If you believe in the god of the bible, Then you have no free will, None

William Craig Lane is a complete sweaty piece of rear end wipe and ALL CREATIONISTS, No exceptions, None, Are worthless. Why? They cannot stand up for their product, Namely their god. When it comes down to the truth of it they are intelligent and educated enough to ---never--- put their god on trial again. Why? Because they 100% know that they will lose every single time. No exceptions, None. Why? Because all they have to go on is faith based oriented and faith cannot be proved. "Why would you believe anything on faith? Faith isn"t a pathway to truth. Every religion has some sort of faith. If faith is your pathway you can"t distinguish between christianity, Hinduism, Judaism, Any of these others. How is it that you use ---reason--- in every of the other endeavor in your life and then when it comes to the ultimate truth, The most important truth you"re saying that faith is required and how is that supposed to reflect on a god? What kind of a god requires faith instead of evidence? " Matt Dillahunty "Faith is the reason people give when they don"t have evidence. " Matt Dillahunty "Faith can be very very dangerous, And deliberately to implant it into the vulnerable mind of an innocent child is a grievous wrong. " Richard Dawkins "Faith is the great cop-out, The great excuse to evade the need to think and evaluate evidence. Faith is the belief in spite of, Even perhaps because of, The lack of evidence. " Richard Dawkins "If the God of the Christian Bible is true, Free will does not exist. " I"ve thought of that, However it would imply that the god of the bible exists in which case there is 0% proof that as this immoral worthless pile of dung that truly hates children according to the bible does exist. Otherwise, The entire human race would probably have become extinct since the first writings of the bible in which no god would ---ever--- use text as a form of communication, The worst form of communication possible. "Tries to defend the idea that the belief itself makes free will impossible, " Describe "belief itself"? That"s 100% different from the arrogant with the lack of self esteem and the being indoctrinated + gullibility factors that must take place in order to believe in the god of the bible through faith. No one has trouble making the youtube videos work. What do you do to "not" make them work? Yeah believe me I get it, Its very frustrating. About 8 months ago DDO changed its codes so its hard for anything to function properly. But no, I haven"t described anything in this RD that were from the videos. Galatians 5:13 is tossed and is worthless. Did god himself personally state that verse? Nope. "There are many Christians who believe that free will is at best limited, " I"ve been doing this for 43+ years and have talked with roughly 22, 000. That"s a very big emphatic "no". "I do deeply believe in free will and believe the Bible is not only compatible with it, But teaches it. " Not through its god in which is based on a superior ego god complex and nothing else. "punishment of crimes against the old law"" There"s no such a thing as an "old law" according to the god of the bible. Nothing was changed and "his" laws thus remain the same throughout the entire bible both OT and NT. "are against free will, " death is ---always---, No exceptions, None against free will. However this is a misunderstanding of free will, " No. Sorry. Wrong. Let"s take you for an example" There"s a gunman pointing a shotgun with his nuzzle against your brain POOF dead. There"s your father, You, And your girlfriend all in one room. One of you dies by your choice. That"s not a choice. Choosing with the threat of death looming, Just as 4 of the 10 commandments do is NOT a choice. "the faculty by which a person decides on and initiates action. " Has nothing to do with your god granting free will. It has 0 to with "the ability to choose between good and evil and whether to follow God freely. " Regardless, Why would anyone want to? Especially if they are educated, Intelligent, Actually read the bible only to find out how completely bankrupt, Immoral and corrupt its god truly is. Murdering 2, 821, 364 in his bible which includes babies, Children, Pregnant mothers (abortions), In which some so-called christians seem to be oh so smug and jolly hamburgers with, And THEY SOMEHOW JUSTIFY IT in which case there"s no justification for it. "As for God not having free will, It is just simply false. " WRONG! Then you go right ahead and you argue that one with the best minds on the planet who do know one helluva lot better than you. No offense. AND its a correct philosophy that has been thought up and triggered ever since YOUR bible was first put into print. He is indeed omniscient, But knowing what one will do in advance"" that"s not what was stated. You"re really infuriating me now because just like nearly every so-called christian out there, You simply CAN"T READ, Much less comprehend! "Now then, You bring up the idea of evil and hate and their compatibility with the idea of free will. " Oh believe me, Once again, Its NOT my point. These are points all well thought out by others thousands of years ago. Now this one is an extremely strong one. And its backed up by a very cartoonish, But funny and gets to the point and is all too real 3rd video. And for you to say you cannot somehow get to the video is a truly HUGE cop out. Actually all three. "God wanted"" See? That"s why 0 of your arguments hold up. You have no idea what YOUR god wants. Not ever. Guessing doesn"t help. Then you become mega self defeating" "us to be able to freely follow him or stray away from him. " But wait, You previously stated, Just a few sentences ago "He is indeed omniscient, But knowing what one will do in advance"" Wow. A double negative in which you have absolutely no clue as to what you say. So according to YOU and you alone (obviously), Things are just fine just as long as man does not stray from this god of yours BUT this god of YOURS because he is omniscient, He already, Beforehand, Knows if we will. So according to you" what"s the point in having man on this planet if man is entirely YOUR god"s playthings? Here"s a fun video for you to watch" http://www. Youtube. Com/watch? V=Q1_HfhtB5eo - Oats Studios - Volume 1 - God: Serengeti "What you don't understand is by allowing us free will is what gives those evil things. " WRONG. First off YOUR god IS EVIL as he"s freely admitted it in YOUR fricken bible. How dare you NOT know this. So according to YOU, YOUR god splattered man with reigning evil. Now suppose in any possible way that you are correct. So? What does that solve? What good is that? What can any imbecile or genius possibly learn from it? Better yet, What can any child possibly learn from suffering? If your answer is "nothing", You"ve answered correctly. "He cannot logically make us free, And take away the emotional and mental capacities to do what is not good, That is just simply not free will. " hat"s a stupid statement. Why not? And according to what? You? How would you know? According to what meatgrinder apocalypse? Yours? Here"s what you so-called christians don"t get is that evil is not a need, Evil is not a necessity, Evil is not a requirement. But according to YOUR god and only your god, It is. Strange isn"t it that Gaia Mother Earth, Nearly all native American Indian tribes (until your dirty christian white beefy hunky sweaty pig brethren nearly wiped them out), The Inca, The aborigines etc etc etc they do not teach nor practice YOUR evil and hate, Its not even close, To what YOUR so-called christian brethren does. Luis de Molina is also trashed. He was a Spanish Jesuit priest for crying out loud. This means that he like creationists cannot be taken seriously. He relied on faith in which cannot be proved. Then he continues and thus not knowing the puddle of mood he"s stepped into" "Free will doesn't require that God set those laws to give us infinite possibilities with those laws. " So that"s a major fallacy. Do you understand how? Probably not. "Free will doesn't require that God"" So according to him and with what YOU believe, There is something (oh believe me, There"s plenty more) that is out of YOUR god"s control when your god should be in control of everything, In which he"s clearly not. This is not even a close call. Because dare there be someone and or something that defies your god"s so-called "master/ grand plan" and thus steps beyond it? Shame shame shame. "In the Christian worldview, . . . " That"s always a bad thing. "The simple solution is to chuck the bible out because we don"t need it for anything, Even if there are things in it which there undoubtedly are, Even if there are things that are good which there undoubtedly are" they"re not good because they"re in the bible, They"re not good because they come from a god, They are good because they are good, And they are something that we can discover without ever having to appeal to an old book and without having to tap dance around and sacrifice our humanity to make excuses about how we treat rape victims, And how we own people as property, And how there"s some "GRAND CONTEXT" in which all of this isn"t very bad. You have sacrificed your humanity for genuflecting to your religion. And its abominable. " Matt Dillahunty That joining him in your mythical heaven thing? "When she dies does she get to go to heaven? If she gets to go to heaven will she be happy? And she"ll probably say "yes". And you say "Will you be able to choose and do anything you want while you are in heaven? " And she"ll say "yes. " And so you are basically saying "you"ll have free will in heaven? " So you have free will in heaven and no one is being hurt, Raped, So you can do anything you want and no one gets hurt. If god has that power in heaven, He must have that power on earth. So he"s chosen not to set that condition/ toggle switch which means he"s a dick. " Phil Ferguson Am out of space.