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香港行政主導，權力在政府手上，立法會只擁有監察權，現時連監察權、調查權或處理申訴的權力也要被削弱不是削弱建制派的而是我們的權力。
Under an executive - led administration all the powers are vested in the hands of the Government while the Legislative Council has only the power to monitor
所以，這項修訂建議即使獲得通過，也不排除立法會可能要面對司法覆核或其他問題。
As a result even if this proposed amendment is passed we cannot rule out the possibility that the Legislative Council will be challenged by judicial review or confronted by other issues
這些全都是錯誤判斷，林鄭月娥的判斷與建制派議員的判斷是絕對錯誤的。
The judgment of Carrie LAM and pro - establishment Members is absolutely wrong
我相信他們硬要修改《議事規則》，將令議會及社會的撕裂更嚴重，彼此對立更強烈。
In my opinion their attempt to forcibly amend RoP will only intensify the division and opposition in the Council and in society
我相信修改《議事規則》後，立法會審議法案，或工務小組委員會要求財務委員會撥款，甚至人事編制小組委員會處理政府開 設的高官職位申請，所遇到的困難將會比以前更大。
I believe the Government will encounter much greater difficulties during the scrutiny of bills in the Council when the Public Works Subcommittee seeks funding allocation from the Finance Committee or when the Establishment Subcommittee handles the Governments applications for creation of posts of senior officials after the amendments to RoP . They are simply courting troubles as haste will only make waste
這可稱為"捉蟲"或欲速不達。過去很少泛民議員就無爭議的法案或附屬法例的修訂，要求成立法案委員會或小組委員會。
In the past pro - democracy Members have seldom requested the establishment of Bills Committees or subcommittees to scrutinize uncontroversial amendments to bills and subsidiary legislation
但是，如果今次建制派硬來，不幸地成功修改了《議事規則》，我相信將有政治後果，而絕非他們預計般，以為立法會將更快捷方便地通過所有政府的法案及工程撥款申請。
However if the pro - establishment camp succeeds in forcing through the amendments to RoP this time I believe there will be political consequences in that all Government bills and public works funding applications will not be passed as quickly and easily as they expected
我相信車輛只會走得更慢而不是更快，這樣又何必呢？
I believe the car will only run slower not faster so what is the point?
我本身不是議事規則委員會的委員，沒有機會見證究竟《議事規則》的修訂建議有否經過合理的程序及充分的辯論。
I am not a member of the Committee on Rules of Procedure so I have not had the opportunity to witness whether the amendments to RoP have gone through a due process and have been sufficiently debated
然而，我的同事告訴我，他們參與議事規則委員會感到的就只有"失望"兩個字，以及另外的兩個字，就是"憤怒"。
However my colleagues have told me that their experience in the Committee on Rules of Procedure could only be described as disappointing and infuriating
沒有經過充分的論辯，沒有得到各方的共識，建制派強行通過《議事規則》的修訂建議，絕對不是香港之福。
This forcing through of the proposed amendments to RoP by the pro - establishment camp without sufficient debate and the consensus of all parties will by no means serve the interest of Hong Kong
現時我們會議的安排屬前所未見，主席，你為了要在聖誕節前通過這項修改《議事規則》的議案，不惜決定在今天、明天、後天、大後天，即周三、四、五、六基本上是整天開會。
President in order to have the proposed resolutions on amending RoP passed before the Christmas holidays you decided to have this Council sitting today tomorrow the next day as well as the day after meaning basically meeting full - day on Wednesday Thursday Friday and Saturday
主席，假如下周一續會，將有4個事務委員會的會議受影響，其中之一是由我主持的兒童權利小組委員會。
President if the Council meeting resumes next Monday the meetings of four panels or subcommittees will be affected including that of the Subcommittee on Childrens Rights which is chaired by myself
我們的小組委員會這次安排了公聽會，邀得逾40位公眾人士和團體參加，就他們關注的幼兒照顧服務相關事宜表達意見。
Our Subcommittee has arranged for a public hearing at the meeting next Monday having invited over 40 members of the public and bodies to participate and express their views on issues related to child care services that are of concern to them
因為在2018年第一季，政府便會公布由香港大學進行，有關幼兒照顧服務規劃的顧問報告。
Because the Government will in the first quarter of 2018 publish a consultancy report on child care services planning by the University of Hong Kong
因此，主席，我認為我們完全沒必要這樣辯論修改《議事規則》議案。
I therefore find it completely unnecessary President for us to conduct the debate on amending RoP this way
你說你看不到我們辯論南京大屠殺80周年的迫切性，我也看不到修改《議事規則》的迫切性，在聖誕節前修改與在聖誕節後修改有何分別？
You said you did not see any urgency for us to conduct a debate commemorating the 80 anniversary of the Nanking Massacre . I too fail to see the urgency for amending RoP and the difference between doing so before and after the Christmas holidays
我要求張超雄議員作出澄清。
I request an elucidation by Dr Fernando CHEUNG
我想張超雄議員盡快作出澄清，他剛才一開始便明言這項中止待續的議案非常迫切，但他後來又說他的兒童權利小組委員會會議同樣迫切。
The point I wish Dr Fernando CHEUNG to elucidate as soon as possible is that while stressing the extreme urgency of this adjournment motion at the outset he then said the meeting of the Subcommittee on Childrens Rights was equally urgent
主席，我簡單作出澄清。
President I will give a brief elucidation
我剛才說楊岳橋議員根據《議事規則》第401條提出的中止待續議案有迫切性，因為如果我們不及早中止修改《議事規則》議案的辯論，便會影響下周一由我主持，討論有關幼兒照顧服務這項迫切議題的會議。
I said just now that I found the adjournment motion moved by Mr Alvin YEUNG under RoP 401 a matter of urgency for if we did not adjourn the debate on amending RoP the meeting chaired by myself at which the urgent issue of child care services would be discussed would be affected
我剛才解釋了會議何故迫切，就是因為按政府的時間表，相關服務的檢討須於2018年第一季前完成。
As I explained just now the meeting is urgent because according to the Governments timetable the review of those services must be completed by the first quarter of 2018
我的邏輯是很清楚的。
My logic is very clear
如果不及早中止這項修改《議事規則》議案的辯論，我們就得跟從主席你的安排，以致就一項迫切民生議題的討論受到影響，無法在本會透過討論和制訂政策的過程改善幼兒照顧服務。
If this debate on amending RoP is not stopped as soon as possible we will have to follow the arrangements set out by you President and this will affect a discussion on an urgent issue concerning peoples livelihood and render our Council unable to improve child care services through the process of discussion and policy formulation
因此，主席，我實在不明白你為何作出如此安排。
For this reason President I really do not understand why you should make such arrangements
而且，主席，剛才有數位議員提出，有關《議事規則》的修訂會否違反《基本法》？
Moreover President a number of Members raised just now the question of whether or not the amendments to RoP contravene the Basic Law
這是很重要也很根本的問題。
It is an issue which is both important and fundamental
如果違反《基本法》，我們今天在這裏進行辯論，的確有可能帶來憲制危機。
If the amendments contravene the Basic Law a constitutional crisis could indeed be triggered by our debate here today
然而，可別忘記，建制派最初提出把立法會會議的法定人數由一半降低時，你確曾對外徵詢兩位資深大律師的意見，他們的意見是這些修訂的確會違反《基本法》。
However we should bear in mind that when Members of the pro - establishment camp initially proposed to lower the quorum of the Council from one half you actually consulted two external senior counsel who both formed the opinion that those amendments would indeed contravene the Basic Law
所以，為何如此迫切，要在今天、在聖誕節前盡快通過一些法律上有爭議且可能抵觸《基本法》的《議事規則》修訂？
So what is so urgent that we have to pass as soon as possible a number amendments to RoP that are controversial in law and may contravene the Basic Law today before the Christmas holidays?
今次《議事規則》的修訂的確不成熟，在這個階段也完全沒有迫切性。
The amendment of RoP is indeed premature and there is no urgency whatsoever to do so at this stage
但很可惜，我看到的似乎不是這樣。
Much to my regret however this seems not to be the case from what I have seen
所以，在這一點上，如果因為今次的決定或安排，最終我希望這件事不會發生，但極可能發生可能有人訴諸法庭。我不知道法庭及司法制度將如何處理這次修改《議事規則》的事件，如果有人提出法律挑戰，最終要法庭裁決，亦會令法庭很為難。
That is why on this count if the decisions or arrangements of this meeting ultimately―I hope it will not happen but is highly likely―lead someone to take the case to court I have no idea how the Court and the legal system will handle this issue of amending RoP . The Court will also be placed in a difficult position having to hand down an ultimate ruling in the event of a legal challenge
以往最少有兩宗司法覆核，均針對主席或財務委員會主席在主持會議時有否違反《基本法》。
There were at least two cases of judicial review in the past both of which being directed at the President of the Council or the Chairman of the Finance Committee for their suspected violations of the Basic Law when presiding over meetings
屆時你"老人家"及建制派議員會多麼尷尬。
How embarrassing it will be for your goodself and Members of the pro - establishment camp
利用一個"百年一遇的機會"去修改我們的基本遊戲規則，是否太過急功近利？
Is it not too opportunistic and vile for you to seize on this once - in - a - century opportunity and amend the basic rules of the game?
主席，我們的議會發展至今時今日，法案均須經過首讀、二讀及三讀，法案提出後要通過事務委員會，再通過法案委員會，經過詳細審議及各個階段才提交本會，經議員辯論後作出表決。
As a result of the development of the Council to date President a bill now has to go through the First Second and Third Readings being subjected to detailed scrutiny at different stages after submission first by the relevant panel and then by a Bills Committee before making its way to the Council and being voted upon after a debate by Members
這些程序背後有其智慧，是前人累積下來的數百年經驗，不是簡單的議會程序。
Backed by wisdom born out of centuries of experience accumulated by our predecessors these proceedings are no simple matters
主席，我剛才說到，《議事規則》中很多程序是前人多年經驗累積的成果，背後意義在於議會需要有程序及制衡，亦要提供機會讓不同聲音表達意見，作出各方面的考慮。
President I pointed out just now that many procedures of RoP are the fruits of years of experience accumulated by our predecessors with the underlying meaning that the Council needs procedures as well as checks and balances . It is also necessary for the Council to provide opportunities for different quarters to make their voices heard and to consider matters in various perspectives . Power tends to corrupt as the old saying goes
如果每件事都只求效率，全世界最有效率的政治制度便是獨裁和帝制，皇帝說的話便是法律，他的聖旨必定要實施，所有事情無須討論，立即實行，這樣最有效率。
If efficiency is all that matters in everything the most efficient political systems of the whole world would be autocracy and monarchy . These systems are indeed most efficient as the words of an emperor equate laws and his imperial decrees necessitate immediate enforcement leaving no room for discussion on all matters
但是，有效率不等於好，不等於公平，不等於每個人和不同持份者也信服，最終只會引起衝突和混亂。
However these systems though efficient are not the same as those that are superior fair and command the trust and respect of everyone and different stakeholders and will ultimately lead only to conflicts and chaos
此所以世上的獨裁政體往往也因為戰爭而崩解，如果由另一個獨裁體制掌權，衝突又周而復始。
That is why most autocracies in the world often collapse in wars . And the cycle of conflicts continues if an autocracy is replaced by another
我們過去3次提出呈請書所為何事？
For what purposes did we petition on the last three occasions?
把呈請書門檻提升至35人，意味你們擁有否決權，立法會日後將難以成立專責委員會調查貪官、超支和制度上的缺失。
Raising the threshold of petition to 35 Members means placing a veto into your hands and making it difficult for the Legislative Council to through the formation of select committees investigate corrupt officials cost overruns and institutional flaws
修改《議事規則》令議會失去監察政府的能力，難道就是保皇黨的終極責任？
Is it the ultimate mission for the pro - Government Members to strip this Council of its power to monitor the Government through the amendment of RoP?
所 有事情盡快通過，不作討論；調查一概不准；主席大權在握，橫行霸道，難道就是你們解決香港問題的方法嗎？
Is this your solution to the problems of Hong Kong by pushing through the passage of every government proposal without discussion allowing no investigations and placing tyrannical powers in the hands of the President?
主席，我支持楊岳橋議員根據《議事規則》第401條，動議"現即將根據《中華人民共和國香港特別行政區基本法》第七十五條動議的擬議決議案的辯論中止待續"的議案。
President I support the motion moved by Mr Alvin YEUNG under RoP 401 that the debate on the proposed resolutions under article 75 of the Basic Law of the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region of the Peoples Republic of China be now adjourned
我想說的是一個黨派也可以出現如此大的鴻溝，就像一隻初出茅廬的小鳥，現在已長出羽毛，在跑道上飛奔繼而起飛。
I wish to point out that even such a huge divide could emerge within a political party . Like a fledgling bird which is now covered with feathers the Honourable Member was running like mad on the runway before taking off
有興趣的同事可以翻閱《議事規則》第20條關於呈請書的提交的修訂條文，議員可以看清楚當中的字眼。
Colleagues who are interested may look up RoP 20 regarding the amended provision on presentation of petitions . Members may examine the wording therein clearly
主席，我們必須停一停、想一想。
President we must pause for a while and think
即使主席不想花這麼長時間辯論此事，但你有沒有考慮過即使不讓每名議員發言15分鐘，也可以給每名議員1分鐘時間表達意見，然後起碼進行投票程序，這樣做也可能只是耽誤1小時左右的時間，但議員卻可以藉此在今天這個值得我其實認為不值得，因為不應出現這樣的一個紀念日的日子表態。
Even if the President does not wish to spend such a long time on debating this matter has he considered giving each Member one minute instead of 15 minutes to express their views and then at least completing the voting procedure? . Although this Council might be delayed for an hour as a result Members can at least make their position known on this day of remembrance―actually I do not consider it worthwhile to mark the occasion as such a day of remembrance should not have occurred
主席，假如相差一兩小時，會否導致不能進行表決呢？
President will a delay of one or two hours prevent the voting from being conducted?
我相信主席心中有數，修改《議事規則》是否必須在下星期一進行表決。
I believe the President knows in his mind whether Members must vote on amending RoP next Monday
其實，你的裁決已經決定一切，因為你表明一天不表決，一天不會結束會議。
Actually your ruling has determined everything as you made it clear that the meeting would not be concluded so long as the voting is not conducted
如果議員是上班人士，你這樣做可能違反勞工條例。
If Members were workers the President might contravene labour laws if for instance he told his employees they could go off duty only after washing all the dishes
議員完全沒有時間進行討論。
Members have absolutely no time for discussion
所以，這是我反對繼續進行辯論，支持這項中止待續議案的原因。
This is the reason why I oppose the continuation of the debate and support this adjournment motion
議員努力經營多年，無論是自己的形象還是支持度，不應這樣"一鋪清袋"。
Having working so hard for many years the image or popularity of Members should not be shattered in one go like this
我當天也在場看得一清二楚，事實並非如此。
I saw everything clearly as I was on the scene at that time and that was not the case
所以，我覺得這些言詞很有問題......
Hence I find the remark very problematic
葛議員，如你對譚議員的發言有意見，你可於稍後發言時表達。
Dr Elizabeth QUAT if you take exception to Mr TAMs remark you may express your views when you speak later on
我明白你提出的規程問題，請先坐下。
I understand the point of order you have raised so please sit down
如果議員擬回應其他議員的發言內容，可先按下"要求發言"按鈕，稍後輪到他發言時才回應。
Members who wish to respond to the speech of another Member will please press the Request to speak button and do so when it comes to their turn to speak
我希望你稍後發言時注意用詞。
Please be mindful of the choice of words in your speech later
我留意到該段表述屬於譚議員發言內容的一部分，我不察覺當中有冒犯性的言詞。
I noticed that the account given by Mr TAM was a part of his speech in which I was not aware of any offensive language
我希望議員不要以冒犯其他議員作為發言的目標，否則本會難以繼續進行辯論。
I hope Members will not speak for the purpose of offending other Members otherwise it would be difficult for the debate to continue
謝議員，請你澄清。
Mr TSE please clarify it
我十分認同謝偉俊議員，我認為代理主席須作裁決，並澄清譚文豪議員剛才所說的是否事實。
I very much agree with Mr Paul TSE that the Deputy President must make a ruling and clarify whether what Mr Jeremy TAM said was true
我作為當事人，當時已大聲喝止謝偉俊議員別碰我的物件，而他則用手推開我手持的紙牌，並用身軀撞向我、壓向我，所以譚文豪議員的描述是非常正確的......
As an involved party I shouted at Mr Paul TSE at the time to stop him from touching my object while he pushed away by hand the placard that I was holding and bumped and pressed against me with his body so the description made by Mr Jeremy TAM was very accurate
你所提述的並非規程問題，請坐下。
What you have mentioned is not a point of order . Please sit down
代理主席，表面上我們正在討論《議事規則》的問題，但我相信，實際上我們正在討論"一國兩制"的問題。
Deputy President on the surface we are discussing the Rules of Procedure RoP but I believe we are actually discussing one country two systems
首先，我表示支持這項中止待續議案，原因如下。
First of all I support this adjournment motion for the following reasons
去年差不多這個時間，在12月某天，我們得悉梁振英不尋求連任特首，其原因已不重要，一般相信中央政府不想他繼續當特首，為甚麼？
At about this time last year on a certain day in December we were informed of LEUNG Chun - yings decision to not seek re - election as the Chief Executive for reasons that are no longer important . The general belief was that the Central Government did not want him to continue to hold the Chief Executive office . Why?
最低限度大家期望香港社會有機會重回正軌，將過去數年的撕裂逐漸修補，當時大家抱有希望。
It was hoped at the time that Hong Kong society will at least have the opportunity to get back onto the right track and the dissension of the past few years would be mended gradually
最近曾鈺成十分高調，撰寫了多篇文章，其中一篇特別針對現任主席對《議事規則》的言論。
Recently Jasper TSANG has assumed a high profile . He has written several articles and one of them specifically responded to the remarks made by the incumbent President on RoP
"一國兩制"的初心，是希望告訴台灣同胞，香港有"一國兩制"的保障，反對派有權反對惡法，兼且以"拉布"抗拒惡法。
The original intention of one country two systems is to tell Taiwan compatriots that Hong Kong is under the protection of one country two systems that the opposition camp has the right to oppose and resist draconian laws through filibustering
《基本法》十分重要，《基本法》面對全世界，令全世界相信香港有不同的制度。
The Basic Law is very important as it faces up to the world and makes the world believe that Hong Kong is practising a different system
我不知道究竟......
I wonder whether
如果大家翻看內務委員會的文件和我們手上的其他文件，會看到一張很罕有的供參考的橫列表，載列獲批准提出的修訂，還有一些建議重點，供議員參閱。
If we look at the documents of the House Committee and the other ones in our hands we will see a rare list for reference . It sets out the amendments ruled admissible together with some salient points suggested for Members information
正如剛才多位議員所說，這是千載難逢的機會，他們決定提出修訂，而完成之後，議會當然會大為不同。
As mentioned by various Members just now given this golden opportunity they decided to propose an amendment exercise . After it is completed the Council will certainly become vastly different
我第一次擔任議員是在2008年，我看到席上有很多可能比2008年更早進入議會的議員，我相信大家都看到議會文化正在轉變，但有些事情是否真的令人無法接受？
I first served as a Member in 2008 . I see that many Members present may have joined the Council earlier than 2008 . I believe all of us have noticed that the culture of the Council is changing
我希望大家明白，大家都是成年人，有時候玩遊戲玩到這個地步，最少也要讓人看到球賽是公道地進行的，對嗎？
But there is something really unacceptable is there not? . I hope Members will understand that we are all adults . Sometimes when the game has reached such a state at least we should let people see that the match is played out in a level playing field right?
我今天不會特別就全體委員會法定人數的改變的相關法律意見發言，我反而想談論呈請書，因為在我之前發言的是林卓廷議員，大家都知道，他就着UGL事件及梁振英先生之前的所作所為，一直很着緊地跟進。
Today I am not going to particularly speak on the relevant legal opinion on changing the quorum of a committee of the whole Council . Instead I wish to talk about petitions since the one who spoke before me is Mr LAM Cheuk - ting . As we all know he has been following up the UGL incident and Mr LEUNG Chun - yings earlier conduct closely
但大家知道，呈請書能夠做到的，只是成立專責委員會，是退而求其次的一個項目或平台，讓大家跟進事件。
Yet we all know that what a petition can do is merely the formation of a select committee . It is a second best means or platform for us to follow up an issue
我今天坐在這裏，看到譚文豪議員和郭家麒議員提交可以說是末代，甚至可能是修改《議事規則》前最後一次只需20名議員支持便可生效的呈請書時，是有點感慨的。
Sitting here today watching Mr Jeremy TAM and Dr KWOK Ka - ki present a petition which may be the final or even the last one requiring only the support of 20 Members before RoP is amended I felt a bit distressed
當然，曾有議員提交呈請書以成立不同的專責委員會，但無法引用《條例》賦予的權力要求證人作證，其實可說是已被斬去手腳，但我們最少仍有一個平台。
Certainly some Members have presented petitions to set up different select committees but we are unable to invoke the power vested by the Ordinance to request any witness to testify . It can actually be said that our hands are tied but at least we still have a platform
我感到最欷歔的是，今天竟要把這門檻提高至35人。
What I find most saddening is that today this threshold is to be raised to 35 Members
主席，我亦不想說太多，因為一個議會要把規則改成這樣，實在令人相當欷歔。
President I do not wish to dwell on it because it is indeed most saddening for the Council to change the rules in such a way
以我為例，我是環境事務委員會主席，我們的例會當然被調動了。
Take me as an example . I am the Chairman of the Panel on Environmental Affairs . Our regular meeting has of course been rescheduled
我相信，歷史自會記錄今天投票的一刻。
I believe the very moment of todays voting will be recorded in history
或許有人會互相猜忌，你不是君子，我也不是君子，既然你不是君子，我又何需當君子等，但我希望大家想一想，我們不要讓劣幣驅逐良幣，我也希望我亦仍然相信所有人的心中應該仍有少許作為君子的風度和氣量。
Some people may be suspicious of each other thinking neither you nor I am virtuous and since you are not virtuous why do I need to be so something like that . Yet I hope we will come to think about it . We should not let bad money drive out the good
代理主席，我剛才說到，修改《議事規則》會把明明代表大多數市民進入議會、卻變成少數派的議員根據《議事規則》抗拒惡法的權力剝奪，而這是違反"一國兩制"的初心。
Deputy President I was saying that the amendment of RoP contravenes the original intention of one country two systems in that they take away the power of minority Members who actually represent the majority public to resist draconian laws under RoP
立法會主席聘請的兩位外界法律顧問，均指修訂違反《基本法》。
The two external counsel engaged by the President have both indicated that the amendment was in breach of the Basic Law
我覺得我們必須認真研究修訂是否違憲。
I believe a serious study on the constitutionality of the amendment is a must
如果這項修訂的影響並非那麼大，卻有機會違反憲法、《基本法》，以及習近平說的依憲或依法治國，我相信建制派同事也要很小心考慮，尤其是提出修訂的建制派廖長江議員，我認為他須要承擔的責任較其他人更大。
If the amendment does not matter so much and may contravene the constitution the Basic Law and constitution - based governance or the rule of law mentioned by XI Jinping I believe Honourable colleagues in the pro - establishment camp must give careful consideration to it in particular Mr Martin LIAO of the pro - establishment camp who proposed the amendment as I think he should assume a greater responsibility than the others
主席，我們認為對《議事規則》的修訂確實存在違反"一國兩制"或違憲等重大的問題。
President we hold that the amendments to RoP really involve major problems of violating one country two systems or unconstitutionality
從政治的角度，何以要中止這項辯論呢？
From the political perspective why should this debate be adjourned?
因為香港經歷了梁振英數年的管治後，對"一國兩制"的信心已經大大降低。
Because peoples confidence in one country two systems has significantly weakened after LEUNG Chun - yings governance in the past years
我們這些傳統民主派或溫和民主派義無反顧地相信"一國兩制"是對香港最好的出路，我們不相信"港獨"是正確的。
We the traditional democrats or the moderate democrats have no hesitation in believing that one country two systems is the best way out for Hong Kong . We do not believe Hong Kong independence is the right path
然而，越來越多香港人，不只年青人，對"一國兩制"的信心減弱。
Nevertheless more and more Hong Kong people and not limited to young people have become less confident in one country two systems
如果連代表市民和民意進入議會、在選舉中獲大多數選票的民主派議員，也不能擁有權力根據《議事規則》否決一些我們認為嚴重影響市民的惡法，我覺得建制派這次的做法只會助長"港獨"的氣勢，只會增加香港人對中央的離心，只會令中央將來要解結更為困難，我希望各位建制派同事三思。
If the pro - democracy Members elected by a majority of votes who represent public opinion are stripped of the power under RoP to veto draconian laws that in our view will seriously affect the public we believe this act of the pro - establishment camp will only foster the air of Hong Kong independence and the disloyalty of Hong Kong people towards the Central Government making the knot more difficult to untie in the future . I hope Honourable colleagues in the pro - establishment camp will think twice
我發言支持楊岳橋議員提出的中止待續議案。
I rise to speak in support of the adjournment motion proposed by Mr Alvin YEUNG
我認為，如此龐大地修改《議事規則》，並涉及如此嚴肅和認真的話題，只安排每位議員發言15分鐘後便作決定，是侮辱我們每一位議員、侮辱我們的議會、侮辱每一名香港人和整個香港社會。
In my view given such extensive amendments to the Rules of Procedure RoP involving such a grave and serious subject the arrangement for each Member to speak for only 15 minutes before making the decision is an insult to each and every Member to this Council of ours to every Hongkonger and the entire Hong Kong society
粗淺地理解，我們現正討論或將會討論的《議事規則》的修訂，涉及我們手上這本《議事規則》，當中包括93項條文和兩個附表，而這49項修訂涉及的篇幅，可能佔整份《議事規則》的三分之一以上。
To my rough understanding the amendments to RoP which we are now discussing or going to discuss concern this book called RoP in our hand comprising 93 rules and two schedules and these 49 amendments may cover more than one third of the whole RoP
這本小冊子、這本所謂會議常規，影響所及的不止是現時700萬名香港人，可能是日後每一代香港人。
This small book containing the so - called standing orders affects not only the existing 7 million Hongkongers . It may affect each and every generation of Hongkongers in future
所以，其影響深遠，當中可能 會導致一些我們無法估量的嚴重後果，並非我們現在透過每一位議員發言15分鐘的辯論，便能夠說得清楚明白。
Therefore given the profound impact it may lead to unfathomable severe consequences which cannot be made clear through our present debate in which each Member can speak for just 15 minutes . This is such a simple truth
這道理是如此粗淺，讓我作一個比喻，如果大學學生會討論要修改其所謂的規章，只讓每名成員討論15分鐘便可修改，此事連大學生也會覺得荒謬，更何況這裏是影響700萬名香港人的立法會，是我們香港的議會。
Let me draw an analogy . If the student union of a university holds a discussion about amending its so - called constitution and only allows each member to speak for 15 minutes before making such amendments even the university students will find this ridiculous not to mention that this is the Legislative Council affecting 7 million Hongkongers . It is our legislature in Hong Kong
與此同時，我想指出為何我們接着討論的49項修訂在會議規程上並不合理，以及為何我們要抱持如此嚴肅的態度來考量。
At the same time I wish to point out why the 49 amendments in our following discussion are unreasonable according to the rules of order and why we should make consideration with such a grave attitude