Abortion

Response Point 1 (my response to your response point 2): First of all, you asked for statistics that said that most women who have abortions are poor. I gave them. And second of all, you again misinterpreted the point. Again, as I said, children living in these sorts of poor conditions, a lot of which live in the bad part of town, will grow up to lead miserable life, and may be murdered or murder somebody (or more). They would be better off not being born. Response Point 2: This has extraordinary purpose to this debate because the "39 women died of illegal abortions in 1972" argument would be blown apart with that kind of knowledge because there could be an indeterminate number of other deaths in 1972 due to illegal abortions. And there is ample evidence to believe this. What is the evidence? Money is power. Money can do just about anything in today's world. Even change the COD on the death certificate. Response Point 3: The baby does not feel pain. "Fetuses cannot feel pain until at least the 28th week of gestation because they haven't formed the necessary nerve pathways, says Mark Rosen, an obstetrical anesthesiologist at the University of California at San Francisco.": http://discovermagazine.com.... Abortion is not murder. "to be "murder" an action must involve "killing." Something that was alive before the act must be dead as a result of the act. Meeting this criterion alone is insufficient reason to label something a "murder," however, because we often kill things in situations where no one would ever think of uttering the term "murder.": http://www.dbcuuc.org.... And adoption a lot of times results in the abusing of the child and is not better. "Adoption is not better than abortion because by the time a mother's (and father's) child is born the choice is not adoption vs abortion but whether to keep and nurture her already born son or daughter or to abandon him/her legally so some other person may adopt.": http://www.exiledmothers.com.... Abortion can not be considered murder because a lot of the population ACCEPTS abortion. And adoption can not be considered a viable alternative because the child a lot of times will be abused and the child could be refused by the parents and be left on the street. And plus, a lot of children in the adoption system do not get adopted. Response Point 4: "The cost of a vaginal birth without complication ranges between 9 and 17 THOUSAND dollars. If there are complications, or if a C-section is required, the cost is 14 to 25 thousand.""By contrast, an abortion in the first trimester either by pill or in clinic costs about 300 and 900 dollars without insurance and even less with insurance or if the woman qualifies for financial assistance and even less still if obtained from a non-profit such as Planned Parenthood.": http://goldencoathanger.com.... "36,000 children were adopted from the public foster care system in fiscal year 1998. Big disparity between the 115,000-125,000 children waiting to be adopted and the 36,000 that actually were. And this number doesn't even include children that are in foster care but are NOT available for adoption, which is more like half a million according to this site. So again, if abortion is made illegal and that number jumps by 10 times, or even three or four times, who is going to take care of those children?": http://www.city-data.com.... Response Point 5: "In the back alley days of unsafe abortion in America before Roe v. Wade, the estimates of illegal abortions ranged as high as 1.2 million per year,1 although, of course, no accurate records could be kept of illegal procedures.": http://www.prochoice.org.... Here. Now we are even. Drop this point. Even though you can't spot bias in a title. Response Point 6: First of all, I did not say that the mental illness rate would stay the same. I said that is abortion was made illegal, that the mental illness rate from pregnancies would increase. Second of all, you provided no rebuttal to my abortion-breast cancer link rebuttal I made. Response Point 7: What kind of a rebuttal is this? Anyway, as I stated earlier, the plane ticket's price+the abortion's price would be less than having a pregnancy, than putting it up for adoption back at home. Check the prices for the three if you doubt me. Response Point 8: There is no source. I made it. But that is irrelevant. Anyway, if companies aren't hiring, do you think that putting MORE workers on the market will increase hiring? Impossible. That will just increase the unemployment rate dramatically. The 20 million abortions that took place 18 years ago or more (so if the child was not aborted, he or she would be of working age), that would be 20 million more workers (approximately) on the market at this time, which would raise the unemployment rate by 5-8%. Or today's equvalent of a 14-18% unemployment rate. More kids does not equal more people that will be hired if companies are not hiring. That is just simple logic. VOTERS: I suggest making the conduct and S/G points ties and I also suggest that I get the source points because I think that is obvious. And I suggest that you decide the convincing arguments points. But my new arguments should not be forgetten like CAPLlock suggested. Please do not vote based on your beliefs. Please.