Whitebeard vs. Madara

R1) RulesCon claims that the rules result in an impossibility, since WB has never been fully healthy and old simultaneously; however, this doesn't make it impossible. It simply means we don't know what WB would be fully capable of. Con may object to this, saying it is unfair, yet we don't even know what sick WB was fully capable of, as he was holding back for the sake of his crew mates (as proven in round 2). Furthermore, to be "in accordance" is to be in a manner conforming with something; thus, rule 2 must conform with rule 1. R2) Haki & ChakraSince round 3, I've asked Con to back up his statements that Madara has better stamina than WB. Last round, he provided no evidence and completely dropped the matter. I am the only one to provide feats of endurance for WB, and it is clear that he is superior in this matter. ". .. but we can infer from Marco's comments afterwards that if Whitebeard had fully functioning Observation Haki, he still should have been able to dodge the strike. "Con is correct, but I stated that Squardo being an ally was a factor explaining why WB was able to get hit, which is true. Marco's statements also confirm that, if WB was fully healthy (as he should be, in accordance with the rules), his haki would be fully functional and he would be able to dodge such an attack. R3) Martial ArtsCon completely disregards my evidence, claiming that most troops at Marineford were just recruits. Only commisioned officers are allowed to wear a coat with "Justice" on the back (from the source I provided in the last round). Every Marine at the war was wearing such a coat; thus, they were all commissioned officers. Con claims that it is baseless to say that Vice Admirals would put up a good fight against Madara, despite the fact that they are above pre-timeskip Luffy. It has been uncontested that Luffy can react to lightning and move at that speed. His strength is also enormous, yet Vice Admirals are superior to Luffy in nearly every physical aspect, and they would thus give Madara trouble. R4) SpeedI gave a scan where WB was ordering his men to run away while he stayed behind. In other words, he wouldn't have moved toward them until Ace got killed; however, even if he was right behind Akainu the entire time, the fact that he was able to move his fists faster than Akainu can react is still a testament to his speed. Con claims I made a non-sequitur by stating that WB has faster than lightning reactions, but this is actually something we saw in the manga. I will repeat myself again. Kizaru was able to turn into light faster than Luffy could react, yet WB was able to react and move fast enough to stop Kizaru turning into light. WB wasn't just able to fight against the admirals and vice admirals, but he was able to keep up with them. Ignoring the speed feats, Con offers an alterantive with little to no evidence that WB has "other means of compensating for their speed. "Even if what Con claims is true, then he can use those same methods to keep up with Madara, who is not as fast as the admirals or vice admirals. It should be noted that, unlike myself, Con has never given any evidence for how fast Madara is. He has just stated that Madara is faster than WB. R5) JutsuElemental Jutsu: Con ignores my refutation. I stated that WB had to deal with thousands of bullets, canons, and enemies everywhere, which is why he got hit. Here, he will only have to deal with one enemy and far less projectiles, so he will not get hit. After all, WB has shown impressive reaction and speed feats. Levitation: How would Madara be able to get out of the way? He would have nowhere to fly, as the quakes can travel in multiple directions, and they are too fast for him to fly away from. In fact, this problem applies to Madara while he is on the ground, too. Con drops the fact that Madara would be more vulnerable in the air. Clones: If he uses multiple clones and then makes them use Susano'o, he will quickly deplete his chakra levels. He did not have to worry about this in the source Con sited, since he was in edo-tensei and he had infinite chakra. Now, however, he has a limited amount of chakra. It has already been proven that WB's quakes can travel too fast for Madara in all directions, and since clones are weaker than Madara himself, they will be destroyed by the quakes. Sharingan & RinneganSusano'o, Regeneration, & Deva Path: Con claims that alone, none of these can stop WB's quakes, but together, Madara can survive; however, Madara barely uses the Deva Path to begin with. There's nothing to suggest that he'd do so in this fight, unless he was significantly damaged and realized that WB was a very powerful opponent. At that point, of course, it'd be too late. It's even more questionable if Madara will use all 3 powers in conjuction with one another, as he has never shown anything of this sort. If he did, however, it'd probably quickly deplete his chakra supplies, meaning he'd lose the battle. Even if they were used all together, it's questionable if it'd be enough to stop WB's quakes. Only Susano'o and the Deva Path would actually work together to stop the quakes, but it's clear that WB's power far surpasses anything either of them has shown (as he was able to split an entire island), even combined together. The regeneration would heal Madara from WB's attacks, but if the quakes actually hit Madara, they will do so much damage that regeneration will take too long for Madara to recover, allowing WB to finish him off. Of course, WB could simply spam his quakes on Madara, quickly breaking anything he has. Con may claim that WB has not been shown to do this very much, but then again, Madara hasn't been shown at all to use all 3 powers in conjuction with one another, let alone the Deva Path by itself. I'm simply responding to an unlikely tactic with one that is more likely to happen. Amaterasu: I have already explained that, in comparison to the damage WB has gained throughout the war, Amaterasu is not as damaging (e. g. Akainu's magma is far hotter than Amaterasu). Con mostly agrees with this, only saying that it will eventually wear WB down, but this is under the assumption that:1. WB will get hit (he is too fast).2. WB will not use armaments haki as a shield. It will be too difficult for Madara to dodge WB's extremely fast quakes and maintain control over Amaterasu. Trying to levitate at the same time would be even more difficult. R7) IntelligenceCon states that detecting and avoiding a trap isn't the same as being able to come up with a battle strategy. They are not the same, but both demonstrate equal tactical intelligence. In fact, one could argue that detecting and making a plan to avoid a trap is a superior form of intelligence, as it requires two parts. Conclusion:It has been uncontested or conceded that:- WB is far stronger than Madara- WB has displayed superior feats of durability and stamina- Sensory abilities, genjutsu, and chakra absorption are useless I've proved that, even when WB is sick:- WB is superior in all major physical aspects (strength, speed, durability, and stamina) and his strength is above even the feats he's shown, as he was holding back so he wouldn't hurt his crewmates (proven in round 2)- Madara's defenses and speed are inadaquate block or avoid WB's attacks- WB's armaments haki can be used to defend against Madara's techniques or strengthen his own attacks- WB's intelligence is at least the level of Madara, if not more- Madara will probably run out of chakra using the tactics Con providesAnd considering the rules of the debate:- WB has observation haki, allowing him to know Madara's moves- WB's physical stats will further be amplified, as he will not be hindered by sickness Consequentially, there is a very high probability that WB will win in a fight against Madara.