Artificial Human #17 would have likely defeated Piccolo if Cell hadn't arrived...

================== RE: Technique Arguments | ================== 1) A) The instigator attempts to argue that Piccolo's super large body technique would not be usable in this battle since the super large body technique has never been used during DBZ. However (ladies and gentleman), this is a very flawed argument as it uses reasoning which may very well be my opponent's downfall during this battle. Just because he hasn't used the technique during DBZ is not a reason for us to assume that he could not use the technique at all. This is simply nothing more than a question of writing (or better yet, plot induced stupidity [1]) . Not to mention that if I were to go by PRO's reasoning, I could say that we haven't seen Piccolo lose to a foe who was more or less superfluous to the plot at a particular point in time (which #17 was, granted that Cell had the "big bad villain status" at this point in time and #17 was merely fodder for him as we saw in the actual series), hence suggesting that there is no way Piccolo would lose (especially with being the author's favorite character and all) to #17 in battle. B) PRO attempts to argue that Piccolo's technique poses a potential hazard to the user, but I preemptively struck down this argument in R1. The problem with the technique is becoming TOO big. This enabled Goku to travel into Piccolo's mouth, do some damage and retrieve Kami. Had Piccolo simply decreased his size a little bit, he could have continued the battle in this form as we saw no other penalty to this method. 2) Next, the instigator argues that there has never been a case where Piccolo has shown himself capable of using the multiform technique AT ALL in the actual manga. Although this is true, it doesn't lead us to the conclusion that Piccolo is incapable of doing this. Heck, if I recall correctly, it was Kam utilizing a more advanced version of this technique which enabled Piccolo to exist in the first place. Not to mention that Piccolo has shown himself as an adapt user of transmutation, given how he had managed to conjure clothing onto Gohan at several points in the series (2). He could just as easily create a temporary clone. Furthermore, we've seen Piccolo manifest additional versions of himself all the way back during Dragon Ball (3,4). Based on this latter method, he wouldn't even lose any energy when it came to conjuring a distraction needed to deal with #17 and could eliminate him at full strength. ============ FIGHTING SKILL | =========== #1: RE: The case for bluffs Although I agree with my opponent that there are often comments made in attempt to psychologically get to their adversaries, such was unlikely in this particular instance of commenting on the fight. When reading this comment, we must ask ourselves: Why compliment #17's speed? If Piccolo wanted to effectively get to him, the proper manner of doing this would be to insult every aspect of him. In addition, why would there be any moment of doubt in Piccolo bluffing as we saw on the panels? As we can see on the page, #17 is temporarily stunned by Piccolo's comment (bottom panel)(5) Although #17 eventually convinced himself otherwise, we did see him undermining himself. There'd be no reason do that unless there were some basis for Piccolo's assertions. As far as #17 leaving an imprint on Piccolo's back, this is utterly meaningless once one understands the bio-makeup of Piccolo's body. Based on him having the ability to stretch his arms as well as change his shape and size, he clearly has some similarities to Monkey D. Luffy from One Piece; his body is very elastic to a certain extent. As for Piccolo "keeling" over, this is because #17 knocked him down. This is the obvious reaction. However, based on how easily Piccolo managed to recover and leap back into a solid stance even after such a "devastating blow", it is clear that #17's attack was hardly effective and that Piccolo's claims were made out of honesty. Finally, in terms of most of Piccolo's attacks being blocked, evaded or countered, I beg to differ. The blows Piccolo took before he made the comment about #17 were directly after #17 stated he would not hold back any longer. Based on how the pace of the fight changed directly afterward (with #17 scarcely even managing to land any blows), Piccolo was most likely testing out his full strength (i.e. LETTING him get in some blows). #2. RE: A skill beyond design. PRO argues that since Dr. Gero had studied the Z fighters in advance, distracting #17 or relying on techniques would be useless. However, Piccolo obviously refined his skills during the 3 years that he trained in preparation for the Androids (years which were not included in Dr.Gero's research). This is quite likely since #17 had no idea that Piccolo was covering the battlefield with energy bullets which he had intended to use in the first place. This is indicated by him easily falling for such a trap in the first place. Furthermore, the success of the energy barrier only serves to indicate that Piccolo underestimated #17 and didn't use enough power in his numerous ki blasts (which makes sense granted that he would have to be concerned about having enough ki to take down #18 and #16 as well . . . as it's not like they are just going to sit around and do nothing if he is successful in killing #17). Next, I'm not sure what my opponent is referring to in terms of there being a low success rate in inflicting damage. In reading the two chapters, Piccolo managed to get in many blows. The problem is that #17's stamina enables him to keep on going and that only his body was getting damaged. I've already discussed this idea of Piccolo receiving the most hits and invite PRO to argue against it. In addition, in reading the remainder of the battle, you'll note that Piccolo matches each and everyone one of 17's blows and dodges (6 - 10) #3. The hourglass of fatigue. My claim has a vast basis when taking DBZ into consideration. There have been many battles won that didn't revolve around who had superior strength/stamina. Take Gohan's battle with Cell into consideration. The two were virtually equal (with Cell possibly having the advantage), yet due to Vegeta landing an attack while Cell's guard was down, this enabled Gohan to finish him off with ease (11-13). The same applies to Goku's rematch with Vegeta during the Buu saga. Although both fighters were equal, Vegeta managed to K.O him in one blow while his guard was down (14). Although not resulting in victory, another instance of this is when both trunks and goten managed to temporarily topple the fat Buu due to hitting him while his guard was down (15). Bypassing someone's guard and hitting them means a HECK OF A LOT MORE than having limitless energy. As you can see in my above contentions, I've shown that Piccolo has every ability to do this during this battle. And that'll do it for now. ========== SOURCES: ========== #1. http://tvtropes.org... #2. http://www.mangafox.com... #3. http://www.mangafox.com... #4. http://www.mangafox.com... #5. http://www.mangafox.com... #6. http://www.mangafox.com... #7. http://www.mangafox.com... #8. http://www.mangafox.com... #9. http://www.mangafox.com... #10. http://www.mangafox.com... #11. http://www.mangafox.com... #12. http://www.mangafox.com... #13. http://www.mangafox.com... #14. http://www.mangafox.com... #15. http://www.mangafox.com...