Communism is an ineffective system and should be abolished

Thank you for explaining your position. I would also like to thank you for concluding in a polite manner. I do have thick skin though. If you called me any sort of derogatory name I would be completely contempt. The only thing that was bothering me was the fact that this is a formal debate setting. As for your question, yes, I have read animal farm (and quite enjoyed it in fact). George Orwell is by far one of my favourite authors of all time. It's ironic since he himself was a socialist. I understand the allegories made in animal farm. I don't think pro knows this, but I have been in debates against Stalin in the past :) I've read Rousseau's works and I am quite aware of the argument you present. Yes, it is inherent animal nature to feed their young, hunt their prey ect. The important thing to note here is the fact that less evolved animals have a lower level of cognitive awareness. The point of being so advanced is the pursuit of an altruistic worldview. Another thing to note is the fact that it is all done out of survival. Why do wolves slaughter their prey? For survival. The wish for exploitation and material possessions does not express the need for survival. Humans ARE to an extent shaped by society. Sure, we eat and drink and breathe without societal output, but our mindset varies. In the islamic world, children are taught all sorts of odd things which they believe in. It's all about indoctrination, which can be useful if pursued for an altruistic purpose. 1. Not if the entire society as a whole is the power structure. Communist Vietnam, The DPRK and China (not a socialist country anymore[1]) are not and were never communist countries. I have made this clear multiple times now. They are socialist countries. [3][4] Socialism is the pathway to communism, not the same thing. That's why the resolution is rather weak on its own. When I refer to society I refer to human community, human cooperation. A herd is not a society. The definition of society:'a highly structured system of human organization for large-scale community living that normally furnishes protection, continuity, security, and a national identity for its members:'[5] I apologize for labelling pro a hypocrite. Although the fact remains that unbacked statements are declarative statements with no proof behind them. You provided sources in your last argument so I am willing to forgive it. Again, I never said that they are in contradiction with one another, I merely said that that's how it works in capitalism. The economy remains in socialism and is to an extent abolished in communism as there is no need for a global economy. Communes still exchange with one another ect. The only difference here is that the profit motive is abolished completely as is currency in general. All is in the collective, all goes form the collective to the people. The human development index is not a measure of happiness. Perhaps you would be more pleased with a better source.[6] This index takes into account 1. Human satisfaction 2. Enviromental beauty 3. Sustainability The human development index and the global happines index are both flawed as they are based mostly on GDP per capita, which is not a measure of happiness or equality. Vietnam has a high level of equality and happiness as I proved above. Ukraine and Thailand are not socialist countries. This is irrelevant. 2. Completely irrelevant if chairman Mao committed genocide. If you're referring to the great leap forward, it killed around 40 million people, mostly caused by bad planning. I will not cite this as it is irrelevant. That is a complete hypothetical. You have no evidence of that as it has never been attempted. 3. No, we are not all perfect and we do not need to be. We only need to realize that living modestly, yet equally is superior to living pompously, yet unequally. There would be no currency in communist society. Mentally disabled people would be treated by doctors who would receive rewards from the collective. 4. We don't need to be perfect and we're not necessarily driven by greed. Greed is the single desire for more material possessions. If we were all fueled by greed, how would the very premise of communism even come about? 5. Survival has nothing to do with greed. All we need for survival is food, water, safety and shelter. All we need for a good life is education, a comfortable home and company. All of that can be provided by the collective. I do accept it, I just don't understand why that's your choice. Very well then. I actually do believe in what I say for the record. Thank you for this debate and thank you for your final apology. I would be glad to continue this debate. You've been a worthy adversary. References: [1]http://en.wikipedia.org... [2]http://en.wikipedia.org... [3]http://en.wikipedia.org... [4]http://en.wikipedia.org... [5]http://dictionary.reference.com... [6]http://en.wikipedia.org...