God exists

CA = Counter ArgumentCA: If we observe everything around us we can see that everything is made so accurate and perfect. Oh really ? Plug this piece of data into your theory. .. .. .. Onchocerciasis (pronounced /ˈɒŋkɵsɜrˈsaɪ. əsɨs/ or /ˈɒŋkɵsɜrˈkaɪ. əsɨs/), also known as river blindness and Robles' Disease, is a parasitic disease caused by infection by Onchocerca volvulus, a nematode (roundworm). Onchocerciasis is the world's second-leading infectious cause of blindness. It is not the nematode but its endosymbiont, Wolbachia pipientis, that causes the severe inflammatory response that leaves many blind. The parasite is transmitted to humans through the bite of a blackfly of the genus Simulium. The larval nematodes spread throughout the body. When the worms die their Wolbachia symbionts are released, triggering a host immune system response that causes intense itching and can destroy nearby tissue, such as the eye [1]Do you still maintain that "If we observe everything around us we can see that everything is made so accurate and perfect. " ? Assuming a designer/observable evidence and complexityPro says "The way the entire universe is designed is with perfect organization and harmonious order, and that all matter from atoms to galaxies moving according to a program"And what "program" would that be ? You can't assume the universe is designed to prove that the universe is designed. If we don't assume that pills are designed, how could we know that they are designed ? We could know because we have observable evidence of pills being made by people. We could go visit the pill manufacture if you wanted too. Now lets not assume that the earth or the universe is designed, what observable evidence is there that shows the earth or universe is designed ? . .. .. .. .. NONE. Pro says "Then suddenly exact amounts of chemical from the jars just fell open and the medicine was created you will call this a complete nonsense. "Yes, because we have observable evidence of what it takes to make that medicine, in this case people/designer. What was the observable evidence again of the earth of the universe needing a designer ? The reason its absurd to reject that medicine is NOT designed, is because we have observable evidence that medicine is designed. We have no observable evidence that the universe or earth is designed. Please note again, just assuming that the universe is designed is not observable evidence of the universe being designed. To imply that because one things in the universe has design (medicine) therefore all things in the universe are designed even the universe it self its logically fallacious. Pro has not proved why the universe or earth needs a designer. Appearances are deceiving and just because something looks designed doesn't mean it isPeople used to believe that the earth was still, and the sun moved around the earth, after all they watched the sun rise up, and watch the sun go down. When it was suggested that maybe it was the earth that was moving, clearly this was just an ABSURD claim. Now we have, well if something looks designed then it must be designed, and notion that things like humans can exist without design is just ABSURD ! !! The idea that aspects of nature are too complex to have happened by chance (or more aptly natural processes if we wish to avoid straw men) is a fallacy of argument from ignorance, or even willful ignorance, in the case where the theist also has to reject what we already know about the facts of Darwinian evolution. It is essentially tantamount to the statement “I can't think how it could have happened, therefore God did it! ” It's also begging the question as to whether something can be too complex for evolution, at all. How would we know whether something is too complex without a sampling of confirmed examples contrasting natural low-complexity cases versus supernatural high-complexity cases? [2]Medicine bottles don't have the ability to produce on their own, but living organisms doNatural selection is the process by which biologic traits become more or less common in a population due to consistent effects upon the survival or reproduction of their bearers. It is a key mechanism of evolution. .. Natural selection acts on the phenotype, or the observable characteristics of an organism, but the genetic (heritable) basis of any phenotype which gives a reproductive advantage will become more common in a population (see allele frequency). Over time, this process can result in adaptations that specialize populations for particular ecological niches and may eventually result in the emergence of new species. [3]Example of "Design" that isn't really "Design" at allThe evolution of the peppered moth over the last two hundred years has been studied in detail. Originally, the vast majority of peppered moths had light colouration, which effectively camouflaged them against the light-coloured trees and lichens which they rested upon. However, because of widespread pollution during the Industrial Revolution in England, many of the lichens died out, and the trees that peppered moths rested on became blackened by soot, causing most of the light-coloured moths, or typica, to die off from predation. At the same time, the dark-coloured, or melanic, moths, carbonaria, flourished because of their ability to hide on the darkened trees [4]Now look at this from the moths point of view. Imagine that two moths are talking to each other, one moth says, we were "Designed", thus there is a "Designer". The other moths ask what evidence is there is for this design ? . The moth argues that look, we have this great dark colored camouflaged which helps protect us from predators, its absurd that this just happened by accident, you can't explain that. .. .. .. .. .. God did it. .. .. .. .. The great moth God of course. Other statements by ProPro says "Then suddenly exact amounts of chemical from the jars just fell open and the medicine was created you will call this a complete nonsense"The universe or the earth or life is not the same as a pill. Just because a pill is designed does NOT prove that the universe or earth or life is designed. Pro says "I stated how this world cannot be created by chance already. "You didn't prove it, you just asserted it. Pro says "Nature consists of water, soil/earth, air, fire. If nature created this universe it has to have the things it created in order to create it. "If the cause has to be the same as the effect, then this refutes that "material" effect was caused by an "immaterial" cause (eg God), or that a timeless being "God" caused a time effect (the universe). Pro says " If I harm nature in any way it won't react because it isn't our creator. However if it was to be our creator it wouldn't let anything happen to itself. "The reason it doesn't react is because its not capable of reaction. Pro says "Some other people believe that reason created this universe. Then who created reason? "I have no idea what Pro is saying here, and even if I did answer "I don't know" what is Pros argument here ? you can't explain it therefore God did it ? I look forward to Pros reply. Sources [1] . http://en.wikipedia.org...[2] . http://wiki.ironchariots.org...[3] . http://en.wikipedia.org...[4] . http://en.wikipedia.org...