, 30 June 2006 (UTC) 

 :I've read what might be done before an AfD, thanks. How long had the article already been tagged? How much time had already been wasted on discussion? Was it a hopeless case? I thought so and the page was getting worse because you and Piper were determined to use it as a platform for every possible statistic you could find supporting astrology (statistics which, interestingly, Chris has called dubious) and synthesizing them to produce OR. I misled no one. That's the last thing I'm going to say about this accusatory bullshit.   

 :Do I wish to categorize astrology under "physical sciences, mathematics and medicine"? I posted that because: 

 :a) I wanted to reiterate that our content policies rely on a scientific sources (again, as a methodology as much as a viewpoint) which you seem unable to accept.  

 :b) Insofar as this page makes any mathematical/statistical or physical science claims at all, scientific publications have primacy in how we cite, categorize etc. Put it this way: if we were to declaim any recourse to a scientific methodology for the astrology citations like the Mars effect and truly, actually, and only describe this as a faith, then the pseudoscience label would be unnecessary. But you can't have your cake and eat it: suggest that astrology may have a scientific basis on the one hand, and reject the majority scientific label on the other.  11:54