Borrison/hk-legicost huggingface dataset:
另外，傳媒揭發會展站出現沉降，有14個監測點沉降超標，最嚴重的地面監測點在2015年已經超標，累積錄得83毫米沉降，較25毫米的警報水平超標2.3倍，而港鐵公司和承建商均沒有按指引停工檢討。
Moreover it was exposed by the media that settlement had also occurred at Exhibition Centre Station with readings exceeding the trigger level at 14 monitoring points and that the ground surface monitoring point with the most serious settlement reading was already found to have excessive settlement in 2015 with accumulated settlement of 83 mm which is 2.3 times higher than the alarm level of 25 mm . But MTRCL and the contractor did not suspend the works to conduct a review as required by the guidelines
問題正正是這些拖延和隱瞞，本來如果早一點把問題說出來，大家還可能會有一點信心，但到了這樣的階段，絕對不可以說："我是工程師，你們要相信我出來說的話"。
The problem precisely lies in all the stalling and cover - ups . If they could make known these problems earlier the public might probably still have some confidence but when things have come to this pass it is absolutely unacceptable to say I am an engineer so you have to believe what I said
市民的信心已經盡失，這樣並不能解決問題。
The public have lost their confidence completely and this is not going to solve the problem
政府的獨立調查委員會只調查紅磡站剪鋼筋造假的問題，明顯並不足夠。
The Governments Commission only probes into the fraudulent practice of the cutting of reinforcement steel bars at the Hung Hom Station which is obviously inadequate
這次我們要求引用《條例》調查全部8個車站及關注沉降的問題，可以讓市民真正了解政府和港鐵公司有否蓄意隱瞞，這是有必要的，而且非常重要。
In proposing this motion we demand invocation of PP Ordinance to inquire into all the eight stations while expressing concern over the settlement problem so as to enable the public to truly find out whether the Government and MTRCL had deliberately concealed the problem . This is necessary and crucially important
如果不是一次過調查的話，永遠不能夠挽回市民對沙中線的信心，即使建成我也不知應否踏足那月台，而這條路線的完工時間，即可供市民使用的時間，只會更加延後。
Without an investigation into all the stations in one go public confidence in SCL can never be restored . Even when the construction of SCL is completed I would not know whether I should set foot on that platform and the completion of SCL for use by the public would only be delayed further
如果不讓我們早日正式開始調查，竣工的時間，即可供市民使用的時間，一定會再拖延下去，這一點是我們很想趁這個機會扭轉的。
If we are not allowed to formally start an investigation early the completion of SCL or the date it can be made available for public use will definitely be delayed continual . This is what we very much wish to avert with this opportunity given to us here
然後，建制派同事會說，工程確是有問題，但沒有必要引用《條例》來調查。
Then Honourable colleagues in the pro - establishment camp said that while there are indeed problems with the construction works it is not necessary to invoke PP Ordinance to conduct an investigation
客觀結果是，他們其實不是在保護政府，也不是保護港鐵，而是害了市民，因為明明有問題也不作出調查。
The objective outcome is that they are not shielding the Government nor are they shielding MTRCL but they are doing a disservice to the public in rejecting an investigation when it cannot be clearer that problems do exist
我剛才聽到有議員一直說應交由獨立調查委員會調查，立法會不是適當場合，又說這些事情十分技術性，議員不會明白。
Earlier on I heard some Members keep suggesting that the Commission should be tasked to conduct an investigation that the Legislative Council is not an appropriate avenue for it and that these are very technical matters that Members may not comprehend
但是，調查工程項目，立法會並非沒有先例，立法會是做得到的。
However it is not at all unprecedented for the Legislative Council to investigate works projects and the Legislative Council is capable of doing it
上一屆我們曾調查廣深港高速鐵路超支，雖然當時沒有《條例》賦予的權力，但我認為可以找出部分真相。
During the last term we conducted an inquiry into the cost overrun incurred by the Guangzhou - Shenzhen - Hong Kong Express Rail Link XRL . Even though we did not have the powers conferred by PP Ordinance I think we were able to find out part of the truth
可惜的是當時我們不能傳召所有證人到來，包括港鐵公司高層。
It was regrettable that we could not summon all the witnesses including the senior management of MTRCL to come before us
可是，我不認為當時由於我們不是工程師除了一兩位工程界代表或其他少數議員外我們便做不了甚麼。
But I do not think that we could not do much because we are not engineers except for one or two representatives of the engineering sector or a few other Members
港鐵公司在監察工程方面出現甚麼問題？
What problems are there in the supervision of works by MTRCL?
全部問題都是靠傳媒揭發，或者有人"爆料"，而港鐵公司的承建商一直"擠牙膏"式地回應。
All the problems were exposed by the media or by whistle - blowers whereas the contractor of MTRCL has responded like they are squeezing toothpaste out of a tube
市民不滿意，我們在本會替他們採取行動，又遭到阻撓，試問政府和港鐵公司這樣的態度，如何令市民重拾信心呢？
Members of the public are dissatisfied and when we in this Council try to take actions on their behalf we are barred from doing so . When the Government and MTRCL take such an attitude how can public confidence be restored?
工程質量如何可以有保證？
How can there be assurances for the quality of works?
這些同類事故近年在香港不斷出現，十居其十也不是需要具備專業資格才知道真相。
Similar incidents have never ceased to occur in Hong Kong in recent years . In all of these cases one does not need any professional qualification to find out the truth
出現這些事故，我不敢說十居其十，但十居其九都是因管理不善所致。
Regarding the occurrence of these incidents I venture to say that 90 % if not all of these cases were caused by poor management
所以，獨立調查委員會也不是全部由工程師組成，成員也包括法官，跟立法會的做法沒有分別。
Therefore not even the Commission is fully made up of engineers as its members also include a Judge which is no different from the practice adopted by the Legislative Council
所以，大家千萬不要以此為理由，說立法會不是適當的場合，我們沒有這種能力。
Therefore Members must not conclude on this ground that the Legislative Council is unsuitable for and incapable of conducting an investigation
但是，事實上，客觀來看，引用《條例》成立專責委員會進行調查，我們才有權力傳召任何人到來作供，出示相關文件，被傳召的人便不能像上一屆調查高鐵事件時被傳召的人般拒絕出席會議，他是一定要來的。
Having said that the fact is that from an objective point of view it is only through invoking PP Ordinance to set up a select committee to conduct an investigation that we will have the powers to summon any person to come before us to give evidence and produce the relevant documents and people thus summoned cannot refuse to attend our meetings and must come before us unlike those people summoned for the inquiry into the incident concerning XRL in the last term
這正正是香港過去一直在法制下作出的適當權力分配，也是令議會可有效監察政府的一個工具。
This is precisely an appropriate distribution of powers under the legal system which has long been practised in Hong Kong and a tool for this Council to effectively monitor the Government
這數年來，我看到這種情況延續下去，感到非常痛心。
Over the past few years I have seen this situation continue and this I think is deeply saddening
這議案我們已提出4次，如果今天這議案不獲通過相信也不會獲得通過我不能保證我們會不會再嘗試第五次、第六次、第七次。
We have proposed this motion four times and if it should be negatived today―I think it is going to be negatived―I cannot say for sure whether we will continue to make a fifth sixth or seventh attempt
但是，我想告訴所有市民，我們一定會盡力找出真相，不是"盡我的力找出真相，但是我否決你"。
But I wish to tell all members of the public that we will definitely do everything we can to find out the truth not doing everything I can to find out the truth but I will vote against your proposal
我們一定會盡所有力量真真正正地找出真相，不會放過政府和港鐵公司。
We will definitely make the utmost effort to really uncover the truth . We will not go easy on the Government and MTRCL
主席，沙田至中環線的問題可以說是一波未平一波又起。
President with regard to the Shatin to Central Link SCL it can be said that while a problem has yet been settled another is poised to arise
還記得在暑假前，我們曾要求就香港鐵路有限公司沙中線紅磡月台發生鋼筋和螺絲頭被剪斷的問題成立專責委員會進行調查。
I still recall that before the Summer recess we called for the setting up of a select committee to investigate the problem of reinforcement steel bars and couplers being cut at the platform of Hung Hom Station of SCL of the MTR Corporation Limited MTRCL
近日又再爆出紅磡站工程導致嚴重沉降事件，凡此種種均是觸目驚心，猶如連續劇一樣，又好像是恐怖片、驚慄片，而最恐怖的不單是港鐵公司、承建商和政府，還有這個立法會，你們還好意思指我們多次提出引用《立法會條例》成立專責委員會，這正正是因為每次你們都反對，才令問題越滾越大、越揭越多。
Coupled with the recent exposure of serious settlement caused by the construction works of the Hung Hom Station all of these incidents are so startling that they can be likened to a drama series or to a horror or thriller movie . What have been most terrifying are not only MTRCL the contractor and the Government but also this Legislative Council and you people are even so shameless as to accuse us of repeatedly proposing invoking the Legislative Council Ordinance to set up a select committee . It is precisely because of your opposition whenever this proposal was made that the ills have snowballed and proliferated
政府有沒有隱瞞相關的問題？
Did the Government cover up these problems?
工程監管制度有沒有出現問題，令港鐵公司可以隱瞞相關的工程問題？
Is there any problem in the monitoring system of the construction works which made it possible for MTRCL to cover up the relevant works problems?
當提到港鐵公司和政府監管不力，建制派很多議員會"收聲"，有些會作出指責，但罵完又如何呢？
When it comes to ineffective monitoring by MTRCL and the Government many pro - establishment Members would shut up; some would make criticisms but after making them what then?
然後得出的結論是不應由立法會介入，應該由政府進行獨立調查。
Then they came to the conclusion that intervention by the Legislative Council was unnecessary and that an investigation should be carried out by the Government independently
其實，今天的議案便是討論應否在政府成立獨立調查委員會調查紅磡站工程問題的同時，再由立法會成立專責委員會調查承建商，範圍包括擅改圖則，以及在多個沙中線車站出現沉降的問題。
In fact the purpose of this motion today is to discuss whether the Legislative Council should in tandem with the investigation into the problems of the construction works of Hung Hom Station by the independent Commission of Inquiry established by the Government set up a select committee to investigate the contractor with the scope of investigation covering the alteration of the drawings without permission as well as the occurrence of settlement at a number of SCL stations
我會解釋為何支持這兩項議案。
I will explain why I support these two motions
第一，現在由政府的獨立調查委員會進行的調查，並不包括林卓廷議員和毛孟靜議員要求的調查範圍。
First the investigation currently conducted by the Commission of the Government does not include the areas of investigation proposed by Mr LAM Cheuk - ting and Ms Claudia MO
第二，調查沉降原因和責任是急市民所急。
Second the conduct of an investigation into the reasons and responsibilities for settlement is to sense the urgency of the public
第三，政府和港鐵公司高層未必會嚴肅跟進，但由立法會進行調查，我認為更為客觀。
Third the Government and the senior management of MTRCL may not follow up these incidents seriously whereas the conduct of an investigation by the Legislative Council is I think more objective
第四，政府現在的獨立調查委員會某程度上只是政府的"遮醜布"，由立法會專責委員會進行調查反而會施加更大壓力，促使政府立即回應沙中線各方面的問題。
Fourth the Commission is to a certain extent no more than a fig leave for the Government whereas an investigation by a select committee of the Legislative Council can exert greater pressure on the Government urging it to immediately respond to the various problems concerning SCL
最後，我相信市民向立法會專責委員會"爆料"不會有所憂慮。
Lastly I believe the public would have no worries when disclosing information to a select committee of the Legislative Council
政府的獨立調查委員會只會調查紅磡站的工程問題，但過去幾個月，首先揭發土瓜灣站附近多個觀測點長期以來出現不尋常的大幅度沉降，已經嚴重影響大廈結構。
The Commission will only investigate problems relating to the construction works of the Hung Hom Station . But during the past several months it was first exposed that unusual excessive settlement had occurred persistently at a number of monitoring points in the vicinity of the To Kwa Wan Station which has seriously affected the structure of the buildings
其後再揭發會展站沉降嚴重超標，這些沉降的問題背後亦存在不少問題。
Subsequently it was further exposed that settlement at Exhibition Centre Station had far exceeded the limit . These occurrences of settlement have pointed to many underlying problems
為何會出現沉降的問題？
Why would settlement take place?
港鐵公司何時知道？
When did MTRCL learn of it?
政府何時知道？
When did the Government learn of it?
港鐵公司和政府有沒有刻意隱瞞沉降 情況？
Did MTRCL and the Government deliberately cover up the situation of settlement?
誰要為沉降負責？
Who should be held responsible for these occurrences of settlement?
這些問題非常重要。
These questions are most important
但是，政府成立的獨立調查委員會並不會處理這些問題，因為這個委員會的權限只限於紅磡站的工程問題，而普通人甚至傳媒也不能深入作出調查。
But the Commission established by the Government will not deal with these questions for its terms of reference is only confined to problems with the construction works of the Hung Hom Station while members of the ordinary public or even the media cannot carry out any in - depth investigation
政府和港鐵公司過去幾個月也沒有開誠布公向公眾坦白地交代他們所知的一切，公眾實在很難令政府官員和港鐵公司高層回答問題，議會也不能做到。
Over the past few months neither the Government nor MTRCL has clearly given an account of everything they know to the public honestly . It is indeed difficult for the public to make government officials and MTRCLs senior management answer questions; nor can this Council do so
既然政府的獨立調查委員會不能調查沉降事件，公眾不能夠直接向政府和港鐵公司尋求沉降原因，調查沉降問題的最好方法便是由立法會進行調查，由立法會成立專責委員會傳召官員和港鐵公司高層，解答大家有關沉降的問題。
Since the Commission cannot investigate the settlement incidents nor can the public find out the reasons for settlement from the Government and MTRCL direct the best way to probe into the settlement problem is for the Legislative Council to carry out an investigation whereby the select committee will summon officials and the senior management of MTRCL to answer Members questions on the settlement
當市民要求賠償時剛才區諾軒議員也點出這問題，但未有深入分析港鐵公司便會找一些最不公正的公證行來評估責任問題，而在絕大部分的情況下，公證行都會說即使建築物真的受損，即使農地的地下水流失，導致魚塘全部乾涸、農地也全部乾涸，即使這些都是事實，但結論是甚麼？
When the public demanded compensation―Just now Mr AU Nok - hin also highlighted this point but did not analyse it in depth―MTRCL would engage some most partial notaries to assess the liabilities . In the vast majority of cases despite actual damages caused to the structures or despite the loss of groundwater underneath the agricultural land thus causing the ponds and farmland to completely dry up and despite that these are facts what conclusions were drawn by these notaries?
在絕大部分情況下，受影響的居民也不能夠得到合理的賠償，甚至在責任上，一句"對不起"也不用說。
In the vast majority of cases the affected residents could not obtain reasonable compensation and worse still from the perspective of responsibility no apology was ever tendered
就現時土瓜灣站的沉降事件來說，如果繼續由港鐵公司交給它一向聘用的公證行調查，我也可以想得到結論是甚麼，不就是像以前一樣，第一是工程沒有對建築物構成明顯的影響。
Regarding the incident of settlement in To Kwa Wan if the investigation should continue to be carried out by these notaries consistently hired by MTRCL I could conjecture what the conclusion would be . It would be the same as those made previously . First the construction works would be said to have caused no obvious impact on the structures despite that cracks appeared on the structures and that the groundwater underneath the agricultural land had all dried up
建築物即使有裂縫，農地的地下水即使全部乾涸也與工程無關。
All these would be said to be unrelated to the construction works
事實上，那些一貫由港鐵公司聘用的公證行，生意長做長有，當然不敢得罪港鐵公司，所以甚少見到它們作出對港鐵公司不利的結論。
In fact to those notaries long engaged by MTRCL for the sake of continuous business opportunities they certainly dare not offend MTRCL and therefore seldom had they come to conclusions that were unfavourable to MTRCL
居民如果自行找人進行研究，港鐵公司也不會接受這是公正的做法，認為會偏幫居民。
If the residents engage other people on their own to look into their cases MTRCL would not consider it a fair practice that is not biased in favour of the residents
如果訴諸法律程序，訴訟費又非常高昂，一旦敗訴，便會血本無歸，雙重損失。
If the residents resort to legal proceedings the litigation costs would be exorbitant and in case the Court ruled not in their favour they would lose their hard - earned money and suffer double losses
我希望通過立法會成立專責委員會，運用立法會的權力傳召政府和港鐵公司高層來立法會解答沉降的責任問題，迫使港鐵公司公開相 關資料，我希望可以從這些資料中抽絲剝繭，找出在受影響的建築物，特別是市民正在居住的建築物、市民擁有的資產和物業，出現裂痕和沉降與港鐵公司工程有何關係，以釐清港鐵公司和政府在沉降事件上的責任。
I hope that through a select committee set up by the Legislative Council we can exercise the powers of the Legislative Council to summon the senior personnel of the Hong Kong Government and MTRCL before the Legislative Council to answer questions on the responsibility for ground settlement pressing MTRCL to make public the relevant information . I hope that through analysing and examining the information we can find out how the construction works of MTRCL are related to the occurrence of cracks and settlement in the affected buildings especially those inhabited by members of the public or those that are assets and properties owned by the public in order to ascertain the responsibility of MTRCL and the Government for these settlement incidents
如果港鐵公司在施工期間有失誤，造成不尋常的沉降，便應該認錯和賠償，應該釐清港鐵公司工程導致的沉降情況與大廈結構受損的關係，以及釐清港鐵公司在土瓜灣站工地沉降中的責任，而我並不排除在未來日子，議員也要協助居民進一步索償。
If MTRCL had committed mistakes in the course of the construction works which hence caused unusual settlement it should tender an apology and make compensation . It is necessary to clarify the relation between ground settlement caused by the construction works of MTRCL and the structural damages of the buildings and it is also necessary to ascertain the responsibility of MTRCL for the settlement that occurred on the construction site of the To Kwa Wan Station . I do not rule out the possibility of Members having to assist the residents in seeking compensations in future
在揭發多個車站範圍出現沉降後，有人提醒我，地方居民不單要求揭發事情，而是要求解決問題。
After these settlement cases at a number of stations were exposed I was reminded that the local residents demanded not only the disclosure of these incidents but also a solution to the problem
現在居民最想解決的問題是他們遭受損失的責任誰屬。
The question that the residents most wish to resolve now is who should be held responsible for their losses
所以，今天建制派議員反對成立專責委員會，居民唯有依靠過去他們覺得不太公義、不太值得相信，由港鐵公司自己控制的機制來追究港鐵公司的責任。
Therefore when the pro - establishment Members oppose the setting up of a select committee today the residents can only rely on the mechanism which is not at all fair and not too trustworthy one which is controlled by MTRCL to pursue the responsibility of MTRCL
如果今天大家一起支持成立專責委員會，攜手採用一個令居民更有信心的方法，以我們的權力找出沉降的責任，不論最後結果如何，我們也讓香港市民看到我們已經盡力，不是袖手旁觀，不是說有人做，便信他會做，然後我們便"翹埋雙手"等別人來做。
But if today Members can support the establishment of a select committee and work in concert to adopt an approach that can inspire greater confidence in the residents and exercise our powers to ascertain the responsibilities for these cases of settlement irrespective of the final outcome we would be showing the people of Hong Kong that we have done our utmost rather than acting as onlookers or simply believing other people will carry out an investigation as they claimed and then with our arms folded waiting for other people to do it
究竟香港政府會否嚴肅跟進今次沙中線的整個事件？
Will the Hong Kong Government seriously follow up the entire case of SCL?
其實，除了有關沉降的事宜，林卓廷議員的議案亦涉及調查承建商和港鐵公司擅改圖則的事宜。
In fact apart from matters relating to settlement Mr LAM Cheuk - tings motion also covers investigation into matters relating to the alteration of drawings by the contractor and MTRCL without permission
擅改圖則包括擅改月台設計及擅改連續牆設計，都是非常駭人聽聞。
The unauthorized alteration of drawings includes alteration of the design of the platform without permission and alteration of the design of the diaphragm wall without permission which are all horrifying
擅改圖則不單涉及未經屋宇署批准而更改圖則，不少市民更懷疑承建商是基於偷工減料而擅改圖則。
The alteration of the drawings involves not only alterations without the permission of the Buildings Department BD . Quite a lot of members of the public even suspected that the contractor had altered the drawings for the purpose of jerry - building
不少人曾向我說，如果新圖則真的如港鐵公司所說般較以前的好，為何不依從正式手續向屋宇署申請改動圖則而要隱瞞呢？
Quite a large number of people have said to me that if the new drawings are truly better than the old ones as claimed by MTRCL why did it not follow the formal procedures to apply to BD for alteration of the drawings but had to cover it up?
是否一早已偷工減料，然後以更改圖則來合理化偷工減料的做法？
Is it that jerry - building practices had long been at work and so the drawings were altered in order to rationalize these practices?
甚至可能是承建商在港鐵公司知情的情況下偷工減料，然後以不實的圖則掩蓋問題。
Worse still it could be possible that these jerry - building practices were adopted by the contractor with MTRCLs knowledge of them and these untrue drawings were then used to conceal the problem
儘管涉及修改圖則問題性質嚴重，承建商的工程亦存在很多粗疏之處，政府和港鐵公司是否有動機嚴肅跟進，仍然存在疑問。
Even though the alteration of drawings is a serious problem and we have seen sloppiness on the part of the contractor in many aspects of the construction works whether the Government and MTRCL have the motive to follow up on these problems seriously is still questionable
事實上，根據最近的報道，港鐵公司很早已經知道承建商削減連續牆的鋼筋數目，但港鐵公司只需承建商證明該等結構沒有即時危險便算，可見港鐵公司以得過且過的態度處理承建商的錯失。
In fact according to recent reports MTRCL had long since known that the contractor had reduced the number of reinforcement steel bars of the diaphragm wall but MTRCL only required the contractor to prove that the structure would pose no immediate danger and took no further action . This shows that MTRCL was just muddling along in dealing with the contractors mistakes
有報道亦指出，雖然禮頓沒有正式向港鐵公司提出修改設計便擅改紅磡站地基設計，但屋宇署只將事件定性為承建商與港鐵公司工程團隊的溝通失 誤，並表示經評估後，有關情況不會對紅磡站構成即時安全影響，因此沒有作出追究。
It is also reported that although Leighton had altered the foundation design of Hung Hom Station without formally proposing the alteration of design to MTRCL BD merely regarded this incident as a problem of communication between the contractor and the engineering team of MTRCL adding that after making an assessment the relevant situation was considered to pose no immediate danger to the Hung Hom Station and therefore no follow - up action was taken
即使假設不會構成即時影響，但車站對市民的影響並非即時，車站將會使用很多年，10年或10多年後，會否因為這些偷工減料和擅改圖則的情況而出現問題？
Even if I assume there would be no immediate danger the effects of the station on the public do not appear instantly for the station will be in use for many years . After a decade or more than a decade will problems arise from these shoddy works and unauthorized alteration of drawings?
所以，上一次令我最生氣的是，局長說如果我們要調查這麼多事情便會影響通車、影響工程，我問局長，究竟人命較重要或工程較重要？
Therefore it was most infuriating that the Secretary said on a previous occasion that if we would investigate into so many incidents the commissioning of SCL and the construction works would be affected . Then I asked the Secretary Which is more important human lives or construction works?
最後，大家看到一直以來仍有人出來"爆料"，他們為何不向政府的獨立調查委員會"爆料"，而是要向記者和議員"爆料"？
Lastly we have seen people still coming forth to blow the whistle . Why did these whistle - blowers disclose information not to the Commission but only to reporters and Members?
這項辯論相當重要，雖然很多同事特別是親中派同事或會認為這是一場鬧劇，但我知道很多市民、外國機構及傳媒組織很關心，立法會在馬凱事件上有甚麼意見。
This debate is really important . Although many colleagues especially pro - China colleagues may think that this is a farce I know that many people foreign institutions and media organizations are very concerned about the views of the Legislative Council on the Victor MALLET incident
親中派提出數個主要觀點：第一，慣例是不用公開解釋為何要趕走某些人，拒絕他們入境；第二，慣例是趕走某些人時，通常會引述外國例子，說明趕走他們沒有問題；及第三，有同事提到，雖然特區政府沒有解釋為何變相趕走馬凱，我知道原因是馬凱和香港外國記者會踩到紅線。
The pro - China camp raised a few main points . First the practice is not to publicly explain why some people are expelled and refused entry; second the practice is to cite some foreign examples when expelling some people so to illustrate that expulsion is not a problem; and third some colleagues mentioned that though the SAR Government has not explained why Victor MALLET was expelled in disguise the reason is that Victor MALLET and the Foreign Correspondents Club Hong Kong FCC has overstepped the red line
如果不給他一點顏色看看，北京顏面何存？
If he is not taught a lesson how can Beijing save its face?
很多同事已論述這點，早前香港大律師公會主席戴啟思亦曾指出，既然當事人可以上訴，為何不向他提供理由？
Many colleagues have already discussed this point . Philip DYKES Chairman of the Hong Kong Bar Association has also queried why the reason was not provided given that the person in question could appeal
就申請牌照或其他事宜而言，如果有上訴機制，為何不向當事人提供理由呢？
In respect of licence applications or other matters if there is an appeal mechanism why not informed the parties concerned of the reasons?
第二個理由是事件涉及主權問題，所以我們有權趕走某人。
The second reason is that the incident has something to do with sovereignty so we have the right to expel someone
難道一名記者在土耳其沙特阿拉伯領事館被殺，你便認為他們有理由這樣做？
Do Honourable colleagues think that there are justifications for killing a journalist inside the Saudi consulate in Turkey?
我們心中要有一把尺。
There should be a yardstick in everyones mind
很多人取笑香港民族黨為"二人黨"、少年十字軍等，為何要無故禁制香港民族黨在香港的存在？
Many people mocked HKNP as a two - person party and Childrens Crusade etc . Why should HKNP be banned in Hong Kong for no reason?
讓我們看看美國、英國及日本的例子，日本嘉利吉俱樂部主張琉球獨立，該俱樂部有派人參選。
Let us look at the examples in the United States the United Kingdom and Japan . In Japan the Kariyushi Club advocates the independence of Ryukyu and some members of the Club stood for election
今次事件涉及兩套截然不同的價值觀的衝突。
This incident involves the conflict between two sets of very different values
第一套價值觀是"紅線論"，中共認為事件挑戰了它的權威，也挑戰了它的紅線，所以要把所有直接或間接踩到紅線的人徹底趕盡殺絕。
The first set of values is the red line theory . The Communist Party of China CPC considers that the incident has challenged its authority and its red line therefore all those who have directly or indirectly overstepped the red line should be eradicated