Beauty is Objective

"Instigator this topic is about Beauty is Objective"Yes, I am aware, thanks."1)Instigator agree Beauty is Objective 1.a)Instigator have strongly agreed there is definitely a mass basic idea of what beauty is which cause by media . he even supported us with plethora of sources concerning how the ideal body type for women has changed massively over time from the media." ?.... Right. Ideal body type for women has changed massively over time by the media. This means that "beauty" depends on people's biases. You could also say, that beauty "is in the eye of the beholder". The fact that ideal body type for women has changed so much throughout history means that beauty depends on people's biases/interpetations. There is no beauty inherent in the women, otherwise it wouldn't change over time. So, beauty is subjective. I've explained this several times already."2) Objective is relation Subjective beauty only may exist true as a Subjective when only its a Objective . you have agreed beauty is a Subjective, therefore you also agree Objective Beauty exist."With all due respect, this doesn't make any sense. Yes, beauty is subjective. Non sequitur that objective beauty exists. And subjective and objective are opposing, contradictory concepts. To say that they have "relation" makes no sense. And this is a bare assertion, why is it that "beauty only may exist true as a Subjective when only its a Objective"?"2.1) please read it clear, we are talking about "Beauty" Objective or Subjective from your define. as from your claim of "human are subjective or objective" will be another topic."Well, you are the one who brought up the issue, but ok. I didn't make any claim, it's just the definition of subject and object. I think you are getting these difficulties from a lack of understanding of English?... In the sentence, "The dog bit the man", the dog is the subject, and the man is the object. This extends to "subjective" and "objective". Subjective would hold that the beauty is inherent in the the subject, or the observer, which is human(s) in this case. Objective would hold that the beauty is inherent in the object, or the thing being observed, regardless of the state of mind of the subject, or observer. This isn't an argumentative claim, this is just basic grammar. Humans COULD be the object; in my example sentence, the man is the object. But we are talking about humans observing, so they are the subjects. And I never said "humans are subjective", I said they are the subjects in the situations we are talking about."2.2) how could you only conclusion that beauty are only pleasing to the observer? this is a fully self conception claim."I don't know what you mean by "self-conception claim"."All supporting sources from Instigator link on round 3 show us that , in his tiny view Beauty is equal to all about female body shape,sexy human from the media, with sources of topic titles such as Female_body_shape, Hollywood hotties? How To Look Skinny in Pictures? LOL . debate is totally pointless to carry as Instigator view Beauty as only female body shape."This is largely just a personal attack, but I'll respond. My "tiny view" is not that beauty is all about female body shape. That was one of my examples in my initial argumentative post. I also talked about how music has changed over time, which you continue to ignore. I also mentioned art, but that can be grouped in with music; they have both developed pretty similarly. So, this just further shows your strange unwillingness to respond to anything except for my female body shape argument. If anyone is obsessed with female body shape, it's you.