Abortion Is Murder!

The proof of the fact that a fetus isn't life is drawn directly from your specific argument. I stated that it is scientifically established that up until 4 weeks into the pregnancy a fetus doesn't have a heart or brain, both of which you stated were the exact qualifications for life. I haven't even suggested a definition for "life" or "murder". Rather, I simply used your particular words and showed that they cause an inherent contradiction with your actual philosophy and claim that "Abortion Is Murder!" There is no fathomable logical way you can deny the clear flaw in your argument since you essentially define life as not starting until 4 weeks (i.e. when the "human brain and heart" develop) yet say abortion is still murder before then. I will allow you to reframe your argument or redefine your terms, but in the service of maintaining the integrity of this debate and forum, I would implore you to not dig so deeply into your values that you ignore the unspoken rules of logical discourse. Beyond that, your contention is that "Abortion Is Murder!" not that "Abortion Is *Unjustified* Murder!" Surely you must see that the well-being of the mother does not change the issue of whether the fetus is alive and therefore being murdered based on your specific definition of ending the "life" of any being with a "human brain and heart". Using your logic, even if the fetus being born were to lead to the destruction of the entire human race, it would still be the ending of the existence of something with a human brain and heart and so, though likely justified, still murder. You can look directly to the U.S. justice system for further evidence of this. Killing another person in self-defense is known legally as "justifiable homicide." Yes justifiable, but still homicide...still murder. If you'd like to move the proverbial goal posts and reframe your argument as one stating that abortions are objectively immoral and unjustified unless the mother will be killed in their absence, that is certainly a course we can take. However, if not, I feel the only appropriate response would be forfeiture. While we're on the topic, I have a few additional questions: - Would you support abortions if the baby is going to leave the mother in a coma or persistent vegetative state for the rest of their life? - Would you support abortions if the baby is going to kill 3 people but not the mother? - Would you support abortions if the baby is going to financially ruin the mother and lead to a downward spiral composed of drug abuse and homelessness? - Would you support abortions if the baby was likely to grow up and commit genocide? I'd be very interested what your thoughts are. **In summary, you asked for evidence that a fetus isn't life, but I provided it to you based on your own definition stating that anything with a "human brain and heart" is alive, seeing as human brains and hearts don't develop until at least week 4 of pregnancy. I further showed that it seems you actually are arguing whether/when abortions are justified, rather than claiming they are unilaterally "murder". Finally, I decided to assume you are logical enough to realize your original contention was inexorably defeated and posed a few hypothetical questions to see where you stand on the debate of when abortion is justified.** Have a great night!