::In truth, to my regret, I am unable to read Latin - the volume I have is parallel texts, transaltion by N.H.Watts (1931). To quote "West Wing": "Toby what you don't know would stop a team of oxen in its tracks." I like the poetry of "When arms speak..." but I can see it is not a literal translation. You comment on the size of the mob: I notice that Cicero claims that Clodius's country cottage had room for 1000 armed men in the basement... When arms speak - please let me be a long way away. Lord save me from "bloody men".