Second place is more valuable than first.

Well not exactly what I expected but here we go 1. So my opponent basically says that winning isn't important so shouldn't be debated and that you can start in a set position to start because of a "pre race" a. The first place when my opponent says winning isn't important which would defeat the point of all sports or competitive events. To win is to take first place the center of all so yes it is within "your" resolution. So in this world of debating the advantages of the places first would trump second. The resolution you set was that which has the larger advantage leads us to first place. If first place had a lesser value no one would compete because no one would want first the glory spot. b. To pull my original argument "To begin the race at a position then you would have to have already raced." I said this and my opponent responded by saying that they do race prior. I acknowledge this but the fact remains they are still racing to have the best position of first but until that first race everyone is equal. Also that last portion I said was rhetorical like no duh that is what we are doing right now it wasn't an argument. 2. This next point is absurd to say the least, he says that because people will a team to win they will win. Then he goes on to say that he can turn one of my argument that says 1st place has the glory etc. etc. ignoring the point of my argument...... a. The simple will of people in their minds cannot change the outcome of a sporting match. There may be yelling but that is no different from any other event regardless. People will choose sides that is the point of an event. There is no "advantage" to be found the fact still remains that the largest advantages are found in first place. b. Hold on a sec let me just stop and think... What?? How could you turn that if you try to turn it it just puts more into my argument by the fact you would concede that first place has glory. You admitted that first place has glory and thats where it is found. Tying this into the other point like my opponent did since spectators cant change the outcome then there is no point in associating glory with second place. 3. So this point is the NE cheated didn't in the superbowl lost because they underestimated them. Winning goes to peoples heads so they lose. a. Lolz thats actually pretty funny NE cheated and got caught within the first few games of the regular season. They didn't cheat after so to say that they lost the superbowl because they didn't cheat is a moot point at this point. The NE Patriots had a great team and practiced and played hard all season long even until the last game. b. Winning does do a lot of things to a team but forcibly cause them to lost it does not. For the fact that you want to debate advantages this is a scarce topic for you to pick up any leeway. For the advantage in first place this gives them confidence and inspiration as the team goes game to game each time building their confidence as well as their skills. 4. Lax team not in first so its not an example of stress, and my friend the valedictorian studies and is under stress. a. Well technically our team is first in our division and there is a fair amount of pressure but nothing negative so far. b. Point b stunned me because it contradicts your first couple of arguments. In round one you stated those under pressure collapse and fail. Yet your friend studies and has a lot of pressure on him yet he doesn't fail. Like I have been proving being in first isn't enough to collapse the first place team. You lose no sleep and first place leaves you with a happy thought each night. 5. Turn the fact because of point 2 a. This really doesn't say much to the debate, but it is a joke and this doesn't comparatively answer anything at all. The point I made was that winning first has the better advantage monetarily because of the values that are attached to each. It is a separate answer that cant be simply cross applied. 6. Second sees their flaws and there is no incentive to improve. a. First has to see their flaws and they do. If they cant do this just as well as any other team then they wont be able to maintain first place. They have to be at their best any time they are on the field. So there is no advantage to be found in 6a because both teams work equally as hard if not first working harder to maintain position. b. There is plenty of incentive to improve because if the first place team doesn't constantly improve they will be surpassed so they have the more work ethic to maintain that lead in front of the other. If you are looking for advantages in this argument there are still none to find. Oh and you receive feedback regardless of what place you come in. 7. Dont vote for my opponent because he supports NE a cheating group. a. To be honest I cant stand the Patriots that much I just wanted to see how far they could go I suppose you could call me a bandwagon fan. And dont vote for my opponent because he probably pulls for the Lions, man they make me mad. So at this point in the round CON is winning this round because the only advantages that PRO has are those which are shared between both PRO and CON. CON has the most advantages in the fact that first has the glory the money and the drive to succeed. Thank You