The Christian God exists (3)

"We're both proposing an uncaused cause with this. Mine is the big bang, Pro's is God. The big bang is the far more likely cause because there is a lack of evidence for God, while we can see after effects of the big bang. Also, I could turn this argument right back on its head by saying "if you believe in God, then you must consider the origin of God"." -Say that their was a "big bang." Something had to start that. Why? Because it couldn't have just appeared. For example: I want to make a cake...to make that cake I (me) have to have certain ingrediants...to make that cake right? So for something to appear (i.e. Big Bang)...then someone (God) would have to form that. "Why not? If something cannot come out of nothing, then where did God come from? If he was always there, wouldn't it be simpler if the universe was always there? Why add in God? Also, the big bang and evolution are not really related, besides the fact that they're both theories." -Because their has to be some beginning to something. A random explosion that happened out of nothing is illogical. There must be a higher being to start that. In other words...something/someone that has ALWAYS been around. -I don't exactly understand what you meant about the universe always there...First off...even if that was possible, our world would have been dead LONG AGO. -You add in God, because like I said...you must have someone to always be around. (i.e. a Higher Being) -I would like to point out that you said they were theories. :) "Well, the second "fact" is not a fact at all (why did we have to come from something?), and we assume the first fact to make living life in this universe easier. How do I know that everyone else isn't a projection coming from my mind, or that life isn't all just a dream? I have to assume that this reality is, in fact, reality in order to make progress in it and better my life." -Why do we have to come from something? Because we are matter. Back to the Cake analogy...a cake is made our of flour...sugar...oil...(matter) -I don't really get what you were saying...you have to base your knowledge of what you have experienced and things like that. You have to trust reality, (this isn't the Matrix) or else you basically have no truth and everything is an illusion. "The big bang theory doesn't state that we came out of nothing, but even if it did, why are we too complex to come out of nothing? Wouldn't God have had to have come out of nothing, and isn't he much more complex than us? It's so much simpler if the universe is the uncaused cause." -I meant this: the big bang theory somehow appeared (out of nothing)...there had to be someone to start it. -How are we too complex? another example: a clock. In a clock there are springs and gears of various shapes and sizes. Without those very very specific tools...the clock would not run. But how much more complex our we than a little clock! Our bodies function just right so that life is even a possibility. examples: heart, brain, eyes, ears...organs. Those intricate little details just in our bodies are incredible. There is no way that someone (God) didn't design that. Like an artist paints a picture, God formed his world. "My point is: The origin of the world came from God. It could not have started out of randomness or could not have come out of nothing...because something or SOMEONE had to put it there." Why did this have to happen?" -First you didn't refute this -Second, like I have continued to say...there MUST be someone of a higher being (God) that formed everything. We are much too complex, and everything is so intricate that it is impossible to imagine random materials (which by the way somehow appeared out of nowhere) exploding together and magically gluing themselves into one perfect masterpiece.