new users 

I disagree, but I've had a similar conversation in the past wherein I made a number of compromises, giving links to varius newbie pages. It took me a (seemed to me to be anyway) long time to figure out what was going on here on the wiki. While Wikipedia:Welcome, newcomers is fine, and the Wikipedia:Tutorial and Wikipedia:Help desk links are good, they need to know what the mailing list is, and how to handle a dispute, etc... as well. I guess I disagree w your general complaint, but I am open to some specific suggestions, particularly if they don't involve shortening my list of links (which I get copious compliments on btw, have a look at my talk page archives).  [Spade] 17:06, 26 Jul 2004 (UTC)