According to the Characteristics of Yaweh, Predestination is Evident

While the debate is advertised as being on predestination, the debate is one over whether free will can exist with God. C1: Omniscience The future being determined (known) does not violate free will, as I showed in my arguments. My actual points were not responded to. My purpose in pointing out that God is wholly outside of time is to make the distinction that choice is the child of flowing through time. "If God created person A, knowing person A would die at the age of 5. Person A does not have free will to live longer than the age of 5, for that is what God made it to be." People hardly have "free will" to determine how long they live in the same way they have free will to chose to do good or do evil. God does create the child who will die at 5 with full knowledge that the child will die at 5. This is completely irrelevant to the debate at hand. This has nothing to do with choice. My opponent has failed to respond to my analogy of the time traveler, and has merely re-iterated his points. People make their choices; God knows how they will choose. There is no conflict, as my analogy showed. He failed to respond to this. My opponent would have you believe that if an event's outcome is known, it means that it cannot be freely chosen. This is simply not true. The fact that we know that General Lee destroyed his army on a few hilltops near Gettysburg does not mean that he did not choose to order Picket's Charge. Choice is a matter of the present; fate is a matter of the past and the future. The supposed dichotomy between the two is false. C2: Omnipotence The verse talks about God doing something, but any time the Bible describes God doing anything, it must be an anthropomorphization of God. God is outside of time, and the basis of time. Thus, He cannot do anything, because doing something requires changing, which is a function of time. God is the reference point to which all things are relative. Everything that happens is, in some way, the will of God. Evil is because God wills people have choice (and both its positive and negative results) than a world of perfectly good automata. God knew the sociological change that was happening that would cause the Assyrians to come and do these things the passage talks about. They still did the things that they did freely c.f. C1. C3: Bible Points to Pre-Destination "What the Bible presumes is relative to one's interpretation. Given the respect to the scripture as a whole, one can still interpret it as the Bible revealing predestination (i.e. Calvinists)." I've yet to find a Calvinist who takes into account most of the things said in the Bible. Also, considering both Calvin and Luther threw out books of the Bible that disagreed with them (the Apocrypha; Luther wanted to throw out James and Esther too, because they disagreed with him), my argument still stands. Given respect for scripture as a whole, free will is infinitely more likely, since the Bible constantly gives ethical commands. This would be useless if humans did not have free will to fulfill said commands. "The problem is still apparent. The problem is that Joseph and his brothers were manipulated by God to serve his purpose. Joseph's brothers sold Joseph for their own gain, but God predetermined that action and used it for his own purpose. As verse 5 says, 'to preserve life hath God sent me before you.' and verse 7 'God sendeth me before you,Also,[sic] see my rebuttals.' [sic]" No, Joseph and his brothers freely chose what they did (as is revealed in earlier chapters). God knew their choices and their outcomes, and used the evil to create a greater good. C.f. my rebuttal of C1, there is no conflict. The significance of Acts 2:23 is HOW Jesus got to the cross. MEN nailed Jesus to the cross. MEN, who are morally responsible for their actions. These men have nailed an innocent man to the cross, Jesus Christ. Surely this act is immoral? But this act was also predetermined by God. These men were predetermined to SIN for God's purpose. God knew what men would choose to immorally do, c.f. rebuttals to C1. I eagerly await Round 4.