In 12 Angry Men the boy is guilty

The fact is that those are the words he made out and the old man reported a body hitting the floor. These are very depict able. You can shout over the train. It's possible. Then he heard the body hit the floor violently. The fact is it is possible to hear over the train. This man heard the boy yell those things. There are several videos today that show people shouting over trains, so my point here stands. Why would someone do such a thing. He heard the boy and that was that. My opponent dropps the self defense part which means that there is a viable possibility that the boy did kill his father due to the fit of rage. He may have bought it for his friend, but the fact still remains that the boy had the knife and then lost it after the murder took place. The fact that he had it and then lost it is still a huge issue here. You just don't lose a switch blade like the boy claims he did. You just don't 'lose' a dangerous weapon like that. I personally have a knife. I keep it locked away when I'm at home out of arms reach and when I carry it it is in a case that is attached to my belt so I don't lose it. The fact that he lost this weapon is inexcusable. I said it's possible since we don't know his movie life. For example the average Joe in the US know who Steven Segal, Adam Sandler, and Bruce Willis are. We can recognize them on command due to their popularity. The movie that the kid saw might not have been a popular one or one with famous stars in it. It doesn't explain him not remembering part of the movie or even the title. Most people don't know the name Vamprye Kisses, but they do know about the "You don't say," meme. That's were that came from. There are memorable parts in every movie that one can remember and telling that part will find the title. So that still doesn't explain the fact that he doesn't remember anything about the movie. Plus my opponent dropped the PDST portion and that helps show that he should have picture perfect memory of the account. Still she saw someone that was the size of the boy that killed the father. Though lets say he didn't hear correctly (I'm not dropping my point thus is for the sake of this scenario) the old man still saw the boy run away from the crime scene with his own two eyes. This point being dropped shows that the boy did something and when you add in the fact that the boy didn't call 911 or get help that he had to have done it. Though the fact that he hated his father he still would have felt morally responsible to at least call 911. If he didn't he still wouldn't have ran from the crime scene. My opponent concedes that if the boy didn't kill his father than someone else did for reasons unknown with a switchblade identical to that of the one that the kid had. I did not pull the two witnesses out of the air. There was the old man who heard the boy tell his father that he was going to kill him, heard the body hit the floor, and saw the boy run from the crime scene. There was also the old lady who saw the boy kill his father. These were not pulled out of thin air. The fact that the weapon did not have any finger prints on it can simply mean that the boy simply cleaned the finger prints off of the knife and it's possible for one to remove their own finger prints. (. http://www.scientificamerican.com...) I already refuted the witnesses. My opponent bring up the boys skills in his switch blade fighting, but my opponent does not bring into account of how someone doesn't think clearly when they are angry. (. http://hbr.org...) You don't think clearly or rationally meaning that it is possible for the boy to not be thinking clearly and he went for the overhand murder. In conclusion, I have shown that the boy is guilty beyond doubt. The boy lost his switch blade, can't even remember anything about his movie, and had several witnesses that reported the boy doing the crime. We also see that with there being way to many coincidences in order for this boy to be innocent. I have effectively refuted my opponent and I have shown that the boy had a motive and that he did it.