Road safety should not be compromised by the clothing preferences of the obese

My pleasure. 1. Generalization Pay attention to how Brian admitted that he did not do any research on this topic. Not minor, not moderate, but absolutely no research. That is fine. But, you cannot create contrast in statistics, bring pre-argumental evidence and opinions from experts, and have consistent and logically bound arguments without doing research and confirming or at least enhancing your hypotheses, which are the basis for your arguments. Brian does not help himself very much by coming with what is called an irrelevant conclusion. Obese people have not won olympic medals in running events, therefore we can generalize obese people in all situations. But the fact is, we cannot generalize their abilities in all situations because the example of winning an olympic medal in running events applies only within the boundaries of the example itself. 2. Not only the obese Brian pointed out that there are other people who are obligated to wear visibility vests. Correct, but that is totally irrelevant to my point. For one, Brian's sources speak of different countries. Two, as a pre-set response to Brian's question, I pointed out that forcing the obese to wear visibility vests would raise numerous questions, such as who is obese, where do we put the limits, and so on. Besides that, Brian showed no relevant statistics to us, which only further reflects my points that if the obese have to wear the vests, then we have to be fully aware of whether or not they pose a greater traffic danger than other people. I have not seen the evidence. 3. Personal responsibility Pro conceded that motorists are personally responsible for driving safely. He moved on to say that the pedestrians have an equal responsibility within the limits of traffic. That sounds reasonable, but then again it goes off the example you gave. If the problem is the driver not slowing down, then the problem is the driver not slowing down. I said that many people do not walk quickly over the road, and Brian responded by saying that others (besides the obese) are forced to wear high visibility vests. Disregarding the irrelevance, I have to raise the question that if so many people cross the road slowly, then is it not a general truth, and not a specific problem? If it is a general truth, which evidence points toward, then the driver should slow down whenever he sees any kind of person instead of trying to figure out what the weight of the person is. 4. Statistics Again Brian conceded that obese drivers are more at risk of road accidents, but once more he completely missed my point. The statistics were in favor of my case, not his. This debate is not about obese drivers, but rather obese pedestrians. And once again I see no relevant statistics from his side. Do obese pedestrians pose a greater traffic risk as pedestrians than other people? I do not think so. I would like to change my opinion on the matter if someone brings evidence, but Brian has not done so. In fact, I would like to further strengthen my argument about the driver's responsibility. According to various sources, the United Kingdom has over 50% of its population being overweight and a significant fraction being obese.[1] It is common sense that a person should be informed about this so that he can slow down in due time whenever he sees a person crossing the road, rather than forcing every obese person to wear something that is completely unnecessary. 5. Functionality of the visibility vest Although Pro calls my argument a non-starter, I think he has no reasonable evidence for that. He said that drivers with poor eyesight or drunk drivers should not be behind the wheel at all. But, his argument is, by definition, self-defeating. A driver is one who drives a car, so whether he should have entered it in the first place or not is completely irrelevant to the argument I made. I do not think that it is needed to put forth statistics about drunk driving, in case people want evidence for its evils. The example of black people at night is valid in itself. Although Brian responded saying that black people are able to run away in a dangerous situation, I still do not see how he can actually prove that. If it is night, and neither the driver nor the road-crossing black pedestrian have good awarenesses, then I do not see how that is somehow less risky than an obese person crossing the road at any random time. The fact is that both groups of people risk being hit by a car at random times, and forcing both to wear visibility vests would be more appropriate than forcing only the obese. But, then we have the problems I mentioned earlier, which makes the entire proposition irrational. 6. Discrimination, closing comments I agree that this could help the obese and the traffic, but it could also help them if the obese got locked up in their homes and/or were only allowed to walk around their neighborhood. The fact is that neither propositions are reasonable. I do not see evidence for Brian's claims. All he came with were his own opinions about the question at hand. There are too many overweight and obese people. Forcing the majority of the American population to wear high visibility vests would be illogical based on the fact that if so many people are obese, then any driver should know that he should slow down before a pedestrian. Thank you too. | Reference | [1] http://www.annecollins.com...