Rom 10:9-10 teaches Lordship salvation

Swordmaster's response: Question 1. Acts 22:16 answers that to get their sins washed away by the blood of Jesus. 2. Gal 3:27 to Get into Christ Where all spiritual blessing are Eph 1:3 To Obey the Gospel of Christ of which is God's power to save Ro 1:16, 4. To Received the gift of Christ which is the Seal of the Holy Spirit Acts 2:38. 5. To Get their sins forgiven Acts 2:38. 6 To be clothed with Christ Gal 3:27, Question 2. Romans 8:9 teaches if we have the spirit were saved. In Acts 10:44-48 when are they saved??? Sword master response They were saved when they obeyed the gospel of Christ, through being baptized. The reason the Holy Spirit fell upon them was not to save them but to show the Jews that the Gospel was also for the gentiles. This is such a big topic I cannot do it justice for I do not have room. I once read an article on lordship salvation from a Baptist publication. I thought it strange that 2 supposing authorities on the bible would even have to talk about such a matter. One said all you have to do is accept Jesus as savior and the other says you must accept Jesus not only as Savior, but Lord. The big thing to them was work salvation. You can not separate the 2 is what the bible teaches. Jesus said in Luke 6:46, "But why do you call Me 'Lord, Lord,' and not do the things which I say?" Matt 7:21-23, "21 "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?' 23 And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness! And to add to all of this look at Heb 3:15-19, "while it is said: "Today, if you will hear His voice, Do not harden your hearts as in the rebellion." c 16 For who, having heard, rebelled? Indeed, was it not all who came out of Egypt, led by Moses? 17 Now with whom was He angry forty years? Was it not with those who sinned, whose corpses fell in the wilderness? 18 And to whom did He swear that they would not enter His rest, but to those who did not obey? 19 So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief." A hard heart is one that is in rebellion to the word of God. Just like the Israelites who would not listen or obey God. As a matter of a fact in verse 18 we see the reason why they could not enter into God's rest, BECAUSE THEY DID NOT BELIEVE. Notice verse 19, They could not enter into God's rest BECAUSE THEY DID NOT OBEY! In verse 15, while it is said: "Today, if you will hear His voice, Do not harden your hearts as in the rebellion." A hard heart is one that does not obey the will of God and an disobedient heart is one that is considered by God a heart of unbelief. Rom 10:9-10 9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. Remember this passage has to harmonize with the book it is written in and with what every other writer has taught concerning it. The confession with the mouth means nothing without obedience to Jesus as Lord. Believing in your heart means nothing without action to back up that belief. Righteousness and salvation are the same thing, for you cannot be saved and be considered unrighteous. Plan truths that Andy denies. Andy would have you believe that as long as you say I believe your being obedient. Lets review calling on the name of the Lord. Gen 4:26, Gen 12:8, Gen 13:4, Gen 16:13, Gen 21:33 In every one of these times they called on the Name of the Lord, Yet without sacrifices being offered for their sins, they would not have been considered believing, faithful, or saved. Now look at Rom 10:13 For "whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved." We must Harmonize our understanding with other passages that talk about the same thing. Acts 22:16 "And now why are you waiting? Arise and be baptized, and wash away your sins, calling on the name of the Lord.'" 2 points First, Saul had been in Prayer before he was talked to by Ananias, Acts 9: 3-6 As he journeyed he came near Damascus, and suddenly a light shone around him from heaven. 4 Then he fell to the ground, and heard a voice saying to him, "Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting Me?" 5 And he said, "Who are You, Lord?" Then the Lord said, "I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting. It is hard for you to kick against the goads." 6 So he, trembling and astonished, said, "Lord, what do You want me to do?" Then the Lord said to him, "Arise and go into the city, and you will be told what you must do. 1.Saul believed in Jesus 2.But there was something he must do, He must be believing Acts 9:9 And he was three days without sight, and neither ate nor drank. Note: Paul is fasting. Acts9: 11 "So the Lord said to him, "Arise and go to the street called Straight, and inquire at the house of Judas for one called Saul of Tarsus, for behold, he is praying." Note: he is praying and fasting, Yet there is something he must do, for he is not saved, But according to Andy he is. For all Andy teaches is repent and believe. Paul is at this point but he is not saved. Ananias gives the command Acts 22:16 "And now why are you waiting? Arise and be baptized, and wash away your sins, calling on the name of the Lord.'" Just like all those in the old testament who called on the name of the Lord, without sacrifices being offered for their sins, they would not have been considered believing, faithful, or saved. So Paul without being baptized would not have been considered believing, faithful, or saved. When one calls on the name of the Lord, that is a term that means they humble themselves before God trusting totally in him, and that is displayed through our obedience to Him. But Andy don't believe this, obedience is not necessary and Paul was saved before he was baptized according to him. Why they was sin still on him in verse 16? Andy can not harmonize these passages. Notice He has not said much of anything, except he disagrees with me. Rom 10:15 And how shall they preach unless they are sent? As it is written: "How beautiful are the feet of those who preach the gospel of peace, g Who bring glad tidings of good things!" h 16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Isaiah says, "Lord, who has believed our report?" Note Was Ananias sent to Saul? Yes, Was the gospel of Peace preached to Saul? Yes, Did Ananias good things to Paul in his teachings? Yes, Did Saul Obey the gospel of Christ, Yes and did he do the same things Peter told the Jews who believed and ask what must we do, as he gave that great order, That Billy Gram never gave, repent and Be baptized Upon the name of Jesus Christ into the forgiveness of your sins, and Ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. Saul did those things. Saul followed Rom 10:9-10, is teaching us to make Jesus our Lord and when you believe that, the bible says Matt 12:35, A good man out of the good treasure of his heart brings forth good things, and an evil man out of the evil treasure brings forth evil things. Andy do you treasure Jesus? Do you treasure his word and his gospel? Are you willing to obey Jesus in becoming obedient to his gospel, By being baptized, (Not for the false reason of an out ward sign of an inward faith) But for the remission of sins, are you willing to be buried with Christ, Die with Christ, to self sin and the world? Are you willing to be raised with Christ to walk in newness of life. Andy you asked: "Why would anyone obey Jesus command to be baptized if he wasn't already saved." Andy believes that it does not matter what you believe as long as you believe in Jesus, Jesus teaches believing is not enough if it is not accompanied with actions, for he is Lord and King!!