Another race besides caucasian being a brain surgeon

You picked out my weakest example while ignoring the others, but I will indulge you. That 'peanut farmer' was not actually a farmer. He, as I said, developed hundreds of applications for farm products. He revolutionised the industry of the south, and if you lived in the south at that time, you would be quite grateful. Times magazine even went so far as to call him the 'black Leonardo' and he challenged the views at the time that black people were intellectually inferior. Also, every single one of your examples of non-African American (I won't say white, because not all of them are) are from a background that allowed a formal education to nurture any intelligence they had, while most of the African American inventors/scientists were born in slavery and were self taught. Therefore I believe that they can not be compared. Yes, I used Google to find these Black scientists/inventors, but only for specifics. I definitely knew there were black scientists and inventors and also knew many of them by name. Just because you haven't heard of them it doesn't mean nobody else has. "I don't want to be that 1 in 100 millionth that just happens to get that Dr. who was given a "golden ticket" because of his minority status." As I have said before, there will not be any brain surgeons with a 'golden ticket'. Anyone applying for the position with anything below the right amount of skill or qualifications will not get the job. Just as you won't gamble with your health, neither will the hospitals. It is not the same as giving the job to an African American in some office somewhere typing on a computer, it is life and death. Imagine what would happen if this scenario did come true and an under qualified African American killed someone; anyone connected with hiring them would get fired and it would be an international scandal, not to mention the millions that the family would sue the hospital for. Your university example doesn't say whether the African Americans were under qualified for the university, only that Bakke was more qualified than them. Bakke could have been exemplatory but late in application. It doesn't say that the African Americans were at all less able at becoming a brain surgeon than the other Caucasians at the university, only that that individual (Bakke) was more gifted. Therefore, there could be Caucasian students there that were less qualified than Bakke, but these are not out in the open because they are all Caucasian. You don't know. This example has so many holes in it. You could even say that Bakke might have had a lower skill level than the other Caucasians there and could only get in by pointing out that he has better grades than the African American. He could be of a lower skill than the other Caucasians, but of course you wouldn't have a problem with this because they are both white. In England, it is voluntary to give your ethnicity on application forms, I don't know about America, so I can't comment. "Which brings me back to the point that not everyone gets a job because they are qualified. Thanks for opening that door for me." George Bush was legally elected by the American People. Therefore, in the eyes of the law, he was more than qualified. You do not vote for brain surgeons, so your comparison is irrelevant. "You realize he has his own speech writer?" But you also said: "He's only articulate when he has a speech prepared, when he's in a regular town hall meeting, he stumbles and studders practically ever sentence." Therefore you are referring to when he has no prepared speech. So, he has no speech writer for this, and every point I made about the reasons for his stutters are valid. "You realize in the western world there are people.. right this very second who can't read, yet they also have their grade 12?" Grade 12 in England is equivalent to completing your A levels, or it could be said that it is equivalent to finishing high school because the differences in the education systems. There is no way I could ever imagine a scenario, where someone finishes high school, let alone A levels without being able to read. It is impossible. The world not perfect, but it is not as retarded as you claim or may think it is. Thank you for a lovely debate, I hope I have enlightened you on at least some issues.