Christianity

Just saying, I should NOT have put this to the last hour, but I have been extremely busy, so I digress. As usual, I would suggest you check the comments because I can almost guarantee I am going to run out of room again. 1) a) I am not using circular logic. The whole premise of Christianity is that the Bible is the truth. Therefore, the Bible claims GOD is omnipotent. Your arguments are against Christianity, to basically prove it as false. The barring of you is to prove it as incorrect, and me as correct. I hope that helps you out. As for mean things in the name of religion, I would honestly read the Bible. b) Technically, he can. Read Romans 8:29-30. However, he does not at the same time. It"s outlined in Romans 8 if you read it. Okay first, that would be rape. You are upset about rape in your posts, yet you talk about raping as if GOD should do it. Make up your mind. Forced love is rape. Can you be omnipotent if you cannot create something without creating it? Come on, you are taking omnipotent too far and over stretching it how you"d like. No how is that lame logic? Also, people will kill each other regardless. The whole point of existence is to go to Heaven. Did angels have to go through what we did? No, and if you read the Bible stuff happens in Heaven and the devil basically tries to ruin everything. Is GOD honestly not going to test people now and teach them the errors of their ways? He can calculate everything we are going to do because our thoughts are very limited, but come on. Your argument is that if GOD can do everything that he should be able to force us to do what he wants. However, you are going against the whole purpose of a soul in the first place. Besides, if you honestly look at the creation of existence, it"s equivalent to owning a pet. You own a dog, you give it a huge backyard, food to eat, water to drink, a place to sleep. You want it to obey you, but you want it to love you. You could always just have a robotic dog that does everything you want, but you don"t feel the same affection. GOD wants us to love him, but he doesn"t force us to love him [that would be rape]. c) No you misunderstand, re-read what I posted. I said there are reasons why GOD does not do what you claim and I addressed them. Please just read them. d) No, that makes no sense. What would be the purpose of GOD creating existence to create a bunch of robots? Of course, just as I showed in Romans 8:29-30. You still make the choice, so you have free will. However, GOD can calculate what you are going to do, and therefore, teaches you what is required in order for you to be as holy as possible. In Romans 8 and even in Romans 1 it outlines how GOD knows that some people refuse to learn, no matter what GOD will do for them. Therefore, he lets them go ahead and do what they want. They don"t care about the consequences, and GOD does not force us to love him. e) I understand. Like I said, I can understand what you are saying. Rape is never a good thing, neither is murder. However, neither is allowing yourself to die. Is there a pro situation in allowing yourself to die? Yes, you die to protect someone you love. There are pros and cons to every situation. I"m surprised you don"t just bring up Jesus on the cross on this issue and argue all of Christianity on that notion that you have. f) From that perspective, yes. I was just telling you what has happened to me. My point of this debate is not to win votes, as much as it is to help you. g) Its interesting what you say. You want GOD to just possess people and force them to do what he wants? Come on, then you would call GOD a rapist. That"s like saying GOD can"t be omnipotent because he can"t make something without creating it. That is something, therefore, because he can"t create something without creating it, he isn"t omniscient. Come on dude. h) Alright sure, that"s easy. Can you tell me exactly how it talked? Nope. Can snakes create vibrations through their mouths? Yep. Can we understand sounds into thoughts via vibrations? Yes[ http://www.reportageonline.com...]. Therefore, it is possible. Especially keep in mind, it is demonically possessed. I can go about the scientific possibilities as I just outlined, but if you really think about it, can a sock puppet talk? Of course not. However, if I shove my hand into it and move its lips as I speak, can it talk? Of course, because it is possessed by my hand. The same can be said with a costume, it doesn"t talk, but when you are in control of it, it can talk. i) Well that"s interesting. At least you can"t claim its misogyny now. Also, it clearly states to "Love thy neighbor as thyself" not "Love thy male neighbor as thyself". I get your point here. You are saying that if I make a story about New York and it has giant flying spiders, it doesn"t mean giant flying spiders exist. However, we are talking about things written by the people who did exist at this time. For example, Kind David wrote about how he fought wars, and how GOD helped him do it. He did exist, and he died. So you can say he just thought GOD helped him, and move along. However, his son Solomon had the same experience. You can also say well, he just thought it was true, then I ask a question. If they were making this all up, and keep in mind they wrote the books in Kings, and parts of Samuel, as well as Proverbs and Psalms, then why include their mistakes? For example, if they were writing fiction and they wanted to be seen as great, they say GOD helped them. Then why would David write about how he messed up and almost got killed, how he was treated horribly for his mistakes, as well as what happened to his children? Moreover, why would Solomon admit to his mistakes too? Or having concubines in the first place or committing idolatry? If these were fake accounts, they could have just edited out the stuff that made them look bad. Also, you must ask, what is the motivation? Why would they need to write a book about GOD helping them. They could just say GOD blessed them like Samuel and they were awesome, instead of basically writing how without GOD they were nothing. Do you see my point? There is no motivation for them to write it in such ways. With that logic, as well as with understanding that there are a lot of things that are in the Bible that exist, it is easy to deduct it is true. I"m surprised you never addressed how Ethiopia is mentioned in Genesis, but I digress. i) Read above. If you want more, just make another debate or just ask me, I have a limited amount of characters. Well look at that, the first argument I didn't run out of characters on. I am honestly surprised. Well I thank you for the debate. If you'd like to continue debating and just make this part 1 out of a series, let me know. There are a lot of things we didn't get to fully address on but the max amount of rounds is 5. So I can just make a debate called "Christianity 2" and we can keep going. Just let me know at the beginning or end of your argument, and I'll address all your stuff in the beginning of "Christianity 2". I appreciate the debate, it helps me improve. There are a lot of debate topics on the Bible [even between Christians]. This just helps me learn more and improve myself. I hope I explained a few things to you. Also, if we do have a next debate, there are a couple of things I'd like to talk on since you brought up books on physics and what not. Lastly, please don't let this offend you [you'd be surprised to hear this offended someone what I am about to say] but may GOD bless you, and I appreciate the debate. P.S I am so sorry for the wait. I am still sanitizing my apartment for my fiance because she has problems and she can't handle the cat hair etc. so I have to clean everything. Also I've been tired too, but just saying sorry and thanks again for the debate.