:::this is beyond silly, Hink. I never said the 1780 storm wasn't one of the worst hurricanes ever. if you want to have a debate: tell me how it rivals Katrina. Wilma is also deserving of its status. you are completely in error about Ike. it will be one of the top 8 in damages. I agree there is a chance that it might have damages of less than $16 billion, but most likely it won't. you are VERY wrong about waiting and seeing what the figures turn out to be. by then you will have some new "trumped-up rationale" as to why it doesn't fit. go ahead and make your points; I still say you are in error. by the way, if you want to discuss music, let's do that too. I probably am more of a music expert than you, but that is beside the point. feel free to quote me, but please get my points correctly. 

 :: I am not trying to be obtuse or pick arguments. I just think you guys are living in a fantasy world. you might need to go outdoors more often. unplug your computers?