God most likely does NOT exist

you are most welcome, thank-you for being respectful it is an honor to debate you. Argument 1 Rationality "If God exists did He come into being?" No, my main point was that to be God means eternal, by definition of God, God is eternal. So if God exists, He is eternal and had no beginning. To say He did have a beginning is to longer make Him God. I made this point earlier and was sorta dropped. it is a contradiction in terms. You can either have God, or something that comes into existence. not both in one. "Is the Universe Eternal?" I have four main responses. Your argument states that Einstein proved the big bang theory and thus no God. However my point in bringing this up was not to disprove that the universe may have been small at one point, but that the universe had a beginning. Our universe as far as we know, had an absolute beginning. Cause and effect. God has to exist. My second response is the point I brought in my first speech which was dropped. Even if some thing could come from nothing, or even if the universe seems to be eternal, there has to be a God, why because the big bang theory says the universe exploded. If it exploded how did we get the extreme precision that we have today in the universe? Only God. From chaos comes chaos. God has to exist. My third response is kinda a counter response. Throughout this debate round we have talked about faith and its role in this universe. Well I would like to point you are making a leap of faith in putting your trust in science. Science has limitations. What if the experiment was performed wrong? What if they didn't know something? And disproved later? You are the one who has now taken a leap of faith in science. This big band theory may be consistent with some data in our time, but what in 100 yrs? You are putting your trust in shifting sand. Whereas Christians, we have absolutes to rest upon. ie. truth, reason, morals... ect My forth point is a point I brought earlier, even if you have all the reason, and evidence you could wish for, you will NEVER disprove God. Why do I say this? because if you step on objective reasoning to prove there is no God, you have destroyed the very reason you stand on. Without God, there is no absolute truth and reason, if everything is subjective, there is no absolute reason, thus why should I accept your reason. Your reason is relative to you, and my logic is relative to me. Thus why should I accept your reasoning? I'm not sure which quote you are referring to. If you are referring to the quote about love your enemies, it doesn't matter if Jesus is Lord, what matters is that WAS His teachings. Peace and love. not hate. Argument 2 and 3 I am sorry my arguments aren't the easiest to follow. :) I basically i was talking about how without God, no absolutes. But we know there are absolutes. (I shall talk abit more later on this) I brought other points too. argument 4 was dropped. Basically without God, no basis for freedoms. We see that if we abandon these principles the result is horrible. (Nazi Germany for example) Even though religious people have committed horrible things, atheists have committed more horrible things. Response 1 If you are an atheist, there are NO absolutes. We agree on this, as you stated time, truth, and other absolutes doesn't exist. However we know they exist. Why? I have two main reasons. The first is the contradiction I brought up under argument 1. If no truth then you can never PROVE something. Thus you can never disprove something! Tell me, Is it true there is no truth? You see either way you go, there has to be truth. Your stuck. It's a contradiction. There has to be a God because absolutes exist. The second is the very fact we are debating here proves truth exist. We are both adhering to an objective standard of truth. Without it, we can never prove something. This adhering to the standard of truth is what we Christians call honesty. Your next point was that if God knows what we will do advance, there is no human free will. However, your point is a logical fallacy. Think about it, if I know what my friend will do in advance, have I destroyed your human free will? no! I simply knew what your FREE WILL would choose! Response 2 your next point states that God if He exists doesn't intervene in life. However you dropped my response to your original point. I stated that God is still good even if He doesn't seem to intervene in our lives. You dropped my point and your new point was simply that God prob doesn't intervene in our lives. And to be honest, for this new point I have a very simple response that you may not like. How can you make the claim that God doesn't intervene or work in our lives if you refuse to believe He exists and even more, will not go to HIm in repentance? and ASK for His help? I can certainly say HE works in my life, but for you, it is a matter of faith, and you can't say He works in your life if you make those two fallacies. As for the Bible, I admit that my example was one sided as it is what we are debating. My apologies, hopefully my first point cleared that up from a more fair stance. Thank-you and I look forward to your responses!