Everyone Who Believes in God is Most Likely Delusional

I asked: "Are they delusional because they all agree that there is a god, or are they delusional because they have slightly different ideas with regard the nature/ certain characteristics of god? " He writes: "They are delusional because they believe in supernatural aspects that are not true" His evidence for this was: "We know theists are most likely have incorrect beliefs, because they all hold different beliefs, and they cannot all be true. " 1st of all, So what if "they cannot all be true", I only need one. 2nd of all, do you really think every single theist has a different idea about god? This is absurd. There is some dispute about certain aspects of god, but to say every single theist has a different idea, is absurd. ( It's like saying since there are many variations of the theory of evolution, every single evolutionist has a different idea of evolution. There are more theists than there are combinations of theories of god. ) Aside from that, it ignores the many theists that believe we cannot describe god at all. Pro writes that the difference between mistaken & delusional is a delusional person will hold his beliefs "regardless of fact", while one who is just mistaken will change when presented with evidence contrary to their belief. The simplest way to show that not all theists are like that is the fact that some theists become agnostic/atheist, when presented with certain arguments. The most well known examples are: Dawkins, & Joseph Stalin. Stalin actually studied to be an Orthodox priest but became an atheist after reading Karl Marx's books. Another good example is Charles Templeton - A co-founder of Youth for Christ. He rejected Christianity for agnosticism after a struggle with doubts. One last example - Dan Barker - American atheist activist who served as a Christian preacher and musician for 19 years but left Christianity in 1984. a list of them can be found at . http://en.wikipedia.org...... The same is true the other way around there have been atheists who have been convinced that there is a god. The most famous example is Anthony Flew, a Philosopher and one of the most respected atheist thinkers of the 20th century. He was convinced, by Dr. Gerald Schroeder among others, of the validity of the teleological argument. He was not convinced by the other philosophical arguments, but Flew stated that "the most impressive arguments for God"s existence are those that are supported by recent scientific discoveries" and that "the argument to Intelligent Design is enormously stronger than it was when I first met it". Other examples: Christian B. Anfinsen, Nobel prize-winning chemist who converted from "orthodox agnosticism" to Orthodox Judaism. Mortimer J. Adler " American philosopher, educator, and popular author. He converted to theism after decades of interest in Thomism. C. E. M. Joad " English philosopher whose arguing against Christianity earned him criticism from T. S. Eliot. [24] He turned toward religion later, writing The Recovery of Belief a year before he died. Prof. Dale Gottlieb - was a Professor of Philosophy at Johns Hopkins, became an orthodox Jew. This notion that all theists live by faith without reason is a common misconception among some atheists. They think that all theists believe without reason & regardless of contrary evidence. This misconception arouse as a result of the fact that many do believe in the concept of faith beyond reason. But it ignores the many theists who do deal with evidence. The most popular one being W. LC. who is considered by many (even atheists) to be the greatest debater today. (Dawkins has refused to debate him, except once, & the 1 time that he did agree he backed out in the end. ). There are many theists, books, & organizations that support a rational approach to god. There are many arguments for god, including; several cosmological arguments (thomistic version being my current favorite), teleological, ontological, Arguments from fulfilled prophesies, etc. I just want to clarify I never said smart people cannot be delusional. But there is a difference between saying a brilliant chess player became delusional, and saying; Newton, Leibniz, pretty much most of the founding fathers of science, Clarke, Paul Davies, Nick Rescher, brilliant other minds like Aristotle, Descartes, our president, most other presidents, Lorentz, Kant. .. 1/3rd of practicing analytic philosophers in America. JP Moreland, Alvin Plantinga, William Lane Craig, etc. , are all "delusional".