(Pro) Goku Vs (Con) The Hulk

I find my opponent's disregard of the source material disturbing. It's our only proof.1. Abilities:Again, Goku's far too weak to harm "Green Scar" Hulk, so the NUMBER of his abilities does not matter. Hulk can assume the "Green Scar" form ANYTIME, in spite of Banner:"He momentarily reappeared in battle with the Hulk's son Skaar,[...] proven even strong enough to take down the Red Hulk without much of a fight" [1]So, no matter how hard my opponent wishes this form not to appear - it would.2. Speed:A fly is faster than me, and can circle me for hours. That does not mean I am in ANY way "beaten" by it.Hulk will do what everybody would do with a fly: clap.http://static.comicvine.com...Ghost Rider, "one of the most powerful entities within the mortal and immortal realms" [2], who can only be destroyed by God himself [3], is tossed around like nothing by Hulk's thunderclap.It's enough to stop Goku for a moment, which would be enough for Hulk to grapple him. He can catch Spider-Man (see below).Goku's eardrums are still susceptible to sound. As long as he can hear, it will do this: "Traumatic brain injury can also be caused by exposure to blast ..., even if there is no direct contact ... Explosions cause a wave of changed atmospheric pressure" [4]"Instant transmission": Goku must put his fingers to his forehead in silent preparation. [5] Hulk can punch faster:http://i388.photobucket.com... Goku can only go where he's been before. I myself made this common mistake, but I learned.3) Endurance:Goku can keep his Saiyan 3 level only for MINUTES [6] (RESEARCH!). His weakness is his comparative lack of stamina. We often see him panting. He collapsed after his fight with Beerus. [7] Hulk is the epitome of endurance, his body will always reform to its original state: "In a notable episode, Maestro even molecularly rebuilt his body after being atomized." [1]Maestro is a future version of the Hulk, and this feat is INHERENT since an atomized body has no will.4) "The hulk has no training background at all..."Wrong: "He has had training in combat arms, including broadswords, spears, and battle shields, and is a capable leader and strategist. ... There were several instances where the Hulk and Banner worked together strategically, such as acting to disable Dr Strange." [1]Currently, Hulk is serving as an Agent of S.H.I.E.L.D., the world's leading secret agency. [1]Hulk's vastly more experienced."going as far as to tell Gohan about SSJ3 being a detriment ... better to fight in normal SS3"This never happened. If Super Saiyan 3 is a detriment, how is it a solution to fight in Super Saiyan 3? SSJ is the JAPANESE and GERMAN equivalent of SS, the Saiyans are correctly called "Saiyajin" - meaning "star dweller".What is an "elongated fighting style"?5) ScenariosMy opponent's source [6] makes no sense. Only ONE person in the comments supports this. And even if it were so: argumentum ad populum - it goes against the evidence I have found.Source [7] offered by my opponent is totally unrelated, about Red Hulk."Superman beats Hulk" is irrelevant without objective comparison of their powers. Beerus can POSSIBLY destroy one solar system, Galactus destroyed three. That's a comparison.What does FAN ART have to do with this debate? Superman would never decapitate someone. My opponent has no respect for the characters we're discussing (see below).A) Piercing HulkNo matter how hard the object is hit: a hole is a hole. Hulk can regrow tissue real fast, this would slow him down for seconds at best:http://static.comicvine.com...http://static.comicvine.com...http://static.comicvine.com...Then, Goku would be powerless and beaten. My opponent has just offered a scenario in favour of the Hulk.Another problem: Goku would never kill a being unless it is really evil. Even Frieza was offered a chance to redeem himself before Goku finally killed him [8].Hulk is - as I stated above - not evil. Goku will not kill him. This debate is allegedly about the CHARACTERS Goku and Hulk. Neither has ever purposely killed an innocent or fellow hero. My opponent apparently thinks he can turn this into a win for himself by redefining the characters. But the resolution is not "Would a being with powers like Goku defeat a being with powers like Hulk?", it's about the two beloved characters generations of readers and fans have grown to love.Re-writing them to murderous beasts is applying "semantics" in a severe case in my book: taking the names and powers only and claiming those to be the same persons. Goku is explicitly known for his ability to befriend his enemies. [7]I consider this a full forfeiture by my opponent.B) The Spirit bombsGoku can NOT live in space without a space suit. A spacesuit would melt from Super Saiyan, as this form is surrounded by an energy aura consisting of yellow flames that can't dissipate like on a planet. The whole strategy fails.The Universal Spirit bomb can't be formed without outside help: "However, thanks to the help of King Kai, along with the other Kais, Goku is able to ask every person in the universe to donate their energy to the Spirit Bomb, thus creating the Universal Spirit Bomb." [10]Full forfeiture.If Goku destroys the planet without a Spirit Bomb, he would not have "beaten" Hulk per se. Hulk has leapt into outer space, shattering objects twice the size of planet Earth:http://static.comicvine.com...Also: Hulk has been dropped in space before. And his body is known to adapt to hostile environments, INCLUDING THE VACUUM OF SPACE: http://static.comicvine.com...Hulk will thus not fall unconscious, will not revert to Banner, and Goku can only hope that Hulk doesn't grab him. Hulk will find his way home. He will eventually find Goku and resume the battle.In the Dragonball universe, dead people go to an alternate dimension, the "Other World" [11], where Goku can teleport to and from [5].Hulk has been shown to shatter the barriers between dimensions: "Breaking up the space-time continuum with a powerful blow." [1] more than once.So even by killing Hulk, Goku won't BEAT the Hulk, who'll keep coming.C) Wishful thinking:My opponent has chosen the Dragon Porunga of Namek [12]. This is the ONLY dragon to grant THREE wishes.Porunga only accepts Namekian language, Goku can't make his wish. A translator would be outside help, meaning forfeiture.Now, say Goku summons Shenron, the Earth Dragon, and drops one wish, because Shenron grants only TWO."All the energy in the universe" No. The Ultimate Spirit bomb only gathers a fraction of the power of the universe, a little bit from each living PERSON. [10] Hardly enough to stop Hulk's infinite energy.Wish 1: No Dragon can grant this:"Your wish cannot be granted because the guardian of Earth created me. I cannot grant a wish that exceed's his power." [13]Porunga, who's stronger than Shenron, was created by Moori ( http://dragonball.wikia.com... ), whose official power level is 5000. Dende was just a kid when he made Shenron. Even during the first DBZ saga, Goku surpassed this famously: "It's over 9000!"So, this little bit of energy can be GENERATED.The wish could only grant Goku the same help that the Kais gave him: asking for a DONATION of energy out of free will. That's outside help by EVERYBODY. Full forfeit.Wish 2: Dende's Shenron can do this due to Dende being a healer [14].Doesn't matter, Goku's outmatched by Hulk's power infinite times. He still won't hurt Hulk. Goku would omit THIS wish. Wish 3: The Universal Spirit Bomb can NOT destroy the universe. It has been fired off in one direction and did NOT destroy half of the universe [10]: no way to wish the universe back.Wishing Hulk out of existence is against the rules of the Dragonballs [15][16].There's no way around this, because Shenron is wise, and it's up to him to grant wishes: "he ... chooses to interpret them how he knows the wisher actually wants, as a courtesy ... Credence is lent to this [...] where Shenron was asked to move all the dead people back to the Other World. He claimed that he was perfectly capable of granting the wish precisely as it was uttered, but he knew what consequences the Z Fighters were expecting [...] and warned them of the futility of the wish."[15]While Goku discusses this with Shenron, Hulk gives him the beating of a lifetime.I have shown how the Hulk can defeat Goku in numerous ways. Every strategy my opponent has proposed leads to Goku's defeat, and no matter what my opponent wants to bring up as final arguments - which I find unfair as he is entitled to new arguments that will go undisputed, thus negating his idea of a fair debate - and his contentions: Hulk can not be stopped.Thanks all, take care. [1]: http://marvel.wikia.com...[2]: http://en.wikipedia.org...[3]: http://ghostrider.omegacen.com...[4]: http://www.drugs.com...[5]: http://dragonball.wikia.com...[6]: http://dragonball.wikia.com...[7]: http://dragonball.wikia.com...[8]: http://dragonball.wikia.com...[9]: obsolete[10]: http://dragonball.wikia.com...[11]: http://dragonball.wikia.com...[12]: http://dragonball.wikia.com...[13]: http://www.imdb.com...[14]: http://www.absoluteanime.com...[15]: http://dragonball.wikia.com...[16]: http://www.animemegaverse.com...