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 ==James Crumley== 
 I have added the New York Times best seller as a local Missoulian. Any objections? 
  Jaco Kast 

 ==Band listing== 
 Is she truly ""internationally renown?""  I lived in Missoula for 20+ years and never heard of her.  A Google search gives less than impressive results. 
 Matthew Burnside 3:28, 19 Nov 2005 (UTC) 

 :On further consideration, and based on the discussion below: if we're (rightly) not going to list random restaurants, we should not list random bands, either. 
 :Matthew Burnside  

 ::Aggreed. I've edited out the various band names (other than those of note)to neutralize the statements.- James 

 :::Look at other cities and see what they list. Great Falls has a list of notable people who have lived there. There's nothing wrong with listing local celebrities or local bands - they are what make a town what it is. With Missoula's rich music community, I think its only fair to note them somewhere in the listing. Binder 

 See dission below listed as ""Local Missoula Bands""   

 ==Tipu's== 
 I'm new to this, so please bear with me if I'm doing anything wrong.  Anyway, as much as I like Tipu's, isn't the Tipu's related entry dangerously close to violating the following wikipedia policy: ""Please do not create an article to promote yourself, a product, or a business""?  Basically, what's to prevent someone from creating similar entries for every restaurant in town?   

 Consensus may side with you, but every other resturaunt in town is NOT COMPLETELY BIZARRE.   

 That's highly subjective.  I find Tipu's to be, on the whole, rather mundane.  If I were to create an entry for a restaurant, based upon my personal opinion that it was COMPLETELY BIZARRE, I would look no further than the demented halls of the Oxford Cafe.  Does that warrant an entry? 

 Honestly, I don't want to start an argument over something so trivial, but it does seem that Tipu's stands to benefit the most from it's inclusion in the Missoula entry.  And, as far as I know, Tipu's is primarily in the business of selling food.   

 Granted, the Oxford is bizarre(!). However, as the article doesn't promote Tipu's or its products, and also describes Tipu's sexism, I don't think that is the proper objection. It would seem to me that since companies may be described on Wikipedia (Procter & Gamble), and on ""Missoula, Montana"" (Montana Snowbowl), so may be Tipu's. Thus you're objection may be based on the fact that Tipu's is a small local resturaunt, and not a huge national or multinational. 

 Based on the above, I created a ""Notable eateries"" section, and listed the Oxford. Please list why the Ox is notable/bizarre.  

 I lived in Missoula my entire life growing up (1980-1998), and I have never been to or even heard of Tipu's. I have to agree with Dknadler on this one. Why does this one restaurant warrant an entry in an encyclopedic work? I would understand if it were the site of some event of great importance, but as I said, I didn't even know about it. I have at least heard of the Oxford, which does have some measure of notoriety, but even so I still question whether it belongs in this kind of work. 
 

 :What about Montana Snowbowl? What makes a ski hill more encyclopedic than a resturaunt? You all may be interested in Wikipedia:Importance, a proposed policy.   

 ::I understand where you're coming from here, but even so it's a little easier to justify a ski mountain than a restaurant for me. There are only two in Missoula, and both are listed. There are many many restaurants. I think it's almost impossible to be objective about which are included and which are not. For example, two of my favorite restaurants are The Depot and Shadow's Keep. They're not listed, which gives the listed restaurants an advantage over their competitors. That's not really in the spirit of what Wikipedia's about, IMHO. -   
 ::Here's a thought. Based on the following entry from the Wikipedia:What_Wikipedia_is_not page: 

 ::Travel guides. An article on Paris should mention landmarks such as the Eiffel Tower and the Louvre, but not the telephone number of your favorite hotel or the price of a café au lait on the Champs-Elysées. (Such details are, however, very welcome at Wikitravel (). 

 ::I propose we start a Missoula page at Wikitravel and move the