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 ==Irish placenames== 

 Please do not change the introduction format of Irish placenames. The format (Ainm bhaile in Irish) is the preferred format in use for the most part. The other format, which I originally used myself, is indeed still in use in some articles, but should be changed to the above, rather than the opposite action. If the English meaning is known and not discussed in the article text, use the format (Ainm bhaile in Irish, meaning ""Irish placename meaning""). 

 If you aren't happy with the suggested format above, we could see which format has consensus at Wikipedia:Irish Wikipedians' notice board. 

 Thanks! 

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 :Fair enough: I'm not unhappy at all with the suggested format, Zoney. Just trying to be consistent, having observed e.g. Irish: Cill Chainnigh to be the more commonly used of the two formats. Seems I must have been unfortunate in the sample I looked at!    

 == Irish towns == 

 Great work going through all the articles fixing things!  ♣   
 :No probs, Zoney. My pleasure (Phew! I thought you were going to be mad at me for meddling...)    

 == Ireland == 

 As regards: 
 :are you really saying that the UK consists of three countries plus ""a part""? 
 Yes, that is what I am saying. I understand some feel differently and I respect that, but I do not consider there to be such thing as ""Northern Irish"". Northern Ireland is part of Ireland (despite being within the UK still politically), people there are Irish (as much as someone in England is English, in Scotland - Scottish, in Wales - Welsh) albeit with the disclaimer that they aren't necessarily Irish in the sense of having citizenship in the Irish state (that is personal preference). They are just as much British as anyone in GB if they so recognise. 
 Because of the issue of Irish also meaning ""of the Irish state"", non-nationalist people in NI are left in the situation of usually just saying they are British, from NI, or ""Northern Irish"" (less usual). 
 Ultimately, one half of NI don't really have a national identity (British is not a national identity - it's a citizenship matter), as they have been disenfranchised by the use of ""Irish"" to mean ""of the Republic of Ireland"". 
 The rugby teams are a perfect example of how, ignoring political jurisdictions, there are four nations in the British Isles. 
 There was no real issue with being British citizen, but also Irish nationality, before 1922. 
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 :But you are here discussing nations and states, not countries. The islands of Britain and Ireland (however defined) are between them the home to two states, four nations, and five countries.    

 == Irish geography/places == 

 Some people would like to see Republic of Ireland (or NI) unambiguously everywhere anything Irish is mentioned. 

 To compromise, I have attempted, as much as possible with town articles etc., to link both Republic of Ireland/Northern Ireland and Ireland. 

 So Cork would be a city in the Republic of Ireland, on Ireland's south coast. (That's obviously a shortened example). 

 NI is even more