Thor(Pro) vs Goku(Con)

Broly isn't canon. Yes I said he's talked about in anime but he's never talked about in the manga. Those are two different things. You cited the dragon ball wiki page on the dragon ball franchise, meaning it would include Broly The Legendary Super Saiyan because it was a movie based off the franchise. Speed Response) Beings in Marvel with the ability to travel at the speed of light also have superhuman reflexes and agility that allow their bodies to move that quick. It's something all writers have put in to avoid confusion. For example Sentry moved fast enough to catch the bullet of an alien sniper rifle. Because they have agility and reflexes they're able to fight at light speed other wise they wouldn't have put it in. Flash can fight at light speed because writers added light speed to his character but also added reflexes and agility. If you seriously going to argue that flash doesn't fight a light speed you're really out of your mind, also that means the same for you, just because he can move at light speed doesn't he can fight at light speed. You can read the manga and watch the anime but you never get the impression they're moving that fast, and since it's not clearly stated you can't make the assumption. Also the official marvel site doesn't even say a thing about his speed. Also they're never updated. But there's something new I would like to address. Superhuman senses. "Thor's superhuman sense's allow him to see objects as far out as the edge of the Solar System, allow him to track objects traveling faster than light, and hear cries from the other side of the planet"-Marvel Wiki. Why would writers even bother to give Thor that ability if he's they're gonna make him to slow to counter it? At the end the evidence points towards Thor's ability to fight at light speed. Same with Silver Surfer, he's able to think at light speed but not fight? Come on, that arguement was weak from the begining. The image of Thor vs Wolverine shows Thor blocking wolverine's attack. Also of course wolverine can damage him, Wolverine's weapon is adamantium a nearly indestructible metal, Goku himself would be cut by it if wolverine used it against him. By the way I explained Thor's reaction to hold back greatly. Spider-Man has never been on par with Thor and Spider-Man has said it himself. Plus Spider-Man's Spider Sense would be effective even on Goku considering it senses attackes before they arrive. It"s not a mystery. Going faster means you're also adding more blunt force. If you're driving at 85 mph and you make a sudden stop and are hit by an object in your car, it's going to hurt more than you going at 15pmh. My contender says laughably that Thor is only able travel at Mach 24. However Thor whose only able to travel at "24 Mach" manages to take down in an opponent in a "few micro seconds" http://i388.photobucket.com... "A few" is defined as 1 or 2, a couple, 2 or 3 but not many. Yet at "5.4 microseconds is the time taken by light to travel one mile in a vacuum". And Thor would have been no slower than 3 microseconds. Meaning he was moving at the speed of light. So he managed take his opponent down and grab his hammer (Which moves at light speed). (Reference: http://en.wikipedia.org...) Thor has been clearly said to travel at the speed of light. http://static.comicvine.com... He can travel to the sun in no time. (Avengers vs X-Men) http://static.comicvine.com... Power and Training Response) you talk about marvel saying Thor can't lift more than 100 tons yet you"re unaware that marvel handbooks and websites never specially state the character's actually limits. Even character"s like Spider-man whose listed as class 10 has been seen lifting thousands of tons on occasion. Every single source tells you that Thor"s strength is unclear. You should have clicked on ([100 tons]) because it would have taken you to the page where it explains what that means. It applies for Marvel and DC (Due to the fact that writers regularly jump around) yet you purposefully ignore what I explained in the last round where it explains classes simply to just say "it"s not canon". 90% of Thor"s history isn't canon? Really? My contender is clearly trying to manipulate information because he's clearly run out real arguments. Thank you for brining up "Warrior's Madness" because the first and only time Warrior's Madness happened, Thor went across the universe annihilating planets. So you brought a stage in which Thor actually has more strength they you're actually claiming he has. Which doesn't make any sense. In the last round I showed Thor fixing a moon. A moon he moved faster than light to reach and needed well more than 100 tons of strength to hold together. This issue isn't even old, it happened last year. It happened in the mainstream continuity (Earth-616). Goku's punches when met with equal strength have never been able to do this. http://i388.photobucket.com... The earth's weight is 5.972 sextillion tons (Reference: http://www.ecology.com...) Thor lifted the midgard serpent which was large enough to wrap itself around the world twice and weighed half of what the earth and we must also take into account the beast's strength and force it was aplying to the planet. Meaning it would have been over 1 sextillion ton. That's all we need to look who cares if that less than half. That's still more than a billion tons. Which is again, unlikely for Goku. http://s388.photobucket.com... Thor's Abilities Response) My contender is using feat known as "god blast" an altered version of an ability I'll be getting into later. See that's the thing you CAN'T view Thor's abilities because there has been no show or movie than has accurately displayed any Marvel or DC character. Meaning this entire time you just exposed how little you know about the character your against. Ignoring my first statement, which say's comics, not t.v shows or movies. You can't use a t.v show interpretation because he's nothing compared to the real thing. But you probably knew that, you brought up anyway because you know it's going throw off some people. What exposes your ignorance on these characters even further is that fact that you speak of Ghost Rider as some type of "street level" hero. Ghost Rider's powers come from Yaweh, the Christian god with the same level of power as Odin. Ghost Rider's powers are nearly limitless. Finale. -Super Senses With Thor's super senses he's capable locking in on objects flying faster than light, so in other words he can track Goku in a fight. -Healing Fator Thor is nearly invulnerable but he can he hurt, in that case Thor also able to recover at higher speeds. Meaning that Thor would be able to recover from injury during the fight. -Nether World Power Thor can use Mjolnir to tap into the power of the Nether Worlds (dark dimensions). Meaning that even if Thor's power is used up, Thor can still tap into other demensions to suplmement himself. Meaning his supply of energy is nearly limitless and would outlast Goku. Althought it's unlikely he'll need it. -Undead Lethality A common arguement from Goku fantics is that Goku would just come back stronger from the after life. As soon as Thor touches Goku with his hammer, Goku would perish. SS3 puts extrmeme strain on his body and cannot be used for long. In fact it's almost impratcial to use it out of the afterlife, which would still be bad. So even if SS3 was on the same level as Thor, it's almost pointless. -Worriers Madness It's known as a weakness but if Thor needed to use this power he could and would, and this would increase his already immense powers ten fold. -Negation of Mystic Energy With his hammer he can negate the drawing of energy. Meaning Goku's spirit bomb would be negated as it draws energy from the organisms around the planet. -God Blast Think of it as Thor's version of the spirit bomb. Although it's much more powerful than Goku's spirit bomb. "The God Blast is Thor's most powerful attack that comes with him being a God, Despite popular opinions, This can be done without his trusty hammer. Thor"s God Blast has been shown to be powerful enough to destroy beings such as the Midgard Serpent as well as causing harm to Galactus himself that caused him to escape though Galactus was in a weakened state at the time). Thor does not often use this ability for its destructive force and harm that it could cause to the surrounding area. This power can be used without the hammer, but it is less concentrated as shown in a fight with an enemy, once used a large circle was emitted from his body and destroyed the local area. He once used such an attack against Durok The Demolisher, a being who has defeated him in the past, although he did this without Mjolnir."-Comic Vine With this move Goku would be nothing, he couldn't survie. http://static.comicvine.com... http://marvel.wikia.com... Legacy At the end Thor is destined to become more powerful than Odin. He's to have three daughters and has become King of Asgard. Went head to head against Galactus and won. http://static.comicvine.com... That's in the future. But's clear that Thor was meant to strong. Think about it, young Thor created a black hole, not even with his trusty hammer. When has young Goku even done that? Don't bother watching videos that display Thor and then tell yourself "Well that's Thor's limit". Instead actually pick up a a comic book because I assure you that you'll find an extreme difference in strength. Thank you Mikal. This was a fun, first debate.