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人大常委會就《合作安排》作出決定後，便完成"一地兩檢"安排的第一步及第二步程序。
After NPCSC had made a decision on the Co - operation Arrangement Step 1 and Step 2 of the co - location arrangement have been completed
特區政府又如何能私下簽署協議，然後提交人大常委會蓋章成事？
How can the HKSAR Government sign an agreement in private and then submit it to NPCSC for a seal of approval?
特區政府、國務院及全國人大常委會相互'配合'下作出的人大常委決定，已不能彌補地侵害了《基本法》的完整。
Through the combined efforts of the HKSAR Government the State Council and the NPCSC in producing NPCSC Co - location Decision the integrity of the Basic Law has now been irreparably breached
一個不正常的決定，造成的破壞是我們無法彌補的。
We can never repair the damage caused by an abnormal decision
由不正常的議會運作、不正常的宗主關係、不正常的憲政安排，到最後不正常的經濟估算。
The series of reasons I have put forward are all related to abnormality―abnormal operation of the legislature abnormal relationship akin to one between a suzerain state and a colony abnormal constitutional arrangement and finally abnormal economic estimates
不正常的經濟估算，導致我們目前出現的情況。
Abnormal economic estimates have led to our current situation
當中 涉及的不單是地理位置的問題。
The problem involved is not only limited to geographical location
沿線樓宇的結構會否受影響？
Will the structure of buildings along XRL be affected?
後來在2014年，當局繼續推算錯誤，以致出現今天的結果。
Subsequently the authorities continued with its wrong estimation in 2014 resulting in the situation today
當時香港鐵路有限公司行政總裁韋達誠提早退休，收取了3,000多萬元後便離職。
Meanwhile Jay WALDER former Chief Executive Officer of MTRCL opted for early retirement leaving office after receiving more than 30 million
那位外國人收取了3,000萬元後離職。
That foreigner had left office after receiving 30 million
其後，前工程總監周大滄也是因為2014年高鐵超支被揭發後，收取了差不多600萬元酬金和津貼便提早退休......
Subsequently CHEW Tai - chong former Projects Director of MTRCL retired early after receiving nearly 6 million in remuneration package after XRLs cost overrun was uncovered in 2014
主席，我其實沒有離題。
President in fact I have not digressed
第四個原因是不正常的經濟效益估算。
The fourth reason is abnormal estimates of economic benefits
我一直指出，第一步走錯了，卻牽連全香港社會各階層......
I have been noting that the first wrong step has affected all sectors of the Hong Kong community
在一個正常的宗主關係下，殖民地怎會轉租一幅地方予中央？
Under a normal suzerainty how could a colony lease a plot of land to the suzerain state?
馬時亨甫上任時說過，高鐵每月的營運費高達8,000萬元。
Upon assumption of office Frederick MA said that XRLs monthly operating costs would amount to 80 million
提早通車是否必然有好處？
Will early commissioning definitely bring benefits?
主席，無論世界變成怎樣，我今天都會站起來，反對這項不合憲的《廣深港高鐵條例草案》。
President no matter what the world will become today I still rise to voice my opposition to such an unconstitutional Guangzhou - Shenzhen - Hong Kong Express Rail Link Co - location Bill the Bill
主席，政府將《條例草案》交付本會審議，我現在發言反對《條例草案》通過二讀。
President the Government introduced the Bill into the Legislative Council for consideration . I now rise to speak against the Second Reading of the Bill
今天較早時，我就中止待續議案發言時指出，我認為本會審議《條例草案》違反程序，故此應該中止有關審議。
Earlier today during my speech on the adjournment motion I pointed out that the Councils consideration of the Bill constitutes a violation of procedure and thus it should be terminated
然而，在這一節辯論，我將會根據《議事規則》第543條，集中討論《條例草案》的原則及整體而言有多拙劣不堪。
However in this debate in accordance with Rule 543 of the Rules of Procedure I will focus on discussing the principles of the Bill and how abominable it is as a whole
特區政府有能力將一個謊言說了足足10年，厚顏至此，身為代議士，深感難過。
The Special Administration Region SAR Government is capable of telling a lie for 10 full years . As a peoples delegate I feel utterly sad about how shameless the Government is
我很感謝陳淑莊議員昨天發言時提及《深圳灣口岸港方口岸區條例草案》的審議過程，反證政府在今次《條例草案》的審議有違程序。
I am very grateful to Ms Tanya CHAN for mentioning the scrutiny of the Shenzhen Bay Port Hong Kong Port Area Bill in her speech yesterday to prove using an opposite example that the Government has violated the procedures in the scrutiny of the Bill
事實上，我們要辯論《條例草案》的整體優劣及原則，實在不能夠不回顧這10年來構成《條例草案》脈絡的事件。
In fact to debate the overall merits of the Bill and its principles it is inevitable not to review the events leading up to the Bill over the past decade
但是，由2008年起至今這10年來，議會和公眾不斷追問政府研究"一地兩檢"的進度、有關憲制和法律問題的可行方案，以及與內地商討的進展，一直不得要領。
However in the 10 years since 2008 the Council and the public have been asking the Government about the progress of the study on the co - location arrangement the feasible solutions to the constitutional and legal issues as well as the negotiation with the Mainland but to no avail
特別是翻查2010年財務委員會審議高鐵工程撥款的文件後，我們得悉政府一開始已在西九龍站預留空間進行"一地兩檢"，但在財委會討論時，政府只是不停以"研究當中"作為掩飾，以大量失實陳述來欺騙議員。
Having checked the papers of the Finance Committee on examining the funding for the XRL project we learnt that the Government had reserved space in the West Kowloon Station for the co - location arrangement at the outset . Yet during the discussion at the meetings of the Finance Committee the Government kept using under study as a disguise and a whole host of false statements to deceive Members
直至去年6月30日，張炳良仍然說政府就高鐵出入境的安排沒有任何方案。
As late as 30 June last year Anthony CHEUNG still maintained that the Government had no proposal for the immigration control arrangements of XRL
但是，事情接下來的發展，就是這個撒了近10年的謊言"炸開"了香港法治制度的缺口。
However what followed was that such a lie that had been told for almost 10 years ripped open the system of the rule of law in Hong Kong
主席和各位議員，《條例草案》的詳題並無提到上述背景，弁言只提到11月18日和12月27日的事宜。
President and Honourable Members the long title of the Bill does not refer to the said background . The preamble only mentions the matters concluded on 18 November and 27 December
我今天便要"還原"《條例草案》的背景，每一步均"看似"合法而按部就班，但其實每一項操作均凌駕香港特別行政區法律體制，亦即程序違憲。
Today I would return to the context in which the Bill came about . Each step seemed to be lawful and in order but indeed each manoeuvre overrode the legal system of the Hong Kong SAR meaning it was unconstitutional procedure - wise
在中止待續議案的辯論中我已指出，《條例草案》多項條文與《基本法》的規定相違背。
During the debate on the adjournment motion I already pointed out that numerous provisions in the Bill violate the provisions of the Basic Law
根據《基本法》第十一條："香港特別行政區立法機關制定的任何法律，均不得同本法相抵觸。
According to Article 11 of the Basic Law [n]o law enacted by the legislature of the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region shall contravene this Law
"我們強行審議《條例草案》，是有違《基本法》賦予我們的憲制責任。
The forced scrutiny of the Bill by us is in violation of the constitutional obligations entrusted to us by the Basic Law
主席，在辯論中止待續議案時，梁美芬議員曾引用人大常委會就政改釋法及《基本法》中文版的例子，並認為"《決定》的效力等同釋法"。
President during the debate on the adjournment motion Dr Priscilla LEUNG cited NPCSCs interpretation of the Basic Law regarding the constitutional reform and the Chinese version of the Basic Law as examples and held the view that the Decision carries the same effect as an interpretation of the Basic Law
這正正說明內地的政治決定再一次凌駕及蠶食香港的法律制度，亦即朱凱廸議員今早所指的"黨大於法"。
It exactly illustrates that political decisions made by the Mainland have once again overridden and eroded the legal system of Hong Kong as in putting the party before the law suggested by Mr CHU Hoi - dick this morning
許多同事也引用香港大律師公會的意見，指出政府提交《條例草案》完全與《基本法》有所抵觸。
Many Honourable colleagues cited the view of the Hong Kong Bar Association HKBA that the Bill introduced by the Government is in complete violation of the Basic Law
我知道何君堯議員對於引用大律師公會的聲明有強烈意見。
I know that Dr Junius HO holds strong views about quoting the statement of HKBA
他認為大律師公會沒有內地法律專業資格，所以有關批評沒有根據。
He considered HKBA without Mainland legal professional qualifications and so such criticisms are unfounded
他甚至是建制派中唯一議員去信要求修訂法案委員會報告。假如這種說法真的成立，我恐怕他要重新考慮是否支持"一地兩檢"，因為"一言九鼎"的李飛也不是讀法律的。
He was even the only Member in the pro - establishment camp to submit a written request for amending the Bills Committee report
主席，早上當然要叫喚大家回來聽我發言了。
President in the morning I certainly have to summon Members back to the Chamber to listen to my speech
然而，即使我未能參與審議有關的法律問題，我與很多香港市民也清楚明白，《條例草案》在法律依據和憲制基礎上，存有大量不清晰及不理想的地方。
However even though I could not participate in the deliberations of the relevant legal issues I together with many Hong Kong people are fully aware that in respect of the legal justification and constitutional basis of the Bill many areas are still unclear and undesirable
在這項如此重要的《條例草案》，如果政府竟然在基本問題上也犯下錯誤，相信我作為立法會議員，有充分理由要特別謹慎地進行審視。
Given that the Bill is so important if the Government has made mistakes in some fundamental issues I believe that I as a Legislative Council Member have sufficient reasons to examine the Bill in a particularly prudent manner
然而，我留意到，法案委員會的審議過程有別於其他法案委員會，而政府的態度亦相當不合作，有別於它在其他法案委員會的表現。
However I have noticed that the deliberation process of the Bills Committee is different from that of other Bills Committees and the Government has been quite uncooperative a contrast to its attitude towards other Bills Committees
政府當局完全無意因應委員意見修訂《條例草案》，對《條例草案》的涵義和適用範圍的解釋經常不一致，又以"擠牙膏"方式交代運作安排詳情。
The Government has no intention to revise the Bill in response to Members views; it has provided inconsistent explanations of the meaning and scope of application of the Bill and has only given an account of the operation details in a manner like squeezing toothpaste out of a tube
我並非責怪在座的秘書處同事，因我知道審議工作相當費時，我也明白準備會議紀要亦需耗用很多時間。
I would like to declare that I am not blaming the Secretariat staff because I know that the deliberation is very time - consuming and I also understand that it takes a lot of time to prepare the minutes
我提出這事，並非為了"追債"，因為據我理解，官員答覆馬虎，相信立法會秘書處同事在撰寫會議紀要時也無從入手。
I raise this issue not for collecting debts for I learnt that the government officials sloppy responses have made it difficult for Secretariat staff to prepare the minutes
可是，日後當會議紀要備妥後，我相信它是一份歷史紀錄，讓公眾一目了然，得知政府在審議《條例草案》的過程中，一方面製造更多問題和危機，另一方面又迴避處理法律問題。
When the minutes are ready I believe they will serve as historical records which allow the public to see at a glance how the Government had created more problems and crises during the deliberation process of the Bill and how it had evaded handling legal issues
委員在審議過程中，難以跟進上次會議的關注事項，這困難也是大家有目共睹的。
During the deliberation process it was evident to all that it was difficult for members to follow up on their concerns raised at previous meetings
在此期間，主席我不是指大主席你，而是指法案委員會主席葉劉淑儀議員多次劃線，又任意作出時限裁決，扭曲議員問題，經常引導官員作答，陳帆局長當然很高興......
In the course of deliberations the Chairman―I am not referring to the President but the Chairman of the Bills Committee―drew lines repeatedly set time limits arbitrarily distorted members questions and often guided officials replies . Secretary Frank CHAN was certainly pleased
政府雖然知道《條例草案》有極大爭議，卻不考慮延長審議時間，反而主動配合草率審議。
Although the Government knew that the Bill was highly controversial it had not considered extending the deliberation period but took the initiative to tie in with the sloppy deliberations
這種處理《條例草案》的方式，實在有違《內務守則》第21i條有關要充分商議法案的規定。
The handling of the Bill is actually in contravention of rule 21iiii of the House Rules about full deliberation
法案委員會主席只希望盡早通過《條例草案》，即使明知《條例草案》生效後，可能出現民事或刑事法律爭議而引申各種問題，但仍然不容許本會提出相應建議，並阻止法案委員會履行仔細商議《條例草案》條文的責任。
The Chairman of the Bills Committee only wanted the Bill to be passed as soon as possible . Though knowing that various problems might arise from civil or criminal law disputes after the commencement of the Bill she still did not allow members to make corresponding suggestions and hampered the Bills Committee from performing its duties of carefully scrutinizing the provisions of the Bill
最後，立法會如通過這項違反《基本法》的《條例草案》，實有違每位立法會議員就任時的誓言。
Lastly if this Bill which contravenes the Basic Law is eventually passed by the Legislative Council this would violate the oath taken by every Legislative Council Member when they took office
因此，我認為在現階段將《條例草案》中止待續，是臨崖勒馬的做法，亦可以阻止立法會鑄成大錯。
Therefore in my view adjourning the debate on the Bill at this stage is like holding in a horse near a precipice which can prevent the Legislative Council from making a big mistake
但是，事與願違，立法會未有及時監察政府的施政，今天反而要二讀一項存有法律疑點的《條例草案》，變成政府的"啦啦隊"，令我實在愧對選民。
Yet things did not turn out as one wished as the Legislative Council failed to monitor government administration in a timely manner . For this reason even though there are legal doubts the Bill will be read the Second time today turning us into the Governments cheering team . I have really failed my electors
昨天，民主派議員聯署去信主席，表示不滿就《條例草案》辯論設時限。
Yesterday pro - democracy Members sent a jointly - signed letter to the President expressing their dissatisfaction about setting time limit for the debate on the Bill
主席相當有效率，今天立法會會議開始時，議員已經收到經主席指示秘書處作出的回覆。
The President responded efficiently . When the Council meeting started today Members received a reply from the Secretariat as instructed by the President
主席的回覆令我更確信及支持陳淑莊議員提出的中止待續議案。
The Presidents reply made me all the more support Ms Tanya CHANs adjournment motion
主席，我要澄清，我不是質疑你的裁決，而是引用你的裁決進行論證。
President I want to clarify that I do not question your ruling but I just made reference to your ruling in presenting my argument
不論包裝成為引述也好，質疑也好，針對主席的裁決作出討論是不恰當的。
It does not matter whether a comment has been packaged as a quotation or a question it is inappropriate to discuss the Presidents ruling
我要引述主席的覆函，才能說出我支持陳淑莊議員提出的中止待續議案的理據。
I have to quote the Presidents reply before I can explain the reasons why I support Ms Tanya CHANs adjournment motion
"立法會主席的職權亦不包括裁定政府提交的法案是否違反《基本法》"。
The President has also stated that the power of the President of the Legislative Council does not include determining whether a bill introduced by the Government has contravened the Basic Law
主席的確不能裁決法案是否違反《基本法》，但當一項法案的憲制法律地位存疑時，這項法案本身是否合乎規程呢？
Indeed the President cannot determine if a bill has contravened the Basic Law but if there are doubts about the constitutional and legal status of the bill is the bill still in order?
這項不合乎規程的《條例草案》，主席仍然交付本會處理，還搬出似是而非的藉口，賠上立法會的憲制地位及聲譽。
Though this Bill is out of order the President has given paradoxical excuses to allow it to be laid on the table at the expense of the constitutional status and reputation of the Legislative Council
我們是否真的擔當得起？
Can we really afford that?
簡單而言，我覺得當局其實迴避了一項關乎本會立法權限的關鍵權力。
In simple terms I think that the authorities have actually evaded a crucial power of this Council in respect of its legislative authority
根據《基本法》第十一條，香港特別行政區立法機關制定的任何法律，均不得同《基本法》相抵觸。
According to Article 11 of the Basic Law no law enacted by the legislature of the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region shall contravene the Basic Law
事實上，《條例草案》多項條文與《基本法》規定相違背。
In fact many provisions of the Bill have contravened the Basic Law
試問根據《基本法》第十一條，立法會豈會有權力審議《條例草案》？
Does the Legislative Council have the power to scrutinize the Bill in accordance with Article 11 of the Basic Law?
主席，雖然你沒有選民授權，但我有。
President you do not have the electors mandate but I do have
我是在直選下，由很多市民支持進入立法會的，為的是捍衞選民的權利。
I am directly elected by many members of the public to become a member of the Legislative Council to defend electors rights
所以，我今天發言支持陳淑莊議員動議中止待續的議案。
Therefore I speak in support of Ms Tanya CHANs adjournment motion today
主席，我支持將《條例草案》的二讀辯論中止待續，是因為《條例草案》的草擬本身出現重大問題。
President I support the adjournment of the Second Reading debate on the Bill because there are serious problems with the drafting of the Bill
其他議員也批評《條例草案》有很多"創意無限"的法律概念我必須以"創意無限"來形容。
Other Members have also criticized the Bill of having many highly creative legal concepts―I must describe them as highly creative
《條例草案》詳題引申出更多問題。
The long title of the Bill has given rise to more problems
關於《條例草案》第31a條，根據《合作安排》第三條訂明的事項，即屬保留事項。
With regard to clause 31a of the Bill reserved matters are matters specified in Article 3 of the Co - operation Arrangement
其實，我本來提出了修正案，但給主席否決了。
I originally proposed some amendments but they were rejected by the President
政府一廂情願，以為參照《合作安排》的條文便可以理解何謂保留事項，但其實令人更覺複雜，連政府的法律官員亦表示複雜。
The Government has the wishful thinking that people could understand the meaning of reserved matters by making reference to the provisions of the Co - operation Arrangement . However members of the public are even more perplexed even the Governments legal officials have indicated the complexity of the matter
主席，規程問題。
President a point of order
真可笑，反而涂謹申議員聽得清楚。
It is ridiculous; Mr James TO has heard me clearly
請政府到街上問問，有多少市民真的明白現時《合作安排》的內容？
I hope the Government will go out to the street and find out how many people really understand the contents of the Co - operation Arrangement
有多少人真的明白何謂保留事項？
How many people really understand what reserved matters are?
代理主席，有關《廣深港高鐵條例草案》二讀，我當然反對。
Deputy President I certainly oppose the Second Reading of the Guangzhou - Shenzhen - Hong Kong Express Rail Link Co - location Bill the Bill
我不知道我今次發言會否用盡15分鐘，因為我今次發言時，感到有點不太高興。
I do not know if my speech will use up all the 15 minutes because this time when I speak I feel a bit unhappy
作為反對派議員或自認為反對派我們不能只單純反對好像《條例草案》般把香港《基本法》損害至無法彌補的某些條文或法案，我認為更徹底的做法應該是反對在香港興建高鐵。
Being Members of the opposition camp―or claiming to be the opposition camp―we cannot simply oppose certain provisions or Bills which cause irreparable damage to the Basic Law of Hong Kong like the Bill . In my view a more thorough approach is to oppose the construction of XRL in Hong Kong
因為任何政權也很喜歡在自己的管轄地或所在地建立象徵物，尤其是殖民政權會比較看重這種行為。
Because every political regime likes to erect symbols in areas under its jurisdiction or on its own site . Colonial regimes would particularly attach greater importance to such an act
因此，關於第61b條，我回應陸頌雄議員提出的問題，為何泛民主派的議員或沒有人會考慮提出司法覆核？
Hence in relation to clause 61b let me respond to the question asked by Mr LUK Chung - hung . Why did no Member of the pan - democratic camp or no one considers lodging a judicial review?
如果大家真的清晰兼透徹了解第61b條的寫法，便會明白，內地口岸區的管轄權包括司法管轄權，通過《條例草案》把該範圍劃給內地後，即連司法覆核的權力也被褫奪。
If we really have a clear and thorough understanding of the formulation of clause 61b we would realize that jurisdiction in MPA includes jurisdiction of the courts . After that area is designated to the Mainland upon the passage of the Bill that means even the power of judicial review will be taken away
單就這一點而言，我可以很簡單地指出，反對《條例草案》不需要談金錢或將來有多少經濟效益，這些純粹是估算；我們只須討論一個問題：假如內地口岸區有人命傷亡或損失，究竟由誰負責？
As far as this point is concerned I can simply point out that in opposing the Bill we need not talk about money or how much economic benefit there will be in the future . These are just estimates . We need only discuss one question if there is any casualty or damage in MPA who will actually be responsible?
《條例草案》通過後，所有事情也絕對有理說不清。
After the passage of the Bill there will be no way to explain every case clearly
現時西九龍正下大雨，大家都看到車站漏水，如果有任何意外，單是漏水、水浸，究竟由誰清理？
Now it is raining heavily in West Kowloon . We have seen the water leakage in the station . If there is any accident speaking of water leakage and flooding alone who will clear it up?
代理主席，我發言支持由陳淑莊議員提出的中止待續議案。
Deputy President I rise to speak in support of the adjournment motion moved by Ms Tanya CHAN
我反對繼續討論《廣深港高鐵條例草案》，主要理由是今次會議的程序安排絕對不合理，絕對不可接受。
I oppose continuing to discuss the Guangzhou - Shenzhen - Hong Kong Express Rail Link Co - location Bill the Bill mainly for the reason that the procedural arrangement for this meeting is absolutely unreasonable and unacceptable
在進入討論前，我想先清楚解釋我的發言基礎。
Before I proceed with the discussion I would like to first explain the basis for my speech
在這種情況下，立法會主席今次作出決定，限制議員在二讀辯論的發言時間，我認為完全不能接受。
Under such circumstances the decision made by the President of the Legislative Council this time around on setting a limit for the speaking time of a Member at the Second Reading debate is I believe totally unacceptable
我引述立法會主席在6月4日當天向記者說的話："這項《條例草案》只有8項條文，以及24項修正案，我明白這是一項極具爭議的法案，所以我預留了充足的時間，即兩個星期的會議，大約36小時，去完成餘下的立法程序。
Let me quote what the President said to journalists on 4 June The Bill has only eight clauses and 24 amendments . I understand that this Bill is extremely controversial therefore I have reserved sufficient time ie . some 36 hours for meetings of these two weeks to complete the remaining legislative process
"代理主席，相信你也會認為他這句話相當欠邏輯，沒有因果關係。
Deputy President I believe you also consider that his words lack logic and causal relationship
梁君彥議員首先說"明白這是一項極具爭議的法案"，但結論卻是要限時辯論。
While Mr Andrew LEUNG says I understand that this Bill is extremely controversial his conclusion is to set a time limit for the debate
如果是有邏輯的推論，對於一項極具爭議的法案，應該容許議員有足夠、更多時間進行討論，而非限時辯論。
In the case of logical reasoning he should allow Members sufficient or more time for discussing an extremely controversial bill rather than setting a time limit for the debate
他只給予36小時，讓我們審議一項相信在座所有人也認為極具爭議的法案，甚至連法案委員會主席葉劉淑儀議員也知道這是一項極具爭議的法案，並表示從未有那麼多議員參加法案委員會。
He has allocated only 36 hours for us to scrutinize the Bill considered by all Members present to be extremely controversial . Even Mrs Regina IP Chairman of the Bills Committee is well aware that this Bill is extremely controversial in saying that no other Bills Committee has such a large membership
謝偉俊議員，你要求執行《議事規則》第44條，該條規定主席所作決定為最終決定，不容辯論。
Mr Paul TSE you asked me to enforce RoP 44 which provides that the decision of the President shall be final and shall not subject to debate
第二，主席所作的裁決為最終決定。
Second the ruling of the President shall be final
根據本會過往的慣例，議員不得在會議上辯論主席的裁決。
Based on past practices of this Council a Member shall not debate the ruling of the President at a meeting
第二，即使存有疑問，即使主席的決定是最終決定，我們在會議上又可否利用議員的發言時間進行討論？
Second even if there are doubts and the decision of the President is final can Members use their speaking time to discuss such matters?
葉議員，我再次提醒你。根據《議事規則》第44條，主席所作決定為最終決定。
Mr IP I would like to remind you again that pursuant to RoP 44 the decision of the President shall be final
正如你所說，主席就會議規程所作決定為最終決定，這在《議事規則》第44條已清楚訂明。
As you have said the decision of the President on a point of order shall be final . This is clearly stipulated in RoP 44
代理主席，我同意你的安排，你剛才說我可以在其他場合進行討論。我希望稍後通過適當的途徑，讓議事規則委員會能夠就這個問題再進行討論，然後告訴我們，立法會主席在會議上作出的所有決定是否都不能挑戰、不容討論，讓他變成會議內的獨裁者。
Deputy President I accept your arrangement . As you said just now that I can initiate discussions on other occasions I hope that through proper channels the Committee on Rules of Procedure will later hold discussions over this issue and tell us whether all decisions made by the President at the meeting shall not be challenged and discussed thus making him a tyrant in the legislature
我覺得這不應該是《議事規則》的精神。
I think this should not be the spirit of RoP
在立法會主席回覆議員的信件中，他提到會給予足夠時間，但他引述的過去4項法案的審議，我們都看到各有不同的情況。
In his reply to Members the President has stated that sufficient time would be provided and he has cited the scrutiny time for four bills in the past . Yet we have observed different circumstances surrounding the scrutiny of those four bills
所以，我們的發言非常重要，8小時的發言時限令只有約30位議員可以在二讀辯論時發言。
For this reason our speeches are very important . Within the time limit of eight hours only some 30 Members can speak at the Second Reading debate
代理主席，我相信大家都知道，立法會前秘書長吳文華女士編寫了《香港特別行政區立法會歷史、規則及行事方式參考手冊》，當中 提到議會採用兩項大原則：第一，緩和的氣氛，我也希望我們在緩和的氣氛下進行辯論。
Deputy President I believe Members all know that Ms Pauline NG former Secretary General of the Legislative Council Secretariat prepared A Companion to the history rules and practices of the Legislative Council of the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region in which two major principles have been mentioned . First a temper of moderation―I likewise hope that we can engage in a debate with a temper of moderation
現在只有半數議員可以在二讀辯論時發言，但另半數議員不能夠發言，這樣怎能符合本地立法機關奉行了174年的議會精神呢？
Now that only half of all Members can speak at the Second Reading debate and the other half are unable to do so how can we uphold the spirit that the local legislature has followed for 174 years?
實際上，過去很多有爭議法案的二讀辯論時間超越8小時。
In fact the Second Reading of many contentious bills in the past lasted more than eight hours
2010年的《最低工資條例草案》，有40位議員在二讀辯論時發言，辯論由早上11時47分至當晚9時50分，以及翌日早上9時至晚上11時半，合共12.5小時。
In the case of the Minimum Wage Bill in 2010 40 Members spoke at the Second Reading debate which lasted a total of 12.5 hours from 11col47 am to 9col50 pm on the same day and from 9col00 am to 11col30 pm the following day
在1999年審議的《提供市政服務條例草案》，也有35位議員在二讀辯論時發言。
In the case of the Provision of Municipal Services Bill in 1999 35 Members spoke at the Second Reading debate
這清楚說明超過半數議員在二讀辯論時發言的例子比比皆是，今次不會是第一次。
This clearly indicates that there are numerous cases in which more than half of all Members speak at the Second Reading debate . This debate will not be the first one that more than half of the Members will speak
立法會主席的角色就是要在這些方面取得平衡，但現在完全沒有平衡，令人覺得他為了完成政治任務而採取強硬手法。
The President is supposed to play the role of striking a balance in these areas but he has failed to perform giving people the impression that he has adopted a heavy - handed approach for the purpose of accomplishing a political mission