god is not great

You begin by insinuating that God is "omnipresent, then that means he watched Elisabeth Fritzl get tortured and raped for 24 years. .. ," your words implies God enjoys watching such events. Then you went on a rant reminding me of my fallible knowledge of God by your following question, "Do you claim to know the mind of this being? " My answer to Pro's question is, no. I did not claim to "know the mind" of God, as much as Pro seems to know God by Pro's intellectual observation coming to the conclusion that God may be: "omnipresent, impotent, malevolent, etc. " Perhaps, the question of, "Do you claim to know the mind of this being? " should be directed to Pro. Pro went on to say, "Over the course of our planet's existence, 99% of all species that have ever existed are extinct. " Pro, this is part of evolution, the machinery of God's hand in creation. Pro is all over the map, may I say galaxy, by stressing, "The Andromeda Galaxy is going to collide with our Milky Way in about 3.75 billion years. " Pro, I hope you're not losing sleep over this event. Let me guess, we should "blame it on" God. The phrase, "blame it on," seems to be the political correct response these days. In other words, play the victim card, woe is me, "blame it on" God for not answering one's prayers. Pro made a good point, and I thank him for reminding me, one of the parameters of this debate is based on the man written story or scripture "on the god of Abraham. " Let's continue with that theme, I know a little about that story. I must admit, I do enjoy some of Hollywood's movies on such a story around Christmas and Easter time. On a serious note, the philosophical and Constitutional foundations forming the institution of government for the United States, some of our founding Fathers were Deists and most were followers of "the god of Abraham. " For example, in the US Declaration of Independence the scholar Thomas Jefferson stated the following: ""the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God " We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. " Recently, Takac scientifically proved Jefferson's "unalienable Rights," via the newly discovered physical law known as the Constructal Law, aka the handwriting of God. . http://www.bookdaily.com... Jefferson's unalienable Rights influence over Constitutional design, put into motion a relatively short 200-year social experiment. The results of which have changed the world like no other society in recorded history, by the fruits of technology, food production, and medicine, the stables of human existence throughout the world today. A compelling example when these God given Rights are morally free to operate within the awesome machinery of "God's Nature. " Jefferson was a Deists, where John Adams, one of the Founding Fathers of the United States, a follower of "the god of Abraham," once said, "Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other. " Today, the ruling-class in DC lost their moral compass, and for the most part, no longer follows the US Constitution, as Adams predicted. Why take Pro down this segment of human history influenced, in part, by the story of "the god of Abraham? " Unbeknownst to Pro, he is enjoying the miracle from the fruits of technology, food production, and medicine, a result of an institution whose formation was influenced by following the greatness of God's perceived goodness via the story of "the god of Abraham. " Perhaps, Pro should study the founding of the US, and during that journey, may come to find God. Pro should also be familiar with the story of "the god of Abraham," where there was ample discussion about the source and influence of evil. I know Pro is an atheist but it seems he is playing "Devil's advocate" during this debate when he stated, ". .. if such a being [God] really did exist, it seems I would have no choice but to deem him evil. " Relative to one who is a follower of "the god of Abraham," may view the atheist Pro as a mouth piece for the Devil during this debate. Why not? Con is representing the greatness of God, as defined in the story of "the god of Abraham," where Pro is claiming "god is not great. " Who else would make such a claim, but one who is influenced by the Devil, the source of evil, according to "the god of Abraham. " Of course Pro will bounce back with such questions as why did God create the Devil? Why did God create hell? Why did God let Elisabeth Fritzl's "24 years of confinement" continue? Why did God let Hitler do his thing? Why is God today letting Muslim extremist slaughterhouses exist, after beheading Christians, and distribute their meat for human consumption--bon appetite? . https://shoebat.com... In addition to killing Jews and Christians, throughout history, Muslims are killing Muslims over "the god of Abraham," here is a list of some of those conflicts: . http://wikibin.org... Oh, the humanity, all this bloodshed makes Elisabeth's event look like a church scene. Where do you draw the line for God to step in? Pro seems to know. Since Pro claims "god is not great," implying there are problems with God's human creation. Perhaps, God needs to do some evolutionary house cleaning, by sending a meteorite, as God did with the dinosaurs, and see what happens after that. God has all the time in the universe, to get it right. Hence, the "99% of all species that have ever existed are extinct. " Pro should realize the evolutionary process has not ended, and it continues today. And in saying that, one day humanity may become more God like. My Friend Pro (aka the "Devil's advocate") I do not have the answer to the above devilish questions. However, the simple story of "the god of Abraham," claims that we humans have "free will" and this freedom is part of a testing process to send those who are immoral to hell and those moral to heaven. But Pro earlier wrote this "free will" process off as evil, using the example of what happened to Elisabeth. I suppose Pro does not like the way God behaves and the design of the universe; I would recommend Pro take his grievance directly to God, after the termination of Pro's short vacation here on earth. The way time flies here on earth, God's reaction to your grievance will come far too soon. According to the written story of "the god of Abraham," the parameter of this debate, the definition of God represents greatness of everlasting love and the creator of the universe (the position of Con not disputing said scripture), where the scripture also defines the source of all evil is from the Devil (Pro disagrees with said scripture and "blames it on" God). Pro, like most humans, who read man's written scriptures about God, enjoys the freedom to spin their own interpretation of what God wants or in Pro's case, the assumption of "god is not great. " On the other hand, Con simply reads little into the scriptures, taking them at face value, but mainly observing the human reaction from them. Empirically, there are differences between the way Christians and Muslims interpret the story of "the god of Abraham. " It is sad to see such large segments of population worshiping the same God, but killing each other over reference; and along comes Pro with his enlightenment that "god is not great" because God does not submit to the demands of God's creation. Perhaps, Pro should understand the story of "the god of Abraham," and study human nature over the reason why there is evil, while Pro plays the role of "Devil's advocate" by condemning God.