Christians should refrain from going to anti-gay rallies.

Nit picking huh? I was not aware I had ignored part of your argument by leaving it out, I thought I was very careful to address it all. I apologize for the grammar, I accidentally skipped a word. looks like I've lost the spelling & grammar point unless the voter's are merciful. What I meant to say was It would be better to tell the man why porn and heroin is not good for him right now. The consequences in this life should concern just as much as the next. You see, based on the premise that comes with Christian philosophy that God's commands are not frivolous, tedious, or pointless, they are for are for our good, we can conclude that should his will for us say to not do something then that something we should not do is harmful in some sense to us should we participate in it. Like in Leviticus God tells his people to not touch people who are declared unclean for whatever disease they might have. Today we know enough about disease to see that obeying this command kept them from catching the disease. Yes Kirk and Ray do walk up to people and talk to them, that is sensible. I do not wish to convey that talking to people is a bad way of testifying, only that they did not become friends with the people they talked to and they consistently use the bible and its references to hell as they witness. The reactions were not all negative. Talking about hell seems to fit your portrayal of 'beating them over the head with the bible' and yet it works out for these guy's most of the time. Would you like to be more specific as to what you mean, I do know you don't want to beat people up; that was an attempt at sarcasm on my part. ;) All this though is a little distracting from the debate, concerning the rallies. Thank you for providing a source that showed an example of brief violence. The problem is this qualifies as the fallacy of hasty generalization. http://www.nizkor.org... Just because some rallies are conducted without taste or maturity does not mean they all do. Even if you can prove that most of them are held in such a poor manner, is that not all the more reason to go and try to change them by example? You say that Christians will not reformat their rallies, it will always be this way. But if you and I can agree this is not way it should be done, both Christians, does that not indicate they can be convinced to grow up in the way they hold these rallies? Talking with individuals is great, but just because that method of advocating a particular truth is good does not mean we can so easily discount the importance of a 'public' presence in our nation. Their are no other way's we can do that without holding a rally of some sort. You showed the example of video #2 that shows the media is very willing to give attention to crazy people, it is easy to make a spectacle out of such people and increase ratings. But people who act in a respectful way can hardly get any attention in the media to make that public presence. Our only option is to do something that is a spectacle in itself, hopefully in a manner that is mature and conveys the love we wish to show because that is important too. Any time Ezekiel prophesied is was in a public stunt like format that caught the peoples attention. The Christians that are giving us a bad name at these rallies are never going to quit making fools of us even if they read this debate. they are not reasonable people. So this makes it all the more important that we fight to make sure at least on drop in bucket of the public presence Christians have is represented well, rather than let it all be taken up by crazy, unloving Christians. One more thing, would you consider this website to be a peaceful one, at the very least in concept? I look forward to your response.