Morality is Objective

I can't believe the last round has arrived already. This has been a fun debate. You have brought up some interesting questions. I will answer each one by one. I will start off by listing the question and then my response will be underneath it. In most of the cases...the facts change but the moral principles are the same. Part One: 1. It is my firm belief that we go to church on Saturday. Yes and you do this to honor God. Christians all have the same desire to honor God but how/when we do it is not important. Either way we both are aware that honoring God is a moral thing to do. So you see...the facts about how we are moral are different but the basic moral principle is still understood by all Christians. 2. We should not eat pork products or anything that is "Unclean" according to the teachings of God. Same thing as the first question. You have the desire to do the teachings of God and all Christians have the same desire if they are true Christians. That said, the facts about how to abide by the teachings of God might be different, the moral principle is still understood. I disagree with what you said about eating pork, but I still understand that it is important to do abide by God's laws. 3. God is three in one. The Holy Spirit, God the Father, and God the Son. I agree but this really isn't a question about morality. 4. Communion (the foot washing, the blood of Christ and his body the bread) Is acceptable in the eyes of God according to scripture. True...but again it really has nothing to do with morality. 5. When we die it is much like sleep, we don't go to heaven immediately. when we wake up we go to heaven to be judged. I agree with this also but again...not a question about morality. 6. Hell is not a place where you are suffering for an everlasting time. Instead you eternally dead and are not thought of again. I basically disagree with this but this is not a question about morality. 7. The pope is or is going to be the Antichrist as mentioned in revelation. Never thought about it. I don't believe it to be true but it has nothing to do with morality. 8. Having a sexual relationship with a family member is wrong. All people pretty much are aware of this. Have their been people that have done it? Yes...but again this only proves that people have done immoral things. 9. Having a sexual relationship with animals is wrong. All people pretty much are aware of this. Have their been people that have done it? Yes...but again this only proves that people have done immoral things. 10. Premarital sex is wrong. People understand the basic moral principles about lying, stealing, and cheating on spouses. The facts about how to be moral change but the basic principles are understood. When people have sex before marriage, they have two instincts. One being that it is okay (probably the stronger instinct) and the other being wait until marriage. They are already aware that waiting until marriage is the right thing to do but they might sometimes make the wrong decision. And even if there are people who truly believe that their actions are okay (which I find hard to believe) their actions would be based on the moral principle that satisfying oneself (in a meaner of speaking) is a good thing to do. Christians would also agree that satisfying are needs are a good thing to do but the facts about how we do it would be different. 11. Worshiping anything other than God is wrong Yes..this is true. People feel the need to follow that principle. They will follow that principle but the facts about who/what the God they serve is the thing that changes. So the facts change but the moral principle stays the same. 12. Suicide is wrong Almost people would agree with this. There is a reason why the majority of people do not take their lives. 13. Rape is wrong All people know this. But lets talk about sexual instincts again. People will choose the wrong instinct sometimes. Being aware of these moral principles does not mean that they will always follow them. The thought to satisfy oneself seems like a moral thing to do and it is in a sense but the facts about how we do it change. In the minds of a rapist, women are nothing but sex objects and it is okay for him to rape them. But surely the only thing different about the situation is the facts. Surely if a woman were nothing but a sex object it would be good to rape them. But since most people know that women aren't sex objects (facts change), people understand that doing harm to other people is immoral. But the rapist doesn't see the woman as a person. So you see, we all understand the basic moral principles...the facts merely change about how we carry them out. That said, there are some total creeps out there that are just nuts and have no moral code in them at all. So yes, even though the majority of people are aware of the moral law, there a few people that do not know it. I mean, most people do have legs but there are always a few people that cannot walk. 14. Pornography is wrong People would agree with this as well. I probably do not have to repeat the things about satisfying oneself again. But yes, people generally understand that pornography is immoral. People might do the wrong thing anyway, but people do bad things even when they know that they are doing something wrong. In summary, all of these things are interesting questions but they are all about whether people choose to do the right thing (when they know it is the right thing to do) or they are about the differences in facts about how to carry out the moral principles. Part Two: Due to character limits I will briefly address your next nine questions. Just use the same process I used above with answering the questions below. 1. Polygamy-Wrong from a Christian perspective. 2: Drinking alcoholic beverages.-Okay as long as your not getting drunk. Most people know this. Even Jesus drank wine. 3: Do I dare say it? Masturbation-Definitely wrong from a Christian perspective. 4: Killing in revenge-Killing is okay. Murder is not okay. So the question is...would you be killing or murdering the person? 5: Lying in a life or death situation-Perfectly moral...remember when Rehab did this in the Bible to save lives? 6: Drugs-most people know that they are harmful. People might be for legalization for other reasons (people are for the right to choose to take drugs but aren't actually for drugs themselves) but the majority of people know it is harmful. 7: Morality-no idea what this means 8: Technology as robots-no idea what this means 9: War-Most people would agree that war is sometimes necessary. God used it to end immoral actions. The facts might change during each of these nine questions but people still understand the basic moral principles that God put inside of us. Do people rationalize their wrong choices as okay sometimes? Yes...but they still are aware of what is right and wrong. Thanks for a good debate!