Evolutionary science is a metaphysical research programme

Hey Burncastle hope you are well. You made some good arguments and I am really surprised there were no biology quotes for me to get through. Again, I respect you for that. I'll thank you for your comments also, appreciated. Ok I'll rebut a few items, but I won't include your texts here ok. I don't think you will need any text books for this debate I assure you. Sorry, this is when things start going wrong unfortunately. Agreed, nothing is infallible, but good philosophy is a good framework. 1. So are you saying science does now not rely on good philosophy, as I think you are saying. Which in essence is bad. 2. Correct, there are debates because the very purpose of that science is in essence promoting atheism, and that is religion and I will show you why. Fine, Newton is wrong, does it it try to attack the very essence of being human? Scale please, how has that changed my belief in a theistic God? Your refutation is fallacious I'm afraid. Do I believe something if everyone is doing it? No, that's an appeal to popular belief. Theistic evolution is a weak middle ground position to keep some people happy and deluded and non argumentative. You have proved my point entirely, if you don't address the idea of a metaphysical being , you are left with atheistic materialism with Marx philosophy, because that is your starting philosophy. Never heard of that one, conspiracy? Enlighten me on that one. That's my point about terms fella, it means we start arguing the wrong things. I do not believe macro evolution happens, full stop. The evidence amounts to miniscule terms of the total human being, You admit that your mind is physical, right? See argument below. Faith is easy for you, because you want to believe in it so much. I found my faith through using my brain and educating myself. 2. Good science exists out there I'm sure and I have a concept of how it should be done. I know you're not here for that, but there is an awful lot of abuse thrown down by evolutionists. Evolutionary theory, falsifiable. Ok, you set up a theory that states man evolved from a single celled organism. You then go about proving it with research. You take a completely unwarranted worldview in your theory, that is bold to start with, no wonder early evidence was can I say, a little on the dodgy side and put out as true. You have attacked the essence of being a human by taking that view, remember that worldview is pure materialism, you assert therefore that God does not exist full stop and you want too prove that to people. What was the scientific problem to be resolved in the first place? you looked at the whole universe, and said, God does not exist and we don't like the Bible. Weren't they biting off a bit more than they could chew with that? It is not an assertion, it is a well-reasoned claim I make. R3 Logical absolutes, you are denying them by refusing to use them in your argument with yourself for your position. I hope this argument will do something for you: You are an atheistic materialist, and nothing else exists. (you think concepts are based on physical sources) You have an idea of concepts in your mind. You believe it, and say you know and can prove it is a material source. Therefore in your mind, the cause is material and the effect is immaterial. The effect can never be greater than the cause, and the effect can never become the cause of itself. Metaphysical logical truth. Try to prove it wrong. You engage in debate to learn and change people"s views. In your material world view, that is therefore logically impossible. The effect now causing the cause? I think not Therefore you actually believe you can do the logically impossible by typing words on a screen. You therefore think you are in effect a god, even greater than God, because he can"t even do that. That is your religion and more importantly the source of your own atheistic self-delusion. You want me to believe your fallacies by typing words on a screen If I was easily deceived or an illogical person, I might. But I"m not, so don"t try the impossible :-) sorry So, why do you think you can change people"s immaterial minds that are in your opinion only material, without being anywhere around me? Which chemical or element is it? Tell me how in evolutionary terms it works please. If you haven't asked yourself that question, you are not thinking about your beliefs. I know mine because I can think. I love to know the world around me and how it works, and science is great, and there's fantastic clever people doing it well. Evolutionary science as a doctrine is killing all that goodness and making me frustrated. It's not science versus religion, it's atheism versus theism. By promoting it you are destroying the very essence of good science, I assure you. Thanks, and I hope to get your third round rebuttals soon. I will have another argument against your position in the next and to follow up with your religion definition. I will show you why. Thanks and look forward to R