The garden of Eden exist

Because I seem to be hard to understand and make any sense, I will draw out a timeline for how I am purposing the described events played out; Timeline: Adam and Eve get kicked out of the Garden of Eden --> Noah's flood --> Persian Plain floods and turns into the Persian Gulf --> Development of Civilization in the Fertile Crescent --> History of the world unfolds as normal One thing led to another, not all at the same time, there is time in between these events and they did not all directly follow one another within a short amount of time (there where a multiple generations between Adam and Eve and Noah's flood) I have said that I believe that the Garden of Eden is located buried somewhere under the Persian Gulf, so next time larztheloser and I go on a vacation to succubae dive in the Persian Gulf, I'll point it out to him. With all archeological discoveries, excavation will have to take place to uncover it, I have said the general area in which a dig should take place, but there is no way to pin-point the exact location just by looking at a map. If a archeological dig did take place, then I believe that they would find it in the place I described, but no excavations have happened, so we still don't know. As for proving flaming swords and talking snakes; Con said stories are changed over time to make them more memorable, those are the parts I remember from Church. It's the same thing as saying that Jesus existed and was a real person (person-god) , did he exist, yes, is everything the bible says he did true, maybe, but the point is he was real. "…the Earths main geographical features have stayed relatively the same" In the terms of continents shifting, the Earth is three-fourths water, the Persian Gulf/Plain is a large area, but compared to the Oceans, not so much. Regardless of whether it's a major or minor change/feature, it doesn't have relevance or help any side prove/disprove anything. "That does nothing to show that any of these places was the Garden of Eden, because many places were once fertile that are not fertile today" It's not an issue of whether it was fertile land or not, it is whether it was above or below water, under the Persian Gulf isn't an ideal place to farm a farm. "A simple look on a map will further tell you that the Tigris and Euphrates rivers do not flow into one river, unless you count the Persian Gulf as a river" Look at a map (South East of Baghdad)[1], they form one river before they flow into the Persian Gulf. "but even so, that would mean the Persian Gulf EXISTED at the time of the garden, when my opponent's whole theory relies on it not existing" I am saying that the Persian Gulf existed, but it was not underwater, I call it the Persian Plain to distinguish when I am talking about it having water, or not having water. If you were to disconnect the Persian Gulf from the Indian Ocean and drain out all of the water, that is what I am referring to, overtime it became filled with water (possibly by Noah's flood described in the bible or Rise is ocean level). "You can't say the gulf was both for the Noah and Garden narrative because one flows on to the other - the Noah narrative has to be after the Eden narrative, not at the same time." It still existed after Adam and Eve left the garden, until it flooded, everything that was there was unaffected. This is not a debate about Noah's flood, but what I am saying is that maybe what historians thought to be Sumer and Babylon, where actually civilizations created in the Persian Plain (waterless Persian Gulf), and it says that God sent the flood to wipe out everyone because they were sinners, he flooded the Persian Gulf (now has water), and Noah went to Modern day Iraq, outside of the flooded area. "Next he claimed that people migrated from Iraq to all the rest of the world 5,500 years ago. That's firstly an assertion, and secondly a false one, because the Bering land bridge closed 18,000 years ago [4] and civilisation in Mesopotamia only began 7,000 years ago [3], yet people were blatantly living in America when Columbus popped over." After Noah's flood, history as we know it played out as normal (I changed history up until this point). "I explained how the pre-civilisation-Eden theory is incompatible with the hunter-gatherer-society theory espoused by archaeologists" I have not dismissed other creation myths being true. I have also said that all of the hunter and gathers who left the Persian Plain (no water) where not destroyed, only the people who stayed and where there when the flood came died (the people living in the area which the flood hit died). "If my opponent wishes to win this debate, he must show why the story of Eden given in genesis is true, and what he has admitted is that it's false except for the fact that there was once a piece of fertile land that isn't there any more" Was there a closed off, isolated area, that had abundant wild life and fruit trees, yes (I am trying to prove), did the fruits of the tree have magical abilities, probably not. By looking at the landscape of the land you would be able to tell if there one was life in that spot (the garden), or is there was just a normal plain with not farms, gardens, or wild life. In ancient civilizations that have been retaken by wild overgrowth, there is a way to determine weather a certain place once was cleared for farmland, left uncultivated, or had a certain type of species of plant or animal living there (fossils). If the Garden of Eden exist, then you could be able to tell by the amount of fossils found there, opposed to other areas where it was normal forest, or an open plain. Conclusion; If archeologist where to excavate the area I described, eventually they would find enough evidence (fossils) to prove that a garden (The Garden of Eden) existed in that spot (carbon dating evidence can place the time period, and if it matches the correct time, then it is the right time, otherwise it's the wrong bible). To disprove my theory, Con must prove that there is NOTHING significant on the bottom of the Persian Gulf. Sources: 1. http://ancienthistory.about.com...