LM Classic: Logical-Master vs ToastofDestiny

Foreword: "Amazo duplicating the Force" should be retitled 'Battle Strategy'. It was a point I was going to bring up, but forgot to change. === FTL Travel === Agreed, we are debating with characters who can do the extraordinary. However, they are doing battle in NYC - we must consider the environment. If this battle took place on Jupiter, Jean Grey, Haru, and Northstar would be killed immediately, and Brit would be completely immobilized. Doomsday would eventually adapt. The environment is a pertinent issue. If an FTLer came into our NYC, he or she would not be able to travel FTL. They could approach the speed of light, but never reach it. My line of reasoning doesn't invalidate my character's or Pro's. Sora could easily FTL in his universe. If Northstar were there, he may be able to, before dying from injury sustained by FTL travel. === Warp Snipe and Force Sight === Dropped. Pro's evidence suffices to affirm those points. === Battle Strategy === While I may rely on Jean being alive, Pro is equally reliant on her being dead. The winner of the battle between Jean and Revan determines who wins this Team War. I will now address Pro's numbered points. 1) Force Sight isn't an instant viewing tool. Also, all the instances of force sense being used to detect other beings seem to be either great tragedies, as when the Death Star eliminated an entire planet, or close ones in great danger, as when Luke Skywalker detects the peril of his friends. While Jean may need Cerebro in a populated NYC, it is unlikey she would in an un-populated NYC. There is no need for her to screen minds that she finds - the moment she picks up a signal, she knows that it's Team Pro. Furthermore, having all five fighters in one area, it would be relatively easy for her to pick up on their locations and crush them. 2) Jedi rely on more than just physical ability to deflect blasters - they use a form of precognition to predict where lasers will strike and move in advance. Force speed seems to affect physical speed, not mental abilities. Also, it just allows them to sprint for long times, or have sudden accelerated movements. The source states that force speed is quite tiriing. 3) While the apprentice may be able to pull a starship to the ground, he is unable to stop it at the end of the video, and has to flee. Also, whenever there is a distraction (smaller ships attacking) he has to cease. I would say several tons of crushing force is a distraction. 4) Building point dropped. My opponent's entire case is based on Revan beating Jean. Remember, Jean is an Omega-level mutant (http://en.wikipedia.org...), and widely claimed to be the most powerful psychic in Marvel. My previous strategies still stand: 1) Allow Jean to pop Sora, Batman, Amazo, and Spiderman in that order. 2) Mind control any of the above, likely Amazo, and ensure a debacle. 3) Disarm Sora telekinetically and have Haru (using Silfarion for speed) and Northstar destroy Team Pro at hypersonic speed. 4) Mind control Batman, making him teleport Team Pro out of NYC. 5) Mind control Sora and triple speedblitz Team Pro. In addition: 6) Jean serves as a kamikaze, mind controlling Amazo before dying. 7) Brit wraps Jean in an embrace, giving her physical protection from Sora, allowing my team to survive (Brit makes an invulnerable shield). 8) Haru uses his sword form Million Suns and Northstar emits flashes of light to prevent Sora from seeing their exact locations. 9) Haru uses Melforce to generate a vortex of air around Jean, paralyzing those who come in contact with it. He can project this around my entire team to protect them. 10) Haru uses Runesave, even if he dies in the process, to seal off the Keyblade's magical abilities. 11) Haru uses Explosion if Jean dies, assuring Sora's injury if the Keyblade strikes him (if Sora or the blade touch Explosion, Explosion releases an explosion).