The End of the World (Cameronl35's R1 New Year's Tournament)

Let me start off by saying that Pro fails to understand my case. He thinks that my case is "my opponent's case is let's give up, not even try".What I am saying is that it is impossible to choose 50 people fairly and morally, and without any bias. I am not just "giving up" and "not trying". We have tried to choose people fairly, however, it is not possible. It is a much better option to die humans, than to live like animals. My opponent has not addressed the crux of my arguments. Also, thank you for providing a list of 50 people, however the actual list is not important, and I never intended you to be the chooser.RebuildingTo save space, I will not quote, but rather I will list them in numbers.1. Yes, your plan does save lives, however how can you value those 50 lives above all the other 7 billion lives? Life is priceless, it is immoral to value someone else's life above another. That is discrimination, it is immoral.http://www.thetaskforce.org...As I mentioned, in C1 and C3, we stand for morality in our society. We cannot just throw it away, we have spent centruies establishing this morality. What would the citizens think of this? Again, CON fails to address this. When the government becomes immoral, people and other countries will do the same, because the American government is a role model to many.2. How does difficulty in choosing people mean that other countries will have bunkers? Never have I said that other countries may have bunkers as well. My point remains unaddressed.3. Never have I specified in the rules that you are the chooser, however you just proved my point. In the list of chosen people, I see that your mom and uncles are chosen. They are your family. Obviously, you have bias towards them. I doubt that your mom is the best teacher, which further proves my point: how do we measure who is better than who? It is not possible. 4. Yes, however your choices prove nothing. This point addresses the fact that personality must be considered. You may have the best people, however if their personality stinks, for example, all of them are aggressive and violent, you cannot continue the human race, they will turn against each other. The new human race will be in chaos, they would want to run for leader, people will die from this violence. Your efforts would then have been in vain. It is better to not choose, maintain society's moral ideals, than to choose badly, forsake moral ideals, and anger many, just to have the new race fail because of bad choices. You want to find nice people, which further proves my point: "How do you measure personality?" It is not possible.5. Exactly. The best of the best. You do not address how this "bestness" will be measured. How do you determine who is the best? Through physical strength? Through mental capacity? Through personality? Through moral ideals? Frankly, I do not understand your rebuttal. You fail to address my point that other countries would also wish to be a part of this choosing. And remember, many of these countries have nukes. You fail to explain why getting nuked by North Korea because Kim Jong Un was not chosen, while being able to badly choose (as it is not possible to choose fairly and well as I have explained) 50 people who have no possibility of surviving in the new world is a good idea. By the way, I don't do fallacies.6. Except, what jobs are essential? The importance of a job differs depending on how developed the country is. For example, Africa is mostly undeveloped. A job that is essential there is probably a farmer. America is developed. An essential job here would be a software engineer. (I am just making these up for example purposes) Africa would have little need for a software engineer, and America would have little need for a farmer, as it can import foods. The new world would be undeveloped, as everything developed would be destroyed. That means we would be taking along with us farmers, herders, nomads, aboriginals, etc. to find food, to hunt. Maybe decades later though, engineers would be needed to build cars, trucks, homes, etc. That's why you cannot tell which jobs are more important, as ALL jobs are equally important. If a job is unimportant, it would not be a job.7. Pro fails to explain why this rebuttal proves anything. It has me quite perplexed. Okay, cool story bro, your grandfather is a good knee surgeon. The chooser still will be unable to decide fairly and still have an unfair burden of choice even when your grandfather is not a knee surgeon.8. I do not consider elected officials dumb, just that they cannot choose fairly, no one can. First, seeds take time to grow into plants. What will you survive on during that time? Second, it is not even certain if seeds can grow in the new conditions of the world. What will you do then? Third, livelistock need food to survive too. What will you feed them? Sure you can eat them and survive for a while. But what will you do afterwards? Please enlighten me.RebuttalsC.1:It may be logical, but is it moral? No. CON fails to adress why logic > morals. I have explained time and time again, and CON fails to refute this: It is better to die humans, than to have the remote possiblility to live like animals. When we have this resolution, we throw away all our moral values. Morals are what makes us human, different from a bear, who doesn't have a problem with killing it's own kind. When we have this resolution, we throw away our humanity, we become little different from animals. What is the point in living when we do not have morals, when we do not have a humanity? There is no point. I have also proven that there is zero possibility of the continuation of the human race, anyways. Better to retain our morals and humanity, and die with dignity. Like the DDO user, death before dishonour. C.2:Did you consider all their personality traits? Did you consider their past history? Did you consider their potential intelligence? Did you consider their moral standards? Did you consider their character? Judging on how fast you replied, I doubt it. You put Richard as a mathmetitian. What about other mathmetitians? Why is Richard's life valued more than theirs? How do you measure someone's worth? You see, there are lots of moral implications and complications to choosing people to continue the human race.C.3:Actually the government is dumb, or at least the Bush government was. Yeah, yeah food, supplies. I already proved why seeds don't work. The bunker will not have space for thousands of food boxes, like the picture. I said 50 people, maximum. Meaning at maximum capcity, ever corner filled, it could hold 50 people. You're going to have to get rid of some people if you want to put those food boxes in.C.4:Why not? I've explained many times. Moral issues... the like. Also, I told you humans have a zero chance.C.5:The people who lived in the Sahara are long dead, tribesmen. http://answers.yahoo.com...I doubt anyone today would be able to live there. Furthermore, chemicals and radiation, I said that!ArgumentsC.7: Unimaginable stressThe new people in the new world would be under a lot of stress, knowing they were the ones chosen to carry on the human race. That is an unfair burden to place on anyone. It is not right to force someone to carry this stress the rest of their life. ConclusionI know I said 2 arguments, but it was brought up in the refutation and rebuilding stage: the part about measuring worth, personality, and it's unfair to place someone above another, as that is discrimination.Pro explains alot about how it is always better to live, no matter what.Let me end off with real life questions:-Why do people suicide?-Why did warriors beg to be killed after losing a fight?-Why did spartans rather die in a fight than surrender or retreat?Hint: It all has to do with dignity and honor. Of personal moral standards. How people rather die than forsake the standards of their society and themselves.