torture

Before we can get into any situational involved with torture we need to establish common ground with several things I addressed in round 1. 1. We are yet to even agree on a definition of torture, you claim "Torture is the intentional infliction of physical and/or mental suffering on someone without one"s permission." I do not agree with definition. As previously stated Merriam- Webster"s Definition of torture is "something that causes mental or physical suffering : a very painful or unpleasant experience". This is a more accurate definition. 2. You claim torture is related to breaking ones will. Torture does not guarantee results and is widely ineffective. To think torturing a man will break his will is invalid and an example of flying by instict. "I will torture him" "Therefore he will confess". Recently the U.S government released the "Torture Report" which has drawn virtually ZERO postive feedback in regards to the effectiveness of torture. After reading this official government document (The Torture Report) pertaining to many REAL terrorists former U.S army interrogator Mike Ritz claims " "Now we know without any doubt that these techniques don"t work,". Torture does not break ones will but apparently ones will must be broken in order to gain a confession. To further point out the ineffectivness of torture former presidential candidate and former prisoner of war John McCain, a man who has been tortured claims "I know from personal experience that the abuse of prisoners will produce more bad than good intelligence. I know that victims of torture will offer intentionally misleading information if they think their captors will believe it. I know they will say whatever they think their torturers want them to say if they believe it will stop their suffering." A high level political figure who has experienced torture first hand claims it is ineffective. 3. If you want to play situationals play this one out. A man witnesses a kidnapping, claims a young boy was abducted by a man dressed in black driving black sedan east on a major highway. Police only an hour later pull over a man dressed in black, driving a black sedan east on said major highway. There is no boy in the car but the man fits the description perfectly giving the police probable cause. The alleged kidnapper claims he was on his way to surpise his long time girlfriend and that he knows nothing about a kdnapping but with no witnesses or anyone to confirm his allaby the police do not believe it. The police believe they have their man, they are no longer searching for the black sedan but they are searching for the boy along the stretch of highway. The police begin to torture the alleged kidnapper and after 12 hours the alleged kidnapper can no longer take it, he confesses and claims the boys at a gas station. Before the police get to the proclaimed gas station a call from the state police 2 states over to the east confirms they found the boy and his captor, dead. The innocent man who has been subject to torture for over 12 hours confessed to a crime he had no part in because of how horrible he was treated. The boy is dead, the perpetrator is dead and the alleged subject is so destroyed mentally that he commits suicide because of the HORROR he experience in police custody. This man gave up false information just to make the pain stop and the boy was killed, leaving the torture ineffective. This situation leaves two innocent dead bodies and not only shows the ineffectiveness and unreliability of torture but also how it damages a person"s mind and can easily ruin their life. 4.This claim is simply unnecessary. 5.As previously stated torture has been deemed highly ineffective and unreliable. After 9/11 the U.S government instated the patriot act among other things in order to PREVENT a hypothetical nuclear bomb. The united states government has foiled many terror plots as reported by CNN. The patriot act has stripped the American people of some of their rights in order to prevent terrorism and to prevent he use of torture. 6.I need you to redefine "Morally justified" because your original definition is far to vague. 7. Within premise 7 of your original argument you stated, "It must be accepted in some cases such as to gain information, and/or to terrorize some political group to save the guiltless lives." I am unaware of the "IT" you are referring to. 8. You claim torture should be done in the utmost emergencies well The U.N. Universal Declaration of Human Rights disagrees with you. Article 5 of the U.N. Universal Declaration of Human Rights says quite simply, "No one shall be subjected to torture or to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment." 9. To torture someone is to treat them as less than human, to treat someone as less than human will never be morally acceptable, not even in the minimalist sense.