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瘋狂點算會議法定人數便可以近乎癱瘓立法機關，三數位議員合力便足以拖垮一項法案。
A large number of quorum calls can paralyse this legislature and a few Members together can topple a bill
上年度財務委員會的"拉布"者便坦言是因為有議員在宣誓風波中被取消資格令他們不快而"拉布"，於是便隨意、不顧後果地把教育撥 款、屯門醫院手術室擴建等民生項目作為"拉布"犧牲的對象，差點未能通過。
Those who filibustered in the Finance Committee meetings in the last session frankly said that they filibustered because they were upset about Members being disqualified in the oath - taking incident . They thus readily resorted to filibusters having no regard of the consequence . Funding proposals for education purposes and for the extension of the operating theatre block of Tuen Mun Hospital were sacrificed and almost toppled for filibustering
事實上，立法會少數派長期"政治挾持"整個立法機關，他們以"少數人獨裁"的手法，任意罔顧大多數人的利益，拖住香港發展向前走的後腿，整體社會累積的不滿已到達臨界點。
In fact the entire legislature has been politically hijacked by the minority Members in this Council . They irresponsibly disregard the interests of the majority using various tactics characterizing dictatorship of the minority dragging down the progress of Hong Kong . Resentment in society has reached a critical point
廖長江議員，你是否想澄清？
Mr Martin LIAO do you wish to clarify?
主席，我不會澄清，我會繼續發言。
President I will not clarify . I will continue with my speech
為了順應民意，為了我們的未來，為了社會的整體利益，為了香港的氣數，主席，今天建制派是下了最大的決心，要促使立法會走出這個困局。
President for the sake of responding to public notions of our future of the overall interest of society and of the vitality of Hong Kong today the pro - establishment camp has decided with greatest resolution to lead the Legislative Council out of this predicament
主席，要扶助目前禮崩樂壞的議會重回正軌，首先必須重整禮樂，促使《議事規則》與時並進，把濫用《議事規則》的情況控制在不會傷害香港整體利益的範圍內，令議會的運作回復比較暢順的情況，這亦是廣大市民不分階層、不分界別的期望。
President the decorum of this Council is now in tatters; to put it back on the right track we must first restore the decorum and keep the Rules of Procedure up - to - date; we must reduce the abuse of the Rules of Procedure to a level that will not harm the overall interests of Hong Kong and restore the operation of this Council to a relatively smooth stage . This is the expectation of people from different echelons and backgrounds
以下我謹就本決議案載列的修訂建議作出扼要說明，我相信其他建制派議員會善用時間繼續闡述修訂建議的內容。
Here below I will highlight the proposed amendments set out in this resolution . I believe other Members from the pro - establishment camp will make good use of the time to further explain the content of the proposed amendments
主席，這項決議案共有24項對《議事規則》的修訂建議，得到最少38名建制派議員的共同支持，每項修訂都是在考慮了《基本法》和其他法理、外國議會的有關規則、立法會社會責任和憲制責任的情況下，經過深思熟慮及信納理據充分才提出的，目的是在議員議事論事的權利和立法會有效行使憲制職權及履行社會責任之間取得一個 合理和適當的平衡。
President this resolution jointly supported by at least 38 pro - establishment Members contains 24 proposed amendments to the Rules of Procedure . In drafting each amendment thorough consideration has been given to the Basic Law and other principles of law relevant practices of Councils in other countries and social and constitutional responsibilities of the Legislative Council; and each amendment is only proposed after making sure that it is well justified . The amendments seek to strike an appropriate balance between Members and their right to expression in this Council and the Legislative Council and the effective exercise of its constitutional powers and functions and the discharge of its social responsibilities
為確保立法會議員選舉立法會主席這項重要的責任能夠順利完成，我們建議由立法會秘書在立法會正式會議以外的環境下協助議員進行選舉。
And in order to ensure the smooth discharge of Members important duty to elect the President of the Legislative Council we propose that the Clerk to the Legislative Council is to assist Members in conducting the election on occasions other than formal meetings of the Council
主席，濫用程序的常見招數之一，是提出排山倒海、數以千計甚至萬計的修正案。
President another common procedural abuse is to propose a multitude or thousands or even tens of thousands of amendments
參考外國經驗，英國和加拿大等地的《議事規則》早已作出修訂，讓主席有選擇修正案的權力。
With reference to overseas experiences such as those of the United Kingdom and Canada their Rules of Procedure were amended long ago to give their President the power to select amendments
就此，我們建議確立立法會主席選擇及合併修正案的酌情權，讓他可以要求擬提出議案或修正案的議員解釋有關的主題，並且據此作出考慮和裁決，在眾多旨在達到相同目的擬議議案及修正案中，挑選更有效和草擬較佳的讓立法會議員考慮，並有權指示合併提案；如果提案者多於1名議員，立法會主席亦可以指定提案議員。
In this connection we propose that the President of the Legislative Council be given the discretion to select and combine amendments so that when he considers or rules on a motion or amendment he can request the proposing Member to explain the subject matter of his motion or amendment and select more effectively and better drafted ones from the multitude of cognate motions and amendments for consideration by Members . We also propose that the President be given the power to direct motions or amendments to be combined; and in the event that there are more than one Member proposing the motions or amendments to be combined the President may designate which Member to propose them
此外，同時賦權立法會主席及全體委員會主席將他認為瑣屑無聊或沒有意義的系列式修正案......
Moreover regarding frivolous or meaningless amendments that are in a series we propose that the President or the Chairman of the committee of the whole Council may
對於瑣屑無聊或沒有意義的系列式修正案，立法會主席和全體委員會主席是有權予以不可動議。
Regarding frivolous or meaningless amendments that are in a series the President or the Chairman of the committee of the whole Council may order them not to be moved
此外，點算會議法定人數的程序亦被濫用成災。
Moreover quorum calls have also been abused
為了紓緩這個問題，我們建議撥亂反正，將全體委員會與立法會大會的會議法定人數分開處理，並把前者的人數訂為20人。
To address this problem we suggest to set things right and that separate arrangements be adopted for meetings of the committee of the whole Council and meetings of this Council with the quorum for the former be set at 20 Members
主席，為何說是撥亂反正呢？
President why do I say that we are setting things right?
因為這兩種會議雖然在同一地點進行，其實兩者的性質不同、職能不同、層次不同，運作也不同。
It is because the two are of different natures of different powers and functions and of different levels and operation modes despite the fact that they are held in the same venue
《基本法》只是對立法會大會會議的法定人數有規定，現行《議事規則》將兩者的法定人數同樣訂為不少於全體議員的二分之一，實在是立法機關自己的決定，而並非《基本法》的要求。
The Basic Law only provides for the quorum for Legislative Council meetings . The Rules of Procedure sets the same quorum for meetings of the Legislative Council and those of the Committee of the whole Council; in other words no less than one half of all its Members should be present . This is a decision made by the legislature not a request of the Basic Law
所以，我們的建議並不違反《基本法》。
Hence our proposal does not violate the Basic Law
事實上，在1997年回歸前，立法局大會和全體委員會的法定人數也曾出現不一致的情況。
In fact there was a time before the reunification in 1997 when different numbers of Members were adopted as the quorum for Council meetings and for the meetings of the Committee of the whole Council
大家的研究所得更充分印證，全體委員會是負責承接大會交付過來、已經通過二讀法案的具體審議工作，再向大會報告審議結果；按職能而言，它並非大會的一部分。
Our research proves that the Committee of the whole Council is tasked with the duty to scrutinize in detail bills handed over from Council meetings which have gone through Second Reading and then report to the Council again the result of the scrutiny . In respect of functions it is not part of the Council meeting
據此，我們參考過內務委員會和財務委員會的會議法定人數後，建議全體委員會與人數要求較高的內務委員會看齊。
On this basis we studied the quorums for meetings of the House Committee and the Finance Committee; and we propose that the quorum for the meetings of the Committee of the whole Council be consistent with that for House Committee which has a higher threshold
此外，為了方便適時處理因法定人數不足而休會待續的後續事宜，我們建議賦權立法會主席可以在下次會議前，指明在任何時間或任何一天復會來繼續處理休會待續前未能完成的議程，讓立法會不需要因為流會而浪費時間。
Moreover in order to handle in good time the outstanding business on the Agenda after the Council has been adjourned due to a lack of quorum we propose that the President of the Legislative Council be empowered to order a Council meeting to be resumed for the continuation of the unfinished business on the Agenda at any hour or on any day before the next meeting so that time will not be wasted due to termination of Council meeting
這個相信亦切合廣大市民的期盼。
I believe this also meets the expectation of the general public
主席，《議事規則》另一個亟需要與時並進的範疇，就是我們古老的呈請書制度。
President another aspect of the Rules of Procedure which desperately needs to be updated is our age - old system of petition
香港立法會呈請書制度是以遠至159年前的英國西敏寺傳統為藍本，但連英國議會本身都已經廢除了這個制度，現時英國制度的呈請書是由公眾提出的。
The petition system of the Hong Kong Legislative Council follows the Westminster tradition in the United Kingdom dated back to 159 years ago . Yet even the Parliament of the United Kingdom has repealed this system and petitions are now submitted by their members of the public
即使香港仍然想保留這項源自19世紀的制度，最低限度應該因應現實條件轉變，對呈請書制度作出應做而未做的修訂。
For the part of Hong Kong even if we want to preserve this nineteenth century system we should at least amend it but we have not done so with reference to the practical conditions changed
首先，應該按照立法會大會法定人數的增加，相應增加起立啟動呈請書交付委員會處理的人數要求，以貫徹 1997年前兩者人數一致的傳統做法。
First of all in relation to the increased quorum for a Legislative Council meeting we should correspondingly increase the required number of Members who rise in support of a petition to be referred to House Committee so as to tally with the practice before 1997 where the two numbers were the consistent with each other
其次是既然現時立法會委員會制度發展成熟，專責委員會已非交付呈請書唯一的一種委員會，應該轉為將呈請書交由議會集體辯論及考慮是否就有關事宜成立專責委員會。
Moreover given the matured development of the committee system in the Legislative Council a select committee is no longer the only type of committee where a petition is referred to . We should refer the petition to this Council for collective debate and consideration as to whether a select committee should be appointed to handle the matter raised in the petition
故此，我們建議如果有35名議員在會議上起立提交呈請書，該呈請書即交付內務委員會處理；若內務委員會決定委任專責委員會處理呈請書內事宜，內務委員會主席會在立法會動議議案作決定。
Hence we propose that if 35 Members rise in support of a petition at a Council meeting the petition shall immediately be referred to House Committee; and if House Committee concludes that a select committee be appointed to handle the matter raised in the petition the chairman of the House Committee shall move a motion in the Council to decide the manner of consideration of the petition
主席，現時一些無經預告便可提出的議案亦經常被濫用，例如中止待續議案及縮短點名表決鐘聲鳴響時間的議案，但其實這類程序性議案欠缺實質議題，在不少外國的議會是不設辯論的，例如加拿大、英國、澳洲、新西蘭都是。
President at present motions moved without notice are frequently abused such as adjournment motions and motions to shorten the ringing of the division bell . These procedural motions lack a specific subject matter . Councils in many countries do not provide any time on debating these motions such is the case of Canada the United Kingdom Australia and New Zealand
但是，我們立法會的《議事規則》卻容許將這類程序議案當作是一項實質議案來辯論，結果製造了機會讓"拉布"議員無話找話說，徒然拖延議會流程。
But the Rules of Procedure of this Council treats procedural motions as motions with specific subject matters and allows debates to be conducted on these motions . This creates opportunities for filibustering Members to stall Council proceedings with aimless speeches
故此，我們建議讓這兩種議案可以無經辯論便付諸表決，而中止待續議案如果全體委員會主席認為是濫用程序，便可以決定不提出待決議題。
We thus propose that the question on these two types of motions can be put to vote without debate; and for adjournment motions if the Chairman of the Committee of the whole Council is of the opinion that moving such a motion is an abuse of procedure he may decide not to put the question to vote
至於另外一些容許無經預告便可提出的議案，本來應該是在非常時期及有需要的情況下才提出，包括動議不須將一項法案或發回重議的法案交付內務委員會，或動議新聞界及公眾人士離場等。
Regarding other motions that can be moved without notice they should be propose only at very unusual times or out of necessity . These include the motion that a bill or the bill returned for reconsideration be not referred to House Committee and the motion to request members of the press and of the public to withdraw
但是，最近的事例證明，有議員為求"拉布"，會不惜將新聞自由當籌碼玩弄，提出相關議案。
However recent examples prove that some Members will filibuster at any cost and will even sacrifice freedom of the press to move the relevant motion
就此，我們建議為提出這類議案加上一項先決條件，就是必須獲得立法會主席同意後才可以提出這類議案。
In this connection we propose that a prerequisite be laid down for these motions such that these motions can only be moved with the consent of the President
主席，我們亦建議明確議員在發言解釋其先前發言中被誤解的部分時，只可就被誤解的部分發言。
President we also propose an amendment to provide that a Member who explains the part of his speech which has been misunderstood shall only speak on the part that has been misunderstood
主席，現時除了立法會會議，委員會會議方面亦備受"拉布"困擾，但是委員會主席並不像立法會主席般擁有決定議程及其他管理會議秩序的權力。
President apart from Council meetings committees meetings have also been plagued by filibustering . However unlike President of the Legislative Council chairmen of committees do not have the power to decide the agenda or regulate meeting order
至於有關減少議員離題或冗贅發言的權力，則只是立法會主席、常設委員會及專責委員會的主席具備，而內務委員會及其他委員會的主席則欠奉這個權力，但其實這些都是有助維持會議秩序的合理權力。
As to powers to reduce speeches that dwell on irrelevance and verbosity only President of the Legislative Council chairmen of standing committees and select committees have such power but chairmen of House Committee and other committees do not have such powers . Yet these are justified powers that can help maintain orders in meetings
就此，我們建議把遏止議員不斷離題或冗贅重複論點的權力的適用範圍擴大至所有委員會的主席，並且賦權各委員會主席有權決定哪些事項可以納入議程。
In this connection we propose that the scope of application of the power to stop Members from dwelling on irrelevance or tedious repetitions be extended to all committees chairmen and all committees chairmen be empowered to decide the items to be included on the Agenda
主席，我想呼籲各位重視有效行使立法會根據《基本法》所賦予的職權的同事一同支援我們的修訂建議，讓立法會可以返回正軌，還 給議員理性發言應有的空間，還給社會一個理性並具尊嚴的立法機關。
President I call on fellow Members who treasure the effective exercise of the powers and functions of the Legislative Council authorized in the Basic Law to support our proposed amendments so that this Council can be restored to its right track and that Members can be given the room to make sensible speeches and society can embrace a sensible and dignified legislature again
關於泛民議員剛才一些論點，我是需要回應的，但我現在沒有時間，我會在總體回應時再發言。
I wish to respond to some arguments raised by pan - democratic Members but I do not have the speaking time now . I will respond to them in may overall reply
主席，早前我和何君堯議員一起到英國參加西敏寺研討會，學習英國傳統議會政治和議會運作。
President Dr Junius HO and I attended the Westminster Seminar on Parliamentary Practice and Procedure which was about the conventions of British parliamentary politics
在研討會的尾聲，有人問我，研討會內容對香港有何參考作用？
Towards the end of the seminar someone asked me what Hong Kong could learn from the content of the seminar
因為英國國會是民選產生的議會，大家看着《議事規則》，看着議會運作，心裏很清楚：今天的執政黨是保守黨，他日可能是工黨。
The reason is that the British parliament is elected by the people . Everyone is very clear about how they should treat the Standing Orders and the functioning of the parliament well aware that while the ruling party today is the Conservative Party the Labour Party may become the ruling party in the future
但是，香港絕對不是這樣，香港立法會是不民主的議會，在可見的將來也看不到有民主改革的機會。
But this is absolutely not the case in Hong Kong . The Hong Kong Legislative Council is not a democratic Council and we cannot see any chance of democratic reform in the near future
在這種情況下，建制派作為多數，他們認為功能界別的制度可以千秋萬世，他們可以繼續維護自己的既得利益，也可以繼續坐擁立法會大多數議席。
For this reason the pro - establishment camp which is the majority in the Council thinks that the functional constituency system can last forever and they can continue to hold the majority seats and safeguard their vested interest . As result whenever they see any opportunity they will make full use of it
在這種情況下，他們見有風就一定會駛盡𢃇，一旦可以修改《議事規則》，絕對不會放過這個機會。
Once they see that there is a chance of amending the Rules of Procedure RoP they certainly will not miss it
主席，我明白建制派可能覺得，民主派有些議員，很多時候以程序方式阻撓、拖延審議富爭議的議案，會影響大家的日常工作。
President I know pro - establishment Members may think that the normal functioning of this Council is affected by the frequent attempts of certain pro - democracy Members to invoke Council procedures to block or delay controversial motions . I can appreciate their concern
這個我明白，但是，這正正是在不民主的議會中，少數派制衡多數派的僅有力量。
But I must add that this is precisely the only power with which the minority can counterbalance the majority in this undemocratic Council
大家以為削去這種力量後，議會就可以由建制派隻手遮天，完全操控嗎？
Will the deprivation of this power really enable the pro - establishment camp to totally control this legislature?
正如我昨天在發言時說，建制派可以大幅修改《議事規則》，但他們無法杜絕所有程序問題，這些"拉布"或阻撓政府議案的做法，絕對不會因為修改了《議事規則》而終止。
As I already said yesterday the pro - establishment camp may amend RoP in any drastic way they want but they cannot possibly eradicate all procedural issues . Such tactics of filibuster or stalling Government motions will not come to an end with the amendment of RoP
更令人遺憾的是，廖長江議員作為法律界代表，應該清楚知道制度的重要。
What is even more regrettable is the act of Mr Martin LIAO who is supposed to be very clear about the importance of our system as a representative of the legal profession
我們這個制度不單要讓議員充分表達意見，亦須讓議員有機會就政府的重大醜聞或施政失誤嚴肅跟進。
Besides enabling Members to fully express their views our system also aims to allow Members to seriously look into the Governments scandals or policy blunders
但是，很遺憾，廖長江 議員代表建制派，提出要將現時通過提交呈請書成立專責委員會的做法，門檻由20人支持大幅提升至35人。
But to our disappointment Mr Martin LIAO on behalf of the pro - establishment camp proposes changes to the practice of presenting a petition for forming a select committee raising the threshold substantially from 20 Members rising in support to 35 Members
不單如此，如果獲得35人站立支持，事件還是要交由內務委員會跟進。
Not only this even with 35 Members rising in support of the petition the issue must still be referred to the House Committee for follow - up
在這種情況下，客觀效果便是民主派已經喪失機會，透過提交呈請書成立專責委員會，追查政府重大醜聞或關乎重大公共利益的事情。
As result the pro - democracy camp will in effect be rendered unable to form a select committee through the presentation of a petition for the purpose of investigating major government scandals or issues of important public interest
這程序與建制派一直批評的"拉布"有何關係？
What has this procedure got to do with filibustering which the pro - establishment camp has been lashing out at?
我向不少建制派同事私下問過，但沒有人可以告訴我這究竟和"拉布"有何關係，因為實在沒有關係。
I have asked many pro - establishment Members in private but no one can say how it is connected with filibustering . The reason is that there is simply no connection at all
謝偉俊議員，你可以在你的發言時間再回應，好嗎？
Mr Paul TSE can you say something more when you speak later on?
主席，事實上通過提交呈請書成立專責委員會，只在大會花數分鐘時間。
President presenting a petition to form a select committee will only take a few minutes in a Council meeting
接下來，專責委員會因為運作獨立，絕對不會影響大會、財務委員會或其他重要委員會的工作。
Afterwards the select committee will work on its own having no impact on Council meetings and the work of the Finance Committee or other important committees
主席，我明白有些議員可以用很多歪理嘗試解釋，但說到底，歪理始終是歪理，無論大家如何口若懸河，這些都不是可以說服別人的真理。
President I know some Members will resort to various specious arguments . But specious arguments are specious arguments and they cannot convince people despite all the elegance that seeks to present them as the truth
甚麼是少數獨裁？
What exactly is dictatorship of the minority?
我們是少數，但少數竟可以獨裁？
We are the minority but how can the minority become dictators?
我覺得廖長江議員相當幽默。
Mr Martin LIAOs argument is kind of funny
廖長江議員，主席是你們的人，政府是你們的人，全國人民代表大會常務委員會是你們的頂頭上司，它可以解釋《基本法》。
Mr Martin LIAO the President is from your camp and the Government is on your side . The Standing Committee of the National Peoples Congress which is your immediate supervisor holds the power to interpret the Basic Law
香港政制以行政為主導，少數派有何權力可以獨裁？
The political system in Hong Kong is an executive - led one so how can the minority become dictators?
這是匪夷所思的說法，甚至是指鹿為馬的說法。
This comment is unimaginable and even a gross misrepresentation
少數派利用《議事規則》和程序制衡政府，正如前主席曾鈺成所說，這是"一國兩制"設計之下所容許的。
Actually the attempts of the minority to check the Government with RoP and other procedural means are permitted under one country two systems as also admitted by former Legislative Council President Jasper TSANG
容許反對派利用議事程序阻延政府法案的通過，並非香港獨有，世界各地也有，這是很自然及正常的做法。
The use of rules of procedure by the opposition to stall the passage of government bills is not unique to Hong Kong . This is also found in other parts of the world a very common and normal practice
你們沒有自由的意志，只會跟從大隊，不懂得做好保皇黨的工作，投票支持政改，不能埋怨別人。
Devoid of any independent thinking you people only knew that you must follow the order . But you did not know how to do a good job as royalists and ended up failing to vote for the constitutional reform package
之前劉江華擔任議員的時候，也說"拉布"是建制派的手段。
When LAU Kong - wah was a Member he also said that the pro - establishment camp would also employ filibuster as a tactic . In fact this is a tactic that all of us may use one day
這事家家有求，你想阻礙某項議決、法案通過，建制派也會"拉布"。
Even the pro - establishment camp will filibuster if they want to stall the passage of certain resolutions or bills
我想在未來數年，"曠持日久"的抗爭、議會的矛盾只會越來越厲害。
Meanwhile I think protracted protests will surely ensue in the next few years and clashes in the Council will only worsen
主席，你對記者說，加開會議就是要讓議會盡快回復正常狀態，又說民主派也提出了很多修訂，而既然大家均有提出修訂，所以會議的安排與建制派提出修訂沒有直接關係。
President you have told the press that the arrangement of having additional meeting days is meant to enable the Council to resume normal functioning as soon as possible . You also say that since the pro - democracy camp has likewise put forward many amendments meaning that both sides have raised amendments the amendments proposed by the pro - establishment camp should not be regarded as the direct cause of this meeting arrangement
我們絕大部分的修訂，是因應廖長江議員提出的修訂而作的，而事實上你也清楚知道，民主派的修訂是完全沒有機會獲得通過的，今次只會通過建制派提出的修訂。
The bulk of our amendments are made in response to Mr Martin LIAOs amendments . And you know very well that our amendments stand absolutely no chance of getting passed . Only those of the pro - establishment camp can be passed this time
客觀現實就是，你原本應該擔任球證的角色，但現在你已走進球場，站在建制派的一方，說民主派過往經常犯規。
The truth is that you are supposed to be the referee but you have become one of the pro - establishment players in the pitch and you even accuse the pro - democracy camp of foul play
你根本已經放棄了作為球證應有的表面中立。
You have totally brushed aside the veneer of neutrality that a referee must at lease show
主席，我亦要批評廖長江議員的修訂，建議由立法會秘書主持換屆後的主席選舉。
President I must also criticize Mr Martin LIAOs for moving an amendment to vest the Secretary General with the power to chair the meeting for electing the President in a new Legislative Council
根據本會的傳統，主席選舉會議由最資深的議員主持。
By convention such a meeting is to be chaired by the most senior Member . This is a time - tested practice
這是行之有效的，為何要修改呢？
Why do they want to change it?
是否因為現時本會最資深的議員是民主派議員，建制派不放心而一定要由秘書長擔任呢？
Is that because the most senior Member at present is from the pro - democracy camp and out of a sense of insecurity they insist on asking the Secretary General to chair the meeting?
我認為由立法會秘書長擔任主持，會有嚴重的角色衝突，因為立法會主席是行政管理委員會的主席，行政管理委員會管理秘書處。
I am of the view that asking the Secretary General to chair the meeting will involve a serious role conflict because the President of the Legislative Council chairs the Legislative Council Commission which oversees the Secretariat
秘書長日常要很緊密地向主席匯報工作，主席是其直屬上司。
The Secretary General reports closely to the President who is his immediate supervisor
我覺得這破壞了議會的體統。
To me this will ruin the convention of this Council
主席，我昨天呼籲葉太改變初衷，支持提交呈請書。
President yesterday I called upon Mrs IP to change her mind and support the presentation of petition
雖然她無法令到容海恩議員跟她站在同一陣線，但亦希望她考慮到呈請書是監察政府的最重要工具之一，因而考慮"轉軚"。
I expressed the hope that although Mrs IP could not persuade Ms YUNG Hoi - yan to side with her she herself would still consider making a U - turn having regard to the significance of presenting petitions as a means of monitoring the Government
不過，我留意到容議員對傳媒說，葉太一個人的分量已經足夠，所以她昨天無需站起來。
But Ms YUNG told the media that as Mrs IP herself was already a political heavyweight she did not need to stand up yesterday
為何你把所有責任交給葉太呢？
Why do you shirk all the responsibility to Mrs IP?
除非，你不同意葉太的立場，不同意用呈請書的方式調查領展不斷出售資產的問題。
You should not do so unless you disapprove of Mrs IPs stance unless you do not support the use of petitions as a means of investigating Links incessant sale of assets
如果是這樣，你倒不如說清楚：我不同意葉太的立場，所以我不站起來；而不要說葉太一個人分量已經足夠。
If that is the case you should say clearly that you disapprove of Mrs IPs position and will not stand up rather than saying that Mrs IP herself is already a political heavyweight
你也是民選議 員，代表新界東的選民，而葉太沒有代表他們，她也沒有支取你的薪酬。
You are also an elected Member representing the New Territories East constituency . Mrs IP does not represent New Territories East and she does not share your pay
希望你明白，每位議員也要為自己的決定負責。
I hope you can understand that every Member must be responsible for his or her own decision