::::Thanks for stepping in and trying get the discussion back on track. If you can't tell, I'm really frustrated by SamEV's treatment of me over the last couple of months on that page, acting like he's the only person trying to improve the article! Morenooso's attitude didn't help any either. That article could always use more sets of eyes to protect it from POVer and vandlas, but it's no good if the "owners" run off all the experienced editors! Anyway, I've moved on (mostly!) I do appreciate the help. Email may if you have any "constuctive" pointers. -