Abortion

'You have stated that if the fetus doesn't feel pain then it shouldn't be a problem but that doesn't justify abortion. If something doesn't feel pain it's still not OK to kill them. If someone was in a coma or couldn't feel pain in any circumstance then you shouldn't kill them just because they don't feel pain.' I would like to argue that you're utilizing a false equivalency. An unthinking fetus incapable of sentient thought simply cannot be compared to that of a complex, intelligent being capable of thought. Even more so when we consider the difference in context between someone in a coma which may wake up with numerous important relationships established with other people and that of a fetus which isn't capable of thought with no relationships with people. It's simple, a 30 year old man will have friends and family, meanwhile a fetus won't. Furthermore, it's not just that fetuses cannot feel pain, but they simply aren't even aware of their own existence. 'You are also taking away the life that child could live but abortion denies that child (or fetus) to any future life.' Irrelevant, life is only valuable to those that can experience it. Also, I'm quite sure I can easily utilize this argument for all the semen that's pointlessly wasted every time someone either masturbates or chooses to engage in sexual acts which don't end up with a baby. These too have no less potential of having a future life, and yet no one seems to care about throwing them away over far more petty reasons. 'Life is a gift and should never be taken away from anyone.' Once again I would like to redirect you to my quote on how life is only valuable to those that can experience it. I agree with you, life shouldn't be taken away from anyone. Being a vegetarian, I'll even go further on that and say that no living, breathing creature capable of thought should have that taken away from them. But still, a fetus isn't a person nor is it a creature capable of either pain or thought. The only thing we're taking from them is potential. Potential no different and inconsequential than you choosing not to buy that scratch ticket which may or may not have won you a hundred dollars, than going down that road which might have gotten you into a car crash, or going to that website which might have crashed your computer. Reality isn't based around what it can possibly be, but what it is through our choices. 'They could do something great in this world or even save lives.' It"s kind of interesting to see that I"ve already pre-emptively replied to this point. Yes, a fetus has potential into becoming someone that saves lives. Just as easily though, it also has potential into being a completely terrible person or perhaps your typical schmuck that works a pointless job for the betterment of someone else. This is exactly what I mean when I say that reality isn't based around what it can be, but what it is through our choices. It's interesting to speculate on what 'can' happen, but let"s leave speculation to our imagination and not base our reality on it. Because just as easily as you can say 'They could do something great' I can just as easily argue that 'they could have committed horrible acts, so abortion'. Just imagine if Hitler's mom got an abortion. . . . Sorry, I just couldn't help myself from dabbling a bit into dark humor. 'They will never experience love, happiness, or anything joyful in life.' Once again we return to my point on life only having value for those that can experience it. Furthermore, I'm willing to argue it's far less cruel to have something taken from you before you can comprehend how painful it is to actually lose it. Abortion is a far easier way to go than someone spending their last few moments weak and fearful of their inevitable death. Eventually, we have everything taken from us, and this is one of the better ways to go compared to the likes of being crushed, drowned, murdered, beaten, or what have you. "It also amazes me that everyone that is for abortion has already been born." It doesn"t amaze me, because the fact that I was born is irrelevant. If I wouldn"t exist then I wouldn"t exist, and that"s all there is to it. Think back to my earlier statement of speculation on inconsequential potential. If I exist then I can comprehend things. Life is valuable because it has subjective value. If I don"t exist then I cannot comprehend life. Life is not valuable because I have no understanding of it nor can I give it any value. And when you consider all the small decisions throughout our entire history which eventually came down to me being born, I hope it becomes absolutely clear how inconsequential it was for me to either be born or not. What does amaze me, however, is the countless number of people that equate abortion to murder while they enjoy eating their eggs for breakfast and their meat for dinner. It seems quite tragically funny how the worth of life suddenly shifts from being sacred and meaningful to being even less than nothing when we go from a creature that cannot think or feel anything to that of living, breathing creatures that can at least even comprehend what pain even is. I even dare argue that for these creatures that living is actually a detriment; existing actually becomes the unfavorable outcome. "You also stated that it helps population control but that doesn't mean you should let these children die without a chance in life." A fetus isn"t a child. I believe I"ve established this. A child can communicate, feel, and think, while a fetus can"t. "Killing helps population control and the Holocaust even helped population control but that didn't make it right." And we close this with another false equivalence combined with Godwin"s law. The mass systematic killing of living, breathing people that were thrown into horrendous conditions simply cannot be compared to someone having an abortion. These people can comprehend life and pain, a fetus can"t. My argument isn"t that population control is always good no matter the methods utilized; my argument is that abortion is a procedure that doesn"t harm an unthinking being incapable of thought while it also happens to help our population. Nothing is being physically harmed from this and it inadvertently serves for a greater good. Meanwhile for the holocaust, countless people have been harmed in horrific ways and it never served even the smallest possible concept of a greater good.