Joseph Stalin was a more ruthless dictator than Adolf Hitler

(Only 3? ? That's really sad). As an interesting fact before I start the contentions. When Stalin's son tried to commit suicide he fired but survived causing Stalin to complain that 'he can't even shoot' and refuse to swap a German general for his son causing his son to be killed. Also Stalin was seen as arguing with his wife later on his wife committed 'suicide' (yeahright). In contrast Hitler suicide with his wife. How touching. /sarcasm. 1. Increasingly over time Stalin became more and more paranoid as a result of this he assassinated one of his most faithful communist fellows Sergev Kirov . https://en.wikipedia.org... he was extremely loyal to Stalin but he became quite popular and thus a threat apparently. It is also believed by all historians that this was used as an excuse to start the great purges. This purge was due to the paranoia of Stalin and effectively the secret police killed millions almost indiscriminately. The great war heroes, leaders and marshals who led the resistance against the massive white armies invading them and won were all killed due to of course Stalin's paranoia they were never his enemies they supported him as. These great heroes or higher up figures were taken to court first to show their guilt and that they were plotting you might think that this is very democratic. But actually they were tortured to admit their crimes first. This was extremely illogical and was quite stupid in one move he crippled his army and with WW2 coming closer it almost caused him to lose the war. Also about those famines. Stalin caused these because he wanted Soviet Russia to be a great nation and forced industrialisation resulting in massive lose of lives completely illogically. Later on it became extremely clear it was pointless. Also this: "it was not a crop failure but the excessive demands of the state, ruthlessly enforced, that cost the lives of as many as five million Ukrainian peasants. Stalin refused to release large grain reserves that could have alleviated the famine, while continuing to export grain; he was convinced that the Ukrainian peasants had hidden grain away and strictly enforced draconian new collective-farm theft laws in response. [82][83] Other historians hold it was largely the insufficient harvests of 1931 and 1932 caused by a variety of natural disasters that resulted in famine" . https://en.wikipedia.org... In contrast to all of this Hitler did actually have a reason for persecuting the Jews that correlates with politics. He did it because he wanted the German population to unite and basically turned the Jews into scapegoats for everything that happened in WW1. This allowed him to gain massive support from the majority of Germans and caused him to be elected (with the help of assassinations). Stalin overall was much more ruthless because of his paranoia. 2. Starvation is one of the most painful deaths. Can you imagine having no food for weeks going thin as hell while watching your children and family starve to death until you finally succumb and fall down having no energy and finally die? That does not sound quick. I entirely disagree with you that these are painful ways to die. Dieing by gas is a quick way to go and most Jews died by gas "The use of extermination camps (. .. ) They were built for the systematic killing of millions, primarily by gassing, but also by execution and extreme work under starvation conditions. [34]". https://en.wikipedia.org... Sure many died from extreme work but most by gassing which is extremely quick. However in contrast of the Gulag camps which Stalin built in Siberia conditions were terrible Siberia had temperatures ranging to -71 degrees with people dying of cold in the sleep and of course the prisoners "all lived on starvation level rations, and many people starved to death in the camps," . https://en.wikipedia.org... also on the same link "Among the prisoners there are some so ragged and lice ridden that they pose a sanitary danger to the rest. These prisoners have deteriorated to the point of losing any resemblance to human beings. Lacking food . . . they collect orts [refuse] and, according to some prisoners, eat rats and dogs. [76]" "faced meagre food rations, inadequate clothing, overcrowding, poorly insulated housing, poor hygiene, and inadequate health care. Most prisoners were compelled to perform harsh physical labour. [75]" Stalin was more indiscriminate then Hitler which made it even worse Hitler had reasons (yes stupid reasons but still reasons which I disagree with btw obviously) but Stalin it was due to paranoia so everyone was terrified. At one point 18 million people were in these Gulag camps. Research done by the Nazis were bad yes. But they will never compare to what Stalin did. Stalin set up the Stasi which're the east Germany government (Stalin's satellite state they did whatever he said). Stalin made them set up the Stasi Prison. First before being sent their people were physically tortured and then sent in cars which would drive around in circles for hours and hours (to make it seem they were going far away and create isolation) when in reality the prison was right next to them. After getting out they would be put in isolation whenever they tried to go to sleep they would be awoken unto the point of insanity. They even played a constant changing noise for some prisoners eventually making them go insane. Extreme psychological torture was instilled on every patient. Leaving them in isolation with no one to talk to for years. Whenever they went to wash there would be eyes looking in eye holes to make them feel insecure. After a while they would send some patients into a pitch black rubber room with straps closing their arms. Anyone who entered this came out completely insane this room completely broke them. The prisons conditions were far far far worse then any Nazi's camps conditions because they didn't involve psychological torturing their people. . http://www.dailymail.co.uk... Not very detailed but it provides photographic proof. (Btw ik all this because I've been to the Stasi Prison in Berlin. 3. This is completely illogical. But if you insist on war casualties which should never be included in how many a regime has killed. I can easily argue that if you think Hitler predominantly wanted war and land. Stalin also wanted war perhaps more than Hitler as he was already mass producing tanks. . https://en.wikipedia.org... ready for war. Stalin wanted war as equally as Hitler did. Both deserve mutual responsibility for ww2. And Stalin was responsible for many atrocities during ww2 "Germans took so many Soviet prisoners of war in part because Stalin ordered his generals not to retreat. The Germans shot so many civilians in part because Soviet partisans deliberately provoked reprisals. The Germans shot more than a hundred thousand civilians in Warsaw in 1944 after the Soviets urged the locals to rise up and then declined to help them. " For more information on this . http://www.nybooks.com... its at the bottom of the page. Also since you're including this I think I can include what Stalin caused. In his greed for industrialisation and power. He caused Mao the Chinese dictator in to doing the same causing way over 30 million deaths. Stalin was also responsible for leaving so many Russian peasants behind and he forcibly told his generals to not retreat. There's also more information of this on the bottom. So overall Hitler and Stalin deserve mutual responsibility and Stalin caused the terrible genocides in China. Meaning that overall Stalin did caused more deaths then Hitler. Thanks for debating.