Women "pastors/preachers" are rebellious to God, for taking on a man's position.

Thanks to PRO for round 4 As far as the debate goes she has not really answered any of my arguments from round 2 or 3. Her rules from round 1 of no new arguments in round 4 makes her proverbs 31 references out of order. I would like to respond to her proverbs 31 reference, and then respond to her closing statements. Prov 31:16 She considers a field and buys it; From her earnings she plants a vineyard This is a picture of a working woman. This woman would not have been allowed in Greek or Roman first century culture. (women not allowed to own property in their own name) I don't know enough about first century Jewish culture to know if this Prov 31 woman would be offensive to most men in Jesus' day. It is exactly this kind of woman that Paul was speaking against. She did not fit his culture. Prov 31:21-22 She is not afraid of the snow for her household, For all her household are clothed with scarlet. 22 She makes coverings for herself; Her clothing is fine linen and purple. This woman does not fit in Paul's culture for her "costly garments for herself and her family. (see 1 Tim 2:9) As we continue through Prov 31: 25-26 we see "Strength and dignity are her clothing, And she smiles at the future. 26 She opens her mouth in wisdom, And the teaching of kindness is on her tongue." Wait, does it even say she is TEACHING kindness. I am happy that PRO brought up Prov 31. It is a great argument for women who lead and teach. Let me respond to PRO's round 4 >>I still hold to my view . . . You can hold to your preference, but you have no Biblical warrant to claim that God can't call women to serve. He can and He does. We even have Biblical examples. >> her place is not to lead but to teach the other women younger than her. This opinion has no place as a scriptural command. It has very little place in our North American culture. It would fit well in Taliban controlled Afghanistan. If I were pastoring a Christian church there I would 100% agree that cultural factors need to be considered and women would have to be kept "in there place" to fit with culture. This would place a non Biblical hardship on any woman, and the Prov 31 woman would probably be in danger of death by stoning or beheading. >> Her place is within the home. Not according to Prov 31 >>I do believe Paul was being literal I agree - Paul was very literal here. In his setting he says "I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man" In hes setting he said this was his position. If we were in the 1st century Roman world I would probably see the wisdom of it It was a cultural concession, and in our culture with woman leaders we should not try to push them into 1st century Roman culture. I notice in PRO's profile pic that she is wearing a necklace (silver I think). It is hard to understand her strong stance on "no women in ministry" with her desire to teach (debate against an older man) and wearing jewelry. Those factors alone show she does not understand Paul's position that she claims, but does not follow. >>(Voters voting, vote fairly and honestly. If I was voting I'd vote con because he actually did a great job but that doesn't mean I agree with where he stands in this belief though). Best wishes con! :) God bless! One great part about serving Jesus is that he calls us to serve in the way that He wants. The Bible allows us to drink alcohol. I do not drink at all. This is not because the Bible makes it a rule for all people in all times. It is because I am called to serve in a culture (Atlantic Canada Baptist) where drinking would cause me problems. I also work with many addicts and people who have been hurt by drinking. God calls me to not drinking for His own reasons. My obedience brings blessings I may never understand. Back to women in ministry. God allows it. He calls some. There are cultures where it is rare or even inappropriate (as seen by God not calling them to serve there) Blessings to Pro for the fun debate. This is the first time I have taken this position and it has strengthened my view that God calls anyone He chooses.