Supervised Injection Sites

Is it boldness or ignorance: You Be the Judge! Ipse dixit ( AKA bold assertion fallacy) F=Fallacy F1. ‘Thanks for the argument Jake!’ F2. ‘Almost all drug addicts start out by sharing needles, usually at a party with a large group of people.’ F3. ‘Society has declared itself against drug use.’ F4. ‘Drug users normally enter a Supervised Injection Site shaky irritated and in no mental position to have a conversation with.’ F5. ‘Remember many of them aren't able to entertain the notion of quitting’ F6. ‘Where in that time frame does any sort of discussion or counselling happen?’ F7. ‘THEY ARE STILL INJECTING HEROINE INTO THEIR BODIES, WHICH IS WORSE THAN ANY HEALTH BENIFIT FROM SUPERVISED INJECTION SITE ‘ F9. ‘Sorry, my cat, just jumped on the Caps Lock Key(Special Pleading Fallacy)’ Men of Straw! Strawman Fallacy F=Fallacy F10 Pro: ‘you said is that many of the people who would attend the sites are already burdened with many infectious diseases.’ F11 ‘Jake adopt this "If you can't beat them join them" policy.’ F12 ‘rape will always be carried out in a society, it doesn't mean we supply them with a condom to make it safer for the victim (Jakey boys first argument) and duct tape to make it safer for the rapist.’ The Fool: Yeah, that’s right, I always argue for that every day!?!?!? ;) F13 ‘Canada's action against drugs is more important than the health concern.’ ‘Maybe you could support Drug use if it dealt with these issues.’ Red Herring fallacy F14 Jake also never told us how this stops drug addicts for exchanging HIV/AIDS by other means than needles. F15 When an unwanted activity (such as child abuse) is going on in a society; we make it harder, not easier for that activity to be carried out. F16. Youth abusers (They never go to a SIS, understandably) Ad hominem F16. ‘Jake straight up lied’ F17 ‘Is a bit silly’ Trailer Park Fool! Pro: This is legalizing drug use in a certain areas, making the police unable to stop It.’ The Fool: Why would the Cop’s want to stop what is LEGAL!!!?? Pro: Now anyone can go into a building and commit a criminal offense with immunity. The Fool: Ergo, it’s not a criminal offence, now is it? Pro: ‘Pregnant Abusers can walk in and use heroine…’ The Fool: no…… they can’t, what are you basing this on, we have more social programs for such things. Pro: Jail is a better place to get clean than Insites (the existing Injection Site) exclusive de-tox clinic that can only service 12 people. + Pro: Jail is a better place to get clean than Incites. You do know that if you stop cold turkey you may DIE! Right! Right!! The Fool: he is actually mentioning the fact that they are also de-tox clinics, which destroys this whole argument. Secondly Pro is only talking about the one Facility, There are many others in Canada many strictly detox places in the city. The actual injection facilities are temporaries until people get ships to more permanent Rehabs and Detox Centers. Pro: The existing status quo allows the law to force addicts into rehab and that's exactly what they need. The Fool: If this made any possible sense then we would not have the problem in the first place now would we. Canada/US fallacies The Fool: Pro inside example in First Round is based on a Canadian (injection Incite) medical facility but his other references are not, making them invalid. The Pro: Canada's action against drugs is more important than the health concern. The Fool: No, it’s not. There is No War On Drugs in Canada. Drug addiction here is considered a mental illness not a Criminal act. In Canada the criminal focus is on Trafficking as appose to using. Criminalizing users is waste tax dollars on incarceration. it doesn’t fix the problem, in fact it makes it worse. it increase crime; as criminal learn from others, general criminal social groups and connections, will affirming criminal acts. Pro: but what about Crime involving drugs. (Drug Gangs, Collapsed veins etc are not mutually exclusive) The Fool: Remember there are No guns!! Guns are extremely hard to get in Canada. Gangs are extremely rare and rudimentary at best. Reducing addictions users reduces trafficking. The Fool: The facilities in Canada are also rehabs and a Detox. Also Rehab is free in Canada as part of the free health care system. While rehab is not free in the US, so jail is never a better option, Pro is not making any sense as Jail as a rehab. The Fool: The issue here is one of education. It’s not a matter of support; it’s not a democratic issue. Sometimes it’s better to leave issues to people who know what they are talking about aka the Ethical and Medical specialist and not PRO. Vote Responsibly!