Abortion

This is my Round 4 argument from our previous debate which you never responded to. Response Point 1: Does it really need a source? This goes in favor of the pro-Life argument because I am conceding that only 39 women died of illegal abortions in 1972. But if you really want another source: http://www.abortionfacts.com....... Response Point 2: I will break this into two seperate points. Point 1: Having a large population of people supporting abortion means that it can not be a taboo. Most tabooes are excepted to be bad by the vast majority of the population. Point 2: Poor usually breed poor. And it is not just the normal poor. I am mainly talking about the people that live in the "bad part of town" and have been in jail several times, these types of people almost always breed poor children who turn out just like them. Response Point 3: Think of it this way: Why does a family generally hid the fact that their child is gay? Because it would tarnish their child's and their family's reputation. This same thing happened even 4 or 5 years after Roe vs. Wade. Now you might be asking, "well everyone has to put a cause of death on a death certificate. There is no way someone can miss the big scar on the woman's body that shows an abortion. The number "39 in 1972" is well documented. There is no way around that. How could this be possible?" Well the families a lot of times would pay off the death certificate composer to change the cause of death. This means that the number of deaths from illegal abortion, even in 1972, could have been hundreds, maybe even thousands of people higher. Clear? Response Point 4: You have not disproved this statement: " "These children who were born because their mothers were denied an abortion were substantially more likely to be involved in crime, even when controlling for the income, age, education and health of the mother.":http://pricetheory.uchicago.edu................ "For instance, homicide fell 25.9 percent in high-abortion states between 1985 and 1997 compared to an INCREASE of 4.1 percent in low-abortion states. Panel data estimates confirm the strong negative relationship between lagged abortion and crime. An analysis of arrest rates by age reveal that only arrests of those born after abortion legalization are affected by the law change.":http://pricetheory.uchicago.edu......; The decline in crime in the 1990s can be directly traced to the legalization of abortion in 1973 becuase the time frame is just accurate. You have not disproved this, and you need to provide counter-sources instead of denying the connection. And what does Lady Gaga have to do with this? That topic is completely irrelevant to this debate. Response Point 5: Think of it this way: What is better: Having a fetus to "possibly" experience a slight moment of pain, or for the fetus to grow up into an adult that either most likely will live a life in extreme povery, or either be murdered or commit at least one murder? It is better for society because it decreases the murder rate. My proof is in Response Point 4. Response Point 6: Looking at the title of the website; "pro life physicians". The word pro life is in the title of the website. This site is most certainly biased. Give me a scientific site that does not have bias in the title. And the question is not whether a fetus belongs in the human species or not, because it most certainly does, but the question is whether the fetus is alive and it's abortion can be considered murder at a certain date of pregnancy. Response Point 7: Again, this point is irrelevant becuase a fetus is a human, but is it alive a certain date of pregnancy. Response Point 8: What? Are you going to debate this or not? Attack Point 1: Now, I am going to use the major pro-Life argument that abortion causes mental illness in the woman, and completely turn it against them. "Kendall said mental health problems seemed to be linked specifically to unwanted pregnancies rather than abortion.": http://www.msnbc.msn.com....... "An unwanted pregnancy may cause mental health problems, a woman may already have problems before becoming pregnant, or it could be a combination of the two, he added.": http://www.guardian.co.uk....... "The evidence shows though that whether these women have abortions - or go on to give birth - their risk of having mental health problems will not increase.": http://www.bbc.co.uk....... What I am trying to prove here is that not only does the unwanted pregnancy, not abortion causes the mental illness, but it is also true that aborting, say in the 10th week would stop the mental illness from getting worse. If the woman had to run the course of the pregnancy, the mental illness would be a lot worse. Attack Point 2: The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention estimates that in 1972 alone, 130,000 women obtained illegal or self-induced procedures, 39 of whom died.":http://www.guttmacher.org.......... This means that at least 260,000 people broke the law by having an illegal abortion. That number only takes into account the woman and the doctor. There could be more the 2 involced in one abortion. The prohibition of abortion will again cause 130,000+ crimes. And they need solving. Police are already having a hard time controlling crime. Adding 130,000+ crimes with at least 260,000 people involved will make the police department a mess. Attack Point 3: "In 1967, England liberalized its abortion law to permit any woman to have an abortion with the written consent of two physicians. More than 600 American women made the trip to the United Kingdom during the last three months of 1969 alone" "The year before the Supreme Court's decision in Roe v. Wade, just over 100,000 women left their own state to obtain a legal abortion in New York City":http://www.guttmacher.org.......... This means that is abortion is made illegal, then thousands of women will travel to a foreign country that legalizes abortion. In other words, they will bypass the law. Attack Point 4: Here is more simple logic. "Say abortion is still illegal. Then the 1 million babies aborted each year would raise the unemployment rate tremendously (based on Guttermacher estimates on abortion, unemployment would be between 15-20%). More babies from the 1980s now=a higher unemployment and povery rate." And more simple logic. "Say abortion is still illegal. Than the 56 million babies that would have survived may pay more taxes, but since over 90% are in the bottom 47% of the population (money wise), they don't pay any taxes (Look it up if you doubt me about the 47% not paying taxes). Also, they are sucking up Government Welfare money. So they would increase the Government Debt, not decrease". (the statement "abortion is still illegal" means that Roe vs. Wade did not repeal abortion laws, and they are still in place to this very day).