Quran alone : The misled Sunni/Shia (the followers of hadith for guidance)

1- SamiriBased on the fundamentals of Islam, all that is considered as god other than Allah is false, I added the word for emphasis.You had attributed different false describtion to hadith, which are:1- Guidance without approval (or from) Allah:False. Please prove this claim. Wouldn't a prophet, you know, be more knowledgable about the commands from God?[43] And We sent not before you except men to whom We revealed [Our message]. So ask the people of the message if you do not know.[44] [We sent them] with clear proofs and written ordinances. And We revealed to you the message that you may make clear to the people what was sent down to them and that they might give thought.(Quran 16:43-44)http://quran.com...The former verse gives permission to ask messangers. Therefore, you claim is refuted.According to your stance, interrupting the later verse would be circular logic. "We sent verses to interrupt verses". Which will require veress to interrupt the verses that interrupt the verses and so forth. The verse clearly addresses Mohammad (PBUH) and he is to perform an action, which is to clarify.He who obeys the Messenger has obeyed Allah ; but those who turn away - We have not sent you over them as a guardian.(Quran 4:80)http://quran.com...You can find a dozen verses with similar context. So I don't understand that objection regarding following the prophet.2- Only to mislead man:Simply providing the definition of Hadith would contradict your claim.{3} Nor does he speak from [his own] inclination.{4} It is not but a revelation revealed,(Quran 53:3-4)http://quran.com...If you claim that this verse only speaks about Quranic revelation, then do you mean that the Prophet can give wrong religious commands and mistakenly lead people to falsehood?3- Similar to Samiri:Sounds like a very weak analogy. Can you point the similarities between worshiping a calf idol and recording the words and actions of prophet?You are willing to accept Hadiths for historical purposes. Which implies that you acknowledge that they can be accurate.Leaving your issue with the hadith a matter of which we can use them as guidance.Say, "Obey Allah and obey the Messenger; but if you turn away - then upon him is only that [duty] with which he has been charged, and upon you is that with which you have been charged. And if you obey him, you will be [rightly] guided. And there is not upon the Messenger except the [responsibility for] clear notification."(Quran 24:54)http://quran.com...Once again, one of the methods to be rightly guided is obeying the prophet. Please address this statement.Say, [O Muhammad], "If you should love Allah , then follow me, [so] Allah will love you and forgive you your sins. And Allah is Forgiving and Merciful."(Quran 3:31)http://quran.com...Loving Allah is connected with following the prophet. Notice that the order is absolute and sets no restrictions, therefore we can use methods other than the Quran in order to follow Mohammad (PBUH) like observation.Since you can accept the Hadith as a historical reference, then please answer these question:1- Does the prophet give commands? Is he obeyed in religious matters?2- Did Muslims ask the prophet questions for clarification? Does he clarify and explains some verses in the Quran?3- Did Mohammad (PBUH) point that somethings are halal or haram?Really, it is almost like you are saying that sahaba should obey and follow the prophet, but we are not required to.An other issue is the relability of your translation.This is the Book about which there is no doubt, a guidance for those conscious of Allah - Thalika alkitabu larayba feehi hudan lilmuttaqeen(Quran 2:2) http://quran.com...You claim that the verse is translated as "The guidance". However, "Al" (The) is not attached to the word "Huda" (Guidance). Therefore, a literal translation for "Fihi Huda" would be "Contains guidance".Your criticism of the farewell sermon is fundamentally flawed. Assuming 100,000 people witnessed it doesn't mean the testamony of 100,000 people were taken. As I said, Hadiths are not perfect, and stydying them is taken seriously.Regarding the unclear concept of "portation of teahing", as I said: You misinterrupted and misunderstood the verse. Samiri never talked about any teaching, he talked about constructing the calf idol.And since you brought more insight on the concept, then please:1- Demonstrate that all Hadiths are mean to recreate personal desires.2- Explain how and what do you mean by Hadiths making something WITHOUT the truths approval3- Demonstrate that Hadiths are not with conjunction with the truth.2- Sending down revelationI remind you that the Mohammad's (PBUH) prophethood is sent down by Allah. So unless you are claiming that the prophet's words and actions are in contradiction to Allah's commands, I don't see how Hadiths contradicts your point.3- Thousands years in betweenIf that is the case, then mentioning pharoah being in Imam at all is meaningless and can count as a red herring.I have addressed your points regarding humans being tempted, and standing with the prophet and Quran in the previous round.4- Perfection of the Quran & Following example & Asking the QuranI am using the standard definition of "Teach", which includes giving lessons.So how did Allah teach you? During your dreams? With revelations? With an angel? With a secret prophet?When you say that the prophet taught the people, you mean gave them the study material, which is the Quran. However, the Hadiths are the methods of recording those lessons he taught the people.There has certainly been for you in the Messenger of Allah an excellent pattern for anyone whose hope is in Allah and the Last Day and [who] remembers Allah often. (Quran 33:21)http://quran.com...The prophet is a role model whom Allah have recommended following for those who have strong faith in Allah. Allah even ordered numerous times for us to follow the prophet's commands.Then there is the part regarding the ridiculous claim that the Quran explained everything.1- PrayerI agree that Prayer + Charity + Fasting was mentioned for Ibrahim and prophets after him.Before I address "How to pray using the Quran", I will address your claim of the number of prayers using the Quran.I am going to quote from an article by an indvidual who rejects Hadith, in which said indvidual argues that we are obligated to perform only three prayers according to the Quran. [1]"Sala for the believers is conducted regularly at three times each day (24:58, 11:114, 2:238, 17:78)."Here is a fact: Only two prayers are mentioned by name in the Quran ("Fajr" and "Esha"), alongside a "Middle prayer".The reference of time of prayer can easily be aimed at Fajr and Esha. So how do you prove you are right without hindsight bias.Regarding knowing the steps of prayer using the Quran, you provided references to standing, bowing, and prostration. However that is extremly vague.1- How do you bow? How long is the bow? Are you required to say any prayer during bowing?Martial artists have all sorts of different bows too. Since it is not mentioned in the Quran, do we have the freedom of choice?2- How do we prostrate, since there are different types of prostration? [2] Is it OK to do a Buddhist prostration?3- Can we pray naked if we are in privacy? Is there a verse in the Quran against that?4- Is the Friday (Jumu'ah) prayer not required? And if we perform such prayer, do we only do two Rakat? Does the Friday prayer do for the Zuhr prayer?5- Do we need to recite Fatiha, or anything in the Quran for that matter, during prayer?6- Do we sit during prayer? Is there a second prostration during prayer? Is there a tashahhud just before the end of prayer? As a matter of fact, do we even need to end prayer in a certain way?As for me bringing the steps and number of prayer using the hadith, it is easy:"offer your prayers in the way you saw me offering my prayers"http://sunnah.com...Sunnah refers to both the words AND actions of the prophet. We simply followed the way he prays till today, since teaching by example is more effective than words regarding more complex rituals like salat.Number of prayers, once again, easy: Abu Huraira reported that the Messenger of Allah (way peace be upon him) said: Five prayers and one Friday prayer to (the next) Friday prayer are expiatious (for the sins committed in the intervals) between them. http://sunnah.com... Jabir b. 'Abdullah reported that the Messenger of Allah (A018;) said: The similitude of five prayers is like an overflowing river passing by the gate of one of you in which he washes five times daily Hasan said: No filthiness can remain on him. http://sunnah.com...2- HajjWhat is your criteria for calling something "Detailed", is it as detailed as prayer? And can your prove your claim from the Quran?The stonning is a symbolism of the incident. There is no idol for the devil, nor do (the majority) muslims believe they are stonning a devil.3- ZakatI asked you for the AMOUNT, you did not provide a specific answer.How do you know you are allowed to have saving or make investments since they can be considered "Excess of our need"?And finally your rebutual of my verses:1- We don't need a reference for Ibrahim since the Quran already mentioned the example."There has already been for you an excellent pattern in Abraham and those with him, when they said to their people..." [3]However, the verses mentioning the example of Mohammad (PBUH) directly talks to the Muslims while not mentioning any example that it talks about. Which means observation is the only method of knowing said examples.2- The verses says "Obey Allah AND the messanger", which means that there are two seperate commands. Refer to verse 4:80 which is also mentioned above.I never argued against the validity or superiority of the Quran as the word of Allah. Which is a strawman.[1] http://www.19.org... [2] http://en.wikipedia.org...[3] http://quran.com...