Donald Trump's proposed border wall is more beneficial than not.

Thank you again for your reply. Getting pretty interesting here. And maybe a little heated. What a debate for without a little passion? Anyways my actual first round has a lot of facts in it. So, yeah my was probably like 50% from quotes. But i believe i won't need to much more as we proceed. Oh yeah, i only brought up trump again because i did so in my opening round. Way before we agree on not too mentioned him. Anyways i will go on with this debate. Because it is more than what he said or they said. The wall part in other countries "The city of Jerusalem has been surrounded by walls for its defense since ancient times".(17) https://en.m.wikipedia.org... The reason for Jerusalem, is much different to have these walls than just for illegal immigrants. Actually they have these walls for war purposes and for holy reasons. They didn't built these walls, for illegal. They build them because they were under attack. In fact they still are by the terrorist group called Hezbollah. Another factor is this. There not many people who wants to live there. And Jerusalem, don't let just anyone live there. It hard to get a citizenship there. Europe is a little bit interesting. Like Spain you mention. But all the credit can't be on there barbed wire fences. It "called refugee relocation programme. According to the plan devised by the EU last autumn to redistribute a quota of refugees throughout its 28 Member States"(18) https://openmigration.org... this is the main reason why the numbers are down for Spain immigrants. The Great Wall of China have a wall too. But they build it for self defense. Like in a war. What Trump, wants this wall is totally different. It not for war, it not for drugs, it not for illegal getting in. Because the facts are they are less and less immigrants crossing the border this way. It just doesn't add up in my opinion. Another thing you said, other countries had the same worry of building a wall. Is false. Most of them build the wall for self defense like in a war. Most of the other countries didn't have tunnels running from one side to the other end. Like we have in Mexico and the US. Mexico have hundreds of tunnels. So, this Is just one example why the wall isn't a good idea. The wall will not go deep enough to stop anyone from crossing. Plus the other ways i mention in my previous round. "Considering the US is in $20trillion of debt, adding $21billion to it for long-term gain/saving would make sense." Yes it will add to this deficit. But they is no proof that this wall will save in the long run. That just presuming things will add up on your end. When it not actual factual. Amount of Illegals that hop the Border "Most South American immigrants obtained lawful permanent residence in the United States (also known as receiving a green card) through family ties."(19)https://www.migrationpolicy.org... Plus it's a very small size in actual illegal crossing form the border. I give you the wrong stat from that source i give. So, sorry for that. Now here is the actual stat "In 2016 there were 415,816 Apprehensions And in 2017 there were 310,531 Apprehension."(20) https://www.cbp.gov... this mean those numbers are declining. And you agree on the declining part. So, there for it not Irrelevant. Why build a wall that does absolutely nothing in return. If anything we need to hired more border patrol. That could help the local economy much better than a wall. Border patrol actually have proof on having a better impact on illegal immigrants than a wall. You said the wall will benefit the whole US, in the long run. Sorry i do not agree nor see that out come as realistic. "Three-fifths of those who don"t owe income tax work and thus pay Social Security and Medicare payroll taxes. And almost everyone pays state and local sales taxes, excise taxes, or some other levy." (22) https://www.forbes.com...; So, yes that includes illegal immigrants. They pay sales taxes, and local taxes just like the rest of us. Another important factor here is this not every one pay income taxes. Look at the big corporations, and people who make a lot of money. They try to pay the least amount possible or none at all. That's a problem too. So you say illegal don't pay there share. While then you have to look at US citizens too. Mostly at the very top. They don't pay their fair share. By the way, the 116 billions you mention in your earlier round. Counts for every illegal immigrants. And that way less than Mexico illegal immigrants who only count toward 1/4 of the illegal population. So, again the wall Doesn't add up to any values. Just waste of money. Kind of like fixing a old boat. You never really found the real cause. Just keep adding money toward it, until everything is fix. That's why it called a money pit. Another thing that is a fact illegal immigrants do the work that most Americans don't want. Like farming, construction, agriculture, and get paid less for these type of jobs. So with out some illegal immigrants our economy would suffer. You can't say American would love to work these jobs. Because it wouldn't be true. You think most Americans would love the less pay? With no benefit? I don't think so.... I also have a friend who actually a illegal immigrants. He gave me permission to tell his side of his story. I won't give out his real name, on this public display. But his story is pretty interesting. I won't have enough space to tell his whole story. His mother and father was born in Mexico and so was he. But his two younger sisters and younger brother was born here in the States. Same with his nieces and nephews. He went to High School and Graduate. Then he was deported to Mexico. Then he came back, from the same tunnels i mention earlier. He got married to a US citizens. He was working up in the farm area picking onions, and tomatoes. He then went up to Alaska, and worked at the sea duck, where he worked, one of his many jobs like skinning salmon. He then came back to California then got deported again. He has his working vasa and green card. But he didn't actually get them until he was married. He work at a car place right now and going to a community college. By the way he came back again form a different tunnel. His personal opinion also translate, toward this debate. He don't believe the wall is the answer. They are so many tunnels, the wall won't even scratch the surface. Plus he not getting anything form the government, no SSI, no medical card, no food stamps. He still pays sale taxes And local taxes, just like the rest of us. And it not just his story there are many like him. We can buy other more important things. Instead of a wall. 1. Hire more "teachers like 50,000 more." 2."50,000 miles of road repair" 3."Feed more than 3.4 million people three meals a day for a year". 4."Build new streetcar systems in 50 cities" 5. "Power more than 700,000 homes with solar energy" 6. "Build 294,000 homes and end homelessness for families in America" (23) https://m.dailykos.com... I though i had more to say in this round. Oh well. I guess i will use my character count in my final round. LoL The floor is your again....