Abolishing tariffs, the minimum wage, and public education would help poor people.

I'm just going to start (I had a really hard time fitting this) But Public schools are not immune to competition that's what private schools are, the competition towards public school, and you'll see that they cost a lot more per year because they aren't funded by the government, they are paid for by the people who go there, so now instead of spreading the responsibility of funding a school from everyone it goes to the select few who go there, increasing the individual cost. Also who would get to decide where a kid went? The parents so even if the kid wanted to be an engineer, if the parent wanted them to be an artist, they now are really screwed because they are paying MORE to be specialized in something they don't want to. I didn't copy this, but just because the public schools went away doesn't mean the teachers union would go away, so the teachers would be able to stay united and prices would stay the same. DAXTARIAN: For deciding who gets what, there are a number of possibilities. One thing is to just divide the money among everyone. Most states spend a little over $10,000 dollars per pupil. Instead of giving that amount to the student through the school, it could be given directly to the child's family, where they could decide how to spend it in most other welfare schemes; the consumer--not the producer--is subsidized. Food stamps are given to the people buying the food instead of people who produce the food. Schools are the opposite. REPLY: That's because most other welfare schemes regulate what the money can be spent on, you can't buy a car with food stamps, only food, I would agree completely that IF this happened to re distribute the 373 billion among the welfare programs to help reach out, and maybe stop the property taxes, but not just handing a family a check for 10's of thousands of dollars. First off public schools DO work, my dad, who had a poor father, went to a public school and graduated IU, he got a scholarship there, and straight A's K- 12, he tried in school, and he succeeded he now makes $350,000, owns a boat, 2 houses and a condo, I would have to say that is enough to make me think that if you actually try public schools work, part of the problem in economically impaired areas is that student skip classes, don't do home work and think that the only way to get out is through sports, and if they can't do that they're stuck. And I thought you said there would be no more poor? Guess not. The point of public schools is to allow the poorest of the poor with a chance to get out, if they weren't more likely to resort to crime, maybe it would work. DAXTARIAN: In one sense, you are right--the government isn't going to shell out 373 billion dollars. But what is stopping this are bureaucrats and teachers unions who don't want to ruin their sweet deal. Public schooling is bad because it assumes that there is a set of knowledge everyone must know… So the grades of about 4-12th are really a waste of time. REPLY: Like I said we are never going to be able to get rid of teachers unions and bureaucrats so S.O.L. Teachers don't get that well paid either, so I might ask what sweet deal? They have work, and that's it so it's not that great of a deal. In case you didn't know Before the U.S. had public schools the people who wanted an education went to the school they wanted to then we realized that that didn't work so we made public schools. REPLY: There is, reading, writing, Math, and Science, the problem is that it takes 13 grades to teach it to an understanding that allows people to do it relatively well, without the use of technology. Public education spoon feeds information, rather than encouraging critical and independent thought. It is the infallible teacher and text book that has all the answers REPLY: Not if you want to know multiplication, Division, nouns, verbs, Algebra, more than the 8 planets of the solar system, pronouns, adj. adv. Pressure, buoyancy, do I need to continue? All those and more are skills colleges look for when choosing students, How well would someone who can't tell you what a nebula, a verb, or what X='s do on the SAT's? That can be fixed without ending public schools you know that right? No it isn't there are a lot of specialty classes that appeal to students, there's Art class, and about 10 different Music Classes, oh and a wide verity of science classes too, and many more, how is this not appealing to a student's interests? Where are you pulling this argument from? DAXTARIAN: by making education government property, you erode everything down to one end to be pursued, which is why all government schools basically are the same and teach the same things. Private property leads to a diversification of ends to be pursued, which would lead to a dynamic system of schools, catering to different needs and desires. It's the same principal on why we have dozens of different soaps to choose from at the grocery store, and in the Soviet Union, you only had one, if any at all but it isn't the amount of zeros in the check that matter, it is the purchasing power that is important... REPLY: There isn't only one choice there are two, public, or private, all schools do not teach the same things, outside of what is required, and all schools teach that, what schools teach depends on the school size, and a lot of other factors, and if you haven't noticed in stores let's say the generic brand is a public school, and school the others are private schools which do you pay more for? And for the record Alexander Hamilton lived in the 1700's way before the situation was anywhere near what it is today so I'd try to come up with someone who only completed the 3rd grade and accomplished something great in the last 50 years. But purchasing power isn't only about good's, it's about labor too so your actually suggesting (by accident I'm sure) that minimum wage WOULD go down if there was no bottom on it. I'll use your same logic only on a larger scale and the variable will be the workers wage, A company makes 2 billion a year before paying their employees, there is no minimum wage so they can pay them anything they want, they have 40,000 employees and are debating whether to pay them $x an hour or $x+4 an hour no matter what x='s which will give them a greater profit? The answer? Well I guess I have to tell you since apparently not everyone needs to know algebra, is the first answer x. By the way x was below the minimum wage, and the purchasing power stays the same because the millionaires and other fixed income jobs remain at the same pay rate. And that bit about McDonalds, That just sounds like communism. and it's unrealistic, The fact is that nobody is going to pay a un educated person as much as a educated one, (By educated I mean through college) it just won't happen, with or without minimum wage all that would happen is the average hourly pay would go down. So right now the minimum wage is set at a point that enables both to be able to operate and it also allows the employees to live, what your suggestion is that the minimum wage be abolished so that what small business can prosper even at the expense of their employees? I support small business but not like that. with or without minimum an employer will want to employ a skilled worker over an unskilled worker weather it's for 8 dollars an hour or 5 that's common knowledge. And your part about tariffs was never one of your point's you're supposed to argue that that getting rid of would help "poor people" as you said and getting rid of them would lose the U.S. 10,000's of jobs that are normally held by the lower class, abolishing the tariffs would save people a matter of cents on everyday objects, but would cause a lot of people to lose their jobs so in the end it hurts people more than it helps. score 150left charcters left