June 2015 (UTC)
The only content under discussion here is the issue of "making". Would you please discuss that?  You have not discussed content in your last four remarks on this page. Working backwards, not in the one above, not in this one, not in this one, not in this one.  In this one you did, but as I pointed out, the comments were not on point and the sources you cited actually argued against PraceptiorIP's stance on "making". Please discuss content.  Thanks.   00:29, 21