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Christianity makes no sense

As this is the last round, I'll try to explain myself to the best of my ability.1: I've said at least once, and I'll try to say it again. God sent his son because he loves us. I don't know if you have kids of your own yet, but either way, I think you'll be able to relate to this example.ex: A mom loves her child no matter what. Sometimes, however, the kid will disobey and disappoint his mother. However, the mom still loves her kid because she knows he's not perfect and he's going to mess up sometimes. No matter how much the kid hurts his mom, she will always do anything for him. Simply because a mom always loves her son. That's the same with God. We are God's children. So his love for us is never ending. No matter what we do to hurt him, his love will stay true to us. 2: To your second point, yes. God was completely aware that man was going to kill his son, Jesus.3: God didn't pretend he never knew he gave his son to man in the first place. When Jesus died on the cross he became our mediator. Meaning that God couldn't even see our sin. By Jesus dying on the cross, God could no longer see our sin. Jesus simply covered it. For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus, (1 Timothy 2:5)But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, purifies us from all sin.(1 John 1:7) 4: and to the final point in your argument. You said, "Oh my gosh, you killed me just for me, I now love you unconditionally, on the condition that you believe that my son was God." God didn't love humans because they killed Jesus. Jesus was just the sacrifice. God loves humans unconditionally because we are his children. And though we are led astray sometimes, He will always love us. Unfortunately, this is the final round so I will not get another response from you. Thank you for a fun debate and I hope you Christianity makes a little more sense to you after this debate. If you still have questions about the topic, feel free to send me a private message. Good luck.
Christianity makes no sense

A sacrifice of a God, to that same God, as is described in the Holy Trinity. This doesnt make any sense. With the concession that God has no rules to abide by, we are sacrificing directly to God. Now I am going to put this at a human perspective, since we are created in his image. If a group killed your son wouldn't you be mad at that group? In what case would that group gain any standing with you afterwards. Do tell. Even if they killed your son as an offering to you, you wouldnt be mad that they killed your son? So let me get this straight. You are saying that God sent his son full knowing he was going to be killed to man. Then God pretends he never knew that he gave man his son in the first place and in a feat of not caring that humans killed his son, said "Oh my gosh, you killed me just for me, I now love you unconditionally, on the condition that you believe that my son was God."
Christianity makes no sense

1. God does love mankind, but he hates the sin that has corrupt mankind. 2. God does not abide to rules, and there is no one higher to set those rules that don't exist. 3. You're using theoretical questions to support your claim yet you've shown no real research in The Bible or on the internet. 4. You're missing the point. Jesus was a sacrifice! Sacrifice: Something offered or killed as a religious sacrifice. God gave Jesus because of the sin that entered mankind. God knows that the only reason those people killed his son is because of the sin inside of them. God is forgiving. If a murdered decides to give their life to God, and repent from their sin, then they will be saved and they will go to Heaven.
Christianity makes no sense

But doesnt God give us eternal life? How can he say he loves mankind, but also say he dislikes mankind enough for eternal damnation. That seems conflicted. Unless you say that God almighty is bound by rules, but who set those rules? The only way I could see the God giving his son as a sacrifice working is if God has no say in who goes to heaven. If he did, why would humans killing his son open up the door for humans who believed his son to go to heaven. Here: If God controls who goes to heaven, then: why would God make a sacrifice on our behalf of his son? He couldn't have just given all faithful Jews a leg up into heaven. I have never heard of anyone who thought "These people wronged me, but if they kill my son and believed it was my son, then they are forgiven"
Christianity makes no sense

Rebuttals: John 3:16 says, "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." Christians aren't saved because they didn't kill him. They're saved because God gave his one and only Son, and if we believe we can have eternal life with God. First, all creation was tainted by the fall so an animal sacrifice could never be sufficient. Also, it was a man's sin that started it all so a man had to be offered as the perfect sacrifice. Not an animal. And Jesus covered man's sins and God's demand for holiness. Babies couldn't work either because they do not have the 100% God side. Babies may not sin consciously, but they do have a flesh which gives them that nature to sin. Without the Godly side of the equation, babies can't be offered as a sacrifice either.
Christianity makes no sense

Thank you. All of the previous sacrifices for sin in the Bible was a person consciously giving up something he had. The apostles, however, had no choice in giving up Jesus. Why would God send his son, so non-Christians can kill him? Then why do Christians get saved for not killing him? Why are sacrifices perfect if they never sinned? Correct me if I am wrong but isn't it impossible for animals to sin? And haven't babies never sinned? So would killing babies and animals be the perfect sacrifice as well? Or is the fact that he is God, make God want people to sacrifice him more? Different Points... I think you are way over generalizing the people who killed Jesus. Nobody living had any part in killing Jesus. Does that put us on par to reap the rewards that the Christians should get? After all everyone living had just an important role in Jesus's death as his apostles. That is, they had nothing to do with it and they can't stop it.
Christianity makes no sense

First of all, I assume you believe in the Bible and everything that is in it. Otherwise, this debate is pointless. With that said, I will be basing my whole side of this debate based on scripture from the Bible. I'm also going to assume you have a basic knowledge of the Bible. In case you don't, I'll provide scripture sources to everything I say so you can read it yourself. Good luck. Humans are sinful. God created Adam and Eve in the image of Himself. Unfortunately, Adam and Eve have a flesh. and our flesh is what makes us sin. So from the very beginning of times, mankind has sinned which ultimately results in us being imperfect. God, however, is perfect. God is so perfect in fact, that he can't even look at sin. So, in old testament times, people would have to give a sacrifice(your best cow) and offer it to the Lord for our sins. So as long as you give your sacrifice when you sin, your sins are forgiven. (Remember, thats old testament times so that no longer abides today.) God sent his only son, Jesus, to die on the cross for our sins. Which makes Jesus the ultimate sacrifice. Why can Jesus be the ultimate sacrifice and not the cow? Because Jesus is both 100% man and 100% God. Which means he can be a sacrifice but he's also a perfect one because he never sinned. So God gave His only son so that our sins could be forgiven forever. Romans crucified Jesus because he claimed to be God. Which is true, he did claim to be God, but it's because he was God(because of the trinity, Jesus and God are the same thing). Humans are sinful and that's why they killed Jesus. Christians were not part of the crucification. Jesus gave his life because he loved us and he wanted us to have a choice. Without Jesus, we would all die and go straight to hell because of our sin. But because Jesus died, he took our sin from us. So now when God looks at us, he no longer sees the sin we committed. If we give our lives to God, we can now go to Heaven. Conclusion: The reason the offender is relieved of his wrong doing is because God forgives us for our sin. God loves us and so he forgives the wrong doings of the offender. We can now go to heaven because Jesus died on the cross. I hope I was able to relieve some of your confusion. I look forward to the next round. Sources: Genesis 3 Hebrews 9:22 Habakkuk 1:13 John 10:30 1 Corinthians 8:6 John 19
who has the best story.neg must make thier own story, don't finish aff.

11:15 Pm. Monday, =================================== In one hand, PresadentWalker held a printed Google map image of Koopins house. In the other hand, a .50 caliber magnum revolver. He knew what he had to do...KILL THE KOOPIN! He had been reading way to much of the lame story titled "The crime." He had messaged WonderWoman and Atheistman, but they turned him down on his offer to vote bomb the Koopin. He looked at the clock and shivered. In forty-five minutes, he would kill for the first time. 11:30 Pm Monday, ================================= Koopin knew that he had better be careful, there had been warning signs all around. Strange phone calls at night, white unmarked vans outside of his house, eerie email messages. He knew that he had to hire someone to protect him. He remembered that OreEle had been a very secretive person. He never told anyone what his meant, so he must be FBI!!! Koopin picked up the phone and dialed his number. "OreEle, this is Koopin. I KNOW YOUR FBI!!!!" "WHAT!?!?!? HOW DID YOU GUESS!!!!???" "That does not matter, I need you to check on PresadentWalker for me, he seems a little...crazy." "Okay Koopin, but please don't tell anyone about me" 11:45 Pm Monday, ================================ OreEle saw PresadentWalker put eight gold bullets from his pocket and place them into the gun. OreEle listened as PresadentWalker talked to himself. "I WILL KILL HIM FOR THIS!!! MY WIN RATIO IS ALREADY TO LOW! MAYBE IF HE FORFEITS, I WILL GET VOTES!!!" 11:50 Pm Monday, =============================== OreEle did not have a phone to call Koopin, so he did the next best thing. He edited Koopin's wiki page. He warned Koopin that PresadentWalker was planning an attack at 12:00! He warned Koopin to bring a gun to defend himself. Luckily, Koopin got the message. But so did somebody else. 11:59 Pm Monday, =============================== The rain was failing hard as Koopin stood still, PresadentWalker's gun pointed right at him from 20 feet away. "So this is how it is gonna end PresadentWalker?" "Yes Koopin, it is time you die." "You don't want to talk about it?" "No" "Okay then," Koopin drew his gun, as PresadentWalker emptied all 8. "BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG....BANG" Blood mixed with he water as PresadentWalker and someone else hit the ground 12:00 Am Tuesday ========================= "True2GaGa," Shouted Koopin, "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!"
who has the best story.neg must make thier own story, don't finish aff.

Part two, Hot and sticky sweat drenched from PresadentWalkers face. He knew it was all over now, the mighty Koopin had found out his secret! ‘What will I do!?!?' he thought ‘now everyone will vote against me, well there may be some vote bombers who vote for me. Atheistman and wonderwoman usually vote all seven points against Koopin! Maybe this will save the day. The only bad thing is that so many people are going to see this, and I will never win! I-' PresadentWalker had another great thought, ‘If I forfeit a round, this debate will not appear on Debate.org's home page! I will Pm this debate to Wonderwoman and Atheist man! Hopefully, they will turn against Koopin like in this debate, http://www.debate.org... where Atheistman vote bombed Koopin big time! Or this debate, http://www.debate.org... where Wonderwomen voted for the anti woman user by the name of ManOfPower. Yes, YES! I SHALL WIN THIS DEBATE!!!!' Little did he know that Koopin had another plan…. A plan that includes OreEle, the ddo wiki, and…….TRUE2GAGA!!! Part 3 up next.
who has the best story.neg must make thier own story, don't finish aff.

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who has the best story.neg must make thier own story, don't finish aff.

The Crime Spencer has meticulously planned out every detail of the robbery. So what could go wrong? "Crime in our town has gone up for the seventh straight month. Police are at a loss for the reason. They are warning all citizens to be on their guard." "Hopefully, not too much on their guard," Spencer said with a chuckle. He turned off the radio as he sat in his pickup truck. His eyes were trained on the liquor store as he watched the only remaining customer leave. "It's show time," Spencer said to himself as he put on a black ski mask. As he walked across the empty parking lot toward the store, the young man felt powerful, in complete control of his destiny. As Spencer entered the store, he spotted the cashier behind the counter, looking down at a magazine. "Get your hands up!" Spencer shouted, pointing a gun at the cashier, Tom. Tom's eyes bulged out as he raised his shaking arms in the air. "Please, don't shoot." "You do what I say and I won't," Spencer said. "Keep your hands where I can see them at all times. Go over to the front door and lock it." With perspiration dripping down his face, Tom slowly walked over to the front door and locked it. At Spencer's order, Tom drew the blinds on the large window so no one could see inside and then he flipped the small sign around to show "closed."
Spider man is better than Superman

okay den. listen here sakskinz aint tryin to read no got d amn books so dont be up on my muh fu ckin debates writing me one.. d amn. now listen i dont give two muh f uckin s hits about no d amn people a long a ss time ago who needed some p ussy a ss supa hero. but in dis muh f uckin case supa zero cus supa man be such a b itch. back to what i said be fo spiderman will strait up whip that supa man a ss
Spider man is better than Superman

The question asked is, "Why is Superman the Greatest superhero?". The Answer to that question is one that is often overlooked by many people, including fans of other comic book characters. Superman is often disliked, or even hated because he is nearly perfect in every way imaginable. This is not his fault, and should not be held against him. While in the 1930's the censorship in America was much more harsh than what it is today, it would have been incredibly hard to introduce some of the great characters that we all love today, such as Spiderman, or the X-Men. The odds of characters such as these ever being seen on a comic book rack at this time are incredibly low, for the sake of the violence would have been too much for American audiences. The people of America needed a hero, but not one that was going to corrupt society, someone they could look up to. Superman did, however, lay down a supporting structure, along with characters such as The Human Torch, and the Submariner, for the characters that are on the market today. Another point that is needed to be made, is that Superman is a sign of hope, especially through the harsh times in which he was created. He was created during the time of the great depression, and shortly before WWII, which it goes without saying that Superman was perfect for a reason, and that reason is this: Superman was a sign of hope for people in the hardest of times! So the next time a person has the nerve to disrespect Superman, tell them that they are badly mistaken, and should probably look into his past a little bit.
Spider man is better than Superman

Ight now listen sakskidz i know you aw intitled to that opinion but real talk what da f uck you tryin ta prove? aint no way dat b itch got s hit on my boy spidaman. like fo real doe my nigga spidey would strait kick his bitch a ss. just cus he stronga and fasta dont mean a d amn thang when it comes to da f uckin street smarts. like really nigga i f uckin know spidaman would strait up kill a b itch if he had to cmon main. supaman is a p ussyyy
Spider man is better than Superman

Spider man is bad a ss. Superman is a strait up PUSSS SSSSYYYYY. Id like to see that muh fu ckah step to the web head. hed steady get a mud hole stomped in his as s. real talk though that underwear over the pants wearin b itch aint got nothing on spiderman. Plus my nigga spiderman be gettin that mj p ussy. what is superman gettin? batmans d ick. try and argue with me bitc hessssss
abortion should be legal

There is nothing to be lostWhen a child is born, his level of success will be determined by mostly environmental factors. When a child is aborted, we are not losing what could have been. In fact, we are not losing anything, since there is no human being at the time of a legal abortion.Because there is no being, there is no murderA human is not created at the time of conception. Instead, there is only cells dividing. That is it. Cells aren't living. Cells aren't capable of thought. They don't contribute to society.Women's Health Sometimes, a fetus needs to be aborted to protect the health of the mother. Instead of focusing on the health of dividing cells, we should be focusing on the health of a living person. That includes the mental health costs for the mother after an abortion. Women's RightsWhat right does the government have to interfere in the reproductive systems of women? None. Abortion is a matter between a woman and her doctor, and the government doesn't have the right to dictate what happens.
abortion should be legal

Loss of knowledge and ability. The use of abortion degenerates society by destroying the ability's and knowledge that child could have given to society. Say for instance Albert Einstein had not been born because his mother aborted him, it would have created a tremendous loss to society. All his knowledge and ability would be lost to the world. Allowing abortion deprives the world of the very knowledge and ability that child could have brought it. What ever that child could have done for the world is gone.Abortion should be murderWhat would be the difference between someone having an abortion and someone killing a child that is fully developed. There is none, that child is dead either way. As soon as the cells of the fetus proceed to divide and create that child it is a human being. There is no difference between murdering a child and having an abortion. What right do we have to curtail a beings growth.Alternatives to abortionWhy should a mother kill her unborn child when there are other options. Adoption is just as good for an unprepared mother as abortion. If a mother cannot support a child, they should not kill it, but give it up for adoption.
Dead baby jokes are the epitome of social desensitization.

Confusion...My opponent's argument makes no sense, it doesn't help his case at all. He claims to have ceded all points but "one aspect" and then goes on to explain how we love to see violent acts on the news. Is he trying to claim that dead baby jokes are not that bad and that there is actually WORSE desensitization in society? My Argument Pt. III feel as though Con's arguments help my case. He claims society has blood lust via the media and loves to see criminals. However, this only plays into my argument that dead baby jokes truly are the epitome of this desensitization. Society and humans have always been fascinated by violent or tragic happenings, mostly out of curiosity or fear. We rubberneck on highways and watch high speed chases on TV but that is not desensitization, it's curiosity. Look at it this way, a society has to find criminals and homicide fascinating before they can laugh at a dead baby joke. Innocence --> Curiosity --> Morbid curiosity --> Media homicide fascination --> Dead baby jokesOne does not laugh at a dead baby joke then suddenly want to watch the news and see the "killer's face". In this case, dead baby jokes are the gruesome and horrible head to the media desensitization my opponent described. Only after you have been seeped in media murder can you find jokes about infanticide funny. In this way, dead baby jokes really are the epitome of modern day desensitization.Thank you.
Dead baby jokes are the epitome of social desensitization.

I see where now my choice of words has led me into a corner. I do also agree that legitimate Dead Baby Jokes such as the ones listed by my opponent are not funny. Infanticide is also rarely funny and it's usually within the shock value that makes it funny. By using the term "Dead Baby Jokes" as a blanket term for Politically Incorrect jokes i've caused by debate to become misleading. Although I do still stick to one aspect of my point. I do not believe that the Dead Baby Joke is the epitome of social desensitization because there are far worse things that society has done that point to a different source. Jokes about infanticide are rare in the realm of popular culture. Popular culture in North America is very much influenced by the media, wether it be through television or internet. School shootings in the eye of the media are a strong example to support my argument. Whenever there is some sort of tragic attack in the education system in the United States one thing is always demanded by the people: The Shooter's face. And that's what the media delivers. It is truly bizarre how much attention is brought to the perpetrator of such violent acts. What is disturbing also is that the people of that nation immediately demand blood for blood. The media has the face of the killer plastered across it, throwing names around like Lanza, Holmes, or Harris. Little attention goes towards the actual victims of the tragedy because they aren't deemed as interesting or newsworthy as the convicted killer pre or posthumous. Media focuses on the killers. This focus makes them famous. The epitome of desensitization in this nation is when homicide can be utilized for business. Jokes about infanticide are still in poor taste and require some desensitization to speak of, but to make profit off of homicide stories is far worse. There is no exact "epitome" of desensitization because it's a grouping of many things that makes our society more and more desensitized. If there is anything worse than Dead Baby Jokes it is to think that homicide is less vile of a crime. (keep in mind i'm not calling my opponent out as if they said homicide has less value over dead baby jokes, i'm simply adjusting the debate for the sake of us both to continue the discussion)