Masterbation is not seen as a sin in the bible

"Genesis 38:8-10 Then Judah said to Onan, “Sleep with your brother’s wife and fulfill your duty to her as a brother-in-law to raise up offspring for your brother.” 9 But Onan knew that the child would not be his; so whenever he slept with his brother’s wife, he spilled his semen on the ground to keep from providing offspring for his brother. 10 What he did was wicked in the Lord’s sight; so the Lord put him to death also." In the full context it shows God punished Onan because he did not give seed to his wife not because he masturbated. This link explains it all in more detail. http://www.straightdope.com... I did not respond to your quotes because they had nothing to do with masturbation itself, once again if they did I would respond to them. I am only saying masturbation is not quoted in the bible as a sin. "There was nothing to negate. I affirmed many things, which you dropped. In real debate, everything is affirmed until countered. You failed to counter anything." That is because what you wanted me to counter was that sexual immoral things that are not involving masturbation are sins. But I'm not arguing that, why would I try to counter that when that is not my argument. That is like If we are arguing meat processing then you argue against it with a bunch of sources that have to do with farming when I am talking about meat processing not farming. I am not trying to counter those sources, unless they have to do with direct quotes from masturbation not sexual immorality which does not include masturbation. Once again the title of the debate is "Masturbation is not seen as a sin in the bible" and unless it mentions masturbation you can't say that it is seen as a sin. "just because masturbation is done with sexual thoughts that are sinful does not make masturbation itself sinful as well.Yes, it actually does. I'm pretty sure you just commuted a fallacy. For example, if eating bacon would indirectly kill someone, and I knew this before hand, eating the bacon would be sinning." I'm sorry I don't see how that is the same at all, it is not a fallacy as the only thing mentioned as being a sin is sexually immoral behavior or thoughts which are not mentioning masturbation. When people masturbate they masturbate because they have sexual thoughtsNo, they actually masturbate while having sexual thoughts. The two are synonymous in producing an orgasm. And don't even get me started about "Masturbation without imagery". Masturbation is done when the person is aroused or has sexual thoughts and possibly watches porn. Your thinking masturbation causes you to do those things or that because you do it with them together it automatically makes both those things bad, masturbation is only the product of sinful actions not the sin itself. Let me give an example, thing 1 is sinful and thing 2 is not. If you do thing 1 then your committing a sin but if you do thing 2 its fine. But if you do them both thing 1 and 2 together then just because they are being done together doesn't make thing 2 a sin because your doing thing 1 with it. Thing 1 is still sinful while thing 2 remains acceptable. Funny you mention "masturbation without imagery" because I wonder if you could find that as a sin in the bible.