Borrison/hk-legicost huggingface dataset:
委員察悉，就香港永久性居民以"先買後賣"的方式換樓，新住宅印花稅措施沿用雙倍從價印花稅機制下的退稅安排。根據相關的機制，如果一名香港永久性居民購買新住宅物業以取代其唯一的原有住宅物業，他必須先按新住宅物業印花稅率繳付從價印花稅。
Members note that if a HKPR replaces hisher residential property by acquiring a new property before disposing of the only original one the NRSD measure maintains the refund mechanism provided for under the DSD regime
如果他可以提交證明文件，證實他在簽立購入新住宅物業的樓契日期後的6個月內，售出其唯一的原有住宅物業，可於法定期內向稅務局申請退還部分從價印花稅，退還的金額相當於按15%新稅率與按第2標準稅率計算的稅款差額。
Under the relevant mechanism a HKPR who acquires a new residential property to replace hisher only original residential property will be subject to NRSD in the first instance but heshe may apply to IRD within the statutory time limit for a partial refund of the AVD paid upon proof that hisher only original property has been disposed of within six months from the date of executing the assignment of the new residential property . The amount to be refunded is the stamp duty paid at the new rate of 15 % in excess of that computed at Scale 2 rates
政府當局表示，現時本地銀行有為更換物業的客戶提供過渡貸款，以方便買家應付在換樓期內的財政需要，而該等過渡貸款的還款期通常為6個月。
The Administration has indicated that bridging loans are currently provided by local banks for customers replacing their properties to cater for their financial needs during property replacement and the repayment period of these bridging loans is six months in general
多名委員對退稅機制表示關注，並促請政府當局考慮兩項建議。
A number of Members have expressed concern about the refund mechanism and have urged the Administration to consider two suggestions
第一，為減輕更換唯一住宅物業的香港永久性居民買家的資金周轉問題，稅務局應該考慮讓有關買家在取得新住宅物業時，無須向稅務局繳付15%的新住宅印花稅，而只須先按第2標準稅率繳付從價印花稅。
First to ease the cash flow problem of HKPR - buyers who intend to replace their only residential property IRD should consider allowing buyers to pay AVD at Scale 2 rates rather than the NRSD rate of 15 % when acquiring a new residential property in the first instance
這些買家須向稅務局提供銀行擔保，而擔保金額為按15%新稅率及第2標準稅率計算的從價印花稅稅款差額。
Buyers are required to provide IRD with a bank guarantee of an amount equal to the difference between stamp duty payments calculated at the 15 % new rate and the Scale 2 rates
若有關買家沒有在該6個月的期限內處置其唯一的原有物業，稅務局可向提供擔保的銀行追收該筆稅款差額。
If buyers fail to dispose of their only original property within the six - month time limit IRD may recover the difference from the guarantor bank
此外，委員亦建議就處置原有物業的法定期限應由6個月延長至9個月或12個月，讓業主有更多時間更換物業。這是考慮到要物業擁有人在物業市場不活躍的情況下，於取得新物業作替換用途後的6個月內處置他唯一擁有的另一住宅物業的實際困難。
Having regard to the practical difficulty for a property owner in disposing of hisher only other residential property within six months amid the sluggish property market upon the acquisition of a new property for replacement Members have also suggested that the statutory time limit for disposal of the original property should be extended from 6 months to 9 months or 12 months to allow more time for property replacement
就上述第一項建議，政府當局認為，由於難以分辨真正希望換樓的買家，所以如果容許換樓人士以銀行擔保暫緩繳付印花稅，可能會招致一些並無真實意圖出售原有物業的業主，藉換樓的名義拖延繳付印花稅，或趁機持有多於一個住宅物業一段較長時間來獲取利潤。
On the first suggestion mentioned above the Administration is of the view that since it is difficult to identify who are those genuine buyers who wish to replace their original properties allowing persons replacing their properties to pay stamp duty with bank guarantee may invite some owners without genuine intention to dispose of their original properties to under the guise of property replacement defer payment of stamp duty or profit from holding more than one residential property for a longer period of time
這與推出新住宅印花稅的政策原意不符，亦可能造成漏洞。
This is inconsistent with the policy objective of implementing the NRSD measure and may also create loopholes
就延長6個月法定期限的建議，政府當局亦解釋，相關法案委員會在審議《2013年印花稅條例草案》時，已經詳細討論該6個月的法定期限。
On the suggestion of extending the six - month statutory time limit the Administration has explained that the statutory time limit of six months had been thoroughly discussed by the relevant Bills Committee when it scrutinized the Stamp Duty Amendment Bill 2013
考慮到當時法案委員會的意見，政府當局在審議該法案時提出修正案，調整原有安排，由從取得新物業的買賣協議日期開始計算6個月時限，改為從取得新物業的售賣轉易契日期開始計算。
Taking into account the views of the then Bills Committee the Administration revised the original arrangement by moving Committee stage amendments CSAs to adjust the six - month time limit to commence from the date of conveyance on sale instead of the agreement for sale and purchase of the newly acquired property
有關修正案已獲得通過。
The CSAs were passed
根據稅務局的統計數據，約九成提出退稅申請的換樓人士，在簽立新住宅物業的售賣轉易契前，或在簽立新住宅物業的售賣轉易契後的首3個月內，已簽立出售原有物業的買賣協議。
According to the IRDs statistics about 90 % of persons who applied for refund executed the agreement for sale and purchase for disposal of the original residential property either before or within three months after they had executed the assignment of the new residential property
政府當局認為，如果將處置原有物業的法定時限由6個月延長至9個月甚至12個月，可能會令更多業主藉着換樓為名拖延處置原有的住宅物業，變相讓他們在一段長時間內擁有超過一個住宅物業，這亦與實施新住宅印花稅的政策目標不相符。
The Administration is of the view that if the statutory time limit for disposing of the original property is extended from 6 months to 9 months or even 12 months it may result in a situation where more property owners may delay the disposal of their original residential property under the guise of property replacement which in effect allows them to hold more than one residential property for a long period of time . This is also inconsistent with the policy objective of implementing the NRSD measure
多名委員不同意政府當局的解釋，認為新住宅印花稅機制為更換住宅物業的真正用家帶來沉重的財政負擔，而6個月的指明期限亦不足以讓他們在市場上以合理價格處置其唯一的住宅物業。
A number of members do not agree with the Administrations explanation and maintain the view that the NRSD regime has imposed heavy financial burden on genuine users in replacing their residential properties and that the six - month specified period is not enough for them to dispose of their only other residential property in the market at a reasonable price
涂謹申議員表示會就銀行擔保及延長6個月的法定期限兩項建議提出修正案。
Mr James TO has indicated that he will propose CSAs on the suggestions concerning bank guarantee and extension of the six - month statutory time limit
《條例》擬議經修訂附表1訂明，就相關文書而言，"所有買賣各方，以及所有其他簽立人"均有法律責任繳付新住宅印花稅。
The proposed amended First Schedule to the Ordinance provides that all parties and all other persons executing the relevant instrument are liable for NRSD payment
政府當局解釋，根據《條例》第43條，任何使用可予徵收印花稅的文書的人士，均須負上繳付印花稅的法律責任。
The Administration has explained that according to section 43 of the Ordinance any person who uses an instrument chargeable with stamp duty shall be liable for the payment of the stamp duty
因此，如果地產代理希望呈交臨時買賣協議作為證據，向買方或賣方追討地產代理佣金，有關地產代理或須負上繳付印花稅的法律責任。
Therefore if an estate agent wishes to recover agent commission from the buyer or seller by submitting a provisional agreement for sale and purchase as evidence the agent may be liable for the payment of stamp duty
政府當局進一步解釋，《條例》附表1現時訂明，有關文書的所有買賣各方及所有其他簽立人，均有法律責任繳付從價印花稅。
The Administration has further explained that the First Schedule to the Ordinance currently provides that all parties of the instrument and all other persons executing the instrument are liable for the payment of AVD
《條例草案》並無就此作出任何修訂。
The Bill has not made any amendment thereto
然而，政府當局從市場了解，地產代理一般會與客戶就所提供的服務和相關佣金，另外訂立地產代理協議。
However the Administration gathers from the market that in general estate agents will separately enter into an estate agency agreement with their clients on provision of services and relevant commission
如果不符合現行豁免安排，有關交易就要繳付新住宅印花稅。
If the existing exemption arrangements are not complied with the transaction is subject to payment of NRSD
法案委員會對恢復《條例草案》二讀辯論並無異議。
The Bills Committee has no objection to the resumption of the Second Reading debate on the Bill
對此，法案委員會並無異議，有關詳情已載列於報告內，法案委員會不會提出任何修正案。
The Bills Committee has raised no objection thereto . The relevant details have been set out in the report and the Bills Committee will not propose any CSAs
然而，面對現時環球極低息率，資金嚴重泛濫，熱錢紛紛流入住宅物業市場的情況，我認為暫時難以扭轉局面。
However given the current extremely low global interest rates serious capital overflow and the influx of hot money into the residential property market I think it is difficult to reverse the situation for the time being
雖然特區政府在過往數年已想方設法開發土地，以增加私人樓宇、公營房屋及資助出售單位的供應，但增加私人樓宇的供應在一定程度上會有所滯後，不可以一蹴即就，往往在數年、甚至數十年後才可以看到成效。
Although the SAR Government has made every effort to develop land in the past few years to increase the supply of private flats PRH units and subsidized sale flats the increase in the supply of private flats will be lagging behind to some extent and cannot be achieved at a stroke . Very often the results will only be seen a few years or even a few decades later
更甚的是，特區政府在增加建屋土地和公私營住宅單位時，往往面對不少阻撓和挑戰，例如地區人士反對及提出司法覆核等，令特區政府在增加住宅單位供應、遏抑樓價的工作事倍功半。
Worse still when the Government makes effort to increase land for construction of public and private residential flats it often has to face a lot of obstructions and challenges such as opposition from local residents and application for judicial review etc . Consequently the SAR Government can only get half the results with double the effort in increasing the supply of residential flats and curbing property prices
在增加房屋供應方面短期內成效不彰的前提下，特區政府透過新的稅務措施，遏抑熾熱的樓市投資需求，從而抑制失控的樓價，某程度上是無可奈可的舉措。
On the premise that the increase in housing supply has been ineffective in the short run the SAR Government has adopted a new taxation measure to suppress the investment demand in the exuberant property market and hence curb the uncontrollable property prices . To a certain extent this measure is taken as no other alternative is available
民建聯理解及支持有關舉措，希望可以平抑已經失控的樓價。
DAB understands and supports the measure and hopes that that it can stabilize the uncontrollable property prices
話說回頭，今次俗稱"辣招"的需求管理措施，是政府自2010年以來第五次透過增設不同類別的印花稅或上調稅率，以遏抑樓價。
Coming back to the subject the current demand - side management measure commonly known as curb measure is the fifth round of measures taken by the Government since 2010 to suppress property prices through the introduction of different types of stamp duty or the upward adjustment of the duty rates
例如，在舊有的雙倍印花稅機制下，一名投資者購入一個400萬元至600萬元的"上車盤"，只須繳交樓價6%的印花稅，金額大概是24萬元至36萬元，但根據新的從價印花稅，所須繳交的印花稅金額便會上升至60萬元至90萬元。
For instance under the previous DSD mechanism an investor buying a starter home worth 4 million to 6 million only needs to pay stamp duty which accounted for 6 % of the property price ie . around 240,000 to 360,000 . But under the new AVD regime the stamp duty he pays will increase to 600,000 to 900,000
由於過往不少投機者炒賣"上車盤"的稅務成本較低，他們集中炒賣"上車盤"，令"上車盤"的樓價不斷上升，從而增加普羅大眾的置業成本。
Since quite a number of investors focused on speculating starter homes in the past owing to the lower tax costs involved the property prices of starter homes have been surging thus increasing the cost of property acquisition of the general public
因此，民建聯原則上支持《條例草案》。
Therefore DAB supports the Bill in principle
去年11月，政府公布"辣招"後，根據現行《條例》，一名未曾擁有住宅物業的人士在1張住宅物業買賣合約下，一次性購入多個住宅物業，而他就買賣合約內各個住宅物業單位，只須按最基本的印花稅率繳交印花稅。
After the Government announced the curb measure last November under the existing Ordinance if a person who does not own any residential property acquires multiple residential properties under a single sale and purchase agreement he only needs to pay stamp duty at the basic rates for all residential flats under the sale and purchase agreement
他通過俗稱"一約多伙"的形式，逃避承擔買賣合約內其他住宅單位高達15%的新從價印花稅。
By means of the arrangement commonly known as buying multiple flats under one agreement he avoids the payment of new AVD at a rate of 15 % for other residential flats under the sale and purchase agreement
因此，在審議《條例草案》期間，法案委員會及社會大眾紛紛要求當局堵塞漏洞。
So in the course of scrutiny the Bills Committee and the community asked the Administration to plug the loopholes
當局最終從善如流，在今年4月提出《第2號條例草案》，以堵塞有關漏洞。
The Administration finally followed good advice and introduced the No . 2 Bill in April this year to plug the loopholes
《第2號條例草案》將於今年10月立法會復會後再作最後審議。
The No . 2 Bill will be scrutinized again in October this year when the Legislative Council session resumes
我在現階段不會就《第2號條例草案》作詳細討論，但對於當局肯從善如流堵塞漏洞，我表示支持和肯定。
I will not discuss the No . 2 Bill in detail at this stage but I support and recognize the Administrations willingness to follow good advice to plug the loopholes
然而，在避免"辣招"影響真正用家方面，當局的做法令人感到十分失望。
However from the perspective of avoiding the curb measure from affecting genuine users the measures taken by the Administration are very disappointing
新的從價印花稅的稅率高達15%，一些需要更換自住物業的市民在購入新的住宅物業時，必須一次性繳交15%的從價印花稅，並在6個月內出售舊有住宅物業，才可以向稅局申請領回新從價印花稅及基本印花稅之間的差額。
Given that the new AVD rate is as high as 15 % people who need to replace their owner - occupied properties must pay one - off AVD at a rate of 15 % for the purchase of new properties . They can only apply to IRD for refund of the amount paid at the new AVD rate in excess of that computed at basic AVD rate if their original residential properties have been disposed of within six months
由於新的從價印花稅稅率極高，有關稅款動輒高達數十萬元甚至過百萬元，對於有換樓需要的市民來說，是極為巨大的財務負擔。
As the new AVD rate is extremely high the stamp duty may amount to several hundred thousand dollars or even more than 1 million . This is a huge financial burden for people who need to replace their properties
此外，6個月換樓期實在太短，有需要換樓的市民未必有充足時間，在市場上放售舊有住宅物業。
In addition the six - month statutory time limit for disposal of the original property is too short and people who need to replace their properties may not have sufficient time to sell their original residential properties in the market
因此，在審議《條例草案》時，我及各黨派的委員都有同樣的意見。
Hence in the course of scrutiny of the Bill members from various political parties and groupings and I share the same views
我們要求當局把6個月換樓期延伸至9個月甚至1年，以及容許 有換樓需要的市民無須立即繳交15%的從價印花稅，以及可以透過銀行擔保，處理15%從價印花稅與基本印花稅之間的差額。
We ask the Administration to extend the statutory time limit for disposal of the original property from 6 months to 9 months or 12 months and allow people who have the need to replace their properties not to pay AVD at a rate of 15 % immediately . We also request for a bank guarantee of an amount equal to the difference between stamp duty payments calculated at the 15 % new AVD rate and the basic AVD rate
一旦有關的退稅期限屆滿，但市民還未出售舊有住宅物業，他們便要向銀行支付有關的擔保金額。
If members of the public fail to dispose of their original residential properties upon expiry of the statutory time limit for tax refund they will have to pay the guaranteed amounts to the bank
在政府拒絕有關建議後，周浩鼎議員及涂謹申議員分別提出修正案，把換樓的退稅寬限期由現時的6個月，分別延長至9個月或12個月。
After the Government rejected the proposal Mr Holden CHOW and Mr James TO have respectively proposed CSAs to extend the statutory time limit for disposal of the original residential property under the refund mechanism from 6 months to 9 months or 12 months
涂謹申議員更提出，由銀行擔保及處理新的從價印花稅與基本印花稅之間的差額，以及豁免地產代理繳付從價印花稅的法律責任。
Mr James TO has also proposed to provide for a bank guarantee mechanism so that the difference of stamp duty payable at the new AVD rates and the basic AVD rates could be paid by bank guarantee and that estate agents will not be liable to pay AVD
主席最終只批准延長換樓退稅期限，以及豁免地產代理繳付新的從價印花稅的法律責任的修正案。
The President has finally only approved the CSAs on extending the statutory time limit for disposing of the original residential property under the refund mechanism and exempting estate agents from the new AVD payment
不過，我個人認為涂議員提出有關修正案過於倉卒，條文尚未完善，因此，我和民建聯會對涂議員的修正案投棄權票。
Nonetheless I personally think that Mr TO has been too hastily in proposing CSAs as the provisions are not comprehensive enough . Hence DAB and I will abstain from voting on Mr TOs CSAs
就處理延長退稅期限，我們會支持周浩鼎議員提出的修正案。
On the statutory time limit under the refund mechanism we will support Mr Holden CHOWs CSAs
姚松炎議員，請發言。
Dr YIU Chung - yim please speak
代理主席，《2017年印花稅條例草案》旨在引入新住宅印花稅，該稅種簡稱NRSD。
Deputy President the objective of the Stamp Duty Amendment Bill 2017 the Bill is to introduce the New Residential Stamp Duty NRSD measure
自2010年起，本會已通過多項新的印花稅，包括額外印花稅、買家印花稅及雙倍印花稅。
Since 2010 this Council has approved the levy of various new ad valorem stamp duty AVD measures including the Special Stamp Duty SSD Buyers Stamp Duty BSD and Double Stamp Duty DSD
這些印花稅改動的政策目的究竟為何？
Actually what is the policy intent behind the Governments proposals to introduce and revise these AVD measures?
其實，我至今仍不清楚：究竟是打擊炒賣活動、減少非香港人買樓的情況，還是遏抑樓價？
Honestly I am still unsure about it even to this date . Is it meant to curb speculative activities dampen the interest of property acquisition by non - Hong Kong people or suppress property prices?
很多同事曾嘗試利用各種經濟理論來分析香港的樓市，但我可以大膽說一句，所有經濟理論均不適用於香港的住宅物業市場。
Many Honourable colleagues have tried to analyse Hong Kongs property market by different economic theories . But I dare say that not a single economic theory can explain our residential property market
翻看相關統計數字，在2010年1月至2017年5月這7年間，香港的住宇物業價格平均上升了140%，小型單位的樓價更飆升 167%。
Let us review the relevant statistics . In the seven years from January 2010 to May 2017 residential property prices in Hong Kong rose by 140 % on average and prices of small flats even soared 167 %
我信奉自由市場，所以我認為要解決樓市問題，便必須有更積極的態度，即政府的取態至關重要。
I am a believer of the free market . That is why I consider that the problem of the property market can only be resolved by a more proactive approach . In other words the Governments role is critical
舉例而言，德國政府把住宅樓宇定位為必需品市場，而不是商品市場。
For example in Germany the Government regards residential properties as necessities rather than commercial commodities
如果政府覺得住宅樓宇是必需品市場，便必須大力參與其中，包括增建公屋、大量增建居屋，以及恢復夾屋供應。
If the Government regards residential properties as necessities it should become heavily involved in the market
倒不如響應政府現時所說，把資源投放在高新科技上，發展人工智能、金融科技等。
Perhaps they should respond to the Governments call and make investments on the development of new and high - tech industries artificial intelligence AI Fintech and so on
繼續投資在地產之上？
Will they continue to invest in real estate?
代理主席，我謹此陳辭，支持《條例草案》恢復二讀。
With these remarks Deputy President I support the resumption of the Second Reading of the Bill . YEUNG make a statement something like numbers do not lie I chuckled a bit . Never say never
主席，我們明白推出樓市"辣招"旨在遏抑炒風。
President we understand that curb measures are introduced to combat speculation in the property market
現時本地二手樓市一潭死水，無人問津，所有人也轉至購買一手樓；當中固然有很多原因，容我稍後再作闡述。
At present the secondary market has been stagnant without any interested home buyers whereas all home buyers have turned to the primary market . There are certainly many reasons for that . Let me further elaborate on them later
就此，我在6月份曾再次去信政府，政府卻回覆說不能接受我的建議。
In this connection I sent a letter to the Government again in June but the Government turned down my suggestion in its reply
同時，政府抱有一種想法，就是如果作出任何舉措上的改動，也有機會釋出一種"減辣"的信息，從而影響樓市運作。
Meanwhile the Government is of the view that any change in its move will possibly be perceived as a signal to relax the curb measures which will in turn affect the operation of the property market
我現在回應尹兆堅議員剛才向我提出的問題。
I now respond to the question put to me by Mr Andrew WAN
我亦清楚涂謹申議員在法案委員會的商議過程中有下過工夫，他亦關注《條例草案》的進展，這是我親眼目睹和必須承認的。
From what I have seen with my own eyes I must admit that Mr James TO has made some efforts during the deliberation at the Bills Committee and he has been paying attention to the progress of the Bill as well
尹兆堅議員剛才問到，既然我們的修正案目標和原則一致，為何民主建港協進聯盟要選擇在表決時反對涂謹申議員的修正案，而支持我提出的修正案？
Mr Andrew WAN just asked Given the common objectives and principles of our CSAs why does the Democratic Alliance for the Betterment and Progress of Hong Kong DAB decide to oppose Mr James TOs CSAs but support my CSAs instead?
其實，雖然我與涂謹申議員提出的修正案原則和目標一致，但當中有一個分別。
In fact despite the common principles and objectives of the CSAs proposed by me and Mr James TO there is one difference between us
我明白不同人有不同想法，我們在黨團中亦曾進行討論，認為省掉這項申請安排，可能會令效果更加直接。
I understand that different people have different views . During the previous discussions in the caucus of our party we have considered that the exclusion of this application procedure might yield more direct results
畢竟我們的原則和目標一致，同樣希望把6個月期限延至12個月。
After all we share common principles and objectives in hoping to extend the time limit from 6 months to 12 months
我重申，當中的分別只在於涂謹申議員的修正案多了一個向政府申請延長期限的步驟，而我的修正案則建議無須申請，直接將寬限期延長至12個月。
I reiterate that the only difference between our CSAs lies in one additional procedure set out in Mr James TOs CSAs namely an application to the Government for extending the time limit . In contrast my CSAs have proposed to extend the grace period directly to 12 months with no application required
不論最終是我還是涂謹申議員的修正案獲得通過，我認為也是跨黨派取得共識和共同解決問題的重要一步，對今屆政府而言也是一個好開始。
Regardless of whether Mr James TOs or my CSAs will be passed in the end in my opinion an important step has already been taken across political parties and groupings to reach a consensus and resolve the problems together which has also marked a good beginning for the Government of this term
代理主席，我認為司長或代理主席閣下應該澄清一下，因為你剛才的說話，令我有很大疑惑。
Deputy Chairman I am extremely confused by what you have said and would like to seek clarification from the Secretary for Justice or you as Deputy Chairman
你剛才說，秘書處的講稿 從政府提供的文本抄寫過來，那麼，即是說政府寫錯了，是不是呢？
You have said that the Script was prepared by the Secretariat and was copied from the government document . So the Government has made a clerical mistake right?
如果是政府寫錯了，我認為必須澄清，因為我們現在討論的是真正的藍紙條例草案，一旦《道歉條例草案》獲得通過，究竟通過的版本，是"公正公平之舉"，還是"公平之舉"呢？
I think it is incumbent upon the Government to clarify if it has made such a mistake . As we are in the stage of discussing the official Blue Bill should the Apology Bill be passed what would be the passed version it is just and equitable to do so or it is equitable to do so?
所以，我認為在繼續辯論之前，司長必須正式澄清，究竟是"公正公平之舉"，還是"公平之舉"？
Therefore I think Secretary for Justice is obliged to clarify whether it is just and equitable to do so or it is equitable to do so is the correct version before we can continue with the debate
司長稍後作整體回應時，會考慮是否澄清。
When Secretary for Justice gives his overall response later he would consider whether to make a clarification
代理主席，這樣我很難討論下去，究竟我應該討論"公正公平之舉"，還是"公平之舉"呢？
Deputy Chairman it would be very difficult for me to continue with the discussion . Whether our discussion should be based on it is just and equitable to do so or it is equitable to do so?
究竟我應該如何發言呢？
How should I deliver my speech?
究竟政府的最後修訂本是否只有"公平"而沒有"公正"呢？
Is it the case that there is only the word equitable but not the word just in the latest revision of the Governments document?
梁耀忠議員，我已清楚回答你的問題。
Mr LEUNG Yiu - chung I have answered your question clearly
如果你說這份文件是最後的，是根據政府提供的文件而寫的，即是政府的最後修訂刪去了那兩個字。
According to what you have said this is the final version prepared on the basis of the document provided by the Government . In other words the Government has deleted the word just in its final revision
為何你不肯這樣做呢？
Why do you refuse to do so?
我已清楚指出，委員應以藍紙條例草案的文本為準。
I have clearly pointed out that Members should speak on the basis of the texts of the Blue Bill
司長，請你稍後發言時澄清。
Secretary for Justice please clarify this in your speech later
事實上，我是想針對"公正公平之舉"這個字眼發言的。
Actually I would like to focus my speech on the expression it is just and equitable to do so
代理主席，我明白梁耀忠議員或其他同事剛才提出的問題。
Deputy Chairman I appreciate the question raised by Mr LEUNG Yiu - chung or other colleagues just now
不過，因為文件沒有寫清楚，我們不知道究竟那是最新版本還是撮要，所以才有這些憂慮。
However the documents have not clearly indicated whether it is an updated version or merely a summary and that was why I had such a worry
代理主席，剛才特別由於你告訴我，秘書處是根據政府的版本編寫這份撮要，令我以為政府最終的版本沒有"公正"這兩個字，所以才要求你澄清。
Deputy Chairman I thought the Government deleted the word 公正 in the final Chinese version especially because you told me that the Secretariat prepared the summary according to the Governments latest version . That was why I asked for your clarification
當時，我其實很希望司長能站起來澄清究竟有沒有這兩個字，但你不同意，要我繼續辯論下去，我覺得這樣辯論對我很困難，為甚麼？
At that time I really wished the Secretary for Justice could stand up and clarify if this was the case but you did not agree and urged me to go on my speech . I felt difficult to go on without a clarification
代理主席，我覺得中文的"公正公平"這4個字不恰當，甚麼是公正公平？
Why? . Deputy Chairman I believe the phrase 公正公平 in the Chinese version was not used appropriately . What does it mean by 公正公平?
雖然司長一定會表示，條文的英文版本有"and"字，根據英文慣用的寫法，條文會加入"and"字，而中文版本的法例一般沒有"及"字，但問題在於，大家也知道，香港大多數居民是中國人，中國人讀這項條文時，主要先看中文，看完中文，律師才有責任再看英文，了解中文和英文當中的解釋，但一般市民不會這樣做。
According to general English usage the word and is added into the texts while the word 及 is not normally used in Chinese versions . The problem is that as Members all know most residents in Hong Kong are Chinese who will read the Chinese version of the law first . In fact the Chinese residents mostly will leave the English version to their lawyers who will then consider the meaning in both versions