Whitebeard vs. Madara

All points in the debate are now in Con's arguments. I will address his contentions to cover everything. Rules:Con claims that I unfairly utilize rules one and two. They are: 1. Both characters will be at full health and will have no injuries at the start of the fight. 2. Madara will not be in edo-tensei and will be in his most recent form as of now, and Whitebeard will be as we saw him at Marineford (all in accordance with rule number one). Please note the bolded. I made it clear that WB would be as we saw him at Marineford, but only in accordinace with rule number one. That is to say, we will be disccussing a fully healthy but old WB. By accepting the debate, Con accepted the fact that WB would be at full health. The only thing inhibiting WB is old age, which only prevents him from being as strong as his prime-self. R1) Chakra Con concedes that sensory abilities, genjutsu, and chakra absorption will be useless. He fails to provide evidence that Madara has better stamina than WB, simply stating that he has large amounts of chakra; however, Madara will not be in edo-tensei state, so he will no longer have infinite chakra as before. Furthermore, the feats of durability I have provided for WB were when he was old. So regardless of the rules, these feats still surpass what Madara has demonstrated, despite the fact that WB was old and sick. Con also claims WB had dulled observation haki.This was because:1. WB was sick. 2. WB was not expecting the blow from Squardo, a fellow ally. The first point is solved by the rules. The second is solved by the fact that WB will be expecting blows from Madara, who he will consider an enemy.R2) Martial ArtsSkillCon claims that Marines are normal humans, yet everyone at the war was at least a commissioned officer, the lowest of such ranks being an ensign [1]. An example would be Tashigi, and she is clearly not a normal human, being quite skilled with the sword. Also, there were higher ranking officers in the war (e.g. captain, rear admiral, vice admiral, etc.). Some ranks are capable of putting up a good fight with Madara himself and dealing significantly damaging attacks (such as vice-admiral Lonz, who WB defeated effortlessly).It has thus been proven that WB was taking out a mix of thousands of highly skilled and some-what skilled soldiers in the war. SpeedCon asks for context of the scene concerning Akainu. WB was not near Ace at the time, as if he was, he would have helped Ace. In fact, he was ordering everyone to run away as he stayed behind [2]. Even though Akainu was focused on Luffy, the Marines still had their eyes on WB. Everyone in the war paid attention when WB did something. Considering his large size, it's amazing that no one noticed him moving toward Akainu until it was too late. Let's not forget that, regardless of your concentration, observation haki let's you "observe" everything around you, and Akainu's inability to react to WB before it was too late demonstrates his speed.If WB is able to move body parts faster than the speed of lightning, then it is clear that he also has reactions faster than lightning, and so he will be able to react to Madara easily. Also, the very fact that he could keep up with admiral level fighters such as Aokiji, Kizaru, and Akainu is proof that WB is very fast, as all of them are faster than Luffy. Even Vice Admirals were faster and stronger than Luffy, yet WB had no problem keeping up with them. WB's speed showings are quite consistent. "During battle he displays very minimal speed ... being unable to dodge fatal blows."Con's statement is in direct contrast with WB's showings during the war and with the evidence provided above. The only proof he provides to back this statement up is WB getting hit by Akainu's magma fist, but Akainu is at similar levels of speed in comparison to WB, and WB was hit because he was sick and injured.R3) Jutsu-- Elemental Jutsu: In the war, WB had to deal with thousands of bullets, canons, and enemies everywhere, but will only have to deal with one enemy here. Madara's elemental jutsus are not comparable to WB's strength, and he can blow them away.It has already been explained how WB got hit by Squardo and Akainu. Blackbeard only hit WB because he was on the verge of death and his body wouldn't respond to him. -- Levitation: WB's quakes extend in the air at fast speeds, shown when his quakes went across the entire island and destroyed the waves frozen by Aokiji in less than a second. Madara will be unable to avoid these, and he has not shown the ability to use Susano'o in the air, making him vulnerable.-- Clones: I have given strength feats of WB destroying entire mountains of ice harder than steel (casually), and Con believes that wooden clones will survive his attacks, claiming there's no evidence to support my statements. Madara has not been shown to spam clones, and if he does, it will quickly deplete chakra levels.SharinganCon provides a source, showing that Madara can switch between the two eyes, yet this was when Madara was in edo-tensei and not when he came back to life. He has not shown this ability in the latter form.Susano'o: Madara's healing abilities only apply to himself, not his Susano'o. If he wishes to repair his Susano'o, he'd have to use large amounts of chakra to do so.Amaterasu: Considering that WB has armament's haki to protect himself, it won't start burning him right away. Even if it does, WB could probably endure it for several days, considering the durability feats I provided in round 2.WB could dodge it, then attack Madara, thus making him lose control over it. Alternatively, he could tilt the ground as he did with John Giant, making Madara lose his focus. Rinnegan:The only reason Pain could use these techniques is because he used the Six Paths Technique, something Madara has not done. Madara would have to use the technique and make the Deva Path that allows the user to control attractive and repulsive forces [3]. This point is rendered moot.R4) Regeneration"[Madara's] healing abilities are probably about as effective as Hashirama's."If that is so, then they probably run out after a certain amonut of time, shown in the same battle Con provided [4]. While the damage Madara put out on Tsunade was impressive, it's still no where near the damage that WB can dish out. If Madara gets hit by WB's quakes, it will cause so much damage that the regeneration will take too long, and he will be at WB's mercy. Con agreed that Susano'o would probably break under WB's power, and I've shown how Rinnegan's forces do not apply to Madara. So if Madara was hit by WB's earthquakes, he would still likely die.R5) IntelligenceCon says that the evidence I gave was not improvisational and that WB didn't make it. In the source, WB received intentionally leaked information. This was so WB would order his men to rush the battlefield to stop the execution, allowing Pacifista to trap them. WB saw through this, telling his men to attack the battleships and not be trapped by Pacifista. This was improvisational and was an original idea.I admit that Madara also has tactical knowledge from Con's source [6]. But his source [7] demonstrates a tactic that was already shown earlier, so it was not an impromptu tactic, as Madara has done this before back when he was alive [5]. It can be concluded that both have demonstrated equally impressive tactical knowledge in battle.Conclusion:- Regardless of the rules, WB has demonstrated feats of endurance above Madara- Con concedes arguments concerning sensing abilities, genjutsu, and chakra absorption- Con has dropped that WB is stronger and more durable than Madara- Con's proposed Rinnegan abilities are not applicable to Madara- Con admits that Susano'o would probably get destroyed by WB's quakesSources:[1] http://onepiece.wikia.com... [2] http://www.onepiecebay.net... [3] http://naruto.wikia.com...[4] http://narutobase.net...[5] http://narutobase.net...