The Biblical God and the God of the Qu'ran are not the same!

With that said, let's move on to the argument. My opponent has made her stance plain in her first round by saying that Jesus Christ is not a God but merely a messenger or prophet of the God called the Father. That the Biblical God the Father is the same God of the Qu'ran and the Bible. This is the meat of the argument and what I will focus on. I will show here that Jesus Christ is in fact the God in the Old Testament, there is a God the Father as well, and that the God described in the Qu'ran is quite different than the God of the New or Old Testament. C1. My first contention is that Jesus is the God of the Old and New Testament. That the Father gave Him power and glory in the creation. Let's look at what the New Testament says about Jesus Christ. Colossians 1:12, ". .Thanks unto the Father, which hath made us. .to be partakers. ..13 Who hath delivered. .and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:14 In whom we have the forgiveness of sins:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth. .. all things were created by him, and for him:17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning. ..19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;20 And. .. by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven. "To explain here so we can fully understand, these verses are clearly describing Jesus Christ as the first born of all creation. Jesus Christ is the living Word of God and the fulfilling action of the spoken Word of God. We see that Jesus Christ the Son created all things in earth and in heaven for His own pleasure with the power of God the Father, Jesus Christ is that spoken Word. John 1:1, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.2 The same was in the beginning with God.3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. " We see here that my interpretation is even more verified by these verses. It is stating that Jesus Christ is the Word, the Word is with God the Father, and that makes the Word also God. That the Word created all things and made all things. I am sure Fruitytree will contend that Abraham was before Jesus Christ as a prophet. Jesus claimed different as I have shown above and will show it further. John 8:58, "58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. " Mark 14:60, "And the high priest. .61. . asked him, and said unto him, Art thou the Christ, the Son of the Blessed?62 And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven. " The Old Testament God made a similiar statement when He said to Moses: Exodus 3:14, "And God said unto Moses, I Am That I Am: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I Am hath sent me unto you. " "I AM" is one of the Seven Names of God according to Jewish tradition. It is pretty clear that Jesus Christ was saying, “I am Israel’s God. ” If Jesus Christ is Israel's God then He is the God talking throughout the Old Testament and clearly is not the God of Islam. Genesis 1:1. "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. " Deuteronomy 6:4, "Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord:" The Hebrew word for God here is Elohim. By combining "EL" to "Ohim" it becomes distinct as a plural form from the root El, which can be used to mean Gods in plural. This gives credance for the doctrine of the trinity of, God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Ghost. The Hebrew word for "God," "Elohim," definitely allows for the Trinity. We see here: Matthew 28:19, "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. " 1 John 5:7, "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word(Jesus), and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. " I think this contention gives much reason to believe that Jesus Christ is the creator of man and the world. That He is the God of Israel through the power of the Father. The Father may be the chief of the Godhead but the Son is also of the Godhead and not just a prophet as claimed by the Qu'ran. I will now move on to contention two. 2. God of Qu'ran and Old Testament are different. First we never see in the Bible that God causes pain or torment on His prophets when revealing His Word to them by Himself or through angels. In the Qu'ran Muhammad describes this very thing. Quoting from the Hadith of Bukhari, 9.111: "The commencement of the Divine Inspiration to Allah's Apostle was in the form of good righteous. .. He never had a dream but that it came true like bright day light. He used to go in seclusion (the cave of) Hira where he used to worship(Allah Alone) continuously for many (days) nights. .. suddenly the Truth descended upon him while he was in the cave of Hira. The angel came to him in it and asked him to read. The Prophet replied, "I do not know how to read. " (The Prophet added), "The angel caught me (forcefully) and pressed me so hard that I could not bear it anymore. He then released me and again asked me to read, and I replied, "I do not know how to read," whereupon he caught me again and pressed me a second time till I could not bear it anymore. He then released me and asked me again to read, but again I replied, "I do not know how to read (or, what shall I read? ). " Thereupon he caught me for the third time and pressed me and then released me and said, "Read: In the Name of your Lord, Who has created (all that exists). " . http://answering-islam.org...; No where in the Bible do we here of any prophet or apostle being pressed to write or know God's Word. This is a major difference in revelations between the two. There are more experiences like in the Qu'ran for Muhammad that I may expand on in the next round. The God of the Qu'ran is described as & The God of the Bible is described as: (a. ) Qu'ran "Allah loves not transgressors" (2:190) Bible: Psalms 51:13 "Then will I teach transgressors thy ways; and sinners shall be converted unto thee. " (b. )Bible: Monotheistic, Trinitarian, (Isaiah 43:10; 44:6-8; Matt. 28:19; 2 Cor. 13:14). Qu'ran: Monotheistic (5:73; 112:1-4), denies the Trinity (5:73). (c. ) Bible: Worship on Sabbath (Exodus 20) then later on Sunday (Rom. 14:5-6; Acts 20:7; 1 Cor. 16:1-2). Qu'ran: Worship on Friday (62:9). (d. ) Bible: Miracles, numerous are recorded (1 Cor. 15:3-5, etc. ). Qu'ran: No Miracles recorded, except they claim the Qur'an is a miracle. (e. ) Bible: Makes numerous prophecies (Isaiah 53; Micah 5:2, etc. ). Qu'ran: Makes no prophecies. (f. ) Bible: Yahweh, the God of the Bible, knows us; He is knowable and approachable. Qu'ran: Allah is not personal, knowable, or approachable. Of the 99 names for God in the Qur’an, Father is not one of them. In Islam, it is considered blasphemous to “presume” that one can know God or claim any sort of close, personal fellowship with Allah. He reveals his will, not himself. (g. ) Bible: Yahweh, the God of the Bible, loves all people. His love is not a response to our goodness, but in spite of our lack of goodness. Even though God hates sin, He loves the sinner and takes no pleasure in punishing him (Eze. 18:23). His love for all people is unconditional. Qur’an: Allah loves those he chooses to love and hates those he chooses to hate. It appears his love or hate is in response to human behavior. “Allah loves not those that do wrong,” says the Qur’an (Surah 3:140), neither does he love “him who is treacherous, sinful” (Surah 4:107). I think this is a good starting point here. I await Con's response.