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現在大陸開始有點橫着來，它說其實《基本法》並不是最重要的，因為有憲法在其之上。
And now the Mainland authorities are getting unreasonable . They say that the Basic Law is in fact not what matters most as the Constitution is above the Basic Law
如果鄧小平聽到，可能也要翻生出來罵這些忤逆的黨員。
If DENG Xiaoping heard about this he would turn in his grave and scold these disobedient party members
大家也知道，"一國兩制"這個香港的傳統，為的不是香港，而是整個中國。
As you also know the tradition of one country two systems in Hong Kong is not for the sake of Hong Kong but for the sake of the entire China
大陸內地已經無法挽救，已經因為專權、這些尋釁滋事和顛覆國家政權罪，再加上很多網絡、實體監控和打壓，而沒有任何民主聲音，唯獨是香港，在"一國兩制"之下還剩餘一些民主聲音，而這些不是裝出來的。
The Mainland is already hopeless without any democratic voices because of the autocratic rule the offences of picking quarrels and provoking troubles and subverting state power as well as Internet and physical monitoring and repression . But for Hong Kong alone there are still some remaining democratic voices under one country two systems and these cannot be feigned
大家也知道，說的是一套，做的一定是要第二套，這是共產黨偉大的傳統。
We all learn that not practising what it preaches is the great tradition of the Communist Party
政府做出如此骯髒的事情，其實即是跟建制派一起"扯貓尾"，一起做傷害香港人的事情。
When the Government is doing such dirty work it is actually colluding with the pro - establishment camp to do harm to the Hong Kong people
請議員返回座位，現在會議繼續。
Will Members please return to their seats . The meeting will now continue
代理主席，我剛才說到政府如何可耻。
Deputy President I was saying how disgraceful the Government was
首先，政府利用律政司司長褫奪總共6位議員的資格，接着建制派與政府"打龍通"，提出修改《議事規則》。
First of all the Government made use of the Secretary for Justice to disqualify a total of six Members . Later on the pro - establishment camp colluded with the Government to propose amending the Rules of Procedure
主席，我根據《議事規則》第303c條提出規程問題，這是廖長江議員擬修訂《議事規則》的其中一項，是要修訂《議事規則》第123條及附表1。
President I wish to raise a point of order under Rule 303c of the Rules of Procedure RoP . This is about one of Mr Martin LIAOs proposed amendments to amend RoP 123 and Schedule 1 to the Rules of Procedure
總的來說，這修訂是關於由立法會秘書負責選舉主席。
All in all the amendment seeks to task the Clerk to the Legislative Council with the responsibility of conducting the election of the President
這項修訂其實有三違反，容許我花少許時間解釋甚麼是三違反。
In fact the amendment has three violations . Allow me to spend a little time on explaining the violations
無論是附表1，或是《議事規則》第4條，也不適用於該程序，這是第一個嚴重矛盾的地方，亦即我所說的第一個違反。
Schedule 1 or RoP 4 will be inapplicable to this procedure . This is the first serious conflict or the first violation I said
第二個違反，主席，《基本法》第七十一條寫明......
The second violation President concerns the Basic Law . Article 71 states that
梁繼昌議員，你所提述的並非規程問題。
Mr Kenneth LEUNG what you said is not a point of order
請你直接提出規程問題。
Please directly state your point of order
早晨，各位同事。
Good morning Members
但是，如果某位議員對某議會的主席說，他是一隻狗，這樣又有不同的看法，因為狗和老虎的確是兩種不同的動物。
However if a Member describes the Council President as a dog this will be viewed differently as dogs and tigers are truly two different kinds of animals
但是，不知道中國人為何對一些動物，例如狗、龜，抱有不同的看法。
I wonder why Chinese people will have different perceptions of certain animals such as dogs and tortoises and I think we have to consider why different kinds of animals are treated differently
開宗明義，這些修正案其實都是因應建制派議員一些倉卒提出及不公義的修正案而制訂的。
Frankly speaking these amendments are the result of other unfair amendments hastily proposed by the pro - establishment camp
當然，我是承認這一點的，因為建制派同事的修正案是倉卒提出，而這些修正案亦沒有在議事規則委員會會議中作任何詳細討論。
I honestly admit that as the amendments from the pro - establishment camp are hastily proposed and they have not been deliberated by the Committee on Rules of Procedure during the meetings
我作為議事規則委員會副主席，會遵守議事規則委員會現有的做法及一些傳統，就是不能夠將議事規則委員會內的討論作任何表述。
As the Deputy Chairman of the Committee I will observe the existing practice and tradition of the Committee and that is I will not speak on the deliberations in the Committee meetings
其實，民主派議員的數十項修正案，在議事規則委員會會議中只花了1小時討論，縱使我們盡了很大努力，向議事規則委員會各位建制派的成員解釋我們的修訂用意，但所有修正案當然，除了有關"擧"字的那項修正案外也遭到建制派同事的否決。
As a matter of fact the several dozen amendments from the democratic camp were only under discussion for one hour in the Committee meeting . Despite our great efforts in explaining to the pro - establishment Members of the Committee our purpose of putting forward these amendments all amendments apart from the one concerning the Chinese word 擧 of course were vetoed by the pro - establishment Members
當然，這是無理的否決。
Admittedly they were vetoed unreasonably
這些是有特別需要的人士，我們要關顧他們。
Since these people have special needs we have to take care of them
如果《議事規則》寫得太寬鬆，甚麼也是由主席決定，主席是絕對有可能濫權的。
If the Rules of Procedure are so loosely written that the President can make all the decisions it is absolutely possible that he will abuse his power
另一組修正案的方向，就是令公眾及傳媒能得到更多立法會的資訊。
The direction of another group of amendments is that the public and media can be provided with more information about the Legislative Council and this was briefly mentioned by Mr Charles Peter MOK earlier
我上屆並非議事規則委員會的委員，而今屆則是副主席。
I was not a member of that Committee in the last session but I am the Deputy Chairman of this Committee in this session
最近我想翻看上屆議事規則委員會的會議紀錄，因為我們正在討論修訂《議事規則》，而這是相關的會議紀錄，但秘書處竟然說我無權閱覽。
Due to our discussion on the amendment to the Rules of Procedure not long ago I requested to read the Committees meeting records in the last session as these records are relevant . However the Secretariat says that I do not have access to reading such records
《議事規則》旨在規範議員與主席之間關係，但為何要弄到這麼秘密呢？
The Rules of Procedure aim to specify the relationship between Members and the President but why do the records have to be kept in such a confidential way?
當然，有一種最重要的精神，亦都是我們另外一組修正案的方向，就是將香港人在《基本法》內的基本權益切實地寫在《議事規則》內。
There is of course a kind of spirit of utmost importance which is related to the direction of another group of amendments . This group seeks to have the basic rights and interests of the Hong Kong people under the Basic Law expressly provided in the Rules of Procedure
這點是重要的，因為建制派同事的修正案，同樣加入了《基本法》中的最基本，又或根本是涵蓋每個人，包括主席的法律概念；而我們其實也想在有關的修正案，加入《基本法》保障香港人的權利和自由的概念。
This is significant as the amendments from the pro - establishment Members have also incorporated the most fundamental legal concepts in the Basic Law which everyone including the President must follow . And we also want to incorporate into our amendments the concepts in the Basic Law concerning the protection of Hong Kong peoples rights and interests as well as freedom
我們的第七項修訂的方向非常重要，是要彰顯立法會功能，令政府和行政機關能夠更有效地對立法會問責。
The direction of our seventh group of amendments is highly important . It seeks to demonstrate the functions of the Legislative Council such that the Government and the executive authorities can be accountable to the Legislative Council in a more effective way
但是，很可惜，亦感到非常無奈和心痛，我們沒有時間討論這些修正案，其實這些修正案全部是可行和合理的。
It is however very unfortunate that we have no time to discuss these amendments which I also feel helpless and distressed . In fact these amendments are all feasible and reasonable
主席，關於我提出的兩項現時獲得批准的修正案，第一項修正案是修改《議事規則》第67條。
President concerning my two amendments which have been approved the first amendment is proposed to amend Rule 67 of the Rules of Procedure RoP
現行的第67條是："立法會秘書須負責為立法會每一個委員會及小組委員會提供一名秘書。
The existing RoP 67 reads The Clerk shall be responsible for providing every committee and subcommittee of the Council with a clerk
便是因為我看見很多委員會的工作量是非常繁重的。
It is because I notice the heavy workload of many committees
當然，每個委員會的工作也有不同的類別和性質，但是，在一些工作量非常繁重的委員會中，我們的確需要一位副秘書，而這位副秘書可以在秘書告假或身體不適要請病假時，代他行使秘書的權力。
It is true that the type and nature of work in each committee are different from the others . But in certain committees with very heavy workload we surely need a deputy clerk who can exercise the power on behalf of the clerk when the latter is on leave or sick leave
在一些委員會，例如政府帳目委員會，秘書的工作量的確是非常繁重和辛苦的。
In some committees such as the Public Accounts Committee the clerk really has to put up with the heavy workload and hard work
我不是說每個委員會也要有一位副秘書，這一點由立法會秘書長決定，究竟某委員會或小組委員會是否需要一名副秘書。
I am not saying that there should be a deputy clerk in each committee as it will be the responsibility of the Clerk to decide whether a deputy clerk will be needed in certain committees or subcommittees
當然，就一些委員會，例如上屆議事規則委員會是每兩個月才開會一次，工作量不是太大，便無須副秘書。
Of course the workload of some committees is not too heavy and a deputy clerk will not be needed . One example is the Committee in the last session which only held a meeting bi - monthly
主席，我另一項修正案是有關《議事規則》第142條，關於會議時間及日期的改動。
President my other amendment concerns RoP 142 which seeks to amend the days and hours of meetings
第142條是："除新一會期首次會議，以及每屆立法會首個會期開始後14整天內舉行的會議外，立法會每次會議的書面預告，須由立法會秘書於會議日期最少14整天前發給各議員"。
The existing RoP 142 reads Written notice of every meeting of the Council other than the first meeting of a new session and meetings held within 14 clear days of the commencement of the first session of a term of the Council shall be given by the Clerk to Members at least 14 clear days before the day of the meeting
當然，在遇到緊急情況時，14整天前的預告是可以免卻的。
Of course in cases of emergency the President may dispense with such notice given to Members at least 14 clear days before the day of the meeting
鑒於主席也有權免卻14整天前的預告期，所以，我對第142條的改動是，除首次會議外，以後的會議，秘書發給各議員的書面預告，由14整天減至12整天，各位同事，請留意只是減少兩天而已。
Given that the President has the power to dispense with such notice given to Members at least 14 clear days before the day of the meeting I propose a change to RoP 142 to the effect that written notice of every meeting of the Council other than the first meeting of a new session shall be given by the Clerk to Members at least 12 clear days instead of 14 clear days before the day of the meeting . Members may note that the notice period will only be shortened by two days
為何我覺得要減少兩天呢？
Why do I think that the notice period must be shortened by two days?
這並非無的放矢的改動，而主席亦可以免卻這些預告期，我希望各位建制派同事支持我這兩項修正案。
This is not an amendment arbitrarily proposed by me as the President can dispense with such notice anyway . I hope that the pro - establishment Members can support my two amendments
代理主席，在我開始討論此項議程之前，我想對主席有關辯論時間及投票的安排，表示強烈的不滿。
Deputy President before I start discussing this agenda item I would like to express my strong dissatisfaction towards the Presidents arrangements on our debating time and on voting
我以往曾不停追問這個問題，但大家也不肯作出修訂，我覺得這是需要修訂的地方，否則在此安排下投票，對議會、議員而言也是一種侮辱。
I have been pursuing this question but Members are not willing to make any amendment to the arrangement . In my view amendment is warranted for this arrangement otherwise the voting under this arrangement will be an insult to this Council and to Members
然而，從哪個方向作出修改呢？
However what is the direction of amendment?
我覺得香港是一個追求民主的社會，議會亦需要不斷民主化以反映市民的聲音，發揮強而有力監察政府的作用。
In my view since Hong Kong is a society pursuing democracy our Council also needs to keep on democratizing itself to reflect public voices and to exercise its function of monitoring the Government fully and effectively
因此，我覺得修訂是應該甚至是有需要的，只要符合議會能夠更進步、更合乎民主精神，我覺得這種做法是最好的。
Hence I feel that amendments should be and even need to be proposed to the Rules of Procedure as long as they can make this Council more progressive and more in line with the spirit of democracy . This is the best approach in my opinion
再者，怎樣令到議員的聲音及倡議充分被尊重？
Besides how can Members voices and proposals be fully respected?
我特別強調尤其是少數派議員的意見如何被尊重呢？
I would particularly emphasize how the views of the minority Members can be respected
因此，代理主席，在這樣的前提之下，民主派議員提出的修正案，絕大部分是我一定會支持的；當中特別要求立法會主席執行職務的時候，必須時刻保持和維護立法會的自主權，這項修正案是更重要的。
Deputy President under this premise I will therefore definitely support most of the amendments proposed by the democratic Members . One of them is particularly proposed to provide that the President in discharging his duties shall preserve and defend the autonomy of the Legislative Council at all times . This amendment has greater importance as we see that the present Council is not fairly and equitably composed
張議員就《議事規則》第2條的修正案，容許議員在議會用手語發言。
Dr CHEUNGs amendment to Rule 2 of the Rules of Procedure is to allow a Member to address the Council in sign language
事實上，鑒於聯合國《殘疾人權利公約》自2008年起已經在香港生效，所以，香港應該有責任承認和推動手語的使用。
In fact given that the United Nations Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities has been in force in Hong Kong since 2008 Hong Kong shall have the responsibility to recognize and promote the use of sign language
《公約》亦訂明，手語和聾文化應當有權在與其他人平等的基礎上獲得承認和支持。
It is also stipulated in the Convention that persons with disabilities shall be entitled on an equal basis with others to recognition and support of their sign languages and deaf culture
雖然我知道很多議員同事也不懂得手語，但現時香港最少有15萬聾人及弱聽人士，而當中不少人也以手語作為母語。
Although I know that many Members do not know sign language there are at least 150 000 deaf and hearing impaired persons in Hong Kong at present and a lot of them take sign language as their mother language
因此，我覺得一定要重視手語，我亦曾特別在議會提出"爭取手語成為香港官方語言"的議案。
Therefore I think we should attach importance to sign language . I have once especially moved a motion on Striving to make sign language an official language of Hong Kong in the Council
雖然建制派的同事表決棄權，但事後聽到很多議員說他們不是反對，只是覺得那時候不是合適的時間，因為未有足夠的手語翻譯服務，所以暫時不應該推行，稍後是會支持的。
Even though Members from the pro - establishment camp abstained from voting then I heard many Members saying afterwards that they were not against the motion but only felt that it was not an opportune time to make sign language official as sign language interpretation services could not be sufficiently provided . They thought this plan should be shelved temporarily but would support it in due course
既然如此，為何《議事規則》不容許議員使用手語這種法定表達方式發言呢？
In that case under the Rules of Procedure why are Members not allowed to express their views by means of sign language a statutory way of expression?
如果大家均支持的話，我希望大家投票的時候真的支持張超雄議員的修正案。
If Members are in support of that I hope that they can really support Dr Fernando CHEUNGs amendment when it is put to the vote
事實上，廖長江議員代表建制派提出的每一項修正案，對我來說也是觸目驚心的。
In fact each one of the amendments proposed by Mr Martin LIAO on behalf of the pro - establishment camp is alarming to me especially his amendment to revise the quorum of a committee of the whole Council from not less than one half of all its members to 20 members
建制派議員過去一直說要維護及擁護《基本法》，為何有人批評這觸犯《基本法》的時候，他們還硬要牽頭破壞《基本法》？
Members of the pro - establishment camp have been defending and upholding the Basic Law . When this amendment is being criticized for breaching the Basic Law why do they persist in taking the lead to go against the Basic Law?
是否輸打贏要，以人數多欺負人數少的做法，罔顧一切的做法呢？
Are they behaving like a sore loser bullying the minority when they are the majority and being regardless of all the consequences?
此外，很多同事剛才談及有關提交呈請書的人數，建制派要求由20人大幅增加至全體議員的一半，即35人。
Besides many colleagues mentioned the number of Members required for supporting a petition . The pro - establishment camp asks for a drastic increase from 20 Members to half of all Members ie . 35 Members
透過呈請書成立小組委員會其實沒有甚麼特別作為，因為它沒有特權效應，不能夠有法律效力傳召所有有關人士出席聆訊，是沒有這樣的權力的，只是有總比沒有的好而已。
When a subcommittee is formed through the presentation of a petition nothing can actually be done as it has no privilege power or legal power to summon all the people concerned to attend the hearings . It has no such a power and its formation is only better than having nothing
是成立一個專責委員會，能夠有法定權力，可以傳召所有有關涉事的人出席聆訊，這樣才有意思。
It is to set up a select committee which can have legal power to summon all the people concerned to attend the hearings and this will be meaningful
葉劉淑儀議員剛才大義凜然的說，如果事件是大家關心的話，她一定會挺身而出支持。
Earlier on Mrs Regina IP said righteously that if the substance of the petition was a concern to all she would definitely rise in her place to show support
事實上，我想最高興的不是議員而是政府，因為剝奪了少數派的監察權力，政府就可以為所欲為。
I think the Government instead of Members is actually the most cheerful party as when the monitoring power of the minority camp is taken away it can act wilfully
為何保皇派的議員可以雙手奉送自己應有的權力，完全閹割議會呢？
How can Members from the royalist camp surrender their rights with their own hands and have the Council completely castrated?
代理主席，我覺得這件事件令我們更清楚看到議會已經淪陷。
Deputy President this incident has made us see clearly that this Council has already fallen
議會的分裂、分化，就會形成社會的分裂及分化。
The dissension and disintegration in a Council will turn into social dissension and disintegration
為何大家不能集中精力針對政府，要求政府制訂一些更符合民生的政策呢？
Why do we not focus our efforts in dealing with the Government in asking the Government to formulate some policies more beneficial to peoples livelihood?
為何要把議會變成一個不能夠真正做到有效監察政府的議會呢？
Why do we have to turn the Council into one which cannot really monitor the Government effectively?
我加入議會多年，真的覺得很遺憾、沒意思，一直鬥爭下去，有甚麼好處？
I have been in this Council for many years and I really find the ongoing rivalries and contentions regretful and meaningless . Will they bring any advantages to us?
最後的結果是維護了一些既得利益者，容許他們不斷增長自己的既得利益，而不是解決社會的矛盾。
As a consequence people with vested interests can be benefited as they can keep on accumulating their vested interests whereas social conflicts are still unresolved
大家知道香港現時面對深刻的社會矛盾......希望大家真的盡力，互讓互諒，解決問題。
We all know that Hong Kong is at present facing deep - rooted social conflicts I hope that with mutual understanding and mutual accommodation we can really try our best to solve the problems
我們也感受到，這莊嚴議會大廳所要繼承的是一種很重要的議會傳統，但今天這種討論讓我們感到非常悲傷。
We are all aware that what this solemn Chamber is supposed to inherit is a parliamentary tradition of immense significance . But this kind of discussion today saddens us a great deal
我們知道這本《議事規則》是在累積多年議會經驗後制訂的，它可以協助我們在此不會被置於一個沒有法紀可以遵循的狀態，我們有一套方法告訴我們，我們發言的次序、長短，以及每一項議案的處理方式該如何，我們每一個人和每位議員在此擁有的權利是甚麼。
The Rules of Procedure was written after the accumulation of long years of parliamentary experience . With a set of rules governing our speaking order and time the handling of every type of motions and the rights of every Member here it can help us avoid a state of having no rules to follow
《議事規則》是當我們被選進入議會成為議員後規定我們每一個人和議員 的權利和義務的重要依據。
The Rules of Procedure forms an important basis governing the rights and obligations all of us once we are elected as Members of the Legislative Council
所以，如果要改變《議事規則》，應該要經過一個很審慎的程序。
Therefore any changes to the Rules of Procedure must be preceded by a very prudent process
他說當時他們把《議事規則》由英文翻譯成中文，是一個相當漫長及審慎的過程。
He said that the process of translating the Standing Orders from English to Chinese years back was a long and prudent one
這個漫長的醞釀及很審慎的過程非常重要。
According to him a long and prudent process to mull over the whole thing was very important
可是，大家回顧我們現正經歷的對《議事規則》49項修改用了多長的時間醞釀？
However in the case of the 49 amendments to the Rules of Procedure now for how long have we mulled over them?
這些現象其實也是呈現議會敗壞非常重要的跡象。
Actually these are important signs of how the legislature has degenerated
我們在此反對今次修訂《議事規則》是希望能夠挽回這種局面，我很希望在座所有議員也能再認真思考，究竟我們現在做的事是正在幫助議會所謂的重回正軌，還是進一步加以摧毀？
We oppose the proposed amendments to the Rules of Procedure this time around because we want to reverse the situation . I really hope all the Members present in this Chamber now can seriously consider the effect of what we are doing right now whether it can really help the legislature get back to the right track as claimed and whether it will in fact damage the legislature further
就修改《議事規則》而言，我認為最少有3個原則：第一，尊重少數。
Speaking of amending the Rules of Procedure I think there are at least three principles we should observe . First we should respect the minority
所以，議會需要更多人而不是一個人，便是因為我們希望在這麼多人當中，能夠通過人數反映到民意。
Hence a legislature needs the participation of many people instead of just a handful because it is hoped that a large number of participants can reflect public opinions
與行政機構不同，行政機構需要一個主意，但在這裏，我們需要不同的聲音，不同的聲音能夠互相制衡。
The legislature is unlike the executive in the sense that the latter must make a single decision but here in the legislature we need the expression different voices to achieve checks and balances
尊重少數是第一個重要的原則。
Thus the first important principle is to respect the minority
第二，尊重既有法制。
Second we must respect our existing workings prescribed by the law
在今次修改的過程中，我們連很多基本的法制甚至《議事規則》已清楚訂明的條文也照樣違反，我相信這種做法在我們的議會歷史中從未經歷過。
The process of making amendments this time around has breached many basic rules of our workings and even various provisions of the Rules of Procedure . I believe this is unprecedented in the history of our legislature
第三，正如我剛才所說，必須要有充分時間醞釀，盡力商議，爭取共識。
Third as I have said we must spend enough time on mulling over the proposed amendments and seeking a consensus through negotiations
我們應該給自己足夠時間演繹和討論。
We should give ourselves sufficient time for interpreting and discussing the amendments
此外，我們每一個人現在只得15分鐘就49項修訂發言，這亦是非常荒謬的安排。
Moreover each of us is given only 15 minutes to speak on the 49 amendments . This is really a very absurd arrangement
主席，我今次就廖長江議員提出的一些修訂決議案提出了兩項修正案，包括有關呈請書的門檻，以及法案三讀的安排。
President I have moved two amendments to Mr Martin LIAOs resolution including the threshold for supporting a petition to stand and the procedure of Third Reading
這兩項如此重要的事情，我只能各項用約4至5分鐘來論述而已，當然是無法說清楚。第一，有關呈請書的門檻。
These two issues are so important but I can only spend four to five minutes on each of them so I naturally cannot make my points clear
我認為廖議員修訂呈請人數提升至35人這種做法完全不恰當，我認為應修訂為整個議會人數的四分之一。
First about the threshold of supporting a petition I maintain that Mr Martin LIAOs proposed amendment which seeks to increase the number of supporting Members to 35 is totally inappropriate . I maintain that the number should be reduced to one quarter of all Members of the Council
很簡單，今早廖長江議員已作解釋，雖然他說出一個很重要的原因，但他的答案卻完全不適當。
My reason here is very simple . This morning Mr Martin LIAO explained his amendment . He gave an important reason but his explanation was totally inappropriate
如果我們繼續保留呈請書的做法已落伍，那我想請廖長江議員貫徹他的邏輯，如果他認為應仿效英國的做法，我們應把呈請的做法做得更開放，而不是好像他們現在建議的修訂般收得更緊。
If Mr Martin LIAO really thinks that the presentation of petition is already outdated and we should not retain it then I must ask him to apply this line of reasoning consistently . If he thinks that we should follow the practice of the United Kingdom he should support the idea of further liberalizing the presentation of petitions instead of putting forward a proposal of tightening the requirements
他說英國的做法是已開放給公眾進行呈請，我們則收歸建制派自己壟斷呈請的可能性，其他的人可以提出呈請嗎？
He says that the United Kingdom has adopted the practice of allowing members of the public to present petitions . But in our case now the pro - establishment camp instead seeks to concentrate all power and possibility of presenting a petition to itself . Can others present a petition in that case?
如果他說這是我們落後，他是否採取更落後的做法？
If he says our practice is outdated can I ask him whether what he proposes is even more so?
我們不單看英國，我們也看看德國，根據德國的《基本法》第四十四條，德國的聯邦議會有成立調查委員會的權力，需要多少名議員提出呢？
Besides looking at the United Kingdom we may also look at Germany . Under Article 44 of the Basic Law for the Federal Republic of Germany the Bundestag is empowered to set up committees of inquiry . What is the number of Bundestag members required for raising one such proposal?
只需四分之一的議員提出便可成立調查委員會的權力，原因很簡單，因為如果多數派在議會內才有調查權力，怎可能會調查自己呢？
The reason for this is very simple . Suppose only the majority in the legislature can invoke the power of inquiry how can it be expected to investigate itself?
如果我們的制衡目的是希望制衡執政者，在政府中有任何腐敗的問題或其他行政失當的問題，議會一定要賦予少數派實際的權力，讓少數派能夠提出。
If we are to check those in power and uncover government corruption and maladministration the minority in the legislature must be vested with certain real powers to make such proposals
如果連由20人提出，以呈請書的方式，這麼弱的方式，他們也要閹割，立法會監察政府的能力便會大大削減。
So if they strip us of even this very small power of presenting a petition with 20 supporting Members the power of the Legislative Council to monitor the Government will be further curtailed very drastically . The pro - establishment camp says that it wants to combat filibuster
所以，主席，我很希望建制派能夠接納我的建議，將呈請書的人數限制，不是提高至35人，而是放在四分之一的水平上。
President I hope the pro - establishment camp can accept my advice . I hope that instead of raising the number of Members supporting a petition to 35 they can pitch at just one fourth of all Members
第二個問題，我想談談有關法案三讀時不容辯論的安排而提出的修訂。
The second thing I want to discuss is the amendment that seeks to forbid any debate during the Third Reading of a Bill
主席，廖長江議員提出這個安排，我想一開始能夠就着主席你本人的處理方式提出意見，因為這議案的安排，是沒有經過"三部曲"的處理方式。
But President before going into the arrangement Mr Martin LIAO proposes I first want to say a few words on how you have handled the matter . The reason is that Mr LIAOs proposed arrangement has not gone through the three steps you require
主席，我們今天早上已討論過，你的決定是最終決定，但你的決定是可以被批評、被討論。
President as we said in the discussion this morning your rulings are certainly final but that does not mean that they cannot be criticized and discussed