America is a republic (polidity)

"His only other claim is that Bush won with 49%"That is a fact right there I disprove your argument, al gore had 50%, nader 1%, bush 49%. Bush didn't have a majority. SO boom you lose. "Lincoln with 40%"yep he had a majortiy, but still my case above ruins you. "Bush's case it was electoral votes"That's my argument, democracies rely on popular vote. Even you can't deny that. SO theres proof we are a republic. Also if the electoral college elects by will of majority then why did bush win with 49%? I am for the EC but come one really? Your argument contradicts the facts, that you and i agreed upon, bush won bu 49% vs gores 50%. So that disproves majority rule. " is a fitting quote because by his own definition and admission a Republic is merely an offshoot of Democracy proving that if we did not have a Democracy then we surely could not have a Republic. "So? We wouldn't have computers if franklin hadn't discovered electricity. SO? That doesn't disprove anything. Can I not argue 2 different types of things? People argue PC vs mac all the time, and those are both computers. "Democracy came first"SO? the dinosaur came first and we are not considered so. Monarchy came first we are not one. My opponen't case is flawed. Also you say america was made democracy, but i provided quotes from our founding fathers twice disproving this. America was not meant to be a democracy, as the video stated the word democracy does't appear in the consitution. Also your next quotes:Notice it says social not political condition. Point debunked. "This proves that the underlying theme of American governmental establishment was a theme of Democracy."answer this then:1. then why did benjiman franklin say we where a democracy?2. why did my othr quotes from founding fathers say they hated democracy?3. Why is your quote against all of my quotes directly from the source. " America is only a Democracy in name only."That is a good point, you just said we are in name only therefore we must not be a democracy. You just agreed with me. his ratified by the people point:you forgot: Republic: a state in which the supreme power rests in the body of citizens entitledto vote and is exercised by representatives chosen directly or indirectly by them.so it was ratified by the people, and it still falls in my definiton. His missaplied argumentlol. This quote means nothing as he doesn't say america is one of them. Also his reference is frequentthat is directed towards ancient societys. Judges you can vote on the founding fathers as they are the beginning. Why would they mean democracy if they said republic over and over. "I have not cheated. I followed your definition and clarification for how this debate will go. I have never once claimed that America was founded on anything less than a Democracy. "you didn't cheat technically but argued differently against majority rule until now. " -My sources are qualified. "never said they weren;t I was refuting your argument against mine. Also mine are written my qualified people. Wikipedia was used for definitions and clarifications, not as a argument source. A roman comparison is good because i proved they where a republic, you conceded that, and I proved america is like them. why am I refuting a conclusion lol.I have proven my previous arguments so I will do a few things:C1: america is a republic, not a democracy, there is a difference. A Republic is representative government ruled by law (the Constitution). A democracy is direct government ruled by the majority (mob rule). A Republic recognizes the inalienable rights of individuals while democracies are only concerned with group wants or needs (the public good). [1](foot notes mean c/p'd from that source) Article IV Section 4, of the Constitution "guarantees to every state in this union a Republican form of government".... Conversely, the word Democracy is not mentioned even once in the Constitution. Madison warned us of the dangers of democracies with these words, "Democracies have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention; have ever been found incompatible with personal security or the rights of property; and have in general been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths...", "We may define a republic to be ... a government which derives all its powers directly or indirectly from the great body of the people, and is administered by persons holding their offices during pleasure for a limited period, or during good behavior. It is essential to such a government that it be derived from the great body of the society, not from an inconsiderable proportion or a favored class of it; otherwise a handful of tyrannical nobles, exercising their oppressions by a delegation of their powers, might aspire to the rank of republicans and claim for their government the honorable title of republic." James Madison, Federalist No. 10, (1787) [1] DEMOCRACY: A government of the masses. Authority derived through mass meeting or any other form of "direct" expression. Results in mobocracy. Attitude toward property is communistic--negating property rights. Attitude toward law is that the will of the majority shall regulate, whether is be based upon deliberation or governed by passion, prejudice, and impulse, without restraint or regard to consequences. Results in demogogism, license, agitation, discontent, anarchy. REPUBLIC: Authority is derived through the election by the people of public officials best fitted to represent them. Attitude toward law is the administration of justice in accord with fixed principles and established evidence, with a strict regard to consequences. A greater number of citizens and extent of territory may be brought within its compass. Avoids the dangerous extreme of either tyranny or mobocracy. Results in statesmanship, liberty, reason, justice, contentment, and progress. Is the "standard form" of government throughout the world. [1] America is not a democracy:we are not mob ruleour goverment is not always the masseswe cannot negate property because of a majoritywe have law that is goverment made, not people madewe are not near anarchyAmerica is a republic:Our athority is done through electionswe have trialswe have less extremes (also seen in first vid) and we have liberty and suchSO that proves my point. C2: consitution was not ratified by the people, but by legislatorsOn September 17, 1787, a majority of the delegates to the Constitutional Convention approved the documents over which they had labored since May. [2]politicians elected by people (like the definition) did it not the people as you imply. C3: our goverment functions through representationThe right of citizens to be represented by officials whom they elect [3]republics have representation, democracies dont. C4: quotes “The first requisite of a good citizen in this republic of ours is that he shall be able and willing to pull his own weight.” Theodore Roosevelt “The future of this republic is in the hands of the American voter” Dwight David Eisenhower i have proven that the founding fathers said we where a republic so I shot these out. (more modern, and being presidnet means you know about law and history, so credible quotes)==conclusion==america is a republic, I have proved so with quotes, the pledge of allegence, presidential quotes, goverment sources, showing you the democracy and the republic differences proving that america had more republic it it etc. Vote PRO sources:http://www.garymcleod.org...;[1] http://www.archives.gov...;[2] http://www.cpjustice.org...;[3]