Borrison/hk-legicost huggingface dataset:
如果最後訂定出一個方案，實施時間是何時呢？
If a proposal was formulated in the end what would be the time for implementation?
是第四屆政府。
The fourth - term Government
主席，今天回望，如果不是因為六四事件，我們可能已經有普選，還可能是兩屆。
President in retrospect were it not for the 4 June incident we probably would have implemented universal suffrage and it might even have taken place for two terms
但是，因為發生了六四事件，在1990年的最終定稿中，這個現時看來相當開明的想法，當然亦跟隨歷史化為塵埃。
Yet as a result of the occurrence of the 4 June incident this idea which seems rather liberal now had certainly turned into dust in the course of history in the final version published in 1990
主席，當年六四可以令香港人大團結，無論是當年親中的梁振英，或在北京當記者做採訪的梁美芬議員，也能夠一起支持學生，認同當年的做法。
President the 4 June incident brought about a strong sense of unity among the people of Hong Kong that both LEUNG Chun - ying who was pro - China back then and Dr Priscilla LEUNG who covered the news in Beijing as a reporter stated their support for the students and approved of the students actions at that time
但反觀今天，這些人到了哪裏呢？
However where are these people now?
他們的想法變成怎樣呢？
What are the changes in their stances?
我不是希望藉今次的辯論一一鞭撻他們，我只是希望他們如果有機會時，能夠撫心自問，經歷了28年，究竟是甚麼促使他們改變呢？
I do not wish to take the opportunity of this debate to lash out at each and every one of them . I am only asking them to granting the opportunity examine their conscience and ask themselves after these 28 years what actually caused the change in their stances
主席，我更希望能夠提出一點，便是對歷史的看法。
President I all the more wish to raise another point that is the interpretation of history
經歷了50年，很多當年親歷其境的香港人尚且仍活生生的在香港生活，竟然仍有人嘗試漂白歷史。
After a lapse of 50 years while many people of Hong Kong who witnessed the riots back then are still alive and living in the city some people are actually trying to whitewash the relevant history
如果我們不希望這件事發生，我相信我們更有責任維護這段歷史。
If we hope to prevent this from happening I believe we have a greater responsibility to protect this period of history
正正因為這個原因，我贊成今天的議案。
It is precisely the reason for my support for the motion today
代理主席，很多同事剛才分享了他們在八九六四時的親身經歷。
Deputy President many Honourable colleagues have shared their personal experiences of the 4 June incident in 1989
代理主席，在"天安門母親"的網頁上，曾經有一位在六四事件中受傷的朋友方政先生發表他的一段見證："我發現一輛坦克車正快速由東面向西面朝向學生隊伍衝殺過來，於是我奮力把這位女學生推向人行道邊的欄杆。
Deputy President on the website of the Tiananmen Mothers Mr FANG Zheng who was injured in the 4 June incident gave his testimony I noticed that a tank was charging rapidly from East to West towards the procession of students so I pushed this girl student with all my might to the railings on the edge of the pavement
一瞬間，這時坦克已貼近人行道，迫近我的身邊，坦克的大炮筒彷彿就在我的眼前。
In no time the tank had pressed close to the pavement closing in on me . Its barrel seemed to be just right in front of my eyes
我躲閃不及，便滾在地上，但是晚了；我的上半身被夾在坦克兩條履帶中間，兩腿不幸被坦克輾過，履帶上的鏈條絞着我的腿及褲子，將我拖出了很長的一段路。
Failing to dodge I rolled on the ground but it was too late . My upper body was caught between the two tracks of the tank and both legs were ran over by the tank . My legs and trousers entangled with the links of the tracks which dragged me for a long stretch on the road
我奮力掙脫出來滾到路邊，但這時我已經昏迷了。
I fought to struggle free and roll to the side of the road but at this point I had already passed out
以後的事我後來才知道，我是被市民及學生送到積水潭醫院搶救的，在醫院施行雙腿截肢手術。
I found out only afterwards what happened next . I was sent by citizens and students for emergency treatment at Jishuitan Hospital where I received an amputation surgery of my legs
我的右大腿上部三分之一高位截肢，左腿膝下5公分處截肢。
My right leg was amputated one third down my thigh and my left leg 5 cm down the knee
我在醫院療傷至1989年6月24日。
I recuperated at the hospital until 24 June 1989
大約在6月11日，西城區公安分局對我進行了調查備案。
Around 11 June the Xicheng branch of the Public Security Bureau initiated an investigation into me for filing
出院回校後，我又繼續受到校方長達數個月的詢問及清查，他們要我對坦克輾過學生一事保持沉默。
After discharge and return to the school I continued to be subjected to questioning and investigation by the school for as long as a few months . They wanted me to remain silent about tanks running over students
" 在2005年出版的《尋訪六四受難者》一書中，丁子霖女士找到有名有姓的死難者共186位，但在歷史上，該次事件的真正死難者數目，即使死傷無數，但至今仍未能得到一個確切數字。
In 《尋訪六四受難者》 published in 2005 Ms DING Zilin found a total of 186 victims whose names were known . But in history to date there has been no concrete count of the true number of casualties in the incident no matter how countless it must be
代理主席，我們要尋找歷史真相，毋忘六四，平反六四，追究屠城責任，爭取結束一黨專制，守住歷史真相，因為我們對這些不幸殉難的人有良知道義。
Deputy President we need to seek the historical truth not forget the 4 June incident vindicate the 4 June incident pursue responsibility for the massacre in Beijing end one - party dictatorship and safeguard the historical truth because we have a conscience and moral duty towards these people who unfortunately died for the cause
香港是少數可以在中國土地上，舉行如此大型悼念六四活動的地方。
Hong Kong is one of the few places on Chinese soil where such a large - scale activity to commemorate the 4 June incident can be held
為了對得起自己的良知，以及自己的歷史，我們沒有任何逃避的借口。
For the sake of our own conscience and history we have no excuse to escape
在一年一度的六四辯論中，我看到很多建制派同事採取逃避態度。
In the annual debate on the 4 June incident I see many Members of the pro - establishment camp adopt an attitude of evasion
代理主席，我們近年甚至看到有一些親建制組織，或我稱之為親西環的衞星組織或"愛字頭"組織走出來，厚顏無耻地說沒有事實根據證明曾經發生過六四事件，以及曾經發生過屠城和死亡事件。
Deputy President in recent years we have even seen some pro - establishment organizations or what I refer to as pro - Sai Wan satellite organizations or love Hong Kong organizations come forward and claim without any shame that no evidence points to the fact that the 4 June incident happened and the massacre and deaths happened
這種"戾橫折曲"的說法只不過是想為極權者塗脂抹粉。
Such distorted remarks only seek to whitewash the dictators
代理主席，謊言說一百遍未必會變真，我希望建制派同事敢於面對政治現實和歷史現實。
Deputy President a lie told a hundred times may not become the truth . I hope Honourable colleagues from the pro - establishment camp will dare confront the political reality and historical reality
代理主席，我發言支持黃碧雲議員的議案，希望大家繼續守護歷史，毋忘六四。
Deputy President I have spoken in support of Dr Helena WONGs motion . I hope we will all continue to protect history and not forget the 4 June incident
楊岳橋議員，由於劉國勳議員的修正案已獲得通過，請動議你經修改的修正案。
Mr Alvin YEUNG as the amendment of Mr LAU Kwok - fan has been passed you may now move your revised amendment
主席，我動議我經修改的修正案，進一步修正經劉國勳議員修正的林卓廷議員議案。
President I move that Mr LAM Cheuk - tings motion as amended by Mr LAU Kwok - fan be further amended by my revised amendment
我現在向各位提出的待議議題是：楊岳橋議員就經劉國勳議員修正的林卓廷議員議案動議的修正案，予以通過。
I now propose the question to you and that is That the amendment moved by Mr Alvin YEUNG to Mr LAM Cheuk - tings motion as amended by Mr LAU Kwok - fan be passed
代理主席，我發言支持今次的議案。
Deputy President I rise to speak in support of this motion
"毋忘六四，平反八九民運"，在社會上對於個人、對於社會、對於民主運動和對於國家，一直是一項相當重要的議題。
That the 4 June incident be not forgotten and the 1989 pro - democracy movement be vindicated has all along been a very significant issue to individuals in society the community pro - democracy movements and the country alike
六四對我來說，是一種很大的傷痛，是在社會、國家和民族中一道很深刻的裂痕和傷痕。
To me the 4 June incident is a huge sorrow . It is a deep rift and wound to society the country and the people
我們還記得手無寸鐵的學生和市民遭到國家軍隊的武力對待及屠殺，這些畫面仍然歷歷在目。
We can still remember the violent treatment and massacre of those unarmed students and people by the countrys military forces . All such episodes are still vivid before our eyes
六四帶來這種令市民害怕的感覺，政府嘗試製造恐懼，以武力鎮壓，令市民噤聲。
The 4 June incident has brought such fear to people . The Government attempted to create fear and silence people with its violent crackdowns
所以，六四對很多香港市民來說，是一道很深刻的傷痕，而這道傷痕到今天，經過28年仍無法修補，因為死去的英烈到這一刻仍然沉冤待雪，未得到平反，國家仍然沒有作出一個妥善的總結，告訴全世界這些死難者當年是為了民主自由而犧牲了自己。
Therefore to many Hong Kong people the 4 June incident is a deep wound one which has remained not healed even today after the passage of 28 years ever since . The reason why people think so is that up to this moment justice and a fair judgment have yet to be passed on those martyrs and the country has not given a proper conclusion which tells the whole world that the people who died that year actually sacrificed themselves for the cause of democracy and freedom
他們的家人和父母到今天仍然受到監控甚至軟禁，而活着的人這一生仍要活在六四的陰影下。
Today their family members and parents are still under surveillance or even house arrests . Those surviving must continue to live in the shadow of the 4 June incident for the rest of their lives
六四是一種態度，是對真理和公義的堅持。
The 4 June incident is about an attitude the persistent pursuit of the truth and justice
人民面對專制的政權，仍可勇敢地站出來，讓這個政權知道它做錯了，讓全世界知道我們這些價值和勇氣是會堅持到底的。
Even in the face of the autocratic regime people could pluck up the courage all the same and come forward with the intention of telling it that it was wrong and enabling the whole world to know that they would persistently uphold such values and their courage till the end
六四本身反映着這份堅持，我相信除了從政的人外，很多市民均是帶着這份堅持，才會每年前往維園，每年都有超過10萬人仍記得這件事。
The 4 June incident itself is a reflection of such persistence . I believe that apart from politicians many people also uphold such persistence . This is why they go to the Victoria Park every year and this is also why more than 100 000 people still want to commemorate this incident every year
這種堅持，是一種態度。
Such persistence is an attitude
六四是一種教訓，這種教訓讓專制的政權知道，並非使用武力鎮壓，民間便會被滅聲。
The 4 June incident is a bitter lesson one which has enabled autocratic regimes to realize that they cannot possibly silence their people by violent crackdowns
六四是一種教訓，原來我們沒有民主的政制，在沒有民主的制度下，當權者可以犯下彌天大錯，可以殺人，可以殘害自己的人民。
The 4 June incident is a bitter lesson which has enabled us to understand that in a place without any democratic political regime or democratic system those in power can commit the unacceptable evil deed of killing and doing cruelty to people . We must firmly remember this bitter lesson
我們深刻記住這種教訓，這種教訓令我們今天仍然記得我們為何要爭取民主，民主不能解決所有問題，但民主絕對可制約當權者，令這些大屠城、大屠殺的事件絕對不會再發生。
It has served to remind us of the reasons why we want to strive for democracy today . Democracy is not a solution to all problems . But democracy can certainly constrain those in power and ensure that such massacres and slaughters will never ever happen again
六四是很多年青人的政治啟蒙，包括我自己。
The 4 June incident is a political enlightenment to many young people including me
六四讓我看清楚民主和言論自由的價值、集會結社自由的可貴，至今香港仍然是全球華人社區內最主要的，而且是唯一能在中國領土上合法討論六四、為六四事件舉行集會和悼念活動的地方，這些正是當年在天安門廣場喪失性命的市民及年青人爭取的東西。
The 4 June incident has enabled me to see clearly how valuable democracy and freedom of speech are and also how precious the freedoms of assembly and of association are . Since the incident Hong Kong has remained a major place in the international Chinese community and also the only place in Chinese territory where discussions on the 4 June incident are not unlawful and where assemblies and commemorative activities can be held for the 4 June incident . All these are precisely the result of the fight involving those people and youngsters who lost their lives in Tiananmen Square that year
所以，六四對每一個人、對社會、對國家，都是很深刻的教訓和傷痛。
Therefore the 4 June incident is a profound lesson and wound to every individual the community and the country alike
我呼籲香港市民要堅持平反六四及悼念六四，要記得這深刻的教訓，要在六四的討論中，再次緊記死去的人為了民主價值，為了自由的理念，為了反貪腐、反倒退而所作出的犧牲。
I call upon Hong Kong people to persist in their demand for vindication of the 4 June incident and commemoration of it . People should remember the 4 June incident as a profound lesson and constantly remind themselves through related discussions on the sacrifices made by the deceased for the value of democracy for the conviction of freedom and also for their rejection of corruption and regression
我亦呼籲年青人，我這一代或新一代要記着六四是每一個人的事，六四是個人對良知和道德價值的反映，甚至是從政者的道德底線。
I also wish to make an appeal to young people . The generation to which I belong or the new generations should remember the 4 June incident as a matter concerning everybody . The 4 June incident is a reflection of ones conscience and ethical values or even the ethical bottom line of a politician
六四如此敏感的性質，正可考驗和挑戰從政者或每一個人的底線及道德，看看他們是否有膽量和勇氣說出真相。
Due to its sensitive nature the 4 June incident can precisely serve as a test or challenge of the bottom line and ethical values held by a politician or an individual and enable us to see whether he is brave or courageous enough to speak the truth
所以，不論秉持哪種政治理念，我希望包括我在內的年青一代，甚至比我更年青的一代，要繼承這種平反六四的堅持。
Therefore I hope that despite their dissenting political views the young generation to which I belong and even the generations of people younger than me can inherit our persistence in vindicating the 4 June incident
堅持下去的話，民主會戰勝歸來。
With such persistence democracy shall win and come to us
主席，我發言支持郭偉强議員的修正案。
President I rise to speak in support of Mr KWOK Wai - keungs amendment
主席，我自己也是居屋選區的區議員，圍標是我們的街坊很關注的問題，尤其是我們其中一個屋苑的管理公司亦曾受害，發生了一宗圍標個案。
President I am a District Council member serving a constituency which comprises Home Ownership Scheme estates . Bid - rigging is a major concern to our residents particularly because the management company of one of our estates has also been a victim of a bid - rigging case
因此，我們的街坊十分關注圍標問題。
For this reason our residents are very much concerned about bid - rigging
我們抱有合理懷疑，認為這些其實均是參與圍標的空殼公司，否則我們也想不到有何原因令這些未能中標的公司可以繼續營運。
Given our reasonable suspicions we consider that these are actually shell companies engaged in bid - rigging otherwise we cannot think of any reason why these unsuccessful bidders can manage to carry on their business
因此，這種市場生態其實是十分不健康的。
Therefore such market ecology is actually most unhealthy
事實上，大廈圍標問題已困擾香港多年，情況不但未見改善，反而越演越烈。
In fact bid - rigging in connection with buildings has been plaguing Hong Kong for years . Instead of showing any sign of improvement the situation has gone from bad to worse
對於現時圍標常態化的市場生態，其實政府當年須負上一定責任。
As regards the current market ecology in which bid - rigging has become a norm the Government should actually bear some responsibility for what it did back in the old days
據我理解，其實政府希望透過類似公司股東的制度，讓業主以股東身份管理屋苑，但當中有數項特別大的不足之處令業主立案法團的運作並不成功。
As far as I understand it the Government actually seeks to enable property owners to manage their estates in the capacity as shareholders just like company shareholders . But there are several particularly material shortcomings which have rendered the operation of owners corporations OCs unsuccessful
第一，買股票是主動的，但住戶被迫參與屋苑法團的工作則是被動的。
First buying shares is an active act while residents are in a passive position when they are forced to get involved in the work of OCs of their estates
第二，業主大會的管理和監控比股東大會鬆散得多。
Second the management and control of general meetings are much laxer than that of shareholders general meetings
第四，股東大會的授權書其實相對嚴謹，正如我們現在即將進行的修例後的業主授權書般，須作出相關選擇。
Fourth actually the proxy forms for shareholders general meetings are relatively more stringent and require choice making just like the property owners proxy instruments following the legislative amendment exercise that we are about to take forward now
但目前為止，業主大會的授權書純粹是委任其他人士，任由他們怎樣投票也可。
But so far the proxy forms for general meetings purely serve to appoint other persons who will then be free to vote
因此，我只可說現時業主大會的運作模式只是一種"山寨版"公司股東大會的差劣運作模式。
Hence I can only say that the conduct of general meetings currently is so terrible that it can only be regarded as an inferior copy of shareholders general meetings
結果，即使香港人如何精明，也無法避過圍標問題。
As a result no matter how shrewd Hong Kong people are they cannot avoid falling victim to bid - rigging
這因而令大廈維修工程的價格逐漸變成不法分子眼中的"肥肉"。
Consequently the prices of maintenance works of buildings have gradually become a cash cow in the eyes of unruly elements
另一方面，在2012年推行的強制驗樓和強制驗窗的計劃，其實對市民而言是好事，尤其是對於該等日久失修、樓齡相對較高的屋 苑，這是應有的做法。
On the other hand the Mandatory Building Inspection Scheme and the Mandatory Window Inspection Scheme launched in 2012 are actually beneficial to members of the public . This is a proper approach particularly for those older estates in a state of disrepair
但剛巧加上市場上的陋習，令圍標情況相應地興旺起來，變相為大廈圍標常態化提供了良好的土壤。
But it so happens that fuelled by market malpractices bid - rigging has run rampant consequential to this thereby creating a hotbed of bid - rigging which in turn facilitates its development into a norm
但要杜絕圍標，我相信仍要走一段漫長的路。
But I believe there is still a long way to go before bid - rigging can be eradicated
我希望無論是發展局局長或民政事務局局長也可以盡快完成相關法例的檢討工作，同時增加民政事務總署的資源和人手，以應付未來有增無減的工作量，因為透過親身接觸，我知道其實民政事務總署前線聯絡主任的工作量真的非常繁重，當中有些可能要管理四五個屋苑。
I hope both the Secretary for Development and the Secretary for Home Affairs can complete the review of the legislation expeditiously and also provide the Home Affairs Department with additional resources and manpower so as to cope with the future workload which will only increase because I know from first - hand experience that frontline Liaison Officers of the Home Affairs Department are really burdened with a heavy workload with some of whom having to manage four or five estates
如果事無大小也要找他們處理，其實是沒有可能應付的。
If they are asked to attend to every single matter be it big or small actually it will be a mission impossible
我希望局方能增加資源，以完善建築物管理的整體制度，保障小業主的權益。
I hope the Bureau can increase resources in order to perfect the overall building management system and protect the rights and interests of small property owners
此外，我十分贊同郭偉强議員在修正案中提到政府應盡快建立一站式維修工程資訊平台及資料庫的建議，讓小業主和法團有足夠資訊判斷和比較工程價格，避免出現我們今天想吃蘋果，但卻只獲給予榴槤和西瓜作比較的不合理情況。
Furthermore I very much agree with Mr KWOK Wai - keung who proposes in his amendment that the Government should expeditiously establish a one - stop maintenance information platform and database thereby enabling small property owners and OCs to make informed judgment and comparison about project prices and avoiding the unreasonable situation in which we are only offered durians and watermelons for comparison while we actually prefer apples today
總而言之，政府在處理圍標的問題上，必須有決心重新掌握主導權，投放更多資源，雙管齊下，從教育業主......
All in all on tackling the bid - rigging issue the Government must be determined to resume a leading role and commit more resources to it under a two - pronged approach from educating property owners
主席，首先，我要回應建制派議員的一些發言內容，然後才會講述今次我為何支持這項議案。
President first of all I wish to respond to the points made by certain pro - establishment Members in their speeches and then I will talk about why I support this motion
陸頌雄議員剛才說他計算過，這場鬧劇上演了千多天，即接近5年時間，因為還有20多天梁振英便會離任。
Just now Mr LUK Chung - hung said that this farce has lasted for over a thousand days close to five years and after 20 - odd days LEUNG Chun - ying would step down . He was right
市民受夠了，真的很想休養生息，我亦很明白市民的想法。
The people have had enough . They wish to recuperate from such turmoils . I fully understand their thoughts
如非迫不得己，有誰會想在這20多天的時間，再次提起這個人？
Had we the choice who would want to talk about this person again in these 20 - odd days?
很可惜他卻陰魂不散，臨離開卻仍天天"搞事"，這才是令市民最痛心的。
It is a shame that he still haunts us like a phantom and continues to stir up trouble before his departure and that is what the people are most sad
如果可以，我寧可把專注力放在安老事務上。
If I could I would rather concentrate on elderly care
近日又有長者因為抵受不住壓力，先殺死妻子再向警方自首。
Recently there was another incident in which an elderly man being unable to bear the pressure of life killed his wife and then turned himself in to the Police
如果可以，我很想盡我每分力量去改善安老問題。
If I could I prefer to do my utmost to improve elderly care services
港珠澳大橋醜聞不斷，日後也不知道是否安全，如果可以，我亦想集中火力處理這件事。
The Hong Kong - Zhuhai - Macao Bridge is rife with scandals and its future safety is at stake . If I could I wish to concentrate my efforts to deal with it
我更想全力以赴推動墟市政策，因為表面上一項很小的政策，卻可以令社會上很多人受惠。
I also wish to do my very best to promote the policy on bazaars because a seemingly small policy may benefit many in society
然而，我不得不支持這項議案，因為梁振英沒有一天停止摧毀香港的核心價值，亦令議會尊嚴盡喪，我不得不在此為了立法會的尊嚴，支持這議案，真是沒有辦法。
However I cannot help but support this motion because LEUNG Chun - ying has never stopped destroying Hong Kongs core values and depriving this Council of its dignity . To safeguard the dignity of the Legislative Council I must support this motion . There is really nothing else I can do
陸頌雄議員剛才說甚麼"擾擾攘攘，結果一樣"。
Mr LUK Chung - hung has just said something like After much ado the result is just the same
沒錯，建制派議員壟斷了立法會的票數，每次投票表決，他們一定會勝利，但這是否"結果一樣"？
It is true that with the pro - establishment Members constituting the majority in the Legislative Council they will win in every vote but does this mean the result is just the same?
在他們眼中可能是，因為他們想到的只有利益和權力，所以便認為結果一樣。
It might well be in their eyes because all they can see are benefits and power . Hence they think the result is just the same
這個議會已變成"人人都是梁振英"，因為他們的文件由梁振英直接修改。
In this Council everyone has become LEUNG Chun - ying as their documents are directly amended by LEUNG Chun - ying
我們只要平實表述他做過的種種事端惡行，市民便已體會到他是一名惡魔。
We only need to give a plain account of his evil deeds and people will see that he is a ferocious demon
自梁振英上任以來，從未停止過文攻武鬥。
Ever since he assumed office LEUNG Chun - ying has never stopped launching verbal and physical assaults
" 大家是否知道市民有多憤怒？
Do Members know how angry the public are?
所以，迫不得己，即使我不想再談梁振英這個人，我也要代市民發聲，但如果可以，我寧可盡快開始討論六四的議案，我很想討論六四，亦很想討論安老事務，只可惜不行。
Hence no matter how reluctant I am to talk about LEUNG Chun - ying again I must speak for the people . But if I could I would rather commence the discussion on the motion about the 4 June incident as soon as possible and I also eager to discuss elderly care but I just cannot do so
有人經常指責我們對梁振英作出不公平的指控和懲罰，但對於一個完全濫權瀆職的人，說出他所犯的過失，是否叫做不公平？
Some people always criticize us for making unfair accusations against LEUNG Chun - ying and trying to punish him but in dealing with a person who is in complete dereliction of duty is it unfair to expose his wrongdoings?
對一個濫權瀆職的人，對他提出彈劾議案，又有何問題？
What is wrong with initiating a motion to impeach a person who committed dereliction of duty?
真正不公平的，是建制派議員文過飾非，把這件事說成是無聊瑣屑。
What is really unfair is that pro - establishment Members gloss over his mistakes and make this incident seem frivolous and trivial
我剛進入議會時，曾有同事告訴我，建制派的質詢和發言很多時是由政府人員為他們撰寫，我聽到後也不大相信，但他們今天說我們指責行政長官直接修改議員的文件是"炒冷飯"，我便覺得這可能亦是事實，因為他們做得多，便認為輕鬆平常，其實他們每個人都是梁振英，所以有何特別、有何新鮮？
When I first joined this Council some colleagues told me that the questions and speeches of pro - establishment Members were very often written by government officials on their behalf I did not fully believe at that time . But today when they said that our accusation of the Chief Executive directly amending a Members document is repeating the same old stuff I believe that the above saying may be true . As they are so used to that practice it is no big deal to them
我相信從他們的回應中，也可以看到這些痕跡，而這正正令到我們更加痛心。
I can see such hints in their responses and that saddens us even more
這場鬧劇上演了5年，究竟是否只是一場"口水戰"？
This farce has been running for five years . Is it merely a war of words?
我相信廣大市民心中有數。
I believe the general public have a pretty good idea about it
這5年來民不聊生，政府也許亦曾嘗試改善，但它所做的惡事更多，市民深惡痛絕，我們又怎能視若無睹？
People have been living in dire conditions in the past five years . The Government may have tried to improve their conditions but it has done even more evil things which are utterly abhorred and detested by the people . How can we turn a blind eye to that?
就UGL一事，最終究竟梁振英有否行為失當，我們不知道，所以便要調查。
In respect of the UGL incident we do not know if LEUNG Chun - ying has committed the offence of misconduct in public office and that is why we have to inquire into it
沒有人在此下結論，如果已下結論，還用調查嗎？
No one has made a conclusion here . If a conclusion is made do we still need to investigate?
如果不是因為他是梁振英，是特首，日後更可能是太上王，周浩鼎議員會這樣做嗎？
If the person were not Chief Executive LEUNG Chun - ying who may become the supreme ruler one day would Mr Holden CHOW agree to do so?
梁振英修改了甚麼？
What has LEUNG Chun - ying amended?
首先，我們要知道他為何如此害怕，因為他與UGL之間的協議並非如他經常強調的只是一份離職協議，離職協議為何不是跟戴德梁行簽訂而是跟UGL簽訂？
First we have to find out why he was so afraid . He was afraid because the agreement he made with UGL was not merely a resignation agreement as he always stressed to be . If it was a resignation agreement why did he not sign with DTZ but with UGL?
但最明顯的是，這份協議包括了日後的一些服務，這是一份服務協議。
But obviously as the agreement stated certain services to be provided later it was a service agreement
我們要調查協議的內容，無緣無故卻變成調查文件的真偽，而且只限於一份文件。
The inquiry into the contents of the agreement has changed for no reason to the inquiry into the authenticity of the document and the inquiry is restricted to only one document
事實上，很多同事說過，背後牽涉許多文件，那些文件才是最重要的。
In fact a number of colleagues have said that many documents are involved and those documents are the most important
財產申報和利益申報稍有不同，他偷換概念，轉移視線，確實厲害，單改數字，便可摧毀整個專責委員會的效率。
He has distorted the concept and shifted the attention . That is a really clever move . Just by changing the numbers he could lower the efficiency of the Select Committee