human have the ability to feel agape;(pure love) for another non bloodline related human.

You are quite right sir, but for one small detail. what is being debated is not directly the ability to value another over oneself, But the ability to do so based on agape(deep love). My 2 point approach was to point out that 1. humans are able to value others more than themselves, and 2. animals often do so for a mate. Thus humans being part of the animal kingdom would potentially be able to meet the requirements of Agape. Agape is not simple love, but rather a specific type of Intentional love with very little variation. it requires one to devote their very existence to the focus of the love. This love is neither based on sexual attraction or blood relation, but rather the knowledge of the core of a person(their true nature). This type of love is often in story's portrayed with extreme self sacrifice(giving ones own life), but the self sacrifice means to give at a cost to oneself. A Picture a man or woman exiting a place of low pay employment who then stops and gives some money to a beggar. This is self sacrifice in a less intense sense, But this is more likely based on pity or sympathy than love for the beggar. For later use this person will be called Human A. But let us look at that same scene from the eyes of a close friend of Human A, and this person will be called Human B. For this example human B knows human A down to the core(true self) but is not romantically involved with Human A. A key point to make clear is human B has a healthy self value and need for self preservation and owes nothing to Human A. Lets say both Human A, and B are crossing a street as a speeding car makes a sudden turn into their path. Human A in position to be hit with no time to move out of the way while human B is far enough behind to see the car making the turn with enough time to push Human A out of the way, but will have no time to get out of the way them self. There are 2 clear outcome's here logical self preservation, Or a illogical self sacrifice(injury, and risk of death). I have never seen it myself, but if the latter option were chosen within these conditions the motive would be agape(pure love of the true nature of a thing). This is a rather extreme example of how agape affection may be shown, and a theory of how this affection might be formed. The Human Mind is very logical, but Logic is learned. A few static traits in a healthy human mind worth naming for this debate. 1. The need for self preservation. 2. A high self value, or value of ones life. 3. The ability to value traits of objects, animals, and fellow humans. I myself could not sacrifice myself for any person I have met, But this is due to the lack of value I have for many common traits in society today. Hypothetically if I knew a person who did not have these traits and had traits I feel are of value I would easily be able to sacrifice myself for that person if there were a situation with no other option. But this hardly proves my case. If are you claiming it is irrational to protect, and support something you deeply love I must disagree, but I will agree that deep love is irrational in the sense that many people feel deep affection for people that treat them poorly, or do not feel affection for those that treat them well. In closing I can not make this clear enough agape is not a sexual lust it is a affection, respect, and devotion for the true nature of something. In a human this would not only be the way they think, but the reasons why they think as they do. This does not require a romantic relationship, and is a unconditional affection as it is based on the core aspects of the focus which are unchangeable. I used the statement "the complexity of the human mind and the frailty of the human body" to explain the risk of placing another human above oneself. The complexity of the human mind allows for unexpected betrayal which would cause great emotional pain for one who has placed such great value on the betrayer. while the frailty of the human body is to show the risk of losing those focus of ones dedication due to injury or illness again leaving the the dedicated in immense emotional pain. The fear attached to these risks add to the rarity of agape in human to human relationships, but fear does not easily dissuade all humans. Idea's are never random, but many choose to not disclose, or are not aware of the source of many of their own strange ideas.