LM Classic: Logical-Master vs ToastofDestiny

=== Haru's Speed === While reading to provide images for my other strategies, I came upon this: http://www.onemanga.com.... It does nicely to show Haru's speed and agility without Silfarion. Despite the fact that he's being shot at by an automatic gun, he doesn't get hit once. === Sora === In the video, notice how far Sora flies when struck by Hercules. Had Hercules been punching with the same force he used to hold up the sky, Sora would have flown a few hundred yards at the BARE minimum. It seems that Hercules was using a level of strength slightly greater than a real human's. Also, Sora won very easily in that battle because of the human player controlling him - a player with less skill may well have been beaten. Sora's winning a video game battle has nothing to do with his strength, as it is the individual player, not the character, who determines victory. As an example, I could be playing Legend of Zelda: The Twilight Princess, and have link die at the hands of one of the basic enemies. That doesn't mean that Link is an incompetent warrior, it means that I am an incompetent player. By the same token, I could defeat the final boss, Ganon, without taking any damage. That doesn't make Link the ultimate swordsman, it just shows my prowess in videogames. If Sora is dashing around evading Jean, that takes him out of the equation. If he tries to get closer to my team, Jean could switch targets to him, and invade his susceptible mind. A few seconds later, I win, as Sora slices through Team Pro. === FTL Travel === If you argue that it's his ability to surpass the laws of physics, I drop this point. Incidentally, if Sora travels faster than light, he'll only be able to see in front of him. No photons could reach his eyes from behind, or his sides, leaving him with many, many blind spots. Alright, let's get right to strategy. === Battle Strategy === Pro presents evidence that his characters can survive much crushing force. While I commend the strength of their skeletons, Jean could just as easily dispatch them by crushing internal organs. Furthermore, I encourage you to read into the evidence on Batman's resilience. Superman's punch results in Batman's sternum and ribs being cracked, with bones breaking his skin and possibly a lung. He isn't immune to injury. Had Superman used more force, Batman would be dead, plain and simple. While his willpower is to be commended, Jean could simply go after his tendons and make it physically impossible for him to move, or any other vital organs making it impossible for him to live. Ditto for Spiderman and Sora. Another alternative would be to use Jean Grey's powers to rob Team Pro of their senses. Furthermore, Batman's resilience is no more remarkable than any other fictional character's. Here's Haru (I use him for a lot of examples due to easy access to source material) coming back from serious injury: 1) http://www.onemanga.com... , deals the winning blow seconds later : http://www.onemanga.com... 2) http://www.onemanga.com... , moments later : http://www.onemanga.com... 3) Takes this beating: http://www.onemanga.com... , http://www.onemanga.com... , http://www.onemanga.com... , http://www.onemanga.com..., and then http://www.onemanga.com.... Spiderman's foe probably wasn't as adept as Jean Grey in terms of mind control. 1) What I mean by instant viewing is that force sight doesn't suddenly home in on all life forms. In conjunction with other abilities, perhaps. However, this increases the number of tasks Revan has to complete. 2) Not necessarily. If you're traveling in a car at 60mph and pass a car at 55mph, it only appears to be moving at 5mph. This isn't because your mind has quickened, but that things are moving more slowly in relation to you. In the source provided by my opponent (the Star Wars wiki), force speed only applies to running speed. He can't discard this and then toss in another source. 3) Unfortunately, I have no access to comic material to show Jean's mental prowess. However, it is a lot easier to push a ship into the ground that is already moving - the ship's propulsion would help the apprentice. He only has to influence the motion, not create it on his own. The distraction point is quite relevant. The apprentice has to abandon attacking one tie fighter when another fires at him. A further note - the blaster shots in Star Wars are always visible to the naked eye. They don't travel at light speed by far. 4) Jean's Omega level shows us that she's the cream of the crop when it comes to mutants. Apart from beings who are nearly omnipotent, few can even match her in telepathic abilities. My further strategies: 6) Then Jean can serve as a kamikaze again, killing someone on Team Pro by popping their brain. In fact, she could probably dispatch a few members before dying. 7) Brit would definitely serve as an annoyance. As a human male, it is likely that he is taller than Jean, allowing him to protect her head. He just needs to cover enough of her body to make sword swings inconvenient as a method of damage. 8) http://www.onemanga.com... 9) After much furious reading, I've only come upon three instances of Melforce being used, none of them long enough to demonstrate my point. The two best: http://www.onemanga.com... , http://www.onemanga.com... and http://www.onemanga.com... (the evil analogue of Haru's sword) , http://www.onemanga.com... . 10) I have a few pages A) http://www.onemanga.com... (Lucia, who possesses a sword similar to Haru's, seals off Haru's Runesave with his own. Haru's Runesave become unsealed when fighting others, though he can't use it on Lucia.) B) http://www.onemanga.com... , http://www.onemanga.com... (Haru seals the destructive ability of his friend with Runesave) Further, further strategies: 11) Haru's Million Suns could prevent Amazo from absorbing anyone's abilities. If he is blinded by its light, he cannot absorb abilities. Similarly, Northstar could take him down by dazzling him with light bursts. 12) In a sword duel, Haru could easily win by blinding someone with Million Suns, dashing in with Silfarion, then dealing the death blow with Gravity Core or Explosion. 13) If Amazo inherits everyone's weaknesses, a super-powered crotch-kick a la Doomsday would send him reeling. Ditto for the rest of Team Pro. Jean just needs to score a telekinetic strike on Revan to break his concentration before killing him. 14) Haru or Northstar could make it to Team Pro quickly, and distract them with flashes of light, heat and wind. 15) Because Runesave cuts what cannot be cut, it ought to be able to cut down skyscrapers, which could distract Team Pro, severely injuring many of them. The skyscrapers are indestructable. Team Pro is not. 16) Haru and Northstar track down Sora, blind him, and restrain him. Jean mind controls him, and I win at FTL speed.