All homosexuals and bisexuals who live gay lifestyles are perverts

What? You say I'm straw manning you, but I don't think that phrase means what you think it means. One commits a straw man if they present the opponent's side in such a way that their argument is easier to defeat. Your claim was that genitalia exists to have sex and reproduce, and I disputed this claim. No matter how clearly you state this, it isn't true. How did I exclude sex with the opposite sex? I am saying that most sex isn't done with the goal of reproduction so to say that reproduction is the sole reason for sex is just plain dumb.Nope, not a straw man. You said that people evolved sex organs to reproduce, which would be meaningless in this debate unless you mean to say that all sex should be to reproduce. If straight people have sex with goals other than reproducing, then they are on the same level as homosexuals and therefore perversion isn't exclusive to gay people. Or are you saying that the penis evolved to go into a vagina? I mean, sure, but it also goes into a hand, a mouth, and yeah I don't want to get too graphic with this. Same for a vagina, though. Sure, a penis fits, but so does a dildo, a finger, etc. Humans didn't evolve to have sex with the opposite sex, they evolved to have sex. Masturbation has negative social effects: Oh, you mean a culture that shames masturbation as an evil act against god or the final act of desperation for lonely losers results in people feeling ashamed, or guilty? That's like saying homosexuality is bad because bullies bullied gay kids into committing suicide. Not their fault, dude. My point on the masturbation was that having sex without the goal of getting pregnant doesn't result in the body rejecting itself or whatever your point was.Okay, again, gay people make up 63% of new infections, not 81%. In fact, 78% of those with HIV are gay so I don't know where this figure is coming from. But it doesn't matter. The point was that HIV isn't a point in your favor because straight people can get it as well, and apparently straight sex isn't a perversion. Not to mention how utterly insulting it is that you use a disease that killed so many and created such a culture of terror in an already unaccepted community to further discriminate and bash those said people. HIV is so prevalent in the gay community because gay men aren't often educated on safe sex procedures, at least 12% of those with the disease don't even know it, and because for some reason, it is more likely to affect gay people. But, did you know black gay men have it more as well? And that those who are 13-24 are also more likely to contract the disease? Are we to extrapolate upon this to say that 13-24 year olds are perverts, or that black people are as well? My point in bringing up other people who commit these same acts is to point out that they aren't gay things, they're human things. To single out the gay community is discriminatory, dishonest, and somewhat ironically, sort of special pleading. 'There are rules,' you seem to say, 'but they don't apply to straight people. Of course humans have evolved to have sex for reproduction, but straights just have to reach the bare minimum. Homosexual people's bodies reject themselves and give themselves HIV and AIDS, but when straight people get the disease, it's a statistical error. Straight people fulfill their biological purpose by reaching orgasm, but homosexual people don't achieve this goal when they reach orgasm because they had either too many penises, or not enough.' What about the clitoris? It purely exists to give pleasure. When two women have sex and they stimulate the clitoris, are they betraying nature? Or when a guy has sex with a girl but doesn't stimulate the clitoris, has he failed? Why do these rules only apply to gay people?No, I didn't ignore the definition of pervert. I used it to show that gay people aren't perverts because they achieve a goal of sex. Who are you to say that, for instance, the penis isn't shaped to enter the back door? Or, yeah, not going to get graphic here. Here's the problem, "BlackHomophobicAtheists", you seem to ignore the fact that because gay people still exists today, they have evolved with straight people. The "gay trait" or whatever hasn't been ruled out of humanity. Unless you are saying that gay people choose to be gay, then they can't be acting out against their intended sexual purpose. It really all depends on where you draw the starting line. If you want to take this to its logical conclusion, then all life is perverted. Just think about it. The first "life" on earth was an RNA molecule, and was intended to be a self replicating molecule. But if you really want to follow this line, then everything is perverted. After all, the first purpose of matter was to exist in a condensed state at the beginning of the universe. Clothing is perverted; we were supposed to be naked. Maybe you will say that this is the tu quoquo fallacy, but my point is simple: if you are going to use what you seem to believe is such a negative term for a group of people, then there should be something special about those people that makes them especially that thing over their opposite.