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Twelve minutes is too long for you to wait? Particularly when the intelligent design and creationism articles are chalk full of this stuff? You never both to read Wikipedia articles on the subjects you are opining about to see what they say? And this argument has been had dozens of times previously on this page, and references provided. In fact, as I said before, one of the first New York Times articles on this movie had it right in the article, which we quoted. Sorry, but I am not impressed with your snide comment. Please strike it. (talk | ) "