Miley Cyrus

"For the sake of disclosure, I have to say that the most I knew of Miley Cyrus before this debate was that she is some teenybopper pop star that I see on magazine covers when I go grocery shopping. I feel my life has improved from the research involved in=2 0this debate..." I am glad that you have learned a lot about her through this debate, but still- if you really had no idea what was going on with her, etc. then maybe you aren't really fit to say that she is a good person or not a bad person. "-Indeed. An excellent return volley on this round, I must admit" J Thanks! You replied with great quality as well. "-Incorrect. You essentially commit the same fallacy twice here: Black and White (aka either/or). Based on the resolution, which you did not dispute and thus agreed to, your role is specific: proving that Miley Cyrus is a bad role-model. However, this doesn't mean that I have have to prove that she IS a GOOD role-model - at the most I have to prove that she is not NOT a bad role-model. My argument versus yours is contradictory, not contrary, as you would have the readers believe - this is where the fallacy occurs in respect to both the resolution to be debated, as well as the reality of the situation. She might be a good role-model, a mediocre role-model, or completely neutral. Proving any of the former would win me the debate. In simpler terms, I am not here to prove anything specific except "Miley is not a bad role-model," which can be done by refuting you and introducing doubt to the readers." Okay. Let me clarify. My Job: Prove why she is not a great person [not just a bad role model]. I have done this. Refute any of your points. Your Job: Opposite of mine. Prove to me20why she is not a bad person. Refute my points. You have rebuted my points, but have not proved to me why you are Pro for Miley. What makes her not a bad person? Anyways, onto the debate. "-Incorrect. A hacker admitted to getting the pictures and posting them. Here Miley Cyrus is simply the victim of an invasion of privacy." True, a hack er may have gotten these pics, but what good and morally valued teen girl would take those pictures and blackmail them to her ex Nick Jonas?! New pictures have been incovered o f her taking pictures o herself naked in the bathroom mirror. They found them on her phone. My source is the radio [Q100] while yours is wikipedia?! Wikipedia is not a valid source. Anybody can get on and change any information. "Personally, I actually thought her parody was rather funny. Making inroads to a career in comedy now makes someone "careless, shallow, and rude"? It was an innocent attempt by young women that happen to be ce lebrities at satire. They (Miley and Mandy) didn't exactly call them and invite them over to their home in feigned friendship just so they could beat them up and post that on youtube. I also thought that video was funny, by the way:)" Still, again I ask what good and morally well person would do this? It is just plain unnecessary and inappropriate. Look at what this teaches the thousands/ millions of viewers. Your personal opinion isn't really a valid source either… "-OK... So now expression via art (again, I use these terms loosely) that isn't a fairy-tale version of the world (contrast "Hannah Montana") makes a person a bad role-model? Better include every great artist that has lived." Uhmm…how does this disprove my point? She showed the world her newfound hate for poor Nick. Again, look at what it teaches the kids. "-1)I disagree and 2)now you have a working knowledge of the mind of Miley? Or she simply told you she felt threatened and thus took said actions? and 3)There is a difference between being a fan of someone and considering them a role-model: I am a fan of Led Zeppelin and Guns n' Roses, but that doesn't mean that I either idolize them or consider them role-models." I can't get into the mind of Miley Cyrus, but her actions speak to me loud and clear. I am not sayig that she is a horrible person who will never get any better. I am just against her current way of life and actions. Remember, this was not just a debate about how she is not a good role model, but also not a great person in general. " -I am not conceding this point, but I have to tell you honestly that your logic is completely backwards here. Proper: "Miley Cyrus is not a great person, therefore she is not a good role-model."" If they are not a good person them logically, she is not a good role model. It is pure logic. If the person is not good, you don't want them as your role model. Sorry for saying it backwards. :) "Cyrus is obviously a bigger celebrity than either of these other girls. See above point on the Hollywood rumour mill." So? Just beca use you are a bigger celebrity doesn't make you any better or a better person more fit to be a fine exapmple of a role model does it? " "In 2007, Cyrus made a large contribution to the City of Hope (she gave $1 for every HM concert ticket sold) 'The cool thing about being a part of City of Hope is that they are a cancer research center. They're not only helping kids that are there, but also finding out how they can heal them by figuring out what exactly is going on, which is amazing.'[39]" -http://en.wikipedia.org...; Still Wikipedia is not a valid source but...just because you have done a few charitable or nice things in your life doesn't automatically make you a great person. I am speaking of her current status. With all of her money, she SHOULD be donating like this regulalry. The good things do not make up for all the numerous negative actions she has commited. My opponent has offered just this previous point as his only reason as to why she is not a bad person. But again I say, would a truely moral, good person do this kind of stuff? Take naked pictures of herself to blackmail to her ex? Make fun of other celebs? No! Just consider this please. I kid you not, every time I listen to the radio [once a week maybe] there is ALWAYS a new scandal involving Miley. Seriously, is this really who we want out young children and gra ndchildren, siblings, and friends to idolize? I think not. She might have done these charitable acts,but they do not make up for her regular scandals occuring NOW. I truely hope that Miley Cyrus recieves some help and learns to lead a new way of life! There is always hope! :) Good luck to you Miley! Back to you Britt for one last time! ~Slammin P.S. Thanks for the great debate!