L-M Classic: patsox834 vs. feverish.

First, I'm going to address what I previously couldn't. "Saying he's a trickster does not put him on the level of a supreme being like Buddha who is most definitely a trickster too." What we have to remember is that being a trickster means you're highly adept at pulling the wool over others' eyes. And then we have to remember that Bugs is an excellent trickster; this is an attribute given to him. Knowing that he possesses this skill, the same one Buddha has, no less, it's not at all unreasonable to think Bugs can fool members of team feverish. "My bad, it is his nature rather than his spirit but I don't see much distinction. It is mentioned in the spoken introduction to every episode." Non-canonical. The attribute being given to Monkey is from a television show. My opponent is trying to mix and match the link he gave with his original canon. "Starks is the greatest inventor in the Marvel universe where psychics are abundant, his shields would be serious and the slow Mewtwo would not get through them fast enough before Tony blew him to bits." Mewtwo's slow according to the Super Smash Brothers games, which isn't apart of my canon. Mewtwo is a psychic warrior; he's no run-of-the-mill Marvel psychic. Again, he's arguably the strongest Pokemon, and the strongest psychic type. Yeah, Iron Man's shields are "serious," but Mewtwo's vicious powers are equivalent in "seriousness." "I don't think my opponent can reasonably post a source and expect us to ignore the parts that disagree with his argument," I have not done so. With Spawn, especially, I've made it very clear what his powers and abilities are for the purpose of this debate. "I should also point out that a source specifies a canon and is not a canon in itself." But I did specify that the source I used to give Spawn his attributes for the purpose of this debate is a "canon within itself." Onto feverish's last argument. "I presented clear arguments for Dracula's potentially greater power, based on his vastly greater experience as well as the extreme effort required by Storm against the minimal effort required by the Count." I think this is a falsehood. There is no reason whatsoever to believe that Dracula's powers over the weather are on the level of Storm's; my opponent's canon is vague when it comes to this power, so we can't know how limited nor how powerful Dracula's weather manipulation is, which is why this specific power is wishy-washy. Moreover, my opponent's case for Dracula being stronger was already refuted, although he did say my analogy is "irrelevant," without giving a real reason why. This seems to be the common theme throughout my opponent's case. I'll touch on that soon enough, though. "No evidence or even logic backs up my opponent's argument about Storm's raw power." My canon does. It goes gives a long description about Storm's abilities; that's my basis for claiming she has more power than Dracula. Really, Dracula's powers over weather are very questionable; the magnitude of the aforementioned powers are very vague, so there's no real basis to the claim that he could match Storm. "Comparing the difference between the talents of human baseball players is pretty irrelevant when comparing an ancient undead sorcerer and a young mutant." As I said, my analogy is being called irrelevant with no real basis. I must ask: why is it "irrelevant?" That's what analogies do, though: find similarities between two (or maybe more) things for the purpose of comparison, such as the abilities of a baseball player and a "hero," though Dracula isn't much of a hero, but yeah. "Pro describes Drac's powers as "wishy-washy", his justification being that the source was vague about specifics. I think this is a baseless conclusion." Why? I've given reasons as to why it isn't. "Temperatures and sunlight are two separate aspects of weather," No. Sunlight is the cause of high temperatures. "it is sunlight rather than temperature that can slightly weaken Dracula." But if the temperature is increased, then the sunlight has to be, as well. "My opponent also suggests that to draw enough moisture from the air to create a small rain cloud over oneself would be more difficult than to alter the conditions of the whole city, which is clearly ridiculous." Why is it ridiculous? I don't see why it would be. "Patsox continues to compare Dracula with the Satan character but careful reading of this source shows that the demons were loyal to Satan because of his status rather than because he controlled them through a specific superpower like Dracula does." More reading will show this: "Being the supreme ruler of Hell, every other Lord, including Mammon and Malebolgia, must answer to Satan's will." Spawn actually defeated Malebolgia in issue 100 of the Spawn comic book series, and then took over the eighth circle of hell, which was the part of hell where Malebolgia previously reigned. Spawn did turn down the powers that came with this crown, but even so, he was put in the position of being a Lord of hell, and even then, he didn't obey satan, both when he was a god, and when he wasn't. Clearly, if Satan couldn't control Spawn when he was in a position where he was supposed to, then an attempt to do so by Dracula, who's much weaker than Satan, would be futile. Of course, we must consider Satan's powers: "Immortality, Invulnerability, Supernatural strength, Massive destructive as well as Virtual-omnipotent power while being the supreme ruler of Hell." "It is a separate ability, also possessed by Dracula." Neither will work on Spawn, though, as I think I've extensively shown. "How would any of team Pro get anywhere near Dracs with the garlic & crucifix," A crucifix is easy to assemble, and garlic can be found by someone who can teleport (Spawn or Mewtwo.) "The sun won't bother him under a cloud or in the sewer." We have no reason to think Dracula's powers over the weather are great enough to create a cloud over himself -- even if it did, clouds are essentially composed of moisture; when Storm turns the heat up, clouds would simply advance in the water cycle. "None of my strategies so far involve physical involvement from Dracula and he has been shown to use all the powers he utilises in this battle over significant distances." If he's in a sewer while everyone else is battling, then yes, he's removed from the battle. And let's assume Dracula can use his powers over long distances (I'd like to see where it says that, too): I'm not sure how that's relevant. While he wouldn't be that far away, he wouldn't really know what was going on if he was standing in a sewer while everyone else was battling. "Please specify where the source demonstrates Mewtwo's planet destroying winds." Below the information I gave in my initial post. "The city is impervious to structural damage so one would simply need to duck inside a building to be safe from even the most powerful winds." If they're in buildings, then they won't be hard to locate. "Mewtwo is just too slow to react to be able to evade my super fast characters, it will be dead before it can contemplate teleporting," I see no reason why this would be the case. Mewtwo has a high intellectual prowess, which its abilities rely heavily on. It'd be able to see what's coming *very* quickly, and then utilize its teleportation. Also, Mewtwo can just put up a barrier if he chooses, or he can reflect the attack back at team feverish. We have to remember, Buckethead's abilities haven't been used all that much, but he is capable of stunning team feverish temporarily, which is enough to give my team a great chance to strike. I'm about to run out of characters, but before I do: remember, Spawn is capable of using his cape to hide my whole team, which puts a hole in team feverish's schemes. It wouldn't be impossible to find them, but it'd certainly be difficult.