Nate River vs. Light Yagami (kira)

------>RE:IF you looked, it states that " Pieces of the data from L's computer was passed onto us. It seems that L thought that you, Light Yagami, was and still is KIRA. I agree. If those in the department dont agree with me I ask you to think this through and look at the past evidence and how Light reacted to each one." That is indeed the case, but viewing all the files simply did not occur. Otherwise, the scene with Near Deducing that it was Light Yagami and his father whom L had tested when Light had lost his memory would have been utterly superfluous. There were too many things which Near wasn't initially aware of that had occurred under L's investigation. Nevertheless, as I've implied, my opponent's inconsistency holds no real bearing on this debate. ----->RE: "Near and Mello were rivals so it is true that Near and Mello had no control over each other, however Mello broke into Nears "Headquarters" with a girl wearing a towel as hostage. We only see brief pieces of this conversation, but afterwards it seems that they know almost exactly what the other is doing, and while Mello has the DeathNote he kills of Fake members of Nate Rivers team. This further supports the conspiracy that they worked together or at least partially. Yet, as my opponent has stated "Mello kidnapped Takada: As Near himself had admitted, he had no control over Mello and could not anticipate anything that Mello would do." There was times when Near would not know such actions had occured, or is it that he played naive to enrage and misguide people for his own benefit?" 1) In regards to the idea that Mello was killing off fake SPK members, this couldn't be further from the truth: http://www.onemanga.com... http://www.onemanga.com... As Near suggest, Mello killed off the SPK members because he deemed them as a threat in not only contributing to helping Near catch Kira before he did, but possibly capturing him as well (thus getting a hold of the notebook). 2) In regards to us not being able to see the entire conversation Mello and Near has when Mello breaks into his HQ . . . this is false as we see the entire conversation as evident by the manga: http://www.onemanga.com... No place in the conversation due they even imply that they shall be teaming up. In fact, at the very end of the conversation, they insist quite the opposite. Thus, this theory of secrecy which my opponent is attempting to pass off is baseless conjecture at best. 3) Of course, to go even a step further, the comments being made about Mello in this chapter as well as on this page precisely are the ultimate proof that he and Near were not secretly working together as my opponent would like you to believe: http://www.onemanga.com... By the way Near tells it, Mello not only believed that he'd get ahead of Near by HIS (a word which refers to a single individual) actions but also believed that his efforts added onto Near's could beat Kira. In other words, it was all Mello's doing. Near had NO control. So to answer my opponent's question which he leaves at the end of the above paragraph which I am quoting, there is absolutely no reason to believe that Near was merely being naive to enrage and misguide people for his own benefit. He was completely confident in his previous plan and did not even slightly suspect that something was amiss. ---->RE:"As for Mikami... He was a puppet, a pawn if you will. If you give a pawn enough power, then they will try to use it to the best of their ability." Perhaps, but Mikami wasn't just any pawn. As evident from my manga citing in the previous round, he was the closest thing to a pawn one could hope to imagine. He obeyed Light's orders even if he did see fault or possible error in them. ----->RE"However, where my opponent states he acted out of the ordinary, I have to say that he was acting in order to protect his master. During this time, he got a call and was asked to get pages from the deathnote. Normally, he goes once a month, but this time he went twice, which seemed weird to people, considering how his life always followed the same path, day after day. Yet, as I have stated, it was in, what he thought, to protect and help his god." So why not help his god by acting against the orders he was given in the panel I cited in R1? Clearly, "he wanted to help his god" isn't really a sufficient answer to this conundrum. The only reasonable answer to this question is that it was bad writing. Now if we had actually seen Mikami questioning and going against Light's orders previously, my opponent would have a case, but without any such thing, it's just a complete 180 in terms of character portrayal and merely shows that the author couldn't think of a way to actually have Light defeated that wouldn't involve poor writing. To add, Near (nor even Mello) contributed to Mikami slipping up, so it's a fluke regardless of how we look at it. ---------->RE:"As to you statement that Near was nothing compared to L, I have this to say. Team LMN. L was quoted around age 25 at time of death. M was timed at age 18 at time of death. N was still only 17 when Light Yagami died. " Irrelevant. Near and Mello were in fact inferior to L. Why is it that it's stated that neither of them could have surpassed L alone? To add, why is it that it's stated that L would have considered the possibility that the initial exposed notebook was a fake? Simple: Because neither Mello or Near were on L's level. It didn't merely SEEM like this. This was in FACT the case. ------------->RE:"However the fact that Light did not control the deathnote himself, but instead left it in the hands of "lesser beings" as he called them, put him at risk. Near took advantage of this, stole the deathnote, and had someone replace it and copy down the names every day so it would look like Mikami's handwrighting and the people would still die. This is the childlike masterpiece that led to Lights demise." All of which he wouldn't have been able to do successfully if not for 1) Mello (someone whom he had absolutely no control over) kidnapping Takada 2) Mikami (again, someone who he had no control/effect on) behaving out of character and questioning Light's orders for ABSOLUTELY NO REASON in spite of being portrayed as one who wouldn't do so in the past. Without the above hidden variables which Near had no control over, he would have lost plainly. Hence, his victory is nothing of me winning the lottery or getting struck by lightning. RE:"With that said, I will place one card face down in defense mode and end my turn. It's just begginning. :)" Seeing as how I've auto summoned my great beast "Manga proof" to the field with the aid of my previous facedown cards, things look pretty grim for my opponent. In the next round, his life points will be toast. I'll place one more card face down and end my turn.