, 16 July 2009 (UTC) 
 :Okay, I am off to go better tweak the Todd Manning article and cut down on the section we discussed above. I may still create some type of Todd and Marty article about the original and "second rape," but until then...some of this commentary detail about "the second rape" will have to be disregarded from Todd's article. I will come back here and ask you what you think about the trim after I am done.   21:46