God's Not Dead

On Human Restrictions: It is not only us atheists who say god is subject to the logical absolutes, most theologians and philosophers of religion also say god is subject to the logical absolutes. I am sure, even you would agree that god can't exist and not exist at the same time or that god could not make a rock so big that he couldn't lift it.On Personal/Emotional Appeals: The most important person in my life is my grandmother, the difference between my grandmother and god is that I can demonstrate that my grandmother exists. There is over a billion Muslims , and over 900 million Hindus and they are also convinced of their gods. All religions can't be right but they can all be incorrect.God/Justice/Morality: Your allusion to Dostoyevsky about permissibility is true. However it exactly demonstrates my point; people like justice so you would expect people to create a false justice paradigm to give the illusion of justice and to decrease bad actions. If one lives a life harming others then on one's death bed converts to Christianity, said person should not go to heaven. THIS IS CRAZY. It proves Christianity is not concerned with people being moral. I also find it terribly convenient that every horrific act is forgiven except not having faith in your god.Satan And Presuppositions: "The knowledge of God is written on our hearts, as stated in Romans. All we have to do is bury it all under the sand, and Satan will continuously throw out evidence to support that everything came from nothing, or that we are just part of another universe in an infinite chain of universes." YOU ARE JOKING? If knowledge of god was written in my heart,I would believe. Science is not Satanic,we believe what ever the evidence and reason tells us and there is good reason and evidence for the multiverse.Atheists: I did not know how far back you wanted me to go. Philosophy used to be the main academic field so you would expect most past atheists to be philosophers. Cosmology is a relatively new field, however almost all cosmologist are atheists. Also just because I like Hawkings, that does not mean I have to agree with him on everything. Evolution: OK so you are using kind to mean family. Well this gets at the question of common ancestry because if life had a common ancestor then it would follow that all "kinds" came from this ancestor.Birds and Dinosaurs: Birds-The evolution of birds from dinosaurs was first proposed in the late 1860s by Thomas Henry Huxley, who was a famous supporter of Darwin and his ideas. Evidence from fossils for the reptile-bird link came in 1861 with the discovery of the first nearly complete skeleton ofArchaeopteryx lithographicain Upper Jurassic limestones about 150 million years old near Solenhofen, Germany. The skeleton of Archaeopteryx is clearly dinosaurian. It has a long bony tail, three claws on each wing, and a mouth full of teeth. However, this animal had one thing never before seen in a reptile - it had feathers, including feathers on the long bony tail. Huxley based his hypothesis of the relationship of birds to dinosaurs on his detailed study of the skeleton ofArchaeopteryx. This seems to constitute the evolution from dinosaurs to birds. I would pressume these are two differen't kinds, I'm sorry if I got the definition of kind wrong, considering it's not a real term.-Ubiquitous Genetic Similarity:Human beings share approximately 96% of genes with chimpanzees, about 90% of genes in common with cats, 80% with cows, 75% with mice, and so on. This does not prove that we evolved from chimpanzees or cats, though, only that we shared a common ancestor in the past. And the amount of difference between our genomes corresponds to how long ago our genetic lines diverged.-Universal Genetic Code:Every cell on Earth, from our white blood cells, to simple bacteria, to cells in the petals of flowers, are capable of reading any piece of DNA from any life form on Earth. This is quite convincing evidence for a common ancestor from which all life descended.On Your Weird Argument From Theists Scientist: Just because there were a lot of theist scientist once upon a time, does not mean that theism is true. Tesla and Einstien seemed to be deist/ pantheist. If we are just going by stats, in modern times athiesm wins by a long shot. 93% of the members of the National Academy of Sciences do not believe in a god.Failed Prophecy: I don't find my opponent's argument from prophecy convincing; there are failed prophecies too, but I'm sure he would just push them to the side.Destruction of Tyre For thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will bring upon Tyrus Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon, a king of kings, from the north, with horses, and with chariots, and with horsemen, and companies, and much people. He shall slay with the sword thy daughters in the field: and he shall make a fort against thee, and cast a mount against thee, and lift up the buckler against thee. And he shall set engines of war against thy walls, and with his axes he shall break down thy towers. By reason of the abundance of his horses their dust shall cover thee: thy walls shall shake at the noise of the horsemen, and of the wheels, and of the chariots, when he shall enter into thy gates, as men enter into a city wherein is made a breach. With the hoofs of his horses shall he tread down all thy streets: he shall slay thy people by the sword, and thy strong garrisons shall go down to the ground. And they shall make a spoil of thy riches, and make a prey of thy merchandise: and they shall break down thy walls, and destroy thy pleasant houses: and they shall lay thy stones and thy timber and thy dust in the midst of the water. And I will cause the noise of thy songs to cease; and the sound of thy harps shall be no more heard. And I will make thee like the top of a rock: thou shalt be a place to spread nets upon; thou shalt be built no more: for I the LORD have spoken it, saith the Lord GOD. In this block of text God states quite blatantly that Nebuchadnezzar would completely sack and destroy the city of Tyre. However, the events given in this passage never did come to pass. After a 13 year siege, Nebuchadnezzar withdrew his forces. Despite being conquered and razed by Alexander the Great 240 years later,Tyre still exists. Egyptians will speak the dead language of Canaan In Isiah 19:18 Isaiah says Egyptians will learn the tongue of Canaanites Isaiah 19:18 In that day shall five cities in the land of Egypt speak the language of Canaan, and swear to the LORD of hosts; one shall be called, The city of destruction. Not only has the Canaanite language never been spoken by Egyptians, but it is now an extinct language. There is the very unlikely possibility Isaiah was referring to Hebrew, which is technically a Canaanite language. However, Hebrew was also never adopted by the Egyptians. And according to the context of this passage, Isaiah is specifically referring to Pagan Egypt, which ceased to exist in the 4th century. (See Above) So even if Egyptians started speaking Hebrew at this very moment, it would still be an inaccurate prediction. Also, it's worth noting that Isaiah believes the Egyptians will convert to Mosaic Judaism (a dead religion) and start offering sacrifices to the LORD shortly after this incident, (Isaiah 19:21) a practice no longer done by Jews since the Temple was destroyed and priesthood lost. Ezekiel 28:24-26 predicts that Israel will live in peace with its neighbors: No longer will the people of Israel have malicious neighbors who are painful briers and sharp thorns. Then they will know that I am the Sovereign LORD. This is what the Sovereign LORD says: When I gather the people of Israel from the nations where they have been scattered, I will show myself holy among them in the sight of the nations. Then they will live in their own land, which I gave to my servant Jacob. They will live there in safety and will build houses and plant vineyards; they will live in safety when I inflict punishment on all their neighbors who maligned them. Then they will know that I am the LORD their God. (NIV) A consistent aspect of history is that Israel has never gotten along with its neighbors. (Or, if you prefer, that its neighbors have never gotten along with it.) There's still hope that Israel and the neighbourhood will be peaceful one day, but it requires everyone in the region to stop "inflicting punishment" on each other. In Daniel 8:14, it claims that: For two thousand three hundred evenings and mornings; then the sanctuary shall be restored to its rightful state. William Miller, a Baptist preacher, predicted and preached the imminent return of Jesus Christ to the earth. He first assumed that the cleansing of the sanctuary represented purification of the Earth by fire at Christ's Second Coming. Then, using an interpretive principle known as the "day-year principle", Miller, along with others, interpreted a prophetic day to read not as a 24-hour period, but rather as a calendar year. Miller stated: "My principles in brief, are, that Jesus Christ will come again to this earth, cleanse, purify, and take possession of the same, with all the saints, sometime between March 21, 1843 and March 21, 1844." Nothing happened, aside from a lot of confused Christians suddenly noticing Matthew 24:36 and starting up Seventh-day Adventism. Pro has not adressed my conclusion points in my prior round. He has primarily appealed to the bible and anecdotal evidence and opinion polls/ quotes(which would be okay execpt he didn't offer evidence.Sources: http://rationalwiki.org... http://preposterousuniverse.com... http://www.agiweb.org... http://evolutionfaq.com...