Money Can Bring Happiness

"more the money we possess, more is the worry and fear of losing it." Less the money, more the worry about how to pay bills and put food on the table. See, most people in the world are not like the very few saints Con goes on about in India who get free food, shelter and clothing from their devoted followers and associates. The rest of us live in the real world where we actually have to get up in the morning and go to work in order to get money to make a decent living. Just imagine if all the money in ten thousands randoms homes were to vanish. How many of these families would be happy? Not much. Maybe a few select saints in India? Come on Con, we are talking about the general effects of money, and you can't decide its effect on the majority based on the doctrine that a minority are happy without it. These saints of yours, do they have mortgages to pay? Do they have to pay rent, utility bills, land tax? Let's be realistic, I'm not saying that people cannot find happiness in other sources besides money, but I am saying that money brings happiness because it is both needed and valued by the majority of the earth's population. "but can that payment of bill prevent his old age, disease, death." Does the beliefs of these saints you mention prevent their old age, disease and death? No! Yet you claim their beliefs, God, or whatever you call it, makes them happy. Doing God's will never stop a single human being from getting old and dying. But when people are sick and in need to medical treatment the money can pay for that, which will and does prolong lives. And there are many quite curable diseases and medical conditions out there. My uncle has diabetes, and he needs to buy medication every few weeks. Without it he certainly isn't happy; he's in much pain, itch, and so forth. The money makes him comfortable and he enjoys the little relief. Many people even commit suicide because they can't pay their bills, so don't tell me money doesn't save lives, it does. "He may get some temporary satisfaction, but that will vanish as soon as he gets misery in other form, at that point even if he has money, he will be miserable." Saints get problems in other forms too even while they are still doing what their religion says is God's will, and they experience grief over many things such as loss of loved ones. Are are you gonna tell me saints don't grieve? That nonsense argument works both ways. Even temporary happiness is still happiness. If Con admits money brings temporary happiness, then money does make you happy and I've won the debate. I never argues about "eternal" happiness, because nobody lives forever, and what happens in the afterlife would be another debate which cannot be covered in the scope of this debate. Con actually compared having enough money to do what one wants to a person getting high on drugs. What a laugh. I wonder if he'd still say that about a philantrophist who uses his money to feed the hungry and get joy out of that. Money gives freedom to do what one wants, including purchasing the best technology and research materials to do and indepth study of karma, and the genuiness or heresy of his "saints." "money does not create moments. so does that mean the richest of the people, have lot of moments and they are eternally happy?" Take away all the money for ten thousand families in America, this would reduce them to poverty. Now, how many happy smiling moments will they have in comparison to sad moments of not being able to afford a place to stay, being open to the dangers of street life, getting soaked in he rain, and so on? Con just isn't being realistic. "So does that mean a person having lot of money is free from fear of death, if someone shows a gun at him, will he be fearless?" Money can buy one the best in security systems so that they feel more safe in dangrous neiborhoods, reducing the risk of being robbed at gun point. In fact, most armed robbers stick up poor people with little security around their homes, putting them in fear. As for the wife, without the money to afford the phone, the paper or the ink, she couldn't get the message. Money is an essential aid to her being happy. The principle of karma and reincarnation can justify any of the most ghastly forms of mass murder and genocide. Thus, the Genocide of Jews by Nazis in the Second World War can be justified by claiming that the Jews `deserved' this treatment due to their `karma' or bad deeds which they had obtained in previous lives, perhaps because they slaughtered Canaanites when they entered Palestine on their flight from Egypt. Or that the Native Americans deserved being exterminated by Europeans since they displaced a preceding Autraloid population ca. 8000 BC ? Or better still, that the Aryan Hindus deserved to be oppressed by the Muslim invaders on account of their own oppression of Indigenous Sudras ! Does the killer of a million people become reborn again to be murdered a million times by those same people he killed ? The reason why there are no answers to these questions is the whole motive behind the idea of reincarnation: to invent a doctrine that justified the Vedic apartheid varna system as well as the Aryan Genocide of Sudroids. How can I rogress from a bad state in which I was born when I can't even remember my former mistakes in the previous life in order to learn from them? Yet, it is for these sins I am being punished? The false doctrine of karma holds no water in this debate. "Let's say you eat your favorite dish, for how long does the happiness stay? for 1-2 hours." So Con's argument is that temporary happiness isn't happiness. That's like saying that moeny that doesn't last forever isn't money. This debate is not about if money brings "everlasting" happiness. Just because marriage doesn't bring "everlasting" happiness doesn't mean marriage can't make you happy, the same can be said of money. Con is trying to change the topic into a religious one about "eternal" happiness. Sly trick. "Ultimate happiness is the happiness of the soul which is eternal. which comes by self realization" If Con ever did economics he would know that on Manslow's Heirchy of Needs, "self-actualization" or "self-realization" is only achieved AFTER one has covered his basic needs, and in the modern world people need money in order to do that. They aren't so fortunate as the handful of so-called "saints" he mentions to get everything free. Pro's own source said: "The study revealed that people in Bangladesh,one of the poorest countries in the world, derive far more happiness FROM THEIR SMALL INCOMES than, for example, the British (32nd on the list) do from their relatively large bank balances." http://www.imserba.com... Notice the people in Bangladesh derive more "happiness" from their what? From their small what? "Incomes." So even according to his own source the people get their happiness from their money. It matters not that a rich person somewhere else gets less happiness from his much money than a Bangladeshi gets form his. Point being, in both cases the money is what brings the happiness. Bangladesh only had a small unemploymenty rate of %4.0 in 2009 and their cost of living isn't as high as in other places so one can see why most in its population are happy in contrast to the US with soaring unemployment. I'll more to say on these surveys later. "Can money guarantee you that it can cure illness?" Yes it can, if you can afford a transplant and you have the right donor. http://www.aidsmap.com... Money funded the eradication of smallpox and rinderpest. Money cannot pay for the cures not yet discovered, but it can provide the treatment to one can live a relatively normal life. Much more to come in the next round.