There's history with me and the other editor that goes way beyond Wikipedia, which is why I can't take him at his word.  But nonetheless I went too far and got spanked, which I probably had coming.  Lesson learned  I'll put my money where my mouth is....If I ever do it again, you can give me a lifetime ban...finito, see ya bye.  I'm willing to stick my neck out if you're willing me work with me.  (talk)