The law concerning abortion rights for Americans, should stay the way it is.

>>I never said or implied that having a child is going to kill both parents. You obviously need to read it again.<< I was taking a 'stab in the dark' as to what your "hypothetical scenario" was meaning to convey. You never told me what it meant. You told me to keep the scenario in mind as I read the next venture pertaining to the 15-year-old girl. AT NO POINT did i see any relevance to it. I regret that there isn't another round, so you could explain what you DID say/imply with that well-thought out and detailed scenario you very kindly blessed us with. >>But the people who are going to get the baby aborted anyway, need a way to remove the human without harming themselves.<< This logic is very weak. We have deemed it unethical to kill the innocent, and getting an abortion is indeed killing the innocent. Why, then, do the people killing the innocent DESERVE the, dare I say, luxury of the insurance that if they decide to kill their kid, then we have a safe way for them to do so. By making it illegal, and forcing them to choose to have an abortion the unsafe way, we are actually passively persuading these people to not go through with it. I guarantee that a substantially lesser amount of people(even people under circumstances that my opponent has mentioned i.e., 15-y-o girl) will go get abortion when it's in a back alley, known to be dangerous, and unsafe, than they would if it was clean, easy, and accessible. [3] >>And there are many cases where aborting the baby is best for the baby.<< While the case you give after this is indeed one that is best for the baby, there are not many. In the cases, like the one you mention, that are better for the baby, then I completely agree that the baby should be aborted. But only when the doctor's diagnosing the deformation that is going to lead to a slow, painful death is 100% positive that this is going to happen. We have to give the baby the benefit of the doubt in any other circumstance, because everyone deserves a chance for a fruitful life, unless we know for CERTAIN that the chance does not exist. Realize that this still leaves ~95%(at the minimum) of abortion instances that should still be illegal. [1] >>honestly, I don't know why a 15 year old girl would not want to give birth to a baby, maybe because...she is 15?? Just a guess.<< Albeit giving birth at 15 years of age would be an inconvenience(a MAJOR inconvenience), it can be done. So we must question ourselves... Is avoiding this inconvenience worth the cost of a life? >>I never said that it was going to happen 100% of the time. You need to read that part again too.<< Oh, but you did. You first gave the precedent involving a 15yo getting pregnant. Then here are your words: "That girl is going to do everything in her power to get rid of that baby" Using "is" in this context signifies an absolute. An absolute is 100%. Therefore, you did say it was going to happen 100% of the time. >>I don't think the woman crying over her dead baby's body is a 'murderer'.<< Even a women showing sadness or even remorse for her actions, does not negate these actions. There are people locked up in Alcatraz that are sorry and probably cry over what they've done. It doesn't bring the victim back. [2] >>And comparing an abortion to a rape event is a little extreme.<< I agree. It is a bit extreme. But following the line of logic that you presented, this is what follows. >>But for the woman( in my scenario in round 3), if abortion was illegal, then that baby, again, would have died slowly.<< Extend my argument i have denoted as [1]. >>You have to understand, that if I got my girl pregnant, I would want to give it up for adoption. I would hate to kill a baby, let alone my own child just as much as anyone else. But, a woman doesn't want to deal with **pregnancy stress, body image, issues or pain when giving birth. Plus, she might not want everyone knowing that she got pregnant.**<< Yes. These things{between the double asterisks(**)} that a woman would have to deal with would be quite difficult. I can't imagine the immeasurable pain that ensues when giving birth(of course, with modern technology, we now have drugs that lessen this pain greatly. This, perhaps, nullifies having to "deal" with this). BUT*: Is it worth a human life so that a woman can retain her body image? Of course not. Is it worth a human life to relieve the women's stress? Of course not. Lastly, is it worth a human life so that a women does not have to deal with rumors and scorn? No. None of these come close to justifying the loss of the human life. >>By making abortion Illegal, my opponent is, in a way, for what he tried so hard to fight against in this debate. If having an abortion was Illegal, (for the woman who had the deformed child in this round.) That baby would have died a horrible painful death.<< Here, my opponent is reiterating what he said earlier, regarding the deformed child scenario. Extend my arguments @ [1]. >>But making abortion Illegal in the United states is not helping anyone.<< It's helping the thousands and thousands of human beings that are currently being killed, and the one's in the future that will die, if we don't put a stop to it. >>The woman who is crying next to the corps of her lifeless baby, is NOT a murderer.<< Extend argument denoted as [2]. >>Girls would continue the practice of unsafe abortions and it is our job as human beings to help lessen the pain of others.<< Extend argument denoted as [3]. (My 2nd response in this round) Also, I didn't know that was our job. It sure is a good thing to do, but honestly, it isn't our job. This issue really comes down to when you think life begins. Doesn't it begin as soon as it can be ended? Thank you, Alexander_The_Great, for a great(aha) debate. You included some very thoughtful scenarios. I had not thought of the exception that you proved to me regarding the deformed, pained child. At the very least, you have convinced me that abortions should be legal in that case. Hope to debate again :)