== Santur masters == 

 Kamkar's ?  No one is disputing that the Kamkar's are great musicians.  Wikipedia has a path to include a "Notable Musicians" which has to have a certain amount of achievements to be characterized and included.  Mattijoon since you seem to be an expert on the subject, why don't you add the kamkar's to the notable musicians list in wikipedia, so they can be added to the list of Santur players? 

 and your comment: "Sadeghi who as expat is famous out of Iran...."  = First of all you need to learn English before coming online and making dumb statements.   

 Sadeghi is NOT an "expat" and he is considered the Grand Master of the Santur.  Why> because he is the last of Saba's students who is still alive, performing and continues to teach.   

 ...."at least not by the Persian musicians I know"   which musicians do you know?  name them.  Persian pop singers don't count. 

 There is a lot of hate and animosity on this page, both from Iraqi people who have been battling the historical origin of the PERSIAN SANTUR.   

 and from Persian santur players who are upset because they can't fill out the required fields to include themselves in the notable musician sections (probably because they haven't achieved what they need, to be included). 

 MANOOCHEHR SADEGHI WILL ALWAYS BE CONSIDERED GREATEST SANTUR PLAYER OF ALL TIME.  NO ONE HAS EVER SURPASSED HIS TECHNIQUE, SPEED OR STYLE BOTH IN PERSIAN CLASSICAL AND IN IMPROVISATIONAL MUSIC. 

 THAT MAY BOTHER PEOPLE WHO ARE NEGATIVE AND DECIDE TO COME ON HERE AND MAKE STUPID COMMENTS = BUT THE TRUTH HURTS AND IT'S SAD THAT WE ARE ARGUING OVER MUSIC AND MUSICIANS. 

 CONFUCIUS SAID: IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANYTHING GOOD TO SAY:  STICK A CORK IN IT