Christian and being Gay

This is certainly an interesting topic so lets try to get right in to it. Some of your last round that you spent describing the Bible was interesting, but orthogonal to the issue at hand. So, please don't mind if I ignore it in my response. ==================== Summarizing the argument ==================== ---> "First, you seem you don't really have an opinion on being gay and a Christian." I've tried to make my views on this matter clear. So, allow me to surmise my arguments tersely. Firstly, the Bible condemns gay relationships. Therefore, even from a biblical perspective your argument fails. Secondly, Christianity is spurious and has no evidence to support its key metaphysical claims. Therefore one should not be a Christian under any circumstance, especially if one is gay. Lastly, gay people shouldn't be Christians because this would be an unacceptable form of collusion with a bigoted and loathsome religion. Christianity is culpable in its contempt for knowledge; for its mistreatment of women; for it mistreatment of gays; for its hatred of sex; for its mistreatment of non-believers; for its mistreatment of other religious people; for its mistreatment of children; for its mistreatment of animals, and for the snide superciliousness with which it promulgates its delusions. And to support Christianity by being a member is therefore to give tacit support to this system. You may wish to claim that the Christians who engage in this behavior aren't following the Bible. But deep down you know that that isn't true. Given a prejudiced selection of the bible certain passages can be used to bring out the worst in people. And as long as those verses remain in the Bible your going to keep hearing people like Pat Robertson make their same bigoted arguments over and over again. ====== Case Con- Rebuttals ====== ---> "To support Christianity is therefore to support the hatred and ignorance that it inspires."- Freeman "No, not necessarily. This statement is morally wrong on many accounts, religions, and humanity for that matter. I support this website: debate.org. Does that mean I support everything everyone debates, writes, and talks about? No. But according to your logic, I do and so do you."- calvinknightley This argument consists of both a straw man fallacy and a false analogy. [1] [2] Debate.org isn't a religion or worldview and is not committed to any ideological perspective. To compare the Internet or DDO with Christianity is therefore fallacious. If Debate.org had any underlying principle it would be something close to the following, "free and open inquiry are to be respected". Unlike a particular religion DDO isn't committed to vindicating any specific belief or point of view. Therefore by supporting DDO you and I are both supporting the idea that "free and open inquiry are to be respected" and not any particular argument. The essence of Debate.org is not some aggregation of every debate that has ever been presented; it is simply the medium through which ideas can freely be contested. Christianity, on the other hand, does have a particular ideological purview and by supporting it you implicitly support that purview. I'm afraid that it is you not I that is guilty of faulty logic. ---> "The fact that the Bible contains all of this and has survived over hundreds of years is nothing short of a miracle and something to be taken very seriously and not as a fantasy." The fact that the Bible is old and has survived does not make it credible. The Iliad is even older than the Bible; perhaps you should consider converting to paganism. [3] Unless you have any arguments in favor of the Bibles veracity that aren't fallacious my points about the Bible being ridiculous and implausible remain standing. === ---> "Thirdly, the Bible doesn't give specific instructions on how to kill somebody." === Stubborn children were to be stoned, and the stoning was to be instigated by their parents. (Duet 21:18-21) Last time I checked stoning someone was a specific method of murder. === ---> "Jesus counter-argument all of this and that these rituals, sacrifices, etc. were to stop." === I would appreciate it if you show me the passage you are referring to. Jesus also said that every aspect of the law must be followed. "I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished." - Matthew 5:18 NIV [4] The last time I checked heaven and Earth haven't disappeared. Secondly, the fact that Jesus contradicts the Old Testament is only evidence of the Bibles inconsistency. Furthermore, your exegesis of scripture was partly amusing but I'm not all that impressed with the way you try to defend certain instances of murder, slavery, and barbarism. I think we can say with reasonable moral certainty that children's parents shouldn't murder them even if they are stubborn, rebellious, gluttonous, and drunk. ======== Conclusion ======== Unless one has good reasons to believe that something is true one should not believe it. And this method of logic would apply equally to Christianity, because no Christian has good evidence that would vindicate the main core of their beliefs. In other words, one shouldn't be Christian period because the core claims of Christianity are unsupported by evidence. It follows from this gay people should also not be Christians because the foundation for Christianity is no more validated for them than for anyone else. (Resolution negated) Sources: [1] http://en.wikipedia.org... [2] http://en.wikipedia.org... [3] http://classiclit.about.com... [4] http://bible.cc...