Abortion is wrong

Seeing as how I was a Christian, and now I realize the funny logic of it, I doubt it's going to happen. But nice try ;D. ==================== The "SAD FACTS" ==================== {quote}They show that abortion is a holocaust that is wiping out millions of fetuses every single year. {endquote} ----> As I have argued in the previous, comparing abortion to a widespread event of murder is erroneous. Fetuses' are not people, therefore it's not considered murder when they are killed. {quote}They show how many souls and unborn children that abortion is responsible for killing and obliterating, and obviously killing unborn children who have done absolutely nothing wrong is certainly morally wrong. {endquote} ---->I first want to note your interesting diction; you say "unborn children" instead of a fetus. Obviously a rhetorical play at emotions, once again :). Sneaky tactics don't work. In response to your quote, you are still begging the question. You have NOT shown how abortion is absolutely wrong, so stop saying it's "obvious". {quote}No they do not. How can I commit a fallacy when my facts are actual statistics and are the real calculations? {endquote} ----->Obviously I am not saying your statistics are wrong. In fact, there mere fact that you think that me accusing you of a fallacy means me accusing you of wrong calculations SHOWS that you don't even understand what a fallacy is. A fallacy is a flaw in logic or reasoning. Your argument of "sad facts" failed because it only relied on emotional facts, and has no argument. It does NOT show why abortion is wrong, because it hasn't even grounded the philosophical aspect of being a person. If it's not a person, it doesn't matter! Your entire list of sad facts is still irrelevant and a waste of time. ==================== Whether or not abortion is murder ==================== {quote}So generally speaking, abortion is as a majority viewed as murder, so I would need evidence that the minority of people who think abortion is not murder are viable. {endquote} ---->And you would need evidence from the majority as well. But no matter, we both agree that both sides need evidence, no need for further discussion. Because my opponent does not contend my definition of a person, he has now switched his counterargument to the common argument that fetuses' have a "potential". As such, I will move my responses for this argument to the next one, as they are both the same. =================== Potential of fetuses' and other various aspects =================== {quote}Doesn't an unborn fetus have the potential for life and to become a person? {endquote} ---->My opponent accuses my argument as being as red herring - amusing, since his argument is full of it. He argues that because a fetus has the POTENTIAL to become a person, then we shouldn't allow abortion. This argument, though common, is horrendously ridiculous. I will repeat my original counterargument, and offer a few more. If we should allow abortion because a fetus has the POTENTIAL, then should it be illegal to masturbate? Because each of those sperm that are now on the floor or somewhere have POTENTIAL. Should it be illegal for me to NOT have sex with every woman I see? After all, I have sperm and she has eggs, so should it be wrong for me to NOT have sex voraciously? Ridiculous as well. If we could invent a self-aware computer, effectively qualifying it as a person (A. I. robots in futuristic sci-fi movies), then would it be wrong for me to NOT turn it on? Of course not. It doesn't matter if something has the potential of being a person - the defining mark is when it does become one. {quote}Your argument on masturbation is completely irrelevant. .. Your wasting of sperm cells will be replenished with your own body's replenishment of sperm, so when you actually want to have a child, the child would still receive the same genetics it would have if you never masturbated. {endquote} ---->Are you kidding me? Each sperm cell is unique, meaning a different child with different variations can come out, depending on what sperm cell got to the egg. Why do you think the same parents will produce different looking children? ! For example, I am the oldest son of three boys. My parents have never been divorced, and I'm sure my mother did not cheat on my father. From your argument, should my two younger brothers (age 12 and 5) look exactly like me and have the "same genetics"? No. {quote}Most women abort their babies because they simply do not want it. Is that moral? Certainly not. Just because I do not want Obama as president does not mean I have the right to kill him. Just because a mother does not want a baby does not give her the right to kill the unborn fetus. {endquote} ---->There's so many things wrong with this quote I actually have to number it: 1. Women don't abort babies, they abort fetuses. 2. Obama is a person, therefore you can't kill him. And he doesn't live in your gut for 9 months. 3. Just because a mother does not want a BABY does not giver her a right to kill the unborn. .fetus? Bad play at words, stop trying to switch around the words when you know perfectly well the distinction between a baby and a fetus. {quote}Abortion is obviously an act of brutal violence against the unborn fetus because the fetus is being killed and its soul is being taken away. {endquote} ----> There is no soul, ergo this argument holds no weight. And so what if it's "violent"? Kicking a flower is a brutal act of violence towards the flower, does that matter? {quote}Abortion is also INDIRECTLY an act of violence against the woman. Who cares is she consents to abortion? {quote} ----> BECAUSE SHE CHOSE TO DO IT HERSELF. If I cut myself is it WRONG of me? Should I be penalized? There is absolutely nothing immoral you can do to yourself. {quote}If a fetus is in the womb by nature, then why mess with the intentions of nature and kill it? {endquote} ----> Are you kidding me? We mess with nature all the time. We cut down trees. We use medicine. We wear clothes. We drive cars. We fly airplanes. We use ships. We create synthetic food products and drinks. The entirety of human civilization has screwed nature over, don't think abortion is anything different. Just because soemthing is natural, does NOT make it good or bad. That would be the appeal to nature fallacy[1]. ==================== Psychological, medical, and emotional aspects of abortion ==================== {quote}[Abortion] goes against the choice and right of the unborn fetus. .. It is not. .. right to kill an unborn fetus that has done nothing wrong itself. {endquote} The fetus is not a person, therefore it has no rights. {quote}It is also wrong to give the mother risks of developing certain diseases and having greater chances of not reproducing in the future. {endquote} IT'S HER OWN CHOICE. IT DOESN'T MATTER IF IT'S HARMFUL. Drugs are harmful, but it's not immoral (unless your killing other people with it). {quote}YOUR OWN ARGUMENT BACKFIRED. You conform that there are many illegal abortions taking place, so you are proving that abortion is morally wrong. {endquote} This is truly laughable. My opponent tries to use the same phrases, fallacies, and problems with his own argument against me. What he doesn't realize is not only his argument are pitifully weak, but he doesn't even understand mine. I said ILLEGAL ABORTIONS (done in the back-alley) are harmful for women BECAUSE of pro-lifers like my opponent. They are forced to do abortions in obscurity because of societal pressure against it! ==================== Conclusion ==================== My opponent's argument is full of incredibly erroneous reasoning, and faulty assumptions. It's amusing when he attempts to use the same words as I do, but it's not convincing.