:::: whats your point, i never said anything contradicting what you just wrote, My point was exclusive to Caesar and Cicero. My point was that Caesar's role in his life doesn't warrant a bust in the article, I did not make an all encompassing statement about other biographies depicting people other then the subject. My point was that if your going to depict somebody, why not those who killed them, Augustus and Antony, arguably killing him is more important. (arguing the devils advocate, i don't actually want either in Cicero's page, just trying to make a point)