Darth Vader did not deserve redemption.

On Palpatine: His little bit of light stopped him from killing the Sith? How does that make sense? Vader did not HAVE to follow Palpatine. If he did then how would you explain Vader being able to 'kill' the Emperor? He chose to. He knew full well what he was doing and why. While there may not be specific references, or at least, none I know of yet, its very probable Vader sat in on Palpatine torturing sentients. It is known that Vader tortured many, and Palpatine sat in on those sessions. So both Vader and Sideous where aware that what they were doing was harmful. Yes, Palpatine was a good manipulator. He manipulated Dooku, the Republic, and the Confederacy, but all of them lacked something that Vader did not: the whole story. Palpatine used Dooku to get Anakin, he told the Republic that the Jedi had scared him when it was his own powers, he told the Confederacy that he would lead them to victory. None of these where his actual intentions. But getting Vader, killing the Jedi, and transforming the Republic were his main goals. Goals that Vader was in on 100%. There was no deception with Vader. I expect that if Anakin hadn't killed Padme he would have done all within his power to save her, but because she died he thought it just as well. Which brings me to my next point. On Good Intentions: It doesn't matter whether he thought what he was doing was right, but what he did. He may have thought killing the Jedi order would save Padme. He may have thought killing in cold blood would establish peace. He may have thought that turning towards the dark side, something he was taught his ENTIRE LIFE was bad, could be used for the greater good. But None of these reasons are satisfactory excuses for what he DID. The Jedi order died to save 1 girl who ended up being murdered by Vader. Destroying the Jedi and Confederacy only caused more problems galaxy wide. And he only continued to use the dark side for the only purpose it has ever served, being torture and death. He did the wrong things for the wrong reasons. Bad in every respect. On Padme: Even if his intention to save Padme was good, she should not have been a factor at all. A true Jedi is selfless, a servant only to the force and nothing else. By loving and marring her he broke his ties to the Jedi Order even before the Clone Wars, just no one recognized it. He did not get special permission to mate because humans do not need it. But for dying species, like Ki-Adi-Mundi's kind (Cerean) it was allowed to continue the species. If Anakin had been a real Jedi, he would have heeded Yoda's words and let her die and become one with the Force, the Highest honor anyone could hope for. On The Chosen one: Kenobi made a very point about the prophecy of the chosen one. It never says that he has to be a Jedi. All it says is that the Chosen one will bring balance to the Force. If he was the chosen one (and he was, as Quoted from Lucas) he did not achieve the prophecy as a Jedi, but a full fledged Sith. Killing Palpatine did not make him a Jedi, it only meant he carried out his part. It could even be said that he did not fulfill the prophecy at all, seeing as how Palpatine, the Sith order, and Empire lived on. On The Empire's Defeat: Yes, the Empire was not destroyed. If it will be, then it will be Cade Skywalker, not Anakin or Luke, who does it. If Vader had survived he would have continued his reign of evil, as you said, which still would bring him no closer to the light. In Conclusion, all of Vader's actions, after his swearing to be a Sith, were those of a Sith. The prophecy never stated that he had to be a Jedi, and he was not. Nor should his futil action that in reality did NOTHING be considered a redeeming one. He lived as Sith and should have died as Sith. He committed to many acts of hate (torture and murder being the most extreme and frequent) for too long for one act of throwing a clone body into a pit to save him. Vader, like any other Sith, did not deserve redemption. I'll remind the voters that this is a 'what if' scenario. The fact that Vader was redeemed is not a factor in your voting, but whether Scyrone or myself proved that he should or should not have been, respectively. This was rather fun, and I intend to continue these. But know that most if not all of them will contain facts taken from the EU, so just movie knowledge will not suffice. Darth_Grievous_42 out.