Borrison/hk-legicost huggingface dataset:
其實跟香港政府說人權真的有點浪費力氣。
In fact it is quite a waste of effort to speak about human rights with the Hong Kong Government
聯合國《世界人權宣言》指出，人人有權享受維持他本人和家屬的健康和福利所需的生活水準，包括衣物、食物、住房、醫療和必要的社會服務。
As stated in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights of the United Nations everyone has the right to a standard of living adequate for the health and well - being of himself and his family including food clothing housing and medical care and necessary social services
罕見病患者理應獲得接受醫療的權利，管治者沒有理由讓他們因為財政能力不足而受疾病煎熬。
Patients suffering from rare diseases should be entitled to medical treatment and there is simply no reason for the governor to let them fall prey to illness because of the lack of financial means
代理主席，多位同事都提到去年3月罕見疾病脊髓肌肉萎縮症患者周佩珊向特首陳情的例子，但我想說，我們不應只多謝林鄭月娥，反而應問她為何如此被動，反應如此遲緩。
Deputy President a number of Members have cited the example of Josy CHOW a patient suffering from the rare disease of spinal muscular atrophy who petitioned the Chief Executive in March last year . My point however is that we should not only thank Carrie LAM but also ask her why the Government is so passive and responds so slowly
代理主席，我的發言時間所餘不多，我最後想說的是，我支持張超雄議員的議案及所有修正案，因為我覺得這是關於人的價值和經濟價值的討論。
Deputy President as I do not have much speaking time left I wish to conclude by saying that I support Dr Fernando CHEUNGs motion and all the amendments because I think it is an argument between the value of a person and economic value
我支持人的價值高於經濟效益和經濟盤算。
I am a supporter of the belief that the value of a person surpasses economic benefits and economic considerations
我希望議案獲得通過，並且，政府立即推行相關政策，讓池女士在天之靈得到安息。
I hope that the motion will be carried and the Government will roll out relevant policies at once . In this way Ms CHI can rest in eternal peace in heaven
主席，感謝謝偉銓議員及各位議員就"創造機遇扶助中小型企業及促進青年人向上流動"提出議案及修正案，令立法會有機會討論香港青年人現時面對的問題。
President I thank Mr Tony TSE for moving the motion on Creating opportunities to assist small and medium enterprises and promoting upward mobility of young people and other Members for their amendments as they give this Council an opportunity to discuss the problems now facing the youths in Hong Kong
其實我覺得今天討論的議案是有點古怪，因為立法會很多時候討論扶助中小型企業與青年人社會流動往往是兩個分開討論的議題。
The motion today is indeed a bit odd to me because the assistance to small and medium enterprises SMEs and the social mobility of young people are usually considered as two separate subjects in our Councils discussion
但是，謝偉銓議員將兩項議題放在一起討論，促使我思考：第一，究竟扶助中小企是否就能促進青年人向上流動？
Mr Tony TSE however put them under the same motion . It makes me wonder Firstly can upward mobility of young people be promoted by assisting SMEs?
兩者是否相關？
Are these two subjects related?
協助中小企是否等於協助年輕人？
Is assisting SMEs tantamount to assisting young people?
第二，青年人是否希望向上流動？
Secondly do young people wish to move upward?
他們希望怎樣的向上流動？
In what ways do they want to move upward?
再概念化一點，他們是希望收入增加？教育機會增加？還是職業上流變動？
Conceptually speaking do they want to have more income more education opportunities or better jobs?
還是只希望"上樓"有一個可負擔的居住空間？
Or do they simply wish to own an affordable home?
先處理第一個問題。
Let us start with the first question
對於扶助中小企是否就能促進青年人向上流動，恕我找不到兩者相關的關係。
Can upward mobility of young people be promoted by assisting SMEs? . With due respect I cannot see the relation between the two
不過，特區政府對於發展香港經濟多年來不遺餘力，由回歸以來的數碼港、中藥港，到SARS後開放自由行，之後再提出八大產業，近年則不斷透過大型基建推動中港融合，現在則不斷提粵港澳大灣區。
However the SAR Government has spared no efforts to develop Hong Kongs economy over the years . After the return of Hong Kong the Government promoted the development of the Cyberport and Chinese medicine port; after SARS it introduced the Individual Visit Scheme and promoted the development of the eight major industries; in recent years it has continued to promote the integration of Hong Kong with the Mainland by launching mega infrastructure projects; and lately it keeps talking about the development of the Guangdong - Hong Kong - Macao Greater Bay Area
再者，香港的利得稅較其他國家及地區稅率低，林鄭月娥政府上任後更減稅，再加上每年的退稅安排、各項貸款及基金優惠。
Besides while the profits tax rate of Hong Kong was already lower than that in other countries and places Carrie LAMs Government has cut it further after coming into office . In addition tax rebates loans and funds are available year after year
這些基建及措施，令香港經濟不斷發展，1997年的人均生產總值為21萬元，20年後的今天已達36萬元。
With all these infrastructure projects and measures Hong Kongs economy keeps growing . Our Gross Domestic Product per capita increased from 210,000 in 1997 to the present 360,000 in two decades
香港中文大學香港亞太研究所2013年的研究發現，多於六成的受訪者認為，現時香港社會向上流動的機會較10年前差，感到現時社會向上流動機會不足的亦有約五成半，其中尤以年輕、具大專學歷、並且來自基層的男性群體為甚。
According to a survey conducted by the Hong Kong Institute of Asia - Pacific Studies of The Chinese University of Hong Kong in 2013 more than 60 % of respondents considered the chance of upward mobility in Hong Kong was worsened than that of 10 years ago; and about 55 % of respondents particularly young male with tertiary academic qualification from the grass - roots stratum did not think there was sufficient upward mobility in society
立法會資料研究組亦曾進行一項有關香港的社會流動的研究，研究指"在1991至2011年期間，15至24歲在職青年的就業情況與整體工作人口相若，但他們較集中於擔任輔助專業人員的職位。
The Research Office of the Legislative Council once researched into the social mobility in Hong Kong . According to this research Employed youths aged 15 - 24 exhibited a broadly similar job picture during 1991 - 2011 albeit being more concentrated in associate professional jobs
另一值得關注的發展，是該等青年從事工資較低的服務及銷售工作的比例逐步上升，由1991年的21%增加至2011年的34%。
Another noteworthy trend was increased share of them working as lower - wage service and sales workers from 21 % in 1991 to 34 % in 2011
最近的一項研究亦發 現類似的職業向下流動情況，在2001至2011年期間，更多具有學位教育程度的15至29歲青年從事文員及服務/銷售工作。
A similar downward occupational mobility was observed from a recent study showing that youths aged 15 - 29 with degree education were increasingly driven to clerical and servicesales jobs during 2001 - 2011
上述的就業情況未必與現今年青一代的期望相稱，尤其是他們經歷較富裕的生活環境和接受較高的教育水平後，對事業和人生的期望難免相對提高"。
The above development may not commensurate with the aspirations of todays young generation particularly better - off environment and higher educational attainment have heightened their expectations for career and life
可惜，現實卻是殘酷的，青年人對事業和人生的期望提高，但他們的現實生活質素卻是無法提升。
Unfortunately the reality is cruel . While young people have higher expectations for their career and life they are unable to live a better life in reality
政治上，青年人覺得香港沒有希望；經濟上，香港貧富懸殊、分配不均，企業壟斷、多年來實行高地價政策，這些核心的結構問題一天不改變，青年人只會繼續面對很大的向上流動的困難。
Politically young people do not see any hopes for Hong Kong . Economically Hong Kong is plagued by the wide wealth gap inequality in distribution monopolization by some enterprises and the long - existing high land price policy . So long as no improvements are made to solve these core structural problems young people will continue to face huge difficulty in moving upward
智經研究中心指向上流動的主要阻力有3個：第一，在2001年至2011年間，中層經理級與專業僱員薪金指數的平均升幅全被物價上升抵銷，令他們難有餘錢作儲蓄及提升生活質素。
According to the Bauhinia Foundation Research Centre there are three major obstacles for moving upward . Firstly inflation ate up the average pay rise of mid - level managers and professionals between 2001 and 2011 leaving them with little money to save up or improve their quality of life
第二，償還專上學生貸款的壓力，尤其是對於剛畢業、收入不高的青年。
Secondly young people particularly the low - paid fresh graduates are under great pressure to repay their post - secondary education loans
副學位畢業生每月須償還的貸款金額，佔收入約一成，令他們要延遲甚或難以實現事業和人生計劃。
As sub - degree graduates have to spare about 10 % of their monthly income for loan repayment they may have to delay or even drop their career plan or life plan
第三，日益昂貴的住屋支出。
The third obstacle is the rising housing expenditure
工作人口收入的升幅未能追上樓價，以致與20多年前相比，青年工作人口須更長時間儲蓄首期。
As the income of working population has failed to catch up with property prices it now takes a longer time for young people to save for a down payment than 20 years ago
我認為這3點都不無道理，但正如我所說，核心結構問題一天不改變，這3個阻力只會繼續存在。
I think these views are reasonable but as I said so long as no improvements are made to solve the core structural problems the three obstacles will continue to exist
上述的分析已部分回答了我的第二個問題，但我必須補充，青年人是否都希望能向上流動？
The analysis above has partly answered my second question . But is it true that all young people wish to move upward? . This is a question that I must ask
對於在物質主義下成長的青年人，向上流動或許毫不吸引。
To the youths who grew up under materialism moving upward may not be that attractive
他們可能反而是"後物質主義"的新世代，追求"衣食足"之後的"知榮辱"，追求更高層次丶有別於主流經濟學的價值。
As they are well fed and well clad they are likely to be the post - materialism generation who pursue higher values rather than the mainstream economic values . President this phenomenon is not unique to Hong Kong
主席，這不僅是香港的現象，世界上很多社會也有這種趨勢，追求"我的生活小革命"，"我的生活小確幸"，一種顛覆主流、永續生活的主題，希望在日常生活中由我做起，建構一種新的在地價值。
Around the world there are people looking for little revolution and small bliss in life . This is an attitude which subverts the mainstream and upholds sustainability . These people are willing to be the first to make changes in daily life so as to establish new values with their feet on the ground
不同地方也有這些小革命正在進行，年輕人的其中一個共通點，是他們希望自己不再生活在虛妄當中，這可能便是他們所追求的向上流動或向心流動。
These little revolutions are ongoing in different places but there is one thing in common among the participating youths that is they do not want to live in vanity anymore . This may probably be the upward mobility or inward mobility they are pursuing
不過，若仔細閱讀原議案的措辭，便會發覺謝議員其實是希望政府可以幫助本地的中小企及年青人北上到粵港澳大灣區發展。
However after reading the wordings of the original motion carefully we find that Mr TSE actually hopes that the Government would help local SMEs and young people to go north to pursue development in the Guangdong - Hong Kong - Macao Greater Bay Area
客觀而言，北望神州本來並非問題，而實際上亦有很多珠玉在前的成功例子，但令我擔憂的是政府積極把我們的中小企、年青人送到內地之後，香港還剩下甚麼？
Objectively speaking there is nothing wrong to go north to look for opportunities and there are actually many successful precedents . My fear is that after the Government has proactively sent our SMEs and young people to the Mainland what will be left behind in Hong Kong?
我有一個疑問，政府不是一直推動各種專才計劃，希望引入世界各地人才來港大展拳腳的嗎？
I have a question in mind . Has the Government not all along been promoting various professionals schemes in the hope of attracting talents from all over the world to come to Hong Kong to give play to their strengths and talent?
但怎麼近年來，大家都把人才向外推？
How come we have been driving our talents away in recent years?
着年青人到內地生活，甚至到"一帶一路"的沿線國家尋找機遇，香港是否人才過剩，還是大灣區、"一帶一路"的所有均比香港更優勝？
In asking young people to live on the Mainland and even to look for opportunities in countries along Belt and Road does it imply that there is an excess supply of talents in Hong Kong or that the Greater Bay Area and countries along the Belt and Road are better than Hong Kong in all respects?
我們既然能自家培養人才，政府又何必多此一舉、大費周章，慫恿我們的人才向外闖，同時又吸引外地人來填補現時這個原本並無人才空缺的地方？
If we can nurture talents on our own why should the Government make such a fuss and go to all this trouble to encourage our talents to look for opportunities outside Hong Kong but at the same time attract foreigners to take up posts where there should be no lack of talents?
我希望特區政府的官員好好思考其中一點：香港作為國際都會，究竟應該視全世界為競爭對手，還是甘心降格成為大灣區發展的副手，或"人才孵化器"？
I hope that officials of the SAR Government will seriously consider one point Should Hong Kong as an international metropolis view the entire world as our competitors or is it willing to be downgraded to play a supplementary role or to be the talent incubator in the development of the Greater Bay Area?
把所有人才、資源、視野均放在大灣區，以大灣區某城市的姿態示人，而不是以香港的姿態示人，這是否特區政府想達致的目的？
By putting all the talents resources and visions in the Greater Bay Area does the SAR Government want to present Hong Kong as a city in the Greater Bay Area instead of as a place with its independent identity?
話說回來，主席，即使我們確是人才泛濫，但今時今日的香港是否一個適合發展的地方？
That said President even if we really have an excess supply of talents is Hong Kong a suitable place for development nowadays?
答案是肯定的話，那為何依然有很多人向我 們尋求協助，投訴政府的制度太守舊、政策不清不楚、在香港難以發展？
If the answer is in the affirmative how come so many people have still sought help from us complaining about the conservative government regime the unclear policies and the difficulties encountered in pursuing development in Hong Kong?
他們面對的問題，由聘請員工的支援、政府的採購政策、甚至緊隨政府政策發展電競事業但誤墮法網的情況，投訴可說是多不勝數。
Problems encountered by them range from support for staff recruitment the Governments procurement policy and cases of inadvertent breaches of the law by developing e - sports closely following government policies . Complaints are just too numerous
我以創科業為例，談談在香港向上流動的困難。
Let me take the innovation and technology IT sector as an example to discuss the difficulties encountered in upward mobility in Hong Kong
本屆政府上任後大力推動創科，更提過要以"史無前例的力度投入創科"，斥資3億元支援創科和電競發展。
The current - term Government has vigorously promoted IT after it took office and even vowed to put unprecedented efforts in investing in IT by allocating 300 million to support the development of IT and e - sports
我們不妨看看，究竟政府是以"史無前例的力度投入創科"，還是以"史無前例的力度打擊創科"。
Let us see whether the Government has put unprecedented efforts in investing in IT or put unprecedented efforts in combating IT
早前有人跟隨政府的步伐發展創科，於工業大廈開設電競發展中心，結果因為未有向機電工程署申請電競椅的牌照，被控無牌經營；不要緊，創辦人再接再厲，申請網吧牌照，但仍被控無牌經營；再不要緊，他轉移申請會所牌照，民政事務總署又說不適合，折騰一番後，仍然沒有一個牌照讓他們合法經營。
Earlier on a person followed the footsteps of the Government to develop IT by setting up an e - sports development centre in an industrial building but as he had not applied to the Electrical and Mechanical Services Department for a licence for the gaming chairs he was prosecuted for operation without a licence . That is fine . The operator then applied for a licence for Internet café but was again prosecuted for operation without a licence
不談電競發展中心，我們來談談電競館。
Let us not talk about the e - sports development center but discuss the e - sports venues
顧名思義，電競館是舉辦電競比賽的地方，並開放讓現場觀眾觀賞，提高大眾對電競的認識和興趣，主席，結果如何？
As the name implies e - sports venues are places for organizing e - sports tournaments which are open to attendance to enhance peoples understanding of and interest in e - sports . President what is the result?
可想而知，這個公眾娛樂場所牌照的門檻之高，申請之難。
From this example we can see the high threshold and the difficulty for getting a licence for places of public entertainment
政府說要以"史無前例的力度投入創科"，實質則是指引不清晰，前線部門未能將政府總部的政策體現出來。
The Government has vowed to put unprecedented efforts in investing in IT but the reality is that the guidelines are unclear and frontline departments have failed to embody the policy formulated by the Government Secretariat
我曾經在資訊科技及廣播事務委員會上向政府提問，可否統一處理電競牌照的申請，政府當時的回覆是只能提供指引，不能一站式申請，我相信政府官員非常清楚，電競有很大的變化空間，目前不能斷言申請某幾種牌照便能開門營業，既然如此，政府提供的指引又是否有實際效用？
I once asked the Government at the meeting of the Panel on Information Technology and Broadcasting whether it could centrally handle applications for e - sports . The response of the Government at that time was that it could only provide guideline but not provide one - stop service for application . I believe government officials are well aware that e - sports has considerable room for changes and at present no one can say for sure what kind of licences are required for the operation of e - sport venues
創辦人需要自行判斷其場所屬於哪種營運模式，從而申請一大堆牌照，還要冒着被控無牌經營的風險。
In that case what is the practical purpose of providing government guidelines? . The operator needs to first determine on his own the mode of operation of his premise and then apply for different licences but he may still run the risk of unauthorized operation
這些政策能否真正幫助中小企、真正促進有心的年青人向上流動？
Can these policies genuinely help SMEs and genuinely promote upward mobility of the conscientious young people?
既然在香港如此難以發展，謝議員的議案提到要幫助中小企和年青人到大灣區發展，這樣不是很合情合理嗎？
Given the difficulty to pursue development in Hong Kong is it not reasonable for Mr TSE to propose in his motion to help SMEs and young people to go to the Greater Bay Area for development?
一個政府，一個由人民授權管治這個地方的政府，這樣做不來，那樣也做 不好，卻把年青人送到其他地方，還美其名是幫助他們發展、向上流動，我相信這是極不負責任的管治思維。
If a government mandated by the people to govern this place is unable to do this and that but instead sends young people to other places on a fine - sounding reason of assisting their development and upward mobility I consider such governance mentality extremely irresponsible
既然有這麼多聲音和實例指出，政府在扶助中小企和年青人有所不足時，政府所應做的當然是解決問題、面壁思過，而不是將我們的年青人和問題像掃進地毯底一樣掃去大灣區，便當是解決了問題。
Since so many voices and concrete examples have pointed out that the Government is deficient in assisting SMEs and young people it certainly should address the problem and reflect on its mistakes . But instead it proposes to send our young people to the Greater Bay Area just like sweeping the problems under the carpet and assumes that the problem is resolved
何況，真正的人才並不需要政府教他往哪處去，真正的人才自然有能力放眼四方、放眼世界。
As a matter of fact genuine talents do not need any government advice on their whereabouts . Genuine talents would surely aim further and set their eyes on the whole world
另外，政府也需要正視何謂"以人為本"，政府在推行政策時，有否真正以用家的角度思考問題？
Furthermore the Government should also look squarely at the meaning of people - oriented . Has the Government really considered from the perspective of the users when implementing its policies?
設下重重關卡，經重重篩選剩下來的自然是精英，有潛質的人自然會離開香港，外國創業者和投資者想到香港發展，政府的政策也是重要的考慮因素，但面對如此重重關卡，他們最終只會望香港而卻步。
Those who can overcome the numerous obstacles imposed must be elites . While people with potentials would naturally leave Hong Kong foreign entrepreneurs and investors who intend to develop in Hong Kong would take the government policies into serious consideration . Given the numerous obstacles they would eventually hold up their plans
主席，最後我寄語政府和各位支持原議案的議員：香港的世界從來都很大，比大灣區大很多很多。
President last of all I would like to tender a piece of advice to the Government and Members who support the original motion The world of Hong Kong has always been very big and is much larger than that of the Greater Bay Area
所以，我代表公民黨反對謝偉銓議員的議案。
Therefore on behalf of the Civic Party I oppose Mr Tony TSEs motion
代理主席，我要多謝謝偉銓議員今天動議這項"創造機遇扶助中小型企業及促進青年人向上流動"議案。
Deputy President I have to thank Mr Tony TSE for moving this motion on Creating opportunities to assist small and medium enterprises SMEs and promoting upward mobility of young people today
當然，局長剛才亦表示，政府也有一項"三業三政"的政策，即使名稱有別，但內容大同小異。
Of course as the Secretary said just now the Government has also introduced a policy to address young peoples concerns about education career pursuit home ownership public policy discussion and debate and participation in politics . Although the name may be different the content is more or less the same
我想舉出兩個例子，因為我最近與兩名創業的青年人談話，從中得悉他們對政府在這方面所提供的協助的看法。
I would like to cite two examples because from my recent conversation with two young people who have started their own business I realized how they looked at the assistance provided by the Government in this respect
現時政府支援青年人創業的工作，主要集中在創業階段，而創業階段確有一些問題存在，例如創業遇到的第一問題可能是資金不足。
At present governments support for young people to start business mainly focuses on the early stage of business start - up . At this stage there are bound to be problems . For example the first problem encountered may be insufficient fund
但是，有些青年人並不想投入這些新經濟產業，而是想從事一些舊經濟產業，例如開設咖啡室或賣珍珠奶茶，這些也算是創業。
However some young people may not want to join these new economic sectors but would like to develop in the old economic industries such as operating a café or selling bubble tea which is also a start - up business
從事I & T或商貿的青年人可能會較易用到，但對於我剛才所說從事舊經濟產業的年青人，試問他們如何能夠擁有自己的地方？
Young people engaging in IT or trade and commerce will more likely use shared office but how about those engaging in the old economic industries just mentioned by me how can they have their own offices?
事實上，共享辦公室對於他們的幫助也不是很大。
As a matter of fact shared office is not very helpful to them either
我希望藉着討論這項議案，提出這兩位青年人所面對的困難讓政府知道，並提供協助。
I hope that the discussion of this motion can draw the Governments attention to the difficulties faced by those two young people and then provide the necessary assistance
但自從鉛水風波後，持牌水喉匠所承受的壓力大增。
This has been the practice over the past decades . However the pressure on licensed plumbers has increased drastically since the lead - in - water incident
因為只有3,000人從事有關工作，肯定人手不足，需要很多其他工人幫忙。
With only 3 000 people in the trade which is obviously insufficient other workers are needed to fill the gap
當然，這問題出現後，政府加強監管實屬合情合理，所以，我們一定支持今次的《條例草案》。
Of course in response to the problem it is reasonable for the Government to enhance monitoring . In this case we will certainly support the Bill
現行《水務設施條例》訂明，指明水管工程可由持牌水喉匠或水務監督授權的公職人員進行。
The existing Waterworks Ordinance stipulates that specified plumbing works can be carried out by a licensed plumber or a public officer authorized by the Water Authority
今次的《條例草案》修訂是，容許水管工程由註冊水喉技工、註冊水喉技工及其他人士在持牌水喉匠或註冊水喉技工的指示和督導下進行水管工程。
The present amendments to the Bill propose that plumbing works can be carried out by a registered plumbing worker registered plumbing worker provisional and other persons under the instruction and supervision of an licensed plumber or a registered plumbing worker
正如我剛才所說，過去數十年，持牌水喉匠人手有限，即使水務署的人手也可能十分有限。
As I have just said there was only a limited number of licensed plumbers over the past few decades . Perhaps the Water Supplies Department WSD is itself understaffed too
事實上，整個行業一直需要其他行業的工人協助進行水務工程。
In fact the entire trade has relied on assistance from workers of other trades to carry out plumbing works
政府現時修訂這些條文，增加了水務設施行業的勞動力，而且加強監管，其實是有助於食水安全。
The Governments amendments are in fact conducive to drinking water safety as they will effectively increase the manpower of the waterworks trade and strengthen monitoring
水務署真的可能是很優秀的部門，過去數十年，香港人口大量增加，但水務署的人手卻不升反跌，由SARS時期6,000多人，下跌至現時4,000多人。
WSD is probably a really great department . Although Hong Kongs population has increased substantially over the last few decades the number of staff in WSD has instead decreased from over 6 000 people during the SARS epidemic to around 4 000 today
我們最近與水務署同事溝通，其實署內也有青黃不接的情況，人手不足的情況亦同樣出現。
While we communicated with the WSD staff recently we have learnt that they are faced with a succession problem as well as a problem of manpower shortage
我可能稍微偏離議題，簡單而言，在地區內，管理水務的資深人員俗稱"水王"，但他們在水務署內也越來越少，更何況在外界，資深水務工程人員就更少。
I may stray from the topic a little bit but simply speaking there are less and less experienced staff in WSD which are generally referred to as plumbing masters in the community . So we can imagine that there are even less experienced plumbing practitioners outside WSD
然而，如果現在連水務署內也沒有足夠的資深人員，更難說得通要如何監管行內人士進行私人工程。
However now if we do not even have sufficient staff with experience in WSD it is just impractical to expect them to oversee the private works done in the sector
其實在私人市場內，我們不斷與建造業工會和喉管工會溝通，工會對於《條例草案》新訂條文的違規刑責，感到十分擔心，因為有很多物料，未必在他們控制範圍內，而這些物料是由承建商所指定，或由他們提供予工人。
In relation to the private sector actually we have been in close contact with trade unions in the construction sector and the plumbing sector . The unions are concerned about the proposed new sections in the Bill relating to criminal sanctions . Indeed the choices of materials are out of their control as the materials are specified or provided by contractors
所以，他們只是依照老闆的工程行事，如果這樣，工人都要受罰，便會十分無辜。
Simply following their bosses orders workers are in fact innocent if penalized in this respect
工聯會麥美娟議員在法案委員會中，曾多次向政府反映工會的意見，經過多次商討，政府最後提出修正案，加入只要不是"明知故犯"，便不會被檢控。
Ms Alice MAK from FTU repeatedly relayed trade unions opinions to the Government . After various rounds of deliberation the Government at last proposed an amendment that as long as the offence was not committed intentionally workers will not be prosecuted
工人只會被證實"明知故犯"後，才會觸犯罪行，而有關舉證責任最後在局方，工人無須引用免責條文自行辯解。
So workers will only be prosecuted when proven to have committed the offence intentionally and the burden of proof should fall on the Bureau removing the need for workers to invoke the defence provision for self - defence
政府要多作宣傳，才能令更多人入行。
The Government should strengthen publicity to encourage more people to enter the sector
我知道署長其實也在進行這些工作，希望局長能向署長提供更大助力，令香港的水務工作得以繼續發展。
I know that the Director is actually working on this too so I hope the Secretary can strengthen support to the Director for the tasks of sustaining the development of Hong Kongs plumbing sector
依我之見，政府也要就此向市民大眾解釋。
In my opinion the Government has to illustrate this publicly
原來水喉匠的牌照是更難考取。
It turns out that getting a plumber licence is even more challenging
我們明白考牌要求高，是保障市民安全的第一步。
I understand the high threshold of a licence is the first step to protect drinking water safety for the people
但是，政府不能因為工人不足而不作為。
However the Government cannot adopt a laissez - faire approach simply because there are not enough workers