God (Yahweh) Is Immoral Based On The Book Of Job

Pro: "That already is an illogical, when you say separate but together. Then you say, "It's beyond human comprehension." Not really. God transcends our sense of time because He put it in motion. If I went back in time and came upon my 5 year old self, I could watch over him, talk to him, even watch him go live his own life. Are we the same being? Yes. 2 individual entities. One being. * Pro: "Plus we can't understand the mind of Yahweh remember? Thus we can't look though his eyes, according to you." I've not made any such point in this debate. * Pro: "It's very clear he didn't want to be crucified." I don't particularly want to get up and take my daughter school in the morning, but I still willingly do it. * Pro: "That's not a good commander, let alone "god". Pro looks like he would have very undisciplined children. * Pro: "Utilitarianism" God never promised an easy or even happy life in this world, but in the next. Christ is referred to as a man of sorrow. * Pro: "Yahweh chooses to let bad things happen." That's what happens with free will. If you figure out how to get free will and no bad things, you let me know. * Pro: "All I'm saying is, if he hadn't have lifted the wall from around Job..." Pro is assuming God cannot possibly know or see something that he does not. God is omniscient. Job and his family are doing great now. Pro can tell us how this is a problem seeing Job and God know exactly where they stand with each other. * Pro: "Being mean to someone isn't preparing them. It's just being mean." This is semantics. It depends what you are being prepared for. * Pro: "Maybe, this is just too simple for Yahweh, but how about being nice, then we might love him?" The story of Satan is provided to show it doesn't work. Spare the rod, soil the child. This mentality begats nothing but spoiled, ungrateful brats. * Deuteronomy 22:28 Which is a punishment to the man, not the woman. He still had to have her father hand her over. It was a betrothing system. Pro is entangled with thoughts of modern romance. This is how agreements were made at the time. God protected the woman from being left to die by a man who ditched her after he took what he wanted. Society put no value on women. God did. * Pro: "Not wanting Yahweh to send Satan...." This life is temporary. Satan's power is temporary. The final outcome is being tried and refined. * Pro: "The Catholics at one time oppressed people." So have atheists. It doesn't reflect Christ. It reflects on the oppressor if their actions are contrary to God's commands. * Pro: "Even in our own country, we had Jim Crow laws which treated minorities as second class citizens. Half the population was also oppressed until the women's rights movements." And these things were over come by appeals to Christianity. Martin Luther King argued rights from our creator. Women's sufferage appealed to Christianity. Guess what? Secular man was not appealed to. Secular man acts like Stalin, Mussolini, and Mao Tse Tsung. * Con: "This proves my democratic values have nothing to do with being Christianized." False. "Rights endowed by our creator." - Decleration of Independance http://www.ushistory.org... * Pro: "How do you know it's Yahweh?" http://www.debate.org... * Pro: "If Yahweh told you that he wanted you to murder every unbeliever you came across, would you do it? Because if it comes from "god" it must be moral right?" I don't subscribe to the Quran which says to kill you. Our Lord said turn the other cheek, love our enemies, and do not return evil with evil. It would be inconsistant with His nature and mine. * Pro: "If your answer is no, then you are questioning the authority of "god" to determine what is moral or immoral." This is a false dichotomy. This assumes God and myself as some kind of absolute zero. Everyone questions things. We choose whether we obey or not. The imaginary scenario is just that. Imaginary. God did not command Satan. Satan chose to do what he did, God allowed it to justify condemnation of Satan, and Job's family was fine in the end. * Besides. The story is obviously an allegory to give us strength and comfort during adversity understanding that there is a reason for everything. Most of God's stories are not literal.