Paul was a false prophet: Original sin and the law

Thank you, Thus far I have addressed at length the 4 main reasons why Paul has been accused of being a false prophet. Now I will address Pro’s points from rounds 3 & 4. R3 You gave some NT examples of other characters referring to Paul as a prophet. Not that the rest of the NT is trustworthy, but anyone can make a mistake and believe that about Paul. Pro proclaimed he would prove Paul was a false prophet biblically. I quote from portions of the bible not written by Paul and Pro says they are “untrustworthy” and “mistaken”. Bait and switch. I would not have accepted a debate where every biblical writer is a false prophet or unreliable. Impossible to prove anything Pro or Con. Jesus was not on the scene in Acts 15. The reference is to an OT prophecy and you are simply giving Paul the credit. I never quoted from Acts 15. I quoted from Acts 9. Jesus is most assuredly in this passage and he commissions the apostle Paul. I suppose Jesus is unreliable too? First Paul knew almost nothing about OT law. That is part of Christianity's big deception to you. How could he know about a law that was stamped to be in effect forever and say that it was nailed to the cross? How could you miss that? Luke records that Paul was a Pharisee. Paul claims that he was a Pharisee. I provided a reference from the Jewish encyclopedia about Pharisees. Pro replies with a mere assertion that I have been deceived. The verse about sins being nailed to the cross is easily explained by anyone who understands that the N.T. fulfills the O.T. I believe that this verse is not speaking of the law but of the debt that we owe for not obeying the law. I realize that some Christians interpret this to be speaking of the law. Perhaps you have a point with them. I am not them. There is no contradiction. Here is a valid interpretation for this passage that includes the context. [1] Anyway, are people born without sin? Of course. How does a 2 day old baby break one of God's laws? Please don't ignore this question. There is no need to ignore this question. A basic understanding of original sin answers this question. Each of us is born with a sin nature. This is why we sin. I don't know why you listed all those verses about man committing sin because they have nothing to do with Paul's doctrine of being born with original sin. Paul taught you were lost from the minute you popped out. I stated why I listed the verses. The verses were examples of how the bible speaks with one voice about the sinful state of man. Paul may have explained the cause of man’s sinful state more thoroughly but this is in no way a contradiction. In order for there to be a contradiction Pro must show that the bible teaches that man is NOT born sinful. Crickets… If Jesus came to die for our sins and belief in him is necessary and the law is "nailed to the cross," consider Malachi 4:4: "Remember the law of Moses my servant, which I commanded to him in Horeb for all Israel, even statutes and ordinances. Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the great and terrible day of God comes (Malachi 4:4). Malachi 4 is a reference to the coming messiah. “But to you who fear My name The Sun of Righteousness shall arise With healing in His wings…” We have a specific time-frame reference given in vs5 “Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet Before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD.” Mt 11:14 "And if you are willing to receive it, he is Elijah who is to come.” This is Jesus speaking of John the Baptist. (See also Mt 17:11; Mr 9:11; Lu 1:17) Malachi calls the people to remember the Law of Moses which included blessings and curses. They had been warned. The entire book of Malachi is a rebuke to Israel and ends with this foreshadowing of judgment (curses). Judgment did indeed come to Israel in A.D. 70. with the destruction of the temple. Josephus records the devastating slaughter that took place. Once again we are talking about fulfillment. The only contradiction is for superficial students only. R4 The old "out of context" excuse. Heard it many times. Based on your use of scripture, there is a very good reason you have heard it many times. You are now thinking like a Pauline Christian under this mistaken idea that you had to keep the law perfectly from cradle to grave or you could not be one of God's people. This is just an idea that Paul invented. There is no mention of this in the entire OT. I said no such thing. Reread my explanation of how one is righteous by the law. While you are there please answer my question. You quoted from Deut. That obeying the law “will be our righteousness”. What does obeying the law mean? Surely you know what it means or else it could hardly be used as a contradiction to what Paul taught. I have presented my hermeneutical approach to scriptures. I look forward to hearing yours. I have proven this doctrine of Paul's to be wrong. All you have to do is read the OT. No one else but Paul even taught this. You have made assertions but have proved nothing other than you have no interest in context or a coherent interpretive model. This is just one of those Bible fallacies that I like to point out too. Israel was a nation and a nation cannot keep the law. Only individuals can. A nation is not capable of making a decision to keep or not to keep God's law. Only individuals can. How can a nation abstain from pork or keep the Sabbath? If you are going to say "the people as a whole," what percentage? A nation sinning is like a chair sinning. Not possible. Surprise! Malachi is a false prophet too. Just because you don’t understand something doesn’t mean it is a fallacy. Your ignorance of scripture is the only reason you do not understand. More accurately your unwillingness to even try to learn and discover a solution to the supposed “fallacy” is the real problem. God chose the nation of Israel as his possession. He entered into covenant with her. He promised blessings or curses if she obeyed or disobeyed the law. You mention individual sins. I explained the different aspects of the law. The nation of Israel was ruled by kings. The king had much influence on the direction of the nation. Is the king supporting the priests and the sacrificial system? Are the Levites performing the sacrifices as detailed in the law? Is the nation keeping the civil laws pertaining to crime & justice? Indeed the nation failed to keep the law and did experience the curses in the form of the Babylonian and Assyrian captivities. Eze 39:23“And the nations will know that the people of Israel went into exile for their sin, because they were unfaithful to me. So I hid my face from them and handed them over to their enemies, and they all fell by the sword.” Jeremiah 22:9 And the answer will be: 'Because they have forsaken the covenant of the LORD their God and have worshiped and served other gods.'" We know from Daniel that there were faithful individuals exiled to Babylon. But the nation was being judged for her unfaithfulness. You or I don’t need to know how much unfaithfulness is allowed before God drops the hammer. The civil leaders and spiritual leaders had failed to keep the law and govern God’s people according to the law. Moreover they promoted the worship of idols. Individual faithfulness notwithstanding, the nation had not kept the law. Modern example: The SCOTUS just negating the DOMA. As an individual, I support the definition of marriage as between one man and one woman. However I am a citizen of the USA. The SCOTUS is the highest law in the land and thus very much represents the nation of America. In a very real way, America has spoken on this issue. The constitution and Declaration of Independence speak for our nation also. “Not possible” for a nation to sin you say. This is but another empty assertion based on your inability to understand. Certainly not on the bible. Blessings, [1]http://www.truegospel.org...