Artificial Human #17 would have likely defeated Piccolo if Cell hadn't arrived...

Technique Argument ---------------------------- My opponent makes reference to Piccolo's Super Large Body Technique, and the Multi-Form technique as an attempt to explain why Piccolo might eclipse #17 in this fight, but his argument is not without it's flaws. My opponent 'Logical Master', proposes the following scenario: "Piccolo could simply increase his size to a level which grants him far greater strength as he did in Dragon Ball. As my source indicates, even when doing this, his speed doesn't decrease at all. Thus, while being much larger, Piccolo will be much stronger and shall hence have a definite edge over 17. As long as he didn't become too big and kept his guard up, 17 would be unable to take advantage of his size as Goku did during their battle. " Throughout the history of DBZ, there have been no such cases of this technique being used in such a manner, which would lead to reasonable doubt that he can at all, much in the way that we only see Saiyans in their Oozaru forms as being, for the most part, relatively equal in size. We can see from Logical Master's sources, that once Piccolo increased his mass, the fight was only complicated for PICCOLO, not Goku. This technique ultimately proved to be a failure, and Piccolo consequently reverted to normal size. It's also no surprise that this technique is never seen again due to the potential hazards it poses towards its user. My opponent also proposes a scenario in which Piccolo uses the multiform technique and "Special Beam Cannon" technique, which he claims could catch #17 off guard; however, it is NEVER demonstrated in the manga that Piccolo even can utilize the multi-form technique AT ALL, and is therefore considered FILLER, and should therefore be discredited. The case for bluffs ------------------------- My opponent is in agreement that #17 and Piccolo were stated to have even power, no arguments there. But my opponent also states that Piccolo was a more skilled fighter because of certain of certain comments Piccolo addressed to #17 during the fight. Piccolo states the following "You're pretty fast. But you don't punch very hard". My opponent clearly hasn't speculated about the value of bluffing and verbal provocation. There are times in the history of Dragonball Z when a character has used such tactics to gain a psychological edge, ESPECIALLY when no attribute advantage is apparent. It shouldn't be a stretch of the imagination to understand the effect a well placed insult might have on your enemy (whether warranted or unwarranted) to throw them off balance and gain the upper hand. Let's now consider that concept by observing #17's punch to Piccolo's stomach. When you look at the strike, you can clearly see the imprint of #17's FIST protruding through Piccolo's BACK; the power is clearly demonstrated by the depth of penetration to Piccolo's body. Piccolo also keels over, astonishingly. .. Piccolo's statement is admissible, because we can see clearly that #17's strikes are VERY effective. While we are on the subject, most of Piccolo's attacks failed (either blocked, evaded, or countered), and the ones that actually connected, are a cry far from the observable effect #17's strikes had on Piccolo! Therefore, my opponents assertions of Piccolo having an advantage through skill are unproven. #17 is unfazed by Piccolo's remarks, and #17 continues to pick his opponent apart with swift, stern attacks. A skill beyond design -------------------------- My opponent also states "17 is easy to distract as we saw earlier on in the battle when the namekian Z warrior had nearly ensnared him in the technique which is colloquially referred to as the 'Hell Zone grenade'". (Let's remember that Dr. Gero studied the Z fighters techniques, observed their power, and implemented this technical research into the creation of his Artificial Humans. ) As far as my opponent stating that "#17 is easy to distract", this is simply false. As soon as the energy bullets were airborne and surrounding #17, he directed them to its designated target; this was a very swift measure, however #17 still managed an effective barrier defense. Quite a defensive feat for an attack not in the data bank! .. . My opponents argument asserts that "If Piccolo were to mount another assault which relied on 17's lowered guard, he would likely be successfully killing him with a devastating ki attack. ", however, this testimony completely turns a blind eye to Piccolo's low success rate of inflicting damage, along with the fact that Piccolo is the one receiving the most hits, draining his energy even more. The hourglass of fatigue -------------------------------- My opponents statement that having eternal energy would " bear little to no meaning in terms of the outcome of that fight", should be met with certain scrutiny. If #17's opponent shows no evidence of superiority (rather the opposite), possessing limitless energy would prove to be a very CRUCIAL attribute. Every move Piccolo makes has a price, and Piccolo's "Hellzone Grenade" for example, proved to be nothing more than a theatrical waste of energy, #17 suffers no such disadvantage (#17 hasn't even used an energy attack at this point). For the reasons listed above, my opponent does not demonstrate that Piccolo holds any advantage over #17, but we know for a fact that #17 has very important advantages such as eternal stamina, a higher rate than his opponent at evasion, and a higher rate of landing devastating strikes against his opponent. In subsequent arguments, I will examine the fight, piece by piece, and further prove my arguments, however I will offer my opponent a chance to form his rebuttal, so that I may respond and additional arguments to further my case. Sources and Explanations. .. This is where the multi-form technique appeared as filler in the anime, but not in the manga (Nappa battle). .. . http://www.mangafox.com... The manga cuts directly to Goku confirming Piccolo's training in the 'Room of Spirit and Time'. In no instance was it shown in the manga that Piccolo used the multi-form technique. .. . http://www.mangafox.com... In no instance did Piccolo battle Gohan before the arrival of the Saiyans using the multi-form technique. .. . . http://www.mangafox.com... Pre-game smack talk between Piccolo and Krillin. .. . http://www.mangafox.com... #17's devastating counter attacks. .. . http://www.mangafox.com... . http://www.mangafox.com... Dr. Gero's #20's testimony that technical data about the Z Senshi was used to create formidable opponents. .. . . http://www.mangafox.com...