If Jesus of the Bible died, he came to die for the sins of his father or his sins if he is God.

I would like to begin with a quote by C.S. Lewis on his explanation of how a person should view Jesus Christ: "I am trying here to prevent anyone saying the really foolish thing that people often say about Him: I"m ready to accept Jesus as a great moral teacher, but I don"t accept his claim to be God. That is the one thing we must not say. A man who was merely a man and said the sort of things Jesus said would not be a great moral teacher. He would either be a lunatic " on the level with the man who says he is a poached egg " or else he would be the Devil of Hell. You must make your choice. Either this man was, and is, the Son of God, or else a madman or something worse. You can shut him up for a fool, you can spit at him and kill him as a demon or you can fall at his feet and call him Lord and God, but let us not come with any patronizing nonsense about his being a great human teacher. He has not left that open to us. He did not intend to." R13; C.S. Lewis, Mere Christianity To summarize, we have only three options on how we can view Jesus Christ: he is a liar, he is a lunatic, or he is the Lord. In this debate, I would like to present 3 points as to how I as the con will approach the question. Point 1: Who is God? To begin, one of the most important questions a person will ever ask is, "Who is God?" As the question of this debate is specifically directed to the God of the Bible, I will do my best to describe who he is. First, there is only ONE God as affirmed the Bible. There are three persons in the Godhead, Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit, but they are all ONE God. As the Trinity is not the topic of the debate, I will not go further into it. Below two verses from the Old and New Testaments, respectively, that talk about the oneness of God: Deuteronomy 6:4-5 Hear, O Israel! The LORD is our God, the LORD is one! And you shall love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your might. 1 Timothy 2:5-6 For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, who gave Himself as a ransom for all, the testimony borne at the proper time. http://coldcasechristianity.com... Next, is the most important thing to understand and will result with a fallacious argument if dismissed. God CANNOT sin because he IS NOT sin. God by his very nature is a PERFECT being. If we look back in Genesis, we see the Fall of Man. When God created this universe, he created it PERFECTLY. There was NO sin when he created it. As the creator of the universe, God is not bound to the laws of the universe like we are. He transcends it because he created it (to clarify, suffering and all that goes under it is NOT a part of creation as God originally made it). All that we know to be reality in this universe is because he made it to be so. Calling God sinful is simply NOT true. Below are verses in the Bible that further describe the God's nature. Psalm 92:15 To declare that the LORD is upright; He is my rock, and there is no unrighteousness in Him. Psalm 25:8 Good and upright is the LORD; Therefore He instructs sinners in the way. Point 2: Why Jesus came? The next point to consider is why did Jesus come and does the Bible talk about it? The answer to the latter question is yes and the Bible is extremely explicit as to why Jesus came. Below are verses from the Gospels that talk about Jesus' time on Earth: (Mark 2:17) When Jesus heard it, He said to them, "Those who are well have no need of a physician, but those who are sick. I did not come to call the righteous, but sinners, to repentance." (Luke 9:56) "For the Son of Man did not come to destroy men"s lives but to save them." And they went to another village. For those who are not familiar with the Scriptures, there are scores of prophecies (over 300!) in the Old Testament that describe Jesus centuries before he was even born. Obviously, I cannot include all of them, but here is an example (it is listed as the prophecy and the account): Psalm 22:1 My God, my God, why have you forsaken me? Why are you so far from saving me, so far from my cries of anguish? Matthew 27:46 About three in the afternoon Jesus cried out in a loud voice, "Eli, Eli,[a] lemasabachthani?" (which means "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?"). That's so cool right? The description is so spot on even though it is separated by hundreds of years! If I may bring your attention to the first verse in the Psalms, you might remember Jesus saying this during his Crucifixion. This is actually one of seven things that Jesus said while on the Cross. When he said this, he was quoting the Psalm, something that the followers who were present during his Crucifixion would have been very familiar with. This is not the only example of a prophecy describing Christ. There are hundreds more that are ALL fulfilled when Jesus came. I strongly encourage you to look them up yourself. Point 3: The significance of the Cross So you might be reading all this and wondering, "so what? Jesus died on a Cross? How does that save me from my sins?" Well, to answer that question, we need to go into the Old Testament where offerings were a mandatory practice for Jews. In an offering , an individual will pick a HEALTHY animal from their livestock (a lamb, ram, or a bull for example) without defect or blemish and they would have to slaughter it as a sacrifice to God. This doesn't mean that God hates animals, an offering serves a much higher purpose. See, this sin problem that humanity has is exactly like debt and it had to be paid back in increments. The word "sin" literally means separation from God and a price had to be paid to deal with the debt. But the price was not money, the price was blood. When a person sinned, only innocent blood could have been used to reconcile man with God, therefore explaining the use of a HEALTHY animal. This seems like a good system right, except the only problem is that sin is constant and the debt keeps stacking up. I'm going to deviate again to tell you a familiar story about Abraham being told by God to sacrifice his son, Isaac. I believe the story to be 100% true, but the story is also allegorical for Jesus Christ coming to save humanity? Don't see it? Let me explain. After Abraham prepared the altar and was about to sacrifice his son, an angel of God told him to stop because God had seen his faith. It is described that God provided a ram and it was used as the sacrifice instead of Isaac. The allegory in the story is that Abraham was about to sacrifice Isaac (who represents mankind), but God intervenes and stops him. Instead of sacrificing Isaac, God provides a ram (Jesus Christ) to be sacrificed in the place of Isaac so that the sin debt is taken care of. Do you see it now? There's another point that I want to add. Everyone has heard Jesus Christ being called the "Lamb of God"? This is because Jesus was the ultimate sacrifice, the PERFECT sacrifice that was necessary to restore the relationship between God and man. If it was not for his sacrifice, there would be no hope for us ever being able to live in communion with God. To summarize my argument, I listed three points: the nature of God, why Jesus came, and the significance of the Cross. I divided my argument into these points so that I could answer different parts of the question. By attempting to describe the nature of God, I hope to have accomplished explaining that it is IMPOSSIBLE for God to sin and so that Jesus dying for the sins of himself or the Father is out of the question. My second point, as to why Jesus came, is meant to show what the Bible says on the matter and how it shows his death to be significant. Finally, I used my last point to explain how Jesus was the ultimate sacrifice and what was truly accomplished when he died on the Cross. Before I close, I want to say how thankful I am for this opportunity! God bless!