Gun rights

Hey I need you to accept my friend request i to PM you about this debate. R1: More guns lead to more violent crimeI disagree here. Here is why:And as FBI crime reports and law enforcement and academic studies conclude, the self-evident truth is that more guns clearly equals less crime. Where there are more guns per capita, violent crime goes down, particularly crimes of assault, like rape, burglary, and robbery. This is good. [1]John Lott, in "More Guns, Less Crime," explains that crime fell by 10 percent in the year after the laws were passed. A reason for the drop in crime may have been that criminals suddenly worried that their next victim might be armed. [2]In Canada and Britain, both with tough gun-control laws, almost half of all burglaries occur when residents are home. But in the United States, where many households contain guns, only 13 percent of burglaries happen when someone_s at home. [2]Now let me explain the relevance of that last part, this indicates more guns = less crime. This means they case the houses in the US, but just go into the ones in the UK, now why does this matter? In John lotts book he hypothesis they are afraid of getting shot so thy wait until the owner leaves, but then he proves his point. He interviews criminals asking them the reasons they did not break into houses during the day, many did say it was because of guns. [3]the British homicide rate has averaged 52% higher since the outset of the 1968 gun control law and 15% higher since the outset of the 1997 handgun ban. [4]Crime rose AFTER the gun control laws.SO gun control doesn't work, more guns = less crime.R2: Guns lead to more suicides From 1991 to 2009, the total violent crime rate declined more than 40% to a 35-year low, and the murder rate declined by half to a 45-year low. Both declined more than six percent more in the first half of 2010. [5]Then it mentions the rise in gun ownership. Murder has a sub category of suicide. So this indicates guns=/= the cause of suicides.The weakness of the link between gun ownership and suicide should be obvious even to a two-year old, but if Butterfield shows any understanding of the absurdity of his claims, it is overshadowed by his zeal to paint gun ownership as detrimental to mental health and stability. [6]SO the evidence is weak and ignores other factors. Then it shows more suicides happen in rural areas where gun ownership is higher, BUT they miss on factor, income. Their income and lifestyle cause stress and agony. Also just because with a gun is easier doesn't mean it is more effective. If you ban guns people could just overdose on legal or illegal drugs for suicide. [6]Some of that was from the source some of that was from me.R3: Guns provide little redeeming value to justify dangerFalse:American civilians use their firearms as often as 2.5 million times every year defending against a confrontation with a criminal, and that handguns alone account for up to 1.9 million defenses per year. [7]So they are used 2.5 million times in self defense every year, Now does it work?98% of the time when a gun is shown the attack stops no shot fired. [8]This means no training is required, 98% of the time you are safe. So it works at least 98% of the time. So IT DOES make YOU safer.There are specific examples of guns saving lives, 01/14 Houston, TX Resident Shoots & Kills One of Two Armed Home Invaders [9]That source has more info on other people too.R4: alternatives to gunsFalse on the police thing:Most cops are for second amendment [10]National Association of Chiefs of Police conducted a mail survey of 15,000 sheriffs and police chiefs in 1996, 93 percent said they approved of law-abiding citizens arming themselves for self-defense. [11]The police are for guns in self defense. Also a gun IS the most effective tool for defense. Will a crowbar do the job? Maybe, will a knife? Maybe, will a pepper spray? Maybe. But a gun, will at least work 98-97% of the time, as most people run away from the site of a gun, and the extra 2% means shoot. A gun is the most effective self defense tool. [12]Also:Shotguns are the most effective ant felon device ever made [13]R5: Gun ownership is not a human rightBanning gun IS a human rights violation:In other words, gun control actually steals part of our humanity. How much worse of a human rights violation can exist than one that actually separates the “human” from the “rights”? [14]Now why are guns a human right as the source suggests? Self defense. Guns ARE used as defensive tools 2.5 million times a year, and work more then 98% of the time. Banning guns basically takes away your right to defense. Now I must prove self defense as a right:The right of self-defense (according to U.S. law) (also called, when it applies to the defense of another, alter ego defense, defense of others, defense of a third person) is the right for civilians acting on their own behalf to engage in violence for the sake of defending one's own life or the lives of others, including the use of deadly force. [15]Defense is a right [16]Guns are used as self defense, bought for self defense, and self defense is a right. If defense = a right, and guns create defense then there is a right to guns. Also for Americans the constitution. You also say the constitution is invalid as they used slavery, but do you consider the 1st amendment invalid? the 8th? the 5th? Or is it just the second because guns are scary. You claim the constitution is invalid, but only one part basically. If it is invalid then we are not allowed to speak freely, have no torture towards US citizens etc. So saying the constitution is invalid is basically pissing on the rights you and I enjoy.=conclusion= Guns have benefits and the right to self defense exists. Banning guns takes away their benefits and a right. Vote pro. sources:http://www.usnews.com... [1]http://www.realclearpolitics.com... [2]"More guns less crime" 1997 version [3]http://www.justfacts.com... [4]http://www.nraila.org... [5]http://www.armedfemalesofamerica.com... [6]http://www.rense.com... [7]"No guns for Jews" [8] (pro gun Jewish group looking into their history and gun control) http://gunssavelives.net... [9]http://www.leaa.org... [10]http://archive.newsmax.com... [11]My front sight firearms training institute instructor. [12]http://www.humanevents.com... [13]http://www.humanevents.com... [14]http://en.wikipedia.org... [15]http://www.a-human-right.com... [16]