Socialism

I only mentioned those countries being forced to become puppet States of the Soviet Union to illustrate how most of the countries which we refer to as "Communist" cannot be taken as an accurate measure of Communism's efficiency since the citizens of those nations did not willingly become communist, and thus were controlled by the Soviets. Communism is a great concept with a lot of merit, and we should try it with more regard to the ideals of Karl Marx and his Communist manifesto. Look at the Nordic Countries. They're socialist, and the people in them love living there. The next step, I'd say, would be to end currency in those places altogether and see how things go, and if they start going downhill, we could introduce currency again. It's as simple as that. Ever go to Canada? They're pretty socialist, but they're our pals. I hate dictatorship. That's why I like Communism. Communism, when exercised with accuracy, is the exact opposite of dictatorship. Throughout this debate, you have not provided a single quote from the Communist Manifesto where Karl Marx says that Communism necessitates dictatorship, but you continue to say that he states that. I urge you to post a quote from him in the comment section where he says, bluntly, that Communism necessitates dictatorship. I don't think it does. I think Communism can be practiced with any sort of government, from a monarchy to a democracy. Communism is only economic, sir, and the leader of an economic country can set up any sort of government he wishes. I am no hypocrite. I think that Stalin and Mao were horrible people, but I see people as complex being, not inherently good or inherently evil. Thus, I see their achievements as well as their flaws. I am not as blinded as you. There is no doubt that without Stalin's help, Hitler would have become the ruler of everything. The Soviets also had a good space program. Between Stalin and Hitler, Stalin was the lesser of the two evils. He industrialized the entirety of Russia within only a few years. Castro is still seen as a hero by the people of Latin America today. You, sir, are a dullard. You are saying that you are correct because you are correct. Thus, you are committing the logical fallacy of Petitio Principii. The Russians and the Americans were equally responsible for continuing their stupid war. They could have stopped at any time if they wished to. War is not a necessity, and it deprives the human soul, and reverses our progress as a species towards becoming a perfect utopia. Since neither side in the Cold War was willing to moderate the beliefs or accept each other as legitimate, potentially great nations, they both declined into an era of paranoia and fear. Neither side would become pacifist. One more reason I appreciate Stalin and Mao, though, is that they were willing to try Communism. They failed miserably at it, but they tried something which had never been tried before, and they were courageous to do that. They became scorned and hated for their actions. I'd also like to point out that feminism was pretty high in Soviet Russia. Women were able to get jobs about a decade before women's rights became available here in America. They considered women as equals to men, albeit only for the cause of mass production in factories. Women didn't have to stay at home all day and take care of kids. There's one advantage. As I have demonstrated time and again throughout the course of this debate, both sides in the Cold War had some disadvantages and advantages. I have endlessly provided sources and reasons as to why McCarthyism was just as bad a policy as Communism. I have given propaganda which was broadcast into every home with the sole purpose of discrediting Communism as a plausible theory. You have ignored or denied every one of these arguments, and stated that they were justified because America needed to confine Communism as much as possible. But our actions during the Cold War were irrational and completely unjustified. Once more, you're committing the logical fallacy of Petitio Principii, also known as begging the question or circular reasoning. You are stating that America was justified in killing off Communism because it needed to kill Communism. You have not given any reasons for why the Cold War ever had to happen. I think Joe McCarthy was just as insane as Stalin, and should be considered mentally unstable, as well a symbolic representation of all paranoia we ever encountered during those troubled times. Dr. Seuss was accused by some of being communist because he had a unique perspective and implemented creative art and philosophy in his books. Salvador Dali was accused of being a communist because he was eccentric. Bob Dylan was accused of being Communist because he was a hippie with a passion for songwriting and poetry. None of them were Communists. I don't think the bloody Chilean coup can be justified. Pinochet was a ruthless monster, and yet we helped him rise to power. Why? We were just scared of Communism, whether our fears were based in fact or not. Salvador Allende won because the peasants in the streets elected him over the ruthless, corrupt wealthy, who had rigged the elections for years prior in order to sustain the class system and maintain a fictional democracy. You're so ignorant. I only used Bir Tawil and Antarctica as examples of land which ha not been claimed. Keep in mind, sir, that humanity now has access to highly advanced agricultural technology, as well as accurate climate control. If a country would be willing to set aside a few acres of land for the use of this Communist experiment, that would be fine also. The land simply has to be an official country. I'd also like to mention that mankind has highly advanced agricultural technology, so a person could settle on Bir Tawil or Antarctica if he wanted to. We'd simply have to create a climate-controlled artificial atmosphere. Otherwise, people settling in the new Communist country could bring some compost and water. I only used Bir Tawil and Antarctica as examples. You're using the Straw Man fallacy. I never heard you mention anything about Plymouth Rock. I didn't say Cuba was successful because they had old cars. I just said it was neat. It is neat. Aren't old cars neat? You shouldn't hate China, sir. They produce all our products. They are our allies. Vietnam has museums. If they have museums, they have a culture. Communism has failed in some ways, but it never had to fail. You tried to point out some problems with my hypothetical situation. Say I bring 20 people along and give everybody a house. Why would I need to trade with other countries? Why would my citizens suffer from a lack of food? They just have to grow gardens and maybe own some chickens or something, for Gosh sakes. It can't be THAT hard. If they take care of their chickens and their crops, they'll be OK as far as food goes. I think we'd be economically self-sufficient. As a true Communist country, we wouldn't have any currency. And why can't the village doctor grow food? He could have a garden just like everyone else. And, if he cures somebody of a disease or something, they could pay him in food. You're creating problems where there don't have to be any. Your little mind can't imagine a world without money. I'd like to remind you that money is only paper which we apply a certain value to. The world could easily do without it. You DO believe that the United States is flawless, though, sir. You support all of our wars. You support dropping the atomic bomb on Hiroshima. You support Joe McCarthy and the draft during the Vietnam War. You are an ignorant person. During the era of McCarthyism, free speech was not a human right. If free speech was given, then a person would be able to say he or she was a communist without being carted off to prison. As for E.C. Comics, sir, the Federal government was behind shutting them down all the way. The people didn't want them to go bankrupt. Today, they're considered by many comic collectors to be the most fun Comics ever written. Take a look at them sometime. They are not Communist. They were accused of being Communist. They dealt with controversial topics. They spoke out against Southern lynch mobs, the KKK, and police corruption, as well as unbased Anti-Communist paranoia. They were ages ahead of their time. The government destroyed them because they were considered threatening to the illusion which the government wished to uphold. E.C. Comics also wrote stories about vampires and aliens. Vampires and aliens, back in the day, were thought to lead a child to nervous breakdown. I suggest you read Seduction of the Innocent by Frederick Wertham. It shows just how horrified people were in the old days about their children reading harmless, funny, decent comic books. Batman was almost banned because the McCarthyist idiots thought he and Robin were gay. Ever hear about the anti-homosexuality vibe during this time? It sucked too. The draft was a method of "using your citizens as tools and working them to death in order to keep your failing economic system afloat because you refuse to admit that it's a bad idea." I am "Semper Fi" to Communism. You can't deny what the Japanese internment camps were like. Invading Japan would have been a more rational approach. Italy and Germany had already surrendered. We killed thousands. We could have just killed people in the military. They might have made their own citizens kill themselves. Is what we did any better? Finally, I'd like to point out something. COMMUNISM is a system which functions on COMMUNES. The idea that teamwork and equality can create a better world. CAPITALISM relies on CAPITAL, or currency, thus enforcing greed and hatred. The roots of the words are all I have to say. Communism has been unfairly misrepresented. It has been given a bad name. It has merit. We should try it again. Judges, vote wisely. Don't let your previous biases influence your decision.