Again after numerous edit conflicts - perhaps some people should look at the spurious attacks Liz made against me on my talk page before claiming I have poked too much? Again, I really do not give a shit - she is incapable of producing any true content and is purely a POV social net worker, so do as you please. I always thought Wikipedia provided a service to readers by providing well researched articles but evidently that is not the case nowadays - we all live and learn, perhaps one day I may be able to follow the example of such exalted "editors/admins" as Liz - to be honest, it is not an ideal I think worth living up to but, of course, your opinion may differ.  - Chat