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《卡拉OK場所條例》第17條 的修訂中文文本是"作出合理的監管及合理的努力"。
The amended Chinese text of section 17 of the Karaoke Establishments Ordinance Cap . 573 is 作出合理的監管及合理的努力
代理主席，最後是《卡拉OK場所規例》，修訂中文文本是"作出合理的監管及合理的努力"。
Deputy Chairman lastly the amended Chinese text in the Karaoke Establishments Licensing Regulation is 作出合理的監管及合理的努力
律政司對中文的理解可能有很獨到的看法，有些條文刻意加上"的"字，有些條文則刻意刪去"的"字？
The Department of Justice may have a very unique understanding of the Chinese language as revealed in the deliberate insertion of the character 的 in some provisions and the deliberate deletion of the character 的 in other provisions
以我對中文的理解，"合理的監管"、"合理的努力"與"合理努力或合理監管"，其實並無實際差異，以"合理努力"應該足以解決現時各個中文文本差異的問題。
From my understanding of the Chinese language there is no material difference between 合理的監管 合理的努力 and 合理努力或合理監管 . The expression 合理努力 should suffice in addressing the existing variations in the Chinese text in various ordinances
鄭若驊司長亦可以說，是她看漏了，稍後會再提交一項《成文法條例草案》，就"的"字去留的問題再作修訂，以便再統一所有用字。
Secretary for Justice Teresa CHENG may also claim that it is an oversight and that she will introduce another Statute Law Bill at a later time to make further amendments to remove or retain the character 的 thereby standardizing the wording again
代理主席，《條例草案》還有其他部分其實都是相當技術性的修訂。
Deputy Chairman in fact the amendments in other parts of the Bill are quite technical as well
就這個問題，我們已在二讀辯論時提出整體的看法，但我們質疑條文為何由3名法官改為兩名？
Regarding this matter we already expressed our general views during the Second Reading debate but we have queries about the provisions ie . why is the number of judges changed from three to two?
因為《條例草案》根本不是對條例作出雜項修訂，而是實質法例的修訂，是政策的改變，理應提交一項獨立的法案，讓立法會成立法案委員會詳細審議，再提交立法會審議。
As the Bill is not simply making miscellaneous amendments to various ordinances but a substantive legal amendment to change the policy a separate bill should be introduced so that the Legislative Council will set up a Bills Committee to conduct an in - depth examination of the bill before submitting the bill to the Legislative Council for scrutiny
代理主席，我今天的發言先到此為止。
Deputy Chairman my speech today will end here
主席，尹兆堅議員剛才說保皇黨在去年區選前，就《2019年稅務條例草案》"拉布"拉了3次會議，何俊賢議員更說到火星，你卻任由他說，沒有劃線。
President Mr Andrew WAN said just now that before the District Council Election last year the royalists filibustered on the Inland Revenue Amendment Bill 2019 at three Council meetings; and when Mr Steven HO even talked about the Mars you still allowed him to speak without drawing a line
你現在是否用雙重標準，處理我們議會的進度？
Are you using a double standard to deal with the proceedings of the Council meetings?
林卓廷議員，如果你繼續在席上叫喊，我......
Mr LAM Cheuk - ting if you continue to shout in your seat I
我不是叫喊，而是提出規程問題。
I am not shouting; I am raising a point of order
主席，作為主席，你作出裁決是否可以有雙重標準？
President as the President can you apply a double standard in making your ruling?
主席，黃碧雲議員問我為甚麼按鈕會按得較她快，因為我真的準備好發言。
President Dr Helena WONG asked me why I managed to press the button before she did . It was because I am indeed prepared to speak
《2019年漁業保護條例草案》的目的是賦予漁農自然護理署署長酌情權，批准在2012年6月15日未領有有效運作牌照的漁船的登記申請。
The Fisheries Protection Amendment Bill 2019 the Bill seeks to confer on the Director of Agriculture Fisheries and Conservation DAFC discretionary power to approve applications for registration of fishing vessels which did not possess a valid operating licence on 15 June 2012
《條例草案》將為現時的登記制度補漏拾遺，使之前未能登記的漁船可獲登記，從而令2012年年中前仍在作業的漁船可以重新作業。
The Bill will plug the gap in the existing registration scheme to accommodate the registration of fishing vessels that had not been able to register before and hence enable fishing vessels in operation before mid - 2012 to conduct their operations afresh
主席，我曾研究《條例草案》，我覺得很奇怪，為甚麼2012年出現的問題要需時整整8年，直到2020年才提交《條例草案》來補漏拾遺呢？
President I have studied the Bill and I found it very strange as to why a problem that emerged in 2012 is tackled only after eight whole years in 2020 now by putting forward this Bill to plug the gap?
這是匪夷所思的。
This is just inconceivable
主席，讓我說說漁船登記制度的背景，我不會說太久。
President let me say a few words about the background of the registration scheme for fishing vessels and it will not be long
其實，以前捕魚無須申領牌照，但大家也知道，由於要保護海洋資源，尤其是在近岸取得的漁穫對海洋有很大的影響，因此便設立登記制度，禁止一些對海洋生態破壞比較嚴重的作業模式。
Actually fishing did not require a licence in the past . But as we all know given the need to conserve marine resources especially as inshore fisheries can have a significant bearing on the marine environment a registration scheme was therefore put in place to ban practices posing relatively serious threats to the marine ecosystem
其後，當局開始慢慢透過登記制度對例如拖網捕魚等受管制的捕魚活動稍作規管，亦可以令漁業持續發展。
Subsequently such regulated fishing activities as trawling have been brought under some sort of regulation gradually through the registration scheme and this can also facilitate the sustainable development of the fisheries industry
可是，代理主席，在2012年修訂《漁業保護條例》後竟然發現問題。
Having said that Deputy President there were nevertheless problems after the amendment of the Fisheries Protection Ordinance in 2012
在登記期限內，有4,474艘漁船獲登記，並有494宗登記申請被拒絕，當中319宗的拒絕理由是有關漁船在2012年6月15日未領有有效的運作牌照。
During the registration period 4 474 vessels were registered and 494 applications for registration were rejected among which 319 were turned down on the grounds that the vessels concerned did not possess a valid operating licence on 15 June 2012
大部分遭拒絕的申請已經就漁護署署長拒絕登記的決定向行政上訴委員會提出上訴。
Most of the rejected applications had lodged appeals against DAFCs refusal with the Administrative Appeals Board AAB
截至2019年10月底，行政上訴委員會聆訊了182宗個案，並就160宗個案作出裁決。
As at the end of October 2019 AAB panels have heard 182 cases and handed down rulings on 160 of them
因不符合運作牌照的規定而遭漁護署署長拒絕登記的上訴個案，至今被行政上訴委員會全部裁定敗訴。
AAB so far has dismissed all appeals against DAFCs refusal of registration that failed to meet the operating licence requirement
代理主席，我過往很少研究有關漁業保護或漁船登記的條例，這不是我的專長，何俊賢議員在席，他才是專家。
Deputy President seldom do I study ordinances relating to the protection of the fisheries industry or registration of fishing vessels as these areas are not my specialty whereas Mr Steven HO who is in the Chamber now is an expert
但是，看到同事替我準備的背景資料後，我真的覺得匪夷所思。
But having read the background information prepared for me by my colleagues I do find the situation inconceivable
當年發現法例有這樣的漏洞和流弊後，為何不在一兩年內填補法例的漏洞呢？
When this very loophole or flaw was found in the Ordinance back then why was the loophole not plugged in a year or two?
由2012年至今2020年共有七八年時間，這些漁船仍可以運作嗎？
During those seven or eight years from 2012 to 2020 were these fishing vessels still in operation and could they carry on with their fishing operations?
使用這些漁船捕魚有否違法呢？
Is it against the law to use these fishing vessels for fishing?
另一問題是，當時的修例工作是否很"離地"呢？
Another problem is whether the amendment exercise back then was way detached from reality
代理主席，很多漁民和漁業界人士對我們說，現時登記制度的出發點固然好，但要保護香港的海洋資源便同時要做好執法。
Deputy President many fishermen and members of the fisheries industry have told us that while the existing registration scheme is certainly well - intentioned effective law enforcement has to be ensured at the same time in order to conserve marine resources in Hong Kong . At present many Mainland fishing vessels have illegally entered Hong Kong waters to engage in fishing
現時有很多內地漁船非法進入本港水域捕魚，不單在海上作業，有些更在近岸的位置活動，甚至在尹兆堅議員所屬的新界西，濕地公園裏的彈塗魚也被人捉去，那裏有很多彈塗魚，全都被捉去便不得了。
They conduct operations not only at sea but they even carry out inshore activities . Even in Mr Andrew WANs New Territories West constituency mudskippers in the Wetland Park have been poached . A lot of mudskippers can be found there and it would be disastrous if all of them are poached
漁民向我們反映說，晚上數以十計的漁船在本港海域作業，大規模地使用他們稱為"蛇籠"、"地籠"、"長城籠"的魚網楊岳橋議員聽到這些名字也皺眉把蝦毛蟹將全部捉走，這還得了嗎？
According to the fishermen tens of these fishing vessels conduct operations in Hong Kong waters at night and they have extensively used fishing nets which they call serpentine traps ground cages or great wall cages―even Mr Alvin YEUNG has frowned upon hearing these names―to catch shrimps and crabs and everything . Is this not ridiculous?
因此，現時香港的海洋資源已處於非常危險的狀況，如果漁船的登記又做得不好的話，便會令原意是保護本港海洋資源的政策事倍功半。
Therefore the marine resources in Hong Kong are in great peril now . If the registration of fishing vessels is not conducted adequately the policies which originally aim to conserve marine resources in Hong Kong would get half the result with twice the effort
因此，代理主席，我希望政府要改變這些影響市民的政策時，無論是法例的草擬、行政安排或公眾諮詢，一定要做足做妥，不要只管快、只說要趕急做而不進行公眾諮詢，強硬地通過，最終只會影響市民。
In this connection I hope that when the Government introduces changes to these policies which will affect the public work must be carried out comprehensively and properly whether in respect of law drafting administrative arrangements or public consultation . Do not just stress on taking speedy actions and getting things done expeditiously without conducting public consultation for forcing anything through would only render the public affected at the end of the day
我希望代理主席稍後會給予議員充足時間就此議題發言，因為香港的環保政策、海洋資源以至漁業界的生計，都是非常重要的。
I hope that you Deputy President will later on allow Members ample time to speak on this issue because the policy on environmental protection marine resources and the livelihood of the members of the fisheries industry in Hong Kong are all of great importance . I shall stop here
我發言到此為止，多謝。
Thank you
各位議員，這項條例草案的目的是賦權漁護署署長行使酌情權，登記未領有有效運作牌照的漁船或前拖網漁船。
Members the purpose of this Bill is to empower the Director of Agriculture Fisheries and Conservation to exercise discretionary power for the registration of fishing vessels or former trawlers that did not possess a valid operating licence
我請議員針對《條例草案》的整體優劣發言。
I urge Members to speak on the general merits of the Bill
可以考慮的做法真的有很多，我不想逐一作出建議，但我希望當我們反對《條例草案》後，行政機關能夠徹底覺悟，重新探索另外一些好方法，而不需要更改由3名法官處理個案的做法，因為有關做法公平公正，並能維護優良傳統，這點最為重要。
I will not list out such suggestions but I hope that upon our opposition against the Bill the Executive Authorities can have a thorough understanding of the situation and explore afresh other alternatives without having to change the practice of having three judges to handle cases . The above practice is fair and just and can safeguard the fine tradition . This is the most important point
因此，我們不應該隨便聽取一個司法機關的建議便作出決定。
Therefore we should not make a decision by causally listening to one proposal of the Judiciary
主席，我有一個更重要的反對理由，就是行政機關沒有檢討整個事件的因由。
President I have a more important reason to raise opposition and that is the Executive Authorities have not reviewed the cause for the whole incident
但大家都知道，每件事有果自必然有因，行政機關不探究或不告知當中的因由便作出這個結論，我覺得這是不恰當的。
However as known to all there must be a cause for every outcome in each incident . The Executive Authorities drew a conclusion without exploring or telling us the cause . I find this practice inappropriate
今次修例後是否必然會成功呢？
Will the problem be resolved after the legislative amendments are made?
其他國家有不少成功個案，但香港的成功個案卻很少，這些情況都是事實，並非我們創造出來。
There are quite a number of successful cases in other countries but successful cases in Hong Kong are not that many . These situations are the real facts which are not fabricated by us
相關數字就放在我們眼前。
The relevant figures are evident to all
事實上，我們要維護的，不單是聲請人生活狀況，還有香港人的生活狀況，特別是社會上重視的核心價值人權。
In fact what we need to safeguard are not only the living conditions of the claimants but also the living conditions of Hong Kong people especially the core value highly regarded in society―human rights
我不重複其他同事的論點，但我不得不說的是，我認為《條例草案》破壞了我們的優良傳統，破壞了我們維護人權的核心價值，破壞了法治精神，這就是我真正擔心的狀況。
I will not repeat the arguments raised by other colleagues but I have to say that in my opinion the Bill has ruined our fine tradition ruined our core value of upholding human rights and ruined the rule of law . This is the situation that I am genuinely worried about
主席，我想提出規程問題。
President I wish to raise a point of order
我想問，謝偉俊議員剛才是否指我說廢話？
I want to ask if Mr Paul TSE has accused me of talking nonsense just now
他的發言與議題不符，而且不斷重複，連最基本的議題亦沒有弄清楚，與事實不符，全部都是廢話，主席。
His speech was not related to the subject and he kept making repetition . He even failed to get a clear idea of the most fundamental issue and his speech was factually incorrect . All was nonsense President
主席，我剛才請閣下就謝偉俊議員說"邵家臻議員剛才的發言是廢話"這句話作出裁決。
President just now I asked you to make a ruling on Mr Paul TSEs remark that the speech made by Mr SHIU Ka - chun just now was all nonsense
主席，我對你的裁決表示不滿。
President I am dissatisfied with your ruling
律政司司長，你是否想再次發言？
Secretary for Justice do you wish to speak again?
再者，雖然此點備受質疑，但行政機關無論是在諮詢過程以致審議過程當中，竟然一而再、再而三說由於個案的背景關係，他們不能夠指出新安排能否節省時間。
Notwithstanding this the Executive Authorities have from consultation to scrutiny said repeatedly that they could not state whether the new arrangement could save time given the different background of cases
主席，我並非要教議員怎樣當議員，特別是張超雄議員也是一位資深的議員。
President I am not trying to teach other Members how to conduct themselves as Members particularly given the fact that Dr Fernando CHEUNG is also a senior Member
胡志偉議員，你擔任立法會議員的年資與我相同，所以你一定比我更明白立法會全體委員會應該做的工作。
Mr WU Chi - wai we have the same seniority in the Legislative Council . You should know better than I do about the work of a committee of the whole Council
我最後警告你，如果你繼續離題，我會停止你的發言。
This is my last warning to you . If you continue to digress from the subject I will stop you from speaking
好的，就着這項修正案，其實我們所面對的問題，就是政府當局把上訴法庭3名法官改成兩名所帶來的後遺症。
Fine . Regarding this amendment the problem is that the Administrations proposal of allowing a two - Judge CA to replace a three - Judge CA will bring undesirable consequences
正如剛才打斷我發言的梁耀忠議員，他便問到要給予漁民甚麼賠償，又如何讓他們領回牌照繼續經營漁業。
As in the case of Mr LEUNG Yiu - chung who had just interrupted my speech he asked about the compensation to be offered to fishermen and how they can get back their licence to continue with their fishing operations
他還口口聲聲說，他8年前有參與通過這項法例，8年前不看文件，8年後的今天也不看文件。
How dare he say he had voted for the legislation eight years ago? . He did not study the papers eight years ago and neither does he do so today
我想叫尹兆堅議員找一艘船，是由他做船主的，還要在2012年6月14日時已經擁有這艘船。
I would like to ask Mr Andrew WAN to get a vessel which he is the owner and has owned the vessels since 14 June 2012
而且，2019年12月事務委員會的文件，第8段已註明，即使在條文修訂後，今次只涉及319艘船的上訴個案，以及在2012年6月14日完結前因為運作牌照的問題，而被假設申請會遭拒絕的個案。
Moreover the eighth paragraph of the paper submitted to the Panel in December 2019 states clearly that even upon the amendment of the legislation it will merely involve the 319 vessels under appeal as well as the applications presumed to be refused in view of the operating licences by 14 June 2012
所以，根本不會發展至尹兆堅議員剛才所說的情況。
Hence the situation mentioned by Mr Andrew WAN just now will not occur at all
多位議員剛才都大義凜然發言，一如楊岳橋議員般跳出來發言，指條文限制的漁船是第III類，他說的那些用詞，我雖然聽過，但作為漁民，我也不用那些用詞來形容這些船。
A number of Members spoke with a strong sense of righteousness and they simply jumped to the forefront like Mr Alvin YEUNG . Just now Mr YEUNG has said that restriction under the provision is applicable to Class III vessels . Though I have heard those terms he used I as a fisherman will not use those terms for such vessels
在某程度上，如果大家真的關注這項條文，甚至漁民，我希望不是由今天做起。
In some measure if Members are really concerned about this provision or even fishermen I hope they are not merely doing this today
大家先要認清楚自己是否有心做，還是只把漁民作人質？
Members should find out if they are doing this sincerely or are they simply treating fishermen as hostage?
我膽敢問會議廳內各人，包括陳肇始局長及她身旁那位他不太出名，不過將來會出名的，日後會升職的上一次落漁船與漁民傾談是何時？
I dare to ask all those who are present in the Chamber including Secretary Prof Sophia CHAN and the colleague beside her―he is not famous yet he will become famous when he gets promoted in future―when was their last visit to a fishing vessel to chat with fishermen?
8年也不看文件的人竟說我離題，荒天下之大謬！
A person who has not read papers for eight years is now saying that I have digressed from the subject
我剛才說到，因我接觸漁民，所以知道他們真正遇到的問題。
It is outrageous! . Just now I said that since I have kept in touch with fishermen I know what problems they are really facing
當中出現了一個很大的問題，就是《條例草案》條文提及的運作牌照，牽涉到海事處長年的運作問題。
A serious problem was exposed that is the operating licence mentioned in the Bill which involves MDs operation problem over the years
此時，香港社會亦出現有很多政治事件，包括2014年的非法佔中，接下來便一直拖延。
In the meantime there have been a lot of political incidents in the society of Hong Kong including the illegal Occupy Central movement and things have been delayed since then
究竟這項條例草案是否真的變成最重要，所以才拖延至今天呢？
Is the Bill really so important that it has been delayed until today?
這就是今天在我之前發言的8位議員只是7位"攬炒派"議員"拉布"的後果。
This is the consequence brought forth by the filibusters of Members from the mutual - destruction camp the eight Members―seven only―who have spoken before me today
當然，路線並不一樣，因為新型冠狀病毒疫情的出現，加速大家"死亡"，但目標其實是一致的，就是希望拖延審議法案，甚至把漁民"夾上馬"，一起"攬炒"。
Certainly the course of development may differ . The outbreak of coronavirus has expedited our death . Nonetheless their objectives are the same for they hope to delay the examination of Bills and even drag fishermen into mutual destruction
因此，我希望香港市民今天要看清楚，即使只是一項有關酌情權的簡單條文，容許319位漁民取回應得的捕魚權也這麼困難，可想而 知特區政府未來施政會遇到多麼大的阻力。
Hence I hope the people of Hong Kong will see this clearly today . This is merely a simple provision on conferring discretionary power to allow 319 fishermen to regain their fishing rights yet it has been made so difficult . We can imagine the great resistance the SAR Government may face in governance in future
今天，我再次對大家說，我希望這邊端正地坐着的建設力量的議員可以繼續維持在35位以上，這事並非我們坐在這裏便足夠，未來還要香港市民支持才可以。
Today I reiterate that I hope Members from the constructive force who are sitting properly on this side will continue to keep the headcount at above 35 . This is not enough for us to simply sit here and we need the support of the people of Hong Kong in future
我希望大家用心聆聽《條例草案》背後的真正原因、每項條例的起因，甚至在面對抹黑時，也要自行查找真相。
I hope the public will listen attentively for the genuine reasons behind the Bill and the intent of every piece of legislation . Even in the face of slander the public should seek the truth themselves
最後提一下，雖然今次修改了條文，但未必能完全解決問題，因為我們今天的智慧未必能摸索或預見一些無法預知的情況，否則便不會說是意外、漏洞，所以行政上要做得快，要8年才修訂有關條例並不理想。
Lastly I would like to mention that despite the amendment of the provision this time around the problem may not be solved completely for with the wisdom we have today we may not be able to find out or foretell certain unforeseeable conditions otherwise we would not call them accidents and loopholes . Hence administrative work has to be done swiftly . Taking eight years to propose the legislative amendment is undesirable
我今天以漁民的聲音對政府說，政府可以從嚴處理這項法例的問題，但千萬不要再以漁民作人質。
Today I am telling the Government on behalf of fishermen that it may handle this legislative issue strictly yet fishermen should not be taken hostage again
主席，我發言反對三讀《2019年成文法條例草案》。
President I speak to oppose the Third Reading of the Statute Law Bill 2019 the Bill
這項修訂其實會衝擊香港已經相當薄弱及弱不禁風的法治。
This amendment will in fact deal a blow to the rule of law in Hong Kong which is already weak and feeble
法治不是被宣稱擁有的，而是要被所有人，特別是無權無勢的人視為公平、公正的做法。
The rule of law should not be something we claim to have but something to be seen as fair and just by all especially those who have no power or influence
香港人以往很可能認為這些第三世界的極權國家與我們距離很遠，但諷刺及可悲的是，越來越多香港人本身也成為了政治難民。
In the past Hong Kong people might think that these totalitarian third world countries were far away from us but ironically and sadly more and more Hong Kong people have become political refugees themselves
當我們將心比己時，不禁會想起很多在香港本來安分守己的人士，也遭受政治打壓，需要申請成為政治難民。
When we put ourselves in their shoes we cannot help but think of those law - abiding Hong Kong people who were subjected to political suppression and had to apply for asylum as political refugees
其實，那些香港人與這些由於在其本身國家受到種種強權及獨裁政府的壓力，而要逃到香港的難民，兩者之間何其相似。
In fact those Hong Kong people are similar to these refugees who have fled to Hong Kong because of the oppression from various authoritarian and dictatorial governments in their countries of origin
雖然香港並非一個主權地方，但在回歸前後，很多在世界各地遭受壓迫的人，都視香港為一個公平、公正的地方，所以他們選擇在香港提出難民聲請，也有箇中道理。
Although Hong Kong is not a sovereign state before and after reunification many of those who were subjected to oppression in other parts of the world regarded Hong Kong as a fair and just place . That was why they chose to make refugee claims in Hong Kong
本會現正進行三讀辯論，議員應討論是否支持三讀《條例草案》。
This Council is now having the Third Reading debate and Members should focus their speeches on whether they support the Third Reading of the Bill or not
有關《條例草案》的整體優劣，議員應在二讀辯論時提出，而個別條文和修正案，亦應在全體委員會審議階段討論。
The general merits of the Bill should have been raised during the Second Reading debate while individual clauses and amendments should have been discussed during the Committee stage
因此，當難民聲請不再那麼多，而立法會卻通過了一項從根本上改變上訴法庭組成的修訂，我們是否負責任的議員，這是否一個負責任的決定，議會又是否已盡其責任守護法治？
As such when refugee claims are not as many as before but the Legislative Council has passed an amendment that fundamentally changes the CA composition are we acting in a responsible manner is this a responsible decision and has this Council fulfilled its duty to uphold the rule of law?
請大家不 要把《條例草案》看得太簡單，因為這絕對會影響其他並非難民聲請的申請人。
Members should not take the Bill too lightly because it will definitely affect other applicants who are not refugee claimants
舉例來說，當有人向上訴法庭提出上訴許可申請時，他們同樣會由兩名法官處理其申請，這又是否我們樂於看到的呢？
For example when members of the public apply for leave to appeal to CA their applications will also be handled by two judges . Is this what we would like to see?
大家知道在百多年前香港的殖民地情況下，拘捕人後，便立即在域多利法院審判，審判後便......
As we all know over a hundred years ago in colonial Hong Kong arrested persons were immediately brought up to the Victoria Court for trial and after trial
令我擔心的是，現時在終審法院，雖然是非常任的海外法官，已經出現一個退出或辭職潮。
What worries me is the recent wave of quitting and resignations in the Court of Final Appeal although it only involves non - permanent overseas judges
這點會大大打擊資深法律人員留在較高等的法庭，包括上訴法庭或終審法院的信心。
This is a heavy blow to the confidence of senior judges and judicial officers in higher courts including CA and the Court of Final Appeal
主席，我正想解釋為何我贊成這些修訂，同時也要反對。
President I am going to explain why I support these amendments and oppose them at the same time
這些修訂能對以往錯誤的觀念作出及時的修正，將一些帶有性別歧視的用詞，例如遺孀、遺孀的子女，在《尚存配偶及子女撫恤金條例》中用一些配偶等。
These amendments can make timely corrections to the past erroneous concepts substituting sex - discriminatory terms such as widows and widows children with some words like spouses in the Surviving Spouses and Childrens Pensions Ordinance
在今時今日的社會，我們是歡迎的。
Such amendments are welcomed in society today
又或者將"弱智者"改為"精神上無行為能力的人"，我們也同意。
We also support the amendment to substitute defective with mentally incapacitated person
雖然"精神上無行為能力的人"，根據監護委員會，是包括很多意思......
Although mentally incapacitated person carries many meanings according to the Guardianship Board
我反對三讀，我很快說完，主席。
I oppose the Third Reading and I will finish my speech quickly President
我反對三讀，不等於我反對《條例草案》內一些行文上的改變。
While I oppose the Third Reading that does not mean that I oppose the textual amendments proposed in the Bill
這些改變會令某些人士，以往被歧視或錯誤地以性別選擇的做法被歧視或被奪去法律上的權利，我表示贊成。
I agree that these amendments can redress those who have been discriminated wrongfully discriminated or deprived of legal rights on the basis of sex
當政府，尤其是今時今日的政府及律政部門失去市民支持，當大部分香港人擔心或面對法治不彰、司法制度受到衝擊時，這些修訂不是很應該去做的。
When the Government especially the present Government and the legal department has lost public support and when most Hong Kong people are worried about or experiencing a failure in the rule of law and an impact on the judicial system it may not be worth making these amendments
希望有更多香港人以香港為家，更多香港人希望法治得以彰顯。
I hope that more Hong Kong people will see Hong Kong as their home and that more Hong Kong people will long for the upholding of the rule of law
但是，今時今日香港的處境，再加上一些政府部門及司法制度受到嚴重衝擊下，實在無法令我支持三讀《條例草案》。
However given the present situation in Hong Kong with some government departments and the judicial system under severe attack I really cannot support the Third Reading of the Bill
涂議員，你有甚麼規程問題？
Mr TO what is your point of order?
涂謹申議員，我只是提醒委員不要離題，請坐下。
Mr James TO I just meant to remind the Member speaking not to digress from the subject please sit down
我現在說的正是有關CSA，即在第34B5條加入第34B3條的情況。
I am speaking on the relevant CSA which allows section 34B5 to cover the circumstance in section 34B3
如果有關情況根本永遠不會適用的話，我們就不需要加入修正案，亦不需要把本身已經複雜的程序更複雜化。
If this circumstance never happens there is no need for the current amendment to cover this circumstance to complicate the already complicated procedure
本會共花了超過4小時點算會議法定人數，而我和代理主席亦多次指出議員發言離題或不斷重複本身或其他議員的論點，並要求議員聚焦發言。
This Council has spent more than 4 hours on headcounts . The Deputy President and I have pointed out time and again that Members have digressed or they have persisted in repetition of their own or other Members arguments; and we have asked them to focus their speeches on the subject matter