Liberals in the United States are also the enemies of the proletariat/working class.

Round three rebuttals"The first points I shall make is that liberals tend to support sales, gas, and social security taxes.Sales TaxEvery single liberal state in the United States of America, except for Oregon and New Hampshire, have a sales tax, and several of them are some of the highest, such as California's, New York's, and Washington's [1]. The problem with the sales tax is that, while it appears to be a flat tax, it is, in reality, a regressive tax. The poor are the ones who have to spend a higher percent of their money than the rich do, as the rich saves 6 times more money(as a percentage of overall money) than the poor[2]. Thus, in this instance, liberals are making things harder for the poor and middle classes." CapitalistslaveMy opponent has not offered a valid replacement for sales tax. There is flaws with any system, but to make an effective argument you need to offer a replacement. Let's take the example of the world's tallest roller coaster. Some body might say, "the roller coaster is too short!" This begs the question can a roller coaster be taller with the technology of today. Sales tax offer many benefits, mainly paying for municipal services that benefit the working class. "Gas TaxLiberal states tend to, not only have gasoline taxes, but also higher gasoline taxes than other states[3]. Since the poor and middle classes spend more of their income on gas and transportation than the rich[2], this is also a regressive tax. Liberals are also making it harder for the poor and middle classes in this case." CapitalistslaveDitto as above."Social Security Tax:While this tax is not a regressive tax, it is a flat tax, which is still detrimental to the poor, working class. Paying 6.5% of your income is more detrimental to the poor than the rich. Let's take an example: suppose person A makes $20,000 a year, and person B makes $500,000 a year. Both pay 6.5% in social security taxes. 6.5% is more detrimental to the person 20,000 because now they only have $18,700, which is hard to live off of, whereas person B has plenty of money left over: $467,500, which is plenty to live off of. " CapitalistslaveDitto as above."and generally attempt to make capitalism work better for workers, without realizing that capitalism inherently won't be better for the workers. Sure, some things can be improved through regulation, but it won't solve all problems." CapitalistslaveThis paragraph is contradictory. You claim capitalism won't inherently be better for workers, then you claim some things can be improved via regulation. Can some things can be improved by regulation or can they not? Your argument is confusing. I doubt any system can solve all problems. In an utopia society we will likely still have death, taxes, crime, war, and disease. "I will only point out problems that are inherent to capitalism that no amount of regulation(unless it is regulation that destroys the fundamentals of capitalism) can fix. Liberals don't generally support these ideas either way." CapitalistslaveI disagree, liberals might not openly support socialism due to the stigma that surrounds the word socialism. Nevertheless, liberals are opposed to inequality. Inequality is a key part of capitalism. By continuing to fight for equality on many different fronts at the same time liberals are effectively fighting for socialism, even if they don't know they are. Liberals tend to be very much pro climate change action. Climate change will affect the poor the hardest. Natural disasters always harm the poor the most. This is common knowledge and sense and requires no further warrant. This is effectively a call for equality. Telling the fossil fuel industry to stop getting rich off the backs of the poor.Affirmation action, is a call for equality, women's suffrage, gays in the military and other GLBT, that's gay lesbian, black, and trans-gender if I got the acronym correct. Might be gay, lesbian, bi-sexual, and trans-gender, I've seen conflicting meanings for the acronym. All five of these groups are worthy of our protection. Look at what Black Lives Matter is doing, calling an end to excess police violence against African Americans. Minimum wage and many more. In fact minimum wage alone might be enough to effectively destroy capitalism within itself. ""Dr. King was fully committed to low wage working people and their families. There is no better way to celebrate his birthday than to advocate for a raise in the minimum wage so that, in the words of the prophet Amos, justice will roll down like waters and righteousness like an ever-flowing stream," said Rev. Dr. Paul Sherry, coordinator of the Let Justice Roll Living Wage Campaign." [1]Equal pay for women is another progressive value that will help destroy inequality. Effectively liberals and neo-conservatives are aiming to increase equality. Capitalism cannot survive without inequality. Be aiming to destroy inequality liberals are effectively calling for an end to capitalism. They might not be doing so directly or even knowingly, but the results are benefits to the working class. "Capitalism gives no to little consent to the workersUnder capitalism, for all intents and purposes, business owners are leaders and are people with a lot of power: after all, they are the ones who decide whether you get to work for a living. However, no one consented to having these people be the ones who decide to have such power. Workers did not get to consent to who hires and fires people in the company, it's as though they don't matter for this respect, even though their co-workers are people they will have to put up with as well. Capitalism is essentially like a monarchy: you have one person at the top of an entity(business) who decides everything about that business. We are supposed to value democracy in the United States and most of the western world, yet basically no western nation has a democratic economy." CapitalistslaveI beg to differ, if you look at feudalism workers had considerable less rights than in capitalist societies. Apple pickers were paid in apples. There was little social or economic mobility. If you were an apple picker you were probably an apple picker for life. Slavery with whips and chains and indentured servitude were rampant. Also, there is laws against discrimination, you can't just fire somebody because they are a woman. Workers can cause a fuss if they want to if somebody they like get fired or hate gets hired. "Capitalism takes money away from workersThe main problem with capitalism is it is a hierarchical system which has people at the top which take money away from what could be going to the workers. I believe that a business owner is completely unnecessary, and only is a position of power that takes away profit that could be going to the worker. If I establish that a business owner is unnecessary, then this shows that capitalism is an enemy of the workers, as it keeps them below a certain wage." CapitalistslaveOn the other hand workers don't have to worry about the upkeep of the business and getting sued and losing the business. I wonder who gets the liability under your system if someone slips and falls on a hazardous surface? Workers are more free than the owner, the workers can often just simply walk away and get another job. If the owner leaves, he/she will lose the entire business and property."I would like to make the point that businesses can only offer a maximum wage to their employees before they no longer make a profit, the fact that the business owner also takes a percent of the profit, means they are taking something which could be going to increase the workers' wages. " CapitalisticslaveSomeone has to be liable, they need that profit to offset the risk of damages, insurance, and lawsuit. "Therefore, since liberals encourage taxes that hurt the poor the most, and are not opposed to the capitalist system, they are enemies of the working class and the proletariat." CapitalistslaveLiberals encourage equality which will eventually destroy capitalism. Overall, I think Capitalistslave argument focuses too much on money and not enough on workers rights, voting rights, union rights, any many other issues that lead to equality. There is no argument about vaccines for example by Capitalistslave. Vaccines are one way in which liberals tend to push for compulsory vaccines, which leads towards greater equality. Why should a few people who stubbornly fail to vaccine, infect others? This is unfair. Workers can be become infected, and thus by pushing for compulsory vaccines liberals are pushing for equality that helps destroy capitalism and helps the workers. By definition liberals are pushing for equalitty and thus are pushing to help workers and destroy capitalism. "Liberalism is a political philosophy or worldview founded on ideas of liberty and equality."Thanks for debating. Sources1. http://www.ncccusa.org...2. https://en.wikipedia.org...