Experts' Tier R1: In a fair fight, Mace Windu would likely defeat Yoda.

Many thanks to Ninja--this should be an amazing round. This is the most fun topic I have done so far on DDO, and I am looking forward to it. I will be making a quick analysis of the framework and then I will present my case. FRAMEWORKI know that Yoda may be a fan favorite, but I would ask that voters vote based on the merits of our arguments, not based on personal opinions. BOP is shared: I must support the theory that Mace Windu would win in this hypothetical situation, whereas Ninja must support the theory that Yoda would win. Definitions have already been set and are uncontestable. Therefore, I must show that it is probable or plausible that Mace Windu would garner victory in this fair fight. PRO's CASEMy case will be constructed in four portions, discussing Windu's force abilities, his lightsaber prowess, and his past feats in battles. I will then do a brief analysis of Yoda to conclude. -- Windu's Force Abilities --Windu has the following force abilities: force leap, force wave, force grip, force crush, force speed, telekinesis, shatterpoint, among others. [1] I will discuss, in turn, the relevance to the resolution (i. e. their utility in battle) of each of these powers.1. Force Leap - this ability is key for several reasons. Being able to leap from danger or to pursue a foe--in fact, mobility in general--is vital in a battle scenario. 2. Force Wave - this allows an individual to send a pulse of force energy out radiating from them. It is capable of destroying hundreds of opponents at once depending on the scope of the energy invested. Clearly, this ability would be a useful weapon in any duel. [2]3. Force Grip - "The target could be seized with great strength, lifted off their feet and suspended in the air by a powerful Force user. If used to a high degree, it could crush an opponent's bones or organs. " [2]4. Force Speed - enhanced agility. Windu was so proficient at this ability that he could land six blows to another force user before that person could blink. [1]5. Telekinesis - Windu was highly adept at a variety of derivations of this ability. His skill with manipulating solid objects enabled him to shift things like an At-TE Walker with ease. [1]6. Shatterpoint - This power "allowed a Jedi to shatter otherwise unbreakable objects by channeling the Force into the places of the object that bound it together. " This ability could also be employed during battle, allowing the user to see the weak points in the other's moves and person. [1]Let's take a moment to compare this with Yoda. Yoda's telekinetic ability is probably inferior to Windu's. If you reference three notable examples of Yoda's use of telekinesis (his battle with Sidious, his battle with Dooku, and lifting the X-wing on Dagobah) we can see that Yoda has to exert enormous amounts of concentration and effort to lift these heavy objects. The AT-TE Windu lifted with ease is at least as heavy, and probably heavier, than the X-wing Yoda manipulated (based on the objects' sizes. ) [3, 4] The fact that Windu had an easier time manipulating something heavier than Yoda did gives us insight into how they might match up in a fight. Additionally, shatterpoint is not one of the abilities attributed to Yoda, seemingly putting Mace Windu ahead. [5, 13]-- Windu's Lightsaber Skills --Windu is the only Jedi to have fully mastered Vapaad (a subset of Juyo), the most difficult and aggressive lightsaber form. [1, 6] Even Yoda has conceded that Windu was the only individual to have fully mastered Juyo--Windu is thus a master of all 7 forms of lightsaber combat, more so than Yoda is. [6] "Juyo users were proficient in a technique called 'Assured Strike,' wherein they traded sheer power for a near-certainty of landing a hit. Another technique they used was referred to as 'Vornskr's Ferocity,' which involved 'ferocious' attacking of an opponent. .. Those skilled in the Vaapad form were known for their use of the 'Swift Flank' technique, where they leaped or dashed around an opponent to make a quick strike. The speed of the maneuver was intended to catch opponents off guard. " Windu's incredible speed (for Swift Flank) as well as his shatterpoint ability (for Assured Strike) would compliment this style very well, enabling him to use it to maximum effect. -- Windu's Past Feats --At the Battle of Dantooine, "[Windu] single-handedly defeated an army of B2 super battle droids and a massive seismic tank, using his bare fists for much of the battle when he lost his lightsaber in the tank's initial blast. Windu later regained said lightsaber, leapt onto a part of the tank, cut his way inside, battled the droids and destroyed the tank from within. " [1, 7]At Omphalos, Windu completed a similar accomplishment, defeating large numbers of battle droids single-handedly. [8] On the Rig, Windu and 3 other Jedi destroyed a massive facility after defeating hundreds of bounty hunters in order to do so. [9] This illustrates Windu's ability against not just droids, but biological life-forms as well. At the Battle of Boz Pity, Windu managed to outmaneuver Count Dooku in combat--something Yoda failed to do on Geonosis. [10, 14] Had it not been for his Magna-Guards, Dooku would have perished by Windu's hand. This illustrates that Windu's prowess in combat, but it also shows that Windu could do something Yoda did not: defeat Dooku. During the Battle of Coruscant, Windu defeated Gen. Grievous while dueling him atop a moving train. Windu would later force crush part of the cyborg, resulting in his coughing fits. [1, 11] Windu also showed great skill as a pilot, using his personal ship to take out swaths of enemy forces during the assault. [1]On Haruun Kal, "[Windu] managed to defeat three Sienar Turbostorm gunships, destroying two and crippling the third, in a masterful display of the versatility and lethality of Vaapad. " Windu also showed while fighting on the planet that he was adept at using two blades at once. [1] The final example of Windu's skill I will cite here is the attempt to arrest Supreme Chancellor Palpatine (Sidious. ) "[Windu's] mastery of Vaapad served him well in countering Sidious's dark side mastery. Windu and Sidious battle. The two viciously battled through the Chancellor's private office and lounging room into his main office. Driving Sidious back with an offensive march, Windu steered the battle towards the office bay-window, which was promptly shattered by their whirling blades. By bringing the duel to the ledge of the window-sill above the sheer drop of the Coruscant cityscape, Windu prompted Sidious to channel more energy into a Force-powered grip on the ledge, and less into the Force powered speed that he was using against Windu. Sidious's slight drop in speed allowed Windu to defeat the Sith Lord with a well-placed kick to the face, which caused him to drop his saber into the streets below. " [1]This excerpt shows not only the utility of Windu's actions, but also Windu's ability to strategize even while dueling. Windu was able to come up with a coherent plan to capitalize on his own skills and to minimize those of the Sith. That allowed him to essentially overpower Sidious. Once he had cornered Sidious, Windu left the Sith little choice but to use the force in his defense. "Windu redirected the lightning back with his lightsaber, melting away the Chancellor's features in a display of the 'superconducting loop' of Vaapad. " This is what deformed Sidious. [1, 12] -- Yoda --Yoda has one key disadvantage that must be noted before Con presents his case: Yoda is old. 1. Yoda has reduced mobility due to age. "Yoda lost a great deal of his mobility, demonstrating a pronounced limp and depending on a cane to aid him in his everyday movements. When possible, Yoda preferred to use a hoverchair rather than walk at all. His mastery of Force Valor allowed him to overcome these physical infirmities, but due to the extremely taxing nature of the ability, he was only able to utilize it for a short time before tiring. " [13]2. Yoda has reduced telekinetic ability due to age. "Since he passed age seven hundred, he has only been able to lift five of the seven Muntuur stones while in meditation. " [13]Thus, Yoda could only muster enough energy for a short duel. Mace Windu would therefore be the only one with enough stamina for a prolonged conflict. Moreover, Mace Windu would have the advantage in terms of telekinesis, an important factor in any force-based duel. CONCLUSIONWhile Yoda is undoubtedly awesome, I submit that in a fair-fight between him and Windu, Windu would most likely emerge victorious. With his powerful force skills, his stamina, his lightsaber dueling capacities, his strategic mind in battle, and his past triumphs corroborating all of this, Windu would probably/plausibly win the fight. Thus, Pro rests. Thanks again to Ninja and TUF, and I look forward to seeing Ninja's case. SOURCES 1 - . http://starwars.wikia.com...2 - . http://starwars.wikia.com...3 - . http://starwars.wikia.com...4 - . http://starwars.wikia.com...5 - . http://starwars.wikia.com...6 - . http://starwars.wikia.com...7 - . http://starwars.wikia.com...(Clone_Wars)8 - . http://starwars.wikia.com...9 - . http://starwars.wikia.com...10 - . http://starwars.wikia.com...11 - . http://starwars.wikia.com...(Clone_Wars)12 - . http://starwars.wikia.com...13 - . http://starwars.wikia.com... 14 - The Video. The pertenant sections begin at 2:30 . http://www.youtube.com...Thank you!