For the sake of the Dems, the delegates in Florida and Michigan should NOT be counted at the DNC.

Welcome all. Before we begin I would like to state that I am an Obama supporter so take that into account with my arguments in case of bias. A. Background The nomination of a president is a very complex system. It has evolved from a celebrity type selection process with our founders to the current party based system. This is due to many reasons; some being obsolete into today's flat world, some being more relevant, and some being slightly relevant. The point is that we selected a nominee within a political party framework. The DNC (democratic national committee) attempted to oversee the current nominee process. Certain states were picked to go first for various reasons. The most important being that campaigning in these small states is more effective than T.V ads so the "better" candidate and not the "richer" candidate should prevail. Our country has moved up the nominee process in recent years. The DNC attempted to limit "early" primaries and caucuses by selecting certain states to go before a certain date. Before any primary or caucus dates were set it was clarified that any state who holds a nomination process before a certain date would not be able to participate (send delegates) to the Dem convention to elect a nominee. Two states, Michigan and Florida, moved up there nomination dates in defiance of the DNC rules. Michigan went first out of these two states. All the major democratic nominees besides Hillary Clinton withdrew their name from the ballot. All the major nominees agreed not to campaign in these states w/o permission from the DNC. Florida went second and neither candidate could withdraw their name from the ballot. Hillary was in Florida idling on the tarmac as the polls closed and she gave a speech that was announced two days prior to the election. Obama played a television ad on CNN, though he did get permission from the DNC to do this after CNN informed Obama they could not pull the ad in only one state. Both candidates campaigned here to a degree imo. Assuming one gives all of Michigan's non-hillary votes to Obama and one divides Florida's up as the tally came in, there is a 67 delegate net gain for Hillary. Obama currently is leading by over 100 total delegates and many more pledged delegates than that according to realclearpolitics.com The state's can hold a new primary by party rules that will count but the cost is prohibitive (approximately $6 million). B. Arguments 1A. It is unfair for these two states to move up their process and to not get punished as was laid out. If we allowed this to happen then any state could go first instead of the balanced few chosen by the DNC. Therefore campaigning would be less effective and the candidate w/ the most money for T.V ads should win more often. 1B. If states don't have to follow party rules then the DNC will crumble. 2. One cannot divvy up the votes fairly. The primaries gave a biased result at the time they happened compared to what normal results would bring. In a place where no or little campaigning occurs, the person with the initially most known name tends to prosper. Hence, more people would vote for Clinton than if campaigning occurred. What about in Michigan where Obama got no votes but uncommitted got 44+ %. Do we give all the uncommitted delegates to Obama? What about Edward's supporters who would have voted for him? Do we disenfranchise them at the behest of other MI and FLers? 3. In the election I assume we will be going against John Mccain who attracts many dem and independent voters. If we do not count MI and FL delegates the DNC still has the moral high ground with their electorate as a rule was knowingly broken. If the DNC caves in many, myself included, will be upset at the weakness of the DNC administration and will switch sides. The presidential election will be lost if the DNC unconditionally reinstates FL and MI. (I will ad that if by some miracle the MI and FL delegates would help Obama reach the nomination such that they make his total be 2025 or more delegates and these states are still reinstated I will vote Mccain unless something more pressing comes up).