Artificial Human #17 would have likely defeated Piccolo if Cell hadn't arrived...

Alright ladies and gentleman. I realize that this debate has gotten pretty murky, thus I'm going to simply stress the important issues in this closing round and provide a link refuting every detail of PRO's case elsewhere (read the 7th post in the following thread): . http://www.debate.org... CONCLUSION: WHY PRO LOSES THIS DEBATE ============================== Having read the entire debate, there are many points which ultimately don't impact the rounds, thus I shall be providing my responses to those that do. Pay special attention to the word "IMPACT" every time it is mentioned as these are the points which individually win me this debate without question. ------> RE: Technique Absurdity ----------------------------- SECTION A: 1) PRO continues to mount an uphill battle in stating that there are no such cases where Piccolo used his SLBT in the manner which I'm referring to. Honestly though, there's no reason to place any doubt in my explanation of Piccolo's strategy. PRO's argument is the equivalent to saying that we've never seen Piccolo without his shoes off, hence giving us reasonable doubt that he cannot take his shoes off. Here's what we do know: Piccolo has control over his bio-molecular structure. Thus, we have ample reason to believe that he can do what I've claimed him capable of. Furthermore, if you'll refer to my sources, Piccolo was doing PRECISELY just this in the start of his battle with Goku. The only reason Goku even gained the advantage was because he goaded Piccolo into becoming too large. (1) 2) PRO is once again talking about SLBT having a specific weakness, yet conveniently refrains from mentioning it. This is because the so-called "weakness" has already been summed up in my previous round and that's Piccolo becoming TOO big. We've already seen him in a state which isn't too big. Unless he means to say that Piccolo's weakness is being easily goaded into getting bigger (which is unlikely as Piccolo has long since changed in terms of pride/intelligence since Dragon Ball), he really has no argument at all here. Granted the "weakness" of the technique, Piccolo not doing this again is indeed plot induced stupidity. ----->IMPACT: As you can see from my analysis, PRO has provided us with no real reason to believe that Piccolo would be incapable of relying on this tactic or that it would even fail. Furthermore, he has not once offered a counter strategy that assumes Piccolo is successful in doing precisely what I advocate. Thus, we are to see this as a concession on PRO's part; that Piccolo would win if he could use the SLBT to the level which I specify. Even without PRO having failed to provide a response, this is most reasonable as Piccolo having the advantage in strength breaks the stalemate between himself and #17 and can allow him to rip Gero's bucket of bolts in two. Thus, you need only buy this argument to vote CON SECTION B: 1) In attempt to prove that Piccolo cannot create extra versions of himself (or as he phrases it, "Demon creation"), PRO attempts to assert that we are in no way warranted to conclude that Piccolo JR (the reincarnation of King Piccolo) has the same abilities as King piccolo. He bases this on Uub (in spite of being the reincarnation of Majin Buu) as not having shown himself as possessing the same abilities as Buu. This is very flawed argument for two reasons First: Goku stated that Uub did not know how to use any of his abilities. Heck, he didn't even know how to fly (2). Thus, PRO statement regarding Uub is nothing more than baseless conjecture Second: The manner at which both Uub and Piccolo JR were incarnated as VASTLY different. King Yemna was the one to reincarnate Buu as Uub whereas Piccolo reincarnated himself directly. King Yemna reincarnated Uub as a human whereas Piccolo reincarnated himself as he has always been (a namekian). Uub had no recollection of his former self whereas Piccolo understand who he was as is former self completely. Thus, it is rather clear that this is a weak argument and that it does not fly AT ALL. Why is it that Piccolo (reincarnated) still has perfect mastery over ki, knows transmutation (or "magic" rather), has all the memories of his former self. It's because he IS the former Piccolo. There is a reason that Kami (who can only live as long as Piccolo can) didn't die when King piccolo was killed. 2) PRO drops my alternate proposed methods of Piccolo being capable of multiforming. In R2, I explicitly stated that Kami used this technique just to create Piccolo in the first place and that Piccolo is most knowledgeable in the area of transmutation. Since PRO has dropped this, you are to agree that Piccolo has a means of multiforming in this battle regardless of whether or not you are convinced by the points made above. In the last round my opponent proposed that Piccolo had access to specific techniques that would help secure his chance of victory, however, the techniques he listed are never confirmed in the manga AT ANY point. 3) In attempt to prove that Kami cannot use instant transmission, PRO points out that Kami didn't simply transport Goku to the battlefield during the battle with the saiyans. However, there are several things wrong with this line of reasoning. A) Kami would have been placing himself in danger had he arrived on the battlefield. Getting killed by the saiyans would have eliminated Piccolo at the same time. No need to take such a risk. B) Goku needed to get some senzu beans from Korin as he wasn't a full health. C) Kami was as drained as Piccolo and was barely clinging onto his life. Nevertheless, let us assume that Piccolo would merely be limited to traveling to the front of Snake way when using this teleportation technique. This would be no problem at all. He could simply teleport to Snake way, power up the special beam canon (without interruption) and then teleport back to the location #17 was at while aiming from his blind spot or from an area where he'd be unable to mount any offense (like Goku did to Cell). ------->IMPACT: Note PRO's drop as it's crucial. The multiform technique WILL be successful in this battle. Also note that this is yet another example where PRO has not provided a counter strategy for #17 that assumes Piccolo would be successful in duplicating himself. This once again puts you (as the judges) in the position to vote in favor of my case merely if you agree my analysis on what Piccolo is capable of. Furthermore, this applies to the instant transmission section. As long as you are convinced that Piccolo can do it, that's all it takes for a CON vote. BATTLES WON WITHOUT SUPERIOR STRENGTH ================================ 1) It matters little how Vegeta managed to catch Goku off guard. The point I've established is that catching an opponent off guard = certain doom/ critical hit in DBZ. 2) Once again, PRO brings up irrelevant points. Gohan won through intervention; he won since Cell's guard was down and quite effectively at that. And yes, Buu wasn't hurt at all by Trunks and Goten's kick, but with regeneration on his level, why would he be? Nevertheless, the kept incapacitated him long enough for Vegeta to have Piccolo get the two to safety as well as mount one final defense against Buu. How do I affirm that Piccolo has such an advantage of catching #17 off guard? 1) He has already done it during the battle. 2) It would be simply for him to do it if he were to create a duplicate out of sight and have it stall #17. As you can see, PRO's arguments against these key maneuvers have been insufficient. IMPACT: PRO provides no argument against the effectiveness of off guard techniques. If you are convinced that Piccolo can catch #17 off guard, this is yet again an individual reason to vote PRO. Thanks for the debate.