Jack Bauer is superior to Jason Bourne (David Webb)

I would like to start the round out by thanking my opponent for not forfeiting, as is what happened when I first posted my debate. I look forward to some interesting clash. First off, (with respect to a great response) my opponent has dropped all of the arguments I have made in my proponent, so I would like to extend those arguments now. To begin, I will adress the arguments made by Cliff. "Jack's misson refusal" Argument. We must remember, that at this point in the episode, Jacks daughter has already run away. As a parent, it is understandable to be concerned for a daughter if she is in potential danger, even if that means denying a dangerous mission. Also however, while Jacks first response was "no" to the proposal, he did in fact end up taking the mission, and succeeding in the mission by the end of the season, so given this, the argument falls. "Jack's Combat ability." Argument. The attack on Mason, wasn't an attack that should example combative experience however. The attack on Mason was to subdue a man who was withholding information that was a priority to Jack's mission. Obviously Mason was no field agent, but jack knew that the action was nessicary. We have plenty of other examples to prove jacks superior combat ability. For example Jack Bauer is injured near the end of season two, yet proceed to climb up a nine foot wall and subdue an enemy. Or when Bauer thought his daughter was killed by Victor Dresen, Jack personally goes in alone, without back-up, and kills 6 Men, including Dresen, without getting a single scratch. "Un-superior father" Argument. Jack Bauer isa man of absolute expertise. He in no way handles his family experiences wrong given his situation. From the second his daughter is kid-napped, Jack had the CTU, and himself tracking her down along with his wife, all the same time accomplishing his mission. The fact that Jack's family was targeted can in no way effect Jack's "superiority" as a father, seeing as they were part of a terrorist plot. Also I could use the same argument, saying that Jason Bourne is a bad Boyfriend, seeing as he got his girlfriend killed in the Bourne supremacy.Also later, you say that he ignores his wife and daughters claims to the terrorist link.This however, obviouslyis untrue. Jack goes to every measure possible to protect his wife and daughter, even as far as almost assasinating a presidentalcandidate (David Palmer), and killing a fellow CTU agent (Nina Meyers). Jack goes to every extreme measure there is to complete his objective and protect his family. "Tactical awareness" Argument. For ths argument you use the example of him going to the roof uncarefully. We can say that he has no tactical awareness, but really, on what front doesn't he have it on? Walsh was armed supplied by jack, and both almost got out alive. Walsh was eliminated because of his tactical un-awareness, but obviously Jack got out alive, and with decent information from Walsh about the traitor inside CTU. Jack had no problem eliminating the enemies in the building, and escaping just as easily. So really what grounds would this argument claim to his lack of awareness? "Bourne is a better comabatant" Argument. Yes, Jason Bourne succesfully disarms, two officers of the law, for trying to detain him for sleeping on a public bench. So what this establishes, is that while Jack Bauer is off trying to prevent terrorist attacks on U.S. soil, and protect american citizens in general to serve the law, Jason bourne is out attacking officers of the law and committing crimes. And this somehow makes Bourne superior? Again, we must remember that Jack bauer is constantly on the moving and constantly taking on enemies. If you were to count the number of enemies he defeats in each season, which takes place all in a day each, you would be baffled. Compare this to Jason's fight against only a few men at a time, and spaced between a few days each. Jack Bauer is obviously the superior one in this case. "Bourne's lack of support" Argument. We need to remember that Jason Bourne is potentially a bad guy, which is why he has no support. In fact this argument just goes in my favor. If Jack has more support, he has better chance of succeeding in superiority. Jason made choices to get him lack of support, and this in no way makes him more superior. "Random Quote on the set of 'we live' " Argument. I'm not going to lie, I really missed the point of this argument, and how it shows Jason Bourne is more superior to Jack Bauer. Kiefer Sutherland, I'm sure had plenty of awesome quotes as well, how ever, that is irrelevant to his characters superiority. New Extension Arguments For Bauer. 1. Jack is pretty dang old, yet still accomplishes amazing feats. From seasons 1-9, a total of 13 years pass, leaving Jack Bauer in his late fourties before he is done with his long hectic life and adventure. A man with this crazy of life, fighting as much as he does, is pretty amazing to still be kicking it out this late in his life. http://www.highdefdigest.com... 2. Jason Bourne has a harder time taking down the "Big Boys." Several times during the Bourne trilogy, Jason is confronted with mercenaries, who attempt to kill him (spefically, in the first and third movie). Jason Has a hard time taking them down, and actually takes quite a while, coming dangerously close to death a few times in each cases. Merely luck has prevented Jason from a few of those shortcomings. Unlike Bauer, who has expert training in combat from multiple agencies, and defeats his adversaries in a timely manner. http://bourne.wikia.com... 3. Jack Bauer can do practically anything. This guy is like an army swiss knife, with every available function. He's is asked on the spot to do a great many of things, and does it effortlessly. Like in season two when he offers to fly a plane with a bomb into the mohabi desert. This guy instantly hops in the plane and flies it there no problem before mason takes over. Also Later owards the end of the season, Jack is tortured horribly, and never once reveals any information, even to the point where he dies(before being revived), and then escaping. http://en.wikipedia.org... To Conclude, I would like to say that I have offered a great many arguments proving Jack Is superior to Jason. I have proven: 1. He's a better Combatant, 2. He's a better tactician, 3. People like Bauer better still. 4. He's a better strategist, 5. He's more experienced, 6. Jack eliminates foes with ease, and 7. Jack can do almost any task given to him on the spot. Please note, that all arguments brought up in round 2 were un-refuted, thus we must extend them. Please Vote Pro! Good luck to my opponent.