Metal (Pro) Vs. (Insert Genre Here)

I didn't try to create straw-man arguments. I just don't understand, why me admitting metal is harder to produce makes rap a more skilled genre. You're trying to say, what I can gather is everyone talented or not can rap or listen to rap. But same thing for metal, its an acquired taste. You can be good at rapping and good at being a metal band.. Making a metal band requires more effort which equals more reward. When I buy a product I don't want to feel like people didn't even try. Rap uses hooks from other songs, samples music from other songs, they sometimes don't even write their own lyrics. And most rappers don't make their own beat. So yes, I think which genre has more skill is clear. Your first paragraph is something I brought up but it was cut for length. Your wiki post showed genres of rap. Two examples being conscious rap with has nothing to do with music, just lyrics that have social commentary in them. Or political hip-hop. These genres are ridiculous and imply all other rappers have nothing of political or social interests to say. American hip-hip and Canadian Hip-Hop have absolutely no difference beside language. The only difference with the many cultures that rap is language. Nothing is unique, lyrically, musically there. It also does not compare with all the metal sub genres, that actually have music differences, even things like pirate metal, it's not just normal metal talking about pirates...Freestyle rap is nothing to do with different music. It's just words they come up with at the top of their heads. I don't believe lyrics differences alone (which make up a shocking number) should count as a completely different genre. In a different argument entirely, hip hop isn't the same as rap. Which also butchers the genre count. All three videos, 1. It was made by a youtuber. 2. Also a youtuber... 3. A much better example of rap and talent then waka flocka flame. But, I hear no classic element to that at all. The bit of piano does not equal classical to me. My point is if this is the best examples you could find, where as my links show very popular, known bands making these consistently, not just a few select track on youtube. I have a feeling if I kept going you'd be scrapping at the barrel to find youtubers that make it. As me not having a great exposure to rap, Rappers having references to events with there lyrics is a common thing sure, but I consider concept albums to have good theme and lyrics that tell a story. I know a few examples of rap having good concept work but its few and far between. How do these lyrics. Yeah, straight out the ****** dungeons of rap Where fake nig**z don't make it back I don't know how to start this ****, yo, now Rappers I monkey flip them with the funky rhythm I be kickin' musician, inflictin' composition Have anything to do with Illiad with sleep and death? It may of been his inspiration. But the point is most rap concept albums don't have a cohesive theme or lyrics. Yes it's wordplay, monkey flip talking about wrestling, something completely having nothing to do with sleep or death. They do make concept albums, and songs about a certain topic but its not as strong as metal, where they don't try to make a clever joke about haters while talking about the war in Iraq or something like that. Or the death of your sister and crying in your expensive alcohol, mentioning your expensive chain. (I cry- florida) A brief mention of both requiring a lot of talent, I disagree, most rappers do not make their beats, some don't write their lyrics. Yes, its easier to make. But how does that make them more skilled that makes no sense. Even then you can still make metal instrumental sound loops and use drum loops to make metal if you really wanted to, just as easily. And when you purchase something, I want to know they people that made it tried their hardest. By making rap acceptable to use autotune for hooks, and steal music or steal lyrics from other people claiming its a reference. Does not equal skill, or it being better. You say you can't say more people are listening and say less are buying everything. Um, yes I can. Youtube proves that now doesn't it? You can listen to something, and not buy it. I pointed out your stats are having rap decrease in popularity vs metal increasing if it kept the pattern of your own stats. In a mere two years, metal would be at 11.6 and rap would be at 9.9. My argument is metal has become popular, it also is more popular than rap in other countries but popularity isn't important. Comparing skill...or which is better overall. Wow, that's twisted, music videos of all time...so the focus being on the video not the song. That statement is very irrelevant. Alright, so popularity alone makes music good and skilled. That's what your going with eh? So this? More skilled and better than this? Some things get popular only because of how bad and awfully unskilled they are. More listening to your message does not make it any better. And how many people bought the first one's track on itunes vs the second one. Listening does not equal successful financially or critically either. You also devalue underground rap, stuff which is much better then the mainstream. Which most fans would agree with. It's not just those 10 rappers, hopsin became famous over his ill mind where he says '**** hiphop'. So many underground or alternative rappers talk down on the mainstream and what is has become, so many rap fans say remember tupac and how rap is dead now. There is an overwhelming amount of fans disappointed in what the genre is becoming. You did not read my comment on your yahoo posts...I said the many people answering said its easy to understand given time. So eat your sarcasm, its misguided. The problem is you didn't post any evidence of metal being hard to understand. I at least posted something to counter. Now to go into a HUGE part of my argument you literally said not a single thing about. Metal has decades of clean vocals. Entire genres have better singers than most pop artists. Some even rap...Your only major argument is insignificant compared to all the variety metal has to offer. I have a feeling you didn't even look at any of my links. Or you'd at least of mentioned something. I have commented on everything you've shown me, you have barely scratched my debating points. Also your videos/links bottom...um had nothing to do with the debate. The last one sends me to nothing so that shows the effort right there. The fifty best rap lyrics of all times was one of them let me show the readers a few of the gems. 1. "The sky is falling, the wind is calling/Stand for something, or die in the morning Rapper uses biblical verse, so didn't make it himself. 2. You hate it before you played it. I already forgave ya. A generic anti hater comment. 3. "Rollin' down the street, smokin' indo, sippin' on gin an juice/Lay back with my mind on my money and my money on my mind. Snoop dogg. Its about drugs,alcohol and chillin... They're better lines but most aren't so good... http://www.darklyrics.com... Read some of these songs and try to tell me those lines, are somehow better written. *miscontrsuing One of your couple misspellings that I've seen. I may not have perfect punctuation or grammar but the spell check they provide caught this...So it shows little effort. Conclusion: A. Popular Does Not Equal Good or Successful even. (financially or critically) B. More skill to create, means more skilled genre. C. Rap is just not as musically or lyrically diverse. Most 'genres' talk about what the rappers lyrics are about or the language being spoken. D. You missed many of my points and didn't debate them. A few things point to lack of effort. (spell check/broken links/random youtubers instead of real well known artists to prove points which makes his 'popular is important' argument so baffling to me.)