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當然，技術上，我們的主事官員要必恭必敬地把全國性法律逐字加入《條例草案》內，不過我覺得，無論如何，這樣做仍然不適宜。
Of course technically the officials in charge have to include every single word of the national law in the Bill with the utmost respect . But I reckon that at any rate it is still inappropriate
此外，我記得陸頌雄議員對於我就《條例草案》第76條提出的修正案持不同意見。
Moreover I recall that Mr LUK Chung - hung held different views about my amendment to clause 76 of the Bill
該條文是有關侮辱國歌的罰則。
The clause concerns the penalty for insulting the national anthem
局長剛才已指出，有關罰則與《國旗及國徽條例》的罰則是一致的。
The Secretary has just pointed out that the penalty is consistent with that under the National Flag and National Emblem Ordinance NFNEO
可是，我亦聽到朱凱廸議員質疑，為何要用這麼重的刑罰來令人民作出尊重國歌的行為呢？
Yet I have also heard Mr CHU Hoi - dick question why such a harsh penalty have to be imposed to make people behave respectfully towards the national anthem
其實，有關罰則與《國旗及國徽條例》一致並不必然或必需，因為《國旗及國徽條例》對於侮辱國旗及國徽的行為有非常細緻及清晰的描述。
Indeed it is neither imperative nor necessary to align the penalty with that under NFNEO because NFNEO contains very detailed and clear descriptions of behaviour that desecrates the national flag and national emblem
環顧百多個國家對於侮辱國歌的罰則，5萬元的罰款已屬非常嚴厲的懲處。
Considering the penalties for insulting the national anthem in more than 100 countries a fine of 50,000 is a very harsh punishment
我上次發言也提到，我現在再說一次，即使新加坡對有關罪行的罰款也只是1,000新加坡元，兌換後是5,480港元，即等於《條例草案》中所訂罰款的十分之一。
I have already mentioned it in my last speech and will say it again now even Singapore imposes on relevant offences only a fine of S1,000 which is HK5,480 after conversion equivalent to one tenth of the fine set out in the Bill
陸頌雄議員問我，是否有錢便"大晒"？
Mr LUK Chung - hung asked me if having money means having all the say?
是否有錢便能侮辱國歌？
Can people having money insult the national anthem?
這絕非我的原意。
It is absolutely not my original intention
當然有錢不是"大晒"，正如一個國家的GNP高亦非"大晒"。
Of course having money does not mean one can call all the shots just as a country having a high Gross National Product GNP does not mean it can call all the shots
一個國家的GNP高亦不代表其國民很幸福。
A countrys high GNP does not imply that its nationals are happy
國民要有監督政府的權利、言論自由、選舉自由。
The nationals ought to have the right to oversee the government and have the freedom of speech and the freedom to elect and be elected
這正正是指《中華人民共和國憲法》裏第三十五條："中華人民共和國公民有言論、出版、集會、結社、遊行、示威的自由。
It precisely refers to Article 35 of the Constitution of the Peoples Republic of China Citizens of the Peoples Republic of China shall enjoy freedom of speech the press assembly association procession and demonstration
有沒有認錯呢？
Has it admitted its wrongdoings?
政黨有沒有絕對的責任？
Did the political party have absolute responsibility?
當然，很多人包括建制派的同事表示，歷史自有公論。
Of course many people including Honourable colleagues from the pro - establishment camp said that history will make a fair judgment
但這段歷史已經過了50年，而大躍進發生已超過60年，為甚麼現在仍未有公論、結果和了斷？
But 50 years have passed since this historic event and more than 60 years have passed since the Great Leap Forward why have there been no fair judgment outcome and conclusion yet?
第三件事件便是六四事件，今天是六四事件31周年，當年今日在天安門爭取民主公義的學生遭到鎮壓。
The third event is the 4 June incident . Today is the 31 anniversary of the 4 June incident . On this day in that year students fighting for justice in the Tiananmen Square were subject to persecution
現在，31年過去，有沒有清楚的說法？
Now 31 years have passed is there a clear account for it?
由六四被定性為動亂，乃至風暴，我看到政府可能想輕輕帶過這事件，但實際上沒有人能忘記這事件。
As 4 June was termed a riot and even a storm I can see that the Government may want to gloss over this event but in reality no one can forget it
在中國近代歷史上，對於我剛才所述的3件事件，如果一直不作正式處理、不作正式表態或不作正式道歉，我相信這心結無法解開，或說對執政黨抱有尊重是根本沒可能的。
So long as these three events in modern Chinese history I have just mentioned have not been officially handled and no official stance has been stated or no official apology has been made I believe the emotional block can never be untied or I should say it is impossible to have respect for the ruling party
我希望各位支持我提出的修正案。
I hope all Honourable colleagues will support my amendments
有議員表示擔心制定《條例草案》後，香港市民會不小心觸犯法例，並指出有些地方是需要留意的。
Some Members were concerned about Hong Kong people inadvertently contravening the law after the Bill is passed and they pointed out that some areas would warrant attention
在這3天的會議上，我聽到很多非建制派議員的發言。
During the meetings in these three days I have listened to the speeches of many non - establishment Members
如果這世界上所有市民也守法，立法會根本已可以解散，亦不需要存在。
If all the people in the world are law - abiding the Legislative Council actually could be dissolved and its existence would not be necessary
但是，這麼多年的歷史告訴我們，其實人的自由與日常生活的約束，兩者是需要平衡的。
However so many years of history are telling us that a balance has to be struck between peoples freedom and restrictions in daily lives
在群體社會的各個群組中，個人的自由並非凌駕一切，因為會影響其他人的自由，所以我們需要訂立制約，也就是現在的法律，這也是為何要有立法會的原因。
In all communities that made up society the freedom of an individual is not above everything because the freedom of other people will be affected . This is why we need to put in place controls which are the laws nowadays . This is also the reason why we need the Legislative Council
可能外國人會覺得香港人對國家的國歌是否不滿？
Foreigners may wonder if the people of Hong Kong are unhappy with their countrys national anthem
我相信這信息絕對已向世界傳達了，但主席，這部分的人是否代表香港全部人呢？
I think this message has absolutely been put across to the world . But Chairman do this bunch of people represent all the people of Hong Kong?
我相信絕對不是，最低限度他們不代表我；但他們不斷這樣做，其實是會令香港的聲譽和國家的聲譽受損的。
I think the answer is absolutely no for at least they do not represent me . But when they keep behaving in such a way actually the reputation of Hong Kong and the reputation of the country will be tarnished
我想說，在今時今日的香港，非建制派的朋友可以給我一些建議，或許我也可以向國家提出一些建議，也就是應該如何做或可以做甚麼，才令他們不會"噓"國歌？
What I wish to say is nowadays in Hong Kong what should be or can be done to make people stop booing the national anthem? . Non - establishment Members can give me some ideas so that I can perhaps put forward some suggestions to the State
他們"噓"國歌，其實是"港獨"的前哨、"港獨"的思想、是要與國家分離的一種看法。
When they booed the national anthem actually this amounts to a prelude to Hong Kong independence an ideology of Hong Kong independence and a view calling for our separation from the country
所以，我在此奉勸立法會的朋友，如果稍後他們在《條例草案》進行表決時投下"No"的話，我很擔心他們下次如果當選後回到立法會宣誓時，不知道他們會如何解釋。
So let me tender an advice to Members of the Legislative Council here . If they will say No to the Bill in the vote to be taken later on I would be very concerned about how they would explain it when taking the oath should they be re - elected to the Legislative Council in the next election
第二，主席，我想說說田漢先生。
Second Chairman I would like to talk about Mr TIAN Han
如果現在罵國家對田漢先生當時的不是，其實你們現在也有責任。
If you criticize the State for treating Mr TIAN Han wrongly at that time actually you people should also be held responsible
1966年文化大革命時，他是第一批被抓進監牢的。
In the Cultural Revolution which broke out in 1966 he was among the first group of people being put to jail
據我了解，當時鄧小平先生、陳雲元帥也被下放，習仲勳元帥也被抓進監牢。
As far as I understand it Mr DENG Xiaoping and Commander CHEN Yun were also sent down to the countryside and Commander XI Zhongxun was also put behind bars
對於這些近代領導人，其實大家認為他們會同意這樣對待田漢先生嗎？
Regarding these leaders in modern times do Members think that they would agree to treat Mr TIAN Han in such a way?
所以，我想跟同事說，他們提到田漢最後的下場很悲慘，那的確很慘，因為當時發生了十分黑暗的事件，令這些人的生活很悲慘。
Therefore I would like to say this to colleagues here . They mentioned the tragic end of TIAN Han which is lamentable indeed because a most dreadful incident occurred back then making the lives of these people awfully miserable
其實不是這樣的，只是當時有一群人想得到政治紅利，最後將整個中國攪到"亂晒大籠"。
Actually this is not true . It was only because a group of people wanted to acquire a political bonus at that time and China was eventually plunged into great turmoil
主席，邪不能勝正，這些人最後也被繩之於法。
Chairman evil can never prevail over good . These people were ultimately brought to justice and punished by the law
主席，我剛才說了很多故事，市民聽到可能會覺得怎麼好像似曾相識？
Chairman I told a lot of stories just now and members of the public who have listened may find these stories somehow familiar to them
這種自相矛盾的層次已經達到"撞邪"級，好像"撞鬼"一樣。
They are self - contradictory to the extent that they are like being haunted by evil spirits or jinxed
但是，各位同事已經在立法會工作數年，有些同事甚至工作了很多年，我想大家都明白，訂立法律是要規範社會上的一些行為，如果有人干犯法律便要受罰。
However given that Honourable colleagues have already been working in the Legislative Council for several years whereas some Honourable colleagues have even been working here for many years I think all of us should understand that the purpose of enacting a law is to impose regulations on some behaviours in society . Those who have violated the law should be penalized
我們根本不能透過法律強迫人愛這個、不愛那個，或者令人願意做某件事、不願意做某件事，因為法律的精神就是，有人違反法律便應該受罰。
We simply cannot force people to love this and not to love that or make people willing to do something or unwilling to do something through legislation . It is because the spirit of the law is that people who have breached the law should be penalized
這等於法律限制了你不可以打人、襲擊人，但法律不能因此強迫你去愛那個人，故此不去打他。
That means though the law prohibits you from beating and attacking others it cannot force you to love somebody so that you will not beat him
主席，香港工會聯合會一定會堅決支持《條例草案》三讀，並希望《條例草案》可順利通過。因為《基本法》第十八條已經訂明，全國性法律可透過納入《基本法》附件三實施。
President the Hong Kong Federation of Trade Unions FTU will resolutely support the Third Reading of the Bill for sure and it is our hope that the Bill can be passed smoothly bearing in mind that Article 18 of the Basic Law has already stipulated that national laws can be implemented by incorporation into Annex III to the Basic Law
事實上，我相信這是源於很多人對執法欠缺信心，或者 他們不能接受法例的原意。
In fact I reckon this is resulted from a lack of confidence in law enforcement among many people or they cannot accept the original intent of the law
其實在很多地方、城市和國家都有這種教育，為何在香港推行便立即有人覺得這是陰謀呢？
In fact such kind of education exists in many places cities and countries . Why do people immediately regard it as a conspiracy when it is implemented in Hong Kong?
如果沒有這些經常出現的恐慌、矛盾，沒有陰謀論造成那麼多的矛盾和撕裂的話，我相信香港經濟應該可以發展得更好，而我們做事的效率應該可以更高。
If there were no such panic and conflicts which have arisen so frequently and there were no conspiracy theories to cause so many conflicts and dissensions I believe that the economy of Hong Kong should have developed far better and we should be able to get things done more efficiently
我剛才說過，很多人用陰謀論來看待這項法律，製造很大恐慌，亦造成社會矛盾，加劇香港的內耗。
As I have mentioned earlier many people view this law from the perspective of conspiracy theories thereby creating great panic and causing social conflicts which have intensified the social dissension in Hong Kong
有些人發言時經常說"我不知道怎樣才算尊重"，很多同事都問何謂不尊重，普通話說得不標準是否不尊重？
Some people often say I do not know what would be regarded as respect when giving their speeches . Many Honourable colleagues have also asked what disrespect is . Is it disrespectful if someone cannot speak standard Putonghua?
當《條例草案》三讀通過並實施後，大家便可以用事實來證明，這些陰謀論並沒有基礎，亦不會發生。
After the passage of the Third Reading of the Bill and upon its implementation we can then use the facts to prove that these conspiracy theories are unfound and they will not happen as well
他們所說的政府會藉這項法例打壓其他人是不會發生，一切都是因為有人要藉法例這是一項符合《基本法》的規定，必須在香港實施的全國性法律他們可能是為了政治目的，因而提出毫無根據的陰謀論，藉以在社會上製造恐慌，令社會出現矛盾。
They claim that the Government will make use of this law to suppress others but this will not happen . It is solely because some people have to make use of this law―a national law in line with the Basic Law which must be implemented in Hong Kong―they may do so out of political purposes and therefore they have resorted to such conspiracy theories which are unfound for the sake of creating panic in society and stirring up social conflicts
主席，所以工聯會支持《條例草案》三讀。
President FTU thus supports the Third Reading of the Bill
相信大家還記得，在討論"一地兩檢"安排的法例期間，他們也提出了很多"如果法例通過便會這樣那樣"等的說法，不斷在社會上製造恐慌和矛盾。
I believe you would still remember that when we were discussing the legislation relating to the co - location arrangement they have also put forward a bunch of sayings such as If the law is passed it will result in this and that to continuously create panic and conflicts in society
因此，我再重申，工聯會認為《條例草案》是一項符合《基本法》和憲法的法律，必須透過在今天通過三讀，盡快在香港實施，令市民更明白有些政客在過去1年多，透過《條例草案》製造很多陰謀、恐慌和社會矛盾，這些其實完全不成立。
Therefore I must reiterate that FTU holds that the Bill is a piece of legislation in line with the Basic Law and the constitution . It must be implemented in Hong Kong as soon as possible through the passage of its Third Reading today with a view to enabling members of the public to have a clearer understanding that some politicians have made use of the Bill to create a lot of conspiracies panic and social conflicts in the past year or so . Yet all of them are in fact totally unsubstantiated
我真的想不通為何同事要藉《條例草案》來製造恐慌，製造社會矛盾呢？
I really cannot figure out why Honourable colleagues have to make use of the Bill to create panic and social conflicts
工聯會也會支持《條例草案》三讀通過，並且希望透過實施這項法例，用事實告訴香港市民，有些人過去一直製造的恐慌和矛盾其實並不成立，我們不應再因為恐慌而令社會繼續撕裂，令社會上不同政見的人繼續出現矛盾，這種內耗對香港的經濟和發展是百害而無一利。
FTU will also support the passage of the Third Reading of the Bill and we also hope that by implementing this law we can use the facts to tell Hong Kong people that the panic and conflicts being continuously created by some people in the past are actually unsubstantiated . We should no longer allow social dissension to persist due to panic such that people with divergent political views in society will continue to have conflicts . Such internal attrition would bring nothing but harm to the economy and development of Hong Kong
如果你問這是否利多於弊，這種恐慌肯定只有弊，怎會有利呢？
If you ask me whether this would do more good than harm such kind of panic would definitely do harm only how would it do good?
這種恐慌會拖累香港的發展，大家經常說香港的發展最缺乏效率，無論是在科技、基建或房屋方面的發展都被人拖後腿，就是源於很多人 會藉着一些本來很正常的法例來製造恐慌，引起社會矛盾和撕裂，所以我很希望《條例草案》能夠在今天三讀通過，工聯會表示全力支持。
Such kind of panic will drag down the development of Hong Kong . We often say that the development of Hong Kong is the least efficient whether it is in the technological infrastructural or housing aspects our development has been held back because many people would make use of some laws which are actually very normal to create panic thereby stirring up social conflicts and dissension . Therefore I hope very much that the Third Reading of the Bill can be passed today and FTU gives its full support
主席，我想先回應一下邵家輝議員剛才的發言，他提到文革是"四人幫"搞出來的，又說邪不能勝正。
Chairman I would like to respond to Mr SHIU Ka - fais earlier remarks first . He said that the Cultural Revolution was started by the Gang of Four and that evil can never prevail over good
我覺得做保皇黨不要緊，但做保皇黨又不熟知國情和歷史，我便覺得差了一點點。
I think it is fine to be a royalist Member but if a royalist Member knows little about the countrys situation and history that would be a bit undesirable
主席，我引述內地最新的教科書對於文革的說法，當中是這樣說的：20世紀60年代中期，毛澤東認為黨和國家面臨着資本主義復辟的危險。
Chairman I would like to cite the views on the Cultural Revolution from the latest textbooks in the Mainland and this is what is said in them In mid - 1960s during the 20century MAO Zedong held that the Party and the State faced the danger of the restoration of capitalism
為此，他強調以階級鬥爭為綱，想通過發動文化大革命來防止資本主義復辟。
In view of this he emphasized that class struggle should be carried out as the key link and he hoped to prevent the restoration of capitalism by organizing the Cultural Revolution
所以，在1966年的夏天，文革便全面發動起來。
Therefore in the summer of 1966 the Cultural Revolution was launched on all fronts
即文革不是由"四人幫"發起的，是毛澤東主席發動的，因此，不要把責任推給"四人幫"。
It means that the Cultural Revolution was not started by the Gang of Four . It was launched by Chairman MAO Zedong . Therefore do not shift the responsibility onto the Gang of Four
還有，邵家輝議員說邪不能勝正？
Besides Mr SHIU Ka - fai said that evil can never prevail good?
不過，由此可見，主席，連文革如此重大的事件，做保皇黨的也可能尚且弄錯，更何況國歌？
Having said that Chairman it goes to show that a royalist Member may get things wrong even when it comes to such a major incident as the Cultural Revolution let alone the national anthem
對於普羅大眾究竟何時應該尊重，如何會構成侮辱其尊嚴等問題，備受尊崇的多位保皇黨議員也可能搞不清楚的時候，你們又怎能指望廣大的普羅大眾可以拿捏得準呢？
On such questions as when the general public should be respectful and what would amount to insulting or undermining the dignity when even the many respectable royalist Members may not clearly know the answers how could we expect the general public to be able to grasp the answers accurately?
主席，剛剛我看到在我的Facebook專頁上有一個留言，從名字來看，相信是一位女士，她說："'義勇軍進行曲'其實是一首非常好聽的歌，如以鋼琴彈出抒情的節奏，那是很好聽的！
Chairman just now I saw in my Facebook page a comment which I think was made by a lady judging from the name . She said and I quote March of the Volunteers is actually a very nice song and if its melody is played softly with a piano it will be most pleasing to the ear!
所以一定要就國歌立法，越快越好。
So legislation must be enacted on the national anthem . The sooner it is enacted the better
至於"義勇軍進行曲"是否好聽，又或彈奏起來是否很動聽，與它是否有尊嚴，會否增強愛國情操，是完全無關的。
As to whether March of the Volunteers is pleasing to the ear or whether the music when played with a piano is very nice to listen to it is completely unrelated to whether the song has dignity and whether patriotic sentiments will be enhanced
還記得2014年7月習近平主席訪問委內瑞拉，即使委內瑞拉的軍樂團將我們的國歌奏得荒腔走板，習主席和一眾隨行官員仍然可以神情肅穆，努力地維護國歌尊嚴。
I recall that in July 2014 when President XI Jinping visited Venezuela even though the Venezuelan military band played an out - of - tune rendition of our national anthem President XI and the officials accompanying him still remained dignified and solemn in an effort to preserve the dignity of the national anthem
便是支持就國歌立法不要緊，你有自由維護國歌的尊嚴。
What I am trying to say is that it is fine to support legislation on the national anthem as you have the freedom to defend the dignity of the national anthem
不過，主席，維護自己的智商和邏輯，其實也同樣重要。
However Chairman actually it is equally important to defend ones intelligence and logic
同時，我也想透過這個機會溫馨提示這位網友，《條例草案》附表1和附表2清楚訂明，"義勇軍進行曲"必須以進行曲速度來奏唱，如果如她所言，以抒情節奏來演奏，我不肯定她會否墮入法網。
Meanwhile I also wish to take this opportunity to kindly remind this netizen that Schedules 1 and 2 to the Bill clearly provided that March of the Volunteers must be played and sung at the march tempo and if the anthem is played softly as she suggested I am not sure if she would be caught by the law
主席，根據上述同一邏輯，其實有沒有修正案，與《條例草案》能否制定和制定得快或慢，兩者之間亦沒有必然關係，因為一來，政府必然夠票；二來，主席你亦在辯論的時間上盡力配合，特別是要在六四31周年的今天之內一定要通過。
Chairman according to the same logic that I explained above whether or not there is any amendment is not necessarily related to whether the Bill will be enacted and whether it will be enacted quickly or slowly . It is because firstly the Government certainly has enough votes and secondly Chairman you are doing everything you can to provide support in terms of the time for debate especially as the Bill must be passed today ie . the 31 anniversary of the 4 June incident
基於這個事實，我有合理的理由懷疑，那些聲言反對全部修正案的保皇黨議員是否真的有足夠的邏輯思維來判斷，他們對修正案的反對，與是否今天要盡快通過《條例草案》有必然關係呢？
Given this fact I have reasons to doubt whether those royalist Members who claimed that they would vote down all the amendments are truly capable of making a judgment through logical thinking as to whether their opposition to the amendments is definitely linked to the need for the Bill to be passed expeditiously today or otherwise
實際上，他們對於修正案的內容，即使不是我提出的這項，因為內容相對簡單，對於早前多位民主派議員提出的修正案，他們又有否嘗試理解其背後的邏輯和原因呢？
In fact regarding the contents of the amendments―let us not talk about this amendment of mine as it is relatively simple―regarding the amendments proposed by a number of pro - democracy Members earlier have they tried to find out about the logic and reasons behind the amendments?
讓我以一項被主席你拒絕我提出的修正案作為例子。
Let me take an amendment which I proposed and was rejected by you as an example
我提出刪除《條例草案》第7條"侮辱行為的罪行"，亦即刪除罰款和監禁的罰則。
I proposed the deletion of clause 7 Offence of insulting behaviour which in effect seeks to delete the penalty including the fine and imprisonment
刪除罰則背後的原因，是我們認為以罰款和監禁是難以達到《條例草案》弁言所說"增強公民的國家觀念，以及弘揚愛國精神"這立法目的。
The underlying reason for deleting the penalty is that we consider it difficult to achieve the legislative intent of enhancing citizen awareness of the Peoples Republic of China and promoting patriotism as stated in the Preamble by imposing a fine and a prison term
讓我簡單作一個假設，如果立法後，某人將"義勇軍進行曲"修改，甚至在互聯網上公開演唱，結果當然是被拘捕。
Let me make a simple assumption . If after the Bill is enacted a person made changes to March of the Volunteers and even sang it openly on the Internet certainly he would be arrested as a result
假設法庭將他重判監禁3年，出獄後，這人最多只是不再犯這罪，但他的國家觀念和愛國精神會否因此而有所增加？
Assuming the court has imposed on him a heavy prison sentence of three years and after he was released from prison he would at most refrain from committing this offence again but will his awareness of the country and patriotic sentiments be enhanced?
如果我們從唱國歌時有沒有肅立、有沒有簽名支持修訂《逃犯條例》、有沒有登報支持國安法等這些表面行為來論斷一個人是否愛國的話，《條例草案》是否需要加入字眼，訂明是要增加公民"表面"的國家觀念，弘揚"表面"的愛國精神呢？
If we make a judgment on whether or not a person is patriotic by looking at his overt behaviours such as whether he stands solemnly when singing the national anthem whether he has put down his signature in support of the amendment of the Fugitive Offenders Ordinance and whether he has put up an advertisement in newspaper to support the national security law is it necessary to include wording in the Bill to provide that the objective is to enhance citizen overt awareness of the country and promote overt patriotism?
這樣，罰則才會有意義。
Only in this way will the penalty be meaningful
一首國歌要用刑事化，用懲罰的手段要求人民愛它、尊崇它，其實這代表甚麼？
When criminalization and punishment are used to make people love and respect a national anthem actually what does it mean?
是這首歌已經遭到部分人民或至少當中一小部分人民唾棄。不是因為這首歌不動聽，不是因為這首歌演奏的時候走音，而是因為這首歌所代表的背後權力來源令這些人感到不滿，甚至被他們唾棄。
It means that this song is spurned by some people or at least a small number of people not because this song is not pleasing to the ear or it is played out of tune but because the power represented by or behind this song has aroused discontent among the people and is even spurned by the people
根據何君堯議員昨天採用的"追女仔"愛國論邏輯，如果《條例草案》訂明罰則的話，即是說有一位女士現在用槍指着你，要你娶她，如果你不娶她，便向你開槍；你娶她的話，你便不用死，不過，這把槍將永遠放在床頭對着你。
According to the logic of Dr Junius HOs theory of patriotism which compares patriotism to chasing a girlfriend as expounded by him yesterday the stipulation of penalty in the Bill would be tantamount to a woman pointing a gun at you to make you marry her . If you do not marry her she would fire at you; and if you marry her you do not have to die but this gun will be forever placed at your bedside pointing at you
主席，如此的婚姻生活是否值得稱頌？
Chairman is such a marriage praiseworthy?
如此的婚姻生活是否反映有真愛？
Can such a marriage reflect true love?
主席，說回修正案，何議員昨天說《條例草案》第11條已經列明"按照香港法律進行調查及予以檢控"，所以，我的修正案是多此一舉。
Chairman let me turn back to my amendment . Dr HO said yesterday that since clause 11 of the Bill already provided that the offences are investigated and persons are prosecuted according to the laws of Hong Kong my amendment is therefore superfluous
我覺得認為我的修正案是多此一舉的議員不應該問我，而是應該問你，梁君彥主席，因為是你批准我提出的，而根 據你明察秋毫的判斷，在削減大量的修正案下仍能夠保留我這項修正案，這必然不是多此一舉。
I think the Member who cosniders my amendment superfluous should direct the question not to me but to you President Andrew LEUNG because it was you who gave me permission to propose it and according to your astute discerning judgment if this amendment of mine can remain when the number of amendments is cut substantially I would say that it is definitely not superfluous
所以，主席，認為這項修正案是多此一舉的議員，他不要追究我，也不要問我，他應該問主席你，但當然，你的判斷是不容辯論的，所以他們不應該出聲，這便是簡單的邏輯。
Therefore Chairman the Member who considers this amendment superfluous should not go after me or ask me about it for he should bring it up with you Chairman . But of course your judgment is undebatable and therefore they should not utter a word about it . This logic is simple
主席，任何人如果認為我這項修正案有問題，當然可以反對，而民主派議員的修正案應該會全部被否決。
Chairman anyone who sees problems with this amendment of mine can certainly object to it and the amendments proposed by the pro - democracy Members are all expected to be voted down
即使是這樣，當我們看到《條例草案》有問題的時候，我們仍然有責任必須透過提出修正案指出問題，修補漏洞。
In spite of this when we see problems with the Bill we are still duty - bound to point them out and plug the loopholes by putting forward amendments
即使如何的多此一舉或白費心機，我們仍然應該這樣做，因為這是立法會議員的專業和職責所在。
Despite it being pointless to do so or how our efforts will go down the drain we still should do it for this is the professionalism and duty required of Members of the Legislative Council
我希望那些做了差不多4年議員的人要弄清楚這個事實，認真做好你們的工作，而不要做2020年香港的"兩個凡是"派。
For those people who have been Members of this Council for nearly four years I hope that they are clearly aware of this fact and will perform their duties seriously rather than championing the two whatevers in Hong Kong in 2020