The Quaran is not God's Word

all right. i like challenge. but i would really love it if you don't stick your understanding of my words on me without me actually accepting them. and what's with trying to impress the audience? are you that weak in logic and reason that you try to impress people to vote for you? it's you and me who are debating. and you know you'll lose. i will start from last, about Quran being a miracle. i presented a website that you could check to find out a couple of things about Quran being miracle. things that an illiterate man could never know 1400 years ago. you ignored it and didn't even mention it. http://www.speed-light.info... things about pathways in the sky, speed of light, wormholes, Secrets of Pyramids, percentage of land to sea on earth, female worker bees, evolution, expanding universe, skin nerves, water coming from space, human embryo, brain function, pulsars and black holes, Sex of Baby, Iron, could seeding, also numerical wonders of Quran, ... compare these with the things Bible says and you'll find that you're using the wrong book bro: God created Earth on day 1 entirely covered with water Genesis 1:2 it was all dry land until later when water sprout out from beneath Genesis 2:5-6 also, about God creating Man from nothing, and dust, and clay and .... i give you an example for you to understand. if i say, this letter was written. you can ask me how? "if i were to answer you, by this pen, or by my hands, or by me, would this make it wrong?" creating heaven and earth from nothing, then starting the creation of Man from those, is like creating Man from nothing. they come one after the other. Example: A is made from B, and B is made from C , therefore A is made from C. world was created from nothing, Man was created from world, Mas was created from nothing. makes perfect sense and is actually very logical. you say"the Zul-Qarnain found the place where the sun actually sets and rises". first of all, if you want to say that Quran is saying the place that Sun sets and rises are the same, i want your proof on that. or you just made that up? and also your proof for the word ACTUALLY too. i guess you can't do that too. no surprises there! the translation of Quran: "Until when he reached the place where the sun set, he found it going down into a black sea, and found by it a people ...." i said "when Quran says he Found it ... means that it APPEARED TO HIM that way" indeed when Quran says he found ... it means that it appeared to him that way. but the first part of verse needs explanation "Until when he reached the place where the sun set". i provided an example: Japan, being called the country of rising sun, because it's the eastern piece of land in Asia, therefor sun rises from there first in Asia, hence the name. as for Quran, it means he was traveling, he reached a seashore, no further land was visible, (therefore the most westward piece of land he could go in that direction he was going) the sun set in the sea (word AIN is used for spring and sea and you can see both in this translation and previous one in my first post), he found the sun set in the sea... the example was ignored by you, again. also i need your commend on the part i provided about God (1-1 to 1-8). please try to deny or break it if you can. if you don't answer this, i will know that you're just trying to move your goalposts in hope of finding something that would stick, which you can't. you said: "Con says that I'm quoting from Sunni books about Muhammad marrying Aisha when she was 9 years old, so what proof did he give that Sunni sources are unreliable? and what is my proof that they are False?" if you don't even care about looking at the sources i provide, why even bother to ask questions in the first place? first of all, i gave you this. https://www.al-islam.org... this is a very famous debate between a Shia and some Sunni clerics in the presence of Gandhi (citation needed), which at the end of it, many of those Sunnis became Shia. read it and you'll find out about it. you said: "Sunni far outnumber Shias anyway." is this supposed to make them right? atheists outnumber Christians, do you think they are right? this reasoning is shallow and weak as usual. and as for age of Aisha when marrying Muhammad. i did more research (thanks to you) and i can prove to you that you're wrong. (sources are provable). these are from Sunni books. 1- the year Aisha married Muhammad: Hesham Orwa: year 13th of his Prophethood. Zahabi: 14th or 15th year of his prophethood. Balazari: 14th or 15th year of his prophethood. 2- best source for determining the age of Aisha is comparing her age with her sister Asma. she was 10 year older than Aisha. according to the Sunni sources, she was 27 in the first year of Hejrat. sources: 1- Altabrani, Solaiman ibn Ahmad Ibn Ayub ... 2- Ibn Asaker Aldamashqi ... 3- Aljazri ... 4- Alnavi ... ... according to these she would be 17 or 18 when marrying Muhammad which is a good year for marriage. also in very hot climates like Hejaz girls mature faster. and don't compare 17 year old girls of today who have teddy bears with people of barren land of Hejaz 1400 year ago. they had to grow up way faster. and Aisha was proposed to Muhammad by her father, therefore, she was deemed ready to be married. yet there is another way to determine her age, using historical evidence, which makes her age between 22 to 24 (sources are present). so, saying prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was a pedophile and pervert without being able to prove it, shows that you have no case and you don't worship God, just yourself, because if you worshiped God, you would accept the last Prophet, and his miraculous book. and as for the reason the age is tried to be shown that low in some of the hadith, is because Muhammad had an arch enemy called Abu Sufyan. he had a Son called Moaviyeh, whom killed Imam Hasan (grandson of Muhammad) and also Moavieh's son (Yazid) killed Imam Husein (great martyr of Karbala, whom last year, around 30 million people gathered to visit his shrine in Karbala). Moaviyeh was in the business of Hadith fabrication in hope of someday wiping out Islam. to prevent this, Shia carefully monitored hadith from early years of Islam and we have a branch of science called "Rejal" which researches all the hadith and the people who quoted them and their legitimacy, ... I give you an example if you care to find out about the truth of Islam, this is a simple example: "the letter of Imam Ali to Malik, whom he appointed as the govornor of Egypt" http://www.debate.org... about the death of Jesus in Quran Quran says "And peace on me on the day I was born, and on the day I die, and on the day I am raised to life.", also says "Every soul must taste of death, then to Us you shall be brought back." meaning, all people will die, and Jesus, even though he didn't die in that incident (because past tenes wasn't used) will Die. and Jesus himself says in that verse, "THE DAY I DIE" not the day i died. also we have this verse, "And their saying: Surely we have killed the Messiah, Isa son of Marium, the apostle of Allah; and they did not kill him nor did they crucify him, but it appeared to them so (like Isa) and most surely those who differ therein are only in a doubt about it; they have no knowledge respecting it, but only follow a conjecture, and they killed him not for sure" which ensures that he didn't die there, but will die sometime after his re-coming. also Quran doesn't say no one died there, but says it appeared to them that they have killed him. also you say according to bible that Judas Iscariot was not seen after Jesus death right? we believe that he or another enemy of Jesus was mistakenly crucified instead of Jesus. (need more research on this). but be sure, JESUS WILL DIE, because he's a human being for Christ's sake. and about this "Anyone can claim to be obedient to God, but that doesn't make them a Muslim" Islam is from the word "salm" meaning "submit". proof of this in Quran: "Ibrahim was not a Jew nor a Christian but he was (an) upright (man), a Muslim, and he was not one of the polytheists" and as was mentioned before, Muslim means someone who submits himself to God. if you truly submit yourself unto God in the way the God desires, you're Muslim. no further explanation required. about the name of Jesus being Isa in Quran. you believe in God or Yahwah? different Names of God in different languages make God different? True God is Allah, Yahwah, Khoda, Kamisama, Dieu, Gott... Your word: "The real Jesus was never called Isa. In his own lifetime he was called Yeshua" by your own weak logic, then Jesus is NOT Yeshua. since you call him jesus. Isa is his name in Arabic. that's all. you said: The Quran Contradicts Itself, According to several passages in the Quran, Muhammad was the first Muslim. First can either mean in time, or in greatness and size. example: person who receives the First medal in power lifting, is First because he was able to lift more weight than any other people. prophets are those who have greatest faith among their people, and the reason Muhammad is Greatest among them, is because he has Greatest faith a man can have. according to Quran: "And remember, Jesus, the son of Mary, said: "O Children of Israel! I am the messenger of Allah (sent) to you, confirming the Law (which came) before me, and giving Glad Tidings of a Messenger to come after me, whose name shall be Ahmad." But when he came to them with Clear Signs, they said, "this is evident sorcery!" why would someone give glad tidings to his people about a person who will come for them in the future, if the other person were less great than himself? so Jesus knew that Muhammad was Greater than him.