God Does Exist

my argument is that we have no need for a God. I will show multiple ways a universe could come to be, then ask pro some questions for the next round. In order for there to be a god, we *have* to have a need for one. Why do we need god? Well a very common answer would be to say that god is the only thing that could have created our world, with it's complexity, and us humans, with our intelligent minds. This will be so brutal. First, we show some causes for the Universe, or multiverse: A) Simultaneous causation This is the idea that cause and effect can happen simultaneously. The cause of the Universe could have happened at the same time of it's effect. Let's say we have atoms A, B, and C. If atom A causes atom B, then atom B would cause atom C, and atom C would cause atom A. Why should we accept God over simultaneous causation? B)Non-Sentient force. Why can't the cause be an immaterial, causeless, eternal, powerful, spaceless, timeless, uncaused, non-sentient force that randomly creates things? Since this force was eternally creating things, one day the inevitable happened, energy, space, and time was created in a powerful reaction destroying everything including this force to create the two. The rest is history. Why should we think God caused the Universe instead of this force? From Magic 8000. Wherever he got it from beats me. C)Ekpyrotic Universe This model says "...our current universe arose from a collision of two three-dimensional worlds (branes) in a space with an extra (fourth) spatial dimension." [http://wwwphy.princeton.edu......] Why accept God over the Ekpyrotic model? Then, I talk about the multiverse. The multiverse is the idea that we had so many different universes, with so many different combinations, that it made the perfect conditions for us to live in. Why accept god over the multiverse? Then instead of asking where our universe came from, ask where GOD came from. Intelligent design arguments say often that we need a god to create humans, and our complexity. Notice that this would evade evolution. (JanetSanders is arguing for the Biblical God) The ways god could come to be: 1. god was eternal. God always existed. This would mean that an intelligent mind can exist without god. If we know that god is intelligent, and intelligent minds need a creator, then either god doesn't exist or this rule is faulty. (Both) God could be used as proof that intelligent minds do not need a creator. 2. God has a creator. That would mean that there is something more powerful than our god out there. That god would need a creator, so would that gods creator, and so on... Therefor, humans do not need a god in order for an intelligent mind to exist. We could also look at the "useless" body parts in us. Here is an example of twenty useless body parts in us. What JanetSanders needs to do is answer why god would put these parts into us if there was no need for them. Here's the source: http://www.bloggingwv.com... See, what this shows is that the parts could have had a use in the past. Yet in the present, there is no use. This supports evolution greatly. Why does god make us humans live with the useless body parts? The earth is intelligently designed: Is it? Let's take a then look, shall we? Okay: 1. The earth is 75% water. 1.25 % of this is drinkable by humans. Salt water actually makes you thirsty, rather than quench the thirst you have. In addition, 10% of the earth is dessert land. Humans cannot grow crops in desserts, and they have very harsh living conditions. Salt water/desserts cannot support human life. Not unless a river was in the dessert, or we had some sort of large boat etc. But on it's own, we could not live in these places. We also know of course about the shifting tectonic plates. The shifting plates cause earthquakes. Around several million earth quakes occur each year. http://earthquake.usgs.gov... We know that there are high places in the earth, and that humans cannot be dropped more than 20 feet. We know about volcanoes. We know about poisonous plants. In about 1 billion years from now, the Earth's oceans will disappear, due to the Sun brightening. However, well before this, the level of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere will be too low to support plant life, destroying the foundation of the food chains.[5] See Future of the Earth. In about 5-6 billion years from now, the Sun will start to become a red giant. The oceans and the much of the atmosphere will boil away and the Earth's temperature will rise well above the boiling point of water. About 7-8 billion years from now, the Earth will probably be engulfed by an expanding Sun and destroyed.[6][7] http://en.wikipedia.org... Why did god make an earth with such harsh living conditions? Why are humans barely suitable to live on this earth? Why did god make the earth set to be destroyed in the future? So god created the earth available to support life on some of it's surface for some of it's time. Why did god make the earth have those harsh living conditions? Therefor, the earth is in fact not very intelligently designed for our life. God could have put many other variables into putting our earth together, and took out a lot of things. Even if we said we would not be alive if the earth were a bit different, why should we assume life cam only be in carbon based form? CONCLUSION: THERE IS *NO* NEED FOR A GOD. WE THEREFOR HAVE NO REASON TO ASSUME IT WAS GOD. OTHER ARGUMENTS: (I'll try to make this one quick) 1. God is supposedly omnipotent, pure, and omniscient. 2. If god was pure, he would want to destroy all evil. 3. If god was omniscient, he could find evil. 4. If god was omnipotent, god could destroy all evil. 5. Evil exists 6. Therefor, god does not exist. For evil, we can substitute pain and suffering. We have no observable evidence of god being real. As pro is making a claim, he must show that 100% there is a god. Facts: No one has any observable evidence of god. Quote of Hitchens: "That which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence as well. Another Hitchens quote: "You want your god to take personal responsibility for the huge number of collapsing stars and imploding galaxies and destroyed universes and failed solar systems that have left us in this tiny corner, on the one planet on this petty solar system that can support life on some of its surface for some of the time. You want a creator who filled this earth with species, 99% of which are now extinct already" Saying that god is real is as ludicrous as saying, theres a dead body thats evidence of a murder, despite the evidence pointing to natural causes. And the one person saying, "really? prove to me there is no murderer. Thank You. Ha ha, this is long/lastminute/poorly written. Have fun mate!