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正如早前他在那個集會裏面說了這句說話後，他是有反覆。
Given two polarized handling methods he actually could advance for attacking or recoil for defending just like the flip - flopping remarks he made at and after that rally
他曾經試圖淡化字眼，亦試圖進取，即確認說對於搞"港獨"的人，不殺有何用。
He has tried to play down the wording and also attempted to be aggressive by affirming that advocates of Hong Kong independence should be killed
主席，我發言反對陳克勤議員的議案，事實上，我想了很久，民主黨亦想了很久，因為我們希望，或者說，我們是希望盡量能在不同事宜上，皆持守一個標準，我尤其要求自己一定要這樣。
President I speak to oppose Mr CHAN Hak - kans motion . In fact I have thought it over for a long time . The Democratic Party has also thought it over for a long time because we hope or put it this way we are hoping to do our best to adhere to the same standard on different issues
主席，我為甚麼反對陳克勤議員的議案？
I particularly demand myself to act in this way . President why do I oppose to Mr CHAN Hak - kans motion?
我的立論是，何議員在那個集會裏面這我不會詳細說，因為剛才很多同事已經引述過有一位司儀，或者其他講者，說出了"殺"字，然後何議員說出"無赦"兩個字。
My reasoning is that at that rally―I will not elaborate on the incident because many colleagues have already quoted it just now―the host or other speakers chanted the word kill then Dr HO who was present there added two words without mercy
有沒有可以含糊，或者可以爭辯的地方？
Is there any room for possible ambiguity or argument?
不過，從整個集會的氣氛、之前之後其他講者發言的情境、他們發言的態度、台上的司儀、或者領袖的說話、 下面群眾的回應、喊口號和握着拳頭舉起手等的行為，當時的氣氛，當司儀說出"殺"字的時候，然後何議員說出"無赦"兩個字，加上何議員後來曾經將這演繹成，支持"港獨"的人，真正不殺也沒有用。
However judging from the atmosphere of the entire rally and the contexts in which other speakers spoke the attitude adopted in their speeches the wording of the host or leaders on the stage the response of the people off stage behaviours like chanting slogans and raising their hands in fist people were embroiled in a certain state of mind . When the host chanted kill Dr HO echoed with the remark without mercy . Moreover Dr HO had later interpreted his remark as those who advocate Hong Kong independence really deserve to be killed
這樣子，我覺得整體會構成一個比較嚴重的hate crime，一個憎恨罪行、種族罪行，或者對某一類人煽動暴力，或者煽動犯法的一個罪行，這是相當嚴重。
In this way I think all this has amounted to a rather serious hate crime a crime of hatred a crime against race or a crime which incites violence among a group of people or incites crimes . This is pretty serious
但是，我確實不贊成"港獨"。
Nonetheless I really do not endorse Hong Kong independence
但是，如果真有人做這件事，我知道對於很多人，這是一件非常大逆不道的事，甚至有些老人家或前輩表示，他們會覺得他們會以命相搏。
On the other hand if there are people who really advocate this I know many would take it as a very treacherous matter . Some elderly people or predecessors have even said that they feel the urge to fight against it with their lives
正如何議員剛才的發言，他似乎說得頗清楚，我不知道他是否自比新加坡的國父，他說，如果有人要摧毀新加坡這個國家，或者說這個國度，他願意用斧頭，拿武器出來跟你搏鬥，以保護新加坡。
Just like what Dr HO has said just now he seemed to have made it quite clear . I do not know whether he is comparing himself to the founding father of Singapore who said that if anybody wanted to destroy Singapore or badmouth this country he was willing to stand out and use axes and arms to fight in order to protect Singapore
根據他這個說法，他是否想再次告訴香港人他的決心。
With these remarks does he want to spell out his determination to Hong Kong people again?
這是一個政治表達。
This is a political expression
但是，他選擇這個例子，是否同時確認，他其實願意做出當時在台上所說的"無赦"？
Yet in choosing this example has he confirmed at the same time that he is in fact willing to act without mercy as chanted on stage then?
究竟"殺無赦"，即"無赦"的回應，在"殺"的話境及前提下，究竟是他自己會這樣做，抑或希望告訴群眾，群眾都應該這樣做？
Regarding kill without mercy that is the response of without mercy on the premise and in the context of kill . Does he mean he himself would act like this or he wants to tell the masses that they should act like this? . Do not forget that I have also chanted slogans on stage at mass rallies
請記着，我也曾經在大會台上呼喊口號，雖然我不是十分擅長在這方面製造氣氛和帶領群眾情緒，但沒法子，我是立法會議員，很多時候我會有這個角色，需要發言和喊口號，儘管我不是特別擅長。
Although I am not very good at creating atmosphere or building up peoples mood in this way as a Legislative Council Member I have no choice . I have to play this role from time to time . I have to make speeches and chant slogans though Im not particularly good at it
很明顯，在一個集會裏面，在過往法庭判例裏面都看到，法院也重申，一位在台上發言的領袖，或者發言的人物，他是有一些責任。
Obviously a leader or anyone who speaks on stage in a rally is duty - bound . This is seen in court precedents and the court has also reiterated this point
他的責任就是，如果因為他一句說話，或者一個動作，而煽動了一些情緒，當然，這個情緒可能會即時產生某些暴力效果。
His responsibility is that if certain emotions are incited by a sentence that he has said or a gesture that he has made these emotions may generate some immediate violent acts
但是，確實亦有可能是，將來有人記着這一點，被感染、被感動，而做出一些大家都不想看到的犯法行為。
Furthermore for others who are influenced and moved it is possible that they would do illegal acts in future with this in mind which can be something no one would like to see
我不贊成"港獨"，如果香港有一個所謂"港獨"人士，他犯了某些罪，而這些罪或者關乎現有法例，或者將來的某些罪行，我不知道，例如所謂"二十三條"通過後的罪行。
I do not endorse Hong Kong independence . If there is a so - called advocate of Hong Kong independence in Hong Kong I do not know if he has committed certain crime be it related to existing laws or legislation ready to be enacted such as the so - called offences under Article 23 . Let me quote an example
即使剛才何議員指控我們，可能包括我在內，是"黃絲奴才"、叛國者，或者他用的字眼是我們站在叛國者一邊，我相信我不是站在叛國者一邊，或者是偽民主，實質是搞"港獨"。
Just now Dr HO has labelled us maybe including me as yellow ribbon lackeys traitors or in his words we are siding with the traitors which I believe I am not or pseudo - democrats who actually advocate Hong Kong independence . Even Dr HO is convinced so as a legislator should he have acted in that way at a rally? . One must remember that there is difference between a legislator and someone who is not
他作為議員，大家要記着，作為議員跟不是作為議員有些分別，作為議員，當然，我其實是想聽聽何議員說，他當天究竟是以律師身份出席還是甚麼，但我相信他不能避開，因為他是議員，除非他在很清楚的某一些場合確實不是以議員身份行事，否則我很難說，他當時出席集會回應那句說話時，不是以議員身份去做，或者能夠令人覺得他不是以議員身份作出這行為。
Yet I believe he cannot evade his identity of a legislator since he is one of them . Unless he is categorically acting beyond the capacity of a legislator on some particular occasions otherwise I find it very hard to say that he was not acting as a member of the legislature when he made that remark at the rally . Neither can he make people feel that he was not acting this way in the capacity of a legislator
總的來說，我覺得在集會上，是有很強的懷疑，懷疑他犯了煽動他人使用暴力，或在某些地方所指的hate crime。
On the whole I think there is a strong suspicion of him at the rally a suspicion that he has committed the offence of inciting others to use violence or hate crime as referred in other places
香港沒有嚴格以明文規定hate crime，但在外地是很清楚，而香港當然是用普通法的煽動暴力的罪行為主軸。
Hong Kong has not stipulated hate crime in a serious manner whereas other countries have it very well - defined . Of course Hong Kong mainly uses the offence of inciting persons to violence under the common law as its main axis . When Dr HO made his remarks at the rally there was a rather strong suspicion making people think that his position was as spelled out above
他沒有在這個場合特別解釋，也許他認為要比較穩妥，不想在這個時候說。
He has not particularly explained it on this occasion . Maybe he thinks that it is a more prudent approach not to address it at this point
當然，何議員有權提出他認為民主派有很多雙重標準，包括對其他議員、鄭松泰議員或其他人的所謂暴力行為。
Of course Dr HO has the right to say he considers that the democrats have had many cases of double standards including the one towards the so - called violent behaviours of other Members Dr CHENG Chung - tai or other people
坦白說，民主黨有對暴力行為或宣揚暴力的行為表示不同意，當然也有人因此說民主黨是"和理非非"，但我們被稱為"和理非非"，因為我們真的不相信暴力能夠解決問題或創造民主的條件。
Frankly speaking the Democratic Party has expressed disapproval to acts of violence or advocacy of violence . Some people therefore say that the Democratic Party is peaceful rational non - violent without foul language . We are labelled peaceful rational non - violent without foul language simply because we really do not believe that violence is a condition to resolve problems or bring about democracy
何議員對其他同事的攻擊，說他們是廢的社工等，我覺得不是今天的重點，因為如果別人在他眼中做得很錯，也不能成為他可能做錯事的理由，或令他的說法言之成理。
I think Dr HOs attack on other colleagues saying they are useless social workers is not the focus of todays debate . It is because even others have acted very badly in his eyes this cannot be the justification for his possible wrongdoing or give sense to his remarks
主席，我覺得反對"港獨"是有其基礎，但我也奉勸一些人，如果他真的很激烈，甚至可能包括或隱含暴力時，這是否有利於促使更多人"反港獨"？
President I think there is a basis for opposition against Hong Kong independence . However I also have a word of advice for some people . If a person is too aggressive even to the extent of inclusion or implication of violence would this be conducive to soliciting more people to oppose Hong Kong independence?
我認識部分過往比較溫和的泛民支持者，他們真的因為何議員或其同路人這樣的行為，而同情和多了支持"港獨"。
I know some pan - democratic supporters who used to be relatively modest have shown more sympathy and support for advocates of Hong Kong independence purely because of those acts of Dr HO and his allies
主席，我發言支持陳克勤議員提出，"不得就譴責議案再採取任何行動"的議案。
President I speak in support of the motion moved by Mr CHAN Hak - kan that no further action be taken on the censure motion
我支持的最主要原因，是毛孟靜議員的譴責議案把一件"莫須有"的事件無限放大。
The most major reason of mine for supporting it is that the censure motion of Ms Claudia MO has magnified an unjustifiable issue indefinitely
只是有人把台上另一位嘉賓所說的"殺"字，與何議員隨後所說的"無赦"兩個字連在一起，硬要放進何議員的口中，說"殺無赦"3個字全是何議員說的。
It was only someone who put together the word kill uttered by a guest and the two words without mercy said by Dr HO subsequently and insisted to put all the words into Dr HOs mouth saying that the three words kill without mercy were all said by Dr HO
不過，主席，兩個字、4個字，甚或6個字又怎樣？有些人殺得性起的時候，便不會放過你。
President be it two characters four or even six characters those who are filled with the lust to kill will not let you go
所以，繼續有人到廉政公署，質疑何議員發出失實聲明，更到大學追究其作為校董的言責。
Hence some people go to ICAC to report that Dr HO has made false declaration and some even go to a university to ask for an investigation into the accountability of his speech as he is a Council member of the university
毛孟靜議員提出此項議案，我懷疑其真正目的是要轉移視線，包庇"港獨"分子及佔中黑手戴耀廷。
I suspect that the real purpose for Ms Claudia MO to move this motion is to divert the focus so as to harbour those Hong Kong independence advocates and Prof Benny TAI who manipulated the Occupy Central movement behind the scene
反對派互相包庇早有前科，事件亦突顯了他們的虛偽和雙重標準。
The opposition parties have had many cases of harbouring each other and the present incident also highlights their hypocrisy and double standards
記得在去年10月，立法會譴責鄭松泰議員倒插國旗和區旗。
In October last year the Legislative Council condemned Dr CHENG Chung - tai for putting the national and SAR flags upside down
當時反對派議員說甚麼？
What did the opposition parties say then?
他們說，立法會真的不應該浪費時間譴責議員。
They said the Legislative Council really should not waste time on condemning Members
而我亦曾經在上屆，要求譴責遭警方檢控及被法庭定罪的前議員黃毓民。
In the last term I also requested to condemn Mr WONG Yuk - man for being prosecuted by the Police and convicted by the court
那時反對派怎樣說？
What did the opposition parties say then?
他們否決了我的議案，理由是黃毓民犯下錯誤，但不是為自己而是為社會公義。
They vetoed my motion on the ground that Mr WONG Yuk - man made the mistake not for himself but for social justice
我今天就要對你們說，何議員舉辦集會亦不是為自己，而是為社會公義。
I want to tell you today that Dr HO staged the rally not for himself; instead it was for social justice
反對派在批評別人時簡直是"無敵"，但批評自己人時則"無能"。
The opposition parties are simply invincible in criticizing others but is incapable in criticizing their own buddies
假如你們如此正義，為何對於有人在大學校園渲染"港獨"，在牆上張貼大字報，對剛遇上喪子之痛的官員，說出冷血歹毒的言論，卻甚麼也不說，完全沒有批評？
If you were so righteous why did you say nothing and make no criticisms at all towards those who advocated Hong Kong independence on the University campus and put up poster with cold - blooded and malicious comments against the government official who lost her son?
因為，我記得她在2012年10月25日，曾經在議會上說"言論自由並非人人平等"。
However I understand that Ms Claudia MO would definitely make no comment because I recall her saying on 25 October 2012 Freedom of speech is not equal for all
換句話說，她認為只有他們可以批評別人，他們認為不平等的就是不平等，他們認為平等的就是平等。
In other words she thinks that only the opposition parties can criticize others; what they consider unequal is unequal and what they consider equal is equal
主席，我真的很心寒。
President this really casts a chill in my heart
我堅信，市民希望每位立法會議員均為市民服務，搞好香港經濟民生，而不是凡事反對，鬥垮不同政見的人。
I firmly believe that the public expect every legislator to serve the public and work to improve the economy and the peoples livelihood rather than objecting to everything in order to beat those with different political views
吳永嘉議員希望討論再工業化，輪候了多少時間？
Mr Jimmy NG wants to discuss re - industrialization; yet how long has he been waiting?
這樣下去，只會不斷浪費議會時間及公帑。
If things go on like that our council time and public funds will only be wasted continuously
因此，主席，我支持陳克勤議員提出的"不得就譴責議案再採取任何行動"的議案。
As such President I support the motion moved by Mr CHAN Hak - kan that no further action be taken on the censure motion
代理主席，我發言支持陳克勤議員的議案，其內容是不得就毛孟靜議員動議的譴責議案採取任何行動，簡單而言，就是中止現時有關譴責何君堯議員議案的辯論。
Deputy President I rise to speak in support of Mr CHAN Hak - kans motion that no action be taken on the censure motion moved by Ms Claudia MO . Simply put it is to suspend the current debate on the motion to censure Dr Junius HO . The reason I support Mr CHAN Hak - kans motion is simple
我支持陳克勤議員的議案的原因很簡單，正如多位議員也曾於這兩天發言時提及的一點，就是我們明白立法會的時間十分寶貴，會議安排緊密，並且同事須耗費許多精力處理關乎民生等的重要工作，如在此際花時間處理譴責議案，便是浪費議會的時間和資源，亦浪費了納稅人的金錢。
As mentioned by many Members who have spoken in these two days we understand that the time of the Council is very precious . Meetings are arranged in tight schedule and colleagues have to spend much effort on important tasks related to peoples livelihood . Taking time to deal with the censure motion at this moment is a waste of time and resources of the Council and the taxpayers money
可是，亦正如何君堯議員在不同場合所解釋，他是絕對無意煽動任何暴力行為。
However as Dr Junius HO has explained during various occasions he had absolutely no intention to incite violence
因此，我們十分希望反對派的同事可以呼籲其支持者，日後在示威場合中也應該盡量不要使用這種言詞。
Therefore we very much hope that our opposition colleagues will call on their supporters to avoid using such words in future protests . I would like to make one more point
因此，我希望大家留意，並嘗試從他的角度出發和思考。
Therefore I hope everyone will pay attention to this and try to understand and think from his perspective
所以，我贊成陳克勤議員建議的處理方式，即不再就這項譴責議案採取任何行動。
Therefore I agree with the approach proposed by Mr CHAN Hak - kan that no further action be taken on this censure motion
我嘗試簡單解釋。
I will try to provide a simple explanation
第一，懲教署與其他紀律部隊的制度有少許特別之處。
First the system of the Correctional Services Department CSD differs slightly from other disciplinary forces
事實上，那效果或效率未必可以明顯達到大眾的期望，但最少也有一個機制能夠說服大部分香港人。
Though the Office may not produce an effect or show the efficiency that well meets the publics expectation at least it can convince most Hong Kong people that a system is present
但是，如有這個內部機制，則至少可說服家屬 或囚犯的朋友，當他們有不滿、不明白或有疑難的地方時，也可以作出投訴。
So if there is an internal mechanism at least we can tell inmates families or friends that there is a way for them to complain should they have any dissatisfaction question or difficulty
因為，我會認為這方法不一定是印象上，認為署長要來到交代任何情況。
In my opinion by summoning them we do not have to convey an impression that the Commissioner must account for a specific issue
當然，在去年或這段時間，比較多社運人士因為政治檢控而坐牢，因而在獄中有親身經歷，他們在獄中有些控訴和體會，從而在社會有更多聲音或令大眾傳媒聚焦，我相信大家是會明白這個現象。
True many activists were jailed for political reasons last year and recently and their personal experiences and complaints have aroused a larger voice in society as well as catching the medias focus . I believe Members do realize this phenomenon
但事實上，既然制度本身有第一種缺陷，為何我們不能令懲教本身的制度更透明？
But as the system itself is flawed why can we not introduce more transparency into the correctional services?
第二，以警察的監管制度作為比喻，最少警察有《獨立監察警方處理投訴委員會條例》，可稱作有一個外部監察機構，有委員會可以獨立接受或處理關於警察比較嚴重或比較富爭議性的投訴事件。
Second again if we look at the Polices monitoring system at least they are subject to the Independent Police Complaints Council Ordinance . One can say that there is an external monitoring body under which its members can independently receive or handle complaints about serious or controversial issues related to the Police
既然如此，為何我們不進一步完善制度？
There are many rumours like this . If so why do we not further improve the system?
當然，我明白我們可以在政制事務委員會或保安事務委員會進行相關討論，但要改革整個懲教的制度，我不認為一兩次委員會的議程能夠處理。
Of course I understand that we can discuss this at meetings of Panel on Constitutional Affairs or Panel on Security but if we wish to overhaul the entire correctional services system I do not expect we can accomplish the task merely by a few Panel meetings
主席，我嘗試在此多說少許我的親身接觸的案例。
President I will briefly illustrate a case I handled personally
當然，我明白這裏不是處理獨立案例的地方，但這些案例反映了我剛才所述的情況，即因為在制度上，令大家不了解，甚至造成爭拗的問題。
Yes I know that this is not the occasion for individual cases but this case reflects the issues mentioned by me just now concerning misunderstanding or even conflicts under the system
因為我們無法知道相關機制或進行投訴。
It was because we could never lodge a complaint nor could we have the access to do so
因為當時的案主是獄中囚友的父親，他聽到一種說法，就是他的兒子不單會失去性命，其腎臟當晚甚至大量出血，懷疑被人施以暴力，可能要切除整個腎臟。
It was because the complainant was the inmates father . As the complainant heard that his son might die of massive bleeding from the kidney resulting from suspected assault and that he might have to cut the entire kidney the complainant had asked for assistance in three separate police stations
當時的案主在當天曾到3間警署求助，是3間警署報案，而3間警署當值警員的回覆中，其中一個很過分，就是叫他找懲教署署長求助，跟進這宗案件。
He visited three stations to ask for assistance . Among the replies given to me by duty police officers in the three stations one reply was utterly unreasonable . The officer went so far as to urge the complainant to seek help from the Commissioner and ask him to follow up the case
我覺得這不重要，大家來到香港便應受到基本人權保障，於是我召開記者招待會。
Yet I believed this was not the main point . We should protect their human rights as long as they have come to Hong Kong . Therefore I held the press conference
他說了那句話後，警察便說："no case"，不會再跟進。
After the prisoner uttered this sentence the police officer then concluded that there was no case to follow up
我認為這些方法和措施有助家屬、朋友或社會大眾探望時，情況可更進一步。
These practices and measures do offer good help for families friends or members of the public to better handle the matters
主席，你和我及大家也明白，是何君堯議員，他好像是太平紳士，是嗎？
President you and I both understand this very well . As I can recall someone like Dr Junius HO is a justice of the peace right?
有人會說這是基本工作，至於在制度上，我們能否令大眾更了解究竟懲教署發生甚麼事呢？
Some may say that this is simply basic work . So system - wise how can we further explain to the public what happens within CSD?
有很多不同的說法。
There were different claims at the time
就這些情況，我和你也能理解，因為在一個政府部門，尤其是香港較為特別，設有所謂政務主任的部門，如果有一位新AO到懲教所工作，他既不是"紅褲子"出身，也不是懲教署內考核擢升，他要立威的話，可以怎麼做呢？
As regards these stories Members probably can understand the special circumstances of governmental departments in Hong Kong which are headed by a so - called Administrative Officer . When a correctional institution has a newly deployed Officer who neither works his way up nor gets promoted via CSDs internal examination what can this Officer do in order to assert his authority?
由於組織管理本身欠缺監管，不設內部投訴機制，變成有不同"山頭"在不同監倉內有各自一套執行的規則，連帶令到囚友的基本權利受損。
Without any monitoring and internal complaint mechanism management teams gradually turns their respective institutions into their own fiefdoms where they establish their own rules jeopardizing prisoners fundamental rights
可是，囚犯本身有基本權利，可以涉獵他們希望能夠在這個制度上盡量容許的知識。
However inmates should have the basic rights to acquire any knowledge permitted under the system
最後一點，除了整個組織內部或機構管理外，事實上，亦有案例讓我們看到，懲教署會否與其他政府部門在監倉內的互動或運作出現溝通上的問題呢？
Lastly apart from the overall problems relating to internal or institutional management there are cases indicating problems in communication between CSD and other departments in connection with prison operation
所以，主席，我當然不會認為提出這項議案便能解決問題，但最少可令公眾更明白整個懲教制度的缺憾。
President surely I will not believe that we can resolve the problem merely by moving this motion yet at least we can publicly expose the defects in the correctional services system
我剛才花時間聽了多位議員就今天這項議案的發言，發現有些泛民同事說得繪聲繪影，指懲教署內有虐囚情況，又或提出其他種種對懲教署的指控。
I have spent some time listening to speeches delivered by a number of Members just now on this motion moved today and found that colleagues from the pan - democratic camp have given some very vivid descriptions about the torturing of prisoners within the Correctional Services Department CSD or many other allegations against CSD
我當然明白作為立法會議員，我們須監察政府的運作，如發現懲教署做事不濟、不按規矩辦事，又或出現虐囚或各種不合規矩的做法和情況時，我當然也認為有需要而且必須跟進。
I certainly understand that as Members of the Legislative Council we do have the responsibility to monitor the operations of the Government and I of course consider it necessary and our obligation to follow up on cases where CSD has been slack in its work or has failed to act according to the rules or cases where torturing of prisoners or various other irregularities have been discovered
但是，主席，正如我曾指出，在現有渠道下，其實已有不同方式可跟進和處理這些針對懲教署的投訴。
However President as I have already pointed out different ways are in fact available under the existing channels for us to follow up and handle such complaints against CSD
如投訴人對投訴調查組的調查結果感到不滿，可循投訴上訴委員會作出跟進及上訴。
A complainant who is dissatisfied with the outcome of the investigation conducted by the Complaints Investigation Unit CIU may follow up with and appeal to CSDCAB
我只想指出，如泛民同事認為有需要跟進懲教署工作不濟、不按規矩做事或虐囚個案，我也認為有需要跟進，但現時其實已有途徑可以處理，而在懲教署本身的體制內，亦有投訴上訴委員會及投訴調查組等可作出跟進。
I would only like to point out that I share the views of fellow colleagues from the pan - democratic camp and consider it necessary to follow up on cases where CSD has been slack in its work or has failed to act according to the rules or cases of torturing of prisoners but there are in fact existing channels for handling such cases and different committees and department such as CSDCAB and CIU have been set up within the system of CSD to follow up the matters
因此，我認為在這些現有途徑下，我們應該提出的問題是現有途徑是否完全無法解決現時所見的個案？
Therefore under these existing channels I think what we should do is to examine whether such channels have completely failed to tackle the issues identified
即使有十分嚴重的個案，我認為也可透過現有途徑，甚至進一步透過傳媒的監督和監察，有機會作出跟進。
Even though in the face of very serious cases I consider it possible for us to follow them up through the existing channels and pursue the matters further under the supervision and monitoring by the media
相反，若按照張超雄議員今天提出的議案，即時傳召懲教署署長到立法會席前處理事件，首先，我認為在程序上是否不應一下子跳到這一步？
On the contrary if we pass the motion moved by Dr Fernando CHEUNG today and handle the matters by immediately summoning the Commissioner of Correctional Services to attend before the Council I would first of all like to ask Is it procedurally appropriate to jump to this step at once?
如果我們可以循其他途徑處理，又或應該先啟動程序作出處理，那便不應一步到位，突然傳召懲教署署長前來解說或處理有關個案，這在程序上亦未必合適。
If we can handle such cases through other channels or we should first initiate the necessary procedures it would then be undesirable for us to jump to the step of summoning the Commissioner of Correctional Services to attend before the Council to explain or handle the relevant matters . Procedurally speaking it may also not be appropriate for us to do so
我主要想提出的是，在張超雄議員這項議案後，亦緊隨有6至7項類似的議案，提出傳召不同官員就個別情況或個案作出解說。
The main point I wish to raise is that there are six to seven similar motions immediately following Dr Fernando CHEUNGs motion in the Agenda for this Council meeting and all of them seek to summon different public officers to attend before the Council for the examination of different issues or cases
泛民同事提出多項傳召官員的議案，其實大家也明白其客觀效果是要阻礙後面多項本來需要處理的工作。
We all understand that by moving a number of motions to summon public officers to attend before the Council fellow colleagues from the pan - democratic camp actually seek to achieve the objective effect of obstructing the handling of a number of agenda items behind
如果提出這些議案能浪費我們的時間，或許可達致他們認為需要達致的目的，我對此不作猜測。
If they can waste some of the Council time by moving these motions it may serve to achieve certain objectives as they desired and I will refrain from speculating on their intentions
若要議會真正回復較正常的運作，以便真正在議事廳內更有效能地處理較迫切的民生工作，相信我們在議會內仍有很多事情需要處理，包括不贊成張超雄議員今天突然提出，要求懲教署署長前來答辯及處理有關懲教署的投訴的議案。
If we want this Council to genuinely resume relatively normal operation so that we can truly handle more urgent issues related to the peoples livelihood in this Chamber in a more effective and efficient manner I think there will still be a lot of things for us to do here including voting against the motion moved suddenly by Dr Fernando CHEUNG today to summon the Commissioner of Correctional Services to attend before the Council to testify and follow up on complaints against CSD