:Nope, I got you. It just seems a bit wasted effort. Ordering the list by genre is actually adding some extra information to the list (which is why we're going to end up arguing about it). Ordering the list alphabetically (or having a second list that is organized alphabetically) doesn't contribute any more information to the process in my opinion, it's just a mechanical listing of the information. Plus we've got two lists to maintain, as you pointed out. It just doesn't seem really useful to me.   

 ::If you go with organizing by historical genre, the list of board wargames might be a good model to start your high-level deliberations.   

 :::Love it! Any time I can use someone else's labor! I vote we adopt it wholesale (but then, I'm lazy).   

 ::::Well, some pieces you'll want to throw out (the scale splits that are in the bigger topics - not generally that kind of range of scales in miniatures). Feel free to ask why certain things are the way they are, not all of it is immediately obvious, and not all of it is perfect anyway. Also, if you want to start giving the type of publishing info it is, see the Talk page to see how that's supposed to work. ^_^   

 How about this for a summary of the list of board wargames. 
 * Ancients 
 * Early Middle Ages 
 * Middle Ages 
 * Early Modern 
 * American Civil War 
 * Industrial 
 * WWI 
 * WWII 
 * Modern 
 * Other Historical/Alternate History 
 * Science Fiction 
 * Fantasy 

 I would also suggest we co-opt the naming format they've accepted there, and I quote: 

 :The basic format I'm using is: bullet, title, parentheses, publisher name, comma, date, close parentheses. 

 :The title should be italicized (as it is a title), and linked (even red-linked) to the article for the game. Blue links should be checked to make sure they aren't going to an article by the same name for something else, and disambiguated if necessary. Whether to include a subtitle is optional, but I'm tending towards it, as it is a good disambiguation measure. If a series has an article, but the individual games do not, go ahead and link games in that series to the series article. 

 :The publisher name should be linked under the same conditions as a title. The date should be linked to the year in games page for that year. Most of these are not significant enough to be mentioned in the main year articles, but should someday be populated into the 'year in game' articles, so we link there. 

 Any comments? I think this would add a lot of value to the list of Minature Wargames.   

 Good start to tidying up the list, but perhaps before more is done, we should consider breaking up the list by category.  As is, we're losing a bit of the info that could otherwise be used to sort the list by genre.  Then we can work on updating it to have designer/date info.