Border Fence

Thank you for the reply SnaxAttack Rebutalls R1: High crime from IllegalsPro starts out by saying that 40% of murder convictions in Florida were criminal aliens. There are a few issues I have with this. First of all, this argument is a red herring. Pro doesn't really explain why a border fence specifically would prevent these crimes. Like I had explained in my earlier argument, illegals are have still managed to enter the country. All these statistics that Pro provided take place after 2006, which was after the "Secure The Fence Act" was passed. So, an attempt to build a border and prevent crime has failed pretty much, and Pro doesn't give us any reason as to why it should work if we complete it. I would go into Pro's stats into more detail, but the statistics do not actually say where the immigrants actually came from. Breitbart.com, a "Conservative site" has left that detail out. If the immigrants came from the area where the border fence was built, I would be able to point that out or not. However, I'm not given a whole lot of information from Pro to refute.My second argument is that immigrants aren't nessarily the direct correlation for the crime rates. "A new report from the Immigration Policy Center notes that while the illegal immigrant population in the U.S. more than tripled between 1990 and 2013 to more than 11.2 million, “FBI data indicate that the violent crime rate declined 48%—which included falling rates of aggravated assault, robbery, rape, and murder. Likewise, the property crime rate fell 41%, including declining rates of motor vehicle theft, larceny/robbery, and burglary.” (1) So, there isn't a whole lot of proof that immigrants are continuing to create crime, when the crime rate itself is on a steady decline. These stats are taken from primary sources such as the Immigration Policty Center, and feel free to check them out for any bias.R2: Illegal Immigrant Corruption by the MediaThis argument isn't related to the topic of Border Fence. So even if the "Liberal Media" is biased, why should be build a border fence? This argument doesn't explain anything about border fence, or does it even have the words "border fence" in it. I have no reason to trust a Conservative website that says a Liberal website is biased, no more than I would trust a liberal website accusing a conservative website of being biased. Regardless, it's irrelavant to the notion to build a border fence. As it simply adresses illegal alien crime.R3: Illegals Brings More Diseases to this NationPro is saying that illegals are bringing in more infections and diseases, and we shouldn't let them in because we should not risk our health for theirs. The source Pro provided has, said that those immigrants are "at risk" of being infected, and that most of those diseases can be cured by vaccines. Even if it isn't, I see not reason as to why we cannot just keep them from entering our country. A border fence essentially try to keep them out, but if we intecept those people, and quarantine them for their diseases, they can be kept from spreading it. Regardless, if they do get sick, immigrants will still have to pay for their health insurance, so It isn't like we are forced to pay to mend them back to health. I don't see why the 70% we aren't affected should pay for the 30% that could be infected. It isn't like terrorism, we aren't aware of who is the terrorist or not. If he is infected, we can see that with emperical evidence.R4: They Recieve Unequal RightsI'm not going to dispute the numbers of illegal holding jobs, as you actually gave a reliable source, but what the article does not tell you is how many American's would actually want those jobs. The article simply says "This is patently false because they are working in jobs in which U.S. workers are also employed — whether in construction, agricultural harvesting or service professions." This doesn't give us enough information. In an industry, there might be just a couple natives who are employed in that sector, and the rest are immigrants. That doesn't mean that American's want those jobs. It just means a few are working in that sector. Pro should have given us some survey or poll that states that americans want to work those jobs, because just sayinig a few guys work there, isn't a whole lot of information.R5: Reduces crimeThis argument is an example of whole correlation doesn't equal causation. The source you gave doesn't say that the border fence itself was responsible for these crimes. Infact, the study is showing 2004-2011, and there was no border fence back then. Only 2006 and after. Pro's graph on California is also misleading. Just because non-border counties have higher crime rates, doesn't mean that the border fence was responsible for that. Those counties may have just been more violent to begin with in the first place. Infact, you can see both non-border and border counties have a decrease in crime, so if border fence is reducing crime, then how come the non-border fence is also experiencing the same? Pro even said that immigrants are creating more crime earlier, so it doesn't add up.R6: Economic BenefitsPro's analysis on economic benefits does not make sense to me. The graph he provided is showing how many people were intercepted and deported. It has nothing to do with economics. Pro even says that Mexicans who are deported, benefit more econmically. This statement makes 0 sense. How do they benefit? Why would they even leave Mexico to come to the U.S, if they were getting more benefits in the first place? That doesn't make any sense. Pro basically fails to explain any point on economics in this argument.R6: Helps the EnvironmentThis argument doesn't explain how the border fence actually helps the environment. Pro simply says it is made out of wood and metal. So? how does that help the environment? That is simply saying it is made out of wood and metal. Pro ignores the wildlife that is displaced when we build such a long fence to "protect the border". Anyways, this argument doesn't explain at all how the environment is actually be helped by wood and metal.I await Pro's rebutalls :)(1):http://immigrationpolicy.org...