Nudity Should Be As Legal As Clothing

Note- I will also present my opponents comments in parentheses to separate them from my responses. (Law makers have put forth these laws because they believe that it would be in the publics' best interest to not allow nudity. We too could consider that these, as a human rights law, will be drafted with the utmost care due to its sensitive nature. Making them much more susceptible to an opaque interpretation.) (I guess I'm a bit more cynical than you. I don't put anything past an elected official. Might be why politicians have such bad reputations. I can only hope the laws they pass reflect the majority. If for no better reason, than they want to keep their jobs.) - That is a point a may not have been clear in making. To keep their job they will put into action a law they feel that the general Conesus follows. In this case, it being that the majority I speak of, not being for public nudity. The second part of my statement was my own opinion of how similar laws; laws that deal with rights and freedoms are often vague in interpretation due to how fragile society responds to them. (The laws mistakenly mention nudity while leaving clothing alone. Certain clothing is not acceptable in public, but politicians didn't see the need to include them in the wording of indecency laws. My question is, "Why is that?" I believe they knew that clothing alone didn't represent a problem. If nudity was more accepted, then it wouldn't be included in the indecency laws as well. It's my job to educate the public and that's what I'm doing now.) - I don"t particularly see the point in attacking clothing other than it being the opposite of nudity. I get that you are paralleling the two to point out your view on what happens with clothes can happen without clothes and visa versa. This I would again argue with my above points I responded with in the previous round. (There is crime in a clothed society. People commit crimes while clothed. Can we agree on that?) -Yes, I agree. (Do you believe clothing is causing these crimes? Do you believe clothing is increasing the number of crimes? If not, then what is? Why do you think nudity would cause more crime? I don't believe you can blame one or the other. And if you think nudity would increase the crime rate, then you can't give clothing a pass based on the fact you prefer clothing to nudity. Let's be fair.) - This is why I stated my own opinion and what I feel is the case for the vast majority of individuals out there " {I have seen my entire life scantly clad outfits that one would find attractive. The allure of this will never go away. Looking at a nude female to me is batter than a clothed female.} So I do not blame clothing, I blame peoples response to clothing or the lack there of! - Do you feel it may be a possibility that more nudity/less clothing could be leading to a more perverse society? (Funny thing is I get no desire from seeing anyone naked. I actually need to see people clothed to get any sexual feeling. But I think we are moving away from the point of this debate.) - To your credit, perhaps this may be a result of having exercised this environment as you mentioned earlier. (Why not ban clothing since it is creating sexual desire as well? The more nudity becomes accepted. The less people will feel any desire. Then we can truly evolve as a society.) - I just don"t agree that is works this way. In a perfect world". maybe. I reiterate that us as humans have desires that are natural desires. The opposite sex, sometimes the same sex, is attractive and is lusted after. Wouldn"t it stand to reason that the more of the body exposed the more pleasing to the eye? Pleasing, sensual and sexual. If we don't ban clothing in public for creating this desire or lust, then we can't ban nudity in public for it either. - You are in essence agreeing that this desire exists, correct? If we ban clothing like you suggest, what does that leave us with? No clothes, perpetuating the issue. (But you can control them in public and act decently I assume? The same would apply to your interactions with naked people in public. Just seeing someone clothed or naked is not enough to make you act indecently in public. Do you ever see someone clothed that turns you on? How do you act when you do? If you pose any threat to naked people in public, then you are an equal threat to clothed people.) You see many clothed people in public and hardly notice them anymore. You might look at one or two more closely, but then you don't care and move on. The same will apply to naked people. If I put you in a room of naked people, it will take less than five minutes for you to become comfortable and forget they aren't wearing clothing at all. The same applies to clothed people. If I put you in a room with clothed people, it will take less than five minutes for you to become comfortable and forget they are wearing clothing. Naked people are no more interesting or desirable than clothed people. Your attraction is based on your own desires. And I trust you to keep those in check. (If a person is incapable of such, then they pose a threat to both clothed and naked alike. I don't give people a pass for bad behavior based on whether the person they choose to commit these crimes on are clothed or naked. To me, someone who cannot control themselves in public deserves what punishment is currently on the books. You can't blame the victim for the crime. Neither can you blame clothing or nudity. Crimes are already committed in a clothed society. Things already turn ugly pretty quick if someone does indecent acts. Can you blame nudity for that? Can you blame clothing? A person who is willing to do indecent acts in public won't care if the people are clothed or naked. They are beyond the point of operating in a civilized society. Haven"t we heard time and time again about how people (unfortunately, mostly woman) Have "asked for it" " meaning them being the provocateur and the provocative attire leads to the offense. I feel this is very wrong but seems to illustrate that my point of showing more is urging more. (I'm going to make one additional point. Take a long look at yourself clothed in the mirror. Ask yourself if the clothing you wear makes you the person that you are. Ask yourself if you become a different person while wearing clothing. Now take the clothing off and do the same. Ask yourself if you deserve any less respect from others without clothing. Ask yourself if you're any more desirable without clothing than when you were wearing it. And finally ask yourself, I enjoy being able to make a choice of what to wear on my body without someone telling me I cannot wear it. I enjoy being comfortable in public and won't let someone tell me what I can and cannot wear. It is none of their business and if they don't like it they can simply not look. You give that freedom to clothed people. Why not give that freedom to someone naked? Why not choose simply not to look?) I repeat that I respect you view and I actually wish there are many freedoms that could be more freely expressed. - A point that might be worth noting that I have yet to mention is cleanliness. This topic has got me to thinking how nudity would effect how every day public affairs would effect the average person. My comments may sound crass but my intentions are to just be blunt and to the point. Cleanliness and hygiene! We all know that some people are not as clean as others. How would this effect others on subways, in movie theaters, anywhere for that matter if someone who chooses not to clean themselves after defecating? How would someone's wife or husband react if their significant other was exposed to an erection due to someone being attracted to them? Would that effect where off over time? Could woman's vaginas be subject to bacteria and germs? As you point out that the genitals are used for discretion of human waste. An obvious source of germs. How would young children be effected psychologically? They do not have the same level of understating as we (adults) have. Just some points to ponder. I would be curious to know how this does unfold in nudist camps and where nudity is acceptable. I would welcome your insight.