LM Classic: mongeese vs iamadragon

My opponent makes the argument that his rock is usable. However, we have to look into the context of L-M's rule. Any character's unconscious body can be "used" for many things. However, the rock is essentially a dead body from the start. In fact, it was never alive. It was automatically eliminated. You see, if something alive were turned into stone, it would be considered defeated. Therefore, something that started out stone would start out defeated. "Now, applying this to my philosophy: the rock, being a non-living thing, is being used by me simply by existing. As long as the rock exists, I am using it. Therefore, it is not being rendered unusable, and therefore, it has not been defeated." Even a living thing can be used in that context while unconscious. Therefore, this philosophy does not hold water. As for your tier theory, technically, the rock already starts at the tier of "defeated." Therefore, it is already "defeated." "Alright. Now you'll have to explain why the atom has been defeated if it's been swallowed." You can no longer use it. Things that Kirby has swallowed are trapped in his body forever. You can't use it anymore. "Is there any limit to Kirby's stamina?" Yes. He gets tired after a long period of vacuuming. However, given that my opponent is trying to stall out for a period of years, Kirby will have plenty of recovery time, so it's not really a concern. Logical-Master: "How does 200 feet above the tallest object in the city sound?" This eliminates Ayers Rock. There's no way there's an expanse in New York City big enough to hold Ayers Rock that wouldn't already slant Ayers Rock out-of-bounds. "1. Link does not have an unlimited number of Bomb Arrows. I believe the most he can carry in Twilight Princess is 30 bombs per bag 3 bags = 90 bombs. Are 90 bombs enough to reduce all of Uluru into an eatable size?" Kirby could simply eat one of Link's bombs and become Bomb Kirby. Bomb Kirby is capable of making bombs out of nothing. Therefore, Link can just use Kirby's bombs for his bomb arrow. "3. Law of Conservation of Mass. Breaking the rock into smaller pieces does mean that Kirby would have an easier time swallowing them all, but the total mass remains unchanged. Can Kirby really swallow so much? Where's the limit?" There isn't really a limit for how much Kirby can eat. There is also not a limit for how much a human can eat. The only difference is that Kirby can inhale things faster than a human, and can digest things much faster than a human. So, although there isn't a real limit, there's no real limit to anybody's consumption. Also, it is limited by how fast Kirby can inhale. "I don't believe Logical-Master ever clarified on this rule. Someone, later in the thread, suggested that the rule implies that a team member cannot be defeated simply be being forcibly removed from NYC. I'll apply the rule the same way." There was a question about whether or not sumo-kills were allowed. The question was never answered. Therefore, sumo-kills are allowed. This is a sumo-kill. Note that it is not teleportation, but levitation. "But he is trapped in the Puzzle without Yugi, 'unusable' in the sense that a living character would be unusable." He's able to project himself somewhat within some range of the Millennium Puzzle, as he did when he rescued Solomon Muto when he went to retrieve the Millennium Puzzle in the first place. Therefore, he would still be "usable." See Video 1 (1:55). http://www.youtube.com... Also, Link, being a video game protagonist, does not need to eat, and does not age over time. Therefore, he would be able to outlast Ayers Rock in a standstill. "This is somewhat of a semantical argument, and, I believe, a direct twisting of the rule's intent. The rule clearly means that a team member cannot physically assist his team in battle." Wrong. The rule basically separates the team leaders from the battle. The idea of "commands" isn't true. By "loyal to the team leader," it is basically saying that team members stay on their side unless required. My role is to explain how Team PRO can beat Team CON. Finally, Yugi can always use the Millennium Rod to take over the hypothetical mongeese's mind. Therefore, I am on my own team, and am unusable by Team CON, so I no longer have to kill myself. Remove me from the list of people that Kirby swallows. "Finally, without the team leader, how can mongeese's team win? It isn't even mongeese's team. I think that in this kind of a battle, it's a clear implication that the team leader guides his team to victory and thus, obviously, must be alive at the end to claim victory." Wrong. The team leader explains how his team would win. He doesn't have to be alive at the end. Plus, Yugi's got me back on Team PRO using the Millennium Rod now, so I don't have to worry about this paradox anymore. To clarify things, I can always be knocked unconscious to be "defeated" without dying at the end. Or, there's another solution. In Super Mario Galaxy, Luigi was inexplicably cloned to explain his being both the protagonist and an assistant [1]. That may be the situation we're in. I am my own team leader, while you have a clone of me. Therefore, that clone is not the real team leader. I am the team leader. Now, one thing that my opponent has not done is protest Kirby's leaving New York City, so I will consider this point conceded, assuming that I can get everything else done. The revised strategy: 1. Yugi uses the Millennium Rod to take control of mongeese, Logical-Master, and MTGandP. 2. Yugi uses the Millennium Ring to ascertain the position of the atom. 3. Kirby eats the atom. 4. Link puts a bomb on the ground. 5. Kirby eats the bomb, transforming into Bomb Kirby. 6. Kirby puts a bomb on the ground. 7. Link uses the Gale Boomerang to transport one of the bombs to some point on Ayers Rock, where the bomb explodes, turning part of Ayers Rock into fragments. 8. Steps 6 and 7 are repeated until Ayers Rock has been reduced to pieces no bigger than an ordinary watermelon. 9. Kirby eats the many pieces that used to make up Ayers Rock. 10. Kirby leaves New York City. 11. mongeese, Logical-Master, and MTGandP all leave New York City. Team PRO wins! Now, for alternate strategies: 1. The rock and the atom are already defeated, as explained above. 2. Midna uses psychokinesis to levitate all of Team CON and move them out of New York City, defeating them. 3. Everybody waits. Because Link and Atem do not age, as time goes by, Ayers Rock is eventually eroded by wind and rain, and all parts of Ayers Rock are blown out of New York City by a breeze. 4. mongeese, Logical-Master, and MTGandP can all be eliminated in a variety of ways, including consuming by Kirby, slaying by Link, and banished to the Shadow Realm by Yugi. 1. http://www.mariowiki.com...