God's love for humanity is questionable

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Honestly, I did not know how much hate u receive from people gmlig. Seriously, what did you do to them? Please don't tell me you tried to get them to sign your contract. I mean, it's very well constructed, and extremely persuasive really. But. .. no thanks. And who made that? Doesn't look like God made it. Otherwise it would be much more . . . persuasive. Remember that 'god loves u' debate? And how u won it because your opponent couldn't rebut without saying 'spaaaghetti monsta! ' at least once? I felt that there was a bit of injustice there. And that, is why I made this debate. To give you a proper rebuttal. Also, I will not insult you like the others. Much. (Got the GOT reference? ) Well enough kidding around for now. Here's my response: Before I rebut, here are my initial arguments as to why god's love is questionable which was for this round. Shortened because of Con's arguments before: 1. He puts you in hell. This is pretty simple. In fact pretty obvious. If god loves you unconditionally - without condition - then why does he punish you for what you are or will become? Remember the definition of unconditional? The Google definition: not subject to any conditions. Merriam Webster : not conditional or limited Dictionary. com : not limited by conditions; absolute Are you really being serious when you say that a god that loves us absolutely, who loves us no matter what, will punish us in hell? And the reason? Because we don't believe in him? I thought he gave us free will to do what we want because he loves us unconditionally? But it's clearly not conditional when you get punished for doing the wrong things. It's like a parent telling their child they can do whatever they want, but they will get spanked if they do any of these 10 very bad bad things. Why would you tell the freaking child they could do whatever they want in the first place? ? It's nonsensical. Loving without condition means with NO condition. At all! You can't say to your girlfriend, "I love you unconditionally. " But then once they break your trust and sleep with other men, you say, "I hate you and I wish I never met you! " If you say you love them unconditionally then you can't just suddenly not love them because then that would be loving them conditionally. Loving them AS long as they don't do X number of things. Loving them as long as they are who YOU want them to be. That is not unconditional love. And if you think god can still love you even while he punishes you, inflicts pain personally on you, and tortures you. Then you have the most messed up definition of love. You cannot love someone and still want to hurt them at the same time. God isn't a human. At least a human is limited and only has very few ways to express control over someone they love. So they hurt them in order to protect them from; going to jail, becoming a criminal, addict, or murderer, or so they can be accepted by society. Parents who commit corporal punishment on their children do so in fear of the above things because of the limited way society works. But when you die, such physical limitations are lifted. You don't have to answer to court, be sent to prison or be punished for stealing. In the after world, you can have as many items and jewels that you wish. There are no consequences to stealing because you can just wish the item again and replace it. There are no consequences to killing because everyone is a soul and you can't kill them because they don't have a body. There are no courts to answer to because no governments are needed in heaven. Basically, there are no consequences in heaven. Because in heaven, everything is unlimited. God doesn't need to punish anybody because there isn't a reason to! Yet even when you die; and see that the person you robbed is now dwelling in riches, that the person you killed is - oh my god! - alive again, and that the wife you cheated on is now surrounded with the men of her dreams; yet even when you die, you are sent to hell by god. And for what reason? Because you broke a rule he arbitrarily made. And he made this rule even when, after physical life, there are really no consequences or ever lasting effect on a person's life. Since everything in your life is undermined when you enter the after world. Not only is god not unconditionally loving (he loves us only if we obey him). His punishments and reasons for doing so are also unjust (no actual consequences in after-life). People do heinous things because the physical world god created is very limited. A lot don't just commit sins because they freely chose to. They do it because they believe they don't have a choice. Yet god, because he conditionally loves them, will punish them anyway because they are not whom He wants them to be. And because they are no longer reflecting the omnibenevolent image of god. They are pieces of garbage who need punishing for who knows what reason in the eyes of god. It's not that god's unconditional love is questionable. It's nonexistent. Rebuttal Yes, that's right. That is the only point I will make. I trust that readers are intelligent enough to get my point already so there's no point in repeating myself in different ways. However, I might repeat myself in this rebuttal. Let's begin. "Questioning God's love is a mistake. The only thing questionable between you and God is you. You are making a mistake if you question God's love. The fact that you question God's love for you does not mean His love is questionable. " I didn't make a mistake. God's mistake is giving me the free will to question his love if he doesn't want me to question his love. The fact, is that he will punish me for questioning his love, when he gave me the free will to do it in the first place. Either he gives me free will and not punish me for questioning him; an act of unconditional love. Or not give me free will so I can't question him; an act of conditional love, no love, or an act of hatred and anger. He can't do both because both are polar opposites of each other. "First, God is God, there is not a Biblical God and a non-Biblical God. There is only one God. Second, God does love me unconditionally. " Well then that just makes things much easier. I no longer have to refer to god as 'the biblical god'. Glad we agree on that. "He loves us but He hates our sin. He loves us so much that He (Jesus) still died in my place to pay for my crimes against Him so He can be satisfied that my penalty has been paid in full and we can be forgiven. " Another example of god's conditional love, if it's love at all. He attempts to forgive what he himself created; sin. And his need for satisfaction for humans to do exactly as he says shows he doesn't really fully allow us to do what we wish. Doesn't matter how many times he died - because he didn't (he's in heaven) - people will still do what god hates and that won't stop till either he robs our free will, or loves us enough to let us be. We already have enough of our own laws and regulations to deal with. "Esau, Esau, Esau. Basically his whole defense of Esau. " Same arguments. So same rebuttal. And finally, "God loves you and died in your place to save you from the fire of Hell. " He didn't save me from the fire of hell. He just decided one day to not put me in hell. He wasn't saving anyone. He just decides. Basically if he didn't 'die' for us, we would all go to hell. And here I thought god is omnipotent. He has a choice, send us to hell, or don't. There is no love. Just a mindless game of inni minnie maini moe. I don't see the love. I don't see any 'unconditional' love from it at all. To close: When god decides to truly love us for WHO we are and not for what he WANTS us to be. Then that, my friends, is what's called, UNCONDITIONAL LOVE <3. See you in the next round.