jesus was a liar, a fraud, was clearly insane, not the messiah, told you to get rid of your family

I have a lot of thoughts about this and it'll be a bit of a struggle to be able to type them out the way I intend. If I myself say anything that is confusing, please let me know and I will try to explain myself in a better manner. First of all, for your argument, you say that Jesus is a lunatic...if he even he didn't exist. I'm fine with debating both the topic of the reality or lack thereof on the Bible and the topic of God and Jesus being bad figures, but you should separate these ideas with paragraphs even if you're explaining something from both views. You also say that Jesus was not God because God was perfect...except God was not perfect at all because the world is bad. By that logic and your argument, Jesus then WOULD be the son of God. When I say I'm not an expert on the Bible, I mean to say that I can't provide you with answers to every single one of your questions. My goal is that we (or at least I) come to a better understanding and learn more through this experience. I don't know any Christians who claim to know everything about the Bible. There are many things that people can't understand that only God can. You're also no expert on atheism, for if you were, you would know exactly why and how the Big Bang happened and how it created everything. Neither atheism nor any religion can be proved and/or disproved. This is an argument based on our beliefs. I do many essays in English where no one in the class knows 100% of what the writer is trying to say. We come up with theories of metaphors the author was trying to include. Recently, the class read Lord of the Flies and we had to type a paper of what we believed Golding was trying to say about society. I didn't know 100% of it like everyone else. I got an A, not an "instant F". You're already incorrect. If this argument is about beliefs which we both do not know 100% on and you claim that we need to know everything about the topic otherwise we will fail, then we both lose this argument. Why is text the worst form of communication? I've never heard of this but am willing to accept the answer if given a good source. I proved God wasn't "remotely intelligent" by saying that the Bible would be 10 times longer if every detail was included? This was a rather large jump. That was just an introduction to my statement of God not directly needing to tell Jesus that he was given permission as it's a given because Jesus IS part of God. And even if those words were said, it didn't need to be included. I did read section one all the way through. It doesn't really affect my argument as section one states everything INCLUDED in the Bible is perfect and cannot be changed. Things that AREN'T included have absolutely no chance of being altered by humans. Section one has nothing to do with what I said. The Bible was written by people who were being told by God what to write. God was telling them at the time what to write while they were putting down what he was telling them to. It wasn't by memory. Even if it WAS by memory, God would've made it so that they remembered it perfectly as to not screw up what he was saying. Jesus does not hate children. Where does it say anything like that? In Mark 10: 13-16 it shows that Christ was kind to children. Hate is also considered a sin. God does not hate anyone, ESPECIALLY not children. Why do you assume I haven't read my Bible? I'm not as diligent about reading it as I should be, but I went to a private school from 1st-8th grade and we had a Bible class each day. Don't assume anything about who you're debating against because there's a chance you may be wrong. Though I may be a child physically and mentally, I don't find that to be anything derogatory if I'm not acting immature. The brain stops growing at age 25 and I have been doing many things in academics to try and be the best I can with intelligence. Of course, I will always learn more even after I'm 25 years old, but when the brain goes through changes I can adopt lifestyles that are healthy and make them a habit for when I'm older. Jesus was called the "ultimate sacrifice" for a reason. If he's the sacrifice that needs to be made so that sin may be forgiven, then yes, God having him on a cross is sane. Because God is considered to be perfect, he also can't be insane based on that logic. You MAY try to use the previous statement against me to say that I just proved myself wrong, however I can't prove myself wrong with something that simply can't be proven in general. I'm not sure why hell was created either. This is something that I hope we can both learn through this. "And what can anyone possibly learn about suffering?" I'm presuming you're trying to ask "what can someone possibly learn THROUGH suffering" (not trying to be a "grammar nazi" as they're called). Though I am still young and have gone through many trials of my 15-year life, I can honestly say I'm incredibly thankful for them. I was adopted into a family of a mom, dad, and sister. My sister, who I will not name during this conversation, has one of the most severe cases of bipolar disorder and my childhood was not something I like to look back on. I quit piano which I regret doing to this day as the only thing holding me back was the size of my hands; my future could've been great and perfect and I would not have had the life experience I had today. To this day my habits of eating barely anything and not recognizing hunger still affect my life, and obviously, I wouldn't have wanted that. I almost ended my life at the age of fifth grade - however (obviously) didn't go through with it - and despite all the depression and anxiety I have and will face because of it, I would not trade it in for the world. I now spend many hours a week on additional research of different mental illnesses to try and understand them. I get along well with many people who have autism, bipolar disorder, etc. because I know how to treat them and understand what they are like. Life struggles not only build character, but they also allow you to help others, learn more, and grow as a person. I'm not trying to have a pity party for myself but rather give you an example of how something negative can still be good. Your extensive graphic descriptions of child abuse are completely unwanted and unnecessary. They make you seem just as twisted and demented as you seem to say God is. Please stop. God also does not deliberately create children to suffer. Everyone suffers anyways, so of course, he knows it's going to happen. The Bible teaches the beginning of suffering AND the end of suffering. I also wonder whether you will choose Christianity or Buddhism as is seems you would dislike both beliefs. I don't see why, as you say, "I'm full of s--t". What other reason (other than your opinion of Jesus being a lunatic) would Jesus want others to give up their possessions and family to prove their dedication? No one would give up their belongings for something they didn't think was a good cause or had a weak belief in. I do not feel that I need to give up my family or belongings as I have not been called to do that. If I was, I would have a struggle with it but would do so if I felt it was what I was being told to do. I will "put up", though I ask that you do not order me what to do. I, as a matter of fact, HAVE left my family before to live with someone else temporarily. When the person was beginning to show signs of being similar to my sister, I stuck around with them because they weren't as bad. When it came to the point where it was starting to turn into abuse of a parent rather than a sibling, I figured it was a lose-lose situation and decided to go back to a place where I could play piano and create bead necklaces at a table I used as a coping method (there weren't any good ways of letting out stress at the other place I went to). I apologize for my lack of knowledge of neglect being a form of abuse. I hope you can see past that and understand that I am still learning. "Because how can you follow a concept/ and or configuration that" never been tested, declared, or demonstrated to be true?" Though I was doing that, weren't you doing the same exact thing? Using a statistic that isn't true, just as I was, is a foolish move on both of our parts. I apologize for having used a statistic that has never been proven. I will do better in the future. I was never abused as a child. My parents were. My sister would never harm me because she knew the danger of doing that; my mom and/or dad wouldn't hesitate to call help and send her to a hospital like they had done a few times previously. Hearing yelling, screaming, and objects being thrown multiple times a day every single day was what made me want to move to my old friend's place. Children did not have their mouths "literally glued shut". They didn't get any opportunities that I know of, but most young children also aren't known to have tons of deep, great insight on topics. I also used to believe that God was egotistical for wanting us to worship him, however, I learned it was to build a closer relationship with him, not to feed his "fragile ego". He wants people to choose to believe in him so that we're not an army of robots metaphorically programmed to believe in his existence. I will now ask this in a form of a question: Are you asking these questions to find answers or asking these questions to feel smart while not listening to responses? I hope that you comment on this question especially so because then it determines my dedication to this argument. Just because people don't act like a Christian doesn't mean they aren't. When I see this I get mad too. One would think that YOU would be the 15-year-old and I would be the one who's over 40 based on the way we act. Please grow up and be more mature. I'm not ordering you what to do but rather requesting as I want both sides to be as professional about this as possible. Just remember that I do not have all the answers, nor do you