Pink Floyd, The wall vs Dark Side of the Moon.

Response to C1:I agree that it would be inaccurate for me to deny the large amount of creative energy that went into DSOTM. However I think it would be hard to deny that more creative energy was put into The Wall.My first 4 contentions prove that more creativity went into The Wall. Allot more lyrics were written. A whole movie was made! Allot more songs written. And over all longer amount of music time. I would also note the The Wall has allot more guitar solos scattered around the album.My opponent makes the totally false claim that DSOTM is pure cultural commentary, when in fact DSOTM and The Wall both have similar messages. Both albums have a strong theme of craziness. I don't know when the last time my opponent listened to DSOTM but I've listened to it multiple times since this debate, and it is DEFINITELY not pure cultural commentary. The very first words in DSOTM from the song Speak to Me/Breathe are about being crazy. [1]"I've been mad for fvcking years, absolutely years, beenover the edge for yonks, been working me buns off for bands...""I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like themost of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, evenif you're not mad..."The next song "On the Run" has psychotic laughing through out part of the song. Other than that there are no lyrics except some background lyrics at the beginning which are hard to make out.The Great Gig in the Sky is just a bunch of screaming (ugh), except the beginning.Us and Them doesn't really have a theme to it. At the least it's definitely not a song people can relate too.Any Color You Like doesn't have any lyrics.Brain Damage has a huge craziness theme to it. Even by the name it is obvious that the song is about mental instability. The song uses the word lunatic repeatedly;"The lunatic is on the grass."(repeated)"Got to keep the loonies on the path.""The lunatic is in the hall.""The lunatics are in my hall.""The lunatic is in my head."(repeated)Eclipse is another song that does not really have a theme or message.Time and money are the only two songs that even have a relatable cultural theme to it. But even so, my opponent claims that the whole album is pure cultural commentary which is completely wrong.So we see that my opponents statement, "The Wall is much harder to directly relate to due to the fact that it describes the experience of a mentally unstable rock star", is totally false because, with the exception of only two songs, DSOTM has a very similar theme. But The Wall is actually a story DSOTM's songs are often seemingly random. I should also point out that there are songs that people could relate too from The Wall, such as Mother, Another Brick in the Wall, Goodbye blue sky (which is about world war 2), and Bring the Boys Back Home.You know another thing that's great about The Wall. It gives listeners an incite into the band. Roger Waters wrote The Wall based partly off of his own life. Thus fans can relate to this album, because it is a story based off a member of one of their favorite (if not favorite) bands. I would go as far as too say this is even better than for it to relate culturally. For those who don't know Waters was going through a mental breakdown himself when he wrote this album. When Waters was only one his father, Eric Waters died as a soldier in Word War II in 1944. That is exactly the same thing that happens in The Wall. Pinks father dies fighting in world war 2 while he is only a baby. [2]Conclusion:I have completely broken down my opponents first contention and shown it to be false and contrary.Response to C2-3:My opponent makes a fairly good point when she says, " According to Pro, if DSOTM were to add 50 minutes of cows mooing then DSOTM would have the edge". But the fact is both The Wall and DSOTM are extremely popular and creative albums. Almost everyone would include at least one of these albums as one of their top two PF albums. The reason why I'm saying this is because I think this shows that both of these albums are made up of quality. You can't dismiss the amount of time the album makes up simply by saying quality over quantity, because almost every Pink Floyd fan would say both albums are quality albums.The filler songs are short, and none of them are hard listen too. Every song in the album has a place in the album in order for the story to be complete.Conclusion:Both albums are quality albums, thus my opponent's "quality over quantity" argument has been negated. This has been enforced by popular opinion, meaning that my opponents view is contrary to most fans views.Response to C4:My opponent again uses the cow analogy, so the viewers can look at my previous response to see part of my counter. But let me defend my argument further. Roger Waters is one of the greatest lyrical writers in the history of music. Therefore we can conclude that his lyrics in The Wall are not bellow average lyrics. My point still stands that this gives The Wall the edge when comparing creativity.Response to C5:First off, this was my least important contention because of the exact thing con says. However I still think it makes a good point. The fact that The Wall has 3 times as many songs that achieved over 1mill views supports the fact that The Wall contains more of Pink Floyds classics or greats. I know and agree that my argument does not prove that Pink Floyd has 3 times as many of Pink Floyds classics. But I think the fact that there are much more songs from "The Wall" that are so popular, proves that The Wall does have more great songs.//much easier to listen to straight through in contrast to the almost 1.5 hour The Wall.//I'm going to turn this right back over and show why this actually makes The Wall more superior.Here are two scenarios: Someone buys DSOTM, puts it in his CD player listens to the whole thing (10 songs), and says wow that was a great album I'll listen to that again sometime. In contrast someone goes and buys The Wall, listens to the first 10 songs and says wow this album is great, and to think I'm not even half way finished! I'm really looking forward to listening to the rest. Latter he listens to the next ten songs and he still isn't even finished, he has 6 more songs too go. All in all he listens to the whole thing in 3 sittings.I really don't know why it makes it more superior to be able to listen to the whole thing in one sitting instead of listening to the whole thing in three sittings.Con funnily states that Mother and Young Lust are fillers. But Mother is one of The Walls most popular songs and Young Lust is a great song.//I've described this in the introduction, but I feel the highly relatable social commentary in DSOTM wins over The Wall's mental breakdown of a rock star. The Wall feels more like an outsider looking in while DSOTM engages the listener in everyday issues.//This honestly makes me wander when the last time con listened to DSOTM was. This has already been lengthily addressed in response to my opponents first conntention. DSOTM is not at all a highly relatable social commentary. If it weren't for the two songs Time and Money, I would say it's not a relatable social commentary at all.My opponent seems to think all the songs in The Wall are the same type of musical style. It is true that there is one major style but there are lots of songs that are different in tone or mood in The Wall.Another Brick in the Wall is a bit funky and basy. Mother, Hey You and Goodbye Blue sky all have an acoustic guitar playing throughout the song, except for the parts in Mother and Hey You when Gilmour is playing some of his all time best guitar solos. Empty Spaces is a very slow and drawn out song. Young Lust has a classic rock style to it. Comfortably Numb is simply a unique song in this album. And I have never heard a song that is like The Trial. Such an interesting and strange song. Sources: [1] http://www.pinkfloyd.net... [2] http://www.pinkfloyd-guitar.com...