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時任運輸及房屋局局長於2012年11月及2016年11月的立法會議案辯論中回應時，曾清晰表明政府及房委會沒有計劃回購領展或個別拆售物業，因為這做法既不可行亦不符合公眾利益和審慎理財的原則。
In responding to the motion debates in the Legislative Council in November 2012 and November 2016 the then Secretary for Transport and Housing clearly stated that the Government and HA had no plan to buy back Link or individual divested properties as this would be incompatible with public interests and the principle of prudent financial management
上述立場至今沒有改變。
This position still remains valid
《房屋條例》第41條訂明房委會須確保向有關人士提供房屋和"委員會認為適合附屬房屋的康樂設施"。
Section 41 of the Housing Ordinance requires HA to secure the provision of housing and such amenities ancillary thereto as the Authority thinks fit for the persons concerned
終審法院指出，《房屋條例》中沒有條文規定公共屋邨的租戶擁有法定權利，在他們仍然使用有關設施時，房委會必須繼續保有及管控這些設施。只要設施可供住戶使用，房委會已確保提供有關設施，即使這些設施是由一個房委會沒有管控權的第三者所提供。
According to CFA it was not stipulated in the Housing Ordinance that tenants of PRH had any statutory right to the continued retention and control by HA of the facilities while the tenants were still using the facilities; and so long as the facilities were available to tenants it meant that HA had secured the provision of such facilities even if they were provided by a third party over whom HA had no control
在作出裁決前，終審法院已知悉拆售物業會以市場主導的商業運作模式營運，而房委會當時採用的營運模式，未必與私人機構的做法一致。
In reaching its conclusions CFA noted that a market - oriented commercial approach would be adopted in operating the divested properties whereas HAs approach at that time might not be in line with private sector practice
終審法院亦知悉，有關設施的運作情況或會改變，例如商戶的行業結構可能會有所不同。
CFA was also aware of the fact that there might be changes in the operation of the relevant facilities such as the tenant trade mix might be different
事實上，房委會在設計每個新公營房屋項目時都會諮詢公眾，亦會盡可能嘗試加入公眾建議的零售、福利、社區、教育、交通等設施。
In fact HA would consult the public when designing each new public housing project and try to include as far as practicable various facilities suggested by the public such as retail welfare community education transport etc
至於現有屋邨，房委會亦恆常地收到屋邨管理諮詢委員會及其他公眾人士對各種設施的意見，房委會會盡可能嘗試調整現有設施及加入新設施。
For existing estates HA regularly receives opinions on various facilities from Estate Management Advisory Committees and other members of the public . HA would try to adjust existing facilities or add new facilities as far as practicable
上述做法是既定、恆常、透明的程序。
The above practices and procedures are established regular and transparent
地契方面，地政總署會以地主身份，根據地契條款處理已批租的土地。
In respect of lease enforcement the Lands Department LandsD in the capacity of the landlord handles the leased land under the conditions in the land leases
一如其他私人物業，地政總署主要是因應收到有關已拆售物業 懷疑違反地契的投訴、轉介或查詢，根據現行程序作出巡查和跟進，並且會視乎情況徵詢相關政策局/政府部門及法律意見，如證實有違反地契條款，地政總署會採取適當的執行地契條款行動。
As with other private properties LandsD mainly acts on complaints referrals or enquiries about suspected breaches of the lease conditions of the divested properties by conducting inspections and taking follow - up actions in accordance with the existing procedures . Depending on the circumstances LandsD will also consult the relevant Policy Bureauxgovernment departments and seek legal advice . If breaches of the lease conditions are confirmed LandsD will take appropriate lease enforcement actions
房委會作為屋邨的其中一個業主，一直有與其他業主在日常有關屋邨管理事宜方面保持溝通，以保障房委會在大廈公契及限制性契諾方面的權益，如果發現懷疑違反地契的個案，房委會會轉介公契經理人、業主立案法團及相關地政處跟進處理。
HA as one of the owners of housing estates maintains communication with other owners on matters relating to the daily management of such estates with a view to protecting its rights under the deeds of mutual covenant DMCs and the restrictive covenants . Any suspected breach of land leases identified by HA will be referred to DMC Managers Owners Corporation and the relevant District Lands Offices for follow - up
除了地契條款之外，拆售物業的業主在營運時，與一般私人業主一樣必須遵守各項相關法例及物業買賣契約內的限制性契諾，各相關當局會按實際情況進行監管。
Apart from the land lease conditions owners of divested properties must in the same manner as other private property owners abide by the relevant statutory requirements and the restrictive covenants contained in the assignment deeds of the properties during the operation of such properties whereas the government departments concerned would carry out supervision in the light of the actual circumstances
只要符合法例規定及地契條文，不違反與房委會訂立的上述契諾，政府和房委會均不能亦不會干預有關業主的日常運作和商業決定。
As long as the relevant statutory requirements and land lease conditions are complied with and the aforementioned covenants with HA are not breached the Government and HA cannot and will not interfere with the owners day - to - day operations and commercial decisions
然而，若證實相關業主違反任何法規、地契條款或契諾，則相關政府部門及房委會必定嚴肅追究及採取相應行動。
However if it is confirmed that the owner concerned is in breach of any laws land lease conditions or covenants with HA the relevant government departments and HA will certainly pursue the matter seriously and take appropriate actions
主席，我對運輸及房屋局局長的答案非常失望。
President I am very disappointed with the answer of the Secretary for Transport and Housing
自從2016年領展把商場拆售給盈信後，這個屋苑的商場空置率非常高，現在商場沒有超級市場、沒有酒樓，只剩下一間小型茶餐廳。
Since 2016 when Link REIT divested the shopping centre to Vantage International Holdings Limited Vantage the vacancy rate of the shopping centre has been very high . At present there is no supermarket or Chinese restaurant in the shopping centre and the only shop still in business is a small Hong Kong - style cafe
當地居民及長者需步行20多分鐘到樂富商場購物，有地區服務人士甚至在區內設置共購站幫助居民購物，但效果不理想。
The residents including elderly people have to walk more than 20 minutes to Lok Fu Place for shopping . Some people providing community services in the district have even set up a co - op to help residents buy goods together but the result is unsatisfactory
有居民亦投訴指盈信在沒有申請豁免的情況下，將車位租予屋苑以外的人。
Some residents have also complained that Vantage has rented car parking spaces to non - residents without applying for exemptions
商鋪空置不單影響天馬苑的2800戶家庭，更影響鄰近天宏苑的600戶家庭。
Vacancy of shops has not only affected 2 800 households of Tin Ma Court but also 600 households of Tin Wang Court nearby
為何房委會不執法、不要求地政總署執法、為何不確保居民可以享有所需的康樂和生活設施？
How come HA has neither enforced the law nor asked LandsD to enforce the law; and how come it has not secured for the residents the provision of amenities and facilities to meet their daily needs?
多謝葉劉淑儀議員的補充質詢和意見。
I thank Mrs Regina IP for her supplementary question and views
有關拆售物業的轉讓會否影響居民的生活，任何拆售物業的業主均須根據相關地契條款及限制性契諾履行其義務。
Regarding whether an assignment of divested property will affect the lives of residents any owner of a divested property should discharge the duties provided in the relevant land lease conditions and restrictive covenants
請主席避免阻礙議員提問。
Will the President please do not impede Members from asking questions
我想問蘇偉文局長，為何運輸及房屋局至今仍未着手研究證券及期貨事務監察委員會放寬《房地產投資信託基金守則》對社區，特別是公屋社區的禍害，並要求證監會修訂《守則》，以免領展繼續拆售物業？
May I ask Secretary Dr Raymond SO why the Transport and Housing Bureau has not yet commenced a study on how the communities especially PRH are affected by the relaxation of the Code on Real Estate Investment Trusts the Code by the Securities and Futures Commission SFC; and why it has not asked SFC to amend the Code to stop Link REIT from continuing to divest its properties?
多謝區諾軒議員的意見和補充質詢。
I thank Mr AU Nok - hin for his views and supplementary question
多謝張宇人議員的補充質詢和意見。
I thank Mr Tommy CHEUNG for his supplementary question and views
我剛才曾強調，如發現有違反地契的行為，地政總署會以地主的身份嚴肅執法。
As I emphasized just now if breaches of land lease conditions are found LandsD will seriously enforce the law in the capacity as the land owner
主席，領展在2016年把逸東街市外判給建華集團，小商戶的租金由3萬元增至現時的5萬元，令市民根本無法負擔該街市的菜價，難怪有人說："領展，去死吧!"。
President after Link REIT outsourced the management of Yat Tung Market to Uni - China the rent payable by the small shop operators increased from 30,000 to 50,000 . As a result members of the public cannot afford to buy food in that market . No wonder some people would say Link REIT go to hell!
我想問政府有何措施阻止街市再被領展外判？
May I ask what measures the Government has put in place to stop Link REIT from outsourcing the management of more markets?
但是，我們理解市民對街市有強烈訴求，政府亦以新思維，在2017年施政報告中提到，會在東涌、洪水橋和天水圍設置公共街市，以回應當區市民對公共街市的訴求。
Nevertheless we understand the strong demands of the public regarding the market . The Government also adopted a new mindset and announced in the Policy Address in 2017 that public markets would be built in Tung Chung Hung Shui Kiu and Tin Shui Wai in response to the demands of local residents
但是，以東涌的逸東邨為例，居民要求更換廣場地磚，卻要請示領展，領展表示沒有資金，要等數年才能做；又例如葵盛東邨居民要求安裝行人電梯，也要請示領展；安定邨的商場被領展進行大規模裝修後，現時在那個老屋邨吃一碗麪要60多元，試問長者如何能負擔得起？
Link REIT asked the residents to wait a few years for there was no money to carry out the works now . In another example when residents of Kwai Shing East Estate requested to retrofit escalators Link REITs approval was again required . In On Ting Estate after Link REIT had carried out large - scale refurbishment works in the shopping centre people have to pay more than 60 for a bowl of noodles in that old housing estate
究竟局長可以幫居民做甚麼？
What actually can the Secretary do to help the residents?
多謝麥美娟議員的意見及補充質詢。
I thank Miss Alice MAK for her views and supplementary question
多謝何啟明議員的意見。
I thank Mr HO Kai - ming for his views
正如我在主體答覆中提到，只要業主沒有違反法規、地契條款或限制性契諾，政府沒有可能、亦不會干預其正常的商業運作，但這方面亦關乎企業社會責任問題。
As I said in the main reply if the landlord has not breached any laws land lease conditions or restrictive covenants the Government cannot and will not interfere with its normal business operation . This is an area which also concerns corporate social responsibility
現今的思潮着重企業社會責任，而作為一間上市公司，每年也要定期向股東匯報履行了多少社會責任，在年報的專章中清晰列載。
The trend of thought nowadays attaches importance to corporate social responsibility . Every listed company has to regularly report to its shareholders on its performance in fulfilling corporate social responsibility which will be clearly stated in a special chapter in its annual report
我們會盡力鼓勵公司及私人企業履行其企業社會責任。
We will try and encourage companies and private enterprises to fulfil their corporate social responsibility
張超雄議員，請動議你的第三組修正案。
Dr Fernando CHEUNG you may move your third group of amendment
主席，我動議講稿附錄我的第三組修正案，以修正第5條。
Chairman I move my third group of amendment to amend clause 5 as set out in the Appendix to the Script
我現在向各位提出的待決議題是：第4條納入本條例草案。
I now put the question to you and that is That clause 4 stand part of the Bill
《2018年海員俱樂部法團條例草案》。
Sailors Home and Missions to Seamen Incorporation Amendment Bill 2018
本會現在成為全體委員會，審議《2018年海員俱樂部法團條例草案》。
Council now becomes committee of the whole Council to consider the Sailors Home and Missions to Seamen Incorporation Amendment Bill 2018
我現在向各位提出的待決議題是：第1至25條納入本條例草案。
I now put the question to you and that is That clauses 1 to 25 stand part of the Bill
《2017年僱傭條例草案》。
Employment Amendment Bill 2017
議員就附屬法例及其他文書提出的議案。
Members motion on subsidiary legislation and other instruments
李慧琼議員會根據《議事規則》第49E2條動議議案，察悉提交本會省覽的內務委員會第12/17-18號報告內的《2018年差餉令》。
Ms Starry LEE will move a motion under Rule 49E2 of the Rules of Procedure to take note of the Rating Exemption Order 2018 which is included in Report No . 1217 - 18 of the House Committee laid on the Table of this Council
本會恢復《2018年海員俱樂部法團條例草案》的二讀辯論。
This Council resumes the Second Reading debate on the Sailors Home and Missions to Seamen Incorporation Amendment Bill 2018
主席，我動議若稍後就《2017年僱傭條例草案》所提出的條文或其修正案再進行點名表決，表決須在鐘聲響起1分鐘後進行。
Chairman I move that in the event of further divisions being claimed in respect of any provisions of or any amendments to the Employment Amendment Bill 2017 this committee of the whole Council do proceed to each of such divisions immediately after the division bell has been rung for one minute
根據《議事規則》第49B條，就譴責鄭松泰議員而動議的議案。
Motion under Rule 49B1A of the Rules of Procedure to censure Dr CHENG Chung - tai
謝偉俊議員在2016年12月14日的立法會會議上，根據《議事規則》第49B條動議上述議案。
At the Council meeting of 14 December 2016 Mr Paul TSE moved the above motion under Rule 49B1A of the Rules of Procedure
該議案的辯論已根據《議事規則》第49B條中止待續，而議案所述的事宜則交付調查委員會處理。
The debate on the motion was adjourned and the matter stated in the motion was referred to an investigation committee in accordance with Rule 49B2A of the Rules of Procedure
調查委員會已完成調查獲交付的事宜，並已於2018年4月11日向立法會提交報告。
The investigation committee has completed investigation into the matter referred to it and presented its report to the Council on 11 April 2018
按照《議事規則》第40條的規定，本會現在恢復該譴責議案的辯論。
In accordance with Rule 406A of the Rules of Procedure this Council now resumes the debate on the censure motion
主席，我留意到李慧琼議員身前有兩支旗幟，但我想提醒她，根據正式的規定，國旗和區旗舉起時......
President I notice that there are two flags in front of Ms Starry LEE but I would like to remind her that in accordance with formal provisions when the national flag and the regional flag are displayed
國旗必須高於區旗，面積亦須比區旗大，這是對國旗的尊重。
The national flag shall be above the regional flat and larger in size than the regional flag as a token of respect to the national flag
主席，我首先感謝黃定光議員的提點，這真的是工聯會需要檢討的地方。
Chairman first of all I would like to thank Mr WONG Ting - kwong for his advice as that is the area where a review should be conducted by The Hong Kong Federation of Trade Unions FTU
郭家麒議員剛才也說工聯會在勞工界的地位甚高，指我們控制勞工界的工會。
Dr KWOK Ka - ki just now also said that FTU enjoyed a pretty high status in the labour sector and controlled the trade unions of the labour sector
如果郭家麒議員真的認為值得組織工會， 我很歡迎他參與勞工運動，希望他的議員辦事處也可以成立工會爭取權益。
If Dr KWOK Ka - ki really finds it worthwhile to form a trade union I welcome his participation in the labour movement and I hope that his Members Office can form a trade union to fight for rights and interests
簡單而言，就是家家有本難唸的經，職場發生的事情的複雜程度，可能較議會有過之而無不及。
Simply put each family has its problems and what happened in the workplace may be far more complicated than the situation in the Council
那麼大家是否真的要支持張超雄議員的修正案？
If in the course of examination the Labour Tribunal considers it inappropriate for the employers and employees to work together but the legislation is so specific that the two sides cannot possibly settle the dispute or split up in a peaceful manner then will Members insist on supporting Dr Fernando CHEUNGs amendment?
可惜，這項措施正正反映政府制訂所謂"利民紓困"的寬減政策時有多偽善和不公。
This measure however reflects the hypocrisy and unfairness of the Government in formulating concessionary policies to provide the so - called relief
企業措施方面，我已經多次指出政府枉作小人，將企業首200萬元利潤的利得稅稅率削減50%，絕不公平。
As for the concessions for enterprises I have repeatedly said that the Government is making much ado about nothing by granting a 50 % reduction in profits tax rate for the first 2 million of profits which is absolutely unfair
最後，政府礙於壓力而"派糖"，向未能從上述任何利民紓困措施得益的市民每人"派錢"，上限4,000元。
In the end the Government is pressured into dishing out candies so that anyone who cannot benefit from the aforesaid relief measures will be given cash handouts of up to 4,000
第二，眾所周知，發展商最少有9,000個閒置單位，他們其實是在囤積居奇，卻美其名說是政府的樓宇供應政策，旨在增加香港樓宇供應。
Secondly as known to all developers have at least 9 000 vacant flats hoarding for the purpose of profiteering . They claimed that they have acted in line with the Governments housing policy to boost housing supply
大家都知道這是謊話。
We all know that is a lie
所以，在香港做生意或做有錢人有很多好處。
Therefore it is really good to be businessmen or rich people in Hong Kong
政府可否正正經經做實事？
Can the Government do some real work seriously?
很遺憾，我要坦白說，這項修正案本來不應該由張超雄議員提出。
Frankly speaking I do not think Dr Fernando CHEUNG should be the one to propose these amendments because as we all know there are workers representatives among the Legislative Council Members
難聽點說，怎會打着紅旗反紅旗呢？
How come it flaunts the red flag to oppose the red flag?
雖然在政府的設計下，如果修正案不合政府的心意，不合商界的心意便休想可以通過，但是，局長也不能公然反對代議政制的意義。
Though under the procedures designed by the Government any amendments opposed by the Government or the business sector will definitely not be passed the Secretary still cannot blatantly defy the representative system . The duty of the Legislative Council ie
大家要明白和尊重《基本法》清楚訂明的立法會的天職，便是監督政府， 我們亦希望透過立法過程維持香港碩果僅存的代議政制。
to monitor the Government is enshrined in the Basic Law . It is something that we should understand and respect . We should also uphold the precious representative system left to Hong Kong by making laws properly
剛才多位議員說中小企有多淒涼，大家用常理來考慮，過往多年，大部分經勞審處審理的個案，其實都與中小企無關。
Just now a number of Members described the miserable conditions facing small and medium enterprises SMEs but we should be sensible in considering this matter . In the past most of the cases handled by the Labour Tribunal actually did not involve SMEs
九巴對待員工非常刻薄，員工挺身維護自己作為工人在香港工作的權利，九巴便已經想不合理地解僱他們。
KMB is very mean to its staff . When some of its staff members stood up to strive for their fellow workers rights in Hong Kong KMB was thinking of dismissing them unreasonably
過往很多大型的勞資糾紛，以國泰、職業訓練局和大學為例，僱員當然是受僱人士，即工聯會所說的偉大的工人階級，他們也是"打工仔"，手停口停。
In the past there were many major labour disputes . Take Cathay Pacific Airways the Vocational Training Council and universities as examples their employees were of course under employment and in the words of FTU they were the great working class
雖然法案可以討論，但任何惡法只要得到保皇黨及建制派的保駕護航，大多數也是只有討論，討論完後仍然要通過。
While discussion is allowed during the scrutiny of bills all draconian bills supported by the royalists and the pro - establishment camp will eventually get passed after discussion
不過，牽頭破壞這些原則的不只是政府，還有建制派和保皇黨，還有聲稱幫助工人的議員，這些人才令我感到心痛，這些人的行為才顯出他們的不義。
Yet the Government is not the only body which takes the lead to ruin these beliefs the royalists the pro - establishment camp and the Members who claim to support workers have also joined in which is the most saddening to me . Their behaviour has actually exposed their injustice
主席，據我理解，我應在其他議員發言後才作出回應。
President according to my understanding I should reply after other Members have delivered their speeches
代理主席，如果我們看看出席議員的人數和發言的踴躍程度，恐怕也知道對於非建制派而言，這是一個非常難為的議案，因為事實上他們並沒有太多人在席，一直也只有"班長"莫乃光議員在席，而我想鄭松泰議員大概是在外面的前廳看直播，正如我們當天在前廳目睹他侮辱國旗和區旗的情況一樣。
Deputy President if we examine the number of attending Members and their enthusiasm in making speeches we can tell that this motion is very embarrassing to the non - establishment Members because not too many of them are present here . Only Class Monitor Charles Peter MOK has all along been here . I guess Dr CHENG Chung - tai is probably watching the live broadcast outside in the Ante - Chamber just like we were there on the same spot watching the live broadcast of his desecration of the national flags and the regional flags that day
代理主席，我在上一次動議辯論議案時，即2016年12月14日，已經就這項議案，以及當時陳志全議員提出的相反議案作詳細發言。
Deputy President during the previous motion debate proposed by me on 14 December 2016 I already gave a detailed speech on the motion and an opposition motion proposed by Mr CHAN Chi - chuen
由於時間關係，我恐怕不能夠一一重新表述當中很多很重要的原則，在需要時，希望各位市民可翻看有關的辯論，那是值得推薦和觀看的。
As time is running out I am afraid I cannot repeat many of the key principles therein . If necessary I hope members of the public can refer to the relevant debate which is worthy of recommendation and viewing
當然，我也很多謝4位反對派同事就有關議案表達反對聲音。
Certainly I also thank the four opposition colleagues for their voices of opposition to the relevant motion
更重要的是，代理主席，當這些同事說無須跟進或不應在法庭可能有任何判決前跟進，他們同樣利用非法庭以外的程序來針對另外兩位同事，即周浩鼎議員和何君堯議員的行為。
More importantly Deputy President when these colleagues said that follow - up action was unwarranted or should not be taken before the judgment possibly made by the Court they similarly made use of a procedure outside the Court to pinpoint the conduct of two other Honourable colleagues namely Mr Holden CHOW and Dr Junius HO
第二點是這正正說回剛才的道理如果 我們應該留待選民判斷，那我們為何需要《基本法》第七十九條第六項及第七項呢？
Secondly if we are to leave it to the electors to judge―this was precisely the argument advanced earlier―why should we need Articles 796 and 797 of the Basic Law?
整個機制證明了我們不能夠依靠選民在若干時間後的判斷，而是我們有自我約束和自我管制的能力，令議會的水平我們盡力而為吧達至某個標準。
The entire mechanism proves that we cannot rely on the judgment made by electors at a certain point of time in future . Instead we should be able to exercise self - constraint and self - control to ensure that the Legislative Council―let us try our best―meets a certain standard
更重要的是，代理主席，回看這次事件，鄭松泰議員其實很聰明，他可以說是欺騙選民的高手，這一點他也承認了。
More importantly Deputy President if we review the incident we will find that Dr CHENG Chung - tai was actually very smart and can be described as very good at cheating electors
大家如果留意一些網上錄音，會發現在2011年6月10日，有一段錄音被公開，而他事後也親自承認那是他說的。
Even he himself has conceded this point . If Members have paid attention to online audio recordings they would have found that one audio clip was made public on 10 June 2011 and Dr CHENG conceded later that he was the speaker
那段錄音說"公眾是白癡"、"有份支持梁、游，令黃毓民敗選的人是智力有問題"。
In the audio clip he said that the public are idiots and people supporting LEUNG and YAU and causing WONG Yuk - man to be defeated in the election must have problems with their intelligence
他當時表示遺憾。
Although he expressed regret at that time for what did he regret?
不是罵公眾是白癡，即選他的公眾是白癡，而是他說當時在公眾面前要假裝與梁、游要好來騙選票，這是他親自承認的說法。
If he was not calling the public idiots he must be calling his electors idiots . He himself even conceded that he pretended before the very eyes of the public to befriend LEUNG and YAU in order to solicit votes by fraud . It was his personal confession
這簡直是又要欺騙選民，又要侮辱選民，在適當時候又說要留待選民選擇，你們再相信他便真的是白癡。
He is simply cheating and humiliating electors . When the time is ripe he will again say that he will leave the decision to electors . The public are really idiots should they trust him again
代理主席，另一種說法是小題大做論，又或者是陳志全議員口中的"假、大、空"論。
Deputy President another claim is that some Members are making a mountain out of a molehill or engaging in empty talk which is on the lips of Mr CHAN Chi - chuen all the time
首先，代理主席，這次事件與周浩鼎議員和何君堯議員事件不相同，這次是無可否認地牽涉到刑事案件、刑事後果，絕對不是小題大做。
Deputy President this incident is different from the ones involving Mr Holden CHOW and Dr Junius HO . Undeniably this incident involves a criminal case and criminal consequences . So Members are absolutely not making a mountain out of a molehill
就這一點，我必須駁斥梁繼昌議員，他身為律師，剛才說這是屬於strict liability。
With regard to this point I must refute Mr Kenneth LEUNG who as a lawyer described it as strict liability
錯、錯、錯，因為這項罪行本身清楚表明必須是故意的，一旦是故意的便已經不是strict liability，而是要證明他有意圖和是故意的，這跟違例泊車完全不同，梁議員。
He is terribly wrong because the offence itself clearly implies that the act must be deliberate so once it is deliberate it is not strict liability . Unlike illegal parking it must be proved that the offence in question is committed intentionally and deliberately Mr LEUNG
我恐怕你的學位......當然，我不希望你跟其他同事一樣，但這種說法是完全誤導選民和公眾的。
I am afraid your degree Of course I hope you will not act like your colleagues but your comment is absolutely misleading electors and the public
當然，誤導公眾的人不僅是他一個，因為在此以前，楊岳橋議員曾經在上一次辯論時批評說小學生也不會認為這是違法的行為。
Certainly he was not the only one who misled the public . Before that Mr Alvin YEUNG said in the previous debate that even primary students would not consider such an act illegal
當然，我希望楊岳橋議員在檢討後也認同我的看法，便是小學生也知道這是違法行為。
Certainly I hope Mr YEUNG will agree with me after review that even primary students know that such an act is illegal
大律師，當然我們有時候也會出錯，不過如果說小學生也應該知道，大家便應該清楚知道我們的水平是怎樣。
Counsel we will definitely make mistakes sometimes but if you said even primary students should have known then Members should have a clear idea of our level
代理主席，當然，我同意這宗案件在結果上只罰款總共5,000元，未達到《基本法》第七十九條第六項的門檻，即監禁1個月或以上。
Deputy President the Member involved in this case was ultimately fined 5,000 . I certainly agree that the penalty does not meet the threshold stipulated in Article 796 of the Basic Law that is imprisonment for one month or more
但是，大家不要忘記，這只是這宗刑事案件判例的其中一個水平，而這個水平本身並不代表甚麼。
Nevertheless Members must bear in mind that this is merely one of the penalty levels of this criminal precedent and this level per se does not mean anything
當年，前議員梁國雄觸犯一些刑事罪行，被判監超過1個月，當時亦是由我提出議案，給大家機會辯論究竟應如何處理這個刑事結果。
Former Legislative Council Member LEUNG Kwok - hung was once convicted of criminal offences and accordingly sentenced to imprisonment for more than one month . It was I who proposed a motion at that time to give Members an opportunity to debate what to do with this criminal outcome
當時，很公道地，有5位建制派議員，包括我本人，反對這項議案。
Honestly five pro - establishment Members including me voted against the motion
我們認為雖然刑事結果是監禁超過1個月，雖然符合《基本法》第七十九條第六項的門檻，但考慮到政治上的各種因素，在作出政治判斷後，我們認為無須褫奪其議席。
In our opinion although the threshold stipulated in Article 796 of the Basic Law was met as the outcome of the criminal case was imprisonment for more than one month we considered it unnecessary to remove Mr LEUNG from office upon making political judgments with various political factors taken into consideration