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主席，我動議講稿附錄我的第二組修正案，以進一步修正附表5。
Chairman I move my second group of amendments to further amend Schedule 5 as set out in the Appendix to the Script
在我就食物及衞生局局長的第二組修正案提出待決議題之前，我想提醒各位，若局長的第二組修正案獲得通過，陳志全議員及朱凱廸議員便不可動議他們的第二組修正案，而梁國雄議員亦不可動議他的修正案。
Before I put to you the question on the Secretary for Food and Healths second group of amendments I wish to remind Members that if the Secretarys second group of amendments is passed Mr CHAN Chi - chuen and Mr CHU Hoi - dick may not move their second group of amendments and Mr LEUNG Kwok - hung may not move his amendment either
我現在向各位提出的待決議題是：食物及衞生局局長動議他的第二組修正案，予以通過。
I now put the question to you and that is That the second group of amendments moved by the Secretary for Food and Health be passed
主席， 《私營骨灰安置所條例草案》 經修正後已通過全體委員會審議階段。
President the Private Columbaria Bill has passed through the Committee stage with amendments
我現在向各位提出的待議議題是：《私營骨灰安置所條例草案》予以三讀並通過。
I now propose the question to you and that is That the Private Columbaria Bill be read the Third time and do pass
代理主席，我發言反對鄭松泰議員根據《立法會條例》，動議成立專責委員會調查選舉事務處電腦失竊的議案。
Deputy President I rise to speak against the motion moved by Dr CHENG Chung - tai under the Legislative Council Ordinance which seeks to appoint a select committee to inquire into the incident of the loss of the notebook computers of the Registration and Electoral Office REO
我認為在政府已在各方面展開調查和跟進之際，立法會再委任一個專責委員會調查事件只是畫蛇添足，多此一舉，甚至可能擾亂有關部門的正常調查，對事件毫無幫助。
Now that the Government is having inquiries and follow - up actions on various fronts I believe it is just superfluous for the Legislative Council to appoint another select committee to inquire into the incident . Such a move will not be helpful at all and it may even disturb the inquiries conducted normally by relevant government departments
無可否認，選舉事務處這次遺失載有全港選民資料的電腦事態嚴重。
The loss of REOs notebook computers containing the personal data of all electors in Hong Kong is undeniably a serious incident
但是，自從事發後，多個政府機構和部門已迅速作出反應，展開調查，包括警方已將案件列作盜竊案處理；香港個人資料私隱專員公署亦已展開調查；政制及內地事務局已成立跨部門專責小組，邀請保安局、政府資訊科技總監辦公室及選舉事務處的代表一同處理這宗嚴重的失竊事件。
However since its occurrence many government institutions and departments have promptly responded and launched inquiries including the Police investigation who have classified the case as theft . An inquiry conducted by the Office of the Privacy Commissioner for Personal Data OPCPD is also underway and the Constitutional and Mainland Affairs Bureau has also established an interdepartmental working group comprising representatives from the Security Bureau the Office of the Government Chief Information Officer and REO to handle this serious case of theft
更重要的是，各部門各司其職，調查跟進工作是十分全面。
More importantly the departments have all properly carried out their duties and collaborated comprehensively on following up the inquiry
警方已全力跟進；香港個人資料私隱專員公署設法保護個人資料；而政制及內地事務局則積極與金融機構等溝通，防止選民的資料被盜用。
The Police are striving on its investigation; OPCPD is working hard on protecting the personal data; and the Constitutional and Mainland Affairs Bureau is actively communicating with financial organizations and so on with a view to preventing any misappropriation of electors personal data
政府多管齊下，足見其重視事件，並已採取一切可行的方法補救。
The Governments multipronged measures have demonstrated the importance it attaches to the incident and it has tried every possible means to rectify the situation
在這種情況下，我完全看不到立法會有需要再成立專責委員會跟進事件。
Under these circumstances I really see no reason for the Legislative Council to appoint a select committee to follow up the incident
況且，即使成立了專責委員會，我相信最多也只能重複有關政府部門的工作，這又何必再節外生枝呢？
Moreover even if the select committee were established eventually I believe that it will achieve nothing more than repeating the government departments tasks . If this is the case why do we insist on duplicating all these efforts?
代理主席，如果立法會現時插手委任一個專責委員會調查事件，還有可能起了反作用，因為一旦立法會引用《立法會條例》進行調查，案件涉及的細節和機密資料難免被公開；立法會對有關人士的問訊期間亦容易泄漏機密資料。
Deputy President we may achieve the opposite effect if the Legislative Council intervenes now by appointing a select committee to inquire into the incident . If the Legislative Council Ordinance is invoked details and classified information related to the case will unavoidably be made public and leakage is likely during the committees hearings attended by the persons concerned
這不但可能影響警方的調查，甚至會令違法者逍遙法外。
This may affect the police investigation and the lawbreakers can escape the long arms of justice as a result
因此，我認為現階段不宜成立專責委員會。
Therefore I consider inappropriate to set up a select committee at this stage
泛民強調要追究責任，找出官員問責，一副誓要讓一些官員"人頭落地"才肯罷休的姿勢。
The pan - democrats have vowed to hold the relevant officials accountable showing a determination that certain officials must step down
無可否認，這次電腦失竊事件暴露了選舉事務處在保護市民的資料方面存在不足，但我想請問泛民議員，難道找幾個官員來"祭旗"便能解決問題嗎？
No one can deny that the loss of these notebook computers has exposed REOs shortcomings in protecting the peoples personal data yet I want to ask pan - democratic Members whether we can solve the problem simply by pointing the finger at a few officials?
現階段興師問罪重要，還是我們要亡羊補牢更重要呢？
At this stage which do they think is more important holding people accountable or making rectification?
這次電腦失竊涉及370萬名選民的個人資料安全，我認為當務之急是盡力補救，繼而檢討和完善，而不是只顧找官員興師問罪，趁機打擊政府的威信。
The loss of notebook computers involves the security of the personal data of 3.7 million electors . In my opinion the most pressing issue is to remedy the problems followed by reviews and optimization of future arrangement but not focusing only on punishing the officials in a bid to grasp this chance to undermine the Governments credibility
如果泛民議員真的關注民生，便應思考如何協助警方破案，如何幫助市民應對一旦個人資料被盜用而衍生出來的問題，這才是議員應做的事。
If pan - democratic Members truly care about the peoples livelihood they should focus their mind on assisting the Police to solve the case as well as on helping the public to deal with any problems arising from any misuses of their personal data . This is what a legislator should do
代理主席，我必須說明我反對鄭松泰議員的議案，並不等於我認同選舉事務處的所為；相反，我認為選舉事務處在處理選民個人資料方面，有很多措施和做法都是荒謬和不負責任的。
Deputy President I must clarify that by rejecting Dr CHENG Chung - tais motion I do not mean to approve of the acts of REO . On the contrary I consider that many measures and practices of REO relating to electors personal data are absurd and irresponsible
因此，我認為公務員事務局應就事件進行內部調查，一旦發現涉及公務員失職，便應該作出相應的紀律處分。
Therefore I believe the Civil Service Bureau should conduct an internal investigation into the incident and impose proper disciplinary measures in case of any negligence on the part of any civil servants
最後，我希望其他政府部門能夠從事件中汲取教訓，妥善處理市民的個人資料，避免再次發生同類事件。
Finally I hope other government departments can draw a lesson from this incident and duly handle the peoples personal data so as to avoid the occurrence of similar events
主席，我相信我今次的發言應該不會很長，因為我留意到，同事在這兩天的辯論很奇怪，他們無限上綱上線地討論同性婚姻，甚至是性取向等問題。其實，我們今天討論的範圍明顯是很狹窄的，便是在骨灰處置程序中領取骨灰的權利。
Chairman I think my speech should be not very long because while I noticed and found it strange that Honourable colleagues have infinitely expanded the scope of the question by discussing such issues as same - sex marriage and even sexual orientation the scope of our discussion today is obviously very narrow which is about the right to claim ashes in the ash disposal procedures
這其實是很技術性的問題，應該只需短時間的辯論便已很充分，但不知為何同事要無限上綱上線地討論同性婚姻，可能他們收到order 要"拉布"；但他們在整個討論中上綱上線，說 話亦很過分，令持不同意見的同事難以心平氣和，而一些議員有時又把同志比喻為狼或畜牲，有時又亂扣帽子。
However I do not know why colleagues have infinitely exaggerated the issue by discussing same - sex marriage . Perhaps it is because they have been ordered to filibuster . But they have exaggerated the issue in the entire discussion and made over board remarks making it impossible for colleagues who hold different views to remain calm whereas some Members sometimes compared LGBTs to wolves or beasts and sometimes pinned labels on other people arbitrarily
正如陳志全議員剛才所說，其實在現行法例中根本已有很多訂明同志戀人的權利有時可以如同親屬，包括陳議員剛才提及的《致命意外條例》第42e條，該條文已把同住最少兩年，如同夫妻的人士納入"親屬"之內。
As Mr CHAN Chi - chuen said earlier actually in many existing ordinances it is already stated that LGBT lovers can sometimes have the same rights of relatives such as section 42e of the Fatal Accidents Ordinance mentioned by Mr CHAN earlier which provides that a person who had lived with the deceased for two years as husband and wife be included as relative
第20C條"失去情誼或服務的訴訟"下的第1d款亦把同住最少兩年，如同夫妻的人士列為與丈夫或妻子、子女、父母同等，並享有相同的法律權益，可以進行訴訟及追討賠償。
23 which has the same provision . Under subsection 1dii of section 20C the heading of which is Actions for loss of society or services any person who had been living [with the injured person] for at least two years as husband or wife has a status equal to that of the husband or wife children and parents [of the injured person] and has the same legal rights and the right to maintain actions and recover damages
我想說的是，今次即使通過所有修正案，也沒有更進一步打開一個所謂方便之門，只是與其他條例一致而已。
What I wish to say is even if all the amendments were passed this time around no further convenience would be occasioned for the amendments serve only to achieve consistency with other ordinances
香港是一個文明社會，即使未走到同性婚姻這一步，社會上仍有很大爭議，不要緊，我們可以繼續長久地辯論下去，但這些人士確實存在於我們的社會，他們應該享有權益，而我們在其他條例中亦早已予以承認，為何今次在領取骨灰一事上要這樣無限上綱上線地打壓他們？
Hong Kong is a civilized society and even though same - sex marriage has yet been recognized and there are still huge controversies in the community never mind we can debate it continuously for a long time . But these people do exist in our society and they are entitled to the rights and interests which have long been recognized in other ordinances so why concerning the claim of ashes should they be oppressed in such a way by Members infinitely exaggerating the issue?
現時雖然政府願意稍為讓步，但與其他條例相比，情況其實也稍有倒退。
Although the Government is willing to make a small concession the provisions actually still represent a slight regression compared with other ordinances
這是我不能理解的地方，除非他們收了order要"拉布"。
I found this incomprehensible unless they have been ordered to filibuster
當然，大家均屢次提及有關一名入境事務主任的案件。
Certainly Members have repeatedly mentioned the case of an Immigration Officer
法官已表明，即使他不接受海外註冊的婚姻，認為在定義上他仍然未婚和獨身，但其海外配偶應該享有權益。
The Judge already said that even though he did not accept this marriage contracted overseas and considered that the Immigration Officer is still single and a bachelor his spouse overseas should enjoy the rights and benefits
法官亦表明，這與我們對婚姻的定義並無抵觸，亦沒有削弱本港的婚姻制度。
The Judge also said that this is not in conflict with our definition of marriage; nor does this undermine the marriage institution in Hong Kong
究竟大家還在爭拗甚麼呢？
So what are we still arguing about?
其實最相關的便是這些論點，但建制派議員卻喜歡無限上綱上線，說甚麼傳統核心婚姻價值觀等。
Indeed these are the most relevant points but the pro - establishment Members like to infinitely exaggerate the issue by arguing over the traditional core values of marriage and so on
雖然我支持同性婚姻，但我也覺得真的要在社會進行廣泛討論，以及在立法會進行詳盡辯論後才可推行，這點我是接受的。
Although I support same - sex marriage I think it is indeed necessary for society to conduct extensive discussions and for the Legislative Council to hold thorough debates before its implementation and this I accept
我只是希望大家不要亂扣帽子。
I only hope that Members will not rashly pin labels on others
中國人傳統的婚姻特別是他提到氏族絕非一男一女、一夫一妻及一生一世。
The traditional marriage of Chinese people―especially as he mentioned the clan system―is absolutely not monogamy between one man and one woman for a lifetime
數千年以來，華人的傳統雖然我絕對否定、絕對不贊同是一夫多妻，喜歡休妻便休妻，並非一生一世。
For a few thousand years the Chinese tradition is―though I absolutely disapprove of it and absolutely disagree with it―polygamy whereby a man could divorce his wife as he liked not a lifetime marriage
所以，既不是一男一女、一夫一妻或一生一世，絕非如此。
So it is not monogamy between one man and one woman; nor is it a lifetime marriage . These are absolutely not the tradition
在香港，這制度只是在1971年由一個殖民地政府、外國勢力強行在這地方立法而形成的，可以說是殖民地的餘毒。
In Hong Kong this system was established through legislation imposed by a colonial government or a foreign power only in 1971 and so it can be regarded as the evil legacy of the colony
雖然我絕不贊同一夫多妻，但他們不要把華人傳統是一夫一妻來作為反對的理由，這是外國的價值觀，在香港也只是實行了40年左右。
While I absolutely disapprove of polygamy they must not put up opposition on the ground that monogamy is the Chinese tradition . This is a foreign value upheld in Hong Kong for only around 40 years
我想說的是，其實婚姻觀及婚姻制度的確在不斷改變。
What I would like to say is that actually the perceptions of marriage and the marriage institution are indeed changing all the time
我們由以前的父權社會，一夫多妻，男人可以用"七出之條"或隨便以一個理由，例如女人妒忌、女人不能生育、女人偷竊或女人說話多便可以休妻立妾，演變成一夫一妻，至今已實行數十年，但社會仍在變化中。
From a patriarchal society formerly where polygamy was upheld and a man could divorce his wife or take on a concubine on any of the seven grounds for divorce such as his wife being jealous failing to give birth committing theft or gossiping the system of monogamy was subsequently developed and has been implemented for a few decades but society is still changing
如果真的有同性婚姻，我們值得討論，但並不等於絕無可能，因為很多地區已正在推行，我亦很高興台灣昨天出現突破性的發展。
If there is really same - sex marriage it is worthy of discussion and it is not absolutely out of the question because it is implemented in many places . I am glad to see the breakthrough made in its development in Taiwan yesterday
我只是希望這是理性並忠於事實的討論，亦可留待日後討論，但大家不要亂說華人傳統是一夫一妻及一生一世，這是外國的價值觀。
I only hope that there is rational discussion based on facts and this issue can be discussed in future but Members must not make nonsensical remarks about the Chinese tradition being monogamy and a lifetime marriage . This is a foreign value
因此，我亦想說，即使這是外國的價值觀，如果大家認同一夫一妻，一生一世，我們可以繼續採用，也可以看看本地的婚姻制度是否值得改變；但是，我認同這需要廣泛討論，但不是現在進行，因為現在所說的，只是那些在死前已在外國結婚的同志，他們已承認伴侶是最親近的人，那麼在他們死後，如沒有事先安排，他們的伴侶可否享有優先權取回骨灰，就是如此簡單，絕對不是在討論我們的婚姻制度，大家為何要如此上綱上線呢？
In this connection I wish to say that even though it is a foreign value and if we all agree to monogamy and lifetime marriage we can continue to adopt this system and we can also look into whether any changes are worth making in the marriage institution of Hong Kong . That said I agree that this warrants extensive discussions but we are not here to carry out such discussions because what we are discussing now is just this For LGBTs who had been married overseas before they died and who had recognized their partners as people closest to them can their partners have the priority to claim their ashes after their death and if no prior arrangement has been made? . It is just this simple
不如留待我們真正討論同性婚姻時才進行60小時的辯論，我絕對願意奉陪；但是，我仍然要說，前提是不要亂說這是華人的傳統。
We had better wait until same - sex marriage is really tabled for discussion and a 60 - hour debate could then be held . It would absolutely be my pleasure to debate it with Members . But I still have to say that the premise is Do not recklessly say that this is a Chinese tradition
大家也不要亂說同性婚姻是對一男一女，一夫一妻，一生一世的婚姻制度最大的挑戰，絕對不是。
Likewise Members must not make such frivolous remarks as same - sex marriage poses the biggest challenge to the marriage institution of lifelong monogamy between one man and one woman . This is absolutely not true
連教宗也說其實同志是最支持婚姻制度的，因為他們正在爭取的便是婚姻制度，而不是瓦解婚姻制度。
Even the Pope has said that LGBTs are actually most supportive of the marriage institution for what they have been fighting for is precisely a marriage institution not the breakdown of it
世間上婚姻制度最大的殺手是甚麼呢？
What is the biggest marriage killer in the world?
美國心理學家格拉斯研究了 婚姻制度25年，他曾研究300多對有婚外情而離婚的夫婦，發現對於一男一女，一夫一妻，一生一世的婚姻制度，最大的殺手和挑戰其實是婚外情，而婚外情最主要的來源是辦公室戀情。
American psychologist Shirley GLASS had studied the marriage institution for 25 years and from her studies of over 300 couples divorced because of extra - marital affairs it was found that the biggest killer and challenge to the marriage institution of lifelong monogamy between one man and one woman were actually extra - marital affairs the major source of which were affairs that happened in the workplace
因為我們的工時很長，每天陪着我們最長時間的便是同事，最了解我們的人也是同事，所以漸漸導致同事較床邊的另一半更親密，離婚因此經常發生。
Because our working hours are long and every day it is our colleagues who keep us company for the longest time of the day . It is also colleagues who know us best and so we are gradually drawn closer to our colleagues than our better halves and this therefore often leads to divorces
所以，如果大家真的很想捍衞家庭和婚姻的核心、那種一生一世、一對一的承諾，其實便應該就標準工時立法，令我們有較多時間陪伴家人，那麼婚姻才能健康地得以維護。
So if Members genuinely wish to defend family and the core of marriage or the vow for marrying one person for a lifetime actually legislation should be enacted on standard working hours so that we can spend more time with our family and only in this way can marriage be maintained in a healthy state
我絕對認同陳志全議員所說，婚姻最重要的核心其實是互相之間的承諾及彼此扶持。
I absolutely share the view of Mr CHAN Chi - chuen that the most central core of marriage is in fact the vows made between two people and the support given to each other
我也不說得那麼遠了，我其實真的很想辯論同性婚姻，但這不是合適的場合。
Let me not go that far . Actually I do wish to debate same - sex marriage but this is not the right place for it
我只想再回應其他同事的一些論點。
I only wish to give a further response to the points made by other colleagues
主席，我是《私營骨灰安置所條例草案》委員會主席，我自己的立場和法案委員會的立場其實已在二讀時說得很清楚。
Chairman I am the Chairman of the Bills Committee on Private Columbaria Bill . In fact during the Second Reading I already stated my own position and that of the Bills Committee clearly
能夠擔任法案委員會的主席，我其實感到非常榮幸和開心，因為在審議過程中，不論是政府官員、秘書處、建制派或泛民派的議員，其實均非常合作，令會議流暢地進行。
It is actually my honour and pleasure to be the Chairman of the Bills Committee because in the course of scrutiny public officers the Secretariat and Members from the pro - establishment camp and the pan - democratic camp alike were actually very cooperative thereby enabling the smooth conduct of meetings
因此，我認為在我們的審議過程中，其實大家也非常務實，例如今天已發言4次的梁國雄議員，即使他對《條例草案》的參與並不多，但在一些議題上，他亦願意與建制派同事達成共識。
Judging from these I consider that we have actually been very pragmatic in the course of our scrutiny . Take Mr LEUNG Kwok - hung who has spoken for four times today as an example . Even though he does not have much involvement in the Bill he is prepared to reach a consensus with Members from the pro - establishment camp on certain issues
在審議這項《條例草案》時，有關"同性婚姻"和"相關人士"的議題其實是在審議過程的中段出現。
When scrutinizing the Bill the issues relating to same - sex marriage and related person actually arose halfway through the process
為了令整項《條例草案》的審議工作能盡快完成，即使是梁國雄議員和陳志全議員，他們也願意暫時把大家的分歧放下，待大家完全把整項《條例草案》逐字逐條審議完畢後，才再處理這個問題。
In order that the scrutiny work of the whole Bill might be completed expeditiously even Mr LEUNG Kwok - hung and Mr CHAN Chi - chuen were willing to set aside their differences for the time being and wait until the completion of our scrutiny of the whole Bill clause by clause before attending to such issues again
因此，我想對大家說的是其實我明白一些支持性小眾的議員想就這項議題寸土必爭，但其實議會內亦有同事對這個問題相對保守。
Hence what I wish to say to Members is that I actually understand the wish of those Members backing sexual minorities to fight for every inch of progress on this issue . But in fact some Honourable colleagues of the Council are relatively conservative about this issue . Chairman let us come straight
主席，我們也不諱言，正如剛才周浩鼎議員的發言，可見他對同性婚姻是強烈反對的，而何俊賢議員則在這方面持相對開放的態度。
Judging from what Mr Holden CHOW said earlier he is strongly opposed to same - sex marriage while Mr Steven HO is relatively more open - minded in this regard
我昨天又聽到黃碧雲議員表示民主黨在這項議題上是開放的，讓其黨員自由投票。
Yesterday I also heard Dr Helena WONGs remark that the Democratic Party had no predetermined position on this issue and would allow its party members to vote freely
大家可以看到不論是建制派或泛民主派，同一政黨在這個議題上也有不同意見，仍未達成共識，而在社會上更不在話下。
We can see that be it the pro - establishment camp or the pan - democratic camp views are divided with no consensus on this issue in the same political party let alone the community
因此，我很希望大家在今天這項修正案的辯論中，不要再把焦點放在是否支持同性婚姻、這樣會否打開同性婚姻的缺口或其他任何議題上，而應集中討論這項《條例草案》。
Hence I very much hope that in this debate on the amendments today Members will focus their discussion on the Bill instead of whether or not they support same - sex marriage whether it will open the door to same - sex marriage or any other issues
這項《條例草案》其實在何時提交審議呢？
In fact when was the Bill submitted for consideration?
大家看到他真的如坐針氈，有如熱鍋上的螞蟻，令人非常心痛。
Our heart throbs with pain when we see that he is really like a cat on hot bricks who can hardly feel at ease
因此，我們真的不應把焦點放在討論同性婚姻的問題上。
For this reason we should really refrain from focusing our discussion on same - sex marriage
當然，我們還有很多其他場合可以進行討論，但我想告訴同事，如果我們繼續討論下去，將繼續有更多社會問題出現。
Certainly there are many other occasions on which we may hold discussions but I wish to tell Honourable colleagues that if we dwell on this discussion any further more social problems will continue to arise
我們亦看到社會上出現了一些很奇怪的現象，昨天也有同事提到原來現在有"骨灰龕郵輪"，亦有廣告指可以在香港先買牌位，然後把骨灰龕放在內地，千奇百怪，無奇不有。
We have also noticed some weird phenomena in society . As stated by an Honourable colleague yesterday actually there is a cruise columbarium and there are also advertisements claiming that people may purchase memorial tablets in Hong Kong before housing niches on the Mainland showing that our society is never short of oddities and nothing is too bizarre
如果我們再浪費時間在此討論枝枝節節的問題，其實我相信這些奇怪的情況必定會繼續出現，最 終受害的也是我們的市民。
In fact I believe that if we waste more time here discussing these side issues such oddities will definitely keep emerging and the ultimate victims will be members of the public
因此，我希望同事們不如把他們所有想說的話或對這項《條例草案》想提出的具體意見盡快說出來，讓我們能進入修正案的表決階段，盡快通過這項《條例草案》，令它可以刊憲，因為這樣對市民和社會也是一件好事。
I therefore call on Honourable colleagues to cut to the chase by telling us everything they want to say and the specific views they have on the Bill so that we may proceed to vote on the amendments and pass the Bill expeditiously for its gazettal as it will do good to both the public and the community
主席，我不再多說，謹此陳辭。
Chairman I shall stop here . I so submit
主席，今次政府提交的決議案主要是向強制性公積金中介人收取規管費及調高4項獲豁免的職業退休計劃的收 費。
President the resolution submitted by the Government seeks to charge the Mandatory Provident Fund MPF intermediaries regulatory fees and also to raise four fees relating to MPF exempted occupational retirement schemes
從金額來看，收費只是數百元至3,000多元之間，對業界的負擔應該不會太大。
The amount of fees ranges from a few hundred dollars to 3,000 - odd only which should not impose a burden on the industry
當然我亦不希望業界將有關成本轉嫁顧客，變相提高強積金的收費。
I certainly do not wish to see the industry transfer the costs onto customers which will in effect raise the fees of MPF
主席，我們經常聽到市民對強積金表示不滿，不但因為回報低，而且過去10多年來，從數字來看，強積金的回報率只有3.5%。
President we often hear members of the public complain about the MPF schemes . This is not only because of the low returns . We can take a look at the figures
更重要的問題是很多市民均投訴強積金收費高、種類多、透明度低，嚴重蠶食供款者的權益。
But a more important issue of the MPF schemes is the complaints from many members of the public about the high fees excessive varieties and low transparency which have eaten significantly into the benefits of contributors
因此，市民對政府提出的任何收費項目也非常敏感，不管是強積金受託人向供款人直接收取的費用，還是政府向強積金中介機構收取的費用，他們始終擔心"羊毛出自羊身上"，最終還是要由供款人自行承擔所有費用。
For these reasons the public is very sensitive to any fee items proposed by the Government be it the fees collected directly by MPF trustees from contributors or the fees levied by the Government on MPF intermediaries . They are worried that the fleece comes off the sheeps back . All these fees will be eventually borne by the contributors themselves
因此，我一直認為強積金的收費機制要有更大的規管。
Therefore I have all along held that the fee charging mechanism of the MPF schemes should be subject to enhanced regulatory control
中長線而言，強制性公積金計劃管理局在市場失效時更應該考慮引入"一刀切"的收費水平上限。
In the medium and longer terms the Mandatory Provident Fund Schemes Authority MPFA should also consider introducing a cap on fees across the board at the time of market failure
此外，當局亦應該研究是否可以改變現行強積金的收費方式，規定受託人收取定額行政費，再加上通脹的調整，從而有效地降低收費水平。
Moreover the authorities should also study whether changes can be introduced to the existing MPF fee charging approach so as to require trustees to collect fixed administration fees in addition to the inflationary adjustment with a view to lowering fees in an effective manner
同時，積金局亦應該繼續理順基金的種類和數目，以及將產品簡單化，以進一步壓低強積金的收費水平。
Meanwhile MPFA should continue with its efforts in rationalizing the types and numbers of MPF funds as well as pursuing the simplification of MPF products thereby further driving down MPF fees
現時強積金計劃受託人的收費是從戶口資產總值抽取固定百分比，作為行政費和基金管理費。
At present fixed percentages of the total asset values of MPF accounts are collected by MPF scheme trustees as administration fees and fund management fees
目前強積金已實施超過16年，總資產值已超過7,000億港元。
The MPF System has been implemented for over 16 years . The total asset value is over HK 700 billion