L_M Classic (UTW Tournament) Grand Finale. Feverish V Puck

A1. "Sentry's powers are practically limitless" Again Feverish wishes to play the ‘most powerful guy in the Universe' card. Two main issues with this. The first is the clear illegality of the character - the second, narration of potentiality isn't a power level. Marvel themselves obviously don't agree with the claim either - otherwise we would see a much more impressive stat line than is the case. The ‘official Marvel Sentry' is a legitimate character, backed by legitimate feats, measured at a legitimate level. It's a singularly unimpressive arrangement of ability and limits Feverish can not back up. Stating ‘I am God' doesn't make me so. Having my friend confirm it, doesn't make it any better. "No, the researcher who compiled the power grid may side with you but the writers and the content of the comics themselves seem to agree with me." The wiki is constructed from Marvel themselves, from *comics Sentry is in*. If it was so there should be abundant imagery and rhetoric from comics themselves to back Feverish up. This isn't the case. Feverish is arguing that the writers are in essence ‘leaving out the important stuff' - problem being he hasn't shown any of this to be the case and if it is the case it prohibits Sentry from the tournament level. Sentry as defined from Marvel is tournament legal, clearly not street level and has abundant powers and I don't have an issue with that at all. The problem is the amorphous, I am godly, Sentry that Feverish wishes to use. Sentries speed: There is a reason I had no issue linking it in the prior round. "This shows that his speed **during inter-stellar travels** is several times in excess of the speed of light" We are on Earth, Sentry has limited speed whilst on Earth. A claim otherwise I call no limits fallacy on. It is *specifically* noted that it is *limited* to interstellar speed, and unless Feverish can show otherwise that's where it is limited to (speeds were they true on Earth would be demonstrated on Earth - they are not; it's not an empty claim that he is limited in this regard). We can see this equally with the power grid itself and his speed of 5 (7 would be > light). "Interestingly, Puck seems to invalidate his own arguments about Sentry's power level" Not in the least. As I explained, the official Marvel stats and bio show him not to be the power level Feverish wishes him to be. The argument is, if Feverish's case was true, then it is also true that it is a banned level entity; not, that Sentry is that powerful, therefore he is banned level. My argument is that Sentry is not that powerful. Marvel agrees. "Puck is clinging onto the power grid reference that understates Sentry's powers, but he knows as well as I do that Sentry is insanely powerful and reveals his true opinion of the character here." Incorrect. Nowhere have I agreed with Feverish's interpretation of Sentry, nor have I implicitly done so. See above. "There is no power level basis on which to disqualify Sentry." Correct there isn't there is no explicit list which is considered banned level. We do however have clear levels from *whom* is banned. Galactus for example, and Feverish himself claimed he is the equal of Galactus. "Although it has been suggested that Sentry is more powerful than the seemingly omnipotent Molecule Man, as he can't fully control his powers that contradicts the whole 'all powerful' concept of omnipotence." Power level is the issue not ones control of it. And Feverish specifically states Sentry has control of his power to be able to *lose control* as per the initial attack. Contradicts his prior assertion above, too. Omnipotence is clearly not the defining factor given the actual banned list. "Yraelz made it all the way to the semis pulling power moves with Sentry." I am not here to debate all of Yraelz's rounds nor analyse any mistakes his competitors made - his arguments are not Feverish's to shortcut simply by virtue of ‘Yraelz made them'. A2. Beast has grabbed Spiral. Beast is talking. Next panel, Spiral is gone. There is no transition. Note Feverish ignores the Deadpool link showing the exact same style of time that occurs between panels - panel 1 no action, panel 2 action has occurred and the time frame is action between panels i.e near instant. "teleporting a group being a very different matter from teleporting just oneself." The image is in the initial set - a group teleport that occurs within ‘a blur of motion'. Spiral is the result of constant body modification- she has above human senses, agility and speed. http://www.comicvine.com... - Super speed is distinct from teleport as list of abilities. "Spiral is forced to engage her opponent before she has time to teleport." Rogue intercepts Spiral who had just thrown down another character. Between Rogue throwing the punch and it landing, Spiral has teleported. Again there is no indication of preparation. "she will need to take note of her team-mates location ... other factors such as their bodyweight." Until shown as a requisite, then no. Her source of powers are tech/magic, so I'm not sure why body weight is an issue. Team's location is known to her, she is on the team after all. "She will also need to locate and select a suitable "secure location" to teleport to, all before she activates her ability." Spiral's teleports occur along the webway - a superimposed dimension on ‘normal space' that allows her to travel anywhere - it's also why teleports to and from are instantaneous - it's not that the teleport is instant as is, she travels along the webway which is timeless and exits into the normal world (hence instant teleport). Plenty of time for either Sage or Engineer to choose a location, (or herself). "All this will certainly not be accomplished instantaneously" See above. B1. Unrelated to Sentry attacking - it is my teams setup in a new location. B2. I quoted the exact relevant text from Feverish's source as asked - a pdf reader should have a search function. The quotes indicate a set of vulnerabilities that my team takes full advantage of. "Any fear Monkey has for his precious hairs getting burnt should be overridden by his ultimate loyalty to me." You use the character, Monkey. Using Monkey against ‘this is Monkey' is relevant. Monkey does not gain new thoughts simply because he exists in this debate, just like Sentry doesn't become emotionally stable because he has "ultimate loyalty". Whether, Monkey uses the hairs or not, they will burn if they are used. "The Slave 1 attack was scheduled for the very start of the battle." Only relevant under the condition Engineer dies - Feverish concedes as much below that she doesn't. If the ship is in play, to be active, it is vulnerable to Engineer, no matter where she is, whether in his time line or mine. Nanites, can and will destroy the ship. B3. "I would like to know where I stated that "in the event of Sinister vs. Spawn, Spawn has lost." From R2: "Sinister is certainly capable of mind wiping Spawn" "I explained how Spawn's speed and power would be far too much for Sinister." Specifically it was that Sinister would need to have control of Spawn. See R2 psychic plane arguments. B4. I assume that if judges deem that time line accurate then his team is finished. C1. Magic =/= psychic, and that feat is strength based. Again, show that solar > psychic. "I can only assume that he acknowledges their obliteration" Both Sinister and Engineer are capable of shielding the entire team. If Sentry hits he is blocked, teleport occurs. DP and Sage would be adequate to the task even so. http://img686.imageshack.us... http://img651.imageshack.us... http://img707.imageshack.us... http://img337.imageshack.us... C2. Ignored.