Theists are no more moral than the irreligious

I asked no questions ahead of time in the comments to confirm the intent of your debate because I have all I need in your resolution to argue with. Considering it’s a positive phrased version of the statement, and you are PRO, that leaves Burdon of proving ones position more with you than with me. For the bulk of this debate I will actually not be arguing about what I think as a Christian or as a consequence of being Christian but plan to focus on the atheist standpoint and shall be using my arguments as if I were an atheist, playing devils advocate in a half-sort-of-way. What I mean by that is as a Christian It may be more strong position of there being a ‘morality’, I have had to defend ‘objective morality’ before from a few atheist who reject the concept all together and use arguments to say its an illusion. I understand that’s not the thinking of all atheist, but for this debate I’ll role play those atheist arguments and ask you answer all of there typical challenges to it. so in a way this is atheist to atheist debate more than it will be atheist to Christian even though I am a Christian. But for this first round only I will say what I will as a Christian about my Christian faith’s affects on this issue because it sets the premise for at least half of the resolution. I have given a link to one of my favorite movies. Its shocked me a little actual how entertaining a movie could be with low special effects and no big name actors in it. just something about watching man from the past taken out of it and put into ours is an interesting gimmick to watch. It’s a Christian film called ‘Time Changer’. It’s pretty much made to speak against this debates very resolution sort of. The theological scholar wants his colleges endorsement for his book, but one man wont give it to him because he suggested people teach morality without referencing the name of Christ when speaking to the unsaved. He said that because he meant it, there’s nothing wrong with telling a kid to just not steal and not adding ‘because Jesus said so’ right? But he gets to take a trip to the future that later results from losing the authority of that name. in the past he told a boy to not steal and the boy just got upset. In the future he was in a similar situation but the girl responds to his telling her its wrong to steal ‘who says’ and walks off. The movie implys many more consequences as well but I’m not giving you a breakdown of the whole movie. Watch it for yourself if you want, its not boring. Anyway when you come down to it for me personally should I try challenging that that stealing is wrong I wont take that logic very far successfully. Jesus, the Word that is in all creation, the Truth itself, the son of God, he said stealing is wrong. He’s the boss for me politically, theologically, spiritually, ect. He has a rightful last say in this issue no matter what I want to think. But you, an atheist…. well while I have a solid authority (to my perception anyway because I believe in him) backing up the matter, you have no authority out there to back up anything you say about morality. You can write on a piece of paper ‘jaywalking is punishable by death’ but unless you get the mayor or someone like that to put there rubber stamp the statement is not really true. So it is with morality. What do you have to build off of to claim one thing is ‘right’ and another is ‘wrong’? just your reasoning? To begin our debate I ask you to give me your ‘atheist morality’ say on what is moral in the following issues. Please give an answer for each one. 1) Murder 2) Lying 3) Polygamy 4) Monogamy 5) Stealing 6) Premarital Sex 7) Abortion 8) Gay Sex 9) Sex with nuclear family members 10) Gambling 11) Drinking Beer until you pass out 12) Smoking in someone else’s face 13) Kicking butt when someone pushes your buttons 14) Suicide 15) Cyber bullying That is all for now, you will hear no more from me about my own religion for the rest of this debate because what grounds I have to build off of are not really important to this resolution, its what grounds do you have to build off of that’s being questioned. I await your response.