Morality comes from evolution processes in society, not from the biblical God, Yahweh.

It is not a hard concept to grasp, it is quick easy. What word can you form from the word "good"? G-O-D. Likewise what word can you form from devil? E-V-I-L. You get it? "I understand that the men that wrote the Constitution were deist and Christian but no mention to which god they were referring to, nor any mention of the Bible." What other God could they be referring too? You said you acknowledge they were Christians so what God could they refer too? Are you insinuating that their belief in a creator is different from the God of the Bible? Either way it doesn't make since because the whole point of leaving Europe was to escape religious persecution. They people who formed America were God-fearing men. To say that the western laws are not biblical is simply not true. The founding fathers had a belief in the God of the Bible. Here is something from Noah Webster the founding father of education : "If there is a possibility of founding a perfectly free government, and giving it permanent duration, it must be raised upon the pure maxims, and supported by the undecaying practice, of that religion, which breathes "peace on earth, and good will to men." That religion [Christianity] is perfectly republican . . . . it is calculated to humble the pride and allay the discontents of men. . . . It restrains the magistrate from oppression, and the subject from revolt . . . . it secures a perfect equality of rights, by enjoining a discharge of all social duties, and a strict subordination to law. The universal prevalence of that religion, in its true spirit, would banish tyranny from the earth". Alexis De Tocqueville who observed Democracy in America understood that religion is the road to knowledge. In 1829 he wrote a letter to James Madison, he said "that the christian religion, in its purity, is the basis or rather the source of all genuine freedom in government.. . . I am persuaded that no civil government of a republican form can exist & be durable, in which the principles of that religion have not a controlling influence." American constitution has origin in the British constitution. The British constitution had been founded on christian law. The bible was introduced to Britain in the 1st century. The fundamental act of our Founding, the Declaration of Independence, recognizes the Creator God as the Source of Rights; and acknowledges that the purpose of civil government is simply to "secure" the Rights God gave us. The Constitution we subsequently ratified was based on God"s model of civil government as set forth in the Bible. The blessing which flows from God"s model is limited civil government which is under The Law. That is why our Liberty Bell quotes Lev. 25:10 " "Proclaim LIBERTY throughout all the Land unto all the Inhabitants thereof." Civil authorities are under the law. God = The lawmaker and the kings were under his law Deut. 17:18-20; 1 Kings 2:1-4 It equates to the constitution. Constitution = Supreme law of the land. Our Constitution is the Standard by which the validity of all Acts of Congress, all acts of the Executive Branch, all judicial opinions, and all Treaties is measured and judged (Art. VI, cl. 2). Law comes from a higher source than the civil authorities. The "Rule of Law" prevails when the civil authorities obey that higher Law. I could give more examples of this, but I hope you understand. "I'm not too sure on the what Jesus is, I've been told that he is God but of course there is only one God but the Bible refers to Jesus as God's son. Because, God had that one night stand with that Mary chick. I know the options to forgiving mankind seems limited, but I'm sure an all-knowing God, would be able to think of a more moral way of forgiveness other than human sacrifice." This strongly suggests that you haven't even read the Bible. It also suggests that you regurgitate what other people say, but it all gets refuted. I've found that atheist constantly want to ask questions and assumptions but when given an answer they reject it. However, this debate is not about whether you believe Jesus is God's son or not, if you want a simple explanation just feel free to message me. The concept is not very hard to understand. The main problem is you equating God's existence to the human existence, which is a flaw from the start. Like I said just message me if you want to be informed. Just know when you make these claims be able to back them up because it is a Hitchens razor. If you want to assert this claim without any evidence then I can dismiss your claim without any evidence. Are you reading what I am typing? You constantly quote these Old testament verses even though they do not apply to the New Covenant. Since I don't think you are let me just copy and paste what I already typed to you. It's important to note that first of all the laws of the Old Testament are not bounded by us today. Those laws were for the nation of Israel and God's people. However, with that being said you have to know the history behind said verses. You cannot cherry-pick verses with knowing the context that they were given in. That's like me taking a recipe for cake and only reading one line and wondering why it didn't turn out to be a cake. Simply we are saved my Jesus' grace and we have a new covenant. We are under new laws to follow in the New Testament and the laws of the New Covenant are followed literally. The Mosaic laws were for God's people living in a theocracy not us today. With that being said even though they are not bound to us today; many of the commands of the Old Testament are easily refuted. Yes, it is a slave but not in today's term as slavery. Slavery as I explained was NOT the same as slavery here in America. People sold themselves in slavery as a way to pay off debt. Even people with high paying jobs sold themselves into slavery to pay off debt. Slavery has been a fact of human existence for almost as long as the human race has been in existence. Physical punishment to enforce compliance has been part of slavery for just as long. Corporal punishment has also been used in situations other than slavery. The Bible does not forbid slavery, nor does it demand that every slave owner who wants to please God must immediately emancipate his slaves. Instead, the Bible at every turn calls for a treatment of slaves that would have been more humane than any found in the culture at large. The very idea that a master could be punished in any way for killing a slave would have been scandalous at the time Moses gave the Law. The purpose of the Bible is to point the way to salvation, not to reform society. In addition, both the Old and New Testaments condemn the practice of "man-stealing," which is what happened in Africa in the 19th century. Africans were rounded up by slave-hunters, who sold them to slave-traders, who brought them to the New World to work on plantations and farms. This practice is abhorrent to God. When the authors of the Hebrew and Christian Scriptures (a.k.a. Old and New Testaments) were alive, slavery was a perfectly normal and expected social institution. New Testament writers addressed underlying attitudes regarding slavery: Christian masters called Christian slaves "brothers" or "sisters." The New Testament commanded masters to show compassion, justice, and patience. Their position as master meant responsibility and service, not oppression and privilege. Thus, the worm was already in the wood for altering social structures. God didn't murder people because he does not do that. God instructs people and nations to carry out his bidding. I addressed this particular comment on another debate. What he did was not wrong. Unlike us, God knows the future. God knew what the results would be if Israel did not completely eradicate the Amalekites. If Israel did not carry out God"s orders, the Amalekites would come back to trouble the Israelites in the future. Saul claimed to have killed everyone but the Amalekite king Agag (1 Samuel 15:20). Obviously, Saul was lying"just a couple of decades later, there were enough Amalekites to take David and his men"s families captive (1 Samuel 30:1-2). After David and his men attacked the Amalekites and rescued their families, 400 Amalekites escaped. If Saul had fulfilled what God had commanded him, this never would have occurred. Several hundred years later, a descendant of Agag, Haman, tried to have the entire Jewish people exterminated (see the book of Esther). So, Saul"s incomplete obedience almost resulted in Israel"s destruction. God knew this would occur, so He ordered the extermination of the Amalekites ahead of time. You haven't addressed what I stated directly prior. All you said is that God is immoral which I refuted your claims. My claims remains. If there is no God what basis do we have for moral values? If there is no God we cannot be morally accountable for our actions. The reason we have intuition is because of God's will instilled in our minds.