Muhammad False or True Prophet of God

PRO SAYS "Obviously we are not prostrating for the house that Abraham and Ishmael built, we call it the Kaaba, the house of God, the actual pillars are the pillars of the Mosque not the Kaaba, Con accuses Muslim of Paganism because we prostrate, when the Bible clearly disagrees with him: Exodus 34:8 "And Moses made haste, and bowed his head toward the earth, and worshipped." Deuteronomy 9:25 "So I fell down before the LORD the forty days and nights, which I did because the LORD had said He would destroy you." 2 Chronicles 7:3 "3 All the sons of Israel, seeing the fire come down and the glory of the Lord upon the house, bowed down on the pavement with their faces to the ground, and they worshiped and gave praise to the Lord, saying, "Truly He is good, truly His lovingkindness is everlasting." MY RESPONSE to this is First the pillars are still apart of the temple in Mecca. God said do not erect pilars and a sacred stone to bow towards. That's the problem you have is nit picking the things that csn go off topic from recognizing what is truly speaking to you. Now like I said if muhammad killed men of these middle eastern societies who c were idol worshipers then I think we should judge him by the standards he judged and killed their idols and traditions by. Part of that is to not justify and look at the problem and white washing it. The hajj and visit to mecca is the repeating ritual of pagans and thats what you are instructed to do every day. The verses you sent to me about Moses bowing to earth isn't saying he recommended the jews to bow to an image. He bowed in the direction he felt he needed or were he was at because he knew God is all knowing. The failure you have with the Leviticus 26: is that you don't see that God is saying don't set up a stone and bow toward it as sacred. To separate the bible people and prophets bowing on the ground face down is a not a mandatory decree. Islam is a mandatory decree. We know previous Babylonians like Nebuchenezzar had the whole kingdom bow to his image ; as a command . This was a pagan popular decree to cause unity in a kneeling ritual. Lev 26; 1 Reward for Obedience 1"R39;"Do not make idols or set up an image or a sacred stone for yourselves, and do not place a carved stone in your land to bow down before it. I am the Lord your God" -Moses the prophet My question to end that pagan stone in Mecca is by this question; I expect you to answer. Do you consider the kaaba as being sacred ? Do you consider it a stone or an image ? If you were in the middle of the kaaba and you looked all around you, would you see people heads facing you all around ? If these answers are yes then your saying to Moses it's ok to disobey idol worshipping . Done with that. Pro says, "In Islam, Prophet Muhammad never lied and was trustworthy, never gambled and never worshipped Pagan Gods, the Arabs knew the presence of the one true God, but ascribed daughters to him, which Con mentioned, but therewas never an Idol called 'Allah' We simply follow the Prophets of God, again ignorance shown from Con" What ignorance ? I say Muhammad did fabricate a thing against Allah and that was a lie? Fabricate is a form of lying. So I provided the verse Muhammad said he fabricated aka lied on Al Illah aka allah by his own sayings , "Then the Messenger of God said, "I have fabricated things against God and have imputed to Him words which He has not spoken." (The History of al-Tabari, Vol. 6, pages 108-111)" He will later probably tell us a lie to sooth the beating of truth. PRO will Probably say we'll the hadith is untrustworthy. That's the Tricks muslims Use. In some other class they are teaching something from Tabari or Sahih Bukhari ,which tells off on the false prophet. People that lie are called liars. All humans make mistakes Muhammad did the worst of a prophet and that is to lie on his God and he suppose to be a prophet. You said what God did Muhammad serve? We don't know specifically but he claims A llah but there is no allah in the prophets and the arabs say allah as if that's a god. They will tell you we say God by Allah but it's really Illah as if allah was a real historically named God. The God of the Bible or Torah he never served he just called this Jewish/christian God Allah meaning Al Illah aka allah. He didn't know the christian God until Khadijah mentioned our faith to his pagan mind. Even then , by her is the reason muhammd started calling the demonic angel in the cave Gabriel as they all him jibreel. Not that it was Jehovah who was making him his messenger or not that it was Gabriel but it was demonic and misunderstanding of what this angel was. So to answer you whom Muhammad served it was unknown but he left his Father's religion and mixed it with the Christian God. "Let me clarify something, the Pagans used to worship one God which is Allah, but then drifted from the straight path" Well see no thats not true and it is true. The time before muhammad there was always pagan worshippers in the land. They were either Christians or Jews and we know what happened to them when they heard this man's teachings against the son of God. Many were killed, pagans ans monotheistic believers. "So we know that they still have the old rituals but have corrupted them, and made pagan gods:" First of all Abraham never built any stone monument in mecca. There was no need to go that way in the desert. His traveling way led back to Israel. The only ones journeying there would be Hagar and Ishmael. Who were sent off from Isaac whom Ishmael laughed at when he was born. "So Easter is the day Jesus rose from the grave." It is all Pagan, X-mas, Easter,etc: "The Sumerian goddess Inanna, or Ishtar, was hung naked on a stake, and was subsequently resurrected and ascended from the underworld. One of the oldest resurrection myths is Egyptian Horus. Born on 25 December, Horus and his damaged eye became symbols of life and rebirth. Mithras was born on what we now call Christmas day, and his followers celebrated the spring equinox. ." The war is simple with the devil and jesus. The warfare the angels fight is a prevention of the messiahs lineage . If I was an enemy of your son who is to come . What should I do to stop your son from coming to earth? Create ways to stop his birth from happening. If you told the world he would set all men and women free and by knowing and believing your son you will receive life and riches with with the king. What would I do as your enemy to stop make the story of your som vein so many will look at your kid as just another kid? I wil tell you how I would stop his birth and make vein to the world hi message so they would look at him as just another kid. So also is the warfare of Satan against the son of God. The ways Satan has left his footprints in trying to stop God's Son is to reveal Revelation and demonic inspiration to make stories so similar to the coming Son of God. So that when he comes many will say haaa This story we have never saw but we have heard of it and it previously was a myth. HAAAA YOU COPY THE PAGANS THEY WILL SAY. Satan as a watcher of all prophets he knows the prophets Nd word of God on earth. So when he saw the first prophecy with woman he heard, " and with you in from the seed of woman shall crush your head and he shall bruise your feet." What did Satan pick up from there historically? He picked up that from a woman birth will he be defeated. So he planned beforehand religions and myths against the messiah just as I told you in the parable of your son to come. So when you tell me of this. It's nothing to me Satan is working and was working before Jesus came. I love the way you call it the Bible verse about the woman and Dragons because and that story is exactly what God says about Satan trying to plan beforehand to take out Son of God. (Jesus) As the bible says (HE) is the male child and In Genesis he is the Seed of woman aka Mary and that Seed and malechild is the Messiah the one whom satsn prepared many myths for to make vein the prophecy of God. I have refuted your atheistic try against Messiah which your own faith says that he jesus is Messiah. Yet you brought his story to be like a myth as if the quran doesn't contain the virgin birth lol. This attempt to degrade Messiah's life is a prime example of what Jesus says these people praise me with their lips their hearts are distance from me." Every single little attempt of your misunderstanding I have taken care of in my rebuttals only to help you understand the powerr of my God and the truth. That this isn't pagans just because Messiah's stories looks similar to pagans. The best part to know that all this pagan similarity is demonic is because if yoy look if anyone fulfilled the pagan myths . You will find no man is known to be the one to raise from the dead and be seen by over 5,000+ while Alive made things happen that no Pharoah or Caesar or Zeus could do. Like I said paganism another tactic of the pre planning Satan to stop what is to come. So also is Muhammad's job. The shirk law was just created by Satan's messenger to further the antichrist movement on earth until God makes his decision to send the Son. Then when Jesus comes Satan will have an army against the Son of God preplanned as ordered by muhammad. Just as he preplanned to stop Jesus glory by mocking his coming with myths before. Pro says "I tried to find the source for this, unfortunatly Pro is using Answering Islam www.answering-islam.org/authors/cornelius/sun_in_muddy_pool.html " Amen I have been getting help from my friend named David wood and Sam Shamoun and etc. If it wasn't for them no one would be interested in debunking Islam. They have a show on 3abn and the show is called Jesus or Muhammad. And you guys who are Muslim watch Dr Zakir Naik video to come up with doubtful exclamation . . Also Valtin says to us this verse to make it ok for Muhammad to lie. Satanic verses: I told you it is unreliable, and clearly not true because what is said in the Qur'an: "Never did We send an apostle or a prophet before thee, but, when he framed a desire, Satan threw some (vanity) into his desire: but God will CANCEL anything (vain) that Satan throws in, and God will confirm (and establish) His Signs: for God is full of Knowledge and Wisdom: That He may make the suggestions thrown in by Satan, but a trial for those in whose hearts is a disease and who are hardened of heart: verily the wrong-doers are in a schism far (from the Truth)" 22:52-55" W hat does canceling out what Satan has cast in mean to me if he did not cancel out Mohammad from talking about the other gods and bragging on the other gods ? Don't say you got cancelled something if Muhammad already said it. Pro has made a a statement that I don't know give at the end of 1st I will address the beginning.. " "the only time period jesus allowed others to think he was a prophet was when he was to keep his identity hidden." Again he showed the same response about hidden identity from the previous debate, that Jesus had a hidden name!! "Please do not lie on Jesus because you do not know him personally, and therefore do not know his secrets he has some" I do know Jesus he said I would and he lives within me. Also you said I don't know his secrets ???? Lol sorry that's so cute. One day you will ask ans he will answer you and one day you will ask him to come into your life to show you he is still alive and in his name you will be saved only. Even your book says he is alive and is not touched by Satan. So one day you will take a clean step ans lose your debate against whom you don't know or believe. Just as Paul opposed the Son came to him as Lord. You said I don't know the secrets of Jesus. I do know the christs secrets because it's in his word that is the gospel of Jesus. And also Jesus being the son of God ,and being God being is a secret that evidently you don't know. Jesus says I have made these things known to you what was secret. John 14; 16 And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever" 17 the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be[c] in you. 18 I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you. 19 Before long, [[the world will not see me anymore, but you will see me. Because I live, you also will live.]] 20 On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and (I am in you.) 21 (Whoever has my commands and keeps them is the one who loves me.) The one who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love them and (show myself to them.) Now my favorite correction to the muslims on my facebook debate page is the correction of the judgment day before Jesus. `75;You said this awesomely incorrect that my joy is over spilling to explain it to you. You quoted me `79;" away with me you who doeth iniquity for I never knew you " That is what Jesus will tell you!! quote the full verse!! Matthew 7:22-23 ""Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?'" Muslims never cast out demons in Jesus's name or perform miracles in Jesus name and do not prophecise in Jesus's name, that is what the Christians do!! and Jesus will tell you in the day of Judgement: "23 And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.' Jesus will tell you he NEVER KNEW YOU! `75; my response To Pro is very easy. Jesus casted out demons himself and his disciples did also too. Yet does jesus say to himself I will deny my disciples and myself? That doesn't make since like saying the jews killed jesus because all Jews didn't kill Jesus . So when Jesus said i will deny you he was speaking of the ones who misuse the christian life and leaves hik for Islam or those who simply didn't obey christs commands. Nobody fires their best employees. So also Jesus too. 10The disciples came to him and asked, "Why do you speak to the people in parables?" 11He replied, "Because the knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of heaven has been given to you, but not to them. 12Whoever has will be given more, and they will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what they have will be taken from them. 13This is why I speak to them in parables: "Though seeing, they do not see; though hearing, they do not hear or understand. 14In them is fulfilled the prophecy of Isaiah: "R39;"You will be ever hearing but never understanding; you will be ever seeing but never perceiving. 15For this people"s heart has become calloused; they hardly hear with their ears, and they have closed their eyes. Otherwise they might see with their eyes, hear with their ears, understand with their hearts and turn, and I would heal them."a .. .... 16But blessed are your eyes because they see, and your ears because they hear. 17For truly I tell you, many prophets and righteous people longed to see what you see but did not see it, and to hear what you hear but did not hear it. 18"Listen then to what the parable of the sower means: 19When anyone hears the message about the kingdom and does not understand it, the evil one comes and snatches away what was sown in their heart. This is the seed sown along the path. 20The seed falling on rocky ground refers to someone who hears the word and at once receives it with joy. 21But since they have no root, they last only a short time... Now demons fear Christians csuse the name of Jesus christ and some of rhe fslse christians use his name and it is power but at at the end they will convert to another belief like judas. So just as judas was a disciple of Jesus he also betrayed and gave up jesus for money .. The same people like judas and those who deny what jesus says for a lie like islam they will be told I don't know you ex christian you loved muhammad and a foreign God than my Father and myself. You say God has no Son well Idk know you. You say Buddha is God's way to heaven ? I don't know you then. Simple as that. So I'm very very sorry viewers that Pro is so off subject to rebuttal things that have nothing to do with the false prophet. My previous rebuttals said it all. Please think deeper than spelling errors if you can make out what is said. If not ask me and Pro in comments to understand what we said. I'm on my Samsung typing with no editing Microsoft Word or etc. Muhammad was killed the precise way of the Qurans angels said. Then also the ways the God of the bible says a false prophet would if he was speaking of other gods. Failing to be the prophet like moses as the muslims stole from the book they say is corrupted (bible). Lastly I have said everything I wanted about how he was not a true prophet. Based on the Quran hadiths and also the Bible. Lastly to focus on why muhammad wasnt the prophet of I will address this last false prophecy of Muhammad they day is in our bible. Muslims take this verse and run with it to try to prove their book right about muhammd being in our book. This gives them a reason to say unbeliever, in Surah 7 verse 157. Notice that islam will brag on him not being a lettered prophet; meaning illiterate. Because in this verse in the bible it says someone can't read. Isaiah 29: 11For you this whole vision is nothing but words sealed in a scroll. And if you give the scroll to someone who can read, and say, "Read this, please," they will answer, "I can"t; it is sealed." 12Or if you give the scroll to someone who cannot read, and say, "Read this, please," they will answer, "I don"t know how to read." 1. Note that the one who can't read in this is I saiah 29 prophecy is not one person. It is more than one person. In fact the people in Isaiah asking to know the words on the scroll is not an angel as the Qur'an reveals the angel asks muhammad to read. These (people) not angel ; are asking the illiterate to help with understanding the prophecies against them who hate Israel. So by knowing the bible they may see what is coming against them. This is by no means talking about a coming prophet who is illiterate. Or an angel asking him to read. The chapter starts as God defends Israel against those who hate them in the last hour and day. Guess what, Islam hates Israel. So it seems to me this isn't an angel in verse 11 who wants to steal the words from the bible but it is a group of Islamics and blind enemies of God. The ones looking In our book looks to understand but God has blinded them. So they say help us understand Christians what God plans against us who hate Israel. So it's not good to put muhammad as a blind and illiterate guide to the word of God. For that person in this prophecy knows nothing. 2. The false prophet prepared his life acting as if he was illiterate and can't right or read to fill I'll this prophecy. Proof muhammad was literate basically disproves muhammad as the unfettered prophet as he stressed in the Qur'an See Bukhari 1:3:114 Was Muhammad illiterate or literate based on many hadiths ?" The answer you will see is no." 1:3:114 Ibn 'Abbas said, "When the ailment of the Prophet became worse, he said, 'Bring for me (writing) paper and (I will write for you)a statement after which you will not go astray.' But 'Umar said, 'The Prophet is seriously ill, and we have got Allah's Book with us and that is sufficient for us.' But the companions of the Prophet differed about this and there was a hue and cry. On that the Prophet said to them, 'Go away (and leave me alone). It is not right that you should quarrel in front of me."" See notice his followers getting mad at him. Muhammad was about to spill the beans.what i mean is that he was literate and they were crying that he should not write and show he is literate less they all be ashamed of following a liar. So they cried . Another verse to kill the thought of Muhammad being illiterate is this Book 19, Number 2993: Narrated Yazid ibn Abdullah: We were at Mirbad. A man with dishevelled hair and holding a piece of red skin in his hand came. We said: You appear to be a bedouin. He said: Yes. We said: Give us this piece of skin in your hand. He then gave it to us and we read it. It contained the text: "From Muhammad, Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him), to Banu Zuhayr ibn Uqaysh. If you bear witness that there is no god but Allah, and that Muhammad is the Apostle of Allah, offer prayer, pay zakat, pay the fifth from the booty, and the portion of the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) and his special portion (safi), you will be under by the protection of Allah and His Apostle." We then asked: Who wrote this document for you? He replied: The Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him So that is further reasons Muhammad couldn't be a prophet. I have provided a lot and thank you for this debate to open the peoples eyes.