creation is the only logical explanation for the origin of life.

Point: 1. The only explanation to life being via ID can not empirically and scientifically establish, validate, or rule out any other imaginable possibilities of the origins of life to which includes self generation by a self-generating system, magical world that just simply pops things into existence, or even accidental table time dinner fart of some higher dimensional being.. So the first thing we need to see from the Pro argument is verification along with a scientific peer reviewed journals to which establishes with absolute certainty, and without assumptions or assertions that life could not have come from any other means or processes. Point: 2. The Pro argument must establish the exact processes, methods, mechanisms to which were used in ID. Point: 3. I will ask this poster to directly answer if they think this supposed entity is alive or dead by a yes or no answer. Point: 4. If the pro argument states his entity is dead, then we can ask how a dead inanimate and lifeless entity could create life "Intelligently". Hence, how would a dead lifeless rock intelligently design life? If the pro argument claims this entity is a living entity, we can than ask how does one create that which one's self requires to exist and be alive into existence? Hence if life can only come from ID then you have an infinite regress problem that is not solvable and the argument becomes a self-refutation to which invalidates the argument by consequence of the nature of the argument. That problem then establishes the question if life needs a cause, and what cause is needed to establish life. Point 5 will go over this issue by addressing life and what is required to support a conscious state and intelligent functionality through the addressing of information science and theory: Point: 5. Consciousness and intelligent functionality can not exist without cause. Cognitive systems are highly complex systems that require the same system life requires to exist, function, and be emergent properties of existence itself. These are systems with feedback to which involve the inertia of energy/information within the system that must be capable of self-interference and feedback in order to have something as basic as a reactionary system much less a cognitive system. These systems can not be ID created as the process of creation directly rely on these systems to function and even exist. And this goes into information science and theory and how it relates to existence being a self-generating system capable of producing life, and conscious life such as ourselves. We can demonstrate true origins and causality of both life and conscious life with a single question: What is ID, GOD, or Life without existence? Well, non-existent! Here we establish existence itself as the totality of causality, as every force to cause, as the foundation of every system, the necessity of function and operation of life, and even conscious life. This system is as a whole, a self-generating informational system that can interfere with itself and have feedback in the system to support reactionary systems, and higher complex living and living cognitive systems. And it only takes understanding information science and theory. Please reference: * http://ttruth3829683.newsvine.com... * http://ttruth3829683.newsvine.com... * http://ttruth3829683.newsvine.com... * Conscious Mechanical Self-Organization http://www.sourceintegralis.org... Abstract: - * The evolution of consciousness is seen in the context of energy driven evolution in general, where energy and information are understood as two sides of the same coin. * The result is an organic, self-generating, or autopoietic, system, continuously in the act of creating itself. - It's here where we establish Energy and information as two sides of the same coin as both substance and value. It's also here where we can establish the fundamental governing rules in such a quantized informational system to which are a fundamental and inherent part of both energy and information: There are 3 fundamental laws that govern cause and effect, information, and energy. These same 3 laws, principles, or attributes govern consciousness, morals, ethics, laws, emotions, feelings, or any Complex Adaptive system with feedback: * POSITIVE * NEGATIVE * NEUTRAL These are not only the base laws of existence, they are the attributes to everything, and everything is made of energy to which includes energy itself. Thus Energy =/= information as both substance and value. Thus the 3 fundamental properties, attributes, and laws are the cause of all causation. Information and energy are thus simply stated as "Cause". There can only ever be a positive, negative, or neutral: Action Reaction Process Mathematical equation Answer Choice Decision Intent Purpose Moral Ethic Emotion Feeling Piece of information State Function Ability Response System Feedback Opinion Phenomenon Condition Ability Power Electric Charge Selection Adaptation Mutation Transformation Position Point of view Observation Sensation Perception Or the relativity of anything above This also gives us the ABC's: A: There can be no choice, or decision made without information B: There can be no consciousness or awareness without information C: One can not have knowledge without information D: One can not do anything without information E: One can not exist without informational value F: One can not think without information G: One can not even know one's self exists without information H: One can not reply, respond, or react without information I: One can not convey, send, or express a message without information J: There can be no morals, ethics, or laws without information K: One can not have or express emotions, or feelings without information L: One can not have experiences, or experience anything at all without information M: One can not have a place to exist in order to be existent without information N: One can not Create, or Design anything without information O: One can not have the ability to process things without information P: Intelligence can not exist without information to apply Q: No system, or process can exist without information R: Cause and effect can not exist without information S: Logic can not exist without information T: Reason can not exist or things can not have a reason / purpose without information U: There can be no meaning without information V: There can be no value without information W: There can be no capacity without informational value Y: There can be no complexity without informational structure Z: There can be no "I" without the information that gives I an Identity. And finally: E = Existence = Energy = information = force = cause = emergent properties = you, me, the stars, and everything else. Or: E = Existence E = Energy E = Everywhere E = Emergence or Emerging properties E = MC^2 E = Evolution E = Everything E = Everyone E = Me to E = easy to understand without having to go into Everything E can do, or how E does Everything it can do. E is thus the only Established and Empirically supported truth we have thus far. E Enables us to do the things we do, and be who we are. And without E there is nothing, no Existence, no me, no you, not anything. And well, it's good to know that E exists simply because nothing can't. It's good to know that E can neither be created nor destroyed. E is even every letter in the alphabet since it is the Energy that makes up the very Essence of Every letter. E Explains itself and is self-Explanatory. The video linked, as evidence, demonstrates every aspect discussed above. http://www.youtube.com...;