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我拜讀了民主黨創黨黨員陳莊勤撰寫的一篇很長的文章，他寫得非常好，他說與法律界人士溝通時，他也表示他的意見完全不是基於道德問題，而是from the point of law 不得不提出意見。
I have read a very long article written by John CHAN a founding member of the Democratic Party . He made some very good points in his article . He said that when he communicated with members of the legal profession he also told them that he had formed his views entirely not on the basis of moral consideration but it was from the point of law that he could not refrain from stating his views
所以，要麼政府下定決心，決定甚麼也不做，那我們除了"拉布"外，每一條例也......
So the Government may as well make up its mind not to do anything and in that case apart from filibustering we will in respect of each and every ordinance I will in future propose a private Members Bill to introduce amendments to the effect that a spouse be defined in the same way as in the Inland Revenue Ordinance by providing that husband is a man and wife is a woman
所以，我希望高局長今天在議事廳聽一聽，你應該曾有機會看過不同的人士大部分來自法律界、具不同背景的人士就這問題寫過的文章。
Therefore I hope Secretary Dr KO will listen to us in this Chamber today . He should have had the opportunity of reading articles written on this issue by different people most of whom coming from the legal profession and holding different backgrounds
如果以鴕鳥態度面對這事，效果是立法的工作將不會停止。
If the Government takes the attitude of an ostrich towards this issue the legislative work to follow will never cease
其實，龕場並非具爭議性的問題，只不過正如剛才提到，由於一致性的問題，我們實在沒辦法在所謂的order上，在現階段......大家看看，由於一致性的問題，如果根本沒有做過研究，又會發生甚麼問題？
In fact the arrangements in respect of columbaria are no controversial issue just that as it was mentioned earlier due to the question of consistency with regard to the so - called order it is indeed impossible for us to at this stage Look due to the question of consistency if no studies have ever been conducted what will be the problem?
正如那項判決般，有沒有研究過呢？
By the same token regarding that Judgment has any study been conducted?
你間接承認外國婚姻，說他們在香港屬於配偶，會否令很多人透過此途徑在外國登記，然後回港claim配偶福利呢？
Now that a marriage registered overseas is recognized indirectly as they are said to be a spouse to each other in Hong Kong . Will this encourage many people to tread the same path and register overseas and then return to Hong Kong to claim spousal benefits?
然後又在香港發生另一段戀情。
And if one of them starts another love affair in Hong Kong and as some people can fall in love with both men and women he or she can have a registered spouse of the same sex overseas and a registered spouse of the opposite sex in Hong Kong
首先工作量可能增加；第二，香港的合法配偶似乎看不到自己有clear protection，自己也不知道是否真的是一夫一妻、一男一女制度下的配偶，可能其他人會說自己是配偶。
First the workload may increase; second the legal spouses in Hong Kong may not see clear protection for themselves as they do not even know if they are a spouse under the system of monogamy between one man and one woman for other people may claim to be a spouse too
談到撫恤的問題，正如我經常說，可能會有個別的個案，我們可在行政上以比較彈性的方法處理，我也願意一同研究，看看在某些情況下能否酌情處理福利問題。
On the point about compassionate grounds as I often said there may be individual cases and we can deal with them using a more flexible approach administratively . I would be glad to conduct studies together so as to ascertain whether it is possible to exercise discretion in handling the welfare issues under certain circumstances
因此，我很希望大家今天討論這問題時......
In this connection I very much hope that when Members discuss this issue today Actually it is impossible not to involve these issues
其實也沒法不涉及這些問題，去年大家已知道會涉及這些問題，不過今年新增一宗個案，大家也沒辦法不討論這個案。
Last year we already knew that these issues would be involved just that there is a new case this year and it is therefore impossible not to discuss it
我亦收到太多太多的意見，令我們必須在立法會向局長......
I have received far too many views which make it necessary for us to convey them to the Secretary in the Legislative Council In fact I eagerly wish to see the Secretary for Civil Service attending this meeting here today
我希望提出修正案的同事能夠了解，我相信大家無法在核心問題上達成共識。但是，就行政方面，大家將來可繼續討論，看看如何縮窄分歧，甚至提供幫助，這些都是大家可以探討的。
I hope Honourable colleagues who have proposed amendments to the Bill can understand that while I believe it is impossible for us to reach a consensus on the core issues we can continue to hold discussions on the administrative aspect in order to find out how differences can be narrowed and even how assistance can be rendered . These are what we can explore and discuss
但是，你剛才提到台灣，實在令很多人有如驚弓之鳥，再看看加拿大的例子，便越發令人覺得不想隨便打開這扇門，而我亦相信內地也注視這事......代理主席，我謹此陳辭。
But just now you mentioned Taiwan and it has indeed caused many people to become panic - stricken and if we further look at the example of Canada it makes people feel more and more strongly that this door must not be opened casually and I believe the Mainland is also keeping this issue in view Deputy Chairman I so submit
李國麟議員提出議案，將表決響鐘時間由5分鐘縮短為1分鐘。
Prof Joseph LEE has proposed the motion on shortening the division bell from five minutes to one minute
我宣布議案被否決。
I declare the motion negatived
我現在向各位提出的待決議題是：上述經修正的條文納入本條例草案。
I now put the question to you and that is That the clauses as amended stand part of the Bill
食物及衞生局局長、陳志全議員及朱凱廸議員已分別作出預告，動議講稿附錄他們的第一組及第二組修正案，以修正附表5第62及95條。
The Secretary for Food and Health Mr CHAN Chi - chuen and Mr CHU Hoi - dick have respectively given notices to move their first and second groups of amendments to amend sections 62 and 95 of Schedule 5 as set out in the Appendix to the Script
上述修正案均旨在於骨灰處置程序中加入"相關人士"的定義，以及訂明"相關人士"在"訂明申索人"中骨灰申索優先權的次序。
These amendments seek to add the definition of related person and provide for the order of priority of the related person among prescribed claimants for claiming ashes in the ash disposal procedures
張超雄議員亦已作出預告，動議講稿附錄他的修正案，以修正附表5第62條。
Dr Fernando CHEUNG has also given notice to move his amendment to amend section 62 of Schedule 5 as set out in the Appendix to the Script
他的修正案旨在修訂"親屬"的定義。
His amendment seeks to amend the definition of relative
梁國雄議員亦已作出預告，動議講稿附錄他的修正案，以修正附表5第95條。
Mr LEUNG Kwok - hung has also given notice to move his amendment to amend section 95 of Schedule 5 as set out in the Appendix to the Script
他的 修正案旨在訂明"相關人士"在"訂明申索人"中骨灰申索優先權的次序。
His amendment seeks to provide for the order of priority of the related person among prescribed claimants for claiming ashes
各位委員現在可以就原條文的相關部分及上述的修正案進行合併辯論。
Members may now proceed to a joint debate on the relevant parts of the original clauses and the above amendments
我會先請食物及衞生局局長就他的第一組及第二組修正案發言，以及動議他的第一組修正案，然後請陳志全議員、朱凱廸議員、張超雄議員及梁國雄議員發言，但他們在現階段不可動議修正案。
I will first call upon the Secretary for Food and Health to speak on his first and second groups of amendments and move his first group of amendments . Then I will call upon Mr CHAN Chi - chuen Mr CHU Hoi - dick Dr Fernando CHEUNG and Mr LEUNG Kwok - hung to speak but they may not move their amendments at this stage
辯論結束後，全委會會先表決局長的第一組修正案。
Upon the conclusion of the debate committee will first vote on the Secretarys first group of amendments
由於局長的修正案，以及陳志全議員、朱凱廸議員、張超雄議員和梁國雄議員的修正案均互有關連，要視乎全委會就有關修正案的表決結果，才決定是否請他們動議修正案。
As the Secretarys amendments and Mr CHAN Chi - chuens Mr CHU Hoi - dicks Dr Fernando CHEUNGs and Mr LEUNG Kwok - hungs amendments are interrelated subject to the voting results of the relevant amendments in committee they may be called upon to move their amendments
主席，數位反對派議員剛才提出的觀點，存在一些謬誤，我認為必須先作澄清。
Chairman the viewpoints put forth by the several Members from the opposition camp just now carry some fallacies so I think I must first clarify them
其實，這項修正案已可讓與死者有密切關係的人有權提出要求領取骨灰的申索。
In fact under this amendment a person with a close relationship with the deceased will have the right to lodge a claim for the ashes of the deceased
我要強調，當中並不牽涉任何性傾向的考慮。
I have to stress that it does not involve any consideration of sexual orientation
然而，主席，我們必須注意，"相關人士"這4個字絕不能被反對派議員借題發揮，以修改"相關人士"定義為名，曲線迫使政府承認同性婚姻為實。
The amendment proposed by the Government can already resolve their problems . However Chairman we must guard against Members from the opposition camp preventing them from playing with the term related person by all means so that they cannot indirectly press the Government into recognizing same - sex marriage on the pretext of amending the definition of related person
今天，陳志全議員、張超雄議員、"長毛"等均提出了修正案，要求政府修改"相關人士"的定義，以涵蓋在香港以外地方結婚的同性伴侶；或擴大"親屬"的定義，以涵蓋在香港以外任何司法管轄區的婚姻、民事伴侶或民事結合的同性伴侶。
Today Mr CHAN Chi - chuen Dr Fernando CHEUNG and Long Hair have proposed amendments requesting the Government to amend the definition of related person to include same - sex partners in a marriage celebrated outside Hong Kong or expand the definition of relative to cover same - sex partners in a marriage civil partnership or civil union celebrated or contracted in any jurisdiction outside Hong Kong
主席，我必須強調一點，香港的《婚姻條例》清楚訂明，香港法律所承認的婚姻是一男一女的婚姻。
Chairman I must stress that the Marriage Ordinance of Hong Kong stipulates clearly that marriages recognized under the laws of Hong Kong means the union of one man with one woman
至於家人或親屬的定義，在傳統和香港法律上均有一些明確的定義或根據，並非由個人主觀意願或傾向界定。
As for the definition of family or relatives there are certain clear definitions or bases according to our tradition and the laws of Hong Kong which should not be defined by the subjective will or orientation of individuals
過去一段時間，社會風氣開始轉變，我們現時看見社會上或議會內均有人要求修改對家人或親屬的定義，從而改變現有的家庭價 值，甚至是衝擊或改變現行一男一女的婚姻制度。
Over the past period social values have started to change . Now in society and the legislature we see that people are pressing for amendment of the definition of family members or relatives with a view to changing the existing family values and even challenging or altering the existing institution of marriage of one man and one woman
對此，我們感到非常焦慮。
We are extremely anxious about this
主席，今天，我想藉一個簡單的法律例子，與大家探討現時香港法例對家人和親屬的定義、處理和運用情況。
Chairman today I would like to use a simple scenario in law to examine how the definition of family members and relatives are addressed and applied under the existing laws of Hong Kong
假如以上家屬並無人在死者去世時尚存，遺產管理權的先後次序便為：祖父母、死者的伯父、叔父、舅父、姑母及姨母，或於死者在生時已去世的任何死者已故的伯父、叔父、舅父、姑母、姨母的後嗣等。
If no person in any of the family members mentioned has survived the deceased then the priority for applying for a grant to administration is grandparents uncles and aunts of the deceased or the issue of any deceased uncle or aunt of the deceased who has died during the lifetime of the deceased
我舉這個例子，就是要告訴大家，在沒有遺囑的遺產管理中，大家也可見處理的先後次序，是以死者本人或婚姻中的配偶或親屬的血緣關係作為依據。
I have cited this example to illustrate to Members that in the case of a grant to administration when a person dies intestate there is an established priority for handling the case which is based on the biological relationship of the deceased or the relationship with the spouse of the deceased in a marriage
更重要的一點，就是我們一直以來擁有的婚姻制度和家庭價值將會被迅速摧毀，這方面是我們要當心的。
More importantly the institution of marriage and family values we have all along been upholding will be destroyed quickly . We must be careful about this
主席，今次政府提出修正案，加入"相關人士"為"訂明申索人"的類別，定義容許已一起生活兩年的同居者有權提出申索骨灰。
Chairman the amendment proposed by the Government this time around adds related person as an additional category of prescribed claimant which defines that a person who had been living with the deceased in the same household for two years has the right to claim the ashes of the deceased
我再次重申，這項修正案已可解決多位反對派同事剛才提及的問題。
I reiterate that this amendment has already addressed the problems mentioned by a number of colleagues from the opposition camp earlier
因此，我們實在沒有必要在修正案中畫蛇添足，對"相關人士"的定義再作改動，訂明須一併涵蓋香港以外地方結婚的同性伴侶；更不應將"親屬"的定義擴大至涵蓋香港以外的司法管轄區的婚姻及民事結合的同性伴侶等。
Hence it is truly unnecessary to make any redundant alteration to the definition of related person in the amendment to stipulate the inclusion of same - sex partners in a marriage with the deceased celebrated outside Hong Kong . It is also unnecessary to expand the definition of relative to include same - sex partners in a marriage or civil union with the deceased celebrated or contracted in any jurisdiction outside Hong Kong
大家如有留意最近那宗涉及公務員同性伴侶福利的司法覆核案件，便知道判詞一出，幾乎全城譁然。
If Members have been mindful of the recent judicial review case involving the benefits of same - sex partners of civil servants they would have noticed that the Judgment has provoked a massive outcry nearly across the territory
我們收到很多人士的意見，表示他們非常擔心這項判決會影響香港現行一男一女的婚姻制度及家庭價值。
We have received views from many people that they worry anxiously about the impact of the Judgment on the institution of marriage of one man with one woman and the family values in Hong Kong
如果情況確如陳志全議員所說般，只是少許修改，並無重大變動，大家無須這麼憂心，那便不會出現我剛才說的"幾乎全城譁然"，因為大家也很擔心判決會影響及衝擊我們的婚姻和家庭價值。
Had the situation only been about some minor amendments not involving any significant changes and not warranting any worries as Mr CHAN Chi - chuen so claimed the Judgment would not have provoked a massive outcry nearly across the territory . It is evident that the public is worried about the possible impact and challenge the Judgment may bring to our marriage institution and family values
因此，主席，我始終認為在"相關人士"的定義這一關，我們必須守住，寸步不讓，否則我們的家庭價值及一男一女的婚姻制度便會失守。
Hence Chairman I have all along considered the definition of related person a gate we must guard against and should not budge an inch . Or else we will lose ground in defending our family values and the institution of marriage of one man with one woman
這項修改對香港社會的影響非常深遠，所以大家必須注意和小心。
This amendment will have far - reaching implications on Hong Kong so Members must remain vigilant and be cautious
主席，首先，我要為梁志祥議員作出澄清。
Chairman first of all I have to make a clarification for Mr LEUNG Che - cheung who said in the last part of his speech earlier that he opposed all the amendments
他剛才在發言最後部分表示反對所有修正案，但他強調他是反對陳志全議員、張超雄議員等人的修正案，即在"相關人士"定義中涵蓋海外結婚的同性伴侶的修正案。
He would like to stress that he opposes the amendments proposed by Mr CHAN Chi - chuen and Dr Fernando CHEUNG and so on which propose including in the definition of related person the same - sex partner of the deceased in a marriage celebrated overseas
對於政府有關"相關人士"的修正案，他當然是支持的。
As for the amendment of the Government Mr LEUNG will surely support it
他表示聽到我說"要守住，寸步不讓"，是否等於我會反對所有修正案，包括政府提出的修正案。
He said he heard me saying I have to guard the gate and never budge an inch and thus queried if I would be opposing all the amendments including that proposed by the Government
我藉此機會澄清，我跟梁志祥議員的說法一樣，我反對陳志全議員、張超雄議員和"長毛"等就"相關人士"定義提出的修正案。
I would like to take this opportunity to clarify that I share the opinion of Mr LEUNG Che - cheung that is I oppose the amendments proposed by Mr CHAN Chi - chuen Dr Fernando CHEUNG and Long Hair on the definition of related person
對於政府對"相關人士"的定義的修正案，即清楚訂明容許跟死者死前兩年同居的伴侶申領骨灰，這一點我是贊成的，我說得很清楚。
As for the amendment on related person proposed by the Government which stipulates unequivocally that partners who had been living in the same household with the deceased for two years prior to the death of the deceased may claim the ashes of the deceased I support it . I have already made this clear
我要就此斬釘截鐵地說明白，我們從來沒有歧視不同性傾向的人士，這點我是必須要說清楚的。
I have to state definitely and firmly here that we have never discriminated against persons with different sexual orientation . I must make this point very clear
第一，如果今次這項條例草案可以這樣修改，或萬一出現這樣的突破，那便會打開一個缺口，而我相信其他法例日後也難逃修改的命運。
First if the change under this amendment is accepted or if they manage to make such a breakthrough it will open a gap and I believe amendments of other laws in this manner can hardly be prevented in future
屆時，他們便有道理說，既然這項條例的"相關人士"定義已涵蓋海外結婚的同性伴侶，或"親屬"的定義已涵蓋海外結婚的同性伴侶，那其他法例也應該有所謂的一致性。
By then they will resort to the justification that same - sex partners in a marriage celebrated overseas are already included in the definitions of related person or relative under this law so other laws should be amended for the sake of the so - called consistency
主席，我要再三提醒，如果在這項條例草案中，訂明"相關人士"和"親屬"的定義涵蓋海外結婚的同性伴侶，那便等於在香港法例中明文訂明有同性婚姻這回事，在某程度上，是賦予同性婚姻一種法定地位。
Chairman I have to remind Members again that if same - sex partners in a marriage celebrated overseas are included in the definitions of related person and relative under the Bill it means that the existence of same - sex marriage is stipulated explicitly in the laws of Hong Kong so the change is in certain measure granting same - sex marriage some sort of a statutory status
主席，我再三強調，這是在某程度上利用另一種方式，賦予同性婚姻一種法定地位。
Chairman I stress again that it is in some measure granting some sort of a statutory status to same - sex marriage by other means
在香港的法例中，訂明某種程度接受和承認海外締結的同性婚姻，就等於給同性婚姻一個法定地位。
In the laws of Hong Kong the acceptance and recognition of same - sex marriage celebrated overseas in a certain measure equals to granting a statutory status to same - sex marriage
主席，我相信電視機前的觀眾應該很清楚知道，一旦一件事情擁有法定地位，情況便會很不同。
Chairman I trust the viewers in front of the television know full well that once a statutory status is granted to a certainly issue the situation will be very different
主席，我亦要再三說明，同性婚姻一旦獲賦予法定地位，或正如我們一直所說，一旦出現合法化的情況，所牽動的問題便很大。
Chairman I have to state it clearly once again that same - sex marriage once granted a statutory status or as we have been saying once it becomes lawful it will bring forth serious problems
主席，即使是領養兒童的問題也一定會受牽連。
Chairman the adoption of children will definitely be affected
這不獨是在香港會出現的問題，我們看到很多其他國家在承認同性婚姻合法化後，隨之而來就要面對同性婚姻伴侶領養兒童的問題，這將會是一個問題。
This problem will not be unique to Hong Kong . We can see that many other countries now face problems in adoption of children by same - sex marriage partners after the legality of same - sex marriage is given recognition . This will be a problem
另一個我經常舉出的例子，就是當同性婚姻在香港獲得法定地位後，我們要想想，日後教科書如何教導婚姻的定義。
Another example often cited by me is that after same - sex marriage is granted a statutory status in Hong Kong we have to consider the definition of marriage to be taught in textbooks in future
當我們向小朋友講解結婚時，究竟要說是一男一女結合，還是要註明有一男一男或一女一女的結合呢？
When we explain marriage to children should we say that it is the union of one man with one women or should we specify that it may also be the union of two men or two women?
不論同性婚姻是合法化，還是獲賦予法定地位，這是必然會產生的問題，我們無可避免要面對。
Be it about legalizing same - sex marriage or granting it a statutory status it will give rise to such problems and we will inevitably encounter these problems
因此，我在發言中不斷強調，牽一髮而動全身，同性婚姻合法化的而且確會衝擊我們的傳統家庭價值和婚姻制度。
Hence I have stressed repeatedly in my speech that one move will bring about a knock - on effect . The legalization of same - sex marriage will really challenge our traditional values and the institution of marriage
主席，我想借這個機會，駁斥一種觀點。
Chairman I would like to take this opportunity to refute one argument
我聽到多位同事，特別是反對派同事，很喜歡說在婚姻上要賦予他們平等的權利，即同性婚姻要享有平等權利。
I noted many Honourable colleagues particularly colleagues from the opposition camp are keen on saying that they should be granted equal rights in marriage which means equality for same - sex marriage
可是，我要重申，結婚不單是個人權利，同時間亦牽動社會制度，是很特別的一件事。
However I have to reiterate that marriage is not merely about individual rights but also a matter affecting the social system . It is a very special issue
如果在賦予一個人個人權利時，會同時動搖一個社會制度的話，這就不是個人的事，也不單是所謂平權問題，而是動搖社會制度的問題。
If the granting of individual rights to a person will upset the social system it will not merely be an individual issue nor will it merely be a matter of the so - called equality of rights for it is actually a matter upsetting the social system
至於申領骨灰方面，按照當前這項條例草案，政府就"相關人士"提出的定義已解決他們的問題，因為只要是跟死者同居兩年的人，不論是同性或異性伴侶，不論性傾向，也可申領骨灰。
In the case of claims for the ashes of the deceased according to the present Bill the definition of related person proposed by the Government will address the problems raised by them for anyone who had been living in the same household with the deceased for two years be the person of the same sex or opposite sex and irrespective of his or her sexual orientation may claim the ashes of the deceased
這項定義已經解決了相關問題，亦不牽涉任何歧視。
This definition has provided a solution to the relevant problems and it does not involve any discrimination
不過，一旦談到婚姻，我再三強調，這便不單是權利問題，亦是一個社會制度的問題。
Nonetheless when it comes to marriage I stress once again that it is not merely a matter of rights but also a matter affecting the social system
因此，我要指出，如果社會今天不贊成同性婚姻合法化，大家便不能指我堅持這個觀點，是歧視同性戀者或不同性傾向人士，兩者之間是不能劃上等號的，大家千萬不能讓這種觀點混淆我們的視聽。
Hence I have to point out that if society disagrees with legalizing same sex marriage Members should not accuse me of discriminating against homosexuals or persons with different sexual orientation when I hold fast to that opinion . There should be no equal sign between the two issues . We should never allow this viewpoint to obscure the fact
我們今天站在這裏，就是要說清楚，我們是要維護現行一男一女的家庭價值和婚姻制度。
Today I am standing here to make it clear that we have to defend the family values and the institution of marriage of one man with one woman
主席，我希望大家聽過我的發言後，可以細心想清楚。
Chairman I hope that after listening to my speech Members will think about it thoroughly
今天由反對派提出的數項修正案，將"相關人士"和"親屬"的定義擴展至涵蓋海外結婚的同性伴侶，一旦獲得通過的話，必定會衝擊我們的婚姻制度和家庭價值，我希望大家清楚了解和三思。
The several amendments proposed by the opposition camp today to expand the definitions of related person and relative to include same - sex partners in a marriage celebrated overseas if passed will surely impact on the institution of marriage and family values . I thus implore Members to understand the issue clearly and think twice
我發言並非要表示反對或贊成，但我想說的是這次全體委員會審議階段有6場辯論。
I speak neither for nor against it . But what I wish to say is that there are six debate sessions in this Committee stage
主席，現時在我們手上的這項《私營骨灰安置所條例草案》本來在上屆立法會已編排在議程上，但由於在它之前有一項《2016年醫生註冊條例草案》未能完成審議，故此須留待今屆立法會繼續處理，並須重新成立法案委員會，直至今天接近5月底，才可以進入全體委員會審議階段。
Chairman this Private Columbaria Bill the Bill now in our hand was originally scheduled on the Agenda of the last - term Legislative Council . However since the scrutiny of the Medical Registration Amendment Bill 2016 which came before it on the Agenda could not be completed it had to be deferred to the current term of the Legislative Council with a Bills Committee formed afresh . It was not until today near the end of May that it could enter the Committee stage
當然，沒有法例是完美的，必定會有修改的空間，但我想指出，如果《條例草案》已在上屆立法會獲得通過，便不會有今天這場議案辯論。
Certainly no law is perfect . There must be room for amendment . However I would like to point out that had the Bill been passed by the last - term Legislative Council there would not have been this motion debate today
經過暑假後，立法會換屆，政府確實有所改變，而且是好的改變，就是引入了"相關人士"的概念。
After the summer recess the Legislative Council underwent a general election and the Government has indeed changed for the better in that it has introduced the concept of related person
在上屆立法會，政府對此充耳不聞，但有些同性伴侶確實會有此需要。
In the last term of the Legislative Council the Government turned a deaf ear to this matter but some same - sex partners will really have such a need
雖然要處理的個案可能很少，甚至在真實世界中發生的個案數字可能是零，但我們討論的是原則問題，而現時引入"相關人士"的概念，便是想開一道方便之門。
Although there may be very few cases which need to be handled and the number of such cases happening in the real world may even be zero what we are discussing is a matter of principle . The concept of related person is now introduced to open a door of convenience
所以，局長說這項建議在法案委員會已獲得充分討論，恕我無法認同，但我們當時確實沒有太大爭拗，只各自表述了立場，然後各自草擬自己的修正案，打算於全體委員會審議階段才再進行辯論。
Hence I am afraid I cannot agree with the Secretarys remark that this proposal has been fully discussed in the Bills Committee . However at that time we really did not have too many arguments . We just stated our respective stances
這並不代表此建議已經充分討論，以及法案委員會全體委員均支持政府現時這個"相關人士"的概念。
Then we respectively drafted our amendments intending to debate again during the Committee stage . It does not mean this proposal has already been fully discussed and all the members of the Bills Committee support this present concept of related person proposed by the Government
不過，政府確實作出了讓步，大家也可以認為它已有進步，因為它始終向前走了一步。
Nevertheless the Government has indeed made a concession and we may consider that it has made progress because after all it has taken a step forward
然而，我提出這項修正案，就是希望政府如果真的想打開方便之門，便應該"為人為到底，送佛送到西"，為何不可以再多做一些呢？
However I have proposed this amendment in the hope that the Government will carry through its benevolent act to the end if it really wishes to open a door of convenience . Why can it not do more?
其實，政府過往尤其在面對與性小眾相關的法例時，只想低調處理，不想引起爭議，力圖迴避問題。
In fact in the past especially when facing legislation relating to sexual minorities it just wanted to proceed in a low profile without arousing any controversy trying to evade the question as far as possible
所以，當上屆立法會處理當時由何秀蘭議員提出的修正案時，政府也是採取這種態度。
Consequently when the last - term Legislative Council handled the amendment proposed by Ms Cyd HO the Government adopted this kind of attitude again