:::You guys really need to get a grip. The Caldwell list is clearly notable and worth an article. It's purpose was never to be particularly scientific but as an alternative tick list for amateur observers. There is no agenda and no advertising. I can't offer reliable sources but an subjective impression from various astronomy boards is that people do move on from Messier to Caldwell. Instead of expending a lot of hot air on the discussion page, maybe some constructive editing of the article would be better.     •