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Thanks con for His Response to My Argument. Yes English is not my native language I'm from Asia and I thank for the request of Tie at the Grammer it reflects that Truthfuly Con is Much more concerened about the Topic rather then the Grammer. Brother You are saying that you readily admit His Existance..Then Why dont you Proclaim that "There is no deity but Allah and Muhammad(PBUH) is his Messanger and servent" What stops you to do so? (It would be very very special moment for me if you do it) moreover if we both believe that There is God then there is no point to debate about.Since You have refuted my last argument I would like to present ContentionsFirstly I would like to say there are more then 1000 Scientific Statments in Quran and as I told it is a Book of Signs... If you are looking for Equations of Relativiy and Cosmology then this is the wrong place for that brother.Contention#1:This is only one verse I have qouted there are several more...Like: I woud present a statement which will clear the allegation that it lacks Identity,Composition of the Primery Nebula: What was The Primery Nebula composed of? According to our Today's Knowldege was it only Gases?No! calling is gases only does not makes sense at all!A Nebula (from Latin: "cloud") is an interstellar cloud of dust, hydrogen, helium and other ionized gases. (wiki)Thanks to noble Prized Steven Weinberg who in his book "The First Three Minutes" defines Nebula as:Extended astronomical objects with a cloudlike appearance. Some nebulae are galaxies; others are actual clouds of dust and gas within our galaxy. (Book: http://goo.gl...)Lets see How Quran describes it: "Then He applied himself to the immeasurable expanse of the realm when it was in its primordial gaseous and dusty** or smoky** state and He commanded both the realm and the primordial earth thus: " Come within My authority willingly or unwillingly": they both responded , thus: "We both come actuated with unconditional obedience to Allah's command. (Al-Muntakbhi)Others also describe it as Smoke, Gases,Lisan Al-Arab one of the most authentic Arabic Dictonary Describes root word "Dkhan" perfectly as Mixuture of Smoke,Gases,Dust,and Fume etc.http://goo.gl...I hope it provides Con precise description of Primeray Nebula.Creater speaking about SUN:For a long time in the past men thought that the earth was stationary and that the sun revolved around the earth. Later Copernicus, Kepler and Galileo postulated the theory that the sun was stationary and that the earth revolved about the sun.It is now a well know fact that our solar system along with all other heavenly starts and planets forms "The Milky Way" it also includes one hundred billion stars situated in such a formation that the galaxy is shaped like a disc. This disc turns around its center like a gramophone record.Dr. Bucaille explains that modern science has worked out the details of the sun’s orbit as follows:“To complete one revolution on its own axis, the galaxy and the sun take roughly 250 million years. The sun travels roughly 150 miles per second in the completion of this” (The Bible, the Quran and Science, p. 162). http://goo.gl...thus states the Quran:[and] neither may the sun overtake the moon, nor can the night usurp the time of day, since all of them float through space [in accordance with Our laws]. http://goo.gl...Also "and [fail to see that] it is He who has created the night and the day and the sun and the moon - all of them floating through space!"There were many other books speaking about this but no one is so precise and accurate according to Today's Science! (see later)Contention#2Con says that only one translators mentions it as "Expanding Universe" I will ask him is One not enough?Secondly, thats a LieM. Asad: verily, it is We who are steadily expanding it.Al Muntakhib: authoritatively construct and We are expanding the universe.Ali Unal: We Who have vast power, and keep expanding it.Shabbir Ahmed: behold, We are steadily expanding it.Dr. Munir: And indeed, We expand it (steadily)!Dr. Tahir Al Qadri: We are expanding (this universe) more and more.Talal A. The Monothiest: did sameSource: http://goo.gl...Contention#3The verse states:Al Muntakib: But also each finger tip with its mark or prints We will be able to reconstructShabbir Ahmed, Bejian and Samira also "Precisely Translate it as Finger Prints"Moreover one should know that In arabic words are form by Roots and Here Root means from Fingers to Finger Tips Till Finger Prints! because Arabic is very deep langauge one word can have 20 30 expressions. and when that man asked will I be back from bones Its a clear reply that you will be restored back exctly even at such precision that your fingerprints will also be same!Moreover The Rule of the Prophecy of Comaprative Scripture studies is If any of the meaning fulfills the prophecy we have to consider that word!Contention#4Quran does not gives 2 .. 3 statements about Reprodcution my friend It describes many stages in very precision!! You said it does not refers to Embryology? Mr. Keeth Moore has spent 10 Years of His Life to Expore the meaning of these verse!what does it means then: "He created you in the wombs of your mothers, creation after creation, in a threefold gloom" That is why I gave all the translations so that there will be no conflict! please read other translations I have books of commentry on it by Medical Non-Muslim Doctors. one of them is Keeth Moore! read what he says.Moore:"I didnt find it difficult to believe When I was told about the Quran & Scientific Facts stated in it, I think God has choosen me to explain The Quran to You and even your science colugues can do that as I can do, if they have information of embroylogy, but I believe it probably means more that I being a non-muslim tell to the world, that I believe what is recorded in the Quran is accurate accoding to Our present knowldege, and I am sencire about what I say, we didnt had this knowldege and some of this knowldege about genes and the choromosomes has only come to us in the last 10 15 years when I was a student 25 30 years ago we didnt had that knowldege which we have now and there are lots of things in the quran which i do not understand and I think it may be in another 100 years when I wont be here but if you will ask about those verse to the embryologist of that age they will tell you sure that is what it means, moreover I have seen some of my collegues who are also so impressed by what they have read in the quran and so on. and there have been a few cases who have converted"At one place he says "Statements referring to human reproduction and development are scattered throughout the Qur'an. It is only recently that the scientific meaning of some of these verses has been appreciated fully. The long delay in interpreting these verses correctly resulted mainly from inaccurate translations and commentaries and from a lack of awareness of scientific knowledge." According to Him it was injustice to Translate Quran according to Less Knowldege of QuranContention#5Fetuses? Man has lived more then 5 Billion years brother and it is now! Modren Science has understood the gestation! Moreover: The Statistics you gave for the Miscarriage are of before 7 weeks of fetusAround half of all fertilized eggs die and are lost (aborted) spontaneously, usually before the woman knows she is pregnant. Among women who know they are pregnant, the miscarriage rate is about 15-20%. Most miscarriages occur during the first 7 weeks of pregnancy. The rate of miscarriage drops after the baby's heart beat is detected. It should be noted that the size of 8 weeks fetus is ~1.5cm and nearly 0.04 ounch in weight! Hence we can conclude that at 7 weeks the size will be probably 1 cm! (Since Fetus grows fastly at initial stages).So Brother do you think 1,500 years ago people were so succuessful to write about 1 cm blood clot with such a detail? If that is the case then in next 500 years they would have known all about Fetues!! instead all the discoveries are after 1000 AD!!Hence the claim is just a supposition that they might have done that which is very impossible...I WOULD BRING INTO NOTICE THAT CON HAS NOT EVEN TOUCHED THE FOLLOWING ARGUMENTS: Light of Moon Dr. Keeth Moore's Observations and Conclusions (who is a world famous Embroylogist) Prof. Robit Winston's Description 100% Matching as Quran Sates. Roman's War at Lowest Point in Earth Conclusion:Can all this and 100s More be mere guesses and Palagarism from Ancient Myths? How scucessful a person can be if He is copying from Ancient Myths and scucceds to COPY ONLY THE FACTS WHICH ARE TRUE BY TODAY'S SCIENCE.That is Absurd and Ilogical!The Probability of 100s of Facts being Plagarized or Copied or Mere Poetic Verse is Less the 0.005%!!!!In spite of NO REAL EVIDENCE and Proof Many People falsely allege that Muhammad (PBUH) has plagiarized from Past , from Bible and other sources but they fail to realize that:The first Arabic Bible was created in AD 867 +235 years after Muhammad(PBUH)Muhammad only knew Arabic and Quran is in purest Arabic and only Thrice He went out of Makkah at the age of 9, 19 and 25.There are 100s of facts in Quran about science in Quran and there were 1000s of Unverified Theories and Myths about All the Scientific knowldege.How can a person only choose the Correct one out of 1000s???Does that makes sense? No!The Probabilty that He was sucessfully able to pick and choose only Scientific facts out of 1000s of myths are less then 0.005% !!There is no way that a Human being can speak about scientific facts with 100% accurecy.. I will ask you to recall the frist given example again...Who can be the first person who can tell about us the Universe and Its facts so accureatly? Surly not a Man 1500 Years ago without any Advance Science!Hence Proving THE DIVINE ORIGIN OF THE GLORIOUS QURAN. __________________“This is of the tidings of the Unseen which we inspire in you (Muhammad). Neither you nor your people knew it before this” (Quran 11:49).