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 :Jrv: actually, beer with lager yeast brewed at ale temperatesthat you say is "probably nasty tasting"is in fact how steam beer is made.  Whether you think it's nasty or not is another matterit was traditionally considered inferior, but it is a style that has been long appreciated and has been renewed by craft brewers especially on the west coast.  The style is also known as "California common".   06:38, 26 Apr 2005