There Never Should Have Been An Iraq War

First, I would like to clarify myself: When I said" Well' bulls$&*" , I was saying that invading Iraq because he was massacring his own people a bulls$^9 reason, not that genocide is bulls%*8. My apologies if anyone took offense and I believe that Con is taking my words out of context. Also, I would like to quote Con " I also invite the Pro to use basic brain functions." A rather low blow, you may not agree with me but, at least do it civilly without berating people. -Also:"You don't believe crooked politics play a part in it?"" Nope...." Con, you are sounding really naive, Watch: The Fog of War documentary, you'll have a change of opinion. -If may quote Con again: "Refusal to allow weapons inspectors into the country, etc." Read up on your history Con Saddam didn't want weapons inspectors in because he wanted to implant in the Iranians that he had a WMD so Iran wouldn't invade. (Info: Nat Geo) If he let weapon inspectors in then he cat would be out of the bag and Iran would invade. -" the Islamic world and the West have existed since the Crusades" The United States of America wasn't around during the Middle Ages...." Why, didn't you know that? Also, I said "West" not America, the term "West" originally referred to western European countries then, eventually that term included America. read your history Con. -I invite the Pro to look back in time to the last time we tried to show compassion towards a cynical leader his name was Hitler. I would like Con to look back to 1918's France, Versailles to be exact. If we had been a little more lax with Germany and showed some compassion instead of imposing such harsh peace terms, Hitler never would have risen to power. (Info courtesy of Hist Ch). -" and this recent "crusade" has only made relations worse, isn't time it this stopped and we made an effort for peace?" A crusade is defined basically as holy war, this war was not an act of war for religious reasons it was a military operation to remove a tyrant dictator from power and bring peace and stability to a nation that has not lived in freedom since the time of Babylon.... Also we made peace with Iraq, and the resolution here is that the war should not have happened not that it should have ended already, because it already did. " - Figurative language Con. I did not think someone would take the word "crusade" and misconstrue it as you did. -"In those 20 years Iraq went far from being an unstable ally to a dire threat to world peace," Con refuses to acknowledge all of the threats that we got from North Korea, and we know for a fact they have WMD's. Why don't we invade them with the unstable condition that they're in? They seem like a worse threat than Iraq. Con has also contradicted himself observe:" when Osama Bin Laden died nobody cheered for his death (info courtesy of FOX news) " Pro.................... Osama Bin Laden and 9/11 had nothing to do with Iraq.................... Stop watching Fox News........." But, Con said in round 2: "Meanwhile, after the 9/11 attacks, America is still scrambling how to defend themselves from another surprise attack against people they originally did not see as a threat while assessing who now has the most power and is the largest threat to national security" According to the latter quote 9/11 heightened our awareness to other threats in the world and we did not wan another attack so we invaded Iraq before they invaded us, according to Con' quotes there is a lose connection between 9/11, Osama Bin Laden, and the war. -Also, "Stop watching Fox News........." It is a free country Con, I'm allowed to watch whatever news programming I want. However biased. -"Invasion of countries that upset international trade"- invasions that we helped finance. -- I would also like to point out to Con that the title of the debate is: "There never should have been an Iraq war." Not, " Was the Iraq war justifiable?" There is no debating that there was an Iraq war and Saddam was a messed up guy, and we went for reasons our government told us. ( I would like to point out that the main reason, that Saddam had WMD's , the U.S. never found any!) But, I am simply advocating that the Iraq war could have been avoided. That the reasons the government told us for going over there had non-violent solutions. That Saddam's crimes against his people could have been stopped if the west quit exporting weapons over there. That sanctions would have worked because you can't build a WMD without parts made in the west! There was an alternative to the war, there was an alternative to all those deaths, there was an alternative to all those fatherless children and, that alternative was peace.