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第二，政府至今沒有交出全部文件，我們只能以今天這方法，再次要求政府提交相關文件。
Second as the Government has yet to provide all the documents we can only use this method to once again request the Government to submit the relevant documents
首先，當議員要求當局提交討論發展皇后山及橫洲土地計劃的跨部門小組會議紀錄時，政府官員竟然表示該次會議沒有正式的會議紀錄。
First when Members asked the authorities to provide the minutes of meeting of the interdepartmental task force on land development at Queens Hill and Wang Chau government officials dared say that there was no formal record for that meeting
接着，不少議員要求提交橫洲發展的顧問報告及官地被霸佔的情況，政府便提交了遮蔽大部分內容的文件。
And then when Members demanded the consultancy report on the Wang Chau development plan as well as information on the situation of Government land being occupied the Government handed over a document with most of the contents redacted
其實，整個橫洲事件仍有很多尚未弄清楚的地方，因此我們必須傳召官員及要求官員提供我們所需要的文件，例如將建屋量由17,000個單位減至4,000個單位的相關政府文件、鄉紳與政府的通訊紀錄，讓我們可以更全面地分析橫洲事件。
In fact many aspects of the Wang Chau incident have remained unclear . That is why we must summon government officials and request them to provide the documents we needed for example government documents on the decision to reduce housing production from 17 000 units to 4 000 units and the record of communications between the rural leaders and government officials so that we can make a comprehensive analysis of the Wang Chau incident
第三，令公眾有充足的資料判斷不先收回棕地是否合理。
Third we have to provide the public with sufficient information so that they can judge whether the decision of not resuming brownfield sites is reasonable
如果我們能夠傳召官員直接及真誠地回答我們的提問，促使政府全面公開與橫洲事件相關的文件，公眾便可以有更多的資料來判斷，究竟當年梁振英先收回非原居民土地而不收回棕地的決定是否較為合理。
If we can summon government officials to answer our questions directly and honestly and prompt the Government to disclose all the documents related to the Wang Chau incident then the public will be able to judge whether LEUNG Chun - ying had made a reasonable decision to first resume the land of the non - indigenous villages and postpone the resumption of brownfield sites
如果公 眾認為合理，議員便不會再質疑橫洲的發展方式，但如果公眾在分析全部文件後，發覺不收回棕地而先收回非原居民村落的安排是不合理，政府便要進一步說服大家，或因為壓力而停止收回非原居民村落。
If the public think that the decision is reasonable then Members would stop querying the mode of development at Wang Chau; but if the public after analysing all the documents find that the arrangement to first resume the land of the non - indigenous villages and postpone the resumption of brownfield sites is unreasonable then the Government must make further efforts to convince the people or bow to pressure and stop resuming the land of the non - indigenous villages
因此，如果這項傳召議案獲得通過，能令當局提供一些之前未曾公開的資料，讓公眾認清橫洲發展的真面目，對於公眾的知情權亦非常重要。
Therefore if this motion is passed we can make the authorities provide some information which have not been disclosed the true picture of Wang Chau development can thus be revealed . This is also very important to the publics right to know
第四，也許我們可以揭發政府的違規行為，阻止政府無理收回非原居民村落的土地。
Fourth perhaps we can uncover certain irregularities of the Government and stop it from unreasonably resuming the land of the non - indigenous villages
如果今天的傳召議案獲得通過，不排除可以迫使政府公布更多之前未公布的文件，不排除經過專業團體的審視後，可能會發現政府以違反常規的方法推動橫洲項目，甚至可能會涉及利益輸送，這樣可以阻止政府無理收回非原居民村落的土地。
If this motion is passed today the Government might be compelled to disclose more documents which have not been made public before . After these documents are examined by professional groups we might find irregularities and even transfer of benefits when the Government took forward the Wang Chau development project . In that case we can stop the Government from unreasonably resuming the land of the non - indigenous villages
第一，如果今天否決了這項傳召議案，我們可能永遠不知道政府先收回非原居民村落土地而不收回棕地的真正原因。
First if this motion is negatived today we may never know the real reason why the Government first resumed the land of the non - indigenous villages but not the brownfield sites
過去多年，政府多次表示先收非原居民村落土地而不收棕地，是因為棕地上有很多物流作業活動，如果收回棕地便會令貨櫃車沒有停泊的空間，影響香港物流業發展。
Over the years the Government indicated repeatedly that the above action was taken because a lot of logistics activities were carried out in the brownfield sites and if brownfield sites were resumed no parking space would be made available for container trucks thereby affecting the development of the logistics business in Hong Kong
但是，大家都知道這不可能是簡單真正的原因。
However we all know that the real reason may not be so simple
如果我們想知道真正的原因，唯有通過這項議案。
If we want to know the real reason the only way is to pass this motion
如果這項傳召議案被否決，我們又不能成立專責委員會進行調查，便永遠不能取得有關文件，解不開這個謎。
If this summoning motion is negatived and we cannot establish a select committee to conduct investigation we can never obtain the relevant documents and the mystery will not be resolved
第二，如果我們不通過這項議案，與"鄉黑"勾結的官員可能永遠逍遙法外。
Second if we do not pass this motion the officials who had colluded with the rural - triad groups will go scot - free
當然，我不是指局長或現屆政府。
Of course I am not referring to the Secretary or the current - term Government
橫洲事件之所以引起全城關注，其中一個原因是政府作出先收非原居民村落土地，後收棕地的不尋常決定，難免令人懷疑當中有份作出決定的官員與持有棕地的勢力勾結。
One reason why the Wang Chau incident has aroused extensive public concern is attributed to the Governments unusual decision to first resume the land of the non - indigenous villages but not the brownfield sites . People doubted that the officials who were involved in making the decision had colluded with the rural powers who owned the brownfield sites
如果傳召議案獲得通過，我們也許可以取得更多文件查證是否有相關情況。
If this motion is passed we may perhaps obtain more documents to ascertain if collusion did exist
如果證據確鑿，執法部門當然要跟進，甚至可能有官員要被繩之於法。
If there is conclusive evidence the law enforcement department must follow up and perhaps some officials would be brought to justice
第三，市民仍會質疑橫洲項目中政府的處事手法。
Third the people will still have queries about the Governments handling of the Wang Chau project
過去數年，由於政府官員沒有正面回應事件，政府又沒有公開全部資料，令市民質疑官員在橫洲項目中向"鄉黑"利益輸送。
Over the past several years as government officials have not squarely addressed the issue and the Government has not disclosed all the information there are doubts about the Government transferring benefits to the rural - triad groups in the Wang Chau project
我們很多議員也說過，"官商鄉黑"成為2017年其中一個潮語。
Many Members have also said that the term government - business - rural - triad had become one of the trendy terms in 2017
如果傳召議案被否決，政府也失去這個機會。
If the motion is negatived the Government also loses this opportunity
因此，除非有很多不能見光的事情，或會導致政府有很大尷尬，否則我不明白政府為何不主動公開更多資料，以釋除市民的疑慮。
Therefore unless there are a lot of things which cannot be exposed or which can cause a big embarrassment for the Government otherwise I do not understand why the Government cannot take the initiative to disclose more information to allay public concerns
即使政府有些尷尬，即使公開資料會凸顯某些人有缺失、制度有某些盲點、有做得不完善的地方，政府也應該公開資料、真誠檢討。
Even if the Government would feel somewhat embarrassing and even if disclosure of the information would highlight the mistakes of certain persons the blind spots of the system and the poor jobs that have been done the Government should nonetheless disclose the information and review all the shortcomings sincerely
第四，我恐怕相關文件可能會被人毀屍滅跡，令橫洲事件成為一宗懸案。
Fourth I am afraid that the relevant documents may be destroyed and then the Wang Chau incident will become a cold case
眾所周知，政府過去多年都沒有良好和完整的存檔制度，每年都會有大量重要機密文件被銷毀。
We all know that over the years the Government lacked a good and integral archives system and lots of confidential documents have been destroyed every year
現在距離政府大幅更改橫洲計劃已近5年，我非常憂慮有不少文件已被銷毀，所以我們應支持議案，要求政府公開官方正式的文件。
It has been almost five years now since the Government drastically altered the plan at Wang Chau and I am very worried that a lot of the documents have already been destroyed . Therefore we should support the motion and request the Government to make public the official documents
隨着公務員調動，物換人非，我們再要處理這個問題會越來越困難。
With the transfer of civil servants to different posts there are changes in things and people it will be increasingly difficult for us to tackle this problem again
代理主席，首先，我當然支持朱凱廸議員根據《基本法》第七十三條，要求局方就橫洲事件提交文件及作證。
Deputy President first of all I certainly support Mr CHU Hoi - dicks motion moved under Article 73 of the Basic Law to request the Director of Bureau to provide documents and to testify on the Wang Chau incident . Actually we are all deeply impressed by the incident
事實上，大家對此事也有深刻的印象，而儘管建制派同事剛才想向我"抽水"，但我並不擔心，因為大家都記得當時曾經出現一句金句，就是"不要屈完曾俊華就屈鄺俊宇"，結果局長其後也要發信澄清，說會面確有提及4,000個單位。
Although just now a pro - establishment colleague tried to take advantage of me I am not worried at all . We all recall a sound bite at that time Do not wrong KWONG Chun - yu after trying to wrong John TSANG . In the end the Secretary for Transport and Housing had to issue a letter to clarify that he did mention 4 000 units at the meeting
在這種狀態之下，我們更有需要還原事件的真相，而最低限度我非常贊成根據《基本法》第七十三條，傳召局方前來立法會交代整件事，尤其是還未釋除疑慮的地方仍有很多，包括橫洲居民在內也很想問的一些問題。
As such it is more important for us to find out the truth of the matter and at least I totally agree to summoning under Article 73 of the Basic Law the Secretary to the Legislative Council to give an account of the matter in particular to clear the numerous doubts and answer questions that many people including residents at Wang Chau would like to ask
為何在最初提交元朗區議會的文件中竟然指出有關計劃只會影響20多戶居民？
How come in the initial document submitted to Yuen Long District Council it was stated that the plan would only affect 20 or so households?
這是白紙黑字的紀錄，而當時元朗區議會也很憤怒，因為最初的文件並沒有向區議會清晰交代，其後又向區議會說發展的影響很輕微，而且當時只是plan A，還有plan B及plan C仍屬未知之數，公眾對此事所知的實在非常不足夠。
That was a black - and - white record . The Yuen Long District Council was also furious at that time because the initial document had not clearly explained the development plan and officials later told the District Council that the impact of the development would be minimal . Moreover at that time only plan A was available while plan B and plan C were still uncertain
這涉及很大的問題，大家亦有很多問題想 問，包括為何政府沒有動用《收回土地條例》，一併收回第2、3期發展計劃所需的房屋用地？
Was it because the rural powers were involved? . How come only local residents were affected? . As serious problems were involved people also wanted to raise a lot of questions such as why did the Government not invoke the Lands Resumption Ordinance Cap
雖然我們知道有關的小組委員會已在輪候名單上，但在這刻要求政府交代事件詳情並非明日黃花。
Although we know that the relevant subcommittee has already been placed on the waiting list the present request for a detailed account to be given by the Government is not a thing of the past
政府經常以解決棕地問題為名，但實際上是因害怕鄉事、地產商而犧牲公眾利益。
The Government often acts in the name of solving the brownfield problem but in fact it sacrifices public interest for fearing the rural powers and property developers
香港過去不斷發生這類事情，遠至菜園村，近至橫洲事件。
Such kinds of incidents have happened incessantly in Hong Kong such as the Choi Yuen Tsuen incident in the distant past and the recent Wang Chau incident
局長寫得十分清楚，"與地區代表非正式的諮詢游說並沒有會議紀錄......房屋署同事在翻查資料後，找到一些出席會議的同事的內部電郵，向上級匯報於非正式諮詢期間所得到的意見，以及工作文書中對這些會面的一些提述。
The Secretary clearly stated that there were no records on the informal consultation and lobbying with local representatives colleagues in the Housing Department had after some searches found some internal emails of colleagues who had attended the meetings reporting to their supervisors the views obtained during the informal consultation; they also found some working documents with comments on these meetings
如果大家有印象的話，我們曾在另一個委員會要求官員與居民召開居民大會，但也要三催四請。
If Members still remember we once asked officials at another committee to hold a residents meeting with the residents . We had to make such requests repeatedly
為何在討論期間，數個人的意見竟然足以推翻或扳倒一項計劃，這是需要向大家交代的。
During those discussions how come the personal views of a few people could overturn the whole plan? . Explanation is warranted
此外，政府會在何時引述甚麼條例收地，以及處理受影響的人士？
In addition when will the Government resume land and which ordinance will be invoked? . How will the Government handle the people affected?
我們甚至可以拿出當時的區議會文件，是白紙黑字指出受影響居民只有20戶。
We can even produce the District Council document at that time which stated expressly that only 20 households would be affected
最重要的是，我們不希望這類黑幕事件在未來繼續不斷發生。
Most important of all we do not want to see this kind of shady deals happen time and again in the future
主席，今天這項根據《基本法》第七十三條傳召政府官員的議案，我們當然非常支持，並認為應該盡快實行，而且此事並非已過去的事情，我們可以在當中汲取很多教訓和經驗。
President of course we strongly support todays motion to summon government officials pursuant to Article 73 of the Basic Law . We also think this should be done expeditiously . Furthermore the incident is not a past event; we can still learn many lessons and draw many experiences from it
我記得正是因為此 事而認識朱凱廸議員的，他是在我入村提供協助後不久致電給我，說想認識菜園村的村民，然後大家便開始努力結集不同的力量，幫助那些無法理解為何突然會受從天而降的收地計劃影響的村民。
I recall that I came to know Mr CHU Hoi - dick because of this incident . Shortly after I entered the village to provide assistance he called me and said he wanted to get to know the villagers at Choi Yuen Tsuen . Thereafter we worked hard to bring together various strengths to help the villagers who had no clue as to why they were suddenly affected by the land resumption plan
事實上，這將會是一場長期抗戰，因為我們都擔心將來會否再次發生類似的事件。
In fact this is going to be a long - term battle because we are all worried that similar incidents will occur in the future
菜園舊村已成為歷史，它的故事讓我們知道有必要多問、多諮詢，而當區居民也應該知悉。
The old Choi Yuen Tsuen is history now and from its story we learn that we must ask more seek more consultation and local residents should also be informed
與此同時，我們亦要展望將來，如何透過這次經驗幫助未來受影響的人，希望公義得以彰顯。
At the same time we must look to the future and learn from this experience how we can help those who will be affected in the hope that social justice is realized
因此，我懇請各位同事支持朱凱廸議員根據《基本法》第七十三條提出有關傳召官員的議案，希望局方可以前來立法會作證和交代。
Therefore I implore my colleagues to support the motion moved by Mr CHU Hoi - dick under Article 73 of the Basic Law to summon the official . I hope bureau officials can come to the Legislative Council to testify and give explanation
我支持朱凱廸議員今天提出的議案，以傳召運輸及房屋局局長於2018年3月21日到立法會席前，就港珠澳大橋管理局因興建港珠澳大橋主橋而招致的負債情況、最新交通流量估算、按交通流量估算及最新大橋收費假設而預計的未來還款安排，作證及提供證據，以及出示所有相關的文據、簿冊、紀錄或文件。
I support the motion proposed by Mr CHU Hoi - dick today that this Council summon the Secretary for Transport and Housing to attend the Council Meeting to be held on 21 March 2018 to testify and give evidence before the Council and to produce all relevant papers books records or documents in relation to the debts incurred by the HZMB Authority for the construction of the Main Bridge of HZMB the latest traffic flow volume estimation and the projected plan of loan repayment based on the traffic flow volume estimation and the latest projection of bridge toll levels . HZMB will be commissioned within this year
首先，港珠澳大橋主橋在不明的情況下超支100億元，香港政府須支付24億元。
First under unknown circumstances the Main Bridge of HZMB has incurred a cost overrun of RMB10 billion of which RMB2.4 billion has to be borne by the Hong Kong Government
此外，中國政府單方面為港珠澳大橋訂定收費水平，分別是私家車和的士每程收費150元人民幣我以下說的收費全部以人民幣計算普通貨車60元、穿梭巴士450元，過境巴士則建議收費450元或200元。
And the Chinese Government has unilaterally set the toll levels of HZMB at RMB150 about HK180 for private cars and taxis―the toll fees I am going to cite here are all in RMB RMB60 for ordinary goods vehicles and RMB450 for shuttle buses and the proposed toll for cross - boundary coaches will be RMB450 or RMB200
當局稱短期貸款利息超過106億元，平均每年成本3億5,500萬元，收費將會最少持續30年。
The authority concerned says that short - term loan interests amount to RMB10.6 billion giving a yearly average of RMB0.355 billion for a period of at least 30 years
上述超支金額及收費水平，其實與一個數字有密切關係，這個數字便是港珠澳大橋的負債水平。
The aforesaid overrun amount and toll levels are in fact closely related to a certain figure . This figure is the amount of debts incurred by HZMB
大家應該記得，港珠澳大橋主橋部分興建費用由三地政府直接出資，部分則透過融資提供。
We should be able to recall that the construction cost of HZMB is partly met by direct capital investments of the governments of the three regions and partly met by loans
政府直接出資的公帑不用償還，但三地政府的借貸卻要連本帶利償還。
Public money coming directly from the governments does not need to be repaid but loans raised by the governments of the three regions need to be repaid with interests
因此，今天傳召議案的重點是要求政府交代港珠澳大橋主橋的負債情況，並要求政府交代交通流量評估及收費水平，以至未來的還款安排，讓公眾評估當局是否有切實可行的方案償還數以百億元計的貸款。
The point of todays summoning motion is to require the Government to give an account of the debt situation of the Main Bridge of HZMB the traffic flow volume estimate the toll levels and the projected plan of loan repayment so that the public will be able to assess whether the authority concerned has a practicable and viable plan to repay the multi - billion loans
一如既往，我會先分析支持傳召議案的理據，以及剖析不支持這樣做可能造成的不良後果。
As usual I will give an analysis of my grounds for supporting the summoning motion . I will also analyse the undesirable consequences of not supporting this motion
第一，負債及還款情況與日後收費有密切關係，涉及公眾利益。
First the debt and repayment situations are closely related to the toll levels in future and public interest is at stake
今天朱凱廸議員要求政府提供及作證的資料，其實與公眾利益及香港的競爭力有密不可分的關係。
Today Mr CHU Hoi - dick requests the Government to provide information and materials and testify . The information concerned has indeed an unseverable tie with public interest and the competitiveness of Hong Kong
首先，港珠澳大橋項目的負債情況，絕對可能影響港珠澳大橋每年要償付的債務金額。
On the one hand the debt situation of the HZMB project definitely may have an effect on the yearly amount of debt repayment by the HZMB Authority
根據粵港澳三地政府當年為大橋主橋建造費作出的融資安排，三地政府共借貸223億7,000萬元，但由於我們不知道這筆貸款的利息是多少，我們無從得知現時的債務總額。
According to the financing arrangements of the governments of the three regions of Guangdong Hong Kong and Macao for the Main Bridge of HZMB the three governments have raised loans of RMB22.37 billion . As we do not know anything about the interest we have no idea about how much the debt amounts to now
如果負債金額已上升至數以百億元，每年連本帶利要償還數以億元甚至十億元計；而與此同時，交通流量及收費水平則決定能否單靠港珠澳大橋的收入償還貸款。
If the debts have already accumulated to tens of billions of RMB the yearly amount of debt and interest repayment will be in the order of hundreds of millions or even billions of RMB . On the other hand the traffic flow volume and the toll levels will determine whether the loans can be repaid from the revenue of HZMB
如果交通流量足夠，便可以由更多的駕駛者支付港珠澳大橋的營運成本及債務，未來收費水平便有機會下降。
If the traffic flow volume is big enough operation costs and debt repayment will be paid for by more drivers . The toll levels will have a chance to become lower in the future
然而，如果交通流量不如預期，政府便可能要上調收費以償還債務，但此舉又可能會進一步令交通流量下降，債務償還能力又會成為問題。
If the traffic flow volume is not as big as anticipated the governments will have to increase the tolls in order to repay their debts . Such a measure may cause a further drop in the traffic flow volume and the ability to repay the debts will become a problem again
因此，如果傳召議案獲得通過，公眾便會知道負債水平，並能以現時中國政府建議的收費水平計算要多少車輛流量才足以償還債務，以及評估政府的車輛流量預估是否合理。
Therefore if the summoning motion is passed the public will know the debt situation . They will be able to use the toll levels proposed by the Chinese Government to calculate the vehicular flow volume required for repaying the debts . They will also be able to assess whether the vehicular flow volume estimate of the Government is reasonable
如果政府公布的資料過於樂觀及過於高估車輛流量的話，我們也可以促請政府再作評估，以及探討是否找其他方法償還貸款。
If the information and materials released by the Government are too optimistic and the vehicular flow volume is over - estimated we can also urge the Government to do the estimation afresh and explore whether we are to find other ways to repay the loans
因此，這項傳召議案要求提供的資料絕對涉及公眾利益，實在沒有理由反對。
Therefore the information concerned is definitely a matter of public interest . There is really no reason to vote against the motion
第二，過去多年，無論是中國內地或香港政府也沒有公開相關資料，我們只能透過傳召議案取得更多資料。
Second in the past many years the Chinese Government and the Hong Kong Government have not disclosed the relevant information . We can only use a motion to summon to obtain more information
正如我剛才提到，在10多年前，內地、香港及澳門三地融資合共223億元興建港珠澳大橋。
As I mentioned just now more than 10 years ago the three regions of the Mainland Hong Kong and Macao raised a total of RMB22.3 billion to construct HZMB
上述條款其實寫得很簡單，我們並不能知悉參與的銀行名稱。
The aforesaid terms were in fact very sketchy . We did not know the names of the participating banks
此外，最終將採用固定還是浮動利率？
Would the interest rates be fixed or floating in the end?
未能如期還款有否寬限期？
Would there be a grace period if the loans could not be repaid in time?
在人工島超支時，我們曾要求公開融資資料，當局又稱這些資料與人工島工程無關。
When the artificial island incurred a cost overrun we requested that information on the loans be disclosed . The Government said that the information was not relevant to the artificial island project
事實上，至今我們也不知道有關該223億元的融資條款、利息水平、償還年期等資料。
In fact even now we do not know anything about the terms of the RMB22.3 billion loans such as the interest rates and the loan tenure
假如透過融資取得的223億元的年息率達4厘，以複式計算，現時的貸款總額連本帶利高達330億元。
If RMB22.3 billion has been borrowed at an annual compound interest rate of 4 % the total amount of the loans will now have accumulated to as much as RMB33 billion
然而，數天前，廣東省發展和改革委員會在珠海召開港珠澳大橋收費的聽證會，大橋管理局提供的資料顯示，連同大橋早前超支的99億5,000萬元人民幣，現時的總投資額達480億6,800萬元人民幣，在三地政府承擔各自的款項後，大橋管理局會再向銀行借貸融資，而由通車至完成還款的長期和短期利息合計將達236億5,000萬元。
Several days ago the Guangdong Development and Reform Commission held a hearing in Zhuhai on the toll levels for HZMB . The information and materials provided by the HZMB Authority show that including the earlier cost overrun of RMB9.95 billion of HZMB the total investment amount has now reached RMB48.68 billion . After the governments of the three regions have made their contributions the HZMB Authority will raise syndicated bank loans again
以這些數字推算，利率會高於4厘。
Based on these figures the interest rate should be higher than 4 %
說回頭，政府至今仍沒有提供相關資料數據，因此我們只有透過傳召議案，要求政府提交相關資料。
Anyway to date the Government has not provided any relevant information and materials . Therefore we can only use a summoning motion to request the Government to provide information
另外，當局過去多年均拒絕交代最新的交通流量評估及收費水平，亦沒有交代在甚麼情況下會上調收費，這些均是公眾十分留意的事項。
And in the past many years the Government has refused to give an account of the latest traffic flow volume assessment and toll levels . It has not told us under what circumstances the tolls will be increased . All of these are things that the public care very much about
如果各位議員對議案投反對票，以致今天不能通過這項傳召議案，我們會向整個社會發出甚麼信息呢？
If Members vote against the motion so that this summoning motion is not passed today what message shall we be sending to the whole society?
第一，公眾可能質疑現時收費水平背後的理據為何。
The first consequence will be that the public may have doubts about the grounds for the toll levels
建制派稍後如果投反對票否決議案，將會向公眾發放的信息是，政府、建制派議員或部分建制派議員不想讓市民知道的資料是不宜公布的。
If the pro - establishment camp vote against the motion such that it is negatived the message they send to the public will be that the information and materials that the Government and the pro - establishment Members or some of the pro - establishment Members do not want the citizens to have are not suitable for disclosure
如果建制派拒絕支持傳召政府官員提交負債水平、交通流量評估及收費水平假設等基本資料，便難免會令市民認為這些資料有不可告人的秘密。
If the pro - establishment camp refuses to support summoning government officials to provide such basic information as debt levels traffic flow volume assessment and the toll level assumptions the citizens will inevitably think that there are dark secrets hidden in the shadow
市民更可能會推測這些不可告人的秘密，可能是導致現時收費水平昂貴的主要原因，因而令市民更懷疑港珠澳大橋是否所謂的"大白象"工程。
The citizens may suspect that these hidden secrets are the main reasons for the high toll levels . The citizens will therefore become more suspicious about HZMB being a white elephant project
另外，如果否決這項議案，也會令香港市民對香港政府甚至中國政府的信任進一步受損。
Another consequence will be that if the motion is negatived further harm will be done to the confidence of citizens in the Hong Kong Government and even the Chinese Government
今天議案要求傳召官員提交的資料是港珠澳大橋項目中最基本的資料，但如果議員反對傳召官員提交這些資料，我相信香港市民便會質疑特區政府甚至中國政府在港珠澳大橋項目中有不可告人的秘密，這些秘密會否損害公眾利益，尤其是損害香港市民的利益呢？
The information that todays motion aims to glean from officials summoned is the most basic information on the HZMB project . If Members oppose to summoning officials to provide such information I believe Hong Kong citizens will doubt whether the HKSAR Government and even the Chinese Government have dark secrets that cannot be disclosed to the public . Will these dark secrets harm the interests of the public?
這更會損害香港市民對香港政府甚至中國政府的信任。
Will they harm the interests of the citizens of Hong Kong? . This will undermine Hong Kong citizens confidence in the Hong Kong Government and even the Chinese Government
第三，日後中國政府可隨意上調收費水平。
Third the Chinese Government can increase the toll levels at will