Germs in the blood is a secondary phase of the disease process.

1, Quote from pro .."My opponent waffles on endlessly about the great achievements of Robert Koch. [Note - Most of this information is off topic nonsense which is irrelevant to the debate.] -------------- It must be noted that pro brought up Koch in the first place. CON was merely responding. ------------------------ 1 A, quote from pro .."But Robert Koch wasn't such a great hero but was just a fool..." --------------- He became a Nobel Laureate in 1905. (1) Perhaps pro needs to list other "fools" who won the Nobel. ---------------- 2. The burden of proof. ....The debate is "Germs in the blood is a secondary phase of the disease process." Pro has the burden to prove this point. CON is asking that pro define these terms rather than ranting about other topics. Therefore pro must prove that "Germs in the blood is a secondary phase of the disease process." CON needs only refute pro's stance. ----------- 3. Quote "Con is saying that Hippocrates was liar. " --------------- CON is saying that Hippocrates set forth a "grain of observational truth". At best he observed that internal biology may have an influence on some diseases. His real contribution to medicine was making medicine an "art" rather than "magic". He separated medicine from religion. " It was Hippocrates who finally freed medicine from the shackles of magic, superstition, and the supernatural." (2) -------------------- 4.Quote .."If somebody presents as being sick, does a doctor examine their gut first to see if that is what is causing their problem? Answer - Hardy ever. " ---------------- Answer "quite often" Physicians often have a stool sample examined to aid in diagnosis. ( Do "leaky gut" proponents examine stools?) (3) ---------------- 5. Quote " Doctors use symptoms to diagnose medical problems. They use temperature, heart rate, blood pressure and may do a blood test or urine sample. Now, will any of these tests indicate if the person has a leaky gut syndrome problem? Answer - Not a chance! " -------------- Many doctors look for bacteria in a blood sample. (4). When bacteria are found, antibiotics might be given as an initial phase. If a patient's symptoms return in short order, a physician will look for a source of contamination. If the source is the intestine, the diagnosis may be given as to a small number of conditions such as Inflammatory bowel diseases, Irritable bowel syndrome, or Other limited inflammatory or autoimmune conditions. But certainly the diagnosis will not be that the patient has "all diseases". . ---------------- 6 Pro then posits what he calls " Research papers on Paleo diet" -------------- . The first cite is "Nutritional strategies for skeletal and cardiovascular health: hard bones, soft arteries, rather than vice versa." and it addresses CALCIUM and osteoporosis . Paleo is NOT mentioned in the abstract. #2 is about milk. In the third article listed, it found " Paleolithic nutrition resulted in greater short-term pooled improvements on each of the 5 components of the metabolic syndrome than did currently recommended guideline-based control diets. However,the greater pooled improvements did not reach significance " (5) Thus, even the studies cited by pro to support pro's position, do not support pro's position. ---------------- The evaluation of germ theory can be done through evidence and through results ." The fight against infectious disease advanced dramatically with the consolidation of the germ theory in the 19th century. This focus on a predominant cause of infections (ie, microbial pathogens) ultimately led to medical and public health advances (eg, immunization, pasteurization, antibiotics). " (6) CON asks pro to provide evidence of results rising out of "leaky gut theory". --------------------- And still from round #2...Pro still leaves these items on the table A. Pro must distinguish between "educated", "wise", "intelligent", and "comprehensive". B We must see results from treatment of "leaky gut". C. We must see "leaky gut " clinics with a host of "leaky gut "survivors. D Finally Pro must explain clearly his concept of " secondary phase of the disease process." **************************************** (1) Robert Koch." World of Microbiology and Immunology. Ed. Brenda Wilmoth Lerner and K. Lee Lerner. Detroit: Gale, 2006. Biography In Context. Web. 14 Apr. 2013. (2) http://www.greekmedicine.net... (3) https://www.webmd.com... (4) https://labtestsonline.org... (5) http://ajcn.nutrition.org... (6) https://www.cdc.gov...