Strength in Numbers

Pro says regarding the 1000 versus the heavily armed man, "The men could always tire him out by running around pointlessly, using other bodies as "armor" to protect themselves, throwing dead men upon the heavily armed man to distract him." But as I said before, if he has a flame torch all he need do is spin in a circle while spitting fire. Even while holding dead bodies the 1000 men couldn't get to him. Just imagine yourself trying to lift a heavy body which is ON FIRE! Matter how courageous these men are, they have to succumb to the pain and fear of being burnt to death. They won't be able to even throw the bodies at the armed man when they themselves catch fire, which won't take long. We also have to remember that Pro describes these majorities as being ALMOST-INEFFECTIVE, so we don't imagine them to be the most courageous, fearless soldiers who aren't afraid to die in the face of odds like these. The flame torch could light the ground on fire (if on a grassy pasture, or if oil or other flammable materials are around) so that the 1000 men cannot even bare the heat. He, though, has a technologically advanced armor that is heat resistant. He is quite comfortable inside. Who will run through the flames to get at him? None! Even without the torch, just think about the machine gun. These are armor piercing bullets. So even if the men hold up dead bodies in front them they won't get near him. The bullets will tear through the flesh of the dead and bore holes in the living. When he throws grenades at the guys further out, at this point is just all over. He can take out most of them in no time. So I don't see them getting close to him in the first place. So nobody is going to be able to steal his weapons. The armed man could also have the outside of his armor equipped with spikes, so that if anyone dares try to touch him and steal his weapons they will get injured instantly like trying to grab a cactus. It just goes to show if one man is smart enough he can defeat a 1000. What if the armed man coats his weapons in cow itch? He is fully covered, unaffected, but the second the men lay hands on his guns (if they could even get to it) they itch so much they have to put it down. Kinda think about it, he doesn't even need all these weapons, just the armor. If he bursts open a few bags of cow itch to blow in the wind on the faces, arms and legs of the 1000 men, its all over again. Everyone would just be rolling on the ground scratching while he takes his time killing each one. Pro claims that if the army has spies they would find the bomb created by a genius, but a genius is so smart he could think of a hiding place for his bomb they would either never look, or a place so hard for them to get to they would never try. One might assume if America is building an atom bomb, it will be built on their own land, but what if a genius builds it on foreign soil while the spies look in vain for it in America? And yes, a bomb doesn't kill everyone. It didn't kill everyone in Japan when the atom bomb blew up Heroshima, but the survivors surrendered out of pure fear than another one would be dropped. That's the power of a single genius and a powerful weapon. When the bomb vaporizes 600 men, the other 400 will easily surrender. Why keep fighting when you don't know how many more bombs the genius has, and he is dropping them from his plane way up above the clouds where you can't reach him, and his plane has stealth so you can't even track him? From the sky as the advantage, it doesn't matter how many soldiers those below have, they are finished! Pro admitted the hurricane is unbeatable, vote Con. Then had had to turn his army of almost INEFFECTIVE people into a planet full of geniuses to stop the asteroid. Didn't he watch Armageddon? Millions of fools can't take down 1 asteroid, especially one bigger than the earth. By making any of them geniuses with advanced weapons, he is back to arguing that that might beats numbers, because the might of super technology trumps the asteroid. And notice he had to speculate about technology we don't even have yet, why? Because the asteroid is bigger than the earth, so we have to be IN SOME WAY bigger and badder to defeat it, namely, having incredibly advanced technology. And why didn't he think of this for the storm, huh? Why didn't he say we could invent a weather machine that changes the weather and gets rid of storms? Cause that would be cheating and he knows it! You can't describe geniuses as being almost ineffective, that's a contradiction. Geniuses are usually very effective in whatever they do. Furthermore, if the asteroid is made of compressed iron ore, and travels close to the speed of light, no power company can even generate what we would need to put a dent in that thing, let alone destroy it. Like the astrophysicist on Armageddon said: "You could fire every nuke you've got at her, and she'll just smile and keep on coming." That's why they needed to blow her up from the inside, and it took great intelligence and technology to do this, something almost ineffective people don't have. Something the average person doesn't have. We kill caterpillars and other insects everyday; they aren't suddenly going to evolve in the middle of their extermination, and it will take a very long time for the few who do survive to pass on that mutation to their offspring. By the time they have populated back to being 1 billion for another attack, the Pest Control company would have noted the mutation and updated the pesticides to suit. We can reason, these caterpillars can't, that's our advantage. Even if a thousand caterpillars cover a man, the man isn't affected nor does he scream in disgust because he is covered from head to toe in his protective suit. He can easily squash these worms. Pro had to abandon his argument on Iron Man versus the 15 men, so vote Con. Pro says Gulliver was awake and still captured, but he fails to acknowledge that he was only captured because he was asleep. If Pro is going to allow the army of small, weak people the element of surprise, he has to be fair and give the one, strong, big enemy the same thing. Surely if Gulliver had the element of surprise they would never have captured him. If he had tied them up while they were sleeping I doubt they would get away either, so what does capturing a man while he sleeps prove? Gulliver was Godzilla to them. Yes, people teamed up to build the nuclear bomb, people with PhDs in physics. That's not characteristic of the ordinary man who is almost ineffective. Pro isn't supposed to have any geniuses in this crowd. One could put krptonite in a movie and use it to kill Zod, but it would be very unrealistic. It wouldn't work in the real world. Zod knows this is his main weakness, he isn't a fool. He has eyes that can see through walls. He isn't just going to go undergroud without looking where he is going. He's going to see through the earth to all the cryptonite down there and avoid it. In fact, he has laser eyes, so he can fire beams from the sky to destroy the people and the kryptonite without come close enough to them so they could stop him. Superman also has a suit that protects him from the effects of cryptonite. It appears in all the cartons and in the Lewis & Clarke series. Pro says many people can run around for basis necessities, but the three soldiers actually know where to look because of their training, cutting down on time. And they only need enough for three, they don't need to look for enough to feed and protect a large crowd, so they have the advantage. Thanks for a great debate so far.