Baptism is the Point at which a believer becomes a Christian,

"My response: Andy Jesus said in John 17 twice Father I do not pray for these alone, but for all those who would believe in me through their word, that they may be one as I am in you and you are in me, that they may be one in us that the world may believe that you sent me. Debates are not about us, as to who won or lost, but what did we learn? Is our belief correct in the sight? Are we contributing to division or unity? Unity creates belief. This is why I debate, If what I believe is wrong, a good debater will bring that out. I would change, and the reason why is because Like those who thought they were saved in Matthew 7:21, and were not, I do not want to find out on that day, for it will be too late. Now concerning using the Greek, In a debate if ones opponent is more skilled in one aspect and he uses that to bring out truth, That is as fair as can be. Look at round one, "Accepted evidence in this debate, must be the Bible. Your understanding and Three quotes from three different sources per round and one of them must be from the bible. Also at the end of rounds 2, 3, 4, 2 questions may be asked and must be answered by the opponent in the next round at the beginning. Now it does not matter if you like or agree with my sources, or if you like my questions or not, them are the rules that were agreed to. I have not figured out why you have not given your sources, and asked questions. So I am just complying to the established rules. And finally I would think if you are wrong and I prove myself right that you would want to change and obey the truth of God. So if You are proved wrong would you change?" That may be but you have way to many rules. We should just go with the flow more thats all I am saying. Just have fun and not be so technical about it. And thats fine with the greek all I am saying is I am choosing not to get into that aspect of it. I would have posted my sources last time but I ran out of space. "4 If you agreed that they were not saved in verse 37, and were saved in verse 47, what did they do that got them saved, between those verses?" Their repentance and confession. "We have the privilege of asking each other questions, I asked you to harmonize these passages. I never said that you said anything about harmonizing them. Now you are totally misunderstanding these passages and the theme to this book. This was a letter and just because Chapters were added to it, does not mean that each chapter has a beginning and an conclusion to the thoughts presented. In this book You produced a defense using Rom 10:9-10 as being what a person must do to be saved. What I was asking is Rom 6:7 and Luke 13:3 also have a lot to say about what one must do to become a Christian, and they must harmonize with Rom. 10:9-10. So if you understand how to harmonize them I am asking you to do so. Question: IN Romans 6:7 when according to this Previous verses, is Paul saying they died? Question: did these People Die with Christ when they were Baptism? Question: Would you agree that In Rom 6:1-7, these People were believers and they were baptized into Christ Death, burial, and resurrection , At that Point they were forgive of their sins, and not before, For he who has died has been freed from their sins Rom 6:7? Question: If not why Not?" I understand but all I am saying is don't give me an argument then a bunch of questions about that argument let me respond to the argument 1st. its fine if you want to ask questions once in a while but not in every round after every point you sound more like your teaching a class then having a debate. 1. Romans 6:6-7 is describing what happens when a person gets saved not how one gets saved. 2. Luke 13:3 although you've ripped both of these verses out of context id say it means you must repent in order to be saved. "Question: IN Romans 6:7 when according to this Previous verses, is Paul saying they died? Question: did these People Die with Christ when they were Baptism? Question: Would you agree that In Rom 6:1-7, these People were believers and they were baptized into Christ Death, burial, and resurrection , At that Point they were forgive of their sins, and not before, For he who has died has been freed from their sins Rom 6:7? Question: If not why Not?" 1. Question is this talking about water baptism??????? 2. Question is this talking about water baptism??????? 3. aha read a few verses down "7 For whoever has died is freed from sin. 8 But if we have died with Christ, we believe that we will also live with him. 9 We know that Christ, being raised from the dead, will never die again; death no longer has dominion over him. 10 The death he died, he died to sin, once for all; but the life he lives, he lives to God. 11 So you also must consider yourselves dead to sin and alive to God in Christ Jesus. 12 Therefore, do not let sin exercise dominion in your mortal bodies, to make you obey their passions. 13 No longer present your members to sin as instruments of wickedness, but present yourselves to God as those who have been brought from death to life, and present your members to God as instruments of righteousness. 14 For sin will have no dominion over you, since you are not under law but under grace." Romans 6 (New Revised Standard) We die to sin not by baptism but by considering ourselves dead to sin and using our bodies for god not for sin. Read further down still "23 For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord." Romans 6 (New Revised Standard) Question can we work for a gift??????? Question Isn't baptism a work??????? "1.Confession alone is not enough to save. Vs. 21 2.Obedience to the will of the father is a must. Vs 21 3.Many think they are saved because they Cast out demons and Prophesied.22 b.Think they done wonders in the sight of God.22 c.We can assume they confessed and believed in Jesus by the context.23 4.But even though they think they did all these thing or even if they did all these things, they are hell bound. 5.Yet Romans 10:9-10 " that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation" 6.So what does it matter? Both verses teach a united principle, Believing is always ongoing in the truth of God's word. If one believes he will confess, he will repent, and he will be baptized into Christ into the forgiveness of his or her sins. It matters Preacher Andy because many people are hell bound because they are preaching a gospel other then the Holy Spirit authorized in the scriptures, and Jesus said in Matthew "the blind lead the blind and they all fall off into the ditch together." Paul says in Gal. 1:8-9 that if you preach another gospel, you are hell bound. Son there are those who have a Zeal for God but not according to knowledge, that's bible. I have showed beyond a shadow of a doubt that Baptism saves a believer who confesses Christ and repents of his or her sins. How because it bring those who have been baptized into Christ in contact with the blood of Jesus. And we are washed in his blood Rev. 1:5 Now friends if I had time I could show that there are 25 things that happen to a person after they have been baptized and not before." 1 Confessing Christ is the point at which one is saved. 2. Is it possible because this was judgement day Christ was talking about this was the first time they had confessed Christ many do work in the lords name and go to church although is that the same as "9 because if you confess with your lips that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For one believes with the heart and so is justified, and one confesses with the mouth and so is saved." Romans 10 (New Revised Standard) Sources 1.NKJV 2NRSV 3. WWW.BibleStudyTools.Com