2005 (UTC) 

 ===Redux=== 

 I was speaking to a Chinese guy on IRC, and I got this info, any comments? 

 http://88.96.32.194/~spectre/chinese.txt  

  these words can't be translated directly by cutting them from some full sentences 
  in different sentences (maybe like different suitation) , they have different meanings, 
  first, the word "fuck" in english is a derogatory term 
  yeah this is correct 
  but the first two words in 4 is usually a commendatory term 
  i can translate these two sentences word by word, maybe you can understand something 
  ok 
  first: mother fucker, national border go to die 
  sec: mother fuck, national border can go to die 
  ok 
  so how would you personally translate it ? 
  chinese is not like english, one word can express varied meanings by putting in different sentences 
  first, it's more like an slogan, battle cry 
  slogan is fine 
  the english is a slogan too 
  it contain some commendatory emotion 
   first: mother fucker, national border go to die 
   sec: mother fuck, national border can go to die 
  ^ do these make sense 
  can you understand what is meant by them? 
  yes, I know these two sentences more like some one is abusing 
  abusing ? 
  what? 
  abusing and offending people 
  e.g. 
  if someone offend me, and I am so angry then I will say "Fuck ***" 
  ok 
  so this is like "the national borders offend me, I am angry so "fuck the national borders"" 
  that should be the someone abusing others suitation 
  yup, in some way , you can understand like that 

  
 I wasn't quite sure what "commendatory" meant and we couldn't quite crack it. If anyone wants to shed some light on this, cool ) 

 -  23:46, 17 October