You need to really' give up this mindless crap. There is nothing illogical in my position, it is you that needs to grow up. A pressure group that dopes not speak for the people of the area has registered a flag with an organisation who's rules show it is biased towards the same view. It is you and you little clique that are trying to impose on people there view of where people live. You want to label one set of Cumbrians are Westmorlanders because at some point in the past HMG created an area and named in Westmorland, which it has now abolished and some people still wish to use the old mode. No one has held a public vote the only things that matters in this is what HMG has said. Most people in Merseyside I identify more strongly with Merseyside than any other county, that is there identity. I have seen no evidence other than that 2 pressure groups want to enforce there view. The flag did not belong to the County When is existed, it hasn't been created for or by an organisation with any mandate. I know people who live in all parts of Cumbria and never has one of the refereed to Westmorland or Cumberland in any context in the past or present. It is some fantasy of yours that you speak for the majority of several areas without showing any evidence or having any mandate. I suspect you rather old and stuck in your ways and can't abide change and that this is what is atthe root of you misguided POV. HMG had a mandate, you do not and neither does the Westmorland society or the Flag Institute.