Jesus is not the Messiah

On a more serious note, my opponent seems to have a misunderstanding of circular reasoning. This is something I would like to clarify because it is frequently brought up against me. The Definition of Circular Reasoning is: When one of the premises of the argument is the conclusion of the argument. Example: “Jesus is the Messiah because Jesus is the Messiah. ” Example: “Circular reasoning works because Circular Reasoning Works. ” Or So now that we have an understanding of circular reasoning, I challenge the voting audience to be the judge and see if my opponent’s accusations are true or false. Rebuttal to Fulfillment of Scripture Born in Bethlehem[4]: My opponent says that the text of Micah 5 is a reference to King David. This is logically impossible. It is referring to the Messiah coming from the lineage of David and ruling Israel. Look at Micah 5:2 “But you, O Bethlehem Ephrathah, who are too little to be among the clans of Judah, from you shall come forth for me one who is to be ruler in Israel, whose coming forth is from of old, from ancient days. ” Ancient of Days is the Biblical name used for Yahweh in the OT. It was used in Daniel 7:22” Until the Ancient of Days came and pronounced judgment in favor of the holy people of the Most High, and the time came when they possessed the kingdom. ” Also it is saying that the Ruler would come from God since it says “Forth for me” Second, How can this be a prophecy about King David as the ruler, when King David existed in 1000 BC, and Micah existed in the early to middle 600s? That logically doesn’t make sense. How does this logically follow that because the Messiah would fear the Lord that he is therefore not God? If God is three persons in one: Father, Son, Holy Spirit, and Jesus being the Son of God. God the Father in the New Testament was referred to as God, then that means that Jesus would fear the Father, in the sense that he would set an example amongst the people of how to live for the Lord since Jesus and the Father are one and they have a unified relationship between one another much like a Husband and wife. Rebuttal to Out of Egypt[3]: The context of this verse speaks of the relationship the Lord had with the nation of Israel. The Lord loved Israel (Exodus 4:22-23) and rescued the people from slavery under Pharaoh, bringing them into the Promised Land. The analogy is that of God as the father and Israel as the child. Matthew uses Hosea’s statement to show that the coming of the Messiah is an extension of the Lord’s love to His people. Matthew does not say that Hosea had Jesus in mind when Hosea 11:1 was originally written. Instead, Matthew says that the experience of Jesus matched what Hosea had written about Israel. Jesus was God’s Son, and He made a trip from Egypt to the land of Israel. Matthew was showing that Jesus completed what began with the exodus, connecting Jesus with the promise of Abraham and the leadership of Moses. The “calling” of God’s “son” (Israel) began in ages past and found its completion in the coming of Christ to fulfill the Law and the Prophets. Rebuttal to the Lineage Argument: My opponent still claims that I haven’t given any reasons to think that Jesus came from the lineage of King David. However, in my previous rebuttal, I provided three possibilities as justification for Jesus as the Messiah. I will list them again. 1. Jesus was legally related to Joseph and thus came from the line of David through Joseph (Matthew 1). 2. Jesus was a descendant of David through Mary (Luke 3). 3. Jesus was a descendent of David through His REAL Father, God. All three of these are justification or warrant for how Jesus being the Messiah. So I don’t see the problem here. Rebuttal to the Third Temple and Daniel 9: I was saying that some of the prophecies concerning the Messiah are future/end-time prophecies. Just because they didn’t happen in Jesus’s time, doesn’t automatically disqualify Jesus as the Messiah. For example: Jesus will establish his political reign after the rapture and second coming Be a (Isaiah 2:3, 11:2-3,6; Daniel 7:14) Daniel 9 could be an end-time prophecy yet to be fulfilled. That doesn’t mean that Jesus is not the Messiah, when he fulfilled all the other prophecies in his lifetime. Sources: [1] . http://www.fallacyfiles.org... [2] . http://www.numeraire.com... [3] . http://www.gotquestions.org... [4] . http://www.biblegateway.com...