English premier league vs Spanish la liga.

I showed that they can compete in both their league and the champions league. I did also say the EPL has more title contenders. //I would like to point out that only three of these teams have won the title in the Barclays Premier League, those were Manchester United, Chelsea, and Arsenal.// So the other teams would be Liverpool, Mancity, and Tottenham. I will argue each team individually. Liverpool: Liverpool have never won the premier league however they and Manu are the most successful English clubs. They have won an equal amount of titles. The only reason they haven't won the premier league is because the premier league wasn't called the premier league until the late 90's.[1] They are also the most successful English club in terms of the champions league. So there is no doubt that Liverpool are a top club. Manchester city: A couple of years ago I think it was, Mancity became one of the (if not the) richest clubs in the world. Unfortuntley money does by success; teams like Chelsea, Real Madrid and Mancity have proven that. Mancity have one of the best teams on sheet in the EPL. So far they have bought the likes of Carlos Tevez, (Currently 2nd top scorer and was one of the top last season.[2] the Toure brothers, Silva, Joe hart, Adebeyor (on loan), Edin Dzeko, James Milner, Gareth Barry, Richards, Adam Johnson and more. I hate Mancity with a passion but I'm afraid there is no doubt they are a top club. They were second place not long ago by the way. I think so far I have given good reason that there are at least five top clubs in the EPL. Tottenham: Like I said Tottenham are the most debatable but I think there is good reason to believe that they are a top team. Their manager Harry Redknapp is one of the best managers in the world. When he took charge of Tottenham a few seasons ago Tottenham were lingering in rellagtaion battle. Then Redknapp came and now they have been a serious contender this season. There have also been numerous cries for Redknap to become Englands manager as Fabio Capelo has not been doing well. They are currently 5th place (1place ahead of Liverpool). They are also fairly rich. They were doing very well in the champions league this season as well. And beat the likes of Inter Milan 4-0. they have Rafael Vander Vart, (one of the best players this year) unfortunately he was injured for part of the year. Gareth Bale, probably the most talked about player at Tottenham. Modric, and Defoe (scored either 4,or 5 goals for England I cant remember before getting a long term injury) Tottenham also finished fourth last year //In fact, those are the only teams that really had a realistic chance of winning it this year.// Wrong. Mancity were second place not too long ago. And have had one of the most outstanding players this year Carlos Tevez and one of the most outstanding keepers Joe Hart. I strongly negate the fact that Valencia, Villarreal, Atletico Madrid, and Sevilla should be considered top teams. And if any of those teams should be considered so, than I say all six teams I mentioned are definitely top teams and more. None of those teams did well in the champions league for the ones that qualified and, as previously shown,[3] there is a large gap from Real Madrid to Villareal. As I provided evidence for the six teams I claimed to be top, I ask my opponent to do the same in the next round. I still strongly support the fact that the EPL has six while the La Liga has two teams capable of playing at the highest level. //"All the EPL's best teams are at the same level." ____ This is a complete joke;// etc... I think my opponent has greatly misunderstood me. I do not see how though. I claimed six teams are "top" in the EPL. Where my opponent got the idea that WestBrom Albion, Wigan Athletic, and Wolverhamton Wanderers were included is beyond me. And by the way the EPL's bottom teams beat the top teams all the time. Manu were unbeaten for a long time, then they played Wolves and lost. //(2) "As I have said the EPL has 6 good teams. " I think I have shown that this statement is incorrect, or incorrectly stated.// So my opponent claims teams like Tottenham and Manchester City are not top teams in the EPL yet teams like Atletico Madrid and Sevilla are for the La Liga!!? Yes I think the double exclamation marks were appropriate. //Newcastle is one of England's most prestigious clubs; they had a rough year, etc..// I don't see how these claims refute my argument. I think it helps it. I do not see cons point. //Secondly, its not unusual to have averaged positioned teams with world class talent. David Villa previously played at Sporting Gijon, Zaragosa, and Valencia before coming to Barcelona. Look at the likes of Eto'o, Milito, and Canales.// That's the problem with the La liga. All the good players that play for average teams move to Barca or Real. Unlike the EPL. But my opponent has confused me again. He states it is not unusual for an average positioned team to have players with world class talent. Then he mentions Valencia. Earlier my opponent stated Valencia were top, now he is saying they are average. I always viewed Valencia as the third best Spanish team. My opponent is only helping me prove my point in this. //I would argue that nothing says Valencia, Atletico, and Villareal wouldn't also compete for the spot. Also, he suggests that most of the teams being relegated would be Spanish. I really don't think my opponent has proven Spanish teams are lower quality then English teams.// Okay so Valencia isn't an average team again. I showed the quality of the EPL's lower positioned teams. My opponent needs to show the quality of the La Liga's low positioned teams in order to refute my claims. I have also shown that the gap in points between the EPL's worst teams and the best teams is quite small when compared to La Liga's (38 for EPL 59 La Liga) [3] [4] //Barcelona and Real Madrid have very good youth systems, bigger stadiums, just as good coaches (if not better), and clearly better training techniques.// I did say they had a good set up. My argument was for the other teams. All my opponent has done here is restate what I said. //Pro asserts that the defense is better in the Premier league because less goals are scored. But this is illogical// Uh but latter con states that EPL is known for it's tackling. I address my opponents first argument: Every single one of those players played for either Barca or Real for the main part of their career. This is quite good evidence to support my statement that those are the only two good teams in Spain. In fact I think it proves it. Christiano Ronaldo spent almost all his career at Manu before going to Real for 80million. Kaka spent most of his carreer at Acmillan and it was certainly the best part as he hasn't done much at Real so far and was player of the year at Millan. I adress my opponents second argument. It is true that the La Liga is often more entertaining, but why is that relevant? My opponent is addressing wo different styles of play. Whose to say which one is better? My opponent has helped support my claim that the EPL defense is better by stating that the EPL is known for it's tackling. Thank you. And Alonso played for Liverpool most of his career. And the EPL has teams like that too. Arsenal are one of the most enjoyable teams in the world to watch. //. La Liga has the two best teams in the world.// That is a big assertion. Real Madrid have not won the Champions league since 2001, I think it was. And have not won the La Liga for a while. //When the two teams play each other, a game called the El Clasico// I do recall Barca beating them 5-0 in that match. But what’s your point they have those in the EPL too only more. //Ronaldo diving// That's another problem with the La Liga, their players are always diving! I would like to point out that my opponent has broken my rule that Wikipedia may be used but only for definitions. Sources: See comments