the i dont know position means, i know its false

I will use a point by point response structure, and respond to each of your statements individually. --"yes you could lie about not knowing.." That's good, we agree on something -- "know is not a concept, i see that i dont see a dog in my room, and i am certain that i am not" First, when you say "...and i am certain I am not.", I have no idea what you mean by that. You are certain that you are not what? I take it you mean that you are certain that you do not see the dog. If I am wrong, please correct me. Also, I think when you say "...i see that I don't see a dog...", I think you mean that "I know that I don't see a dog..." In addition, knowledge is conceptual, you can't pull knowledge out of a hat, or see it. Something can REPRESENT knowledge, but isn't knowledge itself. Knowledge is an understanding of facts. To say knowledge is material is a strange claim, unless you don't mean that. Also, "know" is a verb and not material as you claim This is taken from http://dictionary.reference.com... "Know verb (used with object), knew, known, knowing. 1.to perceive or understand as fact or truth; to apprehend clearly and with certainty" If "know" isn't a concept, then what is it? --" knowledge has nothing to do with religious claims, religion is false" What religion is "false"? All? Some? All but one? You cannot say that all religions are false, because that would be a religion. A religion is "a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects:" (http://dictionary.reference.com...). That is one definition of many. All Religions don't include a belief in God. As your claims seem to suggest (as you deem religion as "false" in your eyes), it appears you are trying to use the definition of knowledge to disprove God and/or religion. Or you are just assuming religion is false. Which is completely irrelevant to the topic, and wont work anyway. If you want to try to disprove religion, you are going to need to do better then that. -- "i never have knowledge of future" Are you aware that not being able to know the future doesn't disprove my claims? --"i dont know if it will rain tomorrow, because i have to imagine it" Why do you "have" to imagine it? You are being confusing in your claims. --"false=imaginary" I'm sorry, but if you look up those two words in the dictionary, they don't mean the same thing. False things can be imaginary, and imaginary things can be false, but people's imagination doesn't dictate what is true and false. And something that is false could simply be something that was true, but became false with time, because the world changes. --"i have no doubt that i have to imagine tomorrow" Yes, you do have an imagination, and can use it. Your statement is irrelevant. Your support for your position is extremely confusing and difficult to understand. Everything that I can understand is irrelevant to the topic. You are mealy assuming that , as you say, "false=imaginary" and use irrelevant or confusing support in your claim. My position stands unchallenged. Also, your statement "knowledge has nothing to do with religious claims, religion is false" could be an interesting debate topic if you could clarify it, but is still irrelevant to THIS debate. Clarify your claims so they are understandable and stick to the topic at hand please.