God created the universe

Rebuttal: "There is no reason to believe that a why question even makes any sense. Because the everyday life of humans works with a why and purpose there is no reason to believe that it applies to the universe too" Of course you don't see a need for "why" question if you only see things through a strictly scientific viewpoint. If you don't accept that there may be a mind/intent behind this world we experience, then everything is purposeless and random. By opening the door just a crack to the possibility that there may be a designer to the universe, you then can ask the why to existence. I am not suggesting any of this "proves" God. No one can prove God 100%, like we've agreed. But to suggest the universe just exists for no reason at all seems the less common-sense claim, since everything seemingly complex in the universe itself has a purpose. You say that the part does not necessarily apply to the whole, which is true, but I would argue that the part often does in fact resemble the whole. And we have nothing in our experience except for the 'part' (aka everything we experience in our universe). As for your remarks on morality, obviously I cannot prove 100% there is objective morality. My point is that, as you have greed, without God or some universal designer of laws there is only subjective morality. You state that society has evolved some sense of agreed upon subjective morality, in general (such as slavery overtime being seen as immoral). At the end of the day though, there is no 'right' and 'wrong' without God. There may be what society considers punishable or 'bad' via social contract. But murder itself cannot be inherently wrong without an objectively morality. I could argue for the murder of a sick infant or disabled infant based on 'subjective' morality. Who's well being trumps the other? The sick infant? Or the burdened parents? Well-being is not so easily defined. I believe there is something beyond well-being, morality. Morality is defined by God. Without God, there is no universal code of morality. Period. I can have an opinion. You can have an opinion. We can try to help each other out. But no universal morality exists without God. "No, I don"t say that causation is an illusion. It is a way of talking about our universe which works very well. It even applies seemingly to most things in the universe." So you accept there is cause and effect in the universe for most things, which is obvious, but you don't think this applies to the universe itself? Why? Because then you would have to actually go outside of the comfort zone of science and try to explain how the universe came about? I know it is difficult to fathom, but literally every material effect in this universe has a cause. Just because we do not have proof of what the cause is of the universe does not mean it can have no cause. Show me any material thing in this universe that does not have a cause. (And no I don't buy that the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle shows that something can occur without a cause, just because we can't measure the exact location of particles). Then you begin to mention (unless I am misunderstanding, your wording got a little confusing here) that if God caused the universe, why does He not need a cause? God is admittedly a concept we cannot understand fully. He exists outside of time and space. He is eternal. His will created the universe. God exists outside the laws of the universe (cause/effect) because He CREATED the laws of the universe. I don't know why atheists have such trouble with this concept. You basically admit it is unexplained where the laws of the universe come from, unless you apply some larger 'multiverse.' But the multiverse explains nothing, it's just a way for scientists to say the singularity of the Big Bang does not really shows the universe has a beginning because then they may need to consider a God. What created the multiverse? What created the laws in the multiverse? Why should I assume there is a multi-verse? Because you claim it is proven by some theoretical physicists? I don't think there is any solid proof for a multi-verse, and you have not stated any sources for this. My point about the vastness of space being there so we would look out in wonder at God's creation is more of a thought provoker than a proof, but I stand by it. There is no reason to think that God would 'fill everything up' just because He could if he wanted to. For thousands of years human kind has looked out into space. I stand by my argument for intelligent design and fine-tuned universe. I do not see that you have proven a cell can form itself or that the diversity we see in the animal/plant kingdom can be adequately explained. Just because you say RNA came before DNA does not explain how RNA came to be. RNA is pretty complex itself. Some scientists have even concluded that aliens may have seeded it on our planet because they are so unwilling to consider the possibility of a creator (aka God). This says something.