John McCain will make a better president than Barack Obama

New Point 1 – Obama's economic plans will destroy whatever fiscal discipline is left, and if Obama does reinstate Paygo (which won't work) – he will be left with no way to pay for his public programs except to raise taxes, which is ultimately bad for the economy since it withdraws capital from the economy – the basis of any economy. Experience: 1. i) Experience is not the sole determining factor for a person to be president – but it's pretty damn important. While Obama may have won the most delegates, Clinton won the popular vote, the better factor to judge public opinion. Most of the delegates came from caucus states where there was minimal participation. ii) This is absurd – he served in the Navy as an ensign from 1954 to 1967 (the date of his imprisonment). That's 13 years of military experience. Moreover, he survived due to his sheer patriotism (read Wikipedia). The Vietnamese wanted to release McCain early for propaganda purposes; however, due to his sheer patriotism, he refused and stayed and endured more than 5 years of torture iii) How does he relate with the lower classes? His comments in Pennsylvania about economic stress in the lower classes were causing bitterness, thus causing them to hang on to "guns or religion or antipathy, or anti-immigrant sentiment". This clearly shows that he's out of touch with the poor and middle class. iv) The experience must be at the right places. Being a community organizer doesn't prepare you nearly as well as serving for 26 years in federally elected positions. v) I said McCain's military experience – not the war in Iraq vi) Are you serious? He was in command of the largest fighter squadron during the Vietnam War (in the navy, not the marines) and has 26 years of experience in the federal government – how is this not leadership? Besides, what leadership experience does Obama have? vii) My point was concerning McCain's legislative experience – and you did not challenge that he did have experience – thus you conceded that. B) Judgment i) If Obama does not agree with Wright's views, then WHY DID HE STAY IN THE CHURCH FOR 20 YEARS and have repeatedly said that Wright was his spiritual mentor? It's not obvious – because he chose not to forsake Wright after his speech – only after Wright's latter speeches did Obama forsake him – which shows a lack of judgment ii) Yes, and my arguments about the 3am ad was that a singular example of a "correct" judgment in Iraq does not singularly justify his ability face urgent national security judgments. I challenged his reasoning behind the ad – not his ability to pick up the phone iii) But he voted "abstain" in the Illinois legislature more than 130 TIMES (http://www.npr.org...), which shows a lack of responsibility. Furthermore, a state level government experience and judgment CANNOT compare to that of the federal government, where McCain has 26 years of experience iv) We gain continual stability in the Middle East by continuing the war. We cannot simply "withdraw" and leave the Iraqis to fend for themselves. We have made good progress with the Surge, and if we withdraw now, we will lose all the effort we have put into Iraq, and the 4000 or so American lives will have been lost in vain. Let see what's worth fighting for: Democracy, Stability in the Middle East, Security of Petroleum deposits. v) Obama opposing the war was a lie? Well that makes my job a lot easier doesn't it? vi) The justifications for war may have been wrong, but we have already made the decision to go to war. The question now is whether to finish the job we started, or give up halfway through. A simple withdraw as advocated by Obama will DESTROY all stability in the middle east. Iran will move in with the Shiites in Iraq, and sectarian civil war will occur due to the presence of numerous religious militias. vii) you agreed to the fact that there is currently large amounts of violence in Iraq - thus we need American soldiers to control this violence or it will spiral out of control. viii) The original purpose of the war cannot be used to justify withdrawing now, there are two mutually exclusive qualities. Moreover, if you agree with me about the original purpose of the war, then why are you saying it's a "bad war" C) Policy i) There is no such thing as amending free trade – it's either free trade or restricted trade. ii) It shows McCain's policies are more pragmatic than those of obama's iii) My point was that there is empirical evidence that Paygo is simply not a tenable policy iv) 9-11 brought about a recession, and we're heading into one right now, but supply side economics still works (which McCain supports), as demonstrated by Reagan's policies v) There is competitive bidding right now – see Airbus vs. Boeing tanker bidding war vi) Kennedy went to Vienna, thinking that he can talk Khrushchev out of war, but Khrushchev saw him as a neophyte, and thus decided to bully America around – a direct result of this was the Cuban Missile Crisis ( which almost lead to nuclear winter) vii) Bush didn't talk to them – it was 6 party talks, and we basically bribed them with large crude deliveries every month. Onto other points: 1 i)Because talking to Al Qaida legitmizaes them and will give them even more support in the Arab world ii)It was his willingness to talk that started it. Moreover, he traded American strategic weapons in turkey for those in Cuba – a bad overall deal. iii)One example: Hitler and the rest of the world talked after the annexation of Sudetenland. Chamberlain came back Hitler and said "there will be peace in our time" – one year later, Hitler had France and Poland conquered – you can't negiotate with certain people. 2. i) He will let the Bush tax cuts expire – which is a TRILLION dollars worth of taxes a year (that's not a slight increase) ii) McCain is not giving UNIVERSAL healthcare – but merely giving tax credit (see McCain website). iii)You need a 60 vote plurality in the Senate to stop filibusters – Democrats will not get that much in november 3. i)McCain opposes non-medical abortions – not ones needed to save lives ii) It is another debate 4. i) Tax Credit (if passed) is a law. This is not a better plan. First, it will crush the medical infrastructure of this nation, will boomers getting ready to retire, this additional stress will cause the quality of healthcare and avability to decline. ii) Ok, but it will stay need to be paid for by more taxes and an increased national debt iii)Paygo doesn't work – empricially demonstrated already. Thus, he will either increased the debt with his massive social programs, or raise lots of taxes. 5. i) That article is dated more than a year ago, before the Surge started working ii) You have proven nothing – You have not countered my arguments about increased violence and instability in Iraq, which outweighs saving money and lives in the short run – since it will cost more in the future iii)If we leave, we will cause more people to die. We're not killing Iraqis indiscriminately, we're killing the ones involved with Al Qaida. iv)Can you please direct me to where you mentioned bush tax cuts in your original point #5 in round 1? Because all you said under point 5 was: "Obama will pull us out of Iraq, which will save lives and money." 6. i) What exactly is public diplomacy? 7. No Child Left Behind i) NCLB gives money to schools that generally perform better - there are numerous stories of how Schools have performed better due to NCLB ii) It does not make good schools overcrowded - zoning regulations do iii) NCLB seeks to equalize educational standards in this country - and is of great help to the disadvantaged who used to not get a good education.