GOD or GODS? THE BIBLE SAYS...GODS.

I DO APOLOGIZE FOR MY OPPONENT TO THE DELAY, THERE HAS BEEN AN EMERGENCY EVENT I HAVE TO ATTEND. HERE IS MY SIDE: "In Exodus 3:14 God tell Moses "I am that I am". [1] The confusion of there being more than one god comes from a misunderstanding of the trinity. The word trinity does not appear in the Bible but the concept is certainly there." -------Deut 6:4. At Mark 13:32, Jesus Christ said: "But of that day or that hour [of God's coming execution of judgment] no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father." But if the Father and the Son are coequal, how could the Son be ignorant of things the Father knows? ‘Jesus had two natures,' some will answer. ‘Here he is speaking as a man.' And, yet, even if that were so, what about the "Holy Ghost"? If it is the third person of the Trinity, why does it not know? A chain is only as strong as its weakest link. And the "Holy Ghost" is part of the Trinitarian chain.-------- "Jesus said I and the father are one. This suggests that Jesus is God but it also suggests that he is not a different God than the Father. [2]" -------This statement does not suggest either a dual or triune deity. What John's Jesus meant by the word hen ("one") becomes clear from his prayer concerning the apostles: "That they may be one [hen], just as we are one [hen]" (John 17:22), which means that they should be united in agreement with one another as he (Jesus) is always united in agreement with God, as stated: "I [Jesus] always do the things that are pleasing to Him [God]" (John 8:29). There is thus no implication that Jesus and God, or the twelve apostles are to be considered as of one essence. Let us look at John 10:30 "I (Jesus) and the Father are One." This verse is severely misunderstood and is taken out of context, because beginning at verse John 10:23 we read (in the context of 10:30) about Jesus talking to the Jews. In verse John 10:28-30, talking about his followers as his sheep, he states: "...Neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father who gave them me, is greater than all, and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. I and the Father are One." These verses prove only that Jesus and the Father are one in that no man can pluck the sheep out of either's hand. It does not at all state that Jesus is God's equal in everything. In fact the words of Jesus, " My Father, who gave them me is Greater than ALL...," in John 10:29 completely negates this claim, otherwise we are left with a contradiction just a sentence apart. All includes everyone even Jesus. Also let us look at verse John 17:20-22 "That the ALL may be made ONE. Like thou Father art in me, I in thee, that they may be ONE in us. I in them, they in me, that they may be perfect in ONE". In this verse, the same word ONE used, the Greek, HEN is used, not only to describe Jesus and the Father but to describe Jesus, the Father and eleven of the twelve disciples of Jesus. So here if that implies equality, we have a unique case of 13 Gods.----------- "In Genesis god says Let us go and make man in our own image. This plural does not suggest multiple gods but multiple persons of the same god. He also uses the same plural in regard to the Tower of Babel. [3] [4] During the Baptism of Christ we see the best example of the trinity all three person together. [5]" ------------John 17: 3 - And this is life eternal, that they might KNOW thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. Bottom line, the 3-in-one monster conjured up by the Trinity is an unknowable being. The Trinity is confusion, and that is NOT of God, but of the devil.(See 1 Cor. 14: 33) Honest theologians and priests will even admit that there is no way to "understand" the Trinity. They will argue that the mortal mind cannot grasp it but only "comprehend" some of it, but even that is a stretch when the scripture states that our very eternal life depends on KNOWING Him. I also believe that if there was one doctrine that we should fully understand, it SHOULD be the one about the character and nature of God, and that he'd be a mean son of a gun to give us no way of understanding this very basic and important aspect of the gospel. If you know anything about the history of the Nicean council, you also know that the framers of this gibberish themselves actually knew that what they were outlining was incomprehensible. That leads you to another problematic question... If the theologian/writers of the Trinity KNEW it was beyond the understanding of men. Then, as MEN, how do they know that they got it right in the first place? That leads us to the final part of the argument. The lack of spiritual evidence that this doctrine is accepted by God... --------------- "The first Commandment is thou shalt have no other gods before me. This shows that he is the only God and if they had worshiped another god it would have angered him. [6] Ephesians says One Lord, one faith, one baptism. You can't get much clearer than that, that there is only one God. [7]" ----------IT MIGHT BE WELL IF THE TERM "TRINITY" WERE EMPLOYED TO DESIGNATE THE THREEFOLD SELF-MANIFESTATION OF GOD. THE FIRST CHRISTIANS HAD WITH ST. PAUL A SAVING EXPERIENCE OF THE GRACE OF THE LORD JESUS CHRIST AND OF THE LOVE OF GOD AND OF THE COMMUNION OF THE HOLY GHOST, AND THE THEOLOGIANS WERE LED, INEVITABLY, TO EFFECT AN ALLIANCE BETWEEN THE GOSPEL OF THEIR SALVATION AND THE SPECULATIVE PHILOSOPHY, AND MORE ESPECIALLY THE PLATONISM, IN WHICH THEY HAD BEEN TRAINED, WHILE, IN MAKING ROOM FOR THE CHRISTIAN GOSPEL WITHIN THE WORLD -- NOT ALTOGETHER HOSPITABLE -- OF THE GREEK PHILOSOPHY, THEY FOUND THEMSELVES TRANSLATING THEIR EMPIRICAL KNOWLEDGE OF GOD -- THE GOD OF THE FATHER OF THE LORD JESUS CHRIST -- INTO A DOCTRINE OF DIVERSITY AND MULTIPLICITY, AS DISTINGUISHED FROM MERELY ABSTRACT UNIT, WITHIN THE DIVINE NATURE ITSELF. IN OTHER WORDS, IN THINKING OUT THE TRINITY THEY ARRIVED AT THE TRINITY. THE GREATEST AND MOST INFLUENTIAL OF THE CHRISTIAN FATHERS, ORIGEN, ATHANASIUS, BASIL, THE GREGORIES, AUGUSTINE, ALL ACKNOWLEDGED THAT THE DIVINE NATURE REMAINED FOR THEM A MYSTERY. IN THE SYSTEM OF CHRISTIAN THEOLOGY, THE DOCTRINE OF THE TRINITY DOES NOT USUALLY FIT WELL INTO THE GENERAL DOCTRINE OF GOD, AND OFTEN BEARS THE CHARACTER OF A DOCTRINE APART. IN SHORT, GOD HIMSELF IS THE FATHER REVEALED; GOD HIMSELF IS THE CHRIST REVEALING; GOD HIMSELF IS THE HOLY SPIRIT ABIDING. IT SHOULD BE REMEMBERED THAT THERE WAS NO WORD "PERSON" IN THE VOCABULARY OF THE GREEK- SPEAKING THEOLOGIANS WHO SHAPED THE DOCTRINE OF THE TRINITY TO THE AUTHORITATIVE FORM IT ASSUMED IN THE NICEAN-CONSTANTINOPOLITAN CREED. THROUGH ORIGEN'S INFLUENCE IT CAME TO BE EMPLOYED IN THE THEOLOGICAL TERMINOLOGY AS THE DESIGNATION OF A MEMBER OF THE TRINITY.-----------