Resolved: Gun Ban in the US

Thank you Feu! ___ Rebuttals of defence: 2nd amendment "I know that it might now be a good law, but I have shown what Socrates have said about a law, even a bad law is a law." Socrates is amazing I have to admit, but quoting from him isn't exactly 'proof', just another opinion. With that being said, yes, even a bad law is still a law, but if we know that it's a bad law, we have the ability to change it. This debate is on whether we should ban guns, which means changing the law. We are not debating about whether allowing guns at the moment is a good law or a bad law. Americans "love" guns "Americans love guns. Here is a chart for it [27]." That is really an excellent source that you have found, please let me quote some statistics from it: Do you favor or oppose stricter gun control laws? (16-19/06/16, CNN/ORC Poll) Favor 55% Oppose 42% Unsure 3% " Do you support or oppose a nationwide ban on the sale of assault weapons? (21-27/06/16, ABC News/Washington Post Poll) Support 59% Oppose 37% Unsure 4% (16-20/12/15) Support 58% Oppose 38% Unsure 4% " As we can see, the majority of Americans favour stricter gun control laws and support a nationwide ban on the sale of assault weapons. Therefore we can conclude that Americans do not love guns. "It is shown that 90% of Americans do not want to ban guns." You have misinterpreted your own source. That 90% statistic only applies to people who do not want to prevent "all" Americans from owning guns and does not refer to a general gun ban, which your source also states that Americans favour. "Actually, if you look at the chart of the stricter gun control chart, More strict fell by 23% then what it was supposed to be. Kept as now went up by 16%. Less strict went up by 9 percent (...) Americans now want gun controls to be less strict than before." You can't compare present statistics with statistics from 1990! It took me a while to see where you got your calculations from. (This is from source labelled 15 for those who don't know.) From the exact same chart, if we compare 2015 and 2016, this is what we get: Should the gun laws be more strict or less strict? More strict- increased by 8% Less strict- decreased by 5% Keep as now- decreased by 3% This means that more and more Americans in fact, want stricter gun control. I have refuted your point. "And also, they didn"t do this thing on all of the people in the U.S., only 100 people to make a percentage. 100 people are quite unreliable. Therefore, this source is unreliable." Oh, you've misinterpreted the chart, I'll explain to you now. At the beginning of every chart, there is a percentage sign above each column of numbers. It just saves them from writing out '%' every single time. It doesn't mean that there are literally only 100 people in the sample space. Therefore, my source isn't unreliable! Self-defense "First of all, how are suicides the main problem. They want to suicide, no one is forcing them (...) Who cares if it is getting increased? It just means that more people want to suicide." People commit suicide because they are too weak-minded to face their troubles and look for an easy solution. Guns encourage suicide in the US [5][6] as I explained in my previous rounds. If we ban guns, people who want to commit suicide but are too scared to face pain will be forced to solve their issues and as a result, strengthen their character. This will make stronger minded people and benefit the American society. "there were around 70,000 self-defense cases (...) we shouldn"t ban guns, or else all of these cases of self-defense will not be there, and those people will get killed, or robbed." I'll give you another analogy. That's just like saying that the driving age should be lowered to 13 because even though a lot of young teens will be terrible at driving and immature, if there are some who are mature and responsible enough, then it is absolutely okay because at least they will benefit. Ridiculous, right? Gun Culture "I did show a source that Americans love guns. Therefore my opponent"s assertion is wrong." You just quoted from my source (15) which was unreliable because you compared 2016 with 1990 rather than with more recent statistics like I did. Therefore, I have proven that most Americans are in favour of gun control. Actually, let's look at the definition of 'love': "Love- a feeling of strong or constant affection for someone [or something]" [17] I don't know why you asserted that "Americans 'love' guns". "My opponent basically concedes that not every single firearm will be banned." In the UK, guns are banned but the police force still carries firearms for security reasons [18]. This is the case for most countries who ban guns. Waste of time "criminals do not follow rules, and engage in illegal activities. Because they don"t follow the rules as they are criminals, so they will have their guns." Yes but if they are caught, they will be imprisoned and tried at court. That's the difference between banning guns and allowing them. More criminals being put in prison because of illegal gun ownership means that less criminals will possess firearms. "I don"t see how I contradicted myself in that statement." At the beginning, you explained how laws must be followed simply because they are a law. Then all of a sudden, you say rules shouldn't exist because they will be broken. That is what I don't get. Gun Crime "Sorry, I said that wrong. First of all, we are not sure that it is because of guns, but logically, 99% of the time, as guns are the only thing that changed in that scenario, gun bans cause more crimes." 99% of the time, are you sure? Can you please stop guessing random percentages and figures and provide some sort of source to support your claims! I am going to restate that in the United States of America, it has been proven that states with less guns and stricter gun control experience less crimes [7]. We are debating about the US and from my source, it is only logical for the safety of the American citizens that guns should be banned. Economy "if we ban guns, then the companies will be banned also. My opponent also fails to refuted about the money to the economy" That is very true, I didn't think of that earlier. Banning guns will have some sort of an affect on the US economy. Therefore, I propose that they start to slowly phase in gun control while creating new jobs for the current workers in the firearm industry. Once that is completed, a full gun ban should be implemented as soon as possible. Con's conclusion "my opponent says I made bare assertions, when clearly I didn"t, and you can"t source every single thing you can write, and sometimes you just need to use your logic." I don't think statements such as "Americans love guns", "it will cost more money to ban guns" and "if Americans have a license, then the gun crimes will increase by a lot of percent" classify as 'logic' without adequate and sufficient proof to support it. "In most of my arguments, my opponent just ticks out one or two wrong things and misses the point of my argument" I actually go through every single one of your sentences very carefully. The problem with your writing and I'm sure many people will agree with me is that you waffle way too much. You state your point and then say it over and over again just using different wordings until it becomes a large paragraph. I've noticed that you quite frequently, you use one whole paragraph to describe something that could have been said in one sentence. Repeating yourself like five times in succession doesn't make your points any stronger! I rebut everything I can and everything else is just repeating the same thing I said last so I don't see the point of saying it again. Conclusion Guns should definitely be banned in the US as it reduces crime, will reduce suicide, reduce accidents especially with young children, it's bad for defence and finally, Americans do NOT love guns. I would like to thank Feu for this debate, win or lose, I immensely enjoyed it. Thank you for reading. Vote Pro! Citations: [17] http://www.merriam-webster.com... [18] https://en.m.wikipedia.org...