Jesus Is God

I apologize to the Con if he feels that I have violated the rules of the debate. Originally, I was simply trying to help the Con to make his argument. The Con started by proceeding from a false premise. The Con cannot have a valid argument when it is built on a false foundation. For example, if I were to say that 2 + 2 = 5, therefore, 2+2+5 = 10, I would be wrong. The correct answer would be 9. The conclusion was incorrect because we started with an incorrect statement: 2+2 = 5. In a similar way, the Con has said that Jesus must be proved all knowing. Jesus himself says that he is not all knowing. Thus, the Con has started from a false premise as I mentioned in my first post. Second, the Con wants us to prove that there is no other God but Jesus. The Con continuously relies upon Biblical reference, but I have shown that there are other "heavenly beings" that could be considered gods (lower case "god"). See Romans 8:38-39, which refers to actual living heavenly beings beyond the mere idols, we see on earth. Therefore, from the start, the Con has been proceeding from a false premise. Attempting to resort to procedural lifesavers is often the sign of a desperate argument. The Con could have made better arguments against the existence of a holy trinity, yet he has abandoned substantive arguments in favor of procedural pleas. I pointed out a fact about the Bible, which the Con claims to be ingnoratio elenchi. It is important that the Con understand the Bible since he is using Biblical references for all his "proofs." I will use humor to refute the Con"s position that Jesus cannot be the Son of God and God at the same time: I had a salad with dinner tonight. I had lettuce, cheese, dressing, and imitation bacon bits. The fact that I ate cheese, lettuce, dressing and imitation bacon bits made the salad no less of a salad! The sum of the parts still made the one salad! OK, Con, you should have fun with this one. The Con says that the concept of Jesus being the Son of God and being God is preposterous. I will refer you to the Nicene Creed to give a very accurate description of Christian monotheism as well as the Trinity. I believe in one God, the Father almighty, maker of heaven and earth, of all things visible and invisible. I believe in one Lord Jesus Christ, the Only Begotten Son of God, born of the Father before all ages. God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God, begotten, not made, consubstantial with the Father; through him all things were made. For us men and for our salvation he came down from heaven, and by the Holy Spirit was incarnate of the Virgin Mary, and became man. For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate, he suffered death and was buried, and rose again on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures. He ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father. He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead and his kingdom will have no end. I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life, who proceeds from the Father and the Son, who with the Father and the Son is adored and glorified, who has spoken through the prophets. I believe in one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church. I confess one Baptism for the forgiveness of sins and I look forward to the resurrection of the dead and the life of the world to come. Amen. See http://www.togetheratonealtar.catholic.edu.au... for a better reading of the Creed. You will notice that creed start with "we believe in One God" and then goes on to describe Jesus as being "one in being with the Father." Note that the aforementioned "God" is with an upper case "G." These parts of the Nicene Creed were decided at the first Council of Nicaea in 325 AD. Contrary to popular belief, the determination of which books would be included in the Christian Bible was probably after the first Council of Nicaea. Follow this link https://en.wikipedia.org... to learn more about the council. Therefore, here we have a "creed" that is followed by all Catholics, Orthodox Christians, and many Protestant Christians that says that there is only one God and Jesus is one with that one God. Furthermore, this "creed" pre-dates the Bible. Clearly, we are saying that there is one God and clearly we are saying that Jesus is God and at the same time, the Son of God. It is a difficult concept to grasp, but it is not irrational or preposterous except to those who choose not to believe. In the same way, such a person would say that the talking serpent of Genesis is irrational and preposterous. Alternatively, the same person would say that the Big Bang of science is irrational and preposterous. See Matthew 13:13 GNT where Jesus says, "Therefore I speak to them in parables; because while seeing they do not see, and while hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand." Note that The Father goes by many names: God, Jehovah, Yahweh, and Allah among others. In a similar manner, God goes by many forms: The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit. God is not nearly as simple as we humans are, but sometimes I wish He were, because then it would be easier to explain! See http://www.christthinker.org... on my blog for a description of the parts of the Trinity.