Whether or not the prophecies in the bible can be used as evidence for the existence of god

Somehow my opponent thinks that I inferred that Hosea knew about how Israel would be re-instituted, but I never said anything of the sort. I willingly admit that he had no idea how it would happen or that he could even fathom that it was possible for it to happen the way it did. All he said was that it would happen. Therefore, the first segment of Pro's argument is nullified. As to the second segment, where he requests that I provide evidence to the claim that the active world powers intentionally made the prophecies come true, it is nearly impossible to prove what was going on inside the head of the world leaders at the time. My saying what I did about the governments was not me claiming that was exactly why and how it happened, I was merely offering a logical explanation based on what is known. I will, however provide what evidence I can that led me to such a conclusion. Perhaps I should have been clearer that I was merely explaining a natural. logical explanation as to how the prophecy came true. I just thought that it would be inferred due to the fact that I have not denied the power of prophecy, I have just denied that such prophecies come from God. While it is true that the prophecies from the ancient civilizations came from math and astronomy, I also used Edgar Cayce as a reference and his prophecies were nothing like that and probably more unpredictable than Hosea's (such as the stock market crash of 1929). The prophecies themselves are not the basis of this debate, it is whether or not they can be used as evidence of god. There is no evidence that these prophecies came directly from god. There is no difference between biblical prophets such as Hosea, Daniel, and John the Revelator or more modern day ones like Ray Bradbury and Edgar Casey except the time period in which they lived. The reasons that I came to the conclusion that it was prophecy causing reality are as follows: 1. The primary countries that were involved in making the re-institution of Israel as a nation were the United States, the United Kingdom, and the Soviet Union. 2. The leaders of those countries were Harry S. Truman (U.S.A.), King George VI (U.K.) and Stalin (U.S.S.R.) 3. President Truman was a Southern Baptist, King George was Anglican/Episcopalian, and Stalin, who though commonly thought of as an atheist, was actually Christian. This is revealed in an interview with his daughter Svetlana Alliluyeva Stalin. (Link #3 below if you want to verify) 4. The USA and the UK were two of the first countries to sign Israel into independence from Britain, and the USSR agreed three days later. With this information you see that the nations with Christian leaders set it in motion. Therefore the conclusion I drew about how the prophecy came to pass is quite logical, but none of that really matters since I said myself in the description that I admit the prophecies were accurate. What I dispute is that they can be connected to God other than the fact that the prophets lived during the time those books of the bible were written. The biggest argument I encounter with this subject is that none of the prophecies are wrong, so let me address that fact. The biblical prophecies are timeless. For a prophecy to be proved wrong, there has to be a time limit on it. Without some kind of time-frame the world can go on forever and still be waiting on it to come true. If I make a prediction that we will create a virus that destroys mankind and say nothing more, then millions of years later it will still not be proved wrong unless the world ends. On the contrary, if I say the virus in question came from trying to cure AIDS then when AIDS is actually cured without a killer virus I would be proved wrong. It is this strategy the biblical prophets used to maintain 100% accuracy, since the only real time-frame given is the end times. Starting with the Rapture, then the Tribulation, the Great Tribulation, and finally the Millennial Kingdom. Since they all fall into the category of "end times" then they will never be proven right or wrong as long as the human race continues. In closing, the biblical prophecies cannot be used as evidence for the existence of God because they are set up to never be proven wrong as explained above and because prophecies and prophets have been around all throughout history and are not inclusive to the bible. It is up to my opponent to dispute these facts and show why and how the prophecies can be accredited to God. Below are the sources for the reasons I gave for the conclusion about Hosea's prophecy. 1. http://www.nndb.com... 2. http://www.adherents.com... 3. http://wiki.answers.com...