God exists, and loves you.

I suppose I'll answer these two questions that really have nothing at all to do with this topic.. 1) Yes I can and yes I do, but that has nothing to do with god. 2) No - miracles are only miracles for theists. The rest of us call it unusual >> "the old testament is an example of how UNloving the world was in the past. a pretty awful place right? killing left and right!!! never the less, the people thought that what they were doing was right. they thought they were killing for god. God was on certain people's sides for many wars. I have one explanation for this. In the early ages, god communicated with many people, and needed them to believe in him. What a better way then to help them win a war??" What happened to love your enemies? Sounds like God certainly doesn't practice what he preaches. If he was on one side in a war, he clearly doesn't love the other side. Thanks for the contribution to my argument. >>"now that christians are a majority of our earth, he uses us to communicate to others." That's simply false. Christians are about 33% of the planet. 53% of the word that is part of a major religion (Islam, Hindu, Jewish, Indigenous, Trad. Chinese, Buddhist) is not Christian at all. Not sure where you got that from. There are more than twice as many non-Christians (counting apathetics, atheists, agnostics, etc..) as there are Christians. >>"anyway, AFTER the OLD testament, there was jesus. the perfect example of love." Excellent, so the people God killed in the Old Testament feel lots better now, don't they? >>"YOU tarzan have made mistakes in your life. (assuming. forgive.)i'm going to say that at some point in your life, you've made fun of someone. you hurt their feelings. this is where jesus comes in. he loves you sooooo much (and YES!! YOU IN PARTICULAR!)that he forgives you of that sin." Whether or not I've made mistakes in my life has nothing to do with whether or not god exists and loves people. >>""As the father has loved me, so i have loved you; abide in my love. if you keep my commandments, you will abide in his love. I have said these things to you so that my joy may be in you, and that your joy may be complete."" How compelling... note that it doesn't say "As the father has loved the people of Sodom and Gammorah, so I have loved you." Once again, what Jesus says has no bearing on the actions that God has already taken. >>"see, jesus just wants happiness!! ok so you advocated for the killing of children. yeah.... ok well what about when the old creepy pharisees wanted to kill the children for trying to talk to jesus? yeah who came to the rescue? jesus did!!!" Jesus wants happiness? Lets see what he says about peace and happiness... "Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I came to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and a man's enemies will be the members of his household. He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me; and he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me. He who has found his life will lose it, and he who has lost his life for My sake will find it." (Matthew 10:34-39 NASB) And the "creepy pharisees" with the children that Jesus "saved?" - Where was Jesus when God killed hordes of Egyptian children? I suppose maybe Jesus' power wasn't all that great... >>"god does not want to kill homosexuals" Was there something about "if a man lies with a male as with a women...they have forfeited their lives" that you didn't understand? >>"also these things you addressed as "ridiculous religious stuff" yeah it was all a form of sacrifice to god." Could you point to these things I addressed as "ridiculous religious stuff?" I can't seem to find that quote... And what a loving god he must be to ask for sacrifice. My mistake. A truly loving god asks people (Abraham) to prepare and altar and to kill their children (Genesis 22). >>"ps. we cant evaluate love upon a book (bible)" Then why on earth are you introducing language from John? ************************************************* My opponent has done nothing other than spat nonsense that has nothing to do with actual refutation of my claims. And apparently my calling Sally fat in the third grade has something to do with the existence of god and whether or not he loves us. All in all, the bible gives an account of a God who is jealous, vengeful, unjust, murderous, and judgmental. It also gives an account of God's Son, who is loving and just. So which are we to believe? If we look at the world, it is easy to see that nature itself is jealous, vengeful, unjust, murderous, etc... It would seem that the true nature of god can be seen in his creation. As for god's existence... There is no argument that can give reasonable expectation for the existence of God. The teleological arguments all fail. The ontological arguments of Anselm, Descartes, Leibniz, Avicenna... all useless. My opponent has said we can't rely on revealed theology to determine love. We can't rely on revealed theology for existence either. Natural theology produces conditions that lead reasonable people to non-belief. We seem to have a quandary on our hands. Perhaps my opponent will address the underlying issues in the next round instead of focusing on my calling poor Sally fat.