LM Classic: mongeese vs iamadragon

Okay, so the entire argument around the atom and the rock becomes this: if you believe that non-living things have to no longer exist to be defeated, you side with my opponent on this issue. If you are already convinced that non-living things are already defeated, you side with me. We have both presented numerous points on the issue. All I would be doing would be repeating all of my points. However, my opponent makes the generalization that living things are only used if they are alive. This is a generalization. It is possible to "use" a living character's dead body to exist. Therefore, my opponent is taking the entire concept of being "usable" out of context. "Second, I'd appreciate sources for the claims about Kirby's digestive ability and about objects becoming trapped in his body forever." Well, where do you think the objects went? They're obviously still inside of him, or they don't exist anymore, thus defeating your non-living things. "If objects become stuck inside Kirby forever, and there isn't a limit to what he can eat, then there isn't any limit to the amount of matter he can inhale; thus, Kirby is limitless and illegal." However, there is a limit to the amount of matter he can inhale. He can only inhale the matter that is within the limited range of his inhalation. If I am not allowed to use Kirby's "limitless" swallowing ability, I can do this differently. Kirby is capable of ejecting matter out of his mouth rather than swallowing [1]. Therefore, he could inhale and eject out of New York City pieces of Uluru one at a time, still accomplishing the same effect. "That seems to defy the laws of physics. Specifically, the laws of conservation of matter and (maybe) energy. Could this ability also be considered limitless? There's no limit on Kirby's bomb creating ability." You assume that the laws of physics actually apply to video games. The limit is that Kirby can only produce one bomb every few seconds. This would be comparable to asking how many punches Superman can throw over time. Because he requires no subsistence, he can throw an unlimited number of punches. However, he is still legal, as MTGandP, the creator of UTW, has used him multiple times. The idea of an unlimited ability doesn't seem to apply to all abilities, really. "What? That doesn't make any sense at all. The rule was not clarified. Thus, we cannot definitively say if a 'sumo-kill' is allowed or I'm arguing that it isn't using reason, but your argument that it is allowed is simply illogical." However, you have no evidence that sumo-kills are illegal. You only claim that that was the implication. Since the question was never answered, and everything is technically legal by default unless shown otherwise, sumo-kills are legal. Otherwise, there is no way to defeat your atom, and it therefore has the unlimited ability of being undefeatable. "In the TP games, Midna seems only to have her main powers while in the Twilight. In the normal (Light) world, she is simply a shadow. Does Midna even have her levitation abilities in the Light world? Even if she did, how can a shadow physically - key word, physically - levitate an object?" In the Light world, she can still become solid, as long as she is with Wolf Link, which I can have Link transform into. Also, Midna used her powers in the Light world to move the piece of bridge from the Gerudo Mesa to the Bridge of Eldin. Therefore, Midna could easily move Uluru. "It would seem that Midna's only way to actually move Uluru would revolve around telekinesis. Moving Uluru using telekinesis would be teleportation. Teleportation is illegal." Teleportation out of New York City is illegal. However, I can use Midna to send Uluru up into space, just above New York City, which is legal, because we have no established height limit. Midna would then release the rock, and it would either orbit away from New York City or burn up on reentry. Also, any bits and pieces that do make it back to the ground would be very tiny, especially since the rock would break apart upon impact, and I could easily have any character move tiny pieces physically. To clarify one thing, the rock would not hit any of my team members, as Yugi could use the Millennium Necklace to predict where the rock would land. "I guess that seems to work. Around 3:00 in the same video, though, he says that his story might have been a little bit embellished. Perhaps the Pharoah[sic] did not physically save him, and the grandfather was actually safe but simply had a vision? I also wonder if the Pharoah's[sic] projection of himself revolved around the circumstances–someone being there to "activate" his presence?" If the Pharaoh still has the power to create visions, then he is still "usable." Also, as long as there are circumstances under which the Pharaoh can project himself, then he can reside safely in the Millennium Puzzle to outlast Uluru. "First, that seems to raise some questions about limits. Second, that's completely unwarranted and ridiculous. Why can't video game protagonists age?" The fact that Link does not age normally is not an unlimited ability. Link is just completely immune to natural aging, and immunities are not illegal. Second, if I left my game on for years on end, with thousands of days going by in-game, Link would not age a bit. "In Ocarina of Time, Link ages seven years when he pulls the Master Sword out of his pedestal. [5] This shows two things: 1. That Link can age, and 2. that video game protagonists in general can age." Ah, but they still can't age "normally." They can only age by plot events like the Master Sword. In a battle, like this one, Link could stall for as long as he wants, provided that he stays in a place where he can't be reached, or is with an enemy that cannot damage him. Therefore, Link would outlast Uluru, as well. "You have to actually argue the point. You can't say 'wrong' and 'that isn't true' and expect it to hold." There is no indication in the rules of any commands. "The rule also says facilitate." For one thing, facilitate is a transitive verb [2], which means that it doesn't even fit in the sentence. "Facilitate" was probably supposed to affect the subject of "the debate." Assisting the progress of the debate would only need to involve explaining, not directing. "Take into account that the members' only prerogative is the team leader, and that the team leader is the only specific authority, and it sure looks like the leader is commanding the team as its head." Ah, but is there any indication of ordering anybody around? I only explain how my five guys would beat your five guys. That is my role. I don't actually direct anybody. I explain their skills. "This is completely nonsensical. First of all, it's not a hypothetical mongeese. It is mongeese." Then explain how I'm both the team leader and a team member. The only real solution is a cloning. "[I]f mongeese can't think, then he can't actually issue any kind of order, and Team PRO stops being a team and becomes a random bunch of five characters who don't really do anything." Okay, I can just have Yugi erase my mind using the power of the Millennium Ring (as done by Bakura in Episode 35), so that I forget that I am a team member, but I can still remember that I am a team leader. Therefore, I can command my team safely. Finally, one other thing. If I leave New York City, I am defeated. However, at that point, neither my opponent nor I would be in New York City. Therefore, it stands that I would no longer be a team member, but team leaders are allowed to be outside New York City, so leaving would free me from my opponent without death, which creates no paradox. I have no characters left to go through my strategies, but just remember that because my characters can outlast my opponent's, I can't lose. Thank you. 1. http://kirby.wikia.com... 2. http://www.merriam-webster.com...