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主席，我們現在討論的是張超雄議員根據《基本法》第七十三條第五項及第七十三條第十項動議的議案，傳召懲教署署長及懲教署助理署長到立法會席前，就懷疑有在囚人士被懲教署人員施以酷刑和其他殘忍、不人道或有辱人格的待遇或處罰作證及出示所有相關的文據、簿冊、紀錄或文件。
President we are now discussing the motion moved by Dr Fernando CHEUNG under Articles 735 and 7310 of the Basic Law of the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region of the Peoples Republic of China which seeks to summon the Commissioner of Correctional Services and the Assistant Commissioner of Correctional Services to attend before the Council to testify and to produce all relevant papers books records or documents in relation to suspected torture and other cruel inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment inflicted by any officer of the Correctional Services Department on the prisoners
主席，首先，我想回應建制派同事剛才指這是濫用程序的說法，他們認為在其他會議討論，包括保安事務委員會或申訴部，也可以收到同樣效果。
President first of all I want to respond to an earlier remark made by a pro - establishment colleague that this motion is an abuse of procedure arguing that the same effect can be attained if the issue is dealt with by the Panel on Security or the Complaints Division
大家可能沒有認真細閱張超雄議員這項議案的措辭，當中要求署長在前來立法會回應質詢的同時，也要出示所有相關的文據、簿冊、紀錄或文件。
Perhaps Members have not carefully studied the wordings of the motion moved by Dr Fernando CHEUNG as he not only requests the Commissioner to attend before the Council to answer questions but also to produce the relevant papers books records or documents
主席，這正是《基本法》第七十三條第十項賦予立法會傳召的權力，可要求署長帶同文件到立法會席前。
President this is precisely the summonsing power vested in the Legislative Council under Article 7310 of the Basic Law to request the Commissioner to attend before the Council with the relevant documents
主席，陳克勤議員剛才的說法可圈可點。
President the earlier remark made by Mr CHAN Hak - kan can be interpreted in different ways
舉例而言，根據由同事整理2016年的數字，由投訴調查組展開調查的個案有120宗，由投訴調查組監察所處理的個案有44宗，由投訴調查組處理的求助/查詢個案有181宗，全部合共345宗。
For example according to the figures of 2016 consolidated by colleagues the number of cases entailing the Complaints Investigation Unit CIU to make investigation was 120; cases handled by institutions under CIU monitoring was 44; and cases of requestsenquiries handled by CIU was 181 . Altogether they added up to 345 cases
這是全港各個監獄在1年內接收的投訴個案數目。
This is the number of complaints received from various institutions in Hong Kong in one year
不過，有一點很特別，就是由懲教署投訴委員會批簽通過投訴調查組的調查結果有113宗，但證明屬實的是零宗。
However there is something very special . Among the 113 cases in which the findings of CIU investigation were endorsed by the Correctional Services Department Complaints Committee none was substantiated
由於設有投訴機制，所以有數百人提出投訴，但經調查後卻只有零宗實屬，而投訴個案一般都屬於"未能證實"或"無法證實"的類別。
Complaint mechanisms have been put in place and hundreds of prison inmates lodged complaints but none of the complaint case was substantiated after investigation and most of them are classified as Not Proven or Unsubstantiated
再加上官員前來立法會，並不會提供相關的文據、簿冊、紀錄或文件，只有由保安局代寫的一些官樣文章，但基本上都沒有回應議員的問題，亦沒有實質回應張超雄議員這次提出的各項要求，結果議員各自站在不同的立場表述意見。
Worse still the public officers who attended before the Council did not produce the relevant papers books records or documents except for the gobbledygook prepared by the Security Bureau which could in no way address Members concerns or make substantive response to the various requests put forward by Dr Fernando CHEUNG in this motion . As a result Members merely expressed views from their own standpoints
這完全不是公審，而是將市民關心的問題，透過立法會這個正式的渠道處理。
This is definitely not a public trial but to address an issue of public concern through the proper channel of the Legislative Council
如果這項議案不獲通過，無法啟動一個真正有效的機制可以實實在在提供文件，讓質詢或對話在有原材料的情況下發生，我相信建議的"監懲會"將會成立無期，因為按照目前政府及保安局的態度來看，只會將這項建議放進雪櫃的最深處，然後置之不理，任由現時互相批評和不斷投訴的情況持續下去。
If the motion is not passed and we are unable to put in place a genuinely effective mechanism for the production of documents before the Legislative Council so that inquiries and exchanges can take place with the presence of first - hand materials I think the proposed ICSCC can never be established . This is because judging from the existing attitude of the Government and the Security Bureau the proposal would only be cast aside and ignored and hence criticisms and complaints will persist in the days to come
這兩天非建制派議員發言的策略，基本上是上綱上線，要盡力批判何君堯議員，搶佔似是而非的所謂道德高地。
The tactics adopted by these non - establishment Members in their speeches in these two days are basically to blow the matter out of proportion . They have made their utmost effort to criticize Dr Junius HO for seizing the so - called moral high ground
所以，虧他們還可以誇誇其談，反對暴力語言和行為。
How can they still boast that they oppose verbal and behavioural violence?
當我們看到龍和道有示威人士，竟然在紙製或木製盾牌暗藏鐵釘，引致有警員受傷，身上出現一排孔洞，當時坐在我們右手邊的這群尊貴議員往哪裏去了？
Where were these Honourable Members sitting on our right hand side when we saw protesters in Lung Wo Road hiding iron nails behind paper or wooden shields that caused injuries to the police officers with a row of holes in their bodies?
在年初一晚的旺角暴亂中，有警務人員右邊臉頰骨全部碎裂。
In the Mong Kok riot on the night of the first day of the Chinese New Year the right cheekbones of a police officer were entirely fragmented
我和我的建制派同事前往醫院探望他，感到非常憤怒和難過。
My pro - establishment colleagues and I visited him in the hospital and we felt very angry and upset
我們於是發聲明譴責，在議事堂上坐在右邊的同事又往哪裏去了？
We then issued a statement to condemn the incident . Where were these colleagues sitting on the right hand side in the Council?
你們不要忘記，當你伸出你的手指指向別人的同時，也有3隻手指指向自己。
Do not forget that when you point your finger at someone else you have three fingers pointing to yourself
也有一些非建制派議員，在發言中為了矮化何君堯議員，不斷說要"包容和寬恕"。
Some non - establishment Members say continuously in their speech that we should tolerate and forgive in order to dwarf Dr Junius HO
其實，我也真的很希望他們能真心包容和寬恕，很希望我們的議事堂能夠重拾正常議事的態度，而不是利用某些機會，胡亂指摘建制派同事，辛辛苦苦為香港維持秩序的警務人員，以及用個人時間和青春為市民服務的官員。
Actually I really hope that they can truly tolerate and forgive . I very much hope that our Council can regain its normal attitude on the procedures instead of making use of certain opportunities to indiscriminately accuse the pro - establishment colleagues and police officers who make painstaking efforts to maintain order of Hong Kong and officials who serve the community with their personal time and limited life
其實這類暴力語言，我們過往已聽得太多，我真的不想複述。
Actually we have heard too much verbal violence in the past . I really do not want to repeat it
基本上，我不想再浪費時間在這項議題上，我已發言超過7分鐘，是時候閉口。
Basically I do not want to waste further time on this topic . I have spoken for more than seven minutes and it is time to shut up
可是，代理主席，我要重申，我和經民聯的同事均支持陳克勤議員提出，"不得就譴責議案再採取任何行動"的議案。
Deputy President however I would like to reiterate that both my colleagues of the Business and Professionals Alliance for Hong Kong and I support the motion that no further action be taken on the censure motion moved by Mr CHAN Hak - kan
主席，我剛才希望林健鋒議員澄清，是因為他聲稱有人認為擲磚頭的示威者是在進行和平示威。
President I asked Mr Jeffrey LAM to clarify just now because he claimed it was the view of some people that protesters who threw bricks were staging peaceful demonstrations
當水炮車一如警方其他武器會對人身造成傷害，市民或立法會向警方問過明白，又是否真的很無聊和沒有必要？
As water cannon vehicles just like other weapons of the Police can inflict harm to human body are the questions raised to the Police by the public or the Legislative Council with the aim of having a full understanding really that frivolous and unnecessary?
我請保安局說句公道話，我在立法會審議財政預算案時曾提出書面質詢，我知道涂謹申議員亦多番要求保安事務委員會就此事進行討論及提供文件。
I would like the Security Bureau to make an impartial remark . I raised a written question when the Legislative Council was scrutinizing the Budget . I know that Mr James TO also asked the Panel on Security several times to hold discussions on this matter and provide papers
這一定是對所有人最好的結果。
This is certainly the best result for all
我們的要求已經列得如此仔細，我看不到有任何理由，足以支持任何派別的同事反對梁繼昌議員的議案。
Our requests have been specified in details . I do not see any sufficient justifications to support colleagues of any camp to oppose Mr Kenneth LEUNGs motion
毛議員，我要在此澄清，我認為你剛才的發言是對懲教署工作的一般表述，與在囚人士懷疑被施以酷刑和其他殘忍、不人道或有辱人格待遇的議題有所偏離。
Ms MO I have to clarify that I think you were speaking about the works of the CSD in general . I believe that was digression from the motion in relation to suspected torture and other cruel inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment inflicted by any officer of the Correctional Services Department on the prisoners
我不會再投訴，因為懲教署嚴格執行規定。
I will not complain again because they were exercising the rules strictly
主席，我是根據《基本法》第七十三條第五項及第七十三條第十項，動議傳召懲教署署長及懲教署助理署長於2018年1月31日及2月7日到立法會席前作證及出示文件。
In accordance with Articles 735 and 7310 of the Basic Law I moved to summon the Commissioner of the Correctional Services and the Assistant Commissioner of Correctional Services Operations to attend before the Council on 31 January 2018 and 7 February 2018 to testify and produce documents
主席，我是兒童權利小組委員會主席，我們在5月舉行了一個會議，我們的議題是"感化院舍及懲教所內的兒童權利"。
President I am the Chairman of the Subcommittee on Childrens Rights . We held a meeting in May and our topic was Rights of children in Correctional Home and Correctional Institution
在5月份的會議上，我們非常驚訝、詫異，聽到前少年犯親身說在懲教所內受到虐待。
At the meeting we were very surprised and really shocked to hear from former young offenders themselves that they had been abused in the correctional institutions
我們及後亦看到有50位前少年犯接受傳媒訪問，他們都說在懲教所內受到肉體和精神虐待。
Later we also saw the news reports about 50 former young offenders who were interviewed by the media . All of them said that they had been abused physically and mentally in the correctional institutions
他們分別轉介自8個社福機構，而其中說的是他們由1990年代至2000年，以至最近5年的經驗。
They were referred to the institutions from eight social welfare organizations respectively . They talked about their experiences between the 1990s and 2000 and in the past five years
這些前青少年犯未必互相認識，但他們的說話非常吻合，以致我們非常擔憂懲教所內是否出現虐待青少年犯的事宜。
These former young offenders may not know each other but their versions are so consistent that we are greatly concerned whether there have been such instances of abuses in the correctional institutions
在6月13日，我和邵家臻議員去信保安事務委員會，要求討論有關懲教所涉嫌虐待囚犯的事宜。
On 13 June Mr SHIU Ka - chun and I wrote to the Panel on Security requesting discussion on the suspected abuse of offenders in correctional institutions
很可惜，這議題一直並無安排討論。
To our regret no discussion on this issue was arranged
在6月和9月份，政府作出回覆，但政府的回信只是重申懲教署一般所謂申訴的機制，並無作出任何具體回應。
Then in June and September respectively there were replies from the Administration which only referred to the so - called regular complaint mechanism without specifically responding to our complaints
其實，保安事務委員會其中一項待議事項，是懲教署在康復和社區教育方面的工作，這項議程本來是在2017年6月6日進行討論，但政府押後這事項的討論。
In fact on the list of outstanding items for discussion by the Panel on Security there is an item related to the work of the Correctional Services Department CSD on rehabilitation services and community education . This item was originally scheduled to be discussed on 6 June 2017 . The Administration however postponed the discussion of this item
直至現在，我們就着這項議題的待議事項仍未有任何進行討論的日期。
So far there is no scheduled date for the discussion on the outstanding item about this issue
主席，我未必需要在此指出保安事務委員會一直不願意討論這議題，我知道保安事務範圍很廣。
President it may not be necessary for me to point out here that the Panel of Security has always been reluctant to discuss this issue . I understand that there are many items on the list which cover a wide range of security matters
保安事務委員會主席陳克勤議員很清楚我和邵家臻議員的要求，但可能一直不能安排上來。
Mr Chan Hak - kan Chairman of the Panel of Security understands my request and Mr SHIU Ka - chuns very well . However he may not be able to arrange for the discussion
主席，根據過去的報道，以及在會議上的作證，呈現出來的圖像非常可怕。
President according to previous media reports and the testimonies heard in meetings it is really a horrible picture
我們聽到他們說，在懲教所說的是對待少年犯的處所 會出現一些肉體的虐待。
We have heard from them that in these correctional institutions for young offenders they were subject to physical abuses
他們已經將這些虐待方式套以一些名稱，例如"雞翼"、"刨冰"、"芥蘭"。
They have different names for different ways of torture such as chicken wing chip ice and kale . Chicken wing means hitting the back of offenders with ones elbow
"雞翼"就是以手踭打囚犯背部；"芥蘭"是以膝蓋撞擊囚犯大腿；"刨冰"就是以手指關節在囚犯肋骨之間的位置摩擦；還有"快車"或"抓板"，就是以木尺或硬物打他們的手掌和腳掌。
Kale means kneeing the offenders in their thigh . Chip ice means grinding with ones finger joints between the ribs of offenders . There are also express and grabbing board which mean using wooden ruler or hard object to hit their palms and soles
"排骨"就是拳打腰間近肋骨的位置；"倒嘜"就是要他們在1分鐘內吃光極熱的粥，如果吃不完，便直接倒在他們頭上。
Ribs means punching an offenders waist near the ribs . Pouring Mug means that the inmates are requested to finish a bowl of extremely hot congee within one minute or the bowl of congee will be poured directly onto their heads if they cannot finish eating
他們在敘述中說到被人掌摑，以致聽覺永久受損，耳膜穿了；要被迫像狗般趴在地上吃飯，不准用手或任何工具。
They also talked about being slapped in the face such that their ear drums were damaged and they suffered permanent hearing impairment . They were forced to kneel on the floor to eat without using their hands or utensils
甚至有囚犯會被要求自瀆，然後連水飲掉這些自瀆的排液；飲他們的尿液，甚至有說他們要吃屎，以冬青膏塗抹陽具，這些種種行為令人震驚。
Some inmates were even asked to masturbate and drink their own discharge of masturbation together with water or to drink their own urine or even eat their own excrement or apply methyl salicylate to their penises . It is really astounding
主席，我們不能肯定，我們無法有任何具體證據以了解這些事情究竟有沒有發生。
President we are not sure as we do not have any concrete evidence to prove that such things have actually happened
其中一些過來人說，在懲教所內被人打已經是傳統，亦有不少青少年犯提到他們曾經想過自殺。
Some of the former young prisoners said that it was a norm for inmates to be beaten up inside the correctional facilities and many of them mentioned that they had thought of committing suicide
在現行制度下，如果少年犯作出投訴，令署方或懲教人員不滿意的情況下，其實可以要他們加監；而當他們離開懲教所後一年或兩年期間，懲教人員會繼續跟進，如果認為他們行為不當，可以隨時召他們回監倉，這是少年犯其中一種特別的安排。
Under the existing system if the young inmates complain and in case the Department or the Correctional officers are not satisfied with that their sentence may be increased . After their discharge from the institutions there will be a post - supervisory period for one or two years . Their cases will be followed up by the Correctional Services officers
我們亦聽到由於這些安排，令很多少年犯噤若寒蟬，不敢把情況原原本本地說出來。
If they misbehave they may be recalled to prison at any time . This is one of the special arrangements for young offenders . We also hear that many young inmates dare not speak out or tell the truth because of this arrangement
主席，香港是一個文明社會，我們明白社會上當有人犯事時，便應該受到懲罰，但懲教署在35年前由監獄署改名為懲教署，其實意思便是在懲罰以外，亦應該要教導，讓曾經犯錯的人改過自新。
President Hong Kong is a civilized society . We understand that if a person has committed an offence the person should be punished . Thirty - five years ago the Department changed its name from Prisons Department to Correctional Services Department so as to allow inmates to receive guidance apart from punishment so that they would make corrections and be rehabilitated
我們在立法會兒童權利小組委員會所聽到的描述或在外間看到的報道，確實也使我們相當擔心。
What we have heard in the Subcommittee on Childrens Rights of the Legislative Council and from media reports really make us feel gravely concerned
所以，我們一直也希望與懲教署作直接對話。
Therefore we always like to have a direct dialogue with the CSD
主席，很可惜過去我們收到的回覆，也是由保安當局或懲教署當局，不斷重複指出現已有申訴渠道，如果有證據便請投訴或甚至報警，交由警方執法。
President I find it very regrettable that so far the Security Bureau or the CSD has only been repeating in their replies to us that there are already channels for making complaints; and if we have any evidence we can lodge a complaint or even call the police which will then take enforcement actions
主席，但我們是否每次也要用報警來解決問題呢？
President do we have to call the police to solve an issue every time?
現時有50名前少年犯出來講述其過往經歷，而且內容相當具體、仔細及具一致性。
At present 50 former juvenile offenders have told us their past experiences with specific details and consistency
主席，我們已經不想再面對這種態度。
President we no longer want to face this attitude
我們要求當局堂堂正正站出來，面對這些我們不敢肯定是否100%真實的指控。
We request the authorities to come out and face up to the accusations though we are not sure if these accusations are 100 % true
可是，它們每次也只以文件答覆，每次也是說現已有渠道，例如可向太平紳士、申訴專員或立法會議員投訴。
However every time they just submit papers and repeat the same answer that there are already channels for making complaints . For example one can lodge complaints with the JPs The Ombudsman or the Members of the Legislative Council
以上個案浮面，我們在傳媒報道中又看到有前少年犯，勇敢站出來向公眾說出其親身經歷。
According to the Coroners Court he died of an unknown cause . Along with the surfacing of these cases we learn from media reports that these former young inmates were brave enough to come out and tell the public their own experiences in the correctional facilities
主席，在這時候，我們是否要請當局面向問題呢？
President at this time should we ask the authorities to face up to the issue?
之後辯論即告結束。
The debate will come to a close after he has replied
首先我要說清楚，我們要求引用《基本法》傳召懲教署署長及助理署長出席立法會，並提供有關的文件，並不代表我們認為所有懲教人員均玩忽職守、虐待囚犯。
First of all I have to make it clear that our summoning of the Commissioner and the Assistant Commissioner of Correctional Services Operations to attend before the Council and to produce relevant papers does not mean that we consider all CSD officers are guilty of dereliction of duty and prisoner abuse
懲教署一定做了很多好事，幫助了很多囚友更生，我對此毫無疑問。
CSD has definitely done many good deeds and helped many prisoners rehabilitate . We have no doubt about that
我亦得知有兩位前 少年罪犯，不單具名還提供照片，指出他們當年的被虐經歷，亦令我感到非常難受。
I also know that two former juvenile offenders had not only provided their names but also photos when giving an account of the abuse they suffered while they were in custody years ago . I am much saddened to hear their stories
最近被判有罪的朱經緯是總警司，經過司法程序，證明他做錯事，他也被判入獄。
Police Superintendent Franklin CHU has recently been convicted through judicial proceeding of some wrongdoings and has been sentenced to imprisonment
這是否等於整個警隊都犯錯？
Does it mean that the entire Police Force has committed mistakes?
警隊過去多年當然有很多貢獻。
The Police have certainly made great contributions to society over the years
沒有警察，如何維持治安？
Without the Police who will maintain law and order?
是否所有警察都必然專業、果斷、盡忠職守？
Does it mean that all police officers are professional resolute and dedicated to their duty?
有問題出現時，我們就要調查，把問題放在太陽之下。
When there are problems investigation must be conducted and the problem must be exposed under the sun
兩年前警方在美田邨錯誤拘捕一名智障人士，我當時與當事人向獨立監察警方處理投訴委員會、向警察投訴課投訴，警方作出調查後交監警會跟進，監警會因為不滿意結果，因此再進行調查，最終對6名警員作出12項指控，包括玩忽職守、濫用職權、捏造證據、行為不當，全部屬實。
Two years ago the Police wrongfully arrested a mentally handicapped person in Mei Tin Estate . I accompanied that person to lodge a complaint to the Independent Police Complaints Council IPCC and the Complaints Against Police Office CAPO . Upon investigation the Police referred the case to IPCC for follow - up
對於這種事件，我們是否不應投訴，而投訴便會抹黑警方？
In the face of such incidents should we not lodge complaints? . Is lodging a complaint tantamount to discrediting the Police?
整個投訴機制、調查機制都是自己人查自己人，警方至今仍是如此，但起碼也設有監警會。
The entire complaint mechanism is based on officers investigating their own peers . This system is still applicable to the Police but at least there is IPCC
整個過程可能只增進太平紳士的知識，但對囚犯卻起不到實際幫助。
The whole process may give JPs a better understanding of the system but it does nothing to help inmates
現時太平紳士的監察制度，的確有很大缺失。
The present JP monitoring system is indeed rather defective
聯合國在2016年已建議我們成立一個獨立機構，進行有效的太平紳士突擊巡查行動。
Back in 2016 the United Nations already recommended the establishment of an independent organization in Hong Kong to arrange effective blitz inspections by JPs
我們從來沒有抹煞懲教署過去的貢獻及今天的努力，我們亦非常明白懲教人員面對人員流失、工作時間長及工作地點偏遠等困難，我們認為全部都要改善。
We have never ignored CSDs past contributions and its efforts today and we fully understand the difficulties faced by CSD officers including staff wastage long working hours and remote workplaces . We think improvements should be made
剛好相反，我們希望在太陽下，將整件事開誠布公。
On the contrary we intend to make the whole issue public and expose everything under the sun
主席，昨天和今天對何君堯議員的譴責，"黑雲壓城城欲摧"，他們對何君堯議員進行圍攻，是以言入罪的典型例子。
President the speeches on the censure against Dr Junius HO in yesterdays and todays meetings are just like dark clouds over the city threatening to crush it down . The fact that they attack Dr Junius HO from all sides is the classical example of making conviction by ones expression of opinions
在該集會場合中，有人說"殺"，何君堯議員便接着說"無赦"，"殺無赦"這詞語即使是在中國歷史上、文學上也曾出現。
In the relevant public assembly someone said kill then Dr Junius HO said without mercy . The term kill without mercy can be found in the history and literary works of China
但是，現在有人說要"隊 冧"誰，這用語較剛才提及何君堯議員所用的詞語的原則根本完全不同。
But now someone indicates to take somebody out . The rhetoric is totally different from the wording used by Dr Junius HO that I have mentioned just now
談到煽動暴力，大家有目共睹，是誰在立法會的議事堂內，使用語言暴力，甚至肢體暴力？
Speaking about the incitement of violence that is something everyone can see . Who has been using verbal violence or even physical violence in this Chamber of the Legislative Council?
這些都是大家均可見，有紀錄可查，有錄像可以翻看的。
This is something everybody has seen . Every person can check the records as there are videos recordings for us to check
誰在社會上搞暴力、搞抗爭，使用不法手段？
Who has been resorting to violence in society engaging in resistance and resorting to illegal means?
同時，在議會內表決時，又可達到他們反華、反中、搗亂香港的目的。
At the same time they can achieve the anti - Chinese and anti - China purposes as well as creating chaos in Hong Kong during the voting in the legislature
其實，我們應當面戳破他們的政治目的，是何其險惡，多謝主席。
Actually we should directly expose their malicious political agenda . Thank you President
主席，多位建制派同事讀出事先準備的講稿，陳述為何需要購買水炮車，又指警方須有配備。
President a number of colleagues from the pro - establishment camp have already read out the speeches written in advance stating why it is necessary to purchase water cannon vehicles . They also point out that the Police must be equipped
陳克勤議員剛才表示不認同議案，但由於他是保安事務委員會主席，所以不能引用其他同事的陳腔濫調作出回應。
Just now Mr CHAN Hak - kan said that he did not agree to the motion . However as the Chairman of the Panel on Security he of course cannot invoke ramblings and clichés similar to those of other colleagues in his response
但是，如果立法會傳召，處長便不得不回答。
However if the Commissioner is summoned by the Legislative Council he has to give a reply
警察守則會說明何謂合乎比例的武力、在甚麼情況下可以開槍、甚麼情況不可開槍等，好讓市民作出監察。
The guidelines of the Police Force state clearly what is meant by proportionate force under what circumstances a police officer can fire his gun under what circumstances he cannot fire his gun so as to facilitate the monitoring of the public
在一個民主、現代的社會，掌握權力的人無論是要除暴安良還是拘捕賊人，都是為市民執掌權力。
In a democratic modern society the people in power irrespective of whether they are engaged in operations of eradicating the bad elements for the safety of law - abiding citizens or arresting thieves they are enforcing the power on behalf of the public
梁繼昌議員要求披露的水炮車資料，正正與警察守則現已披露的事項屬於同一層次，並非所謂的"行動細節"。
The information on water cannon vehicles as requested by Mr Kenneth LEUNG is exactly on the same level as the matters already disclosed in the guidelines of the Police Force
不過，我相信，香港市民越來越聰明，越來越多人了解時事，有常識及知識的人亦越來越多，因為資訊越來越發達。
However I believe Hong Kong people are getting smarter and smarter . There is an increasing number of people who are capable of understanding current issues . The number of people who have common sense and knowledge is also on the rise
市民恍如陪審團，會考慮要求是否過分或離譜。
The public are like a jury . They are capable of judging whether the request is outrageous or has gone too far
今天的討論無關應否購買水炮車或警方裝備是否足夠等事宜。
Todays discussion is not related to issues such as whether water cannon vehicles should be purchased or whether the equipment of the Police is adequate
主席，我信任香港市民的判斷，儘管經過一些大割裂後，有人可能難以平心靜氣考慮此問題。
President I trust the judgment of Hong Kong people . Despite the serious splits of the society some people may find it hard to consider this issue in a rational and calm manner
建制派議員無須再作煽動，市民亦不會被煽動。
Colleagues from the pro - establishment camp must not engage in the action of inciting again . The public will not be incited
現屆政府不再是梁振英政府，而是林鄭月娥政府。
The current - term Government is not the LEUNG Chun - ying Government; instead it is the Carrie LAM Government
當絕大多數市民並沒有這種想法，引用這些例子就是想要繼續撕裂社會。
When the majority of the public do not think this way the aim of citing these examples is to perpetuate the split of our society
主席，首先，我想申報利益，我跟何君堯議員是香港大學四年班同班同學。
President first of all I would like to declare interest . Dr Junius HO and I were classmates in our fourth year at the University of Hong Kong
不過，我確實希望聽聽，究竟何議員會如何回應社會大眾，或同事較早前的發言。
However I really hope to know how exactly Dr HO would respond to the general public or the speeches made by my colleagues earlier on
我確實有點失望。
I really feel somewhat disappointed