The Star Trek mirror universe federation is at least as bad as Star Wars' Empire

"True; the death star is a one shot kill; but it also takes way more resources and power to use. In other words there is a limited number that can be constructed even with a galaxy of resources. Then there is also the fact that it is overkill. Sure they can destroy a planet; but destroying the surface of a planet is just as effective. Either way the civilization living there will never be able to return so the constitution class could be said to inspire a fairly equal fear level. "Even though it takes more resources for the Death Star to be constructed and used, the fact remains that Palpatine has far more resources. Furthermore, the number of Constitution ships are also limited by the number of raw materials and even more limited by the number of people it has to man them. Palpatine has countless soldiers to man his many ships and his Death Star all of which are easily replaceable and completely obedient. The Constitution ships will also fail to produce the same fear level that the Death Star can because, as I said at the end of the previous round, the Death Star is akin to the atom bomb while a bombardment from Constitution vessels, which also have to get closer to their target to hit it, is similar to the slow firebombing of Japan in WWII. We firebombed countless Japanese cities and they didn't surrender, we used just two atom bombs and they acquiesced to US military dominance. As to the exhaust port, yes it's a vulnerability, assuming you have time to reach it before your planet/moon is destroyed and the entire imperial fleet takes off for the next planet. "However those ships have to be within a relatively narrow beam width; an area that shouldn't be to difficult to avoid. "Even if it is narrow, the fact that every vessel that was targeted in "Return of the Jedi" was hit and destroyed means that avoiding the beam is not as easy as one may guess. Also, the beam itself is relatively wide with the tributary beams being from 25 m to .5km in diameter (. http://www.st-v-sw.net...). "One should also remember that Empire ships are much easier to destroy;"While star destroyers may be easier to destroy, they do have numbers on their side and this is the empire's advantage. Ants for example are extremely easy to kill by the hundreds each day, but their numbers not only ensure their survival but that they thrive. There comes a point when quantity outweighs the shortcomings of vulnerability. "Actually it was destroyed because of a design flaw exploited by the Rebellion. "Perhaps that was the apparent reason, however, if Tarkin had destroyed the gas giant first, he would have had more time to destroy the rebel base and move the fleet off before the Rebellion had a chance to exploit that exhaust port. "While it is true that the Empire has a more stable command structure, the Terran Empire has still been shown to be quite successful in enslaving worlds as evidenced by their history. "Quite effective, but not as effective as the Empire. "Since we are talking about the 23rd century Terran Empire, the composition of the crews in the 22nd century is irrelevant. In the Original Series episode Mirror, Mirror; it is actually shown that the crews of ships seem to have voluntarily chosen to become crew members to support the Terran Empire. "The fact still remains that should the Terran Empire enter into a single protracted conflict, as they had in "In a Mirror Darkly," or even a series of small ones, they would be stretched extremely thinly and would be less able to hold power within their own borders, let alone those they are conflicting with, than the Empire would with its galaxy of resources and virtually infinite number of soldiers. "While it is true that they seem to have an inability to innovate they also try to steal any technology more advanced then their own. With their shields and formidable firepower they should be quite successful in many circumstances at stealing ships and technology, and integrating it into their fleet making them still quite formidable. If they don't have the technology they need, they'd just find someone elswe with that technology and steal it. "If the Terran Empire was that successful at stealing and integrating technology into their military, then they still should have advanced beyond the Constitution ships in the century they had to conquer countless species with their unprecedented new advantage, yet, they failed to even conquer the Klingons and Cardassians of the time. Also, the reason the Constitution ship was so easy to integrate was because it was of human design and likely more intuitive than something that would have been designed by the Andorians or Orions for example. CONCLUSIONI shall also use my opponent's rating system as a final focus for this debate. I agree with my opponent's fear and cruelty ratings. DESTRUCTIVENESSGalactic Empire: The Empire has the ability to destroy entire planets, moons, and ships in seconds as well as send in tens of millions of completely obedient and easily replaceable clones to not only kill but also occupy and the Empire has the same capacity to destroy only the surface of a planet as the Terran Empire does due to the sheer size of its military while its vast fleet of TIE fighters prove to be useful in space combat both due to numbers and maneuverability. This gives the Empire a 10. Terran Empire: The Terran Empire has the ability to destroy the surface of a planet and has well shielded vessels that are, due to inertia, less maneuverable than TIE fighters but more maneuverable than star destroyers making them less vulnerable to attack. However these vessels are less numerous due to the resource limitations of the Terran Empire which only occupies a portion of the Alpha Quadrant and their inability to clone their soldiers. The Terran Empire gets 8. THREAT LEVELGalactic Empire: The Empire has a vast military that can easily and rapidly be grown or replaced. It also has an extremely stable command structure making it a very efficient conqueror. It also has the ability to rapidly advance its technology giving it the technological edge. The Empire gets 9. Terran Empire: The Terran Empire has a limited military that can be easily strained by prolonged conflict or multiple small conflicts. Its unstable command structure and culture make it less able to conquer and oppress civilizations. The Terran Empire also lacks the ability to rapidly advance its technology reducing its technological edge as compared with other civilizations. The Terran Empire gets 7.