Mirza is SEXist and is using his religion as a sheild: also The Game

I would like to begin by thanking lovelife for this interesting topic due to character limit, Mirza will be referred to as M Defn: Sexism- I would like to condense the offered definitions into a more concise, single definition: believing that one gender or sex is inherently less valuable than another. Analysis: The resolution states both that M is sexist and that M uses his religion as a shield(spelling…) In order to win this debate the pro must prove that both of these statements are true. Also, I have been away from debate.org for some time and have no idea who Mirza is. Because of this, and because it would be impossible for me to read every single post he has ever posted, this debate should be limited to the quotes provided in Pro's opening post. Contention: I will first go down Lovelife's post and explain how the quotes provided do now show that M is sexist "Yes, it is justified…. it would still be justified." 1. Cultural concept. In American society women are not allowed to go shirtless in most places for example. This is not deemed sexist because our culture deems shirtless women "indecent". The same applies to M's culture. 2. Uniforms are required in many places. Take any high ranking corporate worker for example. They are expected to be dressed "nicely" for their job, in fact most of these jobs require it. Similarly, plenty of clubs or other associations require uniforms, and these uniforms are usually NOT the same for men and women. the "covered face" is simply a uniform. "Feminism should not even be mentioned in this thread. It is a horrible concept and does not belong to any century." 1. out of context, this has no meaning. 2. depending on the kind of feminism this is relating to it could either be female chauvinism (women men) or it will be covered later by my response to equality. "The way you and most other people define "sexism" is by measuring the level of equality of the genders. I have said it and will say it again: Islam is not a religion that promotes equality. It regards women and men as unequal." 1. Women and men are not the same… this is obvious to anyone who happens to have functioning eyes. In practically every scientific study the results are divided into female and male. If you look on medicines they can have different side effects for women than men. If you look at brain chemistry women think differently from men. If you look at physical structure WOMEN ARE DIFFERENT THAN MEN. This does not mean one is more valuable than another though. As M states later in the quotes: " Can men give birth? … equality, but 1.notice how women are (obviously) superior at giving birth but men are superior at providing sperm. By saying this M has actually acknowledged that both are equally valuable, which is the opposite of sexism. {Hurricanevolcano Quote} 1. see above. not equal and not equally valuable are not the same thing. "Why? Should it be compatible with outdated concepts and call men and women equal, while it is crystal clear that they are far from being equal?" 1. again, see above. "…you think that equality is either justice or better than justice." 1. for the first part, see above. 2. for the second part about equality: What M says here is true. The pro is confusing "equality" or sameness with "having equal value". Two different things can have equal value while not being equal. "Feminism harrases women who love this concept. Islam is not touched in any way by this. It is not touched by anything. It stands out as a religion of justice, not outdated concepts like equality." 1. this quote has nothing to do with sexism. 2. Feminism as M is probably seeing it (female chauvinism) does in fact subjugate women by separating them from the rest of the equal-value loving society. "There is no hard case for me here because I can explain all those. In fact, to add more on the discrimination against me, you actually 1. this is irrelevant to resolution. rape is not just against women and even if it M very clearly does not claim that this action is ok by him or islam… "Everybody should be treated justly. Not once have you explained why equality is better than justice. And both are 1. AGAIN M explicitly claims that people ought to have equal value, equal justice. "What I am saying is … sister shoudn't, he ignored it" 1. if you look to any of the previous quotes by M this is actually exactly what he is proposing. That women and men have equal value and that this is ok even if they are not the same. 2. M has never in these quotes given any indication that men and women ought to be treated exactly the same way (men getting massages) this is ridiculous considering they are different (not equal) and that they have different experiences. "They are pure and will make us both happy, ... This is all good and happy." 1. wanting both members of a marriage to be happy… such sexism… "Yes, it is. It is based on debunked scientific theories where people thought that women and men were the same in psychology etc. Now, we know that they are different, and need to be treated differently" 1. men and women think differently and have different brain chemistry, this has been proven numerous times by practically every single test done on humans related to moods, thoughts, and things like depression drugs. "No, if a man is on the verge of literally going crazy about his wife, he is allowed to calm himself down by lightly beating her with something" 1. people abuse each other all the time, that doesn't mean one is less valuable than the other. also he emphasizes lightly, clearly showing concern for the other party. "… marriage contract." 1. actually agreeing to rules before marriage is a good idea. Of course, as M says, this can be changed if the women wants it to. Thus, there is no reason to believe that M is implying that women are less valuable than men. "No, I am not going to be dumb and say that a man has the right to get pregnant and give birth to a child." 1. A man cannot give birth, and thus having the right to do this is entirely irrelevant. "So, what is so bad about 1. again, M shows that he believes women and men to be of equal value. If the pro claims that any of the previous quotes are sexist against women, and yet implies that this could be sexist against men (" "My position is Islam teaches sexism, and M agrees so uses it and common defenses of Islam from getting to be labled sexist." [and the quran stuff] 1. quran ! = modern beliefs. Take a Christian(like me). I do not believe that it is a sin to eat meat or that murder is ok(neither does any Christian I know). Yet, both of things show up in the bible numerous times. JUST BECAUSE A HOLY BOOK SAYS SOMETHING DOES NOT MEAN ALL FOLLOW IT. As with the bible older rules designed to maintain religious control over society are dropping away. 2. none of the quotes from the link talk about the value of a women. One talks about rights in society which, again, has nothing to do with value. For example, in our society children have less rights than adults, but are not regarded as less valuable. In fact many believe the exact opposite. Given the quotes here it is clear that M does not believe that women are less valuable than men. On "using religion as a shield": First, by claiming that M used his religion as a shield Lovelife claims that he hides behind the mandate of his religion. Considering that it appears the debate these quotes came from was religious in nature, M was not hiding behind his religion, but simply explaining what he believed. believing something due to faith and hiding behind faith are not the same