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代理主席，首先，我要批評大會主席梁君彥所作的決定，令我只可以就多項技術性修訂說15分鐘。
Deputy President first I must condemn President Andrew LEUNG for his decision to give me only 15 minutes for making a speech on so many technical amendments
當然，我沒可能說完，因為我們和很多傳媒朋友也計算過，如果只有15分鐘，我們只可就每項擬議修訂說8秒，議題仍未說完便已經沒有時間了。
Of course I cannot finish my speech within this time span . As counted by us and many members of the press if only 15 minutes are allowed Members can simply speak on each proposed amendment for eight seconds and we have to stop before we can even finish bringing out the subject
因此，在這樣的"黑哨"下，他這樣限制我們的發言時間，我只可以作綜合評價及反映主席濫權的程度，他可以將完全不相關的《議事規則》條文作合併辯論，試問我們今天的辯論還可以有意義地進行嗎？
So with this flagrant match - fixing under which he restricts our speaking time like this I can only make some general comments and reflect the magnitude of Presidents power abuse . When he can go so far as to squeeze all the totally unrelated provisions of the Rules of Procedure RoP into one joint debate how can we possibly debate meaningfully today?
與其逐一討論，我不如用這15分鐘告訴市民立法會的荒謬、扭曲，主席的濫權和建制派的自我閹割。
Other than discussing the amendments one by one I had better spend the 15 minutes to tell the public how ridiculous and deformed the Legislative Council is as well as how the President has abused his power and the pro - establishment Members have undermined their own functions
當然，我不知道建制派今天是否收到命令要全程在席，所以心浮氣躁。
Of course I do not know if the pro - establishment camp has received any order to stay in their seats throughout the entire process which makes them bad tempered today
除非大家都覺得這形容詞是在形容自己，否則無需有這麼大的反應，這只是成語故事。
Unless all of them believed that the remark were directed at them they did not have to react so vehemently . This is merely a story about a proverb
剛才亦有議員提到修改《議事規則》不會影響言論自由，我希望就這一點與市民討論。
Just now some Members have said that amending the RoP will not affect freedom of speech . I would like to discuss this with the people
如果我們少了時間討論一些實質可以影響言論自由的法案，例如第二十三條，日後任何對國家的批評都有機會以言入罪，有機會被這個政權以惡法打壓社會上的異見人士，這不是直接影響言論自由嗎？
So if we have less time for discussions about certain bills which can practically affect freedom of speech such as the bill relating to Article 23 of the Basic Law then any words criticizing the nation in the future will possibly lead to convictions on the basis of ones expression and that dissidents may be subject to oppression under some draconian laws . Will this not directly affect freedom of speech?
為何建制派說修改《議事規則》與言論自由無關？
Why does the pro - establishment camp say that amending the RoP is unrelated to freedom of speech?
例如《版權條例》的修訂，社會上有很大爭議，如果影響二次創作，影響很多含有政治意味、政府覺得不中聽的作品，如果這項法例的修訂不完善，是否可以用來打壓少數？
For example the legislative amendment concerning the Copyright Ordinance aroused fierce controversies in society . If the legislative amendment will affect secondary creation and works carrying political connotations not favoured by the Government and that the amendment exercise is not done thoroughly will the Ordinance be used as a tool to suppress the minorities?
這是否會限制言論自由？
Will this affect freedom of speech?
如果將來《國歌法》強迫學校必須播放國歌，禁止用國歌作其他創作和表達，而我們在法案的審議過程中的發言機會減少了，便等於議會可以審議這些有機會成為惡法的法案的能力減少。
So if the future ordinance stipulates that the national anthem must be played at schools or prohibits other forms of creative works and expression in relation to the anthem then the reduced chances for us to speak on the bill during scrutiny will be tantamount to weakening the Councils capacity to vet these bills which may likely become draconian laws
這些全部都是《議事規則》如何影響言論自由和議會內民主派監察政府的力量的例子。
The above are examples of how the RoP can affect freedom of speech and the pro - democracy camps power in monitoring the Government in the Council
事實上，當我們說"西環契仔契女"，在座的 確有很多，我不知道張宇人議員是否覺得自己是其中之一，當然有很多議員會對號入座。
In fact when we talk of godsons and god - daughters of the Western District there are indeed many of them in this Chamber . I do not know if Mr Tommy CHEUNG considers himself one of those mentioned and of course many Members will pigeonhole themselves into the description
當他覺得這廣東俗語冒犯時，他有否想深一層，"契仔契女"是說他們關係密切，稱兄道弟？
When he found this Cantonese proverb offensive did he really think thoroughly about the meaning? . Does the remark godsons and god - daughters refer to their close relationship and the brotherhood?
保皇黨議員與哪些人關係密切、稱兄道弟？
Whom do the royalists Members maintain a close brotherly relationship with?
哪些人下的命令會直接影響他們的生死存亡，直接影響他們連離座上廁所也不敢？
Whose orders will directly decide their fate and survival so much so that they are not even dare to leave their seats and excuse themselves briefly?
每當談到上契的事情，一定會有議員認為是在說自己，要急於澄清或急於要人澄清，不要緊，大家是心知肚明的。
They will then be too eager to clarify or seek clarification from others . It does not matter . The truth is just obvious to all
因為大家都知道《議事規則》不可以輕易修改，《議事規則》沿用多年，有它自己的意思。
We all understand that we should not lightly subject RoP to amendments . It has been adopted for many years and has its own meanings
訂定這些規則是希望在議會上不同黨派、不同議員、不同意見之間取得平衡，令少數派議員都可以有發言權利。
The formulation of this set of rules aims to strike a proper balance among the different political parties Members and views in the Council in order to safeguard minority Members right to free expression
今次修改，是要消滅所有反對聲音，給主席你更大的"黑哨"，給主席繼續濫權。
The proposed amendments however attempt to mute the opposition voices by giving the corrupt referee a louder whistle and enabling the President to continue to abuse his power
當然，主席梁議員你也是建制派，在座的都是保皇黨，當然要保着政府的利益和自己的利益。
Of course the pro - establishment President Mr LEUNG and all other pro - Government Members in this Chamber have to take care of the interests of the Government as well as their own interests
今次修改成功，影響是永遠的，我們要讓市民知道，當立法會的憲制角色被削弱和斷送後，是不能走回頭的。
But the amendments if approved will affect our future generations . Hence we have to let people know that once we weaken or destroy the constitutional role of the Legislative Council we cannot undo the damage that has been done
我們也聽到傳媒報道有關建制派廖長江議員的說話，他說民主派議員多年來坐享地區直選的人數優勢，今次他們有何道理反對保皇黨以大多數議席修改《議事規則》？
We have heard how Mr Martin LIAO commented on the RoP amendments from media reports . According to him the democrats have got the upper hand in the geographical direct election for years . Hence there is no ground for them to oppose the amendments proposed by the pro - establishment Members who now have a majority of seats in the geographical direct election
又說現時的情況並非保皇黨造出來的。
In his words the present - day situations are not caused by the pro - Government camp
當然不是他們造出來的，"DQ"議員是他們聯同政府和北京政權一手造出來的。
They are of course not the culprit . The disqualification of Members is essentially the joint work of the pro - Government camp the Government and the Beijing Authorities
他們是聯盟，所以張宇人議員剛才無需動怒，"契仔契女"，他們的關係真的密切，就是這麼簡單。
They are in an alliance . In this sense there is no need for Mr Tommy CHEUNG to feel irritated . The godsons and god - daughters are in close relationship
因此，當他們說民主派議員多年坐享地區直選的人數優勢時，他們會否覺得羞耻？
This is as simple as that . Actually do they feel a sense of shame in saying that the democrats have got the upper hand in the geographical direct election for years?
保皇黨議員透過功能界別的小圈子選舉才可以吃政治免費午餐，才可以在議會內佔大多數議席。
Only through the small circle elections in functional constituencies can the pro - Government Members enjoy their political free lunches and take a majority of seats in the Council
他們的票數比民主派少很多，我們的議席是經由市民投票投回來的，代表市民的選擇。
They are way inferior to the democratic camp in terms of the number of votes secured . We are returned by direct elections representing the choices of electors
梁議員，你也是，你代表甚麼市民、甚麼利益呢？
What people do you represent and what interests do you represent as well?
這次他們是在濫用、扭曲制度下的大多數優勢，他們心知絕對不能代表大多數市民，當中有很多"契仔契女"只代表政權的利益。
Now they hold a majority of seats in the geographical constituencies only by abusing and twisting the current system . They are well aware that they cannot represent the majority of people . Among them many godsons and god - daughters can only represent the interests of the authorities
謝偉 俊議員也說七傷拳，他也承認，這些修改真正會削弱立法會的監察力量。
Even Mr Paul TSE has likened the amendments to the seven injuries boxing as he also admitted that these amendments would really undermine the monitoring role of the Legislative Council . But they do not need to worry
我剛才提到，我們在議會內的監察力量的確會被真正削弱，建制派議員亦在自己的發言中承認這點。
I have just mentioned that the amendments will really undermine our monitoring role in the Chamber . The pro - establishment Member also admitted this in his speech
他們有沒有自己的自由意志呢？
Do they have a free will?
所以，當建制派議員亦承認有關修訂 會損害自己的議事職能及監察政府的力量，這又何苦呢？
Even a Member of the pro - establishment camp also has to admit that the amendments will compromise our duties to debate on policies and our role to monitor the Government . But why the pro - establishment Members still have to do so?
他剛才似乎指建制派議員亦認同有關修訂會削弱《議事規則》的效力，但我卻聽不到有建制派議員提出這說法。
According to what he has said a pro - establishment Member also thinks the amendments will undermine the effectiveness of RoP but I have not heard any pro - establishment Member making such a remark
許智峯議員，陸頌雄議員要求你澄清。
Mr HUI Chi - fung Mr LUK Chung - hung seeks a clarification from you you can decide whether you wish to clarify
謝偉俊議員在2017年12月7日的大會發言是這樣的，他說他同意這次修改《議事規則》在某程度上令議會整體可以用的工具或權力被削弱了。
In the Council meeting on 7 December 2017 Mr Paul TSE said he agreed that the amendments to RoP would somewhat deprive the Council of its tools or power as a whole . Indeed why not ask Mr Paul TSE himself to clarify?
不如你叫謝偉俊議員自己澄清吧，他今天這麼勇猛，何必要我澄清？
He has acted so boldly today . Why do you ask me to elucidate instead?
建制派議員自己承認了就不要躲避，削弱了便削弱了，他們不會care，他們會監察政府嗎？
The weakening of the power of the Council is not a big deal for pro - establishment Members as they simply do not care about this . Do you think they will monitor the Government?
因此，當特首說政府也許未能滿足所有市民的願望，但不會做損害市民的事情時，政府卻又做他們的緊密戰友和拍黨。
Hence on the one hand the Chief Executive assured us that though the Government might not be able to satisfy all of our aspirations it would not do harm to the public
當他們修改《議事規則》時，政府便甚麼也不提交上來，把立法會留給建制派和保皇黨玩，玩足數個月，製造這些修改《議事規則》的議會鬥爭，這些市民會全部看在眼內。
On the other hand the Government cooperated with its close allies and partners by not submitting anything to the Legislative Council during the RoP amendments leaving room for the pro - establishment and pro - Government Members to manipulate the Council . Over the past few months they have caused a stir in the Council over the RoP amendments . What they have done are under the very eyes of the public
梁議員，不是主席，是梁議員，我謹此發言。
Mr LEUNG and I address him Mr LEUNG not the President I so submit
在我們廣東人的語言中，這名稱十分粗俗，亦具侮辱性。
As far as I remember at least two Members used another expression aside the nicknames of godsons and god - daughters in their speeches and that Cantonese expression is extremely vulgar and also insulting
反對派只有3名同事在席。
There are only three Members from the opposition camp in this Chamber
究竟是誰在浪費香港人的公帑呢？
So who are wasting public money belonged to the Hong Kong people?
主席，數天前，我從網上看到一個所謂的"懶人包"，內部關於今次《議事規則》的修訂。
President a few days ago I read a so - called digest online concerning the amendments to the Rules of Procedure
為了掩人耳目，他們竟提議把開會的法定人數降低，實在是本末倒置。
In order to fool the people they propose to reduce the quorum of a meeting and this is exactly putting the cart before the horse
"主席，我真的認為這才是本末倒置、戾橫折曲。
President I really think that this description is putting the cart before the horse and is full of blatant distortions
所以，我想廣大市民的眼睛比專業人士的更為雪亮，可以看得出誰人才是香港的"大懶蟲"。
Hence I think the eyes of the general public are more discerning than those of the professionals and the former can see who the lazy bones of Hong Kong are
主席，我們的前輩教導我們，當議員應該根據情、理、法辦事。
President our predecessors have taught us that as Members we should give a reasonable sensible and legal consideration to everything we do
其實70名議員當中，要求有35人在席，真的不離譜。
In fact it is really not going too far by asking 35 Members among the 70 Members to be present in the Chamber
但如果仔細想一想，要求把這些出糧不出勤的議員，算入70人內，便真的很困難。
But on second thought it is really difficult to count these paid but absent Members in that group of 70 Members
我們極其量只有41名同事在席，有約40名議員同事可能會出席，若要求有35名同事在席，百分比真的相當高。
We can only have 41 Members present in the Chamber at the most . If 35 out of 40 Members are required to be present to form a quorum the percentage is really high
因此，針對反對派出糧不出勤的情況，我們才會要求把全體委員會的人數由35人降至20人，其實相當無奈。
Therefore given the situation that the opposition camp is paid but always absent from meetings we actually have no other alternatives but to propose lowering the quorum of a committee of the whole Council from 35 members to 20 members
如果市民的眼睛是雪亮的，我相信大家也會要求修改出席率，杜絕這些出糧不出勤的反對派，繼續在議會裏肆意妄為。
If the eyes of the public are discerning I believe that they will also ask to revise the attendance rate in order to prevent the paid but absent opposition camp from acting on its own will in this Council
"懶人包"這樣寫："選民投票選出議員，讓他進入議會代表選民發聲，議會制度本來就是民主的體現。
The digest says A Member is returned by his electors to represent and speak for them in the Council and the Council system basically manifests democracy
保皇派以修訂破壞制度，簡化表決程序，消滅所有聲音，縱容政府獨斷橫行。
Through the amendment to streamline the voting procedures the royalist camp destroys the system by silencing all the voices thus condoning the Government to act wilfully
我想所有市民跟Ann姐一樣，不會讓這件事發生。
I think all members of the public will be just like Sister Ann and will not let this happen
廖長江議員提出的其中一項修訂，便是關於將表決鐘由5分鐘縮短為1分鐘時，應否給予時間讓議員討論的問題。
One of the amendments proposed by Mr Martin LIAO is about whether the question on the motion to shorten the ringing of the division bell from five minutes to one minute shall be put without debate by Members
主席，各位香港市民，其實現在關於表決鐘響時間的討論，並不涉及收窄言論自由。因為這件事對於原來問題的討論，根本沒有影響。
President and members of the public in Hong Kong the debate on the ringing of the division bell does not actually involve narrowing the freedom of speech as it has no impact on the discussion of the main topic
所以，我希望大家和香港市民同樣珍惜光陰、珍惜香港。
Therefore I hope that Members and the pubic in Hong Kong will treasure our time as well as Hong Kong
百多年前的議事規則是行政局與立法局共用，當時僅有11項條文，第1條訂明港督有權通過或否決任何條例，可見當時的港督權力之大。
This RoP was adopted over a hundred years ago to provide guides to both the Executive Council and the Legislative Council . With only 11 provisions its first rule gave the Governor the right to pass or veto any bills . We can see how powerful the Governor was that time
但是，只不過短短14年後，即1858年，立法局與行政局的議事規則便分拆了開來，立法局的議事規則變得更開明、民主，而最重要的修訂，便是取消港督可操生殺大權的條文，拿走放在議員頭上的那把刀，並且加入多項保障立法局議員自由議政的條文。
However after a rather short period of 14 years the Legislative Council and the Executive Council were governed by their own RoPs respectively in 1858 . More liberal and democratic elements were introduced in the legislatures RoP . The most remarkable amendment was to restrict the absolute power of the Governor thus removing the Sword of Damocles hanging over Members head
當時的議事規則第16條訂明："立法局的議員享有言論自由"，亦即是今天《立法會條例》第3條所訂"在立法會內及委員會會議程序中有言論及辯論的自由"的雛型。
Besides it also incorporated a number of provisions to protect Members right to freedom of debate . RoP 16 of this old RoP stipulates Members of the Legislative Council enjoy the freedom of speech . This is the prototype of Section 3 of todays Legislative Council Ordinance which stipulates that There shall be freedom of speech and debate in the Council or proceedings before a committee
直至1884年，議事規則再次修訂，賦予議員自由發言的權利，這自由議政的精神，代理主席，亦是今天《基本法》第七十七條："立法會議員在立法會的會議上發言，不受法律追究"，以及《立法會條例》第4條訂明，立法會議員在立法會或委員會席前發表言論，或在提交立法會或委員會的報告書中發表的言論，可獲豁免民事或刑事法律程序的法理基礎。
The RoP was amended again in 1884 to give Members the right to freely express their views . Deputy President the spirit of freedom of debate forms the legal basis for Article 77 of the Basic Law which reads Members of the Legislative Council shall be immune from legal action in respect of their statements at meetings of the Council as well as Section 4 of the PP Ordinance which stipulates that Member will be free from civil and criminal liability for words spoken before or written in a report to the Council or a committee
由此可見，百多年前的香港，立法局對議事規則多次的修訂，均是一次較一次進步、開明。
We can see that the numerous amendments to RoP introduced since over one hundred years ago are all intended to refine the rules and make them more liberal
到了1991年，1989年六四事件後，香港立法局開放直選議席，議員由從前只由港督委任，變成第一次由人民選出。
After the 4 June Incident in 1989 the Government introduced directly elected seats in the Legislative Council of Hong Kong in 1991 . With the participation of Members elected by the public for the first time the Council was no long made up of Governor - appointed Members only
兩年後，港督不再擔任立法局主席，主席由議員互選產生，香港終於有第一位議員主席施偉賢議員，亦即掛在會議廳外的右方牆上的第一幅相中人。
Two years later the Governor handed over the Presidency of the Legislative Council to a Member elected from among the Members and Mr John SWAINE eventually became the first elected President . The first picture hanged on the right hand side of the wall outside the Chamber is his portrait
三權分立，互相制衡，這種文明的check and balance，在1990年代已經出現。
There was separation of executive legislative and judicial powers with checks and balances . Hence as we can see a civilized system of checks and balances has already taken shape as early as in the 1990s
在此，我特別想提出一項在第一部議事規則就獲得承認的權力，便是"立法局議員可提出修正案"。
Besides I want to highlight that the right of Members to propose amendments is the very right which was laid down as early as in the first RoP
代理主席，由香港有立法局，有第一位議員提出修正案之初，百多年前由殖民地總督擔任的主席也未嘗有合併修正案，或以修正案瑣屑無聊為由而將其否決的權力。
Deputy President since the Legislative Council was first established and the first Member proposed the maiden amendment over a hundred years ago the colonial Governor in his role as the President of the Legislative Council had neither bundled Members amendments into a joint debate nor rejected their amendments under the pretext of trivia or meaninglessness
議員提出多少項修正案，立法局便要處理多少項修正案，一單還一單，清清楚楚，公事公辦。
Whenever Members put forward amendments the Legislative Council would deal with them one by one with certainty under the established procedures
今天保皇黨提出要修改《議事規則》第19條，容許主席有權指示合併修正案，簡直無視自古以來屬於議員自由提出修正案，精益求精議政的權利。
Today however the pro - Government camp seeks to amend RoP 19 to give the President the power to direct amendments to be combined . This is a total disregard for the traditional right of Members to propose amendments to refine the quality of the debate on policies
代理主席，立法會《議事規則》迄今的歷史，便是由政府、立法會主席逐步還政於民的歷史。
Deputy President the history of RoP is basically a history of returning political power from the Government and the President to the people
直至今時今日，保皇黨提出那些反文明的修訂前，歷史上每次修改《議事規則》，都是將政府與立法會主席的權力變得更克制、民主成分越來越多、議員議政的自由與監察政府的角色越來越重要的修訂。
Before the moving of these uncivilized amendments by the pro - Government camp all amendments to RoP so far have been along the lines of developing a more democratic Legislative Council by restricting the power of the Government and the President on the one hand and putting heavier weight on Members freedom of debate on policies and their role to monitor the Government on the other
非常諷刺的是，在臨近立法會《議事規則》邁向173周年紀念的這時刻，保皇黨破天荒地違背歷史步向文明的軌跡，提出賦予主席有如百多年前英國殖民地總督出任主席時的無上權力，保皇黨試圖做的是把立法會變得比英國殖民地時代更極權、更獨裁。
It is just satirical that when the RoP is approaching its 173 anniversary the pro - Government camp takes an unprecedented move to reverse course from a civilized legislature to an all - powerful President through giving him the power similar to those held by the colonial Governor over one hundred years ago in an attempt to make todays Legislative Council become more totalitarian and authoritarian than in the colonial times
政府近來沒有提交任何法案供立法會審議，明顯是準備好為修改《議事規則》讓路。
It is obvious enough that the Governments denial to submit any bill to the Legislative Council for scrutiny is to make way for the RoP amendments
即使我們現在再沒有官守議員，我們仍然可以看到行政機關與立法機關中的保皇黨沆瀣一氣、放火打劫，互相"扯貓尾"，強行修改《議事規則》。
Even though we have already scrapped the ex - officio Member appointment we can still witness the collusion between the executive authorities and the pro - Government camp in the legislature as the two fish in troubled waters and collaborate to push for the arbitrary passage of the RoP amendments
即使我們的特首不是立法會主席，但在立法會會議中，保皇黨只是政府與中央的扯線公仔。
While the Chief Executive does not take up the Presidency of the Legislative Council the pro - Government camp is actually the marionette of the Government and the Central Authorities
很可惜的是，連平日出席率奇低、開會睡覺的議員也全部歸位，想通過修改《議事規則》的議案，全部人也希望為將來的議案開綠燈。
It is unfortunate to see that Members with low attendance and those who often appear to nod off in Council meetings are present today in a concerted effort to pass the RoP motion so as to give a prior green light to future motions
"這三權是分開寫的，這也是香港三權分立制度的基礎。
The executive legislative and judicial powers are stated separately and this forms the basis of the separation of powers in Hong Kong
雖然近年中央經常說要三權合作，但《基本法》絕無此論。
There is absolutely no mention of the cooperation of powers in the Basic Law despite the fact that the Central Authorities have repeatedly called for its implementation
我在我的修正案中提到："立法會主席在執行職務時，須時刻保持和維護立法會的自主權。
I have proposed in my amendment that The President in discharging of his duties shall preserve and defend the autonomy of the Legislative Council at all times
"我這樣修改《議事規則》第1條，是希望可以時刻提醒立法會主席，行政、立法、司法這三權是分立的，立法會沒有必要，亦不必要與行政機關合作。
I propose to make this amendment to RoP 1 because I am keen to remind the President at all times that on the basis of the separation of executive legislative and judicial powers it is not a must and there is no need for the Legislative Council to cooperate with the Executive Authorities
議會的責任在於行使《基 本法》第七十三條的職權，監督行政機關。
Instead it is duty - bound for the Council to exercise the powers and functions provided for in Article 73 of the Basic Law to monitor the Executive Authorities
這一點，我希望今天和將來的立法會主席都應該牢記。
I hope the incumbent and future Presidents will bear this principle in mind
此外，我亦提出修改《議事規則》第3條，我的措辭是："立法會主席的職責是必須平衡立法會中多數人與少數人的權利及權益，並確保立法會各方面的利益得到倡議和保障，不會被任意濫用的權力損害。
Besides I also propose to amend RoP 3 . The wording of my amendment is The duties of the President require the balancing of the rights and interests of the majority and minority in the Council and that the interests of all parts of the Council are advocated and protected against the use of arbitrary authority
"代理主席，我提出這項修訂的原因，就是想將《議事規則》帶回正軌。
Deputy President I propose this amendment as I want to put RoP back on the right track
修訂《議事規則》理應是希望議會更為開放，這樣才符合一路以來我們走向文明進步的脈絡。
Any amendments to RoP should be able to bring about a more transparent Council in line with our unfailing effort to put the legislature on the path to civilization
但是，很可惜，當廖長江議員提到呈請書時，為修改有關呈請書的規定進行辯護時，他說這是100多年前英國的制度。
It appears that he has to seek elsewhere for the lost rites . However it is unfortunate for him to cite the system adopted in the United Kingdom over a hundred years in defending his proposal to amend the rules on the presentation of petitions
但至今相關制度已經由議員提出呈請，變成由人民提出呈請。
The fact is the United Kingdom system has undergone a fundamental change from a petition by council members to a petition by the public
既然如此，容許我挑戰廖長江議員或一眾支持修訂的保皇黨議員，是否夠膽將相關修訂直接交給香港人？
In this respect may I invite Mr Martin LIAO and the pro - Government Members who are for the amendment to a challenge? . Do they dare to revise the amendment and hand over the presentation of petitions to the public?
既然外國的做法是當達到某一個人數就可以提出相關呈請時，為何香港不可以？
When the overseas countries are ready to permit a petition once the number of petitioners reaches a prescribed threshold why Hong Kong cannot follow suit?
為何我們言必英、美時，我們不夠膽做到這一步？
When they are so used to drawing references from the United Kingdom and the United States why do they dare not do the same?
代理主席，為何我們沒有這種勇氣？
Deputy President why do they not have the guts to do so?
與其要增至35人，不如增至1萬、2萬、5萬、10萬名香港人。
Instead of increasing the threshold of presentation of petitions to 35 petitioners why do they not significantly expand it to say ten thousand twenty thousand fifty thousand or even one hundred thousand Hong Kong people?
保皇黨是否夠膽接受這項挑戰？
Does the pro - Government camp have the courage to accept the challenge?
與其言必英、美，不如放眼香港；與其相信外國，不如相信我們香港人，不知道保皇黨的議員是否夠膽接招？
Instead of referring to the experience in the United Kingdom and the United States they should focus on the situation in Hong Kong . They should rather have confidence in Hong Kong people than people in the overseas . I wonder if the pro - Government camp dares to accept this challenge