Derek Jeter is overrated

You seem to have a common misconception of what overrated really means.. Overrated is: To assess or think too highly of something or someone; to overestimate it or them. From http://www.allwords.com... Anyway you say that statistics make him overrated. However just giving a statistic that he is bad at isn't proving he is overrated. He can be great in some areas and not good at some. Overall, he is a great player though. A specific example would be his defensive abilities. Sure, he isn't the best. But he is one of the best shortstops at offense. Anyway, by just giving statistics, you aren't proving that the majority of people assess him to highly. Name an area people think he does greatly in and then prove that he doesn't do great in it. You say he isn't the leader - He is the captain of the Yankees. That is a hard achievement and they don't just give it out. After Don Mattingly, there was an 8-year period where there was no Yankee Captain. He has worked hard and all the teammates look up to him. Your one argument was there is no evidence for it. That doesn't necessarily mean it isn't true. It is a purely defensive argument, and an incorrect one. Name one Yankee captain that was a bad player. He is among the elites of one of the historically great teams. Revenue- You say him bringing in revenue makes him overrated? How?!? People truly believe he is very good, and want to go see him. Some people see him because of his celebrity. How does that reflect him possibly being over-rated? Championship: "My second argument checks- he's only good because they buy their team." - No, your second argument doesn't check. He is good despite him being on a good team. I seem to remember a certain Carl Pavano doing brilliantly for the Florida Marlins and then being awful for the Yankees. Will you argue that the Marlins are better than the Yankees? I'd love to see those arguments! He was a valid and major contributor to the team when they won. You seem to think you should win because I didn't attack everything. Debate is about, as I'm sure you know, education. Obviously if you occasionally get something right here and there, I can't just disagree. You are right that: He isn't the best shortstop defensively and RBI's, Striking Out, and a few other areas aren't his stronger suits. He is in no way BAD at these things (just not great), but the question isn't "Is he bad at these things?"... Rather the REAL question is: "Do people believe that he is good at things he isn't?" Simply put, he is still a great debater EVEN WITH these weaker areas. This actually makes my arguments stronger because even in face of his weaker areas, he is a great player overall. Also, you said I dropped the RBI thing, when I most certainly did not. I argued that in the second position for the batting order, how often does he get a chance to hit someone home? Not that often. It is a weighted statistic. A more reasonable number to look at would be runs, which I believe you said he was 87th in. His career isn't over, and 87th of ALL-TIME is no small feat. 1. Hits - You basically just said that Derek Jeter getting hits supports your argument. What? He is on pace to be among the elite hitters of ANY generation. This makes him overrated? 2. You brought up his career average of 122 for OPS+. Pardon me for being one point off, I guess my source differs from yours. Anyway, you didn't even mention that he got over 160 in a season. How many people have EVER done that? Not many, I believe there are three. That is still a humongous talent. 3. I don't believe that you understand the concept of Adjusted Batting Titles. It is basically adjusted to fit the effects that stadiums had on other player's statistics. That means that if every stadium was a carbon copy of each other, than Jeter would have won three batting-titles. By the way, I never said he "Would have won three adjusted batting title". I said he "won three adjusted batting titles". 4. Even being considered at the pinnacle of the talent in MLB is still better than 1000's of other players can even imagine. Also, the point of the debate is to prove whether he is overrated. Do people believe to be the unanimous MVP? Unless they do, he cannot be overrated. 5. You say this point is moot because it relies on future statistics. Why does that make it moot. There is obviously a chance of it not happening, but there is a chance of him breaking every record next year. What we must do is project where he is going. He is projected to be among the premier hitters in HISTORY. That's bad? You also say that circumstance makes hi a good hitter. First off, batting second doesn't give him more chances of hitting. Also, a good team makes him be able to hit more? What? Tony Gwynn was a great hitter and he played for the Padres, who weren't that good. 6. You gave three shortstops from the steroid era that were great power hitters. Well, I just argued that, historically, the position isn't for power hitting. There are two types of hitters, those who hit for power, or average. Doing both is impossible to be expected off. He does the average bit, and does it well. And again, does anyone allege that he is the best homerun hitter ever? Because that is the only way he would be overrated on homerun hitting. 7. What does it matter what his historical position is? He does it well, and you never argued he didn't. I'm glad you put the perspective in there, but still. Also, again! Where is your info that says people think of him as the best person ever at driving in runs. HE ISN'T OVERRATED in your opinion. From what you have said, he is just bad (not true). 8. I never said the Yankees were terrible, but I don't think they are good. They are a wild-card team, and they are old. I also don't see how a team could inflate the STATISTICS of Jeter. Again, do people think he has the worst team ever and he makes them good? No. They don't. Thus, there is nothing to suggest that he is overrated. My opponent has failed to mention the expectations placed on Jeter that he has not met, and therefore hasn't proved that he is overrated. He gave reasons that Jeter is bad, but never that he is overrated. Also, his basis of the statistics argument was that "Jeter has no stats". Also false. Jeter does have stats. Anyway, I have won the debate because the Pro hasn't met the duties necessary for him to meet to win (i.e. proving that Jeter doesn't meet some expectation). Also, I have extended all relevant points.