The usual arguments #4: Free will

__________________ "This means that choosing one option means you will die and choosing the other means you will live and answer another question." __________________ Yes I do not disagree. If a man was to jump off a building, his death is his own actions. Where I do disagree with you is "However, Allah wants you to die right now.....and the rest of the paragraph The Quran says 3:168 Those who remained and said to their brothers: "If they obeyed us they would not have been killed." Say: "Then avert death away from yourselves if you are truthful!" If Allah wanted you to die right now, you would not finish reading this sentence. We have established life as a set of questions. He has set a date of birth and death. If you decided to take a choice of Life in a life and death situation, that answer was already taken into account. Your death was not ready then. Allah does not answer that LAST QUESTION for you. Even that last question is your decision. It is no one else's influence but yourself on how you answer that question. Nothing influences you but yourself. IF you chose a path with the outcome of death, for example you jump in front of a train.... that moment that the angel of death approaches is the moment written for you, THEN you will know the truth and you will be brought in front of Allah. Lets take you car crash scenario. - In order to die there had to be reason, correct. - The accident did not had to happen. If Allah wanted your death, it is not an accident. But lets define Accident An accident, mishap, or, more archaically, misadventure, is an unforeseen and unplanned event or circumstance, often with lack of intention or necessity Notice something? There is ALWAYS fault ....it is just not by choice....hence an accident. This "Accident" could have been avoided if all the required criteria were met to be safe that day. For example the fork in the road wasn't dropped prior, or the car breaks were checked, or the person went for a walk that day instead. BUT DEATH CAN NOT BE AVERTED. That person, if not dead in the accident would have been asked another question that has nothing to do with an accident but still death awaits. With one it is an unfortunate event, the other could be for any other reason (e.g their heart just decided it worked for too long). Now EVEN IN THIS ADDITIONAL DEATH SCENARIO where this person is out of their control and their heart stops, even that wasn't an accident and could have been avoided IF earlier he had done something to improve their health. Even that heart stopping is still our choice. If that heart does stop he can still be saved with the choice of others assisting him to recovery. When death finally does come to this person. That is what is written and that death nothing can avert. __________________ Also, I want to mention that the series of questions, Allah's choice to kill you and everything else you argued are nothing more than doctrines. You assumed Allah exists in a debate where his existence had to be proven(using free will, not a mathematical formula). __________________ Question 1 + 1 = 2 True or false? Mathematics is the universal governing law. It is the same here there and everywhere. It is the ONLY TRUTH you know. If you think otherwise give me one truth without it. Even everything you say must meet mathematical criteria in order for communication or else it doesn't make sense. I PROVED using the language of truth that Allah not only exists, but created the free will that you only "believe" it exists. IF you didn't "believe" you would have the evidence to support your argument. Show me proof of your "free will" concept next time in a clear concise manner and base your assumptions on evidence (not the other way around) . __________________ Free will is only limited by your religious doctrines. As a Muslim, you believe free will is limited and Allah is the one who gives you the questions because this is your doctrine. A Christian would argue that free will is limitless because that is his doctrine. __________________ I never said I was a muslim. Let him decide on that day if I was successful in my endeavour to die a Muslim. MY religion is mathematics. If the Quran had said clouds are cotton candy and raindrops are lollypops, I would not accept the deity in its pages. Due to Quran agreeing to my logic, I accepted it. BUT YOU ARE MISTAKEN. You said christians say they are "limitless" Quran says 2:94 Say: "If the abode of the Hereafter has been set exclusively for you with God, to the exception of all other people, then you should wish for death if you are truthful!" Christians also agree to their limits its just their in denial. If they thought they were limitless or heavenly why would you even sit a test of free will, when you can have heaven (no questions)? Why wouldn't you just kill yourself? Everyone understand limits. Adam in the Quran was tempted in his heavenly/blissful state (on earth) with 3 things (Adam was born 1 + ( + ? ) = infinity, where his evil inclinations were present but only hidden from him.) 1. A kingdom that never ends 2. Immortality 3. Be like the angels Adam - The first human understood he was limited to life and death EVERYONE knows this. Protecting the life you have is the main goal of all living creatures. This is undeniable acceptance of limits Those other doctrines you mentioned contradict themselves, what right does it have to be comparable to a book with no contradictions? In regard to your throwing remarks about others (Other doctrines in comparison to Quran) to justify your errors is to admit fear and defeat. Since the start we have been speaking from a my views to you and vice versa. You and I, base your answers on my responses not what they responded about Islam. If you would like me to explain my confidence, bring any of the other doctrine of your choice and I will again show you nothing compares to Allah and his word. Doesn't matter which subject. Any school of thought, every branch of academia. Conclusion response: __________________ 1) I showed, based on my opponent's argument, that free will and Allah can't both exist, therefore the existence of free will can never prove the existence of Allah __________________ I showed you to have an "option" of right/wrong (free will) is where you need the existence of Allah. You don't choose you birth and precisely the time you need Allah. The option of you existing out of the infinite possibilities of life he could have made with you, THAT option is from Allah. __________________ 2) My opponent explained free will based on his religion's doctrines instead of explaining how free will couldn't exist without god __________________ I explained religious doctrines because the religious dogma explains free will from the perspective of Allah. Who can better explain his word then him? As I showed my opponent, free will is answering a set of questions... nothing more. __________________ 3) My opponent attempted to prove god's existence using arithmetic instead of free will __________________ I proved within my simple arithmetic equation the existence of free will. Before you can debate a topic you "believe" you need the "evidence". You have not show evidence of the existence of free will, I however did. (Also showed how your choices for the questions Allah asked will ultimately choose your destiny) I showed you an equation that proves everything (including your psyche) is all from the creator. __________________ 4) My opponent concluded that the limitations of free will prove Allah, but didn't provide reasonable limitations. __________________ I asked you to fly, once my opponent can do that by flapping his hands I will believe he is free willed. Final Conclusion: We come from the unknown without an option to live, we don't drink water we die, logic. What options do we really have but to try and stay alive before we return to the unknown? Blessed be the All-Wise, All-Knowledgable 76.9 We feed you for the sake of Allah alone, we desire from you no reward or thanks.