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這種期望《條例草案》盡快通過的說法，我們一直在這議會內聽到，直至這兩天，政府突然說要在今次會議提出休會待續議案。
We have all along heard in this Council the expectation of the Government to pass the Bill expeditiously . Yet two days ago the Government suddenly announced that it would move an adjournment motion at this meeting
昨天，政府當局和法案委員會主席黃定光議員在議會上說，因為這是一項"先訂立後審議"的法例，將之押後不會有太大影響，但影響真的不大嗎？
Yesterday government official and Chairman of the Bills Committee Mr WONG Ting - kwong said at the Council meeting that since the Bill was subject to negative vetting postponing the scrutiny would not have much effect . Is that true?
我們民主派議員都認為這是合理的做法，因此表示會支持由建制派周浩鼎議員、民主派涂謹申議員和政府提出的所有修正案，包括豁免地產代理免除不應負的法律責任，以避免無辜被稅務局追收印花稅。
We Members from the pro - democratic camp consider the amendments acceptable and thus give our support to all the amendments proposed by Mr Holden CHOW of the pro - establishment camp Mr James TO of the pro - democracy camp and the Government including exempting estates agents from bearing unnecessary legal responsibility so that they would be spared from being innocently targeted by the Inland Revenue Department over the recovery of stamp duty
如果《條例草案》今天獲得通過，地產代理便可以即時受惠，所以這是民生問題。
If the Bill is passed today estate agents can benefit instantly . It is therefore a livelihood issue
為何民生問題今天變得不甚重要？
How come livelihood issues become not important today?
我們已經有共識，要通過這項《條例草案》沒有太大難度，只需要作最後一輪討論便可以完成立法，為何政府不惜花時間改變既定的議會程序和安排，突然提出這項無經預告的休會待續議案，說要騰出更多議會時間，以盡快處理特首林鄭月娥公開說要在下星期在立法會提出"一地兩檢"的議案？
As we have already reached a consensus it will not be too difficult to have the Bill passed . After a final round of discussion the legislative process can be completed . How come the Government spared no effort to change the established proceedings and arrangements of the Council meeting and suddenly moved without notice an adjournment motion so as to make available more meeting time to promptly deal with the motion on the co - location arrangement to be moved next week in the Legislative Council as openly stated by Chief Executive Carrie LAM
這種做法其實是在發放甚麼信息？
What kind of message will thus be conveyed?
拖延《條例草案》生效有何影響？
What will be the impact of procrastinating the implementation of the Bill?
第一，在上次審議"雙倍印花稅"法案時，曾有地產界人士估計，當時累積超過10億元稅款暫存於不同的律師行，《條例草案》越遲正式生效，這些稅款越遲回歸政府庫房，這點大家都清楚。
First during the scrutiny of the bill on DSD some members of the property sector estimated that the amount of stamp duty temporarily kept in law firms has accumulated to over 1 billion . Any delay in the formal commencement of the Bill will affect the return of the tax to the Treasury . We all know this clearly
舉例而言，若有曾負責處理有關買賣的律師行結業，他們本來要繳回政府的稅款便可能會出現問題，政府如何追討？
For instance in case a law firm which handles property transactions has ceased business problems may arise with regard to returning the tax collected to the Government . How should the Government recover the money?
如果政府不讓《條例草案》盡快通過，只會增加律師行的壓力和買家的風險。
If the Government does not arrange the expeditious passage of the Bill the pressure on law firms will increase and buyers have to bear higher risks
第二，《條例草案》何時才再排期交付議會討論？
Second when will the Bill be rescheduled for discussion by the Council?
政府沒有說清楚，只說會盡快，是下一次會議，還是下一個月的會議？
The Government has not stated clearly it only said that the Bill would be submitted again as soon as possible . Does it mean the next meeting or a meeting in the next month?
沒有人可以說清楚。
No one can say for sure
第三，這種做法向市場發放了甚麼信息？
Third what kind of message is sent to the market by such an act?
政府說要打擊私人樓宇的樓價，但原來當局可以因為一個政治議題，擱置一項涉及10億元或以上金額的民生議題。
The Government claimed that it has to suppress private property prices; but it turns out that it can shelve a livelihood issue involving 1 billion or above to make way for a political issue
市場會如何理解這個舉動？
How would the market interpret such a move?
不過，當時建制派議員表示不接受。
However at that time pro - establishment Members did not render support
李慧琼議員當時批評有議員濫用議會程序和《議事規則》，對此感到非常憤怒和遺憾。
At that time Ms Starry LEE criticized Members for abusing Council proceedings and the Rules of Procedure RoP; she expressed anger and regret in this regard
當時的政務司司長張建宗更表示，印花稅是重要議題，而議員調動議程的要求很急，認為議員下次應該提早與政府溝通，政府會再考慮，但現時會議議程已經編排好，如果政府撤回《條例草案》，或會給予市場錯誤信息。
The then Chief Secretary for Administration Matthew CHEUNG said that stamp duty was an important issue and Members request to rearrange the order of agenda items was too rush . He opined that Members should communicate with the Government in advance next time so that the Government might reconsider the request . Moreover since the agenda of the meeting had been finalized if the Government withdrew the Bill it might send a wrong message to the market
問題是，為何3個月前民主黨議員提出類似做法，建制派議員強烈批評我們濫用議會程序和《議事規則》，因而感到非常憤怒和遺憾，但今天由政府提出便沒有問題？
The point is three months ago when Members from the Democratic Party made a similar request to rearrange the agenda items the pro - establishment Members strongly criticized us for abusing Council proceedings and RoP and thus expressed anger and regret; but how come it is not a problem for the Government to make the same request today?
為何3個月前政府說印花稅是重要議題，議程已經編排好了，調動議程的要求要早點提出來才可以商量，但今天政府又可以無經預告提出這項休會待續議案？
Three months ago the Government said that stamp duty was an important issue and that consideration would only be given if the request to rearrange the agenda items was made earlier as the order of business for the meeting was already set; why then can the Government now move without notice an adjournment motion?
第五，同樣重要的是，立法會會議議程的編排是有原則的。
Fifth and equally important there are principles behind the arrangement of items of business on the agenda of the Legislative Council
大家都知道，我們的做法，是先審議有約束力的法案，然後才審議沒約束力的議案。
As known to all we scrutinize bills with binding effect first to be followed by motions with no binding effect
這個原則其實顯示有約束力及法律效力的議項必須先行處理，沒約束力及法律效力的應該排在後，以體現正常的先後次序。
Actually under this principle binding motions with legislative effect should first be dealt with whereas non - binding motions with no legislative effect should be dealt with later so as to reflect the normal order of priority
現在，政府人為地擾亂這個既有傳統和程序，抽起有法律效力的法案，以讓路給沒法律效力的議案。
Now the Government artificially disturbs this established convention and procedure . It withdraws a bill with legal effect to give way to a motion with no legal effect
第六，可能有議員會反駁，說政府的做法其實並非第一次，所以不能說是濫用權力，最少今次不是第一次，既有先例可援，所以今次 不是濫用權力，是可以接受的。
Sixth some Members may refute that this act of the Government is not unprecedented thus we cannot accuse the Government of abusing power . At least this is not the first time that the Government took this action . Since there is a precedent the Government has not abused its power and therefore its move is acceptable
事實上亦可以這樣說，因為我們翻查紀錄，政府不是第一次提出這樣的休會待續議案，17年前政府也曾就一項關於《建築物條例》的法案，在全體委員會審議階段提出休會待續議案。
As a matter of fact this saying is right because after looking up the record we found that this is not the first time that the Government moved such an adjournment motion . Some Members also mentioned this point yesterday . Seventeen years ago the Government did move an adjournment motion at the Committee stage in respect of the Buildings Ordinance
如果讓修正案遭否決，有違當時的實際情況。
If permission was given to negative the amendments it would be against the actual situation back then
基於這前提，政府才不得不提出休會待續議案，以避免法案生效而導致社會出現不穩及法例偏差的情況。
On this premise the Government had to move an adjournment motion so as to prevent social instability and legal discrepancy resulted from the commencement of the bill
所以，當時的做法我們覺得是情有可原。
Therefore we find the practice acceptable at that time
但是，今次的情況不一樣，甚至可說是相反。
However this time the situation is different or even contrary to what happened then
今次的《條例草案》直到討論階段其實都相當順利，本來有條件盡快生效。
Actually the scrutiny of the Bill had been going on rather smoothly through the discussion stage and it could have been passed very soon
然而，因為政府要讓路給"一地兩檢"這項政治議案，便犧牲了這項本來可以盡快通過以打擊樓市及有利民生的《條例草案》。
Nevertheless in order to give way to the political motion on the co - location arrangement the Government sacrificed the current Bill which could originally be passed as soon as possible to curb the property market and bring benefits to people
所以，如果說這樣不是本末倒置、破壞程序及濫用權力，還可以是甚麼？
Hence how can we say that this is not putting the cart before the horse disrupting Council proceedings and abusing powers?
最重要的是，我認為政府今次的做法完全不尊重立法會既有的議會文化。
Most importantly I consider the Governments a total disrespect for the established parliamentary culture of the Legislative Council
說得更嚴重些，我認為政府的做法是喧賓奪主，極不尊重議會的傳統及我們在座全體議員。
To put it more seriously I think the Government usurps the hosts role in this Council disrespecting the convention of the Council and all Members
剛才我說到當時的政務司司長張建宗亦公開說過，認為如果要調動議程，議員便應該提早與政府溝通；但現時政府要調動議程，卻不用溝通便提出休會待續議案，連正式的通知期也沒有，只是早一天公布了便算，這不是濫用權力、濫盡議會程序嗎？
Just now I mentioned that the then Chief Secretary Matthew CHEUNG said openly that Members should communicate with the Government in advance if they wanted to rearrange the order of agenda items; but now when the Government wants to rearrange the order of agenda items it merely moves an adjournment motion without communicating with Members . It did not even give a formal notification but just made an announcement one day in advance . Is it not abusing powers and abusing Council proceedings?
政府調動議程不用與議員溝通，議員要求作出調動卻必須與政府預先溝通。
While the Government needs not communicate with Members for rearranging the order of agenda items Members have to communicate with the Government for rearranging the order of agenda items
當時，張建宗說會議議程已經編排好，不適宜隨便改動。
Back then Matthew CHEUNG said that the order of business at the meeting was set and it was not suitable to make changes
難道由議員提出就不可以隨便改動，但政府提出的便可以嗎？
Is it that changes proposed by Members cannot be made casually while changes requested by the Government are readily acceptable?
政府如果認為有其他更重要的事項，就連我們在討論中的法案也不用理會其效力或急切性，便粗暴地中止議員的討論，這不是對議員不尊重的表現嗎？
If the Government considers some issues more important and thus abruptly adjourns Members discussion on a Bill with legal effect and has great urgency is it not a disrespect for Members?
代理主席，立法會由議員組成，議員才是這個議會的主人翁，官員很大程度上只是列席會議。
Deputy Chairman the Legislative Council is formed by Members hence we are actually masters of this Council . Government officials to a large extent are sitting in attendance only
官員現在這樣突然中止議員審議《條例草案》，又沒有合理的理由，不是喧賓奪主嗎？
Now government officials adjourn Members discussion on the Bill abruptly without reasonable justification are they not usurping the hosts role in this Council?
政府已經擁有憲制的權力，立法會的議程一向都是政府的議案先行，已是擁有絕對的優勢。
The Government already has the constitutional powers . Government motions are always placed on top position on the agenda of the Legislative Council implying an absolute advantage
現在這樣做，大家都知道其目的就是要讓立法會通過"一地兩檢"的議案，不惜破壞既有的傳統，製造立法會同意方案的信息。
We all know that the Government intends to make the Legislative Council pass the motion on the co - location arrangement . It has violated the established convention to create a picture that the Legislative Council endorsed the co - location proposal
上次民主黨的議員只是想提出更改議程，建制派議員便已說感到憤怒；現在政府真正改變程序，不是更值得建制派的同事感到憤怒嗎？
Last time Members from the Democratic Party only expressed the wish to rearrange the order of agenda items yet pro - establishment Members said they were furious . This time the Government has actually made the change shouldnt pro - establishment Members be even more furious?
代理主席，我首先要表明我的立場。
Deputy Chairman first of all I would like to state my position
對高鐵通車來說，這是一個絕對重要的決定。
This is absolutely an important decision for the commissioning of XRL
鑒於反對派明言要拉倒"一地兩檢"，今天這場較量是正常的。
As opposition Members have made it clear that they will bog down the co - location arrangement the battle today is nothing surprising
不過，我要指出，反對派這樣做是枉作小人。
However I must point out that opposition Members are making vain efforts
他們經常說政治重要；在特首早前來到立法會出席答問會時，他們要求特首盡快重啟政改。
They often highlight the importance of politics; hence they asked the Chief Executive at the Question and Answer Session to reactivate the constitutional reform as soon as possible
但是，今次卻突然說民生重要。
Yet today they suddenly say that peoples livelihood is important
局長，他們說今天一定要討論民生議題，因為民生比所謂無約束力的議案重要。
Secretary they insist on discussing livelihood issues today for livelihood issue is more important than a so - called non - binding motion
他們提出了很多論點，指責政府把無約束力的議案看得比有約束力的議案重要。
They have raised various arguments accusing the Government of treating a non - binding motion more important than a binding motion
正如張國鈞議員剛才指出，我們今天仍要討論《條例草案》，是因為涂謹申議員和黃碧雲議員兩位在休會前"拉布"。
As pointed out by Mr CHEUNG Kwok - kwan just now we still have to discuss the Bill today because Mr James TO and Dr Helena WONG filibustered before the summer recess of the Council
為何他們今天又說自己很為民生着想？
Why do they say today that they are concerned about peoples livelihood?
"一地兩檢"十分重要，有六成多市民支持，為何不是民生議題？
The co - location arrangement is very important and supported by some 60 % of the public so why is it not a livelihood issue?
因此，我覺得他們今天反對政府這項休會待續議案是枉作小人。
As such I think they are making vain efforts when they oppose the adjournment motion moved by the Government today
我希望市民認清泛民的嘴臉，認清他們這種不合作、不為民生着想的態度。
I hope members of the public will discern the true nature of the pan - democrats as well as their non - cooperative attitude in respect of peoples livelihood
我希望今天能夠通過這項議案，所以我不想在此浪費太多時間。
I hope that this motion will be passed today so I do not want to waste too much time here
代理主席，政府今次就《2017年印花稅條例草案》提出休會待續的議案，其實大家也清楚知道為何政府要這樣做。
Deputy Chairman the Government moved a motion to adjourn the proceedings of the Stamp Duty Amendment Bill 2017 the Bill . Actually everyone knows clearly the reasons behind
我留意到，不少反對這項休會待續議案的議員在發言時，批評政府今次的做法是隨意調動議程，玩弄議會程序。
I notice that when many Members spoke to oppose this adjournment motion they criticized the Government for arbitrarily rearranging the order of agenda items and manipulating the procedures of the Council
此外，他們又質疑支持這項休會待續議案的議員，說支持議案就是幫助地產商，而不是幫市民或選民辦事。
Moreover they said that Members who supported the adjournment motion were helping real estate developers rather than helping the public or their electors
我認為，泛民議員提出的這些論點均屬無理據和不實的指控，對於政府和支持這項議案的議員都不公平。
In my view all such points raised by pan - democratic Members are groundless and false accusations which are unfair to both the Government and Members supporting this motion
我相信不少市民跟我一樣，期待高鐵明年第三季通 車，也希望能夠落實"一地兩檢"，大大縮短前往內地不同城市所需要的時間。
I trust many members of the public share my wish to see the commissioning of XRL in the third quarter of next year and hope that the co - location arrangement can be implemented to significantly shorten the time required when travelling to different Mainland cities
其實，無論是中小企、商界、市民，在旅遊或營商方面也非常支持在西九龍進行"一地兩檢"。
Actually small and medium enterprises the business sector as well as members of the public strongly support the implementation of the co - location arrangement at the West Kowloon Station in respect of travelling or doing business
代理主席，泛民議員近年經常在議會內用各種手段"拉布"，包括像今次一樣不斷要求點算法定人數。
Deputy Chairman in recent years pan - democratic Members have adopted various means to filibuster in the Council such as making incessant requests for headcounts as in the present case
其實，要求點算人數不要緊，但點算時連自己也不在席，邏輯何在？
Actually it is acceptable to request headcounts but what is the logic of a Member requesting a headcount and then not attending the meeting?
這些行為嚴重影響議會的正常運作，令不少議案、法案、撥款項目的討論和審批均不能有效、有序地進行，對社會民生造成重大損害。
Such deeds have seriously affected the normal operation of the Council as the discussion and scrutiny of many motions bills and funding proposals cannot be conducted in an effective and orderly manner thus affecting peoples livelihood significantly
說到底，泛民議員"拉布"的做法，根本是將公眾利益置諸不理，將政治目的凌駕於公眾利益之上，更會嚴重損害香港的整體利益，對政治和經濟發展也不會有好處。
In the final analysis when pan - democratic Members filibuster they basically ignore public interests and put political ends before public interests thereby seriously affecting Hong Kongs overall interests as well as its political and economic development
所以，政府今次提出休會待續的議案，希望讓議員稍後有更多時間討論"一地兩檢"方案，對此我是絕對理解的。
Therefore I definitely understand that the Government moves the adjournment motion to allow more time for Members to discuss the motion on the co - location arrangement later
關乎市民買樓的《印花稅條例》是民生事項，難道高鐵通車和落實"一地兩檢"便不是民生事項嗎？
While the Stamp Duty Ordinance that concerns peoples home purchase is a livelihood issue; can we say that the commissioning of XRL and the implementation of the co - location arrangement are not related to livelihood?
過去大家經常說，"民生無小事"。
In the past it was always said that no livelihood issue is too trivial
印花稅和高鐵通車、"一地兩檢"同樣重要，對於香港的經濟發展尤其重要，為何泛民議員對於這兩項同樣重要的民生事宜，在處理上會有不同立場和態度？
Stamp duty is as important as the commissioning of XRL and the implementation of the co - location arrangement; yet the latter are particularly important to the economic development of Hong Kong . Why do the pan - democratic Members have different stances in dealing with these two sets of equally important livelihood issues?
代理主席，我發言支持政府提出的休會待續議案。
Deputy Chairman I speak in support of the adjournment motion moved by the Government
泛民這兩天猛烈抨擊運輸及房屋局局長就《2017年印花稅條例草案》提出休會待續議案，論點重重複複，內容大致如下： 毛孟靜議員說，買樓是重要的民生問題，而高鐵"一地兩檢"則是政治問題，政府不能要民生讓路予政治。
On these two days the pan - democrats have violately attacked the Secretary for Transport and Housing for moving a motion to adjourn the proceedings of the Stamp Duty Amendment Bill 2017 the Bill . Their repetitive arguments are roughly as follows According to Ms Claudia MO home acquisition is an important livelihood issue while the co - location arrangement at the West Kowloon Station of the Hong Kong Section of the Guangzhou - Shenzhen - Hong Kong Express Rail Link XRL is a political issue
聽真一點，毛議員的意思是房屋是民生問題，交通是政治問題，真的有點匪夷所思。
Ms MO is saying that housing is a livelihood issue while transport is a political issue which is rather unimaginable
其實，運輸和房屋都是運輸及房屋局陳帆局長負責的重要項目，任何一個項目出現問題，局長都要被問責。
In fact transport and housing are important tasks for which Secretary for Transport and Housing Frank CHAN is responsible . The Secretary has to be accountable for every task under his scope of responsibility
我真的看不到為何陳局長會用自己的左手打自己的右手。
I really fail to see why Secretary Frank CHAN will hit his right hand with his left hand
說到底，政府是因應高鐵通車的迫切性，在權衡輕重後才作出這項安排，我們又怎能不支持呢？
After all the Government has after weighing the relative importance made such an arrangement due to the urgency of the commissioning of XRL; how can we not support it?
梁耀忠議員說，《條例草案》爭議較少，政府現時提出休會待續議案是不尊重議會和市民，而且《條例草案》已拖延了一段時間，應盡快通過。
Mr LEUNG Yiu - chung said that the Bill was less controversial and the Government disrespected the Council and the public in moving an adjournment motion . As the scrutiny of the Bill has been delayed for some time the Bill should be passed as soon as possible
但是，我不明白為何在上星期的行政長官答問會上，他卻大肆抨擊行政長官提出的免入息審查公共交通津貼是小恩小惠，是愚民政策。
However I do not understand why he strongly criticized at the Chief Executives Question and Answer Session last week that the non - means tested Public Transport Fare Subsidy Scheme to be introduced by the Chief Executive was a policy to fool the public by giving them petty favours
他更從口袋取出300港元，試圖侮辱行政長官。
He even took out 300 from his pocket trying to insult the Chief Executive
這數位議員義正詞嚴，趾高氣揚。
These Members have spoken arrogantly and sternly from a sense of justice
多位泛民議員均反覆強調《條例草案》應盡快通過，刻不容緩，否則便對不起市民，胡志偉議員今 早更說這樣會影響市民對樓市的觀感。
A number of pan - democratic Members have repeatedly stressed that the Bill should be passed as soon as possible; otherwise they would let the public down . Mr WU Chi - wai even said this morning that this would affect the publics perception of the property market
不要緊，今天就讓我用"時光機"帶大家回到當天現場，喚起大家的記憶。
It does not matter; let me bring Members back to what we discussed at that time to refresh your memory
在2017年7月13日的立法會會議，即上一個立法年度最後一天的會議上，當討論到《道歉條例草案》時，黃碧雲議員突然站起來提出規程問題，說她了解到審議《道歉條例草案》後將會處理《條例草案》及相關修正案；由於議程上還有數項附屬法例排在《條例草案》之後，而其中一項是與她最關心的水務設施有關的規例水務設施？
At the Legislative Council meeting on 13 July 2017 ie . the last meeting of the last legislative session when the Apology Bill was discussed Dr Helena WONG suddenly stood up and raised a point of order . She said that upon the completion of the scrutiny of the Apology Bill the Bill and its amendments would be dealt with; and after the Bill there were some subsidiary legislation on the Agenda one of which was related to waterworks that she was most concerned about
應該是關於"抽水"的問題吧於是她要求政府和主席調動議程，把附屬法例的次序調前。
I suppose she would like to piggyback on the issue . So she asked the Government and the President to rearrange the order of agenda items and consider the subsidiary legislation first
儘管主席當時拒絕黃議員的要求，但黃議員繼續以規程問題與主席周旋，非要把《條例草案》押後不可。
Although the President turned down Dr WONGs request she continued to contend with the President on the point of order insisting that the Bill should be handled later
在黃碧雲議員要求押後《條例草案》失敗後，事情仍未告一段落，涂謹申議員接力，要求主席讓他無經預告動議暫停執行《議事規則》的議案驚天動地讓本會可以調動議程項目，在審議《條例草案》前先處理附屬法例。
After Dr Helena WONGs request to postpone the scrutiny of the Bill was rejected the story did not end . Mr James TO took the turn and sought the consent of the President to move without notice a motion which had the effect of suspending a Rule . This startling move sought to rearrange the order of agenda items so that the subsidiary legislation would be handled before the Bill
在主席決定不批准涂議員這項旨在押後處理《條例草案》的議案後，涂議員又以規程問題要求動議立法會休會待續議案......
When the President decided not to approve Mr TOs motion to postpone the scrutiny of the Bill Mr TO raised a point of order requesting to move a motion to adjourn the Council
在休息前，我談到泛民主派議員義正詞嚴、趾高氣揚地表示通過《條例草案》刻不容緩，即使"釘書機事件"影響市民對泛民的觀感，他們也不怕。
Before the rest I said that the pan - democrats have spoken arrogantly and sternly from a sense of justice that the Bill should be passed as soon as possible and should brook no delay . They were not afraid even though the stapler incident had affected the publics perception of the pan - democrats
在主席決定不批准涂議員這項旨在押後處理《條例草案》的議案後，涂議員又以規程問題要求動議立法會休會待續議案。
When the President decided not to approve Mr TOs motion to delay the scrutiny of the Bill Mr TO raised a point of order requesting to move a motion to adjourn the Council . Obviously on that day the pan - democrats were determined to postpone the scrutiny of the Bill
明顯地，當天泛民議員非要押後討論《條例草案》不可，而大家要記住，當天是上一個立法年度最後一個會議日子，接着便放暑假，所以泛民議員根本從不擔心押後《條例草案》至下一個立法年度，亦即是今天。
Please bear in mind that it was the last meeting of the last legislative session followed by the summer recess . Hence the pan - democrats were not at all concerned about postponing the Bill to the next legislative session ie . until today
胡志偉議員今早指政府調動議程項目的優次是沒有規矩。
Mr WU Chi - wai said this morning that the Government had not followed the rules when it rearranged the order of agenda items
我想告訴胡議員，始作俑者是他的黨員黃碧雲議員和涂謹申議員。
I would like to tell Mr WU his party members Dr Helena WONG and Mr James TO were the ones to start the trouble
我不會猜測背後的動機，然而大家看到的是，在7月13日，《條例草案》並非泛民議員眼中最重要的議項，他們認為附屬法例比它重要。
I will not guess the motives behind but it is well evident that on 13 July the Bill was not regarded by the pan - democrats as a priority issue as they considered the subsidiary legislation more important
但是在今天，《條例草案》卻變成泛民議員心目中比任何事情更重要的事。
But today the Bill becomes the most important issue in the eyes of the pan - democrats
舉例而言，在梁振英政府時代，泛民議員不肯與梁振英會面，說任何事情也只會跟當時的政務司司長，即林鄭月娥女士見面商討，但當林鄭月娥女士開始競逐特首時，泛民議員便立刻把她塑造成"CY 2.0"，變成他們口中比CY更差的人。
For example in the LEUNG Chun - ying era the pan - democrats refused to meet with LEUNG Chun - ying saying that they would only meet and discuss with the then Chief Secretary for Administration Mrs Carrie LAM . But when Mrs Carrie LAM started to run in the Chief Executive election the pan - democrats immediately turned her into C Y 2.0 which was even inferior to C Y
代理主席，這個議事廳是讓大家說道理的地方，不過，泛民議員今次說的是真理還是歪理，相信大家已經心中有數。
Deputy Chairman this Chamber is a place for everyone to reason things out but I believe we all know clearly whether the pan - democrats reasoning is reasonable or devious
主席，我根據《議事規則》第39b條要求你澄清。
Chairman I seek elucidation under Rule 39b of the Rules of Procedure
你剛才多次提及主席無權調動議程；假如你可以調動議程，很多事情都不會發展成這樣。
You have repeatedly mentioned that the President does not have the power to rearrange the order of agenda items; if you could rearrange the order of agenda items many things would not have happened that way
我想請你澄清，你所指的你不能調動議程是甚麼意思？
I would like to ask you to elucidate why you said that the order of agenda items cannot be rearranged
你提出的並非規程問題。
This is not a point of order
主席，剛才林健鋒議員不斷議論所謂"拉布"的問題，我相信，既然主席可以讓林健鋒議員談論這問題，我也會用相當的時間來談論這問題。
Chairman Mr Jeffrey LAM kept talking about the so - called problem of filibustering just now . Since the Chairman allowed Mr Jeffrey LAM to discuss that problem I will also use the same amount of time to discuss this problem