What do you mean come to some sense? Have you looked at my position and why I proposed that the EU/NATO values be included? Where did I say there is such a thing as a 'Military of Europe'? 
 : And, as I also said, the debate has not really be settled, one new editor felt the urge to remove NATO/EU twice, and twice I mentioned this RFC and asked for their input. 
 : But as I said, I am not going to bang on about it as this RFC is pretty much a non starter. And no one else seems to mind that the procedure was ignored.