This House Believes that a Welfare System is a force for good

Well first I will explain what I think the welfare system would look best as. Now I believe that the people who cannot help themselves such as physically handicapped/ mentally handicapped should be allowed to have government assistance in the form of Welfare. I'm not going to debate on that because I don't think there is much of an argument for not helping people that cant help themselves. I think the best possible social program is a job (Ronald Reagan) In response to your argument about equality Well first off lets remember what society is. Society is just people. In a way there is no society, because it is just people. So society has no moral obligation. People have moral obligations. The reason I wanted to make this point is that society makes it sound like its the groups responsibility and I think that it should be the individuals who do things according to what they feel is morally obliged. I will agree that poverty is never a good thing. But we have to ask which way is the best way to escape poverty? Capitalism, and more freedom/less government is how you reduce poverty. If the Welfare system works so well how come England, and Germany have higher poverty rates than the United States? [1]Even tho England spends 6% more compared to gdp then we do and Germany( the system you support) spends 12% more compared to gdp then America. [2] In america it costs us over 400 billion dollars every year. If we didn't have this massive welfare system we would have some control over our deficit. [3] Finally the last point i want to bring up for this paragraph is that Welfare only gives about 30% of what it takes in to poor people. most charities can easily get into the 70%-80% range. So which is more moral to have money forcibly taken from you so that 30% of it can go to poor people, Or people voluntarily giving there money to organizations which give at least 70% of the money you give to people who need it. The Idea behind welfare is not to rise tides by lifting all ships its to take water from the deep end of a pool to put it into the shallow end. How does it help all people if we take from some people to give to others. Now maybe its just me but when you take something by force and do with it what you want that's called stealing. Every dollar we give to the poor we have to take from someone else. This burden falls on the rich. I do not understand the logic of taking from people who work hard to give to people who are not working. I also am against government helping businesses. I dont understand the logic of saying welfare helps workers so it benefits the companies? If the youth was able to get jobs they would have the abilities to work in higher skilled jobs and not have to rely on the government. Well you and I have very different definitions of freedom. My idea of freedom is someone having the right to do whatever they want to as long as it does not affect someone else. A free market system has more freedom then government because the free market cannot take a dime from you unless you decide to spend it. On the other hand the government can take from you with force therefore they are far more dangerous to liberty then any corporation. Also I don't know what your talking about with freedom causing all these terrible things. First off the banks didnt cause the economy to wreck that was a failure of the government. Tax cuts for the rich don't hurt anyone it gives rich people more money to invest into the economy. The minimum wage is also a bad thing. The rich do not exploit the poor. The rich pay a much larger share of the taxes then the poor do and create a ton of jobs. You act as if there was no welfare system that everyone would die and no one would take care of them. That is flat out not true. private charity would come in and help or the persons friends/ family would. [4]Why is it that America who has a much smaller welfare system is far more charitable then any other nation on earth? Its because we don't need government to tell us to give, we know what is right to do and so we do it. My idea to change the welfare system is to give people who make a small amount of money is to give them a negative income tax. This would help people who work but are still in need of money. You seem a very intelligent debater and i am glad we can talk about the issues like this. 1. http://en.wikipedia.org... 2. http://www.usgovernmentspending.com... 3. http://mises.org... 4. http://www.huffingtonpost.com...