Jesus is not the Messiah

Thanks to Buckethead31594 for his intreaguing arguments. As we shall see, he has made some critical errors. C1: Jesus did not qualify to be the Messiaha) Tribal lineage comes only through the fatherMy partner concedes that the Hebrew word ha'alma does not necessarily mean virgin. There are indeed cases of times where ha'almah cannot mean virgin. Likewise, I have shown from the Hebrew that the woman was already pregnat. My partner states that the key words are “will give birth to," but that is incorrect. When translating the verse correctly, the vital words are harah and v'yoledet which indicate something that is immediate and shows that the woman is not only already pregnat, but will give birth to a son [at any moment]. Just because Matthew misused this verse proves nothing.I asked what shows that this is Messianic and my partner responded twofold: 1) Israel expected a Messiah. However, from this logic, any verse can be about the Messiah. Just because Isaiah was a prophet, it does not show that he was prophesying about the Messiah in Isaiah 7:14. As I stated, if we read the context, the sign is given to Ahaz (and his house) in response to the Greco-Syriac war that is taking place.2) "The child will be called 'Immanuel.' Immanuel rather means "with us is God." [1] This does not show that God will become a man. Note that God said repeatedly "I am not a man." Based on his logic, Elijah, Elisha, and anyone with el in it is God incarnate--which is pure blasphemy. b) AdoptionEven though both Mary and Joseph were of the tribe of Judah, does not show that Jesus is. Like I said it is determined from their biological father. NOT from the mother.c) Solomon's lineMy partner is having a difficult time understanding that the Messiah must come through Solmon. Let's examine the verses that I gave. For thus says the Lord: There shall not be cut off to David a man to sit upon the throne of the house of Israel . . . . If you can break My covenant with the day and My covenant with the night, so that there should not be day and night in their season; then may also My covenant be broken with David My servant, that he should not have a son to reign upon his throne. . . . So will I multiply the seed of David My servant. (Jeremiah 33:17-22) When your [David's] days are fulfilled, and you shall sleep with your fathers, I will set up your seed after you, that shall proceed out of your body, and I will establish his kingdom. He shall build a house for My name, and I will establish the throne of his kingdom forever. I will be to him for a father, and he shall be to Me for a son; if he commits iniquity, I will chasten him with the rod of men, and with the stripes of the children of men, but My mercy shall not depart from him, as I took it from Saul, whom I put away before you. And your house and your kingdom shall be made sure forever before you: your throne shall be established forever. (2 Samuel 7:12-16; see also 1 Chronicles 17:11-14, 2 Chronicles 7:17-18) And David the king said to all the congregation: "Solomon my son, who alone God has chosen. . . ." (1 Chronicles 29:1) And all the princes, and the mighty men, and all the sons likewise of king David, submitted themselves to Solomon the king. (1 Chronicles 29:24) The question we must ask is how God took the kingdom from Saul. The right to the kingship was terminated with Saul's death--no son of Saul ever sat or had a right to the throne. However, Solmon's descendants are different because one would never lose their right to the throne. The punishment for disobedience would be chastening at the hands of men--but not termination of monarchial right. God made an unconditional promise to David that the prosperity of his seed will go through the one who builds the temple (Solomon), who will possess the kingship forever. We therefore understand that all kings will be from Solomon. [2] (1) All kings of Israel will be from Solomon.(2) The Messiah will be a king.(3) Therefore, the Messiah will be from Solomon. C2: Jesus was a false prophet a) Second temple destroyedAnd Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down. What is the "things they see"? The temple. It is obviously understood to be the second temple and universally understood by all Christian scholars that Jesus was predicting the destruction of the 2nd temple. Likewise, it was universally understood by the early Christians that Jesus would come back in their lifetime--which obviously did not happen. Then Jesus answered, "I am; and 'you will see the Son of Man seated at the right hand of the Power and coming with the clouds of heaven.'" (Mark 14:62 NAB) --Here, Jesus tells the high priest that he will live to see the "second comming." Amen, I say to you, all these things will come upon this generation. (Matthew 23:36 NAB) Immediately after the tribulation of those days, the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming upon the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he will send out his angels with a trumpet blast, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other. "Learn a lesson from the fig tree. When its branch becomes tender and sprouts leaves, you know that summer is near. In the same way, when you see all these things, know that he is near, at the gates. Amen, I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things have taken place. Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will not pass away. (Matthew 24:29-35 NAB)Obviously, none of this has happened. Conclusion: Jesus was a false prophet.b) Kosher lawsThe Oral torah is from God, just like the written Torah is. Likewise, how valid is my partner's claim? Let's look to Peter in Acts 10 to see what he says:"Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air. And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat... According to the Torah, Jews can ONLY eat animals that chewed the cud or had cloven hoofs. However, this sheet contained all types of animals. Notice Peter's response showed that he obviously understood the animals to be non-kosher. Conclusion: Jesus changed the Torah! C3: Jesus failed to meet the Messianic requirements1) Peace on earth My partner makes an incredible claim saying that "who's to show that this promise has not been fulfilled in the past?" History records that shortly after Jesus' death, there was war and the second temple was destroyed--thus beginning our current exile. Certainly sounds like peace on earth? The burden of proof is therefore on you to prove it. 2) Torah observationThis begs the question why church is on Sunday and not Saturday--the Sabbath day.3) Jews to Israel This does NOT show Jesus' position as God! This is utter blasphemy. This does not show that Jesus is Messiah, but that the Messiah is going to come VERY soon. ==Reference==1. Artscroll Tanakh notes on Is. 7:14 2. http://www.jewsforjudaism.org...;