Devil's Advocate Debate: Socialism is an overall a better system than Capitalism (rematch)

Your argument on China: Abuse. So this is just a rematch, and I expected that we would operate on the same rules. In fact at the top of this debate you state that: “The same rules apply in this debate as it had in the previous one”…. One of the rules you mandated and I accepted last debate, was: “The variant of Socialism that my opponent debates for is up to them as long as it does not touch on Communism (since most arguments against communism are exclusive to communism and cannot be melded as to be the same as ones argument against Socialism)” In this argument he clearly states that arguments against communism are exclusive to communism. Yet what is his main contention about, China. And is China socialist, or communist? Very, very communist. Specifically the era that he talks about comes from Mao, who based his government off of Stalin. Note Mao’s same use of “5-year plans” just as Stalin did. Because of this I must request all voters to throw this argument out. Concessions 1. ) Con concedes that capitalism logically and empirically requires socialist integrations in order to function, socialism can, as we can empirically see and thus the resolution cannot be negated. 2. ) Con concedes my evidence that capitalism leads inextricably to monopolies and the creation of huge wage gaps as a result of culmination of power and recourse to the top of the food chain. Thus socialism is preferable to pure capitalism. 3. ) Con concedes that even if he is right in believing that capitalism leads to increased work morale, my point that this argument doesn’t means socialism does the opposite, is true. Thus this argument musn’t be considered against me. 4. ) Con concedes that his ‘appeal to human nature’ contention does not mean that capitalism is better than socialism, because many things appeal to human nature and are evil. 5. ) Con concedes my point that an individual cannot be happy and productive in a capitalistic society because according to my evidence they or their children will end up being suppressed by big business monopolies and wealth/education gaps. 6. ) My opponent concedes my evidence from “Philosophy and Economy of Market Capitalsm: A Critical Study” which posits that motivation exists prevalently in socialist societies while also giving people their basic needs which I then claims means capitalism is not preferable. These statements are conceded and thus are accepted to be true. Being that they are accepted to be true, socialism must logically be preferable to capitalism. 7. ) Con concedes the entire argument that empirically there are Many successful socialist nations, most of which are actually doing better in every area of their governments and economies whether it be in education, happiness of the people or over all freedom. This entire point is conceded and thus con has admitted that empirically, socialism leads to better outcomes. This can also be used to discredit his China argument which has been discredited many other ways in any case. 8. ) Con concedes contention 2 of my last round which declares that capitalism empirically fails because it creates corruption and ultimately leads to monopolies. Thus being that this statement is conceded, con agrees and the resolution cannot be negated. Con’s point on innovation in socialist countries Arguments 1. ) Con states that during Mao’s reign the economy fell sharply, however, the graph presented shows no slip in the economy, it shows a very steady and then a very rapid rise, but no sharp decreases. Thus his contention isn’t supported by his own evidence 2. ) Con does not show why innovation in business fundamentally makes capitalism and overall better system than socialism. In fact, I will posit that it does not, being that I have proven that the bigger the businesses get, the more of a monopoly will form. Monopolies suppress rights and increase the wage gap and thus, innovation doesn’t mean cap is better than soc. This is an impact turn, so even if we accept his argument to be true, it only goes against him. 3. ) You also do not recognize the fallacy in attributing the rise of capitalism in China with increased economic output. You must prove and not assume this link. However, being that next round is a rebuttal, I’m pretty sure no new arguments can be made and thus you cannot support this claim, rendering it void. 4. ) Finally, you simply have no citations to affirm the claim that capitalism in China lead to increased output. This is key. 5. ) This argument is abusive. Capitalism alive because of socialism Arguments 1. ) None of you argument in this section actually refute the claim you intended or seemed to be intending to refute. Instead he talks about china again, when he is supposed to be talking about my evidence about capitalism needing socialistic support. 2. ) The failure of the Communist Chinese state does not reflect the ultimate outcome of Socialist states around the world, it is only one instance and it ist even the same system. “No true scottsman” Arguments 1. ) This is not a fallacy at all. You are simply straw-manning my argument. The argument is that you cannot claim that just because of 1 error that something will be erroneous every time. Remember that this isn’t even socialism, its communism. List of countries 1. ) The ‘contradiction’ in my argument: No, my argument is that China was using communism the wrong way and that is why their economy collapsed. Not that China Is currently doing communism wrong…Also, communism no= socialism. Taxes Arguments 1. ) Whether taxes are high or low in a socialistic society is irrelevant. All that matters is that the burden can be handled, which it can. Secondly, people are forced to pay taxes against their will even in capitalistic America, if you were not aware. 2. ) Tax money is not immoral. Tax money is used to uphold rights and make the public world function and thus taking it is justifiable. Its not like it goes into the pockets of some dictator. 3. ) The claims in there about freedom in socialistic society, go unchallenged.