Abortion is Wrong

"I will not be replying again to your "human" argument. You clearly do not understand what I have said and therefore I will only respond to your ignorant statement with a question: if a person is disabled and in a wheelchair and requiring someone to look after them, are they also not human since they cannot help themselves or live on their own? " - If I have no idea what I am talking about, then why don't you absolutely obliterate me? Answer to your question: Irrelevant to this debate. "Foetuses do eat- they are fed nutrients by their mother. Just because it doesn't go through their mouth doesn't mean anything." - Actually, this is what decides the debate completely. Fetuses are not indepent beings. This means they are not human beings. This is why they are not human beings. Since they have nutrients forced into them, they are not independent. They are not human beings then. "They are also given oxygen by their mother- there is no air bubble inside the mother so they can't use their lungs even when they're developed. This doesn't make them part of some other species. Please try to understand that a baby/foetus can't be anything but human." - As I stated before, the fact that o2 is forced into them makes them not independent. And as I stated before, you have to be independent to be a human being. Since no fetus is independent until late in the pregnancy, therefore, they are not human beings. "A foetus is not "nails and hair". It is alive and growing and developing. And viruses are not cellular organisms, or they would be alive." - What is the point of this? You asked for examples of things that are not living, yet still grow. I gave you 3 examples. "What is the difference between breast/bottle feeding and being fed through an umbilical cord? Don't sick people have to be fed intravenously through tubes when they can't eat? By your reasoning, a sick person is not a human being." - The baby is independent, the fetus isn't. The baby can choose to eat, the fetus can't. "I'm going to skip all your arguments that imply the foetus is not human or alive because they are irrelevant, as evidence points to a foetus actually being human and alive." - What? Your entire argument is that abortion is murder, but murder only applies to human beings. My point is that fetuses are not human beings, so abortion isn't murder. "In Ireland, abortion is illegal, but doctors cannot refuse treatment to pregnant mothers. Therefore they are forced to work to their utmost to protect both mother and baby. Abortion is not offered as a solution because it is not needed. While the child may die inadvertently due to the treatment, the chances of this are far lower than if every sick mother was offered abortion instead. Ireland has been quoted, by the UN, to be one of the safest places in the world to have a baby. World renowned cancer expert Dr Fr"d"ric Amant says, "In the case of cancer complicating a pregnancy, termination of pregnancy does not improve maternal prognosis."(1)" - Completely irrelevant. As for your rape point, your argument is that many women don't want abortions when they were raped, so no women can get an abortion when they were raped. This is obviously flawed, because you are ignoring the women who do? They were forced to have a pregnancy. Why should they go through the physical, emotional pain, and the feeling of embarrassment because you don't like abortion? You talk about mental health; what about the mental health of a person who was denied an abortion because they were raped? How will they feel? You completely dropped my cancer argument, my young girl argument, my save the life of the mother argument, and my financial argument. To conclude, my opponent shot himself in the foot early on. They said, "Abortion should be banned in all circumstances." This severely weaken their position, as I pointed out several examples of where abortion should be allowed, and at what time. If Pro agreed with only one of these examples, they lose, as they agree that abortion can be allowed sometimes, so it isn't wrong. Perhaps my strongest point came from TheWorldIsComplicated. He said, "What if the women had cancer, and the treatment would kill the fetus but save the mother, but not giving the treatment would kill both." Simple math tells us to give the cancer treatment, as this would save one life, as opposed to losing 2. He also dropped several other examples, so I effectively won. I provided examples of where abortion should be legal, so abortion shouldn't always be illegal. I also showed that in order for something to be alive, it had to follow the 7 characteristics of life. Fetuses didn't follow these characteristics, so they are not alive. They also are not human beings, as they are not independent, so abortion isn't murder. I will end with a question to the voters: If you were a kid, and your mom was going to die in childbirth, would you let her get an abortion? Sources above and in comments.