Metal takes more skill than Rap

Wow. My opponent has made no arguments of his own, has misrepresented or ignored every point I've made and has spammed the debate with no less than 14 music videos. He set up this debate saying: "I am here to argue that metal and all of it's sub-genres takes more skill than rap and all of it's sub-genres" so presumably he has some points of his own that he would like to make. Merely responding to my contentions is not sufficient, he should also make his own case as I stated last round. _______________ The quote from KRS is not relevant to the resolution but it is relevant to an understanding of what hip hop music is. "Rap is something you do, hip hop is something you live" that's why if you type "rap music" into Wiki you are re-directed to the more correctly titled "hip hop music". As far as it being mere opinion, the same could be said for every statement my opponent makes. ____________ Pro: "Many hip-hop artist have senseless lyrics that do not deal with anything and is just worldly bragging such as [link to Lil' Wayne lyrics] As you will notice these lyrics are not well thought out at all as my opponent stated hip-hop lyrics are more thought out and better than rock/metal lyrics." This is one massive logical fallacy. Firstly, I gave specific examples and reasons why hip hop lyrics (in general) required more effort and skill than metal lyrics (in general) and Pro has reduced this to "more thought out and better" ignoring all of my individual points. He posts the lyrics of one tune with no real subject matter and ignorant content, claiming that this proves that most hip hop lyrics are "not well thought out". Lil' Wayne =/= most hip hop music. One example does not prove anything about an entire genre and for every ignorant rap tune my opponent finds, I'm sure I can find an ignorant metal tune to match it. Pro is attempting to argue rap vs. metal by comparing some of the worst examples of hip hop with some of the best examples of metal. This is unfair and when I have referenced metal acts I have referenced respected and quality artists including ones mentioned on my opponent's profile. I'm not a Lil' Wayne fan, I think he's whack; but I think even in this example, the lyrics are more complicated than a lot of metal in some ways. There are more lyrics, far more complicated rhyme structures (honestly, ignore the Bugatti bollox and scroll down a bit to see complex multi-syllabic rhymes that still make sense) and a lot of clever wordplay, mostly based around pop culture references. Pro then claims that his example of a metal tune that deals with emotions shows that metal lyrics are more thought out but doesn't explain why. The lyrics he posted are extremely simple and repetitive in terms of structure and rhyme but I quite like the image of the Chelsea smile being the only way to get a real smile out of him (the Chelsea smile is a gruesome act of mutilation involving slicing both sides of the face from lip to ear with a razor blade, it is named after hooligan supporters of Chelsea FC who used to employ it on rivals http://en.wikipedia.org...). As the only comment Pro makes about the lyrics is that it deals with feelings, I can only assume that this is his sole criteria for assessing quality in lyrics. If that is indeed the case he should check out these hip hop tunes that deal with emotions on a realistic but very deep level. http://www.mp3lyrics.org... Passin' Me By deals with being unable to express one's emotion to a girl. http://www.lyricsmania.com... Looking At The Front Door discusses a relationship on the verge of breakdown. http://www.ohhla.com... In "Last Good Sleep" by Company Flow, rapper/producer El-P describes witnessing the physical abuse of his mother as a child and breaking down in tears as a grown man when he hears the sounds of domestic violence from his neighbour's residence. Then there's Eminem. Pro: "My opponent then states that hip-hop has more and better rhythm then metal which I will now provide a list of just a few melodic metal songs" This is actually a total straw-man argument as my point was simply that *the lyrics* required more rhythmic consistency and sophistication, not the genre as a whole. My opponent has misconstrued my argument. In any case, melody and rhythm are quite separate things so I don't see the relevance of the melodic metal at all. As far as lyrics go, my opponent has ignored my points about lyrics being the focus of hip-hop, about the non-lyrical quality of a lot of metal vocals, about hip-hop songs having more lyrics on average, about rhymes, about the rhythm of the vocals, about word-play and about metaphors. _________________ As for the issue of manual dexterity, my opponent has again ignored the crux of my argument. I was comparing two specific hip hop DJ skills (beat juggle and crab scratch) with specific metal musician skills (playing a simple riff, bassline or backbeat). I can play the drums and I can scratch (although I'm quite a lot better at the latter, having spent many times over as long practicing it), I also teach. I can train a five-year-old to play a backbeat in 10 minutes but it would take me months to teach an adult to crab with any control. Pro: "listen to the drums in this song all real yet again listen to the drums" This is no kind of an argument. Even if my opponent had left some indication which song he was referring to, he would still need to explain why his example displayed more manual dexterity http://www.google.co.uk... than striking the crossfader with four fingers and thumb to make it move back and forth eight times in under a second. __________ Pro: "nearly every rap musician today uses the auto-tune effect on their voice" If my opponent really wishes, then I'm sure I could provide a list of well over a hundred rappers recording today who have never and would never use auto-tune software on their vocals, I would use the comments section rather than the debate to do so if requested. Please don't make such hideous generalisations about hip hop, there is far more to it than T-Pain and Lil' Wayne (I would be loathe to even consider T-Pain as hip hop). Pro: "These musicians do not posses the vocal talents of..." Of who? Pavarotti? ;) As well as explaining who he is referring to, my opponent should give reasons why (a) is better or worse than (b) rather than just stating it as fact. ______ Pro: "I challenge my opponent to find a rapper/rap group with as much talent as any of these but for my final argument Find a rapper/rap group that preforms with so much energy that they get the crowd to do this" Again, I can't be sure which of his many videos my opponent is referring to here. I would request that he try to refrain from posting 45 minutes of music in the next round and suggest that if he does think that video is the best format to prove his arguments that he makes it clear which videos his text refers to. If he wants to debate individuals or specific groups then he should define the criteria for "talent", "energy" etc. and tell me who I should compare my choices with. _________ Once again, as Pro and Instigator, my opponent needs to make concrete arguments of his own as well as addressing my points directly. Thanks. Con.