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主席，行政會議成員的層次真的不一樣，討論國歌便提到國安，討論國安時當然要把事情說得像天一般高，兩位行政會議成員都一樣，這必然屬謝偉俊議員較早前說的"水平"，我洗耳恭聽，定當好好學習。
President Members of the Executive Council are really at a different level . When discussing the national anthem they mentioned national security; and when discussing national security they certainly have to elevate this matter to the highest level . The two Members of the Executive Council are just the same
我記得謝偉銓議員昨天在議會上提到漢奸，他說不支持《國歌條例草案》，甚至是不支持國安法的，必然就是漢奸。
I recall that Mr Tony TSE mentioned traitors at the meeting yesterday . He said that people who do not support the National Anthem Bill and even the national security law must be traitors
謝偉銓議員不在席，但我相信他一定有機會回應一下，不知道他是否已放棄自己的居英權？
Mr Tony TSE is not in the Chamber now but I believe he will surely have the opportunity to give a response . I wonder if he has renounced his right of abode in Britain
如果他擁有居英權，不知他是否算是漢奸？
If he has the right of abode in Britain I wonder if he is considered a traitor or not
不過，主席，我這樣說無意針對任何人，包括坐在這裏的這一位。
Having said that President I have no intention to pick on anyone including this person sitting here
我只是想到，有人高舉愛國旗幟，把國家說得多偉大，說不支持《國歌條例草案》便是漢奸，不支持國安法又是漢奸，總之不投贊成票的人就是漢奸，那麼，所有投贊成票的人，他們本人及其直系親屬在外國是否擁有任何產業或居留權？
I only think that when some people hold high the banner of patriotism and sing high praises for the greatness of the country saying that people not supportive of the National Anthem Bill are traitors and that people not supportive of the national security law are traitors and in short people who do not vote yes are traitors then regarding all those people who vote yes do they themselves and their next of kin have any property or right of abode in foreign countries?
為何不全部搬到大灣區？
Why do they not all move to the Greater Bay Area?
提到愛國，一定要談到歷史。
Speaking of patriotism we certainly have to talk about history
我這幾天感到非常"安全"，主席，因為被外面那麼多警察包圍着，但回想過去，熟悉中國歷史的人是否知道在中國現代史中，上一次議會是如此"安全"的是甚麼時候？
I feel very safe in these several days President as I am surrounded by so many policemen outside . But let us think about the past and for people who are familiar with Chinese history do they know when it was the last time the parliamentary assembly was so safe in the modern history of China?
是 1913年，當時袁世凱派軍隊進入議會，要求議員投贊成票支持他成為總統，真是同樣地"安全"，對嗎？
It was in the year 1913 when YUAN Shikai sent the army to the parliament and asked Members to vote in support of his assumption of the Presidency and really that was as safe as it is now right?
回顧歷史當然要提到國歌，歷史上有沒有國家立法規管奏唱國歌時人民的行為？
As we look back on history of course we must mention national anthems . Was there any country in history where legislation was enacted to govern the behaviours of the people when the national anthem was played and sung? . Of course yes
當然有，1933年5月，德國頒布法例指定"德意志之歌"及"旗幟高揚"兩首歌為雙國歌。
In May 1933 a law was promulgated in Germany specifying that both Die Fahne Hoch and Deutschlandlied were the national anthems
法例亦訂明，在奏唱"旗幟高揚"這首納粹黨黨歌的第一節和第四節時，要舉起右手行納粹禮。
This law also stipulated that people shall have their right arms raised in Nazi salute when the first and fourth verses of Die Fahne Hoch the Nazi Party anthem was played and sung
1942年西班牙在佛朗哥的獨裁統治下，亦立法規定奏唱國歌期間，人民要行羅馬式敬禮，即納粹禮。
In 1942 in Spain under the dictatorship of Francisco FRANCO the law required people to do the Roman salute and that is the Nazi salute when the national anthem was played and sung
主席，一首代表國家和民族的歌曲，該國的國民和民族聽到時自然理應肅然起敬，甚至感動流涕，但為何仍要規定人民在奏唱國歌時的行為？
President a song that represents the country and the nation should supposedly command profound respect from the people or nationals and even move them to tears . But why is it still necessary to make stipulations on the behaviours of the people when the national anthem is played and sung?
原因很簡單，從上述兩個例子可見，這其實是因為當時德國和西班牙已有自己的國歌，只是希特拉和佛朗哥強行透過立法，要以宣傳自己政黨的歌曲變成當時的國歌，但他們怕人民不服，所以在立法的同時迫人民展示某些手勢。
The reason is simple . From the two aforesaid examples we can see that actually it was because at that time Germany and Spain already had their national anthems just that Adolf HITLER and Francisco FRANCO through enacting laws forcibly replaced the national anthems by songs intended to propagate their political parties . But they were worried about the people not accepting it and so in enacting the laws they also forced the people to make certain gestures
當一首國歌不能引起當地人民的共鳴和感情，便以法例要求他們肅然起敬，對這首歌曲行禮，這代表甚麼？
When a national anthem cannot arouse resonance and emotion from the people laws are enacted to make the people show respect for and salute to the anthem . What does it mean?
這代表他們心虛，他們根本不能肯定自己是否可以得到國民的認同。
It means that they have a guilty conscience . They simply cannot be certain about whether they can command support from the people
不如我們又看看現在需要審議的《國歌條例草案》，弁言的第2點訂明"一切個人和組織都應當尊重國歌，維護國歌的尊嚴"。
Let us take a look at the National Anthem Bill under our scrutiny now . Paragraph 2 of the Preamble provides that all individuals and organizations should respect the national anthem preserve the dignity of the national anthem
即使退後一萬步，若我們必須尊重國歌，但何謂尊重？
And if at the very least we must respect the national anthem what does it mean by respect?
如何界定一個人在奏唱國歌時是尊重抑或不敬？
What are the criteria for defining whether a person is respectful or disrespectful when the national anthem is played and sung?
但我們真的要問，為何我們在2020年還需要通過一項如此的法律？
But we really must ask why we still need to pass such a piece of legislation in 2020
主席，實際上，維護國歌的尊嚴不是人唯一要做的，一個機構、一個死物本身也是由人賦予尊嚴的。
In fact President preserving the dignity of the national anthem is not the only thing that the people should do . Even for an organization or an object it also takes people to give it dignity . Take the Legislative Council as an example
我說的不是眼見的尊嚴，不是像主席說的一般，議員走出來做不同行為動作表達不滿便被視為破壞議會尊嚴，而是一個精神的層次，"尊嚴"這兩個字是上升到一個精神的層面。
I am not talking about dignity in a tangible sense and President unlike your comments that Members coming forth to make various acts or gestures to express their dissatisfaction are considered to have undermined the dignity of this Council I am talking about a spiritual level and this dignity as referred to by me is elevated to a spiritual level
但很可惜的是，當議員不懂得珍惜自己擁有的權力，不懂得在三權分立之下珍惜自己應該擁有的反對力量的時候，又談何尊嚴呢？
But much to our regret when Members do not cherish their powers and when they do not cherish the power of opposition that they should possess under the separation of powers among the executive legislature and Judiciary what dignity is there to speak of?
當尊嚴已經難以說得上的時候，維護尊嚴更令人摸不着頭腦。
When there is hardly any dignity to speak of it is all the more incomprehensible to talk about preservation of dignity
《國歌條例草案》第2部第3條"奏唱的標準"提到，國歌須以符合其尊嚴的方式奏唱。
Under clause 3 of Part 2 of the National Anthem Bill the heading of which is Standard for playing and singing the national anthem must be played and sung in a way that is in keeping with its dignity
主席，先不說一些愛國的大叔在街上聽到"義勇軍進行曲"便不禁吹起口哨和高歌，我現在說的是，對於怎樣才符合其尊嚴的方式這一點，為何要有如此多的規管？
President I will not talk about some patriotic uncles who on hearing March of the Volunteers on the street cannot help whistling and singing along . What I am talking about is that on the point of how it can be considered as in keeping with its dignity why should there be so many rules and regulations?
主席，究竟這是否符合自由社會本來應該要有的基礎呢？
President is this in keeping with the fundamentals that are inherent to a free society?
弁言的第3點提到，為國歌立法是要增強公民的國家觀念，以及弘揚愛國精神。
In paragraph 3 of the Preamble it is mentioned that legislation is enacted on the national anthem to enhance citizen awareness of the Peoples Republic of China and to promote patriotism
主席，我想提醒大家，2008年曾進行一項調查，當時香港人對於愛國的概念是達到"高峰"的，當時有沒有國歌法？
President I wish to remind Members that a survey conducted in 2008 showed that patriotism was at its peak among Hongkongers . Was there a national anthem law back then?
當時有沒有其他法例要求市民愛國，有沒有這麼多國家安全等問題？
Were there other laws requiring the citizens to be patriotic and were there so many problems concerning national security and so on?
為何當時甚麼也沒有，香港人的愛國情緒竟然達歷史新高，而很可惜，其後卻是拾級而下呢？
Why is it that back then when none of these existed the patriotic sentiments of Hongkongers were the highest in history but had regrettably dropped gradually afterwards?
究竟這條國歌法能否彌補相關的問題呢？
Can this national anthem law mend the problems?
當然不能，因為大家也明白，當一個機構、一個國家、一個政府不做好自己，出現問題的時候只懂以法律要求人民尊重它，這當然無法解決核心的問題。
Of course not because we all understand that when an organ a state a government has failed to do its part properly and when problems have arisen it knows only to enact laws to demand the people to respect it surely the crux of the problem will not be resolved
我想特別提到，對於當年納粹的國歌"旗幟高揚"，現時德國刑法典第86及86a條有清楚的規定，禁止發布和使用違反憲法的組織的標誌和宣傳物，一切與納粹黨有關的東西，今天已變成違禁物。
I would like to mention in particular that regarding Die Fahne Hoch the national anthem of the Nazis back then sections 86 and 86a of the German Criminal Code have express provisions prohibiting the dissemination and use of symbols and propaganda materials of unconstitutional organizations . Everything relating to the Nazi Party is banned nowadays
德國為何要立法來損害言論自由呢？
But why has Germany enacted legislation to undermine the freedom of speech?
最重要的一點是，德國經歷了多年的民主化，在真正獲得自由後，他們學懂了兩個字反省。
It is most important to note that after many years of democratization and having truly achieved freedoms Germany has learned to do one thing―soul - searching
在2018年的中華人民共和國全國人民代表大會和中國人民政治協商會議全國委員會會議上，有38位全國政協委員聯署遞交了一份提案，標題為"制定保護國格與民族尊嚴專門法"，專門用來懲罰崇日分子。
During the sessions of the National Peoples Congress and the National Committee of the Chinese Peoples Political Consultative Conference CPPCC in 2018 38 CPPCC members jointly signed a proposal calling on the enactment of a special law to protect national integrity and dignity in a bid to specifically punish people who worship Japan
然而，這位網民反對立法，因為他認為不應該規管思想。
However this netizen opposed legislating for this purpose because he considered that thinking should not be subject to regulation
他的一段話是這樣的︰"如果真是這樣，那麼甚麼依法治國、甚麼法制社會就不要談了，因為連立法也那麼隨隨便便，執法方面，我更是不可想像。
He made the following comments I quote If a law is really enacted to this end forget about ruling the country according to the law and forget about a rule - of - law society because when laws can be enacted so casually their enforcement would be all the more unimaginable
因為只要存在為思想而立法，便不可能達到法制社會的境界，這是經過無數歷史事實證明的道理。
It is because so long as laws are enacted to govern thinking it would be impossible to reach the standards of a rule - of - law society and this has been proven by countless historical facts . End of quote
"我希望這段說話能夠留在立法會的會議紀錄內，亦能夠讓在席的每位建制派議員深思熟慮。
I hope that these comments can be put on record in the records of meetings of the Legislative Council and that they be given in - depth consideration by each and every pro - establishment Member in the Chamber
我現在請政制及內地事務局局長答辯。
I now call upon the Secretary for Constitutional and Mainland Affairs to reply
林鄭月娥臉都黑了，回應美國全國商會表示，在2009年至2018年期間，相關貨物貿易順差的累計總額達2,970億美元。
Carrie LAM looked rather piqued and gave a reply to the US Chamber of Commerce saying that the aggregate merchandise trade surplus amounted to US297 billion from 2009 to 2018
今天早上，還盛傳特區政府聯絡美國領事了解情況，感覺天下大亂了。
This morning it was widely rumoured that the SAR Government contacted the Consul General of the United States to seek clarifications . It is as if everything has been messed up
主席，我發言支持《國歌條例草案》恢復二讀。
President I rise to speak in support of the resumption of Second Reading of the National Anthem Bill the Bill
因此，作為已經宣誓擁護《基本法》的議員，我看不到有任何原則性的理由要反對這項《條例草案》。
Therefore I cannot see any reasons in principle for Members who have sworn to uphold the Basic Law to oppose the Bill
至於《條例草案》的內容，雖然很多反對派議員將《條例草案》描繪成好像是一項惡法，但其實《條例草案》相當溫和，其結構與《國旗及國徽條例》相若。
As regards the content of the Bill whilst many Members of the opposition camp have described the Bill as a draconian law actually the Bill is rather mild and its structure resembles that of the National Flag and National Emblem Ordinance
在保護國歌的規定方面，《條例草案》指定在哪些場合才可奏唱國歌，而一些場合例如私人葬禮便不能奏唱國歌。
As far as the regulations regarding protection of the national anthem are concerned the Bill specifies the occasions on which the national anthem can be played and sung and those on which the national anthem cannot be played and sung such as private funeral events
我同意很多議員在發言時提到，純粹立法並不足夠，我們亦應該在社會進行推廣，教育市民必須尊重自己的國家。
I agree with the remarks by many Members in their speeches that merely enacting legislation is inadequate we should also launch promotion in society to educate members of the public to respect our country
我希望反對派議員會好好反省，將來亦會勸諭他們熟悉的年輕人，不要隨便作出貶損國旗和國歌的行為。
It is my hope that Members of the opposition camp will do some self - reflection and that in the future they will persuade young people whom they know well not to casually behave in a way disrespectful to the national flag and the national anthem
昨天亦有議員因為香港多處出現騷亂而希望暫停會議，讓他們去協助參與示威及騷亂的人士，但他們應該要做的事情，其實是要呼籲這些年輕人不要犯法，以免損害自身前途。
Yesterday some Members wished to have the meeting suspended in light of the riots taking place in various places across Hong Kong so as to allow them to assist those participating in the protests and riots . Yet what they ought to do is actually to call on those young people not to break the law lest they would ruin their own future
有鑒於此，主席，我支持《條例草案》恢復二讀。
With these remarks President I support the resumption of Second Reading of the Bill
以及法律年度開啟典禮。
and the Ceremonial Opening of the Legal Year
《條例草案》第3部是"保護國歌"，禁止不當使用國歌、歌詞或曲譜的行為，以及公開故意侮辱國歌的行為......
Part 3 of the Bill is Protection of National Anthem which prohibits misuse of the national anthem or its lyrics or score as well as public and intentional insulting behaviours in relation to the national anthem
並就罪行訂立罰則。
It also provides for the penalties for such behaviours
過去兩年，在審議的過程中，坊間就《條例草案》第7條有關侮辱國歌的罪行提出不同個案情境，想知道個別情境會否觸犯法例，我們都盡力作出回應。
During the scrutiny over the past two years members of the community have raised different scenarios in respect of the offence of insulting the national anthem provided in clause 7 of the Bill in the hope of understanding whether individual scenario will contravene the law . We have made our best efforts to respond to all these queries
有些人希望政府就所有個案情境，評論是否會觸犯法例，這是不可能的，執法機關必須根據法例的要求，視乎每宗個案的實際情況及搜集所得的證據作考慮，最終由法庭按香港一貫處理刑事案件的標準作出判決。
Some people hope that the Government can assess each and every scenario and comment if there is any contravention of the law . This is impossible as the enforcement agency should according to the actual circumstances and evidence collected in each case make consideration in accordance with the law and the court will hand down judgment in accordance with the usual standard of handling criminal cases in Hong Kong
不過，這不代表法例不清晰，相反地，我們的立法目的十分明確，就是禁止公開、故意、意圖侮辱國歌的行為。
Nevertheless this does not imply that the legislation is unclear . On the contrary our legislative intent is very clear ie . to prohibit public and intentional behaviours with an intent to insult the national anthem
簡單而言，市民若沒有意圖侮辱國歌，是絕對不用擔心。
Simply put there is absolutely no need for members of the public to be worried if they have no intention to insult the national anthem
如果議員繼續在座位叫喊，我會立即命令他們離開會議廳。
If any Members keep shouting in their seats I will order them to leave the Chamber immediately
《條例草案》第4部是"推廣國歌"......
Part 4 of the Bill is Promotion of National Anthem
條文要求教育局局長就將國歌納入中小學教育發出指示。
which requires the Secretary for Education to give directions for the inclusion of the national anthem in primary and secondary education
《條例草案》亦要求本地持牌電視及電台根據現時的牌照條款，藉政府宣傳聲帶或短片廣播國歌。
The Bill also requires domestic television programme service licensees and sound broadcasting service licensees to broadcast the national anthem as announcements in the public interest API or material in the public interest pursuant to the existing terms and conditions in their respective licences
這兩項要求實際上與現行做法相近，既反映全國性《國歌法》的原意......
These two requirements are actually similar to what is currently being done which have reflected the legislative intent of the National Anthem Law
同時兼顧香港的實際情況。
and at the same time taken into account the actual circumstances of Hong Kong
隨意批評有關條文是"洗腦"，是沒有根據的。
It is groundless to criticize arbitrarily the relevant provisions as brainwashing
《條例草案》第5部是"補充條文"，訂明在香港觸犯有關國歌的規定的罪行，會按照香港法律進行調查及予以檢控。
Part 5 of the Bill is Supplementary Provisions which provides that offences in relation to the national anthem in Hong Kong are investigated and persons are prosecuted according to the laws of Hong Kong
《條例草案》第6部是"相應修訂"，是就其他條例，即《商標條例》和《法例發布條例》作出的相應修訂。
Part 6 of the Bill is Consequential Amendments which contains consequential amendments to other ordinances namely the Trade Marks Ordinance and the Legislation Publication Ordinance
總體而言，《條例草案》的主要精神是尊重，我相信這種尊重精神對市民大眾而言是十分容易理解，而且容易做到的。
Overall speaking the main spirit of the Bill is respect which I believe is easy to understand and not hard to follow by the general public
就着一些意圖 侮辱國歌、公開及故意作出侮辱國歌行為的人士，《條例草案》則需要訂下罰則，對這類行為起阻嚇作用。
For those with an intent to insult the national anthem and publicly and intentionally perform acts to insult the national anthem there is a need to introduce punitive provisions in the Bill to deter such behaviours
經過兩日的辯論，我想特別回應一下議員數個主要的觀點和質疑。
After two days of debate I wish to respond in particular to several major viewpoints and queries raised by Members
這兩天，我聽到不少議員提出一個觀點，認為《條例草案》是強迫人尊重國家、尊重國歌，甚至強迫人愛國。
In these two days I have heard quite a number of Members put forward the viewpoint that the Bill seeks to force people to respect the country respect the national anthem and even force people to be patriotic
首先，我們認同要得到別人的尊重，不能單靠實施刑罰，亦要從教育、宣傳等着手，正因如此......
First we agree that we should not rely solely on imposing penalties to command respect from others . Instead we should also start with education and publicity etc . For this reason
《條例草案》的相關條文亦有所規定，教育局局長須就將國歌納入中小學教育發出指示，讓學生學習歌唱國歌、明白國歌的歷史、精神和意義，同時亦規定本地持牌電視及電台須藉政府宣傳聲帶或短片廣播國歌。
the relevant provisions of the Bill also require the Secretary for Education to give directions for the inclusion of the national anthem in primary and secondary education thereby enabling the students to learn to sing the national anthem as well as to understand the history spirit and meaning of the national anthem . Meanwhile domestic television programme service licensees and sound broadcasting service licensees are also required to broadcast the national anthem as API or material in the public interest
此外，我們亦會進一步加強對國歌的宣傳和推廣，務求令市民進一步增強對國家的觀念，從而令大家更尊重我們的國家和國歌。
In addition we will further step up our publicity and promotional efforts on the national anthem to further enhance the sense of national identity among members of the public so that they will show more respect for our country and the national anthem
除了教育宣傳外，我們亦需要定出一些明確的規範和指引，讓市民有所依循。
Apart from education and publicity it is also necessary to set out some clear regulations and guidelines for members of the public to follow
因此，我們定下一些指引性條文，讓大家知道奏唱國歌的標準、禮儀和場合，這些條文都是屬於"指引性"而非懲罰性。
Therefore we have drawn up some directional provisions to let everyone know the standard etiquette and occasions for the playing and singing of the national anthem . These provisions are directional rather than punitive
儘管如此，我們仍不能排除有極少數人會因為種種不同的原因，存心、故意、公開侮辱國歌。
Having said that we still cannot rule out the possibility that a tiny handful of people might for various reasons insult the national anthem deliberately intentionally and publicly
胡志偉議員，請你離開會議廳。
Mr WU Chi - wai please leave the Chamber
事實上，過去的確有這些情況發生，有人在球場噓國歌、侮辱國歌，因此我們實在有必要訂立明確法例和罰則，禁止這些侮辱性行為。
As a matter of fact such cases did have occurred in the past . Some people insulted the national anthem by booing the national anthem in football stadium . Hence there is indeed a need to set out clear laws and penalties to prohibit these insulting behaviours
總的來說，我認為我們應該教、規、懲並重，一方面令大家明白我們在同一個國家，大家都是中華人民共和國的公民。
Overall speaking I think we should attach equal importance to education regulation and punishment . On the one hand we should make people understand that we belong to the same country and all of us are citizens of the Peoples Republic of China
中華民族五千年文明源遠流長，泱泱大國，大家應該尊重我們的國家，亦應該尊重和維護作為國家的象徵和標誌的國歌......
The Chinese nation has a long history with 5 000 years of civilization making it great and impressive . We should respect our country and also respect and protect the national anthem which is the symbol and sign of the country
同時，對一些心存不軌、意圖侮辱國歌的人應該施以適當的刑責和罰則，予以阻嚇。
At the same time appropriate criminal liability and penalties should be imposed on those who intend to insult the national anthem with ulterior motives with a view to creating a deterrent effect
議員談得較多的另一點是罰則水平，有議員甚至形容《條例草案》是嚴刑峻法。
The level of penalty is another issue which is often touched on by Members some of them even described the Bill as draconian
就此，我重申《條例草案》所訂的刑罰水平，與《國旗及國徽條例》中侮辱國旗或國徽罪行的刑罰水平一致。
In this connection I must reiterate that the level of penalty proposed in the Bill is on par with that for the offence of insulting the national flag or the national emblem under the National Flag and National Emblem Ordinance
由於國歌和國旗、國徽同樣是國家的象徵和標誌，我們認為把侮辱國歌罪行的刑罰水平訂於與侮辱國旗或國徽罪行一致的刑罰水平是恰當的。
Given that the national anthem as well as the national flag and the national emblem are the symbol and sign of our country we consider it appropriate to set the level of penalty for the offence of insulting the national anthem on par with that for the offence of insulting the national flag or the national emblem
再者，《條例草案》的刑罰只是最高刑罰，法庭會根據每宗案件的實際情況而量刑。
Besides the penalty stipulated in the Bill is the maximum penalty and the court will impose sentences after taking into account the actual circumstances of each case
我想回應的最後一點，是有關《條例草案》與言論自由的關係。
The last point that I wish to respond to is about the relationship between the Bill and the freedom of speech
部分議員認為《條例草案》一旦實施，會壓縮言論自由的空間。
Some Members hold that the freedom of speech will be compromised upon implementation of the Bill
我相信在座每一位，包括反對《條例草案》的議員都會同意，表達自由是重要的，但並非沒有界限。
I believe everyone present in the Chamber including those Members who oppose the Bill would agree that whilst the freedom of expression is essential it is not without limits
《條例草案》只限制一種表達方式，即禁止市民以公開和故意侮辱國歌的方式表達意見，這種限制是有限度和合理的。
The Bill restricts only one form of expression by prohibiting members of the public from expressing opinions by way of publicly and intentionally insulting the national anthem . Such restriction is a limited and reasonable one
終審法院於1999年審理涉及侮辱國旗的吳恭劭案時，已清楚確立這一點︰《基本法》保障表達自由，但國旗作為國家的象徵，限制以侮辱國旗方式表達意見並不違反《基本法》。
When hearing the case of NG Kung - siu in 1999 involving desecration of the national flag the Court of Final Appeal has clearly established that The freedom of expression is protected by the Basic Law but given that the national flag is the symbol of the country the restriction on expressing opinions by way of insulting the national flag does not constitute a violation of the Basic Law
特區政府在過去兩年引述了這宗案例很多次，我希望各位議員能夠實事求是，不應利用《條例草案》製造不必要的恐慌。
The SAR Government has cited this case law time and again over the past two years . I hope Members can be pragmatic and they should not make use of the Bill to create unnecessary panic
主席，正如剛才所說，《國歌法》已列入《基本法》附件三......
President as I have mentioned earlier the National Anthem Law has been added to Annex III to the Basic Law
香港特區，包括政府及立法機關，都有憲制責任盡早在本地落實實施。
HKSAR including the Government and the legislature has the constitutional duty to implement the National Anthem Law locally at the earliest possible time
主席，我動議恢復二讀《條例草案》，希望議員能支持並通過《條例草案》。
President I move that the Second Reading of the Bill be resumed and hope Members will support its passage
我現在向各位提出的待決議題是：《國歌條例草案》，予以二讀。
I now put the question to you and that is That the National Anthem Bill be read the Second time
梁君彥主席，你剛才說朱凱廸議員的紙牌內容與今天會議的議題無關，那麼你應該先請他收起紙牌，而不是立即把他趕離會議廳。
President Andrew LEUNG just now you said that the statement on Mr CHU Hoi - dicks placard was irrelevant to the subject of our meeting today . If so you should have first asked him to put away his placard instead of expelling him from the Chamber right away
我希望我們以事論事，講道理，讓社會可以保留我們向來尊重的法治和文明。
I hope we can stick to the topic and be reasonable so that the rule of law and civilization which we respect all along will be safeguarded in society
當然，有些人說已經淪落得無可救藥，可能是的。
Of course some people would say that the Legislative Council has already degenerated to a hopeless state
因為說到底，我們不是阻止任何人表達他們的意見，我們只是將有關限制訂得十分狹窄，很小心、很合尺地訂明，大家有權表達要說的內容，不過，在芸芸表達方式中，不能侮辱國徽、國旗和國歌，便是這麼簡單。
After all we are not preventing any person from expressing their views . The scope of restriction is really narrow . We have been very cautious and reasonable in stipulating the contents which people have the right to express
請大家在餘下的二讀辯論時間把握機會發言。
Will Members please take the opportunity to speak in the remaining time of the Second Reading debate
局長，你是否想回應？
Secretary do you wish to reply?