Whitebeard vs. Madara

Thanks to my opponent for another great argument!I will not be addressing Pro's opening arguments, as I already have pretty much done so within my own opening arguments.Thus, I will just be countering Pro's rebuttals, touching on his 3 contentions in doing so. R1) ChakraUnfortunately I will have to concede this point, as Pro has successfully utilized the incompatibilities of the OP/Naruto Universes to show the ineffectiveness of Madara's sensing abilities. However, I will stand by my point that Madara can use extremely strong jutsu for extended periods of time, which is very helpful in his potential tactic of strategically bombarding Whitebeard with various jutsu one after the other. And also, I must object to Pro's use of the debate's rules to unfairly strengthen his arguments. The first rule states that both characters are at full health, and the second rule states that Whitebeard will be as he was seen at Marineford; this would imply that Whitebeard's condition at the time of this battle is going to be the highest level of health that he had during the Marineford arc, which was right at the beginning. However, even then, he was still displaying signs of aging.It is a FACT that Whitebeard has a very dulled sense of Observation Haki at the time of this battle. I have already cited an instance that proves so. Pro must provide evidence that Whitebeard IS capable of dodging attacks better than Madara is, or my point about Madara's superior reflexes still stands. R2) Martial ArtsSkillPro claims that Madara taking down hundreds of shinobi without fatigue is nothing compared to Whitebeard taking out "thousands of enemies of higher caliber, sending them all flying with simply strokes from his bisento". However, taking a look at the manga page cited by Pro, these supposed "enemies of high caliber" taken out by Whitebeard were MARINES. Marines are pretty much normal humans, just being slightly stronger and having more combat training than an ordinary one. Shinobi, on the other hand, are skilled warriors, specially trained throughout their lives in martial arts as well as in ninjutsu and genjutsu, which are almost like Devil Fruit powers in the OP Universe. One shinobi could easily take out several marines before getting defeated.It is clearly a greater show of martial arts skill to be able to take out hundreds of Shinobi than it is to be able to take out thousands of weakling marines.SpeedPro claims that Whitebeard actually HAS displayed speed and agility during battle, citing two examples of Whitebeard getting behind Akainu and Whitebeard intercepting Kizaru.However, in both examples, there is information missing (e.g. Whitebeard's location before the instance being cited), the context of the situation is ignored (e.g. Akainu and the marines were pre-occupied with Luffy at the time), and faulty conclusions are made (e.g. Whitebeard being able to move is arm faster than lightning is different from being able to move his entire body over long distance at those speeds). The reason that we must skeptical when examining the examples cited by Pro is because if Whitebeard was really capable of doing the things that Pro credits him for, we would see some clear instances of him taking advantage of such an ability DURING battle. But he does not. During battle he displays very minimal speed, lumbering slowly towards his opponent and being unable to dodge fatal blows [2].As for the weapons thing, I apologize; I seem to have made in error in my sourcing. The point is that Madara has a powerful weapon and is adept in using it. R3) JutsuAny points which I have been forced to drop (mostly due to the chakra-haki incompatibility) will not be mentioned.-- Elemental Jutsu: Pro makes a baseless assertion, proclaiming that any and all jutsu would be destroyed by Whitebeard's earthquakes, but if this were true, Whitebeard would never ever take a hit from anyone! Yet Whitebeard does indeed take quite a few serious hits from a number of people including Squardo, Akainu, Blackbeard, and Kizaru, to name a few. Madara would definitely be able to cause substantial harm to Whitebeard using these elemental jutsu in a strategic manner.-- Levitation: Pro claims that Whitebeard was able to destroy projectiles, thus rendering this ability useless. However, attacking a projectile is very different from attacking an actual person who is able to freely move around and change direction in the air. Pro has not contested my point that this ability gives Madara a great advantage over Whitebeard in terms of mobility.-- Clones: Even if each clone is weaker than the original Madara, there is no evidence to suggest that Whitebeard would be able to destroy them all as easily as Pro claims. Again, I must point out that the only time Whitebeard has done something similar was in battling pathetic MARINES; even 1/100 of Madara is much more powerful than a marine! Madara's wood clones would still serve as a substantial advantage over Whitebeard.SharinganPro claims that Madara has switched to the Rinnegan and no longer has the Sharingan. However, this is blatantly false, as Madara can switch freely between the two [3].Susanoo: it is true that the Susanoo can probably not withstand the full force of one of Whitebeard's earthquakesalone, but in combination with his healing abilities, it is definitely a possibility (see R5)Amaterasu: it is true that Amaterasu takes a while to burn, but Whitebeard doesn't wear a shirt, so the fire would immediately start burning him, and it is also inextinguishable. As for Pro's comment that Whitebeard could dodge it, that ignores the fact that Amaterasu follows its target (also, see R1)RenniganPro claims that only Pain has been shown to be able to use extremely powerful attract/repulsive forces. However, Pain's Rinnegan were originally Madara's in the first place, and presently, Madara has both of them back. Thus, it is only logical to assume that Madara is capable of using such forces as well, possibly being able to utilize them to help neutralize the effects of Whitebeard's earthquakes.R4) RegenerationThe reason that I couldn't find a better example of Madara's regeneration abilities is because Madara hasn't taken any significant hits yet XDHowever, we can use logic to deduce the full extent of his self-healing capabilities. Madara has his abilities due to Hashirama's DNA/cells being infused into him; thus, his healing abilities are probably about as effective as Hashirama's. We see the full potential of Hashirama's healing abilities reflected in his granddaughter Tsunade, who demonstrates the ability to quickly regenerate after taking extremely powerful hits [4][5]. Therefore, Madara also probably has that ability.In combination with the Susanoo and Rinnegan's forces, there is a strong chance that Madara could avoid the brunt of the damage from Whitebeard's earthquakes.R5) IntelligenceMy opponent calls the example of Madara's strategic combat I have provided negligible. Thus I have provided two more: one in which he demonstrates the ability to seek out and attack the most essential part of his enemy [6], and one in which he demonstrates the ability to come up with creative impromptu defenses against powerful attacks [7]. In response to Pro's supposed examples of Whitebeard's intelligence: we have no evidence that WB himself came up with those tactics, nor were they improvisional.Unfortunately, I do not have enough room, so I will just extend my conclusions from last round (with the exceptions of "physical stamina" in the first one), since I believe I have successfully defended them.SOURCES[0] http://naruto.wikia.com...[1] http://www.onepiecebay.net...[2] http://www.onepiecebay.net...[3] http://narutobase.net...[4] http://narutobase.net...[5] http://narutobase.net...[6] http://narutobase.net... (entire chapter)[7] http://narutobase.net...