You can be Muslim and a Redneck

in this short time debate, first i want to say sorry, really2 sorry for my speech. because, first i think that con's duty to ban the pro's ideas. so, let we make a solution for this debate, not just rubutal opinion each other. 1. " It was bigoted and wrong of me to think that my own small vision of what a gecko is applies to all the world, and I sincerely apologize for my ignorance." ==> yes, that's true. like you'd talked before, in some areas, gecko can bring harmful for people, in it surrounding. because i believe, my prophet advise us something with some reasons to make us safe, and living peacefully. 2. " I am not sure of this. Most of the Islamic scholars I have seem to indicate the contrary." ==> and what your evidence to support your idea, if you have islamic schoolar that contra with sex without marry??? and i have an avidence that sex without marry is prohobited. "Nor come nigh to fornication/adultery: for it is a shameful (deed) and an evil, opening the road (to other evils)." " Qur'an, Sura 17 (Al-Isra), ayat 32 "The woman and the man guilty of fornication,- flog each of them with a hundred stripes: Let not compassion move you in their case, in a matter prescribed by Allah, if ye believe in Allah and the Last Day: and let a party of the Believers witness their punishment." " Qur'an, Sura 24 (An-Nur), ayat 2 "And those who accuse free women then do not bring four witnesses, flog them, (giving) eighty stripes, and do not admit any evidence from them ever; and these it is that are the transgressors. Except those who repent after this and act aright, for surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful." " Qur'an, Sura 24 (An-Nur), ayat 4-5 so, the solution for this problem is : marry is not for having sex with woman, but more precesious than that, because the purpose of marriage are : (1) The formation of a family through which one can find security and peace of mind. A person who is not married resembles a bird without a nest. Marriage serves as a shelter for anyone who feels lost in the wilderness of life; one can find a partner in life who would share one's joy and sorrow. (2) The natural sexual desire is both strong and significant. Everyone should have a partner for satisfying their sexual needs in a secure and serene environment. Everyone should enjoy sexual satisfaction in a correct and proper manner. Those who abstain from marriage often suffer from both physical and psychological disorders. Such disorders and certain social problems are a direct consequence of the abstinence of youth from marriage. (3) Reproduction: Through marriage, the procreation of mankind is continued. Children are the result of marriage and are important factors in stabilizing the family foundations as well as a source of real joy to their parents. A great deal of emphasis has been given in the Holy Qur'an and the traditions to both marriage and having children. The Almighty Allah states in the Holy Qur'an: "And among His signs is this, that He created for you mates from among yourselves." (30:21) 3." I think a Redneck Muslim could get a lot of mileage out of this type of marriage. In a temporary marriage, the Redneck Muslim and his lover-girl agree to be married for the night, and then he divorces her the next morning after breakfast. This way, he can still abide by normal Redneck standards of promiscuity, yet do so within the confines of Islam" ==> like i've talked before, we have to know first what is the purpose of marriedge and do it to find ridha' Allah. so temporary marriegde ( planning to marry with short time ) is haram. because, we dont recognize and admit in our religon sir. source : http://en.wikipedia.org... 4. " the Con hasn't demonstrated that a Redneck must drink alcohol to be a Redneck, and therefore I win." ==> i really sorry for my mistake, because you talk before about redneck habit in drinking alcohol, so i get it means that alcohol is redneck favorite drink. so for this reason, yes you win. but, still, alcohol is haram. 5. "Can a Redneck have a fully Muslim identity, and can a Muslim have a fully Redneck identity?" ==> what i want to elaborate you is, we know that redneck have a few bad habits. and even not all of redneck do thats, we still judge them same as like redneck, so, what i mean is, if redneck really want to be a muslim, it's a good news, and i'm happy too. and no one can deny, that they are part of us now. can they still be a redneck community?? yess, but still the rules islam is no 1, so they have to leave their bad habits before. 6. "I know some of these things may sound a bit funny to you, but they are legitimate questions. If a Muslim can do these things and still remain a Muslim, then they can retain their Redneck identity. I have studied many Hadith and looked at the different madhabs on this subject, and I think that, on the whole, these behaviors are not prohibited by Islam. Yet anyone who does such things is clearly a Redneck?" ==> i know when you write this argument, maybe emotional, and i apologize for it, really, maybe my argument is making you very angry. but we finish it first. noo, your argument isn't funny for me. you are true, thats habits not just redneck who apply, but many people do. but what i say is, muslim is prohobited doing those. so, if redneck muslim doing like you mention, it's a wrong action. and it's our duty, to advise them. because, islam prohibit those. "However, I am clearly winning this debate so I suggest you take the time to really bring the ruckus. Round 3 is the final round, and then you must either concede or explain why you beat me in your final statement." hopefully you win this debate, but i think the purpose in our debate not just for winning, but for finding the solution. thank you. i'm glad for this debate.