Josh- The debate that I "aggressively dismissed" turned out to not exist. I understand that I'm not going to get any apologies on that front, but take that for what it's worth. Butterfly, maybe my analogy wasn't apt, but no one has addressed the fact that everyone calls it the iPod. Maybe we should look at articles about the iPod in reliable sources. If it's commonly called the iPod we will call it that, if it's commonly referred to as "iPod" then I will cede my point. Acceptable?