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 What the heck? There is no reason for this maddening debate. Silversmith offered a compromise, lets just use both dates. All this hysteria and theoretical offense is bordering on trolling. Frankly I find the idea that we'd use anything other than A.D. and B.C. on the Jesus page rather offensive. 

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 :Please explain why you think that our NPOV policy should be suspended for the Jesus article? (But to reitterate, I do accept the ""use both"" compromise, which you seem to endorse, as long as the difference between the two systesm is explained).    |    

 I obviously don't think that, indeed if we were to follow NPOV we'd ignore the bizarre ""I'm offended by A.D."" POV, as being too small a minority view to include here, and discuss it on the Anno Domini article instead... Unfortunately NPOV is ignored early and often in favor of egocentrism on the wiki, much to our collective shame. If you want to see more of what I think, click . ''''''''''   

 :I am glad that you reall do accept that I find AD offensive — when some claim I am faking it, that is incredibly offensive.  I am, however, disappointed that you think that my being offended is ""bizarre.""  That you do not share my reasons, or maybe do not underdstand my reasons, does not mean my views are irrational.  And to suggest so is not only offensive, it undermines our NPOV policy which requres that we do not judge (in articles, yes, I don't want to censor you on a talk page) views different from our own.  However, I take strong issues with your ""too small a minority view.""  Not only is it not as small as you think, but as I have explained many times, NPOV is not based on numbers.    |    

 I don't think your views are irrational, I think they are bizarre (extremely abnormal and shocking). NPOV is NPOV. Our opinions as editors are not encyclopedic. Cite someone being offended already! ''''''''''   

 : If it's a question of being offended, I and I believe a number of other wikipedians were offended when this page was renamed from Jesus Christ to just Jesus. Given that ""Jesus Christ"" is a well known appellation used extensively in literature and culture, to the point of even being used as a swear word, deleting ""Christ"" from the title still strikes me as an attack on Christianity, not a search for something more neutral. The disambiguation notice currently says that the article is about ""Jesus of Nazareth"", but I expect that to be challenged before long on the grounds that Nazareth supposedly didn't exist at the time Jesus was supposed to have lived there. Asking that ""AD"" and ""BC"" be purged seems to be part of the same jihad crusade campaign. And some will probably interpret my comment here as more reason to keep the article named just Jesus and to strike AD and BC.   

 For the record, Wesley, I do not remember what position I took on this but I certainly do not now object to this.  I mildly prefer ""Jesus of Nazareth.""  I do have qualms about ""Jesus Christ"" because many people, like Jews and Muslims, accept the existence of Jesus, and understand that Christians think he is Christ, but do not themselves think Jesus as Christ.  Nevertheless, I think at the time I argued in your favor (I think my argument was, if we have an article on Queen Elizabeth, it doesn't mean we all consider her our sovereign).  So I sympathize with you on the Christ as Title issue.  I am, however, still strongly opposed to BC/AD.  Sam asks me to cite someone offended.  Here goes: 

 Sam, please keep in mind that many — over twenty – voted for BCE/CE above, and that I have written hundreds of words explaining my position,  You don't need to read everything I wrote, but if you pick any big chunk of text you will get the idea.  In the meantime, see  for this: 
 :[1] B.C. stands for ""before Christ"" and AD, stands for ""Anno Domini"": ""in the year of the Lord."" Both are references to Jesus. Because Jews do not believe in the divinity of Jesus, they use the abbreviations B.C.E., for ""Before the Common Era"" (that is, before the year 1), and C.E., for ""Common Era"" (that is, after the year 1).  
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