Response Interestingly, although scienceopologist has admittedly never "read and understood" what Langan says about particular subjects related to the CTMU (since he sees no reason for it), he nevertheless presumes to include his irrelevant personal opinions about what Langan believes about particular subjects related to the CTMU. As anyone familiar with the controversy is well aware, no ID proponent has a theory identical or even similar to evolutionist Langan's. (If one does, we'd need verification for that, preferably by some one who has actually read Langan's work.) Regarding guilt by association: Immanuel Velikovsky was associated with Einstein through voluminous correspondence. Are we therefore to note that Einstein was associated with people now widely regarded as cranks, and that his theories need to be reconsidered in this light? I think not.