Perfection (in some aspect of life) of an individual is achievable.

My apologies to my opponent and the reader for missing the second round - I was indisposed. Hold this against me to your discretion, or better yet, don't:) I'll provide two separate arguments - one to answer my opponent's R2 from a point of view that does not include anything he said in R3, and another to rebut his R3 and close the debate. Once again, I rely on the voter to use discretion in either including or discarding one or both of these arguments. -" The beginning definitions are numerous and un-applied. Therefore, I really don't care about them." A curious move on your part: a debate that more-or-less hinges on definition and you "don't care." There is no "common" definition if you and I cannot agree on what it is we are talking about. You could have had your pick and moved from there - but you "don't care." Mmm, apathy... what a killer. 1)This whole point is a little far-fetched. "Correct" is sufficient; does the kid in your examples have low self-esteem or some other emotional problem? There is no justification for saying "the kid was perfect in spelling the word 'dog.'" Of course, the teacher could have said to your example "Spell the following on the chalkboard:'What up, dawg!'" In this case the kid would have been incorrect in his spelling. It is as needless for me to say, "The kid was imperfect in spelling the word 'dawg'" because it literally goes without saying. 2)Again, saying "He is but human" is an altogether more eloquent and less strained way of expressing the same thought. You did not answer my question, but as silence implies consent, I assume that this is the scope of your whole argument here - a trifling play on words. HIGH FIVE! My point from R1 still stands. 3)Fair enough. The man in the desert has now died from dehydration. You might say he "discovered" how well (not how perfectly) the sun provides our planet with light and heat. And then you create a critical error for your argument in this sentence: "Perfection can be discovered by humans, but not determined." So how is perfection determined, pray tell? Who else exists (to our knowledge) to make the *subjective judgement* that anything is or isn't perfect? Qualifying something as "perfect" IS a judgement. Perhaps I am wrong in my judgement of the situation, but that perfection is a judgement is self-evident. 4)Falling back on "god"? Without wasting too much space, let me quash this point. IF god existed, he would not necessarily be "perfect." This religion or that may throw around "perfect" in addition to "omniscient," etc, but what do they know? As every religion, and thus their various ideas of god, were created by imperfect humans, how can we "discover" anything beyond the respective canons? This point actually hurt you, as by your own logic (if you were correct) this perfect god would be imperfect at being imperfect. An asinine phrase, no? My thoughts exactly on your given examples. R3 Response: -"Therefore, I ask the voters to flow through all of my last speeches arguments including the subjective view of the resolution." Yes, please do as my opponent requests. -"My opponent has not proven that we need to be objective when looking at the resolution and there fore we can say that someone spelt the word dog correctly and they WERE perfect in doing so…" Hmm, I have been implicitly arguing for the relevance and primacy of subjective judgement throughout the debate. Again, respect my opponent's wishes. -"Furthermore you can see that God either exists or he doesn't (I won't determine any one belief) and he is perfect in doing EITHER one of those." Existence precedes all: Saying that nothing (something that doesn't exist) is perfect at non-existence is not only silly, but also open to your devastating gap in logic: If this nothing is perfect at being nothing, it is equally imperfect at being something. This can extend over all of your points: the kid was imperfect at spelling "dog" incorrectly, the man is imperfect at being perfect, the sun is imperfect in not providing cold and dark. Perfection within the individual, in some aspect of life, is not possible in any real sense. Vote CON Thanks to johnicle again. Britt