LM Classic: Logical-Master vs Mongoose

Opponent's rebuttal to Strategy #1 | ======================= 1) My opponent argues that since there are only rats in the city, there isn't much force energy, except by the amount found in the rats as well as the contestants. In response to this: a) If that be the case, prove that the force energy found in ALL the rats in the city wouldn't be sufficient for Revan to perform any of the feats which I've claimed. Burden of proof belongs to those who make a claim. b) This argument is bringing my opponent into more trouble than he can possible imagine for this debate as it is concluding that nothing out of New York City exist or can possible be used during this battle. Obviously, nothing in the official rules stipulate this (hence reason enough to dismiss it), but even if I were to pacify my opponent and agree to this, he'd have to admit defeat for his team granted that we'd have to conclude that the rest of the earth didn't exist (meaning NYC was just a floating city in an empty void), that there is no oxygen, no sun, etc. Such a state of existence would automatically deprive nearly everyone in this debate of life Sora, since the keyblade has demonstrated itself as having the ability to allow Sora to adapt/exist in any environment he is present in. Whether it be breathing under the sea in the Little Mermaid's world or battling entities in the void of space or even becoming a lion just to fulfill the rules of the world of the Lion King, the keyblade's magic insures Sora's protection (heck, his first fight was surviving the destruction of his own world in Kingdom Hearts 1). Hence, if we are to follow my opponents argument, he is essentially giving me the win since Sora would be the only one to survive (possibly Amazo if Sora allowed him to copy his powers in time). 2a) My opponent claims that he sees no reason for the keyblade to kill ganondorf since there is no mention of the keybade having the power to repel evil. However, he is quite mistaken as darkness and evil are one in the same (at least by Kingdom hearts standards). I specifically stated that the keyblade can repel those who are of darkness. In Kingdom Hearts, these kinds of beings are called "Heartless." http://kingdomhearts.wikia.com... Specifically, those who hearts are consumed by darkness. As I've already insisted, Ganon's heart is consumed by darkness; he is the epitome of darkness in the Legend of Zelda universe. On the same page he cites, you'll notice that it is stated that the keyblade is very effective against both heartless and nobodies. Since Ganon possesses the same properties as these beings which are called heartless, the keyblade can effectively slay him. Pure and simple. b) There is no such rule claiming that teleporting out of the city is not allowed. The final list of rules confirm this. At best, we have this comment made by Logical-Master:http://www.debate.org... In it, it states that he is leaning towards no. However, you'll notice that never actually declares that this tactic is not allowed. The purpose of my tactic here would be to force other contestants to leave the arena via teleportation, hence cause them to break the rules, hence cause them to be disqualified. c) Granted, I understand that some judges may wish to adhere to the mindset that this tactic is not allowed. This is completely understandable, hence I shall provide an extra means of defeating ganondorf: While Amazo is battling Ganon (and again, keep in mind that this would be an extremely simple task since he'd have ganondorf's powers as well merely after looking at him), Batman walks up to him and uses his knockout gas: http://members.fortunecity.com... (just hit control F and type in knockout)(this list is not the most up to date list in terms of Batman's gadgets, but it shall do). Since the rules stipulate that knocking an opponent out is all that is necessary for victory over them, Ganondorf is through. And since I see nothing which indicates that Ganondorf is by any means immune to this, I see no problem with this method. 3) CON states Master Hand could just hide in the ground and shoot lasers. First, I'd like for him to show some proof that Master hand can do both at the same time. I see no reason to believe so. Second, Sora could just cast magnet ( http://kingdomhearts.wikia.com... ) to force Master hand to come up from the ground and into the area of space where the magnet field was created and then proceed to finish him off as I've already described. I would also like to point out that Spider-man's spider sense and superhuman reflexes would enable him to dodge the lasers quite easily ( http://img156.imageshack.us... ) and that Sora can easily deflect lasers (6:44 in first video on the right): http://www.youtube.com... 4a) My opponent states that Apocolypse could teleport away from the thought bomb Revan creates. If Apocolypse is indeed quick enough to do this, than the solution is rather simple: Revan simply subdues Apocolypse in the manner I previously listed (Force Plague or Torture by Chagrin). Once more, Apocalypse would be on the verge of insanity or in too poor of mental state to do anything. After successfully subduing him, he then proceeds with the thought bomb strategy. 4b) See what I have to say regarding teleportation. OPPONENT's STRATEGIES I've seen Video one. In fact, I very much anticipated it. The fact of the matter is that K wouldn't even have the opportunity to do this as he would be force choked before he could do anything about it. In a contest of speed, a skilled force wielder beats an ordinary human any day of the week. We know this given that we see them deflecting lasers via blaster bolts on a regular basis and know that they can just as easily use force speed to speed themselves and their perceptions of time up to super human levels. Watch 0:59 on the second video to the right: http://www.youtube.com... Notice how time appears to be slowed down and the jedi's movements appear to be much faster than normal. Furthermore, I'd like to point out that this memory erasing business would result in everyone on my opponent's team other than K and Master Hand as having lost their memories. 2. Resists a high tech military's mind control machine for 26 hours and with help comes up with a plan to break free http://img18.imagevenue.com... http://img142.imagevenue.com... http://img43.imagevenue.com... http://img12.imagevenue.com... He is able to keep Martian Manhunter's brother out of his mind (JLA Classified #45) http://img339.imageshack.us... http://img228.imageshack.us... http://img339.imageshack.us... PLENTY more instances of similar feats can be shown here: http://agent0x7.tripod.com... Point being: Batman's willpower makes him HIGHLY resistant to mind control. Thus, there is ample reason to disregard the idea that Ganondorf would be successful in controlling Batman. As for the other members of my team members, we must keep in mind that I have one of the greatest force wielders of all time on my team as well as someone who can duplicate his power. Either of who could easily monitor my other teammate's minds while fighting and intervene with any attempts at mind control. Thus, it would also be in CON's best interest to prove that Ganon's powers would be greater than the very power that binds the galaxy together (which Revan is state to be the heart of). 3. See above. Also, Spider-Man can easily dodge sniper rifle fire. 4. Upon having his mind invaded by Revan, he'd be harmless