from an objective perspective judaism is the most believable religion in the world

Introduction "Now you just move on to ignore discussing the tenants of theosophy, and just discuss Judaism. " It's fair. The debate is only 3 rounds. This is a huge barrier to address. We're discussing 2 religions and how each is more believable than the other. Or in my case I only have to show Theosophy is equally believable. I spent the 1 full round on Theosophy and 1 full round on Judaism, just as my opponent has. Nation as a witness " It's accepted scientifically that if numerous people say they witnessed the same thing, the broader the spectrum of people the more there is less room for doubt. " History and science are 2 different fields of expertise. As far as the Torah being given to the Jews we only have 1 witness. That 1 witness, is the Torah. This isn't the same as denying things such as the holocaust like my opponent says. The holocaust has numerous books as witnesses, pictures, the testimony of millions of people and multiple other things. The Torah was derived from a bunch of Sumerian myths that were accepted by the Jews reimagined and passed down through the generations, until at some point when it was decided to write them down. "So you will argue no, your parents didn't lie to you they were also deceived, all the way back. But what happened back then" This is too much speculation. Lot's of religions exist in lots of places. Most of this isn't intentional deception. The WW2 cargo cults, popped up in less than 1 generation had 1 whole tribe as witnesses and probably didn't involve any intentional deceptions. . http://en.m.wikipedia.org... My opponent goes on to say the Sumerian flood story is proof of a global flood not proof of a story derived from Sumerian mythology, but if you examine the articles I linked the story is almost word for word the same. This would be evidence towards the story be derived from Sumerian myth as opposed to being 2 seperate stories about the same event. Let's examine the similarities. "Keep in mind the level of detail in these similarities. It's not a matter of just a flood, but specific details: three birds sent out, resisting the call to build the arc, and a single man being chosen by God to build the arc. Then consider that the first story (Gilgamesh) came from Babylon -- hundreds of years before the Bible was even written. "Daniel Miessler . http://www.danielmiessler.com... Evolution and Age of the Earth "that's completely not true, evolution has never graduated from theory to fact" Evolution is fact and theory. If you see a house on fire and you turn your head to look at something and then look back and the house has collapsed, the fact is it was on fire and now is collapsed. The theory is the fire caused the collapse. A simple application of Occam's Razor shows that the house probably collapsed due to the fire. Just like evolution probably occurred based on the evidence provided by the fossil record. Just like the Earth is probably over 10,000 years old based on the evidence we have, such as radiometric testing. My opponent hasn't done anything to prove the status quo beliefs of an old earth and evolution are false. My opponent has made a big deal of explaining neither is empirical science. This is a weak argument and quite frankly very silly. My opponent hasn't attacked the common proofs of old earth or evolution, and hasn't offered a competing theory or evidence. What my opponent is doing is trying to let links to other sites do his arguing for him, but he himself hasn't even so much as quoted those other sites. Unfortunately for my opponent it's not good enough to just pass the buck. No Evidence for the Jews in Egypt My opponent again let's his links do his arguing and passes the buck. My argument still stands. My opponent argues Hibiru sounds like Hebrew, so they must be the same people. This is an assumption based on the similar sounds of the names after they are translated into English. The Hibiru are clearly no Hebrews. . http://www.britam.org... As far as the papyrus is concerned. It's too many pages to quickly read, another case of my opponent passing the buck instead of arguing and not the least bit similar to the plagues. Theosophy " through theosophy one can intellectually "discover" the nature of g-d for ones self, and apply it to ones life accordingly. " Yep, that's exactly what I'm saying. "there"s really a lot of good stuff there but the problem is what's good is not original and what's original is not good. " Well, none of theosophy is really original. It's pretty much derived from the most believable aspects of several different religions and philosophy. It's a mutt of a religion. So I guess what you're saying is "all of Theosophy is good". I just can't stop agreeing with Pro. Pro, you should convert. The universe Comes From an Eternal source My opponent actually writes about 3 paragraphs agreeing with this tenant of Theosophy. So he holds up this point and my premise stands. Theosophy and the Omni God My opponent also agrees with the Omni God, philosophy here, and my 2nd premise is held up. Theosophy and the Philosophy of the Mind. I've written out the entire argument for this and my opponent for the most part ignores it and try's to buy time by asking me to elaborate and waste the very few characters I have to offer a rebuttal of his entire religion. My argument was written out, the premises weren't attacked and my argument acts as another point in my favor. The Universe has Consciousness Believe it or not, my opponent actually agrees that the universe is in a way conscious as well. Conclusion Basically Theosophy eliminates all the hard to believe stuff from Judaism, such as old Earth, anti-evolution, Hebrews enslaved in Egypt etc. , and it keeps all the most believable stuff. The only thing it a adds in as far as the believable stuff is philosophy of the mind, which is something that all philosophers pretty much agree with. The only reason the philosophy of the mind is ever disregarded is for practical reasons. In summary: My opponent agrees or ignores all my premises and I've provided reasons to doubt his. Vote con. Even if you somehow find Judaism equally believable as Theosophy, than he has still failed to prove his resolution.