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代理主席，有關知識產權的政策能夠與時並進，當然是一件好事，同時，得到業界支持，政府更應加大力度推動其發展。
Deputy President it is definitely a good thing to see our intellectual property rights policy keep abreast of the times . There is now industry support so the Government should step up its promotion efforts
梁君彥，我發言反對梁志祥議員的"跨境安老"議案。
Andrew LEUNG I speak in opposition to Mr LEUNG Che - cheungs motion on Cross - boundary elderly care
我剛剛在一個抗議行動回來，在海港政府大樓樓下有一批宏光護老院聘請的中國大陸外勞連同工會人士在那裏提出抗議，因為那個老闆剋扣工資。
I have just returned from below the Harbour Building where a protest is staged by a group of Mainland - imported workers working for Wing Kwong Care Home for the Elderly alongside some unionists to raise objection against the employers unreasonable deduction of salaries
工人除了在回鄉的日子，其餘日子全年無休地上班，沒有假期，一天工作12小時，有時候"追更"甚至要連續工作24小時。
These workers work day after day without taking any time off except for the days they spend on the trip to the Mainland . They usually work 12 hours a day or 24 hours when they are on consecutive shifts
而他們支付的中介費用非常駭人，在內地要支付人民幣21,000元，來港後要再支付20,000元給老闆。
The amount of placement fee they pay is stunning RMB 21,000 paid on the Mainland and 20,000 to the employer after coming to Hong Kong
我覺得很奇怪，主席，為何我們的安老政策要有跨境安排。
President I find it strange that cross - boundary arrangement is such a staple in our elderly care policy
我剛剛出席的行動，便是關於一些跨境來港處理我們老人問題的外勞。
The protest action that I participated just now involves imported workers who cross the boundary to deal with our elderly problem
政府、安老事務委員會主席林正財、行政會議成員加上羅致光"唱雙簧"，說我們需要增加輸入外勞來解決香港人口老化問題，解決護理人手長期不足的問題，又要跨境。
Meanwhile the Government LAM Ching - choi members of the Executive Council and LAW Chi - kwong have all joined in the chorus saying we should import more foreign workers to tackle population ageing in Hong Kong and resolve our long - term shortage of health care staff again a cross - boundary arrangement
今天梁志祥議員說不如送老人跨境，讓他們返回內地養老。
Mr LEUNG Che - cheung today suggests sending elderly persons across the boundary and letting them spend their advanced years on the Mainland
立法會秘書處在梁志祥議員要求下，研究了選定地方的福利跨境可攜性安排，指出在過去10年，在綜援長者廣東及福建省養老計劃的綜援個案累積下跌58%，到2017年只有1,300多宗，佔整體領取綜援的長者個案少於1%。
At the request of Mr LEUNG Che - cheung the Legislative Council Secretariat has made a study on the portability of welfare benefits in selected places . The findings show that in the last 10 years the number of elderly recipients under the Portable Comprehensive Social Security Assistance Scheme has fallen cumulatively by 58 % . In 2017 the relevant number dropped to 1 300 or so making up less than 1 % of all elderly CSSA recipients
再看看跨境的"生果金"及長者生活津貼的申請人數，現時只有1萬多，佔整體領取"生果金"及長者生活津貼的人數大約不足3%。
The number of applications for cross - boundary Fruit Money and Old Age Living Allowance now merely stands at over 10 000 making up less than 3 % of all recipients of Fruit Money and Old Age Living Allowance approximately
跨境院舍長期空置，床位數以百計，但只有寥寥可數的香港長者入住。
But what actually happens is that these cross - boundary residential care homes are largely vacant for an extended period with only a few Hong Kong elderly persons residing there among hundreds of places on offer
跨境只是百中無一的選擇，還是請你先處理好本地的情況吧。
It would be better if you could tackle the local situation first
老闆如何對待，員工便如何對待服務使用者。
And the way an employer treats the staff is certainly reflected in the way the staff treats the service users
你還說要跨境，要向內地院舍買位，又說甚麼這種券、那種券，卻連在香港的院舍也監察不來。
And you are advocating cross - boundary arrangements suggesting the purchase of places from Mainland homes the use of this and that vouchers while failing to regulate even those residential care homes within Hong Kong
要衝鋒突擊隊嗎？
Do we need any emergency ambush unit then?
如果有違規情況，怎麼辦？
How should we tackle those possible offences?
所以，拜託政府要做好本分，為了香港的長者，做好規劃，不要再"拉布"了，要多興建院舍。
Therefore please could the Government work hard to fulfil its basic responsibilities? . Would it care for the sake of our elderly to do good planning and build more residential care homes without delay?
在現時的土地大辯論，不見你說要興建很多院舍，設置很多照顧老人家或殘障人士的設施？
In the current land policy debate how come I have not heard you suggest building many residential care homes and installing plenty of facilities for the aged or the handicapped?
主席，首先，我要感謝梁志祥議員提出這項"跨境安老"議案，讓我們有機會就跨境安老問題進行辯論。
President I would first of all like to thank Mr LEUNG Che - cheung for proposing this motion on Cross - boundary elderly care so that we can have a chance to debate on the issue
其實民建聯非常支持長者在香港安老，但我認為這項議案可讓長者有多一個選擇。
In fact the Democratic Alliance for the Betterment and Progress of Hong Kong DAB fully agrees that elderly persons should be encouraged to spend their twilight years in Hong Kong but I think this motion can offer them one more choice
我經常強調"有得揀，你至係老闆"，所以特區政府必須設法加強推行措施，便利更多長者回內地養老。
I often stress that if you want to be the boss you must have the right to choose and the SAR Government should strive to implement enhanced measures to facilitate more elderly persons to live their retirement life on the Mainland
眾所周知，香港地少人多，生活水平偏高，安老服務的成本非常高昂。
As we all know Hong Kong is a small and densely populated city with a relatively high living standard and the costs of providing elderly care services here are extremely high
所以，政府推出"廣東計劃"和"福建計劃"，我認為也是一項德政。
I therefore consider it the Governments benevolent measure to introduce the Guangdong Scheme and the Fujian Scheme
第二，政府應再接再厲，在"廣東計劃"和"福建計劃"以外，訂定靈活變通的辦法，把有關計劃擴展至內地其他省份，以便在其他省份定居的長者也能受惠。
Secondly the Government should make persistent efforts to introduce flexible arrangements other than the Guangdong Scheme and the Fujian Scheme so that such schemes would be extended to other provinces on the Mainland thus benefiting also elderly persons living in these provinces
現時有很多長者來自上海、杭州等地，他們均 無法參與有關計劃，所以，政府可否考慮在"廣東計劃"和"福建計劃"以外，訂定可讓他們受惠的計劃呢？
There are now many elderly persons coming from such places as Shanghai and Hangzhou but they cannot join the relevant schemes and is it possible for the Government to consider introducing schemes in addition to the Guangdong Scheme and the Fujian Scheme to benefit these elderly persons?
這也是大部分長者過往的想法，希望能更加有效地返回國內安享晚年。
This is also the hope of many elderly persons who have previously indicated their wish to make more effective arrangements for enjoying their twilight years on the Mainland
主席，我剛才已提及醫療問題和經濟問題，但另一關鍵問題是香港人口老化，對安老宿位的需求很大。
President I have already touched on the medical problem and the financial issue but the keen demand for residential care places for the elderly is another crucial factor and it is brought about by the problem of an ageing population in Hong Kong
社會福利署的數字顯示，截至本年4月30日為止，本港已有38,063位長者正在輪候院舍，而相信大家也知道，最長的輪候年期是3年。
According to the figures of the Social Welfare Department SWD as at 30 April this year there were 38 063 elderly persons waiting for residential care places and we all know that the longest waiting time is three years
我經常強調跨境安老是其中一個選擇，讓長者可以解決安老問題。
As I have often emphasized cross - boundary elderly care is one of the options for addressing the needs of elderly persons in this respect
據我所知，社會福利署已於2014年推行廣東院舍住宿照顧服務試驗計劃，讓一些香港福利機構，例如香港復康會和伸手助人協會，在深圳和肇慶購買資助宿位供香港長者入住。
To my knowledge SWD has launched in 2014 the Pilot Residential Care Services Scheme in Guangdong under which welfare organizations in Hong Kong such as the Hong Kong Society for Rehabilitation and the Helping Hand can purchase subsidized residential care places in Shenzhen and Zhaoqing for application by the elderly in Hong Kong
但是，政府可否就此承擔更大的推動和互動角色，讓更多香港福利機構在國內開拓更加良好的產業發展，以便向長者提供更適切服務呢？
However I wonder if the Government can assume a more active role in promoting work in this area and interacting with different parties so that more welfare organizations in Hong Kong can achieve better development of industries on the Mainland with a view to providing elderly persons with more appropriate services
所以我期望透過今次辯論告訴政府，希望它能以更大氣魄和承擔精神，多想一步，為香港的安老服務再創新猷，在這方面發揮更大的成效。
I therefore hope to reflect to the Government with this debate held today that it is expected to demonstrate greater courage and commitment and consider going one step further to introduce additional new measures with a view to enhancing the effectiveness of elderly care services provided in Hong Kong
代理主席，香港擁有多項世界第一，其中一項是人均壽命，近年已經超越日本，稱冠全球。
Deputy President Hong Kong owns several number one status one of which is about average lifespans . The average lifespan of Hong Kong people has exceeded that of the people in Japan over the recent years and become world number one
市民長壽當然是好事，但人口高齡化亦為香港社會帶來多方面的挑戰。
Longevity is certainly a blessing but an ageing population also brings many challenges to the Hong Kong society . The cost of living in Hong Kong is very high and is probably among the few tops of the world
香港的生活指數非常高，算是全球數一數二，衣、食、住、行均十分昂貴，人均居住面積細小，安老設施不足，加上生活節奏急速，有部分香港人，尤其是上了年紀的長者，退休後均會選擇返回內地鄉下或其他內地城市居住，希望可以住好一些、吃好一些、晚年開心一些。
The costs of clothing food living and transport are expensive . The per capita living space is small . Inadequate elderly care facilities coupled with the fast tempo of life have prompted some Hong Kong people especially the elders to opt for returning to their hometown or other Mainland cities after retirement in order to live better eat better and be happier in their twilight years
根據香港政府統計處於2011年進行的統計，當時已經有接近8萬名65歲或以上的香港長者長期或經常在內地居住，佔全港長者人口約8%，這個已經是7年前的數字，現在肯定不止這個數目。
According to a survey conducted by the Census and Statistics Department of the Government in 2011 about 80 000 Hong Kong elderly persons aged 65 or above permanently or frequently resided on the Mainland accounting for about 8 % of the total elderly population of Hong Kong . This was the number seven years ago and the latest number is definitely more than this number
隨着國家推出粵港澳大灣區規劃，以及陸續在房屋、醫療、福利和退休保障方面，給予在內地生活的港澳居民"國民待遇"，相信未來數年會有更多香港長者選擇在內地安享晚年。
With the launch of the planning of the Guangdong - Hong Kong - Macao Bay Area our country has progressively offered national treatments to Hong Kong and Macao residents living on the Mainland in respect of housing medical care social welfare and retirement protection . We believe more and more Hong Kong elderly people will choose to retire on the Mainland
特區政府有責任向他們提供協助，因為他們過去為香港付出很多，為香港的繁榮作出不少貢獻。
The SAR Government has the responsibility to provide assistance to these people for the past efforts they made for Hong Kong . They have contributed a lot to the prosperity of Hong Kong
因此，對於梁志祥議員提出的原議案，以及梁美芬議員和黃國健議員提出的修正案，要求港府落實更全面的福利跨境可攜性安排，推出更多措施便利香港長者在內地求診、入住院舍等，我均表示支持。
Hence I support the original motion proposed by Mr LEUNG Che - cheung and the amendments proposed by Dr Priscilla LEUNG and Mr WONG Kwok - kin to request the Hong Kong Government to implement more cross - boundary portability arrangements for welfare benefits introduce more measures to facilitate Hong Kong elderly people to seek medical consultations and live in residential care homes on the Mainland
就楊岳橋議員的修正案，由於他刪除了原議案的部分重要內容，所以我是不能支持的。
Since Mr Alvin YEUNG has deleted some important content of the original motion in his amendment I am afraid I cannot support his amendment
但是，我認同政府在開拓內地跨境安老服務的同時，也要考慮投放更多資源在香港的安老服務及規劃。
However I agree that while developing cross - boundary elderly care services on the Mainland the Government should also consider injecting more resources into elderly care services and planning in Hong Kong
現時香港提供適合長者居住的房屋及配套設施時，完全缺乏政策和規劃。
At present housing units and supporting facilities for the elderly in Hong Kong lack a policy and planning
本港不少65歲以上的長者，身體仍然非常健康，只要居住單位設計能夠切合他們的需要，提供足夠的社區配套和科技應用等，便可加強他們的自我照顧能力，無須入住院舍或可押後入住，真正做到居家安老。
Many elderly persons aged over 65 in Hong Kong are still very healthy . With housing designs that are tailored to their needs and sufficient community facilities and use of technology elderly persons can enhance their self - care ability and they can save themselves from or delay the need of living in residential care homes and truly achieve ageing in place
會議現正進行中，請各位議員肅靜，舉止亦須保持莊重。
The meeting is in progress . Will Members please keep quiet and act with decorum
我再次警告，若議員仍在座位上叫喊，我會視之為行為極不檢點。
I now serve you a second warning . If Members still yell in their seats I will consider that their conduct is grossly disorderly
我們已經在本月15日收到港鐵公司提交的報告。
We received the report submitted by MTR Corporation Limited MTRCL on 15 June
報告指出，禮頓建築有限公司的其中一個分判商向港鐵公司的陳述，其內容與禮頓向港鐵公司作出的陳述不相符，而禮頓對於該分判商的指控強烈否認，港鐵公司則未有就此事情作出任何意見。
The report states that the statements given by one of the subcontractors of Leighton Contractors Asia Limited Leighton are not consistent with those given to MTRCL by Leighton who has strenuously denied the allegations . MTRCL did not express any opinion on this matter
根據港鐵公司當天就此事另行向路政署提供的資料，路政署認為事情或會涉及刑事成分，因此已將事宜轉介警方跟進。
According to the information provided by MTRCL separately to the Highways Department HyD HyD considers that the matter may involve criminality and HyD has therefore referred the matter to the Police for follow - up action
至於報告的其他內容及技術性資料，路政署和其他相關的部門深入審視，有需要時會要求港鐵公司澄清資料或作進一步補充。
As regards other contents and technical information in the report HyD will thoroughly examine and request MTRCL to make clarifications or provide supplementary information if necessary
路政署亦已要求港鐵公司委聘第三方獨立專家進行負重荷載的測試。
HyD has already required MTRCL to employ an independent third - party expert to carry out load tests
與此同時，行政長官已於6月12日宣布決定按本港法例第86章《調查委員會條例》，成立調查委員會，就事件進行獨立及全面的調查，以釋除公眾的疑慮。
At the same time the Chief Executive announced on 12 June the decision on the setting up of a Commission of Inquiry under the Commissions of Inquiry Ordinance Cap . 86 to conduct an independent and comprehensive investigation in order to allay the concerns of the public
一 港鐵公司在本月15日提交的報告，並無交代港鐵公司前線人員，在發現工程質量問題時，沒有及時向董事局及政府作出通報的理據。
1 The report submitted by MTRCL on 15 June does not elaborate the rationale for not reporting to its board and the Government when the frontline staff of MTRCL discovered the problem in quality of the works
路政署已提醒港鐵公司作為沙中線工程的項目管理人，必須繼續嚴格遵行其在委託協議下的責任，包括確立所有相關的事實，並確保沙中線工程的質量。
HyD has reminded MTRCL that being the project manager of SCL project MTRCL has to strictly comply with the responsibility under the Entrustment Agreement including verification of the facts of all related issues and ensure the quality of works of SCL
二 港鐵公司受政府委託進行沙中線工程的設計、建造和試運行。
2 MTRCL was entrusted by the Government to design construction and commissioning of SCL project
根據港鐵公司與政府簽訂的委託協議，港鐵公司須確保這些委託工作能達至一個專業而在合理的期望下應所具備的技能和監督水平，包括須確保工程質量達到要求的標 準。
According to the Entrustment Agreement signed between MTRCL and the Government MTRCL warrants that the Entrustment Activities shall be carried out with the skill and care reasonably to be expected of a professional including the assurance of quality of works up to the standards required
路政署在其監察及核證顧問的協助下，負責核實港鐵公司有否遵行該公司在委託協議下作為項目管理人的責任。
HyD with the assistance of its Monitoring and Verification MV consultant is responsible for verifying whether MTRCL has complied with its responsibility as the project manager under the Entrustment Agreement
路政署與監核顧問有定期派員巡查沙中線項目工地，一般每月巡視6至8個合約，而紅磡站合約則每隔約3個月進行視察。
HyD and MV consultant visit the sites of SCL regularly . In general about six to eight works contracts are visited in a month and the works contract of Hung Hom Station is visited about once in every three months
但是，由於路政署擔任上述監察和核實的角色，實質上是"核實監督者"，即核實港鐵公司是否有按指定要求執行相關的程序；路政署一般是不會在施工現場巡查關鍵檢查點，有關工作由港鐵公司負責。
However as the above monitoring and verification role that HyD is assuming is to check the checker that is verifying whether MTRCL has implemented the relevant procedures according to its specified requirements; HyD generally does not check at the hold point on site and MTRCL is responsible for such checking
在結構安全方面，視乎工程是位於政府土地或租契土地內，沙中線工程的設計和建造由不同的機制監管。
On structural safety depending on whether the project is located within unleased land or leased land the design and construction of SCL project is governed by different mechanisms
但是，不論何種機制，對工程在結構安全方面的要求，也需要與《建築物條例》有關監察工程制度方面的要求看齊。
Regardless of the type of mechanism structural safety requirements of the project also have to be on par with the requirements of works supervision under the Buildings Ordinance Cap
政府與港鐵公司自2014年6月起，向立法會鐵路事宜小組委員會提交工程進度的季度報告，並出席小組委員會會議，回應議員的提問。沙中線項目仍在進行，當工程完成後，港鐵公司須向政府提交所需文件及竣工報告以供審核並確認。此外，在有關工程移交給政府前，路政署將聯同其監核顧問和相關政府部門參與港鐵公司的竣工前驗收工作。
Since June 2014 the Government and MTRCL have submitted quarterly reports on the works progress to the Subcommittee on Matters Relating to Railways RSC of the Legislative Council and attended RSC meetings in response to queries from the members
主席，除了紅磡站外，近日，同屬於沙中線的土瓜灣站及會展站，均先後揭發有工程不合格的問題。
President Hung Hom Station aside substandard works at To Kwa Wan Station and Exhibition Centre Station of SCL have also come to light
當然，除了承建商外，港鐵公司及政府的監管也可能出現問題。
The contractors are of course to blame but there may also be problems with the supervision of MTRCL and the Government
主席，我想問局長，除了主體答覆指出在2014年年中採取過措施外，在獨立調查委員會及警方調查有結果前，政府會採取甚麼措施，重拾市民對鐵路工程及基建工程的信心呢？
President besides the measures put in place in mid - 2014 as listed in the main reply what measures will the Government implement before the Independent Commission of Inquiry and the Police come up with any investigation findings so as to restore public confidence in railway and infrastructural projects?
主席，多謝謝議員的質詢。
President I thank the Honourable Member for his question
就鐵路工程的監管，基本上政府一直進行3個層面的監察工作。
Basically the Government has been monitoring the rail project at three levels
首先，由路政署署長主持的項目監管委員會每月會舉行會議，以檢討項目的進度，包括設計、建造及試運行，並會對相關的採購活動、招標後的成本控制、有關合 約申索的處理及與項目有關的關鍵問題，進行監察及討論。
First the Project Supervision Committee chaired by the Director of Highways holds monthly meetings to review the progress of the project covering various aspects such as design construction and test runs . It will also monitor and discuss procurement activities post - tender cost control resolution of contractual claims and various key issues of the project
港鐵公司每月會向路政署提交進度報告，匯報沙中線項目的最新進展及財務狀況。
MTRCL is required to report the latest progress and financial position of the SCL project to HyD in the form of monthly progress reports
此外，路政署一名助理署長級的人員，每月都與港鐵公司的總經理及項目經理舉行項目統籌會議，處理在設計、建造及環境等方面，對於項目的進度及時間表或有潛在影響的事項，以及與其他項目的銜接事宜。
Moreover an HyD official at Assistant Director level also holds a Project Coordination Meeting with the General Managers and Project Managers of MTRCL every month . At a monthly meeting they will handle various design construction and environmental issues having potential impact on the progress schedules of the SCL project and also other issues concerning its convergence with other projects
第三，路政署兩名總工程師級同事，每個月均與港鐵公司的工地督導人員，就主要的土木及機電工程舉行項目進度會議，了解和查閱各合約的最新情況。
Third two officials at Chief Engineer level will hold monthly Project Progress Meetings with MTRCLs site supervision staff on major civil electrical and mechanical engineering works in order to ascertain and audit the latest progress of the various contracts
我現在要問陳帆局長，你會否考慮問責下台；如果不會，原因是甚麼？
Secretary Frank CHAN will you consider stepping down as a show of accountability? . If not why?
其後，我們的同事在9月15日及16日兩天均不斷與中科公司有關人士聯絡。
For two days afterwards on 15 and 16 September our colleagues kept contacting that person in China Technology
當社會發展到一個地步，有一些人在市場上未必找到直接作出貢獻的位置，又或他們生活上需要照顧，於是政府便給他們一個選擇，好像日本的《楢山節考》般，帶母親到大灣區安享晚年。
In the development of a community there comes a stage when some people may not be able to find a role to directly contribute to the economy or they may need other people to take care of their living . And at this juncture the Government gives them a choice like in The Ballad of Narayama of Japan the old mother is taken to the Bay Area to spend her remaining years
現在或未來十多二十年的長者，很多是生於1960年或1950年代，在香港慢慢經營他們的事業，在香港長大，甚至可以說是土生土長的一群。
The elderly persons now or in the coming 10 to 20 years are mostly born in the 1960s or 1950s . They gradually built up their business; they grew up in Hong Kong and they are truly born and raised up here
觀念上跟1990年代不同，1979年改革開放，然後經過1989年天安門屠城後，似乎中國真的改變了。
Unlike the 1990s 1979 was conceptually the year of reform and opening - up . Having weathered the Tiananmen Massacre in 1989 China seemed to have changed
所以，1990年代很多人回內地居住，因為內地相對物價低廉，人民幣低水。
Hence in the 1990s many people returned to the Mainland for living because of the relatively low commodity prices and the low conversion rate of Renminbi
所以，現在辯論的"跨境安老"只有一個方向，就是沒有經濟條件、在香港無親無故的獨居老人。
So this debate on Cross - boundary elderly care can only direct at the singleton elders who do not have the economic means and do not have any family or relatives in Hong Kong
根據政府統計處今年3月發表的中期人口統計調查，主題是"長者"，明顯看到香港的獨居老人有上升趨勢，最少有15萬名獨居長者。
The Population By - census Thematic Report on Older Persons published by the Census and Statistics Department of the Government in March 2018 shows an obvious increasing trend of older persons living alone . There were at least 150 000 older persons living alone
如果說"跨境安老"，我認為大家針對的是這群長者，他們沒有錢，沒有選擇，不能在香港生活，連"劏房"也負擔不來，被迫回內地，或在香港無親無故，沒有太大意見的，便到大灣區安老。
In my opinion when we talk about Cross - boundary elderly care we are focusing on this group of elderly persons because they do not have money . They have no choice because they cannot even afford to live in sub - divided units . They cannot live in Hong Kong
這是我們整個社會要背負《楢山節考》所述的罪，我們沒有理由用這種方法來對待這群長者的晚年。
This is the sin as described in The Ballad of Narayama that our society as a whole has to bear . We have no reason to treat these elders like this at their old age
單純基於他們生於斯長於斯，我反對這項議案。
Simply because they are born and live here I am against this motion
主席，我認為我們的展示品與今天的會議有關，因為我很希望主席能英明領導，不要濫用《議事規則》，以及要妥善執行《議事規則》。
President I maintain that our display boards are related to todays meeting because I hope the President can chair the meeting wisely and properly enforce not abuse the Rules of Procedure
范議員，我已作出裁決，請你把展示牌收起。
Mr FAN I have already made my ruling . Please remove your display board
我會依次請要動議修正案的梁美芬議員、黃國健議員及楊岳橋議員發言，但他們在現階段不可動議修正案。
I will call upon Members who move the amendments to speak in the following order Dr Priscilla LEUNG Mr WONG Kwok - kin and Mr Alvin YEUNG but they may not move the amendments at this stage
主席，我首先要感謝23位議員就"跨境安老"這項議案提出意見。
President I must first thank the 23 Members for their views on this motion entitled Cross - boundary elderly care
其實，香港的保險公司同意納入一些內地的甲級醫院，可以接受繳交保費的安排，所以技術上完全不成問題，只是我們認為有需要將醫院改為採用港式管理，希望得到更多香港市民認同。
Actually Hong Kongs insurance companies have agreed to include some Grade - A Mainland hospitals and they can accept the arrangements for premium payments . So technically there is no problem at all only that we consider it necessary for hospitals to instead adopt Hong Kong - style management so as to gain the approval of more Hong Kong people
在這方面，我亦希望不會因此而減少香港的醫療人手。
In this regard I hope this will not reduce the manpower for Hong Kongs health care system
鄭松泰議員提出了一種我認為較可笑的說法，他將"跨境安老"描述為"跨境棄老"。
A point raised by Dr CHENG Chung - tai sounds quite ridiculous to me . He dismissed cross - boundary elderly care as cross - boundary abandoning of elderly people
對於梁美芬議員及黃國健議員的修正案，我表示支持，而會反對楊岳橋議員的修正案，因為他只提出了關於各方面的考慮，但對實質安排卻沒有任何開拓性的建議，所以我表示反對。
I will support the amendments of Dr Priscilla LEUNG and Mr WONG Kwok - kin and oppose Mr Alvin YEUNGs amendment . The reason is that he has merely brought up various considerations without putting forth any insightful proposals on the concrete arrangements . Therefore I will oppose it
主席，我首先很感謝民主建港協進聯盟的梁志祥議員今天提出了一項這麼好的"跨境安老"議案。
President first of all I thank Mr LEUNG Che - cheung from the Democratic Alliance for the Betterment and Progress of Hong Kong for moving such a wonderful motion on Cross - boundary elderly care today
事實上，照顧長者是社會的應有之義，對於香港人口老化的問題，我們當然絕對不能夠坐視不理。
Taking care of the elderly is in fact a due responsibility of society and we of course cannot turn a blind eye to the problem of ageing population in Hong Kong
有同事剛才已經提到，長者選擇養老的地方當然離不開：第一，要有完善的醫療服務。第二，他們會考慮相對的成本。
As some colleagues already mentioned when choosing a place to spend their twilight years the elderly will surely consider firstly whether it has comprehensive health care services and secondly whether the costs will be relatively lower
事實上，這是有成功的例子。
In fact we have a successful example
現時深圳有一所由香港大學與深圳合辦的醫院，自2015年開始，長者醫療券亦可以在那裏使用。
At present in Shenzhen there is a hospital co - established by the University of Hong Kong and the Shenzhen authorities where elderly health care vouchers can also be used since 2015
當然，我們知道這只是一個試點，但我們認為千萬不要就這樣停下來，我們希望有更多類似的香港與內地協作模式營運的醫院，可以在內地特別是大灣區開展。
Of course we know that this is only a pilot scheme but we do not want it to stop there . It is our hope that more similar hospitals operating under a model of collaboration between Hong Kong and the Mainland can be established in the Mainland especially in the Bay Area