Ironman vs Batman

Con certainly does talk about sources a lot, when the only ones he has used were pictures of a hanging guy, Batman on a machine gun, a broken link, and Batman with a pistol. I on the other hand have included actual sources, complete bios, a list of powers, the entire up to date armory, and videos complimenting my argument. Okay so Batman has used a gun in the original Detective Comics, what else was in those comics? Nothing worth mentioning to be honest, Con may as well use the old Adam West tv show, using that logic Batman would certainly win by pulling out his "Anti-Ironman Batspray". Now I can go into detail about how Con contradicted himself, again accidently, he even quoted his own mistake in the last round. " This was a serial of arguments I placed so the intro "finally" means it is the last point I am refuting and the "that he is not willing to kill". I never said he was not willing to kill, I did however say that he lacked the will to kill, even in the link Con posted it showed Batman accidently killing someone, real show of control and skill there, then just saying ah screw it he is better off. Not to mention Dracula is not a person he is a monster. The Joker he killed because he lost control of his rage, breaking his oath. That is not a good thing. Now onto extreme paranoia, Con says he knew about the Brother Eye incident but I highly doubt this is true, regardless, Batman did sense corruption in the JL but it was his general lack of trust that spawned it. Brother Eye for those who do not know was a computer program connected by dozens of sattelites and computers, it gathered information on every JL member, aliases, alter ego's, weaknesses etc. But then it became sentient and attacked the JL almost dooming the Earth. Way to go Bats. What is so silly about a logical argument I ask? This is a fight between Batman and Ironman in the streets of Gotham or some other city, a single fight, no initial intel, and from two people from completely differant universes. Ironman vs Batman, both in full gear, not Tony Stark vs Batman. Not to mention if it was Tony Stark vs Bruce Wayne Tony would win anyway because Bruce does not fight he runs, he protects his secret identity that much. Regardless the notion of Batman sneaking in at night and poisoning Tony Stark is just silly seeing as they are both engaged in a fictional battle. I do not have to give examples of how rage is bad, it is common fact. If you have anger issues you get out of control, you get out of control you make mistakes, simple as that. Truth be told Con is quite astute in regards to the flaunting of powers and killing whoever he wants by Ironman point, however, Ironman kills whoever he wants but the people he wants to kill are dangerous and life threatening, it is not like he just flies down to Wal-mart and blasts the greeter in the face because he did not smile, no he is killing murderous terrorists or maniacs with deadly power rings with armies. Now let us address the battlefeild scenerio, Con COMPLETELY misunderstood what I was trying to say in this point, I was trying to give a reason as to WHY they would fight not WHERE they would fight. It is the simple crossover mechanism, an all powerful being compels the two heroes to fight for the safty of their universe, the fight between Cap and Bats ended up in the sewers, I am not saying that's where Ironman and Batman would fight. But ask yourself this Con, what would happen if they did not fight in Gotham? What if it was New York or LA? What if it was daytime? But for Con's sake to make things easier for him let us just say that it is night and it is Gotham. I ask how Con can say there is no automated targeting system on the Ironman suit? It is in every comic, every game, every movie. How else could he kill twelve terrorists in half a second? Does the suit know what he is thinking? Is he pressing buttons in the gauntlets? No the JARVIS system is targeting them based on artificial intelligence data. So no batarangs in the back would not do any damage because they would never reach him. Also if Con wishes to ignore the video because it ultimately destroys his argument, well there is nothing I can say except that I pity him. The video was NOT gameplay, it was a trailor made by DC, they even made it into a comic, just like Marvel Ultimate Alliance 2 was made into a comic, the civil war series. The video game was a MMO, meaning that while parts are non canon, on the whole it is still DC and every level, every quest, every mission, was written by DC. To be fair if Con were to come up with a ligitimate video or SOURCE that contradicted anything I say, I would concede to that point, but it seems Con just wants to ignore facts that counter his argument. Which one of my sources were fraudulent? What makes them fraudulent? The fact you had to do some delving and probably gave up? Sorry my sources were not little pictures that have no relevance in this argument because they are outdated. I challenge Con to prove that Batman has " night vision,thermal vision,sonic location, and radar" with actual sources, because to me, it looks like he just has eyes poking through a rubber mask. Does he have gadgets that can see in different modes? Yes but they are not interchangable, they don't just switch from one mode to the next, the Ironman suit can do that but then again according to Con it is like the visor and helmet are just a rubber mask as well completely useless. So far Con's strongest argument is the bat veil. Again, they would be nothing more than bugs on a windsheild, not really serving any purpose unless they clung to Batman in giant clumps as bullet sheilds. They do not hide him, at all, he is big they are tiny and spaced out, not really the most challinging game of where's waldo. Con claimed that the EMP's and freeze rays were an unfair example, I say bring them on because I can actually defend Ironman with facts. Con said it himself, the EMP would not shut down the suit, but fry the electronics. This is true, in the Civil War issues (source) Captain America tricked Ironman into taking an electronic disruptor through a false handshake, shorting out his suit... For a few seconds, in moments the suit was completely back online. An EMP would not do much because Stark has secondary power systems just in case of an EMP attack as demonstrated above. As for the freeze ray, even if the blas hit him and froze him, he would be out in seconds through the use of his repulsar rays, flaps, and chest ray, no damage to joints or systems because it is ice... Not explosions, not Thor's hammer, not Hulk fists... Ice... Easily breakable ice, have every one of Mr. Freezes victims died instantly from being frozen? Nope, most of them make it out without any super powers much less a suit of armor. A. Even if the automated targeting system did not stop the batarangs and that is a big if, they would still not do much damage at all, the suit can withstand bombs, tank shells, and bullets, it can take a few exploding toys. B. Let me ask you this Con, can you breathe in space? In the upper atmosphere even? I know I can't, neither can Tony Stark. So how is he able to get to such high altitudes without passing out? Simple, his own renewable oxygen supply, gas grenades would not do anything because of the helmet, it would be like using it on a scuba diver or pilot with an oxygen mask. C. Make that sentence readable and I might be able to refute it, as of right now it does not make sense. "He did address but link to my above text as to how Ironman fails"--??? D. No the grappling hook would still be useless. G. Ironman can lift cars and giant robots, do not make this a test of strength you will lose, and he has plenty of close range weapons, repulsar rays and the chest ray to name a few. I would refute the last few arguments but it appears I have run out of word space, I will use what little I have to say, Con gravely underestimates Ironman.