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所以，主席，我希望政府在重新訂立標準時，應增設一個類別，就是市民為公義而被迫上法院尋求公義的時候，政府必須考慮自己正在做甚麼，然後給其對手即市民同等力量，否則香港會不斷淪落，因為小市民沒有能力和資源，與財雄勢大的政府對簿公堂。
Thus President I hope that the Government will create another category when it is resetting the standards . When members of the public are forced to seek justice through legal proceedings in court the Government must consider what it is doing and then give its opponents―members of the public―the same capability; otherwise Hong Kong will continue to deteriorate . Members of the public do not have the financial means and resources to go to Court with the Government which has great financial strength
主席，我當然不想這樣。
President I certainly do not wish to see this
我同意政府要增加資源，如果政府這隻手要打市民，麻煩另一隻手也要留存少許公義，容許市民在法援制度內有一個方法，令到被政府一拳一拳不斷攻擊的弱勢、勢孤力弱的小市民，也有渠道和方法與政府繼續對抗。
I agree that the Government should increase resources . If the Government wishes to hit members of the public with one hand will it please retain some justice in its other hand so as to allow the general public access to a means in the legal aid system thereby giving the disadvantaged the weak and the powerless members of the public under the continuous attack and batter of the Government a channel and a means to continue their confrontation with the Government
抱歉，我剛才發言時未有作出申報。
I am sorry . I had not declared interest when I spoke just now
主席，我現以根據《法律援助條例》第7a條提出的擬議決議案小組委員會主席的身份作出報告。
President I will now report to this Council in my capacity as Chairman of the Subcommittee on Proposed Resolution under Section 7a of the Legal Aid Ordinance Cap . 91
擬議決議案旨在根據政府當局的周年檢討結果，將《法律援助條例》第5條指明的普通法律援助計劃財務資格限額，由290,380元調高至302,000元，以及將第5A條指明的法律援助輔助計劃財務資格限額，由1,451,900元調高至1,509,980元。
The proposed resolution seeks to increase the financial eligibility limit under the Ordinary Legal Aid Scheme as specified in section 5 of the Legal Aid Ordinance LAO from 290,380 to 302,000 and the financial eligibility limit under the Supplementary Legal Aid Scheme SLAS as specified in section 5A from 1,451,900 to 1,509,980
小組委員會共舉行了兩次會議，審議政府當局根據《法律援助條例》第7a條提出的擬議決議案。
The Subcommittee has held two meetings to examine the proposed resolution put forth by the Government under section 7a of LAO
委員均認同有關調整是符合現有機制，但部分委員表示，由於原先用作為基線的財務資格限額實在太低，即使按物價變動每年調整，對於有真正需要提出法律訴訟卻缺乏財務資源的人士來說，現時的財務資格限額仍不足以滿足他們的需要。
Members agree that the adjustment is in line with the existing mechanism . Yet some members reckon that as the original financial eligibility limits adopted as the baseline were too low even with the annual adjustments based on price movement the current financial eligibility limits are inadequate to meet the need of people who have a genuine need to initiate legal actions but lack financial resources
對於政府當局現時每兩年一次檢討的財務資格限額未有計及訟費變動，是由於未能得到有關資料，委員對此表示關注並提出多項建議，例如進行顧問研究以確定私人訟費金額，以及向司法機構索取經由法院評定的訟費等。
Regarding the existing biennial review of financial eligibility limits conducted by the Administration which has not taken into account changes in litigation costs Members have expressed concerns and put forth various suggestions . These include the commissioning of a consultancy study to ascertain private litigation costs and the seeking of information about the costs assessed by the Court from the Judiciary
政府當局表示會考慮委員的意見，研究是否有空間進一步改善調整財務資格限額的機制。
The Administration expresses that it will take into account Members views and consider whether there is room for further enhancement of the financial eligibility limit adjustment mechanism
此外，有委員建議政府當局應考慮全面檢討財務資格限額制度，以確保不會出現由於欠缺財務資源而未能尋求公義的情況。
Moreover some Members suggest that the Administration should consider conducting a comprehensive review of the financial eligibility limit system to ensure that lack of financial resources will not impede access to justice
他們建議政府當局就此進行檢討時，可分析不同種類獲批法律援助個案所招致的法律費用，妥善分配法律援助資源予不同種類的法律援助申請。
They suggest that in conducting the review the Administration may analyse the legal costs incurred in cases by categories to optimize the allocation of legal aid resources to applications under different categories
即使他們可以在法律援助輔助計劃申請法律援助，惟該計劃的潛在財政負擔，可能影響他們以法律訴訟方式來保障本身的合法權益。
Though they may apply for legal aid under SLAS the potential financial burden arising from the scheme may affect them in taking legal actions to protect their legitimate interest and rights
政府當局回應時表示，根據《法律援助條例》，法律援助署署長如信納某人在一項涉及違反《香港人權法案條例》或抵觸《公民權利和政治權利國際公約》中適用於香港的規定是其中爭論點的法律程序中，會獲發給法律援助證書，法律援助署署長可以免除所施加的財務資源限制。
In response the Administration explains that under LAO Cap . 91 the Director of Legal Aid DLA may waive the limit of financial resources imposed where DLA is satisfied that a person would be granted a legal aid certificate in proceedings which involve a breach of the Hong Kong Bill of Rights Ordinance Cap . 383 or an inconsistency with the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights as applied to Hong Kong is an issue
此舉可提供保障，確保涉及人權訴訟的法律援助申請不會由於經濟情況而遭拒絕。
This serves as a safeguard to ensure that legal aid applications for proceedings involving human rights issues will not be refused on means
此外，政府當局正準備向立法會提交立法修訂，以落實擴大法律援助輔助計劃涵蓋範圍的建議。
Moreover the Administration is preparing to introduce the legislative amendments into the Legislative Council to implement the proposal on the expansion of the scope of SLAS
再者，有委員對法律援助申請的審批準則表示關注。
Furthermore some Members are concerned about the vetting and approval criteria of legal aid applications
他們留意到在某些個案中，由於只涉及小額申索款額，法律援助署因而拒絕向申請人批出法律援助，有委員對此表示失望。
They note that in certain cases the Legal Aid Department LAD has refused to grant legal aid to applicants in view of the small amounts of claims involved and Members are disappointed about that
政府當局回應時表示，進行案情審查時，有關申請涉及的申索金額多寡，只是其中一項考慮因素，倘若涉及重大公眾利益，則不論申索金額多寡，也會批出法律援助。
In response the Administration states that the amount of claims from the legal proceedings is only one of the many factors to be considered in conducting the merits test . If significant public interests are involved legal aid will be granted regardless of the amount of claim
另一方面，有委員建議政府當局應制訂措施，保障法律援助制度免遭濫用，否則可能會對社會造成不良影響，以及浪費公共資源。
On the other hand some Members suggest that the Administration should put in place measures to safeguard against abuse of the legal aid system which may adversely affect society and waste public resources
政府當局表示，法律援助署已設有監察機制，以確保處理法律援助申請的程序合情合理，以及保障法律援助制度免遭濫用。
The Administration states that LAD has put in place a monitoring mechanism to ensure that the processing of legal aid applications is reasonable and safeguards against abuse of legal aid
主席，小組委員會支持前述的擬議決議案，亦不會提出任何修訂。
President the Subcommittee supports the aforesaid proposed resolution and will not propose any amendment to it
以下是我的個人意見。
Next I will express my personal views
主席，正如我剛才以小組委員會主席身份作出報告時提到，在小組委員會內，大家均贊成是次按機制調整法律援助的財務資格限額的安排，並無任何異議。
President as I mentioned in the report in my capacity as Chairman of the Subcommittee at the Subcommittee Members agree with the present arrangement of adjusting the financial eligibility limit of legal aid according to the mechanism and have raised no objection
然而，在小組委員會中，確實有委員提出了不同的重點意見。
Yet it is true that some Members have raised different and major views in the Subcommittee
政府在回應中指出，對於審視現時社會上各項訟費的變動，他們認為有相當難度，當中原因包括訟費在不同案件中牽涉的程度和水平也有不同。
The Government points out in its reply that it is quite difficult to examine the changes of various litigation costs in society and one of the reasons is that the degree and level of litigation costs incurred vary from case to case
主席，對於當局提到不同案件的訟費水平有所不同這一點，我們當然明白，我們作為律師的便更清楚。
President regarding the point raised by the authorities that the level of litigation costs varies from case to case we of course understand and we as lawyers know it full well
處理刑事案件和民事案件的訟費水平當然會有不同，而法律援助就這些訟費提供的支援亦有所不同，這點在過去的立法會會議亦曾討論。
The litigation costs incurred in handling criminal cases and civil cases are definitely different and the legal aid provided for respective litigation costs are also different . This point was discussed at meetings of the Legislative Council in the past
在民事案件方面也有很多種類，包括意外工傷索償的訴訟、家事法庭的婚姻訴訟及遺產處理訴訟等。
There are different categories of civil proceedings including compensation claims for injuries sustained from accidents at work matrimonial causes at the Family Court and litigation on estate administration and so on
這些訴訟牽涉的訟費的整體水平有所不同，這點我們當然明白。
The overall level of litigation costs incurred in these proceedings may vary and we do understand this
不過，主席，我希望政府聆聽法律界的聲音，對於就訟費的水平進行徹底的檢視和觀察，我認為可聘請顧問專職研究整個行業的收費，包括按照各類案件的性質來評估訟費的水平。
Yet President I hope the Government will heed the views of the legal sector to conduct a comprehensive review and observation on the level of litigation costs . I think the authorities may commission consultants to conduct a specified study on the fees charged by the sector as a whole including an assessment of the level of litigation costs incurred in cases by categories
如果當局願意聘請顧問進行研究，我相信不會很困難。
If the Administration is willing to commission consultants to examine the issue I believe it is not that difficult
主席，在小組委員會上，有委員指出，法援制度是社會上一個非常重要的機制，旨在確保市民的合法權益得到保障，在申索權益時得到必要的支援。
President in the Subcommittee some Members point out that the legal aid system is an extremely important mechanism in society which seeks to ensure the legitimate rights of the public are safeguarded and the public are provided with necessary support in claiming their rights
當然，司法覆核是我們透過司法渠道監督政府行為的其中一個途徑，作為一名法律界人士，一名執業律師，我當然認為這是一個良好制度。
Certainly judicial review is one of the channels for monitoring the acts of the Government and as a member of the legal sector and a practicing lawyer I definitely agree that it is a good system
不過，我再三重申，我們的法援制度或支援，如果出現一些被濫用的情況，可能會對社會、對公帑運用造成不良後果。
However I have to reiterate that if there are cases of abuse of the legal aid system or support it may have adverse impact on society and the use of public money
我們翻看郭卓堅的紀錄，單在2014年7月至2017年4月期間，他先後提出共21次法援申請，當中全部失敗。
If we look up the records of KWOK Cheuk - kin we will note that during the period between July 2014 and April 2017 he had submitted 21 legal aid applications and all were unsuccessful
其中11宗被拒絕，而其他的被拒申請則在他上訴後遭駁回，他最終自行撤銷申請。
Among them 11 applications were rejected whereas other rejected applications were withdrawn on his own accord after his appeals were rejected
在這裏值得一提的是，如果我們對這種濫用法援的情況視而不見，不作跟進和處理，很多時便會有人仿效，而這不是社會希望看到的。
It is worth mentioning here that if we turn a blind eye to such abuse of legal aid and take no follow - up actions to address the issue more often than not people will follow suit . Society does not wish to see this
我們得再三重申，我們應好好運用這個制度，因為司法覆核可有效監督政府的行為，確保政府不會出錯。
We have to reiterate that we should make good use of the system for it is by means of judicial review that we can monitor the acts of the Government effectively and ensure that the Government will not make mistakes
不過，這機制絕對不應被濫用，也不應附帶其他政治目的，試圖對政府的行事造成某種程度的拖延或癱瘓，我認為這是社會需要注意的。
However this system should not be abused in all circumstance nor should it be used for other political purposes in an attempt to delay or paralyse the operation of the Government in various degrees . I think society have to be conscious of this point
最後，法庭發覺入稟狀內容不真確，包括將一些關鍵資料寫成虛假陳述，判決當事人誤導法庭，並裁定有關司法覆核的提請人須全數繳付超過100多萬元的訟費。
Eventually the Court found the content of the statements untrue which included false representation of certain material information and ruled that the student had misled the Court and the applicant for judicial review should bear the litigation costs of over 1 million in full
我剛才也聽到張國鈞議員的發言，我們兩人均是執業律師，他有一個法律觀點，我也十分認同，亦希望在這裏重申。
I just listened to Mr CHEUNG Kwok - kwans speech . Both of us are a practicing solicitor . He has a legal point of view with which I totally agree and on which I wish to re - emphasize
我認為法庭是十分公道的，法庭不想看見你利用制度，即要求對方提供資料的機制以達到某些其他目的，包括你 其實只是要求別人提供很多、很多的資料，而基本上你知道未必可以取得你想得到的資料，但你仍要別人提供，這樣其實是在濫用機制，浪費時間。
For example you make use of the mechanism to request the other party to provide information in order to achieve certain other goals . These include a situation that you just request the other party to provide lots and lots of information but basically you know that you may not get the information you want yet you still request the other party to provide the information . In fact this practice is an abuse of the mechanism and a waste of time
以法庭來說，於訴訟的過程中，任何一方要求對方提供某些資料時，如果真的是胡亂提出，法庭是不容許的。
As far as the law court is concerned when one party requests the other side to provide certain information during the process of litigation if the request is made randomly the court will not permit it
當然，我不會猜測議員的動機，不過客觀的效果是，當議員這樣做時，無可否認市民公眾聽到後，真的可能會認為，這做法是類似法庭所指的"fishing"行為。
Of course I will not speculate on the motives of Members but the objective effect is that when Members are doing this members of the public will undeniably think that this practice resembles what the court refers to as fishing behaviour
所以，主席，由於上述種種理由，我反對朱凱廸議員今天的傳召議案。
Therefore President due to the reasons mentioned above I oppose the motion to summon that is proposed by Mr CHU Hoi - dick today
最後我在這裏重申，立法會議程上已經有很多重要的工作尚待我們處理，大家希望可以恰當處理有關工作。
Finally I wish to reiterate that the Legislative Councils agenda has already been stuffed with many important tasks awaiting us to handle and everyone wants to handle these tasks properly
但如果議會的機制被濫用，甚或出現類似"fishing"的濫用情況，即類似胡亂要求提供資料的情況下，我相信這樣會浪費立法會的資源和時間。
If the mechanism of the Council is abused or if there is an abuse resembling fishing that is a random request for provision of information I believe it will waste the time and resources of the Council
最後對公眾來說也並非好事。
Eventually this will do no good to the public
我希望大家可以真正做到令議會回復正常的運作，讓議會、社會可以重回正軌，我謹此陳辭。
I hope everyone can really help the Council resume its normal operation and allow it and the society return to the normal track . I so submit
主席，我認同法援的目的，是確保具合理理據，在香港法院提出訴訟或抗命的人，不會因為欠缺經濟能力而無法尋求公義，所以根據《法律援助條例》的規定，無論是否香港居民，只要申請人通過經濟審查和案情審查，便合資格獲得法援。
President I agree that the purpose of providing legal aid is to ensure that no one with reasonable grounds for taking or defending proceedings is prevented from doing so and be denied access to justice because of lack of means . Hence according to the requirements of the Legal Aid Ordinance LAO all applicants who have passed the means test and merit test are qualified for legal aid whether or not they are residents of Hong Kong
我也認同小組委員會在討論過程中曾提及，財務資格限額的上調幅度是否足夠、法律援助輔助計劃的涵蓋範圍可否進一步擴大、法援申請的審批準則和濫用法援制度的情況等。
I agree that during the discussion of the Subcommittee Members have raised concerns about the adequacy of the upward adjustment of the financial eligibility limit the possibility of further expansion of the scope of the Supplementary Legal Aid Scheme SLAS the vetting and approval criteria for legal aid applications and the abuse of the legal aid system and so on
政府當局指出，自2000年提出每兩年進行一次檢討的機制，當局再沒有在檢討中以訟費變動作為基礎來調整財務資格限額，原因是香港大律師公會和香港律師會未有提供有關訟費的資料，以便進行每兩年一次的檢討。
The Administration points out that no adjustment has been made on financial eligibility limits on the basis of changes in litigation costs since the biennial review mechanism was introduced in 2000 for the Hong Kong Bar Association and The Law Society of Hong Kong have not provided the relevant information on litigation costs to facilitate the biennial reviews
我認為這不能作為一個藉口，因為已經事過18年，當局沒理由不進行一些研究，從而得知香港現時一般訟費的資料，包括刑事和民事訴訟。
I think this cannot be used as an excuse . It has been 18 years since then so the authorities have no reason not to conduct some studies to find out information on the general litigation costs in Hong Kong including the litigation costs for criminal and civil proceedings
我認為政府可以採納委員的提議，正如周浩鼎議員剛才所說，包括進行顧問研究，以確定私人訟費金額，或向司法機構索取經由法院評定的訟費，以及向法援署索取獲批法援的個案所招致的法律費用。
I think the Government may take on board the proposals put forth by Members as Mr Holden CHOW mentioned earlier of commissioning a consultancy study to ascertain the private litigation costs or seeking information about the costs assessed by the Court from the Judiciary and requesting that of legal costs incurred in the approved legal aid cases from LAD
此外，政府當局也可考慮向法援署收集過往曾經獲批法援申請的人士的入息中位數資料，以衡量財務資格限額和有需要人士的入息水平是否相稱。
Moreover the Administration may also consider gathering information from LAD regarding the median incomes of those applicants who have been granted legal aid in the past to gauge whether the financial eligibility limits are commensurate with the incomes of those in need
我認為政府當局應該考慮全面檢討財務資格限額的制度，並擴大法律援助輔助計劃的涵蓋範圍，尤其是對中產人士的支援，以確保他們不會因為財務資源的問題而未能尋求公義。
In my view the Administration should consider conducting a comprehensive review of the financial eligibility limit system and expanding the scope of SLAS particularly the support for the middle class so as to ensure that they will not be denied access to justice due to the lack of financial resources
主席，我認同法援的政策目標，是確保任何符合有關條例所訂準則的人，只要有合理理據，便不會無法尋求公義，所以我希望政府落實研究進一步改善調整財務資格限額的機制。
President I agree that the policy objective of the provision of legal aid is to ensure no one with reasonable grounds and satisfying the criteria laid down in the relevant laws will be denied access to justice . Hence I hope the Government will take forward the study to further enhance the financial eligibility limit adjustment mechanism
主席，我支持有關擬議決議案，將法援申請人的財務資格限額調高4%，令更多香港人和市民能夠受惠。
President I support the proposed resolution to increase the financial eligibility limit of legal aid applicants by 4 % to enable more people of Hong Kong and members of the public to benefit
不同條例有不同檢控期限，基本上分為兩類：第一類是事件發生後的一段期間，而另一類是當事人發現事件後的一段期間。
There are basically two types of time limit for prosecution under various laws within a certain period of time after the date of the commission of the offence or within a certain period of time after the date of the discovery of the offence
第7條便採用了"罪行發生的日期後12個月"，為何要這樣寫呢？
Clause 7 prescribes a time limit of within 12 months after the date of the commission of the offence . But why is it written in this manner?
雖然政府已接受了議員的提議，把檢控期限由6個月延長至12個月，對此我表示贊成，但我亦相當贊成張超雄議員的修正案，再把期限延長至24個月，可是，我仍然有一個相當大的疑問。
Although the Government has accepted Members proposal to extend the time limit for prosecution from 6 months to 12 months which I approve I also very much agree with the amendment proposed by Dr Fernando CHEUNG to further extend the time limit to 24 months . However I still have a great doubt
有關罪行其實包含兩個元素：第一項是無牌經營職業介紹所；第二項是職業介紹所濫收求職者佣金。
There are actually two offences in question unlicensed operation of employment agencies and overcharging jobseekers by employment agencies both being infringement upon the rights of foreign domestic helpers
我很高興郭榮鏗議員近日提出了一項私人條例草案，訂立整全法例打擊販賣人口罪行。
I am glad that Mr Dennis KWOK has recently introduced a private Members Bill which seeks to make a comprehensive law against human trafficking
主席，在2018年1月26日的內務委員會會議上，委員決定成立小組委員會，研究《2018年能源效益條例令》。
President at the House Committee meeting on 26 January 2018 members decided to form a Subcommittee to study the Energy Efficiency Ordinance Order 2018
委員亦同意本人以內務委員會主席的身份，動議議案將該命令的審議期限，延展至2018年3月21日，以便小組委員會有足夠的時間進行審議工作及向內務委員會提交報告。
To allow the Subcommittee ample time for scrutiny and submitting a report to the House Committee members also agreed that I move a motion in my capacity as Chairman of the House Committee to extend the scrutiny period of the Order to 21 March 2018
主席，議案內容已載列於議程內。
President details of the motion are set out on the Agenda
謹請議員支持議案。
I implore Members to support the motion
主席，我發言支持朱凱廸議員根據《中華人民共和國香港特別行政區基本法》第七十三條第五項及第七十三條第十項動議的議案，傳召律政司司長到立法會席前作證，以及出示文件。
President I rise to speak in support of the motion moved by Mr CHU Hoi - dick pursuant to Article 735 and Article 7310 of the Basic Law of the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region of the Peoples Republic of China to summon the Secretary for Justice to testify before the Legislative Council and to produce the documents
這項議案是關於資訊自由法。
The motion is related to the legislation on freedom of information
主席，容許我從一個較宏觀的層面來看公開資料或公開政府資訊究竟是怎樣的一回事。
President please allow me to look at what access to information or access to government information is about from a broader perspective
莫乃光議員剛才已說出很多背景資料，關於檔案法和資訊自由法的關係，以及資訊自由法和公開數據的種種關係。
Mr Charles Peter MOK mentioned just now a lot of background information concerning the relationship between the archives law and the legislation on freedom of information as well as various relationships between freedom of information and disclosure of data
不同類別包括：第一，選舉的過程和包容性；第二是政府的運作；第三是政治參與；第四是政治文化；第五是公民自由和權利等。
The different categories include firstly electoral process and pluralism secondly functioning of government thirdly political participation fourthly political culture and fifthly civil liberties and rights
如果我們有檔案法和資訊自由法，其實對香港這個國際城市、這個特別行政區，在國際社會之中是百利而無一害的。
If we have archives law and legislation on freedom of information it will do all good but no harm to the international city and Special Administrative Region of Hong Kong in the international community
起碼我們會在政府運作，甚至政治參與方面都會取得較高分數。
At least we can get higher scores in how the government functions and political participation
因為一個最重要的原則是，政府公開資料能讓市民知道政府究竟在做甚麼，同時政府亦要向市民問 責。
This is because one of the most important principles is that the disclosure of information by the Government will enable the public to know what the Government is actually doing . At the same time the Government has to be accountable to the public
當然，政府對於檔案法和資訊自由法會有很多考慮，其實這些考慮我也考慮過，我相信莫乃光議員和其他對於資訊自由法很有興趣的同事也考慮過。
Certainly the Government will have a lot of considerations for the archives law and the legislation on freedom of information . These considerations have actually been considered by me too . I believe Mr Charles Peter MOK and other colleagues who are interested in the legislation on freedom of information will have considered them as well
我不妨說說究竟這些考慮包含甚麼因素，同時我也可以和大家分享一下，這些顧慮究竟是不是真正的顧慮，以及有甚麼方法可以消除政府的顧慮。
I may as well talk about what these considerations include . At the same time I can also share with you whether these concerns are real concerns and in what way the Governments concerns can be removed
他們在其資訊自由法裏有九大類別資料不能夠公開，如果你們現正盤算如何籌劃特區版的資訊自由法時，也可以想想我們有哪幾類資料不能夠公開，有些可能延遲至該事情發生後的10年、20年或30年才公開，這是可行的。
They have nine main groups of information which are not allowed to be disclosed under their Freedom of Information Act . If you are just pondering how to plan the Hong Kong version for the legislation on freedom of information you can also think about which categories of information are barred from disclosure . The disclosure of some information may be delayed until 10 years 20 years or 30 years after the incidents occurred
當然，現時已有一套《公開資料守則》，但守則歸守則，在訂立法例後，便能清清楚楚說明政府部門通常要在甚麼情況之下才可公開甚麼資料，這才是最清楚的。
Certainly we already have a set of Code on Access to Information at present but after all a code is still a code . If the legislation is enacted it can then clearly set out what information can government departments normally disclose under what circumstances . This will be crystal clear
當然，如果政府部門有一些資料註明是豁免的資料，那便不用公開，但市民對這些所謂的豁免資料亦有權上訴，因此可能會交由審裁處來處理個案，究竟政府部門現時所說的豁免資料是否真的豁免資料？
Certainly if government departments have some information which is specified as exempted its disclosure will not be necessary . However the public are also entitled to appeal against those so called exempted information . The case will then be left to hands of tribunals to determine whether the information which the Government claimed to be exempted is really exempted
如果一套完備的檔案法和一套完備的資訊自由法，政府的文件和紀錄便不會亂七八糟。
If there is a complete set of archives law and a complete set of legislation on freedom of information the government documents and records will not be so messy
主席，我曾經在政府帳目委員會無數次詢問政府，就一些跨部門會議有沒有擬備會議紀錄，但那些公務員同事，甚至可能是常任秘書長，表示有作出討論但卻沒有會議紀錄。
President I have made countless enquiries to the Public Accounts Committee about whether records of meetings have been prepared for some interdepartmental meetings but the civil servant colleagues or even the Permanent Secretary indicates that discussions have been held but no records of meetings are available
這的確是匪夷所思，政府舉行跨部門會議但竟然沒有會議紀錄。
This is really unbelievable for the Government to have held interdepartmental meetings without any records of meetings
當然，政府可以將這些資料分門別類，究竟哪些是10年後才可公開，哪些是30年後才可公開，這都是他們可以處理的。
Of course the Government can classify these information . Which of them can be disclosed after 10 years and which of them can be disclosed after 30 years are matters for them to decide
如果有檔案法和資訊自由法，其實政府的檔案便會比較齊整和齊備，而且分門別類、有系統，即使政府內部的公務員同事或問責官員要找尋資料，也可以快捷得多。
If the archives law and legislation on freedom of information are in place the public records can be more organized and comprehensive . Moreover with classifications and system the civil servant colleagues or accountable officials within the Government can be more efficient when searching for information