Tupac is the greatest rapper of all time

Time for counter arguments which was for the 3rd round not the 2nd which my opponet didnt follow:(bold is his argument)Tupac, on the other hand lived the life. He never denied that he did things about crime. But he also had a lot of emotional pain that he had in him from lack of a father figure, which caused a vicious cycle that drove him to crime. He acknowledges that crime ain't good, and also his song called "Trapped" pretty much sums up everything about Tupac, about his vicious cycle he's trapped. "Sometime 2 die 4", a skit, further talks about it. It's not like Tupac takes pleasure in his acts.This resposne to my minor side comment about tupac being a hypocrite is quite weird. Just because pac acknowldges a flawed system of oppression and to you doesnt "take pleasure in his acts" doesnt really change the fact of the hypocrisy in his music, which tbh was a very minor point that the majority of my case agaisnt tupac being the GOAT did not rely on. DeliveryA lot of the rappers you mentioned are very desperate sounding at times. And you can add Tim Dog. Tupac's was rather natural in every single song he did. As to what you said about Biggie it's close, but Tupac still was superior. That's why his music was more popular than say Biggie Smalls. Tupac's music was more mainstream.Instead of claiming that the rappers I named are desperate sounding and then naming Tim Dog (someone I did not mention, defend, or even lsiten to) as an example, why don't you show me rappers that I named whoch are desperate sounding. Here you also make an argument that is quite irrelevant to anything I said concerning delivery, and the category of delivery itself... You basically rationalive that since:1. Tupac was more popular than biggie2. Tupac is superior to biggieWhich is fasle since popularity is not a merit of skills or a better rapper. If thats the case then people like Jay Z, Eminem, and etc... are better than pac. This is also irrelevant to delivery overalll and to top it off you ended with mentioning pac's msuci being more mainstream as if that were a relevant or valid point to anything let alone relevant/valid point concerning delivery.... Quotables/punchlinesPlenty -- "If my homies call""Brenda Got a Baby""Holla if ya hear me""I get around""Dear mama""F$$k the world" I think your looking at the first part which is quotables and ignoring the 2nd part punchlines which i specifically challenged you saying:"i would love for you to challenge me on that becuase any paac punchline you can name I can name a minimum of 10 punchlines off the top of my head from any of the artist I just listed that is far superior in depth, complexity, , and etc..."None of the songs you named contain this, and pleasedon't just list songs; list the punchliens themsleves. What are the mind blowing punchlines/quotables on I get around and If my homie callls. If anything If my homie callls cotnains one of the worst opening lines and one of the cringiest lines OAT saying:Ever since you was a pee-wee, down by my knee with a wee-weeYou have yet to show me complex, witty, and clever pac punchlines.... Ability to Battle/battle barsThat doesn't mean anything. No battle rapper has ever been considered top nier in rap.If you read what i wrote i considered 3 things as possible factors for this 1. face to face battles, 2. battle/diss records, 3. freestyle capabiltiies. I set the standard and focused on #2 which pac is considered highly for.. You dismiss the entire category (not just the arguemtns) by saying no battle rappers are top tier. Not only is it irrelevant if no battlers are top tier, but it is false since eminem who started off battling in the rap olympics became one of the biggest and consdiered one of the best rappers to ever live. In fact it was eminem who got the battle culture super popualr and running... So yet again no engagmnet in with my arguments in this category except a red herring and a false one at that. OriginalityHe is quite original. He was not cliche at the time of his debut. He rapped about misery, pain, and didn't delve into the feel-good aspects of most hip hop at the time, such as gangsta rap and rapping about beating people.To state his content and commentary about misery and pain from hid debut, as a reason fro his originality is quite laughable since on his debut Words of Wisdom (on of my favcorite pac songs OAT) at the end pac states other rappers and rap acts that have a simialr conscious mission as him lisiting ice Cube, Da lynch Mob, paris, Public Enemy, and KRS ONE. Not only did these rappers rap about the same type of cosncious things as pac on his debut, but they also did on albums released that year or the year before. Pac didnt invent emotional rap music or socially conscious rap music. People that pac acknowledges on his debut such as Public Enemey and KRS ONE did it long before pac. It is also ironic that you say HE was quite poetic. And consistent in his belief, when the things you claimed made him original like avoiding "feel-good aspects of hip hop", gangsta rap, and rapping about beating people, is what he rapped about alot on later albums such as All eyez on me.... Making him not consistent on this. You have even named songs that demonstrate this such as I get around which is like the poster child song for feel-good hip hop. Pac also had alot gangsta songs and gansta personna in his career, jsut look at one of many examples on gangster party. So your argument falls apart completely. You then provide 3 links. One of which is 5 life lessions learned from pac. I wouldn't care if tupac had the wisdom and followed the steps of jesus and gave a sermon on the mount that chnaged the world, it wouldnt make him the best rapper of all time. Some of the points listed were irrelevant to his music and focused more on his life... All of the points if all granted true and etc... would not make him the best rapper alive.... Because its irrelevant to actual rapping. Your next link was an essay about the life of tupac which I needed to pa and be a memebr to read the full thing.. And the last link was an album review for his post-humonous albums and the reviewer rated it a 1.5/5 labelling it "very poor". I feel you are trolling hard lmao. Either way you decided to make counter arguments in your opening argument agaisnt the rules/set up, and in those counter arguemnts you failed to actually counter my arguemnts concernign Delivery, Quotables/Punchlines, Ability to diss/battle, and originality. Using so many logical fallacies it's ridicolious. And you completely ignore my arguments concerning Technical lyrical ability, Flow, Storytelling, and Discography. Not only that but you failed to make your case for why tupac is the greatest rapper of all time, with the exception of half-assed counter arguments which actually ignore my arguments compeltely.