The Earth orbits the Sun

1) Speed of Light If an object is moving faster than the speed of light, it would, quite literally, be moving faster than the light that is being given off. It is similar to breaking the sound barrier; a plane moving faster than the speed of sound cannot be heard until it has already passed. Likewise, a planet, or star, could not be seen until it had already passed, and would continue to stay ahead of the light being given off. This is not possible, as we are able to see the star/stellar body. 2) Motion of Planets/Stellar Bodies I was not discounting the Aether. I understand your argument, stating that the super dense Aether traps the planets and carries it within its motion. However, your example using the pot of soup is flawed. I understand that the pot of soup is the Universe as well. What you don't account for, or even mention, is the pot itself. Where is the boundary of the Universe? Isn't it believed to be expanding? Even from a geocentric theory, even assuming the Earth is the center of the Universe, the Universe could still be expanding. If you were to take away the pot, the soup would certainly not maintain its circular motion. It would move in straight lines, expanding in every direction to the extent that it could. 3) Time Lapse Photos Once again, I mistyped/wrongly explained the point I was attempting to make. I stated that the fan was moving, when I should have said you were spinning underneath it. It would have the same effect. By spinning underneath the fan, you would perceive that the outer limits of the fan would be moving at a faster speed than portions closer to the center. I apologize for making that error in my explanation. Furthermore, if the stars move in that orbital pattern (according to geocentrism), what are they orbiting? I was under the assumption that they were orbiting the Earth, and I fail to see how being able to view this circular motion above us at all times is orbiting Earth. 4) Moon's Orbit Once again, you are under the assumption that the Sun plays the largest role in the Moon's orbit. The Earth, as stated, is what the Moon is orbiting, giving basis to the knowledge that the Earth plays a fairly large role concerning the Moon's gravitational source. I would make another point about the Moon, but it is the last round and you wouldn't have a chance to respond. Perhaps I will ask this in the comments. 5) The Aether That is quite a broad statement, saying that the Aether moves across the atmosphere. This is not a set term; there is no beginning or end to the atmosphere, simply different layers. You are wrong to state that the ground of Earth, or more correctly the air directly above the Earth, is not the atmosphere (I understand that you didn't state this directly, but by differentiating the ground and atmosphere, it is implied). What if the height limit that planes fly at is still under the boundary of the Aether moving? In my understanding, it would still be possible fly under the current conditions. 6) My Proof I do keep stating this. However, it does not disprove the theory either. It is in no way proof that the stars are orbiting, merely another way of attempting to explain it. You have been very keen on asking for proof, something that you have also identified as impossible (What if the methods are wrong? What if there was bias? How do we know for sure? ). Kepler created his laws to fit the heliocentric model, yes. But he did not neglect the concept of the moon; his laws apply to them too. I understand that we can't simply put our trust in scientists, but to some degree we can. That is what they do, and it would be fascinating, and in my opinion extremely unlikely, that they have simply forgotten these arguments for years on years. This does not show the heliocentric model faulty, as you state, and therefore does not leave the geocentric model true. As I recall, the simplest explanation is not always correct. Even if it is more likely that the geocentric model explains the Moon's orbit (which I still don't see how it does), I fail to understand why that means the simplest model is correct. As you have stated previously, there is plenty we don't know about. Perhaps the Moon's orbit is one of them. To recap the points argued in the debate: Parallax Retrograde Motion Motion of Planets Time Lapse Photos Position of Polaris Moon's Orbit Aether Arguments Other Galaxies I appreciate this debate. Definitely one of the better mannered and argued ones I've seen on the site (in my opinion).