The death penalty Deters crime and saves lives

Sorry for making it end early. But I decided to thank you ahead of time. Since she didn't visaby refute I will just add on to my aruments first: firstly lets start with deterence: A 2003 study he co-authored, and a 2006 study that re-examined the data, found that each execution results in five fewer homicides, and commuting a death sentence means five more homicides. "The results are robust, they don't really go away," he said. "I oppose the death penalty. But my results show that the death penalty (deters) — what am I going to do, hide them?" [1] Additionally, one of the studies found the the time between convictions and executions also affected the homicide rate. For every 2.75 years cut from time spent on death row, one murder would be prevented. [1] SO the DP in and of itself results in fewer murders, but shortning the wait time helps. Still, there is a logical piece to the death penalty acting as a deterrent to crime. Statistics seem to indicate that when the cost is too high, people will change their behavior. [1] As I said before, basic deterence theory. Now you will point out to people who are crazed: only 3% of the criminal population is crazy, 97% is not. [2] SO the DP will deter those 97% of criminals. Also lets get some quotes: Isaac Ehrlich, PhD, Professor of Economics at the State University of New York and prominent analyst of the "deterrence theory," in a June 1977 American Economic Review study titled "The Deterrent Effect of Capital Punishment: A Question of Life and Death," concluded:"...the results of [this] empirical investigation are not inconsistent with the hypothesis that, on balance, capital punishment reduces the murder rate... In view of the new evidence presented here, one cannot reject the hypothesis that law enforcement activities in general and executions in particular do exert a deterrent effect on acts of murder. Strong inferences to the contrary drawn from earlier investigations appear to have been premature. In contrast, since the results of this investigation support the notion that execution exerts a pure deterrent effect on offenders, they can be used to suggest that other punishments, even those which do not have any preventive effect, can in principle serve as substitutes." the DP deters crime. Saves lives: lol first round I proved it saves 3-18 lives, and you still say it doesn't save lives. So each execution saveabout 3-15 lives. "The sentence is carried out and what we have is one dead murderer and one or more dead victim(s). That is still a lot of dead people." It is but the DP saves 3-18 lives, you didn't even refute that. So that's a lot of saved lives. "you give him the death penalty and we have more dead people." so lets use the 10 number. so 10-2=8. So in the end 8 lives are saved, only 2 lost. SO yes it is tragic that 2 had to go, but it is great that 8 are saved. "We know that a better police force stops more crimes and catches more killers usually quicker." that is impossible. The average response time is 30 minutes in Albuquerque. England tried that idea when they banned guns, and crime rose. The British army tried it in Israel while they banned guns for Jews and tried to protect them and it didn't work. also look at this: Professor Don B. Kates, Jr., eminent civil rights lawyer and criminologist, states: Even if all 500,000 American police officers were assigned to patrol, they could not protect 240 million citizens from upwards of 10 million criminals who enjoy the luxury of deciding when and where to strike. But we have nothing like 500,000 patrol officers; to determine how many police are actually available for any one shift, we must divide the 500,000 by four (three shifts per day, plus officers who have days off, are on sick leave, etc.). The resulting number must be cut in half to account for officers assigned to investigations, juvenile, records, laboratory, traffic, etc., rather than patrol. [3] wow. The three women sued the District of Columbia for failing to protect them, but D.C.'s highest court exonerated the District and its police, saying that it is a "fundamental principle of American law that a government and its agents are under no general duty to provide public services, such as police protection, to any individual citizen." [3] so the courts in America say that their is no obligation to protect citizens as police officers. your argument is absurd. "Gang crime is a good example Many young men and women are forced to gangs as a way of surviving because they are living in such poor conditions." False all you have to do is not join a gang. Also look at this: The term gang often provokes images of violence, drug use and dealing, and crime. However, youth gangs also have other consequences. Gangs can provide youths with a sense of belonging and identity, social support, and solidarity. Gang youths often compare their gangs to family, and in some respects gangs resemble families. [4] "is is more of a deterrence to crime because humans love. It is this emotion that keeps us string and it is these bonds that will help make a better society if the state steps up and provides the path needed for more to escape from lives of poverty and crime." If love is a deterrence then either there is little love or it doesn't work. Also more punishment makes more deterrence. I was deterred from doing stupid things when I was little through spankings. When the only punishment was a time out or a grounding it was less of a deterrence. That falls into deterrence theory. So does the DP, people weigh the pros and cons, when death is a con they will be less inclined to do it, hence the effectiveness of the DP. Conclusion: The DP saves lives through the deterrence of crime which I have proved. My graph proved my point as my studies. Also she has failed to refute many of my arguments and didn't respond to my ratio's argument of the innocents killed. Sh has conceded much of my case through that. I urge you to vote pro as my arguments where superior and my refutations more clear. Thanks for the debate again =) Also I'll PM you about round 5. sources: http://www.boundlessline.org... [1] Front Sight firearms training institute [2] http://www.firearmsandliberty.com... [3] http://family.jrank.org... [4]