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因此，我要再次向他們敬業樂業的精神致敬。
For this reason I must express my sincere admiration for their professionalism
我們過去批評特區政府想"陰乾"港台。
Some time ago we criticized the SAR Government saying that it wanted to dry up RTHK
" 事實上，在香港眾多政府部門中，港台是支持度和公信力最高的部門。
As a matter of fact among the various government departments in Hong Kong RTHK is the department with the highest support rating and credibility
特區政府理應珍惜，並思考如何提升港台的節目質素和服務。
The SAR Government should treasure it and think about ways to enhance its programme quality and services
要一如他們所說般修補撕裂和團結社會，一個有公信力的電台的確可以進行很多工作。
In order to mend the rift and unite the community as they have asserted a credible radio broadcaster can honestly do a lot
他們不應透過各方面的力量打壓港台，以為這樣便能夠達到政府的目的。
They should not suppress RTHK through various forces and think that this can fulfil the Governments intention . RTHKs performance in the past year commanded worldwide recognition
港台過去一年的表現獲得世界認同，在紐約電視節中，港台有多個節目取得優異獎，當中的"鏗鏘集：721元朗黑夜"，港台覓得珍貴的閉路電視片段，揭露警車即使多次巡經手持棍棒聚集的白衣人也沒有採取行動，令社會譁然，因此獲得公眾的掌聲。
In the New York Festivals RTHK was awarded the Finalist Certificate for its various programmes . One of the programmes is Hong Kong Connect 721 Yuen Long Nightmare . RTHK obtained some precious closed - circuit television footages revealing how the Police remained aloof during the few times when they drove a police patrol car past a number of assembled white - shirt gangsters with rods and poles in their hands very much to the bewilderment of the community
過去多個月來，港台獲得的支持遠高於投訴，節目收視率亦大幅提升。
This is the reason why this programme has won public applause . The support received by RTHK over all these months has outdone the complaints against it and the audience ratings of its programmes have likewise soared
談到收視率，有建制派議員批評港台節目收視率低。
When it comes to audience ratings certain pro - establishment Members have criticized RTHK saying that the audience ratings of its programmes have remained low
如是者，警察現時不斷針對港台，更有人控告梁家榮處長。
This explains why the Police now keep picking on RTHK and a lawsuit has even been brought against Director LEUNG Ka - wing
不過，大家可以想想，如果政府"陰乾"或打壓港台，以致港台變成言聽計從的電視台，變成香港央視，這對社會而言是利多於弊，還是會加劇社會撕裂呢？
But Members can come to think about this . If the Government dries up or suppresses RTHK with the result that RTHK turns into a subservient television broadcaster or a television broadcaster of the Central Authorities in Hong Kong will this do more good than harm to the community? . Or will this intensify social dissention instead?
如果政府廢掉港台的"武功"，廢掉這間具公信力的電台的"武 功"，那麼市民便只能透過其他網絡媒體接收時事資訊，以致有更多市民相信假消息。
If the Government strips RTHK of its functions strips this credible radio broadcaster of its functions then the public can only receive news on current affairs through other online media . As a result many more people may believe fake news . To say the very least peoples trust in RTHKs news reporting is very high so the Hong Kong Government should recognize its ability to unveil the truth and must not cut its resources
最低限度，大家對港台新聞報道的信任度非常高，因此香港政府應正視港台揭露真相的能力，不能削減其資源，反而應該增加預算開支，讓港台能夠製作更多偵查報道，監督各政府部門的運作，並按照港台的報道，查找政府部門的不足，這樣才能發揮鞭策政府的作用，從而重建市民對特區政府的信心。
On the contrary it should increase its estimated expenditure so that it can produce more investigative reports and monitor the operation of various government departments . The authorities should also identify the inadequacies of various government departments based on its reporting . Only all this can enable RTHK to perform the role of driving the Government to improve and in turn restore public confidence in the SAR Government
過去，我們在商營傳媒機構工作的人皆十分羨慕港台，或認為港台的製作較為奢侈，因為他們可以花上一年時間追蹤一個人，以製作一個1小時的專訪節目。
In the past those who worked for commercial media organizations like us were envious of RTHK . Or we would think that RTHKs productions were extravagant because they could spend a whole year following a person in order to produce a one - hour feature episode
就這方面，商營電視台真的難以仿效。
In this regard commercial television broadcasters are honestly unable to follow suit
我認為不應削減而應增加港台開支預算的另一個原因，是港台即使資源有限，亦採購了大量優質的節目。
Another reason why I think that RTHKs estimated expenditure should be increased rather than cut is that despite limited resources RTHK has been able to procure many quality programmes
我們不單應該給予港台資源採購更多優質節目，更應讓他們製作及出口優質節目。
We should not only provide RTHK with resources for procuring more quality programmes but also enable it to produce quality programmes and sell them overseas
我多年來否決財政預算案，今年踏入第八年，我仍然會投票否決預算案。
I have voted against the Budget for many years . Now entering the eighth year I will still do the same
過去我們否決預算案時，沒有人用過"攬炒"這個詞語，但今次否決預算案，或之前否決防疫抗疫基金時，卻被指是"攬炒"，或置香港市民的死活於不顧。
In the past when we voted against the Budget no one ever used the term mutual destruction . But this time when we were about to do so or previously when we voted against the Anti - epidemic Fund we were accused of pursuing mutual destruction or leaving Hong Kong people to sink or swim
我們說得很清楚，過去否決預算案或提出許多修正案，都是為了向政府施壓，因為不論政府交出一個如何不濟的預算案，建制派縱使發言時罵得七情上面，最終還是要投票贊成的，那麼政府便沒有任何誘因或壓力要做得更好。
We have made it very clear that we voted against the Budget or proposed many amendments in the past for the sole purpose of putting pressure on the Government because no matter how pathetic a Budget the Government might submit the pro - establishment camp would eventually vote for it even though they uttered harsh words with dramatic facial expressions during their speech and it followed that the Government had no incentive or felt no pressure to do better
如果政府明知我們會否決預算案仍交出一份這樣的預算案，想"攬炒"的就是政府。
If the Government submits such a Budget even though fully knowing that we will vote against it the Government is the one who wants mutual destruction
如果議員有興趣，可以提出一項議員議案進行辯論，我們屆時將可以詳細討論。
If Members are interested they can propose a Members motion for debate and we will then be able to discuss it in detail
現在的口水戰，我真的覺得十分無謂。
I find the ongoing war of words really pointless
我們的論述十分清楚，聽得懂、會接受的市民便會聆聽。
Our argument is very clear . Members of the public who can understand and accept it will listen to it
就是說，如果保皇黨和林鄭月娥政府一直冥頑不靈，絕不回應五大訴求，還想把政敵置諸死地，那麼我們有死的決心，但他們也不能獨善其身，要同歸於盡，就是這麼簡單。
That is to say if the royalists and the Government under Carrie LAM not just remain stubbornly and adamantly unresponsive to the Five Demands but also want to put their political rivals to death then we have the determination to die but they have to perish together instead of staying unscathed . It is that simple
主席，我回到"總目37―衞生署"。
Chairman let me get back to Head 37―Department of Health
今天有議員也提出過，真的十分奇怪，這份預算案是在2月擬備的，對嗎，司長？
As some Members have also mentioned today it is really very strange that this Budget was prepared in February was it not Secretary?
然而，肺炎疫情在2月已經爆發，為何衞生署綱領2的預防疾病開支，即2020-2021年度預算的74億8,500萬元，可以較去年度的75億9,700萬元還少了1億1,200萬元，這是否匪夷所思？
Nevertheless given that the pneumonia pandemic already broke out in February why is it possible that the estimate of expenditure under Programme 2 Disease Prevention of the Department of Health DH for 2020 - 2021 is 112 million less than last years figure ? . Is it beyond imagination?
這不是令人氣憤、令人費解嗎？
Is this not infuriating and unfathomable?
衞生署的整體開支是不應該削減的，但我曾思考過是否應該削減衞生署署長的薪酬開支。
The overall expenditure of DH should not but I have contemplated deducting the expenditure on the salary of Director of Health DoH
但有人問，現在是抗疫期間，還要削減衞生署人員薪酬開支？
However some people queried Should the expenditure on the salary of DH staff be deducted even amid the current fight against the epidemic?
有記者問衞生署署長陳漢儀應否在公開場合佩戴口罩，她竟然聲稱除非有病徵，一般來說在普通社交場合不需要佩戴口罩。
When asked by a reporter whether she should wear a mask in public DoH Dr Constance CHAN went so far as to claim that generally speaking she does not need to wear a mask in ordinary social occasions unless she has symptoms
不知道這是否特區政府受林鄭月娥早期的建議所影響，因為林鄭月娥曾說過，如果同事不需要戴口罩而戴上，即使戴上了也要脫下來。
I am not sure whether the SAR Government has been influenced by Carrie LAMs early suggestion as Carrie LAM did say that colleagues had to take their mask off even if they had put it on unnecessarily
這是十分涼薄的說話。
That was a very callous remark
談到佩戴口罩，我想說，我知道最近大家開始有點鬆懈，可能覺得自己附近沒有人便可以不戴口罩，或有議員覺得稍後將會發言，如不會影響鄰座同事便不戴口罩了。
Speaking of wearing masks I would like to say that as I know recently the public have begun to let their guard down a little bit . Maybe they think it is fine to go without a mask when there is nobody around them . Some Members may think that if they will not affect the colleagues next to them there is no need to wear a mask when they speak later
但我想指出，戴口罩不單是自我保護，其實亦有示範作用，是向公眾發放一個信息或信號，就是你想香港人繼續戴口罩，還是思考除下？
But I would like to point out that wearing a mask is not only for self - protection but in fact also has a demonstration effect in the sense that it sends a message or signal to the public about your wish that Hong Kong people contemplate whether they should continue to wear masks or take them off
我不是要冒犯主席，我知道主席整天戴上口罩，悶得很辛苦；他附近沒有人，即使噴口水，也不影響人，可以不戴。
I do not mean to offend Chairman but I know that with a mask on all day you are suffering from suffocation . As there is nobody around you spraying of spittle if happens at all will not affect others hence no need for you to wear a mask
保安局局長，請繼續發言。
Secretary for Security please continue with your speech
在這個環節，我們就42個沒有修正案的總目款項進行辯論，我想就香港電台的部分簡單說一說我的看法。
In this session the debate will focus on the 42 heads with no amendment . I wish to briefly comment on the part concerning Radio Television Hong Kong RTHK
我認為這是現時整個新聞媒體，以至香港娛樂產業走向衰敗、式微的主因。
In my opinion this is the main reason why the entire news media and the entertainment industry in Hong Kong fail and decline
特區政府在發牌制度上透過政治審查、政治審判，令電視、大氣電波或電台的發展也失卻了過去的自由度和自由創作的空間。
The SAR Government politically scrutinizes television broadcasters and airwaves or radio broadcasters through the licensing system . As a result they no longer enjoy the freedom in development and the freedom of creation they used to enjoy
所以，我的結論是，如果弄死了港台，只會進一步斷送香港的文化創意或傳媒工作的生態。
So my conclusion is that if RTHK is crushed the ecology of the cultural and creative industries or the work of the media will be further jeopardized
至於有關標準是否"官字兩個口"，我認為無謂再作爭論。
I think it is meaningless to argue whether there is a double standard . Chairman let me use a simple example for comparison
就着警官會所一事，陳淑莊議員剛才的發言只是從行政或公共政策上作出評價，如果我站在建制派我並非建制派的角度評價，其實這個處理手法也是政治不正確的。
Just now Ms Tanya CHAN only spoke from the administrative or public policy perspective when she commented on the Police Officers Club . I am not a pro - establishment Member but if I were to speak from their perspective I would say that the approach taken is also politically incorrect
警官會所是殖民遺風下的陋習，警隊怎可能擁有一個皇家俱樂部呢？
The existence of the Police Officers Club is a corrupt custom from the colonial era . How come the Police Force is allowed to have a royal club?
這個皇家俱樂部在1997年前遺留下來，與其他紀律部隊的待遇不相稱，容許警官在那裏喝紅酒、看煙花、燒烤、玩草地滾球和打高爾夫球。
This royal club is a pre - 1997 legacy . This practice is inconsistent with those of other disciplined services . The club is a place where police officers can drink wine watch fireworks have barbecue and play lawn bowl or golf
在1997年後，政府完全沒有處理關於殖民地的問題，後來因為沙中綫要經過那地點，賠償金額便由3億元升至6億元。
After 1997 the Government has not dealt with these colonial problems . Subsequently because of the route of the Shatin to Central Link which will pass through that location the club will be reprovisioned and the cost of which has escalated from 300 million to 600 million
主席，總的來說，如果我是財政司司長，老實說，我會收回這份財政預算案，因為我認為我所花的錢無法幫助現時的香港社會。
Chairman on the whole if I were the Financial Secretary frankly I would withdraw this Budget because I did not think the money to be spent could help the Hong Kong society now
我當時表示有點無奈，但其實我是有些方向的，我希望羅致光局長會加以考慮。
I expressed resignation at that time but actually I did have some direction . I hope Secretary Dr LAW Chi - kwong will consider my idea
主席，我相信你作為一名商人也會理解，香港現時面對的情況，就是上、中、下的階級也無以為生。
Chairman I believe you can understand the reason because you are a businessman . In the present state of Hong Kong the top middle and bottom echelons have no means to get by
在過去20年，這是殺死香港本地中小企經濟，甚或地區經濟的原因。
In the past 20 years this is the cause that has stifled the local SME economy in Hong Kong or even the regional economy
當中的邏輯很簡單，就是在1990年代，1997年前，英國殖民政府要作最後收割，於是它不斷變賣我們的公共資產，導致社區裏大家都無以為生。
The logic therein is simple . In the 1990s before 1997 the British Colonial Government wanted to reap its last harvest . It thus kept selling our public properties and people had nothing to get by
主席，這個問題不是行業"走法律罅"的問題，而是因為1990年代中到現在，香港政府只懂以新自由主義和新管理主義作為施政方針，所有經營空間都被發牌制度和註冊制度扼殺。
Chairman the problem is not about the sector taking advantage of a legal loophole . But rather it is about the Hong Kong Governments bigotry of adopting neoliberalism and neo - managerialism as its administrative principle since the mid - 1990s . The licensing system and registration system have taken away the room for these trades to operate
所以，如果我是財政司司長，我會嘗試復興本地經濟。
So if I were the Financial Secretary I will try to revive the local economy
簡化牌照申請制度，這一點張宇人議員經常掛在嘴邊，但重點不是減省牌照申請手續，而是改變整個施政的意識形態。
Mr Tommy CHEUNG often says that the licence application system should be simplified . But the point is not streamlining the licence application procedures but changing the whole mentality of the administration
主席，在預算案中，政府仍沿用舊有思維來考慮是否發牌。
Chairman in the context of the Budget the Government still uses the old mentality in licensing
為甚麼媒體生態會死亡？
Why does the ecology of the media die?
港台的情況也一樣，政府用行政來扼殺港台，結果香港的傳媒創意產業變成一潭死水。
The same is true for RTHK . The Government uses the same approach to suppress RTHK thus turning the media and the creative industry into a pool of stagnant water
所以，請香港特別行政區的官員好好準備，貧窮情況下的香港，才是他們將要面對的政治危機。
Hence public officers of the Hong Kong SAR they had better prepare well for it . Hong Kong in poverty is the political crisis they will have to face
過往，很少議員會在預算案辯論中提到法庭、司法機構，亦很少在立法機關的議事廳上公開批評法庭或談論法庭的運作等事宜。
In the past very few Members would mention the Court and the Judiciary during Budget debates . It was also seldom for Members to make open criticisms of the Court or to discuss matters such as the operation of the Court
大家過往都相信香港是司法獨立，大家都有一種自覺，盡量不去干預法庭的運作。
We have been holding the belief that Hong Kong has judicial independence and we thus have the awareness that we should refrain from interfering in the operation of the Court
作為民意代表，我們希望說出一些意見讓公眾深思，亦希望司法機構會考慮部分意見，收到我們表達的信息，有則改之。
As representatives of public opinions we wish to express some views for the public to reflect on and we also hope that the Judiciary will get the message conveyed by us and consider some of our views as appropriate
稍後，我想與大家分享一下我曾在財務委員會審核預算案的特別會議上提出的一些問題，以及司法機構的答覆，好讓大家看看這些憂慮是否有值得我們深思的地方。
A moment later I wish to share with Members some questions that I raised during the examination of the Budget at the special Finance Committee FC meetings and the replies given by the Judiciary so that Members may consider whether these concerns warrant our deliberation
我問司法機構，究竟警方申請搜查令進入處所及查看手提電話簡而言之，即是破門入屋這些個案究竟有多少宗，司法機構表示未能提供。
I asked the Judiciary about the number of cases where search warrants applied by the Police for entering premises and inspecting mobile phones―in a few words that means breaking into the premises―were granted the Judiciary replied that it was unable to provide the information
就已進行的死因研訊即已由病理學家研究死因的案件我查詢病理學家未能確定死因的案件數字，司法機構都未能提供。
For my question about the number of cases into which death inquests were held―that means cases for which pathologists examined the causes of death―and pathologists were unable to determine a cause of death the Judiciary again replied that it was unable to provide the information
我認為比較過分的一點，就是當我問到區域法院及最低級的裁判法院，每名裁判官及法官一年審理的案件數目時，司法機構居然亦未能提供。
What was fairly outrageous to me was that the Judiciary could not even provide an answer to my question about the number of cases handled by each judge in the District Court and each magistrate in the lowest level of courts the Magistrates Courts
這些數字是量度香港能否守得住法治的指標。所以，如果......
These figures serve as indicators measuring Hong Kongs ability to uphold the rule of law
我想說的重點，就是我們作為立法者、負責審批這項撥款的立法機構成員，我們看不到法庭有為這些牽涉人權、公民及政治權利的案件把關。
If it cannot even do it I am worried that The point I wish to make is that we are legislators members of the legislature which is responsible for examining this funding proposal and we have not seen the Court acting as a gatekeeper in these cases which involved human rights and civil and political rights
這個正正是香港市民很擔心的地方。
This is exactly what worries Hong Kong people
很簡單，如果這些......在"反送中"運動中，警方濫捕、濫告是人所共知的事，而且無日無之，每天都在發生。
Simply put if these It is a well - known fact that the Police has made arbitrary arrests and initiated arbitrary prosecutions during the anti - extradition to China movement and this is something that happens every day with no end in sight
法官會否下令作出調查呢？
Will the judges concerned order an investigation into the complaints?
我們所以會擔心，是因為看到全世界的專制政權、暴政、極權往往向法庭伸出無形之手，透過不同方式影響法庭的運作。
We are worried because we can see that the autocratic despotic authoritarian regimes around the world always extend their invisible hands to the Court to influence its operation through different ways
本來在《基本法》下有三權分立的設定，但法庭是否不受干預、獨立運作呢？
While the setting of separation of powers is supposedly available under the Basic Law will the Court really be free from any interference and operate independently?
所以，整個司法機構中，特別是處理政務的人員，他們是否有這種要守着法庭的自覺，使法庭不受專制政權干預和入侵呢？
So among the staff of the Judiciary particularly those handling its administration do they have the awareness to defend the Court against the interference and intrusion of the autocratic regime?
當然，我不會把結論推得很遠，說法庭已十分腐敗、極之偏頗、被利用等，我不會推到這麼遠，但如果我們連這種自覺也沒有......
Of course I will not draw a far - fetched conclusion saying that the Court is already very corrupt grossly biased being manipulated and so on . I will not go that far
大家過往神化了司法機構和法官的判決，但其實大家都知道，法官是有血有肉的人，司法機構是按法律制度運作。
We have previously over - deified the Judiciary and the judgments made by judges though we actually know that judges are human beings of flesh and blood and the Judiciary operates under the legal system
當這個制度跟民情出現巨大偏差時，市民是否仍然能夠循這個途徑爭取公義呢？
When this system falls far short of public expectations will people still be able to seek justice through this avenue?
如果市民再也不 相信法律，並且對法庭感到越來越憂心，香港便會跌入一個更危險的境地。
If people do not believe in the legal system anymore and become increasingly concerned about the position of the Court Hong Kong will then fall into a more perilous situation
對司法機構而言，我們立法會的角色是審批預算案中提出的撥款要求，以及稍後批准終審法院首席大法官的任命。
From the Judiciarys point of view the role of the Legislative Council is to examine the funding proposal in the Budget and to approve the appointment of the Chief Justice of the Court of Final Appeal later on
在這個時間......在這個暴政打壓市民自由的大時代中，我認為我們應該問得更多。
At this time in the midst of this era when peoples freedom is suppressed by the despotic regime I think we should ask more questions
我問司法機構在憲制下的角色，究竟是制衡抑或配合政府呢？
That question was whether the constitutional role of the Judiciary ie . the Court was one of keeping a check and balance on the Government or complementing the Government
很可惜，我以為律政司司長是所謂捍衞法治的第一人，但其實她是破壞法治的第一人。
Regrettably the Secretary for Justice whom I considered to be the so - called foremost defender of the rule of law is actually the foremost destroyer of the rule of law
司法機構政務長如何回答這條問題呢？
How about the Judiciary Administrator who also replied to this question?
鄭若驊只是回答說："許議員，香港法庭沒有你所說的職能，沒有制衡政府的職能。
Their respective replies are as follow Teresa CHENG just replied Mr HUI the Court of Hong Kong does not have the function that you mentioned ie . the function of keeping a check and balance on the Government
至於司法機構政務長，她則避開我的問題，沒有回答。
As for the Judiciary Administrator she evaded my question without providing an answer
我希望大家可以藉着我的觀察，對預算案向司法機構的撥款和司法機構的運作有多一層深思和體會。
I hope that Members will have a deeper reflection and understanding about the funding allocated to the Judiciary in the Budget and the operation of the Judiciary based on my observation
在這個環節中有意發言的委員，尤其是尚未發言的委員，請盡早按下"要求發言"按鈕。
Members who wish to speak in this session in particular those who have not yet spoken please press the Request to speak button as early as possible
主席，陸頌雄議員引述我們的民調，但他發言的內容不盡不實，因為他根本沒有弄清楚民調內容的次序，就自行編造一個次序，說我們誤導。
President Mr LUK Chung - hung has cited our opinion poll . But what he said is not truthful because without first ascertaining the actual ordering of questions in the opinion poll he simply fabricated an ordering of questions in the questionnaire and then accused us of misleading the public
民調的第一條是"你是否支持政府提出的一地兩檢方案？
The first question of our opinion poll was Do you support the co - location arrangement of the Government?
"我想請問陸頌雄議員，這樣的提述有哪個地方誤導、不中立？
Which part of this question is misleading and not neutral may I ask Mr LUK Chung - hung?
然後，我們由此作基礎，引申其他查問，這是很正常的民調方法。
Then based on this question further questions were derived and asked . This is a very normal survey methodology so I must ask Mr LUK Chung - hung not to smear others when discussing such surveys
回到此項討論，我的發言是支持毛孟靜議員的中止待續議案。
Let me return to the motion debate now . I speak in support of Ms Claudia MOs adjournment motion
主席，大家想想，政府今次所提出的做法，是關於"有關推展廣深港高速鐵路西九龍站'一地兩檢'安排的後續工作的議案"，而背景關於甚麼呢？
President Members may remind themselves that the Government has put forward a motion entitled Taking forward the follow - up tasks of the co - location arrangement at the West Kowloon Station of the Guangzhou - Shenzhen - Hong Kong Express Rail Link . And what are the background circumstances leading up to this motion?
但是，如果大家還記得的話，在處理高鐵超支延誤的時候，席上所有同事在鐵路事宜小組委員會或相關的調查小組也好，均曾不斷追問時任運輸及房屋局局長張炳良，究竟"一地兩檢"方案的安排是怎樣？
But we can actually recall that when the Subcommittee on Matters Relating to Railways or other relevant inquiry groups held their meetings on the cost overruns and delays of the Express Rail Link XRL project the Members present all kept asking Prof Anthony CHEUNG then Secretary for Transport and Housing to tell them the progress of making co - location clearance arrangements
我複述基本法委員會委員饒戈平在6月17日的說話，他當時預計"一地兩檢"安排會參考深圳灣先例，不過內地官員執法權或只限於技術範圍及特定區域，例如邊檢、安檢，香港人無須"自己嚇自己"。
And let me also quote the words said on 17 June by RAO Geping a member of HKSAR Basic Law Committee . He foresaw that co - location clearance at West Kowloon Station would draw on the precedent case in Shenzhen Bay Port but Mainland personnels law enforcement powers would probably be restricted to a specific site and technical matters such as immigration and security checks . He asked Hong Kong people not to be over - worried
6月18日，運輸及房屋局局長表示，西九龍站"一地兩檢"仍未有具體方案，不過相信方案只涉及內地人員在西九龍站進行清關工作。
On 18 June the then Secretary for Transport and Housing was still saying that there was not yet any specific proposal for co - location clearance at West Kowloon Station but the eventual proposal would likely confine Mainland personnel to the discharge of immigration and customs clearance duties inside the Station only
這兩個例子說明在6月30日之前，特區政府仍然未公布西九龍站"一地兩檢"方案讓公眾進行討論，現時又如何談得上已經有詳細討論呢？
These two cases can show that before 30 June the SAR Government was yet to announce a co - location proposal at West Kowloon Station for public discussion . So how can the Government now claim that there have been thorough discussions on its present proposal?
事實上，這兩個例子很清楚指出，儘管政府有意向，但當局還是向公眾表達，意思是要市民不用害怕，即使這樣也好，所說的只是邊檢、安檢等問題，是與清關有關的實際需要，絕對不是政府今天所說，要賦予內地口岸區執法人員擁有全面刑事執法權，說兩者絕對不同。
In fact the two cases show clearly that even if the Government might already have some sort of intention at that time the only thing it actually did was just to tell the public that even when co - location clearance was implemented the arrangement would only be about actual operational issues like immigration and security checks and clearance so people did not need to worry . In other words in any case it was never said that the eventual arrangement would be something like the Governments present proposal which gives law enforcement personnel in the Mainland Port Area full criminal jurisdiction . The two scenarios are entirely different
這當然牽涉到實質經濟效益的考慮，但這是有代價的，就如袁國強司長所說，我們要通過《基本法》第二十條的過程，把香港西九龍總站地庫的其中兩層視為內地口岸區，然後讓中央政府通過全國人民代表大會常務委員會的決定，讓全國性法律可以在香港視為內地口岸區的地方實施，以執行相關的內地法例。
This claim is about the factor of actual economic efficiency but we must pay a price for such economic efficiency . As Secretary for Justice Rimsky YUEN has pointed out we must first invoke the power vested with us under Article 20 of the Basic Law to designate and regard two basement levels at West Kowloon Station as the Mainland Port Area . Then with a decision of the Standing Committee of the National Peoples Congress NPCSC the Central Government can proceed to apply national laws and relevant Mainland laws in the area deemed to be within the Mainland Port Area located in Hong Kong