The societal wisdom of Socialism is undeniable.

"You've already lost points here by proving your best defense is to google the definition of a word and try to point to it as if it invalidates the terminology I have set for my position." Lol, I've 'lost points' for using the dictionary definition of words many times.... and yes a well-respected dictionary definition does invalidate made up terminology. "That assumes the laborer is able to operate fairly in a market and has equal status and options to the person who owns the capital. The fact is that he does not. He makes the trade because he has no choice. There's a term for this. Wage slavery. According to your ideology, this is moral."It assumes the laborer is free to choose the greater value to himself. He is. He has a choice as you yourself pointed out. He can work or die. Status and options are red herrings. Capitalism respects no status but contracts you consented to. Promises no options but those offered to you willingly by others. The rules are the same for the laborer and the capitalist unless they agree to change them with their own signature.Wage slavery is a contradiction in terms. You can't enslave a man by offering him a job he may refuse, slavery means you do not give someone the choice."Let's look at the deal then. When I was working at Walmart..." Irrelevant, if you did not feel Walmart’s offer was worth it you did not have to take it. The fact that you did means you believed you would get more out of that interaction then you put in. "Theft is immoral you say? That surely explains why Robin Hood and Zorro are heroes."Robin Hood stole from the tax collectors... and if he stole from innocent people for the crime of being wealthy he is no hero of mine."Capitalism is inherently immoral. I look forward to seeing your replies claiming Jesus is wrong."Jesus is wrong, only capitalism is moral."The capitalist didn't build it. The People did. The Laborers did."If that were true then why did they give it to the capitalist?"In this sense, he is a parasite. If he expects to own the whole industry, then he has to work every part, do every job." In no sense is he a parasite because he paid agreed upon wages to all who helped him. There is a word for a project or endeavor where one man is not simply paying others to help him with his private project, where they are all contributing to a jointly owned entity. The word is corporation. If laborers are the ones who built an industry all they have to do is incorporate their efforts and capitalism will recognize their shared ownership of that industry. We both know why that doesn't happen, the laborers can't build the industry by themselves. They would need pre-existing resources to do it. "As to your attack on Jesus and claim that greed is good, you're in the extreme minority there."I'm used to it. Besides which don't forget that I have wrapped 'greed' up in the term 'liberty' and will not unshroud it any time soon."And now you're trying to find a moral reason to support it."No, I am rejecting your moral condemnation of it."Except you're penalized for it. You lose a market advantage, and from a dispassionate economic standpoint, there is no value in generosity because it hurts your profits." What utter bull @$&*. No you are not penalized for it. When you give something away you don't have it anymore; that is an economic loss in any system under the sun. "Last I checked, it was the white colonists who were big on murder, while among themselves, there were relatively few conflicts with other tribes. Those were based over access, and not ownership." Check again, there was continuous fighting amongst the powerful tribes as far back as anyone can tell. They had the idea of ownership just fine, just collective ownership where the collective was personified in the chief or medicine man. No different from any other feudal/monarchist human culture. They killed the colonist just the same as they kill each other, over land they claimed as their own. "How do you possibly think that? Rights are a construct of society. Without society, they do not exist. Ergo, there are no natural rights."They are not a construct of society they are code of behavior logically implied by values universal to self-aware creatures with free will and self-chosen values. They have no dependence on society, or even on species.Everything else that comes from society or God or what not is an arbitrary imitation."And that scares you, you don't want to give up your dangerous ideology."You're right I'm scared, I am furious at how things are and afraid they will get worse. Fear drives men to do things that should make other men afraid as well."Equality scares you." Not equality of rights, only the mindless belief that economic equality trumps any objective right to freedom. "Considering the billions upon billions of humans in history who have valued the monarchy, or the theocracy, or the dictator, or any concentration of power over 'liberty,' that's a large number of values you don't like recognizing."Consider then that they all choose to value monarchy, theocracy, a dictator, or any other concentration of power."You see, you have a choice. You can promote 'liberty,' or you can promote public interest. Choosing liberty is placing yourself over others. Choosing public interest is putting others over yourself. However, in your world, selflessness is bad."In my world liberty is ultimate. I don't care what implications you draw from that."The last time I checked, the goal of state ownership of capital isn't to give starving workers in hovels satellite tv, gold toilets, and fine china. The goal is to give them food, healthcare, a place to live, heat in the winter and cooling in the summer, an education for their children, and the freedom from want required for such things." Food, healthcare, and a place to live are all privileges. What makes them so is the fact that the only moral way to get them is get someone to agree to give them to you. A privilege is a benefit which is only morally had by the consent of those from which it originates. Food is a privilege extended by farmers. Healthcare by doctors. A place to live by architects, construction workers, and all those professions which acquire building materials. They are no different in principle gold toilets just because you need them to live but not gold toilets. "The needs of the many outweigh the wants of the few." The liberty of the one outweighs the wants of all. "No misery there due to capitalism."I agree."You mean like being threatened to be fired?"No like being threatened with imprisonment and having your property and money carted off. "You let them hold us at gunpoint."Shouldn't try to steal things if you don't want to be held at gunpoint. As it happens the government is the one with the guns and they hold the capitalist at gun point for protection money, and they don't even protect them from the likes of you."Also, I'm curious how old you are and what your life experience is. Right now I'm guessing teenager or senile old man"I am guessing you are fishing for an ad hominem, appeal to circumstance fallacy.