Atheism is a Lie

So to summarize Con's thoughts on the matter of "He who judges the nations and the hearts of men", God has particular likes and dislikes. Adverse to sin, being holy. Scripture reveals such, practice in one's life confirms such aspects of God's preferences. God is adverse to sin and it is not only, verifiably true in life, it is logical to think so. Al these aspects I agree. 100 percent. However, first id like to point our posessing knowledge is separate from knowing the truth. One can know the truth, but not have the knowledge to pass it on to others. One is familiarity the other is evidence. I do not claim to posess knowledge that can be verified. But i do profess. Truth can be verified. Simply, I am not the one who can verify it for someone else. Tthat is what I call being honest. Each person must find truth on their own, or it is meaningless. Knowledge can be passed down like old trousers. i suppose i create confusion in an attempt to kill two birds with one stone, so that three seeds may find good soil to bear good fruit over the course of four seasons.. He who has ears let him hear. First, bird, "what about all those ppl who never heard about Jesus? Do they all goto hell?" Second bird. "What about all the contradictions in the bible?" One stone. "If God is God, he is God of us all, and judges us not based on the color of our skin or creed, but based on the tone of our character or soul." Seeds. The audience. Seasons. The major religions. This idea that God judges eveyone irrespective of their race or religion, brings up even more questions. But if accepted as true by christians and nonnchristians alike, it becomes logical. Because God could not have created only a part of humanity, if anything, he created us all. Or you have an antiquated notion of God. That didnt really create anything. Certainly not you or I. . Logic. Our antiquated notions of God are further refined by our understanding of his creation. logic. This does not mean we have fully grasped God's nature. Nor does it mean that God's nature is fully comprehensible. Here I would ask Con whether or not he believes scripture is the ONLY word of God. And if he thinks scripture is complete in its definition of God, or in the least in terms of God's "Preferences." I would argue that the bible itself is incomplete, inherently, fallible definitely, in providing a complete understanding of God. It is but a book. Written by men. However inspired. Replete with truth, however lacking in absolution of it. The bible will tell you there is a truth. But it does not tell you what the truth is. Most of its truths are disguised in allegorical symbolisms and parables. Thus, it is not readily interpretable to someone who does not already believe. And those who already believe..how do they come to know the truth? 10And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables? 11He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given. -Jesus clearly states that His parables contain the mysteries of heaven , there in. Yet still, how does one come to believe and know? Does one simply take Jesus' word for it? Does Jesus not provide us with confirmation? 1Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; 32And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. - yes. Jesus tells us that all we need to do is believe in Him continue on his WORD. So, whom or what shall i believe? Shall I believe Paul? Or Jesus? Shall I believe the bible or Jesus? Which is the word Of God ? The bible is the word of God? Oh yeah, Jesus is the Word and the Word made flesh! Where shall I turn to seek my Salvation? The scriptures? Or to Him that leadeth us to pasture? And how shall we further know, the mysteries and truth revealed to us is truly the truth, and not our delusion. Should we look to others? To confirm our modesty? Or shall we consider what the Lord has said. And He says; 15If ye love me, keep my commandments. 16And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; 17Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. 18I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you. 19Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also. 20At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you. 21He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him. -Jesus will confirm your faith, your evidence, your scripture and he will be your salvation. And he will manifest himself before you, so you are not only without excuse, but you are without doubt. Not without doubt that God exists or not. But Without doubt that Jesus shall lead the way to The Father, as one would not doubt if he had something he could call evidence. Albeit non scientific. Such as the manifestation of Jesus. In fact, hardly do I see someone come to faith, via scripture. However often do I see scripture confirm the faith they found through life and reason. Here it is important to distinguish faith in God and confirmation of that faith. The bible is generally seen as a confirmation in that it is often presented as "evidence." Alas, As even u correctly note it can only be valid in the eyes of the perceiver whom already possesses the intrinsic quality of faith. And upon faith one acquires fear of God and wisdom. Yet without it, one has no other alternative but to remain blind to the truth, given that Jesus has indeed truth to impart. The argument for philanthropy, modesty, altruism, and such are in the end acts pleasing to God. And when God is pleased, we may for a glimpse of a moment experience his presence and His divine light being manifest within us. This, does not require scripture. However, it does require faith and understanding. And it does require modesty. Derived from honesty as opposed to pretense. One must be true, to experience that which is true. You note scripture as presented readily conveys "God's behaviour, the fruits of his actions, and the logic of his patience." I would like to point out some key terms here. Fruits: meaning result or effect. Implying a cause and effect relationship, where logic demands primacy over scriptural passages. Even within the persona of God, one finds God immutable, unchanging, unbending, eternal and true, thus one would see God's patience as that which does not change and works accordance to predetermined laws , as if it were logical. because it is logical. And we have been given the ability to rationalize and be logical. This separates us (along with a superior capacity for love) from the animals we dominate. So in sum, what you claim my position is quite the opposite from what I hope to convey. Which is that ALL men have the ability to come to know God on their own terms. For that is the focal reasons for Jesus being sent among us. To let us know God is with each and everyone of us. And every mans heart is judged before God, though his actions are forgiven with little regard for severity. Even. A Murderer can repent and be saved. Alas. The road to that salvation is not the bible. Its not your priest. Or pastor. Or church that claims the bible is inerrant word of god. That is illogical. And goes against that which is God. Whom is perfect. God cannot be contained or defined by a book made by men. To think that he can, is blasphemy. No writer of any chapter in the new testament bible intended for their words to be regarded as such. Why? Because the bible is not the torah. It is not the LAW. Nor is the bible Jesus. It is not the Word. So there ya have it. The only way to be saved is through Jesus. The version you pick, is up to you. He is all of them and more. He is the son of God. Directly coming from Him whom made us all. What can be more logical? So my point is the bible is not contradictory. Its just not the word of God either. So of course contradictions can be found. In contradiction of that , never have I found the words of Jesus to be contradicted inthe same way. Contradiction assumes that there should be no contadiction. To assume such for God, greeat! To assume such for a book...eh...this is where I see people being led astray. From logic. And truth. So what about the peole that havent read the bible and therefore dont know about Jesus? Do they all goto hell? I believe just as much as the catholic church would have you believe you need the bible for salvation, they would also have you believe that anyone who does not accept the orthodox biblical version of Jesus, that person is barred from heaven as well. I find this highly illogical, only adding fuel to the atheist flames of blindness. 14I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine. 15As the Father knows me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep. 16And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd. - Jesus clearly says, he has sheep "not of this fold" that will also hear his voice. And them also he must bring. The question here is bring them where?!? Many Christian fundamentalists will say that this passage refers to becoming christian , jesus will bring them into the "fold" of christianity. Highly illogical. If they are his sheep, they are already part of his "fold" just not of that "fold". So where does he lead his "fold"? He could not mean he will lead a believer to be a believer. Where is he leading them? Into heaven. And in heaven , how will we not need to know Biblical facts. Only His Voice.