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這些都是政府應有之義，因為我們的財政儲備就是長者年青時打拼得來的。
These are the due obligations of the Government because our fiscal reserve has been hard - earned by the elderly persons when they were young
主席，政府統計處在6月初公布了中期人口統計報告，指出2016年按原本每月住戶收入編製的堅尼系數為0.539，其惡劣情況是45年來的新高。
President according to the results of the population by - census released by the Census and Statistics Department CSD in early June the Gini Coefficient based on original monthly household income rose to the record high of 0.539 in 2016 the worst situation ever in 45 years
當中原因除了在財富再分配方面出現嚴重錯配外，另一個重要因素是香港人口老化，沒有收入或收入不多的長者家庭數目增加。
As regards the reasons for it in addition to a serious mismatch in terms of wealth redistribution another key factor is an ageing population in Hong Kong with a rise in the number of elderly households with no or little income
如我們不能有效回應人口老化的挑戰，相信堅尼系數還會進一步擴大，社會的貧富懸殊將更趨嚴重。
If we fail to respond to the challenges posed by an ageing population effectively it is believed that the Gini Coefficient will be pushed up further thereby aggravating the wealth gap in society
上任特首梁振英在發表施政報告時指出不會落實民間爭取已久、沒有資產審查、不論貧富的全民退休保障制度，而只會把資源集中給有需要的人。
As pointed out by former Chief Executive LEUNG Chun - ying when he delivered his policy address instead of implementing a universal non - means - tested retirement protection system equally applicable to all the elderly regardless of them being rich or poor which had long been demanded for by the community the Government would only direct resources to those in need
我不認同這種說法，因為退休保障原則上應是一種權利。
I do not subscribe to this view because retirement protection should be a right in principle
香港能取得今天的成就，是數十年來長者付出青春及汗水換來的成果。
Hong Kong owes much of its achievements today to the decades - long sweat and toil of our elderly in the prime of their life
當長者青春不再，社會為他們提供生活基本保障是應有之義。
The community is duty - bound to provide them with a means of basic subsistence when they are no longer young
事實上，如設立一個有資產審查的方案，不但會篩走未符合資產限額的長者，更變相減低市民的儲蓄意欲，違背了以儲蓄作為退休保障支柱的原則。
In fact introducing a means - tested option will not only screen out those elderly who do not meet the prescribed limit of assets but also in effect reduce the incentive for people to keep savings running counter to the principle of relying on savings as one of the pillars for retirement protection
扶貧委員會在2016年發表的退休保障諮詢報告中亦表示較多意見支持"不論貧富"的原則，我不在此重複當中的論點。
The Commission on Poverty also indicated in its consultation report on retirement protection released in 2016 that a larger number of opinions supported the regardless of rich or poor principle and I will not repeat its arguments here
我希望新一屆政府能在全民退保的大前提下，共同商議切實可行的方案。
I hope the new - term Government will work out a practicable option on the premise of universal retirement protection together
我所屬的港九勞工社團聯會支持一個由三方供款的全民退保方案，先由政府一筆過投放1,000億元作啟動基金，再由僱主及僱員每月固定供款。
The Federation of Hong Kong and Kowloon Labour Unions FLU to which I belong supports a universal retirement protection option with tripartite contributions with a lump sum of 100 billion allocated by the Government first as a start - up fund to be followed by regular monthly contributions by employers and employees
政府在2015-2016年度的財政預算案中表示，會預留500億元承擔改善長者退休保障。
As stated by the Government in the 2015 - 2016 Budget it will set aside 50 billion for the purpose of providing better retirement protection for the elderly
我促請政府妥善運用款項，並額外增加資源，起動免資產審查的全民退休保障計劃。
I urge the Government to make good use of the funds and provide additional resources to launch a universal non - means - tested retirement protection scheme
現時，由僱主和僱員共同供款的強制性公積金計劃並不能保障市民退休後的基本生活需要。
At present the Mandatory Provident Fund MPF System with contributions from both employers and employees cannot provide people with a means of basic subsistence after retirement
更甚者，強積金最大的缺失是把非在職人口如家庭照顧者和失業者完全排除在退休保障的範圍外。
Even worse the greatest deficiency of MPF is its total exclusion of the non - working population such as family carers and the unemployed from the coverage of retirement protection
根據政府統計處的資料，在2015年，全港家庭照顧者達65萬人，其中有30%的人口已達55至64歲，他們的退休保障權益完全被忽視。
According to the statistics published by CSD in 2015 the number of family carers across the territory stood at 650 000 with 30 % of it being people aged between 55 and 64 whose rights and interests in terms of retirement protection have been completely neglected
勞聯早前已提出建議，以最低工資作起步點，由政府為非在職及非全日制學生的勞動人口承擔強積金每月的最低供款。
FLU has earlier proposed that the Government should make the minimum monthly MPF contribution for persons in the labour force who are neither in employment nor engaged in full - time studies with the minimum wage as the starting point
如以現時最低工資時薪34.5元及每周標準工時44小時計算，每月供款額為303.6元，便可讓社會上不同崗位的人士也老有所依。
On the basis of the existing minimum wage at an hourly rate of 34.5 and the number of standard working hours at 44 per week a monthly contribution of 303.6 will serve to give people in different positions in society a sense of security when they grow old
在退休保障問題上，我不能不提及取消強積金對沖機制。
On the issue of retirement protection I cannot leave out the abolition of the MPF offsetting mechanism
我歡迎特首林鄭月娥放棄上屆政府固執己見的處事作風，重新考慮調整政府提出的取消強積金對沖機制的建議。
I welcome Chief Executive Carrie LAMs abandonment of the obstinate approach in handling things adopted by the previous term of Government revisiting the possibility of fine - tuning the Governments proposal of abolishing the MPF offsetting mechanism
但我必須重申，僱員權益和退休保障不能混為一談。
But I must reiterate that employees rights and benefits are not to be confused with retirement protection
在改善僱員權益的同時又拉既有權益的倒車，這種做法並不合理。
Improving employees rights and benefits while undermining those that already exist is not a reasonable approach
我促請政府在取消強積金對沖的同時，亦不能損害僱員的應有權益。
I urge the Government to refrain from undermining employees legitimate rights and benefits while abolishing the MPF offsetting mechanism
主席，香港是高度繁榮的國際大都會，但在繁華背後卻是不少長者長年在勞工保障不足的社會、惡劣的工作環境下從事低工資、長工時的工作換取的成果。
President Hong Kong is an international metropolis with a high degree of prosperity . But such prosperity is built on many elderly people doing low - pay jobs of long hours in our society with inadequate labour protection and a poor working environment over the years
香港得享今天的繁榮，虧欠了他們很多。
Hong Kong owes much of its present prosperity to them
我支持全民退休保障制度，讓我們的長者能安度晚年。
I support a universal retirement protection system under which our elderly may lead a secure life in their twilight years
代理主席，首先我感謝梁國雄議員提出有關全民退休保障的議案。
First of all Deputy President I thank Mr LEUNG Kwok - hung for proposing the motion on universal retirement protection
這項議案不單關乎福利和保障，亦關乎社會公義的問題。
This motion concerns not only welfare and protection but also social justice
代理主席，容許我談談哲學。
Deputy President allow me to talk about philosophy
哲學家John RAWLS曾提出名為"無知之幕"的理論，指出當我們要討論應如何分配社會資源和建立一套社會保障制度時，便一定要看看我們每個人是否知道自己的出身，例如有些人不知道自己的父親是否李嘉誠或大富翁還是家境貧窮、自己的能力如何、自己的身體是健全還是殘障，又或自己的運數如何。
According to the theory veil of ignorance put forward by philosopher John RAWLS when we discuss how to distribute resources in society and establish a social security system we must look at whether every one of us knows our own origins . For example some people do not know whether they were born to LI Ka - shing or a wealthy father or of humble origins what their abilities are whether they are able - bodied or physically impaired or what their fortune is
當所有人也不知道自己的出身背景和能力時，大家又怎能討論應如何分配社會資源和保障弱勢人士呢？
When all of us are ignorant about our own origins backgrounds and abilities how can we possibly discuss ways to distribute resources in society and protect the disadvantaged?
另一個極端就如理想的社會主義般，生、老、病、死，一切均由國家保障，但香港的情況亦非如此。
Another extreme is utopian socialism under which peoples birth ageing illness and death are all under the wings of their State . But again this does not apply to Hong Kong
因此，大家也傾向保障處於最劣勢而又最弱勢的一群。
Hence we tend to protect the most disadvantaged in the most disadvantageous position
現時香港的制度有何不足之處呢？
What are the inadequacies of the existing systems of Hong Kong?
大家也知道，我是北區區議員，亦是新界東地區直選議員。
As Members may know I am a North District Council member and directly - elected Member of the New Territories East geographical constituency
我看到現時有很多市民即使生活得相當困難，但也不想領取綜援，為甚麼呢？
I see that at present many people are reluctant to apply for CSSA even if they live a hard life . Why?
因為所謂"綜援養懶人"的標籤令很多人即使有實際需要，也寧願靠自己。
Because to avoid being labelled lazybones nurtured by CSSA many in genuine need would rather stand on their own feet
很多單親媽媽也要做很多艱苦的工作，甚至是出賣尊嚴的工作。
A number of single - parent mothers have to work many tough jobs or even jobs that subject them to indignity
我亦看到一些長者即使已年屆七八十歲或八九十歲又駝背，仍要撿拾紙皮。
I have also seen some stooped elderly in their 70s to 80s or 80s to 90s who still have to collect cardboards
因為他們仍有少許積蓄，未必符合 領取綜援的資格。
It is because they may not be eligible recipients of CSSA as they still have a little savings
以往有"衰仔紙"制度，他們不想子女簽"衰仔紙"，又或者他們認為自己仍有能力，故不想申請政府的援助，希望能自食其力。
There was a bad son statement system in the past . As they do not want their children to sign the bad son statement or consider that they are still capable they are reluctant to apply for government assistance hoping that they can stand on their own feet
但我認為這樣對社會而言其實相當不健康，亦不符合我心目中的公義社會。
But I actually do not consider it a healthy sign to our society and it has also fallen short of the kind of social justice that I have in mind
但我能夠指出的一點是政府多年來的盈餘估算也是錯誤的，而且錯得很離譜。
But there has been one certainty over the years I must add namely the Governments budget surplus predictions have been wrong and wide of the mark
在這種情況下，既然有百多名學者均提出這個方案，其實是否應該考慮一下呢？
Against this backdrop while such a proposal is backed by some 100 scholars should it actually not be given some thought?
代理主席，最後我想對建制派的議員說，縱使他們想反對全民退休保障，我希望他們也不要在此扣帽子，不要動輒談到甚麼民粹主義、福利主義，又或如盧偉國議員般說我們是為了一時的掌聲或選票。
Deputy President I have one final remark for Members from the pro - establishment camp . I hope that they though intending to oppose universal retirement protection will not resort to labelling here carry populism or welfarism whatsoever on their lips as their pet phrase or echo Ir Dr LO Wai - kwoks view that we are doing this in order to win momentary kudos or votes
我希望建制派的議員考慮一下，如果他們是John RAWLS的理論所指的弱勢社群的一員，試想想自己在香港辛勞工作二三十年，但子女無法供養自己；自己有少許積蓄，卻不能領取綜援；自己在晚年時沒有任何收入，要靠"棺材本"維生，省吃儉用，心情將非常彷徨。
I hope Members from the pro - establishment camp may give it some thought . They may try to imagine that they are among the disadvantaged referred to by John RAWLS in his theory . If they find that after two or three decades of toil in Hong Kong their children are unable to support them; they have a little savings yet ineligible to receive CSSA; with no income they have to live on their funeral money and lead a frugal life in their twilight years they can hardly have any sense of security
但如每月可發放數千元的退休保障，其實便能協助長者改善生活。
Nevertheless if the elderly are offered a monthly grant of a few thousand dollars as retirement protection they can actually live a better life
代理主席，在發言之初，我十分感謝民間一群來自爭取全民退休保障聯席的朋友，我認為他們是香港最有毅力進行請願的朋友。
Deputy President at the beginning of my speech I wish to express my gratitude to a group of friends from the Alliance for Universal Pension . I think they are the most persevering petitioners in Hong Kong
他們當中大部分是長者，每一次他們都把握機會討論香港早已有共識的全民退休保障，他們把握每個機會表達訴求，希望制訂這個制度，真正做到老有所養，讓香港的長者能透過全民退休保障的制度獲得基本的尊重。
Most of them are elderly people and they have seized the opportunity of every discussion on the issue of universal retirement protection on which a consensus has long been reached in Hong Kong . They have seized every opportunity to express their aspirations in the hope that this system will be established so that the objective of fostering a sense of security among the elderly can be truly achieved and the elderly in Hong Kong can earn basic respect through the universal retirement protection system
他們很厲害，我每一次都會稱讚他們，他們也經常開玩笑說他們的行動的最終得益者可能不是他們自己，但他們說了一句很重要、很動人的話，便是確立制度是為了服務未來的香港人，包括在座的每一位，也包括社會上不同人士，不論是嬰兒、小孩、年青人或長者。
These elderly are awesome and I commended them every time they staged a petition . They often said jokingly that they themselves might not be the ultimate beneficiaries of their actions but then they made a remark which is very important and touching . They said that the establishment of the system is to serve the people of Hong Kong in future including every one of us in this Chamber and also different members of the community be they babies children youngsters or the elderly
在我們最有機會、最有能力建立這個制度時，香港政府在做甚麼呢？
When we have the best chance and the best conditions to establish this system what is the Hong Kong Government doing?
香港政府對問題視而不見。
The Hong Kong Government has turned a blind eye to the problem
新一屆政府說要修補社會撕裂，那麼請先處理這個最能服務香港長者的退休保障，向長者表示最基本的敬意，不要以甚麼資產審查來對他們施加限制。
The new - term Government stressed the need to mend the rift in society . Then please do something about retirement protection that can best serve the elderly in Hong Kong in order to pay the most basic tribute to the elderly instead of imposing restrictions on them by making them take a means test or whatever
有錢興建"大白象"工程、有錢讓工程超支、有錢做很多好大喜功的事，卻沒錢服務長者？
There is money for developing white elephants projects there is money to allow cost overruns in works projects and there is money to do many things to crave for greatness and success but there is none to serve the elderly?
何其悲涼。
How pathetic and pitiful it is
代理主席，要管治香港這個彈丸之地，民生工作做得不好，自然會引起社會相當大的躁動不安。
Deputy President concerning the governance of this small place of Hong Kong a failure to properly take care of the peoples livelihood will naturally give rise to extensive turbulence and confrontations in society
故人不獨親其親，不獨子其子，使老有所終，壯有所用，幼有所長，鰥、寡、孤、獨、廢疾者皆有所養，男有分，女有歸。
Thus men did not love their parents only nor treat as children only their own sons . A competent provision was secured for the aged till their death employment for the able - bodied and the means of growing up to the young . They showed kindness and compassion to widows orphans childless men and those who were disabled by disease so that they were all sufficiently maintained
他們建立了今時今日的香港，而我們能夠為他們做甚麼呢？
They have contributed to building todays Hong Kong but what can we do for them?
便是在制度上幫助那些為這座城市付出大半生，如今要退休並想得到合適保障制度的人。
We should by institutional means provide assistance to those people who have contributed the better part of their lives for this city people who have to retire now and wish to access a system of suitable protection
抑或要令他們由於有"棺材本"而不敢申請長者生活津貼？
Or do the authorities want them to be deterred from applying for the Old Age Living Allowance because they have some funeral money?
要真正令各階層安享晚年，老有所歸，退休保障是廣大市民的權利，而非福利，也不是扶貧方向。
To truly enable elderly people from various sectors of the community to enjoy their old age peacefully and comfortably with a sense of belonging retirement protection should be considered a right of the general public not a kind of welfare and less so a direction of poverty alleviation
代理主席，全民老年金並非新鮮事物，1990年代初期，香港已有很多討論。
Deputy President a universal Demo - grant is not a novel thing . In the early 1990s there were already a lot of discussions in Hong Kong . At that time the Mandatory Provident Fund MPF System had yet been put in place
當時，香港尚未有強制性公積金制度，香港人擔心退休的問題，也要面對退休保障的問題。
The people of Hong Kong were worried about their retirement and faced the question of retirement protection
1993年12月，當時的港英政府向立法局提出建議，採用強制性供款的老年退休金計劃，向所有合資格的長者每月發放固定金額的退休金。
In December 1993 the then Hong Kong - British Government proposed to the then Legislative Council the adoption of the compulsory contributory Old Age Pension Scheme OPS that would provide a flat - rate monthly pension for all eligible elderly people
其後，政府在1994年7月發表題為《生活有保障、晚年可安享―香港的老年退休金計劃》諮詢文件，就老年退休金計劃徵詢公眾意見。
The Government subsequently published in July 1994 a consultation paper entitled Taking the Worry out of Growing Old―An Old Age Pension Scheme for Hong Kong to seek public comments on OPS
諮詢文件建議，所有年滿65歲或以上的合資格居民將可以每月領取退休金，金額約為工資中位數的30%。
In the consultation paper it was proposed that all eligible residents aged 65 or above would receive a monthly pension equivalent to roughly 30 % of the median wage
擬議供款率為僱員收入的3%，由僱主和僱員平均分擔。
The suggested contribution rate was 3 % of an employees income to be shared equally between the employee and his or her employer
當時，政府甚至計劃注資100億港元成立資金，70歲以上人士無須作資產審查；而年齡介乎65歲至69歲而未有供款的人士，資產限額為200萬元，這是在1994年以港元計算，但很可惜，無奈當時商界大力反對，指措施會令香港成為福利之都，所以計劃最終未能實行。
At that time the Government even planned to make a capital injection of HK10 billion as a start - up fund . Residents aged 70 and above would not be subject to a means test whereas those aged between 65 and 69 who had not made any contributions would be subject to an asset limit of 2 million calculated in Hong Kong dollars of 1994 . But regrettably due to strong opposition from the business sector which alleged that this measure would turn Hong Kong into a welfare metropolis the proposed OPS eventually did not come to fruition
回到主題，如果我們承認香港的每一位長者都值得尊敬，他們真的以自己的黃金青春建立今時今日的香港，為甚麼政府要對他們進行資產審查呢？
Coming back to the theme of the motion if we admit that each and every elderly person in Hong Kong deserves respect as they really contributed their prime to building todays Hong Kong why does the Government have to make them take a means test?
政府說如果不這樣做，情況會很難控制，但如果政府真的敬重每一位長者，便應立即推行免審查的全民退休保障，這樣便能真正做到老有所依......
The Government said that if no means test is required the situation would hardly be brought under control but if the Government truly respects each and every elderly person it should immediately introduce a non - means - tested universal retirement protection scheme
主席，香港社會為了退休保障制度爭議了數十年，當年放棄涵蓋所有長者的老年退休金計劃，最終推行了強制性公積金計劃。
President the dispute over the retirement protection system has lasted for a few decades in the community in Hong Kong . Back then the authorities gave up the Old Age Pension Scheme and the Mandatory Provident Fund MPF System was eventually implemented
強積金計劃在立法會也經過多場激辯，之後政府再進行諮詢。
After several rounds of heated debate in the Legislative Council the Government then conducted another consultation exercise on the MPF System
數據顯示不分貧富計劃的可持續性成疑，亦會攤分了有需要長者應得的資源。
According to the figures people doubted the sustainability of schemes not taking into account the financial status of the elderly and worried that resources to be provided to the elderly in need would be depleted
很多論據大家也耳熟能詳，時間所限，我便不在此重複。
Since many of the arguments mentioned are familiar to Members I will not repeat them in view of the time constraint
兜兜轉轉，今天這項議案想帶香港走回頭路，改一個名字推行全民退保，究其原因，並非背後的理性考慮因素有甚麼重大改變，而是民粹主義和福利主義抬頭。
We have been going round in circles . The motion today is leading Hong Kong to backtrack seeking to introduce universal retirement protection after a mere change of name . This approach originated not from any significant change in factors of consideration based on rational analyses but the rise of populism and welfarism
主席，我完全支持社會公義，支持適切地大力幫助有需要的退休人士。
President I fully support social justice . I also support making vigorous efforts to provide proper assistance to retirees in need
可是，社會公義有別於福利主義，這項議案把長者貧窮和退休保障的複雜課題混為一談，錯誤地把全民退保當成萬應靈丹，其實便是閉起雙眼，完全無視真實的世界，把香港推向福利主義，卻隻字不提整體社會要為福利主義付出的高昂代價，這是相當不負責的。
However social justice differs from welfarism . This motion confuses the complicated subjects of elderly poverty and retirement protection wrongly presenting universal retirement protection as the antidote to the problem . In fact the sponsor has turned a blind eye to the situation in the real world blindly pushing Hong Kong to welfarism without mentioning the high cost to be borne by society as a whole on adopting welfarism
主席，何謂真實世界呢？
This is quite irresponsible . President what is the situation in the real world?
老齡化並非香港獨有的問題，全球不同國家的退休保障制度，其實也正面對前所未有的嚴峻挑戰。
The problem of population ageing is not unique to Hong Kong . The retirement protection systems adopted by countries around the world are facing unprecedentedly critical challenges
世界經濟論壇近月發表的研究報告指出，自上世紀中葉人類的壽命不斷延長，今年出生的嬰兒預期普遍壽命可達100歲，65歲以上長者人口會由6億人增至2050年的21億人，增加3倍以上。
According to a study report published by the World Economic Forum a few months ago the life expectancy of mankind has been extending since the middle of the last century . It is projected that babies born this year will have a life expectancy of more than 100 years in general . The number of elderly aged over 65 will increase three times from 600 million to 2.1 billion in 2050
目前，每1名長者由8個在職人士供養，屆時會減至只有4名在職人士供養。
At present one elderly person is supported by eight workers yet it will drop to four workers supporting one elderly person by then
主席，其實道理很簡單，要維持高福利的社會制度，就需要徵收重稅，但這樣會打擊勞動力積極性和影響營商環境，導致私人企業萎縮和經濟停滯不前，1970年代的英國就是一個典型例子。
To maintain a social system providing a high level of welfare benefits heavy tax must be levied . Yet this will undermine the participation incentive of the labour force and affect the business environment causing shrinkage of private enterprises and leaving the economy in the doldrums . The case of the United Kingdom in the 1970s is a typical example
問題是，即使政府願意加稅，現實可能都不容許。
At issue is that even if the Government hopes to increase tax this may not be practicable in reality
好像日本為了支付國民年金計劃的撥款，在2012年通過分兩階段把銷售稅由5%加到10%，但在首階段2014年把銷售稅增加到8%後，國民消費就下跌，觸發日本經濟陷入衰退，結果第二階段的實施時間一拖再拖，最新的說法是會推遲至2019年。
As in the case of Japan an increase of sales tax from 5 % to 10 % in two phases was passed in 2012 to cover the provision for its National Pension Scheme . Yet when the sales tax was increased to 8 % in 2014 in the first phase domestic spending dropped and the Japanese economy fell into recession . As a result the second phase of sales tax increase has been postponed time and again
反觀香港，強積金制度已推行16年，200多萬名僱員已為退休展開儲蓄和投資，對於收費高等問題固然要繼續處理。
According to the latest report the increase will be postponed to 2019 . Back to Hong Kong the MPF System has been implemented for 16 years and over 2 million employees have started saving and investing for their retirement . It is true that the concern of exorbitant management fees should be addressed continuously
至於強積金對沖機制，上屆政府已經作出方向性的決定，今屆政府亦表示會重新聆聽勞資意見，尋求共識，希望各界在和衷共濟的情況下，盡快找到大家也滿意的解決方案。
As for the offsetting mechanism of MPF the previous Government determined the direction . The incumbent Government has expressed the intention of consulting the views of employers and employees again with a view to fostering a consensus hoping that a solution to the satisfaction of all sectors may be identified expeditiously with this joint effort
對於有需要的長者，社會保障的覆蓋率達到74%，共91萬名長者受惠，如果仍有需要優化之處，大可以再提出來。
For the elderly in need the coverage of social security is 74 % benefiting 910 000 elderly recipients . If enhancement is necessary it can be raised
主席，最重要的是，香港奉行資本主義，市民重視自力更生，充滿拼搏精神，因此過去創下了經濟奇蹟。
President the most important point is that Hong Kong practises capitalism and the public give high regard to self - reliance and are filled with the can - do spirit and these have enabled the miraculous economic achievements in the past
《基本法》第一百零八條亦訂明，香港實行低稅政策。
As stipulated in Article 108 of the Basic Law Hong Kong shall implement the low tax policy
面對人口老化，我們更要保持這些競爭優勢，有何理由要反其道而行之，走向福利主義，為自己製造一個財務計時炸彈呢？
In the face of the ageing population we have to maintain our competitive edges . Why should we act in the opposite and head towards welfarism thereby creating a fiscal time bomb for us? . These are the truths behind all this and we must tell them clearly to the people of Hong Kong
我們必須向香港人清楚說明這些背後的真相，否則先有最低工資，繼而再推全民退保和標準工時立法等，高福利主義政策會不斷"斬件式"地在香港推出，莫讓港人一覺醒來才驚覺香港已經變成一個福利社會，到時便恨錯難返。
If not policies offering a high level of welfare benefits will be introduced in Hong Kong one after the other following the minimum wage universal retirement protection and legislation on standard working hours . By then the people of Hong Kong will wake up seeing Hong Kong having been turned into a society of welfarism in a shock . We will then be haunted by regret in the face of the irreversible situation
主席，我發言支持梁國雄議員的議案，以及郭偉强議員的修正案。
President I speak in support of Mr LEUNG Kwok - hungs motion and Mr KWOK Wai - keungs amendment
對於梁志祥議員的修正案，工聯會是不能夠支持的，因為在梁志祥議員的修正案中，他刪去了"全民免經濟審查及劃一金額的全民退休保障制度"，亦刪去了"取消以強積金僱主供款部分的累算權益對沖遣散費及長期服務金"，改為"促使勞資雙方在強積金對沖機制的問題上達成共識"，這便是勞工界一直的擔心。
The Hong Kong Federation of Trade Unions FTU cannot support Mr LEUNG Che - cheungs amendment because Mr LEUNG Che - cheung proposes to delete implement the establishment of a non - means - tested universal retirement protection system with uniform payment and abolishing the arrangement of using the accrued benefits derived from employers MPF contributions to offset severance payments and long service payments and also because he proposes to substitute them with facilitating employees and employers to reach a consensus on the issue of the MPF offsetting mechanism . That is something the labour sector has been worrying all along