The existence of god

In this debate I will prove that a god exists. (I will not be debating that the Christian God is the true God but that at least a god has to exist.) To do this I will start out by bringing in Alvin Plantinga's Model Ontological Argument. The premises of this argument are as follows: #1: It is possible that God exists #2: If it is possible that God exists, then God exists in some possible worlds #3: If God exists in some possible worlds, then God exists in all possible worlds #4: If God exists in all possible worlds, then God exists in the actual world #5: If God exists in the actual world, then God exists Now don't get to caught up on this just yet for I am going to explain it in more detail. Now first lets define "possible world". When scientists and philosophers use the term "possible world" they mean "a hypothetical situation. In other words it is used to figure out if something is logical by asking if that something could exist in a world like our own. Next let us define "God" in this argument. There are 3 ways to define a being in this argument: Impossible - An entity that exists in no possible worlds (ex. A square circle) Contingent - An entity that can exist in some possible worlds but not in others (ex. a unicorn) Necessary - An entity that has to exist in all possible worlds (ex. numbers, absolute truths & shape definitions) In this argument I will prove that God is a necessary entity that has to exist. Let's start out with an easy example: Take the number 2. No one created it. It just exists necessarily. It can't not exist. Another example is a shape like a square. A square must have four sides. It ceases to be a square if it only has 3 sides, and would be logically incoherent in any possible world. To recap, a necessary entity is something that cannot be false or fail to exist in any possible world. (Therefore necessarily has to exist in all possible worlds.) Now when I say that God has to exist as a necessary being, it is because He is a Maximally Great Being. A Maximally Great Being is defined as: A being that possesses all qualities that are better to have, (such as necessity) which are defined as "Great Making Properties." (ex. Love, Wisdom, Power) (A MGB would have to have all these qualities to their max.) Also a MGB can't have any "Lesser Making Properties" (ex. Imperfection, Corruption.) In saying this another Property a MGB would have to have is necessity, because being necessary is a property that is better to have. Having defined God as Maximally great, He has to exist because anything that doesn't have to exist isn't maximally great. (ex. unicorn) Now let us go back through the premises with us having "God" defined. #1: It is possible that God (Maximally Great Being) exists #2: If it is possible that God (MGB) exists, then God (MGB) exists in some possible worlds #3: If God (MGB) exists in some possible worlds, then God (MGB) exists in all possible worlds #4: If God (MGB) exists in all possible worlds, then God (MGB) exists in the actual world #5: If God (MGB) exists in the actual world, then God (MGB) exists To defeat this you would have to prove that it is impossible for a Maximally Great Being to exist. I look forward to your rebuttal on those points. As for your second point: "Wether religion causes suffering". I will answer this by saying that it is impossible for an idea to cause suffering. The thought of an idea causing suffering (such as a cute puppy being murdered) is subjective. I do believe that some PEOPLE who believe in a religion can cause suffering but that goes along with all the people outside of a religious circle that are very well capable to cause suffering as much as people who are religious. And I look forward to your rebuttal on that point as well. Thank you very much.