Resolved: There are no messianic prophecies that can be attributed to Jesus

I will break down his rebuttal into Key points and correct them succinctly. I will do this in no specific order. Jesus referring to himself as a “worm”: The word used (thuloth) here is not just the word for worm. It is a specific worm that was used to produce scarlet die within the ancient world. It can be used to describe the color scarlet or used for the specific type of worm. So David is not calling himself just any worm, but a specific worm that you would crush to produce scarlet. In other words, the suffering Messiah we see from the Midrash. We see it translated as scarlet in: Exodus 25:4blue, purple and scarlet yarn and fine linen; goat hair Here is the Hebrew link to read for yourself: . http://www.scripture4all.org... Here the psalmist, writing a psalm, which is a poem, is using a literary device. He is stating that he is as the crushed worm. This is important to the Christian. It is stating that indeed the world treated God’s Son who is precious the same as a worm you crush to bleed red, symbolic and very apt considering they crushed and bruised him scarlet or bloody. They did not do this with any respect or humility as to whom they were beating. Psalm 22:6-8(6) But I am a worm [I’m scarlet] and not a man, scorned by men and despised by the people. (7) All who see me mock me, they hurl insults shaking their heads:(8) “He trusts in the Lord; let the Lord rescue him. Let him deliver him, since he delights in him. ” I am sorry this was not told you by your teachers. That should answer both of your questions about why God would call himself a worm. He is stating that he was esteemed by men not even as a man but as a worm to be crushed to bleed red. Concerning Psalm 22 being about David: I already stated the 8th century midrash shows clearly a Jewish Messianic interpretation. Here is a direct quote from the midrash showing this. . http://www.truthnet.org... 0“During the seven-year period preceding the coming of the son of David, iron beams will be brought low and loaded upon his neck until the Messiah’s body is bent low. Then he will cry and weep, and his voice will rise to the very height of heaven, and he will say o God; Master of the universe, how much can my strength endure? How much can my spirit endure? How much my breath before it ceases? How much can my limbs suffer? Am I not flesh and blood? It was because of the ordeal of the son of David that David wept, saying My strength is dried up like a potsherd (Ps. 22;16). During the ordeal of the son of David, the Holy One, blessed be He, will say to him; Ephraim, My true Messiah, long ago, ever since the six days of creation, thou didst take this ordeal upon thyself. At this moment, thy pain is like my pain. It is taught, moreover, that in the month of Nisan the Patriarchs will arise and say to the Messiah; Ephraim, our true Messiah, even though we are thy forebears, thou art greater than we because thou didst suffer for the iniquities of our children, and terrible ordeals befell thee…. For the sake of Israel thou didst become a laughingstock and a derision among the nations of the earth; and thou didst sit in darkness, in thick darkness, and thine eyes saw no light, and thy skin cleaved to they bones, and thy body was as dry as a piece of wood; and thine eyes grew dim from fasting, and thy strength was dried up like a potsherd—all these afflictions on account of the iniquities of our children. Ephraim is a darling son to Me…My heart yearneth for him, in mercy I will have mercy upon him, saith the Lord (Jer. 31:20). Why does the verse speak twice of mercy; In mercy I will have mercy upon him? One mercy refers to the time when he ill be shut up in prison, a time when the nations of the world will gnash their teeth at him every day, wink they eyes at one another in derision of him, nod their heads at him contempt, open wide their lips to guffaw, as is said All they that see me laugh me to scorn; they shoot out the lip, they shake the head (Ps. 22;8); My strength is dried up like a potsherd; and my tongue cleaveth to my throat; and thou layest me in the dust of death ( Ps. 22;16). Moreover, they will roar over him like lions, as is said they open wide their mouth against me, as a ravening and roaring lion. I am poured out like water, and all my bones are out of joint; my heart is become like wax; it is melted in mine inmost parts (Ps. 22;14-15) - Additionally I posted for you’re a link that showed psalm 22 did not happen to David but did happen to Jesus. Concerning the word for Lion. Some background on the how to determine the right “Text” to use for the psalm 22 translation; - The word Ka’ari is from the Masoretic Texts 900 A. D. - The Dead Sea Scrolls from pre-Christ we have the word used is ka’aru which means to bore or to pierce - Additionally the oldest copy of the Old Testament we posses is the Septuagint. This greek translation from the Hebrew also translates the word to pierce. This is a Jewish “change” well after the Advent of Christ. We must take the two pre-Christ texts and cite them as superior. They both state his hands and feet were pierced. Somewhere along the lines the Masoretic texts came into an error, whether deliberate or mishap. You can run these sources down directly from Dr. David Brown “Answering the Jewish objection” . http://www.truthnet.org... Again we know that David’s hands and feet were not pierced. Why would Jesus, who is suppose to be God feel forsaken by himself? To answer; Jesus is not God the father. He is God the Son. He is a separate person who shares the same essence of Diety of God the father. Hence, the Trinity. They are three persons with one essence. They are all God but they are three persons. Same concept, imagine you carve out a piece of a star. You now have two pieces of the exact same star stuff. They are the same essence, same stuff of stars but they are now two stars sharing the same essence. Diety cannot be divided as a star but the person of the Father, Son and Spirit can share it. Jesus did not feel forsaken. He was forsaken. He became sin on the cross, which God forsook for all of us. Again we are discussing Hebraic poetry. Psalm 22 Was recited by Jesus in its entirety: It is believed due to the start of Psalm 22 is listed in Matthew with verse 31 cited in John. “It is finished. ” It is logical and right to believe that he recited the first verse through 31 to indicate his suffering was completed. This is traditionally held by the Church. In Summary: To review each of the disputes you held to the prophecy still were largely irrelevant to the fulfillment. The resolution states that none can be attributed to Jesus. My opponent has provided only speculative reinterpretation, inaccurate retranslations and no evidence towards the fact that Jesus’ crucifixion indeed is mirrored by this psalm. 1) I have shown your simple worm interpretation was not accurate. 2) Most of the things that were discussed in the Psalm could not be attributed to David. My opponent merely claimed that it was David. He offered no proof that David fulfilled each of these events. 3) Here is another site showing how Jesus not David fulfilled this prophecy. . http://www.jesusplusnothing.com... 4) I have shown the earliest Midrash about psalm 22 pre Masoretic text, indeed view this psalm as Messianic. 5) I have shown that Jews have changed the text not Christians. Each of the earlier texts use the word for pierce.