Kleptin, Logical-Master, and Yraelz are all the same person.

So I have to argue that you three are them same person. I don't think you are personally, but I'll still do my best. I am judging my views on these three by their accounts as of 2/25/08. Any changes from here on only prove that there is tampering, most likely by the same person. The number one reason that I can prove you are the same person is that you cannot prove otherwise. Some things I anticipate you might bring up to prove your individuality are your names ages emails locations and in some cases ethinicity. names: we can all agree that they are different inividual accounts. Its who is behind them that is of main concern. More on this later. ages: Logical Master and Yraelz are 18, while Kleptin is 118. So there is an age inconsistancy? This proves nothing, because it can be a fabrication. All one has to do is edit their profile and they could be whatever age they want. For instance, as I write this my current age is 19. However, in round 2 I will be 36, round 3 I will be 9, and round 4 I will be back to 19. The age portion can be easily tampered with, meaning that is not a factor. 1 person can easily change 3 accounts ages with access. emails: You must have different email addresses to have seperate accounts. But that is also null, since 1 person can easily create several email accounts. They don't even have to use them, but they can make them. Yahoo and hotmail are easy methods to do this. There are only a few questions that can be lied about and there you have it. Then you make this account using that adress and you have a new debater. John Doe (example) could easily make the accounts of Kleptin, Logical Master, and Yraelz using this method, and no one would be the wiser. Locations: Yraelz lives in Montana, Kleptin in Hong Kong(even though I recall seeing him say he lives in a cabin off of Niagra Falls), and Logical Master in Knoxville, Tennesse. Each several miles apart. But this can also be manipulated to make it look like they could never meet. For instance, today I live in Colorado, Round 2 I will be living in Oregon, round 3 in Jersey, and Round 4 back in Colorado. Another thing that can be tampered with by one guy sitting at home at his computer. So also not a factor. Ethnicity- again, this is tamperable. Logical Master is Black, like me, Kleptin and Yraelz are ?. But that is something one guy with several accounts can easily change. Round 2 I will be Latino, Round 3 a pacific Islander, and round 4 back in black. So this too cannot be a factor. SO those are the more straight forward responces to defend you individuality that I have just proven and will continue to prove are not able to be factors in your defence. Now lets look at your similarities. You all Have a large amount of debates having been/being fought You all have a positive win ratio Similar debating styles All seem to be present in each others debates All seem to be present when discussing other peoples debates. # of debates: Logical Master: 37. Yraelz: 34. Kleptin: 53 as of 2/25/08. The purpose pf having so many accounts can be for several reasons based on this information alone. John Doe loves debating. If these were all under one account he would be involved in 124 debates (not subtracting the ones they've done amoungst themselves). Thats alot of debates to handel. So he creates different several accounts (opening up the possibility that there could be more) to manage them all. Because just gets such a rush from this that if he's having a slow day he will debate himself. What better oppenent that ones own mind? These are just a few justifications one might have towards giving themselves multiple accounts. Win Ratio: With so many debates its more than possible that one would have lost more than they won. Well, negative numbers are not pleasant. People like to win. 1 extra account could break a tie, but two extra could win a debate. Thats three free votes. That could have changed the outcome of Texas' statehood. With his other accounts he would have the knowledge that either way, he wins, so not as big of a deal. But when against other opponents, having three votes can make all the difference. Style: You all share the technique of copying and pasting you opponents points and addressing that subject specifically. Also, you all have an uncanny ability to attack minor issues making them seems large. And a well verse knowledge of fallacies. Everyone is entitled to have their own style, but these similarities seem to raise some suspision. Present within: I've noticed after reading alot of your stuff that you'll all have conversations with each other on each others debates. Usually congratulating each other and adding extra topics. Rarely have I seen a major disagreement. Two people congratulating you would make John Doe feel good, even if it was himself. Present without: You also all seem to converge at one point or another on the same outside debates. Same as above applies. These are all staggering coincidences, with limited differences. So much so it might cause one to wonder if they are connected? Any differences might be purposeful to throw people off from suspision. All just a clever ruse orchestrated by and even cleverer puppet master. So my main point is that there is nothing you can say within this site to prove you are not one in the same person. It can all be tampered with by simple logging off and on's. SO from my percepective, there is only 1 way that this can be settled and that is with physical, real world proof. Thus, my proposition is that the only way you can all three prove your individuality is with your profile pictures. There would have to be physical evidence showing you are three seperate people in seperate locations. These pictures also must be left up for 1 week after this debate is finished. Here are the requirements for the pictures: 1) The user must stand infront of a real, state planted sign that says what the town is. This means Logical Master has to stand infront of a sign that might say "Welcome to Knoxville, Tennesse", Kleptin would have to have a Hong Kong sign behind him, and Yraelz would need one from a city in Montana. 2) Each person has to be present in the photo. This would eliminate the possibility that the picture was stolen from google or some other website that has city signs. Meaning we should see two 18 year olds and one 118 year old man, you know who you are. 3) Each must hold up their own hand made sign saying "I am Kleptin" for Kleptin, "I am Yraelz" for Yraelz, and "I am Logical Master" for Logical Master. So summerized: Yraelz: sign for a city in Montana, 18, sign that says "I am Yraelz" Logical Master: sign for Knoxville, Tennese, 18, sign that says "I am Logical Master" Kleptin: sign somewhere signifying it is Hong Kong, 118 year old man, and a sign that says "I am Kleptin". Without this physical proof, there is no way that you can disprove that you are all not the same person. Personal accounts are void since those could be well fabricated lies. I've already disproved your account info's. Giving your individual emails does nothing either. Basically, any proof you give through cyberspace alone cannot be considered. You must give physical evidence that all three of you are seperate people that both I and the audience can see. Without this proof you have absolutly no proof. Any rhtoric you give is mere banter, and any discussion about the impossibilities of taking such pictures is a distraction from the soon to be proved fact that you are one person and cannot provide the proper evidence. Your rebuttal?