he bible should NOT BE READ to children! The bible should NOT BE READ by children! It is dangerous.

I gave a no arguments barred way of looking at it regardless if its "edgy" or not. Its quite simple really, god hates children. Well see you have no idea who wrote the bible and um no, its supposed to be perfect, written by god himself in which he would never use text as a source of communication to begin with, the worst source of communication possible. "If god is all knowing and he knows the future of all events and he wrote a book that can only be interpreted as if it endorses slavery and if its heinous violence against your children against your neighbors" how could a god be that omnipotent and devise a book where we can"t distinguish between the law of Israel and god"s law? I mean their interwoven where we have metaphor and fact and nobody can distinguish the two. We don"t know what we"re supposed to take figuratively. We don"t know what we"re supposed to take literally. Was it actually a tree? I mean come on. How can anyone distinguish this. I mean come on. It doesn"t make any sense. It doesn"t matter how its translated. It doesn"t matter what version. If it was written by an omnipotent being there would be ONE VERSION. And there would be only ONE WAY to interpret it because it would be written well." Aron Ra Actually it wouldn"t be written at all. What"s wrong with your god comin" down and talking to people? "Hey you know some of that stuff that"s in the book? I"m here to correct it." Matt Dillahunty "We have to rely on copies of copies of anonymous authors with no originals and the textural testimony to a miracle for example, there"s no amount of reports, anecdotal reports that is sufficient to justify in believing that actually happened as reported. And anything that would qualify as a god would clearly understand this and if it wanted to clearly convey this to people in a way that is believable would not be relying on ---TEXT--- to do so. And this to me is the nail in the coffin for christianity. The god that christians believe in is amazingly ---STUPID---!!! If it actually wants to achieve its goal by spreading its word to humanity by relying on text, by relying on languages that die off, by relying on anecdotal testimony, that"s not a pathway to truth. And anything that would qualify for a god would know this.which shows either god does not exist or doesn"t care enough about the people to understand the nature of evidence to actually present it. Now which of those two possibilities is accurate?" Matt Dillahunty "If jesus and Muhammad and abraham and moses had never been born, which in any case I tend to dabble, if all their stories were untrue were suddenly found and everyone had to admit it some people I know would show panic. Now what would we do? We"d have no morals suddenly. What could be more nonsensical than that? As the matter of fact the position that we occupy would---be---precisely---the---same as it is now if none of these texts had ever been written, as if none of these lacerations had ever been made. We would still have to reason together about how how to treat one another, about how to build a just city, and about how to have irony and a sense of humor." Christopher Hitchens Yes you got that one right so there"s copies upon copies upon copies upon copies upon translations upon translations upon translations upon translations with dead languages with dead languages with a 0% chance of tracing it back to the original so NOBODY knows if they are interpreting correctly from 2,000 years ago. "However, the Bible changes over time;" Actually no the bible does NOT change over time because there"s nobody that can interpret correctly from any original. And god is bigoted himself. "Even if the Bible were something that is truly so vile, so evil, so disgusting that it"s defined as immoral by millions, children still deserve the right to see it." Should children have the right to see necrophilia, rape, cannibalism, womens innards being ripped apart, children being torn apart by bears, babies being dashed upon rocks, the extermination of all life except for just a few little things etc etc etc? Oh yeah its all there in YOUR bible. So NO children do NOT have the right to see it. etc etc? "The e A quote by Sir Francis Bacon, "ipsa scientia potestas est," roughly translates to "knowledge itself is power."" Since when does god give children "knowledge or power" of any in his bible? It is so crystal clear that you have not read your bible AT ALL. So PLEASE STOP BEING THE FRICKEN TYPICAL CHRISTIAN AND INVENTING EXCUSES. K? The free will argument is not a good argument at all. Because if you believe in your god, then you have no free will of any kind. None. You show me or anyone where in the bible, anywhere that YOUR christian god says something to the effect of "I the LORD thy god grants man free will." The fact of the matter is, is that it doesn't exist. Not anywhere. So in fact your god does NOT grant you Free Will of any kind. Period. But in truth, I hope you find it because then that would mean that YOUR bible hypocritically contradicts itself YET AGAIN for the thousandth time or so with all of its inconsistencies, because there so many verses that prove that god does not, by any means, grant Free Will. http://www.youtube.com... - All Knowing god versus Free Will: The Greatest Religious Contradiction http://www.youtube.com... - Free Will With god http://www.youtube.com... - god Favors Evil http://www.youtube.com... - god allows Free Will? Another example in fact god shuts you down with Free Will all over his bible. A perfect example of that are the 10 commandments... Threatening people with death as all of the 10 commandments do except for one is taking Free Will away. Thankfully pretty much no one follows the justice followed by the ridiculous mayhem madness god. There"s so much more on free will to absolutely squash you that its not even funny. Then you get into stupid pathetic sin"Sin is contradictory in your bible. Thus sin does not exist. Does every man sin? Yes. There is no man who does not sin (I Kings 8:46; see also 2 Chronicles 6:36; Proverbs 20:9; Ecclesiastes 7:20; and I John 1:810) No. True Christians cannot possibly sin, because they are the children of God. Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ is a child of God.. (I John 5:1). We should be called children of God; and so we are (I John 3: 1). He who loves is born of God (I John 4:7). No one born of God commits sin; for Gods nature abides in him, and he cannot sin because he is born of God (I John 3:9). But, then again, Yes! If we say we have no sin we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us (I John 1:8) Matt Dillahunty "What is sin and why should I care about it? I understand why I should live an ethical life and treating people in certain ways, we have secular foundations for moral systems. But sin from the christian perspective is a crime against god or god"s nature itself - right? If god makes the rules and you violate it, that"s a sin. Well what if god makes a rule that you should kill your child, does that make it good? Caller " Yeah that"s where I do things that are not aligned in what the bible says." Matt "Yeah. But are they good things? Do you have good reasons to have that the things you are doing are not immoral? Like do you have an example? Like don"t confess to a crime or anything. For example the bible is opposed to homosexuality. Do you think there"s something immoral about those who are homosexuals?" Caller "Uh there"s none that I can think of." Matt "Yeah me neither. And so if the bible"s opposed to it add the bible is the word of god, and the Koran is opposed to it as well and the Koran is supposed to be the word of god as well, and there are two holy books and let them argue over who god is and what god thinks and until they can come up with a sound secular justification for homosexualiy being immoral then I don"t need to pay their views any money because its just an opinion at that point." There's a lot more on sin. "Think of it this way; The North Korean Regime is one of the most brutal dictatorships in the world. They rewrite the past constantly," Wow and hold on here and you don"t think for a single second that your god, the most brutal dictator in history, by far an no one comes close, after all he creates everybody knowing what everybody will be doing before they do it, that is if god is god, thus once again proving that there is no free will, and proving that everybody is a robot, but then again nobody, not one person can even prove that god even exists, lies to his prophets in his bible, commits countless genocides and you and all who are religious and worship this god somehow think its PERFECTLY OK? Wow. What a washed up brain you must have in being a contradictory hypocrite just like your god. "All in all, to censor the bible would be to censor the past." Um no the simple and correct and proper solution is to get rid of it. "The simple solution is to chuck the bible out because we don"t need it for anything, even if there are things in it which there undoubtedly are, even if there are things that are good which there undoubtedly are" they"re not good because they"re in the bible, they"re not good because they come from a god, they are good because they are good, and they are something that we can discover without ever having to appeal to an old book and without having to tap dance around and sacrifice our humanity to make excuses about how we treat rape victims, and how we own people as property, and how there"s some "GRAND CONTEXT" in which all of this isn"t very bad. You have sacrificed your humanity for genuflecting to your religion. And its abominable." Matt Dillahunty SUMMARY I've been A LOT nicer than normal and bit into YOUR conversation when I normally don't. If you wish this to continue, keep the subject matter about children and the bible.