Hulk Vs Spiderman (Hulk wins)

CONTENTION #1(rebuttals) 1. PRO ignores my reasoning for insisting that I ought ot be able to cite Cosmic Spider-Man (much less Spider-Man with prep time) if he is able to cite a pre-savagely enraged Hulk. What I'm insisting is that someone else getting the Hulk angry would be the equivalent to relying on preptime or some outside force. In order to truly abide my PRO's conditions on the fight, no one but Spider-Man or the Hulk himself should serve as a means to strengthen his powers by getting him angry. If PRO wishes to allow outside variables and/or prep time, then Spider-Man wins by getting Doctor Strange to have the Uni-power become one with Spider-man again or he wins by borrowing a couple of devices from Reed Richards. 2. I've cited PROOF that Spider-Man's strength limit is above ten tons. An object which She-Hulk can barely lift alone weighs more than 10 tons. A skyscraper weighs more than 10 tons. Just look back at my evidence which I provided on this matter during the 3rd round. Furthermore, actual Source material trumps a mere wikia article any day of the week. As for putting Spidey on the battlefield with anything more than normal strength, I'm not doing this. What I've cited is Spider-man's normal strength. However, the difference between Spider-Man and the Hulk is that Spider-Man rarely even uses his actual level of strength due to the fear that he may kill his opponents. However, as PRO himself has pointed out, the Hulk has a good healing factor. Spider-Man himself knows this and knows the extent of the Hulk's powers. Thus, there is no reason as to why Spider-Man would hold back his strength if he were to currently fight the Hulk. In addition, contrary to what PRO advocates, Spider-Man doesn't need to get infuriated to use his full strength. Unlike the Hulk, he has total control of his abilities. 3. I have not manipulated my opponent's answer. In R2, my opponent stated that everyone has come up with a blank in terms of how to calm the Hulk. The fact of the matter is that his answers during C/X directly contradict this. His explanations on how this came about are irrelevant. All that matters is that it's established as possible. As for Spider-Man calming the Hulk down via gammafield, what PRO misunderstands is that making use of this knowledge would not require prep time. After all, this battle took place in New York City and given that Spider-Man lives in New York and that the Hulk would most likely be in New York in order to fight Spidey (this is where they both most commonly appear at and it's not like someone of Parker's budget would likely appear anywhere else), all he'd have to do in this battle is lure the Hulk to this same place and trick him into repeating exactly what he did in the previous scan I presented. Spider-Man is well experienced in cat/mouse tactics, so pulling this off would be simple. As for the 2nd scan, I merely used that to establish that Spider-Man could get out of having to fight the Hulk directly. He could rely moreso on deception to beat the Hulk. 4. Not at all. Spider-Man still has every intention of beating the Hulk and he can't help it if the Hulk would be too dumb not to see otherwise. If anything, this is reliance on intelligence and nothing more. In no way does this negate the "versus situation" and nothing within PRO's parameters says otherwise. CONTENTION #2 (rebuttals) 1. Firstly, no reference to "usual versus battle rules" (much less an actual definition) were made when PRO set the parameters for the battle. In fact, I wasn't made aware of them until this round, thus this is clearly the "moving the goal post" fallacy at work. Second, there was no specific battlefield set (pro even suggested that the battle could very well take place anywhere in response to my C/X). Thirdly, if you'll read C/X, when I asked PRO about whether preparation DURING the battle was allowed, he pointed out that it was and that he only meant anything BEFORE the battle started, thus any result of preparation DURING the battle is acceptable. Finally, my argument that Spidey would be able to calm the hulk is not conjecture because as PRO has pointed, I'm using evidence (precedent) to establish this as most likely being true. 2. PRO states that we should adhere to PIS since this is a comic book debate and that comic book debates hsould adhere to comic book rules. 1) PIS is not a comic book rule. It is simply some rule fans like to apply on comic book forums. There is not a SINGLE comic book which actual develops or upholds these rules. This is merely a rule made up by fans who have absolutely no authority. And given that we're not arguing on a comic book forum, I see absolutely no reason to uphold such ridiculous rules. 2) We're not dealing with the laws of science. We're dealing with a fictional universe where sheer pseudo scientific absurdities are part of daily life. This fact alone would suggest that upholding PIS is absurd in itself. Ergo, I really don't even need evidence showing a feat by Spider-Man which equals firelord. The actual comic where this occurs IS the evidence. Additional: a. Spider-Man usually gets hit or makes other general mistakes in battle either because he hesitates (which comes from his fear of killing) or because his mind simply isn't completely focused on the fight at hand (which can even enable someone on the Punisher's level to tag Spider-Man). We have no reason to believe that this would be the case here. In addition, Spider-Man is well capable of dodging light speed movements. An update in my evidence thread indicates that( see most recent post):. http://www.debate.org... PRO's Case (rebuttals): 1. Spider-Man could simply web himself some web earmuffs before the Hulk got the chance. :D 2. Considering that both Spider-Man and Captain America (has trained Spidey and is much weaker) have knocked out the Hulk before (as indicated by my scans), I'd hardly call it a miracle. 3. Spider-Man caught bullets in a highly weakened condition in Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man #1, has hit FireLord (a herald with light-speed) and has dodged blast (light speed) from carnage surfer (who no doubt had his abilities amplified thanks to the symbiote). C/X Rebuttals: Question #1 a. The Hulk didn't win as this fight had no conclusion thanks to the Green Goblin. b. Incidentally, PRO leaves out the fact that Spider-Man LET the Hulk free because he felt bad for him. He could've won. No conclusion to this fight c. Agreed d. See my scans in the evidence thread. No conclusion. e. Agreed f. Betty accidentally shot Spidey with an energy absorbing ray, hence handicapping him big time. This fight doesn't count. Question #2. I've provided evidence. Refer back to my R3 link, read the evidence thread and watch Spidey lift an object which both he and She-Hulk had to lift together previously. Also note how Spidey supports the Daily Bugle with his physical strength/ Question #4. No enough room to explain what I meant, so I'm gonna concede on this question. He still has his legendary agility, thus shouldn't even need to rely on durability anyway. Scans: 1-7 deal with a pre-enraged Hulk. That last scan is simply Professor Hulk(incidentally, weaker than a hurricane). If he is allowed, Cosmic Spidey is allowed. Conclusion: Ladies and gentleman, as indicated by my scans with Captain America Knocking out the Hulk while merely being at the peak of normal human strength (as well as Spider-Man knocking out the Hulk too, as shown in the evidence thread), you don't need to hit the Hulk with punches stronger than missiles to knock him out and you certainly don't need a lot of time to knock him out either. Hulk's regenerative abilities won't make much of a difference if Spidey fights in the way he has or Captain America has. That, or he could win in the other ways I've specified. Thanks for the debate. :D