The Christian god sends aborted babies to hell.

Rebuttal "I suspect Pro will agree with my first premise" Yup. "I'm pretty sure Pro will object to my second premise on the basis that David claimed to be sinful from his mother's womb (Psalm 51:5). To that, I have a few responses" Yup. "David's claim can be taken as hyperbole. He means to emphasize the depth of his depravity. In American culture, when somebody is really proficient at something, like playing the banjo for example, we sometimes say things like, "He was born with a banjo in his hands." But we don't mean that literally. We just mean they're really good at it. The same thing is true of David. When he says he is sinful from his mother's womb, he just means he's an awful sinner." Indeed. Practically any claim made in the Bible can be taken as a hyperbole. There isn't sufficient evidence to think that Psalm 51:5 is actually a hyperbole, unless the rest of the Bible indicates that babies aren't born sinful, or perhaps an indication of such. This is completely up for debate still. Please give a reason why you think it is a hyperbole other than that hyperboles exist. "Psalm 51:5 says that David was sinful from the time his mother conceived him. It's impossible for that to be literally true because sin requires the faculty of volition, and volition requires mental states such as intention, desire, and the ability to act. A cluster of cells is completely incapable of having any cognition whatsoever, and it is also incapable of making any choices or taking any action. So it is impossible for David to have literally been sinful from the moment of his conception." I would like Biblical evidence for the "sin requires the faculty of volition" statement, which this entire argument relies on. "The whole of Ezekiel 18 argues against children sharing in the guilt of the sins of their parents. So not only do the unborn have no sin of their own, but neither do they bear the sins of their parents." Ezekiel 18 is way too long to quote, so I will give a link to it here: https://www.biblegateway.com... Please read the entire chapter and come back. This entire chapter argues that a son will not bear the consequences of their parents sin. The story given in this chapter is also a hypothetical situation in which they have a presumable "perfect" son. Everything from Ezekiel 18:1-20 is summed up in Ezekiel 18:20 which says, "The one who sins is the one who will die. The child will not share the guilt of the parent, nor will the parent share the guilt of the child. The righteousness of the righteous will be credited to them, and the wickedness of the wicked will be charged against them." This does not mean babies are born unsinful. The conclusion you made is non sequitur. Please point out in Ezekiel 18 where it says the unborn have no sin of their own. "In Isaiah 7, there's a prophecy about the birth of Immanuel. In verses 15-16 it says that Immanuel "will be eating curds and honey when he knows enough to reject the wrong and choose the right,for before the boy knows enough to reject the wrong and choose the right, the land of the two kings you dread will be laid waste." This passage shows that people are not born with the ability to act morally (i.e. to choose between right and wrong). Rather, it's something they acquire some time after birth. It follows that the unborn lack this capacity and are therefore incapable of sin." Again, the conclusion here is a non sequitur. You jump from not know how to choose right from wrong to not being able to sin. This passage shows that babies are unable to make the right decisions, not that they aren't making wrong decisions. It does not follow that the unborn lack this capacity and are therefore incapable of sin. They may not be conscious of their wrong doing, but that doesn't give them an excuse for sinning, at least not according to the Bible. "Nobody can be morally accountable for what they don't know. Jesus said, "If you were blind, you would not be guilty of sin; but now that you claim you can see, your guilt remains" (John 9:41). He also said, "If I had not come and spoken to them, they would not be guilty of sin; but now they have no excuse for their sin" (John 15:22). James writes, "If anyone, then, knows the good they ought to do and doesn’t do it, it is sin for them" (James 4:17). Notice the condition James places on sinning. Before one can sin, they must first know the good they ought to do. But the unborn know nothing at all. From the moment of conception, they don't even have brains. The brain developes some time later. So it's impossible for the unborn to know right from wrong, which means it's impossible for them to be guilty of sin." For this, I will have to go passage by passage. John 9 talks about a miracle Jesus did. Jesus healed a blind man. Then some pharisees came to stir up trouble. Please read John 9:35-41 which contains the majority of the important information. Here is a link: https://www.biblegateway.com... The title of this section in the NIV Bible is "Spiritual Blindness" which indicates that Jesus isn't talking about our eyes, but instead our beliefs. This not only makes the passages make more sense, but it also justifies the title. That being said, here is some commentary I found explaining what Jesus meant, since it was rather cryptic: http://www.studylight.org... Those who do not see are the ones who are spiritually blind. Jesus came to reveal the true son of god to them, that they may see. Those who see are the ones who are not worshiping the real god [note that this is different from the ones who now see from the previous sentence]. Jesus will make those people blind, showing them that their god is false, since he is the real son of god. Please read John 15:18-25 Link: https://www.biblegateway.com... By using the context of the passage, we that 'them' was Jesus was talking about the whole world. Since Jesus prophesied about everything he would do [starting in Genesis 3:14] and now Jesus is fulfilling said prophecies, nobody in the world has an excuse for sinning, even babies.James 4:17 doesn't define sinning. It only gives an example of sinning. Exodus 20:1-17, Galatians 5:19-21, and Colossians 3:5-6 are a larger but still incomplete list of sins. The condition that James gives is only for that type of sin.Rebuttal directly against Premise 2Premise 2 says "Aborted babies are without sin." I will now present a large list of passages that support the concept of original sin, the idea that the moment somebody is conceived, they have sin. I hope that my opponent can go through each and every passage and give a justified interpretation for each one explaining how it is not evidence for original sin.Note: In Round 1, I never stated that passages in the Bible can't contradict eachother. These passages I will present will completely contradict all 5 arguments you gave for defending premise 2, if any of them still hold true after I refuted them. The best way to handle a situation like this would be that the person with the most evidence wins this argument? By evidence, I mean Bible passages supporting the concept of course.Some of these I will give a short explanation for. Others are really long and I will give a link to read it.1) Psalm 51:5 "Surely I was sinful from birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me."2) Ephesians 2:2-3 https://www.biblegateway.com... We were by nature deserving of wrath.3) Genesis 8:21 https://www.biblegateway.com...4) Romans 3:23 "For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of god"5) James 1:15 "Then, after desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, gives birth to death." Notice that death is a result of sin, hence aborted babies are sinners.6) Isaiah 64:6 "All of us have become like one who is unclean, and all our righteous acts are like filthy rags; we all shrivel up like a leaf,and like the wind our sins sweep us away." We are all unclean, including babies.7) Romans 3:20 "Therefore no one will be declared righteous in God’s sight by the works of the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of our sin." When we look at the god's law written in the Bible, nobody is righteous and we become conscious of our sin.Thank you and good luck. I look forward to seeing my opponent's rebuttal to my opening argument.