' Life is cruel, and unnecessary , by our own definition of same '

If I come across as hostile during our interaction, it is not to be viewed as personal, but rather as an indication of frustration. What frustrates me most is the argument that you present and the apologetic way that you do it. I referred to this as a form of religious stoicism in comments to vi-spex earlier. Where is Alexander conquering the world, where is the French Revolution, where is . .. .. .. the Internet. Let me just list some of your 'sheepish ways'. 'And another word for an accident is a miracle':hfordney. / Since when? 'Sometimes animals live in families for instance, especially mammals, and have an instinct to not harm each other'. :hfordney/ read about the history of torture on Wik, humans are mammals. I was reading about 'the Wheel' yesterday. It would make you sick. How can humans collectively do these things to each other for expedience. 'Well, there certainly is hurt and degradation. I think it can be made into something though. Can't we use it as a basis from which to improve? ':hfordney/ No we can't, don't you think that we would have done this by now. Why is Russia dropping bombs on Syria today, did you know this for example. .. .. .. .. .. .. By the time the United States ended its Southeast Asian (Vietnam) bombing campaigns, the total tonnage of ordnance dropped approximately tripled the totals for World War II. The Indochinese bombings amounted to 7,662,000 tons of explosives, compared to 2,150,000 tons in the world conflict. [ 'Altogether, life is what we make it. 'hfordney /Nope! Then you resort to yet more platitudes. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. 'If you're struggling with keeping a positive mindset, I wish you good luck. 'hfordney 'Let me say that it's obvious that you're a bit demoralized about something and it's affected your attitude to life and the world. That's ok, I've been through that. I'm here to say that there is hope and places for celebration about life. 'hfordney /(Thanks, but the last thing I need is do-good evangelism, history has had its share of this)At the end of the day, you make some good points. You say that I am making a 'value judgement' on all of this. You say that I have not experienced 'celestial silence', you say that my appraisal of life is 'subjective' and influenced. There is a case for accepting this sort of 'get on with it' logic. That is what I am doing anyway. All I want is acceptance of the fact that the essence of life on this earth is, struggle, pain, misery, degradation and failure. I want you to either tell me that there is a logical reason for this torture and that it has a purpose to it. If it is without purpose then it is 'unnecessary'. People often think that things are getting better and that we 'are sorting things out' Is that what you think? . Look at the TV listings for the average household nowadays, ie popular culture. Gone are the days of the Waltons and The Fonz. Here are things that I find 'objectionable' to a point of them being flirtations with evil,IMHO. .. .Game of Thrones, Castle, Taggart, Morse, Midsummer Murders, The Mentalist, Law and Order Special Victims Unit, Bad Girls, Criminal Minds. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. sure these people are 'getting better' towards a wonderful future clarity. Just accept that I am correct in stating that the worlds absence would be a positive in the celestial space where it now resides. You will be ill if you look at the worst things in life,,trust me, but tell me what is the counterbalance of good for these things, with conviction Please! (ps: do better than this)'People donating their fortunes to charity. People building schools out of the goodness of their hearts. Hard working people earning the success they never believed they would have in their wildest dreams. 'hfordney