Prophecies in Religious Books do not prove Religions True

If this is your first rodeo that's fine, But it is advisable to stick to the topic at hand. Whatever the dead sea scrolls did is debatable and not pertinent. The cosmological argument is patently ridiculous. It is not hard to argue with at all. The difficulty of arguing against an argument has nothing to do with the validity of an argument even if it were. Let's leave the broad topics that are also widely debatable that don't pertain to the subject at hand out. 1. You have said you will prove that some prophecies in religious books are true and have meaning. Thus far all you've given is "The bible predicted the birth of Jesus. " This is a meaningless statement. The Bible has tens or hundreds of things that say something along the lines of 'the messiah will be born' or other notions. All of the Jews don't believe that Jesus was this messiah and they believe in the same book and the same prophecies. If you're going to say that the prediction that Jesus would be born is significant you must quote the actual prophecies to which you refer and show how they are meaningful and how they have come to be. It is all well and good that you SAY the Bible predicted Jesus' birth but it is meaningless when it comes to this conversation. We need to debate the validity and the meaning behind the actual prophecies, Not your summary of them. You cite archeological data. A census in the Roman Empire. Multiple verses of the Bible can be cited that directly contradict each other, Leading me to believe the census never happened. Can you link me a non-biblical source that has evidence that the census occurred? Am I to trust your holy book which directly contradicts itself to verify the prophecies in your holy book? This is a ridiculous notion. On top of that, Why don't you believe the religions of the "prophets" of today who make equally general, Vague, Or inevitable prophecies? Here is the criteria that would make a "prophecy" meaningful and be some proof of a religion's validity. 1. We can verify who the prophet was and the date the prophecy was created. This is important to ensure the prophecy wasn't simply a retelling of something that already occurred and so we can verify the prophet had no direct impact on the prophecy. 2. We can know if the persons or events involved in the prophecy knew of the prophecy's existence and its contents. This is important because self-fulfilling prophecies are meaningless. The birth of Jesus would be fine if he was actually the messiah at his birth. If he started changing himself to fit the prophecies after he read the Bible then the Bible is a self-fulfilling prophecy. It loses its meaning. 3. The prophecy is not general or vague enough to be interpreted to fit multiple scenarios. If a prophecy says "one shall be born and he shall don the colors of the noon sky and he shall be called the Great Mooloo. " This is not interesting or meaningful. It is so vague to apply to literally any born male. Why is this? This is what the prophecy is saying: 3. 1 Someone will be born. 3. 2 "he" implies it will be a male. 3. 3 The colors of the noon sky could be red, Orange, Yellow for the sun white for the clouds or blue for the sky itself. Probably blue. Anyone who wore a blue shirt at any point in his life could fulfill this. 3. 4 At least one person decided to call him the Great Mooloo at some point. How many people fulfill 3. 1? 100% of people. How many people fulfill 3. 2? 50% of people. How many people fit 3. 3? 100% of people. How many people fit 3. 4? Probably a small amount of people, But let's say some people knew of this "prophecy. " All they'd have to do is call a male who wears a blue shirt 'the great mooloo' and the prophecy is complete. This prophecy could refer to anyone in about 50% of the population at any point in history. This is how vague almost all of your prophecies are. 4. How specific the time is. Einstein predicted solar eclipses within several hours. Is your God so limited that his prophecies can do no better? With the above example I cited this prophecy has an unlimited time span to prove its validity. Even if the percentage of the population that it would apply to is. 00001%, It has thousands of years for this to come to be on numbers below. Which leads me finally to, 5. If the prophecy's chances of happening are not ridiculously low, It is meaningless. If a prophecy gives an exact time in which an event will occur the probability of that event happening is massively lowered. The more qualifiers the better. Here's an example of a meaningful prophecy: "There will be one named Jim Batista Raynor who will eat three sausages in the morning. After eating a banana, He will drop the peel and trip over the peel. A Number 3 pencil will fall out of his pocket as he falls and land point up. He will fall and pierce his left eye. He will survive this. After losing his left eye, He will scream obscenities, Fall down the subway stairs and run directly into a train. There he will meet his demise. All of this will happen in Time's Square New York In March of 2020. -Prophet Azen. March 2019. Posted on a forum on the internet for creepy things. Now how many people fit the bill here? What is the probability of its occurring? How well can we validate the prophet, The time of the prophecy, The events that unfolded, Et cetera? What are the chances someone, Much less Jim himself cold set this up perfectly, Or would even want to? Nothing says a prophecy has to be THAT specific. It simply needs to be somewhere closer to 'impossible to predict without divine inspiration' than it is to 'inevitable. ' Now, Religions presume their God is true based on vague prophecies of prophets thousands of years old who they largely do not know. They don't know when the prophecies were made. The prophecies were read by many. Many people had every reason to doctor prophecies or see that they were fulfilled. We have no way of verifying the validity of most of the claims, And they are vague enough to apply to nearly anyone. They had no time limit, No specific time, Et cetera. Most can be interpreted to fit whatever scenario the reader would like. This is the problem with prophecies. This is the problem with predictions. You have to ask yourself this: 6. What are the chances that someone predicted this without divine inspiration? Without divine inspiration they are not prophecies. They are the predictions of men who seek to pull the wool over your eyes for their personal gain. To conclude, You must provide at least one example of a prophecy that can be validated that matches the above criteria. Otherwise, Any mortal man could have predicted it. If you say that the probability of the prophecy coming true doesn't matter, Then you must explain to me how you know he difference between divinely inspired inevitable predictions and normal mortal men making inevitable predictions. The single chain of prophecies you have summarized and provided no specifics on thus far falls short. The supposed validation of it you cite has no historical non-biblical verification. Many people that believe in those books can disagree with your interpretation because it is so vague. Technically, For your prophecies to prove your religion true they would all have to come to be, And at least some of them need to be meaningful according to my above definition. Else, Is the right word for your deity "god? "