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我在施政報告致謝議案辯論中說過，假設全港740萬市民的人均居住面積增加50平方呎，包括各種配套設施，需要大約2,000公頃土地，比"明日大嶼"的人工島還要大。
As I have said in the Motion of Thanks debate on the Policy Address assuming that the living space of the 7.4 - million population in Hong Kong is increased by 50 sq ft per person plus various ancillary facilities we will need an additional 2 000 hectares of land which is even larger than the artificial islands of Lantau Tomorrow
張超雄議員除了關注護養院長者的生活空間，是否也應該支持改善市民整體的居住環境、支持政府提出增加土地供應的建議？
In addition to his concern about the living space in nursing homes for elderly persons should Dr Fernando CHEUNG not support the Governments initiatives of increasing land supply in order to improve the overall living environment of the people?
我謹此陳辭，支持局長的修正案。
With these remarks I support the Secretarys amendments
主席，我想在進一步發言前感謝數位議會的前輩，分別是涂謹申議員、葉劉淑儀議員、石禮謙議員及前議員何俊仁。
President before I speak any further I would like to first thank a few senior Members of the Council . They are namely Mr James TO Mrs Regina IP Mr Abraham SHEK and former Member Mr Albert HO
我在審議今次決議案時，參考了一些議事紀錄。
When examining this Resolution I have drawn reference from some Official Records of Proceedings
這項擬議決議案在6月提交立法會時，我最初覺得政府有關借款的措辭略為模糊，政府推行綠色債券計劃的細節亦不完整。
When this proposed Resolution was presented to the Legislative Council in June I initially found the wording in relation to borrowings quite vague and the implementation details of the Green Bond Programme incomplete
所以，朱凱廸議員和我建議成立小組委員會詳細討論，亦給政府時間釐清。
Hence Mr CHU Hoi - dick and I proposed that a subcommittee be set up to further discuss the issue and allow the Government more time to clarify those concerns
但是，在7月至10月審議期間，我們發現政府的說法越來越不對勁，議員的問號亦都越來越多。
However during the scrutiny period from July to October we realized something was not quite right with the Governments version and Members had more and more questions
我稍後會簡單解釋我的3項修訂議案，但現在先回應一下局長剛才的發言，亦向大家補充一下財經事務及庫務局在小組委員會如何"播帶"。
I will briefly explain my three amending motions later on but first I would like to respond to the Secretarys speech just now and illustrate how the Financial Services and the Treasury Bureau spoke like a tape - recorder in the Subcommittee
首先，剛才局長的演辭說借款的目的是"為政府工務計劃下具備環境效益、並已獲財務委員會撥款批准的工程提供資金"。
First of all the Secretary stated in his speech just now that the sums borrowed seek to finance projects with environmental benefits under the Public Works Programme of the Government approved by the Finance Committee
有很多議員都關心環保，樂見政府做一些推動環保的事。
Many Members are concerned about environmental protection and glad to see the Governments efforts in promoting environmental protection
但是，我想澄清一下，局長剛才的發言並無納入法律條文，在法律上不具效力。
However I would like to clarify that the Secretarys speech just now does not stand part of the legislation and thus has no legislative effect
大家仔細看看擬議決議案的行文，a段說"授權政府為基本工程儲備基金的目的......
If we take a closer look at the wording of the proposed Resolution paragraph a provides that the Government be authorized to borrow for the purpose of the Capital Works Reserve Fund in total 100 billion
借入$1000億"，無一字詞提及借款是用來進行環保的工務工程。
Nowhere was it mentioned that the sums borrowed must be spent on works with environmental benefits
坦白說，普通人從字面看決議案的正文，根本不會看出計劃的目的和作用，遑論得出"綠色工務"的結論。
Frankly taking the wording in the body text of the Resolution literally no one will see the purpose and function of the programme at all not to mention drawing the conclusion of green public works
退一步而言，如果政府真的想"綠色"，真的想推動環保，最初就應該將這個目的寫進決議案內，使它成為有約束力的條文。
If the Government really wants to go green and promote environmental protection it should have included this objective in the Resolution and made it a provision with binding effect
否則，日後換了官員，政府想反口改變政策時，法律上不能阻止政府這樣做。
Otherwise it would be impossible to prevent the Government from changing the policy when the relevant public officer is replaced in future
法律顧問早於6月已經指出，現時的寫法涵蓋範圍極廣，足以容許政府將發債所得用於任何政府公共工程計劃的用途。
The Legal Adviser already pointed out as early as in June that given the extensive scope under the Resolution as presently drafted the Government will be able to spend the sums raised by bond issuances on any public works project
故此，對於劉怡翔局長拒絕加入這些條文，作出具有法律效力的承諾，我感到失望和憤怒。
Therefore I am disappointed and infuriated by Secretary James LAUs refusal to include a provision making a binding commitment
對於擬議決議案內用"不時"這兩個字，我亦很有保留。
I also have strong reservations about the words from time to time in the proposed Resolution
局長早前也與我們探討過，我相信涂謹申議員亦有很多意見，他可能在辦公室收看直播。
The Secretary has discussed this with us before . I believe Mr James TO who is perhaps watching the live broadcast in his office now has a lot to say about this too
情況好像每星期花數百元去馬會下注不知道主席是否熟悉買足一個賽季380場英超賽事我比較熟悉英超賽事其間有出有入，可能贏到數百元，又可能輸了數千元，賽季完結時，博彩戶口只剩下50元，但你花了多少錢去賭呢？
Just like the case where one bets a few hundred dollars a week with the Jockey Club―I am not sure if the President is familiar with this―on each of the 380 English Premier League matches―I am more familiar with the English Premier League―he may win or lose during the period . He may win a few hundred dollars or lose a few thousand dollars . At the end of the season only 50 were left in the betting account so how much was actually spent on betting?
涂謹申議員早於2009年已經提出質疑，他說："只要今天根據《借款條例》動議的決議案仍然存在......我們並沒有任何法律限制指明這個基金或這項借款額在何時作出或有任何規模，是完全沒受到任何約束的。
Mr James TO already raised queries as early as in 2009 . He said As long as the resolution moved today under the Loans Ordinance still exists there is absolutely no restriction in law specifying the time when the Fund or the loan is made or whether there is any scale attached to them
"在小組委員會審議期間，朱凱廸議員、我和法律顧問都嘗試過提出這些問題及質詢，但副局長迴避了這些關鍵的問題，所以我只能提出修訂議案及反對原議案的理據，立此存照。
Mr CHU Hoi - dick the Legal Adviser and I tried to raise these questions during the scrutiny by the Subcommittee but the Under Secretary evaded these key issues . Hence I can only propose amending motions and explain on what grounds I oppose the original motion for the record
在小組委員會審議期間，朱凱廸議員、鄭松泰議員和我追問發債計劃的詳情，例如政府推行綠色債券計劃時是否有相應的減排承諾，但原來政府並無為應對氣候變化提出具體藍圖及實質的政策目標；我們又問，甚麼工程可以定義為"綠色"呢？
During the scrutiny by the Subcommittee Mr CHU Hoi - dick Dr CHENG Chung - tai and I questioned the details of the bond programme such as whether the Government has any emission reduction target while launching the Green Bond Programme . It turned out that the Government actually did not have any substantive blueprint and policy objectives to combat climate change . Then we asked what projects could be defined as green?
但政府連定義和分類也不願意清楚交代，竟然說如果寫得太清楚，便會"無意間削弱綠色金融的發展潛力"。
But the Government was not willing to explain clearly the definitions and classifications . It went so far as to say that clear definitions would inadvertently undermine the development potential in green finance
此刻在大樓內的議員都無法說出，究竟哪些工程符合要求用作發債融資。
Members at this moment cannot tell which projects are eligible for financing through bond issuance
既然如此，我們是否應該冒此風險，授權政府做一些未知內容的融資？
Under these circumstances should we take this risk and authorize the Government to raise funds for some unknown projects?
其實，政府只要在整個項目中加入由其訂立或參考的標準，項目便有少許"綠色"成分，可以包裝成綠色工程，然後用作發債融資。
As a matter of fact the Government can simply add standards set by itself or make pertinent references in the projects in order to package them as green public works for bond issuance
實際上，這些標準是否真的符合"綠色"，最後是否破壞環境，大家是存有疑問的。
Whether these standards are really green or harmful to the environment is doubtful
例如抽走整個牛潭尾村的地下水興建鐵路，但因為鐵路夠環保，就可以做；焚化爐釋放氣體，只要有環保認證，日後也可照做。
For instance it was acceptable to extract all underground water in Ngau Tam Mei village for railway construction as railway is environmental - friendly; it will be acceptable for incinerators to release gas as long as they have environmental certifications
我提出3項修訂議案的出發點十分簡單，只是希望將政府的口頭承諾寫入條文。
My three amending motions are simple . They aim at including the Governments verbal undertakings into the provision
第一項修訂議案是刪去"不時"和"未清償本金的上限"，以確保政府聲稱借的1,000億元是絕對上限。
The first amending motion seeks to delete from time to time and outstanding by way of principal in order to ensure that the 100 billion ceiling claimed by the Government is the absolute maximum
第二項和第三項修訂議案清楚訂明政府推行綠色債券計劃的目的是為了進行有環境效益的工程，而不是為任何工程融資，以及彰顯政府對可持續發展的支持和應對氣候變化的決心。
The second and third amending motions seek to stipulate clearly that the purpose of the Green Bond Programme is to finance projects with environmental benefits instead of any project so as to demonstrate the Governments support for sustainable development and determination in combating climate change
我曾經考慮是否應加入日落條款，要求政府適時檢視借款發債的安排。
I have considered the need to add a sunset clause requesting the Government to examine the bond issuance arrangement on a regular basis
整體而言，我想強調，我的修訂議案和局長演辭的內容其實並無衝突。
All in all I wish to emphasize that there is actually no conflict between my amending motions and the Secretarys speech
她表示："第四點，也是發債目標的問題......因為當我們詢問官員為何要成立債券基金時，他們的回應是為了償還利息。
She said The fourth point is also about the purpose of the bond issue This was because when we asked the officials why a Bond Fund should be set up they responded that making interest repayments was the purpose
這便等於我的女兒向我借錢買車，我問她為何要借錢，她便說是為了入油，這根本上是沒有回答"，這是"葉劉淑儀BB"說的，"如果目標是堂堂正正為了搞好債券市場，何不按照同事的建議，在決議案中訂明？
I can think of a similar scenario my daughter borrows money from me to buy a car; when I ask her why she needs to borrow the money she answers that she needs to fill the car with petrol . This is not an answer at all . Regina IP BB said if the open and aboveboard purpose is to promote the development of the bond market then why does the Government not spell this out in the resolution as Honourable colleagues have suggested?
越是不列明，便越容易令人有疑心"，令葉劉淑儀議員有疑心。
Since it has not been spelled out people will easily become suspicious . So Mrs Regina IP was suspicious
十年過去，為何當局仍然要重複這些陋習呢？
Ten years have passed why should the Administration repeat the same bad habit?
所以，總體來說，我很難支持這項決議案。
Hence overall it is difficult for me to support this Resolution
各位議會裏的同事，我們由今年6月開始審議這項決議案，我在休會期間也做過功課，把第61A章至第61E章5次根據《借款條例》提出的決議案和議事過程看完又看，日以繼夜、夜以繼日的看，好像前議員王國興一樣。
Honourable colleagues in the Council the scrutiny of this Resolution commenced in June this year . I did my homework during the summer recess . I have read the five Resolutions proposed under the Loans Ordinance and their proceedings again and again day and night just like former Member Mr WONG Kwok - hing
我始終想不明為何今次的決議案措辭如何籠統模糊，如果政府光明正大推行綠色債券，為何這項決議案要留下這麼多空白和迴旋空間呢？
Yet I still do not understand why this Resolution uses such vague wording . If the Government intends to implement green bonds in an open and aboveboard manner why should there be so many blanks and so much manoeuvre room in the Resolution?
我內心一直有個疑問：決議案是否與"明日大嶼"等大型工程的融資有關呢？
A question has been lingering on my mind Does the resolution have something to do with financing large - scale works projects such as Lantau Tomorrow?
果然10月初特首林鄭月娥公布施政報告，環境局說東大嶼都會是接近零排放的新市鎮。
Sure enough while Chief Executive Carrie LAM announced her Policy Address in early October the Environment Bureau claimed that the East Lantau Metropolis will be a new town with nearly zero emission
我記得很多市民也出來反對施政報告的"明日大嶼"填海計劃，陳茂波司長亦已"打開口牌"，說考慮向市民發債，為"明日大嶼"籌集資金。
I recall that many people opposed the Lantau Tomorrow reclamation project in the Policy Address while Secretary Paul CHAN played verbal coercion by saying that bond issuance would be an option for financing Lantau Tomorrow
歷史不止一次告訴我們，這種情緒主導的財演操作帶來的後果。
History has taught us more than once the consequences of such financial operations fuelled by emotions
一般市民聽到政府發公債，很容易便以為對投資者有利，政府發債是A級，一定可行、有信心，理所當然認為穩賺，所以便買入，但我們忽視了基礎的財務和其他方面的分析，特別是公共財政的問題。
The general public purchase government bonds because they would easily consider government bonds lucrative and A - rated . They are confident that proceeds are guaranteed . However we have ignored the fundamental analysis of the financial and other aspects in particular the issue of public finance
當年政府將公屋的資產上市，製造小投資者和市民利益的對立，製造出領展這種怪物，很多時候便是始於這些所謂的小小善意。
The listing of commercial assets of public housing estates back then has given rise to a confrontation of interests between small investors and the public and created the monster The Link REIT . Problems often originate from the so - called goodwill
我對議案提出很多質疑，副局長在3次會議上也無法提供一個令我滿意的解釋，後來據我理解只是重複line to take。
I have raised many queries about the Resolution to which the Under Secretary was unable to provide satisfactory explanations at the three meetings . To my understanding he was just repeating the line to take
我知道他已展示不少誠意，我也希望在此多謝副局長。
I understand that the Under Secretary has demonstrated sincerity for which I thank him
但是，總括而言，我不希望政府"掛羊頭賣狗肉"，我也傾向相信政府不想這樣做的，只是因為過往曾這樣做，現在沒有改善的辦法。
However in a nutshell I do not want the Government to cry up wine but sell vinegar . I tend to believe the Government does not want to do so . This is only because it used to do so and there is no way to improve it now
我希望局長稍後答辯時不要口輕輕的說"政府不會借款超出1,000億元的"，有時候即使局長今天有權沒有盡用，但不知下一個官員會否有權盡用。
I hope the Secretary will not causally say in his reply later on that the Government will not make borrowings more than 100 billion . Sometimes just because the incumbent Secretary is not exhausting his powers does not mean the next one will not
不要只是說政府不會搞"漂綠"，只說不會是遠遠不足夠的。
Do not simply say the Government will not greenwash . Just saying it is far from enough
正如局長的上司陳茂波司長當年擔任議員時，也說借款是"口講口賠"而已，一旦換位，立場已經不一樣。
When Secretary Paul CHAN the superior of the Secretary was a Member he has also said that borrowings were merely verbal promises . Once put in a different position the standpoint can be very different
所以，如果局長要回應和說服議員支持他的決議案，我認為局長應該解釋現時決議案是不容許政府借款超過1,000億元，而且政府不能為沒有環境效益的工程發綠債融資，要斬釘截鐵地說清楚，是可以寫入法律條文的，局長可否這樣做？
Therefore if the Secretary wants to respond to Members and convince them to support his Resolution I think he should explain that borrowings of more than 100 billion are not possible under this resolution and that the Government may not issue green bonds to finance works projects without any environmental benefits . He has to give a categorical statement which can be included in the provision . Can the Secretary do that?
否則，這項綠債決議案只是一張極為不合比例的空頭支票，對市民不負責任，也利用了很多支持環保、愛護環境的朋友。
Otherwise this green bond resolution is merely a disproportionate bad cheque which is not a responsible attitude towards the public and a manipulation of people who support environmental protection
最後我想說，很多環保團體支持發行綠色債券的方向，我也認為應該發行綠色債券，但當沒有列明目的時，便會為政府留下很大的迴旋空間。
Lastly I would like to say that many environmental groups support the direction of green bonds . I too think green bonds should be issued but when the purpose is not clearly specified the Government will be given a lot of manoeuvre room
代理主席，我支持朱議員今次提出的中止待續議案。
Deputy President I support the adjournment motion proposed by Mr CHU this time around
最近"大館"開幕，發生了"自我審查"風波，令我想起原來"大館"是與《條例》有關的。
The row over Tai Kwuns self - censorship following its recent inauguration has reminded me that it actually has got something to do with the Ordinance
在125年前當立法局授權政府借款時，還未有現時的半民主政制，而大家亦知道當時基本上並無清晰的立法、行政和司法三權分立，互相制衡。
When the Legislative Council authorized the government to make borrowings 125 years ago the current semi - democratic political regime had not come into existence yet and we also know that there was basically no clear separation of the executive legislative and judicial powers to maintain checks and balances among one another back then
然而，當時立法局在授權政府借款時，會訂立主體法例。
Nevertheless the Legislative Council would make primary legislation when authorizing the government to make borrowings at that time
大家也知道在法律上，主體法例的法律約束力大於附屬法例，而根據相關條例的做法，款項是逐項借入，亦會註明借款用途或目的。
As we are aware in law primary legislation is greater in binding force than subsidiary legislation and as set out in the relevant Ordinance borrowings would be made one by one and their use or purpose were also specified
但到了今天，政府彷彿倒退了，不單沒有註明借款目的，還想蒙混過關，以一項決議案多次借款。
But it seems that the Government has retrogressed today . It has not only failed to specify the purpose of borrowings but also attempted to muddle through making multiple borrowings with one Resolution
我基於4個原因支持朱議員的中止待續議案。
I support Mr CHUs adjournment motion for four reasons
第一，借入的款額已超出《條例》的涵蓋範圍。
First the sums to be borrowed are beyond the scope of the Ordinance
我剛才的發言已指出，政府運用語言"偽術"，暗地把借入款額引申為"未清償本金的上限"。
As pointed out in my speech earlier the Government has made use of equivocation secretly expressing the sums borrowed as the maximum amount that may be outstanding by way of principal
法律顧問今年9月曾致函政府，質疑這種寫法令政府可以循環貸款，重複不斷。
This September the Legal Adviser wrote to the Government with queries about the way it was drafted which might enable the Government to borrow on a revolving basis over and over again
這實際上是否《條例》容許的權力呢？
Is that actually the authority permitted by the Ordinance?
第二是借款目的，我留意到今次的決議案與註釋有矛盾。
The second point is the purpose of borrowings . I notice that this Resolution conflicts with the Explanatory Note
代理主席，我原本提出了第四項修訂議案，但我不知道梁君彥主席有否讓你過目。
Deputy President I originally proposed the fourth amending motion but I do not know whether President Andrew LEUNG has given it to you for your information
主席表示《議事規則》沒有明文容許議員修改註釋，故不讓我們作出相關修訂。
According to the President he has ruled our amendments inadmissible because the Rules of Procedure does not expressly allow Members to amend the Explanatory Note
但我想指出一個十分有趣的情況，就是政府一方面拒絕在決議案正文訂明"綠色工程項目"，卻未有定義何謂"綠色"。
But I wish to point out a very interesting situation which is the Governments refusal to set out green public works projects in the body text of the Resolution on the one hand while leaving green undefined
當然，我知道它心目中有其對"綠色"的定義，而我亦曾聽過陳浩濂副局長的解說。
Certainly I know that in its mind it has its own definition of green and I have also listened to the explanation by Under Secretary Joseph CHAN
金融界對"綠色"的定義是有某些國際標準的，例如國際資本市場協會和標準普爾的定義，希望局長可以了解清楚。
The definition of green adopted by the financial sector is in line with certain international standards such as the definitions set by the International Capital Market Association and Standard and Poors and I hope the Secretary will have a clear idea of that
事實上，政府在2004年因政府賣地情況欠佳而根據《條例》動議決議案授權借款，以填補基本工程儲備基金的赤字。
In fact the Government moved a Resolution under the Ordinance authorizing it to borrow a sum for the purpose of financing the deficit of the Capital Works Reserve Fund CWRF given the poor results of land sale in 2004
事實上，官方預算案的中期預測亦把地價收入估算大幅下調，未來數年只會維持在約1,200億元的水平。
In fact the medium range forecast of the Governments Budget has also significantly lowered the land sale revenue estimate which will only maintain at a level of about 120 billion in the next few years
這項估算可能已相對樂觀，但其是否具備充分理據，本身已是一個問號。
While such an estimate may be relatively optimistic there is a question mark over whether it is fully justified
同時，把賣地收入所得用作基建工程開支的款額持續增加，我們的基本工程儲備基金在未來20年又能否保證穩定呢？
Meanwhile with the continuous growth in the amount of proceeds from land sale earmarked for infrastructure projects can we ensure that CWRF will remain stable in the next 20 years?
第四點關乎授權無限借款的問題。
The fourth point concerns the authorization for borrowings of an indefinite amount
我想指出的一點是，假如政府堂堂正正草擬議案，發行一次債券協助3至5項有環境效益的工程融資，不論總額為100億元或數百億元，我個人認為可以接受。
The point I wish to make is that if the Government drafts a motion in an upright manner for the issuance of a bond to facilitate financing of three to five projects with environmental benefits no matter whether the total amount is 10 billion or tens of billions of dollars I personally consider it acceptable
自1983年起，基本工程儲備基金一直是香港公共財政的黑洞。
From 1983 onwards CWRF has been the black hole of Hong Kongs public finance
政府今次同樣希望透過決議案取得授權後採用整體撥款形式，而這正是基本工程儲備基金的問題所在。
This time around the Government also hopes to adopt the block vote approach after obtaining authorization by way of the Resolution and this is where the problem of CWRF lies
政府每年動用數百億元甚至數千億元的公帑大興土木，而立法會對此的審議和監督能力卻大大削弱。
While the Government deploys tens of billions or even hundreds of billions of dollars to carry out large - scale construction works every year the Legislative Councils ability to examine and supervise such projects will be substantially undermined
今次政府再次採取發債方式，可說是"走後門"，令原本由政府負責、受議會監督的公共開支更加不受規管，造成更大的黑洞。
The Governments further issuance of bonds this time around may be regarded as a backdoor approach which will leave the public expenditure supposed to be managed by the Government and monitored by the Council even more unregulated thereby forming an even greater black hole
當年立法局有3位非官守議員，分別為韋赫、遮打和庇理羅士，他們均反對該項借款建議，甚至部分工務建議，更要求押後二讀法案。
Back then there were three Unofficial Members in the Legislative Council who were respectively Whitehead Chater and Belilos . They all opposed the loan proposal and even some public works proposals and also requested that the Second Reading of the Bill be postponed
這3位非官守議員的要求恰巧就是類似剛才朱凱廸議員動議的議案，而當時代表華人的何啟則反對貸款作擴建監獄之用。
It so happened that the request made by these three Unofficial Members was similar to that in the motion moved by Mr CHU Hoi - dick earlier and the then representative of Chinese Dr HO Kai opposed the use of a loan for the extension of the prison
在1890年，庇理羅士對港府無視債務纏身、大幅揮霍財政儲備，作出強烈批評。
In 1890 Belilos strongly criticized the then Government of squandering a large part of its fiscal reserves disregardless of its debt - ridden status
他表示當時經濟不景，如能減省部分開支如官員的加薪建議，港府便沒有借款的迫切性。
He stated that given the economic downturn back then some cost - cutting measures such as giving public officers no pay rise would remove the urgency for the Hong Kong Government to borrow
他當時就是這樣建議政府減省開支，以處理當前情況，而無須再借款。
That was how he advised the Government to cut costs in order to address the prevailing situation thereby obviating the need to make borrowings back then
當年他在相關討論中的發言很值得今次支持發債的人深思。
His speech in the relevant discussion back in those days is worth serious consideration by those who support bond issuance this time around
我不知道今天推行綠色債券的你會否認為議 員很麻煩，亦不知道當你離開官場後會留在香港還是如其他高官般移民海外，這是各人的選擇。
I do not know whether you who seek to launch green bonds today will see Members as troublemakers nor do I know whether you after leaving the Government will stay in Hong Kong or migrate abroad just like what other senior officials did . It is ones personal choice
但今次政府發行綠色債券，實際上很有機會向下一代和未來的世代借款。
But in fact in issuing green bonds this time around the Government is most likely to borrow from the next generation and the generations to come
我認為我一直以來就修訂議案的討論或指出眾多需要修正的問題，其實是承襲前人的智慧，包括會議廳內的葉劉淑儀議員，以至涂謹申議員、何俊仁議員和石禮謙議員，大家也希望在處理借款問題時有具體目的。
I think I have actually been discussing the amending motions or pointing out a number of issues to be rectified with the wisdom inherited from our predecessors including Mrs Regina IP now in the Chamber as well as Mr James TO Mr Albert HO and Mr Abraham SHEK who all hope that there will be a specific purpose when dealing with the borrowings
對於綠色債券，或許政府今天對我或其他對綠色債券有異議的議員的意見仍未聽得入耳，但我昨晚恰巧出席了陳健民教授的最後一堂課，我想引用他在結語時提到的一首出自弘一大師的詩："我到為植種，我行花未開。
Regarding green bonds perhaps the Government is still reluctant to heed the views of me or other Members who object to green bonds today . But it so happened that I attended the lecture delivered by Prof CHAN Kin - man which was his swansong yesterday evening . I wish to quote the poem by Master Hong Yi with which he closed his speech and it reads Here I come to plant but the flowers are still in bud by the time I go
更重要的是，如果政府強推綠色債券計劃的隱藏議程是為了"明日大嶼"、"一帶一路"、經濟救國而拋棄規章、偷換概念，在決議案訂明一些不見於《條例》亦超出原本立法原意的情況，又是否值得呢？
More importantly if the hidden agenda behind the Green Bond Programme forced through by the Government is to take forward the Lantau Tomorrow programme and the Belt and Road Initiative and save the country by economic means at the expense of rules and regulations with concept substitution providing for some circumstances unspecified in the Ordinance and beyond the original legislative intent in the Resolution is it worth it?
代理主席，關於政府計劃發行綠色債券，首先，我相信大部分市民其實不太明白是甚麼一回事，只會視之為其他政府債券，甚至是一些關心政治的朋友例如"政治宅"其實也是一知半解。
Deputy President regarding the Governments plan to issue green bonds first of all I believe most members of the public do not really understand what it is . They will only regard them as other government bonds and even those who are very much concerned about politics such as the political fanatics may only have scanty knowledge of it
既然在不太了解亦可能是一知半解的情況下，為何我仍然傾向支持朱凱廸議員就這項決議案提出的中止待續議案呢？
Why am I still inclined to support Mr CHU Hoi - dicks motion to adjourn the debate on the proposed resolution even though people know very little or have only scanty knowledge of it?
坦白說，其實沒有甚麼道理，但為甚麼沒有道理亦要支持呢？
Honestly there is really no reason in it . But why would I support the adjournment motion despite the fact that there is no reason in it?