The Bible does not support the traditional Christian concept of The Devil/Satan.

For the source of all my scriptures quotes unless otherwise specified I will use: . http://scriptures.lds.org... This will reduce the amount of links and increase readability. ---- My opponent states "none of these 'facts' or the 'facts' I posted in round 1 are clarified or implied in the Bible. " I disagree with this statement by my opponent as many of these things ARE implied in the Bible: 1. Satan was the Serpent who tempted Eve and caused the 'fall of man'. = TRUE Genesis 3:1 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden? 2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden: 3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die. 4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: 5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil. It can be reasonably implied that because of the actions that the serpent was taking (seeking to destroy the work of God by causing Adam and Eve to Fall) that it was the devil (or the devil spoke through the serpent). Also the connection between Serpent being the Devil is also shown by: Revelation 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old SERPENT, CALLED THE DEVIL, AND SATAN, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. Revelation 20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old SERPENT, WHICH IS THE DEVIL, AND SATAN, and bound him a thousand years, 2. Satan was an angel called Lucifer. = TRUE It can also be reasonably implied that Lucifer/ Satan/ Devil are all the same being. By comparing several scriptures a more clear picture materializes of a being who was cast out of heaven for rebellion and who became an enemy to God. Revelation 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, 8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. 9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old SERPENT, CALLED THE DEVIL, AND SATAN, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. Isaiah 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! Luke 10:18 And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven. (spoken by Jesus) It can reasonably be implied by these scriptures that the Serpent/ Devil/ Satan are the same being (see Rev. 12:9). And then by knowing that this being was cast out of heaven for rebellion (see Rev. 12:7,8) the connection between Lucifer and Satan is then cemented by the other two scriptures which describe the being who was cast out of heaven for rebellion (see Isa. 14:12 & Luke 10:18). 3. He sinned against God and was cast out of heaven. = TRUE This is clearly shown above in point 2 by the exact same scriptures. 4. He is completely evil, as bad as God is good. = TRUE He is described as the "adversary" (which means enemy) and as one who is seeking to devour (destroy). 1Peter 5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour: Also, if the devil was not evil or bad why would God feel the need to "bind him" for a thousand years? Revelation 20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, 5. He lives in Hell where he tortures sinners. =DISTINCTION MADE The distinction was already made that the devil does live on earth. My opponent however wants to argue that he has a base in heaven rather than hell - quote by PRO: "Job shows 'Satan' travelling back and forth to Earth but from a base in Heaven rather than Hell. " I believe the following scriptures clearly show that Satan was cast out of heaven and he no longer has any ties to heaven. Luke 10:18 And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven. (spoken by Jesus) Revelation 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the devil, and SATAN, which deceiveth the whole world: he WAS CAST OUT INTO THE EARTH, and his angels were cast out with him. The scriptures show that he was "cast out into the EARTH" no ties to anywhere else are mentioned. ---- I will now continue to address my opponent's rebuttal: 1. Loyal servant of God. My using the example of the POWs was simply a loose analogy to be used simply to show that a being can be taking particular actions which help a being that they are still an enemy to. Breakdowns in any analogy are to be expected, but the concept still remains valid. I would also like to further examine a quote by PRO: "It is Satan's own idea to torment and test Job, if anyone is manipulating the situation it's him. " That does not seem to be the case as it is the LORD who steers the conversation to what He wants to talk about! He plays Satan like a fiddle by directing his focus where He wants it to be (on Job) Job 1:8 And the Lord said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil? This definitely does NOT sound like Satan is manipulating the situation. ---- 2. God encourages and facilitates his tempting and testing of people. The scripture I quoted was to make an important distinction "that God being perfect does not directly tempt people". God understands that temptation will be present on the Earth, BUT God ALWAYS encourages people to choose righteousness. It is plain to see that God was not pleased by Satan/ Serpent tempting Adam and Eve. Tempting them was seen as evil and so the serpent was CURSED not encouraged! Genesis 3:14 And the Lord God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life: ---- 3. God appointed him ruler of the world. My opponent addressed the easy part of my rebuttal but did not adequately address the concept of: ". .. the moral is that just because a person is in POWER, does not necessarily mean they are in FAVOR! " But to address a quote by PRO: "This is not the sort of honour God would bestow on just anybody and certainly only a loyal servant who was not completely evil. " I would point out that there have been other wicked people who have been put into positions of trust and authority by God, an example of such a person would be Judas Iscariot, who was appointed to be a holy apostle, but who was the man who betrayed Jesus Christ. People are allowed to make choices but God controls outcomes. ---- 4. He is, like Jesus, a son of God. I do partially concede this point. I concede that the devil is also a son of God. What I don't concede however, is that this relationship somehow would make the devil righteous, because it does not. My point "RELATIONSHIPS DO NOT DETERMINE RIGHTEOUSNESS" was to show that just because Lucifer is a son of God does not mean he is in any way, shape or form, righteous or like Jesus Christ! (WHICH MY OPPONENT HINTED AT WITH HIS WORDING) the devil is still evil, even though God is the father of both of them. So Lucifer is a son of God, but "unlike" Jesus, because he is evil and Jesus is righteous. ---- 5. Limited words left, but this link explains Isa. 14 . http://www.fairlds.org...