Abolish the State!

They say that patience is a virtues. But tonight, i am all out of virtues. My self restraint and politeness has a breaking point, and i apologise in advance for what offensive things I may say. You are a fool. A damned fool. You think I have faith in politicians? No, of course not. Is our system flawed? Of course it is. But if something is broken, you don't throw it out unless you're some spoilt fool who thinks that every poor person is just lazy, and there is enough charities for everyone. Politicians don't think themselves angels above us; they think that they can look inside their own heart and know what's right. Granted, that's stupid, but everyone else does it too. You try to spin some elaborate speech about sheep and mankind's destiny, I say screw that. We are debaters. Logic and reason are our weapons. No more on this, back to the debate. Your main motivation seems to be resentment of the state, namely how by the end of the round, you are demanding I prove taxation is not theft. I believe this debate topic is entitled; Abolish the State. Not taxation is theft. There are a lot of people in every country and not everyone is going to benefit from every piece of infrastructure. If you don't like football, and the state builds a stadium near you, then you will complain they're wasting money. If you are an internet goer and the state proposes free wi-fi everywhere, you would sing songs of praise. You are selfish. So is everyone else. It is the role of the government to exact laws to inhibit our selfishness to a point, where we may fill the blanks with our culture, morality, religion and/or internet. The state need not be some utopia; such an idea is impossible. But what I do believe is that like exponential curves in maths, we will get closer and closer to the perfect world, but never reach it. But we don't need to. Our governments misuse our taxes and have high amounts of corruption. That is our fault. We knew the politicians were corrupt or inept, and yet we voted for them. We pay the price for our lack of vigilance; we should monitor the politicians more frequently. Socialism is not a moneyless system. It is a cradle to the grave system, where those who fall below the avergae are given just the minimum to get by until they are back on their feet. True, some may never return to their feet, they are known as the structural unemployed, the unemployed who will be present in every society no matter what. Only communism and facism have ever achieved full employment. You ask couldn't someone be a capitalist because they want to help the poor? Yes. But most don't. The ones that matter don't. The ones that make the difference, the ones which make up the 1% and influence markets, they don't use sweatshops and dirty tactics because they think they're helping. And if they do, they are falling into the Just World Fallacy, where one believes people "get what they deserve" and that they themselves are good people still. Everyone needs food. That is the bottom line. A worker does not decide their pay. They can use a trade union, but my studies of Irish history have shown me that the worker's trade union loses to the employer's union. Look up the 1913 lockout if you want to know more. It's what would happen in your stateless world. We can't return to a barter system, the dollar will have to remain. Who has all the dollars? The politicians. Do you plan to rob them? Why would anyone utilise enterprise if they suspected they would befall the same fate? Labour will initially try and fight back against their low wages. They will lose, as the companies can wait a lot longer. Then they will return broken. Unskilled workers who can use basic machinery will replace them, at lower wages as they offer no qualifications because schools are non-profitable. Keynesian economics, which I also study (history and economics are my strong subjects), is a mix of government injections with fiscal and monetary policy, something the US lacks. If the dollar was eliminated, the entire world loses all their dollar savings. Bankers, the stock market, anyone with a bank account in the US just lost everything. What's the new currency? Gold would need to be melted down to be turned into currency, which is expensive, and would need to be subsidised, by.. the state. So, store up your bottlecaps, and oil, because in your world, there's no more oil, so no electricity, so no power, or public services, no running water, no healthcare. And onto the subject of gangs. With no state to inhibit them, gun manufacturers would sell to the highest bidder. And forget reputations and standards, the person with the most guns and trigger fingers is the winner. Most likely republicans fighting against gun control would take over, or extremist groups. In a society without proper money, companies will serve no purpose. There is nothing to buy. No power tools to build houses or cars, and no fuel to drive vehicles. And as a final point, despite taxation having nothing to do with abolishing the state, no, taxation is not theft. It is your subscription to your society. You see, your passport doesn't come free. The police don't protect you for free. They are funded by your subscription. You may not benefit from every aspect of your subscription, but you get a vote and you can voice your opinion on how the country should be run. You don't like it? Then leave. You own your house, but you wouldn't be able to sit there on your own for long, surrounded by America, which belongs to the US government. The people may not agree with every law and tax incorporated, but if the american people could decide any law, they would long ago have a beer tap installed in every house. Tax is our membership due to the country we live in, and before you say you didn't have a choice to be born into your country, how many terms and conditions do you skip by every week without reading. You don't seem to care. You have become complacent. Lazy. Any faults in your world are because you and so many others have sat idly by when you could have done SOMETHING. You may say you had not the influence to change anything, but you didn;t even try, you just ranted on the internet about it. I have shown you what taxes are. Now accept your defeat with grace, as you said you would. In the comments. Or message me. I don't really care anymore. Fun debate. Thanks. Duncan.