Abortion is wrong.

Why women make the choice doesn't make abortion wrong. It's still their choice. You are arguing against birth control because women are "irresponsible" by your reckoning. Also, we aren't dealing with babies, we're dealing with at most fetuses. And we aren't dealing with living, breathing, loving, thinking, people... we're dealing with fetuses with barely lizard brain formations. They are no more humans than cows (in fact, cows would have signficantly more brain matter and actually have neocortexes. These aren't remotely sickening facts to comprehend. They aren't people. The comparisons between thumbsucking and smiling to being a real person with thoughts and feelings is simply wrong. Much the same as the Schiavo where people swore up and down that she was looking at them and smiling and laughing and when they checked, she was blind and completely brain dead. You are confusing general expressions with emotions. It's developing but a still a long ways off from being a person. I'm glad that you understand your previous position was contradictory. If you're punishing women with children because they are irresponsible and don't want to go through a stressful and unnecessary forced birth, you had best punish them with giving birth to their rapists' children too. However, ultimately your position has no bearing on the argument at hand. I was pointing out that your position was inconsistent. Since you based your argument partially on misogyny and partially on the supposition that a fetus is a person (when it isn't by any standard), you had a little 'splaining to do. Going further into the obvious reducto ad absurdum, I used is pointless as you've now changed your position because of my logic. By your logic, you would be punishing children based on their fathers if you provided an exception for rape. In misogyny world, you can't make any allowances for the evil victimization of women to spare them from being further punished by forcing them to have children. DnX abortions are typical late term procedures. Most are currently done with a few pills early on. Outlawing abortion (which isn't strictly the topic but close enough) would take away the rights of the woman, changing her from a thinking feeling, real person into a forced incubator with all the serious medical, emotional, and physical risks associated with it. Fetuses don't have wills, they have an attachment to a uterine wall. Clearly the woman simply doesn't want to take responsibility for her actions... like getting raped (which you no longer provide an exception for). I pointed out that your arguments are based on the Bible, and thus baseless unless properly established. Bringing up more Bible quotes seems a little bit silly, don't you think? The vast majority of women are not haunted from having an abortion. The death rate of women is 7-8 per 100,000 births. So you are going to force women who were raped or who want to make choices about their risks and their bodies to take a 7-8 in 100,000 chance of dying. Because if the chance you survive if I force you to swallow a golf ball might be high, that could allow me to do it. --- It is absolutely wrong to force women to undergo unnecessary risks because you're a misogynist or because of unsubstantiated religious claims. It is the right of every person to make medical choices about their bodies. My opponent changed his opinion about rape exceptions and now rather than endorsing a contradictory stance thinks that women should be forced to have children because they "don't want to finish what they started" and "don't want to take responsibility". Forcing women to do something which is not in their best interests because of misogyny is wrong. Forcing women to do something which is not in their best interests because of religious ideas like souls is wrong. Forcing women to do something which is not in their best interests because of tortured and nonsensical logic about developmental biology is wrong. Forcing women is wrong. In San Salvador, if a woman comes in showing any signs of perhaps having had a back-alley abortion because she was raped and her father would kill her is hand cuffed to the bed. She is treated like a crime scene. If convicted she can spend decades in prison. Legal abortion is a moral good. It isn't something we want and we'd prefer other options be available and they are, but the ramifications of condemning women and forcing women and dictating by decree what they can and can't do is true evil. When dealing with a fetus we aren't dealing with a baby or a person. We're dealing with, at best, the potential. Just as we toss away embryos from fertility clinics we find the same moral concerns for undeveloped embryos. They aren't people. You want to force women into unspeakable hardship, blame them for it, punish them for it, and hate them for it... you'd need grounds more relative than an impersonal clump of cells.