Baptism is the Point at which a believer becomes a Christian,

You said: 1st I want to make one comment I don't want to get into the Greek because I am not as good at it. My response: Andy Jesus said in John 17 twice Father I do not pray for these alone, but for all those who would believe in me through their word, that they may be one as I am in you and you are in me, that they may be one in us that the world may believe that you sent me. Debates are not about us, as to who won or lost, but what did we learn? Is our belief correct in the sight? Are we contributing to division or unity? Unity creates belief. This is why I debate, If what I believe is wrong, a good debater will bring that out. I would change, and the reason why is because Like those who thought they were saved in Matthew 7:21, and were not, I do not want to find out on that day, for it will be too late. Now concerning using the Greek, In a debate if ones opponent is more skilled in one aspect and he uses that to bring out truth, That is as fair as can be. Look at round one, "Accepted evidence in this debate, must be the Bible. Your understanding and Three quotes from three different sources per round and one of them must be from the bible. Also at the end of rounds 2, 3, 4, 2 questions may be asked and must be answered by the opponent in the next round at the beginning. Now it does not matter if you like or agree with my sources, or if you like my questions or not, them are the rules that were agreed to. I have not figured out why you have not given your sources, and asked questions. So I am just complying to the established rules. And finally I would think if you are wrong and I prove myself right that you would want to change and obey the truth of God. So if You are proved wrong would you change? In my last questions I had asked you I made a mistake. I asked 1 In Acts 2:37 Were these people saved at this point? You said "No." I asked 2 Did they have saving faith in verse 37? You Said: "Kind of" I asked 3 And in verse 47 were these people saved at this point? You Said Yes. Here is my mistake, So I rewrote it, and this is what I should have said: 4 If you agreed that they were not saved in verse 37, and were saved in verse 47, what did they do that got them saved, between those verses? I asked "Question How does Romans 6:7 fit into Rom 10:9-10? In order to be saved, the gospel must be obeyed. 2 Thess. 1:8-9, You have totally ignored that passage and grab Rom. 10:8-9 saying this is my verse, and it defeats your verse. Now I know you did not verbalize that. But it comes across that way. So how do we harmonize them? It cannot be saying you can be saved either by belief or obedience to the gospel through baptism? That would be contradicting other passages in the same book and invalidate God's power to save. Thus the Atheist would have a leg to stand on, when they say the bible contradicts itself. So please explain to me how Rom 6:7 "For he who has died has been freed from sins." Fits into Rom 10:9-10. I will go deeper into this in my next post, I just don't have the space in this post. Next can an unrepentant sinner, be saved? Does Rom 10:9-10 command repentance verbally? How does Rom 10:9-10 Harmonize with Luke 13:3? In the same way you harmonize the command to repent, I can harmonize baptism." You responded to the above by saying: " I never said anything about harmonizing them their in two completely different Chapters besides you asked me at what point and I told you my belief plus when you asked me this question was before you even quoted Romans 6:7 you asked me a question I answered it if you don't like my answer that is not my problem" Sword master response: We have the privilege of asking each other questions, I asked you to harmonize these passages. I never said that you said anything about harmonizing them. Now you are totally misunderstanding these passages and the theme to this book. This was a letter and just because Chapters were added to it, does not mean that each chapter has a beginning and an conclusion to the thoughts presented. In this book You produced a defense using Rom 10:9-10 as being what a person must do to be saved. What I was asking is Rom 6:7 and Luke 13:3 also have a lot to say about what one must do to become a Christian, and they must harmonize with Rom. 10:9-10. So if you understand how to harmonize them I am asking you to do so. Question: IN Romans 6:7 when according to this Previous verses, is Paul saying they died? Question: did these People Die with Christ when they were Baptism? Question: Would you agree that In Rom 6:1-7, these People were believers and they were baptized into Christ Death, burial, and resurrection , At that Point they were forgive of their sins, and not before, For he who has died has been freed from their sins Rom 6:7? Question: If not why Not? Sword master asked: "Question: Were these People aware of their spiritual state in Matt 7:21" You Answered: I don't know what does it matter??????? Sword master's response: Lets read Matthew 7:21-23, 21 "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?' 23 And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness! 1.Confession alone is not enough to save. Vs. 21 2.Obedience to the will of the father is a must. Vs 21 3.Many think they are saved because they Cast out demons and Prophesied.22 b.Think they done wonders in the sight of God.22 c.We can assume they confessed and believed in Jesus by the context.23 4.But even though they think they did all these thing or even if they did all these things, they are hell bound. 5.Yet Romans 10:9-10 " that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation" 6.So what does it matter? Both verses teach a united principle, Believing is always ongoing in the truth of God's word. If one believes he will confess, he will repent, and he will be baptized into Christ into the forgiveness of his or her sins. It matters Preacher Andy because many people are hell bound because they are preaching a gospel other then the Holy Spirit authorized in the scriptures, and Jesus said in Matthew "the blind lead the blind and they all fall off into the ditch together." Paul says in Gal. 1:8-9 that if you preach another gospel, you are hell bound. Son there are those who have a Zeal for God but not according to knowledge, that's bible. I have showed beyond a shadow of a doubt that Baptism saves a believer who confesses Christ and repents of his or her sins. How because it bring those who have been baptized into Christ in contact with the blood of Jesus. And we are washed in his blood Rev. 1:5 Now friends if I had time I could show that there are 25 things that happen to a person after they have been baptized and not before. May God get the praise and glory for this debate. In Christ Sword master-