Nicean Trinity against Socinus' Trinity

Adonai Not Equivalent to YahwehIn both Psalm 110:1 and 5 Christ is referred to as "adonai" not as the tetragrammaton. Yahweh says to my adonai:“Sit at My right handUntil I make Your enemies a footstool for Your feet.The adonai is at Your right hand;He will shatter kings in the day of His wrath."I fail to see how my opponent successfully claims that the Christ is referred to as Yahweh. The adonai/Christ is at Yahweh's right hand, but he is not Yahweh himself.The Wisdom of GodAs already mentioned, the wisdom of God in Proverbs 8 is a personification of wisdom, not literal wisdom, so it is not saying that there was a time when Yahweh was without wisdom. It appears that my opponent uses faulty translations for some of his quotes.Revelation 3:14 'The beginning* of God's creation" This shows that the Son is part of creation, not the source.(*Greek-arche, meaning beginning)Colossians 1:15 The first-born of every creatureRomans 8:29 He would be the firstborn among many brethrenThis langauge does not put Christ over creation, as that translation does an injustice to the greek, but puts him as being involved with creation. We would not say that Yahweh is the firstborn of creation, but we can say that Jesus is the firstborn because he is the Logos, or word, of God. But to be the word of God means you are spoken into existence. John 5:26The Father gave the son to have life. If the Son was eternal with the Father, he would not need to be given life. The Trinity1 Timothy 6:3 "If anyone advocates a different doctrine and does not agree with sound words, those of our Lord Jesus Christ, and with the doctrine conforming to godliness"The trinity was not taught by Jesus or his disciples. It is not a sound doctrine, as it defies the laws of logic, and therefore this trinity doctrine is a false doctrine.2 Thessalonians 2:3-4 "Let no one in any way deceive you, for it will not come unless theapostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction,who opposes and exalts himself aboveevery so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, displaying himself as being God"The apostasy is the teaching of the trinity, a concept taught by bishops who exalt themselves in the church, and eventually one bishop exalting himself to the level of pope, changing and altering the creeds of faith.The trinity is an evolved doctrine. In the nicene creed, it left out the holy spirit. It was essentially a duality of Gods. With the athanasian creed, it became trinitarian. The Holy SpiritYes, the Spirit is another helper. The Father gives us His spirit, that He may be with us forever. The fellowship of the spirit is a phrase that essentially means having a fellowship while filled with God's presence, or shekhinah. The seven spirits before the throne isn't talking about the Holy spirit, but of angels, which is mentioned later in the same chapter of Revelation 1You didn't seem to rebut my proposition on the spirit of God being in the same as comparison to the spirit of man.Jesus as AngelPro "First, let me elucidate that no where in the bible is Jesus directly called an angel"As I pointed out, Paul explicity calls Jesus an angel of God in Galations 4:14Pro "Hebrews 1 on the other hand clearly states that Jesus IS NOT an angel"Hebrews 1:9 "Therefore God, Your God, has anointed YouWith the oil of gladness above Your companions"If Jesus isn't an angel, then who are his companions?How can an unbegotten God be of the same nature as a begotten son? That is not logical.Ante-Nicean QuotesPro "You misinterpret your quotations from the Ante-Nicean Patristics"I deny your objection and present the objection back towards you. I quoted Justin and Irenaeus directly, and supplied a link to their full writings. You, on the other hand, provided links to someone a short treatise of quote mining them and drawing false conclusions.Justin and Irenaues both described The God as Unbegotten and placed the Begotten Son in a place second to God. This is in direct contrast to the Nicene and Athanasian Creeds, claiming them to be equal.Various Quotes from Jesus and PaulAs stated in round 2, we must understand how the original Christians understood Jesus' message. When he makes claims that only the Father is the true God, that the Father is both Jesus' God and our God in the same manner, we must acknowledge that these words were spoken to the common Jewish people, not educated men and women in metaphysics and philosophy. The simple truth of the matter is that the first Jews who met and heard Jesus speak did not think he was claiming to be Yahweh, the creator of the universe. Pre-Christian TrinityPro "There is no historical evidence that there is a pre-christian Trinity"I can show numerous Trinities:Hindusim- Brahma, Vishnu, ShivaEgyptian- Amun, Re, PtahSumerian- Anu, Enlil, EaAristotle- All things are three, and thrice is all: and let us use this number in the worship of the godshttp://www.ucg.org...Mystery TrinityYou say that the trinity is not a mystery. I ask that you explain the trinity in coherent, logical terms.An Angel Can't Redeem UsI quoted the book of Job, showing that it was prophesied an angel had to save us, and Malachi calles him the angel of the covenant. As mentioned, the book of Hebrews calls the angels the companions of Jesus, thus showing that he was an angel, or messenger of God.