Muhammad raped Aisha

In my introduction I clearly stated that rape can be defined in so many ways. Giving us the definition from your own source does not make yours sancrosant or authoritative. The most important aspect of rape is CONSENT, unfortunately the Con failed to produced any evidence if Muhammad pedophilic relationship with Aisha took place with her consent. Furthermore, the Con does not know that there is marital rape according to constitution. A husband can be prosecuted for raping his wife! Arab year is lunar, which is shorter than solar year. In solar years, Aisha was 8 years 9 months old when Muhammad consummated his marriage with her. Consummate? This is a nice way to say raped her. According to Muslims, a woman must consent to her marriage or the marriage is null. How can a 6-years old child consent to her marriage? Without a consent, how can we call this relationship between a 51 years old man and a 6-years old child marriage? I repeat, the Con must produced an evidence showing Aisha was ever consented before Muhammad married her! The Con also claim that it was Abu Bakr who approached Muhammad asking him to marry his daughter. This is not true. The Prophet asked Abu Bakr for 'Aisha's hand in marriage. Abu Bakr said "But I am your brother." The Prophet said, "You are my brother in Allah's religion and His Book, but she (Aisha) is lawful for me to marry." Bukhari 7.62.18 Even though Abu Bakr was fool enough to let Muhammad have sex with his little daughter, that marriage was invaled, because the only person who should have given consent was a minor. Aisha was unaware of what was going on and was surprised when Muhammad pulled down his pants and invited her to sit on his lap. She Narrated: When the Prophet married me, my mother came to me and made me enter the house (of the Prophet) and nothing surprised me but the coming of Allah's Apostle to me in the forenoon. Bukhari 7. 62. 90 Aisha was playing with dolls like any other 8 year old child would do. She was not ready for marriage and had no understanding of it. Narrated 'Aisha: I used to play with the dolls in the presence of the Prophet, and my girl friends also used to play with me. When Allah's Apostle used to enter (my dwelling place) they used to hide themselves, but the Prophet would call them to join and play with me. (The playing with the dolls and similar images is forbidden, but it was allowed for 'Aisha at that time, as she was a little girl, not yet reached the age of puberty.) (Fateh-al-Bari page 143, Vol.13) Bukhari 8. 73.151 Narrated Aisha: The Prophet engaged me when I was a girl of six (years). We went to Medina and stayed at the home of Bani-al-Harith bin Khazraj. Then I got ill and my hair fell down. Later on my hair grew (again) and my mother, Um Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends. She called me, and I went to her, not knowing what she wanted to do to me. She caught me by the hand and made me stand at the door of the house. I was breathless then, and when my breathing became Allright, she took some water and rubbed my face and head with it. Then she took me into the house. There in the house I saw some Ansari women who said, "Best wishes and Allah's Blessing and a good luck." Then she entrusted me to them and they prepared me (for the marriage). Unexpectedly Allah's Apostle came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine years of age. Bukhari 5.234 Having sexual feelings for small children is called pedophilia. If Muhammad were to be alive, he would be arrested, prosecuted and jailed for three count charges viz Pedophilia, Child molestation and Rape. The Con also made a preposterous remark that on what basis should we judge between good and bad. Should we condone pedophilia and child marriage because it was practiced by Muhammad? It is a crime if it was being done by someonelse but halal if was done by Muhammad? This is called Moral relativism. Also, Con said Aisha was lawful for Muhammad to marry. How true is that? Arabs were a primitive lot with little rules to abide. Yet they had some code of ethics that they honored scrupulously. For example, although they fought all the year round, they abstained from hostilities during certain holy months of the year. They also considered Mecca to be a holy city and did not make war against it. A adopted son"s wife was deemed to be a daughter in law and they would not marry her. Also it was customary that close friends made a pact of brotherhood and considered each other as true brothers. The Prophet disregarded all of these rules anytime they stood between him and his interests or whims. Abu Bakr and Muhammad had pledged to each other to be brothers. So according to their costoms Ayesha was supposed to be like a niece to the prophet. Yet that did not stop him to ask her hand even when she was only six years old. But this moral relativist Prophet would use the same excuse to reject a woman he did not like. Sahih Bukhari V.7, B62, N. 37 Narrated Ibn 'Abbas: It was said to the Prophet, "Won't you marry the daughter of Hamza?" He said, "She is my foster niece (brother's daughter). " Hamza and Abu Bakr both were the foster brothers of Muhammad. But Ayesha must have been too pretty for the Prophet to abide by the codes of ethics and custom. The Con should tell us how Aisha is lawful for Muhammad to Marry. If Aisha is lawful for him to marry why did he used the same excuse in rejecting daughter of Hamza when Aisha is supposed to be like a niece to Muhammad? Oh I forgot the prophet of Allah is beyond rules and regulations (pun intended) In fact, it is muhammad who was even fantacizing about Aisha in his dreams. In the following Hadith he confided to Ahesha that he had dreamed of her before soliciting her from her father. Sahih Bukhari 9.140 Narrated 'Aisha: Allah's Apostle said to me, "You were shown to me twice (in my dream) before I married you. I saw an angel carrying you in a silken piece of cloth, and I said to him, 'Uncover (her),' and behold, it was you. I said (to myself), 'If this is from Allah, then it must happen. Whether Muhammad had actually such dream or he just said it to please Ayesha is not the point. What matters here is that it indicates that Ayesaha was a baby being "carried" by an angel when the Prophet dreamed of her. I would like the Con to give us the definition of sex and marriage. Muhammad sexual activities with Ayesha is not sex but rape since there was no consent on her part. Sex is between two consenting individual but unfortunately, there was no consent on Aisha's part. A 9 year old child doesn't understand the meaning of sex. The Wordweb dictionary defines sex as the act of sexual procreation between a man and a WOMAN; the man's penis is inserted into the woman's vagina and excited until orgasm and ejaculation occur. It is clear sex is not between a man and a minor of 9! What should we call Muhammad sexual relation with Aisha? Legal sex or rape? If it is legal sex produce an evidence to her consent on the marriage or to the sexual intercourse. If not Muhammad is guilty as charged! Not consenting Aisha before marrying her has even rendered the marriage null and void yet my erudite opponent has the temerity to call that marriage! If Muhammad didn't damaged Aisha's womb then why didn't Aisha conceived despite spending at least 5-6 years with Muhammad before his death? Unless you tell us Muhammad was impotent! You asked " #.WHERE WAS AISHA RAPED? #.HOW DID SHE GET TO WHERE SHE WAS RAPED? #.WHERE WAS HER FATHER WHEN SHE WAS RAPED? # WHEN SHE GOT TO BE A WOMAN, WE EXPECT SHE MAKES A MOVE ON THE CRIME, WHAT WAS HER MOVE? #.WHEN A 9YR OLD GIRL WAS RAPED,WHAT ACTION WAS TAKEN BY HER FATHER?" I will give you answer to all these bunkum questions of yours. Honestly your logic appalls me. 1. She was raped in Muhammad's house 2.Muhammad married her. So she got to Muhammad's house because of the marriage. 3.Her father was not there since she was living with Muhammad after marrying her. Did you expect her father to be present while Muhammad was doing it? Ridiculous! 4.Before she could become a woman Muhammad was already dead through poisoning. 5.Her father didn't do anything. Why? He believed Muhammad was a true messenger of God acting according to Allah's order. That was why I called him fool previously! Do you see how stupid and ridiculous your questions sound? I am surprised someone in the 21st century is thinking like 7th century barbarian. Quote: " To further buttress my point,the pro wants us to believe that since the father does not give his consent,we should jump to the conclusion that she was raped,dating back from previous centuries,we have heard and read of different stories whereby lovers marry against the consent of their parents.an example is cited below: http://www.maniacworld.com...; I'm afraid Con is incriminating Muhammad more with this statement. Lovers do married without their parents consent. But we are not talking about the parent consent here, we arw talking about Aisha's consent. You just shot yourself in the foot! You are yet to produced Aisha consent to the marriage or the sexual intercourse. We shouldn't forget that in Islam marriage without the bride consent is invalid. Yes invalid! Quote: We have so many relationship today not even marriage and sexual intercourse occurs without the consent of either one of the parents of the male or female,THEN SHOULD WE CALL THOSE RELATIONSHIP RAPE??" You are right Con! Such relationship exist but what you fail to produce is Aisha consent herself. Her parent consent is secondary. The difference between what you said is that those sexual relations are consensual between both parties unlike Muhammad sexual escapade with Aisha which was behind her knowledge. She is too young to understand sex! She was never consented about the marriage and the sex. Muhammad raped her! Quote: To round up my first round of rebutall,that the father of the lady does not give his consent does not necessarily means rape.when a case of rape occurs,the consent of the lady in question is needed not the father as the father is not the person in question." Thank you Con! I can't say it better than this. You are right. The consent of the person in question is needed not her father. Now show us how Aisha was consented by Muhammad before defiling her. The onus of proof is now on you con. I thought you are defending Muhammad, but to me now, it seems you are actually against him by incriminating him more! Finally, the Con gave us some quote and statistics of marriages from various religion which I found laughable! You are appealing to a logical fallacy called "Red herring'. You are diverting our attention to another subject of irrelevance. And how does that disprove Muhammad being a rapist? Didn't Muhammad claimed to be a mercy to mankind, the best example to follow? Is this what we should follow and emulate? Raping minors calling it marriage? Muhammad has laid a bad precedent for Muslims to follow since Muslims are commanded to follow and emulate Muhammad to the letter. I do not know if Con would be able to give out his 9 year old child for marriage. It is pathethic the Con will have the temerity to call Aisha pedophilic relationship with Aisha a Marriage. Let's call a spade a spade Muhammad raped Aisha. Did I said Muslims worshipped Muhammad? Yes Muslims ignorantly worshipped Muhammad in place of Allah. In order not to commit red herring, I will not go into that unless the Con permits me. Conclusion: I stood by comments that Muhammad raped Aisha since she was not consented to the marriage which should be invalid according to Islam. To make the matter worse, she gave no consent to any sex with Muhammad before he pulled down her pant. I still remain cordially yours Regards!