The Bible supports the pro-life cause.

I am confusing no such thing: in god's eyes no one is innocent. He cares not for the laws of men (his own words) so to attempt to 'empathize' with god and make a bold claim like 'he hates the shedding of innocent blood' with all the evidence to the contrary is a mistake. If we all deserve death 'spiritually', then it matters little what crimes we commit beyond the initial fault of simply being born. We exist in a perpetual state of deserving death. And as God has mandated and carried out genocide and murders of many 'innocents' per my opponent's definition it proves his second point wrong. "We have all sinned and so we are all deserving of death. But not everything is punishable by death." Once you establish the premise, the second part of this statement is irrelevant. "Because people die of natural causes does not give us grounds to kill someone intentionally." My opponent is setting up a strawman here. I did not draw my conclusion from this premise. I am addressing Pro's assertion that God 'hates' the death of innocents. Simply put: this is a contradiction of terms: if something dies it is not innocent and judgment has been levied by god. As no one is immortal, no one is innocent. It's that simple. God issues the deaths of everyone no matter their 'innocence' spiritual or otherwise. So to say he hates it would be false. As God cannot do anything he hates since it would be in contradiction to his nature. I am referring to the fact that the unborn have committed no act worthy of being killed. Once again my opponent is trying to straw man me. I am simply addressing his first point regarding God's treatment of the 'innocent.' And let me reiterate, it is not my place as Con to prove the bible supports abortion it is simply my place to prove it doesn't support pro-life. And by God demanding the death of everyone regardless of human crimes, It helps my case. "If God kils someone, that does not give us, his creation, the right to kill, as well." I never said it did. I once again, am only proving that the bible doesn't support the pro-life cause via God's representation (God is the moral standard for all). I don't have to prove that it supports pro-choice. To say those are the only two options would be a false dichotomy. My opponent dismisses the verses as judgments, but that still doesn't help his case. We have precedent for God killing children and human-law 'innocents.' So it attests to the fact that he doesn't 'detest' killing them. None of these verses prove Con's case; just the opposite. In keeping with the spirit of this form of debate tactic, I shall respond by saying: Er, no, it doesn't. Numbers 31:17 -- This is a perfect example of the fact that just because the Bible shows it does not mean it condones it. God did not tell anyone to keep the virgins for themselves. This was Moses speaking. God would not have condoned this. Moses was God's agent. The bible, contrary to some peoples' beliefs, was not written by God's hand, but by moral agents. Moses being one. And my opponent can assert that 'God would not have condoned this,' but I'll respond by asserting: he did, through Moses, as seen in scripture. In the same way God commanded genocide, the stoning of families, the murder of firstborn children. Premise 3 My opponent has shown no such reasoning regarding my opinion of the unborn. Previously he stated: "We have all sinned and so we are all deserving of death. But not everything is punishable by death." Once again, once you have that first part, the second half is irrelevant. "Since we are told not to murder, and we are made in God's image (as Con conceded), then we are not to kill the unborn..." We are told not to murder, we are made in god's image, but we are not told not to kill the unborn. In no passage does the bible forbid abortion. In no passage does the bible say not to miscarry, not to abort a fetus (using the word unborn would suffice here as well). And as we know, God is the example for morality, right? He is the standard? In fact aren't Christians commanded to emulate him? He curses the womb and causes miscarriages. He aborts children through curses and orders for the ripping-open of pregnant women. So any overt verses in the bible on the specific subject of abortion do not favor the pro-life cause. "The Bible does, in fact, consider unborn children to be human." No it doesn't. In the same way an expecting, pregnant mother may refer to the fetus in her womb as 'the baby' if you observe it medically it isn't actually 'a baby.' And calling something 'young' for instance would be applicable in these situations. You have both a 'young' child and a 'young' fetus. It is a matter of age, not intrinsic human value. Is a sperm human? Is an egg? How about the proteins making up a sperm? How about a fetus outside a womb; is that intrinsically human? Nothing in the bible suggests that we should consider fetus or newly fertilized eggs as human. And once again, I am not arguing that pro-choice is supported by the bible. I am simply saying that pro-life, isn't. There are no verses stating, "Abortion is wrong. Do not abort a fetus." God, as the standard for Christian morality, has allowed and commanded for the abortion of fetuses. This is the only overt scriptural passage referring to such an act and it is deemed permissible and righteous as it is an act carried out by God. (observe the previously mentioned verses.) Numbers 5: "This was a curse instituted by God." Exactly. God provided an abortion. Thus one could follow that a perfect, moral agent, is allowing for the morality of abortion. He can do nothing evil, therefore what he has done is righteous. Similarly, in the other verses that God commands and allows for abortion; this only goes to show that it is righteous and not contrary to the nature of God. As we see, taking verses out of context and twisting the Bible like a pretzel is par for the course when trying to support abortion. The Bible supports the pro-life case and does not support humans performing abortions. The conclusion of this statement doesn't in any way follow the premise. And no one is twisting the bible. We are quoting it. Nowhere does the bible state that 'abortion is immoral.' It's that simple. Abortion isn't murder and it isn't evil. How do I know it's not evil? Because God commands it, does it and sanctions in throughout scripture. This may not be enough to convince someone that the bible is pro-choice, but it most assuredly doesn't suggest that it is pro-life.