Suicide because of bullying is more unacceptable than bullying itself.

"By saying that, you are just proving what society is doing. Focusing so little on suicide that it almost seems positive." Society is making BULLYING to be more unacceptable and I did not say anything about making suicide positive. If you were paying attention to some of my previous points my dear opponent, I mentioned that focusing to much on something does not give another a positive look. Your arguments are not that effective since giving more attention to BULLYING, we don't give suicide a positive look. For the victim's perspective, suicide is the solution. They think that it is the"good" solution but they also know that it is NOT the "right" solution. We all know the difference between GOOD and RIGHT. And we all come to think between the WRONG and RIGHT solution. When there is a problem, we tend to think for a solution, and of course we BRAINSTORM for POSSIBLE solutions, if you were able to think of one, does it mean to be CORRECT immediately? We are being PUSHED to think that it is CORRECT because of our situation (for our topic's case, because of BULLYING) which just proves how unacceptable that situation might be. To further support my stand, DEPRESSION is caused by BULLYING right? Research proves depression can mean just being in low spirits. It doesn't stop you leading your normal life, but makes everything harder to do and seem less worthwhile. At its most severe, major depression can be life-threatening (http://www.mind.org.uk...). It also proves that the mind cannot focus much and think well during depression wherein the solutions the victim can think might be the wrong remedy, that once again proves the dangers of BULLYING. " Society is saying 'if you kill yourself, you'll be free'. That is why suicide is more unacceptable than bullying." NO, BULLYING is more unacceptable because it MAKES society say that if one kills himself he will be free. Which is not a benefit. BULLYING makes our world a terrible place and makes the people think terrible, that is unacceptable right? But it does not give the edge to be more unacceptable than bullying itself, and I was able to mention WHY from my previous arguments in the past rounds. People blame drug-abusers for taking drugs, but shouldn't we focus AGAIN on blaming the cause? Blaming depression which pushed them to do so, take note, PUSHED them, which they will not actually do if they were not forced in the first place. In the 3rd round you said that, " Besides, people today focuses on curing the disease itself anyway. If someone had cancer, you would remove the tumor causing it instead of constantly giving that person pain killers for the pain, right? " HOW DO WE GET TO CURE THE DISEASE without CURING IT'S CAUSES? If you analogized the tumor to BULLYING, the tumor caused the disease (suicide) that's why we are getting rid of it. And you were agreeing on my side. "Victims of a murderer do not have a choice but people who suicide do. That is why suicide should take priority. The show people that thereisa choice.", of course victims of murder have a choice but whatever their choice may be it is because of their own situation, to fight back? To call the cops? To give up? Aren't these choices BECAUSE they are in that situation? I agree there is a choice, but the point I am trying to make is we won't choose that choice if it is not because of how TERRIBLE and more UNACCEPTABLE our situation is. "I have. The reward they get is: people noticing them, celebrities talking about them, people calling them pretty or saying they wish they were their friend and the opportunity to make the bullies feel bad.", Are you serious my dear opponent?! In the first place, people don't commit suicide to have THOSE rewards. If someone killed herself because of BULLYING it is because she doesn't want people to NOTICE her but to ESCAPE her misery. And that is not a reward, that is PITY, is PITY a reward? No! If bullying made bullies feed bad, why isn't it stopping even though cases of SUICIDE are enormous? " Of course many people report incidents of bullying but hardly anyone reports incidents of suicide. " EXACTLY, because BULLYING is more unacceptable. Of course we can tell our children how bad suicide is but we should also tell them how WORSE bullying is. That if we told them that bullying causes these and those and told them a bully's perspective, of course they'll avoid bullying. All we can do is just avoid the cause of them being a bully and of them being bullied. How? Of course ethics, morals, guidance and more. In your 5th paragraph, you are agreeing that BULLYING is more unacceptable than SUICIDE. How? You said the "easier to change" is suicide, am I right? Which proves how hard BULLYING is and how more unacceptable it is. You mentioned that bullying's improvement is slow which agrees to my point. That's the risk of SUGGESTING solutions, it's a slippery slope situation. And how effective are those solutions, how effective can they be to drop the cases of suicide dramatically? In our world today, in our society and the way it treats BULLYING, I doubt. Bullying encourages others to bully someone or other people, which then increases suicide. "If he can bully that girl, it means I can bully that boy too". That proves bullying is indeed more unacceptable. Celebrities talking about you is not POSITIVE. It is even worse because they negatively talk about how MISERABLE the victim's life was because of bullying, is that positive? I don't think so. "That is exactly what I'm arguing. Bullying is NOT the cause of suicide." BULLYING is the cause of suicide. That is a fact and you can't question that. SO, to relate to our topic, what caused suicide then if not bullying? Choice? Then what led them to that choice? Of course it's BULLYING. "Also, you shot yourself in the foot with "what is that thing that gave them the idea of committing suicide?" because your first sentence was "Bullies don't plant the thought..." What I meant to the first question was BULLYING which gave them the idea. BULLIES do not plant the thought. The doer does not plant the thought but the the action, that is if you were paying attention to my arguments. "which I believe they do but my point is suicide-because-you-don't-have-happiness is unacceptable", you should have changed the debate title then. " come up with a plan yourself. Isn't that what we do in debating?" EXACTLY, we plan BECAUSE we want to win, we wan't to prove something right or wrong. That's exactly why our choices are effects." I chose to eat cause I'm hungry. I chose to debate cause I want to prove something, I chose suicide cause of bullying which pushes me." you said " If they can persuade people to stop bullying, they must be able to stop suicides.", EXACTLY, persuade to stop bullying because it is more unacceptable than suicide. To wrap up, bullying does not affect ONE person in general. It affects the bullies and the witnesses around them. BULLYING affects more than suicide. The fear it gives to the victims and to the witnesses, the negative confidence it gives to the bullies and to other superiors, the depression it causes that disconnects FAMILY and distracts education and society and the painful reality it proves about our world. There's nothing RIGHT about being WEAK but why is that it is very hard to fight against bullying? Why are others STRUGGLING to fight back, while others GIVE UP? Don't you think it is because of how SEVERE BULLYING IS? If one of my friends killed himself, of course I would be disappointed to the same reason of yours but I would be MORE disappointed to why BULLYING EXISTS. It always breaks my heart to think that EVEN BULLIES DID NOT MEAN TO HURT OTHERS BUT THEY STILL DO. Why? It goes back to the bully's ENVIRONMENT. BULLYING EXISTS, that's the PAINFUL "FACT", and we can't stop it. If we can stop SUICIDE not BULLYING, doesn't that show how more unacceptable BULLYING is?