Socialized Medicine is bad for America!

"This is true, but the people who CHOOSE not to work, CHOOSE to be on welfare." You give way to the idea that people immediately see cause and effect. While they perhaps should, I am not so sure that people see this in the same way. But as I mentioned before, the people who choose not to work are not counted in unemployment rates and therefore are not part of the original 3% you cited in your second argument that cannot receive health care. The number is probably much more, though I cannot say I have read this to be certain. "Why would I pay for something I don't necessarily need?" The system pays for very basic health care, only that which is necessary should a person ever need it (which at one point in their lives they probably will) and does not cover things such as "dental services, optometrists, and prescription medications." So people would only get that which they should be entitled to under their right to life in our constitution and so one who does not want or need the other things will not have to pay for them, but they certainly can if they want to. "Affirmative action is politically correct B.S. I believe in the best man for the job. People should not get a job based on color, creed or ethnicity. That has nothing to do with health care" I brought it up as a possible explanation for some of the unemployed in America that can't afford health care from themselves to show that for many their source of income can be out of their control at times. "Back in the 40's and 50's they did not have insurance companies and medical prices were not through the roof." I could not find anything that supported this statement but I did find an excerpt from a book on American health care that says that health insurance boomed at this same time in history, partly because they didn't want to spend their money after taxes on health care. If health care was part of our taxes, that wouldn't be a problem. "Don't try to make a connection to oil out of all of this. That is way off topic." While yes the industries are very different, the comparison can be made to any private company in a capitalist system. I was merely trying to provide a parallel for this idea: if you have private companies (or individuals as you support) competing for prices, they can make the prices whatever they want. With examples of this everywhere, SUCH AS in the gas industry. It seems very feasible that doctors would do the same. "I am not talking about Wal-mart if I was I wouldn't have used the word entrepreneurs. I am talking about companies like the car ford dealership I work for." 1. I still worry about those who care more about their perks than the well-being of their fellow Americans. 2. It is the general status quo that benefit packages come from how well a private company did that year. It explains why one Ford dealership may give some benefits to their employees and other dealerships may not give those. "One of the biggest problems with socialized medicine is that only the people working legitimate jobs will be taxed." This is really the point. National health care is intended to give all citizens in a country access to good health and they are taxed according to their ability to pay, so their ability to pay would be based off of a person's income. It would be like giving to charity in a more obvious way if you want to look at it that way. And I am curious to know what you mean by "legitimate" jobs. "Where do you think the government will draw the line for things we need?" Our government is based on the voters: we vote for what our government does or does not give us. I believe in our ability to know the difference between what Americans need and what would be useful to have, which we have already done in most cases. People need food, they can get food stamps. People need money, they can go on welfare until they find a substantial job. People do not need cars, they are merely useful "I did cite the story of Fido and the MRI it came from "the Washington Post" Unlike you I do not pull all of my information off of the Internet" 1. I apologize. You are correct. You did cite this. I should have said that I would like to have seen that as opposed to asking you to cite it. I greatly appreciate that you found an Internet source for me to read and I found it very interesting. 2. This is still the only information that you cited. I would also like to say that I used internet sources mainly so you could see them and because they were quicker information to retrieve than finding a book in a library. "Personal advice to you… read a book once in a while" I find that this comment, along with several others you have made, attacks my character and intelligence and presents information that you do not know and I suggest you would not use in future debates. "I know what my personal financial situation is. You do not!" Again, I wish you would not make this debate so personal for your sake, mine, and our viewer's sakes. While we may sympathize for your situation, it does not serve for the issue you are debating on the whole but instead your experience for this topic. Personal viewpoints also do not serve why topics such as this one should or should not be imposed on society as a whole but instead on why they should not be imposed on you. "Socialism leads to communism" 1.This seems to be a sweeping fallacy and could be compared to the idea that the implement of a Libertarian-like program would lead to anarchy. 2.I would also like to note that your concern that a Socialist ideal would create a Communist society is backwards in historical context. Most societies go from communism to socialism to somewhere between that and democracy where most of the leading countries in the world are now. A good example of this is Russia's government. "I have not met a single person who has ever been denied medical treatment in their life due to a shortage on cash." As much as I would like to believe your personal experience (and it is mine too), I cannot know that our experience is completely true. I would like it to be. I cannot say though until I see evidence one way or another. "If we lived in a communist or socialist nation right now George W. Bush would pick your Dr" I have not found any information that would prove this to be true for a socialized health care. Since we do not live in a communist or socialist nation, nor would we with nationalized health care, there seems to be no reason why this would be true. "our government did a horrible job handling Hurricane Katrina what makes people think they will do better with health care?" I agree that they did a terrible job with Hurricane Katrina. I would like to note, though, that this was a spontaneous event that had to be reacted to quickly while the health care system would have time to be thought out and planned as it already has been. I would also like to note that the people who did such a terrible job with Katrina are not the people who would be running national health care. I would like to thank you for this debate. It has been informative and interesting and I hope to have the pleasure again. Sources: http://www.canadian-healthcare.org... Delivering Health Care in America: A Systems Approach By Leiyu Shi, Douglas A. Singh (Can be read on Google books)