Quran alone : The misled Sunni/Shia (the followers of hadith for guidance)

3:79First there is an unneeded discussion of semantics about the difference between serving and worshipping. In which Pro then uses semantics to throw accusations using unclear terms like "near worship" and "idolization". I am a human being, so when I command you about a thing pertaining to religion, do accept it, and when I command you about a thing out of my personal opinion, keep it in mind that I am a human being. 'Ikrima reported that he said something like this. . http://sunnah.com...There has certainly been for you in the Messenger of Allah an excellent pattern for anyone whose hope is in Allah and the Last Day and [who] remembers Allah often. (Quran 33:21). http://quran.com...Say, [O Muhammad], "If you should love Allah , then follow me, [so] Allah will love you and forgive you your sins. And Allah is Forgiving and Merciful. " (Quran 3:31). http://quran.com...There is zero requirement to follow any culture or customs. However, we follow religious acts and ethical standards. As I said, how come you can't even explain how to pray using the Quran while claiming you can find every answer within it? Therefore, your statement is a Ad nauseam (Argument from repitition/Proof from asertion) fallacy.75:17-19[17] Indeed, upon Us is its collection [in your heart] and [to make possible] its recitation. [18] So when We have recited it [through Gabriel], then follow its recitation. [19] Then upon Us is its clarification [to you]. (Quran 75:17-19). http://quran.com...The verses are talking to a singular, not a group. Meaning that it can either be talking to the prophet or to the Muslims as a whole. Since only the prophet have angels reciting the Quran for him, this means that the verses are only speaking to the prophet. Really, unless you are claiming angels are communicating with you, you have no argument. Practical demonstration:You provided zero historical evidence to your claim. There is none. Did prophets instruct people to Hajj toward the Kaaba before Ibrahim? Perhabs Salat was something introduced to everyone after Mohammad (PBUH), and perhabs it wasn't. However, that is not the point. You actually conceeded your resolution in this debate and contradicted yourself. You were supposed to defend the claim that "The Quran alone is everything needed in Islam" (Hadith were your main obstacle), but now you are claiming that we also need to follow practical demonstrations from Ibrahim (PBUH) which may or may not have existed (Probably not due to the lack of any historical indication) ALONGSIDE the Quran. For argument's sake, lets assume Arabs knew how to pray but they just wouldn't do it. If that is the case, then there is absolutely no reason not to follow practical demonstrations from Mohammad (PBUH). If you mean that we should follow the practical demonstration Ibrahim taught his people (According to you) beside the Quran so we can learn how to pray, then I have won the debate. Explaining prayer and zakat through Quran:Once again, you are making a baseless assertion. You are claiming that the Quran is the only method of revelation, however that is untrue. [51] And it is not for any human being that Allah should speak to him except by revelation or from behind a partition or that He sends a messenger to reveal, by His permission, what He wills. Indeed, He is Most High and Wise. [52] And thus We have revealed to you an inspiration of Our command. You did not know what is the Book or [what is] faith, but We have made it a light by which We guide whom We will of Our servants. And indeed, [O Muhammad], you guide to a straight path -(Quran 42:51-52). http://quran.com...It can be a revelation with no medium like dreams or inspiration, it could be directly behind a partition like Allah talking to Moses (PBUH), or it can be via. an angel. It is interesting that you cited the same website that claimed there are only three required prayers per day in Islam. Unfortunately, the page you used as an argument doesn't answer my question: Although unlike in the case of sadaqa, the Quran nowhere mentions where the zakat should go, and by how much in relation to income or wealth, both sadaqa and zakat appear to mean the same thing in principle, and also in practice. So really, you are unable to explain how to perform obligatory duties using the Quran alone. And establish prayer and give zakah and obey the Messenger - that you may receive mercy. (Quran 24:56). http://quran.com...If we use the Quran alone we would not be able to learn how to do it. Thus we wouldn't be able to follow the Quran. Explaining the Quran:Allah did explain through his prophet, this answers your question. The wisdom behind choosing this method is an other topic. The Quran can be interrupted in different ways. Just like you claimed that "Obey the messanger" is an other term for "Obey what is written in the Quran" which is circular logic. I have already shown a Hadiths that shows Mohammad (PBUH) doing different. I believe the Hadith about following how he prays is more than sufficient. Now you show one prophet that do something your way. As a matter of fact, how did you even manage to get to that conclusion anyway? Mere assertion? Following your own desires?77:50Once again, it is a scolding to disbelievers (If you do not believe in the Quran, then what will you believe in), not a warning for people who believe in the Quran. To demonstrate my point, lets look at similar verses:. http://quran.com...So according to you:1- Allah praised his prophet as a clear warner.2- Allah took his prophet as a competiteor. His hadith vs the Quran.3- Allah warned the prophet's supporters and followers through the Quran, which was revealed through the prophet, to not follow what the prophet says. As I said, your interruption makes no sense. . http://quran.com...Notice the terms: (Enjoins - Forbids - Makes lawful - Prohibits - Relieves). The person performing these actions on behalf of Allah is Mohammad (PBUH). If all these only existed through the Quran, then these actions wouldn't have been atrributed to Mohammad (PBUH). Methods of revelation:The hadiths and prophet are the same method. Your analogy is false. To correct it, Tony further explains a concept in the book. Mohammad (PBUH) is the final messenger (33:40). Meaning that the commands of Allah applies to the end of time. Since these commands are also included in Hadith, they aslo apply to the end of time. Of course there are a number of principles that helps us accommodate for the change of time like "Don't hurt others or yourself". I agree that Mohammad (PBUH) is affected by human limitations and can makes mistakes just like anyone else. However, you have not responded to the point that this does not apply to religious matter and duties. [2] Your companion [Muhammad] has not strayed, nor has he erred,[3] Nor does he speak from [his own] inclination. [4]It is not but a revelation revealed,(Quran 53:2-4). http://quran.com...Hadith not only allow us better understanding, they also put boundaries. For example, does a merchant you cut the hand of a boy who stole an apple, or are there courts, amount stolen, intention behind stealing, whether breaking in was involved etc. .. Logically following commandament:A very weak analogy sicne you wouldn't even know the cause you are fighting for. Judgement of the Prophet:You are not paying attention are you? Yes I am as that is what is written in the verse. Funny thing you did not deny it. Prophets are sent with revelation. There is no point in sending them if they do not follow it. Following Mohammad's (PBUH) judgement would be following Allah's command. Prophets do not insist on errors or repeat them, and they ask for forgiveness (Adam & Moses). Asking for forgiveness doesn't mean that they may enter hell, it means piety and being humble. . http://sunnah.com...Asking people of Zikr:You did not answer my question. If the Quran is all you need, why are you required to ask anyone? Bayan:Do you consider the Quran man-made? I mean the people who recorded, wrote it, etc. . are men. What matters is the content. The Prophet's response:Do you mean the Hadiths like where he told us to pray like he does are all false and forged? You did not prove this statement. Indirectly misleading:Once again, you did not prove that the verses are talking about prophets and not an anonymous person. And yes, that means that you are claiming Allah is indirectly leading people to falsehood:And We did not send any messenger except to be obeyed by permission of Allah . And if, when they wronged themselves, they had come to you, [O Muhammad], and asked forgiveness of Allah and the Messenger had asked forgiveness for them, they would have found Allah Accepting of repentance and Merciful. (Quran 4:64). http://quran.com...http://quran.com...http://quran.com...Irrelevant verse:Throwing a fit over ignoring the context. Irrelevant to the issue being discussed. I have no idea how you came to the conclusion that the verse is talking about a prophet instead of a normal person. I am baffled by how you are so sure with zero supporting evidence. In fact, you even ignored the verses about how prophets should be followed. Right and Wrong:Sigh. You rarely ever explain your assumptions or provide evidence. Why are other types of revelations unprophetic? The prophet is unworthy of seperating right and wrong in Hadiths? What the prophet commanded:Wow! Mere assertions. Unfortunately, you did not provide evidence that Mohammad (PBUH) did not say anything in Hadiths. Sahaba:Once again, you missed the point and ignored my questions. Red herring since I didn't say Sahaba means righteous or all Sahaba are righeous. Perfection:Sunna is not asking for a replacement for the Quran, it is asking from someone who knows the Quran better than anyone else. I am not sure what you mean by perfect. However, you can't explain basic acts of worship using the Quran alone.