Best Batman Villain

p1) Ra's al Ghul created Red Hood. p2) Ra's al Ghul created Batman p3) He dies in Batman Begins p4) Red Hood is the greatest Batman villain. p1) "In the movie it is fact that Ra's al Ghul does make the Red Hood." - This simply isn't true. In Under the Red Hood , we see Ra's submerge Jason Todd into the Lazarus Pit. However, this is a flashback, narrated by Ra's. This brings into question the reliability of it. It is possible that Ra's is lying. Which, when using the other source I stated up front, Battle for the Cowl , convincingly proves (even without including Infinite Crisis) that the Lazarus Pit did not bring Jason back from the dead. "It was Ra's that teamed up with the Joker who killed Jason Todd(Robin)." - He did create Red Hood in this way, but not intentionally (unlike how Joker made Two-Face in TDK). It was a total accident on Ra's part that Jason died. Feeling remorse at mistakenly killing the hero... not very villain-like. "Without Ra's al Ghul Jason Todd would still be Robin." - Robin had to die, like fate (popular demand... though was a very close vote) - if it wasn't Ra's that instigated it... it would have been someone else in some other way (I know this is breaking the 4th wall, but is that not allowed?) p2) "Well actually he doesn't created Batman" ... your opening statement and thesis "The three reasons I choose him was because he created the Red Hood and Batman" - ಠ_ಠ p3) "in the comics Ra's al Ghul is immortal" - No, he isn't. Definition of immortal - Living forever; never dying or decaying. This includes other things besides Old age, which is the only thing Ra's is slightly "immune" to. He still ages like everyone else (actually accelerated). If someone can be killed with a gun or knife or cancer or plague or whatever else.. they cannot be called "immortal". In the comic, Ra's does get old and then rejuvenates himself every so often to make him young again. Firstly, he can still be killed => not immortal. Secondly, the process is faltering, requiring him to use Lazarus Pits more often. This will eventually lead him to have to rejuvenate so quick he won't be able to travel from pit to pit in time and thus, die => not immortal. Thirdly, there are a finite number of Lazarus Pits, and they used to only be able to be used once. But they can still be destroyed. In fact, there are currently only five (after Batman and Bane went around destroying the rest of them). => not immortal. So, while Ra's is very very old, and will live a long time (assuming he doesn't get killed), he is not immortal (just pre-empting if you use the argument that "he won't be killed in the comic!"... neither will Batman, Alfred, or a number of other people in the DC universe. They can be killed, and hence are not immortal... just like Ra's) p4) It's an ideological thing. The debate is "Best Batman Villain". To me, that says who can defeat the Bat. You say, "He isn't a villain more like an out of control vigilante", but not to Batman... to Batman, he is a Villain. While, you can argue that Batman tries to rehabilitate Red Hood, he even does this with Joker (and we are left to wonder if Batman truly believes that Joker will ever be cured? We could have a whole debate on that topic alone... hmmm)... so he doesn't do it because he sympathizes with Red Hood, or is endeared to him... he does it because that is his Ideology... his modus operandi. Additionally, one of the most prolific moments for me in Under the Red Hood is at the end when Alfred asks Bruce if he would like to remove Jason's Robin costume from the Batcave... and Bruce responses sternly "No, this doesn't change any thing. This doesn't change anything at all". If nothing is changed, then Jason Todd is still dead to him and Red Hood is like any other villain. "If Red Hood does kills Joker, Killer Croc, Mr. Freeze, etc. he would be a hero in the eyes of the civilians." - Yes, yes he would... but from the debate topic.. we're not debating "the greatest Villain"... we're debating the Best Batman Villain and Red Hood would not be a hero in the eyes of Batman... he would be a Villain... the most terrible Villain of all... because he won. No other Villain has the potential to win against Batman.