LM Classic: Logical-Master vs Mongoose

======================= Opponent's rebuttal to Strategy #1 | ======================= 1. CON concedes to my arguments regarding the force. As for the scenario where everyone is fighting in an empty void, I'd like for my opponent to provide evidence that both Master Hand and Ganondorf could survive without oxygen or warmth from the sun. Even if they could, neither would be a match for Sora (who would be perfectly adapted to such an environment due to the keyblades adapting powers. I've already explained why Sora is simply too fast for the Master Hand to engage and have explaned how easy it is to take it down in battle.As for Ganondorf, I maintain the argument that the keyblade's powers would prove rather effective. 2a. My opponent claims that Ganondorf is not ink-black in color with yellow beady eyes." This is not the criteria or being a heartless. For instance, Xehenhort (the final boss of the first Kingdom Hearts game) maintained a human appearance: http://kingdomhearts.wikia.com... . Furthermore, my argument is not that Ganondorf is in fact a heartless, but that he possesses the same properties of one (having a heart consumed by darkness). 2b. I acknowledged that rules list, but have contested that transporting foes out of the city is not actually a stated rule. No one on my team would be teleporting out of the city. On the other hand, in my listed, I'd be forcing a member (or more) on my opponents team to do just that, hence violate the rules. c. Batman chuckles and uses his motherbox to boomtube my entire team and himself out of the barrier. Either that or Sora simply uses to keyblade to tear down the barrier, since bypasing sealed interiors is one of its natural abilities: http://kingdomhearts.wikia.com... "The main power of the Keyblade, however, is the ability to seal or open the barriers between worlds, as well as "lock" a world's Keyhole, preventing the Heartless from attacking that world's heart. As an offset of this ability, the Keyblade can also be used to lock or unlock any lock, allowing the user to access any sealed interior, whether it be a locked room, gate, or treasure chest." d. CON has dropped "c" from the previous round (that Batman simply uses knockout gas to knockout Ganon while Amazo is giving him a thrashing). 3a. CON must still provide evidence that Master Hand can hide in the ground and attack. So far, we've seen none and I doubt we will in this debate. 3b. The source does in fact state how powerful this magic is: "In Kingdom Hearts II, Magnega and Reflega are the only spells which can be used to harm the Sorcerer Nobody and Sephiroth. " Sephiroth is indeed quite powerful. As Yraelz notes in this debate, the guy is fast enough to move across the solar system in seconds and is powerful enough to wipe out planets:http://www.debate.org... If even a guy that strong cannot bypass such magic, it is doubtful that the mere Master hand would provide a better performance. 3c. CON states that master hand is immune to vaccums and gravity. I'd like to see some evidence for this assertion. 3d. Even if the above assertion were true, the power of magnet is neither gravity or a vacuum. It's sheer magic based based around the magical element of darkness. 4. That remains up to the judges to decide. Fortunately, I've offered an alternative contention that has nothing to do with warping him out of the battlefield. Thus, even if they don't buy that, it's not a problem for my position. Also, note that my opponent has dropped my alternative contention. ======================= RE: CON's aweomse strategies | ======================= 1. Very fast. In the film Revenge of the Sith, Darth Sidious became aware of Vader's precise location as well as the fact that he would be in danger ON THE OTHER SIDE OF GALAXY before it even actually happened. Revan is more powerful than Sidious. Lines like: "Revan was power It was like staring into the heart of the Force" as well as that fact that Revan was regarded as being the most gifted force wielder of his time (during an age where force knowledge was far greater than the age of the prequals and the original trilogy) suggest this ( http://starwars.wikia.com... ). Revan would know K's location and would be force choking him (and any other human) the instant the fight began. As for it taking 1/100 of a second, it took him several seconds to prepare the button as well as to put on the glasses needed to avoid the effects of the ray. When taking into consideration the fact that he'd need to avoid erasing the memories of his teammates as well, set the device on a mode that doesn't just erase memories of UFO's or UFO related business (assuming the device can in fact do that) even more time would pass. Once again, this is in comparison to Revan moving at superhuman speed thanks to the force power known as force speed as well as the fact that he'd know team CON's location in an instant. As for Ganondorf pushing the button, I see no reason as to why Revan couldn't start force choking him as well. Granted, it probably wouldn't kill him, it would certainly keep him from pushing any buttons. An alternative to this would simply be for everyone on my team "cover their eyes" or for Batman to boomtube the entire team into the NYC sewers as the fight begins., seeing as how eye obstruction seems to be all that is necessary in avoiding this memory erasing light. 2. Power of evil? http://en.wikipedia.org... Take a gander at the abilities section. I see nothing about "power of evil." Yes, Ganondorf is indeed evil and was given the title "king of evil" for his accomplishments, but this power which CON speaks of simply doesn't exist. In any case, the worst case scenario would simply be for Revan to cast "force stun" on Spider-man (hence preventing him from moving) until Ganondorf is dispatched: http://starwars.wikia.com... , though it is doubtful that this would even be necessary since there is nothing to indicate that Ganon's feeble powers are a match for the force. 3. Revan would detect him at the start of the battle and kill him just as he'd kill K. Also, even if by some freak accident, Gibbs escaped, Sora could take him out with the technique known as warp snipe. He used this technique to best a far more powerful sniper who was using friggin lazers. http://www.youtube.com... 1:39 in the video to the right is a good instance of this. He is shown deflecting lazers. Lazers > bullets. He could move at warp speed and deflect all of the bullets right back at him. And hiding is useless against someone who detect life and read minds. I've already shown how Ganon's barrier is useless. Till next round.