Abortion Should Be Illegal In the United States

I did not say that abortion is illegal, I said that murder is, and if a baby is a person, then abortion is murder, which is illegal. Yes it is defense, but it's defense which involves murder. As I mentioned before the issue is weather or not a fetus is a person; it would be perfectly acceptable to do anything to animal to save a person's life. When you said; "So if we took pros stance and actually considered the fetus a human, we are promised by law the right to terminate it if it could endanger the mothers life" It sounds to me like you are saying that it would be legal, in America to shoot you in my hypothetical scenario. Murder is illegal, and murder is what that would be. Walking through a mine field, unknowing of it's existence, is not breaking the law, and the do-er is innocent. I'll go over the differences again. First is location, we can rule that one out immediately, because being in a car, another country, or even some other person's body wouldn't make you any less of a person. Second, is physical ability. Does a person without the ability to control it's body lose the right to live? Why would that be any mor reasonable than location? Next is mental ability, which the Nazis considered to be a reason to lose the right to live, but once again, I've seen no good reason that this would make a human a non-person. From a secular perspective, my stance only makes sense if morality is judged as what is good for the people as a whole, which can not be accurately judged. This is why I mention that if you think that murder is wrong, then you should also consider abortion wrong. There is never a situation in which there is no chance that the mother will survive without an abortion. I've made it as clear as I know how that we should always try to save every innocent life. Your sources don't prove rape in any incident. Would you demonstrate how rape could be proven? Is a person's right to live defined by it's ability? As I mentioned in my opening argument, what about an adult who can't do any of these things? I could say that the lack of development in a baby means that we should worship them and give them human sacrifices, but that doesn't prove a thing. You are doing the equivalent in saying that being undeveloped keeps them from having the rights of a person. I asked why, but the answer I recieved was the old fashioned; "because it is". Everything comes down to this issue: is a human always a person? It's a little late to mention this, but you need to more fully adress my argument and questions. Perhaps you should give yourself more time to argue. Most of what I'm seeing are pre-written arguments not changed to fit the context. In conclusion, it is never right to kill one innocent person to save another; both lives should be saved if possible, and to not try to save one of them is as good as murder. We can never tell the future, therefore it is not our right to act upon our judgements of it. If a nurse gives an unconscious man a drug to save his life, but it combined with another drug that was present and undetectable in his body, and he dies from this. Was it the nurse's fault? No, on the contrary, she did what she could, and that's what matters. I'm not telling you to value any innocent human's life over another. I'm telling you that they are equal. Once again, I thank you for the debate, and I hope that I have given you much food for thought.