Safestanding should be introduced at Premier League Grounds

Thank you for your reasoned response.You seem to be confused with what I am 'arguing for'. I am, as I previously stated, arguing for the introduction of Safestanding areas in Premier League grounds (should the inidividual clubs take advantage of this and choose to introduce it is up to them). In order for this to happen, there must be a change in the law which states all stadiums in the Premier League must be all-seater stadiums, as the SafeStanding model is technically viewed as terracing (although it is vastly different to the true sense of the word).I will now address your points."If people wanted to stand, but the safe standing areas were full, they would just stand in the seated areas... If people who choose to go to the seated section decide to stand-up, they will stand"1.) First of all you state that fans will stand in the seated areas if the safestanding areas were full. This is quite simply, wrong.The problem with this is that typically the SafeStanding section of the stadium would count for around 15-20% of the total capacity. The number of people that would wish to stand throughout the game themselves is still very much a minority, and if these sections were filled, then the number of fans wishing to stand who missed out on tickets for this section would be very small. In order for a section of the ground to stand up, there has to be an overwhelming majority of fans in that section who wish to stand - and as the overwhelming majority of fans will be in the SafeStanding section, then standing in the seated areas would not take place. You seem to believe that if a few people decide to stand up at the front of the stand, then an entire domino effect will follow. This is also untrue. If a few fans attempt to stand throughout the game in a passive area, then they will either be thrown out by the stewards, or forced to sit down.Standing in seated areas only occurs when there is a overwhelming majority, as the authorities cannot combat this majority.If SafeStanding was introduced then there would no longer be a majority of 'standers' in any section, as they will be in the Safestanding section.2.) I am unsure why you are bringing up temporary standing, due to moments of excitement. These currently occur in all seated areas anyway, however the fans sit back down when the excitement has passed. SafeStanding would not have any effect on this whatsoever.Putting in rail seats, which is what I understand you to want, would only be installing physical structures for safety. At Hillsborough the physical structures designed for safety, the separate pens, didn’t work because the regulations on how they were to be used, the capacity limits, weren’t enforced.3.) My retort to this is quite simple, modern stadiums cannot be over capacity due to electronic turnstiles, with a fixed capacity.A crush cannot occur as there are no barriers to prevent fans from spilling on the pitch, combined with the fact rows cannot 'topple like dominos' onto each other due to barriers being between rows. People will continue to act more and more foolishly until they find a way to get hurt in the presence of the same physical structure that kept the original fools safe. 4.) Could you define how A.) People could act in a foolish manner which could hurt a number of people B.) How this could occur in a SafeStanding section. As the only serious risk associated with standing at football matches is getting 'crushed', and this could not occur in a Safestanding section. Could you also distinguish between why people will suddenly act 'foolish' in SafeStanding sections when they don't (as a whole) act foolishly when standing in seated areas. SafeStanding will reduce the overall risk of injury when persistently standing, rather than encourage foolish behaviour.Maintaining the regulation against standing allows the management to officially punish a person for standing; while actually punishing them for being a jerk and ruining the enjoyment of everyone around themThis is entirely incorrect. In my numerous experiences with standing, the authorities have only ever done one of two things.The first thing is to not attempt to get the crowd seated, as there is no chance of making '4000 fans' sit down against there will.The second - just as common - response I've seen, is for the authorities to pick a supporter who is young and small, and without any friends to 'back them up', and eject them from the stadium. It is the fans who cause the least trouble who are often punished and used as a 'scapegoat', as the authorities know these people will offer little resistance, so attempt to make an example of them.Even if you choose to ignore my first hand experiences, what you are saying is once again incorrect - the authorities don't need the standing rule in order to punish people for being 'a jerk' (e.g. being repeatedly, unneccessarily abuse and upsetting numerous people around them). They can use the follwing ground regulation to deal with the offender. 21.1.6 persistent swearing and/or abusive language during the Match; This is against the conditions of entry at every football ground of all Premier League clubs, and while most people do swear, it allows the authorities to deal appropriately with those who take it 'too far', and spoil the enjoyment of others.So in summary:The management of the stadium does’t want this because it allows them to punish jerks, which are not technically breaking any other rules, but are ruining other fans enjoyment; which is good for most fans.This is untrue, they can deal with the offender using a number of other ground regulations and/or public disorder offences.This will not preclude people from standing in the seating section any more than it does with the unofficial standing sections you mentioned; making it unnecessary. This is untrue, as the fans who stand in the 'unofficial standing sections' would move to the SafeStanding section, where they would be free from being hassled, and blocking others views.This will not necessarily make things safer. Physical structures don’t make people safe, good judgment makes people safe. People doing foolish things will find a way to be unsafe no matter how many rails are around. The more safety structures you put in place, the less people use good judgment. While I understand your point, it is once again defunct as the physical structure question would improve safety, as it reduces the risk of fans falling from the rows behind, potentially causing a domino crush. You seem to assume fans will automatically 'do foolish things', which is unfounded.No. The construction would affect the fans by being a hassle. The construction cost money, money that could be spent by the stadium for other things to better the experience of the spectator watching the match. I totally understand this viewpoint, however I stated at the beginning of the debate that I am arguing for the introduction of SafeStanding areas depending on whether the individual clubs wish to do so, so this is not a topic I am interested in discussing.Thank you for offering a unique perspective against SafeStanding, I look forward to seeing your response.