Artificial Human #17 would have likely defeated Piccolo if Cell hadn't arrived...

Note: SLBT = Super Large Body Tech Technique Absurdity ----------------------------- 1.) Logical Master stated in the last round that Piccolo could use the SLBT against #17, and "as long as he didn't become too big and kept his guard up, 17 would be unable to take advantage of his size as Goku did during their battle." My opponent stated that Piccolo could mitigate the disadvantage of the Super Large Body Technique in the manga by not becoming "too big". I stated, "no such cases of this technique (SLBT) being used in such a manner, which would lead to reasonable doubt that he can at all". I NEVER said Piccolo couldn't use the SLBT in DBZ. What I SAID was, that there were no such instances of Piccolo using the Super Large Body Technique in the manner in which my OPPONENT DESCRIBED. There is NOT A SHRED of evidence of proof in the ENTIRE series that the technique can be used in such a way. My opponent misrepresents me here. 2.) It's not as though the SLBT is just forgotten, but rather the specific weaknesses that have previously been exploited have provided justification for the moves lack of use after Dragonball. Piccolo had a MOTIVE for reverting back to normal size. Certain techniques may be phased out of a warriors arsenal. This isn't plot stupidity, it's character intelligence. In the last round my opponent proposed that Piccolo had access to specific techniques that would help secure his chance of victory, however, the techniques he listed are never confirmed in the manga AT ANY point. The following techniques have never been demonstrated in use by Piccolo Junior... 1.Multi-form 2.Demon Creation 3. Instant Transmission My opponent would argue that since King Piccolo possessed the ability of Demon generation, so would his incarnate. This assumption is flawed. Remember that Uub is the incarnation of Majin Buu, but is never shown to necessarily possess the same abilities as Majin Buu himself. Kami is never shown to possess "Instant Transmission". Kami is shown to have the ability to travel from Earth to Snake Way as he did (and vice versa), but not Instant Transmission, which works by locking on to Ki signatures and then appearing nearby. If Kami possessed Instant Transmission (as my opponent claims), why would it have been necessary for Goku to use the Nimbus Cloud to ride to the battlefield? My readers and I both know better. The case for bluffs continued ---------------------------------------- The fact that #17 may have been startled at Piccolo's well-timed quip, is in no means proof that it was an accurate remark. Piccolo and #17 were stated to be even by #18 and #17. #16 also calculated Piccolo's and #17's power to be even. So Piccolo's insults can be safely discarded without worry. My opponents argument goes, "why would there be any moment of doubt in Piccolo bluffing as we saw on the panels? #17 is temporarily stunned by Piccolo's comment (bottom panel)(5). There'd be no reason do that unless there were some basis for Piccolo's assertions." Operating under such an assumption is a mistake. Vegeta boasted to Frieza that he was a Super Saiyan. Frieza was shown to be stunned by this claim, does this somehow mean there was a "basis" for Vegeta's assertions? No, it doesn't. Vegeta was slaughtered. Equal Power ------------------ We know that #17's strike are effective despite my opponents objections, based on the following 1. Observable effects of the strike (the imprint of his fist, Piccolo's facial expressions, the sound of pain, and the vibrational lines). My opponent would argue that Piccolo's body composition would make (1) irrelevant, but remember that the result of #17's punch bears a striking resemblance to the time it was used during Vegeta's fight with #18. #17 was stronger then, so the effect is greater then, but it's still notable with this fight (with the other clues) 2. This sort of punch resulted in a K.O the first time it was used against Piccolo, and the effect of the punch for the second time wasn't too far behind in terms of size. There is no arguing this, period. A skill beyond design ------------------------------ After Piccolo merged with Kami, Piccolo's fighting style undoubtedly changed from what was detailed #17's data banks. #17 had to think for purely for himself, and he managed an effective defense regardless. #17 was not familiar with the new Piccolo's fighting style, but yet, had had higher battle statistics (see below). We can infer that #17 possessed also possessed a skill advantage for this very reason. As far as my opponents statement that Piccolo "didn't use enough power in his numerous ki blasts" Piccolo's new technique, the "Hellzone Grenade" is a whole slew of numerous, smaller, ki shots that surround and home in on a target; this takes precision and control. Remember the fight with Frieza? At one point Goku creates two energy balls underwater in an effort to ambush Frieza. This required great concentration to create the ki balls, and keep them still while he was separated from them...just imagine a new technique that involved say 27+ energy balls fired in rapid succession. Too much power would lead to a more unwieldy technique. Remember that Vegeta decreased the power of his Final Flash in order to control its trajectory better, and prevent it from hitting the earth. If #17's opponent were to charge the blasts more, that also increases the chance of a counter or an intercept, in addition to the technique becoming harder to control. It is also demonstrated in the manga Piccolo concentrates and puts full effort to take out #17 as best he can, (as #17 has agreed to fight alone). Remember that Vegeta went all out against Recoome. Piccolo did what was necessary for the Earth. The Author's favorite? ----------------------------- My opponent states, "#17 was, granted that Cell had the "big bad villain status" at this point in time and #17 was merely fodder for him as we saw in the actual series), hence suggesting that there is no way Piccolo would lose (especially with being the author's favorite character and all) to #17 in battle." 1.) We've seen Piccolo lose battles before, some of whom were NOT "big bads". Piccolo was nearly killed by Raditz (inferior to Vegeta and Nappa). Piccolo was killed by Nappa (inferior to Vegeta). Piccolo is also subdued by #17 upon their first meaning (the Artificial Human my opponent claimed was fodder) 2.) If my opponent wants to continue his argument that Piccolo was Toriyama's favorite character, and therefore Piccolo wouldn't have lost to #17, I can just as easily argue that the fight was interrupted due to prevent the most rational conclusion being reached: #17 winning. 3.) Let's also remember Dodoria and Zarbon weren't "big bad's" either, but Zarbon bested Vegeta on their first bout, along with Recoome defeating Vegeta. Logical Master gave three examples of how, "there have been many battles won that didn't revolve around who had superior strength/stamina.", he also stressed the importance of catching the opponent off-guard. The examples he gave were Majin Vegita vs. Goku, SSJ2 vs. Cell, and Chibi Trunks kicking Majin Boo while he was distracted, but this does nothing to further his argument, as they are instances that don't tie in with the fight in debate. 1.) Vegeta feigned a truce with Goku, it was only after the battle of stopped (presumably), that Vegeta actually did this. 2.) Gohan won through intervention, not through his own means, such is the case of Vegeta's inevitable death by Trunks stepping in for Vegeta (by the way, Majin Buu wasn't hurt at all by Trunks' kick). How does he affirm that Piccolo has such an advantage of catching #17 off guard? The statistics favor #17 in many regards. My opponents assertions do not prove the contrary. The link to my statistics and closing arguments... http://blogs.myspace.com...