Ironman vs Batman

Let us look to the refutation of Pros arguments and build up the case for Batman a little further. This will show that iron man would fail in battle against batman. The sides for Iron man and Batman have both agreed that sources can be drawn from comics, movies, and shows alike. This seems fair enough and I ask that we keep this in mind as we proceed. Killing and gun use: Pro claims that I contradict but I very clearly gave links to original comic panels displaying batman both killing and holding and using a handgun. ( I also noted that he has killed by name, Dracula) Unless he makes a new argument, we can not let ignoring my sources a winning point. Suitcase suit: These have been proven to be weaker and if you were poisoned or killed in your sleep it would not make a difference. As a master of stealth alarm systems would be useless. Rage: Pro gives counter evidence of a scenario where Batman killed joker. Yet would it not be A.proof he is lethal? B.proof he has killed? and C. Pro will will have to show how breaking an oath makes his combat lesser. (we are debating a battle, not morality/integrity) Large note on Captain American battle? : Not sure what Pro is trying to establish, I suppose it was luck in a fight with captain america but we are note discussing that and even if Iron man and Captain america were synonymous we still see Batman winning according to the comics. Battlefield: Batman has a definitive advantage here. I have no idea where the element of surprise and first strike is not a benefit. Furthermore, batman is not just "revealed" he can sink back into the shadows. Finally, as to being killed with missles or ect. I have given examples such as the smoke grenades, darkness, and sonic bat storm as to why targeting would not work. Technology: Let us look to a key argument, the targeting system. We agreed to go off sources but all the Pro has said is that we should assume he has thermal or night vision. He needs to provide a source or why can I not assume Bruce Wayne to have an emp (he does make military weapons). Even if he did have thermal/night vision I gave examples of how the sonic bat storm would create enough heat signatures to blind him and smoke grenades defeat night vision. Then we look to suit comparison, Pro suggests if Batman had fought the same villains.... that is not the topic. It is a fight against iron man and Kevlar can stop bullets. Refutation on Bat Weaponry: A.Batarangs have proven to stick into metal and it is the explosive and cryogenic charges that deal the damage. Also, if vital joints we hit the suit would become useless. B. The helmet is for a visual displays but Pro yet again says that it is stupid to assume there is no filter but we need a source. If pro can just claim that Stark would think of it there is an equally endless supply of assumptions I could make that Wayne would possess ex. EMP, large magnet , corrosive acid, seeker missiles, and why could he not possess weapons like the freeze ray and freeze the suit systems. (because assumptions are untrue and unfair) C. Pro missed my point here, the bats make a shield that would blind targeting,sight, lock-ons, and heartbeat detection as well as thermals and night vision. D. Increases mobility and could make a distraction. E. Tracking systems have already proven to be faulty. F. The blades stick into joker and the metal cabinet when first shot. (the case covering iron mans life supply is only glass. G. I will give a linked source backing these facts, and Pro obviously ignored my first links which display batman manning a machine gun and wielding a pistol on the original detective comics. (comicvine.com) H.The bat jet ....... Pro stated "While Ironman has had suit damage in the past from TANKS, JETS and Ironmonger," so I would assume what a jet could do is damage the suit just like you suggested it has in the past. I. the batmobile could be destroyed but with remote controls it makes a mulit-point strike along side the jet and batman. Next Pro tries to trivialize all of batman's villains but he has also battled Dracula,darksied, brainiac, and more. So who does iron man fight? middle east terrorist, or maybe the Mandarin, ( a dragon wizard with no real weapons) and all other suit based villains are weaker knock off of his tech. So in conclusion we look to the final pro comment where he suggest Iron man is smarter by backing it with evidence than Iron man made mistakes that led to an almost doomed world. The link here is abundantly silly. We see that unless Iron man's side can make up better logic than "he is smart, he would have thought of that" then we have to look to cited facts and vote for batman. I await the next round and ask everyone to remember, The dark knight is the hero that Gotham deserves and the hero that deserves your vote.