, 22 November 2006 (UTC) 

 ::Agreed. And I apologise. Hmm. I suppose it comes down, really, to a dislike more of the specific proposed version than a dislike of the idea as a whole. Shall we try writing a few more versions and see if any of them seem a way forward? (Bonus points for citations) 

 I'm tempted by the Marriage and legitimacy article - marriage as a way for a father to know who his children are is, I believe, the standard proposed basis of it, and so the definitions in it are useful.   20:16