(Pro) Atheistic evolution vs creationism (con)

R4 DefenseI will now defend my r2 argument against my opponent's r3 rebuttal. "But even given the above, evolution is no more a legitimate theory than before, and creationism no less. Why couldn't some other god (like the god of the Hindus or the Indians) have created all of existence? The debate is about whether evolution or creationism is the more valid theory." Kescarte_DeJudicaCreationism is not a theory but instead a belief also known as faith based approach. Creationism is the belief in the literal interpretation of teligious texts."Pro didn't make an argument for evolution using scientific data, or explain why it was a more valid theory than creationism (or "obliterate" creationism")." Kescarte_DejudicatI thought it was overkill to explain any more about evolution. Evolution is common knowledge and commonly accepted within the scientific community."Many people (including Christians) believe in a young earth, and there still are various communities and individuals who believe in a flat Earth. And they are not all loony, mentally disturbed, idiots for that matter, even though some are. For a conversation on why the Earth is (possibly) flat, I strongly recommend you get in touch with Edlvsjd. You'll notice he commented down below." Kescarte_DejudicatAd populum fallacy, there is no merit to this argument. Instead, my opponent focuses that some people believe the Earth is flat without giving any details. "I also don't deny that God (and Jesus) ordered many violent acts throughout the Old Testament. I do disagree however, with the idea that such acts are immoral. Why? Because if God is the creator of all things (including morality) then it stands to reason he and he alone decides what is and is not moral. We as humans, aka, the creation, have no right to question the morality of our creator." Kescarte_DejudicatAppeal to authority. Authority figures are not supposed to break their own rules and create seemingly arbitrary double standards. Furthermore, killing someone just for being impure is an overly harsh judgment and thus unjust. People can often be reasoned with, a better solution would be to tell the person why such an action is wrong and ask them to halt the action. If the person continues apply incrementally harsher penalties. For example, if God wanted to halt someone who was committing the sin of Sloth, God could attempt to reason with the person, and then punish that person with a fee of $500, $1000, $2000, and so on for each offense respectively. "Also, with the example of Noah's Ark, he showed justice to those he had slain, and mercy to Noah, as he favored Noah." Kescarte_DejudicatDrowning is a painful way to die. This was by no means justice. Imagine if someone body was to drive drunk, but not have an accident, and the person was sentenced to death for the trespass. Breaking the drunk driving law was unjust, but so was the overly harsh punishment. This is not justice, two wrongs do not make a right. This is a twisted gnarled version of justice so much that it is the complete opposite, and unjust. "The one exception to the 7-year rule was that of a slave who voluntarily wished to stay with his master. In such a case, the slave would have his ear marked, and become a slave for life." KescarteSlavery is immoral, even when the master is kind. "Finally, we have the "impossible scenarios" bit. Again, if the Creator of the Universe wishes to do impossible things, he may do them freely. After all, he is the one who created natural laws that would make such tasks impossible. But not being bound by laws of his own creations, he may intervene within them as he pleases. This would allow for Jonah surviving for three days within a fish, or Noah surviving for a year on the ark." KescarteYou still haven't explained how a divine being could exist in the first place. Stating the creator always existed is a non-answer and creates more questions than answers. A human can create a stone wall, but may not be able to destroy the wall. Just because God can create a natural law, there is no reason to believe that God could break such a natural law.Thanks for the debate. Sources.12. http://www.skepdic.com...13. https://www.logicallyfallacious.com...