Businesses do not pay any taxes

"No one is subsidizing business taxes"As the Supreme Court recently noted, there isn't really a difference between a tax break and a payout. Well, as authorities on the matter, they sure would not lie would they? After all, you and I are not capable of thinking for ourselves are we. The Supreme Court also said that requiring people to buy health insurance is a tax. That is not a tax no matter how they slice it. But, according to you, I guess it is a tax because the Supremes say it is. You used the word "payout." Let's say I come to your house every Thursday and demand you pay me a tax of $50 each week. One day I come along and demand $40. You are still paying me $40 but are you going to go to your friends and say you got a "payout" of $10? If so, your thinking is consistent with the Supreme Court's. Every regulated industry has their own tax breaks. Common usage is that subsidies are money paid out, That is not what a subsidy is. A subsidy is an actual payout which means a company would have to get more back from tax dollars that they pay in. An earned income tax credit is usually a subsidy. However, it is still a subsidy, under the technical definition of the word. In fact, it's explicitly in line with Pro's arguments, as a subsidy "... reduces costs for both producers and consumers by giving direct or indirect support."[3] They are not giving anything just like you were not being given the $10. Who is giving oil companies payouts? Are you just not interested in the facts? I sent you a link. They (their consumers) pay billions in taxes. You cannot both pay and receive. Go try to buy something at a store and see if you can find a way to pay for it and get money back at the same time. In this universe, that is not possible. "I mean no disrespect but I can definitely see where you spend your time on the internet for economic news. Society does not pay a business's tax bills except when they buy their products."What Pro seems to not understand here, is that, to a greater or lesser extent depending on your political views, taxes are necessary. I never said the first thing about taxes being unnecessary. The government requires X in revenue. If it doesn't get it, it will raise taxes. If it doesn't raise taxes on corporations, it will raise it on what remains: the people. You just do not get it. A corporation's taxes are the people's taxes but you are just blind to that. So yes, when a corporation gets a tax break, it plausibly falls to the people to make up the money that's not being paid by the business. As Pro notes, the government runs in the RED, not the BLACK. The government requires X in revenue. You simply do not understand that the government does not require X in revenue. If so, what is X? The government does not decide "We need 5 trillion in tax dollars this year to fund our insane spending." They do not tax like that. They tax on percentages. If Exxon made 10 trillion dollars and they (for example) were in a 50% tax bracket, that would be all the 5 trillion, correct? That would mean that NO ONE else needed to pay any taxes. Do you think that is how it works? That is the problem with the liberal sites you visit. They too think that is how it works and so therefore, you think so too. The government would still tax you and me and everybody else the same and have an extra few trillion to waste on yet another government program. They do not limit themselves to an X amount of money. Just by you thinking that, you are thinking that that is how they get subsidized when Exxon gets a "tax break." You need a better understanding as to how this government taxes. "They contribute every time they trade their products for their customer's money. They give jobs to society. Many contribute millions to charities. What other obligation do they have?"This was a rhetorical question, but the answer would be: To pay a tax burden of a similar nature as individuals. If they did, they would get a huge tax break because they are paying way more than individuals even by using your line of thinking. I know what you are going to try to say about percentages and it is senseless. You are never going to look at the statistics that show that the top 1% earners send about 38 cents for every dollar the government takes in. You have been to the sites and seen the phrase "fair share" tossed around and refuse to do any research yourself to see what the rich pay. You should Google "rich fair share" sometime. But the idea that the system overall is not helped when more money goes into it that is still going to be spent seems absurd. Let me introduce you to the federal government. They will spend it. They do spend it. I can only imagine Pro's trying to argue that they will overspend by exactly the same amount whether they have that extra money or not, but if that is his claim, he's shown no warrant for it. Are you at all familiar with the history and present of government spending? How do you think their "budget" climbs higher and higher every year? A NOTE ON LYING:. Every time I've quoted Pro, I've QUOTED Pro clearly. Which you have not. You said about 3 times that I said businesses "shouldn't" have to pay taxes when the question of whether they should or not had nothing to do with this debate and my opinion was never given. "You have quoted things I never said at all"Now THIS is a flat lie. I have never done this to Pro, and he needs to step back or give ANYWHERE where I quoted him saying something he didn't. The examples he's given thus far are NOT quotes, and it's disingenuous to claim they are. Okay, they are not quotes but you said that I said....and you lied multiple times. I already pointed out the lies in the last round so don't ask me to repeat. "and tried to put your spin on it which is basically "people good, corporations bad."" My point is that corporations/businesses should be AS responsible, taxwise, as individuals; Pro's argument from the beginning was to find fault with the concept of their paying their "fair share". Wow, business should be as responsible? Newsflash; they are! They spend tons of money just on compliance alone in addition to the taxes they (their customers) pay. I am tired of people like the writers at your favorite websites using the word "fair" like some child on a playground when they have no idea: 1. how much taxes the rich pay 2. how little taxes the poor pay 3. how much compliance costs are in addition to paying 4. how much regulation they put up with 5. how much they give to society in products, sponsorships, technology, making life easier, etc. ...and yet they still get criticized by those who sit on their thrones and say they rich don't pay "enough" and yet they cannot and will not define "enough" and neither will you. It will never be enough. You are having your mind poisoned by those sites and so you are accepting their lies about subsidies being handouts and the rich not carrying their burden and especially, corporations receiving as you call it "payouts." The sad part is that you are believing that these sites just present the unbiased truth.