LM Classic round III Ultimate Team War Feverish v Kefka

Hello again and thanks to Con for a phenomenal battle. Unfortunately the tournament organiser has decreed that this is to be the last round, my apologies to all for formatting the debate incorrectly. In this round I won't present new strategies, arguments or evidence for my team, merely rebuttals and summaries, I request that my opponent does the same as I will be unable to respond to any fresh arguments. 1) Kefka Still tracking...." But not turning. 2) Anima "Pain would immediately destroy whomever it hits since they don't contain a "Immune to instant death" clause." Such a clause does not exist and does not make sense. As I explained in round 2, many kinds of attacks could be classified as "instant death moves" but are not. It is a meaningless term in this context. 3) Kyo CON:"Upon further research, and realizing how I forgot details of one of my favorite mangas, I have found out that Kyo actually moves or actually meets the speed of light. So yes, I concede I made a mistake earlier, mostly because of apathy, but I've fixed it....Research and challenge my contention if you will." If my opponent had chosen to research this tournament to the level of reading a few of the other debates, he would have seen that every debater provided sources to back up their character descriptions. Con provided no sources for his characters but gave a description of Kyo moving at above bullet speed (Which could be up to 1.5 kmps - http://hypertextbook.com...). I offered the Wiki link which confirmed this speed description and CK accepted this. He conceded that Monkey was "technically faster" in the first sentence of his first battle action in round 2. He now claims this is all in error because he's found another opinion on a discussion forum. I think it is unacceptable to drastically alter the abilities of a character mid-debate, especially at this late stage and I request that CK's previous descriptions and concessions about this character should take precedence over this new and completely unsubstantiated information. Looking at the forum discussion, there is much doubt expressed as to what the translation actually means and the consensus seems to favour the second translation which makes no mention of light speed. Even in the first translation it is only the sword itself which is described as moving at "light-speed", whereas Con is suggesting it applies to Kyo's foot speed. http://forums.narutofan.com... :"It's pretty poetic so there are different interpretations. "kousokutou"--literally "speed of light sword". While I am no Japanese expert this page of Japanese/English translations, http://www.eudict.com... shows that while kousoku does mean "speed of light", this could well be a poetic and descriptive term (as one might describe a bullet moving in a flash of light) because the more scientific term "THE speed of light" which we are actually discussing in this debate is correctly defined as "hikarinohiyasa" which the manga does not mention. Kyo's sword can move faster than the eye can see but not at lightspeed, I will graciously allow him a foot speed of up to 2kmps, fast enough to easily dodge bullets. The longest of Monkey's leaps could possibly take him up to a second, so 54000 kmps. Sun Wu Kong just got his Reebok sponsorship deal back. "My opponent mocks Kyo by saying, unlike Monkey's heavenly enemies, he only fights samurai?." No, I wasn't talking about individual fights but about when they fight entire armies. "Why can he not summon entities? As I argued before, taking the philosophy of a sword being an extension of one's body, a summon is the extension of one's conscious." No, a sword is equipment, another entity that is an extension of one character makes them a collective which is disallowed. "You have a slew of pretentiously intelligent characters with superior "technology", where do they beat the discipline over a lifetime by men who have fought god- like entities?" The short answer is that even if they didn't, Monkey does. CK's technophobia in this debate is quite intriguing, it is of course in terms of fire-power rather than discipline that several of my characters excel. For an obvious (if somewhat tasteless and horrific) example of technological weaponry pwning Japanese tradition and training see Hiroshima, Nagasaki etc. 4) Itachi "Why would any of these exclude him from street - level quality? Characters like Spider Man, who have senses far beyond human means, or Wolverine who has extreme regenerative powers, are considered street level." These characters qualify because their powers are limited and because they generally deal with local villains on a city-wide basis. CK is claiming that Itachi not only has reactions faster than Spider Man but also suggesting that his mental powers are as strong as people like Professor X (who is clearly not street-level) or Dr. Strange (who is banned outright for being too powerful) and forcefields stronger than lightning. This combination and extent of powers makes him well beyond street-level. BATTLE +0.01 secs CK has attempted to shift the goal posts but his previous concession and the unreliability of his late source undermine his new assertions (see above). Monkey is faster. CK has also ignored my argument about the extendable length of Monkey's staff meaning he won't have to land that near to Kyo so I assume this is conceded also. Kyo = eliminated. No whipped cream for you. +0.05 secs "Spidey can react just as fast as this" I'm not convinced that Spidey can and in any case, Itachi is not Spider Man and I have seen no evidence of his reflexes being anywhere near this level. Con seems to think he can claim the abilities of all other street-level characters for Itachi. Can Itachi also regenerate and shoot webs? "It might be true that his "eyes" aren't directly exposed, but the only way Sharingan is avoided is if the eyes in the sockets in your head are either not there, or very turned around." Why? I would have assumed that having one's eyes covered would be a similar effect to having them turned away. Tony isn't looking through a visor he's seeing a digital display. +0.3 secs "I see no reason why Kefka can't react fast enough to cast the spell." Kefka has not been specified as having superfast reflexes and he will have no reason to expect this attack. Perceiving the danger, deciding on a course of action and casting the spell (most spells require some kind of incantation or at least gesture) would all add up to much longer than 0.3 seconds. "all Pro suggested was that million of these rats had explosives attached to them Ji-had style." No, I said: "the millions of rats begin transporting and concealing a number of Predator explosives and booby traps at strategic points around the city." There is every chance that there could be a mine right under Kefka, this was just one example of how Kefka could die, he could just as easily be targeted by laser cannon. "Gut's armor- Head exposed? Hahha, I think not." Again, this is what you get for not providing your own sources. The link I provided that was accepted clearly shows Guts with no helmet. "I don't think silly explosives can harm Anima. Just look at her, come on." "Look at her" is not an argument. She's big and mean so what? Explosives aren't silly. http://en.wikivisual.com... "Ironman takes elixirs to do this, what makes that any different?" Ironman is not street-level, that's the difference. "Guts will most certainly catch Predator while in his Berserk Armor." How? He can't see where he is and he is moving too fast. ---- I think my team has comfortably won the battle but the judges must of course decide this for themselves. Thanks.