Masterbation is not seen as a sin in the bible

I read the link, and several others regarding the same subject. Most conclude the same thing. Onan finished himself off outside of the vagina. It doesn't mean he stuck his dick inside her, and quickly pulled out the last minute while having an orgasm (that's not even possible). The quote is pretty straightforward. Unless you're contending it is a sin to not impregnate your brothers wife? Not possible really? Maybe you haven't watched porn, but pulling out to cum is been done many times before. I seriously can't believe my friend that you would consider it impossible since it has been done before. And I don't think you read the link in detail. You passed over the part where it talks about Onan's brother dying, and since he was next of kin he was now incharge to impregnate his brothers wife with child. God ordered him to do so but he did not and disobeyed God which made God put him to death. You may think this sounds insane but considering you had no problem believing he was killed because he masturbated then you should have no problem believing that. Especially since my link shows that in detail and expalins it well. There is a moral to this story. Ancient Hebrew law held that the next surviving brother shall take the widow of his deceased brother as his wife. He shall bear children to the name of the dead brother so his name may not be blotted out of Israel. http://hermeneutics.stackexchange.com... http://www.straightdope.com... http://en.wikipedia.org... http://christiananswers.net... Anything that is dropped is instantly affirmed. Your correct but all that you affirmed was not involving masterbation being a sin but fornication, lust, idolatry, homosexual acts, prostitution, beastiality, and every other sexual act except masterbation. So you may have affirmed other sexual acts as being sinful but not masterbation. [P1] You can't masturbate without thinking lustful thoughts or sexually immortal thoughts[P2] Thinking of lust or sexual immortality is a sin[C1] Masturbation is a sin in the bible Your premis is flawed because it assumes that a sinful act done with a none sinful act makes the none sinful act sinful also, but no where in the bible does it say that so your making that one up. Yes most people think of impure thoughts when masterbating, but they usually start by getting aroused by there thoughts then they combine it with masterbation. They don't usually start thinking sexual thoughts then simultaniously start to masterbate, first the thoughts arouse them then they combine the sexual thoughts with masterbation. So in short masterbation is done usually because the thoughts get them aroused so they masterbate because of it. There sin is not the masterbation as it comes after they first start thinking those thoughts, and then is coupled with them. In the bible it is said that anything that causes you to sin is considered a sin in itself, but masterbation is done because of the sin it does not take you to the sin so therefore it is not a sin. Here is what I want my opponent to do. I want him to give me an example of someone who can masturbate without lusting over something. Note, lust isn't always with another person. If the opposition can do this, then he defeat this, and only this, contention. I also want to take the time to restate several quotes I listed earlier. I myself have done it when I was religious, I avoided sexual thoughts when masterbating. Even if I didn't it does not change the fact that masterbation is not a sin as I previously showed in my last comment on this very post. And I already said if you had mentioned masterbation in any of those links I would of rebuttled them but you didn't. "Flee from sexual immorality. Every other sin a person commits is outside the body, but the sexually immoral person sins against his own body." (Corinthians 6:18)"Paul is saying, and quite clear, that sins to your own body are equal to sins to anothers body. Having sex with yourself is a form of adultery, which is a sin. Unless your married to yourself, having sex with yourself is no different than having pre martial sex with another human being. Inorrect, the actually origninal wording is fornication and the original translation mentions sexual act committed with others or lustful thoughts not masterbation. http://qbible.com... http://lexiconcordance.com... http://lexiconcordance.com... [P1] Paul states that all the laws of sexual sin apply to one's self as well[P2] Masturbation is either adultery, pre-martial sex, or homosexuality[C2] Masturbation is seen as a sin in the bible Premis one is reffering to what paul said about sexual sin which never mentions masterbation. The second premis is completely incorrect because it is based on pure assumption. There no biblical refrence that shows that masterbation is mentioned as being the same as adultery, pre-martial sex, or homosexuality. Lastly premis three makes a bold assumption with zero proof to back it up. It doesn't matter the relations of my quotes to masturbation. If you drop a point it is affirmed as true. This is how professional debates work. No it does not at all, your quotes did not mention masterbation. In a proffetional debate one provides proof of the topic argued then the other person makes a rebuttel on it. You failed to stay on topic with your information which is not how a profecional debate works. In the debate I am only obligated to rebuttel things on topic not off. Because it was my argument. There's a thing called the counter rebuttal Again I'm only obligated to do so if you stay on topic which you didn't. Once again, that is false. You think sexual and lustful thoughts as you masturbate. Therefore masturbation is a sin. Webmd, help me out.http://www.webmd.com...... I'm sorry if I was not clear, I meant a person starts thinking sexual thoughts first which gets them aroused then they masterbate while thinking the sexual thoughts. Not that they think sexual thoughts then stop and start masterbating. This is known as lust, and its a sin. Masturbation requires the act of lust, therefore masturbation is a sin. Once again doing something none sinful with something sinful does not make a none sinful thing automatically sinful. Like in a drive by shooting one is required to drive and shoot, it is a sin to kill people not to drive a car. Just because your doing both together does not make both sinful. I am arguing that the sins are not only compatible with masturbation, but an integral part of it. Again doing a none sinful thing with a sinful thing does not make it sinful. Your arguments are acting as if sin produces masturbation. This is false. You are sinning (lusting) while masturbating. So what? Again just because you do something none sinful with something sinful does not make the none sinful act sinful. Except masturbation, is the process of thinking arousing thoughts while engaging the genitals. The two are synomous. You can't masturbate without sin, therefore the act of masturbation is commiting sin. Even if what got you to masterbate wasn't being aroused by thoughts or what you so being done together means nothing in this perticular argument. The argument is that masterbation is not seen as sinful in the bible, you did not prove that and lust and masterbation. Masterbation and lust being done together does nothing to prove that masterbation is seen as sin in the bible. To conclude, the oppositions whole argument is residing on the fallacious idea that you lust then masturbate. Anyone who jacks off knows you lust while masturbating. Again I meant you usually masterbate with lust becuase first the lust causes you to be aroused. Which then usually masterbation and lust are done together at that point. Either way it doesn't change the fact masterbation itself is not seen as sin biblically.