Time and Energy Have no Beginning From a Biblical and/or Scientific Viewpoint

I will begin my rebuttal by simply re-explaining the watch theory. I said as it is getting closer to the center of the black hole, then it would slow down. In actuality the point I was trying to make was that in the center of the black hole there is no time being passed due to the gravitational warp of gravity. My opponent still fails to understand that there is no time outside of singularity, because no time was passing. He says "The watch isn't time itself, because if the watch slows to a complete stop, we could ask the question: HOW MUCH TIME HAS PASSED since the clock stopped?" He is right in that the watch is not time itself, however, it is in fact a measure of time. If the clock stops working inside the black hole, then there is no time passing. The funny thing about singularity is that this question doesn't even apply "HOW MUCH TIME HAS PASSED since the clock stopped" The clock never started. That is what he fails to comprehend. If the clock never started, then there has been no time until the clock starts... Thus he himself has aided me in proving my point that time had a definite beginning. Now onto my Cause/Effect debate. When I meant trace anything, I was referring to matter. Of course God had power and emotions etc. Yes it is fair to say those emotions are eternal. Now onto my opponents argument. "So while there may be no events going on in the black hole, time is still passing." In which way exactly is time passing in singularity if all the matter/energy in the universe is inside a block whole where it is impossible for time to pass? I have previously explained that is not possible for time to pass due to the gravitational time warp the black whole, but my opponent thinks that magically, time was just ticking. "So while there may be no events going on in the black hole, time is still passing. But Con goes on to contradict the very point he is making. He says, "If all the matter/energy in the universe was CONDENSED inside the black hole BEFORE the big bang, then no time was passing." This proves again that energy was not created, because if existed in condensed form, it merely changed its form at the Big Bang." I do not actually contradict what I am saying. Just because matter and energy were around before the big bang, does not mean that that they were not created. P1 Singularity is the beginning of all matter/energy P2 God could have existed in a state outside of singularity to create it P3 God could have created singularity. P4 If god created all the energy in singularity, then he used no energy to do it C1 If god created singularity, and singularity was the genesis of matter/energy, then matter and energy have a definite beginning P4 No time passes within singularity P5 At the moment of the big bang, all the matter/energy from the black hole was released. P6 The matter/energy is no longer in the black hole P7 Time was not passing in the black hole before the big bang P8 Time is passing currently after the big bang C2 Time has a definite beginning as well Another point my opponent attempt s to make is that. "Energy cannot be created or destroyed, and that is a known fact of science, therefore, God didn't create energy." Does my opponent really think that the man who created the laws of science in fact is bound by them in anyway/ Us HUMANS cannot create energy or matter, but what sense would it make for the ultimate creator not to be able to do that? It is also possible that the energy was created before the laws of science, therefore he wouldn't have even broken them. He also claims that "If God created energy, with what did he create it? The Bible describes God as being powerful, and power is energy, thus, God always had energy as one of his attributes, thus, energy always exited. Isaiah 40:26 says that God used "power" to create the stars, and what is power if not energy?" So my opponent would agree that all power is energy? Does a king have this kind of energy? No he does not. The energy being referred to is the holy spirit, which is not bound by the laws it created. The power god used to create singularity was the holy spirit, and he then used singularity to create the big bang, which in turn created the stars "Con says Stephen Hawking shares his view, but so what? What does this prove? I could name folks just as intelligent and distinguished as Hawkings who agree with atheists that God doesn"t exist, does that make them right? Many intelligent folks believe in all kinds of strange things, but does it make them right? No. Such appeals to authority prove nothing." It does not prove anything. I even said I have a different perspective from him that does include God. However, he is an incredibly intelligent scientist who knows significantly more than both of us combined. I think it is fair to say that his opinion is credible due to his years of studies and various academic achievements. "The Big Bang is an event, and event only occur IN TIME, therefore time existed prior to the Big Bang." Although events do occur in time, you would have to agree that a timeline always has a beginning. I will not bother explaining the absence of time in singularity again and how the big bang marked the beginning of time. "Because we, and all other created things, are finite, we can only experience time in a linear way, since we have a beginning. But God does not have a beginning, so he exists in the past, present, and future simultaneously. Now if the future does not yet exist, I would like Con to tell us how does God know the future?" God chooses not to decide the future, he let's us handle that. He alters his plans for us everyday based on the actions we take. This is a major point in Christianity that means that we are free to do as we choose. Otherwise, sinners could not correct their wrongs on their own and nobody could have ever committed a valid sin because in a way we would have been forced to do so. "The Bible itself speaks of time being in existence before the Big Bang. Psalm 90:2 says that God existed from eternity to eternity, which all scholars know means the eternal past and eternal future, but what is "eternity" if not time? Thus time was always there." As I have said on numerous occasions, god did in fact exist before the start of time. He existed before the creation of matter/energy because he is the one who controls it. No time was passing however because there was no time created yet. Time is just another of his works. In conclusion, God laid out every aspect of our universe, including energy/matter and time. If god created them, then they have a definite beginning. Back to pro