Abortion

I am just clarifying some of the things you asked and adding some sources to my previous arguments. Point 1: You have not proven anything. The 93rd Congress was held in 1973 and 1974, and your doctor has no statistics to back his argument up. You have no statistics from after the year 2000 like I asked. Since you have not produced any statistics from even after the year 1985, then I guess you can not find a source for the year 2000. Point 2: Do you think the body was handed back to the family? There is no way to get the body besides going to the aborter himself, and he has probably fled the scene by then. The aborter may have even destoryed the body to destory the incriminating evidence. Point 3: Again, you have not proven abortion is unjustified. There are few, unbiased facts on the abortion debate. Your graph showed "induced abortions". Underground or illegal is not used in the graph or article. Your point was completely false. Plus, we are proving whether or not abortion is justified in this debate. Point 4: Going to a foreign country to have an abortion is not illegal, but it is bypassing the law. It is not illegal. And it's better to afford the one round-trip airplane ticket than the price of one child meantioned in Round 3. Point 5: There is no need to post a quote because I have the week(s) that the article states. Check the article if you do not believe me. Point 6: A simple logic rebuttal is this: Would the poor treat their children any better if abortion was prohibited? The simple answer is no. In fact, they have more children to abuse under the prohibition of abortion. Point 7: I don't think you read the whole quote. Especially this part: "These children who were born because their mothers were denied an abortion were substantially more likely to be involved in crime, even when controlling for the income, age, education and health of the mother." And another logic failure on your part is your phrase: "You are just saying "well they keep it". That proves htey love the baby and killing it would actulaly hurt their minds". Wrong. They wanted to abort the baby in the first place. But when born, they don't want their child to suffer the horrors of the foster care system. And I have never heard you use the phrase: "needed adoption". You have not used it. Point 8: More logic failure. Here is more simple logic. "Say abortion is still illegal. Then the 1 million babies aborted each year would raise the unemployment rate tremendously (based on Guttermacher estimates on abortion, unemployment would be between 15-20%). More babies from the 1980s now=a higher unemployment and povery rate." And more simple logic. "Say abortion is still illegal. Than the 56 million babies that would have survived may pay more taxes, but since over 90% are in the bottom 47% of the population (money wise), they don't pay any taxes (Look it up if you doubt me about the 47% not paying taxes). Also, they are sucking up Government Welfare money. So they would increase the Government Debt, not decrease". Point 9: Your sources may be from Government websites, but your statistics do not take into account that we were in a boom period for your earlier statistic, and headed into a recession for your later statistic. Naturally, the later year would have a higher poverty level than the earlier year. And my wikipedia source was on when the recessions started, nothing on abortion. Better statistics please. Point 10: This point is irrelevant now. Now we are debating on the cases of crime, poverty, and health. Point 11: Again, me; 8 sources vs. you; 4 sources. I will even add more. These are additional sources. http://www.thedailybeast.com...; After the 24th week http://www.cbsnews.com...; 20-28 weeks http://theweek.com...; After the 24th week http://journals.lww.com...; 28-30 weeks http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...; 26 weeks http://www.newscientist.com...; 26 weeks Statistics: Me; 15-37 weeks; 14 sources You; 6-8 weeks; 4 sources. 14 to 4 lead for me. First Page of Google: 1 in your favor, 8 in mine Second Page of Google none in your favor; 7 in mine Next. HINT: I am not trying to have a link war. I am just proving that the vast majority and accepted theory on when fetuses feel pain is 20-30 weeks. Point 12: In addition to the three sources posted earlier, "About 11 to 12 percent of women in general suffer from mental health issues like anxiety or depression, but among women with unwanted pregnancies that figure rises to about one third""We should be looking at what it is about the unwanted pregnancy stage that is so problematic.":http://yourlife.usatoday.com... "This review identified several factors that are predictive of more negative psychological responses following first-trimester abortion among women in the United States. Those factors included:Perceptions of stigma, need for secrecy, and low or anticipated social support for the abortion decision; A prior history of mental health problems; Personality factors such as low self-esteem and use of avoidance and denial coping strategies; and Characteristics of the particular pregnancy, including the extent to which the woman wanted and felt committed to it.":http://www.apa.org... "To obtain the conclusion it did, the RCP picked and chose among the available studies, excluding many of those offering strong evidence of the connection between abortion and mental health issues. Coleman identified 19 literature reviews and 20 empirical studies involving risk factors for post-abortion health problems that were ignored by the RCP team.":http://www.nationalrighttolifenews.org... I have proved my point about lower social status and mental illness, and tied abortion to it. Meaning, its the lower social status, not the abortion causing the mental illness. But the main reason is the stress of the unwanted pregnancy. The long the unwanted pregnancy, the more mental effects. So if women are denied an abortion, there will be a significant increase in mental illness. Point 13: http://www.usatoday.com...; non-bias http://feministsforchoice.com... http://reproductiverights.org...; three more studies Again, as stated earlier, higher stress women have more mental problems. This extends to breast cancer. Again, that unwanted pregnancy. Point 14: Proving it is likely, but will take a long time. Plus, there is a difference between adopted and cared for. Point 15: Relate to the foster care debate. But more importantly, that comment that parents will overwhelmingly keep children that were born because she was denied an abortion disproves your point. ==End Conclusion== I have essentially crushed the pro-Life argument. Through logic and sources, I have proved my arguments and disproved my opponent's arguments. VOTERS: Please read this whole debate. It will serve you better. Sorry to have to make you read such a long debate. 16KADAMS: Thank you for this great debate. Thank you for accepting this debate, and thank you for debating with me. This was a good and clean debate. Thank you.