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Hay Un Dinosaurio En La Biblia

"No es posible, porque todas las veces en que la Biblia compara algo con un Cedro, siempre se refiere al tamaño"Esta es una falacia. No interesa que todas y cada una de las veces sin contar la que se esta analizando tengan una caracteristica en comun. A menos de que no haya una razon buena para suponer que esta tambien tenga esta caracteristica, uno no deberia pensar que la tiene. Ademas, el mismo verso habla de movimiento. "La palabra original no significa hipoptamo. De hecho, nadie sabe que significa porque se parece en la Biblia sola una vez! "Genial! Felizmente yo no intento probar que se trata de un hipopotamo. No hay demostracion de que se trate de un dinosaurio. No tiene sentido. Lo del cedro no lo prueba porque "se mueve como cedro" puede referirse a muchas cosas. Ademas, evitar los problemas de traduccion con "Porque sirven bastante nuestro propósito" es bastante injusto. Demostrar que se trata de un dinosaurio no es nuestro proposito, es la resolution. Resolution que yo quiero refutar. Conclusion:No veo ninguna razon para suponer que la criatura de la que se habla en Job 40:15-24 sea un dinosaurio. Los argumentos comunmente usados son falaces, o basadas en la ambiguedad y problemas causados por las traducciones y versiones, asi como las diferentes interetaciones de la biblia. Uno no puede usar de ninguna forma una version final, retocada y modificada del libro y suponer que cada uno de los relatos es perfectos. Hay pasajes que no son ambiguos, claro, y son iguales en todas las versiones, pero hay pasajes como el presentado en este debate que son muy diferentes. Y estas diferencias estan en lugares claves. Gracias por el debate.
Hay Un Dinosaurio En La Biblia

"pero el que escribio el libro podria estar refiriendose a cuando el viento hace mover las hojas y ramas del cedro."No es posible, porque todas las veces en que la Biblia compara algo con un Cedro, siempre se refiere al tamaño:Psalms 92:12el crecerá como un Cedro en LíbanoIsaiah 37:24Cortaré todos los Cedros altosEzekiel 17:22También tomaré del palo más alto del Cedro altoEzekiel 31:3El asirio fue como un Cedro en Líbano con palos lindos[...] y de estatura altaAmos 2:9Pero destruí yo al "Amorite" (palabra inglés que no yo puedo traducir) que estuvo antes de ellos, cuya estatura fue como la estatura de los CedrosNunca se refiere al mover de nada."Si hay errores de traduccion, entonces porque suponer que el resto de puntos en la dscripcion no tienen errores de traduccion."Porque sirven bastante nuestro propósito. Si hay un problema, te lo contaré."Y pensar que el libro ha pasado por muchas traucciones solo se puede esperar un "telefono malogrado".No es un problema. Lo peor discrepancia entre los papels originales de la Biblia fue de una sola carta.""Mira al hipopotamo, que hice igual que a ti: Y come hierba como el buey."La palabra original no significa hipoptamo. De hecho, nadie sabe que significa porque se parece en la Biblia sola una vez! Es por eso que los traductores españoles y los demás tuvieron que traducir la palabra a la que ellos creyeron que signifique, usando el contexto de la palabra. Pero como en este caso, el traductor estuvo equivocado, como te demuestro yo.Gracias por debatir conmigo y gracias a la audencia por leer nuestro debate!! :D Les quiero mucho
Hay Un Dinosaurio En La Biblia

"Sólo porque los humans y los dinosaurios no convivieron no significa que Dios no hable de un dinosaurio."Ese verso oarece estar describiendo una escena que esta viendo Job. Pro no puede usar el argumento de los dragones y decir "mira, es obvio" ya que ademas que no son analogos, los dinosaurios si existieron.Ademas, esto abre la posibilidad de que el animal que describe no haya existido tampoco. Que tenga caracteristicas de algun animal que si haya existido no quiere deqie que se refiera a esos animales ya que la cantidad de caracteristicas son bastante bajas."No es bastante ambigua. No hay ningún animal excepto un dinosaurio que tiene una cola como un cedro! Si no tengo la razón, cuéntanos de cualquier animal que sí tiene una cola como un cedro. "El relato que tu escribiste dice "su cola se mueve como un cedro". Esto es importante ya que abre la posibilidad a mas animales. Ahora Pro podria decir que los cedros no se mueven, pero el que escribio el libro podria estar refiriendose a cuando el viento hace mover las hojas y ramas del cedro."El animal en el versículo no tuvo un ombligo. Es simplemente un error de la traducción. "Este tambien es un problema. Si hay errores de traduccion, entonces porque suponer que el resto de puntos en la dscripcion no tienen errores de traduccion. Y pensar que el libro ha pasado por muchas traucciones solo se puede esperar un "telefono malogrado"."Estás equivocado por compararlo con un hipoptamo o un elefante, porque ningún de ellos tienen colas como cedros, sino como palitos."Ya he hablado sobre "se mueve como cedro". Pero si vas a atribuirle errores de traduccion entonces tambien Pro deberia explicar las diferentes versiones de la biblia que en vez de decir behemoth, dicen hipopotamo u algun otro animal.Ejemplo:Job 40:15"Mira al hipopotamo, que hice igual que a ti: Y come hierba como el buey."Nueva Reina- Valera 2000 Ediciones New LifeAsi como en esta, hay muchas versiones y traducciones que dicen hipopotamo, esto en versiones de espanol e ingles. Muestro esta porque es la biblia que tengo en casa y es bien facil para mi obtener la fuente. No creo necesitar colocar mas, porque ya es bastante claro que traducciones, versiones e interpretaciones hay bastante y no es posible estar seguro de que animal esta hablando el pasaje. Y tambien me parece injusto tomar partes de cada version y traduccion para que encaje con u dinosaurio.Gracias. Voten por CON.
Hay Un Dinosaurio En La Biblia

Gracias por aceptar mi debate. Deseo que fueras un creyente, pero ya no hay nada que puedo hacer de eso. :P1. Sólo porque los humans y los dinosaurios no convivieron no significa que Dios no hable de un dinosaurio. La Biblia también obvio habla de dragones, pero no dirías que no puede ser posible sólo porque los dragones y los humans nunca convivieron? Los dragones ni existieron. 2. No es bastante ambigua. No hay ningún animal excepto un dinosaurio que tiene una cola como un cedro! Si no tengo la razón, cuéntanos de cualquier animal que sí tiene una cola como un cedro. 3. El animal en el versículo no tuvo un ombligo. Es simplemente un error de la traducción. Sería mejor traducida como "lo duro" o "el centro". (1) Estás equivocado por compararlo con un hipoptamo o un elefante, porque ningún de ellos tienen colas como cedros, sino como palitos. :)(1) The Book of Job, London: Blackie & Son, n.d., Vol. II, p. 248
Hay Un Dinosaurio En La Biblia

Comienzo por agradecer a "Pro" por haber creado este debate en este controversial tema entre creyentes.Ahora, debo aclarar que no soy un creyente y baso la veracidad de la resolución en la evidencia que tenemos a alcance y su relacion con los escritos.Argumento:Mi argumento inicial sera que no hay ninguna razón para suponer que la criatura de la que habla el libro de Job sea un dinosaurio.Ademas de que hay muchas razones que reducen muchisimo la posibilidad de que asi sea:1. La evidencia nos muestra de que los humanos y los dinosaurios no convivieron. Esto quiere decir que Job no pudo haber visto un dinosaurio. En el libro, parece que Job esta dando una descripción de algo que esta viendo.2. La descripción de la criatura en el libro es bastante ambigua. No es posible asegurar que se esta hablando de un dinosaurio. Podría estar hablando de muchos otros animales herbívoros.3. El relato muestra esta oracion: "Y su fortaleza en el ombligo de su vientre", pero los dinosaurios son reptiles. Los reptiles no tienen ombligo. En cambio, animales como un hipopotamo o un elefante estarian mas cerca a la descripción que cualquier dinosaurio, incluyendo herbívoros."Demostraría que es un dinosaurio pero ya es obvio. " No, no lo es. Por favor demuestrelo. Gracias por el debate. Vote por "CON".
Hay Un Dinosaurio En La Biblia

En El Libro De Job, Dios habla de un dinosaurio: Job 40:15–24He aquí ahora behemoth, al cual yo hice contigo; Hierba come como buey. He aquí ahora que su fuerza está en sus lomos, Y su fortaleza en el ombligo de su vientre. Su cola mueve como un cedro, Y los nervios de sus genitales son entretejidos. Sus huesos son fuertes como bronce, Y sus miembros como barras de hierro. El es la cabeza de los caminos de Dios: El que lo hizo, puede hacer que su cuchillo á él se acerque. Ciertamente los montes producen hierba para él: Y toda bestia del campo retoza allá. Echaráse debajo de las sombras, En lo oculto de las cañas, y de los lugares húmedos. Los árboles sombríos lo cubren con su sombra; Los sauces del arroyo lo cercan. He aquí que él tomará el río sin inmutarse: Y confíase que el Jordán pasará por su boca. ¿Tomarálo alguno por sus ojos en armadijos, Y horadará su nariz? Demostraría que es un dinosaurio pero ya es obvio.
Crimes Should Have Victims

You act as if this is entirely black and white. At no point did I say anything that implied either we ban everything that causes a potential threat or non of it, simply that some things are more obvious than others. There's a lot of grey area and nuance, and, making legal decisions, it's important to keep that in mind. While I'm practically reiterating what you're saying, this applies as much to you as it does to me. More so, considering you're the one arguing in favor of treating it as black and white, while I confront the nuance. for instance, your point about knifes is both correct and wrong. It's correct in the fact that outright banning knifes does not make logical sense, as they hold a practical use, but wrong in it's nature. Because a knife hold a practical use, should we ignore the reality that it holds a threat as shown through history? There should be, and there are, laws in place to prevent crimes such as not allowing switch blades, concealed carry of knifes, ect. These make sense because they allow people to have the knife, but holds civil practicalities. As to the point involving statutory rape, that is an argument entirely in itself. I'd be glad to debate you on that. Feel free to challenge me.
Crimes Should Have Victims

You do bring up some important points: "It's better to prevent a victim than to deal with it after a person has been hurt in some way." But at what point do you "prevent" victims or not? Knives have the potential to injure or kill someone, but are you going to arrest everyone who owns knives just to prevent the possibility of something like that happening? It would eventually become a totalitarian society if anything that has the possibility of causing a victim is prohibited. Also, another point that I would like to bring up: What about supposed "crimes" that don't even have victims in the first place? For example, there have been people who have been arrested for "statutory rape", but these instances were not forced, but consensual. Not everyone under the age of 18 should immediately be looked at as if they are stupid or don't know what they are doing. Or even prostitution, in cases where both individuals are over the age of 18, is still illegal in many areas.
Crimes Should Have Victims

Crimes such as evasion or even traffic violations have the potential to create a victim and cause serious harm to our society while not entirely effecting another person. These crimes are preventive and make sense. Which brings me to the point that it's better to prevent a victim than to deal with it after a person has been hurt in some way. If someone runs red lights, and you pull them over and eventually evoke their licence or even make an arrest to prevent it happening in the future, you're helping society more than if you waited for someone to actually be harmed in the process.
Crimes Should Have Victims

Just to make everything clear with this subject, I'll list a few definitions:Victim: a person harmed, injured, or killed as a result of a crime, accident, or other event or action. Crime: an action that constitutes an offense that may be prosecuted by the state and is punishable by law.I personally believe that in order for anything to be "illegal", it should have a victim. For example, murder obviously has a victim. So anybody that commits murder should be punished, or at least kept from doing it again. Rape, theft, assault, all of these crimes have victims, and I believe that it isn't hard at all to see that things like that should be illegal. I think that the biggest or most prominent issue that comes up when someone says "victimless crime" is drug-use. Just to name a specific example, lets talk about marijuana. When used safely, responsibly, and under the right circumstances, there is no victim. Nobody is truly "hurt". You may argue that the user is "harming" themselves, but that should be their own choice to make. If you actively decide to do something, and you feel like the pros outweigh the cons, and nobody else is "hurt" in the process, why should anyone stop you? Who could possibly believe that they should have more power over your own body than you yourself do?
The U.S. should stop being the world police

The U.S. is a responsible democratic country in relative terms to other less democratic, communist and autocratic countries. Just as the Roman Empire transformed Europe into a more civilized and cohesive unit of countries; America has carried on this moral tradition to create a better world. The threat of nuclear annihilation has proved to be an effective deterrent to countries like Russia, North Korea and China. These countries have been very quiet since America has had the capacity to blow these countries off the world map in a few short hours. Thus, nuclear weapons are a really effective means of promoting peace and harmony throughout the world. Countries like Iraq and Afghanistan need to come into the modern age and dispel their primitive ways. These countries hold key resources and hold strategic value in the securing of oil resources. America needs to keep a tight rein on these countries; otherwise countries like Russia and China would step in and take control.
Claustrophobia

I'd like to define a couple key terms (all definitions from Merriam Webster)Claustrophobia: : a fear of being in closed or small spaces My opponent is trying to prove that all humans have claustrophobia. However, claustrophiba is a fear and evidence show that it is possible to feel no fear. A disorder called Urbach Withe Disorder destroys the amygdala, which is responxible for fear. This person, and all people like her, do not suffer from any level of claustrophobia. As such, my opponents case falls. . http://www.wired.com...;Good luck to the Pro.
Claustrophobia

I apologize to the Pro. If you look to several of my other debates, my opponents have forfeited and not returned. I did not mean anything against you particularly. I was venting for missing out on several other potentially interesting debates.My opponent has tried to show that my evidence in inconclusive by pointing out potential flaws. However, he in know way refutes that the condition does exist and that is does cause a lack of fear. It is not that she is able to cope with it, she feels no fear from anything. Claustrophobia doesn't affect her in the slightest, so duration wouldn't matter.
Rap Battle : Neo (Matrix, Pro) vs Luke Skywalker (Con) ; Explicit not for Kids

I don't know how this kid thinks he is going to win this fight I am going to pretend you are Han Solo and freeze you in carbonite Brr luke starting to realize that sht is cold This is the matrix btch, time to put it in slow mow This is a chest game and I am going to make you my pawn Light your azz up like the death star when it blew up alderaan You may think you are a slick pilot but that just aint true If you came to zion, they would make a real man out of you I have the oracle by side, I can see the end of time I am a virtual God, and you are just destined to die. I am going to take his lightsaber, cut him clean through I am going to slap you so hard, maybe you will forget your own father hates you Let's do a color comparison, just between me and you If we looked at your light saber, we can clearly see your favorite color is blue See that is cool luke, but my favorite color is red It is the color of the pill I swallowed, and the last color your are going to see before you end up dead. All those brackets in those lyrics makes that sht hard to see I was going to throw up some rebuttals, but all of your rhymes were mad weak. Literally trying to read what you were typing, it really made my eyes itch All those /slashes in your rap just proved your an emo btch Bars are a gift, one the force didn't chose to give you See I see bars all the time, the matrix is coding and I can easily read you I have my got my crew; Morpheus, trinity, Switch, and Dozer You have got a sith lord for a father, your just a jedi poser Your father hates you, you loved your sister, and your best friend and her actually got hitched. With friends like that I would be happy if cypher tried to pull my switch. Now this battle is over, and it is quite clear that I have won If I can teach you anything its the fact a sword will never beat a gun.
Rap Battle : Neo (Matrix, Pro) vs Luke Skywalker (Con) ; Explicit not for Kids

*Que beatThe \schizophrenic \made his mind and \came out to \play\let me slash up \his behind and \kill him if I \may\think I give a \damn about my \sister, \eh?You're \fixed on that, \mister, \here's what I \say: I \lived a life so \full and right with \powers matched by \none\crashed a cruiser, \Matrix user \cannot fight the \sonthat \beat the future, \beat the looser, \brighter than the \sun.you \can't even swim in \water, how \can you fight the \one? You're \powers are \weak, so \sad and \bleak, you \can't even \win me in \rhyme\\near-rhymes, \half rhymes, \rhymeless \melodies, and you \dare calling yourself \divine?\multiple \syllables, \untouchable \principles: the \wording \shall \alignStop \trying and relying on your \single case, it's \dying, stop \wasting your \precious \time. \Completing the \trio, \save me now \Neo, you're \missing out \quite the \act:\hundred and \million, now \be in your \oblivion but \just don't \deny the \fact\you're \falling too \short; that the \legacy \sort; that the \trilogy \will attractthe \masses, the \millions, the \sci-fi of \trillions of \light years \will adapt.\ the \Matrix is \falling, the \trash is it's \calling, the \shadow of \Luke will \fall\\onto you \Neo, you're \almost as \Nero, a \lunatic \in the \hall.\Can't be the \winner, your \heart is my \dinner, the \grave you \soon shall \call\a \digital \home, you're so \sad and alone, why \won't you \just withdraw?\ Your \body is\ frozen in \carbonite \chosen. my \father will \ship you. \soon\you're \fed to the \rancor, it's \getting the \hanker, i'll \wait in the \desert saloon\and \slice up the \monster \along with the \mobster that \lives in the \palace attune\to the \saddened condition of \earthling decision; the \death of \you, \buffoon.\ You \die and that's \it but you \don't throw a \fit cause you'll \still be \one with the \force\\lost your own \motion, your \thought and emotion but \I will grow \on and of \course\become a true \pastor and \death I will \master, I \still be \one on the \course.\maintain my own \conscious, you're \looking bit \anxious, \shall we \count across? \8 are his \verses and \6 are his \curses that \Luke is \still \ahead.\Machines are the \7 that \send him to \heaven, the \day you \all will \dread.\the \5 are the \deaths of the \crew that you \left, by \me they \all have \bled.\\4 are the \powers that \work in the \hours the \real \world you \led\.\3 are the \inches that that \Trinity \pinches when \Neo lies \down in his \bed\.\2 are the \pills that still \give you the \chills, you \should have abandoned the \red.\For \1 is the \victor that \spits the rhymes \sicker, the \one that can \you behead.\Underestimate me \Thomas? I \lived with the \farmers but \listen for \I have \said:\ the \real world \isn't your \real world. \cannot delete me, so \turn your \tail and \run\\crack my code \open for \I am the \chosen and \this isn't the \Matrix 01you're \powerless \redpill, you're \lost mr. \dead-will, so \leave us, \won't you \go?\\Luke is the \master, your \preacher, force \caster so \hide in your \rabbit \hole.\
Rap Battle : Neo (Matrix, Pro) vs Luke Skywalker (Con) ; Explicit not for Kids

A long time ago in a galaxy far far away This btch tried to bone his sister and that sht was mad gay I think it"s called incest in these modern times Then Harrison Ford stole that btch in the blink of an eye This kid says he"s good with hands and his lightsabers skills are real nice But the only thing that revolves around his hand is his mother fukin sex life His father hated him and chopped off his hand His auntie and uncle were gang banged by a few different sandmans This story sounds kind of tragic, it almost makes me shed a tear Then I remembered I"m neo btch, and you"re some gay looking jedi queer The world that you know is all just a game In which I"m a literal God with an endless reign Pretend this is the bible , and lets have story time Hi my name is Neo, and I am the God that reigns on high The trinity in the bible, that sht is fake and dead Trinity is just another btch that loves to suck on my head I am neo btch and by the time this is over I am going to expose your azz as just another poser His light saber his limp and it resembles his cok If I"m God that makes you Jesus and I"m going to stick you back behind that rock Let"s have a math lesson, time to count back from ten By the time we get to 0 it will be clear who is going to win This luke guy is nothing but a wussy 9 is the number of times in the day, he prays he will see a actually see a pusy 8 is how many times his aunt was raped before she died 7 is amount of tears he shed when he found out his father turned to the dark side 6 is the number of years that he was a farmer on tattoine 5 is the size of his tiny epeen 4 is how many inches his dik is according to his friends 3 is the number of girls that dumped him because they said they could not feel it in them 2 this rap battle is about be done This is the Marix and I am the 1