Hamas is more at fault for the current suffering of Palestinians than Israel.

Thank you for your response. I would like to reiterate the mutual agreement my opponent and I had. We agreed that this debate focuses mainly on the last few months. And of course I said, if NECESSARY and RELEVANT, it is permitted to bring up an occurrence before. On the Arrest of YassinWith that being said I have no idea why opponent is telling the voters that they must "observe that the opponent's contention is based upon the post-Intifida period, whilst mines are based on the pre-Intifida period". I could be misinterpreting this (which is no fault of mine because you did not explain your point), but seems my opponent is suggesting mine are more flawed and irrelevant for some reason. I actually believe it is I that should be telling the voters that they should observe that your arguments were from a different period than most of mine. Again, we agreed the focus of the debate is regarding the last few months yet your only argument for currently is that Palestinians were killed by airstrikes in response to Hamas attacks. You also gave a history of the weapons Hamas GENERALLY uses prior to the last few months. "one must understand was that Israel had intelligence and witnessed Sheikh Ahme Yassin's coming to power and creating the Hamas face-to-face! "Con you have failed to develop this argument the entire debate. 1. You simply did not prove Israel created Hamas. You suggested that Israel could have PREVENTED the creation of Hamas. This is very misleading. Not preventing something is not the same as creating. 2. You have not even clarified what you are arguing. Even if what you said is true (which it is most certainly not), nobody knows your argument. In a debate you cannot just say one thing and expect me and the readers to fit it in. If you say "Israel created Hamas" you have to tie it into the debate. You can make an argument out of that but you have failed to do so in the rounds where you are permitted to make new arguments. "1979, America supported the Islamist Radicals who wanted to overthrow the King of Iran; they thought that by overthrowing this secular regime, the Islamist Radicals might install a pro-US government. However, precisely the opposite happened; the Reagan Administration made the same mistake in regards to Afghanistan, which spawned Al-Qaida and Taliban. Israel did the same thing; they thought Hamas would counter the secular Fatah and PLO, whilst installing a Pro-Israeli government. This was false; religious differences between the two sides cannot be compromised. "Con makes this claim and his source is every country's reaction to the current conflict in Israel. This source is completely irrelevant and everything you have said is an unsourced argument. Besides the validity of con's argument here, there is another issue with it. They are simply false comparisons. First of all America directly overthrew the government in Iran in order to place the Shah and PUT HIM IN POWER TO RULE OVER THEIR PEOPLE. Israel did no such thing! This is a HUGE difference! Again, keep in mind this is a debate between who is more responsible for the current suffering of Palestinians. Even if Israel did create Hamas (which again they did not), they did not put Hamas responsible for all the Palestinians! So it is actually irrelevant even if Israel did create Hamas. Hamas is responsible for the Palestinians in Gaza and like I said they instigated this war by launching rockets knowing that Israel will respond and they are the ones who endangered the Palestinians. "Let me remind all sides that Israeli officials submitted many reports on this rising Islamist threat to Israeli authorities; yet the Israeli Government ceased to arrest him, thinking of him as only a tool to be used against the secular PLO. In fact, the Israelis did not arrest him until it was clear the Hamas was going to be Anti-Israeli; this was done after the first Intifida. However, the Israelis had enough precedent to arrest him after his arms cache (for usage against the PLO) was seized". Ya? So "many reports" that there is no source? My opponent here is claiming Israel arrested Yassin once they found out he was anti-Israel. I have proven (with a source) that is just false! Israel arrested Yassin once they found out that attacks on their civilians were conducted on his account. "The opponent has also stated that the PLO is not secular, contrary to claims; why? Because it is becoming more violent and "extreme" Firstly, one needs to understand that secular does not mean less violent, extreme, or even moderate. Ba'athism cannot be said to be moderate, yet it is secular; same goes for fascism and communism. Secondly, the PLO is indeed becoming less violent and extreme; in fact, the PLO has recognized Israel and UN Resolutions 242, which states that Israel must be recognized as an independent state". Based on your arguments in round 2, it seems that you were saying that the PLO was a democratic and just and a good organization that Israel was at fault for trying to dismantle. I guess you are right about it being secular but I really don't get your point saying they are secular. Why does it matter if Israel was trying to dismantle a secular organization? The point is, they were conducting attacks against Israeli civilians. Secondly, it is irrelevant what the PLO acknowledged in the 90's. I was clearly referring to before that con. "The opponent concerns himself with the election of Hamas only; we are talking about the creation of Hamas! "Con this is a mistake you made throughout this debate. No we are not! You have been doing that but it is wrong and irrelevant. All that matters is who put Hamas RESPONSIBLE FOR THE PALESTINIANS. And that clearly is not Israel so your main argument is not even relevant to the debate. And an important note: With this argument Con is giving he forfeits that Hamas is in fact at fault for the suffering of Palestinians he is just saying that Israel created Hamas (which again is false). Your analogy: Your analogy is flawed for various reasons. 1. As I have proven Israel did not create Hamas you just suggest that Israel could have prevented the creation. So this is not the case. 2. Even if your analogy is spot on to what is going on, many (including me), would argue it is more at fault of the one who stole the time machine and is actually doing the crime. Take for example John Kerry who helped issue the cease fire when Hamas killed three Israeli soldiers. Is Kerry partially at fault? Probably. But, he should not be condemned and the blame should not be put at him more than it should be on the terrorists that actually did the crime! Your own analogy even says that it is "PARTLY" the creators fault. Weapons and attacks Con the first attack was done by terrorist group (maybe Hamas) that killed the three Israeli teens and then after Hamas launched a barrage of rockets into Israel. Israel agreed not to do a larger military maneuver if the rockets seized so whose fault is it really that these airstrikes happened? www. foxnews. com/world/2014/07/01/israeli-teens-found-dead/ 1. Again it seems you are not aware or knowledgeable of the current situation. You still claim that only 3 Israelis were killed and I proved last round with a source that this is false! Over 67 Israelis have died including three civilians. newslines. org/israel/1867-palestinian-67-israeli-deaths-in-29-days/ As I proved above Israel did not start the attacks so both points you made in number 1 is false. 2. Israel is not just going to sit there while rockets are launched over their country. They go after the terrorists responsible. Again Israel is only doing this because Hamas launched rockets so it is Hamas's fault. They know what is going to happen to their people and yet they still do it. I said this since round two and you never addressed it. You have additionally repeated what you said in the previous round that Israel attacked ROCKETS that were in a UN school and you say it is sad. What is MORE SAD is that Hamas kept their rockets in such a place and that is what endangers their people. Again I said this since round 2 you still did not address it. Israel under international law is allowed to defend itself. With every rockets Hamas launches at civilians they have no justification and they break international law. Again I refer to my original argument that is still unaddressed. Hamas caused these attacks by launching rockets for no purpose and endangered their people. Con continues to justify preaching death, suicide bombings, using themselves as human shields to protect weapons, and says they are not official war crimes. Con has also said it is "neccessary" and Hamas is "Willing to take this step". As proven, these actions do not contribute to freedom but rather they cause more and more attacks. There is no justification in children blowing themselves up to kill civilians or protect weapons with children. Instead of condemning them you justify them and condemn the people trying to take them down. Summary - Con has forfeited the Hamas has in fact contributed significantly to the suffering of Palestinians but gives the false defense that Israel created Hamas. - Con Has not addressed my argument for Hamas causing these deaths by launching rockets and at this point has accepted it. - Con responded to my arguments for Hamas telling their people to kill themselves and use themselves as human shields as "neccessary for the freedom of Palestine" - Con has not responded to my argument that Hamas as a leadership is responsible for their people and their safety and at this point has accepted it. With this conclusive evidence it is clear that Hamas has contributed more to the sufferring of Palestinians.