LM Classic Puck vs. Ragnar Rahl

:Not the same as the invulnerable property is not an attribute of themselves, unlike the Hive Mind. The invulnerability isn't an attribute of the hive, but an attribute of the city, conferred only when the hive becomes part of the city. If anyone has bureaucratic powers, I'm sure they could change the legal city limits :). " The tournament rules however stipulate that NY is indestructible - given that leaving NY violates another rule that would precede any discussion of what to do after the invulnerability was revoked. As the battle must remain in NY the ability invulnerable is static, and therefore unlimited (cannot be damaged - leaves no gray area for any partly aspect). " " 15) Teleporting out of NYC is prohibited." Am I missing a rule, or is all travel considered teleportation? " By that rhetoric we would assume all possibilities to be covered in a book, making them rather long dull, and potentially put editors out of a job. Since we know editors do exist, presumably for purposes other than spell checking, it's not possible to assume what content would/would not be included. " You really think Terry Goodkind would permit much editorship other than spell check? I know Ayn Rand wouldn't, and guess who Terry looks up to. Book 8 specifically describes how the primary reason the protagonists aren't being watched all the time is that there are so many minds to sort through and Jagang doesn't know which to start with-- it does not that he can't grab those minds without first being informed of them, which would be a simpler explanation if it were true. :Ha, ok, my reading was that the gift applied to all magic users, not particular sorts A wizard, in training wizards of the Second or Third order, has to "alter the way they were born", again in book 8, by essentially adding the gift. Yet for some reason this addition never makes anything other than a wizard. :That still doesn't indicate other than the fact that his ability, as a weapon of war against magic users, was built for magic of that world, from magic of that world. Probably true. But that just makes his task more difficult. It's more difficult to lift 75 pounds than 50, but I can still do it in a pinch :). :The point raised was that the magic has a physical basis - in this case to transport Jagang's mind elsewhere - if magic of his world had no physical basis, then wizard's fire would not burn, Wizard's fire does not burn pillars of creation, and Jagang's ability does not apply to them. It is therefore a direct magic effect upon the user's mind (Wizard's fire presumably serves as a direct substitute for oxidation, altering the molecules without waiting for the chemical reaction to take place? Or something analogous, but it sure as heck can't be put out like normal fires) , with no intermediary insertion of a physical nature, such as when Zeddicus killed a Pillar of Creation by using his magic to destroy the floor and create shrapnel. So no, no "physical component." Presumably Jagang's intent and perception is translated into magic for the purpose. Therefore,no possibility to fight it off physically. :It's akin to saying I use my abilty, thus my ability has been used - ignoring that there must still be a process resolved (at least from my standpoint - i.e. trying to take over Sinister's mind would result in Sinister battling for that control). How would it result in that when the control is instantaneous? No time in which to battle for control. You can't "use your ability thus it has been used" because you are limited by time. Jagang is not, therefore he can use it and thus it is used, nothing to fight. You cannot argue with the instantaneous, you cannot fight with the instantaneous. Listen, and understand. That dream walker is out there. It can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It can't be fought with. It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop, ever, until you are dead, or find a living Lord Rahl in your world to hold the bond, or find a Pillar of Creation.