The Quran is from God

R1 That "Strawman" was based on the assumption that you had an argument, but you obviously don't. Some people interrupt science and claim the earth is flat and hollow. So what does that prove? I will assume that there is a typo and that you do not actually believe in geocentricity. You have not pointed any scientific contradiction for me to respond, nor do I see any scientific contradiction. http://quran.com... And it is He who created the night and the day and the sun and the moon; all [heavenly bodies] in an orbit are swimming. Notice that the verses never used "They both" they used "All" referring to celestial bodies, which makes your argument meaningless. http://quran.com... And the sun runs [on course] toward its stopping point. That is the determination of the Exalted in Might, the Knowing. The above verse talks about the sun's individual orbit. See any geocentricity? And in case you did not get the memo, mountains are part of the earth, the most obvious to us. When the verse said "Thinking" it means our concept is false and the reality is that the earth is moving. And why did you cut the verse? [It is] the work of Allah , who perfected all things. Indeed, He is Acquainted with that which you do (Quran 27:88) The last part of the verse clearly states that it is a natural law Allah has engineered, thus happens constantly. I'd almost say you are cherry picking. And you know what? The tafsir is pardoned. We are humans after all and they had limited scientific knowledge back then. Notice that the verse is talking directly to the reader, while verses talking about the hour don't which further points that it is a continuous process. http://quran.com... He created the heavens and earth in truth. He wraps the night over the day and wraps the day over the night Time covering time is meaningless. So what we can understand is the night covers the ground of day, and day covers the ground of night, and they happen constantly which means happen in the same time. And that is not possible in a geocentric model. Need more proof? http://quran.com... He covers the night with the day, [another night] chasing it rapidly http://quran.com... You cause the night to enter the day, and You cause the day to enter the night; Again, it refers to the ground affected by day & night. Therefore the above verse states the earth is round and is spinning. R2 Do you have any objection on the fact that we can ride horses? The vast majority of large animals can't be domesticated. Horses served humanity throughout history, and we rode them. Allah created them for us to ride them. Go tell someone horses are not fit to be ridden. Maybe in a universe where we have to add enhancement through surgery to ride them. R3 You are correct. There are different interruptions of layers, multiple layers may be considered one layer. But you created a strawman as the Quran's criteria is "Protective layer that surrounds earth and serve different functions", so the Magnetosphere definitely serves the criteria as it is a layer that surrounds earth and protects us from solar flares. Since interruptions can differ, what you need to do is prove that the layers fitting the criteria are defiantly less than seven layers. R4 You added nothing new and I have already stated my point. Leave it for the voters if you want. As I will ignore my opponent"s soft admition. My opponent have resorted to an "Unprovable" philosophic question in order to rebut the miracles. Kind of funny. Yes, I proudly plead guilty to the accusation that I will use the argument from ignorance, but before I elaborate" Philosophy can be used to create mind games, although amusing, they are futile. 1+1=2, every sane person agrees with this statement. But when stubbornness comes with philosophy, even Aristol and Pascal cannot prove it. Is the one an absolute integer? Are the ones perfectly equal to each other? What is the definition of "Plus" since it can have many interruptions? Does the equal sign just spew perfect answers without approximation? It is based on: "Hey! I can think of (countless) alternative scenarios!" The answer is crystal clear, and using this in a serious debate about something not directly about philosophy is time wasting. Despite the common misconception, the argument of ignorance is not always a logical fallacy. [1] Otherwise, no one would need burden of proof. It becomes a fallacy when used against something that is logically sound. However, I fail to find logic or facts behind aliens sending the Quran, therefore that whole burden of proof is on you. "Unprovable" philosophic puzzles usually have to do with our concept of reality or infinite paradoxes. Here are some examples I want you to answer without using God, do they mean that our lives are based on irrationality and blind faith? 1-Can you prove that the world is materialistic? Couldn't life be a long lucid dream? If you dream of being a butterfly and woke up, how do you know you are not actually a butterfly having a long dream? How do we define realistic in a dream world? Could we prove that objects still exist if we don't sense them? 2- Can you prove in a logical argument that the sun is going to raise tomorrow? (Meaning no logical fallacies like induction) 3- I have a mind and free will because I am conscious, but isn't it possible for me to be the only conscious mind in the universe and people around me are intelligent puppets? Nebula I am glad you agree that Nebulas create suns and planets, but am I seeing a fallacy? I"ll play along. Big Bang See = Realize, figurative speech 101. "They cannot see the big bang"" Good one! And make up your mind. Was the earth and heavens one object or not? And please educate yourself. The universe IS a mesh. http://www.lsw.uni-heidelberg.de... http://hipacc.ucsc.edu... By the heaven containing pathways, (Quran 51:7) Literal translation: Weaves. http://www.almaany.com... It is like you disagree for the sake of disagreeing. The water rebut is based on assumptions, thus not worth answering. And if the Arabs knew the exact number of days per year, why didn"t they use that calender? In fact, Arabs did not use a numeric calendar. They named years based on events that happened. So prove how that calculation could happen before the lunar or the solar calendars were invented. What you said about lightning is nothing but laughable. It happens in the blink of an eye like the Hadith said. [2] What? Do mythologies say Zeus sucks lightning? R1 Except the fact that Mohammad never said poetry in his life. The revelations stopped for months, and the thought of suicide crossed his mind because he thought God have abandoned him and because his tribe was making fun of him. Why would someone who wants to gain following do such thing? Until this revelation came: http://quran.com... And why would someone who was called "The honest and trustworthy" suddenly decide to create one the biggest lie? A lie he materialistically gained nothing from. R2 You ignored my argument. The Quran is not a novel. Elaborated more here: http://www.protectedpearls.com... R3 Wikiislam have some of the worst arguments I have ever read. http://www.mostmerciful.com... 1: http://www.islamic-awareness.org... 2:Hadiths were written at the time of Mohammad. The reason a hadith book written hundreds of years became popular is because it used categorizes, meaning research would be much more easier. http://www.islamic-awareness.org... 3:That is why they were invented. Explain how the discrepancy can become widespread. [1] http://www.fallacyfiles.org... [2] http://www.scribd.com... *For some reason I can't use RTF. *Used links to conserve characters. All is fair game.