::::: Yorkshirian, I can't see what purpose further discussion with you will serve here.  Uncle G is undoubtedly one of the most skilled people we have when it comes to nailing down the tricky bits of articles on tricky subjects, his refinement of this article (ably assisted by others) has resulted in something that accurately reflects the general view of EDL.  Your desire to use every conceivable article as a soapbox for your visceral hatred of "Trotskyites" is noted but not in the least bit relevant.  To be honest you appear to consider anyone to the left of Margaret Thatcher to be a Trotskyite and the Iron Lady herself as being suspiciously soft. I suggest you tone down the rhetoric or keep to articles on subjects that make you less angry. Guy ()