To reopen debate about credibility of scientific community with Patrick Henry

Man oh man I have been living in denial. Not about man causing global warming but the most basic of all things ever studied by man. I have found irrefutable evidence that the earth is "FLAT!!" That will be my next debate topic because there is considerable evidence to prove it!! Thanks for mentioning Flat earthers to me. Tatarize, if you are convinced that the earth is round, you are living in complete denial. Do you find that last paragraph absolutely condescending and insulting to your intelligence? I hope you do. You know why. Because every piece of evidence that I would give you will automatically be dismissed by you with out so much as even trying to provide some kind of information as to why it is flawed. You send me to links where it's already a forgone conclusion that global warming is caused by man. There are absolutely no comparisons of data and research interpretations that explain why one interpretation of the data is better than the other. Thus far you are doing a very poor job of convincing me that global warming is caused by man, and I think I speak for most other deniers in this world. You don't want to "prove" to me that global warming is caused by man, you want to "convince" me that global warming is caused by man at any cost no matter how flawed, inconclusive or false the available data and research interpretations may or may not be. That is what the news media, politicians and political activists are doing right now in my opinion. I could convince you of just about anything if I fed you enough misleading information had enough people lie for me and not allow any of my information to be disputed in an open forum by anyone. On to the first sentence of your rebuttal in the last round. HMMMM, I wonder--------- No, I won't comment on it, I'll let the viewers and voters do that. Is Co2 a green house gas? Well of course it is, all gases are green house gasses if you open the door and let all the rest of them come in. We all live on a planet, not in a green house that is being monitored to allow only Co2 in. We are releasing "Massive amounts of Co2 into the atmosphere. Compared to what? The total number of green house gasses? Water vapor represents 95% of all green house gasses. I checked on that figure and could not find a single piece of evidence to suggest otherwise. If you factor in all the other forms of gasses that the planet produces, it's quite minuscule. From 1 and 2 we predict Co2 will cause warming. Whose we? Don't include me in that prediction. I wouldn't bet my farm on that prediction. Considering the prediction rate for scientists, who make long term predictions on climate change, being an absolute 0 success rate to date, I wouldn't bet your farm on it. Temperatures have risen and fallen for millions of years. Make a computer model that only allows Co2 to be the green house gas and omit water vapor from the computer model algorithm and wahla, you have a long term computer model predicting long term global warming. Add water vapor to the equation and you will be in for a big surprise. The first link you provided me with has an article about an ice pack that has a crack in it. O.K. there's a crack in it, so what. It proves nothing. Ice packs have been cracking for millions of years, that's what they do. I checked to see if ice packs have cracked before and could find no evidence to suggest other wise. The rest of the site is geared towards children and how to educate them on what they can do to save the planet. That must explain the 101 title. This site has already made it a forgone conclusion that man is the cause of global warming and does nothing to convince me otherwise. Thirdly, the man who is responsible for this site is an arctic explorer and environmental activist who gets his funding from the IPCC . I gave you a chance to explain away all of the remarks made about the IPCC's credibility problems but I'm guessing you don't even know what I'm talking about because you didn't even bother to read the link I gave you about the IPCC. The IPCC is going to become a big thorn in your side and your argument as I continue, because it is the primary source for all data and research that is reported to the public about global warming. The second site was a good site to conduct research from and gave some very convincing arguments. As I read through it and visited the many other links, the IPCC is the mentioned hundreds of times in all of the reports. But what really put the icing on the cake was a link that took me to computer modals and how they are used and the controls that are used to generate long term global warming predictions. The vast majority of computer modals used by the IPCC are modals that omit water vapor from their computer modal research. Why would anyone run a computer modal on climate change and leave out the one gas that represents 95% of all the green house gasses? The IPCC knowing and purposely leave out data and research that would suggest that man has little or nothing to do with global warming. Co2 is not the only gas that is emitted when fossil fuels are burned as you would lead us to believe in your argument. New improvements in technology and new data in the past couple of years have required researchers to abandon all of the previous computer modals that are still being used as evidence by the IPCC. A final closing excerpt: NASA administrator Michael Griffin continues to draw the ire of preeminent climate scientists inside and outside of NASA, as well as members of Congress, after apparently downplaying the need to combat global warming. In an interview broadcast yesterday on National Public Radio's "Morning Edition" program, Griffin was asked by NPR's Steve Inskeep whether he is concerned about global warming "I have no doubt that a trend of global warming exists," Griffin told Inskeep. "I am not sure that it is fair to say that it is a problem we must wrestle with." "To assume that it is a problem is to assume that the state of Earth's climate today is the optimal climate, the best climate that we could have or ever have had and that we need to take steps to make sure that it doesn't change," Griffin said. "I guess I would ask which human beings — where and when — are to be accorded the privilege of deciding that this particular climate that we have right here today, right now is the best climate for all other human beings. I think that's a rather arrogant position for people to take."