the bible is not infallible

>>if "God" says blue is black, and that Jesus has brothers but then says Jesus doesn't, then it was never God who said it. Really? What are you using to decide this issue? You clearly must have some epistemological source for information. You clearly seem to be able to judge God. When God says you should punish people for rape (as in the first round) then clearly, the reply that we shouldn't is taken from some external morality outside the God sphere. Where did you get it? Buy it from the ACLU? God could have made black blue, but he made black black. He doesn't contradict himself, but clearly there's no real objective attachment to the words. For example, did you know that the word "purple" use to refer to what we now call "crimson"? Did the colors magically change? No, the words did. And if you think moving a couple entries in a dictionary are below the powers of God, you have another thing coming. "Black" could refer to the color we see today as blue. The word refers *only* to the color and so long as everybody agrees that this is "black" or that is "blue", what colors they actually see don't matter. My black could very well be your blue. And I would see a 'your-black sky' and say "blue". >>to the far and away concensus of what God is at least. Consensus of what God is? I'm sorry, I didn't know that the creator of the Heavens and the Earth who made you and me and gave us our souls was dictated by a consensus. I'd personally think he could speak for himself and has in a perfect Bible. You argue that 1+2 = 4, would make 1+2+1 = 5, and yes. God has dictated and serves as the foundation for mathematics. Due to his perfect nature he provides rules to math which allow for consistent results. Though, it is still easily within his power to dictate that math could work exactly like that. For example, if the numbers went, 1, 2, 4, 5, 3, 6 ... You'd be quick to note that math works EXACTLY like that! However, just as God dictated that black would be black, he dictated the order of the numbers and that "four" refers to IIII - that many objects rather than III - that many. However, had he, in his ability to do so, done the latter, you would be arguing that God couldn't make "2 + 2 = 4", or "2 + 2 + 1 = 5". ------------------------------------------------ I am simply pointing out your problem with the Bible isn't a problem with the Bible itself, rather you have a problem with God. You do not think Him to be all powerful, or at the very least real. It's rather sad actually. You clearly think God to be decided by consensus and that you have some secondary judgment beyond the judgment of the Judge of the Universe, which moreover can be used to judge God. I wonder who would perhaps provide people with "special powers" to think they could judge God. At no point did you even fathom to argue that there was any part of the Bible was flawed. You argued that it had some things in it which you didn't agree with. Nobody needs agree with God, he gave you free will. However, disagreement doesn't establish the topic of this debate. How does anything you say, show the bible to be fallible? Honestly, read your statements and find one phrase which suggests the bible is flawed! You disagree with some parts. Fine. But, the Bible is still consistent and still consistent with reality. You presented no valid arguments for the topic. I have shown how and why you are wrong, and corrected your non-topic misunderstandings about God's reality. The Bible is infallible. -- You presented nothing to dispute this.