mass murder weopons should be banned by statute

"the constitutiaonality is not clear of this issue... so i'm not going to debate it. for various interpretations by const scholars, which shows the variability," The way I see it, it says "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.". The right of the people to bear arms. Nowhere do I read "The right of the people to bear arms that are not fully automatic", so I think this includes the right to bear fully automatic arms, with the proper permit required. "if it's not a ocnstituaoinal right, then taking ak's machine guns etc isn't being unconstitutional, and that argument doesn't matter. besides, instead of tehnical legal arguments policy argments are better so the const argument is weak either way you cut it. " I just explained myself above. However, I would like to point out that this was very hard for me to understand because of grammar/spelling errors. Please do not take this as a personal attack, but rather as a pointer. "you never respondedto the idea that AKs etc don't save people in defense." What is there to respond to? Your right. If someone draws an AK47 on you, and you were stupid enough not to see it before they pulled it out, then there is really nothing you can do even if you have one too. Why, though, is an AK47 any different then a handgun? If someone draws a handgun on you, even if you do have an AK47 or the like, you are in trouble. Just because the AK47 shoots faster does not mean it is better for killing people, as I said in my last argument. If you wear an AK47 on your back everywhere you go, and someone in some dark alley puts a pistol to your head, your the one in trouble. Even if that pistol is only 22 caliber, you are still the one in danger. If you move to pull your gun out, you will find a bullet through your head very shortly. The only place an AK47 would be more affective then a handgun, then, is in a crowded place. How, though, would you hide an AK47 with hundreds of people around you? IT WOULD BE IMPOSSIBLE. You would never get a gun that size far enough into a public place to do any damage, because you would have the cops on you before you came anywhere close to a crowded place. "it's simply common sense that if someone has an AK instead of a pistol, they'll do more damage. so your main point is baseless. even if there's many people dead when a pistol is used, as you said, that only means more would be dead with a machine gun etc." Do more damage to your corpse, maybe. A tank will kill you no deader (if you will) then a hand gun will, it is simply a matter of how quickly you die, and how messy you are after you are dead. If the first bullet is placed well, you will die. One bullet is all you need, and a murderer will generally try to make the least amount noise while doing something like murder. You say there would be more people dead when a machine gun is used? Your right. Good luck getting it into a place where there is more then five people. Someone is going to see that you are carrying a gun that size, and someone is bound to get concerned and call the cops. "so... i agree guns don't kill people but people do... that doesn't mean we should allow machineguns etc. the reason we shouldn't.... is because people kill people. i never said that guns do, you put that in my mouth. an AK makes it much more potent, and spreads it." I was not putting that in your mouth, I was simply making a point. I was saying that guns don't kill people, and in reality no gun will kill you deader (if you will... sorry, it's getting old, but I don't know how else to word it...) then another, so AK47's should not be outlawed. If it is killing lots of people quickly that counts, then I think we should outlaw cars, because they can kill a lot of people in short order too. While we're at it, we should probably outlaw skyscrapers and planes too, I mean, look what they did to us on 9/11? If that wasn't mass murder, I don't know what is. Your argument that they kill people faster and in bigger quantities is no good then, and that pretty much makes YOUR whole argument baseless. Thanks, Renzzy