resolution: The Border fence is beneficial to America

Thank you. R1- My opponent fails to recognize any alternatives as to the border fence and therefore presumes that the border fence is the best possible solution as to the problems of immigration and drug and gun smuggling. {to which terrorist incursions do you speak of ?}. Funny thing about guns haha. Usually the best are made in the old U.S.A. so the flow of guns is actually going south (just to show you a number of guns it's absurd. http://en.wikipedia.org... http://www.realmilitarynetwork.com... ) So basically America supplies Mexico with guns so they can kill each other hell that's not a bad idea of course they forgot to take the cartels into account. http://www.cbsnews.com... The drugs are a problem We the people never consented to making cigarettes legal something that kills every 6 seconds is quite something tolerable according to congress, and amazingly America. So in the end are people who do drugs any different than people who smoke there are more smokers than drug users. Furthermore the drugs are being smuggled in because of the incompetence of the fence, to assume that is stops these things is no offense asinine. My opponent said it himself "perfect border security is not possible." Then he makes a cute argument referring to banks and homicides how does that relate to the border? I wonder. Another alternative could be towers with gun mounts and we let no one go into Mexico or come into America, or we can simply electrify the river ad where the river ends the gun mounts begin after all America has no problem using violence. Hell why don't we just go into Mexico with our army and blow them into oblivion or nuke them not the best possible solution but a solution never the less. R2- I completely agree the fence is not beneficial to us. R3- thank you for correcting my numbers. "If the fence stops only a tiny percentage of illegal immigration the cost is justified" how about an estimate Roy or is that estimate incalculable? Also explain how it (small or tiny percentage ) justifies spending 349 billion dollars as so claimed by you. Do you expect me to make your arguments for you? I think my nuke Idea is preferable hell it's stop the whole country from even trying to get in because of the gun mounts or turrets that are in place. R4- I suppose you're right just because you reference a site that says because of this triple fence thing it stops 94 percent of illegal immigrants coming into the U.S. The fence is certainly working however what that site doesn't tell you is the increase in of immigrants coming across the fence. WOW only catching 50? after they've upped security I suppose it's not possible that these aliens won't try to go in from somewhere else oh wait they do aliens are increasingly coming to America by seaaaaaaaaaa! :) http://calcoastnews.com... Also you forgot to mention how big the yuma sector is, and can you prove that the fence will be just as effective anywhere else as it is in the Yuma sector? you simply cannot generalize that because it's working in one place it's going to work everywhere else. Wow my opponent posted a link disproving me I suppose he want's me to make his argument for him ok I will here goes con is going to debate against links and not me therefore I will post links to support my specific facts then generalize them then fool everyone that I'm debating when actually it's my links that are debating for me. R5- "con blah blah "magically stop" illegal immigration...suppose to..deter a fraction of illegal immigration...THE FRACTION NEEDED TO JUSTIFY IT IS TINY" lets examine that it is tiny well how tiny roy? how tiny? tiny enough to spend 349 billion on it tiny enough to militarize it? tiny enough to not care what comes into the country? tiny enough to turn the other way and not nuke Mexico? the last one was just for laughs. R6- mitigate definition from some dictionary lessen or to try to lessen the seriousness or extent of or make less severe or harsh. So we are not actually trying to exhaust it or stop it completely but mitigate it fancy that. "one objective is to prevent trucks from being run across the border carrying drugs or, potentially, terrorist weapons of mass destruction" wow Roy using the "fear technique really.......really that is just sleazy I find it amazing you didn't use a normal car but you said truck I assume you mean the big rigs Roy the ones that get inspected before crossing the border those "trucks" is it those you're talking about? and again what terrorists' do you so speak of? I assume you mean Mexico's neighbor America's government. 1953 U.S. overthrows minister mossadeq of Iran. and installs shah as dictator 1954 U.S. overthrows democratically-elected president arbenz of Guatemala.200,000 civilians were killed. 1963:U.S backs assassination of south Vietnamese president Diem. 1963-1975: American military kills 4 million people in southeast Asia. September 11, 1973 U.S. stages coup in Chile. Democratically-elected president Salvador Allende assassinated. Dictator Augusto Pinochet installed. 5,000 Chileans murdered. 1977: U.S. backs military rulers of El Salvador. 70,000 Salvadorans and four American nuns killed. 1980: U.S. trains Osama bin Laden and fellow terrorists to kill Soviets.CIA gives them $3billion. 1981: Reagan administration trains and funds "contras." 30,000 Nicaraguans die. 1982:U.S. provides billions in aid to Saddam Hussein for weapons to kill Iranians 1983: white house secretly gives Iran weapons to kill Iraqis. 1989: CIA agent manuel Noriega (also serving as president of panama) disobeys orders from Washington. U.S. invades Panama and removes Noriega. 3,000 Panamanian civilian casualties. 1990: Iraq invades Kuwait with weapons from U.S. 1991: U.S. enters Iraq. Bush reinstates dictator of Kuwait. 1998: Clinton bombs "weapons factory" in Sudan. Factory turns out to be making aspirin. 1991 to present: American planes bomb Iraq on a weekly basis. U.N. estimates 500,000 Iraqi children die from bombing and sanctions. 2000-01 U.S. gives Taliban-ruled Afghanistan 245 million in "aid" Sept.11, 2001 Osama bin laden uses his expert CIA training to murder 3,000 people R6-continued- 2006 we're referencing old news does that number in any way amount to even half of what wasn't seized since you so lovingly put it "border security is not perfect" so every the number goes up which simply means that there is more than that since we cannot account for all of the drugs coming into America because of the fence that is just a minor set back. Also the people are crossing into America because there is no border or because there is no one to stop them well now there is apparently. Again with the terrorists can you name them these terrorists? LA examiner you apparently read the site wrong did you misquote it as well? So, have these so called terrorists in any way affect us why is it that when supposed terrorists move into terrorize another country they are now threatening us which means again to my earlier alternative for nuking Mexico. R7- Roy concedes that we simply cannot afford to keep this border operational immigrants coming to America by the thousands stealing our education and money how can we even let them do this we should nuke Mexico that way no one is in danger. We are a gun loving country why not nuke loving as well. Roy also concedes the fence being breached and that the fence only deters us from other matters more important at hand such as the wars and health C. conclusion: My opponent has faulty arguments make's specific arguments then tries to generalize them to the whole border which is a logical fallacy just F.Y.I. and most of his "arguments are facts" with a link am I suppose to assume what he means? does he expect me to build his case for him based on reading assignments? http://www.azcentral.com...