Transwomen Should Be Eligible to Play Sports in the Women's League

Happy to think with you today. For those that missed it my opponent has posted their R3 in the comments. I'd ask that no one votes conduct to me because of this alone. There's not a clear right answer because I have no way of convincing you 100% that my way of thinking about these matters is the "right" way to think of them. There is inherent unfairness in sports based on genetics. These differences are celebrated. However, We have distinguished different leagues based on sex because there is a large subset of males that will beat every female in a wide variety of physical contests. The problem we're having is that you see transwomen as women and females. We have not been able to fully transition anyone to the opposite biological sex they were born as yet. Until we can transition them fully, The arguments for separating sports by sex will apply to the argument against transwomen who enjoy biological male advantages competing against biological females as well. You call them transsexuals in the sense that they (some of them, Not all) are trying to transition to the opposite sex, But we both know this process is not yet complete. Our science is not advanced enough to do this. When studies can confirm that there are no inherent advantages for the average transwoman and the average biological female then we can say the competition is fair if those transwomen have undergone the procedures that the transwomen in said study had gone through. So your view is that they're trying to transition and they're mentally women. We both agree it seems so far that they still possess the same inherent advantages from their biological male status. The problem is you're allowing this advantage strictly because they are women, And you think the definition of 'fairness' in sports should be expanded to allow this. I disagree. The definition of fairness as it exists today would exclude biological males from competing against biological females regardless of how they are trying to transition. In fact, Not all transwomen do go through with the surgery or want to. Your argument for transsex only works for those who actually want to transition to females as well as just the social norms that apply to women. Not all of them wish for that. So no, I don't think there's a super compelling reason to value your side. I don't think there's a compelling enough reason to value my side to convince YOU that it is the correct one. However, I'm asking that you consider the feelings of the majority of biological females who have to compete against those with biological advantages that no biological female could compete with. Your argument that SOME transwomen won't win against SOME biological females isn't the issue. It's that those that DO fall into the percentage of biological males with genetic potential that outclass EVERY female will ALWAYS win. The biological females have no chance. This is why they were separated in the first place. It's one thing to be optimistic and tell females to try to raise themselves to their highest potential. It's another to ask from them the impossible. We don't put females into competitions where they are outclassed in every physical way and tell them to just try harder. You, In my opinion, Are being extremely insensitive to those biological females that are put into this situation. An extreme contradiction in your opinion seems to be that competitions aren't for "winning. " That any female to competes to win is wrong by definition shouldn't be competing in the first place. This is an opinion. One shared by relatively few. We all want to win. We all want to fight and achieve victory. If I created an AI and put it in a body that was 1-10% better than ANY biological male and programmed it to think it was male so it could be allowed to compete against men, That is not battling in any sort of fair sense. You're saying that biological females shouldn't want to compete to win, To just compete against themselves, Yet you're saying that transwomen should be allowed the chance to compete to win instead of just competing against themselves. This is a contradiction in your view. Why don't trans women just compete against themselves instead of forcing biological females to compete against unwinnable opponents? This isn't a point you can just waive away with "I respect females and believe in them! " We have math behind this. Serena Williams would stand no chance against many of the top 100 male tennis players. To repeat, Your position is insensitive to one group of people in an attempt to be sensitive to another group of people, The majority of which don't even agree with your position in the first place without surgery and hormones for extended periods of time, All of which has not been proven to get transwomen down to biological female levels. If winning isn't part of the competition you feel transwomen should value, Why not let them compete against biological men? Especially those who aren't doing the surgery and taking the hormones. It is a much more fair competition, And those who are taking surgery and hormones are only as disadvantaged as biological females are against trans women, If not a little less! If it is fairness we value, Transwomen should be competing against biological males. If competition is ONLY for improving onesself then let them compete against those who can give them a real run for their money and push them to their limits. If it is gender alone that we value, Then they should compete against women despite the inherent unfairness of it. I submit that I am more interested in fair competition than gendered competition. I don't accept that transwomen are females. This distinction I have made clear with my own definitions. I don't think that many in the trans community would even disagree with this if I explained my position with them. I'm all for the eventual full transition from male to female and hope it happens as soon as possible. I'm hoping for a lot more than that with eventual third full sexes et cetera. To say I need to "prove" I'm pro-trans by agreeing with you on a point that I doubt most trans people would fully agree with is irrational. Not every opinion expressed by trans people is correct. Not agreeing with those opinions they are incorrect on is not anti-trans. I don't have to prove myself in this fashion. To suggest such is at the least mildly insulting. If transwomen want to compete in the short term without stirring up waves until studies prove to society at large that they are not unfairly advantaged, They should seek to compete where they are at a disadvantage, Or against each other. If fairness truly doesn't matter to you and you don't think that the possibility of achieving victory is at least some motivation for biological females pushing to do their best and achieve their potential, Then I don't have a convincing argument that will change your mind. All I can say is that people do value that. I believe your opinion that victory and winning are not important is inaccurate. I think that making sex based leagues because of the biological advantages of men was a good move. I like seeing more people able to compete in leagues where they can win and feel great for doing so. Some people are born with physical impairments that will prevent them from ever becoming an elite athlete, Even if they love a certain sport more than anything. There are leagues they can join that allow them to compete at their level. There is no league that biological females will be able to join to allow themselves a chance at victory against the biologically advantaged transwomen if they are allowed to compete with no holds barred, As my opponent would wish. The suggestion of having a league that they could achieve victory in would be called anti-trans and those females would be looked down upon just because they wanted a chance to win. Until transwomen can trans fully to bio female and studies confirm this, This should not be. -Thoht