Education should be a privilege, not a right

1. "Alright, so they get expelled and move on to a new school, where they get kicked out again and move on, where they get kicked out again... See the cycle?" Well, some kids might fall into that cycle, before dropping out when they turn 16, but there are still other kids that realize they made mistakes the first time they were expelled and then turn it around in their new school. As apposed to just being kicked out of school in general, it gives kids a second chance. "because it proves that people can recognize something before the law states that we can." First off, alchohal and education are completely different, and you can not say 'he knew that drugs were bad, therefore he knows education is good.' that just doesn't make sense! And second there will still be some 15 and 16 year olds that don't understand that education is needed and their lives are going to be really hard without 2. "Seriously though, we shouldn't give up on them; instead, we should help them recognize that there is a better life out there and they can attain it." Your the one that is saying we should just give up on them. Kick them out of school and forget about them, so you can get a better education. "We need to teach those children that they can overcome their circumstances and create a life for themselves that they only dreamed of. Becoming a hinderance to the future of our country is not the best way to fulfill their lives and potential." Which is what I have been saying this entire time! You have been saying, that we should just kick them out of school and forget about them, tell them that they will be permanetly expelled from school in general unless if they can change and sense they can't kicking them out, you are the one who has been trying to decrease their chances of doing well. How can we teach them anything, if we are just kicking them out and forgetting about them, how is ignoring the problem a solution in any way? "Granted, the abused children have many psychological problems, but they still want to escape their situation" And they don't know that they can! Their parents tell them it's legal, and if they tell someone they will just be punished. They believe them because they are the only ones telling them. Not only that, but you can not prove statistics wrong, 3 times the amount of reported cases go unnoticed. "An education is the best way to do so," And you want to take education away from them? "It's like climbing a rope (if you can't climb said rope). When the rope's just there, you can't climb it. Now light the end on fire and watch." Some children still can't climb the rope, even when it is lit. Some don't realize there is a fire. And some don't realize the fire is so dangerous and life changing. And then some just give up and jump off the rope, when they had the ability to finish if they hadn't been pushed so hard by the flames licking at their heels. You can't forget about these children, you can not let them fall through the cracks, when it is possible to save them from failure. "It's still America, people are innocent until proven guilty." And some people are sill innocent when proven guilty. "How does that get affected by either system." In the current system, abused children wouldn't be kicked out of the school. They would have a better chance of getting discovered going to a school. They would also get the break of going to school and possibly stealing food or receiving food from the school so they don't starve. In your system, it is very likely abused children would be permenetly kicked out of school (Lack of homework, poor heigene, and stealing food, are all common in abused children). This would up the abuse at home (angrier parents) and make it nearly impossible for anyone to ever detect the abuse (They are forgotten, locked inside their homes all day, no one will likely realize they still exist after the school system has kicked them out). "If the child isn't going to tell anyone about the abuse, and it's going to go unnoticed, what can we do? Simply being at school isn't going to solve the problem, your statistics prove that." My statistics proved that child abuse is bad now (you were trying to disprove this) and your system would make it much much worse and would provide the opposite of a solution. "But they can improve their grades. They can ask questions, ensure they understand what's going on. Depending on where you go to school, homework doesn't usually start happening until about 4th or 5th grade" Right about when you want to start kicking kids out, remember? If your kicked out of school in 5th grade your just as screwed as if you had been kicked out in 1st grade. "Understanding and grasping concepts is enough to get through." Until 5th grade, when you would be kicked out because that is when homework starts becoming a major portion of school. You still don't prove that in your system child abuse will find a better solution. I sill prove that abuse will get worse. 3. "I agree that the child needs food, clothing, and shelter. How would they attain this?" You were arguing earlier that school should not be feeding neglected children. And you also want to kick them out from school, and remove them from their only shelter of their abusive parents. "True, we shouldn't punish the children if it isn't the child's fault. But to an extent, it is." It's the child's fault they were born into a broken home. It is the child's fault they are abused day after day. It is the child's fault they have problems understanding education because of their abuse and neglect. It is the child's fault? Really, that's what your saying? Becuase all of this is 'their fault' we should destroy any chance of a good life they have by removing their right to an education? "So unless abusive parents have found a way to reprogram the human mind..." They have! If you have never felt love from your parents, your entire life since the day you were born you have been told something, anything, you will believe it. Abusive parents don't 'reprogram' the human mind they program it. They instill so much fear in their children, they easily control them. These kids don't have regular human nature, they are completely different then any normal child. 1) "Obviously, the system had a breakdown, and nothing was done about it." Yes this system is not perfect, and yes something needs to be done about it, but your solution does the opposite of fix it, it makes it worse. The system needs to be changed, but not in the way you want to change it. "You've targeted one specific group of people and used it as the cornerstone of your arguments" Because abused children are the biggest problem in your 'solution.' "What about the kids that come from decent homes, yet see school as a huge waste of time? " Perhaps kicking them out of school would be beneficial (even though I still don't believe it will). Just because there are gigantic holes in this solution you have come up with, it doesn't mean it is without some benefit. It's just the negative side effects from it far far out weight the positive. I have simply been focusing on the giant holes. :3) I asked "Why do we continue to have problems" and got the answer "Because we continue to have bad problems". lol sorry, I have this brain problem where I switch out words on accident when I'm speaking and writing ;P I met 'bad parents' "This idea doesn't widen the gap at all!" I think I have proved it will adequetly widen the gap between the rich and the poor. "Why should we allow this mindset to continue?" We shouldn't, but kicking these families kids out of school and forgetting about the problem is not going to fix it. "They end up dropping out of school, continuing the cycle" And in your system they still drop out, but now even more are kicked out, to continue the cycle.