God is Dead AND WE HAVE KILLED HIM

Nowhere in my opening statement did I make the claim that that specific research proves God exists. I was responding to two of your main assertions. Religion has killed millions and basically you were saying that people believe in God to give life meaning and purpose or wishful thinking. Again nowhere did I make the claim that that proved God existed. I have many arguments for that. That research was to demonstrate that it is natural to have theistic beliefs. Not delusional. That's the only point I tried to make. It's important to understand the distinction between things that exist necessarily vs contingently. Necessary things exist in their own nature they don't need a cause (necessary). Contingent things only exist because something or someone caused it to exist. It's logically possible that contingent things don't have to exist. Whatever begins to exist must have a cause: Everyday experience & scientific evidence proves this premise. Anything that begins to exists must have a cause. If this premise was not true, Then we would observe dragons and unicorns pop out of existence from nothing. But we don't see that because nothing comes from nothing. Nothing is not a cause. Aristotle had a good definition of nothing, Nothing is what rocks dream about according to Aristotle. The universe began to exist [either the universe is the uncaused first cause, Necessary, And eternal or something beyond the universe is the uncaused first cause, Necessary, And eternal]: I will use Dr. Frank Turek's collection of SURGE evidence (because of the quantity). SURGE evidence; S - Second Law of Thermodynamics The first law states that the universe is running out of usable energy. The universe only has a finite amount of energy. If the universe is running out of usable energy then somebody must of put usable energy in it. The second law states that nature tends to bring things to disorder, Meaning things naturally fall apart. If the universe was eternal then we would have ran out of usable energy right now. U " Universe Expansion Edwin Hubble found in 1929 that space and matter are expanding outward. Currently the space and matter in the universe are expanding and when he reversed that he found it came from a single point in the finite past, A beginning known as the singularity. R - Radiation Afterglow In 1965 Arno Penzias and Robert Wilson detected radiation out in the universe. There is still light & heat measurable in the universe from the expansion of the universe (U in SURGE). They won Nobel Peace Prizes in Physics in 1978. G - Great Galaxy Seeds In 1992 scientists found ripples in the temperature of the cosmic background radiation (R in SURGE). Those ripples allow matter to congregate gravitational attraction to form our galaxy. Allow just enough matter to permit galaxy formation. But also just enough to not allow the universe to collapse on itself. Even a slight variation in either direction will eliminate life. E - Einstein"s Theory of General Relativity In 1916 Einstein found that time, Space, And matter are co-relative. They came into existence at the same time. If you have space and matter but no time then WHEN would you begin creation. If you have time and matter but no space WHERE would you put the creation. If you have time and space but no matter WHAT would you create. Therefore you have to have time, Space, And matter come into existence simultaneously. SURGE evidence reveals that there is good scientific and philosophical evidence proving the universe began to exist. Therefore, The Universe must have a cause: Since premise 1 & 2 are true then this premise is also true. Since the universe did not cause itself into existence. The cause can"t be limited or made by time, Space, Or matter. The cause has to be outside the time, Space, Matter realm. Which makes the cause timeless, Spaceless, And immaterial. If you are timeless do you have a beginning? No, God is infinite. If you are spaceless and immaterial can you measure, Weigh, Or play American Football with the cause? No, The cause is not limited by space or matter. The cause must be all-powerful because the universe was created out of nothing in the finite past. Whatever caused the universe into existence must be extremely powerful to create something out of nothing. The cause must be personal because it's logically possible the universe didn't have to exist. It only exists because something or someone made a choice. Only persons make rational choices. So you have a timeless, Spaceless, Immaterial, All-powerful, Personal uncaused first cause. Those are the attributes of God without any reference to the Bible. I am not the only one saying this. Even atheist scientists are admitted this. "Scientists can no longer hide behind a past-eternal universe. There is no escape, They have to face the problem of a cosmic beginning. " - Cosmologist Alexander Vilenkin. "The best data we have (concerning the Big Bang) are exactly what I would have predicted had I had nothing to go on but the five book of Moses, The Psalms, And the Bible as a whole. " " American Physicist Arno Penzias. "Certainly there was something that set it all of --- I can't think of a better theory of the origin of the universe to match Genesis. " - American Physicist Robert Wilson Based on this one argument it is reasonable to believe that God exists and it is highly probable that God does exist. I am NOT making the claim that I know 100% certainty that a theistic God exists. Only that it is reasonable to believe it and it is highly probable.