The most basic living cell was Intelligently Designed

I am grateful to Pro for this fierce, and unusual debate. I welcome him to DDO and I wish him well in his future debates. I. Intelligent Design, Poor Logic I am somewhat perplexed by Pro's argumentation. There doesn't appear to be any linear flow of logic from the facts he has attempted to present to the conclusion he is trying to reach. The arguments made so far seem to follow this type of logic: P1. All Welshman are named Tim P2. My landlord is called Tim C1. My landlord is a Welshman This obviously is invalid, and not sufficient to determine the nationality of my landlord, as it ignores the fact that other nations could have people named Tim, and the probability of my landlord being Tim in light of this fact is influenced by a plethora of variables. Pro simply has not connected the dots whatsoever to demonstrate that the simplest of cells, or anything at all is intelligently designed. He has also dropped my points regarding how to determine if a 'fabrication' is intelligently designed or not. My arguments are only a strawman if they misrepresent my opponent's arguments, ignoring the fact that my opponent appears to have provided very little argumentation towards his conclusion, my other attacks on intelligent design are very much relevant since that is the topic under debate, irrespective of how Pro is attempting to argue for it (Inferred design or otherwise). There is a real difference between what is done in science to determine evolution and Inferred/Intellident Design. Evolution makes positive predictions, nested heiracies are necessary, common ancestry is necessary, linear cumulative change is necessary. All these positive predictions are objectively testable, and would completely falsify evolution if demonstrated wrong. This is not the case with intelligent/inferred design. The arguments are subjective, are unfalsifiable, and makes zero testable predictions, ergo a bad theory. II. Anti ID Arguments: Pro drops my two anti-intelligent design arguments, which are the dependence of intelligent designers on being alive (and therefore never existed at the OOL), and the argument from lack of intrinsic purpose. I have (however weakly) supported all the premises in the arguments, and the conclusion will follow if the argument is sound, which Pro has not even attempted to do. III. Circular Logic: Pro appears to complain that he is forced to argue via circular reasoning, I have already argued how one could make a logically valid argument for intelligent design, but in either case it isn't my problem. The BoP is on Pro, and if he cannot make his point without falling into circular logic, then his argument is rightly unsound. Moreover I have not once mentioned or even implied god in this debate, therefore I fail to see his complaint. IV. No Objectivity: As I have iterated throughout this debate, there appears to be no way to objectively test for these design attributes, and all the argumentation provided so far is very much subjective in their execution. How would we objectively be able to determine that enough 'repetitious breaks increases the chances of ID? Or what such repetitious breaks would objectively be? What number of attributes would constitute a fabrication? How is it affected by other factors? V. Negative arguments: Pro drops my points regarding ID being one big negative argument against non-intelligent emergence. Rather amusingly, Pro has fallen back on his assertion of inferred design (and the ell eagerly positive arguments for design) and focused most entirely on negative arguments. I am quite disappointed this had happened to be honest, as any theory should be able to stand on it's own two feet without relying on the 'implausibility of the contrary' arguments. These arguments all assume life ever had to arise in the first place, and are addressed in part by this and the anthropic principle. VI. Hitchen's Razor: "What can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence". Pro makes a number of assertions regarding the implausibility of RNA forming, with zero evidence or argument to support them. Such as the argument regarding RNA in alkaline water, whilst providing no evidence of this assertion, nor any context to the alkaline conditions involved, and how they relate to the environment of huge early Earth. Were alkaline conditions common on huge early earth? VII. Anti-Abiogenesis: Amusingly Pro attacks a brief comment I made regarding numerous reports of nucleoside amplification (to tend towards homochirality), I never made the claim this was what happened at the OOL, which would be a bold one indeed, instead it highlights in black and white that pathways to resolve the issue Pro attempts to raise do exist in non-intelligently, and given that the paper I cited was published in 2011, extremely recent science, is it really sound to conclude that a process is non-intelligently implausible on the early Earth? That would be like telling a silicon chip manufacturer that we will never get to 11 nanometer chips because it's so hard at present, ignoring the fact we said the same thing about 45, 22 and 16 nm... Moreover I have presented two completely independent solutions to this issue Pro puts forth, one from chiral resolution (en contrary much more complicated examples exist, but was provided for simplicity of understanding). The fact we have several plausible pathways around this seems to make Pro's argument unsound. We simply have not addressed the search-space as thoroughly as Pro requires to make an objective negative-argument against non-intelligent emergence. We don't know the versatility of the card hands, nor how large (how much 'luck' is required) a hand is required. The researchers don't appear to be specialised in abiotic amino acid synthesis, which was already highlighted to be available abiotically in the famous Urey-Miller experiments, but even if Pro could come up with a puzzle for which I lack a cogent non-intelligent process for, it does not in any way verify intelligent design, this is argument ad ignorantum straight-up. VIII. Information: Unfortunately for Pro, the synthesis of amino acids, nor RNA doesn't appear to require any 'information'. Amino acids are comparatively very simple molecules which are quite water-stable, and RNA is more difficult to produce, but has been recently found to have robust abiotic synthetic pathways available. [7] Once again I ask, how does one objectively determine the information required for a fabrication, or if it's required at all? IX. Evolution, life & thermodynamics: Unfortunately for Pro, we already have non-intelligent candidate explanations for life that exists today, evolution as I had already mentioned. Halobacteria, however simple, are thought to have evolutionary pathways from simpler life in the past. Life itself as I already mentioned is essentially one big autocatalytic process driven by thermodynamics, which will drive the formation of 'fabricated' structures. Moreover, all of Pro's arguments are completely futile if life did not even originate via. The RNA world hypothesis he so reverently attacks. Multiple hypothesis' exist for the origin of life via non-intelligent means, such as lipid world, metabolism first, etc. These fields are very much new in science, and we simply do not know how likely it is to originate non-intelligently. I suspect it's an almost certainty, but my subjective opinion does not matter for this debate, and neither should anybody else's. X. Conclusion: With no objective means of determining design attributes, no response to the requirements of an intelligent designer, and a lack of positive argument for intelligent/inferred design, this debate has all but fallen flat. The resolution has been negated, Vote Con! XI. References: 7. http://www.nature.com...