The Velvet Underground Are Simultaneously The Most Underrated and Overrated Band of All Time.

Thanks theLwerd, u've made some decent points. I want to clearly restate my resolution and distinguish it from what my resolution is not. My resolution is that of all the bands that are both overrated and underrated, the velvet underground are the most overrated and underrated simultaneously. I'm sorry if this wasnt entirely clear, i was doing my best. Let see an example. Ex. We could say that the beatles are a band that is both overrated and underrated(if thats possible). In such a case they are massively overrated but just slightly underrated. Now in this situation we have a band that is far more overrated than TVU but not nearly as underrated. So this example does not disprove my resolution. In order to disprove my resolution my opponent must provide an example of a band that is more overrated than TVU and more underrated, At the same time. My resolution is not that of all bands the velvet underground are the most overrated band and that of all bands they're most underrated band.< My opponent seems to have realized this so we're good. 1. Sure there is. I can show that masses of people think that TVU are amazing and that masses think they are not. And that the degree of their opinions in both directions is greater than any other band. 2. This proves my case that they are underrated. Although most of their fans are young ppl. This opinion of yours depends largely on what geographical location that you reside in. 3. Most of your sources are unreliable. Anyone can create a webpage or write an article of who they believe to be the most overrated bands and get it tagged as the first result in google. All you need to do is put ur link on tons of other sites. Websites do this all the time. If we are going to use sources, and we should, then we need to use appropriate sources. Now since we are debating what is over/underrated we need to know what masses of people think not necessarily what individuals who own websites think. Therefore we need to use music databases that have democratic methods of rating musicians. That is to say, the people themselves decide the rankings of each artist. Rateyourmusic.com is one of the largest of such databases in the world. TVU's first album is ranked (by users, thats important) number 1 for 1967 and number 4 of all time, including classical. SOURCES : http://rateyourmusic.com... http://rateyourmusic.com... http://rateyourmusic.com... All of their albums received 5 stars according to AMG http://www.allmusic.com... http://www.allmusic.com... http://www.allmusic.com... and here are more sources from news articles: http://www.nme.com... http://www.guardian.co.uk... http://www.time.com... http://www.besteveralbums.com... http://www.ditto.net... http://www.rhino.com... http://www.jackfeenyreviews.com... http://www.myguitarsolo.com... http://www.bbc.co.uk... All the links above show that TVU is highly Highly rated as being at the top all these lists. Among both professional music critics and the general populous. B/c they are so widely, highly rated i conclude that they are overrated. To quote one music critic "For me, it's hard to imagine what rock and roll would be like had there been no Velvet Underground. In my opinion, the band's music is even more important than that of the Beatles. And may I remind you, that I am a great Beatles fan as well." http://www.popmatters.com... i think that its fair to say that they are very overrated ppl. They are amazing, but not that amazing. Now I will show that they are underrated. Allow me to quote the opening lines from the BBC article linked above:" "Brian Eno once stated that, despite hardly anyone buying this album on its release, everyone that did buy it seemed to have formed a band. Ladies and gentlemen, we are talking about one of the three most influential albums of all time (what are the other two? You work it out, dear reader). Without this slice of plastic there would have been no glam rock, no krautrock and no punk." When they first appeared they didn't rise above 171 on the billboard charts. http://www.allmusic.com... Now they are ranked 13 according to rolling stone. (see link above.) http://blogcritics.org... they were an astonishingly unsuccessful band. Further evidence that they are vastly underrated comes from a point that my opponent makes herself. Namely that so few people have ever heard of them. (point two) Lets look at the ramones shall we. Here is a band that wouldn't even exist without TVU. Perhaps they were never as mainstream as say zeppelin, hendrix or the beatles but they still had/have a wider audience than TVU. Unbeknownst to many of the hendrix and halen fans on this website there is actually much more to the history of rock and roll than just the mainstream bands. There is an entire universe of underground bands headed by TVU. In the history of the underground no band (except nirvana) has entered the mainstream more than the Ramones. They were basically a pop band that used punk riffs. (barely what i would consider punk at all.) The Ramones are much more famous with the masses than TVU for this reason they are NOT more underrated then them. 4.) I agree with your analysis but that doesn't actualy refute my resolution. 5.) I could address each band separately but i don't have sufficient characters and it would be unnecessary. All the examples you chose do NOT provide for a band that is more overrated than TVU and more underrated, At the same time. Sure we can accept that those bands are overrated and underrated. Some might be more overrated than TVU. None are more underrated however b/c they were all vastly more successful. Therefore you haven't disproven my resolution. As you must provide a band that is more overrated and more underrated. Conclusion. I have establish fair grounds for my resolution. For my opponent to prove me wrong she must provide an example of one band that is simultaneously more overrated and more underrated.