LoL, "We don't want to hear?" Elitist Douche who obviously has a disdain for us IP-editors to add to your disgraceful manner, I for one have found Jacks comments very insightful and interesting so I appreciate them and Maxis too. I doubt this will get through your thick head (it's not an insult, it's an opinion based on your response) but the problem is not the issue itself. It's that people like you seem to enjoy (whether or not your side gets it right) to discuss, turn, twist and frankly abuse topics like this which is detrimental to the basic goals of Wikis in general and Wikipedia in particular. As John Stewart said to two hacks; You're hurting us. Also, frankly, you're the one being passive aggressive. If you're going to give your opinion about someone, or even insult them, don't beat around the bush. You're the one being exactly what passive aggressive entails:, calling him *indirectly* ignorant of your (the groups) rules, acting in an elitist and authoritarian manner, calling him childish, indirectly threatening him with administrative action and so forth. I repeat, you are a douche. 213.100.108.117