Achilles vs Hercules

Thanks! Your apology is dearly noted. My opponents lies: 1) "Con then statement the Greeks who wrote his story literally referred to him as "The Greatest Greek Warrior". This statement is a complete opinion." Actually, in researching Hercules, countless sources declare him the Greatest Greek Warrior due to him accomplishing seemingly impossible tasks. For example: http://www.infoplease.com... or here: http://www.perseus.tufts.edu... or even here: http://en.wikipedia.org... or here: http://ezinearticles.com...Thought experiment: if in theory Hercules was not the Greatest Greek Warrior, why would Zeus make him Champion Defender of Mt Olympus? 2) "Con then mention Hercules training in arts, and archery but that would not help Hercules in a sword battle, Achilles clearly has an advantage against Hercules in weapons skill." and "Hercules wasn't trained but that didn't mean he didn't needed to be trained. As I stated earlier, the only reason Hercules was able to complete those task were because of STRENGTH not SKILL. Wrestling mortals was of course easy to him because of his tremendous strength." In bibliotheca verse 2.4.9 Hercules' training in swords, bow and arrow, and wrestling is noted. As I have contended the entire time, he WAS a trained warrior. 3) No evidence that Zeus would interfere in mortal affairs (Wouldn't tell Hercules). .....do I even have to counter this? Hercules' birth alone is evidence enough that Zeus would interfere and inform Hercules of Achilles' weak spot. In fact Zeus even interferes in the fall of Troy in Homer's Iliad. And he has numerous demi-gods because of his infidelity. If that isn't evidence enough that Zeus would inform Hercules because he was known to interfere, I don't know what is! I don't think my opponent knows what evidence exactly is ... 4) I somehow claimed Hercules caused the Fall of Troy through Poes shooting Paris with his BowThe eventual fall of Troy was indicating a series of events, not that it caused it, I NEVER claimed that with the death of Paris, somehow everyone just packs it in and goes home. Not even close. I showed that Hercules did have an impact as to how the Trojan War played out, but that was it. 5) To conclude this debate Achilles is the far better warrior. I have proved all of my information with facts as Con's arguments are merely assumptions of what Zeus MIGHT do. I would like to thank Con for taking time out of his day to do this debate, I appreciate it. I never assumed anything, I based my opinion on previous events that Zeus has engaged in. It would be reasonable to suggest that Hercules would be aware of Achilles weak spot and seek to expose it to his advantage. But that facts? Hercules is trained warrior is a fact, my opponent disregards this to make his point. What facts is he talking about? He claims Achilles is far more strategic, yet he never has to use his strategy in the Iliad, in fact he relies heavily on the Gods for assistance during the epic, while Hercules has to use his cunning several times in the 12 labours, the most noted being tricking Atlas into holding the sky again. Lets talk facts my dear opponent, because it is YOU who assumes, and formulated a debate on a baseless subjective opinion. Finally, there is several reasons to believe in Greek Mythology Achilles would get whooped by Hercules. First, as I had pointed out earlier, Hercules' only known weakness was the blood stained tunic. Which wouldn't be used in a sword fight. In fact anyone who knows about Hercules knows that his skin was so tough it alone was like armour, never mind everything else he had. In fact unlike Achilles, Hercules actually never dies. He is saved by Zeus and is brought up to Mount Olympus due to his demi-god status, and only his mortal side is burned off due to the tunic. NOT his immortal side. Why is this significant? Because as I have noted over and over again, Achilles actually does die. Sure he has a cult following after, but he does actually die. Meaning that Hercules was obviously far superior as he is now the Champion of Mount Olympus, and shows the audience that Hercules cannot die, while the inferior Achilles actually can die. Meaning regardless of the weapon, swords or not, Hercules will always defeat Achilles. Finally, my opponents argument is incredibly weak. He rests on question begging; that because Achilles cannot be harmed except by his ankle that anything Hercules does to him won't work. Yet he still has a weakness: HIS ANKLE. And even though he is immortal everywhere else, he does still have a weak spot. Something my opponent failed to overcome. Who has won here? Well:My opponent dropped several of my points. First, he wrongly claims Hercules does not have any training, when in fact he does. Secondly, he only claims cunning is irrelevant here only after he drops my point. Yet it still is relevant here, strategy defeats strength, in fact some of the labours show this as well. (Not all, some) Third, he only shows us how Achilles COULD win in theory. But fails to rebuttal my point that Hercules was only harmed by the blood soaked tunic. That was literally the only thing that harmed him. Unlike Achilles, who is killed by his ankle. And as I pointed out with Hercules' brute strength, once he gets a hold of Achilles and pins him down, and strikes that ankle, it's game over for Achilles. I never stated bear hugging would kill Achilles, what I stated was that if Hercules did do that, Achilles would still be hurt, just not dead. And my point was clear too: that Achilles once cornered and at the mercy of the power and awe of Hercules, It won't matter how much sword training Achilles has, once in the pin and Hercules hits the weakness, that's all she wrote. The signal of a won debate is when someone drops a point. My opponent dropped 3 against me. I dropped none. My opponent tries to LIE several times in the debate. I caught him on it. Look it up for yourself if need be. And finally, I formulated an argument in which not only explained why Hercules was better than Achilles, but how it would logically play out based on Zeus, Achilles, and Hercules' respective stories in Greek Mythology. If not anything, at least unlike my opponent I knew the difference between the Achaean and Trojans .. another point he drops. Vote for FACTS the real facts, the facts I actually SHOWED unlike my opponent. Vote for an argument that does not rest on a fallacy, and is consistent in Greek Mythology. Vote for principal: that lies are not accepted in a debate. Case and point:Vote for Facts, Vote for Hercules ; Vote for CON! “Saint Petersburg in revolt gave us Vladimir Nabokov, Isaiah Berlin, and Ayn Rand. The first was a novelist, the second a philosopher. The third was neither but thought she was both.” R13; Corey Robin