Socialized Medicine is bad for America!

"the only reason for someone on welfare would try to get off of it is so they can make money to pay for their medical treatments." This statement can only be based on the assumption that people want to be on welfare. Do you think that people on welfare live the same lifestyle as you and I? that they live in comfortable homes with working cars and a hot meal each night and the only thing they are lacking is decent health care? In reality, most of these families still barely make it buy. They find it humiliating to depend on others money to live. They would give anything to not be on welfare. Health care is just a part of it. A majority of those on welfare also happen to be children. Do you really expect children to go out and work to pay for their own food, house, and health care? "The majority of the 40 million uninsured in America either do not feel like its worth the money to invest in, or they choose not to work & therefore cannot afford it." http://www.bls.gov... As this site shows, teens and minorities are affected most by unemployment rates. Why is this so? You are probably correct that these people are able bodied people. So what don't these people have that other people do? Could it be an education? Unemployed teenagers are probably drop outs, so perhaps we should be talking about our education system instead and keeping more kids in school to get a good education so that they could work. What about the minorities? They could easily have been part of the teen statistic when they were that age, but perhaps there is another issue. Maybe the falling of Affirmative Action? Sure these people are able bodied, maybe some of them are lazy, but the majorities here might not be getting jobs for being the minorities. "Therefore, the other 97% should not be forced into changing our ways for 3% of the population" 1.When workers are unemployed, they, their families and the country as a whole lose. Workers and their families lose wages, and the country loses the goods or services which could have been produced. 2."Persons are classified as unemployed if they do not have a job, have actively looked for work in the prior 4 weeks, and are currently available for work." 3.Those who have no job and are not looking for one--are counted as "not in the labor force." The "lazy people" are not even in the numbers that you cited before. Maybe you should check your sources? 4.All of the following can be cited at: http://www.bls.gov... "My grand parents are on it as most old people and all I hear at Thanksgiving and Christmas is how terrible the system is." 1.Please cite more sources. While I don't doubt their credibility, I do wonder whether they are a majority or a minority in opinion. 2.If they hate it so much, why are they still on it? Probably because they don't have another option. Isn't it a good thing for them then that they do have the option of receiving money and care from the government? Please remind them of this for me this coming Christmas when they begin to complain. "I believe we need to go back to the old day's ware you didn't pay your insurance company you paid your doctor directly" There has to be some sort of system in between, otherwise who would regulate the doctors to give fair charges? The doctors could charge as much as they want and people would be forced to obliged or not get the treatment because they can't afford the doctor's demands. If you really think they would charge a fair price, look at our gas prices. They are private companies competing against each other and they have made prices go through the roof. Those prices cannot be just because of the oil demand its supply and demand seen here: http://www.howstuffworks.com... "Take for instance this short story published in "the Washington Post"" 1. Please cite. I can't find it anywhere. 2. The better idea would be to look at the Canadian news and the trend of their voting to see how their health care system works instead of looking to our reporters. Why would we know? We don't have National Health Care. They do. "That's too much as it is. With a socialized health care program taxes will have to be raised another 25% just to fund" 1. again, please cite your source 2. Please take these into consideration: "Canadians spend about 55% of what Americans spend on health care and have longer life expectancy, and lower infant mortality rates." - Robert S. Bell, M.D., President and CEO of University Health Network, Toronto "Canadians pay 9% of GDP to insure 100% of citizens, compared with 14% of GDP to insure 85% of Americans." 3. Pros and Cons: we seem to agree that cost and the quality of health care are the most important things that should be covered by the health care system. It seems as though Canada has us beat on that. 4. this is FROM Canada and a Canadian businessman. This affects him directly as you can see, through the amount of money he makes, and through his own health care. "company does not get taxed entrepreneur or owner of the company will. Therefore if the owner has less money even a small sum of money like $8,000 can cripple him enough to not be able to afford some of the perks that we the middle class workers enjoy." 1. Again, the owner of the company does not pay for perks out of his pocket but rather the company does, so his being taxed would not matter. 2. In 2002, automotive companies claimed universal health care system in Canada saved labour costs. Or "In addition to reinforcing the quality and accessibility of health care for all Canadians, these measures would also help to ensure the long-run success of the Canadian auto industry." This was sent by OUR automotive companies. So much for not being able to give perks… So much for National Health Care ruining Capitalism… http://www.house.gov... 3. It saddens me that we are actually debating whether or not companies would be able to give out perks when we are overall discussing the ability to give all of our citizens health care. Regardless of what "perks" we may get in the long run, isn't the most important thing fulfilling the American dream by helping those around us to live the best life they can? "hospitals [have] longer waiting periods." I will agree that the Canadians concede the fact that there are longer waiting periods. But I have not seen instances where the Canadians wish to change their system because of the wait. Overall the cost and the quality are more important to them, as it is to us as well. They seem to be getting plenty of that. I quote, "the Conservative Party of Canada considered increasing the role of the private sector in the Canadian health care system. Public backlash caused these plans to be abandoned, and the current minority Conservative government has re-affirmed its commitment to universal public medicine." This leads me to believe that the Canadians like their health care, despite waits. "It will destroy Capitalism." You have not yet told me HOW it will. "If you break your leg & a hospital kicks you out because you don't have the cash they should be arrested!" This seems to contradicts your entire argument. Insurance companies and individual hospitals, in fact, do this all the time. With National Health Care, they would not be allowed to, nor would they have to because they could afford to pay to have their leg fixed. This statement also implies that you and I agree that health care is a right and not a privilege and that all American citizens should be helped. "I choose to live in a country of Greatness" How great can this country be great if we only keep to ourselves and let the smaller guy go down? Sounds selfish. In conclusion, while you provide a lot of "facts" I see no citations. A question to you: is keeping your own hard earned money ultimately the better thing to do for America than to help Americans receive health care they deserve?