Hulk Vs Spiderman (Hulk wins)

=== CONTENTION #1 (rebuttals) === 1) In response to me pointing out that Spider-Man would simply have to calm the Hulk down in order to secure victory, PRO cites the fact that the Sentry was unable to calm the Hulk down during the World War Hulk story arc (who was one of the Hulk's closest friends), however, what my opponent conveniently leaves out of his rebuttal is the fact that the Hulk was depicted as being angrier than he had ever been during the midst of this arc due to previous events. In other words, we're not taking into consideration a base level Hulk when referring to this event. Essentially, PRO citing any performance by an already pre-anger hence amped up Hulk is just like me citing Spider-Man with prep time or suggesting he has access to his cosmic powers. If PRO wishes to take this debate to that route, I'll gladly explain why a cosmic powered Spider-Man could easily dispatch the Hulk. Basically though . . . any anger past base level which neither Spider-Man or the Hulk has caused is to be considered outside help (as no outside help and no prep time were the parameters which PRO himself had set at the end of his round 1). Now, if for some reason I end up agreeing that Spider-man would cause the Hulk to get as angry as he had gotten during the World War Hulk arc, my opponent's reasoning shall be valid. 2) My opponent attempts to point out that the Hulk at his weakest is still 10 times stronger than Spider-Man. Ladies and gentlemen, this is merely my opponent insinuating the myth that Spider-Man merely has a strength limit of ten tons. However, based on the scans posted in my evidence thread ( http://www.debate.org... ), Spider-Man is not in the ten ton league. If anything (with him supporting an entire building), one could reasonably claim that a SERIOUS Spider-Man is stronger or equal to a calm downed Hulk in terms of physical prowess. 3) PRO goes on to state that even some of the brightest minds in the Marvel have tried to come up with ways to calm the Hulk down, only to fail . . . however, as revealed during CX, this is false as PRO points out that both Reed Richards and Bruce Banner have succeeded (keep this in mind as we'll come back to it in a little bit). Not to mention that Spider-Man himself triggered the Hulk to change into Bruce Banner when he had first attempted to join the Avengers (note that getting in required he capture the Hulk. Also, observe this panel: http://img443.imageshack.us... ). This tells us that Spider-Man would have knowledge of how to quickly change the Hulk into Banner during battle without prior preparation. As for the Hulk trusting no one and that someone such as Spider-Man wouldn't get anywhere through talking to the Hulk, observe the following panel:http://img515.imageshack.us... This took place after a brief tangle between the two characters. The Hulk was quickly willing stop fighting Spider-man as well as to even confide in him. 4) Doesn't matter if Spider-Man has fought on the Hulk on several occasions. Spider-Man has fought mostly every hero on several occasions, yet this still hasn't prevented teamwork. Not to mention that Spider-Man has worked with the Hulk on FAR more occasions than he has actually fought him, due to being an Avenger. As long as Spider-Man does not attempt to fight the Hulk or anger him in any way, we are guaranteed no direct confrontation, hence making a comparison between the two characters' super powers irrelevant. === CONTENTION #2 (rebuttals) === 1) PRO points out that it is possible that the means at which Spider-Man could defeat the Hulk would require preparation. If we are to consider this possibility, it would make no difference in terms of the outcome of this battle. Given that I've already established that Spider-Man could very well refuse to fight the Hulk and allow him to calm down on his own, what would stop Spider-Man from using this time to create the device in question? This doesn't require preparing before the fight. Rather, it simply requires that Spider-Man having time after the match has started to create his device. This can be done through deceiving the Hulk (which is not difficult to do) into believing that the two have no need to fight and perhaps even tell him to wait at a certain location or Spidey could simply plant a spider tracer on the Hulk's back, prepare the device and then come back to use it on the Hulk. Both of these methods involve Spider-Man doing nothing to agitate the Hulk. As far as this being a notion never tested by Peter Parker, this is merely conjecture on the instigator's part as there is no place in that course of dialogue which goes to suggest that Peter never really gave this matter any real study. In addition, being a man of science, it is most doubtful that he'd make such empty that do not in any way adhere to the scientific method. 2) Next, PRO attempts to counter my claims concerning Firelord by pointing out that Spidey's success was merely PIS. For those who don't know, PIS is often something which is tossed around in comic book versus debates. It is used for the purpose of ignoring evidence which individual fans deem outrageous. That said, although one might adhere to this on a comic book forum, I'm afraid I see no logical reason to do the same here on a debate website. Firstly, we're talking about fictional characters who have super powers and exist in a world where Norse gods and all sorts of magical creatures exist. Secondly, PIS is subjective. Thirdly, the opinion of a mere fan is not to be considered authoritative testimony. Unless the actual authors themselves insist to recant what has happened, my opponents criticisms are to be dismissed without hesitation. As for his 3 additional points here: a. Pre-Cognition (spider-sense) enables Spider-Man to anticipate what his foes will do before they've done it. When this is combined with already super human dexterity, such speed advantages are irrelevant. Just think of how Batman dodges bullets. He watches where the gun is being fired from and dodges before the bullet leaves the barrel. It's basically the same thing here, only far more complex. b. The off guard gas station explosion which Spidey lured Firelord into had already taken its toll on him. As we could see here, Firelord could do nothing more than block. He was too drained of power to do anything else. As for the Avengers not being able to outperform Spidey, this just goes to compliment his abilities. :D c. Firelord stated that although he could destroy the entire city, he'd fight Spider-Man directly for the purpose of honor. As for this nonsense about Spider-Man wearing his symbiote suit, observe: http://img440.imageshack.us... (the web pack on his back is used to carry clothing . . . which is unnecessary in a symbiote suit). In addition, this issue is #269. Spider-Man loses his symbiote suit in #258. Finally, since I never stated that Firelord was stronger than the Hulk (notice that I said he was in the Hulk's league), I won't bother attacking this chain of straw arguments which are based around this clam which I did not make. === RE PRO's Case === 1) The thunder clap is dependent on the Hulk's strength lvl. The less angry he is, the less effective (meaning that if Spidey engages him and takes him out quickly, this won't be a problem) 2) PRO claims that the Hulk just has to make Spider-Man tire, but from the evidence I provide, not only is Spider-Man well capable of knocking out the Hulk, but there's also the fact that he could simply avoid agitating the hulk, hence giving the Hulk no reason to get angry (hence stronger). 3) As far matching Spidey's reflexes, I would advise PRO to provide evidence of the Thor rivaling Spidey's legendary agility before we proceed with this assertion of his