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主席，我首先要感謝朱凱廸議員根據《議事規則》第881條動議議案，雖然我最後未必可以投票支持，但我相信反對在西九龍站實施"一地兩檢"的市民及傳媒朋友會明白朱凱廸議員用心良苦。
President first of all I have to thank Mr CHU Hoi - dick for moving this motion under Rule 881 of the Rules of Procedure RoP . Although eventually I may not vote in support of the motion I believe that members of the public and of the press who oppose the implementation of the co - location arrangement at the West Kowloon Station will understand the good intention of Mr CHU Hoi - dick
主席，我暫時未能支持此項議案。
President up till now I cannot support this motion
第一，立法會會議應確保及尊重公眾及傳媒的知情權。
First the Council meetings should safeguard and respect the right to know of members of the public and of the press
餘下的會議程序是各位司局長的答辯，之後就會進行表決。
As for the remaining procedure of the meeting the Secretary of Department and Directors of Bureaux will respond after which the motion will be put to vote
如果通過這項議案，我不知道日後會否公開政府官員的發言紀錄，以及會否公開哪位議員最後投甚麼票和投票結果？
If the motion is passed I do not know whether the speeches of public officers will be made public and whether the voting of each Member and the voting results will be announced publicly
然而，經考慮後，我認為一項涉及如此重大公眾利益的議案的最關鍵過程，包括政府的回應和議員的投票結果，公眾及傳媒應該在場聆聽。
Nevertheless after consideration I think members of the public and of the press should stay in the Chamber to witness the most critical process of such a motion which involves significant public interests including the replies of the Government and the voting results of Members
即使最後公布結果，也不太理想。
It will not be desirable if the voting results are to be published later
有訊號為何還要記者在場？
Why should reporters be present even when there is transmission of live - broadcast signals?
所以，如果傳媒及公眾在場監察議會過程，大家分工合作，便能讓公眾發揮對議會運作的最大知情權。
Thus if members of the press and of the public can monitor the proceedings in the galleries and do their part the right to know of the public can be realized to its fullest
政府可能有這些資料，但不會交給我們，最後也不會公開一些數字，說高鐵的效益原來是這樣，以說服我們支持議案。
The Government may have such information but it will not provide to us . In the end it will not disclose figures showing the benefits of Guangzhou - Shenzhen - Hong Kong Express Rail Link to convince Members to support its motion
整項"一地兩檢"的辯論只涉及《基本法》的演繹及法例的問題，不涉及機密文件。
The entire motion on the co - location arrangement only involves the interpretation of the Basic Law and the laws but not confidential documents
代理主席，我發言反對政府就廣深港高鐵"一地兩檢"提出的議案。
Deputy President I speak in opposition to the motion moved by the Government regarding the co - location arrangement for the Guangzhou - Shenzhen - Hong Kong Express Rail Link XRL
我最讚賞主席的黨友黃定光議員，他最誠實。
I would like to commend Mr WONG Ting - kwong the Presidents party member for his honesty
他在幾小時前中場休息時對我說："'細佬'，你這樣是不對的，'又食又拎'，反對就不要去乘坐高鐵。
During the intermission a few hours ago he said to me Man it is not right for you to do so . You are gaining double benefits . If you are against XRL you should not travel by it
"他終於說出重點，怪不得，這就是中共邏輯、土共邏輯。
He finally pointed out the salient point . I am not surprised . This is the logic of the Chinese Communists and local communists
可能因為他們無法說出真正的道理，唯有搬出這些似是而非的指控。
Perhaps they are unable to speak the truth and so they have to make such paradoxical accusations against us
他們又以不能類比，或以偷換概念的方式來作比較，難道香港市民反對在西九龍站實施"一地兩檢"，便無權踏足中國，無權乘坐高鐵？
They can only make a comparison with false analogy or switch concepts . Can they say that Hong Kong people who oppose the co - location arrangement at the West Kowloon Station have no right to go to China or travel by XRL?
至於政府今次提出在西九龍站實施"一地兩檢"的做法，代理主席，剛才多位同事已提過，政府手法粗暴、不合理、資料不足、不盡不實，甚至隱瞞事實，有動機地誤導公眾。
As regards the Governments proposal to implement the co - location arrangement at the West Kowloon Station Deputy President many colleagues have criticized the Government for being high - handed and unreasonable withholding information not giving the full picture or even concealing some of the facts to purposely mislead the public
這幾天我們已說到口乾，我不明白為何建制派的同事仍是不記得，或聽不明，就連剛卸任的張炳良局長，即陳帆局長之前一任的局長，亦跟立法會說有關安排仍未敲定。
We have repeatedly talked about these facts in the past few days and I do not understand why the pro - establishment colleagues still cannot recollect or do not understand . Even former Secretary Anthony CHEUNG who just departed from office ie . the predecessor of Secretary Frank CHAN also told the Legislative Council that the arrangement was not finalized yet
當然，政府亦有另一種說法，是時間因素。
Of course the Government has made another point which is the time factor
政府經常說48分鐘可以到達廣州南，但那處不是廣州市中心。
The Government always claims that it takes 48 minutes to reach Guangzhou South yet that is not the city centre of Guangzhou
代理主席，剛才有同事提到公眾諮詢的問題。
Deputy President some colleagues mentioned public consultation just now
坦白說，我認為我們已很公道，沒有說我們一面倒獲得多數市民支持。
Honestly we consider ourselves very fair . We did not say we had the publics overwhelming support
換一個角度看，這方案在社會引起嚴重爭議。
From another perspective this proposal has stirred up great controversy in society
在這情況下，我相信任何一個負責任的政府，都不會強硬地不理會四成多市民的反對意見。
Under such circumstances I believe that any responsible government will not firmly refuse to take into account the opposing views of more than 40 % of the public
你也知道，市民反高鐵示威時，社會其實面對另一場爭議，但你不要誤會這兩批人是完全相同的。
You may also be aware that when people protested against the construction of XRL back then the whole community was faced with another dispute . But you should not wrongly think that the two groups of people are identical
如果作最壞打算，即西九龍站不實施"一地兩檢"，而改為在福田站實施"一地兩檢"，受影響的是18,600人，約佔整體乘客人數17%，而短途客則佔整體人數約83%，他們在福田附近下車。
In the worst case scenario that is if the co - location arrangement is not implemented at the West Kowloon Station but at the Futian Station 18 600 passengers about 17 % of all passengers will be affected . Short - haul passengers represent 83 % and they will all get off in the vicinity of Futian
代理主席，我覺得我們的爭論好像失去了焦點。
Deputy President I think our arguments have lost the focus
建制派很多時不理會基本實際情況和數字，只是基於政治立場，抹黑反對派的同事，並且誤導公眾。
The pro - establishment camp very often ignores the real situation and data . They only smear the opposition colleagues based on their political position and they also mislead the public
如果大家稍為參看一下基本資料和數據，便可能得出一個截然不同的結論。
If people only a little attention to the basic information and data they will arrive at a totally different conclusion
這樣也還不要緊，我剛才聽到黃國健議員剛剛發言說，其實很多事情議員是代表民意的他的用字是這樣的："我們是不需要直接面對市民作出諮詢"我真的很驚訝，一位民選議員竟可 說這種話。
It does not really matter but when Mr WONG Kwok - kin spoke on the point about how Members represented public opinions on many issues he used the following wordings to express his views there is no need for us to consult the public directly . I am really shocked at hearing such remarks from an elected Member
據他所言，他是代表民意的，他為市民作決定，在一些有重大分歧的事情上，好像"一地兩檢"這些議案，無需直接面對市民。
According to him since he represents public opinions and makes decisions on behalf of the people he need not face the public directly when dealing with issues carrying divergent views such as this motion on the co - location arrangement
他會否感到愧對自己的選民？
Would he feel that he has failed to live up to the expectation of his voters?
他有否給予對他有期望的市民任何尊重？
Has he ever shown respect for those who have expectation of him?
他們竟說自己代表民意。
Yet they can go so far as to brag that they represent public opinions
不論他有多大的民族復興的夢、要如何表忠，如何渴望兩地能接軌，都必先要解決這些長遠的技術問題，因為這些問題將對香港未來的發展有着深遠的影響，包括我們能否落實《基本法》、"港人治港"、"一國兩制"、"高度自治"這些原則。
No matter how big his dream of national rejuvenation is how he wants to express loyalty and how eager he wishes to link up Hong Kong with the Mainland we must first resolve these long term technical problems because they will have far - reaching implications on the future development of Hong Kong including whether we can uphold the Basic Law and the principles of Hong Kong people administering Hong Kong one country two systems and a high degree of autonomy
我想說，真正扭曲民意的，是我們的政制本身、是立法會功能界別的小圈子選舉。
I want to say that what really distort public opinions are our constitutional system and the small circle elections in functional constituencies of the Legislative Council
輕者，想必是香港人對法制的堅持、對《基本法》賦予我們的權利的堅持和"一國兩制"的基本原則了。
On the other hand what they consider less important may possibly be Hong Kong peoples firm commitment to safeguarding our legal system and our rights under the Basic Law as well as the basic principle of one country two systems
不過，具體而言，客觀的事實是，民意非常兩極化，無論是支持抑或反對政府現時的議案的市民均為數甚多。
However specifically it is an objective fact that there is a polarization of views and both the supporters and opponents of the Governments motion are huge in number
政府能否在如此巨大的反對聲音中，仍要強行在立法會通過有關議案？
Can the Government still force through its proposal and have its motion passed in the Legislative Council when there is such a strong opposition voice in society?
它是否恃着有建制派作為其執政聯盟，一定有足夠票數獲得通過，因此便膽敢提交立法會，卻偏沒勇氣就這方案進行全民諮詢，更沒勇氣出席任何一場由學生舉辦的公開論壇呢？
Is it because the Government is backed up by the governance coalition established with the pro - establishment camp and is confident of securing enough votes to have its motion passed that it dares to introduce it into the Legislative Council? . Yet it does not even have the courage to consult all Hong Kong people on its proposal and attend a single forum organized by our students
民主黨曾在不同的場合表示，要是政府肯作出讓步，願意考慮其他方案，立法會便會有討論空間，但政府偏要"霸王硬上弓"。
The Democratic Party has already made it clear on various occasions that if the Government is willing to compromise and consider other options there will be room for discussion in the Legislative Council but the Government insists on forcing its way through
回到"一地兩檢"方案本身，其實最大的問題關乎《基本法》第二十條及第十八條。
Let me go back to the co - location arrangement . The biggest problem actually lies in the application of Article 20 and Article 18 of the Basic Law
香港人看得很清楚，很多法律學者和專家亦曾指出，《基本法》第十八條提及的全國性法律，除列於附件三的法律外，不在香港特別行政區施行。
Hong Kong people understand very well the provisions under these Articles and many legal scholars and experts have also pointed out that as stipulated in Article 18 of the Basic Law national laws shall not be applied in the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region HKSAR except for those listed in Annex III
任何列入附件三的法律，只限於有關國防、外交和其他按《基本法》規定不屬於香港特別行政區自治範圍的法律。
Laws listed in Annex III shall be confined to those relating to defence and foreign affairs as well as other matters outside the limits of the autonomy of HKSAR as specified by the Basic Law
但政府偏偏引用《基本法》第二十條設立合作協議，若按照這種邏輯，《基本法》第二十條便可凌駕整部《基本法》了。
However the Government insists on invoking Article 20 of the Basic Law to reach a cooperation agreement with the Mainland and with this kind of logic Article 20 can actually override the entire Basic Law
政府如此 濫用《基本法》第二十條，便等同根據《基本法》第二十條違反《基本法》其他所有條文。
The Governments abusive use of Article 20 of the Basic Law in this manner is tantamount to invoking this Article to contravene all other articles of the Basic Law
如果你有疑問，可以在其他場合與我或秘書處商討。
If you have any query you may wish to discuss with me or the Secretariat on other occasions
所以，我相信將來對香港人帶來的機遇會遠超過陳局長目前計算的2,600億元。
I thus believe that the economic opportunities that can be brought to Hong Kong people will be far beyond Secretary Frank CHANs estimated 260 billion
主席，我認為高鐵西九站關乎香港未來的氣數，如果我們沒有這個車站，便不能接駁內地這個龐大市場、這個龐大的資源和靠山，令香港變成孤島，一定會大大削弱我們長遠的競爭力和香港人的機遇。
President West Kowloon Station of the XRL is closely related to the future fate of Hong Kong . If we do not have this station we cannot connect to the enormous Mainland market a hinterland with huge resources and we will become an isolated island . This will seriously undermine our competitiveness in the long run and reduce the opportunities for Hong Kong people
主席，政府今次主動提出這項無約束力的議案，讓立法會議員可以就今次極受關注的高鐵"一地兩檢"進行辯論，我相信市民最終會明白，方案既符合《基本法》，也建基於從香港的最大利益。
President this time around the Government takes the initiative to propose this motion with no binding effect so that legislators may debate the co - location arrangement of the Express Rail Link XRL which the public are very concerned about . I believe the public will eventually understand that the proposal is in compliance with the Basic Law and in the best interest of Hong Kong
今次的議案並非"三步走"的必須步驟，但這剛好證明，政府非常重視民意，希望作為民意代表的議會能夠充分討論"一地兩檢"，讓真理越辯越明，讓市民更理解"一地兩檢"所帶來的方便和經濟效益。
The motion this time around is not part of the necessary step of the Three - step Process but it can show that the Government attaches a great deal of importance to public opinions . It is hoped that the legislature which represents public opinions can thoroughly discuss the co - location arrangement so that the more the truth is debated the clearer it will become and the public may understand the convenience and economic efficiency brought by the co - location arrangement
自"一地兩檢"方案公布以來，反對派一直大力反對，更大打"拉布"，浪費珍貴的議會時間。
Since the announcement of the co - location arrangement the opposition camp has been showing objection vigorously and resorted to filibustering and wasting the precious time of the legislature
他們提出反對的論點，包括9位議員提出的修正案，說來說去，不外乎是"一地兩檢"等同割地，違反《基本法》。
The arguments repeated by them including the amendments proposed by nine Members are nothing more than claiming that the scheme will cede Hong Kongs territory and violate the Basic Law
主席，香港是一國之下的特別行政區，又何來割地呢？
President Hong Kong is a Special Administrative Region under one country so how can it cede Hong Kongs territory?
泛民議員經常自以為是、憑空想象，誤導市民，指內地執法人員會跨境執法。
Pan - democratic Members are always self - righteous and they keep fabricating one thing or another in order to mislead the public saying that Mainland personnel would enforce Mainland law in Hong Kongs boundary
他們這種"政治show"，目的便是阻止兩地的經貿交流，直接損害香港的利益，我相信任何有理智的香港人，也不會支持反對派提出的修正案。
Such a political show aims only to hinder the economic and trade exchanges between the two places and to cause direct harm to Hong Kongs interest . I believe no Hong Kong person of sound mind will support any amendment proposed by the opposition camp
主席，因應政府今次在立法會提出無約束力的議案辯論，以及泛民經常說很多市民反對"一地兩檢"，我於本月初就"一地兩檢"向業界進行問卷調查，以掌握金融服務界對"一地兩檢"的意見。
President in view of this government motion with no legislative effect and the pan - democratic camps frequent claim many people are against co - location clearance I conducted a questionnaire survey early this month to gauge the views of the Financial Services Functional Constituency on the issue . The findings of the survey are very positive and encouraging
調查結果非常積極和正面，我發出400多份電子問卷，一個星期內共接獲2,000多份回覆，除了證券商支持之外，也獲得證券商員工和親友的 極積回應，確實令我有點意外。
I sent more than 400 electronic questionnaires and received some 2 000 replies with a week . Besides securities dealer staff and relatives of securities dealers also actively responded . This is a bit surprising to me
在眾多關於高鐵"一地兩檢"的問卷調查之中，這是獲得最多回應的一份，我希望反對派正視這份真真正正的民意表達。
Of all the questionnaires on the co - location arrangement mine is the one receiving the most numerous responses . I hope the opposition camp will treat my questionnaire very seriously as it really represents public opinions
涂謹申議員早前發言時大聲表示，他們進行的民意調查顯示，有很多市民反對，我想告訴他，我這個調查才是有真實的民意代表性。
When Mr James TO was delivering his speech just now he said loudly that their opinion poll indicated that many people opposed the arrangement I wish to tell him that my survey is the only one representing the true public opinion
另一個敏感的問題是，"是否相信內地執法人員在西九高鐵內地口岸區執法，不會損害香港法治？
Another sensitive question is Do you believe that Mainland law enforcement personnel in the Mainland Port Area of West Kowloon Station of the Express Rail Link XRL will not undermine Hong Kongs Rule of law?
"一地兩檢"的法律問題，除了律政司司長多次解釋之外，本港不少法律專家也多次在不同場合陳述他們的見解，向市民解說"一地兩檢"並不違反《基本法》。
Regarding the legal issues concerning the co - location arrangement on top of the numerous explanations given by the Secretary for Justice a number of legal experts in Hong Kong have given their views on various occasions in order to explain to the public that the co - location arrangement will not contravene the Basic Law
我想集中談談，如果高鐵落實"一地兩檢"方案，究竟可為香港帶來多大利益呢？
I wish to focus on the benefits to Hong Kong if the co - location arrangement is implemented
香港是一個國際大都會，多年來均是一個效率極高的城市，除了金融基建高度有效率之外，交通方面也是區內首屈一指的便捷，無論是國際旅客取道香港返回內地，還是內地旅客經香港連接海外，均可用上方便快捷的"一地兩檢"措施。
Hong Kong is a metropolis noted for its high efficiency over all the years . While Hong Kongs financial infrastructure is highly efficient its transport system is also the most convenient in the region . All passengers be they international passengers going to the Mainland via Hong Kong or Mainland passengers stopping over in Hong Kong en route to other countries will be able to benefit from speed and convenience offered by co - location clearance
根據運輸及房屋局的估計，廣深港高鐵香港段在50年營運期內，平均每年可為乘客節省的行程時間約3,900萬小時，如果量化為金錢，相當於每年節省900億元。
The Transport and Housing Bureau estimates that in the 50 - year operation of the Hong Kong Section of XRL roughly 39 million hours of travel time will be saved annually . Quantified in money terms this will mean a saving of 90 billion annually
這些時間所帶來的效益，是鐵一般的事實，也是反對派難以駁斥的事實。
The benefits brought by the saving of time are hard facts and it is difficult for the opposition camp to refute
現時粵港澳大灣區計劃已經如箭在弦，日後我們跟內地的聯繫只會越來越緊密。
At present the Guangdong - Hong Kong - Macao Bay Area Bay Area project is all set for launching so our ties with the Mainland will only get closer in the future
再者，大灣區面積廣闊、人口眾多，區內人流、物流有高質素的交通效率，將促進大灣區的經濟發展。
Moreover as the Bay Area occupies a vast area and its population is high a quality and efficient transport system for the flows of people and goods will help promote the economic development of the Bay Area
除了高鐵，香港也將迎來港珠澳大橋、香港國際機場第三跑道等超級基建，這些基建全面落實使用之後，香港將進一步方便對外聯 繫，有助推動大灣區發展。
Besides XRL Hong Kong will also witness the completion of mega infrastructures such as the Hong Kong - Zhuhai - Macao Bridge and the three - runway system 3RS of the Hong Kong International Airport . As soon as these infrastructures are commissioned the external connectivity of Hong Kong will be further enhanced which is helpful to the development of the Bay Area
一旦落實這些基建，珠海和澳門往返香港的時間，將由現時水路1小時、陸路3小時縮小為20至30分鐘，粵港澳半小時的經濟圈將加快形成。
The time taken to travel from Zhuhai and Macao to Hong Kong and the other way round will be shortened to 20 minutes to 30 minutes in contrast to the present length of one hour by sea and three hours by land . This can expedite the emergence of a half - hour economic circle for places in Guangdong Hong Kong and Macao
時間行程縮短，市民可以即日來回多次，提高工作效率，香港與內地人民的交流自然增加，關係密切，雙方的貿易必然增加，帶來更多商機。
As travel time is shortened people may travel to and from these places for multiple times a day and work efficiency will be enhanced . The exchanges between Hong Kong people and Mainlanders will increase naturally and the ties will become closer . The trade between the two places will definitely increase and there will be more business opportunities
主席，誠如國家主席習近平在"十九大"提到，"中國特色社會主義進入新時代，實現中國夢奮鬥，建設幸福社會"，國家已經定下長遠的發展目標，香港作為國家的一部分，一定要全力配合國家宏觀的全球策略。
President just as President XI Jinping said during the 19 National Congress of the Communist Party of China Socialism with Chinese characteristics is entering a new era and China is realizing the China Dream and building a society of happiness . China has set the goal for long - term development . Hong Kong as a part of China should fully dovetail with the countrys macro strategy of reaching out to the world
主席，我和整個金融服務界堅定不移支持通過政府的議案，反對所有修正案。
President the entire financial services sector and I will give our unwavering support to the passage of the Governments motion and will object to all amendments
主席，我們看到反對派議員，一方面要求高鐵降低票價，要以市民的承擔能力作基礎；另一方面又批評高鐵不合乎成本效益，一定會虧蝕。
President we see that on the one hand Members from the opposition camp ask for a reduction of XRL ticket prices which they claim should be based on the affordability of the public but on the other hand they criticize that XRL is not cost - effective and will surely suffer losses
長遠而言，市民一定可從高鐵的便利、可節省的時間及舒適度的提升中有所得益，因此這不能說是虧蝕，純粹是社會的投資，是對市民大眾有利的投資。
In the long run the convenience the amount of time saved and the enhanced comfort brought by XRL can surely benefit the public . Hence this cannot be regarded as losing money in a business but is purely a kind of social investment an investment beneficial to the public . President I believe that the implementation of the co - location arrangement at XRL is only the beginning of making good use of the HSR network
例如在香港的結算系統，我們是否只可購買由香港出發的車票呢？
At present for example are we only able to purchase train tickets for departure from Hong Kong through the Hong Kong settlement system?
如果我要在國內轉車，可否在香港的系統購買由國內出發的其他車程呢？
If I need to transfer to another route in the Mainland can I purchase train tickets for departure from the Mainland through the Hong Kong system?
如果可以，那我們豈不可以早上在香港出發，當天便到達赤壁，懷緬一下三國呢？
If this is positive then it will be possible for us to depart from Hong Kong in the morning and reach Shibi on the same day to engross ourselves in the history of the Three Kingdoms
此外，主席，現時國內高鐵乘客已能夠在沿途各站預早訂購飯盒，車站快餐店員工會把飯盒送到車上，乘客無需要吃車上出售的飯盒。
Furthermore President HSR passengers can now order meal boxes from the fast food restaurants at various stations en route in advance and the meal boxes will be delivered to them on the train by the staff of the respective restaurants . The passengers thus do not need to eat only the food purchased on the train
如果市民可以購買其他連鎖快餐店的食物，相對而言，我們乘搭高鐵的舒適程度便可再提升一點。
If Hong Kong citizens can also purchase food from other fast food chains comparatively speaking the comfort in taking XRL or HSR can be further enhanced
所以，我希望局長要繼續努力跟國內的鐵路局商討，為香港市民爭取更多這類福利。
Therefore I hope that the Secretary will continue to discuss proactively with the National Railway Administration in the Mainland in order to strive for more welfare of this kind to Hong Kong people
主席，早前我與工聯會其他同事一起回內地試坐高鐵，剛好譚文豪議員也進行同一個試驗，但他的體驗與我相差甚遠。
President earlier on I took a trial on HSR with some others colleagues from the Hong Kong Federation of Trade Unions . It was a coincidence that Mr Jeremy TAM was also taking his trial but his personal feeling was greatly different from mine
第二，譚文豪議員認為番禺是偏僻地方。
Secondly Mr Jeremy TAM thinks that Panyu is a remote area
我不知道大家是否也這樣認為，但是，我相信大部分的番禺同鄉肯定不會認為番禺是偏僻地方。
I wonder if other Members will think likewise . But I believe most of the village fellows from Panyu will definitely not regard it as a remote area especially when Guangzhou South Railway Station is an interchange station
尤其是廣州南站是中轉站，近的，可乘坐廣珠城際軌道交通前往佛山和珠海一帶；遠的，廣州有車前往新疆或蘭州。
For less distant destinations you can take Guangzhou - Zhuhai intercity railway to Foshan and Zhuhai areas . For more distant destinations you can take a train of another route to Xinjiang or Lanzhou
我相信10.5小時可以抵達蘭州是很好的體驗，讓我們踏遍大中華的土地，我相信不少朋友會有興趣。
I think it will be a very good experience to travel to Lanzhou in 10.5 hours seeing under our eyes the vast land and various parts of our country . I believe not a few people will be interested
主席，張超雄議員和其他反對派議員堅持不實施"一地兩檢"的其中一個論點是，因為八成乘客也是來往香港與深圳或廣州，因此，只要在這兩個地方，即深圳北站和廣州南站設置關口便可以。
President one of the arguments of Dr Fernando CHEUNG and other Members of the opposition camp who stand firm for not implementing the co - location arrangement at West Kowloon Station is that since 80 % of the passengers are travelling between Hong Kong and Shenzhen or Guangzhou the setting up of checkpoints at these two places or at Shenzhen North Railway Station and Guangzhou South Railway Station to be exact will suffice
但是，我想問如果我要回東莞鄉下，以他們的理解，我是否要先到廣州，然後再南下東莞呢？
However if I am going to my home village in Dongguan in their understanding should I make a detour to Guangzhou first and then travel south to Dongguan?
我想這是很麻煩的方法。
I think this is a troublesome way
我相信如果實施"一地兩檢"，市民一定懂得選擇在哪裏下車是最方便快捷。
I believe that if the co - location arrangement is implemented the public will surely know where to disembark for border checks in the most speedy and convenient way
主席，如果用他們這種邏輯，找他們幫忙要求巴士公司或港鐵公司減價便肯定不成事，為甚麼呢？
President bearing that kind of logic they surely cannot help at all in asking the bus companies or MTR Corporation Limited to reduce fares . Why?
因為對方是私人公司，要求私人公司減價更說不通。
It is because these are private companies and it does not make sense to ask private companies to reduce fares
如此便宜的價錢，他們還要求再減價，還說不應做，又怎樣依靠他們要求其他公共交通工具減價呢？
The ticket price level of XRL is already being set at a low level but they still ask to have it lowered and even have the project shelved . Then how can we rely on them to ask other public transport companies to reduce fares?
但是，又有反對派議員表示高鐵根本不能回本，以不能回本作為反對的原因，我覺得這是不合邏輯，根本是自相矛盾的。
Nevertheless another Member from the opposition camp said that the costs of XRL could not be recovered . I find it illogical and self - contradictory to take this as a reason against the construction of XRL
主席，我剛翻查了《議事規則》第365條，當中訂明議員會有15分鐘的發言時間。
President I have just looked up Rule 365 of the Rules of Procedure RoP which specifies that Members can make a speech lasting 15 minutes