Newt Gingrich vs. Rick Santorum

Point 1.My rebuttal is if Newt was so conservative why did he political lobby with freddie mae and freddie mac? Lobbying with large govermenal rganizations that dis the republican party is worse then being pro insitutions that are for the repubicans. Regardless the cost, also those 2 companies i mentioned are a large cost as well. Also you forgot this:Budget and economy - Voted for balanced budget constitutional amendment - Solid conservative on cutting spending and deficits. [2]Point 2.at least he didn't support obamacare like laws like he did with hillary. [1]Before his bid for president he supported socialistic polieiec for educaton [1]at least he didn't go on a TV add with Nancy pelosi supporting cap and trade [1]at least he didn't co sponser 418 bills with nancy pelosi. [1]Really there are a few more which need not be listed yet, yet you still claim he is a conservative. Really?Point 4"I lost an election in the worst election year for Republicans in the history of our state," Santorum said to CNN. [3]Makes sense, every one hated the republicans because of bush and the deficit and a slipping economy. Many republican lost their bids that year. Also PA is a liberal state, a good excuse. You forgt where in districts like this he beat liberals many times, but lost this due to the bush failures. Also the person eh ran against was former govermer, so a govermer or an incumbant. The governer can always say he has executive experience. There are many viable non failure reasosn he lost. Polls conducted before Santorum's re-election defeat found voters in Pennsylvania opposed to the Congressional intervention in the case. Santorum's handling of the Schiavo situation did agree with social conservatives who are now flocking to his campaign. [3] That was another reason, he did a conservative unpopular thing. Anothe rreason he lost, but at least he did the right conservative thing. Point 5 The former senator is right on this. He was elected to help Pennsylvania. It was his duty to get them as much funding as possible. But, let’s be clear. That money wasn’t going to go away if he didn’t take it. It would have gone to some other state who’s senator did their job. I see no conflict between trying to get as many earmarks as possible as senator and being against the policy of earmarks as President. [4] This is from an anti santorum site, saying he is right, he did the status quo. Also really? souce the info for the he vetoed it b/c of earmarks, then we talk. Bu this site says the earmark acusaiton is baseless. Also wanna talk earmarks? Let's talk about other canidates. Point 6 Once again, my first source states 10 liberal positions of newt. ere is more proof and examples of newts liberaless: When you consider Gingrich was behind big government programs like SCHIPs as Speaker, it's hard not to notice Newt was never about a conservative revolution--but his years as Speaker was spent preparing him for the millions he would make as a lobbyist. [6] So yes santorum has some faults, but newt is a total fail moderate. "To tell you the truth I think if people had to choose between Newt Gingrich's record of his number of wives vs. the number of times Rick Santorum spent trillions of dollars" Well socially newt has a bif problem there. Also ick voted for a balanced budget ammendment. Let's look at NEWTS record: Newt Gingrich Backs Funds For Abortion Newt Gingrich filmed a commercial with liberal Democrat Nancy Pelosi advocating the feds impose regulations to cut back global warming - Newt Gingrich wants to replace the EPA instead of abolishing it Newt Gingrich lobbied for ethanol subsidies Newt Gingrich's Environmental Problem Newt Gingrich co-sponsored the Global Warming Prevention Act Newt Gingrich says he would've voted for TARP (burn jk) Newt Gingrich supports Obama and Mitt Romney's healthcare plan (lol) Newt Gingrich says the government must force people to buy health insurance [7] AND THEIRS A WHOLE PAGE FULL OF IT. So wanna argue who is m eliebral then let's go. Also wan't to raise taxes: Well being for cap and trade = higher taxes. Once again wanna argue liberal votign records bring it on. "I would also like to say that (not including the decimals) there is a 9% difference in Obama vs. Gingrich and 8% when he takes on Santorum" Yes anything can happen but it still proves (as w are in the unknown) that santorum is slightly more electable at this moment. This is a concession. "Remember that Newt was the last person to balance the budget. Chances are Gingrich would be more aggressive than Santorum in a general election in debates and ads." 1. Newt is for a positive campaign [8] 2. How do you know? No proof that either will be stronger, wait I p't positive ads. My point previals. "Basically, Santorum is in many ways agreeing with the plans Gingrich has so why not Gingrich anyway?" 1. yes they agree, so that argument was to show this argument is = for both 2. Santorum trumps newt as he is more conservative. Also an agreement =/= let's vote gingrich. It is a let's weigh both of the canidates. "He does not have a full page for energy reform which could save the country a lot of money, he does not have a full page to deal with immigration" lol newt will be pro EPA replacement (same hting different name) and cap and trade. SO yes higher taxes, and more spending. Evens out. On September 20, 2006 Senator Santorum appeared on Hannity and Colmes to discuss the Secure Fence Act of 2006. He touts the differences on immigration between him and his opponent. [9] No amnesty and a fence more border agents send them back. [9] He has an immagration policy. Newt is for amnesty. Rick has a conservtive border policy (I am actually against a fence) but in a conservative view Rick wins. ricks energy plan: Santorum favors an energy policy using oil, natural gas, coal, and nuclear energy. He opposes new regulations on natural gas, and would allow drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge (ANWR). [10] So every thing "he doesn't have" he has. "He has said anything about changing his views so he must support raising the debt and so on about my other proof of what he has done. " He voted for a balanced budget: He also voted for a balanced budget amendment and a line-item veto in 1995. [11] No change in spending. Also I have listed MULTIPLE newt flip flops, you list a possible one, therefore Newt is worse. =conclusion= My oppoennt concedes my case andjust tries to make santorum worse on the things i have said, which I disproved. Also in the point above he says santorum ip flopped once, I mentioned like 5 or 6 newt flip flops. His arguments are also riddled with fallacies. Also I cannot see where his info comes from as his source format is odd. Also his format is a little odd but it is ok. Vote con as my opponent has failed ot prove or refute his claims. http://themoralcollapseofamerica.blogspot.com... [1] http://conservativedailynews.com... [2] http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com... [3]http://race42012.com... 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