One's "Physical Experience" Can be Proven to be Absolutely True

Look at the definitions of the words that you are using: Imagination : The faculty or action of forming new ideas, or images or concepts of external objects not present to the senses. [1] Note the portion "...not present to the senses." We are referring to the senses, in this debate. Imagination is totally irrelevant. Belief : An acceptance that something exists or is true, especially one without proof. [1] You are erroneously using the word "Belief". If I understand you correctly, your definition is also irrelevant to this debate. Information : Facts provided or learned about something or someone. [1] Fact : A thing that is known or proved to be true. [1] How is it that you can say that "information is false"?? You are wrong, here. ------------------------ :: vi_spex said, " you havnt explained anything, data is not information, not mental" data : Facts and statistics collected together for reference or analysis. [1] This word, "data", is irrelevant to this debate. The main point of this debate is to bring to light that the "information" gather by your sensory cells must be physically transmitted to your brain. This transmission is subject to error (misperceptions). -------------------------- :: vi_spex said, "in any case.. possibilities are imaginary, not real" real : Actually existing as a thing or occurring in fact; not imagined or supposed. [1] If there are possibilities, how do you determine which one is "real" and that the others are "imaginary"? The information gathered by your senses determines what is "real". If you see a blue shirt in a store window as you drive by, here are two possibilities as to why it "appears" blue: 1.) The shirt is actually blue 2.) There is a blue light shining on a white shirt. So, given these two possibilities, how can you possibly "know" which one is real? Both of them would fully coincide with the information gained from your eyes, so it is impossible to tell which is true and which is false. Do you just pick one to call real and deem the others imaginary? ------------------------ :: vi_spex said, "i dont believe in evidence, i know my experience of now" Evidence : The available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid. -or- : Signs or indications of something. [1] Evidence is *why* you know. Your senses *are* a means of gathering evidence! Evidence does not exclusively mean physical evidence. The information gleaned from your senses is evidence. --------------------------- The initial line of my argument in Round #1 is: "one cannot prove that their physical experience is absolutely true in respect to objective reality." P1 : Physical experience is sensory information received by the brain. P2 : Objective reality is what determines what is true. C1 : Physical experience is only true if it matches objective reality. P3 : One's sensory information, or physical experience, of objective reality is not infallible. C2 : By C1 & P3, one's physical experience can be false, and therefore, not absolutely true. Explanations: P1 : This is clearly defined in Round #1, which you have agreed to by accepting this debate. P2 : The initial statement of this debate states, "...true in respect to objective reality". This means that the "correctness" of our perception is respective of the actual truth in the reality beyond the errors and limitations of our perception. By definition, object reality exists outside of the mind. C1 : Based on premises P1 and P2, this means that something that is perceived is only true if it coincides with objective reality. If something is perceived differently than it is in objective reality, then it is not true. P3 : It is possible for one to perceive reality incorrectly. One can be mistaken with one or more senses and thus, have an erroneous perception of objective reality. C2 : The logical conclusion is that one cannot proof that one's personal experience is absolutely (100%) true regarding objective reality. The indisputable possibility that error can occur in our perception prevents the proposed statement from being true. [1] The Oxford Dictionary