Borrison/hk-legicost huggingface dataset:
例如郭家麒議員的修正案，旨在加強對在內地口岸工作的香港人的保護，究竟政府有沒有聽到這點。
For example Dr KWOK Ka - kis amendment seeks to enhance the protection to people working in the Mainland Port Area but I wonder if the Government has taken heed to his opinion
為何這些旨在釐清條文意思，保障港人權益的修正案也全部要反對？
Why should they oppose all these amendments which seek to clarify the meaning of the relevant provisions and protect the rights of Hong Kong people?
別說我仇視內地執法人員那些修正案，即使這些修正案被否決後，放在我們眼前、即將三讀的《條例草案》，仍不能保障在內地口岸區工作的港方人員、仍然存在很多不清晰之處、甚至是前後矛盾。
Needless to mention my amendments which are considered hostile to Mainland law enforcement agents even these amendments are negatived later on the Bill placed in front of us which will be read the Third time cannot protect Hong Kong people who will be working in the Mainland Port Area . There are still unclear parts or even contradictions
因此，我們絕不能夠支持。
For that reason we cannot support its passage
這項《條例草案》甚至不能清楚說明內地口岸人員是否有權進入非內地口岸，內地人員妨礙港方人員執行職務是無須負上刑責的。
The Government has not even stated clearly in the Bill if Mainland Port officials shall have the rights to enter non - Mainland Port Area and that Mainland Port officials shall assume no criminal liability if they obstruct Hong Kong Port officials from discharging their official duties
內地口岸人員因為《條例草案》的漏洞，可以進入非內地口岸區，更可以任意妨礙港方人員執法。
Due to the loopholes in the Bill Mainland Port officials may enter non - Mainland Port Area and arbitrarily obstruct Hong Kong Port officials from discharging their official duties
因此，放在我們面前的是對港人極度不利的《條例草案》。
For that reason the Bill in front of us is extremely unfavourable to Hong Kong people
這也是導致我不能在三讀時支持《條例草案》的原因。
This is also the reason why I do not support the Bill in the Third Reading
除了修正案不獲通過，以致《條例草案》仍然千瘡百孔，令我們不能支持三讀外，《條例草案》仍然有很多缺陷，而這些缺陷其實是 否不能夠彌補呢？
Besides the fact that amendments will be negatived it is still a problem - fraught Bill and that is why we cannot support the Third Reading . In addition as to the defects of the Bill can they not be rectified at all?
其實政府是可以做些工夫去彌補的，但政府在法案委員會審議之後，沒有在二讀及全體委員會階段提交任何修正案，以解決我們所指出的問題。
Actually the Government can do something to rectify them . But after the Bills Committee has scrutinized the Bill the Government has not proposed any amendment during the Second Reading and Committee stage of the whole Council to address the problems pointed out by us
這亦是我不能在三讀支持《條例草案》的原因。
This is also the reason why I cannot support the Third Reading of the Bill
這些缺陷包括：《合作安排》內多個詞語含意不清晰，包括附表2多幅圖則內沒有就多個重要位置標示出坐標。
The defects include The ambiguity of various wordings in the Co - operation Arrangement and that the Government fails to mark the coordinates of various important areas in various drawings in Annex 2
政府本來是可以做工夫去補救的。
The Government should have done some remedial work to rectify the issues
我們在二讀及全體委員會階段提出這些問題，政府不願意從善如流，不提出修正案。
We put forward these issues during the Second Reading and Committee stage of the whole Council but the Government is reluctant to accept the good proposals and propose amendments
例如《合作安排》下維修保養、環境管理的定義，在《條例草案》主體列明列車供應商及信號系統供應商與港鐵公司簽訂的合約，屬於《合作安排》第七5條所述的合約，為香港法律管轄。
Such as clarifying the definitions of repair and maintenance and environmental regulation and control under the Co - operation Arrangement as well as stating in the main body of the Bill that the contracts signed between the train and signal system suppliers and MTRCL shall belong to contracts under Article 75 of the Co - operation Arrangement that is to say they are under Hong Kongs jurisdiction
政府只要提出修正案，為圖則裏不清晰的地方加上坐標即可。
Only if the Government proposes the amendments and marks the coordinates in the unclear parts of the drawings things will be fine
我提出了爭議、提出的憂慮、提出擔心內地執法人員越界，沒有法例規管的問題。
I put forward my arguments and concerns . I worried Mainland law enforcement agents would cross the boundary but no laws could regulate such acts
然而，局長只是放下8個大字如果真的出現，會跟"中央跟進，嚴肅處理"。
Nevertheless the Secretary only said those few words―if it really happens he will―follow up with the Central Government and deal with the matter seriously
這個就是這個政府要通過《條例草案》的態度。
This is the attitude of the Government to get the Bill passed
另一個不能夠在全體委員會審議階段釋疑的疑問，就是內地法律的定義。
Another doubt that cannot be dispelled during the Committee stage of the whole Council is the definition of Mainland laws
現時政府不能夠解釋，亦不肯明確承諾，內地法律是否只包括明文法規。
At present the Government is unable to explain and reluctant to make an unambiguous undertaking that if Mainland laws only mean laws and regulations in writing
政府官員只不斷強調，市民進入內地口岸便要遵守內地法律。
Government officials keep on emphasizing that the public should observe Mainland laws when they enter the Mainland Port Area
但是，從來沒有回答我們，對於內地執法人員凌駕明文法規的行為，是否屬於內地法律？
However they have never told us if any act above written laws performed by a Mainland law enforcement agent is under the jurisdiction of Mainland laws
如果內地執法人員作出凌駕明文法規的指令，香港市民是否應該遵從呢？
If a Mainland law enforcement agent performs any act above written laws by ordering a Hong Kong resident to do something should the Hong Kong resident follow the order?
政府逃避回答我們這些問題。
The Government simply avoids our question in this regards
因此，內地執法人員無論如何都是對的。
Therefore Mainland law enforcement agents are always rights under all circumstances
內地執法人員要市民執行的指令是否一定不會錯？
Are the orders given by Mainland law enforcement agents to Hong Kong residents always correct?
事實上，今天政府的回覆亦顯示了政府日後，在真的發生我們所說的問題時會如何處理。
In fact todays Government reply also shows how the Government will deal with future incidents that we have mentioned before
大家不妨進行一項民調，看看市民是否相信這8個字：中央跟進，嚴肅 處理？
Members may as well conduct an opinion poll to see if the public believe those few words They will follow up with the Central Government and deal with the matter seriously
《條例草案》的整個審議過程都是不公義的，是草草通過的。
The entire scrutiny process of the Bill involves injustice . It is passed hastily
在早前的法案委員會，我當然責怪葉劉淑儀議員限制議員的提問時間，但原來"一山還有一山高"。
Earlier in the meetings of the Bills Committee I condemned Mrs Regina IP for restricting the time for Members to raise questions . However it turns out that however strong she is there is always someone stronger
由於所有階段都要限時完成，結果政府在過程中毫無誠意去清楚解答議員的問題，也無意釋除我們的疑慮。
Since each stage has to be concluded within a time limit as a result the Government has no intention to give a clear answer to each question asked by Members during the process . It has no intention to address our concerns at all
立法會的功能本應是制定法例，議員應該要就政策辯論，而訂定法例的過程亦應該包括議員檢視法案的問題，議員和官員共同改良法案，是使之更為完善。
The prime function of the Legislative Council is to enact laws . Members should debate on policies . While the enactment of laws should include a process for Members to examine the issues of a Bill so Members and officials may jointly improve a Bill and make it a more comprehensive one
這是我們過去的立法會二讀、全體委員會的目的，但今次審議《條例草案》時，大家發覺完全不是這回事。
This has been the objective of the Legislative Councils Second Reading and Committee stage of the whole Council all along . But this time around we find that it is another story when we scrutinize the Bill
因為我們沒有辯論的機會，我和建制派的辯論機會都沒有。
It is because we do not have the opportunity to debate . I do not have any chance to debate the Bill with pro - establishment Members
我要送6個字給特區政府和建制派：我真係恭喜你。
I have to give a few words to the SAR Government and the pro - establishment camp I extend my congratulations to you
今天他們煉成了兩把絕世殺人武器，一把刀和一把劍。
Today they have forged two unique lethal weapons a sabre and a sword
這把劍叫作"三步走"：《合作安排》、人大決定、本地立法，以後做任何事都可以用這把劍。
The sword is called the Three - step Process namely Co - operation Arrangement NPC decision local legislation the Government may make use of this sword in future on any issue
另一把就是刀，這把刀是主席用的，就是審議法案期間限時辯論，甚至在二讀也限時，以後你們"贏晒"，天下無敵。
The other one is the sabre for the President He can limit the debating time during the scrutiny of any Bill; he may also limit the time for the Second Reading . From now on you people will be the ultimate winner . You are invincible in this world
當天陳淑莊議員說"一地兩檢"較《基本法》第二十三條立法更兇惡、更兇險。
On the other day when Ms Tanya CHAN said co - location was even more fearsome and dangerous than Article 23 of the Basic Law I somewhat disagreed with her
我當時也不太同意，但到了今時今日，我非常同意。
But today I fully agree with her
因為第二十三條只是一條"惡法"，但今次"一地兩檢"煉成這兩把殺人不見血的兇器。
It is because Article 23 is only a draconian law . But this time around the co - location has forged two lethal weapon which could kill without leaving a trace of blood
這個"三步走"及主席任意限時表決，是可以無往而不利，殺了所有香港人也可以。
This Three - step Process and the Presidents power to imposing time limit for voting will always prevail . That can even kill all Hong Kong people
根據《基本法》第七十二條，香港特別行政區立法會主席可行使各項職權，第一款是主持會議。
According to Article 72 of the Basic Law the President of the Legislative Council of the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region SAR shall exercise various powers and functions and the first item is to preside over meetings
所以，主席運用這項條款，把權力放到最大，在全體委員會審議階段本來是可以無限次發言的，但主席作出裁決說只能發言22小時。
Hence the President invokes this provision to expand his power to the maximum extent . During the examination by the committee of the whole Council Members can speak for an unlimited number of times yet the President rules that Members can only speak for 22 hours
我現在不會與你辯論，但事後你應該用文件清楚交代。
I will not debate with you now . Yet you should explain this clearly in writing afterwards
除了《基本法》第七十二條，還有第七十三條賦予立法會行使下列職權，我覺得其中最重要的一項是第一款："根據本法規定並依照法定程序制定......
Apart from Article 72 of the Basic Law Article 73 also empowers the Legislative Council to exercise the following powers and functions
今天，我們要辯論《條例草案》，全委會要辯論各條文的修正案，這一定是重要的，一定是關乎公眾利益的。
Today we have to debate the Bill the committee of the whole Council has to debate the amendments to various clauses which is definitely important and certainly involves public interests
議員進行辯論便要發言，發言這種由《基本法》賦予的最基本權利、職權是不能被剝奪或退後一步，是不能被無理限制的。
Members need to speak to debate the question . This is the fundamental right power and function of Members conferred by the Basic Law which should not be deprived or reduced and it should not be subject to unreasonable restriction
這是第一：究竟你會施捨多一點還是少一點？
The first point is that it is at your mercy to grant us more time or less time
原來除施捨之外還要爭奪，因為在他施捨的框架之下，還須搶先按下按鈕，按得慢的便沒有機會發言了。
For within his framework of mercy Members have to compete for priority in pressing the Request to speak button and the slower ones will not have the chance to speak
第三，是要求議員善用辯論時間，這是有條件的，否則這段時間便會收回、收緊。
Third Members are requested to make good use of the time for debate . It means a condition is imposed and if this condition is not met this time slot will be cancelled or shortened
主席說的彈性不是放鬆。
The flexibility mentioned by the President is not about relaxing the limit
本來酌情處理的意思是寬鬆處理，但現時卻反過來收緊了。
Initially the provision of discretion is to give room for leniency but now it is being used reversely to tighten the restriction
我剛才問的是，我在全委會審議階段只曾針對我提出的修正案發言2次，即雜項下的新增第9條和第10條，我在那2次發言只是討論過第9條和第10條，而我也沒有被全委會主席質疑離題或重複。
My earlier question is about my speaking time during the committee of the whole Council . Just now I have spoken two times focused on my amendments to make new clauses 9 and 10 under the part Miscellaneous . On these two occasions I only discussed clauses 9 and 10 and was not challenged by the Chairman for digression or repetition
所以，我可以假定我不是他所說的沒有善用發言時間的議員。
Hence I suppose I am not those Members who failed to make good use of our speaking time as he referred
我想你裁決我有否談及我的修正案。
I ask you to rule whether or not I have talked about my amendments
我現在是說我只能解釋第9條和第10條，現在我便要進入第11條。
I am saying that I merely had the time to explain clauses 9 and 10 earlier and I will talk about clause 11 now
這項修正案的條文，簡單來說是任何抗拒、阻礙、恐嚇、襲擊在內地口岸區履行職務的港方人士的內地派駐機構人員，均須受到懲罰。
In gist the amendment stipulates that any personnel of the Mainland Authorities Stationed at the Mainland Port Area resists obstructs intimidates and assaults any personnel of the Hong Kong authorities in performing their duties will be liable to punishment
由於這項修正案涉及《合作安排》第七1條的不清晰之處，我會一併談論第七1條保留事項的不清晰之處，從而協助大家了解我提出這項修正案背後的理據。
Since the amendment involves the ambiguity in Article 71 of the Co - operation Arrangement I will also discuss the ambiguity concerning the reserved matter under Article 71 so as to facilitate Members in understanding my justification for proposing this amendment
其中一個原因就是早前在5月發生一連串不幸事件，有很多內地執法人員襲擊香港的記者，而最令人咋舌的是，那些內地執法人員會取走香港記者的駐京證而不予歸還，繼而進行進一步的襲擊。
One of the reasons is the series of unfortunate events that occurred in May where many Mainland law enforcement officers assaulted journalists from Hong Kong . The most horrifying part is that those Mainland law enforcement officers had taken away the press permits of Hong Kong journalists and did not return them to them and they went further to assault the journalists
這事件令我想到這些證件真的很重要，如果沒有證件或被沒收證件，等於被解除職務，屆時港方人員便不能執行職務，任由擺布了。
The incident reminds me that these documents are very important . If a person does not have the document or if a persons document is confiscated it means that the person is relieved of his duties . In that event personnel of the Hong Kong authorities will not be able to perform their duties and will be treated arbitrarily
沒有證件，便沒有相應的權力在內地執行相關職務，內地公安要港方人員不能執行職務，很簡單，就是取去他們的證件，是第一時間取走他們的證件，大家有否從過去的例子發覺這種情況？
If a person does not have the document he will not have the power to perform the relevant duties in the Mainland . If Mainland public security officers do not want personnel of the Hong Kong authorities to perform their duties a simple way is to confiscate their documents so these officers will take away their documents in the first instance . Have Members noticed this situation from the examples in the past?
因此，《合作安排》第七1條訂明，港方人員須取得香港政府或香港鐵路有限公司的有效證件，才能進入內地口岸區履行職務，這代表如果內地執法人員真的搶去港方人員的證件，那麼他們便可能無法履行職務，甚至不受《條例草案》中的保留事項的保護，換言之，是不受香港法例保護。
Under Article 71 of the Co - operation Arrangement it is stipulated that personnel of the Hong Kong authorities must possess valid permits issued by the Hong Kong Government or the MTR Corporation Limited MTRCL to enter MPA to perform duties . This means that if Mainland law enforcement officers confiscate the documents of personnel of the Hong Kong authorities the personnel affected cannot perform their duties and they may be excluded from the protection of the reserved matter under the Bill . In other words the personnel affected will not be protected by the laws of Hong Kong
我原先只想就取走證件作出規範，令內地執法人員 不能無理地取走或保留港方人員進入內地口岸區執行職務時使用的證件，但我發覺這只能針對單一情況，對港方人員的保障仍然不充分。
Initially I wanted to lay down only the regulation on confiscation of documents so that Mainland law enforcement officers cannot confiscate or keep the documents used by personnel of the Hong Kong authorities to enter MPA to carry out their duties . Yet I then realized that this approach could merely deal with a single situation and the protection provided for personnel of the Hong Kong authorities would be inadequate
另一個刺激我提出這項修正案的原因，是之前政府用以控告許智峯議員的其中一個罪狀，就是妨礙公職人員罪。
Another reason that prompted me to propose this amendment is one of the charges the Government initiated against Mr HUI Chi - fung some time ago and that is obstructing public officers in the execution of duties
因此，有時候政府做壞事也會刺激我做一些好事。
Sometimes when the Government do bad things it may provoke me to do some good things
有些人問為何只是針對內地執法人員，而不是針對所有內地口岸區的人而訂定相關罰則？
Some people ask why the relevant penalty is targeted at Mainland law enforcement officers but not all the people in MPA
這牽涉一項更嚴重的問題，就是"一地兩檢"《合作安排》第七1條的不清晰之處。
This involves another serious concern and that is the ambiguity in Article 71 of the Co - operation Arrangement for the co - location arrangement
驟眼看來，這好像很清晰，只要不是執行職務，這些在內地口岸區或經過內地口岸區的港方職員就要遵守內地法律，並接受內地派駐機構的監管。
At first glance the provision seems to be clear that is when personnel of the Hong Kong authorities are in or passing by MPA and if they are not performing duties they have to comply with the laws of the Mainland and are subject to the surveillance of the Mainland Authorities Stationed at the Mainland Port Area
但是，大家如果再看清楚，就會發現一個問題，就是由誰界定這些職員是否在履行職務？
Yet if Members read it carefully again they may notice one question Who can decide whether or not the personnel are performing their duties?
如果港方職員認為自己正在履行職務，而內地人員覺得他們並非在履行職務，甚至是透過檢查、沒收或扣留其證件，阻止他們履行職務，那又如何處理？
If the personnel of the Hong Kong authorities consider that they are performing their duties but Mainland personnel think otherwise and even prevent them from performing their duties by checking confiscating or detaining their documents how should the situation be tackled?
我舉一個很簡單的例子：假設有一名內地執法人員遇到一個正在前往內地口岸區某個位置執行職務的港方職員，該內地執法人員認為該港方職員仍未開始履行職務，認為他仍然受內地執法部門監管，所以要求他交出工作證以核實身份，以核實工作證是否屬於香港政府或港鐵公司發出的工作證。
Let me cite a simple example to illustrate my point . Assume a Mainland law enforcement officer bumps into an officer of the Hong Kong authorities who is going to a certain location in MPA to carry out his duties the Mainland law enforcement officer considers that the officer of the Hong Kong authorities has not yet started to perform his duties and is thus subject to the regulation of Mainland law enforcement agencies . The Mainland law enforcement officer then requires him to submit his work permit to verify his identity and whether his work permit is issued by SAR Government or MTRCL
在港方職員把工作證交給了內地執法人員期間，自然便不能前往要執行職務的地方履行職務。
After the officer of the Hong Kong authorities submits his work permit to the Mainland law enforcement officer he naturally cannot go to the location where he has to perform his duties
大家想一想：之前我們看到的打記者和沒收證件的那些情況如果在內地口岸區發生，那又會如何？
Come to think about it . What if incidents in which journalists are beaten and their documents confiscated as we have seen previously happen in MPA?
港方工作人員會受甚麼保障？
What protection do personnel of the Hong Kong authorities enjoy?
因為就內地法律而言，內地執法人員的確可以在不提供任何理由的情況下，索取和檢查港方人員的工作證，亦沒有法律規定他們必須歸還證件。
According to the laws of the Mainland Mainland law enforcement officers truly have the power to request and check the work permit of personnel of the Hong Kong authorities without offering any reasons for doing so and there is no law requiring them to return the relevant documents
因此，根據《合作安排》第七1條，內地執法機構的執法人員有可能，甚至是有權向港方職員索取工作證件而不歸還。
Hence according to Article 71 of the Co - operation Arrangement it is possible that law enforcement officers of Mainland law enforcement agencies may request work permits from personnel of the Hong Kong authorities and do not return them and they may indeed have the power to do that
如果這名港方職員繼續被內地執法人員留難，不能履行職務，也因為他無證件和無職務，所以只能完全受內地法律規管。
By then the officer of the Hong Kong authorities who has been hindered by the Mainland law enforcement officer continually will not be able to perform his duties . Since he has no permit and is not performing duties he cannot but be subject fully to the regulation of the laws of the Mainland
第七1條的條文不夠清晰，因為這項《合作安排》的條文沒有解決一個很大的問題，就是內地執法人員對何謂履行職務的理解，可以和港方人員不同，而在普通情況下，內地執法人員可能會將自己對履 行職務的理解強加於港方人員，從而令內地執法人員可隨時無拘無束地影響正在執行職務的港方人員。
Article 71 is unclear . This provision under the Co - operation Arrangement fails to address a major problem that is the possible difference in the interpretation of performing duties between Mainland law enforcement officers and personnel of the Hong Kong authorities . Under general circumstances Mainland law enforcement officers may impose their interpretation of performing duties on personnel of the Hong Kong authorities so that Mainland law enforcement officers may influence freely personnel of the Hong Kong authorities who are performing their duties
我沒有足夠時間慢慢闡釋每一個理由。
I do not have enough time to elaborate each and every reason in detail
我想再一次總結我這3個條款，特別是第9條和第10條。
I would like to draw a conclusion for the three amendments I have made particularly on clauses 9 and 10
根據《合作安排》，內地口岸區的內地人員不能進入內地口岸區以外的區域執法。
According to the Co - operation Arrangement Mainland personnel at MPA cannot enter areas outside MPA to enforce laws
在法案委員會會議席上，政府說連進入非內地口岸區也不行，但條文並沒有清晰指出來。
At the meeting of the Bills Committee the Government said that they are not allowed to enter areas other than MPA yet this is not stated clearly in the provision
剛才雖然很混亂，但我也戴着耳機聽局長發言。
Although the situation is chaotic just now I have put on my headset to listen to the Secretarys speech
如果發生了，會與中央跟進，嚴肅處理。
He said in the event of such an incident it will be followed up with the Central Authorities and handled seriously
八個大字。
Ha ha what a remark
一如楊岳橋議員剛才所說，建立制度很難，但要破壞它卻很容易，我們現在正是看到制度被一點一滴地破壞。
As Mr Alvin YEUNG has stated just now it would be very difficult to establish a system but just a piece of cake for us to destroy it and we are now witnessing the destroy of our system bit by bit
《條例草案》的目的正是在破壞制度，這是我反對《條例草案》三讀的理由之一。
The aim of the Bill is to upset our system and this is one of the reasons why I oppose the Third Reading of the Bill
很多議員反對進行三讀，反對《條例草案》，是因為《條例草案》違憲。
Many Members oppose the Third Reading and the Bill because it is unconstitutional
說到違憲，我以為一定會由律政司司長進行辯護，為政府作出詳細解釋。
When it comes to the question of unconstitutionality it seems to me that the Secretary for Justice should definitely be the one who speak in defence of the Government and give a detailed explanation
相信代理主席也記得，法案委員會進行審議時，律政司司長、保安局局長及運輸及房屋局局長均曾出席三數次會議，並在席上回答問題。
I believe the Deputy President might also recall that during deliberation by the Bills Committee the Secretary for Justice Secretary for Security and Secretary for Transport and Housing have on several occasions attended meetings of the Bills Committee and answered questions raised by members
但是，我感到很奇怪的是，原來官員甚至司長，竟然尊重法案委員會的會議多於立法會會議。
However it is puzzling to me that government officials and Secretaries of Departments have attached more importance to Bills Committee meetings than Council meetings
代理主席，《條例草案》的審議過程，亦讓我們看到中央、香港政府和完全聽命的建制派，如何互相配合，一同閹割整個立法會，也看到他們如何在違反程序公義之下，強行通過一項被香港大律師公會、很多市民和法律界人士認為屬違憲的法案。
Deputy President the deliberation process on the Bill has shown to us how the Central Authorities the Hong Kong Government and the completely obedient members of the pro - establishment camp have worked in coordination to castrate the entire Legislative Council . We can also see clearly how they have breached procedural justice and forcibly passed a bill which is considered unconstitutional by the Hong Kong Bar Association a large number of people and many members of the legal sector
政府亦無法向我們清楚解釋，並令我們信服為何可讓這項法案凌駕於香港的三權分立制度之上，以及衝擊香港的"一國兩制"和《基本法》。
The Government has also failed to clearly explain to us with convincing reasons why the Bill should be allowed to override the system of separation of powers in Hong Kong and deal a great blow to the principle of one country two systems as well as the Basic Law
首先，我要指出這段說話與事實完全不符，但我也要清楚表明，我剛才其實也聽不清楚他在說甚麼，是同事為我重聽錄音及記下這段說話，但這話真的與事實不符。
First of all I have to point out that such remarks are totally inconsistent with the truth but I also have to make it clear that I actually did not catch what he said then . My colleagues have listened to a replay of the audio recording and jotted down these remarks for me and they are really inconsistent with the truth
政府認為周密、詳細而全面的過程，在很多人和議員而言其實一點也不周密、詳細、全面。
The Government considers the whole process a meticulous detailed and comprehensive one but in the opinion of many people and Members it is not meticulous detailed and comprehensive at all
所以，這也是我一定要反對三讀的原因。
I therefore consider it necessary for me to oppose the Third Reading of the Bill
如果局長真的有道理，可以理服人，又何需使用這種方法？
If the Secretary does have reason on his side and is able to make a convincing case why need he use such methods?
這當然也是反對三讀的理由之一。
This is certainly one of the reasons why I oppose the Third Reading of the Bill
既然所有事情也是預設，立法會不如把所有結果預設，日後政府要立法會通過法案，把結果預設便可以了，為甚麼要所有人陪政府當橡皮圖章？
Since everything has been predetermined all voting results of this Council should also be decided beforehand so as to make things easier for the Government in the future when it wishes the Legislative Council to endorse a particular bill . Why bother to put up a show and make everyone a rubber stamp?
議會應該是民意代表履行監察政府責任的場所，而不是一班服從強權的奴才展示忠誠的地方，不過是否要展示忠誠，也要取決於建制派議員有否發言。
This legislature should be a place for elected representatives to discharge their responsibility of monitoring the performance of the Government instead of a forum for a group of flunkeys who kneel down before the authoritarian government to show loyalty . Yet pro - establishment Members should still rise to speak if they wish to show their loyalty
我不知道稍後有多少建制派議員可以在三讀階段發言，又或在主席的限制之下，是否有時間讓他們發言。
I do not know how many pro - establishment Members will be given a chance to speak later during the Third Reading or will there be enough time for them to speak under the restrictions imposed by the President