LM Classic: Sherlockmethod vs. Puck

Full list of gear/abilities: http://www.debate.org... Only change is Spiral will come equipped with 3 swords and her trademark blaster. == Avast! Opponents arguments: 1.Once outside Doom detonates the bomb rendering all electronic devices useless. Doom's suit is nuclear powered and is not affected "once outside" is a rather pointless detonation as non nuclear EMP has severely limited range due to its nature - which also renders it weak compared to nuclear created blasts of EMP - "somewhere across the city" just doesn't work - and Angela has survived stronger nuclear powered blasts of EMP point blank. http://en.wikipedia.org... http://img40.imageshack.us... http://img21.imageshack.us... A nuclear powered suit is vulnerable. Doom is there when you detonated it; nuclear powered relates to the *source* of electrical power for electrical components, not the type of components - much like a nuclear power plant creates electricity. Doom just fried his suit. Even if granted my team is in range, Angela's nanites do nifty repair work on their gear. 2.Hannibal sends as many rats as he can toward Spiral. Angela can create virus components out of surrounding materials thanks to her nanites; dead rats - an easy task to accomplish for a genius - in any event Spiral doesn't need to use leg work to manoeuvre having portals to use - which arrive from her being able to access dimensions mentally, not from her rituals - seen in the way she creates them rapidly during battles. http://img406.imageshack.us... http://marvel.wikia.com...(Earth-616) 3.Doom transfers his mind to Deadpool and stabs Spiral in the back. Any attempt by Doom to enter Deadpool will result in Sinister knowing. Any such invasion would be retaliated with a bullet in the head from either Sage, Angela or Spiral, expelling Doom. Deadpool then heals. Certainly not a new trick for him. The damage done to Doom's mind, wouldn't be good upon his hosts mind being shot. 4.Spiral is multifaceted, but she will be matched in strength with the vampire misting around her and the rats. "single-handedly defeating the X-Men on several occasions" Spiral has insane fighting abilities when she wants to, holding off and defeating teams of X-men singlehandedly - more than a match for a single vampire, especially minus dead rats - a vampire who possesses no skill related to fighting she would not normally have encountered. Multiple weapons, enhanced speed, strength, reflexes, calculations makes for slicey, stabby, blasty death for your Mr Vampire. http://img171.imageshack.us... 5. Hawkeye to hit him with a tranquilizing arrow. Tranquilizers have worked on Deadpool in the past and will serve well now Deadpool has foreign chemical resistance - an arrow would not contain the massive dosages needed to override his healing factor - see the same source. 6. Sinister has, he does not have much mystical resistance and Ghostie as plenty to throw at him. Hellfire bolts, his chain and superior combat skills will allow the Rider to hold Sinister long enough to deliver a penance stare. Sinister has molecular control, indeed is seen as good as invulnerable except for those instances where his death forms a part of his future plans - able to reform completely destroyed molecules. Penance stare is pointless; Sinister is one of the highest level telepaths in Marvel - even if able to get past that, all it will do is tell Sinister what he already knows, the acts he has done. Sinister is a master planner, manipulating a large number of key members of the X-men and why? To defeat Apocolypse. Forcing Sinister to endure his own actions and repercussions is only going to result in..well duh of course I did that. Mystical resistance is a misnomer, either damage will be dealt or it won't be, the source is irrelevant to the nature of his defence against it - his supreme control over his own body and all he needs to do is touch Ghost Rider once to paralyse him. http://img35.imageshack.us... http://www.comicvine.com... 7. Hawkeye's arrow finds Sage's reboot button rendering her temporarily disconnected. Unfortunately (for you) that source only tells you/your team that she has one, not where, not where to aim, not where to hit, nor any negative effects of. 8. Victor uses his knowledge of science and the arcane arts to cast a cloaking spell over him and the rest of the team masking their genetic make up. Victor however does not have that ability to use - Doom's listed abilities: Mystical Blasts, Mystical Force-fields, Invoke Entities, Mystical Ensnaring, Mystical Portals, Mind Transference Any argument along the lines of - He can use magic therefore he can - I call no limits fallacy on, the ability to use magic is not a gate to a deus ex machina-esque ability list. == If Ghost Rider wishes to engage Sinister, he would fall to Sinister's extremely high strength, energy blasts, mental attacks, and paralysis. If Hannibal wishes to engage Spiral, she would likewise defeat him; a single vampire over a character capable of defeating the best the X-men have to offer, is not much of a battle. Misting is irrelevant, as to strike he is equally vulnerable to being struck, and Spiral has 6 arms, 4 of which hold weapons (plus stakes). Even before the EMP bomb went off, the time in its construction would have been spent by Angela in destroying rats making all arguments related to them moot. Doom's knowledge of EMP tech appears to be limited however - the range is determined by its power source and non nuclear devices do not have the blast range that nuclear based EMP ride upon - not even close to being city wide (see the wiki). Doom's suit being nuclear powered unfortunately doesn't save him from frying any electrical circuits of his own suit - essentially taking himself out of the match (paralysis). Thanks Doom! == Doom's ability to cloak DNA is unfounded; Sage upon the start of the battle reads all living members, transferring the data to Angela and Sinister. Sage uses the VR to access CTV scans of team Pro's members before they disappear into the lab - Deadpool loads them into his holographic projector. Angela creates and distributes the virus necessary to kill all the rats. They all share a giggle as Doom fries his suit. If it's somehow made that Doom survives his own blast, Sinister targets Deadshot for mind control - Deadshot's apathy for living and desire for a worthy target make him susceptible to being encouraged to target Doom. Either way, 1 team member goes down. Sage and Deadpool teleport away, with Sage tracking the movements of Hawkeye and Deadshot (assuming he bests Doom). Of their abilities super speed, or sight nor sound is part of them; both falling to long ranged sniper shots, unaware they were even targets. Spiral has no issues in engaging Hannibal - whose enhanced strength speed etc., Spiral is more than apt to deal with. Not to mention ample time to shape stakes for her two free hands, of which Hannibal will not like when the two meet inside his chest. Afterwards as Sinister engages Ghost rider, Spiral has plenty of time to cast rituals against him, paralysing or annulling his magical source - which she can likewise do against Doom. Sinister also has the endurance and strength to engage Doom directly, causing paralysis or crushing his gauntlets and ripping the mask away. == Team Pro is dead or disabled. Doom appears to be his own worst enemy. Hannibal is no match for Spiral's enhanced abilities and weapon skill. Hawkeye, Deadshot both fall to sniper fire or mental assault before they can even engage in battle. Ghost Rider is no match for Sinister's mind, or the supreme control of his own body.