Homosexuality.

Thank you for your arguments. I think we can both conclude that having same sex parents does create issues for their children in general, but that these issues are not so great that we would even consider banning same sex parents for the benefit of the children involved. My only qualm is that it adds to the 'normalisation of homosexuality' (even if only to a small degree) which I consider to be inherently evil. I also agree with you that "accepting that homosexuality is abnormal gets rid of persecution" is not entirely true. But let me explain how I think it would help. What I do think is that it is something that both parties should agree upon, for the good of everyone. Firstly, it's the biological truth, and nothing can ever change that. That's why it is the gay community that needs to change their stance. It is not possible for society to understand it as normal, because everyone knows that a boy has a penis and a girl has a vagina. Now, if both parties could agree upon this point, then it brings both parties together with a common understanding. Having something in common is an ice breaker. It opens the doorway for communication. It will mean more kids will talk to their parents. It means more parents will try and understand their kids. If everyone can say 'it's not normal but it doesn't have to be normal and we can all deal with it", then dealing with it in a satisfactory way for both parties will become a reality. Acceptance could become a reality for both sides of the story (I will talk more about homosexuals accepting themselves later). Your next point is "However, your standards of normal in a sexual sense are quite different form other"s standards of normal.". These are not my standards of normal. These are the biological standards of normal. Every part of the human body has a known biological function.The penis and the vagina are the only biological sex organs. Any other 'standards' are simple delusions to make people feel better about themselves. If we accept that homosexuality is normal, then so too must we accept that paedophilia, bestiality, necrophilia, having sex with park benches, with holes in trees is normal. I can't believe I have to debate this. The biological truth is inescapable, nothing can ever change the fact that a boy has a penis and a girl has a vagina. It is not an opinion. It is the scientifically known truth that can only be changed by delusion. You also say "However, if it was, then it would further support my assertion that homosexuality is normal because same-sex attraction is inevitable". That is not true. Same sex attraction does not make people homosexual. Everyone will contemplate a same sex attraction. Everyone will consider if they are gay or not. That doesn't make being gay normal. Everyone will contemplate having sex with their pet dog or not. In almost all cases the thought would be looked upon with disgust. But it will still be contemplated., and it certainly doesn't make bestiality normal. Your next point is "I could spend this round dissecting the entirety of their lack of validity, but characters permit me not to. ". But whatever you say can't change reality. Because there are examples of it happening already. As I said, just google "I am not gay but had gay sex". You can spend hours reading about how people were put into situations where against their better judgement they got involved with gay sex. You can read about the battle they now face for the rest of their lives. It is undeniable that normalising homosexuality will make this problem worse. The issues I documented for homosexuals did indeed address similar statistics in heterosexuals. In all of them I was comparing them to heterosexuals. In all of them homosexuals had inflated numbers, that was the whole point of listing them! You also cannot argue that the "lack of inner-peace has everything to do with the fact that we are subject to backlash and hate from countless groups". The reason for this is because the statistics are the same in homosexual friendly countries. For instance, in Denmark, where 93% of people would feel entirely comfortable with having a gay neighbour, the suicide rate amongst homosexuals is still 8 times higher than the general population . A leading Italian brain surgeon agrees with me: http://www.thelocal.it.... It is the identity crisis that gays can't deal with. It is the known biological fact that a boy has a penis, and a girl has a vagina. I don't think it would be possible to ever prove this, because you can't read people's minds. But evidence clearly shows that even with the removal of the stigma, gay activism has failed its own kind because the psychological issues persist. The 'identity crisis' issue, whilst impossible to prove, has a basis in common sense. "People are right to deny us marriage. People are right to discriminate us. In other words, my opponent is lobbying for the acceptance and "normalization" of open bigotry. And, in that case, I very much argue that bigotry is far more abnormal that homosexuality, despite hate being something so commonly occurring. " I don't think I have ever come across bigger bigotry than that spewed forth by gay activists. Your comment itself is bigotry at its worst. Bigotry is not just prejudice against a group of people. It is the intolerance of opposing views, of which this comment embodies. Besides that, homophobic people are also a group of people. If you take 'intolerance of homosexual interaction' as being homophobic (rather than just 'intolerance of homosexuals') they are a group of people much larger, and much more normal than homosexuals. So even by your definition of bigotry you are a bigot. We are both bigots. As to what is being more normal, if you ask the population if it is normal to be turned on by sticking your penis up another man's poop chute, or being repulsed by it, the truth will roast you alive. It is NOT a 'right' that you can marry someone of the same sex. You have the same marriage rights as everyone else, there is nothing stopping you from getting married. What you are asking for is something different, and it must be labelled differently because normalising homosexuality has evil consequences. Something you don't appreciate here is that repulsion to homosexual interaction is not a learned trait. Repulsion is just as naturally occurring as your attraction. Your demand for 'rights' are just as discriminatory as demands against - except they are discriminatory against a much larger section of the population. Finally, you make the point: " It continues to assume that homosexuality is wrong and that we are inferior. And, there is no way someone could say that, because there is no evidence to prove such a claim. In fact, one could argue that if we concede all points of us being inferior, we would suffer more discrimination than before." I am lost for words here. I'm sorry but my mind just boggles at your delusion. Homosexuality is inferior, and there is no getting past it. Heterosexuality can provide society with the most profound gift of new life, and yet you claim that "there is no evidence to prove such a claim". Wow, just wow. There is such a massive gulf between the equality of our sexualities, something so obvious, which has the most profound impact on society, and yet, and yet, and yet ... "there is no evidence that you are inferior". Oh. My. God. In concluding these arguments I will say that Normalising Homosexuality is an evil that we must stop imposing on society. It has been shown that the psychological problems of homosexuals persist even with the stigma significantly reduced, and that normalising homosexuality does result in more people experimenting with gay sex and the problems spreading to more of the population.