The two party system has run its course and is dividing America.

Wow! Incredible arguments - stunning personal accounts of your life - very honest assessments of things- very accurate assessment of me! I dont really have anything more to add, and just so you know- although I bash liberals to no end- it is mostly in fun and jest- it is SO easy to get their goats- way back to my undergrad days at berkeley- that I guess I still am kind of a bit of a liberal sadist about it- they being so emotional My wife is a liberal medical social worker in the City of SF- and my best friends are all liberals too- I am the lone republican and conservative so its kind of funny really I have slowly won them over to some of my points of view- :) I am heartened to hear of your convictions on abortion- it is truly a crime against humanity- and the hard core supporters really are supporting murder and evil, whether they know it or not the stem cell thing you pretty much have nailed- there is alot of hype surrounding it- but like other debates I have tried to have here- unless you are TRAINED in science, you are NOT capable of debating those types of subjects and unfortunately, you will be subject to propagandizement On the gay thing- I appreciate your heart felt story about your friend- quite a tragedy for him to die so young! The debate on "gay marriage" is NOT about the right to be homosexual, and be it out in the open, and not be discriminated against. Gay people , like my aunt who has been with the same woman for like 20 years, have all the rights in the world! They and MATURE gay folks DONT CARE about this political football the people that are out in the streets clamoring for gay marriage are simply trying to get RELIGIOUS people, not the STATE to accept their lifestyle. Most religious folks dont accept the gay lifestyle as being what God intended, and can point to scriptures that frown upon it. Now, the Muslims will straight up MURDER gays, like in Iran, and are QUITE homophobic, becuase given the fact that men and women are forbidden to be together, there is rampant homosexual conduct in strict Islamic societies that noone will talk about- that is a different story altogether that kind of thing doesnt happen here- gays are perfectly free, and successful, and what not- families can be quite unaccepting, but thats life. the issue I have with male homosexuals in particular is that I beleive it tends to be a risky and promiscuous lifestyle, that often leads to depression and drug problems. Not really true for lesbians. In short, we should all be tolerant of eachother and get along. I simply will not tolerate EVIL. What is EVIL? molesting children, for example The main issue I have with the SF libs here is that in their ULTRA tolerant viewpoint (except for conservatives) they DO tolerate EVIL, like NAMBLA, which advocates sexual relations between grown men and boys. And you should see the homeless and drug problems in the great city of SF- they are horrendous! they just crap in the streets and set up camps and deal drugs and the cops hands are tied. So in terms of politics, I think that we would benefit from more parties, like the libertarians and the greens, for example, so everybody doesnt have to cram their wide spectrum of beliefs into one size fits all. cheers and thanks for the thoughtful debate sincerely SOLARMAN