Islam misunderstood

//God is doing the "selecting" // I dare say this is not true. There is nothing "doing" the selecting, it is just the fact that if organisms can't survive they will die. It has nothing to do with god. But even ignoring what I just said, you have no evidence to support that it is god save for the name 'Al Bari'. With this lack of evidence being treated as true I can make any number of assertions regarding who is doing the selecting whilst each having the same amount of validity as your god does. But the only thing that has any real validity is the claim that the selecting process works via natural means. //you most agree that logic should be an important part of a true religion.// Mehhhhhh, somewhat. If a religion is true there would be logic behind it but as in the case of science logic alone doesn't cut it. One can make logical arguments for and against god (which is what I shall do) but you being the person claiming there is a god must prove s/he exists using more than just logic. (Also, giving Quran verses is fine but you shouldn't try to prove the Quran is true using itself. ie. The Quran is true because it says so ect.... I am aware you are not doing this I am merely warning against it) But to the actual verses. 1: What does this first verse prove? It is merely stating that Allah made the animals (much like Genesis might I add). This his absolutely nothing to do with evolution. 2: First off, I looked on Quranenglish.com for the verse in question and I found this: Surah 51:47: "And heaven – We made it with Our Own Power and We have the Power to do so."[1] This makes no mention of the heavens being expanded. But regardless I will answer the argument anyways. You say there are 7 heavens and this passages mentions all of them since it uses the word "heavens" (according to the version you provided) meaning that it is not necessarily talking about the universe. But since the universe is one the heavens this is somewhat valid. But before I go more in depth can I first ask for some evidence showing that the known universe is considered a heaven according to Islam? Thank you. Now, we have a fairly good grasp of what is causing the universe to expand, first off there was the initial "bang" that propelled matter outward and that combined with the repulsive cosmological constant makes the universe expand. There is no need for a god to cause the expansion. 3: //heavens and the earth were joined together // But they weren't... the Earth was formed roughly 10 billion years after the big bang. So no, there is not a clear connection at all. This is just saying that in the creation that the Quran talks about, the Earth and they sky were formed together which, if anything, contradicts modern science. I say, answer that. 4: May I ask what evidence there is (outside the Quran) that says that Muhammed actually saw all this stuff and wrote it? Once that is given I will refute it. Arguments: I will propose a few paradoxes that disprove attributes of your god: First off I will propose the simple "Problem of Evil" set fourth by Epicurus. 1: Is God able to prevent evil but not willing? Then he is not all loving ergo the god that is commonly described is false. 2: Is God willing to prevent evil but not able? Then he is not all powerful ergo the god that is commonly described is false. 3: Is God able and willing? Then why is there evil? This cannot be an option since there is evil thus god is either 1,2 or 4. 4: Is God neither willing nor able? Then why call him god? ~~Epicurus (adapted by me) As we can see with the above argument god is either no all powerful thus your god is wrong, god is either not all loving thus your god is wrong again or your god simply isn't a god. QED. Next is the "Omnipotence Paradox". Can god create a rock so heavy he himself cannot lift it? 1: If yes, he is not omnipotent because he cannot lift said rock. 2: If no, he is not omnipotent because there is something god cannot do. 3: God does not exist. This is why omnipotent beings can never exist. The third and final logical argument is the "Omniscience and Learning argument". (The formal argument is complex and thus I will make it simpler but I will still link to the full one) 1: An all knowing being, God, exists. 2: God is and always has been all knowing. 3: Being all knowing means you have all experimental knowledge. 4: Having all experimental knowledge means one knows what it's like to learn something. 5: 'Thus God knows and has always known what it's like to learn.' 6: Know what learning is like obviously means you have learned something! 7: Learning means that you went from not knowing to knowing. 8: Thus God went from a state of not knowing to one of knowing. 9: 'Thus God was once in a state of not knowing...' 10: Meaning God has not always been all knowing. 11: "God has always been omniscient and has not always been omniscient." 12: Thus your god does not exist. [2] Also, there is no scientific need for a god of any sort seeing as the universe can come from nothing. This may seem odd but listen. Observation 1: Our universe has 0 net energy. Our universe has 0 total energy due to the fact that matter/energy is positive and gravity is negative thus if you add them, the cancel to 0 exactly. The important thing about a 0 energy universe is that it can come from nothing. This will be shown in subsequent observations. Observation 2: Quantum fluctuations can create matter from nothing. Quantum fluctuations can create matter from nothing, of course these are quite short lived since they have positive net energy but if a particle, or a universe, were to say, have 0 total energy, there would be no limit upon the longevity of said entity. Observation 3: Since our universe has 0 total energy and quantum fluctuations can create matter from nothing our universe can come from nothing. Therefore: Your god is not needed. [1] http://www.quranenglish.com... [2] http://www.infidels.org...