Rom 10:9-10 teaches Lordship salvation

Preacher Andy I had asked in round 2, In Ro. 10:16 what is obeying the gospel of Christ. YOU ANSWERED. " He's talking to the Jews in this verse if you read the whole section for once he is saying that the Jews are being disobedient by choosing not to obey the gospel by believing it and not to accept Christ because they were believing in their own righteousness not Christ's" Swordmaster response: Clearly 1 Cor. 15:1-5, states the gospel of Christ is His death, burial and resurrection, and I ask you "what is Obeying the gospel?" Your answer is incorrect you said, "Jews are being disobedient by choosing not to obey the gospel by believing it" Swordmaster response: You do understand that believing is what a believer does. In Ro. 10:9-10,"that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation." Notice the word believes, is a verb, denotes action, if you believe there must be action or you are not a believer. Confess with your mouth, (action) the Lord (action) therefore, believing in your heart, (Action) What action? The bible plainly teaches that we must obey the gospel? I have shown 3 verses that teach that the gospel is something that must be obeyed. Rom 10:16, 2 Thess. 1:8-9, and 1Pet 4:17, Andy want you us to think that all you have to do is believe "Mentally". what Andy is saying, "if you have a child, and you tell him to go to the store and buy some bread, all that child has to do is say daddy, I accept your command by believing it, and nothing else is expected. Andy, Your Heavenly father told you to obey the gospel, So the bible teaches us how to obey it, I showed plainly in my last post that Romans 6 teaches us how? When one Obeys the gospel by being baptized into Christ, they are believing and accepting Jesus as Lord, and not before. Please notice his lack of response and teaching. He says what he believes, but not one time has he harmonized any passage. Nor does he understand that obeying and believing requires action. The above was in response to round 2, Now in response to round 3, "Andy you said, Ok no offence but you bring up way to many points in each post for me to respond to each one just get to the point and stop jumping all over the place. Swordmaster response: Andy the bible never contradicts itself, When one writer is talking about a subject , all other writers must agree on that subject. You had agreed to this in my first argument. You Said: 2. You don't even write like your having a debate you write like your writing a whole book and you completely ignored my last post. Swordmaster response: I could not find what you wrote, I was wondering what was going on. You said: alright now my take on Ro. 6 vv1-2 the Romans thought that the more they sinned the more they were forgiven they didn't understand what the Christian life meant yet its about repentance which means we ask for Forgiveness for sin and die to them not living for them anymore not using grace as a license to sin Swordmaster response: Repentance is of major importance, I agree I set out to show Lord's ship salvation, and was using Baptism as an example of obedience. The work of repentance is required before one is saved, Paul is going deeper here through his teachings on death. Notice he said in 3-4, that they died, not by a mental belief as Andy would pervert this into saying. But the bible says when they died , that was when they were baptized. You Said. Vs. 3-5 baptism is a public display of what happened to Christ death going underwater burial being under and resurrection being brought back out of the water and its our way of showing that same thing has happened inside us notice in these verses it never says anything about saved salvation or anything like it because its important but it doesn't have anything to do with salvation Swordmaster response: If baptism does not have anything to do with salvation, why does Paul teach in verse 6: "knowing this, that our old man was crucified with [Him], that the body of sin might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves of sin." Sounds Like salvation to me! When are Christians crucified with Christ? Context, context, context, lets keep verse 6 in context, with verse 5 and it says, "For if we have been united together in the likeness of His death, certainly we also shall be [in the likeness] of [His] resurrection," When were they crucified with Christ? When they were united together in the likeness of his death!!!!!!!! When did that happen? Verse 3-4, Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death? 4. Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. WHY were they baptized??? The later part of verse 6, that the body of sin might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves of sin." Andy look at verse 7, "For he who died has been freed from sin." And you said that doesn't have anything to do with salvation. You said: vv6-7 if we die to something in this sense it means on the inside so if we die to sin were free from it ." Swordmaster response: Andy Death means separation, Ja. 2:26, "For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also. " What you have done is take this verse out of context and that means your conclusion is a pretext." You completely ignored the above verses, Gal 1:8-9 applies to you also, stop perverting the gospel of Christ. You said: its not a physical obedience if that were true what about crippled people who can't be baptised are they going to hell no all they must do is obey from the heart which means believing the gospel of Christ and confessing him Swordmaster response: I have baptized cripples and diseased people before. And the same Lord commands them as he commanded us. so skipping to mark 16:16 The one who believes and is baptized will be saved; but the one who does not believe will be condemned. You said 1. first some of the most ancient manuscripts we have of mark don't include vv 9-20 so they may have been added later I wouldn't base my doctrine on something like this 2nd it says whoever believes and is baptized will be saved (but) whoever (believes not) will be condemned Swordmaster's response: I talked to a Muslim yesterday that said that the bible is untrustworthy because it has things added into it. Be careful he will convert you, I trust the whole bible and will cut none of it out. Why don't you get a razor and cut it out of your bible? You don't respect what it says anyway. Shame on you. You said: response to your questions 1. 16 And now why do you delay? Get up, be baptized, (and) have your sins washed away, calling on his name.' notice he says get up be baptized and have your sins washed away how call on his name Swordmaster Response: I want you to Notice Paul did not say, "how" Andy added it. I showed very well what calling on the name of the Lord is and you have disproved none of it. So I will not waste my time re-arguing the matter. You said: 2. believing it 16 (But not all have obeyed the good news;) for Isaiah says, "Lord, (who has believed) our message?" 17 So faith comes from what is heard, and what is heard comes through the word of Christ. Swordmaster response: Obedience and belief are used here interchangeable. Just like in Hebrews 3: 18 And to whom did He swear that they would not enter His rest, but to those who did not obey? 19 So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief. 1.If we do not obeyed is that considered belief by God? 2.Define believing 3.In Acts 2:38 why were they baptized?