Negative consequences of religion

"Does it occur to you that these events happened, I don't know, during the middle ages?" - Yes, and luckily we aren't quite as brutal anymore. It might have been more bloody in the past, but people still do horrible things today in the name of the God they believe in, like killing Doctors working at abortion clinics, blowing up buildings and killing hundreds, discriminating so horribly that people take their own lives or live a worse life because of the discrimination, religion slows down important research that could save lives and interferes in politics etc. and harming the world in so many ways I could go on for days and give thousands of examples. The good things just don't make up for it, and again, we don't need religion to be good people. "The Crusades were justified, without the Crusades Islam would have spread violently into Europe. Would you much prefer to live in an Islamic world than a Christian world?" - If I had a choice I would pick neither. I would much rather live in a non-religious world, and you do know that the islamic world were once leading the way in medical science and discovered a whole lot, right? It doesn't matter which religion butchered, it's still a religion and I believe that if it had been the islamic world that would have taken over there would be much difference, cause the only thing that makes islam seem more violent today is because the majority of the believers live in a less "evolved" world and the majority of christians live in a more civilised world. But christians still kill, brainwash, discriminate and influence the law system negatively in countries like USA. So no, it's not justified, how can you bee ok with thousands upon thousands of people being murdered? Doesn't matter who did it, it's still horrible and wrong. And it's still because of religion "Christianity DID cause bad things in the Middle ages, but it does not anymore" - yes, yes it does. I've been over this a lot of times now, but denying that christianity does bad things is just ridicules. Was it justified to support Hitler too? Was it justified to kill that doctor? Is it justified to make people want to kill themselves because they're different? Is it justified to manipulate the laws to fit your own personal religion better? Is it justified to hold back research? You can go look up the influence religion has yourself and do a little research before you next argument, but please don't dismiss the bad stuff, take the good AND the bad, and then think why religion was needed to do the good. "People have and still do kill in the name of God, but atheism causes death not directly." - How does atheism cause death? We don't believe in anything, we don't have any reason to do bad things unless we are bad people. Atheism doesn't have any authority, no extended rules and laws, atheists are 100% responsible for their own actions. Atheism doesn't cause harm and death, bad people does, and both atheism and theism has bad people. But please do come with example of atheism being the cause of something horrible, the cause, not just a bad man who happened to be atheist. Have you read Mein Kampf? "I believe today that my conduct is in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator. - Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1 Chapter 2" "Even today I am not ashamed to say that, overpowered by stormy enthusiasm, I fell down on my knees and thanked Heaven from an overflowing heart for granting me the good fortune of being permitted to live at this time. - Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1 Chapter 5" "What we have to fight for is the necessary security for the existence and increase of our race and people, the subsistence of its children and the maintenance of our racial stock unmixed, the freedom and independence of the Fatherland; so that our people may be enabled to fulfill the mission assigned to it by the Creator. - Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1 Chapter 8" The quotes go on. Yes, the church did support him. They could have said no, they could have stood up and rejected Hitler and done good things, but they didn't. Instead they were a major force and support, enthusiastic and not by force. They could have fought back but instead they used the situation for their own benefit, if they were just cowards or greedy doesn't change what they did and what they did was not good. And even if the church didn't support him, he was still a christian and he believed it was God will and he was blessed. He might have had some sharp ideologies, but he was still using his religious beliefs as a justification for what he did, he thought God told him too and so did many of the religious people who took his orders. Try comparing what Hitler did to the stories of the bible. If he lived around the time the bible were written it his stories could have been included in the many other stories of warfare in the name of God, where entire cities were slaughter and women were raped and people were taken as slaves. The similarities are strong, and the only difference really is that Hitler lived in a modern world with a more modern society and modern weapons and means. "You're seriously complaining about people who kill those who kill the unborn for a living?" - Here comes biology 101. There is a timeframe where a woman can have an abortion. Within this timeframe, it is not a baby. The majority of abortions happen when it's nothing but and egg or a small cluster of cells. But in modern society we don't kill babies cause it never started living. Its brain hadn't developed, it never had the ability to feel or think and it never had a personality. It's not a baby, just the potential. And I think it's more immoral to put a child in the world who is unwanted or doesn't have any parents to care for it properly, we have too many children suffering as it is and terminating them before they become anything is more humane than letting them suffer. Per definition, you are not a mother before you have given birth to a child or you take care of a child (outside a womb), and not before you can say "that felt great, honey". Now I do think it would be absolutely horrible for someone to kill an innocent baby, but it's not more or less horrible to kill a man with wife and children. Cause after all, he had a life, he was needed and loved by many and he contributed to society. And you know what? He didn't kill babies. It might be tempting to call it a baby, but it simply isn't. It's nothing but an egg. The baby doesn't exist yet. "Again, Christians help people not because they fear eternal torment, but rather want God to be happy with them." - Isn't that the same thou? You want God to be happy with you. Why? Because if he isn't then you believe you go to hell, and you don't want that. You want God to be happy with you because if he isn't you will suffer. He has all the power in the universe, he is all mighty and all powerful and well, he is the biggest murderer in history if he exists - I think you would be stupid not to fear him, wouldn't you? You want him to be happy so you don't end up in hell = You fear going to hell. "Please sleep at a haunted house for a night, please." - I've actually done that, I went to a summer camp where we slept in an old castle where the ghosts of the previous tenants where roaming the halls. We have castles like that everywhere. Stories of how the women killed their husband or were killed, and now they are coming back to revenge - you know, good old ghost stories. But guess what, it's only stories. It's imagination and when we get a little scared in a big, dark castle then our imagination takes over and suddenly there are evil creatures or lost souls everywhere in the darkness. But we all know it's just our imagination playing games with us, we all know it's just stories of the supernatural - not real. " Also it may seem mean to say that atheists should be treated with extreme hostility, but they poison modern society and threaten the only good thing in the world which is Christianity. When the atheist problem becomes big enough, the amount of religious unrest will cause another world war. They are enemies of God therefore they must die. Unfortunately genocide and murder is illegal." - wow we must die? You say you are the only good thing in the world, really? And then you say we are evil and must die even thou WE aren't the ones with a long history of murderer and horrible, horrible things. I live in Denmark and here we are mostly atheists. And guess what - happiest country in the world! We have relatively good politics, especially compared to the US, we don't have a lot of crime and discrimination due to religion like you have over there, we are one of the most peaceful countries and one of the most educated. "The majority of charity is powered by Christian motivation." - Yes, as I said, because the majority of the western world IS christian. How about you take it relative to each other, try saying "How many atheist charities are there for every 100.000 atheists and how many Christian charities are there for every 100.000 christian". Then it would be pretty much the same if not in favour of the atheists. It's a fact that more people has died in the name of the biblical God than the islamic one. "atheists labeling their religious views as "none"" - We don't HAVE a belief, it's the definition of the word, we don't belive in fairytales, we don't think "god" exists! A GOOD Christian (a good Christian is Catholic) despises whoever promotes evil and danger to Christ's Church." insulting to other christians and atheists and no, we don't promote evil and danger, YOU do. " "look at me guys I'm too smart for god lolol flying spaghetti monster why does all of Christendom hate me stahp persecuting me"" - yet another insulting and untrue stereotype, but you know you kinda prove the stereotype by being in idiot, right? You give up reason for the stereotype for atheists to be "The intellectuals.", and there is a reason why.