Does God exist

The things chosen by natural selection are mutations which are random, so how do mutations chosen "randomly" end up in a "complex mathematical pattern"? Imagine the mutations are letters painted on pingpond balls, and you are natural selection, carefully picking the letters you want. Would you not have to be intelligent to reorder all these letters into complex, meaningful sentences? Seems you mistook natural selection for a person. What's more, its seems you are confusing organism with information. The information written on paper is not the same thing as the ink and paper. In the same way, the cells, proteins, and other physical components of living things is not the same thing as the information they carry. So while natural selection can "choose" a mutation, it does not "design" the information carried by those mutations. If for example, you were to find a group of proteins growing in the shape of the word "GOD," would you think natural selection did that? What we do find is more amazing - complex mathematical formulas acting as blueprints, encoded into living things. Codes only come from minds. I get your point that only organism that work well survive, but something doesn't need to be based on a mathematical structure in order to work well, does it? There are flowers that don't follow the fibonacci sequence, so there doesn't seem to be any rational naturalistic reason why something has to be layed out on a mathematic formula in order to work. And why would random mutations produce such formulas? Yes, "the Fibonacci numbers in nature are good for maximising space for the amount of light falling on the leaf," but look at how many thousands of leaves don't follow this sequence! It isn't required by nature. You seem to be assuming this sequence could be stumbled upon at random. That would be like SETI hearing a signal made of nothing but prime numbers, and assuming that by accident nature devised it. We all know this would be taken as proof of intelligent life out there, why not the same approach with mathematics in nature? No Christians believes that God came down and made each flower with his hands, but that He designed the programming, which makes their design possible. I don't see how finding such programming in a crystal means that the programs got there by accident. When you see a lovely pattern in a dress, you just "know" it was designed by an intelligent person. But very complex patterns are found in snowflakes. I didn't concede to abiogenesis or evolution. I concede that the Big Bang happened. Also, your questions of "why God did it this way," is like finding a house furnished and even built in a strange way, one that makes you think "I could have done a better job." The fact that you don't understand why the builder did it that way doesn't prove He didn't build it. So the fact that you can't see why God would make the universe this way is not an argument against His design. Its an argument for your limited knowledge of God's will and ways. When you speak of so little life in the universe, you seem to be saying that you know there is no other life out there, which is a bit presumptuous since we haven't been able to search a tenth of the universe as yet. Also, the fact that only one drip of water exists in a swimming pool doesn't show that therefore the swimming pool wasn't fine-tuned for water. The amount of life in our universe is irrelevant. Point is, the fundamental forces of nature are fine-tuned, change them and we could not exist. This will allow us to travel to other parts of the universe once we have the technology. You ask: "Why do you assume that the laws of physics have an equal chance of being different via the Big Bang?" The physical constants given in the Big Bang are not determined by the laws of physics. In fact, the physical constants themselves are the laws of physics, or at least, a major part of it. So for example, the expansion rate of the universe could not have been determined by laws of physics that didn't even come into play as yet. There is no theory-of-everything law of physics that would necessitate the forces of nature to be tuned as they are. So in the absence of any fundamental law(s) governing the arrangement of these constants, there is no reason why just any arrangements on the dial wouldn't have an equal chance. "What if the laws of physics in this universe have a higher probability of forming this universe than others?" Prove it. I didn't bring speculation to the table, but calculations being offered by well-known scientists who have their articles peer-reviewed. Show me evidence from the scientific community that our universe is more probable than others.As I said "If, for example, the expansion rate of the universe one second after the Big Bang had been smaller by by even one part in a hundred thousand million million, the universe would have re-collapsed into a hot fireball. There would be no planets, no life. (Stephen W. Hawking, A Brief History of Time (New York: Bantam Books, 1988), p. 123)" I gave my souces. Please give your sources regarding other universes, otherwise you're the one speculating, not me. Since we have no evidence of any other universe, we have to operate under the assumption that ours is the only one until proven otherwise. Occam's Razor shaves away the need to speculate about unknown universes. So we are left with the ridiculous proposition, that this vastly improbable universe, just happened to come into existence via the Big Bang, on the first go! I don't have enough faith to believe that all these constants and quantities just happened by chance to be just in the right place. Only a Creator makes sense of this. The coming destruction of the universe is predicted in Revelation, so, no surprize to Christians. But the fact that a house will eventually fall apart over the years doesn't prove it wasn't designed. So the coming end of our cosmos doesn't prove God didn't create it. Not even Christians believe that this earth is forever, but I don't want to go into theology here. You seem to be saying that if a God made this universe, you must be able to see the rational in His ways. Let's remember you structured this debate for me to argue for a deistic god who doesn't care about us, or interfer in the universe, so for all we know, such a God could have made this universe as an experiment. Anything is possible with that sort of god you postulate. My only argument is that whatever kind of god it is, the universe shows clear evidence of having been made by an intelligent Creator. You illustration of the lottery doesn't work, why? A statistical impossibility is a probability that is so low as to not be worthy of mentioning. Anything with less than a 1X10^-50 chance of happening is dismissed as never happening, period. Here is an important point about probability. If there are enough possible events with very low probability then it is likely that at least some of them will occur. Or, if an event with low probability is given a large number of opportunities, then its chance of happening at some time may be quite large. But in the case of this universe, we have just ONE chance to get it right, and literally trillions of combinations that could have occurred. Its like closing your eyes and picking the only white see out of trillions of black ones in a pool and the first try. With the lottery, there are many chances as represented in all the buyers of tickets. If only one single person was going to buy one single ticket and the lottery was only drawn a single time, and they won, then that would properly illustrate our universe and us coming into being. But we would know that was a set up. A multiverse doesnt' solve the problem as you need a generator which produces all these universes, which will require its own complexity, just adding improbability upon improbability. I don't assume its a thinking being that made the cosmos, I see evidence of His intellect in His creation