murder is wrong

i asked if whover takes up this debate would please post in the comment box before clicking accept, so as i could post up my first argument. unfortunatley this is not the case, and i did not get to post up an argument. So, i will have to make do and just start here. ok i accept your definition of murder: 'unlawful killing of another human being with a state of mind known as "malice aforethought". ' now i would like to focus on the two parts of this definition that are most important. "unlawful killing" "malice aforethought" MY OPPONENT- "Well the problem is that "murder" has a legal definition, whereas "wrong" has a moral definition. You are therefore asserting that all laws pertaining to murder are just. You might want to rethink that. But anyway. There must be no just murder, and all unjust killings must be murder. Is this even possible? " first of all the statement wasn'e what i was putting up as fact. it was a standing opinion on whether or not someone would choose that side. so when you say i "might want to re-think that" i am a little confused as to what you are trying to say seeing as i haven't even posted an argument for starters. the resolution in itself is not me stating a point, but putting forth a topic in which to debate. MY OPPONENT- "So if you kill two human beings it is not murder. Murder is the killing of one human being. I don't know, it's your statement. " murder isn't just the killing of ONE individual, but the killing of ANY individual with a malciousious intent. killing a second person un-justly is the still therfor considered murder. MY OPPONENT-"Examine issues of validity, scope and meaning of both the hytpothesis and your first argument, together with that of their individual words where appropriate. Some observations first. " hmm. . well seeing as i dont have a first argument, i am not sure i follow your logic. MY OPPONENT-""Murder" is a verb and someone must commit it within some context; moreover it is defined legally; "wrong" is defined morally. Does it refer to acts by yourself, or myself, or by an individual or by groups of individuals, or by the police or military, or a part of a death penalty administration, or other? " again, murder is the killing of any human being un-justly, no matter how large the group of people killing. MY OPPONENT- "Who is being murdered? Is genocide murder? Does it refer to a single act, or to the occurrance of multiple acts, and if the latter, does it refer to all such acts, and if not, to exactly which ones? Does it refer to multiple killings? " yes genocide and anything to do with the killing of another human being is considered murder. .. . Now that we've established what murder IS, i think we should move to the actual topic of the debate, on whether it is right or wrong. MY OPPONENT-""Wrong" generally denotes a problem needing a solution. Do you have one in mind? Does it imply a duty to correct it, and if so is that the duty of the individual, or society, or both? " any problem generally works. example: man sees other man look at him funny, so he shoots him. This is a murder, and it is un-just. plain and simple. was it wrong or right? did the man deserve to die because he looked at the other man wrong? that is what we are trying to establish in this debate. In this case the mans actions can be considered murder, because 1. his action was unlawful 2. he murdered with malicious intent I argue that murder is wrong because the killing of another human being with unlawful and malicous intent cannot be seen to be beneficial to the common goal of society in any way shape or form. Self defence killing is another issue and cannot be considered murder. The victim was the one causing the harm, while the defender was protecting his/her life with no un-lawful or malicious intent what-so-ever. Murder has become a common thing in our country and others, and is only spreading more and more. I argue that murder in itself is wrong in very essence, seeing as people don't deserve to die unless, justice serves them, or they have caused major un-needed harm to any living being who has every right to live as they do. now a goal as a society to prevent this is another story, however, this would be a good idea for future reference. thankyou, opponent. -philosophical