atheism is a force for good in this world and progressing the human race unlike theism

Okay I am quite pleased with my opponent as he is quite intelligent and knows what he is talking about so this well be a good debate. With that said I well start my debate. My opponent first brings up how to define good, and yes good can be manipulated to mean many things but basically what I mean good is the same way we get our morality, public opinion. Now you may ask yourself so does that mean that a mass murder means that we define good by what he thinks yes and no. To know what we find moral and good and immoral and bad is what everyone thinks just like in our society we see someone kills someone we define them as bad, but a member of Al Qaeda that kills an infidel they would define that as good. I later define good as progressing the human race technologically, scientifically, and to help remove bigotry. I believe everyone here except anarchist believe to be good thing. "Unchecked science can lead to eugenics (a kind of human breeding attempt to create a master race), [4] cloning, the creation and destruction of human embryos for research purposes, as well as other policies I would call evil. To go in a more pertinent direction, unchecked science can actually hinder world peace as science produces bigger and bigger bombs. Nuclear holocaust was a very real possibility a few decades ago." So my opponent would like to convince you that without a theistic backing science would quote on quote go unchecked by allowing things like eugenics, cloning, the creation and destruction of human embryos for research purposes. Okay lets tackle these things first, starting with eugenics. Eugenics the study/ belief of improving human qualities by having people with positive genetics reproduce and those with negative not. Okay what"s wrong with this eugenics has been going on since the beginning of life animal"s mate with others of its own species to improve its chance of survival of the next generation; even humans even do this today. Humans produce hormones that we can smell, per say, subconsciously and we use these hormones to find mates that have a different immune, system genetics, etc. so that our offspring well have a mix in genetic and immune system defenses that they would inherit from both parents so they would be hardier/ more healthy. And the same why we find people with abnormalities in there body we find them ugly or someone you wouldn"t want to date as if you were to have offspring that offspring would be worse off as it could get those genetic disorders and making them worse off rather then better off. So eugenics is not creating a master race as you say it"s a natural phenomenon that has progressed our evolution to this point and the same with every animal out there. Now you go into talking about cloning. Now what is wrong with this, the only thing one can think wrong with this is "playing god" which people would use as an excuse to keep cloning for happening. The benefits of cloning are vast an one can think of endless reasons why it would be beneficial to us humans such as cloning human organs so that people that are waiting for a transplant for a failing liver or kidney or even a defective heart these people could have to wait months if not years to get a transplant and some don"t even live long enough to get a transplant as they die due to the failing organ. On average 18 people die every day waiting for a transplant that"s 6,570 people die on average every year. The reason transplants are so difficult is that you have to have an organ with the same blood type, mussel type, size and many more factors that complicate the process. Now if we had cloning technology we could take a sample of hosts body clone that and have that person get their own organ than have to wait and possibly die waiting for a transplant. As well as that we could learn more about the human body how to rid certain diseases and many more benefits. Now the creation and destruction of human embryos I can see how this could be a moral dilemma but through their use we could try and possibly solve genetic disorders cure diseases. And then you go on talking about how unchecked science leads to bigger and bigger bombs that"s not sciences fault just like German chemist Fritz Haber figured out how to fix nitrogen from the atmosphere which was later used to make bombs to kill in WWI but his discovery revolutionized how the world feeds its self. Yes it was used to make bombs but now we use it to feed our world same with how Chinese alchemists first made gun powder and used it to make fireworks but when later found by the Europeans was used to make guns and kill people. All these things have great uses and terrible uses none of this is sciences fault, science just finds these facts about the universe around us, but it"s up to us on how we use these facts that have been uncovered. Yes through science we lived and still live in an age where we are threatened by the complete and udder destruction of all life on earth but science just found out how it works we made the bombs and if we use them and kill all life that is our fault and we have no one to blame but ourselves not science. Now you say that I have to prove that theism hider"s science my main point is the Catholic Church and the 1000 years of scientific suppression due to it being blasphemy. We see people like Galileo, Da Vinci, Copernicus and thousands more all due to religion and without it we could have a cure for cancer or the common cold many of things but we will never know due to the suppression of science throughout history. "My point is that atheists quite simply have no consequences to fear if they enter a school, kill forty kids, and then kill themselves. On the other hand, Christians and Jews and Muslims know they're in big trouble with God if they do so. In fact, a believer's relationship with God will often radically transform their very character, pushing them far from the point where they would even consider doing such a thing. Now, to be clear, I am not saying that atheists normally like to kill people and then themselves. However, according to atheism, when you're dead, it's all over, which means that you really do have nothing to fear after death, so there is no logical reason NOT to kill others and then yourselves if you are an atheist, assuming you are angry at the world." This is the part of the debate that I am quite disappointed in con as this is where he shows his ignorance. Now Con would like you to believe that an atheist that is pissed off at the world would go out and shoot up an entire school and then kill himself and the atheist wouldn"t care as they wouldn"t have to worry about the wrath of god. Now con try"s to cover his tracks by saying "I am not saying that atheists normally like to kill people and then themselves." But then continues to say that according to atheism you die and have nothing to fear for after you die, then he again goes on and attacks atheism by saying "there is no logical reason NOT to kill others and then yourselves if you are an atheist, assuming you are angry at the world." So con would like to pin the fact on that Atheists are immoral people that if they kill they don"t care. I would like to say again morality isn"t defined by religion but is defined by what the masses think like in our society it is immoral to kill that is how we get our morality and with that said again and since con wants to talk about atheism killing people I would like to bring up all the terrorist acts theism has brought upon such as Al Qaeda, ISIS, KKK, and countless others we see people motivated to do these terrifying despicable acts such as the hijacking of multiple civilian aircraft by Islamic extremists which were latter used to be rammed into the world trade centers and the pentagon all in the name of their religion, the Oklahoma City bombing by Christian extremist in the name of their religion we also see Christian fundamentalists who bomb abortion clinics not very love thy neighbor like there are countless examples of radical religious groups using their religion to kill and using terror tactics to push their religion now as you said Christians, Jews, Muslims know they"re in big trouble with god if they do so, well in their minds all there doing is promoting their religion and doing the teaching of god just like Muslim extremist believe when they die for Allah they well go to heaven and get 99 virgins and then we have the Christian fundamentalist that in the name of god and their religion they bomb abortion clinics, suppress gay rights, and spread bigotry. As we can see even god fearing believers kill in the name of their religion am not saying all but it is out there as we all know. Now back to the point of this section people don"t go shoot up a school because if they die they won"t go to hell and they just don"t care people do this because they have some time of mental disability just like James Homes, the guy that shot up the theater in Aurora, Colorado, who has been tested and is mentally insane. Well that is all I have for now I can"t see how con well respond and I wish them luck. http://www.americantransplantfoundation.org... http://science.howstuffworks.com... http://dictionary.reference.com... http://www.scientificamerican.com...