A creator of the universe does exist.

^o^. I'm going to love this one. Ok first of all, recognize that you have the burden of proof, therefore if you fail to prove the existence of a creator of the universe then I win by default. Now to rebut your arguments.... Ok I'm going to bracket this whole set of statements to make a point { "DNA is the proof. DNA is hard coded logic in a cell which is alive. To say that the world derived by chance (big bang theory and other theories), is to say that material (or matter) came before logic. This is simply impossible. If I we're to mash up the exact composition of a human body in basic elements (water, carbon, etc.) it still would not be a human. It is the logic that creates us and dictates what we will become. But who created this complex logic, which puts computer software complexity to shame?" ""DNA is the proof. DNA is hard coded logic in a cell which is alive" First of all, that doesn't prove anything. There goes an ad populum fallacy among Christians, believing that a creator of the life on earth implies a creator of the UNIVERSE. For example, we create computers with "hard coded logic," but does that necessarily mean we created the UNIVERSE. And still, how does logic imply a creator in the first place? O.o "To say that the world derived by chance (big bang theory and other theories), is to say that material (or matter) came before logic." No..... Where the heck are you going with this? This doesn't make any sense. First of all the creation of the world isn't what the big bang theory talks about. Second of all, you contradicted yourself as before you stated that DNA (which of course is made out of matter) is logic while going about how the matter that makes it up came afterward. "It is the logic that creates us and dictates what we will become. But who created this complex logic, which puts computer software complexity to shame?" Who did? http://en.wikipedia.org... } That did not pertain to this debate WHATSOEVER... "An atheist would have to argue that the logic came from material. In other words the elements came together somehow to create this logic. It just doesn't make sense to the human mind. If you believe this, you have more faith in atheism than I do in Christianity." Explain to me how this has anything to do with the creation of the universe? Also, you might want to reconsider your whole "logical" argument, as you are constantly putting the term out of context. http://en.wikipedia.org... As far as a functioning system goes, you've got to be kidding me. There are many natural functioning systems that didn't require a creator like the solar system or the water cycle. Yet again though, this in no way pertains to this debate. "Think of everything created in this world. What was the root cause of all these things, matter or logic?" 'Twas matter my friend. "Of all man made things you must say logic because someone had to think of it before bringing it into fruition." Well what about things that aren't man made like the moon or the sun. And what the heck does this have to do with the topic? "But what about all natural things? If it is alive and has cells, you must argue it derived from logic as well. But who created the logic?" No comment. Ok, all I have to say is my opponent has failed to prove that the universe has a creator. Actually he has yet to give an argument that talks about a creator of the universe. Rather, he babbles about a creator of life. According to him: Life's creator = Universe's creator That argument is terribly invalid. Life's creator could have been part of the universe. Heck, that's like saying WE created the universe just because we create computers. Also, the existence of patterns or mechanical systems doesn't imply a creator as well. I gave the water cycle as an example. That will do for now :)