Rob Lucci vs Itachi

1 - Yes , I say That would be ineffective because water formed by chakra , top it off with different properties of ordinary water would not bring problems to the user fruit . Those Oda quoted sources from Which users would suffer yes , but note That It is only natural sources emit the same Which energy from the sea , this is the point . 2 - You ignores evasion que Lucci could do pretty much faster than performing the jutsu Itachi , he Could catch off guard while he performs this jutsu que Relatively requires concentration . 3 - I noticed here That You skirted many possibilities closer to reality . Still it does not cease to be the element you just que form . Even created by chakra , is an element type , the more the less . You did not leave any evidence que this could happen , or happened in some part of Naruto / Naruto Shippuden , his argument is disregarded . 4 - On the speed unfortunately I lost the thread you replied to Lucci 's Soru speed . But is there a topic down there que shows the superiority of speed Lucci on Itachi . Here are some facts for an object near us despare"er our eyes is 200 mph ( see website lifesmith saying about working the vision processing speed 170 mph ) . If Lucci has 4000 times the normal capacity of the person much strength as for general skills , it is Necessary to state que his speed Should be 4000 times more inclusive. In the fight Luffy in leopard mode hybrid was shown him traveling 20 meters in an instant snapshots 30 meters and a speed much higher than anything shown Itachi . Example : In his fight against Sasuke , Which were exploited almost all his abilities , shown there was nothing Compared to Lucci in his last fight . 5 - Yes , Kami -E can not detect what was the real Itachi , but he Could very well anticipate Their attacks from anywhere . You disregards the fruit que Allows turning Lucci Leopard Hybrid and have heightened Their senses ( smell , hearing , vision ... ) And be able to know very well Where They Are Coming attacks . Could Lucci Luffy quickly shoot the shigans he did in the distance and delete clones Itachi . With Their hearing to know where Itachi and pick guard , cutting in half One of Those rocks with Rangyouku Itachi would probably be hidden . 2 - Contender 1 - CON comments that Sasuke's Amaterasu is inferior to Itachi . It might be true , but there is no driving to this claim , because in chapter 478 confirms that only Tsukyomi was lower , not Amaterasu , his argument has just been disregarded . 2 - Again , missed the topic that he outlined this issue , however , just induce Lucci speed through the website I left as evidence ( which as I said is faster than any kind of clue that we have seen over Itachi , if any objection , show proof . 's speed Luffy tries to debunk that you should consider that he was not at his peak , he was very tired and almost defeated. 3 - Contender 1 - This is invalid because it works with any one, in his universe . 2 - Itachi could not see the movements of Raikage is a difference too high , let's see how Sasuke left in the fight , even if Itachi is alarmingly higher the speed of perception of Sasuke , but still it makes no difference if the speed of the Raikage is a divide the difference , it would be difficult to read the movements of Raikage still. As shown in the Sasuke vs Itachi fight, was not such a big difference , were matched up if I may say . 3 - The proof is in the first fight they had , Luffy defeated Lucci quickly with just a common scam . Luffy in Gear 2 is already a major difference , just like Leopard Lucci is way too. The evidence is there in the sources . In short , Lucci and Luffy without any superiority of shapes , Lucci proved stronger , but their ultimate levels are matched , pretty much what we saw Luffy Lucci would be about what they could do. http://onepiece.wikia.com... 400 times 200 is 80,000 which is mach 105.1 proof: http://www.unitarium.com... so there you have it a mid tier in OP was triple digit mach speed. http://www.lifesmith.com... first number http://lounge.moviecodec.com...