NDE's are evidence for an afterlife

"If Pro could refrain from the childish "us vs them" behavior, let's keep it civil, no need to use skeptics as a pejorative." My apologies but what? That's not what I'm trying to do at all. I'm a huge skeptic of most of the paranormal but not those close-minded ones that reject things that don't fit their view and skeptic Blackmore is one of them. Though skeptics claim Susan Blackmore is an unbiased researcher, in the preface to her book, she makes her prejudices known as she assumes the viewpoint of the biased skeptic. Literally, most of her work has been torn apart by emminent researchers and scientists. She's just a silly psychologist, not a scientist nor a neurologist. She never done tests nor experimented on NDE's but just claimed to have an induced OBE while being on psychedelic drugs and she blatantly is in accord that NDE's are tricks of the mind. Interestingly, when the blind have NDE"s they report exactly the same phenomena. They see both this world and the next. When people who are born blind recover their sight through a natural process, such as a medical procedure, they report an initial period of disorientation because it takes their minds sometime to learn how to interpret the new visual input. This is exactly what the blind report during an NDE. Those who were blind from birth report having difficulty relating to what they are seeing, whereas those who lost sight later in life immediately recognize the return of vision. Blind NDE's This research is reported among other sources in the Summer 1997 issue of "The Anomalist". Given the rather amazing result the authors try to come up with a naturalistic explanation for this phenomenon. They are able to eliminate certain explanations such as fantasy by independently verifying details through corroborating evidence. For example those who died in surgery were asked to describe the surgery room, the hospital and other environmental factors, which a blind person could not know, were there. This sometimes included such observations as relatives in the waiting room that they had no way of knowing were there at the time. Dr. Ring and his co-researcher Sharon Cooper were also able to eliminate a host of other natural explanations for why the blind can see at death, such as dream based explanations, sensory-cueing, skin based sight and a host of others. Also, what if I were to tell you that Vicki told her account to doctors before going on the show? I mean she was born visually impaired and there is no way that she could have hallucinated all of that; whilst, she never saw how the world looks, nor colors, nor shapes nor anything at all. Her NDE was very vivid, had so much detail during her OBE and she described the doctor's clothes very accurately. Again, I will use my argument for OBE's. Realistic Out-of-Body Experiences: Out-of-body experiences (OBEs) are one of the most common elements of NDEs. What NDErs see and hear of earthly events in the out-of-body state is almost always realistic. When the NDEr or others later seek to verify what was observed or heard during the NDE, the OBE observations are almost always confirmed as completely accurate. Even if the OBE observations during the NDE included events far from the physical body, and far from any possible sensory awareness of the NDEr, the OBE observations are still almost always confirmed as completely accurate. This fact alone rules out the possibility that near-death experiences are related to any known brain functioning or sensory awareness. This also refutes the possibility that NDEs are unrealistic fragments of memory from the brain. Also, I'll give you more supporting argument on why these things are true; There are at-least more than 30 cases of blind from birth individuals of whom had very realistic OBE's during their death. These including vivid details of the experience. One famous case about a visually impaired woman named Vicki Noratuk. Vicki was born blind, her optic nerve having been completely destroyed at birth because of an excess of oxygen she received in the incubator, many years later, she had a life and death situation where in which she died for a few minutes and had an OBE during her time. She described everything in vivid detail, all of the shapes, colors and everything she never heard of were accurately described. Thus, it refutes the argument that the brain produces dream-like images, during an OBE. Let's talk about the Charles Bonnet Syndrome. When vitctims have this syndrome, it nothing like NDE's nor close to it at all. For example; The most common hallucination is of faces or cartoons. Sufferers understand that the hallucinations are not real, and the hallucinations are only visual, that is, they do not occur in any other senses, e.g. hearing, smell or taste. During an NDE, the blind have ALL of the senses during the experience and just because the syndrome is a vivid hallucination, doesn't mean it destroys NDE's. You are way far from it. "As always, extraordinary claim require extraordinary evidence. A few unreliable anecdotes is not proof that the blind can see." That is false. Most of science were built and founded on anecdotal evidence. Practically all of the NDE components are anecdotal but, that doesn't mean we have to reject it. Often times they bring back accurate information just like Vicki's and are recorded, and investigated. Anecdotes can be reliable. http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org... "- NDEs wouldn't be universal, because each "near death" is unique in the way the brain is or is not deprived, which areas, etc. That's what we see: 80% of "near death" (recovering from cardiac arrest, this sort of things) never experienced any NDEs." False. MOST NDE accounts are similar actually, it's only seeing religious figures are different. Most of the NDE'ers see the universe or go through a portal of time and space or some strange field. Well, my apologies and poorly saying the argument above me but, I will refute your argument about expecting what you want to see. There has been hardcore atheists and agnostics who still have an NDE similar to a theist's. Also, if it were wishful thinking, then why do some NDE'ers have hellish experiences? Obviously nobody would want to think about that place during an NDE. http://www.near-death.com... http://www.near-death.com... http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com... Please, I would like you to present your arguments supporting that NDE's are hallucinations so I'll gladly debunk it. :-)