Communism(Con) v Capitalism(Pro)

Three hours left, Good lord help me. Rebuttal's to the Rebuttal's of my rebuttal's (Keeping it going): Te outright failure of the Communist States in the world needs not be sources, it simply is a fact, only two communist states in the world stand left. I can see where you are headed on the Joseph Stalin claim about his atheism being a motivating factor in the killings, the only problem is that he is not the only communist leader to have slaughtered people, so that would make that claim untenable in that respect. The effects of Capitalism in China are beneficial, you are viewing the $5 dollar a day part from the perspective of a Western Person, to us $5 a day is nothing, to them it is so so much more. In 1989 when China began the switch to a Capitalist Economy, the average income per year was just barely over $300 dollars a year. [1] Since the switch to Capitalism the average income has blossomed to almost $7000 dollars a year. [2] This is a tremendous rise in income from the utterly pitiful amount of the $300 of the "equal income" of the broken and corrupt Communist state. The fact that so many people living below the poverty line can be attributed to the fact that even now almost 50% of the Chinese population lives in small underdeveloped villages. [3] It can not be blamed solely on the slow effects of Capitalism in such a massive country. Recognition of the Individual: Okay now that we have settled the argument of greed, we move to societal focus. (Am I interpreting that correctly?) Capitalist societies yes have there corrupt people, in every society no matter what type we try there will be corruption, it is an inevitable fact, so what if the top 67 billionaires own as much money as 3.5 billion, they worked for that money, it (I will admit for the most part) is earned and not inherited. There is little proof that this is draining essentials from individuals, and who says that they are not philanthropic as well? Why Communism will fail: There is little that is actually subjective about the statement that communism hasn't succeeded, it's a fact, lest you can name one country that is better off because of Communism, under these states, millions died, economies collapsed, and once superpowers such as Russia, are reduced to limping stagnate economies. I don't believe that a poll taken in the current dictatorial stances of Russia, especially with the way that Putin has been behaving and the influence he has had in the last 20 years, is trustworthy, period. The idea that Communism never succeeding is not really speculation, it is fact, again, unless you can provide me with unbiased numbers that show that any Communist country has succeeded for a very long time, I will not seek to budge on the point. For your Ukrainian poll thing, unless any hard data is provided that point will go on as considered invalid. Now for North Korea, sure sanctions have hurt, but if North Korea's little boy was actually interested in improving the economy and not expanding his wealth, North Korea might actually have some cash on hand, same with Cuba. Both could trade with Venezuela, China, Ecuador, and each other and do fine. Now my claim was not quite that severe, but looking back on the Space race thing, I poorly explained it. After the Soviet Unions initial launch of a living being in space and then a man, they mad several failed attempts at putting a man on the moon, and so they really didn't do anything crucial after that. [4] To date only 12 people have landed on the moon, all Americans [5] truly attesting to American Superiority over the Soviet Union, now back to Economics. Finally It is not economically possible for a country to avoid recession, it just can't happen, and to further state that the Soviet Union never had a recession is a bald-faced lie which you have convinced yourself to be true. That statement was only retracted somewhat, but the main reason for the collapse of the Soviet Union, was because of Economic Collapse and Recession!!! [6] So the argument that there was never a recession in the Soviet Union goes, out the window. Concluding Statements: First off I would like to thank my opponent for a interesting debate, secondly keep the rebuttle thing going would yah? The idea of Communism on Paper is as you described, but in action, the idea that communism values individuals is a false statement. The reason America Remains in a Ressecion is on account of the fact that we have a President who can't do anything correct if his life depended on it, causing growing inequality, skyrocketing college, and only part time jobs. You know the "unemployment rate" is only at 5ish percent, wrong the man we call out President (well I do I think you're Canadian?) has been fudging number and trying to provide this free Health Care and Free College [7]. Truth is, it ain't working and even me, behind a computer :D, can feel it, I still cant get a job because that man is such a disaster. That is why the U.S. is still in a recession. So anyway, please challange me in a debate again, this was very interesting, hope to hear from you soon! 1- http://data.worldbank.org... 2- http://data.worldbank.org... 3- http://www.tradingeconomics.com... 4- http://www.history.com... 5- http://www.tsgc.utexas.edu... 6- http://www.sjsu.edu... 7- http://www.alternet.org...