Quran alone : The misled Sunni/Shia (the followers of hadith for guidance)

YOU: Irrelevant since the prophet is not worshipped, 3:79 - The EXACT word is Iba'da'an, the SAME EXACT word is used in 17:5. It does not mean WORSHIP. In 17:5 it explicitly means "servant". Again READ the ayat. 3:79..."Be servants to me rather than God"... How do you serve (near worship) someone? This is called idolisation. .....and you say you dont idolise him? You don't dress the same, walk, talk, eat, sleep like him? For Allahs sake he lifted his finger during a pray and you all do the same. Imagine he sneezed. Wow that would be a site. Every prophet was a part of their nation, they all walked different, talked different, had a different perspective but the same message. THESE WERE THE SAME "FIRST SOURCE" of the final prophet. Every question he had, these same narrations between our hands guided him. If the prophets FIRST source is the Quran FOR EVERY QUESTION, then a TRUE follower is one who obeys the prophet by following his example, not his culture. How can you take ANY OTHER source when your prophets first and ONLY source for guidance was the Quran? YOU: 75:17-19 the verse is talking about Mohammad (PBUH) only. So Allah uses "we" in the Quran continually and now the prophet is a part of that we? So was the prophet involved with the creating of the heavens and the earth? BTw for your reference the angel speaks directly to our messenegers "within" us acccording to 49.7 And Know wa-ilamu وَاعْلَمُوا that anna أَنَّ IN you fikum فِيكُمْ (is the) Messenger rasula رَسُولَ (of) Allah. l-lahi اللَّهِ YOU: but sometime practical demonstration is required, and that is what Mohammad (PBUH) provided. Do you REALLY THINK Allah sent Prophet Ibrahim to establish the house and salah and he didnt complete the task 100%? Do you think Ibrahim forgot to mention the steps of salah and for thousands of years (from him to the final prophet) nobody knew how to pray? The final prophet came to remove the man made additions. He didnt create ANYTHING new. We have established Ibrahim (2.125) stood, bowed and prostrated so we know the perfect "PRACTICAL DEMONSTRATION" was already set in place thousands of years before the prophet. YOU: can't explain how to pray or the amount of the Zakat using the Quran alone. Lets take your logic, that we can't explain it without Quran (ALLAHS WORD)Please explain to me if the how the prophet explained it without Quran? Wasnt the book his first and only source? Wasn't EVERYTHING he heard recorded? At what stage did the angel give him other than Allahs words to guide. Was Zakah and salah explained to us through his own desires?I didnt explain Zakah cause I ran out of time not cAUSE THE QURAN DOESN'T EXPLAIN IT.http://www.19.org...Allah explained "WE" in 75.19 explain it to Muhammad and he communicates what "WE" word for word gave him.YOU: Allah had explained the Quran to Mohammad (PBUH), and the verse showing that it is his job to explain the QuranI dont get your logic. it doesnt make sense.If Allah explained something, why does anyone worldly need to re-explain? Is Allah not All sufficient?The Quran is what guided the prophet, it was the same words he recieved to find Islam.How could he explain any additional guidance or explain the word, when the word is what guided him.If you asked the prophet he would not start explaining it. HE WOULD GIVE YOU direct reference within the book.Show me one prophet who would do anything different?YOU: 77.50 Misinterruption, making it irrelevant. The previous ayat repeats: "Woe, that day, to the deniers". The verse talks to people who disbelief in the Quran, then in whatfabi-ayyi فَبِأَيِّ HADITH Hadithin حَدِيثٍ after it ba'dahu بَعْدَهُ will they believe? yu'minuna يُؤْمِنُونَ Answer the question:IS YOUR HADITH AFTER THE QURAN?If you disagree with ONE ayat, it means you believe there is a contradiction in the Quran?This ayat, is about the deniers correct, but,its SPECIFCALLY about those who rejected the completeness of the Quran and accepted any hadith AFTER it. Concidently the category you fall into, the breakers of the convenat of Allah.YOU:There are two methods, either through the Quran and by asking the prophet. Why are you dismissing the second method, even to gain a better understanding of the first method?I think your a little confused about second method. What is the second method? not hadiths. Let me explain.The second source (the prophet) looked to the first source (the Quran) for answers and your trying to convince me, that I need a third source (hadiths) about the second source (prophet) or else I'm not going to understand the first source(Quran)?Heres a hypthertical for you.Tony is the best Mechanic in the world. Everyone loves him and turns to him for answers.You ask Tony a question and you notice Tony opens up a book and give you the answer.Someone else asks Tony opens the book and again gives the answer.Tony answers all his questions through the book.If Tony dies, why should I ask Tom, Dick and Harry about Tony, when ALL of Tonys mechanical wisdom is in the book?The problem with hadiths akhi is they're stuck in time. They don't renew themselves, We are not accountable for their actions...including the final prophets.The Quran is written for ALL of mankind not a period in history.From before us till after us. It is for now and deals with current issues.It changes with time.Everything else time changes. Why do you need 1400+ years of human history for guidance when the Quran changes with times and is the guide of all? Let me remind youThe prophets also made mistakes, he was human. The book guided him, if he made a mistake it was from him, not something the read in the book. Why would you make the same mistakes? YOU: And logically, if you follow the prophets who follow the commandments of Allah, you would be following the commandments of Allah. LOGICALLY the prophets followed the commandments, you follow the prophet not Allah.They are fighting for a cause, you a fighting for a person.Its like saying they are freedom fighters and you dont care about the message but the people involved.Its not about the messeneger but about the message! YOU: 4:65 submit and follow the judgement of Mohammad over matters of dispute. that judgement is not the Quran! Your not serious are you?So what did the prophet base his judgment on these disputes, his own personal desires or the book?If you make a judgement now, is it based on Muhammads judgement or Allahs?Prophet Ibrahim said: [26.82] And Who, I hope, will forgive me my mistakes on the day of judgment.So Prophet Muhammad couldnt even judge himself, how do you think he can judge without Allah (Quran)? YOU: why do you need to ask people of the Zikr? The people of Zikr are the ones who remind you of the contents book, not human history (hadiths) YOU:I agree with the majority of tafsirs that the Zikr is the Quran, however the clarification (Bayan) is the Hadith. How can man made hadiths explain a book from Allah that cant be explained with it explaining itself? YOU: Do you mean that the prophet would tell them to go see verse X from Sura X? How do you know the prophet's response?Hadith 1, Volumne 1, Number 1:O rasul, what is to answer to ANY QUESTION?He is the messenger of Allah. He is a prophet to CONVEY the message. Whatever question you think to ask the prophet he will answer from ONLY within the pages,or he would be speaking from his own desire.He would not give surah ayat or titles, those were introduce into the book in the Islamic Golden Age for referencing and indexing purposes. YOU: you are saying that Allah can indirectly mislead people since he sent that prophet whom people are supposed to obey.7:175-176 And recite to them (the) story (of the) one whom We gave [him] Our Verses, but he detached [from] them, so followed him the Shaitaan and he became of those gone astray. And if We willed surely, We (could) have raised him with these [and] but he adhered to the earth and followed his (vain) desires"..Read it again.If a prophet CLUNG TO THESE VERSES and hidden the message, he would have mislead people.I do not indirectly say Allah misleads.Allah guides man, without Allah man can only guide astray. YOU: The verse you provided is irrelevant since it talks about an anonymous person and not a prophet.HOW DARE YOU say there is something in the Quran thats irreleveant. It speaks of a man whom the verses were given to.He would be a prophet but failed, thats why he is not even worthy of being addressed. If he had delivered the message, he would have been a prophet.YOU: If Mohammad (PBUH) talked about something religious, would he be right or wrong? If he responded in a prophetic way (from the book) he is worthy of seperating right and wrong.YOU: And how do you know what the prophet commanded?Everything he commanded is recorded in the book. Without the book, he isnt a commander.YOU: Loving AllahHow else can one follow the messenger, but by accepting and following that which he delivered All the commands in the Quran have been given to follow the 'messenger' and NEVER to follow 'the prophet or Mohammed').YOU: prophet answers based on revelations. I agree - However, you claim that the prophet answers every question based on the QuranYou are answering yourself. Need I say moreYOU: SahabaThe word sahab means someone next to you. Not somone righteous. It has no connotation.e.g. 2.119 ...companions of hell fire5.86 ...these are the companions of the flame12.41 O my companions of Prison... ALSO26.61-62So when the two hosts saw each other, the companions of Musa cried out: Most surely we are being overtaken.He said: By no means; surely my Lord is with me: He will show me a way out.In this ayat we find a separation. Prophet Musa doesn't say Allah is with US but ME, singular plural to his "SAHABA" companions. Also in 9.40 we find Allah seperating the prophet from the sahaba (ABU BAKR)....Allah sent down His tranquillity upon him and strengthened him not them. YOU: Perfection How can imperfect 1+1=3 AS YOU ADMIT HADITHS ARE explain perfect 1+1=2 Quran?