NCIS is the best TV show.

. http://www.youtube.com... . http://www.youtube.com... "A crime drama focusing on team dynamics is not innovative. .. " So? I'll bet that the first crime drama was great. Anything else wouldn't seem as creative, but it would be equally great. The massive number of crime dramas really just weighs down NCIS's ratings. "Its originality and entertainment value are unquestioned. " Then I shall question it. I don't get why people want to watch other people act life being pointless. I just don't get it. It hardly has any plotline. "What was intended to differentiate the show has simply made it more of the same. " Actually, it was intended to show that it made the show cooler. This particular point has not been disputed, and thus has been conceded. Thus, NCIS's camera tricks are cool. "Pro claims that the characters on NCIS are not stereotypes. .. " Well, you didn't exactly prove me wrong. You continuously claim that the characters are stereotypical, but you don't support it with facts. Besides, in a direct comparison between NCIS and Seinfeld, stereotypes don't even really matter, because that only applies if you compare NCIS with other crime dramas. Because that is not the comparison, stereotypes are irrelevant. "Ratings. .. Awards. .. Recognition. .. Influence & Longevity. .. " All of these points have one fatal flaw. They aren't just based on the greatness of the show. Had Seinfeld first been released at the same time as NCIS, it would be as great as it was last decade, but it would lack all of the above points. For ratings and awards, the show was directly compared with the shows that played at the same time as itself. "Lastly, Pro's point on technology influencing ratings was confusing and not sourced. I ask him to please clarify and provide sources so I may reply next round. " I apologize that this contention doesn't exactly have a specific source, but logic instead. Here goes: Technology is always improving over time. Technology in filming has improved, as well, from more realistic-looking fake blood to improved cameras that can get better zooming, angles, etc. TV shows have also bet getting better over the years, on average, due to improved acting classes, show writers learning from the masters and reviewing past shows to borrow their best qualities, and the like. With improved technology and plotlines/acting, TV shows have gotten better over the years. Thus, when Seinfeld received its ratings and awards, it was only comparable to other shows in the era. NCIS and Seinfeld don't compete for the same awards, and it is now harder to receive the best ratings and awards, due to TV shows being better, so awards and ratings become irrelevant. "Because the resolution concerns which show is better now, not in the future, Seinfeld's recognition stands as a point of superiority. " Actually, NCIS is currently better than Seinfeld. However, Seinfeld has existed longer, which means that more people watch it. Had NCIS existed at the time of Seinfeld, with Seinfeld being filmed now, and neither show was changed in filming at all, NCIS would have the great reputation instead, and Seinfeld would still be earning its reputation as NCIS is now. This is why recognition does not properly reflect the show itself, but rather its time period, so it is irrelevant. It was acceptable for you to try, but I have proven it to be irrelevant. "Given that a show's ultimate goal is public recognition and appreciation, these facts solidity Seinfeld as the better show. " However, this is not about which show has achieved its ultimate goal, but which show is better. Because it takes time, rather than quality, to achieve the goal, the goal becomes irrelevant. "Unfortunately for him, this does not explain Seinfeld's superior storytelling, characters, and why it received higher ratings and more awards than NCIS during the same time span. " You have not argued at all about storytelling and characters, but rather about how NCIS's are supposedly based entirely off of other shows. For one thing, the comparison to CSI is irrelevant, and for another, NCIS's characters are better than Seinfeld's. Seinfeld has only four characters, compared to NCIS's multitude of characters, and NCIS is famous for its character-driven sub-plots. The ratings and awards only compare Seinfeld with surrounding shows, as opposed to future shows. That's another point I'd like to make. In most shows I watch, the characters all split up into two sub-plots, and come into little contact with each other. In NCIS, all of the characters are involved in one big case, and then two or three of the characters end up with their own little sub-plot that ties in with the case. It's great. There are also inter-character relationships: DiNozzo makes fun of McGee. DiNozzo flirts with Kate. DiNozzo flirts with Ziva, and is her rival. McGee flirts with Abby. Gibbs buys Abby CAFF-Pows. Gibbs slaps DiNozzo. Gibbs then slaps McGee and Ziva/Kate. Gibbs had a previous affair with Jenny. Gibbs builds a boat in his basement named after his daughter. "Add to this Seinfeld's widespread recognition, influence, longevity, and revenue and there is no contest. " And yet, all of these are not pure reflections of Seinfeld's quality, but of its timeframe. Now, because I have about 3,000 characters left, I will include funny quotes from NCIS: Sacks: This guy is implicated in a homicide and he's making jokes! Fornell: You've never worked with NCIS before, have you, Agent Sacks? Dennis: NCIS. Never heard of it. Gibbs: That's embarrassing. Dennis: NCIS anything like CSI? Tony: Only if you're dyslexic. Tony: Five years with Gibbs? Amazed the guy didn't end up in a straitjacket. Gibbs: What was that? Tony: Uh, nothing, Boss, just praising your communication skills. Tony: Gibbs'll get in. He's got clearance that'll let him see the dead aliens at Area 51. Kate: 'Cause he probably killed them. Gibbs: I'm Special Agent Gibbs. The same agency you haven't heard of before. Only I don't take it personally any more. Gibbs: McGee -- less talk, more of the computer chip doo-da. McGee: McGee with the doo-da. Fornell: Doo-da? Gibbs: Yeah, it's a computer term . .. you wouldn't understand. Tony: Okay, relax, quick-draw. We're feds. Security Officer: Oh yeah? What agency? Tony: N - Ziva: NCIS. Security Officer: Never heard of it. Ziva: Naval Criminal Investigative Service. Security Officer: Never heard of it. Tony: (to Ziva) You never actually get used to it. You think you will, but you never do. (Gibbs and Tony are in the boxing ring) Tony: Did you learn to box in the Marines? Gibbs: The Corps doesn't teach boxing. Tony: Your loss. (Gibbs takes Tony apart and leaves him flat on his back, winded and hurting) Gibbs: They teach fighting. All quotes from: . http://cbsncis.wetpaint.com... . http://cbsncis.wetpaint.com... . http://cbsncis.wetpaint.com... . http://cbsncis.wetpaint.com... . http://cbsncis.wetpaint.com... So, in conclusion, NCIS has great, in-depth plotlines, that are irrelevantly similar to other shows, it has cool cinematography, it uses technology unheard of in the time of Seinfeld, and its characters, when put together, form the most hilarious cast ever seen, even greater than Seinfeld, and are supposedly and irrelevantly stereotypes. Everything about ratings, awards, recognition, etc. are irrelevant. Thus, NCIS wins, and is better than Seinfeld.