Borrison/hk-legicost huggingface dataset:
我亦十分高興葉建源議員身為教育界代表，當香港學生唱這些粗鄙的歌曲、搖頭擺腦時，他不作聲，但今天卻在這裏指控何君堯，而我只是轉述林卓廷議員在7月21日所發生的事情，他竟形容得好像我才是製造這些說話內容的人，其實我只是向大家傳遞有關的信息，原來傳遞聲音也可以令他作出如此大的反應......
I am also very glad that Mr IP Kin - yuen who never uttered a word as a representative of the education sector when Hong Kong students sang these vulgar songs shaking their heads but is here today to accuse Junius HO and I am only referring to what happened to Mr LAM Cheuk - ting on 21 July . According to his description it seems as if I were the one who made such remarks but in fact I am only conveying to everyone the information concerned . I never know that my repeat of someone elses words would have triggered such strong reaction from him
主席，我繼續說回這些不雅內容裏的一些撮要。
President I continue with the summary of these indecent contents in question
四次的挑釁行動裏，已經顯示出林卓廷議員在7月21日當時所扮演的角色非常重要，他亦是導致7月21日毆打事件的核心人物。
The four rounds of provocation have already illustrated the importance of the role played by Mr LAM Cheuk - ting at that juncture on 21 July he was also the central figure who contributed to the occurrence of the 21 July assault incident
在林議員作出兩次嚴重挑釁舉動的情況下，事件不斷升溫。
The incident heated up after two rounds of provocation by Mr LAM
19分33秒至19分46秒，林議員與白衣人打鬥，但林議員不敵對手，唯有掉頭 返回車廂，時間是20分02秒。
Between 19 minute 33 second and 19 minute 46 second Mr LAM fought with white - clad people but since he was no match to his adversary he could only turn around to get back into the train compartment at 20 minute 02 second
"用雨傘作武器是暴徒慣用手法一名白衣人進入車廂內，看到他們手持雨傘，便唯有與對方展開打鬥。
―using umbrellas as weapons is a common tactic employed by the rioters―a man in white entered the train compartment and on seeing those people of the other side holding umbrellas in their hands he could only enter into a fight with them
此時亦有男子叫女子不要大叫，並說："大家冷靜！
At this moment a man was also heard telling a woman not to shout and he said Everybody calm down!
當時，有一名白衣男子大叫"唔好打"，並以身體擋着市民，保護他們，此時，白衣人亦撤退至車廂外並叫道："走！
And at this point the people in white also retreated to the outside of the train compartment and shouted Go!
"此外，一名配戴眼鏡的男子跪地求饒，然後有身穿藍衣的肥胖男子一拳打在該男子身上。
In addition a bespectacled man knelt on the ground to beg for mercy but then a fat man in blue punched him
在被擊敗後，只好"從哪裏來，便從哪裏離去"。
Upon being defeated they could only leave for where they came from
主席，我這項議案清楚指出了林卓廷議員當時參與的活動及其角色為何。
President my motion gives a clear account of what activities Mr LAM Cheuk - ting has engaged in as well as the role he played that night
對於容海恩議員根據《議事規則》第49B條動議譴責鄭松泰議員的議案，我表示支持。當然，我會反對由反對派提出的counter motion。
I express my support to the motion moved by Ms YUNG Hoi - yan under Rule 49B1A of the Rules of Procedure to censure Dr CHENG Chung - tai and also my opposition of course to the counter motion moved by the opposition camp
主席，很簡單，調查與否，當然最好就不用調查，但表面上有一些事情發生了，能夠在議會及這個大Chamber解釋清楚，能夠"一招了"的話，那便最好。
President regarding the question of whether investigation should be conducted of course it is best not to conduct any investigation . But since some incidents have apparently happened the best arrangement is to get a clear explanation from those involved and deal with them at this Chamber of the Council in one go
然而，有時候，事態可以相當嚴重，因為我們並非只看單一個案，還要視乎整個事態的連續發展，我相信任何香港市民也很想知道整件事情的來龍去脈。
Nevertheless the situation can sometimes be rather serious as we are not looking at one single case but have to pay attention to the ongoing development of the overall saga . I believe anyone in Hong Kong also wants to know the cause and development of the whole saga
為何我昨天在涉及我個人的兩項議案不提出反對呢？
Why did I not oppose the two motions involving me yesterday?
這並不代表我承認，只是我的處事原則是要貫徹始終，有人指責我在"七二一"事件中有他們所說的事情發生，要調查我是可以的，不要緊，因為真金不怕洪爐火，我亦不會囉唆，但我要求進行一個全面調查。
This does not mean that I admit what is said in the motions but my principle is that I have to be consistent . Someone accused me of the things that they said happened in the 21 July incident . It is fine to investigate me as a person of intergrity can stand severe tests and I will also not complain a lot
我同意你調查我，同樣地，當我要"郁"林卓廷議員時，兩件事情是互相關連的，如果他是真金不怕洪爐火的話，他也不會反對，但這是稍後的議案。
However I ask for a comprehensive investigation . I agree that you investigate me but similarly when I want to fix Mr LAM Cheuk - ting since the two things are interrelated he should not oppose it if he is a person of integrity who can stand severe tests . Anyway this is something to do with the motion in due course
容海恩議員的議案中有兩段描述，其中第一段提到"以協助示威者避開警察耳目及對綜合大樓進行破壞"，這已是最核心的一點。
Ms YUNG Hoi - yans motion contains two paragraphs of description . One of them mentions thereby assisting the protesters to avoid Police detection and vandalize the LegCo Complex which is the core issue
所以，我認為大家不應浪費時間，應盡快交付調查委員會，一併調查，包括下一位林卓廷議員，大家不要站起來說話，你們夠膽就坐在這裏，全部人閉嘴，大家一起進行調查，說完，就這麼簡單。
Therefore I reckon that we should not waste any more time but refer the issues to an investigation committee which will conduct a comprehensive investigation including the case concerning Mr LAM Cheuk - ting which is coming next . Members will not stand up and speak . If you dare you just sit here and say nothing
你們支持這兩名罪犯，可能會連累他們，這是"盲撐"、"亂撐"，撐即同撐，胡亂支持。
Your support to these two criminals may implicate them . This is blind support random support . You people are giving support together or support for no reason
我們是其是，非其非，現在這個情況，全香港市民、全世界的人都關心香港發生了甚麼事情。
We are approving what is right and condemning what is wrong . As regards the present situation all people in Hong Kong and in the globe are concerned about what is going on in Hong Kong
我覺得這豈止是雙重標準，是超出標準，是三重、四重不是三從四德是三四重標準，"見人說人話，見鬼說鬼話"，站在鏡子前也看不到自己的錯處，其實自己的臉孔非常醜陋。
In my view this is more than double standard beyond our standard and is three or four times more―I am not referring to the three obediences and the four virtues―but triple or quadruple standards . You are a two - faced person . You cannot see your own mistakes when standing in front of a mirror and in fact you have a very ugly face
我們知道，作為政治人物通常不是很乾淨，但最低限度讓我看到一點尊嚴，尤其是郭榮鏗議員對近來香港發生的暴力事件隻字不提，不割席、不"篤灰"。
As we all know political figures are usually not very clean but they should at least show us some dignity . Mr Dennis KWOK in particular has been completely silent about the recent violent incidents in Hong Kong no severing ties and no snitching
但是，當香港政府出來止暴制亂，按照《緊急情況規例條例》訂立《禁止蒙面規例》，他第一時間率領20多位議員出來......
Nonetheless when the Hong Kong Government came forward to stop violence and curb disorder enacting the Prohibition on Face Covering Regulation pursuant to the Emergency Regulations Ordinance he immediately led more than 20 Members to come out
鄭松泰議員在7月1日為暴徒引路，告訴暴徒哪裏有"狗"，意思是"到這裏要小心，不要被拘捕"。
On 1 July Dr CHENG Chung - tai led the way for rioters telling them where the dogs were meaning that you have to be careful here and do not get arrested
我說他是，他就要接受嗎？
When I say he has such an identity does he have to accept it?
林卓廷議員大可以說，"我是廉政公署低級調查員，現在要調查你的案件"，這樣我們是不會阻攔他的。
Mr LAM Cheuk - ting can simply say I am a Junior Investigator of the Independent Commission Against Corruption ICAC and now I have to investigate your case . We will not get in his way then
主席，我發言完畢，多謝。
President I so submit . Thank you
其實，即使支持也不一定要在席，還有很多不同的表達方式。
In fact there are many more ways to show our support than sitting in the Chamber
剛才鄺俊宇議員和林卓廷議員說得義正詞嚴，批評議案把事件中的原告變成被告。
Just now Mr KWONG Chun - yu and Mr LAM Cheuk - ting spoke sternly with the force of justice and criticized the motion of turning the plaintiff of the case into the defendant
我想藉此機會與大家分享一宗案例。
I would like to take this opportunity to share with you a case
這宗案例發生在1992年的洛杉磯暴動，成為傳媒界的經典案例。
The case which took place during the 1992 Los Angeles riots later became a classic case in the media industry
是次暴動影響亞裔人士，當中包括韓國人。
Asians including Koreans were affected by the riots
其實在於傳媒，或林卓廷議員剛才提到的很多直播報道。
It was the media or the many live broadcasts mentioned earlier by Mr LAM Cheuk - ting
林卓廷議員又說被人毆打等。
Mr LAM Cheuk - ting said he was assaulted
甚至有人說何君堯議員......
Some people even said that Dr Junius HO
今天這項辯論本來不會發生，但反對派的陳志全議員他是一位我比較尊重的議員站起來提出一項反對將這項譴責議案所述的事宜交付調查委員會處理的議案，於是，我們今天像處於混戰中，辯論了兩三小時，各自說自己的道理。
This debate today should not have taken place but for the motion proposed by Mr CHAN Chi - chuen of the opposition camp―well he is a Member whom I quite respect―to oppose referring the matter stated in the motion to an investigation committee . Consequently we are like engaging in a free fight making our own points in the debate which has gone on for some two to three hours
其實，這也是社會上政治鬥爭的其中一環，而且，將會成為全香港一場長期戰爭。
Actually this is also one of the aspects of political struggle in society and it will become a prolonged war in Hong Kong
建制派或愛國愛港力量如果想在香港這個地方的選戰中獲得勝利，首先便要理解香港這個地方，以及香港人是怎麼樣的。
If the pro - establishment camp or the patriotic forces want to have victory in the elections in Hong Kong they will need to first understand this place and what Hong Kong people are like
整體上，經過殖民統治後，香港人比較缺少國家觀念，政治方面的知識和力量也比較薄弱，所以，如果我們想駕這艘大船向前行駛，愛國愛港......我們需要香港社會和諧穩定。
In general after the colonial rule Hong Kong people are devoid of a sense of national identity and politically their knowledge and competence are rather insufficient . Therefore if we want to steer this ship forward the patriotic we need stability and harmony in Hong Kong society
香港市民身處很多社會矛盾之中，情緒受很多挑動，包括有人會說打人不對、點火燒傷人不對、警察使用暴力不對等，就着很多細微的事情......
In the midst of numerous conflicts in society Hong Kong people are exposed to a lot of provocations as far as their emotions are concerned which include peoples criticisms against cases of assaults an incident of someone being set alight the use of violence by the Police etc and regarding many trivialities Please do not get me wrong
請別誤解我這句說話，在社會上，這些問題產生了很大矛盾，結果令人漠視了整個政治氛圍，也令我們的辯論變得相當困難，而且，這亦形成了我們在剛過去的區議會選舉中有些失利的形勢。
In society these issues have given rise to a great conflict causing people to ignore the overall political atmosphere and making our debate fairly difficult as a result . Moreover this has also put us in an unfavourable position in the District Council Election which was just over
可是，正如陸頌雄議員所說，選舉是一時，修養卻是一世。
However just like what Mr LUK Chung - hung said while an election is just a passing occasion our character is something that lasts a lifetime
我們真的知道如何令中華民族偉大復興，以及如何令香港和諧穩定，因此，我們提出了一個方向。
We really know how to make the Chinese nation great again and how to foster stability and harmony in Hong Kong so here we suggest a direction
即使我們不能立功，也要立德、立賢，在立法會中說出正理，阻止反對派藉着這些政治氛圍奪取政權，以及在議會中就任何議案都提出反對。
Even if we are unable to make any accomplishment we still have to build our virtue by speaking out the truth and stopping the opposition camp from making use of such political atmosphere to seize power and oppose whatever motions that are proposed in the Council
其實，今天這項議案正是源自這種氛圍。
In fact this motion today is a product of such kind of atmosphere
此外，我們也要就着他們的雙重標準提出辯斥。
Furthermore we have to reprove them for their double standard
今天，我們主要討論的，是鄭松泰議員帶着"暴徒導賞團"，在立法會內進行直播，介紹哪裏是洗手間，哪裏是保安室，哪裏是逃生路線，哪裏比較容易逃生等。
Today the focus of our discussion is the guided tour for rioters which was led by Dr CHENG Chung - tai who did a live broadcast to talk about things like the locations of the washrooms the security rooms the escape routes and the easiest way out
其實，朱凱廸議員、區諾軒議員等剛才也說得很清楚，我相信我無須再重複。
In fact Members such as Mr CHU Hoi - dick and Mr AU Nok - hin just made themselves clear and I believe there is no need for me to repeat what they said
全香港市民即使是支持他們陣營的市民都清楚鄭松泰議員此舉的背後意義是甚麼，但反對派議員卻選擇了陸頌雄議員剛才所說的"不'篤灰'、不割席"，即使明知道他帶領着暴徒進入某位置，又指明道路也好，他們都不會對他作出任何譴責。
All Hong Kong people―even for those who support their camp―are clear about the motive behind such behaviour of Dr CHENG Chung - tai but still Members of the opposition camp have chosen to stick with No snitching no severing ties which Mr LUK Chung - hung just mentioned . Even though they are well aware that he led the rioters into certain locations and showed them the way they still refuse to impose any censure on him
許智峯議員剛才提到究竟如何訂定譴責一名議員的標準，其實就是政治立場，就是這一條線，講完。
Mr HUI Chi - fung just talked about how the standard for censure against a Member should be set . Actually the answer is political stance . This is the line
第一，大家都知道他嘴裏說不出好話來，反對派議員......
First we all know that we can hardly expect a decent word from their mouths and Members of the opposition camp a glib talker over the past years
我發言支持郭榮鏗議員，根據《基本法》第七十三條第五項及第十項，動議傳召鄭若驊解說她涉及的非公職工作的議案。
I speak in support of the motion moved by Mr Dennis KWOK in accordance with Article 735 and 10 of the Basic Law to summon Teresa CHENG to explain her engagement in non - public work
律政司司長為何需要繼續處理這些具爭議性的工作？
Why did the Secretary for Justice continue to handle these controversial tasks?
這是理所當然的，因為她上任至今，圍繞她和她丈夫的安樂工程集團的爭議沒有減少。
This saying is right and proper . Since her assumption of office the controversy surrounding Analogue Holdings owned by her and her husband has not diminished
潘樂陶先生與鄭若驊女士都是安樂工程集團的大股東，該集團最少有1宗工程與政府有關，就是牛潭尾濾水廠和大埔濾水廠涉及1億3,000萬元的工程維修合約，但沒有經過招標。
Both Mr Otto POON and Ms Teresa CHENG are major shareholders of Analogue Holdings . The Holdings has at least one project related to the Government which is a contract of 130 million involving maintenance works at the Ngau Tam Mei Water Treatment Works and the Tai Po Water Treatment Works . However no tendering had been conducted
1億3,000萬元的政府工程無須招標便批予律政司司長的丈夫，政府還要若無其事，出來"盲撐"。
A government project of 130 million was awarded to the husband of the Secretary for Justice without tendering and the Government still indiscriminately supported her as if nothing has happened
這事令公眾對政府失去信心，也令香港法治的形象低落。
This incident has eroded public confidence in the Government and has also degraded the image of the rule of law in Hong Kong
為何我們一直說，要維護香港的核心價值，包括自由和法治，令國際投資者繼續在香港投資？
Why do we always say that we must safeguard Hong Kongs core values including freedom and the rule of law so that international investors will continue to invest in Hong Kong?
為何會有這樣的律政司司長？
How come we have such a Secretary for Justice?
怎能幫助香港繼續保持國際金融中心地位？
How could she help Hong Kong maintain its status as an international financial centre?
委任這個人擔任捍衞法治的律政司司長，如果不是悲劇，就是笑話。
Appointing this person as the Secretary for Justice to defend the rule of law is a joke if not a tragedy
我們要求法治有很高的質素，也要求檢控人員及律政司司長有很高的質素，這點很重要。
We have high expectations of the rule of law and we also expect high quality to be demonstrated by the prosecutors and the Secretary for Justice . This is very important
作為律政司司長，她是否應該有更多承擔？
Being the Secretary for Justice shouldnt she show more commitment?
最近，由於有關公司涉及公平競爭，被競委會調查，當中牽涉太多爭議、太多黑幕，以及太多令人擔憂的事宜。
Recently her company is involved in matters relating to fair competition and is being investigated by the Competition Commission . The case involves many disputes under - table dealings and matters of public concern
她是公職人員，但她連自己的身份也不顧，政府為何還要"盲撐"她？
Yet she is now a public officer but she pays no attention to her public capacity; why does the Government still support her indiscriminately?
對公職人員的要求應該很高。
We have very high requirements for public officials
這是否最公道的做法？
Is that not the fairest approach?
為何特區政府會淪落、墮落到這個田地？
Why has the SAR Government relegated to such a state
如果繼續容許這種質素和水平的人擔任律政司司長，香港法治便會蕩然無存，外界對香港更會失去信心。
If we continue to allow people of such quality and standard to be the Secretary for Justice the rule of law in Hong Kong would perish and other countries would lose confidence in Hong Kong
我們如何吸引外來投資？
How can we attract foreign investment?
政府和反民主派根本不應該反對，反而應該站出來，支持通過這項議案，讓圍繞鄭若驊的所有謎團、醜聞、黑幕都被揭露出來。
The Government and the anti - democracy camp should not oppose the motion at all . Instead they should be the first one to support the passage of the motion so that all the mysteries scandals and under - table dealings surrounding Teresa CHENG could be exposed
如果她光明磊落，心中無鬼，便不需要害怕。
If she has nothing to hide and does not feel guilty in heart she needs not be afraid
早期，香港與新加坡每年經常爭辦案件，但互有多寡，我們都爭取仲裁中心的地位。
In the early days Hong Kong was very often competing with Singapore in getting arbitration cases . Hong Kong got more cases in some years while Singapore got more in other years . Both places were contending for the status as an arbitration hub
主席，今天的議案是傳召律政司司長及行政長官辦公室主任，交代律政司司長就任後參與涉及任何其他行業的行為。
President todays motion is about summoning the Secretary for Justice and Director of the Chief Executives Office to explain on handling of the matter of and in relation to the engagement of the Secretary for Justice in any other trade after taking office
反對派今天的指控，主要是根據有報道這不一定是真的，只是有人指出指司長在去年1月上任後，參與3宗仲裁個案，質疑她觸犯了公職人員行為失當罪。
According to the allegation made by the opposition camp today it is reported―not necessarily true but just pointed out by some people―that the Secretary for Justice had participated in three arbitration cases after assuming office in January last year . The opposition camp queries if she is guilty of misconduct in public office
我明白反對派對司長有很多意見，但"建設派"對司長可能有更多意見，主要是拘捕了很多人，但檢控人數很低，法庭又沒有甚麼指引。
I understand that the opposition camp has a lot of complaints about her . However the construction camp may have even more complaints about the Secretary for Justice mainly because only a few people have been prosecuted despite a large number of arrestees and the court does not have any guidelines
事實上，司長已多次解釋，只是反對派當耳邊風，繼續他們的政治追擊。
As a matter of fact the Secretary for Justice has explained time and again but the opposition camp turned a deaf ear and continued their political attacks
司長在上任時已獲特首批准可以繼續完成處理6宗私人執業仲裁個案，這6宗案件的實質爭議或聆訊、陳辭已經完成，僅剩下頒發判決或命令的程序，所以司長要求......
When the Secretary for Justice assumed office she was approved by the Chief Executive to continue to handle six arbitration cases in her private practice . The substantive disputes or hearings and presentations of those six cases had been completed pending the delivery of judgments or issuance of orders hence the Secretary for Justice requested It is known to all that when she was invited by the Chief Executive to be the Secretary for Justice the invitation was made in a short time
大家也知道，特首請她出任司長，只是很短的時間，香港沒有人肯做，有能力的人大多不肯做這些重要工作，這是香港非常差的一件事。
No one in Hong Kong wanted to take up the post; most of the competent people did not want to take up this important position which was really bad for Hong Kong
由於僅剩下頒發裁決或命令的程序，所以司長要求特首批准她完成手上的仲裁工作。
Since only the procedure of delivering judgment or issuing order was left the Secretary for Justice sought approval from the Chief Executive to finish the outstanding arbitration jobs
我相信這是一個十分合理的要求，也是負責任的表現，因為國際仲裁需要很長時間。
I believe this request was very reasonable and responsible because international arbitration can take a long time
至於今次傳媒指控司長參與3宗仲裁個案，其實有兩宗司長已經向特首申報，另一宗在上任前已向仲裁庭辭職，所以不需要申報。
As for the three arbitration cases which the media alleged that the Secretary for Justice was involved in actually two cases had been declared and approved by the Chief Executive; as for the third case since the Secretary for Justice had already resigned from the arbitral tribunal before taking office no declaration was required
司長解釋，兩宗申報個案涉及投資者與西班牙政府及羅馬尼亞政府之間的投資爭議，兩宗個案的中間程序在她上任時已接近完成，她參與的工作很少。
As explained by the Secretary for Justice the two declared cases involved investment disputes between investors and the Spanish and Romanian Governments . The intermediate procedures of the two cases had almost been completed when she took office thus her involvement was mimimal
司長認為，如果聽完陳辭後不寫裁決，將案件放下不管，是不負責任的做法，會破壞香港國際仲裁中心多年來由多人辛苦建立的聲譽。
The Secretary for Justice opined that it would be irresponsible to leave the case unfinished without writing up a judgment after hearing the submissions . This would ruin the hard - earned reputation of HKIAC which has been built painstakingly by many people for many years
司長又指出，在去年1月至4月，3宗個案分別完成階段性的工作，所以她決定辭職，並已通知3宗個案的相關人士，另外其他已申報的個案均在去年7月1日前辭職，所以她在7月1日之後的個人利益登記冊上沒有申報有關個案，因為根本無須申報。
The Secretary for Justice also pointed out from January to April last year she resigned from three cases that were close to completion and had notified the relevant parties concerned . In addition she had resigned from other declared cases before 1 July last year . Consequently she did not declare the cases in the Register of Members Interests after July 1 because there was nothing to declare
同時，3宗個案均已委任新的仲裁員，繼續案件餘下的審理程序。
At the same time new arbitrators have been appointed in the three cases to continue with the remaining procedure
因此，這3宗個案雖然仍然進行審理，但司長已經沒有參與，現時亦沒有任何其他仲裁案件正在處理。
Therefore although the three cases are still in process the Secretary for Justice has not been involved and at present she has not handled any other arbitration case
主席，司長的解釋其實很清楚，所謂的3宗案件，其實也不是新案件，有兩宗已經申報，另一宗上任前已經辭職。
President the Secretary for Justices explanation is indeed very clear . The three cases as reported are not new cases . Among which two cases had been declared and she had resigned from another case before taking office
所謂沒有申報個人利益，是因為她已經辭去所有仲裁員的工作。
The alleged failure to declare personal interests was due to the fact that she had resigned from all arbitration work
由於3宗個案仍然進行，因此有人推斷司長仍然參與其中，實際是3宗個案均已再委任新的仲裁員，繼續餘下的審理程序。
As the three cases are still in process some people infer that the Secretary for Justice is still involved . In fact all three cases have appointed new arbitrators to continue with the remaining procedures
正如我剛才所說，大家對司長很多工作不滿意，但我們今天不是討論律政司司長工作是否稱職。
As I have said though we are dissatisfied with the performance of the Secretary for Justice today we are not discussing whether the Secretary for Justice is competent or not
大家可否在一個是非顛倒、黑白不分的社會中做一股清流，是其是，非其非？
Can we be above politics and call a spade a spade in a society where people confound right and wrong and cannot tell black from white? . We should approve what is right and condemn what is wrong
有證據嗎？
Are there any evidence?
這種作風害死香港。
Such kind of practice will do a disservice to Hong Kong
所以，現在要傳召司長和特首辦主任，調查司長有否"秘撈"，我認為必須實事求是，以事實為根據。
Therefore if we want to summon the Secretary for Justice and Director of the Chief Executives Office for probing into whether the Secretary for Justice has taken up private jobs I think we must be realistic and should seek truth from facts
也許梁議員和她的同事應照一照鏡子，便會有我們這種感覺。
Dr Priscilla LEUNG and her colleagues should perhaps look in the mirror and they will share our feeling
周浩鼎議員說要公平公正，其實，要調查"七二一"事件，最佳方法是成立獨立調查委員會。
Mr Holden CHOW demanded fairness and impartiality and actually the best way to investigate the 21 July incident is to establish an independent investigation committee
不過，這點不是最重要。
However this is not the most important point
最重要的是，在"七二一"事件中，大家看到兩點。
What matters most is that from the 21 July incident we notice two points
第一，數以百計白衣人毆打手無寸鐵的市民，包括元朗居民。
Firstly hundreds of white - clad men assaulted the unarmed civilians including the residents of Yuen Long
如果建制派、保皇黨知道相關事實，請他們告訴我們，為甚麼當時鄉事委員會、警察和中聯辦新界部主任"打龍通"。
If the pro - establishment camp and the royalist party knew any related fact would they please tell us why the Rural Committee police officers and the Director General of New Territories Sub - office of the Liaison Office have ganged up?
當時整個元朗陷入一片恐慌，叫天不應、叫地不聞，市民找不到警察。
At that time the entire Yuen Long had plunged into panic and no matter how people screamed and shouted for help there were no signs of police officers
警察毆打黑衣人絕不手軟，射盲他人眼睛，打斷他人手腳也絕不手軟。
The police officers showed no leniency in beating up the black - clad men shooting at peoples eyes and blinding them and breaking peoples arms and legs
現在的委員會基本上不公義，立法會也是不公義。
The existing committees are basically unjust so is the Legislative Council
《議事規則》第39條......
Rule 39 of the Rules of Procedure
梁議員，我可以向你解釋，我並沒有離題，因為我正在說明應以哪一標準決定譴責議員，應以哪一標準判斷應成立調查委員會處理。
Mr LEUNG let me explain to you that I have not digressed from the subject because I am elaborating on the criteria we should adopt in determining whether a Member should be censured and whether an investigation committee should be set up to handle the matter
在我們的政府如此腐敗、警方濫捕、律政司濫告的情況下，我們是否仍要將這種警方濫捕和律政司濫告的標準套用到議會上，對被控告和被捕的議員作出調查、彈劾及免職呢？
When this Government of ours is so corrupt the Police are making indiscriminate arrests and the Department of Justice is initiating prosecutions indiscriminately should we apply the same standard of indiscriminate arrest and prosecution to the Legislative Council and take actions against Members arrested and prosecuted to investigate their case pass a motion of impeachment and remove them from office?
這個問題有待各位建制派議員深思。
This is a question for Members of the pro - establishment camp to consider seriously
我認為譴責的標準和公道已在市民心中，市民如何看待每一名議員的行為，自有公論。
I believe a fair public opinion has already been formed in the community with regard to the criteria adopted for censuring a Member and the fairness of doing so as well as the behaviours of each individual Member in this Council