God is NOT Pro-Life

"The point of this debate is to prove simply that the God of the Holy Bible kills and or allows the killing of unborn children of women for the purpose of punishment. To which we will call Holy abortion." Well, he does, but from the rest of R1, it seems obvious that Pro does not intend to "simply" prove God uses the death of the unborn as punishment. Pro adds to this simple argument other burdens for him to prove, such as the hypocrisy of God in killing the unborn, and the moral illogic of Christians taking a moral position when God doesn't follow that same rule. For this argument my opponent and I will be assuming the God of the Bible exists, and that the record of his character and actions are accurate in the Bible. I do not see how we can go forward with the debate otherwise. A quick note: +My opponent points out a portion of the account of King Menahem as if it were an action approved or ignored by God. If you read a few verses further, you can see it was not an action sanctioned by God, and explicitly called out as evil, and included in the Bible to this day as such. (17-18) "In the thirty-ninth year of Azariah king of Judah, Menahem son of Gadi became king of Israel, and he reigned in Samaria ten years. 18"He did evil in the eyes of the Lord. During his entire reign he did not turn away from the sins of Jeroboam son of Nebat, which he had caused Israel to commit." Actions like these are the very reasons judgments was brought upon Israel, as violence and the ways of Jeroboam son of Nebat are constantly cited as evil. Now some historical context to Pro's biblical quotes: +I will briefly explain the context of Hosea. Israel has fallen into sin mirroring and "improving" upon the sins of the Cannanites driven out before them. They were warned not to do this hundreds of years earlier: Leviticus 20:1 The Lord said to Moses, 2""Say to the Israelites: "Any Israelite or any foreigner residing in Israel who sacrifices any of his children to Molek (a local pagan deity) is to be put to death. The members of the community are to stone him. 3"I myself will set my face against him and will cut him off from his people; for by sacrificing his children to Molek, he has defiled my sanctuary and profaned my holy name. 4"If the members of the community close their eyes when that man sacrifices one of his children to Molek and if they fail to put him to death, 5"I myself will set my face against him and his family and will cut them off from their people together with all who follow him in prostituting themselves to Molek." In 2nd Chronicles 33 King Manassah: He sacrificed his children in the fire in the Valley of Ben Hinnom, practiced divination and witchcraft, sought omens, and consulted mediums and spiritists. He did much evil in the eyes of the Lord, arousing his anger. The prophets Isaiah (57:5) and Ezekiel (16:20-21) also testify to these practices at various times in the nations" history (Israel and Judah). ""20 And you took your sons and daughters whom you bore to me and sacrificed them as food to the idols. Was your prostitution not enough? 21"You slaughtered my children and sacrificed them to the idols." Now I"d like to cut through to the meat of the matter: Why does God kill so much, especially the very young, and command us not to? Doesn"t that make God hypocritical? No. First off, God is not like an elected leader that we are accustomed to, who arises from our own number and is expected to follow the rules he legislates or passes. He is God, the creator, owner and sustainer of the Universe. He made the rules for Israel, but he is not expected to make sacrifices or pay the temple tax, or anything else under the law, because he is above the law. Furthermore, he would be totally justified if he snuffed out the life of everyone everywhere before the end of this debate. We"re all going to be snuffed out anyway, it just normally takes a few decades, and for many of us will not be pleasant. In Genesis 1:16-17 God commands Adam not to eat from the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil "for when you eat from it you will certainly die." This was literal spiritual death that leads to literal physical death. "The wages of sin is death" (Romans 6:23). Jesus told a disciple he was recruiting "let the dead bury their own dead," when he requested to delay his recruitment to bury his parents. (Matt. 8:22) My point is, we"re all as good as dead, but God is patient in allowing us time to repent, but if he had no patience on someone, he"d be totally justified to do so, because patience with sin is not required of him. It"s just very kind of him to be that way. Romans 9:14-29 What then shall we say? Is God unjust? Not at all! 15"For he says to Moses, "I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, """"and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion." 16"It does not, therefore, depend on human desire or effort, but on God"s mercy. 17"For Scripture says to Pharaoh: "I raised you up for this very purpose, that I might display my power in you and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth." 18"Therefore God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy, and he hardens whom he wants to harden. 19"One of you will say to me: "Then why does God still blame us? For who is able to resist his will?" 20"But who are you, a human being, to talk back to God? "Shall what is formed say to the one who formed it, "Why did you make me like this?"" 21"Does not the potter have the right to make out of the same lump of clay some pottery for special purposes and some for common use? 22"What if God, although choosing to show his wrath and make his power known, bore with great patience the objects of his wrath"prepared for destruction? 23"What if he did this to make the riches of his glory known to the objects of his mercy, whom he prepared in advance for glory" 24"even us, whom he also called, not only from the Jews but also from the Gentiles?" As judge of the all mankind, God has the authority to make rules for us that do not apply to him. Your parents had the authority to set a curfew for you, but didn't have to follow the curfew themselves. This doesn't make them hypocrites. My opponent's argument is invalid. It assumes God must follow rules he set specifically for only humans. It assumes God has no right to the lives of people, even though he owns all humanity and all of us will die eventually because of sin judged by His standard, not ours.