A saved person, a Christian, may sin in such a way as to be eternally lost.

Thanks for your reply. I'm not quite sure I understand it, so I will point out what I view as inconsistencies: 1. I asked, "Ok, if one (a saved person) simply exercises this choice to quit believing and becomes an atheist and dies an atheist - is he still saved?" Your answer: "No." Well, all he did was exercise his choice. So this man (1) once was saved, (2) decided for whatever reason to become an atheist, and (3) became lost, with you as the witness. The proposition reads, "A saved person, a Christian, may sin in such a way as to be eternally lost." And you denied it. And, the best I can tell, you're total negative argument is that the man, in exercising his right to become an atheist, committed no sin in doing so. Well, suppose he becomes and atheist at midnight and dies at 1 AM and didn't commit any sins in that hour, would that work? 2. "Since they chose to reject God, and then sin, they got punished." Suppose they reject God and do not sin, then what? As per your view, you can't send 'em to heaven because they rejected God. And you can't send 'em to hell because they didn't sin. Of course, the proposition reads, "A saved person, a Christian, may sin in such a way as to be eternally lost." You say: "they chose to reject God and then sin, they got punished." That's awfully close to an affirmation of the proposition - not a denial. 3. "The Bible says that this choice whether to serve him or not is not a sin." True, the mere existence of the choice is in no way a sin. It is the exercise of this choice that could be the sin, if one chooses to reject or forsake God. 4. "Forsaking is more of an abandonment issue. Rejecting is more of "I don't want or need you" kind of thing." The difference, for our purposes, is the difference between tweedle-dee and tweedle-dum. If a person forsakes God, God will forsake him. 5. "that his case proves nothing becaue there was no Jesus and the basis of right and wrong were the conscience." It certainly proves it by example. The basis of right or wrong was not the conscious. The basis was the Law of Moses in Exodus 20, especially the ten commandments. Saul broke quite a few of them. No, there was no Jesus; I never said there was. Saul simply serves as an example for us. 6. "I don't care how many sins you list that God says will be eternally lost" For the purposes of this debate, neither do I: it could be one or a thousand. Either way, I have proven my case, with you as my best witness. You have already consented that believers, Christians, may sin and ultimately be lost. "Ok, if one simply exercises this choice to quit believing and becomes an atheist and dies an atheist - is he still saved?" Your answer is: "No." Well, then this saved person did SOMETHING and wound up lost, didn't he? What are you debating anyway? As I said, and correct me if I'm wrong, your entire debate is not whether a child of God can be saved, then lost. You admit this is possible, then claim the person went from "saved" to "lost" and did not sin - or if he did, the sin didn't cause him to be lost. Well, what did, then? Actions are merely expressions of thoughts. What did you say about, ""But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart." (Matt 5: 28)? Not one word. Why? Because the person merely THOUGHT about it, and Jesus is saying it is the SAME THING. According to you, thinking about it is no problem until you really get down to business and physically sin. Rejecting God is not a sin, according to you. Well: "And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually." (Gen 6: 5). I suppose "rejection of Christ" would be a "thought of the heart", wouldn't it? Well, it's evil, isn't it. But according to you, it's "evil" yet it's not a "sin"? "For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies: these are the things which defile a man" Matt 15: 19-20. It's amazing that "evil thoughts" is grouped right in there with "adulteries" and "murders", but according to you, rejecting Christ isn't even a sin. Yet they "defile a man" just the same. "I can't understand how anyone who purports to be a Christian can say that rejecting Christ is not a sin", I think that you are not one to judge me." Oh, I'm not at all judging you as a person. I'm "judging" your con position, and finding it to be contrary to God's Word and contrary to sound logic. I'll stop there, and await your reply.