Whitebeard vs. Madara

Since each contention/rebuttal seems to have been split up into more than one area of discussion, I will be organizing this round's argument as such.R1) Whitebeard's ConditionPro claims that rule 2's reference to rule 1 supports "a fully healthy but old WB". However, this results in an impossibility, as Whitebeard has never been fully healthy and old at the same time; we have no way of knowing what the extent of his power would be in such a condition. In order to resolve this potential impossibility, we should take the more clear of the two rules (that Whitebeard will appear as he did in Marineford), and then apply the full health rule, which results in the conclusion that at the time of this battle, Whitebeard would appear as he did right at the beginning of the Paramount War (i.e. the point at which Whitebeard had the fullest health throughout the course of the Marineford Arc)Thus, any attempts by Pro to use Whitebeard's sickness as a counter cannot be counted as valid.R2) Observation HakiWith that out of the way, I can continue to use the example I cited in round 2 to show that Whitebeard would have very minimal observation haki at the time of battle. Pro attempts to rebut this by saying that Whitebeard was not expecting to be hit by an ally, but we can infer from Marco's comments afterwards that if Whitebeard had fully functioning Observation Haki, he still should have been able to dodge the strike. In addition, Pro has only addressed my examples showing that Whtiebeard DOESN'T have Observation Haki; he has yet to show one instance in which Whitebeard DOES display any sign of having such an ability.R3) Martial Arts SkillPro claims that all the marines blown away by Whitebeard were commissioned officers, but that is simply false. The vast majority of the troops at Marineford were just normal marine recruits. Also, Pro makes a baseless assertion that many Vice Admirals can put up a good fight against Madara, when all it would really take is a strike from Susanoo to kill one.At no point does Whitebeard display substantial skill in martial arts, mainly just swinging around his bisento and blowing away thousands of weaklings at a time, while Madara is able to skillfully use taijutsu to beat hundreds of much stronger warriors. R4) SpeedHere, Pro is using gaps in information to make false conclusions, guessing that Whitebeard has superhuman speed based on nothing more than the fact that we cannot see how Whitebeard got from one place to another. It is much more likely that there is an explanation that is more consistent with how fast Whitebeard moves otherwise (i.e. rather slowly). Regarding the Akainu situation, Pro cites a scan showing Whitebeard to be somewhat far away from Ace, but that was more than 2 chapters before the instance in question! There was plenty of time for him to have moved...Pro pretty much drops his example concerning Kizaru, simply stating that because Whitebeard can move his body parts at the speed of lightning, his reflexes are also faster than lightning. This is a non-sequitur...As for Pro's other contention, Whitebeard being able to fight the Admirals does not automatically mean he is as fast with them... it means he has other means of compensating for their speed (i.e. earthquakes, the long reach of his bisento, etc.).In response to my point that Whitebeard has never shown his supposed superhuman speed in battle, Pro basically just says "WB was sick", which I have already shown to be an invalid response.Madara is much faster than Whitebeard. There is no question about it. R5) JutsuElemental Jutsu: Pro basically just repeats himself, here, proclaiming that Whitebeard can blow away all of Madara's jutsu with his earthquakes. I do not doubt that Whitebeard would be able to avoid quite a few jutsu that way, but Madara's tact and mobility would allow for the majority of them to hit. And again, sickness is not a valid counter, so my objection that Whitebeard has been hit quite easily before does prove my point, here.Levitation: Pro claims that the shocks from Whitebeard's quakes move very fast in all directions. This is true. However, Whitebeard has a very characteristic pose that he uses in preparing to use this technique, and thus, Madara would be able to see it coming and get out of the way [1].Clones: Pro strawmans me by saying that I have claimed that wood clones can withstand Whitebeard's quakes. This is false. Rather, I have merely noted that these clones are just as mobile as the original Madara and can still use jutsu as powerful as Susanoo [2]. The point is that the clones won't be as easy to destroy as Pro makes it out to be.SharinganPro claims that after his escape from Edo Tensei, Madara is rendered incapable of using Sharingan abilities. He bases this conclusion solely off the fact that Madara hasn't yet used it since his escape. This is not a valid reason to assume that Madara no longer has that ability. Madara is still fully capable of switching between the two dojutsu. Amaterasu: Pro rebuts this by saying that Whitebeard's endurance would allow him to bear the Amaterasu for a long period of time; while this may be true, he would be taking heavy damage from the fire, which is the main purpose of using it in the first place. As for Pro's proposed method for evading Amaterasu, there is a good chance that Madara would learn to anticipate this method after Whitebeard has used it once and would come up with a counter-tactic (e.g. levitating immediately after releasing Amaterasu without losing concentration).Susanoo: Pro seems to think that my partial concession equates to a full concession. I simply said that the Susanoo alone would probably break from a quake, but I went on to say that in conjunction with the Deva Path and his regenerative abilities, Madara could probably avoid getting injured by one.RinneganJudging from his rebuttal, Pro seems to have a misconception of the Rinnegan's powers... the Six Paths technique is a trademark of the Rinnegan; a power automatically granted to any user of the Rinnegan [3]. Madara is definitely capable of using it. The reason that he hasn't yet is because he hasn't been in an all-out battle yet, holding back even against the Kages.Madara can definitely use the Deva Path (extremely strong attractive/repulsive forces), which could be utilized to help neutralize the effects of Whitebeard's quakes.R6) RegenerationPro states that regeneration alone would not allow Madara to take an earthquake. However, I never claimed that it would; rather, I said that in conjunction with Susanoo and Deva Path, he could probably manage it.R7) IntelligencePro gives an additional example of Whitebeard's supposed intelligence. However, detecting and avoiding a trap is not the same thing as being able to come up with innovative offensive strategies on the spot, like Madara has been shown to be capable of.Madara is probably smarter than Whitebeard in terms of tactical combat ability.CONCLUSIONSPro's argument was basically that Whitebeard's brute physical strength, endurance for injuries, Devil Fruit, and 3 forms of Haki would be enough to beat Madara.I have shown that...-- Madara's incredible variety of powerful jutsu*, combined with his superior speed/agility, could be used in conjunction with his vast intelligence to totally destroy Whitebeard* i.e. taijutsu, ninjutsu, weaponry, sharingan, rinnegan-- Madara could potentially use his Susanoo, Deva Path, and his Regeneration abilities together to neutralize the effects of Whitebeard's earthquakes-- Whitebeard gets no advantage from his observation haki (because he barely has any), armament haki (because of Madara's ability to dodge and Susanoo), or conqueror's haki (because it only works on weak-willed enemies). There is a high likelihood that Madara would win in a battle against Whitebeard.Back to Pro!SOURCES[1] http://www.onepiecebay.net...[2] http://narutobase.net...[3] http://naruto.wikia.com...