Quran alone : The misled Sunni/Shia (the followers of hadith for guidance)

YOU:Guidance without approval (or from) Allah: ___ Eg of what prophets disapprove. 3:79 It is not for any human being that Allah would give him the Book and the authority and the prophethood, then he would say to the people: "Be servants to me rather than Allah!" Rather: "Be Devotees for what you have been taught of the Book, and of what you have studied." Egs of what the Quran approves. (ITSELF) 75:17-19 Indeed, upon Us (is) its collection and its recitation. And when We have recited it, then follow its recitation. Then indeed, upon Us (is) its explanation. 12:111 In their stories is a lesson for those who possess intelligence. It is not a narration (Ĥadīthāan) that has been invented, but an authentication of what is between his hands and a detailing of all things, and a guidance and a mercy for a people who believe. And finally ANY HADITH that comes AFTER the book of ALLAH and its approval. 77:50 Then in what fabi-ayyi statement <--- Hadithin <---- after it <--- baadahu <--- will they believe? yu'minuna Is your hadith AFTER the Quran? Prove to me how your hadith doesn't fail 77.50? Quran asks you HOW do you believe in it once the Quran has been collected, recited and recorded by Allah? Tell me where does it say the prophets approve of anything but the book and 3.79"kuntum tadrusuna" "What YOU have studied"? Where does Allah give permission for the prophets narrations to be recorded, WHEN HE was the greatest of witnesses? __ YOU:Quran 16:43-44 Wouldn't a prophet"be more knowledgable(sic) about the commands from God (Quran 16:43-44) __ My direct response is wouldn't Allah be more knowledgeable than the prophets? You follow the example of prophets while they follow the commandments of Allah that you have in your possession. The prophets all followed examples set by other prophets. The final prophet read the same stories about, Nuh, Issa, Musa, the SAME WORD FOR WORD guidance he heard from the angel, sent to him from Allah to make him a muslim. Allah commands are in the Quran (are these not commandments? www.islamawakened.org/quran/roots/Qaf-Waw-Lam.html); the prophet conveyed these messages to us and therefore deserved to be obeyed. The words he was using to guide us were the revelations. ALL HE ENDEAVOURED FOR was the revelations to be heard, not his story. Is this not true? The ayats you mentioned say the people of Dhikr www.islamawakened.org/quran/roots/Thal-Kaf-Ra.html What is the Dhikr (remembrance)? 3:58 That (is what) We recite [it] to you of the Verses and the (DHIKR) Reminder [the] Wise. 6:90 Those (are) ones whom Allah has guided, so of their guidance you follow. Say, "Not I ask you for it any reward. It (is) not but a reminder (DHIKR) for the worlds." 7:2 A Book revealed to you so (let) not be in your breast any uneasiness from it that you warn with it, and a (DHIKR) reminder for the believers. 7:63 Do you wonder that has come to you a (DHIKR) reminder from your Lord on a man among you, that he may warn you and that you may fear, and so that you may receive mercy." Please explain how you interpret the DHIKR of Allah to be anything besides the Al-Kitab and its content? ___ YOU:The former verse gives permission to ask messangers(sic). ___ The former does give permission to ask the messengers, but the messengers response is that of the DHIKR from within the book. MY claim is not refuted, try again. ____ YOU:If you claim that this verse only speaks about Quranic revelation, then do you mean that the Prophet can give wrong religious commands and mistakenly lead people to falsehood? ____ YOU FORGET they are also sitting the test INCLUDING PROPHETS. If a prophet ended up following his desires he can misled, absolutely. 7:175-176 And recite to them (the) story (of the) one whom We gave [him] Our Verses, but he detached [from] them, so followed him the Shaitaan and he became of those gone astray. And if We willed surely, We (could) have raised him with these [and] but he adhered to the earth and followed his (vain) desires".. ____ YOU:3- Similar to Samiri: Can you point the similarities between worshiping a calf idol and recording the words and actions of prophet? ____ AGAIN it is not what he created. It is what he said that is important. The people followed something that he says specifically ""This (is) your god and the god (of) Musa, but he forgot." They followed something that Samiri claimed was not part of the complete book, a piece of vital information that he thought (20:96) should be recorded. ANY GUIDANCE BESIDES ALLAHS leads astray, how can you claim your hadiths guide (again 77.50) ____ YOU:Once again, one of the methods to be rightly guided is obeying the prophet. Please address this statement. ____ Obeying the prophet is OBEYING THE REASON THEY BECAME A PROPHET. They were given guidance and had the duty of conveying it on people. If he didn't have the words of Allah, the guidance, they would not be worthy of obeying. Please explain in the Samiri incident, did they OBEY the prophet and follow Allah or OBEY the words of Samiri who took from the footsteps/tracks of the prophet, rather than the prophets words? ____ YOU:Loving Allah is connected with following the prophet. ____ Loving Allah is connected through following THE REVELATIONS bestowed upon the prophet. ____ YOU:1- Does the prophet give commands? 2- Did Muslims ask the prophet questions for clarification? 3- Did Mohammad point that somethings are halal or haram? ____ Q1,2 and 3 Yes. But all the answer the prophets gave were from the revelations of Allah and not out of their own desires. Show me one place where the prophet made a move without the Quran and out of his own desire in hadiths? ____ YOU:Really, it is almost like you are saying that sahaba should obey and follow the prophet, but we are not required to. ____ Everyone who hears the words of Allah (the book) is part of the sahaba, like hearing the prophet reveal it to us the first time. like listening to the angel reveal it to the prophet, ike angel listening to Allah. We are required to OBEY ALLAH the principle and the angels (the teachers), not the words of sahaba (the fellow students) about the student advisor (prophet) ____ YOU: As I said, Hadiths are not perfect, and stydying(sic) them is taken seriously. ____ How do you follow something that contains imperfection when Allah gave you a perfect book? ____ YOU:1- Demonstrate that all Hadiths are mean to recreate personal desires. 2- Explain how and what do you mean by Hadiths making something WITHOUT the truths approval 3- Demonstrate that Hadiths are not with conjunction with the truth. ____ 1. All hadiths are the recording of what someone thought was worthy of being recorded. Not from the prophet commanding them to record it, but out of there own desire. 2. The Hakk is the Al-Kitab. I have explained the answer to this at the start of this round. ref: http://www.islamawakened.org...... 3. Gladly Volume 007, Book 069, Hadith Number 482. (also Bukhari 7:69:508) ------------------------------------ Narrated By Abu Huraira : On the night Allah's Apostle was taken on a night journey (Miraj) two cups, one containing wine and the other milk, were presented to him at Jerusalem. He looked at it and took the cup of milk. Gabriel said, "Praise be to Allah Who guided you to Al-Fitra (the right path); if you had taken (the cup of) wine, your nation would have gone astray." GABRIEL PLAYED A GAME OF CHANCE WITH THE PROPHET. ANGELS COME TO THE WORLD TO REVEAL not GAMBLE. EXPLAIN how Abu Huraira and your so called salah hadiths are not the works of shaitain 5:90? ____ YOU:2- unless you are claiming that the prophet's words are in contradiction to Allah, I don't see how Hadiths contradicts your point. ____ It is not the prophet who is in error but the people who want EARTHLY FOODS and not what has been sent down". just like hadiths. ____ YOU:I have addressed your points regarding humans being tempted, and standing with the prophet and Quran in the previous round. ____ No you haven't, please clarify ____ YOU:When you say that the prophet taught the people, you mean gave them the study material, which is the Quran. However, the Hadiths are the methods of recording those lessons he taught the people. ____ 75:17-19 Indeed, upon Us (is) its collection and its recitation. And when We have recited it, then follow its recitation. Then indeed, upon Us (is) its explanation. ___ YOU:The prophet is a role model ___ Yes and who better than Allah can explain the BEST examples of ALL prophets (including Muhammad)? ___ YOU:Then there is the part regarding the ridiculous claim that the Quran explained everything. ___ Are you saying Allah forgot to explain his word? Why would he misguide? ___ YOU: Q1 to 6. In Q4 you mentioned the word Jumu'ah. How did the people know it meant Friday or a day of the week? The words used in the Quran were NOT INVENTED by the Quran, all these words and actions, with ilm and other supporting ayats can easily been answered. ___ YOU:Abu Huraira reported... ___ Answer my above question about his salah error, if you cant get the start right, what the point of reading it. ___ YOU: What is your criteria for calling something "Detailed" ____ Not my criteria: 16:89.."And We have revealed the Book to you which has -->clear explanation of everything<--, and a guidance, mercy and good news for those who submit." ___ YOU:The stonning(sic) is a symbolism of the incident. ___ Ibrahim asked his son, his son nor Ibrahim were not tempted. Prove it using Quran. Leave YOU with this: Answer it. Surah 96.1READ is the 1st revelation to prophet Muhammad (according to hadiths) YET 96:9-10 Have you seen him who forbids, A servant when he prays? How does the prophet know salah on the 1st revelation and was already FORBIDDEN? Do you forget the kaaba was there and NOT EVERYONE around it was idol worshipping? NOT EVERYONE was whistling and clapping, was the prophet? I will respond to your final in later round due to space restriction.