In contrast to Left/Right Wings, I now introduce the Up Wing

Thanks for getting back so quickly, I'm afraid it might take a while longer with my schedule. I did not mean to put words into your mouth about immigrants "stealing U.S. jobs." It's just an argument I hear very often, even from people who want amnesty, and is traditionally associated with conservatives. I can already see the issue we are going to disagree on most here is military intervention. But first I should address the confederation of nations as it seems to be an important aspect of the Up-Wing politics. We already have something similar to that, namely the United Nations. There is the Security council which deals with threats to international security, but is extremely slow because of lack of agreement between nations. I feel that a League of Nations (which was also around, but ultimately failed) would turn out the same way unless you could guarantee cooperation somehow. The European Union is similar on immigration, where 22 member countries don't even have border checks (Schengen area), so the immigration policy could definitely be done wide scale. The problem comes when countries restrict citizens from immigration/ emigration. I would say all we can do is show them the benefits of free immigration, like the situation involving the Berlin Wall in the USSR. Imagine what would've happened if we had used military intervention then. But we didn't, because they had nukes and knew we wouldn't interfere with them. And if we don't invade a country with nukes, why is it suddenly okay to meddle in a country with none? Is it any surprise that Iran would want nuclear weapons, seeing the respect other weaponized countries are given? Free trade and capitalism has remarkable powers of attraction, and we must be patient in letting other countries improve their policies. The reason I touched on the unpredictability of nations is that we are I'll equipped to know for sure what systems work and which don't. Some may say the reasons kids aren't starving on the street is capitalism, some may say its social programs, and some would say it is public education. They might all be right. We can gauge that socialism and dictatorships don't work well, but any more than that is hard to say for certain. "Well, intellectuals who study various systems to see what systems work and what doesn't... they should help decide this." If only we could live in a world where the experts made all our decisions for us. Yet we can't do that, because humans are easily fallible. These are the people who predicted global cooling, after all (although with this recent weather hey might've been right) Calls for an intellectual, efficient, planned government were what socialism sprang from. I can think of a lot of "experts" who predicted the Iraq War would be an in and out job, but experience has shown we cannot simply barge in by force and expect things to turn out fine. All force begets is more force, like revolutionaries who don't like the new regime. God knows how we've stirred up a hornets nest in the Middle East. We have to convince people though trade, as it has been said that when goods cross borders, armies don't. And as for nation building- if the U.S. can't even get its own government right, and is so terrible at doing just about everything else, how do you expect it to set up a stable government in a far away nation rife with conflict?