The societal wisdom of Socialism is undeniable.

"2. Undeniable. Something that can be proven to be a certain way through demonstration of either a practical or theoretical nature, and be accepted widely. Please note that this is not invalidated by someone denying it."Yes it is.http://oxforddictionaries.com...undeniable - unable to be denied or disputedI both deny and dispute the wisdom of socialism."To begin the portion of my debate, I will examine the change in society that caused the origins of socialism."Irrelevant."The value of the laborer to the capitalist is greater than what the capitalist pays. To demonstrate this point, what would the capitalist insist on paying himself if he were to take on the job of the laborer? It would be higher certainly. But, to increase the profit and the wealth of the capitalist, the laborer is deliberately given a low salary. When the entire economy is dominated by capitalists who set low salaries, choice becomes irrelevant. The laborer must go and work at an unfair wage, or he will starve."To the labourer the value of the pay is greater than the value of his labour. If it was not he would not trade a greater value for a lesser one.The reason that both can recieve more than they give is production, they produced something valuable by their cooperation and the profit is the share of that new value.The economy is dominated by capitalist because they offer the best deals. It is not your place to say if a wage, or a price is unfair unless you are the one consenting or rejecting it. If a worker accepts a wage over starvation, it seems that a little money is far fairer than death."There is no other option in a capitalist society."There is no other options in life but to work, steal, or die. Capitalism says you can work or die, socialism says you can steal or work, anarchy says you can steal or die.Theft is immoral so I choose capitalism."How does socialism change the equation? The state takes control of industry from the capitalist"It steals the industry the capitalist built."Is it immoral to take away the capitalist's control of industry?"Yes, as is all theft."No matter how you try to say it is so, greed is not good."The word greed is an anti-concept. In objective terms it means wanting something, but irationally it is considered BAD. Wanting too much? Who are you to tell someone what is too much for them?"That is an adage of civilized society for thousands of years."So were systems of slavery and castes. The rest of that junk about Jesus and the Buddha is an appeal to authority."Capitalism is unique in that it establishes greed as a virtue. Not being content with what you have is good. Wanting more is good. Doing whatever it takes to get more is good. The man who buys a pound of grain for a dollar and sells it for three is hailed as shrewd, when in times past he would have been known as a greedy cheat."You have it reversed, people have never been content with what they had. Capitalism gave them the opportunity to get more.The man who buys and sells by the consent of his trading partners has done nothing immoral. Capitalism is not based on greed but consent. Under capitalism you can be as generous as you want... with your own money and property."If it were a natural right, then wouldn't all societies have the same concept?"No"Native Americans didn't have such a concept."They sure killed a lot of people over a concept they didn't have."In nature, there are no rights. Rights are a construct of society, guarantees established for our welfare precisely because we do not have them in nature. In nature, might makes right. Whoever has strength has a natural right to whatever they take. The idea of natural rights and a good state of nature can be easily tested."In nature there are the same rights as there are in civilization. Rights are not a supernatural force which alters reality but a moral concept. If rights were inviolate we wouldn't need governments to protect them.Thank you for saving me the trouble of pulling it out of you, I was about to point out what the moral root of any collectivist (such as socialism) system of political ethics. Might makes right."If natural rights are true, then the crime rates will not change or will go down. If not..."Why?"Government is like your mother."You can build a government to be your mother, I want a security agency first and foremost to secure me against people like you."Liberty is not inherently good or essential, and is further a question of values."Actually it is because to hold any values you must value liberty if only your own. If you did not value your own liberty you must be rejecting your own judgements and values, a contradiction.The only reason people think they don't value liberty is because they don't value the liberty of others. The premise of capitalism is consent, meaning you everyone's liberty is equally valued and not subject to sacrifice. That is the only equality it is based on and the only equality rationally justified by the operation of the human mind."To value capitalism is to value greed, and selfishness, and to be concerned only with competing and rising to the top. To value socialism is to value equality, and to place others before your own needs, and to be concerned with the welfare of society."To value capitalism is to value freedom. To value socialism is to value economic equality at the cost of rightousness, to pretend the needy have a right to privlidge and the rights of the wealthy are privlidges."Yet greed has been wrapped in a flag, and given names like 'liberty.' Those who oppose it are slandered mercilessly and destroyed. They have, historically, been murdered, arrested, invaded, massacred, imprisoned, tortured."As well they should be they are the source of all human suffering."It's time to reexamine our priorities. Do we value greed and inequity, or cooperation and equality?"Capitalism is cooperation and equality of rights. Hint: it's not cooperation if you have to threaten one side with force or theft.