Parents Should Vaccinate Their Children

Thanks Pro for this debate. By this round, it was already time to learn from my errors, and that's why I'm here to learn, and as a self-observer and thanks to Pro, I couldn't ignore some lack of form and presentation in my arguments, and I see this last round as a way to clean my mistakes and to make my point clear. First, by Pros rules, in last round it isn't allowed to create new arguments, and he/she says that 'the entire debate comes down to whether the risks of "side-effects"'. This shows that Pro evades completely two of my arguments on the previous round, and by quoting and reinforce those statements, I'm not breaking the rules. [1] The fact that our government, and all the powerful entities that are on top of the pyramid may not act in offspring of the button of the hierarchy, or in other words, us, the lower and middle classes, and may only look to keep the power and money, and not watch the means to get to the end. -From a TED interview to Bill Gates, the founder of Microsoft and a "philanthropist", says himself this "The world today has 6.8 billion people. That's heading up to about nine billion. Now if we do a really great job on new vaccines, health care, reproductive health services, we could lower that [number of 9 billion] by perhaps 10 or 15 percent. But there we see an increase of about 1.3 [billion]." If we notice the sutle way he says this, we can see that we have the information in from of our eyes, we just have to be alert. "The worst blind is the one who doesn"t want to see" .() [2]The way I presented my argument about morality wasn't the perfect one, and the way PRO refutes my argument its by lowering its importance, and I'm going to show why. -"Freedom stands for something greater than just the right to act however I choose"it also stands for securing to everyone an equal opportunity for life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness." The way Pro stands about this, is that most probably is that if we don't vaccinate our children, they most likely die. If we had another round, he/she may say that it's the probability and the PROS and CONS of vaccines that make not vaccinating denying freedom. But, we have to consider many many more variables to state with certainty something like that. The possibility that they may live a healthy life, the possibility that vaccines has side-effects, like Bill Gates sayed, the possibility that if children reach a certain age were they already can make their choices, may not want to be vaccinate or didn't wanted, and many many more. PRO makes vaccines a objective fact, but it is more subjective than we think. As parents, we choose what it's best for our children, and what is best for ours, may not be the best for other parents to their children, and PRO states viously that it's a objective subject. Choosing the fate of our children comes from moral, the kind of moral I talked earlier, the kind of moral that isn't something ready-made, but is spontaneously and that comes from a conscious mind. (http://ieet.org...) -"Consciousness is the quality or state of awareness, or, of being aware of an external object or something within oneself." Going more wide about PROS arguments, and using his refute to me against him/her, "This is a blatant ad populum fallacy. Just because a lot of people say something, that doesn't make it true... But, if we are going to use ad populum fallacies to make arguments, we should appeal to the most informed group of individuals..." Well, he says that my argument is a populum fallacy, and says that if I do that he is justified to do so too, and from the beginning he is basing is entire research the principle that "If most people say it's good, it's because it's good". He tries to attack me, but by doing that is attacking himself/herself. (http://en.wikipedia.org...) PRO denies any form "logical reasoning", only standing his/her point about vaccines with studies. If most of medical enterprises which dominates the market don't what to lose power and don't want people informed, it's obvious that official websites are never going to have other things but saying that vaccinating our children is good, and we should vaccinate them despite everything. Do you believe that every study, everything they tell us is true? I advise you to see "Zeitgeist" for example, and then rethink your ideas about society. But transcending all this, going beyond the purpose of this debate, beyond who is going to win or who is really right (and in my opinion there is not a fully right or wrong answer to this question), we have to think. I'm not obsessed with theories of conspiracy or anything like that, but there are some things that just doesn't make sense. Plato himself told this with is cave allegory. The Myth of the Cave The myth talks about prisoners (from birth) living bound in chains in a cave and spend all the time looking at the back wall which is illuminated by the light generated by a fire. This wall statues of shadows are cast representing people, animals, plants and objects, showing scenes and the day-to-day. The prisoners are giving names to images (shadows), analyzing and judging the situation. " Let's imagine that one of the prisoners were forced out of the chains in order to explore the cave and the outside world. Get in touch with reality and realize that spent his life analyzing and judging only images projected by statues. Leaving the cave and get in touch with the real world would be delighted with real beings, with nature, with animals and etc. Return to the cave to pass all knowledge acquired outside the cave to his colleagues also arrested. But it would be ridiculed by telling all he saw and felt, as his colleagues can only believe in the reality they see the illuminated wall of the cave. The prisoners will call you crazy, threatening him with death if not stop talking of those ideas considered absurd. What Plato meant by the myth Humans have a distorted view of reality. In the myth, the prisoners are we that we see and believe only in images created by the culture, concepts and information we receive in life. The cave symbolizes the world, as it has in images that do not represent reality. You can only know reality, when we free ourselves of these cultural and social influences, that is, when we left the cave. (http://www.suapesquisa.com...) - I copied this from a Portuguese website, because it was better synthesized. I couldn't find a better way to finish this round, and I hope we all get out of the cave sometimes, and don't believe in the masses, but in ourselves. Thanks again PRO for this debate.