friesers opinion is simple i guess. kursk was no turning point, german were on retreat before and after. i think hes correct. russians had more personnel before and after they improved their skill ( glantz ) this in combination forced germans to retreat only. the losses were not the problem, after the battle of kursk the tanks and infantry strenghts were more in favor for germans then before... , some weeks after kursk german tank strenghters were higher than before kursk ( zetterling )