L-M Classic: Clockwork v. Mongoose

"Firstly, Darkseid and Apocalypse possess highly developed psychic powers and all attempted alterations or assaults on their minds have failed miserably, even when psychics such as Jean Grey (http://en.wikipedia.org......) and Professor X (http://en.wikipedia.org......) against Apocalypse, have failed miserably. With such strong defenses against mind manipulation, the neuralyzer would fail to work against Darkseid and Apocalypse. That still doesn't stand as the only obstacle in my opponent's strategy." This isn't mind manipulation. This is simply erasing it. It wouldn't be the same, as manipulation would involve someone else actively changing something. The manipulation doesn't begin until after they have lost their memories. "If Team Mongoose's plan is to work, they must immediately deploy the neuralizer, and Agent K must be able to get to the opposite side of NYC and tell my team that they are tourists returning to Mexico. NYC is obviously of a considerable length, and Agent K does not know where my team members are. The very idea that he could manage to accomplish the strategy contradicts common sense." Or, he could use the neuralyzer over and over before your team can regain their memories. So, he can get in his flying car and search for them. Between Gibb's gut, which can help him have an idea of where they need to go, and Bond's luck, they should be able to find them after some point of time. They would proceed to convince TEAM CLOCKWORK that they need to go to Mexico. "Even if we incorrectly assume that all five members have their memories wiped, if a mass of enemies come in attacking Team Clockwork, they would obviously respond to such attacks and Team Mongoose would be easily decimated as already demonstrated." Ah, but TEAM CLOCKWORK wouldn't identify TEAM MONGOOSE as enemies. They wouldn't be attacking. He'd go up to them and say, "Hey, you're tourists, and your life's dream is to go to Mexico and stay there." They wouldn't put up a fight, because they aren't in danger. While they would lose the battle, they would get to enjoy a life in Mexico. "Very well, but because Yoshi (and presumably all the other playable SSB characters) moved around after reanimation of their own accord, we must assume that they do in fact have brains (in contrast with your previous argument) and we return to the strategy where Darkseid or Apocalypse mind-control your reanimated Supermen, using Kryptonite from the Oan ring simulations or The Green Arrow's arrows to level off any remaining Supermen, although it is an unsupported stretch to assume that any toy store would have over three million Superman toys in stock." Actually, Master Hand would still be controlling Yoshi. They don't move of their own accord, they move to the player's accord, which, in this case, would be Master Hand. "My opponent claims that Master Hand can hide inside of and shoot lasers through solid objects. Though this canonically-unsupported argument is easily attributed to an effect known as "polygon prioritization" and is easily recognized by anyone who programs or plays video games, Master Hand could still easily be eliminated once located, as The Omega Effect can travel through matter." Master Hand can go through matter. There is no reason to believe otherwise. You would have a hard time locating him (except for the fact that there are lasers coming from that point, oh well). "Although you failed to provide a source, and I can't find anything close to this in the rules, I'll let it slide; most of my other strategies have yet to be adequately refuted." Found it. "15) Teleporting out of NYC is prohibited." "Incorrect; although my team would, as already stated, have little trouble finding the Master Sword by means of the Book of Oa or by aerial view. I only need the Master Sword if I wish to KILL Ganondorf; the Omega Effect would eliminate Ganon from existence." Although Ganondorf has been removed from existence many times, it is still not fun, and would leave him defeated. "The majority of my opponent's arguments fail to prove anything. His arguments are stretched to the possibility of chance by fault of his weak arguments. Such arguments include 'Hiro might mess up the time stop' and 'Agent K might be able to push the button before Hiro stops time'. However, this is a debate and not a roulette table; my opponent must show why his team WILL win, instead of why his team MIGHT win. His two arguments that didn't involve ridiculous stretches of luck have been conclusively negated." The first one I have decided is too much a stretch into the unknown to work. The second one should work. How long does it take to press a button on your wrist? About 1/100 of a second or so. My opponent has conceded that Hiro's powers take some time to use. "My opponent himself has also pointed out that Hiro's powers are limited by protesting that it takes some time for him to activate his abilities." Agent K would press the button first, so Hiro would forget what he was doing, and not use his power. "My opponent has pushed these barriers throughout the debate, often contradicting himself in the process. He has failed to show how a team which is (physically) dependent on Master Hand and Ganondorf can defeat such titans such as Apocalypse and Darkseid. Apocalypse alone has surpassed the powers of the Harbinger (http://en.wikipedia.org......), who was able to defend himself against Cable and the Avengers at the same time. Darkseid has bested Superman by a long shot time and time again. The two giants together could easily combine their powers to eliminate the weak (see opponent's video) Master Hand and find the Master Sword to defeat Ganon, and my opponent has thus far dedicated zero time to arguing otherwise." For one thing, Apocalypse and Darkseid are both EVIL, and thus cannot wield the Master Sword, it being the Blade of Evil's Bane. For another, Agent K's mind-erasing device would work. "The burden of poof has failed to be satisfied by my opponent, and the arguments that have stood have been hopelessly refuted. The outcome of this battle is clear; vote Pro. Thank you." You say that I have not met the BoP, when you have given no reason for Hiro's powers to work before Agent K's. There is no reason to assume that Hiro would have stopped time before Agent K has pressed the button. There is nothing my opponent can do against the Statue of Liberty. Clearly, the losing team is the one partying in Mexico, in some kind of non-victory party. The winning team is the one still in NYC. Vote CON. Thank you.