The LDS church has fundamental flaws that prevent it from being the true church.

Simple enough. I'm afraid that the majority of your first paragraph is null since I'm an atheist. However, there is absolutely no evidence that Lamanites and Nephites lived in Central America at any time. The only evidence is the Book of Mormon, and that's it. If the Lamanites and Nephites lived in such amazingly large numbers as described in the Book of Mormon, then...there'd be at least ONE piece of evidence to suggest it. If they had gigantic temples and works of wonder as described in the Book of Mormon, there'd be at least ONE piece of evidence to suggest it. However, there is not. In response to you saying that there were in fact cities, civilizations, and wars in that period of time, keep in mind that those are cities and civilizations with much smaller numbers, and with completely different cultures. If some of the amazing things that happen in the Book of Mormon were actually true, don't you believe that there'd be something in the culture or stories or ANYTHING in Mayan and other actual Central American culture describing these events? However, there is not. I might also point out that the probability of Nephi (I think, my Book of Mormon isn't exactly strong) sailing across the Pacific is close to nothing, and the probability of Jesus Christ sailing across the Pacific is to preach the gospel is even less so. I'm afraid it is true, though. In fact, I have two distant relatives that I'd like to talk about. Both are (or were) steadfast Mormon members. One of them murdered a man, and went to prison for life. He was not excommunicated for killing another person. The other was one of these "bigots", who simply voiced his opinion on the faults in the church, and was hastily excommunicated. I'd like to clarify that my argument is not getting information from people who were excommunicated by the church, just simply pointing out the fact that the church tends not to as nice or as wonderful as they tend to be, especially when people bring out the fundamental flaws in the church. I'm sorry that it makes you laugh, however, since that helps my point that the church is not only oblivious to the real world, but also takes great comfort in the false fact that the church has not changed. I'm afraid that this IS the truth. (About the mission president thing, you don't need to clarify LDS things since I once was a member of the church, and my parents are still strong.) First of all, you completely dodged my getting married and sealed in the temple with your family thing. My brother and sister WILL always be frowned upon BECAUSE they married non-Mormon people. This is...the most disgusting thing about the church: That people think it a sin to marry someone who is not a member and not try and convert them. Back when I was a Christian, I believed that love was one of the greatest gifts that God gave humanity. I couldn't stand to hear someone tell me that some love was incited by the DEVIL. As for your example of your Mission President, (out of curiosity, where did you serve your mission?) I'd like to say at least that...he may have wanted to serve a mission when he had the chance, he just couldn't do that AND pursue sports as well. Or, if not, he felt guilty about it (most likely BECAUSE of people in the church), about not going, so he got to be a mission president later. Nonetheless, I'm referring to people who don't want to serve a mission, have no plans of ever doing so in their life, and who feel no guilt because of it (which, again, is hard to do, since the church incites guilt on this particular subject). The weakest, yet still strong. I'd like to clarify that the man who was taken into custody confessed his actions, and the bishop said to the congregation that he had not done anything, that he was not guilty...when the man DID do it. Not only was this disgusting, but even more disgusting when I saw that the majority of the congregation...agreed with him. Except for a few choice people, of course. I believe your argument on this is ALSO null, since I don't believe in God. I'd also like to bring up the topic of patriarchal blessings. I was also disgusting when I heard what these actually are. A blessing that tells you what will happen to you if you stay strong in the church? Although I vowed to never get one, I assume that things are so general that...they would most definitely happen. Seriously, though. Fortune telling in the church? That's essentially what a patriarchal blessing is. I'm extremely glad I got to debate a Mormon and not some bumbling idiot. Thanks.