Children shouldn't be pressured or forced to accept their parents' religion

Thank you Galiban once again I have talked with an enormous amount of devout Catholics, and they never say a thing about personal relationships with Jesus. We talk about being a Church Community who interacts with Jesus through the priest. I have watched your video and it is hilarious. This man's only claim is that "deep down we all know there are objective moral values. " That's his whole argument. Personal relationships with God are the stuff of Evangelicals, not Catholics. There's nothing wrong with having said personal relationship but it is not stressed in the Catholic Church. But we are getting onto the wrong topic, this debate is about parents. >>> Christianity does not deviate here. I am sorry for your childhood experience that did not have this focus. Most Catholics agree that is a failing in their church to rear their children with a background that stops backsliding as you have done. It only strengthens my point that without the adequate knowledge of the Bible from your parents you have fallen away from the Faith that you should have been grounded in. That PROVES my point. <<< This does NOT prove his point. I HAVE the adequate knowledge of the bible. I know about the Garden of Eden, the serpent, the curse of God to make childbirth a painful experience. I know about the Great Flood, Cain and Abel, The Annunciation of Mary, Jesus' first miracle at the wedding, the siege of Jerusalem and the fall of the walls. I know about how the earth shook and the tapestry in the Temple split. I know about the two men on either side of Jesus on the Cross. Must I go on? I know about the bible. I have fallen away from the faith for a couple of reasons. 1. ) It is all made up 2. ) I was forced into it 3. ) Life makes much more sense without a God Then my opponent says the faith should have been ground in. That's like going up to a kid and saying "I know you hate football Billy, but I'm a mean parent and I'm making you do it anyway! Aren't you excited? " This is pure and utter torture of the cruel and unusual sort. I was in no way associating Muslims and Christians in my previous post despite their similar teachings with just basically switching God for Allah. I realize there is a whole different culture there. >>> let me be clear. When a child is in the home under the parents authority they are remanded to the rules of the parents. <<< I am aware of this. However I am debating their right to this authority. >>> This is called political dancing. <<< I said one particular person was deluded by the Christian Faith. I would have had no problem with it if his faith had been presented to him in merely a possible manner. If they would have said "This is how we think it works. We may be wrong and you have every right to switch religions but I strongly believe this is the way and the truth. " But instead this is what they do: "God definitely died on Christmas day and our faith is undoubtedly correct. " See the difference? >>> The problem with your viewpoint is you must assume something negative is being done for the Resolution to be true. <<< There are lots of negative things about religion. Parents forcing kids into Judaism caused their deaths in the Holocaust. There have been uncountable persecutions on the basis of Religious beliefs and this continues. Just look at the turmoil in the Middle East. Now for a more direct and close to home example: For this one I will be using this website as a resource . http://voices.washingtonpost.com... The child's father was trying to force circumcision and Judaism onto his child and luckily his mother came to his defense. The child was afraid to say he didn't want the procedure or the Religion. . http://atheism.about.com... This source demonstrates the benefits Ireland has and will be receiving from switching to secularism and putting an end to parents forcing religion. Then my opponent refuses to accept that most schools have incorporated classes on ethics and good choices. Maybe this is because he hasn't been in school for a decade or more. In my old school in Omaha our school mascot was a bulldog so naturally we had something called bulldog block which taught us to respect everyone, follow the law, and be good, prosperous citizens. In my new school in Iowa we have something called "advisory" which is basically the same thing and these both are mandatory. These were both public schools. This debate has devolved into whether or not Christianity is correct about objective moral values (OMV). Whether or not these values exist is unclear. Christians are unable to prove it and it seems unlikely considering how rough the animal world is. If there were these universal moral values imbedded in this world why do we see animals eating each other alive and committing heinous acts such as cannibalism and such? Even if these values only apply to humans it is still very unlikely they do exist. Morality is illusory, which is another reason religion shouldn't be forced on children. >>> This statement is incredibly disturbing. It is on par with "you must experience murder to decide if it is REALLY wrong. " Or stated a different way; should we then allow Chaos should the children decide to choose chaotic moral value system? How about pyromania is ok to these people so try and go for it? <<< This isn't what I meant at all. What I meant was that the values of each religion be presented to the kids and they decide which path to take. Murder is an unrealistic comparison. There are still laws and that wouldn't change if kids weren't forced to accept religion. Then my opponent aloofly says Christianity is the "accurate" system. We have absolutely no way of knowing if it is the right way and teaching potentially incorrect things to kids is wrong and irresponsible. Then my opponent says other religions have wrong moral values and that Christians teach this "fact" to their children. Muslims teach the importance of almsgiving to the needy, fasting, kindness, and living your whole life according to the rules of Allah. . http://www.islam101.com... Hindus teach that marriage is a sacrament, just as Christianity does. They teach karma, that you need to do good acts or bad acts will come back at you. They . http://en.wikipedia.org... Shinto people believe you must live a harmonious life with nature and people . http://en.wikipedia.org... This has demonstrated that these religions do not have these "wrong moral values" my opponent says they do. I disagree with this statement of my opponent's >>> You are being taught whenever you are taking something in. From a friend, parent or teacher. You did not know it until you saw it. <<< I am not being taught when I think up something for myself or look it up on the internet. I am learning, but I am not being taught. Lol gang members have nothing to do with religion. Good try though Galiban. I am not saying you should let your fourteen year old experience satanic orgies and get an STD. This was not the meaning of the whole debate. Leaving the Christian Faith is not the end of morals as my opponent states.