English premier league vs Spanish la liga.

Responses: (1) "The EPL has more good teams. Good meaning teams that are capable of playing at the highest level." My opponent does not specify what the "highest level" is. I would personally assume that the highest level would be playing in a top league, or else these players wouldn't be paid as much as they are. In fact, this debate is very dependent upon what the "highest level" actually is. I think what you meant to say was the EPL has more title contenders. Firstly, I would like to point out that only three of these teams have won the title in the Barclays Premier League, those were Manchester United, Chelsea, and Arsenal. In fact, those are the only teams that really had a realistic chance of winning it this year. Manchester City is on the verge of competing because of their huge wealth, yet they don't have a proper coach or proper team unity to really contend for the title. Perhaps you meant wealth as five of the teams being extremely rich (maybe soon to be six with Blackburn being bought). But I don't think wealth makes a league great. My opponent claims La Liga has only two "good teams." Again, if you mean title contenders then you are right, however, if you mean high level of play you have Valencia, Villareal, Atletico Madrid, and Sevilla, who I dare say would give a mighty fine challenge to any top EPL team. You may say, well they can't touch either the likes of Barca or Real Madrid, yet who can? The question is, if the EPL and La Liga combined, would Chelsea or Man United be any closer than Valencia? That's not even considering the likes of Arsenal, Man City, Bolton, or Tottenham. What I'm saying is that there is no evidence that Man City and Arsenal are any better than Villareal and Valencia. "All the EPL's best teams are at the same level." This is a complete joke; WBA, Wigan, Wolves, and West Ham are not on the same level as the top four and so on. What you mean is that they are capable of beating each other, yet this is non-unique. I think it was Hercules, the last place team, that beat Barcelona 1-0 and Osasuna who beat Real Madrid 1-0 all this season. If these team could not compete in the leagues they are in, then they wouldn't be competing. (2) "As I have said the EPL has 6 good teams." I think I have shown that this statement is incorrect, or incorrectly stated. "So it also has many good players, and is a stronger attraction for players from foreign leagues to come to the EPL." The second statement is based on the first, therefore, it is already invalid. But lets take your point that the EPL is littered with world class players. You take the example of Andy Carroll from "Newcastle a newly promoted team!" Newcastle is one of England's most prestigious clubs; they had a rough year, which was certainly not due to player quality. They destroyed in the second tier football once they got it together. Andy Carroll has been under the eye of top teams since Newcastle was previously in the EPL. Joey Barton was an international. Nolan was unreal when he was at Bolton. Secondly, its not unusual to have averaged positioned teams with world class talent. David Villa previously played at Sporting Gijon, Zaragosa, and Valencia before coming to Barcelona. Look at the likes of Eto'o, Milito, and Canales. (3) "Barcelona are I must confess the best team in the world." Interesting. I'll come back to this. My opponent claims that there would be 2 spanish teams and 6 English teams competing for Champions League places if the leagues were combined. I would argue that nothing says Valencia, Atletico, and Villareal wouldn't also compete for the spot. Also, he suggests that most of the teams being relegated would be Spanish. I really don't think my opponent has proven Spanish teams are lower quality then English teams. (4) "England is more professional and modernized in how they set up the teams. That is why they have so many good teams. They have good coaches, good youth systems, and good training techniques." I don't think anything supports this assertion. Barcelona and Real Madrid have very good youth systems, bigger stadiums, just as good coaches (if not better), and clearly better training techniques. Pro asserts that the defense is better in the Premier league because less goals are scored. But this is illogical because the more likely reason for the famous Barcelona blowouts is because of outrageous attacking skill that cannot be matched anywhere else in the world. Statistically, Barcelona have a better defense than Manchester United, and Real Madrid certainly have a formidable defense with the likes of Ramos, Pepe, Carvalio, and Casillas. I think my opponents arguments are not very conclusive, and thus I move on to my own. I. La Liga has the best players in the world. The best league should have the best players, and La Liga has owned the world's best players in the past and in the present. Let's see what some of the recent FIFA World Players of the year were: 1994 – Romario 1996, 1997 – Ronaldo 1998 – Zidane 1999 – Rivaldo 2000 – Zidane 2001 – Figo 2002 – Ronaldo 2003 – Zidane 2004, 2005 – Ronaldinho 2006 – Cannavaro 2007 – Kaka 2008 – C. Ronaldo 2009 – Messi [1] Each of these players were/are La Liga players. Can the Premier League come close to that statistic? Currently Messi is the best player in the world. He can do things with the ball that no one could or will do in the history of football. If we had to destroy either the EPL or La Liga, I think we would have to destroy the EPL so that we could continue to watch Messi and his rival, C. Ronaldo arguably the second best player. Actually, in second and third currently are Xavi and Iniesta. In fact, there are plenty of players with world class skill that can't be found in the EPL such as Villa, Higuain, Oezil, Aguero, Nilmar, Rossi, Kaka, Mata, etc. No one can watch such amazing skill anywhere other than La Liga, which brings me to my next point. II. The style of play in La Liga is much more attractive then the EPL. The English style of football has always been more direct, less fancy, and full of crunching challenges, while Spanish football is known for slick passing and daring dribbles. Players like Xavi, Xabi Alonso, and Valero are known for their sublime passing skills. Of course, Barcelona is by far the best passing team in the world, able to pass through the best defenses. Also, La Liga has displayed acts of dribbling that are unrivaled anywhere else. Take Messi's goal against Getafe, or Ronaldinho against Madrid. The Spanish style of football can be exemplified by their national team, which won the World Cup. The only three national team players that don't play in La Liga are Fabregas, Torres, and Silva none of whom started the national team on a regular basis. England, all their players being from the EPL as far as I know, didn't do so well. III. La Liga has the two best teams in the world. My opponent has already admitted that Barcelona is the best team in the world. Real Madrid has generally kept up with Barcelona throughout the title race and beat them in the Copa del Ray. Combined, they have billions of dollars worth of players. When the two teams play each other, a game called the El Clasico, the most entertaining, intense football I have ever seen is played. There are typically red cards, insane goals, fights, penalty kicks, Ronaldo diving, Messi mocking defenders, etc. No games in the EPL can emulate such a dramatic and entertaining rivalry than the El Clasico. For more information on the El Clasico, http://en.wikipedia.org... IV. Bolton just beat Arsenal I don't know if this is relevant. I just wanted to point it out. Conclusion – Audiences who want to watch the best players, the most attractive style, and the best two teams in the world want to watch La Liga. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org...