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Cristiano Ronaldo is a better soccer player than Lionel Messi

This is an argument that is always talked about, the Ronaldo vs Messi battle. Now it just so happens that they each play on each others rival team. Ronaldo on Real Madrid and Messi on Barcelona. The question comes down to who is the best? People say its Messi other say its Ronaldo but I will settle this question right now. Ronaldo is overall the better soccer player. He has the skills that can make him do great things for any team he plays for. Cristiano Ronaldo dos Santos Aveiro was born on February 5, 1985 in Madeira, Portugal, a small island off the western coast of the country. It was through his dad's work as an equipment manager at a boy's club that Ronaldo was first introduced to the game of soccer. By the time he was 10, he was already recognized as a phenomenon - a kid who ate, slept, and drank the game. "All he wanted to do as a boy was play football," his godfather, Fernao Sousa, recalled for British reporters. "He loved the game so much he'd miss meals or escape out of his bedroom window with a ball when he was supposed to be doing his homework." By his early teens, Ronaldo's talent and legend had grown considerably. After a stint with Nacional da liha da Madeira, he signed with Sporting Portugal in 2001. That same year, at the age of 16, Ronaldo had an incredible performance against Manchester United, wowing even his opponents with his footwork and skill. He made such an impression that a number of United players asked their manager to try and sign the young player. It wasn't long before the club paid Ronaldo's team more than ï¿½12 million for his services - a record fee for a player of his age. Ronaldo, however, did not disappoint. He showed his promise early on in the 2004 FA Cup final, scoring the team's first three goals and helping them capture the championship. In 2008, a year after signing a five-year, ï¿½31 million contract, Ronaldo again justified the high tab when he put together one of the club's finest seasons in history, setting a franchise record for 42 goals scored, and earning himself the FIFA World of the Year honor. In all, Ronaldo helped steer Manchester United to three Premier league titles. As good as Ronaldo was on the field for United, his commitment to the club came under constant question. Speculation swirled that he wanted to play elsewhere. So in 2009, when Real Madrid agreed to pay United a record $131 million for the chance to sign him, nobody was surprised to see Ronaldo leave the club. In addition to his FIFA World Player of the year award, Ronaldo has also won the coveted Ballon d'OR, the Golden Boot, and been named the UEFA Club Forward of the Year, among other honors during the course of his career. Ronaldo came out at 16 impressing and turning heads in the world of soccer. Now for Real Madrid he led them to a victory over Barcelona the other night, putting up a goal for them. It is shown that no matter where you put Ronaldo he will do great things for that team, unlike Messi.
Cristiano Ronaldo is a better soccer player than Lionel Messi

OK, I'll go over the points quickly, as there's not much to say:My opponent's only rebuttal to the fact that Ronaldo cheats is that "Messi does it too", and does not dispute the fact that Ronaldo does it many times more. He also does not dispute the fact that the fans like Messi many times more than Ronaldo. My opponent, further, has not substantiated anything he has said. "A key player is someone that can make things happen and score goals in free-kicks, penalties, headers, shots (both feet) and 1 vs 1. I have seen Ronaldo blast a shot and score with his weaker foot. Of course Messi can score with his weaker foot but most of them are close range finesse shots. Just lightly placing the shot in the goal is not as good a ripping a shot from 25-35 yards out with your weaker foot. Out of 10 free-kicks Messi will probably socre 2-3, but Ronaldo will score a good 7-8." The following has no citation, no justification, but simply is stating this as fact. Unfortunately, it is nto true. www.RONALDO7.net: Ronaldo vs Messi - Stats table I Season: 2011-2012 Cristiano Ronaldo Lionel Messi La Liga matches so far 23 23 Games played 23 23 Minutes played 2084 2076 Goals 28 27 Assists 7 8 Shots on Target 63 70 Passes 824 1267 As the table shows (sourced above) Messi, with less time on the ball, has had more shots on target, more assists, and 400 more passes than Ronaldo, at the cost of a single goal. Bearing in mind that Ronaldo had ten penalties that seasn (http://www.ronaldo7.net...), it is unreasonable to hope Messi scores more. In fact, it's testament to his skill.My opponent, in the end, resorts to simply attacking me by saying " I am starting to feel like you are running out of things to talk about." The fact of the matter is, if a player cheats to win games, then he is automatically a terrible player. If Messi did steroids, then he would be one of the worst players imaginable. The best players are role models. What is Messi a role model for? He provides a figure of kindness, and a man who overcame adversity from illness and plays like a professional. Ronaldo plays like a spoilt kid who wants to win, no matter the cost. Who is the better player? Who is the better man? Lionel Messi. Motion denied.
Cristiano Ronaldo is a better soccer player than Lionel Messi

PLEASE MAKE AN ARGUMENT OTHER THAN DIVING, CHEATING ETC. EVERY SOCCER PLAYER THESE DAYS DIVES! Im sorry for possibly blinding you but you keep making the same point over and over. It is actually funny because I am here making all these points that also are critical in determining who is a better overall player. Yet you keep saying Ronaldo cheats and thats why Messi is better. In that video compilation it was also recent videos as well, so the whole "he was young" thing doesnt really work with this one. Ronaldo can do so many things that Messi can do but also so many things that Messi cant do. A key player is someone that can make things happen and score goals in free-kicks, penalties, headers, shots (both feet) and 1 vs 1. I have seen Ronaldo blast a shot and score with his weaker foot. Of course Messi can score with his weaker foot but most of them are close range finesse shots. Just lightly placing the shot in the goal is not as good a ripping a shot from 25-35 yards out with your weaker foot. Out of 10 free-kicks Messi will probably socre 2-3, but Ronaldo will score a good 7-8. I feel like you are just trying to win an argument that you dont really know anything about. You keep giving me videos and website links. Things I already know, but you dont seem to make any detailed explanations about how Messi is better. You dont talk tactics or skills, all you talk about is cheating diving etc. Of course that would have been a good topic maybe in one or two of the rounds, but EVERY SINGLE ONE? Come on, I am starting to feel like you are running out of things to talk about. I want details, I want to know how Messi is the best player even though out of Barcelona he doesnt seem like the best, he doesnt play like the best. Ronaldo plays like the best on every team he is on. Why? Simply because he is the best. MOTION AFFIRMED!
Cristiano Ronaldo is a better soccer player than Lionel Messi

Video1st tackle: (spoiler) Start with the most incriminating evidence: not the best of ideas. The tackle was poor, and in the penalty area. When Messi was young. Which, again, is something I admitted: Messi was worse than Ronaldo, say, 5 years ago. 2nd fall: When one player headbutts another, it's a foul. When it's slowed down massively to make it look incriminating, you're clutching at straws.3rd tackle: The four replays usefully show how the tackle was bad, and from moving out of a stepover, balance is already poor (something Christiano Ronaldo knows a lot about). He was tackled badly, and fell from a bad tackle. I can post other people getting tackled if you want?4th... something: I love this one. He spits on the ground, which is common. Therefore, he's worse than Ronaldo. Awesome.5th run: Messi runs in, messi goes into Raldes. Raldes gets pissed off and gets unreasonably close to Messi. Messi backs off, although almost doing something he'd regret. Being a decent bloke, he doesn't do anything more, and gets over it. I can't help but think Ronaldo bursts onto the scene 5 seconds later and starts shouting for a red (see England Match video). 6th Header: I don't even understand the problem with this. A header that went awry. The injury was either bad luck, or excessive by the Inter Player.7th Kick: I don't know what Messi was trying to do for certain, but I'd probably say he was trying to stop the ball o.e. But even if it was malicious to some extent (which the evidence would not support), Pepe was being over the top about what just happened. Oh, and then an incriminating still which could have been taken at any moment in time, without any context whatsoever. Then there's just a load of out of context moments.But don't take my opinion. Hear it from the crowd (in this case, the video comments):"You saw him dive twice! 4 min video and only 2 dives? The rest are just moment of heat in the game, every single player has them...""For all the times he's fouled and doesn't get a call you would have hours of footage. Ronaldo dives this many times in one game." (emphasis added)"hahaha pathetic attempt to make messi look bad"Those were the top comments. No other video on the side are incriminating to Messi: most of them promote him. One of them was this (vid). Conversely, Ronaldo masses of videos highlighting his cheating nature.http://www.youtube.com...So, we've learnt that Messi does not dive, and is overall a more moral player than Ronaldo. We've learnt that Messi is also the people's favourite. Also, Messi is Ronaldo's favourite. ""He [Messi] is now the best," said Ronaldo bluntly, according to Sport."[1]Regarding the awards, notice how they end at 2008. Messi's awards (http://www.lionel-messi.eu...) are mostly 2010/2011. In short, Messi is, as of this date, the better player. Motion Affirmed.http://www.goal.com...
Cristiano Ronaldo is a better soccer player than Lionel Messi

http://www.youtube.com... Just so my opponent doesnt feel left out about being the only one putting up videos. Obviously Messi likes to cause problems as well, which happens in soccer. That being said it doesnt really have anything to do with who is the better soccer player. Now a days almost every player cheats, dives, fouls etc. Thats why soccer is such a competitive sport, players take it real seriously and do those things. Unfortunatly you are wrong in thinking that Barcelona or seen as "close second". In Spain they are the best, seeing that they have won more titles and cups recently than Real Madrid. This year Madrid finally came on top and that was because of Ronaldo. The point that you seem to keep avoiding is how Messi can only make things happen on Barecelona. Take him aways and put him on another team and I'm pretty sure he wont give as many results as he does now. Ronaldo on the other hand can probably play on any team and still give results. That my friend is what I call a true soccer player, as a coach would you want a player that can play on any team and give you results? Or a player that can only give you results if he has certain players with him for example Xavi, Fabregas, Iniesta. Cristiano Ronaldo awards and achievements in football. Bravo Award: 2004 UEFA Euro 2004: Team of the Tournament FIFPro Special Young Player of the Year: 2004-05, 2005-06 Portuguese Footballer of the Year: 2006-07 UEFA Team of the Year: 2003-2004, 2006-07 FIFPro World XI: 2006-07 PFA Young Player of the Year: 2006-07 PFA Players' Player of the Year: 2006-07, 2007-08 PFA Fans' Player of the Year: 2006-07, 2007-08 PFA Premier League Team of the Year: 2005-06, 2006-07, 2007-08 FWA Footballer of the Year: 2006-07, 2007-08 Barclays Player of the Season: 2006-07, 2007-08 Barclays Player of the Month: November-December 2006, January 2008, March 2008 Barclays Golden Boot: 2007-08 Barclays Merit Award: 2007-08 European Golden Shoe: 2007-08 UEFA Club Forward of the Year: 2007-08 UEFA Club Footballer of the Year: 2007-08 And so there is no contreversy http://www.cristianoronaldo.moonfruit.com... that is the website where I got those awards that Ronaldo has one in his career.
Cristiano Ronaldo is a better soccer player than Lionel Messi

To respond to my opponent's point quickly: My opponent states that Messi has scored a "Hand of God" (against Espanyol, if I am correct), and this therefore is worse than the dozens of times that Christiano Ronaldo done it. As evident from my first video from the previous round, Christiano Ronaldo does not care that he cheats, and outright promotes it, (as evident from the wink to the camera) and gets involved repeatedly and unnecessarily in "fouls" to stir trouble, and go against the spirit of the game. Messi's single handball was criticised horribly around the world, but the following things need to be said: Messi was very young at the time Messi had never done it since. With this in mind, we can see that Messi learnt from his mistake, and stopped cheating. Evidently, this is when he became to become such a great player: when he stopped cheating. Also, I'd like to point out the irony of my opponent insinuating that Manchester United are "underdogs" whilst Barcelona are not. Manchester United (except this season) are well known as being the champions of the British league, and are unchallenged on this fact. Similarly for Real Madrid, they were seen as the most likely winners, and in Spain are seen as the "champions".Conversely, Barcelona in spain are seen as the "close second" to Real Madrid. Also, I'd like to point out that recently, Messi "won both the Ballon d'Or and FIFA World Player of the Year in 2009, and won the inaugural FIFA Ballon d'Or in 2010 and 2011 ... the 2010–11 UEFA Best Player in Europe Award and many other awards. Ronaldo just cheats.
Cristiano Ronaldo is a better soccer player than Lionel Messi

Whether Ronaldo dives or not it doesnt have to do with whos a better soccer player. Those were just some fun facts that I forgot to cite but thank you for bringing that up. Glad to know we have the same interest in websites. I wont get as technical as you and post videos, instead I'll just let you look it up instead. There have been some claims were Messi has tried to score with his hand aka "Hand of God". Now Ronaldo may dive, but in the world of soccer today who doesnt dive? It is sad to say but almost every player dives whether its to get a foul close to goal or even a oenalty kick. It's sad but soccer has become so competitive that players will do anything for their team to score and win. Trying to score with your hand seems to be pushing it a little to much. Yes, at times Ronaldo may be a little too sensitive, but he is still a phenomenal player. What makes him the best is that he can play on any team. Messi on the other hand is great with Barcelona and gives them results, but what has he done for Argentina. Although U-20 is good, when it comes to the World Cup its the top players that play for their country. With the players Argentina has im surprised they cant put up results. Ronaldo on the other hand gives results for Portugal which in my opinion not as strong of a squad as Argentina. In Manchester United he gave them results and from what I recall beat Barcelona I think in the 2009 or 2010 UEFA Champions League torunament. If im not mistaken Ronaldo actually scored the goal that beat Barcelona. On Real Madrid it was a rocky start for the team with all these new players but this year again Ronaldo gave Barcelona and the Spanish League some competition. He is up there right now with Messi for most goals in the league. I bet you no matter what team Ronaldo is on he can give them results. Messi need those specific players on Barcelona like Iniesta, Xavi etc to feed him those amazing passes and leave him one on one with the goalie. Of course there are times where Messi does it himself but Ronaldo has him beat still. He has the speed, ability to score headers, free-kicks, and the footwork. Out of those things Messi has the speed, definatley has the footwork. Somehow free-kicks and headers arent really his strengths. He is too small to beat defenders in the air, and doesnt have the skill that Ronaldo has to score off set-pieces. As a soccer fan I dont need the internet or videos to make my point. Do I know Ronaldos full anme and where he came from and all that? No, but all of this you wont find word for word off a website. I dont need videos or anything to make my argument. This is 100% raw and thats why people should vote for PRO. The Con argument just showed tow videos saying Ronaldo cheats. This isnt who is a bigger cheater? This is who is a better soccer player. Of course cheating is not being a good soccer player but there are more things than cheating that qualify into what makes a good soccer player. Messi cheats as well.
Cristiano Ronaldo is a better soccer player than Lionel Messi

Why Ronaldo is a bad player:1) He cheats (see first video)2) He dives(see second video)My opponent, in a similar fashion, has only posted an argument that is c/p from the following source:http://www.biography.com...For this reason, I urge a vote CON. http://www.youtube.com...http://www.youtube.com...;
In the United States, private ownership of handguns/normal guns ought to be banned.

The debate is for Lexus.Resolution: In the United States, private ownership of handguns ought to be banned.Definitonshandguns: small type of gun used for one handprivate owneship: anything that is owned from a person banned: a stopped to, declineRules1. Forfeiting is a loss of conduct2. Sources have to be in the debate. If you can't, then you have to post your sources in the next round. Example: The debate is 8000 characters, and you wrote 7900 in your arguments. You need to put sources. Then, you have to post that you will put your sources in the next round, and in the next round, you will have to post your sources.3. The BoP will be shared4. No trolling5. No kritiks6. No semantics7. No source wars8. No source spams (over 20 sources a round.)9. Failing to follow my rules, you lose all points to the opposing side. (1 is an exception.)Thanks. I hope for a awesome debate! I thank Lexus for accepting this debate. Remember, there are no kritiks. If you do have any, you lose.
In the United States, private ownership of handguns/normal guns ought to be banned.

I will quote my opponent's round. "We return to the question of Lenin, that of "what is to be done?" I won't spoil the secret for my opponent for what is to be done, hopefully they can figure it out by themselves!(Hint: there is no private ownership in death!)"I will answer my opponent's round. "What is to be done?" is a very vague question. In can be in any situation, and my opponent proivdes nothing. It can be many different things, depending on the situation. I will say, depending on the situation.My opponent says that the secret should not be spoiled. I already said that, it depends on the situation. My opponent should make clear arguments, so the voters should understand, and I am pretty sure that the voters won't understand. My opponent is still off-topic, and does not say anything about handguns. My opponent cannot make new arguments because I can't refute them. My opponent's hints are bad. My opponent says that there is no private ownership of death. This is confusing. The topic is not about death, it is about the private ownership of handguns. But my opponent does not argue this, he is arguing a truly different topic. I am very dissapointed on how this debate went. My opponent did not make any clear arguments, or any arguments, and did not refute my case. I extend my case, and my rebuttals. Therefore, vote CON!!!
In the United States, private ownership of handguns/normal guns ought to be banned.

I will make my rebuttals this round. RebuttalsMy opponent addresses a quote. This is not useful, because first, he didn't quote or even cite his sources. Second, this is realy off-topic. He does not talk about hanguns or normal guns at all. This isn't even an arugment. The quote is about a gift is unknowable, blah, blah, blah, nothing about the actual topic. This is an off-topic argument, and the argument is rebutted. My opponent creates a poem. I will quote it here. "Not a star will remain in the night. The night itself will not remain. I will die and with me the sum Of the intolerable universe. I’ll erase the pyramids, the coins, The continents and all the faces. I’ll erase the accumulated past. I’ll make dust of history, dust of dust. Now I gaze at the last sunset. I am listening to the last bird. I bequeath nothingness to no-one. " I think the poem is about dying, and your last day. It is abotu everything destroyed, the last things he looks at, dying, etc. This again, is off-topic. This does not talk about handguns, or normal guns, therefore this argument is rebutted, or basically not a argument. Conclusion My opponent' arguments are all off-topic. They aren't really arugments after all. A poem, and a quote, both nothing related to this topic. If anyone who wants to debate this seriously want to do this, I invite them so. K's are banned, but this is even worser than a K. At least a K is on topic. My opponent's arguments are all rebutted, or off-topic if you want to call it like that, therefore you know the right choice.
In the United States, private ownership of handguns/normal guns ought to be banned.

This round is solely for my constructive, I will provide rebuttals in the next round. I am a suicide bomber. Let Fernando elaborate in great detail:The poet, irremediably split between exaltation and vulgarity ... functions as a contaminant for philosophy ... The poet as genius continues to threaten and fascinate, menacing the philosopher with the beyond of knowledge. Philosophy cringes ... It is not a relationality that seeks to impose a particular, single, meaning, reading upon another ... the borders are not drawn, the limits are not set ... there are always rules to seeing ... poetry ... risk[s] the exchange that [it] might expect but [is] at the same unable to count on ... Once the poem is set off, the poet remains completely blind to its effects. Once the bomb is set off, the suicide bomber is completely blind to its effects ... Perhaps it is the fact that (s)he remains an enigma that is her gift to us. It is this refusal to be understood, to be subsumed under any existing conception, to be flattened, exchanged, reproduced, that is her gift. And in that same spirit, it is not a gift that can be understood—this is not a gift that one can bring to the return-counter at the shop, to be exchanged for something else, something more palatable, something easier, something more comfortable, more comforting. This is a gift that is unknowable, in full potential, always possible; perhaps always a gift that is to come ... This is the point where the eternal question of the serpent, that of ‘what did (s)he mean’, returns to haunt us, along with the ... question of Lenin, that of “what is to be done?” ... Hence, each answer, each ‘definition’ to the question can only be accomplished as a more or less provisory, more or less violent arresting of a dynamic that is interminable, but never simply indeterminate or infinite. I do lots of things. Among blowing myself up, I also promote an ethic of dissolution from dominant structures -- I remove myself from the topic as a means of breaking it down. Poetry prevails. Not a star will remain in the night. The night itself will not remain. I will die and with me the sum Of the intolerable universe. I’ll erase the pyramids, the coins, The continents and all the faces. I’ll erase the accumulated past. I’ll make dust of history, dust of dust. Now I gaze at the last sunset. I am listening to the last bird. I bequeath nothingness to no-one.