The Existence Of God

//The resolution was stated in the title "Does God exist?". I did not limit the resolution as I did not want a debate on a particular God. I didn't narrow down the question to a particular plane.// You should have stated this then. Your fault. //It is unwise to choose the belief of your opponent. I never stated that I was in fact a creationist. I purposely left my particular belief out because it is irrelevant to this debate. // Which faith you are matters a lot on this debate, I would think. It is about the existence of God. I doubt there could be anything bigger than that, and so every smidgen of a detail counts, whether or not you think it is relevant. Also, just by looking at your username, I automatically assumed you were going for a Christian stance. //Also I state that if God exists he is supreme over everything. Thereby making the so called "planes" subject to him. He is not bound by the planes, but rather he is in control of them. He does not exist in any of the planes, but rather they exist in him.// Now, God(s) are usually three things, one of which is Omnipresent. Now, if a God is Omnipresent, then he exists everywhere. It doesn't matter if he is not subject to the planes or not. It matters if he is in those planes all at once. Now, I assume you believe God does not exist in the material realm. Therefore, whether he/she subject to these realms or not, this God must exist in all realms, at all times, in all places. If he/she does not exist in the material realm, then your god is not Omnipresent, and therefore not a God. I win. Your, "He does not exist in any of the planes," argument just completely ensures you lost. You just made God not a God anymore, but a superpowered being. Not a God. I win. //Secondly You stated "God does not exist in the material realm. Ergo, God does not exist in all realms.". By this you claim that anything that cannot be measured, experimented on, or seen does not exist. If you actually believe this how can you account for emotion, memory, & fear.// Sort of, but you need to add more to the measured, experiment, or seen argument. But that doesn't really matter, seeing as how you made your point. And, in fact, emotion, memory, and fear (redundant of emotion) can be experimented on and measured. We have found that emotion is a function of the brain, using neurological pulses. I am not quite sure I described that right, but that's somewhere around it. Memory, we have dissected and measured as well. In fact, you can measure your memory right now. How long can you think back, hm? Yesterday? A week ago? Well, it doesn't matter, but what does is that you just measured your memory capacity. Fear is an emotion, and I already explained that. I have negated your argument/rebuttal. //This argument doesn't interfere with God's existence at all! God isn't part of any plane. He is supreme over the planes. He is their creator.// Yes it does, I already explained this in my previous arguments. //1. There are four possibilities for the existence of this world.// More, in fact, but I won't nitpick on this. //a) It isn't here// Cody Franklin did an interesting debate about objectivism, and it included whether reality was real and whatnot. Very stimulating. http://www.debate.org... Also, it could not be here. This could be a figment of the conscious of the universe, or something like that. There could be emptiness, and the things I'm experiencing now is what everyone is experiencing. Everyone is integral to this consciousness of emptiness, and it will replay again and again once I die. It is basically bound to happen, again, and again. I'll explain further, if you need me to, but its really giving even me a slight headache from pondering the possible realities of the universe and multiple universes and realities, but it is possible that the universe isn't here. //b) It always been here// Why is this impossible? It's more plausible then God coming out of nowhere and poofing the universe like nobody's business. He would have to be more complex than the universe itself. And then you theists have the nerve to say all this happened... and when asked how god got here, you say he always was here. The same thing you just said was impossible for the universe to do by itself, which is so much easier instead of magical fairy man making the universe and then some. Fajibble. //c) It suddenly existed with no prompting// This is still more plasuible than god appearing out of nowhere with no prompting. If he always existed, see B. //d) It was created// See B and C. //The first two are impossible. We do exist. It cannot always have been here. The law of entropy states that all motion will eventually come to a halt. For matter to appear out of nothingness is preposterous. This leaves only the final option.// Disproved all of this. Also, have you ever heard of heat death? It basically states the universe will expand so far that all the energy in the universe will be so spread out that everything reaches absolute zero. Your entropy argument is disproved as well. http://en.wikipedia.org... //2. Motion For there to be motion there must be an initial force. This force cannot come from emptiness. It must come from a creator, or supreme being.// Infinite regress, what caused the creator? Disproved and rejected. See B for creator was always there. omï¿½niï¿½presï¿½ent (mn-prznt) adj. Present everywhere simultaneously. http://www.thefreedictionary.com... I have disproved all of my opponent's arguments and rebuttals, and mine still stand. I await my opponent's rebuttal. L and Kira. Rulers of the New World Order.