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 :::::::I think we are moving towards an agreement here, namely to a body text with references.  So I am happy to move in that direction (and will have some time over the weekend, or happy for someone else to draft.   For the moment I am putting the reference back in as we don't want to loose it in the meantime, and wikipedia is not a democracy 2:1 does not overcome WP:BRD VOBO, especially when a discussion is taking place and an alternative path is being explored.     "