Atheist moral judgment on religion have no basis whatsoever.

For my final argument: I apologize if "Atheist ideology" was not the proper term. What I was trying to get at is that all atheist at the very least believe that there is no god, And for me I think that that belief can only lead one path ideologically. 1. In your first second round statement you made the claim that it would OBJECTIVELY better for society if there were less religious doctrines; you also proceeded to give examples of how some religious belief can be detrimental to the advancement of science. Now whether or believe religion to be a hindrance or not to science is a whole other debate but I will argue against objectivity part of your statement: You seem to make the claim that, Objectively speaking, The advancement of science is BETTER for society. Now I personally agree with this sentiment but subjectively speaking, Not everyone cares whether science advances or not, And why should they. What wouldn't matter objectively speaking if science or medicine advanced, What's the big end game. scientist constantly make the point that at some time or another there will be some extinction event, Whether it be by asteroid, The sun burning out or even the eventual death of the universe as a whole. science clearly makes the point that no matter how advance we get there will be an end and so why should any person, Especially atheist, Objectively care about the advancement of any science. 2. In your second statement you try to move away from the term "bad" and say "negative" instead but I find no difference in exchanging either word for the other. You say that killing gays might have a negative effect in the long run because they might add to society, But an argument could be made that people who don't want to "mate" properly and produce offspring are in fact bad for society, There's no way of knowing whether either argument is correct. You give the example of the gay individual, If not killed, Inventing something useful for society but I think that that's the same argument as the one in statement one so I think You can refer to that. As for those who are mistaken to be gay and killed. Subjectively speaking theirs speaking there's still nothing wrong with that, Seeing as criminals are killing innocent people everyday using their one subjective moral values to justify themselves. 3. The way I would argue against your third point is this: If we talk about consistency, Atheist should admit that their basis for morality is purely subjective, And that it is still subjective even if a large group agrees to something being morally right or wrong, They should admit this constantly no matter what. With that said I believe that if atheists were consistent they should look at any religious book, No matter how old or contradictory, As simply a collection of subjective moral views all spelled out for the world to see. I believe that, If atheist were truly consistent, Their reaction to someone one who let's say calls himself a Christian would be "he's illogical" but would be more of "his subjective belief is that fornication this or homosexuality that" and seeing as atheist hold the subjective world view they couldn't objectively say that the bible advocating slavery, Which I don't agree that the bible advocates slavery but let's just say it does for now, Is wrong or unjust. So in short: To atheist religion should be view as nothing more collections of subjective modalities and as such atheist can't have objective moral judgments made against them. I have looked at your expanded on points and will put this down as my main argument: When looking at objectivity we say something is objectively true if no matter the where or when in the universe the answer would still be the same, 1+1 is always 2 ECT. As such, Without being bais, I think the moral objectivity of Christianity could actually be argued seeing as any if not all INTELLECTUAL Christians will tell you that the Christian God is a being OUTSIDE the universe and as such cannot not be subject to it's "in universe objective rules". simply put God is outside the universe where 1+1 =2 so to him the answer objectively can be anything other than two if he wants it to be, But seeing that's how he made this universe, So everything in universe is will always have 1+1=2 objectively every time. Again I thank you for your time and i wish you success in your future encounters