Also, in response to your responses to my arguments the LA Times article says that LAX is not yet on the same level as SFO but may well eventually be. I'm not just blowing smoke up everyone's butt saying it hasn't happened yet based on my own oppinion with no sources. In terms of of T3. You found the minutes from a budget meeting talking about improvements but I can't find any highly publicized statements about a "new terminal" as you and others had suggested in our previous discussion to rival that which taking place at SFO and it isn't just Virgin's operation is small right now in that terminal compared to Alaska's which has a full fledged hub operating in it.