is God real

A simple reminder that the topic of this debate is simply "is God real." The person making a claim has the burden to substantiate their claim if they expect to be believed. I dont have to prove that the universe is eternal, or demonstrate where it came from to win this debate. I simply have to show that there is no good reason to believe that God exists. This is remarkable easy at this point as pro explicitly states "We dont have evidence that he (God) exists." This essentially concedes the debate. Pro has no intention of providing evidence to support his claim and thus voting con is the reasonable choice. Despite the above I would like to address the other statements made by Pro as well as articulate an arguement against the traditional concept of God. My opponnent seems to have entirely misunderstood my argument. He says that I argue that all complex life requires a designer. This is not what my argument shows. Rather, it shows that such an argument in favor of a God is self-defeating. Is God something? As Pro is trying to prove that God is real I would imagine that he thinks God is something. Where did God come from? must have been somewhere otherwise something came from nothing. Pro attempts to get around this by arguing that God has always existed. How convenient? He doesn't attempt to demonstrate this, rather he just claims it. Again a bare assertion. There are many ways to debunk intelligent design. As many have done it before me and better than I ever could I will simply quote one of them here. Richard Carrier was said that "99.9999%.... of the universe is filled with a lethal radiation filled vacuum, life cant exist in it. So, that means the vast quantity of the universe is inhospitable to life.... In fact if you do the math and put the entire observable universe into a house. The amount of volume in that house that would be hospitable to life would be smaller than the size of a proton. If you observed such a house you would not presume that the house was intelligently designed for life." (1) That is what pro is arguing. I will now offer a brief argument against the existence of a God. "is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then, he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then, he is malevolent. Is God, both able and willing? Then, whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then, why call him God?" (Epicurus, the Greek philosopher)I imagine most have been exposed at one time or another to the Problem of evil. The quote from Epicurus is perhaps its original form. Here I will demonstrate that Evil exists, and that because of this reality, God as defined in Christianity does not exist and is therefore not worthy of worship.Evil existsI imagine that all who observe the world we live in notice the reality of Evil. For example, there exists a multiplicity of instances of intense suffering. Often this happens to the innocent, or at the very least, the undeserving of the suffering to which they are subjected. Sam Harris put it this way. "Nine million children die every year before they reach the age of five. Picture an Asian tsunami of the sort we saw in 2004 that killed a quarter of a million people; one of those every ten days killing children only under five. That"s twenty four thousand a day, one thousand and hour, seventeen or so a minute" Any God who would allow children by the millions to suffer and die in this way and their parents to grieve in this way either can do nothing to help them, or does not care to. He is therefore either impotent or evil." (2)Remember, this is not a comprehensive account of evil that exists. It is merely the tip of the iceberg. Imagine all of the other people that suffer evil through no fault of their own. Consider the sentient animals that can and often do suffer. While many may argue the semantics of evil or what evil consists of, it seems clear that the intense suffering of the innocent is evil. Thus, it seems to me clear; Evil indisputably exists.The Logical problemThe following is taken from the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy."P1) If God exists, then God is omnipotent, omniscient, and morally perfect.P2) If God is omnipotent, then God has the power to eliminate all evil.P3) If God is omniscient, then God knows when evil exists.P4) If God is morally perfect, then God has the desire to eliminate all evil.P5) Evil exists.P6) If evil exists and God exists, then either God doesn"t have the power to eliminate all evil, or doesn"t know when evil exists, or doesn"t have the desire to eliminate all evil.C) Therefore, God doesn"t exist.(3)"ConclusionThe God as defined in Christianity does not exist. This is clearly demonstrated through the problem of evil. I have far exceeded my burden in this debate to argue that God is not real. Pro has not met his burden and has admited that there is no evidence to believe that God is real. Vote Con. Sources(1) (2) (3)http://plato.stanford.edu...