Overwatch VS TF2

+++Rebuttal+++'Personally I just think Overwatch is much more polished then TF2'This is a personal opinion. This debate is about absolutes, and so this can be disregarded as there is no proof for this statement.the devs of Overwatch are constantly supporting the game with updates and improvements way more then TF2'Nonsense [1]. There have been at least three major patches per year for TF2 for nine years. There's also no proof behind this statement that's being made here.'They are also testing the updates a lot better to make sure they work.'Again, this is a baseless assumption. While it's true that MyM (Meet your Match, the most recent update to the game[2]) was terrible at release, Valve quickly fixed most of the major issues with it.'The only downside with Overwatch I see is that there is no map maker or community workshop but that may come in the future'That's irelevant, we're debating the state of both games now, not what could happen in the future.+++Substantative+++C1That TF2 is a less forgiving game than Overwatch(will be referred to as OW for brevity) and this therefore makes the game objectively betterLet's take a simple example. That of ults and ubercharge.[3] As can clearly be seen in this video, an ult is a gamechanging mechanic which can kill the entire enemy team, hold off a push, etc. An ubercharge[4] is a similarly gamechanging mechanic, spearheading or holding off a push with invincibility, killing the entire enemy team with the Kritzkrieg, etc etc.But this is a very instructive example of where the two games differ in terms of skill. When the medic dies, every single percentage point of his ubercharge is dropped. He has to start again from scratch, meaning that there is a very clear and definite penalty for dying beside just waiting on a respawn timer.But in OW, when a character dies, absolutely nothing happens. Yeah, they have to wait on respawn, but they then spawn with all of their ult. This means that there is no real defined penalty for dying and overextending stupidly etc. This furthermore means that play is not as intelligent, and this pairs with Widowmaker (who will be discussed in C2) to mean that the meta is simply reckless and unintelligent play.Another good example is rocket jumping[5]. This extremely high skill cap move which signifcantly increases the mobility of the Soldier class, who is otherwise very slow, can only be carried out by a specific [6] sequence of moves which is, crucially OPEN ENDED. This means that the potential for intelligent play and mobility is extremely high (as shown in source five). In OW, the class most analogous to Soldier is Pharah. This move showcase should show you what her move analogous to rocket jumping is[7]. As can clearly be seen, the analogy used a lot in arguments much like this one is'TF2 has a very specific yet open-ended and high skill cap move to increase mobility, OW has press E to rocket jump'C2Widowmaker and why she's overpowered as hell and why Sniper doesn't have that problemSniper characters are overpowered in a movement based FPS. That's a given. A good sniper, in any game whether it be an AWPer in CS, Widow in OW, Sniper in TF2 can completely shut down movement and play with but a fully charged bodyshot. But here's why TF2 doesn't have as much of a problem with snipers as OW does.1.) The maps. There are only a few maps in TF2 that have massive sightlines, while in OW the maps are either chokey as hell (that's a different point) or wide open. This means that Widow, with her abilty to grapple up to places to get optimal sightlines absolutely shuts down play- so much so that she is a permanent fixture on competitive teams.[8]2.)No hard counter. In TF2, sniper has three problems. a) Spy, the class which is meant to be a hard counter to him and has the tools to instakill him before he knows what's going on.b)Other snipers, who he can be quickscoped by and instakilledc)Long range spam such as rockets etc which throw off his aim.Yes, Sniper does have the tools to deal with these - but crucially, he can only deal with one at a time, with the Razorback, DDS and Cozy Camper respectively.Now let's look at Widowmaker. Her only counter is herself, meaning that a bad meta is established where you must run a widow to kill the other widow, then you push. That's not good for the game competitvely (which will be dealt with next round).By this point it should be fairly apparent that the poor design of widowmaker is extremely bad for the game.I look forward to my opponent's argument's next round!<31.)https://wiki.teamfortress.com...2.)https://wiki.teamfortress.com...3.)4.)https://wiki.teamfortress.com...5.)6.)https://wiki.teamfortress.com...7.)http://overwatch.wikia.com...8.)Personal experience, played in an OW league for a while before going back to TF29.)https://wiki.teamfortress.com...10.)https://wiki.teamfortress.com...