:::::::::*"W. Frank's mythical emails have nothing to do with it" You are suddenly singing a different tune Alison, does this mean you will now be proposing a motion that WF is banned for telling lies about VK and trying to dop him in the mire, when in fact all VK did (on this occasion) was make a veiled reference to a street in Glasgow where WF may or may not live.  I live in a part of London with a near identical name, perhaps he meant to send the email to me! This is all becoming too stupid for words.