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 ==Find a source== 
 Could someone give me a source to a study showing that women who have only ever had one partner don't even think about penis size? I think its the fault of us men that women think about it. We encourage them to have multiple partners, not valuing their virginity, and then complain that our girlfriends and wives are comparing us to previous partners. Fact is, most women have their first orgasm at some point from a penis, ""large"" or ""small"", and are happy about it, and with the exceptio of micropenis, I'm sure any woman who can come can come with a below average-sized penis, and she can enjoy it her entire life, and not want anything else. Or, one of us men with a different penis can come along and try to do better, resulting in the whole issue of comparing penis sizes.  

 ==Comments== 
 23/4/5: I've added the witty riposte to the question 'how long is your cock?' published a few years ago. It belongs in Wikipedia somewhere, I think, but I'm not sure where. There's probably a better place ... 

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 My edit was that the size of their partners, rather than theirs, might be of concern. I think that is fair, but may have been ambiguously worded.   

 According to a class I'm taking in the Psychology department at the University of California, Santa Cruz, the issue of penis size is mostly relevant to the Western world. Editing the article accordingly; if you disagree, please cite research stating the contrary before doing so. (The text book we use is Our sexuality by Robert Crooks and Karla Baur.)   

 :I just checked the text book, and I can't find the text I was thinking of, it must have been mentioned in class. As I can't find a proper reference, I'll just refrain from editing the article. If anyone _does_ have a reference, please edit the article.   

 == 2 or 2.5 Standard deviations? == 

 The micropenis article says a micropenis is 2.5 SD's or more less than average is known as a micropenis, whereas this node gives 2 SD's. Could someone with medical reference material or the appropriate know-how please make these articles consistent, or if there is no consensus, add that these are loosely defined terms?  00:42, 2004 Jun 13 (UTC) 

 It's like ""short stature"" for goodness' sake. I suspect 2 different people wrote the sentences in the two articles originally. Of course it's arbitrary! If you really want to know the real, actual, honest-to-God major purpose of the diagnosis ""micropenis"" it's so your insurance company will pay for the doctor consultation if we wrote ""normal variation,"" you'd have to pay the bill yourself. (No offense intended of course... I just finished answering your quibble at talk:micropenis). If you want to check a penis growth curve, you can find one in Jones' Smith's Recognizable Patterns of Human Malformation published by Saunders. 
 

 It makes sense that it's a fuzzily defined term, I just wonder if we should be giving exact numbers (without any indications of fuzziness like 'about' or 'approximately'), and inconsistent ones at that in that case. Have you got any preference for stating 2 or 2.5? I suggest we update both articles to give the same number using the word 'approximately'.  23:26, 2004 Jun 13 (UTC) 

 OK, you asked nicely and I'm feeling guilty for my sarcasm. Here are some specifics: 

 #Grumbach MM, Styne DM. Puberty: ontogeny, neuroendocrinology, physiology, and disorders. Chapter 24 of Larsen et al. Williams' Textbook of Endocrinology, 10th ed. Philadelphia: Saunders, 2003. ""The phallus is most accurately measured stretched while in the flaccid state as there is much variation between individuals in the length of the unstretched penis. The length of the erectile tissue (excluding the foreskin) increases from an average of 6.2 cm in the prepubertal to 12.4 +/-2.7cm in the white adult. Ethnic differences have been noted; the mean value in black men is 14.6 cm and in Asians 10.6 cm."" (The reference for the last (politically incorrect) statement is Sutherland et al. The effe