Abolishing tariffs, the minimum wage, and public education would help poor people.

Dextarian: If a private school performed as poorly as a public school, it would go out of business. Reply, So what your saying is that if there weren't any public schools there wouldn't be any bad grades? The only difference is that the stupid kids would be grouped in some schools and the smart in some others, The reason public schools perform so badly is that there are a wide range of students, some smart, and some not so smart, the reason that private schools perform so well is that the only kids who go to them are the rich kid's, who can hire help, or the REALLY smart kids who get scholarships there, so the only reason private schools are "better" is because the pool from which they draw their students is far more refined, not because they are magical places that make people perform better. Dextarian: It is government providing public schools that ups the cost of private schools Reply Yes, but to an extent, and once the system really gets into full effect and the price wars stop, some will be far more expensive than public schools are now, and that's where the smart kids will go because they will be better schools, and at the other end of the spectrum there will be schools far cheaper than public schools cost (by cost I mean money spent per pupil) and those will spring up in the poorer areas, and those schools will be worse, and wont teach children to nearly the same level as the nice schools do. At least right now every student has the same amount of money spent on them (or at least on paper) so they could all have equal chances, If you let schools that cost more than a certain class can afford that's where true discrimination comes in, when one class CAN'T get the same opportunity for education as another, at least in public schools a poor kid has the same chance as a rich kid. Dextarian: A poor person can't send their kid to a private school, because the public school they go to will always undercut the price of the private school Reply: true, but it doesn't make a difference if the private school they go to is worse than a public school, which is more likely since the good teachers will demand more pay than the bad teachers, and the good schools will charge more than the bad schools. IDONTCARE: "Not if you want to know multiplication, Division, nouns, verbs, Algebra, more than the 8 planets of the solar system, pronouns, adj. adv. Pressure, buoyancy, do I need to continue?..." Dextarian: Reply: This next paragraph is a little disjointed and grammatically incorrect, so I'm not sure what point you are trying to make. Reply: my point is that you don't learn to much in grades k-3 and that the SAT's test on the "basic" information that is assumed that everyone knows, and that that material is learned in grade 4-12, if there was no unified curriculum, which is what is suggested, for the schools how does a test like that operate? Colleges need a standardized test that compares ALL of the possible applicants, if every school had its own those results would mean anything. Dextarian: What you are leaving out is the cost of other goods. If the company could lower their pay, they can also lower their prices, and take up more market share, and make more profit. So it isn't x vs. x+4, … Reply The purpose of that wasn't to explain how a company works it was to show that an employer will always want to pay its employees as little as possible, Dextarian: So my options are, hire a person with no skill for 5 dollars or hire a person with more skill for 8 dollars. Now suppose the government forces me to pay a person at least 8 dollars. Who am I going to hire? Reply: your logic makes no sense, if the government required you to pay someone $8 you couldn't pay someone $5, none the less the person with skill would be hired, Why? Because people with skill, or with experience in a particular area are going to be paid more because skill pays, you've said that 3 time now in different wording, and I've said the same thing 2 times now all MINIMUM WAGE DOES IS STOP UNSKILLED WORKERS FORM STARVING TO DEATH!!!!!! If they got paid what they deserve they couldn't have a place to live, or a phone line or proper clothes, then if they got fired they wouldn't be able to get a job because they don't have a home, even of they got experience in their last job. Idontcare:And your part about tariffs was never one of your point's " Dextarian Reply: You need to read the whole argument before typing. Start with the title. Reply: I can't find it now but something you said about them sounded like you wanted tariffs, it's not that I didn't think tariffs were part of this debate. Dextarian: What you are ignoring are the indirect effects of abolishing tariffs. Suppose we erect a tariff on sugar. That means the cost of sugar is higher. If I had a company that made candy canes, that would mean my prices would go up, so I might move my factory elsewhere. Reply: What you fail to realize is the cost of the tariff vs. the cost moving a factory and then the overseas shipping, let's say that tariff on sugar was 1 dollar per 1000 pounds, and that the company had three factories operating in the U.S. (it's a small company) they use 10 pounds of sugar per 5 boxes of candy canes, that's less than a 2 cent increase on the boxes of candy canes. Or they can pack up and move, based just on those costs the cost to build 3 new factories and ship their boxes overseas is more than 2 cents per box, which option do you think they will take? So even if you don't think they protect jobs, they do. Also they increase the chances of a company using American made products instead of foreign ones, creating a demand for American products, causing more factories, mills and other producing facilities, most of which need workers. My opinion is that getting rid of public schools, tariffs, and the minimum wage is not only a bad idea, but will also make a greater division between the wealthy and the poor. Nice debating with you.