LM Classic: mongeese vs iamadragon

Logical-Master's rule regards to something that is unusable. You still haven't refuted the core of my argument–I'm using the rock. Therefore, it is not unusable. Therefore, you haven't defeated it. "the context of L-M's rule... 'used' for many things." This is where the tier theory comes in. I'll explain: A living character is used as long as it is alive. None of its purposes are accomplished if it dies. However, a non-living character, as I am using, is used as long as it exists. Its purposes are always being accomplished, unless you remove it from existence. It comes down to what the character is being used for. Obviously–really, obviously–any living character's uses revolve around its being alive. This is not the case for a nonliving character. "You see, if something alive were turned into stone... something that started out stone would start out defeated." Explained above with the tier theory. Plus, the conclusion really just doesn't follow. "As for your tier theory, technically, the rock already starts at the tier of 'defeated.' Therefore, it is already 'defeated.'" Uh... no. First of all, you can't just say that and expect it to hold. Second, I addressed the relevant tier arguments above. My opponent appears to have contradicted himself with his descriptions of Kirby: "Things that Kirby has swallowed are trapped in his body forever. You can't use it anymore." "There isn't really a limit for how much Kirby can eat... digest things much faster than a human." A couple of things before I delve into the contradiction, I'd like to point out that as long as the rock exists, it's in use. Therefore, my opponent's first argument doesn't hold. Second, I'd appreciate sources for the claims about Kirby's digestive ability and about objects becoming trapped in his body forever. Next, the contradiction. If Kirby is digesting all of these things, then that explains why there wouldn't be a real limit for how much Kirby can eat. HOWEVER, that contradicts my opponent's claim that objects become stuck inside Kirby forever. If objects become stuck inside Kirby forever, and there isn't a limit to what he can eat, then there isn't any limit to the amount of matter he can inhale; thus, Kirby is limitless and illegal. "This eliminates Ayers Rock... already slant Ayers Rock out-of-bounds." I think CON's argument here is very deceptive. Look at this thread: http://www.debate.org... Logical-Master's quoted statement was at 7/18/2009 4:40:47 PM. Next, my opponent himself, said, "200 feet? How about a mile? 200 feet is hardly enough to allow for an epic aerial battle to the death." at 7/18/2009 5:11:09 PM. AFTER THAT, Logical-Master said, "Let me think it over. In the mean time, lets say that maximum battlefield height stipulations be determined prior to the debate by both debaters." at 7/18/2009 5:14:15 PM. So Logical-Master never definitively decided on a height stipulation. Second, my opponent hasn't definitively shown that Uluru would be slanted out of bounds. It doesn't matter, though, because there is no height limit. "Bomb Kirby is capable of making bombs out of nothing." That seems to defy the laws of physics. Specifically, the laws of conservation of matter and (maybe) energy. [1] [2] Could this ability also be considered limitless? There's no limit on Kirby's bomb creating ability. "There was a question about whether or not sumo-kills were allowed. The question was never answered. Therefore, sumo-kills are allowed." What? That doesn't make any sense at all. The rule was not clarified. Thus, we cannot definitively say if a "sumo-kill" is allowed or not–I'm arguing that it isn't using reason, but your argument that it is allowed is simply illogical. "This is a sumo-kill... teleportation, but levitation." teleport: to transport (a body) by telekinesis. [3] There is a list of Midna's abilities and traits in my opponent's source. [4] One of them is to perform telekinesis. In the TP games, Midna seems only to have her main powers while in the Twilight. In the normal (Light) world, she is simply a shadow. Does Midna even have her levitation abilities in the Light world? Even if she did, how can a shadow physically–key word, physically–levitate an object? It would seem that Midna's only way to actually move Uluru would revolve around telekinesis. Moving Uluru using telekinesis would be teleportation. Teleportation is illegal. "He's able to project himself somewhat within some range of the Millennium Puzzle, as he did when he rescued Solomon Muto when he went to retrieve the Millennium Puzzle in the first place. Therefore, he would still be 'usable.' See Video 1 (1:55)." I guess that seems to work. Around 3:00 in the same video, though, he says that his story might have been a little bit embellished. Perhaps the Pharoah did not physically save him, and the grandfather was actually safe but simply had a vision? I also wonder if the Pharoah's projection of himself revolved around the circumstances–someone being there to "activate" his presence? "Also, Link, being a video game protagonist..." First, that seems to raise some questions about limits. Second, that's completely unwarranted and ridiculous. Why can't video game protagonists age? In Ocarina of Time, Link ages seven years when he pulls the Master Sword out of his pedestal. [5] This shows two things: 1. That Link can age, and 2. that video game protagonists in general can age. "Wrong. The rule basically separates the team leaders from the battle. The idea of 'commands' isn't true." You have to actually argue the point. You can't say "wrong" and "that isn't true" and expect it to hold. "My role is to explain how Team PRO can beat Team CON." The rule also says facilitate. facilitate: to assist the progress of (a person). You are supposed to assist the progress of your team–plus, you are the team leader. Thus, it's accurate to say you are commanding your team. command: to direct with specific authority or prerogative; order. [7] Take into account that the members' only prerogative is the team leader, and that the team leader is the only specific authority, and it sure looks like the leader is commanding the team as its head. "Finally, Yugi can always use the Millennium Rod to take over the hypothetical mongeese's mind." This is completely nonsensical. First of all, it's not a hypothetical mongeese. It is mongeese. Second, if mongeese can't think, then he can't actually issue any kind of order, and Team PRO stops being a team and becomes a random bunch of five characters who don't really do anything. "In Super Mario Galaxy..." This isn't a clone. This is mongeese. "Kirby's leaving New York City" Of course, 1. It doesn't seem Kirby can swallow Uluru, 2. That means mongeese is defeated, which creates a paradox. I have refuted all of my opponents refutations. Now to quickly address one point at the end: "2. Midna uses psychokinesis to levitate all of Team CON and move them out of New York City, defeating them." Thanks, that actually shows that you already conceded Midna can only use psychokinesis, which is illegal. I have not addressed anything else at the end, because it's all been explained above. To address everything again would waste hundreds more characters but would only be repetitive and redundant. Anyway, my original strategies stand. Team CON wins. [1]http://en.wikipedia.org... [2]http://en.wikipedia.org... [3]http://dictionary.reference.com... [4]http://zelda.wikia.com... [5]http://zelda.wikia.com... [6]http://dictionary.reference.com... [7]http://dictionary.reference.com...