Kleptin Brand "Pick Your Own Debate"!!

#1. PRO would like you to believe that the concept of code carriers would be best explored if the writers were to continue with another series, however, in response, I cannot help but point out that this is a bit too presumptuous on PRO's part as that assumes that there will be future seasons. Also, not only does this technically conflict with one of his later points (which I'll get to in a moment), but PRO is essentially advocating that Code Geass continue onwards without Lelouch, which is simply the worst move possible as Code Geass without Lelouch is like the film "Spider-Man" having no Peter Parker or Death Note without Light Yagami. It just isn't the same as the fans are drawn to the series because of compelling and uncanny protagonist. Now sure, this series could attempt to create a new character, but when looking at series such as Yugio GX (a series which tried to top the original series) it becomes extremely apparent just how difficult it is to create a character on par or above the original character who kept the series going (especially when the original character is popular enough to be placed in top anime character awards) (yes, I'm saying Yugio GX is crap and I have ratings to prove it, if needed). So unless PRO is willing to agree that killing off Lelouch was a bad idea, there's not much he can do here. #2. I agree with the plan of KEEPING the world united through forcing all of the hate onto one person, hence why I suggested that Lelouch place all of the hatred on Schneizal. The man was willing to hold the world hostage with his massive supply of FLEIJA warheads. PRO has yet to provide us with any reason as to why Lelouch could not have simply picked the easier (and perhaps more fitting) target, Schneizal. As far as joining the UFN goes, PRO was it not the Black Knights who nearly screwed up Lelouch's plan to combat the Damacoles (the Black Knights forced him to use his Mount Fuji contingency plan)? If not for the Black Knights, taking down the Damacoles would have been easier. In addition, Lelouch would have had the strategical genius Xing-Ke on his side, thus even more cunning to help him defeat his older brother. Since we were given no reason to believe that joining the UFN wouldn't prevent Lelouch from doing battle with Schneizal (who was a threat to the whole world, the UFN would have helped them), there would have been no consequences to siding with the UFN. #2B: Incorrect. In the 18th episode of R2, Lelouch states the reason as to why he casted the "survive" geass on Suzaku and that was to escape the dire situation he was in. He said nothing about Suzuaku possessing nobility and goodness. If anything, Suzaku has been just as "evil" as Lelouch has in the series (heck, he even agreed that Lelouch's methods were correct after Nunally's fake death), so there's no reason to believe PRO's description of this character. In addition, he also tells Kallen to "survive" before leaving the Black KNights, so if anything, this simply tells us that he is against the notion of someone throwing away their life and taking the easy way out (which actually makes Lelouch look like a hypocrite, hence another reason as to why the ending was bad). I've already shown that Lelouch didn't need to die, so my point on Lelouch giving up his responsibility over his actions as well as his sister still stands. In addition, it is abundantly clear that PRO's earlier point on there being sequals to Code Geass doesn't mesh well with this argument as that would suggest that there would be conflict in the future (as conflict is necessary for every story). Thus, that would mean that Lelouch would have failed to create the peaceful world PRO is claiming he did, which would ultimately make his death appear meaningless (in contrary to PRO's belief). #2C- Ah, but romance is what keeps the fanfics rollin. Even my opponent expresses this concern even for two "useless" characters. #3(1)- That's fine and dandy, however, it was implied that the geass effects on him don't actually make him invincible as suggested during his first battle with the Knight of One. If he were shot in the head via shotgun, he'd surely perish. All the same, we see the Lancelot destroyed entirely. Essentially, this would be the equivalent to the writers not telling us how Mao had survived being shot several hundred times over. We as the audience can only suspend so much disbelief. As for there being no way to incorporate Suzaku's survival, this is simple. Orange was able to make it to the end of the series in spite of having previously worked with Lelouch, so providing Suzaku an ending similar to his would fulfill my opponent's desire to make sure the Zero Requiem is still pulled off (with Lelouch taking charage as Zero instead of Suzaku). Of course, this assumes that the Zero Requiem is even a necessary plan. As I've shown above, there was a far better alternative. #3(2)- PRO states that Lelouch received this power through activating the final stages of the geass, but this is baseless conjecture at best as there is no evidence to support his claim that this is indeed what happens for the final stage of the geass. #3(3)- If the geass caster being dead was what served as the catalyst for making the effects of geass failure possible, then what sense does it make for Lelouch to rely on Schneizal or Suzaku knowing that both of them will easily be able to break it? As for the second possibility, although it's an interesting possibility, we are never given any reason to believe this (which is actually the problem with both of these "possibilities"), so if anything, in using this argument, PRO simply manages to exploit another writing error. #3(4) This doesn't answer the question though. The concern raised was not why Gottwald appeared in season 2 but why he acted COMPLETELY out of character in choosing to let Lelouch die? #3(5) See my points on the possibility of R3 as well as how fan appeal can be used to justify an ending with a pairing. #3(6) First, Schneizal was defeated by a simple strategy which Lelouch has used twice before in the series; it was used once against Kallen and once against Mao. If we are to belief that Lelouch and Schneizal are tactical equals, then its rather silly that the writers would expect us to believe that Lelouch would be able to use a strategy which could only be used on characters with a vastly inferior intellect (no offense to Kallen). Second, we have little to no reason to really admire Schneizal as a villain. This is not only because there is really nothing legitimate that DRIVES him towards his villainy (contrary to well renowned fictional villains such as the Joker, Hannibal Lector, Professer Moriarty and Darth Vader), because he is not smart enough to take precautions against the geass (which at least the Black Knights had managed to do), but because he ultimately is not attached to anything, including his goals, hence, there is never any opportunity for their to be a dramatic dual to the death between the two brothers given that one will simply give up before things escalate so far. #3(7) -The above reference doesn't answer why the writers simply end up "ejecting" Xing Ke from the series. Finally, he says the entire ending would have been ruined if Lelouch managed to attain what he wanted without some major sacrifice, but really, killing himself is what Lelouch has wanted. He wanted his sins to be cleansed. When we look at the picture in that regard, it is clear that there was no real sacrifice from lelouch given that he got what he wanted how he wanted it. I agree with the issue that there should be a sacrifice and that sacrifice should have revolved around Lelouch sacrificing his pressing desire to atone and escape responsibility. Having Lelouch realize that he should take his own advice and live on would have been an excellent epiphany. And, I'm running low on characters, so I'll address that bit about C.C