::I don't understand what you are getting at. Carville dissed Beck. The Beck dissed him and said "I like it is because it is an easy gateway to the founders." and "It is the best book out there on the founding of the country that is digestible". He then mentions that books mention how a couple of presidents ruined the country but he would rather read Leap. He also makes fun of the left alot but that has nothing to do with the book. By the way, if you have the date of the show we can cite episode without a URL to the video (transcript would be nice, though).