In terms of the Christian God, we are all agnostic.

I will be arguing PRO for the resolution that in terms of the Christian God, all human beings are agnostic. Thanks to my opponent for accepting. I will start by defining some terms, and ask that if you don't agree with the definitions presented, please don't accept the debate. Agnosticism: "The philosophical view that the truth value of certain claims — particularly metaphysical claims regarding theology, afterlife or the existence of deities, ghosts, and so on — is unknown or, depending on the form of agnosticism, inherently impossible to prove or disprove." [1] Christian God: The generally accepted version of a creator God as presented by Christianity. Attributes include creator of the Universe, omnipotence, omniscience, is outside of time and space, all that cool stuff! Knowledge: Once again, a generally accepted version of what defines knowledge will be used here. In order to say that 'S' knows 'P', three conditions must be met: - 'P' must be true. - 'S' must believe 'P'. - 'S' must be justified in believing 'P'. Now, let's suppose that 'P' is the following statement: 'the Christian God created our Universe and still exists.' Suppose that a particular person believes 'P', and feels justified in believing 'P'. You may say that somebody's reason to believe a particular thing is not worthy of being called 'justification', but justification is a very subjective thing. It would take some people no more than a crude image of Jesus on their toast to sell their TV and become born again. I, on the other hand, would want to see Jesus perform a few miracles (not David Blaine stuff like water to wine, I'm talking time travel, morphing into animals) before I believed he was any more than a hobo looking for change. The point is, if someone feels that a particular amount of proof is justification enough for them to believe, then their belief is justified. So if 'P' is true, all 3 conditions of knowledge have been met, and that person can claim to know it. If 'P' is not true, then the person's true stance on the matter (regardless what that person calls him/herself) is agnostic. But the truth of the Christian God's existence is, at this stage, unknown. NOBODY KNOWS. Not Einstein, Dawkins, GodSands, Hovind, Nietzsche, me, you, or your local priest. Nobody has ever known, and in my opinion probably never will know one way or the other. A lot of people (theists and atheists) like to claim that they know the answer to 'P', but they don't. Nobody does. Bertrand Russell was honest about his atheism: "As a philosopher, if I were speaking to a purely philosophic audience I should say that I ought to describe myself as an Agnostic, because I do not think that there is a conclusive argument by which one can prove that there is not a God. On the other hand, if I am to convey the right impression to the ordinary man in the street I think that I ought to say that I am an Atheist, because, when I say that I cannot prove that there is not a God, I ought to add equally that I cannot prove that there are not the Homeric gods." [2] Some Christians even like to say that the existence of God is actually unknowable, because knowing he exists eliminates the need for faith. These Christians are admitting that they are agnostic without even realizing it. I will leave my first round here. Please note that I can't verify my account, so I can't leave comments. [1] - http://en.wikipedia.org... [2] - http://en.wikipedia.org...