Kwami, it is not my idea that there is a phonemic opposition between J /r/ and J palatal /r'/, that is Trubetskoi. Also, just because something is not phonemic, that does not mean it doesn't deserve discussion under phonology. I'm not sure it's worth even trying now. YOu waste far too much time with your dogmatism and narrow-mindedness about almost everything under the topic 'linguistics'. 133.7.7.240