Jesus isn't the son of God

I will finish this round with concluding arguments and a recap of why previous arguments show I am correct. As well as responses to my opponent's last round. Let's begin. Responses:My opponent in the last round did something that I never appreciate. Instead of presenting the evidence that fulfills Pro's burden of proof in Round 1 like Pro should have, Pro decides to leave it out until Round 3 of a long debate. The reason this is mishandling of evidence, is because evidence is used to present BOP. When Pro does so at the end of the round and not the start, it means that I have been fulfilling my BOP and Pro has not. Note that I have definitions throughout the debate. With this is mind I ask voters to avoid attributing Pro's evidence to his cause because its foul play to suddenly bring up the Bible now. Another thing. The resolution's interpretation from its wording, implies all I have to do is show one way of seeing Jesus as God being correct, and I win. Just so we are all on the same page. Now for some responses to my opponent's points. Opponent's words in Bold. "Here, I'd like to tell my opponent and the voters something. It isn't appropriate for God to have a son. When you believe in God and his might, You can't expect him to have a son. And my opponent agrees that it cant be logically explains and he fails to provide proof. So that a minus for him. "Ok I fail to see how this is a minus for me. If I may, here is a logical explanation. God was going to create a people. He knew when He gave them free will they would use it to make themselves trash. He needed a sacrifice, hence Jesus fit his Divine plan from the beginning. That is the human logic reason as to why God would ever create Jesus. But it seems the Bible makes it clear God must have Jesus to exist as the God He is. They are one and the same. John 1:1-5 says "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. 5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome[a] it. " . https://www.biblegateway.com... This is clearly saying that Jesus was God in the begining. And if that was so, then He is God currently because God cannot suddenly end being God. Note this also, Jesus is agreed upon by almost everyone to represent the "Word" in this verse because when Jesus came down to Earth He was the literal Word of God. So this is clear evidence of Jesus as the Son of God, being God. "Well, first of all God doesn't need anything. He is well able to do everything in his own. "Yes, that is completely true. But one thing God the Father (a spirit metaphysical being) had to do to reach humanity on the same level, was have a son who could be human. This is where God needing Jesus, another aspect of Himself to reach humanity, came into play. Stop seeing this in human terms, and think from the persective of God knowing He is a three-part tool (a trinity) that can accomplish different things which add up to doing everything. "Why not Angel? They would be better and why make him son? "Because Angel's are not perfect. Have you read the Bible? Satan is a fallen Angel. "Why should they to him? Just because he doesn't have a father? "Oooh the roast. But seriously, Jesus Himself claimed God was His father. John 8:12-19 basically sums up your complaints on my arguments and my responses. "12 When Jesus spoke again to the people, he said, “I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life. ” 13 The Pharisees challenged him, “Here you are, appearing as your own witness; your testimony is not valid. ” 14 Jesus answered, “Even if I testify on my own behalf, my testimony is valid, for I know where I came from and where I am going. But you have no idea where I come from or where I am going. 15 You judge by human standards; I pass judgment on no one. 16 But if I do judge, my decisions are true, because I am not alone. I stand with the Father, who sent me. 17 In your own Law it is written that the testimony of two witnesses is true. 18 I am one who testifies for myself; my other witness is the Father, who sent me. ” 19 Then they asked him, “Where is your father? ” “You do not know me or my Father,” Jesus replied. “If you knew me, you would know my Father also. ” . https://www.biblegateway.com... What Jesus is saying here was clearly understood by the Pharisees. Jesus claimed He was God, and therefore stood for two people, making two witnesses in the eyes of the law. He is saying the Father sent him because in the Trinity, Jesus is the one who takes orders from the Father, who is the giver of the orders to Jesus and the Holy Ghost. It's not too difficult to understand. "One point Here, IF JESUS WAS GOD HE CAN'T DIE. It doesn't matter he was half human or whatever his half god self shouldn't let him die. "Seems I didn't adequately explain this enough. Jesus when He died as a human, lost the human part of His soul to death in sins. What Jesus still had was His soul that made Him God as God's Son. That soul was what allowed Jesus to rise from the dead, and beat death. So after that Jesus ascended up into the clouds to live forever fully human and fully God. So in the human sense of the word Jesus did not die. Because He failed to stay dead. "Jesus spoke to a man who had called him "good," asking him, "Why do you call me good? No one is good except God alone. " (Luke 18:19)"Contrary to what you think no where in that verse does Jesus say He isn't good. He just asks WHY is he being called good. He is throwing the argument and an explanation back. "If Jesus had been telling people that he was God, he would have complimented the man. Instead, Jesus rebuked him, denying he was good, that is, Jesus denied he was God. "He did not rebuke Him. The man was calling Jesus the human God. But Jesus the fully human is not God. Jesus would not have complimented the man because the man would not have believed Him to be God. It's simple logic really. "Jesus cannot be God if God is greater than him. The Christian belief that the Father and son are equal is in direct contrast to the clear words from Jesus. "Umm actually we Christians believe whatever is written in the Bible. And that varies based on interpretation. However I believe firmly these verses are saying Jesus is the subordinate to God the Father in the Trinity relationship. "If Jesus was God, he would have sought worship for himself"Wrong. The scriptures clearly state Jesus was there to serve us, not receive our worship while on Earth. Once he ascended to Heaven and completed His work, then He was deserving of our highest praise. "Note: Adam, not Jesus, is listed in this genealogy of Jesus as the son of God, not Jesus. "You don't read the genealogy that way. Jesus is the very first name in the Genealogy and Adam being a son of God is the last entry. So you are reading it wrong. That genealogy is in the Bible to prove Jesus mighty heritage through all the partriarchs. "Later on, the priests are asking Jesus (peace be upon him) if he claims to be the son of God. He tells them in fact, it is they who are making this claim. "Because Jesus was not there to make it know He was the Son of God in need of worship. The Pharisees thought the Messiah would strike the Romans. Jesus here is pointing out that He is there for a different purpose. "Jesus, speaking in the third person talked about the "Son of God" in [John 3:17 - John 5:24 - John 11:4 - John 11:27]"Should have listed the verses out. Actually quoted them. "since we need evidence from both books. "We don't because both contradict each other. Therefore Jesus should be proven Son of God from where the idea of Jesus came from, the Bible. "Does this support the case the doctrine that Jesus, peace be upon him, is the "begotten Son of God? "How does it not? "Does that mean. . god begotten Jesus? If so, then How? I'd love to know the logic behind this. "He's God. He a) doesn't conform with human definitions that are imperfect b) can do whatever He desires and c) Had Jesus as a Son in a way we might never know. "I'd love to see my opponents response and if he can provide the proofs or not? "Since I have little time and characters I will be brief. In this debate I have proven not through direct logic of the begetting of Jesus by God itself. But through outside evidence, definitions, and sources that Jesus is undoubtedly in the Christian religion's eyes, the Son of God most high. I believe if the voters review the evidence they will see this. To recap. Jesus is God's Son. God is a trinity that is split into God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Ghost. This trinity is a perfect organism that is bonded as well as separate. The Trinity is the reason that Jesus makes claims of God heirarchy. The Trinity is the reason Jesus has a purpose. The Trinity is the reason Jesus exists. My opponent has wasted his early chances for sources, and has resorted to using misleading verses in the last round. Because of all this, I would strongly ask youVOTE CON. Thank you for a good debate. -42