May Regular Tournament: God Exists

Thanks a lot, Tejretics. Apologies for the incredibly last minute reply, got carried away on the weekend ;) It hurts not being able to form retorts in this round, but I guess I'll try and survive. I also apologise for the format, my work computer doesn't like to cooperate with Rich Text, so this ugly format is what you'll be looking at, in this round anyway. I also apologise for apologising so much - I'm Canadian. Okay, down to business. God - A supernatural, intelligent being, who is the transcendent cause for the universe. Now if there were no other possible causes for the Universe to come into existence, this may be a reasonable claim. The definition for supernatural (great TV series) is - "of, relating to, or being above or beyond what is natural; unexplainable by natural law or phenomena; abnormal [1]." So basically it's just an event that is (currently) unexplainable. This simply means that the idea of God is not understandable according to the laws of logic, science, etc. This can be said about anything, however - The Flying Spaghetti Monster is supernatural, as it cannot be explained natural law. But back to the origins of the Universe - the definition that you provided for God was that he's basically the creator of the Universe. That implies two things. One; the Universe had a beginning. The only evidence we have that supports the idea that the Universe (the totality of existence) had a beginning, is that all matter is seemingly moving away from a single point, shown by red shift, and the fact that we cannot see "beyond" the observable Universe [2]. However... "The Universe" is simply a word used to describe the totality of existence. The "totality of existence" is arguably infinite energy [3], considering the fact that energy can not be created nor destroyed. So the space that our "Universe" occupies is bigger than our Universe, and is most likely in fact infinite, if it is made up solely of energy. This energy spawns what we call "universes" - the multiverse theory [4]. How does it "spawn" universes, you ask? Well, according to religion, it's God that created the universes. But according to science, something a bit more reliable and plausible than faith, Quantum Fluctuations [5] can create Universes [6]. Quantum Fluctuations are basically the temporary change of the amount of energy in a point in space, in which that time period can create matter, as energy is capable of creating matter, and we've pretty much accomplished that here on Earth [7]. Earth is to our Solar System as our Solar System is to the Milky Way, as the Milky Way is to the Universe, as the Universe is to the totality of existence. A common misconception when referring to the Universe is that much of the population considers the Universe to literally be "everything," and considering the "Universe" (not in the "totality of existence" sense), most likely does have a beginning, it's not unreasonable to come to the conclusion that nothing existed before the Universe existed, therefore "nothing" creating the Universe is impossible, and therefore God created the Universe. However that's all based around the idea that the Universe is in fact the totality of existence - my argument is that the Universe - our Universe - is inside the totality of existence - which is in fact infinite, as the totality of existence is energy - the one thing that can not be created nor destroyed. Something that is infinite does not have a cause, and therefore, no reason for God. So let's sum it up quickly - It is asserted that God created the Universe, however I have shown both that the "Universe" (the totality of existence) could very well be infinite, as well as quantum fluctuations very well being the cause for our "Universe" (the thing that's 13.8 billion years old). Both my theories are scientifically testable, and are not relying on "supernatural" terminology, giving the idea that we actually can (for the most part) understand and explain these phenomena via natural law. These two points alone make it much more likely that the God we are referring to most likely does not exist. These major points, along with the fact that there has been no recorded evidence of God existing, let alone anything "supernatural" (in the spiritual sense) existing, it is again, fair to conclude that God most likely does not exist. Any claim can be made about anything, but just because it is "impossible" to "disprove" does not mean that it has been proved. Considering there is no evidence for the existence of God, nor is there "evidence" for the lack of existence (although I'd consider the zero evidence for the existence of God to be good enough to rationalize that he most likely does not exist), in order to mostly disprove the existence of God, we would be required to present logical, realistic alternatives to each others claim. You say God created the Universe, I say nope, Quantum Fluctuations did. So the only thing you have left arguing for the existence of God is most likely going to be 100% theory/semantics, and no real "proof" at all. However I am looking forward to your arguments! I believe that's all I want to bring up right now. You say God exists, I say he doesn't. I've presented plenty of evidence that supports logical, realistic, highly possible alternatives to the primary "only God could do ____" claims. Remember, thousands of Gods once existed, when natural phenomena were "unexplainable," - at the time, considered supernatural. What is the main thing our species does not understand now? Well, we know how the Sun and Solar System cycles work. We understand how weather works. We understand how gravity works (for the most part.) However, we still aren't 100% on the beginning of time - very similar to not being 100% on lightning, for example, it's common to make up an answer to keep us happy - and that *temporary* answer is God, like it has been for every other unexplainable thing. The more we can scientifically understand, the less we need the idea of God. That's how it's been throughout history. It's just a matter of time until the last few Gods for each religion (and in general, as we're debating about now) fade away, as we discover more and more answers about the Universe (in the totality of existence sense). Thanks a lot for the first round, talk to you in a bit, hah. [1] http://dictionary.reference.com... [2] http://www.physicsoftheuniverse.com... [3] https://www.grc.nasa.gov... [4] http://news.nationalgeographic.com... [5] https://universe-review.ca... [6] http://www.space.com... [7] http://www.forbes.com...