(Pro) Spherical vs flat Earth (Con)

R1 moon "The shadow on the moon during a lunar eclipse shows Earth's shadow, as round. The moon is round, thus the Earth is round." Many instances have been recorded of lunar eclipses happening when both the sun and moon were above the horizon. They call them selenelions. This would be impossible if the earth were directly in line between the sun and moon. https://youtu.be... Aside from that, objects in the sky and their shapes are irrelevant to the conclusion. Thus, this observation is assumed to be a red herring until lroven otherwise. Other celestial bodies are spherical. .. This observation does not impact the resolution. Thus, this experiment is assumed to be a red herring until proven otherwise. It is very similar to saying that since the billiard balls are spherical, so then must be the table. Ships and the horizon This is the reason Aristotle postulated the earth was a ball in Ancient Greece, but this was before the time of binoculars and other telescopic devices. Next time you go to the beach, bring some binoculars with you. Start watching the ship when you can still see it, and after some time, yes, the ship does appear to start dropping below the horizon, but, this is only an illusion. Pull out your binos and magically drag the ship backwards over the curvature of the earth! Bring a telescope to make it come back twice! http://youtu.be... Magellan and planes circumnavigation The flat earth, or at least the parts we know about, is circular, with the north pole at it's center, circumnavigation just means going in a giant circle around the north pole, the fact that no one can circumnavigate from north to south is evidence of this. The map is the azimuthal equidistant map for future reference. Photos from space. Notice the grey striped in that image? This isbecause NASA has not taken a real photograph of earth since the original lunar landing. All but that image are composites, which is data taken from several satellite scans, stitched together in Photoshop. The lunar landing photo is presumed a fake also, due to this video of those astronauts faking these pictures. https://youtu.be... Since it has been proven that NASA is an unreliable source, I strongly urge voters to be skeptical of any information from that source. Which leads us to astronauts' word, which is aneqdotal, and, when examining the body language of the astronauts in the press conference after the landing, appears to be rehearsed, and even forced. https://youtu.be... Rotation of the earth. The earth has not moved an inch since God created it. Furthermore, if mass has been accumulated at the equator as my opponent claims, since liquid is more readily moved than land, the entire equator would be void of land mass. The Michelson Morley experiment proved lack of motion, as did Aireys failure. Due to the former experiments unbelievable results, Einstein was quoted saying : "Since then I have come to believe that the motion of the Earth cannot be detected by any optical experiment" http://photontheory.com... Formation of the earth "my opponent would have to at the least disprove all the scientific theories on how the Earth was formed." This is an asanine statement. The theories are based on the assumption that the earth is a ball, or assuming the resolution. The argument should be dismissed as fallacious. There's a better creation story, and modern science is hiding it in front of your face. Conclusion What hasn't been refuted already is mention of the Koran, and the shape of the earth. " Therefore, my opponent would have to prove his/her faith based argument is superior to that of the Koran. " This is not a religious debate, nor do I choose to make it so. Although I must speculate, because I have not seen the earth as a whole, nor have I been to the farthest reaches of it, I feel that the earth overall is an infinite plane. The ice extends well past Antarctica, as hinted by admiral Byrd's accounts for his journey "past the south pole". The egg shape my opponent and the Koran could be metaphorical for round, which I support, a flat, round earth. Like a pizza, or a coin. This is the portion of the earth we have access to, what is beyond Antarcticacan only be speculated. Furthermore a dome or firmament covering the earth could cause it to have an "egg shape" from a distance, but this is another debate altogether. "Just because anyone can perform the experiment doesn't mean the experiment impacts the resolution. Thus, this experiment is assumed to be a red herring until proven otherwise." The experiment is valid, and very relevant. Reflections of light off of water and other reflective materials can be valid in any other experiment, is scaleable, reproduceable, falsifiable, and my opponent's apparent misunderstanding is likely an attempted dodge, since he not shown how or what invalidates the experiment. "clarifying how this proves the Earth is flat. " Reflections of light off of a ball, and a flat surface produce very different results. We see the reflection like that of a flat surface instead of that of a ball. Hopefully the voters will understand this very simple demonstration, and recognize a dodge when they see one. My opponent has admitted in the comments section that he has no idea how much the earth should curve out- and downward in any direction over a given distance in order to be a ball that is 25,000 miles in circumference. He doesn't seem to think that it would be impossible to see the Chicago skyline from Michigan. The distance as the crow flies from Chicago to Michigan is 57 miles. The formula for calculating the supposed curvature for theball earth is easy, and has been verified in CAD programs. 8in.(distance in miles^2) http://static.wixstatic.com... 8in. (57^2) = 25,992in.converted to feet 25,992/12=2,166 feet should be hidden from view. The tallest building in Chicago is a mere 1,450 feet, even that should be hidden from view, but as you can see most of the buildings in Chicago from Michigan, it stands that there is no curve over lake Michigan for 57 miles, where there should be much. Gyroscopes "Gyroscopes provide supporting evidence for a spherical Earth. Otherwise, gyroscopes wouldn't be used in planes" My opponent ignore my experiments and logic and claims that they support the globe. The truth is, he simply does not understand. Gyroscopes stay in a fixed position and angle from when they are spun up. The experiment has been done multiple times, and they never moved an inch. As the earth rotates under the gyroscope, we may not notice the earth spin, but the gyroscope should roll backwards opposite the spin. My opponent's offer of a forum post claiming that they will does not hold water. Had he presented an actual experiment verifying this (I looked for one) the rebuttal would have been more sound. Airplanes are outfitted with a simple mechanical gyroscope, allowing the pilot to see which way is up in a single glance. If pilots were flying over a curved surface that is spinning, revolving around the sun, which is revolving around the galaxy, which is rocketing across the universe, gyroscopes would likely go in all manner of directions and tilts. The fact that they are reliable on transcontinental flights, and remain in one position for hours of time supports my claim that we haven't moved an inch,and the curve of the earth, nor the supposed motions do not exist at all. Thanks for debating.