The Bible is immoral.

To reiterate we're trying to determine if the Bible is immoral. My opponent asked for a clarification, “MORALITY MUST BE OBJECTIVE.” One last time. Morality relates to how members within a group interact, it's what is approved or not by the group. What we now deemed moral is codified into laws based on consensus, and yes it changes. Debate criteria: Using examples from a Christian Bible and the standards of our society my opponent and I will try to determine if the Bible is a moral source. My opponent makes a point I must address. “IF MORALS ARE SUBJECTIVE, THEN IT WOULD BE IMPOSSIBLE TO JUSTLY CONDEMN ANYONE'S BEHAVIOR.” We’re a social species like wolves and other primates. Within a social species there are hierarchies and roles individuals must fit into. In wolfpacks the dominant wolf eats until its full followed by the lesser ranking members. The low ranking members may not get anything when it’s their turn. However, most wolves would rather starve than break rank and eat out of turn. Wolves who aren't keen to follow rules (morals) then are kicked out of the pack or killed. We have a more complex form of society because our complicated behaviour. Our rules have to change as cultures change. Humans live in small bands of isolated hunter-gathers to dense megacities. Societies adjust rules in order to accommodate its members. From our predecessors we have inherited much of our tendencies and that's what is common across societies. In primate societies killing members of your group is bad but not necessarily killing outsiders. Humanity has had a chance to learn from trial and error and recorded history. We've expanded our in group from people you see every day, to people who have your citizenship, to every member of our species. The Bible was written (bronze age) when people behaved moraly to member of their tribe (Israelites) and drew a stark line between out members (gentiles). My opponent states: “But at lease my blueprint claims to come from an objective source, and just so happens to line up with many of the current and historic "common sense" morals, unlike some of the other "books that claim objective knowledge" you mentioned.” I asked him to prove that his source is objective and he couldn’t. He's worried about claims of objectivity rather than testing them. Ok, the Koran is an objective source, and the book of Mormon, so is Scientology and anything else that claims guidance from a supernatural being ……. like the Bible. We agreed genocide is bad according to both of our morals. He denies that the Spanish Inquisition qualifies. Jews were rounded up and forced to convert to Christianity. If caught relapsing they would be put to death. When suspected of hiding their devotion to their former faith, they were tried and often tortured to get confessions. Jews lost their identity, up to 20% of Spaniards carry traces of Jewish ancestry but less than 1% identify themselves as such. My opponent dismisses it as just trying to spread his faith, he feels like the exceptions to genocide is conversions. I don't feel missionary work is genocide but killing someone for their beliefs is, as is forcing conversions against one's will or against their parents approval. When I pointed to out Biblical examples of genocide and immorality he dismissed them as stories vs. what he called teachings. What are the point of those stories? Filler or entertainment? Comparisons of morality between the Bible and our legal code. Slavery. Bible However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT) Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. (Ephesians 6:5 NLT) US Law 13 Amendment Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction. Section 2. Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.[1] Rape Bible So they sent twelve thousand warriors to Jabesh-gilead with orders to kill everyone there, including women and children. "This is what you are to do," they said. "Completely destroy all the males and every woman who is not a virgin." Among the residents of Jabesh-gilead they found four hundred young virgins who had never slept with a man, and they brought them to the camp at Shiloh in the land of Canaan. (Judges 21:10-24 NLT) If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her. (Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NLT) If within the city a man comes upon a maiden who is betrothed, and has relations with her, you shall bring them both out of the gate of the city and there stone them to death: the girl because she did not cry out for help though she was in the city, and the man because he violated his neighbors wife. (Deuteronomy 22:23-24 NAB) US Law Uniform Code of Military Justice [USC Title 10, Subtitle A, Chapter 47X, Section 920, Article 120] defines rape as: (a) Rape.— Any person subject to this chapter who commits a sexual act upon another person by— (1) using unlawful force against that other person; (2) using force causing or likely to cause death or grievous bodily harm to any person; (3) threatening or placing that other person in fear that any person will be subjected to death, grievous bodily harm, or kidnapping; (4) first rendering that other person unconscious; or (5) administering to that other person by force or threat of force, or without the knowledge or consent of that person, a drug, intoxicant, or other similar substance and thereby substantially impairing the ability of that other person to appraise or control conduct; is guilty of rape and shall be punished as a court-martial may direct. Religious tolerance Bible 4 of the 10 commandments. You must kill those who worship another god. Exodus 22:20 Kill any friends or family that worship a god that is different than your own. Deuteronomy 13:6-10 Kill all the inhabitants of any city where you find people that worship differently than you. Deuteronomy 13:12-16 Kill everyone who has religious views that are different than your own. Deuteronomy 17:2-7 Kill anyone who refuses to listen to a priest. Deuteronomy 17:12-13 Kill any false prophets. Deuteronomy 18:20 US Law 1st Amendment Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. I've provided examples from the Bible demonstrating immoral teachings that contradict specific laws in our legal system. I've also showed that we don't use the Bible for our morality because we emphasis religious tolerance, protect victims, try criminals and measure out justice accordingly. Anything I mentioned considered immoral? The spirit of the argument is to determine morality by our standards. My opponent can use our laws to prove the Bible more moral if he wants. I chose to do the reverse. Can he use his objective morality to determine any laws immoral? Just point them out. When I give examples of what I deem immorality in the Bible can he defend them? Thanks to my opponent and I look forward to his response. Those who vote I apologize so much energy was spent on defining terms. My opponent has made some really well placed arguments and I hope I have addressed them.