Homosexuality.

Unfortunately most of my opponents are misconstrued, twisted into another form, delusional, or outright lies. Let me elaborate by disecting each of them one by one. "We both cannot agree that having same sex parents creates issues for their children, in general. In fact, I find the opposite to be true. And a multitude of sources, including a brief from 4 accredited psychological associations, agree with me. " This is just an outright lie. You know that children of same sex parents are bullied because of it, so you know at the very least that it does create this issue for some children. The fact that children of same sex parents are campaigning against it is conclusive proof that at least some children would be affected. The pschological associations conclusions are only that "in general the children come out of it fine". It makes no mention of the issues they face along the way and the fact they can overcome those issues. "This idealism is sweet and innocent, but completely misinformed. In many cases, some homosexuals concede to your point, and agree they are not normal. But, discrimination and bigotry are still prevalent. Why, because until we give up the entirety of a homosexual lifestyle, anti-homosexual people will never accept our actions. Normalizing has nothing to do with it. The pure idea is that people do not like homosexuality, so they will never accept it, even if homosexuals admit we are not normal. " You have absolutely nothing to back you up that it is completely misinformed. It is known that communication helps people deal with problems. It is known that there is a lack of communication between homosexuals and their oppressors (eg family). It is indisputable that finding a common ground will help to open those communication channels and help a lot of people. But I do concede that homophobia can never be fully erased. " It is not undeniable, because you"ve yet to show significant evidence of a society where homosexuality was normalized collapsing." My opponent here has invented an assertion that I have never made. What has a 'society collapsing' got to do with anything? You have failed to come up with any logical argument why normalising homosexuality isn't affecting other people. I have provided real life examples of how it is, and the evil affects it has on those people. " I"d like a source for this assertion, as well as case studies for at lease 10% of the suicide rates, proving it was homosexuality that lead to such actions. Until you can provide both, this argument has no credibility whatsoever. " I pity you that you don't want things to be true even though you know they are. The source for this is the US government: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov... who's conclusion is "Suicide risk appears greatly elevated for men in same-sex partnerships in Denmark. To what extent this is true for similar gay and bisexual men who are not in such relationships is unknown, but these findings call for targeted suicide prevention programs aimed at reducing suicide risk among gay and bisexual men." It appears I made a mistake with the 93% figure, but the real data can still be used to make the same point: fra.europa.eu/sites/default/files/fra_uploads/370-FRA-hdgso-part2-NR_DK.pdf "The 2008 Eurobarometer asked, 'How would you personally feel about having a homosexual (gay man or lesbian woman) as a neighbour?' (1 meaning 'very uncomfortable' and 10 meaning 'very comfortable'). The figure in Denmark was 9.3. compared with an EU average of 7.9" ", I will assert that we do not show evidence of clear intolerance towards homophobes, otherwise there would be far more violence against them. Here"s where your particular logic gets to me. Calling us bigots can be justified, in some regard. Calling us bigger bigots than you is beyond baffling to me. Until we"ve killed, raped, beaten, and psychologically damaged a small percentage of your people, only on the basis that you hate gays, you cannot say that we exemplify the biggest bigots in the market. " You argument is fundamentally flawed. You gave a definition of bigotry, and absolutely nowhere does violence come up in the definition. Yet You are saying that violence is a necessity to show intolerance? I'm sorry but your argument has absolutely zero credibility. I do however concede that a very small percentage of homophobics have evil, extreme methods of dealing with their bigotry, which is what I think you were trying to say. "Our demands for rights are NOT discriminatory because they DO NOT TAKE AWAY THE RIGHTS OF OTHERS! If we demanded that only gay marriage be legalized, or that only gay adoption be legalized, or that only homosexuality be legalized, you"d have plenty to go on. But all we are asking is that our rights be legalized WITH your rights. This, in itself, is not discrimination. " But it is discrimination. You are discriminating against religion that dictates that society must not accept homosexuality. You are discriminating against the truth that homosexuality is different to heterosexuality. If something is different, then there is no such thing as a 'right to be the same'. Gay marriage can never be the same as hetero marriage. It cannot ever grow and nurture a family the same way that heterosexual marriage does. It makes no sense at all that it is a 'right' for homosexual unions to be treated the same as heterosexual unions. They are different, nothing can ever change that, and so they should be treated as different. There are all sorts of 'legal rights' which marriage has which homosexual unions should also be entitled to. But 'marriage' is not a right. It is the fundamental institution that provides the best framework for society to grow. It is no longer this if it also includes gay unions. That is why it is nonsensical to consider gay marriage a 'right'. "I"ll say only one thing: to call any group of person on this earth inferior is prejudice at it"s finest and all but solidifies my point that homosexuality experiences far more backlash than homophobia. " The truth is not a prejudice. The truth is that heterosexuals can produce life and homosexuals can't . Herman, you have to accept the truth for your own well-being. You can't hide behind what you want to be the truth. I did not say you are an inferior person to me, but that is the way you are taking it. Your sexuality is inferior, and nothing can ever change that. A "right" is something that exists DESPITE your sexual orientation. You already have the right to marriage, DESPITE your orientation. Demanding gay marriage is asking for something BECAUSE of your orientation. That is a behavioural choice, and not a right. "The statistics my opponent brought up are far less academic than they seem and are speculative in their nature. In other words, they do not prove that bad things WOULD happen, they only suggest that bad things COULD happen. This is why you should not vote Con. " The statistics are beyond doubt, if you have any doubt just google them and you will find them backed up by any number of reliable sources. I don't think you have any doubt, you just fervently wish that they weren't true. Not only did I prove that bad things could happen, I have pointed out to you how you can read real life stories for hours and hours about the consequences of normalisation. I repeat, just google "I am not gay and had gay sex". This is not something that could happen, this is something that is happening. This is something very evil happening to a lot of people. It is very evil that homosexuals have to face these kind of problems too, but transferring these problems into the wider part of society and ruining innocent children's lives is unforgiveable. In conclusion: I have conclusively proven through known biological facts that homosexuality is not normal. I have conclusively proven that homosexuality is inferior (heterosexuality can create life, homosexuality can't). To treat sexualities the same is therefore nonsensical. People should be treated the same, but not sexualities. I have shown through widely publicised statistics that homosexuals have significant issues they face through life that culminates in an average lifespan of 15 years less than the population. I have given real life examples of how normalising homosexuality is creating situations where people that aren't gay are having gay sex and having enormous issues dealing with it. My opponent has failed to refute any of these main points that were the crux of the debate. My final statement is this: "Homosexuality is not normal, and therefore should not be treated as such, as that is just a lie. It is shown that even when it is widely accepted in society (Denmark) that the psychological problems inherent in homosexuals persist. It has been shown that normalising homosexuality is transferring these problems into the wider part of society and into innocent children's lives. This is an unforgiveable evil that needs to stop. It is also evil the persecutions that homosexuals face, and unforgiveable how this contributes to their issues. Homophobia will always persist because it is just as naturally occurring as homosexuality. I feel the only way to reduce homophobia is for the world to face the truth. Homosexuality is not normal, but it is the way people are and nothing can change that, and we can all live with it. I sincerely feel that by admitting this truth, more gays will find the inner peace that they otherwise can't, and that the effects of homophobia will be signficantly reduced because the homophobes have received the satisfaction that what they know to be the truth has been validated." Thanks to my opponent and the audience. I wish us all peace and well being.