Jesus was not the God or Son of God

Thank you for taking time to read arguments.It has been fun for me to search out the textual evidence to refute your claims.You say “I have met the burden of proof by proving that Jesus is dead therefore he is neither God nor the Son of God.” I am glad that your recognize your responsibility for BOP. Thank you for your summary “Jesus is dead therefore he is neither God nor the Son of God”I asked you in the comments to give some references as evidence of your claims.You refused to give any reference.You made unsubstantiated claims that sources were not reliable.You claim that the only accept the “source, logic and common sense” Here is my logical response to your presentation.(My presentation on the resolution follows)1. You reject recorded history as a source about historical matters. Your unfounded opinions are not relevant in this debate.2. You accept many of my points that refute your stated opinions. By either agreement, or by not responding you have forfeited the majority of this debate.3. Your most clear argument is most clearly false. There is no evidence or logic to your claim that “Jesus survived crucifixion and moved to Kashmir, where he really died, and we have his body there”.4. You have failed to prove your claim. You had the BOP Logic dictates that you lose this debate. Some evidence of the 4 points above. 1. You reject recorded history as a source about historical matters. Your unfounded opinions are not relevant in this debate. A) You bring up the Bible as a source in the first three lines of every round yet you switch to claim the Bible is not a valid source when I present Jesus words and actions from the Bible. B) You claim “The only sources we have of Jesus is the Bible and other texts which didn't make it into the Bible.” When I present historical and Qu’ran proof that this is false you switch your argument. C) You first arguments is “ In none of those books does Jesus ever claims, ‘I am God worship me’”. Jesus claims to be “the Son of God”, “Messiah” and more. God The Father also states “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased.” You reject these clear, major points of the Gospel saying the Bible is not 100% reliable. D) You take a position on history that no serious historian can accept when you say: “ Jesus did not rise from the dead, he was never dead on the cross . . . , He survived crucifixion and migrated to Kashmir”, and “Jesus survived crucifixion and moved to Kashmir, where he really died, and we have his body there” 2. You accept many of my points that refute your stated opinions. By either agreement, or by not responding you have forfeited the majority of this debate. A) To my evidence for Jesus outside the Bible you respond - “Yes, you are right there are other sources that mention Jesus” [round 2 opening] B) To my quotes of Jesus own words that he is “Son of God”, “Messiah”, “God”, “I AM” [the personal name for God revealed to Moses] you did not respond. You simply questioned the “100% accuracy” of the Bible. You dropped any debate of these points. C) You want to selectively remove my points from the scripture. This shows you agree on the meaning of my points, so you reject them in the same way you reject history. When you say “don't give me any Bible mumbo jumbo, because as I already proved it has been changed and the verses that say Jesus was God have been fabricated” you agree with me in scripture Jesus says “I AM God”. D) more examples deleted for space. 3. Your most clear argument is most clearly false. There is no evidence or logic to your claim that “Jesus survived crucifixion and moved to Kashmir, where he really died, and we have his body there”. A) Historical evidence for Jesus’ death by crucifixion. Tacitus - “Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius” Josephus - “Now there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to call him a man; for he was a doer of wonderful works, a teacher of such men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of the Jews and many of the Gentiles. He was [the] Christ. And when Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men amongst us, had condemned him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him; for he appeared to them alive again the third day; as the divine prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things concerning him. And the tribe of Christians, so named from him, are not extinct at this day.” Mara Bar-Serapion - This pagan wrote a letter to his son after the fall of Jerusalem referring to the retribution that followed the unjust treatment of three wise men: Socrates, Pythagoras, and "the wise king" of the Jews. [1] [2] B) Lack of evidence for Jesus not dying on the cross. C) Lack of evidence for Jesus living and dying in Kashmir D) Lack of evidence for Jesus’ bodily remains being in Kashmir4. You have failed to prove your claim. You had the BOP Logic dictates that you lose this debate.Back to the resolution and the normal process of an evidence based debate . . . To the resolution “Jesus was not the God or Son of God” you have the BOP.You have the mistaken idea that your simply claiming a thing to be true constitutes proof.You claim to have proved the following: a) “the miracles were metaphorical” (Round1) b) “he never resurrected, he was probably never dead either.” (Round1) - No evidence was given of these fringe claims, just your opinion d) “in none of them does Jesus claim to be God.” (Round 2) - You must have missed my Round 1 - It was your duty to read and respond d) “The Bible was changed though by Constantine” (Round 2) - No evidence was given of this fringe claim. Read here for arguments against this.[3] e) “It has been proven Jesus died there. The tomb faces Jerusalem like in Jewish tradition and has foot prints with holes in them, just like the feet of a crucified person,” (Round 1) - This is proof? This is not even evidence. f) “ it would require him to have the chromosomes of his father (God) and his mother (Mary), now how can God have chromosomes if He is immaterial?” (Round 3) - Tell me what you know of Jesus’ genetics. Or tell me how God is limited by what you know or understand. God is all powerful. God can do anything he wants. I did not expect me, a Christian to have to convince an Ahmadi Muslim that God is omnipotent. g) “That is my ultimate proof, If Jesus is dead He can't be God or the Son of God” - You have give no proof or even decent evidence or reference to any of your claims. You have not proved any of these points.You have made unsubstantiated claims.Worse, you have ignored the evidence that prove your claim false. There are many more points I wish to refute like your view on miracles and your claim that “we have his body in Kashmir” but without any evidence to consider for your position I must simply dismiss it as unproven.With apologies for introducing new material in the second half of round 3[1] Evidence of Greek Philosophical Concepts in the Writings of Ephrem the Syrian by Ute Possekel 1999 ISBN 90-429-0759-2 [2] Studying the Historical Jesus: Evaluations of the State of Current Research edited by Bruce Chilton, Craig A. Evans 1998 ISBN 90-04-11142-5 Note - The Craig Evans book is really good. I could not find an online reference or e-book but You can probably get it by inter library loan, and it is well worth the effort.[3] http://www.christian-history.org...