Hulk Vs Spiderman (Hulk wins)

CONTENTION #1(rebuttals) 1. Con keeps stating that he will bring in cosmic powered Spiderman to compensate for an angry Hulk, but let me point out that the Hulk's strength raising with his anger is part of his power-set whereas Spiderman with his cosmic power is not. He cannot obtain that power at will while the Hulk can easily amp up his strength a few minutes into battle. 2. My opponent is twisting the facts here. It's a verified fact that Spiderman has a strength level of 10 tons (. http://marvel.wikia.com...(Earth-616), the scans he provided showed Spiderman in an extremely aggravated situations (he was saving himself from getting crushed and in the latter case, he was agitated about Aunt May's surgery). As con himself stated putting Spiderman into the battlefield with anything more than normal strength is unfair. By the time Spiderman gets infuriated enough to get strong as a base-level Hulk, the Hulk will be strong enough to take on Marvel Gods. 3. Con tries to manipulate my answer here, my response was "Reed Richards has been able to calm the Hulk a couple of times, once as a plot device and another time using an anti gamma energy gun. I am not going to elaborate on Banner since they are both are both personalities in a single mind and it would be really hard to explain. But yes Banner was able to calm the Hulk down on several occasions due to obvious reasons. " As you can see I stated exactly why both individuals were/are able to calm the Hulk down. Also the scans in which Spiderman calms the Hulk down, my opponent fails to mention the presence of a certain gamma field. As there was no such arrangement agreed in this battle, it is irrelevant. The second scan does show Hulk trusting Spiderman but it does not show him reverting back to Bruce Banner which means the Hulk is no way vulnerable to a surprise attack by Spiderman. 4. I am sorry your statement "As long as Spider-Man does not attempt to fight the Hulk or anger him in any way, we are guaranteed no direct confrontation" negates a ‘versus' situation and invalidates the whole argument. CONTENTION #2 (rebuttals) 1. A usually ‘versus' battle rules include the stipulation that any attempt by either of the opponent to leave the battlefield will result in automatic win for the contender. Here Spiderman's ploy to postpone the fight would result in a loss in the current fight. He could come later with additional equipment and manage to succeed in defeating Hulk, but that involves a second fight and does not qualify as the original fight. And as far as conjectures go, isn't your argument that Spiderman might be able to calm the Hulk down based on previous situations a conjecture? 2. I will give my own definition of PIS: Plot Induced Stupidity, or PIS, is when characters don't use their abilities or skills to the fullest extent as shown before, even within their personality ranges, for the sake of the story plotline. It makes lesser powered characters an actual challenge against higher powered characters in the comics. Examples of PIS include Flash stories lasting longer than three panels, or Toy Man as a threat to Superman. Standard ‘vs' fights exempt the contestants from PIS unless otherwise specified. My opponent tries to say that PIS is irrelevant here but since this is a comic book debate we need to adhere to comic book rules. Unless you have evidence showing a feat by Spiderman which equals him defeating another being of FireLord's level, it can only be taken as a one-off anomaly by the writer. Additional Rebuttals: a. If Spiderman's spider sense enable him to calculate every move, that means he should never get hit. But I don't have to elaborate on the number of times Spiderman is got badly beaten, even by comparatively slow opponents like the Sandman and Rhino. Also assuming his Spider sense allows him to dodge very hit, it won't stop someone as fast FireLord from landing punches since he is faster than light and even thought process is not faster than light. So unless Spiderman had physical speed to match his spider sense, it's not really helpful in the above fight (vs Firelord). Pro's Case rebuttals: 1. Even a thunderclap at Hulk's base level is enough to shatter an eardrum at close range. So unless Spiderman was a considerable distance away, even a weak thunderclap would stun him. 2. If Spiderman finds a way to knock the Hulk without agitating him at the same time, it will be a miracle. I don't see how he can avoid fighting and knock Hulk out the same time. 3. As for Thor's reflexes matching Spiderman's, examples include: catching bullets in mid-flight, hitting Silver Surfer (a herald with light-speed) etc. Cross Examination Rebuttals: Question #1 Since Con didn't answer accurately enough, I will provide scenarios of Hulk vs Spiderman, as far as I know: a. ASM#14: Hulk wins Hulk 1 Spider-man 0 b. Spider-man annual#3: Draw: Hulk doesnï¿½t try to smash Spiderman at the end and he just lets Hulk go so nobody really wins. c. ASM#119-120: Hulk wins Hulk 2 Spider-man 0 d. WOS #44/Hulk #349- Hulk wins Hulk 3 Spider-man 0 e. ASM#328: Spiderman wins twice Hulk 3 Spider-man 2 f. WOS #69- Hulk nearly drowns Spiderman Hulk wins: Hulk 4 Spider-man 2 Final Results: Hulk 4, Spiderman 2 (I couldn't provide details because of character limit) As you can see, the only time Spiderman gains a definitive win over the Hulk is when he had the cosmic power. Question #2 By base strength I mean starting strength. The statement that Spiderman has a strength level of 100 tons is absurd and a mere conjecture on the part of con. Please show official evidence (either from a comic book or other reliable sources) citing he has anywhere near that strength level Question#4 If you are saying that Hulk at his weakest is less durable than Hulk, it entirely untrue. While hulk has been shown capable of withstanding 50-calibre bullets at this weakest, Spiderman is shown as being vulnerable to shotgun bullets. Conclusion So unless Spiderman can repeatedly hit Hulk with punches stronger than missiles before the Hulk can get angry (which takes a comparatively short time), he has no chance to knock out the Hulk. You also take into account the Hulk's regenerative powers, so any damage the Spiderman does manage to inflict will almost instantly be healed. But this is not the case for Spiderman, a hit by Hulk can easily cause considerable damage and since he has limited healing abilities, he will be in serious trouble and will quickly run out of stamina and strength, ultimately causing him to lose the battle. Scans: Hulk's thunder clap is stronger than any hurricane ever recorded: . http://i30.photobucket.com... Hulk stops the "unstoppable" Juggernaut: . http://i30.photobucket.com... Dog o' War (a mechanical dog created by Maestro that can crush adamantium in 7.3 seconds) fights the Hulk and tries to bite his head off but he doesn't even pierce the hulk's skin: . http://i30.photobucket.com... Dr. Doom says nothing in the universe can break through his invisible force field. .. .obviously he's never met the Hulk: . http://i30.photobucket.com... Hulk breaks Thor's hammer. : . http://i30.photobucket.com... Hulk stops a Boeing 747 without much effort: . http://i30.photobucket.com... Hulk beats up the High Evolutionary: . http://i30.photobucket.com... . http://i30.photobucket.com... . http://i30.photobucket.com... . http://i30.photobucket.com... . http://i30.photobucket.com... Hulk takes out Spidey with a simple clap: . http://i30.photobucket.com...