(Pro) The Christian God is malevolent vs benevolent (Con).

Round three rebuttals"1) The concept of good and bad presuppose God to begin with." Jac925I beg to differ. Moral and immoral are often interchangeable with good and evil, benevolent and malevolent. Many animals possess empathy. Furthermore, human altruism can be attributed to evolution. Darwin's theory of evolution is consistent with atheism. Chickens and rats posses empathy. "Researchers in the UK have gained new insight into the minds of domestic hens, discovering, for the first time, that domestic hens show a clear physiological and behavioral response when their chicks are mildly distressed. " [9]"Thus, rats behave pro-socially in response to a conspecific’s distress, providing strong evidence for biological roots of empathically motivated helping behavior." [10]A person can only conclude that morals can exist without God. Good and evil can exist without God. An atheist living on a remote island who never heard of any religion can understand the concept of good and evil."I have a few arguments for this conclusion which, if true would prove that it should s incoherent to say that God is malevolent as he is the ultimate standard of good (if these arguments are sound)." Jac925You seem to be suggesting God is the ultimate standard of good despite the genocides in the Old Testament, eternal damnation, and condoning of slavery. I am horrified by such a concept, this defies all reason."Moral argument:1) Obligations are contingent on a person.2) Moral values are obligations.Therefore moral values are contingent upon a person.3) Moral values transcend human persons.Therefore moral values are contingent upon a transcendent person.Therefore a morally perfect transcendent personal entity exists." Jac925Let me rewrite this in terms I can understand.0. Obligations are contingent on a chicken.1. Moral values are obligationsTherefore moral values are contingent upon a chicken.2. Moral values transcend chicken persons.Therefore moral values are contingent upon a transcendent chicken.Therefore a morally perfect transcendent chicken entity exists. I could buy that. That one chicken is morally superior to the other chickens. That one chicken is morally perfect. Yet, I don't perceive how this argument gets you anywhere. The same could be made for any animal with morals. Rats, chimpanzees, etc. So, now we have a morally perfect transcendent chicken, rat, dog, cat, chimpanzee, and gorilla. The next part my opponent makes in his/her arguments is confusing and offers no hard evidence. "If God truly is malevolent then why do atheists make an argument against God based on all the evil and malevolence in the world." Jac925Because many scriptures claim God is good. "Argument (2)2) The Christian God sacrificed himself in Jesus Christ to save all humanity from eternal shame and punishement.This is the gospel message of Christianity. It is found all over the New Testament. In the book of Phillipians chapter one we read of how God gave his beloved son into the world to save the world. Surely this an act of a benevolently God. If God was a malevolent moral moral monster then why did Jesus (who is God according to Philippians 1)dive into the world and sacrifice himself for the salvation of all humans. Nothing we could ever could make us worthy to stand before God. We are also too sinful too stand before him so God gave his only son too die for us all so that we could stand before God. These are not the actions of a malevolent God but of a benevolent God." Jac925This was an evil act. God, the father, committing human sacrifice by sacrificing his one and only son. This is incredibly immoral. This also breaks the six commandment, thou shalt not kill. Not only that but this is scapegoating. Many primitive tribes used scapegoated goats. [11]Not only is that cruel to the goat, but it takes away personal responsibility. "Argument (3)3) All over the Bible God expresses disguise at evil.This is very evident from the biblical data. In Ezekiel 18 we read "God does not take pleasure in the deaths of th wicked but would rather that they turn from there evil ways and live". We see here that God grieves at the death of those who disobey his laws(biblical definition of wicked) and wishes that they would turn to him and live. This is strong evidence that God is not malevolent.Some extra bible verses:In proverbs 8:13 we read "To respect God is to hate evil".Proverbs 97:10 says "Let all those who live the Lord hate evil".1 John 4:20 says "If someone says, "I love God," and hates his brother, he is a liar; for he who does not love his brother whom he has seen, how can[b] he love God whom he has not seen? 21 And this commandment we have from Him: that he who loves God must love his brother also.These verses tighter with my above arguments show the Christian God is benevolent and not malevolent at all." Jac925What this shows is that God is erratic. To kill and then to feel remorse. Most would rather no killing in the first place. Think about it, if a convicted murderer showed remorse, this would be a mitigating factor, but the person would still serve a good ten to twenty years in prison. Showing remorse does not bring the dead back to life. Furthermore, the Bible is full of contradictions. There is a quote stating that God wants you to hate your family. "“If any man come to Me and hate not his father and mother, and wife and children, and brethren and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be My disciple." [12]Thank you for debating. Sources9. https://www.sciencedaily.com...10. http://science.sciencemag.org...11. http://www.academia.edu...12. https://www.biblegateway.com...