The Trinity is the most fundamental belief of Christian doctrine.

"""""temery2383 Pro I would like to point out that because the Pro position in this debate is that the doctrine of the Trinity is the most fundamental Christian belief, the Con position in this debate would logically be that the doctrine of the Trinity is NOT the most fundamental Christian belief (and, ideally, would suggest an alternative if that is the case). In other words, the burden of proof lies on me to prove my assertion, while your job is simply to refute my assertion.""""" Having brought up the Gnostic argument, clearly the gnostic Xtians rejected the Orthodox catholic church dogmatism. My argument: might does not make right. The catholic church murdered the gnostic church. This mass violence does not validate the dogmatism which the catholic church embraced. Many protestant church theologies likewise reject the dogmatism embraced by the catholic church. """"This debate is not about anything besides whether the Trinity is the most fundamental doctrine in Christianity. I would greatly appreciate you staying on topic."""" In point of fact the trinity concept only the dead religion continues to worship this vile mythology. "'I stated in the first round that without the Trinity, humans would have a miserable, hopeless existence '"" Bunk. The gnostic church thrived till the priests bishops and cardinals of the catholic church ordered their systematic torture and murder. The Jews of Europe prospered till the Nazis ordered their extirmination for the crime of being Jewish. ""that we were essentially only created to obey the laws that God sets in place"" Bunk this premise utterly and totally absurd. Goyim never accepted the Torah revelation at Sinai. "The Law" - the language of Paul, Goyim never were under the Law of Moses. Proof: Of simply the 10 commandments of Sinai, how many of these commandments did Moses command? LOL you do not have the slightest clue! Moses commanded 3 through 10 commandments! LOL Moses in the entire Torah commanded 611 commandments. Goyim hav never accepted any of these commandments which Moses commanded Israel. ""And what would be our motivation to follow these commands, but fear of punishment?"" Absurd question which reveals your total ignorance upon this subject. Brit - mistranslated as covenant - means alliance. For parties to cut a brit alliance requires A)terms and conditions and B)swearing a formal oath to keep and honor the terms and conditions of the brit alliances. The "motivation to follow these commands" - to participate and keep the oath brit alliance! """ "Then God said, 'Let us make man in our image, after our likeness. And let them have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over the livestock and over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth'. So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them" (Genesis 1:26-27)""" Bunk. Which God said that? The xtian bible translations never once bring the name of the God of Israel --- this error flagrantly violates the 1st commandment of Sinai! Translating the Name [the Spirit of Life] unto a word, defines the sin of the golden calf. The xtian bible translated the Name of the God of Israel into a foreign word! This action violates the 2 commandment of the Torah revelation at Sinai! ""It is clear that we are created to be image-bearers of God, to reflect His character and thus bring Him the glory that He is due."" Bunk. The god of the xtian bible ---- a completely and totally different god than the God of Israel. The strange worship known as Xtianity has no idea of what tohor means. The pathetic translations pretend that tohor translates into clean, or pure! Bunk. Tohor refers to specific defines Spirits. To worship the God of Israel requires knowledge how to pronounce the Name which exists not as a word but rather as defined Spirits!!! Torah, revealed at Sinal, teaches of 13 tohor spirits by which brit Man can dedicate unto the Name/Spirit. A spirit - not being a word - no human lips can pronounce any more than you can define the color green from the color blue. "" "AND let them have dominion." "" Over these tohor Spirits! Ooooppppssss the xtian church knows nothing of these 1 tohor spirits. "" God is triune - it is clear once again from this verse: "Let us make man in OUR image. . .""" Bunk. Gnostic xtians did not buy this mythology. Like Man can declare the nature of the Gods?! Joker, when bees and ants and worms possess the skills to declare and define human history or civilizations then and only then shall Man and his arroganct belief dogmatism shall possess the power to declare the Gods. ""Every other characteristic of God is an extension of this love"" Utter hog wash religious rhetoric! The new testament mythology repeatedly employs this term "love" but never once defines that term - any more than did Obama define the term - C H A N G E - that got that incompetent fool elected 2 terms to the White House. Love, love, love, love etc etc etc How does the Torah define the term "LOVE"? LOL you do not have the slightest clue!