The information is perfectly reliable.  Some other folks have apparently given me some help and added references.  The "some people claim" information you are disputing is all over the internet.  You seem to know something about editting wikipedia - perhaps you should have given me a hand rather than arguing with me.  The fact you choose to argue rather than help out really makes me (and probably others) wonder why and weakens your own argument significantly.  ps This note was really added more for anyone who may read your page here and wonder how this issue was resolved - for you folks, please go see the MSG talk page and you'll see the debate is clearly in our favor.  Especially see how these guys made citations to argue with another guy that actually prove my original "some people claim" point.  VERY odd.