Best General of WW2

"So my counterpart exaggerates. I don't know why he's telling me that he was "Doomed" Rommel was doomed because he was beaten from Egypt and was recieving little support from Hitler. He outran his own logistics that he was in charge of. " Patton was benched because of his behavior in Italy. So he didn't participate directly in D-day." Never gave Patton any credit for his particpation in D-Day, "He gives Monty credit and says Ike caused a delay in the end of the war, but it was Monty's disastrous Market Garden campaign that did that." He approved it. Nothing more, nothing less. I give Monty credit when it is due and give Ike where credit is due. Monty's Market Garden campaign prolonged the war, but Eisenhower approved it, while also delegating resources for it. "Second Patton took Rome in 30 days after landing in Italy." No that was Clark who took Rome in June of 1944. Took around six months because of the Battle of Monte Cassino. " Ike's brilliance lay in the fact that he could take people with huge egos and stubborn opinions and get them to work together and bring about success. Churchill, De Gaul, Roosevelt, Patton, Monty are the kind of people he had to deal with." Why did I call him a great manager? Because he could do that, counter balancing every ego he had come across. That was made him a great manager. Not a great general. "By the way, what historians think Ike screwed up? I'd like to see some names." Stephen Ambrose is the only one I can think of, along with Dick Morris, though I do not consider him a historian. "In regard to Italy again my counterpart is off his nut. First airborne was used in Husky in Sicily NOT IN AVALANCHE. " My opponent believes that I said Avalanche was the first time airborne was used by the Allies. I said no such thing. I referenced Avalanche because that was the beginning of the invasion of Italy. Took two years to take Italy. The only campaign where the Allies suffered more heavily than the Germans, (excluding surrendered forces). In contrast, it took about eleven months to take both France, Belgium, Western Germany, the Low Countries, and Holland. "Now, my counterpart neglects to give credit where credit is due. Without Rommel and Guderian his beloved Manstein would not have been successful in taking France." Con believes I neglect to give credit. I gave credit to Gueridan because he helped with the Manstein plan, gave others credit for the Battle of France because Manstein didn't lead it like Con believes. Manstein did have a stable of talent just like Ike. But no, Manstein did not have "a hell of allot more to work with than Ike did". Manstein was a brilliant general, who implemented Gueridan's tactics, a brilliant general who stood up to Hitler just like Guerdian. Manstein and Gueridan are perhaps the greatest generals in World War II. While Ike had to counterbalance different egos and people, he never had to deal with Hitler like Manstein and Guerdian. "My counterpart completely ignores Ike's brilliance with the Pas de Calais deception." No I do not. I neglected to address it in my previous argument, but I will address it now. My opponent says in the first round he built an entire invasion force out of rubber and wood and failed to mention the other two reasons why the deception worked. So I shall do it for him. The physical deception wasn't very needed due to almost nil German aerial recon and uncontrolled German agents. The credit should be due to the use of wireless traffic and the double agents Britain had managed to turn. These are the reasons Operation Fortitude is considered successful. The long term view taken by British Intelligence to cultivate these agents as channels of disinformation to the enemy. "The use of Ultra decrypts of machine-encrypted messages between Abwehr and the German High Command, which quickly indicated the effectiveness of deception tactics. This is one of the early uses of a closed-loop deception system. The messages were usually encrypted by Fish rather than Enigma machines. R V Jones, the Assistant Director Intelligence (Science) at the British Air Ministry insisted for reasons of tactical deception that for every radar station attacked within the real invasion area, two were to be attacked outside it. The extensive nature of the German Intelligence machinery, and the rivalry amongst the various elements. General George S Patton was considered the Allies' best General and the German High Command believed he would lead the attack." http://en.wikipedia.org... http://en.wikipedia.org... http://en.wikipedia.org...(World_War_II)