The 5 Proofs of Thomas Aquinas for God are logically sound

Hi, Most of our misunderstandings seem to stem from your belief that time itself cannot have a point of origin.Hence many of your conclusions about the nature of the mind and the nature of objective good seems to come from that. I am an engineering student who took an advanced physics courses in college,But I admit that I have only a high-school level understanding of evolution.I am glad you seem to have a better understanding about this, and am excited at the prospect of learning about this from you. Rather than providing a point to point rebuttal(like you), I will address the root of our disagreement and will first give arguments to show that time can have a point of origin, and then give reasons to show why Intelligent design is possible. To understand the reasons why time must have a definite point of origin, I will demonstrate that time and space are not independent of each other,but are in fact part of one 3-D fabric.Time and space can be 'bent' and 'stretched'. I will then show why the universe and everything in it including time itself must have a point of origin. Firstly, the universe can never remain in a fixed position because of gravity.This means that if there ever was a time when the all the celestial bodies were at rest, then gravity would have acted to ensure that the bodies will move together and converged.Once the bodies have begun to converge at a point, then there is no way to get them to start diverging again. However, the bodies are moving away from each other and the rate of divergence is directly proportional to the distance ,so they must have always been diverging.The other 4 points given support this.I have a very limited word limit, I am sorry I am not able to elaborate. I understand that it can be really hard to imagine time as something that can be stretched.But it has actually been proven.Astronauts regularly find that atomic clocks subjected to different amounts of acceleration show difference in time. I am giving a video that explains this better in the sources. Since Time is within the realm of Cause and effect, but the mind is not we can deduce that the mind as outside space-time. The processes of the mind have not changed much due to the nature of the frame of reference like time. The processes of the mind may be within the realm of cause and effect, but the mind itself need not be. A simpler way of explaining this is if we see the mind as the software that runs on the hardware of the brain.The software exists only at the conceptual level, but it's effect can be felt in the real world.All the effects of the software may be felt in the real world, if it is programmed that way, but the software itself will remain in the conceptual level alone.Likewise,Mind can make changes in space-time run all it's processes in space-time, but it can do it without being in space-time itself. We can perceive that the space itself is expanding, so we can deduce that it was in a contracted state yesterday.Thus using this and the other logic for an ever expanding universe we can deduce that it was in a really contracted state at the beginning of the Universe.Thus, when this is coupled with the first 5 reasons given in my opening statement, I hope it gives overwhelming support that the universe has a definite starting point, and that space and time itself began in this. now some other points that you raised: 1. if there was a super symmetry to be broken that means something existed to be broken beforehand. This itself was something outside space-time.and the thing that existed is similar to a disembodied mind.This is what I am calling God. 2.If you find a tree knocked over an alien tractor beam could have done it so whatever did it must be similar to an alien tractor beam? If you found out cut marks in the trunk, you can deduce that a cutting device like an axe was used to cut it.An axe becomes a much more LIKELY event than a conspiracy involving aliens.Likewise, I have shown how the universe should have been started by something that is outside the realm of space and time(and cause and effect)and how the mind is the only thing that we know exists outside cause and effect that can effect changes in spacetime.So something similar to a mind is a better guess. 3.I would ask why it is that only Gods are caused by nothing. I never said God is caused by nothing.I am calling that which is uncaused and eternal as God.There is a huge difference.I have already demonstrated how the universe has a cause and is not eternal.So I am calling that which caused the universe as God.Nothing cannot cause anything.Only something can.I am calling that something God. 4.good must be in a timeless void. What is good in a timeless void? Its potential to become something with time, space, and life? we can only perceive the world through space time.But the objective good remains untouched by it.The concept of a circle is something in our mind. It is practically impossible to draw the perfect circle, but we are able to compare this concept in our mind(which is also outside spacetime) and are able to determine if what is drawn is an accurate approximation or not. Likewise, the objective good is there in our mind.We compare all our actions to this and can discern if an action is morally good or bad. Now, for our discussion on Evolution. I am totally for the formation of species.I agree that the formation of species is possible.I am merely against the belief that all forms of life can happen through a Random process alone. My major point was that even though so many species were formed, the basic biological processes remain the same.So the formation of new species actually makes my position stronger. I'll explain the argument better: The HIV and Malarial viruses have an amazing ability to mutate and develop drug resistance. They form different species, and not just a small change every time they mutate and develop resistance. But even with their awesome mutation powers, the malarial virus was unable to infect a person with sickle cell haemoglobin, and the basic biochemistry of the HIV has always remained the same.No Virus has developed a mitochondria or other advanced cell parts, even though they were given all the necessary impetus for it. Darwinism claims that all complex life developed from a single cell, this requires the organism to change it's biochemistry each and every time. It also requires a series of blind mutations all happening at the same time for each and every organ to develop. we can see that the organ systems, advanced cell features etc. all have an independent pattern, as they work together and each requires the other part to function differently.If only one part of an organ system existed, it is useless on its own. we also see that this large number of random blind mutations are very improbable(A single person has over a trillion malarial viruses and millions of people are infected every year, for hundereds of years.yet not a single advancement in the complexity of the organism was seen) this is why design becomes possible.The agent can be something outside space-time, so we can be completely unaware of its presence. I have a very rudimentary understanding of this, from High school.It would help if you could suggest some books, and provide sources in your next rebuttal. Eagerly awaiting your response Sincerely, CynicalDiogenes Sources explain existence of space time and the paradoxes that are observed: http://www.youtube.com... http://en.wikipedia.org... http://en.wikipedia.org... these sources show that time itself has origin: http://www.feynmanlectures.caltech.edu... Brief History of time by stephen Hawking http://www.theguardian.com... this last source is really interesting and relevant, but is not that direct.I hope you see it anyways.