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 == Better handling of inductees into national Halls of Fame == 

 I would like to change the criteria for being listed in this article from the current ""must have made at least 100 competitive first team appearance for the club OR have been voted Player of the Year by the fans"" to ""must have made at least 100 competitive first team appearance for the club OR have been voted Player of the Year by the fans OR must have been inducted into one or more of the three (MCFC, NFM or SFM) Halls of Fame.""  All of the 25 current MCFC HoF inductees are already on this list, as one would expect (note: to easily verify them all simply hit the sort button twice at the top of the ""HoF"" column), so if we extended the criteria to include just the MCFC HoF inductees nothing would change (and that is indeed another option to consider). 

 However, if we extend the criteria to include inductees of any of the three HoF (as I'm suggesting) then the only addition to the current list, as far as I can determine, would be Denis Law.  Although he achieved the greatest portion of his football notoriety on the other side of Manchester he was hardly ""chopped liver"" in his two stints with the Blues.  He is not the greatest nor the most iconic City player by any means, but according to the first sentence of that article, it ""is a list of notable footballers who have played for Manchester City.""  It strikes me that Denis Law is a VERY notable footballer that has played for Manchester City (not once, but twice) so his omission from that list is a bit bizarre IMO.  Your thoughts please.  Talk  

 :I'm neutral either way, but I think the question you should ask yourself is this: do you want to add Law because you want to change the inclusion criteria, or do you want to add a criterion so that you can add Law? While we should strive to create a list that shows all of City's notable players in general, what makes an individual player notable or not is more than a little bit POV, and while I agree with the idea that Law is a notable City player, I could make cases for other players to be added to this list that your new criterion does not solve. The danger with that is you then set a precedent for inventing new criteria every time you think someone else should be on the list, and eventually that could well boil over and turn into one of the many hundreds of arguments debates on what or who counts as worthy of adding to list. To cite just one case which I have a personal involvement in, check out how massively over-expanded List of association football club rivalries by country has become - so bloated that it has been forced into name changes twice and has been put under AfD votes several times for failing to serve its original mandate and becoming more of a data-dump - not to mention constant accusations of POV. I'm not saying that will happen, nor that it will ever get so bad as that horrible article, but that's the risk to my eyes. I won't oppose adding this criterion so long as we don't later decide that the list of criteria is still insufficient and that another 100 players should be added... 

 :I should add that I'm also not convinced (though I don't feel strongly enough to move from my ""on the fence"" neutrality) that players who earned accolades for their time playing with other clubs should be added here for those accolades. City have had a lot of players over the years who were famous because of who they used to play for, and while Law will always be a legend for something he didn't actually do ;) we shouldn't kid ourselves that his time with City earned him that HoF place. We could add quite a few more players for such things. A good case in point is the (brief) inclusion of Ryan Giggs to the main article because he played for our youth team. We may have nurtured him for a while, but he did not become anything special while with us, and it's worse that he's most famous for his time with our bitter enemies. I wouldn't want to think that we were cashing in on players we were only ever a bit on the side to. It might be a bit like emblazoning our pages with ""Fowler is God"". 

 :Food for thought anyway.    

 ::On inclusion criteria, I agree with what Falastur says. I like using the club hall of fame as it indisputably refers to achievement in Manchester City colours, and does not require us to make a judgement call. Denis Law's record transfer and backheel are major parts of his