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既然要立法，我們應從較健全及全面的方向考慮有關法例。
Given the need for enactment of legislation we should consider the relevant legislation in a better and more comprehensive direction
我們今天確實並非辯論同性婚姻是否合法，而只是辯論應否讓在海外有合法關係的未亡人申領其配偶的骨灰。
Today we are actually not debating whether same - sex marriage is legal; we are merely debating whether or not people who have established legitimate relationships overseas should be allowed to claim the ashes of their spouses
主席，今天《私營骨灰安置所條例草案》終於恢復二讀，以及進入全體委員會審議階段。
Chairman finally the Second Reading of the Private Columbaria Bill the Bill is resumed today and the Committee stage will follow
自從2010年政府開始認真處理這個問題，到現在已經7年。
It has been seven years since the Government began to seriously deal with the problem in 2010
但是，私營龕場產生各種令市民困擾的問題，亦已有接近10年時間。
However private columbaria have been causing all kinds of nuisances to people for nearly 10 years
雖然《條例草案》通過之後，不等於私營龕場在不良營運下所衍生的問題就得到解決。
The passage of the Bill does not automatically solve the problems arising from the ill - operated private columbaria
但是，有法例明文規管，總比以前一直任由這些龕場自把自為好。
Nevertheless these columbaria are better off being subject to express regulation provided in the legislation than being allowed to run their own course
因此，民主黨議員會支持通過《條例草案》，令私營龕場的市場受到規範，重新納入正軌，保障各個持份者的權益。
Therefore Members of the Democratic Party will support the passage of the Bill to regulate the market of private columbaria and bring their operation back onto the right track for the protection of interests of all stakeholders
主席，我知道，我很快會進入有關討論。
Chairman I know . I will come to the discussion very soon
主席，民主黨一直強調，要全面增加公營骨灰龕位，亦要規範私營龕場。
Chairman the Democratic Party has all along stressed that the number of public niches must be increased across the board whereas private columbaria must be regulated
這項《條例草案》是處理上述第二項訴求，即規範私營龕場。
The Bill deals with the second aspiration I have just mentioned that is the regulation of private columbaria
在這辯論環節，我們要辯論的是，誰可以領回骨灰，所謂"相關人士"的定義是甚麼，以及辯論數類骨灰的"訂明申索人"之中，誰可以有優先權。
In this debate we are debating who can make a claim for the return of ashes that is the definition of the so - called related person as well as who has the priority of claim among several categories of prescribed claimant
我先說一說局長的第一組修正案，這項修正案欲修訂的條文關於就死者的骨灰而言，"訂明申索人"是指"獲授權代表、遺產代理人或親屬，亦指安放權的買方"。
I will first talk about the Secretarys first group of amendments . This group of amendments seeks to amend the provision that in relation to the ashes of a deceased person a prescribed claimant means an authorized representative a personal representative or relative or the purchaser of the interment right
政府提出的這項修正案在"訂明申索人"的定義中，加入"相關人士"的新增類別。
The Government proposes to add related person as a new category to prescribed claimant
而我們現在爭拗的是，"相關人士"包括甚麼人士？
And our argument right now is about what parties related person include?
政府的修正案是，就某死者而言，"相關人士"指"在緊接該死者逝世的日期前"，"與該死者在同一住戶內已生活最少2年"的人。
The Governments amendments are that in relation to a deceased person a prescribed claimant means a person who had been living with the deceased person in the same household for at least 2 years before the date of the death of the deceased person
民主黨議員會支持政府第一組修正案。
Members of the Democratic Party will support the Governments first group of amendments
我認為這項修正案將"相關人士"的定義擴大。
I consider this group of amendments an extension of the definition of related person
擴大和修訂的精神就是，將與死者生前同住一段頗長時間現在政府的建議是最少兩年包含在"相關人士"的定義之內。
The spirit of such an extension and amendment is to include persons who had been living with the deceased for a considerable period of time―the Governments current proposal is at least two years―in the definition of related person
我覺得這項修正案，反映法例比較有包容性，亦更加人性化，更加合理，以及照顧現實社會的需要香港的確有不同性傾向人士。
I think that this amendment reflects that the legislation is more tolerant more human and more reasonable as well as catering for the actual needs of society―there are people with different sexual orientation in Hong Kong
雖然"相關人士"中，可能大多數人都是異性戀者，但亦有同性戀者。
The majority of related person may be heterosexuals but there are also homosexuals
所以，如果法例的範圍訂得很狹窄的話，我們會將另一些人，即性小眾排諸門外，這是很不合理、不人性化，亦違犯人權。
Therefore a narrow scope of the legislation will exclude some other people who are sexual minorities . It is most unreasonable inhuman and also a violation of human rights
民主黨支持不同性傾向人士享有平等權利。
The Democratic Party supports equal rights for people with different sexual orientation
陳志全議員的修正案提出，將"相關人士"最少同住的年期由兩年縮短為一年，我們都會支持。
Mr CHAN Chi - chuens amendment proposes to shorten the minimum duration of cohabitation required for related person from two years to one year and we will also support it
四類"訂明申索人"包括"獲授權代表"。
The four categories of prescribed claimant include authorized representative
這可能比較容易接受，因為死者生前已經授權這人將來處理他的骨灰，有很清晰的同意和授權。
It can be more readily acceptable because the deceased has already authorized such a person to deal with his ashes when he is alive indicating a very clear agreement and authorization
第二類"訂明申索人"是"遺產代理人"或"親屬"。
The second category of prescribed claimant is personal representative or relative
而第三類就是，我們剛才說的"相關人士"。
And the third category is related person which we have just mentioned
張超雄議員提出的修正案關於"親屬"的定義。
Dr Fernando CHEUNGs amendment is about the definition of relative which is set out in Schedule 5 of the Bill
當然，話說回頭，我覺得張超雄議員的修正案其實只涉及"親屬"的定義，而不是"配偶"或"家庭"的定義。
Certainly then again I think Dr Fernando CHEUNGs amendment only involves the definition of relative not the definition of spouse or family
況且現在這項修正案也沒有把這些人定義為"配偶"或"家庭"，試問又怎會動搖到就好像周浩鼎議員所說般一夫一妻的核心家庭價 值？
Moreover the amendment does not define these people as spouse or family how will it rock―just as Mr Holden CHOW has suggested―the core family values of monogamy?
我認為這些其實也是不必要的恐懼，而恐懼的根源仍然是恐同的心理作用。
I consider this indeed unnecessary fear which stems from homophobia
當然，我亦明白有一些議員，基於個人宗教信仰、對《聖經》的解釋或個人的道德倫理操守，而對同性戀及同性戀者有不同的價值判斷。
Certainly I also understand that some Members out of their personal religious faith interpretation of the Bible or personal morals hold different value judgment on homosexuality and homosexuals
對於這項修正案，民主黨的議員會自由投票。
As regards this amendment Members of the Democratic Party will cast their votes freely
可是，在民主黨立法會黨團中，我可以說，絕大多數民主黨議員會支持張超雄議員的修正案，但我們也會容許大家自由投票。
However in the caucus of the Democratic Party I can say the absolute majority of Members will support Dr Fernando CHEUNGs amendment but we are allowed to vote freely
最近更有人提出郵輪龕場不是在陸地上原來竟然有人經營郵輪龕場，那是否需要向當局申請呢？
Recently cruise columbaria―not on land―have come into being . Indeed someone is running a cruise columbarium then does it require any application with the authorities?
我相信，通過《條例草案》後，政府仍要花很多時間處理現有私營龕場的領牌事宜，所以民主黨和我很希望這項《條例草案》能盡快獲得通過。
I believe after the passage of the Bill the Government still needs much time to deal with the licensing of the existing private columbaria and thus the Democratic Party and I really hope the Bill can be passed as soon as possible
我們支持政府的第一組修正案，亦會支持張超雄議員的修正案。
We support the Governments first group of amendments and also Dr Fernando CHEUNGs amendment
主席，黃碧雲議員剛才說得很清楚，我的修正案不牽涉重新撰寫"配偶"或"家庭"的定義，亦不牽涉婚姻。
Chairman as Dr Helena WONG has clearly pointed out my amendment does not involve redefining spouse or family nor does it involve marriage
主席，此項辯論令我想起2009年本會曾討論《家庭暴力條例》的修訂，該條例後來改稱為《家庭及同居關係暴力條例》。
Chairman this debate reminds me of the amendments to the Domestic Violence Ordinance DVO discussed by this Council in 2009
事實上，2004年至2008年我擔任議員期間，是《家庭暴力條例草案》法案委員會主席。
In fact I chaired the Bills Committee on Domestic Violence Amendment Bill when I was a Member in 2004 to 2008
當時修訂條例的主要目的，是擴闊條例的保障，因為當時家庭暴力中"家庭"的定義非常狹窄，而社會上發生了很多倫常慘劇，令家庭暴力引起廣泛關注，因此，政府願意修例，擴闊"家庭"的定義，但當中並未包括"同性同居伴侶"。
The main objective of the amendment was to expand the scope of protection of DVO as the definition of family in family violence was very narrow and occurrences of family tragedies in society had aroused extensive concern about domestic violence . Hence the Government agreed to introduce a legislative amendment to expand the definition of family although same - sex cohabitation partner was not included therein
然而，政府最後同意這類人士應該受到法例保障。
However the Government eventually agreed that such persons should be protected by law
根據當時的報道，梁美芬議員甚至曾經說，恐怕修例會牽起一夫多妻制及成年人與兒童發生性行為等討論。
It was reported that Dr Priscilla LEUNG said the amendment would even bring forth subjects such as polygamy and intercourse with children for discussion
我們真的難以想象，不過，這些都是她當年的言論。
It is hard to imagine but these were her remarks at the time
有否向同性婚姻"開綠燈"？
Has it given the green light to same - sex marriage?
條例最終真的加入了這一項，政府當年有膽量這樣做，認同家庭暴力可以發生在同性同居伴侶之間，若這條例不予以保障，對他們的保障不足，甚至可說歧視他們。
Back then the Government had the courage to include this relationship in DCRVO . It recognized that domestic violence can happen between same - sex cohabitation partners and that they would be afforded inadequate protection or even subjected to discrimination if they were not covered by DCRVO
聯合國國際人權公約、《香港人權法案條例》、法庭判例等均清楚說明，不得因為別人的不同性傾向而作出歧視，政府甚至編製了多謝陳志全議員說明《消除性傾向歧視僱傭實務守則》，不過政府本身不遵守，而且亦有判例顯示政府不遵守。
The United Nations International Bill of Human Rights the Hong Kong Bill of Rights Ordinance and court judgments have all made it clear that discrimination against people with different sexual orientation is not acceptable . The Government has even compiled the Code of Practice against Discrimination in Employment on the Ground of Sexual Orientation as explained by Mr CHAN Chi - chuen although the Government itself does not comply with it and there are court judgments that show to this effect
我提出這項修正案，正正不希望這類人士受到歧視。
I have proposed this amendment precisely to prevent these people from being discriminated against so please do not say that letting this amendment pass will destroy social morality
所以，答案相當清楚，我們只是希望盡量令保障範圍不會出現歧視的情況。
Therefore the answer is quite clear . All we want is pre - empting discrimination within the scope of protection
我不明白，在法理上亦完全不理解她為何會有此混淆。
I do not understand her confusion of jurisprudence
所以，我們會無奈地先支持政府的修正案。
Therefore we will reluctantly accept the Governments amendments
我亦想提醒建制派某些議員，世界正在改變，社會上越來越多人持守"不歧視不同性傾向人士"的核心價值。
I would also like to remind some Members of the pro - establishment camp that the world is changing and that more and more people are upholding the core value of non - discrimination against people with different sexual orientation
所以，建制派議員不應再守着咸豐年代的一套，以往有三妻四妾，清朝的婚姻制度與現行的法例亦差天共地。
Therefore Members of the pro - establishment camp should cease observing antiquated rules . People were allowed to have multiple wives and concubines in the past and the marriage institution of the Qing Dynasty also differed greatly from the existing law
梁美芬議員，你是否想發言？
Dr Priscilla LEUNG do you wish to speak?
主席，梁國雄議員無須動氣，他說了很多關於同性戀愛的問題。
Chairman Mr LEUNG Kwok - hung needs not be so angry . He has spoken at length on homosexuality
今天我們討論的議題是法律和社會價值觀。
The question of our discussion today is law and social values
同性戀曾幾何時的確是違反法律，但在今時今日不是。
There were times when homosexuality was indeed unlawful but it is no longer the case
今天，同性戀行為是自由的。
Nowadays people are free to engage in homosexual conduct
眾所周知，這個問題牽涉很多價值觀和信仰問題，是"雞與雞蛋"的問題，即使繼續說下去，花數十年亦未必可以改變彼此的看法。
As we all know this issue involves many other issues pertaining to values and conscience . It is a chicken - and - egg question . Even if we kept talking for decades we might still not change each others point of view
每個國家和地區都有其婚姻制度，問題是：我們認為是否需要遵從現有的婚姻法例？
Every country and region has its own marriage institution . The point is Do you consider it necessary to comply with the prevailing marital law?
現在再討論這個議題，感觸良多，因為去年審議《2016年醫生註冊條例草案》時出現"拉布"，令去年有機會進行辯論的議題，變成沒有機會討論。
We are overwhelmed with feelings and sentiments as this topic is now discussed again because of the filibusters staged during the examination of the Medical Registration Amendment Bill 2016 last year . As a result we lost the opportunity to discuss the question which should have been debated last year
但是，要討論的事，始終都要討論；要面對大家的不同，始終都要面對。
Nevertheless matters which warrant discussion must ultimately be discussed . Likewise Members have to face their differences
我覺得我們有努力做協調。
In my opinion we have made great efforts in coordination
反對同性婚姻的朋友是否完全接納加入"相關人士"呢？
Do people opposing same - sex marriage fully accept the addition of related person?
他們可能覺得加入"相關人士"是踏前了一步。
They might think that the addition of related person means a step forward
而在現行的法例內，如《致命意外條例》，亦有相同的概念，即"相關人士"定義為共同生活最少兩年。
Under the existing legislation such as the Fatal Accidents Ordinance there is a similar concept whereby related person is defined as a person who had lived with the deceased for at least two years
我知道陳志全議員建議把兩年縮短為一年，這就可能牽涉到與其他法例的一致性的問題。
I am aware that Mr CHAN Chi - chuen has proposed to change the period from two years to one year which might involve consistency with other legislation
我認為香港法例應該具備一致性。
In my opinion the laws of Hong Kong should be consistent
配偶、親屬和"相關人士"的定義應保持一致，這條法例規定一年，另一條法例年期就長一些，這樣是不合理的，對市民、法院都缺乏可預測性。
Likewise the definitions of spouse relative and related person should be consistent . It is unreasonable for the period stated in this piece of legislation to be one year and a bit longer in another piece of legislation for members of the public and the Courts will find it unpredictable
又或凡事都說行使酌情權，這樣只會令市民在某些問題上無所適從。
Or if it is said that discretion can be exercised in each and every case then it will only render the public at a loss as to what to do about dealing with certain issues
所以，踏前了這一步，如果大家都覺得可以接納的話，我認為大家不要再嘗試再進一步。
Since we have already taken a step forward if Members find it acceptable I think Members should stop attempting to take a further step
議會內也有同事向我反映，不想接納加入"相關人士"，而這個人並非我本人。
An Honourable colleague in this Council has also relayed to me a reluctance to accept the addition of related person and this colleague is not me
由此可見，不止梁美芬議員關心這個問題，很多議員都有一定的看法。
We can thus see that not only Priscilla LEUNG is concerned about this issue many Members also have their point of view
所以，若更改"相關人士"的定義，便更加觸碰到最具爭議的問題，即我所說親屬和配偶是從婚姻關係引申出來的一些定義，而這些定義是有法律影響的，可能是權利或義務。
Therefore if the definition of related person is changed the most controversial issue that is the definitions of relative and spouse derived from marital relations will inevitably be touched . Moreover these definitions carry legal implications and rights and obligations might be involved
所以，我認為最好保持現狀，我相信政府已作出努力，我們也作出努力。
This is why I consider it most preferable to maintain the status quo . I believe the Government has made an effort and so have we
在"親屬"以下的層面，應已能處理這個問題。
This issue can already be dealt with below the relative level
這項裁決讓我們看到一個令人十分憂慮的情況，而這種情況亦使這項裁決在社會上備受爭議，甚至可以說是引起軒然大波。
We can note from the ruling a grave concern which will make this ruling controversial or even stir up a big row in society
為甚麼會引起這麼大的爭議？
Why will such a heated controversy be caused?
在法例中訂明無效是甚麼意思呢？
What does it mean by being specified in the law to be void?
即它不具法律地位和不獲承認，條文規定年齡不足16歲或近親不得結婚等。
It refers to a marriage that does not have a legal status or is not recognized . For instance it is provided in the provisions that persons who are under the age of 16 or close relatives are not allowed to enter into a marriage
我以為在香港登記結婚，便是指"一男一女"、"一夫一妻"。
In my opinion a marriage registered in Hong Kong refers to a marriage of monogamy between one man and one woman
若某人在外國註冊了一段同性婚姻，但該婚姻在香港不獲承認，他可否在香港與一名異性註冊另一段婚姻？
If someone has registered a same - sex marriage overseas but the marriage is not recognized in Hong Kong can he register the marriage in Hong Kong for a second time with an opposite - sex person?
這位在外國註冊的同性婚姻的配偶，在香港可享受福利嗎？
Can the spouse of the same - sex marriage registered overseas enjoy benefits in Hong Kong?
在香港註冊"一夫一妻"、"一男一女"的配偶，亦可享受福利嗎？
Can a spouse registered in Hong Kong under a marriage of monogamy between one man and one woman enjoy benefits?
我想對各位議員說，我提出的修正案原本是由羅冠聰議員提出的。
I would like to tell Members that these amendments put forward by me are originally proposed by Mr Nathan LAW
在解釋我的修正案之前，我想先簡單說說我的修正案與其他修正案的分別。
Before I explain my amendments I would like to briefly account for the differences between my amendments and the other amendments
張超雄議員的修正案是4位議員之中最進取的。
Dr Fernando CHEUNGs amendment is the most aggressive of all the amendments proposed by the four Members
他把在海外註冊的配偶納入"親屬"的定義。
He proposed that the spouse in a relationship registered overseas be included in the definition of relative
我與羅冠聰議員均支持這項修正案。
Both Mr Nathan LAW and I support this amendment
不過，考慮到修改"親屬"的定義可能引起爭議，我們策略性地把海外註冊的伴侶加入"相關人士"的定義之中，以增加修正案獲得通過的機會。
But having considered that changing the definition of relative may arouse controversies we have strategically included a partner in a relationship registered overseas in the definition of related person in order for the amendment to stand a higher chance of passage
最後，陳志全議員、梁國雄議員與我均提出把"相關人士"的申索次序與"親屬"看齊。
Lastly Mr CHAN Chi - chuen Mr LEUNG Kwok - hung and I have proposed that related person be given the same order of priority of claim with relative
其後，在各方表述意見之後，政府改變其想法，提出加入"相關人士"這做法，令與死者同居兩年的人士可以成為申索人，但其申領次序則置於"遺產代理人"及"親屬"之後。
Subsequently after various parties had made their representations the Government changed its mind and proposed the addition of related person so that a person who had lived with the deceased for two years can become a claimant but with a lower priority of claim than personal representative and relative
雖然政府作出讓步，但有關的修訂仍然不足夠，這亦是我們提出修正案的主要原因。
Despite this concession made by the Government the amendment remains inadequate and this is also the main reason for us to propose our amendments
對於政府增設"相關人士"這類別，我們大致上是接受的。
We generally accept the addition of the category of related person by the Government
一來這項修訂對同居人士的定義較一些現行法例更為廣闊，例如參考《致命意外條例》與《家庭及同居關係暴力條例》作出修訂後，與死者同居多於兩年的室友也可享有申領骨灰的權利。
Firstly this amendment gives a broader definition of cohabitants than some existing ordinances . For instance after this amendment is introduced by making reference to the Fatal Accidents Ordinance and the Domestic and Cohabitation Relationships Violence Ordinance a roommate who has lived with the deceased for more than two years can have the right to claim the latters ashes
這較以前的法例有進步，因為最低限度，同居的同性伴侶也可以申領死者的骨灰。
This is some sort of progress compared to the past legislation as it at least enables same - sex cohabiting partners to claim the ashes of the deceased partner
由於香港未承認同性婚姻，這些人士首先已經被迫到海外註冊，繼而因工作關係而未能夠同住。
As same - sex marriage has yet gained recognition in Hong Kong these people are already forced to register overseas in the first place and then they cannot live together because of work
現時 政府的修正案沒有照顧這種情況下的人士的需要。
The amendments proposed by the Government now do not cater to the needs of people in this situation
那麼，我要問的是，如果我們不去照顧這種情況下的人士，其實這是否香港希望向世界各地展現的一種形象呢？
Such being the case I have to ask this If we do not take care of these people in this situation is this actually the kind of image that Hong Kong wishes to show to the rest of the world?
我記得較早前，當我們談到一些財金政策時，例如有關亞洲基礎設施投資銀行的辯論，很多同事均提出香港不能落後於人，而是要與其他世界大城市看齊，所以別人加入亞投行，香港也應該加入。
I remember that some time ago when we discussed some financial and monetary policies such as in the debate on the Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank AIIB many colleagues opined that Hong Kong must not lag behind others and that we have to be on a par with other major cities in the world . Therefore they said that when others have joined AIIB we should follow suit
然而，在參照其他地方在同性伴侶所享有的權利方面，我們又不用相同的尺來看看究竟香港離開世界大城市的一貫做法有多遠。
However when compared to other places in terms of the rights enjoyed by same - sex partners we do not apply the same standard to gauge how far exactly Hong Kong has deviated from the established practices of major cities worldwide
我們的修正案只是保障已在海外註冊的同性伴侶，令他們即使沒有在香港同居，也有申領伴侶骨灰的權利，只是申領骨灰的權利而已。
Our amendments serve only to protect same - sex partners who have registered overseas so that even though they do not live together in Hong Kong they will have the right to claim the ashes of their partners . It is just the right to claim the ashes and that is all
再者，香港中文大學性別研究中心曾就同性伴侶有權申領骨灰這議題進行調查，結果也有多達64%的受訪者支持。
Furthermore the Gender Research Centre of The Chinese University of Hong Kong has conducted a survey on the right of same - sex partners to claim the ashes of their partners . Findings showed that as many as 64 % of the interviewees supported it
所以，在這個具體問題上，我們看不到有很大分歧。
Therefore on this specific issue we do not see that there is a great divergence of opinions
我們提出修正案的原意是為張超雄議員"守尾門"。
Our original intention in proposing the amendments is to play a final gate - keeping role for Dr Fernando CHEUNG
最後，我很希望同事能夠了解，我們提出的這數項修正案主要有兩部分，第一是定義的問題。
Lastly I very much hope colleagues will understand that these several amendments proposed by me mainly consist of two parts . One is about definitions
如果"相關人士"不與"親屬"看齊，將會出現一些很荒謬的處境，那便是同住數十年的人竟然不及姨甥或"三姑六婆"等。
If related person is not on par with relative some absurd scenarios may arise in that a cohabitant for a few decades cannot even compare to the niece or nephew or some distant relatives
我覺得從關愛、從人情世故來看，現時在優先權上把定義很廣闊的"親屬"放在"相關人士"之上，是不恰當的做法，希望各位同事可以想想。
I think from a caring perspective and in consideration of the way of the world it is inappropriate for related person to be preceded by the broadly - defined relative in terms of the priority of claim . I hope Members can think about it
我在此要再次重申，修正案的目的是要讓亡者的骨灰獲得最好、最合適的安排。
Here I have to reiterate once again that the purpose of the amendments is to make the best and the most suitable arrangement for the ashes of the deceased
這個出發點與多位建制派議員所說的尊重、關懷等，其實並沒有分別。
This starting point is actually no different from the respect compassion and so on that a number of pro - establishment members have talked about
我謹此陳辭，就《私營骨灰安置所條例草案》提出修正案。
With these remarks I am proposing amendments to the Private Columbaria Bill
代理主席，首先，我要在此說清楚，在討論期間曾跟我談到是否想支持"相關人士"的人，一定不是周浩鼎議員，我一定沒有與他談過這問題。
Deputy Chairman first of all let me make it clear that it was definitely not Mr Holden CHOW who in the course of the discussion talked with me about whether or not to support the amendment concerning related person . I definitely did not discuss it with him
台灣不是好的例子。
Taiwan is not a good example
正如美國和加拿大，一旦更換領導，便要修改法例，例如這個州又要改回原來的樣子，於是錢便全部花在司法覆核上，一些州份打官司也打到窮。
As in the case of the United States or Canada with a change of leadership legislative amendments will have to be made and for instance in a certain State things have to go back to square one and at the end of the day all the money has to be spent on judicial review . Some States have become broke from their involvement in legal proceedings
至於香港的情況，我們有《基本法》，當然亦有"一國兩制"。
As for the situation in Hong Kong we have the Basic Law and certainly we have one country two systems
《基本法》第三十二條清楚訂明我們的宗教信仰自由受到保障；第二，中華人民共和國的婚姻法亦是一夫一妻、一男一女。
Article 32 of the Basic Law clearly provides for the protection of our freedom of religious belief . Second the Marriage Law of the Peoples Republic of China also upholds monogamy between one man and one woman
所以，我認為現時在"一國兩制"下，我們正在維護一個比較穩定的婚姻制度。
Therefore I think a more stable marriage institution is being upheld under one country two systems
大家可以有不同意見，因此，大家均設法在不同條例中提供一些保障，例如嘗試修改何謂同居關係的定義，而當年我們在制定與家庭及同居關係有關的法例時，大家就家庭的定義爭拗得很厲害，我們亦有參與有關的爭論，最終大家也是希望盡量令該條例通過，使有需要的人士得到條例的保護。
Members can hold different views and this is why we are trying to provide some protection in different ordinances by for instance trying to amend the definition of a cohabitation relationship . Back in those years when we enacted legislation relating to family and cohabitation relationships we argued fiercely on the definition of family . We had taken part in the debates and ultimately we all hoped that the legislation could be passed so that people in need would be afforded protection under this legislation
我想說清楚，有關4月28日的判決，對於局長剛才那些模棱兩可的說法，我感到非常不滿 意。
I wish to make it clear that concerning the Judgment made on 28 April I am most unhappy with those ambiguous remarks made by the Secretary just now
他提到"性別中立"，我不知道為何性別要用中立來形容。
He mentioned gender - neutral . I have no idea why gender is described as neutral
我們還注意到，現在有些廁所稱為"性別友善廁所"，這樣好像是說我們這些不認同的人便是"性別不友善"，所以我覺得要研究一下。
I have also noticed that some toilets are now referred to as gender - neutral toilets which seems to suggest that critics like us are gender - unfriendly . Therefore I think it is necessary to carry out some studies in this respect
所以，不應該在初審時便就這個極具爭議性的議題作出決定，而且有多少法律界人士是跨光譜的？
Therefore it is inappropriate to make a decision on this most controversial issue at the preliminary hearing . Moreover how many members of the legal profession straddle the spectrum?