Altruistic behavior is impossible. (psychological egoism)

You seem eager to learn but you seem too anchored in your logical view of the world. Logic, as I said, is deterministic. Given inputs will only lead to the same output using logic...otherwise our logic system will be inconsistent. Therefore if we are to debate any subject whatsoever, the weather outside, the taste of tomatoes, whatever, we both use the same logic. and I think we have both proved we can make logical reasoning (it's not that difficult actually). Actually if one of us would be misusing logical reasoning, this would not be a debate, it would be teaching. So we could only debate the inputs. The inputs can only be definitions of axioms. Definitions should be easy to agree on, they are just the way we name things. Axioms are beliefs. So, basically, if there is anything to debate in any debate, unless again one of the arguers is purely illogical, is beliefs. Moreover, you have stated "There is nothing that can not be explained by logic.". Take mathematics which purely logical and G"del's 1st theorem of incompleteness: "Any effectively generated theory capable of expressing elementary arithmetic cannot be both consistent and complete. ". It basically says that any arithmetic like axiomatic system either contradicts itself or has unanswered questions. So there are things that can't be explained by logic and reasoning. Logic is an imperfect system. You have asked for an explanation of altruism. And not just any explanation, but one that conforms to your sense of logic. I can't give you that. I tried to explain to you that if you are looking for logical reasons for this, I think you should be using a different kind of logic, a different kind of perception. Just to make an analogy, imagine a logical system with 3 values of truth and not just 2 as we use (the true and false one). Maybe there is a more comprehensive system with 3 or 4 or more values. Or maybe one. I only told you that to give you a bit of an idea of what I mean, but as I said it is something unexplainable in logical terms and it is something I don't know either. Yes, it's true, it is a belief, I just believe in this system. And my belief is not based on logic, it couldn't be...logic is restricted to itself. This superior system is factual...it relies on facts. You can see it at work in people actually being altruistic, in the actions of Saints, in the actions of other wise people of other cultures which have come to a certain understanding of the world. It is something related to actual reality and not just words. As I said you are fabricating theories to bring down the world to your level of understanding, while you should be the one trying to raise yourself to the point where you can actually understand the facts. But again, I repeat myself, you have challenged me for an explanation and I gave you the best I could. It is true, I can't explain altruism by logic. Just as I can't explain love. I can't accept your definition of love and I find it sad that you believe it as such. But maybe it's just that you are younger - and I am not being condescend but people do change in life and there are certain things that only time and age teaches you and you can't get them otherwise. But the thing is I don't have to explain it by logic. You have asked if altruism is possible and I showed it to you. I gave examples. I constructed a theory in which people take decision against their self interest. You are "seeing" them but you don't believe them because they make no logic to you. So you just choose to imagine that there is some logic beneath their behavior that we just don't know but it's there. This is a belief also, just like the belief in God. It's just a different god: you are setting the human reasoning as your god. And it's the wrong one if you ask me. That's it from me. I'd be more than glad to discuss this and others by messages without being restricted to 5 arguments limited in characters and to a certain topic. Good luck to you too!