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我認為議員是有時間發言的，而且議會也不是唯一讓議員發表意見的場合。
In my opinion Members do have enough time to speak and this Council is not the only place where they can express their views
陳志全議員，我的裁決不容辯論。
Mr CHAN Chi - chuen my ruling is not subject to debate
我正在作出解釋，其實我是無須解釋的。
I am trying to give an explanation but in fact I am not obliged to explain
《議事規則》第83A條只規定議員就某項事宜發言前，或動議議案或修正案前，須披露個人金錢利益；第84條則規範議員在有直接金錢利益的情況下表決或退席的事宜。
RoP 83A only requires a Member to disclose the nature of any personal pecuniary interest before speaking on the matter or moving any motion or amendment relating to that matter . RoP 84 on the other hand provides for the voting or withdrawal in case of direct pecuniary interest
《議事規則》並無條文規範立法會主席主持立法會會議的利益或角色衝突事宜。
There is no provision in RoP governing the conflict of interest or roles of the President of the Legislative Council when chairing the Council meeting
事實上，就本會現時處理修訂《議事規則》的議案，我並無任何金錢利益。
In fact with regard to the present motions to amend RoP I do not have any pecuniary interest
我亦不認為由我主持會議處理這議程項目，會產生任何利益或角色衝突問題。
I therefore do not think that my chairing of this agenda item will give rise to any conflict of interest or roles
況且，立法會會議一向公開進行，我是否公平公正主持會議，自會受到公眾監察。
What is more Council meetings are always open to the public and whether I have chaired the meetings in a fair and impartial manner is therefore subject to public scrutiny
我會一如以往，繼續按照《基本法》和《議事規則》的規定以及有關慣例，去主持立法會會議及作出裁決。
I will continue to chair the meetings of this Council and make rulings according to the Basic Law RoP and the relevant practices as in the past
楊岳橋議員、譚文豪議員、郭家麒議員、朱凱廸議員、涂謹申議員、黃碧雲議員、張超雄議員、林卓廷議員、胡志偉議員、葉建源議員及尹兆堅議員亦已作出預告，就廖長江議員的擬議決議案動議修訂議案。
Mr Alvin YEUNG Mr Jeremy TAM Dr KWOK Ka - ki Mr CHU Hoi - dick Mr James TO Dr Helena WONG Dr Fernando CHEUNG Mr LAM Cheuk - ting Mr WU Chi - wai Mr IP Kin - yuen and Mr Andrew WAN have also given notice to move amending motions to Mr Martin LIAOs proposed resolution
本會會就該12項擬議決議案及23項修訂議案進行合併辯論，然後進行表決。
This Council will proceed to a joint debate on the 12 proposed resolutions and 23 amending motions and then the voting
我在今天中午暫停會議後，與不同黨派議員進行了詳盡溝通。
After the meeting was suspended at noon today I had a good communication with Members belonging to different political parties and groupings
我向他們表示，若各黨派議員能就修訂《議事規則》的辯論安排達成協議，我願意根據有關協議，調整辯論安排。
I told them if they could agree on the arrangements for the debate on the motions to amend the Rules of Procedure RoP I would be happy to adjust the debate arrangements based on their agreement
然而，經長時間的反覆討論，不同黨派的議員仍然無法就辯論安排達成協議。
However after prolonged and repeated discussions Members from different political parties and groupings were unable to reach an agreement on the debate arrangements
因此，我決定維持我的裁決，依照原定安排，處理修訂《議事規則》的議案。
I therefore decided to affirm my ruling and deal with the motions to amend RoP as originally planned
鑒於有大量修訂議案需要研究，過往並無先例由個別議員作出預告，在立法會會議上動議擬議決議案以修改《議事規則》，甚至在議事規則委員會處理該等修訂建議之前或之際，作出有關的預告。在這樣的情況之下，議事規則委員會決定集中審視某項修訂建議是否看似沒有任何憲制或法律後果，以及出席會議的議事規則委員會委員對應否作出相關修訂建議有否共識，議事規則......
Given that there are a large number of amendment proposals to be dealt with and there is no precedent for individual Members to give notice to move proposed resolutions to amend RoP at a Council meeting not even to give notice before or during the handling of such amendment proposals by CRoP hence CRoP has decided to focus on examining a particular amendment proposal which does not seem to have any constitutional or legal consequence
請各位議員肅靜。
Will Members please remain silent
主席，我現在根據《議事規則》第91條，動議暫停執行《議事規則》第344條及第44條。
President I now move to suspend RoP 344 and 44 according to RoP 91
雖然主席已經把12項擬議決議案合併辯論，但我現在根據《基本法》第七十五條，動議把修訂《議事規則》的擬議決議案分拆辯論，即按照平常的做法，就每項議案進行辯論。
Although the President has grouped 12 proposed resolutions under a joint debate I now move to separate the debate on the proposed resolutions to amend RoP under Article 75 of the Basic Law meaning that each motion will be debated separately in accordance with the normal practice
我請議員返回座位，我不想剝奪你們的發言權，請返回座位。
I urge Members to return to their seats . I do not wish to deprive you of your right to speak . Please return to your seats
我再次請議員返回座位。
Again I urge Members to return to their seats
你們這樣做令議會無法正常運作，亦剝奪其他議員的發言權利。
What you are doing has rendered the normal operation of Council impossible while depriving other Members of their right to speak
請注意，並非法案委員會，剛才有些泛民議員表示立法會成立了法案委員會，其實不然，是《〈2017年實習律師規則〉公告》小組委員會。
Please note that the committee so formed was not a Bills Committee . Some pan - democratic Members said that the Legislative Council had formed a Bills Committee . They were wrong
開會時間有多長？
How long did that meeting last?
9時開始，9時23分便已結束會議，並非如同部分泛民議員所說，舉行了1個多小時的會議。
It started at 9col00 and ended at 9col23 . It was therefore wrong for some pan - democratic Members to say that the meeting lasted for over an hour
23分鐘的會議時間已包含選舉主席、香港律師會代表發言，以及委員討論。
In these 23 minutes of meeting time there were the election of Chairman the presentation of views by The Law Society of Hong Kong and the discussion by members
換言之，實際的討論時間不足20分鐘。
In other words less than 20 minutes were actually spent on the discussion
立法會去年全年只有8項附屬法例議員要求察悉。
For the whole of the last legislative session the Council was only requested to take note of eight items of subsidiary legislation
主席，這次《議事規則》的修訂對立法會未來監察政府的權力影響至巨，我相信難以在短期內更改或糾正。
President the proposed amendments to RoP will have far - reaching implication on the power of the Legislative Council to monitor the Government in the future which I believe can hardly be changed or rectified in the short run
我十分質疑主席剛才說一定要進行合併辯論的理據。
I have serious doubt about the justification given by the President earlier about the need to conduct a joint debate
《議事規則》有不同條文，有些條文是關於議事程序，但有些條文關乎例如以提交呈請書的方式成立 專責委員會，這是立法會監察政府重大政治醜聞的最重要工具。
There are many provisions under RoP some are related to procedural matters and some are concerned with inter alia the presentation of petitions for appointing a select committee which is the most important tool of the Legislative Council in monitoring major political scandal of the Government
我認為主席的裁決極不公允。
I find the ruling of the President extremely unfair
完全與言論自由無關，與公眾利益無關，與"民生無小事"無關，與根據《基本法》第七十三條監察政府無關，與大律師5年年資、律師兩年年資無關，與任何爭議都無關！
The Notice has absolutely nothing to do with freedom of speech public interests and peoples livelihood; it has absolutely nothing to do with Members duty to monitor the Government under Article 73 of the Basic Law or the five - year experience as a barrister or the two - year experience as a solicitor . It has nothing to do with any controversy!
很多同事說不想修改《議事規則》，因為會令議員失去"拉布"的空間、言論自由，以及監察政府的能力。
Many colleagues said that they objected to the amendment of the Rules of Procedure RoP because it would deprive Members of the room for filibustering the freedom of speech and the power to monitor the Government
然而，正正是由於現時很多同事採取"拉布"策略，令議會失去監察政府的時間和能力。
However it is exactly due to the filibustering tactic now employed by many Members that the Council has lost its time and power to monitor the Government
主席，本人謹以議事規則委員會主席的身份，動議通過議程所載的擬議決議案，對香港特別行政區立法會《議事規則》，作出屬本文修訂性質的修訂。
President in my capacity as Chairman of the Committee on Rules of Procedure CRoP I move that the proposed resolution as printed on the Agenda be passed so as to make textual amendments to the Rules of Procedure of the Legislative Council of the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region RoP
該等修訂將《議事規則》中各包含"擧"字的條文內的"擧"字，以"舉"取代。
Such amendments seek to replace the Chinese character 擧 by 舉 in all provisions containing the Chinese character 擧 in RoP
議事規則委員會在2017年11月6日的會議上，處理了由48位議員就修改《議事規則》而提出的建議，有關修訂建議是由立法會主席根據《議事規則》第741條，交付議事規則委員會研究，同時委員會亦已考慮部分委員會對該等建議的修訂。
At its meeting of 6 November 2017 CRoP dealt with 48 Members proposals to amend RoP which were referred to it for examination by the President of the Legislative Council under RoP 741 . CRoP also considered the amendments proposed by some of its members to those proposals
鑒於有大量修訂須予研究，而過往並無先例由個別議員藉作出預告，在立法會會議上動議擬議決議案以修改......
Given the voluminous amendments that had to be examined and no precedence of individual Members giving notice to move proposed resolutions to amend RoP at a Council meeting
主席，剛才兵荒馬亂，我未有機會讀出內容。
President just now the situation was so chaotic that I did not have a chance to read out the contents
主席，我動議載列於講稿附錄的擬議決議案。
President I move my proposed resolution as set out in the Appendix to the Script
批准落實對《議事規則》的修訂建議，否則議事規則委員會將不會繼續處理該項修訂建議，而原倡議人可自行考慮是否以個人身份就其修訂建議作出預告，尋求立法會主席批准提出修訂建議。
The proposal to amend RoP has been approved otherwise CRoP would not deal with that amendment proposal . Thus the mover may consider giving notice to move the amendment proposal in his own capacity and seek the Presidents approval of his proposals
委員會經討論後，只就莫乃光議員的建議達成共識，即把《議事規則》第1、4、12、13、14及15條內的"擧"字以"舉"字取代。
After discussions CRoP was only able to reach a consensus on Mr Charles Peter MOKs proposal to replace the Chinese character 擧 by 舉 in RoP 1 4 12 13 14 and 15
在兵荒馬亂的情況下，我會盡力而為。
In such a chaotic situation I will do my best
表面上，很多反對派同事認為"拉布"是他們應有的權利，但事實上，在世界其他地方的議會採用的"拉布"。真正健康及容許的"拉布"，是有需要就某些重要議案爭取時間和空間，讓社會大眾多些留意議題才可以這樣做。
It appears that many opposition Members consider filibustering their entitled right but in fact in overseas legislatures healthy and permissible filibustering will only take place when there is a need to buy time and space for certain important motions with a view to heightening the awareness of the general public on the subject under discussion
但是，今時今日反對派及非建制派所進行的"拉布"是"塔利班式的拉布"，是粗暴的"拉布"，甚至是漠視所有規則的"拉布"，已達至令人忍無可忍的地步。
And yet nowadays the filibustering staged by Members from the opposition and non - establishment camps is filibustering in Taliban style being brutal with no regard to all rules . The situation has now become utterly unacceptable
我會待謝偉俊議員發言完畢，才處理規程問題。
I will deal with the points of order after Mr Paul TSE has finished speaking
謝偉俊議員，請稍停。
Mr Paul TSE please hold on
請各位議員返回座位。
Will Members please return to their seats
主席，今時今日議會有70位議員，但現時的門檻只需要20位議員......
President now there are 70 Members in the Legislative Council but the current threshold requires only 20 Members
主席，我要求你作出裁決，我認為被謝偉俊議員冒犯了，請你裁決。
President I request your ruling . I consider myself having been offended by Mr Paul TSE . Please make a ruling
謝偉俊議員，請繼續發言。
Mr Paul TSE please continue
主席，今時今日這門檻只須在70位議員中有20位議員便可，只是28.6%，已經是非常低的了。
President now this threshold requires only 20 of the 70 Members to show their support accounting for merely 28.6 % which is very low
對，他們只是玩弄心理技巧，不斷說如果我們這樣做，他們便無法針對這些人士。
Right they would just play tricks with psychological skills and keep saying that if we do this they will be unable to target these people
一個很簡單的例子是黎智英先生涉嫌違法提供政治獻金。
A very simple example is the suspected illegal offer of political donations by Mr Jimmy LAI
主席，以往進行合併議論的議題是有密切關係的。
President the subjects for joint debates held previously were closely related
現在議員糾纏於規程問題上，我也盡量容忍，但我不會對此再作回應。
I have tried to be as tolerant as possible when Members kept raising points of order but I am not going to respond anymore
主席，以往進行合併辯論的議題是有密切關係的。
President the subjects for joint debates held previously were closely related
2013年7月17日處理根據《強制性公積金計劃條例》提出的兩項決議案；2014年10月30日黃毓民前議員及你作為內務委員會主席，分別根據《立法會條例》提出兩項有關雨傘運動的議案，均針對相同的事宜，我們就此進行合併辯論。
For example the two proposed resolutions under the Mandatory Provident Fund Schemes Ordinance dealt with on 17 July 2013; and the two motions on Umbrella Movement moved respectively by former Member WONG Yuk - man and you in the capacity of Chairman of the House Committee under the Legislative Council Ordinance on 30 October 2014 they were related to the same subject and thus joint debates were held
主席，這是否一個公平的合併辯論？
President is this a fair joint debate?
請主席裁決。
Will the President please rule on this
由於所有擬議決議案均是根據《基本法》第七十五條提出修改《議事規則》，因此屬同一主題，因此我決定進行合併辯論。
Given that all the proposed resolutions are moved under Article 75 of the Basic Law to amend RoP they do have the same subject and I therefore decided to conduct a joint debate
"我想他澄清這句說話是否屬實。
I would like him to elucidate if he did make this remark
主席，首先，這句話並非針對個別議員；其次，這句話只是比喻他們"拉布"的瘋狂和恐怖程度，並沒有冒犯性。
President first the remark does not target any individual Member . Second it is just an analogy that describes how crazy and terrible their filibustering is . It is not offensive
我只是針對瘋狂"拉布"的現象，沒有特別指控某位議員，請主席明察。
I was only targeting the crazy phenomenon of filibustering . I did not make any accusation of any particular Member . May I seek the Presidents wise judgment
這便是政治現實，我相信很多人也想揭破黎智英政治捐獻的醜聞，把事件提交立法會便是要透過委員會作出調查，但最後卻不能做到，因為我們尊重《議事規則》，亦包括郭榮鏗議員不斷提出很多法律上的問題，造成阻滯......
This is precisely the political reality . I believe many people wished to uncover the scandal of political donations from Jimmy LAI and the purpose of referring this incident to the Legislative Council was to carry out an investigation through the committee but eventually in vain . It was because we respected the Rules of Procedure RoP and there was also Mr Dennis KWOK continuously raising many points of law and causing obstacles
我只是在舉出例子說明政治現實便是政治現實，有時候事情做不到便是做不到，包括如果不能通過P&P便不能通過，但不能濫用這個歷史上根本不是作此用途的機制、濫用現時相對低的門檻，不斷提出申請，而這些申請表面上好像不是一個......
I was only citing an example to explain that political reality is political reality and sometimes when we cannot achieve something then the fact is that we cannot achieve it; likewise if the P P motion is passed it just does not work but we cannot abuse this mechanism which is primarily not intended to be used for such a purpose historically; nor can we abuse the existing relatively low threshold by continuously making requests and on the surface these requests do not appear to be
主席，謝偉俊議員剛才發言時引述我在議員個人利益監察委員會會議上所說的話。
President in his speech just now Mr Paul TSE cited what I had said at meetings of the Committee on Members Interests CMI
主席，請你作出裁決。
President please make a ruling
剛才謝偉俊議員說"護主心切"，他有否這樣說？
Earlier on Mr Paul TSE said that Members were eager to shield their master . Did he say so?
本會會就修改《議事規則》的議案進行合併辯論，每位議員可發言15分鐘。
This Council will have a joint debate on the motions to amend RoP and each Member may speak for 15 minutes
當然，動議議案的議員有多於一次發言機會。
Of course the movers of the motions can speak more than once
我的書面裁決已作詳細解釋。
I have explained in detail in my written ruling
按照《議事規則》第42a條，在立法會會議進行中，議員在舉止上須保持莊重，議員亦不得違反《議事規則》第42b條，在會議期間橫越立法會會場。
Under RoP 42a Members shall act with decorum during a meeting of the Council and shall not cross the floor of the Council in breach of RoP 42b
我今天看到和聽到， 並已觀察了一段很長時間，尹兆堅議員在發言中不停煽動其他議員叫喊，而且有議員佔領會議廳中央，我認為這兩種情況異於尋常。
I have seen and heard today after a long period of observation that Mr Andrew WAN kept inciting other Members to shout in the course of his speech . Besides some Members have occupied the floor in the middle of the Chamber . I find both situations most abnormal
主席剛才提及《立法會條例》，該條例第17條對藐視罪作出規定，訂明凡任何人不服務從立法會的合法命令，或者在立法會舉行會議時引起擾亂，致令立法會的會議程序中斷，即屬犯罪。
Just now the President mentioned the Legislative Council Ordinance Cap . 382 in which section 17 provides for the definition of contempts and that is any person who disobeys any lawful order made by the Council or creates any disturbance which interrupts the proceedings of the Council while the Council is sitting commits an offence
這情況已發生過兩次，可處罰款1萬元及監禁12個月；如果行為持續，另加每天罰款2,000元。
This situation has already arisen twice . Offenders are liable to a fine of 10,000 and to imprisonment for 12 months and in the case of a continuing offence to a further fine of 2,000 for each day
主席，我希望你作出裁決，而且今天也應把哪些沒有依從主席的指示返回座位的議員記錄在案，謝謝。
President I hope you will make a ruling . Moreover the names of the Members who did not return to their seats as directed by the President today should be put on record . Thank you
我剛才聽到黃碧雲議員不斷提到英聯邦有數十年......不，是數百年歷史，累積文化精粹。
Just now I heard Dr Helena WONG say repeatedly that the Commonwealth has a history of decades no a history of several hundred years during which it has made outstanding cultural achievements
所謂"治世不一道，便國不法古"，只要是合適的時間，我們便要改變，以適應時代。
As the saying goes There is more than one way to govern the world and there is no necessity to imitate antiquity in order to take appropriate measures for the state . We should introduce changes at the appropriate time to keep abreast of the times
第一，我剛才沒有指名道姓，但何俊賢議員現在卻指名道姓質疑我思覺失調，令我心靈受創。
First I did not mention any name in particular but Mr HO named me and queried if I was suffering from psychotic disorder . I felt hurt psychologically
你已清楚表達你的感受。
You have clearly expressed how you felt
今次我們討論修改《議事規則》，下一項議程便會進行。
Today we shall have a discussion on amending the Rules of Procedure which is the next item on the Agenda
毛孟靜議員，你有甚麼規程問題？
Ms MO what is your point of order?
毛孟靜議員求點算法定人數，但本會現在有足夠法定人數。
Ms MO requested a headcount but a quorum is present now
反對派的"拉布"技巧相較世界其他地方的技術含量低得多。
Opposition Members technique in filibustering is much lower than their counterparts in other parts of the world
此外，反對派最近的技巧，可能顯示他們已黔驢技窮，大家看看他們桌前的展示板，所寫的是"今 日改《議事規則》，明天23條立法"，其實在邏輯上已經錯，我至今仍想不通當中的邏輯為何。
Besides considering the recent techniques used by opposition Members it seems that they are at their wits end . Take a look at the words on the placards displayed in front of the bench Amending RoP today; legislating for Article 23 tomorrow . That is logically wrong
我希望各位市民真正聆聽建制派議員所說的事實，希望給市民清晰的圖像，並記錄在立法會會議紀錄上。
I hope that the public will really listen to the facts as told by pro - establishment Members and form a clear picture of what is happening and that these things will be recorded in the Record of Official Proceedings of the Legislative Council
主席，如果你要有講稿才能解釋，不如你先行暫停會議，做好工夫，然後再向我們解釋。
President if you need to have a script in order to give an explanation you may first suspend the meeting to get ready for an explanation
我認為，主席今天對我們的很多問題都未有回答，匆匆進入這個議程項目的討論，後果將不能彌補。
In my view President you have failed to answer many of our questions today . If we rush into discussing this agenda item the consequence will be irreparable
所以，主席，你絕對有理由花一點時間讓所有議員提出規程問題，而你也要提供充分合理的解釋，我們才能進入下一個項目。
Therefore President it is fully justified for you to spare some time for Members to raise points of order . You must also give us adequate and sound explanations before we can proceed to the next item
主席，我發言支持由楊岳橋議員提出的中止待續議案。原因很簡單，因為我們根本反對建制派提出多項《議事規則》的修訂。
President I rise to speak in support of the adjournment motion proposed by Mr Alvin YEUNG for the simple reason that we fundamentally oppose the many amendments to the Rules of Procedure RoP proposed by the pro - establishment camp
主席，有很多人都說，新一個立法會會期開始後，會議的情況是不正常的。
President many people have said that since the commencement of the new session of the Legislative Council the conditions of meetings have been abnormal
可能有些人覺得情況不正常，便要令它回復正常，要解決問題。
Perhaps some people consider the conditions abnormal and so it is necessary to resume normal in order to solve the problem
我們要做的工作，如審議法案、通過撥款等事項，這些立法會常規要做的工作，本來可以很正常地進行。
Our work such as scrutiny of bills and approval of funding―routine functions of the Legislative Council―could have been conducted normally
但是，一不留神，在今年立法會會期開始的前後，我們便知悉，原來建制派已經一直部署一項計劃，就是要修改《議事規則》。
However in an unguarded moment around the beginning of this session of the Legislative Council we learnt that the pro - establishment camp had been devising a plan to amend RoP
有關修改《議事規則》，我剛才聽到謝偉俊議員說這是一顆"原子彈"。
As regards amendment of RoP I heard Mr Paul TSE say just now it is an atomic bomb
不過，不知為何建制派似乎覺得，將這些權力在《議事規則》更清楚寫明，是如此重要。
However I do not know why the pro - establishment camp seems to think that it is so important to clearly set out such power in RoP
但是，這麼多建制派都明白這個道理，卻不知是聽了誰的說話，甚至命令，而一定要這樣做。
Nevertheless even though so many Members from the pro - establishment camp understand the reason they are bent on doing it . I wonder if they have heeded someones words or even orders
很可惜，建制派可能真的因為是建制派，是不會這樣做的，只會按指示做，導致現時這個局面。
Unfortunately perhaps because the pro - establishment camp is really pro - establishment that they would not do so but would do as instructed leading to the current situation
其實，我以前都說過，在全世界的議會中，真是看不到現時這種狀況。
Indeed I have previously said that the current situation will not be found to be happening in any parliament over the world
第一，多位議員幾經辛苦獲選進入議會，即大部分議員都是經選舉晉身立法會，甚至包括部分功能界別。
First a number of Members worked so hard to be elected to the Council meaning the majority of Members joined the Legislative Council through elections even including some functional constituency Members
大家也要辛苦努力才當選進入議會，怎會有人獲選入議會後，便說要限制自己做議員的權力，或是限制整個議會的權力呢？
As we have all made great efforts to be elected to the Council why would some people after being elected to the Council talk about limiting their powers as Members or that of the Council as a whole?
有心進入議會服務市民的議員，是想監察政府，有甚麼理由反過來做呢？
Members who aspire to joining the Council to serve people want to monitor the Government so why would they do the opposite?
所以，削去一些權力沒所謂，反正建制派未必真心希望監察政府和改變政府的做法。
Hence it is fine to take away some of the powers for the pro - establishment camp may not truly want to monitor the Government and change its practices
說得難聽點，這些修正案似乎真的有點"掛羊頭賣狗肉"，當中很多根本與所謂"剪布"無關，而且會產生很多不良的副作用，令整個議會的氣氛惡化。
In unpleasant terms these amendments seem to be a bit crying wine but selling vinegar . Many of them are absolutely not related to the so - called cutting off of filibusters and will produce many adverse side effects that exacerbate the atmosphere of the entire Council
建制派提出對議會制度的修訂，真的會令我們思考，其實他們進入議會是為了甚麼呢？
The amendments proposed by the pro - establishment camp do make us ponder what is their purpose of seeking election to the Council?
他們經常在這裏說要有效率，效率當然需要，但是在如此不正常的情況下，說效率？
They often talk about efficiency here . Efficiency is certainly necessary but they talk about efficiency under such abnormal circumstances?
效率即是政府說甚麼便做甚麼，自動"保皇"、自動通過議案，這樣何來監察政府？
Efficiency means completion of whatever the Government says auto - pro - Government and auto - passage of motions . How can the Government be monitored in this way?
第二，這麼多年來，香港的選舉一直是受到很大操控的所謂民主但實質不民主的選舉。
Second over the years elections in Hong Kong have been the so - called democratic yet de facto undemocratic elections subjected to great manipulation
看回這麼多年來的選舉，誰應該是多數派，誰應該當反對派呢？
Looking back at the elections over the years who should be the majority and who should be the opposition?
但是，他們安坐這裏做多數派，做建制派。
Nonetheless here they are sitting happily to be the majority and the pro - establishment camp
但是，大家都知道，實情並非如此。
But we all know that it is not so in reality
所以，今天看到這麼多不正常情況，就是源於這個不正常的議會和不正常的制度。
Hence the many abnormalities we see today are due to the abnormal Council and the abnormal system
這個制度怎會是正常？
How can the system be normal?
你告訴我這是正常，怎麼可能？
You tell me it is normal but how can it possibly be?
長久以來，他們在選舉裏面把意見表達出來。
For a long time they have expressed their views in elections
所以，如果建制派再用這個邏輯，在議會裏面批評我們的做法，真的很不對。
So the pro - establishment camp is really wrong to continue to apply this logic and criticize our actions in the Council
主席，說到"剪布"，大家看到所謂"拉布"情況。
President as regards cutting off of filibusters we have all seen the so - called filibusters in the Council
這麼多年來，在立法會裏面，很多議員經常說，香港的"拉布"，最初是建制派"發明"。
Over the years in the Legislative Council many Members have often commented that the filibustering in Hong Kong is initially invented by the pro - establishment camp
所以，最後我們決定用一個簡單直接的方法向市民解釋："今日改《議事規則》，明天23條立法"。
As a result at last we decided to use a simple and direct way of explanation to the people Amending RoP today; legislating for Article 23 tomorrow
市民要明白，當出現真正的惡法，政府完全不聆聽反對惡法的議員的意見時，便可以用這樣的手段。
People need to understand that when the real draconian law emerges the Government can employ the same means to completely shut off views of Members opposing such draconian law
所以，我們討論《議事規則》這些修訂，好像很抽離，但是，其實是與市民息息相關，因為"今日改《議事規則》，明天23條立法"。
Therefore it seems detached for us to discuss these amendments to RoP but they are closely related to the people because Amending RoP today; legislating for Article 23 tomorrow
代理主席，因為有議員在整項中止待續議案的辯論中提及我的名字，我無法不回應幾句。
Deputy President as some Members mentioned my name in the debate on the adjournment motion I have no choice but to respond briefly
雖然收起兩根木棒也被他打了10多小時，拳打腳踢已經遍體鱗傷，但總好過再被這兩根木棒打，傷上加傷。
Even after the sticks were taken away the people were beaten and kicked for more than 10 hours and were seriously injured but it was still better than suffering more blows with the sticks
有時候，當你洞悉世情時便會會心微笑，因為你和我也知道大家現時在議事堂正做些甚麼，心照吧。
When you realize how things work in life you will have a smile of understanding . You and I know what Members are really doing here in the Chamber . I think we have a tacit understanding
代理主席，我不"拉布"了，謹此發言。
Deputy President I will not filibuster . I so submit
如果沒有，是否有官員想發言？
If not does any public officer wish to speak?