I actually met god in a dark back corner of a busy street

"Instead of attempting to refute any of my points," Oh but I did refute a few of your darling little swashbuckling rabid rabbi points such as I"m not going to be pushed around by you, I make the rules - you don"t, the ESV version will not be used and why it will not be used, your god, in which you cannot even prove even exists would never use text as a form of communication, the worst form of communication possible, that videos would be used, and if you don"t like it, leave. etc etc etc and 10,000 characters was thus used up. OK so let"s see whatelseyahgot got from RD1, if anything and then we can go from there. Now I give you fair weaning, sorry, warning, I will play by the 3 strike rule. 1. Your citation of 2,821,364 deaths is derived from this website: http://www.vocativ.com...... actually no its not from that website. "So certain are you." Now name who said that oh great twinkletoes mormon. Oh whooppss, sorry, moron. Um no I got it from a book called Drunk With Blood. Strike 1. And btw, that link is invalid. "a precise number in relation to the Bible is certainly false." Actually no it isn"t. "This is because the death toll includes those who perished in the immolation of Sodom and Gomorrah, as well as the deaths caused by the Great Flood and Plagues of Egypt." Well by gum take one giant leaps and bounds as to a "guess what"? Those tallies of the 2,821,364 WERE NOT INCLUDED. Only specifically what was stated IN THE BIBLE as far as what killings took place were tallied up and it came to 2,821,364. And the author of Drunk With Blood also did another poll tally, he assumed what the death toll would be such as 20 million in the great flood. That tally is 24,994,828. So that"s strike 2. See, the problem with christians such as yourself is you do not have the ability to think, reason, rationalize, use common sense, nor use logic. Nor does YOUR god have any that you cannot even prove even exists. "that most of your 2.8 million deaths took place during the Old Testament." Well snookums, they are not "my" deaths. But YOUR god who decided to go cabbage batbrain crazy and kill all these people for no reason at all" Oh and btw, these are only SOME of the genocides that YOUR god has committed" Indeed god is far far far worse than Hitler, Mao, Pol Pot, Stalin, Hong Xiuquan, all serial killers, all rapists, all tortures, all pedophiles, all sadomasochists etc etc etc combined. After all god knowingly created them which means that he is ultimately responsible for them. Its either that or god is not a god and lets them off the hook with nothing but a tap on the shoulder for their horrific, disgusting, repugnant crimes and simply god---does---not---care. Now here's some examples of god"s sickened, diseased, abominable atrocities for absolutely no reason at all... the great flood according to the bible (which never happened btw) so who knows what the body count was there? 3,000 EX 32:27-28, 14,700 NU 16:49, 24,002 NU 25: 1-11, 12,000 JOS 8: 1-25, 10,000 JG 1:4, 120,000 JG 8:7-10, 42,000 JG 12:3-6, 1,000 JD 15:14-15, 3,000 JD 16:27-30, 25,101 JD 16:27-30, 1 SAM 4 34,002, 1 SAM 6:19 50,070, 2 SAM 8 65,850, 1 KI 20: 28-29 100,000, 1 KI 20: 30 27,000, KI 19 35 -37 185,000, 2 CHR 13 17-18 500,000!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, 2 CHR 28:6 120,000, Esther 9:5-18 75,813, 2 CHR 14: 9-14 1,000,000!!!!!!!!!!! etc etc etc Yeah god is really so moral huh? Nope. So what you are also saying is that the OT is inaccurate and that the NT is accurate. Hmmmm strange, how can this possibly be when a great deal of the NT was obviously forged because there"s no actual proof whatsoever that your christ has ever existed. Not only that but those who hung around jesus, namely the disciples,they could no read or write. So pretty near everything in the NT is from memory. And memory is phenomenally unreliable. "Now, as a Christian, I offer justification for these events, under the assumption that the three disasters I mentioned above (Sodom and Gomorrah, Great Flood, and Plagues of Egypt)" Well then by your own rules, you are NOT a christian as your sad pathetic whimpering jesus said "love your enemies". Super wowzers cabbage batbrain. Its perfectly OK for YOUR god to wipe out entire civilizations which includes babies, children and pregnant mothers in which there is absolutely 100% no justification for it, not ever, strike 3, so as soon as I finish these thoughts this debate will be officially over. 1. Oh wait its perfectly OK for your god to kill. But not man. "Thou shalt not kill". Thus YOUR god is a super massive contradictory hypocrite. This is the god you pay attention to. 2. Slaughtering pregnant mothers in some of the genocides above is committing abortions. Yet you christians are so so so against abortions. That"s a super massive hypocritical contradiction on the entire christian faith thus proving that you do not follow your god. 3. The great flood never happened. Get that toxic meat chow out of your egg rot mind. Here"s some videos to point blank SPLAT prove you wrong" http://www.youtube.com... - How Archaeology Disproves Noah's Flood http://www.youtube.com... - How Anthropology Disproves Noah's Flood http://www.youtube.com... - How Dendrochronology Disproves Noah's Flood http://www.youtube.com... - How Meteorology Disproves Noah's Flood http://www.youtube.com... - How Mythology Disproves Noah"s Flood http://www.youtube.com... - How Geology Disproves Noah's Flood http://www.youtube.com... - How Paleontology Disproves Noah's Flood http://www.youtube.com... - The Math of the Great Flood http://www.youtube.com... - Noah's Ark Debunked http://www.youtube.com... - 39 Problems with the Noah's Ark Story (includes the great flood also) http://www.youtube.com... - Noah's Ark is Plagiarized. Here's how we know " http://www.youtube.com... - Bible"s Buried Secrets 14:45 4. Your god killed many innocent babies suckling on their mothers breasts. This god of yours also killed children in many of the genocides in which proves that god---is---hate and evil and nothing but. There no justification for this. You cannot justify this hate and evil no matter how hard you try. 5. So strange... according to you in the OT this god of YOURS was an uncle big bad blank bile blister not very nice meanie weenie that basically killed every spit wad that was well greased and moved. Or he ordered his henchmen to do it. And then POOF the NT was created and zap zang zinglebort zowie, this god of the OT suddenly transforms himself, like a butterball cocoon and POOF he's all nice at the cocktail bars, on the concrete parachuting classes, teaching kids how to love their neighbors as themselves even though this jesus character tells them to get rid of their families as well as ALL possessions, love your enemies and follow him. all in which are completely insane and nobody who is sane would ever do such a blatant moronic thing. And nobody of sound mind should ever worship such trash. "Who's more the fool? The fool? Or the fool who follows him?" Now name who stated that? "When you start making excuses for atrocities you have removed yourself from ANY valid discussion on morals. When you say "yes the bible says you can own slaves but" well now you"re contradicting yourself because before I was asking if you thought the bible was accurately representing the mind of god, the will of god. You"ve got this conflicted mess of contradictions and you"ve found a way to rationalize them. You"ve gone and looked at them and said "boy that one really sounds bad, BUT that"s what Israel was doing that"s not what god was doing. So let me ask you this" do you believe that there"s an all knowing all powerful fun loving god who has an important message for humanity and he is so completely inept that his best attempts at communicating to people managed to convey the exact opposite message of what you think he meant? Now like are you the one who got it right? And all the people who authored the holy book and got you started that they managed to get it wrong? Is your god such a bumbling buffoon that he cannot state "thou shalt not own somebody as another human being?" or "please don"t rape the people and pillage the villages around you"" and he managed to communicate so poorly that it got written down as "Thou shalt be able to own other people as property and oh by the way go over there and kill everybody kill everything except for the young virgins." Its asinine. You cannot reconcile this." Matt Dillahunty I"m done. You think its perfectly OK for god to kill innocent babies, children and pregnant mothers in which there is absolutely no justification for it. This clearly means that you've lost your humanity. All of it and there's nothing left. Since this is true, there's no possibility that you can reasonably debate because nothing that is stated to you that is in anyway reasonable that uses common sense will never sink into your piranha giving good head at a nun's pep rally. There's 0 possibility of someone agreeing with you on EXACTLY what you say and thinking what you were to think because you'd brush him off like a giant cataract. And yet in spite of it all, you cannot even prove that this god of yours even exists.