In America, Abortion is not murder.

I thank con for participating in this debate. Con agrees with the definition and murder and my classifications for something to be murder. Con addresses each of my stances separately and agrees with #2, #3, And #4, But not #1. While con does agree on the ruling of the supreme court he has a problem with the word lawfulness, And that it depends on how you interpret it. "The problem I have with this is the following- It depends on ones interpretation of "lawfulness. " If you are talking from a legal standpoint, I guess so, But I think there is more too it than that. " - Con I ask con, What other ways can you view the lawfulness of something other than a "Is it legal" view? Then, Con states that during the process of getting abortion legalized in the US of A, That the supreme court is trying to find out its 'lawfulness' and then states that the law doesn't represent the citizens of the US as a whole. "The supreme court, In the decision making process, Is trying to find out whether it is lawful or not. There opinions of abortion does not represent the U. S. Population as a whole. " - Con While I do agree that the view of abortion as a whole wasn't represented, The supreme court was basing their actions off of the ninth amendment. "The Court declined to adopt the district court's Ninth Amendment rationale, And instead asserted that the "right of privacy, Whether it be founded in the Fourteenth Amendment's concept of personal liberty and restrictions upon state action, As we feel it is, Or, As the district court determined, In the Ninth Amendment's reservation of rights to the people, Is broad enough to encompass a woman's decision whether or not to terminate her pregnancy. "[39] Douglas, In his concurring opinion in the companion case, Doe, Stated more emphatically, "The Ninth Amendment obviously does not create federally enforceable rights. "[40] Justice Blackmun's majority opinion explicitly rejected a fetal "right to life" argument. [41][42] The Court instead recognized the right to an abortion as a fundamental right included within the guarantee of personal privacy. [43] As a result, Regulations limiting abortion had to be justified by a "compelling state interest, " and legislative enactments regulating abortion had to be narrowly tailored to meet the compelling interests; in other words, Justice Blackmun applied a strict scrutiny analysis to abortion regulations. [44]"- Wiki, Roe Vs Wade (https://en. Wikipedia. Org/wiki/Roe_v. _Wade#Supreme_Court_decision) I ask con, Does it even matter if the US citizens weren't represented when not allowing abortion to be legalized would violate the ninth amendment? Then, Con thinks that the first criteria is unnecessary and that instead of arguing in legal terms, We should argue this from a moral perspective. "In this case, I do not think "lawfulness" from a legal standpoint is a good criteria because there is much more to abortion than a standard murder of people that are not fetuses. I say this because it is from one independent person to another, Not a fetus and a mother connected to each other. I believe "unlawful" should be more to the side/word "immoral. ""- Con The problem that I have with this is that while the law is objective, Morality is subjective, So if the first criteria is immoral instead of lawful, The courts can be more swayed to their own personal bias in cases, Which wouldn't make the trial fair, Which would violate one of our rights. Then, Con asks me a question: "Just to clarify, You think abortion is killing, But not murder? And do you think that it is immoral, By your definition to"kill, " a baby (abortion)? " - Con Yes, I do believe that abortion results in a killing, But you have to keep in mind that to kill someone doesn't always equate to murder someone, And abortion doesn't fit the criteria for it to become murder because it is legal. If it doesn't matter if the killing is legal, Wouldn't that make the death penalty, War, Self-defense, Police shootouts, Etc, Murder as well? As for the immoral part, I think that while killing off a fetus is a bad thing, I do think that women should have the right to choose. Back to you, Con.