Judaism needs Christianity to stand up under the Historical method

My Male/female opponent demands that Torah teaches history. Bunk. Torah, Written by men as a time date. The T'NaCH employs history as found in the Books of Kings and the Book words of the days translated as Chronicles in the vile Xtian 'old testament'; history exists as a wagon metaphor which transports the goods of moral instruction called mussar. Mr. Ms confusion reveals his ignorance of comparative religions. He insists that only church dogma applies in making interpretations of the Bible worthless translations. Mr/ms: referred to a Mr. Confusion from here on, Insists that the Hebrew T'NaCH has manuscripts written in multiple languages. He only speaks English so this makes his declaration definative. . . NOT. Rabbi Yechuda HaNasi/the Prince/ codified the Mishna in about 210 CE. At that time the Torah had Hebrew Aramaic and Greek manuscripts. Human beings live through time, So some Torah manuscripts have greater antiquity than other Torah manuscripts. Every synagogue reads a Safer Torah on shabbot. The vast majority of these Torah manuscripts - written by contemporary Soferim/scribes! C/P: "textual criticism" requires logic. The Oral Torah logic system, Mr. Confusion does not know. Therefore mr. Confusion must rely upon alien foreign logic systems by which to interpret the Torah. Bah! C/P: "The Musar movement is a Jewish ethical, Educational and cultural movement that developed in 19th century Lithuania, Particularly among Orthodox Lithuanian Jews. Not something we are talking about right now. " Rabbi Israel Salanter emphasized the idea of Mussar in the late 19th century due to the over reach of the Lithuanian Jews or Litvaks over emphasis of pilpulism in Talmudic scholarship. But the Aggaditah of the Talmud and the great codes of Midrashim developed by the Gaonim scholars which predated the Reshonim scholars of the Middle Ages focused upon mussar. Rashi p'shat on the Chumash defines p'shat through Aggadita and Midrashim! The Book of Mishle/Proverbs its all about mussar! Its a gross error to declare mussar started in the late 19th century by Rabbi Israel Salanter! C/P: "The writer of the gospel of John was obviously an eyewitness of the events of Christ's life since he speaks from a perspective of having been there during many of the events of Jesus' ministry and displays a good knowledge of Israeli geography and customs. " Bunk. John was the last of the four gospels and by some authorities carbon dating his manuscript of the gospels was written in the 3rd or 4th century. Eye Witness. . . Total narishkeit! Mr. Confusion says an earlier manuscript exists written in 135, Hmmmmmmm a 100 years after the facts. The flaw of Xtianity and the fundamental reason that its a vile religion of idolatry, That it limits the Gods to 3 physical dimensions. Xtianity requires a physical historical jesus son of Zeus. The physical evidence of the son of Zeus - a person could not write a descent obituary for this imaginary mythical man/god. Jesus and Hercules, The rape off spring of Zeus a mythical Greek God. C/P: "But this is understandable since John was not focusing on historical events" Logic requires consistency. Mr Confusion opens by insisting that Torah teaches history, But he ditches this bit-h, When his/her history whore no longer serves the interests of Mr. Confusion. The book of John a false witness account of an imaginary mythical man. Mr. Confusion now presumes to define the faith of the Jewish people. He writes "The Torah is a history book for Ancient Israel unless you believe that every part of the Torah is ceremonial. " What utter and total arrogance! This dude knows nothing of Torah and how it functions as the foundation upon which stands all Talmudic scholarship. Yet this fool presumes that he can place all of Jewish scholarship, Which he has never studied, Into a nice convenient box. What a complete and utter fool. C/P: "The basis for Christians morals are the two greatest commandments which are to Love the Lord your God with all your heart, Soul, Mind etc and to love your neighbor as yourself! " The rhetoric BS is strong with this one, To paraphrase Darth Vader, One of the Gods of Star Wars. How does the Torah define the term "neighbor"? Your dead religion thinks the prophets addressed Goyim! Goyim do not qualify as a "neighbor". How does the Torah define the term "love"? Your noise testament does not know. It only repeats the word but do not ever even once attempt to define the term "love". C/P: "Okay, So the oldest of this manuscripts dates back to around 100 A. D. Eyewitnesses of Christ would still have been alive at this time period either as a first or second generation. " If this imaginary dude began his messiah career at 30 how old were the disciples? If they were new born babies by 100 CE. . . Dude get real. The average life span of people during that period, Most people lived up to their 50s! You rely upon false witness testimony. The Egypt Exploration Society has recently published a Greek papyrus that is likely the earliest fragment of the Gospel of Mark, Dating it from between A. D. 150"250. This none sense about a manuscript of Mark earlier than that, Only exists in fantasies and dreams. Jews rule our homelands our exile has ended. The church which swore that Jews must walk the face of the earth as cursed despised exiles - utterly and totally false. The establishment of the Jewish state sent the church into cursed exile. Your church declared itself the 'new israel', Now its your turn to endure exile. You wait for your 2nd coming of your imaginary myth the son of Zeus. C/P: "What does Logic have to do with Oral Tradition? " LOL Oral Tradition = the logic format which permits all generations to interpret the Written Torah employing this unique logic format which Moshe the prophet received by revelation at Sinai. Dude you compare to an ostrich with its head stuck into the sand. C/p: "ethical holiness and ceremonial holiness". Empty worthless rhetoric. How does the Torah define holy? You can not honestly employ a Torah term without knowing how the Torah defines that term. Your 2 great commandments, For example, How does the Torah define both love and neighbor? You don't have the slightest clue. Love requires ownership, A person does not love that which he does not own. Neighbor - a person fit to marry a Jewish man's son or daughter. The Torah, Specifically in B'midbar and the later Book of Ezra, Forbids Jews marrying a shiksa/none Jewish woman. Baba Kama instructs that a person must pull something unto himself to acquire ownership. For example: if a man love a Jewish woman then he must pull within his heart her wants desires and dreams and make them his own. C/P: "Okay so God is over the law he made and thus has the power to reform his law and also his law is for humans not him and so God wasn't breaking anything impregnating Mary. " According to your narishkeit, God behaves as a total hypocrite. Bunk. Israel received only the first two commandments directly from the revelation of HaShem unto his Brit People. A brit, Like the one wherein HaShem and Avram cut a brit requires an oath. A vow a person can annul, Not so a Torah oath. Not even HaShem can annul a Torah oath. HaShem threatened to kill all Israel and Moshe reminded HaShem of the oath sworn to Avraham, Yitzak and Yaacov and the Torah teaches that HaShem did t'shuva! When Balak hired Bil'am to curse Israel: HaShem put these words into Bil'am's mouth: HaShem is not a man that he should lie. The imaginary woman Mary, Pretending she was Jewish, Another man had acquired through k'dushin. For HaShem to impregnate her according to Torah law the child would exist as an illegitimate child forever excluded from the Jewish community. You declare that the messiah can violate the law of Moshe. Bunk. The prophet Shaul anointed king Shaul as Moshiach heir of Moshe the prophet, And HaShem commanded to the prophet that HE rejected Shaul as Moshiach, Heir of Moshe, B/c he failed to obey the commandments. The burden of proof rests upon you to bring a Biblical precedent wherein a married woman impregnated by someone else that the Torah permits this illegitimate child as a kosher member of the Jewish community. No such precedent exists. The foreign alien Greek/Roman noise testament stands upon Greek mythology NOT Torah. C/P: "Jesus is a descendant of David, Please read the genealogy of Christ. " The genealogies within the Gospels contradict themselves. Christ is Greek for messiah! The model of king moshiach learns from the foundation of king Shaul/Saul. When the prophet Shmuel/Samuel anointed David as king, This dedication of moshiach, Heir of Moshe the law giver, Stands in the shadow of the anointing of Shaul as moshiach! The Greek/Roman counterfeit noise testament can not change this fact. Instead it blatantly follows after Greek mythology rather that Torah law. C/P: " I know what a middot etc". Total and complete narishkeit! Midda has the common translation as attribute. Middah literally means "measurement". A measurement by definition requires asystematic arrangement of Order. Like the Dewey Decimal System or the Metric System! Numbers get into mathematics. Logic stands upon the precision of mathematics. Your attempt to quote Jewish sources, Its really rather funny. Quoting a Talmudic source requires that one can bring a precedent for that source. The Torah refers to this discipline as "understanding", Learning a matter from another matter! To learn this discipline requires a rabbi, You can not read a book and gain this wisdom.