::: And the "answer" I got was VERY telling .. at least to me.  There are times it appears that those who thump their chest the most about the all hailed "civility" - are actually so much more disruptive, and counterproductive, than the folks who simply say what they are thinking.  Oh well - there seem to be plenty of eyes on it now.  I guess all we can do is await the outcome - and then go through the whole thing again a month from now.  So much time wasted on giving folks WP:ROPE, when clearly the AGF has been thoroughly exhausted - but I suppose that is the way of the wiki world.  Nice to meet you by the way  - I hope your other ventures here are enjoyable ones.  Best. —