Abe Lincoln vs. Barack Obama

"wouldn't you want to create taxes in order to help pay for what is going on?"*Insert stereotypical republican horsesh*t argument about making taxes more effective rather then make new ones to pay for stuff*"Congress was not composed of entirely Republicans. "It was when the Homestead Act and some of the other bills Lincoln signed that you brought up were passed... And the bill to abolish slavery was almost unanimously opposed by conservatives, which is the same way today with everything Obama proposing being opposed by conservatives. Hell if Obama wanted to pass a bill to lower taxes Republicans in Congress would immediately crucify him for wanting to cut taxes with the debt being so high (because theyre retarded like that) Lincoln could only pass bills with a massive majority in Congress, Obama could only pass bills with a massive majority in Congress"In fact, probably 99% of the entire country (excluding blacks) didn't think that African-Americans should have the right to vote. "There were people in Congress who actually thought that blacks should be politically equal to whites: http://en.wikipedia.org...In fact about a third of Lincoln's own party believed that once slavery ended blacks should be able to vote:http://en.wikipedia.org..."Andrew Johnson was a Democrat and Abe Lincoln was a Republican. This is probably the only example in this history of ths US where we had a president and vice president in office of two different political parties."Early US presidential elections were structured so that the winner would become president and that the loser would become vice president, so there were actually a good number of Presidents with Voce Presidents of a different party, the most well known being Adams (Federalist) with Jefferson as his VP (Dem-Rep)" Johnson was impeached and almost removed from office but wasn't by the safety of one vote. He was a loony. Not Lincoln."So you admit that Lincoln chose a loony of a Vice President? Wait, Obama picked Biden whose equally loony. Nevermind. "1. Lincon's election led to the secession of southern states because they knew his outlook on slavery. Not because he was terrible."Still, his election caused the country to split up whereas Obama brought the country together (for roughly 3 months before it went to hell)"2. Obama did not have a Civil War on his hand. There is nothing going on like there was 140 years ago."Oh so blame the guy before Lincoln for why Lincoln inherited the problem? Obama does the same thing with bush on everything so that just makes them more even. "3. When Lincoln was president the South was the Confederate States of America. They had and managed their OWN economy. This was not Lincoln's doing. "Im sure the South was managing it just fine too before Lincoln came in and legit burned it all to the ground. "4. When Obama became president, our debt exploded more than it already was and unemployment barely moved."Well if Lincoln is allowed to blame the presidents before him for the mess he inherited, then Im going to do the same for Obama and say that the presidents before Obama made the mess that Obama inherited. "5. Lincoln thought blacks and white shouldn't be politically equal because of the time period as I have stated previously."There were tons of people who thought blacks should be able to vote in the 1860's, that argument is just plain false, and it doesnt discredit the fact that Lincoln was kinda racist. "7. If Lincoln supported the abolition of slavery, then I think it's safe to say that he isn't a racist."Well Im against police profiling but if I see a black guy walking towards me on a small sidewalk im still crossing the street. That means im still kinda racist even though I dont condone it, and the same logic applies to Lincoln. "9. What would Lincoln do with a war that claimed 600,000 lives? Sit back and play cards? In times of crisis, it has been notorious that restrictions on Constitutional rights be implemented in some way."Just because its a time of war it doesnt mean that the government can go ahead and arrest people without saying what they are accused of doing.... Bush arguably invaded peoples privacy but Lincoln flat out repealed Constitutional Rights which Obama has never done and could get a modern president impeached in a heart beat"Lincoln does not pass the laws himself, he needs support from Congress. So to blame one man for the infringement of millions is kind of inaccurate."Im not putting the blame all on him im just saying he played a massive role in the repealing of Constitutional rights, so he is kind of responsible even if you dont want to admit it. "10. Obama and his thoughts about gun laws is a complete example of wanting to suspend Constitutional Rights."Im sorry, I didnt know that you were a psychic who knows what Obama is thinking about. Also the second amendment isnt universal, its illegal to own a rocket launcher or a tank and background checks arent against the Constitution. "Lincoln fought through a four year Civil War that claimed 600k lives. Obama has barely fought through the legalization of gay marriage."Oh for f*cks sake, thats how youre going to compare them, really? Lincoln didnt HAVE to invade the South the second he became president since it can be argued that states have the right to secede while im also pretty sure Lincoln had some pretty racist sh*t to say about gays.... "Lincoln abolished slavery, freeing blacks in the USA and the south after the war was over. Obama has not done anything to this magnitude."You and I both know that blacks didnt become truly equal to whites until around 1987..... After the Civil War blakcs still got lynched in the thousands, and thanks to Jim Crow laws and Sharecropping, blacks were still treated like slaves well after the Civil War ended... "Lincoln had a high moral outlook and integrity that exceeds most. Obama enjoys using oversea drones to execute suspected terrorists when it also claims innocent civilian lives as well."And how many innocent civilian lives were claimed during the Civil War exactly? Im going to guess a couple thousand more then Obama ever droned to death. Also, how does not thinking blacks should be able to vote give Lincoln a 'high' moral outlook? ==========================================================================Final Score:Civil Wars caused:Lincoln 1, Obama 0Constitutional Rights violated:Lincoln 1, Obama 0Americans dead while president:Lincoln hundreds of thousands, Obama a couple hundredStates seceded while presidentLincoln 11, Obama 0Economies destroyed:Lincoln 1/2 (The South's), Obama 0 (If you think the American economy was destroyed by Obama then youre a dumba**)Racist:Lincoln yes, Obama noThinks blacks should be able to vote:Lincoln no, Obama yesWhen you tally up the scores, Obama kind of has some strong points over Lincoln. They are at the very least equal with Lincoln not being infinitely better then Obama