Donald Trump's proposed border wall is more beneficial than not.

I wanted to thank you for this highly competitive debate. It been an honor debating you. It truly has help me learn a little more on this subject. I know this is my last round. So, i will give it one last go around. Israeli Ok. So you were talking about The Israeli wall. Still it the same idea as i mention with Jerusalem. "Israel considers it a security barrier against terrorism" (23) https://en.m.wikipedia.org...; Israeli wall is to protect them from a terrorism attack not from illegal immigrants. Another thing i mention, is this no one want to go in to Israeli because it so hard to get a citizenship there. Trump wall is very different, he want to build it on misguided information. Most walls are build during a time of war. And we are not at war are we? The answer is no. So, this isn't evidence, in support of a wall. They are reasons why this so called wall in Israeli work and that's because no one want to go over there. That's a big reason. Spain fencing "Very good operational cooperation, between Spain, Senegal, Mauritania and Morocco has significantly reduced the pressure on the route towards the Canary Islands and south of Spain"(24) https://openmigration.org... Plus the Refugee Relocation Programme i mention earlier is what really helping with these lower numbers on the immigrants crossing the border. Not so much the fencing you talked about. "Irregular migrants using boats to reach Spain was 78% higher" (25) https://drive.google.com.... (Page11) there is more and more evidence the migrants are using other ways to enter the country. They entering more in the northern part of Africa too. "Walls are never the solution," said Federica Mogherini, the EU High Representative, Foreign Affairs." (26)https://www.aljazeera.com... Trump wall will not work. I will go further in detail on it right now. The tunnels "Border tunnels left unfilled on Mexican side do not fill the tunnels with concrete once they have been discovered." (27) http://www.latimes.com.... You said this "If theonlymethod of sneaking into the country via foot is by tunnel, the numbers would still drastically decrease" You have no proof on this matter. Because the fact is this. If the wall was build. More tunnels will drastically increase. Why? For one the cartels and illegal immigrants would make new tunnels. They already know how to dig these tunnels, so it no mystery. Another thing, they will still use the olds one because it wasn't adequately done right to fill these tunnels. One more thing, there are a lot of tunnels which haven't been found. If you really want to cross the border illegally you will found other ways to cross." You also mentioned "hundreds of thousands just won't make it through". Again showing no proof on how many would or wouldn't make it though these tunnels. Just assuming. If you really want to stop the illegal crossing then hire more patrol border. I will get to that part more in detail later on in this round. The cost You said this "If we're able to stop hundreds of thousands of illegals from sneaking into the country". Again you are assuming this part. Not ACTUAL FACTS. Like i mentioned before, there are other ways on crossing the border. Either though under, over, though, or around the wall. You mentioned "As far as hiring more border patrol, we just don't have the resources for that." That sound like a cop out to me. Not enough resources. Okay already agreeing with the 21 and a half billion for the wall. A border patrol salary is "49,000 a year"(28) http://work.chron.com.... So, with the $49,000 we could hired at least another 10,000 new border patrol agents. And that would only cost four hundred ninety million dollars. That sound pretty reasonable to me. Trump Say in quote "says his wall will cover 1,000 miles and natural obstacles will take care of the". So, if we actually do a 1,000 miles on the ground, and doing your math it would be cut in half. Plus since we hire more border patrol there been a decline on border crossing. "The number of migrants apprehended while attempting to cross into the U.S. from Mexico has been dropping steadily over the past decade and a half." (29) http://thehill.com.... There is proof that border patrol is working. Plus hiring more will help the local economy much more than the wall. The wall can't paid for anyone salary after it is build. So, i believe hiring more border patrol is totally more reasonable than building a wall. Which won't help do anything. Another thing we didn't discuss, is the time line of the wall. "Once construction"which the DHS has stated will take two years"actually starts" they will be "delays and mistakes added up."(30)https://www.curbed.com... The timeline of this wall is important too. Because it will add to the costs no matter how you look at it. Another important factor is this. The repairs of this wall. Going to have to repair it every year to every 5 or 7 years. And don't forget people will try to damage it. "To give you an idea, homeowners spend an average of $664 per repair. Most projects will fall between $329 and $1,010". (31) https://www.homeadvisor.com... So, how much do you think a hugh wall would cost for a crack or any type of repair? I'm guessing it would be a lot, wouldn't be cheap. Taxes "Billionaires not paying their "fair share" is irrelevant" yes it is another debate topic. But it doesn't mean it not Irrelevant to this topic at hand. You want to blame illegal not paying there share on taxes. Well i pointed out billionaires don't either. And you just want to ignore that part. Then i should ignore this part of your argument too. But in reality the top 1% hurt the economy middle class and poor. Probably even more than the illegal immigrants. "The richest 1% pay an effective federal income tax rate of 24.7% in 2014; someone making an average of $75,000 is paying a 19.7% rate" (32) https://americansfortaxfairness.org... so, you picking on just the illegal immigrants doesn't sound fair at all. I will soon tell you why illegal immigrants will help the economy in the long term. Now you said "illegals clearly do not contribute their fair share to the economy and taxes." That could be true in the old generation of immigrants. But in "Today"s immigrants have more education than earlier immigrants and, as a result, are more positive contributors to government finances." (33)Furthermore, we have more evidence on why illegal immigrants will bring a positive outlook on the economy. "first generation adults and their dependents, averaged across 2011-2013, is a cost of $57.4 billion, while second and third-plus generation adults create a benefit of $30.5 billion and $223.8 billion, respectively."(33&34) https://www.nap.edu... As for my friend you said "Sounds like he would have been better off if he got a green card and visa to begin with" yes that would be true. But in reality he would've had got them if he wasn't married to a U.S. citizen. Do you know why i even brought him up? It was to strengthen my argument. And here why it does this. I told his story because it was fascinating and it has a real impact on this debate. I told you his parents wasn't born here, they were born in Mexico. He was unfortunately born in Mexico too. But his siblings, were born here. His older sister has two children and a husband. She has a bachelors degree in marketing, and work at jewelry store. His other sister just graduated High School and now in a trade school. (I don't remember in what). His younger brother while he working in retail. And as i mention my friend is working at a car place and going to school. He actually studying in political science. Plus he was actually in those tunnels i was talking about, and said there could be thousands getting in on a daily. This is one of many reasons why the wall would not work. Now his parents are trying and doing there best. Sure they might had cost the taxpayers in the beginning. But now there kids are now helping the economy, by going to school and working. Which means there are paying taxes. And there are millions of story like this. My evidence support these finding. "Many forget U.S. is a nation built by immigrants"(35) http://www.thedailystar.com... You went on to say this"40billion would be 2% of the debt." This wall will not add much to the national debt. You right. But the wall doesn't help either. The wall is a waste of money. Like i said in my round 3 there are many ways we could use this 21 or 25 billions on more useful things. You didn't even attempt rebuttal this. Because you know you couldn't. That why you ignore it. My summarize. The cost doesn't add up for the wall in the short term nor long term. The wall been proven it doesn't work in many countries. They build a wall for war, not for immigrants. The EU actually has relocation program that work not there fence. Hiring more border patrol would be a much better idea, than building a wall which would fall. More border patrol money will go directly into the economy. Immigrants actually help the economy long term. There are other ways to cross the border, the wall does nothing to stop it. People will find another way to cross. There are other things we could be spending this money on. Pretty simple in my book. The wall doesn't pay for itself. It's a money pit.