The Earth is more flat than it is spherical.

If you knew something that could prove the existence of Divine Creation, and knew that certain "powers that be" were hiding this information from a gullible public, you would be enthusiastic about it too. If you look at civilizations in the past, the ones who built megalithic structures still standing thousands of years later, whose methods are still relatively a mystery, you will see that these civilizations weren't just dumbed down versions of us, they knew it was flat, evolution seems to be going backwards. It is now believed that these civilizations had unlimited power, either with acoustics, or electromagnetism.http://www.enlightened-consciousness.com... It seems my opponent is confused about what constitutes as empirical evidence. His fascination with objects in the sky has taken front seat before the ground beneath his feet. How do we know planets are physical terra firma? NASA? Planets were know for thousands of years as wandering stars because of their movement relative to the other stars. But what if they are simply reflections under water? I know it sounds crazy, believing what the bible says about space, but It sounds far more plausible to me. Full rebuttal continues in round 3, but I must ask my opponent, what reason have you for comparing things in the sky, that appear to be lights by the way, to the physical realm in which you reside? Does the pool stick look at the balls on the table and consider the table is a big ball simply because the balls are? Does the baby think it is sleeping on a colorful toy while laying there watching it's bed mobile? The idea is ridiculous, and stems from first assuming the plane(t) we live on is a globe. Please say this is not your "empirical evidence" To know the shape of the earth we can't depend on lights in the sky, we must look at the earth itself. Particularly distances seen from any point, but this will not matter until you realize one thing that we, interestingly enough, weren't indoctrinated on: the actual curvature expected from a ball that is 25,000 miles in circumference. For some reason, we are not taught this in school. Why not? All they can say is it's so ridiculously massive, that's why there's no curve. Every high school student should be able to cite the allowed curvature over any given distance, and be able to demonstrate it in simple experimentation, but we don't, and we can't. The formula for calculating the curvature of the earth is simple. I'm sure you're going to fact check this, because everyone has to, and no one can believe it. For the first mile should allow 8". Every mile thereafter, you will need to square the mile. So 2 miles should yield 32" of curvature. At three miles, the average human shouldn't be able to see the ground past this point. I'll let Dr Samuel Rowbotham explain it."If the earth is a globe, and is 25,000 English statute miles in circumference, the surface of all standing water must have a certain degree of convexity--every part must be an arc of a circle. From the summit of any such arc there will exist a curvature or declination of 8 inches in the first statute mile. In the second mile the fall will be 32 inches; in the third mile, 72 inches, or 6 feet, as shown in the diagram below."Let the distance from T to figure 1 represent 1 mile, and the fall from 1 to A, 8 inches; then the fall from 2 to B will be 32 inches, and from 3 to C, 72 inches. In every mile after the first, the curvature downwards from the point T increases as the square of the distance multiplied by 8 inches. The rule, however, requires to be modified after the first thousand miles."The following table will show at a glance the amount of curvature, in round numbers, in different distances up to 100 miles.Statute Miles AwayMaths= Drop1mile 1 x 1 x 8 =8 Inches 2 miles 2 x 2 x 8 =32 Inches 3 miles 3 x 3 x 8 / 12 =6 Feet4 miles 4 x 4 x 8 / 12 =10 Feet5 miles 5 x 5 x 8 / 12 =16 Feet 6 miles 6 x 6 x 8 / 12 =24 Feet7 miles 7 x 7 x 8 / 12 =32 Feet8 miles 8 x 8 x 8 / 12 =42 Feet9 miles 9 x 9 x 8 / 12 =54 Feet10 miles 10 x 10 x 8 / 12 =66 Feet"To find the curvature in any number of miles not given in the table, simply square the number, multiply that by 8, and divide by 12. The quotient is the curvation required."As you can see, the curvature of the earth should be very noticeable, for instance, when flying from California to Hawaii, about 2,500 miles, you are flying over a 760 mile high hump of water. This math has been confirmed in cad software. Curvature can be proved wrong with simple magnification techniques like telescopes, binoculars, and the flat earther's favorite tool, the Nikon p900.1. Distances sightedIn an instance where telephoto lenses are not even necessary, a "mirage" was photographed from Michigan overlooking the Chicago skyline, a span of 60 miles, which should be 2,400 ft below the supposed curvature of the earth. When we look at the heights of the buildings in Chicago, we find that The tallest building at 1,450 ft is the Sears tower. We should not be able to see ANY of Chicago from Michigan. Now before you go agreeing with the whole bs mirage thing, think to yourself what an actual mirage looks like, usually inverted, mirrored, partially opaque, and generally distorted, Google some images of actual mirages. Conditions are perfect indeed. This is not a mirage.There are many instances of long distances being seen, and this is something that anyone can confirm, and is empirical evidence of a flat earth.http://www.abc57.com...2. Reflection of light on flat waterStating the obvious, the natural physics of water is to find and maintain a level surface, and has never been shown to be able to curl around a spinning ball (this "fact" is introduced young so it doesn't sound as ridiculous as it does now). Take a look at sunsets on water as the sun kisses the water, the reflection extends in a straight line, extending all the way to the viewer, or edge of the water. Warp a piece of sheet metal and hold it up to a bulb, you will never reproduce what is seen in water until you flatten the metal. This is empirical evidence of a flat earth.3. Flight pathsSome flight paths go in very unusual directions on the globe model, but make perfect sense on what is majorly accepted as the flat earth map (of course, the map can be wrong) I use Delta airlines, as this is the most reputable, and longer lasting airline. When traveling from Argentina to Sydney, every flight makes stops in North America, which is very much out of the way. This distance, on a globe, is about the same distance as Argentina to Alaska, but the Sydney flight takes twice as long, and matches up perfectly with the flat earth map. There are many instances where flight paths exactly follow the flat earth map, and look retarded on a globe, I have found at least a half a dozen so far. This is empirical evidence of a flat earth.