Rape Culture in the United States Improperly blames Women for their Sexual Violation

Thanks a lot in advance for the good argument, Sidewinder. Clothing I understand you accept it to be a reasonable act to question clothing worn by rape (and other crime) victims. As far as a question such as "why did you not fight back?" I consider to be the same as asking "what were you wearing?" Both question the situation and the victim's actions pertaining to the crime against them. Asking why they didn't fight back is a reasonable question and does not imply it's their fault the crime happened. If you can accept that somebody asking what the victim was wearing before the crim happened is okay, then you should also be okay with someone asking why the victim didn't take any actions during the crime also. The only part I "agree" on is that the rape shield law doesn't allow these questions to be asked. However this is a case of "breaking the law" at the very most, and has nothing to do with anyone insinuating that it's the victim's fault. Videos 1. Offensive words don't belong in media? If you truly believe that, you should also be against anything that can be remotely considered offensive. Some people are offended, most are not. That's why it's "okay" to use these words in media. You're right that this does not perpetuate rape. 2. You again agree that this does not perpetuate rape. Like I said, rape is a much different crime than any other. There can be a "consensual" form of rape, there cannot be a "consensual" form of murder, robbery, etc. If you could have shown an example of a judge or really anyone continuously ask why the victim didn't fight back after she made it clear she couldn't due to the drugs, alcohol, unconsciousness, anything, then I'd be more willing to side with you here, however all you said was "someone asking why they didn't fight back is bad, and does not perpetuate rape." Therefore it's reasonable to believe, by the very definition of rape culture, that this is not a part of rape culture. 3. Rape is a crime different than others, as I've explained several times. It's a crime, yes, and can be punishable like any other crime, yes, however there is a "lesser," legal version of rape, which is simply sex. There is not a "lesser" legal version of murder, robbery, etc. However first, second, and third degree murder are things, "consensual" or "legal" murder don't exist. Rape isn't the only crime where "sympathy" is shown to the aggressors, and you did only give me one isolated incident, but here's an article addressing how murder-suicide should not be sympathized with [1], which also includes a case of sympathy for someone who committed a murder-suicide. So Not only is rape not the "only crime in which aggressors are sympathized with," but it also shows that "rape culture" doesn't exist (in this scenario, anyway), considering the "only" thing that happens in rape cases doesn't actually only happen in rape cases. 4. A handful (a HANDFULL) of people are uneducated. I'm on your side to the extent that we should educate more people on the matter, however none of this condones or perpetuates rape or anything along those lines. Once again even you said "I'm not saying they support rape," therefore - no rape culture. Three of your Four final points said these people either don't support rape, or their actions don't perpetuate rape, which really is the definition of rape culture. So three of your four arguments are basically saying there is no rape culture. Your other point (that isn't agreeing with mine) is saying that rape is treated differently than most crimes, which is true, considering it is different than most other crimes. More Rebuttals 1. Fraud and consent are different things. Nobody commits fraudulent rape. Nobody consents to their belongings actually being stolen and nobody consents to actually getting beat up (as much as sex anyway...). Sex is happening all the time. Consensual muggings or murders are not. That's why rape is a different crime than the aforementioned. Saying they could have done more to prevent it is not a bad thing, it's a bit of advice. If Sally's phone is stolen after she leaves it on her desk at school, and I give her a bit of advice by saying, "maybe you shouldn't leave your phone unattended," you wouldn't say the same thing. You'd say (or most people would, anyway) that's a good bit of advice. But as soon as it's a more serious crime (so advice would kind of be more important?) it's all of a sudden a bad thing... I don't get it. 2. 2. Fair enough, sorry if it seemed like I was trying to change your argument, maybe I just didn't understand your position completely. Unfortunately you can't give your own definition of the topic we're discussing at the very end of the debate. I only have a couple things to bring up for the rest of this. Avoiding crime makes sense. ...It's as simple as that, there's no logical reason to purposely not avoid a possible crime. Nobody is blaming the victim. I never said female utopia, I said feminist utopia - men can be feminists too. Men and women bring different skill sets and traits to the table, we are not equal in every subject, however I agree to an extent that we do need to be educated more on certain topics. None of this falls into the recognizes and accepted definition of rape culture, though. 3. I told you in the first round about my experience with cops giving me advice as to how to avoid being mugged again. Cops giving advice to a woman as to how to avoid being raped again is the same thing, and you don't have a problem with the first scenario. And you don't think it's possible for someone to "create" an issue in order to get their group more followers...? 3b. You're implying anyone giving advice wouldn't also comfort anyone. They do. They just also give advice. 4. Inappropriate is inappropriate, not perpetuating rape. 5. ....And is this advice a bad thing? It's advice. It's how to avoid something......... It's how to avoid something. This is not bad. And women in general earn 79 cents to a mans dollar, considering men work more full time jobs than women, more higher paying jobs, don't take maternity leave as much, etc. It isn't per specific job between two people with the same experience and education. 6. I would be more than happy to debate this another time. 7. I've been playing video games since forever. That is your experience, and I won't say you're wrong, however my experiences differ. We can leave this at "we have different experiences online." 8. I'm all for being treated equally. However men and women bring different traits to the table, and we aren't truly biologically equal. So let's see. Fraud =/= consent. Cops "victim blame" according to your definition, victims of other crime also. Advice is advice is advice is advice. It is not blaming somebody, and if it is putting a part of the blame on someone, it's for a good reason - how to avoid the crime in the future. Men and women are not biologically equal, however we should be (and are, in North America anyway) treated equally. Thanks a lot for a good debate, I'm really glad we discussed this! [1] http://www.smh.com.au...