There is no possible way god exists unless you believe in utter hate and evil: Timmy Kinner

Greetings! From your bottom question, you asked "What do I want?" I want worldwide peace. It comes in packages of 5. In order for there to be worldwide peace, 5 things MUST happen and everything falls into these categories. 1. Get rid of religion. 2. Get rid of money/ wealth 3. Get rid of borders 4. Get rid of all guns and weapons of mass destruction. 5. Get rid of the media. But you ARE for god. You ARE for religion. You hold onto them like fine wine. It is embodied with you. No offense. What do you think you are trying to say when you say "Man, all those other religions seem pretty cool, huh? They are! They encourage a lot of what I believe in, and now that I mention it, I've been exploring all types of existential explanatory beliefs that put me at ease way more than the concept of God did." "it's absolutely unfair to make judgments upon the entire group of people who call themselves followers of Christ. Or even the entire group of people that claim to "belong to a religion." No its not. Everybody is born an atheist. No exceptions. None. In order to become involved with religion you must somehow become indoctrinated within it and taught its laws in which always rely on faith. Religion always gives people false hope because of this faith because nothing about faith has ever been proven to be true. Here's a few statements on faith as well as a few videos. - Another Appeal To Faith - The Atheist Experience - Atheist Experience-Faith has no place for seeking truth "Why would you believe anything on faith? Faith isn"t a pathway to truth. Every religion has some sort of faith. If faith is your pathway you can"t distinguish between christianity, Hinduism, judaism, any of these others. How is it that you use ---reason--- in every of the other endeavor in your life and then when it comes to the ultimate truth, the most important truth your"re saying that faith is required and how is that supposed to reflect on a god? What kind of a god requires faith instead of evidence?" Matt Dillahunty "Faith is the reason people give when they don"t have evidence." Matt Dillahunty "Faith can be very very dangerous, and deliberately to implant it into the vulnerable mind of an innocent child is a grievous wrong." Richard Dawkins "Faith is the great cop-out, the great excuse to evade the need to think and evaluate evidence. Faith is the belief in spite of, even perhaps because of, the lack of evidence." Richard Dawkins Also "More people have died in the name of god than for any other reason." George Carlin and he's 100% right. So really, who "should" and or "wants" to believe in religion? "May I remind you that your bio says that you belong to the religion of atheism." It does because there was no other way to state atheism under the way debate.prg is set up. Now atheism is not a religion. Here's a veryyy good video on what atheism is... - Reasons for accepting atheism Also the definition of atheism does not in any way classify atheism as a religion. "You have an interpretation of The Bible that people who ACTUALLY CARE ABOUT AND BELIEVE IN IT can't relate to;" Have you gone up to them and asked them if they've read it? Most of them will of course say yeah sure sure. And their tells shine oh so bright that the answer is of course "no". And then you show them some of the verses in the bible (and I ran out of space to show you a lot more of the true hate spewing from the bible) and guess what? Nearly 100% of them go into flat out denial, can't believe what they are reading is true, or they invent some stupid mundane excuse for it, or they state god was justified in murdering whoever he wants (the worst excuse meaning they are as immoral as their unproved god is), or they don't believe anymore, or they skip it like nothing happened, etc etc etc. excuse after excuse after excuse. In my 43+ years of doing this and having talked with roughly 22,000, I've seen everything. Children watching violence on tv, bad. Children in church seeing a lifelike grotesque statue of a crucified man, good. Makes sense? - David Blickstein "When you start making excuses for atrocities you have removed yourself from ANY valid discussion on morals. When you say "yes the bible says you can own slaves but" well now you"re contradicting yourself because before I was asking if you thought the bible was accurately representing the mind of god, the will of god. You"ve got this conflicted mess of contradictions and you"ve found a way to rationalize them. You"ve gone and looked at them and said "boy that one really sounds bad, BUT that"s what Israel was doing that"s not what god was doing. So let me ask you this" do you believe that there"s an all knowing all powerful fun loving god who has an important message for humanity and he is so completely inept that his best attempts at communicating to people managed to convey the exact opposite message of what you think he meant? Now like are you the one who got it right? And all the people who authored the holy book and got you started that they managed to get it wrong? Is your god such a bumbling buffoon that he cannot state "thou shalt not own somebody as another human being?" or "please don"t rape the people and pillage the villages around you"" and he managed to communicate so poorly that it got written down as "Thou shalt be able to own other people as property and oh by the way go over there and kill everybody kill everything except for the young virgins." Its asinine. You cannot reconcile this." Matt Dillahunty "The end-all I'm trying to lead you to is that you're arguing for nothing of real value." Real value? I just showed you what real value is. There's no need for all this violence and hate. And religion is especially ranked at the top of it. Always has been especially when this god guy could have started off with love, care, kindness, peace, harmony AND KEPT IT. No he chose evil, vengeance, rage, fury, jealousy all in which he has freely admitted OF HIMSELF. Such is so befitting of a supreme deity - right in which is only a superior ego god complex? And I know I've stated the before in which christians DON'T GET. So they hand onto their evil, anger, rage, fury, vengeance, jealousy just like their god. WAY---TO---GO!!!! So DO NOT tell me I'm in any way wrong here. "From what I can tell, you've devoted your life to pedantically "disproving" the existence of a being that none of the believers are going to simply stop believing in." I don't have to prove that this god guy doesn't exist. What is the title of this debate? There is no possible way god exists unless you believe in utter hate and evil: Timmy Kinner and god, oh yeah created Timmy to commit his vicious crimes knowing all too well that he would as well as the horrific suffering of the children he MURDERED. "What is your goal in this discussion?" Easy. YOU and EVERYBODY else is better than this crappy god in which if you believe in him, you know nothing about. Get educated. Read the god damned bible. Oh and oh yeah, no god of the bible would be stupid enough to use text as a form of communication, the worst form of communication possible. "Throw a bunch of videos and verses that have been stripped of all context and laugh in my face?" Oh really? Then why don't you watch the videos. And why don't you look up the verses to see just how cheecky and loving, and kind and considerate, and caring and nurturing smoochy and huggable this god guy of this is and you prove just how the verses are taken out of context. Of course you believe in god, otherwise you wouldn't defend him. And don't tell me or yourself otherwise. Here's more verses are being taken out of "context". Do you even know what you are talking about? Tell you what, why don't you look them up, and spread the word that god---is----evil---and---hate? Peace is needed not this s--t. * god hates gays in his bible and wants them stoned to death LV 20:13 * god hates anyone that blasphemes and wants to put you to death LV 24:16 * god hates anyone that does not believe in him in his bible 2 CHR 15: 12-13, ESPECIALLY if someone worships another god/ idols other than himself, thus wants to kill them DT 13: 9-10 and 17: 2-5 * god endorses slavery in his bible EX 21 the entire chapter especially 20-21 which is truly sick and disgusting, LV 25:39, LV 25:42, LV 25: 44-46, DT 15: 12-15, DT 23: 14-16, MT 18:25, * god gets jealous in his bible EX 20: 3-5, EX 34:14, DT 4: 23-24, DT 32: 16-17, DT 5:9, DT 6:15, JH 24:19, PS 79:5, PS 78:58, 2 COR 1:2, * god wants you to die in his bible if you break the sabbath EX 31:14, NU 15: 32-36 * god issues death warrants on those that curse at their parents (they are probably children) EX 21:17, LV 20:9, MK 7:10, MT 15:4 * god wants to put you to death in his bible if you commit adultery LV 20:10 * god has freely admitted in his bible numerous times that he IS evil IS 45:7, 2 SAM 12: 11-14 sick and disgusting, EX 32:14, 1 KS 1 22: 22-23, 2 CR 18:22, JM 19:3, JM 19:15, JM 23:12, AM 3:6, DT 30:15, 2 KS 22:16, JU 9:23, PV 15:3 * god in his bible knowingly and truly hates children through numerous passages such as LM4: 9-11, MT 10:37, MT 2:16, JG 21:10, 2 SAM 12:11-14 which is truly sick and disgusting, DT 2:34, NU 31: 17-18, LV 26: 21-22, 1 SAM 15:3, HS 13:16, 2 KS 15:16, EZ 9: 5-7, HS 9: 11-16, EX 12: 29-30, IS 13: 15-18, MT 2:16, (EX 21:17, LV 20:9, MK 7:10, MT 15:4, MT 10:21), JG 11: 30-33, PS 137: 8-9, 2 KS 6: 28-29, DT 21: 18-21, DT 32:25, DT 2: 32-34, DT 3: 3-6, JG 19: 24-29, EX 12:29, 2 HS 2: 23-24, LV 26:29, JM 11: 22-23, JM 19: 7-9, JM 51: 22-26, 2 KS 8: 9-15,LM 2: 20-22, RV 2: 18-23 The only thing that I hate in this world is god, guns and Donald Trump, easily the worst president of all time. I am at perfect peace with everything else. Please ---always--- tc and have fun -Michael