Christian and being Gay

I will start with this: Some of your last round that you spent describing the Bible was interesting, but orthogonal to the issue at hand. So, please don't mind if I ignore it in my response. –Freeman. It maybe orthogonal to the issue at hand but it still plays an important part in this debate. For instance, the Scriptures to which we have quoted are found in some of the areas in which I describe. Plus, it looks to me; the only reason why you didn't respond to it was maybe the possibility to you might be wrong. For instance, what if there is a fact in your statement that I can't prove wrong, I think I would just find it interesting and choose to ignore it too. You choosing to ignore hard facts that I presented in the last round (which was the basis of my argument) is highly suspicious and interesting to a person such as you. Second, "Christianity is spurious and has no evidence to support its key metaphysical claims." I'm not here to ask how the earth began or anything like that. I'm here for your opinion on being gay and a Christian. It has very little relevance to this discussion. Thirdly, "You may wish to claim that the Christians who engage in this behavior aren't following the Bible. But deep down you know that that isn't true." -Freeman. Please, don't tell me what I think and what I know. It may be you who you are referring too and not me. You don't know me. Almost anything can be used for bad or good. The Government, for instance, licenses people to drive but not to live. Anyone can be just as dangerous behind the wheel as a drunk is. What matters is not what it can do, but what our intentions to do with it. The Bible can also bring out the best in people; it all depends on how you view it, see it, take it, and respond to it. No one likes to be wrong, but sometimes, we all have to be wrong at something. P.S. Pat Robertson is an idiot. I hope people don't see Christians as people like him. I'm in understanding with you in this area! Fourthly, "The fact that the Bible is old and has survived does not make it credible. The Iliad is even older than the Bible; perhaps you should consider converting to paganism." First, I never said the Bible was credible. Again, you're putting words in my mouth. But the fact that it has survived hundreds of years I think should be taken into account and should be taken seriously. Second, the Iliad has nothing to do with the Bible, even if it's the oldest religion.* and finally, "Unless you have any arguments in favor of the Bibles veracity that aren't fallacious." –Freeman. Please, you don't believe or accept the possibility of any belief. You will probably consider hard evidence or any evidence supporting the Bible fallacious. You see what you choose to see. And if I gave hard-evidence you would probably believe them to ridiculous and implausible which makes it almost correct that your points remain standing, in your own eyes though. And in your last statement, you do not deny the fact that you had facts which had holes. In other words, some of your facts were really fiction. Though, since I brought it up, you'll probably respond now. Fifthly, I agree that stubborn, rebellious, glutton, and drunken children do not deserve to be stoned or killed. I wasn't saying that but I didn't put that into my text. Sixthly, "Jesus counter-argument all of this and that these rituals, sacrifices, etc. were to stop." "I would appreciate it if you show me the passage you are referring to. Jesus also said that every aspect of the law must be followed." Well, Heb. 9: 26. "Then Christ would have had to suffer many times since the creation of the world. But now he has appeared once for all at the end of the ages to do away with sin by the sacrifice of himself." Heb. 10:1-18. "The law is only a shadow of the good things that are coming—not the realities themselves. For this reason it can never, by the same sacrifices repeated endlessly year after year, make perfect those who draw near to worship. 2. If it could, would they not have stopped being offered? For the worshipers would have been cleansed once for all, and would no longer have felt guilty for their sins. 3. But those sacrifices are an annual reminder of sins, 4. Because it is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins. 5. Therefore, when Christ came into the world, he said: "Sacrifice and offering you did not desire, But a body you prepared for me; 6. with burnt offerings and sin offerings You were not pleased. 7. Then I said, 'Here I am—it is written about me in the scroll— I have come to do your will, O God. 8. First he said, "Sacrifices and offerings, burnt offerings and sin offerings you did not desire, nor were you pleased with them" (although the law required them to be made). 9. Then he said, "Here I am, I have come to do your will." He sets aside the first to establish the second. 10. And by that will, we have been made holy through the sacrifice of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. 11. Day after day every priest stands and performs his religious duties; again and again he offers the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins. 12. But when this priest had offered for all time one sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God. 13. Since that time he waits for his enemies to be made his footstool, 14because by one sacrifice he has made perfect forever those who are being made holy. 15. The Holy Spirit also testifies to us about this. First he says: 16. This is the covenant I will make with them After that time, says the Lord. I will put my laws in their hearts, And I will write them on their minds. 17. Then he adds: Their sins and lawless acts I will remember no more. 18. And where these have been forgiven, there is no longer any sacrifice for sin." ** I think that summed it up. If not, try: Matt. 22:15-22. *** Luke. 20:22-25.**** Mark. 12:17.**** Mark. 12:30-34. Luke. 20:25. Matt. 22:34-40. Seventhly, "Unless one has good reasons to believe that something is true one should not believe it. And this method of logic would apply equally to Christianity, because no Christian has good evidence that would vindicate the main core of their beliefs." Neither does any other religion. Nor science. Nor anyone alive. And besides, Christianity itself has different core beliefs. Catholicism is different from Pentecostalism. Baptist is different form Methodist. There are different core beliefs and you didn't specifically say which. Plus, no matter what point of view; Christian, science, religion, paganism, and each human, no matter what, we will never have physical evidence on such things like how the world began. Only our belief, faith, and hope are what we have. Science has made good cases, but they have been susceptible and no matter what, everyone will not have the same answer as to, for instance, how the earth began because each group's evidence comes to the same core: unknown, belief and no evidence. And lastly, I want to make it clear to everyone out there: Don't let other people ruin your thoughts about Christianity. The true genuine Christians are nice, loving, kind, generous, hopeful, faithful, loyal, inspiring, accepting, and understanding people. Don't let this discussion choose what you believe. No matter what I or Freeman has said; don't let it choose for you. But remember: Jesus Christ loves you and He died for you. *http://wiki.answers.com... **Is backed by OT Scripture: Ps. 40:6-8. ***Is backed by Deut. 6:5, and Lev. 19:18. But see Matt 22:15-22 anyway. Very Important! ****The story of Jesus' response to a question about taxes teaches us something about how Christians are to relate to government. Jesus taught that we should pay what we rightfully owe to the government and, by implication, obey the law of the land insofar as it does not require us to disobey God. See also: Law of the Land on the web.