Any female wearing immodest clothing wants to have her rape fantasy fulfilled.

I really believe we should aim to finish this debate by the end of the year. I think it's doable, Judging by the minuscule amount of time we've taken to do four whole rounds. Being rather an amateur debater, I feel as though the drought that is the flow of substantial matter from my corner really needs to be fixed; I'll try and keep the rebuttal brief and finally list some points of my own. I mean the debate'll end in the next round anyway, But I feel as though our voting audience haven't gotten the generic 'choice' and 'subservience to the patriarchy' crap that they probably want from Con, And at the same time I'd like to hear what you have to say about that. The points don't explore 'rape fantasies': indeed, A feminist Con would have no points regarding rape fantasies and go off-topic, But it's still a part of the debate which I think is needed. The point of shaming, I believe, Has (thankfully) stayed in context to what it started off as, Which is good. What might need resolving, However, Is the fact that it's taken up some substantial space across about three rounds. I think we have settled 'shaming' into two definitions: the first being the intentional spread of misinformation or fact in a way that portrays the subject negatively to others, *disregarding the feelings of the victim*, And the second being the use of information to shame the victim. And I can see where you're coming from in your point: of course certain individuals who have absolutely no shame regardless of what other people think will never be affected by words online- this is true. My definition is also correct: from the point of view of those who are misinformed, Regardless of the idgaf nature of the victim, They will always view the victim negatively. I think each debater mentioning their own definition over and over again has taken up too much time; I also do not believe this 'definition' thing will not be resolved, So I would suggest that we bypass this argument. My point regarding the lack of clarity surrounding the demographic of those wearing 'slutty' clothing and of those harboring rape fantasies is unreliable, You are correct. I agree with the logic: 'you never know if they're correct' point into 'yeah, But you don't know if they aren't, Either; it's highly probable that some of them overlap'. You managed to reverse another one of my points pretty well: my logic that 'surveys aren't all that reliable; who says that they're more accurate than what you think? ' with your last sentence: '. . . Because how I perceive myself can be vastly different from how they perceive me'. And I think that raises an important point: it doesn't matter what you *think* you look like or, Really, Why you wore clothing like that in the first place, It's how the rapist sees the clothing: promiscuous, Or not? Really, The rapist started it all: it isn't your state of mind if you aren't going to get raped anyway. Really brings that point regarding reliability into question: that's a point to you. However, You also happened to point out that the movement in which women choose to do the opposite of what people would logically do in such a 'slut-shaming' situation- that is, Wearing more 'slutty' clothes- is pretty strange and there are other methods to 'resist'. It's true that there are other options out there, But that isn't really a rebuttal, Isn't it? Pointing out that they could have done something better when what's done is done doesn't fix anything. The movement's already happened/is still kind of happening, But dying out- it's basically the past, And pointing out that there are other solutions when the fad (wrong choice of words? ) is dying and (in my opinion) devolving into fat acceptance and other honestly ridiculous movements is a little late and it isn't criticism that is relevant to the subject. Now to a few of the points normally raised by Con in a debate with this topic. Men should be able to control their own urges, Rape fantasy be damned. Rape fantasy or not, It is empowering to flaunt what you have. Sexual assault is never the victim's fault. And before I finish off, Let me express my indescribable gratitude that you did not list biblical scriptures to support your arguments, With complimentary phrases like 'flaunting the flesh', 'revelation of the thigh and bosom' and 'the wicked sin of lust': that would really make the debate tedious and maybe even worse than a Con using my above-mentioned feminist phrases like 'oppression', 'bias' and 'misogyny'. Looking forward to a hopefully decisive finale as well as a great conclusion to the debate.