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"You fail to discriminate between health insurance and medical care." I agree they are different but both are part of a nationalized healthcare system. The fact is that if we were to give people healthcare the lines would not become ridiculous, France for example does not have absurd waiting times for a hospital. "insurance cannot. It can only make a solution possible" and without insurance? Your proposed system really doesn't change much except takes the government completely out of it. When the Health markets compete we will always lose, it is sort of a double bind... Either the quality goes up and the price goes up or the quality goes down and the price goes down. With a Nationalized system the government can afford to have high quality and low price. "Those who can afford to pay their own insurance do not need to pay for others." so a person has no responsibility to society? you never know when you may need help paying, what if something goes wrong and you need an expensive operation? Nationalized Healthcare for those that can afford normal healthcare is then a Bulwark against future issues. "the engagement in free trade between patients and doctors." is this a right? if so I am not familiar with it... The Doctors get paid, the patients get treated... how is this an abuse of rights? "the use of force of government to pay for healthcare is a violation of property rights - those who are deemed productive enough by the government to pay for services of others that had no hand in earning." They are taxes, you have to pay for public education even if you don't have a child in public education. Does this abuse property rights? It is the same thoery, the person is covered by the government and his tax money goes into the health program. where is the Rights violation? So essentially only those who are fortunate enough to have a good job, or a job at all in an economic situation such as one we have now, are entitled to healthcare? so If I am unlucky I don't get a doctor? "Which is essentially slavery; doctors become a tool of patient whim at state enforcement with no recourse to their own judgement and action." I was describing what we have now, and how Nationalized healthcare would solve that problem. under your plan we just turn people away if they don't have the money and leave them to die.... "Insisting the system can be maintained whilst providing 'universal' health care is. :)" and the current Nationalized Healthcare systems?? "Because the law demands that most/all medical costs are covered by insurance companies, no matter the risk." The Government is paying, so where is the risk? It gives the Insurance companies customers and the doctors patients, how does this defeat both industries? "And it is the very acts of government itself that raise insurance costs to unfeasible levels." may I ask how so? "The issue was waiting length for diagnosis and treatment. Both of which increase the heavier a systems care is socialised." The U.S is a different country and those are two of the many examples of Nationalized systems. We have better medical technology. Also that is just how the study made it out to be, the actual reasons are impossible to tell for sure. "False dilemma. It's precisely government action that reduces the availability of care. Length of time for diagnosis, when we are talking months as is the case, can often be the difference between fatal and non (either in diagnosis or treatment). Remember not only is the type of care reduced and partitioned, so too is the level technologically speaking (new procedures/drugs cost money, that's a big no-no in state run care)." If there is such a problem open more hospitals, France, Switzerland, denmark, etc havn't collapsed, they don't have massive death rates.... In what way would nationalized Healthcare decrease R&D. I would think it would increase it as the government will have the excess money to invest in it with... "It is *precisely* the government that has gotten us to that point" Um actually the reason so many people are un-insured and don't have access to medical care is they simply can't afford it. "removal of *all* government interference. That includes taxes, freeing those funds up for health funds and catastrophic insurance. A society that produces wealth raises the levels of those in it, including the lowest income levels" Taxes=Government revenue No Taxes=No revenue