The Christian God exists (2)

Hi SuperBowl, welcome to the debate and I really applaud you for taking this on by the way. For the first round, I want to just introduce the concept of God (if you like a deity) and then try to argue why I believe it to be true. The Christian God, I hope to explain or defend my Pro position on, really is just about good reason and some logic. I know you will be eager to get stuck in with oft quoted Bible passages and try to apply your concept of morality to that God. He wouldn't do this or that etc. We debated this the other day, and fun it was too. But you are really only trying to talk yourself out of that idea in essence. It's human nature and I understand it. I know better now, I believe and I hope too. Now when you talk about proof, what sort of proof would you like? CCTV pictures, Him coming to shake your hand, or interfering in worldly affairs. I hope not. You won't get it. Now with that said, as we discussed the other day, you therefore have in your mind conceived an idea of what God should be like in your mind, if you were God if you like. All those wonderful attributes and moral goodness etc. You haven't pictured Him, like a spaghetti monster, well I hope not! but you have conceived of what His attributes could be like or in your human mind what they should be like. So far so good? Ok, there are 3 types of people in this universe, I'll think you'll agree. Atheists - they deny the existence of it, but conceive it's there. Else, what's to deny? Ref biology professor No 1. You even have a conception of it, but you want to deny it, for human reasons and it get's in the way somewhat. So you fight it. The big mistake in an atheist's outward denial of it, is that it proves the existence of it unfortunately, if you are perceptive. Agnostics - they conceive it's there, but not sure if they can accept it as fact, a weak but safe middle ground they think, as did I. I"m a good person really, it"ll be alright in the end. That's ok, they would probably make up a large proportion of people on the planet. Hence my reasoning for objective morals the other day. They may discuss the concept, sure. They're undecided in their minds to believe it. They want may be a little proof, a little miracle may be, something for sure. Theists - they conceive of it and are positively sure it's there, and can therefore prove it by this very same argument. If we are all conceiving of the same thing or entity, it must therefore necessarily exist. Are we ALL delusional. No. The big danger in making bold statements, such as I know it doesn't exist, proves that you thought about it already, thereby proving its very existence. It's been discussed throughout the centuries. Were all those people mad? No. So, the deity necessarily exists. Is it the Christian God? Mmm let's think about that. We have a book written over the space of may be 1,500 to 2,000 years, detailing the life of a certain race of people, including the very essence of creation and the beginnings. Through God this book was written, unless you think everyone at that time was deluded also in claiming the existence of God. And some very powerful writing it was too. It's an historical story that has way too much provenance to suggest other than it's more than likely very true. It has been the most discussed, widely read, researched and criticised book in all of history. Do you think people again would spend so much time doing that, if it wasn't at least credible and therefore more than likely true? I would reason not. Why would it create so much debate otherwise? We don't debate Greek gods and mythology and ask, can that be true? No, so that is my main reason. I can add more in the next round. I just wanted you to think a little. Yes, it takes faith sure, no one can have 100% proof of anything. I'm willing to take that chance and believe it to be true. Good luck