right...sorry I didn't hear this argument before I edited. In response to "The paragraph was good as it was- given that none of us have access to the specific tilt technology Sony is using, and that they have explicitly denied that the Immersion suit was a reason", this isn't true; Immersion uses software filters just as Sony would; the type of rumble or motion sensor doesn't matter. I agree that Wikipedia shouldn't "prove them [Sony] liars", but they have serverely distorted the truth before. If you don't believe me, read the statement in the talk archives I started with "corporate speculation". Nevertheless, it was a bad implication; sorry. Nice edits by Dancter, and good job with all of the references. I like it how it is, everyone okay now? I don't think any of us are disputing the fact that Immersion's Touch Sense exists.