::::::::::Yworo, but what if one source says one thing and another says another thing. Surely the conclusion really is that "astrologers may or may not believe ...". Is this not the case? Either way the entire paragraph should probably be edited. What astrologers generally believe is that there is a law of correspondance whereby celestial motions correlate with mundane ones - the law of correspondance can be summed up as 'as above, so below' from the emerald tablets. Either way, the sentence as it stands is misleading, what I meant in my earlier post was that I would source a less misleading author and amend as necessary. I'm happy to post it here first for scrutiny and debate if you like. Also you suggest that astrologers do not believe that the planets influence people and events. In terms of causation, that is true, but the way it is worded makes it sound like the celestial placements have no relevance to mundane or human affairs, which isn't true. That's probably part of the confusion. "Few astrologers believe that the movements and positions of celestial bodies either directly influence life on Earth or correspond to events experienced on a human scale" simply isn't true, most astrologer believe that they CORRESPOND to events experienced on a human scale, just not that planetary motion CAUSES this to happen. I will find the relevant authors etc. and make the correction here first (under a new paragraph probably) for it to be debated.