a little socialism is good for a society

Thank you Debate. Org for making this platform possible and thank you to Pro for being involved in such a discourse that allows our views to collide and reason with one another. We must define our terms and agree on a set foundation to argue on. So I will lay out the terms and definitions and believe our foundation for the argument will lay in reason, Rationality, And logic. You can dispute the definitions as you feel, Although, I will be using dictionary definitions and Marxist definitions so they shouldn't combat with any socialists ideologies. Socialism: A social and economic policy in which the workers own the means of production. Marxists simply showcase this as a classless society, Where no hierarchies are formed that can pose inequality. https://www. Merriam-webster. Com/dictionary/socialism Government: A system that conducts the policy, Actions, And affairs of (a state, Organization, Or people). https://www. Merriam-webster. Com/dictionary/government Inalienable: Unable to be taken away from or given away by the possessor. https://www. Dictionary. Com/browse/inalienable It's interesting you say, "a bit of government intervention" and then outline areas of American government in which government is heavily, If not entirely, Involved. In Mussolini's discrimination of individual and state involvement he noted something that has forever made me think that he's team socialist, He just coined a new term to describe it as being strictly for his country and he wants to destroy anyone that goes against his ideology. He said, "The Fascist State organizes the nation, But leaves a sufficient margin of liberty to the individual; the latter is deprived of all useless and possibly harmful freedom, But retains what is essential; the deciding power in this question cannot be the individual, But the State alone". * He said, "the deciding power in this question cannot be the individual, But the State alone. ", Which is very much alike the discrimination of hierarchies. Government is basically a channel through which individuals make agreements and dictate them with force. Governments don't determine suggestions, They determine laws. Socialism is not exempt of this ideology as it pretends to be. Socialists also believe that the government should be the provider of essentials within individual liberty. The decider in this equation is the same across all forms of government. That is the government itself. If the government is Communist, The central communists determine the essentials (i. E. Means of production and complete oversight of the population), If it's Fascism determining the essentials (i. E. Nationalistic approach without opposition and empowering "individualism" by sharing a collective ideology), Socialism (shared communal approach to the working class that promotes collectivism as a bi-product of individual identity becoming "classless" and promising prosperity for every "individual"), Or even anarchy (which is without any government principle; putting itself into a paradoxical ideology where it can't exist as an ideology because any principle declares it no longer anarchy). America's founding fathers thought through these various ideologies (not Fascism or Marxism because theses terms had not been coined yet, But the ideologies were already brought into existence as early as philosophers like Plato and Machiavelli) and debated to find the best one. They set down the very fundamental principle's of which they envisioned the best prosperity would be ensured to the people. That's why the Constitution isn't meant to be interpreted because it isn't in a foreign language. It's very clear what their intentions were, And are, Within that document. It's very important that we learn that police, Military, And roads are not due to Socialism. The rights that every American has access to is not given to us by the government, They are purely protected by the government. The rights are inalienable. Some people think the rights are given to you by government or by God, But what about if there were no government? Your rights vanish? If someone doesn't believe in God? Their rights vanish? These don't fit the definition of inalienable. So, To allow the protection of these freedoms, The police exist for inner state involvement and the military exists for external national involvement. If you have the inalienable right to life; someone can't kill you or invade and take over the country, So we form police and military. For liberty; someone can't lock you up for a crime that wasn't committed, So we have judges and juries alike. For the pursuit of happiness; someone can't blockade your way into a prosperous life, So we have roads and buildings that are public and don't discriminate against any law abiding citizen. These are not examples of Socialism, They are very indifferent of that ideology in the sense that Socialism is not a protector of inalienable rights, But an enforcer of defined essentials. Which is where 'The Great Society' comes into play. This is when the most Socialistic movement came about in America, Probably not that far above the enactment of Social Security. In order to fully convince you that Socialism is bad in any form, It is important to discuss the reasons why it's so appealing in the first place. An old saying goes like this, "if you're young and you're not a liberal, You don't have a heart. If you're old and you're not a conservative, You don't have a brain. ". If you think that Socialism is cruel, You don't have a heart because it's all about helping the poor, The pitiful, And the helpless. In reality, Socialism doesn't help the poor, It only hurts the rich. It actually creates a society that focuses it's values on the one thing it's supposed to oppose, And that's money. Money shouldn't be the focus of values, It should be a bi-product. If you're passionate about something, You will innovate and discover. Galileo is a father of modern astronomy and he wasn't doing what he did out of spite of the Monarch established Church. If you live in envy, You won't be prosperous. What will you take when you prosper because of taking from someone else for so long that you are now the one who has to give? Even then, Do you feel you have enough "essentials"? If you don't earn anything given to you, Then why should you have it? Well the floor for Socialists is that they believe everyone should have the essentials given to them in order to be a happy, Contributing member of society. They believe that you should be provided food, Water, Health care, Housing, Education and a job at a minimum. That you should be given these "essentials", As rights. It sounds nice doesn't it? Well this is the basis for it's "utopia". Let's recall what government is defined as. It's basically the system in which people are determined to be conducted as a society. In America's Constitution, The involvement of the government is supposed to be limited to only ensure the previously outlined inalienable rights are available to all Americans. In Socialism, The very tenants at which the government can reason it's intervention, Are proportional to it's continuous development of war on hierarchies and the essentials it deems necessary for a prosperous life. This means that the government has authority to enforce your support of those who do not wish to participate in societal contributions. These expensive programs are the reason that America is no longer number one in education, No longer number one in exported goods, No longer number one as a national creditor and has become the most indebted country. ** The programs you mention are the root cause of our debt and will be the cause of the collapse of our fiat system. No amount of socialism is good for any society, No matter how good it looks on paper, It will drive any great society into turmoil. Back to you, Pro. *https://sourcebooks. Fordham. Edu/mod/mussolini-fascism. Asp **https://www. Graphicmaps. Com/countries-with-the-most-de