Rob Lucci vs Itachi

Contention #1: Itachi could drown Rob Lucci. 1) Again, PRO offers nothing to dispute Eichiro's Oda's claim that any kind of water is sufficient to paralyze a devil fruit user. He talks about Sasuke using "electricity" to cut swords in half, disregarding the intense heat electricity can produce when in contact with an object. As one can see plainly during the fight, the lightning swords melted through another sword.[1]. No matter how one looks it, this different properties argument is unpersuasive. If Rob Lucci gets caught in Itachi's water dragon, he's done. 2) PRO claims that Lucci must have heightened sense since he heard Luffy "hundreds of meters away" in base form. This never happened though. What PRO is referring to is an instance where Luffy was screaming at the top of his lungs while in the hallway adjacent to Lucci and Spandam. Both Lucci and Spandam heard him. PRO has given us no reason to believe that Lucci would be able to see past clever use of these. This is dangerous to PRO's case. While Lucci wastes time on a shadow clone, Itachi could catch him off guard with a water dragon, amateresu or the susano'o. And given the speed with which Itachi could pull off these techniques, even if you were to believe that Lucci really did have heightened senses, it wouldn't be enough to overcome Itachi's tactics. PRO says a couple of things about speed, but none of it is persuasive. Sasuke, who was inferior to Itachi at the time, was able to see, counter and just about best the Raikage, someone who literally moved at the speed of lightning. PRO has given us no evidence that Lucci is faster than the Raikage and no reason to believe that Itachi wouldn't be able to keep up with Lucci, assuming Lucci was able to deal with Itachi's shadow clone and smoke bomb tactics. 3) As PRO points out, the tempests kick (rankakyu) is a mass of compressed air. That's just it though. It's compressed. This is how it's able to cut through solid objects. Nonetheless, due to its compression, it doesn't blow anything way as PRO seems to be suggesting. This stuff about "explosions" and what not is simply unsupported. Again, get a knife, try "cutting" the water in a pool and see what happens. If the pool "explodes", I'll gladly concede PRO's argument and reimburse you on the pool. Water is nigh-intangible. Chakra is completely intangible. Lucci can fire tempest kicks all night and day. He's never going to "cut" through the water dragon, much less make it "explode." 4) PRO is mistaken when he claims that his methods are the only way to approximate Lucci's speed. PRO can also do as fans do and simply ask the author. The author answers question on a regular basis. Using pseudo-scientific calculations (i.e. measuring the number frames on a screen) is simply injudicious and unreliable, as I've pointed out. Tom can appear like he's chasing Jerry for miles while inside the confines of an ordinary house, only for us to later see that the house is of ordinary size. PRO is absolutely wrong about doriki measuring fighting ability rather than strength; the word strength is used to describe it.[2][3] 5) PRO claims that Lucci only needs one attack to defeat Itachi shadow clones. A) This is an assumption he fails to support. Any of Itachi's shadow clones could easily use the Susano'o as a defense. As I pointed out earlier in the debate, Itachi's Suasano'o has a shield (yata mirror) that makes him impervious to all attacks. Lucci's physical abilities would be useless. He says the Rokougon could break the susano'o, but presents no proof of this and provides us with no response to the manga citation I provided earlier, claiming that Itachi's susano'o can reflect any attack. Physical strength is irrelevant.[4] B) The shadow clones could use smoke bombs to hinder Lucci's eyesight, making it even more difficult to attack them. C) The shadow clones are simply a distraction. It doesn't matter whether Lucci finishes them off or not. Even one instance of wasting his time on a shadow clone means instant defeat as Itachi could use that instant to pull off any of the instant-kill strategies I've listed here today. Contention #2: Itachi could burn Rob Lucci alive with the amaretsu. 1) Since PRO doesn't address the rebuttal I've offered here, he concedes that his original claim (that because the Raikage dodged the amaterasu against Sasuke, he'd be able to dodge it against Itachi) is erroneous. 2) PRO admits that Lucci is not anywhere near the speed of light or sound, but still insist that he's faster than Itachi. Even if that was true, Itachi is still more than capable of dealing with speedy opponents. Sasuke, was inferior to Itachi at the time, was able to fight and nearly defeat the Raikage, who, as you can see in the video I posted, was literally as fast as lightning. Lightning is 224,000 miles per hour and 3700 miles per second.[5] Sound is 767 miles per hour.[6] Making the Raikage much faster than Lucci, who we know is slower than sound based on the video clip I provided showing a weakened Luffy being able to utter a full sentence before Lucci, who was already in close range, could reach him. Heck, based on those speed differences, if anyone has to worry about a massive speed disadvantage, it's Lucci! Contention #3: Itachi could seal Lucci away forever with the Susano'o 1) Whether there is a multiverse or not, PRO has simply provided us with no evidence that Orochimaru (or the author) was only talking about "his universe." Everything he has said is baseless conjecture. There are no devil fruit in the Naruto universe nor is there such a thing as rokushiki. Either we are to believe that none of Rob Lucci's abilities apply here or we're to conclude that PRO is just trying to have his cake and eat it. 2) We do not need to see Itachi deflect an attack from the Raikage to know that Itachi could deflect an attack from the Raikage. We know that Itachi let Sasuke kill him, we know that Sasuke's skills (at the time) were inferior to Itachi's, based on comments like the one I posted, we know that Itachi had more shinobi experience than Sasuke. If Sasuke could keep up with the Raikage, so could Itachi. PRO has no argument here. 3) PRO completely ignores the proof I provided to confirm that Lucci wasn't strong enough to shake a city. Again, the average marine has a doriki of 10. Lucci's doriki was 4000. It takes more than 400 men to shank an entire city. Therefore, Lucci was not as strong as Luffy. PRO can deny this all he wants, but the facts stand. Both Luffy and Lucci had different assets during their battle, but we don't conclude that they were equals on each of their assets. Lucci had decades of fighting experience and formal training. Luffy had herculean strength and immunity to blunt damage. Ultimately, Luffy's herculean strength prevailed. Conclusion You heard a lot throughout today's case, members of DDO, but the bottom line is that each of the strategies I've listed are sufficient to instantly annihilate Rob Lucci. The basis of PRO's entire case is that Lucci is fast. Mr. Lucci is speed wouldn't allow him to prevail in battle against Itachi Uchiha. Itachi is more than capable of dealing with adversaries much faster than Rob Lucci and is very fast in his own right. Itachi also has various means of nullifying Lucci's attacks. His Susano'o's yata mirror grants him invulnerability to all attacks and Itachi could also trick Mr. Lucci with shadow clones and smokes. Remember, all Itachi needs is one instant to pull off any of the strategies I've offered here today. The instant he does so, Rob Lucci is finished. Thanks for the debate! Vote PRO! Best regards, Logical-Master Sources: [1] http://tinyurl.com... [2] http://www.mangapanda.com... [3] http://www.mangapanda.com... [4] http://tinyurl.com... [5] http://www.komonews.com... [6] http://en.wikipedia.org...