The contradiction between free will and omniscience prove the Christian god a fiction.

In this debate we will discuss whether an omnipotent being can create beings with free will. It'll be a four-round debate where the Pro takes the view that he cannot, and if the claim is made, the claim is false. The Con will defend and argue that somehow it is reasonable that their omniscient god created agents with free will and in doing so defend the claim that god exists. Claims for god - God is omniscient, omnipotent, eternal and transcendent of time. God hates sin, but everything he makes works according to his plan. Claims for man - Humanity inherited sin from the original sin. Men choose to sin because they have free will and knowledge of good and evil, though are tempted to sin by god"s creation satan. Definitions: Omniscient " All-knowing. Omnipotent " All powerful. Transcendent " Existing outside of the universe; not physical. Eternal " Always existing and never changing. Free Will " Making a decision without something external controlling, influencing or determining your decision. The person is the cause of their own choice. Nothing else causes their choice. Sin " An immoral value assigned to certain acts by god, mostly forgiven, but at least partially punishable (such as rejecting the holy spirit). Predetermination " An event was determined by a previous event which is the cause of the event. Step 1 - If earth doesn't exist god still knows what choices Adam and Eve will make on any given earth. Step 2- If earth doesn't exist god still knows what sins will follow Adam and Eve's children. Step 3 - If earth doesn't exist god still knows Bill Clinton will have an affair. Step 4 - God made this exact earth and (presumably) no other earth and knows wholly what will happen on it. Step 5 - God must create a reality predetermined by his knowledge of it. Step 6 " Adam and Eve eating the apple was predetermined, and therefore caused, by god. Step 7 " Adam and Eve can"t have free will. Step 7 - Bill Clinton's affair was predetermined, and therefore caused, by god. Step 8 - Bill Clinton doesn't have free will. Step 9- The religion claims people have free will and god is omniscient. Conclusion - The religion is illogical. Either god knowingly causes all sin, or god lies about his omniscience, or god"s flaws are due to being a fiction of men. Responses to common rebuttals... Rebuttal Type 1 - God gave use free will and sin because otherwise we would be robots. My Response to 1 - An argument from gods motivation does not fix the logic break. If the bible said "And god made all things to be red." and I pointed out the sky was blue you would not reply "God made all things to be red for a reason." That would not resolve my problem with the blue sky. Rebuttal Type 2 - Knowledge of the future does not limit free will. My Response to 2 - This doesn't seem to be logical. Free will is defined as the ability to make a choice without external constraints. You can decide between multiple options, and until you make your decision, what you decide upon is not predestined. But if god made us with foreknowledge of what we would do, he made specifically a universe in which we would commit specific sins. We cannot escape our fate if god knows our fate. Therefore when we sin, god is the cause. "Naa-aa" is not a rebuttal. You have to explain how Bill Clinton could choose not to have an affair if god knew for certain he would have an affair. Rebuttal Type 3 " Omniscience means "knowing everything there is to know." A person"s decision is not a knowable value, therefore it doesn"t apply to god"s omniscience. My Response to 3 " Though this may be applicable in a vacuum, when paired with "omnipotence" it doesn"t stack up. For you are telling me there are values which will exist, but can"t be known by god. This means god is impotent to know these things. Which one is god? Impotent or omnipotent? For if he is all powerful he needs only change the characteristic of a thing to be knowable, or change his own knowledge so that it includes hitertoo unknown values. Placing and external constraint on god, something that"s beyond him, defies the description of god and brings up the same problems. Rebuttal Type 4 " To predetermine the acts of free people would be immoral. Since god is all good, god chooses to have no knowledge or power over his creation. He makes sin so we can have free will, because free will is dependent on knowledge of good and evil. But god is powerless to do anything besides the right thing. My Response to 4 " If god is limited by his nature, he is not omnipotent. For that limitation is immediately something which he can never exceed; he is impotent before himself. But also it is argued that god has a plan for all things, which makes no sense if god is powerless to let human events go unordained. This makes god like a whirlpool which is great, powerful and persistent, yet powerless to do anything but move in one direction. This defeats his own claim; he is omnipotent and can therefore have power over the terms of good and evil. He is omniscient and therefore must establish his plan according to his knowledge of the future he creates. Besides this he establishes a satan to drag souls to the underworld in everlasting torture. None of this lends to a sympathetic hero, infinitely powerful, and powerless before the decisions of his creation to be punished by him for not believing.