Thanks for your consideration.  You are reasonable to work with so I appreciate the listening.  Not sure if I will continue as you suggest - it's all getting pretty tiresome since no one seems to be interested in adding or cleaning up content.  I have a lot of Wiki-articles i'm interested in that I keep a look at, many of them weak - - overall edits adding content are very rare.  This Gyp article with all the effort on the talk page about references, many of them available online, and no one willing to transfer that understanding to the article?