DDO vs Edb8

Well this should be a great debate. Thanks to Larz for accepting it. better - of superior suitability, advisability, desirability, acceptableness, etc.; preferable: This a debate about which site is better, not about which site has the potential to be better. Which site is better is directly referring to which site is of better quality currently so lets get it poppinC1) Higher Quality DebatesIn terms of debaters there is virtually no comparison between the two sites. There are a few active debaters on edb8 that do some good debates, but the quality of DDO debaters is on a higher level. Just for reference we have Bluesteel, Thett3, Bsh1, Raisor , Whiteflame, Roy, 16k, Zaradi, Tylergraham, Danielle, and many more. That is just some of the people on the top of the list, and most of those are trained in formal debate. The only one that sticks out on Edb8 which is ironically my adversary, who happens to be an amazing debater.Bluesteel, Thett3, Bsh, Whiteflame , Raisor, Zaradi, and Tyler are all formally trained debaters that generate high quality debates all the time. The others in that list along with many more are nearly as good or even just as good as some of the people that are formally trained. Roy has beaten most of the people out of the top members who are formally trained, and so has Danielle and neither of them have formal debate experience. A good way to gauge this is to look at the tournament my adversary ran last year, which was the World Online Debate Cup. Both BSH and Ajab (DDO members won the tournament ) [1] . Both of these were the two most serious contenders from DDO, with other users such as whiteflame and bluesteel not even participating. Even my adversaries own custom tournament highlights the high quality members on DDO and that was only two of them. A) Active Membership Even Edb8s own formula has them listed at only 334 active members currently [2], with only a little over 200 completed debates. DDO gets anywhere from 10 to 30 thousand visitors a day, with an active user base in the thousands. ( The active user base of Edb8 is also inflated, 300 is not really active, but what is considered active" ). One visit to the forums and debate section will confirm this. Just in terms of sheer traffic and users that come to the respective sites, DDO is dominating edb8 on every possible levelB) Users on Edb8Some of the users on edb8 are harbored members that have been banned from DDO for generating poor conduct and content. Jifpop being one of the few. If they are banned from multiple sites for poor conduct, and then go to another site, the logical conclusion is to assume they are going to generate poor content. This lowers the content on edb8 when compared to DDO.C) Summary of C1P1 ) A site with more active members will generate more materialP2) DDO Has more active members by a substantial marginC) On Balance DDO will generate more materialP3) A site with more quality members will generate better quality materialP4) DDO has more quality members by a substantial margin C1) On balance DDO will generate higher quality material C2) Net worthSadly a site is also gauged by the value of it. This is also no comparison. In terms of what site is better net worth plays an important roll in determining what site on balance is "better" or of greater quality.This number fluctuates but most online sites that gauge the profitability of a site put Edb8 at less than 100 dollars[1], while DDO is over $200,000[4]. The quality of something can easily be determined by price. As a 2 dollar bill has more value than a one dollar bill. When you equate the sites in terms of which has more value from a business standpoint, DDO far surpasses edb8 on any comprehensible level in this regardC3) Types of debateEdb8 strictly focuses on formal debate, while DDO focuses on formal and informal debate. There are both formal and informal debates on DDO which caters to all types of users. Some people like to debate, and generate good quality content but do not like a formal setting and just enjoy the discussion aspect of it. Edb8s forums are hardly used, and even the debate structure itself is based strictly on a formal setting. DDO has debates that can be both fun and formal, it embraces all types of users and just does not focus on one specific aspect of debate. This in turn ties back into my C1 impacts, and attracts more members which then in turn increases the quality of the site just in sheer volume alone. The more members you attract , the better chance you have of getting high quality members. The more high quality members product higher quality material on the site. Tie this back into C1 and set it to an infinite regressionC4) Features and AspectsEdb8 strictly has the forums and debate section, both of which are basically dead. DDO has the same material and does it better. We have the polls and opinions section. This alone generates thousands of users on a day to day basis which in turn we gain membership from. Again tie this back into C1. Any feature that generates a high user base attracts more members. Out of the members that are attracted, you will eventually gain a high quality member. Tie this back into C1 and run it as a infinite regression. C5) User generated contentAgain DDO is winning on this. We have members that contribute to member praise threads, fan fics, and many other types of user generated content in the forum. One that specifically sticks out is mafia which draws a gigantic crowd to the site. This may seem needless but it serves a needed purposeC5A) The user generated content on the site does a variety of things. It not only stimulate people into participating and drawing new members to the site who then in turn contribute to the value of it, but it also sustains the membership we have. Some people get bored with debate. When people get bored with debate they then have nothing to do. When they have nothing to do they leave. Edb8 suffers from this problem. The difference in DDO and edb8 is that DDO sustains the membership because of the user generated content. If someone gets bored with debate, they are not simply going to leave the site. They are going to hop on google hangouts and chill, or go play mafia, or even write a fan fic or go make a game. This enables people to have downtime and keeps people active and interested in DDOC6) Social SettingThe social setting on DDO is also miles ahead of DDO. As I said we have mafia, Google hangouts, messages that are active, the polls and opp section, along with countless threads that stimulate a social atmosphere. All the social interaction and features on DDO ties back into my point about stimulating and maintaining a membership base which then in turn feeds back into my c1 point about generating content. ConclusionAll in all DDO is a better website. Larz may argue that his site is better at doing what it's intended to do which is formal debate, but that is not what this debate is about. This is a debate about which site is better from an on balance perspective, and there is virtually no comparison. DDO has a social setting, formal debate atmosphere, less formal debate atmosphere, more features, games, a more active user base, and generates better content. When comparing the two, as I said there is no comparison. Sources[1] http://www.debate.org...[2] http://www.edeb8.com...[3] http://www.netvaluator.com...[4] http://www.netvaluator.com...