Eish HaMilchama

For readability, all my opponents quotes are italicized. You clearly have a lot of time on your hand, and I won"t be able to respond to every argument. "While it is true that the Mishna teaches "that a person who contemplates that which is above him, behind him, or beneath him, such a person is better off never having been born," you're taking it [or that Mishna line] out of context." Let me explain to you what this part of the Mishnah really teaches: It has to do with the first letter in Bereshit. From a paper I wrote a while back: "This is why the Torah is so significant, because it was written by G-d, and every letter has importance, even the shape of the letters. So, for example, in the first words of Genesis, especially the first, we find that "beth - (בת ')" has meaning, which, without, we couldn't have possibly understood our universe. At first, such a small minute detail may sound stoic and peripheral, but the rabbis based all their knowledge off the tiniest letters of the Bible. When you someday study Kabbalah, you will find that this comprises the whole essence. One is to meditate and study the words of the Torah because they reflect reality. So what's so important about the first Hebrew word of the Bible? "beth" means knowledge that cannot be investigated any further - because there is no time to reference, no information to munch upon - nothing, absolutely nothing. "beth" means that there was nothing before time, it is the very opening of time itself, and is first used in Genesis 1:1." This Mishnah teaches us about this letter, that we cannot stud "above it, beneath it," and on. That"s the point. We"re not to phantom the creation of the universe. The Mishnah, to my understanding and education, is just commentary on the Torah. Since the Torah is partly made up of laws (it"s also part narrative, see Genesis; in this case, a history book teaching about spirituality), it too teaches on law. Mostly regarding spiritual law. The reason why I still believe you took it out of context is because you"re trying to say that we shouldn"t understand the Torah today, that it"s an old, dead document, and cold as stone. That we cannot phantom what Moshe knew, and you try and prove that by stating that Moshe knew more than one G-d. Therefore, they do "bare" resemblance, stop trying to make me the fool. Yes, the Torah"s main focus is spiritual, but I bet you no one would listen to it if you were to say the Exodus (a historical event) never happened. Go and obey your G-d because I [Moshe] say so. Come on! Of course the Torah teaches a bit of history, it"s the best friend of archaeologists! That"s what makes it so powerful, like the Gemara itself, Torah teaches, practically everything! You say there were no independent eyewitnesses to the giving of Torah? The whole nation of Israel were eyewitnesses! You then accuse me of misreading your post, but I clearly recall you saying that there is no Name of G-d in the first commandment. ""Yu say [the Torah] doesn't [mention the Name of God". No you have made a fundamental error in basic reading. I said that the Xtian Bible and Arab Koran does not mention the Name of God. Honestly dude, you need to read what i wrote." That"s not what I got out of that. It seemed to me that you"re just saying the name of G-d isn"t in Torah. That"s your fault, not mine. ""Yes, the first commandment doesn't mention His name, so what." Dude you do not even read the Torah correctly, at least your consistent! The first commandment of Sinai opens with the Name of HaShem!!!!" Yes, I agree with that. Here it is: אָֽנֹכִ֨י יְהֹוָ֣ה אֱלֹהֶ֔יךָ אֲשֶׁ֣ר הֽוֹצֵאתִ֩יךָ֩ מֵאֶ֨רֶץ מִצְרַ֜יִם מִבֵּ֣ית עֲבָדִ֗ים: The Holy Name (אֱלֹהִים) as a judge (אֱֱלֹהִים). This name is one name of HaShem. His true name, (י ה ו הR36;)R36;, is mentioned. That was my point. Yes, other gods is in the plural (אלהים אחרים), but it doesn"t mean they exist! If they do exist, are the gods of Egypt more powerful than HaShem? Can Zeus kill Thor? And I never confused the two, Brit Milah was just an example. As I said, he circumcised himself and his servants. I know the covenant between Abraham and HaShem, it"s Yeshiva 101; why do you think I do not know? He did not make a promise with spiritual children, but a physical descendants, that"s the whole point of the chapter! G-d promises Abraham future children! I didn't bring up the Documentary Hypothesis because I beleive it, on the contrary! It"s garbage theology! You misunderstood my point. I have nothing else to say.