Resolved: The existence of God can be proven indirectly.

Ok, ill break this down piece by piece, attack my opponents case, crystallize my own...blah blah blah. The beginning of this argument is logical, to assume that the Universe simply created itself is fallacious. Everything that we have experienced has a cause and thereby an effect, this is logical. It is at the point where you state that a supernatural being must have created the universe that your point steps outside of the realm of logic on two levels. My Response, then ill go to his 2 levels: He agrees that it is illogical that the universe created itself. Good, we agree on this. But he says that the supernatural is illogical. Lets look at this; he claims its illogical to believe God created the universe. As I brought up, the Big Bang. All the elements were created at this time period. Therefore, nothing natural could have created the universe. By agreeing with me on this, he is conceding the idea that a supernatural being has done this. Why?? Because you either have a natural beginning, or a metaphysical. The only way for a natural to begin totally is to have something outside that realm. I.e. atemporal and aphysical. His levels: A)The supernatural being commonly referred to as god cannot be explained by human beings, it lacks the ability to be understood. In essence the idea of a god is not an explanation at all, it is a place holder for our lack of an explanation. All throughout time humans have been baffled by many things, they have attributed these things to supernatural beings or occurrences that defy the laws of this world. The creation of the universe is one of these mysteries which I speak of, in fact the largest yet. We have to date not been able to explain how the universe was created, so much like man once thought that stars were made when great mean die, we think that the universe must also have been created by the supernatural. My Response: Ok, he is making the whole notion that humans make god up as a place holder. This is true, as seen through history. However, all the things that gods have been given power over are NATURAL phenomena. I'm not saying that I think there is a god of rain, for arguments sake. But when talking about the creation of the universe you are going outside the whole realm of the natural. As I said before, he has conceded that the universe needed to have been created. A natural cannot create a first natural, that is illogical and against science. B) And of course, the idea of a god lacks the own premise which it was originally trying to defeat. Logically everything was created by something else, thereby god must have been created by something else..... what? Secondly, god gives purpose to the lives of people, something people like. What many people don't realize is that god still has no purpose, making our own existence meaningless yet. My Response: God is not natural, you agree its supernatural and metaphysical. I.e. it doesn't have to be created. God is the necessary mover, prime mover, clock-maker. He is the first movement to start all natural laws. This also, attacks your second statement. God's purpose was to start the process, therefore we have a purpose as well. II. Paraphrased, this contention states that something of a great force must have created the universe due to it's inability to exist and at the same time potentially exist. This isn't a bad observation, up until the point when we jump from this premise straight to the idea that what created the universe MUST be supernatural. In now way does it have to be supernatural at all. In fact let's take a look at a movie we all know, it's called the matrix. A perfectly reasonable explanation for the existence of that world exists, it's just hidden from the people. My Response: Again you bring up the supernatural. BY AGREEING THAT THE UNIVERSE CANNOT HAVE CREATED ITSELF FROM ITS OWN ELEMENTS, THEN YOU AGREE ITS SUPERNATURAL. I.e. all your attacks fail. Resolve Clarification: It states indirectly, no direct. Burden: I have proven through cosmology that there needs to be a greater force of supernatural being to have started it all. If your me, its God, but either way, its a greater unnatural force. My opponent has failed to give reasons why God doesn't exist. He only says nothing can be supernatural. And as i keep on reiterating, my opponent, by conceding the idea of first begininning, concedes an unnatural force.