Star wars - On balance the jedi are evil

Well in my view the Jedi are evil! ***** The Vaapad (my arguments) 1. BRAINWASHING Jedi are known brainwashers. The standard practice of recruiting Jedi is surprisingly dark for a group that supposedly brings peace to the republic. Jedi take children from their parents, sometimes against the will of the parents, and they do so not for the child's but for the master jedi's good. Jedi are taught to "let go of their attachments"; having no their loyalty then to themselves. 2. THEY DONT SERVE THE BEST INTERESTS OF THE GALAXY, BUT THEMSELVES. The Jedi do not support democracy or the republic moreso then themselves. For instance, in the clone wars despite pledging neturality they served as generals in the side of the republic. While it was true forces like Dooku were pulling the strings behind the confederacy, it was in fact the republic who were oppressing independant systems that triggered the entire war. The planets of the confederacy felt unrepresented (as the senate didnt provide the outer rim with equal development. (2) The Jedi had even let corruption, slavery, and un-equal growth (for instance, tatooine where two jedi were compared to Naboo) become of a part of the republic. The Jedi, two movies later, had formed the alliance under the exact same pretexts the separatists had used against the republic. 3. UNDERMINING DEMOCRACY The jedi's alliegence is to the republic, to DEMOCRACY . . . When it is in their interest. When it is not , for jedi democracy is only another tool to be used. There are specific examples of this, such as - Supporting Palpatine to become chancellor and his move to get emergency powers in a conflict he had very little secult (non sith) importance in. - Sending anakin to spy on their own chancellor; the equivelant in the usa of Mike Pence being used to spy on trump. - Arresting Palpatine "In the name of the galactic senate" where "the senate will decide your (palpatines) fate" without actual endorsement from the senate, who cheered for Palpatine. - Deciding Palpatine should be killed after he was defeated, as "He's to dangerous to be alive! He controls the senate and the court." - Aiding han solo, a smuggler who openly broke the rules of the empire and republic. - Commiting extrajudicial murder or attempted murder. In no other democracy are these acceptable. Obama and 3 SEALS cannot storm Trump's office and kill him on the pretext "He controls the supreme court and the us senate!" The truth is Jedi did not care for their democracy, but rather towards their own interests. ***** SORSEAU - REBUTTAL 1. Jedi's fighting for those who cant fight for themselves/what is right/ fight as a last resort. Jedi have historcially fought with slaves for those who can fight for themselves. For one, Jedi fight for their interests and not the common good. They fought the separatists right until Vader fought them, in which obi wan switched sides almost immidieately. While Jedi do occasionally fight for those who cannot defend themselves, they more often slaughter whoever stands in theor way. Anakin slaugthered all the sand people but was pardoned, as "it is only human to be angry." Luke causes huge amounts of collateral damage against humans and allien speicies without losing any sleep over it. Palpatine was threatened with 3 lightsabers without any knowledge of Palpatine's skills with combat. The Jedi also do not use fighting as a last resort. What Qui-Gonn and Obi-wan did in episode one was only because the chancellor ordered the Jedi to be diplomats, not warriors. Jedi actually did kill unjustifiably in several cases, such as - Anakin killing all the sand people, including the children. - Yoda killing two clone troopers who were about to aim on him. Yoda had absolutely no evidence of the clone trooper's intent or even order 66. He alao could have deflected the blasters, yet he belived his percieved paranoia was enough a reason to kill the clones. - Obi wan, without any sufficent evidence, chops off hands in a crowded bar because of "Jedi Buisness." The Jedi had no qualms on cheating the poor when they needed it. Aliens without force abilities were constatly used by the jedi, such as when Qui Gonn Jinn tried a mind trick on watti. 2. The Jedi code/ not killing. My opponent claims himself killing was what the order told them NOT tondo, yet so many times, Jedi comoletely ignored this rule. Only Luke stayed somewhat true, and even then he caused huge amounts of collateral damage without minding. Almost every duel saw Jedi murder / attempting to murder their enemies. - Obi Wan Kenobi murdered maul when he was a still target. - Anakin killed Dooku while knowing it would be against the code and when he was defenceless. - Anakin killed the sand people breaking the no killing and no dark side rule. - Mace Windu killed Jango Fett when his equipment was faulty and only had a single "always miss" blaster. - Even if he "regrets" it, he comes right back to attempt to murder Palptine when he was subdued. - Yoda killing the clone troopers that were ready to shoot him without any proof but his paranoia. He could easily have deflected the blaster shots. - Obi Wan leaving Anakin on mustafar to die when all he had to do was show him luke and leia (as well as padme, who wouldnt get a broken heart) to bring him to the light. - Rey attempting to kill Kylo Ren even as he was already defeated. The fact he was able to escape due to a diversion stopped her. - Luke killing regular people as collateral damage (for instance, when saving han.) My opponent claims that the jedi simply made isolated incidents, but this is not true. Only in one duel (luke vs vader) did a jedi show mercy to an oppenent. In every other case, jedi had chosen to kill, a number far higher than one. Luke remains an exception (who still killed thousands with no sweat via collateral damage) , not the rule. 3. Fighting Sith. It is true Jedi fight sith, and sith are evil. However, just because one fights evil does not mean one is not evil. Is stalin, for fighting and defeating Hitler, a "normally good person?" If he killed millions? (3) In gang wars, all cribs heros for fighting bloods, a gang that did evil things?