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多謝梁國雄議員提出"設立全民退休保障制度"的議員議案，因為這項議案告訴我們，退休保障的爭議未劃上句號，而全民退休保障亦未劃上句號，儘管政府在2016年年底已表示退休保障的諮詢已經完結。
I thank Mr LEUNG Kwok - hung for proposing the Members Motion on Establishing a universal retirement protection system because this motion tells us that a full stop has been put to neither the controversy over retirement protection nor universal retirement protection notwithstanding the Governments claim in late 2016 that the consultation exercise on retirement protection had been concluded
或許對政府來說，這已是句號，但對民間社會人士、長者及過往30年來爭取全民退保的人來說，這並非句號，頂多只是感歎號。
The Government may see it as a full stop but to members of the community the elderly and those who have been fighting for universal retirement protection over the past 30 years instead of a full stop it is an exclamation mark at most
羅致光局長作為大學社會工作學系導師、前立法會議員、扶貧委員會委員及關愛基金專責小組主席，今天第一次以勞工及福利局局長的身份前來立法會正式工作，還要回應我們提出關乎全民退休保障的議案，我真的有種冥冥中自有主宰的巧妙之感。
As a university teacher of the Department of Social Work former Legislative Council Member member of the Commission on Poverty and the Chairperson of the Community Care Fund Task Force Secretary Dr LAW Chi - kwong is discharging his official duties in the Legislative Council today for the first time in the capacity as the Secretary for Labour and Welfare who even has to respond to our motion on universal retirement protection . Such a coincidence has really given me a sense of destiny
當他上場時，我在記者面前說他是一個有能力的人。
When he took office I described him as a competent person in front of the media
他左腦的能力非常發達，我只希望他右腦的能力也同樣發達。
His left brain is well developed and I just hope that his right brain is equally so
左腦管理邏輯、計算，在資訊時代要洋洋灑灑；左腦亦管理右邊的身體，令自己能清楚解讀字面的意思，分析很多細節。
The left brain governs logic and arithmetics so that we may cope well in the information age . The left brain also governs the right side of the body so that we may have a clear comprehension of literal meaning and analyse a great deal of details
但今天我們要進入右腦的時代，而右腦時代講求同理心、故事感、設計感和體驗，關乎如何控制我們左邊的身體、領會弦外之音和考慮全局。
But today we are about to enter the age of the right brain which stresses empathy story sense design and experience and concerns how we control the left side of our body read between the lines and consider the big picture
談到同理心，我應該與羅致光局長談談同理心。
Talking about empathy I think I should discuss it with Secretary Dr LAW Chi - kwong
對於"三餐不繼"這4個字，我不知道他今天還有甚麼感覺。
I do not know what feelings he has towards the words hardly able to afford three square meals a day today
香港的確沒有甚麼人直接因飢餓而死亡，但不少基層市民仍然因擔心食物不足、不能糊口而活在惶恐之中。
Indeed starvation is seldom the direct cause of death in Hong Kong but quite a number of grass roots are still living in apprehension worrying about having enough to eat and making ends meet
香港中文大學社會工作學系及香港社會服務聯會在2014年進行的"社會弱勢人士的匱乏研究"發現，全港有超過36,000人因經濟困難而未能負擔一天三餐。
According to the findings of the Research Study on the Deprivation of the Disadvantaged in Hong Kong jointly conducted by The Chinese University of Hong Kong and the Hong Kong Council of Social Services in 2014 more than 36 000 people territory - wide are unable to afford three square meals a day due to financial difficulties
每天面對這份惶恐的其中一種基層人士就是清貧長者，而這個數字還未包括大量隱蔽個案。
The impoverished elderly are among the grass roots subject to such apprehension daily and these figures do not cover a large number of hidden cases
吃不飽的長者會怎樣做呢？
What will the elderly having not enough food do?
我曾接觸很多長者，有些長者要省着吃，將一餐的錢分作三餐；有些長者特地到街市購買收市前的減價菜；有些長者甚至為了節省十元八塊而到街市的垃圾桶或後巷撿爛菜煮食。
I have come across a number of elderly people . Some of them will have frugal meals so that they may afford three meals with the same amount of money . Some of them will purposely buy discounted vegetables at the markets just before the stalls close
有些長者告訴我，他們盡量購買便宜的豬骨，並非因為他們喜歡吃豬骨，而是因為豬骨更耐煮，因而可以多吃數餐有味粥。
Some of them will even pick through the rubbish bins or back alleys of markets for rotten vegetables as their meals just to save a few pennies . Some elderly people tell me that they will buy the cheaper pork bones by all means not because of their good taste but because of their durability so that they may have seasoned congees for a few more meals
此外，當我們到深水埗西九龍中心的快餐店和food court 時，相信也會看到有長者吃"二手飯"的畫面。
In addition I believe when we go to the fast food restaurants and the food court of Dragon Centre in Sham Shui Po we will find some elderly people eating the leftovers of others
難道這就是安老政策？
Could we call it an elderly care policy?
較為進取的長者會如何呢？
What will those elderly people who look for more do?
他們會留意哪一區有愛心飯店派飯和派物資，但不要以為派飯是一種有便宜可撿的行為，因為長者往往為了一盒只值30元的飯而要在酷熱天氣或下雨天排隊輪候四五個小時，並無誇大。
They will try to get information about the districts where they can get meal boxes from charity restaurants and necessities for free . But let us not assume that the act of giving away meal boxes is something that will do the elderly a big favour because more often than not they have to queue up for four or five hours in hot or rainy weather just for a 30 - dollar meal box and this is no exaggeration
有甚麼事情會令羅局長花四五個小時排隊呢？
What will keep Secretary Dr LAW waiting in line for four or five hours?
主席，今天討論"革新過時法例，促進創新科技發展"議案是非常有意義的。
President the motion on Reforming outdated legislation and promoting the development of innovation and technology under discussion today is extremely meaningful
眾所周知，科技發展，特別是創新科技發展是社會經濟發展的領頭羊，如果創新科技做得好，定能成為全球經濟發展最好的地方。
As we all know technology development particularly the development of innovation and technology is the leading sheep in economic development in society . If technology development of a place fares well the place will definitely enjoy the best economic development in the world
我想從4方面分析科技發展對香港的影響，特別是香港過去被稱為四小龍之一。
I would like to analyse the impact of technology development on Hong Kong in four aspects particularly when Hong Kong was dubbed one of the Four Little Dragons in the past
2016年，世界經濟論壇公布香港在科技發展排名第九，新加坡則排第二。
In 2016 the World Economic Forum announced that Hong Kong ranked the ninth in technology development while Singapore ranked the second
這排名聽起來不覺有太大分別，因為大家也認為新加坡的科技發展一直在亞洲領先。
The difference in rankings does not seem to be significant for we all consider Singapore has been in the lead in technology development in Asia all along
不過，香港在數十年前已屬最先進地區，而香港的創新及科技基金於1990年代創立，至2015年已批出共90多億元，供申請的中小企業進行創新科技發展。
Yet Hong Kong was indeed regarded as the most advanced region a few decades ago . Since the establishment of the Innovation and Technology Fund in 1990 9 - odd billion has been granted by 2015 to small and medium enterprises SMEs applicants to pursue innovation and technology development
可是，時至今日，香港竟然落後於新加坡，這是難以想象的。
However to date Hong Kong is lagging behind Singapore . It is really inconceivable
我認為他們應該重新檢討，他們這種想法是否錯誤，以及對侵權行為應否加以管制，他們需要就這些事向公眾交代。
I think they should reconsider if they had been wrong in thinking so and whether regulation should be imposed on infringement activities . They should explain their case to the public on these issues
我們看看新加坡，新加坡如今在四小龍中排名第一，因為新加坡是全球第二大的科技大國。
Let us look at the case in Singapore . Singapore ranks the first among the Four Little Dragons this year for Singapore is the second major technology nation in the world
新加坡在這方面的發展，聚焦在數方面。
The development in Singapore in this aspect focuses on a number of areas
第一方面，他們在科研發展上聚焦於以科技立國。
First in the development of technology and research they focus on the concept that their country should be founded on technology
第三方面，是官方和產業研究緊 密合作，即科研緊密合作。
Third they focus on the close cooperation between the Government and industries in technology development and research efforts
第四方面，由企業主導、政府引導。
Fourth the development is led by enterprises and guided by the Government
在這方面，我希望局長聽到這最重要的一點，便是企業主導，政府引導，政府千萬別過度干預。
In this connection I hope the Secretary will hear this most important point that is development is led by enterprises and guided by the Government so the Government should refrain from making excessive intervention
主席，退休問題在香港已經討論了好一段時間，我自2012年加入立法會至今已有5年，其間這議題一直沸沸揚揚，原因之一是香港人口已經開始老年化，長者貧窮人數有增無減。
President the retirement issue has been discussed in Hong Kong for quite a while . It has been five years since I joined the Legislative Council during which this issue has always been a hot topic . One of the reasons is that the Hong Kong population has started ageing
在2011年，香港65歲或以上的人口只有90萬，到2016年已上升至117萬。
The number of elderly people living in poverty has increased instead of decreasing . In 2011 the population aged 65 or above in Hong Kong was only 900 000 . In 2016 it rose to 1.17 million
很多長者因為退休後沒有收入，已跌入貧窮之列。
Many elderly people have fallen into poverty because they have no income after retirement . The Commission on Poverty CoP released its report last year
去年，扶貧委員會發表報告，長者貧窮人數高達30萬，而最近政府統計處公布的堅尼系數更高達0.539，其中原因，與長者貧窮人口擴大有關。
The number of poor elderly people reached 300 000 . The Gini Coefficient recently released by the Census and Statistics Department even reached 0.539 . One of the reasons is related to the growth of the elderly population in poverty
在此，我先不爭拗堅尼系數和貧窮線是否忽略或隱藏了長者資產的問題，不過，作為大都會的香港，經濟排名屢屢名列前茅，卻竟然出現貧富懸殊的情況，不禁令人慨嘆，香港的窮人和貧窮長者為何這麼淒慘？
Here let me leave aside the question of whether the Gini Coefficient and the poverty line have ignored or concealed the assets of the elderly . However in such a metropolis as Hong Kong which has repeatedly ranked high in terms of its economy a wealth gap has appeared . One cannot but find it lamentable
另一原因是強積金未能發揮效用。
Another reason is the failure of the Mandatory Provident Fund MPF System to produce the desired effects
關於強積金的對沖問題如何削弱了強積金的保障能力，我的黨友稍後會針對這方面發言。
Regarding how the MPF offsetting arrangement has weakened MPFs protection my party comrade will speak on this issue later
我想在這裏提出的是，強積金制度只涵蓋"打工仔女"，未有參與勞動市場的人一概未能受惠。
The point I wish to raise here is that the MPF System only covers wage earners . People not engaged in the labour market cannot be benefited at all
此外，一些較年長的僱員往往只供款一段較短時期，所以強積金對他們來說，難以發揮作用，加上強積金的強制供款比率只是5%，對很多人來說，這似乎是雞肋，食之無味，棄之可惜。
Moreover very often the older employees will only make contributions for a short period . For this reason as far as they are concerned MPF can hardly serve its functions . In addition the mandatory MPF contribution rate is only 5 %
難怪社會每次討論全民退休保障時，大家都會感到憤慨，期望未來能有更佳的保障制度。
No wonder every time when universal retirement protection is discussed in society we feel indignant and expect to have a better system of protection in the future . The retirement issue has been under continuous discussion in society
退保問題在社會上討論持續，不同團體、黨派和學者均積極提出不同方案，社會討論氣氛十分熱烈，可謂一時無兩，加上政府願意作出回應，透過扶貧委員會提出方案，更把坊間的討論推動得如火如荼。
Different organizations political parties and groupings and scholars have actively put forward different proposals . The atmosphere of discussion in society is unprecedentedly enthusiastic . In addition the Government is willing to respond and has made a proposal through CoP thus pushing the heated discussion in the community with greater vigour
不過，退休保障並非一項短期政策，而是既重要又複雜的公共政策，不僅關乎現今世代，更與未來世代息息相關，影響深遠，政府有必要作出深入研究和謹慎考慮，這方面大家是理解的。
Yet retirement protection is not a short - term policy . Rather it is an important and complicated public policy which is not only concerned with the present generation but also closely related to the future generations with far - reaching impacts . It is imperative that the Government conduct an in - depth study with careful considerations
我們認為，理想的退休保障應該達致全民受惠，換句話說，不論長者過去從事甚麼工作，屬於甚麼階層，我們都應該致力保障他們的晚年生活，以報答長者多年來對香港的貢獻，並體現政府對照顧長者的承擔和基本責任。
This is understandable . In our view an ideal form of retirement protection should benefit all people . In other words regardless of what jobs the elderly did in the past and to which classes they belong we should strive to protect their livelihood in their twilight years so as to repay the elderly for their contribution to Hong Kong over the years and manifest the Governments commitment to and basic responsibility of looking after the elderly
因此，民主建港協進聯盟一直倡議可獲退休保障的應該是全民，絕不能顧此失彼。
For this reason the Democratic Alliance for the Betterment and Progress of Hong Kong DAB has all along advocated that retirement protection should be universal . It absolutely cannot just take care of some people to the neglect of others
在推行全民退休保障時，分派劃一金額，可否照顧到貧窮長者呢？
During the implementation of universal retirement protection will a uniform payment be able to take care of the poor elderly?
事實上，我們一直存有疑問，劃一津貼金額究竟應定在甚麼水平，才足夠保障長者生活？
In fact we have always doubted at what level the uniform payment should be set in order to afford the elderly sufficient protection for their living
我們要知道，每個人的退休生活質素和實際需要都不盡相同，劃一金額這條界線應如何釐定，實在是一個很大的課題。
We have got to know that the living standard and actual needs in everyones retirement life may vary . How the line for the uniform payment should be drawn is indeed a big question
不過，社會資源並非無窮無盡，不論我們採取按需要分配，還是劃一分配的方案，政府在推行退休保障方案時必須考慮融資問題。
However social resources are not unlimited . No matter whether we adopt the proposal of distribution according to needs or handing out a uniform payment the Government must consider the question of financing in implementing the retirement protection proposal
雖然政府和社會團體都提出了一些方案，但最終均會牽涉改革稅制或現有強積金制度，過程複雜而且千絲萬縷，相信對新一屆政府而言，將會是一個重大的考驗。
The proposals made by the Government and the community organizations will ultimately involve a reform of the tax regime or the existing MPF System . The process is complicated with a cobweb of relations . I believe it will be a tall challenge to the Government of the new term
我們期望當局應以嶄新思維，在平衡各方利益和綜合意見後，推動落實。
We expect the authorities to take forward the implementation with a brand new mindset after striking a balance among the interests of all parties and consolidating their views
因此，民建聯就今個年度的施政報告中的長者措施提出多項優化建議，希望可以令長者盡快獲得支援。
Hence DAB has made various suggestions to enhance the measures for the elderly in this years Policy Address in the hope that the elderly can be given support expeditiously
首先，我們建議在現行長生津上增加一層高額津貼，以協助一些擁有小量積蓄作為"棺材本"的長者，他們很多寧願省吃儉用，也不會輕易動用這筆金錢。
First of all we suggest adding a tier of higher payment to the existing OALA to help those elderly people who have a small amount of savings as their funeral money . Many of them would rather live a frugal life than using this sum of money casually
我們相信，增設一層高額津貼可以支援他們緊絀的生活。
We believe that adding a tier of higher payment to the allowance can support their hard - up living
不過，政府建議高額長生津的資產限額只是144,000元，這未免過分嚴苛。
However the asset limit for the higher rate of OALA proposed by the Government is only 144,000 . This is a bit too harsh
我們經常接觸的長者均期望政府能將這資產限額提高至最少30萬元。
The elderly with whom we have frequent contact expect the Government to raise this asset limit to at least 300,000
此外，應該調整高齡津貼制度，免審查資產和免入息限額，令每名長者到65歲時便可獲得一筆金額。
Moreover the system of OAA should be adjusted to be free from any means test or income limit so that every old person will receive a sum of money when he reaches the age of 65
按照我們的建議，按經濟狀況可取得不同程度的支援，較為貧窮的人士可以多取一些津貼。
According to our suggestions people will receive different degrees of support depending on their financial conditions . Those who are poorer may obtain a greater amount of allowance
換言之，調整政策後的高齡津貼、長生津及高額長生津可以覆蓋全港長者，達致全民受惠。
In other words after the policy is adjusted OAA OALA and the higher - rate payment of OALA will cover all the elderly in Hong Kong thereby benefiting all people
此外，我們建議將 高額長生津的資產上限放寬至30萬元，較現時的22萬元為高，相信可以令現時領取長生津的40多萬人受惠。
Besides we suggest relaxing the asset limit for the tier of higher OALA payment to 300,000 higher than the existing limit of 220,000 . I believe it will benefit the current 400 000 - odd recipients of OALA
最後，我們建議政府應該同時提供其他配套措施，為我們的退休長者提供更多元化的安排。
Lastly we suggest that the Government simultaneously provide other complementary measures and make more diversified arrangements for our old retirees
我現在請容海恩議員動議修正案。
I now call upon Ms YUNG Hoi - yan to move her amendment
議員已獲通知，由於容海恩議員的修正案獲得通過，毛孟靜議員及姚思榮議員已撤回他們的修正案。
Members have already been informed as Ms YUNG Hoi - yans amendment has been passed Ms Claudia MO and Mr YIU Si - wing have withdrawn their amendments
代理主席，聽了議員這兩天的發言，發現大部分議員的言論或立場也頗為一致。
Deputy President after hearing the remarks made by Members yesterday and today I notice that the remarks or stands of most of the Members are in agreement to a large extent
他們第一考量往往是有關做法是否違法，政府一定要把這守舊的思維丟棄，不應常常倒果為因，將法例作為執法目的。
The first thing the authorities consider is whether or not certain practices contravene the law . The Government must discard this conservative mentality . It should not always mix up the means with the ends overlooking that laws are merely a means to the end in enforcement
近年，我發現政府對創新科技的反應滯後，並且以一種害怕和逃避的態度來處理。
In recent years I have noticed that the Government has been caught in a lag in responding to innovation and technology adopting a fearful and evasive attitude
我最為震驚的是我們之前提到的Uber事件，我也曾就這議題發表意見。
I am most shocked by the Uber incident which we mentioned earlier and I had expressed my views on this question in the past
不過，創新及科技局局長的回應卻令人震驚，他身為創新及科技局局長竟認為Uber違法，認為他們這樣做是不對的，會影響業界利益。
However the response of the Secretary for Innovation and Technology was dismaying . As the Secretary for Innovation and Technology he considered Ubers operation unlawful and Ubers practice was wrong for it affected the interest of the industry
正如她昨天所說，遇上一些重要問題，她會即時責成各政策局坐下來商討、解決。
As she said yesterday if important issues arise she will instruct various Policy Bureaux to come together to discuss and find a solution to the problem
代理主席，當整個政府如出一轍，在施政上的思維和行為也是如此時，我們如何期望創新科技可在香港落地生根呢？
Deputy President when the Government as a whole acts precisely along the same line in terms of mentality and behaviour in administration how can we expect innovation and technology to take root in Hong Kong?
最後，我想以一組數字作為給政府的警號。
Finally I would like to sound an alarm to the Government by means of a group of figures
2013年，有統計顯示共享經濟只佔全球約35億美元的估值。
In 2013 it was indicated in a survey that the estimated worth of sharing economy worldwide was merely about USD3.5 billion
根據羅兵咸永道估計，這個走勢到2025年代理主席，很快便會到來在全球經濟效益中會發展到3,350億美元，香港是否想繼續落後於形勢呢？
According to the estimate of PricewaterhouseCoopers the trend of sharing economy will develop to be worth USD335 in global economy by 2025―Deputy President that will be very soon . Do we want Hong Kong to be in a continual lag?
代理主席，聽到剛才多位同事的發言，不無感慨。
Deputy President I cannot help feeling upset as I listen to the remarks made by a number of Honourable colleagues earlier
每當有福利機構，如"惜食堂"等組織派飯時，大家或會感受到有人在做善事，既環保又可幫助貧窮人口。
Whenever voluntary organizations like the Food Angel arrange giveaway meals people may feel that they are showing kindness and helping the poor
可是，如果處身其中，難免感到心酸，我相信局長也有這 方面的經驗。
Yet if one is there one cannot help feeling sad . I think the Secretary must have experienced that too
香港大約有100萬長者人口，當中30萬名活在貧窮線下，而長者貧窮率是一般貧窮率的兩倍。
The elderly population in Hong Kong is around 1 million . Among these people 300 000 over 30 % are living below the poverty line whereas the elderly poverty rate is twice the general poverty rate
換言之，香港的貧富懸殊越來越接近1，而極端的貧富狀態便是1，這代表香港的貧富懸殊情況已越來越嚴重。
In other words the disparity between the rich and the poor in Hong Kong is approaching 1 whereas the status of extreme disparity between the rich and poor is reflected by the coefficient 1
當然，有很多人會爭論不應只看該系數，因為可能是全部人一同拉高了數據，也就是說情況可能已經改善，只是好的人變得更好，所以貧富懸殊率才會高。
In other words the problem of disparity between the rich and the poor is worsening . Certainly many people may argue that the coefficient is not the sole indicator for the figure reflecting the disparity between the rich and poor may have been driven upwards because the well - off people have become better and improvement may have already been achieved
他們沒有注意現實的情況，不知市民活在水深火熱中。
They have given no regard to the reality unaware that people are in deep water
不過，我想告訴他，正因香港那5根支柱充斥裂痕和不足，今天才有那麼多長者站出來，民間才有這麼大的聲音爭取要求改善。
Yet I would like to tell him that exactly because of the cracks and inadequacies found in the five pillars of Hong Kong many elderly people have come forward today and the community has expressed a strong demand for improvement
多位同事也有提到其中一根支柱強積金，但這根支柱顯然令市民大眾沒法老有所養。
Many colleagues have mentioned one of those pillars that is the Mandatory Provident Fund MPF System . This pillar has obviously prevented the public from enjoying a sense of security in their old age
第二，不單是虧損，即使該年度沒有虧損，所得增長也可能無法支付行政費。
Second even if no loss is recorded for the year the growth in benefits will not be adequate to meet the management fees
可是，我認為"拉布"最成功的其實是特區政府。
Yet I think the filibuster by the SAR Government has been the most successful
我希望局長知道民間也有很多這種方案，希望他盡量聆聽市民的聲音。
I hope the Secretary knows that many proposals like the one mentioned just now are available in the community and I hope he will listen to the opinions of the public by all means
昨天，林鄭月娥表示，她會責成各局長與各政黨及民間團體溝通，聽取真正的民意。
Yesterday Carrie LAM said that she would instruct the Secretaries of Departments and Directors of Bureaux to communicate with peoples organizations to listen to genuine public views
今天的發言時間很短，只有7分鐘，我無法詳列所有數據，但我相信即使我不說，局長也滿肚數據。
The speaking time today is short . I only have seven minutes and I cannot set out all the figures . Yet even if I do not mention them the Secretary has all those figures at heart
梁振英政府經常自誇其德政，如果有，也只有這一項，便是設立長者生活津貼。
The LEUNG Chun - ying Administration often brags about its benevolent policies . If there is any there is only this one the setting up of the Old Age Living Allowance OALA
因為"生果金"的金額太少，於是再提供一些額外的金錢，如果長者生活津貼不設資產入息審查，其功能便接近全民退休保障，分別只是金額的多少。
Since the amount of the fruit grant is too small an additional amount of money is provided . If there is no means test for OALA its function will be close to that of universal retirement protection . The only difference is the amount of money
但是，梁振英在2012年10月推出2,200元的長者生活津貼時，保留了資產入息審查，所以當年在財務委員會申請撥款時，遭"長毛"梁國雄議員"拉布"。
However when LEUNG Chun - ying introduced OALA at the amount of 2,200 in October 2012 the means test was retained . For this reason when the funding application was made to the Finance Committee it met the filibuster staged by Long Hair Mr LEUNG Kwok - hung
懂得公共政策和公共財政的林鄭月娥去年公布諮詢文件，文件表明對不論貧富，向所有長者發放津貼的原則有所保留。
Consequently some young people bought her point . Carrie LAM well - versed in public finance and public policies released a consultation document last year . The document expressed clearly reservations about the principle of issuing an allowance to all the elderly regardless of rich or poor
首先，我反對使用"不論貧富"這字眼。
First of all I oppose the use of the expression regardless of rich or poor
說到"不論貧富"，今天一些建制派議員使用"通派"的說法，將沒有資產入息限制稱為"不論貧富"方案，但其實現時香港很多概念也是全民的，教育是全民的，不設資產審查；公營醫療是全民的，不設資產審查。
Speaking of regardless of rich or poor today some Members of the pro - establishment camp have put it as indiscriminate distribution and called the non - means - tested proposal as a regardless of rich or poor option . However now actually many practices in Hong Kong are founded on the concept of universality . Education is universal without any means test
所以，有些議員反對全民退休保障，說有些老人家持有數個物業，又經常去旅行等，說這些話是沒有意思的。
So is public health care . Hence it is pointless for Members who oppose universal retirement protection to say that some elderly people hold several property units travel a lot and so on
如果真的要進行這項討論，我便要問，如果我們把資產上限設於500萬元不計他們現正居住的物業是否訂下這條界線，他們便會支持整項退休保障計劃呢？
If we are to conduct such a discussion I would like to ask the following question if we set the asset limit at 5 million―excluding the properties in which they are now living―will they support the entire retirement protection scheme if such a line is drawn?
政府在諮詢中假設8萬元為資產限額，定為"有經濟需要"方案，說"不論貧富"方案或會引致加稅8.3%，建議社會應該集中討論如何強 化現有的社會保障支柱項目。
In the consultation exercise the Government supposed the asset limit was 80,000 and defined it as the those with financial needs option . It said that the regardless of rich or poor option might lead to an increase of 8.3 % in the tax rate . It suggested that society should focus the discussion on how to strengthen the existing pillars of social security
其實，我也知道特首林鄭月娥至今仍不支持全民退休保障，我們現在說甚麼都仿如對牛彈琴。
In fact I know that to date Chief Executive Carrie LAM still does not support universal retirement protection . No matter what we are saying now it is like playing the lute to a cow
最令我感到難過的是，昨天有一群爭取全民退休保障的長者來到立法會的示威區示威，希望把信件交給新特首，但她沒有接過公公婆婆的這封信。
What saddened me most is that yesterday a group of elderly people fighting for universal retirement protection came to the demonstration area of the Legislative Council to stage a protest . They wished to give a letter to the new Chief Executive but she did not take this letter from the elderly . This group of elderly people had travelled a long way to come here
這群公公婆婆千里迢迢前來，有些早上5時便起床，希望來表達他們這個心願，他們不是為了自己，我聽到他們今次的標語是"代代安心"，他們是為了下一代。
Some got up in the early morning at 5 am . They came here to express their wish . They did not do it for themselves