the Christian god exists

first, I apologize for the mess up in the rounds. I usually post all of my debates in the same way but this was different in that I assigned my opponent the BOP. Again, I sincerely apologize. "The most important eyewitnesses would be the 12 disciples who suffered greatly for their testimony: http://biblebasics.wordpress.com...; I do not see how posting a link to how the disciples died makes the Christian god exist. "Ordinary people have also seen Jesus resurrect: http://bible.cc...; This does not specify any people specifically who saw Jesus ressurect. And appeals to eye witness testimony are usually faulty in that people have horrible judgement. Just look at supposed alien abductions or people who believe their house is haunted. There must be external evidence brought forth that proves that the Christian god exists. "and brought before them the brother of Jesus, who was called Christ, whose name was James, and some others, [or, some of his companions]; and when he had formed an accusation against them as breakers of the law, he delivered them to be stoned" http://www.earlyjewishwritings.com...... (Chapter 9:1, found in the middle of the paragraph) He was willing to die for Jesus because he saw him resurrect (1 Corinthians 15:7)." I don't think the fact that he was willing to die necessarily makes what he believed true. The Nazis believed the Jews were inferior and were willing to die for that cause but that is again no external evidence for the Jew's alleged inferiority. "We also have Paul. "In his own words, Paul says "I was violently persecuting the church of God and was trying to destroy it" (Galatians 1:13). On his way to Damascus he was confronted by the risen Jesus in a heavenly vision. According to the three separate accounts in Acts, Saul found himself on the ground, blinded by the intensity of a heavenly light. The risen Jesus gave Saul a commission to "be a light to the Gentiles." After his conversion this Saul was to propel the infant church to fulfill the Great Commission by taking the gospel to the Gentiles." http://www.churchhistory101.com...... Who due to conversion suffered persecution. http://www.biblegateway.com...; This is again eye witness testimony and no external evidence for the existence of any deity. Also I still do not see how the fact that he was willing to suffer persecution makes him right. People were willing to suffer persecution for the cause of Islam so how can they both be right? "For starters, Jesus body was never produced. If the body was in the tomb then why didn't the religious leaders refrain from exposing the Christians?" One reason why Jesus' body was never found could be A)He never existed B)The disciples stole his body in an effort to attract followers or C)Jesus existed but the crucifixtion never took place. The bible is the only place where it is said that the body was in the tomb or that Jesus ever existed. "Secondly, why would the disciples steal the body then lie about seeing Jesus resurrect and then suffer for their lie? Isn't that worse than complete madness? I say yes." You may say yes but Christianity has historically been an incredible source of power. I don't know if they did as I seriously doubt Jesus ever existed but it is not beyond reason that they could have. "Now, lets do some very simple additions: 1. People saw Jesus resurrect 2. Jesus disappeared 3. The Gospels seem genuine The conclusion? JESUS RESURRECTED! AMEN!" Let's review: 1.Eye wintness accounts cannot be used as reliable testimony as people can be mistaken about things as trivial as what color car they saw flee the scene of a crime. 2.You have not proven that Jesus ever existed or that the disciples couldn't have stolen his body. 3.The Gospels SEEM genuine. That does not mean they are and your point about how women are the first eyewintesses and this proves god exists does not take into account the verses that are, just as most living in that day, misogynistic. Women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says. -1 Corinthians 14:34 A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. -1 Timothy 2:11