Religion/God

Thank you for responding. Excuse my lack of formality, I am new to online debating. I will try to present you a case for God "Why can things occur naturally?". Well there really is no answer to that. We don't know why things occur and why they occur. As humans, we point to nature that things can occur "naturally". The only reason for sure, that things are allowed to occur naturally, is because the physical universe allows it to. From sub atomically to macroscopically, everything has to abide by the laws of mathematics of the physical universe to be bound by the physical universe that it is contained in. There is no possible way for humans and all of organisms and the planets to have been magically rearranged to be what they are. Nature does not have a conscience, nature could not have created mathematics, since all of physics abides to mathematics perfectly. Too perfectly. I respect that you believe a higher power. But as Christians, we believe in his rationality and teachings. Kind of the whole purpose of it being called faith and not science. But I do agree with you, all denominations have very scarce legitimacy of God. The whole point of obeying his teachings, is that if we everyone obeyed the commandments (except in a few contradicting cases) we would have a near perfect society. But that imperfectness is just our human nature. Now lets take this step by step. God is without bounds. What does this mean? It is bit difficult to wrap our head around because we literally can't think of anything that occurs without abiding to logic. The only way we can think of this and still be logical is to think outside the box. We are in this box. The box represents the universe and everything in it. There are no holes in this box. The box cannot be opened. This box is clear. And God can see everything within the box and is aware of everything that happens inside this box. By saying without bounds, means that God can penetrate the box, without breaking it. But, just because he can, doesn't mean he has to. Mathematics and science cannot explain why this outside the box idea can work. We need to take a very advanced approach at this in order for it to make sense. Now the omnibenevolent argument God did not create sin. Sin was an inevitable by-product of free will. There is some logic you have to apply here other than just saying is omnipotent. The purpose of love between God and man is that man chooses to love God or not. It wouldn't make any sense to create man to be by default loving to God. It's like me programming robots to do whatever I say when I say it. Now the robots don't obey because they love me, they obey because they were pre-programmed to exactly what I say without question. That's is the whole purpose of having a meaningful relationship with God. If we didn't have the ability to be disobedient to God, there is no meaning in the relationship. The problem is that people think that free will is not exactly just an algorithm in humans. It's bit more complicated. Sin is not just another bug in the computer that you can you just snap your fingers and it goes poof. If God wanted sin to be totally obliterated, so would our relationship with him. Now why do things happen? This would include earthquakes, famine, crime etc. This was something also inevitable, due to original sin. Original sin had a domino effect on all of mankind. These are natural evils that serve as a punishment to mankind. A common argument for that is "isn't eternity in Hell our punishment"? No, we go to Hell for un-repented sins. The option to repent is completely free. It can be silent at anytime and anywhere. God allows to repent (component of free will) so we avoid eternity in Hell. God looks at all sins the same because all sins are disobedience to his word. This is because there is nothing on the planet that is even comparable to the agony and suffering of Hell. "Wait, if he is all loving, why would allow/send someone to Hell?" God doesn't send people to Hell. They send themselves there by not repenting. God created Hell intended for Satan and his fallen angels. God literally gives us our entire life to take some time and repent. He sticks his hand out, and waits for us to take the opportunity. God loves us by letting us be with him in his eternal kingdom of heaven. Think of this, God cares much more about our eternal fate rather than our finite mishaps on earth. The bad things that happen our earth our incomparable to Hell. Look at how these things are logically irreversible God-------> man---------> free will + sin + repentance--------------> punishment and opportunity. Please feel free to point out if I contradict myself. Because I most likely did. The omnipotent argument What you are saying is already false "God creates a rock that he himself cannot lift" #1 God is not bound by physics #2 God can't create something that he is unable to do, because there is nothing that God can't do (sort of confusing). That is what makes him omnipotent.