Existence Necessitates Purpose

As is my custom, I'll start wit some of my opponents ridiculous claims... *********************************** >> "I accept all your definitions and point out that your existence necessitated this debate." False. You cannot possibly logically demonstrate that my existence necessitated this debate. My existence may be a sufficient and necessary cause for the debate, but it did not NECESSITATE the debate. In order to prove that my existence necessitated the debate, my opponent would have to prove that my existence and the debates non-existence is logically impossible. This is clearly impossible, as I have existed for quite some time prior to this debate. >> "Did purpose come first or did existence come first ? Nether can "Exist" without the other." Existence and False. In order for something to have purpose, it must first exist. How would you assign a purpose to a nonexistent thing? It's impossible. My opponent purports that neither can exist without the other despite the fact that one MUST exist before the other CAN. >> "To me simple logic dictates that it has a purpose thus making purpose first and existence second." Your simple logic is clearly flawed. Describe to me please something that has purpose but no existence. You cannot. >> "The chicken and the egg dilemma still" exists" today. " False. At some point in time, a fowl that was not a chicken (but was very much like a chicken) laid an egg with mutated DNA that WAS a chicken. >> "Again, using simple logic why would something exist if it had no purpose to the concept of existence?" This is flawed logic. Consider your argument: 1. Why does something exist? 2. Because it has a purpose to the concept of existence. (whatever that even means) 3. What is this purpose? 4. To exist. Clearly circular and clearly flawed. The entire argument begs the question that existence has purpose in the first place. Sadolite's belief that we are more than a great cosmic accident has no bearing on whether or not existence actually has purpose. But then again, this debate is about whether existence NECESSITATES purpose. >> "A rock being thrown is an effect yes. But why it is being thrown could be considered a purpose. " I addressed this specific case - the purpose is a function of the intent of who or whatever threw the rock. >> "Rocks have a multitude of uses or purposes if you will. They are a necessity for the existence of man we could not live without them." False - man could easily build everything required to live out of wood or bone. >> "Do all things that exist have no purpose or do some things have purpose and some not and if so which do and which don't and why." All unintelligent or unliving things have no purpose in and of themselves. By this I mean that without an intelligent thing to design and use them, they just sit there. The rock qua rock has no purpose. The rock qua missile has a purpose. Why? Again - purpose needs intent, intent needs intelligence. >> "Simple logic suggests that if everything in the universe had no purpose what would be the point of existence." True. But do we really know what the point of existence is? Or is man just a very advanced animal that needs an answer and makes up things to convince himself? For example, the notion that existence necessitates purpose. ************************************* My opponent did not address any of my actual arguments concerning: 1. Vestigial structures. 2. Casual interaction. 3. Purpose requires intent requires intelligence. 4. There is no logical argument that can show that existence necessitates purpose. Furthermore, he has presented flawed circular logic in a weak attempt to show the existence necessitates purpose because the purpose of existence is to exist. I'm quite sorry, but that's simply uncompelling. Consider: If existence necessitated purpose (E), all things would have purpose (P). Some things do not have purpose (~P) - the rock qua rock. Therefore, existence does not necessitate purpose. 1. (E -> P) 2. ~P -------------- :. ~E (1, 2 by Modus Tollens) Plain and simple. Existence does not necessitate purpose.