", 5 April 2010 (UTC) 
 ::::Superfopp, while I agree with the current criteria, I note that WP:WTA does not address inclusion criteria in lists, only the narrative voice of the article as it pertains to labelling - and then the restriction is much harsher on people than it is on incidents or events. Furthermore, I see no such consensus discussion on this page. If Lihaas wishes to open a discussion on the merits of the current criteria, it is his right and privilege to do so. For myself, I will insist that any criteria at which we arrive must be viewpoint-neutral and reasonably objective, while still bearing some resemblance to the popular understanding of the term.  21:18"