Fascism is the best system of governance

False. It wasn't that the previous establishment didn't care, they were just occupied with preparations for the war (WW1). And the advancement of welfare wasn't obtained by an ideal, they (Germans) simply defied the Treaty of Versailles heavy fines, which allowed the Germans to use their remaining capital (land, factories, tranportations, trained professors, educational facilities, etc) to slowly, but surely, boost their economy in order to pay off certain fees. Keep in mind that German soil was never bombed, it was the lack of resources that made them submit. I fear I must remind my opponent that the two world wars were not fought back to back. There was period of 21 years between the end of one and the start of the other. So the previous establishment were not occupied with preparations for world war 1. The establishment prior to the Nazis was a democratic one, who were bound by the Treaty of Versailles AS A RESULT of WW1. My point is that they agreed to be bound, since they had no ideals, no pride in their nation, no thought of unity between their countrymen, no particular desire to be an active government who looks after its citizens and puts them first. National Socialism however, did. It was very nationalistic. They said we are Germans and we are proud to be German. It said since we are all Germans together, we look after one another and of the Germanic people as a whole and we strive to become a nation of supermen. How noble! How uncommon! How right! Regards the 3 sentences you didn't understand. I said that advancing the welfare of the citizenry doesn't happen in democratic countries. People are allowed to get fat if they so wish, they are allowed to become a malign influence, the government and local councils don't particularly care if the infrastructure is optimal so long as it is enough to get by. Contrast that with a National Socialist government where the country runs supremely smoothly and on time, the nation is fit, healthy and happy and the government is not only always going about ways to make the lives of their people better, but also to make the people better too. In such a country, money is used for the attainment of ideals, rather than the ideal being the attainment of money. Braun was an enthusiastic nazi. Of course, in hindsight it would be impossible for him to retain his ideals in public, but he joined the party and was in the inner echelons. After the war, the US poached many nazi minds for themselves and look what the US became. They went to space, they put men on the moon, they designed and still design most of the worlds most advanced weaponry and technology. Such advancements would not be possible unless there was an attitude of advancement underpinning such endeavours. And THAT was the raison d'"tre of National Socialist Germany. Out of such a atmosphere came plenty of brilliance. It simply did take all of the allies to defeat Nazi Germany. Of course there were other countries involved in the Axis Powers, but they were merely a supporting cast, a sidekick -Germany was the main protagonist. On the side of the Allies however, you had 3 global superpowers and numerous other advanced nations all fighting the Nazis.. That's not to denigrate the war in the pacific or anything, but it just illustrates the original point of how formidable the German Forces were. I believe that fact is undisputed anywhere in the world by anyone. They were like nothing before or since. Occupied civilians. I never said occupied civilians did support the Nazis. I said the Nazis were passionate about their own people and the society that they lived in. If I were a teacher, I would rather remove the disruptive pupil from my classroom for the sake of the other children than allow him a free hand to disrupt, interrupt and corrupt. And so it stands that it is morally ok to remove persons from society who seek to sow dissent against your rule and undermine the foundations you have been laying for the benefit of those in your charge. That is why the free press should be abolished and why it is ok to imprison political adversaries. The more time you spend combating their insidious influence on your citizens,the less time you have to spend ensuring their advancement. Such influences should be dealt with swiftly and appropriately. Regards your last paragraph. That only serves to support the point that Fascism, and particularly National Socialism is the best system of government there is. I don't feel the need to refute any of itsincethose are the very reasons why Nazism is superior.