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代理主席，我們面對着這些謊言、威權、不尊重年青人意見的情況，這邊廂說要與民共議，另一邊廂卻自把自為。
Deputy President what we see now are all these lies all this authoritarianism and all this disrespect for young people . On the one hand the Government talks about public engagement but on the other it proceeds with things without listening to others
在這種霸道之下，我真的找不到理由不支持毛孟靜議員的中止待續議案。
Oppressed by such hegemonic rule I simply cannot see why I should not support Ms Claudia MOs adjournment motion
我再次重申，我支持毛孟靜議員根據《議事規則》第401條動議"現即將有關推展廣深港高速鐵路西九龍站'一地兩檢'安排的後續工作的議案的辯論中止待續"的議案，我對此表示支持。
I reiterate that I support the motion moved by Ms Claudia MO under Rule 401 of the Rules of Procedure that the debate on the motion on taking forward the follow - up tasks of the co - location arrangement at the West Kowloon Station of the Guangzhou - Shenzhen - Hong Kong Express Rail Link be now adjourned . I am in support of the adjournment motion
第一，因為朱凱廸議員雖然很辛苦、勉強地用盡其15分鐘發言時間，但我完全聽不到一個合理的理由，論據也顯得非常單薄無力。
Firstly although Mr CHU Hoi - dick has tried very hard and managed to use up his 15 - minute speaking time I did not hear any valid reason at all and his arguments sound untenable and weak
第二，我亦留意到，在這兩天發言的泛民議員全都不支持朱凱廸議員的議案。
Secondly I have also noted that all the pan - democratic Members who spoke in these two days do not support Mr CHU Hoi - dicks motion
《條例草案》對銀行業影響深遠，大家當然不敢貿然輕率處理。
Given the profound impact of the Bill on the banking industry we certainly dare not deal with it rashly in haste
不過，主席，更重要的是，大家也明白，假使如此毫無道理、輕率地繞過立法會法案委員會的程序，將來政府按泛民議員的邏輯，"有樣學樣，走捷徑"時，議員便不能批評和阻止。
Yet more importantly President we all understand that if the procedure of the Bills Committee of the Legislative Council can be bypassed so unreasonably and rashly Members will be unable to criticize and stop the Government if it copies it in the future and takes the short cut based on the pan - democratic Members logic
雖然在議事廳內聽到的聲音幾乎一面倒反對朱凱廸議員的議案，但為何發言的議員均看似認真地主席，是看似就這議案辯論，由昨天下午一直辯論至今，論點不斷重複，儘管主席和代理主席昨天和今天也三番四次地提醒每位發言的議員，但他們仍很認真地用盡15分鐘發言時間的每分每秒。
Although the views we heard in the Chamber seem to be unanimously against Mr CHU Hoi - dicks motion why did the Members who spoke keep debating this motion in a seemingly serious manner―President it is seemingly serious . They have debated all the way since yesterday afternoon and kept repeating their arguments . Although the President and the Deputy President had repeatedly reminded each Member who spoke yesterday and today they still seriously used up every second of their 15 - minute speaking time
主席，中國人有句成語是"欲蓋彌彰"，越想掩蓋事情的真相，結果反而更明顯地暴露出來。
President as a Chinese idiom says the more one tries to hide the truth the more it is exposed
在論述之前，有3點我首先要回應張國鈞議員：第一，他說這項議案必定會被否決，我想這點朱凱廸議員提出議案時已知 悉，因為以往建制派在功能團體議席佔大多數，現在建制派在分區直選及功能團體議席也佔大多數，在分組點票下，無論民主派議員提出任何議案，只要建制派不離開座位就可以否決了。
I believe Mr CHU Hoi - dick knew of that when he proposed the motion . In the past the pro - establishment camp was in the majority in functional constituencies but now they are in the majority in both the geographical constituencies and the functional constituencies . Under the separate voting arrangement the pro - establishment camp may veto any motion proposed by a Member from the pro - democracy camp by merely staying in the Chamber
他們不想討論，不發言，只作表決也可以否決議案，這是不需要討論的。
For any question they do not wish to discuss they need make no speech but take part in the voting to veto the motion and there will be no discussion
第二，我想指出張國鈞議員錯誤的地方，就是他說沒有人的發言支持朱凱廸議員，我相信張國鈞議員沒有我聽得那麼足，其實毛孟靜議員支持朱凱廸議員的議案。
Second I would like to point out that Mr CHEUNG Kwok - kwan was wrong in saying none of the spoken Members supported Mr CHU Hoi - dick . I think Mr CHEUNG Kwok - kwan has not been listening with full attention for Ms Claudia MO in fact supports Mr CHU Hoi - dicks motion
第三，我特別要指出張國鈞議員說我們敢做不敢認，說朱凱廸議員欲蓋彌彰。
Third I would like to mention Mr CHEUNG Kwok - kwans remark about us not daring to admit what we have done and that Mr CHU Hoi - dick is merely trying to cover up . In fact regarding the cause and effects as well as the meaning at various levels of initiating this motion debate the pro - democracy camp issued a public statement yesterday
其實，啟動這次辯論的前因後果和不同層次的意義，民主派昨天已發出公開聲明，當然，這聲明不應引入這一場根據《議事規則》第544條動議的議案辯論，所以我們沒有在這項辯論中提出，否則主席會說我們離題，所以希望建制派議員研究民主派昨天發出的聲明，他們可以到外面的傳媒採訪區批評我們，但我不能在此反駁他們，因為會屬發言離題。
Certainly that statement should not be included in the present debate on the motion proposed under RoP 544 and we would not do so lest the President says we have strayed from the question . Yet I hope Members from the pro - establishment camp will study the statement issued by the pro - democracy camp yesterday . They may criticize us at the Press Area outside yet I cannot refute them here for this will be regarded as digression
主席，朱凱廸議員提出的議案其實難以處理。
President the motion proposed by Mr CHU Hoi - dick is indeed difficult to handle
不過，重要之中都有更重要的，我稍後會提出請局長反思一下。
Though every item is important some may be more important . I will ask the Secretary to reflect on this later
事情有重要性，亦有時間性，時間性是怎樣？
Importance is a concern yet timing is also a concern . What about the timing?
今天做不到沒有問題，但2月做不到，3月做不到，5月做不到，有沒有問題？
It may not be a problem if the procedures cannot be completed today . Yet if these cannot be completed by February March or May will there be a problem?
現在我們相反，附屬法例後於政府提出的無立法效力議案討論，這也是一個問題。
However the current arrangement provides for the opposite where motions on subsidiary legislation are placed after Government motions with no legislative effect . This is a cause of concern
不過，某些議員說《條例草案》沒有急切性或沒有時間性，這樣也不對。
Nonetheless regarding the comment of certain Members about there being no urgency and time frame for the Bill I think it is incorrect
大家問劉局長，他不會同意這項《條例草案》沒有時間性和急切性。
If Secretary James Henry LAU is asked about this he will disagree that there is no time frame and urgency for the Bill
我甚至認為它比"一地兩檢"更急切。
I even consider that the Bill is more urgent than the co - location arrangement
我們看看立法會參考資料摘要第5段，政府說"為提升透明度及確定性，我們認為有必要在《銀行業條例》訂立更明確的恢復規劃規定，這樣除可確保符合金融穩定理事會的準則，更重要的是可確保我們銀行體系抵禦嚴峻壓力的能力"。
Let us look at paragraph 5 of the Legislative Council Brief . The Government said To provide greater transparency and certainty it is considered necessary to prescribe explicit recovery planning requirements in the Banking Ordinance . This will ensure compliance with the relevant Financial Stability Board standards and more importantly the resilience of our banking system to cope with severe stress
因此，背後一定會有時間性。
Hence there must be a time frame behind it
由於時間關係，我不討論金融穩定理事會。
Due to the time constraint I will not talk about the Financial Stability Board
我想指出，如果政府不能盡快為銀行業訂定相關要求，將會嚴重打擊國際對香港銀行業的信心。
I would like to point out that if the Government cannot make the relevant requirements for the banking industry as soon as possible it will severely undermine the international communitys confidence in Hong Kong
第二個"確保"是確保銀行體制有抵禦嚴峻壓力的能力。
The second reference to 確保 is about ensuring the resilience of our banking system to cope with severe stress
先不談歷史，我只談未來。
I will not dwell on the past but will focus on the future
"十年一劫，逢七必跌"，今年出現了這8個字。
This year we come across the saying that A crisis in every decade plunges come in the year with the number seven
2017年有"7"字，每10年出現金融浩劫。
The year 2017 includes the number 7 and a financial calamity comes every 10 years
如果忽然發生這個情況，如果我們沒有做好準備，真的不知道將會怎樣呢？
If this occurs suddenly while we are not readily prepared I really do not know what will happen
所以，我先要闡釋，我認為如果現時無法知道何時能夠完成此條例的餘下程序，會出現的不確定因素。
Hence I have to elaborate my views about the uncertain factors possibly arising when the timing for completing the remaining procedures of the Bill is not made known at present
第一，未來數月可能會有更多法案付諸二讀，即使法案委員會很快完成審議，也不知何時才可以真正恢復二讀及三讀。
First in the next couple of months additional Bills will be presented for Second Reading . In other words even if the Bills Committee can complete the scrutiny expeditiously it remains unknown when this Council will resume the Second Reading of the Bill and then Third Reading
如果政府要求先審議這些法案，主席當然會接受，因為政府可以調動議程的先後次序。
If the Government requests that priority be given to the examination of those Bills the President will surely grant such requests for the Government may rearrange the priority of items on the Agenda
2月做不到，有沒有問題？5月做不到，有沒有問題？今年暑假前做不到，有沒有問題？
Will it be fine if the Bill cannot be passed by February May or even before the summer recess?
這是你都要回答業界或社會的問題。
Mr CHAN Chun - ying has to give an answer to the industry or the community
如果政府要求更快通過一些重大急切性的議案，或因為......
If the Government requests that certain important motions of great urgency be passed expeditiously or if I have thought up a good idea for the pro - establishment camp
所以，當中存在很多不確定因素。
Hence there are lots of uncertainties in the case
此外，我看到現時有19項法案正在處理中，早已進入了法案委員會階段，一旦成熟就隨時可以恢復二讀，亦有可能比《條例草案》更早完成法案委員會的工作。
Moreover I notice that this Council is now dealing with 19 Bills and they are at the Bills Committee stage meaning the Second Reading of these Bills may be resumed anytime the Bills Committees consider mature . The examination of these Bills at the Bills Committees may be completed earlier than the present Bill
所以，局長要回答公眾，他預計這10多項法案何時可以恢復二讀呢？
Hence the Secretary has to tell the public of the time he forecasts the resumption of the Second Reading of the dozen of Bills will take place
因此，朱凱廸議員動議的議案可能是"先天下之憂而憂"，提出來讓大家決定這樣做，屆時3月、5月無法通過，就由大家一起承擔。
Though Mr CHU Hoi - dicks worries prompting him to move the motion may be premature his proposal allows Members to make a decision to go ahead with the adjournment so that when the Bill cannot be passed in March or May Members will bear the responsibility collectively
朱凱廸議員，我希望你回答我以下的一些問題。
Mr CHU Hoi - dick I hope you can answer these following questions
即使你覺得《條例草案》有急迫性，即使你覺得政府未能夠說出恢復二讀的確實日子，但萬一開此先例，會導致很多問題出現，這令我對朱凱廸議員的議案有所保留，甚至我會採取進一步行動。
You may think that the Bill has considerate urgency and that the Government has failed to state the exact date for resuming the Second Reading of the Bill yet the present case may set a precedent giving rise to a lot of problems . For this reason I have reservations about Mr CHU Hoi - dicks motion and I may even take further action
第一，我覺得應該確保持份者有仔細審議法例的權力。
First I think the rights of stakeholders to examine the legislation should be safeguarded . Second the arrangement may deprive the public of the opportunities to express their views . Third the right of stakeholders to propose amendments should be safeguarded
第二，剝奪了公眾發表意見的機會；第三，要保障持份者提出修訂的權力；第四，要保障政府提出修訂的權力；第五，是十分重要的，要避免有人依樣畫葫蘆，引用《議事規則》第544條處理一些十分富爭議性的議案，所以，我認為毛孟靜議員的論點是十分錯誤的，例如她經常擔心《國歌法》等，如果此例一開，《國歌法》會否急迫至一天內完成三讀呢？
Fourth the right of the Government to propose amendments should be safeguarded . Fifth it is most imperative to prevent others from following suit to invoke RoP 544 to deal with very controversial motions . Hence I think Ms Claudia MOs arguments are wrong
同樣，"一地兩檢"本地立法，如果此例一開，會否又是一天內完成三讀呢？
Take the National Anthem Law which she worries much as an example . If a precedent is set now will the three Readings of the National Anthem Law be done urgently within a day? . By the same token will the three Readings of the local legislation on the co - location arrangement be completed within one day given such a precedent?
雖然我認為建制派不會無賴至這種程度，差不多撕破臉地一天內完成《國歌法》和"一地兩檢"的三讀，但是在捍衞《議事規則》、議事程序、程序公義上，的確是要考慮的。
I think the pro - establishment camp will not act so disreputable to the extent of ripping open their faces to complete the three Readings of the National Anthem Law and the legislation on co - location arrangement in one day . Yet I have to consider this in the context of defending the Rules of Procedure procedures of this Council and procedural justice
我認為應該要保障持份者有仔細審議法例的權力，如果朱凱廸議員的議案獲得通過，便不能夠成立法案委員會討論《條例草案》。
In my view the rights of stakeholders to examine the Bill in detail should be safeguarded . If Mr CHU Hoi - dicks motion is passed we cannot establish a Bills Committee to discuss the Bill
雖然我認為《條例草案》涉及的持份者或最受影響者應該是銀行業，而加入法案委員會的議員，我想將寥寥可數，但即使只有3名委員，也可以召開法案委員會，所以，我認為必須確保能夠成立法案委員會，以及邀請官員共同仔細審議法案的機會，是不應該輕易抹煞此機會的。
I think the stakeholders and the banking industry are parties most affected by the Bill and that only a few Members will join the Bills Committee yet even if there are only three Members on the Bills Committee a Bills Committee meeting may be held . Hence I think we must ensure that a Bills Committee will be set up and that there will be opportunities to invite public officers to examine the Bill with us together . We should not hastily discard this opportunity
法案委員會與二讀或全體委員會不同，在法案委員會上，委員可以與官員自由、仔細地逐項條例進行交流，如果主席寬鬆處理，可不設時限。
The Bills Committee stage is different from the Second Reading or Committee stage . In the Bills Committee Members may have exchanges freely with government officials in the course of the detailed clause - by - clause scrutiny of the Bill . If the Chairman of the Bills Committee adopts a lenient approach there will not be any time limits for the exchanges
與官員交流的過程中，可能會找到一些不足之處，亦可令公眾更了解法案內容。
During the course of exchanges with government officials some inadequacies of the Bill may be identified and the public may gain a better understanding of the Bill
若就該議案進行的辯論可以中止待續，其效果是立法會無從決定如何處理法案的餘下程序。
If adjournment of the debate of that motion is allowed it will have the effect that the Legislative Council cannot decide on how the remaining proceedings of the Bill be dealt with
我認為這情況有違有關程序的用意。
I consider that scenario contravenes the purpose of the procedures concerned
首先，整項政府議案也是由謊話組成，政府過去以"假、大、空"的手段推銷西九"一地兩檢"方案，假是虛假，大是誇大，空是空洞及"兇"猛。
First of all the Government motion is entirely made up of lies . In the past the Government promoted the proposal for the co - location arrangement in West Kowloon with exquisitely packaged tactics representing falseness exaggeration and terrible emptiness
所以，不論任何議員提出中止待續議案，我也會支持，因為這項"一地兩檢"方案一旦獲得立法會表決通過，便會給予政府多一項工具，可以向別人宣稱社會也支持它的做法，因為立法會是社會的縮影。
Hence no matter which Member proposes a motion to adjourn the debate I will support it because once this co - location proposal is put to the vote and passed by the Legislative Council it will give the Government an additional handle to claim that it has the support of society since the Legislative Council is a miniature of society
若這項方案繼續推前，會對香港市民的信心和香港的前途帶來破壞性甚至是摧毀性的影響。
If this proposal is taken forward it will do detrimental and even destructive harm to public confidence and the future of Hong Kong
代理主席，我希望各位議員知道，若今天這項中止待續議案獲得通過，會有甚麼好處，就是我們可以立即處理議程上的餘下項目，包括上星期由於流會而無法處理的根據《能源效益條例》動議的擬議決議案，以及根據《刑事訴訟程序條例》動議的擬議決議案，這兩項均是具法律約束力的議案，我認為應該先處理具法律約束力的 議案。
Deputy President I hope Members will know the merits of passing this motion to adjourn the debate today . That is we will be able to deal with the remaining items on the Agenda immediately including the proposed resolution under the Energy Efficiency Ordinance and the one under the Criminal Procedure Ordinance which have been deferred since the meeting was aborted last week . Both are legally binding motions
當然，由於受到《議事規則》所限，政府的議案是最大的，不管它是否具法律約束力，政府提出的所有議案，其地位均高於政府提出的決議案及附屬法例。
In my view we should deal with the legally binding motions first . Of course subject to the Rules of Procedure RoP Government motions are at the top of the list . Irrespective of whether they are legally binding all Government motions enjoy a higher status than resolutions and subsidiary legislation proposed by the Government
大家近日那麼喜歡說要修改《議事規則》，這其實是應該檢討的問題。
Recently Members likes to talk so much about amending RoP . This is actually an issue which should be reviewed
代理主席，現時放在我們眼前的這項政府議案，是一項無法律約束力的議案，在現階段處理和通過，其實並無任何實質意義，反倒會造成一些傷害，其中一項傷害是讓政府有更多藉口，迴避回答現時社會人士及不少議員提出的問題，當中最主要的是法律問題。
Deputy President now this Government motion tabled before us is a non - binding motion . In fact dealing with and passing it at this stage does not carry any substantive meaning . On the contrary it will cause certain harms one of which is giving the Government more excuses to evade answering questions raised by the public and many Members now
政府亦不會再願意提供議員要求的數據，包括經濟數據和交通效益數據。
Among them the most important one is the legal issue . Neither will the Government be willing to provide the figures requested by Members including economic data and data on transport benefits
政府更會以這項議案已獲得通過為藉口，拒絕再進行公眾諮詢，最後極可能以這項議案獲得通過為由，指議案完全沒有問題。
The Government will also refuse to conduct any more public consultation on the excuse that this motion has been passed . Finally it will most likely claim that given its passage there is no problem with this motion at all
這做法其實是欺上瞞下，"瞞下"所指的是向那些一直沒有跟進"一地兩檢"的香港市民隱瞞事實，市民會說在電視上看到立法會以30多票贊成，通過了這項政府議案，即立法會也相當支持"一地兩檢"，那麼便應該沒有問題吧，這便是"瞞下"。
Such an approach is in fact deceiving its superiors and deluding the public . Deluding the public means it is withholding the truth from the people of Hong Kong who have not followed up the co - location issue . The people will say they have seen on television that the Legislative Council has passed this Government motion with some 30 votes in favour of it that means the Legislative Council considerably supports the co - location arrangement so there should be no problem
而"欺上"，就是政府想借助立法會製造假民意，因為它不敢進行真民調，而其現時引述的資料也欠缺壓倒性的民意基礎。
This is deluding the public . Deceiving its superiors means the Government wishes to make use of the Legislative Council to fabricate public opinions since it dares not conduct any genuine opinion survey and the information it has now cited lacks any basis of overwhelming popular support
所以，我希望藉着這項中止待續議案辯論，請政府懸崖勒馬，回去好好想一想。
For this reason I wish to urge the Government to pull back and think carefully through this adjournment debate
其實，林鄭月娥今天已說得很清楚，即使政府議案沒有法律效力，即使它未能通過，政府一樣會向前行。
As a matter of fact Carrie LAM has made it very clear today . Even if the Government motion which does not have any binding effect cannot be passed the Government will go ahead all the same
我現在請它收回議案，其實也只是廢話，因為它同樣會一意孤行，閉着眼向前走，我們是無法阻延他們推展西九"一地兩檢"的，這是相當現實的事情。
Now it is actually pointless for me to request it to withdraw the motion because it will obstinately stick to its course close its eyes and press ahead . There is no way we can delay it from pushing ahead with the co - location arrangement in West Kowloon . This is the reality
所以，我們說，雖然陳帆局長的軀體在立法會，但其靈魂其實已經去了北京，正在思考"三步走"的立法細節。
That is why we say that although Secretary Frank CHAN is physically present in the Legislative Council his mind has already gone to Beijing pondering on the details of legislating for the Three - step Process
其實，如果議會能花時間舉行一項質詢環節，讓議員就此事提出疑問，再由官員確實解答，會較我們現時進行議案辯論更有建設性。
Actually if the Council can spend some time to hold a question session for Members to ask questions about this matter and then officials to give concrete replies it will be more constructive than the motion debate we are conducting right now
陳帆局長在今天中午大約12時提出了六大原因，當中全部也是四字真言，但我相信如果反對西九"一地兩檢"的市民聽到他的四字真 言，會感到相當憤怒。
Secretary Frank CHAN put forward six major reasons at about 12 oclock noon today . All of them were expressed in four - character phrases in Chinese . But I believe if people opposing the co - location arrangement in West Kowloon hear those phrases they will feel quite angry
他說甚麼"把握機遇連繫世界"，是的，坐高鐵可以環遊世界，較飛機更快；至於"快捷方便"，這一點早已被我們拆穿了，所謂40多分鐘到達廣州，其實只能到達番禺長隆野生動物園；"保安必須依法行事"，但"依法行事"就是我們最懷疑的一點，當中究竟有否違反"一國兩制"，有否違反《基本法》呢？
As regards being speedy and convenient 快捷方便 this point has already been refuted by us . It is alleged that we can arrive at Guangzhou in 40 - odd minutes but actually we can only reach Chimelong Safari Park . It is ensuring public security in accordance with the law 保安必須 依法行事 but the latter part is the greatest cause for doubts
所以，如果這項中止待續議案獲得通過，便可以有這些好處。
Hence if this motion for adjournment of debate is passed there will be these merits
其實，很多建制派議員也聽信局長這些四字或八字真言，閉着眼支持西九"一地兩檢"的方案。
Actually many Members of the pro - establishment camp falling for these four - character or eight - character phrases of the Secretary support the proposal for the co - location arrangement in West Kowloon with their eyes closed
一直以來，很多議員質疑這做法違反《基本法》，這樣會否令《基本法》第二十條凌駕其他條文？
Many Members have all along queried whether this approach has contravened the Basic Law . Will it cause Article 20 of the Basic Law to override the other provisions?
《基本法》第二十條有否授權政府放棄自己的權利？
Does Article 20 of the Basic Law empower the Government to give up its own rights?
有否授權政府自閹自割？
Does it empower the Government to castrate its own functions?
政府並無向市民或議會詳細解釋。
The Government has not explained it to the public or the Council in detail
我相信如果今天通過西九"一地兩檢"的議案，政府更不會積極回應議員的質詢。
I believe if the motion on implementing the co - location arrangement in West Kowloon is passed today it will be even more unlikely for the Government to respond to Members questions pro - actively
因此，我必須支持中止待續的議案。
For this reason I must support the motion to adjourn the debate
他們之前要求政府的事情，政府更不會回應。
Neither will the Government respond to the requests made by them previously
甚至在我們就這些疑問尋求解釋期間，政府會否發現有另一些方案可以考慮？
Is it also possible that the Government will find some other options worthy of consideration while we are seeking explanations for these queries?
所以我覺得通過中止待續議案，有百利而無一害。
Hence I think passing the motion to adjourn the debate will bring nothing but merits
另一個原因是，不少議員曾經要求政府提供最新的營運數據，我相信政府有責任提交這些數據，這樣才會令這項討論變得更有意義。
Another reason is that many Members have requested the Government to provide the latest data on operation . I believe the Government has the responsibility to provide such data . Only then will this discussion become more meaningful
不少議員指出，政府所提供有關高鐵效益、乘客量和班次的數據，最新的數字已經是兩年前，即2015年的了，但這些數據是千變萬化的，亦是對香港應否在西九實施"一地兩檢"具決定性的因素。
As pointed out by many Members the latest figures provided by the Government in relation to the benefits patronage and number of trips of XRL were already two years old ie . 2015 but such data can change constantly and it is also a decisive factor in determining whether Hong Kong should implement the co - location arrangement in West Kowloon
舉例而言，如果根據最新數據，大部分由西九出發的乘客原來只是前往深圳，這樣便不一定要在香港進行"一地兩檢"，在深圳進行"一地兩檢"可能會更方便。
For example if according to the latest figures it turns out that most passengers departing from West Kowloon merely head for Shenzhen then it may not be necessary to implement the co - location arrangement in Hong Kong . It may be more convenient to do so in Shenzhen
此外，政府亦沒有交代最新預計由西九開出的長途班次數目，以及預計2018年由深圳開出的長途班次數目，這些都是具決定性的。
Besides the Government did not provide its latest forecast of the respective numbers of long - haul trips departing from West Kowloon and Shenzhen in 2018
如果2018年由深圳開出的長途班次數目遠高於從香港開出的數目，長途客的數目越少，在香港進行"一地兩檢"的必要性便越低。
These are decisive factors . If the number of long - haul trips departing from Shenzhen far exceeds the number of those departing from Hong Kong in 2018 the smaller the number of long - haul travellers the lower the necessity for the co - location arrangement to be implemented in Hong Kong
因此，如果議案能夠中止待續，我希望政府可以提交最新、最準確、最多的數據，幫助社會和議會決定是否支持政府的西九"一地兩檢"方案。
Hence if the motion debate can be adjourned I hope the Government will submit as much as possible the latest and most accurate data to help society and the Council to decide whether or not to support the Governments proposal for implementing the co - location arrangement in West Kowloon
我支持議案中止待續的另一原因，是政府至今仍沒有詳細交代內地政府會為租用口岸支付多少錢，甚至連會否支付也沒有定案。
Another reason for my support for the adjournment is that so far the Government has still not given any detailed account of how much money the Mainland Government will pay for renting the control point . Whether it will make any payment is even not finalized
代理主席，你可能會覺得這跟"一地兩檢"無關，但其實有莫大關係。
Deputy President you may consider this irrelevant to the co - location issue but it is in fact closely related
如果政府要實施"一地兩檢"方案，便要先把西九部分土地租給內地政府，而內地政府需否支付租金或會繳付多少租金，是決定香港段會否有盈利的重要因素。
If the Government implements the co - location arrangement first it will have to lease part of the land in West Kowloon to the Mainland Government . Whether the Mainland Government needs to pay any rent or how much it will pay in rent is an important factor determining whether the Hong Kong Section will yield any profit
如果政府每月收取內地達數千萬元甚至近億元租金，那麼從經濟效益角度來看，可能除笨有精，但當然，從法律角度來看的朋友是不會同意的。
If the Government receives a monthly rent amounting to tens of millions of dollars or even nearly 100 million from the Mainland then from the perspective of economic benefits it may make the best of a bad bargain . But certainly people looking at it from the angle of law will disagree
我希望陳帆局長盡快向香港市民公開這些帳目，政府必須公開擬與內地政府達成的出租條件，除了金錢，還有否其他條件？
I hope Secretary Frank CHAN will expeditiously disclose these accounts to the people of Hong Kong . The Government must disclose the lease conditions it intends to reach with the Mainland Government . Is there any other condition apart from money?
這些都應該向公眾交代。
It should give an account of these matters to the public