Qur'an is fallible

"Clearly the Qur'an points out that Dhul-Qarneyn found the Sun like that, it means it appeared to Dhul-Qarneyn that the Sun is setting on the water, It is how Dhul-Qarneyn found it, how it appeared to him, the Qur'an does not say that the Sun sets on anything, as it says that it appeared to Dhul Qarneyn." Qur"an 18:86 "Till, when he reached the setting-place of the sun, he found it setting in a muddy spring, and found a people thereabout. We said: O Dhu'l-Qarneyn! Either punish or show them kindness." It says "setting in a muddy spring", keyword is "in", and remember that this is at the "setting-place" of the sun. "Clearly it says that a meteor of fire detaches itself from the star, not the stars as a missle, and this is the Lowest heaven, which we did not discover as humans, so this verse cannot be disproved nor proved, because we have not observed it." That makes it even more wrong then. A meteor does not come from a star. You might say this is in the "Lowest heaven", but we do know what a meteor and what a star is. "More accurate translation is" How come you say a more accurate translation? Are you saying that the Qur"an is not easy to understand that certain translations would be wrong? "Tafsir al Jalalayn" You are saying that I need a Tafsir? Are you saying that the Qur"an is not easy to understand? "The verse actually says that there are 7 planets similar to the Earth, does not say that the universe contains only 7 planets" Only 7? Lets take a look at the universe, shall we? "As of April 2014, the Habitable Exoplanets Catalog lists 21 planets that have the best chance for life beyond our solar system" (http://www.space.com...) I think that 21 is more than 7. "Qur'an does not describe this 6 periods of time(I will explain this later on) as day and night(as described in the Bible)" Really now? "Shakir translates it more accuratly" Let"s take a look really quickly: Sahih International: "And We did certainly create the heavens and earth and what is between them in six days, and there touched Us no weariness." Pickthall: "And verily We created the heavens and the earth, and all that is between them, in six Days, and naught of weariness touched Us." Yusuf Ali: "We created the heavens and the earth and all between them in Six Days, nor did any sense of weariness touch Us." Shakir: "And certainly We created the heavens and the earth and what is between them in six periods and there touched Us not any fatigue." Muhammad Sarwar: "We created the heavens, the earth, and all that is between them in six days without experiencing any fatigue." Mohsin Khan: "And indeed We created the heavens and the earth and all between them in six Days and nothing of fatigue touched Us." Arberry: "We created the heavens and the earth, and what between them is, in six days, and no weariness touched Us." Looks like Shakir is the only one that doesn"t say days. Are you saying that the Qur"an is not easy enough to understand that only one got it right? "Evolution is a theory, and cannot be used to disprove the 'Creation of life', as it is not a fact" This shows that you do not understand science. Gravity is a theory. The Earth orbiting the Sun (heliocentric solar system) is a theory. Scientific definitions (http://www.nas.edu...): Scientific Theory: a comprehensive explanation of some aspect of nature that is supported by a vast body of evidence. Scientific Fact: an observation, measurement, or other form of evidence that can be expected to occur the same way under similar circumstances. OR. a scientific explanation that has been tested and confirmed so many times that there is no longer a compelling reason to keep testing it or looking for additional examples. "Because the evidence supporting it is so strong, scientists no longer question whether biological evolution has occurred and is continuing to occur. Instead, they investigate the mechanisms of evolution, how rapidly evolution can take place, and related questions." This means that evolution IS a scientific fact. This is coming from the National Academy of Sciences, one of the most prestigious science academies out there. Therefore, yes, I can use evolution. "From the above link we can see:" Really? Wikipedia? "As we clearly and indisputably see, the scientists themselves: 1- Never unlocked all of the deep secrets of how these animals truly reproduce." Where does it imply this? "2- Are unsure of how exactly the reproduction occurs with these species." Did you read the article? Can you quote what gave you this idea? "3- These species are NOT ASEXUAL because they still do produce Males and Females" From YOUR own source: 1. "In apomictic parthenogenesis, the offspring are clones of the mother and hence are usually (except for aphids) female. In the case of aphids, parthenogenetically produced males and females are clones of their mother except that the males lack one of the X chromosomes (XO)." 2. "In polyploid obligate parthenogens like the whiptail lizard, all the offspring are female." "4- The scientists claims are no more than speculations at best! They are uncertainties and doubts; unconfirmed science." Where does it even say this? I might have missed it, but at least quote it, otherwise it is worthless to even bring it up. "This verse is nowhere related to science, It just says that Allah is the sustainer and enables the bird to fly with his power, how does this work? it is figured as said by the underlined." Let"s look at what it says again. Qur"an 16:79 "Do they not look at the birds, held poised in the midst of (the air and) the sky? NOTHING holds them up BUT (the power of) Allah. Verily in this are signs for those who believe" This is saying that ONLY the power of Allah holds them up. When we look at how a bird can fly we see that the bird flies by using its wings to create a pressure difference above and below, thus pushing them up. This means that even if Allah did exist and created the ability for a bird to do this that Allah is not the only thing "holding" them up, the air pressure difference is doing it. We also cannot say that Allah designed the bird to be able to do this either as I have already explained evolution above. "Qur'an 41:10 clearly says that the Earth was created in 2 days, but mountains and everything in earth(i.e. Plants and flowers) were in 4 days including the 2 days" Actually, there is nothing to even imply it was the 2 days before, in fact it is directly addressing the same sentence, which does not include the original 2 days. Qur"an- 41:10 "He set on the (earth) Mountains standing firm high above it, and bestowed blessing on the earth, and measured therein all things to give them nourishment in due proportion, in FOUR DAYS" So, 8 days or 6 days? BTW, didn"t you also say earlier that it does not say days but periods? Why does it say days here? ALSO, by the way, this puts heaven as being made last while you said in the "Heaven or Earth first" part that he made Earth, made the Heavens, then made the features. Another contradiction? Want some more contradictions? Does man need Allah or does Allah need man? Qur"an 51:56 "I have only created Jinns and men, that they may serve me" So, Allah made man to serve him? Qur"an 35:15 "O mankind! It is you that have need of God: but God is the One Free of all wants, worthy of all praise" But Allah has no wants? Who is to be blamed for belief and disbelief? Qur"an 6:12 "It is they who have lost their own souls, that they will not believe" So, it is the disbelievers? Qur"an 10:100 "No soul can believe except by the will of Allah" Wait, so it is Allah"s? Who is to be blamed for wrong doings? Qur"an 35:8 "Allah leaves stray whom He wills and guides whom He wills" So, it is Allah"s for leaving them stray? Qur"an 30:9 "It was not Allah who wronged them, but they wronged their own souls" Here it says it is man"s own fault. Which is it? As you can see, there are many contradictions. I will also repost the last part of my first round. "There are many inconsistencies within the Qur"an, both with the external and with the internal. These inconsistencies show that the Qur"an is mistaken, it is fallible. If you still claim it is not fallible, do you think that you need someone to explain the Qur"an? Qur"an 54:17 "And We have indeed made the Qur'an easy to understand and remember: then is there any that will receive admonition?" If you wish to say that the Qur"an needs to be explained you are then saying that this part of the Qur"an is incorrect, making the Qur"an fallible."