New and improved debate -- "Braveheart" was mostly true

"Moray's role at the battle of Stirling Bridge was essential... why isn't he depicted in the movie? I think you mean Mornay and later in the scene, he and the rest of the nobles on horseback are indeed shown. Watch later into the scene. The oncoming Scottish horsemen cause Talmadge to cry, "Retreat!" "The movie shows them defending against an English charge, not charging the English as actually happened. Isn't it essential to depict who was on offense and who on defense? The movie shows the English foolishly withholding the infantry and sending the calvary into a static Scottish line. As you have cut & paste, history tells us that the English force north of the river was almost entirely infantry." This point of view is subjective. Obviously when you're oppressed by another country, you're gonna try to fight off your oppressors. Of course in the Anglo-Saxon point of view, the Scottish warriors were savages. But that's not how Scots see it. Depends on who you talk too really. "Dramatic stuff. Why then did Bravehart choose to go with the old movie clich" of two massed lines clashing?" I honestly don't know how to respond to that, except I never said "Braveheart" was a 100% true, but mostly true, so maybe they did cut that out. "Braveheart depicts the Welsh as friendly to Wallace, which is belied by the factual account." Actually, the film is ambiguous on that. The only people who they show to be allies is the Irish. Nothing is said about the Welsh, and even the French are not shown to take sides in this war. They've got their own problems to deal with when it comes to England. Isabella wasn't even born when Wallace was alive, that I agree is the one wrong aspect of the film. It is never stated that Wales is friendly to Scotland. As a matter of fact, the Welsh are shown as joining Longshank's army. "Welsh bowmen as they call it" "Well, any worthwhile knight of Wallace's time would have already known this to be true. If infantry were never superior to calvary, why bring them?" It seems not so much that the English were inferior, but they made a bad choice of going up against a bigger enemy, however, much like a game says the results, this says it too, they behaved as though they were an inferior army towards the Scottish army, and the movie shows this very well. "Now imagine the spirit of one those poor unfortunate lowland farmers or monks that were actually forced (under threat of hanging) to fight at the Battle of Stirling Bridge for a foreign French lord for whose squabbles he cared little. While Wallace watched the battle from a hill to the north, these commoners fought and achieved victory for him. Few of the ordinary fallen would have been commemorated or their families compensated. Imagine if that peasant could see this movie and see how Wallace is depicted. How deeply ironic and offensive Wallace's freedom speech would seem to the actual combatants; roughly the equivalent of depicting Robert E. Lee preaching freedom to his slaves. In Braveheart, history has been replaced by heroic fantasy, and per usual, the ordinary soldier gets the shaft." Now this one is matter of opinion. Robert E Lee was actually more of English/Anglo-Saxon ancestry and he was very proud. The English would see him as a hero, not the Scottish, but against that's my opinion. Though I don't think he was a true Confederate for certain reasons, reasons which I'll get into later.