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 == WP:NOTHOWTO == 

 Why does this article have an ""Illicit production"" section? Is there any good reason this article gets an exemption from WP:NOTHOWTO? Most articles on synthetic drugs don't have such a section.    

 :I'm sorry, but that is just laugh out loud funny. There is an illicit production section because there is an illicit production epidemic with methamphetamine. ""Most articles on synthetic drugs don't have such a section."" Maybe that's because most synthetic drugs are not made illicitly, even if they have a potential for abuse, you cannot illicitly produce most synthetic drugs yourself. This is a methamphetamine phenomenon, and what's laughable is that you think it's some sort of instruction manual? I can't dignify that with an answer, and I shouldn't even have dignified this with a response. It's a ridiculous notion that you have introduced, and I suggest you do some more research to educate yourself. I wasn't trying to be rude, it's just offensive to the people who have contributed to the whole article, and that includes this section.    

 ::I'm sorry you are upset and offended, but yes, I do think the synthesis descriptions act as a basic instruction manual. Would you object to rewording the section in less procedural terms, on principle?    

 :That policy says that an article should not read like a how-to manual - it's not a call for censorship but a matter of style.  We don't say ""first add this, then this, shake, wait 15 minutes"".  We do explain the process conceptually.  I've looked up this article just now because I saw perhaps the same AP article you did, namely http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-501367_162-57363650/ap-impact-meth-fills-hospitals-with-burn-patients/ .  This makes the shake-and-bake method notable and appropriate for Wikipedia to cover.  The current version is indeed woefully incomplete.  What makes it moral to cover this is if we use the opportunity and do our job of getting comprehensive information to those who request it, namely, explaining to the would-be soda pop bottle rebels exactly how their procedure can turn into a nightmare.  (Have you ever seen Trauma: Life in the ER?  It looks like someone shaving meat for a döner...)  Now there are indeed how-to sites out there, such as  (incidentally, I would not recommend joining in that conversation, as some of the questions seem phrased so as to support a conspiracy charge).  There are little nuggets of joy in there like 
 ::""Brace yourself for a blowout of biblical proportions. Do yourself a favor.. While your standing there with the bottle still in your hand with your ears ringing so scared your afraid to look at your hand b/c your not sure you still have one. (This happened to me 3 times) When you realize your hand is still intact b/c its still holding the bottle with a gigantic fucking hole in it this is when you have roughly 3 minutes to grab a shitload of kitty litter before the lithium firework display starts. THUD THUD THUD THUD. Fire here, fire there. Oh shit.. now the sodium/potassium nitrate is on fire!!! Panic... throw water on it... j/k.. but I know ppl who freaked out and did just that. Long story short... one guy in particular was burnt so bad his gf took him to the ER b/c they were afraid of LE intervention calling 911. Guess what they came home too?? Punch line... What home!"" 
 :Now of course we can't cite a bunch of meth heads gabbing on a forum but we can see if we can use the leads we find in such ways to get to solid sources about how these things go wrong.  Chemistry is not innately doomed to blow up; you just have to treat the would-be chemists with respect and foster an adult understanding of what they are contemplating, even if it doesn't seem very wise.    

  
 I'm satisfied with deletion of unsourced statements pertaining to ingredients and precursors and no longer have any concerns with the section in particular.  

 I do have some general concerns that if we're going to talk about synthesis, we should make an effort to link to authoritative external harm reduction-based guides, but I would prefer that we not talk about the precursors and synthesis process at all.  I ask others to join me in keeping an eye on this, and if consensus develops for replacing precursor information or including detailed synthesis information (which I still believe is against [[WP:NOT