== Bara blah blah blah == 
 In the end i don't see myself getting deeply involved in that page. Just responding to you here because the talk page itself is so cluttered. You asked, "were Ungtss's claims about original kinds being like mules/ligers ever substantiated as a central feature of baraminology?" He said "yes" and provided this link [] . I've read the link, and that certainly doesn't seem to be the case to me (but reading that stuff makes me feel so far down the rabbit hole that i may be confused). In the section on "ligers" it says that two cat "kinds" made it on to the ark, then there was speciation after the flood waters receeded. It says something about "no new genetic information" being created, but does not appear to claim that the proto-tiger and proto-lion were some seussian combination of the two animals.