Evolution and the Creation Could Both be True

Thanks for the arguments Pro. I really hate quoting the Bible in order to prove my points, but that's just how it's gonna be.RebuttalsI would agree that half of the Bible does not show any contradiction with the theory of evolution. That half is called the New testament (From Jesus's birth and death). That is the only part of the Bible an open minded Christian should accept. You can even accept some moral teachings from the Old testament too, but to accept the Old testament as literal and true is a little far fetch'd. Actually a lot. The 1 in 4 Americans that do believe God guided evolution are not creationists, but religious moderates/theistic evolutionists, and we are not talking about them."Some young-earth creationists point to Genesis and state that the world was created in 6 days and that it was created some 5,000-10,000 years ago. However, the Bible also says that time is relative in the heavenly world. In 2 Peter 3:8 it reads, "But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day." According to this verse, the "six days creation" could really be thousands or millions of years from our perspective, but just six days in God's time. Young-earth creationism is really a series of assumptions made about the length and age of the creation."I think that the real translation of 2 Peter 3:8 is that a day spent with God is like 1000 years. It's trying to emphasize that a day spent with God feels like 1000 years have passed. I don't know how can you get 1 million, or let alone 1 billion from that. Let's not argue this, since there are many translations of the Bible. What you are endorsing here is Old earth creationism (OEC). OEC accepts the age of the Earth to be 13.8 byo, but still rejects evolution. What you are trying to do here is to connect the two. Deism is actually a belief that there was a creator, but that he/she/it did not care what will happen to the universe and left it alone. We would get deism if we got rid of the Bible from the story. However this is still not the wanted result. You are trying to make them all work together. OEC - Religion + naturalistic processes = DeismHowever we are trying to create OEC + Religion + naturalistic processes. Creationism is not a religion (yeah). Creationism is a pseudo-intellectual enterprise, which is inspired by religion, but is not a religion.If we are going to try to make them work, then let's assume that both of them are true. We are just assuming.We have to make the scripture of the seven-day (or seven-thousand/million/billion years whatever) creation and naturalistic processes such as stellar evolution, chemical evolution, and the evolution of life through natural selection. Let's see what the Old testament has to say about the creation:[1]Day one: God creates heaven and earth, and light and dark.Day two: God creates the firmament.Day three: God creates land in the water, then plants.Day four: God creates the sun and moon; then, as an afterthought, he creates the other stars.Day five: God creates water animals, then birds.Day six: God creates land animals, then Adam.Day seven: God rests.Let's assume those days last billions of years. Or whatever to equalize them to 13 billion years. To equalize them,then one day must be 1.85 billion years (7 x 1.85 = 13). We immediately see the inconsistency there. Cosmic/stellar evolution tells us that after the Big Bang around 200 million years stars began to form [2], yet the Bible tells us that stars formed around 5.55 billion years after the Big Bang (3 x 1.85 = 5.55). Radiometric dating tells us that the Earth formed around 9 billion years after the Big Bang, but the Bible tells us that Earth formed just after the Big Bang. Biochemistry proposes that life originated from chemical processes in the oceans [3], yet the Bible tells us that "God created man from dirt". Evolutionary theory (of life) tells us that plants, animals, fungi etc. evolved at the same time, but the Bible tells us that plants came before the animals, you get the point. This is fairly enough to prove that creationism (be it OEC or YEC) is incompatible with naturalism (evolution, be it stellar,cosmic, chemical, evolution of life, etc). You have to realize that we cannot improvise that we don't need the scriptures to be correct. In order for creationism to be correct, the scriptures have to be correct as well, since that's (only) what creationism relies on. Let's have some more fun with this.Adam and EveBible actually tells us how Eve was created. She was created from Adam's rib. The proposition of Adam and Eve being gifted with a "human spirit" leaves many things unanswered, and it contradicts both claims. Since it has been established that God created Adam from dirt and Eve from a rib by the claims of creationism, then they couldn't have evolved (self-evident). Even if they did evolve, then all the supernatural should be removed from the story, because we concluded that NATURE AND SUPERNATURAL CANNOT GO TOGETHER. Either it is one or another.Noah's floodAccording to creationists (be it OEC or YEC) the Biblical flood actually happened. Science disagrees with this. The flood story proposes that the Earth was covered with water up to the highest mountain (Genesis 6-7). Geology and oceanography (which are on the evolution's side) disagree. Bill Nye explained the incompatibility between them in the debate with Ken Ham (for me the best dumb-down explanation).So in conclusion: Since creationism (be it OEC or YEC) relies on the Biblical scripture (which endorses the supernatural) and evolution relies on science (naturalism), then creationism and evolution are not compatible with each other, therefore cannot both be true. Furthermore, they are explaining the world in 180 degree maner from eachother.Keep in mind that i didn't try to prove or disprove any of the claims, i just listed the inconsistencies.That's all from me for now, back to you, Pro!Sources:http://wiki.ironchariots.org... [1]http://starchild.gsfc.nasa.gov... [2]http://en.wikipedia.org... [3]