The best course for libertarianism

"1) Goal of Libertarian Activism: To promote a stable environment for individual freedom and property rights" -Agreed. "A) Voters are Rationally Ignorant" – Sieben. A subjective statement that is wholly irrelevant to the debate. Because they may be irrational and ignorant by your perspective that doesn't mean they cannot be persuaded and nurtured toward a desired end. Furthermore by infiltrating an existing party with those who are skilled in the art of persuasion and politics, their malleability and appeal to fears, doubts, and insecurities can prove to be a powerful tool in the creation of a society that is headed toward libertarianism. My option of using an existing party, namely the republican party as a vessel for the goal of libertarian activism is proven by other parties being infiltrated and controlled. Examples of transformed parties by infiltration: Democratic party and the KKK. The Klu Klux Klan is mostly born from the democratic party, but it's influence was at it's peak during the early 1900's. During this time in US history the Klan controlled much of the democratic party. Their control was at a grass roots level at first and then it permeated the party from local to state to federal. They influenced public policy toward their agenda. "Our nation's top historians reveal that the Democratic Party gave us the Ku Klux Klan, Black Codes, Jim Crow Laws and other repressive legislation" [1][2] The Democratic party further changed post WWII. During the 50's 60's and 70's the radical leftists chose the democratic party for it's home. They understood the futility of the communist party of the US and chose their leaders to influence those in the democrat party. Part of the Communist Party of America under the leadership of Charles Ruthenberg: the CPUSA pursued a policy of representing the Democratic Party as the lesser of two evils" [3] Gus Hall remained the leader of the CPUSA as an admitted Stalinist operative [4], however due to intra party squabbles and an acknowledgement of the futility of any accomplishment they committed themselves to changing the democratic party. The republican party also underwent some massive changes in ideological as it was founded by anti-slavery activists, but eventually became a party for industrialists who used the power for opposing trusts, and tariffs.[5] More recently the religious right has made an impact on the direction of the republican party. "Some 15% of the electorate in the United States tell pollsters they align themselves with the Christian right, which serves as an important voting bloc within the U.S. Republican Party." [6] It is clear that influence and control of a party is quite possible, and effective in changing the public policy of the US. "Whether we can persuade large numbers of people to become libertarians is unclear. My gut is that it will be nearly impossible because voters have no incentive to choose one of the most difficult ideologies to defend." – Sieben's argument. You honestly think that there is no broad base appeal toward "individual freedom and property rights"? In a climate where both are slipping away, these are fairly sacred values particularly to Americans. You really think that this is a difficult sell? Or do we just have poor salesmen? The truth is there have only been a very small number of persuasive speakers that could move more than a classroom full of acolytes. The usual proponent of libertarianism is a tediously academic type, incapable of touching the inner workings of the common man. It's tragic that such principles which ordinarily would stir the hearts of men lie dormant "without a soul"[7] "Market based activism" – Sieben I'm unsure of your purpose with this statement. Seasteading, a portmanteau of sea and homesteading, is the concept of creating permanent dwellings at sea, called seasteads, outside the territories claimed by the governments of any standing nation. [8] My opponent honestly believes this is a more viable alternative for the creation of a libertarian community. Logistically the investment would be massive. The primary requirements would be a stable platform 200 miles away from land. Further requirements would be freshwater and food production to sustain the community. Due to the political ideals of the community it would need to be completely independent from "What about cost? Alexia Aubault estimates that a typical seasteading structure might cost $100m for 400,000 sq ft of space. This works out to a price of over $250 per sq ft" Now I can imagine that some day the engineering and investment obstacles might be overcome, but not for a long time. Wayne Gramlich, a software engineer who co-founded the Seasteading Institute admits that this is a venture in the far off future. G ramlich is the first to admit that the speed of development in seasteading will probably be a lot slower. "We are constrained by basic physics—our structures have to have a certain strength and mass, and concrete and steel cost money," he says.[9] There are other external threats like pirates and hurricanes and a properly diverse society that will provide all people for all functions necessary in a society.[10] Seasteading, specifically in your example of the used cruise ship: In this you are not creating a libertarian society or even attempting to work toward the goal of: "To promote a stable environment for individual freedom and property rights", but rather are desperately seeking to find a loophole in the existing regulatory and tax system that exists. There is no libertarian society in this cruise ship, but rather a floating corporate entity that would enjoy complete freedom. Although an interesting notion, it is devoid of the goal of libertarianism in the context of a society. Although I generally applaud innovation, and wouldn't discourage such ventures, it is clear that such measures would be far less effective in reaching the goals of libertarianism than my proposed method. http://realdemocrathistory.wordpress.com... http://en.wikipedia.org... http://www.wsws.org... http://en.wikipedia.org... http://www.allacademic.com... http://en.wikipedia.org... http://www.quebecoislibre.org... http://en.wikipedia.org... http://www.alternet.org...