Border fence

The border fence we will discuss is the one that is being built and as been built in some areas. 1 sheet of metal, woo poles, metal on the other side. This fence pertains to America. This is a fence alone, border patrol are not going to be in this debate. Nor is surveillance. The second version of the wall is just thick metal poles. C1: Hurts the environment. I don't see much of a need to care about this but many people care about it. (for personal protection no government mandates) A study published in this month's edition of Biological Conservation warns that the black bear population just north of the border in Arizona may be threatened by the increasingly impermeable barriers at the border. Also fragmenting the bear habitat are the growing urban sprawl in southern Arizona and the expanding highway systems that slice through rugged terrain, the study found. [1] It hurts black bears, and their niches which they share with other animals, in turn hurting a lot. :( Researchers used hair snags — pieces of barbed wire set up near bait to catch genetic samples of foraging bears — to track various bear populations in Arizona. They found significant genetic disparities between black bears in the east-central part of the state and the subpopulation just north of the border. The border bears, the study said, were more closely related to bears found in northern Mexico. [1] That is proof that they cross the border, and that it affects them. Walls have caused environmental destruction, fragmenting crucial habitat for animals, including endangered species, funneling migrants and Border Patrol enforcement activities through fragile ecosystems, and triggering large-scale erosion. [3] C2: Cost We are in 15 trillion dollars in debt, if you don't believe that I will show a source. Gov. Rick Perry of Texas, claiming superior experience as the leader of the state with 1,200 miles of the border, advocated a more complex strategy, combining fencing and surveillance technology with "a lot of boots on the ground." Mr. Perry said that building a border-length fence would take "10 to 15 years and $30 billion" and would not be cost-effective. [2] Based on what studies do exist, the analysts say that building and maintaining a fence through the remote or hostile terrain along the border would run into billions of dollars, with no documented impact on diminishing illegal crossings. [2] that ineffectiveness goes with my next contention. So far border authorities have built 650 miles of hard fence along the southwest border, including about 299 miles of vehicle barriers. In 2009, the Congressional Search Service reported that the Department of Homeland Security had spent roughly up to $21 million per mile to build a primary fence near San Diego. The cost had ballooned as the fence extended into hills and gullies along the line. [2] It costs a lot...21 MILLION $ PER MILE!!!!! The same year, Customs and Border Protection estimated costs of building an additional 3.5 miles of fence near San Diego at $16 million per mile. Even this lower figure would yield a rough projection of $22.4 billion for a single fence across the 1,400 miles remaining today. [2] perry says 30 billion, they say 22.4, who knows. But extra spending is not needed. These estimates do not include the costs of acquiring land, nor the expense of maintaining a fence that is exposed to constant efforts by illegal crossers to bore through it or under it or to bring it down. In March, Customs and Border Protection estimated it would cost $6.5 billion "to deploy, operate and maintain" the existing border fencing over an expected maximum lifetime of 20 years. The agency reported repairing 4,037 breaches in 2010 alone. [2] So ignore the border patrol extra cost, but do remember the buying of land part. C3: Ineffective. The border wall is one of the most ineffective projects that the United States has undertaken. It utterly fails to stop undocumented migrants or smugglers - an estimated 97% of people who try to cross the U.S.-Mexico border eventually succeed at entering the country. [3] Also the show Penn and Teller BS proved it ineffective, that video will be posted next round. The planned 670-mile fence along the US border with Mexico has proven remarkably ineffective at deterring or stopping illegal crossers to the United States, advocates and critics of the fence admit. [4] And, where the 600 miles of fencing are already up, along the borders of California, Arizona and New Mexico, "smugglers and illegal immigrants continue to breach the fencing that is up, forcing Border Patrol agents and contractors to return again and again for repairs," the Wall Street Journal [4] But a May report by Congress' research service found a "strong indication" that crossers had simply found new routes. Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano once famously quipped that a 50-foot barrier would simply spur the invention of a 51-foot ladder. [4] and the show penn and teller BS proved you can dig under it, climb it with or without latters, and even with a sledge hammer go through it...in 3 minutes. Staunch advocates of the fence admit that it doesn't stop illegal crossings. "It's not the whole fix, not even most of the fix," Steven Camarota, research director at the Center for Immigration Studies, told the Journal. [4] C4: hurts people. Instead of halting people at the border, walls have redirected desperate migrants toward perilous desert routes, leading to the tragic deaths of thousands of men, women, and children. [3] Also border fence workers have been killed by falling etc. And illegals get shot. The FBI is investigating a deadly shooting at the U.S.-Mexico border between U.S. Customs and Border Protection agents and a man trying to enter into the U.S. illegally. [5] The suspect, who was shot and killed Tuesday night near San Ysidro Port of Entry, was throwing rocks at the agents when he was shot and killed officials said. [5] So one may argue self defense but one should only use lethal force if dying is an option for them. Ex: someone hits me in the arm at school, is it acceptable to kill him? no. Also the agents could have used tazers that shoot or pepper spray to get them to stop. Their even trained not to kill unless they might or will be killed. C5: might make the Mexicans mad: The Mexican president said this: "It is deplorable to go ahead with this decision of the wall at the border...The wall will not solve any problem. Humanity made a huge mistake by building the Berlin Wall and I believe that today the United States is committing a grave error in building the wall on our border. It is much more useful to solve common problems and foster prosperity in both countries." So it may not make them but it sure won't help. I will end this with a quote: Rick Perry, the Republican Governor of Texas, was quoted in an Aug. 28, 2007 Reuters article titled "Texas Gov Says U.S. Needs Migrants, Not Border Wall": "We need those individuals to continue to grow our economy... If you show up illegally, without your card or you're here as a criminal element, I'm for throwing the book at those folks, but the issue of people who want to legally, thoughtfully and appropriately come to America to work and help us build our economy -- we should quickly come up with a program and an identification card to do that... We know how to deal with border security, and you don't do it by building a fence." sources: http://www.nytimes.com... [1] http://www.nytimes.com... [2] http://www.no-border-wall.com... [3] http://rawstory.com... [4] http://www.nbcsandiego.com... [5] Rick perry