Real atheists have systematic faith

------------------------------------ I've pointed out the following: 1) Atheism is a LACK of BELIEF (in gods) because there is no clear and compelling evidence. 2) It is not possible to have full confidence in a system. We're predisposed to SKEPTICISM. 3) Individual beliefs among atheists and theists cannot be measured, quantified, or compared. 4) Atheists reject the afterlife because there is no reason to believe an afterlife exists. ------------------------------------ Your starting arguments: 1) "Real atheists have systematic faith" 2) "A convinced and thoughtful atheist may have a level of of faith that matches with that of Christians" Round #2: 1) Suggested scenario from an atheists point of view, and, "In the end: what atheists in the latest centuries have believed, have required tremendous faith... Faith in chaos becoming harmony... Faith in God not being part of this." Round #3: 1) (Faith = Belief) "That can't be more right when atheist try to explain the paleogenesis of the universe before the Big Bang, therefore trusting something that can't be proved." 2) Bonus argument: atheist have faith on the premise that somehow they will die and nothing will happen after. Round 4: 1) "trusting something is not the same as "tremendous faith" (of course not, because you'd need to type "tremendously" at the beginning of your phrase)." Round 5: 1) "See, Systematic: presented or formulated as a coherent body of ideas or principles ; methodical in procedure or plan . Retrieved from Merriam-Webster Dictionary. " In what system have you seen these items? Hypotheses, Theories, Questioning, Consensus. Are those somehow related to a not proved and accepted explanation like the Big Bang? 2) "Kudos! Your atheist faith is indeed, systematic. The weak point of religious faith is not part of your atheist faith: you question your faith which is a luxury Christian believers cannot afford because one of their principles is not to question." 3) "I have proved that atheist believe. I am afraid, the comparison of both, atheist and religious faith is subjective, but still a matter of social sciences. Both faiths enhance the understanding of reality, both satisfy our human need for truth, both lack concrete proofs." ------------------------------------ My comments: 1) Faith and the word "belief" may appear equal, but you are wrong. Here is Wikipedia's definition of faith vs belief. "Faith is defined as confidence or trust in a person, thing, deity, view, or in the doctrines or teachings of a religion, as well as confidence based on some degree of warrant. It can also be belief that is not based on proof." (Source: Wikipedia) 2) Thus the word "belief" and faith are not the same. They are similar to how a square and rectangular have four sides but are unequal. A square can be a rectangle but a rectangle cannot be a square. Likewise, faith is a belief, but a "belief" is not a faith. Faith is belief without proof or evidence, whereas the academic beliefs you described require evidence. Thus this is their diverging point. 3) "Belief" and "Faith" in the context of this discussion are not the same. They are different, thus your attempt to win this debate by stating that "faith" is belief is wrong. 4) You are wrong about Christians having the same "level" of faith as Theists. Here are some examples why: -- Theists either do not believe in the Big Bang, or explain that God created the Big Bang, because God exists outside of time and space and created the Universe that way. There is no evidence to support this claim. Theists take such claims at face value. That is faith. Belief without evidence. -- There is no case study or demonstration shown that there is a united consensus among Atheists everywhere that the Big Bang is true. Some may belief, some may not, some may not even care. So you are wrong to say this belief is systemic. You are also wrong to ASSUME belief in the Big Bang is a natural outcome of having no reason to believe in God. It just doesn't make sense. I have no reason to believe in God, therefore I must believe the theory of the Big Bang is true?? Wat. -- The Big Bang is a belief supported by evidence, whereas "faith" is a belief supported without evidence. So it doesn't make sense when you talk about our atheist "faiths" or our "faith" in Evolution or our "faith" in the Big Bang. -- Belief in God is not required to Disbelief in God, so you are wrong about that too. -- You haven't demonstrated any numbers or case studies comparing groups of atheists to groups of Christians, so your argument is just a speculated opinion based on "faith" rather than evidence. -- My argument has been to prove that your argument is ridiculous and unsubstantiated on all fronts. -- You don't make any clear distinction between Christian faith and evidence-based academic beliefs in the observable world. Your argument is a case study of you living in a fantasy world where belief without evidence is acceptable. It's not. -- You have not proved anything, because all of your proofs have been speculated personal opinions not backed by any evidence. -- You have tried to win this argument on a technicality. A ridiculous technicality.