Second Challenge to all free willers and determinsit: Is human language a living creature

Oh, wow. You're not even Christian, you're just nuts. Let me point out, here, judges, that this debate isn't even about things like Jesus or God, which, although unlikely, are at least somewhat plausible. This is a theory SO insane that only a crazy person could believe it. He won't win, I'm sure, because he can't prove something that's impossible, but thumbs up for trying. This whole debate is very entertaining. The best one I've seen in a long time. Also, sir, I like how, in your first paragraph, above, you say, essentially, "Oh, yeah, all those OTHER conspiracy theories are fake... but MINE is completely true." Killer logic. Simply killer. I admit, in the last round, I didn't really go much into why human speech can't be a living creature. In this round, I'll do better on that. I just didn't say too much on why human speech can't be a living creature because my opponent wasn't too focused on that topic either. Look at his round one argument, there's almost NOTHING on why human speech can be a living creature, just half baked phony philosophy and quotes from the bible. Yes, sir, I will stay on topic, just so long as you do. And I will try to be less biased, but you have to be less biased also. There's two sides of the coin here. I'll try to understand your incoherent babbling, but you have to accept cold hard facts. OK? I'll try to humor you here. You say that, on the other end of this debate, you're writing in the word of God. I don't think so. If God does use some sort of different language than us humans, a computer is probably unable to translate it, since it's not a real language. I think you're writing in English over there. It's what's coming out on my side. Do you always use this God language, everywhere you go? How do people understand you, then? I'm almost CERTAIN that you're using standard English. Also, am I to understand that what YOU'RE saying is the word of God? Wow, so it's like The Exorcist, but you're possessed by God instead of Satan. Right now, I'm speaking to the literal embodiment of God. In that case, how are you, God? Just a little bit of advice, God. If you peeked out through the clouds, just once, people would be less skeptical. I'm just saying. OK, so, back to you. You speak to God, right? You understand that you're a prophet, correct? You're the only person since Muhammad to ever talk to God. You don't even have to worship Jesus, you're just as important as Jesus. I mean, why are you wasting your supernatural powers here? Go on a talk show and emit some blue lightning from your fingertips, then unite the world. Until that happens, though, I still don't believe any of your stuff. You're making pretty big claims here. I'm gonna have to have some kind of proof that you are the living embodiment of God before I fall for it. From then on, you provide some more bible quotes. Look, mister, you can provide quotes from the bible all you want. Just provide some other sources, too. The bible is a book, nothing more, and, while it can be used to prove a point, it won't be taken as seriously as, say, an essay from a professor at Harvard. It's just a story. I could say that people are actually big orange coffee mugs. It doesn't mean it's true. Just try something else, OK? While you understand perfectly "that a speech that becomes flesh is catastrophic to your definition of what language is and specifically to the lie of free will on which you depend," I understand perfectly that you've been taking some kind of shrooms or something. I mean, do you HEAR how crazy that sounds? I don't depend on a lie. I depend on science. You depend on a two thousand year old book. neither can be proven as an absolute truth, but we've taken a photograph of an atom and we've classified all the elements. I'd say we have much more proof. http://physicsworld.com... Human speech does "evolve," but it doesn't evolve in the same way that living things evolve. Living things evolve in order to adapt to their surroundings. Language evolves because, over time, certain phrases become outdated, or better systems of communication are developed. You can see the evolution of language right now, with the development of emojis. They're a way to communicate with pictures instead of words. You can see the evolution of language over time. First, look at Beowulf. Then, look at The Canterbury Tales. Then, read Shakespeare. Then, read Ray Bradbury. Four very different languages. One in Old English, one in Middle English, one in early Modern English, and one in completely Modern English. But you can see the patterns between them, and you can see how language evolved. Although, I do like how you believe in evolution. It's a lot more than other Christians are willing to believe in. Speech is not "flesh". It's not an organ within our body. Go to your doctor and ask him to point out "speech' on an anatomical chart. He'll throw you out. We've looked at every inch of the body, there's not a single place we've missed. There are the lungs and the vocal cords, both of which help produce speech, but they're used for other things as well, such as respiration and humming, so neither of them can simply be classified as "speech". http://themusicjunction.com... Chomsky seems much smarter than you, and you shouldn't call him a "Communist raving lunatic". Look who's talking. I'm positive that human speech does not have free will, and it does not control us. Rather, we control it. We create speech through thought, and that thought is caused by the firing of nerve cells in our brain. I am saying whatever I want to, I am not being controlled by my speech. You are not being controlled by your speech. You are spouting crazy conspiracy theories, and you can do that if you want. Your speech won't tell you not to. Think about it. Human speech is entirely dependent on whether we talk or not. If we stopped talking, then it would be dead. An organism should be able to function on its own, without input from anything else. If we stopped talking, forever, i guess the menace would be eliminated, but everything would suck. I am not a nonbeliever in Jesus Christ. I am a nonbeliever in things that don't make sense. I have not dodged the question, I have proved my point extremely well. Animal speech is not likely the same speech sounded out differently. they have far less terms in their vocabulary. A dog probably has a word for bark and run and play and fetch, but he's not going to talk about socioeconomic literature. I mean, if they had the same language, we'd have figured it out a long time ago. We haven't even figured out monkeys yet. Clearly, animal language has nothing to do with human language. The Tower of Babel is not an actual historical event, it's an allegory for the folly of having different languages. What if the author of the bible was just trying to put together a fun little book of fairy tales? You don't get to decide how the bible should be taken. Climate change is real. The population at the moment is scary. Abortion is a good thing. You can't chalk all this up to speech. i mean, you could at least maybe argue why they're wrong, but you have to go a little more in depth on all that. You can't just blame it on a sound we produce with our throats. Cancers and diseases are alive. Bacteria is classified as a living thing, even though it doesn't have a mind as we know it. It's so tiny that all it can do is multiply and evolve, and, sure, it doesn't think like we do. But it's still much more alive than human speech. I am very tired. I hope I can make it through the last two rounds. Your article about facebook is probably a conspiracy theory, and Newsweek is one of those things that I see on the grocery store shelves every so often. Still, it doesn't describe speech as being evil, it describes a robot as being evil, and it blames the people who created the robot, not their speech. They decided to make that kind of thing, so they're at fault. Overall, neither of us can ever be completely "RIGHT," but I'm making much more sense here, and unless you shape up soon, I'm gonna beat you two to three. Conspiracy theories are nothing new. people have been saying this stuff for ages. Until I get some absolute proof, I'm not going to go for it. Go ahead, you nutcase. say some more stuff from the loony bin. I'll wait. I do believe in aliens. And Bigfoot. And the Loch Ness Monster. But I don't believe that speech is alive.