God is Illogical

Woah, I'm afraid you've missed something. Definitions of logic[1] all base themselves as a system of ascertaining proof. It is not subjective in any way, shape or form, and the very suggestion that logic is subjective reveals your ignorance in the subject, I'm afraid. Please read up on logic, as it is an a priori system of proof, not speculation or belief. If we believe that one day it might rain and not rain at the same time, 2+2 might just equal 5 and 4 at the same time, or that everything is both in existence and not at the same time, we are not leading ourselves down a simpler path. Logic is the basics; we agree that some arguments exist by definition. That's why it is infallible. I'm afraid your question is so badly worded I quite scanned past it before. Let me try and understand the jargon you use and respond, and you may say whether I have understood you... "How can we have an a temporal existence with a force of the existence of our goodness as a sentiant (sentient, please!) bay without evil?" I believe you are saying "How could we exist on Earth with ethics without evil?" Really, I think that's the best I can gather - last round, but I'll take a crack at it. How can we have good without bad, in other words, and my answer is that we can't. They're both invented concepts, frankly, that we use most often to describe our own views. You think your views are 'good' and I believe mine are, but it has no real truth behind it. If God did exist, however, and we must assume the existence of morals on the premises that He is 'omni-benevolent', a phrase that would mean nothing otherwise, then, however, He would be able to prevent all evil. You say, however, because God is sadistic and must allow evil into the world, I ask in response, why then does He not discriminate against 'sinners' or cruel people when it comes to dishing out the most severe punishments. Let's face it, pain and death come arbitrarily to people of all faiths and creeds, showing that if God is allowing evil, He is not even limiting it. He is letting evil fall on the innocent and kind as much as the cruel and murderous, which is surely wrong? There is no good reason that young children suffer agonising injuries, and until you can explain this, the logical argument that omni-benevolence and omnipotence cannot permit evil, despite the existence of evil, will continue to scar God with a flagrant contradiction. Please refer to me as Cloud, Anti-atheist, not 'otherguy' or even more insulting, 'othergu'. It is impossible to do the impossible. That should be obvious BY DEFINITION. Have you noticed the repetition of the phrase 'by definition'? This is because the basis of logical theorems is that they are true by definition. They cannot be incorrect, and you yourself are claiming that God is illogical. I would at this point like to remind you and the reader that most of your case is explaining why God is exempt from logic, and how He can do the illogical; however, by following this line of argument you have done nothing by corroborate my argument - that God if exists, it can only be by being illogical, which is an impossibility, as it is impossible by definition. Thus, you have led me to the same conclusion in your reasoning; God is illogical. I am not using induction to say it. I am using simple logic. Our argument is whether God is logical, which is an argument over reason and not empiricism. If you had bothered to look at '[1]' of my previous argument, you would have been immediately redirected to some Wikipedia evidence of gluons, but if you're like most college teachers and have a phobia of dreaded 'Wiki' pages, I can guarantee gluons with more trustworthy links from ScienceDirect [2], [3], [4], though we're missing the point, as the whole 'gluon' argument of yours is based solely on empiricism and straying well away from logic. Keep on topic! I'm actually rather tired of this, Anti-atheist; you insist on using empirical arguments, completely skirting my logical arguments; you're doing the debating equivalent of straying off piste, and should suffer an according penalty for deviation. You have failed to tackle the paradox of omnipotence and the problem of evil, which leaves your God very much illogical. You are a poor opponent, Anti-atheist, because you have a poor understanding of logic. I advise you brush up before accepting arguments on logic. Thank you never the less for this debate. [1] https://www.google.co.uk... [2] http://www.sciencedirect.com... [3] http://www.sciencedirect.com... [4] http://www.sciencedirect.com...