==Awesome help== 
 I left such a mess of things and I'm thankful for your time. I'm one of those that goes back and forth to different articles adding what little I can as I go then start getting vertigo trying to keep the Henrys and Philips and Kiliaens straight, in addition to them swapping middle names ...I sorta picture a cup stacking competition, it was a Dutch tradition they must have been looking into the future thinking "lets see if they can figure this maze out". ... anyway I greatly appreciate your help....