It isn't wrong for a person to be gay.

The universe has no stance on death or rape or abortion, there is no evidence that the universe has an opinion on what is right or wrong. I'm not saying that it can't, because nobody can really know, but why pretend that something exists if there is no evidence for it? Even if there is historical evidence that agrees with the events that happen in the bible(little to none), there is still uncertainty without supernatural evidence. You propose that the universe does have an opinion, and that opinion is declared by a celestial being. I would love to see evidence for that claim. Without evidence for this being you are basically saying that all morality comes from an imaginary friend. My friend Steven came up with morality, and Steven is always correct, what Steven says is wrong is wrong. Then you said this, which was interesting. "TheDeAndreOglesby, can you give me "undisputable evidence" on the origin of life? Religion is faith on ideas that cannot be proven by science. You cannot believe Evolution without faith either, for no man posses the knowledge at the time of creation. No one was there. No one can recreate the event. No one cannot go back and observe it. Science cannot prove it"s origin. Christianity cannot prove its origin either. All we have are 6,000 year old documents, and the interpretation of today"s conditions. Religion is necessary to bring up. Without it, we have nothing to start our philosophy with. We would be better off trying to explain on how the existence of everything is just simply one big potato through the logical findings of cosmology." To say that something has to be taken on faith because "no one was there" is a very odd claim. Even if a scientific theory is debunked, it is replaced with a more accurate theory. We have observed evolution in bacteria. When you say - "Science cannot prove it"s origin. Christianity cannot prove its origin either." At least science is trying to figure out how abiogenesis happened, and is trying to prove things, for example evolution has pretty much become a scientific fact. Yes there is a theory, but it is using the scientific definition of the word "theory". The bible isn't even attempt to prove or discover something new, it's job is to tell the reader that "this is how things are, end of conversation". Then there was this comment "But you should also know that all languages evolve. Having new words implemented into their speech every year, to accommodate missing translations. Plus, English (so far) is one of the most complicated languages in the world. If we find a word in another language we don't have, well you can expect a new word to pop up in our dictionary in the next few months." I'm confused how a person can reject the idea of evolution, and then later go on to say that something can undergo small changes over relatively long periods of time. Anyways back to the actual debate. As social beings humans tend to prefer the loss of another species over a loss of someone who is a human, we have empathy for each other, compared to other animals humans used to very weak, and we still would be without the tools we have today. People organized out of self-interest. Why not kill other people? Why not rape and steal? Most people have been drilled and conditioned from the time they were born to follow the laws of their society. Societies adopted these laws in the first place for the well being of the tribe. Don't kill because you are killing your security and the people who help you hunt for food. For a society to work there must be a moral standard set up to avoid chaos and to ensure order. This standard is usually set by an authority figure or group of leaders. The idea that something is right or wrong because a God says so seems like an appeal to authority. How can anyone tell if a god's views on certain topics are just his/her opinions? Why should the ideas of one religion be favored over another. Is something wrong because one group says it's wrong? I agree with you when you say that religion is the start of philosophy, but now we have science, we have philosophy. We have a method for finding out what likely happened to cause the universe to form. Religion is not needed anymore. Groups can say that it's wrong to be gay, and people can set up moral codes for their societies. Morality is man made, and made only for man. Disagree? Point me out to where God lays down the rules that animals have to follow. Like you suggest we have to look at religion, it is our earliest attempt at philosophy before logic and empiricism. Most religions claim that their objective moral values are the right ones, and that the others are incorrect. Without evidence that proves without a doubt that your claim is correct, I see no reason to accept that claim as true. People usually do not do horrible things because over time, people have figured out that allowing some things and criminalizing others leads to a more healthy and prosperous community. It is easier to teach the youth of a society that all morality is objective and unquestionable. When people start to question practices and traditions, culture begins to change. When entire countries in the past have established a national religion, and claimed that their religion's moral values are the correct ones, they are making a false claim. It is a way to control and a way to prevent instability. The modern world has no need for this, we are more democratic. People can question their beliefs without being persecuted. Societies can claim that something is moral or immoral depending on whether or not it harms or benefits the community, but this claim is completely out of self interest. What I want to be true should be true. God says it's bad, I think it's bad, my friends think it's bad. These are all opinions, they are feelings. It may be true that in their eyes they view it as immoral, but this means nothing when we are talking about whether there are moral right or wrongs that are true regardless of anyone's beliefs. Prove your God exists and he is the only God and maybe divine command theory will be plausible. Otherwise I see no reason why homosexuality is absolutely right or wrong. It is neither moral or immoral.