Team Debate: Mace Windu vs. Darth Sidious

Thanks to the Con team (gabep and Rami) for agreeing to participate in this debate. We look forward to a fun and forceful (pun intended) debate. We will present evidence of Windu's abilities, then Sidious's abilities, and then we will analyze and compare their abilities to explain why Windu would win.WINDUA) Windu's Force Abilities1. Force Leap - this ability is key for several reasons. Being able to leap from danger or to pursue a foe--in fact, mobility in general--is vital in a battle scenario. [1]2. Force Wave - this allows an individual to send a pulse of force energy out radiating from them. It is capable of destroying hundreds of opponents at once depending on the scope of the energy invested. Clearly, this ability would be a useful weapon in any duel. [1, 2]3. Force Grip - "The target could be seized with great strength, lifted off their feet and suspended in the air by a powerful Force user. If used to a high degree, it could crush an opponent's bones or organs." [1, 2]4. Force Speed - enhanced agility. Windu was so proficient at this ability that he could land six blows to another force user before that person could blink. [1]5. Telekinesis - Windu was highly adept at a variety of derivations of this ability. His skill with manipulating solid objects enabled him to shift things like an At-TE Walker with ease. [1]6. Shatterpoint - This power "allowed a Jedi to shatter otherwise unbreakable objects by channeling the Force into the places of the object that bound it together." This ability could also be employed during battle, allowing the user to see the weak points in the other's moves and person. [1]B) Windu's Lightsaber SkillsWindu is the only Jedi to have fully mastered Vaapad (a subset of Juyo), the most difficult and aggressive lightsaber form. [1, 3] Even Yoda has conceded that Windu was the only individual to have fully mastered Juyo--Windu is thus a master of all 7 forms of lightsaber combat. [3]"Juyo users were proficient in a technique called 'Assured Strike,' wherein they traded sheer power for a near-certainty of landing a hit. Another technique they used was referred to as 'Vornskr's Ferocity,' which involved 'ferocious' attacking of an opponent...Those skilled in the Vaapad form were known for their use of the 'Swift Flank' technique, where they leaped or dashed around an opponent to make a quick strike. The speed of the maneuver was intended to catch opponents off guard." [3] Windu's incredible speed (for Swift Flank) as well as his shatterpoint ability (for Assured Strike) would compliment this style very well, enabling him to use it to maximum effect. Vaapad also allows Windu to redirect energy back at an opponent. "Windu redirected the lightning back with his lightsaber, melting away the Chancellor's features in a display of the 'superconducting loop' of Vaapad." This is what deformed Sidious. [1, 4] SIDIOUSA) Sidious's Force Abilities1. Force Lightning - "The technique involved a discharge of electricity from the practitioner's fingertips, resulting in electrocution and even disfigurement if the target was hit with it." [5]2. Telekinesis - Sidious "levitated several Senate pods simultaneously, including the one he was standing on, with great dexterity and accuracy." [6]3. Mind Tricks - "A mind trick was an ability of the Force that allowed the practitioner to influence the thoughts of the affected, generally to user's advantage...The mind trick was said to work only on the weak-minded." [7]B) Sidious's Lightsaber Skills"Sidious had an extremely aggressive dueling style and augmented his swordplay by using Force-enhanced speed...Although Sidious usually used only one lightsaber, he was also a master of Jar'Kai." [6] Jar'Kai is the use of two lightsabers at once. [8] COMPARATIVE ANALYSISA) Comparison of Physical AbilitiesAt the time of their battle, Mace Windu was about 53 years old [1], and Darth Sidious was about 63 years old [6]. Windu stood at 1.88 meters (about 6 feet, two inches), and 84 kilograms (about 185 pounds). Darth Sidious stood at 1.73 meters (about 5 feet, 8 inches) and 75 kilograms (about 165 pounds).Darth Sidious, being far out of his physical prime at that point, was substantially outmatched in his physical abilities. Windu was extremely physically fit, whereas Sidious had clearly not been as experienced in combat as Windu, having spent much of his life as a politician, trying to avoid having to engage in combat for the sake of keeping his public profile intact.Mace Windu displayed many times his exceptional physical condition--notably in the Battle of Dantooine--where he fought B2 super battle droids with his bare hands when deprived of his lightsaber [9, 10].In a prolonged instance of combat, Mace Windu would outlast Sidious with his superior stamina, would have an advantage due to his larger size - and therefore longer reach, and, due to the fact that he was far closer to his physical prime than Sidious - would be naturally physically stronger, and more agile.B) Relation Between Vaapad and Sidious' Dark Side EnergyVaapad required that its practitioner use the dark side energy inside of them, and if the person they were fighting made use of the dark side: the dark side energy of their opponent as well [6]. This gave Windu a major boost in strength: "For Windu, having given himself completely over to Vaapad, was able to draw on the torrents of dark side energy emanating from his furious opponent like a heat sink." [4] Vaapad also allowed Windu to redirect the force lightning of Darth Sidious back, rendering one of Sidious' greatest powers useless - and even counterproductive to victory: "In response, Sidious hurled a torrent of Force lightning at the Jedi Master. Calling once again on his Vaapad mastery, Windu just barely managed to catch the lightning on his lightsaber and began deflecting it back at Sidious. The redirected current flowed through Sidious, injuring him and deforming his face hideously..." [4]Sidious would be an extraordinary source of power for Windu, as he was described as a "black hole of the dark side" by Count Dooku, and as the "Dark Side's most powerful expression" by Darth Vader and Luke Skywalker. Being able to use Sidious' power as his own as an addition to his natural ability due to the full use of Vaapad, Mace Windu had a clear advantage.C) Comparison of Force AbilitiesUnlike Sidious, Windu has access to the "shatterpoint" ability. This ability will enable Windu to identify Sidious's weak points during battle. Windu can see exactly where to strike Sidious in order to have the greatest impact in the battle. Shatterpoints can be used on people to great effect. "Shatterpoints could also be discovered in the physiology of living beings. Cade Skywalker was able to perceive shatterpoints in Darth Talon and Nyna Calixte, whom he had previously healed from mortal injury. By focusing through the Force on where the healing had taken place, Skywalker was able to see where her old wounds were, and reopen them." [11] Consider the strategic nature of Windu's assault on Sidious, in which Windu knew just how to disable Sidious: "Driving Sidious back with an offensive march, Windu steered the battle towards the office bay-window, which was promptly shattered by their whirling blades. By bringing the duel to the ledge of the window-sill above the sheer drop of the Coruscant cityscape, Windu prompted Sidious to channel more energy into a Force-powered grip on the ledge, and less into the Force powered speed that he was using against Windu. Sidious's slight drop in speed allowed Windu to defeat the Sith Lord with a well-placed kick to the face, which caused him to drop his saber into the streets below." [1] Finally, Sidious's mindtrick ability clear won't work on Windu, who is obviously not feeble-minded. There other abilities are roughly comparable, though there is little evidence that Sidious has the same mobility (leaps, speed, etc.) as Windu.Thus, we affirm the topic. Windu would likely have been victorious. Thanks again to the Con team and to the readers. Please Vote Pro!SOURCES1 - http://starwars.wikia.com...2 - http://starwars.wikia.com...3 - http://starwars.wikia.com...4 - http://starwars.wikia.com...5 - http://starwars.wikia.com...6 - http://starwars.wikia.com...7 - http://starwars.wikia.com...8 - http://starwars.wikia.com...9 - http://starwars.wikia.com...(Clone_Wars)10 - See Video (2:25-4:00) http://www.youtube.com...11 - http://starwars.wikia.com...