atheism is disbelief, disbelief is belief, theism

:: "how do you know you are not being tricked and its not a live feed you are waching?" I don't. As stated earlier, belief is not related to truth. I may believe that you are wearing a hat, but I will not claim to know it for a fact. (The video could be someone else, for instance, but I couldn't know that). -------------------------------- :: "atheism is the negative position on and imaginary claim, to say you are a lier! :: is being an atheist, unless ts true the guy is lying, then i know, and its not about religion" No - lack of belief is not the same as believing that something is not true. For example, let us assume that we are flipping a coin (which is a dichotomy). There is no reason to believe that the coin will have more chance of resulting in heads because it is a flat 50%/50% chance. If I ask everyone to raise their hand if they believed that the coin would land on heads, and then asked everyone to raise their hand if the believed the coin would land on tails, then everyone who did *not* raise their hand for either is not positive OR negative. Again, whether it is actually true or not does not matter. This is an issue of belief, not truth. -------------------------------- :: "science is a religion because it relys on confirmation from machines" What? That's not right. Look up those words in a dictionary. Science is not a religion. And it doesn't always rely on machines. Science is more of a process. --------------------------------- :: "i know you cant read these words on the screen with your eyes clsoed with absolute certainty" You strongly believe that you know, but what if I'm actually a bot with transparent eyelids, hmmm? --------------------------------- :: "belief is the opposite of know, know is something, belief is nothing" Definition: Belief - "an acceptance that a statement is true or that something exists." [1] With *your* use of the word, perhaps. I *strongly* encourage you to write definitions for your words. I would be happy to see it. ------------------------------------ :: "again.. atheism dosnt reject anything, its an opposing stance on an claim, its no rejection" It is an opposition to the assertion that the existence of God is true. I reject that claim due to lack of evidence; that does not mean that I then hold a belief that God does not exist. I don't have enough evidence to believe that, either. ---------------------------------- :: "or modern atheism is the rejection that its theism, there you go" I don't understand this. If you are referring to those who champion that God does not exist, then those people should be labeled as anti-theists. Technically, they are also Atheist because if you believe that something is false, you therefore lack belief that it is true. So, every anti-theist is an atheist, but not every atheist is an anti-theist. Anti-theist should be identified by their positive assertion ("God doesn't exists"), rather than their passive position ("I lack belief that God exists"). ------------------------------------------ :: "belief in science, is being a theist, there are no atheists.." No. Simply believing in something not theism. While it is true that belief is required to accept ANYTHING as true, science is much different than religion. Science requires massive evidence for, and minimal or no evidence against and idea. Religion operates on "Faith", which is a belief regardless of evidence beyond one's own feelings. Science does not accept intuition or feelings as evidence, as they cannot be observed by anyone but that person. [1] Oxford Dictionary - http://www.debate.org... Thank you, vi_spex, for this debate! To all who have read through this: I apologize for the messy format, as I had to respond to almost every line individually. I put forth effort to keep this readable.