Abortion

I fear my opponent does not understand the nature of the debate, for this under the category of "philosophy" and facts don't always back up theories, and you did agree to take sides with "pro" on on this debate, naturally making my arguments "con". And as for all arguments being false, I query thy to be blind? Round 1 clearly lays out an argument for fetus being alive, and deserving the rights of a Human. Come round two, you debunk my REM sleep idea but say nothing to the statements of the ability to breathe, and grasp objects, and for the severely handicapped which i have worked with on occasion- that is a great step forward. And you say that Humans that have no heart beat are not alive, yet If your heart stops, you have four minuets without brain damage. And longer if you include brain Damage. Life. what is life? well parasites are alive, for they can move on their own, and can travel from host to host and can be on celled Organisms, so using that they are indeed alive, a fetus under 21 days, is too alive, for it is growing. So a fetus is indeed alive. I have seen via video recording live abortions, and the images of them make me want to puke my guts out. seeing the tiny hands, the little head and oh all the blood! here is where i reach a problem, these images are FAR to graphic for me to post on this debate, so my argument can not reach full impact. but if you want a text description here you go: imagine a toy doll, only with tiny rubbery arms and legs, that are slightly transparent, in a pool of blood. switch screens, a fountain of blood erupting from the underside of a woman, and in this river of blood you see a thing that looks like a doll's head, only you know it isn't a doll. it was a child. Abortion is murder. "Murder is always a mistake - one should never do anything one cannot talk about after dinner" -Oscar Wilde "Murder is not the crime of criminals, but that of law-abiding citizens." -Emmanuel Teney the first three passages or so, are from the Christian Bible, in which i believe, and the rest are from the Qur'an, in which i do not believe, but seems relevant and right in this case. The LORD God formed the man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being (Genesis 2:7). And life is therefore a Gift, no? We need to protect this life, infant Doctors vow to protect life. And do you want to know what else God thinks about Fetus? "For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother's womb. I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made; your works are wonderful, I know that full well. My frame was not hidden from you when I was made in the secret place. When I was woven together in the depths of the earth, your eyes saw my unformed body. All the days ordained for me were written in your book before one of them came to be (Psalm 139:13-16)." "Listen to me, O house of Jacob, all you who remain of the house of Israel, you whom I have upheld since you were conceived, and have carried since your birth. Even to your old age and gray hairs I am he, I am he who will sustain you. I have made you and I will carry you; I will sustain you and I will rescue you (Isaiah 46:3-4)" I dont believe in this god, but if you do here is what Allah has to say about abortion, he may have the right idea: "Losers are those who killed their children foolishly, due to their lack of knowledge, and prohibited what God has provided for them, and followed innovations attributed to God. They have gone astray, they are not guided." (6:140) "You shall not kill any (Nafs) person - for GOD has made life sacred - except in the course of justice……."(17:33) "You shall not kill your children due to fear of poverty. We provide for them, as well as for you. Killing them is a gross offense"(17:31) "Say, "Come let me tell you what your Lord has really prohibited for you: You shall not set up idols besides Him. You shall honor your parents. You shall not kill your children from fear of poverty - we provide for you and for them. You shall not commit gross sins, obvious or hidden. You shall not kill any (Nafs) person - GOD has made life sacred - except in the course of justice. These are His commandments to you, that you may understand." [6:151] You can discredit facts all you want, but Life is life. And the moment you don't respect it, it can walk out on you, and you can guess where that leaves you.