Evolutionary science is a metaphysical research programme

Hi Burncastle, thanks very much again for your responses to my points. However, I was a little disappointed in your very weak rebuttal of my main argument. Picking and choosing premises and not following them through. I was going to just forfeit this debate, as I can see much wrong in your logic, then I realized you should be the one forfeiting as below. You are going around in circles really. That's a shame honestly. However, I'll make a few more points and finish there. You"re welcome to finish off, but keep it clean as I said. Remember any ad hominems will just further prove my point on it. I know you have so far and again I respect you very much for your impeccable conduct on such an emotive issue. No, I'm not going to define evolution for you, as you as the expert never do for me or change it when it suits. That's THE problem unfortunately. However, when I was walking around the British Library the other day, I heard a reference to Darwin being made. It was a school teacher telling children that they learned about Darwin when they learned that they all came from dinosaurs and monkeys. That is not a lie, I promise you. So, in effect I now have a conceived idea of it in my mind of it, yes. And no, I didn"t imagine it. Kinds - I think you have a generally conceived idea in your mind otherwise you would not have dismissed it in your mind already. So that definition you dismissed in your mind is probably the one we both generally agree on, and it"s irrelevant for this debate. You have picked the tiniest element in my statement and tried to make a point of it. Nice try. Your point on Newton. Ok, I think you understand where I'm coming from this, it's just circular reasoning and you have unfortunately again proven it to me. Remember scale is so important, and WHY would science challenge my belief in God? You have proved my argument here and should therefore forfeit this debate really, but I won"t ask you too because I am learning. Agenda? I was inferring that in totality the science has proven possibly only a very small amount of total human evolution. Why? Because of the mind aspects, that's all. Which in my opinion is the biggest part if you want to get me to believe in the theory. Your mind is dependent upon your brain, so therefore you are saying the source is material, Ok so my main argument that you did not refute in any logical way, still stands. So are you saying mentally impaired people, because of their physical brain damage, do not have a mind or conscience? Are you serious? What evidence do you have for that? I honestly feel pretty bad if that"s your concept or belief. I would think to change your chemicals if I were you. If you are not aware of the Chinese Room argument to prove that, look it up straight away. If you expect me to learn or change my views (debate) by typing words on a screen and deny the very existence of my mind then yes, you are in effect deluded. If it's material in source then how can you possibly do it? That's my point exactly. Absolutes - things that are aware to everyone - building material for discussion and debate to establish a fact, or well-reasoned belief in something. Get to know them. You have in effect deconstructed my argument and selectively picked premises and conclusions that you want to refute or don't like and have made completely illogical assumptions on them. It looks so ineffectual. You have every right to believe what you want of course, as do I. I"m not going through them here by the way. You can reread my argument again. Lastly, this is why you are on very shaky ground here Atheists - they deny the existence of it, but conceive it's there. Else, what's to deny? Ref:Eminent professors of evolutionary biology should really therefore not write books slapping God in the face. He sat on a branch in an evolutionary tree (well there"s some debate about that) and has sawn off the very branch he was sitting on. It's so bizarre come to think of it, and he dares to ridicule the Bible and its believers? Possibly over 4,000 years of human history, philosophy, debate and discussion on the subject of God, turned on its head by a man who believes a flying spaghetti monster exists in his head. Do you honestly want me to believe a person like that and the theories he propounds? I honestly ask, would you? Do you now know why I"m asking this? I am sick to the stomach of watching creationists and Christian believers being ridiculed in public. That"s why. My opinion and my right to believe what I like, without fear of being discriminated against in that way. I think we call those self-evident rights, don"t we? I think it's not a worthy occupation doing that to have either. If you're outside tonight, look up and thank the big man for how he made you. He loves us all the same. God bless, and thank you for such a great debate. You have been a very admirable contender. Let's do another one.