God is not real.

I thank Clockwork for his time and for his writing. It has been a pleasure to correspond with you. Let me begin by clearing some things up. I don't take issue with anything you have written thus far about God existing outside of time. For some reason or another I was under the misapprehension in my second round that you were trying to play with the definitions of the words omniscient or omnipotent, but clearly this isn't the case. The point you raised about God being outside of time is entirely valid and I acknowledge it while maintaining that it doesn't affect my argument one way or the other. My syllogism would still work even if God existed outside of time. It would appear that most of your writing was done in a state of confusion. So, allow me to work through what you have presented thus far. Your analogy of God being the author of a book for the universe is quite useful, but it only serves to strengthen my side of the argument. If God knew with certainty what was going to happen on page 100 of this book then there is no way he could alter it so that something else happened on page 100. Moreover, you have also claimed my position has serious problems without elucidating what they are or showing how they affect the resolution one way or another. ---> "The problem with PRO's extension of God's helplessness against the permanence of time fails on two points. " My argument doesn't assume this either explicitly or implicitly. For the sake of your argument I will concede that God is not bound by time. ---> "Firstly, a certain outcome for a certain event does not disprove that other outcomes were possible. " If something is going to happen with absolute certainty this logically precludes the possibility of any alternative outcomes. I will go into this further later on when I introduce another syllogism. However, it is easy enough to see that this assertion is erroneous with even a cursory glance. If something is certain to happen then it is going to happen. Other possibilities are therefore excluded by definition. Q. E. D. --->"There is no logical contradiction in PRO's syllogism if God is viewed as an entity that exists outside of time, as is the view of several religious belief systems. " This assertion is baseless. If God knows something will happen then it must happen. If God changed the event so that it didn't happen then God couldn't know that it would happen because it didn't happen. For quick reference I will post my first syllogism once again. ============== A quick syllogism: ============== 1. Anything with logically incompatible properties cannot exist. (This is not arguable) 2. Any God that knows the future is powerless to change it, and is therefore not omnipotent. 3. Omniscience is logically incompatible with omnipotence. (2) 4. God is described as having omniscience and omnipotence. (given) 5. Therefore God does not exist. (1) (3) (4) ========= Contention 1: A God with omniscience and omnipotence is impossible ========= If my second premise is correct then everything else would follow because the structure of my first argument is valid. Therefore if I can demonstrate that my second premise is correct I will have won this debate. I have already demonstrated that premise #2 is correct, but let me see if I can't do this to your satisfaction. Allow X to represent any possible event in the future. And let us assume for the moment that God is at least omniscient to determine whether or not the addition of omnipotence is possible. 1. God knows that X will occur in the future. (Given) 2. In order for something to qualify as a piece of knowledge it must be factually correct. (This is not arguable) 3. The knowledge that X will occur is only factually correct if X actually occurs. [2] 4. The knowledge that X will occur logically necessitates its occurrence. [3] 5. The logical necessity of X occurring precludes the possibility of alternative outcomes. (Given) 6. Omnipotence is impossible if alternative outcomes can't occur for a situation. (This is not arguable) 7. Omniscience and omnipotence are logically incompatible. [5] [6] 8. Therefore God cannot be both omniscient and omnipotent. [7] ========= Conclusion ========= Instead of making a logical argument my opponent has decided to claim that my position doesn't logically cohere without demonstrating why or how? I have already conclusively shown that omniscience and omnipotence cannot logically coexist in one God and therefore I have fulfilled my burden. For these reasons I encourage everyone to give this resolution the overwhelming endorsement that it deserves.