Superman would beat Batman in a fight to the death.

Batman killed Darkside, an immortal. It’s a hard sell to try and underscore the level of preparedness that is the batman. Batman also defeates Ra’s Al Ghul all the time, another Immortal. Anyway I said I would cover the other methods this round so pressing on…. M3: you start out with ‘superman can fly faster than the speed of light’. Even if that’s so that does not indicate he battles at the speed of light. Even assuming because he has dropped morals does not fix this as there are numerous battles with villains on power levels like his or above his (darkside for example) with no disclaimer of ‘this whole battle takes place too fast to see with the naked eye). Unless your like the flash who’s powers specialize in speed specifically in connection to the Speed Force, you have to slow down to think, aim, ect… for battle. Otherwise you would see superman fight that way more often. But like I said superman can just run faster than a ‘locomotive’. That’s what the oldest comics say. Your just picking your favorite cannon to gauge his powers. If you wanted to you could say superman leaves earth forever, blows out sun and batman dies without ever coming face to face with superman who flew off to planet Oa or somewhere else like that. No writer would put supermans powers at that godlike level though these days. It’s a great big deal about those inconsistencies as it shows whats ‘Canon’ in the comics is super subject to change and is not even in the fictional sense ‘logical’ all the time. With the very recent events of ‘Flashpoint’ where Zoom changes history and Flash fights to change it back, when its all fixed and done its not done without changes, like superman not being married anymore. It means another retcon occurred. It means there is no ground for defending you know the degree of power Clark has if it’s as fast a train or a bullet or the speed of light or if clark could enter the speed force now all by himself. Do note also Flash who is considered faster than superman in any canon was cut down by Slade Wilson in Brad Metzlers ‘Identidy Crisis’. Ollie said he ‘fought like Batman’ and was prepared for what flash would do before he did it, so it did not matter that he did it quickly. You state that if 2 supermans fought the resulting clash would destroy the planet. That is retarded. When superman famously died like a MORTAL, it was from a pure beatdown by Doomsday, and his powers where not weakened at all for that fight. If his and Doomsday’s fight only manage to shatter widnows but not the planet, a superman on superman fight would not do more than that. Also Good always triumphs over bad. Case in point, Ultraman Vs Superman is basically the very battle we are talking about. Superman has won in that instance before, it only makes sense he would win as good in this case too. So yes the Good superman would win. Prometheus and Deathstroke are ruthless versions of Batman and arguably have more power yet Batman has beaten them before in the past, heck Bruces sidekicks Tim and Dick have wiped the floor with them in the Teen Titan Comics. You say black kryptonite could affect humans. Well then batman would just use it covertly in his batbots. Fiegning would be Clarks biggest mistake. You cant fool batman. While Clark pretends to be dead batman finishes the job with armor piercing kryptonite batarangs. Superman is not prepared enough to go find slow-kyptonite like batman is and would have to take a ton of time searching to find it. “but hes fast…” I know but that changes nothing. Every comic it takes superman time to just look for criminals on the planet, and now your asking him to run everywhere looking for an obscure rock. All this while trying to escape the pull of Magno-kryptonite that batman has placed in his bat bot. Lead or no lead suit, his face is generally exposed and batman does not miss. Also how does kryptonite smell different from any other rock? If you cant answer this you point about smell does not mean anything. M4: Method 4 really adds too any and all the methods not just kryptonight. Superman dosent want to come into the cave? He’s going to have to as that’s where the controller of the batbots attaking him outside the cave is. Kill superman with a red sunlight radiation gun? Equip it to a bat bot It puts the distance kill argument to a rest on supermans part. Needs time to apply kryptonite, armor piercing bataranges. Bat bot distraction. Generates Canary level noise generation could be equipped to these bots. Fly in formation making an unexpected makeshift forced teleporter, taking Clark to Kandor or the batcave. M5: You say superman would not come to the Cave. That’s were its going to have to happen if Batman tacticfully chooses to wait there, with Lois tied up no less, threatening to rape her. And then doing it... You hinged your case also on ‘Batman would need to know where such places are…’ so it fails. Of course he knows where they are, He’s The Batman. You don’t think he has ever looked at maps of the cosmos, memorized important planets and wich have red suns? He’s studied up on everything. You questioned if batman could make red sunlight generating tech, even you know this must be a weak case or you would not have started with ‘superman would not be dumb enough to enter the cave’ cause he would get killed there by your own admission. Its just a kind of radiation. And through the league there has been access to all sorts of futuristic otherworldly tech for Bruce. To quote strait out of Brad Metzlers Identity Crisis when Green Arrow talks about the security JLA famly members have had sense Batgirls being crippled, he said it was made up of “Thanagarian, Martian, Apokoliptian, and Kryptionian technology. Plus the Really Scary Crap Bruce Invented.” The Apokoliptians have Motherbox technology and Green Arrow is more afraid of what Batman Invented. Says a lot. You ask why has red sunlight tech not been mentioned in stories as something that batman can use on superman hypothetically? Because the Kryptonight ring is the special symbolic achilese heal of Clarks that he gave to Bruce to use on him if he’s mind controlled cause is Torquam Vo sucks. They don’t need to go into to detail about his exploiting the Red Sunlight Weakness as Kryptonight is enough hands down for writers to say Batman could beat him if he had too. I concead M6 Immunity to toxins: your right you have little reason to doubt my word. the imunity is shown in the same scean as teh armpit pocket for antidote. Bruce tells the monk "I've Faced Experts, Lunatics, Artists whoxpress their fellings through deadly toxins. I carry antidotes fo all the poisons I'm not immune to. Ican usually improvise if I'm faced with something unfamiliar" seriously though buy Grant Morrisons R.I.P. Its pretty much the greatest comic read ever. 'were were batmans fail proof plans then....' i thought you would bring that up. like Time drakes age, they were ignored at the convience of the DC comic editors. pass it off as batman holding back and Clark not if you must. For purposes of this debate you stated its assumed they both had time to prepare of some kind, so no suprises for the bats this time and his ability to defeate the man of steel can be considered at a peak that was not present in that comic. "you didnt touch on the fight with superman controled by ivy..." Pass that off to Batman underscoring his talents. This is a good example of one of those inconsistancies in comics that just has to be ignored in light of everything else thats shown in the comics. "that other fight I mentioned..." superman lost in it, and batman had the prep time which you said he's alloted in this fight except cut loose without morals. if you think brute strenth cut loose is bad, consider how much scaryer master intelect that matches wits with genious villians on a daily basis cut loose would be like. I've listed plenty of ways that recreates the sunlight problem except in greater degrees.