Christianity

>>several problems ... differ many missionaries have stood up left everything and gone to a country to help those less fortunate. There is a rather massive difference between leaving everything and selling all your stuff and giving the money to the poor. Secondly, I wouldn't agree that they all do good. A number of missionaries are primarily focused on "saving souls" rather than helping people. One of the best examples of this in recent years has been Mother Teresa. She established a large number of "hospitals" where people would come, suffer, and die without aid. The suffering was thought to bring them closer to Christ. That's not a benefit to society, in fact, it's remarkably disturbing. >>"you have devouged into what i asked you not to in the first piece as to not bring humanities flaws into this." I categorically disagree. If I were saying that Hitler was Christian and therefore the evil things he did arose out of Christianity, that would be over the line. There's nothing about Hitler's Christianity which lead him to do the things he did (although a lot of the antisemitism does find their origins with Luther). I am arguing that the authorities who ran the crusades were justified by the Bible. If they do not bow before Christ, burn them. I come not to bring peace but a sword. Throw them into the fire as you would a branch. The strangers who exist around you will make for good slaves. It is an abomination, their death is upon them. There's a very direct line between what the Bible says, the believers who believed it, and the atrocities they committed. The only flaw of humanity here is that some feel the Bible is to be believed. >>"Jesus says here he was sent to bring fire but instead of condeming us he is going to baptize us and save us from hell yahh sounds good to me." Save us from hell? There's no such thing as hell and if there were then your creator God would have created it. Your god might as well be an abusive father who feel really bad that you forced him to use the baseball bat. However, if you love him and obey him... he won't have to. >>this verse is just saying those that dont live in jesus are going to hell hmm and unless you abide in him your going to burn in hell No. It specifically says "and men gather them, and cast them into the fire". It isn't talking about the heaven and hell con game. It's talking about people gathering up people, and burning them. If not, it's vague enough that believers did exactly that. >>>>1.No other gods before me. >>ok makes since he is all power full controlls every thing we should worship him This is because the ten commandments were originally a henotheistic doctrine and demanded primacy among all the other gods. It doesn't say, 'I'm the only God, worship me'... it says 'worship me first and don't have other gods before me'. >>2. no idols >>>>ok why not we already have an all power full god. since your an athiest this should be fine It doesn't say "no idols" it says anybody who draws a picture of anything on land sea or air is going to be condemned for four generations. Beyond the obvious problems of punishing children for the crimes of their parents. This makes a crime out of drawing a picture of a fish. We don't already have an all-powerful God. There's no reason to suppose there is a God. >>>>3. you shall not miss use the name of god in vain. >>well ok we shouldnt be vain any ways No. No matter how you use the name of God it is always in vain; there is no God. No matter how you use it, it's in vain. Further, you're equivocating the idea of using a name in vain to personally being vain. And, this is a pretty bad translation to boot. It should be use the name of God in a vain oath or a false oath. It isn't just "don't say god", it means "don't swear to God that you'll do something and then not do it." It seems to be a contract system above all. >>4. rember the sabbath refer to #1 and its not dont work at all its work for the glory of god refer to the gospel Do you know which day of the week the Sabbath is? I'll give you a hint it clearly says in Exodus 20:11 that it's a parallel to God making the world in six days and resting the 7th. That would make the Sabbath the 7th day... or Saturday. I always find it funny that outside of the 7th day Adventists and Sabbathists most folks celebrate it on a different day. Way to keep it holy people! ----- Most of those are asides and besides the point. The Ten Commandments aren't great, they aren't even good. They are largely religious rules which fit in well with the Laws of Hammerapi. They are guilty until proven innocent death for all crimes laws, not some noble Godly law set. The Gospels portray a rather mean Jesus character who violently attacks people he disagrees with, dispenses really bad advice, and laid down the foundations for atrocities for hundreds of years. ------ As to avoid simply responding your comments let me point out a few objections I have to Christianity. It doesn't make people more moral. In fact, it makes them less moral. The laws given in the Bible just bad, the advice given is worse, and to top it all off... it's false. It gives external laws, which unlike our progressing moral understanding, will always say that homosexuality is wrong and slavery is right. The Gospel of Mark was probably written as fiction. Luke and Matthew made their own versions and tried to add in as much fulfilled prophecy stuff as they could. Later letters and additions to the faith borrowing here and there and making it conform with the latest doctrines. It became one of hundreds of dying and rising savior cults until it managed to take control of the Roman Empire in the 4th century. It promptly destroyed all the temples and libraries and cost us untold amounts of knowledge and advancement. Finally rising to supreme power during the dark ages (one of the many reasons it was dark). This remained until the enlightenment came around and the secular movements associated with it. Since then, it has been a struggle to determine the truth from the nagging of religious falsehoods, curing diseases, understanding the universe, and treating people like human beings. The fight for morality and good has been a fight against religion, against the church, against the superior biblical arguments advocating atrocities. The worst insult of all, however, is that it's all a crock. There's not one shred of evidence or reason why anybody should believe in God. Religion is nothing more than a bronze age chain letter. Believe this or you are going to burn forever in eternal torture. Believe this and you'll go to eternal paradise to live forever. Tell other people to believe this. Accept that this is true even though it isn't; it's a sham. You said the first commandment is good because God is all-powerful and should be worshiped and that the second is okay on the same grounds. How did you get there? How did you get to believe that there is something to this idea? You are using this justify the unjustifiable with the unjustified. The religion is oppressive to women. It gave pointed arguments to slave traders. It gives pride to the pompous and power to the corrupt. Worst of all, it's bad reasoning. They are a scam of the highest order. Give me your time and money and I'll give you eternal joy. That people can't see through that baffles me. The injustices of providing authority to tyrants or corrupting the minds of the youth against the wonders of science are pretty bad... I'm more annoyed by the fact that it's utterly ridiculous and people walk around talking about it like it's the cat's pajamas. God screws up and humans disobey him so he curses them forever. To lift his curse (even though he's all powerful) he takes human form and makes a blood sacrifice of himself to himself so that he can forgive his creation and they don't suffer his wrath; if you don't buy that you burn!