She had a point about David leavitt his stament on the page of Titikio.  
 But there was a lot more to it. 
 Back than was a year that the Old english Bulldog page was changed a lot( i think you guys name it a wikiwar ) and often with wrong information. 
 The leavitt bulldog page was still not running or better was deleted a couple of times. 
 David Leavitt looked for a way to inform the peolple correctly and posted up the link a view times but becuase Titikio kept deleting it David Leavitt left a note on his page. 
 But like I wrote this afternoon we indeed share the same old bloodlines but after 10 years we have more separate blood lines than just having the Old English bulldog to work with we have crossed more new lines the last 10 years. 
 We breed more and with a bigger breeders group 20 breeders and now we have a different look or like they say appearance which i think established already before with the diagrams. 
 Also his mention of being in the same show ring with OEB’S is treu but there is also more to it we have not only the OEBKC dogs but also the  Renascence bulldogs ,Alternative Bulldogs and all other Bulldog mixes in the same ring. 
 This was because the breed was not recognized and all show hosts end up putting all OEB or OEB mixes in the same show ring. 
 All over the world you can breed a dog like poodle to an OEB and still it is called OEB. 
 So that is were David leavitt cry for help came from why else start with 3 x please?? 
 But like i said I'm all for not work on eachoter page -)  
 Gr Barry