If war is murder, than it should be legal for anyone to murder anyone.

My opponent first states that war has pros and cons, what I'm saying is as it stands the cons heavily outwiegh the pros and should cease until war stops targetting unwilling people for death. Killing thousands of people because those people are being tortured does not make sense. If they dislike it I'm sure they could leave via suicide, attacking those that attack them, or even sneaking out of the country if they have the skill. they shouldn't be bombed just because they live there and are dealing with it. Yes many wars are defensive, but defensive to whom? Not everyone in the middle east is bad, not all of them are terrorists, yet we target basically that whole area killing many civilians. Again I'm sure terrorists will get brought up so I will source some info. [1] shows that anyone who is remotely against the U.S or Christian belief are terrorists. The list includes: "Anyone who criticises the president. " "Anyone who disagrees with the Neocon political philosophy. " "Anyone who offered themselves as a human shield to protect brown-skinned people in Palestine, Afghanistan or Iraq. " "Anyone who opposes the war in Afghanistan or Iraq. " "Anyone who joins a demonstration to protest government or corporate actions. " "Anyone who burns a flag. " "Homosexuals. " "Anyone who believes abortion should be the decision of the mother. " "Anyone who teaches evolution instead of creationism. " "Anyone who does not give lip service to a belief in god." Based on that standard I believe almost everyone on DDO would be considered terrorists. [2] shows how the Iraq war is illegal and unjustified, and the soldiers there are nothing but criminals that are glorified protected, and aided by the government instead of killed, like normal criminals. [3] Torture, its real, its common, its the American way, a fine tribute to Hitler. [4] more information You can tell I'm sure that they didn't just get attackers, they got women and children as well. Some of the evils commited include: "Doctors tortured prisoners. 35 pages of government documents. " "Rape, vaginal and anal of men, women and children." "Kicking prisoners to death " "Parent forced to watch son being tortured. " "Government documents show soldiers were ordered to "beat the f-ck out of" prisoners. " "Chaining to the ceilings of cells for days at a time. " "common peroneal strike, aimed at a point just below the knee and intended to disable. Basically pulpifying the legs so they look as though they had though they had been run over by a bus. " "breaking a teen's jaw, then wiring it shut. " "Pulling out fingers and teeth. See Page 49 of Chain of Command. " "Setting vicious dogs on children. " "Raping young Iraqi boys on video. 14 year old being raped. Pulitzer prize winner and breaker of Mai Lai, Seymour Hersch has seen one of the videos. The most horrifying part is the Americans raping a little boy in front of his parents as the little boy screamed" "'Dietary manipulation'. Forcing to eat pork and alcohol forbidden to Muslims. Forcing to eat disgusting things. Forced to eat the contents of a toilet. Forced to drink from a toilet bowl. " "Menstrual Blood. To break the prisoner's reliance on God, a female interrogator would tell the detainee that she was menstruating, touch him, then make sure to turn off the water in his cell so he couldn't wash. Strict interpretation of Islamic law forbids physical contact with women other than a man's wife or family, and with any menstruating women, who are considered unclean. At Guantï¿½namo, a prostitute menstruated on a man strapped the floor. " The list goes on and on and character limits prohibit posting much more. The site records 94 different types of abuse, done to innocent people in the middle east, that if done to American criminals would result in bringing the guard or whoever else did it to justice. My point? It is not justified. It is not much different then Nazi Germany, in this case we are the evil, they are trying to defend against all these acts of horror, and we think of the soldiers as heros. It is quite sickening. Humans are not perfect, but humans can help end the evil and unjustice done and glorified today. Justice is revenge. If you kill your mother's murderer you brought them to justice. If the state does the same they did the same. No one entity should have more freedom then another. If soldiers can do it so should the everyday hard working U.S citizen, over seas, at home, same rights, same treatment. You can't glorify torture and murder for a few thousand while punishing the others, not justly at least. My opponent addresses slavery. Cruel possession of other people, forcing to work hard, with little hope of survival. Yes slavery was wrong, it still is. Should there have been a war? Not unless need be. It would have been easy for the north to over power the south by blockading, and leading the underground railroad. They chose instead to not let the south secede and treat them as a seperate country, to which my solutions would still apply, they chose to get mad, greedy, and lead a war. Both sides thought they were justified, the north wanted freedom of people, the south wanted freedom of choice and freedom of government. My opponent argues methods of war vs war itself what about slavery in that sense? Slavery could be good if you looked at it as saving people from dying, and giving them home and food in exchange for work. Actual practices of slavery were just as wrong as how civilians in the middle east are being treated, and it isn't unique to one war, or even one time frame, we have just devoloped new ways to torture over time. Your worst case scenerio doesn't really work either, What people remember of the Holocaust was the worst case scenerio, and it was very real, and nearlt everyone agrees it was evil. What's changed over the time? Do people never learn? I would like to thank my opponent for this debate and the audience for reading it. ----sources---- [1]http://mindprod.com... [2] http://mindprod.com... [3] http://mindprod.com... [4] http://mindprod.com...