Communism is a capitalist concept.

""Reply - We have to ask, when was communism applied, not when was invented."" No, your argument was "I say that capitalists came up with the idea of creating communist countries for the purpose of creating a hidden supply of slave labour. " "If you look of the time line of when these two systems were applied you find that capitalism came first and communism came much later. Communism arrived after World War I in 1917." No, the Russian revolution has absolutly nothing to do with Capitalism. It was the monarchist German government that secretly arranged safe-passage for Vladimir Lenin to return to Moscow from Switzerland in 1917. Moreover, the Germans gave him financing through 1918 with the hope that Lenin would start a revolution that would cause Russia to withdraw its war with Germany during World War I. http://www.history.com... From the moment he arrived in Russia, his progress in Russia was watched over by the Kaisserreich. https://de.wikipedia.org... "Lenin's entry to Russia successful. He is working completely according to our wishes." A Spiegel article from 2007 gives an exhaustive summary about the money connections http://www.spiegel.de...; "For a period of 4 years Berlin supported the Bolsheviks and other revolutinaires in Russia with Money, Ammunition and weapons and thus supported the end of the Czar-monarchy. The Auswärtige Amt alone spend at least 26 Million Mark with a current value of about 75 Million Euro until the end of 1917" At the time this article was published that was approximately 101,835,000 US$. The Russian Revolution Richard Pipes on page 411 claims (on basis of Bernstein) that it was more than 50 million marks in Gold. "This is what World War I was all about - the creation of a new world order." Where do you buy your drugs? "During the larger part of human history, slavery has been a major factor in creating successful economies." Really? Where are these successful economies? I made a red dot which denotes the moment Britain became the first Empire in human history to abolish slavery.So what changed after the red dot? Why didn't we see this massive wealth spike three thousand years ago when the Egyptian empire was 'built' on slavery? Why not two thousand years ago years when the Roman empire was 'built' on slavery? Why not a thousand years ago when the Islamic empires were 'built' on slavery? Slavery is economically worthless. Two things ended slavery: 1. "The rights of man" for the enlightement. 2. Technological innovations created a demand for skilled laborers and created a fall in demand of unskilled labor."During the 19th century the upper classes had grown accustomed to getting cheap mass produced items from India, China and Africa. When slavery was abolished, this supply of cheap items had suddenly stopped."You're just making crap up... India, China and Africa didn't produce ANYTHING in the 19th century. 2/3rds of all goods produced came from the UK and the US. https://en.wikipedia.org..."Thus, we can see that the world didn't have many slaves in the early part of the 20th century. Mechanization had taken up most of this deficit in the production line. Still, some products could not be produced by machine and still needed human labour to produce them. Thus, we have the creation of communist countries to provide this temporarily missing cheap labour force that could produce difficult and fiddly items at minimum prices." What the hell are you talking about?! For the entirety of Soviet Russia and communist china's history, they could not produce enough to feed their own people! And for the majority of the Cold War the US had strict economic sanctions on these countries. "In China, the list of American companies that are manufacturing there is so large that I can only leave the reference -"China's economy stopped the communist controls after Mao died! No American companies existed there when the economy was communist! They were slaves, and working on socalist farms as slaves for generations! After Mao died, the communist party began repealing some(not all) communist/socialist policies that left them all in subhuman misery, starvation, and death-Western companies moved in and set up factories. Yes, we are profiting from those factories. So are the people working in them. They have been offered a choice, work on the socialist farms, or take jobs in the factories...And do you know which they choose? The factories. They choose to work there and many become plant managers and entrepreneurs themselves. Since the reforms, now, because of this horrible stuff you describe half a BILLION people have risen out of starvation and poverty and become middleclass and rich in china. We should be celebrating this. We should be demanding more of this. More freedom, more capitalism, so more people can rise up out of poverty."Times change, the definition of capitalism and communism has changed since their first inception. "No, concepts don't change. A definition must identify the nature of the units, i.e., the essential characteristics without which the units would not be the kind of existents they are. Counties, coultures, and governments change. Pro's position was ""I say that capitalists came up with the idea of creating communist countries for the purpose of creating a hidden supply of slave labour. ""Not only has he failed to provide any evidence whatsoever, and presented nothing but crackpot conspiricy theories that go against all of established history but I believe I have successfully proved that "Communism is NOT a Capitalist concept." by demonstrating that not only did the concept emerge from completely separate locations, but also by separate people, with opposing philosophies and histories', and put into power by themselves and aid from ww1 Germany. I was going to write more on the economic impossibility of Pro's claims... But the burden of proof was never on me in the first place, and if you're like me, you're done with this debate.