God Exists And Is Both Omnipotent And Omnibenevolent

Well, that was fun. Thanks Pro. Time to refute... Despite my provided link to the Chewbacca defense, a red herring style of arguing by using word choice/order to confound rather than persuade, Pro says: " I can't find the term "Chewbacca" in Dictionary.com. I hope you are not expressing a form of "intimidation." My Response: Let's make something clear. I'm not just "expressing" that Pro is using proof by verbosity (also called intimidation). Pro is deliberately attempting to confound readers by using irregular word choice/order instead of attempting to make clear and valid points. There, I said it. Pro continues: "Thank you Con for the enlightenment of your belief in the origin of the "big bang"...the science of metrology is not yet mature enough to that level of empirical investigation." My Response: It's not just my belief. The cosmic microwave background radiation proves there was a hot dense state (big bang) from quantum fluctuations. Metrology is just the standardization of scientific, technological, and legal measurements and the study thereof. Metrology's maturity has nothing to do with whether or not the big bang was expressed from quantum fluctuations. Check the evidence yourself, irrespective of the maturity of metrology. http://wmap.gsfc.nasa.gov... Pro then concedes the debate: "If the order of the universe (God) was "expressed" via the "big bang," then God...deals with flow starting from the "big bang", to create stars..." My Response: The agreed definitions clearly state: god - the creator of the universe Pro admits that his "god" didn't create the universe, and instead "god" is a result of the universe. Therefore, Pro's "god" is not the creator of the universe. Pro explains that "god" only interacts starting from the big bang. Therefore, Pro's "god" does not have the power to interact without the big bang, thus Pro's god is not omnipotent. Also, thanks to the 2nd law of thermodynamics, order (Pro's god) cannot remain. So if god is order, god doesn't have the power to remain infinitely because entropy (thermodynamic disorder) will always remain the same or increase in all closed systems. So it seems entropy is more powerful than order (god). https://en.wikipedia.org... Pro surmises: "If the order of the universe (God) was not "expressed," we would not have a "creator" of those stars, resulting in a null universe, or a universe at all. " My Response: Nope. A universe is space + matter. Stars are not a requirement for a universe. Also, stars are not created from order, they are created by the coalescence of matter due to gravity, and gravity can lead to much disorder. Pro continues: "Unalienable Rights---"Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness"---corresponds to the three primitives found in all living systems" My Response: You know what else corresponds to all living systems? Death - all living things die. Restriction - all living things have evolutionary constraints. Decay - all living things decay and eventually decompose. So despite Pro's infatuation with our founding fathers, the USA's unalienable rights do not correspond to all living systems, especially in those systems with lots of death, restrictions, and decay. Pro then asks a loaded question: "Do you [Con] think your existence, from this universal order (God), was not a "benevolent" event?" My Response: I don't think my existence is from "this universal order" and I think my existence is less of an event and more of a stative being. I might regard my life as benevolent, but perhaps the millions of bacteria I'm mercilessly killing every day might have a different take on it...I don't know, it certainly has nothing to do with whether or not order itself is omnibenevolent. To Conclude: Pro admits his god didn't create the universe, so his god is not god per this debate. Pro continues to use proof by verbosity to confound readers rather than persuade them. Pro claims that order was expressed from the big bang, leaving his god, order, powerless without the big bang. Entropy ALWAYS remains the same or increases in all closed systems...disorder is more powerful than order.