Jacobgunter started what I thought would be a great debate topic... Lets go from where he left off-

This is the last round and I sincerely hope that it isn't offensive to you. Thank you for the debate and I am glad we made it all four rounds. Here goes, Jacobgunter... You are just repeating the things I said in my last argument... Here is what I said- "However, punishing a state (Utah) for just not using NCLB is Republican hogwash, thats not the kind of choke holding I meant. As I understand it (and you have stated it) Utah created their own program and did well... They should make the states use NCLB unless they come up with an idea that proves to be more successful, in small areas first then state wide later." Here is what you said- "TO do the same to states like Utah who have a better program is unjust, and illogical. The government should be looking at what helps the people the best." Now the difference in my statement and yours is nothing... except at the end, I offered a solution, where you did not. Allow States to have their own method, and let them start in smaller regions and test the theory. I believe (as a democrat no less) in smaller government, less intrusion... But when it comes to school systems and education, I think the government needs a broader role. Stop saying NCLB in unconstitutional, it was voted in the Supreme Court not to be. Your opinion is here-say, the federal court said it is not, along with 32 state supreme courts. I already said the same program doesn't work everywhere as well, I feel as if you copied my argument down and reworded it. Of course it doesn't work everywhere. But the same general things are taught are they not? English, Math, Science, ect... Are these subjects different in Alaska? Are there not classes in Alaska who could benefit from the words of Shakespeare? There should be a general consensus of how NCLB works, and an outline to follow. Thats it. The rest should be up to the states. If Alaska wants to throw in Eskimo poetry, let them. If South Florida wants to throw in spanish courses... let them too. As long as there is a general innovative plan and everyone is on that page when the day is over. This seems to be your major argument...What you said about your algebra class sounds more like a dumb teacher than anything. It is not federally mandated anywhere that a student must do his work a certain way or be docked points. I will give you this, if you can find me the document, article and page of where it says it is federally mandated that a teacher should do this, I will concede this debate right here. It doesn't show how the federal government program is unsuccessful Jacob, it shows exactly what I have been saying. That is a faculty issue, not a national one. There is nothing wrong with a pass fail system. Everything is a pass fail system. When I took the ASVAB test, if I would have gotten under a 34 I would have failed and not been able to serve. When you take a field sobriety test, if you can blow under .08 you pass, if not you fail. Life is a pass fail system, so why wouldn't school testing be too? The only people I hear complaining about the pass fail system are on the losing end of it. School wise, it should definitely be pass/fail. But the students should be given the tools to pass, and the ones who fail should be given the help to redeem themselves. Cause trust me, school is the last time that anyone will care if you get left behind. Life is a lot harder. Yes I did say Utah did well... But go to www.onlineutah.com Their education system wasn't implemented overnight, it was a building process. Just like what I say the NCLB should help with. I also admitted that they were wrong to be punished for not using it. Once again Jacob I will say it.... Please pay attention this time. ---There should be a national No Child Left Behind Program that helps and forces poor and medium performing states to have a standard way of doing things. If a state comes about and has a better idea that they have been trying, they should be able to implement that theory into the system.---- The problem with your argument is that you blame everything on the government. Your teacher sucks so you blame the federal government... That is why you don't support the system. You have thrown numbers and facts and figures from various questionable websites. But what it truly came down to was a bad teacher in your algebra class. I seen earlier too that you said it was created to be political. I actually laughed when I read that. Jacob, everything is political. Do you think that the New Deal for Roosevelt was 100% for the good of America? How about Bill Clinton's Nation health care program? Every single program that anyone creates is created for political reasons. If nobody cares, then what is the point of them iniating it? ::Theoretically:: If tomorrow kids started downloading music from websites and a large named band popped up, well just call them Metallica...and said that isn't fair, and all the support of the music industry fell on Washington, how long do you think it would take the bureaucrats to initiate a program called the "Internet Protection Agency?" You think lawmakers care if i'm downloading bestiality pornography? Nope. But they sure do care if I download a CD... Everythings political. People care about education, and in turn that is how democracy works, because they are forced to care about what we do. We have all the power. We run the issues. Ohhhhhh here we go again Jacob, for the 6th time you have said it's unconstitutional... There once was a guy named Jacobgunter, who was kinda smart But he showed otherwise by repeatedly calling NCLB unconstitutional on its part When really he was like a parrot who repeated untrue facts He loses the debate because he has nothing original except personal setbacks -Because his entire argument is about something that has been elaborated by the supreme court and shown to NOT BE UNCONSTITIONAL. And because his only personal feelings on this are based on a bad teacher who docked points off of him for being smart. I can't see how he can turn me around on this debate. He argued pretty well, but in the end his opinions don't hold up to my arguments weight. I have supported my statements with solid, verifiable facts and Jacobgunter has actually repeated my statements as his own, but offering no real solutions. I say we do not abolish the no child left behind program, but continue to work on it, bipartisanly, until it works well for everyone. I have already stated that this program has a 300% effective rating and proven it. Thanks for the debate Jacobgunter, I am glad we got to have it.