Atheism vs Christianity : Does God exist

This was not for building a Case. My R1 comments had the guidelines to follow but I will disregard the fact you did not skim over this and keep going. I will ask Con to note the title of this debate. It clearly states this is Christianity, referring to the God of the Christian bible. So he will have to argue from this perspective as noted. So any argument that God is a state of mind would be off topic because the God of the Christian bible refers to him as an omnipotent all knowing being. So as I stated in R1 this is a shared BOP and I will argue from the perspective that God probably does not exist. I normally break my debate into main points but the main focus of this debate will probably center around the origins of the universe. I will try to stay in that direction and also throw in some other key factors that often come up within apologetics. I will also keep this as simple as possible for people who don't reguarly dive into debates and lectures about quantum mechanics. So the main argument that creationist and Christians use to prove the existence of a God often centers around the KCA or kalam cosmological argument. In essence this states that everything that exists has a cause. The Universe exists, therefore the universe must have a cause. In simple terms everything that begins must have a "beginner" or some type of origin point. This often revolves around the assumption that God cod created the universe or started what we know as the beginning of time or the first state of time. Most people will then correlate this with the big bang. I am going to assume everyone reading this acknowledges that the big bang happened, and if you don't that is for an entirely different debate. This however is also supported by a multitude of facts, one of which being cosmic background radiation which was discovered by Arno Penzias and Robert Wilson in 1964 which won them the Nobel Prize. So the next question one might ask is how does a universe come from nothing. So we first have to define nothing. Nothing is a very hard term to grasp. For example 90 percent of the mass of a proton comes from the empty space within it. We can then conclude that since 90 percent of the mass from a proton comes from empty space, and since our body is mainly made of protons and electrons 90 percent of our mass comes from empty space. Because of the laws of quantum mechanics and special relativity we now know that nothing can be something and actually have a weight. First let me break down quantum mechanics for you. When we are looking at mechanics there are two types. One of which is basic or classical mechanics which deals with problems and issues on the level of atoms, the other is quantum mechanics which goes below the level of atoms. So on extremely small scales nothing is a bubbling, boiling, brew of virtual particles popping in and out of existence in a time scale so short you can't see them. I was going to post a link to cite this but instead I think it will be more beneficial if you see it yourself. http://www.youtube.com...If you go to :21 seconds on that video, the jumping particles you see are present in empty space. So when someone asks can you get something from nothing, the answer is yes. The same can be said for the universe itself. Most of weight of the universe comes from empty space. So the next stance most people will take is to argue the fact that this was after the first state of time. So the nothing that I just demonstrated has a different meaning than the nothing before the first state of time. Before I look at this point, I want to look at how our universe will end then go back to how it came from nothing. To break this down we need to look at the concept of general relativity. General relativity tells us that space is curved. Therefore we can draw one of three conclusions. The universe is open, closed, or flat. Click on this link to see a physical picture of this. . http://www.futurehumanevolution.org...So let me explain what a closed universe would essentially be. With the geometric properties that accompany it, if you were too look far enough in one direction you would see the back of your head. Both and open and a flat universe would be infinite in spatial extent. The important thing to note is what would happen in each of the universes. A closed universe would expand, stop, and then re collapse. An open universe would expand forever, and a flat universe would expand, slow down, but never quite stop expanding. So how do we figure out which one of these universe is our own? We get it by weighing the universe. Most scientist knew the universe was flat, because it was the only one that made mathematical sense when trying to weigh it. Also for the universe to be flat it was missing 1/3 of the amount of matter needed to make it flat. In a flat universe the total energy of the universe is exactly 0. Since gravity can have negative energy it balances out the positive energy of matter. So this goes back to the original question of how the universe came from nothing. What is so great about a universe with the total energy of 0? It is the only possible universe that can begin from nothing. Since there is 0 energy in that universe that allows quantum fluctuations to happen because of the fact it has 0 energy. Keep in mind this is quantum fluctuations on a deeper level than I had mentioned earlier because this is acting at total energy 0. So since this is the only universe in which 0 energy would be viable, if it isn't flat it would not make sense. That would mean there was energy at the start of time which contradicts general relativity. So the next question is how to we verify this, so how can we measure the curvature of the universe? You can do it using geometry. So to understand how this is done look at how we would measure the curvature of the earth if we didn't have a satellite. The first thing that would need to be done is to draw a triangle and find the sum of the angles in that triangle. For those who did pass geometry the answer is 180 degrees. With the earth it is very different. You can actually form a triangle with 3 right angles so the sum of the angles is 270. I'm hoping most people kept up with that, we know that because a right angle is 90 degrees. The same concept is applied to the universe. If you had a big enough triangle you could measure the curvature of space. I could keep going with how this is done but I am running out of space. Essentially we can use light in space to do this and act as a way to measure the curvature of the universe. One of the ways is the light from the cosmic background radiation that I mentioned earlier. To finish up this point, the 1/3 of the amount of matter that was needed for the universe to be flat(I mentioned this earlier) is made up of the empty space within a flat universe making the total energy 0. Which in turn makes it possible for universes to spawn because of quantum fluctuations. The sad part is the ending to this. Because the universe is flat, it is expanding. Centuries down the road, the cosmic background radiation will not even be visible and evidence of other universes will be gone because of the rate of expansion. People will not even see proof a big bang existed. My closing statement would be, how can there be a God. Science has shown us and keeps on showing us a multitude of theories as to how things were created since the beginning of time. It happened with evolution and now because of the string theory and quantum mechanics we can see how it is possible to get something from nothing. I don't think its logical to assume a deity made the universe, I think its sheer probability and chance. It also shows how far science has taken us. . http://www.physics.fsu.edu...http://www.infidels.org...