Universities that are caught stealing software should be excluded from Cork 2008/2009 world's debate

I will now respond to my opponent. 1st Rebuttal: I was quoting what seemed to be your main points and then refuting them. Yes, this is a common tactic in debate. I also did my best to interpret your arguments in the last round. 2nd and 3rd Rebuttal: Again, I will restate my alternative. If the ones who are priting the software are found guilty, then they will suffer an even harsher blow to their reputation. Many ofthem would lose their jobs. Should no justice be served because of poor justice in the country of which the University is in, then internation trade could be used as a weapon to pressure the justice. Specifically 2nd: Therefore, the best way to ruin the respect of the software pirates is to make ruin their public image in this mattter rather than ban them from this debate. Specifically 3rd: "The opposition's proposal of firing and fining, would only work in countries that have very little corruption. Not only that, but how does the opposition deal with the perpetrators when they are the ones in a position to ask questions, and fire people? The opposition has no idea how to fix the problem! " To restate the point above, international infamy decreases the likelihood of a potential student looking into attending that particular university. This alone would apply pressure against corrupt universities. 4th Rebuttal: My proposal of an international embargo was for the countries who refuse to investigate, discourage, and incriminate piracy. This is not a contradiction becuase it is not group punishment; it is the punishment solely of those responsible. My proposal that a university not be further punished after all of the guilty ones are removed was directed at such governments that do investigate, discourage, and incriminate software pirates. An embargo on those "perpetrators when they are the ones in a position to ask questions, and fire people" would peacefully pressure those governments to investigate, discourage, and incriminate piracy. 5th Rebuttal: Again, you are arguing my point. The resolution of preventing priating universities from attending this debate does not target the pirates and only hurts the best of the student body that would be participating in this debate. 6th Rebuttal: Correct! Both the PRO and CON agree that pirating software is bad and harmful in many ways. This is a neutral argument. The debate is not over whether piracy is bad and has negative effects; it is over whether or not software-pirating universities should be allowed at the Cork debates. 1st clash: "The United Kingdom has decided to stop all trade, and will begin patrols effective immediately. " The embargo proposal was for countries that do not punish piracy. The U. K. does. . http://bigblog.com... A country would not stop all trade, just all trade with a select few countries. Also, note that it does work in third world countries as an economic burden: "Isolating/sanctioning has worked in Libya and North Korea, just to name a few. " Side note: "This Clash Point clearly goes to the government! " I am unsure who you are referring to as the government. "The point that the government is trying to make" Are you the government? Kind of odd. Which country are you referring to? "In the government's case, nobody dies or gets hit with a phosphorous grenade; they are just prevented from attending a prestigious event. " Or is it me? What country? Back to the debate. 2nd Clash: a) No one government will go around the world policing everybody. Each country will be responsibe for its own pirates. Those who do not show this responsibitily will be sanctioned against until they do. b) If there are many other debates, then not being able to go to the Cork one will not effect the decision of any debate club sponsors of whether or not to fund the club. The university just won't go to that one and go on with its merry way. No behavior will be changed. Arguing against my opponent's recap of the debate: "The government wants to use isolation as a way to change inappropriate behavior. The government has shown that it works at a global level. The government has also shown that the good of the many out-weighs the suffering of the few. " This supports my argument, which states that we should not trade with countries that steal software in order to pressure such pro-piracy governments into discouraging, investigating, and incriminating criminals, more than it supports my opponent's argument, which says that isolating universites from one debate tournament will influence them to change their ways. "The opposition wants to arrest everyone, and in places where they can't arrest anyone, they want to impose a country-to-country embargo that would destroy lives and cause people to go hungry! " No, I want countries to police themselves of piracy. Countries that do not police themselves will be hit will a burden of an international trade block until they do. Also, if people were to start to starve, they wouldn't just sit around; they'd figure out who's responsible. If a revolt would eliminate pircay, then my proposition has done more harm than good. Also, as the point brought up by my opponent states, ". .. this objectionable behavior causes social harms, such as convincing impressionable students that using pirated software is ok! The second premise chips away at a student's attitude towards intellectual property rights. The university has an obligation to act as a role model for young and impressionable minds, and when it fails to do so, students will copy/replicate the behavior that they witness. This creates a massive market for groups that pirate DVD's, CD's, and Software. The economic loss, worldwide, is in the billions of dollars. " If this piracy movement continues and expands, it could eventually lead to a depression. Therefore, piracy must be stopped. My recap of this debate: 1. It is clear that banning a universities from this debate harms the students attending this university that are not guilty of software piracy. 2. It is even clearer that banning the universites will not discourage piracy, and other methods are more appropriate.