Vidkun,

It looks like we agree more than we disagree. We agree, it's only been *called* Wicca since Gardner. That's what I said before. Witchcraft has indeed been practiced for eons before Gardner. No argument there.

I've already said my piece about initiation and covens. So I won't rehash that. I will add that I feel it's equally valid and important to note that those who aren't in covens are "initiated" into Wicca by God and Goddess themselves. That is more important, at least in my opinion, than a coven initiating them.

I will differ with you on one other thing that hasn't been previously discussed. Unless you're referring to orthopraxy on a fairly broad scale, I don't see that as being valid either. Again, the concept "an it harm none, do as ye will" would also range to differing practices, ideas, and the like. That phrase, as pointed out, wasn't even coined by Gardner, but Crowley, and even before him.

Blessed be.

Gabhin