The democrats show their true colors - stalinist marxist socialist communist - corrupt to the core

Alright, for my second round I will begin my analyzing my opponents statements. "Becuase (1) they make man God, and the State God, and are TRULY EVIL They OPPOSE the ideal of man being free and independent and liberty Everything is the masses, and groups, not individualism." >>First off we have a bit of a contradiction here, in the sense that if they are making men into gods how do they also oppose the idea of men being free, independent, and having liberty? Secondly doesn't every form of government take some amount of a persons freedom, and independence? The fact that we have laws has curbed my freedom in some small ways over what I would be able to do without a government. Does this mean that all governments are evil? "They BAN religion and PERSECUTE those of faith !" >>Not true, look to empirical examples in Europe now. "look at the history of communism - MILLIONS DEAD and STARVED TO DEATH Stalin - DITTO" >>Great, look at small scale communism. The quakers are a pretty good example and they actually work alright. Are quakers pure evil? No, its not communism or socialism that is evil, it is the human application that can be evil. "Marx and Engels had interseting notions, but in practice they produce EVIL results." >>This is where my opponent has conceded the debate to me. He is attempting to prove that communism is corrupt to its core yet he calls the start of communism an interesting idea. "Socialism is communism lite- forced secualrism, and government control over most aspects of health, welfare and economy. It fails every time, becuase it doesnt encourage individual effort and achievement." >>Which is why many of the countries in Europe with national health care, and free college are failing? Last time I checked the United States was slowly becoming less and less educated. "And Communism IS a dirty word Communism is an INSIDIOUS EVIL that has resulted in MILLIONS OF BRUTAL DEATHS" >>Hmmm... Millions of deaths. Cholesterol has also killed millions, would cheese happen to be evil? Guns have killed billions, are those evil? Smoking has claimed its fair share of millions... evil? Car accidents, are cars evil? No, its not any of those things that are evil in themselves. Its human misuse of them that you would refer to as evil. The same is true with communism. At this point in time my opponent has failed to show me how Stalinist, Marxist, Communist, and Socialist ideas are corrupt to their core. The rest of my post from this point on is simply going to be me arguing my opponents 4 points on what democrats are clueless about. Thus if the voter does not feel like reading the rest of my passage that is 100% fine. (1) The nature of the THREAT of ISLAM >>Islam just like most religions now a days is just another religion. Its thoughts are not particularly radical in themselves and while I disagree with the entire religion I also disagree with you. Islam is not a threat. It is radicals who choose to use Islam as a foundation for their beliefs that can be threats. To say Islam is a threat would be like saying Buddhism is a threat because a couple of people decided to start killing Americans and cited the fact that they were following Buddhas wishes. (2) The nature of the ECONOMY >>Our economy functions under a federal banking system. However the federal bank is a private corporation, its not actually regulated by the federal government. The federal bank loans this country money that we then have to pay back to the federal bank at interest. So considering the fact that we get all of our money from the federal bank where exactly does the money come from to pay the interest? Easy, the federal bank, this is why the amount of currency in circulation has been slowly increasing over the years. This is why things that cost $0.10 years ago now cost $1.00 now. Our economic system perpetuates debt, it creates a system in which we are always going to owe the federal bank more and more money. Where do you think your income taxes are going? To pay off a debt under a system that this government doesn't even need. However in your defense solarman, you're right, it doesn't actually see like either side knows about this or even really cares. (3) the LIMITS set forth in the CONSTITUTION >>Limits? I believe there were 10 of them to begin with. Lets see Patriot act curbed the rights inherent in the 1st, 4th, 5th, and 6th amendments in one way or another. Guantanamo bay through the patriot act has basically nulled the 8th amendment. The 3rd amendment has been killed by time, it no longer means anything. 9th amendment has become all but meaningless not to say it wasn't before. Lot of this seems like republican legislation. But in your defense Solarman, the democrats have done a very fair job of destroying the second amendment: National Firearms Act (1934) Gun Control Act (1968) Firearms Owner's Protection Act (1986) Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act (1993) The 1994 Omnibus Crime Control Act (1994) (4) the nature and motivations of good conservative American folks >>Good conservative Americans are because of the adjective you put in that sentence, good obviously. However on the same card good liberal American folks are also good under the same logic. This does not mean that liberals and conservatives are somehow inherently good because they are in one party or another. You seem to forgot the fact that they are all people, and like people they have desires and motivations. And sometimes power, which makes a bad combination. You go on to state that it is the democratic party itself is un-american. First I wouldn't mind if you defined American in our next round for fun. I have a bit of trouble deciding what American is. Do conservative viewpoints = American viewpoints? If so, why bother having a two political party system? Why not just get rid of the democrats and then we can have a 1 party state run by republicans? But of simplicities sake I'm going to say Un-American means going against the constitution and declaration. So lets take a look at your profile Solarman, you being a good conservative I imagine. 1. You're against abortion, that could possibly inhibit the mothers persuit of happiness. Especially if that mother was raped. Freedom of choice? 2. Against flag burning... Isn't one of the number one American ideals the freedom of choice? Isn't that our first amendment? Yet you yourself want to stop it by making flag burning illegal. You are advocating for more government control. Seems a little un-American and un-conservative. 3. Gay marriage, once again you are advocating for more government control in this situation. Once again this would be our first amendment. 4. Labor Unions, this gives power to the people. Yet you would rather get rid of it? Taking the power from the people.... seems un-American. 5. Term limits, restricts the rights of the citizens to elect who they want. Un-American. My point is this, any issue can be seen as Un-American. To call someone Un-American means nothing in contemporary society. I think you are far to stuck in party lines and you have condensed the world into good and evil without realizing that everything is far far more complex than that. You also apparently deny the fact that human actions are what create all the evils you see in favor of titles such as democrats, communists, Islam. Your mindset makes it easy for you to discredit everything else and is what in the end makes you quite possibly the most "Un-American" person I have met on this web site. I would urge you in the future to realize that there is a grass roots application to every argument you are making.