Abortion Should Get the Same Penalty As First Degree Murder

Let's clear some stuff up. Rules Pro for one reason or another wants the debate to come down to rules. He claims that I have failed to negate the resolution from a pro-life perspective simply because I pointed out the absurdity I find in the position to begin with. The problem with Pros line of reasoning is two-fold: First is that if you actually read my arguments in context, you'll see that I was pointing out my personal issue with the resolution to bring out clearly that even from a pro-life perspective (a perspective I generally endorse) abortion is no black and white, good vs evil kind of issue like first degree murder is. It is as grey as it gets. This is why there are varying degrees of murder to begin with, to attempt to compensate at least partially for all the grey in justice. Secondly, its not like the comment constitutes a rejection of the pro-life position in my explicit advocacy (IE the claim, warrant, evidence, and impacts behind my three contentions) at the very best for Pro it represents an anomally that needs to be ignored, but if you actually take it in context Pro is woefully incorrect. Moreover there's nothing stated in the rules that a small slip up (it wasnt an advocacy of pro-choice, but even if you buy Pros argument that it was) is enough for an auto loss. Pro already forfeited a round, so if anything we've both broken a rule and you leave conduct as a tie. CostCon has completely dropped this argument in two rounds in a row now. Extend it all the way across and vote Con on the fact that it would be literally impossible to afford giving all women who have abortions the same penalty as first degree murder even under my low-ball estimate. Doing so would bankrupt the country and justice system, allowing for no justice to occur.Exceptions (IE willfullness)For someone quibbling so much about rules, Pro sure is very unspecific in his opening rounds. He asserts that my arguments regarding the unwillingness of many abortions wouldnt fall under a pro-life worldview, but nearly 1 in 5 Americans thinks abortion should be illegal in all circumstances[1], which hardly seems like an unreasonable standard to use for "pro-life". So if we want abortion to be illegal under all circumstances, trying these women for first degree murder when they committed their act unwillingly lowers conviction rates and is a moral travesty. Recall that abortion simply doesnt meet the qualifications to be tried under first degre murder (recall: " The law should hold both liable for murder in the first degree and they should be sentenced the same way any first degree murderer would be." from Pros R1), so if we want to maximize conviction rates (and therefore justice) we cant treat abortion the same as first degree murder if we want to enforce pro-life justice.NullificationMoreover conviction rates would be lowered further given jury nullification; Pro argues that pro-choice jurors would be screened out but given that fully 80%[2] of Americans support abortion in at least some circumstances which is an absurdly high amount to try to screen out, either one of two scenarios occurs:A. Pro-abortion jurors are not screened out and justice under the pro-life world view declines given the *widespread* jury nullification that WILL occur when the penalties are so onerous (life imprisonment or death by lethal injection) orB. Pro-abortion jurors are screened out and only an absurdly small slice of extremely pro-choice people, many of whom are old and will soon die[3] can be jurors on these 500,000+ annualcases. This will back up trials enourmously and, again, not allow for maximized justice.PremeditationPro misrepresents this argument. The argument isnt that the failure of these women to view their fetuses as human makes them not morally culpable, it just makes them *less* morally culpable since they have been brought up in many cases to believe that these fetuses arent human and that its "their body their right". This is, again, why we have varying degrees of crimes. They should be held responsible and punished, but we should also understand why many of them did what they did especially in emotionally streneous situations that constitute huge numbers of abortions (hence failing to meet the premeditiation aspect of first degree murder)The resolution is clearly negated.Sources:1. http://www.gallup.com...2. Ibid3. http://www.pewforum.org...;(note that the largest block of support for overturning Woe V wade is among those 65+)