Do you even read what people write on this talk page?  OrangeMike has consistently supported you, despite your willingness to attack him.  He has never engaged in personal attacks and has tried to soften everyone to your opinions on many an occasion.  He is also, in fact, not Madison centered, but has repeatedly debated in favor of the non-Madison-centric crowd.  On this issue, Miaers, you seem to have alienated yourself.  Everyone here is trying to remain civil, yet you just go to your old ad hominem standby and call us obnoxious and ignore our questions in favor of your usual "recall NPOV" comments.  Lets have a cup of tea and remember why we're here, Miaers.  Cheers,