God Truly Exists

Rebut 1. If God exists he CAN appear to us. That he doesn't is evidence that he does not exist BECAUSE he has supposedly visited humans in the past, And there's no logical reason for him to not. It would in fact save billions of people from wasting years of their lives discussing the issue. If I go out to prove any individual person's existence I can actually find evidence that they existed. I can find live witnesses, Pictures, Videos, Et cetera. If you ask me "Did X person exist 4, 000 years ago? " my default position would of course be I don't know. I have no way of verifying if they did or not. If a random book said they did I would say heck maybe they did, But thousands of people claim that they have been visited by thousands of different gods even today. I have no reason to trust your thousand year old witnesses over live witnesses today, At the very least. Saying "God visited people a long time ago, But he can't now" without giving a valid reason why he cannot when he is supposedly the ultimate powerhouse of the universe is a claim no one can take seriously. I don't know why you expect us to without providing the reason God can't appear to us. 2. God doesn't respond to prayers. Any. Tons of studies have been done on tons of different religions. en. Wikipedia. Org/wiki/Efficacy_of_prayer If your argument is that so few humans fit the conditions required for prayer to work that the answered prayers are unmeasurable by studies, Then it may as well not exist. People may as well not waste their time. Either way the fact it cannot be shown to have happened and all studies point to neutral, And in fact some studies point to people being prayed for faring slightly worse is indeed evidence of the nonexistence of a being that supposedly puts his finger on the scales for those who believe in him and pray for him. You can still claim your God exists but that he doesn't answer prayers. But, If prayers being answered is a critical part of your religion, You can't hold onto your religion and still claim you have science and evidence behind it. You can't come to a debate centered around logic and reasoning and make claims like "God Truly Exists. " 3. So at first God genocided humans and then God decided after some thought that genociding humans is a poor teaching tool, Then tried alternative methods? What is godlike about this? He is at fault here. Not only did he fail to teach humans right from wrong, He killed them. He eliminated the possibility that they could avoid eternal damnation. He directly condemned them to eternal suffering. Their fatal flaw? Largely, Dancing around gold statues and having sex. Not paying enough attention to him. It sounds more like 2 year old attention seeking tantrum behavior than what I would expect from an omniscient God. There's really no way around this for you. You can't say that the Old Testament was meh but God fixed it all with the New Testament so everything's right again. That is admitting your God is flawed. Again, Why call him God even if he does exist? My arguments 1. Saying that we don't know what happened at the beginning of the universe is proof of God's existence is ridiculous. God doesn't exist just because we don't have the answers yet. You can say there are 2 competing theories currently. 1. The God Theory and 2. The Big Bang Theory. We have heaps and mountains of evidence for one of these and effectively no evidence for the other. God is not required for the theory that we have the mountains of evidence for, So why do you accept one theory and not the other? Again, You can say your theory is that God started it, But no one is saying that couldn't be true just that we don't know. Again, Admitting to lack of knowledge here is not something that supports the position "God Truly Exists. " 2. You claim God is Omni all of these things and don't justify that claim at all. You don't respond to my justifications for the opposite claim. In fact you admit my claims have some validity. Again, If his power and knowledge has a limit then he is not omni anything. Your claim for God desiring imperfect beings is also flawed. 2a. If God created us in his own image then he either failed, So he is flawed, Or he succeded, In which case he is flawed. Nothing about humans is perfect. If he is alike us in any way, He is flawed. On top of that, Is he both male and female? Is he of every race? The world may never know! 2b. We had to have corrupted ourselves or else there is no original sin. The idea of original sin has no meaning if humans are not culpable for it. If Satan, The embodiment of evil CREATED BY GOD HIMSELF (but that doesn't make it flawed? ), Was responsible for leading us into sin WHILE GOD WAS WATCHING and could have stopped Satan or eliminated him from existence with no effort (and still could to this day) then humans are not responsible for disobeying God and bringing original sin upon themselves. God also could have reversed it. This means that either God made a mistake, You don't believe in original sin and God had no reason to punish us in the first place, Or God doesn't exist and the story of genesis is a ridiculously flawed fiction created by people who wanted an easy life. In any of these paths, God does not exist either literally or because he is flawed, Therefore not omni-anything, And does not fall under your definition of God. 3. Prove to me Unicorns don't exist. If you cannot prove to me that something we both agree doesn't exist then how do you expect anyone to give you some sort of extremely solid evidence of your God's nonexistence? The God that you hold onto so dearly. I submit that you cannot. That the lack of evidence for its existence is sufficient evidence in favor of its nonexistence. Until we get evidence of its existence, It cannot be said to effect us at all. To conclude, 1. Science is entirely behind prayers not having any effect. 2. Claiming unlimited power comes with an impossible paradox to current science. That is to say, That logic and reasoning does not support the possibility of omni-anything. 3. The BoP for someone claiming "God Truly Exists" is much higher than on someone saying "Either maybe it exists or it doesn't. " Pro's position is that 100% God exists. Mine can be anywhere from 0%-99% probability and I would still win, Because it could not be said that God Truly Exists. Currently no claim my opponent has made has held up to scrutiny. Logic and reasoning do not support any of his arguments. Science does not support any of his arguments. There is no evidence for beings not existing. If you lack any evidence of a being's existence, It can be said to not exist. If I claim that there is no fly in your room right now and you look around and shake the curtains, Spray everywhere, Make loud noises, Put out fly traps, Try to attract them with food, Et cetera and yet still you find no flies or evidence of flies then you should probably accept that, While there isnt a 0% chance there is a fly in your room, There probably is not one. We have, As humans, Done our best to find evidence for God. We've shaken the curtains, Sprayed, Laid traps, Et cetera, Yet still we see no evidence. Follow the money friends. What is more likely, That humans created Gods for personal profit and fame and that many of us fall in line because our parents told us it is true (as you have to believe for the thousands of religions that are not yours) or that God exists but he is giving us the silent treatment for not worshiping him enough, After he committed the mass genocide of nearly the entire population of humanity? Probability is not on your side friend, And it's much closer to 0 than 100. May your thoughts be clear, -Thoht