Public Funded Birth Control

Oops I guess I missed this one by a couple hours. To your first point, the most effective form of birth control is ridiculously cheap and already available to everyone (Abstinence). For those who can't control themselves, condoms are a very very close second at <$10 for a box of twelve. You would be hard pressed to screw yourself into poverty at those rates ;-) I can agree though that we could do away with welfare altogether though. Perhaps we can discuss that in another debate. Second, abortions would also go down with less "Public Funded Birth Control" no doubt. If it is this same group that supposedly can't afford a condom from above, how else would they pay for such an incredibly more expensive procedure? Abortions can cost anywhere from $320-2000+ without insurance to cover any portion of that. With insurance, any co-pay you might have would again be more than probably 2 boxes of those condoms. So if you haven't completely abandoned your personal and social responsibilities already, you can hold your head high and say that you, at the very least, purchased insurance to help in such an instance. Even then, you're robbing everyone with that carrier because you abandoned your responsibilities. To your third point, a somewhat slower population growth may help the environment, true. In many ways though, we are accelerating our capabilities to do things in a more Green fashion because of the rate we are at. There would have been little movement to make solar anything big, or make hybrid cars, or anything like that back in a time where the population was spread as thin as it was in the 1800's (and there wasn't). And the fourth, I think it's hard for you to claim anything based on human nature as a "savings". Also, I'd like to mention how counter intuitive your financial plan for savings is. You plan to reduce your taxpayer base and also save money on the very thing you propose those taxpayers fund! If it is public funded it will be a tax. It will need management and gov't employees. I'd really like to see how you plan to reduce the cost of that $10 box of condoms for every person in the nation by 1) reducing the number of people as a whole helping to pay into this thing, 2) hiring people to distribute or at least administer hospitals to distribute these things freely and equally, 3) funding constant ad campaigns and classes to ensure the public knows about them. This is essentially what you're asking for. Some points for you: 1) They don't use them now, what makes you think they'll use them later. I don't find many people telling me they didn't use protection because the cost was high honestly. They're more apt to say "I didn't know" or that "it doesn't feel the same", or something on those lines. 2) As far as money "saving" goes you're only counting the savings for people who are more prone to buy them. For someone who doesn't need them, want them, or is responsible enough to take care of their business ... every single one of them you make pay into this system is putting them in the red. Every single one of their dollars spent is towards a product they don't even get which is wasteful spending in my book. You can show the average cost to have gone down but you're subsidizing that discount on everyone else's dime. Here's a link for those abortion cost claims I made above since I didn't know this info before the argument, and had always just assumed it. Apparently it was just common sense, though, that it'd be quite an expensive procedure. http://health.costhelper.com...