Islam is THE main threat to liberty and life and Judeo-Christianity is key to PRESERVING BOTH: Rnd 2

Hello rwebberc You make some valid points here. People saying they were Christians, over the past 2000 years, certainly in history have done terrible things to eachother and to other non-Christian and yes, the jews. your first point here is somehwat valid Christianity was an influential force behind the most horrific event of the last 100 years: The Holocaust. I'm not blaming the Holocaust on Christianity, as there were many factors contributing to the rise of Nazism as well as their philosophy. However, Martin Luther's (the founder of Protestantism) "On the Jews and Their Lies" has been widely acknowledged by many scholars, including Professor Robert Michael, Professor Emeritus of European History at the University of Massachusetts, Dartmouth, and Diarmaid MacCulloch, Professor of the History of the Church in the University of Oxford, as one of the most influential texts behind Nazi ideology. HOWEVER, the main thrust of the National Socialists was NOT merely anti-semitic, and the main reason why Hitler was able to rally the German people to the Nazi/SS cause was actually RACIAL in nature, based on the MASTER RACE of some blond haired blue eyed type people being superior and needing to dominate over the rest of the world. CASE in POINT : Who were Hitlers enemies ? England and the USA- both OVERWHELMINGLY CHRISTIAN nations It was our MORALITY and PERSEVERANCE , based on our Judeo-Christian values, that ended up ending this horrible threat AND the Japanese threat- are you going to also say that was Christian based? Hmmmmm? or are you going to agree that ALSO the Japanese were primarily RACISTS, and believed the true JAPANESE RACE was superior to the Chinese, Pacific Islander, Korean, and other races who they were BRUTALLY MURDERING. these were RACIST evil empires from hell, not CHRISTIAN. Furthermore, the ISLAMIC types ALLIED THEMSELVES WITH THE AXIS POWERS your summary point 1 --------------------- Clearly Judeo-Christianity can be corrupted just as easily as Islam in order to justify violence and hatred. Ok, first of all list Jewish cases of corruption and murder and brutal conquest in history _______________________________________________ Second, I will point out that , although Christ has been used as an excuse to brutally suppress, it is NOT HIS WORDS OR TEACHINGS that validated this behavior- this is NOT TRUE AT ALL for muhammed. Nearly everything he had to say was like "conquer with force the christians and jews, take their women as booty, and subjugate them under Allah" there are SO MANY EXAMPLES of this, that are UNDENIABLE, that is it obvious to folks like me who have studied this in detail totally know why there are all these suidical murderous insane antisemitic muslims- it is VERY CLEAR from Muhmammed, their hero, that this is correct and perfect muslim behavior. why dont we see Jewish and Christian suicide bombers and psycho killers? because Christ didnt teach people to kill - or to hate the Jews- he WAS THE KING of the JEWS! in fact the Christian believes far from a reward for killing oneself and 72 virgins (I wont even get into how sick and preverted that is) it is a cardinal sin to do so, and the worst possible thing you can do. Martin Luther was a scumbag Jew hater in my opinion- his religious fervor caused thousands of peasants to be killed and he was nothing special it was not HE who has so reformed Christianity- it is CHRIST HIMSELF. CHRIST was incredibly peaceful and thoughtful and NICE. Sooner or later , Christianity wa bound to mellow out as the world got civilized and it came under higher and higher scrutiny. Jewish folks have never been anything BUT peaceful and diligelent- As Islam comes under more and more focus, what is happening is it is reveting to its roots, its founder, Muhammed, who was a terrible EVIL insane megalomaniac. if you dare to say something like this in an Islamic place, a mob will stone you to death, rip your body to shreds, cheer about it, and then feed it to dogs (thats if your lucky) think Im kidding? how many people (mostly muslims) were killed over the cartoons? So conversely, what happens when Christ is attacked? the Christian is calm, mellow and takes it in stride. Simply, thats because the Christian knows Christ wasnt any of those bad things A muslim, deep in his heart , does NOT want the truth revealed. That is why they KILL when the prophet is "insulted" YOUR NEXT POINT Liberty is defined by Merriam Webster as "The power to do as one pleases." In the United States today, the largest opponent to gay marriage is the religious right. Christian leaders, such as James Dobson in his book Marriage Under Fire, argue that to allow homosexuals to marry would be against Biblical teachings. Christianity continues to be used to restrict the liberties of those deemed to be against it. Marriage is defined as one man and one woman. We already have domestic parterships and civil unions for gays, with all the same rights as married couples. there is no disrimination aginst gays- they prosper and thrive. beleive me i live in SF - they are PROSPEROUS here and RUN THE CITY. What the gay activists are trying to do is SHOVE THIS DOWN THE THROAT OF THE CHURCH The God of the bible teaches that homosexuality is wrong, and discourages it. If you are gay, and dont like that fact, dont be a Jew or Christian. or just accept the fact that some bible thumpers will think you are living in sin- BIG DEAL! Im straight and Im sure they think ALL KINDS of things I do are sinful - so f***ing what??? Christ, as far as I know, doesnt have much to say on the subject. He was a prettty down to earth accepting kinda guy that hung out with transients and prostitutes to show they were human beings too worthy of respect. your next point ---------------------- Islam: The common debate is that Islam supports terrorism and that terrorists are practicers of true Islam. But nothing will be solved by searching for "true Islam" or quoting the Quran this is plain and simple , WRONG you have no idea what youre talking about and need to read up for a few months or years before you will even have a clue. here, once again, is a good reference, www.prophetofdoom.net Please feel free to visit any one of my Islam debates to get more detailed arguments SO MY SUMMARY (1) Christianity is a GREAT THING for people to believe in . Christ was a stellar human being , and to follow him most likely means you are a good person and will do fine. Christ will continue to be the center of life for hundreds of millions forever. (2) Judaism is one of the world oldest religions and has survived all these millenia and persecution because they beleive that they are the people of the book , the chosen ones. Being Jewish is totally fine and dandy and most of my good friends are Jews. It is challenging and scholarly. (3) Islam is a totally different story. FIRST: There are alot of good, nice muslims. However, the main thrust of Islam right now is Sharia, conquest through force, desire to take over societies and establish a worldwide caliphate. Muhammed was a horrible person and to make him your savior will surely lead to trouble in your spiritual life. the foundations of Islam, the Qu'ran , Hadiths and Suras, etc. are filled with hateful violent phrases , and where not, try and plagarize the bible and try to make Muhammed the true guy, rather than Christ. Violence, suicide bombing, inciting of hatred against others, and the like are already illegal in the free world, and should not be tolerated. Mosques should not be allowed to be built. Islamic meetings and organizations should be closely watched by the Feds. Christianity , Judaism and other strong belefs are going to be necessary to counter ISLAM.