Hip Hop is DEAD!!!

"Well, obviously that's not what I meant. When I say Hip-Hop is dead, that is in no way being related to prominent artist such as the ones I mentioned earlier..." Why waste your time refraining from saying what you mean? I am going to read the words you wrote, and base a judgement off of them, and of course I am going to take what you are saying literally, especially when they are not metaphors. When you say hip hop is dead, and it relates no way to the prominent hip hop artists you listed, especially when they are living figures-speaking both physically and figuratively, it is paradoxical. Living hip hop artists that are figures that represent hip hop (even of an older school) makes it so hip hop cannot be dead. This of course, is exclusively referring to your statement of the three living hip hop artists (of the older school,however, in this debate we are discussing is hip hop as a whole dead based off of lyrical talent and value) . I must clear up the attempt made to make it seem as if I agree with the definition of hip hop that was cited earlier. "My opponent and I both agreed to the definition of Hip-Hop being "The popular subculture of big-city teenagers, which includes RAP music, BREAK DANCING, and GRAFITTI ART", but as I firmly stated in round two: "I would not define hip hip strictly to the definition that was cited, but since you are saying hip hop is dead, you should give your definition of hip hop, which you have not done thus far." So re-illustrating this precarious definition,-one I asserted I did not agree with- is an attempt to frame my words with the wrong picture. "What I meant was that the true practice of Hip-Hop that made them great in the first place is now dead." This statement diverges from the original statement that you wished to debate; and that was "forget the nice beats, the catchy hooks and the flashy jewels.. lets talk sheer lyrical talent and value." You wish to strictly discuss sheer lyrical talent and value. Since I have elucidated lyrical talent and value is subjective- since one persons garbage could be anthers treasure- you are unable to prove your point that hip hop is dead as a whole while basing your points on something that is subjective like lyrical talent and value. Anything that is being argued besides lyrical talent and value is irrelevant. One cannot prove hip hop is dead while basing their views on something as subjective a lyrical talent and value. Furthermore, since my opponent is unable prove hip hop is dead because they are basing their argument off of lyrical talent and value- which is subjective, they are failing to fulfil the goal that was to prove hip hop is dead, therefore, PRO cannot prove his point. Although I could submit my comment just as it is now, for my own amusement, I shall go one step further to adding more points proving that hip hop is alive, referring to a hip hop industry and hip hop artist. Hip hop is not dead because there is a whole industry that is identified as the hip hop industry. There are award winning hip hop artists, such as Kanye West, Jay-Z, and Eminem (just to name a few). Record companies that sign hip hop artist ( such as A&M Records,Aftermath Entertainment,Aggro Berlin,All Star Records,Allido Records,AlphaPup Records, Amalgam Digital,Amaru Entertainment, B-Boy Records, and etc. etc.) state that the genre the artists they have signed are hip hop artists. Hip hop is very much alive because there is a hip hop industry where hip hop record companies sign hip hop artists, and those hip hop artists produce hip hop music. On another note of excess, and irrelevant information (seeing we have realized PRO cannot prove hip hop is dead while basing is argument of lyrical talent and value because it is subjective) there are still hip hop artists that rap acapella, here is an example with the rapper you cited earlier (in the top video) http://www.youtube.com.... As well as another example (see second video) http://www.youtube.com.... As for the "fact" of subliminal messages, that does not have to do with lyrical talent nor value. In conclusion, PRO cannot prove hip hop is dead because he is basing what he strictly wanted to discuss originally (in the outline for this debate) that is, lyrical talent and value, on subjectivity, thus, failing to prove hip hop is dead. The subjectivity on lyrical talent and value cannot back up, nor deny, that today, there is a whole hip hop industry with hip hop record labels and hip hop artists. Hip hop as a whole (artists, record labels, the industry, awards for hip hop artists, etc.) is valued by a great deal of people, and we cannot deny that there is a hip hop industry with hip hop artists, and these hip hop artist have fans because these fans admire something about these hip hop artist, whether it is their lyrics, clothing style, or image, fans respect them and like the music because they see them to have talent and value there lyrics ( Eminem voted 100 greatest artists because people like his music, lyrics, etc. http://www.rollingstone.com...). People can argue if they like or dislike the value of lyrics in the song; one may say they find the lyrics meaningful while the other does not, but this does not prove hip hop is dead, especially when it is conspicuous that there is a hip hop industry, hip hop artists, and hip hop record labels with a fan base.