The earth is a big ole ball.

So the debate has apparently moved to NASA and what we can perceive. (Debate on Earth's shape -> Gravity > Moon/Sun > NASA/Perception ) - This has been a Pro has done a poor job at maintaining the current debate, and has instead tried to disorientate their opposition by throwing as many variables as possible to try and make us lose track of what we are debating here. What we are debating is proof that Earth is in fact a globe in shape, not 'flat' or whatever other variations you may have for this word. Currently your evidence appears to be that your sight of the land is flat, therefore it is flat; and that NASA is an untrustworthy source of information. I have since gone through previous debates you currently have open - ALL state that the earth is flat, and all evidence that is provided against you is left hanging in the wind, you do not openly accept this new information, instead moving through to another conspiracy that you appear to hope will confuse them enough to leave you an opening to wiggle out from. Debating the same topic is fine, but disregarding all evidence in each debate, to spear-head your propaganda is ridiculous to say the least, I have lost respect for you as an opponent. To Debunk your last message, which I sympathized with initially that it had cut you off short, however now I am not feeling so Charitable, so I will continue with the debate from the information you left standing. "if you just walked outside and looked around, especially at sea LEVEL, you would assume that the place you were living was relatively if not mostly flat." Correct, and looking up one would ASSUME that the sky is blue, perhaps even a mental leap to say the sky is actually water! (Water is blue - Sky is blue, ergo SKY IS WATER) I can easily debunk this claim, firstly by re-iterating that you even conceded that this would only be apparent if you were at SEA level, i.e. - as far down as you can go without seeing the entire *picture* - Raise the elevation, your sight increases exponentially, Higher again and you can see even farther, at which point the curvature of the earth is apparent. http://physics.stackexchange.com... In the above link, you can see an image, which shows that at sea level, the earth would most certainly would seem flat - however elevate it, and the cross in visions are clear indications that the plain is not flat. A curve, granted it moves on infinitely, will always end at the beginning, making a 'Circle' - Basic logic will deduce that the earth is shaped, and not at all a flat surface, no matter how many times you tell yourself. Your claim on NASA are irrelevant, Especially around the concept of Gravity : "If you took Nasa out of the equation, gravity, as described by pro wouldn't exist, with gravity comes the globe, the 93billion mile sun and every thing related to this model. In short, no personal observation or experiments can prove that part of"science" even exists" False. NASA May have provided us with pictures of the earth - however they are not the originators of the idea of Gravity. I will provide a link below this that shows where the first written account on someone discovering gravity (Please note, they have nothing to do with NASA, and were actually in Greece when this happened - WAAAAY away from America). The link below also contains mathematical equations, which are universally agreed is the ultimate truth in context of science and Astrology. https://en.wikipedia.org... In Summation, I have tired of this "debate", as I have been angered greatly. I joined this debate in the hopes of a healthy argument, with no personal feelings/attachments to the subject affecting the debate, so we can objectively view the information itself - I am not going to delve further on the drivel that has been spewed forth by one who refuses to even acknowledge another person's heartfelt attempts at proving their point of a debate, and will inevitably steamroll into the next round with more bogus claims which have no "credible" source apart from Youtube, and will likely ignore whatever outcome this debate has, instead creating another stream of debates on the EXACT same topic, going over the EXACT same problems, receiving the EXACT same answers (Within context, spelling is not exact). "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." Albert Einstein