jesus was a liar, a fraud, was clearly insane, not the messiah, told you to get rid of your family

"I am by no means an expert on the Bible" Well then in you being uneducated in your bible, you should have not accepted this debate. Nor should you believe in your god, christ, bible and religion. That"s because you have no cause. "so all I can give is things I've learned and some guesswork." Damn right. And because of it, this debate is going to be an instant slaughterhouse even though you showed A LOT of intelligence and an education in which is super highly appreciated, unlike most. However, let this be a lesson to you to not become involved with ANYTHING unless you know damn well sure that you 100% know what you are talking about and present rock solid evidence for it. Because if you don"t, your teachers will give you an instant F and not even think twice. Also if its guesswork as you say, then your friends and loved ones will walk away from you instantly and not even think twice especially if you present "guesswork" and not actual evidence. "I would first like to start off by saying that the Bible would be over 10 times longer"" Well I"ve been doing this for 42+ years and have talked with roughly 22,000 on this subject and you are the only one who gets it, because in reason, your god would not use text IN THE FIRST PLACE because of that reasoning + many other reasons as text is the worst form of communication possible in which your god would ---never --- use if remotely intelligent, and your god clearly is not. You just proved it. There would simply be too much to say. And the people who hanged around with this supposed jesus who in which there"s no proof of his existence, just like your god, could not read or write in the first place. So everything was based on memory as far as what this supposed jesus said in your bible, and memory is always unreliable. That"s yet another reason why your god would not rely on text. There"s so so so many reasons. "Jesus is the son of God...he doesn't need to God to say that he has permission to call himself the savior as the permission has already been granted as soon as Jesus was created." You didn"t read section 1. At all go back and read it. Sheesh. So I shall repeat it SINCE YOU CAN"T READ just like so so so many typical christians who call themselves christians, but are really not. *Proverbs 30:5 "Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him." *Isaiah 40:8 "The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: but the word of our God shall stand for ever." *2 Timothy 3:16 "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:" *Psalm 19:7 "The law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the Lord is sure, making wise the simple." In other words god"s word is PERFECT. It cannot be changed by anyone or anything. Christ, being the lowly drab that he supposedly was in which like god who in which nobody can even prove has ever existed could---not---change---god"s---laws---because---god"s---word---is---PERFECT---and---cannot---be---changed. Got it? Oh yeah supposed christians also change the bible with countless updates, including changing WHAT GOD AND JESUS SAID for christ sake which never works, to suit their wants needs and desires. I will further add to that, that CHRIST WAS NOT GOD. "You've said "suppose christ existed, he was clearly insane". There are a few problems with this," There are no problems with this, if you believe in your christ according to your bible. "the first being that the Bible was either written by people who were inspired by God or written by people who were lunatics." Well then by that statement you cannot even prove that your christ has ---ever--- existed and most certainly that ---EVERYTHING--- stated by him in YOUR bible was stated by lunatics, therefore your christ was completely insane and a lunatic. "The second one is that if the Bible is written by people who were told what to write," Yes, that"s memory, which is 100% unreliable. "god wouldn't have told them to write about some crazy insane man." Well god is clearly insane himself. After all he hates children, and you are a child, so hates you, but then again you haven"t read your bible, in which is the only outlet you have to your god. "The third problem is that Jesus either existed or didn't. Again, God wouldn't have had people write about some insane man even if he did or didn't exist." WRONG. It only proves how insane your god was. Do you really think its sane to create someone to deliberately suffer and die on the cross and tell everybody about a fictitious "hell" and that the only way to get to heaven is to believe in this christ especially if a person rapes 6 five year old girls, tortures them, cuts their fingers off, cannibalizes them and then suddenly finds this make believe jesus and because of this he will get to heaven? Oh but wait, because I will refuse to not believe in this jesus, and rightly so, I will never get to heaven and be sent to hell. Now which scenario of the two presented is correct? And what can anyone possibly learn about suffering? Especially children who are being raped by daddy who punches them in the face for 15 years starting off at the age of 4 all the way up until 17 sometimes twice per week? Or what about a child who is reaped so bad by daddy that her anus turned into her vagina? What can she learn about suffering? And YOUR god creates millions of children KNOWINGLY DELIBERATELY to suffer per year. Your god is sick, demented, and diseased. Oh and oh yeah, your christ teaches the beginning of suffering. Buddhism teaches the end of suffering. Gee, gosh golly, I just cannot possibly imagine which one I will choose. "Jesus said to give up your families and follow him to show the dedication that you had and leave your old life that was full of sin behind." You are full of s--t. OK then give up your family RIGHT NOW and go follow this jesus to prove your dedication to him. And in the meantime give up all of your possessions as well. ALL OF YOUR POSSESSIONS. "That's what I believe he's trying to say at least." See only the completely insane people of the earth would do exactly that unless there is severe abuse in the household. And WHAT would you follow? You cannot even prove that this christ exists!!!!!! So you would move to the desert and follow air. "And some people WOULD give up their families whether they believed him or not." And where and who are they? "I know if I had the option to, I would leave my family whether the guy was insane or not lol." Well then go right ahead and you do it. Put up or shut up. "Your calculation of "0%" is incorrect." Actually its 100% correct. Because how can you follow a concept/ and or configuration that"s never been tested, declared, or demonstrated to be true? Especially which translation of the bible would you use? Would you follow it to the EXACT detail? Of course not. What about the Swahili version. Perhaps that"s a better translation you should follow. "There also doesn't need to be abuse." Well you"d only be totally insane to 100% give up your family if there was not abuse. Neglect and to be ignored IS the worst form of child abuse that there is. YOUR god is 100% guilty of that which proves that he hates children among a good 30 or more truly hateful truly evil and vile verses.. To prove that children in his bible do not get to say but a few sentences, if that in his bible. They don"t get to sing songs, speak their minds etc. Their mouths are literally glued shut for the entire bible. Also the entire bible is based on god"s and jesus"s frail fragile precious superior ego complex and nothing else. Hey the 10 commandments 4 of them are based on god"s boastering blubbering blank big black bile superior ego complex. And there"s NOTHING about children when there certainly MUST be something like " thou shalt always honor and protect children and never cause any harm unto them." But nah. This god of your is more concerned with his oafine fat blubbering self. "There could also be neglect or just overall a terrible environment for someone to live in." But if there"s love, you wouldn"t give up your family. "Christ also said to give up possessions for the same reason:" No. christ said you MUST give up all ALL of your possessions and follow him. No exceptions. None. Read the verses again. "You wouldn't give your possessions up for something you didn't think was real, right?" Of course not. That"s why christ either doesn"t exist or he"s completely insane. The same is 100% true for your god. "Overall, it comes down to Jesus was real and truly was the Messiah or didn't exist at all and is a fairy tale." Or he existed and wasn"t the messiah. And because people are remarkably insecure, like you, you MUST lay balme somewhere to find security somewhere else to gain a self esteem that you don"t have and need from the outside because you are unable to look inward and find yourself to who you are as so so so many are. "There's no reason to have a story of a crazy lunatic that many different people of different times wrote about that was said to be "God-inspired"." Oh absolutely 100% true and that"s the position of an atheist. "Not all of the Bible makes sense which is why Christians call it "faith"; you need to believe it happened whether it seems ridiculous or not." Well faith is NOT a pathway to truth. Faith after all exists in ---every--- religion. So prove every other religion false. If you are a christian and you do not do so, then you are not being truthful. "Faith is the reason people give when they don"t have evidence." Matt Dillahunty and he"s 100% correct. Well once again many thanx for being intelligent and thinking with an education, unlike nearly every single so-called christian here on debate.org who are not christians. So send your next argument!