Predestination

In a debate like this I would feel that it is best that we define what exactly Predestination is. The Oxford Dictionary defines it as the Christian Doctrine of the foreordaining of all that will happen especially when it comes to salvation. (. http://www.oxforddictionaries.com...) Now Foreordaining is what will happen such as fate, so in order to win the debate all I would have to do is to prove that the Bible has devine fate such as that in Revalations, but I shall do both. Rom 8:29-30For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren. 30 Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified. 2 Thess 2:13But we ought always to thank God for you, brothers loved by the Lord, because from the beginning God chose you to be saved through the sanctifying work of the Spirit and through belief in the truth. (NIV) If we observe the above Biblical verse we can see that God has chose at the very beginning of time who would be saved and who would be damned based on his all knowing ability that it really doesn't mater your acts as it is already known as God knows who you are in advance before you are even born and he knows your heart and he also knows the kind of things that you will do and if you really believe in him. It's almost like a Santa Claus on steroids. Eph 1:11In Him also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestined according to the purpose of Him who works all things according to the counsel of His will(NKJV) If we observe the above verse we can see that God has given everyman a purpose, but it is because of that purpose that God has predestinied us. Weather our purpose is to be a burger flipper at McDonald's or the next President of the United States God has a plan and it's based on his plan is weather or not we are going to be saved or not. John 15:16 16 You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you so that you might go and bear fruit—fruit that will last—and so that whatever you ask in my name the Father will give you. If we observe the above verse we can see that God chooses who is saved and who isn't. It matters not what you believe or how you believe in God it's the fact that God knows all and he will choose who is saved and who is eternally damned. - Romans 11:5-7 but we speak God’s wisdom in a mystery, the hidden wisdom which God predestined before the ages to our glory. If we observe the above verse we can see that God has predestined us before we even come into existance. Revelation 20:4 - And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and [I saw] the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received [his] mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. In this verse of Revelations we can see in this foresite of the future that there are a certain amount of people who will and will not be saved. This is fate as God has predicted the second coming of Christ and that there are only a few that would be saved. This is an example of foreordaining as shown in the definition of Predestination. 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 ESV For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord. Here is another example of the second comng of Christ and the Devine Faith. So with that I have provided multiple examples of Presdestination in the Bible as well as Devine Foreordaining both of which fit the definition of which I had provided.