Theistic evolution is not compatible with God or His Word.

Hello to my opponent, and I hope we have an informative and constructive debate on Theistic Evolution as a theory and using it as a basis for having an open and full relationship with God. Please read my definitions above for this debate, and we agree when we say evolution here, we mean macro evolution only. I’m not arguing against adaptation here, but I believe the variation is bounded. So please take note to avoid any misunderstandings. I’m a non-denominational Christian, who believes in the Bible as being the true Word of God. Therefore I believe in the creation account in Genesis and the account of the flood. These 2 factors alone probably create the most doubt in someone’s mind about the actual events being true and therefore the existence as God, and the whole Bible being true and reliable. That’s fair. This is true for Christians and non-believers alike I would imagine. And I don’t blame anyone for that, would you have a relationship with someone you don’t trust or who lies to you? No, I think the answer would be. For this round I will give just 2 arguments, the science of evolution, and the incompatibility of the theory to a theistic worldview. The following round I will give 3 examples of things I think should and must be explained satisfactorily by evolutionists and evolutionary theists for it to change my position. We are bombarded almost daily with the idea of evolution through the mainstream media and publications, and that somehow say ‘science’ has definitely proved this to be true. It makes for persuasive headlines for a captive audience, you don’t really need to believe in God, look its all true we evolved from ‘nothing’ by ‘nothing’ essentially. Just look at these fossils arranged neatly on this table, there you go, man evolved from apes. You don’t need to think about such silly things as God anymore, science has given you everything. But have they really? Have you looked hard enough for answers yourself, or competing views or theories? Could the Bible be true? After all it is your life and possibly after life too. 1.My main argument is primarily against evolutionary theory being regarded as ‘science’, and that the start point for that theory was already based on the assumption that God did not exist. That is, it had already decided somehow God did not exist, everything in the universe is material, and that it could in effect explain everything in material terms. It did not like the creation scenario. Good science already presupposes the existence of logic and math, which science itself cannot explain, and good science surely should be based upon what we observe as physical phenomena in the world, and putting a theory or theories together that makes predictions based on that. If those predictions are proven false, then the theory needs changing or dropping altogether. What we have with evolution, in the broad sense, is that we have no observations of evolution to begin with, or any real phenomena like that to explain. We just had the world and everything in it as is. Yes, there was variation and people crossbred all types of dogs and flowers and plants. As I said, this is not under argument. But there is a limit, variation within genetic boundaries, as such. There was no observation of animals growing new limbs or changing features or organs, and nobody knew the real complexity of life as we know it today, ultimately through the good science, and I like that. Also it gives no explanation as to the origin of life itself. It wasn’t scientific as such, but some attempt at removing God out of the picture and explain everything in material or naturalistic terms. A counter God theory as it were. I don’t see it as science at all. It looks scientific, but it’s somehow not. In essence I can’t trust anything that isn’t truly scientifically objective, and what seems to be purely opinion driven. It’s a materialist philosophy, when clearly the world isn’t purely matter. They have removed the ‘mind’ out of the equation. It was, until the 18th and 19th century, the predominant view that the world was in fact only a few thousand years old. Most people, observing the world around them, would never think of such an absurdity as evolution, in the macro sense. I don’t disagree with them, and it doesn’t make sense to me either. Catastrophism and uniformitarianism were also 2 competing views of the world also. 2. Theistic evolution. This assumes that evolution did occur, but it was a process that God / or Deity started and managed all throughout. Dripping things in here and there and somehow controlling every aspect of it, tinkering with this and that, until we get to man. Again in this scenario we do not see anything evolving (refer definition again if you need to) in this manner, so God has now somehow pulled back and stopped His little tinkering. Also it does not provide any answers to my following cases or observations that I will make in the next round. My main contentions with this idea, are the following: If God had a plan of how or what it was going to look like at the end, why wouldn’t He just make it as He planned it. It’s just so illogical. He has the ability to do it, what gain is it to have Him constantly tinkering with species over billions of years? It makes no sense. You have the plan, the power, the will, why not, just do it? (sorry Nike the god of trainers). In effect you have to endure looking at an imperfect creation for billions of years, I thought He would want a perfect Creation from day one, oh sorry no day 6 J I know He is eternal and outside of our time and He’s got all the time ever, but it’s just clumsy and awkward. Theistic evolution creates more problems than it would ever answer. The idea of the mind/soul or conscience comes into play here. At what point does He decide to inject the now physically perfected humans that didn’t have these things before, and how? I can accept He had full control at Creation, but not this constant interfering in the development of man. Did all humans become divine in His eyes at the same time. Were some humans who didn’t get the God injection in effect just left like zombies, looking all the same but somehow not conscious or divine. It’s just absurd. How does it work? How does a theistic evolutionist read the Bible in any meaningful way, and consequently believe in the divinity of Jesus Christ. It’s almost admitting you think it’s a lie, but you still believe in the good bits as it were. It’s such a weak stance, you undermine your own beliefs. There is not one reference in the Bible to either evolution or billions of years being involved. Jesus taught that scriptures were the Word of God. If he taught that, and you believe in evolution, do you really not believe anything else He said, or that He was not the Son of God? 2 Peter 3 1:5 Kind of makes me want to believe in the creation story. 1 This is now, beloved, the second letter I am writing to you in which I am stirring up your sincere mind by way of reminder, 2 that you should remember the words spoken beforehand by the holy prophets and the commandment of the Lord and Savior spoken by your apostles. 3 Know this first of all, that in the last days mockers will come with their mocking, following after their own lusts, 4 and saying, “Where is the promise of His coming? For ever since the fathers fell asleep, all continues just as it was from the beginning of creation.” 5 For when they maintain this, it escapes their notice that by the word of God the heavens existed long ago and the earth was formed out of water and by water, 6 through which the world at that time was destroyed, being flooded with water. 7 But the present heavens and earth by His word are being reserved for fire, kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men. Thank you and I hope for some interesting responses and your arguments of course.