Metal takes more skill than Rap

In summary I don't believe that Pro has fulfilled his burden of proof or established that metal takes more skill than rap, I think I've given clear examples of how some aspects of hip hop require more skill than heavy metal and done enough to negate the resolution. I won't post too much in this final round, I'll just respond to my opponent's last post. _____________ Pro: "I challenge you to find a metal band that does not use instruments. " I love a challenge. . http://www.myspace.com... Pro: "I would also like to say that even though a hip hop artist/group might use instruments they most likely, but not always will be more simple than a metal bands would be. " I disagree with this, most metal bands consist of the holy trinity of drums, bass and guitar whereas most of the hip hop bands that use instruments incorporate keyboards and percussion and I think you are far more likely to hear woodwind, strings and brass in hip hop than in heavy metal. My band's album features live drums, electric bass, acoustic bass, guitar, sax, flute, trumpet, various percussion instruments from all over the world, Rhodes piano and scratching. Pro: "If you are referring to the videos you posted on the comments section I will say they had great soul and emotion but I saw little energy within these performances. " My bad, I should have specified that I meant the videos I posted in the debate round: KRS, Wu-Tang and The Roots. I think there is a great deal of energy in these performances, especially from KRS, who is over 40 in this vid. I thought these were also good examples in respect of Pro's previous points about crowd excitement. Kris did the same freestyle in the crowd thing when he came to Birmingham, which is a much more hardcore audience. It was absolutely insane. _____ Pro: "Also in metal the bands almost always make up original music on there own. Hip hop artist often sample songs to make there songs. This is a huge reason that metal takes more skill because it needs more creativity. I know there are also many hip hop artist that make their own beats and music but there are also many that do use samples. " The whole idea of 'originality' in music is a misleading concept, there are only 12 notes in a chromatic scale and a finite number of ways to arrange them. There is truly nothing new under the sun. Most metal songs have a pretty simple three chord structure and the same riffs can be recycled over and over again by different bands. Metal bands may be much less likely to use samples but they are just as prone to conscious and unconscious plagiarism as their hip hop peers. Sampling is itself an art and a means of creative expression, by combining and layering samples and chopping them up to rearrange the parts in different ways, a new and totally different composition is created. Another important thing to consider when comparing the originality of these two genres is the issue of covers. Most working metal musicians I know perform in 'tribute' bands, these are groups who perform the repertoire of well known bands and the band names are often puns on the original (Fred Zeppelin, Brian Maiden and Jeff Leopard are my favourites). By contrast up and coming rappers always pride themselves on their originality (even if they have none) and there is no more heinous crime than biting (plagiarising) another MCs lyrics. On Google "metal tribute band" gets 62,000 hits, "hip hop tribute band" only 10,000. . http://www.google.co.uk...= . http://www.google.co.uk...= ______ I think in this debate I established my two arguments about lyricism and manual dexterity and successfully countered Pro's assertions about emotional content, energy, instruments and creativity. I think that quality music of any genre takes a lot of skill to produce and I will always defend the merits of hip hop culture against stereotypes and assumptions. Thanks again Pro, it was great to debate a new member who didn't forfeit a round, and to discuss music with someone as passionate about it as I am myself. Hope you stick around and good luck with your future debates. Thanks everyone for reading, please vote for the stronger arguments and not just for your preferred genre. Con.