::Back to the umbrella-nom from hell.... I can't read through all of that mess on the CfD and talk pages, but I think that there is a critical misunderstanding that occurred (or maybe I am not reading things right).  It looks like the nominator was of the understanding that he had to nominate all of the subcats for deletion, even if he didn't want to have them deleted, just because he nominated the parent.  Am I not correct that he was only required to tag the categories in some fashion, not necessarily with a cfd specifically?  Couldn't he have instead used "cfdnotice" to tag the subcats and then point them to the discussion without deleting them?  He seems to think that the subcategories will break if the parent is removed, but if they are all children of other parents as well, they will just have one less parent and no problem.  Reading some of his comments, I think that he only really wants to delete the parent and some of the children, but thinks that he is "forced by process" to delete them all, instead of letting them just have one less parent.  Am I missing something?