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Before you tell me Death battle isn't a reliable source it not Death Battle is a extremely inaccurate show masquerading as a logical show. They have flawed methodology for determining the winners of fights and therefore the results cannot be accurate regardless of who should actually win. yes superman is not one of them goku can transform superman can not he is often recanted because of poor writing If Superman can fly into the sun, and gain energy from it, why can't he withstand a nuclear blast. i dont know i did not wright superman in death battle superman strength was from all star superman a non canon superman story (Dr. Leo Quintum and his team from P.R.O.J.E.C.T. are exploring the Sun when they are sabotaged by a Lex Luthor clone. Superman saves the day, but acquires the ability to project his bio-electric aura. Lex Luthor has orchestrated this to overwhelm Superman's cells with massive amounts of solar radiation. Quintum determines that Superman's new power is also killing him, and he has one year left to live. Lex Luthor is arrested, thanks to a Daily Planet article by Clark Kent. Superman decides to keep his impending death secret from the public.) http://en.wikipedia.org... this superman was stronger but also dieing even an a point in the story to where he could not use his powers this was misquoted Also Superman has never moved the earth Superman has never moved a planet or a moon without aid. He has failed to move moons with the same mass or even lower by himself. - Failed to stop a moon even with several Kryptonians helping him. http://img832.imageshack.us... http://img442.imageshack.us... http://img812.imageshack.us... -Stuggling to pull the moon even with the aid of Wonder Woman, Green Lantern and a whole Team of magic users. http://imageshack.us... http://imageshack.us... http://imageshack.us... After being powered by Strange Visitor and a sundip he struggled moving Warworld which is only the size of Pluto (smaller than Earths moon). Brainiac even states Kal normally wouldn't have the strength to move that. http://imageshack.us... http://imageshack.us... http://imageshack.us... http://imageshack.us... The most popular scan which looks like it is depicted as Superman moving 1/3 of the Earth. This however is completely out of context. Superman, Wonder Woman, and Martian Manhunter failed to move the Earth it was actually Kyle who moved it with help. Taken from: JLA 75 http://imageshack.us... http://imageshack.us... death battle said superman could move the earth with out help was this a error? superman has been anywhere to a weaker, more human like hero, as well as an unstoppable force of good I mist be honest, in some versions Superman would be destroyed versons you even say most versons of superman would lose think think is superboy the same as superman? i think not http://4.bp.blogspot.com... DEATH BATTLE RELIED ON PLATITUDES RATHER THAN ACTUAL NUMBERS FOR ITS CONCLUSION. BUT according to Ben that does not really matter what matters was the logic behind the outcome. Death Battle's Logic: https://youtu.be... "The difference is at the core of their character, Goku has never been invincible, he has very clear limits and must overcome those limits to solve the problems at hand. That"s the whole point"After accepting his alien side Superman has reached his full potential which under the power of the yellow sun is essentially limitless. In short Superman is as Strong as he needs to be. So what happens when you pit a man able to break any limit against a man who has no limits in the first place? Well only one has limits to give it all. Death Battle was supposed to analyze Goku versus Superman, not their respective plot devices. Regardless, the determinative factor for Superman's victory was that when Goku overcomes his obstacles he does so with difficulty, whereas Superman can do so with ease : 3 things are wrong with this rationale: 1. First, "Goku must overcome those limits to solve the problems at hand. That's the whole point" That is only partially true. Also at Goku's core is that he is a man with limitless potential one whose whole character is built on the notion that hard work and determination will always overcome any obstacle. That is really the whole point. Ben even says Goku "can break any limit" and did not consider what that actually means. To have limitless potential means if Superman has reached his full potential then Goku could still reach a higher level, becuase Goku's potential is limitless. Further at the heart of Goku is his ability to overcome natural talent. Entrisic to him is the idea that hard work overcomes entitlement. That's kind of the point of his Eastern Cultural herritage and why Vegeta became outclassed. Goku defeated General Tao, King Piccolo, Piccolo, Vegeta, the Ginyu Special Corps, Freiza, etc. ones with superior birth right power, becuase Goku's powers were earned not given. 2. Second at his core "Superman...is essentially limitless" That is also somewhat of a fallacy. Superman has the potential to accomplish limitless feats if he is in the presence of the yellow sun and given enough time because he is not instantly limitless. Otherwise Superman would never be worn down in a battle, need to sundip, etcR03; He would essentially already be Superman Prime. even tho superman prime took and i quote one humdred centurys to become superman prime goku could still blow up the sun and kill superman goku>sun In some ways his body actually limits him; such as being peaked at small planet shattering punches because he cannot continue to exert energy upon full arm extension (like Goku with ki). Unlike accelerating to infinity where he can keep thrusting his whole body forward, his arm is attached at his shoulder so that is the limit of the force he can exert without moving the rest of his body. http://4.bp.blogspot.com... 3. Third, the numbers do matter because not only do they yield a diffierent result when analyzed correctly, but also by discounting what obstacles Superman overcomes and how Goku's abilities progressed Death Battle cheapens the characters and degrades their uniqueness. SO if we rely on platitudes then the version of Goku that Death Battle used (not soleley Manga canon) still wins even if we only looked at the core of each of these characters "So what happens when you have a man capable of limitless feats and one who has limitless potential, well only one of them can access their potential in an instant and go even further beyond. The winner is Goku" ~OR~ "So what happens when you have a man who has reached his full potential and one whose potential is limitless. Well only one of them can go even further beyond. The winner is Goku." goku beomes a god http://24.media.tumblr.com... The stats from death battle are based off of real comic books, and the stats from a real show. If superman was at his full potential (like at the end of Death battle) even at his full potential, Goku's strength, speed, and durability are no where near Supermans. Also, just because Goku did blow up a galaxy, doesn't mean superman can't do the same thing in some version. no thay were not also if you go into what if a version superman could blow up a galaxy there is not a superman that can do that right now if so it would be superman prime http://static.comicvine.com... lets look at gokus stats Goku's stats. Strength(no Ki): 160,000 tons Durability: 34.7 sextillion megatons Speed: about 2.3 times the speed of light Strength So they should have multiplied Goku's base power by 400 then used the saiyen multipliers They multiplied his stats by 586 (186 higher than 400) before using the saiyen multipliers. 586 came from the greatest amount of gravity Goku has ever trained under, 586 times. Durability and Strength/Damage output 657 quadrillion megatons only takes 53 quadrillion megatons to make earth goes KABOOM. if that was Goku's output back in the saiyen Saga, back then, Goku could go 11,000 km/hr (or 3.06 km/s). 20,037.5/3.06=6548 times greater so, 657*6548 to get Goku's base by Namek (because that is totally his DBZ base before any thing boosts him....)=4302169 quadrillion megatons*586*4000=1e28 megatons.....or about 10 octillion megatons. this make sence right? http://nerosmoke.blogspot.com... well i am done you turn con http://www.youtube.com...