Ultimate Team War: Super Smash Bros Edition.

NOTE: For this debate, I shall be using this handy feature created by somejohn, hence the use of the markup I've placed in the debate: http://www.debate.org... 1) [b][color=red]Each of my characters are ranked high on the official Tier lists[/color][/b] First, I'd like to explain the very reason I chose the characters on my list. What my opponent doesn't seem to allude to in his previous round is that each of the characters whom I've shown have been empirically described as being the best characters in their games. This is based on statistics and is the general consensus of the competitive players. http://super-smash-bros.wikia.com... Now I anticipate that my opponent will try to argue against my citation of the tier list, but such arguments will ultimately be futile (which you will see for yourself in the next round should he choose to argue, especially given the nature of this debate). For Super Smash Bros. brawl: 1. Meta Knight: 1/37 (S class tier):SSBB 2. Snake: 2/37 (S class tier): SSBB 3. Wario: 3/37 (S class tier): SSBB 4. Falco: 4/37 (S class tier): SSBB 5 Marth: 2/26 (Top Tier): SSBM Now I specifically chose characters from specific games as you can see in my previous round. Though to give my opponent the benefit of the doubt, I shall automatically take into consideration where his characters are ranked the highest on SSBM or SSBB (I won't include the original smash brothers since the characters in that game are far too limited in terms of potential speed and techniques). If my opponent wants to use the first game, I won't mind as it will only be hurting his arguments). Anyways . . . Mewtwo: 24/26 (bottom tier)(SSBM) Sonic: 23/37 (C tier) (SSBB) Ness: 21/26 (Bottom tier) (SSBM) Fox: 1/26 (Top tier) (SSBM) Samus: 9/26 (Middle tier) (SSBM) Now as you can see, my opponent has only has one awesome character on his team and that his fox. The rest (excluding Samus, who is decent at best) are garbage and statistically no match for my characters. 2) [b][color=blue] RE: Mewtwo and Ness can use their abilities to render one member of CON's team useless [/color][/b] What my opponent neglects to mention is that these attacks rely heavily on close range and are rather easy to get around (there is a reason these characters are ranked so low). In fact, here is one of the things stated on Ness' page about the move my opponent claims will be effective: http://super-smash-bros.wikia.com...(SSBM) -"The special moves are overall slow coming out and have various amounts of cool down time with them, and adding to that it makes each one have a very limited use that makes them all situational." As for Mewtwo's attack, although it isn't quite crappy like Ness', the fact of the matter is that it takes time to charge and is easy to anticipate. It would be easy to attack mewtwo while he charged his attack. And considering Mewtwo's horrific light weight, he cannot afford for this to happen or else he'll get KO'd quite easily. Against a speedy foe like Falco, this tactic would easily be ineffective. And I'm not sure what my opponent means by rendering his "energy blast back" useless. Last I recall, Mewtwo has no techniques which can do this. Falco can quite easily spam his laser attacks from a safe distance if he wanted to. As for Ness using his fire ability on Snake, this is unlikely to succeed as we already know about the weaknesses to Ness' attacks. [b] 3) While all this is happening, Samus' cannon would be charged, and Sonic would be using his speed to his advantage, while going up against the much slower Wario. [/b] Wario may be a heavy character, but his movements are said to be the most unpredictable out of all the characters in the game (as can be seen in my wario link). Not to mention that there is virtually nothing to stop all of my characters from fighting together. For instance, while Sonic was fighting Wario, another character (i.e. Marth) could go pwn Samus by preventing her from being able to charge up her energy beam. Heck, Marth could use counter and Falco could reflect the blast [b][color=green] 4)Fox would be using his rapid fire blaster on Meta Knight, who is arguably my opponent's strongest member. [/color][/b] Not just arguably. Statistics support him as being the best. Mere lazer blast wouldn't keep him down. Meta Knight could easily dodge while making use of his impressive aerial abilities. [b][color=orange] 5) Samus would use the cannon on Marth, who isn't that agile, and is more susceptible to long range attacks.[/color][/b] I was under the impression that Samus would use her canon on Wario? Nevertheless, use of "counter" would make this attack useless. Not to mention a well timed use of the shield button would also make her attack useless. [b][color=purple] RE: "Meta Knight would be damaged due to Fox" [/color][/b] Again, really doubtful. Take a look at the vid to the right and notice how (both of these being PRO players) the fight didn't go as my opponent insisted. What I'm saying is that Fox couldn't simply win by firing lazer blast. In fact, most players know that merely doing that WILL get you killed by any non-noob player. http://www.youtube.com... [b][color=pink] RE: Meta Knight would then face a flurry of fire attacks from Ness, which would weaken him further, and would finally be hit with a smash attack from Fox, which would undoubtedly do him in. [/color][/b] Again, a controlled situation by my opponent which makes no sense. Why is it that Meta Knight has to be alone? Why wouldn't one of my teammembers be able to help him out? Seems to me that this is precisely how it would play out. [b][color=yellow] RE: Marth would be taken care of by Mewtwo's long rang attack [/color][/b] See what I've already said regarding Mewtwo. In addition, not only is Marth faster than Mewtwo, but that the tip of his sword does the most damage. In other words, Marth doesn't even have to be that close to Mewtwo (and become susceptible to his grabs or confusion attack) to fight him. And yeah, I'm gonna stop there since I realize the futility of it all. Someone in the comment section said it best: In this round, I could simply do as my opponent has done and create a situation that works precisely under my control (such as my opponents characters not working together and standing stationary while my whole team picks them apart one by one), but this is ultimately meaningless. [b]MY CASE[/b] Thus, I shall provide the following as my argument: Since each of my characters are statistically better than my opponents characters (well, save Fox (melee) > Marth (melee) though if you'll look at the page, you'll see that they are numerically very close), each of my characters could quite simply mow down my opponent's team members while marth and fox battled it out (characters trying to work together against one character (such as Mewtwo and Ness focusing on Falco) would be disadvantageous as my team could easily do the same and thus even the odds). When my opponent's team (minus fox) is wiped out, the rest could help marth finish fox off. Though if Fox beats Marth, he still won't stand a chance against the four remaining members.