The Universe can be objectively defined as matter in motion

The E=MC2 objection. I probably wasn't clear enough on this point. I agree that the equation doesn't imply that energy gives rise to matter. The equation states an equivalence. Energy can be converted into matter. Matter can be converted into energy. Or perhaps two other options, energy is matter, matter is energy. The reason I included the equation was to establish a link between matter and energy. To make sure I'm clear here. The equation itself is stating an equivalence. I'm taking the position that energy gives rise to matter. I think it is energy that is fundamental. You seem to be of the opinion that matter is fundamental. I'm also a bit confused by your actual position. One quote, "I believe everything in existence, including force fields and energy, consists of matter. " Another quote, "E=MC2 is a conversion tool that essentially states that 1 matter consists of very large amounts of energy, and that 1 energy consists of very small amounts of matter. " Your position is that matter is all that exists, if I understand it correctly. So lets replace energy with matter from that sentence, ". ..1 matter consists of very large amounts of matter (was energy), and that 1 matter (was energy) consists of very small amounts of matter. " If I understand you correctly, you don't think energy exists? Is that correct? The fun and interesting stuff, Nothing Pro's quote, "If there were no matter/energy, only space, an infinite vacuum; would we consider that a Universe? " Yes, we would consider that a universe. Why not? A universe is understood to be everything that exists. In this universe that would mean only space. It is just a universe with nothing in it. I spent 3 months trying to imagine nothing or finding a logical way to it. The best I could get was an infinite vacuum. I then read two books on nothing, "The Book of Nothing," John D. Barrow and "The Hole in the Universe," K. C. Cole. Neither book went any further than the vacuum. I suspect the vacuum is the end of the line. The primary foundation of the universe is empty space. We find space everywhere we look. At no time or place, has the absence of space ever been observed or arrived at logically. I have a glass that is empty, except that emptiness is filled with space. I pore water into the glass, filling it. However, the water needs a place to be, space. There is still space in the glass. Space is the most fundamental and abundant thing in the universe. Space is the foundation of everything. A few quotes from "The Hole in the Universe. " "Nothing is the stage of which everything plays out on. " [1] "He who understands nothing, understands everything. " [1] Nothing is referring to empty space in these quotes. I think we should begin with the understanding that space is the most important and abundant thing in the universe. Not even pure matter can exist without it. So we are in disagreement over what we see in the universe. I say, energy, you say matter. Let me make a case for energy being more fundamental than matter. Currently aprx. 73% of the universe consists of dark energy, 23% dark matter, 4% ordinary matter. [2] Even the 4% ordinary matter is more energy than matter. 99.9999999999996% of an atom is fields or forces. Radio active decay is when an atom emits energy, matter breaking down into energy. Radio signals, are they matter or energy? If they are matter, how do we make sense of higher frequencies (aka higher energy) and lower frequencies (aka lower energy)? A photon is considered to be mass less energy. A photon moves in a wave form. How could mass less matter travel in a wave? It stand to reason energy would be required at all times to control the oscillating wave. If the photon is matter, moving in a wave form, what is causing the matter to constantly be changing it's position, through the cycle of the wave? Radioactive decay is where an atom loses energy by emitting radiation. Matter can decay into energy. With the present expansion of the universe, it is predicted that in 1-2 trillion years, all matter will decay into radiation. [3] The universe will be empty of all matter. The cosmological constant/vacuum energy. This appears to be a property of space. Empty space has energy in it. I think it is more likely than not, that it is energy that is fundamental to the universe. I'm going to turn this back to you and see where you take it. I think we may have a definitions problem though. 1. The Hole in the Universe, K. C. Cole 2. . http://www.space.com... 3. A Universe From Nothing, Lawrence Krauss