The categorizations of "Good" and "bad" are illusions and nothing more. (and so is morality)

"The problem with your thinking is not something that can be overcome with logic. You have completely discredited the human mind in all perceptions, and therefore your argument is simply too abstract to be debated." Listen, if you do not like the nature of the debate to which YOU ACCEPTED, then just stop debating. I ponder; I speculate…I am quite aware that many people have distaste for such idle pondering, but I have been using nothing but logic. IS it too abstract? Or must you begin speculation, also. No, I simply state, quite factually, that the Human mind has instincts and structures, which make it see the world in certain ways. "First, you have absolutely no true evidence that there is no purpose for anything, that the particles just "exist" with no reason or goal." I quoted the real point, and not the personal attacks, fro the record….and you have no evidence to the contrary…particles do not have brains, and therefore do not have goals…I thought this was something that went without saying. Anyways, I will elaborate if so is your desire. Someone eats a pizza, what is the goal? To discontinue the state of hunger. What is the goal of discontinuing the state of hunger? To remain alive. What is the purpose to staying alive? To continue the human race. What then is the purpose to continuing the human race? Nothing. You see, it is purely logical. In the end, nothing has any goal, because everything is cause and reaction, and things happen because it was fated so, not because it is working towards a goal. "The problem with your thinking is that it is a classic thinking of those who want to go through life with no responsibility, no goal, no drive, no purpose, and most importantly, no accountability for their actions." More personal attacks…Little unnecessary, don't you think? I already addressed this, though you may not have caught it…go back to my first argument. What you don't seem to understand, is that though my rational mind knows that good and bad are non-existent, my mind that controls my actions, which must follow the embedded formula that says that continuing the human race is "good", and makes it so that I can not attain this state of liberation. Also, being a Taoist, I do not attempt to defy my instinctual brain…when at al possible…AS I like to say…As much as we may come to understand our psychologies, we are still slaves to them. "Another problem with how abstract your thinking is would be the idea that there is no limit to how illogical you can really get. Ever seen the matrix? "there is no spoon"...right? According to your logic, it really doesn't matter that we are even having this debate, because neither of us are right or wrong, as a matter of fact, we are not even opposing eachother because there is no such thing as opposition. Really, whos to say you are even having this debate, it could all be an illusion, in your mind. Im not really here, this website doesn't exist, the computer you are typing on isn't really there. Your argument lacks two very important things, logic and foundation." It doesn't matter whether we have this debate. I am right…you are wrong 8?), THESE SEPARATE ENTITIES THAT ARE Harlan AND Mike do have the illusions of separate goals that create opposition, but these entities are. Though tis' highly, highly improbable, it IS possible that I am not having this debate…could be a dream….I could be hallucinating…It could be the year 2450, and I am actually a Frenchman of the age of 46, who has had his memory wiped, and am now in a virtual reality thing. Our whole worlds are just signals received by the brain. That is a fact, by the way. Actually, it is very logical. "Finally, the third problem with your debate is the arrogance..."if you think there is a cause, then please share so I may pick it apart"..."you obviously don't understand determinism at all, I can see". You have no desire to hear another side, just to belittle it. And more importantly, as I see right through you, you don't even really want to advance your ideas, you want to advance yourself. Your goal is not to convince others of your ideas, but convince them of how smart harlan is, and how he is intellectually above his opponent. This is not debating, this is condescending and arrogance. It does not help my friend." You can take the fun out of debating, you know that? I do want to hear the other side, why would I have started the debate. You are very insulting, and I think any viewer can tell that my opponent is only concentrating on personal attacks, this round. I do, in fact, want you to believe my ideas, if every single person who read this was convinced to my argument, I would be elated to know that more people have come to terms with my understanding of things and my philosophies. I could care less what some strangers, who I will never meet, think of me. I only treat you as an equal, and I should hope you do the same for me. I have only been debating, in the same way any one else would debate. You are the one, in fact, who has suddenly, this round, spent the whole time engaging me, in an extremely attacking manner. "Eventually you will need to realize something...there is a such thing as truth. There is a such thing as "is" and "isn't". People are free to choose what they think right and wrong is, that has to do with their religious beliefs. They can believe the ten commandments constitute morality, or the koran, or any belief system. That governs an individuals morality. However, the abstract ideas that you have presented are illogical, unproven, and quite frankly, ridiculous." Sure, they can "believe" that, but that does not make it true. They are still under the illusion that there is good and bad. You have now began making the argument that good and bad exist, because it is what peole believe, when something solely exists within someone's mind, than it is, in fact, an illusion: ILLUSION: "Psychology. a perception, as of visual stimuli (optical illusion), that represents what is perceived in a way different from the way it is in reality." -Dictionary.com You also simply state my argument "is illogical, unproven, and quite frankly, ridiculous", but you leave it at that while never showing WHY it is illogical, while I have presented plenty of logic, You cannot "prove" philosophical theories, only present logic for them, you're argument, too, is un-proven, so that is just a tad hypocritical, don't you agree? Why is my argument ridiculous? Because it is different than what most people believe? In my view, you're argument is illogical also, but I at least have some respect…I can understand you're side and would not say flat out that, in essence, is "ridiculous". "The difference between our arguments, is that yours comes from a mind that doesn't believe the mind has any credibility in determining truth, or anything real for that matter. That means that you can't actually believe that your argument can be truth, or even real. Its all an illusion to you. If you think that you are right in any way, you contradict yourself, and all of your credibility actually does disappear. Just think a little more realistically." Wow!, you just directly insulted the very essence of my mind itself,…lay off, man! We can never be 100% sure of anything, so though my rational mind is not "sure" that what I say is truth, I believe that it is true…That is my opinion that I am entitled to, the same as you are entitled to yours, my friend. I will answer youre final part in the comments forum, as I appear to have run out pof room.