The Bible teaches a literal 1,000-yr future earthly reign by Jesus in Jerusalem

A.1 The church of Jesus exists to this day, there's a very specific reason why people refer to churches as the house of God. Paul talks about the church and it's unity a lot in his letters. Also the crucifixion of Christ was not unexpected it was prophesied A.2 Christ is currently reigning as king in the same sense as He has always ruled, but not in the 1000 year rein sense. A.3 It is a literal vision. My first contention is simple That 1,000 year reign is literal because the book of revelation says it is, in the court of law you never assume fraud or inaccuracy from a testimony unless the one testifying contradicts him or her self or other evidence that is more reliable shows a clear contradiction. You do claim contradictions but my re-butal will show how they fall short of their objective. The passages gives us reason to believe that the 1,000 year reign hasn't come yet because of the specific verses in context. Beggining of book Rev 1: "1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show His servants—things which must shortly take place. And He sent and signified it by His angel to His servant John, 2 who bore witness to the word of God, and to the testimony of Jesus Christ, to all things that he saw. Important things to highlight are "to show his servants" and "things which must shortly take place". Also at the end of the second verse we see past tense but in context, Christ is passing on what He saw and in the same fashion John is passing on what he see's to us in the book of revelations. `Then at the end Rev 22:18 "For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book; 19 and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.20 He who testifies to these things says, 'Surely I am coming quickly.' Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus! 21 The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen." Obviously it is a vision. None of what John is seeing has happened yet. He is seeing in real time what "must shortly take place." and Christ is "coming quickly". Which means it hasn't happened yet. Not to mention we know then end is consistent because it just like most people do in a debate is it re-iterates it's objective with the end. 2nd Contention This might be a youtube video but all I really need to do with my second contention is give examples that allow us to believe that end times prophecy is still being fulfilled. youtube.com/watch?v=dN2c_uHJROQ&list=FL1XrOuCy0nWhy4cS1i51ezw&index=20&feature=plpp_video [Rebuttal] Starting from the top and working my way down. In your first contention you mention a time period, As far as I am concerned the only mention of time is the word "day's" which is only used once. Daniel 2:44 "And in the days of these kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom which shall never be destroyed;" You begin your contention with special emphasis on "kings of the fourth worldwide empire" I will ask my first question at this first point. Could you name for me the first, second and third empire? This is relevant because in order for Rome to be the fourth empire as you assume it is you need to have 1-3. Unless you can name 1-3 you can't claim Rome to be the 4th. I would also like to say that to this day we have kings they may be figure heads. In fact today there are about 45 nations that call someone a monarch, they might not have the same influence today as they did but king's still techincally exist. This is relevant because this could mean we are technically in a time of kings. I would also like to point out that Rome never actually had a "king" The roman empire had three stages the first known as the "Roman Kingdom" but even in the case of the Roman Kingdom the Senate had the power to Elect Kings.[1]It wasn't till Rome became corrupt in the third stage that all power really went to the emperor, and Rome only got weaker in its final stage. In fact the senators were elected by buisness owners Rome really was the early version of the United States. This is relevant because Rome might not actually count as an empire of kings. Not to mention Rome did not technically rule the world, it ruled the known world. The U.S has much more Global reach today. 1. http://en.wikipedia.org... (sry I used wikipedia the source for it seemed to be a book) Later on you say "You will not be living and reigning with Christ in any millenium" You are correct (possibly depends on when Christ returns and on how long a I live I could get deployed) However my rebuttal to that whole bit is pretty much simply this I've gathered that you are a christian even if you hold a preterist view. I live with Christ now, in fact if you are a christian you do too, however He clearly is not physically here He lives with you spiritually. In the same way so can the spirits of the be-headed. In fact none of what you say in any of that really contradicts my position. I will clarify that Rev 20: 4-5 does not prevent me from living with Christ for a millenia in the new earth mentioned in Rev 21:1 and if we are following the chapter in left to right top to bottom, chronological order . Then the new heaven takes place after the reign of Christ and after the final defeat of Satan. So I do get to live with Christ (: And then... Oh boy Time for Star Trek You said " A proposed 2,000-year gap between (1) the writing of the Apocalypse and (2) the beginning of the millenium contradicts the ordinary and literal "shortly come to pass" in Rev 1: 1" Shortly and Nearly are not nearly the same, as specifically saying take a 5 minute(break), 30minute(lunch) or an 8 hour sleep. I'm sure you would agree. So please follow this next comparison, We(humans) are linear beings which means we live.... and then die. We have a Past, Present, and Future. In the first or second episode of "Deep Space 9" the Commander runs into a race of creature that can't even comprehend a linear existence and almost kill him for mentioning one. They don't live like we do. If you are a Christian you have to acknowledge that God is infinite. He has to be our universe could not have been created by something with a beggining because then it could not have began anything else without first beggining itself and if it had a beggining what began it? We eventually reach the point as a Christian (or agnostic) that if there is a God it has to have no beggining. Much like the race in "Deep Space 9" God is not a linear being like we are. Obviously He can comprehend a linear existence because He created it, but He does not adhere to it like we do. A short time to something that doesn't care about Past, Present, or Future could be a very long time to a linear being. So that point doesn't contradict me ether. The next one is only worse first of all what happened to Christ was 100% expected the first prophesy of the birth death and resurrection of Christ was in Genesis [2] and you can't forget the prophet Isaiah, the Jew's essentially had no choice but to crucify Christ, also what Christ did wasn't failure. Without Christ's curcifixion their wouldn't of been a great commision. Without that grace, I as a gentile would be condemned to hell. I am very greatful for the crucifixion of Jesus Christ. Even though I don't deserve it. 2.youtube.com/watch?v=HUs8f-lphec You said: "3. The pre-millennial theory contradicts certain OT prophesies regarding the church - it "postpones" them - but a prophesy with a stated time element cannot be postponed or else it was just an incorrect prophesy to start with." Again your "time element" theory is not so rock solid day's is not so specific. I will die in day's does not mean I will die this week. 2 day's is a number of day's as much as 3000 day's.