Communism

Rebuttals "After the period from 194-1923 Russia was in a constant state of warfare. I will show a bracket of casualty's in WW1 and the Russian civil war and the total death and wounded total. Proving that Communism brought the country out of a warring dark age. One which wrecked the country and Russia lost upwards of 13 million people and 10s of millions more wounded." That was WWI. Even if there was no communist party, the same thing would have occurred because WWI ended. "Communism effectively industrialized the country and made diseases like typhoid fever fall to almost 0%." Where, may I ask, have you found that fact? That argument is invalid unless you provide a source. "China was invaded by Japan and repelled it while having a massive civil war overlapping the war. Communism was put in place because the people were unhappy, it is still in place today and the current corruption has come from Capitalism." It was mainly the Nationalist Party that fought Japan. The people were unhappy with the Communist Party to, because after they took over, they took away people's property, lowered people's pay, had government strictly control the people and took away basic rights like freedom of speech. Because of this freedom of speech issue, nobody could protest. When people tried to protest in 1989, the Chinese communist party massacred them. "China had excellently low crimes and even with the reforms still has good crime rates. Something which many capitalist countries can't say that." China, low crime rates? 82% of software is pirated in China, one of the highest in the world. Corruption is common among government employees. Between 1978 and 2003, an estimated $50 billion was smuggled out of the country by corrupt officials. A legal verdict can be changed from guilt to innocence, death sentence can turn into not-guilty verdict and length of prison terms can be reduced by bribing officials. The armed forces employs naval vessels and airplanes for various smuggling activities. The police stations often open covert gambling houses, or they can provide protection for them. In 2009, 106,000 public officials in China were convicted of corruption. Prostitution is also very common. "Education was not bad, yes if you lived in the country was poor. It is also horrible in rural places all over the world, something which should not be criticized since that is no fault of communism in specific." Education in communist countries is strictly controlled by the government, and the government does not want students to know about capitalism or foreign countries, thus promoting ignorance. "Education in big cities away from the collectivized farms were perfectly fine and taught basic mathematics, history, and some science. Language and writing were taught as well." Yes, but what they did not teach is anything related to capitalist countries. The Soviet government said American literature was evil and banned it from schools. "Actually my opponent simply states that it is wrong to not have this. You don't explain why, stating this does not mean you have proved your point." Actually, I have proved my point. Think, would you want to have your life controlled by the government, or be free to express yourself? "In the book, The Leviathan: By Thomas Hobbes. A book widely recognized by many modern countries and philosophers. Explained how a very powerful central government is the solution to all problems. In turn arguing for Autocracy being Communism,Monarchies,Oligarchies,and Imperialism." In the essay, Common Sense: By Thomas Paine, an essay widely recognized by many modern countries and philosophers explained how democracy and the people's right to liberty is important. You provide no details of why The Leviathan is correct. "Of course crime rates in communist countries are very low, the police forces are much larger." Actually not. Let's look at the crime rates in China. 82% of software is pirated in China, one of the highest in the world. Corruption is common among government employees. Between 1978 and 2003, an estimated $50 billion was smuggled out of the country by corrupt officials. A legal verdict can be changed from guilt to innocence, death sentence can turn into not-guilty verdict and length of prison terms can be reduced by bribing officials. The armed forces employs naval vessels and airplanes for various smuggling activities. The police stations often open covert gambling houses, or they can provide protection for them. In 2009, 106,000 public officials in China were convicted of corruption. Prostitution is also very common. The thing with China is that even if they do have large police forces, the police don't care a thing about their job as long as they get their pay. "Communist countries like China produces products for the western world as a whole. I really don't see how their products are bad since so many people use them." Nowadays, China has become more and more capitalist, allowing private businesses, producing products for the rest of the world. I guess they finally got a bit of sense. Look what happened in Soviet Russia when Stalin took control! "In true communism the communist party shifts around the leaders. Therefore if the party, a large amount of the population. Approves if it is a good leader." No, the people do not get to choose their leaders. In communist China, the people do not get to choose their leaders. During presidential elections, their is only one leader to choose from. Conclusion My opponent's points have been refuted. My opponent has also dropped my argument about private property and government controlling education. 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