THW Temporarily Ban Muslim Immigration

Rebuttals: Introduction: At no point in this debate contradicted myself. However you do appear to be making a lot of points that simply don't add up. You appear to be saying that because most American muslims are assimilated, muslims from overseas must also share those values. This is a horrible error, as muslims from overseas are often brought in countries that have a despise of the west, and so will have difficulty assimilating. Saying that Islam is harmful is not saying that muslims are harmful. It is stating that an enormous number of humanitarian crises and apparent extremism exist in the muslim world, and the common denominator for the perpetrators is Islam. My point about prisons was not that because muslims in America are bred in prisons we must therefore ignore terrorism from overseas. My point was that you appear to be claiming that muslims join ISIS and extremist groups because American muslims feel left out in society. I was arguing that this is not the case, as a number of muslims, many of whom likely hold extremist views due to their history of crime, are not muslims when they go into prison, but are when they come out. Worsening of terrorism: Again you are pushing the point that muslims join ISIS because they feel unhappy. This simply is not true. Some people may do so, and some may join seeking a cause, however I have already cited a source that shows that muslims in America are often being subjected to radical preachers in mosques funded by Saudi Arabia, a known human rights violator and extremist sympathiser. To say that a travel ban would drive all of the muslims to cutting off people's heads and blowing themselves up is, I think, an insult to all of the moderate muslims who have done well to assimilate and who, even in the face of travel restrictions, wouldn't even dream of killing other members of the public. You seem to be able to look into the future. 'Muslims would see', 'they would join'. This kind of talk is nonsense. You do not know if the muslim population will move to terrorism following a travel ban, you are merely proposing an unlikely scenario. Principle problems: Once again you have misunderstood my point. In the second world war, I'm sure there were a number of groups in the US that were causing problems, but these people were not banned. The muslim threat in the US is similar to the threat of spy infiltration simply because the threat of Islamic extremism coming from overseas is a very real one. The threat of Jewish extremism coming from overseas is far less likely. The reason for this is supposing 1% of the Jewish population is extremist, that is 54,000 extremists that may or may not be inside the country. However if 1% of muslims is extremist, all of a sudden that is 16,000,000 extremists that we need to worry about. Consequently although there are travel restrictions as you said, the likelihood of there existing a muslim extremist is much higher, and so must be treated differently. Who are the terrorists? The majority of terrorists are indeed born in the US, but yet you have already claim and I quote 'it would only prevent a small fraction (less than 9%, according to my calculations based on the chart) of terrorism'. That 9% is large enough for me to consider the ban, as these are lives we are talking about. I think that lives are far more important than travel. It is right to say that banning immigration would not prevent people at home being radicalised. My point is that we can focus on tackling that far more by stopping attacks from coming from abroad. Instead of splitting anti terrorism funding, we can focus all of it on the areas that really matter. Hence a ban 'until we know what the hell is going on'. Homophobia I do indeed have the burden of proof. I propose you look at the map on this link: (1). Then have a look at this: (2). Almost all of the countries with muslim majorities have extraordinarily harsh laws on Homosexuality ranging from imprisonment to death. The people coming from these countries have their own intolerant cultures and it would be insane to think that those feelings would not carry on having travelled to the US. The Orlando shooter for example had very strong views on homosexuality. Possibly as a result of his father having similar views: (3). Closing statement: I think that I have appropriately rebutted most of your points, which I think do miss the mark with this debate. Extremism is of great threat across the world. It is grown in intolerant countries like Saudi Arabia and Syria where people from across the globe will travel to join the cause of ISIS. It is from there that French citizens, German citizens, and indeed future or existing American citizens travel out to cause mayhem. It is already happened in France twice in recent times. In the past it has happened in the US, in the UK, and many many other countries. If there are measures we can take to reduce the threat of these people coming the US, they must be taken. The idea of it further radicalising the population, this is not a justification. However if people use it as a justification it is simply to pander to their selfish needs. It is not a justification. Thus to claim that it will cause people to blow themselves up is I think an insult to all those muslims who do their damndest to be good citizens. Thus I urge everyone reading this to vote Pro on this debate, to demonstrate that the people will need keep quiet and let this insanity go on any longer. Thank you.(1) https://en.wikipedia.org...(2) https://en.wikipedia.org...(3) http://www.unilad.co.uk...