Lyoto Machida has an advantage over Mauricio shogun.

Forrest Griffin did win that in the UFC. I was reffering to the first fight that took place in the Ultimate Fighter. PRESSURE "Let's think about it logically. Would it be tougher to go in with something to lose, and more to gain? (Lyoto) Or Would it tougher to go in with nothing to lose, and everything to gain. (Shogun)" What we need to realize here is that Lyoto has held the belt, after accomplishing astonishing victories, most of which have ended in the very first round of the fight. He would not have any more pressure than he would have after the last three fights. When one loses a belt, they are simply placed behin the new belt holder in ranking, and will get a shot at the title again sooner than later. IF Lyoto loses, re-gaining the title would take no more than maybe two or three more wins. Noq we analyze shogun. He is coming into a fight that he has worked and trained towards for a long time. Him, getting to the belt means that if he doesn't win this fight, he is back to where he started. It would take him at the most another year or two before having the shot at the title again. Risking this, would be harmful to shogun's career. All in all, it would be very bad for shogun to lose this fight. Advantage goes to pro RECORD "He is just proving that my fighter has more experience in the ufc then his…" Yes this is correct. I did this to show that i am not totally closed minded to the fact that shogun is a tough fighter, and having more experience in the octagon, may work to his advantage. Next my opponent argues my point on saying "The amount of wins a person has should not factor into this debate though, because in a fight anything can happen to cause a loss". I personally don't understand the argumentation here, seeing as i was supporting shogun in this argument. Basically what i was saying is that Shogun has not lost alot of fights at all. Machida has not lost any fights. This is going to be a very even match up, and i don't think Shogun's losses would effect his winning advantages in any way. By my opponent arguing this, we must be lead to believe that he supports that undisputed wins, mean an advantage. This being considered, according to my opponent, advantage goes to Lyoto. COMPETITION B.J. Penn was only one belt holder in which Machida gained victory over. Whether the fight between the two was fair or not is for another debate. The plain and simple point being that there are other belts machida has taken. Let me name off the opponents that Lyoto has claimed belts from 1. Thiago Silva (Light heavy weight belt holder) 2. Rich Franklin ( Middle weight belt holder) 3. BJ Penn (Light weight belt holder) 4. Rashad Evans (Light heavy weight belt holder) This is four belt holders that Machida has beaten, whereas Shogun has only taken the belt From Alistair Overeem. My opponent claims that BJ Penn was the only belt holder Lyoto has beaten, but this information is incorrect. http://en.wikipedia.org... Advantage, Machida. CHIN AND STYLE "So the ability to take a punch holds no water in a fight… logically, you are wrong" Not in the case when we are talking about an elusive fighter, who's style is strike and evade, or also known as 'snake tactics'. His chin is also withstanding of hits too, as has been seen in many fights. ""opponents moves, so he can pace himself to that exact striking movement." This also gives him a disadvantage in the knockout department. Lyoto has only 3 knockout from strikes in his entire career. Shogun has 15 knockouts to his name.And I still gave "the style" to your fighter, but look at the legitimate knockouts (from a strike not cuts or Exhaustion) shogun has a lot more, and has never been knocked out… lyoto has still questionability never been hit hard… so the advantage in the chin department would go to shogun because he has been hit… by some of the hardest punchers." Knock-out can't be considered here. Machida has the same exact possibility of a knock-out, that Shogun has. I can't regard this argument though when referring to a fighter like machida, who can dodge most heavy hits like shoguns. He hasn't fought Rampage Jackson, but that doesn't mean he can't take a hit. Also note that Tito Ortiz, another fighter who packs ultimate hard punches that have knocked out many geat fighters in the past, failed to even phase Machida. The whole point, is that Machida is elusive, and being hit isn't as much of a factor, especially when reffering to KO. Advantage pro. "It was not in the ultimate fighter (it was UFC 76: Knockout), and in the first paragraph you told me that my fighter beat griffin… I am starting to question whether or not you have real UFC knowledge." Obviously you have not watched Ultimate fighter. This fight was first within training, and they were selected to fight each other. If YOU had real UFC knowledge, you would have known that there was more than fight that had taken place between the two, and that the UFC isn't the only place where MMA fight s take place. "It is funny that you fail to remember things that you just wrote down… you are saying here that you fighter has the advantage Jiu Juitsu, but you just wrote in the second fight topic that they were tied in Jiu Juitsu" Re-reading the argument, you would find that i specifically referred to Machida having an advantage in experience, which you agreed to personally. It all varies and energy levels, because again, shogun has the submission holding adavantage. Advantage Machida. My opponent has said that i lack UFC knowledge several times in this debate. However i would have to say it's quite the contrary. UFC knowledge goes way beyond just looking at statistics and records from just UFC. My opponent, does not include that there are advantages that spring from MMA fights, JJ tournaments, MT tournamets, Judo tournaments, and other trainings, such as the Ultimate fighter. Just because the Lyoto Machida hasn't been in the Octagon as long, in no way proves that he doesn't have the same fighting history. I think my opponent has offered up a fun and challenging debate. Thankyou comoncents. I Urge the voters to vote PRO. -philosophical http://en.wikipedia.org...... http://en.wikipedia.org...... http://fiveouncesofpain.com...... http://www.ufc.com......