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議員亦同意我以內務委員會主席的身份，動議議案將該項規例的審議期限，延展至2017年2月8日，以便有關小組委員會有足夠的時間進行審議工作。
Members also agreed that I in my capacity as Chairman of the House Committee shall move a motion to extend the scrutiny period for the Regulation to 8 February 2017 so as to allow sufficient time for the Subcommittees scrutiny
我現在向各位提出的待議議題是：李慧琼議員動議的議案，予以通過。
I now put the question to you and that is That the motion moved by Ms Starry LEE be passed
主席，我完全認同周浩鼎議員剛才一番慷慨激昂的陳辭，尤其是我認為立法會絕不能姑息養奸，但我指的是梁振英。
President I totally agree with the passionate remarks made by Mr Holden CHOW just now . I particularly consider that the Legislative Council should not condone the evil yet I am referring to LEUNG Chun - ying
民建聯議員過去針對梁振英UGL事件採取了甚麼態度？
What kind of an attitude did Members of the Democratic Alliance for the Betterment and Progress of Hong Kong DAB adopt in the past in respect of the UGL incident involving LEUNG Chun - ying?
我將周浩鼎議員剛才激昂萬分的四字詞回贈他們。
I will apply Mr Holden CHOWs colloquial phrases to them in return
甚麼是姑息養奸？
What is condoning the evil?
對於如何教好下一代，我相信任何香港人，只要聽到民建聯議員的發言，特別是周浩鼎議員剛才那番激昂陳辭，現在回想起來，心裏必然有另一番滋味。
As to how to teach the next generation properly I trust any Hongkongers who have heard the remarks of Members from the DAB particularly the passionate speech of Mr Holden CHOW must have a strange feeling at heart when they recap the remarks now
主席，以下請容許我引述一位智者的一段說話，我引述如下："立法會的機制是不可以隨便使用的，而必須是用作調查牽涉到重大公眾利益的事項，而不是就個別議員的私人操守、行為或交易上有任何違法的行為，便馬上引用第49B條，因為這樣便會把立法會變為另一個法庭，審判有關議員的操守或行為，這些都不是適當的做法......
President please allow me to quote the excerpt of the remarks from a wise man and I quote the mechanism of the Legislative Council should not be activated casually . It must be activated only for the purpose of investigating matters of significant public interest . It is definitely inadvisable to invoke 49B1A immediately to address the personal integrity or conduct of individual Members or any illegal acts of transaction conducted by Members Rule 49B1A should not be invoked indiscriminately as a mechanism for conduct of investigations
以第49B條動輒作為調查機制，我認為這做法是濫用程序，是abuse of process。
I consider this an abuse of process
何況......我們今天開這先例，恐怕不是針對個別議員或事主的問題，而是機制開始後，恐怕事情將來會沒完沒了。
Furthermore I am afraid the precedent set today is not a question of pinpointing individual Members or the persons concerned but things will simply see no end after the mechanism is activated
當然，我不知謝偉俊議員心中有何想法，因為也不容許我去想。
Certainly I do not know what Mr Paul TSE thinks at heart for I am not in a position to do so
不過，我想帶出的是，這番如此有智慧的說話，是謝偉俊議員在2009年反對譴責議案時所說的。
However I would like to point out that the wise remarks were made by Mr Paul TSE in 2009 when he opposed the censure motion
事過境遷，說的只是7年，為何同一位謝偉俊議員，今天卻高舉道德旗幟，嘗試針對鄭松泰議員呢？
That incident is now history . It has only been seven years why would the same Mr Paul TSE brandished this moral banner today to try to target Dr CHENG Chung - tai?
主席，我從不喜歡動輒以陰謀論來分析問題，但經歷了梁振英政府治下這數年，作為一個普通的香港人，作為一個有少許邏輯分析能力的香港人也很難不以陰謀論來看這事。
President I dislike applying the conspiracy theory readily in analysing problems . However having been subject to government of the LEUNG Chun - ying Administration for the past few years it is really hard for an average Hongkonger as well as a Hongkonger with some logic and analytical power not to consider the incident a conspiracy
不過，與其稱這為陰謀，主席，我認為稱為"陽謀"更為合適。
Nonetheless President I think it is more appropriate to call this a blatant plot rather than a conspiracy
因為自從9月4日立法會選舉非建制派獲取30席，尤其是守緊了關鍵的分組點票的否決權後，有部分在香港參政的人可能未能向主子交差我說的主子是來自北方的所以便嘗試用盡不同方法，希望製造一些缺口，為未來鋪路，以便再次獲取一些議席。
For since the non - establishment camp won 30 seats in the Legislative Council Election on 4 September which enabled it to secure the power to veto in any division to exert critical influence certain people engaging in politics in Hong Kong may have failed to present a satisfactory report to their masters―I am referring to masters in the North . These people have thus attempted by hook or by crook to breach certain gaps and pave the way for the future such that some seats could be won again
其實，建制派已經如願已償，主席，因為青年新政的兩位立法會議員在這一刻而言已經被取消資格。
In fact the pro - establishment camp has already had their wish granted . President the two Members of the Legislative Council from the Youngspiration have been disqualified―for the time being
這個"陽謀"最後能否得逞呢？
Will this blatant plot succeed in the end?
當然，我們需要相信廣大香港選民的智慧。
Certainly we have to trust the wisdom of the voters in Hong Kong at large
不過，我希望帶出一點，就是謝偉俊議員今次所做的，造成了一個客觀事實，就是議員隨時可能因為不聽話而被針對。
However I would like to raise one point . The current practice of Mr Paul TSE has created the objective fact that Members may be targeted anytime they are not acting obediently
今次引用《議事規則》第49B條所提出的這項譴責議案，主席，是前所未有的。
The invoking of Rule 49B1A of the Rules of Procedure to propose the censure motion this time around President is unprecedented
我想指出的是，基於一項如此瑣碎、無聊兼搗蛋的行為，作出兩項如此嚴重的指控，從而啟動一個後果可以是"被取消議員資格"的機制，這種做法完全有違立法會過去的行事方式和常規。
I have to point out that the two severe allegations are made on the ground of a trivial meaningless and mischievous act yet it has set off the mechanism with the consequence of a Member being disqualified from office . This practice runs totally against the approaches and conventions adopted by the Legislative Council all along
更有趣的一點是，正如我剛才提及，今次提出議案的竟然是謝偉俊議員。
A more interesting point is that is as I mentioned earlier the motion is proposed by Mr Paul TSE this time around
我相信謝偉俊議員必然很清楚。
I trust Mr Paul TSE must know it full well
即使陳志全議員今天提出的議案未必獲得通過，本會因而可以成立一個調查委員會，但最後這個委員會所得的結論能否獲得本會支持，繼而能否成功譴責鄭松泰議員呢？
Even if the motion proposed by Mr CHAN Chi - chuen today is vetoed and an investigation committee is set up will the conclusion drawn by this committee eventually gain the support of this Council? . Will they succeed with this censure on Dr CHENG Chung - tai?
我相信謝偉俊議員必然非常清楚。
I trust Mr Paul TSE is extremely clear about this
就是說今次做的可能只是一個單純的政治行為，單純的政治計算。
It means that the action done this time around may be purely a political act and a political calculation
當然，我們已不下一次提出，將立法會變成法庭未必是最有效的做法，而將立法會動輒變成一個平台，追討在政治上與我們不一致的人，更是立下非常壞的先例，對立法會沒有一點兒好處。
Certainly we have pointed out more than once that it may not be the most effective approach to turn the Legislative Council into a court . On the other hand if the Legislative Council is readily turned into a platform for condemning those people who disagree with us in politics it will only set an extremely bad precedent and bring no benefit to the Legislative Council
主席，對於謝偉俊議員今次提出的議案，繼而成立的調查委員會最後可以查出甚麼，我相信沒有人知道，但有一個客觀的事實，就是他會打開一個缺口，加深議會內各黨派間的猜疑，令大家失去互信。
President regarding the motion proposed by Mr Paul TSE today which will lead to the forming of an investigation committee I think no one knows what the investigation committee will find out . Yet the objective fact is that he will breach a gap that will intensify the suspicions among various political parties and groupings causing their trust to wither further
我想說一點歷史，主席，根據立法會的資料，議事規則委員會過往曾討論第49B條，也曾討論何謂行為不檢，是否應作出定義，界定甚麼行為是行為不檢，以及行為的嚴重程度怎樣才算是符合第七十九條第七項等問題。
Let me recap some history . President according to the information of the Legislative Council the Committee on Rules of Procedure did discuss Rule 49B in the past . It also discussed the definition of misbehaviour whether or not a definition should be laid down to define what conduct is misbehaviour and the severity of misbehaviour that constitutes a breach of Article 797
可是，經過反覆思量，所得結論是不宜也不需要作出定義，因為有關行為的嚴重程度，在《基本法》的其他條文已經 有答案。
However after thorough deliberations it was concluded that it was inappropriate and unnecessary to make such a definition for other provisions in the Basic Law have provided the answers on the severity of such misbehaviour
主席，《基本法》第七十九條第六項列明，我引述："在香港特別行政區區內或區外被判有刑事罪行，判處監禁一個月以上"，這就是客觀標準。
President it is stipulated in Article 796 of the Basic Law that and I quote When he or she is convicted and sentenced to imprisonment for one month or more for a criminal offence committed within or outside the Region . This is the objective criterion
有關行為必然要符合這個客觀標準，在這個客觀標準以下的，均應屬於輕微罪行，而對於經過法庭以非輕微罪行而判處入獄的行為，我們才需要作出考慮。
The behaviour in question must meet this objective criterion . Other behaviour falling short of this objective criterion should be regarded as a minor offence . We are only required to consider behaviour which is regarded as a non - minor offence and sentenced for imprisonment by the Court
其實，這已是放在眼前，這便是我們的規矩。
In fact these criteria are set before us and these are the established rules
主席，如果以這把尺來量度鄭松泰議員當天的行為，這項譴責議案是否值得支持呢？
President if this rule is used to assess the conduct of Dr CHENG Chung - tai on that day will the censure motion merit support?
首先，鄭議員當天倒插國旗的行為跟小學生無異，我嚴正指出我對他的行為絕對不表認同，也不能得到我的尊重，但客觀而言，這種行為是否可以與足以被判處入獄1個月或以上的行為相提並論呢？
First Dr CHENGs act of inverting the national flags is as childish as a primary pupil . I solemnly state that I totally disagree with his conduct and such conduct will not gain my respect . Yet objectively speaking could such conduct be lumped together with conduct that warrants imprisonment of one month or more?
主席，剛才有同事也慷慨激昂地指出這種行為是侮辱國旗和區旗，可能會觸犯《國旗及國徽條例》。
President just now some colleagues pointed out emotionally and forcefully that the said act was an insult to the national flag and the national emblem which may contravene the National Flag and National Emblem Ordinance
是故意以焚燒、毀損、塗劃、玷污、踐踏等方式所作的侮辱行為，這些才是針對《國旗及國徽條例》的法律定義。
Only acts of desecration involving the wilful burning mutilating scrawling on defiling or trampling on of national flags are within the legal definition of the National Flag and National Emblem Ordinance
那麼倒插國旗又是否屬於剛才所提出的元素呢？
If so does the act of inverting the national flags come under the elements mentioned just now?
我相信小學生也知道這根本是絕不適用的。
I think even primary pupils would know that those are definitely inapplicable
主席，在結束陳辭前，我想多舉一個例子，以證明在取消議員資格的問題上，其實立法會包括不同黨派的議員，均曾展示他們高度的智慧、胸襟、氣度，以演譯第49B條。
President as I come to the close of my speech I would like to cite an example to prove that Members of the Legislative Council from different political parties and groupings have exhibited profound wisdom sufficient breadth of mind and impressive forbearance in interpreting Rule 49B in addressing the issue of disqualifying a Member
當時，有一位議員曾經這樣說，我引述："解除一名議員的職務，是相當嚴肅的事情，同時是推翻選民當初的抉擇，所以一定要有充足的理由......
Back then a Member said and I quote However I also understand that to relieve a Member of his duties as a Member of the Legislative Council is a most solemn matter . It is also an act that overrides the original preference of the voters
我雖絕不認同其行為，但亦必須承認其嚴重性未足以構成需要解除他的議員職務。
Therefore there must be full justifications for our decision Although I will never agree with such behaviour I must admit that its severity does not suffice to support any decision to relieve him of his duties as a Member
"是哪位議員這麼有智慧說出這番說話？
Which Member had the wisdom to make such a remark?
未知到了今天投票的時候，陳議員會否再次高舉他當天這番得體、大方、有氣度的說話和精神呢？
By the time of voting today I wonder if Mr CHAN will uphold this appropriate open and forbearing remark and spirit he displayed that day
不過，我想帶出的是，主席，除非法院已經判罪，否則，我們應否動輒啟動我們內部的程序針對另一位議員？
However President I would like to bring forth the point that unless a Member is convicted by the Court we should not hastily activate our internal procedures against another Member
我相信這是一個要非常慎重地考慮的問題，也不是簡單地由數位議員站立支持成立一個調查委員會，便可以以達到的目的。
I think this is an issue which should be considered with extreme caution . Yet this purpose cannot be achieved by the forming of an investigation committee which is supported by the rising of a few Members at the meeting
有些議員在過去扮開明、扮專業，但今天卻對自己的同事疾言厲色，我相信並不是他改變了，這可能是他嘗試刻意地要討支持他的人的歡心。
Some Members who pretended to be open - minded and professional in the past are harsh and critical towards their colleagues today . I believe it is not because he has changed only that he may be deliberately trying to please his supporters
我在結束陳辭時要說的最後一句是，主席，太陽可能未必能夠正常地從東方升起。
President I would like to close my speech with this last sentence The sun may not rise in the East as usual
代理主席，我支持陳志全議員的議案的原因主要有3點。
Deputy President there are three main reasons for my support of Mr CHAN Chi - chuens motion
我引述一段說話以表白我的心跡。
I here quote a passage to express my thoughts
"代理主席，《議事規則》第49B1條的條文相當清晰，說明議員在觸犯刑事罪行，並且被判處監禁1個月或以上的情況下才適用。
Deputy President Rule 49B1 of the Rules of Procedure clearly states that it could only be invoked when a Member was convicted of a criminal offences and was sentenced to imprisonment for one month or more
但是第49B條，即我們今天爭議的條文，並沒有訂明在甚麼情況下適用，除了很籠統地說當議員違反《基本法》誓言，或如今天所討論般當行為上有些不檢點，但行為不檢的定義是相當廣闊的。
Rule 49B1A that is the provision invoked by us today does not state under what circumstances it can be invoked except for the general description of censuring a Member for breach of oath under the Basic Law or misbehaviour as stated today . However the definition of misbehavior can be very wide
"代理主席，立法會在調查方面當然擁有很大權限和機制，但依我愚見，立法會機制不能隨便使用，必須用作調查牽涉重大公眾利益的事項，而不是就個別議員的私人操守、行為或任何被認為屬違法的行為作出規限。
Deputy President the Legislative Council certainly possesses enormous powers and a mechanism in conducting investigations . However my humble opinion is that the mechanism of the Legislative Council should not be activated casually . It must be activated only for the purpose of investigating matters of significant public interest
如此便立刻引用《議事規則》第49B條並不恰當，因為這樣會把立法會變成法庭，審判有關議員的操守和行為，這些都不是適當的做法。
It is definitely inadvisable to invoke Rule 49B1A of the Rules of Procedure immediately to address the personal integrity or conduct of individual Members or any illegal acts of transaction conducted by Members . This is because in doing so the Legislative Council will be turned into a court to try the integrity or conduct of the relevant Member which is inappropriate
相反，如果議員有任何投訴，不論是刑事或民事，我們絕對有適當的機制，包括法庭及相關法定組織，在它們負責調查、審理及作出決定後，如果決定值得立法會跟進及引用《議事規則》第49B1條或第49B條作出譴責，才應該進行，而並非如此草率，動輒引用第49B條行使調查機制，我認為這個做法是濫用程序；何況，代理主席，如果我們今天開此先例，恐怕不是針對個別議員或事主的問題，而是機制開始後，恐怕事情將會沒完沒了。
On the contrary if there are any complaints whether criminal or civil an appropriate mechanism including the Court and other statutory bodies is definitely in place for investigations and trials to be conducted and decisions made . The Legislative Council will take follow - up actions and invoke Rule 49B1 or Rule 49B1A of the Rules of Procedure only if the decision so made is worthwhile for the Legislative Council to act accordingly . Rule 49B1A should not be invoked rashly and indiscriminately as a mechanism for conduct investigation
" 上述一段說話是大家剛才一直引述，謝偉俊議員在上次反對前議員劉健儀根據《議事規則》第49B條調查甘乃威的議案時作出的發言。
The aforementioned remarks were made by Mr Paul TSE previously against Mrs Miriam LAUs motion to investigate Mr KAM Nai - wai under Rule 49B1A of the Rules of Procedure which many Members have been citing earlier
其實我感到十分震驚，因為這段說話內容正適合我們今天引用，即我嘗試用昨天的謝偉俊議員打倒今天的謝偉俊議員，而今天的謝偉俊議員亦打倒昨天的謝偉俊議員。
In fact I was shocked to find that these remarks are an apt quote for us to cite today . That is I try to use yesterdays Mr Paul TSE to knock down todays Mr Paul TSE and yesterdays Mr Paul TSE by todays Mr Paul TSE
主席，我剛才也提到支持陳志全議員的理由，是這樣做有機會令議會日後的爭拗無日無之。
President I have also mentioned the reason for supporting Mr CHAN Chi - chuen which is his course of action will cause endless disputes in the Council
剛才有同事以用機關槍射蜜蜂作比喻，我則簡單地用中國人的說法："用尚方寶劍挑芝麻綠豆"，做法是否恰當，是否小題大做，自有公論。
A Member used the metaphor shooting bumble bees with a machine gun just now . I simply describe it with a Chinese saying using an imperial sword to pick sesame seeds . Public opinion will judge whether it is appropriate or making a mountain out of a molehill
根據《國旗及國徽條例》主席，其實我上次在內務委員會會議上也引述過第5條"國旗、國徽的製造受規管"，如果並非由限定的製造商製造，律政司可禁止、沒收及起訴；而根據附表1，國旗或宣稱為國旗的物品，其尺寸、色澤及 比例均有限制，例如其中兩款一定要為長方形，其長與高為三與二之比；此外，只有5種尺寸，最小的是96厘米乘64厘米；最大是288厘米乘192厘米。
President as I have cited at an earlier meeting of the House Committee under section 5 Manufacture of national flag and national emblem regulated of the National Flag and National Emblem Ordinance the Department of Justice may prohibit and forfeit the flag and initiate prosecution if it is not manufactured by a designated manufacturer; and under Schedule 1 the measurements colour and proportions of the national flag or an article declared as a national flag are all specified . For example two of the specifications state that it must be rectangular; the proportions of its length and height shall be 3 to 2; in addition there shall be only five measurements the smallest being 96 cm in length 64 cm in height; the largest being 288 cm in length 192 cm in height
很明顯，我們那天看到在議事廳展示的那些類似國旗的物品，應該不是國旗。
Obviously what we saw displayed in the Chamber that day similar to the national flag should not be a national flag
如果要處理，是否應該統一處理？
If so should it be handled in a unified manner?
今天謝偉俊議員引用這項條文是質疑所有當日擺放國旗宣稱是國旗的同事行為不當。
Mr Paul TSE has invoked this rule today to question that all Members who placed the national flags or what was declared as a national flag have misconducted themselves
我覺得建制派同事很多時抱持這種雙重標準。
I find that the pro - establishment Members often hold double standards
例如劉國勳議員剛才指責我們顛倒是非，"搖擺不定"，其實他完美地示範了何謂顛倒是非，"搖擺不定"。
For example Mr LAU Kwok - fan accused us of confounding right and wrong and holding wavering positions . In fact he is a perfect demonstration of confounding right and wrong and wavering positions
如果要以同一標準來批評鄭松泰議員，我認為大家也要撫心自問，究竟自己是否如此尊重國旗呢？
If the same standard is applied to criticize Dr CHENG Chung - tai then I believe everyone should ask themselves whether or not they actually respect the national flag so much?
我亦想在此提出一項挑戰，我想問他們口中所說這面我認為是道具，但他們認為是要珍而重之和很莊嚴的國旗，現時究竟擺放在哪裏？
I would also like to throw down the gauntlet here where are now those what I consider props but they consider solemn national flags to be treasured?
梁志祥議員說他是發自內心地擁護國家、國旗和主權等，我不清楚他有多發自內心，我並非他們肚內的蟲，我不會知道，但最少從建制派部分同事的行為看來，我相信民主派，或最少我本人，尊重國家主權、尊重國旗、尊重國徽，以及尊重國家尊嚴的程度也較他們高，最低限度我未曾向外國任何一個政府或政權效忠，而他們當中卻大有人在。
I do not know how spontaneous it is as I am not a worm in his belly . But judging at least by the behaviour of some Members of the pro - establishment camp I believe the democratic camp or at least myself have higher respect for the national sovereignty the national flag the national emblem and the national dignity than they do . At least I have never pledged allegiance to any foreign government or regime while many among them have done so
我真的覺得很奇怪，為何他們可以使用這種標準來評論事情呢？
I really find it very strange that they can make comments with such standards? . Their actions have said it all
身體是最誠實的，他們可以向其他國家宣誓，但卻告訴我們絕對擁護中華人民共和國的主權和國家尊嚴，說一面小國旗也是很重要的，然後便拿着一面顏色不對、比例不對的國旗，"吊吊揈"地插在這裏，像下半旗般橫躺在此，究竟成何體統呢？
They could pledge to another country then tell us that they absolutely support the sovereignty and dignity of the Peoples Republic of China . They said that a tiny flag is very important then placed a national flag of the wrong colour and proportions here horizontally letting it dangle like at half - mast . What impropriety it is?
中華人民共和國是一個無神論的國家，而共產黨亦是無神論的政黨，我認為她這個比喻也不知道究竟是一個讚譽，還是會使其尷尬。
The Peoples Republic of China is an atheistic country so is the Communist Party of China . I am not sure whether her metaphor is a compliment or an embarrassment to herself
無論如何，今天這件事情的總結，主席，我支持陳志全議員的理由，就是今天這件事情絕對不必要，而且如果開了先例，日後亦將會無日無之，我很擔心我們以後也需要不斷處理這種問題。
In any case to summarize this matter today President I support Mr CHAN Chi - chuen as todays matter is absolutely unnecessary and if a precedent is set things will see no end in the future . I am worried that we will have to deal with this problem continuously in future
主席，我發言是要反對陳志全議員就謝偉俊議員譴責鄭松泰議員議案而提出的不付諸行動議案。
President I rise to speak against the motion moved by Mr CHAN Chi - chuen that no further action shall be taken on the motion moved by Mr Paul TSE to censure Dr CHENG Chung - tai
大家知道，鄭松泰議員不是3歲，也不是13歲，更不是23歲，而是一名33歲的成年人，還是為人師表的大學講師。
As we all know Dr CHENG Chung - tai is not 3 years old not 13 years old not even 23 years old but a 33 - year - old adult and a teacher an university lecturer
他今次居然在眾目睽睽下作出如此幼稚、不尊重香港、不尊重國家、不尊重同事的行為，實在難辭其咎。
This time under the full gaze of the public he did an act so very childish disrespectful to Hong Kong disrespectful to the country and disrespectful to colleagues for which he can hardly absolve himself of the blame
鄭松泰議員當日趁建制派議員不在席時，擅自將議員檯面上的國旗及區旗倒轉擺放。
On that day Dr CHENG Chung - tai during the absence of pro - establishment Members took the liberty to invert the national and regional flags placed on Members desks
我們一眾議員在電視機畫面發現時，便立即趕返 會議廳內制止並警告他，清楚告訴他，其行為是錯誤的。
When we realized that on the television screen we immediately dashed back into the Chamber to stop and warn him telling him clearly that his behaviour was wrong
但是，當我離開會議廳後，鄭松泰議員竟然再次將我放正了的國旗及區旗倒轉擺放。
However after I had left the Chamber Dr CHENG Chung - tai once again inverted the national and regional flags that I had placed correctly
由此可知，我們並沒有誤會他的行為，他的行為並非玩鬧、惡作劇，而是故意一而再蓄意、公然侮辱他曾經宣誓效忠的中華人民共和國香港特別行政區的國旗和區旗。
It thus showed that we did not mistake his behaviour . His behaviour was not a joke or a prank but a deliberate repeated intentional and open insult to the national flag of the Peoples Republic of China and the regional flag of the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region to which he has pledged allegiance
其實，當天除了我制止他的行為外，立法會主席亦多次警告他，但他好像"借了聾耳陳的耳朵"般置之不理，裝作聽不到。
In fact apart from me who stopped his behaviour the President also warned him a number of times but he ignored all that by turning a deaf ear
直至主席表示要驅逐他離場，他才願意返回座位，且不願離場。
Only when the President said he would be expelled did he return to his seat still unwilling to leave
我知道今天在席的議員中，有些是鄭松泰議員的同路人，自然不希望"老友"被調查、被譴責。
I know that some of the Members present today are allies of Dr CHENG Chung - tai so naturally they do not want their buddy to be investigated and censured
但是，鄭松泰議員今次的行為全程在電視直播，令全城市民譁然。
However Dr CHENG Chung - tais behaviour was broadcast live on television the whole course and caused a public uproar
所以，若立法會今次不執行家規，只會令市民認為立法會議員互相包庇，立法會議員可以為所欲為，令已經受損害的立法會形象進一步受挫，亦向以立法會議員為楷模的下一代樹立壞榜樣。
Therefore if the Legislative Council does not enforce its house rules this time around the public will think that Members of the Legislative Council are covering up for each other and may act as they please harming the already damaged image of the Council and setting a bad example to the next generation who takes Members as role models
我相信很多當初投票給鄭松泰議員的選民，真的不知道原來鄭松泰議員會做這麼幼稚和無聊的事。
I believe voters who voted for Dr CHENG Chung - tai did not know he would do something this childish and nonsensical
陳志全議員剛才亦說，議會不應該成立調查委員會，不應開這種先例，他甚至暗示這只是政治行動。
Mr CHAN Chi - chuen also said just now that the Council should not establish an investigation committee and that such a precedent should not be set . He even hinted that this is only a political move
按這種說法，難道陳志全議員認為任何一位議員當選後，便可以無視法例、無視議會規則？
According to this argument does Mr CHAN Chi - chuen think that any Member elected may ignore the law and Council order?
我想即使小學生也懂得告訴他，"天子犯法，與庶民同罪"。
I believe even primary school pupils can tell him that everyone is equal before the law
如果大家信奉民主制度的話，便應該清楚知道，在民主國家，任何首長犯錯，一樣有機會被彈劾下台。
If we believe in democracy we should know that in a democratic country any head of state who committed a mistake may be impeached and asked to step down
我們說民主，亦要說法治，這樣社會的制度才能得到平衡。
When we talk about democracy we must also talk about the rule of law so that a balance can be struck among the social institutions
但是，有市民說國家的國旗代表中國人，數千年文化歷史蘊藏於此。
However some other members of the public said the national flag represents the Chinese people carrying thousands of years of culture and history
假如可以將國旗及區旗倒轉，他日......市民已經準備了一個鄭松泰議員祖先的神牌，讓他倒轉擺放。
If it is acceptable to invert the national and regional flags one day the people have prepared an ancestral tablet of Dr CHENG Chung - tais ancestors for him to place upside down
我相信鄭松泰議員不敢，我亦相信他不會。
I believe he does not dare and will not so do
今次鄭松泰議員倒轉擺放國旗及區旗事件，假如大家或鄭松泰議員的同路人認為鄭松泰議員的行為沒有問題、沒有錯，那麼他們為甚麼害怕成立調查委員會？
If everyone or his allies believe that there is nothing wrong with Dr CHENG Chung - tais behaviour then why are they afraid of the establishment of an investigation committee?
所以，我發言是要反對陳志全議員提出的不付諸行動議案，並支持謝偉俊議員將譴責鄭松泰議員的議案交付調查委員會處理。
Therefore I have spoken to oppose Mr CHAN Chi - chuens motion that no further action shall be taken but I support the censure motion moved by Mr Paul TSE against Dr CHENG Chung - tai and that the matter be referred to an investigation committee
"看，他也認為議事廳是莊重的，但如果是莊重的，他當日便不會倒轉擺放國旗了，並且一而再地倒轉擺放國旗，這種表現是絕對不莊重的。
Look he also thinks that the Chamber is solemn . However if it is solemn he should not have inverted the national flags and time and again for that matter . Such behaviour is absolutely improper