Child birth should be considered immoral

Suffering Is BadMy opponent makes the case that suffering is bad. The problem is that one can run a parallel type argument, so she hasn't really proven anything. Take the section directly below:Happiness And Pleasure Are Good Happiness and pleasure , in their self, are good things. This can be determined by simply asking any sentient, rational being the question: "in a world where there is only happiness and pleasure versus a world with only and non-happiness and non-pleasure, which would you prefer?" Some may argue that happiness and pleasure can be bad if it means to weaken character, or if to be happy or pleasureful less is actually bad in the long-run. However, without any kind of context, with this dichotomy, we can determine that every rational being would pick happiness and pleasure over non-happiness and non-pleasure. Thus, happiness and pleasure are generally good. ---My opponents "Suffering Is Bad" section is completely matched with my "Happiness And Pleasure" section. Life Is Discomfort Pro mentions situations where people have to go through terrible hardships to finally get to that happiness or pleasure. However, just because there are instances where that is the case, that doesn't mean it is the case most of the time. I am happy engaging in this debate with you, and I didn't have to go through any hardships to achieve this happiness. I am happy to eat a meal. I had to work to do it, but work keeps me busy, I don't mind that much (most people don't either, or else they would all kill themselves instead of going to work). Just sitting on my bed doing nothing as long as it means that I am not suffering or dying seems to be good to some extent. I will concede that there are discomforts in life. I don't think anyone denies that. Pro simply hasn't proven that there is enough of it, in general, to warrant acceptance of the resolution. Your Life Is Far Worse Than You Probably RecogniseMy opponent just lists a bunch of bad scenarios, and argues that certain phrases such as "Oh well, that's life!" are coping mechanisms to convince ourselves that life is not bad. However, one can look at them in another way. These phrases could be viewed as something that is actually true, and not just a tool for delusion. If someone bakes some cookies and burns them, then throws a hissy fit because they are ruined, and someone says "calm down, nobody said life would be perfect"; that seems like a perfectly reasonable response, and not a tool for self-delusion at all. Some people only see the dark side of things, and need to realize that life isn't perfect. It is filled with horrible and terrible things. I even tried to commit suicide when I was a teenager due to the constant bullying. I am glad I didn't though, because these feelings are temporary. I may stub my toe, and it hurts for a few seconds. However, most of the day I am perfectly fine. For the most part life is good. I will concede that human life, naturally without the aid of human invention is bad. A long time ago, we only lived to be about 25. Most of us died of teeth problems, and most mothers died in childbirth. However, with modern food and medicine, life has seemed to make a shift. Since the debate is in the present tense; I think most people would agree that life is worth living. If life is so bad, then why is the suicide rate so low compared to the amount of people that want to live? This makes no sense. The fact my opponent hasn't killed herself presupposes that her life is good and worth living. If not, why not take a load of pills and end it? Life Isn't Always Worth LivingNot always, sure. However, nothing is 100%, all the time. It is not always wrong to steal, or always wrong to kill, or torture if necessary. However, those things aren't considered moral in general. Thus, my opponent hasn't really proven her case in context with this section. ConclusionMy opponent hasn't provided any convincing arguments. Suffering is bad, but happiness and pleasure are good. One cannot experience happiness or pleasure without being born. How can giving birth be bad, or immoral? Pro would have to show that the suffering of life overall trumps the happiness, hope, or pleasure of life over all. This seems like a hard task to do. Why? My opponent talks about what most "rational beings" would do. However, if you ask most rational beings they would ask to live! It is mostly people with with depression and mental issues who weren't thinking straight would think life is bad and want to end it. Even people starving in Africa do not think life is bad enough to commit mass suicide with regards to the starving. Therefore, if my opponent wants to make the "most rational beings would say X, therefore, X is true" argument, then it can be used to show that life is generally good. This is presupposed by the fact that only 1,000,000 people worldwide commit suicide each year [http://www.medicalnewstoday.com...] and virtually all of them suffered depression, or some other mental issues (they weren't thinking rationally). There are 7,000,000, 000 on this planet. This means, that last year, 6,999,000,000 didn't chose non-life over life, while the measly 1,000,000 that due weren't rational thinkers and probably suffered depression. Is virtually all of the world population irrational? What makes Pro so rational? I don't have to prove the resolution false. All I have to do is undermine my opponent's arguments. I have done that.