DDO is a better debate site than Edeb8

Rebuttals1. PeopleCon here addresses the popularity and community topic by differentiating quality and quantity and claiming "quality of the people FAR outweighs the sheer numbers".It is true to some extent that quality is more important than quantity. The issue in this case is that the comparison should not be about who has more members. If DDO right now had 1000 less members, there would not be much of a difference. There would be a lot of challenges, a lot of debates, and a lot of discussions in the forums. The community would still be big enough to have those things that people like about DDO.The point is that Edeb8 right now doesn't have enough members to present you with the better experience compared to DDO. I don't know how many members a site needs to provide you with a nice experience, it would probably depend on the amount of active members and the topics you like to debate, but it's clear that a debater can't enjoy a good amount of features if the community in question doesn't allow you that- The NumbersIn this part, Con presents some numbers. He didn't provide a source for those numbers. I hope he can provide those in later rounds, but let's assume *for this round* that they are accurate. I'm not sure what's Con's point with this one.He is comparing percentages even when he later accepts that some DDO users use the opinions or poll sections only.And as I stated, it's not about having more debaters, but enough debaters.- The QualityHere Con seems to claim that the Edeb8's community has a greater quality than DDO's one.He claims that almost every member of Edeb8 is there because they want to debate or are looking for debates in contrast of DDO where there is a lot of new members that are trying the site. He also attacks the fact that there are spammers in the site.It's true that spam is a disadvantage of popularity, but the content you can find in DDO definitely outweighs that little disadvantage that you may find once in a while in unpopular forums.And yes, I "admitted" some users use Opinions and Polls. I don't see how that is a problem.- The RangeCon claims that there is a wide range of users in Edeb8 and the fact that there are few members is good because they are forced to interact with each other on a regular basis. This is actually possible in DDO too. The fact that there are a lot of debates and debaters is not an issue in DDO.You can interact with active members, not so active members, people that doesn't agree with you on a topic or people that agree with you on a topic.You have a really popular games forum where you can play when you are not debating, or the rest of the forums where you can discuss casually a lot of different topics.And of course, the hangouts that are frequented by really active members on the site. Here they talk and discuss. This is only possible in a site with enough members.And sure, Edeb8 has it's forum too, but they are not as active and as productive as DDO's counterpart.And no, it's not fair to say that Edeb8 has enough members. I addressed this in my case.2. Debate TopicsHere Con starts a discussion about debate topics- Random TopicsRandom topics is just a solution for the lack of challenges. It doesn't replace the challenges of topics people DO want to debate.- Secret topicsThis is another feature Con claims stimulates debaters.First, there were only 19 automatic secret topic debates in the site until now.If you use the next link (http://www.edeb8.com...) and replace the last N for a number you will get the secret topic debate you want. and (http://www.edeb8.com...) is a debate without debaters, so it's not active.My first example is a debate for this same tournament. A random and secret topic is used if necessary for debates, which is a nice solution that solves some time problems but may have some bigger issues sometimes. This is not automatic random topic debate so it's not part of the 19 mentioned, but it uses the same idea.Because people receive a secret topic, they sometimes find themselves in a position where they don't have enough knowledge or they just don't know any good argument for the topic. Sometimes they are strongly attached to the opposite position and debates just don't go well. [1]Notice that in that debate, the Pro side also claims that a bug caused his round to be deleted and he lost confidence because of the random topic and the bug, which complements my second round.This also happened to me. I tested the random topic opening several debates with those topics. One of them got accepted after several days and got a topic I didn't know anything about. I agree that I knew what I was getting into and is mostly my fault and I forfeited the first round. I tried posting in the second round but my round didn't get posted. The proof of that is in the comments.[2]Several debates from the group of 19 also had issues [3], so it's false that it has been a hugely successful experiment. It definitely increases the amount of debates by avoiding the thinking process of selecting a resolution and accepting a challenge, but it has a lot of other issues right now.3. Debate StylesHere Con claims that this argument alone should decide the debate.I have to disagree here. I believe that the community DDO built around the site is a very important aspect of the site and the reason people don't leave DDO, even after claiming they are leaving for good.And Con also claims that those are not workarounds, which is true, but the fact that there are easy workarounds in DDO makes Con's argument less relevant.In fact, there are more Video debates in DDO in the last 3 months than in Edeb8 in all its history.This also happens with team debates. Actually, I was not able to find a single team debates in Edeb8.Quick debates are possible in DDO.Cross examination is indeed a nice feature, but I don't think this is enough to make a significant difference.Unlimited characters are totally unnecessary. That's like giving a person unlimited time in a debate.The color feature is also unnecessary.The PDF feature is also nice, but not enough in the weighting.4. UsabilityHere Con presents one more feature.My rebuttal for this is that you can also risk "everything" in the Edeb8's case. That's exactly what happened to me [2].I usually write things in a program in my computer, in BOTH sites.ConclusionEdeb8 has really nice features in general, but the amount of users is still the critical factor that differentiate both sites.DDO, even without having some features has more examples of those features than Edeb8.By the way, your second and third source can't be opened.Sources1. http://www.edeb8.com...2. http://www.edeb8.com...3. http://www.edeb8.com... (replace N by 3, 4, 5, 6, 10, 11, 12, 13 and 16)I thank Nzlockie for this round and all the debate. I will explain more in the next rounds. I ran out of space on this one.