:::::Rob, first of all, I have NEVER said that I'd "drag my friends into this" never once, and it'd be wise to take back that accusation. There have been other people I could accuse of that, but it's not me, and it's not TJ, to my knowledge. The reason Miles' 'compromise' was unacceptable, was because it added too much clutter. A reason why the current system is best, is that it does not make the article any longer than it already is, it blends in with the list, it keeps all the information together, etc, etc. And if people are not willing to go for mediation, no matter how unorthodox it could be, then how do you expect this to end? You expect people to just magically say "Oh, we were wrong, you were 100% correct, we are sorry."? That will not happen from either side. You can't say "compromise" if it's not a compromise that both sides can agree on, and so far, there has not been anything acceptable.