Puppy mills should be illegalized

" Since there are so many laws protecting dogs, puppy mills should be considered one of them. " Since there are so many laws mandating the stoning of adulterers, America should get one too. Does not follow :). " Yes, it would be going backwards for him. :) " in other words, you concede that it doesn't matter what would be "going backwards." " ...Do you have any pets? Would you care if someone abused those pets? " No I do not. If I did, I would care because it would be MY pet, and no one but me would have the right to abuse it (and it's kind of pointless to abuse it). But the dogs in question belong to the puppy mill until sold, thus, it only matters if they care-- if a potential buyer cares, they are quite able to boycott without need for laws involved. " Because everybody would be thinking, " oh I don't have enough food. Let's not feed Fido until we get enough money in two weeks. " Irrelevant until you can demonstrate why Fido's stomach is government business. " (Not feeding your animals is illegal: malnutrition.) " Again, an appeal to what our current policies are to prescribe future ones, which is logically invalid until one demonstrates the validity of the current ones. " But that sugar won't come home and be scared to death because they never have been outside of a cage or socialized with people, will they? " How do you know? Are you not a sugarcane? http://www.collegian.psu.edu... Fear is not relevant to rights, reason and reciprocity are. " There are such conditions as these above..." This paragraph does not address my point. " So, if your job stopped paying you, and stores stopped selling food, you wouldn't try to change anything? You wouldn't tell your job that you worked so they need to pay you? Oh, sorry, I forgot, "Need is not a rightful claim" " This has nothing to do with need. This has to do with a breach of contract. A contract is a rightful claim. When presenting a counterexample, first make sure it actually exemplifies the subject matter in question. "As I have mentioned in previous rounds, puppies do not get the proper food supply they need. The quote above comes from ANIMAL LAWS AND REGULATIONS." As I have mentioned many times in previous rounds, what the current laws are does not demonstrate what they should be. "That puppy mills should be illegal" That is not a "right."It isn't even phrased as one. " So is it okay to beat you kids? They are yours, after all." No, they are not. A kid is rightfully property of themselves, once they can reason, so long as they reciprocate on rights. " I think puppy mills should be illegal because most of the things they do are illegal," I think living should be illegal because most of the things you need to do to live have been illegal for someone somewhere :). "and it would better to shut them down, instead of running the cruel business. It would be better for the puppy's sake (and if that's not good enough, it would also be better for the buyer's sake, because they would not have to worry about getting a puppy that is sick or mentally sick, somehow." Until the buyer has bought, neither the buyer nor the puppy is rightfully relevant. The current owner is. Just like it's not illegal to paint your car, even if someday you might sell it.