, 4 January 2011 (UTC) 
 ::I'm not opening a new debate on an old arguement, but using it for comparison. Ivor i'm on about the convention where we use "Derry" for the city on any article that mentions it despite the fact it is the unofficial name of the city - the arguement for use of the official name is fought against by some who want to an official language here for something else. We just can't cherry-pick when the "official" arguement gives something automatic right for inclusion/use - especially when it appears that trying to include Welsh in this manner in the infobox is highly troublesome. As already repeated, putting it in the language-section is more than suffice and fair and avoids future problems over the infobox - it also wouldn't be the first time information has been left out of an infobox on an article because it is contentious despite being backed up.   10:33