Star Trek vs Star Wars (Ultimate Nerd Showdown)

1.1- Thanks for the history lesson. Now that we have all learned something, let's get back to the argument I made that still stands a few feet to the left of where you have wasted all this ammunition. Star Trek predates Star Wars, it demonstrated the financial solvency of the genre and encouraged the development of the Star Wars movies. Heck, its the probably the reason 21st Century Fox gave the thumbs up to Lucas in the first place. Let me use an anology to make my point. Sure there were all sorts of battles and armies before WWI, but WWI directly lead to WWII. I'm not denying that Sci-Fi existed pre Star Trek, I denying that Star Wars did. Star Trek wins the originality argument. 1.2- You are mixing your misquotes. I said the reboot paid homage while achieving original flavor, and the Star Trek dynasty has managed to evolve over time even past the need for the original characters. Further, when you say "The characters of Star Wars are rich and diverse and still captivate audiences 30 years later." you are only making my point for me. Star Wars has never moved beyond its original characters (except in the expanded universe) in 30 years. It's stale and dormant and empty. Nobody cares because the book is closed, while Star Trek continues to have an unknown future where anything goes. Also your comeback on Marvel was weak, my point was that its fair game for Sci Fi to use alternate reality, not whether Batman is better than Wolverine (which by the way, needs to be our next debate). Star Trek wins the evolution argument. 1.3- When I say "art" I don't mean drawings. I mean that ethereal phenomena that causes us to see something deeper than the special effects or the tightly coiled buns on Carrie Fisher's head. The Star Wars cartoons hardly measure up, they were aimed at kids and had the depth of a fisher price swimming pool. Further, if this is Star Wars' last best hope at reinvention, getting a 2 season cancelled series on a kid's channel, then I think you have sealed the win for Star Trek. Star Trek wins the reinvention argument. 2.1- You say "Every aspect of Star Wars was based on an era of World History, tying it more so to this world than you though." While I find this statement accurate (especially the part about George Lucas' Sci-Fi movies having more connection with the natural world that I, a mere flesh and blood human, does), I also find it to be misguided. Star Wars doesn't present it's audience with a carefully historical, faithfully accurate amalgamation of past philosophies. It offers a gross, cartoonish, cariacature. Like some sort of freshman level history 101 mad-lib. "So the (insert religious warriors) use the (insert religious object) to overcome the (insert scary foreign military power) and save the (insert currently dominant form of government). The End." Feel free to plug in anything into those blanks and you have the basic recipe for Star Wars. Star Trek on the other hand doesn't rip it's script off reruns from the History Channel. It doesn't replay the tired old story we learned in school while only substituting star-ships for tanks and death-stars for Berlin and Jedi for the trusty American heroes. Star Trek puts a fresh and original script out there, and while I'm sure it draws on the past, it doesn't try to dress it up in white plastic suits and hit replay. For crying out loud Lucas didn't even change the name "Storm Trooper". Crikey. Star Trek wins the future vs past argument. 2.1.1- And this by the way raises another point. In Star Wars there are glaring inconsistencies, which are probably the inadvertant remants of Lucas' hodgepodge of poorly studied history. For instance, in "Revenge of the Sith" in the "epic" final battle between Obi Wan and Anakin, Anakin threatens Obi Wan and declares that either Ben is with him, or against him. Obi Wan reflects on how only Sith use absolutes, and so he must provide Anakin with a laser-blade amputation. But am I the only one who saw the problems in this? Obi Wan reflects on his absolute conclusion (that all Sith are bad) as he condemns Anakin for doing the same thing. "Gee, well, I KNOW that ABSOLUTELY all Sith are evil, and I also know that ONLY dirty stinking Sith speak the way I just did, so it's time to kill Anakin". What the heck? This again is why Star Trek is better. Trek often explores the perspective of the perceived enemy. The Borg are spared by Captain Picard because he refuses to commit genocide and annihlate a sentient race, realizing that while the Borg are dangerous, their merely propogating their species the only way they know how. The Klingon eventually integrate with the federation. The Ramulens go back and forth. Even Spock and Jim Kirk begin as enemies. This multi-dimensional approach satisfies an adult hunger for depth and real world character development. Star Trek fans are too mature for this "everybody who uses absolutes is absolutely evil" B.S. Star Trek wins the not being a contradicting self righteous flaming bag of poo argument. 3.1- Stop talking about enjoying little children and just drop this argument. Star Wars is for kids and Star Trek is for grown ups. You can't redeem that and somehow turn it into a good thing. It's not. Also, the guy in the comments section makes a great point, remember how scary "IT" (that clown movie with the guy from Rocky Horror) was when we were 9? Would you really put it up there with Saw? Let's let a 9 year old decide. Star Trek wins the adult nerds of the world and this is without a doubt the most valuable voting issue of the round. 1.1- It must be nice to reject Star Trek's use of alternate reality and then live in one yourself. Apparently you live in a place where Darth Vader isn't Luke's father (spoiler alert, lol, oops a little late on that one) and where the scary guy in the black suit isn't really Haden Christiansen with a James Earl Jones voice modifier. Nice try. Darth is ruined when you pull back the mask and find the kid from Jumper. Just like the Wizard of Oz isn't omnipotent when you see its some old guy behind a curtain. Star Wars has no villain argument. 2.1- While I'm willing to concede that apparently everything Star Wars does is "lush", I am surprised at how fast you just abandoned your bad boy Darth Vader. Last round you couldn't wait to trot him around like a prized pony, now its not really him who's the villain, but the scary old guy in the blanket. Give me a break. Star Trek concedes the "lush" argument, but wins the villain argument. 3.1- Yes it can, and yes he does. Jar Jar ruined Boba the way Hitler ruined Nietzche. And back off Whoopi, at least she can get work (unlike the rest of the cast of Star Wars, minus Harrison). 3.2.2- Youre high if you think the falcon would stand a chance against the Enterprise. It's like comparing a row-boat to the Titanic (minus the lucky icebergs).