That is why a discussion that immediately asks for a ban isn't a good idea, and the reason I pushed for a system in place for submitting evidence. One that takes a few days so it isn't decided in the heat of the moment, and gives everyone a chance to present evidence, instead of talking over each other and "voting" before any evidence is presented.  Not "like Arb", but a light weight system with some light duty structure and failsafes, so it will be a discussion, possibly deliberation, then a solution can be proposed. RAS was the wrong answer, but I think it had the right idea: slow down, stick to the facts.  - 2¢