Jesus Is God

Did you read my post or just decide on your argument in advance? One of the things that once made me a very good litigator (I moved on to greater challenges) is that I followed this logic: "God gave us two ears and one mouth " obviously, He wanted us to listen twice and much as we talk." In my last post, I corrected you when I used the Bible verse that you just mentioned showing that Jesus is NOT all knowing. I also explained why, the fact that Jesus is God and Jesus is not all-knowing does not mean that God is not all knowing. It is complicated, so I will just point you to my first post. I will take the opportunity to note that the Bible is not really "a book," but instead is a collection of books. This is an important distinction because some of these "books" are considered more holy than others. Furthermore, different denominations or branches of Christianity have different books included within their Bibles" Before I go further, I will note that I mistakenly assumed that you were either agnostic or atheist. I do like to put out that there is logic within Christianity that is not easily apparent to these non-believers. Had I known you were a member of one of the religions descended from Abraham, I would not have accepted the challenge, as it seems a waste to argue with a member of a religion that believes Christians can go to heaven while at the same time said religion is one that I believe (Islam) can lead to heaven. See my blog post at http://www.christthinker.org... for why I don"t like "Nitpicking Church Dogma." Now, the challenge having been accepted, I will continue. I scanned the rest of your list of Bible verses that you use to provide that Jesus is not God. These passages are uses without other passages that clarify them " within the Old Testament as well as the New Testament. In short, these passages are taken out of context. In the past, I noticed that that when opposing counsel cited a very long list of cases, they were often hiding something. A quick cite-check would often show cases that distinguished the matter at hand, or actually overruled the other cases. While I do not think you are trying to hide anything, I do think you googled a quick list without closely considering the matter. I will do the same, but will just cite the list by URL. See http://www.openbible.info... for a list of verses related to Jesus being God. I scanned these verses and I believe that some of these are also taken out of context, but I wouldn"t want to go through every verse you cited in order to explain each. That would take at least a week! Now, I think we have just confused the readers greatly. I hope, in the next round, you will focus on just a few bits of strong evidence and then try to back up your position with logic. I will do the same. This should give a much more coherent position on both sides. In the paragraph that you start with "as we all know," you make the argument that Jesus is not God because he has no authority of his own. Jesus is God in His human form. Jesus is part of God. Your hands are part of you. It would not be incorrect to say that your hands are you. It would be incorrect to say that your hands are all of you. You are making this jump to the use of "all." Jesus is part of God in that he is one with God. Then, you go further to say that, Jesus didn"t do anything on his own. Again, using the hands analogy, your hands do not do anything without you (I hope not). In the same way, Jesus didn"t do anything without God. Back to the analogy, are your hands not part of you? Are your hands not "one with you?" This is only self-contradictory if you try to look at it from an "earthly" view based upon your day-to-day life. Do you really think the God that created the entire Universe lives in any way as we do in our day-to-day lives. It is very important that we never forget, that we don"t even begin to have the knowledge to completely understand God. In a paragraph above, you said, "we all know," but none of us "know" anything by logic alone; it takes faith when dealing with a concept so far above our human ability to understand, such as God" Instead of trying to win the debate, let"s try to find as much of the truth as we possibly can. Finding the truth in such complex issues is a task unto itself"