BeIR/webis-touche2020 huggingface dataset:
Does the God of the Bible exist

My opponent as misunderstood my request a them to define there usage of the word bible. In is impossible for my side to understand what they are talking about with out this information.For factual sake I will remind my opponent the King James version of the bible is not the first English bible. That the William Tyndale’s, Coverdale Bible, the Matthews Bible, the Great Bible, the Geneva Bible, and the Bishops’ Bible all are English bibles that predate the King James version of the bible.My opponent then states that they don't be Tanach to be the word of God and then in the next sentence states that they believe parts of it to be. My opponent has failed to understand that the old testament is part of the Tanach. There is some changes such as how many commandments Moses brought from mount Sinai. My opponent as fail to understand that this was a challenge that all morality comes from the bible. It is clear that at least some morality comes from the Tanach. My opponent has again stated that we know the past will be like the present and future because of the God of the bible. My opponent as failed to answer the fundamental question of why they hold that to be true when the bible clearly states that is not true. The bible clearly states that if I have faith I will be able to walk on water, part oceans, move mountains, or reanimate dead bodies. I have not stated they are not possible, that would be an attack of spirituality it self, but have only shown that that would contradict how science sees the world. I have a 1 year old son. My son can't talk yet but already know some objective morality. He knows when he is doing something he shouldn't do and will try to cover his eyes in a clear sign of his shame of doing something wrong. I would agree with my opponent that God is inside him, that God has shown him what is right and wrong, and that he feels in what you might call his heart. I disagree with my opponent that it has too be the God from the bible. There are many thing that feel wrong deep down in side of me that the bible states is OK. There is many people that come to God and to the same objective morality with out the bible. We all understand things differently. Is it not more of a testament to the gloy of God that God as given humany so many way to understand God.
Does the God of the Bible exist

So what you did is Reject the God you know exist and replace it with a different god of your own imagination. Your "god" could not be the source of truth or knowledge because he did not exist before you were born because you can't imagine a "god" before you were born. Knowledge and truth, and morality existed before the existence of the universe and differently before your existence. The God of the bible was worshiped since the beginning of time. Judaism is the earliest belief system held in human history. The God of the bible created us not the other way around.
Does the God of the Bible exist

Absolute certain knowledge is only possible with the existence of the biblical God. There is a classical question. How do I know I exist? A famous philosopher said 'I think therefore I am'. My opponent my agree that to question existence presupposes existence. How do we know this is correct reasoning. Anything objection made I could counter by asking "how do you know this is correct reasoning." The only way to know one's reasoning is correct is to know everything about logic and philosophy. Attaining perfect knowledge about logic and philosophy is impossible unless you are God who knows everything. I can know that I am reasoning correctly because the God who knows everything pre-programmed all human beings with the basic knowledge of reasoning. Without God nobody can know they exist because unless they presuppose the bible God they can't know if there are reasoning correctly. Science is not possible without the God of the bible. When any scientist makes an observation in nature he or she assumes the uniformity of nature or that past observations in nature are going to be the same as observations in the future. For example, If scientific discover 211.9F degrees why or how could they ever expect water to boil at 211.9F degrees tomorrow or the next day or a thousand years from now. Some might say of course we can expect future experiments to be consistent with past experiments because they always have been consistent before. As we can see this is begging the question. It is impossible to base an assumption that nature behaviors in a predictable way without also assuming that a God of the universe organizes the universe in a way that is always consistent. objective Morality is impossible without the God of the bible. Some may argue that the biblical God does some evil acts like sending people to hell or destroying civilizations, but by what standard could anyone call anything morally right or wrong without God. One could assert that Majority opinion makes up objective morality, but this is not really objective if it depends on majority opinion. The majority of people in Nazi Germany believed it was moral to murder mass amounts of Jews but it was never up to them to decade. God is the standard of objective morality not Man. I ague not the existence of God but that everyone already knows the existence of God. The problem is not about belief or unbelief but of acceptance or rejection. My opponent absolutely believes in the God of the bible because without it he can't know anything to be true since he would have to know everything to know he can't be wrong about anything and know somethings for certain.
Convert an Atheist.

First, you contradicted yourself by saying. "while I see it's appealing to belief in a higher power" "I don't see any benefits of belief that would benefit me. " secondly on that point. Extend my arguments about, that it can't hurt you. >>>> And religions are all BS to me, because their holy books (the word of god) has been proven wrong. All-knowing maker -I already answered that point. You don't have to join christianity, you could worship literally anything. >>>>In my eyes it just divides people and makes excuses for what humanity can't explain -Unless you actually support those ideas, then you believing in something has no personal impact. >>>>There is no logical reason to believe in a deity (from what I know), so why do it? - extend what i said >>>> the whole GOD concept seem pretty awful, considering theres no proof behind all these terrible actions being committed in his name -What? If I think what your saying here is true, then, you cannot influence what people do from the outside, you can only do it from the inside >>>> I don't think I'd want to worship him. Why would he let things like the Holocaust, the Japanese Earthquake, The Haiti Disaster, Hurricane Katrina, etc, happen? -Idk, people make up reasons why he did it, you can too
Convert an Atheist.

Well, while I see it's appealing to belief in a higher power, and I can see the moral values you might gain. But I like to think that I'm a perfectly good person without any belief. And religions are all BS to me, because their holy books (the word of god) has been proven wrong. All-knowing maker? I don't see any benefits of belief that would benefit me. And I don't think it should take belief in a God for someone to think before acting, or being a good person. There is no logical reason to believe in a deity (from what I know), so why do it? In my eyes it just divides people and makes excuses for what humanity can't explain. A lot of the time I see it being used as a reason for conflict, or making money. I know that I don't have to be a part of either of these things, and I wouldn't be encouraging them by believing, but it just makes the whole GOD concept seem pretty awful, considering theres no proof behind all these terrible actions being committed in his name. And if I was to believe in a God, I don't think I'd want to worship him. Why would he let things like the Holocaust, the Japanese Earthquake, The Haiti Disaster, Hurricane Katrina, etc, happen?
Convert an Atheist.

Alright, I'm going to clarify my position. First, I'm not going to convert you to any specific religion, rather I will how you the potential benefits of believing in god and having a religious community I'll start with your case and then move on to develop my own >>>>believing in God is blind faith -Why is blind faith bad? >>>>god is said to be omnipotent and all knowing and his word is final and correct and is all sorts of amazing. As far as I know, certain religious texts deem the Earth to be around 6000 years old. The Earth is proven to be at least a few billion years old. God created man and woman in his own image, but evolution / natural selection has been proven. -I'm no going to lie, these claims made by the religious community piss me off beyond belief. I'm not going to tell you that science is wrong because that would make me stupid. Instead, God and Science can work together. But the main point is, I don't know God, I've never met him/her/it. I don't know what his will is. The Bible is BS, so is the koran, the Torah and all other texts are liars. I don't claim to speak for god. (I'm Deist) I will however use my examples of how I see God and how he helps me,. I don't really have structure to this speech (sorry). I'll start by saying that God is whatever you make him. I find him (personally) as a loving caring thing who, probably, is one of the most chill beings ever. But I don't believe in hell. That is fine. I don't ever claim to know the god(s). Personally, God has simply been for me an incentive to help my community, and for many people this is their incentive to believe. It could help you. Just try it. Like AA, helps many people avoid drinking through religion and community. These are the benefits of God Secondly, It cannot hurt you to believe in a god. If their is no god, you're back at square 1. If there is a god and he's like one of those vengeful god, then you're screwed. You can't lose with religion. I'd like for my opponent to tell me a criteria which he wants me to show him that he should be religious
Convert an Atheist.

Hey there. I'm a pretty strong atheist for a few reasons, I'm not an expert and I don't have a rock solid base of information, so feel free to let me know if something I claim is incorrect. Voting pro would be for me to become religious. -There is no proof of a God, and believing in God is blind faith. -God is said to be omnipotent and all knowing and his word is final and correct and is all sorts of amazing. As far as I know, certain religious texts deem the Earth to be around 6000 years old. The Earth is proven to be at least a few billion years old. -God created man and woman in his own image, but evolution / natural selection has been proven. And I'm sure there's more points that have lead me to this stand of mine, that I can't think of right now, but I'd like to see what some others have to say about it.
Gays should not get married

"However, because of this corrupt society, it is affecting them negatively also." This is paradoxical logic. The whole point of the LGBT movement is to convince people that being gay is just a variation, not a mental disorder. At child centers, children are raised in a mass situation. They never experience being in a small home, given the toys and tools that most kids take foor granted. It is a rough life, even if they do get the bare necessities. There is a difference between being gay and being a pedophile/incest/bestiality. A child may not fully understand the consequences of sex, while two consenting gays do. A horse doesn't even understand the human LANGUAGE, let alone human sex. When you fall in love with your sister, you have the potential to produce biological kids with defects. Since gays can't produce biological children at all, it is no more harmful to society than being forever alone. Besides, gays are a part of society. In the past, famines, wars, and diseases were much more common than they are today. When it came to reproduction, all hands were on deck, and producing 7 children per mother. Otherwise, society would crumble. Now, with more food, more cures, and less war, populations are increasing at a steep rate. Now only 2 children per mother are needed, and that number is as a whole. That means, if some mothers have more than 2 children, it is okay for other people to not have any at all. You should really set longer debate times.
Gays should not get married

Though your comment about adoption was impeccably well thought out, I see it in a different perspective. In those child centres, those children are well enough fed. Now let us say that a child was adopted, unfortunately, many will offend the child because of his 2 dads or mom's. he will have a harder life. This child could have had the chance to be adopted into a happily well family, but instead, the child was adopted into this family with many problems. Also, you mentioned "There is no reason why gay/lesbian/transgendered shouldn't get to marry. It doesn't affect anyone at all, as long as both people are consenting." However because of this corrupt society, it is affecting them negatively also. There are also many other arguments that people mention, such as "People should be aloud to love whoever they please". But if you think like that, then it is also aloud to marry a horse, or fall in love with your sister. I am excited to see more of your interesting arguments
Gays should not get married

There is no reason why gay/lesbian/transgendered shouldn't get to marry. It doesn't affect anyone at all, as long as both people are consenting. "But they can't have children..." First, not everyone can have children. Second, even if a straight couple wants to have children, they might not want to. Third, gays are still able to adopt. There are plenty of parentless kids in the world who need parents. "But doesn't every child deserve a mom and a dad?" Gay adoption doesn't pull kids from a nuclear family. It pulls them from a cruel, dark child center where they may spend their entire childhood. Every child doesn't deserve child deserves loving parents (whether it is a mom, a dad, a mom and a dad, 2 dads, or 2 moms). We really need some people to adopt the millions of starving children, instead of just putting more on this overpopulated globe.
the fight for justice,equality,peaceand love is futile

To state that any attempts to pursue justice, equality, peace and love are futile is similar to watching the bath water in a tub going down the drain. Why bother plugging the drain? The water will eventually seep through the plug and evaporate into the air leaving an empty tub anyway. Why slow down the inevitable? In a larger sense there probably isn't going to be a moment in time when every human being will experience peace and tranquility at the exact same time. Personal serenity is attainable by every individual, if we work for it. You can be in heaven right where you sit, or you can be in hell, the choice is yours! Crime has existed ever since Eve broke the law and ate the forbidden apple. Failure of governments to regulate certain socially condemned behaviors is to invite chaos and discord in proportions that we could never even imagine. Human beings are not born with the concepts of racism and prejudice. These are learned behaviors that are taught to us by society. When we come to realize that these behaviors are wrong then we can begin to learn new, better behaviors. We do not have to be weighed down by the dead weight of injustice, inequality, chaos and hate. Once we learn how to do that then we can soar and feel the peace and serenity that we crave for. The social ills of this world will decrease in direct proportion to the number of human beings that take to heart the concepts expressed by Saint Francis of Assisi. What value is there in debating on whether or not the cup of life is half full because of justice, equality, peace and love; or is half empty because of injustice, inequality, chaos and hate? What matters is what I am personally doing to ensure that I am filling the cup! Remember, every mighty river of this world starts with just a drop of water!
Gay marrige

Gay marriage (this time spelled correctly) should be allowed because: a) The human population is already too high and gay marriage allows it to be at a healthy range. b) People are allowed to love who they love. Not allowing gay marriage is like not allowing "straight" marriage. c) (for those of you with religious beliefs even though I have none) God made every single person in his eye. If he believes that humans can be gay, then they can. d) (also for religious beliefs) Most people are calling gay marriage wrong because the Bible says it is. Let me say one thing to that, it was written thousands of years ago. Back then, incest was the "thing". Now, it is discriminated. Many things have changed since the Bible was written. I don't see anything about voting for president or no cell-phones until age thirteen. e) If gay marriage bothers you so much, then don't be gay. It is that simple. You have no control over any ones life. So just ignore gay people if it bothers you. Please support my beliefs on gay marriage. Thank You
Calvinism VS Open Theism

Thank you, We can do a follow up if you want. Now, I never did see a response to this portion of my argument, Which was the majority of my last post. "Remember this and stand firm, recall it to mind, You transgressors, 9 remember the former things of old; for I am God, And there is no other; I am God, And there is none like me, 10 declaring the end from the beginning and from ancient times things not yet done, saying, "My counsel shall stand, and I will accomplish all my purpose, " 11 calling a bird of prey from the east, the man of my counsel from a far country. I have spoken, And I will bring it to pass; I have purposed, And I will do it. " As it pertains to the bolded portion, I think the greatest example of this can be found in the example of the crucifixion. In Genesis 3:15 we are told that the seed of the serpent shall bruise the heel of the seed of the woman, But the woman's seed shall bruise his head. This is called the protoevangelion, The first gospel. In Acts 2:23 we read this, ". . . This Man, Delivered over by the predetermined plan and foreknowledge of God, You nailed to a cross by the hands of godless men and put Him to death. ", And again in Acts 4:27-28, "For truly in this city there were gathered together against Your holy servant Jesus, Whom You anointed, Both Herod and Pontius Pilate, Along with the Gentiles and the peoples of Israel, To do whatever Your hand and Your purpose predestined to occur". We see this extends to his burial and resurrection as well. "And he made his grave with the wicked, And with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, Neither was any deceit in his mouth. " Isaiah 53:9 "When the even was come, There came a rich man of Arimathaea, Named Joseph, Who also himself was Jesus' disciple: He went to Pilate, And begged the Body of Jesus. Then Pilate commanded the body to be delivered. And when Joseph had taken the body, He wrapped it in a clean linen cloth, And laid it in his own new tomb, Which he had hewn out in the rock: and he rolled a great stone to the door of the sepulchre, And departed. " Matthew 27:57-60 "But God raised Him up again, Putting an end to the agony of death, Since it was impossible for Him to be held in its power. 25 For David says of Him, "I saw the Lord always in my presence; For He is at my right hand, So that I will not be shaken. 26 "Therefore my heart was glad and my tongue exulted; Moreover my flesh also will live in hope; 27 Because You will not abandon my soul to Hades, Nor allow Your Holy One to undergo decay. " Acts 2:24-28 We see that everything was foreordained. Christ was put to death by the hands of sinful men, As it was foreordained.
Calvinism VS Open Theism

Dear dbox, I do apologize for my short first argument. I didn't realize that is how these debates work. Also, I can't figure out how to comment so I couldn't respond to your question. The debate is on whether God pre-ordained all things before He created the universe. My school teaches a Calvinistic view on theology. One quote from "Streams of Civilization Volume 2" is "The Christian student in enabled by the Word of God to make great progress in evaluating history in the light of Scripture. For example, He knows that the rise of Communist Russia, Nazi Germany, And other totalitarian states were not accidents but part of God's plan for the chastening of an impenitent West and for the purifying of a church that had become apostate in great measure. " I'm not saying you believe this passage, But it does show a sad part about Calvinism. Calvinists believe that all of the sin in the world was ordained by God for His purpose. Calvinism also says that man is incapable of being good, Which contradicts Philippians 2:14-16 which says "Do everything without grumbling or arguing, So that you may become blameless and pure, Children of God without fault in a warped and crooked generation. Then you will shine among them like stars in the sky as you hold firmly to the word of life. " Also, It teaches about the elect. The elect are a group of people chosen by God to go to Heaven. There are only so many elect and no-one can break free of being elect, Or becoming elect. This contradicts mans free-will. One last question I ask you, Do you believe that God pre-ordained sins? And if He did, Are we able to sin in another manner? For instance, Could Eve have chosen a different fruit from the tree of life, Or did God dictate the particular way in which she would sin? Finally, Could Eve have CHOSEN not to sin? Respectfully, C Gerst
Calvinism VS Open Theism

Pro, The way this is set up is not a very good format as Pro presents a vastly broad and nebulous topic as his position. Really this is set up as if I were the one who started the debate, So I will just present a verse that shows that God is the one who directs the whole of history for HIs purpose and that His past actions had guaranteed future results that God foretold well before they happened. God is not bound by His own creation. "To whom will you liken me and make me equal, and compare me, That we may be alike? 6 Those who lavish gold from the purse, and weigh out silver in the scales, hire a goldsmith, And he makes it into a god; then they fall down and worship! 7 They lift it to their shoulders, They carry it, they set it in its place, And it stands there; it cannot move from its place. If one cries to it, It does not answer or save him from his trouble. 8 "Remember this and stand firm, recall it to mind, You transgressors, 9 remember the former things of old; for I am God, And there is no other; I am God, And there is none like me, 10 declaring the end from the beginning and from ancient times things not yet done, saying, "My counsel shall stand, and I will accomplish all my purpose, " 11 calling a bird of prey from the east, the man of my counsel from a far country. I have spoken, And I will bring it to pass; I have purposed, And I will do it. 12 "Listen to me, You stubborn of heart, you who are far from righteousness: 13 I bring near my righteousness; it is not far off, and my salvation will not delay; I will put salvation in Zion, for Israel my glory. " The focus is on verses 8-11. God declares from the ancient times the things that have not yet come to pass. This is most highly exemplified in Christ, The Lamb who was slain before the foundation of the world, Foreordained to die at the fullness of time for the sins of His Church. Respectfully, dbox