Conditional Election

If it is revealed by scripture, If God chose to save a certain way. . . He could do that. I have a problem with conditional election because mainly I don't think it's scriptural, And along with that not logical as well. The former takes place over the latter I have failed to actually give you a complete explanation as to why I think we have conditional election. I will do my best to explain this fully with scripture and logic: Logically, No man can love another without choosing to do so (you agree because you believe in free will also, Just after regeneration). Here, If I continued my argument, You would make the point that man can not be compared to God. My refutation to this is that this is similar to a marriage situation and Paul compares the church and Christ to marriage itself. God chooses to love whomever He pleases, Under the condition that He is in line with what His attributes are. (Romans: you know where). In the Bible, It states and there is evidence that God desires relationships with mankind (1 John 1:3, Why then would we be called to pray without ceasing? 1 Thessalonians 5:16-18, God walked with righteous men like Noah and Enoch). No true relationship can be established if both do not commit and respect, Correct? I reason that God laid aside His (this is the logic and reason part because it is not explained to us in the Bible which doesn"t mean it can"t or can be true) omnipotence (Jesus did so when He became fully God and man) and set back and let man either reject or accept (John 12:37-50) His Words. If Christ says that one can reject Him or even repent and believe and His sayings, I do not understand how there is no choice before one is regenerated. God created all men with a will and choice to enter into fellowship with Him. He, In His omniscience understood that there would be those who would reject Him, But I conclude that He created them for His ultimate glory and in doing so, He was quite merciful. God still used them so that when they finally saw His face and were judged for rejecting Him, They would at least know that they brought Him glory somehow. I believe those in hell will wish that they could have made the right decision on earth, But God set a "time line" literally and it will be too late by then. For the whole total depravity thing, I will simply state that I am struggling with my beliefs on that, So it would be best not to debate it right now. These are my beliefs for God"s motives. Your argument also includes for His glory, And I am fine with that. (If you have questions please ask) It's unmerited by us. If I had a say in the matter, Then I wouldn't choose God. I wouldn't want Him to change me"(rest of paragraphs) You make incredible arguments and ask deep questions! I have told you above that I am on shaky ground with what I believe about total depravity and the Spirit illuminating one"s heart etc. I know that we are dead in our trespasses and sins and that we are born with a sinful nature. I have read that faith comes by hearing and hearing by God"s Word, So is faith given to those who hear God"s word and they either take it or leave it? Is there a different type of faith here and does God give it to everyone? Yeah, I just gonna be honest. I don"t know. I can"t answer your questions, But God can and I will take some of my free time to look at this as soon as possible. You contradict yourself. You say we have to accept His gift AND ask him to regenerate us AND repent (not just one thing). Yes, These are three different things, But they all are apart of salvation. God says in Romans 10:10 that with the heart man believes (this I conclude deals with receiving, Accepting, Repenting and believing) and with the mouth, Confession is made (ask Him or confess to Him our sins and need of Him in our lives). Two main things deal with salvation, The heart (soul/spirit/extra) and the physical body (mouth/tongue). The truths of the kingdom are precious" Here I think I agree with you on most points. I do believe, If we are saying that some cannot understand the parables, Which some can"t, That (sorry if I have already mentioned this) Jesus was on earth for a mission: to die on the cross. If these people did not reject Him at that time, He would not be able to fulfill His promise (Luke 17:25). For your second paragraph, I agree with you completely! I"m not very sure about the last part :) I hope I answered the main points. Thanks for letting me learn and grow in God"s Word with you and encouraging me to dig under the surface. God truly is unfathomable, But we must search Him out to grow a deeper relationship with Him! Please do not apologize for the time limit. I am limited also. Thank you for being willing to put up with my long paragraph"s :) I am overjoyed that you do this for God"s glory only! He deserves all the praise!