RESOLVED: In a fight to the death, Darth Vader would defeat Darth Revan

I could create my own case, but since I don't feel like it, I'll simply borrow one from some other guy and am prepared to defend all of these points accordingly. Plus, I probably would have made these points regardless. Anyway, congrats to Janus Marius from the KMC forums. I strongly negate the resolution as Revan is easily one of the most powerful force wielders in the Star Wars universe. Comparing Vader to him is like comparing an ant to a mountain lion. 1: The only reliable source I recall as labeling Anakin/Vader as the chosen one and the most powerful Jedi is relatively current sources... i.e. jedi of his time period. Knights of the Old Republic takes place many eras ago, and undoubtedly much knowledge was lost over time. It is reasonable enough to chalk up Vader's esteemed status to his being the classic, most well-known Sith and to the limited knowledge of his peers. Remember, Yoda is not even a thousand years old, and Revan's time was four thousand previous. 2: Vader has little influence for a true Sith warrior. In A New Hope, he is outranked by the non-Force sensitive Moff in charge of the Death Star. (I believe it's Moff Tarkin... I could be wrong.) He does not lead massive armies, nor is he particularly deadly in saber combat. His abilities have definately atrophied since his youth. I would also like to point out that as of Attack of the Clones, Anakin/Vader was a mere boy with little discipline. Regardless of his potential, I believe his discipline would always hold him back. In A New Hope, Vader often lost his temper, though that was rarely the case later on. 3: Willpower. Vader was pretty much dominated by Darth Sidious, or else he would have eventually struck down his master and become Sith Lord himself. Revan's willpower was pretty much legendary, as he failed to be consumed by the dark energies of Malachor V; instead he was able to harness tham for his own benefit. He was also able to convert and train numerous Jedi, as opposed to Vader's Jedi-genocide. 4: Knowledge. Revan was meticulous in gleaning knowledge of the Jedi and the Sith, and his era was a so-called golden era of Jedi and Sith knowledge. He certainly would be more formidable based on what he would know that Vader would be ignorant of. 5: Lastly, ability. Vader is a practitioner of Form V saber fighting, which is an aggressive style that has an emphasis on taking the fight to the opponent. A key part of this style of fighting is not blast deflection (As was Form III, used by Obi Wan) but rather directly reflecting blasts back at the enemy. This form relied a lot on open movements and emotional energy. If Revan was a formidable saber duelist, it is reasonable to believe that he would have mastered Form II (Which is what Dooku used... a primarily fencing type form used to combat other swordsmen... a primarily Sith-type form) among other forms, some perhaps which were lost in all those millenia. And while I'm thinking of it, let's not forget Revan's amazing charisma. He was a sly cunning opponent who should never be underestimated. Vader is rather basic and pretty predictable. Thus, taking all of these points into account, is quite clear that Vader would be outclassed by Revan's saber skills, force knowledge and sheer force potential. Heck, Revan is from a time where Sith lords were able to force grip suns with ease. Obviously, Vader (nor even Sidious) are capable of such a feat given that they need a machine (the Death Star) just to destroy a mere planet. No way can Vader even DREAM about beating Revan. That's all the points I shall be making for the time being (although I'll probably make some new ones in the next round). Later. :D