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Anime music is a bad joke

Before I address con's points in this final round, I will first give some considerations about this debate. If this debate was to be judged naturally, I believe that it would be pretty consensual that my arguments maintained more integrity than con's. That is due to the fact that there were many points that I've addressed that con simply abandoned, such as his defense of the position that anime music was just as repetitive as any music was, or sentimental. I addressed that on round 3 and con simply abandoned that defense from then on. The same happened when he said that I was unable to prove that all anime music was a bad joke, but I addressed that on round 4 and it's all gone as well. All this say that my arguments were more concise, and I said from the very beginning that my argumentation would form itself solely on the 3 points I talked about. None of them were abandoned and I managed to reply many, if not all, of con's counter arguments that came from multiple directions. Also, what con is saying in the round 4 could have pretty much have been said at the round 2, but it's almost like all con was doing was to retreat and try to buy time. I maintained the upper hand. Saying very constantly that all your opponent does is express opinions is not very constructive either. Con is asking questions like what makes one music aspect better than another, but the fact is that if we have at one hand one aspect which is obvious and unpromising for artistic creation and at the other we have one that provides interest and different territories, then there's no other way to go than to simply consider the second one to be better. Any art is about delving into different territories rather than keep doing the same thing over and over again. Con says that if I was right everyone would know that, but that's fallacious and far from the point of a debate. Instead, I ask con, does anime music has any relevance when you look at the story of music? Or is it's just mentioned on a little part and that's all there is? Also, con seems to find reluctance in accepting that nocturnes and sonatinas are better than the structure used for animes, but the point again is that due to the fact that nocturnes and sonatinas have more development and contrasting sections, they allow better freedom of creation, whereas anime structure is way more limited. Even though con says that each genre/structure has good songs and bad songs, he seems to forget to say that there are also good structures and bad structures. I never wanted anime music to be like Beethoven or Mozart, as con claims. That was never the point, and if there's something I want of anime music is for it to get out of the very restrictive rules it is in. Last but not least, even though I consider myself to have won, the decision is up to the voters and I wish they choose with good reasons. And I thank con for the debate.
Anime music is a bad joke

Thanks for your quick response"Hmmm let"s see now. I don"t know where my opponent is going with this but he claims that you can judge music to be a bad joke or not based on rhythm and harmony"s etc. This is obvious because anybody can do this with opinions. However what are you going to judge it based on? What makes one harmony better than the other? Or as I have been saying what makes one genre better than another? An opinion and this is what my opponent"s arguments are based on. You seem to be saying "since anime music sounds nothing like Mozart or Beethoven it should not be considered music and instead a bad joke". As I have been saying and as the definitions show there are quite noticeable differences in both the style rhythm and form of all genres of music including anime. This creates variety and gives people with preference the right music that they want to listen to. BASED ON OPINION. OK there the truth comes and in the second paragraph you clearly see what my opponent is saying is "Good music". This being sonatas and nocturnes. This shows what my opponent prefers and shows that it is his own opinion what is good and what is bad. I claim that all music is good and serves a purpose while my opponent says all other music is ok, but classical music is the best and anime music is a bad joke. Well you really need to address why anime music is a bad joke besides your own opinions and with fact based research. The burden of proof lies on you so all I have to do to win is rebut your claims successfully. You"re challenging anime music because you dislike it. However if it really was a bad joke this debate wouldn"t be happening and everyone would realize what you said is true. Anime music is just another genre. Filled with good songs and bad songs. However in my opinion I believe all music serves a purpose and all music has a good side. Anime music is not a bad joke. I have been studying music for 10 years now. I compete in singing in the Fine Arts Festivals and have won awards every year including provincial recommendation and in one provincial I earned a national recommendation. I am also fluently trained in violin (won awards for fiddle), baritone and I play banjo and guitar and some piano. I know my music. I also know that music comes in all forms and styles. I know when music is not music I also know that music is a way of life for those that do preform. Anime is not a bad joke or else it would not be considered music at all. However it is and it is only an opinion to state why one genre of music is worse than another. I would like to hear a specific song and specific reason why you would find a song or songs ugly. In conclusion" My opponent"s opinion is still all I see. There are no sources, no specific songs and no definitions. All I see is a group of arguments based on an opinion and I see not one fact based arguments. I wish to see more in the next round.
Anime music is a bad joke

First of all, con is saying that we cannot compare different genres of music, but that's not true. Even though each style is labeled as different, you can apply the same methods for analyzing them (you can analyze the harmony, you can analyze the musical motifs, you can analyze the counterpoint, you can analyze the rhythm, you can also the forms of the music, etc...). Also, one thing that is very noticeable for musical theorists is that a bleeding chunk of nowaday composers get the harmony and textures of their music from classical music, regardless of the genre. So while at first glance each genre may look pretty different, the way they operate is not so different. Anyone familiar with this discussion may also be familiar with the composer Gershwin quote: "From any sound critical standpoint, labels mean nothing at all. Good music is good music, even if you call it "oysters" Con also said that I didn't give examples of why anime musics has a musical structure that is far from one that "contains good development and contrasting sections", yet I listed on the previous round that nocturnes and sonatinas are examples of musical structures with good development and contrasting sections. If it's necessary, listen to Chopin nocturne op 9 n 2, Beethoven sonatina in G, compare it to any anime music and see the difference between these textures. Then, Con reinforced that I cannot prove that all anime musics are bad no matter what, yet what I am doing here is challenging the form which anime music is written, which pretty much englobes all anime music. Con's point could have been pertinent if I was trying to prove my point by picking off anime musics one by one, but that's not the case here. Con then says that it's useless for me to compare anime music to the romantic period because they are different genres, but I already pointed out that it's not case, as you can print musical sheets of both and analyse them naturally. And also, con is making a mistake when he is saying that I said that music should have remained private, because all I did in that matter was to state that musical was private in the classical period and that the romantic period changed that. I didn't say anywhere that music should have remained private and I even put quotation marks on the word "smart" when I said that music on the classical period was only for the "smart" (see?). Anyways, what all this history leads to is the fact that the romantic music worked pretty well for the musical illiterate of the time, so it's rather useless to think that anime music, with way more limited resources, is like that to be easy to understand for the musical illiterate. "Pro says my definition is not fitting to all music. The definition I gave fits all music", that's not the case as con's definition says that music is supposed to produce beauty of form, harmony and express emotions, while many modern classical musics were made to sound ugly.
Anime music is a bad joke

Con said constantly that what I was doing mostly was to just show my opinion, but that's a bit far from the case since my view comes much more from musical knowledge than by simply thinking something is bad. The fact that Con says that anime music is repetitive just like any other music is can be regarded as rather misconceptive on the argument, because I said that the starting point for my argumentation was to compare anime music to other styles of music and see the main points that distinguishes them. To illustrate better, I will mention the fact that very often people say that the music of Philip Glass is repetitive. The basis for saying that his music is repetitive doesn't come from the fact that they are listening to music for the first time, but because they subconsciously compared his music with others and came to that verdict. Though I do have to admit that it would have been more correct to use the term "way more repetitive", that's still a rather trivial point to dig at in this discussion. If I said Anime is repetitive it's because it's musical structure is far from one which contains good development and contrasting sections, such as nocturnes or sonatinas (just to present some structures that are relatively short). Furthermore, con claims that anime music sounds robotic because it is supposed to be like it (by the definition on the dictionary), but the fact is that this isn't relevant either, because the point of my argumentation is to judge anime music by solely comparing it to other styles of music. This is a discussion of music itself. The problems I proposed for the roboticness in anime music was that it doesn't allow plenty of room to rhythmic deepness just as if feels out of place due to the "sentimentality", which I will address next. My claim that anime music is linked with either trying to be sentimental or being sentimental is far from being an opinion due to the fact that it's characteristic of having a pretty expressive melody is directly linked to the romantic period of music, which returned the music to the hands of the general public of the period by doing that, much opposed to the music of the classical period, which was more contrived and had more economy of resources, which was, in a way, music for "smart" people at then. The problem of anime music trying to follow the path of the romantic period is that the anime musical form is just too restrictive to get into the quality that many romantic musics got by having freer time and more spontaneity. Also, the definition that con gave on music is highly questionable when you start to look at classical music of the 20th century, but even if we take it, con is doing again what I addressed in the first paragraph, which is to say that anime music is as sentimental as any other music is. That's far from the point again, as the starting point of my argumentation is by comparing anime directly to other styles.
Anime music is a bad joke

Now is the time to negate I see. Let's get down to it shall we? I now understand your definition, now it is starting to look like this is just an opinion. However I will treat it as a debate and will respond debate style. You make the claim that Anime music in general (no examples given) is repetitive. Not only can this be consensual to anime music this is consensual to all music. Every genre of music will contain some form of repetition. From songs like "Amazing Grace" to "Smoke on the Water". https://en.wikipedia.org...(music) "Anime music has strict timing." This is certainly your own opinion as you then say it "sounds robotic" because there is no deep tones or low drums. To figure out why anime sounds robotic you must figure out the meaning of the word anime. Anime is Japanese for "animation". http://dictionary.reference.com... Animation: the manipulation of electronic images by means of a computer in order to create moving images. https://www.google.ca... So if anime is made to accompany manipulated moving objects it makes sense that the music would sound robotic. You than claim anime music is very sentimental. Again your own opinion. One person may find raising puppies to be sentimental and another would find it as too much work and not worth the time. What you are saying now cannot be applied to all anime music. IT doesn't matter how you feel when listening to them because everybody may feel differently. You claim that they seem to want to touch all of our hearts. Let's define music shall we? Music: vocal or instrumental sounds (or both) combined in such a way as to produce beauty of form, harmony, and expression of emotion. https://www.google.ca... That last part in the definition "Expression of emotion" That seems to explain why the song would make us react. Why any song would cause a reaction. OK I have yet too see some solid reasons why everybody should come to realize why anime music is a bad joke. I believe there are some that might be bad however all music genres have disastrous songs. However since you had your opinions I say mine. I like anime music because it is inspiring, meaningful, and well put together. In conclusion... I have argued pro's contentions and I look forward to more.
Anime music is a bad joke

Alright, thanks to con for joining. First of all, just to it make clear, by "bad joke" I refer to "something that is bad and isn't funny for being bad". Naturally there are bad musics and good musics, but just because you stumble into a bad one it doesn't necessarily mean that you just lost time listening to it, because they can be bad in a hilarious way, like - for example - many metal bands which pretend to be super violent but end up just sounding weird and hilarious (they are funny at least to me!). So when I say that anime is a bad joke, I'm for the notion that it's just uninteresting, bleak and disappointing. If we were to compare anime music from other styles of music (classical, jazz, rock, pop, etc...), I would say that in the end we would get into some general consensus regarding of the characteristics of anime music. I will list 3 which I consider the most important ones and my argument will form from that. 1: Anime music is repetitive. That is pretty consensual for anime music and it could be ok, but since the musical structure of anime music is overly simple, you will always end up noticing in it is repetitive (in a bad way), which is the problem. 2: Anime music has a strict timing. Pretty consensual as well and could be could be ok as well, but there's no rhythmic deepness to prevent it from sounding robotic. There are many jazz/rock musics which follow the metronome strictly and doesn't sound robotic, mostly because of the battery guy there providing and twisting the rhythm in many different ways. So once again, it all comes to how the resource is used, and anime music fails again. 3: Anime Music music tries to be/is very sentimental. I will address it's consensuality shortly. Even though my previous points should refute that one already (sorry, but very sentimental music is much more linked to improvisation and spontaneity than it is to strict tempo rules and repetitiveness), I still call attention to the fact that it is very fallacious to try to make a very sentimental music when the rhythm and musical texture go to the opposite way. And of course, the harmonic language is far from rich to provide especial feelings. Also I want to make clear that I am taking that anime music tries to be very sentimental due to the fact that way too often it has a very evident and expressive melody, which is a rather clear indication that whoever composed it was wanting to directly touch hearts with the music, so that is why I put it as consensual as well. I base my position in these 3 points and I consider them to sufficiently prove that anime music is a bad joke. Since the character limit I put is rather low (and I regret that now), Con can address my points on different rounds if he wants. The debate has 5 rounds so there's still some space in it.
Does god exist

Im glad you accepted this debate, about this important subject I see you're in for a good debate. Im going to arguing for the god of Christianity, but obviously, you can't prove a religion scientifically. So ill be defending the scientific arguments and the historical argument. 1. The big bang: You compared our ignorance about what caused the big bang with the ignorance of primitive islanders about volcanoes. There's a big difference here, the primitive islanders don't know anything about the volcanoes, also its not transcendent. As I mentioned in my opening statement, its not god of the gaps. We know that the universe had a beginning We know time and space had a beginning We know that material things had a beginning We know the universe came from nothing. We know all this, but we don't know what caused it, as you argue, and as all scientists say. When you're taking out time and space, you're taking out time and space, you're taking out the roam of existence itself. Except for a timeless and spaceless being aka God. Before the big bang there was no time, so there is no time for anything to create the universe in. Also, suppose that something caused the big bang, that this cause must also have a cause, and the cause of the cause must also have a cause, and so on and so forth, you would get an infinite numbers of past events which is impossible, but a timeless uncaused being aka God doesn't need a cause. Also, the cause must be immaterial because it created material things. Its not an argument from ignorance at all. 2. Argument from evolution. You said "something is unlikely therefore it must be designed" Well, it's not just unlikely, its crazy unlikely "The number 1060, if written out, would be "one" followed by sixty "zeros." In other words, the chance that a 200-component organism could be formed by mutation and natural selection is less than one chance out of a trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion." "4^-180^110 000 and 4^-380^110 000. (Barrow
Should Illinois impose tougher vehicle emission laws

Not just that but do we as citizens take the government seriously no none of us do we just pass on by and if u stand up and try to convince amnericans that we need to do something 90% wont listen and thats the thing we spend time and time trying to make things better but its just not that easy and your right at somepoint but we have tried so many things to help and people seem to say there to busy to recycle their to busy for this for that well thats not a good enough excuse because you go around saying your to busy to take to time and fix ourchildrens future are grandchildrens future because of your ignorance that is definetly unnecceptable and very dissapointing
Should Illinois impose tougher vehicle emission laws

To stop global warming we need to do something. And we need to do it now. Some people may not follow this law, just as any. But, some will: and that is all that matters. And, how can we possibly expect to do anything, if we don't start somewhere. These laws aren't tough enough, but we need to make it a slow transition. We can't just jump right in, no one can cope quickly enough. And eventually, they will become tougher.Just as they need to be. There is no way the government could pass off 'tougher' laws so quickly.
Should Illinois impose tougher vehicle emission laws

Everytime you turn around are state or countries are making foolish laws to cover up the deception of our leaders, I am not saying that making stricter laws are foolish but im saying why should we make tougher emmision laws when us Americans dont even follow the simple laws such as: No litering etc... when you turn around there's trash on the streets. So why should we believe that Americans would stop there ignorance and follow these rules. What im trying to say is why is are government wasting their time trying to make more laws on top of the other it makes no sense and it seems very complicated they drip sweat for another fellow citizen to dissobey them all we do is stress them out more and make their confidence down, and that makes it hard to run our country.challenges are for the better but not in this situation people cause global warming and it seems like the government isnt doing anything about it. We walk around prevaricating and turn around and try to cover it up. humans think "why is he/she driving around in that car its so passe our universe is caste'd and were not fixing it.
The Legend of Zelda is Nintendo's best IP

Since my opponent has not defined "IP", I will define it for you:As described by Wikipedia(yes, i know):"An Internet Protocol address (IP address) is a numerical label assigned to each device (e. g. , computer, printer) participating in a computer network that uses the Internet Protocol for communication. An IP address serves two principal functions: host or network interface identification and location addressing. Its role has been characterized as follows: "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how to get there. " Due to the fact that The Legend of Zelda is not an IP adress, the PRO cannot uphold its arguement.
vi_spex is a time traveller from the future

Wow. That was a bunch of nonsense and you know it. __Rebuttals:"You are not from the future. In the future, everyone talks like this. Right now, grammar is there. In the future, people are free from grammar and sentence-structure..."I hate to break it to you, but YOU ARE NOT FROM THE FUTURE EITHER. You don't know vi_spex any more than the rest of us. Stop making random assumptions about him and the future. "He can't explain them. Future vocabulary is also very low, and he doesn't want others to think he is insane and that he is from the future.Everyone would kill him or kidnap him for his power."First of all, you don't know that future vocabulary is very low. Besides, we are suppose to evolve to become smarter and not more stupid that we can't even use basic communication. I'm not even going to try to refute the part on vi_spex not wanting us to think he is insane etc. You don't know vi_spex so stop making him sound like a victim of mental illness.__Conclusion:I'm going to end this now because I'm sure the readers/voters are probably sick of this meaningless debate. 1. You seem to think you're doing vi_spex a favour but in fact, I think you're actually really insulting and embarrassing him. You're accusing vi_spex of causing WWI and WWII, and making him sound like an ambitious maniac. Perhaps you owe him an apology?2. You did not provide any proof of anything you said (about the future etc.) and I am not going to go through every single sentence to point it out each time. Thank you everyone for reading.