, 30 December 2007 (UTC) 
 ::I'm glad that you hold that opinion William.  Unfortunately, we have a link above from another climate scientist saying that the two are synonymous.  How about the other quote listed above, then?  
 :::"I have studied their climate models and know what they can do. The models solve the equations of fluid dynamics and do a very good job of describing the fluid motions of the atmosphere and the oceans. They do a very poor job of describing the clouds, the dust, the chemistry and the biology of fields and farms and forests. They do not begin to describe the real world that we live in." 
 ::This quote is more recent anyway.  It's clear that he doesn't believe in the ability of climate modeling to do much of anything; you're just nitpicking to keep such a major name off of this list.   18:39