Does God Exist? Part 3

1) ONE MAN MANY WIVES- You stated that the law which allows a man to have many wives was to increase reproduction. I don't think that makes it OK. Back then, women were treated like an object, and fathers did sell their daughters. I think we can both agree this is immoral. I think this had a lot to do with it too. This is absurd - do you think it's moral to allow men to have two or more wives just because the population needs growing (which is an opinion - the population back then didn't really NEED growing so vastly). You know what ? If the population needs growing, why not make women have as much children as they can, starting from age 14? I don't think it is moral to ignore women rights so the population will grow faster. 2) GOOD AND BAD DEFINITIONS - Why can god say what's good and bad, and I can't say what's good and bad? You know what, you're right, our morals aren't the same, but I think it's shaping better and better through history, and I also think there are many issues that we can argue about and that's fine, and when we can - we should all let people choose for themselves. I don't really like how you present this - we both have pretty much the same morals, I think. I HOPE you think that having many women as wives is immoral. Your statements actually say that because I don't believe in a high authority I can't judge the bible (because for you good and bad is meaningless without God) which is actually a loop, which I find wrong. Just like God, to you, has his morals, I have my own morals - I think that if we would ignore our own morals and follow whatever the bible says this would not be a world where I could live in. If God exists, why don't his morals match up with mine ? Is his goal blind obedient people? And also - you say who am I to judge who has the best morals? There are other theological religions who have different morals than Christianity, and they also believe in God, or a different God. WHO ARE YOU TO DECIDE THAT YOU ARE RIGHT AND THEY ARE WRONG ? 3) A WORLD WE SHOULD LIVE IN - you're missing my point. Would you like to like in the bible world where daughters were OWNED by their fathers? Would you like to live in a world where rapists were by law FORCED TO MARRY their victims ? a world where having WAR PRISONERS as SLAVES is OK? I wouldn't. 3) GOOD PERSON BAD PERSON - I think the majority of the middle doesn't HAVE to classify into good and bad, it's neither. It doesn't really matter, too. Read again my argument, please, and answer again. I was giving a very harsh example just to make my point clearer. 4) GOOD WITHOUT GOD - 'A changed heart does not go on raping, killing, and joining the KKK. True faith, according to the Book of Galatians, leads to actions of love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control.' I disagree. You don't need to have a changed heart for all of that. I consider myself just like that, +-, just like you. As I stated before, your morality comes just like mine did, you just THINK it comes from the bible. Because I have almost 0% knowledge of the new testament (unlike the old one), I can't give you an example, but you know what - what if God made up all those rules just to test who follows his conscious and who just does what he says ? Think about the Nazi party! Back then, there were so many crazy racist rules. A man could say: they're the government, they know what they're doing, so I will follow these rules, or he can question them and reach his own conclusion. 5) HELL- I said 'fear people INTO A RELIGION.' so rewrite your whole paragraph there... it's really funny that according to Christianity the only thing that can get you to heaven is your faith, so actually - I can be a good person regardless of my theological belief, so fearing hell has nothing to do with raping, murmuring etc. people do that god and godless. '...but the amazingly positive side is that God is freely and openly offering everyone salvation to heaven if we simply accept the invitation.' Even if I wanted to, I couldn't believe in God. There's no proof. It doesn't make sense to me. I could go to church and pray and do all that - but if God really wants me to truly believe in him, he has to give me proof. It's not a matter of choice to me. What if I said that according to a (made up) religion you must believe in a God named Bella to go to heaven and if not you will be thrown into hell, where you'll suffer for eternity in a pond of fire? There is no proof to Bella, you just couldn't believe it even if you wanted to, right? And let me add that the people who believe in hell are the ones who are NOT going to it, right? to me it seems like a long time ago, when Christianity rose, it was easy to give hope and make the people more united with their faith if they said: you will be rewarded, THEM JEWS, MUSLIMS, ATHEISTS ETC WHO ARE WRONG, will SUFFER in HELL. NO - THE FACT THAT PEOPLE BELIEVE IN GOD DOESN'T MAKE THEM BETTER -' It protects society, it helps people stop breaking laws, and it scares other potential criminals' - you can be good without God, and you actually said it yourself before, in the last argument. and it's not like Christianity vanished crime from earth, so apparently that didn't work. 6) THE 'I DON'T KNOW' ANSWER - I think I wrote this before, but again: Ancient Egypt. Everyone around you believe in the mighty lord Ra. You don't. It doesn't make sense to you. You have a discussion with a religious ancient Egyptian who is a big fan of Ra. 'If Ra doesn't exist, how were the universe created?' said the Ra fan. In that time, you can't possibly be even close the 'correct answer' so the 'right' thing to say is: I don't know. It's not nearly close to when a teacher asks you a question and you don't know the answer. When a teacher asks you a question, is because she knows you know/you're supposed to know the answer. It's more like going to a 3rd grader asking him about string theory. He can't know the answer, therefore 'I don't know' is the best answer he can give. He can simply make up that string theory is a theory that says a rope can read your thoughts. That to me, is religion. 'We don't know the answer but we really want to, so let's make something up.' WHY GOD EXISTS: 1-3: see 6 and 2. according to that you can believe in just every religion, because all religions give answers to those questions. So why aren't you a Buddhist? Jewish? Muslim? Hindu? etc. 4- *Christianity is a missionary religion. Both Christianity and Islam are missionary religions, which is logical, because these are the two most common religions on earth (31%, 23%) further more, only 392 years after the birth of Jesus, the roman empire made Christianity the ONLY religion allowed. They BANNED ALL OTHER RELIGIONS. It's no wonder Christianity became so popular. It was the only choice. If back then you wanted to be accepted in society and not be hunted by the government, you had to become Christian. At one time, many people believed in Zeus, Odin etc. Doesn't make it true. Truth is not a democracy. You say: 'It could have been wiped out many times early on, but it only grew more when governments tried to suppress it' - well so did other religions, and you can say that Judaism is the right religion because the fact that Hitler didn't kill all Jews is proof that it is true, and also - the Jewish people were for much longer than Christians hunted by other religions, but they didn't give up their faith, so what? Doesn't make it true. 'Christianity was not created from legends and myths. It was created from historical, recorded events by real people. A man named Jesus really lived. People were eyewitnesses to him performing great miracles. People saw him die and rise.' ummm No. Where is your proof to that? People claim that they were eyewitnesses to him performing great miracles. People have claimed to see him die and rise. So what? People also claim that they saw and spoke to aliens, doesn't make it true. You have claims like that in every religion. I can claim to you right now that yesterday when I went to the supermarket, I saw the flying spaghetti monster. SO WHAT IF I CLAIM THAT? Even if Jesus did exist (and he probably did) there is no evidence that he spoke to God, that he preformed miracles, that he rose from the dead etc. In the Nordic mythology, many of the stories also have characters of people who really did exist (Nordic kings), but it doesn't prove Odin is real. According to your arguments, you could just as easily could have been a Muslim, for example. Why do you Christianity is right and Islam is wrong, if your arguments can easily be said on the Islam religion? (which is of course an example to show my point). I want in the next entry for you to try to 'convince' me to be a Christian. I think that will be interesting. And another thing - before I became atheist, I checked out the whole concept of God and I also learned a little about each religion, and my conclusion was that all of it was, in pretty words, incorrect. Have you checked other religions before you became a religious Christian? Thank you for your fast respond.