super man would stomp goku

I accept your apology. I hope you will find it in you in future debates to get more of a grip on yourself. It would make communicating with you so much easier.I take your comment as a basic concession: "you got me".But I will take the time to explain my argumentation and refute your final rebuttals.1. I say Goku MUST have beaten Mongul. Goku has fought every dead warrior in the Afterlife. Mongul is a warrior. Mongul is dead. He must be in the Afterlife. Goku MUST have beaten him.Now, you say the two are different universes. That is true, but if Goku can battle Superman, there MUST be a connection between the worlds. If YOU want Goku to battle Superman, and YOU come up with Darkseid and Doomsday defeating Goku as arguments, then I can EXTEND those arguments. Basically, you created a shared universe.Even if not, even if Superman and Goku come from different dimensions and ONLY meet for this battle: the Afterlife in Dragonball Z is considered a parallel dimension. So, when people die, their soul goes to a parallel dimension. I say that there is only ONE Afterlife. Why should there be more than one? So, if Mongul lived in Superman's dimension and died, and Superman can cross into Goku's dimension or the other way 'round, then Mongul's soul has gone to that Afterlife. We know this, because Mongul is a conqueror. If his soul could conquer a whole parallel universe and was able to reach it after his death, he would travel there and try.There Goku MUST have defeated him, because he has fought every dead warrior.I admit it's a bit of a far fetch, but that is how I react to aggression. Sorry for the confusion.2. I don't doubt Superman CAN - on occasion - outwit magical opponents. But on the site you linked to, it is clearly stated that Captain Marvel has repeatedly defeated Superman, too. As I said, this is a circular thing.I will try to give you an example you might understand better, although it's not about comics: Rocky III. In the beginning. Clubber Lang defeats Rocky. Rocky trains, has his comeback and beats Lang. So, who is the better boxer? I can't tell. T point is: people change. Have you never had a bad day? Or stopped exercising because of a flu? Does Superman not ever grow tired of all his battles? Yes, he does, I provided a source for that. And after a battle like that with Atlas, will he not be easier to defeat? So, Marvel beating Superman on occasion shows Superman can be beaten by magic. Superman beating Marvel on occasion means Marvel is not as clever as Superman. Who wins the upper hand varies.Do I say Superman will NEVER beat Goku? No, but I don't have to. You say Superman will DEFINITELY defeat and/or kill Goku. All I need to win this debate is prove a single case how Goku CAN win. Had you argued: "Superman will most likely defeat Goku in battle" you would have been right, and I would have agreed with you.But saying Superman would ALWAYS win is wrong.Okay, so here's how Goku defeats Superman:1. "Good Superman": This is not to the death, as both are heroes and this is a sparring matchGoku teleports to Bulma, getting a space suit. Then teleporting away with it.Superman tries to find Goku by listening to his heartbeat. But When he arrives at Bulma's place, Goku has already transported away.Superman flies into outer space, to use his x-ray vision and telescopic vision to find Goku somewhere on Earth.Goku uses his aura detection to locate Superman in space. Goku teleports right behind him. There is no sound in space, and Superman cannot detect auras like Goku. Goku will have ONE blow to finish Superman off. He takes his magic staff, extends it to a great length. This gives the blow more momentum and power. The staff is magical. Goku transforms into God mode for a short moment, like he did against Beerus. He raises his power with a maximal Kaio-ken. Goku hits Superman over the head with all this power and a magical staff. One hit. Superman is highly vulnerable to magic, and he is knocked out. He lands on Earth, wakes up rubbing his head. Goku teleports beside him and offers him a Senzu bean. Both shake hands as Superman admits his defeat.2. "Evil Superman" 1: Knowing that an evil Superman will destroy Earth, Goku has to act fast.He teleports to Bulma, picking up a Dragonball radar and telling Bulma to run.He teleports to the first Dragonball.Superman arrives at Bulma's, because he heard Goku's heartbeat. He finds the place empty and destroys it, realizing that Goku has left a spacesuit behind, which could give him an advantage. Remember Superman's intellect.Goku has collected the first Dragonball, his heart beats a few times, he teleports to the next Dragonball.Superman hears the heartbeat, he gives chase, but Goku is gone already. This continues until Goku has all the Dragonballs. Goku now teleports to the Hyperbolic Time chamber, where he summons the Dragon and wishes for Superman to be turned into something harmless. I don't believe Goku would know about Kryptonite, probably he would have Superman changed into a small living being, a squirrel, for example.Superman is powerless, because he's highly vulnerable to the Dragon's magic. Goku finds the squirrel with his aura detection and promises to change Superman back in a year if he behaves. He then takes the squirrel with him on his adventures to show the evil Superman the ways of the hero again.3. "Evil Superman" 2: Knowing that an evil Superman will destroy Earth, Goku has to act fast.He teleports to Bulma, who says the Dragonball radar is broken. Goku grabs the spacesuit instead, telling her to say goodbye to his family for him and RUN. He teleports away to the Hyperbolic time chamber, where he thinks a few moments.Superman arrives and destroys the empty lab just because of his evil ways.He cannot find Goku, so he flies into space to search for him with his supervisions.Goku detects Superman outside of Earth's orbit due to his aura. He talks with Mr. Popo, who has a lot of knowledge and sends him on a mystical quest to find out about Superman's weakness. Since time on these quests does not really pass, Goku will learn about Superman's history, and realize that Superman is powerless around red suns. He sends a farewell to all his friends and teleports right behind Superman, where Superman cannot sense him coming. Goku concentrates on his next destination, he lays a finger on Superman and teleports both of them into the heart of a red sun, where they both die.Goku and Superman arrive in the Afterlife, where there is no yellow sun. Goku powers up to God form and teleports around Superman. Superman will instinctively use his heat vision to kill the fast-moving target. This is a Ki attack. Goku absorbs it. Superman wastes all of his energy. Now, a fully powered Goku takes his magical staff and pushes the weakened evil Superman into one of the magical tar pits of the Underworld, from which there is no escape (that happened to the Ginyu force).Goku's friends travel to new Namek, collect the Dragonballs from there and revive Goku once more.4. "Evil Goku"An evil Goku will lead Superman on a wild goose chase across the universe to weaken him first, then kill him mercilessly. First, he teleports to Bulma, killing her and taking the spacesuit.He then teleports from planet to planet, robbing each of their energy to build a giant Genki-dama, while each time teleporting away just before Superman reaches him. Because for all his speed, Superman will have to find Goku first. He has no aura detection and must rely on his supervisions. Since Goku does not travel but teleport, there is no trace to follow. Superman will always be behind for a few - let's be fair - MINUTES. This gives Goku time to gather a Genki-dama. Eventually, he will jump into a system with a red sun, as those aren't that rare. Superman flies faster than the speed of light. He can thus not know what colour the sun has he is flying to, because the sun's light moves at light speed only.. When the light of the sun reaches him, it is too late. He loses his powers and gets the Genki-dama, because Goku believes his enemy to be hesitating. But evil Goku has forgotten that the Genki-dama only affects evil beings. Superman shrugs it off.Goku thus believes that his enemy is very strong and is mocking him by just hanging around there in outer space, while in reality Superman is almost powerless. Goku transforms into the evil Golden Were-Ape, one of his most powerful rage forms, and pummels Superman into the sun, where Superman dies. In his rage, Goku forgets that this destroys his spacesuit, and the Were-Ape suffocates. Goku changes back, dying and grinning an evil smirk. He has just defeated the greatest hero ever.Both arrive in the Afterlife, where Superman is powerless, because there is no yellow sun. Goku gets ready to beat the sh*t out of Superman for eternity, but he is transformed into a puffy cloud by the Lord of the Underworld, for cleansing and rebirth. That happened to evil Boo, and he was reborn as the boy Oob. Thus, the match ends with a win for Goku, as Superman never had a chance to fight back. In every scenario, there is a risk of failure, but still: I have successfully shown that in every scenario, Goku can possibly defeat Superman.Wonder Woman's mistake was to try and take out Superman by force in our solar system. Her arrogance led to her defeat. So close to a yellow sun, Superman can only be beaten by the likes of Mongul. But Goku is not arrogant. He is the most humble of all fighters. So, he will plan ahead, as he has always done, and use every trick in his box.Could this go the other way? Yes, but there is a measurable chance of Superman losing, and that belongs on record.However, luckily both are good guys and would be great friends, so we'll never see the day.I thank my opponent for his great conduct in apologizing to me and would like the audience to take that into account.This was - in the end - quite some fun after all.Thanks all, take care.