PCs and Macs are basically the same.

All right. Here we go. I guess I'll just stick through the 1-5 thing so people can follow easier. 1. Considering that Boot Camp allows you to run Windows natively and that Macs and PCs are built with mostly the same parts (Intel processors, HD video cards, etc etc,) your argument on this one seems somewhat moot. Like I said, try watching some of the videos on youtube of people playing games like Call Of Duty 4 and Bioshock on High on a Macintosh. All Macs these days come with pretty high-end video cards, and you can easily upgrade the RAM on any desktop Mac - even the all-in one iMac. Also, I couldn't help but notice you brought up the whole "one button mouse" argument. Apple desktops have been coming out with two-button mice (The Mighty Mouse) since 2005. Not to mention, you could buy your own multi-button USB mouse and use them before, just like you would have to do with a PC. This just goes to show that you're the stereotypical "PC Elitist" that I described earlier. You've most likely never touched a Macintosh. I don't think you can really delve into this debate if you aren't experienced in both operating systems. 2. As I said before, you can get a Mac Pro, which is a fully upgradable desktop PC, and you can build a great Hackintosh for less than $800 dollars. Also, upgrading the RAM on an iMac is basically a 3-step deal that can be done in two minutes, if that counts for anything to you. 3. Again, Hack-in-tosh. Cheap, effective, and fully customizable. I'm assuming by "better" than Apple desktops, you're refering to the iMac. You have to remember that you're buying a complete computer, monitor included. I'm not sure about the Aluminum iMac, but the white iMac's screen was pretty high-end and worth 3-400 in itself. Of course, that tacks on to the price. Like I said earlier, a Mac is only as expensive as you need it to be, much like a PC. 4. Yeah, buddy, Mac OSX 10.5 Leopard is 100% UNIX, whereas Linux is not. If you want a real Unix experience, Leopard is the way to go. But, then again, this simply boils down to preference and what's easier for YOU. Personally, I grew up using Windows. I haven't been using Mac as long as I've been using PC, but I still found OSX to mesh well with what I already knew. It doesn't take that much of a learning curve. They've both become second nature to me, and I can honestly say that PCs do some things better than a Mac, and Macs do some things better than PCs. But... you wouldn't know, right? 5. I agree with you. But you really didn't debate my point here, so, moving on. Next set. 1. I agree with you here. My point was that apple sells lies when they say "Macs don't crash." They're computers, just like PCs, and if not properly taken care of, they're going to crash. 2. So, we agree? They are pretty much the same in every area. I do have to disagree with you in one area, though. PCs aren't any better for 3D modeling. Macs have Maya, one of the most advanced 3D apps to date. They also have Cinema 4D, but I've never used it. 3. Good. Moving on. 4. Uhh... something tells me that the only Mac you've ever used is quite... well, ancient. Macs don't use one-button mice anymore. They haven't for the past 2 1/2 years. Try using a newer mac with the newest operating system installed before you try judging it. That was rather absurd. That's like comparing Windows 95' to Windows XP when you've never used XP and saying that 95' is more user friendly. Sorry, but your argument here is completely moot. After you've used a newer Mac with OSX 10.5 Leopard for a couple of weeks, decide which is more user friendly to you then. While my entire point is that the PC vs. Mac debate is mostly all about preference, you have to give a fair trial to both, and that includes using the newest hardware with the newest OS. 5. What you said had nothing to do with my argument. I was refering to the looks on the outside of the computers, not their guts. Moot. To your closing statement - The same thing can be said about a Mac. Macs can do everything a PC can do, even moreso now because they can run Windows natively. PCs aren't any more network-friendly than a Macintosh. No idea where you're coming from there. Macs have Mac versions of the aferomentioned software, and, if not, there's a suitable Mac alternative. If all else fails, they can simply boot up Windows. It is true that some PCs are cheaper, but by no means do they have the same guts that fortify Macs and high-end PCs. But, again, this all boils down to preference. What's right for the person buying the computer. As I've clearly explained, they all do the same things. Some easier than the other and visa versa, but neither one is fundamentally better than the other. That's what I'm getting at. About that last little line of yours - You can't honestly say that you would know. It's been made painfully clear that you haven't used a Mac from this decade, thus, your judgements are rather unfair. Your move.