DDO is a better debate site than Edeb8

IntroductionBecause of the rules, in this last round, I will present a defense of my case.Defense of Pro's case1. PopularityCon accepted that popularity is an important criteria in a debate because a site "needs to be popular enough to attract enough people to debate, and good quality debaters".Then he claims that both sites meet this criteria and a differentiation is not necessary making this point irrelevantCon's arguments for this are (1) that one debater having several debates is not necessary, (2) that debate clubs have around 10 to 15 members and (3) that you can challenge members of another online debate site.(1) The point of popularity is not meant to be an attack to how many debates you can have at the same time, but how fast you can get to debate a topic you want and with different opponents that have different styles and levels.If you want to debate an unpopular topic, having an small pool of debaters will reduce the possibilities of debating that topic. And sure, maybe "admin" or Con, "Nzlockie", may be willing to accept any topic, but the point is that there is not enough debaters to fulfill the 2 criteria mentioned. Let's check the debates in Edeb8There are 7 debates that are in progress right now. [1]If we don't count the debate without title I can't access and read, we are left with 6 debates.All those 6 debates have 1 debater in common, the debater that was mentioned by Con in his last round. This is already against the second criteria of having different opponentsIf we check the dates, we can see that 3 of those debates started one month ago. The rest started 15 days ago, 8 days ago and 3 days ago. This and the fact that there are 0 open challenges right now shows that there is not enough debates. if you wanted to debate right now, you would have to know the other debaters and if you were new on online debating you would have a really hard time.If we compare this to the 10 debates in progress in the last hour only [2] and 22 open challenges [3], it's clear that you will not have any problem finding a debate against people of your skill, the topics you love, and very fast. (2) Here Con compares the debating sites with debate clubs. But debating sites ARE NOT debating clubs. As a matter of fact, in DDO, there were some clubs created with 10 to 15 expected members per club. [4][5][6][7][8]The idea of those clubs is to have debaters with related interests share thoughts, practice debating and create discussions.And we can't compare a debating site with a debating club. In a debating site, you may debate only the topics you want. That and the fact that more debaters mean more range on levels and more opportunity to the new comers gives the advantage to DDO.(3) Challenging debaters of other sites doesn't solve the problems. Again, new comers will still find problems and the fact that you would not need more than DDO to start debating is good for DDO.So my contention is that right now, ONLY DDO meets this criteria and the argument of popularity is still relevant to the debate.2. VotingThe idea of voting is to gather as much people's OPINION on the debate as possible. It's true that there are bad votes in DDO, but implying that all votes are perfect in Edeb8 is far from the truth, and I'm sure you didn't try to say that, but that's what it sounded like and it would be the only explanation for the rebuttal, sadly, it's not true. The point is that bad votes should not be a problem with a huge amount of votes. 3. BugsTo recreate the bug in the picture you have to log out. The idea is that it's not intended.About the bug in one of the debates, I remember clicking on submit, and I explained that in the comments, the point is that my post was still saved. In the case of "Csareo!!!", his post was deleted even when it gets saved by default.Then Con claims that there was a bug in DDO without providing evidence for that.And yes, admin makes a great effort fixing bugs. And DDO maybe had similar bugs in the past, and this is my point, DDO has more time and had a lot of bugs fixed already and it's more reliable than Edeb8 bug wise right now.And I found another just talking about this debate with Nzlockie. The times don't make sense. The times I get for my messages are correct, but the times he gets for his messages are not.4. Number SourcesCan't open them yet.5. Secret debatesI'm just using the results to see if the experiments were successful. Con claims that the experiment was successful because there are people that like those types of debates. Sadly, what's the objective of the experiment? Con claimed in his second round that most of the debates were good and thoughtful debates, and that was not true.Then Con claims that Edeb8 is better for debates because of this feature. But this is not compelling. Most of the debates topics are selected by the debaters and accepted. Con is talking about an specific type of debates related to school and collage debating.In general, real life debates topics are chosen and accepted. Debates for important issues, in DDO called "The big issues". [9]6. Debate stylesCon keeps comparing debating sites with real life. It's fine to have a competitive environment for debates, but again, one of the benefits of using DDO is the forgiving nature that it has to newcomers. And the fact that you can also have really competitive debates and tournaments shows that DDO have enough features AND users to mirror real life debates too.The British parliament debate is very cool. The DDO's reasoning for not implementing those kind of features is because it may not be used constantly, and considering that there is only one debate on Edeb8 using that feature that is not even finished yet makes it impossible to make comparison or run statistics.As for the last arguments, the fact that people play mafia, use polls, opinions or spam or advertise on DDO has nothing to do with the great community that revolves around debates. And talking about debates, those idiot 12yr olds who don't know what a debate is are welcome to learn, which shows a true range of different styles from a forgiving nature of casual debates [10] to the awesome competitive tournament-level debates [11].Sources1. http://www.edeb8.com...2. http://www.debate.org...3. http://www.debate.org...4. http://www.debate.org...5. http://www.debate.org...6. http://www.debate.org...7. http://www.debate.org...8. http://www.debate.org...9. http://www.debate.org...10. http://www.debate.org...11. http://www.debate.org...I thank Nzlockie for this debate. I wish him good luck in this debate and the rest of the tournament.