If Jesus had not sacrificed Himself

"We. . . " Whoa there straddle horse. Who is this "we"? Um no, It you, Just you that "have the writings of Jesus' enemies attesting to the fact of His existence" which was how many years after his death was this? So please try harder from something in which you clearly know nothing about and yet you pretend that you do. So its mere hickory bark stories and nothing more. Oh and to rely on one letter to prove jesus's life isn't much. That's not much to go on. As the matter of fact that's pretty close to 0%. Jesus wasn't Jesus - Aron Ra (youtube) Again, Who is this "We"? No its you. Only you. A burial cloth proving what exactly? How does anyone know that its christ - or how will anyone ever know its christ? Btw sonny you have it 100% wrong. . . YOUR ooga booga jesus did not sacrifice himself. It was preordained by his so-called "father", Namely god, Long beforehand that this unproved christ sneezerag was to horrifically die on the cross. What a true great bile unproved god this was - to have NOT in any way have thought of a better way than to torture someone in the most gruesome of ways to teach others that suffering is really a lot of fun and should be glorified. Now you tell me or anyone who is sane. . . What can a child, And you are a child, Possibly learn from suffering? If you've answered "nothing" then you've answered correctly. Also strange, Since this god of YOURS is supposed to be so high and mighty, Then why did he only send one christ? Why not hundreds or thousands or millions all spreading his same---exact---word? Clearly one christ was in no possible way enough. After all, YOUR christ is the most fought after figure in the history of the human race. Yeah you must love suffering and horrific pain. And yet you do not even know what true horrific suffering and pain truly is. See, There are billions from around the world that believe in peace, Harmony, Kindness, Love, Care for each other, Harmony etc etc etc. You don't. You are totally incapable of it. You believe in YOUR god. You cannot even show anyone with YOUR god where there's been peace anywhere in this world since YOUR god's inception for any length of time. Wow. Your god has freely admitted to having evil, Anger, Wrath, Vengeance, Rage, Fury, Jealousy etc etc etc. Great! Just what any supreme deity would ---ever--- want or have - right? And even worse is this god guy neatly passed down those emotions to man so in turn man could learn to hate with at least 1 billion dead on the battlefields alone all in the supposed "good" name of YOUR god. Way to go god. Way to go for you believing in this trash. Keep up the good work. Jealousy? What? From a supreme deity? Jealousy is nothing more than anger as disguised fear. So don't talk to me about your jesus, A false messiah, K? Oh and oh yeah, Why don't you look up Hong Xiuquan and the Taiping Rebellion. Yep Hong knew himself to be the younger brother of your messiah. "Do not sign on to DEBATE me again till you have grown up more, About for another 5 years. " Well garsh oh great god of toxic waste, You are still a child in his crib still suckling on his bottle. After all, You have freely admitted that you can't read.