cause+effect=logic

There are several arguments that you made that I would like to refute and one that you made that I must think you made in error. You claim: "everything that exist has an opposite for it to exist" I'm not sure how this relates to logic. It does not relate to cause and effect, unless you are claiming that a cause it the opposite of its effect or vice-versa which seems patently false. You say "everything" has an opposite for it to exist. I'm not sure where you came up with that or on what you are basing that assumption, but I would merely suggest that it is possible that at the beginning of our universe, at the beginning of time, perhaps one thing, one spec, one atom existed without an opposite. Whether it be God or merely an atom, if there was one thing in the beginning, there was no opposite. In addition, I'm fairly certain there is no "opposite" of me or you. We are such complex entities that it seems that would be impossible. But keeping with the argument, you proposition is that cause plus (and) effect equals logic. Then you write about the chicken or the egg dilemma, but you fail to tie that logic or lack thereof to the cause and effect = logic argument. Your reasoning "egg=chicken+lay" is very logical for every instance after the first, but there is no logical explanation that the very first egg did NOT result from a chicken (or more likely two chickens) that produce and egg. It seems more likely that some combination of factors came together to form one egg that developed into a chicken, then two chickens "randomly" being formed, mating and having an egg that results in another chicken. You say that: "chaos is simply a non intended cause.." Again, I'm not sure where you came up with this, but assuming that chaos exists, you are again here proving my point in the fact that cause + effect does not equal logic. Intent and its effect on cause is not a logical proposition. Chaos exists and is the very definition of a random, unexplainable effect. Whatever caused the chaos, intended or not, we cannot logically define the effect. That is why chaos and logic, both existing, refutes your cause + effect = logic argument. Chaos is not logical, it is random, it is illogical. You say: logic is not a concept... reasoning is of the mind, logic is true" If logic is not a concept why are we debating whether cause plus effect is its equivalent. If logic is "True" as you claim, can we not debate "truth." Can we not logically find various objective and subjective interpretations of cause and effect. If we can, then your reasoning is defeated. If you believe we cannot, I would merely present three points of a triangle and state that each one of those perceives and experiences a different concept of truth. This again, defeats your cause + effect = logic argument. You also say that: "i contend reason is the opposite of logic and there is no logic in fantasy." I'm assuming that was a mistake on your part, otherwise you are saying that the opposite of logic is reason (a strange notion) and that there is not logic in fantasy. Why the heck not? Many fantasies can have perfectly logical causes/reasons and logical extrapolations. Again, not sure how this comes back to your core argument. I merely say that cause plus effect can be logical and it can be illogical. Inherent in chaos is the randomness of effect, the illogicalness of effect. We don't logically understand it so, we explain it away as something that is outside the realm of logic.