abortion

Yes, the rape case for abortions are quite the best arguments given they provide a better "clear" ground for both pro life and pro choice. It's worth noting that the majority of pro life people are firm believers in god, and for religious reasons, are against abortion. I would say in that case, you would be setting the baby free into the kingdom of heaven(not arguing this, but this is just food for thought in looking at it from a pro choice religious aspect, and this is irrelevant beside the part that most pro life people are believers of god but since the debate hasn't gone to this topic and would be too late now, I'm going to rebuttal your points from your post, and address the questions that you asked). You asked how would I defend the abortion case in other circumstances? As I've said in my first post, and I quote "Now, as for the occasional mothers who willingly want babies, and decide to abort, or mothers who have unprotected sex, and get preggo, and need to abortion, then well, that's a different matter, but again, it's a choice, and needs to stay that way, even if it's stupid." This is exactly what I said. Now to go more into detail about this which is best, I want to start off with those circumstances. In those cases, the mother of course would be at fault but at the same time, victim to those who criticize and protest against her. Yes, it's often said that one does bury their own grave, and this is true just for about most choices in life, but one that should stand at from this is whole ordeal is that there is no clear win situation for the mother. You did ignore my whole paragraph stating how the mother is left in the dark and not taken into account of their feelings, and well being (which by the way is an important thing, and also worth addressing with your own thoughts). Now going back to why I said it's stupid at the end of that quote. I said it was stupid because the situation of unsafe sex or not being totally decisive if you want babies should NEVER occur. This is almost entirely why my posts have been centered around rape case abortions as those are more so something that the woman has no control of. Sure, not going to parties decreases the chance of getting raped, not sticking out like a hooker, or getting drunk with others, and yadda yadda, but for the most part, rape is something that you can't escape from if it's just you being in the wrong place at the wrong time, unless you live underground and never come out ever and are superhuman and don't need water, or food to live, and are isolated, you always going to risk the chance of being raped. I feel that I addressed the other cases of abortion that doesn't deal with rape victims well, it's something they can control for the most part, sure a rubber can break, but the chances of getting pregnant from safe sex are very low compared to unsafe sex. Even then, if we are going to do a study on this from all abortion cases, the rape ones might be the ones in first place compared to the others, so it's worth looking centering around for this debate. (HOWEVER, I will say that yes, It's stupid to have an abortion for those reasons besides the rape scenario's) but who am I to judge someone who honestly doesn't want the baby, or ready to be a mother yet? Now, again, i want you to address in particularly the part about the woman left in the dark, her feelings, and thoughts not considered, but just given the choice of ending the pregnancy, or continuing to a life full of unknown in which again is more so negative than positive from most stories you will find about raped victims going through with having their baby. Not just raped victims, but also unexpected pregnancies whether it's unsafe sex, or safe sex. The mother's thoughts are not considered much at all, the whole thing is pro life or pro choice with two sides fighting and one side occasionally flaming the mother, and protesting then going back to fighting with the pro choice guys. As for the baby not having the freedom, again in a weird religious outlook, the baby is set free. I don't want this to be about religion, so I'm going to again say, this is the USA where currently abortion in some states is pro choice, or pro life. As a law abiding citizen of the US and the state you reside, you have the legal rights to have an abortion, even if those are against it, and it would seem to me, that most would be understanding of rape cases. Also, I will follow up on the life support comparison. You mentioned the person being a vegetable, well, in the current state of thing, the baby inside the woman would be a vegetable. It needs food, water, and care to survive, and is completely 100% dependent upon the mother. Sure, the baby might not have problems at all, that's completely correct, but in case of rape-abortion cases which are the majority of why those get abortion, those babies for the majority have something wrong with them, this is more so a fact. In should be up to the mother to have the right to make that decision based on her gut feeling. Again, I agree it's stupid for mothers who get unexpectedly pregnant and discard the baby like trash after, but it's a choice, it's the law, and the mother has that right. Now, it would be better to string up a poll on "Abortions should be allowed to only rape victims" but here's the thing, although that would be a better agreeable ground for most and resolve the issues, the thing is you can almost never know if someone is telling the truth about rape or lying, therefore, abortions sadly have to be open to all those who want to have one. Again, the mother is more so the one carrying the burden of all this, getting flamed at the same time as discarded like trash as well with feelings ignored while everyone goes back to arguing. Pro life is happy after the baby comes out, even tho (in rape cases) it's more of a negative thing for most cases with very few babies having a normal life and more so a negative one. However, people stop carrying when the baby gets adult age, and now must fight on his own except the military, they always want you!