Gay couples should be allowed to adopt children.

Lwerd- #1 That is one of the most utmost ridiculous things I've never heard. "parents have no long term affect on their childrens personalities". Okay, so your saying someone who's been abused their whole childhood, is growing to grow up happy and healthy? Children learn everything from their parents. If something is okay for their parents to do, then it is just as reasonable for them to do, in their eyes. Another proof of flawed sources. Next as a response to my quote on gays can provide for a child equally, you responded your answer was "absolutley yes!" So my opponent thinks being provided for, is an alternative that makes up for good parenting. I think that insinuation is wrong. Lwerd- " Again, Con seems to think that this is "unfair" to the child because they may be uncomfortable with their parent's sexuality. However, the child really has no say in their parent's sexuality! This is true of every child, and no different from a presumably straight parent suddenly coming out of the closet." Didn't you yourself say that you were againt parents coming out of the closet later on in the relationship? After saying that i would presumably say its fairly accurate to use the term "unfair". Lwerd- "Does this parent lose custody of the child? No. Instead, this is something that the child would have to get over and deal with, the same way parents with homosexual children are often uncomfortable or disappointed with this reality, but likewise there is nothing they can do but get over with it and/or deal with it." How can anyone use the term "get over with" and "deal with" in the same statement regarding a childs feelings? That is not much from saying a child who just had a death in their family, should just "deal with it". However obviously that would affect the child, for the rest of their life. now to the third segmant, of arguement one. Lwerd- "One's sexuality cannot be helped" I do not nessicarily agree with that, however that does not comply with adoption. "When the child is 18, they have the option of abandoning their parents the same way every parent/child has that same option once that magical age is reached" Again, it is horrible to use a child's negative upbringing, as something they have no choice to go through. "Additionally, I'd argue that living with two gay parents is much preferable than living in an orphanage. If an orphaned child were of a reasonable age to make this choice, at the very least this should be an option given to them" Yes i agree with this statement. As i have said before, if the child so chooses, and is mature enough to what they are choosing into, then their is really no problem with them going into this situation. However, If this was legalized, i am sure that would not be the case. Lwerd- #2 Basically in this argument, you have just said, virtually the same thing you have said in the previous two. All we're going with this is i'm right, your wrong. You say I have no evidence on this? Well you have in no way proved that my argument was wrong either. I've already re-taliated the republican qoute, which was instantly dropped from the arguement. Basically my opponent just jumps to the conclusion at the end there, that i am a stereotypical freak, without offering anything backing the statement up. Lwerd- #3 Okay, I'll tell you how i know personally that living in a gay enviroment is detrimental to a child psyche. A friend, who is quite close to me, lives with two lesbian parents. They are harsh on him. If he does anything lower than what his parents expect him to, he is punished. His punishments are severe, such as no food for a day. Or, how horrible is it, that a kid, at seventeen years old, is literally hit with a stick? And yes, i'm sure you would argue that this is just one situation. Or maybe it would sound like you even argue that he should just suck it up and 'deal' with it. But the truth is, no matter how you argue, gay couples have a tendency to be far more abusive than regular parents. You need FACTS to prove your theories, but i have personally seen what it is like to live this way. And yes, they may EXCEL, because they are too scared and insecure, to not. Lwerd- #4 I remain that gay adoption is bad, clearly for the child development reasons. What a gay person does does not matter to me, until it infringes upon the rights of another. In this case it's the rights of the child. I am for a child getting the proper parenting they need no matter what the circumstance. However, I believe that proper parenting can come better from a straight couple then a gay couple. Again my opponent assumes I have no evidence to supprt that straight parenting is better. My question how have i not? My main points being, #1 the child adapts more to a straight couple, then a gay couple, #2 Gay parents tend to be more abusive #3 the child may be bullied at school, or get treated un-properly against their will. (this argument has been fairly avoided might i add) Yes, all children need homes, but they need homes that will treat them properly and allow them to grow up to have a life they deserve! Lwerd-#5/6 theLwerde was instantly biased against my source being a professional opinion, because the researcher was catholic. That makes no sense what-so-ever. I bet if you researched half of the scientif sources, you would find that they belong to some kind of religion also. So what? Does that mean everything they say is balogne? No because it is still their "opinion" no matter what the circumstance. That is why debates such as these, can't have sources relating to anyones personal opinion. TheLWerd's so called facts, are all just opinions as well. Lwerd- " I'd like to say in conclusion, however, that I don't think it's fair that Con presumes I will win based on popular opinion. That assumption is unfair both to me and the readers/voters. I stand by my performance and arguments in this debate" I did not take this debate to win, i took it for my own entertainment and practice for college debate. But, you and i both know that most voters, hardly read the debate in which they vote on. And seeing that i am still fairly new to this site, whereas you have been around a while and have more friends on the site, i would say it is fairly accurate to say to hold popular demand. I would like to thankyou for challenging me to this debate, it was fun, and kept me busy. Sorry for any and all negativities that may have been taken wrongly during the debating stage. I would like to debate you again sometime, you are wise, and use your logic well. :-) -Philosophical