animal experimentation

Happy to think with you today, I will outline my primary points for Animal Experimentation. If you'd like to proceed down any of these paths, Let me know and we can go into justifications in later rounds. 1. One of the primary goals of society should be to cure all diseases and ailments, Including death. This research will take far longer and result in more total deaths without animal experimentation. Including animal deaths. The research to cure a disease in humans or understand the human brain will almost inevitably lead to improvements in our ability to take care of animals. This will likely save more animals than the initial cost in lives to figure out how to do this. 2. Many animals' life expectancy would not be all that much longer in the wild than in laboratory conditions in the first place. 3. I have no reason to care for animals. You say morality is all based on harm and benefit. I say otherwise. I value sentient thought and critical thinking. There are no conversations that can be had with most animals. The ones we can converse with are ruled out of experimentation that would not be conducted on humans. We have no proof that they have sentient thoughts. Whether or not they can feel pain is irrelevant. I assume if we could birth new species of each animal without the ability to feel pain your arguments would not change in the slightest. Suffering then can probably be ruled out as what you personally value. Death then is still on the table, But you don't value life. You aren't arguing against experimenting on plants and they are alive. Please correct me if I'm wrong on either of these counts. Pain is not what should be valued. Death alone is not what should be valued. Sentient thought, Or intelligence should be. Humans are indeed also animals, But I don't value other animals as 'persons' because they cannot think critically and communicate effectively. Intelligence, You could say, Is what I value. There are indeed some species of animals that pass my tests. Dolphins, Some kinds of birds, Et cetera. But there are also many that do not. Those are the animals I don't lose a wink of sleep experimenting on. 4. If your thoughts on 'species-ism' are consistent, And you had a choice between saving 2 deer or 1 human, Which would you choose? What about 10 deer or 1 human? Where is your line? I don't mind consistent beliefs, But does yours stand to the test? To conclude, Research will lead to improvements in care for not only humans, But animals as well. There may be initial cost in suffering and lives lost, But there will be countless more lives that benefit from the research, Including animal ones. In the future, We may be able to change all carnivores to not require meat to live. We may be able to cure all diseases that plague animals and make them immune to parasites, Et cetera. We may be able to help them all live forever. With the frontier of space, They may all eventually have their own worlds uniquely catered to them or we may be able to alter them so their intelligence is boosted to human or well beyond human levels. This is not to say that everyone should be able to experiment willy-nilly with animal lives. Ethics boards should be required for all animal experimentation, And oft are in most western countries, At least. Research into many fields requires the death of some. If any are to be harmed, I would prefer it be those animals with near zero intelligence and sentience. If we can use dead corpses, Those should be used. If we can create artificial organs to experiment on, Those should be used. Before things get to the animal experimentation stage they ought be passed through filters to minimize harm. Alternatives should be sought in all cases. Although I put little value on animals, There is no need for needless torture, And those who thrill on it are probably mentally unstable and should be watched or helped either way. It should be noted that all things that require experimentation that do not get done on animals will inevitably be done on humans. Denying animal experimentation means these things will contribute to the suffering of humans and the death of humans, Including our elderly, Children, And newborns alike. Those things that don't require animal experimentation of some sort to be researched should be done without it to begin with for the most part, But there is no escaping the fact that the research will be done. If we don't allow for animals to be experimented on, Humans will inevitably be the test subjects. May your thoughts be clear, -Thoht