Quran alone : The misled Sunni/Shia (the followers of hadith for guidance)

1. Saimiri The word used for the calf of samiri is of great importance. Usage in the Quran, not etymology is how a word should be translated. Ref to my site: The word is http://islamawakened.com... Meaning to to hasten, make speed, accelerate, be hasty, act hastily, hurry over, do speedily. ajalun - precipitation, haste. ajil - that which hastens away, transitory. ista'jala- to seek or desire to hasten, urge one to make haste in doing anything., ijlun- calf. The calf represents those who were impatient with the words of Allah and created their own guidance. You mention as merely creating a false god with.. They said, "O Moses, make for us a god just as they have gods." He said, "Indeed, you are a people behaving ignorantly. 7:138 My friend, what is a false god? The reason I ask is because the same people say 20:91 They said: "We will remain devoted to it until Moses comes back to us." This indicates they have not accept it as God (capital G) but a short term god to settle their desires until the return of Musa This minor god / false god was made by Samiri with the intention of misleading 20:88 He then produced for them a statue of a calf that emitted a sound. So they said: "This is your god and the god of Moses, but he had forgotten!" A guidance made without the approval (or from) Allah only to mislead man in other words besides Allah complete word inherently does apply to hadith. Especially when taking into consideration his words/motive and intention. ______________ Are you saying that every testamonial should be discareded (because it uses a person's perspective) without even bothering to examine it? What about testamonials in courts? _______________ I never said it shouldn't be questioned. 20.95 He said: "So what do you have to say O Samarian" Prophet Musa asked for his testimony for purposes of examining. Before I continue explaining, notice I said in the title "hadith for guidance", not historical purposes I have no problem accepting it for historical reference, but not for guidance. 2.2 That book in it no doubt IT IS THE GUIDE <---- FI HI HUDAN of the God conscious. EVERY Muslim who is on the straight path fall under the category of "God conscious" The guide however is not the prophet or anything besides Allah. He is the teacher, everyone else is a student. A testimony can be accepted if agrees to the truth only. i.e Quran says Prophet Nuhs ship was Fulki (round, circular - perfect for balance) Discoveries show us in fact it was round http://m.digitaljournal.com... ....hence we can accept it as the truth when evidence suggest so. The topic of discussion isn't about accepting hadith for historical reference or to prove it is authentic, we are speaking in regards to Allah guidance vs any other guide. _______________ What about multiple hadiths where different narraters describe the same incident? _______________ What are the last statements in the Farewell Sermon (Khutba al-Wida) which was reportedly witnessed by more than 100,000 sahaba, making it by far the most authentic hadith among the thousands of hadiths? I leave you my sahaba; you may follow any of them. I leave you the Quran; you should follow it. I leave you the Quran and Sunna; you should follow both. I leave you the Quran and Ahl-al- Bayt (my family); you should follow them. 100,000 witnesses still cant get one statement right. ______________ I don't see you point regarding how talking about a relevant portation of the teaching is wrong. _______________ It is not me who thinks this is wrong. I only follow what I know. *Allah said it was wrong and so did the Prophets and mummims with them. Your statement signifies you accept taking a portion of revelation (20:96) that Samiri was condemned for as not wrong. Do you accept the words of the calf creator? _______________ So should, for example, a doctor recite an entire medical encyclopedia in order to describe an illness for a patient? Should an Imam recite all chapters of the Quran in order to answer a question someone asked? What you imply is not realistic due to multiple obvious reasons. _______________ The concern is not about taking portions of the teachings here. It is taking portions and recreating your own desires. It is making something WITHOUT the truths approval In your scenario the medical encyclopedia or the imam who recites the full Quran have the truth. If the student gets a portion of the teachings and reproduces something that makes no sense, meaning not equal or in conjunction with the truth, it is falsified. 2. Sending down revelation: __________ don't see the connection between Israellies demanding for gardens of fruit and vegetables being sent down, and Allah sending revelation _________ Allah sends down revelations Allah sends down water Allah sends down blessings Allah sends down the angels Allah sends good things/barakat. In this narration Allah sent down manna and quail 2:57 (same as revelations, water, and blessing - ALL barakat) They say we can bear with one food alone, 2:61 i.e they can not bear with Allahs word alone. Exactly what every hadith is made for. 3. Thousands of years inbetween I did not say ALL IMAMS are bad. I mentioned FIroun to give the idea the word has no connotation. Not good or Bad You have differed from answering the Question 4. Perfection of the Quran & Following example & Asking the Quran ___________ In an educational system, it is possible for them to simply hand you the material and inform you off dates where you submit your assignments and take exams. However, they don't; they offer teachers. ___________ 96.1 Read! Who is the teacher in this passage? Are you saying Allah didnt teach us? The prophet taught the people, what he was taught from the angel, what he was taught from Allah. So this educational system has a principal, a teacher and a student advisor. Please show me in this school where other students (those who watched the student-hadith) are. The word "litubayyina" ref my site: http://islamawakened.com... The word litubayyina is a derivative of BYN, which is a multiple-meaning word. It means: (1) to reveal what is concealed; (2) to explain what is vague. The first meaning is the antonym of "hide", the second is the antonym of "make vague". Allah orders Muhammad to proclaim the revelation which is revealed to him personally. Indeed, this is the whole mission of the messengers. ____ 1. prayer ALL religious practices of prayer was established and practiced before the Quranic revelation 8:35; 9:54; 16:123; 21:73; 22:27; 28:27. Messengers after Ibrahim also practiced prayers, obligatory charity, and fasting (2:43; 3:43; 11:87; 19:31,59; 20:14; 28:27; 31:17). To go more detail Ibrahim set up salah, not Muhmmad. If you read the key words in 2.125 KEY WORDS in passage: Appointed place of pray (direction towards Kabah) STANDING place of Prophet Ibrahim ENJOYED On them what to say (the words of Allah) BOW DOWN PROSTRATE 5 Times of pray are mentioned; The Dawn is mentioned by name in 24:58. Before sunrise. The Noon Prayer is specified in 17:78. When the sun declines. The Afternoon Prayer is in 2:238. Midway between noon & sunset. The Sunset Prayer is mentioned in 11:114. Immediately after sunset. The Night Prayer is in 11:114, and is mentioned by name in 24:58. The method of praying is mentioned standing position (3:39, 39:9), the bowing and prostration positions (Rukoo' and Sajood) (2:43, 3:43, 9:112, 22:26, 22:77). (Also there is the additional pray if you want to do extra (non-compulsory) 17:79 Now.... I would like to see you evidence of "steps and number of prayer" using hadiths. 2. Hajj. Hajj is in detail within the Quran. If you speak of other additon of traditionalist i.e Stoning the devil I do not agree with the steps you have in place to go Hajj. 37:102 mentions Ibrahim saw a dream, his son agreed. NO WHERE IS THERE TEMPTATION. So why do you stone a replication (an idol) of the devil if Ibrahim wasnt tempted. Any idol is wrong, be it good or bad Yet we have an idol of the devil at hajj and are expected to accept its representation of the devil. Does that make sense in your Quran? 3. Zakat - 2.267, 2.219, 25.67 Quran asks us to spend out of what we earn and produce (i.e., from our income and production), out of what we like for ourselves, and from that which is in excess of our needs. Our needs can be understood as those for our own consumption, including needs that accommodate provisions for savings and investments for our needed future consumption. ______ You gave 33:21. There is similar content with Ibraham: "A good example has been set for you by Abraham and those with him" 60:4, 6. If verse 33:21 requires Muhammad"s hadith, then why would not the verses 60:4,6 require Ibraham"s hadith? Which books narrate hadiths from Ibraham? Obviously, the only reliable source for both examples is the Book of God, which narrates the relevant exemplary actions. It also warns us not to repeat the mistakes committed by Muhammad(33:37; 80: 1-10) 4:59 Obeying hadith is not obeying the messenger. Obeying the messenger is obeying the complete, perfect and fully detailed Quran. Verse 25:73 describes the attitude of truth-seekers towards God"s revelations. Also why do you ignore 6:19, 7:3, and 50:45, which say that the only teaching delivered by God"s messenger was the Quran. Wasn't his practice Quran alone? 5:48, 49. Wasn't this the prophets complaint about his people? 25:30 He disowned whoever thought the Quran wasn't complete and FULLY detail 6.114 His only mission was to deliver God"s message 16:35; 24:54. We also know that the Quran is a permanent messenger 65:11, and the Quran is a reminder and deliverer of good news 41:4; 11:2. So what does obeying the prophet mean? Was it not he lived to preach the book? Did he want you to follow him or the book 3:79