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怎樣向學生提供最適合的教育？
How can we provide the most suitable education to students?
主席，我今天出席會議前曾到幼稚園見老師，因為我太太沒空，所以由我出席。
President I went to my sons kindergarten to meet his teacher before attending this meeting today . My wife was busy and so I attended the meeting
我的兒子也被老師批評坐不住，經常帶領其他小朋友在班房內走來走去，需要老師特別照顧。
The teacher commented that my son could not sit still . He often led other students to walk round the classroom and required special attention from the teacher
在同一班同學之中，有很多小朋友很乖，會坐下來聽老師教導，但總有幾個，包括我兒子在內，會坐不住。
Many children in the same class are very obedient and they will sit down and listen to what the teacher says but a few others including my son will not sit still
不過，他在其他方面完全沒問題，他的動手能力和聽故事能力也不錯。
However my son does not have any problem in other aspects . He is skilled with his hands and can listen to stories quite well
即使我們現時推廣STEM教育，但STEM教育純屬輔助性質，令學生更廣泛了解不同的科技及技能，不容許中英數等基本理論知識佔據所有上課時間。
Although the Government is promoting STEM education it is only supplementary in nature . STEM education enables students to acquire a wider scope of knowledge of various kinds of technology and skills . It prevents teaching of the basic theoretical subjects such as Chinese Language English Language and Mathematics to take up all of the teaching hours
在現時制度下，學校教導家長應如何教導子女。
Under the current system schools will teach parents how to teach their children
當然，我知道在這個議事堂內，我們受到一定的法例保障，令我們可以暢所欲言，可以為市民發聲。
I of course know that while inside this Council we are entitled to a degree of legal protection which allows us to speak freely and to voice the views of the people
如果在這個議事堂內，真的發生觸犯法例的事件，一樣需要處理，一樣需要警方介入。
If any illegal incident really happens in this Council it should be handled and intervened by the Police
這不是我們在一個可以暢所欲言的議事堂應該看到的事。
This should not happen in a Council of free speech
我們的議事堂應該是說道理的，無論政府說的話是對或錯，大家都要講道理、給意見、透過表決來處理事件，而不應有這麼多肢體衝突，導致有人受傷，還說這是和平事件。
Our Council should be a place where arguments are backed by reasons . No matter what the Government says is right or wrong we should explain our cases with reasons offer advice and decide matters by votes . All these physical assault and injuries are uncalled for let alone described as a peaceful incident
這個真的不是我們熟悉的議事堂。
This really is not the Council we are familiar with
首先，我希望局長今天用心聆聽議員同事的意見。
First of all I hope the Secretary will listen attentively to fellow Members opinions today
事實上，我相信大家都對你有所期望，覺得你一定會做得比吳克儉好，於是更加希望你聆聽我們現時在議會所提出的關注事項。
In fact I believe that everyone has an expectation on you and think that you will definitely do a better job than Eddie NG . Therefore everyone is even more hopeful that you will listen to the matters of concern we raise here at this Council
現時，學校、家長和學生等都面對很大的壓力。
At present schools parents and students are all under great pressure
這一代學生真的很苦。
Students of this generation really suffer
書讀不好，是否便失去了追求夢想的入場券呢？
Does it mean one will lose his admission ticket for the pursuit of dreams if his academic performance is poor?
我相信局長有留意，有組織曾進行調查，發現有51.5%的受訪學生呈現不同程度的抑鬱症狀。
I trust the Secretary notices that an organization has conducted a survey and found that 51.5 % of the responding students show symptoms of depression at different levels
這是一個很大的警號，讓我們了解如何能夠達到今天議案所說的"落實多元教育紓緩學生及家長壓力"。
This is a very big warning signal for us to understand how we may achieve Implementing diversified education to alleviate the pressure on students and parents proclaimed in the motion today
今天我想特別談論數項我近期關注的事情。
Today I would like to specifically talk about several issues of my recent concern
這些在外國的犯罪報告都有闡述。
All these have been illustrated in overseas reports of criminology
善良他們本身已有，但可否透過課本以外感受更多呢？
The benign nature is already with them; yet is it possible to let them feel more about kindness through a means beyond textbooks?
我當然寄望學校可以將動物正式納入課程內，教導學生生命寶貴，不要虐打、不要虐待，以及要照顧動物感受。
I certainly hope the school may formally include animal affairs into curriculum to teach students that life is precious so that they will not beat or torture animals with the feeling of animals in mind
我相信局長都略有所聞。
I believe the Secretary is aware of this too
現在業界有聲音表示，很擔心"一刀切"，以後由學校直接聘用言語治療師及使用其服務，這樣對於生存環境比較良好的言語治療師業界而言，他們可能會萎縮。
There are now voices of the sector saying they are worried about an across - the - board arrangement with which schools will directly hire their speech therapists for services thereafter . To the speech therapy sector which has a relatively better environment to survive such an arrangement may cause it to wither
我希望局長考慮一下，令選擇權在學校，讓他們有所選擇。
I hope the Secretary will consider this and allow schools to have the right to choose
香港有5個校區學生人數不足，導致有校長很擔憂，尤其是教育局今年可能有機會推行"復位"政策。
In Hong Kong there are five school districts with under - enrolment thus causing much worries of some school principals particularly when the Education Bureau might have the chance to introduce the place reinstating policy this year
在"復位"前，或者在這事的推動過程中，當局可否特別留意一下？
Would the authorities please pay particular attention to the situation before promoting place reinstatement or in the course of it?
其實未必全港18區都有這麼多學生。
There might not necessarily be so many students in each of all 18 districts across the territory
以往面對出生率低的時候，學校要求減少學生，以達致更高的教育質素，老師既不會壓力這麼大，學生亦能得到更好的照顧。
In the past when we faced the low birth rate schools were requested to cut the number of students for achieving better teaching quality . The teachers would not be so stressful while students could also receive better care
未來這5區面對收生不足的問題，校長們都希望局方能夠推動"以區本"的政策。
While these five districts will be facing the problem of under - enrolment ahead the school principals all hope that the Bureau can promote the district - oriented policy
記得數個月前，有一齣電影名為"大師兄"。
I recalled a movie titled Big Brother which was on several months ago
說到底，這一代的學生太苦，這一代的家長也太苦。
After all students of this generation suffer too badly and so do the parents
在這情況下，我們的政府可否貼心一點，制訂人性化的政策？
Under such circumstances can our Government be a bit more caring and formulate some human - based policies?
代理主席，我緊接區諾軒議員發言，他和我去年曾代表立法會一同前往英國議會交流，體驗當地悠久歷史傳承下來的議會文化，獲益良多。
Deputy President it is my turn to speak right after Mr AU Nok - hin . Last year he and I as members of the delegation of the Legislative Council went on a fruitful exchange visit to the British Parliament to experience its long parliamentary culture passed down through history
我認為香港亦非奉行三權分立，而是三權互相制衡，獨立運作。
I think Hong Kong does not practise separation of powers either . Instead the three powers function separately with checks and balances among one another
制衡的其中一種方式當然是以法律制衡，而非靠"誰大誰惡誰正確"，因為香港是文明社會。
One of the ways to exercise checks and balances is certainly the statutory approach . There is no such thing as letting the most difficult boss have the final say given that Hong Kong is a civilized society
作為立法者，我們如何能捍衞自己或立法會整體的尊嚴呢？
As a lawmaker how can we defend our own dignity and that of the Legislative Council as a whole?
張超雄議員剛才已開宗明義表示要捍衞立法會的尊嚴，而我的發言亦正正要捍衞立法會的尊嚴。
Earlier on Dr Fernando CHEUNG declared at the outset that he had to defend the dignity of the Legislative Council and my speech also serves this very purpose
究竟我們追求的是眾多議員也欣賞的英式紳士、君子的議會文 化，還是要將立法會變為容納政治流氓、"做騷"、打打鬧鬧和無須說道理的地方？
Are we pursuing the British gentleman or nobleman style of parliamentary culture appreciated by the majority of Members or are we going to turn the Legislative Council into a hotbed of political hooligans imposters mayhem and tyranny?
為甚麼議員會有特權呢？
Why would Members be given privileges?
大家可以暢所欲言，知無不言，言無不盡，這一點很重要。
It is important that we can speak our mind laying all cards on the table without reservation
但這種言論自由是否包括動手動腳呢？
But does it mean that one can resort to physical violence with such freedom of speech?
說回今天的議案，其實源於就某些事件向立法會取證須請求立法會給予特別許可。
Coming back to the motion today it actually originates from the special leave to be sought from the Legislative Council to obtain evidence of certain incidents from it
今次律政司要就尹兆堅議員及林卓廷議員一案取證，主要須向立法會職員錄取口供等，故要取得立法會的許可。
On this occasion the Department of Justice DoJ has to obtain evidence regarding the case of Mr Andrew WAN and Mr LAM Cheuk - ting mainly seeking to take a statement etc . from the staff of the Legislative Council . Such leave of the Legislative Council is therefore required
我們確實有權拒絕律政司取證，但退一萬步來說，如果沒有《條例》，我們便有如一間公司，而所有議員均是董事。
We surely have the right to refuse the DoJs request to obtain evidence . But without the Ordinance our Council may be likened to a company in which all Members are directors to say the very least
當然，立法會有其特權，但這種特權能否隨便使用，又能否服眾呢？
Certainly the Legislative Council has its privileges but can it use such privileges casually with the public being convinced?
我相信市民看得十分清楚。
I believe members of the public will see it clearly
作為好市民，我們也應協助警方進行刑事調查，是大家應有的基本責任。
As a good citizen we should also assist the Police with their criminal investigation which is a primary responsibility rested with us
很多議員也說制度不合理，而梁君彥主席的裁決亦備受非議。
A number of Members have opined that the system is unfair and the rulings made by President Andrew LEUNG are also much condemned
無論如何，其實為何要有《議事規則》？
However why should there be the Rules of Procedure?
其實這些事要有一個過程，難道他們認為現時的議會制度未達其標準便可將其暴力衝擊等野蠻行為合理化、歪曲事實、顛三倒四嗎？
All this actually needs to go through a process . Do they think that they can rationalize their barbaric acts of violent charging distort the facts and call black white just because the existing parliamentary system does not measure up to their standards?
這些是詭辯，旨在轉移視線。
They are trying to divert attention by means of such sophistry
我有時也很佩服反對派的辯才，相當了不起。
Sometimes I greatly admire the eloquence of Members from the opposition camp which is remarkable
這絕非市民之福。
That is by no means good for members of the public
如果我們這樣做，豈非十分不尊重司法制度？
In so doing are we not showing gross disrespect for the judicial system?
主席，多謝邵家臻議員。
President I thank Mr SHIU Ka - chun
不過，當邵家臻議員讀稿時，有一個人會很傷心，就是毛孟靜議員，因為她經常批評其他議員讀稿，她覺得讀稿是無思想。
However someone would be very upset as Mr SHIU Ka - chun read from the script and that is Ms Claudio MO . She has always criticized Members for reading from a script as she thinks it is mindless
這項議案的起因很簡單，就是有幾位保安人員受到林卓廷議員和尹兆堅議員涉嫌襲擊而受傷......
The cause of this motion is very simple and that is several security staff members were allegedly assaulted and injured by Mr LAM Cheuk - ting and Mr Andrew WAN
主席，很多事情他們做是合法的，但我們做就是非法；他們做是關心，但我們做就是不安好心；他們做稱為行政監察，但我們做就是政治打壓；他們做是還原真相，但如果我們今天反對議案就是司法干預。
When they do something it is caring but when we do it we must have bad intentions . When they do something it is administrative supervision but when we do it it is political suppression . When they do something it is reconstructing the truth but if we oppose the motion today it is judicial interference
其實，他們只是用"金鐘罩"來掩飾、用語言"偽術"來美化自己的罪行。
In fact they are just covering themselves up under a shielding case and beautifying their crimes with hypocritical rhetoric
剛才邵家臻議員最後提到，把抗爭者拉入司法訴訟是不公義的行為。
Just now Mr SHIU Ka - chun stated at the end of this speech that pulling protesters into judicial proceedings is injustice
但想深一層，甚麼是司法公義呢？
Give these questions a second thought What is judicial justice?
香港的核心價值是甚麼？
What are the core values of Hong Kong?
如果憑着"抗爭"二字就可以無所不用其極，把社會秩序完全摧毀，甚至踐踏別人的權利，社會將會變成怎樣呢？
What will happen to our society if one may act as they please completely destroy social order or even trample on the rights of others under the banner of resistance?
今天提出這項議案的人竟然是工黨張超雄議員。
The Member who proposed this motion is actually Dr Fernando CHEUNG of the Labour Party
立法會作為僱主，是否可以因為"政治"二字便罔顧別人的權利呢？
As their employer can the Legislative Council disregard the rights of others merely because of politics?
即使准許幾位同事去作供，公義是否能夠真正得到彰顯呢？
Even if such leave is granted for the staff members to give evidence will justice really be served?
我不能猜想，因為始終要通過法院審判。
I cannot predict as it depends on the Courts judgment
如果法院的判決不合他們心意，他們又會跳出來說司法黑暗，政治打壓。
If the judgment is not to their liking they will again jump out and call it judicial injustice and political suppression
邵家臻議員又會說這是把抗爭者拉入司法訴訟，消磨他們的意志，令他們無法監察政府。
Mr SHIU Ka - chun will say that protesters are being pulled into judicial proceedings in order to wear down their will power so that they cannot monitor the Government
所以，我希望特區政府、建制派議員和香港市民要認真看清楚每件事的本質，千萬不能被政治蒙蔽雙眼。
Hence I hope the Government pro - establishment Members and Hong Kong people will see clearly the truth of the matter and avoid being blinded by politics
我希望我們現時做的工作，最終能得到市民的認同。
I hope our efforts will eventually receive public recognition
剛才有一位議員提到言論自由，說尹兆堅議員和林卓廷議員只是在議會內發言，他們的行動應該得到保障。
Just now a Member mentioned the freedom of speech and said Mr Andrew WAN and Mr LAM Cheuk - ting were merely speaking in the Council so their actions should be protected
我今天遇到一位朋友，他的話很有道理：他們口中的言論自由可以導致物理傷害，是物理傷害，不是心靈傷害。
I met a friend today whose remarks really make sense Their so - called freedom of speech can cause physical harm not merely emotional harm
如果言語具攻擊性，我是"玻璃心"受不了，就可以說是詞鋒銳利厲害；但他們的言論自由導致別人身體受傷害，還憑甚麼要保障他們呢？
If I am so emotionally fragile that I cannot stand their verbal attacks they may be said to have a sharp tongue . But when their freedom of speech causes bodily harm to others why should they be protected?
但是，香港社會很奇怪，真是"誰大誰惡誰正確"。
Nevertheless Hong Kong society was so weird in that the most powerful and viscous ones always had the say
不過，這已是過去式，市民慢慢開始覺醒了，他們口中的"港豬"已經覺醒，發現原來自己以前才是"港豬"，信錯了他們。
However that was a matter of the past . People are waking up gradually . Their so - called Hong Kong pigs have awakened and realized that they were actually Hong Kong pigs in trusting them
如果他們繼續堅持不問是非黑白，還會得到市民的認同嗎？
Will they still get public recognition if they continue to confuse right and wrong?
他們只會越踩越深，被香港市民唾棄。
They will only sink deeper and deeper and be deserted by Hong Kong people
我認為反對派的存在是有其價值的，但他們做得這麼差勁，我覺得已經失卻了原來的價值。
I believe the existence of the opposition camp is valuable . But the original value is lost due to the lousy job that they have done
所以，我希望香港市民慢慢看清楚事情的真相，不要用口號式言詞美化某件事，未審先判。
Therefore I hope Hong Kong people will gradually see the truth of the matter instead of the version beautified by slogans and judged before trial
我們希望香港能夠守護一直堅持的公道和核心價值，這個核心價值不能被他們利用作為政治工具。
We hope Hong Kong will uphold justice and the core value that we have all along insisted on . The core value must not be used as a political tool by them
主席，我動議我經修改的修正案，進一步修正經陳健波議員及莫乃光議員修正的陳振英議員議案。
President I move that Mr CHAN Chun - yings motion as amended by Mr CHAN Kin - por and Mr Charles Peter MOK be further amended by my revised amendment
回想他們小時候，我跟大多數家長一樣，都認為讀書成績差便沒有前途。
When they were young I like many other parents believed that they would have no future if they did not perform well academically
我有這種心態其實很正常，因為當時社會普遍認同"萬般皆下品，唯有讀書高"的價值觀。
It was perfectly normal for me to have this mindset for members of the community then generally upheld the belief that everything else is low - grade; only study is above all
大家都認定讀書是唯一上進的途徑，所以我決意做一個"虎爸"，狂谷兒子讀書，結果造成很大壓力。
We all firmly believed that study was the only way to move upward and hence I decided to be a Tiger Dad pushing my sons to study thus placing heavy pressure on them
我兩個兒子其實都在傳統學校讀書，最初他們的成績一般，放學後便去補習，但他們補習回家後，我會再為他們補習。
In fact both of my sons attended traditional schools . Initially their academic results were mediocre and they attended private tutorial lessons after school . But when they had finished such lessons and came home I would further tutor them
結果，他們讀得很辛苦，大家都沒有休息時間，經常補習到十一二時，真的補到流鼻血。
As a result they took great pains to attend all such lessons . None of us had any rest time as such tutorial lessons often lasted until 11col00 pm or 12col00 pm when we were truly worn out
經過一段很痛苦的歲月之後，他們的成績依然未如理想，而大家都辛苦不堪，結果一個去了外國後竟然喜歡讀書，覺得學校好到不得了，要他回香港也不願意，喜歡留在美國讀書，最終考上理想的大學。
After a painful period of time their academic results were still not as desirable and we all felt drained . In the end one of my sons went abroad and surprisingly became fond of studying . He believed that his school was so good that he refused my request when I asked him to come back to Hong Kong
另一個入讀私立學校，結果很開心，因為學校頭兩年竟然不用考試，只要求他多看些書。
He liked studying in the United States and was ultimately admitted to a desirable university . My other son later attended a private school . He was happy as during the first two years in that school he did not need to sit any exams and was only required to do some more reading
另一方面，我們經常說的學習壓力，除了是考試造成之外，往往亦由家長和社會造成。
On the other hand the pressures of study we often refer to are caused not only by exams but also by parents and society in many cases
我自己的經歷反映，我們自己製造學習壓力，實在很無謂。
My personal experience has shown that it is pointless for us to create the pressures of study by ourselves
所以，我十分認同代理主席李慧琼議員今天的議案，我們要紓緩考試壓力，同時又要提倡多元教育。
For this reason I very much agree with the motion of Deputy President Starry LEE today . We need to alleviate the pressures of exams while advocating diversified education
父母的責任是觀察和發掘子女的天分和興趣，然後加以培養。
A duty of parents is to observe discover and develop talents and interests in their children
今時今日，我們這一輩很多人應該都有能力自我照顧，而即使子女出人頭地，也未必會照顧父母。
In this day and age many among our generation should have the means to take care of ourselves and our children despite being successful may not take care of us
最重要的是你做的工作是否成功，是否站在行業的尖端，若在尖端當然可以賺更多錢，即使不在尖端，生活亦不成問題。
The most important thing is whether you can succeed in what you do or whether you are at the top of your profession . You will earn much more money if you are top - notch but you can still sustain a living even if you are not
例如，有小孩看到親人病了，所以立志做醫生。
For example a child who witnesses a sick family member may determine to be a doctor
其實，我今天不想說太多，我希望父母明白，讀書好不是唯一成功的途徑，所以子女成績不好，沒有問題，最重要是發掘興趣，多些陪伴他們。
In fact I do not want to talk too much today but I hope parents will understand that academic excellence is not the only way to succeed and thus poor academic results of their children are not a problem . The most important thing is to discover their interests and accompany them more
如果大家今天收到這個信息，我的發言便很有意義。
My speech will be very meaningful if my message is well received today
郭家麒議員，你有否批評本會主席是"門口狗"？
Dr KWOK Ka - ki did you criticize the President of this Council as a dog at the door?
我亦希望大家不要利用這個場合......
I hope Members will not use this occasion
同屬一種動物，可能感受很深。
Animals of the same species may feel deeply
事實上，《基本法》清楚訂明，而大家也知道，"一國兩制"是香港僅有。
In fact it is stipulated unequivocally in the Basic Law that one country two systems is unique to Hong Kong and Members all know that
香港與中國大陸最大的分別，在於香港在憲制上仍是三權獨立、三權分立，而《基本法》亦訂明，立法會可監察政府和監督行政單位。
The greatest difference between Hong Kong and the Mainland China is that Hong Kong is still adopting independence of the three powers and the separation of powers . Moreover it is stipulated in the Basic Law that the Legislative Council will monitor the Government and the executive
她當時說到一點，這亦是我昨天發言時提及的，就是香港得以成功，讓全世界投資者願意來香港投資落戶、建立地區總部，是因為他們信納立法會會監督、平衡行政機關，確保香港實施與內地不同的制度。
She mentioned a point at that time which I also mentioned yesterday in my speech that is Hong Kongs success and the willingness of investors around the world to invest in Hong Kong to settle down and to set up regional headquarters should be attributed to their trust in the Legislative Council in monitoring and checking the power of the executive and ensuring that Hong Kong adopts a system different from that of the Mainland
然而，在立法會內，《條例》旨在確保議員在監督政府和社會不同事情上，享有一定的豁免權，令他們發言時無須害怕，畢竟議會上討論的事情也不是私人的事，而是公眾的事。
Yet in the Legislative Council PP Ordinance seeks to ensure that Members are entitled to certain exemptions when monitoring the Government and various issues in society so that they have nothing to fear when they speak . After all issues discussed in the legislature are not private but public concerns
這項《條例草案》在社會引起重大爭議，大多數市民對條例的執行有很多疑問，所以議員希望在過程中盡力做好審議工作。
The Bill had aroused great controversy in society . Since most people had doubts about the implementation of the Bill Members desired to do their best in the course of the examination
可惜，當時的法案委員會用了極不公平的做法，就是限制委員發言和開會次數。
Regrettably the Bills Committee at the time adopted an extremely unfair arrangement by limiting the speaking time of Members and the number of meetings to be held
當《條例草案》提交立法會大會，大家也知道政府已訂下死線，而這做法是要立法會"跪低"，因為甚少情況是會這樣做 的。
We all know that when the Bill was submitted to the meeting of the Legislative Council the Government had set a deadline . That arrangement meant to force the Legislative Council to fall to its knees to compromise for such practice had seldom been used before
我與立法會的保安人員也很相熟，很多時候也會一起聊天，我絕對諒解他們的困難，他們只是"打工"而已。
I am also acquainted with the security staff of the Legislative Council . We often chat together . I definitely understand their difficulties for they are just doing their job
可是，這並不表示要走到這一步，動輒運用公訴力來處理，因為此例一開，即有很大的危險。
Nonetheless it does not mean that he can go so far as to hastily resort to the power to initiate indictment for there will be great danger once a precedent is set
大家也知道事件的過程，不應只看當時的情景，因為這是源於一個不公義的制度、一個不公義的主席，對《議事規則》不公義的處理。
We all know the course of the incident . We should not merely focus on the scene at the time as the incident should be attributed to an unjust system and the unjust handling of the Rules of Procedure by an unrighteous President
世界上有一種不見血的暴力，便是制度暴力。
A kind of bloodless violence in the world is systematic violence
當一個人擁有所有的權力、財政、警察、起訴、立法會的行政權力，這個人便無往而不利的。
When a person has all the powers financial power the Police and the administrative power of the Legislative Council this person can do whatever he wants
大家也知道，香港中文大學進行的一項研究指出，三分之一的香港人其中有很多是青年人也想離開香港，因為他們看到香港正在赤化，看到香港在"一國兩制"下原應享有的"港人治港"、"高度自治"正一直流失。
Members also know that according to a study conducted by the Chinese University of Hong Kong one third of the people of Hong Kong many of them young people desire to leave Hong Kong . They desire to leave for they see that Hong Kong is being turned red and that there is the continual draining of Hong Kong people ruling Hong Kong and high degree of autonomy which Hong Kong is entitled under one country two systems
他們對前景失去信心，對制度沒有信心，所以他們打算離開。
They have lost their confidence in future and in the system so they plan to leave
人才的離開、資金的離開，只是一個開始。
The drain of talents and funds is merely the beginning
那些明白香港處境危急的人，知道要守着議會，這是唯一的防線，可以維護香港的"一國兩制"、"港人治港"和"高度自治"。
People who understand that Hong Kong is facing a critical situation know that we have to guard the legislature . This is the only line of defence to safeguard one country two systems Hong Kong people ruling Hong Kong and high degree of autonomy in Hong Kong
說到暴力，我剛才聽到一些十分年青的議員提及那兩位議員如何使用暴力，我真的要談談往事。
When it comes to violence just now I heard certain young Members commenting on the use of violence by the two Members I cannot help recapitulating some events in the past
如果跟共產黨談暴力，我們連"小學雞"也不如。
When it comes to violence we are not even a kiddie in comparison to CPC
王全璋、李旺陽、劉曉波等家破人亡的情況，大家如何看待呢？
As for the deaths and broken families in cases of WANG Quanzhang LI Wangyang and LIU Xiaobo what do Members think?
你不應把暴力這個觀點無限伸延。
You should not expand your opinion on violence infinitely
我們不希望香港變成人大的狀態。
We do not hope to see Hong Kong being converted to the state of NPC
我認為今天我們正處於最重要的關頭，儘管有人不認為是這樣。
I think we are now in the most critical moment though some people do not think so
畢竟，一個人能對抗多少人呢？
After all how many persons can one stand up to?
立法會行政管理委員會為了保障立法會僱員的職業安全，以及為了他們在執行職務時能夠有所保障，因此報案，引發今次的審訊，要求幾位保安同事錄取口供。
The Legislative Council Commission reported the case to the Police with a view to safeguarding the occupational safety of the employees of the Legislative Council and offering them protection when they carry out their duties . The trial in question hence arises and several security staff are requested to give evidence . Dr Fernando CHEUNG has now proposed a motion to raise objection and refuse to allow these security staff to give evidence
現在張超雄議員提出議案反對，拒絕讓這些保安員錄取口供，大家必須知道，錄取口供不等於馬上判該兩位議員入罪，只是要求他們說出所看到或經歷的事實，是證明事實，而不是爭拗法律觀點。
All of us should know that giving evidence is not equivalent to ruling immediately that the two Honourable Members are convicted . They are only requested to state the fact that they have seen or experienced . The aim is to prove the fact instead of arguing on a legal point of view
然而，我先不說張超雄議員身為工黨成員，竟然沒有想過保障立法會僱員的職業安全，而今天我聽到反對派議員的所有爭辯其實離題萬丈，根本不是在說這件事。
However not to mention that Dr Fernando CHEUNG is a member of the Labour Party but he has never thought of safeguarding the occupational safety of the employees of the Legislative Council in the first place what I have heard today from all the arguments presented by Members of the opposition camp have actually strayed extremely far from the subject . They were not talking about this incident