Best Batman Villain

I think it is abundantly obvious who is more versed in the subject matter at hand. This has become a problem to the point that my opponent has contradicted himself, proven himself wrong, constantly misinterprets my arguments and the Batman mythology and canon. Talia is his daughter I consider this a new argument. You never once argued before now that Talia being Ra's daughter somehow made him a more venerable villain. I don't see how the father can be credited with daughter's villainy. It was his training that made Batman I already expounded this, and you have presented nothing to support your case. Either he created Batman or he didn't. It is his Lazarus Pit Conceded, I'll let the voters decide if he is the "best batman villain" because he "owns" a Lazarus Pit. It was his plan that got Robin killed But it wasn't his plan to kill Robin, so... again, I'll let the voters decide how "villainous" this is I was his plan to bring Robin back to life It was never his plan to bring Jason back, never. And finally it is his fault for Robin to go bad This is not a conclusion from all the rest. The only two people to blame are the Joker and Batman. ---------- I never said it was a "bad dream", just skillful diplomacy and covering up for his daughter. It is canon that what Ra's told Batman was a cover story. I can't believe I even have to argue this, but a flashback being narrated by who my opponent calls the "best batman villain" and something that is shown as if it is happening in real time without a POV are not the same. I have given reasons why the flashback narrated by Ra's is unreliable. If you wanted to argue the validity of anything said in Battle for the Cowl, you should have said so and given reason. The ONLY possible argument to bring into question everything is that the ENTIRE series is fallacious, and actually in the mind of Bruce Wayne (ala American Pyscho) as a way of coping with his parents death. Christian Bale Conspiracy! (I'm not actually making this argument.. just making fun of my opponent, and the situation) "The only crime that Jason Todd has committed is that he pushes the limit in protecting Gotham" - Murder, Arson, Explosions, Disturbing the Peace, Blowing up a Helicopter midtown - "while Ra's doesn't care about Gotham only to destroy it." - Right!, Ra's care about the world! He wants to do good, same as Red Hood. The difference is that Ra's method involves the death of humanity for the sake of the planet. However, he can destroy the whole rest of the world (supposedly for the betterment of the world) and Batman won't really care. However, it IS possible that Red Hood will be able to save Gotham by way of murder and corruption, and thus... Beat the Bat. So, let's sum up this WHOLE argument for the Voters. Points for Ra's that I conceded He is the Leader of the League of Shadows He is capable of destroying the world, besides Gotham He has a daughter, Talia al Ghul He possess a Lazarus Pit He is Old I also conceded that he created Batman, but my opponent seems confused as to if this is true or not. If it is true, I argued that by creating Batman, he is lesser of a villain. Points for Red Hood that my opponent conceded, or neglected Red Hood's Personal relationship with Batman Jason's death being Batman's Greatest Failure Batman's inability to have Jason declared insane Red Hood's potential to supercede Batman as the protector of Gotham Batman's ultimate demise at the hands of Red Hood My opponent also entirely sidestepped any conversation regarding the criteria for the "Best Batman Villain" I think I made it clear the reason why I declared Red Hood's villainry, but my opponent never truly argued his. My opponent has made it abundantly clear how little he knows about the Batman Universe by his closet understand of not only Red Hood, but his own candidate, Ra's Al Ghul. If he is going to include Talia as part of Ra's villainy, shouldn't he include Damian? How about Bane in TDKR and thus the entire Knightfall and No Man's Land series? He never once mentioned the Tower of Babel, where Ra's is narrowly defeated but causes Batman to get thrown off the the Justice League. Red Hood is the Villain that Batman always needed, he is the best thing to happen to the Batman series in a long time and when his character comes to its logical conclusion, he stands the best chance at beating the Bat. For that, Red Hood is the Best Batman Villain