The Christian God exists (2)

Hi Superbowl, ah I see you are at it again with pastaman. Nice try. Good stuff by the way, are you running out of straw yet? Rebuttal 1. I said you would not get it, it's not on the table. If that happened it would be over already. Which is why the metaphysical entity I call God, cannot be seen in the physical realm. I look within myself, through logic and observation of the physical realm to find it. It's very difficult this, trust me. I don't read the Bible and hey presto believe, the doubt in your mind makes you question it. Through logic and understanding, I know for sure it's there, I just proved it to myself by this method. 2. Again you have made the mistake of comparing yourself to Him and coming up better. I know where this is heading. Get something straight. You read oft quoted passages in the Bible. You think, hey that's not fair that can't be right. Because you think 4,000 years ago human behaviour in general was like today's behaviour. All nice and comfortable with your laptop and iphone and pc games and apply this moral landscape to that time. Do you know what they did to people and children in those days? Sacrificed children to their gods on a regular basis, rape and murder and human sacrifice on a large scale. Human life was unbearable for most. Do you know what God did and why? You read leviticus and apply it today. It was a different moral landscape, therefore He gave people rules and regulations to start making a change in humanity. He could not bear to see so much human waste. He directed a people to believe in Him and follow Him, the Bible. Atheists twist and contort these things and not give you the context behind it. I accept it, but I think we came much further than we might have if it were not for the Bible. You may not have even been born if it was allowed to continue the way it was, trust me. So thank Him for your life you have now, so you can criticise Him in comfort. Would you like to have been sacrificed to strange gods? I don't think so. Perfect God? Mmm maybe like you, you mean? 3. So 3 then, you are agreed. There can't be any more. Stop fooling yourself. I see you have to include radical for some reason, radical for you, but you are a self-declared irrational atheist. I think I know what I would like to call myself. Thanks 4. Ok, agreed definition. You have denied the possibility and therefore set yourself against the very thing that could help you. Ok, if you want that. Short term comfort position. There's nothing else. Hypothetical question: If you, in a next life, had the opportunity to learn everything, absolutely everything about the physical world and God and how He did it, would you accept God now in this life? Just wondered. Or are you happy with this life only? 5. Straw man again, you invoked him, eat your pasta with a dollop of straw! :-) Any that's where your wrong because you haven't been taught that you have the very tools within you to find Him. What's logic? What's mathematics? Do you honestly think these are different things for different people at any one time? NO They are absolutes, the very source of order in this universe, you don't use them, you will never find Him. You refuse to want to find Him. Now that's illogical. 6. Straw man again. You automatically assert He is fictional, how can get anywhere with that starting point. Go back to the middle and start searching your mind and use your intelligence. No, this is not about popular belief and traditions and customs, it's the very nature of being human. 7. Supremely unfalsifiable. You know why? He's the source of all order in the Universe. He cannot do the impossible, but only the deluded human being think they can. It's so elegant and beautiful. Deny logic and you deny God. 8. Oh yes it does. you know why? You are proving it to me right now. Uh? How's that? Those invocations of imaginary characters in your mind to deceive you into not really looking too hard. Not today, not tomorrow, but may be a little later. It takes years. Those barriers to throw up when thinking about it just hurts a little bit too much. That's all. I know your logic. Ask for the big questions in your life, don't dismiss them else you won't even get close. 9. Ok, do you know the story? Follow it, it's man's history from the start. Weird cultish beliefs? Ok, how many Christians in the first 3 centuries were slaughtered for their belief in the book? They did not lay down their lives for a fairy tale, come on. Would you make up a lie and then die for it with nothing to gain? There's a real message there, read it and ask yourself? Persecuted and slaughtered, for their belief in a lie that they made up? What did they gain by doing that? It's ridiculous. No serious historian would ever doubt the existence of a man called Jesus. There's more non biblical references to Him than any other person at that time. Do not be deceived by some other writers works. They mostly are based on spiritualists writings from the 19th century. The Bible is the most critically researched historical document ever. What evidence do you have for it being fiction? Prove it to me. 10. I wasn't brainwashed, I found my own way thank you. 30 years that took. So your claim is bold, but very fallacious. The genetic fallacy, logic fail, not a good argument. You parrot others without understanding the logic to deceive yourself into thinking why you shouldn't believe. You look down on them, when you should be looking up to them, and thinking why do they believe? There must be something in it? No Bible necessary. Because that is not a good starting point in any discussion on this topic. Good luck and await your comments. A few nice diversionary tactics I hope. It's a good one again.