The Quaran is not God's Word

hello again. so since you haven't repeated things about Zul-Qarnain and Sunset and Muhammad being the first Muslim and the problem with Sunni books and age of Aisha not being 9 and death of Jesus and prophets calling themselves Muslim, i guess those are cleared, no? if so, I'm happy. about Quran not having any prophecy in it: 1- In the early 7th century, the two most powerful empires at the time were the Byzantine and Persian Empires. In the years 613 - 614 C.E the two Empires went to war, with the Byzantines suffering a severe defeat at the hands of the Persians. Damascus and Jerusalem both fell to the Persian Empire. In the chapter, The Romans, in the Holy Quran, it is stated that the Byzantines had met with a great defeat but would soon gain victory. It happened that they achieved victory against the Persians in a battle on the Dead Sea: "The Romans have been defeated in the lowest land, but after their defeat they will soon be victorious. Within three to nine years. The decision of the matter, before and after, is with God." (Quran 30:2-4) also, in this verse, the place of their defeat was mentioned "lowest of Lands". that battle took place in the dead sea, which is actually the lowest point on earth. about Muhammad being illiterate: you say prove it, then you say it doesn't matter and is irrelevant?! make your point man. about him being illiterate and not receiving any teaching from any human being 1- Quran "And thou wast not (able) to recite a Book before this (Book came), nor art thou (able) to transcribe it with thy right hand: In that case, indeed, would the talkers of vanities have doubted. " 29:48 "Those who follow the messenger, the unlettered Prophet, whom they find mentioned in their own (scriptures),- in the law and the Gospel;- " 7:157 so Quran, it clearly states it. 2- history: there is no record of him being able to read and write and receive any teaching about this from anyone. history shows that in mecca only a handful of people could read and write, but a lot of merchants came to Mecca to sell their goods. so in those days, being able to read and write wasn't a necessity for trade. even western historians like Carlyle, will Durant, Constantin Virgil Gheorghiu ... have stated in their books that Muhammad was illiterate. about: "Just to show the absurdity and the confusion in the Qur'an let us see the verse 70:4:" "The angels and the spirit ascend unto him in a Day the measure whereof is (as) fifty thousand years." "He rules (all) affairs from the heavens to the earth: in the end will (all affairs) go up to Him, on a Day, the space whereof will be (as) a thousand years of your reckoning." this is actually a very good question. in Islam, we believe that the day of judgement, if compared to time on earth, would be equal to 50000 years for us. and it has 50 stops. if you're a true believer, you won't wait and will pass quickly and go to heaven, if not, you have to wait your turn. in those stops God and angels ask people about what they've done in their life. since Surah 70, is talking about day of judgement for unbelievers the 50000 year is mentioned. as for Surah 34, its talking about creation of world and affairs of earth and heaven ascending to him. and says "(Allah) Rules the cosmic affair from the heavens to the Earth. Then this affair travels to Him a distance in one day, at a measure of one thousand years of what you count." and as for scientific proof that you say that site didn't provide, which actually did but you didn't care to look: http://www.speed-light.info... about This site claims that Sura 32:5 told the 7th century Arabs what the speed of light is. it doesn't. it simply means that it was there all along about "Things like the shape of the earth and the expanding universe were plagiarized from the Bible which already said thousands of years before there was a Quran that the earth is a circle and God stretches out the heavens." Muhammad prophethood happened 600 years after Jesus, so how could bible be written thousands of years before Quran? explain please. actually: The Christian Bible says that Earth is a 2 dimensional flat disk and the heaven is like a canopy: Isaiah 40:22. And since Earth is flat then Jesus could see the entire Earth from a single high location Matthew 4:8 about "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, its all subjective and doesn't prove a thing" well, i invite you to simply listen to this. it's Surah Maryam. which talks about holy Mary and Jesus. and when all people of a nation find it beautiful, then it's beautiful. about "Muhammad had found a gullible audience who gobbled everything he told them uncritically. He never thought one day his words will be scrutinized by people smarter than his benighted followers and his lies will be exposed." well, i guess you're talking about paul not Muhammad here. we're debating and you're losing, so the gullible one is you who can't even answer why your book is so against science? (previous debate about trinity and Jesus being God.) about scientific facts of Quran and Muslims not knowing about all of them right now: well, it's obvious. Quran is a book which is meant to be a guideline for people until the day of judgement. and it's layer over layer of depth and information. not one of Muslims excepts our infallible Imams claim that they know Quran completely. and verses don't have only one meaning, there is a simple meaning for normal people, then there are other meanings and interpretations for more advance people. it's like a book of codes and signs, that the deeper you delve into it, the more depth you find which never ends. therefor saying something like Speed of light is ... in Quran, wouldn't really work, because that's too specific and Quran is a guidance not a mere scientific text. also directly including all that knowledge into a book would make it be like 10 billion billion pages of info. "This is just modern Muslims trying to force a modern view into their old document." not really, if you could read that site you would know that that's not the case. and as for discoveries of Musims you can check this out: http://www.cyberistan.org... you say "So Muhammad did not write the Quran, he did not bring a book." then you say "Muhammad did not write the Quran; he recited it. Others wrote down what Muhammad recited over several years" i mean did he bring a book or did he not bring a book? reciting the words of God exactly as it was revealed and having other people write it down, is bringing a book. about creation of things, the reasoning was sound and perfect. if A is made from B, and B is made from C, then A is made from C. also with the pen example: if you say you wrote the letter with a pen, or with your hands, or yourself, does it make it wrong? they come one after the other, they are not parallel to each other. if you make a desk from logs of wood, and those logs are made from a tree, then you can say that the desk is made from a tree. about "No 50-year-old man had no right ejaculating in a little teenage girl! So even if she was 17 as you say this doesn't look very Godly" you're just shooting in the dark hoping to hit something aren't you? if your not ok with couples having intimacy, that's really your own business. but i tell you this: if woman is ok with it, father of woman is ok with it, man is ok with it, and God is ok with it, does it matter if you're not Ok with it? it doesn't. it's legal marriage. and if you've something against legal marriage, what do you say about this: https://en.wikipedia.org... about "Nobody knows exactly who wrote it, so its not true that an illiterate man wrote it" an illiterate man can not write something... and no one said prophet Muhammad did. the fact that only one version of Quran exist today that Muslims accept as true Quran, and the fact that a lot of Muslims memorized it when it was revealed to Muhammad, and the fact that Imam Ali and some of the Other disciples had wrote it down completely, and there was a reference Quran that people could use during the life of Muhammad, and the fact that pieces of it that existed in people's houses in different Islamic cities were gathered by Uthman and destroyed, and completed version of Quran was sent to them, and the fact that Muslims have always been really connected to Quran and they recite it in their ceremonies and prayers and even teach it to their children from early ages (and this was the case during the life of Muhammad as well), also, the incident that Moaviyeh during his rule wanted to change one word of Quran but faced Strong opposition of Abuzar and couldn't do it, show that Quran has not changed, even one word. and since Quran was spread thought the world, and yet the same Quran exists today after 1400 years, means that it has not changed at all. and at the end, these reasons should be enough for you to at least doubt your words, and start considering Quran as the word of God. if you can't see yourself converting to Islam, at least do not curse Prophet Muhammad or his book, because if you're wrong and we're right, even Jesus wont forgive you.