Mongeese's Ultimate Team War II

RE: I would like to remind you that you haven't chosen specific canons for your characters (i. e. anime, manga, etc. ) It isn't necessary for Yusuke or Vegetto since the differences between their respective anime and mangas definately won't come up as an issue in this debate. As for Lelouch, the paged I linked to concerned the anime mostly. Nevertheless, none of the arguments presented seemed to be focused on any other incarnation, so there shouldn't be a problem. :) Onto the debate . . . [b][color=red] 1. RE: Mind Control [/color][/b] First, I need to get a few things straight as there are some pretty large inconsistencies between my opponent's case and the actual Yugio source material. 1) The only point in the Yugio series where Yugi even potentially has access to the Millenium Rod or any of the other millenium items which PRO list are at the end of the series when Yugi and Atemu have to duel. Thus, if my opponent is going to be having the items used in the round, he cannot also have it to where Yugi and Atemu share the same body. Otherwise, he'd be violating the rules in having one extra person on his team. 2) My opponent is gravely mistaken in concluding that any of the "duel monsters" cards work in reality without some other variable at hand. During the Doom arc (or for those who've only watched the dub, the season which focused on all of the Orichalcos stuff and was nothing more than filler), the only reason duel monsters were present in reality was due to the magical interference of the main villain of that arc. At all other times, the cards only had realistic effects during Yami no Yugi penalty games (or as the dub puts it, the Shadow realm). In order to do any of the things which involves use of the cards, Yugi would have to be playing one of the characters in a duel (more on that later) 3) The shadow realm doesn't exist. It is merely a silly dub addition since 4kids was under the impression that little kids wouldn't be able to handle the actual content of the actual series. (much like the removal of all guns and alcohal and instances of Joey punching Yugi). In the actual series, people simply die or are sometimes nearly dead rather than being "banished" to the shadow realm. 4) The millenium items can all be overcome by sheer will power. This has been proven by Joey (when he overcame Marik's mind control) and has been proven by Kaiba (when he overcame the prediction made with the millenium necklace). Each of the characters whom I've listed (well, except Reed Richards) have an abundant amount of will power (hell, Lelouch had enough will power to overcome what iwas made to be the equivalent to God. In any case, Yugi (having no other way to use his powers) would challenge my team to a competition of some sort (though for the heck of it, I'll agree for it to be a duel based on duel monsters). Lelouch, having a superhuman level of intelligence, would agree to this duel, on the condition that he got two hours of prep time as well as access to any of the cards in Kaiba's duel monster brief case and that this one duel decided the entire team battle. Yugi would accept (feeling confident that he could win, as well as the fact that he wouldn't be able to use his powers any other way). Within two hours or less, Lelouch would understand the game well enough to play evenly or even best a world champion. When the actual duel began, it would be a good match as both characters are cunning tacticians who can instantly think up brilliant strategies, however, Lelouch would win. Although it is hard to say who'd truly show more tactical prowess (although I'm willing to argue that Lelouch is superior), Lelouch's will power is greater since he managed use his geass power (a power which has effectiveness based on the users will) on what was said to be God in his series. Yugi has no will power feat to top that. We must keep in mind that it is will power which enables Yugi to draw the right cards at the right moment (the dub calls this the "heart of the cards"), and Lelouch has Yugi beat at that. [b][color=blue] 2. Alcohol [/color][/b] We've established that the Shadow realm as well as PRO's understanding of it is non existent, thus I shall merely focus on the Jimmy Buffett part. Before Jimmy Buffett even managed to open his mouth, Super Vegetto could speed blitz him (as in move faster than the target can react) and kill him in one blow. After all, Super Gotenks was able to fly around the earth multiple times in mere seconds and Super Vegetto is established as being far more powerful, so . . . [b][color=orange]3. Individual Strategies [/color][/b] 1. That assumes Strange has agreed to a competition in which this would be possible. Being someone who can read minds, he'd know better and would only accept a challenge to a game which he felt he could win. 2. See above. 3. See above. 4. Actually, Yusuke is in fact the most powerful character on my team, but I'll explain below. 5. Super Vegetto can destroy planets with ease as well as move faster than thought, Dr. Strange has dealt with foes far more powerful than Ganondorf (Mephisto, the equivalent to what we think of as "The Devil" comes to mind) (who Midna couldn't even beat with Link's help as shown in the game. 6). See Yugio explanation. Plus, Super Vegetto could kill him before he even took a single breath at the beginning of the fight. 7) "[i] You've never managed to understand--you can't hurt me physically Namor, I'm indestructable [/i]" -Reed Richards, Marvel Knights 4 #8 8) None of the people on my opponent's team are duel monsters or have any attack points, so it wouldn't work. Not to mention my explanation concerning Yugio [color=purple] [b] In terms of my arguments . . . [/b] [/color] I'd say it's pretty clear that my opponent's team is outclassed in every way as each of my characters could win on their own while against PRO's entire team. Lelouch: He could geass any one of the people on PRO's team before they even had time to react. All he has to say is "Kill yourselves" and the fight is over. Dr. Strange: Could teleport any of the people on PRO's team into the sun or could even mind wipe all of them before the fight had time to seriously begin. Reed Richards: With his ultimate nullifier ray, he could nullify any one of the people on my opponents team and make them unable to do anything. (ultimate nullifier described here: . http://en.wikipedia.org... ) Super Vegetto: He could speed blitz PRO's entire team at the beginning of the fight (by the way, speed blitz can be defined here: . http://www.killermovies.com... ), could instantly destroy the planet and teleport the rest of the team to another planet before the planet was completely destroy using instant transmission. Yusuke Urameshi: Yusuke is powerful enough to destroy the planet merely by powering up or by being in a state which consumes a small portion of his power. Read the bottom left panel and then note that Yusuke is far more powerful than this character at the end of the series: . http://www.onemanga.com... So powerful, that the remainder of his fights have to take place in a more durable dimension. Merely by exerting a small amount of energy, all of the characters on PRO's team would be dead. In short, my team pwnzers on my opponent's team without even tryin, hence this is a really one sided match up. Lastly, even if the shadow realm existed and my opponent were correct on matters concerning Yugio, the fact of the matter is that Dragon Ball Z and Yu Yu Hakusho characaters are confirmed to be able to break through dimensions. Not to mention that Dr. Strange could simply use his magic to bypass the "shadow realm" by transporting my entire team past it.