"Elonka has raised two issues, first concerning the role of admins, second concerning my statement about Jagz being a racist troll.  First, I cannot disagree with you more strongly about admins being authority figures.  Wikipedia is an open society in which the only authority figures are Jimbo, for legal reasons, and Arb Com, which has a limited mandate.  Admins are given the ability to perform certain technical tasks that are required for the functioning of the community.  They should never use these abilities to serve their own interests, and should never claim that their being given certain technical tasks to perform in any way gives them any kind of authority.  In fact, I believe that to encourage the view that admins are authority figures does tremendous damage to the Wikicommunity.  People new to Wikipedia may look for an authority structure because most people who come to Wikipedia come from highly authoritarian societies.  We need to disabuse them of this notion.  Wikipedians have few obligations but the very nature of the wikicommunity dmands that its members resist attempts to create authoritarian structures.  I have never, absolutely never refered to my status as admin in any dispute with any editor.  It is not relevant; I do not make it relevant; those who believe it is relevant are mistaken; those who insist it is relevant are doing damage to the community.  In my dealings with Jagz I appealed, as I do with any other disagreement with any other editor, to common sense and wikipedia policies, and nothing more.  Conversely, the fact that he was not an admin had no bearing on our conflict either.  I know that there are those at Wikipedia who believe that Wikipedians should be divided into classes with different privileges and expectations.  What does Elonka mean when she says there are ""junior members"" of Wikipedia?  Anyone can edit at any time; that is all that really counts here and it is a right given to absolutely anyone.  What does Elonka mean when she says that there are ""junior members"" who ""dream"" of becoming aminds?  Does she mean that they dream of having authority or of being authority figures?  I hope to high heaven not, because that is not what Wikipedia is about and we should fight any attempt to make it so.  If people want to dream of ecoming authority figures they can play Dungeons and Dragons, or they can be active in Everything2 which is sent up to promote explicit levels of authority.  Wikipedia is not, which is why I am inactive at Everything2 and am active here.  I consider this abhorrent and will oppose it until I leave or am kicked out.  Elonka is free to disagree with me but as far as I am concerned she is dead wrong. 

 Second, Elonka thinks that my calling Jagz a racist troll is a ""personal attack"" and ""incivil.""  I am confused.  Is Elonka saying there are no such thing as trolls?  Or is she saying we should tolerate trolls?  Wikipedia has long had a guideline, ""do not feed the trolls"" (WP:DNFTT).  Why would we have such a guideline, if there were no trolls?  Is Elonka proposing that we do away with the ""do not feed the troll"" guideline?  Well, she is free to write her own essay on the topic.  But I have been here a long time and next to people who dig authority trips, trolls are the greatest menace I know of to the project.  When a troll is active at Wikipedia it is essential that we identify them and ncourage others not to feed them, which is precisely what I did.  Elonka is right that I have been around a long time.  If this matters at all to newbies, it can only matter because of what I have learned from experience and what I have learned is how to recognize trolls, and that we should have a zero-tolerance approach to them.  I cannot believe that anyone who would call themselves a responsible member of Wikipedia would actually disagree with this view and suggest that we should on the contrary feed trolls.  That is just absurd.  Are you really saying we should delete WP:DNFTT Elonka? 

 Also, I called Jagz a racist because every disruption of his was motivated by his insistence on giving prominence to the view that blacks are inherently less intelligent than whites.  Sorry, Elonka, but that is racism.  And racism is wrong.  Do you really believe racism is right, Elonka?  Then we have another area where we disagree.  But let there be no mistake: ir is racism which is incivil and an attack on others.  To criticize someone for racism is to criticize someone for attacking others and for being incivil ... indeed, it is to criticize someone for being worse than incivil.  And look, kif we Wikipedians are told to reject incivility, then surely, we should reject racism even more strongly.  Do you think Wikipedia should tolerate racism, and allow its pages to be used to promote racism, Elonka? 

 Finally, Elonka believes that my assertion that people who considered Jagz' calling Mathschi a ""fucking bastard"" who