Battlefield 3 is better than MW3

It's a little funny that I'm posting my final round on the day that Battlefield 3 comes out. I'm sure my opponent is eager to get his hands on it. I'll now finish up my explanation on why the same isn't true for me. You are quite persistent in your constant attempts to establish realism as a deciding factor in game superiority. Your first new contention is that realism "pushes current tech to its limits". This assertion simply does not hold up. Madden '12 is certainly a very realistic game, and although its graphics are good, one certainly would not insist that it pushes technology to its limits. Let us look, however, to Metal Gear Solid 4. This game has a plot more unrealistic than most movies on Syfy. However, its visuals were groundbreaking for the Playstation 3, and could definitely be argued to push technology's limits. I encourage everyone to take a look at the video I've provided above to see how this game truly showed the capabilities of the PS3. It is quite clear that realism is no determinant of pushing technology. http://www.youtube.com... Your second contention is that "reality will ALWAYS be more interesting than fantasy". This is quite an opinionated assertion to be stated as a fact, and although you call those who would disagree with you "escapists", you cannot tell me that fantasy will ALWAYS seem more boring than reality. Did you enjoy the movie Grown Ups more than Lord of the Rings simply because it was technically more realistic? Again, your logic here is flawed. Your third contention is that realistic games allow people to safely experience things that they "would not normally experience". You seem to ignore the fact that UNREALISTIC games allow people to experience things that they COULD NEVER experience. Non-realistic games can include anything found in realistic games, and infinitely more. This greatly broadens the experiences that players are able to enjoy. Imagination is not bound by the same limits as reality. Now that I've again negated your use of reality as a trait of superiority, I'll move on to your claim that there are more tools in Call of Duty that support camping than in Battlefield. I'll agree with you on this. However, recall that I never argued that camping was harder in Modern Warfare 3 than in Battlefield 3, I simply stated that camping was not harder to deal with in MW3 than it was in BF3. There are certainly more tools for camping in Call of Duty, but as I've previously argued, there are also more tools to counter camping as well. Again, it is just as easy, if not easier to deal with a camper in Modern Warfare 3 than in Battlefield. Now, I'll revisit "The List", and address your arguments regarding my four points. 1) Playability Your claim that bowling is "boring", and "only fun for one or two rounds" is, again, strictly opinionated. As someone who has bowled in a league for several years, I'd like to simply state that I would much rather throw a bowling ball down an alley than skateboard off a ramp in the X-Games. I enjoy bowling more than playing football. It is not "boring" at all to me, and neither is Call of Duty. To be honest, I found the Battlefield 3 beta to be extremely boring. I'm sure you did not feel the same way. This is because we find enjoyment in different things, as do all people. Your opinion that one game is "boring" compared to another holds no grounds whatsoever because it is strictly an opinion and it does not reflect the feelings of anyone but yourself. 2) Entertainment My opponent has not refuted me in this category. All my arguments are extended. 3) Gameplay Variance You claim that you like "fewer and better designed game modes" more than "a ton of crappy game modes". Let's look at the so called "fewer and better designed game modes" of Battlefield 3. - Conquest (capture and hold flags) - Rush (attack/defend M-COM stations) - Team Deathmatch (eliminate a set number of enemy combatants) Let us now compare some of the "crappy game modes" you insist that Modern Warfare 3 is comprised of. - Domination (capture and hold flags) - Demolition (attack/defend bomb sites) - Team Deathmatch (eliminate a set number of enemy combatants) Seem familiar? It should, as these are the EXACT SAME game types. You claimed that battlefield had fewer but better modes, but how can that be if every single game type present in BF3 is ALSO present in MW3? Using your own logic, Call of Duty has an ABSOLUTE advantage over Battlefield because it includes every mode that Battlefield has, as well as an additional thirteen. You don't like Gun Game or Kill Confirmed? Not to worry, there are still eleven more game types to choose from. Modern Warfare 3 undeniably has more gameplay variance than Battlefield 3. Your arguments regarding MW3 not changing enough from its predecessors is irrelevant because we are comparing the two games individually with each other. The games before them have no impact on their superiority. 4) Online Community Claiming that "Call of Duty games are horrible and lazily designed" is again a use of personal opinion without the presentation of reason or evidence to back up your assertion. Your implication that Call of Duty is bad because it is popular is also flawed reasoning. Many things are popular BECAUSE they are good. You also conceded this point to me entirely in the last round, so any arguments made here are nullified. I have once more proven and defended that Modern Warfare 3 is the superior game over Battlefield 3 based on these four crucial categories. I would like to thank the readers for following our arguments, and I also thank my opponent for this fun debate. It was a learning experience for me as well, as this was my first debate on this site in two years, and all my others were plagued by forfeits. I hope you enjoy playing Battlefield 3 as much as you enjoy defending it. As for me, I've still got a little while to wait before Modern Warfare 3 comes out. I'm beyond eager to get hold of the game, and I hope that I've convinced others to feel just as impatient.