Evolution is proven fact... god (thankfully) no matter which language you speak is not proven fact

backwardseden, for some reason, you keep coming up with the idea that God does not support common sense, thinking, reasoning, rationalizing, nor logic. These are all immaterial values that cannot be proven with science unless we use human interpretation (Reason) which atheism and evolution cannot explain because evolution is the UNGUIDED, UNINTELLIGENT, RANDOM process that only reacts; it does not reason. God gave us a mind, and the natural forces of His power that we use all the time, and make up the world. You then mention that evidence and data is not reliable and scientific. backwardseden, I repeat, all of the evidence I gave was from non-Christian sources. That's what I do through scientific evidence and quotes. Stephen Hawkins, Christopher Hitchens (Although I haven't mentioned him yet), Charles Darwin, Richard Dawkins, and C.S. Lewis when he wasn't a christian. You can find these very same arguments through scientific results. You assume that evolution is a complete fact, yet, I am one question above you. You ask, assuming evolution is truth, "Is God real?". Not only I have provided evidence for God, but I ask, "If evolution truly is real, how does that explain reality?" Answer is, it doesn't, its flawed because of reasons I have already listed. Then you continue to define atheism. backwardseden, I don't know why you're doing this. I have given evidence that puts atheism to the test. You say there's no god or supreme beings. I say, there is because it better explains reality. Understand that I am not changing the definition of atheism, and rather, I am giving evidence that atheism is flawed. That's what I did through C.R.I.M.E.S. and the 5 E's. You mention National Geographic's information and evidence for "evolution". backwardseden, this might surprise you, but I actually agree with your scientific evidence that there is a change in living things. THE PROBLEM: You say this is strong evidence for evolution, and I say this is the adaptation of changing living things and the change of ecosystem and environment. None of what you stated is evolution. Evolution is the change of lower animals into more complex ones. This is not happening in your evidence. This is the natural and changing process of adaptation and animals supporting the environment. When you talk about bacteria becoming resistant to drugs, I AGREE. That is adaptation under specific environmental conditions, but it no way this proves the lower animals turning into complex, moral, intelligent, free willed, reasoning, logical beings that is US, human kind as we know it. You also mention photosynthesis, although I don't really see how this is evolution because you state the FACT that plants use the sunshine and turn green. It doesn't reference a previous standard (lower animal or living creature) turning into a complex, thinking one. Plants have always been green backwardseden. Macro-evolution cannot exist because it's flawed. You state you believe in Mother Earth, and her spirit to be specific. If you believe this "entity" is real, and is divine and surpasses human kind, then you are NOT an evolutionist (because evolution is the UNGUIDED, RANDOM, UNINTELLIGENT process that only relies on reaction). And you are NOT an atheist. You, backwardseden, gave me the very definition of atheism. Atheism does not believe in a higher or supreme power that is beyond human kind. Mother Earth, as a divine entity, cannot exist. Why? Going back to the cosmological argument, whatever created the universe has to be immaterial, powerful, intelligent, infinite, personal, and timeless being. Mother Earth is WITHIN time and space. This entity cannot be "god" or a divine power above us all because it is limited within our reality and cannot be higher than that. God however, is outside of time and space, this makes Him God. More than that, Mother Earth does NOT tell us who we are, what we should follow, and what morality is. You make a good point. Philosophy according to me? These ideas and arguments do not come from me directly, although I understand it and can use it to support my worldview. You said you didn't want me to use creationists in this debate, but you ask, who supports this other than myself? To name a few, apologist Frank Turek, C.S. Lewis, Ravi Zacharias, and more information from many apologists and the education and comprehension of the Bible's truth. You list some Bible verses, although I'm not quite sure what you're trying to show me. If you'd explain it for me, I will answer. You question the fact that Jesus not only was in the Old Testament, but also taught that the Old Testament was reliable and was the Word of God. How do we know this is true? The Bible itself, obviously, gives evidence this is true through prophecies and facts. Here is evidence supporting my claim. Isaiah 7:14 "Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel." Zechariah 9:9 "Rejoice greatly, O Daughter of Zion! Shout, Daughter of Jerusalem! See, your king comes to you, righteous and having salvation, gentle and riding on a donkey, on a colt, the foal of a donkey." Isaiah 53: 3-7 "He was despised and rejected by men, a man of sorrows, and familiar with suffering. Like one from whom men hide their faces he was despised, and we esteemed him not. Surely he took up our infirmities and carried our sorrows, yet we considered him stricken by God, smitten by him, and afflicted. But he was pierced for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was upon him, and by his wounds we are healed. We all, like sheep, have gone astray, each of us has turned to his own way; and the LORD has laid on him the iniquity of us all. He was oppressed and afflicted, yet he did not open his mouth; he was led like a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is silent, so he did not open his mouth." These are Bible verses in the Old Testament that show the New Testament is true. More importantly, these prophecies are referenced in the New Testament, and are completed. It is false when you say Christians would disagree with me, because this is one of the MAJOR doctrines of Christianity. backwardseden, strikes are not yours to give, let the voting choose if either atheism or theism better explains reality if you won't choose. Now, you didn't respond my morality question. Let us assume that evolution is completely true. I ask: Why are your moral values better than Hitler's if there is no moral standard we can't appeal to and compare all things with?