Kesha has no true talent in terms of singing

" Yes, in fact I have. I am a musical theatre performance and so about 75% of the time I'm singing on stage I'm dancing. Loads of singers perform live and dance way more than she does with more skill and advancement and more often and are capable of a better live performance. Yes, I have seen singers such as the ones I named on my last argument live and it was great singing." I am also in musical theater performance. Professionally. I have also seen a lot of Broadway shows. She has done better than some people I've seen in Broadway shows. She isn't trained the way others are. You can't expect her to sing like a lot of other professionals. A lot of pop singers sing like this in concert. This was a decent performance at the least. Maybe you have the same standards for her as you do for yourself if you are trained as I am, but she obviously was not classically or musical theater trained vocally. Her technique, tone, and timbre she makes unique to her. She does these things on purpose to sound different. Whether you like what she does with her voice or not doesn't mean she is a bad singer. A bad singer won't sing in tune and their voices will crack during the performance. Neither of these things happened during any performance I've seen by Kesha. " Okay, but what about those who are good in concert and on the radio that aren't hitting the top of the charts? This isn't an argument over whether or not they're good songs and if she can put on a show. I disagree. If someone is a truly talented singer, they will be able to perform admirably unless they are sick or have totally lost their voices or have not warmed up." Ok, this leads me to believe you are not trained. My teacher is a reasonably famous opera singer, Donald George. Even he doesn't sound good in the mornings before he has warmed up. He spends at least fifteen minutes a day warming up so he can sound his best. Also, unless you have laryngitis or something, you can sing with a cold. Unless it hurts to sing when you are sick, if you are singing healthily, a cold should not affect your voice except for maybe making it a little nasal. Other artists are irrelevant to this debate. Your resolve was that Kesha is not a good singer. I say, you can't know that. If you cannot fulfill the burden of proof that Kesha is not a good singer then you lose the debate and the win defaults to me. " I'm a teenager and I do listen to the radio, but I also listen to my iPod. http://www.marketingcharts.com...... This link takes you to a site that states that the majority of people are above 12 and are mostly teenagers and young adults." This is irrelevant. " Not true. The beginning was in tune, but the majority of the song of after that was her little talk-singing thing and then some seriously not good singing. It was not good, not horrendous but it was bad. Listen to the chorus which is actual singing and it sounds like she's singing from her throat and not from her diaphragm." For one, I did listen to it. On a better link with I will now post. http://www.youtube.com... Her sing-songy thing and the way she sounds she does to be different as an artist. I am not trying to say she is by any mean as good classical and some musical theater singers. But as a pop singer she isn't bad at all. She definitely was in in tune as much as anyone can doing what she is doing. Also, it isn't as simple as "she sings from her throat not her diaphragm". You don't just sing from your diaphragm. Also, it is very hard to tell what a singer is doing wrong even for my teachers who have taught voice for a very long time. " Okay, um I understand that this isn't about this, but if Ke$ha writes her songs from experience first I fear for her life. Anyways, it would be different if her lyrics were good lyrics or just meaningless words strung into a good beat. The point isn't whether her music is good. As far as I'm concerned, her music is okay to listen to on the radio, b I don't think its fair for her to be swimming in cash when people with these amazing or even just better-than-Ke$ha voices are fighting tooth and nail for a record deal." This is irrelevant, but i don't think you know a lot about pop artists. None of them deserve to be swimming in cash even if they are good singers. Most of them don't write their music and have meaningless lyrics. Everyone is dying to get a record deal, does that make hem more deserving of it? Is the music industry going to be fair? No. Also, Kesha, unlike many artists is actually not very rich. She doesn't own million dollar homes or buy a lot of ridiculous frivolous things. She spends most of it on her tours. I read an interview with her. " In conclusion, a lot of you're points were targeting MY experiences from what I've heard. I'm around amazing singers everyday who are throwing pirouettes and grand jetes with microphones strapped to their faces under the hot lights of a stage and they don't need electronic editing to have a good voice; they just do. Ke$ha needs electronic editing, but to really earn her right as a true vocal talent, she needs voice lessons." I did not just work off of your experiences. I also am around a lot of great singers everyday who sing better than she is. I actually do broadway shows. She obviously does need some training as most pop artists do. Remember, she is not a broadway singer. She isn't supposed to sound like the people we work with. Also, how do you decide who deserves to get a record or not? Just because someone is maybe a better singer, which is debatable, doesn't make them a better artist or deserving of fame. I know a lot of talented people who are terribly full of themselves and I hope they never get rich because they don't deserve it as a person.