NDEs and OBEs are Not Experiences, They are Hallucinations So Should Correctly Be NDHs and OBHs.

Thanks Con: A nice short reply.Though Con: Rather arrogantly, without giving any evidence for his brash statement whatsoever: "NDE and OBE are not illusions because they are not wrongfully perceived. They are seen, heard, felt by your senses and truly percevied. It is a ridiculous argument that one does not perceive NDE and OBE."Neuroscientists, who study the workings of the human brain the world over, know full well that NDE's and OBE's definitely are Illusions. No patient in history who claims an NDE nor OBE has ever been able to prove that their event was not an illusion. They have never, ever proved that the event was an actual, realistic experience, they only feel realistic or even ultra realistic, as Hallucinations often do. Here is a nice piece of realistic information concerning OBEs:" Both OBEs and NDEs, which occur in waking but often profoundly altered states of consciousness, cause hallucinations so vivid and compelling that those who experience them may deny the term hallucination, and insist on their reality. And the fact that there are marked similarities in individual descriptions is taken by some to indicate their objective "reality." EEG with epileptic waveforms [Wikimedia Commons] But the fundamental reason that hallucinations -- whatever their cause or modality -- seem so real is that they deploy the very same systems in the brain that actual perceptions do. When one hallucinates voices, the auditory pathways are activated; when one hallucinates a face, the fusiform face area, normally used to perceive and identify faces in the environment, is stimulated. In OBEs, subjects feel that they have left their bodies -- they seem to be floating in midair, or in a corner of the room, looking down on their vacated bodies from a distance. The experience may be felt as blissful, terrifying, or neutral. But its extraordinary nature -- the apparent separation of "spirit" from body, imprints it indelibly on the mind and may be taken by some people as evidence of an immaterial soul -- proof that consciousness, personality, and identity can exist independently of the body and even survive bodily death. Neurologically, OBEs are a form of bodily illusion arising from a temporary dissociation of visual and proprioceptive representations -- normally these are coordinated, so that one views the world, including one's body, from the perspective of one's own eyes, one's head. OBEs, as Henrik Ehrsson and his fellow researchers in Stockholm have elegantly shown, can be produced experimentally, by using simple equipment -- video goggles, mannequins, rubber arms, etc. -- to confuse one's visual input and one's proprioceptive input and create an uncanny sense of disembodiedness."From: http://www.theatlantic.com...;I myself have regular OBHs, and I know for sure they are hallucinations, I also know that they are triggered by sounds and voices, as my auditory functions stay up, long after I go into a subconscious state, this may mean a neurological issue with my auditory connections within the brain, which is one of the main reasons I started delving into neurology in the first place, to understand my own brain. Or maybe I've created these connections with my form of Buddhist like meditation, but I know I often appear to leave my own body, once in hospital, supposedly still under an anesthetic induced coma/subconscious state, I left my body and hovered above myself, it seemed frighteningly real, though what led me to realize that it was an illusion was two details, firstly I actually watched myself aging, secondly the meter that measured my pulse and blood pressure were on the wrong side of the bed in my illusion. This is because I could hear it coming from my right when laying on the bed and the brain kept it on my right while floating above the bed (auditory triggered illusion) which meant it was on the left of my bed in my illusionary vision.Yet, the images in my illusion seemed more real than reality.This is also explained that since there is little or no signal noise coming from all my other physical sensors and brain fuctions, my brain can focus more intently on my vision than it can focus on what you see in real life, because of other sensory/brain signal noises, so the visions in hallucinations like mine are far more vivid than reality.I often enjoy OBHs while either in meditation/entranced or sometimes during sleep.Often if a vehicle passes while I'm in such a state, I suddenly find myself physically outside observing the apparent, illusional event, I know these are illusions because sometimes it is late at nights and dark outside, but I'm standing out on the street in broad daylight, my brain has forgotten the time in the illusion, especially if people are talking outside, I'm suddenly out there with them, as if it was ultra real. Though I also find many triggers in my recall of these visions that tell me that they are definitely illusions. Such as I'm outside in front of my house, where somehow it is broad daylight at 3am and looking back into my driveway I see my favorite car that I wrote off months before the vision, but the number plate cannot be read. This is probably because I can never remember my own license plate, thus my brain cannot produce it. If anybody can prove they are not hallucinations, but experiences of real events, then they would elegible to claim the 1 million dollars posted by James Randi, for proving that a paranormal event exists.Another fact that demonstrates the illusionary properties of NDEs and OBEs are those that have visions of their God(s) and Heavens, the particular God or Gods (for polytheistic theists) always conform to the religion they were indoctrinated (conned) into believing.A Hindu will have one, some or many of their Gods present, a Christian will nearly always have Jesus, though occasionally Yahweh preseint and a Muslim will always find Muhammad or Allah present in his Illusion.This fact alone demonstrates clearly that the images are drawn from within their own brain's image base.Sorry Con: Making blanket statements without providing some evidence to support them is highly Irrational and indicates blind bigotry, not rational nor skeptical criticism.Sam Parnia's "Awareness Project" and other scientific studies into NDEs and OBEs have been trying for over twenty years to prove your case.So far, they have produced absolutely no evidence that NDEs nor OBEs are real experiences.Their failure increases the probability that my Title Statement is correct.In other words, the lack of evidence against NDEs and OBEs being Hallucinations and the Neurological studies now discovering the likely causes and triggers for Hallucinations only go together to make my case far more plausible than my opponents.For Instance: "Recently, a host of studies has revealed potential underpinnings for all the elements of such experiences. "Many of the phenomena associated with near-death experiences can be biologically explained," says neuroscientist Dean Mobbs, at the University of Cambridge's Medical Research Council Cognition and Brain Sciences Unit. Mobbs and Caroline Watt at the University of Edinburgh detailed this research online August 17 in Trends in Cognitive Sciences." From: http://www.livescience.com...Here is an extremely old (1991) neutral statement by Susan Blackmore in the "Skeptical Enquirer",Though we must remember that neuroscience has discovered a thousand times more information about the brain since then.http://www.susanblackmore.co.uk...Wonder how much she would change her mind if updated with current research findings.Here is a Q & A section on Dr. Oliver Sacks, dealing with sections of his book "Hallucinations".Sacks is still considered the world's leading authority on hallucinationshttp://healthland.time.com...Con: is blatantly misrepresenting the practical Truth.