LM CLassic Semi-finals: Puck vs Logical-Master

Before I begin, I shall first address this issue (commonly linked to debate theory) which the contender keeps bringing up. CON has made multiple allegations of me changing my arguments at my convenience throughout this debate. First, I'd like to point out that even if you personally believe this, it's nothing more than a clear example of the style over substance fallacy at work. Let us remember that such issues have nothing to do with how convincing an argument is. The only area you could reasonable vote under while adhering to this criteria is conduct. Second, multiple times throughout this debate, my opponent has "adjusted" his position. For the sake of convenience, I shall list each instance in their appropriate sections below. With that being said, on with the debate. >>>>>>>>>>RE: First Contact Part 1 (1 A. Attack on Nate Grey.) First, the ambush is most relevant as the situation (as described by my R1) is Apocalypse making the first move in reading Sinister's mind as soon as possible, only for Mr. Sinister to become aware once this happens. This differs from a situation where Sinister had made several unfair arrangements to be prepared for a mental assault that would have otherwise resulted in Mr. Sinister's not being victorious (as noted by Sinister himself). Second, Apocalypse is not Nate, but was above Nate in power at this point in time. In addition, Apocalpyse has bested both Nate and Cable as well with ease (and he didn't need underhanded tactics). The two have only been successful while at their most powerful. http://www.debate.org... Third, CON's link with Sinister's counter abilities does nothing more than establish the sources which I've provided. As we can see on the following link, Sinister studied each of the X-men extensively ("Sinister KNOWs us! He's STUDIED us!): http://img121.imageshack.us... . Once more, there doesn't exist any such advantage against Apocalypse. Not to mention that the level of psionic power is also a factor. As I've shown above, Apocolypse's powers even rival Nate Grey's at his best. Fourth, CON states that the issue of the mind map is irrelevant since Sage can provide precisely that to Sinister. First, CON did not argue this beforehand. Initially, his counter strategy could be summed up as Sinister countering Apocalypse's telepathy, only to receive assistance from Sage afterwards. Second, even taking his argument into consideration, Sage would be unable to find a mind map. Based on what Sinister says regarding the mind map, he'd need for Apocalypse to read the mind of someone whose neuro locks he himself had designed: http://img682.imageshack.us... . Furthermore, even if Sage somehow could provide the mind map, there is the issue of time. Apocalypse reading Sinister's mind is his first act in this battle, whereas Sinister somehow countering would the 3rd. 1 B. Sinister fears Apocalypse. 1 C. Sinister vs. Professor X. Sinister And yes, this isn't an Xavier vs Sinister battle, but it wasn't a Sinister vs Nate Grey, Jean grey, etc battle either, yet my opponent has opted to use Sinister's victories against such characters as evidence for his position. This is precisely what I'm doing. If Apocolypse can beat Xavier in psionic power and Xavier can beat (or just equal, depending on what arguments you buy) Sinister in psionic power, Apocolypse is superior to Sinister in psionic power. Single reference or not, it confirms my position. 1D Apocalypse's ship is nowhere near the vicinity, thus this is highly unlikely. Even if it were true though, there is nothing in the rules to indicate that his ship cannot be used (no different than Slave 1 or the Predator ship in Feverish's debates). Should CON argue that the ship is too powerful (which it isn't to my knowledge, but still . . .), this is no different than my prior arguments revolving around a tool only being as good as it's wielder allows it to be (in this case, Apocalypse merely boosting his cognition that allows him to detect even the Watcher. >>>>>>>>>>Batman's contingency plan. 2 A. Batman's Motherbox. Spiral doesn't possess psychic immunity. As for Deadpool, even if he succeeds in killing both Batman and Spider-man (or never encounters them), that just leaves him with Super Amazo, Apocalypse, and doomsday to deal with. Hiding =/= Winning. Technically, hiding for the remainder of the battle would render Deadpool unusable since he can't be used to win. If he tries to fight any of the above directly, he is as good as gone. 2. B. Okay. 3.B Spiral's spell. False. Spiral put the spell into effect before Doomsdays decides to attack, provided Sinister's counter to Apocalypse's initial telepathic search was impeded. If Sinister is unable to do this (which I've established), he gets thrown out of the city at light speed, while Apoccy rinses and repeats the strategy on any other member of team CON (just so that no one gets the idea that I'm in any way changing my argument here, note that I listed the blitz each member of CON's team approach as a strategy during R1). Keep in mind the incantation Spiral has to make in order to set up the bubble field in the first place while keeping in mind the speed of Apoccy's own cognition as well as Doomsday's speed. The only 4. Sages Boost. All of that is understood. The question is HOW MUCH can Sage boost the Sinister's powers and how do we know that this will surely end any dispute in regards to the power difference between both Sinister and Apocalypse? My opponent expects more of an argument on my part other than what I've already presented, yet there is really nothing to argue against. As for the psychic plane, this should be counted as instance of CON adjusting his argument. Second, the psychic plane is nothing more than a measure of one's psionic power as well as how skilled they are at manipulating it. There is no question that Sinister's powers are above Psylocke's, but Apocalypse is a different story. http://www.debate.org... 5 A. Amazo's abilities. Keep reading my R1 and we see the following: "And he shall be immune to sneak attacks as well as have an even higher level of awareness thanks to Spider-Man's precognition." Point: Amazo has precog. The nannit assault is a snek attack. With precog, he knows about the nannit blitz before it is even used, thus has ample opportunity to counter it. As for his R1, he does challenge the fact that Apocalyps remains after his first contact, but I refute this by pointing out that even if Apocolypse is encumbered by Sinister's TP, that he can teleport out of it and into's Amazo's range of vision. Furthermore, I point out that there was never anything in my case to indicate that Apocalypse is even anywhere out of Amazo's sigh. Judges, I have not changed my argument. Even if you buy this, the examples of CON adjusting his position should suffice in indicating that his point holds no weight. As for Spider-Sense, I reiterate my comment in my previous round in that Amazo is countering the nannites specifically. The spider sense activating makes him aware that there is danger before the danger itself is present. Upon being aware of this, Amazo has reason to activate his TK/energy shield. This is nothing like my earlier argument where I insisted that Spider-man would dodge the nannites. 5 B. My opponent initially has Deadpool stand and fight as well before the explosives tactic. His conduct here is no different than mine. Once again on the spider sense issue, CON's argument fails becuz the spider-sense is merely being used to learn of the danger, not how to counter it in battle. Thus, like Amazo, upon knowing that Danger will be present (regarldess of confusion), the duo escapes via boomtube. 6. Drop. 6 B. Sinister cannot move at lightspeed, thus cannot react quick enough. Amazo