Supporting Isreal

Thanks to Pro for responding, Though I feel that some of his comments are callous and border on support for war crimes. All people are deserving of basic human rights and protection from atrocities. I hope Pro can acknowledge and accept thisin their next round argument and take it into account when making their argument. Addressing Pro's argument as a whole, I will note that it is completely unevidenced and in some places clearly wrong where it conflicts with the evidence based arguments I have already made in R1. Even where he doesn't contradict my evidence from the previous round, He makes unsupported claims that usually have little to no resemblance to reality. For instance he says things like "Every country commits war crimes" which is obviously untrue. Hell, Switzerland hasn't even been in a war at all since 1847[1] and the laws of war weren't written and formalised until the the 20th century with nothing solid being put in place until the middle of the 20th century when the horrors of World War 2 made the collected nations of the world say "never again. Similarly he talks about "Indiscriminate attacks by Palestinians on civilians during last summer's 50-day fight with Israel killed more Palestinians than Israelis and amounted to war crimes, The Amnesty International rights group said" but if you look at what Amnesty International actually said they talk about things like: "According to local Palestinian human rights organizations in Gaza, At least 31 children have been killed while protesting during the six months of demonstrations. Several videos posted on social media have shown unarmed protesters " men, Women and children " being shot by the Israeli army. In some cases, People were shot while waving the Palestinian flag or running away from the fence. For example, Video footage widely circulated on social media showed Ahmed Masabah Abu Tuyur, Aged 16, Being shot on 7 September as he was waving his hands at a great distance from the Gaza/Israel fence, East of Rafah. He was shot in the chest and died. On Friday 14 September, 12-year-old Shadi Abdul Aal was also killed by a gunshot wound to in the head. " or "social media videos, As well as eyewitness testimonies gathered by Amnesty International, Palestinian and Israeli human rights groups show that Israeli soldiers shot unarmed protesters, Bystanders, Journalists and medical staff approximately 150-400m from the fence, Where they did not pose any threat. " Those are just the first few sentences and they're all completely wrong. I can't dedicate this entire post to showing everything that's wrong throughout Pro's entire post as it's much easier to make baseless claims then provide reasoned and evidenced arguments so I'd hit the character limit, So I'll focus on the key areas of his argument and merely point out that Pro's claims completely lack evidence and so can be disregarded until Pro provides some. What Pro does do however is plagiarise the writing of others. You might notice that midway through his post his writing style changes significantly. This is because he starts plagiarising the Christians United for Israel website: See for example his description of Iran being taken from https://www. Cufi. Org/learn/threats/iran/, Hamas from https://www. Cufi. Org/learn/threats/hamas/, Syria from https://www. Cufi. Org/learn/threats/Syria/and Hezbollah from https://www. Cufi. Org/learn/threats/Hezbollah/. Survival This argument is logically fallacious on a number of levels. Firstly it conflates israel's survival and Israel recieving US support. Even in 1967 when Israel recieved little support, Israel was strong enough to attack all its neighborus and beat them simultaneously in 6 days [3]. It has been for decades and remains the strongest country in the region by a large margin. Though large, The $3 billion in military aid from the USA only accounts for a few percent of the total Israeli budget and therefore would not change the balance of power. [4] Moreover if Israel ever does face an existential threat, The USA can intervene regardless of whether it pays Israel billions of dollars a year. it also seems callous to talk about the hypothetical of the Israeli state ceasing to exist, Which shows absolutely no indication of happening, When Israel has been stopping the existence of the Palestine state for decades. Even moreso when israel is an aggressive country which often attacks it's weaker neighbours. Pro also fails to see how his mentions of Iran, Hezbollah, Iran and Hamas harm his argument. All of these are involved in war crimes to some degree, Although not so much in quantity nor variety as Israel, And all of them get sanctioned and treated harshy by the USA. Let's see if we can spot the odd one out from the below: - Syria commits war crimes and faces sanctions. - Hamas commits war crimes and faces sanctions. - Hezbollah commits war crimes and faces sanctions - Iran commits war crimes and faces sacntions. - Israel commits war crimes and is the single largest recipent of US Foreign Aid. Rewarding war crimes is morally inconsistent with the examples Pro themself cites. Similarity Israel is not fighting any enemies of the USA except for Hezbollah which is a very minor threat. The USA is not fighting Syria or Iran currently nor does Hamas target the USA. Hezbollah is a minor threat and not a basis for undermining the entire moral values of a country. Democracy Israel is only democratic if you ignore the millions of Palestinians kept in bondage with little to no rights, No ability to vote and war crimes constantly committed against them. If it is a beacon of democracy, Why has it held an occupied people in servitude for decades? If it's compassionate, Why are there the state sanctioned war crimes continually carried out that I pointed out and evidenced in round 1? If they are trying to repair the world, Why has Israel been carrying out a steady policy of ethnic cleansing? If they are powered by love, Why is Israeli Prime Minister supporting the political party Jewish power who literally worship and treat as a martyr a terrorist who walked into a mosque and gunned down over 100 people, Killing 29 of them? [5] Why these type of arguments make me sick The arguments Pro seems to make are, At their heart, That you can excuse war crimes and crimes against humanity if you want to. . If someone does something bad to you, You're allowed to massacre some of their children. If you do enough good things like giving rights to (Israeli) women then it gives you a free pass to abuse and remove the rights of other (Palestinian) women. I find this line of reasoning intolerable. There are no such clauses to war crimes and human rights abuses. The entire point of them was that we had seen the horror that war, Fighting and ethnonationalism could devolve into and we made a concerted stand against them. War crimes are wrong. Human rights abuses are wrong. That is both the moral and legal basis for them. I hope that basic human empathy would win over most people on this point, But to help those along for whom it doesn't - why doesn't this same reasoning make it alright for people to give support to Arab countries to kill Israelis? The argument made for supporting Israel map pretty well to arguments against Israel and in some cases apply even better - after all if Israel should be supported because its survival is at risk surely the Arab countries Israel has attacks and taken land from are even more at risk and need military support more. "Let's give money to the side we like to help them commit atrocities"" just fuels a never-ending cycle of violence. Only a stand in support of the rights of all people is worthwhile. If Pro actually believed in the values that he ends his post on such as "help and knowledge to other people and countries in need", "Repairing the world" or "Love and moral leadership" he would take a stand against all crimes against humanity and war crimes - not try and condone them. [1] http://tinyurl. Com/y45tvnc9 [2] http://tinyurl. Com/y8o2bqtn [3] http://tinyurl. Com/79x9v2z [4] http://tinyurl. Com/yyjq9dqj [5] http://tinyurl. Com/yyg46cdt