Baptism is the Point at which a believer becomes a Christian,

1st I want to make one comment I don't want to get into the greek because I am not as good at it. ? 1 In Acts 2:37 Were these people saved at this point? No. ? 2 Did they have saving faith in verse 37? Kind of. ? 3 And in verse 47 were these people saved at this point? Yes. ? 4 If you agreed that they were not saved in verse 37, and they had saving belief, at what point were they baptized? ??????? "Question How does Romans 6:7 fit into Rom 10:9-10? In order to be saved, the gospel must be obeyed. 2 Thess. 1:8-9, You have totally ignored that passage and grab Rom 10:8-9 saying this is my verse, and it defeats your verse. Now I know you did not verbalize that. But it comes across that way. So how do we harmonize them? It cannot be saying you can be saved either by belief or obedience to the gospel through baptism? That would be contradicting other passages in the same book and invalidate God's power to save. Thus the Atheist would have a leg to stand on, when they say the bible contradicts itself. So please explain to me how Rom 6:7 "For he who has died has been freed from sins." Fits into Rom 10:9-10. I will go deeper into this in my next post, I just don't have the space in this post. Next can an unrepented sinner, be saved? Does Rom 10:9-10 command repentance verbally? How does Rom 10:9-10 Harmonize with Luk 13:3? In the same way you harmonize the command to repent, I can harmonize baptism." ??????? I never said anything about harmonizing them their in two completly different Chapters besides you asked me at what point and i told you my belief plus when you asked me this question was before you even qouted romans 6:7 you asked me a question I answered it if you don't like my answer thats not my problem "Question: Were these People aware of their spiritual state in Matt 7:21" I don't know what does it matter??????? "It would be illogical to obey God if a person is not believing as John 3:16 teaches." Exactly my point. "I have heard the theif on the cross argument all my life, and it is rather Simple I will answer this in 2 ways that harmonize. 1.Heb 9:16-17, For where there is a testament, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator. 17 For a testament is in force after men are dead, since it has no power at all while the testator lives. Note which covenant was the thief on the cross under? The answer is simple, the covenant of Moses. When did the Covenant of Christ come into effect? According to the Hebrew writer, After Christ resurrection. Well then was the thief under the new testament of Christ? The bible teaches he was dead, therefore the thief on the cross was not a qualified candidate for Christian baptism, sense he was he died before the Christian era. 2.I proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that when a person today is baptized into Christ, that he is baptized into his death, It would have been impossible for the thief to be baptized into the death of Christ, sense Christ has not yet died, or been buried or resurrected. Not Lets Get More proofs that a person must be baptized into Christ in order to be d=saved. I want you all to turn your bible to Rom. 8:2, "For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death." I want everybody to notice the Location, IN CHRIST!!!" ἐν this is the Greek characters, In English is looks like this en, It means IN, which indicates Location of the individual. Strongs dictionary means "location. inside" Where must one be located in order to be freed from the law of sin and death? Inside Christ, In Christ which say the same thing. 1Cor 1:30,But of Him you are in Christ Jesus, who became for us wisdom from God--and righteousness and sanctification and redemption-- Now the same word in, which indicates Location of the individual is used here. The Point is Only those who are IN CHRIST JESUS our Lord are in a saved state. So How does one get into Christ to be in this saved state? Gal. 3:27 For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. & Rom 6:3-4 "Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death? 4 Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life teach us how one gets into Christ." The word Into, means the process of moving from one point into another, With a view towards, and to enter into. In both places baptism is what puts one into Christ, which teaches beyond a shadow of an doubt, that one enters Christ. If baptism puts one into Christ, (which it does) Than baptism of a believer in Christ is the point of their salvation." Consider the Apostle Paul. (Please read verses 1-18) Correct my points if they are not facts. 1.Saul wanted to arrest Christians and got the authority to do so. Vs 1-3 2.Jesus appears to him on the road to Damascus, and identifies Himself as the person Paul is persecuting. Vs 4-5 3.Saul is terrified and asked Jesus what Jesus would have him do? Vs 6 4.Saul was three days without food or site. Vs 8-9 5.Jesus instructs Ananias and says Saul is Praying. Vs 11-12 6.Ananias went his way and did what God instructed him to. Vs 13-17 7.Paul is baptized for the remission of his sins according Acts 22:16, Paul fasted and prayed in his blind state and the guilt of his sin still remained until he was baptized. Only one baptism Eph. 4:5, and that baptism is how one obeys the gospel of Christ, which is God's power to save, and how one gets into Christ, and Saul who became the Apostle Paul, had to be baptized, (even though he fasted and Prayed), He still needed to be baptized in order to get his sins forgiven, in order to get into Christ , and his saving belief, could not do it alone, but propelled him into obedience to the gospel that did save him." Response 1 Ha even worse if he's under the mosaic law then he would have to go through all the sacrifices and rituals for atonement thats even harder then baptism but thats not what he did so what did he do believe with his heart and confess with his mouth "9 because if you confess with your lips that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For one believes with the heart and so is justified, and one confesses with the mouth and so is saved."Romans 10:9-10 (New Revised Standard) Response 2 Ok lets take it one step at a time "34 "So do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will bring worries of its own. Today's trouble is enough for today." Matthew 6 (New Revised Standard) lets compare agreed we must obey the gospel "8 in flaming fire, inflicting vengeance on those who do not know God and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. 9 These will suffer the punishment of eternal destruction, separated from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his might," 2 Thessalonians 1:8-9 (New Revised Standard) the question is how do we obey the gospel?????? you said "3 Do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? 4 Therefore we have been buried with him by baptism into death, so that, just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, so we too might walk in newness of life. 5 For if we have been united with him in a death like his, we will certainly be united with him in a resurrection like his. 6 We know that our old self was crucified with him so that the body of sin might be destroyed, and we might no longer be enslaved to sin. 7 For whoever has died is freed from sin." Romans 6:3-7 (New Revised Standard) I said "9 because if you confess with your lips that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For one believes with the heart and so is justified, and one confesses with the mouth and so is saved." Romans 10:9-10 (New Revised Standard)