==Reorganization== 

 The organization of this [talk] page is confusing, with older talk randomly interspersed (restored?) in the midst of late June 2005 talk. Anyway, it's 234 kilobytes long and way overdue for an archive. I started archiving but got overtaken. 

 Would somebody please archive this page? Nectarflowed, you'd be the best one to do this.    

 :You guys are the ones that deleted numerous but selective talk page discussions earlier today, why?      
 ::One of us requested Uncle Ed, as an admin, intervene.  The request was specifically to enforce Wikipedia's policy of no name-calling.   
 :I think the reorganization was unnecessary and may have been disorienting, and that we should simply merge any new additions from today into the old version.  Following that, we should archive.  POM conducted the most recent one.  I would like to hear what Rikurzen and Ultramarine think about this, as they are most responsible for the article and are most affected by what is chosen to be done.   
 ::You're talking about the reorganization of the talk page, not the article, right? I have little idea what's going on with the talk page, but there's only a few active threads about article content (Arbor's work on references, and the Proposal 1 work, which may be finished).   

 :::::Uhh any alleged "name calling" was one or two sentences, how did that justify removing entire threads?    

 :::If we're going to archive the older threads, does anyone feel we need to keep the reorganization?   
 :::I'd like to add that Zen master and I are trying on his talk page to reach a mutual understanding regarding the concerns he's brought to this page and how they relate to the state of the article.  I don't think it's necessary (if that's ok with everybody else) for that discussion to occur simultaneously on this page, as it might be harder to keep it focused when there are multiple users responding.   

 ZM & NF, it sounds like you got something going, so why don't I just bow out? If anyone needs my help again, you all know where to find me. Cheers.