The Idea of Heaven, Hell, and God is Irrational

Rebuttal 1"I fail to see how your mentioning of deism relates to the topic of the irrationality of religion"It is a pivotal part in determining whether the belief of a God is rational. The irrational part about Christianity, Islam, and other such religions is that God is involved in the affairs of main. He plays a part in everything and watches every action you do. Everything is predestined and his will. Deism negates this. It is a way to explain the start of the universe and the issues with probability and complexity while leaving out the fact that God meddles in our every day affairs. Rebuttal 2 "I call it irrational because the belief in something without any quantitative or qualitative observations is not conductive of a logical mindset, and so cannot be considered rational"This is all in perception. A lot of people would argue the fact that God is testing our faith, and leaves signs. Miracles that happen without any scientific explanation. Cancer being healed, and people whom are blind seeing. This still happens in the modern era as well. The issue with this is that science has no explanation for some of the events that occur. Does that make the cause God? That is very debatable and the answer is probably no. Until there is some empirical evidence to support issues like this and why the occur, or why people experience things in the way they do a belief in God can be considered a working model and quite rational. Rebuttal 3God fits with no working model in the universeI would argue that he can fit with any working model we have. The idea of a God is compatible with evolution, the big bang, and even explains how this occurred when the probability is 1 to the 100 thousandth. Granted any variable can be inserted in the place of God and be just as logical, but to claim it is illogical the burden is on you to show that there is no God. Without being able to disprove the existence of something, it is hard to say it is "not rational". It may be not likely, but people can arrive at the idea of a God rationally. Rebuttal 4The chances of evolution are small, but it could still happen. I want pro to re read my argument from the prior round because it was dropped. Sure it could happen but lets look at this again. The first thing is the chance of life after the big bang. As Steven Hawking said " If the rate of expansion one second after the Big Bang had been smaller by even one part in 100 thousand million million, the universe would have collapsed before it ever reached its present size" [1]This is almost a mathematical impossibility. This is in fact a one time dice roll that was needed for the events in the big bang to occur, and when they occurred the situation had to perfect. If the expansion rate changed, just by a margin life as we know it would not exist. Even outside of it occurring once, this is now a constant variable within the universe. If the gravitational force of the universe is changed by a margin, we still do not exist. If the earth were to shift one centimeter in either direction and alter its course around the sun, we could not exist. If the earth was not rotating properly on its axis, we could not live because it would be to hot or to gold. These are constant variables that are always at play, and that can not change. At any point if they change, earth would not exist or not be inhabitable. Logically you could assume that one of these variable would change or could change in the past billions of years, yet it has not. Life is still on earth and meets our requirements. While God may not be the best explanation for this, it is a logical one and definitely a rational one to some people. It explains away, how and why we exist and why we are able to exist .Rebuttal 4MoralityIt can be objectively correct, we just would not be aware of Gods definition of good. God condoned slavery, murder, etc to accomplish a goal he had planned. We would not be judging morality based on what we think is moral, but what is objectively correct would be determined by Gods will. Therefore everything God commanded would be morally correct. Basically we have no idea what right and wrong is by Gods standard. Our idea of what is just and his idea of what is just would be two different things. So he would be an absolute answer to morality in that sense. Rebuttal 5TheoriesIf you want to adapt a theory that is fine as well, but you must accept that it is just as illogical as God in some cases. There are so many theories that attempt to explain the cause of the universe and most of them are no where near empirical. Anywhere from the M theory as you mentioned to the string theory. Some theories even claiming there are alternative realities and that we are projections of another universe. Almost all of these could be considered illogical or irrational within some context. However if one has evidence to support a theory and arrives at it logically ,it is in fact rational. This can also be used to justify God in a rational way. Rebuttal 6Complexity. This does not require much of a response. Pro seems fixated on the idea that God does not present any working models for the universe. This is false. It is easy to develop a working model for God and how the universe began and this has been done multiple times, but it goes beyond that. God is compatible with every working model that we have in most cases. The idea and definition of God could change somewhat, but the idea of a supreme being can co exist with almost every working model out at the moment. While it may not be accurate or correct to tie the two theories together, that does not change the fact that they are not mutually exclusive. In ClosingI have shown how believing in the idea of a God can be rational, how the idea of a God is compatible with all the working theories out right now, and also how God provides and answer for morality and mathematical impossibilities that exist. While there may not be any empirical evidence to support the concept of a God , there is also not empirical evidence to support most of the working theories that are presently out such as the M theory and string theory. It is just that, a "theory" based off of research, evidence, and study. Just as the theories are rational theories , the idea and concept of a God can also be rational. [1] Steven Hawking A brief history of time