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陳志全議員，我知道現在我們正在討論你提出的議案，但我亦希望你明白，不要經常性將數種不同的邏輯合併。
Mr CHAN Chi - chuen I know that we are discussing the motion proposed by you . Yet I also hope you can learn not to often combine several different kinds of logic
鄭松泰議員昨天說，如果有些非建制派議員支持謝偉俊議員的議案，其實就是認同了這種制度。
Yesterday Dr CHENG Chung - tai said if non - establishment Members should support Mr Paul TSEs motion they would be approving of the system
我希望你們不要被他綁架，這種是"政治綁架"。
I hope you would not be bound by his notion; this is political kidnapping
這種辱國的行為、這種言論的核心，是不能夠掩蓋你們自己另一種政治價值觀。
Such an insult to the country and the core of such comments cannot conceal your other political ideology
如果你們將兩者等同你們時常說我們將事情捆綁，其實不是如果你們將兩者捆綁，反而令你們自己的角色變得模糊。
If you equate the two―you often say we bundle up things indeed not―if you tie the two together what ends up happening will be your roles becoming blurred
我昨天看書，亦聽到一位前輩談論這件事時，提到哈馬斯。
Yesterday while reading a book I stumbled upon Hamas which I also heard about in a discussion with a senior
我沒有離題，我在談論陳志全議員。
I have not strayed from the question . I am talking about Mr CHAN Chi - chuen
他提出來的觀點，我一定要表述背後的原因，即是我剛才談到火箭炮的比喻。
I ought to elaborate on the reasons behind his viewpoints by means of the metaphor of rocket that I have just made
郭家麒議員，我再提醒你，請集中解釋你為何支持或不支持將譴責議案所述的事宜，交付調查委員會處理。
Dr KWOK Ka - ki let me remind you once again to focus on explaining why you support or do not support referring the matter stated in the censure motion to an investigation committee
毛孟靜議員，請你指出你剛才所述的內容，如何與支持或不支持陳志全議員提出的議案有關。
Ms Claudia MO please point out how the remarks you made earlier are related to your support for the motion proposed by Mr CHAN Chi - chuen or otherwise
《2016年仲裁條例草案》。
Arbitration Amendment Bill 2016
根據《釋義及通則條例》就延展於2016年12月7日提交本會省覽的《2016年港口管制規例》的修訂期限而動議的擬議決議案。
Proposed resolution under the Interpretation and General Clauses Ordinance to extend the period for amending the Port Control Amendment Regulation 2016 which was laid on the Table of this Council on 7 December 2016
就着對甘乃威議員所作出的指控，我們發現不同的議員有不同的反應，當時似乎有很多婦女致函立法會作出投訴。
As regards the accusation made of Mr KAM Nai - wai we noticed diverse responses made by different Members . At the time it seemed that many women had sent letters of complaint to the Legislative Council
所以，就立法會會否成立調查委員會，我相信我們應採取很嚴格的標準。
Therefore I believe we ought to adopt very stringent standards to determine whether or not the Legislative Council should set up an investigation committee
調查委員會討論的內容我不再複述，不過，我想告訴大家，其實參與調查的委員，當時抱持非常嚴格的標準，真的不敢怠慢。
I would not repeat the discussion held at the investigation committee but would like to point out that members involved in the investigation had all applied very rigorous standards never daring to have the slightest thought of neglect
所以，我們現在討論是否同意陳志全議員因反對譴責議案而提出的這項議案，的確是第一步。
Therefore we are now discussing whether we agree to Mr CHAN Chi - chuens motion moved to oppose the censure motion which is definitely the first step
正如梁頌恆和游蕙禎當天以"支那"來形容China，他們可能真的認為沒有問題。
Similarly that day Sixtus LEUNG and YAU Wai - ching referred to China with a word pronounced as shina . Perhaps they genuinely did not consider it a problem
國旗是國家尊嚴的問題。
The national flag is a matter of national dignity
因為以中國來說，主權是一個很艱難、很辛苦才能獲取的東西。
It is because as far as China is concerned sovereignty is something secured after onerous efforts
中國一直經歷四分五裂，被人侵佔，所以為甚麼說"支那"會引起那麼大的反應，因為這詞語反映了我們民族一段很痛苦的歷史，令人想起中國是一個很苦難的國家。
China had been divided and occupied and this explains why shina had created such strong reactions as the word reflects a painful episode in the history of our people reminding us that China was a suffering country
因此，不單是政府，其實全國人民對於國旗也十分珍惜。
Therefore not just the Government all the people cherish the national flag very much
主席，我支持陳志全議員動議"不得就謝偉俊議員動議的譴責議案再採取任何行動"的議案。
President I support the motion moved by Mr CHAN Chi - chuen that no further action shall be taken on the censure motion moved by Mr Paul TSE
主席，我剛才聽到周浩鼎議員慷慨陳詞，表示謝偉俊議員提出的議案是一面"照妖鏡"，照出誰是人、誰是鬼。
President earlier on I heard Mr Holden CHOWs passionate speech . He said that Mr Paul TSEs motion is a demon - revealing mirror which can tell who are humans and who are demons
事實上，如果從這個論點來說，很多議案在議會既有人贊成，也有人反對。例如，我們曾經提出議案討論應否成立專責委員會，調查梁振英收取UGL利益的貪污事件，最終有人贊成，也有人反對。
In fact if we follow this argument since many motions in this Council are either supported or opposed by Members such as the motion proposed to discuss whether a select committee should be set up to investigate the incident of corruption of LEUNG Chun - ying in receiving benefits from UGL which eventually had its supporters and critics does it mean that Members who support the motion are humans whereas those who oppose it are demons?
不過，即使我不認同鄭松泰議員這個行為，也不等於我會支持謝偉俊議員就這件事作出譴責。
Having said that even though I do not support this behaviour of Dr CHENG Chung - tai it does not mean that I support Mr Paul TSEs proposal for censuring him for his acts in this incident because I think this is no ordinary censure and no ordinary criticism
縱使鄭松泰議員的行為並不恰當，但我實在看不到他這種不恰當行為的程度，屬於嚴重至需要剝奪他的立法會議員資格。
Despite the impropriety of Dr CHENG Chung - tai I really cannot see that his behaviour was so improper to the extent that he should be disqualified from office of a Member of the Legislative Council
我反而認為，我們不應該就着這種不檢點或不恰當的行為，提升至意識形態或政治問題的鬥爭或批鬥。
Rather I think this disorderly or improper behaviour should not be escalated to an ideological or political fight or struggle
主席，謝偉俊議員提出譴責議案，我相信有兩個主要原因。
President I think Mr Paul TSE has proposed a censure motion for two main reasons
第一，他認為鄭松泰議員的行為違反了在立法會作出的誓言，特別是效忠中華人民共和國香港特別行政區和維護《基本法》。
First he holds that Dr CHENG Chung - tais behaviour was in breach of the oath taken by him in the Legislative Council especially his pledges to swear allegiance to the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region of the Peoples Republic of China and uphold the Basic Law
當然，主席，我知道你會指出這不屬於我們今天討論的事項，如果真的要討論，應該留待將來成立調查委員會後再討論。
Of course President I know that you may say this is not within the scope of our discussion today and if this really has to be discussed we should leave it to the investigation committee to be set up in future
不過，如果我要反對謝偉俊議員的議案，並支持陳志全議員的議案，我便一定要解釋。
However as I oppose Mr Paul TSEs motion but support Mr CHAN Chi - chuens motion I must give an explanation in this connection
這是一項十分嚴重的指控，我們不能輕率處理這件事，特別是有意見認為他把國旗或區旗倒轉擺放，便等於違反誓言，我認為理據實在不足夠。
It is a very serious allegation which we cannot deal with rashly especially as there is the view that the inversion of the national flags or regional flags by him is equivalent to a breach of the oath and this I think lacks sufficient justification
同時，另一個最重要的問題是，在執行這兩項法例方面，究竟立法會是否有權力執行該等法例呢？
Meanwhile there is another question which is most important . Concerning the enforcement of these two ordinances does the Legislative Council have the power to enforce them?
因此，主席，我想在此重申，我並不認同鄭松泰議員的行為，我亦並非要在這裏為他辯護、維護他這種不恰當的行為，我是不想這樣做的。
Therefore President I wish to reiterate here that I do not approve of the behaviour of Dr CHENG Chung - tai and I am not making a defence for him; nor am I trying to shield his improper behaviour . This is not my intention
可是，我期望議會不要成為一個盲目的政治鬥爭和打壓場地，因為一名議員是由很多選民投票選出，才可以成為議員。
However I hope that this Council will not become a venue for blind political struggles and suppression because a Member is returned by the votes of many voters and this is how a Member is qualified from office
我現在向各位提出的待議議題是：《2016年仲裁條例草案》，予以二讀。
I now propose the question to you and that is That the Arbitration Amendment Bill 2016 be read the Second time
可惜王國興議員不在，否則他又會說我們浪費了一千數百罐午餐肉。
It is a pity that Mr WONG Kwok - hing is not here . Otherwise he would again comment that we have wasted some 1 000 cans of luncheon meat
很可惜，他不在，只有他懂得以午餐肉來代表我們的時間。
What a pity he is not here! . Only he knows how to use luncheon meat to represent our time
無論如何，那不是光彩的行為，而且我留意到，如果我們很尊重我們的區旗和國旗，其實甚少會擺放縮小了的、通常只是作為玩意的旗子。
No matter what that was not an honourable act . Moreover I have noticed that if we greatly respect our regional and national flags we would seldom display flags of a reduced size which are usually treated as mere toys
嚴格來說，這破壞了立法會的莊嚴，不過既然做了便算。
Strictly speaking this has undermined the solemnity of the Legislative Council but now that it was done let it be
我的發言不等於我贊同鄭松泰議員碰別人的東西。
That I have risen to speak does not mean I approve of Dr CHENG Chung - tai touching other peoples stuff . Simply put he inverted other peoples articles
他以"小學雞"來形容此事，我不敢否認，這也是很多人的看法，但為何要引用《議事規則》？
I dare not deny it . It is also the view of many people . But why does he need to invoke the Rules of Procedure RoP?
為何要譴責這位議員？
Why does he have to censure this Member?
他自己在這件事情上是否也是"小學雞"？
Is he himself being puerile too in this matter?
他是否也在告訴大家，他的判斷力有問題？
Is he telling us there is something wrong with his judgment?
代理主席，其實我正在討論陳志全議員的反對......
Deputy President actually I am discussing Mr CHAN Chi - chuens opposition
由於陳志全議員的反對議案是建基於謝偉俊議員提出的議案，所以我無法不提及此事，因為這是起源。
since Mr CHAN Chi - chuens opposition motion is based on the motion proposed by Mr Paul TSE I cannot but mention this matter because the latter is the cause
如果謝偉俊議員沒有提出議案，我相信陳志全議員便無需反對不存在的事情，所以代理主席，真的不好意思，我仍要繼續說我們為何不能認同此事。
Had Mr Paul TSE not proposed his motion I believe Mr CHAN Chi - chuen would not have found it necessary to oppose something which did not exist . Hence Deputy President I am really sorry that I have to continue to explain why we cannot approve of this matter
不過，我留意到近年，不單在香港，在全世界很多地方，人民對國旗都有一些不同的看法，甚至在一些極為民主的地方，例如美國和英國，在政府行事不合理的情況下，市民亦會燒毀自己國家的國旗，但他們當然不會被捉去槍斃，不會受到這麼嚴厲的懲罰。
Nevertheless I have noticed that in recent years people have different views on national flags not only in Hong Kong but also in many places around the world . In extremely democratic places such as the United States and the United Kingdom some people will even burn their own national flags when their Government has acted unreasonably . Yet certainly they will not be caught and executed by a firing squad
不過，在我們的祖國，一個比較專權的政府對國旗甚為緊張，我是不會怪責的，但政府怎樣行事，人民就會怎樣對待它，這是很清楚的。
In our Motherland however a relatively despotic government is rather sensitive about the national flag . I will not blame it but how the people treat their government depends on the way the latter acts . This is quite obvious
在這種情況下，要我們堅持尊重某種體制，有點兒本末倒置。
Under such circumstances it is kind of putting the cart before the horse to ask us to uphold respect for a certain regime
當我們享有自由民主，香港真正能"一人一票"選出行政長官，全體立法會議員均由民選產生，我們沒有一個鳥籠式的民主，香港真的沒有受到國內不同政府官員插手干預"一國兩制"、"港人治港"時，我們怎會不對國旗和區旗予以最高的尊敬？
When we enjoy freedom and democracy Hong Kong people can truly elect the Chief Executive by one person one vote all Members of the Legislative Council are returned by direct elections we do not have birdcage democracy and the principles of one country two systems and Hong Kong people ruling Hong Kong are indeed free from any intervention by different government officials in China how will we not give our highest respect to the national and regional flags?
因為我們現正討論為何可以對鄭松泰議員的行為處以所謂極刑。
Because now we are discussing why Dr CHENG Chung - tais behaviour deserves the so - called ultimate punishment
因此，大家今天應投票支持我提出的"不得就謝偉俊議員動議的譴責議案再採取任何行動"的議案。
Hence today Members should vote for the motion proposed by me that is no further action shall be taken on the censure motion moved by Mr Paul TSE
如果我的議案獲得通過，即沒有事情發生，議會可以重回正軌，繼續開會議事，討論民生議題。
If my motion is passed it means nothing has ever happened and this Council will get back onto the right track to continue with the proceedings to discuss livelihood subjects
鄭松泰議員於上星期向全體議員發出了一封信，我引述部分重要內容。
Last week Dr CHENG Chung - tai issued a letter to all Members of the Legislative Council and I will quote an important part of the content of his letter
他指出，"律政司就多名議員的議員資格提出司法覆核，謝偉俊議員竟然在議會內主動配合鬥爭政敵，向大陸表忠，踐踏議會尊嚴。
He pointed out to the effect that While the Department of Justice applied for a judicial review against the qualification of a number of Members Mr Paul TSE has outrageously taken the initiative to collaborate in the legislature to denounce his political enemies as an act to show loyalty to the Mainland trampling on the dignity of the legislature
此事先例一開，後患無窮。
This practice will set a precedent and open a Pandoras box of endless troubles
若然議案獲得通過，諸位他日亦將成為政治鬥爭下的犧牲品，選民的政治權利將被無理剝奪。
If the motion is passed you will all become sacrifices of political struggles one day whereas electors will be unreasonably deprived of their political rights
" 我當然認同鄭松泰議員信中所說的論點，否則我今天亦不會提出"不得就謝偉俊議員動議的譴責議案再採取任何行動"的議案。
I definitely agree with the argument advanced by Dr CHENG Chung - tai in his letter otherwise I will not have proposed the motion that no further action shall be taken on the censure motion moved by Mr Paul TSE today
對於謝偉俊議員提出這項議案，我認為他是小事化大、小題大做，甚至是上綱上線，我只能用"假大空"這3個字來形容。
As for the motion proposed by Mr Paul TSE I think he is making a mountain out of a molehill by escalating the issue to the political plane . I can only describe his action with three words fabrication exaggeration and imagination
他以一個假的指控，透過誇大鄭松泰議員的行為，以他的空想堆砌出一些理據，以求根據《基本法》第七十九條第七項通過議案，褫奪鄭松泰議員的席位，最終令議會甚至社會進一步撕裂。
His allegation is a mere fabrication originating from his exaggeration of Dr CHENG Chung - tais action and justified by his mere imagination . All of these are done to ensure that the motion moved under Article 797 of the Basic Law can be passed to disqualify Dr CHENG Chung - tai from his office of Member of the Legislative Council which will push the legislature and society further apart
此舉對建制派甚至是政府及各界人士表示要凝聚共識，要令議會重回正軌並繼續議事的說法毫無幫助。
The pro - establishment camp as well as the Government and various sectors have expressed the hope to foster a consensus to bring the legislature back onto the right track to continue with the work of the legislature yet the present action is in no way conducive to the fulfilment of this target
如果我們可以客觀地看看當天的經過，便知道為何我說謝偉俊議員正製造一個偽命題，提出假指控。
If we can look at the course of events on that day objectively Members will know why I say Mr Paul TSE is making up a false proposition and false allegations
不過，謝偉俊議員後來引述《國旗及國徽條例》第8條，指複製本不一定要完全符合標準，只要"其相似程度足以使人相信"便可以。
Mr Paul TSE later invoked section 8 of the National Flag and National Emblem Ordinance stating that a copy so closely resembles the national flag or national emblem as to lead to the belief that the copy in question is the national flag or national emblem will be taken as the national flag or national emblem and he concluded that a copy of the national flag or emblem did not have to comply with all the specifications
我要指出的第二點是，當天建制派集體離場，目的是發動流會，即他們不會在立法會會議期間重返會議廳開會，這是事實。
The second point I have to raise is about the withdrawal en masse of the pro - establishment Members from the meeting on that day . Their move sought to set off an aborted meeting which meant they would not return to the Chamber during the Council meeting . This is the fact
過去，有很多同事會把不同的展示品放在桌面或案頭，而當時的主席或現任主席梁君彥議員均會告訴議員，最佳的做法是在他們發言時才把示威物品或展示品放置在案頭。
In the past many colleagues would place objects for display on their tables or desks and the incumbent President would tell Members that the best practice was to place the object for protest or display on their desks when it was their turn to speak and this is also the approach adopted by the current President
假如大家都同意建制派議員實質上已把那兩支小旗或展示品棄置在立法會會議廳，那麼鄭松泰議員怎樣處置有關物品已經沒甚麼關係。
If Members agree that Members from the pro - establishment camp had discarded the two little flags or the objects displayed in the Chamber of the Legislative Council it would not be of concern what Dr CHENG Chung - tai had done to those objects
可能在數年後，他的政敵可以利用此事來攻擊他，這應交由選民決定，但在議會內，我們極為重視民選議員在這裏的地位，而他的地位不容挑戰，因為如果我們連這也挑戰，基本上，立法會的組合便不能存在。
Perhaps a few years later his political opponents may use this incident to attack him . This decision should be left to the voters . In the Council however we attach paramount importance to the position of an elected Member
大家不要忘記，今天的立法會已經是不公義的立法會，半數議席由功能界別議員佔據，他們代表甚麼人呢？
Please do not forget that today the Legislative Council is already full of injustice . Half of the seats are occupied by Members of functional constituencies . Who do they represent?
我們沒有人有資格代選民決定鄭松泰議員的命運。
None of us is qualified to determine on behalf of voters Dr CHENG Chung - tais fate . We may disapprove of his act
如果我們今天容許此事發生，即沒有在議事堂履行我們的職責，這是為何我們要支持陳志全議員的最重要原因。
This is unacceptable . If we allow this today that means we have not honoured our duty in the Chamber . This is the most important reason why we should support Mr CHAN Chi - chuen
鄭松泰議員作出這種行為是不智的，當然他有權這樣做，但這樣做只會將自己在議會內可行使的合理權利收窄。
It was unwise of Dr CHENG Chung - tai to act in that manner . Of course he has the right to do so but such an act will only reduce the legitimate rights which he may exercise in the Council
細心想想，這樣做只會導致無日無之的政治打壓，在立法會內不斷發生。
Think about it carefully . Such an act will only give rise to endless continued political suppression in the Legislative Council
當我們的祖國已經沒有民主政體，當香港有的只是半生不熟、半數議席由功能界別佔據的立法會，若我們還要在這裏極力打壓民選議員，我覺得這是不能接受的。
When there is no democratic political system on our Motherland when the Hong Kong Legislative Council is still immature with half of the seats occupied by functional constituencies I consider it unacceptable for us to go so far as to suppress an elected Member here
不要怪責有些人把所有事都視作有組織的政治打壓行動，因為此事再加上宣誓事件，全部做法均是希望利用一切手段來剝奪選民的選擇。
Please do not blame some people for regarding everything as organized political suppression because all actions taken in this case coupled with the oath - taking incident seek to denigrate by every means the choice made by voters
所以，說到這裏，我們不可能接受謝偉俊議員的議案，我唯有支持陳志全議員的議案。
Hence in conclusion it is impossible for us to accept Mr Paul TSEs motion . I can only support Mr CHAN Chi - chuens motion
多謝主席的提示，我已經盡量說得簡單的了。
President thanks for your reminder . I have been trying to make it as simple as possible
畢竟我要說服大家今天投下贊成票，支持我提出的議案，就是"不得就謝偉俊議員動議的譴責議案再採取任何行動"。
After all I have to persuade Members to vote for the motion proposed by me today that is no further action shall be taken on the censure motion moved by Mr Paul TSE
只要我可以說服大家，大家便會支持我，那麼本會便不用浪費更多的時間來處理接下來的程序。
Only if I can persuade Members to support me this Council will not have to spend additional time to proceed with the subsequent procedures
那警方有否拘捕或檢控鄭松泰議員呢？
Have the Police arrested or initiated charges against Dr CHENG Chung - tai?
我們就財政預算案提出的修正案的辯論是有益的，例如可向政府施壓、令市民更清楚議案內容，但謝偉俊議員今天提出的議案，我認為並無任何助益。
Debates arising from the amendments proposed by us on the budget were beneficial for they may exert pressure on the Government and allow the public to know the content of the motion clearly . However I do not think the motion proposed by Mr Paul TSE today will bring any benefit
我知道在謝議員提出議案後，部分建制派議員也不是特別想支持。
I know that after Mr Paul TSE had proposed his motion some of the Members from the pro - establishment camp were not eager to show their support
其實，按照他上綱上線的說法，不論是把國旗收起或放下也是違反國旗法。
Actually according to their overstating presentation it is a violation of the national flag law no matter the national flag is recovered or lowered
誠然，有人對鄭松泰議員或有不同看法，但我想點出一個事實，就是在參選立法會選舉期間，他毫不猶豫地簽署確認書，確認自己擁護《基本法》如與謝偉俊議員相比，也不知究竟誰更早簽署確認書。
Honestly some people may think differently about Dr CHENG Chung - tai . However I would like to point out the fact that when he stood for the election of the Legislative Council he had signed the confirmation form without any doubt to confirm he would uphold the Basic Law . And I wonder if it was Mr Paul TSE or Dr CHENG who had signed the confirmation earlier
此外，他在選舉宣傳物上清楚表明要永續《基本法》，可見他對《基本法》的擁護和忠誠。
Moreover in the promotion materials for the election Dr CHENG has stated clearly his support for sustaining the Basic Law which is evident that he upholds and is loyal to the Basic Law
一個沒有表明會永遠支持《基本法》的人，如今竟指責一個要求永續《基本法》的人對《基本法》、對中華人民共和國不忠誠，違反誓言，我認為這是非常荒謬的。
A person who has not stated his continued support for the Basic Law is now accusing a person who has been advocating the sustaining of the Basic Law for being disloyal to the Basic Law and the Peoples Republic of China and violating his oath . I think this is utterly ludicrous
再者，謝偉俊議員指鄭松泰議員倒插"旗仔"的動機是侮辱國旗，這全是他的臆測。
Moreover Mr Paul TSE said that Dr CHENG Chung - tais motive of inverting the little flags was to insult the national flag yet it is merely his conjecture
由始至終，鄭松泰議員都忠於中華人民共和國香港特別行政區，如果要比試誰更忠心，他們便要再找機會比一下。
From the very beginning till the end Dr CHENG Chung - tai is loyal to the Peoples Republic of China and the SAR . To tell who is more loyal they have to find an opportunity to draw a comparison
現階段我想說的是，如果大家支持我的議案，便等於甚麼事都沒發生過，謝偉俊議員的議案會自動消失，我們也能重回正軌，繼續利用珍貴的議會時間討論更多政府政策、民生政策，繼續議事，不再製造更多爭拗，上綱上線。
At the present stage I would like to say that if Members support my motion it means nothing has ever happened . By then Mr Paul TSEs motion will disappear automatically and this Council will be back on the right track . We will continue to spend the precious time of this Council on discussions about government policies and initiatives affecting peoples livelihood
他們一直說要和諧，不要搞分裂，不要搞對抗，但提出譴責議案或支持譴責議案的人，似乎正與他們所說的大原則背道而馳。
We will proceed with the Councils business and there will be no more disputes and overstatement . They always claim to aspire to harmony and urge others not to provoke division and opposition yet the mover of the censure motion and those supporters of it seem to be acting against this primary principle they claim to uphold
我謹此陳辭，希望大家支持我提出的"不得就謝偉俊議員動議的譴責議案再採取任何行動"......
With these remarks I urge Members to support the motion that no further action shall be taken on the censure motion moved by Mr Paul TSE
主席，多謝今天總共有26位議員曾經就我提出的議案發言，當中有18位建制派議員，其實我想就其中多位議員的發言回應，但我只有15分鐘時間，未必能夠逐一回應。
President I am grateful that 26 Members in total have spoken on the motion proposed by me today . Eighteen of them are Members of the pro - establishment camp . Actually I wish to respond to a number of their speeches but since I have only 15 minutes I may not be able to respond to them one by one
如果我決定不回來開會，我當然會拿走我的東西。
If I decided not to return to a meeting I will certainly take away my stuff
何俊賢議員發言批評的其中一項邏輯，是有議員表示主席那天已對鄭松泰議員作出懲罰或裁決，不應再罰，他不認同這種邏輯。
In Mr Steven HOs speech he criticized among others the logic put forward by some Members that since the President already imposed a punishment or ruling on Dr CHENG Chung - tai that day no more punishment should be inflicted . He did not agree to such logic
他更舉例說在橫洲發展的事宜上，顧問公司挪用政府的研究資料，被罰"停賽"3個月，我們就大興問罪之師，指懲罰太輕。
He further illustrated that in the case of the Wang Chau development when the consultancy was banned from participating in government tenders for three months as penalty for it using the Governments research information without authorization we voiced a scathing outcry that the penalty was too lenient
是的，如果何俊賢議員提出引用《立法會條例》進行調查，我一定會支持，從而研究對這間顧問公司的懲罰是否太輕。
That is right . If Mr Steven HO proposes invoking the Legislative Council Ordinance to conduct an investigation I will definitely render it my support in order to examine whether the penalty for this consultancy firm is too lenient
其實，我希望大家弄清楚一件事。
Actually I hope Members will appreciate one point
我剛才聽到謝偉俊議員及張國鈞議員等建制派議員其實也有以這方式思考，得出的結論是，可能這真是一把機關槍，但我們現在實在沒有其他方法。
As I heard just now Members of the pro - establishment camp like Mr Paul TSE and Mr CHEUNG Kwok - kwan actually also think in this way . The conclusion drawn by them is that this may indeed be a machine gun but we really have no other options now
怎樣不了了之呢？
How would it fizzle out?
如果那些是國旗，展示它們的議員其實可能已觸犯法例。
If they are national flags Members who displayed them might have actually broken the law
多謝謝偉俊議員指出，根據《國旗及國徽條例》第4條，"不得展示或使用破損、污損、褪色或不合規格的國旗或國徽。
I thank Mr Paul TSE for pointing out that according to section 4 of the National Flag and National Emblem Ordinance A national flag or a national emblem which is damaged defiled faded or substandard must not be displayed or used
同樣道理，鄭松泰議員的作為至今仍未有刑事後果，仍未跟進，謝偉俊議員卻可以引用《議事規則》和《基本法》第七十九條第七項下的程序，交付予調查委員會處理。
By the same logic so far Dr CHENG Chung - tais behaviour has not entailed any criminal consequences and has not been followed up yet Mr Paul TSE can invoke the procedure under RoP and Article 797 of the Basic Law to refer the matter to an investigation committee . President as such please be prepared to face more challenges
那麼，立法會究竟要成立多少個調查委員會才可行？
In that case how many investigation committees will the Legislative Council need to set up?
廖長江議員指我們在辯論時，對於鄭松泰議員的行為極不檢點，迴避不談，因為根據《基本法》第七十九條第七項，若議員行為不檢，是可以啟動程序的。
Mr Martin LIAO alleged that we had evaded talking about Dr CHENG Chung - tais grossly disorderly conduct during the debate because under Article 797 of the Basic Law the procedure can be initiated should Members have any misbehaviour