The Lies of Obama are more consequential than those of Trump

Smile, thanks for your reply. I will break my post into parts to make it easier to follow: 1) Politicians are adept at spin, that we understand well. Not surprisingly the issue of domestic spying was energetically spun by the Obama administration. Obama"s lie was that by his words he gave the impression of being critical of the actions of the Bush Administration while himself expanding the domestic spying program. I can write reams to refute this spin, but instead I will just note that when Snowden blew the whistle, the NYT editors (usually very big Obama fans) wrote that "Obama cannot be trusted anymore", before adding the qualifier "in security matters". 2) Con offers Trump"s behavior with Flynn as an example of his lying. The greatest damage done to the country by the Bush & Obama administration were the wars they started. There was a continuity in the influence of the neo-cons in these administrations. There is a reason why the neo-cons were so violently opposed to Trump before the elections & continue to be so today. Trump was the end of the Neo-con hold over foreign policy of the last 16 years. While in 2008 in theory there was a change in administration, the influence of the neo-cons continued undiminished, with officials like Nuland (wife of leading neo-con Robert Kagan) instrumental in effecting a coup against a democratically elected President in Ukraine by mobs that included Neo-Nazis. Trump has got rid of the neo-cons in the government, their last great hope Bolton too fizzled out, & the response has been hysterical war-mongering in the media against Russia, a narrative that dovetails nicely with the idea that the Democrats lost the elections not because their free trade agreements had devastated the Midwestern working class, but because "Trump colluded with Russia". Trump has been hugely beneficial to the country in terms of foreign policy, as with Hillary you can expect that right now the US would continue arming Al Qaeda in Syria (or Al Nusra as they call themselves), would declare a no-fly zone over the sovereign country Syria (as Hillary said she would) which would be blatant violation of the UN Charter possibly leading at an armed confrontation with Russia, would bomb other countries like Libya (another Hillary initiative) reducing them to anarchy where Al Qaeda surrogates flourish, etc. So any actions & words of Trump with respect to Russia & foreign policy in general marks a sharp break from the past administrations & is hugely consequential for the country, in the positive direction. 3) All this hysteria about Putin & "14 Trump insiders" is completely counterproductive. The US is the most powerful nation on Earth, however it is not able to accomplish its goals by itself. Right now it is engaged in the longest war in its history in Afghanistan with no end in sight. Why can"t it win? Because Taliban has a supply of weapons & other support from Pakistan. Why can"t the US get the Pakistan to stop? Because US currently requires Pakistan as the land route to supply its forces in Afghanistan. Basically Pakistan has the US over the barrel in Afghanistan. The alternative for the US is the northern supply route through Russia, but thanks to the idiotic Congress" sanctions against Russia, that option is gone. Anti-Putinism has resulted in the US facing certain defeat in Afghanistan in the long run. North Korea has been allowed to expand modernize its nukes & missiles over the last quarter century, with each administration kicking the can down the road & leaving an even bigger problem for the next administrations & the country. North Korea actually shares a border with Russia & China. China wants to keep the North Korean issue alive to weaken the US. Russia, with its second strongest military in the world, could have been a great ally in taming Kim, were not for the anti-Russia hysteria sweeping through the media & Democrats. 4) Con referred to my link wrt campaign financing. I will let the link speak for itself "Obama campaign strategists made a calculation: They decided they could raise so much from private contributions that they were better off avoiding the public system" we see it as a Full Flop [a complete lie]." Also McCain & Trump are different persons. 5) "All trade negotiations (not just TPP) are conducted with as much secrecy as possible to preserve US negotiating positions." The secrecy was from the American public. The American government & the American public are supposed to be on the same side, rather than counter parties. The counter parties (countries like Vietnam & Japan), & the corporations knew what the negotiations were. The Obama administration conducted the negotiations in secrecy from the American public because it did not want trade unions etc. to have time to build awareness about the TPP & organize public resistance. To conclude, Obama"s lies have been far more negatively consequential than Trump"s. Thanks for participating and reading.