Let me clarify my position. I do not believe that "New Wave" includes "punk." I believe that the underground music of the time (particularly of the New York scene) included both "New Wave" and "punk." They were two subsets of the same scene. "Punk" was harder, faster, and amateur, and unsophisticatednot difficult or challenging at all. It was anti-art. "New Wave" was more arty and sophisticated, oftentimes (but not necessarily) including keyboards, which punk never did. I would go so far as to say that in the UK pub rock scene a similar phenomenon happened (based on what Caroline Coon wrote in Melody Maker at the time), but I know less about it.