Ultimate Team War - Gateway Planet 2

Thanks to mongeese for a great first Team War! Time to end it once and for all... 1. As far as I can tell, no rules allow preparation time, so Bowser hadn't already eaten the mushroom-indeed, doing so would delay him even more, stopping him from managing his counter attack. Pro's unsporting use of the retry clock has, I suppose, made the scenario where Bowser and Charizard directly face off the one that is likely to be played out. So the crucial question is - would Bowser have time to execute a counter punch? Well, in Mario and Luigi Bowser can use a small punch quite quickly, but must draw his arm back and power up (which sometimes fails) to get it a powerful punch, such as would be needed to counter Charizard's skull Bash attack. I simply don't think, if Charizard went at full speed, that Bowser would have time to pull off such an attack. Pro doubts that Sakura has the strength to launch Bowser away from the planet. Skip halfway along the video of Sakura vs Sasori provided, and you can see Sakura smashing enormous, solid iron blocks across a huge cavern. These are far larger than Bowser (who Pro has pointed out is smaller and leaner in his chosen cannon), and are made of a far heavier material. She also does this while injured, so she might manage even more while fresh. There is no reason at all to suppose than someone with such strength would have trouble launching Bowser from the planet. If, even considering all this, Sakura still couldn't manage it, she would simply throw Bowser up, then jump up and punch him the rest of the way. If the mushroom really does function to inhale small smaller parts of a larger thing in, which it probably doesn't as conceded by Pro, then as pointed out Charizard's long neck would be stuck down Bowser's throat, choking him and preventing him from biting. Pro has conceded that Charizard's flames would destroy Bowser, so this is the end for the overgrown Koopa. I don't know, using some weird messed up video game physics. No evidence = no plan. I don't see how Bowser would be able to flip if he were firmly in Charizard's grasp. Charizard would just hold him to prevent it. I don't know how good Bowser's timing is, but I doubt it's enough to perfectly stop himself right at the edge. Even if it weren't he could toss Bowser, then hit him with another attack to make sure he leaves the atmosphere. Sakura isn't waiting around while Charizard captures Bowser-she's smashing the ground and knocking the twins off balance. There's no way they would have time to save Bowser before Sakura's attack was onto them. The twin's Big Shell would be disabled immediately by the bits of rubble flying into them. The twin's wouldn't be able to dodge thousands of bits of rock smashing into them from all around- it just isn't possible. Sakura can likely throw Bowser fast enough, and even if she didn't she could just jump up after him and smash him the rest of the way. She could easily use a substitution technique to avoid the shell. If you actually watch Pro's video, neither Mario or Luigi are actually going that fast. On the other hand the ninjas in Naruto can move so fast they appear to vanish and reappear to the untrained eye. Neither Mario or Luigi would stand a chance. It takes hours for Sakura to run out of Chakra, as evidenced by her epic fight with Sasori, and she could easily wipe the floor with both twins in that time. Sakura wouldn't be knocked unconscious- in M&L Bowser inhales multiple enemies which remain conscious. She wouldn't lose her strength upon being shrinked- it would simply be on a smaller scale. She could bust a small hole in Bowser then escape, returning to normal. 2. Operation Shield. Bowser is choked, then incinerated from the inside out. Joy might not be able to launch Bowser from the arena, but Peach could still blow them into Charizard's arms, who then does the same thing with the twins as with Bowser. They would certainly not be able to stop him. Again, viewers are free to look at Pro's video, but it doesn't actually look like they can do it that fast. Besides, it takes them a while to power it up, and this isn't a turn based match where enemies wait for you to do that. They'd be crushed before they managed it. Okay, having looked at clips it would seems that Bowser has lost some weight for M&L, but this still doesn't mean he is lithe enough to dodge Charizard's attacks. Plus, Pro has no actual evidence that he can dodge attacks, since he never does in the game. I have already addressed Sakura. She would just kick his shell like a football, launching it from the arena. Saying Bowser can duck doesn't amount to saying how Bowser can avoid every one of Charizard's attacks- Obviously, Charizard can as well so the point is moot. What matters is which would be likely to beat the other. Charizard would have the advantage since he can use aerial attacks like Sky attack, which Bowser's spikes couldn't stop. The twins are KO'd by Peach's rage/Charizard's overheat/ Sakura smashing their heads in (or off the planet). Sakura is hardly easy prey for Bowser, since she can avoid attacks using substitution and move far faster than Bowser. And how does Bowser attack Sakura while under attack by Charizard? Peach could heal all his wounds, giving Charizard a huge advantage, since both would be damaged at that point. Charizard would just hold Bowser while Peach uses her rage attacks on him. Bowser would succumb to the attacks before too long. Flaws; 1a. And how does Bowser run all the way around the planet, while avoiding Charizard, before the girls come out the other end? There's no way Bowser is fast enough. 1b. Sakura can use ordinary clones- clones which can fool enemies but have no mass unlike shadow clones. She can also use substitution to avoid attacks. Sakura's power is already addressed. 2m. Yes, with a crucial difference that Pro has totally ignored despite me pointing it out! To quote: ' All team members are still subjected to their own emotions, natures, or other psychological restrictions'. All my points here are totally unrefuted, and this is one of the points where Team Con have a large advantage. 2i. They would be blown away eliminating them for the time being. And if the twins don't die-just get knocked out, then there's no problem is there? 2s. They aren't. In conclusion; All team Con has a significant battle advantage over Team Pro. In numerous places, Pro's own strategies lead to the demise of his own Team mates (such as when Bowser tries to use the shroom to suck Charizard in). Bowser inhaling the girls has been thoroughly refuted. Sakura can smash Bowser and co. off the stage. Charizard can fly them off the stage. In frontal combat, Sakura is unmatched, Charizard would have the advantage over Bowser and could incinerate the twins with ease. In the end, team Con is victorious. http://www.youtube.com...