The War in Afghanistan is futile and a waste.

Was a good run. Had some trouble do to character limitations so I hope I was able to get my point across effectively. We shall see. "We have as I pointed out, got more soldiers killed in this war than on 9/11 and add on top of that the extreme financial strain""I would ask that you don’t include other lives lost in foreign countries due to terrorism. "Iv already stated my position on this. Since you included our allies soldiers death toll which is the only way to bring our military losses higher then the losses on 9/11 then you must also include the lives of those lost around the globe. Other wise its practically cheating. We've only lost 2,259 American troops. That's 700 less then 9/11. "It also goes to prove my point yet again that security measure HERE are what stop the attacks. Not a war 10,000 miles away. " Iv also covered this point. That by the statistics we don't even see that many ATTEMPTS at foreign jihadist attacking the US. These few attempts we thwarted by our law forces here but that's not the argument I'm making. Its because of our presence there that the bulk of the enemy is to distracted to even get the chance to make the attempts. "From what it sounds like, there is no cost too great. "Of course there is. I just don't think we've reached that point yet. "Why? Well say we weren’t over there like before 9/11. How would these jihadis get here? Exactly how they did before. It’s not like our countries are sharing borders so they could just mount a 100,000 man army and march here. They don’t have a navy or airforce. We are protected by our oceans and two countries on our northern and southern border. I know, Canada wouldn’t let Jihadis immigrate in any sizeable numbers and coordinate an assault on us. The same goes for Mexico. They have to somehow get OVER HERE. "Iv already stated that this type of attack is preposterous. They would get here the same way they've been getting here. And while the border idea you have would certainly work for illegal immigrants but that wont stop them all. What about from Canada? What about those who come here legally? Which most of them do. Point is even with this border idea, which is great by the way, they will still get though. "Well the simple solution is DON’T LET THEM. It’s easy to partner with our allies to the north and south and work together to screen immigrants thoroughly and to halt immigration from Islamic nations. "I respect my opponent but I've got to say this is extremely outrageous and goes against everything our nation stands for and I am against it 100%. As iv stated we can NOT punish the many for the few and we can not persecute a group based on their religion, which was the primary reason our fore fathers made the exodus to this country in the first place. This is a terrible idea. Plus we already know that many in our southern neighbor support and help the enemy. The drug cartels, which practically run the country, aid them like allies. Not much help to get from them. Your right. It is hard to argue what James Madison. The only things Ill try is by pointing out that his stance on large military was towards the government becoming to powerful and using them against their own people, not against fighting our enemies. And I don't think this applies here. Also I don't believe the average bulk of the American people the ability or intelligence to make such a decision. Is that not why we have elected representatives? I feel more comfortable with an educated person who knows what the heck they are doing making a decision then listening to the mob. Well that will about do it for me. Again thanks to my opponent for the challenge. It was fun and I thoroughly enjoyed debating with you. Also thanks for your support.