Abortion is ungodly

In round one I stated that abortion is ungodly and I still firmly believe that, as even though we might say that in some cases it can be mercy full we do not have information from god that this is true, but all three major religions strongly condemn murder no matter the circumstances. If we are too say that abortion can be mercy full in relation to a godly action it would be to make assumptions about things we do not fully understand as god is not a human and thus does not necessarily think like one. As said previously god himself has said that if a woman is pregnant and harm is done to her and the child dies life shall be payed with life which can be projected unto a mother killing her own child as well. Over 50 million lives are stolen from us each year through abortion, and that is 50 million opportunities wasted. As soon as the fetus begins its cycle of formation anything that is done to harm it can only be considered ungodly. Even though anything can be godly it will only be so if done by god himself, and it is not to be decided by man if something is godly unless it is something that is expressed as godly by your religious beliefs. God has given us the gift of choice and free will in our life which is why I personally do believe he can with hundred percent certainty predict the future, but he sees the different versions depending on which choices the humans make. In Judaism it is universally agreed upon, in Christianity it is also agreed upon but with slight differences depending if you are catholic , protestant or orthodox, and in Islam it is a debated topic depending on which scholar you ask. It is due to the fact that god knows the future that he can order the strike on Amalek and other events like that, as he knows how it will impact the world and whether or not this for the greater good. It might be true that Israelite and early Christian women did not know how the child would turn out etc., it is important to remember that abortions where very rare due to the dangers associated with them. The only real way to stand with a result like abortion in those days was to get rid of the child post birth, even if there where option to do abortions these numbered very few and where not very accurate or trustworthy. Another factor is that like throughout most of history there has always been a very big social stigma around abortion and getting rid of your child which in those days was even more than now or say 100 years ago. You say we can outright forget parts of religious texts because they have become outdated and irrelevant due to for example scientific progress. If we think like this we might drop religion completely as you cannot disregard sections of the original texts. Anything god does is automatically godly, and god is not good or evil as those are both human terms that cannot apply to the creator as he is above human morals and ethics. Gods action as far as we can be concerned are always aiming towards a greater good even if it not be immediately good in our eyes. We cannot say that abortion that saves the mothers life or a siblings life is godly as there are no texts or references to god doing, and we cannot make assumptions as to how god would act based upon our emotions. It is not the same as protecting your child or wife from a attack, as this has been permitted by god himself on multiple occasions. With the gift of choice and free will there come certain challenges that must be mastered in life in order to prove yourself for heaven. God has designed the human body and its functions, but there is a very big difference between what you call a godly abortion and a medical abortion. Again if we assume that god is all knowing and that he specifically cares for the natural abortions it would still not be relevant to human abortion as a human is not all knowing and does not know the consequences nor does she have the right to take another human life. Saying natural abortion can in anyway justify medical abortion is almost to say natural deaths justify murder I believe through this debate we have come to agree upon most things, the main thing still being whether abortion in specific cases where it can save another humans life could be godly and permitted by god. My final thoughts are still that no human has the right to take another humans life, and that we as humans are not in a position to decide whether or not a baby should live or die but I am inclined to agree that in cases where the mothers life is on the line as most religions consider the mother to be the source of the life making her more important. On the other hand there have been countless examples of humans that have been declared unfit for human life to live for many years to come, some even to the full extent that it has to offer. To conclude I believe natural abortion to be godly due to it being directly influenced by god, while medical abortion is ungodly as we can not know that god would approve of it.