Civlization

Now for the kill. 1) The "x" is the ideology of violence and domination. Even if I had given no "x" this in no way disproves the violence caused by civilization. The ideology in everyone's mind is that civilization is sustainable, beneficial to are survival, increasing the standard or quality of life, and that there is some sort of intrinsic value to this industrializing machine "that rests on the destruction of nature, that separates us from the natural world, that has people on this treadmill to constantly work, constantly consume. It's madness. It's destroying everything and just has to go" (John Zerzan). Let me now refute the claim that space exploration will save us from our sun blowing up in 5 billion years. Because civilization is unsustainable, the earth's resources will be depleted. If oil vanished tomorrow all of civilization would collapse, because civilization is so interconnected and each factor relies on the rest, for example oil is used for transportation, which is used for cars, planes, boats etc. which transfers agricultural products also known as FOOD! And if 7Billion people don't have food then civilization is doomed. The counter arguments to this would be the "green technologies" ya like Ford is a green corporation what a load of sh**. "_____So first of all my opponent says their is no community in debate.org, however first of all it is very easy for people to get to know other people on this website through discussion and debate.____" Ya really, sure you probably have 1 or 2 debates with someone then what? Do you continue talking with them, is there any build up in your friendship, relationship etc. For one thing we aren't even seeing each other and interacting in the same environment (location), that takes a huge chunk of the social communication when you can't see facial expressions, hearing each other, seeing each other, and I would say at least one fundamental part of a community is being together, not through the internet. I am not sure... why my opponent insists that this website is a community it seems very absurd and to most new users of this site and outside observers will probably recognize this very fast. Also if your actually trying to tell me that Facebook and Myspace are social.... From my experience and many other friends and I have also heard from many people online the problems with social networking sites. If my opponent thinks that having 300-1000 friends is natural or in the slightest normal then I am simply going to call that insanity. Sure anyone can add a stranger or a friend of friend of a family member to the "friends list" and play Farmville and Mafia Wars or take advertisement surveys from corporations, how fun! But if your actually going to believe that this is actual community with healthy or semi- normal social interaction then a further rebuttal is not needed because the problems with these social networking is obvious and apparent. "___Further more "anonymous" people online are merely trying to conceal their identity; how is this any more different than slipping in to a cafï¿½ one day and having a friendly conversation with a stranger, or picking up a random girl for a one-night stand.___" Ya there is a great difference reality. You are actually there with that person interacting as a human not through a machine which was made through the destruction of the earth and nature. In fact we could trace the line of production especially since a lot of are products are made from child workers in china, and women and men who spend the whole year living inside the factory and only get to see there children and family for less than a week during holidays. The wages are degrading and scarce. Let me now ask you the voters of this debate is it moral for a worker who works practically there whole lives in degradation under a system that forces them into these arbitrary roles as cogs in the industrial machine. The bosses and CEO's who boss them around and abuse them. "Discipline is what the factory and the office and the store share with the prison and the school and the mental hospital"(Bob Black). Is this system that destroys nature moral? Think about it "If, on the other hand, your food comes from a landbase and your water comes from a river, then youï¿½€™ll defend to the death that landbase and that river, because your life depends on them." (Derrick Jensen) That means that we will defend private industry and the state because it gives s resources, but in a unsustainable way which is destroying everything. I have changed my political views alot in the last 2 years, republican , democrat, ron paul vulgar libertarian, communism, anarcho capitalism, mutualism, direct democracy,technocracy, anarchism, free-market anarchism, agorism, left rothbardian, venus project, anarcho syndicalism, left libertarianism, transhumanism and now primitivism. I believe primitivism is the natural state of humans, and that we will live happy fulfilling lives beyond civilization. We don't need governments, republics this industrial capitalist machine, that is enslaving us under a hierarchy of bosses, wealth, classes with different power on the hierarchy. My opponent has an absurd political position, unlike me he wanders in the fantasy that this system can be change by those in power. Even if Sarah Palin got into power in 2012 and stopped Obama the violence of the civilizing system will still lead to it's inevitable end. My opponent has showed no evidence that civilization will not collapse and devastate the planet. He has merely used a common neo conservative tactic is to attack the liberals at every point yet never and use there attack on the liberal ideas to justify there system. Rather than focus on what actually happens in a free market such as slavery, 14 hour working conditions, they simply attack communism. The cold war was justified by the anti communist ideology in are culture manufactured by those in power. Anyway I am not going to ramble on about the Cold War as it is not that important. OK next topic natural hierarchy, this is true and will always exist in civilization and hunter-gatherer societies. Now my opponent will try to convince you that there is no difference in the amount of hierarchy, remember hunter gather societies are mostly extended family so the hierarchy that will exist is familiar hierarchy, but unlike western society the San people in the Kalahari Dessert don't beat there children and never speak harshly. They are very relaxed people with healthy social relations. The parents aren't forced to work and are separated from the children, and much more leisure time and so there life is happy and the work which they do would be considered skilled hobbies by most westerners, such as fishing, hunting, making clothes, firemaking, making shelters. The hierarchy in civilization is extreme at least half of the world makes less than $1 a day! while those higher on the hierarchy enjoy the wealth from the suffering of others.That is what capitalism is a system where in order to gain power and a high standard of living (which is really just an artificial environment) you have to exploit and gain domination on those lower in the hierarchy. This is what civilization is. Voters, I negate that playstations are worth the human suffering caused by civilization. Vote against free market FASCISM. The Hobbesian Myth can prevail no longer! We must be human and bring about the archaic revival and bring back the original affluent society! Nature must not die because of the Kapitalists Neo Conservative Monarchists! Vote CON! http://www.youtube.com... http://www.zpub.com... http://zoeblunt.wordpress.com... http://www.youtube.com... http://www.youtube.com... http://www.youtube.com... http://www.eco-action.org...