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Page Creation
So, I started the page. This is probably going to get heated, some people accusing me of saying the Course is a ""hoax"" and all that. But I think this is an issue worthy of a page on Wikipedia because this is an important aspect of the Course. This might be interesting and beneficial. 

  

This article needs to be merged with the ACIM article or deleted
It's an issue worthy of a section of the A Course In Miracles page. It definitely isn't worth a separate article. If, as you suggest, Jesus was a source, then it deserves to be part of that article. If He wasn't, then it doesn't deserve to be anywhere. Either way, it doesn't need a separate page. 

-...wha? 

Well, that's completely just an opinion on your part. Another member and I have been discussing this on the main A Course In Miracles page. We both agreed that this deserves its own page as the topic is too expansive to maintain within the already lengthy main ACIM page. Have you taken a look at the other aspects of ACIM that have pages of their own? This certainly deserves its own page as well. And I might add that this page is not about whether I say the Course is channeled/scribed from Jesus literally. It is intended as the beginnings of an article about what is actually said in the Course and the different perspectives among ""students"" and ""teachers"" of the Course. Whether I myself believe one way or another has no bearing on this topic or the page itself. 
 

The existing ACIM main article is already quite long, and is intended more to be a summary of ACIM (believe it or not).  This topic is clearly a more in depth treatment of one aspect of the philosophy of ACIM than the main article, and may require its own separate long article in order to treat this subject properly.  My sense is, why not give this article a couple of weeks to settle and develop before making any clear determination about where it belongs (or doesn't belong)?

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 I concur. The ACIM page is quite large, and this issue is quite large.  

Removed ""Merge"" notice

I removed the ""merge"" notice. So far, it is three to one that this should remain its own article. If someone thinks I should give it more time, then please replace the ""merge"" notice.   

""Exposing a hoax""

(Copied and pasted from discussion on main ACIM page.)

I think there is a huge misunderstanding here. I have never used the word ""hoax."" It appears to me that you and some others who have discussed this with me, seem to think I am attempting to expose the Course, and now Catholicism, as a hoax. If you understand what I am talking about with regard to symbols, then you understand that there is no intention to ""expose a hoax"" on my part. 

Is math a hoax to use ""5"" all the while there are no ""5"" characters out there in our physical world? I could stand here and go, ""Well, you know, math is all a lie, a hoax, because there really are no 5's. They've lied to you."" Or I can say, ""The human mind cannot comprehend the principles expressed in math without use of those symbols, such as the symbol '5'."" 

This is all I'm saying about the Course and Catholicism. 

If, as I believe, there was never literally a man who lived and was known as Jesus (and I'm not passionate about this topic one way or another, actually), then what I am saying is that even for the Catholic Church, Jesus is ultimately just a symbol. If the Catholic Church can be seen as ""math,"" then Jesus is their ""5"". Do you get what I mean? The symbol of ""Jesus"" stands for something that is very real, though the symbol itself might not have actually existed in concrete, physical reality. 

The ""Jesus"" in Catholicism (and I'm a former Catholic) often stood for persecution, suffering, agony, pain, and there is little argument from most that Catholicism brought exactly this to the world in many ways. Look at the Inquisition, and all the other horrible things the church did. And, for them, they did it in the name of ""Jesus."" For them, Jesus symbolizes the need to do all these things. The things they did in the name of the symbol are very real; though the symbol might not have actually existed in concrete, physical reality on this planet. 

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