Nicean Trinity against Socinus' Trinity

Adonai Not Equivalent to YahwehAs I already elucidated in Round #2, Jesus is not just "Adoni" but also "YHWH". I agree with my opponent that Adoni is not equivalent to YHWH, the tetragrammaton whcih is God's name but he has yet to respond to my escriptural proof that Christ is both "Adoni" and "Adonai" based on Psalm 110:1 and Psalm 110:5. The Wisdom of GodProverbs 8:22 LXX won't teach a doctrine contrary to the rest of the Scriptures and Logic.The Greek word" ektisen (from ktisis)" denotes four things, namely, (1) a creature (2) to create,to form (3) to found (4) to ordain, to appoint.To translate and view ektisen in Proverbs 8:22 LXX as definition 1,2 and 3 is to say that God's Wisdom is "a creature, created" is to believe that there was a time when God is not wise. This does not only violates immediate context but also the greater context of scripture as a whole.**The only definition that fits into the word is no. 4 based on the context per se."The Lord appointed me (per context v. 30) as the origin of his work, before his works of old."This is not of my own making.Athanasius agrees.He viewed Proverbs 8:22 as such.** Revelation 3:14 The source of God's creation.Colossians 1:15 The First-born over i.e. Preeminent over all creationThe Greek word " prototokos" literally means " first in birth order" and figuratively it means " special status associated with a firstborn even when you're not a literal firstborn * Jer. 31:9 LXX). The Greek word "Prototokos" doesn't have an inherent partitive value as proven from the scriptures per se:Colossians 1:18 prototokos ek ton neknon ( ton teknon is partitive genitive because of the preposition EK).Revelation 1:5 prototokos ton nekron ( preposition EK is NOT present. So we need to see the context to know what genitive it is. Contextually, ton nekron here is impossible to be a partitive genitive because Rev. 1:17-18 explicilty said that Christ was no longer dead so he can't be part of the dead. Context shows that genitive of subordination is the plausible answer. ...Ruler over the dead, ruler over the kings of the earth... v.5)So, in Col 1:15, the Son must be Over all creation for through him were created all of it as the next verse clearly says.John 5:26 The Son has the SAME life the Father has their title inevitably and essentially applies. Both are coeval and self-existent therefore both are of same nature ( homoousios). It was styled here as something given,that is, communicated. What this means is about the great and age-old teaching about the Eternal Sonship via Eternal Generation:http://christologians.blogspot.com...http://christologians.blogspot.com...The TrinityThe Trinity itself is a teaching in the scriptures that is clearly expressed therein albeit not in systematic theology.It was and has been systematized for only one purpose: to refute heresy. By doing so, Christians are safeguarded against false theology and triumphantly obeys Jude 1:3.The Trinity is not an evolved doctrine. It was not that people believe in one personed deity into two and then became three. The early church always believe and affirm the Trinityhttp://en.wikipedia.org.... The Apostles did understand the Trinity and hypostatic union but only expressed it in contemporary terms out of evangelistic needs in the centuries like that of in the 3rd and 5th. The Nicean and Chalcedonian christologies were believed by the primitive church albeit it was systematized theologically later on. It was neither developed as if it was not before as it appears now nor invented as if it was new in the later centuries. And for note, I am not saying that the Apostles understands this quickly for Jesus said that many things he wants them to know that they can't bear now but he lets the Holy Spirit to be the one to tell it in the near future. As we can notice, all of the NT books were presenting Jesus as first Christ and later as the Son of God. Gradual revelation within the Apostolic time, from the humanity to divinity of Christ together with his offices as God and Man.ArgumentsThe Holy Spirit I agree with my opponent that the Jews (before Christianity) understood the Holy Spirit as the presence of God, calling it the 'Shekhinah' but they did not identify it as a person.But in the advent of Christianity, the Holy Spirit is viewed as a real person just as the Wisdom afore is personified but now a real person too ( 1 Cor. 1:24).Jesus is a person*, right? Then it means the Holy Spirit must be a person too because he is an another helper ( Greek: allos paracleton). - *1 John 2:1"I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever; ( John 14:16 NASB)The Holy Spirit is worshiped:via Apostolic benediction and Prayer 2 Corinthians 13:14 New International Version (NIV) 14 May the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all. via Apostolic Greeting: Revelation 1:4-6: John, To the seven churches in the province of Asia: Grace and peace to you from him who is, and who was, and who is to come, and from the seven spirits before his throne, 5 and from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth. To him who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood, 6 and has made us to be a kingdom and priests to serve his God and Father—to him be glory and power for ever and ever! Amen. Jesus as AngelFirst, let me elucidate that no where in the Bible is Jesus directly called an angel. Hebrews 1 on the other hand clearly states that Jesus IS NOT an angel.I agree with my opponent that angel means "messenger" and this is what Jesus is called. Jesus is the messenger of Yahweh, and a messenger of someone cannot be of the same identity of that someone. I totally agree that a messenger of someone cannot be of the same identity of that someone but I will argue that a messenger of someone cannot be of the same nature of that someone.Jesus sent the Apostles. That doesn't mean they are heteroousios ( of different nature).The US ambassador was sent to Philippines by an authority. That doesn't mean they are heteroousios ( of different nature). A human mother sent her human child to school etc. That doesn't mean they are heteroousios ( of different nature). That is, being sent by somebody doesn't neccessiatate that you are of different nature than the one who sent you. Look at this verse: Genesis 19:24 – “Then the LORD rained on Sodom and Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven” (NASB)Ante-Nicean QuotesYou misinterpret your quotations from the Ante-Nicean Patristics.Here is the larger context, check it out:Justin Martyr believes that Jesus is God: http://christologians.blogspot.com...Irenaeus believes that Jesus is God:http://christologians.blogspot.com...Various Quotes from Jesus and PaulI wholly agree with the verses you mentioned and this is its context:John 20:21 Jesus is the Word incarnate, thats's why.View my scriptural and logical argument:http://christologians.blogspot.com...John 17:3 I already expalined this clearly in Round #2. Letter (C).1 Corinthians 8:6Well, is the Father not "one Lord"? Summary:Again, was there anytime when God was not wise?There is no historical evidence that there is a pre-christian Trinity. Is there a teaching of one God in three persons B.C. ? If there is, please show one.I never wrote the word " mystery" in here. Perhaps, you are generalizing how some Trinitarians elucidate the teaching.An Angel can't redeem us. Hebrews tells us that the Son is not an angel but is consubstantial with God ( 1:3), is God ( 1:8) and that he partook of human nature ( 2:14) , it was humans that he helps not angels.