God vs athiesm

The symbol for four is four. The symbol 4 and the word four both have the same value and if I were to use it in a math problem such as 4-2 or four minus two I would get the same answer. What about words? We can't physically observe them but we can write them or speak them and they will have the same meaning. Are you trying to say we can't observe words? Even though you have used words in your debate? What created the universe without God? Big Bang theory is a very promising idea, and their are many others that explain how the universe came to be. . For something to be created, the creator must be as complex or more complex than what they have created. With that said, if God created the Universe, than their most be a creator who created God that is as complex or more complex than he is. Now you say God is a uncaused caused, why can't the universe be an uncaused cause? Why must the universe have a creator but the being that supposedly created it not? ALSO, and probably the most astounding evidence God didn't create the Earth, is in the BIBLE! Genesis 6:11 - The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence. How could the Earth be corrupt before God created it? The answer: he didn't create it. ANOTHER point. You talk about infinity. We know the universe began somehow, so it had a beginning. I request a BoP of something that is infinite that we have seen and observed. Their isn't one. We know things most begin and end. Our minds can't comprehend infinity, and many mathematicians and physicists and philosophers, ect. Have actually wanted to ban infinity for its contradictions. You can see those in paradoxes such as I have listed below: http://en.m.wikipedia.org... http://en.m.wikipedia.org... http://en.m.wikipedia.org... http://en.m.wikipedia.org... Question 1 response: The reason their can't be an infinite past is because it already happen. The future is yet to happen, so it had maximum potential. However, the belief if we live forever is really up to debate, and is a matter of opinion, not fact. Question 2 response: You say we can't apply logic to supernatural beings. On a unrelated note, by him being able to lift a boulder he cannot lift is obviously a contradiction and cannot happen. However, I digress and will continue. If we can't apply logic to a supernatural being, than lets ask if God can read. Reading is a logical task, and it's logical to believe God can read, but if we can't apply logic to a supernatural being, than theirs the chance God can't read the book he himself inspired. What if God can't understand us? Language is logical, and it's logical to believe God can understand us, but once again if we can't apply logic to a supernatural being, than theirs the chance he can't understand us(maybe that's why we have so many unanswered prayers). Now you're probably thinking something along the lines of "what In the hell is this guy talking about?" And I understand. So I am going to give some points that will hopefully make this clear. If you are a fully devoted Christian, you read the bible every chance you get, preach it, live by it, you would expect God to treat you well wouldn't you? Well, I have a story for you. A friend of mine is that fully devoted christian. He's 15 years old, and next year will be becoming a minister for youth group. He reads the bible in new teen and during class, often sings gospels and hymns, opens doors for people often being tardy to class, and goes to a bible group during lunch at school he helped fond and preaches the bible. Now being the Christian he is, you would expect God to give him some God in his life wouldn't you? Then why is it that he is poor? Why is it he is struggling in almost all his classes? Why is it his Girlfriend is now in a coma? Why is it he got in an accident where now his back is permanently curved and can no longer play sports(happen when he was little)? I ask this, and wonder why I, an atheist, am living an almost perfect life. My family is upper middle class(they are Christians, I'm the odd ball out), I'm not the best looking but I'm fairly attractive(girls have said this, not boasting my own horn), athletic enough to be 2nd string on my highschool football team and will be a starter next season or my senior year, and I have a 3.75 GPA with getting letters to go and represent my state at a science convention and meet Buzz alrdin along with noble prize winners. Why is it I have a great life while he doesn't? It's logical to believe God would give all the pros in my life and give them to his devoted servant, and put all the bad onto me, but if we can't apply logic to God, than I guess are logic God loves his followers more than non followers goes out the window as you can see by my story. What about all the famous athletes and celebrities who are atheist? Making millions of dollars every year, while a devoted Christian sits unemployed in a beat down house that is about to be foreclosed? In your Calvinism argument, I would like you to present a BoP for something that is random, not predetermined, and not in Gods plan. You will find this is impossible as you nor does anyone else know what Gods plan is, therefore cannot know what is in his plan. Zeus rebuttal: what if Zeus is invisible? Maybe just invisible to nonbelievers such as you? What if the Gods are just very Good hiders? What if they have decided to move? All of these can explain why you wouldn't see Zeus and the others. The fact remains you can't prove that Zeus doesn't exist. The Argument from Truth: I would like you to present a bop for premise 1. What is a eternal truth we have discovered about a being? Because of evolution, certain traits disappear. For example, a banana does not look like it did a few hundred years ago. We have the traits inside us for a tail and Gils, but because of evolution that trait has been shut off and we no longer have them.