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 === State atheism vs Secular State === 
 Worth mentioning the difference between the two?    
 :From what I've seen, it is not unusual to encounter persons who are under-informed in this area (perhaps such persons are reading the article to improve this situation). I think that it would be useful to work a statement similar to the lead sentence of the Secularism article into the lead paragraph of this article, and to wikilink that article.    (earlier Boracay Bill)  
 ::I was lazy and copied in the blurb from the Secular State article instead.    
 :::I removed the section because not only was it missing a source which connected it to state atheism, but it was also completely without sources.  The secular state article itself could use some work.  No sense in importing that sloppy material to here, especially if there is no source which connects that subject to this one.  I'm not opposed to a properly sourced section being introduced if reliable sources deal with the connections and distinctions between the two subjects.     

 === Title is wrong and needs to be fixed === 

 Atheism, anti-theism, secularism, anti-clericalism, anti-religion, are all pretty clearly defined on wiki.  ""State atheism"", as the title, is an incorrect use of the term.  It is a combination of ""state""(a governed nation, see state) and ""atheism""(a lack of belief ...).  It literally is secularism, or the lack of a state from being religious or believing, and does not contain the idea that the state hates religion and suppresses it or fights it/destroys it.  That, is by very definition, ""state anti-theism"" or ""state-sponsored atheism"" and this is what the title should be. 

 However!  

 Although the current title is wrong, it is understood in common usage and herein lies the problem.  Sources need to be found that more clearly define the definition of 'state atheism' and the positions of 'state-sponsored atheism' or 'state anti-theism' other than what this Kowalewski guy thinks(there looks to be only one source for the current definition).  The article basically needs to be changed like this: 

 Title: ""state-sponsored atheism or state anti-theism is ..."", or something like that, and a search for ""state atheism"" redirects to this page. 

 There needs to be, in the first section, something that basically states ""state-sponsored atheism is 'blah blah blah' But, in common usage the term 'state atheism' is the promotion of state anti-theism, and Kowalewski defines it in this manner. 

 The title is wrong and it needs to be fixed.  However, there needs to be a section in there that states that many people understand 'state atheism' to be everything that 'state antitheism' actually is.(  ) 

 :State atheism is not the same as state secularism.  Notwithstanding your personal preferences for terminology and taxonomy, this article is based on reliable sources and uses the terminology found in them, not your terms.    

 ===Shouldn't antitheism be a much better word than atheism=== 

 Considering the word ""atheism"" means lack of belief and that this article is explaining something that is against religion, so shouldn't antitheism be a much better word for this? As it describes the belief of going against religion.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by   •    

 ==NPOV issues== 

 === NPOV === 

 My edits were reverted   (and one of those edits goes further, also removing the pre-existing mention of Dawkins). It seems that claims against atheism are allowed without any sources whatsoever - and any request for them is deleted without explanation. Whilst cited sources on the opposing side are deleted as being ""unreliable"". 

 This is handled far better at Criticism of atheism - though even there, people are concerned about undue weight, se