Resolved: The Dark side of the Force are the actual "good guys" in Star Wars.

(REBUTTALS TO PROS ROUNS 2 ARGUMENTS) 1) "The Jedi enforce this upon society by impossing their religion on the Galatic Republic" In films 1 through 6 there were at most a dozen Jedi in the entire universe, whereas the galactic Republic had a population that easily numbered in the tens of billions. It is highly unlikely that the Jedi tried to enforce their ideology on the entire Republic, nor were even capable of doing so.Furthermore in Ep 4, Han Solo himself said 'Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side, kid.' indicating that the Galactic Republic was most certainly not required to adopt the Jedi religion since people openly mocked it. The Jedi did not try to turn the Galactic Republic into a Theocracy, and there's no evidence in any of the 6 movies that they even attempted to do so. This argument is simply a false claim made against the Jedi to defame them that holds no actual weight or credibility2) "Jedi mind tricks" In Ep 4 Obi-Wan states that 'The Force can have a strong influence on the weak-minded' in order to convince the storm troopers that those were not the droids they were looking for..... This indicates that the Jedi cannot pull out the 'Jedi-mind' trick on whoever they please and whenever they see fit, only those who are weak-minded can be influenced by use of the Force. The claim that the Jedi could pull this on anyone they wanted is therefore false, since all evidence indicates that the force can only be used against weak-minded people. Government officials meanwhile are usually some of the most stubborn people in the entire galaxy, so entrenched in their views that it is pretty far-fetched to assume that any Jedi mind tricks could be used on them due to their own stubbornness.... 3) "When Supreme Chancellor Palpatine revealed to be Darth Sideous the Jedi attempted to over throw him. This was due to his religious views as we have already seen"First off, the Jedi didnt 'depose' Sidious, they placed him under arrest, which Mace Windu clearly states in Ep 3Mace Windu: "In the name of the Galactic Senate of the Republic, you're under arrest, Chancellor."Supreme Chancellor: "Are you threatening me, Master Jedi?"Mace Windu: "The senate will decide your fate."Supreme Chancellor: [now speaking as Darth Sidious] "I AM the senate!"Mace Windu: "Not yet" http://www.imdb.com... (15th quote down)So not only did the Jedi NOT depose Sidious, they were also going to let the Senate decide the fate of Sidious, which shows the deep respect the Jedi have for the integrity of the government and the separation of powers within it. Secondly, the Jedi did not arrest Sidious for 'his religion', they arrested him for being DARTH SIDIOUS, the guy who orchestrated the outbreak of a galactic civil war to rise to power to exterminate the Jedi and name himself emperor in the process.4) "To further their corruption they even attempted to instigate a Coup on a Democratic elected leader"- 1 - It wasn't a coup, it was an arrest and attempt to let the Senate legitimately decide the fate of Sidious through a trial. - 2 - Sidious wasn't democratically elected. A Republic functions by having the people elect Senators, and then the Senators elect a Chancellor.... Sidious wasn't voted for by the people of the galaxy, he was voted in by Senators. 5) "Another thing that the Jedi opposed was that of advanced Technology"There is literally no evidence of this whatsoever."Though Darth Sideous tells Anikan that he has the power to save his lover, he isn't talking about Force Healing. He is talking about medical technology"He is clearly talking about using Sith tactics to save those Anakin loves, not 'medical technology'... The conversation that quote comes from is about the abilities of Darth Plagueis, the Sith Lord who trained Darth Sidious in the ways of the Sith. Supreme Chancellor: "...He had such a knowledge of the dark side that he could even keep the ones he cared about from dying.Anakin Skywalker: "He could do that? He could actually save people from death?"Supreme Chancellor: "The dark side of the Force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural"http://www.imdb.com...^ 7th one down There is literally no indication that the Jedi suppress the advancement of technology, and the one example cited as evidence clearly refers to the use of the dark side of the force itself, not medical technology"The Jedi's represstion of Technology and medical advances has severly harmed soceity compared to the Empire."12 Jedi couldn't have held back the advancement of technology throughout the Galaxy, as evidenced by light-speed space travel, giant space crafts, death stars, lightsabers, gigantic cities, etc. 6) Slavery"When the Empire and the Dark side rises to power there is no slavery"The entire clone army was literally bred on one planet and programmed to obey orders at all costs, that sounds a lot like slavery to me. It can also be argued that the existence of slavery in far away planets was the fault of the Senate Government itself, not the fault of the Jedi. The Jedi's duties are to be a peacekeeping force for the Senate, not to enforce Senate protocol on any and every law that they pass. 7) "the failure of the Financial Reform Act"The Financial Reform Act was never once showcased in any of Episodes 1-6 of the Star Wars franchise, therefore it is completely inadmissible as evidence since according to Pro's own rules in round 1: "Nor is anything outside of the Movies 1-6 be counted as valid evidence in this debate" 8) Economic Spending on the Death Star"The government spending would increase aggeragate demand which would lead to an increase of jobs as people had more cash and bought more goods. Not to mention with the abolition of slavery, more people had more money to spend which increased money all around for the Empire." Actually it is hypothesized that the destruction of the Death Stars would have sent the Galactic Empire into complete financial ruin:http://arxiv.org...http://www.popsci.com...http://gizmodo.com...The basic analysis is that on government projects of this size, private banking would have had to step in to foot a good chunk of the bill of constructing the 2 Death Stars. The destruction of the Death Stars means that the banks who had invested so largely into their construction would have suffered a catastrophically large loss of equity when the Death Stars were destroyed. The paper estimates that banking systems in the Galactic Republic make up about 60% of the entire GDP (About the same as the US), meaning that if the banks go under, everything else goes out with them. (Sound familiar?)The construction of the Death Stars were therefore not a financial stimulus for the galaxy, or at least not a financial positive overall, since their destruction would have catastrophically damaged the galactic economy to almost immeasurable repair. (DEFENSE OF MY ROUND 2 POINTS)1) Destruction of AlderaanLying about the location of a rebel base of a couple hundred rebels is most certainly NOT a justifiable reason of destroying an entire planet of billions of people. Leia also cannot be held liable for the destruction of Alderaan since 1) She didnt order its destruction, 2) Grand Moff Tarkin ordered its destruction, and 3) Grand Moff Tarkin ignored Leia's information regardless if it was true or not and wanted to blow up Alderaan anyways. 2) Dissolution of the Republic"the Jedi attempted to pull a "US" with a regieme change"They only attempted to arrest Sidious and let the Senate determine his fate. They did not attempt to seize power like you keep claiming. Sidious then used the thwarted attempt to make himself dictator when he could have just branded the Jedi as rebels and branded them as terrorists, remaining as Chancellor in the meantime. He chose not to though because he wanted power and was looking out for himself3) Killing of PadawansCon argues that the killing of the Padawans was justified due to the war, but the war at the time the Padawans were killed was when many of the Jedi masters were already killed. Only Obi Wan and Yoda survived order 66, meaning the Padawans could have easily been jailed or sent elsewhere where they could not be trained to become Jedi again. Instead they were killed, which was unjustifiable under those or any circumstances, indicating that the Sith are clearly the bad guys4) Use of torture "Though torture is a bad technique of interrogation you must compare it to the Jedi who used Mind controll to get their way"No you dont. There are ZERO signs of physical or mental pain in the Jedi using mind tricks that last seconds on a person. Torture can leave literal physical scars on people, mentally unbalance them, etc that makes it far more controversial than Jedi mind tricks, which last a few moments in a person's life. 5) Human cloning"The Authorization of the Clone Army to begin was by Jedi Sifo-Dyas"This claim also comes from evidence used outside the original 6 movies, which means it cannot be entered as evidence in the debate per the rules stated in round 1.Furthermore, the Sith could have easily continued to use drone soldiers to fight their wars for them rather than use clone troopers, yet the Sith decided to resort to human cloning anyways just because it suited their own interests. 6) Palpatine selling out his own planet to invasion "When we analyze the reason behind the blockade it was due to the Republic's massive taxation on Trade Routes across the Galaxy" No evidence of that whatsoever and it can be equally argued that he did it as part of a ploy to seize power for himself. Also, not liking taxes is not a good enough reason to authorize an invasion of your own planet