scientifically inexplicable happenings occur that appear supernatural but almost never to atheists

Thank you again for your argument. Pro stated "first he just ignores that i said "appears supernatural". and it may have not been the best worded request, but everyone knows what i mean when i say "appears"." - I haven't ignored, as you can easily read my previous arguments I clearly stated that atheists/skeptics do not hold to the belief of the supernatural and miracles so to request a "miraculous" example for atheists is a non sequitor. Also, to claim that "everyone knows what I mean" isn't a valid explanation seeing that when someone states something is supernatural in origin is to say that the laws of physics have been momentarily suspended and the same definition goes for anything to have been claimed miraculous, so since those are the definitions of such words then no atheists/skeptics can provide examples of such seeing that atheists/skeptics don't hold to those beliefs. Pro stated "find something that is of the same magnitude as what is provided for theists. cancer remission isn't of the same magnitude cause there are readily available explanations for that" - That is correct, there are medical explanations as to what causes cancer remissions in patients who were diagnosed with cancer, but cancer remissions is by far a "cure" or even "miraculous" in nature, some have been documented to have returned. I cited this as an example of why some who profess to have consulted a healer, who have cancer, later no longer have it, and immediately conclude that this was a miraculous incident. After these claims are investigated, like in the case of Kathryn Kuhlman healing up to 25 people, showed that they were in fact not miraculously healed but rather some of the medical ailments have gone away on its own (e.g. depression, irritable bowl syndrome, chronic illness etc.) which are medically documented to go away on it's own, nothing miraculous about that. Other patients who had cancer, were told by this healer that they were healed, later were found to still have the cancer or not have the cancer they complained about but rather had something else much worse which wasn't even cured. Pro stated "unless your bottom line is that it all happens by placebo? but even if that's true, there should be a placebo for atheists at least in some situations. but bottom line... do you hinge your whole debate on placebo? " - The placebo effect is simply an example of many of where you have people who have ailments (e.g. chronic illness, depression, cold, etc.), consults a healer or even just prays about it, the ailment goes away, and immediately attributes it to miraculous healing. As my previous argument, some studies have shown that when you present such patients under controlled experiments where the doctor prescribes to the patient a pill, in where they are informed is the supposed "cure" but in fact is simply a sugar pill, the patient eventually gets better like the case of depression. The experiment showed that in cases where people are depressed are given this placebo are later found to have been cured of their depression but unbeknownst to the patient they did this on their own, no real cures. This goes hand in hand with the experiment conducted regarding the power of prayer. Pro stated ""Yes most if not all "cures" have a scientific explanation." do i detect a hint of reservation? that there might not be a natural explanation?" - As mentioned, what I provided are just some of the examples that shows a natural explanation of such claims. I placed quotes on the word cures because in medical science there a few things that are "cured" but for most medical ailments like cancer remissions they seem like cures but in actuality they're not cures because it has been documented that some cancers have returned even returning worse than before. Yet, other medical ailments such as depression, chronic illnesses, have gone away for some on their own without any medical attention, some have been provided medical attention either with real medication like anti-depressants or simply given a placebo (sugar pill) and have "cured" themselves of such ailments. These examples simply show that there are natural explanations of apparent miraculous healing, that's it. Pro stated "as for the intercessory prayers study, i'm sure if miracles did occur, they wouldn't if the people actively being monitored. that is not 'of faith'. it's bad enough that miracles do putatively occur, and might not be viewed as 'of faith', and people just write them off.... but even that given the hardness of heart still must be 'of faith'." - So Pro is stating that in order for miraculous cures to occur the person needs to strongly believe it to be so and it will happen, much like how Uri Geller in the 60s-70s promoted the idea that if you believe something strong enough you can "will it" to be so. These believers have shown to have a strong zeal a strong conviction to what they thought was a miraculous healing or that the healer was in fact divine. - Which brings to my concluding thoughts: This debate brings to mind of an incident in the 80s in where James Randi exposed healers for what they are, as an example I will quickly highlight a former famed miracle healer, Peter Popoff. James exposed this person for fake healing and even though James as well as other skeptics knew that this person was a fake, the people who followed him did not. So to answer your last statement, his people clearly showed that they had much faith in the power of miraculous healing, and despite Peter Popoff being a fraud, would it not make sense that since the followers had such "faith" that their "faith" alone would have healed them? I would assume so, but as the investigation held by James Randi revealed later after catching up with some of Peter Popoff's followers, some weren't healed of their ailments, some of died of the ailments that they thought was cured, and other were stricken with a different ailment which wasn't known much less even miraculously healed. In conclusion, no atheists/skeptics can provide supernatural or miraculous claims seeing that atheists/skeptics do not share the belief in such claims. What has been investigated in medical science simply shows natural explanations to supposed "miraculous cures". I do appreciate Pro's participation in this debate which I've thoroughly enjoyed, thank you! Resources: Miracle Definition: http://en.wikipedia.org... Supernatural Definition: http://en.wikipedia.org... Uri Geller: http://en.wikipedia.org... Peter Popoff: http://en.wikipedia.org...