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他們要繼續助長行政機關主導、行政霸權，肆意藉着他們現在佔大多數之機欺壓少數，修改《議事規則》。
They want to promote the further development of an executive - led system with executive hegemony and take the opportunity that they are now in the majority to arbitrarily bully the minority and amend the Rules of Procedure
修改《議事規則》有何後果？
What are the consequences of amending the Rules of Procedure?
第一，會削弱立法機關的調查權；第二，令議員在議會內的發言權也被剝奪，這是違憲的。
Firstly the investigation power of the legislature will be undermined; secondly the power enjoyed by Members to speak in this Council will also be deprived and this is unconstitutional
現時香港整個政治制度的設計，已是弱勢的立法機關對超強勢的行政機關，但在席議員仍不惜一切代價，要削弱立法會的權力，他們究竟在做甚麼？
The current design of the entire political system in Hong Kong has already provided for a weak legislature to accommodate our overwhelmingly strong executive authorities but Members present here still wish to undermine the powers of the Legislative Council at all costs and what exactly are they trying to do?
最近有些建制派議員在搖頭嘆息，認為啟德郵輪碼頭非常不濟，欠缺發展，有意推倒重來，另找他人作商業營運。
Recently some Members of the pro - establishment camp cannot help sighing over the poor performance and the lack of development of the Kai Tak Cruise Terminal . They want to start all over again and transfer the operating right to another operator
所以，我們一定要捍衞立法機關就公共利益問題進行辯論的發言權。
Therefore we must safeguard the powers of the legislature to speak and debate on any issue concerning public interests
不過，我們很久 前已指出，雖然我們選票多，但擁有的議席少，這是現時的選舉制度所致，這也是眾所周知的事實。
They are elected by the people through one person one vote . However as we have pointed out a long time ago we have won many votes but very few seats due to the present election system . This is a fact that everyone knows
談到他說不要濫用"拉布"，但對我而言，"拉布"不單是一件中立事情，更肯定是一件好東西，因為想為民請命，就要使用到這最後手段。
He asks us not to abuse the practice of filibustering but to me not only is filibustering something neutral it is also something good . If one wants to fight for the interests of the people he has to use this last resort . Some people misunderstand this concept
有些人搞錯了，我曾看到一些傻傻的街頭政治旗幟，寫着"抗議濫用暴力"，真傻，因為暴力本身便是一件壞事，難道可以好好地使用暴力嗎？
I saw some rather silly street banners with slogan like Protest against violence abuse . It is silly because violence is something bad . Is it possible to use violence in a good way?
好的，我亦同意有些離題，不要緊，我繼續發言。
Okay . I also agree that I have digressed a little from the subject . Never mind
黃國健議員說可能是他自己的水準低，我也有教師身份，我證實他的水準非常低。
Mr WONG Kwok - kin said it might be due to his low standard . In my capacity of a teacher I prove that he is indeed of a very low standard
我認為大家議事論事，無需這樣冒犯議員。
I think we should limit our debate to the facts . There is no need to offend another Member like that
毛議員，根據《議事規則》第414條，凡對立法會議員使用冒犯性及侮辱性言詞，即屬不合乎規程。
Ms MO according to RoP 414 it shall be out of order to use offensive and insulting language about Members of the Council
今次我不會立即裁定此用詞具冒犯性，但請議員避免使用具挑釁性的言詞，讓辯論能暢順進行。
I will not immediately rule that this term is offensive . Would Member please refrain from using provocative words to allow the smooth progress of the debate
我只是感到奇怪，因為黃國健議員三番四次說涂謹申議員的發言令他不明所以，然後他自己質疑自己水準低。
I just feel strange . It is because Mr WONG Kwok - kin repeatedly said that he did not understand what Mr James TO said . And then he said that it might be due to his low standard
有人會亂用"濫用"一詞，說抗議濫用私刑，用法令人失笑，私刑本身就是一個壞東西，難道你不濫用私刑就對嗎？
Some people may misuse the term abuse and say Protest against the abuse of illegal punishment . The usage is risible . Illegal punishment is something bad
因此，語言學非 常重要。
So linguistics is very important
我現在不是冒犯黃國健議員，我是提醒他，語言學在我們議事論政時非常重要。
I do not mean to offend Mr WONG Kwok - kin . I just want to remind him that linguistics is very important in our debates on public affairs and policies
我亦未見過星期四早上會有這麼多表現激動的人，何需這樣激動呢？
I have never seen so many Members acted some agitatedly on a Thursday morning . Why do they have to be so agitated?
現在只是說"察悉議案"而已，基本上不算是辯論，是大家察悉港珠澳大橋通關的附屬法例，何需如此激動？
We are now at a motion to take note of a report and it basically cannot be regarded as a debate . We just have to take note of the subsidiary legislation regarding the clearance of the Hong Kong - Zhuhai - Macao Bridge . Why do they have to be agitated?
我反而覺得這是非常非常傷害議會予人的觀感，並不需要這樣，大家斯文客氣，好像代理主席永遠微笑坐着，總之沒有事情發生便行。
I think this will do a lot of harm to the image of the Council . They need not feel so . We are all civilized and polite just like Deputy President who always sits there with a smile and monitors the progress of Council businesses
甚麼港珠澳大橋？
What about the Hong Kong - Zhuhai - Macao Bridge?
老兄，我們海陸空已做到中港融合，現在還有一條高鐵，還要興建一條港珠澳大橋，有沒有搞錯！
Buddies we are fully connected with the Mainland by land sea and air . We already have an express rail link and why do we still need to build the Hong Kong - Zhuhai - Macao Bridge? . What on earth is going on here?
全是為了加深香港人也是中國人那理念。
It is all for the sake of impressing on us the idea that Hong Kong people are also people of China
這一點我明白，政府是要透過大型基建及"大白象"工程迫使香港人非中港融合不可。
I get this . The Government wants to force Hong Kong people to embrace the idea of Hong Kong - Mainland integration through all those large - scale infrastructures and white elephant works projects
但在外國的議會，美國的議會議員會拿出聖經逐章讀出來。
But in congresses in other countries the Congress of the United States for instance some congressmen may take out a Bible and read it out chapter by chapter
請你繼續發言。
Please continue with your speech
我也要多謝周浩鼎議員，有人說他是頭號"梁粉"，我懷疑他也是頭號"林鄭粉"。
I have to thank Mr Holden CHOW too . Some people say that he is the number one fan of LEUNG Chun - ying and I suspect he is also the number one fan of Carrie LAM
為何忽然由1萬多輛增至5萬輛，再看清楚，原來它是指2035年的估算，現在是2017年，這個政府是發夢的！
How come the traffic flow suddenly increase from 10 000 to 50 000? . I look at the paper again and find that it refers to the estimated traffic flow in 2035 and now is 2017 . Is the Government daydreaming or what!
代理主席，我會就黃國健議員動議的中止待續議案發言。
Deputy President I would like to speak on the adjournment motion moved by Mr WONG Kwok - kin
我基本上同意黃國健議員有關"拉布"的說法。
Basically I share the views of Mr WONG Kwok - kin on filibustering
民主派議員"拉布"的原因，就是為了阻止建制派提出一系列《議事規則》的修訂。
To the pro - democracy Members the reason for filibustering is to stop the pro - establishment camp from proposing a series of amendments to the Rules of Procedure RoP
《議事規則》一經修訂，便難以往回走。
Once RoP is amended the changes can hardly be reversed
修訂《議事規則》有兩個大方向：第一，阻止民主派議員"拉布"；第二，在阻止"拉布"的過程中，削弱立法會監察政府的權力。
RoP will be amended in two directions first to stop pro - democracy Members from filibustering; second in the course of stopping filibustering to curtail the powers of the Legislative Council to monitor the Government
就這兩個方面，我當然會反對，民主派議員亦會誓死反對。
I am certainly against these two directions . Members from the pro - democracy camp will fight to the death to oppose the amendments
"拉布"是否罪大惡極？
Is it evil to filibuster?
當時議會內建制派議員人數不足，他們便不斷發言"拉布"。
During a Council meeting back then the pro - establishment Members spoke incessantly to filibuster as their numbers were insufficient in the Chamber
正如莫乃光議員剛才所說，雖然民主派議員在直選中獲大多數市民支持，在議會內卻佔少數。
As stated by Mr Charles Peter MOK earlier while the pro - democracy Members won the support of the majority public in direct elections they are the minority in the Council
民主派用"拉布"策略阻止不好的事情發生，在我們的立場而言，是維護、捍衞香港的核心價值。
From our point of view the pro - democracy camp filibusters to stop something bad from happening which is an act of safeguarding and defending the core values of Hong Kong
如是者，我們兩派便陷入相鬥。
The two camps thus fall into rivalry
老實說，立法會本身已權力不大，根本無力制衡政府，單是立法這項權力本身也幾乎被政府壟斷。
To be frank the Legislative Council in itself does not have much power to keep the Government in check . Almost all of the legislative power is in the hands of the Government
我作為一名被選進議會的社工，亦希望為改善民生出一分力。
Being a social worker elected to join the Council I wish to contribute to promoting peoples livelihood
這一次修改規則就是再次突顯自己的黔驢技 窮，希望通過偷襲成功，技術性擊倒對手。
The current amendment of RoP once again indicates that the camp is at its wits end and just hopes for a technical knockout of its opponent in this sneak attack
或許建制派要為此付出意想不到的代價，更可能有一天後悔這一次的修改，政治如流水，正所謂十年河東、十年河西。
The pro - establishment camp may have to pay an unexpected cost for this attack . It may even regret making this amendment someday . Politics is like a flowing river it may flow to different places at different times
因為如果王國興今天在席，他可能也會做同一件事，無論是哪一位建制派同事，其實今天也有機會根據《議事規則》第401條動議中止待續議案。
The reason is that if WONG Kwok - hing were present today he would have probably done the same thing . As a matter of fact any pro - establishment Member would have moved an adjournment motion under Rule 401 of the Rules of Procedure RoP today
主席，我不知道大家把"拉布"和發言混淆到甚麼程度。
President I wonder to what extent Members have confused filibustering and proper expression of views
正如今早有同事提出，只有一位議員就這議題發言，但議題已經被定性為無需討論，應該立刻中止待續，背後目的是甚麼？
As pointed out by a Member this morning only one Member has spoken on this subject but it has been decided that the subject should not be further discussed and be immediately adjourned
大家可能會認為，這項有關 禁區的公告不值得討論，或認為禁區不是今天才設立，也不是因為港珠澳大橋才設立。
Members may consider that this notice relating to closed areas is not worthy of discussion or that closed areas are neither established today nor established for the purpose of the Hong Kong - Zhuhai - Macao Bridge
如果今天有人願意申請，政府應該付錢支持他，不應收費，即使牌照費很少，只是數十元。
If one is willing to apply for such a licence the Government should give him funding support instead of charging him a fee even if the licence fee is as little as several dozens of dollars
主席，我當然明白這15分鐘的發言時間中，我們需要就議案內容發言，但這並不代表我們不可以在發言中，以某種方法把我們看到的問題告訴政府，由政府再作考量。
President I certainly understand that we have to speak on the motion during the 15 - minute speaking time but this does not mean that we cannot in a certain way convey to the Government the problems we have identified for its consideration
我相信大家心中有數。
I believe we all know the answer
例如，我今天提出了發展人力車後，可能經濟發展事務委員會認為這主意很好，決定復興人力車，使之成為香港另一個旅遊景觀。
For example following my proposal on the development of rickshaws today the Panel on Economic Development may consider that it is a good idea to revitalize rickshaws and enable them to become another tourist attraction of Hong Kong
所以，大家不應小看這15分鐘發言時間。
For this reason Members should not take lightly the 15 - minute speaking time
正如周議員剛才所說，也許我先說幾個我們的關注事項。
Perhaps let me first talk about my areas of concern
第一，基本上劃作禁區的概念，我覺得OK，因為那裏始終是口岸，保安需要有別於其他一般情況。
First I think the concept of the designation of a closed area is basically acceptable because after all unlike other general situation a port area should have different security needs
它說禁區有3部分，一個是口岸清關區和相關範圍，用作辦理清關、出入境和檢疫手續，而這部分主要是清關後的範圍。
According to the document the closed area covers three parts . The first part covers the clearance and related areas for the customs immigration and quarantine CIQ clearance
但是，清關前的範圍是為便利旅客使用口岸而無需用禁區通行證進入的設施，包括私家車上落區、公眾停車場、公共運輸交匯處及開放予公眾的零售設施。
This is mainly within the post - clearance area . Meanwhile the pre - clearance area is provided with facilities for public access without the need for a closed area permit such as the private car pick - updrop - off public car parks public transport interchange and publicly - accessible retail facilities
我們關注的主要在剛才說的車位是否足夠，因為有些車輛是無需進入香港境內行駛，所以有更多車位，令旅客使用公共交通工具，這是最理想的。
Our main concern is as said earlier whether there is an adequate supply of parking spaces for visitors who have to park their vehicles there and take the public transport to enter the Hong Kong territory . Hence it is most desirable to provide more parking spaces to cater to their needs
關於禁區的第二部分，是通往香港口岸的道路。
The second part of the closed area is the access roads to Hong Kong Port
立法會參考資料摘要是這樣寫的："為免車輛意外闖入香港口岸禁區，以致不必要地阻礙區內交通，通往香港口岸禁區的道路亦應劃為禁區"。
The Legislative Council Brief reads to prevent the unintentional entry of vehicles into the [Hong Kong Port] closed area which may cause unnecessary traffic disruption to the area the access roads leading to the [Hong Kong Port] closed area should also be delineated as closed area
這邏輯有 點問題。
This is not logical
這裏說避免意外闖入而須將道路劃為禁區，我覺得如果要避免意外闖入，便應有告示牌不讓他們闖入或通知他們不要進入。
The document says the delineation of the access roads as closed area is for the prevention of the unintentional entry of vehicles . But I think the better way to achieve this is to erect road signs to warn or advise drivers against entering the said area
現在把前往口岸的這段路劃為禁區，並非為了防止意外闖入，其實是認為這段路要預早劃為有保安需要的範圍。
Such a delineation is actually not for the prevention of unintentional entry of vehicles but rather for extending the closed area in advance for security needs
如果純粹因為害怕意外闖入而把禁區劃得更前，對不起，我不會同意這個邏輯。
If the closed area extension is simply for fear of any unintentional entry of vehicles I am sorry but I cannot agree with this logic
其實整個概念就是為了不想有這麼多車輛在那裏出入，想限制車流量，甚至不想這麼多車輛進入不是為了過關而是為了購物，整個概念不是為免意外闖入，所以我覺得這樣寫比較奇怪。
The closed area delineation is thus not for the prevention of unintentional entry of vehicles . I think the drafting is quite awkward
立法會參考資料摘要寫着"為免車輛意外闖入"，其實當局根本不想道路充斥着......
The Legislative Council Brief says the delineation seeks to prevent the unintentional entry of vehicles but the real intention of the Government is to prevent the intentional rather than unintentional entry of vehicles
但是，有一點不大容易明白的是，第32a條說：位於香港口岸的以下區域有第i至節，但第i至節說附表2第2條、第3條、第4條所描述的粉紅色、黃色和綠色區域，並以括弧寫着"以位於香港口岸的地區為限"。
However the drafting of section 32a is just hard to understand . Section 32a stipulates that the closed area comprises the following zones in items i to vii which are located at the Hong Kong Port . Items i to iii says the zones are the pink zone the yellow zone and the green zone described in section 2 section 3 and section 4 of Schedule 2 respectively
也許局長在發言時可以解釋一下，因為之前已經訂明位於香港口岸，所以無論第i至節都是位於口岸，但命令中有些說明位於口岸為限，那是否有些不是位於口岸呢？
Perhaps the Secretary could explain this in his speech later on . If the beginning of the subsection has already suggested that the zones are located at the Hong Kong Port all zones described in items i to vii should thus be located at the Hong Kong Port . However some items still give an additional description to state that they are located at the Hong Kong Port
是附表2，對不起，即這個命令的附表2。
I am sorry it is Schedule 2 to the Order
就第5條藍色區域，第5a條在"塗上藍色"後是有加上括弧以說明"標明為旅檢大樓部分"。
Let us go to the blue zone in section 5 . In section 5a there is an explanatory information of indicated as a part of the Passenger Clearance Building shown in parentheses after the wording shown coloured blue
因為無論是藍色或灰色部分，也已限制高度在主水平基準80米，換言之，80米以上已不是禁區。
In fact whether it is the blue zone or the grey zone the height is limited to 80 m above Hong Kong Principal Datum mPD . In other words the closed area does not cover any area higher than 80 mPD
而該建物築面積很小，不是好像整個香港般大，所以飛機飛行的高度，如果不是80米，例如是65米，那即是65米至80米便不是禁區，意思就是這樣。
Besides the building concerned is very small and it does not cover the whole Hong Kong so if the airport height restriction at that area is lower than 80 m say 65 m the area between 65 m and 80 m is not covered in the closed area . This is what the provision means
那麼便沒有理由這樣草擬條文，因為這樣寫的話，便沒有人知道究竟實際的高度，令市民大眾或要遵守法例的人難以理解。
But why the provision has to be drafted in this way? . As the provision does not set out the actual height restriction the public or people who wish to observe this ordinance are uncertain how to follow the restriction
主席，最後我要說一般性許可，這涉及《港珠澳大橋香港口岸及香港連接路禁區公告》。
President before I stop I would like to talk about the general permission . This is related to the Hong Kong - Zhuhai - Macao Bridge Hong Kong Port and Hong Kong Link Road Closed Area Notice
每天會有數千人或數萬人，如果將來好運的話，甚至是數十萬人或數百萬人進出禁區，他們均要給予一般准許。
Every day we will need to grant the general permission to several thousand or several 10 thousand people or if lucky enough to several hundred thousand or several million people for entering or leaving the closed area . There are provisions governing the granting of such permissions
但是，事實上我覺得當中有條文，雖然我之前也有看過，但我現在再讀，覺得有改善的必要。
I have read them before but when I read again I find the relevant provisions need to be improved
舉例來說，附表第2部關乎准許出入，第1項涉及前往內地車輛的司機，這是要准許。
For example Part 2 of the Schedule is about the permission to enter or leave
當中第3欄所須符合的條件第a段是這樣寫："司機須駕駛車輛直接由香港口岸駛至位於香港連接路的香港界線"，即要直接駛往。
Item 1 governs the driver of a vehicle to the Mainland who will need the permission while Column 3 stipulates the conditions to be met . Paragraph a of Column 3 reads The driver must drive the vehicle directly from the Hong Kong Port to the boundary of Hong Kong at the Hong Kong Link Road . This means the driving of the vehicle directly to the boundary
前面說"直接駛往"，後面卻說"不作無故拖延而離開禁區"，換言之，在概念上如有合理理由，是可以暫不離開禁區，當然不是有合理理由拖延，而是有合理理由而留下。
In other words theoretically if there are reasonable grounds the driver can temporarily stay at the closed area . Of course this does not mean a reasonable delay but a temporary stay out of reasonable grounds
第二，第b段訂明"除c及d段另有規定外，司機不得離開車輛的最接近範圍"。
Second paragraph b stipulates that Subject to paragraphs c and d the driver must not leave the immediate vicinity of the vehicle
雖然我記得我以前曾看過這句，但現在再讀我覺得是難以令人明白。
I remember I have seen this provision before but when I read it again now I find it difficult to understand
如果內容是："司機不得離開車輛，除下面所列外"，但卻不是這樣寫，而是"不得離開車輛的最接近範圍"，這是甚麼意思呢？
It will be more comprehensible if it is rephrased as The driver must not leave the vehicle except under the following circumstances . What exactly does the description of must not leave the immediate vicinity of the vehicle mean?
抑或其實是想說只為某種目的而離開車便准許，於是define其他目的，而不是說"不得離開車輛的最接近範圍"。
Would it be the case that it wishes to set out some particular purposes for which the driver will be allowed to leave the vehicle and then it defines the purposes . In other words this has nothing to do with must not leave the immediate vicinity of the vehicle
這樣的草擬方式不是普通一般常人能理解，是無法明白當中意思。
Such drafting style is incomprehensible to the common people
正如其他民主派議員一樣，我並不認同主席在第二個環節合併辯論9項附屬法例。
Like other pro - democracy Members I do not agree with the Presidents decision to hold a joint debate on nine items of subsidiary legislation in the second session
然而，我明白主席的裁決是最終裁決，不容異議，須另覓其他場合討論。
Yet I understand that the Presidents ruling is final and may not be challenged; any discussion on it may only be held on another occasion
現在保安局代表仍在席，雖然他並非保安局局長；他垂下頭我看不清楚......
At the moment the representative of the Security Bureau is still present but he is not the Secretary for Security; I cannot see his face clearly as he has lowered his head Oh he is the Under Secretary
我相信各位議員都知道，我們今天在立法會會議的發言，都會載入立法會會議過程正式紀錄。這份紀錄不單供議員查閱，更重要的是讓公眾人士參閱。
I believe all Members know that the speeches delivered by us at todays Council meeting will be recorded in the Official Record of Proceedings of the Legislative Council which is not only available for inspection by Members but more importantly also available for access by the public
例如當年前保安局局長李少光如何解讀《基本法》第二十條，至今大家已經沒有印象，但我們仍可翻查紀錄追究。
For example today we may have no recollection of how Ambrose LEE former Secretary for Security interpreted Article 20 of the Basic Law many years ago but we can still hold him responsible by referring to the record
小組委員會報告內有載述增聘500多名人手的計劃，卻沒有提到羈留室面積大小的問題。
While the Subcommittees Report mentions the plan to increase the number of staff by 500 - plus it makes no reference to the size of the detention quarters . Besides just now an Honourable colleague brought up matters relating to the airspace over the closed areas and the calculation of their ground areas
如是者，議員連發言的機會也被褫奪。
In that case Members will even be deprived of the opportunity to speak
立法會日後還如何繼續監察政府？
How can the Legislative Council continue to monitor the Government in future?
作為立法會議員，大家會否願意看到立法會落得如此境地？
Are we as Members of this Council willing to see this Council come to such a pass?
但很可笑，他第一件事便說，他懷疑或揣測這項原本的"察悉議案"，即議員就多項附屬法例進行討論，就是"拉布"。
I do not know how long he thought over the move of this adjournment motion but it is laughable that once he started his speech he immediately suspected or speculated that every Member discussing the original take - note motion that is discussing the various items of subsidiary legislation would in fact be filibustering
問題很簡單，他出手便是代表工聯會，將香港立法會變成人大。
The problem is simple . Once he made this move he does represent The Hong Kong Federation of Trade Unions in turning the Legislative Council of Hong Kong into NPC
在早前的歷史性時刻，黃國健議員最少也拋出了數個理由。
At the earlier historic moment Mr WONG Kwok - kin at least gave a few reasons for his move
生效日期是重要的，大家應當留意，所以我絕對反對盧偉國議員的中止待續議案。
The commencement date is important and warrants our attention so I absolutely oppose the adjournment motion moved by Ir Dr LO Wai - kwok
議員要記得，原本的議案關乎附屬法例，即不論是否關乎一項決議案，提出後會由議員進行辯論，經過相關委員會審議，但即使是經過立法會審議的階段，議員其實也可以因應議案的目標、宗旨、改善方法或須附帶甚麼配套、人手、配備等任何事宜，藉着這個機會進行辯論，以達到監察政府的原意。
Members must not forget that the original motion is about subsidiary legislation that is regardless of whether it relates to a resolution Members will debate on it once it is moved followed by the scrutiny of a relevant subcommittee . Even if the motion has gone through the scrutiny of the Legislative Council Members can still use the opportunity to debate with regard to the motions purpose objective areas of improvement or any matters like the necessary supplements manpower or supportive measures so as to fulfil the original purpose of monitoring the Government
因此，根據現時的制度設計，會由內務委員會主席提出中性的議案，名為"察悉議案"，甚至，正如主席也許會留意到，即使最後議員完成辯論，主席也無須提出待決議題。
Therefore according to the present system design the Chairman of the House Committee will move a neutral motion that is the take - note motion . As the President may notice after the debate on the motion has come to a close the President does not have to put the question to Members for voting
換言之，這是為了給議員時間就附屬法例發言。
In other words the arrangement merely aims to give Members the time to speak on the subsidiary legislation
他是否認為我們提出的辯論，尤其是我們所關注的事宜太過敏感呢？
Does he consider the debate too sensitive the issues of our concern in particular?
老實說，民主派有不同黨派或代表，民主派最少也有4個板塊，他也要看看4個板塊的其他議員是否重複、觀點是否無謂。
Frankly there are numerous parties or representatives of different groups in the pro - democracy camp . The entire camp comprises at least four segments . Mr WONG should at least check if Members from the four segments would repeat their points or put forward worthless arguments
我覺得，如果他想將香港立法會的發言空間收窄他不是收窄，簡直 是扼殺不讓議員討論，這是十分恐怖，達致不讓議員發言的程度，即否定一名議員能夠在議會，表達對某項已經列入議程的議案的關注。
Should he aim to tighten the room for speech in the Legislative Council of Hong Kong or I should say he is not tightening but strangling Members room for discussion then this is really horrible . This amounts to banning Members from speaking that is denying Members function to express concern in the Council about a motion listed on the agenda
再者，這項議案已經由立法會主席按照《議事規則》放入議程。
Moreover the motion has already been put on the agenda by the President of the Legislative Council in accordance with RoP
代理主席，議員要記得，這是建制派一位資深議員看待"拉布"問題的方式，原來"拉布"是"一國兩制"其中一個重點。
Deputy President Members must remember that this is how filibuster is seen by a seasoned Member from the pro - establishment camp . So it is now revealed that filibuster is one of the main features of one country two systems
因為，人大不會有"拉布"，人大會限制發言時間，現在他想怎樣做呢？
NPC has no filibuster and NPC limits speaking time . So what does he want now?
他想連發言時間也取消，他不是想將香港的立法會變成人大，又是甚麼呢？
He wants to even cancel Members speaking time . If he is not trying to turn the Legislative Council of Hong Kong into NPC what else he is trying to achieve?
麥美娟議員，請發言。
Ms Alice MAK please speak
《修訂規則》的生效日期......任何人如現時是大律師並有不少於5年執業經驗，而他想轉為律師，究竟這5年經驗是否能計算在內？
The commencement date of the Amendment Rules If anyone who is currently a barrister with at least five years practising experience wishes to become a solicitor does such five years experience count?
所以，《修訂規則》的生效日期相當重要。
In the light of this the commencement date of the Amendment Rules is very important
他因此引用《議事規則》內要求記者離場的惡法，證明該項惡法的確是惡法中的惡法。
He therefore invoked a draconian rule under RoP and requested the withdrawal of reporters proving that the draconian rule was the most draconian among all the draconian rules
但是，這只有兩種效果，一是折磨一下議員，二是令自己活着受罪但卻離不開議會。
That said only two effects will be produced one is to torment Members and the other is to make ourselves suffer and cannot leave the Chamber
我相信這事會發生，因為香港人投票終究會以情緒投票。
I think such a scenario will take place for Hong Kong people ultimately cast their votes based on their emotional state
建制派要贏到盡，但又不能流會，要向老闆或上級交代。
The pro - establishment camp wants to win a complete victory but they dare not abort the meeting for they have to be accountable to their bosses or superiors