Topic #34 - The US should adopt a timetable for Withdrawl from Iraq

Still, Con has yet to give any actual reasoning as to why we should not adopt a time table to withdraw from Iraq. The only real arguments he's made is that America has not been in a recession (which it has been) and the philosophy of suffering, niether of which is a real argument to proving his resolution. This debate has clearly gotten as off topic as the war itself. I maintain that the war has caused our economy to fail, that withdrawl would save lives, and that we are there illegally. Still, I will rebutte his arguments, pointless as they may be. 1) My responce is responsive. The government has not been able to police the businesses of it's own country because it is busy elsewhere. Thus, they take advantage of the war and it's need for supplies. They then raise the prices of their goods, making it more expensive to buy items they know people need. Evidence is all over the place, as I mentioned before, most noticably in the food, fuel, and housing markets. COnsumer cannot maintain the cost to continue to live in their own home, so they sell it, however, pople don't have enough money to buy that house, causing the housing market to plumet. They need cheap housing so that they will still have enough money for food. Food is being used as ethenol because gas prices are rediculous. And those are definetly effected by the war because we have a dependency on foreign oil, most from the middle east. THe price of oil started to increase way before 2008. It is just now that it is at it's worst. Because one of our most major markets was impacted by the war, a domino effect started, and is knocking down other markets. We've been in a steady recession ohase ever since we went to war, but it is only now, after we've finally realized that things are getting worse, that we are recognizing it. So we have been able to see it, we just haven't noticed it. 2a&b) My opponent is also not an economist, which is why we should trust evidence made by actual economists, which I have provided. Next, con only back up my claim further. He admits that inflation and high costs of living cause strife amoung the poor, something I've said from the start. The government needs to get back to handeling it's own problems and stopping this inflation nightmare. My next argument is only a restatement of the first, which both can address Cons concerns. 1) Con should be using this time to discuss why we should stay in Iraq, yet continues to agree with me despite himself. He agrees we are there illegally, basically destroying the stance he should be defending. All of this is argument is based off of hypothetical philosophy, whereas mine is based off fact. There is no proof to show suffering is inevitable, except if the case is us staying in Iraq. War and suffering go hand in hand. Without war, there will be either no suffering or it will be greatly reduces. At least, if suffering continues, and we've withdrawn, we won't be responsible. 2) What if Iraq wants us out anyway? Even if they are better off with us there we have no right and they want us out. There's a thought that just happens to be true, not just theory. SO my points are -America needs to withdraw in order to pay attention to it's own plentiful problems, caused by war or not -Iraq wants us out so we should get out -We are there illegally, basically making us invaders. We need to get out so we don't provoke another war with even more outraged countries And assuming Con thinks these arguments prove his resolution, they come down to -We're not in a recession, even though the markets are bad now, so... stay in Iraq -People are going to suffer anyway so... stay in Iraq -GO ANARCHY! And stay in Iraq None of which prove his resolution. They only state that he doesn't think the years of market failings mean we are in a recession, he likes Nietzsche, and has still not gotten on topic. So Con has one final round to attempt and say something productive for himself. Otherwise, I'd say the vote has to go to Pro, as it seems I'm the only one who tried to argue on topic 34. Darth_Grievous_42 out.