Batman could beat Spiderman in a fight.

**** MY OPPONENT's CASE ****Spiderman's identity "Yes, except for probably the most important thing: his voice. Would you rather recognize someone's voice or the shape of his mouth? That's my point. "Um definitely the shape of his mouth. Reasons:1. People can easily memorize someones face and put two and two together. 2. Spiderman talks mainly to his criminals telling them some cheesy "I caught you" line. Plus people cannot easily put a voice to this name anyways. Would anyone expect poor, geeky peter parker to be spiderman? no. What about a millionaire with an arsenal of expendable resources? More likely. "Let's take an example out of the movies. In the Batman movies, which villains actually knew Batman's identity? "Same goes with spiderman. But I thought we were talking realisticly though? Realisticly speaking, batman is definitely easier to catch than Spiderman, given the discrepanies in his disguises. "Now for the Spiderman movies. Did Green Goblin know his identity? Yes. Why? Because Spidey made a slip up in his fight with him and thereby blew his cover, not very professional. Doctor Octopus? Yes, because he actually showed his face. Sandman? No. Harry Osborn? Yes. Eddie Brock? Yes"Revealing himself to those individuals bears no significance as they are criminals. The law is what you want to keep your identity hidden from, as they are often strictly against vigilantism. Batman's Strength "Did Odysseus win the Trojan war because his army was so strong? Did Napoleon conquer Europe because he was so tough? Did Hannibal form the greatest threat against Rome because he had such a good army? My point being, strength is certainly not everything when it comes down to a battle. Most of the times a good pair of brains is all needed to win, in which this case Batman has an advantage. " So are you saying that Spiderman, after defeating all his foes, lacks this same intellectual capacity required to defeat batman? I feel mental wellness is definitely a factor, however, when you have mental wellness mixed in with the strength, how can we assume that Batman will not fail in his endeavors? Spiderman's superiority"I'm not confessing Spiderman is superior, I'm being realistic and saying Spiderman is more agile than Batman. Of course the Bat knows this, that's why he wouldn't try straight on combat fight, which I will explain later. " None the less, we still have the assumption there that spiderman could definitely outbeat his opponent in speed. OF course the bat will try to do something else to fight spiderman. But let's remember that the key word here is "Try". Spiderman's sneak attacks. "Surely Spiderman can try the little stealth act as well. But that's not his nature. Spidey's nature is to confront an enemy, make a few wisecracks, dodging most of his attacks and punching them. Batman however, was trained by the league of assassins in stealth, and make his foes fear the dark. Besides, Batman wears a black suit while Spidey wears a red-blue suit, which is not very handy as well. So also here, Batman has the upper hand. "All of this, however, become irrelevant when you implement spiderman's Spidey sense into the equation. No matter how hard Batman tries, Spiderman will always catch on to his plots. Batman can beat anyone. "If you're implying he can't fight crime because he once had is back broken, I dare to object. Batman had his friend Azrael sit in for him, while he was recovering" Nah, this isn't what I am implying at all. Your point was that batman can beat anyone. If this is the case, how was he beaten before? If he is so unbeatable, invicible, and empowering, how do you attempt to prove he has this god complex injecture in his state of being? **** MY CASE **** Powers"He actually did in Spiderman 2 due to lack of his motivation. This also proves the lack of discipline to fight crime. This is partly because Spiderman got his powers by accident, while Batman dedicated his whole life to fighting crime. Als if Batman loses his equipment, he's still an awesome kicking ninja. " Again were not talking about fighting crime here, or special situations. We are looking to a fight where we can assume both character are fully equipped in their peak fighting style. So if Batman get's his belt altered or removed, and impaired by Spiderman, what is his next course of action? PRO's Scenario of the fight "So let's say Bat and Spider would both get a week prep time. Spiderman has the tendancy to underestimate his foes, and since he's from a different comic world, he wouldn't know Batman and just think he's an idiot in a batsuit. " On the contrary I could say that Batman has a tendacy to put his morals as a factor over his strategic combat abilities. What happens if Spiderman get's inside his head? And batman's appearance will be everything but true even if spiderman does underestimate him. Batman would be weaker than any foe the spider has faced, possesing no real combative threat to spiderman. Underestimation doesn't even factor into hte equation. "While Batman does his research and gets his hand on a sonic Spidey-sense disruptor (this device actually exists, Iron-man made it). "Oh really? If were playing that game, then I guess spiderman makes an anti-batman potion, that instantly turns him into a tree stump. I hope you see the illegitimacy and fallacies this arguments possesses. "So the playground would be New York. Batman would arrive first on the scene, placing the device somewhere in an alley (not on himself so Spiderman wouldn't be able to track him) and sprays the surroundings with some explosive gel. He then waits in the dark for Spidey to turn up. "Easy. Spiderman doesn't even need to combat batman in his turf, or anywhere near where batman is presumed to be. Also spiderman would more likely fight in a situation that better suits his combat needs, above ground, and in complex spots for the bat. Scenario 1 "Try to trace the source of the disruptor and look for it in a dark alley, not being able to see the explosive gel. The gel detonates and Spidey being unable to predict it would get blown away. With not enough time to recover Batman would fly out of the dark and grab Spidey. He breaks his nose, punches him in the throat making him have trouble breathing and finishes off with a well placed kick to his chest causing his sternum to collapse and fracturing most ribs he has. Spiderman would be struggling to breath with his ribs puncturing his lungs. Now you would need a lot of endurance to even be able to stand up. Notice that Batman has developed and acid spraying device in his wrist to prevent any webbing Spiderman would do. "Again I easily counter this with the illusive and free anti-bat potion that spider man comes across. One quick spray with this, and batman is down for the count. This whole scenario lies strongly on the if possibility of batman aqquiring such an item, which is not even introduced in his saga. I highly reccommend the audience disregaurd this "argument". Scenario 2"Spiderman would flee trying to outrun the disrupting signals and thereby not noticing his surroundings. Batman has located himself in the opposite direction of the signals so if Spidey would flee he would go straight to him"The above still applies here. But let's give you the benefit of the doubt. How has batman managed to get himself to lure spidey into his trap, then instantly arrive at the scene where he will run into spiderman attmepting to flee? **** CONCLUSION ****I win this debate in several areas. SOURCES: My opponent has not provided any, all his sentiments are claims. ARGUMENTS: My opponent has agreed on several occasions that spiderman is both faster and stronger than batman. Plus most of his scenario's use logical fallacies, and unfair arguments. CONDUCT: My opponent only responds to choice text choices in each arguments. The bulk of every one of my contentions have been dropped, and only certain things were hit by my opponent.