Communism is a capitalist concept.

Did you get this stuff in a flyer at burning man? Let me repeat, your argument is: (A)"Communism is a capitalist concept-capitalists came up with the idea of creating communist countries for the purpose of creating a hidden supply of slave labour." The ONLY evidence you put forth was a conspiracy theory about some guy named Jacob Schiff, and a link about Jacob Schiff which even stated that "It has been claimed that his expenses were paid by Jacob Schiff. There is no documentation to substantiate that claim, but the circumstantial evidence does point to a wealthy donor in New York." Any other reverse you've made are only in the terms of "They". Who's "They"? One of the glaring anti-conceptual premises you seem to be operation under is the idea that the term 'Capitalist' denotes a person with money. Since it obviously doesn't, since there are obviously essential differences between a wealthy king, a wealthy pope, and a wealthy entrepreneur-as well as the inclusion of an individual who is a capitalist and also poor... This premise bears no relation to reality. Since it is impossible to individually address the countless baseless and unintelligible statements you've made in relation to Capitalism and communism, I shall define what we are talking about, and explain to you… History… specifically the philosophical and political history of the two ideas. Basic definitions: (*) Communism, a system of social organization based on the holding of all property in common, actual ownership being ascribed to the community as a whole or to the state. (*) Capitalism is a social system based on the recognition of individual rights, including property rights, in which all property is privately owned. It would be enough to win this whole debate simply to point out that the term and concept 'Communism' originated in France and later emerged as a political doctrine. Basic History: Both Communism and Capitalism emerged out of the enlightenment era thinkers and emerged in different places, by entirely different philosophies, by different people and materialized very differently. Capitalism emerged as a political doctrine in the US and England, during the time of the American revolution, and the end of Mercantilism, with it's major philosophical influences being from Adam Smith(economic thought), John Stuart Mill(Utilitarian thought), & John Locke(Natural Rights thought), which were picked up by later British thinkers and the American founding fathers. Communism emerged as a political doctrine following Rousseau, the upheaval of the French Revolution, and later French thinkers with it's major philosophical influences being from Immanuel Kant, Hegel, both of which transferring to Karl Marx & Friedrich Engels. The effect of the philosophical and political beliefs of the "Rights of Man"(individual rights) that emerged from the English philosophers and the right to one's "Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness" by the American founding fathers had resulted in Britain abandoning mercantilism in 1840 and committing its economy to free trade, with few barriers or tariffs. (Economic liberalization). The same process took place for the US in the 1860s, and heavily took off with the end of the Civil war. Capitalism's time had come, and it was ushered in by the US and the UK. Capitalism cannot work with slave labor. It was the agrarian, feudal South that maintained slavery. It was the industrial, capitalistic North that wiped it out—as capitalism wiped out slavery and serfdom in the whole civilized world of the nineteenth century. What resulted was an era of innovation, wealth creation, and prosperity for all people the likes of which had never been witnessed in all of human history. https://upload.wikimedia.org... The effect of the philosophical and political beliefs of Rousseau emerged into the slogan "Liberté, égalité, fraternité" which culminated Robespierre's reign of terror, and the chaos that lead to Napoléon Bonaparte's bleeding of Europe, while the "self-abnegation, self-sacrifice, and duty" that emerged from the German philosophers added the moral backing to the later formulations of communism, socialism, and fascism alike. Opposing principles: Capitalism is a social system based on the recognition of individual rights. (1)"The recognition of individual rights entails the banishment of physical force from human relationships: basically, rights can be violated only by means of force. In a capitalist society, no man or group may initiate the use of physical force against others. The only function of the government, in such a society, is the task of protecting man’s rights, i.e., the task of protecting him from physical force; the government acts as the agent of man’s right of self-defense, and may use force only in retaliation and only against those who initiate its use; thus the government is the means of placing the retaliatory use of force under objective control." Communism, is a social system based on collectivism and an individual's subjugation to the state. (2) "Collectivism means the subjugation of the individual to a group. Whether to a race, class or state does not matter. Collectivism holds that man must be chained to collective action and collective thought for the sake of what is called “the common good.” Collectivism holds that the individual has no rights, that his life and work belong to the group , and that the group may sacrifice him at its own whim to its own interests. The only way to implement a doctrine of that kind is by means of brute force—and statism has always been the political corollary of collectivism." In Practice: Capitalism's individual rights are practiced by leaving men free to think, act, and keep the products of their thought and action. - IE, Freedom. Communism's collectivism is practiced by the only means it can be practiced, by the use of phisical force, this takes the form of Statism-the political expression of collectivism, which holds that man’s life and work belong to the state—to society, to the group, the gang, the race, the nation—and that the state may dispose of him in any way it pleases for the sake of whatever it deems to be its own tribal, collective good.In Summery: Not only have you failed to provide any evidence whatsoever, but I believe I have successfully proven that "Communism is NOT a Capitalist concept." by demonstrating that not only did the concept emerge from completely separate locations, but also by separate people, with opposing philosophies and histories. ------------------------------------------------------------(1) http://aynrandlexicon.com...;(2) http://aynrandlexicon.com...;