Bradley Manning. Traitor.

So lets just clarify this. By your own admission in the last 2 rounds you have admitted that Bradley is in fact a traitor. However your argument now is that while he is a traitor to the American government and Military which he happens to be an active member of and thus falls under their laws and regulations, you believe he is not a traitor to the American civilians. So my question to you which was whether or not he is a traitor is pretty much answered. He is a traitor. Just not to the people on your side or the ones you support because they believe in something different then you. Am I in the ball park here or what? Your whole spiel about the government and what not is nice and all but there still really isn't any relevance to this debate with all that. Your whole argument so far has not been that he was a traitor which you admit yourself he is but that because you didn't like the war and that the war was wrong and what not he shouldn't be treated as a traitor. Not to argue the legitimacy of the last decade of war as I already stated was another debate all together. We had every right to invade both Afghanistan and Iraq and if you didn't like that fact I'm sorry but that's the reality of the issue. I will not argue the reasons for those wars in this debate as they are not the objective in this debate. Your job as con was to prove he was not a traitor. You have failed to do this and in fact have agreed to it. You say hes a hero to the American public. Why? Because he released a few things that showed people getting killed on the battle field? Cause it showed that an additional 20,000 people died? Its war. What did you expect? Did you not think people were going to die? "the brutal slaughtering of thousands of innocent civilians; and our motivations for engaging in war in the first place." That is incorrect. It showed the numbers of people that died and a few cases of questionable engagements. It did not reveal the brutal slaughter of civilians and I have no idea where you got the "our motivations for the war" thing cause that certainly was not in it. It showed that Iraqi authorities were doing bad things. Congratulations. You didn't know before hand they did that? What do you want us to do? Retear down their government and start from scratch? Then you would be complaining about us still being there and not over this. DOD contractors doing bad crap. Yes it happens and when they were caught they were punished accordingly. like I said its war and BS like that happens but this idea that it happened all the time by the majority of troops and that it was ignored or encouraged is total horse$$$$. You admit that what he did either did or had the potential to endanger US forces or efforts. That's the whole basis of the traitor charges. You just agreed again to my point. You try and say that you cant prove him a traitor because you cant prove his deeds lead to any US casualties. Not only have I already discussed this but you also have REFUSED to even acknowledge the dozens of other reasons other then US casualties that he has damaged like the ISI issue. He released over 500,000 documents. Id give to you that maybe 10% of those had some form of malicious or bad on America information on it but what about the other 90%? You say that while he did release sensitive information it "pales in comparison" to the atrocities he revealed. That simply is not true as it is actually the reverse. I also have to take a serious problem with " Hypothetically speaking, if a member of the U.S. military rapes and slaughters an entire family of Afghani or Iraqi civilians, that soldier deserves any violence and death that comes his way. The lives of U.S. soldiers are not more important than the lives of innocent civilians, American or otherwise." While I certainly agree with the very last part and I'm an active duty Marine who would gladly die to save some civilian I don't even know the "we deserve death and violence" part? So the 1 or so percent of US service members our of the several MILLION who have served honorably over the last decade of war who actually have done some terrible crap like what you said and usually get punished for it somehow make you believe that we all deserve death and violence? How dare you? That like saying that since there's a portion of the CIVILIAN population that commits crimes and rapes and kills they all deserve to die. That's like saying since a portion of Muslims are terrorist they are all terrorist. But any way moving on. The rise in the anti American ideology is irrelevant. We are at war. Of course there's going to be a rise in our enemy's and of course its because of us. How else would it be? We are trying to hunt them down and kill them. They are trying to do the same thing. That's just how it is and its only going to get worse before it gets better and that will only happen when one side wins completely. And if you really want to try this route then how about this counter. If it wasn't for the actions of the Radical Islamic community committing violence against us then there would have been for less US violence in the mid east which would mean less anti American violence. Like 9/11. If Saddam hadn't invaded Kuwait and broken so many sanctions and UN laws and generally not pissed us off then we wouldn't have had to invade. And you can counter and say that they only committed violence against us for things we did years before and I can go back further and say that's because of things they did before and on and on and on. Point is we can sit here and point fingers all day and do the "you started this, no you did" BS all day going all the way back to the founding of the US and the shores of Tripoli. Doesn't really solve anything. Nor prove anything. So you say he did betray his government and military but not the people and that what he released was mostly about bad things the military did. I believe that that just is not true. While am fully aware that there were indeed several things in that release that were bad and they should never have happened they do not come close to the damage he caused. Id also like to ask if you could name something specific that you are talking about with all these "atrocities" as you have yet to name one and just simple said we did bad things so yeah. Like I said I know there's some in there id just like to see you mention some of them. Your argument that the people and the government are separate and all that well that's all good and all. Once again that's kind of a separate argument and to be honest I don't think I'm qualified to make that argument as I'm just not that knowledgeable in that subject. However I will say that government is an important part of society and while ours has certainly done some messed up crap in its time, I'm not one of those "oh my government is holier then thou" wackos. I know they do bad stuff and I'm actually against the current administration However they also do a lot of good and they stand for a lot of good. More so then bad. They are our government and as Iv already stated they are elected by us from among us so its not like we don't have some say in what happens in our nation. Your argument is based off that the wars were bad and against the people and that the government and military is agenise the people. I don't believe that. And with things like the war I don't think that the majority of Americans are qualified or knowledgeable to make the decision on whether or not it would have any benefits. Lets be honest most people out there aren't the brightest. Well thats my argument and the end of my first debate and I hope I did at the very least decently. Id like to thank my opponent for this great debate that iv been wanting to do for a while now and I wish her the best of luck in the voting. Peace out yall.