Ultimate Team War - Gateway Planet 2

I shall now defend both my strategies, and maintain the flaws in Pro's plans. 1. Hit 'em fast and hard Charizard simply uses his Skull Bash attack. Bowser, trying to catch Charizard's head in his mouth, instead gets one of Charizard's most brutal physical attacks in the face. Dazed, and with his teeth smashed out, Bowser is even easier prey for my plan. If Bowser did manage it, Charizard could let off a flamethrower directly down Bowser's throat. He might be resistant to fire from the outside, but is unlikely to survive being burned from the inside out. In the wiki Pro provided, http://www.mariowiki.com... , no mention is made of Bowser being able to double his weight. However, he claims in the the comments section that something like 'he can double his own weight' is said in the game. Apart from the extremely dubious nature of this evidence, Pro admits that Bowser only doubles his weight once the move is initiated. Since Charizard has him grasped firmly in his claws, Bowser could not do this. Charizard tosses Bowser when he is very close to the edge of the arena, so Bowser has no time to initiate his move once thrown. Regardless, there is no reason to think that even double Bowser's weight would be a problem, even for tossing off the planet. My reasoning for this is simple. Mario, in multiple games, has shown the ability to grab Bowser by his tail and toss him tens of feet with little apparent effort. Mario is an ordinary plumber, apart from his jumping skills and various items, and does not have any kind of extraordinary strength. Therefore, we must conclude that Bowser is in fact much lighter than he appears. Charizard, who is a large dragon and much stronger than an ordinary human, would have no trouble at all throwing him from the arena. Since Charizard is now using Skull Bash, if Bowser tried to punch him he'd just get a broken knuckle, and again would be captured and thrown from the arena. Furthermore, it is doubtful the twins would have time to use a retry clock, since by this point they would already be engaged in battle with Peach and Sakura. Sakura and Peach would be lifted, in the small amount of time Charizard is moving towards Bowser. Plus, Charizard's head would not plug Bowser's mouth. Sakura smashing the ground would send rubble flying everywhere, smashing into the twins regardless of whether they jump. Additionally, it would destroy the ground completely so the twins would probably lose their footing on the loose rubble left over anyway. If they do manage a counter attack, Peach would make herself invincible to avoid the blow, and Sakura, as a highly trained ninja, would have no trouble avoiding it. Bowser is already eliminated. Even using all of the items Pro lists, it is unlikely that Sakura and Peach, who both have vastly superior destructive powers than either Luigi or Mario, as well as Sakura being the only professionally trained fighter of the bunch, would lose. Any hammer would be no match for Sakura's punches, which have the power to destroy small mountains with a single swing, and Peach's rage power would defeat the twins quite quickly. Furthermore, the twins would be quickly destroyed by Charizard from above- they would hardly be able to dodge powerful, wide range flame attacks from above while simultaneously fighting off Sakura and Peach. 2. Operation Shield. Even if Charizard's head did end up in Bowser's mouth (and pro has given no reason to think that the vacuum mushroom functions in this way), Charizard could let off a flamethrower directly down Bowser's throat. I shall address pipes below. Again, the twins would simply be no match for the two girls. Hiding from Peach's attack by hiding underground is hardly a good idea against an opponent that can utterly destroy everything under the ground in a large radius. I would even say doing so would be suicidal. Hammers would be no match for Sakura's strength or Peach's rage, and mighty meteor (which doesn't always work, as already pointed out) would be dodged/reflected with invincibility. That's assuming the twins even live long enough to use it. Pro seems to have a massive over confidence in Bowser's fighting skills. In fact, throughout the games he has shown himself to be clumsy, predictable and easy to defeat. On the other hand, Charizard is a skilled combatant, whose fighting rage would easily overwhelm the slow, arrogant Bowser. Bowser would hardly be able to dodge the lithe and powerful Charizard's moves, and would eventually be defeated even without the help of the two girls. That said, Sakura can heal from a distance so Bowser would most certainly not be able to eat her while she is restoring Charizard. She can do this almost indefinitely, while Bowser's items would run out. Either that, or she could simply sneak up behind Bowser while he is fighting and grab his tail and toss him off the planet. If Peach came to help (the two girls could do it together, of course), she go behind Charizard to heal him so Bowser couldn't get her, or she could use rage and attack to help, or use joy to blow him out of the arena. The flaws still stand: 1a. It is physically impossible for Bowser to eat warp pipes, by Pro's own definition. Therefore, we must look for other explanations. It is clear from Mario and Luigi that Bowser has an extremely odd, cartoony internal structure. The pipes must be part of that. Or, if this is unsatisfactory, there must be another explanation we don't know about. The point is, Pro's is impossible so it must be disregarded. 1b. This is all completely beside the point, since Pro has not refuted either of my strategies to avoid Sakura or Peach being inhaled. There is no scenario left in either my strategies or Pro's rebuttals for Charizard having to fight all of Con's team at once. 2m. Once again, Pro brings up more non-cannon games to substantiate his point. Again, in neither Mario Kart nor SSBB, are the natures of the characters taken into account when they battle. In this debate, it is clearly stated that they are. Furthermore, in Mario Kart none of the characters actually die when harmed, so that is a special circumstance. 2I. Peach would have no problem going against Bowser, unlike vice-versa, and she could use her Joy attack to blow Mario and Luigi out of the arena without hurting them. Besides, you are the one who thinks they would have no problem attacking one another. 2b. Fine, but he would hesitate in going all out while Peach was there, and that would make him an easier target for team Con. Plus, he would try to control himself to avoid harming Peach. 2ssb. How is it our most reliable source on the subject? It's a completely different cannon (not really a cannon at all, in fact), and is the only point in that game or any other in which Mario shows willingness to even fight Peach. Plus, it's just an arbitrary character assignment, not part of the story at all. Pro is going to have to come up with better evidence than that. This is addressed above. If Peach were to stop other team members from fighting, she would just be lied to and told our team is not going to use lethal force. By the time she found out, the match would be over (worst comes to worst, Sakura ends up knocking out Peach-none of my plans rest on her anyway). 3. Pro concedes this. Pro's plans to inhale both Sakura and Peach lie in ruins, Pro drastically overestimates Bowser's combat ability- team Pro in fact has a significant advantage in this regard, and none of Pro's many fancy items would be able to defeat any of my team. Team Pro would hesitate all the time to avoid harming Peach, while Charizard and Sakura move in with deadly efficiency.