god is completely bankrupt and immoral and does not know what love, peace, harmony is

If as you say that you are only 10, you are remarkably intelligent and educated for your age. You do realize that I do NOT deal with liars. After I compose this round, the debate will be officially over. "I want to point out is this is stuff you have hand picked from the Bible that can be interpreted as hateful." Oh really? Um wow. Well I take that back in stating that for your age that you are intelligent and educated. Because EVERYBODY no matter of their age who can READ as well as COMPREHEND (in which case you clearly cannot do) would INSTANTLY realize that the verses presented (and there's a whole ton more as I haven't even gotten into the jesus part so its not even close) are nothing but pure unadulterated hate and evil. "The Bible has a ton of other stuff that is good." No it most certainly does not. And suppose what you are saying is true? Then that would definitively prove unquestionably that YOUR bible is filled with massive hypocritical contradictions and inconsistencies in which regardless there's a good 1,000 at least thus making YOUR bible truly unreadable at best. Now to answer the first statement the bible has a ton of other stuff that is good... Why because it gives people false hope. Here's a few correct ideals.. "The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully. Those of us schooled from infancy in his ways can become desensitized to their horror." - Richard Dawkins "The simple solution is to chuck the bible out because we don"t need it for anything, even if there are things in it which there undoubtedly are, even if there are things that are good which there undoubtedly are" they"re not good because they"re in the bible, they"re not good because they come from a god, they are good because they are good, and they are something that we can discover without ever having to appeal to an old book and without having to tap dance around and sacrifice our humanity to make excuses about how we treat rape victims, and how we own people as property, and how there"s some "GRAND CONTEXT" in which all of this isn"t very bad. You have sacrificed your humanity for genuflecting to your religion. And its abominable." Matt Dillahunty "Stop making excuses for your holy book. It is an abomination. It encourages abomination. And the more you sacrifice your humanity and morality to make excuses like "well god really wanted people to love each other but they just wouldn"t so they just wanted to nudge them in the right direction by saying you can own people but don"t beat them too damn much." Its still a weaka$$ immoral god. And YOU are better than that. Stop making excuses for the immorality. Take responsibility for your life and realize that if a GOD tells you that you can own somebody, that GOD is a piece of s--t." Matt Dillahunty "I would say that instructions to kill homosexuals is immoral. I would say the subjugation of women is immoral. I would say that having women inferior position to men is immoral. I would say that selling your daughter into slavery is immoral. I would say that sacrificing the first thing that comes out of your house is immoral. I would say that substitutional atonement is immoral. I would say that the very concept of of sin is immoral" the idea that I could somehow offend a god or something that I could think or do which has no impact in or around in reality is immoral. I would say holding someone responsible for the sins of their father under the fourth or the tenth generation is immoral. How many more do you need before you recognize you are making excuses that advocates for immoral positions?" Matt Dillahunty "I have yet to find an example of a moral standard in your holy book that I find morally correct. Caller "Then if your moral standards are so superior to the living god, then convert me." Matt "My moral standard is superior to the character, in fact my moral standards are superior to almost any character in the bible. I have no problem with that. I"ve said it many times and explained it many times before. I could maybe rattle off a list of sins." "Matt hasn"t killed anybody. How"s about that?" Yeah. I think anybody who advocates slavery is morally inferior. I think anybody that advocates genocide and slaughter is morally inferior. I think anybody that advocates infinite punishishment for finite crimes and deeds is morally inferior. I think anybody that is omniscient and omnipotent and omnibenevolent who creates a society to knowing that people are not going to be able to live up to his standards spends an eternity punishing them or spends many thousands of years punishing them trying to correct his mistakes over and over again he creates Adam and Eve they fail he banishes them out of the garden then there"s the tower of babel then there"s the flood there"s well actually there"s the flood then the tower of babel, sorry I got that backwards, its failure after failure after failure after failure after failure and then finally it culminates. And the only loophole that the creator of all the laws of the universe can come up with, why didn"t he just forgive everybody or change the laws? But instead he just comes up with a loophole where he comes down bodily and sacrifices himself to himself to act for a rule that he created? Its absurd. Its laughably absurd. And its immoral." Matt Dillahunty I 100% agree. I totally agree with Matt that my moral standards are 100% superior to almost ANY character in the bible. "If you try to get clarification, if you try to get what the christian orthodox view is on the law, you're not going to find consensus. You"re not going to find christians "oh here"s what christians think about" they"re all going to have this concept of this different thing now. But as far as it applies and why and what to do with it, they"re all different. Its going to be a hard argument because most have different ideas about it and most are going to change their ideas and start tweeking them as soon as they have to start answering questions because they haven"t looked into it before most of them." Tracie Harris "If I were you I would treat this as an exercise in understanding the whole of the fabric of societies. So maybe go ahead and talk to your pastor and don"t go in with an agenda. Go in and just interact and interview him and find out interesting things. And find out points where you agree and disagree. And then do the same thing with somebody else. Go to your local synagogue and ask them about judaism. Look up as many denominations as you can and have a chat with people. And I think what you"ll find over time is that everybody is convinced that they know the absolute truth. And everybody has wildly different opinions about what that is." Russell Glasser Tracie Harris "We have a scripture that nobody can agree upon. We have written words that people can"t agree on. Human beings, they"re claiming that god exists but he won"t come and show himself and sort this mess out. I mean its just a train wreck. And it seems like that"s what he intended if there really is a god." Tracie Harris "He wouldn"t mess it up or he intended it - right? If god knew that this was going to happen then this is what god intended. Caller: god didn"t intend it. Tracie: Yes he did. You said that god knows everything - right? OK if god knows everything then he knew that this would have happened and he could have done something differently so that this wouldn"t have happened and he didn"t. Therefore god intended this. If you create something and you know what it is going to do and you have alternatives as to how you could create it, and I am assuming that god has alternative options, and he created this the way he did, then what has happened is what god intended. Caller: The problem is that you are thinking this from a human point of view. Tracie (laughing): What point of view are you coming at it from? Aren"t you a human being? So you are coming at this as a human being as well. Caller: I understand. But you got to understand from where god"s point of view as well. Tracie: You can"t understand god"s point of view. Please explain how you as a human being would understand a divine point of view any better than me. Caller: I think once you put yourself in god"s place it does mop itself out. Tracie: I did put myself in god"s place and it does make sense. If I had different things I could try. If I had different cakes I can bake and I know that if I have this recipe I"m gonna get this texas sheet cake and I make this recipe and this texas sheet cake comes out, that"s what I intended. I could have baked a vanilla cake with strawberry frosting but I didn"t choose that option, I chose what would result in the texas sheet cake and I had many options to choose from and I knew this recipe for the texas sheet cake would turn out to be the texas sheet cake, therefor it was what I intended. This isn't difficult!" "When she dies does she get to go to heaven? If she gets to go to heaven will she be happy? And she"ll probably say "yes". And you say "Will you be able to choose and do anything you want while you are in heaven?" And she"ll say "yes." And so you are basically saying "you"ll have free will in heaven?" So you have free will in heaven and no one is being hurt, raped, so you can do anything you want and no one gets hurt. If god has that power in heaven, he must have that power on earth. So he"s chose not to set that condition/ toggle switch which means he"s a dick." Phil Ferguson "Could god have made the world and not suffering? And if they say "no" then he"s not all powerful. If they say "yes", then why didn"t he? Its a constant thing. There"s multiple ways to come at it." Phil Ferguson