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100 Debate Challenge 11:THB Tennessee is correct to protect teachers who teach creationism

Thanks again to my opponent for bringing up some excellent points. Before we take a look at them, I would like to take a brief moment to summarize my argument from last round. Firstly, creationism is not scientific and is therefore inappropriate for a science classroom. It is unsupported by evidence, whilst a massive amount of evidence supports evolution. Therefore, it is fallacious and false to claim that evolution and creationism are "competing theories" just as it is to claim alchemy and chemistry are "competing theories." Secondly, creationism is religious in nature because creation requires a creator by definition, and that creator is God. As many previously cited court cases have found, a combination of creationism's lack of evidence and its religious nature means it is unconstitutional to teach creationism in the classroom. Finally, teaching a profoundly unscientific position such as creationism alongside a well supported theory gives creationism unfair credence for being a scientific theory, and the last thing we want is for a public school to undermine real science. This is the equivalent to teaching Holocaust denialism along with real history. [1] Now, let's examine our opponent's points. He claims that "this isn't a freedom of religion thing." However, it is. My opponent has provided no evidence at all that creationism is science and not religion, and the Supreme Court has declared that it is a 1st amendment issue. For my opponent to disprove my point, he would have to give clear and convincing evidence that creationism is true. My opponent's claim that "there is plenty of evidence for creationism, but this extends beyond the scope of this debate" is false firstly because it is absolutely necessary for his position to provide this evidence and secondly because the evidence supports evolution, as 99% of scientists in fields related to evolution agree. [2] Next, he claims that disallowing the teaching of creationism violates the first amendment rights of teachers. This issue has already been through the Supreme Court and, not surprisingly, they came out in support of evolution. Believing something false doesn't give a teacher the right to teach it to children. Secondly, as I previously stated, I have absolutely no problem at all, and neither do public schools, with teaching competing scientific hypotheses. For example, there is a big debate within the scientific community over the nature of evolution, with the competing hypotheses of gradualism and punctuated equilibrium both being taught in public schools. [3] However, there is a big difference in this kind of debate, which has not yet been settled by the evidence, and the debate over evolution and creationism, which has already been resolved. My opponent then quotes me as saying that superstitious nonsense is not beneficial to students, and then proceeds to claim that I believe creationism is superstitious nonsense without evidence. However, I was referring to alchemy in the quo
100 Debate Challenge 11:THB Tennessee is correct to protect teachers who teach creationism

Religion- This isn't a freedom of religion thing. There is plenty of evidence for ceationism, but that extends beyond the scope of the debate. Being a believer in creationism doesn't neccessitate being apart of any religion, just as being a believerin Evolution doesn't mean you're automatically an atheist. For that purpose alone it isn't a seperation of church and state thing. It should also be noted that the government according to the first amendment shouldn't make anylaws prohibiting the free exercise of religion. If you're religion says that creationism is what happened and lying is against the moral tenants of your religion than ofcourse teaching evolution as fact and being unable to give any competing views restricts your freedom of religion. Science- There is absolutely no harm and a ton of benefit to teaching several different scientific theories. Kids need to learn critical thinking skills to function in society. A school that doesn't teach conflicting schools of tought is just programming a kid to accept whatever authority figures tell hi asfact. The advandscience, dictates that we don't just accept the modern understandingof the world as fact, that is to be holy and unquestioned. " being exposed to superstitious nonsense unsupported by evidence in a science class would undermine the empirical foundations of the scientific method." NO it wouldn't . Not only is this statement making bare assertions unsupported by any eidence that creationism is superstitious it is also just blatently false. If creationism didn't have legs to stand on, surely kids exposed to all the facts can come to that conclusion and be more experienced lter on at etecting quackery. The fact is kids are taught lies in school all the time and they o on as adults believing these absurdities, because they were never taught critical thinking skills. Kids to this day are bein taught that Betsy Ross created the American flag, that the guy who discovered Ameica is named Christopher Columbus and they are being taught Newtonian physics, despite the fact that it has been proven inaccurate and inferior to Einstein's laws of relativity. I fail to see why teachers can teach knowigly wrong facts both historical and scientific, but when it comes to the evolution creationism debte they can't teach both theories.
100 Debate Challenge 11:THB Tennessee is correct to protect teachers who teach creationism

Firstly, you claim that teachers, along with students, have "freedom of speech," protected under the Bill of Rights. While this is true, freedom of speech applies in an extremely limited context to public schooling, because government may not do anything "respecting an establishment of religion" under the 1st amendment. [1] Creationism is not scientific; it is purely religious. [2]. Therefore, it is unconstitutional to teach creationism in public schools, as has been well established in cases such as McLean vs Arkansas Board of Education [3] and Kitzmiller vs Dover Board of Education [4]. By supporting creationism in a professional setting, teachers violate the Constitution. Also, you state that "if a teacher believes that evolution is bunk and creationism is in fact the way to go the teacher should be allowed to state his or her opinion," then that teacher is no more qualified to teach science than someone who is a member of the Flat Earth Society, an organization supported by just as much evidence as any creationist organization. Secondly, students do lose out by having a pseudoscientific "theory" be treated as real science such as physics and evolution. For example, the teaching of alchemy alongside chemistry may not exclude the learning of chemistry, but being exposed to superstitious nonsense unsupported by evidence in a science class would undermine the empirical foundations of the scientific method. Finally, creationism is NOT a scientific theory. According to live science, a scientific theory is "an explanation or model based on observation, experimentation, and reasoning, especially one that has been tested and confirmed as a general principle helping to explain and predict natural phenomena." Creationism makes no accurate predictions and does not explain natural phenomena, and is therefore not a theory under the scientific definition. However, in some areas, such as the destruction or preservation of information in black holes and the firewall hypothesis, where there is not sufficient evidence to develop a solid theory, I more than happy to have students use critical thinking skills in debating the evidence. To summarize, creationism is not scientific and is not a theory. It is religious in nature and does not belong in a science classroom. If my opponent believes that evolution is false and creationism is true, substantial evidence is needed. Otherwise, it is indefensible to teach creationism in schools. As always, thanks to pro for agreeing to debate this topic. Sources 1- http://www.law.cornell.edu... 2- http://ncse.com... 3- http://www.talkorigins.org... 4- https://www.bu.edu...
100 Debate Challenge 11:THB Tennessee is correct to protect teachers who teach creationism

Freedom of Speech- Freedom of speech applies to teachers as well as students and everyone else[1] If a teacher believes that evolution is bunk and creationism is in fact the way to go the teacher should be allowed to state his or her opinion. This in no way takes away from the curriculum and actually helps students to learn critical thinking skills by examining several different scientific theories. Doesn't exclude Evolution- The Tennessee bill doesn't exclude evolution and as a matter of fact still requires it as part of the curriculum. The students aren't losing anything by granting teachers their freedom of speech. [2] Critical Thinking- Students can't possibly learn critical thinking skills when only presented with one type of argument or theory. In order to learn how to think for themselves they should be exposed to several different competing scientific theories. sources [1] http://www.law.cornell.edu... [2] http://www.capitol.tn.gov...
God Does Not Answer to Us

We are debating is god beyond our reproach? P1) If god is beyond reproach, god is all perfectP2) A perfect being, does everything all perfectP3) God created the universeP4) The universe is not perfectC1) God is not perfectC2) God is not beyond reproachIf I can find one non-perfect action, then god is not beyond reproach. Pro's objections are not good objections. First off Da Vinci is not omnibenevolent. Omniscient, and omnipotent. If he was and wanted people not to destroy his art, his art would never be destroyed. 'Pro says: ", there is no invariable action associated with winning 5 million dollars other than becoming a millionaire. Likewise, there is no invariable action associated with being a tri-omni God other than being a tri-omni God. "YES THERE IS. God is ALL good, ALL powerful, and ALL knowing. The omni traits are absolutes. He must always act in accordance with them. So the Epicurean paradox is valid. God can destroy evil, he knows how to, and he must want to since he is all good. This god must just be lazy then. There is no conceivable way that evil exists, if a tri-omni god exists. Pro's communication analogy is flawed because I am NOT a tri-omni god. God has ultimate free lunch. He doesn't have to sacrafice anything for anything else. Once again, any bad things we do are not our fault if god is omniscient. It's his. Problem Of Free Will(Non-gods):P1)An omniscient god knows the future. P2) An omniscient god can't be wrong. P3) An omniscient god can predict your actions and can't be wrong. P4)An omniscient god knows your actions. C1) You don't have free will. C2) Your acts are predeterminedImmoral acts by god:"He turned around, looked at them and called down a curse on them in the name of the LORD. Then two bears came out of the woods and mauled forty-two of the boys. "2 Kings 2:24"The waters flooded the earth for a hundred and fifty days. "Genesis 7:24God ordered 2 bears to kill 42 children; and flooded the earth for not believing in him. Although he knew they would disbelieve. That's just mean. The god of Abraham is petty not perfect. Conclusion:Pro has not fulfilled the BoP. I showed the universe in it's totality, is not perfect. We don't effect the universe in it's totality, so that means god is not perfect. I showed god is not a very good comunicator. Pro did not address the problem of hell. Pro tried to move the goal posts. Vote con. . http://biblehub.com... . http://biblehub.com... . http://en.wikipedia.org...'t_no_such_thing_as_a_free_lunch
God Does Not Answer to Us

God is all perfect and he does everything all perefect; however, God does not do everything. Say right after Da Vinci signed his name to the Mona Lisa someone came and gashed it with a knife. 1. If Da Vinci is a great artist, he creates wonderful artwork. 2. Wonderful artwork has no gashes in its canvas. 3. Da Vinci created the Mona Lisa 4 The Mona Lisa has a large gash in its canvas 5. Da Vinci is not a great artist. See the flaw? No? Let me explain further Every action of God is perefect; however, not every action is of God. The Epicurean Paradox is flawed because you can't acknowledge God is tri-omni and say what he "would" do. That's like saying someone who won 5 million dollars would buy a Mercedes and a new house. Statements like these are flawed because they are based on vast assumptions. A person who won 5 million dollars could give it all to the poor or could spend it all on drugs, there is no invariable action associated with winning 5 million dollars other than becoming a millionaire. Likewise, there is no invariable action associated with being a tri-omni God other than being a tri-omni God. About God being a poor communicator... Imagine you contract an highly contagious/deadly disease and you are quarantined and everyone who enters your room has to put on masks, shields, glasses, and other protective equipment that muffles the sound of their voices, their voice is so muffled you can't understand a single word they are saying. What to blame? Poor communication skills, protective equipment, or the disease? Without the disease there is no protective equipment therefore there are no muffled voices. Sin is the disease which introduces a barrier between us and God like the protective equipment that muffles God's voice. Also, the sun creates light and darkness. Just as money creates wealth and poverty. God and his actions are perfect and beyond reproach; however, not every action is God's.
God Does Not Answer to Us

Pro has missed the point -.-" The Epicurean Paradox defies logic. With that argument one could say "darkness exists therefore the sun does not exist." Is the sun responsible for darkness? Or is the absence of the sun responsible for darkness?"Do you honestly think this is analagous?The sun is not conscious, biotic, tri-omni? Yes the absence of light is responsible for darkness.However, your response is a red herring. Equivocation/ Shifting The Goal Posts Fallacy.Pro has commited two fallacies.He is confusing Reproach with Correct.I have to substantiate that god is not beyond reproach, I don't have to correct anything.But good try at cheating :). I can't play basketball better then Lebron James, but I can still be disappointed in him.Once again Nature of reproachP1) If god is beyond reproach, god is all perfectP2) A perfect being, does everything all perfectP3) God created the universeP4) The universe is not perfectC1) God is not perfectC2) God is beyond reproachMaybe this time pro will not commit logical fallacies and will give an adequate response to the Epicurian Paradox.Maybe also he will commit on why god is so bad at communication. http://en.wikipedia.org... http://en.wikipedia.org...
God Does Not Answer to Us

You addressed my statement of God is Beyond Our Reproach, but you didn't really address anything else I said. As far as imperfections in the universe, I stated that God allowed for there to be something outside of him to come into existence that we could choose and we did. As a result, the land became cursed. Now let me address what you have said: The Epicurean Paradox defies logic. With that argument one could say "darkness exists therefore the sun does not exist." Is the sun responsible for darkness? Or is the absence of the sun responsible for darkness? Are you omniscient, omnipotent, omnibenevolent? You must be to argue your points. You cannot state God is omnipotent, omniscient without giving sovereignty to God. That defies logic unless you yourself possess the same qualities as God? Correct what God has done if you have a problem with it. You can't? Because of his sovereignty? He is not here for us. He is here for God. You are not God, cannot correct what you think God has done wrong no matter how much disapproval you have. He is beyond your reproach. Your reproach means nothing to Him. Where is the universe you created? Show me one single tree you created on your own. Show me one ocean, mountain, river, or jungle that is here because of you. He is out of the realm of your reproach. You are bound by gravity, physics, and the natural law he created. He does not answer to you and never will. Your reproach changes nothing therefore God is beyond it. You are a mere man. When the ignorant argue with the omnipotent, they further prove their ignorance. 2 "Will the one who contends with the Almighty correct him? Let him who accuses God answer him!"
Best Meaningful Rap Songs

I commend my opponent for picking a great Nas song!Now, this next song isn't in the mainstream, so you all might not have heard it. It's a clever song in that it gives the listener the impression of missing an ex, but we find in the last verse that there is a second meaning. When that verse hits, the impact is felt straight to the heart. Atmosphere- YesterdayAnd when you left, I didn't see it comin' I guess I slept, it ain't like you was runnin' You crept out the front door slow And I was so self-absorbed I didn't even know And by the time I looked up it was booked up Put it all behind you, the bad and the good stuff A whole house full of dreams and steps I think you'd be impressed with the pieces I kept You disappeared but the history is still here It's why I try not to cry over spilt beer I can't even get mad that you're gone Leavin' me was probably the best thing you ever taught me I'm sorry, it's official I was a fist-full, I didn't keep it simple Chip on the shoulder, anger in my veins Had so much hatred, now it brings me shame Never thought about the world without you And I promise that I'll never say another bad word about you I thought I saw you yesterday But I knew it wasn't you, 'cause you passed away, dadhttp://www.youtube.com...
Best Meaningful Rap Songs

Thanks to Lickdafoot for posting this awesome song. Here is another awesome one. This one is by the same artist Nas, and it was really controversial but also a work of art. The artist comments about the days of slavery and calls for more tolerance. Here is a sampling of the lyrics:http://www.youtube.com...I'm a nigger, he's a nigger, she's a nigger, we some niggersWouldn't you like to be a nigger, too?To all my kike niggers, spic niggers, guinea niggers, chink niggersThat's right, y'all my niggaz, tooI'm a nigger, he's a nigger, she's a nigger, we some niggersWouldn't you like to be a nigger, tooThey like to strangle niggers, blamin niggers, shootin niggers, hangin niggersStill you wanna be a nigger, too? True..
Best Meaningful Rap Songs

Nas- One MicYo, all I need is one mic, one beat, one stage One n*gga front, my face on the front page Only if I had one love, one girl and one crib One God to show me how to do things his son did. .. I don't need to post any more of the lyrics for you to feel how powerful this song is- the music speaks for itself! . http://www.youtube.com...
Best Meaningful Rap Songs

Here is my rap song. "Gangster's paradise" by Coolio. . http://www.youtube.com...Here is a sampling of the lyrics:We keep spending most our livesLiving in the Gangsta's ParasidePower and the money, money and the powerMinute after minute, hour after hourEverybody's runnin, but half of them ain't lookinIt's goin on in the kitchen, but I dont know what's cookinThey say I got ta learn, but nobody's here to teach meIf they cant understand it, how can they reach me? I guess they cain't -- I guess they won'tI guess they front; that's why I know my life is outta luck, fool[Chorus]Tell me why are we -- so blind to seeThat the ones we hurt -- are you and meTell me why are we -- so blind to seeThat the ones we hurt -- are you and me. .. .
Best Meaningful Rap Songs

I've seen a couple debates on rap songs so I thought this would be fun.This is for rap songs that have a bit of deeper meaning than the typical ho's, money, drugs. Best songs win!I'll kick it off with the classic "Get By" by Talib Kweli heres a snipet of the lyrics:We sell, crack to our own out the back of our homesWe smell the musk at the dusk in the crack of the dawnWe go through "Episodes II," like "Attack of the Clones"Work 'til we break our back and you hear the crack of the boneTo get by.. just to get byJust to get by, just to get byWe commute to computersSpirits stay mute while your egos spread rumorsWe survivalists, turned to consumersJust to get by.. just to get byJust to get by, just to get byhttp://www.youtube.com...
Best Meaningful Rap Songs

http://www.youtube.com...Thanks to Lickdafoot for this awesome debate. This is the most fun I've had in a debate listening to all the songs. This song is called Taint and was done by the Dirty Heads. As you can see, they fuse rap and rock to make an amazing fusion.They talk about how the music industry and fans are ungrateful to bands like them and how they are different from most bands and they want to make it. I feel it is very inspiring since they talk from their personal experience and you could use that motivation in whatever goal you pursue. I agree with Lickdafoot:I urge the voters to vote not on who has most of their favorite artists, but on the quality of each song in the rounds. Lyrics:Well it's the two baddest long haired mother fvckers right here People call us dirt bags and you know that we just don't care If you relate to this statement let me see your hands Cause people hate on these things that they don't understand Supposedly yes we're all created equal Then why the fvck is there so many angry people like the fans and the industry They both got their complaintsSo now I'm stuck between an a**hole and a d*ck just like a taint A smile and a screw face a rock and a hard place a dream and realityWhich one would you chase? So if you're listening the definition of The Dirty Heads are here it's the beginning of We are the last sons past generations Left it to us to resonateReggae and hip hop dancehall to punk rock DH is here to generate We are the last sons past generations Left it to us they resonateIf you've been hated felt underratedThis one's for you we dedicate So cool and deadly, we rock it steady with these soul-moving medleysSo y'all get ready for this next sh*t eclectic calm and collective We write songs that keep the whole world connected And if you're ready for these brand new beginnings and And if you're sick of all the same old sh*tty bands You need something to brightens up the day-plan Kids me and you got so much to say manSo much emotion (so much inspiration)So much devotion (with no hesitation)So if you're listening, the definition of The Dirty Heads are here it's the beginning ofWe are the last sons past generations Left it to us to resonateReggae and hip hop we let the beat drop DH is here to generate We are the last sons past generations Left it to us they resonateIf you've been hated felt underratedThis one's for you we dedicate No time in my life for me to hesitate, we write these songs so we can resonate, DH is here to generate, dedicate these songs to all who can relate.We are the last sons past generations Left it to us to resonateReggae and hip hop dance hall to punk rock DH is here to generate We are the last sons past generations Left it to us they resonateIf you've been hated felt underratedThis one's for you we dedicate