Solarman's Neo-con Republican picks (Romney McCain Bush) hurt our country through supporting the war

alright my kids asleep and I gotta make dinner for the wife, but I will try and respond in quick fashion here FROM YOUR ARGUMENTS (1) Putting our current debate aside for a moment, I am curious as to why you are the most losingest debater I have seen yet on this website. You are obviously quite skilled, and perhaps it is a combination of your strong opinions and the inefficiencies in the voting standards on here that are to blame for your tremendously bad winning percentage. Answer : I dont give a cr*p what the vote is. Remember that if people want to do searches, say of just my debates, they can do that way into then future and still vote So the vote is NEVER OVER Wisdom changes minds, but ONLY OVER TIME. It needs to PERCOLATE into the brain slowly but surely , through TIME (2) our situation in the middle east is significantly and utterly different than your examples provided. No it isnt. It is EXACLTY as I have painted it (3) Nazi's, japan, mussolini, Islamist Axis fighters - This situation was general, old fashioned tanks and bombs warfare. This is NOT what we are dealing with in Iraq. WRONG. You are thinking of WWI. thats why we HAD WWII. How did we end the conflict in Japan? How about SUBMARINES? How about ROCKETS, like the V2, reigning SHEER TERROR WWII WAS the WAR TO END ALL WARS We will NEVER HAVE another true world conflict like that We only have the remnants of Islam left to defeat, and then the world will be peaceful China, Russia and the big commies are pretty much toast and will NOT EVER engage in SHOOTING wars with us Schmucks like Chavez are MORONS and will be ostracized and then FORGOTTEN by history , like FIDEL will as well. (3) Consider this: If we had went into Japan AFTER they had surrendered, and tried to occupy them and tell them they need to become a democracy, for example, this would be much more like our current dillema You need to learn a little history. We DID move in an OCCUPY Both JAPAN and GERMANY after WWII, and STILL DO. AND the Phillipines AND Korea. AND many many other places. AND WE SHOULD > PERIOD. WE NEED TO BE THERE WE ARE THE ONLY NATION TO EVER WIN WARS AND NOT TAKE ANY LAND DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT? (4) I SAID "Their ability to recruit has been decimated as well- and their funding sources have been dried up", "The iraqis have turned against them and are ratting them out BECAUSE we stuck it out long enough and earned their trust." Are these sentences facts? yes they are By your logic then, we have already won and should return home anyway! Gen Patreus just announced that several divisions ARE coming home, now that the surge has in effect worked as expected, along with the counter-insurgency strategy, which has been VERY effective Patreus will go down as a GENIUS in this area. Counter-insurgency is VERY tricky and MUST involve earning the TRUST of the average person in the country. he has done so SPECTACULARLY and is a HERO (5) If the Islamists were in America pushing down Christians, they would never be able to wipe them out, "decimate" their recruitment powers, or "dr[y]" up their funding sources. Like I said before, Islam is a religion, and idea, that cannot be destroyed by tanks, bombs, or even George Bush himself. Islam will live on in the hearts and minds of the middle easterners and there will always be a need for Islam extremism while our troops are over there. The more we "win" in the sense you are purveying, the stronger their cause becomes and the more we actually do towards promoting anti-western ideologies. This is a FALLACY By your logic , opposing evil only makes evil stronger I could NOT DISAGREE MORE There is NO COMPARISION with Christians or Jews furthermore, or any other religion. Name ONE just ONE suicide bomber or terrorist who is NOT a muslim __________ (6) I SAID "these people are PURE EVIL. They will strap bombs to children and handicapped people and blow up markets" Are they? I'm glad you pointed this out, because labeling in this fashion represents how conflicts begin in the first place. WHAT ?????????????????????????????? ARE YOU KIDDING ME????????????????? (7) They say the same thing about us you know! WHAT? THAT WE BOMB CHILDREN IN DAY SCHOOLS? FLY PLANES INTO BUILDINGS? STRAP BOMBS TO CHILDREN and SEND THEM TO MURDER CHILDREN ? MACHINE GUN AIRPORTS? HIJACK PLANES please avail yourself of history http://www.prophetofdoom.net... (8) I'm sure they see our fat, rich, white a**es and think we are evil. They point out our lax morality, sexual promiscuity etc. and think we are very bad for the world indeed. They call us evil, we call them evil, and the next thing you know we are at war. My point with all this is that we have our faults as do they, and it is easier to just point them out as "insane" and "evil" then it is to look at our own faults and criticize ourselves. Are you REALLY TRYING TO SAY OUR MORAL DEFICIENCIES ARE CAUSING THEM TO BE INSANELY VIOLENT? are you excusing this behavior with some sort of MORAL EQUAIVALENCE between pornography and obesity and MURDERING PEOPLE? Are you INSANE? (9) How can you possibly call an entire people evil? I am calling ISLAM A DEATH CULT and INSPIRATIONAL OF PURE EVIL. I am NOT calling human beings who call themselves "muslim" evil per se. (10) Even if you are just talking about the Islamist extremists, it is highly unlikely that they exist as pure evil and there isn't any logic to their situation Duh ! Of COURSE there is NO LOGIC to their situation duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuh! they are INSANE and EVIL, based on the HIDEOUS DOCTRINE of ISLAM (11) I know Christian extremists, that believe everybody except those in thier particular chruch are going to hell, and I see them as sort of the opposite side of the coin to those Islamic extremists. Again, the STUPID, ANNOYING, PATHETIC attempt to smear Christians Doesnt fly. No Christian suicide bombers or killers Mostly just nice, moral people trying to be nice and actually quite charitable (12) Neither groups are inherently evil; misguided yes, but we cannot label them as evil. You see, labeling people as evil like this is just what Hitler was trying to do. Hitler's Jews are Bush's Islamists. How many germans agreed with hitler that Jews were evil, and should be wiped out? How many Americans agree with Bush that Islamists are evil and should be wiped out? I think it is interesting that both you and I use the Nazi's as examples to back our arguments, and I'm sure something is to be said for that. Huh? Bush = Hitler The Jews = Muslims Ok , genius WHERE ARE BUSHS CONCENTRATION CAMPS hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm? Where is the evil doctors doing medical experiments on prisoners like Mengele? You truly are stupid to make such a comparison HITLER AND THE MUSLIMS ARE ON THE SAME TEAM - EVIL proof http://www.prophetofdoom.net... http://www.prophetofdoom.net... (13) The fact is we have not won, and will not win. Wrong . We are winning and will win You can be a loser over in the corner if you want We will save your butts - again (14) We are just going to walk in their country, execute their leader, interfere in their civil war, and push democracy on them. Democracy must be earned. Democracy must be utterly and totally embraced by the entire population to take effect. We cannot just go over there and shove it down their throats and expect them to handle it wisely. No , THEY Hung Saddam. After a legthy TRIAL And We have pushed democracy on Germany and Japan with GREAT results The Afganis and Iraqis FREE