The scriptures teach that a child of God can't fall (eternal security or "once saved always saved")

I guess to twist Scripture that is necessary. Let's begin with one misconception; the sin unto death. That does not speak of physical death where the soul and spirit leave the body. Rather, it is speaking of spiritual death where the soul leaves God. Since he does not believe this is possible, he automatically reverts to the other. 1st John 1:9, "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. " Our sins, those that come after walking in the light (v. 7), are forgiven only if we meet the condition; if we confess. I will ask you, can i fall off the roof of a building if I have never been on that building. Of course, and honest answer will be in the negative. The same hold true with faith. You cannot fall from grace if you never had grace (Galatians 5:4). Paul warned of it. Why would he warn us of a danger that did not exist? Your position says Paul is too stupid to know falling from grace is not possible. He was not stupid, so falling from grace is possible. Likewise, a ship cannot crash (be shipwrecked) if it never began the journey and strayed off course. It is the same with faith. Faith cannot be shipwrecked if there is no faith in the first place. Yet, Hymenaeus and Alexander made their faith shipwreck (1st Timothy 1:19-20). They had faith, Bible believing and obeying faith, but they strayed off course and crashed. Their faith stopped. God will not take away our salvation. Also, He will never allow another to take it. But, these people incorrectly interpret this to mean salvation will never be gone. Even if God does not take it, this verse says nothing about what happens if we choose willingly to take it out of His hands. I will now go to keytarhero's rebuttals. Jesus Taught that some would Fall One cannot fall away from something which was never possessed. One cannot thrust from him, and make shipwreck of the faith , if he is not in the faith (I Tim. 1:19). This is the old Baptist run on the matter of "eternal security. " They try to say that Simon was never really converted, but inspired Luke said, several years later when he wrote, that he was converted (Acts 8:13). It is sad that some ignore the facts of the Bible because of their theories! ! Paul Warned Christians of Apostasy Again i will state again, The text reveals that some were “over thrown” (v. 5), some “fell” (v. 8), and some “perished” (vv. 9, 10). Remember they died in that condition. There is danger in falling. Why warn of falling if the possibility does not exist? Why speak of a way to escape if there is no danger of being taken by temptation and remaining in that condition? (v.13). Why did Paul instruct the Corinthian Christians to flee idolatry (v. 14), if idolatry has no bearing on one's salvation? A warning implies a danger, an actual example demonstrates the possibility of it, and a way of escape implies the need of escape! Even Paul an apostle of God said he could fall from grace, NOW HEAR YE THE WORD OF THE LORD as recorded in 1st Corinthians 9:27: “But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway. ” After Paul was saved, and a preacher of the gospel, he could still be castaway from God, or be lost. I would like to know what kind of egos this man (Calvin) and his blind followers including you keytarhero have to believe they are includingyou in a better position than the great apostle, Paul! They may including you be unaware of this verse of scripture. However, once shown, to maintain the teaching is to demonstrate this inflated ego. Examples of Apostasy As i have said earlier,Hymenaeus and Alexander made their faith shipwreck (1st Timothy 1:19-20). They had faith,Bible believing and obeying faith (of course they were saved), but they strayed off course and crashed. Their faith stopped. And you falsely stated " They will fall away when temptation comes against them, when life gets hard, or when they perceive something better has come along. " Tempatations are part of Christian life! i will ask you one thing: Did you ever get tempted? And did you yield to it? Provision for the Fallen Your argument shows no support from what you are defending, you said you believe that sins separate us from God, and after that you said if a person dies with his sins he will not go to hell. your arguments are self-refuting, you say that if somone dies without repented any of his sins,(just like you said that a "genuine believer" would not commit any sin, because the Word of God took root in his heart), because they are still sanctified by the precious blood of Jesus (sanctified by the blood of jesus means he is saved). According to Keytarhero's logic Genuine believer- would not commit any sin. Sin separates us from God Yet if a "genuine believer" dies with his sins He will go to heaven I thought you said in you earlier statements the genuine believer will try not to commit any sins, but in your statements you said that after a person "becomes a Christian" and commits sins is not really a "genuine believer" Then, why (according to your statements) Would a "genuine beliver" DIE WITH HIS SINS. This logical fallacy is what Keytarhero believes in. But to pervert the Gospel he has to do this. let's now go to simon the sorcerrer. Keytarhero's statements here were just assertions, not really mass evidences, but for clarification, Peter was really saying Repent or you will perish, in a summarized kind of phrase. Act 8:20 But Peter said to him, "May your silver perish with you, because you thought you could obtain the gift of God with money! Act 8:21 You have neither part nor lot in this matter, for your heart is not right before God. Act 8:22 Repent, therefore, of this wickedness of yours, and pray to the Lord that, if possible, the intent of your heart may be forgiven you. In Acts 13:43 Not much nothing to say, since Keytarhero did no objections II Cor. 6:1 Keytarhero, this was addressed to the saints, meaning the saved,as contradictory to your doctrine . That's why Paul told them to not take the grace of God "in vain". In Phil. 2:12- i agree with the statements of keytar but he did not addressed the real situation here, "If a Christian cannot be lost finally, regardless of what he does or does not do, why would he ever entertain any "fear and trembling"". i would like to encourage my opponent to answer the questions in my first argument in round 1. In his last statement, my opponent, falsely accused me of creating a strawman argument which he CLEARLY DOES. He builds statements which are contradictory to the Bible and perverting the Gospel to support his false doctrine. I look forward to the next round.