Nationalizing Health care

My opponent states: "The HMO act of 1973 was NOT nationalized health care. " Sure it is not Nationalized healthcare but the point of my entire argument is that almost everything the government touches fails, education is a perfect example of that. The fact is, is that the very same brilliant minds who came up with the HMO act to help the "Poor Americans" who can't afford the medicine are the same exact people who are telling us now that we need a universal healthcare to help the poor Americans. Let me ask you this one question and please answer it honestly would you want your government to take over college education? To help those poor Americans who can't afford higher education? My opponent-"Government intervention does NOT mean nationalized health care. " It is Government intervention, if the Government intervenes in our lives or the free market it is indeed Government intervention is it not? My opponent-"Because the HMO act of 1973 was not nationalized health care, it is also a problem with the status quo, where the insurance companies have so much power. " I think you are misunderstanding my argument, I do NOT support the current status quo i support a healthcare other than a healthcare ran by buerocrats. Here is another question i will ask you. Do you believe that somehow the medicine is magically going to cost less if Government takes over? It will cost government just as much as it costs insurance companies do you believe that the government is going to magically make it costs less? The government has to buy the same products from the same people will they not? So, then doesn't mean it will cost just as much or more to fund the government ran program? Living in California I have come to the realization that government promises to fund something using your tax payers is just a big joke. They promise you something and then what do they do? They use your tax money and spend it on something else other than the thing you wanted them to fund. What you must understand in that the Government is made up of people too. My opponent-"The average Cuban most likely wants to flee to the US due to the limited economic opportunities in the country, not due to health care considerations. " Here is a quote from a Cuban Human Rights Activist: "These films(sicko) that try to portray the health care system as superior to that of the U. S. are lacking in truth," Carro said. He asserts that most hospitals for Cuban citizens are dilapidated, that conditions are filthy and that patients are so neglected that some are starving. " How about another? This quote comes from George Utset who runs an Anti Castro website. George Utset-"Moore's group didn't go to the hospital for regular Cubans. They go to the hospital for the elite and it's a very different condition. " Another, this one is from Darsi Ferrer a human rights activist in Cuba. Darsi Ferrer- "ordinary Cubans are "crazy with desperation" over the horrendous state of their health care. " More and more and more quotes enjoy now is time to see the truth of Cuban healthcare. Julio Alfonso-"We personally used to do 70 to 80 abortions a day. " Yanet Sanchez(Cuban exile)-"was simply told to submit to an abortion. They told me I should end the pregnancy. It was my very first pregnancy. I wanted to have the child. " Other Cuban doctors say that if the infant dies the first few hours of living, they do NOT count it as ever been living. This is to make their healthcare seem like it is better when it isn't. . http://abcnews.go.com... Cuba's Health care is great isn't it? Read all about it its quite interesting. My opponent- "oldest women (age 125) lives in a rural tribe in Brazil. " I find this curious I have not heard anything about these super old people in Brazil, so I tried to look it up on the internet and didn't find anything about the issue. So I am curious of where you got this information. My opponent-"government to efficiently distribute medicine, thus the price for medicine in the US will similarly drop. " How will evenly distributing medicine bring medicine costs down? My opponent-"I'm saying there will be an economic benefit. I agree taxes will increase but because health insurance costs are gone" What I am saying is that the Government isn't going to magically bring Medicine costs down they will still costs Americans the same amount some of us more. For exp: The richest of us will more than likely pay in taxes 10 times higher(or more) than insurance companies would have them pay. The Middle class would pay slightly more than they would paying for insurance the only people this universal healthcare would help is the poor (The least productive of society) So in other words government evenly distributes medicine but doesn't evenly distribute the amount of money the taxpayer pays. My opponent-"No, a nationalized health care system does not mean the government forces you to go to check ups" The Obama Health plan is differant from the French the French still use Insurance companies like I stated in my last argument. The Obama plan will most resemble Canadian universal healthcare which does enforce annual mandatory check ups. . http://www.cmaj.ca... According to the Canadian Medical Association the Canadians are forced for regular check ups. My opponent-"That is not nationalized health care because that is the government putting the health care of the veterans in the hands of these companies, not the government. Exactly the opposite of nationalized health care. 3)The veterans treatment is detrimental because of the inefficiencies in the status quo, which the nationalized health care will fix. " No, you are wrong government does not place the hands of our veterans to the insurance companies. The VA is directly funded by the government that is indeed what universal healthcare. A big government agency funded by government. My opponent-"The quote means that money is really not a problem because the salary difference is not large at all. What the American doctors are frustrated with is the negotiations with insurance companies and actually getting the salary in the first place. Thus as the quote concludes, American doctors are more than willing to switch to a universal health care system. " In 1995 a study showed that the average American Doctor gets paid twice as much as the average Canadian Doctor and more facts about the issue, many Canadian Phsycists cross the border to do the same work to pursue higher pay. . http://en.wikipedia.org... My opponent- ")Evidence for doctors running across borders please? 2)The waiting list in the US is actually a lot longer than Canada's. Thus relatively, Canada's system is better. 3)Americans are actually going to Canada because of its better health care. It's common for people to go to Canada and buy drugs due to its extremely low price. Also, medical checkups are also relatively cheaper. 4)"Can last an entire 9 months" so you are saying that because there was maybe a couple of extreme cases where it lasted out that long that this will happen everytime? Again, the average waitlist time in the US is longer than that in Canada" 1) Evidence above 2)No, the fact is and I mean FACT is that the waiting list(In Canada) generally is much longer than the waiting list in America to get basic medical needs. . http://www.econedlink.org... 3) You mean illegal immigrants and the poorest of the poor americans are going to Canada for care. Not for the care itself but for the cheaper costs. 4)Do you admit there is cases of Canadians waiting 9 months for an appointments? (Thats what it sounds like to me =D.