A believer in liberty should be against a Palestinian state

Thank you Ms. whatever your name is for taking up the debate, and i really enjoyed your style of presentation. With that being said let us discuss the issue. I was indeed cryptic in my argument why i think that the basis of liberty is the belief that all men are created equal, but in no way did i engage in a No true Scotsman fallacy i take the liberty to quote myself "the salient point here is what you think the basis of liberty is i.e. what belief system ensures that the individual is respected even when the majority holds different." Now the name of the debate is whether a believer in liberty should be against a Palestinian state, i intentionally didn't write a believer in democracy because there's a major difference. Democracy as opposed to a monarchy or an oligarchy means that the people rule, the government is merely their representation. However democracy does not by definition equal liberty, the key word in democracy is majority rules (rules, not that everyone does as they please that's anarchy).You've probably heard about the arguments here in America in the era of communism what if the majority of America votes in favor of communism what then do we value more democracy or liberty. When we discuss being a believer in liberty yes the literal definition of liberty is permission and power to do or say something (as in the sentence i take the liberty to point out...) and therefore the word liberty could be used to support a country with a few million people having self-determination, however the belief in liberty is the idea that the individual should have the right to act and speak freely or better said "certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness".(A quote from the declaration of independence btw not the constitution although Abraham Lincoln argued (the quite obvious point) that the constitution should be interpreted through the lens of the declaration of independence.) In my humble opinion the basis and foundation of this idea is that all men were created equal and therefore the individual is to respected and allowed liberty even if the majority feels different. The reason why this belief is so essential is because without it when the majority thinks a certain way and very strongly at that what"s to stop them from imposing their opinions on the minority. So yes i disagree with you completely, you said quote "So to be a believer in liberty, means there are no preconditions. As a believer in liberty, the right to self-determination is key and while we shouldn't support states that have such outrageous policies, neither do we have grounds to be-or act against a people who have chosen a path of self-determination and that means the most liberty-loving thing you can so is none-intervention." Of course there's a precondition that is that the people have to respect the individual, your faced by a dilemma what value do you value more democracy or liberty are you willing to sacrifice the rights of individuals (which are now protected wherever Israelis have jurisdiction) for the sake of the majority. Another key point, you yourself said "we shouldn't support states that have such outrageous policies", should we create it and then not support, isn't creating it supporting it.And you make it sound like we don't have to do any act of support for the state rather some "not-intervention" aren't you aware that for the establishment of the Palestinian state Israel needs to expel tens of thousands of Jews from their homes (the reason why i don't say hundreds of thousands is because Israel is never considering such a drastic step all those land swaps in the news you hear about is Israel drawing the border in a way to i incorporate the large amounts of Jews who mainly live close to the green line). Which of course leads me into the final point you mentioned that "is't all conjecture". My point of them not letting a single Jew into their country is not conjecture it's a fact they say it openly. The point about the death penalty is fact not conjecture I"ll give you a link to the Palestinian land laws. And all this is besides for the most basic point that all you have to do is look at their education system about Jews and Israel and the future of the conflict, the Palestinian authority runs about 2,500 schools and studies have been made of their text books etc. not exactly big believers in liberty. You said quote "How ever even if Palestine does these things, I believe you will have a tough time selling the motion that we should be actively against Palestine." I will not even respond to that but i find it incredibly disturbing again like i said just substitute the word Jew with the word black and i think you should be against the creation of Palestine. http://en.wikipedia.org... http://impact-se.org...