Torture is the future for investigation

Since pro is not only arguing torture is good, but is the best way possible to obtain USEFUL information, they also have the burden of proving why any physically, economically, and mentally possible way is worse. Due to this. to prove them wrong, all I have to prove is that torture is not that efficient. For this, my opinion is not that powerful so I will use the internet and accounts from people how have been through torture to prove my point. Quickly I will explain why an FBI special agent can not be trusted to explain the usefulness of torture. Simply because they are the people who employ torture, so naturally whether it is efficient or pretty useless. Of course the people who approved the torture are going to say it worked, even if it did not. This is the same light as a murderer after the fact obviously saying they did not do it or it was self defense, you do not just take their word for it there, or here. "When they are in pain, people will say anything to make it stop." This is in fact true, but does not help your point, and one key word gives this away, anything. Yes, precisely, they will say ANYTHING to get them to stop, this does not mean providing their enemy with useful information. They will say ANYTHING to stop it, but this, as the torture report suggests, is pretty much always not going to be useful information. They could, and do, give any asinine false information to get them to stop, they have a reason to give motivation, but they have absolutely no reason to give correct information. We usually always pretty much did not know we were looking for it, because the information was wrong. Yes 141 countries of of 196 use torture, that is a fact, but that by no means does mean that torture is the best physically possible means of extracting USEFUL information. They say that there have been useful gains of information from torture, but have hardly a shred of evidence to prove that. Maybe in some very isolated instances the practice has worked, however that does not make it the future for investigations. And what are many of these 141 countries, brutal theocracies, dictatorships, fascist nations. I do not know is the US or any country really should believe that they are employing the best tactics possible. To prove that it has been more useful than any other form of investigations, you must have a very high number of primary or secondary sources to prove this. You say that the inmates/terrorists have nothing to be afraid of, and therefore will not speak, however what you assume is that if they do speak, they will pretty much always give useful information, which there is no evidence of. No one is saying that authorities have no right to harm them, just not to torture them. Senator John Mccain went through torture himself, and watched many of him comrades go through it in the Vietnam War, this alone makes him reliable source for what is likely to happen in the practice of torture. "They will say whatever they think their torturers want them to say if they believe it will stop their suffering." This is not my saying, this is a man who has watched many of his friends go through torture and went through him himself, and he is saying that he knows some one being tortured will give any information to stop their suffering, ANY information. You could read that quote for yourself at this link-http://www.theatlantic.com... Again in the next paragraph you keep assuming that torture will almost always get useful information, which is just not the case. "I know from personal experience that the abuse of prisoners will produce more bad than good intelligence. I know that victims of torture will offer intentionally misleading information if they think their captors will believe it. I know they will say whatever they think their torturers want them to say if they believe it will stop their suffering." Again John Mccain is saying that torture will simply produce much more bad information is good. A great quote by Mahatma Gandhi helps my point. "You can chain me, you can torture me, you can even destroy this body, but you will never imprison my mind." What does this show? As you said Islamic terrorists in groups like ISIS or Al Qaeda are willing to give their lives for their cause, what do you really believe are the odds of them giving away their friends and comrades. Highly unlikely. Maybe they will give information but it will pretty much always be fake. The example you state does not work simply because, THAT NEVER ACTUALLY HAPPENS, situations like that happen in movies and TV but that just does not take place in objective reality. Simply because is a terrorist group is planning a terror attack we know from experience that they do not reveal that information, especially when they know that their enemy has their members. Torture is far from guaranteed to give the information, it is highly, highly unlikely, no more likely than pretty much every other method. The reason it is not acceptable is because this situation does not happen. As for that specific example, if they found out where the leader is, how do they not know where the bomb is, where did they obtain that information in the first place? Again torture is almost never effective, we know this from firsthand accounts of people that have been tortured. Another problem with torture, how do we know that we have the right people? Due to your mention of the FBI I believe you live in the US, so let me point something out. In the torture report that was released we know that there is no piece of evidence to suggest the torture we did in facilities such as Guantanamo Bay produced any useful information that we do not already know. My last argument is that simply the people we get are sometimes not the right people. The single way we know we got the right people is by our soldiers seizing them in battle. Problem is this pretty much never happens. Terrorists will be willing to give their lives for their cause and will give their life for it willingly. This goes for any terrorists, Muslim, Christian, Jewish, atheist whatever. Let me give you an example. Under the Bush administration a deal was made where we gave money to some countries like Afghanistan and in return they were supposed to give us affiliates of terrorist groups, while in reality, they gave us anti government protesters who we tortured for absolutely no reason and got no information and wasted time. The problem with torture in pretty much every country who does it is that there is no due process or vetting, which means the already very low odds of getting useful information is decreased even more. If any country decided to torture there are some things called the UN, geneva conventions, and international law we will have to pull out of in order to perform this practice which gives us very little useful information. As the United NAtions made a ruling outlawing torture in 1974. Governments that block the aspirations of their people, that steal or are corrupt, that oppress and torture or that deny freedom of expression and human rights should bear in mind that they will find it increasingly hard to escape the judgement of their own people, or where warranted, the reach of international law. This quote summarizes a lot- "Governments that block the aspirations of their people, that steal or are corrupt, that oppress and torture or that deny freedom of expression and human rights should bear in mind that they will find it increasingly hard to escape the judgement of their own people, or where warranted, the reach of international law." Even more torture than countries already have, will not be escaping international law no matter how powerful.