Immigrants (in general) have always been beneficial to America

I'm sorry I didn't specifically say that the Native Americans were by and large murdered off by foreign disease and guns. The Native population of America were largely murdered by the non-native European immigrants. Therefore, you cannot say that immigrants have *always* been beneficial to America. You said beneficial to America you didn't specify which America. Further, isn't it applicable? Aren't a number of anti-immigration people saying that Immigrants are going to take over and establish their own country. Where I might think this to be a little bit conspiratory, it has happened before. If you would like to contest the facts of my claims in Round 1, I will happily provide them. Note, there are very few native Americans left; clearly something happened. A liberal policy on immigration might likewise be a bad idea for our America. Certainly a number of immigrants work jobs for cheaper than Americans however, the laws of supply and demand are such that those jobs would pay more if there weren't so many people ready to work them for cheaper. Further, the idea that simply working a job for less money is a social good is suspect to say the least. The fact that a Chinese worker will do the job for a dime when the American worker might get 7 dollars an hour isn't a clear cut good in my book. Certainly it lowers the price of the goods produced, a quick look at Walmart will show this is true, however what good are cheap goods if Americans can't buy them? Flint Michigan has one of the highest crime rates in the United States, unemployment is about 30% though it's actually higher because many have given up looking and just haven't tried in the last six months (technically definition of unemployment). It exists as it does because it lost its jobs when they were moved to Mexico to employ cheaper labor. How exactly are you reaching this conclusion that lower pay for jobs is universally beneficial? They helped this country when people had jobs to do, working manufacturing and labor jobs with Americans working those same jobs. But, the markets have changed. The US is largely changing from manufacturing to service. How do you go from, they use to be beneficial to, "they have always been beneficial"? Your second point was that because my grandfather was an immigrant (really he was a kid at the time and my great grandfather moved the family) that I should somehow kowtow to the idea that it's a good idea in general. Let's say, I steal five dollars from a store. I like my five dollars. I'm the happiest person around having stolen this money. Should I then advocate that everybody steal five dollars from that same store? No. The store would shut down and it would end poorly. Am I happy my grandfather immigrated here? Yes. Do I thusly believe everybody should immigrate here? No. I don't see how either of your points are valid. Further, my primary objection stands. The immigration policy of the native Americans lead them to be essentially killed off. It might be pedantic, it might be amusing (as far as the topic goes, generally genocide isn't amusing), but it's also correct. Clearly the topic fails. Further, even the heavily restricted view of your argument is unsupported.