:I appreciate you're comments Raul, but it's pretty clear that discussion isn't tolerated here on Wikipedia.  There is a body of people with the same editing and trolling habits as slashdotters who are here to prevent any discussion what so ever on certain forbidden topics.  I won't deal with that kind of fucking shit, and I don't have the time for it, especially when they vote to delete in knee-jerk reactions without reading the fucking article to see if they even know what it says.  If discussion isn't appreciated, I'm leaving.  Apologies for the swearing, I don't normally do it, but in this case it's the only way to describe my mindset.