LM Classic Puck vs. Ragnar Rahl

"The invulnerability isn't an attribute of the hive, but an attribute of the city, conferred only when the hive becomes part of the city." Agreed it's not inherent of the hive elsewhere, but it is definitely an attribute of it once it becomes a building of New York. "If anyone has bureaucratic powers, I'm sure they could change the legal city limits :)." No doubt. :) ""15) Teleporting out of NYC is prohibited." Am I missing a rule, or is all travel considered teleportation?" 8) All battles shall take place in an indestructible version of New York City. Leaving the fighting area constitutes as defeat. More in reference of that rule as such a rule would naturally precede any consequence attributed after the issue of having left, and would be moot. As such your building for the entirety of the battle retains an unlimited ability. "You really think Terry Goodkind would permit much editorship other than spell check? I know Ayn Rand wouldn't, and guess who Terry looks up to. Book 8 specifically describes how the primary reason the protagonists aren't being watched all the time is that there are so many minds to sort through and Jagang doesn't know which to start with-- it does not that he can't grab those minds without first being informed of them, which would be a simpler explanation if it were true." I know I don't know him, his mind, nor his publisher, editor, initial script, changes etc., so basing hypothetical on the manner of his text preferences seems unwarranted. Maybe in 10 years he can do an anniversary edition and we'll see, assuming its popularity still warrants it (as an aside I would have thought sorting wouldn't be an issue if instantaneous holds true in his world). Naturally he knows of the main protagonists, that information wouldn't be hard to obtain in the least. "Probably true. But that just makes his task more difficult. It's more difficult to lift 75 pounds than 50, but I can still do it in a pinch :)." Which still assumes the same basic properties, in that example mass, and to apply it to the scenario, would indicate nothing more than magical strength, not variance. Not to mention such an argument by necessity would have to make a baseless assumption on what limit his ability is still viable, i.e. when is/isn't the property of difference too much. "Wizard's fire does not burn pillars of creation, and Jagang's ability does not apply to them. It is therefore a direct magic effect upon the user's mind (Wizard's fire presumably serves as a direct substitute for oxidation, altering the molecules without waiting for the chemical reaction to take place? Or something analogous, but it sure as heck can't be put out like normal fires)" One would not expect fire to burn stone, and presumably the ability 'magic' is the fuel for which the fire burns, so expecting water, for instance, to apply without designating the source for extinction fits too - much like watering flames has no impact, it's controlling the source, the fuel of a fire that counts. "with no intermediary insertion of a physical nature, such as when Zeddicus killed a Pillar of Creation by using his magic to destroy the floor and create shrapnel. So no, no "physical component." Presumably Jagang's intent and perception is translated into magic for the purpose. Therefore,no possibility to fight it off physically." From memory, Zeddicus' magic is additive, it changes the essential nature of a thing, which would by necessity require physical interaction on some level between the magic and the constituent changing particles. Simply because he himself is not touching it, much like Jagang doesn't have to literally touch a person, does not preclude a physical component. "How would it result in that when the control is instantaneous? No time in which to battle for control. You can't "use your ability thus it has been used" because you are limited by time. Jagang is not, therefore he can use it and thus it is used, nothing to fight." Again it is in essence saying I have used my ability successfully therefore it is successfully used - instantaneous would assume no barrier between Jagang's will and the act - Sinister does not like his (the teams) mind(s) being controlled, and it is his will that opposes the instantaneously. == Regards, Puck.