Abortion: right or wrong.

Yes, I to find it irritating to have a debater do nothing but scream in your face without a logical argument in sight. Next let me just say that I much appreciated debating you. I also wish I had set this up as a longer debate, this was your best debate yet, and I really wish we could continue these arguments. OK, enough with the pleasantries, on to the debate! Your argument: "America has the second worst birth rate in the industrialized world. The only industrialized place on earth with a higher mortality rate is Latvia. I present this only to show that the embryos have a considerable less chance at life than what you make their chances out to be." Rebuttal: It is a shame that you didn't make this a bigger argument, it was a huge attack on my case. However, there are several problems with your data. 1) I presume you got this from a CNN report on infant mortality rates in the US, not fetal mortality rates. The difference being that your number shows that once a child is born and is fully human, according both of us, they have a sub- par chance of becoming adults. My data is addressing the likeliness that, once a parent decides to have a child, the likeliness it will die before being born a full fledged life, 2) According to the United States National Vital Statistics Report of 2007: "The U.S. fetal mortality rate was 6.20 per 1,000 live births". That's a .62% chance that the fetus will die before being born. 3) Unless you are suggesting that we should kill infants after they are born to prevent the financial hardships for the parents, or emotional hardships for adoption, we should discard your stats. I have the information we are looking for, and it really leans towards my argument. There is a 99.38% chance that the child inside you WILL be a full- fledged life. That's a pretty good chance if I do say so myself. Now on to the negative impacts you try to place on birth. (negative impact = bad thing that will happen). I cannot deny that what you say may have truth to it, however, all I have to do to win is show why my negative impacts are greater than yours. So I'll really start my minimizing your impacts. If birth is as you say "the fact is giving birth itself is horrible and terrible enough you said 9 months of discomfort more like 9 months of hell", then why do willing mothers repeatedly birth children, when they could have aborted. Look, we are both men, I can safely assume that neither of us have first hand experience in giving birth. The only thing we can look to is logical reasons why giving birth cannot be an unbearably horrible experience. Next, there is no reason why we cannot set up programs to fund the financial burden if childbirth. That impact really is speculative and generally unusable. I am going to leave the argument that the social integrity of the parents may be tarnished, I really don't think I'll have trouble outweighing it. Next, the argument that mothers have a good chance of dying through childbirth. First of all, your information is worldwide, including 3rd world countries and up. Since you give no distinction between the US and the rest of the world, I have to assume that a majority of those deaths are from impoverished nations with sub- par medicine. Believe it or not, the US is one of the most medically competent nations in the world. Next, the argument that adoption is emotionally draining, I really don't think you understand the implications of that argument. You're saying that we should kill the fetus before the mother becomes emotionally attached to it and CARES about its well being. So as long as the thing she is killing is intangible, it is okay. That's pretty sick (no offense). Next, the argument that I shouldn't be enforcing my morality or opinion on other people through law. Look, in a democracy, that is how things work. If it is not against the Constitution, we look to voter morality to decide what the law should be. This is not an argument for abortion, but against all that is democratic and lawful. Lastly, the argument that "the age of the coat hanger will rise again and many young girls will die" is really bad, sorry. Everything, that has ever been made illegal, is still done illegally. This is no reason to make it legal. People still engage in armed robbery, it is illegal, and they may die doing it. Yet, almost everybody feels it should be illegal. Your argument is not for abortion, it is against any and all forms of law. So I've established that the consequences of not having an abortion are not as drastic as you claim they are. Now I will go on my little rant about why abortions should not be done contraceptives. When you have sex and get pregnant, you now have a being inside of you that has 99.38% of becoming the most sacred thing known to man, a human life. This make the being inside of you extremely valuable. To h=turn something that has a 99.38% chance of living, into a being with 0% chance of living is a action detrimental to the moral fabric of our world. It may not be even to murder but it is a bad action. To engage in this action without proper reason is wrong. There are many reasons why women abort, my opponent has named almost every decent reason I can think of, but ultimately none of them can supersede the life of a human being to be. One abortion means that there is a 99.38% likelihood that you just stopped a child from living. That child will never take his first breath, never see his parents faces, never learn what it is like to be loved, never have a partner, never love another human being, never have children of his own to experience life themselves. That child will never see nature at its finest, never hear birds sing, never feel the sun shine on his face, never sleep out under the stars and see the vastness of the universe. This child will never contribute to the world, he will never discover a new cure, never create beautiful art, never use his mind to redevelop how the world thinks. The greatest injustice of this, this child will never be asked whether or not he wants to be stripped of his most prized possession. I am not against choice. I am pro- life AND pro- choice. I think every person ought to be able to decide for themselves whether or not they want to die, this chance at choice, is called life. The only reason we have an easier time sympathizing with the parents is because we might still end up in their position. Well, ask yourselves voters, if you were in the position of the fetus, would you wish to die, so your mother will not be ridiculed? Would you wish to die, so your mother did not have to pay for new clothes? Would you wish to die, wish to give up your ENTIRE life, so your mother did not have to endure 9 months with you in her womb? She did conceive you after all, you didn't climb inside her against her will and demand to be born, no. You are there, and now you have a 99.38% chance at the most wonderful gift of all. Voters, you decide who makes the bigger and better impact on their side. I'm giving you the choice, just like the fetus.