Euthyphro's Dilemma

Re-Introduction Agathon: This is an argument for atheistic moral platonism against polytheism but it’s been transferred to an argument against theism. The Fool: If I was not so foolish, I would think that was a question, not an argument. Perhaps this is the argument. The argument against polytheism morality from Euthyphro. The Fool: That is, if something is moral because the gods love it, then if the gods disagree, and love different things, we could not tell what is moral by virtue of the gods loving it. As morality would be subjective in relation to particular gods. And so they can possibly contradict each other. The argument against morality being loved by the Gods or Gods. The Fool: Is that being human morality could not be worth anything to God or God's because as it would mean that we have something which God does not have, and therefore need, and or want from us. Excerpt from Euthyphro SOCRATES: Tell me then, by Zeus, what is that excellent aim that the gods achieve, using us as their servants? EUTHYPHRO: Many fine things, Socrates.-----I say that if a man knows how to say and do what is pleasing to the gods at prayer and sacrifice, those are pious actions such as preserve both private houses and public affairs of state. The opposite of these pleasing actions are impious and overturn and destroy everything. SOCRATES: It would follow from this statement that piety would be aknowledge of how to give to give, and beg from, the gods.------But --what is this service to the gods? ---Piety would then be a sort of trading skill between gods and men? EUTHYPHRO: Trading yes, if you prefer to call it that. SOCRATES: And to beg correctly would be to ask from them things that we need. EUTHYPHRO: You understood what I said very well, Socrates. SOCRATES: And to give correctly is to give them what they need from us, for it would not be skillful to bring gifts to anyone that are in no way needed. EUTHYPHRO: True, Socrates. The false circular argument of godly morality. The Fool: A third argument in Euthyphro, is that it is circular and false to argue that the reason something is moral is because God loves it, or wills it, and then propose that the reason God loves it is because it's moral.. E.g.: The Fool: Why is X loved by the God? The Ideologist: Because it is Moral The Fool: Why is X moral? The Ideologist: Because it is loved by God? Excerpt from Euthyphro SOCRATES: The pious is then, Euthyphro, pleasing to the gods, but not beneficial or dear to them? EUTHYPHRO: I think it is of all things most dear to them. SOCRATES: So the pious is once again what is dear to the gods. EUTHYPHRO: Most certainly. SOCRATES: When you say this, will you be surprised if your arguments seem to move about instead of staying put? You surely remember that earlier the pious and the godloved were shown not to be the same but different from each other. Or do you not remember? EUTHYPHRO: I do SOCRATES: Do you then not realize now that you are saying that what is dear to the gods is the pious? Is this not the same as the god-loved? Or is it not? EUTHYPHRO: It certainly is. SOCRATES: Either we were wrong when we agreed before, or, if we wereright then, we are wrong now. EUTHYPHRO: That seems to be so. The Re-appropriation Agathon: Objective is something which is valid and binding regardless of human opinion. The Fool: Objective is derived from object like.. That is, thing like. And thus, anything is a valid as a thing, if it is a thing. Ligation: something that is used for binding things or tying things up" Perhaps, the primordial term for legation." Encarta dictionary. Therefore Object-ligation is a thing which binds.. An example of moral obligation would be the following: That is, we are obligated, by morality to avoid killing anybody without justification.. Justice, is a preservation of balance, a.k.a. equality. And so it may be validated to take someone's life, if they are trying to kill you, and it is the only way you can save yourself from the would be murderer.The Fool: Accepted.With Minor Adjustments.