Noah's Ark Could Not Have Happened

Round 2: Rebuttals, and one argument (or none) I reject your position “By worldwide, I mean the complete Earth, all 150,000 KM2 of it. Each one 20 feet atop the tallest mountain.” Let me repeat my position from round 1 - “Since PRO did not specify I am assuming a “known world” flood rather than the distributed continents we have on our maps today.” On to rebuttalsIn your round one you made 4 main points 1. Animal migration 2. Animal health and dietary requirements 3. Dimensions of the ark 4. Improbability of Noah doing all this (as a 600 year old man)In round 2 you raise the following new points (not really rebuttals) 1. “How could that even be built without advanced technology.” 2. “He would still have to get the animals to board the ship.” 3. “not have been able to fit all of the different diets for all of the different animals.” 4. A host of questions related to 29,000 feet elevation (Mount Everest) 5. Some comments about “beaver wood” - please explain [1]Review (rebuttal of PRO’s round 1 points) - Animal migration was to the high ground (of Tigris / Euphrates flood plain) - Noah had 120 years to gather grain for these animals - Since diseases cross species far less often, disease was not a problem - The ark was big enough for 50,000 animals - Noah entered the ark and God brought the animals to Noah (Gen 7:9)Rebuttal of PRO’s round 2 In round 1 we established we were talking about a regional flood that was over the heights of hills and mountains in the Tigris / Euphrates flood plain region.“How could that even be built without advanced technology.” The wooden shop Thalamegos (377×46 ft)was completed in 200 BC [2] Even longer, the Tessarakonteres (420×58 ft) [3] was the largest wooden ship since the ark. Noah has 120 years to do or hire out the work on the ark. Even today the issues are time and money more than technology. Johan Huibers recently made a full scale replica. [4]You are making bold claims that ship builders did not know how to build ships with no evidence or references to back up your claim. The Roman circus, and gladiatorial games included massive and exotic animals brought by wooden ship. Your claims that wooden ships can not carry heavy cargo is false. [5] Read this - “While officials at the inauguration of Pompey offered 500 lions, 410 leopards and 17 elephants, when the Colosseum was dedicated, 9,000 wild animals were sacrificed in a spectacle lasting a hundred days.” [6]Did you really think Noah had wooly mammoths on the ark?“The woolly mammoth coexisted with early humans . . . It disappeared . . . at the end of the Pleistocene 10,000 years ago” [7] I have not read of anyone thinking Noah was in the Pleistocene era.“He would still have to get the animals to board the ship.” You need to actually read the story. [8] God (not Noah) brought the animals onto the ark. Noah was in the ark. God brought the animals in. “not have been able to fit all of the different diets for all of the different animals.”You make many false assumptions here.I have already refuted your claim to a global flood. The story does not require it. Why should you take a fringe position. Then you state that Noah would have to take millions of animals.Since Noah (or the writer) was speaking to the people of his time in the language of his time about concepts of his time you need to take that into consideration.Look at the chart below [9] Of the 30 million species (upper estimate), 97% are invertebrate and would likely not be counted as animals. Of the remaining 3%, close to half are fish, leaving 1.5% of this GLOBAL number. Remember that we are working from the position of a regional flood so the number of animals is far smaller. Similarly, the amount and variety of food would also be smaller. These numbers would easy fit on an ark as described. Animals: estimated 3-30 million species||--Invertebrates: 97% of all known species| `--+--Sponges: 10,000 species| |--Cnidarians: 8,000-9,000 species| |--Molluscs: 100,000 species| |--Platyhelminths: 13,000 species| |--Nematodes: 20,000+ species| |--Echinoderms: 6,000 species| |--Annelida: 12,000 species| `--Arthropods| `--+--Crustaceans: 40,000 species| |--Insects: 1-30 million+ species| `--Arachnids: 75,500 species|`--Vertebrates: 3% of all known species `--+--Reptiles: 7,984 species |--Amphibians: 5,400 species |--Birds: 9,000-10,000 species |--Mammals: 4,475-5,000 species `--Ray-Finned Fishes: 23,500 species“How would the vegetation grow at 29,000 feet” You makes more bad assumptions. We are working from the point of a regional flood. Everest is not in the Tigris / Euphrates flood plain. Noah gathered food (hay & grain I presume, but not stated in scripture) in the region where he lived. The current geography has peaks near Ararat between 12,000 and 16,000 feet. If this is the site of the resting of the ark please note that the dove cam back with an olive branch which suggests a much different climate or elevation in the time of Noah.I don’t want to be picky about every logic mistake you make but there are some I can’t let slide.“Today, about 200 cages per zoo are made by professionals.” - actually these are enclosures designed to portray animals in their natural environment. Noah was not putting animals on display for the public, but warehousing them for transport. Noah’s job was more like making farm stalls.“But bacteria was in rain water. Dangerous ones.”Rainwater is actually better than city water. [10] “Comparing the cistern water to the well water, it is clear that cistern water is better or equal to the well water” and fresh captured rain water would not have time for bacteria to form like it would in a cistern.“He also must make sure that the ark doesn't tip over.” Really? This is your argument? How does a boat 450 ft long and 75 feet wide “tip over”? Just how would one human keep this tipping from happening?“When the flood waters fall down, he has to unload a likely stampede of animals without getting trampled.” Assuming the animals are in stalls or cages, any farmer has the skills to get them out to pasture. Your arguments are getting weaker.“did I mention he is 600, almost 5x older than the oldest human in modern day?” Since the debate is about the ark this is really outside the boundary of our debate.“Let me sum this up”You started the debate about animal migration, diet, space and bacteria.You said “ con will have to argue against these points and prove each one wrong”Now that I have refuted these points successfully you switch your argument to a global flood with Noah bobbing along above Mt. Everest. I am sure the readers will see that I successfully refuted all your points from round 1, and that you can not change the debate to be about Noah’s age or Noah at 29,000 ft with an oxygen mask.I am hoping you get back on track in round 3[1] https://www.google.ca...[2] http://en.wikipedia.org...[3] http://en.wikipedia.org...[4] http://www.cbc.ca...[5] http://www.alexandriaarchive.org...[6] http://www.iridescent-publishing.com...[7] http://en.wikipedia.org...[8] http://www.biblegateway.com...[9] http://animals.about.com...[10] http://www.harvesth2o.com...