dab is doing an admirable job of arguing for the "enemy". "For people who think humans are a biological species that somehow developed spirituality, the former applies. For people who think that humans are spiritual beings that somehow ended up inside a body, the latter applies." This captures the essence of the POV problem well.  Or as I sometimes ask my children, "Are we monkeys or are we children of God?"  It is a fundamental divergence of definition.  Yes, your taxobox is beautiful and fine, and I hope it stays.   - Talk 14:49, 30 Sep 2004 (UTC)