If God does not exist, then there is no moral law.

"First of all, God creates moral law" He doesn't create moral law, though. Because there is no moral law. There is no set of rules telling us as humans what we can and can't do. We just have our own PERSONAL PRINCIPLES that WE follow because WE feel as though it is right. " If he forced us to follow the law, then free will would not exist which would contradict the Bible." God does force us to follow it though. That's why all humanity is threatened with an eternity of Hell if they fail to comply and free will doesn't exist with God although that is a completely different debate.# "You are saying murder can be right and wrong at different time periods" I never said that. You misinterpreted me. Murder is never right nor wrong - it's just how (for the hundredth time) the majority perceive it. Nothing is right or wrong technically - it's just how the majority perceive it. Morals are our own PERSONAL PRINCIPLES that we follow. Things only become morally/generally acceptable because the majority perceive it to be. Murder isn't right or wrong technically - you and I believe it is wrong so in our moral values it is wrong and, as most of society believes it's wrong then it is generally not accepted. Morals are a person's own opinion - there is no moral law because that would imply that there is a 100% right or wrong when there isn't as a moral is someone's personal opinion. "If we are just products of evolution, what reason do we have to be moral? Why is murder wrong? Evolution is survival of the fittest, so why then would murder be considered wrong? If the majority thinks it's wrong, why do they think it is wrong? What reason is there to think that murder is wrong?" Why do I get the feeling you're ignoring my main arguments? As I already said, humans are compassionate creatures and, because of it, our ancestors would see something being unnecessarily killed (murder) and would tell us it's wrong. Over time those values passed down families and eventually to the current generation where we all currently believe it's wrong. I'm assuming you're Christian because the rest of your family is and that they brought you up as a Christian (forgive me if I'm wrong). In a similar way the rest of my family believes murder is wrong as well and they brought me up and I ended up believing it's wrong, too. See the correlation? My dad told me murder is wrong because his dad told him and his dad told his and it goes on and on. All humans are indoctrinated from the moment we're born - by your parents, peers etc. My parents indoctrinated me into thinking murder is wrong and I developed a moral point of view. Most people's parents indoctrinated them into thinking that murder is wrong, hence their moral point of view. That is how the general moral point of view is formed - not because God said so. People disagreed with murder long before God showed Himself a few thousand years ago. "Without a God in the equation, you have to accept the fact that moral law does not exist." Either way, moral law doesn't exist. I've explained how: In conclusion, there is no 100% right or wrong moral law and if it is, then it is set out in a way that can easily get misinterpreted or in a way as though it appears it doesn't exist. (Most) human beings, being compassionate creatures, have developed the moral point of view that murder is wrong where as few have been taught by their not-so-compassionate ancestors that murder is right. However, the majority of people perceive murder to be wrong and generally it is unacceptable. It hasn't always been like that, henceforth murder hasn't always been totally unacceptable in society. But morals are simply our own personal opinions/principles - not something God tells us. Thanks for this debate, I've really enjoyed it!