Conservatism vs Liberalism

First I would like to make some general statements: 1. Yeet still has not provided any sources. 2. I do not think that I explained myself sufficiently in the last argument. It is well known that the government uses taxes to pay for various services and programs. The government determines which programs it wants and taxes accordingly. This is how it works throughout most of the world. If one (such as Yeet) is advocating for a lower tax system, they should also be advocating for a much smaller government, or a government that spends less (NationalPriorities says that the US spends $600 billion dollars on military, more than any other country in the world, even China and Russia). The government uses taxes to provide for the people. Those who inhabit nordic countries are not happy that they pay taxes, they are happy that many things are provided for them for free, including college. If our government taxes less, expect a reduction in social security payments, the military, infrastructure, quality of hospitals, etc. As before, I am going to pick apart Yeet's argument point by point. 1. "Firstly, I would like to say that I DID NOT SAY that decreasing interest rates HURTS the economy i specifically said lowering taxes while keeping interest rates down is a POSITIVE approach not a negative one. [sic]" Yes, you did not say that decreasing interest rates hurt the economy, but you grouped that with other contentious points so any other person would have thought that it was a debatable topic. And no, you did not specifically say that. You insinuated that, which is quite different. 2. "This is humorous considering there is a direct correlation between higher taxes and less economic growth. . . If you tax the middle class more/and or regulate and tax businesses more no matter how much money you say we have received we have lost more in the long run. When a middle class family is paying over 20% plus in taxes while working a part time job they simply spend less. . . When the middle class is spending more money, contributing to the economy and working for a higher wage the whole country is happy. An increase tax on people making over $300,000 is obviously needed but a higher tax on people who are the work horses of this country is not." Well I find it humorous that this is (1) not the case, and (2) you have again used no facts or sources to back this up. Catherine Mulbrandon from Visualizing Economics put together a nice graph (http://thegreatrecession.info...) portraying the economic growth under democratic and republican presidents. It is clearly shown that under democratic presidents (which tend to be more liberal, and therefor impose greater taxes) that the income growth rate increases by a significant amount among all economic statuses. This disproves Yeet's theory that taxes hurt the middle class (or anybody really). And to address Yeet's claim that the country is doing bad because people are not investing enough into the economy, I suggest Yeet read my last argument, which stated that the DOW has increased by 185% since 2009, and the NASDAQ has increased by 313% since 2009 (Bureau of Labor and Statistics). Yeet has supplied no proof that huge taxes are not beneficial to a nation. 3. "Another point I have is about college, why hasn't Obama done anything to help college students? Why hasn't he implemented a loan forgiveness system where you can pay some of your college debt then become 'freed' from this debt? Why is that democrats are considered the 'progressives' when most of what they stand for isn't? This simple loan forgiveness program would help college students come out of college with a job and a career! Unfortunately the 'progressives' have failed once again." Well, I am sorry to announce that Yeet is straight up wrong about this. Yet another case of someone not doing their homework. President Obama signed the Health Care and Educational Reconciliation Act in 2010, which among other things increasing the Pell Grant scholarship awards (which gives money to those who need it to get to college),loans for new borrowers would be eligible to be forgiven to those who make timely payments after 20 years, and used several billion dollars to fund schools that mostly serve poor and minority students, as well as increasing community college funding (Wikipedia). So, in fact, Obama has actually done a lot to help college students, and even implemented some of the ideas that Yeet has suggested. The only way to get college cheaper is to have the government subsidize colleges, and if that is what you want then vote for Bernie Sanders. Yeet's argument was both baseless and senseless. 4. "Unfortunately millions are STILL unemployed. While you have repeatedly said that we should kill the middle class and give more tax breaks to the reach which id what Obama has done, I disagree. While you have stated that the middle class is useless and that higher taxes HELP the economy I disagree. While this president has allowed millions of jobs to go over seas, I believe there's a solution. The solution is not a trade war. The solution is ending China's manipulation of their currency, lowering the business tax rate, lowering the corporate tax and ending corporate inversion. Democrats have long been associated with helping the wealthy with allowing corporate inversion to occur." Well, I just might use up my remaining characters disproving nearly everything about this. For every first-world country there are millions of people unemployed, and that is just how it is always going to be. According to 'factcheck.org', the unemployment rate under Obama has dropped by 5% since he has taken office. And I don't know if Yeet has noticed any of the candidates in the presidential race, but the most progressive democratic runner, Bernie Sanders, has said repeatedly that corporations and (most importantly) rich people need to be taxed more: "And yes, my policies will demand that the top one percent and the largest corporations in this country start paying their fair share of taxes. (Bernie Sanders)" Also, I have absolutely NOT 'stated' that the middle class is useless. Why would any reasonable person 'state' that? The middle class is the most important part of America, and it what America stands for. The last thing any American would want to do is jeopardize that. I do not know what Yeet means by a trade war. I do not know what Yeet means when he says that China in manipulating our currency. The health of the worldwide economy has always followed the health of the dollar (the Great Depression is and example), and it has not followed the Chinese Renminbi. As I have said before, taxes are both proven to increase the happiness of the people within the country and proven to grow the economy better than a conservative tax system. I think that everyone of all race, creed, and color gives 100% support behind ending corporate inversion. At least both Yeet and I do. And as we have covered before, Democrats have not been associated with helping the wealthy ( In fact, even 'republicanviews.org' says that democrats believe "in cutting taxes for the middle and lower classes and raising them for the upper class"). In conclusion, nearly everything thing that Yeet has said has been disproven, and none of his/her arguments have been supported with fact. Liberals believe that the government is needed to achieve equal opportunity and equality for everyone. It is the duty of the government to alleviate social ills, and to protect civil liberties and individual and human rights. I really enjoyed this debate and I congratulate Yeet on getting around to finish it with me.