Corporate greed is more harmful than taxes collected by the government

" Hospitals are mostly run by HMOs." " HMO corporations do /not/ create health care," Contradiction "HMOs decide what and how much they fund." In a free market, whether you join an HMO or pay your own way is up to you. "The CEO is between you and essentialy services." Wrong. Unless you are somehow capable of paying for it in their absence, they aren't "between" you and anything, except in the sense of providing it. "If the HMO says to pull the plug, no matter what the doctor or patient want, the plug gets pulled." Not if the contract says otherwise. "This was admitted to in testimony before Congress!" People will admit to all kinds of crazy things when their livelihoods depend on it, and make no question about it, dissent from the official party line by a company in a business as government-controleld as health care is not healthy for the company. " no one gets free medicine ... an indigent who goes to the ER gets a $700 bill that will get reported to the credit bureau before they even do anything." If someone is already screwed credit wise, such is essentially free. "Someone who commits the crime of getting sick gets punished with a bad credit score. " A "Bad credit score" is not a punishment. It's an accurate assessment of your likelihood of repayment. Further, the crime is not getting sick, but stealing expensive health care :) "Aside from the fact that tens of millions of Americans would not have any fire protection at all anymore" How many people who are poor enough that they wouldn't be able to afford fire insurance (with the relevant drop in their taxes) own significant assets to protect from fire? "those who do will pay many times more than they currently do in taxes to fund stock dividends and multi-million-dollar executive bonuses" Such things only happen for companies on an EXTREMELY large scale, as a result of the efficiency gains of that large scale. The per customer efficiency gains necessarily out way the per customer costs of these things, or incorporation on that scale will become economically undoable. "and if the "FMO" decides to be less than thorough in funding" You mean, if the customer chooses to sign a contract covering less than thorough insurance (to get cheaper insurance). Their choice. "the cream of the U.S. crop has the absolute best in the world?... Sweden, I believe carries that spot! The best tech, and its universal health care! In fact we import a lot of medical tech from Sweden." Sauce? And "Importing tech" from Sweden means it's OUR markets paying for it. "WTF, you think it is -good- to let unrpoductive people die from diseases expensive to treat?" As opposed to slavery? Certainly. "and very much in opposition to life, liberty and the persuit of happiness and justice for all." Let's analyze this: The right to life implies the right to one's OWN life-- not the right to enslave another. liberty and pursuit of happiness (property) require my plan. "Justice" iscausality applied to human action. Health care is only caused by production-- and can only justly be applied to the productive. " What evidence? That's patently false, the W.H.O. proved it! No socialized health care system costs more than our corporatized one!" R2 link proves our health care IS socialized. " So HMOs should not be slaves to actually fund their customers' health care as they are supposedly in the business of?" They should be held to contracts- no more. "Employers rich enough to offer heatlh care benefits don't buy into more than one option," Clarifying-- government created employer-tied insurance, by tying tax privileges to it. Otherwise, you would be paid more wages, and free to choose health care in an open market :). Indeed, gov't created our present insurance system entirely, without it, out-of-pocket health costs would be affordable (especially due to lack of free riding, lack of duty-to-care laws.)