Muhammad raped Aisha

i shall refute my opponent line by line with the exclusion of lines that are nothing but insults. viewers should bear with his hate and lack of manners //In my introduction I clearly stated that rape can be defined in so many ways. Giving us the definition from your own source does not make yours sancrosant or authoritative. The most important aspect of rape is CONSENT// my response you do not give any definition. i gave a definition from the owners of the language of the language we are communicating with. you have no place in telling us what rape is and what it is not. My source is encarta dictionary and its not "my" source for it is a academic general and popular source. CONSENT of sex between two couples is a ridiculous question unless an evidence is established. you cant be asking married people around if their sex is mutual agreement because it is agreement that brought together in the first place. so the pro shot himself in the leg because it can be said that he has not provided any evidence that Aisha was raped by his husband. the hadith brought forward can not be tenable to sue anybody. //Arab year is lunar, which is shorter than solar year.// my response you will do better in your maths to make any point from here. the lunar calendar has 12 months like the the solar. the pro kept repeating that aisha's did not consent to her marriage, but i wonder where he got this from. WAS THERE AN EVIDENCE THAT AISHA WAS DEAF AND DUMB WHEN SHE GOT MARRIED? IS THE PRO SAYING THAT ALL THE MARRIAGES WHERE THE BRIDE IS YOUNG IS RAPE? is this the definition of rape? The minimum age for marriage in the US-State of Delaware in year 1895 was 7. were all the men that married legally during this time rapists? i asked about the how the pro makes his moral judgement but he is afraid to answer because he does not understand common sense. we dont expect you to base your judgement on what you think because you are nobody to make moral judgement. i suggested (and i am right) that the pro makes his judgement with his religion where he learnt ethics and here is what we found. Mary, who is the mother of his god got impregnated by holy spirit between the ages of 11 and 14. Joseph (her husband) was as old as 99 when he married Mary when she was in the age range above (http://www.newadvent.org...),. is the pro saying the holy spirit is a rapist or mary had no clue what was going on in her life? Aisha's parents were the ones who married her to our Prophet as no evidence says contrary, and that no Muslim or even pagan objected to the marriage because it was widely practiced. And even until today in 3rd world countries (Muslims and non-Muslims), little girls as young as 9 or 10 do get married. so what is the pro's issue? is it that he lacks historical knowledge or he is just angry? her is an hadith the pro once misquoted Narrated Aisha: "The Prophet engaged me when I was a girl of six (years). We went to Medina and stayed at the home of Bani-al-Harith bin Khazraj. Then I got ill and my hair fell down. Later on my hair grew (again) and my mother, Um Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends. She called me, and I went to her, not knowing what she wanted to do to me. She caught me by the hand and made me stand at the door of the house. I was breathless then, and when my breathing became Alright, she took some water and rubbed my face and head with it. Then she took me into the house. There in the house I saw some ANSARI WOMEN who said, "Best wishes and Allah's Blessing and a good luck." Then she entrusted me to them and they prepared me (for the marriage). Unexpectedly Allah's Apostle came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine years of age. (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Merits of the Helpers in Madinah (Ansaar), Volume 5, Book 58, Number 234)" Notice here that Aisha's mother and the Muslim women back then were ok with her marriage. the marriage is public and no one will ever say rape, or forced marriage is involved. POINT 2:the pro wrote from the doll hadith Please NOTE: Narrated 'Aisha: I used to play with the dolls in the presence of the Prophet. REBUTTAL: The pro wants us to note the narration of Aisha and I also want readers to note the word "USED". --------------------------- USED: Main Entry:used to Pronunciation:\"y"sd. sometimes"y"z pronunc attoFunction:adverb Etymology: fr. the verb phrase used to,fr.used,past of2use to,function word normally indicating that the following verb is an infinitive dial: formerly, once http://www.merriam-webster.com....... The words my opponent wants us to note signify that "AISHA WAS NARRATING WHAT SHE USED TO DO[playing with dolls]". Furthermore,the words my opponent wants us to note shows that Aisha remembers what she used to do when she was young.now,some questions arise,for example: #.WHICH IS EASIER TO REMEMBER,RAPE OR PLAYING WITH DOLLS? #.WHY DIDN'T AISHA REPORT BEING RAPED? If aisha was raped,we should be seeing something like this in the hadiths: Narrated aisha:the prophet raped me when I was nine,OR: Narrated aisha:the prophet had sex with me without my consent. BUT WE FIND NONE OF THOSE REPORTS IN THE HADITH!! To explain further,if Aisha can vividly remember playing with dolls then she should be able to report being raped by the prophet whereas she never said she was raped. The pro makes me to wonder why someone will cry for another person's headache.if aisha never complained of being raped,why should the pro accuse the prophet of raping aisha when no single record shows the prophet raped her. Lest I forget,I will like to inform the pro to understand a topic before he ventures in to support it as the pro was busy arguing for under aged marriage and pedophilia [which we can discuss in another debate] instead of showing us how the prophet raped aisha according to the definition used to describe rape. pro wrote: //Arabs were a primitive lot with little rules to abide. Yet they had some code of ethics that they honored scrupulously. For example, although they fought all the year round, they abstained from hostilities during certain holy months of the year. They also considered Mecca to be a holy city and did not make war against it. A adopted son"s wife was deemed to be a daughter in law and they would not marry her. Also it was customary that close friends made a pact of brotherhood and considered each other as true brothers. The Prophet disregarded all of these rules anytime they stood between him and his interests or whims.// 1: the pro is in no position to bring in the culture or history of arabs without reference 2: Muhammed is a muslims, he shall not be judged by mere (jaliyyah laws. arab ignorance) law 3: this has nothing to do with the topic. it is now not common silly when the pro is comparing a brother in religion with blood brothers. Narrated Ursa The Prophet asked Abu Bakr for 'Aisha's hand in marriage. Abu Bakr said "But I am your brother." The Prophet said, "You are my brother in Allah's religion and His Book, but she (Aisha) is lawful for me to marry." sahih Al-Bukhari Hadith Sahih Bukhari V.7, B62, N. 37 Narrated Ibn 'Abbas: It was said to the Prophet, "Won't you marry the daughter of Hamza?" He said, "She is my foster niece (brother's daughter). " the pro should note that common sense is important in debate. asking if an husband has raped his wife within marriage becomes a nonsensical question over and over. just like have stated, aisha, when she was young, old and after the death of muhammed never brought up being raped yet she beats a lot of men in the reportage of the prophet (hadith narrations) and here is how my opponent answerd to my question which makes me really want to know his age or whether he is joking around. You asked " #.WHERE WAS AISHA RAPED? #.HOW DID SHE GET TO WHERE SHE WAS RAPED? #.WHERE WAS HER FATHER WHEN SHE WAS RAPED? # WHEN SHE GOT TO BE A WOMAN, WE EXPECT SHE MAKES A MOVE ON THE CRIME, WHAT WAS HER MOVE? #.WHEN A 9YR OLD GIRL WAS RAPED,WHAT ACTION WAS TAKEN BY HER FATHER?" I will give you answer to all these bunkum questions of yours. Honestly your logic appalls me. //1. She was raped in Muhammad's house// common sense will seek for evidence here and that is what i asked //2.Muhammad married her. So she got to Muhammad's house because of the marriage//. this is wrongful accusation. if i ask how did your father raped your mother, you wont say it is because they were both married //3.Her father was not there since she was living with Muhammad after marrying her. Did you expect her father to be present while Muhammad was doing it? Ridiculous!// her father was not there, thought he and the rapist lived in the same time and space yet, you from 2000 years later know she was raped. how can this be a debate please? //4.Before she could become a woman Muhammad was already dead through poisoning.// which Muhammed are u talking here? are we still discussing prophet muhammed, or you already switched to your family member that died of poison? this question is not answered at all. //5.Her father didn't do anything. Why? He believed Muhammad was a true messenger of God acting according to Allah's order. That was why I called him fool previously!// here is another insult. if it is ok to insult people respected by the opponent, i could have being calling jehovah that impregnated mary when she was 12 terrible name. this is childish CONSENT where is the evidence that aisha did not consent to her marriage? is it normal to ask a lady that never complained about her marriage whether she consent to her marriage? no. how do we know where a lady consent to her marriage? we provide evidence!. so the pro need to prove to us that aisha did not consent to her marriage. in my conclusion, reading through the pro's arguments, it feels like watching a teenager running around pants down in broad daylight. it insults