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局長是否收到消息，指迪士尼如果無法得到今次這筆58億元公帑的撥款，便會倒閉和撤資離開香港呢？
Has the Secretary received information that Disneyland will close down and withdraw its investment from Hong Kong if this 5.8 billion public funding is not obtained?
所以，政府的參與是必需的，我們也會更積極檢視旅遊業在整體旅遊基建項目的定位和功能。
Therefore the Governments participation is necessary . We will also review more actively the positioning and role of tourism industry in the overall tourism infrastructure projects
主席，迪士尼其實是所有香港市民共同擁有的資產。
President Disneyland is actually an asset jointly owned by all the people of Hong Kong
坊間有很多專業人士批評，迪士尼在財務狀況披露方面，低於一般水平。
Many professionals in the society criticized that Disneyland is below the general standard in terms of financial disclosure
有見及此，局長可否敦促迪士尼董事局，日後在財政年度披露財務狀況時，必須追上香港上市公司的水平。
In view of this can the Secretary urge the Board of Directors of Disneyland to keep up with the standard of Hong Kong listed companies when disclosing its financial situation in the future?
雖然迪士尼並非上市公司，但它確實是香港市民共同擁有的資產，局長可否向本會議員承諾，確保迪士尼在財務披露方面，符合香港上市公司的水平？
Although Disneyland is not a listed company it is indeed an asset jointly owned by the people of Hong Kong . Can the Secretary make an undertaking to Members of this Council to ensure that Disneyland will meet the standard required of Hong Kong listed companies in terms of financial disclosure?
主席，我在經濟發展事務委員會或其他場合，也曾經聽到議員就迪士尼披露數據方面表達的訴求。
President I have heard Members demand regarding information disclosure of Disneyland in the Panel on Economic Development and on other occasions
主席，我認同局長所說，香港迪士尼對吸引遊客和帶動香港經濟及就業有直接幫助。
President I agree with the Secretary that HKDL can directly help attract tourists and contribute to Hong Kongs economy and employment
可是，樂園始終是企業，不能長期靠"輸血"維生，更不能長期出現虧損。
However HKDL is an enterprise after all . It cannot rely on cash injections to survive in the long run and it can hardly even afford financial losses persistently
局長應該知道，香港迪士尼的經營成本包括支付美國總部的專利權費及管理費開支。
The Secretary should know that the operating costs of HKDL include royalty and management fee payments to its headquarters in the United States
在這次談判中，當局有否要求美方在香港迪士尼出現虧損的情況下，免收或減收這兩項開支？
During this negotiation have the authorities asked the United States to waive or reduce the payment of these two fees in the event that HKDL incurs losses?
我們過去亦曾經因應實際業務情況與迪士尼討論作出調整，正如我曾經多次解釋，管理費於2009年其實已經作出調整，把管理費與扣除利息、稅項、折舊和攤銷前的盈利掛鈎。
In the past we also discussed with TWDC to make adjustments according to actual business performance . As I have repeatedly explained adjustments were made in 2009 to peg the management fee to earnings before interest tax depreciation and amortization EBITDA
局長沒有向我們解釋有否討論過這個問題？
The Secretary has not explained to us whether the issue has been discussed
主席，迪士尼已經營運了10年，政府作為投資一方可否告訴本會從開始進行投資，直至最近出現虧損，整個項目的內部或整體回報率為何？
President Disneyland has been in operation for 10 years . As an investor could the Government tell this Council the internal or overall rate of return of the entire project from the time the investment was first made until losses have incurred recently?
主席，我剛才在主體答覆已公布了有關數據。
President I have made public the relevant data in the main reply
主席，政黨之間有不同意見，議員在議會中針鋒相對在所難免。
President it is inevitable that political parties have different views and Members engage in heated exchanges in the Council
即使當地議員為很多不同議題吵得面紅耳熱，針鋒相對，但都不會對議會內擺放的國旗作出侮辱的行為，因為這樣做便等於踐踏自己的國家和民族你不認同自己的國家和民族，才會做出這種侮辱國旗的行為。
Even if the local council members have fierce debates and angry exchanges on various issues they will never do insulting acts to the national flags placed inside the councils because it is the same as trampling on their own countries and peoples―only when a person does not identify whit his own country and people that he commits such insulting acts to the national flag
我在預備今天的發言時，留意到一個經常要求獨立的地方，便是西班牙一個自治區加泰羅尼亞。
While I was preparing for todays speech it came to my attention that a place often seeks independence that is an autonomous community of Spain Catalonia
當地議會有很多議員都希望獨立，即使如此，他們在議會中舉起加泰羅尼亞的旗幟，都不會侮辱自己國家，即西班牙的國旗，因為他們知道如果這樣做，其實也在侮辱自己。
Many members of the local council desire independence . Even though they hoist the Catalonian flag in the council still they would not insult their own country that is the Spanish national flag because they know doing so means they are insulting themselves
而我們今天辯論鄭松泰議員倒插國旗的行為，他不僅侮辱自己和議會，同時侮辱所有香港人和中國人。
Today we are having a debate on Dr CHENG Chung - tais behaviour of inverting the national flags . He has insulted not only himself and the Council but also Hong Kong people and Chinese at large
議會是屬於全體香港市民的，這裏的議員代表全體香港市民，不止代表一小撮人。
The Council belongs to all Hong Kong people; Members here represent the totality of Hong Kong people not just a handful
一個負責任的議員當然要表達自己的意見，表達支持他的選民的意見，但是亦要顧及整體社會的感受。
A responsible Member certainly expresses his views and those of his voters who support him but must also take into account the sentiments of society at large
現時鄭松泰議員正正只顧表達自己的意見，只懂得討好支持他的人，而忽略整個社會和國家。
Now Dr CHENG Chung - tai only cares about expressing his own views to please his supporters at the expense of the entire society and country
即使鄭松泰議員在議會作出這些行為是他口中所謂的"抗爭"，但在於我們看來，這些只不過是爭"出位"、爭鏡頭的動作。
Even though Dr CHENG Chung - tai has termed such acts as the so - called resistance but to us these are nothing but acts committed to capture the limelight and attract media attention
如果他用侮辱國旗這一招來爭鏡頭、爭"出位"，我覺得這種行為是非常卑劣，事實上亦不符合《基本法》。
I found his behaviour utterly despicable if he insulted the national flag for the sake of capturing the limelight and attracting media attention while also in fact violating the Basic Law
從普通人的角度看來，鄭松泰議員的行為其實已經違反自己的誓詞。
In the eyes of an ordinary man in the street Dr CHENG Chung - tais behaviour is already in breach of his own oath
不談法律，單看其動作，他兩次將民主建港協進聯盟議員桌上的國旗倒轉擺放，這是行為極不檢點。
Putting the law aside his actions of twice inverting the national flags placed on the desks of Members from the Democratic Alliance for the Betterment and Progress of Hong Kong constituted grossly disorderly conduct
我很記得主席當天曾經命令他離開會議廳，但他公然違抗主席的裁決，這絕對不是立法會議員應有的行為。
I remembered well that the President had ordered him to leave the Chamber and he blatantly defied the Presidents ruling . It was definitely not the behaviour expected of a Legislative Council Member
不過，很可惜，即使鄭議員做出這種卑劣的行為，剛才仍有很多泛民主派議員給他掩飾，用很多歪理來維護。
Unfortunately despite his dishonourable behaviour just now many pan - democrat Members have covered up for him by employing much sophistry
陳志全議員不承認當天擺放在議員桌上的是國旗或區旗，只稱為展示品；郭家麒議員的言論則更可笑，他說那些國旗的尺寸並非標準尺寸，所以不是國旗或區旗。
Mr CHAN Chi - chuen denied that those were national flags or regional flags placed on the desks of Members that day; he referred to them as exhibits . Dr KWOK Ka - kis remark was even more comical; he said that those flags were not of the standard specifications so they were not national or regional flags
其實他們是刻意淡化事件，維護鄭松泰議員。
In fact they are deliberately downplaying the incident to defend Dr CHENG Chung - tai
我很希望稍後就議案投票時，泛民同事不要再為鄭松泰議員的行為作掩飾。
I hope when the motion is put to the vote later Honourable colleagues from the pan - democratic camp will stop covering up for Dr CHENG Chung - tais behaviour
我很記得，在數星期前的內務委員會會議上，鄭松泰議員為自己的行為作掩飾， 說他不是侮辱國旗，因為根據國際慣例，把國旗倒轉擺放是向他人求救的意思。
I recall that at a House Committee meeting a few weeks ago Dr CHENG Chung - tai covered up his behaviour by pointing out that he did not insult the national flag as according to the international practice inverting a national flag means calling for someones help . Deputy President it is absolutely preposterous
代理主席，這真是荒天下之大謬，我不評論有關意義，但是，很明顯鄭先生是敢做不敢認，當面對着大家的批評時，他便用各種方法來狡辯。
I will not comment on such a meaning but it is obvious that Dr CHENG had the guts to do what he did but none to admit it . Facing widespread criticisms he resorted to specious arguments of every sense
代理主席，你剛才引述了鄭先生一本書，名為《由本土民權到建邦立國》。
Deputy President just now you have quoted a book by Dr CHENG entitled Civic Nationalism and State Formation
"香港人沒有故土，唯有香港建國"，下款是"鄭松泰"，這是他的書的序言。
Hong Kong people have no homeland formation of a Hong Kong nation is the only way with CHENG Chung - tai as the undersigned . It is the preface of his book from which we can tell that he has no country in his mind
因此，從序言可見他心中有沒有國家，究竟他做出把國旗倒轉擺放的行為是向某些人求救，還是他真的目無國家，侮辱國家？
Did he invert the national flags to ask for someones help or does he have no regard for his country and wants to insult it?
這是很清楚的，不容任何狡辯。
It is crystal clear without any room for sophistry
事實上，如果議員在議會內做錯事或說錯話，其實不要緊，最重要的是承認和承擔。
As a matter of fact if Members say or do things wrong in the Council it is all right because the most important point is to admit the mistake and take the responsibility
不過，我們看到今天的議會內，梁頌恆、游蕙禎和鄭松泰議員同樣不願意面對自己的錯誤，犯了錯還在百般狡辯。
However as we can see in the Council today Sixtus LEUNG YAU Wai - ching and Dr CHENG Chung - tai have all been unwilling to admit their mistakes and resorted to sophistry by all crooked means
我們剛才進行辯論時，我留意到公眾席有中學生來旁聽。
Just now I noted that there were secondary school students in the public gallery observing the meeting
我們究竟要教導年輕人做勇於認錯、有承擔的人，還是要教他們做侮辱國家、死不認錯的人呢？
Do we want to teach young people to admit their mistakes and take responsibilities or teach them to insult their country and never admit their wrongdoings?
我明白大家都有自己的判斷，但仍然期望大家對於我剛才的問題有正面的回應。
I understand that we all have our own judgment but I still hope to see responses to the question I just asked
所以，我支持謝偉俊議員的議案，反對陳志全議員的議案。
Therefore I support Mr Paul TSEs motion but oppose Mr CHAN Chi - chuens motion
因為當我們發現有人犯錯，無論使用任何方法，也要譴責、投訴或報警處理，不會姑息養奸。
The two approaches can proceed in parallel because when we discover that someone has done something wrong whatever approach we take we have got to condemn it complain about it or report it to the Police . We will not tolerate or abet any wrongdoings
這是因為之前有兩位 前議員我也不知道他們曾否算是議員在宣誓時說出"支那"和侮辱國家的言論。
Because two former Members―I do not know if they can be regarded as having served as Members―had used the term Shina and made humiliating remarks about the country during oath - taking
為了告訴他們，《基本法》訂明香港特別行政區是中國的一部分，我們便擺放國旗和區旗，提醒大家需要莊嚴地承諾和處理。
To tell them that the Basic Law clearly stipulates that the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region is a part of China we displayed the national and regional flags to remind Members that we need to make and treat our pledge solemnly
蔣麗芸議員剛才也提到，很多人都說"天子犯法，與庶民同罪"。
As mentioned by Dr CHIANG Lai - wan just now many people would say that both the emperor and the people are equal before the law
無論有關議員是否民選議員，犯法便是犯法，民選不是一個可以無法無天的理由或藉口。
No matter whether the Member concerned was elected by the people or not an offence remains an offence . That one is elected by the people cannot constitute a reason or excuse for total disregard for the law
我亦相信，鄭松泰議員今天無論因法律制裁或譴責而最終受到懲罰，投票給他的市民都會說他的"小學雞"行為辜負了他們對鄭松泰議員的期望。
I also believe that if Dr CHENG Chung - tai is punished ultimately be it by the law or by the censure today people who have voted for him will say that his puerile behaviour has failed to live up to their expectations on him
過去，很多議員用不同方式擾亂立法會的秩序，例如在宣誓時"加料"、向出席官員擲蕉、擲杯甚至搶文件等。
In the past many Members disrupted order in the Legislative Council in different ways such as adding extra materials during oath - taking hurling bananas at the attending public officers throwing a glass and even snatching papers
但是，大部分行為都得到之前的議員或會議的主席從輕處理，因為我們相信基於大家一場同事，退一步海闊天空。
Nevertheless most of such behaviour was handled with leniency by Members or the person chairing the meeting because we believed that being colleagues if we took a step backward we would have much greater leeway
然而，我們真的沒有想過，原來我們退一步，他們便走前一步；我們再退一步，他們會再走前一步，得寸進尺，完全沒有考慮過大家的忍讓，是希望可以凝聚共識、一起共事。
However it had never occurred to us that every time we took a step backward they would just push forward . If we gave them an inch they would take a mile with no consideration for our tolerance in the hope of reaching a consensus and working together
因此，我覺得這次我們真的不能再退讓了。
Hence I think this time around we really cannot step back again
我們已看到一個慘烈的結果其實我也對此感到可惜今屆有兩名當選議員因為看到之前有議員可以在宣誓時"加料"，他們便有樣學樣，而且"加多一些"，使用冒犯國家和民族的言詞宣誓，結果怎樣呢？
We have already witnessed a tragic result―I actually feel sorry about it―in this term two elected Members having noted that some Members could add extra materials during oath - taking before did similar acts . Moreover they added something more using words offensive to the country and the nation in their oaths . What happened in the end?
他們引火自焚，因為大家不再包庇他們，因而被裁定喪失議席。
They had drawn fire on themselves . Since Members stopped harbouring them a court judgment was handed down to disqualify them from office
有時候，太過縱容便可能會害了大家。
Sometimes excessive tolerance may do us harm
正如我剛才所說，雖然有同事認為這件事並不嚴重，但我相信大家也聽過"勿以惡小而為之，勿以善小而不為"。
As I said just now although some Honourable colleagues do not think this is a serious issue I believe Members must have heard of the following saying Do not think any vice trivial and so practise it; do not think any virtue trivial and so neglect it
代理主席，不承認自己是中國人、不尊重自己的國家中國、不尊重莊嚴的香港立法會，便不應該擔任中華人民共和國香港特別行政區的立法會議員，我相信這是很多香港市民的共識。
Deputy President one who denies his Chinese identity disrespects his own country―China and disrespects the solemn Legislative Council of Hong Kong should not hold office as a Member of the Legislative Council of the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region of the Peoples Republic of China . This I think is a consensus shared by many people of Hong Kong
鄭松泰議員在今年10月19日，在議事廳將多位議員席前的多枝國旗和區旗倒插兩次，這些行為就是不尊重國家、不尊重香港、不尊重立法會，是行為不檢；侮辱國家、侮辱立法會的人，就不應該擔任中華人民共和國香港特別行政區的立法會議員。
On 19 October this year Dr CHENG Chung - tai twice inverted a number of national flags and regional flags placed on the desks of a number of Members in this Chamber . Such behaviour precisely amounted to disrespect for the country disrespect for Hong Kong disrespect for the Legislative Council and misbehaviour . One who insults the country and the Legislative Council should not hold the office of a Member of the Legislative Council of the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region of the Peoples Republic of China
所以，代理主席，我反對陳志全議員"不得就謝偉俊議員動議的譴責議案再採取任何行動"的議案，而支持謝偉俊議員譴責鄭松泰議員的議案。
Therefore Deputy President I oppose Mr CHAN Chi - chuens motion that no further action shall be taken on the censure motion moved by Mr Paul TSE but support the motion proposed by Mr Paul TSE to censure Dr CHENG Chung - tai
陳志全議員發言時用了一連串的四字詞語來形容謝偉俊議員的議案，他說這是小事化大、小題大做、上綱上線、假大空，又說議案誇大了鄭松泰議員的行為。
In his speech Mr CHAN Chi - chuen used a series of expressions to describe Mr Paul TSEs motion . He said that it is making a mountain out of a molehill that it is a storm in a teacup and escalating the issue to the political plane and that it is false big and empty adding that the motion has exaggerated Dr CHENG Chung - tais behaviour
代理主席，我相信只有不尊重國家的人才會認為國旗是小事。
Deputy President I think only people who disrespect the country would consider the national flag a trivial issue
我們所有人也知道，國旗代表國家的尊嚴，怎會是小事呢？
As we all know the national flag represents national dignity so how can it be a trivial issue?
辱國是大事大非的問題，又何來小題大做呢？
Insulting the country is a matter involving major principles so how can it be a storm in a teacup?
侮辱國家的尊嚴，茲事體大。
Insulting national dignity is a matter of enormous import
在立法會工作，怎可以視之為玩意呢？
How can our work in the Legislative Council be taken as a game?
所以，陳志全議員說這是偽命題、假指控，我認為他所說的才是偽命題和假指控，因為我們今天處理這項由謝偉俊議員提出的議案，陳志全議員提出反對才是不合情、不合理，反而謝偉俊議員的議案才是合情合理。
So Mr CHAN Chi - chuen said that it is a false proposition and a false allegation but I think what he said is a false proposition and a false allegation . It is because concerning this motion proposed by Mr Paul TSE for our discussion today it is insensible and unreasonable of Mr CHAN Chi - chuen to raise objection to it whereas Mr Paul TSEs motion is sensible and reasonable
代理主席，說得出，便要做得到。
Deputy President one should walk his talk
既然鄭松泰議員經常這樣說話，而他在立法會又做得出，為甚麼害怕承認呢？
Since Dr CHENG Chung - tai often makes these remarks and he did put his words into action in the Legislative Council why should he be afraid of admitting to it?
與很多泛民的議員一樣，大家均未曾聽過鄭松泰議員解釋他的動機為何、他的行為代表甚麼意思、為甚麼他要這樣做，因此，為甚麼他們不支持謝偉俊議員的議案，成立調查委員會，讓鄭松泰議員說清楚？
Like many pan - democrat Members we have yet heard Dr CHENG Chung - tai explain his motive or what his behaviour meant and why he had to do it . Such being the case why do they not support Mr Paul TSEs motion so that an investigation committee can be set up for Dr CHENG Chung - tai to explain his case clearly?
他經常公開鼓吹"港獨"，不是現在才說，他亦曾說香港不屬於中國、自己不是中國人，以及香港要建國。
He often publicly advocates Hong Kong independence so he does not champion it only now . He also once said that Hong Kong does not belong to China that he is not Chinese and that Hong Kong should become a nation
其實，很多市民在這段期間都對我說，他們擔心有這種行為的人任職教師只會誤人子弟。
In fact many members of the public have in this period of time conveyed to me their worries that if people behaving in such a way are teachers they would only do harm to the young generation
有這種行為和想法的人擔任議員，是否也會誤了香港呢？
If people with this kind of behaviour and way of thinking take up office as Members of the Legislative Council would they not also do harm to Hong Kong?
鄭松泰議員當選議員後曾經揚言會在立法會上提出中港區隔的議案。
After being elected a Member of this Council Dr CHENG Chung - tai threatened to propose a motion on the separation of Hong Kong and China in the Legislative Council
雖然他在立法會宣誓的儀式中的確讀完整篇誓詞，但其實他加插了全民制憲、重新立約等口號。
Even though he did read out the full version of the oath at the swearing - in ceremony of the Legislative Council he actually added such slogans as devising constitution by all people making new covenant
我們都知道這些口號根本是搞"港獨"，根本是"港獨"的實際操作。
We all know that these slogans actually serve to promote Hong Kong independence and are indeed the actual operation of Hong Kong independence
鄭松泰議員當選前也多次承認要搞"港獨"。
Before his election Dr CHENG Chung - tai had time and again admitted that he is an advocate for Hong Kong independence
所以，我認為泛民反對派的議員今天或上次在內務委員會上盲目包庇鄭松泰議員的說法，全部都是強詞奪理、毫無道理。
Therefore I think the remarks made by Members in the opposition pan - democratic camp in an attempt to blindly shield Dr CHENG Chung - tai at this meeting or a previous meeting of the House Committee are all far - fetched arguments that could hardly hold water
正如周浩鼎議員所說，今次的議案辯論其實真的是一面照妖鏡，可以照出哪位議員並不尊重國家、不尊重議會，並非好像某些議員所說，指議案打開了一個缺口，以後議會便完全沒有尊嚴。
As Mr Holden CHOW said this motion debate is in fact a real demon - revealing mirror which can identify Members who disrespect the country and disrespect this Council . It is not true that the motion has as some Members have said breached a gap for this Council to be stripped of all its dignity in future
代理主席，不是真的擁護《基本法》、不是真誠效忠中華人民共和國香港特別行政區的人，便真的不應該擔任香港立法會議員，我相信很多市民均會認同這想法。
Deputy President people who do not genuinely uphold the Basic Law and who do not sincerely swear allegiance to the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region of the Peoples Republic of China really should not hold office as Members of the Legislative Council of Hong Kong . I believe many members of the public will share this view
所以，我希望泛民反對派的議員不要再盲目包庇，因為如果他們繼續盲目包庇鄭松泰議員，其實等於認同他的行為、認同他的理念，雖然他們不知道他的理念為何或他們說不知道他的理念為何。
Therefore I hope that Members in the opposition pan - democratic camp will cease to blindly shield Dr CHENG Chung - tai because if they continue to blindly shield him it is actually tantamount to approving of his behaviour and identifying with his beliefs though they do not know what his beliefs are or they claim that they do not know what his beliefs are
主席，何俊賢議員剛才說要效忠，其實每一位議員也宣誓效忠中華人民共和國香港特別行政區。
President just now Mr Steven HO mentioned allegiance . Actually every Member has pledged allegiance to the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region of the Peoples Republic of China
所以，當有人羞辱我們的國旗和區旗，我們一定要嚴斥，這不是我們應有之義嗎？
Therefore when someone insults our national and regional flags we must severely reprimand him . Is this not our due responsibility?
所以，我不明白為何謝偉俊議員動議譴責鄭松泰議員的議案，陳志全議員會出來"保"他呢？
So I do not understand why when Mr Paul TSE moved a censure motion against Dr CHENG Chung - tai Mr CHAN Chi - chuen would come forth to protect Dr CHENG Chung - tai?
事實上，會議廳內出現不當的行為，如果不及時制止，似乎會變成慣例。
In fact it seems that improper behaviour in the Chamber will become a common practice if it is not stopped promptly . Making additions to the oath in the past is an example
以前宣誓"加料"，便是一個例子，正因為以前宣誓時，有議員不斷"加料"，大家也放任不管，結果每一屆宣誓，也有議員"加料"，這樣便成為慣例，然後突然收緊慣例，便會有人問為何以前可以，今次不可以？
In the past some Members kept making additions when taking the oath and were let alone . As a result Members made additions to the oath every term and it became a common practice . When the common practice is tightened suddenly some will ask why it was allowed in the past but not now?
所以，有人倒插國旗和區旗，我們一定要嚴厲斥責。
Therefore we must severely reprimand the person who inverted the national and regional flags
如果有違法違規的地方，要立即處理。
Any breach of laws and regulations should be dealt with immediately
這是非常嚴重的問題，為何陳志全議員要反對呢？
This is a very serious matter why does Mr CHAN Chi - chuen oppose it?
另一個例子，是瘋狂"拉布"，不斷發言。
Another example is senseless filibusters and incessant delivery of speeches
以前，對於一些建議或修正案，我們也盡量容忍，結果又成為慣例，導致"拉布"成風。
In the past we tried to tolerate that when it came to some proposals or amendments . As a result filibusters became a common practice
所以，對於一些不當的行為，應該動議及時處理，我認為謝偉俊議員今次的做法非常正確。
Hence a motion should be moved to handle improper behaviour promptly . I reckon Mr Paul TSE has done the right thing this time
這件事本來相當中性，對於羞辱國旗和區旗的人，為何不能修理他呢？
Why can we not punish someone who insulted the national and regional flags?
所有泛民的朋友，從前是上一屆的前議員黃毓民一個人拖着整個泛民走，結果泛民變得很被動，今次是同樣的道理，鄭松泰議員一個人拖着整個泛民走。
All friends of the pan - democratic camp in the past former Member WONG Yuk - man dragged the entire pan - democratic camp along and the pan - democrats became very passive as a result . The same applies this time around for Dr CHENG Chung - tai is dragging the entire pan - democratic camp along
所以，我希望稍後投票時，大家要不離席，要不反對陳志全議員的議案，這樣才能表示大家效忠宣誓的對象。大家的宣誓是真確，而不是虛假的。
So when we vote later I hope Members will either leave the Chamber or vote against Mr CHAN Chi - chuens motion so as to show to whom we pledged allegiance that the pledge is truthful and not false
此外，鄭松泰議員批評謝偉俊議員，提出這項議案是政治審查，指他因為失落立法會主席一職，於是向梁君彥議員表示不滿。
Besides Dr CHENG Chung - tai criticized Mr Paul TSE saying that this motion is meant as political censorship and that since he lost the presidency of the Legislative Council he now shows his dissatisfaction to Mr Andrew LEUNG
所以，我認為這是"小學雞"之中的"小學雞"行為，他這種想法完全不明智。
Therefore I think this behaviour is the most puerile of the puerile . This idea of his is completely unwise
此外，朱凱廸議員在發言時將這種情況形容為打壓言論。
In addition Mr CHU Hoi - dick described this situation as suppression of freedom of speech
議員是由選民選出來的，沒錯......應該這樣說，議員是按照法例，按照規矩被選出來的。
It is true that Members are elected by voters it should be put this way Members are elected in accordance with the laws and regulations
議員進入議事廳後，應該按照法例要求，按照規矩，按照《議事規則》行事，這也是對的。
It is also true that Members should behave in accordance with the laws regulations and Rules of Procedure once they entered the Chamber
若有人違反《議事規則》行事，我們便應該處理了。
If someone violates the Rules of Procedure we should deal with it
為何不可以有議員動議議案處理？
Why can a Member not move a motion to deal with it?
我覺得這是完全扭曲了整個邏輯。
I think this is a complete distortion of the whole logic
區旗和國旗都有嚴厲的要求和法規，所有人看到那面旗都知道是國旗和區旗，所以完全不可能以言論自由被打壓來開脫，這是完全不符合現實的。
There are stringent requirements and regulations regarding the national and regional flags . Everyone knows those are national and regional flags when we see them hence it is definitely impossible to exculpate oneself by saying that this is suppression of freedom of speech . This is completely unrealistic
所以，我們希望及時制止這種行為，否則，我很擔心以後有人會"有樣學樣"，而且國旗和區旗受法律保護之餘，也象徵我們中國人民的身份，香港作為中國的一部分，應該尊重國旗和區旗，這與政治立場無關。
Therefore we hope to promptly put an end to such behaviour otherwise I am worried that others will follow suit . Besides not only are the national and regional flags protected by law they also represent our identity as the people of China . Hong Kong is a part of China so the national and regional flags should be respected
如果大家效忠的話，有人羞辱大家效忠的對象，為何不可以處理？
If Members do bear allegiance to those and if someone insulted a target to which Members bear allegiance why can we not pursue it?
此外，兩度倒插國旗，說這是"小學雞"行為就可以解決了嗎？
Moreover is inverting the national flag twice something that can be resolved simply by saying that it was a puerile act?
因此，我覺得一句"小學雞"並非擋箭牌，民意授權也非擋箭牌。
I think the word puerile is not a shield neither is the popular mandate
我希望藉着今次向全世界的人說，中國國旗不能胡亂侮辱。
I hope to tell the whole world through this incident that the national flag of China must not be insulted arbitrarily