Experts' Tier R1: In a fair fight, Mace Windu would likely defeat Yoda.

Thanks to Ninja! I have been channeling my inner nerd all day in anticipation of this debate--in other words, I've been looking forward to it. I will use this round to respond to Con's Case andto compare and contrast Yoda and Windu. CON's CASE-- Yoda's Force Abilities --Clearly Yoda does have the abilities Con mentioned. But it is important to note that Mace Windu also has force wave, and force push--as asubset of telekinesis--can also be performed by Windu. Windu also has more abilities on which to draw than Yoda; this is because Windu is able to channel his aggressive energies into constructive use in combat. [1]In other words, Windu is willing to use abilities, like force crush, which come close to the Dark Side. [2]Yoda tends to avoid such abilities, preferring to stay firmly in the light. This means Windu has a greater range of options in the use of the force, and has greater access to powerful, darker force techniques. Con then uses Windu's and Yoda's conflicts with Darth Sidious to contrast the two Jedi. Con asserts that the fact that Yoda caught Sith lightning with his hands shows an ability greater than Windu, who used a lightsaber. Firstly, I don't think Sith lightning will be used in a Windu vs. Yoda faceoff. More importantly though, Windu created a force loop, by which he redirected Sidious's own energy back at him. Windu's use of this Vaapad technique is what caused Sidious's deformities. [3]Yoda created no such loop in his battle with Sidious. [4] You can also see this evidenced in Yoda's battle with Dooku--Yoda couldn't redirect the energy while Dooku was deploying it against him. Yoda had to wait until after Dooku had stopped to send Dooku's lightning back at Dooku. [5] Windu was able to do all of this simultaneously; that is Windu's advantage. Yoda is also unlikely to have been able tocreate thisloop because it was a Vaapad technique--and Yoda has not mastered Vaapad. -- Yoda's Lightsaber Abilities --Con is gliding over a key point here: "Yoda was a master of all but the Vaapad subset of Form VII. " [6] Windu was, as I showed earlier, a master of all seven forms including Vaapad. Therefore, Windu actually has a more comprehensive mastery of lightsaber skills than Yoda. "Windu was one of the greatest swordsmen of his time. " [3]Yoda also prefer to use the Ataru form, which has several issues. It is "weaker in prolonged combat and confined spaces. " [7]Again, Yoda's age prevents him from engaging in prolonged conflict. Force Valor allows him to sustain combat for a while [8] but Yoda can only rely on it for short periods, as I showed in my opening remarks. Therefore, based on Yoda's age and his chosen style of combat, Yoda could not last in a lenghty duel. It is likely, based on Windu's skills, that Windu could prolong the battle, and with every minute that passed, Windu's chances of victory would increase. -- Yoda's Past Feats --No doubt Yoda was a skilled general, but so too was Windu [3]. The resolution is not asking about their skills as tacticians, but rather a duelists. Thus, I fail to see the relevance of Yoda's command skills on Genosis. Windu is no Hailfire droid; he is a Senior member of the Jedi Council with impressive telekinetic powers. He would be unlikely to be trapped and tricked as the droid was. Furthermore, even if he were, he would be able to lift the stones off of himself and continue the duel. Yoda required the help of Sen. Amidala to succeed in the Ilum incident; moreover, he hardly did all of the fighting himself. This is in direct and marked contrast to Windu's solofeat on Dantooine which I described in my case. On the mission to save King Katuunko, Yoda recieved in valuable assistance of several Clones. without their aid, he would not have been able to accomplish his goal of reaching the King before nightfall and may have even been killed. The provided needed covering fire at moments. [9]Many Jedi, such as Quinlan Vos, K'kruhk, and Tsui Choi survived Order 66. [10, 11, 12] That does not mean that any of these Jedi, or Yoda,could defeat Mace Windu. -- Mace Windu --Con implies that the fact that Mace Windu died at Sidious's hand whereas Yoda did not is relevant. However, Mace Windu was attacked by Anakin Skywalker, giving Sidious an opening to strike. Had Anakin not interefered, Sidious would have died. In this way, Windu got closer to killing Sidious than did Yoda. [13]Yoda was not ganged up on like Windu was. Yoda had a 1-on-1 encounter, while Windu had a 2-on-1 encounter and a surprise attack as well. Clearly, the odds were against Windu. Yoda, even with better odds, didn't get as close to killing Sidious as Windu did. SOURCES1 - . http://starwars.wikia.com...2 - . http://starwars.wikia.com...3 - . http://starwars.wikia.com...4 - . http://www.youtube.com... Video (Sidious). Pertenant sections begin immediately.5 - . http://www.youtube.com... Video (Dooku). Pertenant sections begin a 3:20.6 - . http://starwars.wikia.com...7 - . http://starwars.wikia.com...8 - . http://starwars.wikia.com...9 - The image.10 - . http://starwars.wikia.com...11 - . http://starwars.wikia.com...12 - . http://starwars.wikia.com...13 - . http://www.youtube.com... The Video (Palpatine). Pertenant sections begin immediately. Thus, Mace Windu would probably/plausibly defeat Yoda in a fair fight. Thank you!