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根據《議事規則》第452條，"如議員行為極不檢點，立法會主席、全體委員會主席或任何委員會主席即須命令 其立即退席，不得繼續參與立法會或委員會的該次會議"，我讀出這項條文的原因是，其實每星期也可以發生議員行為極不檢點的事件，每個被主席趕走的人均是行為極不檢點。
According to RoP 452 The President the Chairman of a committee of the whole Council or the chairman of any committee shall order a Member whose conduct is grossly disorderly to withdraw immediately from the Council or the committee for the remainder of that meeting . The reason why I read out this rule is that grossly disorderly conduct of Members may actually take place every week . Everyone ordered by the President to leave had grossly disorderly conduct
如果根據這定義，每位議員被趕走後，其他人也可以啟動程序，引用《議事規則》第49B條，再引申至《基本法》第七十九條第七項，然後再進行一次這程序，那會否沒完沒了呢？
Following this definition every time after a Member is ordered to leave the other people may initiate the procedure . They may invoke RoP 49B1A extend it to Article 797 of the Basic Law and then conduct this procedure again . Will it ever end?
多位議員支持把事情交付調查委員會，但很多議員的發言卻顯示他們不知道委員會的權限為何，例如李慧琼議員。
Various Members support referring the matter to an investigation committee but the speeches delivered by many of them have shown that they do not know the terms of reference of the committee . An example is Ms Starry LEE
這個調查委員會應負責調查10月19日的事件......
This investigation committee should be responsible for investigating the incident on 19 October Actually I have no idea how the investigation should be carried out
10月12日宣誓當天，我看不到建制派豎立國旗以突顯"對擁護《基本法》及效忠中華人民共和國香港特別行政區的莊嚴意義及承諾"。
On the day of oath - taking on 12 October I did not see the pro - establishment camp hoist any national flag to highlight the solemnity and pledge [of taking oath] to uphold the Basic Law and swear allegiance to the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region of the Peoples Republic of China
10月19日，他們計劃不讓梁頌恆及游蕙禎宣誓，既然計劃不讓他們宣誓，又如何突顯這一點？
They had planned not to let Sixtus LEUNG and YAU Wai - ching to take their oaths on 19 October . Since they had planned not to let them take the oaths how could they highlight this point?
老實說，他們說自己這麼愛國和尊重國旗，便應該"做戲做全套"，同時擺放旗架，將旗子插在旗架上，而不是隨便使用杯座。
Frankly if they are so patriotic and have so much respect for the national flag as they said they should carry through the whole show . They should have arranged the flags together with flag stands rather than casually using some glass holders
把國旗插在杯座上，我覺得是非常不尊重的做法。
I consider inserting national flags into glass holders as greatly disrespectful
此外，我想回應蔣麗芸議員一個很嚴肅的問題，因為蔣麗芸議員說我包庇、袒護同路人。
Moreover I would like to respond to a serious question from Dr CHIANG Lai - wan since she said I was harbouring and shielding my comrade
我要清楚告訴蔣議員，絕對不是因為鄭松泰議員是我的同路人，我才提出今天這議案。
I need to make it clear to Dr CHIANG that it is absolutely not because Dr CHENG Chung - tai is my comrade that I have proposed this motion today
我相信鄭松泰議員和他的所屬組織熱血公民，都不會把我和我的所屬組織人民力量視作同路人。
I believe Dr CHENG Chung - tai and the Civic Passion the organization to which he belongs will not regard me and the People Power to which I belong as their comrades
不同的人可以有不同的演繹。
Different people may have different interpretations
至於行為幼稚和不尊重同事，我不評論這些，但即使他真是這樣，即使他真的污衊了建制派議員，那又如何？
As regards the question of childish behaviour and disrespect for Honourable colleagues I will not comment on such things . But even if that is really the case with him and he has really besmirched Members of the pro - establishment camp so what?
還有一點是有關蔣麗芸議員的，我差點忘了說，她說甚麼國旗反映數千年歷史文化蘊藏於此，其後立即被人質疑，中華人民共和國的國旗何來數千年歷史文化？
I have almost forgotten to talk about it . She said something like the national flag reflecting an embedded history and culture of thousands of years which was immediately challenged afterwards . How will the national flag of the Peoples Republic of China have a history and culture of thousands of years?
所以，希望議員支持我提出的議案，"不得就謝偉俊議員動議的譴責議案再採取任何行動"。
Hence I hope Members will support the motion That no further action shall be taken on the censure motion moved by Mr Paul TSE proposed by me
主席，我認為要討論這項議案，本身已經是一件令人遺憾的事情。
President I think it is already regrettable that we have to discuss this very motion
擁護《基本法》、效忠中華人民共和國香港特別行政區、遵守法律，是議員作出的莊嚴誓言，亦是理所當然的事。
To uphold the Basic Law bear allegiance to the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region HKSAR of the Peoples Republic of China and act in full accordance with the law are the solemn oath taken by Members and also the way in which we should most naturally conduct ourselves
作為立法會議員，卻故意做出侮辱國旗、區旗的行為，令社會譁然，周圍的朋友都忍不住說十分離譜，希望社會各界能夠譴責這些行為。
That a Member of the Legislative Council did deliberate acts to desecrate the national flag and the regional flag has provoked a public outcry . People around me could not help stating that it was totally outrageous and they hope that all sectors of the community can condemn these acts
主席，我們首先要明白立法會是一個甚麼地方，我們有甚麼的身份。
President first of all we must understand what kind of a venue the Legislative Council is and what status we have
香港特別行政區是根據《中華人民共和國憲法》第三十一條，由全國人民代表大會成立，而香港特區的制度是根據全國人大通過的《中華人民共和國香港特別行政區基本法》來規定，由中華人民共和國主席頒布命令實施的。
The HKSAR was established by the National Peoples Congress NPC in accordance with Article 31 of the Constitution of the Peoples Republic of China and the systems of HKSAR are prescribed by the Basic Law of the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region of the Peoples Republic of China adopted by NPC and promulgated for implementation by a decree of the President of the Peoples Republic of China
香港是一個地方行政區，直轄於中央人民政府。
Hong Kong is a local administrative region that comes directly under the Central Peoples Government
《基本法》規定，立法會是香港特區的立法機構，享有立法權，亦授權立法會議員履行指定的職權。
The Basic Law provides that the Legislative Council shall be the legislature of HKSAR and has the power to enact laws . It also empowers Members of the Legislative Council to perform specified powers and functions
立法會制定的法律，要報全國人民代表大會常務委員會備案。
The laws enacted by the Legislative Council shall be reported to the Standing Committee of NPC for record
這些是我們的制度，亦是讓社會運作的法律基礎，一切都與國家有密切關係，不能夠因為我們享有全國人大授權的"高度自治"，便以為自己可以為所欲為。
These are our systems and the legal basis for society to operate . We have a close relationship with the State in all aspects . We must not think that we can do as we like because we enjoy a high degree of autonomy conferred on us by NPC
因此，我們要認清楚立法會是屬於中華人民共和國的地方，而議員的身份亦建基於國家制定的《基本法》。
Therefore we must be clear that the Legislative Council is a venue that belongs to the Peoples Republic of China and the status of a Member is premised on the Basic Law formulated by the State
每次看着國旗飄揚，想到國家已經一天一天變得強大，的確有一番體會。
Whenever I see the flying of the national flag and think about our country becoming more and more powerful day after day I do have strong feelings welling up in me
主席，我知道有人會對國家的一些政策有意見，又或對國家沒有特別的感情，這是可以理解的。
President I understand that some people may have views on certain national policies or they do not feel anything special about the country and this is understandable
然而，基本的尊重一定要有，即使不是自己的國家，有些人侮辱其他國家的國旗，那個國家的人都會覺得被冒犯及非常憤怒，何況我們是中國人，在自己國家的地方、莊嚴的議會裏，鄭松泰議員居然故意倒轉國旗及區旗，藉此侮辱國家，亦侮辱包括鄭松泰議員自己在內的所有中國人，簡直是令人髮指。
Having said that we must have basic respect for the country . Even if it is not our own national flag and when the national flags of other countries are desecrated their people will likewise feel offended and indignant . This is all the more so when we being Chinese ourselves saw that in a place of our own country and in this solemn Council Dr CHENG Chung - tai had gone so far as to deliberately invert the national flags and regional flags to insult the country and to insult all Chinese people including Dr CHENG Chung - tai himself
我們亦明白，從政者為了帶出自己的意見，可以使用不同的方法，例如"呃like"、"博上鏡"，而有些人新加入議會，由於想"做戲"、想"出位"，便自己想出一些方法，立法會一向也有很多出色的手工藝作品。
This is indeed outrageous . We also understand that politicians may resort to various means to draw peoples attention to their views such as cheating people to get likes from them or exerting themselves to gain exposure in front of camera . In order to put up a show and play to the gallery some new Members of this Council have come up with ways to achieve their purposes just as we always see a lot of brilliant handicraft works in the Legislative Council
然而，鄭松泰議員不應該多次倒轉國旗及區旗，侮辱國家、侮辱所有中國人和香港人。
However Dr CHENG Chung - tai should not have inverted the national flags and regional flags time and again to insult the country and to insult all Chinese people and Hongkongers
再者，這些是屬於其他議員的私人物品，人家放在議事廳，不是讓他隨意走過來搗亂，這些是基本的尊重，甚至可以說，究竟他有沒有家教？
Moreover these are the personal belongings of other Members . They were placed in this Chamber not for him to mess up with wantonly . This is basic respect and to put it bluntly did his parents not teach him good manners?
可以隨意拿起屬於其他人的東西嗎？
Can he take away things that belong to other people as he likes?
鄭議員作為老師，真是學生的壞榜樣。
Dr CHENG being a teacher himself has indeed set a bad example for students
主席，小丑表演，我們可以不理會，但故意侮辱國旗、區旗是絕對不能接受，我認為應對鄭松泰議員當天的行為作出譴責。
President when a clown puts up a performance we can ignore it; but deliberate desecration of the national flag and the regional flag is absolutely unacceptable . I think Dr CHENG Chung - tai should be censured for his behaviour on that day
他提出反對的原因是，譴責議案說鄭松泰議員違反誓言，根據《基本法》第一百零四條，他做得不對，基本上其實是說他不愛國，因為明明 說擁護中華人民共和國香港特別行政區，而他卻倒插國旗，他便是不愛國，便是羞辱國旗，但他真的沒有說甚麼焚燒或玷污，這是沒有關係的。
The reason for him to raise opposition is that according to the censure motion Dr CHENG Chung - tai had breached his oath and under Article 104 of the Basic Law he had done something wrong . This actually boils down to the notion that he is unpatriotic because while he openly swore allegiance to the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region of the Peoples Republic of China he inverted the national flags and this goes to show that he is unpatriotic and that he had humiliated the national flag though he really did not say anything about burning or defiling the national flag so this is not the point at issue . I am still talking about the question of oath
我仍然是在說誓言的問題，很奇怪，如果純粹看誓言的問題，謝偉俊議員，枉你是律師，你令整個立法會的議員自我劃地為奴，自我閹割，以後說甚麼都隨時惹麻煩，隨時被指這句說話不愛國，那句說話違反誓言，又或你這樣說可能羞辱某位頂層的人。
Strangely enough if we purely look at the question of oath I must say that Mr Paul TSE is unbecoming of a lawyer . You made all Members of the Legislative Council impose limits on ourselves and castrate our own functions . Whatever we say in future may invite troubles easily and we may be accused any time of being unpatriotic or of breaching the oath in making a certain remark or we will be told that the remarks made by us may amount to hurling insults at a certain person at the top
我年輕時聽過一個令我深陷腦袋的文革故事，話說某人的家鄉有人在寄信時，將一張印有毛主席毛澤東肖像的郵票倒轉來貼，竟然被人打小報告，真的差點被斬頭，被捉去遊街。
When I was young I once heard a story about the Cultural Revolution which has been etched very deeply in my mind . The story happened in somebodys hometown where a man when posting a letter had glued upside down a stamp with Chairman MAO or MAO Zedongs portrait printed on it . Then someone tattled on him and he almost had his head chopped off and he was paraded through the streets for his wrongdoing
你們會說這人不是故意，可能比較可憐，現在說的人是故意我不知道他故意抑或並非故意但是，那種"文革feel"確實存在，尤其是剛才一開始我聽到蔣麗芸議員的發言，真是令人"打冷顫"，完全是文革那種"紅色娘子軍"的發言，真是很嚇人，動不動便說某位議員違反了《基本法》第一百零四條有關誓言的規定。
You may say that this man did not do that intentionally and probably deserved our sympathy but the person in question was deliberate―I have no idea if he was deliberate or not―however this is indeed reminiscent of the Cultural Revolution especially when I heard Dr CHIANG Lai - wans speech at the outset which really sent chills down my spine . That speech of hers was entirely reminiscent of The Red Detachment of Women during the Cultural Revolution . That was really scary
我剛在兩星期前才問過政制及內地事務局局長譚志源，我問他現在就宣誓事件進行釋法，那麼議員在會議中的法律權利和義務怎辦？
They can so easily accuse a Member of acting in breach of the oath - taking requirements under Article 104 of the Basic Law . Just a fortnight ago I asked the Secretary for Constitutional and Mainland Affairs Raymond TAM what would happen to the lawful rights and obligations of Members in meetings in the light of the interpretation of the Basic Law in relation to the oath - taking controversy
他說釋法完全沒有修改立法原意或內容，更加了一句說議員在立法會發言的法律權利及責任完全不受影響。
He said that the interpretation of the Basic Law has not in the least made any changes to the legislative intent or provisions and he even added that the lawful rights and duties of Members in speaking in the Legislative Council are completely unaffected
所以，我們不要在立法會縱容這樣的行為。
Therefore let us not connive at such behaviour in the Legislative Council
有人很想告訴北京他愛國愛得不得了，而為達致這樣的效果，他便要告訴別人有人不愛國，從而更加鞏固、突出他的愛國。我一直是在說愛國主義這主軸。
somebody is keen to tell Beijing that he is so very patriotic towards the State and to this end he has to tell others that some people are unpatriotic in order to show more resolutely and highlight his love of the country and I have been speaking along the main axle of patriotism
鄭松泰議員的行為未必人人認同，我亦不很清楚他當時想表達甚麼信息，但事實上是讓人有機可乘。
Dr CHENG Chung - tais behaviour may not be agreeable to all and I am not too clear about what message he wished to strike home at the time but the fact is that he has given somebody a handle
然而，不要緊，最重要的是我們要仍然維護一個民選議員的席位。
But never mind and it is most important that we continue to protect the office of an elected Member
你攻擊一位民選議員，企圖褫奪他的席位，你便是在攻擊人民。
When you attack an elected Member trying to disqualify him from office you would be attacking the people
主席，我發言支持陳志全議員提出"不得就謝偉俊議員動議的譴責議案再採取任何行動"的議案。
President I speak in support of Mr CHAN Chi - chuens motion that no further action shall be taken on the censure motion moved by Mr Paul TSE
立法會《議事規則》第49B條就取消議員的資格訂明兩個機制，首先是第49B1條所訂，根據《基本法》第七十九條第六項，對被判犯有刑事罪行，並被判處監禁1個月以上的議員，解除其立法會議員職務。
Rule 49B of the Rules of Procedure RoP of the Legislative Council stipulates two mechanisms for disqualification of Member from office . The first is RoP 49B1 which provides that a Member who was convicted of a criminal offence and sentenced to imprisonment for one month or more shall be relieved of his duties as a Member of the Legislative Council under Article 796 of the Basic Law
這是十分客觀的標準；另一個機制是第49B條所訂，根據《基本法》第七十九條第七項動議譴責議員行為不檢或違反《基本法》第一百零四條所規定的誓言。
This is a very objective standard . Another mechanism is provided for in RoP 49B1A whereby a motion shall be moved under Article 797 of the Basic Law to censure a Member for misbehaviour or breach of oath under Article 104 of the Basic Law
如果鄭松泰議員的行為有刑事成分而被判監禁1個月以上時，這是很客觀的標準，他當然會被我們解除職務。
If Dr CHENG Chung - tais conduct involved elements of criminality and he was sentenced to imprisonment for one month or more this would meet the very objective standard and certainly actions should be taken by us to relieve him of his duties as a Member
如果不引用《基本法》第一百零四條，另一種情況是鄭松泰議員行為不檢，而其行為不檢的程度嚴重至我們要褫奪其議員資格，究竟這做法是否成立呢？
If we do not invoke Article 104 of the Basic Law the other scenario would be misbehaviour on the part of Dr CHENG Chung - tai and such misbehaviour was so serious to the extent that we have to disqualify him from office
當然，我認為鄭松泰議員的行為非常愚蠢、無聊和幼稚，絕對不能接受，但是否因為議員愚蠢、無聊和幼稚的行為而一定要立刻成立一個調查委員會褫奪其資格呢？
But is it justified to take this course of action? . Certainly I consider Dr CHENG Chung - tais behaviour very stupid frivolous childish and absolutely unacceptable . But is it because of the stupid frivolous and childish conduct of a Member that an investigation committee must be set up to disqualify him from office?
法理上，我認為這個論點難以成立，因為立法會《議事規則》第49B條直接引用了《基本法》的憲政權力來取消一位立法會議員一位民選立法會議員的資格，茲事體大，而且也是一個重大的決定。
In terms of jurisprudence I think this argument can hardly hold water because RoP 49B of the Legislative Council directly invokes the constitutional power of the Basic Law to disqualify a Member of the Legislative Council―an elected Member of the Legislative Council―from office . This is a matter of enormous import and decision of great significance
因此，我們應以最嚴格的方式來執行《議事規則》這項條文，亦要以最高規格保障議員的權利，否則這項條文可被人用來進行政治行為或政治迫害，對很多行為和言論也可以上綱上線，從而褫奪一位民選議員的資格。
Therefore we should implement this rule of RoP in a most stringent manner and we should adopt the highest standards for the protection of Members rights . Otherwise this rule may be exploited for political acts or political persecution and in that event many acts and remarks may also be escalated to the political plane in an attempt to disqualify an elected Member from office
謝偉俊議員在議案的附表中指出，"鄭松泰議員在主席宣布點算法定人數及所有民建聯議員不在席時，故意將他們擺放在桌上的國旗及區旗展示品倒轉擺放。
In the schedule to his motion Mr Paul TSE pointed out that when the President directed Members to be summoned for a quorum and all DAB Members were not present Dr Hon CHENG Chung - tai deliberately inverted the mock - ups of the national flags and the regional flags placed on the desks of DAB Members
經蔣麗芸議員發覺，返回會議廳內將國旗及區旗展示品整理並按原來位置及方式擺放後，鄭議員再次故意將國旗及區旗展示品倒轉擺放，終被主席直斥其擅自離席及騷擾其他議員展示物品，行為極不檢點，勒令其立即退席"。
After Dr Hon CHIANG Lai - wan found out what happened and returned to the Chamber to rearrange the mock - ups of the national flags and the regional flags and place them in the same position and manner as before Dr CHENG again deliberately inverted the mock - ups of the national flags and the regional flags . Eventually the President reprimanded him for leaving his seat at will and disturbing other Members displaying objects and ordered him to withdraw immediately from the Council as his conduct was grossly disorderly
如果是嚴重的不檢點行為，必須有行為和意圖，即作出該行為的思想和意識形態。
To prove serious misbehaviour on his part there must be the behaviour and intent or the thinking and ideology contributing to that behaviour
問題是，如果要成立一個委員會調查這位議員的思想和意識形態時採用甚麼標準呢？
The question is if a committee should be set up to investigate the thinking and ideology of this Member what standards will be adopted?
是否用測謊機或一把刀劏開鄭松泰議員的心臟，看看是否存在這種意識形態呢？
Should we use a lie detector or a knife to cut open Dr CHENG Chung - tais heart to see if there is such an ideology?
主席，其實你當日已直斥其擅自離席及騷擾其他議員，亦勒令其立即退席，並根據《議事規則》懲罰了鄭松泰議員。
President on that day you actually already reprimanded him for leaving his seat at will and disturbing other Members and you ordered him to withdraw immediately from the Council so you already punished Dr CHENG Chung - tai in accordance with RoP of this Council
根據本會的《議事規則》，除了勒令議員退席外，另一個極端便是動用《議事規則》第49B條來譴責這位議員，令他喪失議席。
Under RoP of this Council apart from ordering a Member to withdraw from the Council the other extreme is to invoke RoP 49B to censure this Member and disqualify him from office
"第二，適用的處分各有不同，由道歉以至免除權利，罰款、嚴責、譴責、暫停職務"，以至最嚴重的開 除議席。
Each case is judged by the House according to the degree of seriousness involved . Two general features of these cases are firstly that such acts are related invariably to the conduct of MPs in the performance of their duties as Member of the legislature in other words his conduct in the performance of his duties as a Member of the Legislative Council or a Member of Parliament and secondly the sanctions applicable range from apology to denial of right fine reprimand censure suspension of service and in most serious cases expulsion
"主要的考慮因素是有關的不檢行為是否令議院的聲譽嚴重受損，以致構成藐視行為。
The major consideration is whether the misbehaviour has brought about such serious disrepute to the House as to constitute a contempt
此外，該等海外立法機關奉行的指導性原則，是議院應盡量避免行使其懲治管治權，並且只會在信納確有必要為使議院及其議員獲得合理的保障時，該項管轄權方可使用。
It is also noted that these overseas legislatures uphold the guiding principle that the House should exercise its penal jurisdiction as sparingly as possible and only when satisfied that it is essential to do so in order to provide reasonable protection for the House and its Members
"這是1999年本議會的議事規則委員會的報告。
This is the report of the Committee on Rules of Procedure of this Council in 1999
如果套用這個精神，我希望在未有任何《議事規則》可用以懲處一些可能相當愚蠢、無聊，甚至令人反感的行為時，我們不應動輒上綱上線，引用非常嚴厲的《基本法》第七十九條第七項或《議事規則》第49B條褫奪議員的資格。
In line with this spirit I hope that before there is any rule in RoP for punishing behaviour which may be stupid frivolous and even offensive we should not easily escalate them to the political plane and invoke the very harsh Article 797 of the Basic Law or RoP 49B to disqualify a Member from office
看回整件事情的宏觀政治倫理，我們發覺在9月、10月、11月這3個月內，多場政治風波所涉及的議員，客觀地看，除梁國雄議員外，都是一些新加入立法會的議員。
If we look at the macro political ethics of the entire issue we will find that the Members involved in a number of political storms in the three months of September October and November are from an objective point of view all new Members of the Legislative Council except Mr LEUNG Kwok - hung
大家試想想，現時涉及宣誓風波的議員，包括先前的梁頌恆、游蕙禎，以及現在的劉小麗議員、羅冠聰議員及姚松炎議員，均是本屆新加入立法會的議員。
Think about this For Members involved in the oath - taking saga including Sixtus LEUNG and YAU Wai - ching formerly and incumbent Members such as Dr LAU Siu - lai Mr Nathan LAW and Dr YIU Chung - yim they are all new Members who joined the Legislative Council in this term
另一個共通點是他們可能在很多時候都有強烈的本土或自決的政治意識形態。
Another commonality of them is that they may often have a strong political ideological orientation towards localism or self - determination and such being the case the prosecutions instituted against them are no coincidences
其實，看回《國旗及國徽條例》及《區旗及區徽條例》的規定，甚麼行為才算是侮辱國旗呢？
In fact according to the provisions in the National Flag and National Emblem Ordinance and the Regional Flag and Regional Emblem Ordinance what kinds of act will constitute desecration of the national flag?
是任何人公開及故意可能鄭松泰議員公開地做了一些行為，但是否故意呢？
A person who publicly and wilfully―Dr CHENG Chung - tai may have committed some acts publicly but did he do them wilfully?―So what acts have to be done wilfully?
根據有關條文，是焚燒、毀損、塗劃、玷污、踐踏等方式侮辱國旗、國徽、區旗或區徽，即屬違法，可判處監禁刑罰，但有關法例並未將國旗及區旗展示品倒轉擺放列為犯罪行為。
Under the relevant provisions any person who desecrates the national and regional flags or emblems by burning mutilating scrawling on defiling or trampling on them commits an offence and may be liable to imprisonment but inverting the mock - ups of the national flags and the regional flags is not set out as a criminal offence in these ordinances
當然，這是我對這兩項條例的解讀，但是，我覺得我們必須對一個經香港市民選出來的議員作出公平公正的處理。
Certainly this is my own interpretation of the two ordinances but I think we must treat a Member elected by the people of Hong Kong fairly and impartially
如果連律政司也不能夠就鄭松泰議員的行為根據《國旗及國徽條例》或《區旗及區徽條例》作出檢控，立法會反而成立調查委員會，試問我們的法律基礎為何？
If the Legislative Council should set up an investigation committee when not even the Secretary for Justice can institute prosecution against Dr CHENG Chung - tais conduct under the National Flag and National Emblem Ordinance and the Regional Flag and Regional Emblem Ordinance tell me what legal basis is there for us to do so?
我們以甚麼法律基礎確定這位議員的行為極度不當，以致影響整個立法會的形象呢？
On what legal basis can we establish that the conduct of this Member was grossly disorderly to the extent of prejudicing the image of the entire Legislative Council?
當然，我聽到很多建制派的議員，尤其是梁美芬議員說她對國旗有深厚的感情，我們國家的國旗代表了我們經受列強欺凌後，終於成為一個獨立自主的國家。
Of course I have heard the remarks made by many pro - establishment Members particularly Dr Priscilla LEUNG who said that she has deep feelings towards the national flag and that our national flag represents the development of our country into an independent autonomous nation ultimately after being bullied by the great powers
這些當然是感情上的感覺，但這種感情上的 感覺絕不能成為褫奪議員資格的法理基礎。
These feelings are of course sentimental and absolutely cannot provide a legal basis for disqualifying a Member from office
這不是政治審判，又是甚麼？
What is it if it is not a political trial?
所以，主席，我支持陳志全議員的議案。
Therefore President I support Mr CHAN Chi - chuens motion
主席，在我開始發言前，我看到我的同事劉國勳議員已將剛才泛民議員包括尹兆堅議員口中珍而重之的國旗全部妥為存放，並非如你們所說般沒有妥善處理。
President before making further remarks I must say I saw that all the national flags which Members from the pan - democratic camp including Mr Andrew WAN said just now that they highly treasured were kept well by my Honourable colleague Mr LAU Kwok - fan . We have not handled them improperly as claimed by you people
主席，陳志全議員今天提出的這項議案要求不要對鄭松泰議員當天的行為採取任何行動。
President this motion proposed by Mr CHAN Chi - chuen today requires that no action shall be taken against the acts of Dr CHENG Chung - tai that day
簡單來說，我認為這項議案根本顛倒是非黑白，其實又在包庇鄭松泰議員。
In gist I consider that this motion has simply confounded right and wrong actually also serving to harbour Dr CHENG Chung - tai
如果我打你一記耳光，然後跟你說其實我想透過打你一記耳光侮辱你的父親，所以你不要向我追究，主席，這又說得過去嗎？
If I slap you and tell you not to hold me responsible as I actually mean to insult your father by slapping you President does it hold water?
主席，如果這個議會繼續姑息養奸，只會繼續沉淪，絕對不會如陳志全議員所說般當作沒事發生過，便會重回正軌。
President this Council will only continue to degenerate if it continues to connive at the wicked and let them run rampant . It will absolutely not get back onto the right track if we act as if nothing has happened as suggested by Mr CHAN Chi - chuen