Whitebeard vs. Madara

Thanks to my opponent for his excellent final round argument! Let's jump straight into it. .. R1) Whitebeard's ConditionPro denies that the rules create an impossibility, saying that "It simply means we don't know what WB would be fully capable of. .. Con may object to this, saying it is unfair, yet we don't even know what sick WB was fully capable of, as he was holding back for the sake of his crew mates"But we can still infer what WB's full power (while sick) is like from the instances in which he does come close to going all out (i. e. his battle with Akainu after Ace died). However, we have NEVER seen WB fight when he wasn't sick, so speculating on what he could do in his prime enables Pro to evade practically ALL my points about WB's weaknesses simply by saying "he was sick". It is clear that my interpretation of the rules is more logical: at the time of this battle, WB would appear just as he did right at the beginning of the Marineford Arc, health problems and all. None of Pro's rebuttals that involve WB's sickness can be considered valid. R2) Chakra"Since round 3, I've asked Con to back up his statements that Madara has better stamina than WB. .. I am the only one to provide feats of endurance for WB, and it is clear that he is superior in this matter. "Yes, I did drop those contentions, but that does not necessarily mean I conceded that those superiorities give WB a significant advantage over Madara. .. Madara's huge chakra and Susanoo can still serve as compensations for his disadvantages in terms of physical stamina and endurance, respectivvely. Pro's main rebuttal to my point about WB's lack of Observation Haki was "sickness", and will be appropriately ignored. WB's observation haki has degenerated to the point that it would NOT pose a significant advantage over Madara. R3) Martial Arts SkillUnfortunately, I have made a mistake concerning the rank of the marines blown away by WB. But even so, this example does not even support WB having any sort of martial arts "skill"; it only supports the superiority of his brute physical strength, which I have not even attempted to contest. Pro has not actually provided proof that WB has more martial arts skill than Madara. Madara clearly is a more agile and skillful master of the martial arts (taijutsu) than WB. R4) Speed". .. he wouldn't have moved toward them until Ace got killed"Substantial time passed between the moment of Ace's death and WB's apprehending of Akainu. ". .. the fact that he was able to move his fists faster than Akainu can react is still a testament to his speed. "Being able to throw a fast punch is very different from being able to move your body over long distances at superhuman speeds. "Kizaru was able to turn into light faster than Luffy could react, yet WB was able to react and move fast enough to stop Kizaru turning into light. "Again, Pro is making the conclusion that WB has superhuman speed and reflexes based on nothing more than a lack of information. WB could have already been fighting Kizaru. WB could have already been keeping an eye on Kizaru. There are so many explanations more likely than WB suddenly gaining super-speed and super-reflexes despite never having shown that ability before. "WB wasn't just able to fight against the admirals and vice admirals, but he was able to keep up with them"I'm failing to see how the two are different. .. unless the Admirals were trying to run away or something, which they weren't. "Even if what Con claims is true, then he can use those same methods to keep up with Madara, who is not as fast as the admirals or vice admirals. "Pro is committing the fallacy of assuming his own conclusion to make a point. He is already assuming that Madara is weaker than the Admirals while WB is stronger than them and then building his argument off that assumption. "It should be noted that, unlike myself, Con has never given any evidence for how fast Madara is. "I did, actually. It is evident in many of the manga page scans I provided, most notably the ones from his battle with Hashirama. Madara consistently displays speed throughout all his battles, whereas WB does NOT. On that note, it should ALSO be noted that Pro has not shown even ONE instance of WB actually taking advantage of his supposed super human speed in battle, instead citing random instances in which WB was able to throw a quick punch. There is virtually NO doubt that Madara is much faster than WB. R5) JutsuElemental Jutsu: "Here, [WB] will only have to deal with one enemy and far less projectiles, so he will not get hit"1. Many of Madara's jutsu are not projectiles2. WB has gotten hit even when he was only dealing with a single enemy at a time (e. g. Akainu)Levitation: "How would Madara be able to get out of the way? He would have nowhere to fly, as the quakes can travel in multiple directions, and they are too fast for him to fly away from. "WB's earthquakes don't go in ALL directions. .. they can go in more than one direction, but not ALL directions at once. Madara can use his intelligence to locate a safe zone and go there while WB is getting into his trademark pose. Clones:"If he uses multiple clones and then makes them use Susano'o, he will quickly deplete his chakra levels. ". .. I only mentioned Susanoo as an example to prove that Madara's clones are CAPABLE of using strong jutsu. Madara can make the judgement call based on how much chakra he has to decide which jutsu his clones should use how and when. Amaterasu: Pro's points concerning WB's ability to dodge and the difficulty of avoiding WB's quakes have already been debunked. And WB's armament haki will only delay the burning. Amaterasu would certainly eventually cause substantial harm to WB. Susanoo / Regeneration / Deva Path :"Madara barely uses the Deva Path to begin with. There's nothing to suggest that he'd do so in this fight, unless he was significantly damaged and realized that WB was a very powerful opponent. At that point, of course, it'd be too late. "Baseless assertion. It really doesn't take all that long for someone to recognize WB as a powerful opponent. Just his appearance would put anyone on guard! "It's even more questionable if Madara will use all 3 powers in conjuction with one another, as he has never shown anything of this sort. "Madara is a brilliant tactician. Why wouldn't he be able to devise such a move? Especially since it seems to be one of the only ways of avoiding harm from WB's quakes. .. "If he did, however, it'd probably quickly deplete his chakra supplies. "And that is where Madara's enormous chakra comes into play :)"Even if they were used all together, it's questionable if it'd be enough to stop WB's quakes. .. it's clear that WB's power far surpasses anything either of them has shown. "Susanoo is known to make the user nearly invincible in the Naruto Universe; it alone could absorb a good amount of the shock from WB's earthquakes. Deva Path can be used to completely destroy a city. Regeneration can completely heal a person after taking a direct hit from a very powerful jutsu. To suggest that not even a combination of the three would be capable of neutralizing the effects of one of WB's earthquakes is just wishful thinking on Pro's part. "Of course, WB could simply spam his quakes on Madara, quickly breaking anything he has. "WB takes a while to create each earthquake, even when he's in a rage (see Akainu battle); it is very unlikely that he even has the ABILITY to "spam his quakes". Madara's huge variety of powerful jutsu give him a huge offensive advantage, as well as a potential defense against WB's earthquakes. R6) Intelligence Pro's response here is very blatantly inadequate. He just makes a weak attempt at making his example of WB's tact seem more impressive. Madara's displays of impromptu battlefield tact are much more frequent and innovative than those of WB. Madara is almost certainly significantly more intelligent than WB. .Extend last round's conclusions.