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在未來的日子，希望局長除了答應我們會大力宣傳之外，真的會有實質的流程或措施，讓我們知道進入住宅搜證是有收穫的，取得搜查令不會浪費法庭、裁判官的時間，或需要繁多的行政程序，又或進入住宅後卻沒有任何收穫，希望局長回去三思這一點。
In the future I hope the Secretary will promise us that apart from stepping up publicity she will also lay down specific procedures or measures to convince us that collecting evidence in domestic premises is an effective means and obtaining search warrants is not a waste of time of the court and the magistrate and that there is no complicated administrative procedures and that efforts in searching domestic premises will not be futile . I hope the Secretary will later take this point into careful consideration
政府有責任做好把關工作，但透過業界多年來自願這樣做，我感覺到是有成效的，但成效是否大，則見仁見智。
The Government is duty - bound to properly prevent this problem . I appreciate the voluntary efforts made by the sector over the years which I think has brought some result . But as to how effective the efforts have been opinions differ
對於這個觀點，我想局長稍後也可以回應一下。
I hope the Secretary can later respond to this point as well
主席，我支持《條例草案》第一組的修正案，但未看到第二組的修正案有充足理據及清晰數字之前，我與民建聯的同事未必能夠支持。
Chairman I support the first group of amendments to the Bill but if there are not sufficient justification and clear data to support the second group of amendment I am afraid members of the Democratic Alliance for the Betterment and Progress of Hong Kong and I may not support them
我希望政府能夠透過今次的修訂，確保香港人可以有安全及優質的食水。
Through this amendment exercise I hope that the Government can ensure safe and quality drinking water for Hong Kong people
食水是每人每天必不可少的，特別是最近天氣乾燥，人們頻頻喝水代理主席也在喝水。
Water is an everyday necessity for everyone . People drink water frequently especially when the weather is dry recently―Deputy President is also drinking water now
很幸運地，特別是某些地區的鉛水問題獲得解決後，過了一段時間，小朋友再接受檢查而發覺沒有問題。
Fortunately after a period of time especially when the lead in drinking water problem was resolved in certain districts the children were found to be all right in their re - assessment . We should learn from the mistakes
我相信大家心中明白，他們根本沒有這麼多時間。
I believe we all understand that they basically do not have so much time
既然如此，為何當局不培訓更多人來解決這問題呢？
Given this situation why do the authorities not train more personnel to resolve this problem?
據我所知，假如現時我們要申領水喉匠牌照，必須具備職業訓練局頒發的水喉全科技工證書，更要求香港水務設施課程證書或同等資格，同時最低限度要具有4年相關工作經驗。
As I understand if a person wants to apply for a plumbers licence he has to possess a Craft Certificate in Plumbing and Pipefitting and a Certificate in Plumbing Services Hong Kong issued by the Vocational Training Council or an equivalent qualification and he should at least have four years of related working experience
有行內老師傅說，要成為一名水喉匠真的好像考狀元般，更要文武雙全，因為除了考水務知識的筆試，還要了解整套申請供水的流程，甚至要畫出一座大廈整個供水系統各方面的圖示，不單要懂得畫圖、安裝等，還要懂得燒焊、接駁銅喉、屈曲膠喉等工作。
According to the veteran plumbers in the trade in order to become a plumber one really has to go through a lot of assessments and has to be well versed in both knowledge and skills . Because apart from taking the written tests relating to waterworks knowledge he also has to understand the whole procedures of applying for water supply and even has to draw the various diagrams of the entire water supply system in a building . In addition to diagram drawing and installation of fittings he also has to know the works of welding connecting copper pipes and bending of plastic pipes
因為有關修訂是，日後的工程由水喉匠監督便可以進行，不過負責的技工當然亦需要申領特定牌照。
It is because according to the amendments in future the works will be carried out under the supervision of a licensed plumber while the technicians who carry out the works also need to have obtained a certain licence
有了這項規定，我相信除了鉛水問題外，在一些舊區內的舊樓或"劏房"內加建廁所或改建所出現的種種問題，都有機會減少。
With this requirement I believe that beside the lead - in - water problem various problems derived from the construction of additional toilets or alteration works in old buildings or subdivided units in the old districts will be reduced
由此可見，這類不可能發生的事都會發生，很明顯，是有一些根本不合資格或沒有受過正統訓練的人造成的錯誤。
From this case we learn that this type of unimaginable things can happen . It is very obvious that these are mistakes committed by some unqualified workers or those without receiving any formal training
現在將情況套用於水喉匠身上，日後是否只要持牌水喉匠簽署呢？
We now apply this situation to plumbers . In future will licensed plumbers be the only persons required to sign the documents?
如果發生事故，並非 只有水喉匠負責，而是負責工程的技工也要負責，因為他有參與工程，不應將所有責任推到水喉匠身上。
In case an accident happens not only is the plumber liable but the technician who carried out the works is also liable because he has participated in the works and the plumber should not be solely liable
現時有很多單位開始老化，需要全屋更換水喉，如果駁錯喉管，情況便會很嚴重。
Many housing units are ageing and the units need to have all the pipes renewed . If the pipes are incorrectly connected there will be dire consequences
但是，為一些單位裝修，從來沒有人會聘請一名合資格的水喉匠進行工程，因為很昂貴。
However when refurbishing a housing unit hardly anyone will employ a qualified plumber to do the works concerned as exorbitant costs will be incurred
一般裝修公司、裝修師傅不會為客戶這樣做。
The fitting - out workers of decoration companies in general will not do such works for the clients
至於整幢樓宇的工程，則由中級水喉匠負責；而一些大工程，才由最高級、資歷最豐富的水喉匠負責。
The middle ranking plumbers will be in charge of the works for the whole building while the most senior and experienced plumbers will be in charge of some large projects
所以，我認為，當局未來應考慮不單是水喉匠簽署並負責，而是再加上在現場施工的技工一同簽署。
Therefore in my view in addition to requiring the plumbers to sign the documents and be in charge of the works the authorities should also consider requiring the technicians working on the site to sign the documents as well
我認為這樣更可以保障市民的食水安全，而施工者亦要承擔其責任。
I think this can better safeguard the safety of drinking water for the public while the workers on the site also have to take up their responsibility
代理主席，民建聯支持《2017年水務設施條例草案》。
Deputy President the Democratic Alliance for the Betterment and Progress of Hong Kong supports the Waterworks Amendment Bill 2017
我發言是希望局長能再次聽到，我們過往在地區上接獲不少市民對《水務設施條例》所發表的意見。
I speak to relay to the Secretary once again the views of residents on the Waterworks Ordinance which I have received during the district work
代理主席，我相信你、我和全港市民均記得，從2015年7月起，香港部分公共屋邨、居屋、私人屋苑和教育機構，均被揭發食水含鉛量超標的事件。
Deputy President I believe all Hong Kong people including you and me can recall the lead - in - water incident which excess lead content had successively been found in drinking water of some public and private housing estates Home Ownership Scheme HOS housing estates as well as educational institutions since July 2015 . The incident unsettled us and caused us panic
當時人心惶惶、民心浮動，同時，我批評政府是陣腳大亂。
The Government as I criticized was thrown into confusions and chaos that time
食水含鉛超標反映出的根本問題是，政府現行的水務設施與整體食水供應系統，包括食水供應系統內的安裝工程監督、食水供應內的物料審批、監控和審查、施工及竣工期間的監控食水管物料及食水水質等技術的標準和監管制度，均存在很大漏洞。
The discovery of excess lead content in drinking water reflects a very fundamental problem there are significant loopholes in the existing waterworks system as well as the entire fresh water supply system . Loopholes are found in the monitoring of the installation works the approval monitoring and checking of materials used in the fresh water supply system the technical standards for monitoring the materials of fresh water supply pipes and the quality of fresh water during and after the construction works and the relevant regulatory regime
幸好，經此慘痛一役後，政府彷彿如夢初醒，這總好過一直也不醒。
Fortunately having gone through this painful experience the Government has awakened from a dream . It is fortunate in a sense that the Government is not still in a dream
前行政長官梁振英在其任內最後一份施政報告內提出，政府會全力跟進食水含鉛超標調查委員會提出的多項建議，以及為保障食水安全制訂整全計劃，提出修訂《水務設施條例》及其規例的建議，當中包括檢視所有參與內部供水系統的設計和建造人士的角色和責 任——最重要的是責任，以及其相關註冊的制度。
Former Chief Executive LEUNG Chun - ying said in his last Policy Address that the Government would follow up the recommendations of the Commission of Inquiry into Excess Lead Found in Drinking Water and formulate a holistic plan to safeguard drinking water quality . It would propose amendments to the Waterworks Ordinance and its Regulations involving a review of the roles and more importantly the responsibilities of all persons engaged in the design and construction of the inside service and the systems for their registration
我亦知道政府在加強內部供水系統的物料監控方面參照海外經驗，推行適用於香港的"水安全計劃"。
We know that the Government would step up efforts to monitor the materials used in the inside service and by drawing on overseas experience implement a water safety plan applicable to Hong Kong
水務署亦修例以釐清持牌水喉匠及水喉工人的職責、技術規定及水管物料標準；審視有關牌照及註冊架構，以及發展商和承辦商本身各自的職能，擬定《條例草案》後提交立法會審議。
We also know that the Water Supplies Department WSD has introduced legislative amendments to clearly define the respective duties and responsibilities of licensed plumbers and plumbing workers set out the technical requirements and plumbing material standards review the relevant licensing and registration frameworks and stipulate the respective duties of developers and contractors . The Bill so drafted has been submitted to the Legislative Council for scrutiny
作為民選出來的立法會議員，我們覺得在這個時候必須告知政府當局，對政府如何落實這些建議，透過《條例草案》清楚界定負責進行水管系統建造等人士，包括坊間經常說的持牌水喉匠及工人的角色、參與程度和責任。
As an elected Member it is incumbent upon me to give views on the implementation of these proposals in order to clearly define the roles degrees of participation and responsibilities of people engaged in the construction of the plumbing system including licensed plumbers and plumbing workers the best known stakeholders of the trade in society
代理主席，我們同意有關修訂，這些修訂能規定更符合政策的意願，亦更符合業界一直以來的作業模式。
Deputy President we concur with the relevant amendments as we think they better meet the policy intents and are more in line with the long - time practice in the trade
我想做過水喉工程的市民和朋友也知道，水喉匠真的很難聘請。
For those who have engaged plumbers to work for their premises they will know very well how difficult it is to hire a plumber
如果水管系統工程只可由持牌水喉匠親自進行的話，持牌水喉匠的勞動力需求一定會很多，最後會出現遠超於現時人手安排的供應，更遑論水管系統工程的成本會因為只可以聘請持牌水喉匠進行而有所增加。
A heavy demand for licensed plumbers is expected if plumbing works can only be conducted by them . The restriction is set to make demand for licensed plumber way excess supply and thus inflate the costs of the plumbing works
長遠而言，有關規定更可在不會降低工程質素的情況下，為水喉業界提供額外勞動力，故此我認為有利於行業發展。
The amendments indeed help to provide the plumbing trade with additional manpower without adversely affecting the quality of plumbing works and are thus conducive to the development of the trade in the long run
代理主席，其他修訂包括加入相關罪行及法定免責辯護條文，賦予水務監督在無需取得同意或手令的情況下進入處所的權力，以確定水管系統的建造是否由指定人士進行，我認為這項修訂亦非常理想，同時亦修訂檢控時限等，可借這個機會理順整體法例的灰色地帶，所以我是表示同意的。
Deputy President other amendments include the creation of relevant offences and statutory defences and the giving of power of entry without warrant or consent to the Water Authority to ascertain whether the construction etc . of plumbing systems are carried out by designated persons . I think the amendments are very desirable
在審議《條例草案》的過程中，我知道我們有部分同事提出林林總總的不同憂慮，包括市民和業界的憂慮，我樂見政府真的作出回應，對水務工程的監督和對業界的保障之間取得平衡，亦可解釋大部分市民提出的疑慮。
Besides I also agree to the proposed revision of the time limit for prosecution to help remove the grey area of the entire legislation . In the course of deliberation I note that some Members have raised various concerns including relaying the concerns of the public and the trade over the Bill . I am happy that the Government has heeded their concerns and largely removed the worries of the public by striking a right balance between the regulation over the plumbing works and the protection of the trade
為讓水喉從業員更好地了解《條例草案》，避免誤墮法網，我建議政府應就條例內容提供具體指引——我不知道現時有沒有這方面的指引，但我認為必須提供具體指引，以加強教育和宣傳。
To enable the plumbing practitioners to better understand the Bill and protect them from breaching the law inadvertently I suggest that the Government should provide them with specific guidelines on the Bill . I do not know whether relevant guidelines are available now but I think the Government must draw up specific guidelines to boost the education and publicity work . In my last debate speech I have time and again reminded the Secretary for Food and Health of the importance of this kind of work
我在我上次的辯論發言的內容，已多番提醒食物及衞生局局長，因為我覺得政府有時候會好心做壞事，有很多事情未能說得清楚，令人產生很多誤解，所以我再次提醒發展局局長，拜託他加強教育和宣傳。
In some cases the Government has done itself a disservice by not sufficiently explaining its good policies . Misunderstandings would thus arise . Hence I have to remind the Secretary for Development once again that he has to step up the education and publicity efforts
代理主席，我關心《條例草案》之餘，我認為我最關心的是全港市民共同關注的食水安全問題。
Deputy President I concern myself with the Bill because the safety of drinking water concerns me most . I know it is also the concern of all Hong Kong people
落實《條例草案》，只可以改善食水 安全的其中一些建議，但我認為如要保證食水安全，政府仍須作出多方努力。
The enactment of the Bill is only part of the efforts to improve the safety of drinking water . There is still a lot of work the Government has to do in order to ensure the safety of drinking water
無可否認，在2015年發生食水含鉛超標事件後，政府相關政策局和部門均全力跟進。
Since the occurrence of the excess lead in drinking water incident in 2015 relevant bureaux and government departments have made all - out efforts to follow up the issue
我參與地區事務時亦能深深感受到個別部門的分工確實做得不錯，亦提出很多改善措施。
Their efforts are beyond doubt . During the district work I am able to witness the effective division of work among departments in putting forward a number of remedial measures
除上述提出修訂《水務設施條例》及其規例的建議外，政府在去年9月21日亦推出提升香港食水安全行動計劃的活動。
Apart from proposing amendments to the Waterworks Ordinance and its Regulations the Government launched an Action Plan for Enhancing Drinking Water Safety in Hong Kong on 21 September last year
行動計劃包括優化現行水質監測計劃，每年以隨機方式收集用戶水龍頭的食水樣本進行測試，加強水管物料的監管——這些都是好事，以及加強新建水管裝置的驗收規定，亦向業主及其所屬的物業管理公司推廣設施、建築物安全的計劃，以具系統性方式評估和檢查建築物的供水設備。
Under the Plan WSD would enhance its current water quality monitoring programme to collect water samples from drinking taps of randomly selected consumers for testing annually and strengthen the regulatory control on plumbing materials . These are good measures . Besides WSD would also tighten the commissioning requirements for new plumbing installations and at the same time promote the implementation of Water Safety Plans for buildings to owners and their property management agencies to provide a systematic approach for assessments of the whole water supply chain of buildings
最重要的是要加強安全食水的宣傳和教育，就這一點，我想借這個機會把市民的心聲告知局長。
The publicity and public education work are crucially important among the various measures . In this respect I would like to take this opportunity to relay the voices of Hong Kong people to the Secretary
局長，做了那麼多好事，仍是我所說的那一句，緊記多做宣傳，拜託你了。
Secretary I know you have already done a lot for us . But I beg you to step up the publicity efforts
公眾教育和宣傳是非常重要的。
Please do so . Public education and publicity are just crucial
事故頻發，說明了甚麼？
What does the frequent occurrence of water quality - related incidents mean to us?
我認為足以證明，食水安全是我們市民最關心的課題。
To me this is a proof that the safety of drinking water is the prime concern of members of the public
雖然政府表示穩妥和安全，當局的檢測夠全面，但我強調一點，政府真的有需要建立一個食水安全保障的網絡，目的為何？
In its reply the Government assures us that the system in place is stable and safe and the monitoring regime is comprehensive . Yet I wish to emphasize that it is really necessary for the Government to set up a fresh water quality assurance network . What is it for?
目的是加強水質監測，最大程度地保障我們的食水安全，因為我相信任何人都需要使用食水的，我想藉着今天的機會再次提醒局方。
The aim is to reinforce the water quality monitoring to best safeguard the safety of our drinking water . I know consumption of drinking water is a basic necessity for all of us and I wish to take this opportunity to once again remind the Bureau of this
其實，目前政府所謂優化水質的監測，只做甚麼？
Actually how does the so - called water quality monitoring programme operate?
只是每年以隨機方式收集用戶水龍頭的食水進行測試，然後把收集的本地水質監測數據，作為他們的資訊庫和數據，評估採用超越世界衞生組織準則的食水標準。
Under the programme WSD will only collect water samples on a yearly basis from drinking taps of randomly selected consumers for testing . The collected local water quality data will be kept in a database and be used as a basis to review the appropriateness of adopting standards beyond World Health Organization Guidelines
很可惜，當局並沒有從食水源頭開始至食水流經的每一個供水位進行監測。
Regrettably the water quality monitoring does not cover each and every water outlet from source to tap where the fresh water passes through
你們有沒有看、有沒有監管？
Have you paid any inspection visit? . Have you monitored the authorities work?
"所以我今天受市民所託，要問局長此事，希望局長稍後告訴我。
I would like to relay this question to the Secretary and I hope the Secretary can give us a reply later on
其實這一年來，即使食水 源頭未被污染，但食水經過的供水系統缺乏全面測試，的確存在一點危機，亦會出現不達標的情況。
During this year despite the fact that the water source is free of contamination there is still risk of fresh water contamination because the plumbing system which fresh water passes through is not fully monitored . There have been cases of substandard facilities and works
就這一點，如何隨着今次這項修訂，局長可以做點工作為市民把關？
In this respect what the Secretary can do to take advantage of the amendment exercise to live up to his gate - keeping role?
希望你能夠回去認真想想，這確是很貼地的民意。
I hope you can give a serious though about this . These are really down - to - earth views of the public
代理主席，我有數個建議，希望政府能夠多作考慮。
Deputy President I would like to put forward some proposals for the Governments consideration
除了通過《條例草案》後，我認為政府應該加強對進行食水裝置工程人士的監管。
Apart from the implementation of the Bill I think the Government should also step up the monitoring of persons engaged in the drinking water installation works
代理主席，最後，我想提出另外一點是用戶水龍頭流出的水的問題，當中我發現整個過程應該設立水質監察點，建立食水安全保障網路，確保水質監測覆蓋整個供水系統，這樣才不被人批評說在這裏看不到，在那裏看不到，顧到上顧不了下。
Deputy President finally I want to talk about the quality of our tap water . To enable the water quality monitoring to cover the entire water supply system I think we should establish a fresh water quality assurance network with monitoring points throughout the water supply process . By taking care of each and every part of the system the Government will no longer be criticized for the monitoring negligence
同時，也希望政府能夠參考其他國家的做法，包括我們經常提到的英國、美國、新加坡，國內現時食水安全的法規也很先進，我認為你們均可考慮。
Meanwhile I also call on the Government to draw on the experience of other countries including the United Kingdom the United States and Singapore which we have frequently mentioned . Indeed in the Mainland the rules and regulations governing the drinking water safety are also very advanced . I think the Government can consider studying their practices
必須制定專門管制食水的法例，亦要設立一個獨立機構，對水質進行監測及審核。
The Government must enact specific law to regulate the drinking water . An independent institution for the monitoring and checking of water quality must also be in place
代理主席，我想在臨結束陳辭之前，以下兩句說話送贈政府當局，這兩句說話也是我與不同政府部門開會和溝通時經常使用的，局長，我希望你在作出修訂後，能夠做到"多聚會、少誤會；多溝通，實成功"。
Deputy President before I stop I would like to send some words of advice to the authorities . I often follow these words in communicating and meeting with government departments . If we meet more we can reduce misunderstandings; if we communicate more we are on the way to success
我一直秉持着這幾句說話，在地區與不同的政策局和政府部門的同事，以至我們的街坊朋友，作為我經常用的座右銘。
Secretary I hope that you can do so after the passage of the amendments . This is the principle I keep by heart and the motto I often refer to when I deal with various bureaux or government departments and communicate with residents during district work
希望今次修訂後，請局長緊記我這兩句說話，在工作時更貼地了解到現在全港市民對於食水的惶恐和關心，從而由政府做好正本清源、環環監察的角色。
I hope that the Secretary will bear these words in mind and be more attentive to the fear and worries of the public about the drinking water quality . Following the passage of the amendments the Secretary should step up water quality monitoring at each and every part of the entire water supply system so as to tackle the problem at root
代理主席，我再次表示支持這項議案。
Deputy President I once again express my support for this motion
其實在法案委員會的討論中，最初沒有討論這項修正案。
Initially during the deliberations of the Bill the Bills Committee has not discussed this amendment
該修正案的起源是由於我們發覺政府在今次的《2017年應課稅品條例草案》中，沒有對一些遙距售酒或一些並非商業處所，包括酒吧、餐廳以外的一些場所規管。
In fact the amendments are proposed since we find that the Dutiable Commodities Amendment Bill 2017 the Bill this time around does not regulate remote sale of liquor or off - premise sales of alcohol where liquors are sold on premises other than bars and restaurants
如果確實有一些售酒活動或舉行私人收錢的派對，便會造成這些條例不足的地方。
The legislation will be inadequate if someone organizes sales activities of alcohol or private parties that charge fees
由於政府要堵塞這個漏洞，便在這項新的修正案中，分別提出第一組和第二組的修正案。
As a result the Government has to propose two groups of amendments to the new amendments in order to plug the loophole
第一組修正案是關於在售酒過程中涉及送遞酒類的員工，譬如他既非受僱於賣方，亦非受僱於供應方，免除其責任，這項免責條款其實也在審議《條例草案》時經過詳細討論，政府作出安排，以保障很多時候根本沒有涉及任何利益的打工階層及人士。
The first group of amendments is to exempt the staff from the liabilities arising from delivering liquors in the course of business for another person as they are not employed by the seller or supplier . This exemption clause has been discussed thoroughly during the scrutiny of the Bill . The Government therefore makes the arrangement to protect wage earners and employees who have no personal interests or benefits
最大的爭議點是第二組修正案，即是將來的執法單位，即是衞生署，很可能是衞生署的控煙辦公室或其他執法單位，透過裁判官訂立的條件可以發出搜查令予有關的督察。
The biggest controversy is the second group of amendment . That is to say inspectors of the future law enforcement agency either from the Department of Health DH the Tobacco Control Office TCO under DH or other law enforcement agencies could obtain the search warrant from a magistrate under certain requirements set down by the magistrate
代理主席，老實說，這個做法跟現時政府很多透過裁判官取得搜查令一樣，並無分別，不過，我聽到很多建制派議員在這項條文上借題發揮。
Deputy Chairman honestly speaking there is no difference between the proposed practice and the existing practice that Government staff may obtain search warrants from magistrate through a certain procedure but a lot of pro - establishment Members are making an issue of this provision
我也留意到局長，我不知道這是局長的問題，還是你的老闆"林鄭"的問題，其中很多發言的是你們執政聯盟的人，或者說得坦白一點，是在你們行政會議裏有一席位的議員。
I have also noted the Secretary but I am not sure if it is the problem of the Secretary or the problem of your boss Carrie LAM . A lot of Members who have spoken are Members from the ruling coalition . Frankly speaking they are Members who have been awarded a seat in the Executive Council
說到底，說得天花亂墜，說如何支持禁止18歲以下售酒之後，他沒有說出最重要的一點，便是利益。
In the final analysis they have been talking in such an exaggerated manner of how they support the ban on the sale of liquor to minors under 18 but they have not uttered the most important word and that is the interests
這些建制派議員為何突然人權上身？
Why these pro - establishment Members have suddenly become human rights advocates?
你知道當時第二十三條立法——自由黨不算數，自由黨是當時......
You know that during the legislation on Article 23 of the Basic Law―the Liberal Party is not included at that time the Liberal Party I believe everyone applauded the Liberal Party under the leadership of its chairman Mr James TIEN
我相信大家都很讚賞田北俊擔任主席時的自由黨，在很多事件之中，包括第二十三條立法，他做了香港人期望他要做的事情。
Among many things including the legislation on Article 23 of the Basic Law he had done something Hong Kong people wanted him to do
所以很奇怪，我們覺得出現了有點精神分裂的情況。
Therefore I have a very strange feeling . I think they have a split personality
售酒業、酒類產品經銷商、代理商、酒吧、餐廳......
The liquor sale business alcoholic beverages dealers agents bars restaurants how much money is involved in these businesses?
還有以私人派對的名義，表面上不是商業場所謀生的人，當中涉及數以億元計的利益。
Besides some people will do the selling in the name of a private party . On the surface it has nothing to do with people who are making a living on commercial premises but hundreds of millions dollar businesses are involved
因此，局長你要張開眼睛看清楚你的盟友是何許人，談到利益、談到錢，你不要以為行政會議的席位有甚麼了不起，一樣予取予求，這是其中一個例子，我不想舉太多例子。
For that reason I wish the Secretary to open your eyes wide to see who your coalitions are . When it comes to interests when it comes to money you must not think that a seat in the Executive Council is something extraordinary . It is actually something so easily obtainable
當年政府要定立《不良廣告條例》，要限制健康食品的聲稱時，周梁淑怡一樣在行政會議裏，但最大力反對的便是他們。
This is just one of the many examples . I do not wish to cite more . Years ago when the Government was trying to enact the Undesirable Medical Advertisements Ordinance to regulate the claims of health foods Mrs Selina CHOW strongly opposed the legislation in the Executive Council on behalf of these people
他們要站出來，完全阻撓法例，無論你怎樣保障公眾，也一定要阻、阻、阻......
They would stand up and impede the passage of the legislation . No matter how hard you try to protect the public they would impede impede impede until either the scope of the enforcement is significantly narrowed down or the implementation date is deferred to a very far - flung one