I"m Pro-choice, tell me why you aren"t

Which is why I said a human-being/person. Science is constantly evolving and scientists cannot collectively agree on when a fetus is a human-being." It only evolves on some issues. Either a fetus is a human being or a fetus isn't. And the evidence like chromosomes and meeting the criteria for life are evidence that a fetus is a human being. "If at conception a zygote is considered a human-being, it does not make sense that a human-being split themselves in half and create an entire new human-being with the same DNA." Why not. The cell asexually reproduced. It happens right now. My cells are doing it, so are yours, it"s just on a more significant scale for the zygote. "Here is a link to scientists opposing theories on when a fetus is considered human-being: http://science.jburroughs.org...; Some scientists are for and against abortion. But saying that pro choice scientists represent true science is just like saying an evangelical pastor represents true Christianity. Just because you have a title and believe that you truly represent something does not mean you do. A true christian would live by the way they interpret the bible. This requires biblical evidence A true pro science person would believe what science confirms. This requires scientific evidence. Is there any pro choice scientific evidence? Your site said something about a fetus being conscious/feeling pain. A sleeping person feels less pain when killed then a conscious person does when being punched. Does this mean that it should only be a misdemeanor to kill a sleeping person if they can only barely feel pain? No. Pain isn't the only thing that makes an action bad. "Here is the citation for foster care systems costing $4.3 billion dollars and over 600,000 kids in the system. For all these people who want to adopt so badly, where are they for these kids, who are actual sentient human-beings: http://www.adoptioncouncil.org...; The foster system should get funded by other ways, but that"s a tangent. Those 600,000 kids will eventually get adopted. It"s like school. It takes time to move through the process. "You stated that 94% of children get adopted within 4 years. Yes, because only 4% of women choose adoption for their unwanted pregnancies." I think these statistics are unrelated. And more then 4% of women set their unwanted pregnancies up for adoption. Currently, 43% of unwanted pregnencies end in abortion (http://shriverreport.org...). This is a left leaning site. Some people choose to parent their child, which is their choice. Assuming all unwanted people get set up for adoption, which is free(http://www.americanadoptions.com...), 57% of the kids form this will end up in foster systems, and that"s the current status quo. If abortion was illegal, and all would be aborted kids were set up for adoption, although the adoption rate rises, it only doubles. The adoption agency becomes twice as powerful. It would only cost only about $3.24 billion extra dollars, about $10 per US citizen in tax money. The adoption system ideally should get funded differently, but I only have so many characters and I digress a lot. I apologize for the digression. "There are thousands of horror stories about children who have suffered both physically and psychologically in the foster care system." Can you site this? I know some foster kids myself and they aren"t messed up. CNN also claims they don"t get messed up(http://ireport.cnn.com...). The foster system may be messed up, that doesn"t mean the kids inside it are. "Again, all these supposed people so desperate to adopt should focus firstly on the actual children in this world and not a fetus." What if the children are already fine? "Carrying a pregnancy to term even when you want the child take a toll on women physically and emotionally." I don"t want them to make the woman feel bad. I want them to live. If the woman didn"t want the child, she could have not have had sex or if she did, she could use an IUD. "because a fetus is not a person, whereas a woman is a person and should choose what she decides to do with her body." A fetus should be classified as a person because of bullet point #1. "Would you not argue that a fundamental aspect of pro-life would be wanting a child to be healthy or not risk dying in complications due to the mother using drugs and drinking throughout her pregnancy?" When I said that, I meant they MIGHT be allowed to do that. If their drug addiction is weed, then fine. If it"s crack, then no. "You just said they might live their drug addicted lifestyle anyway, but it"s okay as long as they"re born." No one is born a drug addict. My grandmother smokes but my Mom never was addicted to smoking. Just because a pregnant woman smokes does not mean the baby will get addicted. "Women do sometimes change their mind about adoption, maybe after being forced to go through all that she would want something out of it." If she wants to parent the kid, then fine. "However, if we are taking away a woman"s right to choose perhaps we can also deem unfit mothers to have to give up their newborns as well." Depends on your definition of unfit. My definition of an unfit parent is one who can"t afford to take care of the child without the government and/or is a child abuser. "There will be no way to measure exactly how many abortions are performed if they are being done illegally." Websites already measure it. Again, studies show that banning abortion does not stop abortion but increases dangerous abortions." Every abortion is dangerous since it kills a human life. This will sound harsh but when women had abortions when it was illegal, they kindof deserved to die because at that time, they murdered a baby. This is a tangent on the death penalty. "You are saying anyone who gets an abortion should be treated as a murderer?" How is this ridiculous? It"s ideological consistency. It only applies to people who have an abortion once it"s illegal. "there are so many layers to a woman's choice to abort and a fetus is again not equivalent to an actual person." There are also many pro life lawyers. "It is not always detectable when someone has had an abortion versus when they miscarry." When illegal, the judicial system gets information that would be proof of a deliberate abortion and that would cause the woman to get punished, if there is enough proof. "I never thought I would see the day where we wanted to be our society to align with El Salvador." This is just like me saying, "You want abortion to be legal! I never thought I would see the day where we wanted to be our society to align with North Korea and China". Whether or not other countries have abortion restrictions should not determine our laws. We should not be influenced by them. Yet, scientists who claim to be independent are pro choice often because the church is pro life. That"s not being independent. That"s depending on what the church had to say. If thee church was pro choice, science would probably be pro life. "You want abstinence to be encouraged but that"s unrealistic lol." Why not? I do it until marriage. There should be a punishment for premarital sex like a $500 fine unless done with an IUD to deter dangerous sex. "Birth control is not always effective." If abortion were illegal, people would make safer sex decisions. It"s not like countries where it is illegal have MASSIVE abortion rates. THeir rates are comparable to the west because of conception control differences and I support conception control. "If my birth control fails me, I am 100% getting an abortion & no one is going to force me to have a child." Thanks for the motivation to convince you not to get an abortion.