JC was NOT the messiah

Bs'd Opponent claimed that "Opponent has yet to make the big important connection that the prophecies are trustworthy and that those who fulfill it are definitely messiahs, and those who do not are not messiahs." That viewpoint is, of course, WRONG. I don't have to proof the prophecies are reliable. If they are not, if they would be a lie, God forbid, then the concept of "messiah" wouldn't even get started. Then there is no such a thing as a "messiah". And because I claim that JC was NOT the messiah, there is no need for me to prove the prophecies to be trustworthy. That would only be the case for somebody who wants to proof somebody the messiah, while I do the opposite. So that claim can be discarded. And this claim: " I have shown how Jesus is indeed a deliverer who fulfills the definition of "messiah"." is of course nonsense, a picture of JC delivering a pizza is not proving anything. And bringing OT texts which have no bearing whatsoever on the messiah, and presenting those as "messianic prophecies fulfilled by JC", that of course proves also nothing. And that is what opponent did. For more about that subject look here: https://sites.google.com... When you rip random OT text which have no bearing on the messiah whatsoever out of context, and then present them as "messianic prophecies fuflilled by JC", then you can make everybody you want the messiah, be it Barak Obama, Napoleon Bonaparte, or David Koresh. Examples of that we can see here: A Chassidic Rabbi Makes a Startling Discovery My name is Moshe and I am a Chassidic Jew who has, from my youth, learned the words of our Holy Prophets, and has been puzzled by their meaning. Then, on the day before Yom Kippur, I contemplated the solemnity of the day and was made aware of the amazing meaning of G-d's words. I recognized the fulfillment of 42 Messianic prophecies of the Tenach, and they changed my life forever. 1. Early in the morning I went to get my rooster to fulfill the ancient custom. There in the light I looked into his eyes and saw fulfilled the words, 'I am the rooster* who has seen affliction.' (Lam. 3:1) 2. I took him and swung him around my head as the verse says, 'And he circled his head**.' (Lam 3:5) 3. I moved my hands as I swirled him, as it says, 'Only against me did he turn his hand.' (Lam 3:3) 4. With this he leaped from my hand and started to run. As it says, 'They have run away without seeing good.' (Job 9:25) 5. I cried a short pray to HaShem as it says, 'My words I say out of the bitterness of my soul.' (Job 10:1) 6. He ran from me, fulfilling the verse, 'To me they showed their back and not their face.' (Jer. 32:33) 7/8. I borrowed a cane from a man near me so as to catch him with the rounded edge, as the verse says, 'And Moshe took the stick.' (Ex. 4:20, Num 20:8) 9/10. I tried to catch him with the hook, but only the blows of the cane hit his back as it says, 'Afflicted by the rod of his anger.' (Lam. 3:1 and it also says, 'I struck you with the blows of an enemy.' (Jer. 30:12) 11. He turned to me and I got him right on the cheek fulfilling the verse, 'I have offered my cheek to the one who strikes me.' (Lam. 3:30) 12. He ran from me into a dark corner and I followed after him, as the verse says, 'He has led me and driven me into the darkness and not light.' (Lam. 3:2) 13. I had him there in the corner as it says; 'All her pursuers overtook her in the small place.' (Lam. 1:3) 14. He stood there silent, as he had been to this time in fulfillment of the words of the prophet, 'He was persecuted and afflicted, be he did not open his mouth.' (Is. 53:7) 15. In that corner there was just nowhere for him to hide from me as the verse says, 'Can a person hide in a concealed place, and I should not see him?' (Jer. 23:25) 16. He was now trapped as the verse says, 'He has walled me in so I cannot escape.' (Lam. 3:7) 17. In his eyes I could see him praying silently to HaShem, 'My G-d my G-d why have you forsaken me?' (Psalm 22:1) 18. Clearly it was fulfilled for him, 'The mighty ones of Bashan encircle me.' (Psalm 22:13) 19. I grabbed him and he started to call out to HaShem. As the verse says, 'My G-d, I call to you by day and you do not answer and by night and there is no respite.' (Psalm 22:3) 20. But there was no answer as it says, 'Though I would scream out and plead he shut out my prayer.' (Lam. 3:8) 21. It was clearly the end. I grabbed him and took my place in the line waiting to give my rooster to the shochet (ritual slaughterer.) He was silent, 'Like a sheep being led to the slaughter or a ewe to her sharers he did not open his mouth.' (Is. 53:7) 22. The shochet took him by the neck as it says; 'He grasped me by the neck.' (Job 16:12) 23. With that he screamed out, 'Be not far from me because distress is near and there is none to help me.' (Psalm 22:12) 24. He also said, 'Save my soul from the sword.' (Psalm 22:21) 25. He slaughtered him fulfilling 'He was removed from the living land.' (Is. 53:8) 26. He let the blood fall on the floor, as it says, 'I am poured out like water.' (Psalm 22:15) 27. I took the dead chicken and gazed at it as the prophet says, 'They have looked upon me whom they have pierced.' (Zech 12:10) 28/29. I took it to be made kosher. We separated it into pieces snapping it's bones as the verses say, 'All my bones became disjointed.' (Psalm 22:15) 'He has broken my bones.' (Lam 3:4) 30. Then I took him home to cook. My wife removed the skin as it says, 'He has worn away my flesh and skin.' (Lam. 3:4) 31. She placed him in a pot with water, as it says, 'For the waters have reached unto my soul.' (Psalm 69:2) 32. She added many spices as it says, 'And she gave ...many spices.' (1 Kings 10:10) 33. She covered up the pot so it could cook as it says; 'He has placed me in darkness.' (Lam 3:6) 34. The smell of it filled the room as it says, 'That the spices may flow out.' (Song 4:16) 35. After that it was served on the table and we gazed upon it as the verse says, 'I count my bones and they gaze and look upon me.' (Psalm 22:18) 36. He was divided among the members of my family, as it says, 'Therefore I will divide him among the many.' (Is. 53:12) 37/38. We rejoiced and sang as we ate him, as it says, 'I have become a thing of laughter for my people, they sing all day long.' (Lam. 3:14) 'In him our hearts were joyful.' (Psalm 33:21) 39/40/41. After which we were full and praised G-d as it says, 'You shall eat and be satisfied and praise HaShem your G-d.' (Deut. 6:11,8:10,11:15). 42. We truly saw the goodness of G-d as it say, 'You should taste and see that HaShem is good.' (Psalm 34:9) There were many more messianic prophecies that I could have added that applied to my messianic rooster. Many more he will fulfill when he comes back. In all seriousness the above example is no different then the lists claiming 200/300/400 prophecies fulfilled by Jesus. They claim the odds against a single person fulfilling them are astronomical. Or of their claims that passages like Psalms 22, or Isaiah 53 are about their messiah/god. Consider this well when you see or hear the claims made by missionaries or just simple Christians who you may meet. If not there may be a prophecy that does really apply: 'They are a people bereft of council and they don't have understanding.' * In Hebrew the word 'gever' means both 'man' and 'rooster'berew ** In Hebrew the word is resh aleph shin, which can be read as 'rosh' head' (c) Moshe Shulman, 2000 So the authentic messianic prophecies are NOT fulfilled by JC, as shown before. If you believe those messianic prophecies are not authentic, then for sure he was not the messiah, then there is no such a thing as a messiah. The opponent bringing big amounts of non-pertinent verses proves nothing. If he wants to prove that JC was the messiah, then he has to post clear messianic prophecies here, and prove that they are messianic prophecies, and prove that they are fulfilled by JC. He has done nothing of that yet, so he didn't prove anything. Opponent has done nothing like that, so he didn't bring any proof for JC being the messiah.