Thanks for the response but I think you are underestimating the effect this has. For example, at the moment there are revert wars raging on across multiple pages because people are trying to add this category to them and others are disagreeing rather strongly. I think it is important to rememeber that CfD et al. is what we make of it - it is generally not a vote (that's why we have DRV et al.) and despite some of the uninformed people who never check back there are plenty of people like me who engage in active discussion on it and can quickly "turn the tide of the vote" per se. So, while I share your concern about the lack of a thoughtful discussion I believe you could have easily have had the discussion right there...   | @ |