Superhero Face Off 2

I will break my opponents arguments down into individuals points to make them easier for me to address you said "Ah, so you're now admitting you have selected and unbeatable characters. She can't be destroyed, ever? Not ever? Not with any conceivable attack? Then she violates your 'No near-God level power' rule and you forfeit the debate. " you also said "He has recently been revealed to not only be connected to the Speed Force, but is the very source of it, generating it with every step he takes. As such, he presumably has some of the Speed Force-related abilities other speedsters have demonstrated (such as lending and stealing speed), though he has yet to demonstrate such abilities. This alone is enough to make him one of the most powerful beings on Earth, and perhaps in existence. so same goes for you like choosing the most powerful being in the universe is fair. so if phoenix makes me forfeit then flash also makes you forfeit REBUTTALS Goku's speed and power - what you said for this was sooooooo stupidly put like i honestly thought you was smarter than that like for real ok so "im choosing goku at the end of gt so all that he was weak and needed help stuff aint gunna work here" "This is completely incorrect. Goku and Vegeta merged into Gogeta were unable to defeat Black Smoke Shenron and he (Goku) ended up having to draw on the power of the beings all over the Universe to perform the spirit bomb. Clearly he was not unbeatable even at the end of GT." the fight with black smoke shenron was not the end of gt, when pan saw goku in the stands at the tournament with goku and vegeta jr is the end of gt (with is after he went to train with the dragon) "just saying that goku needed help so that means that he is weak or that his stamina is gunna run out is alot easier said than done." "I am certainly NOT saying Goku is weak. I am merely citing the various fights (Raditz, Frieza, Androids, Cell, Buu and so on) where Goku was unable to defeat his opponent alone as evidence he is not some unbeatable fighting God." NOW I SAID GOKU AT THE END OF GT RIGHT? GOKU AT THE END OF GT CAN EASILY DEFEAT EVERYONE U JUST STATED IN THIS QUOTE SO THAT POINT IS INVALID "Goku can instant transition to green lantern in a full nelson or just with a punch to the temple." "Of course he can. However, Goku's abilities that work in his Universe aren't necessarily going to work the same way in our hypothetical place of battle." oh really? is that the case? just because you said so? Ok fine everything you just stated about your hero's mainly the flash isn't going to work in our hypothetical place of battle either just because i said so... -___- like really dude point also invalid "at his now supersayin 2 he can more than likely keep up with the flash." Again, we have no basis for comparison but since the Flash can travel so fast he can time travel, I highly doubt this. Regardless of all this, my initial point about the Flash robbing Goku of his speed still stands. you just said flash went after phoenix so you cant rob Gokus speed at the same time also flash cant fly. ALSO my point on flash being OP as well as saying his powers wont necessarily work based on your two faulty points stands unless u change what your saying The Hulk; breaking the grip of the power ring and being mobile in space. exactly but hulk strength grows so the second he starts kicking and screaming he is going to get stronger there for breaking his grip before getting into space. "Phoenix gets flash in a force field and starts to crush him while floating him towards her" This indicates to me that they are in the general vicinity of each other. that is not true because in my source it says that she can control objects in outer space such as a meteor so her powers are very ranged "if all else fails, phoenix can revive herself" (This is also relevant: "hulk can almost survive anything. he has had his whole body destroyed with organs showing and he only took 11 minutes to regenerate back") Ah, so you're now admitting you have selected and unbeatable characters. She can't be destroyed, ever? Not ever? Not with any conceivable attack? Then she violates your 'No near-God level power' rule and you forfeit the debate. No, actually I change my tactic. The Flash travels back in time and kills Jean Gray, Bruce Banner and Goku when they were children. as i said before same goes for your flash being the most powerful being in existance who can time travel Let's stop being silly shall we? - give me a break you are so arrogant We are in control. That means the usual morality of my selected heroes is thrown out the door and they're free to be as brutal in the extent they use their magnificent powers, as long as I state my tactic. Exactly which proves my point -they only do what you tell them to do My opponent has done no such thing. He has not even addressed Superman's place in this battle. Superman! I have not done what? i just said that we control the people and tell them what to do.... so what didnt i do? what are you addressing and how can i address superman he is your character!!!! if i had the option to "addressed Superman's place in this battle" then i will put him in the core of a giant kryptonite rock like i don't understand what you are trying to say