Resolved: In a fight without prior preparation, Batman would defeat Spider-Man.

RE PRO's initial observations: ================= It's well understood that Batman has keen intellect and scientific know how, has lots of gadgets and knows how to put the frights into his foes, but the question which we should be asking is: Is it enough? The thing about Spider-Man is that he deals with enemies with gadgets and keen intellect all the time (Green Goblin, Mysterio, etc) and has pretty keen intellect himself. And having stood up to Blackheart and Thanos on more than one occasion, it's doubtful hat anything Batman has up his sleeve will frighten Spidey. One could say that he is Batman's equal mentally,but his superior physically. Given these qualities, the dark knight doesn't stand a chance. Furthermore, Batsies contingency plans are impressive, but this fight isn't about having preparation, thus such feats are irrelevant. =============== REBUTTAL TO PRO's CASE | =============== RE: C1: RE: Batman is not as emotional as Spider-Man a. There are a great deal of inconsistencies in my opponent's case here. First, Spider-Man lives with his aunt right now in the current comics. Second, although he may not be married, he has matured a great deal over the years (PRO seems to be implying that he is still in high school, but he had graduated college years ago), so it's doubtful that he'd be worrying about whether or not MJ would be willing to go out with him during the night. b. Batman is NOT a loner? The guy has had more sidekicks than one can shake a stick it (2, 3 and 4). In fact, there is hardly a time in the comics at which Batman DOESN't have a sidekick to worry about. That by definition meets the requirements of a loner, hence making the JLU series creator wrong. On the other hand, the only time Spider-Man has had anything CLOSE to a sidekick was when he was romantically involved with the Black cat, though even that didn't last long. At most, Spider-Man is involved in team ups from time to time, but no more than Batman gets involved with the justice league or some random hero. Furthermore, Batman has had even MORE love interests than Spider-Man has had if you'll compare the two links I've provided (5 and 6) and has encountered villains taking advantage of EACH and every one, so the fact that my opponent brings up love interest to use against Spider-Man is only detrimental to her case. c. Not only are Spider-Man's parents dead, but also his Uncle. Spider-Man failed to save Gwen no less than Batman failed to save Jason Todd (former Robin) d. Neither is Batman the type who will mutilate his opponents or permanently injure them in spite of being well capable. Throughout all of these years, you'd think he would have crippled the Joker. Also, he uses the jokes to distract his opponents and because that's part of his true personality. I've sourced this. Spidey Sense negates sneaking. e. Nor is Spider-Man beyond fighting dirty. There's a reason he has been able to best opponents who are completely out of his league. RE: C2: a. Spider-Man has trained with the best (Captain America) and has his own fighting style (16) b. The Spider Webs would indeed be a problem. Even if we are to assume Batman has the chemicals to dissolve the webbing, Speed is another factor(7). In the link I've provided, Spider-Man moves faster then bullets, when he blocks a number of them with his webs, saving Vermin. Spider-Man could EASILY web up Batman's whole body that quickly, preventing him from touching his utility belt in the first place, much less being able to use it. Spider-Man could then proceed to knock him out as quickly as possible with one punch. c. Killer Croc: If my opponent can show this foe as at least being capable of lifting a train off of it's tracks, we'll consider whether or not he is even arguably in Spider-Man's league (8). Clay Face: The same goes for ClayFac, although I'd like to mention that Spider-Man has villains like that in his rogue gallery (Sandman and Hydroman) and has won countless times. The Joker: Whereas the Batman has the Joker, Spider-Man has the Green Goblin (who iis just as crazy and intelligent, but actually has super powers). Lets see Batman beat someone on the Silver Surfer's level without prep time. d. Spider-Man has gotten out of the way of a moving train when he was dropped on it. Considering that he is only about one feet away from being crushed and the speed of the train, he does it all in about a millisecond (9). Not to mention blocking lazers (which by definition, move at the speed of light) with his webshield (10). The point being is that it's unlikely that any trick he uses with his vehicles is going to successfully tag a serious Spider-Man; he's just too fast and the spider-sense just adds to Mr. Wayne's misfortune. e. Spider-Man's current costume is his traditional Red and Blues. f. See C/X in previous round g. All it takes is one good punch to for Batman to be down and out. If a shrunken Spider-man can knock out trained soldiers with one blow, just imagine what he could do to Batman at full size(11)? Not to mention that even if Batman were able to get up and retaliate, we're talking about a guy who reacts to lazers and moves faster than bullets. Batman would embarrassingly miss, hence setting up Spidey for another joke. h. Older? Maybe? Wiser? How so? C3: Re: Spidey-sense actually isn't that helpful Evade all of Batman's blows? He is certainly able to avoid being tagged by machine gun fire at close range without any effort (12). How about dodging bullets from ten snipers at once(13)? As explained here, the only way the spider-sense won't work is if Spidey willfully ignores it(14). As for that link with the butler, that's not an actual Spidey comic. ======== MY CASE: | ======== 1) Spider-man's superman abilities: Although it's true that Batman has tangled with super powered beings in the past, this doesn't change the point which I am making and that is the Batman is at a great disadvantage in this battle. Spider-Man can very well take the dark knight down with one blow and with enough speed to pull this off before any possible reaction on Batman's part. 2) Spidey's genius: As has Spider-man. What's more, he has done it without the convenience of billions of dollars in his wallet. Whether it be creating an antidote to a flesh eating virus in a matter of MINUTES (17) or learning how to operate an extremely advanced piece of machinery (which he has never even seen before), with such skill that he can do the desired effect with it (which is to divert the shockwave) in a matter of seconds, his genius is not to be underestimated. Heck, even Hank Pym (one of the most intelligent people in the MU) considers Peter to be even SMARTER than he is (15). Having impressive gadgets made (as in developed by his company) is precisely what I'm saying. And Batman may be a great dectective, but as is Spider-man. Out of all the heroes present in the avengers, Spider-Man is the first to deduce what the collective is (20). Keep in mind that Tony Stark, Reed Richards, Captain America, The vision and Hank Pym were all in the room. I'll admit that creating backup identities is impressive, but is clearly something Wayne has the advantage of due to sheer resources. CROSS EXAMINATION RESPONSES: 1. Simple. Because as Hank Pym points out (15), he wastes his time and talent punching out thugs via crime fighting. Unlike Batman, Peter wasn't BORN into a great amount of wealth. 2. Certainly. Here's a good description (16) 3. At very least, render unconscious or incapable of continuing the battle. 4. Neither. They don't even know each other. 5. Not by much. He'd still be fast and strong enough to end this battle before Batman could react. 6. Prior preparation: Having knowledge of the battle and time to prepare for said battle in advance. And that'll do it for now CITATION PAGE: (see 6th post) http://www.debate.org...