This house would vote Ron Paul

Thank you once again "I don't understand if johnson is real or still part of that fictional scenario"I wrote hamilton in the second round...Maybe thats what you ment."The United States may never have defaulted, but then again they've never been in so much debt before. This is uncharted territory " thats false. this is from my own round 2:"you might cite that debt is 100% of GDP, well it was 121% of GDP during world war II and we returned to stability" so we've been in in a worse debt situation before, and we returned to stability without implmenting the measures Congressman paul advocates for. "Johnson could pick up the state debt, but can America really afford that now?"you ment hamilton, but we don't need to worry about state debt. The states are prohibited from defict spending, they can't borrow money to pay for their budget. They aren't allowed to issue bonds for their budget. i relise your from new zealand so little stuff like this is probably overlooked, btw your knowledge of american goverment surpasses the majority of american citizens, but its important to note that state debt isn't an issue anymore. The hanilton example was used to illistrate the vast capablities of our statesment(and to a lesser extent an example of the federal goverment intervening for the greater good)"Kennedy had an uncompromising resolve to remove all of the missiles from Cuba"you used the word 'uncompramising' as to sugggest kennedy solved the cuban missle crisis by standing firm. Well, he didn't. He removed the jupiter missles from cuba. Your ignoring this because its inconvient to your point. Theres no way around this: kennedy and krushev came to a compramise so both sides could save face and come out alive. your wordplay is not argument."the treaty of Versailles hardly caused German poverty"Then you have a misunderstaning of history. The reperations germany was forced to pay (269 billion gold marks, equivelant to 50% of all the gold ever mined in history)1 broke the back of the fragile german economy. You'll recall they hyperinflated their currency(wheelbarrel full of marks) and went bust. in their despair turned to a madman. "The Nazis rose to power on the empty stomachs of the German people". Your also wrong about the american depression. The stock market crashed on sept 4, 1929; The treaty of versaille was signed in 1918, so your a decade off. The united states was doing well during those years, the roaring 20's. germany muddled along but by 1930 she was done. In 1931 germany stopped paying reparations. You may find it concidentall that the german collapse and the great depression are so close together; there was huge amounts of foriegn lending from american banks to the german banks to keep the dog and pony show going. It finally came to an end. Interstly enough, the federal reserve refused to bail out the banks; thus we suffered through 12 years of depression in order for the "free market" to correct itself. (btw, unemployment rose to 25%. I'm appalled at people who say that our current 8.5% is an "Obama depression" its a convientatly igornant statement, one that has no appreciation for what a depression means. 8.5% is by no stretch 25%) The point here of course is that the french and british refuesd to compramise with wilson and the germans for the sake of pragmatism. Their uncomrasming demands were stastified, without listening to reason, and it lead to terrible policy. "Libya is not in the Middle East, and Syria's violence is not because of a border dispute but unhappiness among their own people with the government regime"North africa and the middle east. Lybia is unstable because of tribal warefare. There no nationalism for 'libya' these were lines that were drawn by eroupeans and they in no way reflect the people living within those borders.The same is true of the middle, where countries with opposing differencse:religious, ethnic, race, sects are huddled together and called a nation. This is outragoues. The constant tension in the middle east stems from the articial countries made after WWI and WW2 that are having to deal with people who are not in any way intersted in living under the same rule. This political science. you can see a map of north africa, does it look funny to you, don't the lines seem convientaly drawn in rectangles and squares?The point is that if the powers that be were willing to listen to reason and compramise, we would have avoided the chaoes that resulted in 'nations' fighting interally. E.G. iraq has sunni,shia, and kurds: whoever stuck these three together had no idea what they were doing.Ron paul is not the only candiate who is for cutting the deficit, every candidate is. Infact the congress and the president already cut huge numbers of goverment jos, and the president has outlined a plan to cut 4 trillion in 12 years. your mistaken to think ron paul is the only person that seeks to cut the deficit and pay the debt."This not a ruler"Ron paul has been in power for 35 years, hes made one law. A congressman can do many things, Congressman charlie wilson(texas) was instrumental in the fall fo the soviet union. Please don't say only a president can make change. The fact is that Ron Paul is so stubborn hes unwilling to make any progress unless his 'libertarian' idelogy is completly statstified. This isn't falacious, you know its true. An exective must be willing to put the greater good ahead of his own idelogy, to make hard calls everyday. Ron paul is an acedmenic pushing an idea, not interested in the real running of the goverment."Had they listened to Ron Paul, maybe things would have been different"We didn't listen to ron paul and it got us into the richest most inovitve nation on earth. We should continue not to listen if thats your logic. Ron paul did nothing to grow our GDP, and equality? Ron paul thinks cival rights imposed by the federal goverment are a federal infrigment on states rights. Again, this isn't somedoy who did ANYTHING to further cival rights. We listend to martin luther king, we listened to upton sinclair, to harriet beecher stowie; these people made real and lasting change."hes an advocate, not a statesman, and certaitntly not an executive" Winston churchill got results despite "horde of congress people who believe the wrong messages"lincon got results despite this, congressmen charlie wilson did too. An advocate puts forward a message as an ideal, a statesman understands the art of the possible and the compramise for the greater good. Under a paul adminstation it seems very likely he would continue as he has in congress: lecturing policy while unwilling to come to terms with political realities. I think america should have an exective that understands whats real and whats acedemic. A person bent on his own idelogy that is unwilling to compramise does not belong in a goverment that survives by it; it is a quaility better suited to a despot."with regards to his plans for taxes"President Oabama wasn't trying to change goverment all thatmuch, for example he had no problem with thefederal reserve or taxes even, just minor things that he could push his fellow democrats to pass. Ron paul wants to drastically alter goverment, and he can only do that in congress, My logic still stand. Btw, ron paul has reapidly said executive orders were an abuse of power and he wouldn't use themFed i won't waste the characters reapiting it. the federal reserve is audited and those 21,00 loans were paid back with interest. the information is here http://www.federalreserve.gov...;your 'source' was a blog and was utterly falacious. 16trillion? please. "NOT A SINGLE TAXPAYER DOLLAR WAS SPENT"it wasn't. The 'money printing' wasn't lending, that was qe1 and qu2, nothing to do with the loans. Sir your making up things. btw, every loan was paid back. "federal reserve has created a 97% reduction in what a dollar" utterly false. In relation to gold, not inrelation to other world currencies or goods and services. falcious Currency was stable? your spewing nonsense. panics were widespread. 1.http://en.wikipedia.org...