A Man Can Never Be A True Women.

Thanks for accepting and for your contribution. You said; " Suicide rates and your impression of individual mental states will not warrant a further mention seeing that you sited a web article, which blatantly contradicts every point you made on the subject." Okay, that"s fine. It"s somewhat moot anyway, since my only position here is to show that a man can never be a true women. I wasn"t here to prove that suicide rates among trans people are insanely high " which they are. Nor am I here to debate why that might be. Ignoring those suicide rates isn"t going to bring them down though. Parcelling up the blame and putting it upon everyone else won"t do it either. I would suggest coming to terms with what you really are would be the most helpful and healthy thing in the long run. Or as one trans person put it" 'I have always longed to be a woman, but no amount of surgery can give me an actual female body and I feel like I am living a lie. 'It is exhausting putting on make-up and wearing heels all the time. Even then I don't feel I look like a proper woman. 'I suffered from depression and anxiety as a result of the hormones too. 'I have realised it would be easier to stop fighting the way I look naturally and accept that I was born a man physically.' You said; "In response to your first assertion, which I hope you don"t lean on as evidence supporting your position, beauty is subjective. Your perception of which is not a criterion for womanhood. Nor can the natural/augmented status of the breasts be a viable criterion. Many non transgender women certainly have implanted breasts, natural breasts, or no breasts at all. We all love boobies! However, they certainly don"t denote womanhood." That is correct. Beauty is subjective. My position here was not to show that beauty is objective. My position here is to show that a man can never be a true women. Physiology and biology are not subjective. Beauty most surely is. Whether one is a man or a women is not subjective. One can objectively identify male and female babies in a maternity ward. How cute a person considered each baby to be would be subjective. You said; "However, I would take this further by pointing out that a female need not be a woman. I believe this to be uncontroversial. For example, a female baby is not called a woman, but rather a baby. A female primary school age child is not called a woman, but rather a girl.." That is correct. A female baby would be called a baby girl. A female primary school aged child would be called a girl. At a certain age the girl is then naturally considered a women. A female baby never grows up to be a man. A female school child never grows up to be a man (or vice versa). This can only be done artificially, with make- up, surgery and hormone tablets. At the very best you can deceive the eye, at least for a short time. You said; "Womanhood is not predicated on strict adherence to double X-chromosome bearing physical femaleness. Many woman, identified by themselves and others as such, exhibit a variety of physical and genetic traits. To say these women are not women would be at least going against the heard, and more likely an act of bigoted stubbornness. This goes to show that Woman, is not a statement of genital arrangement, nor of chromosome possession. Rather, Woman, is a statement of identity, both to one"s self and to the community"." Being "bigoted" doesn"t come into it and alluding to this isn"t good form in a debate. Your definition of womanhood seems to abandon biology and physiology and come down to "you are whatever you think you are". That"s how it is reading to me. Here"s the bad news " you aren"t. I am the height I am, I am the race I am, and I am the gender that I am. These are all statements of self- evident fact and not, as you curiously state, born from "bigotry". Of course I am going to be "stubborn" about what is clearly true. If someone wanted to argue that because they felt like they were six foot four but they were a foot shorter, I am obviously not just going to cave in and play along with their delusion. People are free to kid themselves if they wish. General society should not feel obligated or bullied into going along with the pretence. A man can obviously never be a true women. A women can never be a true man. We do society a massive disservice to pretend otherwise, and it is appalling to legally obligate anyone to buy into this lie that a man can be a women "if they think they are". One can no more change their gender than they can their race. You do get lots of black women that use skin lightener. Does it make them white? No " just black women with make- up. You do get white people that go as dark as an Indian having been on a sun bed. Does it make them Indian? Of course not, they are just a white person with a tan. Just where and when does the insanity end? Facebook recently changed their gender criterion. There are now over SEVENTY options. "UK Facebook users can now choose from one of 71 gender options, including asexual, polygender and two-spirit person, following the feature's successful integration in the US. Users can choose a different gender option from the previous male and female choices by selecting 'custom' in the gender tab of their profiles. In addition, people who select a custom gender will now have the ability to choose the pronoun they"d like to be referred to publicly " male (he/his), female (she/her) or neutral (they/their). " http://www.telegraph.co.uk... If someone doesn"t see that ^^ as an outright farce then I don"t really know where they would draw the line with anything. What if one started to claim they had "always felt like a cat as a child"? Do we surgically graft a tail onto them and feed them fish? When you start giving credence to the deluded it becomes one giant race to the bottom. This for example is tantamount to child abuse. "Children as young as four are receiving lessons from transgender campaigners " including a man who revealed to primary school classes that he is a "trans man" and was "assigned female" at birth. Thousands of pupils have had the controversial classes, in which they are encouraged to explore their "gender identities" and are questioned on what being a transsexual means, The Mail on Sunday can reveal. Up to 20 primary schools a year pay for the classes, given by campaigners" organisation Gendered Intelligence. Parents" groups have reacted with concern that pupils may be "frightened" by the workshops, while experts warned the lessons may confuse young children""." Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk... Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook This poor child is clearly and most obviously not mentally well. You have to question the parental role in this. Meet Paddy, the transgender eight-year-old "Paddy McGuire was born a boy, but from the age of two, began to wear skirts, played with dolls and read books aimed at girls. Now aged eight, Paddy says she is and always has been, a girl." http://www.itv.com...