Did God intend humans to sin.

Thanks for the debate Con. Con complains: "[Pro insists] that God created sin which is mentioned in ZERO verses in the ENTIRE bible." My response: If the bible says God created ALL THINGS, then god, BY DEFINITION, created sin...Con you can't avoid contradictions in the bible simply because they are inconvenient, so your 6 bible verses need not be addressed, because every word of the bible should be true, and the bible has already said that god created ALL THINGS with complete foreknowledge and purposes that shall not be thwarted like humans' ability to sin; do you see our ability to sin being thwarted? Me neither. Like I said before, the bible has so many absolute statements about what god can do and has done, and it's very clear that god is responsible for creating ALL THINGS; sin is a part of all things. What I tried to point out is that if Con wishes to demote god's creation responsibilities and assign agency of sin's creation to Lucifer, then Con has to recognize god being the ultimate cause of sin; if god didn't create Lucifer, there could not have been sin, but god did create Lucifer knowing full well this would spawn sin, fulfilling god's purpose, which cannot be thwarted, to have a universe with Lucifer and therefore sin for humans to commit. Con contradicts scripture: "EVERYTHING in a sense is not created by God" My response: While I agree with you on that, the bible is in staunch disagreement "All things have been created through him and for him." Con continues to contradict scripture: "God could not create sin because its against His nature." My response: Matt 19:26 and Luke 1:37 must be wrong then that "with god all things are possible" and "nothing will be impossible with god." If all things are possible with god, then creating something against His nature is possible, which is clearly stated by the bible in direct contradiction to Con. Con almost concedes this debate: "If sin does not please God why then would He create man to do it?" My response: Great question! My answer is that the bible is fraught with contradictions, but biblically, sin does please god, because the bible mentions that NO PURPOSE OF GOD'S can be thwarted, and that from beginning to end, GOD WILL DO ALL HIS PLEASURE; well, we're in the time period of "beginning to end" and we are sinning, therefore it must be part of his pleasure that he declared from the beginning; it can't be thwarted. If we have sin now, and from beginning to end god will do all his pleasure, then it follows that humans sinning MUST please god which speaks to his intentions to allow us to sin. To answer the question in a different way, sin does please god, because if it weren't pleasing to god, sin would not be a part of "all of his pleasure" declared from the beginning; instead god's purpose to have us sin remains not thwarted exactly as Job 42:2 would have you believe. Con mentions god creating Lucifer. Con, you never addressed my question about imagining that you were god and you had full knowledge of impending sin by creating Lucifer. If god knew what would happen, and let it happen, then he allowed for it. He created Lucifer KNOWING FULL WELL "iniquity" would arise. Either god can create Lucifer without impending sin or he can't. Given the "all things possible" claim of the bible, god could have created Lucifer without impending iniquity, but chose not to, thus taking responsibility for any ills that arise from god's creation. Without creating Lucifer, there could be no sin, so god is responsible for sin, period. Then Con tries to reason: "God did not create the iPhone 6s, Macbook Pro, Stingray Corvettes, 4k Tv's ." My response: Yeah, but if god did not intend for iPhones or corvettes, then he would not have allowed them. The fact that we have iPhones and corvettes is a sign of god's intention to let iPhones and corvettes exist; he knew from the beginning that we would create these items and he allowed for it; if god didn't want it, he would not have created the elements for such things, and his intention to disallow iPhones and corvettes would not be thwarted. Con tries an analogy: "You helped create children, If your son or daughter grows up and commits a crime whether it be stealing ,mass killing , slave trading or any wrong doing are you then convicted as well because you created the child?" My response: Nope, because I didn't create my children with the foreknowledge that they would be a criminal, I didn't create and give them the ability to choose crime, I didn't declare the end from the beginning, I didn't create all things, including crime, and my purposes can be thwarted, thus if I intended my kids to not commit crime, they still could; parents are not omnipotent, not omniscient, and not responsible for ALL THINGS like god is. I honestly don't care if biblical scholars maintain that god created disaster, but not evil, because the bible says ALL THINGS are created by him, for him. Do scholars eschew this claim of god? Finally Con points out: "So if straying from God's love is sin and God takes that option away then you are forced to stay, then love would cease to be Love." My response: Con this is why I asked about reading people's minds and maintaining our ability to choose things. God disallowed our ability to read minds, yet we still have free will to choose to love things. Therefore, god COULD disallow our ability to sin, and we would still have free will to choose to love him; not all sins involve the lack of love for god, so sin and love are not a true dichotomy, even biblically. Just like not being able to read minds doesn't force us to love things, not being able to sin does not force us to love things; it would allow us free will to love within our limited capacity to sin. I maintain that love does not need sin, as Con would have us believe, and god could have created us WITH free will, but WITHOUT the capacity to sin, thus leaving our choice to love him under our free will, much like our choice to love him now is under our free will. In conclusion: 1. God created all things and is responsible for Lucifer's creation of sin; no Lucifer, no sin. How did Lucifer get here? Oh yeah that was god's doing. 2. God declared the end from the beginning based on all his pleasures. Well, in this period of end to beginning, humans are sinning, so we must conclude that is is one of god's pleasures. 3. God's purposes cannot be thwarted, and Con claims that humans NOT sinning is one of god's purposes. However, this purpose is thwarted all of the time; we are sinners. We must conclude that god's purpose is for humans to sin and that this purpose is currently not thwarted. 4. God can do anything, nothing is impossible. Con however, claims that god can't create something against his nature, so either the bible is wrong, or Con is...I choose the latter. 5. God intended humans to sin as evidenced by our not thwarted, predetermined, within god's pleasure, perfectly allowed, previously created, ability to sin. I maintain that god did not intend us to read minds, because WE CAN'T READ MINDS. I maintain that god did intend us to sin, because WE CAN SIN, and none of his purposes shall be thwarted as he declared them from the beginning to the end; god's responsible for Lucifer, us, sin, and the future. I affirm this particular resolution.