Atheism is a sound position

See how shaken he got? He knows he didn't prove atheism accurate(otherwise he would be an atheist). He knows he cannot do it so he got mad LOL. "Either that or you're calling the Bible, and therefore God, a liar. You can take your pick there." Well is atheism the disbelieving in the God of the bible or all gods? Its all gods. "Even if he limited his power, he would still be all-powerful, which would still bite into the loop" No since God can do it both at the same time while a positive outweighs a negative it would mean God can both limit his power and be all powerful without limiting anything. You say its illogical for God to be all powerful and not at the same time (which is not my argument.. But you want to argue that a all powerful being cannot do something which is illogical so If god is all powerful he can limit his power without limiting his power. "this would suggest that there are multiple realities or dimensions of space-time" No this assumes God is not all powerful so cannot exist in 1 realm. God made physics not the other way around. If you want to say God needs to do something illogical to limit his power, then using the same math he can without it being a limitation to Him. This rebuttlol failed. He says God needs to be so all powerful that he limit his power, then he says God cannot do it. ohhhhh "this seems to contradict your statement that morality can only come from God. Why would it matter if suffering didn't exist if God already provided us with what it's meant to be right and wrong? " Because without evil our good and objective provable standard would be incomplete. With it would be a new unimaginable color, which would be like evil, then in turn good would not exist. ", suffering doesn't have to exist for us to know that being evil is bad and not being evil is good." But of course without the concept of evil the concept of suffering wouldn't exist and vis versa. Hitler had the concept of evil and killing. "there's no argument to say that if God were not all-powerful, that he could not take away suffering and yet still provide an objective standard of judging right from wrong and good from bad. The fact that you presume it can't be done seems conducive to the fact that the argument is sound." There's no argument to say that if God were all knowing he would know the best way to provide the standard. Without evil it would mean good is no more than a new unimaginable color. Since God is good without good we wouldn't have any concept whatsoever of God. So evil must of existed in order for us to know God "then if theism was false, atheism must be true." No because if 1 theism is false it would mean an unknown theism could be true. We don't default to atheism. "1. They're the same thing. 2. Even if they aren't the same thing, it's an easy, logical jump to make that says if it's good, we ought to do it. 3. Let's return back to your point about how without suffering must exist under God because without it we lose the metric to decide what good and evil is. This is why even if secular theories don't explain why we should do something, you still prefer them because they can still dictate what is good and bad without suffering existing, whereas my opponent's arguments concede that God requires suffering to dictate what is right and what" 1. No they are very different. 2. Why ought we do good? 3. But without a evil a good wouldn't be in any type of morality system Multiple morality systems are evidence of a conflict confusion among secularists "This would suggest that you would have to be winning that a) that there IS extraordinary evidence of God's existence, which you have yet to prove, and b) that God DOESN'T actually contradict the Third Law of Thermodynamics. Since you are doing neither and just making bland assumptions and assertions, I can easily ignore this and ask voters to do the same." but of course a) A lack of evidence isn't evidence of absence. This isnt does god exist debate its is atheism a sound position. b) If God made everything that means physics. So your argument fails