The Umbrella Academy could defeat the Minute Men.

Oh where to start... To begin with, I'd like to point out that Cheesedingo1 has apparently forgotten several of the parameters agreed upon for this match. 1: We agreed that this battle would occur as a series of two-on-two duels with each character being used only ONCE. As we've already established, Manhattan is fighting The Rumour/The Boy and therefore CANNOT interfere with the Seance. 2: If you recall, the planet (set in neither universe) is surrounded by tachyons, which BLOCK his ability to know "the past, present, and future, and everything that will plan out" (Funny I seem to recall arguing with someone else on this site about this) 3: The whole premise of this debate, is an unplanned, unforseen, slugfest (in the form of duels) between 12 characters and 12 characters only. The Horror will not be used as there isn't enough revealed about him to be useful to me in this debate. Rorschach will NOT be used twice. Finally there can be NO outside interference, especially from God. As this is a FICTIONAL scenario with FICTIONAL characters, I seriously doubt God is going to worry about this sorta thing. 4: My opponant has neglected to include The Comedian in his rebuttal. You might want to address that. 5: His argument comment regarding Leonardo and Raphael makes no sense and he has obviously missed the point of the analogy. 6: Dan actually CAN'T "get it up" unless he's in his NiteOwl suit. Seriously, read the comic. That is really sad and kinda creepy. If he were as awesome as Batman, not only would he be able to "get it up" at the drop of her pants, he would be able to do it multiple times. (Read Batman:The Widening Gyre.) 7: Obviously my opponent doesn't watch much TV, many movies or Avengers comics. People sleeping around doesn't cause team bonding, it just makes things awkward and tense between them. Like when Green Arrow slept with Black Canary (Don't remember the issue, but it was shortly after he came back from the dead) Hawkman loses his birdseed and tries to smash Ollie's head in with the mace. And Carter and Dinah weren't even seeing eachother. 8: The reason I attacked TWO points was due to the 8,000 character limit. Plus, they're kinda prominent flaws of the characters you seem to adore. At the risk of beating a dead horse, I'd like to draw the attention of our dear readers back to the Spaceboy/Kraken teamup. My opponant said: "the rest of the team will be occupied by the rest of the Minutemen, and nothing will hold back Spaceboy from finishing him off." I must apologize as I do tend to ramble and clump my text together, as my opponant OBVIOUSLY couldn't finish reading my long-winded argument. 00.01 and 00.02 ONLY fight when there ISN'T an enemy around. HINT: That would be NiteOwl and Spectre ;) Ultimately, when push comes to shove (like the TMNT) they have eachother's backs. (Remember the whole saving eacthothers live's thing?) You wanna talk about dysfunctional teams? [SPOLERS ABOUND] Ozymandias KILLED The Comedian. Manhattan KILLED Kovacs. How many fatalities due to in-team fighting does the Umbrella Academy Have? Zero. Back to the Jetpack vs Owlship: Remember how this battle is set in New York CITY. Now I've never been myself, but it's my understanding that there are a LOT of buildings in New York. Many of them are clumped quite close together. Please see my previous argument regarding maneuverability. And yes, while Archie IS heavily armed, that doesn't automatically guarantee the victory. Do yourself a favor and go watch Star Wars: A New Hope. Notice how the smaller, faster X-Wings are able to destory the MASSIVE Deathstar, despite being outgunned. As for the weapons themselves: Screechers- Granted, MIGHT disorient Space, but the guy's been around so many explosions, loud noises probably don't even phase him. Or if he flies above them, their effect will be diminished. Blower: I'm taking the high road. I could be so crude about this. Besides, what's Dry Ice gonna do to a guy who can withstand the lack of temperature IN SPACE (thought to be somewhere around the -270 C mark, a good 200 LESS than Dry Ice) Flamethrowers: Short range. I think Space is smart enough to NOT go near fire, assuming he ISN'T impervious. Water Cannons: The guy can knock down the Eiffel Tower. I don't think a bit of water is gonna do more than make him smell funny. Missiles/Chainguns: Missiles can be dodged, especially by someone who can dodge lasers. Chainguns do NOT have unlimited ammo. All Space has to do is dodge and weave between the numerous buildings until Dan runs dry. Plus, look at Archie, he has so many blind spots it's not funny. Space can easily take down the Owlship from behind before it can turn. All it would take is a lampost jammed into a turbine. Back to Kraken: The ability to hold his breath forever isn't limited to underwater. Otherwise, why not just give him gills? That would make him almost impossible to choke out. Given in my previous arguments how quick and accurate Kraken is with his knives, Laurie will be lucky to even SEE the knife coming before she gets stuck like bloated catapillar. KRAKEN HAS GUERILLA WARFARE under his belt. As if he WOULDN'T just hide and slash her throat when she walks past. He took out at least five VC Vampires, close quaters and Simultaneously. THAT is how good he is. And I said she MIGHT beat him in unarmed combat, but seeing as he won't be unarmed, it won't be a problem. Plus NYC has the Hudson and the East Rivers. Rivers are made of WATER. Rumour: [Spoilers] Rumour DID go through a divorce. It probaby messed her up, but it doesn't matter in the long run, because she's really in love with Luther (Vol 2, pg 152) Seriously dude. Read the comics. Also she's one of the good guys. Good guys don't FORCE people to love them. I also said that we DON'T KNOW her limits either. And just because Manhattan COULD come back, doesn't mean that he WILL. The Boy: Tell you what. Why don't you go try catching a bullet with your bare hands. Even if by some fluke you DO manage this, then try with a whole clip at 600 rounds per minute from ALL DIRECTIONS AT ONCE (Remember the greatly enhanced speed) Veidt's plan worked because he'd been planning it for a few years. With the kid's combined speed, strength, experience, flight abiities and total accuracy, Ozy will be down in seconds, if he's lucky. Remember, there's no prep time in this battle and Adrian has NEVER encountered someone like this. Is grasping at straws an Olympic event now? You'd do well my friend. SEANCE: Like you said, he's a 'mini-Dr. Manhattan' where as The Comedian/Rorshach are mere humans. Coincidentally, the ones that died. Here's a taste of some of the fun, fun, FUN ways he could kill either of the Dunderheaded Duo. Flight: He just has to pick one up, fly quite high and drop them on their heads. Telekinesis: The Seance can halt a Forty Thousand ton Rock (Vol One: Chapter Six) I'd say Eddie and Walt weigh significantly less than that. Can anyone say "Into Orbit?" Or he could beat them to death with a building. I doubt he WOULDN'T be able to stop bullets. Possesion: Read the Comic. Hazel and Cha-Cha are even more messed up than Eddie and Walt (they freaked out The Boy) and he was still able to posess Cha-Cha and force him to commit suicide. (Vol 2, page 98) Shoes: The only reason H&CC figured this out was their inside information from Temps Aeternalis and there's no way either E or W could get that information. Vanya: Her notes are powerful enough to cut people in half with a single note (Vol 1, Ch 4) or shatter ALL the windows of the mansion just by plucking a string or cut through solid stone. (Ch5) Neither man has a defense against that. They might be able to dodge the initial attack (doubtful, as neither would have ANY idea) but their luck wouldn't hold out. I'd like to say more, but I'm just about out of characters. SO REMEMBER: A VOTE FOR PRO IS A VOTE FOR LOGIC, REASON AND MY CHEMICAL ROMANCE!!! NTM OUT!