SDA Doctrines about the year 1844, the Heavenly Sanctuary and Investigative Judgement are Unbiblical

He begins with the claim that Seventh-day Adventists are known for keeping God"s word and doing everything according to the Bible, yet, his only proof of this was a link to his own church's website. The fact is that his church isn't even built according the structure laid out in the Bible for the Christian Church. "And God has placed in the church first of all apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then miracles, then gifts of healing, of helping, of guidance, and of different kinds of tongues. " (1 Cor 12:28) "So Christ himself gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the pastors and teachers, to equip his people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up. " (Eph 4:11-12) Adventists do not have any living apostles or prophets in their church today, though they do have pastors, teachers and evangelists, so they pick only three out of the five-fold ministry of Ephesians 4. They do not speak in tongues, nor perform miracles, yet all these things are Biblical and part of the church. 1 Corinthians 14:2 says "For anyone who speaks in a tongue does not speak to people but to God. Indeed, no one understands them; they utter mysteries by the Spirit. " Seventh day Adventists don"t obey this verse. I could go on, but the debate is about 1844, the Investigative Judgment (IJ) and Sanctuary doctrine, so let me deal with his rebuttal. 1844 Con tries to find the beginning of the 2,300 days by quoting Daniel 9:25, but this doesn't help him because it doesn't mention the 2,300 days. This verse gives the beginning of the 70 weeks, not the 2,300 days. Then he gives four links to make his argument for him, and I had to endure the tedious task of reading all this information to see if I could find one good argument showing when the 2,300 days began, but found none. My challenge to him is to show me WHERE IN THE BIBLE DOES IT SAY THAT THE 2,300 DAYS BEGINS IN 457 BC? Yes, the 70 weeks began when the word went forth to restore and rebuild Jerusalem, but where does it say that the 2,300 days began when the word went forth to restore and rebuild Jerusalem? Nowhere, so your doctrine is unbiblical. Notice he says William Miller came up with the 1844 date. The fourth website in his list said "Millennial hopes culminated in the fervent expectation of Christ's return on October 22, 1844. " . http://www.adventistreview.org...... It was William Miller who falsely claimed Christ was coming back in 1843. This is the same false prophet who said: "I answer, if will allow the Bible to make a chronology, we shall find this year, 1843, the date - years from Adam's fall will be finished. Then the antitypical Sabbath of a 1000 years will commence. Rev. xx. 6: "Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and Christ shall reign with him one thousand years. " (Life and Views, p, 157) If he was wrong about 1843, how do we know he isn"t wrong about 1844? He himself rejected Seventh-day Adventism, and all the theories that came out of his movement after he was proven wrong. (William Miller's fifteen proofs - truthorfables. com). http://www.truthorfables.com...'s_Time%2520_Proved_15_Ways.htm #confession, yet Adventists keep saying he was right! And where does the Bible say we should give a false prophet a second chance? Once he was wrong about 1843, he had no place setting the 1844 date. (Mark 13:32) The fact that 1844 is a false doctrine is proved in the fruit that it produced. SDA prophet Ellen White said: "For a time after the disappointment in 1844, I did hold, in common with the advent body, that the door of mercy was then forever closed to the world . . . I was shown in vision, and I still believe, that there was a shut door in 1844. " (Selected Messages 1 p. 63) This doctrine led them to stop preaching the gospel for a long time, but they couldn't keep it up. Ellen White also said: "I saw that God was in the proclamation of the time in 1843. It was his design to arouse the people, and bring them to a testing point where they should decide". .. I saw the people of God, joyful in expectation, looking for their Lord. But God designed to prove (i. e. "test") them. His hand covered a mistake in the reckoning of the prophetic periods. Those who were looking for their Lord did not discover it. " God designed that his people should meet with a disappointment. " (Spiritual Gifts, vol. 1, pp. 133-137, written in 1858) Ellen White blamed God for their false prophecy of 1843. Even though it was false, she called it "the truth. " Instead of just admitting they were wrong, the SDA Church used these errors to approve another prediction: "The hand of the Lord was removed from the figures, and the mistake was explained. They saw that the prophetic periods reached to 1844, and that the same evidence they had presented to show that the prophetic periods closed in 1843, proved that they would terminate in 1844. Again they had a point of time. " (Spiritual Gifts, vol. 1, p. 138) . http://loudcry.org... Though the 1843 chart was wrong, Ellen White says it was exactly as God wanted it: "I have seen that the 1843 chart (Wm. Miller's) was directed by the hand of the Lord and that it should not be altered that the figures were as he wanted them. " (Early Writings p. 64 edition 1882) The fact that they blamed God for their error, and taught that God tricked them by hiding the error only then to move his hand, shows this is false doctrine. This isn't the character of the God who does not lie or play games. This should not be the fruit that true doctrine produces. THE HEAVENLY SANCTUARY Yes, Hebrews 8:5 says that the earthly tabernacle was a shadow of heavenly things, but this doesn"t prove those heavenly things are exact carbon copies of what is one earth. For example, Hbrews 10:1-2 says the animal sacrifices were also shadows of things to come. When Jesus came he was not a carbon copy of a sheep or goat. Colossians 2:16-17 says that the festivals, new moons and Sabbath are also shadows that pointed to the reality, Christ. Certainly there are no carbon copies of the yearly Passover, Festival of Booths or new moon observances in heaven, is there? In fact, the Bible shows that the veil or curtain which separate the Holy from the Most Holy doesn"t represent another literal curtain up there in heaven as part of a building, but rather, represented Jesus" flesh. "By a new and living way opened for us through the curtain, that is, HIS BODY. " (Heb 10:20) Now, here is a problem for my opponent. Jesus' body didn't exist until the incarnation in Mary's womb, so was the heavenly sanctuary that Moses saw in the blueprints missing a piece? All this shows that what is foreshadowed by the OT types like the sanctuary and animal sacrifices are not carbon copies. I never said there were no buildings in heaven, what I said is that they are not carbon copies of what is on earth. Revelation 4:2, 4; 11:19; 14:17; 15:5 and Job 1:6 do not give a physical description of heaven"s temple, so none of these verses he cited prove it"s a carbon copy of the tabernacle set up by Moses. Also, Revelation is a very symbolic book that borrows Old Testament imagery. When Revelation 14:1 talks about "a lamb" we don"t believe there is a literal lamb in heaven, do we? Revelation 4:5 says that before the throne, the same throne Con is referring to, there are seven lamps. Literal lamps, in heaven? No, this same verse says the lamps represent the seven spirits of God, so the temple, the lamps, is all symbolic imagery drawn from the Old Testament. It's too weak to use as proof of a literal copy of Moses' tabernacle in heaven. I wonder if Con thinks the four living creatures in Revelation 4:7 literally have the faces of a lion, and ox, a man and an eagle. The temple is just as symbolic as these faces, and the lamps. Con then cites John 14:2, but this just agrees with me that there is no carbon copy of the earthly tabernacle in heaven, for the one on earth only had two rooms, but in heaven there are MANY. INVESTIGATIVE JUDGEMENT Ecclesiastes 12:13-14 says that God will judge all our works, so, he is able to do so without reading a bunch of books in 1844 till now. Does it really take an all-powerful, omniscience God over 171 years from then until now to read the records of the lives of people? Further, when the judgment takes place, the resurrected dead will be "standing before the throne" as the books are opened according to Revelation 20:12-13. Since the resurrection didn"t occur in 1844, and since the dead were not "before the throne" in 1844, we know this Investigative Judgment SDAs claim began then didn't really happen. How ironic that Con would cite 2 Corinthians 5:10. Who appeared before the judgment seat of the Anointed One between 1844 and today? UNANSWERED QUESTIONS (1) No reply to the fact that Daniel 8:14 says "evenings and mornings," not years. These are literal days. Nothing about a-day-for-a-year in Daniel 8. The SDAs added that. (2) No reply to the fact that the type doesn't fit their anti-type: the Lord's goat is to die on atonement day AFTER the yearly service, but SDAs have Jesus die, then do yearly service for 1800 years, before beginning the Day of Atonement in 1844. (3) No reply to the fact that the vision of the ram, goat and little horn begins in 550 BC with the rise of the Persian horn over the Medes, and not in 457 BC as SDAs claim. (4) No reply to the atonement being complete by the time Romans 5:Romans 5:1, 9-11; 3:21-25; 1 John 1:7; Ephesians 1:7 and Hebrews 9:12, 24-26 were written. (5) No reply to Isaiah 44:22, sins blotted out before 1844 when SDAs claim such blotting out of sins began. (6) No reply to my proof that who is prepared for God's kingdom was known before 1844, making such investigation needless John 10:14; 2 Tim 2:19; Matt 19:28; 2 Tim 4:7-8 and Heb 11.