Re: The biblical God probably doesn't exist.

I apologize for taking so long to respond, but I needed a good block of time to write. Regarding omniscience – Rebuttal “I personally...this word.” How can complete knowledge be relative? Either you know everything or you don’t. We have created the word, but we probably created it with God in mind. “This phrase...called omniscient.” Again, you can’t be relatively omniscient. They can’t kind of have infinite knowledge. Either they do or they don’t. “God doesn’t literally…“omniscience” is absolute.” You do acknowledge my passages that I quoted later in your argument, but you simply brush them off saying that they don’t necessarily suggest a true omniscient being.” How is a being “perfect in knowledge” not absolutely omniscient? My opponent would most likely agree with me that perfect is synonymous with complete, and lo and behold, you come to this: God = A being complete in knowledge. Omniscient = Having complete or unlimited knowledge, awareness, or understanding. “Second, what is “knowledge”? Knowledge of WHAT? The scriptures do not say that God knows everything about everything, period.” 1 John 3:20 KJV For if our heart condemn us, God is greater than our heart, and knoweth all things. http://www.biblestudytools.com... “Third, in studying the Old/New Testament I think it’s important to clarify who “god” or “lord”…said traits.” I am referring to the deity that created the universe. I’m in no way arguing that Jesus Christ didn’t exist. I don’t particularly care if they are the same person or not because all I have to prove is that the Christian being that created the universe probably doesn’t exist. Regarding omnibenevolence – Rebuttal “First, I would ask...we are making it up.” When I say omnibenevolence, I mean that God is perfect in morality and he must be without sin. “Psalm 18 is essentially a poem...do with benevolence?” But isn’t the Bible literally the word of God? According to the Eighth Article of Faith (which I assume you believe in due to the fact you are an LDS), you believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly. Therefore, you do believe that David is omnibenevolent. It has to do with benevolence because his way is perfect, which means that everything he does is perfect. If he does everything perfectly, he does all-good (which fits in perfectly with the Latin omni- and benevolent).http://lds.org... “Psalm 19 says... at that time.” The law of LORD being perfect means that it is just and fair. I don’t think it’s very fair for God to create the laws of the universe, creating evil and therefore Hell in the process. Why would you create something that you would eventually send to eternal suffering? I will emphasize this more in my first argument. “Preemptively I also want...could he not?” To be perfectly fair, I was going up against a troll so I wasn’t debating to my full potential. If god is omnipotent, why didn’t he simply take out pain in his plans for the universe? He can go anything, so surely he could eliminate evil while still maintaining anything gained from the suffering. Growth and work are not synonymous at all. Work and pain are not equal either. I do not think that any being could be infinitely kind while also inflicting infinite suffering. It makes absolutely no sense. It gets even crazier when you start to think that He created Hell. How could a being that is infinitely kind, humane, and morally perfect to allow people who haven’t even heard of Christianity spend an eternity of torture in Hell? Regarding omnipotence “ I would agree that God is omnipotent, but as with omniscience, this is relative.” This is where you are completely wrong. Omnipotence is not and can never be relative. Omnipotent means unlimited power. Period. Unlimited = not limited; unrestricted; unconfined http://dictionary.reference.com... “I do not believe in an ex nihilo creation. Scripturally there is no evidence for this either.” This was by far the easiest Bible passage to find. Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. Beginning is the point in time or space at which something starts. In this case, that is the entire universe. “That being the case...He did not create Satan, etc.” Genesis 1:1 again. God created the universe and therefore everything inside of it. He even specifically created the angels, which include Satan/Lucifer. “As with omniscience...meant to be relative.” The definition of God makes him omnipotent. If you really need specific passages, I’ve got you covered. Matthew 19:26 “but with God all things are possible.” http://www.biblegateway.com... Genesis 17:1 “I am the Almighty God” http://www.biblegateway.com... Jeremiah 32:17, 27 “there is nothing too hard for thee”, “is there any thing too hard for me?” http://www.biblegateway.com... Luke 1:37 “For with God nothing shall be impossible.” http://www.biblegateway.com... I saved the best for last! Revelation 19:6 “for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth” http://www.biblegateway.com... We didn’t even make up the word. Look it up in your Bible! These six words completely and utterly destroy this argument. I have a large amount of arguments, so I will keep them short and sweet lest my readers fall asleep. Problem of Evil 1: God is omnipotent (established above). 2: God is omniscient (established above). 3: God is omnibenevolent (established above). 4. God would know if evil or suffering is taking place (omniscience), He has the power to stop it (omnipotence), and would feel obligated to stop it (omnibenevolent). 5. Evil exists. 6. God doesn’t exist. More details are above in my rebuttal for omnibenevolence. Lack of Empirical Data To prove something does or doesn’t exist, we usually need a lot of evidence to support it, right? Christians seem to only point to the Bible as proof of His existence. Why? Surely if He exists there would be a lot of evidence supporting His presence. Individual accounts of ‘seeing God’ have caused people to convert to Christianity, Islam, Hindu, etc.http://www.islamtomorrow.com... http://western-hindu.org... Free Will? If God knows everything that is going to happen in advance, we don’t really have free will. No matter how many times we change our mind, God’s omnipotence knew it would have happened. Intelligent Design? God created us in His image, correct? Then why do we get sick? Why do some people have extra toes or fingers? What does God really look like? With all of the billions of different skin tones, hair colors, eye colors, hairs, moles, organs, etc. how did he really create us in his image? You get the idea. Objective Morality vs Subjective Morality You expressed very clearly several times that everything is relative, but what about morality? If God is omnibenevolent, then there is an objective morality that is definitely correct. Do you advocate genocide, slavery, racism, misogyny, homophobia, infanticide, and filicide? The Bible sure does! Contradictions The Bible is literally the word of God, and the only contradictions are human errors according to your faith. You insisted that I use the King James version, so I will assume that you are completely confident that it is perfect. Here are a list of contradictions that you can look up yourself in your KJV Bible: Jeremiah 3:12 and Jeremiah 17:4 Does God keep grudges forever? Matthew 28:18 and 1 John 5:19 Who rules the world? Matthew 5:16 and Matthew 6:1 Should you be humble? John 9:39 and John 12:47 Is Jesus/Jehovah judging us? John 5:31 and John 8:14 Can Jesus/Jehovah testify on his own behalf? John 1:18 and Genesis 32:30 Matthew 22:37, Matthew 10:28, and 1 John 4:18