Lyoto Machida has an advantage over Mauricio shogun.

"He would not have any more pressure than he would have after the last three fights. " The only pressure he had in the other 3 fights were not to let his undefeated status get away… Now he has his undefeated status along with not allowing himself to lose the belt. It equates to more pressure then before. Pressure is a huge advantage and I must again add that shogun has the advantage… he has nothing to lose… working your way up to the top is not losing your statues… that's what the fight game is all about. Working your way to the top is something shogun is good at, he has no pressure. "When one loses a belt, they are simply placed behind the new belt holder in ranking, and will get a shot at the title again sooner than later. " This is not true, it is opinion. Evidence shows that when a fighter loses the belt he must work even harder to get another shot. Fans do not want to see a fight that just took place unless the fighter that lost the belt works his way back into their hearts… same with a challenger… that's why people want to see Dan Henderson fight Anderson Silva again, instead of Franklin (who lost the belt to Anderson) Advantage goes to con COMPETITION "B. J. Penn was only one belt holder in which Machida gained victory over. " Bj is a lightweight… lyoto was a heavy weight… Let me name off the opponents that Lyoto has claimed belts from "1. Thiago Silva (Light heavy weight belt holder)" Never held a title "2. Rich Franklin (Middle weight belt holder)" Was just getting started when lyoto beat him. And he was at a smaller weight class. "4. Rashad Evans (Light heavy weight belt holder)" The only other legit one… but shogun has more title holders Shogun Quinton "Rampage" Jackson won the light heavyweight Alistair Overeem is a champ now Antonio Rogerio Nogueira had the ufc heavy weight interim champ My guy actually beat people champions in his weight class or above… not under sized guys… Advantage shogun with out dispute. CHIN AND STYLE Lyoto has a elusive style but he has never fought anyone with hands as heavy as shogun… Tie My quote---- "It was not in the ultimate fighter (it was UFC 76: Knockout), and in the first paragraph you told me that my fighter beat griffin… I am starting to question whether or not you have real UFC knowledge. " Your quote---- "Obviously you have not watched Ultimate fighter. This fight was first within training, and they were selected to fight each other. If YOU had real UFC knowledge, you would have known that there was more than fight that had taken place between the two, and that the UFC isn't the only place where MMA fight s take place. " You have things extremely mixed up. In the first paragraph of you argument you state that my fighter beat griffin. Now you are implying that they fought in the ultimate fighter season one. They never met until there fight at ufc 76… what are you talking about. . http://en.wikipedia.org... You are really mixed up… It shows that you really cannot speak as an expert on who has advantage (By the way I watch every season of tuf and have them on DVD. ) "Re-reading the argument, you would find that i specifically referred to Machida having an advantage in experience, which you agreed to personally. It all varies and energy levels, because again, shogun has the submission holding advantage. Advantage Machida. " Would this not bring about a tie? "My opponent has said that i lack UFC knowledge several times in this debate. However i would have to say it's quite the contrary. UFC knowledge goes way beyond just looking at statistics and records from just UFC. " Your first and second sentence suggest that you have more UFC knowledge then I have… yet in your third sentence you seem to have to mention the UFC knowledge goes further then statistics… Giving way that you think I know more statistics then you do… in turn allowing for me to have a better chance of predicting advantages. Conclusion and the winning paragraph. -I am a extreme fan of lyoto and shogun. I have been following their fights for years and cannot wait to see them fight. -My opponent has positioned himself in saying that lyoto has the advantage, but fails to really prove his hypothesis. We went back and forth and proved that both of these fighters have ups and downs, advantages and disadvantages. Really only concluding that neither have THE advantage over the other. -As con I did not need to prove that shogun had an advantage over lyoto but to prove that lyoto did not have the advantage. -He does not, but I would agree that it is a tie as far as advantages… so con wins. -Vote con. "I think my opponent has offered up a fun and challenging debate. " Dude. It was great, but not as great as the fight will be. -Vote con. I will be watching and thank you for having this debate.