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Prenuptial agreements are either too lovely or not as lovely as they appear

Looking for words to use in this argument, we have not been able to find the perfect one, however I have found some words that are pretty close to the concept I want to get to: cynism, blindness, incredulity, unreliable, subjective, economical, conflict and unfairness...A combination of these words can merge what we find to describe prenuptial agreements. The fact that the prenuptial agreements exist is so laughable that the TV show "The Simpsons" couldn't have left this issue behind and created episode 213 recalling a close resemblance. During that episode, Ned and Homer go to Las Vegas and after a night of alcohol, they wake up with the surprise that they have new wives that are interested in nothing but money. This episode became an Emmy nominee[[http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0778932.html]] and then this wives would appear in a later show (Episode 276) claiming their marriage obligations. They were finally terminated off-courts (in a tabern, in fact) and were turned over by other tools...But this is closer to us than what we think. This satirizing TV show is the clear reflection of how prenuptial agreements work: Blindness. Either because of drugs, alcohol or mainly, love. As Sidney D. Craig Loving says, "feelings produce loving behavior"[[http://www.naturalchild.org/sidney_craig/feelings.html]]. This is directly related to our motion as most of the prenuptial agreements are taken on a moment of maximum love by the couple, since they are about to marry and think they have found the love of their lives. Maybe some months later you will notice the man or woman you married was not up to your expectations and you have to divorce him but at the moment of a prenup you won't know so, because love will drive your decisions; decisions that you will regret. Prenuptial agreements are contracts that are made to never be used, since it is never the objective of couples to marry just to divorce and so, they are not totally serious and take some aspects too lightly. In any other case that one of the couple wants to marry just to create a prenup and divorce, then that is not even love and he/she just wants to take advantage from this unfair tool and abuse of the other member. We will adress this point later. When you are in love you don't have the same perception and that gives the same effect of you not being under your full faculties, which is obviously, not able to take decisions. Either because love controls the behavior or people try to gain advantage from prenuptial agreements is that this contracts are unfair and in the other way, the courts are objective and analytical, that prenuptial agreements should not be recognised in divorce courts.
Rebuttal to the rebuttal of the point ''Pre-nuptial agreements reduce trauma associated with the divorce''

We think that it is important for any legal framework to lighten the emotional damage of the people involved in court cases. If people who get married want to minimize the harm done to their children if they ever have to divorce and go to court, then they should have that right. They're saying children are only traumatized by decisions that affect child custody. It is quite obvious that all protracted court battles between parents are emotionally traumatic to the children. But furthermore, when parents are engaged in a vicious battle over assets, it's far more likely that they'll take vindictive measures during child custody battles. This means that they are less likely to take into consideration the child's need for a peaceful resolution and more likely to desire to rip their partner apart in court. We think that compulsory classes for divorcing people are a great idea for people who don't decide to agree on a pre-nup beforehand. We however question they're effectiveness over pre-nuptial agreements. There's two possibilities when a pre-nuptial agreement is taken into account: 1. Both partners are happy with what they agreed on in the past. 2. Either one partner or both are unhappy with the pre-nup. In the first case there's no problem for anybody and everybody ends up as happy as they can be in such a situation. In the second case we think that people will still take comfort from the fact that it was THEIR OWN decision (if it wasn't their own decision, if the decision was made under duress etc., then the pre-nup can be voided in court) and thus have a far greater chance of emotional recovery. Also, we're not suggesting compulsory pre-nuptial agreement. In fact in essence the proposition is proposing a compulsory pre-nuptial agreement by the State. Every marriage has a ''compulsory pre-nuptial agreement'' (because it's a contract, and every contract has to have terms on how it ends)-- the question in this debate is whether it should be the State's or agreed on by the individuals. And finally they didn't respond to an important part to the argument, that decisions and settlements in court are far more prone to duress and can thus be considered less valid than pre-nuptial agreements that are made with a clear head.
Prenuptial agreements: The integral case

Since the opposition responded our points with small and vague points, then we will merge all of their points being explained in one integral case: Ours. This is what prenuptial agreements can do: We have a well-paid man that marries a low-paid wife. They both swear love to each other and say they will never divorce but anyway, they make their prenuptial agreement "just in case". They decide it is fair for each of them to have separate goods of those axquired before marriage but that during marriage, they should split the goods in half and half. They also decide that the man remains with child custody (since he is the one that studied and that has a better income) will receive money from the other party to cover the expenses. They swear they will help each other out and a third party or an attorney does not find anything out of the terms. The couple marry and their prenuptial agreement is official. But after certain time, the husband decided he won't work anymore since he has a financial security with his prenuptial (opposition point 2) and he uses that tool to earn income. Now, the wife decides the husband should work but as he is not doing so, it is unfair to share the income earned during marriage 50/50 and so, according to the opposition, she has the option to ammend the agreement...But the opposition undermined the fact that for this to apply, the ammendments have to be agreed by both parties and so, in this case the husband does not agree and so, he continues to be a leecher. Fair, right? Now, the wife has two options: Either to continue this marriage and mantain a useless husband or to divorce and lose 50% of her income. Why? Because she's chained to a prenuptial agreement. Then she learns that the husband has another lover and has a child with her...The wife cannot stand it anymore and decides to stop that hell. She finally decides to divorce. They go into the court and the courts respect the prenuptial agreement and so, she has to share her earnings that are barely enough to survive with a useless cheater, and since he gains custody of the children (as decided on the "right to choose" in their prenuptial agreements), she has to cover the children expenses too but not even gaining custody. Read again: She has to give half of her hardly earned money to the man that cheated her and decide never to work or help with domestic work. That's ridiculous. In the other case, when prenuptial agreements are discarded, the court could decide that both parties retain their goods before marriage but the income divided proportionally to who earned it (in this case all for the former wife) and she would cover the expenses of the children. but also gaining custody of them and receiving any alimony from the former husband when he cna (he will eventually have to find a job, since he weon't be able to suck from the woman). The opposition says that we should not take the right of choosing the future of the people's assests, but is it right to give the option of leeching and abusing of someone else? Surely not, and that is what prenuptial agreements present and so, this house must propose the motion.
Pre-nuptial agreements conditions differ from future reality

Marriage is not quantum physics. There have been plenty of cases of divorce to set a working, fair benchmark to judge pre-nups by. One does not need knowledge of the future to draft a contract, that lays out the basics of a division of wealth, however big or small that wealth may be. The basic logic behind the proposition is that in different periods of time people value different things and that the value of things also changes over time. That is not an argument for not recognizing pre-nuptial ( or any ) agreements in the court. These agreements are created exactly because the future is uncertain. Pre-nuptial agreements are a sort of insurance policy. Insurance policies are created because the future is uncertain. Analogously, if one insures his or her house and then the house burns down, then the insurance company, who should pay the insurance of the house can not argue that the insurance policy is invalid because they didn't know that the house will burn down. We would even go as so far as to argue that all of the decisions we make in life we make under the uncertainty about the future. These decisions may sometimes be wrong by objective standards, but they remain our decisions and they reflect what we consider to be right for us. Pre-nup is a contract that reflects the consensus of the couple on what is fair, both parties need to agree for the contract to hold. Because of that pre-nups are fairer to both parties, as it considers the individual preferences and needs of the couple much more so than a court decision ever can. If, for instance, one spouse will inherit property from their parents, it would be fair to agree that the property should not be divided equally. Furthermore, pre-nups can always be and often are also altered during the marriage to reflect the changing dynamic of the couple and their values, needs etc [[Can A Prenuptial Agreement Be Modified After Marriage? http://resources.lawinfo.com/cobrand/en/Legal-FAQs/Prenuptial-Agreements/Federal/can-a-prenuptial-agreement-be-modified-after.html?site=6abc%5D%5D . This insures that the pre-nup accurately reflects the situation the couple is in and provides a fairer division of wealth that any court can because the parties in a marriage have more information and a better notion what is fair for them.
Rebuttal to the rebuttal of the point ''Marriage vs an informal partnership''

This is not only off-topic but not is also seems (as it is) a point with any factual basis, but a suposition that some couples "strongly disagree with the State" and so, that reduces the amount of marriages. However it is rather ridiculous to think that prenuptial agreements and the state law reduce the amount of civil marriages. It has always been like that and so, there is no way the civil law can reduce or foster the amount marriages as so could compulsory prenuptial agreements (which are not the case of the motion, though). There is simply no proof that there are people against laws on marriage...Written in their own Constitutions! And there is no proof that the States that do not recognize prenuptial agreements have had a decrease on the amount of civil marriages.
Rebuttal to the rebuttal of the point ''Marriage vs an informal partnership''

This debate IS about informal partnerships if a State based system forces some people into unrecognized partnerships. We see a larger harm here. Through this motion what the State effectively is signalling to people who don't agree with the State on asset division after marriage (and certain other matters), is that if they don't abide by the State's definition of how these matters should be settled during divorce, then they're not married and shouldn't be married at all. What the State is saying: ''If you don't believe in 50/50 splits then you're not a marriage.'' This denies couples who strongly disagree with the State on that matter the right to a State marriage, it prevents them from being recognized as married. Given that there is much more to marriage than the division of assets after marriage, it's an unfair imposition on the part of the State. It certainly is a harm, when fulfilling partnerships cannot have the societal recognition and respect that is associated with marriage, only because they have a different opinion from that of the State on how their property should be divided after marriage.
Pre-nuptial agreements reduce trauma associated with divorce

Another point that is nott directly related to the motion and wants to defend by leaving the topic itself... The reason that causes a post divorce trauma is to see parents argue in front of the children among other factors[[http://www.divorcesource.com/CA/ARTICLES/diener1.html]], not to have or not to have a prenuptial agreement that overlooks wealth and estate. Children will always receive alimony and that is the only economical factor that could be important for them. In a case where prenuptial agreements could see for alimony of the children, then we could have cases where they may not receive it at all, since it was the responsibility of the father and guess what? It turned out that the one who worked was the mother and the father has no income at all. That would be traumatic. Reducing a trauma does not have to do with a legal dispute over what prenuptial agreements can look into but other considerations like an effective attorney communication [[http://www.divorcenet.com/states/missouri/reducing_trauma_and_expense_of_divorce]] (the one that will not let you leave anything just to end the case quickly). Some measures have been taken to reduce divorce trauma on children and they have been effective. In New York, ''The court system's new matrimonial program shifts the focus from winning and losing in these cases to humane resolution,' and this measure is based on compulsory classes for parents that are on a divorce processes [[http://www.nytimes.com/1998/12/10/nyregion/changes-in-state-divorce-law-seek-to-reduce-child-trauma.html]], not on compulsory pernuptial agreements, which do not have a direct impact on a post divorce trauma, as the divorce itself does.
Pre-nuptial agreements constitutes a serious chance of abuse

This argument does not make sense because the proposition is trying to claim two conflicting ideas simultaneously. If the richer half has more power to shape the contract to his/her liking, how will the poorer half be able to "get his/her hands on the fortune"? The risks involved in pre-nuptial agreements can be countered if both parties get independent legal advice. This will ensure that both will be fully aware and conscious of the decision their making. From that point on their decision to enter into an agreement is the matter of their own free will. For example I am allowed to give away all of my money to a charity or just a stranger on the street, if I am conscious of what I am doing. The state can never objectively decide what is best for every individual, thus it should not aim to unnecessarily interfere in his decisions. The notion of what is best in the event of the marriage ending is subjective. Some may feel that the process of divorce is so torturous, that they would be willing to have a smaller share of the assets, only to avoid the process through a pre-nuptial agreement. In the current situation these people have the right to decide what is best for them. We think they should retain this right.
Rebuttal to the rebuttal of the point ''Pre-nuptial agreements increase security''

We believe there was a misunderstanding, the opposition mentioned that we didn't see the entire merit of their argument, let us correct this statement: We see no meirt at all. Despite that we mentioned in our rebuttal to their argument (as well as through all of the debate) that the essence of this discussion is the abiding fight for the outcoming of justice among everything else in relation with the topic, the other team insists that this is no worth arguing, and in the three coutner points that they state in their text they make no mention of it. Having said this last sentece it is not neccessary to mention that in all of their rebuttal they fail to weaken our posture, they may have repeated for third or fourth time that divorcing may brign benefits, but they failed to make the connection between this and the recongnition of pre-nups in divorce courts. C'mon, they didn't expect us to take the "State should accept pre-nups because they are good" seirously, didn't them? The confusing lines about the attractive of pre-nups for new couples just doesn't make sense, first of all because they are no taking into cionsideration any of the objections that we've stated during this debate arguing why pre-nups represent a high risk of abuse and that it is actually unfair, in toher words they are assuming wihtou reason that everything is going to be all right and have a happy ending, would we be disscussing this topic if that was attached to reality? And secondly because the fact of pre-nups being demonstrated to be actionable would also bring more abuse, given that they constitute a warantee that persons will get wat is stablished,which at a time and as we like to mention, is unfair. Now, on the second counter point, we would like to suggest that for further debates the opposition team tried not just to argue, but to reason the motives for aguing it. They never said why should the minimisation of damage should be taken as basis of the divorce law, but most important divorce being a process between to individuals married and this previos point? We guess it may be just “irrelevant” The tirad confussing point its just the same, we can’t find its importance, and one more we would like to apply our point because it actually happening and is the motive for us being debating for three days about it: It is the distrust and lack of deals between the couple which requires the intervention of the court for making a fair distribution of the assets. (We hope that the opposition notices that we are referring to a process in which pre-nups are involved). Concluding, if the opposition wants to contribute to the development of this discusión we strongly suggest to take matters more seriously, and of course suggest that if the oppossition still thinks that this debate has nothing to do with justice then they might want to change their strategy.
Pre-nuptial agreements reduce trauma associated with divorce

A contract that clearly determines the division of wealth and other matters shortens and simplifies the divorce process. The constant bickering over who gets what is a great emotional damage that can be countered by pre-nups. During a divorce process where a pre-nup is considered the parties get what they agreed on. Their tension and anger towards each other is minimized and they can go their separate ways in a more humane and civilized way. This is especially important to couples with children. Children suffer greatly during divorce procedures as they dehumanize former partners and turn them against each other. When relations spoil to that extent children get the greatest share of emotional trauma. We don't think that anybody should suffer to that extent and this is why people should be allowed to counter this sort of damage by entering into pre-nups. Lengthy divorce battles may not always produce fair outcomes. The person who is more prone stress, will at some point no doubt feel that s/he will do whatever only to end the nightmare of courts. This may entice him to give ground on certain matters, for example relinquish some of his property, only to reach a settlement faster. This outcome may not be fair, because the person is acting under the duress. Pre-nuptial agreements present a fairer distribution of resources, because they have been signed voluntarily by both parties without pressure.
Banning pre-nuptial agreements actively harms some marriages.

If you want to call it "State imposition", then call it "State imposition". There is no problem at all, since this proposal of ours is just another measure for the well being of the citizens, on the same way that governments can impose speed limits, obligation to expedit a birth act and so on. On their example of the old man and the young woman. First of all, why should age matter? Hugh Hefner has various Playmates and no one is angered at all! The case they are setting is first, too difficult to happen and second, goes into further supposition once again. If some people would see the woman as a gold digger, then why should she care if she supposedly loves the man? If she really loves him, then that would have no effect at all, so their point is very weak. The opposition says not having prenuptial agreements degrades marriage, however it is the contrary. Prenuptial agreements are against what marriage stands for, that is "union until the last of the days", and having a document t see for divorce is just opening the possibility of violating what marriage stands for and so, open the door for explotation and there, mine gold. "Gold digging" is more possible (and the proposition has already demonstrated how prenups constitute a serious opportunity for abuse) under prenuptial agreements, and we will give you one example...Of Hugh Hefner, now that we have recalled him. It results that after 10 years of marriage, Hefner's wife and former "Playmate of the Year" Kimberly Conrad decided to divorce after revising their prenuptial agreement would benefit her economically in 1999. Since then she has made millions of dollars (she sold an estate that once belonged to Hefner for $USD 10 million in July)[[http://www.divorcemag.com/news/hugh-hefner-playboy-divorce-playmate-of-the-year.shtml]]. Why? Because she has been mining gold out of Hefner with a prenuptial agreements Now she has filed suit to arrange further problems out of the prenuptial agreements...Ten years after their divorce! This doesn't just show that prenuptial agreements are not only slow, regretful ad unfair. Ladies and gentlemen, the case that stands for fairness and is against economical abuse can be read on the left side of this page.