existence of god

Yo, yo, yo! I"m back DDO. Beware of Malacoda: the debater who ruthlessly battled Liz (Now Madam Vice-President), had a debate rated by whiteflame as "good," and is the personal hero of Airmax who said "I [think that Luke needs to be made God of the world.] Thanks Max. Now on to my arguments. Let"s do this Con! 1.INTRODUCTION: A constant in debates over the existence of God is the inability to provide proof or direct evidence. This is unfortunate, but obviously true. This is a fact that has frustrated theists and atheists through the centuries and will almost certainly never be resolved. That being said, there is evidence of a divine power in the world, and more so evidence of the Christian divine power. That is the position I will be taking in this debate. I will hold all rebuttals of my opponent"s arguments for round 3, as was specified in round 1. 2.Origin of Existence This is an extremely difficult subject and one that is hard to bend one"s mind around. Voters and Con, attempt to imagine the first moment of time or existence. How did this existence come about? Don"t be fooled, no scientific theory can account for the birth or creation of everything. It is not even possible to imagine the beginning of existence. How can something come of nothing? How can something just "exist" from the dawn of time? It is illogical and simply doesn"t make sense. And even if the latter option of understanding the universe suites one of these voters, I will call that person to remember the state of our ever-expanding universe. This very fact of expansion points toward the creation of our universe as an explosive event that had a beginning. As said by Professor Robert Jastrow of Columbia University, "The birth of the Universe is an effect for which he [a scientist] cannot find the cause." (1) The only reason I mention this is because it shows on very important thing: in this universe and in this human experience there exist things that are simply impossible to explain and things that will, if current predictions withhold, will always be impossible to explain. This is important to remember in a discussion over the existence of a God. As is, it is just as illogical to imagine that something came from nothing as it is to imagine that a divine being that is beyond human understanding created existence. 3.Birth of an Original Idea Despite scientific justification of a God, the idea of the Christian God, or Judaic God, is largely different than religions than deities that came before. Unlike the pagan religions of old, the Judaic God promotes forgiveness and peace, rather than justice and war. What is the major distinction? The Judaic God isn't simply an extension of human characteristics like the Greek and Roman Gods that came before it, the Judaic God is something entirely different. The ideas present in the Bible are radically different from what the ancient world has seen before. This God even allowed his son to be tortured and demeaned. This is something that humans were utterly baffled at. Even in the Bible, Jesus is constantly questioned on his motive, when it is obvious that he could righteously strike back at his offenders. The point of this is that the Bible is original. It doesn't follow the precedents set by religions before it. It strikes back at human nature, denies justice, promotes submission, rewards not the warrior but the pious. Where did all of these radical new ideas come from? The answer to that is the latter portion of the title of this debate. 4.Ontological (2) The Ontological argument for God is quite interesting, and rather entertaining. It attempts to prove the existence by God using only the definition of God, which is the greatest being that can be imagined, or a completely perfect being. The argument states that God certainly exists as an idea in the mind, which is undoubtedly true. It also states that of two being that are the same in every way except one exists in reality and one only in the mind, the one that exists in reality is greater. The implications of this statement are that if God exists only in our minds, we can imagine a being who is greater than God. However this is unreasonable because the very definition of God states that he is the greatest being that can possibly be imagined. If this logic is followed, God has to exist by the very definition of God. Have fun with your rebuttal, Con :). In Conclusion: I have proved that the idea of God not existing has just as many pit falls as God existing, differentiated the Christian of Judaic God from other religions, and provided an Ontological argument for God. And I now leave it to you Con. 1.http://www.leaderu.com... 2.http://www.iep.utm.edu...