Mongeese's Ultimate Team War

"Sure it is. I never used two sources to give Mewtwo any powers, equipment, etc. Mewtwo's powers were generally described, and then it was mentioned that he/she/it uses a piece of equipment specifically in the manga. I didn't use anything 'non-canonical. '" In the anime, he had the ability to use people as puppets. In the manga, he had the ability to use a spoon. Pick one. "But that's all irrelevant, because I've already addressed these points in my second round argument; my opponent has chosen not to put forth a retort to the argument *I* put forth; he's merely using the same argument I addressed, which means my argument stands. " Doctor Manhattan still doesn't have a limit. .. which makes him against the rules. .. "Explain how, then. Just because my opponent says it doesn't make it so. He's again stating something which I've already addressed, and not providing an un-rebutted rationale. Again, whether the planet is 'Margaritaville' or not is completely independent from Manhattan's ability to cease time. " Time does not pass naturally in Margaritaville. It is always five-o'-clock. You think time is passing, but it isn't. The sun always stays in the same place, right on the horizon. The tide doesn't change. The clock is frozen. Such is the beauty of Margaritaville. "This doesn't make any sense. .. at all. Absolutely none. If time is stopped *already,* then Doctor Manhattan's work is already done for him, which is an advantage for me. Simple as that. " Time is stopped, but it doesn't actually immobilize anybody. So, it's a different kind of stopped time than what Doctor Manhattan would wish for. "And my opponent has demonstrated a lack of understanding of the science behind time stoppage -- let me explain: "To be in motion requires speed; speed is dependent on time; therefore, if time stops, so does speed, which means you cannot be in motion. Not only that, but light would be unable to be perceived and the flow of oxygen and sound would stop completely. "Just because the people in 'Margaritaville' don't perceive time's stoppage doesn't mean it isn't stopped. If the time is stopped at 5 o'clock, then the effects of time stoppage will consequently occur, too, which means all my opponent's team are completely at the will of Doctor Manhattan, considering his powers make it so that he wouldn't be affected. " Since when is Margaritaville a science? Doctor Manhattan doesn't exactly follow the laws of science, either. Margaritaville freezes our concept of time at five-o'-clock, nullifying any additional time powers. The margarita trumps all. "You can't put something which was evaporated back together, because there wouldn't be any visible traces of it remaining. And so what if it's protected my dark magic? 1: I don't see how that counteracts Manhattan and the Surfer's ability to manipulate anything composed of matter; 2: nowhere in my opponent's chosen source does it say that the Puzzle is protected by 'dark magic,' which means he's applying something which is "non-canonical," which is in violation of the rules. " The Millennium Puzzle *is* dark magic. Nowhere in your member descriptions is any ability to traverse through dimensions mentioned. "As for the idea of the Triforce of Courage offering protection. .. I already addressed and debunked it; my opponent is yet again rehashing arguments. Using arguments which have already been negated probably isn't the best way to go. .. just sayin'. " What? It does. .. ". .. besides, the Triforce *has* to be composed of energy or matter, which means it is, indeed, susceptible to Manhattan and the Surfer's ability to manipulate those two things. " This obviously means that they have unlimited ability. "Underage people drink. Besides, if a teammate did decide to attack them in a drunken rage, they'd have to defend themselves, whether they were drunk or not. " Link and Yugi still don't drink. They could run. Drunk people trip. "Again, I've addressed the 'unlimited powers' argument. My opponent really needs to get some material which hasn't been negated. " "If Ganondorf is made of energy or matter, than yeah, he's susceptible to being evaporated. " The Triforce of Power holds his body together. "And, well, my opponent says 'sending him into space wouldn't defeat him,' but he doesn't back himself up. It'd be kinda hard for him to be in battle when he's busy at the outer limits of the universe, no? Plus, my opponent never rebutted the strategy of sending him to a planet and then destroying it, so it stands. " If Ganondorf is in space, he's just floating out there. Neither side wins. Blowing up the planet still wouldn't destroy Ganondorf. Manhattan obviously doesn't have a limit. "So no, I haven't broken the rules. My opponent is attempting to distort them in the middle of the debate to fit his argument. Unfortunately, it doesn't work that way, so it really is too bad for him. " Manhattan still doesn't have a limit. .. "My opponent can either stick to his distorted rule and have it used against him, or he can realize it's irrelevant. Either way, it's good for me. " Well, at least Ganondorf can be defeated. Thing is, you've never asked how. There's one thing that can defeat Ganondorf. Finally, it really doesn't matter, because thanks to Jimmy Buffett, everybody on Team CON is enjoying multiple rounds of margaritas, and they don't have a care beyond that. Same with much of Team PRO. Such is Margaritaville. Margaritaville neutralizes the fight. Anyways, this leaves three options: 1. CON has broken Rule 2 multiple times, with an apparently unlimited Doctor Manhattan and Silver Surfer, and therefore loses the debate. 2. Both teams are wasting away in Margaritaville, so it's a draw. 3. Team PRO hides in the Shadow Realm, where Team CON can't get to. Therefore, it's a draw. That leaves either a victory for PRO or a tie. It's your pick.