The users known as Ragnar_Rahl, PoeJoe, beem0r and s0m31john ought to play the next mafia game

=========================================================================== RE (2) #1. Leethal ought to play because he has claimed he wishes to play ============================================================================ In response to my argument on this issue, CON counters me by claiming that one's want for something is not justification for that something. To support, PRO cites teenagers wanting of drugs and sex and points out that this does not necessarily mean they should partake in drugs or sex, however, if we are to take note of my entire argument, then PRO's objection fails for three reaons: 1) I claimed leethal should play based on the value of hedonism (though not to be taken heavily). If the actions were to result in there being anti-self pleasure (such as how the implications from his example suggest), this wouldn't truly be upholding this value. 2) PRO's argument is merely side stepping the issue. Even if we are to agree with his argument, that still doesn't explain why Leethal ought NOT to play. 3) As I had pointed out in my later point, there is really nothing for an individual to lose in playing mafia (contrary to any of what my opponent has pointed out or may intend to point out). Thus, this response of his is utterly meaningless. As for as Leethal not being relevant to this debate goes, if you'd be so kind as to take a gander back at my first round, I clearly point out the full resolution to this debate (in the very first line) (which includes leethal's name). Debater's on this website often do this given that topics aren't always able to fit all the information they wish to have in it. PRO has failed to give any reason as to why my clarification in my FIRST ROUND should not be counted, but even on the off chance he does so next round, he will have the burden of overcoming this website's precedent as well as the fact that he made no attempt to object to me clarifying on my own topic in the previous round. Both of these factors shall weigh down upon his claims considerably. ============================================================================ #2. None of the aforementioned users have participated in a debate.com mafia game, thus should give it try ============================================================================ In response to my claiming that the aforementioned users would have nothing to lose in playing mafia, CON claims that the aforementioned users will be wasting time. However, this completely neglects the fact that I've already pointed out that any of the aforementioned users could quit the game at any time if it became inconvenient to them, thus, this objection is irrelevant. As for brian_eggleston's claim, we must note that not only has brian egglestone never played a full game here (thus making any testimony he provides on the matter not credible) but the average mafia day phase takes place over the course of many real time days, thus a user could simply pop in and read the posts at any time (which is generally the case, given that not only does everyone not live on the same time zone, but mostly all of us have lives outside of debate.org). Finally, the mere fact that users have been able to join in mid game in the past should serve as evidence against my opponent claiming that mafia requires one's full time/attention. ============================================================================ #3. Mafia helps increase website activity, hence serves to benefit debate.orgs welfare ============================================================================ CON responds to my claims on this matter by pointing out that mafia only benefits a few posters and that time would be better spent on posters contributing to informative/funny forum threads, on serious/comical debates and on improving one's profile. In response, I ask "Why not have both?" No one is insisting that users to contribute to one thing and not the other. I myself have managed to post in informative/funny forum threads and etc while actually MODDING mafia games. Now my opponent believes that because each mafia game can merely service a limited amount of players at a time (so far, 20 or less), it is detrimental to this website. However, when taking into account the percentage of website activity which I had managed to show as having come from merely a few games, this merely hurts my opponent's position. In other words, imagine if the game were to grow in popularity. If there were a surplus of users who wanted to contribute, more games would have to be run in order to meet the demand. With more games being run at once, the number of website hits brought about from mafia games would augment considerably. Basically, meeting the demands of the majority is a simple task even when taking into account a game such as Mafia. Finally, my opponent had alluded to mafia merely being a random guessing game . . . however, this merely reminds me of another benefit to playing mafia and that is that is a game which actually puts players in a position to rely on their reasoning skills. Indeed, as with proper reasoning, townies are able to deduce the identities of the mafia members and mafia members are able to fool the town. A game which provides one the opportunity to improve in this area is certain most appropriate for a website which prides itself on users outmaneuvering each other with pure reasoning ability. ============================================================================ RE: Ragnar_Rahl, PoeJoe, beem0r, and s0m31john want to help DDO's welfare; therefore they ought to play. ============================================================================ First, we've already established the mafia helps haul in website hits and that it's a game which focuses on one's ability to reason (which, again, is most appropriate for this website). In other words, it's a game which clearly has all the means to be beneficial and contributory. Second, CON fails to provide even one reason as to why mafia being a forum game automatically makes it bad. Ergo, you have no reason to consider his objection here until he does otherwise. And that's all for now due to me being out of time. Till the next round. :D