The Bible is immoral.

Finally going somewhere. Lots to rehash. We agree to use basic example of moralitysuch as lying, stealing, cheating, killing, and the Golden Rule. We seem to disagree on these points. 1. Morals change. (Yes morality change as laws do.) Source: http://www.loc.gov... 2. Who decides morals? (I claim that society as a whole and it could extend to our species as a collective.) Source: 1. 2. 6. If your faith dictates that the Bible was derived from God's word, then none of the teachings are immoral. If you disagree, you are simply wrong. Interestingly, even if you don't believe in God or the Bible, many of the teachings in the Bible happen to line up with current society's and "common sense" codes of ethics. How could you convince any man of faith, that the modern legal system, created by man, is more objective, a more accurate "barometer," than a document derived from the source of all creation? (Prove it.) 7. Just because some of the STORIES in the Bible depict what you define as genocide, does not mean that the TEACHINGS of the Bible promote or encourage the acts of genocide. The Bible does not encourage the slaughter of entire ethnic groups just because they are different than you. (We both agreed on what genocide is. MUCH more on this later) What the Bible does do, is say that the word of God should be spread. You contorted this into meaning that the Bible promotes genocide because it wants its followers to replace your beliefs with theirs. If you want to call that "genocide," so be it. I call it, wanting to spread the word of God for the purposes of enlightening the world. But I say again, in no way do the TEACHINGS (moral instructions) of the Bible promote the extermination of entire groups of people simply because they are of different ethnicity. (That is genocide, we agreed. . Was the Spanish Inquisition not genocide?.) Source: http://en.wikipedia.org... 8. Because we are talking about something objective, we have to be able to determine, in some way, what is an objective source? (Con believes that the Bible is Objective because it is the word of God. However, he states: “I admittedly accept this claim on faith. I can't prove that God wrote the Bible. I BELIEVE that his Son's teachings helped construct the Bible.” Then the Bible is not objective is it? I don’t BELIEVE, how do we settle this? The Bible is’t the only book that claim objective knowledge. I used the American justice system to see it the Bible is moral according to our consensus. That is American morals updated to 2014. That way we can find out if our sense of right and wrong share the foundations of the bible. Con is not being OBJECTIVE.) IF THE BIBLE WAS FALSE, HOW WOULD YOU FIND OUT? Source: 1 objective : based on facts rather than feelings or opinions: not influenced by feelings 1faith : strong belief or trust in someone or something b (1) : firm belief in something for which there is no proof (2): complete trust believe : to accept or regard (something) as true : to accept the truth of what is said by (someone) : to have (a specified opinion) a : to have a firm religious faith b : to accept the word or evidence of believe you> believe my ears> Phew! I hope I covered all the points of contention. I had to reread the debate literally dozens of times. Let’s see if we can find Biblical examples of immorality proposed by God/Jesus or their message. KILLING, MURDER, GENOCIDE, ATROCITIES A. My favorite “Story” 15:2 Thus say the LORD of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt. 15:3 Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ask. 15:7 And Saul smote the Amalekites from Havilah until thou comes to Shur, that is over against Egypt. 15:8 And he took Agag the king of the Amalekites alive, and utterly destroyed all the people with the edge of the sword. 15:9 But Saul and the people spared Agag, and the best of the sheep, and of the oxen, and of the fatties, and the lambs, and all that was good, and would not utterly destroy them: but every thing that was vile and refuse, that they destroyed utterly. 15:10 Then came the word of the LORD unto Samuel, saying, 15:11 It repented me that I have set up Saul to be king: for he is turned back from following me, and hath not performed my commandments. And it grieved Samuel; and he cried unto the LORD all night. 15:14 And Samuel said, What means then this bleating of the sheep in mine ears, and the lowing of the oxen which I hear? 15:15 And Saul said, They have brought them from the Amalekites: for the people spared the best of the sheep and of the oxen, to sacrifice unto the LORD thy God; and the rest we have utterly destroyed. 15:17 And Samuel said, When thou was little in your own sight, was thou not made the head of the tribes of Israel, and the LORD anointed thee king over Israel? 15:18 And the LORD sent thee on a journey, and said, Go and utterly destroy the sinners the Amalekites, and fight against them until they be consumed. (15:18-19) "The LORD sent thee on a journey, and said, Go and utterly destroy the sinners the Amalekites." Saul is rebuked by Samuel for "doing evil in the sight of the Lord" by failing to kill all of the Amalekites. 15:19 Wherefore then didst thou not obey the voice of the LORD, but didst fly upon the spoil, and didst evil in the sight of the LORD? 15:20 And Saul said unto Samuel, Yea, I have obeyed the voice of the LORD, and have gone the way which the LORD sent me, and have brought Agag the king of Amalek, and have utterly destroyed the Amalekites. 15:21 But the people took of the spoil, sheep and oxen, the chief of the things which should have been utterly destroyed, to sacrifice unto the LORD thy God in Gilgal. 15:22 And Samuel said, Hath the LORD as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the LORD? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams. 15:23 For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the LORD, he hath also rejected thee from being king. 15:32 Then said Samuel, Bring ye hither to me Agag the king of the Amalekites. And Agag came unto him delicately. And Agag said, Surely the bitterness of death is past. 15:33 And Samuel said, As the sword hath made women childless, so shall thy mother be childless among women. And Samuel hewed Agag in pieces before the LORD in Gilgal. 15:35 And Samuel came no more to see Saul until the day of his death: nevertheless Samuel mourned for Saul: and the LORD repented that he had made Saul king over Israel. B. Reason Classified? God order the genocide of an entire race (Amalekites) including women, suck lings, and little ones, the animals. Anything that breathed God wanted it dead. God was upset that the King and finest of the animals were spared. God repented making Saul king because he did not kill everything in sight. This is a sin to God and removes Saul’s authority. The king Agag is killed in front of God. C. Executioner? Tribe of Israel under the command of Saul who was under orders from God. D. Casualties? Regretfully not enough. The king was spared initially even though he was hewn in the presence of God. Some animals were spared to sacrifice to God but God hated the Amalekites so much he wanted everything destroyed. This has caused problems in modern times because some people believe that the Amalekites survived and the order to destroy them still stands. Was longer but I had to shorten it. Sorry for the format. I look forward to the response. Great debate so far. Ps. I could not get pass the profanity filter beacue I quoted the Bible! Easter egg points for whover can tell my why.