Abortion Should Remain Legal

'The right of the mother outweighs the rights of the fetus only so long as there is some risk to the mother in not denying the fetus those rights. ' How does that statement make sense if you said before hat the laws could be changed? And I'm pretty sure that abortion is legal for any reason before the third trimester, that's why it is called the woman's right to privacy. But even if it has restrictions in some states or more restrictions are made, then those laws could be changed, as you said. 'Let's say you have a pet cat. ' That analogy fails when it gets to the 7th word. A cat is a living thing, not a fetus. A cat is also an animal, and animals do not have the rights that humans have. The only rights animals have are the protection from assault and murder if they are someone's property. If you have an animal as part of your property, then you can do whatever you want to it. Since animals are also not self-aware, and human fetuses are not self-aware, they are both property of humans. So a woman has complete control of her property. 'If a person so dislikes living, that person could end it, and may have a right to do so. One does not have the right to choose for others, however, whether or not their lives should be lived. You have successfully made an argument for the right to commit suicide. You have not made an argument for the right of one person to take a chance of killing another person when there is no need to take that chance. ' There is a home near mine that houses two kids with many deformities including retardation. When I'm outside I can sometimes hear them screaming in pain. Their mother has an extremely hard time caring for both of them and so does the third child who has no deformities. When he was younger, he pleading with his mom to not leave him alone with them. He also probably has thoughts such as 'why me, why do I have to live life with siblings like these when everyone else has normal siblings? ' Many people with deformities may not know how to commit suicide, or that suicide even exists. And why should you let them go through a pain-filled life and end it with more pain, instead of just save them from all of that with an abortion? 'Thank you for conceding this argument to me without my having to do it myself. See one way below:' The only problem with stem cells hat that article mentions is that some people think it's unethical. It is not unethical, because a fetus is not a living thing, it is a potential living thing. Now with stem cells, it is made into a potential life-saver. 'There are always going to be people like me trying to bring us forward, and there are always going to be people like you trying to hold us back. ' - youtube user TheAmazingAtheist 'Sex is not a surprise. Tell me a valid ethical reason for a woman not using any of the above options, knowing that she is having sex? ' It may not be a surprise, but a lot of people aren't going to be testing for pregnancy or taking pills right after they have sex. If a decent amount of protection is used, then a lot of people won't think there was a chance that one little sperm might've slipped by. Although the chance is low, there's still a chance. The woman might not even remember having sex, she could have been tired, a little drunk, or both. 'Some ‘vegetarians' eat fish because ‘they're not animals. ' After all, they don't have fur. ' True, people draw the line at different places, but is eating meat illegal? No, because if someone doesn't want to eat meat then they don't have to. If someone doesn't want to get an abortion then they don't have to either. 'No, many people couldn't afford to pay for the (many more) millions of unplanned babies born if people didn't have contraceptives. Or so I can argue, as you've provided no statistics to review. ' You don't need statistic to know the obvious. Of course there are many people in the U. S. and the world that can't even pay to feed themselves. You know what what happen if abortion were made illegal? The population would grow. You know what happens when the population grows? More mouths to feed. More mouths to feed = less food to people ratio. When food is more valuable, the price will rise. When the price of food rises it affects everyone, and their tax dollars, including the people barely making a living today. And it doesn't only affect food, it affects every resource that people need. 'So does she want it or not? If she's the type who would argue that labor pains alone mean that she earns the right to parent the child, I would argue that she should have the child TAKEN away. ' ? What re you talking about? I said pregnancy and labor, not just labor pains. And to have the child taken away would mean the woman would have to endure both, what you said doesn't make sense. 'Awesome ad hominem/straw man attack you've presented. No, I value mitigating harm. I can not, and do not, define whether or not a fetus is a human. I do recognize that a fetus MAY be a human. If the fetus MAY be a human, and it has not and will not predictably cause harm to a person, then regardless of its origin I do not see a valid reason for taking its life. Because it MAY be murder, and I would rather not take that chance needlessly. ' First off, thanks for the compliment. But the thing is, a fetus if NOT a human. Read this web page, it'll help you understand: . http://www.capitalism.org.... A fetus is basically a parasite. It's feeding off of a human, and is not conscious. It is aware of nothing, it's subconsciously feeding off of a human's body because it isn't developed enough to live outside of it yet. Parasites are not human, therefor, a fetus at most is a potential human. '[sarcasm] Oh, yes, clearly I am in love with rape. ' I never accused you of being in love with rape, I just said you were okay with women having to endure the after-effects of it (pregnancy, labor, caring for the child, the child as a permanent reminder of the incident. ) 'If someone murdered your sibling, would you go ahead and kill the murderer's kid? I hope not. The burden for the recompense of a vile crime of the progenitor should not be transferred to its progeny. ' ABORTION IS NOT MURDER. Here's an excerpt from the web page I sent: 'Murder is the taking of the life of another human being through the initiation of physical force. Abortion is not murder, because a fetus is not a human being -- it is a potential human being, i. e. it is part of the woman. The concept murder only applies to the initiation of physical force used to destroy an actual human being, i. e. , such as when "pro-life" terrorists bomb abortion clinics. ' 'Not a thing. What do you not understand about how these advances invalidate your resolution? ' Even if we had alternative ways to terminate a pregnancy without the standard abortion procedure, it would still be an abortion, because it 'aborts' the fetus. 'Not indefinitely, no. ' Until the third trimester, yes 'Anti-choice. Funny. I am anti-choice I suppose. I don't think people should choose to murder, steal, rape, etc. So I'm anti-choice in a very limited sense. ' Pro-choice doesn't mean every action should have a choice, it only refers to abortion. 'They could do that or get the perfectly legitimate non-abortive equivalent I have already proposed, where the child can be incubated independent of the mother. ' Incubation is a simulation of the body keeping the baby alive, since a fetus is a woman's property until it can survive on it's own, a woman can choose between incubation of abortion. Please, vote Pro. In order the bring us a step closer to a Libertarian society, and to protect the freedom for people to have control over their own bodies, abortion must remain legal.