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但是，很抱歉的一點是，眾所周知，由於我們現時的特首是一個極度聰明的人，亦可以堪稱香港的首席語言學家，我必須將梁特首所提供給我們的辯解細心咀嚼和分析，代理主席，我相信這毫無冒犯之意。
But I am sorry to point out that as everyone knows our Chief Executive is a very smart person . He can be regarded as the top linguist in Hong Kong . Deputy President with due respect I have to carefully think over and analyse the explanation given to us by the Chief Executive
須知道，特首和白專員可能在其他場合另有會面，他會否在其他場合有所指示？
One should know that the Chief Executive and Commissioner PEH might have met on some other occasions . Did he ever give any orders to him on those other occasions?
我相信公眾也會有興趣探究這些問題。
I believe the public will be interested to find out the answers to these questions
此外，《廉政公署條例》第12條就廉政專員的職責作出規定，當中特別提到："對廉政專員認為與貪污有關連或助長貪污的訂明人員行為進行調查，並就此事向行政長官報告"。
Moreover section 12 of the ICAC Ordinance specifically provides for the duties of the ICAC Commissioner which include to investigate any conduct of a prescribed officer which in the opinion of the Commissioner is connected with or conducive to corrupt practices and to report thereon to the Chief Executive . Deputy President everyone knows that the Chief Executive is the target of an investigation . What should be done in this case?
正如莫乃光議員剛才提及，我們要求公職人員要白過一張白紙，如果白專員在開始時已着緊廉署的名聲的話，究竟他做了甚麼工作？
As Mr Charles Peter MOK just said we want the words and deeds of our public officers to be whiter than a piece of white paper . If Commissioner PEH were so concerned about the reputation of ICAC what has he done since the incident happened?
例如設立任何形式的防火牆，以確保行政長官並沒有就廉署的運作，尤其是牽涉到他本人的調查，作出任何形式的干預。
For instance has he set up a firewall of any kind to ensure that no intervention of any kind can be made from the Chief Executive on the operation of ICAC especially when an investigation concerning the Chief Executive himself is being conducted
我也相信，若然行政長官在這件事情上沒有任何丁點兒的關係，無論我們怎樣調查，翻箱倒篋，把地氈下的塵埃盡掃出來，都不會找到一點痕跡。
I also believe that if the Chief Executive is not in any way related to this incident we will not be able to find anything wrong in the investigation no matter how hard we overturn trunks and boxes or sweep everything out from under the carpet
既然如此，為甚麼我們不藉此機會，還行政長官公道呢？
If so why dont we take this opportunity to do the Chief Executive justice?
說到底，其實我們擔憂和着緊的是，希望坊間、外界對廉署與行政長官這種千絲萬縷的關係最低限度外界看起來是這樣能夠重拾一點公信力。
After all we are so worried and agitated because we want to rebuild public faith in the credibility of the ICAC Commissioner and the Chief Executive who are now caught in an entangled relationship; this is at least the impression that the public have
代理主席，很多同事剛才已經將以往的一段歷史重溫，包括在1970年代初，香港的"反貪污、捉葛柏"運動，當年因為這樣而直接催生了廉署。
Deputy President just now many Members have already recounted the anti - corruption history including the Oppose corruption and apprehend GODBER movement in the 1970s which directly expedited the birth of ICAC
當年總督麥理浩爵士在成立廉署時曾經提到，要全力打擊貪污必須由與政府部門完全獨立的組織負責，而當中最關鍵的字眼正是"獨立"二字。
When ICAC was founded the then incumbent Governor MACLEHOSE said that anti - corruption combat must be carried out by an organization completely independent of government departments . The most crucial word in his remark is independent
香港人一直相信廉署是獨立的公營機構，而要維護獨立的本質，必須確保廉署與任何被調查的對象沒有任何關連，如果遇到任何對廉署不利的傳言或攻擊，更需要調查和證據，小心求證，這才能真正確保廉署的公信力。
It has been a long - standing belief of Hong Kong people that ICAC is an independent public organization . In order to maintain the independent nature of ICAC we must ensure that ICAC does not have any relationship with the target being investigated . Any negative hearsay or attack on ICAC should be carefully investigated and substantiated
代理主席，我注意到立法會很多建制派的同事都以李寶蘭的升遷安排屬於廉署內部事務，又或應該尊重廉署的行政程序，外界不應插手等，作為不希望立法會插手的原因。
This is the right way to safeguard the credibility of ICAC . Deputy President I notice that many pro - establishment Members do not want the Legislative Council to intervene in the Rebecca LI incident saying that her promotion arrangement was an internal affair of ICAC or that we should respect the administrative procedure of ICAC and outsiders should not intervene in the matter so on and so forth
很可悲、很可笑的實情是，其實我們今次引用《條例》提出議案已經是我們的最後一步。
But the pathetic and ridiculous fact is that moving a motion under the Ordinance is already our last resort
須知道，正如有同事剛才提及，在過去一屆的立法會，《條例》其實從來未被成功引用過，究竟《條例》的意義何在呢？
Let us not forget that as some Members have mentioned just now no motion under the Ordinance was passed in the last Legislative Council . What is the use of the Ordinance?
《條例》正正賦予立法機構以人民代表的身份監督行政機關的任何漏洞。
The Ordinance empowers the legislature to be the representative of the people to monitor the executive authorities for any loopholes in their practices
水潑不進的衙門很多時候便會腐爛和生鏽，其實立法會這柄"尚方寶劍"也一樣。
A totally impermeable department will often become a place of decay and corrosion . Actually the same goes for the imperial sword of the Legislative Council
我特別在這裏寄語林鄭司長，我相信她是一位稱職用心的公務員，我也相信林鄭司長眼見廉署的公信力日益消失於香港人心中，理應感到非常心痛，我懇請建制派的同事和政府能夠了解我們的用心，支持今次林卓廷議員提出引用《條例》來調查廉署人事變動問題的議案。
I believe she is a competent and dedicated civil servant . I also believe that having seen the credibility of ICAC disappearing in the hearts of Hong Kong people she will be saddened . I earnestly urge pro - establishment Members and the Government to understand our intention and support the motion moved under the Ordinance by Mr LAM Cheuk - ting to inquire into the personnel reshuffle of ICAC
代理主席，強制性公積金計劃自2000年12月實施至今，市民持續批評基金回報率偏低，行政費用昂貴，因而未能有效保障市民的勞動成果，無法達致"退有所依，老有所享"的目標。
Deputy President since its implementation in December 2000 the Mandatory Provident Fund MPF scheme has been persistently criticized by the public for its low rates of return and exorbitant administrative fees and the resultant failure to effectively protect the fruits of their labour and achieve the goal of giving retirees a sense of support and the elderly a sense of enjoyment
他們要求政府全面檢討強積金制度，甚至徹底取消強積金，以免僱員的退休權益受到進一步蠶食。
In order to prevent the retirement interests of employees from being further eroded members of the public demand the Government to comprehensively review the MPF System or even abolish it for good
這些意見大家都耳熟能詳，但強積金制度至今仍然屹立不倒，從事基金行業的公司長做長有，產品更層出不窮。
Although such views sound familiar the MPF System still survives with fund companies operating long - lasting businesses with the introduction of all sorts of new products
強積金另一個最為人詬病的特點是對沖機制。
MPF is also most severely criticized for its offsetting mechanism
根據《僱傭條例》，當僱員有權按其服務年資，獲得僱主必須支付的遣散費或長期服務金時，僱主可從僱員的強積金供款中，抽取僱主供款部分及其累算權益，以抵銷應該向僱員支付的遣散費或長期服務金。
Under the Employment Ordinance EO if an employee becomes entitled to severance payment or long service payment based on his length of service his employer may withdraw the employers MPF contribution and the accrued benefits from the same to offset the severance payment or long service payment payable to the employee
《僱傭條例》在1974年加入有關遣散費的條文，並在1986年加入有關長期服務金的條文，原意是為了保障僱員。
The original intent of adding provisions related to severance payment and long service payment to EO in 1974 and 1986 respectively was to afford employees protection
若僱員為同一僱主服務滿一段時間後，由於裁員或其他原因遭解僱，亦能獲得一定的補償，以紓緩因失業而面對的財政壓力。
If an employee after serving the same employer for a period of time is dismissed due to retrenchment or other causes he will receive a certain amount of compensation to alleviate the financial pressure faced by him as a result of unemployment
可是，在強積金的對沖安排下，僱員離職時強積金的僱主供款會用作對沖，嚴重偏離了遣散費、長期服務金以至強積金的原意。
Under the MPF offsetting mechanism however the employers MPF contribution will be used for offsetting purpose at the termination of his employment . Such an arrangement has seriously deviated from the original purpose served by severance payment long service payment and even the MPF System
我列舉一些例子說明。
Let me cite some examples for illustration
在立法會工作的議員助理，也需要作出強積金供款。
Members assistants who are working at the Legislative Council are also required to make MPF contributions
直至2012年9月，即10多年後，該名助理服務的議員任期結束，而12年間的僱主供款接近15萬元。
When the tenure of office of the Member served by him terminated after more than a decade in September 2012 the amount of contribution made by the Member as an employer over 12 years was close to 150,000
可是，當該名助理被遣散時，全部僱主供款卻用作對沖遣散費。
However when the assistant was laid off the accumulated contribution made by the employer was used for offsetting severance payments
即使該名議員亦不認同對沖機制，認為立法會應該提供額外遣散費補償，但仍然不得要領，最終只能看着他的助理白白損失15萬元的僱主供款。
Even though the Member did not approve of the offsetting mechanism and considered that additional compensation in the form of severance payments should be provided by the Legislative Council he was still unable to do anything . In the end he could only watch his assistant suffer a loss of 150,000 in employers contribution for no reason
這便是發生在立法會的活生生例子。
It was a living example that occurred in the Legislative Council
以上是相當壞的情況，為何我們仍容許這些情況繼續發生？
These situations were quite bad but why do we allow them to continue all the same?
另外一個相當不理想的情況，就是強積金多次調整僱員最高入息水平和供款上下限，結果導致強積金供款總額高於僱員離職時應得的遣散費或長期服務金，令僱員得不償失。
Another unsatisfactory point is that the maximum level of income and the maximum and minimum contributions made under the MPF scheme have been adjusted numerous times . Consequently the total amount of MPF contributions is higher than the due severance payment or long service payment receivable by an employee when he leaves his job . As a result his loss will outweigh his gain
具體而言，現時強積金的最高入息水平為每月3萬元，全年最高總供款為18,000元。
Specifically the maximum level of income under the MPF scheme now stands at 30,000 a month which means that the total maximum contribution is 18,000 per annum
現時《僱傭條例》訂明，遣散費和長服金的月薪上限為22,500元，折算後每年最高可獲補償為15,000元。
Currently EO stipulates that the monthly wage governing the severance and long service payments is capped at 22,500 which means that the maximum amount of compensation receivable is upon conversion 15,000 per annum
強積金供款總額18,000元，明顯較僱員離職後可獲的補償款額15,000元為高，造成月薪超過22,500元的僱員離職後，很可能無法得到實質補償。
Obviously the total amount of MPF contributions of 18,000 is higher than the amount of compensation of 15,000 receivable by an employee upon quitting his job . As a result an employee earning a monthly wage of more than 22,500 is very likely to be unable to receive substantive compensation at the termination of his employment
有關這個問題，勞工及福利局在去年7月17日，曾就遣散費及長期服務金的月薪計算上限，向立法會人力事務委員會遞交文件，表示鑒於就業人士的月薪中位數為13,000元，政府不建議更改現時適用於遣散費及長期服務金的法定最高款額水平。
Insofar as this issue is concerned in a paper submitted on 17 July last year to the Legislative Council Panel on Manpower regarding the monthly wage caps for calculating severance and long service payments the Labour and Welfare Bureau indicated that since the median monthly employment earning stood at 13,000 the Government would not propose to change the current statutory payment ceilings applicable to severance and long service payments
不過，勞工及福利局上述提及的僱員涵蓋範圍有限，不包括具一定年資或學歷的就業人口，亦不包括我所代表的教育界大部分僱員。
Nevertheless the scope of employees covered as mentioned by the Labour and Welfare Bureau is limited and employees with a certain length of service or qualification including most of the employees in the education sector represented by me are excluded
在資助學校任教的僱員，很可能會享有公積金；但很多在直資學校任教的教師，以及在公營學校任教的合約教師，同樣要向強積金供款，因此他們均會受到影響。
Although teachers in aided schools are very likely to enjoy provident fund benefits many teachers in Direct Subsidy Scheme schools or contract teachers in public sector schools are required to make MPF contributions . Hence they will be affected too
根據政府統計處綜合住戶統計調查按季統計報告，2015年年底總就業人數近兩成，即超過70萬名僱員的每月收入為3萬元以上，這些僱員在離職後很大機會得不到實質金錢補償。
According to the Quarterly Report on General Household Survey published by the Census and Statistics Department as of the end of 2015 the monthly income of nearly 20 % of the total employment population or more than 700 000 employees was more than 30,000 . These employees are very likely to be unable to receive substantive compensation upon quitting their jobs
他們只能無奈地受制於強積金制度下的退休安排，更可能要面對對沖機制的抵銷，變成雙重受害者，最終使有關補償形同虛設。
They can only be gripped helplessly by the retirement arrangements made under the MPF System . What is more they might have to face the offsetting mechanism thereby becoming double victims and the relevant compensation will eventually not serve its purpose at all
有外國養老金專家指出，本港是唯一允許把強積金用作承擔失業救援及退休保障兩種不同用途的地區。
An overseas expert in pensions has pointed out that Hong Kong is the only place where MPF is used to serve two different purposes as unemployment assistance in the form of severance payments and retirement protection
強積金的對沖機制削弱了退休保障的支柱功能，也損害了僱員的權益。
The MPF offsetting mechanism has undermined not only the function of retirement protection as a pillar but also employees interests
在這種情況下，我們必須促請政府......
Under such circumstances we must call upon the Government to abolish the offsetting mechanism expeditiously
主席，相信很多市民都記得，特首梁振英在2012年競選特首時經常說"民生無小事"，而在成功當選行政長官後便說"一張櫈、一本簿、一支筆，你肯講、我肯聽"。
President I believe many people remember that when contending for the office of the Chief Executive in 2012 the incumbent Chief Executive LEUNG Chun - ying said that no livelihood issue is too trivial on various occasions and following his successful election as the Chief Executive he said that with a stool a notebook and a pen I am ready to listen to what you say
過去4年根本乏善足陳，或仍有很多尚未完成的工作。
Nothing commendable has been achieved over the past four years or I should say there are still a lot of outstanding tasks
讓我舉出一個例子，就是最低工資的"兩年一檢"。
Let me cite the bi - annual review of the minimum wage as an example
主席，大家都知道香港的通脹問題非常嚴重，"兩年一檢"只上調數元，試問工友的收入怎能追上通脹？
President it is a well - known fact that the inflation problem is very serious in Hong Kong . As the minimum wage is increased by only several dollars following the bi - annual review how can workers incomes keep pace with inflation?
由2011年至今，港鐵票價已增加超過20%，當局曾否進行檢討呢？
Since 2011 MTR fares have increased by over 20 % but have the authorities conducted any review?
我們不時提出意見，但進展卻十分緩慢。
Though we have often raised our views the progress in this regard is very slow
此外，梁振英在競選政綱提到就標準工時立法，但我們最終看到的是合約工時。
In addition LEUNG Chun - ying talked about enacting legislation on standard working hours in his election manifesto but finally the proposal on contractual working hours is raised instead
長期服務金的情況亦然，員工為公司默默耕耘，獻出他的勞力，但最後所得的補償金竟然只餘自己供款的部分，聽起來也覺荒謬。
The same situation also applies to long service payments . Having quietly dedicated their efforts to their companies employees ultimately find that the compensation they finally received constitutes only their own contributions . How ludicrous!
根據資料顯示，強積金在2010年至2017年的對沖金額超過290億元，這290億元是"打工仔女"的"血汗錢"。
According to information the amount of MPF contributions offset from 2010 to 2017 reached over 29 billion which is the hard - earned money of wage earners
對沖過程完全蠶食了退休保障制度，將其功能淡化，試問我們的"打工仔女"和基層勞工在退休時怎能老有所養？
The offsetting process has totally eroded the retirement protection system and weakens its functions . How can our wage earners and grass - roots workers have financial support in their twilight years after retirement?
在2010年至2014年間，用作對沖的金額佔被提取金額的26%至36%，而在2010年及2011年，用作對沖的金額更比退休及提早退休的金額還要多。
From 2010 to 2014 the amounts offset accounted for 26 % to 36 % of the amounts withdrawn and in 2010 and 2011 the amounts offset were even higher than the amounts withdrawn on grounds of retirement and early retirement
此外，我們亦從很多地區個案得悉，不少工友對於對沖機制非常不滿，而他們大多數是"零散工"或基層勞工。
In addition we learnt from cases in the districts that many workers are very much discontented with the offsetting mechanism and most of them are casual workers or grass - roots workers
我相信其中一個重災區是飲食業，局長亦應該察覺到，很多飲食業經營者不知道是巧合還是有意，很多時候在經營數年後便會倒閉，然後將公司重組。
I think the catering industry is the hardest hit . The Secretary must have realized that many operators in the catering industry will coincidentally or intentionally close their businesses and reorganize their companies after operating for several years
大家都知道，根據香港的公司註冊制度，一名老闆可以不是直屬僱主，於是不 同的公司會不斷聘請同一批員工，不斷鑽法律上的空子，這樣便可以利用這些俗稱"阿公"的款項填補自己的供款。
As we all know under the company registration system of Hong Kong a boss may not be an immediate employer so different companies will keep recruiting the same group of workers to exploit the legal loopholes continuously . In this way employers can make use of the so - called Grandpas money to subsidize their contribution
政府讓部分無良的商界利用這些方法逃避責任，然後運用公帑來承擔他們對僱員應有的僱傭責任，我認為是不合理的。
I think it is unreasonable that the Government should allow some unscrupulous business operators to evade their responsibilities by such means and then use public money to fulfil their duties toward their employees
一個如此迫切的民生議題，一個聲稱會用"一張櫈、一本簿、一支筆"為市民做事的人，到了最後也不過是說些"假大空"的話。
In dealing with a pressing livelihood issue the person who claims to serve the people by carrying a stool a notebook and a pen ends up making some deceptive vague and shallow remarks
因此，主席，我支持黃國健議員所提原議案的方向，同時亦提出了一項修正案。
For this reason President I support the direction of Mr WONG Kwok - kins original motion and I have also proposed an amendment
主席，我謹代表公民黨發言，支持黃國健議員動議的"取消強制性公積金對沖機制"議案。
President on behalf of the Civic Party I speak in support of the motion on Abolishing the Mandatory Provident Fund offsetting mechanism moved by Mr WONG Kwok - kin
敝黨一向反對強制性公積金的累算權益可與遣散費和長期服務金對沖的安排。
Our Party has always been opposed to the arrangement that allows the offsetting of severance payments and long service payments with Mandatory Provident Fund MPF accrued benefits
我們認為，設立強積金原意是為了保障"打工仔"的退休生活，但現時的強積金對沖機制卻倒果為因，用來保障僱主的權益。
In our view the original intent of setting up MPF was to protect the retirement life of wage earners . But the existing MPF offsetting mechanism has put the cart before the horse which serves to protect the interests of employers
主席，對沖機制已嚴重改變強積金的原意；強積金已變成僱主的遣散費基金。
President the offsetting mechanism has severely altered the original intent of MPF . MPF has become a fund for employers to make severance payments
現時除法例註明的特殊情況外，強積金並不容許"打工仔"提早取出強積金，但諷刺的是，對沖機制卻賦予僱主特權，當他們要遣散員工時，便可從強積金中提取遣散費，這樣一來，強積金變相成為僱主的遣散費基金。
At present except under special circumstances stated in the law MPF does not allow wage earners to make early withdrawal . But ironically the offsetting mechanism has conferred privileges on employers . When they wish to lay off their staff members they can draw on MPF to make severance payments
剛才有同事提到，強積金已有15年歷史，並有高達280億元供款被用作對沖。
In that case MPF has in turn become a fund for employers to make severance payments . Earlier on an Honourable colleague mentioned that MPF had a history of 15 years and up to 28 billion of contributions were used for offsetting purposes
事實上，強制性公積金計劃管理局向扶貧委員會提交的意見書亦提及，在2015年強積金被對沖的個案中，抵銷款額平均 佔強積金戶口結餘的51%，又或是佔僱主部分的強積金戶口結餘的93%。
In fact the submission of the Mandatory Provident Fund Schemes Authority to the Commission on Poverty also mentioned that among the cases in which MPF benefits were offset in 2015 the amount of offsetting claims accounted for 51 % of the account balance or 93 % of the employers portion of account balance on average
即是僱主供款部分差不多被"清倉"。
That means almost all the employer contributions have been washed away
在這情況下，僱主應盡的責任實際上去了哪裏？
In that case what is the actual responsibility borne by employers?
"打工仔"的保障又餘下多少？
And how much protection is left for wage earners?
主席，香港算不上是福利社會，香港政府對基層工人的保障本來就很少，而香港的經濟結構實際上對基層員工也是非常不利，強積金對沖機制則進一步令"打工仔"失去應有的保障和補償。
President Hong Kong cannot be considered a welfare society . The protection for grass - roots workers by the Hong Kong Government has been little and in fact the local economic structure also puts grass - roots employees in a most unfavourable position . The MPF offsetting mechanism has further deprived wage earners of their due protection and compensation
社會上不斷出現一些慘不忍睹的情況：當基層工人遇上無良僱主，便會不斷被遣散，而基層工人的強積金亦不斷被對沖。
Appalling cases are commonplace in society When grass - roots workers work for unscrupulous employers they will be retrenched time and again and their MPF benefits will continually be offset
此外，合約制員工受對沖機制的影響更為深遠和嚴重，當他們到達退休年齡時，其強積金結餘亦所剩無幾。
Moreover staff members on contract terms are subject to a more far - reaching and serious impact inflicted by the offsetting mechanism . When they reach retirement age they will have hardly any MPF balance left
退一步來看，強積金對沖機制在在顯示現行政治制度有必要廢除功能界別。
If we take a step back we will clearly see the need to abolish functional constituencies FCs in the existing political system because of the presence of the MPF offsetting mechanism
回看歷史，政府當年為了爭取僱主所屬的功能界別支持強積金計劃，才特別容許強積金可與遣散費和長期服務金對沖。
Reviewing history in those days the Government particularly permitted the offsetting of severance payments and long service payments with MPF benefits only because it had to secure support from those FCs the members of which were employers for the MPF System
當然，除了商界的功能界別外，當年代表勞方談判的工聯會其實亦要負上一定責任。
Certainly apart from those FCs representing the business sector the Hong Kong Federation of Trade Unions FTU which participated in the negotiation as the labour representative back then should actually bear a certain share of the responsibility
當年工聯會鄭耀棠在勞資雙方談判時最終接受了強積金對沖安排，延禍至今，資方現時仍然一步不讓，不肯取消對沖安排。
In the negotiation between employers and employees back then CHENG Yiu - tong of FTU eventually accepted the MPF offsetting arrangement which still wreaks havoc today . Employers have so far made no compromise at all reluctant to abolish the offsetting arrangement
主席，我們作為有良心的政黨，不得不反對吳永嘉議員提出的修正案。
President as members of a political party with conscience we are obliged to oppose the amendment proposed by Mr Jimmy NG
吳議員的修正案指強積金對沖機制一直"運作良好"，我相信他可能只把僱主視作香港人，才有這種說法。
According to Mr NGs amendment the MPF offsetting mechanism has all along been functioning effectively . I believe he has made such a remark probably because he just sees employers as Hongkongers
事實上，取消強積金對沖機制是否真的會大大增加營商壓力？
In fact will the abolition of the MPF offsetting mechanism add substantial pressure to business operation?
正如香港大學王于漸教授在評論強積金對沖機制時亦特別強調，僱主其實得以將遣散費與長期服務金的成本轉嫁到員工身上。
In a commentary on the MPF offsetting mechanism Prof WONG Yue - chim of the University of Hong Kong also particularly stressed that it actually allowed employers to pass on the cost of severance payments and long service payments to employees
遣散費和長期服務金本應是僱主的責任，並不會構成甚麼營商壓力，他們不能用如此冠冕堂皇的言詞推搪不取消對沖安排。
The burden of severance payments and long service payments is supposed to be borne by employers which should not constitute any so - called business pressure . They should not use it as such a high - sounding excuse for not abolishing the offsetting arrangement
主席，敝黨亦反對蔣麗芸議員提出的修正案。
President our Party also opposes the amendment proposed by Dr CHIANG Lai - wan
我們認為，承擔僱員遣散費和長期服務金的責任應該在僱主身上，完全不應由納稅人透過政府承擔。
In our opinion the burden of making severance payments and long service payments to employees should be borne by employers . It is totally inappropriate to be borne by taxpayers through the Government
對於田北辰議員的修正案，我們亦難以支持。
We also find it hard to support Mr Michael TIENs amendment
我們認為，長期服務金是僱主對僱員的責任，亦是《僱傭條例》中對勞工的一種保障。
We consider that the provision of long service payments is a responsibility of employers to employees as well as a kind of labour protection stipulated in the Employment Ordinance
我們實在看不到有任何理由可以一方面取消對沖遣散費，但卻不取消對沖長期服務金，這樣絕對說不通。
We really see no reason why the offsetting of severance payments can be abolished on the one hand while the offsetting of long service payments is retained on the other . This absolutely does not hold water
正如多位同事剛才提到，現任行政長官梁振英在2012年競選時曾提出："逐步降低強積金戶口內僱主累積供款權益用作抵銷僱員長期服務金及遣散費的比例"。
As mentioned by a number of Honourable colleagues earlier on the incumbent Chief Executive LEUNG Chun - ying stated during the election campaign in 2012 that he would adopt measures to progressively reduce the proportion of accrued benefits attributed to employers contribution in the MPF account that can be applied by the employer to offset long service or severance payments
主席，在我結束陳辭前，我希望提醒代表商界的議員，我不相信商界是如此自私自利，我亦不相信商界會認為躲在對沖機制後面便能逃避責任。
President before concluding my speech I wish to remind Members representing the business sector that I do not believe the business sector will act in such a selfish way nor do I believe the business sector will think that they can evade the responsibility by using the offsetting mechanism as a shield
當然，在制度下，他們一定要用盡其權利，但他們是否也可能希望承擔企業責任？
Certainly under the system they must exhaust their rights . But is it possible that they also wish to shoulder corporate responsibilities?
我希望政府能夠聽到我們的聲音，亦讓商界一盡良心企業的本分，讓他們示範香港仍然是一個有良心的地方。
I hope the Government can hear our voices and allow members in the business sector to do their part as conscientious enterprises so that they can be a role model to show that Hong Kong is still a place where there is conscience