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然而，為了更客觀地評核特別註冊醫生的表現，我們將與4間公營醫療機構商討，在他們現有的評核制度中，加入一些共通的醫生核心才能以作考核，例如醫療知識應用、以病人為本的醫護服務、臨床診斷、誠信和團隊合作等。
Nonetheless to better assess the performance of doctors with special registration in an objective manner we plan to discuss with the four institutions the inclusion of some common core competencies for doctors such as application of medical knowledge patient centred care clinical judgment integrity and teamwork in their existing assessment systems
我們亦計劃要求4間公營醫療機構須定時就特別註冊醫生的表現作評核，並適時給予意見，以確保醫生的表現稱職和令人滿意。
To ensure that doctors with special registration serve competently and satisfactorily we also plan to require the four institutions to assess their performance on a regular basis and offer timely advice to them
倘若有個別特別註冊醫生的表現未能令人滿意或令人信服其表現稱職，4間公營醫療機構將不會跟他們續約，令其無法符合取得正式註冊的條件。
For those who have failed to serve satisfactorily or competently the four institutions will not renew their employment contracts as a result of which they will not be eligible for full registration
我們亦會對本地醫科生作承諾，儘管在可見的將來會出現更多非本地培訓醫生，本地醫科畢業生仍然會是本地醫療體系的骨幹。
We will also make a commitment to local medical students . Even with the availability of more NLTDs in the foreseeable future local medical graduates will continue to be the backbone of the local healthcare system
政府會繼續履行在2018年施政綱領所作出的承諾。醫管局將會為所有合資格的本地醫科畢業生提供實習崗位，亦會全數聘請通過實習的本地醫科畢業生，並為他們提供專科培訓。
The Government will uphold its commitment in the 2018 Policy Agenda that HA will provide internship opportunities for all qualified local medical graduates and will also employ all local medical graduates who have passed the internship and provide them with specialist training
現時醫管局已有既定機制聘請非本地培訓醫生，並為他們提供專科培訓。
Currently HA has an established mechanism to employ NLTDs and provide them with specialist training
根據現行機制，醫管局會以政府的特定撥款以編外職位聘請非本地培訓醫生，以免影響本地培訓醫生的招聘及晉升。
Under the existing mechanism HA will create supernumerary posts with the Governments dedicated funding allocation for employing NLTDs so that recruitment and promotion of locally trained doctors will not be affected
此外，據了解，現時在醫專轄下的14個專科學院中，有9個已接受或願意接受非本地培訓醫生以進行專科培訓，包括社區醫學、急症、家庭醫學、內科、婦產科、眼科、兒科、病理學和精神病學。
Besides we understand that nine of the 14 Colleges under HKAM have accepted or are willing to accept NLTDs for specialist training . These colleges are Colleges of Community Medicine Emergency Medicine Family Physicians Physicians Obstetricians and Gynaecologists Ophthalmologists Paediatricians Pathologists and Psychiatrists
因應未來新增的非本地培訓醫生，食物及衞生局將成立一個全新的平台，以今年稍後公布的專科醫生人力推算結果為基礎，邀請醫管局、衞生署及醫專代表共同商議專科培訓事宜，包括培訓學額和所需配套等。
In view of the future increase in NLTDs FHB is planning to set up a new platform and invite representatives from HA DH and HKAM to discuss matters related to specialist training including the number of training places and necessary supporting infrastructure based on the specialist manpower projection to be announced later this year
至於專科培訓名額的分配機制，我們明白本地培訓醫生的關注，但我們亦希望非本地培訓醫生不乏專科培訓的選擇。
Regarding the allocation system of specialist training places whilst understanding locally trained doctors concerns we hope that NLTDs will not be short of specialist training choices
至於與其他醫療相關的議題，我們理解現時本港的公營醫療系統面對非常多的挑戰，多位議員剛才亦一一提出，醫生人手只是其中一環，但這正正是不可或缺的板塊，否則各項改善和新措施均無法推展。
For other healthcare - related matters we understand that the public healthcare system in Hong Kong is facing many challenges as many Members have just mentioned and the supply of doctors is only one of them . But this is exactly what is needed otherwise improvements and new measures could not be implemented
雖然有醫學界人士認為政府可投放更多資源來促進公私營協作，以減輕公營醫院的壓力，但在醫生人手短缺的情況下加大公私營協作，可能會令醫管局的醫生流失更為嚴重，同時會令私營醫療的費用更難負擔。
Although members of the medical profession opine that the Government may allocate more resources to promote public - private partnership so as to relieve the pressure on public hospitals given the shortage of doctors enhancing public private partnership may aggravate the wastage of HA doctors and render the fees of private healthcare services more unaffordable
因此，政府必須釜底抽薪，增加本港整體醫生人手供應，才能夠從根本上解決現時醫療系統的問題。
Therefore the Government must take the decisive step to increase the overall supply of doctors in Hong Kong . Only by doing so can we solve the current problems in our healthcare system at root
代理主席，我懇請議員支持《條例草案》及政府將在全體委員會審議階段中提出的修正案。
Deputy President I implore Members to support the Bill and the amendments to be proposed by the Government at Committee stage later
我現在向各位提出的待決議題是：《2021年醫生註冊條例草案》，予以二讀。
I now put the question to you and that is That the Medical Registration Amendment Bill 2021 be read the Second time
《2021年醫生註冊條例草案》。
Medical Registration Amendment Bill 2021
就今次整項討論，我相信很多市民現在越來越清楚加熱煙和電子煙的分別在哪。
Through all the discussion I believe many people know more clearly about the difference between HTPs and e - cigarettes
我本身不吸食加熱煙及電子煙，現在連傳統香煙也沒有吸食。
I myself do not smoke HTPs or e - cigarettes and I do not even smoke conventional cigarettes nowadays
不過，香港仍有10%的人吸食香煙，有60多萬人，我覺得他們其實也有選擇權。
However there are still 10 % of Hong Kong people or more than 600 000 people who smoke cigarettes and I think they actually have the right to choose
對於今次政府硬把電子煙和加熱煙作捆綁投票，我非常不同意。
I strongly disagree with the Governments decision to bundle e - cigarettes and HTPs together in the vote
電子煙，其實大家都希望禁止，但加熱煙的話，有很多國家其實都是准許售賣。
In fact we all want to ban e - cigarettes but in the case of HTPs many countries actually allow the sale of them
現時世界上有60多個國家准許售賣，只有10多個國家不准售賣。
At present more than 60 countries in the world allow the sale of them and only some 10 countries do not allow it
所以，政府現在走小的方向，不走大的方向，其實我是不同意的。
Therefore I actually do not agree with the Government moving in a narrower direction rather than a broader direction
所以，我一定會投反對票。
I will therefore definitely cast a negative vote
簡單而言，修例目的是希望讓更多非本地培訓醫生來港，解決香港醫生不足的問題。
In short the Bill seeks to enable more NLTDs to practise in Hong Kong and address the shortage of doctors in Hong Kong
眾所周知，香港醫生嚴重短缺，是一個存在已久及難以解決的問題。
As we all know the acute shortage of doctors in Hong Kong is a long - standing problem which is difficult to resolve
翻查歷史，自由黨前主席及前議員方剛和自由黨在2014年2月曾提出一份《紓緩香港公共醫療系統的醫生不足問題建議書》。
Looking back Mr Vincent FANG former Chairman of the Liberal Party LP cum former Member put forward a proposal on behalf of LP to alleviate the shortage of doctors in Hong Kongs public healthcare system in February 2014
當時我們已經指出，要操流利廣東話的要求和香港醫務委員會的審批程序，是導致很少海外醫生肯來港執業的兩大原因。
As we have pointed out back then very few overseas trained doctors OTDs came to practise in Hong Kong for two main reasons namely the requirement for OTDs to speak fluent Cantonese and the vetting and approval procedure of the Medical Council of Hong Kong MCHK
我們當時建議了多項短、中、長期的措施，其中之一就是優化醫生註冊制度。
At that time we had proposed a number of short - medium - and long - term measures one of which was to improve the medical registration mechanism
事隔7年，我們很高興今天終於有新進展。
Seven years on we are glad to see today that new progress has finally been made
繼在2018年通過改革醫委會組成的法案後，今天有機會進一步通過《條例草案》，有望吸引更多非本地培訓醫生來港執業。
Following the passage of the bill to reform the composition of MCHK in 2018 we have the opportunity to take a further step to pass the Bill today . It is expected that more NLTDs will be attracted to practise in Hong Kong
雖然當中肯定仍有未完善的地方，但始終是向前踏出一步。
While there are certainly some inadequacies of the Bill it is a first step forward after all
所以，自由黨歡迎這項建議。
For this reason LP welcomes the proposal
根據資料，截至2020年12月，香港大約有15,298名註冊醫生，人均註冊醫生比例大約是每1,000人只有兩名醫生。
According to available information as at December 2020 there were about 15 298 registered doctors in Hong Kong amounting to a per capita doctor ratio of only 2 doctors per 1 000 population
這數字遠遠低於經合組織的平均數字，亦明顯落後於其他先進經濟體，例如新加坡和日本有2.5名，美國有2.6名，英國有3名，澳洲更有3.8名。
This figure is way below the average of the Organisation for Economic Co - operation and Development as a whole and it significantly lags behind other advanced economies such as 2.5 for Singapore and Japan 2.6 for the United States 3 for the United Kingdom and even 3.8 for Australia
本地醫生短缺，嚴格來說是公營醫療機構的醫生短缺。
In the strict sense the shortage of local doctors refers to the shortage of doctors in the public sector
由此所產生的問題，相信大家也耳熟能詳。
I believe we should be very familiar with the problems arising therefrom
首先，當然是引致很多病人輪候時間太長，尤其是醫院管理局和衞生署的專科服務。
The first problem caused is certainly the excessively long waiting time for many patients particularly for specialist services of the Hospital Authority and the Department of Health
根據政府資料，一些內科、眼科和矯形及創傷外科的專科可能需要輪候兩年。
According to government information patients in certain specialities such as Medicine Ophthalmology and Orthopaedics Traumatology may need to wait for two years
私營醫療服務收費昂貴，莫說基層市民，連中產也未必能長期負擔。
Medical services in the private sector are so expensive that even the middle class may find them unaffordable in the long run not to mention the grass roots
很多市民根本沒辦法和在沒有選擇下，只能在公營醫療系統輪候，輪候期間更有不少人病情惡化去世。
Many people who simply have no choice or alternative need to wait under the public healthcare system . Quite a few of them have even died due to deterioration of their conditions during the wait
公營醫院人手不足，工作量大，自然影響服務質素，例如缺乏適切照料、態度欠佳，甚至出現醫生失誤問題，相信大家經常在新聞中聽聞。
The manpower shortage and heavy workload in public hospitals will inevitably affect service quality resulting in a lack of appropriate care poor attitude and even medical blunders which we have often heard in the news
另一方面，因為公營醫院工作太多，工作環境差，很多醫護人員寧願轉投私營醫院，形成惡性循環，令公營醫院人手不足的問題更惡化。
On the other hand because of the heavy workload and poor working conditions in public hospitals many healthcare workers would rather work in private hospitals thereby creating a vicious circle which has worsened the manpower shortage in public hospitals
其實香港早應就這個問題輸入更多醫生，正如回歸前可引入6個選定英聯邦國家的海外受訓醫生一樣；但回歸後，一直由於醫學界要保護自身利益，"醫醫相衞"、處處阻礙，令有關措施寸步難行。
In fact Hong Kong should have admitted more doctors to address this problem long time ago just as it admitted OTDs from six selected Commonwealth countries before the return of sovereignty . However after the reunification the medical profession has been trying to defend its own interests . Doctors are shielding each other and trying to impede the introduction of relevant policies in one way or another
我可以跟大家分析一下數字。
I will give you some statistics
今年施政報告提出要吸引人才，建立人才庫，第149段指出："香港作為一個細小經濟體，難以單憑培育本地人才便能滿足經濟發展需求，我們需要更進取地吸納更多非本地人才，豐富香港的人才庫，推動高端經濟發展和抓緊《十四五規劃綱要》和大灣區的發展機遇。
This years Policy Address has stressed the need to attract talents and build up a talent pool . Paragraph 149 reads As a small economy Hong Kong cannot meet the needs of economic development simply by nurturing local talents . We need to attract non - local talents more proactively to enrich our talent pool promote high - end economic development and seize the development opportunities as provided under the 14th Five - Year Plan and in the Greater Bay Area
" 以新加坡為例，根據立法會秘書處資料研究組的資料，當地在1970年代准許英聯邦和富裕國家部分醫學院的海外受訓醫生到新加坡工作。
Take Singapore as an example . According to the information from the Research Office of the Legislative Council Secretariat the Singaporean government began to allow OTDs from certain medical schools in selected Commonwealth or affluent countries to work in Singapore as early as in the 1970s
自2003年起，引入海外醫生的人數顯著增加。
The scale of admission has been expanded significantly since 2003
新加坡新增的受訓醫生人數在17年間飆升211%，可想而知開放對外醫生可以吸引多少人前來。
The number of newly registered OTDs in Singapore has surged by 211 % in 17 years . It can be imagined how many people can be attracted through the policy to admit OTDs
某些本地醫生經常說，海外醫生來港會影響質素，上述例子足以告訴大家，實情應該不是這樣。
Some local doctors have often claimed that OTD admission would affect the overall quality of doctors . The above case shows us that the reality is otherwise
香港除房屋問題外，醫療亦是一個最急切的問題。
Apart from the housing issue the healthcare issue is also one of the most pressing problems of Hong Kong
自由黨支持政府提出的《條例草案》和修正案。
LP supports the Bill and the amendments proposed by the Government
我亦會在政府的《條例草案》之上進一步提出修訂，目的是希望進一步擴闊海外醫生進入香港的途徑。
I will also propose further amendments to the Governments Bill in the hope of further facilitating the admission of OTDs into Hong Kong
有90%的病人前往公營醫院。
Ninety per cent of patients are visiting public hospitals
其實香港人購買保險的機率是世界首屈一指的。
In fact Hong Kong people have among the highest insurance subscription rates in the world
代理主席，我發言支持《2021年醫生註冊條例草案》，也會支持政府所有的修正案。
Deputy President I speak in support of the Medical Registration Amendment Bill 2021 the Bill and I will also support all the amendments proposed by the Government
關於《條例草案》，剛才很多同事都說，我們在立法會就如何增加醫生的供應及改善我們的醫療系統，其實都經過多次討論。
Regarding the Bill as many colleagues have just said we have actually had many discussions in the Legislative Council on how to increase the supply of doctors and improve our healthcare system
我最記得就是2016年，即上屆立法會的任期完結前的最後那幾次會議，我們都受到"拉布"影響，就是因為當時要修訂《醫生註冊條例》。
I remember most clearly that in 2016 in the last few meetings before the end of the last term of the Legislative Council we were affected by filibusters because we wanted to amend the Medical Registration Ordinance back then
可能很多同事不記得有關內容，其實主要有兩點，其一是修改香港醫務委員會的組成，主要是針對醫委會處理一些個案的過程冗長；另一點是增加有限度註冊醫生的服務年期，由本來的1年延長至3年。
Many Members may not remember the content in fact there are two main points . One is to revise the composition of the Medical Council of Hong Kong MCHK mainly to address the lengthy process of MCHK in handling some cases; and the other is to increase the length of service of medical practitioners with limited registration from one year to three years
當時的目的是希望可以增加醫生的供應，但那麼多年後到現在，我們發現即使有了該項修訂之後，有限度註冊醫生的數目其實也不多。
The purpose at that time was to increase the supply of doctors but now after so many years we find that even after the amendment the number of doctors with limited registration is still small
如何可以在這段時間增加醫生的供應？
How can the supply of doctors be increased in the meantime?
我覺得政府現在提出修例，我們是會支持的。
I think we will support the Governments proposal to amend the legislation now
然後，便要去等候量度血壓、身高和體重，整間房間都是人。
After that one has to wait for measurements of blood pressure height and weight; and the whole room is packed with people
所以，我說他們要帶水、帶餅乾、帶衣服等，好像去旅行般。
Thus as I mentioned just now they have to bring a bottle of water biscuits clothes etc as if they are going on a trip
不只長者，病人都很折騰。
It is vexatious not only for the elderly but also the patients
我們看到在骨科病房，去見醫生的可能有一些是剛剛做完手術，有腳傷要坐輪椅的病人，他們被推來推去，其實真的是很折騰。
In an orthopaedic ward we have seen patients who may have undergone surgeries recently . They have leg injuries are wheelchair - bound and have to be pushed around which is really vexatious
所以，我們希望真的要改善整個醫療系統和醫生的供應，而增加醫生人數是其中一個方法，還有其他工作要做。
Thus we really hope that there will be improvements in the entire healthcare system and the supply of doctors . Increasing the number of doctors is one way to solve the problem and other work has to be done too
我真的不明白，醫管局那些高層人人薪金如此高，較特首和高官更高，但醫療系統卻弄至一塌糊塗，就連覆診等候升降機，也要等那麼久。
I really do not understand why all the senior management staff of the Hospital Authority HA are so well - paid earning even higher salaries than the Chief Executive and senior government officials and yet the healthcare system is such a mess even the waiting time for lifts to attend follow - up appointments is unduly long
好了，提到醫生的供應，如何解決呢？
Regarding the supply of doctors how can the problem be solved?
我們期望增加非本地培訓的醫生，這是一個方法。
We hope to increase the number of non - locally trained doctors which is one of the solutions
剛才更有同事提出公私營合作，其實也很困難，因為公私營合作越多，醫生流向私營系統的可能便越大。
Some Members have proposed public - private partnership which is actually very difficult to achieve because the more public - private partnership there is the greater the possibility of doctors switching to the private sector
不過，問題是，我們看到香港有一半醫生......45%的專科醫生在公立醫院服務，但他們是照顧誰的呢？
However the problem we have noticed is that half of the doctors in Hong Kong 45 % of the specialists in Hong Kong work in public hospitals but who are they taking care of?
所以，問題其實是公私營系統的比例失衡。
Therefore the problem actually lies with the imbalance between the public and private systems
有人會問，公營系統有很多病人，他們明知要排隊，為何要去公營呢？
Some people may ask There are many patients in the public system why do they use the public system when they know about the wait?
因為私營真的貴得很離譜，令一些可能有購買保險或自己負擔得起的市民，本來可以去私營，但恐怕一旦去了私營......今次動手術可能有保險保障，之後要覆診、做物理治療及其他，就不知道有沒有了。
The reason is that patients will be charged exorbitantly high in the private system making those who may have taken out insurance or can afford to go to the private system anxious about using it for they may have insurance coverage for the surgery this time but they do not know if there will be coverage for follow - up appointments physiotherapy and other items later on
此外，我們一定要培訓本地醫生，增加培訓本地醫生是必要的。
Moreover we must train local doctors and it is necessary to increase the places for training local doctors
當然，我們知道政府早前已公布，在2021-2022年度會增加醫科學額至530個。
Of course we know that the Government has announced earlier that the number of medical school places will be increased to 530 in 2021 - 2022
但是，我們也知道，其實醫生的培訓時間很長，而且唸完後還要實習等，因此如何能在未培訓到本地醫生之前，解決醫生不足，特別是公營系統醫生不足的問題，我覺得這次修例是很迫切的。
However we also know that the time required for training doctors is actually very long and there is still a need for internship after the training . Thus I think it is very urgent to amend the legislation this time around to solve the problem of shortage of doctors especially doctors in the public sector before local doctors are trained
是否真的如委員會內所提出，要在一年之內才能做到？
Is it true that it will take a year to do so as suggested at the Bills Committee?
代理主席，首先多謝政府今次的修正案，當局將一些特別註冊放寬至非永久性居民的專科醫生，這我是支持的；一些合資格的醫科畢業生未取註冊亦可以回港實習，這我是同意的；以及有些有限度註冊醫生可以申請轉為特別註冊，這我也是支持的。
Deputy Chairman first of all I would like to thank the Government for this amendment exercise . I support the relaxation of special registration to include specialist doctors who are non - Hong Kong permanent residents; I agree that qualified medical graduates who have yet to obtain registration may undergo internship in Hong Kong; and I also support that limited registration doctors may apply for migrating to the special registration route
簡單而言，對於政府的修正案，其實我全部都支持。
Simply put I support all of the Governments amendments
其實他們想回來，只不過相關系統令到他們沒有身份證，在當局今次的計劃下他們便未能回來。
When they grow up why do we not let them come back? . They just do not have a Hong Kong identity card but their parents and their roots are in Hong Kong . In fact they want to come back but the relevant regime has deprived them of an identity card and they cannot come back under the current proposal put forward by the authorities
所以，為何我要提出這兩項修訂呢？
Why do I have to propose these two amendments?
主要原因是希望方便這些人可以回港。
The main reason is to facilitate these people to return to Hong Kong
這些大學的學生可以來港執業，為何教授不可以呢？
If graduates of these medical schools can come to practise in Hong Kong how come their professors cannot do so?
甚至在那些醫學院轄下 的附屬醫院裏工作的醫生，為何他不夠資格來港直接執業呢？
Why are the doctors working in hospitals affiliated to these medical schools not qualified to come to Hong Kong to practise directly?
等於香港大學轄下也有一些附屬醫院，在附屬醫院裏工作的醫生，我相信不是普通的醫生，而是都一定經過很嚴格的挑選。
Similarly the University of Hong Kong also has affiliated hospitals . I believe doctors working in these affiliated hospitals are not ordinary doctors and they must have gone through a very strict selection process
所以，為何今次特別提出這CSA，我希望其他同事可以再想清楚。
So as regards why we have particularly proposed these CSAs I hope that other colleagues can further think about it
有人覺得人數可能不是很多，其實多一個，對於香港來說，都是有幫助的。
Some people think that this may not bring in many doctors well so long as one additional doctor can be brought in it can still be helpful to Hong Kong
所以希望大家就這CSA投票時可以再細心想想，好嗎？
Therefore I hope that Members can further think about these CSAs in detail when they vote on them alright?
第一，我沒有吸食電子煙，也沒有吸食加熱煙，亦沒有吸食傳統香煙。
First I am not a user of electronic cigarettes and heated tobacco products HTPs nor am I a user of conventional cigarettes
我本身是代表批發及零售界，而當中一個商會就是煙草商會，我在法定上是代表他們的。
I myself represent the wholesale and retail sector and the Tobacco Association is one of the trade associations in the sector I am hence their statutory representative
所以，人們問我有甚麼利益的話，我可以對主席說，我沒有直接的金錢利益，也沒有間接的。
Therefore if people ask me what interests do I have I can tell the President that I have no direct pecuniary interests nor do I have any indirect ones
如果有些朋友說，你幫助那些人，他們會否投票給你？
If some friends ask Will these people vote for you as you are helping them?
主席，我在此呼籲，假設我參選下一屆立法會的話，請那些煙草業的朋友不要投票給我。
President I would like to make an appeal here that in case I would run for the next Legislative Council election those friends from the tobacco industry please do not vote for me
我想說，香港現時大約有10.2%的人吸煙，大約有60幾萬人。
I would like to mention that about 10.2 % of the people in Hong Kong are smokers at present so there are some 600 000 of them
這60幾萬人，這項法案今日通過了的話，可能他們以後的選擇權，即去選擇一種減少傷害的加熱煙的話，他們便沒有這個機會了。
For these 600 000 - odd people they may be deprived of the right to choose in the future if this Bill is passed today . That means if they wish to choose HTPs which is less harmful they will no longer have the opportunity to do so
主席，雖然我是代表煙草商會的議員，但我想說，在這項法案最早推出來的時候，你們是希望禁電子煙和加熱煙，而煙草商會對我說，其實他們希望兩種都保留。
President although I am the Member representing the Tobacco Association I would like to say that when this Bill was first introduced it was intended that a ban should be imposed on both e - cigarettes and HTPs . Yet the Tobacco Association told me that they actually wanted to have both products retained
但是，經過會議上討論了很久，我在開會的時候聽到一些不同的論據之後，我對電子煙亦是有憂慮的。
However after lengthy discussion at the meetings I also have some concerns over e - cigarettes upon hearing some different arguments during the meetings
因為電子煙的液體其實是就這樣倒進去，而不是原廠送來。
It is because in fact the liquid of e - cigarettes is simply filled into the device instead of being supplied by the original manufacturer
加入了甚麼液體，怎樣去監管、控制，對於所有人，其實我都有一定的保留。
As regards what liquid is filled how monitoring and control will be taken place and all people involved I have some reservations
所以，縱使我代表的商會對我說，我亦告訴他們，其實我無法支持他們不禁電子煙。
So even though the trade association that I represent told me so I still told them that I could not support their view that e - cigarettes should not be banned
加熱煙的話，經過很多論證或人們多次對我說之後，我明白到加熱煙這種產品與傳統香煙有甚麼分別。
In the case of HTPs I have realized the differences between HTPs and conventional cigarettes after people have presented a lot of arguments or spoken to me many times
第一，它是針對傳統香煙的 減害而做的，因為它沒有燃燒。
First they are developed with the aim of reducing the harm of conventional cigarettes because they do not involve burning
第二，它沒有機會導致火災，因為它沒有燃燒，所以相對於傳統香煙會弄污四周環境的話，其實它可以減低污穢的情況。
Second they have no chance of causing a fire since burning is not involved . Therefore they are actually less dirty when compared with conventional cigarettes which would make the surrounding environment filthy
第三，它是沒有味道的，這樣便會減少對周邊的人的影響。
Third they do not give off any odour which will reduce the impact on the people nearby
如果這樣比較的話，我相信這種產品的傷害是較傳統香煙減少了。
According to this comparison I believe that these products would do less harm than conventional cigarettes
到了今日也不禁傳統香煙，為何會禁加熱煙呢？
As conventional cigarettes have not yet been banned so far why should HTPs be banned?
剛才我聽到兩位議員說我用這個邏輯的話，其實我的心裏也不希望禁傳統香煙。
A moment ago I have heard two Members say that if I apply this logic that means in fact I do not wish to ban conventional cigarettes in my heart
我剛才在議會聽到很多議員說要禁煙，我想提醒大家，全世界現時只有一個地方禁煙，那個地方叫不丹，只得60幾萬人口。
Just now I have heard many Members in this legislature talking about a smoking ban . I would like to remind all of you that only one place in the world has banned smoking at present and that place is called Bhutan which has a population of only some 600 000
我們香港真的要走到那麼極端？
Do we really need to go to that extreme in Hong Kong?
所有人都不可以有自己的選擇嗎？
Can everyone not make their own choice?
一個18歲的成年人不可以有自己的選擇？
Why can adults aged 18 not make their own choice?
在不影響別人的情況之下，他不可以有自己的選擇嗎？
Can they not make their own choice on the premise that they would not affect the others?
我想大家都要想清楚。
I believe we must think about it clearly
雖然我不吸煙，但我覺得人應該有選擇權的。
Though I am not a smoker I think people should have the right to choose
主席，這方面的討論其實經過了兩個法案委員會，討論了16次。
President in fact we have discussed this issue 16 times in two Bill Committees
在過去的法案委員會上發言時，大部分議員都支持規管加熱煙而禁電子煙。
Most Members while speaking in the Bill Committees in the past have expressed support for regulating HTPs but imposing a ban on e - cigarettes
在2019年6月，甚至有一位議員提出一項議案，要求政府把加熱煙和電子煙分開，當時有10位議員贊成，只有3位議員反對。
A Member even proposed a motion in June 2019 requesting the Government to handle HTPs and e - cigarettes separately . Back then 10 Members were in favour of the motion only three were against it