Abortion

"Progeria like you said is rare so rare that it only occurs in 1 newborn of 4 - 8 million newborns. This birth defect is NOT detectable in a sonogram it only begins to appear in the child’s first 18 to 24 months. If the parent already has progeria the rate rises to 2-3% of the child obtaining this birth defect, in this scenario testing is available to see if the birth defect has been passed down"It really doesn't matter how rare it is, just because very few kids actually get it doesn't mean you can completely cut it off. For example, Company A submits a certain drug. Because only 5% of people would actually need that drug to survive, the drug does not pass FDA inspection. The bottom line here is that it doesn't matter how few people get the disease, at least leave all the options open for them instead of labeling them as "not worth it".Also, since progeria is a genetic mutation, it can technically be tested pre-birth through blood or fluid samples of the fetus."On the topic of downs syndrome I happen to know many children born with downs syndrome. These kids are some of the sweetest and most kind kids there are. "I am really not impressed with anecdotes especially in scientific discussions because it honestly tells me very little. It does, however, tell me that my opponent likes to over-generalize based on personal experience, which is never a good thing. I couldn't care less how sweet or kind they are, these kids are in a variety of pain. The disease makes it very difficult to function normally in both personal and social situations, and also makes them more susceptible to serious diseases. Just because they are sweet and kind doesn't mean that their disease isn't bogging them down and making their life harder than it needs to be. "God has a plan for every single child that lives here on earth some of these plans are shorter than others but sure as heck would not take the opportunity away from them to live out Gods plan!" How do you know God's plan, or even if he has one. Did He tell you? I really doubt you're such an interesting person that a so-called timeless, spaceless, omnipresent, all powerful deity would take the time to have make small talk with you in particular. "If the family didn’t want another child they should have taken the precautionary measures to insure they did not have another child. 1. Tubes tide after the previous child 2. Birth control 3. Condom"Not everyone is as smart or wise as you are. A lot of people are also against the three options you have suggested, so they sure as hell won't be using them. "Like I said in round 2 if the woman didn’t want a child she should not have had sex in the first place and if she just wanted to have sex she should have used contraceptives to prevent the pregnancy"Again, not everyone is as wise as you are. If you want to go on a crusade to educate the ignorant public on the use of contraceptives, be my guest, but until then, this argument is invalid."I have an amazing friend who was abandoned and adopted. She is one of the best people I know. And if you think adoption is a bad thing you are mistaken there are millions of women who cant have children who want children that would love and care for them."Unimpressive anecdote is unimpressive. You can't possibly know what she has been through or how she feels about it. I am not against adoption, but not all adopters are as loving and caring as you may think they are."It is NOT called suffering, its called giving them a chance to live."I take it you also don't want cancer-ridden patients to be given the choice to take their own life because "It is NOT called suffering, its called giving them a chance to live." These diseases, if not VERY painful, are VERY obstructive to the patient's daily life. This is definitely called suffering.And then my opponent links a bunch of stories of genetically mutated babies who were supposedly very happy. At least, their parents were. Again, anecdotes are unimpressive because they tell me next to nothing about anything."But that woman who aborted her baby will never know what the best of her abilities are until she try’s."This is like saying "I've never jumped off a cliff before, so I might as well try and see what happens." or, "I've never taken care of 10 cats at a time before, hell, I can't even take care of myself, but you know, I might as well try." Most people have the capacity to predict the consequences of something even if they have never done it before. For example, I'm pretty sure a pot-head, homeless, gang-affiliated prostitute who lives in a wooden shack and can only eat one meal day knows beyond a doubt that she does not have the capacity to raise a child, should she realize that she is pregnant one day."Based off of what you just said I FORCED her to have sex. But for a matter of fact that was her decision to have sex, not mine, not yours, and not anybody else’s. When you get an abortion you are NOT TAKING CARE of the baby. You are getting rid of your problems instead of owning up to your mistake you made!"This is an incredible example of shifting blame onto the woman. You should also read my argument one more time. I said the woman was forced to have sex. Having sex and becoming pregnant are two different issues. And based on your logic, if I accidentally adopt 20 dogs, I should keep all of them, because giving them up would be irresponsible."But when you keep allowing women to have abortions its like telling the world “Oh you just made a LITTLE mistake, don’t worry about it When in all reality you should be telling them “own up to your mistakes, have the child, keep it or put him/ her up for adoption and move on I will leave you with this......Would you really take your child's life just because they were different?" This is some really strange logic. How is conceiving a baby you KNOW you are not ready for owning up to anything. You act as if these children are like pets, they can either be kept or given away. Do you not realize that children also have complex emotional responses to their situation? It's not as if taking care of a child is easy, even experienced parents and those who are ready for a child have a hard time taking care of one. Taking on an the challenge of raising a child when you know you are not ready is not only selfish but also completely foolish. Doing this solves absolutely nothing, all it does is compound the problem.And no, I would not have my child aborted if they were different, because after all, all children are different. Hell, all people are different. However, if my child was to be born disease ridden or when I am not ready for one, I would definitely abort, as refraining from doing so is extremely selfish. I may love my child with all my heart, but my child would be in pain, physically or mentally. If I truly loved my child, I would not subject him/her to that kind of suffering just so I can get off a few years of happiness or experiment whether or not I am ready for a child. I will close with a quote from one of Aesop's fables, which I think perfectly emphasizes my point:"Give assistance, not advice, in a crisis"