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那麼，失業綜援計劃能否幫助市民呢？
In that case can the unemployment assistance under CSSA help the public?
雖然有市民說這計劃未必有幫助，但亦算是多一個選項可以解決燃眉之急。
Though some people say that the Scheme may not be helpful it has after all provided one more option for them to meet their pressing needs
因此， 很多市民指出，政府現時有大量盈餘也不幫助他們，就算提供幫助，也設下重重關卡，幫不到甚麼。
As such many people are saying that the Government does not help them despite holding a huge surplus and even if it does it has put up many hurdles and cannot help them much
這是否理想的做法呢？
Is this a desirable approach?
正如剛才指出，議會的共識就是設立短期失業援助，這是一個"快、狠、準、幫到市民"是直接幫到市民的做法。
As pointed out earlier it is the consensus of the legislature to request for the provision of short - term unemployment assistance which is a quick decisive precise and helpful approach to provide direct assistance to the public
大家說的就是提供6個月短期失業援助，每月6,000元，這與"保就業"的9,000元差不多。
We are talking about the provision of short - term unemployment assistance of 6,000 per month for six months which is more or less the same as the 9,000 provided under ESS
是否因為有人會欺騙那一點錢，當局便放棄幫助所有需要幫助的人呢？
Does it mean that the authorities should give up helping all those in need just because some people will cheat them out of a little money?
如是者，這種為官態度，我實在不敢恭維。
If this is the case I really do not have the slightest respect for the attitude of government officials
第二個是處理長遠失業的制度。
The second comes the system of handling unemployment in the long run
當然，香港從來沒有這回事，但我們的經濟體系畢竟是外向型經濟，當一些國際金融危機或經濟危機出現時，我們或多或少也會受到牽連。
Surely there has never been such a system in Hong Kong . Yet our economy after all is externally - oriented . When there is an international financial crisis or economic crisis we will more or less be affected
然而，香港從來沒有考慮此事，這是否代表我們不需要或者不會有失業問題呢？
However Hong Kong has never considered this matter . Does it mean that we do not need to do this or we will not have the problem of unemployment?
或者公務員同事有否助他考慮呢？
Or have colleagues from the civil service helped him to consider this issue?
我這番評論或許不太公道，如果有的話，請局長及他的同事告訴議會。
My comment in this respect may be unfair in some way and if so I implore the Secretary and his colleagues to tell this Council
第三個建議是設立臨時職位。
The third proposal is about the creation of temporary posts
當然，我們看到這份預算案有3萬個不超過12個月的短期職位，我們亦希望政府趕快實行，為市民提供工作，免他們申領那些一直無法成功申請的援助，這肯定是好事。
Certainly we can see in this Budget that 30 000 short - term jobs will be created for a period of not exceeding 12 months . We also hope that the Government will implement the proposal expeditiously to provide jobs for the public so that they do not have to apply for assistance which they have failed to obtain so far . This will definitely be a good thing
我們當然要立足國情、積極探索、大膽創新、借鑒國外社保經驗代理主席，最重要是以下這一句堅持與時俱進，用革新的辦法和創新的思維解決發展中的問題，破除現時在體制內的障礙，推動社保事業向前行。
We should of course give regard to the conditions of our Country explore proactively be bold and innovative draw on the experience of overseas countries in social security―Deputy President the following line is most important―be persistent in keeping abreast of the times adopt new approaches and innovative thinking to solve the problems in development tear down existing barriers in the system and drive forward the social security sector
局長，雖然我們是"一國兩制"，但這並不代表內地一些解決社保或失業問題、貧窮問題的思想或做法就一定不適合香港。
Secretary though we are under one country two systems it does not mean that certain ideas or practices adopted in the Mainland for addressing the issues concerning social security unemployment or poverty are certainly unsuitable for Hong Kong
如果局長能夠有一個大膽創新、破除體制內障礙的想法，我相信失業問題絕對不是一個問題，我相信很多同事稍後亦會提出很多具體的建議供他參考。
If the Secretary can think boldly and innovatively to break down the barriers in the system I believe that unemployment definitely will not be a problem . I believe many colleagues will also put forth lots of specific proposals later for the Secretarys reference . Deputy President I will stop here for the time being
代理主席，我的發言暫時到此為止，我也想聽聽其他同事的具體意見，餘下的發言時間，我會留待稍後作回應，多謝代理主席。
I would like to listen to the specific views of other colleagues . As for my remaining speaking time I will save it for my coming reply . Thank you Deputy President
陳克勤議員，你現在可以就修正案發言，時限為5分鐘。
Mr CHAN Hak - kan you may now speak on the amendments . The time limit is five minutes
主席，有3位議員就我的原議案提出修正案，內容大致是把我的一些建議寫得更具體，因此我是會支持的。
President three Members have proposed amendments to my original motion which mainly seek to set out some of my proposals in a more specific way so I will give my support to them
我想特別提及陸頌雄議員及邵家輝議員提出增加"特別․愛增值"計劃的津貼額，我也支持這個建議，因為這項措施確實可以幫助僱員提升專業技能，甚至轉至其他職場。
I would like to highlight the proposal made by Mr LUK Chung - hung and Mr SHIU Ka - fai to increase the amount of allowance under the Love Upgrading Special Scheme . I also support this proposal because this measure can truly help employees upgrade their professional skills or even switch occupations
不過，我了解到現時由於疫情關係，不少課堂也要暫停。
However I understand that many courses are currently suspended due to the epidemic
鑒於疫情反覆，僱員再培訓局是否也要探討一套新的制度，在疫情之下靈活調動課程，例如一些比較理論性的課程可否改用Zoom上課，令到學員既不會失業，亦不會失學。
Given the volatile epidemic situation should the Employees Retraining Board ERB explore a new system to flexibly arrange its courses amid the epidemic such as switching to Zoom for some relatively theoretical courses so that trainees will neither lose their job nor miss out on training?
此外，梁美芬議員提到應該設立失業轉型支援基金，幫助失業人士轉行。
In addition Dr Priscilla LEUNG suggested that a support fund for occupation switching should be established to assist the unemployed in switching to other trades
謝偉俊議員的議案主要分為兩部分，第一部分是研究及適當修訂《保護海港條例》，我們對此並不反對。
Mr Paul TSEs motion is mainly divided into two parts . The first part is about examining and appropriately amending the Protection of the Harbour Ordinance to which we have no objection
正如工聯會亦說，現時的勞工條例已沿用多年，應適時全面檢討。
As the Hong Kong Federation of Trade Unions has also said before the existing labour legislation which has been in force for years should be comprehensively reviewed in a timely manner
對於研究和檢討，我們是完全支持的。
We fully support examination and review
第二部分提及要在啟德填海，原因是為了覓地、交通及其他想法。
The second part mentions the need for reclamation in Kai Tak on the grounds of search for land transport and other notions
大家也知道，謝偉俊議員提出的啟德填海建議來自"城東方案"，這個方案在10年前已經在坊間進行討論，當時的結論是，社會公眾均認為要保留啟德的原貌，所以方案未被採納。
As we all know the Kai Tak reclamation proposal raised by Mr Paul TSE originated from the proposed Project City - E which was discussed in the community a decade ago . At that time the conclusion was that the public found it necessary to keep Kai Tak in its original state and thus the proposal was not accepted
如果 此刻以翻案的形式提出，過程一定需時，本身修訂《條例》已經不是一朝一夕所能做到的事，而填海所帶來的爭拗相信亦會十分費時。
If the proposal is to be revisited now the process will definitely take time . Amendment to the Ordinance is by no means something which can be done overnight and controversies arising from reclamation I believe will also be very time - consuming
此外，雖然"城東方案"提到填海有機會只是"有機會"可以得到85公頃土地，這是頗大的誘惑，可是，坦白說，由於當年"城東方案"未被採納，現時已有啟德發展的規劃方案，而這項規劃方案亦已經"落地"。
Moreover Project City - E mentioned the possibility―it was only a possibility―that 85 hectares of land could be obtained through reclamation which was quite tempting . But frankly speaking since Project City - E was not accepted back then now a planning proposal for the development of Kai Tak is already in place and this planning proposal is being put into practice
如果現時再翻案，毫無疑問只會打亂原有的啟德發展規劃。
If the old proposal is revisited now it will undoubtedly disrupt the original planning for the development of Kai Tak
再者，某程度上，85公頃是很多的土地，但我會形容這是一個大型的"插針"項目。
Furthermore to a certain extent 85 hectares is a lot of land but I would describe this as a large - scale infill project
所謂"插針"，就是對已發展的區域帶來額外的負荷。
By infill it means it will bring an extra loading to a developed area
啟德發展本身已經作好計劃，如果現時硬要再額外加上一些土地以至房屋需求，這些毫無疑問一定是額外的負荷。
The Kai Tak development is already well planned . If it is now forced to bear additional demands for land and housing these will undoubtedly pose an extra loading
最後一個原因當然是正如我的同事剛才所說，熱島和屏風效應會阻礙內陸的通風，亦會阻礙市民在維多利亞港觀賞山脊線的機會，因為前方已是樓景，怎能看到後方呢？
The last reason is of course as mentioned by my Honourable colleagues just now the heat island and wall effects will obstruct inland ventilation . It will also obstruct the public from enjoying the sight of the ridgelines at the Victoria Harbour because their front view will be blocked by the buildings . So how can they see the scenery behind?
因此，主席，如果不想再有大型"插針"的構想，其實發展"明日大嶼"是一項更有遠見的規劃。
Therefore President if we do not want to have any more proposition of large - scale infill the development of Lantau Tomorrow is actually a more far - sighted plan
主席，說回議員擬研究及修訂的《條例》的內容。
President back to the contents of the Ordinance which Members intend to examine and amend
首先，訂立《條例》的初心很清楚，就是希望維多利亞港可作為市民大眾的共同資源和資產，大家可以享用。
First of all the original intent of enacting the Ordinance is quite clear . It is to make the Victoria Harbour a common resource and asset for the enjoyment of the general public
雖然後期加入了一些條款，局長亦舉出了數個例子，但這些例子其實也很慘痛。
Although some provisions were subsequently added and the Secretary has cited several examples these examples are actually rather painful
以我本身負責的北角區的東區走廊下的行人板道為例，過程十分艱難，而且費時甚長。
Take the Boardwalk underneath the Island Eastern Corridor in the North Point District for which I am responsible as an example . The process was arduous and time - consuming
根據我的前輩王國興前議員所說，發展北角海濱之事已討論了超過30年，而我在任10多年，亦發現要在港島北岸沿線發展海濱長廊，其實十分不容易，已討論了10多年。
According to my predecessor former Member Mr WONG Kwok - hing the development of the waterfront in North Point has been discussed for more than 30 years . Having been in office for some 10 years I also found it by no means easy to develop a promenade along the northern shore of Hong Kong Island which has been discussed for more than 10 years
我記得當年討論發展東區走廊下的行人板道時，發展局最初不肯出席東區區議會會議，在我們三催四請，多次邀請及請求後，最終才有發展局的同事出席，不是官員而是一些十分年青的同事。
I remember that during the discussion on the development of the Boardwalk underneath the Island Eastern Corridor the Development Bureau initially refused to attend the Eastern District Council meetings . It was only after our repeated invitations and requests that representatives from the Development Bureau not senior officials but very young officers finally attended
當時有一種說法是利用人造衞星向下望，東區走廊已遮蓋了海面，理論上在它的下方做甚麼也可以，但亦有說法 是即使已設有架空天橋，若在下方再興建任何東西觸及海面，也是不可以的。
At that time there was an argument that taking a top - down satellite view one would see that the Island Eastern Corridor had covered the sea . So in theory anything could be done underneath it . However there was another argument that even if a viaduct had been built further construction of anything beneath it that would touch the sea was prohibited
希望負責的土木工程拓展署能夠再與屋苑居民詳細討論，希望這個方案能夠"落地"。
I hope that the Civil Engineering and Development Department which is responsible for the matter will further discuss with the residents of the housing estate in detail . I hope this proposal can be put into practice
不過，很遺憾，事隔多月後，議案竟然未過時，反而更為合時。
Yet regrettably after a lapse of many months the motion has become even more timely rather than outdated
這反映失業問題不僅由嚴重轉為非常嚴重，同時反映經濟不景對"打工仔女"折騰的時間和幅度較SARS更長。
This does not merely reflect that the unemployment problem has not only turned from serious to extremely serious but also that the economic downturn has been affecting wage earners for a longer time and to a greater extent than SARS
當然大家會說，疫情只有約1年，但如果計算"黑暴"，即每逢周五、周六、周日也有人外出搞事，令很多市民不敢外出，就是平日晚上亦不敢外出，餐飲娛樂業已經大受打擊，主席，這些時間加上來，其實已有兩年。
Of course Members may say that the epidemic has only lasted for about a year but if we take into account the black - clad violence that is―when people came out to cause trouble on Fridays Saturdays and Sundays a lot of people dared not go out . They dared not go out even on weekday nights dealing a severe blow to the catering industries and the entertainment industries . President these periods of time actually add up to two years
當然，過程中還出現強烈的對比，那便是賺大錢的超級市場發揮其極端資本主義的天性，照樣申請資助，申請後還卻指罵，表示他們賺錢仍可申請計劃，獲取資助後便說會為有需要的人舉行大抽獎，但其實也是為超級市場宣傳，提升營業額。
Of course there are also stark contrasts in the process . Supermarkets which are reaping great profits have brought their extreme capitalist nature into full play as they still applied for the assistance . After submitting their applications they talked back that they could also apply for ESS though they were making money
看看相關數字，破產管理署去年處理的個案大約8,693宗，較2019年增加500多宗。
Let us look at the relevant figures . The Official Receivers Office handled about 8 693 cases last year 2020 an increase of some 500 cases compared with 2019
至於接管令和破產令方面，去年有1,108宗，較2019年增加358宗，這已經反映經營環境很艱難。
As regards receiving orders or bankruptcy orders there were 1 108 cases last year an increase of 358 cases compared with 2019 . These figures reflect that business environment is very difficult
主席，接近兩年零收入，對"打工仔女"已經是"入骨入肉"，但政府是否感到痛呢？
President wage earners have been enduring zero income for close to two years their savings are running out . However does the Government feel the pain?
最基本、最人道也應貼上膠布，對嗎？
The most basic and humane response is to apply a Band - Aid is it not?
相較2003年SARS時期，當時合共開設接近73,000個臨時工作崗位，但面對肺炎疫情，當局剛剛才宣布開設3萬個職位，但仍未落實，加上先前開設的職位才是6萬個職位3萬個職位加上3萬個職位，只有6萬個職位而實際上已落實的更只有18,000個，這是十分緩慢的。
Compared with the SARS outbreak in 2003 a total of nearly 73 000 temporary jobs were created at that time . Now in the face of the coronavirus epidemic the authorities have just announced the creation of 30 000 jobs which have not yet been implemented . Taking into account the jobs created some time ago the total is merely 60 000 jobs―the sum of 30 000 jobs and 30 000 jobs is 60 000 jobs―and only 18 000 jobs have actually been created
那麼20多萬名失業人士要如何處理他們的家庭需要，如何面對經濟問題呢？
If so how can the some 200 000 unemployed persons meet their family needs and face their financial problems?
而且，不得不提的是，香港過去談及貧富懸殊時，大部分情況或基本上是以收入來計算。
Moreover it must be mentioned that when we talked about the disparity between the rich and the poor in Hong Kong in the past fundamentally it is assessed by income in most cases
不過，事實上，很多學者也指出，資產也是考慮因素之一。
Yet in fact many academics have pointed out that assets should also be one of the considerations
可是，如果我既沒有收入，又沒有資產，或我僅餘的十多二十萬元資產已在過去兩年耗盡，我面對的不穩定性，我對未來的憂慮便更大、更苦惱。
Yet if I have neither income nor assets or if my remaining assets of 100,000 to 200,000 have been used up in the past two years the uncertainty I am facing will deepen my worry and anxiety about my future
政府能否感受到呢？
Can the Government feel this?
主席，最後，我想在這裏苦口婆心的說，就是嘮叨也好，政府需要爭取民心。
President finally I would like to give some earnest advice though it may sound like nagging . The Government has to win the hearts and minds of the people
現在民心所想的是，政府能否做到"同心抗疫"及"共渡時艱"，這兩個標題已說了很多次。
The public is now thinking whether the Government can fight the epidemic together and ride out this difficult time with them . These two slogans have been mentioned numerous times
有見失業問題嚴重，在立法會延任安排獲確認後，我便向立法會秘書處申請提出議員議案，希望促請政府設立失業貸款基金。
In view of the grave unemployment problem after the extension of the Legislative Councils term of office was confirmed I applied to the Legislative Council Secretariat to propose a Members motion to urge the Government to set up an unemployment loan fund
政府在上月公布的財政預算案中，宣布為失業人士推出百分百擔保個人特惠貸款計劃，這是我與港九勞工社團聯會倡議多年的失業貸款基金的變奏，也是對失業人士姍姍來遲的回應。
In the Budget delivered last month the Government announced the introduction of the Special 100 % Loan Guarantee for Individuals Scheme for the unemployed . This is a variation of the unemployment loan fund advocated by the Federation of Hong Kong and Kowloon Labour Unions FLU and me for years as well as a belated response to the unemployed
事實上，議會內不少同事眼見政府對失業率攀升並無有效應對措施，均不約而同地提出有關失業問題的議題進行討論，除了現時有關失業問題的辯論外，本會人力事務委員會亦成立了小組委員會，研究在本港設立失業援助制度的可行建議。代理主席，失業援助對勞工界議員來說，是一個老生常談的問題。
As a matter of fact seeing that the Government has no effective measures to deal with the soaring unemployment rate many Honourable colleagues in the Council have coincidentally raised the issue of unemployment for discussion . Apart from the present debate on unemployment the Panel on Manpower of this Council has also set up a subcommittee to look into possible proposals for the establishment of an unemployment assistance system in Hong Kong Deputy President to Members of the labour sector unemployment assistance is a frequently visited issue
除了失業援助外，我們還提出了失業保險措施，希望協助失業僱員解燃眉之急，但政府對這些老生常談的建議卻一直無動於衷。
Apart from unemployment assistance we have also proposed the measure of unemployment insurance in the hope of helping unemployed workers meet their pressing needs . Yet the Government has all along been indifferent to these proposals which have been brought up time and again
因此，我代表的勞聯在SARS疫情衝擊香港致失業率飆升的期間，提出了"以貸代援"的建議，以失業貸款的形式協助失業僱員解決一時之困，對公帑也不會造成沉重負擔。
Hence during the period when the SARS epidemic hit Hong Kong causing the unemployment rate to soar FLU which I represent put forward the proposal of providing loans as assistance to help unemployed workers resolve their immediate problems in the form of unemployment loans without imposing a heavy burden on the public coffers
今天，我們仍然需要在議會就失業支援作出討論，可以說只是重複過往的論述，因為在面對兩次金融危機及2003年的非典型肺炎疫情後，政府並無汲取教訓。
The discussion on unemployment support that we still need to conduct in the Council today can be regarded as a mere repetition of past arguments because after encountering the two financial crises and the 2003 atypical pneumonia epidemic the Government still did not learn a lesson
直至今次社會事件及新冠肺炎疫情困擾本港超過一年後，政府仍然沒有一套有效制度來支援失業及就業不足的人士。
This time when Hong Kong has been plagued by the social incidents and the COVID - 19 epidemic for more than a year the Government is yet to put in place an effective system to support the unemployed and underemployed
當然，在過去一年，政府先後推出了一些紓困措施，但撇開目前尚未公布細節的個人特惠貸款計劃不說，對僱員的支援措施，基本上只是由"保就業"計劃及不同行業的針對性措施東拼西湊而成，成效不足、漏洞百出。
Certainly over the past year the Government has introduced some relief measures one after another . However leaving aside the Loan Guarantee Scheme the details of which are yet to be announced the support measures for employees are basically a mere patchwork of ESS and targeted measures for different industries . They are ineffective and full of loopholes
以我接觸的工會會員為例，有機場工友在"保就業"計劃下，可保住職位，卻保不住收入，因為要放取無薪假期，加上過往 因底薪低而要依賴加班支撐收入的行規陋習，其工資由3萬元下跌至1萬元；亦有駕駛旅遊巴的工友，由於不獲前僱主承認，無法領取政府的行業補貼。
Some airport workers can keep their jobs but not their income under ESS because they have to take unpaid leave coupled with the undesirable past trade practice of relying on overtime work to support income due to low basic salaries . Their wages have thus dropped from 30,000 to 10,000 . There are also coach drivers who cannot receive the Governments subsidies for the industry because they are not recognized by their former employers
堆砌而成的紓困措施始終未能直接令失業工友受惠，歸根究底，是由於在過往的政府政策上，失業支援措施一直是一片空白。
The piecemeal relief measures have failed to directly benefit unemployed workers . After all it is because the government policies have all along been devoid of unemployment support measures in the past
代理主席，我及勞聯近年建議政府應該未雨綢繆，設立失業貸款基金，向失業人士提供免息貸款。
Deputy President FLU and I have suggested in recent years that to prepare for rainy days the Government should set up an unemployment loan fund to provide interest - free loans to the unemployed
我希望通過今次發言闡述我們的方案，以拋磚引玉，探討支援失業人士的長遠方案。
Through elaborating on our proposal in this speech I seek to throw a sprat to catch a mackerel and explore a long - term proposal for supporting the unemployed
對政府而言，最大的憂慮是貸款"有借無還"，失業貸款成為失業援助，對政府構成沉重負擔。
To the Government the greatest concern is that the loans granted will not be repaid and unemployment loans serving as unemployment assistance will pose a heavy burden on the Government
我們建議，若能以僱員的強積金作為貸款的信貸保證，如僱員沒有償還失業貸款，當他觸動領取強積金的機制時，便可以扣除相關款項。
We propose that if the employees Mandatory Provident Fund MPF can be used as a credit guarantee for the loan in the case where the employee fails to repay his unemployment loan the relevant amount can be deducted when he triggers the mechanism to withdraw the MPF accrued benefits
這方案與財政司司長在預算案提出的個人特惠貸款計劃比較，其優點是降低了政府作為擔保人須承擔的壞帳風險，同時令措施得以持續。
Compared with the Loan Guarantee Scheme proposed by the Financial Secretary in the Budget this proposal has the advantage of reducing the risk of bad debt to be borne by the Government as the guarantor while making it feasible for the measure to be sustained
當然，缺點是修例需時，以及可能未能照顧到沒有強積金戶口的自由職業者。
Of course the downside is that it takes time to amend the legislation and it may not cater for freelancers who do not have any MPF accounts
代理主席，關於失業貸款基金的運作，其基本構思和具體方案可以從長計議，例如失業時間多長才可以申領失業貸款、貸款總額上限、每月領取的貸款金額，以至如何分期償還等，都可以集思廣益。
Deputy President regarding the operation of the unemployment loan fund the basic idea and specific proposal can be further discussed . For example the duration of unemployment as an eligibility requirement for application for the unemployment loan the ceiling on the total loan amount the monthly loan amount to be collected as well as how to make repayment by instalment can be discussed by drawing on collective wisdom
我所屬的勞聯亦曾提出具體建議，但經過這數年反覆研究後，我們希望建議有所改進，可以消除政府和商界的憂慮。
FLU to which I belong has made a specific proposal before but after repeated studies over these few years we hope that the proposal can be improved to allay the concerns of the Government and the business sector
代理主席，疫情肆虐本港超過一年，不少議員、政黨及勞工團體已經先後要求政府為失業人士提供直接援助。
Deputy President the epidemic has been rampant in Hong Kong for more than a year . Quite a number of Members political parties and labour groups have requested the Government one after another to provide direct assistance to the unemployed
我們相信這也是社會的主流意見，亦認同有此需要，最大的分歧在於方案的具體細節。
We believe this is also the mainstream view in society and we agree that there is such a need . The biggest difference lies in the specific details of the proposal
謝偉俊議員提出這項議員議案，是關於研究修訂《保護海港條例》及觀塘的填海問題。
This Members motion proposed by Mr Paul TSE is about examining the amendment of the Protection of the Harbour Ordinance and the reclamation works at Kwun Tong
在我剛才提出的引子中，第一個最重要想談論的話題，就是關於《條例》的起源。
With the introductory remarks that I have made a moment ago the first and foremost important issue that I wish to talk about is the origin of the Ordinance
《條例》並非單純是源於我們考慮要如何保護香港的海洋，即香港的外港，並不是這樣的，《條例》的內容其實是如何保護香港的內港，即是維多利亞港。
The Ordinance did not simply originate from our consideration on how to protect the ocean of Hong Kong that is the outer harbour of Hong Kong . This is not the case . The provisions of the Ordinance are actually about how to protect the inner harbour of Hong Kong that is the Victoria Harbour
我花了3分鐘簡單講述《條例》的由來，就是由於在1970年代、1980年代，香港人首次在香港發現了一個地方，是與我們的未來相關、和我們的生活息息相關，然後便在1997年前難得地通過了《條例》，以保護我們的公共資源，就是我們的海洋。
I have spent three minutes to briefly explain the origin of the Ordinance . It is because in the 1970s and 1980s Hong Kong people discovered for the first time a place in Hong Kong which was related to our future and closely connected with our lives and then the Ordinance was passed as a rare occurrence before 1997 to protect our public resources ie . our sea
我們的郊野公園這是不太相關的，這是麥理浩時代的我們的空氣，但水是另計的，以及其他制度等相對虛無的事情也不提了，例如文化等。
I am not going to talk about our country parks―this is not quite relevant as this is something in the MACLEHOSE era―our air but water is not included and other institutions which are relatively abstract such as culture etc
因此，站在這個立場上，不好意思，這項議員議案原則上是不可以支持的，甚至連討論的空間也沒有，為甚麼呢？
Therefore from this standpoint I am sorry to say that this Members motion cannot be supported in principle and there is even no room for discussion . Why?
這是基於我們如何看待香港可能尚餘的這個地方，在數十年來，或者在接下來20年的發展。
This is based on how we look at the development of this place that is possibly left in Hong Kong in the past few decades or in the next score of years
我相信大家也明白我的立場，如果我們提出一些較"老土"的論點，即是所謂基於香港長遠利益去考慮，《條例》就是站在香港長遠利益之上，如何保護我們僅有的公共資源唯一一項具體的法案。
I believe fellow Members would understand my stance . If we put forward some rather old - fashioned arguments that is the so - called consideration taking into account the long - term interests of Hong Kong the Ordinance is the only piece of specific legislation stipulating provisions on how to protect our only remaining public resources taking into account the long - term interests of Hong Kong
事實上，這項法案是由時任議員陸恭蕙提出的私人草案，當然，我要強調這不等於我一定支持當時的做法，因為這亦只是一個在中英角力下的結果。
As a matter of fact it was a private bill proposed by the then Member Ms Christine LOH . Certainly I must emphasize that it does not imply that I would definitely support what was done at that time because it was merely the outcome of the tug - of - war between China and Britain