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我想特別提出的一點關乎我們認為最緊急的事宜，即虐待兒童和保護兒童的問題。
One particular point I wish to make is an issue we consider the most urgent ie . child abuse and protection of children
我聽到多位與會者也提出了我們認為政府必須檢討的問題，就是政府的所有政策有否把兒童權利和福利列作優先考慮，因為我們看到現時可能有很多政策均以利便成年人的角度出發，又或是以利便政府施政或政策執行作考慮，而非真正以兒童的利益和福祉為依歸。
I have heard various participants in the meetings raise the following question which we think the Government must review Has the Government accorded priority consideration to childrens rights and welfare in all of its policies? . Because now we can see that many policies may be perceived from the angle of bringing convenience to adults or facilitating the Governments administration or implementation of policies . They are not really based on the interests and well - being of children
我們在這段時間內看到社會上接二連三發生多宗虐兒事件，有5歲女童遭家人虐待致死，亦有女童因遭生母和繼父虐待而慘變植物人，結果該名母親被重囚15年。
During this period we have seen incidents of child abuse happen in society one after another . A little girl aged five died of abuse by her family members . Tragically another girl abused by her biological mother and stepfather became vegetative
我們亦看到一些不想看到亦難以理解的個案，例如有16歲以下的女童明明遭性侵，為一名男士口交，但竟然不列作侵犯或強姦兒童的個案。
In the end her mother was sentenced heavily to 15 years of imprisonment . We have also seen some incomprehensible cases which we do not wish to see . For example a girl aged under 16 had obviously suffered sexual assault and performed oral sex for a man but surprisingly it was not filed as a case of a child being assaulted or raped
香港的離婚單親家庭數目亦有增無減，前年公布的數字顯示分居和離婚人數高達30萬人，較10年前的20萬人升幅超過四成。
The number of divorced single - parent families also keeps rising . As shown by the figures released the year before last the number of separateddivorced persons reached 300 000 up by more than 40 % over the number recorded 10 years ago which was 200 000
現今的家庭越來越複雜，同父異母、家中兄弟姊妹不同姓的情況並不罕見。
Families nowadays have become increasingly complicated . Situations of children having the same father but different mothers and siblings of different surnames in the same family are not uncommon
在家庭背景如此複雜的情況下潛伏很多家庭問題，但政府和整個社會是否已準備好處理這些問題，照顧在複雜家庭中長大的兒童呢？
Against such a complicated family background there are many underlying familial problems but is the Government and the whole society ready to deal with these problems and take care of children who grow up in such complicated families?
還是我們每次也要在慘劇發生後，才去想想如何補救呢？
Or do we only think about how to take remedial actions every time after a tragedy has happened?
因此，即使兒童事務委員會現時仍未升格為法定組織，我們也期望它能真正就如何保護兒童免受傷害，尤其在預防、篩選和支援高危家庭，以及支援受虐個案和防止再度受虐方面大力進行更多工作。
Hence although now the Commission has not been upgraded to a statutory body we still expect it to genuinely do more work with greater efforts in protecting children from harm especially in such aspects as prevention of abuse in identification of and support for high - risk families as well as support for abuse cases and prevention of further abuse
多位與會者亦指出香港的性教育非常落後，而這可能是造成年青懷孕或未婚懷孕的家庭，又或是未準備好為人父母的年青人成為父母的其中一項原因。
Various participants in the meetings have also pointed out that sex education in Hong Kong is rather outdated . This may be one of the reasons for young or unwed women becoming pregnant or young people becoming parents when they are not yet ready
主席，香港有關性罪行的法例十分落後。
President the laws relating to sexual offences in Hong Kong are seriously outdated
其實政府和法律改革委員會已多次向立法會報告有關修訂已準備就緒，但偏偏現在仍未修例，令我剛才提到16歲以下的男女童未獲足夠的保護。
In fact the Government and the Law Reform Commission have reported to the Legislative Council a number of times that the relevant amendments are ready . But to date the legislative amendments are still not made . Consequently boys and girls under the age of 16 as mentioned by me just now cannot receive sufficient protection
因此，我希望政府盡快修訂香港有關性罪行的法例。
For this reason I hope the Government will amend the laws relating to sexual offences in Hong Kong as soon as possible
如果我們要支援家庭，其實以家庭為服務對象是重要的。
To support the families concerned it is actually important to make families the service target
我本身修讀婚姻與家庭治療，而香港其實很需要家庭治療服務。
I have studied marriage and family therapy myself . Hong Kong really needs family therapy services
現時的服務全部以個人為單位，未來可否發展以家庭為單位的服務及培訓更多家庭治療師，讓更多家庭的父母有足夠能力做好其角色？
All the existing services are based on individuals . In the future can the Government develop family - based services and train more family therapists so that parents in more families will be capable of playing their roles properly?
這些支援其實十分重要。
Such support is in fact most important
主席，每名兒童也是珍貴的，亦是有能力的。
President every child is a treasure with capabilities
他們是社會未來的棟樑，所以政府有責任和使命致力保護及培育兒童。
They are the future pillars of society . Hence the Government has the responsibility and mission to strive to protect and nurture children
我在此感謝所有曾出席兒童權利小組委員會會議的個人和組織，亦感謝秘書處的同事為我們準備這份完備的報告。
Here I thank all the individuals and deputations who have attended the meetings of the Subcommittee on Childrens Rights . I also thank the colleagues in the Secretariat for preparing this exhaustive report for us
由此可見，當內地中小企能夠即日調動資金，而我們的中小企仍然要在數個月後才有資金流動時，這便會影響整個社會及商界的發展和競爭力，我們在這方面走得很慢、很落後。
From this we can see that while SMEs in the Mainland can use their funds on the same day our SMEs still have to wait for a few months before they can do so and this will affect the development of society and the business sector at large as well as our competitiveness . We are making very slow progress and suffering a serious lag in this respect
張華峰議員剛才也提到，金融科技的發展對鞏固香港國際金融中心的地位相當重要。
Mr Christopher CHEUNG mentioned just now that the development of financial technology is very important to the consolidation of Hong Kongs position as an international financial centre
我與張華峰議員和業界朋友也很努力地推動跨境開戶、遙距買賣，以及內地與香港互聯互通。
Mr Christopher CHEUNG and I as well as members of the industry have made great efforts to promote cross - border account opening remote trading and interconnectivity between the Mainland and Hong Kong
除了Fintech外，我們亦應該努力開拓Regtech，以及保險業的金融科技等，在這方面，似乎香港現時也走得較慢。
Fintech aside we should also make an effort to develop Regtech and also financial technology in the insurance industry . In this respect Hong Kong seems to be making rather slow progress
此外，我們也知道，在大灣區的發展中，大灣區內每一個城市也很努力地發展智慧城市及吸納人才。
Moreover as we know in the development of the Bay Area each and every city in the Bay Area is putting in a lot of efforts to develop into a smart city and absorb talents
香港又可以擔當甚麼角色，以及如何發揮我們所長，配合國家所需，加強區內人流、物流、服務流、資金流和資訊流的互聯互通呢？
What role can Hong Kong play? . And how can we give play to our advantages and in the light of the needs of the country strengthen the mutual access and flow of people goods services capital and information in the region?
除了錯失機會外，亦會被邊緣化。
Apart from letting opportunities slip by Hong Kong would also be marginalized
我們有很多法例需要修改，也需要更努力地吸引人才。
We need to make amendments to many laws and we also need to work harder to attract talents
最重要的是，智慧城市並非一個包裝或口號，我們需要以人為本，讓市民感受到有改變，覺得他們的生活變得更加優質，對未來更有希望，讓香港可以更持續地發展。
Most importantly smart city is not a kind of packaging or a slogan . We need to be people - oriented in order that the people can feel the changes and they can feel that their living is of a better quality and hence they will have more hope for the future . And in this way the sustainable development of Hong Kong can be better enabled
至於許智峯議員的修正案提到要即時將共乘的運輸模式合法化，我們有一定保留，所以不能支持。
As for Mr HUI Chi - fungs amendment which proposes to immediately effect the legalization of the transport mode of car - sharing we have certain reservations about it and therefore we cannot support it
主席，我當然理解現時討論的是把這項《條例草案》繞過內會，然後直接交付人力事務委員會等，議案內容只此而已。
President of course I understand that the motion currently under discussion is all about allowing this Bill to bypass the House Committee and then referring it directly to the Panel on Manpower and so on
假設之後真的交付人力事務委員會，其後如何處理則與現時的議案無關。
Assuming that it will actually be referred to the Panel on Manpower what to do afterwards has nothing to do with the current motion
但是，你必須理解，第一，這在原則上真的不符合《議事規則》。
However you must understand that firstly this is truly out of order in principle
大家都知道，事務委員會其實只是負責討論政策，而不是審議法案、法例等。
As we all know Panels are only responsible for discussing policies rather than scrutinizing bills legislation etc
如果他真的有這樣的做法，亦是"擺明車馬"違反《議事規則》的。
If he really takes this approach it is nothing but a blatant violation of the RoP
如果根據你今早給我們的信的內容，你根本現在已經可以告訴我們，你會嚴格按照《議事規則》行事。
If the contents of the letter you sent us this morning are anything to go by you can actually already tell us now that you will act strictly in accordance with the RoP
他所謂的"提議"，是要繞過內會主席，並假設屆時沒有內會主席這個銜頭存在，他是不可以這樣做的。
His so - called proposal is to bypass the Chairman of the House Committee and assume that there will be no such title as Chairman of the House Committee by then . He cannot do so
你可否現在清楚說明，你有這樣的承諾呢？
Could you now explicitly indicate that you make such a promise?
我同意要盡快處理，原本提到交付人力事務委員會審議的建議，我尚且也或會在政治層面考慮同意，讓大家最低限度有機會先作討論。
I agree that we should start our work on the legislative exercise as soon as possible and with regard to the proposal of committing the Bill to the Panel on Manpower I was originally willing to consider supporting the idea from a political perspective so that Members might at least be given a chance to discuss the relevant arrangements in advance
但是，由於他自作聰明，添加了這樣的一條"尾巴"，我一定反對。
However as he has tried to play smart by appending such a tail to his proposal I will definitely oppose the idea
主席，我發言支持局長動議的議案，將《2019年僱傭條例草案》的二讀辯論中止待續，並交付人力事務委員會而非內務委員會處理。
President I rise to speak in support of the Secretarys motion on adjourning the Second Reading debate on the Employment Amendment Bill 2019 the Bill and referring the Bill to the Panel on Manpower the Panel instead of the House Committee
主席，多位議員皆提及，《條例草案》對產假提出的修訂，其實是"百利而無一害"的。
President as rightly asserted by various Members the amendments to maternity leave in the Bill actually will only do good without any harm
不論是延長產假4星期、由政府承擔五分之四的額外產假薪酬、在《條例草案》訂明額外產假薪酬上限、縮短"流產"定義中所述的懷孕期，以及容許以產前檢查的到診紙作為領取疾病津貼的證明等，對於懷孕婦女均是莫大福祉和幫助。
Whether speaking of the four - week extension of the maternity leave period the Governments commitment to bearing the additional maternity leave pay at fourth - fifths of the daily wages the Bills prescription of a ceiling for the additional maternity leave pay the shortening of the pregnancy period stated in the definition of miscarriage and the permission for using attendance certificates of prenatal check - ups as proof for claiming sickness allowance all such proposals are very beneficial and favourable to pregnant women
主席經過多小時考慮而給予准許，必然符合《議事規則》，並有立法會秘書處協助。
The permission given by the President after so many hours of consideration definitely complies with the Rules of Procedure . And mind you he was assisted by the Legislative Council Secretariat
不過，問題是，社會現時如此激化，他們將"攬炒"意識發揮得淋漓盡致，意圖癱瘓立法會，這對香港是否好事呢？
But the point is amidst intensifying social conflicts will it do any good to Hong Kong if they bring their mutual destruction mentality into full play with the intention of paralysing the Legislative Council?
主席，多個家庭和長者皆說道，女性生育，便仿如"有半隻腳踏入鬼門關"般，因為她們會有生命危險，可謂以性命相博。
President many families and elderly people describe those women who decide to give birth as having a leg cross the threshold of death because their lives may be in danger and it can be said that they are risking their lives in so doing
生育是偉大的天職，因此多關愛和照顧女士是理所當然的。
Giving birth is an admirable natural duty so it is only reasonable to show more care and concern for women
此外，我亦不得不提述雙職家庭的壓力。
Besides I must also talk about the pressure faced by dual - income families
主席，我曾翻閱立法會進行的研究，發現現時在職女性數目比10年前大幅增加。
President I have read a study conducted by the Legislative Council and found that the existing number of working women has increased drastically over the figure 10 years ago
母乳最大的益處，是增強嬰兒的免疫能力......
The greatest benefit of breastfeeding is the enhancement of babies immune system
反對派議員以為只要把持內務委員會，便可以掐死立法會當然不止立法會，還有整個香港。
Opposition Members think that as long as they can dominate the House Committee they can strangle the Legislative Council to death―of course not only the Legislative Council but also the entire Hong Kong
他們不容許有蒼蠅飛過我不應以蒼蠅作比喻他們不容許有任何漏網之魚。
They will not allow even just a fly to get past―I should not use a fly as an analogy . They will not allow any fish to escape from the net so to speak
我們正談論憲制秩序和《議事規則》，為何局長可以如此草率作出這個決定，並在事後才說會向自己的團隊負責？
We are now exactly discussing constitutional order and the Rules of Procedure . How could the Secretary make this decision so hastily and make himself accountable to his team only afterwards?
這絕對是草率的決定。
This definitely is a reckless decision
當然，很多同事剛才或上星期亦有質疑主席的決定其實我清楚了解主席就其決定所考慮的因素亦有同事將主席對《議事規則》第544條的決定與何啟明議員較早前提出的決定作比較。
Sure enough in the debate just now or last week many colleagues also queried the Presidents decision―I actually clearly understand the factors taken into consideration by the President in making his decision―and some colleagues also made a comparison between the Presidents decision concerning Rule 544 of the Rules of Procedure and the decision made by Mr HO Kai - ming earlier
主席的理據是，根據《議事規則》第544條，其實議員是有機會進行討論，亦有機會提出修正案，他認為這個門檻應該較低，故此批准局長提出議案。
The justification of the President is that pursuant to Rule 544 of the Rules of Procedure Members basically have an opportunity to discuss the Bill and also an opportunity to propose amendments . He thinks that this threshold is lower and thus allows the Secretary to move his motion
我應該沒有記錯我與主席討論的一番說話。
I might not have wrongly recalled the conversation with the President
如果只是政策層面上的討論，其實我們已就《條例草案》作出這方面的討論。
If it is only a discussion on the policy perspective we have already conducted this aspect of discussion of the Bill
再者，我們再想一想所謂小組委員會提出的修訂。
Besides let us think about the so - called amendments proposed by the subcommittee
在正式的法案委員會內，委員可以提出委員會審議階段修正案，當然，並非法案委員會中的其他議員亦可在修訂期限前提出自己的CSA，兩個途徑皆可行。
In a formal Bills Committee Members can propose some Committee stage amendments CSAs . Of course other non - Bills Committee Members can also propose their own CSAs before the deadline . Both channels are viable
如有委員在法案委員會上提出CSA後，其實委員可就這些CSA在法案委員會會議上進行討論，我們很多時有三四個會議也在討論CSA，直至得到法案委員會內的共識。
After some CSAs are proposed by Members in the Bills Committee Members can discuss these CSAs in the Bills Committee meetings . It is common for us to discuss CSAs in three to four meetings until the Bills Committee can reach a consensus
如果大家有意向時，小組委員會的修訂可以由法案委員會主席代為提出。
Amendments from the subcommittee can also be proposed by the Chairman of the Bills Committee if that is the intention of the subcommittee members
再者，有同事剛才已指出有關政策上的分工問題。
Moreover a colleague just pointed out the issue of division of work on the policy level
即使人力事務委員會完成討論我不能說是審議，只能說是討論這項《條例草案》後，究竟如何恢復《條例草案》的二讀辯論？
Even if the Panel on Manpower has finished its discussion―I can only say this is discussion rather than scrutiny―of the Bill how will the Second Reading of the Bill be resumed?
當然，局長提出了天馬行空的說法，指《議事規則》第545條容許大家運用很多程序，意味着《議事規則》上沒有寫明不能做的，其實就是可以做。
Of course the Secretary has introduced an innovative idea beyond our imagination saying that Rule 545 of the Rules of Procedure allows us to make use of many procedures . This implies that anything which is not disallowed in the Rules of Procedure can actually be done
他亦說大家應原則性地解讀《議事規則》第545條，但我恐怕在《議事規則》內或議事規則委員會討論的過程中，甚至是其他遇到的情況下，亦並非如此。
He also says that we should interpret Rule 545 of the Rules of Procedure on a principle basis . However I am afraid that this is not the case in the Rules of Procedure in the course of discussion by the Committee on Rules of Procedure or even in other circumstances
當然，局長可能打算冒一次險，希望大家在事務委員會就《條例草案》辯論一兩個月後，屆時內會可能已選出主席，這便能節省一些時間。
It is natural that the Secretary may intend to take a chance in the hope that a Chairman can be elected after the Bill has been under the debate of the Panel for one to two months so that some time can be saved
然而，我在邏輯上感到奇怪，建制派同事說這項《條例草案》已得到廣泛共識，而且沒有爭議性。
However I find the logic weird . Members from the pro - establishment camp say that a general consensus has already been reached for this Bill which is not controversial
我上屆擔任有關男士侍產假的法案委員會主席，我記得很多工商界人士都希望將那項實施男士侍產假的條例拖延。
During the last term of the Council I was the Chairman of the Bills Committee related to paternity leave . As far as I can remember many people from the business sector wished that the implementation of the Ordinance concerning paternity leave could be delayed
當然，《條例草案》能夠保障很多生育婦女、要生育的家庭的一些權利，但我要說一聲，亦藉此機會對局長說，如果要提高香港的生育率，這項條例並不足夠。
Admittedly the Bill can protect the rights of a lot of pregnant women and families who want to have children . Nonetheless I have to say and also take this opportunity to tell the Secretary that if we want to raise the fertility rate of Hong Kong this Bill alone is not sufficient
第二，由於本會已就此項議案展開辯論，即使動議人要求撤回議案，也要在沒有人反對下才可以撤回，我怎能違反《議事規則》行事？
Secondly since this Council has already initiated the debate on this motion even if the mover requests to withdraw it it can be withdrawn only in the absence of any objection so how can I act in violation of RoP?
不，主席，請你想清楚。
No President please give it a second thought
信中寫着："即使局長的議案獲得通過，條例草案經人力事務委員會討論後，仍須符合《議事規則》第545條的規定，才能恢復二讀辯論。
The letter reads Even if the Secretarys motion is passed the Bill must still comply with Rule 545 of the Rules of Procedure after discussion by the Panel on Manpower before the Second Reading debate can resume
主席察悉，局長曾就該條文的詮釋表達其看法。主席認為，現時討論條例草案恢復二讀辯論的詳細安排，仍言之尚早，但他強調，日後若須考慮是否批准條例草案恢復二讀辯論，他定必一如既往，按照《議事規則》的相關規定處理。
Noting that the Secretary has expressed his views on the interpretation of the provision the President considers it still too early to discuss the detailed arrangements for the resumption of the Second Reading debate on the Bill but he has stressed that if it is necessary in future to consider allowing the resumption of the Second Reading debate on the Bill he will definitely handle it in accordance with the relevant provisions of the Rules of Procedure as ever
" 如果你不明白這段內容，你可請秘書處或法律顧問再向你解釋。
If you do not understand this passage you may ask the Secretariat or Legal Adviser to explain it to you
這是白紙黑字寫給22位議員的回信，亦是公開的文件。
This is a reply letter written in black and white to 22 Members and it is a public document
我已作出最終裁決，亦回覆了你們的來信，並在此再三說明，立法會主席會按照《議事規則》第545條處理有關《條例草案》在立法會恢復二讀辯論的要求。
I have made the final ruling and replied to your letter . In addition I have repeatedly indicated here that the President of the Legislative Council will process the request for resumption of the Second Reading debate in the Legislative Council in accordance with RoP 545
我認為每位議員的問題都是嚴肅的，但我已就相關規程問題作出裁決，不應再花時間......
I consider that each question raised by each Member is solemn but as I have made my ruling over a point of order we should not spend time on
我亦已清楚交代，我為何決定交由立法會決定是否將《條例草案》交付人力事務委員會處理，這做法符合《議事規則》。
I have given a full explanation why I have decided to let the Legislative Council decide whether the Bill should be referred to the Panel on Manpower which is in line with the Rules of Procedure
請各位不要再辯論我的裁決。
I urge Members not to debate on my ruling
梁耀忠議員指我前言不對後語。
Mr LEUNG Yiu - chung accused me of making contradictory remarks
我希望梁議員細看我的兩項裁決，該兩項裁決是截然不同的。
I hope Mr LEUNG will have a detailed look at my two rulings which are completely different
就何啟明議員的議案，我指出："自第一屆立法會至今，從未有法案不交付內會而立法會須即時審議有關法案"。
Concerning Mr HO Kai - mings motion I stated that since the first Legislative Council there has never been any case in which a bill is not referred to the House Committee but being scrutinized by the Council immediately instead
所以，不要將兩項裁決混淆，令市民不清楚裁決的理據。
So please do not mix up the two rulings and make the public confused about the grounds of the rulings
主席，在進行辯論的同時，可否要求局長以書面陳述，若這項議案獲得通過，而《條例草案》亦交付人力事務委員會討論後，他會向立法會提出甚麼建議安排，以符合《議事規則》第545條的規定呢？
President in the course of the debate is it possible to ask the Secretary to state in writing what arrangements he will recommend to the Legislative Council after the motion is passed if at all and the Bill is referred to the Panel on Manpower for discussion in order to meet the requirements of RoP 545?
但是，我們今天一直這麼多位同事在此挑戰你的裁決......
However today many of us challenged your ruling You do not need to tell me that your ruling is incontestable
他說："就算內委會未完成有關選舉主席的工作也好，政府可以諮詢所有內委會委員，當所有內委會委員均有受諮詢，這一定包括了前任主席或將來的主席。
He said Even if the House Committee has yet completed the task of electing its Chairman the Government can still consult all the members of the House Committee . Such consultation must cover all members of the House Committee and once all members of the House Committee are consulted it will certainly include the previous as well as the next Chairmen . The Secretary then went on saying something that no one understood
" 接着局長說了一句全世界也不明白的說話可能是我愚蠢，我不明白我依稿讀出："大家知道，將來與未來之間一線，就是今天或此刻"；我再重複："大家知道，將來與未來之間一線，就是今天或此刻，所以從延續性的角度而言，進行有關《議事規則》第545條的安排諮詢全體內委會委員，我們履行了這個責任諮詢內委會主席。
He said As Members all know the line between the future and the future is today or this moment . I repeat As Members all know the line between the future and the future is today or this moment . Hence from the angle of continuity in carrying out the arrangement set out in RoP 545 of consulting all members of the House Committee we would have fulfilled our responsibility of consulting the Chairman of the House Committee
那麼，局長這樣做有否違反《議事規則》第545條呢？
So does the Secretarys approach violate Rule 545 of the Rules of Procedure?
如果他有違反《議事規則》第545條，那麼主席你"老人家"便不應該批准他這項議案，因為他已說明會這樣做。
If it does then President you should not have allowed him to move this motion because he has clearly said that he will pursue this approach
於是，我們這麼多位議員便聯 署寫信給你，麻煩你"老人家"檢視局長如此具創意，隨便站起來，在數分鐘前才構思好，"噏得就噏"的一項議案，建立一個違反規則的新方法來通過一項如此重要的法案。
That is why so many of us jointly wrote to you asking you to review this creative way of the Secretary who suddenly rose to move a motion that he conceived in a matter of minutes and created a new way which is in violation of the relevant rules to pass such an important bill . President you should have ruled on this . But instead you allowed the motion and made no explanation
主席你應該就此作出判斷，但你照樣批准，卻不作解釋，於是我們便聯署要求你解釋，他這種做法有否違反《議事規則》，而你認為"仍言之尚早"這是你的說法。
We thus jointly wrote to you for an explanation . We want to know whether his approach has violated the Rules of Procedure . You hold that it is still too early to say
我剛才已小心聆聽你為何不作解釋，你說有太多不穩定因素，要到時才作裁決，這正正是我們多位議員在此說這樣做是浪費議會的時間。
This is your view . Just now I listened very carefully your reasons why you did not give any explanation . You said that there were too many uncertainties and you would make a ruling when the need arose
我們要花這麼多個小時討論，因為我們每人可以發言15分鐘，雖然我們每人未必會用盡這15分鐘，但我們真的要解釋給市民聽，我們亦要記錄在案，要說清楚我們為何會不贊同局長違反《議事規則》的議案，亦不贊成你的裁決。
This is precisely why so many of us have said that this approach is a waste of Council meeting time because each of us has 15 minutes to speak and we will spend many hours on this debate . Although not every one of us will use up the 15 - minute speaking time we need to explain to the public and put our justifications on record . We need to clearly explain why we oppose the Secretarys motion which violates the Rules of Procedure and why we disagree with your ruling
當中的邏輯是，局長的議案是不可能符合《議事規則》的，那麼主席你怎會批准一項不可能符合《議事規則》的議案呢？
The Secretarys motion simply cannot meet the requirement of the Rules of Procedure . How come President has allowed a motion that does not comply with the Rules of Procedure?
他這樣做可謂取巧至極，他認為諮詢了我們全部60多位議員，而我們遲早有一位會成為內委會主席，於是便等於諮詢了內委會主席，符合了《議事規則》的相關要求，哪會有人這樣做的呢？
He thinks that by consulting all the 60 - odd Members he will have consulted the House Committee Chairman because one of us will ultimately become the Chairman . So he thinks that his approach can meet the relevant requirement in the Rules of Procedure . Will anyone do something like that?
他可謂扭盡六壬，挖空心思來搞這些事情，有正經事情不做，卻嘗試破壞《議事規則》。
He has searched every trick and racked his brain for this matter . But instead of finding a decent option he has opted for a way that undermines the Rules of Procedure
此外，每位法案委員會委員也可以提出CSA，即全體委員會審議階段修正案。
Moreover all members of a Bills Committee can propose CSAs . Any CSA proposed in a Bills Committee will be decided by way of vote
這些修正案可以經法案委員會自行投票，如果投票通過，亦代表整個立法會通過這些修正案的機會大增。
If a CSA is passed in a Bills Committee its likelihood of being passed in the committee of the whole Council is increased
雖然我認為這種做法未必最好，因為政府很霸道，對於議員提出的修正案，政府即使表示同意，但也要經政府修正，否則便會反對。
This may not be the best approach because the Government has been very dogmatic . Even if the Government agrees with a Members CSA it has to take it as its amendment; otherwise the Government will oppose it
事務委員會怎麼可能這樣做呢？
How could a panel operate like a Bills Committee?