"==Archiving== 
 I just noticed that I cut off some quite recent edits in archiving. Please move anything you consider important back to the main talk page, and accept my apologies.   

 == Wroking draft == 

 In arguments, the term truth refers to the affirmation or ""validity"" of a statement, in whole or part.  
 * arguments defines a very very broad context. Perhaps its not appropriate here, but any discussion of truth must rest on some logic. the generalization of logic to include human interaction is called ""argument"". 
 * ""whole or part"" is redundant - a statement can refer to any atomic part of a larger statement -SV  
 Statements which are contradicted by argument are referred to as ""untrue"" or ""false."" 
 * Jim is right about this one - contradicted needs replacing. Using ""invalid"" would be prejudicing the outcome - some term which gives insight to the process of validation would be appropriate here -SV  
 This basic binary usage is found in logic and philosophy as well, and within these areas the concept is typically abstracted to greater aspects of human thought to define both processes for deriving true statements as well as variances or valuations of truth. 

 In the transition from philosophy to religion, truth has come to have further abstracted meaning.  
 * This defines the degrees of scale for which the term truth commonly applies. From the basic binary logic, to argument (with variable logics) to abstracted and generalized philosophy, to spirituality - which asserts its own definitions (frameworks) for universals and fundamentals. -SV 
 An example is ""truth"" used as a singular concept which contains all elemental and fundamental truths, as they have come to be learned and understood within reality. In religious usage, ""the truth"" often refers to a spiritual concept of reality.  

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 ::It should not need saying, but: 
 ** an argument can be valid without being true; 
 ** a statement can be true without being affirmed, and affirmed without being true; 
 ** it is debatable as to whether truth rests on logic, or logic on truth; 
 ** not all statements that are contradicted by an argument are untrue; nor are all statements that are supported by an argument true.   

 Thank you, Banno.  I would have left off your final sentence, but aside from that I agree.    
 :yes, that was a bit rude. My appologies. Born of frustration.   

 ::It should not need saying, but: 
 ** there are definitions for truth 
 ** defintions are words described by other words 
 ** sucky writing sucks down the whole wikipedia 
 ** the current version sucks major ass 
 ** talk pages are for working out which terms to use  
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 ==Something along these lines?== 
 *There is no single definition of truth that is not also controversial; rather there are various complementary and contrary definitions. Most theories agree that saying that a statement is true can sometimes be simply a way of agreeing with the statement, but some theories maintain that truth can mean more than that. There are also differences between theories regarding how to test claims of truth, and also about sorts of utterances can properly be called true or false.    
 It has been proposed that correspondence theory might also merit special mention in intro - perhpas because it is the most common naive view of truth, it should be   

 ==Correspondence Theory== 

 To what ""fact"" or ""reality"" does 2+2=4 correspond? What facts make ""I promise to pay you $50"" a true promise? Correspondence theories do not have simple answers for such questions.  

 :2 + 2 = 4 is true if properly applied.  I take two jellybeans.  I take two more jellybeans.  I count  yes I have four  the statement is true.  Grade school kids amuse themselves improperly applying 2 + 2 = 4, and discover something about hidden assumptions.  Two rabbits plus two rabbits, etc.  The statement ""I promise..."" is an interesting case, because it corresponds with its own reality  in making the statement, you make the promise.  You can promise falsely, but you cannot falsely say ""I p