There is no Illuminati: Debate.

Thank you for a reasonable and comprehensive rebuttal. I’m not sure what further evidence I could have presented further regarding the implied existence of the Illuminati. Response to Contentions Resources .com’s vs .org’s and .gov’s is not all inclusive of reliable and unreliable. Information is information regardless of which source it comes from. As I believed that I pointed out earlier, this debate holds a specific bias just in identifying yes or no. All sources are biased in that they are means to justify the end. I would obviously not use any resource that claims the Illuminati doesn’t exist, just as I would expect you to not use any resources that claim the Illuminati does exist. Whether the sites are noted .com or .xxx, et al. does not change the information provided. All of my information is circumstantial evidence that proves that the illuminati exists in some form. If I were to name all Christians as Mormons, I would be completely wrong. Mormons are considered a portion of the population with Christianic beliefs and not the other way around. Mormons and Baptists alike would also claim that there are distinct differences in beliefs held by one sect over the other. However, having no other name to call the whole gamut of sects also holding the beliefs held by the Illuminati, I have no other basis for naming Illuminati as the whole gamut of sub beliefs other than the purpose of identification. Satanic vs. Not Satanic The direct worshiping of a god named Boaz, Jachin (or any other name) is not necessary for my Christian belief of Satanism. I consider all other forms of deification to be satanic, including self worship which I find is the most prolific form of Satanic nature. Self worship is not a belief of Christians, and is strongly spoken against in the bible. Daniel (11:36), 2 Thessalonians (2:4), both tell that self worship is an attribute of the Antichrist. It is most condemning in the Matthew 4:1-11 story of Jesus after his 40 days of fasting in the wilderness. The devil offers him all the kingdoms of the world, in exchange for worship. Jesus refuses not only devil worship, but entirely worshiping and serving anything other than the Lord our God. His refutation includes self worship. ‘Secret’ Society I do not know the complete function of the Illuminati or their mindset. They are often referred to as hiding in plain sight. Knowing that they exist is not the same as experiencing their existence. Secret is in quotes as that to what extent they are acknowledged is not the same degree as to what extent they exist, or to the capacity in which they exist. I just watched a movie yesterday called Jack Reacher. In the movie, Jack is approached by a group of thugs who want to beat him up. The make a poor attempt in the matter and the police arrive before the battle is even finished. The quick arrival of the police, stirs the curiosity of Jack and he asks the thug leader, “Who hired you?” At that time, Jack did not know the secret organization that was behind the attack. And he rightly deduced that the thugs were acting on behalf of the organization, and not actually involved in the organization itself. They were pawns acting in favor of the organization and the organization had a much higher purpose than Jack’s demise. The articles which say the Illuminati used to exist. The symbolism, doctrines, and references to who they are, and who they were, is not only unchanged, it is still being used. The article you provided also gives reference to the use of Illuminatic symbols being used in media. Doesn’t anyone own these symbols? Or are they just free use for every Tom, dick, and Nazi organization? And more importantly, why the same symbols over and over again? If they were meant to just draw controversy, why not just use sex? Nearly everyone finds public displays of sexual innuendo to be controversial. Just look at Disney. Miley Cyrus, Britney Spears, Christina Agulara, and Justin Timberlake, all producing illuminati reference materials in their videos. Why would Disney of all companies still be using these references? Cartoons and Alice in Wonderland Cartoons are always drawn on purpose. It is no accident that a symbolic reference or self serving storyline is included in a cartoon. Someone had to specifically create the reference and authorize its use. Any hidden object in a cartoon was purposely created to be hidden, or to be seen only by the subconscious mind. Alice in Wonderland is a literary reference that suggests the structure and organization of Illuminati hidden in plain sight, marketed as a children’s novel and literary nonsense. It’s mode of symbolic communication is both controversial, and in the same fashion as Dr. Seuss, Aesop’s Fables, and the parables of Christ. Its symbolic references are plainly linked to illuminati factions and deities. Going through all of the references in the book is complicated and time consuming. It is up to each individual to read the book in new context to fully understand its meaning. Most people won’t. American Dollar Bill Its creation was at the time of the said time of the aforementioned American Illuminati faction’s existence. Its continued use, without the similar changes that other denominations have undergone, represents its world value as something more than currency. The only justifiable explanation, that I can conceive, is its symbolic nature in reference to a social network. If the illuminati were abolished, this reference to their existence would be abolished also. The references may be to a different society that is not the Illuminati, but the existence of the bill’s symbology is evident and the majority of them are references of Illuminatic nature. I’ve already mentioned my reasons for calling them illuminatic. Fictional or Non Fictional The white rabbit is a subject of belief systems. It’s use, especially in Easter celebrations, are part of the Ishtar deification. The inclusion of the white rabbit in the Titian painting at the bottom of the link I provided on this subject earlier, should be a solid reference as to who is actually being portrayed in the picture(Ishtar or Mary). The rabbit is part of the story of Tumuz and Nimrod. It is not part of the story of Jesus. And it part of the Illuminati beliefs. The duality of man Not a matter of controversy, just a matter of inclusion in beliefs and common representation of this belief. Mcdonald’s, Nazi’s, and Catholicism, along with Copyright infringement They all have common ties that reference a greater cause. If there were copyright infringement of these entities, someone would obviously say something. However, if the uses were authorized no need for litigations to take place. Does the symbol need to be of a certain origin to be included in the representation of duality? Are these coincidences so prolific that a higher entity is involved? I say they are. Although, I just used a small sample to prove my point there is are a great deal of companies using Illuminati symbols. But to justify the ends, I think a further look at the Medici and Rothschild involvement in each of these instances is necessary. The Federal Reserve was created under the Rothschild's whom, according to my previous article concerning them, were also in charge of the same finances as Vatican Catholic Church who also funded The National Socialist German Party. Due to the recent economic downturn, many U.S. companies have gone to the Federal Reserve to secure financing. Some conservatives believe that this downturn was purposely created by the Illuminati to allow the world bank to seize control over the U.S. economy. This financial control would turn America into a moderately communist country where the agents of business were government controlled. The skeptics of an Illuminati driven government takeover, can look at the cause of the takeover and claim it is completely happenstance or attribute it to other causes, but the result is still business turning over control of their interests to the government. Mcdonald’s is just one small company involved in World Globalization. Their alliance with the World Bank is just one that is widely known. The entire world was involved in the Economic Crisis. One company or specific nation controlling it all would almost be impossible, right? Well it wouldn’t be impossible if all the countries that suffered from the crises were all beholden to the same financial institution. And all of the countries are beholden to the World Bank. Has the World Bank collapsed? No, it has actually become stronger. Here’s a short history of the Medici bloodline, you can research it. The information checks out. http://www.davidicke.com... This is rather long, but the information is solid. http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net... I can’t find a blood link to the two families but their history together goes very far back. The link that I can find between the two Families does go back to the French Freemasons. http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net... This is ultimately where the controversy of Pat Robertson begins.