LM CLassic Semi-finals: Puck vs Logical-Master

1 A. Attack on Nate Grey. Whether an ambush or not is irrelevant to the discussion of what he can do. Apocalypse is not Nate, indeed both Cable and Jean Grey have bested Apocalypse, of which Sinister has defeated both as well. Also you ignore the fact I have showed outside of Nate the very same counter abilities present and used. The issue of a mind map is irrelevant since Sage can provide precisely that to Sinister. Such knowledge not only allows Sinister deeper access, but the ability to shut off abilities as well, and precisely that Sinister will do to Apocalypse, rendering him useless, allowing the original TP exit to occur, no matter where he teleports too (moot once teleport is shut down anyway). http://img192.imageshack.us... 1 B. Sinister fears Apocalypse. Sinister's raison d'etre is genetic manipulation (hence no mano e mano record, it's simply not in character). The initial Apocalypse virus was because Apocalypse was determined to wipe out humanity. The "all my work" line references Cable being the instrument of Sinister, whom he created, whom Apocalypse is determined to kill. Since he doesn't (Cable is underpowered even) and Cable has been shown to kill Apocalypse (death of Apocalypse) we can say Sinister's method is indeed superior to Apocalypses. 1 C. Sinister vs. Professor X. Again, not the Sinister here. The Divided We Stand arc occurs after Messiah Complex where Sinister *dies*. Professor is battling a latent archetype of Sinister triggered upon his death, held by the machines power that only once destroyed allows Professor X to expel Sinister. Let's not get sidetracked though, this is not a Sinister vs. Professor X battle, no matter what you may prefer. Your only reference to Apocalypse's power is a single self reference. Stating "I am God" does not make me one. 1 D. The Watcher. It could just as easily be the ships tech. Tech of which Apocalypse is reliant upon for a quantity of his abilities such as regeneration. Still no psychic power. 2 A. Batman's Motherbox. So a reduced Motherbox, an artifact specifically called "Boomtube" in the name. There is no reference that Batman creates the Gauntlets with the full powers of the listed Motherbox, indeed specifically created to form Boomtubes, not the rest. Until you can show the Gauntlets are equitable to the original MotherBox in ability the argument he can neither find Deadpool nor Spiral stands. 2. B. The Source. Given the Gauntlets appear to be singular purpose in regards to Motherbox abilities, Source arguments are on hold till you show the Gauntlets capable of otherwise. 3. Spiral's Spell. R1 I placed the spell into effect prior to Doomsday even deciding to attack. Spiral's dimensional magic is manipulation of time space and matter, of which is present everywhere in the city, including around my team. Doomsday enters an altered state, created by the spell, held in stasis, then paralysed. The argument Spiral must be aware of Doomsday is moot: 1. Prescience, 2. She creates the spell which Doomsday *enters* 3. Once in stasis, speed is entirely irrelevant. http://img695.imageshack.us... 4. Sage's boost. Sage isn't aligned with Sinister, asking for a boost scan for the two just isn't available. Sage's ability is depicted as providing higher levels of normal or latent abilities. http://marvel.wikia.com...(Tessa)_(Earth-616) In addition Sinister can engage Apocalypse on the Psychic Plane, where his powers are greatly manifest. Note Psylocke (high level psychic) top left, unaffected by being placed in the Plane, only Sinister's powers are made manifest large. http://img25.imageshack.us... 5 A. Amazo's abilities. You R1: "Apocolypse and Spider-Man allows Amazo to duplicate their powers. Amazo then proceeds to use Apocolypse's powers ... " Amazo *with* Apocalypse's abilities, *minus* the use of them to TK shield in your R1. My R1, I challenge the fact that Apocalypse remains after first contact, hence the "Granted at this stage Amazo has Doomsday and Spiderman's abilities, not so Apocalypse", referencing the current Sinister vs. Apocalypse struggle, *not* that you had not given Amazo, Apocalypse's abilities in your initial strategy. The fact that you specifically change your R1 argument post mine, remains. Amazo was unshielded upon the nanite attack. Spiderman and Batman were unshielded upon the nanite attack. Spider sense Amazo fails for the same reason that Spiderman's does; atom sized swarms do not present a 'known threat' to counter. 5 B. Batman's retreat. Again a post argument applied. You initially have the duo stand and fight, again Spiderman has no real sense of what is there to dictate retreat from. Note, it is dropped that Spiderman can sense, can defeat the nanites themselves, a retreat is a tacit admission of defeat here. 6. Spiral and energy. Spiral manipulates reality, not creates an extra 'energy' anything. Teleporting inside is moot since I specifically made it around my team for this very thing ("around the team"). There is nothing to teleport into apart from the space my team needs, indeed you simply teleport into the spell itself if you do so. Equivocation on energy occurs. What Cyclops can produce and what dimensional magic is are not equitable. 6 B. Teleporting into members. Moot. Sinister's molecular control makes such damage irrelevant, plus touching Sinister = paralysis or he can command sleep. Same with Engineer, whose nanites regrow damage. Spiral is invisible. Sage can borrow Sinister's regenerative factor. Engineers nanites are sense organs, able to detect Amazo thus detailing it for destruction. Spiral can just as easily sense then target Amazo with spells there as well. http://img200.imageshack.us... http://img20.imageshack.us... http://img23.imageshack.us... http://img36.imageshack.us... http://img200.imageshack.us... 7. Duo vs. Deadpool. Deadpool detonates *as* they enter. There are no set explosives for Spiderman to web, they are exploding. Likewise, Batman is hit *as* he enter the room, the explosive force is occurring when they arrive. The duo are taken out. == Deadpool and Engineer clone are preparing, another clone sent his way ...