Existence of a god

I would like to end the debate by just reinforcing some points I made, that I think you didn't quite get. I won"t be making new arguments just restating some points in a different way, for you to understand better. "I disagree that evidences (...)." That is a valid opinion and I won"t make you believe in anything, nor will God himself. God created us with free will, and we are permitted to choose what we believe. If you haven"t encountered enough evidence to say God is the most probable explanation, I suggest you seek God. Don"t just seek evidence for God in arguments, which is good, but truly seek God himself. Ask Him to reveal himself to. Pascal put it this way: You believe in God. If He exists, infinite reward, if He doesn"t, you live a normal life. You don"t believe in God. If He exists, infinite punishment, if He doesn"t, you live a normal life. Now to clear up some things. I did mention about, in round 2, what would happen if you say the other universe that created this one is timeless. But, I will say it again just to make sure you understood. Obviously, this universe is not timeless, because of the big bang. If another universe created this universe and that universe is timeless, I would say, that is a valid point. But then, I would ask you, how did it create this very complicated, fine-tuned universe. This is how did the timeless universe be able to create the perfect balance of laws of physics, so on, so on. You could respond: it created infinite universes and one of them, just so happened to be ours. I would respond: that would just be the infinite series of causes and effect all over again, and we know that"s wrong. So, you could say: It has some kind of "super-mind". I would respond: Ok that"s another valid, possible point. I said all this last round, but, maybe now it"s a bit clear. The point of this last bit that I wrote down was, if we carry on describing this other timeless universe, we will start to realise that we are describing God. The cosmological argument doesn"t prove God exists, but it doesn"t just show that all the other causes are probably not. Ok, I must admit I might not be able to call is an infinite series of causes and effects, because it would be one cause and infinite effects, which is different. I"ll have to look into it more depth. Still, this would not contradict God, it would however change the way we see God I think. God would be more like a machine that produces universes. Then again, ask yourself which is more likely. Maybe this last point that put up shows that we cannot prove God exists, we cannot completely understand God. God is above logic; we will never be able to define something that is undefinable. We cannot grasp God with our logic. We cannot put infinity in a box and brand it God. Job 11:7 Can you discover the depths of God? Can you discover the limits of the Almighty? Romans 1:20 is basically saying, we cannot see the invisible, we can however see His actions, and his actions show his existence. Thank you for the debate. Thank you for being honest with me and for being civilised in this debate. What I hoped You got from this is that there are some arguments that do push you to believe in God. But I also hope I showed you, that you will not reach God through arguments and logic. You will however, reach God trough Christ. John 14.6 Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. Remember it is not through logic or reasoning that you come to believe in God. It is through faith. I challenge you to really seek God in prayer. John 1:1-3 In the beginning was the Word,"and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.