Borrison/hk-legicost huggingface dataset:
我知道廉署也採取了打擊圍標的新措施，競委會亦已針對圍標行為作出深入研究。
I know that ICAC has also adopted new measures to combat bid - rigging and the Commission has conducted an in - depth study on bid - rigging activities
但是，代理主席，這問題仍未解決，很多小業主仍然身受其害，損失數以萬計至數以十萬元計的金錢。
Nevertheless Deputy President this problem remains unsolved . Many minority owners are still suffering losing tens to hundreds of thousands of dollars
我剛才提到，維修市場過去每年市值高達200億元，每年以黑社會為首的圍標集團的純利高達數十億元甚至超過100億元。
As I mentioned just now in the past the maintenance market was worth as much as 20 billion a year . The annual net profit of the bid - rigging syndicates headed by triad members amounts to several billion dollars and even exceeds 10 billion
多年來，他們已經養肥了，坐大了，財雄勢大。
Over the years they have been well fed and have expanded with great financial strength and power
他們要黑社會有黑社會，要律師有律師，如果小業主要自己走出來反對，會承受很大壓力。
They have triad members and lawyers at their service . The minority owners will endure great pressure if they come forward to raise any objection by themselves
代理主席，我在數年前揭發圍標問題後，協助了很多屋苑，令很多圍標集團損失慘重。
Deputy President since I exposed the bid - rigging problem several years ago I have assisted many housing estates causing great losses to many bid - rigging syndicates
有人告訴我："林卓廷，你要小心你的安全。
Someone said to me LAM Cheuk - ting you have got to be careful about your own safety
"這是善意的，並非黑社會警告我。
It was well - intentioned not a warning from any triad member
襲擊林卓廷，只會令更多人明白這些圍標集團的禍害，明白我們整個社會和政府必須團結一致，打擊圍標。
The minority owners have already awakened . Assaulting LAM Cheuk - ting will only make more people become aware of the harms done by these bid - rigging syndicates and understand that our entire community and the Government must unite together to combat bid - rigging
我懇請各位同事支持我今天的議案。
I implore Honourable colleagues to support my motion today
我現在向各位提出的待議議題是：林卓廷議員動議的議案，予以通過。
I now propose the question to you and that is That the motion moved by Mr LAM Cheuk - ting be passed
我會依次請要動議修正案的劉國勳議員、楊岳橋議員、張超雄議員及郭偉强議員發言；但他們在現階段不可動議修正案。
I will call upon Members who move the amendments to speak in the following order Mr LAU Kwok - fan Mr Alvin YEUNG Dr Fernando CHEUNG and Mr KWOK Wai - keung; but they may not move amendments at this stage
主席，首先，我感謝劉國勳議員、楊岳橋議員、張超雄議員及郭偉强議員就我的原議案提出修正案，亦感謝多位剛才發言的議員。
President first of all I thank Mr LAU Kwok - fan Mr Alvin YEUNG Dr Fernando CHEUNG and Mr KWOK Wai - keung for proposing amendments to my original motion . I also thank Members who have spoken in the debate
我留意到劉議員建議設立"樓宇維修資料庫"，郭偉强議員亦提出了類似的建議。
I noticed that Mr LAU proposes the establishment of a database on building maintenance . Mr KWOK Wai - keung also made a similar proposal
主席，這亦是我本人或"全港業主反貪腐反圍標大聯盟"的倡議。
President this is also advocated by the Property Owners Anti - bid Rigging Alliance and me
我們建議成立"樓宇維修工程監管局"，而該局的其中一個職能是提供市場資訊供小業主參考。
We propose to establish a building maintenance works authority of which one of the functions is to provide market information for property owners reference
我十分認同小業主面對圍標集團，尤其是有很多專業人士參與的圍標集團時，雙方掌握資訊的差距相當大。
I fully agree that there is a rather large gap in terms of access to information between owners and bid - rigging syndicates in particular those with professional participation
所以，"樓宇維修資料庫"可以為小業主提供很重要的參考。
Hence a database on building maintenance can provide crucial reference to owners
至於劉國勳議員及張超雄議員提出加強"招標妥"計劃的有關工作，這亦是正確的方向。
Mr LAU Kwok - fan and Dr Fernando CHEUNGs proposal for stepping up the relevant work of the Smart Tender scheme is also a right direction to go
"招標妥"計劃過去試行了一段短時間，對小業主有所幫助，但單靠此計劃是否可以打擊圍標呢？
The Smart Tender scheme was operated as a trial for a short period of time and proven helpful to owners . But does the scheme per se suffice to combat big - rigging?
成效當然不會太理想，但最低限度有專業人士幫助業主，提供比較獨立的意見，作為參考。
Naturally the result will not be satisfactory but at least professionals are there to help owners by providing relatively independent opinions for their reference
所以，我們支持有關的修正案。
Therefore we support the amendments
此外，楊岳橋議員提出有關委任代表文書，即授權書的問題，其實很多剛才發言的議員都提出這個問題。
Moreover Mr Alvin YEUNG mentioned the issues regarding the proxy instrument that is the proxy form . In fact a number of Members who have spoken earlier have touched on this issue
主席，這是個非常嚴重的問題，因為授權書的監管極為薄弱。
President this is a very serious problem because the regulation on the proxy form is extremely weak
我經常說，如果我參與樓宇維修圍標，我肯定成功，因為政府基本上不太理會授權書，任由我們處理。
As I often said if I participate in building maintenance bid - rigging I will definitely succeed because the Government basically does not care about the proxy form . People are left to handle it how they want
圍標集團就利用這個授權書的漏洞，操控業主大會。
Bid - rigging syndicates therefore exploit this loophole to manipulate owners meetings
至於楊議員提出設立冷靜期，張超雄議員亦有類似建議，在決策過程中設立冷靜期，我們覺得這是合適的。
Mr YEUNG proposes to introduce a cooling - off period so did Dr Fernando CHEUNG
另一方面，郭偉强議員提出要加強競爭事務委員會、廉政公署和警方的人手。
On the other hand Mr KWOK Wai - keung proposes to strengthen the manpower of the Competition Commission the Independent Commission Against Corruption and the Police
我認同執法的人手是很重要的，尤其是競委會。
I agree that law enforcement manpower is crucial especially that of the Commission
過往我與競委會接觸時，他們很清楚地表示，現時訴訟基金緊絀。
When I made contact with the Commission in the past they have clearly expressed that the legal action fund is financially tight
競委會要起訴任何反競爭行為，可能面對圍標集團等，被告的人數相當多，而牽涉的法律開支數以倍計。
The Commission may face bid - rigging syndicates when pressing charges against any anti - competitive conduct in which case there may be a large number of defendants and the legal expenses incurred will be several times higher
因此，我們希望政府聽取本會的意見，增加競委會的人手及資源，協助他們打擊圍標。
Hence we hope that the Government will heed the views of this Council and increase the manpower and resources of the Commission so as to assist them in combating bid - rigging
主席，最後，有議員把我的原議案內"工程遭黑社會參與的圍標集團壟斷"有關黑社會等內容刪除，亦有議員發言質疑有否這麼多黑社會參與。
President finally a Member seeks to delete the phrase works have been monopolized by bid - rigging syndicates involving triad members from my original motion . Some Members questioned whether there is so much triad involvement
我想告訴大家，過往如果沒有黑社會"撐腰"，想參與工程也極之困難，更遑論圍標。
I would like to tell Members that without the backing of triads it is extremely difficult to engage in the works not to mention bid - rigging
他亦指出，如果成立監管局涉及額外開支，可能會加重小業主的負擔。
He also pointed out that the setting up of BMWA would incur additional expenditures and might add to the already heavy burden of small property owners
主席，發展局局長亦表示，遠水不能救近火，因此他不贊成成立監管局。
President the Secretary for Development also said that distant water could not put out a nearby fire so he did not support the idea of setting up BMWA
我對發展局局長馬紹祥先生的說法感到遺憾。
I find it regrettable to hear the remarks of Secretary for Development Eric MA
是政府迫令小業主進行維修，卻不加以監管所致，本來只是小火，卻越燒越大，燒至遍地火頭，很多業主因而損失慘重。
The Government in the sense that it forced small property owners to undertake maintenance works without imposing any regulation . Initially it was just a small fire . But as it rages on we can now see fires everywhere
原本是遠火，但政府把它變成近火，卻不撲救。
Initially it was just a distant fire . But the Government has turned it into a nearby fire without making any efforts to put it out . Now we have raised so many proposals
現在我們提出這麼多建議，其中最重要的一項，政府卻不參考，而這項建議其實是由香港測量師學會提出的，他們向我指出，如果沒有一個專業的法定團體如"樓宇維修工程監管局"，僅依靠他們這個沒有法定權力的專業團體來負責的話，會舉步維艱，因為他們要面對財雄勢大的圍標集團，經常擔心這些公司會控告他們誹謗。
Actually it is an idea of The Hong Kong Institute of Surveyors . They have pointed out to me that every step will be difficult if sole reliance is placed upon their professional body which is not vested with any statutory power to take charge of this matter rather than setting up a professional statutory body such as BMWA . The reason is that they have to face bid - rigging syndicates with enormous financial power and influence and they very often worry that such companies may sue them for libel
我希望政府不要再猶豫，如果政府擔心業主會負擔沉重，那我想告訴政府，小業主絕不介意多付1%或2%的維修費，供政府作為監管局的經費。
I hope the Government can stop hesitating . If the Government feel concerned that a heavy burden will be brought to bear upon property owners then I wish to tell the Government that small property owners absolutely do not mind paying an additional sum amounting to 1 % or 2 % of their maintenance fees to the Government as BMWAs operational funding
主席，我亦想藉此機會呼籲專業界別重返樓宇維修這個市場。
President I also wish to take this opportunity to urge the professional services sector to return to the building maintenance market
過往劣幣驅逐良幣，很多操守並無問題的公司無法抵受黑社會的威嚇和壓力，以及圍標集團的恐嚇，因而撤出這個市場。
Over the years we have seen how bad money drives out good in the sense that many companies without any professional ethics problems have withdrawn from this market as they are unable to stand the threats and pressure from triads and also the intimidation of bid - rigging syndicates
我想對大家說，現在很多小業主已經覺醒，知道必須參與業主大會，知道樓宇維修有很大的圍標風險，其實現在是適當時候，業界內正派的公司和專業人士應盡快重返市場。
I wish to tell everybody that at present many small property owners have awaken to the necessity of participating in owners general meetings and realized that building maintenance faces a high risk of bid - rigging . Actually it is now opportune for upright companies and professionals in the sector to return to this market as soon as possible
有真正的競爭，市場價格才能重回正軌，不再好像過去數年般，維修工程的天價變成市價，這是非常荒謬的情況。
Only genuine competition can bring the market price back onto the normal track and reverse the very absurd situation of astronomical charges for maintenance works being taken as the market price over the past few years
主席，我數年前決定發起這項反圍標運動時，我知道這是一往無前、不勝無歸的運動，因為我們要打擊的，是由黑社會、專業界別、物業管理公司、貪腐法團等組成的非常龐大及財雄勢大的圍標集團。
President when I decided to initiate this campaign to combat bid - rigging a few years ago I knew that I had to be successful as there would be no turning back . Because the target of our battle is massive bid - rigging syndicates with enormous financial power and influence comprising triads members of the professional services sector property management companies corrupt owners corporations and so on
如果政府不立定志向，不強力打擊圍標，問題始終會春風吹又生。
If the Government is not determined to combat bid - rigging with vigorous efforts this problem will spring back to life somehow
希望政府顧念小業主的苦況，考慮香港的整體利益，接納本會這麼多位議員的意見，成立"樓宇維修工程監管局"。
I hope the Government can take on board the view of many Members of this Council on setting up BMWA as a show of care for the plight of small property owners and consideration for Hong Kongs overall interests
我在此亦再次感謝各位提出修正案的同事、發言的同事及支持本議案的同事。
I also wish to express my gratitude here again to those Members who have moved their amendments those who have spoken and also those who support this motion
發言開始時，我想先引述昨天收到的一封電郵來信，來自一位3年級小學生這封電郵是真實的，並非如梁振英曾引述的5歲小朋友來信。
To begin my speech I would like to quote an email addressed to me by a Primary Three student yesterday . It is a genuine email unlike the letter from a five - year - old LEUNG Chun - ying once quoted
這封電郵令我感動，容許我引述："其實，為甚麼政治會令人有一種避之則吉的感覺呢？
This email really touched me and I quote to this effect Why does politics give people an impression that people should try hard to avoid it?
在學校，我向老師追問：'你覺得律政司應不應該檢控4名議員？
When I asked my teacher in school Do you think the Department of Justice should prosecute the four Members?
'老師立即回答：'當然應該。
my teacher answered immediately Yes of course
'但是，當我再追問原因的時候，老師馬上說：'學校是政治中立的地方，不需討論。
But when I ask why my teacher said that the school is politically neutral and no discussion need arise on it
'我只好自己上網搜尋資料。
Hence I could only do some research on the Internet
為甚麼會發生六四？
Why did the 4 June incident happen?
常識書隻字不提，老師也不跟我們討論。
General Studies books have never mentioned it . Teachers have never talked about it with us
但是，有些人說，6月4日天安門是在燒垃圾。這個說法十分奇怪，因為垃圾不會在天安門前燒，燒垃圾也不會用到坦克車。
Some people said they were burning refuse in Tiananmen Square on 4 June but that sounds strange because refuse should not be burnt in Tiananmen Square and tanks are not needed for burning refuse
鄺議員，為甚麼老師不跟我們討論呢？
Mr KWONG why do teachers not discuss with us about it?
是不是教育局下令要封口？
Is it because the Education Bureau ordered them to hush up?
期待你的回信。
Look forward to seeing your reply
" 大家不要見怪，雖然這封電郵來自一位可能是3年級的小朋友，但他願意寫信問立法會議員。
end of quote While the sender of this email may be only a Primary Three student he was willing to write to a Legislative Council Member
我沒有時間書面回覆這封來信，但我想在此場合回答這位小朋友。
I did not have time to reply him in writing but I would like to give him a reply on this occasion
這亦正是黃碧雲議員今天提出"毋忘六四"這項議案的原因，是因為我們拒絕遺忘1989年發生的一件事件。
This is precisely the reason for Dr Helena WONG moving the Not forgetting the 4 June incident motion that is we refuse to forget the incident that happened in 1989
老實說，1989年我只有6歲，未必清楚明白當時發生的事情。
Honestly I was only six years old in 1989 so I might not understand clearly what was happening at the time
容許我先引述魯迅的一句話："請願雖然是無論哪一國度裏常有的事，不至於死的事，但我們已經知道中國是例外"。
Please allow me to quote a line of LU Xun and it reads Petitioning is common in every country an action which does not result in death . But China is an exception
八九民運是中國人民爭取民主自由、反對貪污腐化，以及對抗中共專政的一場抗爭運動。
The pro - democracy movement in 1989 was a movement by the Chinese people fighting for democracy and freedom as well as opposing corruption and dictatorship by the Communist Party of China CPC
中共在鄧小平當時獨裁的領導下，拒絕時任總書記趙紫陽提出以民主和法制為基礎與學生對話來解決這場矛盾；最後，鄧、李、楊集團以血腥鎮壓群眾，八九民運告終。
Under the dictatorial leadership of DENG Xiaoping CPC refused the proposal of the then General Secretary ZHAO Ziyang for resolving the conflict by having dialogues with the students on the basis of democracy and the rule of law . The pro - democracy movement in 1989 eventually ended with a bloody crackdown ordered by the Deng Li and Yang clique
在香港，每年6月4日在維多利亞公園也會點起燭光。
In Hong Kong candles are lit every year on 4 June at the Victoria Park
有人說，六四事件已過了28年，應該終結，這是中國的事，未必是香港的事，但六四事件絕對影響了香港本土的民主運動。
Some people said that the 4 June incident should come to an end as it has been 28 years and that it is a matter of China instead of Hong Kong . But the 4 June incident has absolutely influenced the democratic movement in Hong Kong
對我們而言，28年前，北京的學生和工人舉起反貪腐、真民主的理念，與今日的香港何其相似？
For us the movement in which students and workers protested against corruption and aspired for true democracy 28 years ago in Beijing bears a close resemblance to the current situation in Hong Kong
1989年的六四事件，至今尚未平反。
The 4 June incident in 1989 has not yet been vindicated
為何要拒絕遺忘？
Why should we refuse to forget?
因為我們有應有的良知，我們要緊記這件事，同時要爭取平反，不能令當天中國人民在這運動上流的血流得不明不白。
It is because we have the conscience that we should have . We should bear this incident in mind while fighting for its vindication so that the blood of the Chinese people in this movement was shed not for no reason
米蘭․昆德拉在《笑忘書》中曾說過："人類對抗權力的鬥爭，就是記憶與遺忘的鬥爭。
In The Book of Laughter and Forgetting Milan KUNDERA wrote the struggle of man against power is the struggle of memory against forgetting
"我們不一定到過現場，更不是第一身的受難者，很多人透過媒體知悉六四事件，正如我這一代人，是透過錄像和舊紀錄得知。
We might not be there or be the first - hand victim . Many people learnt about the 4 June incident through the media so does my generation who learnt about it through videos and archived records
有些人選擇遺忘，當日曾刊登報紙聲言支持這項愛國運動、今日已成為香港特首的梁振英選擇遺忘，捂着良心當作沒事發生，但我們不能。
Some people chose to forget just like Chief Executive LEUNG Chun - ying who declared to support this patriotic movement in the newspapers back then but acts against his conscience today as if nothing has happened . But we cannot do that
香港人選擇把平反六四這個信念薪火相傳，因為六四是香港人一個極巨大的傷口。
Hong Kong people choose to pass down the vindication of the 4 June incident because for them it is a huge wound
我們要時刻緊記，要把這個信念......
We have to bear in mind at all times that this belief should be
首先，剛剛聽罷何君堯議員的發言，實在令人嘆為觀止。
First of all the speech made by Dr Junius HO just now is indeed an eye - opener to me
過去5年，梁振英的政績可謂劣跡斑斑，在社會上備受廣泛討論，已經到了神憎鬼厭的地步。
LEUNG Chun - ying has a deplorable track record in the past five years . He has been the subject of wide public discussion and is strongly detested
大家必須留意，這已是他任內第二次被彈劾。
Members should note that this is the second impeachment of him during his term of office
我還記得第一次彈劾是在2013年發生的，梁振英首次遭議員提出彈劾議案，當年建制派議員亦同樣努力護航。
I still remember that Members moved the first impeachment motion against LEUNG Chun - ying in 2013 . At that time Members of the pro - establishment camp had also exerted their best effort to defend him
這次根本是香港版本的"水門事件"。
This present case is indeed the Watergate incident of Hong Kong
如果堂堂一名特首在這種情況下也無須面對立法會，讓立法會爭取披露真相、尋公道及找公義，那麼這個議事廳便會如何君堯議員所問，這樣對得起香港人麼？
If the Chief Executive is not required under the present circumstances to be answerable to the Legislative Council and if the Legislative Council is not allowed to find out the truth and seek justice then how can this Chamber live up to the expectation of Hong Kong people as asked by Dr Junius HO?
這是否一場"政治show"，香港人自有定論，但大家眼前所見，梁振英已不是第一次這樣做。
Hong Kong people should be able to judge if this is a political show but as we can see this is not the first time LEUNG Chun - ying has done so
未富先嬌論，他指香港人不可以未富先嬌，這是2014年2月的言論。
He said that Hong Kong people should not become conceited before getting rich . Such a remark was made in February 2014
事實上，一名特首發表 的公開言論，很少每一句也是金句，每一句也得罪香港人。
In fact it is very rare that the public remarks made by a Chief Executive will all turned into sound bites and anger Hong Kong people
當時，有人甚至將梁振英與法國皇帝路易十六相比。
At that time some people even compared LEUNG Chun - ying with King Louis XVI of France
大家也記得，當年路易十六召開三級會議企圖增加稅項，結果引發法國大革命。
As Members may recall Louis XVI called a meeting of the three estates in the hope of raising tax which led to the outbreak of the French Revolution
如此昏庸的情況，原來歷史是會不斷重複的。
Such incompetence has kept recurring in history
順帶一提，1793年1月，路易十六被送上斷頭台處死。
I would like to mention in passing that in January 1793 Louis XVI was sent to the guillotine
我們看到歷史在重複，但其實人類是應該不斷努力學習以避免再犯同樣的錯誤，情況就如香港遇到一名胡亂說話、胡亂做事及胡亂破壞香港規矩的特首。
As we can see history keeps repeating itself . And yet the fact is human beings should learn very hard to avoid making the same mistakes . As in the case of Hong Kong we have a Chief Executive who has been talking nonsense acting recklessly and breaking local rules arbitrarily
周浩鼎議員有多錯？
How wrong is Mr Holden CHOW?
如果錯的是梁振英，為甚麼還要犧牲周浩鼎議員來保住梁振英？
If LEUNG Chun - ying is wrong what is the point of sacrificing Mr Holden CHOW for LEUNG Chun - ying?
雖然他們兩人都有錯，但最大意志的是梁振英，是梁振英作出各項修改、作出暗地干預這動作的。
Although both of them have done wrong LEUNG Chun - ying has exercised the strongest will and made all the amendments and he has even interfered in secret
如果我們容許這種干預繼續不斷在立法會出現，我們日後便不知道該相信誰。
If we allow such interference to continue in the Legislative Council we can no longer tell who to trust in the future
我們是否應該向始作俑者查問，而不是讓他用這種臉不紅、氣不喘的態度，敗壞香港人的制度，厚着臉皮、嘻皮笑臉地說自己沒有罪、沒有問題。
Should we hold the culprit accountable? . We should not allow him to disrupt the system of Hong Kong in an unabashed and relaxed manner and to argue in a cheeky manner that he is innocent and has done nothing wrong
主席，今天28位議員按照《基本法》第七十三條第九項提出彈劾行政長官的議案，這已是回歸後的第二次，也是梁特首任內的第二次。
President today 28 Members initiated a motion to impeach the Chief Executive under Article 739 of the Basic Law . This is the second impeachment motion initiated since the reunification and also the second impeachment against Chief Executive C Y LEUNG during his term of office
一位行政長官的任期內有兩次彈劾議案，而提出議案的主要是反對派，這說明了甚麼道理呢？
Two impeachment motions were initiated within the tenure of a chief executive and both motions were initiated mainly by the opposition Members . What does this imply?
事實上，梁特首上任以來，反對派議員動輒提出針對他的議案；不是提出"對行政長官不信任"議案，就是嘗試引用《立法會條例》調查他。
In fact since Chief Executive C Y LEUNG took office the opposition Members have frequently moved motions against him such as the motion of no confidence in the Chief Executive or the motion to invoke the Legislative Council Ordinance to investigate him
到了他的特首任期即將完結，又不惜再次用上彈劾議案，目的又是甚麼呢？
At a time when his term of office is about to end they once again initiate an impeachment motion . What is their purpose?
社會亦自有公論。
The community will also have a judgment
反對派說他們是要讓立法會檔案記錄事件。
The opposition Members said they wanted to put the incident on the record of the Legislative Council
然而，這只是自欺欺人的說法，亦並非《基本法》第七十三條第九項的作用。
However they are only trying to deceive themselves and others and this is not the purpose of Article 739 of the Basic Law
他們毫不理會事件是否真的嚴重到要啟動彈劾機制，也輕視了《基本法》第七十三條賦予立法會10項職能的嚴肅性。
They pay no heed to whether the incident is really serious enough to activate the impeachment mechanism and they have also ignored the solemnity of the 10 powers and functions empowered to the Legislative Council under Article 73 of the Basic Law
第七十三條第九項更是《基本法》150項條文中較為嚴肅的一項。
In particular Article 739 is a rather solemn provision among the 150 provisions of the Basic Law
立法會行使彈劾權力時，必須要有確鑿證據，證明行政長官犯了具體而嚴重的違法或瀆職行為。
In exercising its impeachment power the Legislative Council must have conclusive evidence to prove that the Chief Executive has committed substantial and serious breach of law or dereliction of duty
可是，反對派以向市民交代、讓立法會檔案能記錄此事件為借口，隨意啟動這個最為嚴肅的程序，令立法會擁有的莊嚴彈劾權淪為他們個人製造歷史的政治工具。
However the opposition camp wilfully initiates this most solemn procedure on the pretext of being accountable to the public and putting the incident on the record of the Legislative Council . As such the solemn impeachment power of the Legislative Council has been degenerated into their political tool for making history
主席，環顧海外主要國家，英國和美國的國會可以就國家元首或政府首長的違規行為提出彈劾，主要是針對"挪用款項"、"濫用職權"、"疏忽職守"、"叛國"、"徇私舞弊"和"泄露國家秘密"等行為。
President in the case of major overseas countries the British Parliament and the United States Congress may impeach their head of state or head of government for offences such as misapplication of funds abuse of official power neglect of duty treason practice of favouritism and disclosure of state secrets
在我記憶中，美國在近代史上只啟動過兩次彈劾程序，針對的是尼克遜總統的"水門事件"及克林頓總統的"萊溫斯基事件"。
As far as I can recall two impeachment procedures had been initiated in the United States in contemporary history one against President NIXON in connection with the Watergate scandal and the other against President CLINTON in connection with the LEWINSKY scandal
兩次彈劾都涉及嚴重違反法律及嚴重違反誠信的問題。
Both impeachments involved serious breach of law and serious breach of credibility
這未免是無限上綱上線，與我剛才提及的各種違法行為 更是風馬牛不相及。
They have escalated the above acts without restraints which are totally irrelevant when compared with the various serious offences that I mentioned just now
對事件的動機抱有懷疑態度，並不可以成為啟動彈劾的基礎。
Being suspicious of the motive of the incident cannot form the basis to initiate the impeachment procedure
我依稀記得，專責委員會主席謝偉俊議員曾經公開說過，指前副主席周浩鼎議員提交的修訂建議根本不需要，因為修訂建議早已包含在專責委員會的調查範圍內，即梁振英先生的修訂建議其實是與專責委員會的調查範圍一致。
I faintly recall that Mr Paul TSE Chairman of the Select Committee once said openly that it was not necessary for Mr Holden CHOW the former Deputy Chairman to submit the proposed amendment because such amendments had already been incorporated into the scope of inquiry of the Select Committee . In other words the amendments proposed by Mr LEUNG Chun - ying are actually consistent with the scope of inquiry of the Select Committee
如果謝議員的說法正確，那麼又何來干預，何來左右調查方向呢？
If Mr TSEs remarks are correct how can we talk about interfering with or affecting the direction of inquiry?
主席，專責委員會調查範圍的文件是公開的，任何人都可以上網查閱。
President the document on the Select Committees scope of inquiry is open to the public and accessible via the Internet
如果被調查對象認為文件建議的調查範圍不夠全面，他當然可以提出意見。
If the subject of inquiry thinks that the scope of inquiry proposed in the document is not comprehensive enough he can surely express his views
至於被調查對象致函專責委員會主席或副主席提出建議，此做法亦無不妥。
It is also appropriate for the subject of inquiry to write to either the Chairman or the Deputy Chairman of the Select Committee to voice his proposals
當然，一般都是會選擇致函主席，再由主席和副主席把有關意見轉交專責委員會討論及決定，也是理所當然的。
Certainly the letter will normally be written to the Chairman and then the Chairman or the Deputy Chairman will forward the views to members of the Select Committee for discussion and decision . This is also done as a matter of course
今次事件的關鍵純粹在於：第一，沒有證據顯示梁振英曾開宗明義要求專責委員會前副主席周浩鼎議員，轉交他的意見予專責委員會跟進處理；第二，周議員沒有開誠布公地交代有關意見是來自梁振英先生，這是做錯了。
The key issues of the current incident are first there is no evidence indicating that LEUNG Chun - ying has explicitly requested Mr Holden CHOW the former Deputy Chairman to forward his views to the Select Committee for follow - up actions; second Mr CHOW did not candidly inform the Select Committee that the views were raised by Mr LEUNG Chun - ying hence he made a mistake
如果周議員交代了，根本便不存在問題。
If Mr CHOW had informed the Select Committee accordingly there would be no problem at all