Superman vs Goku (Revised)

My opponent brings up two points, Superman's speed and his heat vision. He also comments that Goku's blasts take a very long time to charge up. Now I've heard many times about Superman's lauded speed. Four times the speed of light, according to my opponent, or Warp 1.51 for all my fellow Trek fans. While this may be his top speed, that does not imply that is the speed at which he can fight. The fastest speed a human has ever been recorded running is Maurice Greene at 26.7 MPH [1], does my opponent wish to argue that if Maurice got into a fight, he would be able to fight at that speed consistently? That he could dodge, avoid, change direction, assess targets and accurately hit them, all while going that speed? I think not. In fact, I think the comics and other medium expressly show that argument to not be the case, as Superman gets hit all the time. If he really could fight at that speed, he'd almost never get hit. If other villains like one of Lex Luthor's robots could hit him, so could Goku, easily. I also doubt that 4X the speed of light is something Superman can do on a whim. He is supposed to be slower than the Flash [2] who can only achieve light speed in most iterations. Next we have heat vision. Goku is amazingly resilient to heat (unsurprising, as he can block planet-destroying blasts with ease). In his battle with Frieza, he was completely submerged in lava and he didn't even feel it. That was only in his Super Saiyan 1 form, that is to say nothing if Goku pushed his way to Super Saiyan 3. Now my opponent has attempted to counter Goku's energy blasts by saying that they take too long to charge. More accurately though, they can take a long time to charge, but they don't have to. It depends on what Goku wants to do. Even as early as his first fight with Vegeta, he was able to blast his opponents eye as fast as a simple punch would take. One he reached Super Saiyan form, he could throw out larger energy blasts with ease, without the need for the Kamehameha wave. In his fight with Kid Buu, he blasted straight through a planet with a Kamehameha wave that took very little time to charge. The idea that Goku's energy attacks would be too slow is a bit of cherry picking on my opponent's part. Now how much punishment can Superman take? As I pointed out, Goku can take a lot of hits, a lot of energy blasts, and lava is like a relaxing bath for him. Now as for Superman, when Lex Luthor hacked into Watchtower and commandeered the use of the . . . I believe it was their "Fusion Cannon", Superman got a glancing blow from that blast and was rendered unconscious briefly. That blast had the power of a small nuclear weapon (without the radiation). Such a blast would require about as much effort from Goku as a sit-up would be for me. He can produce a much larger blast, one that can destroy a planet, as quickly as a punch. One wrong move, and it would be a victory for Goku. As far as hand to hand combat is concerned, Superman is a brawler. He punches, throws, maybe kicks if the mood suits him. Goku, however, is a martial arts master. Even if Superman were faster, Goku's knowledge of martial arts would render much of Superman's attacks null and void. As far as I know, there aren't any in the DC Universe who are martial arts masters AND are have a similar speed to Superman. As far as aerial combat is concerned, Goku also has an advantage: He has the ability to sense life energy. Even if he can't see or hear Superman, he'd be able to blast him just as well. In fact, when Goku fought Yakon in the dark, there were a number of ways he could track him, including feeling the vibrations of air around his opponent. No matter how fast Superman is, he will have to push air out of his way to get to him, and Goku will be able to dodge. Even without that, there is still the life energy sensing I mentioned earlier. In battle, Goku is able to appear behind his opponent nearly instantly and attack from behind, especially in the air, something Superman doesn't seem able to do much, or at least not nearly in the same capacity. This is further evidence of the fact that he can't use his maximum speed in open combat. Just to cut off some arguments I anticipate before they begin, my opponent may wish to bring up one of Superman's least used yet somehow most useful powers: super breath. It is possible, though highly unlikely, that Superman would be able to catch Goku and freeze him. Again, this seems highly unlikely. As I stated, Goku can sense air vibrations, and Superman's super freezing breath does not travel at the speed of light. Goku should have the ability to dodge this attack. Even if he does get caught, this would not really end the fight. Goku would still be conscious inside his little icicle, and since Superman doesn't kill, he wouldn't finish him off by shattering the ice. He only does that to robots or AI's like Brainiac. I don't think this is an unfair argument to make, taking into account what each fighter would and would not do is important. It works for my side as well, Goku isn't going to send a planet-killing blast down towards the planet, even if it is uninhabited, so I can't argue Goku would simply blow everything up before Superman gets to use his breath. Even still, it is highly doubtful Superman would get his shot off, and there is nothing to say Goku wouldn't be able to use Instant Transmission to get out of there was well. In all honesty, I think Superman and Goku are a fair and equal pairing, if we're talking Goku on Namek before his first Super Saiyan transformation. That would be an interesting fight. Once that gold aura shows up though, it would in the best case leave Superman at a severe disadvantage, and if he decided to go up to level 3, forget it. It'd be over in an instant. I again thank my opponent for participating in this debate, and look forward to his response. [1] . http://wiki.answers.com... [2] . http://en.wikipedia.org...(comics) #Powers_and_abilities