Evolution occurs

"It may or may not speak to morality, but again, that's not what we are arguing" First you said in round 3, "Evolution doesn't speak to morality.", now you say it "may or may not", contradiction. "Do all animals exhibit morality? Not sure they do, so what does it say to how morality would relate to new species formation?" They do, but they exhibit, herd morality, which isn't objective, Humans have Objective Moral Values. when a cheetah kills a monkey, it doesn't MURDER the monkey, it simply kills it. How did Objective Moral Values come about under Evolution? They Objectively exist, however Evolution cannot explain this, but the idea of evolution claims rape to be right and homosexuality to be evil. "Again, you make a large, completely untrue assumption that rape is preferred, or even possible in all species. It isn't. Drosophila malanogaster females have the ability to reject makings completely, even if 'forced'. " And again Natural Selection would adapt to fix this problem. "You also make a small sexist assumption that males should be larger to rape easier? " I'm being hypotheitical for debate purposes, don't dare call me a sexist, I value everyone equal. the "penetrator" would have to be larger to make rape easier or "catching" the victim easier, there is no sexism involved. also it was you that brought up this argument in round 2 by saying "What about the fact that in a large number of species the female is larger than the male? The cost of rape would be high and not preferred" Why be hypocritical? "Most (if not all) of your arguments focus on the human species. When evolution is the reason for ALL species. We look at rape as a negative, and other species do too. Birds fly, we can't. Does that make they're mode of transportation better? No, it's just what best suits their species. Consensual sex best suits our species so it is possible for it to be selected for." Nope, more procreation would be increased by rape, thus Natural Selection would have chosen it, unless you can demonstrate why mating/consensual sex best suits our species(which doesn't matter because under just our species rape would have been chosen), we have to reject evolution for going directly against a Fact of Reality, that rape is wrong. "You begin to die as soon as you are born, your death argument is still not very clear to me, or how it relates to the ability to pass on DNA to the next generation(?)." "If we are talking about changes in DNA only, you shouldn't call it 'death', it's simply a mutation." No, we ask what caused the mutation, An accident, death, or intent, death can cause a mutation that isn't beneficial, thus we don't need evolution as an explanation. "I cannot stress enough that you need to have the ability to separate things in your mind, and at least attempt to understand the basics of the evolutionary process. - Species have to have the ability to be selected upon, and the ability to pass on what is selected" And Selection is something Intentional, a Selection cannot be Random or Mindless, Intent is used when something is selected, unless you say Randomly happening we cannot have Naturalistic Evolution but only Theistic with any Selection/Intent. "DNA, being the material that is passed on (mostly true) is what is selected (random mutations)." Random mutations can be caused by process of death, no evolution/natural selection needed to explain random mutations. 2, a random mutation isn't a selection.. it's just a random change, a Selection is something... Selected, a Mind is needed for something to be Selected, as Selection(choice) involves intent. "When you say 'intentional' it conjures up the idea that evolution has a purpose, or a goal. If this isn't what you mean, then I'm sorry, I misunderstood. But, if itnis what you mean (I think it is), if you look at the very Berkley Natural Selection article YOU POSTED you'll see that is not the case." If Intentional then there can be Selections, if not, if Random, there is no selection, just luck and hope. "The cause of the mutation doesn't matter, does it? " Actually it does, because say we conclude Theistic Evolution is a Proper Theory, we can easily say that instead of an Evolution guided by God(YHWH), that YHWH made all living things similar and there appears to be an evolution when in reality YHWH just made different levels of species at once, with similar coding. "A mutation in a certain gene happens at random in DNA replication, and this happens throughout life. Or though out the begins of 'death' if you like." Is the random Mutation of DNA a Necessity? Simple. If so, demonstrate. ", you know, rat data is rat data, human data is human data. " This is a fact. "Go ahead and claim victory for this reason, I could really care less." Come on.