Super Mario Galaxy is more similar to Super Mario Sunshine than Super Mario 64.

"1. Hovering and rocketing are not even close to the great and amazing wonders of flying. You can't even compare them. Flying involves almost complete control, and the ability to turn much more gracefully than hovering." In 64, Mario can't gain height through flying. In Sunshine and Galaxy, he can. "2. I will add the following to my list: Grand Goombas, Amps, Scuttle Bugs, and FireBars. You see, there are a lot more similar enemies between 64 and Galaxy." Grand Goombas are Goombas. Firebars aren't in 64, according to the Wiki article. "3. In both 64 and Galaxy, Toadsworth, Piantas, and Nokis are not characters. Your argument is largely irrelevant to the contention, but on a different, the ends of both Galaxy and 64 occur outside of Peach's castle." Well, of course there are going to be characters that only appear in one game. In fact, Galaxy and Sunshine actually had a diversity of characters, unlike 64, which had Mario, Peach, Bowser, Toads, and Red Bo-bombs. That's it. My contentions were about what occurred directly after the fight. In both Galaxy and Sunshine, Bowser actually appears in the ending sequence after being defeated, along with Bowser Jr. and a bunch of partying characters. 64 had a much more subtle ending. "Wrong. In Galaxy, Mario starts the action outside of Peach's castle, the same place as in 64." That was hardly action. When the plot really starts, Galaxy and Sunshine are vastly similar. "6. So, 64 has a 'speaking amount score' of, let's say, 1. Let's say that Galaxy's is about 10, and Sunshine's is about 100. How does this make Galaxy more similar to Sunshine? It doesn't." Now you're making up numbers. "8. Wrong. That video is using massive glitches. That is not the true 'game.' Also, there is one required star in 64 (Board Bowser's Sub.) Sunshine does not actively require 50. In order to get those seven, the minimum that you could have is 50. That is not a restriction. If you hacked to just get those seven, it would try to let you in to face Bowser." Massive glitches? It only used one. Galaxy and Sunshine lack such a glitch. It is still the "game." Now you introduce hacking, after complaining about glitches. "9. You used this argument as a different contention. You can't use it here." This isn't just about improved graphics. It's about how the Power Stars now look more like Shines than original Power Stars. "10. You used that argument as a different contention. You can't use it here." No. We're talking about Mario's appearance. "11. You used that argument in a different contention...." Bees are bees. "13. Sorry, I was just referring to the Boos that I remembered. In Galaxy, light was always easy to reach near a Boo. In Sunshine, a Yoshi can be difficult to find." So? They could still be defeatable by each other's weaknesses. 64 offers no such possibility. "14. Of the 4 beach-like galaxies mentioned, two are not beaches but places with water..." Sunshine had places that weren't beaches, but were basically just water. "1. But they all had coins, and I have no reason to believe you, which I don't. I don't remember what coins looked like." The 64 coin: http://www.mariowiki.com... The Sunshine coin: http://www.mariowiki.com... The Galaxy coin: http://www.cheatcc.com... "2. Note that in both 64 and Galaxy, there is no F.L.U.D.D." However, in Galaxy, you at least find a replacement (Luma) while 64 has no such assistant. "3. 64 and Galaxy both had superb graphics for their respective time periods. Sunshine... not so much." Keep your opinions to yourself. This is a debate for discussing facts. "4. But they all had Bullet Bills. That is a very, very minor point." However, it remains a point. "5. Shadow Mario =/= Cosmic Mario." http://www.mariowiki.com... "He appears as a starry clone of Mario, similar in appearance to Shadow Mario." "6. Exactly, they all had racing. That is a very, very minor point." My opponent claims that death is a minor point. "7..." My opponent concedes Contention 7, that Stars and Shines have set locations in Sunshine and Galaxy. "9. Yeah... great. Very minor point." He thinks that cleaning up is unimportant... "10. Also very minor. They do entirely different things." No, you kick the watermelons around in both games. Watermelons are not minor. They are among the larger fruits. http://farm4.static.flickr.com... "11. No it doesn't. You can get the Petey Piranha star one when you're supposed to get another one." Only once. "Unlike Super Mario 64 where the player could usually get most Power Stars no matter which mission was chosen, this game usually lets Mario obtain only the Shine Sprite the player select[sic] from the screen prior to the level." "Contention 16: Cannons You can shoot out of them in 64 and Galaxy, but they are not in Sunshine. Very important. Very similar." http://www.mariowiki.com... The cannon to Pinna Park will not be fixed until ten Shine Sprites are collected. "Contention 17: Ratings Galaxy and 64 both did a good deal better than Sunshine." So? That doesn't make the games similar. Does this make Ocarina of Time more similar to 64 than Sunshine? This is people's opinions about the greatness of the game. "Contention 18: Innovation 64 was among the first to introduce a great 3D game play, which really started the great 3D games. Galaxy was among the first to use such great gravity techniques in such a great way. Sunshine introduced... a water backpack. Not nearly as much impact." Again, this isn't really an in-game similarity. "Contention 19: Yoshi In Sunshine, there were many Yoshis, who played a key role. In 64, all one Yoshi did was give you 99 lives after you completed the game. In Galaxy, one Yoshi head appeared as a planet. There was a serious lack of 'Yoshiness' in most of 64 and Galaxy." A lack of something does not make games similar. Contention 12: Hit Drop In Sunshine and Galaxy, when Mario uses the Hit Drop, he leaves a trailing illusion of himself. http://www.mariowiki.com... Contention 13: Undergrunt Gunner http://www.mariowiki.com... "The Undergrunt Gunners appearances and attack patterns are similar to the Monty Moles from Super Mario Sunshine. Notably the cannons they use are similar to FLUDD's nozzle." Contention 14: Shadow In both Sunshine and Galaxy, you can see Mario's shadow whenever he is behind something. Contention 15: Ninjaness In 64, it is easy for Mario to get stars in ways that were completely unintended. This is not so in Galaxy and Sunshine. Contention 16: Toads Five Toads appear in Sunshine, that don't appear in 64, as they are different colors. These five Toads then appear as the supreme Toad Brigade in Galaxy, helping Mario on his journey. http://www.mariowiki.com... Contention 17: Rooms 64 requires constant opening and closing of doors to enter different rooms. Galaxy and Sunshine don't. Contention 18: Release Date Both Galaxy and Sunshine were released after the Wii and GameCube, respectively. 64 was released concurrently with the Nintendo 64. Contention 19: Damage Meter Enemies and obstacles have variable damage in 64. In Sunshine and Galaxy, everything does 1 damage, or is an instant kill. Contention 20: Air Meter 64 combines the air meter with the damage meter. Sunshine and Galaxy have a separate air meter. Contention 21: Camera The camera is not held by Lakitu in Sunshine and Galaxy.