I wish I had never read Kelly Martin's bloody evidence - I was furious when I read what she had written and that clerks had allowed such a post to remain for so long.  Why on earth was it there, if it was not to respond to? -  You write, Fred, "a decent end to the matter" there is nothing "decent" about this case at all.  It was a pointless ill conceived case that should never have been brought, and I do wonder why exactly it was brought. If it did not have my name slap bang at the top of it I would have lost interest in weeks ago.  You are full aware you could detail "a number of infractions" concerning Kelly but you want "a decent end" - would then de-sysoping Geogre have been a "decent end"?

If it was meant to clear the air it has failed miserably.  There are now more unanswered questions and discontent than there ever was before.  My own view is that possibly the whole business should be abandoned, every shred of evidence and word written about it deleted beyond restore in the hope that mass amnesia may occur, but that is not going to happen.  So we must wade our miserable way through it until those who thought their machinations on IRC were more important than what occurs on Wikipedia accept they were wrong, or people die of old age.  I suspect the latter will be the sooner. However, we have started so we must finish it seems.

I read somewhere on WPANI someone saying what they tell their children in these matter, well I tell my boys if someone punches you, you punch them right back.  And while people keep saying "Giano should be quiet", "he was wrong to respond" others still keep throwing the punches, where will it end, I don't know, but I do doubt it will be "decent end"