Atheism just another I believe blah blah

I am pleased that you have so graciously agreed to debate this subject, yet one more time. Thank You, I hope to learn something new from our debate. Your opening thesis: "my main point is that atheism is not a belief, but a lack of belief." My response to this - your main point - that a believer declares I believe in etc. An atheist declares I do not believe in etc. It seems to my that your main point acknowledges that both believer and atheist stand on the identical foundation of EGO. I believe vs. I do not believe. The first word of both belief systems -- the self important EGO of "I". Limiting the Gods to what a person personally believes or does not believe - while opposites - exist as the 2 sides of the same coin - heads or tails. Let me bring proof from what you write: ""nah, I don't buy it." "" A belief system centers upon the EGO of I. Let me bring another proof from what you write: ""I don't think so"". Once more the EGO of I raises its head. Who are you or myself, do our personal opinions change the nature of gravity? No they do not. How much more so the nature of the Gods! Let me bring proof from what you write: ""Rejecting a statement for lack of evidence"" What qualifies as evidence? Shall we rely upon the scientific method? The latter relies strictly upon physical "empirical" evidence. But limiting the Gods to 3 physical dimensions - that's just simple idolatry. Xtianity must have a physical jesus son of Zeus. The religion falls apart if Jesus son of Zeus exists only as mythology. To disprove the folly and arrogance of the Scientific method as the holder of the keys of all evidence, 19th century's hyperbolic geometry's refutation of the 5th axiom of Euclidian geometry. I do not know your math skills, so i will make this simple: A plane and a line not on that plane ... how many lines can be drawn through that line ... and remain parallel to the plane? Euclid's 5th axiom declares "1 line". Hyperbolic geometry teaches "infinite lines". How? Euclid's 5th axiom limited all reality to 3 physical dimensions. Hyperbolic geometry argues that mathematically infinite dimensions exist. The ancient Greeks and Romans named the planets in our galaxy by names of their Gods. So too the days of the week. A simple question: what distinguishes between ancient Greek mythology which limited reality to 3 physical dimensions to that of the modern Scientific method which makes the exact same mathematical error?! Sir, how do you define this term: "evidence"? As an atheist praise God, I do not believe in the Gods worshipped by christians and muslims or buddists etc. However, what I personally believe does not count for a hill of beans! Therefore its not enough for me to declare my atheism, but rather its necessary for me to praise the God of my People [being Jewish]. Torah contrasts with the other abomination religions b/c its 1st and foremost a Constitutional political document rather than a religious book of faith. Its logic system does not depend upon personal beliefs pro or con. Torah stands upon the integrity of the oath alliance which allies swear to one another. A person does not swear to keep defined terms of an oath, and later declare: "I believe I made an oath!" Swearing a Torah oath has its consequences: keep faith to the terms and conditions of the oath sworn and live; break faith with the terms and conditions of the oath sworn and die. Examples of this within the Hebrew T'NaCH: exile. The Torah teaches that exile - becoming a stateless refugee population qualifies as a form of death. Jews existed as stateless refugees scattered across Asia and Europe for over 2000 years. Stateless refugees have little or no rights. The oppression of European society for over 2000 years of the Jewish stateless refugee populations in Europe resulted in Genocide wherein the European barbarians efficiently slaughtered 75% of European Jewry in less than 4 years! Jesus son of Zeus stated in the gospel mythologies "by their fruits you shall know them". I mosc kerr abhor the gods worshipped by the scum christian pigs! Please permit me to bring another quote and address it directly. "Atheists' stance on religion or God is basically "not guilty," instead of "innocent." First point of distinction, the Gods and religion - 2 totally separate realities. Theology and dogma do not determine the Gods. That's just silly arrogant Egotism. Man can no more bring evidence to prove or disprove the existence of the Gods and can a frog write a dissertation upon human society and present this history in order to receive a PhD. I like and agree with your closing statement and thank you: "think of atheism as nothing more than a rejection of other beliefs, instead of its own independent belief." I love my people, our culture and customs and traditions. As a Jew I do not believe in God or Gods. But the oath to obey the commandments of Moshe our prophet, please HaShem bless my nation Israel, give me the merit to obey the Torah of Moshe the greatest prophet of my People. A prophet does not fortell the future - that's a witch. A prophet commands mussar. Mussar, ethical rebukes, apply to all generations of Man. All men must put their pants on one leg at a time and urinate in a toilet of some kind, even if its a tree or a wall. The Oral Torah - represents a unique logic system, totally different from the logic systems developed by Plato and Aristotle of ancient Greece. Everything has its limitations, and logic has its limitations. Logic can not provide evidence of the existence or none existence of the Gods. Logic does permit all generations of the Jewish people a common logic format wherein they can interpret the intent of the Framer of our Torah Constitution. Judaism, developed by exiled Jewry in the Middle Ages - that's a religion. Religion does not define or restrain or limit the nature of the Gods which no man can comprehend.