God (Yahweh) Is Immoral Based On The Book Of Job

How to define morality? You are absolutely right that a lot of places in the world infringe on human rights. Sadly everyone can be corrupted. There are quite a few people who sadly, still act like animals. ~ "If you visciously punish the "immoral", it will keep their version of morality in place in their view." I would say that this is absolutely what a lot of people in power love to do. When you break it down, they say, "This is "moral". Obey." You get a sense of what they want there. They don't want you to question their morality. They only want you to "obey" and by definition obeying is the good side of morality. The problem with this is if you accept by definition something is moral, you cannot prove that it is moral. This is what the Euthyphro dilemma is all about. It asks the question: "Is what is morally good commanded by God because it is morally good, or is it morally good because it is commanded by God?" If Yahweh told you that he wanted you to murder every unbeliever you came across, would you do it? Because if it comes from "god" it must be moral right? A. If your answer is yes, then you are just like the extremists in Isis, who you condemn. B. If your answer is no, then you are questioning the authority of "god" to determine what is moral or immoral. Video for you: ~ Of course, there is a way out of this yes or no question, which is simply, "My "god (Yahweh)" wouldn't do that." But then that is you who are judging "god" on your own morality. You say he wouldn't make you kill someone, because you define your morality against it. But you say you can't judge an omniscient being. Yet you are. ~ "He hasn't told me to kill you, thus it's okay." Then you go back to agreeing with A. (the extremists), who kill because their "god" commanded it. Questions Con must answer: How can you judge the extremists with your morality? They are only following what "god" says to them. Wouldn't you be willing to kill for your "god" if he told you to? After all, he's the authority of moral code. ~ "No, I won't kill even if "god" told me to do it." Ta da. You are now making your own moral code. How do you make your own moral code? I've heard a lot of "Christians" ask, "If there is no "god" is murder, or rape wrong?" This quite honestly, scares me. Because what they are implying is if they didn't think I had a supernatural Daddy to say, "I'm going to torment you forever if you murder or rape." they would murder and rape people. That's just sad and I'll explain why. Because, if this is a question to you, you don't have empathy yet. You are still a child who wants does anything you want, regardless of others, but only doesn't because your parents will punish you if you do so. Most humans once growing to an adult begins to realize they are not the center of the universe. Others have thoughts and feelings, just as you do. You begin to have the emotion known as empathy. Caring for the other. ~ You talk about Navy Seals. Basically condoning putting them though "pure hell" to prepare them for battle. There are a few things that are differ from the Job story. A. Soldiers choose to go to war. Job did not choose to have his family slaughtered. B. The military doesn't kill soldier's families. Illogical comparison already. But we'll see if we can make it work. Working for something is completely different than being punished for something that you didn't do. If the Army killed a soldier's family to put him though a "test" then they would be absolutely wrong. Much like my statement with the boss doing that to the employee. In fact, that's almost my exact scenario except change it to suit the army. Questions Con Must answer? If the Army murdered a soldier's family to put him though a test would they be: right or wrong? Why? ~ "It becomes a logical fallacy to judge an omniscient being." Basically because he's "god". Or to put it bluntly, because... "REASONS". That's not an answer. You're saying, "We can't judge someone we don't understand because we don't understand." I contend that we do understand, we just don't agree. Yahweh wanted to torture Job even when he obeyed him. Why did he do this? To make sure Job still feared him. When Job begins to use his mind and question if what Yahweh is doing is right or wrong, Yahweh immediately states that he is morality by definition, because he is so powerful you can not judge him. That is exactly what extremist groups believe. Don't question if this is right or wrong. Only, obey. ~ Question's answered: 1. What is morality? It's empathy. Caring for the other. The Golden Rule. A. One should treat others as one would like others to treat oneself. B. One should not treat others in ways that one would not like to be treated. C. What you wish upon others, you wish upon yourself. How did we get this golden rule? After all, if we evolved and our only goal was to further our genes then we should all rape and kill each other! Right? Wrong. Society evolved over time, realizing that if we work together then we have a better chance at surviving. Thus empathy evolved the basic idea, "I don't kill you, you don't kill me and we both live." That goes for rape, stealing and everything else. If I don't like it, they probably wouldn't either. 2. What is it based on? Evolution. We are all trying to survive, thus the better we socially interact the better our chances are for survival. Oh and by the way, Evolution is not a "religion" it's just common sense. I can get along better with you, if I don't hit you over the head and take your stuff. 3. Why should we adhere to this definition? Because it makes sense. If you went out and started killing everyone and raping everyone, then that would be irrational. Because you wouldn't like it if someone killed you or raped you? Right? Plus, you have a better chance of surviving if you don't do that, because others would undoubtedly stop you because you were acting like a crazy person. It all goes back to empathy. Video for you: Questions Con must answer: Do you care for other people? Or do you just not want to be tormented forever? ~ Even if Yahweh knew the future, (Which why would he ask the questions of where the Devil was if he already knew? Is God just going though the motions of being not omniscient? If so, why?) how does it make it just to murder people and torture someone just because you know he'd make it though your persecution? Question Con must answer: If I'm a doctor and I want to conduct an experiment of how well a soldier can withstand torture and push him to his very limit, but don't kill him, is that moral? ~ You start talking about Jesus Christ, which is not what we were discussing. Also it's kind of silly because it's trying to distract us from the point of: is Yahweh immoral? It's an attempt to say this: "Jesus saved us and taught a much more liberal message of love and stuff, so don't pay attention to his father, cause Jesus loves us!" Yahweh forced Jesus to be tortured and die. This is fact if you look at the text. Luke 22:42 "Saying, Father, if you are willing, remove this cup from me. Nevertheless, not my will, but yours, be done." To put it into understandable English, "Dad, have you thought this through? They are going to torture and kill me. I don't really want to get tortured or killed. I know you'll resurrect me but still being tortured and killed is kind of a lot to ask. But if this is asking too much, that's fine, I'll do it." Jesus didn't want to be crucified. Just like everyone else. But he just followed Yahweh because he was completely indoctrinated. Yahweh makes up the rules and by definition they are good. ~ Yahweh had to hit the redo button several times on saving humanity, so I'm not sure how much he sees into the future. Mainly because he doesn't exist. He is just a means for evil people to hold power.