Socialization of the womb (e.g. anti-abortion laws).

" I see you are only 18, and are thus completely clueless " I see you use obvious ad antiquatem and ad hominem fallacies, and thus do not understand the notion of logic. " First of all, your view of life is APPALLING and you should be ashamed of yourself and grow up, or face a life of misery, drug addiction, and death " You haven't demonstrated the misery, death is universal, and I don't use drugs so you are obviously not making much sense. "LIFE IS SACRED ALL LIFE IS SACRED IN PARTICULAR , HUMAN LIFE IT IS PRECIOUS Life Begins at Conception. Abortion is murder. Abortion ends a human life Most abortions are unneccessary, and cause IMMENSE pain and suffering to the woman that volutarily kills her baby. " Define sacred, define life. Also, no definition of "life" begins at conception that I know of. Either it begins at birth, or it begins before conception (sperm and eggs are every bit as alive as fetuses and zygotes, which would mean to be consistent you would have to argue for a moral obligation to be constantly pregnant (in order to keep as many sperm and eggs alive as possible), and you would have to oppose both war and the death penalty, neither of which you do. Therefore, triple contradiction so far? As for the unnecessary bit, that's not from the perspective of those getting them obviously. The pain and suffering? There's less of that in abortion than there is in birth. " Witness the poor woman in England who recently hanged herself in grief after she aborted her twins after her criminal evil boyfiend said "I dont want them" to her, leaving her, and BREAKING HER SPIRIT.' It's a crime to break up with someone and not want children? Can you say "freedom of conscience?" "HE is responsible for her death AND the death of those children in my view." Your view ignores the key facts: that she hung herself, and that she and the abortion doctor collaborated in the death of those fetuses (not "children," that's a different developmental stage.) Her boyfriend played no part in it, he just spoke his mind. But of course solarman doesn't believe in free speech :D. " Whether the LAW punishes him or NOT , KARMA will be imposed by his action. " Imaginary concepts with no evidence like "karma" are not an argument. "YOU seem to think (and anyone who calls an unborn baby a thief a parasite obiously isnt thinking) that becuase you cant SEE the child, that she is IN WOMAN and is thus NOT a life, but "a thief, a parasite"" I never said it wasn't alive (I'm waiting till you define the term.) Thieves and parasites are ipso facto alive. That doesn't mean they should be. As for "obviously isn't thinking," I don't see how a thinking person with a dictionary can fail to apply the term "thief" to someone who takes what they don't own, or the term "parasite" to an organism that takes its sustenance directly from the inside of the body of another. "I place 100% of the responsibility for the rape, enslavement , forced impregnantation, and accidental impregnantation of females on planet earth On MEN - EVIL STUPID MEN." The first three terms are obviously male responsibility, but accidental impregnation? It takes two to tango. " MEN need to shape up, period." Really? There are no good men and no bad women, anywhere on the planet? That'll be hard to demonstrate... " Your attitude about CHILDREN YOU MAY SOMEDAY MAKE is SCARY, young one. EVIL, really Think about this young one Women COULD eliminate MAN from planet earth, right now, if she wanted. Every single human being in history has been born of a woman, a mother. MANs FEAR of woman is this planets MAIN problem. " No, if they wanted to eliminate men, they'd have to wait until all the men alive right now died, or most anyway, and murder the rest. Of course then it would be in short order, EVERYONE, not just men, who were gone. Men could eliminate everyone in the same manner, though either case it would require universal agreement. None of which demonstrates that I am evil. And as far as I know the general case of "woman" is not on the top of the fears list of very many men, so I don't see how it could be even in the top 100 of the planet's man problems, let alone number 1. " YOU, young man, are RESPONSIBLE to treat women CORRECTLY and RESPECTFULLY throughout YOUR ENTIRE LIFE. Your mother, your sisters, your grandmother, your girlfriend, your daughters, your friends- all of them. " What about the bad ones? :D I should note that the latter three do not exist in my case, and the former three as far as I can see have no merit. But in any case I am "responsible" to no one but myself. " you MUST be chivalrous to be a real MAN. anything less is NOT HONORABLE, MANLY, and VIRTUOUS. " The code of chivalry is founded in the assumption of vastly inferior women. Real men do not make absurd assumptions that run counter to all the evidence. "Honorable" is as yet undefined," and "virtous"- The first and most important virtue is rationality. Being irrational does not grant you title to virtue but its opposite. " If you have this view, and a measure of control about yourself, and understand the menstrual cycle, you will not accidently impregnate a woman." "http://womenshealth.about.com...; "Knowledge of the menstrual cycle" is one of the worst birth control methods out there. That's why condoms exist, although those are imperfect. " you will have healthy happy fulfilling marriage. The key to life. " So unmarried people are locked out of life? I think not. a good marriage is a value but by no means a paramount one. " That is how we can end abortion. Men getting control over themselves, and having respect for women, and not raping and assaulting and controlling them." Even if you could entirely abolish rape, disrespect, etc., it would not end the usefulness of abortion. No birth control method is perfect, and so you'd have to end non-reproductive sex altogether, which would violate everyone's rights. "Or thinking that unborn children are "thiefs" and "parasites" " Read the dictionary definitions of those terms. You have failed thus far to establish a case for socialization of the womb, because you have not yet demonstrated your premise that biological life is sacred.