Dragonball Z/GT is Overrated

I would like to address a couple of your statements. "However, just because Dragonball Z is not the worst offender does not mean we should forgive it.We should be judging the quality of each anime based on itself, not on the other big shows at the time." Remember DragonBall Z was made a long time ago compared to shows like Naruto and Bleach. What this proves is the "over" exposition is something that is almost hereditary in mangas especially those of shounen type. BUT the exposition also has its role when addressing fandom. When characters make statements like "This attack can blow up the planet" or things like "I am ten times stronger than" fans use these things to as legitimate points when discussing who is the strongest character in the series. also the reason why the Z characters are so ridiculously powerful stem to dragonball. Yes it is a debate bout whether Z/GT is overrated or not, but i figure this to be crucial. By the end of DragonBall Goku is more powerful than any human should possibly be. he has defeated a variety of villans including outer space beings such as King Piccolo. Goku is much stronger than master roshi who early in the series is strong enough to destroy the MOON. So when the author decides to continue the Series with DragonBall Z Goku's power can only get higher. thats why many character have this ridiculous world ending strength which they like to boast about. "I chose to center this entire debate around Z and GT because they are more popular. Honestly, dragonball is not nearly as popular as the other two. " This too is arguable. If you where to say that too western audience DragonBall Z/GT where more popular than DragonBall, you would be right hands down. But in Asia, DragonBall is extremely popular. it is ridiculously popular. i mean if it werent that popular DragonBall Z wouldnt have been made. DragonBall Z is the most popular of the three, but DragonBall in Asia is definetely more popular than GT. "Think about this for a second. If Goku did not teleport him away at that instant, he would have exploded, killing destroying the earth. Gohan did NOT have instant transmission. Thus, without Goku, Gohan would have died in the explosion along with the entire world." Undeinably true. But who forced Cell into such a desperate position. Gohan did. Gohan was powerful enough to decimate Cell at any given moment. But the rage that he had against Cell for hurting his friends made him want to play around with Cell before finishing him. Even after Cell returns as Super Perfect Cell after absorbing Gokus Super Saiyan Energy, Gohan is still stronger than him. Then only reason why Cell was about to win that battle was because Gohan sacrificed one of his arms Protecting Vegeta after he attacks Cell recklessly. Also the only reason Gohan steps into battle was because Goku admittedly said that he wasnt strong enough to defeat Cell even in his Full-Power saiyan mode. Therefore had Goku not switched out to let Gohan fight Cell would have killed him regardless. "The point I was trying to make with Naruto and Bleach is that these powers had limitations and weaknesses.The beams do not have an exploitable weakness. " The abilities used in Naruto and Bleach do not have clear weaknesses. They have limitations that stems from the user of the technique because the more tired they get or more chakra or reiatsu they use the overall strength of there technique diminishes. Theres is not a Clear weakness in technique. If Shikamaru had Naruto's amount of Chakra his Shadow Possesion can stretch a much longer distance. Does it not remind you of something. DRAGONBALL Z. In DragonBall Z there attacks have no clear weaknesses, but it is limited by there bodies and by how much KI they have. Shikamarus Shadow Powers and Renji's Bone Serpent Bankai are like the KI attacks. The more chakra Shikamaru has he can extend it further and use the ability for a longer duration of time. The More KI a Z fighter has the more beam attacks he can use. Renji's Bankai is the same. If he has a higher reiatsu than his opponents he can use it so it doesnt break when fighting. When he fights opponents with higher reiatsu then his bankai is weak as it keeps getting crushed, but that is the limiation of the one of wields the weapon not of the weapon itself. " There was a manga/anime called Rurouni Kenshin many year ago. It starred a main character who's fighting style was reading his enemy's movements and lighting fast strikes. His weakness was that he couldn't kill anyone or he would lose grip of his sanity." Is this not the same as the Saiyans? This is a mental weaknesses. Not a weakness of his technique. Like the Saiyans. The Saiyans possesses a mental weakness. Their lust for battle. It is not a weakness of there technique or body, but a weakness of there mind. The way they are created. Much like Kenshin. Kenshin fighting style does not possess a weakness, but it is his mind that does. He cant kill anyone because his mind restricts it because he does not want to become the Battousai again. Much like how Kenshins opponents take advantage of his weakness (that he doesnt kill anybody), enemies of the Z fighters do the same. Like Semi-Perfect Cell vs vegeta. Cell baits Vegeta into helping Cell attain full-power by exploiting Vegeta's Saiyan lust for battle. P.S. Rurouni Kenshin is one of my favourite mangas of all time. Thank you for addressing it :D "So at least we agree GT was overrated and stupid?" Yes, yes we do. I hated GT i thought it was an abomination to the Series. "Honestly, you make this author sound worse than Stephanie Meyer. This author should have had the balls to stand up for their writing instead of being a welcome mat for their fans." Quite Frankly your right. Thats what the author should have done, he should just done what he planned. BUT you have to realize by this point DragonBall Z had transformed. It went from being a simple manga that many people enjoyed into a multi-billion dollar franchise. There were thousands of Toys being produced, i recall like 15-16 movies, card games, video games, it was brought overseas, translated, and put on air for Western Audiences. DragonBall Z was essientially the core of Japanese pop culture at the its peak. Therefore the Author was probably pressed by the production house that publishes his manga, and editors, and the head of major companies who were producing all these DragonBall Z based goods to ALWAYS stay on the good side of the audiences who buy these mangas and toy and all the other products. "So to conclude, it sounds like you are telling me that the willingness for the fans to overrate this manga/anime made it bad?" Your imagination seems to run wild. The fans did not overrate the manga. To overrate is to say that something that is bad is good. or to say that something that is good is excellent. They did not overrate DragonBall Z. What they did was push to keep there favorite characters in. The author had to cringe to the fans demand to keep there favourites characters in so that sales for his manga would sustain. And you are right when saying that, "if there werent as many fanatics of the manga then the intregrity of it would have been sustained". BUT if there werent as many Fanatics as there are for the series, the manga wouldnt be in the position that it is in. Without the boatloads of fans Dragonball Z has it wouldnt be nearly half as popular as it is now and we would not be having this debate right now.