Good and Evil. True facts, or fabricated fiction.

Ah my friend you misinterpreted me. "Suppose the decadence of man is persuaded by an unkown advisory When the decadence of man is approached by some mysterious advisor, the decadence of man is most likely on shrooms." Advisory: adjective having or consisting in the power to make recommendations but not to take action enforcing them I take offense to your blunt projectile of believing that the only way a figure of conflict can arise to, as you say, advise the population is only possible due to the effects of hallucinogenics. We have had many of these characters throughout history, a person who rises up and causes a stir throughout the nation, or even the world. Problem is, after they're dead, or now with our new attention spans, after a few days the whole world does not even bat an eyelash. They're just focused on mindless consumerism, like all good Americans. The world has many of these advisory characters, none which are ever truly seen. Many shadow forces that simply hint at an idea, but never force it upon the population. But the population seems, to always take hold. This is the power of manipulation, this is the power of suggestion. This is the power of subliminal messaging in which we all digest in any media we partake in. How long until the "recommendations" become law. "Some may call him the Devil, others may call him god. I doubt devils and gods exists, but OK. " Your lack of faith disturbs me. "But what if that advisory was us ourselves? Or the hallucination of an acid trip?" Just the hallucination? So you mean to tell me you don't associate yourself with a certain brand, have a favorite soda, have a song that "describes" you personally? Everything you own you feel as if it describes you, as if that is a representation of you. How much of yourself do you truly believe you are in control of? Maybe not you per say, but the mass population. You hear the horrible music everyone listens to these days. You see the garbage people melt their intelligence with on T.V. We are all brought up to believe in a brand, to brand ourselves. But on a purely subconscious level. So, if you knew anything of the Id, the Ego and the Super Ego you would know that the subconscious reigns from on high, and only gives your conscious minds suggestions. Since our minds are not trained to recognize subconscious engineering, our subconscious is much easier to program, therefore our subconscious easily programs our conscious. "What if we are all supposed to work as one? Then someone other than John Lennon would have told us." Sorry but every major religion shares that exact same idea. "Imagine a world where no one disagrees That would be terrible. We'd probably be wrong on a good many things but no one would challenge anyone since we'd all agree. We'd literally never progress. This would be literally the worst example of herd mentallity and herd morality possible. The herd is blinded by its faith in the above. Equality and utopia are equally blinding. Any false comforts and mind dulling efforts to overcome loneliness and avoid facing reality reduces man to the stupidity and complacency of the herd. "No shepherd and one herd! Everybody wants the same, everybody is the same: whoever feels different goes voluntarily into a madhouse." The herd animal doesn't think. It blindly follows the rest of the animals." Congratulations, you have just single-handedly described our entire population! Haven't you noticed that if you even whisper an opinion that is not in the liberal popular interest, that you are massacred on the spot? In our society, you are no longer able to disagree. You are no longer able to have your own opinion, if you are not a sheep following the herd you are blacklisted and everyone decides you are a sexist, homophobic, racist biggot, even if you aren't any of those things at all. We are headed towards a world that never disagrees. IE; dictatorship. "Everyone striving to make the world better for their fellow man...Socialist utopia...A world where no one is offended... I'll take the side of sovereign individuality. The primary force in nature is the will to power. The will to power with natural selection has thrust beast to man and it will continue to push man forward. Man is the link between the beast and the overman. Man is something to be overcome. If man has a purpose, it is to go extinct, so a new 'overman' can inhabit earth. The overman will be a supreme individualist. "Though shalt" will become the overman's "I will!" The last man will question love, beauty, creation, and longing. The last man will say 'one loves his neighbor so as to keep himself warm'. Man is lost to the world. The overman will conquor it. The will to power is how man pushes forward. You say strive to make the world better for your fellow man. Altruism necessarily depletes one's own store of power. The weak are destined to perish, so man can continually grow stronger. Man is divided between the inferior and superior. Stifling this distinction breeds mediocrity. Diminishing oneself for the sake of the inferior stifles man's push forward. Greatness becomes even less rare. "He who does not obey himself, will be commanded. This is the nature of living things" The prevalent classes of society are the slave class and the master class. It is not the duty of others to help those of the slave class reach the master class. Only those fit enough make the transition. Those unfit to be in the master class decend into the slave class. Some are content to be in the slave class. They are necessarily inferior for they have little will to power. The herd denies its will and thus contributes to the ruin of society. Values are personal not societal. Man is inherently selfish and should embrace his nature. Selflessness destroys greatness. Man must be able to reach the full height of his capacity. Herd morality, equality, and selflessness smothers our drive as individuals. "Man" = men and women by the way. What my opponent wants is a blind hope, impossible, ruinous to man, a herd mentality, and destroys every bit of greatness and the capacity to progress in man. It ignores man's fundemental nature and the fundemental force of nature--the will to power." My friend you couldn't have misunderstood me more. And not only did you misunderstand me, you didn't even make an argument on what the debate was about! Good, and Evil. Which I should have respectfully said, Right or Wrong to make it more clear. The sad fact of the matter is, is that people (in mass amounts) are nothing but common sheep. They only believe and support what they think should happen, whatever sounds best to them. Facts and opinions, real world issues don't matter to the every day civilian. They want their Breaking Bad, a friendly face to tell them every things okay, head to the mall for your next shopping experience and everything will be okay. Give us all your information, we'll keep you safe. Remember, opinions and thoughts are bad! And the modern day sheep accepts. What the debate was about, was what if someone came along. Someone who was in the spot light, someone very important or highly looked up to. Came out and gave everyone the finger. He called everyone and everything on their BS, and never apologized for it. Someone who was labeled as the bad guy. The Advisory, the conflict. You could compare him to the Devil, who slithers into the garden of Eden, where everything is calm and perfect and every things all happy fluffy BS, and offers the people there the fruit of knowledge. In other words, this guys shows up just to make everyone mad, in hopes of waking them up from their robotic subconscious slumber. So, on the larger scale of things, would this individual be a Bad guy? And Evil person? Every sheep who doesn't like to think believes he is, they don't agree with him, he is false and therefor he is unhealthy to their ways of thinking. Even if their way of thinking is actually, wrong. But who is to say its wrong? What if its right? The point is, there is no Right or Wrong. Right and Wrong have changed throughout time. A hundred years ago having sex with a fourteen year old was perfectly normal, it was expected. Now it lands you in prison. Right and Wrong, Morals, are all programmed inside of us. So, is it fair to say that his Advisory, the bad guy, is actually the missunderstood hero in all of this? This was my question. This was my debate. If all of these blind walking sheep are suddenly woken up, it will be total chaos. Total anarchy, in other words a brand new BREED of man, as you were quoting from our German friend. Would the world survive with these new "thinking" totally aware individuals? Or is the only hope for humanity as we know it, a mass mental slave society. With the faceless leaders in charge. That, is the debate.