Resolution : God does exist

“What are we doing here ?“, well that is a great question, let’s see if you answered, or partially answered, that for us. 1. __________________________________________________________________________________ Here we are at argument 1. Here you have taken the assumption that a ‘necessary being’ exists. First you start off by talking about ‘contingent beings’ and define them as “an object that cannot exist without a necessary being causing its existence.” Then you say that a necessary being is god. So that means the definition of a ‘contingent being’ is an object that cannot exist without a god causing its existence. As far as I am concerned there is nothing that is a ‘contingent being’ anywhere, you are trying to prove that ‘contingent beings’ exist, not just tell us that they exist. I will include all of this information in the steps you wrote. My writing will be within {}. “ (1) Everything that exists contingently has a reason for its existence. {By what you said beforehand ‘a ‘contingent being’ is an object that cannot exist without a god causing its existence’ we will rename this [definition 1] and we will call your step 1 definition (“Everything that exists contingently has a reason for its existence.”) [definition 2]. [definition 1] does not = [definition 2].} (2) The universe exists contingently. {Prove that the universe is created by god ([definition 1]) and that it needs a reason to exist [definition 2]. That is what the debate is about, we are discussing whether god created the universe, having ‘god created the universe’ as a key part of your argument is crazy.} Therefore: (3) The universe has a reason for its existence. {well when step 2 is wrong steps: 3, 4 and 5 become void.} (4) If the universe has a reason for its existence then that reason is God. {well when step 2 is wrong steps: 3, 4 and 5 become void. Why does the reason have to be god? It may have been created by aliens who made it because their universe was dying and they had to make a new universe to live in, I can think of many more examples. The cause of the universe may have been to give aliens refuge.} Therefore: (5) God exists. {well when step 2 is wrong steps: 3, 4 and 5 become void.} “ As you may know I like examples. I will rewrite this argument to prove my point. ***THIS IS NOT ANY PROOF BECAUSE THE ARGUMENT IS FILLED WITH FLAWS, IT IS MENT TO SHOW YOU WHY YOUR ARGUMENT IS NOT CORRECT*** the example wil have these brackets around it {[( and )]}. {[(This Argument defines two types of objects in the universe: contingent beings and necessary beings. A contingent being is an object that is not created by a necessary being. Aquinas believed that the existence of contingent beings would ultimately necessitate a being which must exist for all of the contingent beings to exist. This being, called a necessary being, is what we call God. (1) Everything that exists contingently was not created by a necessary being. (2) The universe exists contingently. Therefore: (3) The universe was not created by a necessary being. (4) God is a necessary being Therefore: (5) God does not exist. )]} 2. __________________________________________________________________________________ Again! This argument is similar to the last. like last time I will write in {} and give an example of your argument with {[( and )]} (1) We ought to be morally perfect. {why ought we be morally perfect? We aren’t all morally perfect, no one is morally perfect, there is no rule book of morals where we get marked.} (2) If we ought to be morally perfect, then we can be morally perfect. {just because we ought be something does not mean we can be what we ought. I ought to win the golden lotto before tome exist and before the lotto exists. All desires can’t be reality.} (3) We cannot be morally perfect unless God exists. {always happens {[(I exist, you exist, therefore god exists)]} how do you deduce that god exists from these things? Why must god exist for us to have morals? } Therefore: (4) God exists. {[( (1) We ought to exist. (2) If we ought to exist, then we can exist. (3) We cannot exist unless God does not exists. (4) We exist. Therefore: (5) God does not exist. )]} See, it makes no sense. 3. __________________________________________________________________________________ Like all other times I will write in {} and give an example of your argument with {[( and )]} By definition, God is a being than which none greater can be imagined. {that is not the definition. “All the Terms come from the Oxford Dictionary.” Well this one does not. “supreme being” does not = “a being than which none greater can be imagined.” {[(I can imagine a super supreme being, it looks like a cat with green hair, it is not a god as it exists outside of our reality but within another reality where it is classified as a pet)]}, but it meets the ungiven criteria to be greater than a god.} A being that necessarily exists in reality is greater than a being that does not necessarily exist.{who says that an existent being is greater than a non-existent being. I do agree but you should include a reason why. You should also be more specific than to just say greater, greater in what way/s?} Thus, by definition, if God exists as an idea in the mind but does not necessarily exist in reality, then we can imagine something that is greater than God. {great, I have imagined something greater than god. The cat.} But we cannot imagine something that is greater than God. {I must be superhuman as I did what is impossible by a human.} Thus, if God exists in the mind as an idea, then God necessarily exists in reality. {I had an idea of that green cat, then the green cat “necessarily exists in reality”.} God exists in the mind as an idea. {so does my green cat.} Therefore, God necessarily exists in reality{. void as earlier points were void.} {this is just a play on incorrect definitions of the word god.} BTW – I would like if next time you could order your refute in the same order I wrote my arguments, makes it slightly difficult when there are 3 refutes (1 of which is answering a question) and I had 4 arguments. Also – the question “ Why create a Universe at all ?” means why did god want to, or bother, create a universe?