the best 2 martial arts

== REBUTTAL == 1) Pro says that TKD is the best method because the entire martial art revolves around defense. Pro admits that JKD is a similar method based around the same exact concept; I explained how even the name translates to "Intercept." In real life situations you can't be sure that strictly being prepared for defense is enough; sometimes it's optimal to strike your opponent first. This means JKD is the better method over TKD, because while both teach the extremely important mechanisms of counterattacks and defense, JKD teaches the *best* of the TKD methods of defense and combines them with the best of other kinds of methods of offense to make the fighter more well rounded. 2) Pro contends that DM is superior because it teaches specific points of contact that could take down an opponent. I mentioned that JKD teaches that same method (and in fact expands on it). Pro never responded to this, meaning he concedes this point. Both methods teach the same techniques of hitting specific "take down" points. 3A) Pro says that TKD is the best because it emphasizes strong kicks from the leg, considered the most powerful (bodily) weapon and hardest to defend. In the last round I pointed out that JKD emphasizes their kicks to the opponent's shins, knees, thighs, and mid section considering they are the hardest to defend. In other words, it employs the same useful strategy of using the leg and kicks. It even instructs the best places of attack and methods of attack on those specific places. Once again we can see that TKD has not been described as the best method, because JKD does the same thing and in fact better. 3B) Pro writes that JKD is limited, because it was derived according to Lee's strengths and does not consider the shape of those who are not nearly as fit as Lee himself. This is simply not true. As explained, JKD incorporates the best moves not only according to Lee, but to fighters all over the world. He uses the best, most popular and effective methods from various martial arts to create what is known as a hybrid form of martial arts. Hence, JKD is superior because it incorporates the most useful and effective elements of ALL forms of fighting. Every fighter will have optimal moves according to his particular body type and skill level. However the JKD user can use one of several moves best suited to them and the particular situation they're fighting in. Lee and others have derived the best techniques from all forms of fighting, i.e. for fighters of all kinds. The fighter can use not only what technique is best for his or her own body type, but for whatever the situation called for including what their opponent does or what advantages they may have. 4) We agree that this point is moot. 5) Pro explains that TKD was created for smaller Asian populations to defeat larger enemies. However KM's inception is just as impressive with a similar history. "Completely surrounded by enemies under the most hostile circumstances, Israel has always been outnumbered in its battles. In response to continuous overwhelming odds, the Israelis developed systems of combat that emphasized mental toughness, versatility, innovation and practicality at its core (Krav Maga). The formalities of traditional defense systems were abandoned in favor of methodologies that valued rapid and instinctive learning. These philosophies helped Israel and its citizens to survive in the face of constant aggression as the nation formed one of the most respected military forces in the world in the Israeli Defense Forces (IDF). Faced with warfare and terrorism, the Israeli military developed combat systems that were practical in the battlefield" [1]. 6) In the last round I explained how adrenaline is a positive thing in combat, and can be used to one's significant advantage. Pro never contended that point. Instead he points out that a DM fighter can use one's adrenaline against them causing them to die, though I'd prefer to see a source proving this is true in order to learn more about this tactic. So far I consider adrenaline to be helpful and shown how it was. 7. Pro says neither of my martial arts systems are considered the most deadly according to his list. However I can just as easily link examples citing the deadliest forms of combat in the world where neither TKD nor DM even make the list while my systems reach the top 5 deadliest [2]. == RE: CONTENTIONS == 1) Pro contends that TKD is the best martial arts for smaller people. I negate. In the last round I explained how KM uses chokes and joint locks rather than strikes, and leverage and technique rather than strength thereby making it the best method for smaller people. 2) I explained that KM prepares you for the unexpected with effective techniques in pressure situations. Most importantly it prepares you for any type of attack considering in the real world there are no honor codes. An attacker might pull a weapon or outnumber you. Pro does not have a defense for this contention, and instead posits that TKD emphasizes more training such as in other areas (like stress training). However, you'll notice that in his example of stress training, the student is still only being trained to fight bigger opponents, smaller and faster opponents, or opponents with more skill level. This does not address my contention that KM prepares you for combat outside of a competition, or outside of situations where you may be outnumbered -- not just outsized or outskilled. Further it prepares you to fight against those who are armed (very important in life or death situations!). TKD's training is specific for hand to hand combat only, and again assumes both fighters are using an honor code of some kind. 3) Pro says it's impossible for DM methods to be used in JKD, because it was derived during the 70s while Bruce Lee was making films in the U.S. However, JKD has evolved over time [3] meaning my opponent cannot prove that DM methods aren't used. Further, the methods of DM he did describe (i.e. the power points for take down moves) are in fact taught in JKD. So far Pro hasn't mentioned elements of DM that JKD doesn't use. In fact, because JKD uses the same "acupuncture points of attack" that Dimmak does, it does have roots in Dimmak or emphasize DM points as described here [4]. Nevertheless, I explained in this point that JKD doesn't just use DM moves but also moves from boxing, fencing, Muay Thai, etc. 4) Here Pro concedes that DM, TKD and JKD teach similar methods. He cites the fact that DM takes opponents down in one move as making it superior. However, this ignores the fact that I've explained how KM does the same thing (one move, then escape unharmed) AND the fact that by his own concession JKD teaches the same thing. == CONCLUSION == TKD and Dimmak are pretty amazing. However JKD takes the BEST elements of those styles (and many others) to combine for one awesome form of martial arts. It's a perfect hybrid mixing all of the best elements from each fighting style. So far every time my opponent tries to make a case for why his systems are superior, it's fallen apart considering JKD contains the same methodology in addition to others that perfect the system. Similarly, KM has many of those advantages coupled with the fact of how it helps fighters of all sizes in nearly ANY situation - including being outnumbered or fighting opponents with weapons. Pro points out problems with "thinking too much" during a fight, but Bruce Lee himself acknowledges "The extraordinary part of [JKD] lies in its simplicity." The whole system was built on utilizing only the best and most effective moves. The same thing can be said of KM which is explicitly designed (and fighters train for) instinctive abilities to help with muscle memory and avoid the problems Pro described. [1] http://tinyurl.com... [2] http://tinyurl.com... [3] http://tinyurl.com... [4] http://tinyurl.com...