A Biblical Debate : Total Depravity (CALVINISM)

I appreciate my opponent's response. I will now respond to his arguments and give my closing statement.Opponent's Arguments"Let us be clear on this matter, Partial Depravity does not say that humans are not evil, or that they aren’t responsible for their evil decisions. This text fits perfectly with an Arminian understanding of Depravity, and it does not in any way support my opponent’s position of Total Depravity as it relates to the differences in the positions of this debate."I completely agree with this claim. What my opponent fails to realize is what my argument is. My argument says that nothing good can come out of the natural man.Total Depravity - "The doctrine understands the Bible to teach that, as a consequence of the the Fall of man, every person born into the world is morally corrupt, enslaved to sin and is, apart from the grace of God, utterly unable to choose to follow God or choose to turn to Christ in faith for salvation."Every person born into the world is morally corrupt and unable to choose God or choose to turn to Christ for salvation. The reason I used the verses in my previous arguments was that I was relating the natural ways of man apart from Christ and establishing, through Scripture, that the natural man is utterly corrupt.The key point here is that there are two sides in this debate where one is logical and one is not.1. Man is utterly corrupt and makes utterly corrupt decisions and cannot do any good. (Total Depravity)2. Man is utterly corrupt but can defy his nature to make a good decision. (Partial Depravity)This is the "Apple - Peach" Tree Debate.I claim that an apple tree bears apples whereas my opponent can say an apple tree can bear peaches.My opponent then goes on to his 3 point of his argument which deals with election.My opponent believes that the word, predestination, in the Bible refers to Corporate Election, which means that when someone accepts Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior, then they become part of the elect that the Lord talks about in Scripture. The weakness of his argument is a lack of biblical citations and a lack of argument in general.He says that the word "Predestination" is not what I say it is, yet he does not prove that it is not. "The Concept. Divine predestination means that God has a purpose that is determined long before it is brought to pass. It implies that God is infinitely capable of planning and then bringing about what he has planned, and Scripture speaks of him as doing this ( Isa 14:24-27 ; 22:11 ; 37:26 ; 44:7-8 ; 46:8-10 ). Prophecy in its predictive mode is to be understood accordingly. God plans and makes his plans known, as he chooses, to his servants the prophets ( Amos 3:7 )."http://www.biblestudytools.com...It is careful to say that GOD will bring about what he has planned, not man.Biblical Verses for PredestinationEphesians 1:4-5 "Even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love he predestined us for adoption as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will."Romans 8: 28-30 "And we know that for those who love God all things work together for good, for those who are called according to his purpose. For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers. And those whom he predestined he also called, and those whom he called he also justified, and those whom he justified he also glorified."John 6:44 "No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day."2 Timothy 1:9 "He has saved us and called us to a holy life" not because of anything we have done but because of his own purpose and grace. This grace was given us in Christ Jesus before the beginning of time..."Ephesians 1:11-12 "In him we were also chosen, having been predestined according to the plan of him who works out everything in conformity with the purpose of his will, in order that we, who were the first to put our hope in Christ, might be for the praise of his glory."Here is why all voters should vote for Pro : Definition of Total Depravity : "The doctrine understands the Bible to teach that, as a consequence of the the Fall of man, every person born into the world is morally corrupt, enslaved to sin and is, apart from the grace of God, utterly unable to choose to follow God or choose to turn to Christ in faith for salvation."1. I have proven, through Scripture, the heart of man before Christ and that it is utterly corrupt. (Titus 1:15-16)2. I have stated that since accepting Christ would be considered a good act, that it is impossible to accomplish from the natural man due to the fact that the heart of the natural man can do no good. (2 Timothy 1:9)3. My opponent agrees with me that men are utterly corrupt, but states that we can still choose Christ on our own, which he has no biblical evidence for.4. My opponent makes the claim that some can come to Christ with the help of the Holy Spirit, which indeed cancels his own argument because he is confessing that there is need of an extraterrestrial force in order to come to Christ.5. My opponent states that man can seek God, yet does not give any Scriptural evidence for that claim. Nothing good can come out of man, and seeking God would be "good", which contradicts his whole argument.6. I have given evidence for the side topic of predestination and the true definition of it and biblical verses to back it up.These are the reasons the voters should vote for Pro!I congratulate my opponent for giving me a very good debate and putting me up to the challenge. Cordially, jo021698j