Muhammad raped Aisha

firstly,my opponent failed to obey one of the rules of this debate, i expect more civility in the future my opponent brought up some bogus definition of rape where he convinently sneaked in lies and corruption, i will present real definition of rape as presented by the encarta dictionary rape [rayp] noun (plural rapes) 1. forcing of somebody into sex: the crime of using force somebody to have sexual intercourse with somebody 2. instance of rape: an instance of the crime of rape 3. violent destructive treatment: the violent, destructive, or abusive treatment of something the rape of a beautiful stretch of countryside 4. abduction: an act of seizing somebody and carrying him or her away by force (archaic) transitive verb (past and past participle raped, present participle rap"ing, 3rd person present singular rapes) 1. force somebody to have sex: to force somebody to have sexual intercourse 2. violate something: to treat something in a violent, destructive, or abusive way rape the land for its resources Microsoft" Encarta" 2009. contrary to the ignorance on fraud of my opponent, we can see clearly that there is nothing like " rape includes having sex with minors or mentally disabled persons. ". here a fraud is noted as my opponent tries to win the argument to support muhammed raping aisha which is a fallacy. moreover, as we have read, rape does not happen under marital situations, as sex within this institution is not seen as forced or illegal. the definition alone fell his whole mouthing. next my opponent tries to justify his insult with the age of aisha as at the time of consummation with the hadith (which i will deal with later under the law guiding the authenticity of hadiths). but the question is, 'what is his judgement bases? '. on which scale do you say something is right or something is wrong? Aisha's parents were the ones who married her to our Prophet, and that no Muslim or even pagan objected to the marriage because it was widely practiced. And even until today in 3rd world countries (Muslims and non-Muslims), little girls as young as 9 or 10 do get married. Anyway, the reason no one objected was to the Prophet's marriage was. . http://www.answering-christianity.com...... 1-The Bible's Prophets, and even Roman Emperors married girls as young as 8! [ 1] 2-Mary got pregnant between the ages of 11 and 14. 3-The minimum age for marriage in the US-State of Delaware in year 1880 was 7 4-According to the Jewish Talmud, Prophet Moses and his followers had sex with girls as young as 3 years old. i stand to be corrected on this facts. and by this i have established that the age that my opponent place his argument on does not count. many people sees it as normal. however, if this is not enough as a moral justification, since we are discussing religion then i will ask my opponent that to bring from his book, the age limit for marriage from his bible. the answer here is, there is none. if there is we wont have biblical prophets having sex with minors. example: Moses Numbers 31:17-18 "Now kill all the boys [innocent kids]. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man. " In the Torah (In the Book of Numbers in the Bible), after the conquest of Midian and Moab, and the great venereal plague, Moses (peace be on him) ordered that all the women "who have known a man" be killed but that "all the young girls, who have not known a man by lying with him" be kept alive for the Israelites. Since the only females left fit for marriage and wholesome relations were prepubescent virgins, a Jewish law concerning child marriage was enacted. That law is found in the Babylonian Talmud: "Rabbi Joseph said, 'Come and hear. A maiden aged 3 years and a day may be acquired in marriage by coition. ' Mishnah: A girl of the age of 3 years and a day may be betrothed, subject to her father's approval, by sexual intercourse. Gemara: Our Rabbis taught: 'A girl of the age of 3 years may be betrothed by sexual intercourse. ' " //Con should probably tell us why Aisha hair fell. // how does this have anything to do with rape? //It should also be pointed out that Aisha was not able to bare any children to Muhammad. Here too, one can assume that her reproductive system may have been damaged when Muhammad penetrated her especially if she had not yet reached puberty// i dont think assumption counts in an intellectual and fact based debate //Even Abu Bakr the greatest fool in the world was shocked when Muhammad requested for Aisha's hand in marriage:// name calling only make you look less balanced in your judgement. my opponent in his bad mouthing after insulting abu bakr who is respected by muslims to get at me posted an hadiths to say abu bakr do not approve of her daugther's marriage. this is misleading. REBUTTAL: The pro wanted us to note the words of aisha's father but seems not to be concerned about the response of the prophet. this was the response of the prophet: //The Prophet said, "You are my brother in Allah's religion and His Book, but she (Aisha) is lawful for me to marry. "// Here the prophet[with that reply] gave a response to Aisha's father and also Gave her father a reason why he can marry his daughter lawfully. After the response given by the prophet,the was no record of Aisha's father opposing the prophet's marriage to Aisha. every other things that comes later in pro's arguments are baseless insulting and provocative assumptions. Furthermore,am beginning to think the pro does not really understand this topic and he seems to be arguing for under age sex rather than Aisha being raped. when the father of a lady does not give consent to a marriage,we can't just jump to the conclusion that she was raped. If the father does not give his consent to the marriage and we jump to the conclusion that she was raped,the following questions need to be answered: #. WHERE WAS AISHA RAPED? #. HOW DID SHE GET TO WHERE SHE WAS RAPED? #. WHERE WAS HER FATHER WHEN SHE WAS RAPED? # WHEN SHE GOT TO BE A WOMAN, WE EXPECT SHE MAKES A MOVE ON THE CRIME, WHAT WAS HER MOVE? #. WHEN A 9YR OLD GIRL WAS RAPED,WHAT ACTION WAS TAKEN BY HER FATHER? To further buttress my point,the pro wants us to believe that since the father does not give his consent,we should jump to the conclusion that she was raped,dating back from previous centuries,we have heard and read of different stories whereby lovers marry against the consent of their parents. an example is cited below: . http://www.maniacworld.com...... We have so many relationship today not even marriage and sexual intercourse occurs without the consent of either one of the parents of the male or female,THEN SHOULD WE CALL THOSE RELATIONSHIP RAPE? ? To round up my first round of rebutall,that the father of the lady does not give his consent does not necessarily means rape. when a case of rape occurs,the consent of the lady in question is needed not the father as the father is not the person in question. IN MY LAST NOTE. the pro wrote //Aisha is too young to be sexually molested. // we know if we stand in court with evident presented by pro and makes this statement, it is a contempt, as we can see that nothing like 'molestation' is in any evident. lastly, i will like to express my shock on the ignorance of the pro, apart from being dirty, pro is ignorant of his subject. he wrote //It is unfortunate that billions of people worship and emulate this man// this is laughable. thinking muslims worship muhammed (which is a crime in islam) and here we have pro debating islam. i shall not be surprised on the blunders to come