Moderator Replacement

Alright I guess I am going to jump straight into thisThe first thing I want to note is that Krazy has the BOP on this, because he is trying to change the status quo. Yes this is the status quo, and yes this is his Bop. We are discussing whether or not Ore_Ele, should remain a moderator on the site. You can find his profile here >>>>> http://www.debate.org...As Krazy said this all stems from a recent forum post which shall be addressed as this debate continues. I will jump straight into some contentions and offer up a few things Ore has done to help the siteExcellent Debater/ Frequent Forum User/ Long Term UserWhile this is not mutually exclusive with a moderator, Ore is a long standing member of this site and a excellent debater. He has been on the site for nearly 5 years, and has racked up 174 debates and 20k posts. He is very familiar with the site and users. This is a great benefit as far as moderation goes. This goes without saying but this is a debate site. Achieving over 5k elo and having over 170 debates, helps him understand what this site needs in terms of debating. Also being a frequent debater, his input is quiet valuable. Also as I stated earlier, he has achieved over 20k forum posts and is very active in the forums. This is also a trait a moderator needs. They need the ability to dedicate a lot of time to the site and keep up with forum activity and act accordingly. Ore has invested countless hours of his own time into this site, which is another reason he makes a great moderator. Someone who just logs on every once in a while would not be able to moderate properly (a) He has been around long enough, to know how he site works and what it needs(b) He has been around long enough to know when to discuss banning people with airmax (If you were to bring in a new person, they may try and get ban happy). Both Max and Ore , are extremely fair with their judgments in whom they ban. They usually give people multiple attempts to improve their behavior before they implement a ban. The amount of time and energy Ore has put into this site makes him a qualified moderator. Elo SystemThis was Ores project as well. While I do not have all the details to this, I know most members acknowledge that Ore was a vital part in implementing this system on the site. It was largely thanks to his efforts and formula that we have the elo system at allGreat Down to Earth GuyI think this a key factor in being a moderator. One in which both Max an Ore share in common. You can go to them with problems you are having, and they will try their best to fix it in a fair way while remaining easy to talk too. You don't want a moderator who is out of reach, but an active people person. This is most certainly ore. With his forum activity, you can tell how much of an active user he is. He has lots of friends on this is site, and is very well respected. He possess all the qualities that a moderator shouldHe genuinely cares for the siteHe is also trying to find ways to improve site quality. Just recently he has taken it upon himself to try and find a way to update the voting system because everyone has been asking for it. This is a message I received from him a day or two ago, where he chained some members who were very interested in trying to change the current system. Throughout the messages, he listened and worked with other members to come up with a viable idea. This is also a key trait for a moderator. The ability to be able to work with other members. " Posted by:Profile CardOre_Ele Hey everyone, I wanted to get together and go over a potential change to the voting style. I'm hoping we can work together the get any kinks out and get a unified proposition or maybe two or three different ones. From there, we can work on trying to convince the community to build support so that we can convince TUF and Juggle that this is what the community wants.It is going to take more than just some threads on the topic as that is a hard gauge to over-all popularity vs a vocal minority."At the end of this message it lead to posting threads and polls to try and get community support for a change in the voting systemhttp://www.debate.org...This was started by Ore as well. He took the initiative to message all of us and get everyone together to try and find a valid idea for a voting system.When we came up with one that we agreed upon, we posted it in the forums to get community feedback. All this started because he cared enough to do it. RebuttalsOre_Ele is immature and people are not aware he is a modKrazy claims that Ore_ele is not mature, and that most people are not even aware he is a moderator. This is a non sequitur to the actual contention that is presented. Just because Ore tends to "troll", in his own way on a rare occasion, it is not breaching site conduct in any way at all. Also just because people are not aware he is a moderator, this is in no way reflective of his actions as a person. For this contention to even be viable krazy would have to show that because Ore "trolls", people do not acknowledge him as a moderator. Other wise we can dismiss this because it is irrelevant and backed with no evidence to support it. Ore_Ele is fakeThis is such a lose contention that it almost does not even need to be addressed. What is fake? Is Ore fake himself? Is his profile fake (this is what he is saying). All this has to be considered. Just because someone sticks false profile information on their profile, does not mean they are not qualified to be a moderator. For all we know , he has no desire to give out his real information online for personal reasons. People often do this as a safety precaution. There is no way to try and build a case against him because he chooses to remain unanimous to people he doesn't know. This also does not impact his ability to be "faithful" to users, this contention is invalid. Ore_Ele does not workIf you read above, he implemented an elo system and is always trying to get ideas pushed through to better improve site quality. This contention is entirely invalid and is based on my adversaries personal opinion of Ore. There is no evidence to support this, nor is it viable or true. Other UsersThis does not mean that Ore should be removed. Just because others could be qualified , that does not mean that Ore should be replaced. My adversary must show why he must be replaced, and up to this point he has failed to do so. Users Demand a ChangeThis is also invalid. He cites 2 people in a attempt to show the community does not like Ore. This could even fall into an ad populum under the right conditions. I could find more members than you could, that want ore to remain a moderator. In no way is there opinion related to whether or not he is qualified to be a moderator. His qualifications are separate from personal opinion. Forum DramaI am running short on characters but will keep this short. Krazy explained this above and I will not go into great detail due to character limits. Basically Ore "Trolled", a post krazy made for fun. It may have been in bad taste but Ore apologized for doing this. "To reiterate, I am genuinely sorry that I offended anyone. I will not do it to them again."http://www.debate.org...In addition to this Ore agreed to go back and name the correct person the winner and said he was wrong about the matter and was sorry if he offended anyone. In addition to this both Ore and Max forgave personal attacks from krazy against themThese are some of the insults Krazy laid out" Listen Airmax u fuker ban me permanently for this fuking post. I going to Larzthlooser's site edeb8. "" That fuking bitc*(Ore) cheated and my thread is gone."" Be the moderator soon and kill that bitc* Ore-ele and rape her i'll be waiting to hear this"Both Max and Ore forgave krazy and gave him a chance to improve his conduct due to the situation. ConclussionThe resoultion does not stand