A limitless god is impossible.

Because the title of your previous challenge is not specific enough, I had thought it best to challenge the instigator (Donkey) to a formal debate with a more fitting title.<< Good. >>In this debate, I will (yet again) present my mathematical proof that a limitless god is impossible; and will give the instigator a chance to see that it is indeed a proper mathematical proof.<< Better. Just make sure your proof can be proved. :) >>Beyond this, there aren't any more rules to this debate; and so I wish my opponent good luck, for he will need it.<< I don't need luck, I need evidence and logic. Here it is, in proper form: 1) For something to exist beyond the level of notion, it is necessary for it to be objective, i.e. independent on human (or otherwise) perspective; because if it isn't, then it cannot exist independent on the level of notion, and hence be meaningless beyond that level.<< First,how do you know your statement is valid? Second God is more than a notion or we would not have a universe with life in it, unless your have a better explanation as tot he origin of matter and life. Third, God is independent of anything and everything. What makes you think He is not? To be a God He would have to be independent. God does not need man or the universe. He created both out of love. >>2) By definition, it is necessary for an objective term or concept to be fully and hermetically well-defined (though not necessarily a definition known to us); because by definition, an objective concept or entity is one that is dependent on a timeless means of predication, or in other words definition. It must be well-defined, because if it isn't, then there are no predicated qualities given to the concept, and hence no meaning beyond what a subjective perception will give it.<< The Bible defines God in many ways. Who are you to say the Bible is not correct in its defining God? >>3) Well ordered definitions can and must be manifested in the form of a well-ordered expression, identical to those used in mathematics nowadays; which come, in every case, in the form of some well-ordered, formal, objective, mathematical language, such as set-theory, etc. Moreover, such definitions must be non-paradoxical, because when a paradox is present, the concept loses any and all objectivity, and hence meaning.<< A well ordered definition does not have to be identical to those used in mathematics. The definition of words are only dependent on their exact meaning, which most have nothing to do with math. Your statement about not being a paradox is basically true, but not 100%. A paradox is a statement that is seemingly self contradictory. Yet if understood correctly, they can express a truth in a more meaningful way. When you were orn did you start living or dying? Both are ture. >>4) To prevent a common paradox, a slightly different form of Russell's paradox; it is necessary for the concept to be completely limited by the language it is defined within; meaning that it cannot predicate over its own predicator.<< I will take your word for that statement. >>5) God is commonly defined as an unlimited being (if you define him as limited, this proof is irrelevant).<< One description of God is that He is omnipotent. To be a true God He must have that characteristic. >>6) By these necessary standards, i.e. those presented in 1)-4), a limitless God is ill-defined.<< Agreed. >>7) Following from 2) and 6); A limitless God cannot exist objectively.<< Agreed. >>8) Following from 1) and 7); A limitless God cannot exist beyond the level of notion, and hence has no effect beyond psychological.<< While your statement is true, what makes you think the God of the Bible is limitless? If He was we would not have a universe with life. What evidence do you have that God is only a notion and is limitless? You have given me a lot of opinions,. What assurance do I have that you are qualified to make them and how can I know they are valid? I could be the poster child for "I'M from Missouri".