Only In Certain Circumstances Is Abortion Ethical

Starting off with my weak links, I usually try to make sure that I find a sites that have the same data and find the one that states the information the clearest. [1][2] Looking back, not sure why I decided Movement for a Better America rather than life news. That one is my bad, but I still think I have a sufficient claim that the ratio for aborted to adopted are just about the same. Before I move on, I'd like to make a point that the frc site, though with some interesting points, may not be the best place to gather information. [3] If you give me specific arguments from there and provide another source for the science they use I will address them directly. Glad you summed up why you felt like it’s okay to abort the vegetables. It’s your religion, that’s not the debate. I think I’ll just leave this point alone.“She could have more children if she were to choose so and they would all be better off than the aborted child would be if it were to survive.”I quote myself when I state this. By better off, I suppose I am saying that children in these conditions have a higher chance of potential for success. “I am against abortion not only because what a fetus is (which is human) but also what he/she could be.”In this statement, it seems you are arguing for the potential of the child who comes first.It is interesting how we both perceive the potential of a child as a major factor. I still stand by my idea, as yes, there is potential for success in the child, but if we simply to look at the odds of success, the first child would hurt the chances of the second child and the mother herself. (As I stated, the mother could set up a strong career for herself, and be a success on her own accord.)I don’t quite see the logic in “Why is it that you and I get the chance to live life while those million unborn children you were referring to can't? And wouldn't you agree that that's unfair? Just a little?” Me and you get the chance to live because our parents decided to keep us. Our parents were either ready (as in my case), convinced Pro-life was the right decision, or they felt there was no other option but to keep us. This part seems straightforward.Now, I look at the second part of this which brings in the idea of ‘fair.’ Guess what? Life and Death aren’t fair, and apparently existence isn’t either. I would like to point out that if every unborn child was born, many more families would be living in poverty and the adoption system would be far worse, even cruel to put people in. (The number of kids would put a drain on resources, there would be less homes available to them, and due to the before-mentioned resource drain and taxes, less homes would be able to keep a child.)By the way, it wouldn’t be an extra million children in the world. That was the average per year. If we multiply that by 17 (18 is adulthood) that will be significantly more than 17 million. (We both rounded down to a million.)Compare that with the adopted 2 million (120000*17= 2040000) and we still have around 15 million children running around without homes. To be honest, there probably would be women who would be more pro-active about contraception if abortion was illegal, so I think taking 5 million would be far more than enough. An additional 10 million children is still severely damaging to the economy, and countless amounts of Poverty-ridden Americans who would have to work for whatever paid, taking jobs and still damaging the economy even further by relying on the handouts of the government. I know you’ve heard this before as I think many pro-choice bring it up, but it is a good measure of population control. “...but as you suggested by saying that you focus more on the people rather than the individual it all depends on perspective. On this debate I do tend to focus more on the individual's right.” “A matter of perspective” is why we are arguing. You don’t say my thinking is wrong, you just say yours is different. If neither of these is ‘wrong,’ then they have equal merit and thus they should be decided by an individual. Pro-Choice is mainly about giving the decision to the individual, Pro-Life believes that the choice is made for them when they become pregnant. You should argue about why the individual is more important than mankind, not just accepting that we think differently. Accepting both are right technically makes me correct (As I stated, the idea of pro-choice alone would do this.)Back for the ‘playing God’ portion, I guess I do have to say that it doesn’t strike me a morally wrong. If we have sufficient reasons to believe that choosing life/ death for someone is okay, then I think that it is acceptable for people to make that decision. Also, what right does God have to decide if we live or die anyhow?“Assuming that you are from the US, your country's motto is basically "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.". The US Constitution is all about the individual and their rights. So it seems pretty funny how while abortion is legal (to my knowledge) in most states, the practice is very much against natural law. Taking the individual's basic right to life.”Wouldn’t for most women, motherhood be taking away the pursuit of happiness, and the choice of whether or not they had to be a murder a theft of Liberty?In Roe V. Wade, the court decided that it was a right of privacy was the main reason of allowing abortion [4]. By the way, that was a legal matter, and we are talking about ethics, they may not always be the same, and I think law is more of an appeal to authority than proof of right and wrong. (Unless you can create an argument about why it’s right, such as abortion is morally okay. If we used law as the determining factor, this would be over. Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness you can argue using as they are ideas that hold value in this country.) “Pain and emotions are the first stage of thinking. According to this article electrical brain activity can be detected by the 6th week of pregnancy so though it may not feel it is certainly not unconscious.”To think is defined as "to believe that something is true, that a particular situation exists, that something will happen." [5]Thought is another form of think, brainwave activity is not the same as thought. Also conscious is defined “as awake and able to understand what is happening around you” [6] Correct me if I’m wrong, but I don’t think this describes the characteristics of a fetus.1. http://www.lifenews.com...2. http://www.abort73.com...(They have different numbers stated, but the first site explains why.)3. http://www.splcenter.org...4. http://en.wikipedia.org...5. http://www.merriam-webster.com... 6. http://www.merriam-webster.com...