Borrison/hk-legicost huggingface dataset:
假如每個人都好像泛民一樣，霸佔道德高地，但對"假難民"的問題"隻眼開，隻眼閉"，只為一小撮人的利益着想......
If everyone is like the pan - democrats who have seized the moral high ground but are unduly lenient in dealing with the problem of bogus refugees focusing only on the interests of a small handful of people
律政司不知是否因時間關係，還是要好好地籌備，最終要到預備上庭作第二次審前覆核，即11月24日，才大幅度削減要求索取的文件數量，而要求作供的立法會人員數目亦由7位減至5位。
For reasons unknown such as time constraint or the need to make better preparation DoJ finally made an application for special leave on 24 November that is immediately before the scheduled second pre - trial review the number of documents required to be produced was significantly reduced and only five instead of seven officers are required to give evidence
當然，律政司亦不敢怠慢，終於詳細列出理由。
Surely this time DoJ dares not take the issue lightly and has finally set out its reasons in detail
這些都不要緊，但律政司在信件較後部分似乎想安撫大家，並提到："指明文件將被用來證明相關的議會程 序曾經進行，以及被告人曾經參與該等程序。
Those are some of the matters mentioned in the documents and they are quite okay . But towards the end of the letter DoJ seemingly wants to pacify Members by stating that The specified documents will be used to prove that the relevant parliamentary proceedings took place and that the Defendant participated in the proceedings
控方並非試圖懷疑或質疑相關的會議過程紀錄或報告所記錄被告人發出的任何言論的真實性或適當性。
The Prosecution is not seeking to question or challenge the veracity or propriety of anything said by the Defendant as recorded in the relevant records of proceedings or reports
當然，也有一些近期在2015年或2016年的例子。
Of course there are also other more recent cases in 2015 and 2016
故此，多位民主派議員曾致函主席閣下，希望押後討論這個議程項目，因為如此嚴肅的一件事，議員只有兩天時間預備或翻查紀錄，實在不足夠；我們希望可以工整、嚴肅和謹慎地處理整件事。
For this reason a number of Members wrote to the President to express the wish that discussion on this Agenda item be deferred because given the seriousness of the matter Members simply do not have enough time to make preparation or review past records within two days . We hope that the matter can be handled in a neat serious and prudent manner
我們最初只收到一份文件，即律政司來函的翻譯本，提述為何署方要求索取相關資料，但當時議員沒有雙方之前書信往來的資料。
Initially we only received one document viz the translated version of the letter from DoJ stating its reasons for requesting the production of the relevant information . But at that time Members had no information about the previous correspondences between the Secretariat and DoJ
我希望主席明白，我們不是想搞事。
I hope the President can understand that we do not want to create trouble
主席，今天是2016年12月1日，還有1個多月時間，我看不到為何要急於在兩天內處理？
President it is 1 December 2016 today and there is still more than one month left . I cannot see why the matter should be dealt with hurriedly within two days
為何連下星期處理也不可以？
Why cant it deferred to next week?
我們不是拖延，因為根據傳媒報道，預計審訊會在明年5月底至6月進行，可見真的沒有甚麼急切性，一定要在兩天內匆匆處理，對嗎？
We are not procrastinating because according to media reports the trial is not expected to take place until May or June next year . It is quite clear that the matter is not so urgent that it must be dealt with hurriedly in two days time right?
無論是從程序、議員責任或主席責任的角度而言，大家都希望可以更工整和公正地辦事，所以我們要求有更多時間處理，但很可惜，我們的要求被你拒絕了。
We merely hope that the matter can be handled in a more tidy and fair manner in terms of procedure Members duty or the Presidents duty . That is why we requested that more time be taken to handle the application . But regrettably our request was rejected by you
剛才多位同事已經陳述過我們對相關程序等各方面的憂慮，這些憂慮並非毫無理據，相反地，這些憂慮在法律上有根有據，所以，我們會支持姚松炎議員提出的議案。
A moment ago a number of Honourable colleagues have already expressed our concerns on various aspects including the relevant procedures . Far from being groundless these concerns are well - justified legally . Hence we will support the motion moved by Dr YIU Chung - yim
我希望全港市民不會只視這為單一事件，而是會看到這對於立法會議員，特別是反對派議員和民主派會議的議員來說，是一種傷害和剿滅。
I hope that all Hong Kong people will not just regard this as an isolated incident but will realize that this is an attempt to hurt and eliminate Members of the Legislative Council especially Members from the opposition camp and the pro - democracy caucus
我希望全港市民都能以這角度理解此事。
I hope that all Hong Kong people can understand this matter from this perspective
所以，我支持郭榮鏗議員根據《議事規則》第902條動議的拒絕給予許可的議案。
I thus support the motion moved by Mr Dennis KWOK under Rule 902 of the Rules of Procedure that the leave be refused
主席，我根據《議事規則》第902條，動議拒絕給予許可的議案。
President I move in accordance with RoP 902 the motion that the leave be refused
我反對給予許可的理由十分清楚及重要，因為立法會議員的發言受到《立法會條例》的保護，特別是該條例第4條清楚指明"不得因任何議員曾在立法會或任何委員會席前發表言論，或在提交立法會或委員會的報告書中發表的言論，或因他曾以呈請書、條例草案、決議、動議或其他方式提出的事項而對他提起民事或刑事法律程序。
The grounds on which I refuse the leave are clear and significant as speeches made by Legislative Council Members are protected by the Legislative Council Ordinance Cap . 382 . Section 4 of this Ordinance in particular clearly provides that [n]o civil or criminal proceedings shall be instituted against any member for words spoken before or written in a report to the Council or a committee or by reason of any matter brought by him therein by petition Bill resolution motion or otherwise
" 我再三強調，第4條說的是，議員在立法會發表的言論是受到保護的，條例的精神是要保護立法會議員可以在會議中暢所欲言，不需要擔心發言會帶來法律的後果，這樣才可以令到立法會議員能夠有效充分反映民意，不用懼怕政治壓力。
Let me stress once again that section 4 provides that speeches made by Members in the Council are protected . The spirit of this section is to offer protection to Members allowing them to make comments in the Council without restrictions or concerns about legal consequences . It is under such a condition that Members can be free from political pressure and thus be able to reflect public opinions effectively
這把"保護傘"在今天專權的香港社會之中，尤為重要。
This umbrella of protection is especially important to the present - day Hong Kong society which is under autocratic rule
作為議員，我們的天職是監察政府，如果失去了言論的保護，將會難以監察政府，甚至會造成寒蟬效應，令到議員不敢發言。
As Members our primal duty is to monitor the Government . If we lose our speech protection it will be hard for us to monitor the Government and the chilling effect this might generate could even silence the Members
所以，如果我們容許議員的發言內容呈上作為法定程序的證供，我恐怕會開了一個極壞的先例。政府日後可以在先例之下，理所當然地把立法會議員的發言內容，變成在法庭裏狙擊"眼中釘"的工具，方便專權的政府以言入罪。
Therefore if we allow Members speeches to be submitted as evidence under statutory procedures I am afraid this may set an extremely bad precedent under which the Government is granted with a de facto licence to turn Members speeches into tools for sniping eyesores in court thus opening the door for the autocracy to criminalize speech
大家應該看看今次的案件所涉及的，在刑事法律程序之中作證。
We should note that the case in question involves giving evidence in criminal proceedings
律政司在信件中說：控方想取得立法會的會議紀錄，用來證明梁國雄議員曾經參與立法會會議。
DoJ said in the letter that the Prosecution would like to obtain copies of proceedings and minutes so as to prove Mr LEUNG Kwok - hungs meeting attendance in Legislative Council meetings
如果只是想證明某位議員曾經參與會議，其實並不需要取得任何會議紀錄，有很多更簡單的方法已足以證明某位議員曾經在當天出席會議。
If one aims only at ascertaining the attendance of a certain Member it indeed is not necessary to obtain copies of proceedings and minutes . There are many simpler ways to sufficiently prove that a Member did attend the meeting on a particular day
再者，律政司在信件裏清楚指出，今次搜證的範圍已經踏進了《立法會條例》的部分，寫得非常坦白。
Moreover DoJ has clearly and very frankly stated in the letter that this time the scope of evidence gathering falls within the ambit of the Ordinance
既然如此，為何律政司仍然要挑戰難關，想經過立法會複雜的程序索取有關的紀錄，而只是想證明一位議員曾經在某天開會呢？
As this is the case why does DoJ bother to take on the challenge of going through the complicated procedures of the Council so as to obtain the relevant records just for the sake of ascertaining the attendance of a Member in a meeting held on a particular date?
梁國雄議員的出席率以高見稱，律政司其實可以有其他方法證明梁議員當天曾經參加會議，為何偏要執意索取立法會會議紀錄而進入第90條的程序呢？
Mr LEUNG Kwok - hung is famous for his good attendance record . DoJ indeed has other ways to prove that Mr LEUNG did attend the meeting on that day . Why does it insist obtaining copies of proceedings and minutes to the extent that it even proceeds to the procedures laid down in RoP 90?
大家要注意，雖然律政司在信件指出，計劃作呈堂的會議紀錄只是用來證明梁國雄議員曾經開會，但律政司的信件中並沒有清楚指明這是否所索取文件的唯一用途。
We should be mindful that though the letter from DoJ indicated that the proceedings and minutes when submitted to the Court were intended to prove the attendance of Mr LEUNG Kwok - hung it did not specify whether that was the sole use of the documents in question
我們可以估計，一旦會議紀錄作為呈報證供，除了證明議員的出席情況外，還可以發揮很多非常難以預計、空間十分廣闊的其他效果。
We can reckon that once the proceedings and minutes are submitted as evidence apart from proving the attendance of a Member there is ample room for them to be used for other highly unpredictable purposes
又例如，律政司會否特別選取梁國雄議員某一些激烈的言詞，甚至斷章取義地揀選他某些批評共產黨的說法，以影響被告在法官心目中的形象呢？
Alternatively will DoJ quote selectively some furious remarks made by Mr LEUNG Kwok - hung or some of his criticisms over the Communist Party out of context so as to influence the judges impression of the accused?
我們不得而知。
We are uncertain of these
既然目的只是要證明梁國雄議員有出席會議，為何一定要索取會議紀錄呢？
Given the purpose is to prove Mr LEUNG Kwok - hungs attendance why must it seek copies of proceedings and minutes?
直到今天為止，我們只是收到律政司兩段簡短的文字，實在不足以讓我們判斷，應否放棄《立法會條例》給予立法會議員重要的言論保護，這做法是否適當。
So far we have only received two brief paragraphs from DoJ too slender for us to determine whether we should surrender the speech protection offered by the Ordinance and whether the arrangement is appropriate
所以，我覺得就今次事件，沒有必要向律政司提交立法會紀錄。
Therefore with regard to the incident in question I do not think it is necessary to provide the proceedings and minutes of this Council to DoJ
立法會需要維護三權分立的原則，守護立法會議員的言論空間，監察政府的法定職能，阻止行政當局使 用公帑，透過司法程序來欺凌民選議員，製造白色恐怖。
The Legislative Council should safeguard the separation of powers principle protect the space for free speech for Members monitor the statutory functions of the Government prevent Executive Authorities from bullying elected Members through judicial proceedings with public money and thus creating white terror
這些過往我們已有見識，實在不能讓今次事件，令我們監察政府的空間進一步收窄。
We have experienced all these before and should definitely not let this incident further reduce our capacity to monitor the Government
如果律政司想取得我們的同意，請他先解釋何以只為證明某位議員的出席，也非要取得會議紀錄不可呢？
If DoJ would like to seek our consent would it please explain why it must obtain copies of proceedings and minutes for the mere purpose of proving the attendance of a certain Member?
最後，我想回應，雖然有人指出，過去提出索取類似會議紀錄的申請也獲得批准，但大家要留意，過去8宗情況跟今次事件在本質上不一樣。
Finally I would like to respond to an assertion that approvals were granted to all other similar applications for copies of proceedings or minutes in the past . We have to note that the nature of the incident in question is different from that of the previous eight incidents
舉例來說，2015年8月的黃毓民案件，是一宗暴力襲擊案。
For instance the incident involving Mr WONG Yuk - man which happened in August 2015 was a violent assault
我強調，該案件並非涉及言論，是關乎行為，狹義上不受《立法會條例》的保護，所以不應該與今次事件混為一談。
I have to stress that particular incident involved not speech but deed which is not protected by the Ordinance in the narrow sense . Therefore the two incidents should not be discussed in the same way
如果大家詳細閱讀其他7宗案件，也會得出同一結論，同意他們都不屬於、不觸及《立法會條例》的保護範圍。
If we study the other seven incidents carefully we will arrive at the same conclusion agreeing that they do not reach or fall within the ambit of protection offered by the Ordinance
所以，我最後再三強調，今次我們必須守護《立法會條例》保護立法會議員言論自由、言論受到保護的重要原則。
Finally I thus have to stress over and over again that this time we must safeguard the Ordinance which upholds the cardinal principles of protecting freedom of speech and protecting Members speeches
我們必須反對律政司根據《議事規則》第90條索取有關資料。
We must oppose DoJ in seeking the relevant information under RoP 90
由於姚松炎議員提出了拒絕給予許可的議案，本會會就這項議案進行辯論。
As Dr YIU Chung - yim has moved the motion that the leave be refused this Council shall proceed to a debate on this motion
我現在向各位提出的待議議題是：姚松炎議員動議的議案，予以通過。
I now propose the question to you and that is That the motion as moved by Dr YIU Chung - yim be passed
主席，感謝各位同事就我動議的議案進行辯論，亦感謝大多數同事發言支持議案。
President I thank all the colleagues for taking part in the debate on the motion I have moved and I also thank the majority of colleagues who have spoken in favour of it
議員如遭受刑事檢控，例如涉及受賄案，建議豁免當地特權條例的保護。
It has been suggested that the protection of their privileges by the local legislation be waived if MPs are subject to criminal prosecution in such cases as bribery
其實，英國政府最終未有採納有關建議，原因詳述於有關報告第155段。
In fact the Government of the United Kingdom had not adopted the proposal in the end . The reasons are set out in detail in paragraph 155 of the relevant report
英國國會議員的反對意見，正正與今日多位同事的發言不謀而合。
The opposing views of MPs happen to coincide with the speeches delivered by a number of Members today
對此，我感到非常失望。
I am very disappointed about this
身為律師的議員，既未能守護法治，更明言放棄對議會及議員的重要保護。
Some Members who are lawyers themselves have not only failed to safeguard the rule of law but have even expressly given up the important protection of the Council and Members
由此可見，英國國會議員比這位香港立法會議員優秀得多。
Evidently British MPs far outsmart this Member
首先，當他們對特權條例不滿時，便進行公開諮詢，並啟動修改條例的程序，而在未修改法例前仍會維護法治精神。
First when they were dissatisfied with the legislation on privileges they conducted a public consultation and triggered the process for amending the legislation . They have continued to uphold the spirit of the rule of law before the amendment of the legislation
謝偉俊議員已指出，這個做法非常危險，隨時會被視作藐視法庭。
As Mr Paul TSE has pointed out this move is very risky and can be regarded as contempt of court at any time
大多數的反對意見都有未審先 判、未判先假定被告有罪的嫌疑。
Many opponents are suspected to have delivered a judgment before trial and presumed the defendant guilty before trial
為何擁有專業律師資格的議員，竟然會未判先假定被告有罪，更指不提供資料便等同包庇？
Why on earth would Members who are qualified lawyers presume that the defendant is guilty even before the judgment is delivered and even claim that failure to provide information is tantamount to shielding the defendant?
坦白說，若有議員同事在立法會會議上直接判定被告有罪，我實在替他們憂心。
Frankly speaking I am worried about Members who has jumped to the conclusion at the Legislative Council meeting that the defendant is guilty
律政司下一個要求，可能便是索取今天會議的紀錄，以檢控這些未審先判的議員。
DoJ will possibly make another request for a record of todays proceedings for the purpose of prosecuting those Members who have delivered a judgment before the trial
最後，我想清楚總結幾點。
Lastly in summing up I would like to clarify a few points
第一，不提交律政司要求的資料，完全無阻本案的檢控工作。
First non - compliance with DoJs request for information will not hinder the prosecution work of the case in question at all
謝偉俊議員已清楚解釋，多位發言支持議案的同事亦清楚說明大量其他可達至相同效果的方法，而無須提交任何資料。
As Mr Paul TSE has clearly explained many Members who just spoke in support of the motion has clearly suggested quite a number of alternatives which can serve the same purpose sparing the need for submitting any information
因此，大家千萬不要被誤導，以為不提交資料便會影響刑事檢控。
Hence we should never be misled into believing that criminal prosecution will be affected without the submission of the information
第一，律政司表示"並非試圖懷疑或質疑......被告人......言論的真實性或適當 性"。
First DoJ indicated that [the Prosecution] is not seeking to question or challenge the veracity or propriety of anything said by the Defendant
律政司只是提及"真實性或適當性"，並沒有否認試圖質疑被告人言論與案件的關連性和引導性。
DoJ only mentioned veracity or propriety but has not denied any attempt to challenge the connection and causality between the matters said by the Defendant and the case in question
第二，律政司在信件中說"控方只是尋求援引該等文件為證據"。
Second DOJ stated in the letter that the Prosecution is seeking to adduce the documents as evidence
政府尋求使用有關文件作為證據，已違反《條例》第71條有關議員在會議席上的言論不得作為證據的規定。
By seeking to adduce the documents as evidence the Government has already breached section 71 of the Ordinance in respect of the provision forbidding the use of any words spoken by Members before the Council or a committee as evidence
第三，律政司說"被告人也不會就其在立法會......的言論承擔任何刑事責任"。
Third DoJ stated that [the Defendant] is not exposed to any criminal liability in respect of what he said in LegCo which has misled many Members into believing that the Defendant is not required to bear any criminal liability even when information has been submitted
第四，律政司說"屆時，法庭可藉該刑事法律程序裁定有關條文的內容，並就使用有關材料所涉及的任何問題作出決定。
Fourth DoJ stated that [i]t will then be for the Court seized of the criminal proceedings to determine the content of the sections and to decide any issues concerning the use of the material
律政司想立法會議員放棄《條例》第71條賦予的權力，將問題交給法庭，由法官決定。
DoJ hopes Members will renounce the power conferred upon them by section 71 of the Ordinance and hand the matter over to the Court to be decided by the Judge
這句話直接要求由法庭處理，只要我們提交資料，法庭便懂得就我們提交的材料所涉及的任何問題作出決定。
This statement is a direct request for the Court to handle the matter . Once we have submitted the information the court will know what decision to make on all the issues in respect of the materials we have produced
這種要求直接破壞三權分立，直接叫立法會議員自毀長城，放棄原本保護議會、保障各位議員言論自由的法定權力，由法庭代為作出裁決。
Such a request has directly undermined the separation of powers . We as Members are asked bluntly to burn our bridges by renouncing the statutory power which originally protects the Council and safeguards freedom of speech of Members so that the Court will deliver its ruling on our behalf
所以，我懇請各位議員細心詳細考慮，這次的要求與之前8次完全不同。
As such I call on Members to give careful and detailed consideration to the fact that this request is completely different from the previous eight requests
如果議員這次同意提交相關資料給律政司，便等於完全放棄、破壞《條例》第71條賦予立法會應有的權力保障......這並不是為保護個人，而是為保護整個......
Members consent to submit the relevant information to DoJ this time is tantamount to a complete renunciation and destruction of the protection of Members necessary power conferred by section 71 of the Ordinance My aim is not to protect individuals but to uphold
在我就這項議案提出待決議題之前......
Before I put to you the question on this motion
我必須指出，若姚議員的議案獲得通過，即意味本會將不會向律政司提供進一步協助。
I must point out that if Dr YIUs motion is passed it would mean that this Council is not going to provide further assistance to DoJ
我認為《議事規則》確有不足之處，因為此事涉及立法會議員，雖然梁議員沒有發言，也不在席，亦不知道他稍後是否打算投票，但我認為梁議員不應該參與本會的投票。
I admit that RoP has shortcomings as the issue under discussion involves a Member of the Legislative Council . Although Mr LEUNG has not spoken or attended the meeting neither do we know whether he is going to vote later on I opine that he should not take part in the voting
雖然本會的《議事規則》只要求議員不得就有直接金錢利益的事宜進行發言及表決，而即使梁議員選擇發言及投票，亦可能未必違反《議事規則》，但大家也記得，本會多次辯論均對政府官員和公職人員加諸非常高的要求，認為除了規則的規範外，應該比紙更白，亦應該接受"陽光測試"。
RoP only provides that Members should neither speak nor vote on matters in which they have direct pecuniary interests and even if Mr LEUNG decides to speak and vote this may not contravene RoP . Notwithstanding that as Members may recall we have imposed very high standard on government officials and public officers in a number of our previous debates requiring them not only to abide by the rules but also have to be whiter than white and subject to the sunshine test
既然我們提出了這樣的要求，我認為亦應對各位議員有同樣的要求。
Given that we have imposed such requirements I think the same requirements should also apply to Members
不過，我聽罷很多支持姚議員議案的議員，卻沒有任何一人指出這一點。
However after listening to a number of Members speaking in support of Dr YIUs motion I notice that none have highlighted this point
大家可以不同意，但他們沒有理由想不到，亦沒有理由看不到。
Members may disagree with me but there is no reason why they have not thought of or realized this point
當然，我也不知道梁議員將有何打算及是否選擇投票，但我希望正在收看這次辯論的公眾人士及傳媒朋友知悉，這是《議事規則》的不足之處。
Of course I have no idea of what Mr LEUNG is thinking or whether he is going to vote but I do hope that members of the public or the media watching this debate would realize that this is a shortcoming of RoP
此外，我也要指出，我們一方面說要維護議會的尊嚴，但如果另一方面卻沒有清楚確認，所有投票的議員皆沒有直接的利益衝突，實屬不負責任的行為。
Also I must point out that while we vow to uphold the dignity of this Council we will be acting irresponsibly if we fail to ascertain whether Members who have voted do not have any direct conflict of interest
當然，我並沒有秘密的資料來源，律政司沒有給我秘密信息，廉政公署亦沒有給我秘密資料，更不知道其他被指收受"黑金"的人在被投訴後，廉署或律政司是否已經開立檔案進行檢控或投訴。
I certainly do not have any secret source of information source and neither DoJ nor the Independent Commission Against Corruption ICAC has given me any secret information . I also have no idea if ICAC or DoJ has opened a file to institute prosecution or lodge complaint against the person who has allegedly received black money
不過，根據一些報章的報道，我也可以告訴正在收看辯論的市民，被指收受"黑金"的政治人物或議員其實不止梁國雄議員一人，而我亦知道已有很多市民前往廉署投訴。
But according to some news reports I can tell members of the public who are watching this debate that Mr LEUNG Kwok - hung is not the only political figure or Member alleged to have received black money . As I am aware many people have already filed complaints to ICAC
讓我引述《東方日報》於2014年7月23日的報道，當中指"集團昨日揭發壹傳媒集團主席黎智英，在過去短短兩年多內，向不同泛民政團及個人秘密捐款合共逾4,000萬元。
Let me quote the new reports of Oriental Daily News dated 23 July 2014 which said that Yesterday our Group revealed that Jimmy LAI Chairman of Next Media Group had within a short period of two - odd years given out secret donations totalling more than 40 million to various pan - democratic political groups or individuals
黎智英昨親口承認有關資料大部分真確。
Yesterday Jimmy LAI admitted that the information was largely accurate
本報翻查立法會議員個人利益登記冊，發現涉嫌收取了黎智英巨款的5名現任泛民議員，全部都沒有申報有關捐款，部分人及其所屬政黨，更曾在收款前後，在立法會的會議上公開為壹傳媒說好話，但從未主動申報收款利益。
After checking the Register of Members Interests of the Legislative Council we found that five incumbent pan - democratic Members who allegedly received huge donations from Jimmy LAI had not declared the relevant donations . Worse still some of them and their political parties had even openly spoken in favour of the Next Media at meetings of the Legislative Council before receiving the donations and had yet to declare the donations on their own initiative
有建制派議員直指該等泛民議員違規，有法律界人士更質疑有關行為可能已觸犯'公職人員行為失當'罪，有區議員不排除日內到廉政公署舉報有關議員。
Members from the pro - establishment camp directly berating these pan - democratic Members for violating the rules and people from the legal sector even queried that these Members might have committed the offence of misconduct in public office . Also it is possible that some District Council member may file a complaint against the Members concerned at ICAC in a few days
" 我們再看看另一篇報道，應該是前一天的......
Let us now turn to another new reports which is published the day before that
今年年中，黎再向眾人'揼水'，民主黨、公民黨及梁國雄維持同一金額，唯獨李卓人獲加碼捐款100萬元"。
While the Democratic Party the Civic Party and LEUNG Kwok - hung received the same amount as last time LEE Cheuk - yan alone received an increased sum of 1 million
主席，我謹此記錄在案。
President I would like to put this on record
雖然我知道《議事規則》未必能夠處理這個問題，但我認為基於議會的尊嚴，實在有需要處理議員直接、潛在或間接的利益衝突。
I understand that RoP may not be able to deal with this matter but for the dignity of this Council I consider it necessary to address the issue of conflict of Members interests be they direct potential or indirect
主席，關於今次的請求。剛才發言反對向執法機關提供文件的議員，主要的論據是給予特別許可將會影響議員的言論自由，甚至違反《條例》第3條及第4條的規定。
President with regard to the present request the major justification given by Members who have just spoken in opposition to the submission of documents to the enforcement authorities is that the granting of special leave may affect Members freedom of speech and even infringe sections 3 and 4 of the Ordinance
事實上，保障議員的言論自由，確保他們在議會內的說話得到保障是非常重要的，否則，我們也不會制定《條例》。
As a matter of fact it is very important to safeguard Members freedom of speech and ensure that their delivery of speeches in this Council is protected . If not we would not have enacted the Ordinance
我們也要多謝秘書處在這項議案獲列入議程前，已經做了大量工夫。
Furthermore we should thank the Secretariat for having done so much work before this motion was included as an agenda item
正如很多議員所引述，立法會的法律顧問及秘書長均已多番要求律政司澄清索取文件和要求公職人員作證的理由及請求的內容，而我認為秘書處在這方面已作了合理的把關。
As many Members have said both the Legal Adviser and Secretary General of the Legislative Council had already requested DoJ time and again to elucidate the reasons for requesting the submission of documents and for public officers to give evidence as well as set out the details of the request . Hence I think the Secretariat had reasonably performed its gate - keeping role