Mongeese's Ultimate Team War

I'm going to respond to my opponent's strategies out of order, because doing so makes it easier for me to formulate my rebuttals. <"My opponent clearly has unlimited abilities over time. Therefore, he has broken the rules."> I mean, I already addressed this; it's as if my opponent is sticking his fingers in his ears and yelling "I CAN'T HEAR YOU!" <"As for the Mewtwo thing, Mewtwo does not use a spoon in the anime."> Spoons are an object; not an ability. <"Doctor Manhattan clearly has unlimited abilities."> ...I mean, there's absolutely no rationale here. My opponent is just making an unsupported claim. I've already addressed the argument that Manhattan has unlimited abilities, so my opponent is essentially rehashing his argument -- he's using points which I've already addressed. <"Superman can hear things around the world. I'm pretty sure that that's the limit. Superman's heat vision cannot vaporize things that cannot be vaporized. They also cannot go through an atmosphere that does not support vaporization."> The fact that my opponent actually answered these questions is telling me that he misunderstands my argument. I wasn't at all trying to say that Superman has unlimited abilities; I was saying that questions such as the ones my opponent asked are futile. I then asked questions of the same fashion to him to help show why -- but my opponent seemingly didn't realized that, and answered the questions anyway, and in doing so, helped show the futility of his own questions. So...thanks. As I said: "if Doctor Manhattan is against the rules by your logic, then so would Superman be." ...since Superman isn't against the rules, then Manhattan mustn't be, either. <"My opponent claims that Doctor Manhattan and Nezarr can do the planning for him. According to Rule 7, that is the team leader's job."> My plan is to let them plan a counterattack to my opponents attack by using Doctor Manhattan's ability to see the future, and Nezarr the Calculator and Manhattan's extreme intelligence. So yeah, no rule is broken. <"My opponent thinks that time power will mean anything. However, he forgets Jimmy Buffett, whose mere presence causes the planet to become Margaritaville."> There is absolutely zero logic behind the above statement. Whether the planet is "Margaritaville" or not is completely independent from Manhattan's ability to cease time. <"Time is already stopped, although people can still move about and such. Time does not pass."> ...time not passing is exactly why people *can't* "move about and such." My opponent just isn't making sense here. <"Yugi's Brain Control and Change of Heart are more absolute. Furthermore, you can't use mind control on Yugi, as Yami Yugi prevents that with the Millennium Puzzle. Link is protected with his Triforce of Courage, Ganondorf cannot be controlled once he converts himself into Twilight particles to take over someone else. Furthermore, both Superman and Jimmy Buffett are drunk because of Margaritaville, and Yugi, Link, and Ganondorf are in the Shadow Realm, protecting them from Margaritaville. Again, bar fight."> The Millennium Puzzle is mere matter, which both Manhattan and the Silver Surfer can control. They can destroy the the Millennium Puzzle if they see fit, which therefore negates Yugi's anti-mind control crap. Plus, Yugi's cards can be destroyed, as well. So can he. They're all composed of energy and matter, which means they're at the will of Manhattan and the Surfer; they can do anything they want to Yugi. As for Link, here's some info on the Triforce of courage: "The Triforce of Courage seems to grant its holder certain abilities, though this is never canonically confirmed." (1) So, the idea that the Triforce of Courage protects Link cannot be verified by the "canon" my opponent has chosen, which therefore means it's irrelevant, and that my opponent has broken a rule by applying a trait to Link which is "non-canonical." Besides, it wouldn't be too difficult for Manhattan nor the Surfer to break the Triforce of Courage up, leaving Link even more vulnerable than he would be. Link can also be essentially evaporated by either of them. So can Jimmy Buffett. I'd also like to point out that my opponent's "bar fight" strategy can be used against him, if I chose to control Buffett rather than evaporate him. And Ganondorf wouldn't get an opportunity to change forms -- as I said, *any* attack my opponent launch's at my team will be consequently counterattacked, and thus negated, thanks to Manhattan and Nezarr the Calculator. Ganondorf would either be evaporated, controlled, sent into space, etc. There are many things which could be done to make it so Ganondorf wouldn't even get a chance to use his power. <"Yugi can take control of two people at once, and Ganondorf can control another. Together, they can control Mewtwo, Nezarr the Calculator, and the Silver Surfer. Yugi can then sacrifice all three to summon the Winged Dragon of Ra, eliminating them. Ra would have the strength of all three of them combined."> Although I've already negated the possibility of this happening (with my response to my opponent's fifth point), I'll respond anyway: I'd still be left with Doctor Manhattan and Apocalypse. Manhattan is essentially unable to be defeated, anyway, but Apocalypse could easily give Manhattan his complete power, and Manhattan could then create as many copies of himself as he wanted. The Winged Dragon of Ra, nor anyone or anything, would be any match for 1,000,000 Doctor Manhattan's with Apocalypse's power combined with him. Especially since Manhattan cannot be killed, nor perceived. You can't defeat what you can't see, hear, or touch, especially when it has the power of two of the most powerful character's in the comic book/graphic novel universe. <"Anyways, my original plans remain uncontested."> Not at all. In fact, my strategies are the ones which remain "uncontested," especially the following one: "1: before my opponent can even think about making a move, Doctor Manhattan's ability to see the future allows him know what pro's team will do; the simply insane intelligence of him and Nezarr the Calculator then allow them to come up with a counterattack for any possible strategy pro could use, which means there's seemingly no strategy which can be used by pro to defeat my team, because they know what will happen, and are therefore, prepared." None of my other strategies have been rationally rebutted, either. Yugi's cards and puzzle can easily be destroyed, making him very susceptible to mind control, and making it so that he can't use any mind control of his own. That in mind, my second strategy obviously stands (I'd post it again, but yeah...character limit.) My opponent hasn't offered a logical retort to #3, #4, nor #5, either; Manhattan can still easily vanquish them to the outer limits of the universe, or some plant which would then be destroyed, and he can still evaporate them (as can the Surfer.) I've already shown that my opponent's team is still susceptible to mind control, so yeah. <"Simply put, my team cannot be defeated by my opponent's team; my team's ability to know what my opponent's team will do before they do it makes it so that they can counter anything my opponent does."> This point still remains, as well. ... I'd like to point out something my opponent had said earlier: <"Doctor Manhattan has immortality and intangibility, which means that he can never be defeated."> My opponent admits that Manhattan cannot be defeated, which means my team can't be defeated, which means my opponent can't win. He's essentially conceded the debate. ...I have more to say, but, unfortunately, the character limit is making it so that I can't post it, so yeah. (1) = http://zelda.wikia.com...