The Pokemon TV Show should Follow the Exploits of Red, not Ash

With that said, I'll get right into it. :: Problems with the manga :: 1. It is Pros job, when I present facts, and my interpretation of those facts and how they might affect the target market, to refute my claims. It isn't enough to simply dismiss them. Pro is also quite vague. I DID provide sources to substantiate my points on the manga, but didn't for my claims on whether older people would laugh at it and children would be scared by it. For this, I simply appeal to the audiences common sense- would an anise with rotting corpses, possessed children and dead Pokï¿½mon be suitable for little kids? I think it would not. The voters can decide. 2. Once again, Pro hammers me on admitting that it is my opinion. Yes, but if it is a good opinion and is supported my the facts, then again, it is his job to refute me. Stating that his opinion is different without substantiating it just isn't enough. Again, I appeal to the audience to look at the provided source. If you think that the dialogue is unnecessarily corny, then the point goes in my favour. If you think cutesy nicknames for all the main pokemon are annoying, that is another point in my favour. 3. By all means, readers should look at the plot synopsis for the manga. [1] There, they will find constant, unending references to the games. They will find that Red visits all the people and places in the games, in the same order as the games, battle the same gym leaders, and so on. Pro has not responded at all to the desperate attempts to keep to every aspect of the games by including cancel buttons to stop pokemon evolving, pokemon evolving when traded, etc. etc. .. 4. Mewtwo in the manga cannot create storms-he can only create a mini-whirlwind to protect himself, which is hardly that impressive. Yes, the legendary pokemon in the manga follow much more closely to the games! And in doing so, they lose all the mystical and powerful traits that make them interesting in the anime. In the manga, they are just unimpressive. 5. I'm not sure what Pro is trying to prove here. In the games wild pokemon are just mindless animals that attack people on sight, true, but that hardly makes any sense when fleshed out into an actual storyline, considering the radical transformation that turns them into trainer's loyal battlers. It makes much more sense if the trainer actually gains the trust of the pokemon he uses, then they would follow him. It seems we are at another clash of opinions. It, again, comes down to what the audience wants. Does the audience think that a carbon-copy version of the games in anime form would be better than a unique storyline with new places, settings and storylines? I think that the latter is clearly better, voters should vote on which they think is. :: Pokemon violence :: 1. Okay, perhaps I misunderstood the title a little, but the quote on the side bar, comedic or not, clearly shows that the people on the facebook group consider pokemon to be a children's thing. Plus, while some people in the facebook group might be older (i. e. the administrators), there is no reason at all to suppose that the overwhelming membership of the group is anything other than Nintendo's target market range. As such, it is useless as evidence. 2. Okay, so people outside the target market buy pokemon games- but the reason for this is blatantly obvious. Parents buy them for their children. Besides, even disregarding this, it still doesn't prove that significant amount of older people would watch the anime, which is what we are actually debating. 3. For a start, it is fairly graphic, and just because there are even worse things doesn't make it any more suitable for children (having read further, multiple people die in the fourth arc) [2], and secondly, it should be obvious just from looking at the manga that it is in a more childish, cartoony, and, yes, cutesy style than most. :: Aspects of the manga/anime :: 1. I'm not sure what Pro intends to prove with this. If the point behind the anime is a more suitable one, then regardless of whether it is a recurring theme or an all encompassing message, it still counts in favour of the anime, and against the manga. 2. Okay, I stand corrected. Since Ash is around 10, and from looking at the manga Red is clearly younger than Ash, Red must be around 8 or less. Ash obviously gets older as time goes on (the anime started in 1997) [3], and as my opponent points out he rarely gets into any particularly dangerous situations, so there's no particular reason to think he wouldn't be able to do the things he does in the anime. (he often plays a quite small role in the movies, changing some critical juncture). On the other hand, often Red's fights degenerate into psychological warfare, which no child should be able to handle. 3. Why should predetermined goals count any more than goals accomplished within particular places at particular time? Ash helps people, wins, or does well in important competitions, he collects badges which is a major predetermined quest, he saves the freakin' world, which is more than Red ever does, he does a huge amount of good in the anime. I would say he does as much as Red- his accomplishments just aren't quite as much to do with power and strong pokemon. :: Theme song :: Pro's wiki source is sorely lacking. To better understand what the badges do, we should go to the source material [4]. It clearly states that badges give owners the power to control their pokemon (as per the games, of course. .. ). Obviously Red is using this power, as a young and inexperienced trainer who has ridiculously powerful pokemon. Also, in the manga there is no where near the amount of personal connection between trainer and pokemon that occurs in the anime. :: Movies :: Right, so Pro concedes that at least a portion of the anime is tied to the movies, so they aren't just stand alone cash cows. The marketing strategy of Nintendo does matter because we can use it as a guideline as to how the manga would be developed were it made into an anime. ====================== Thanks to Korashk for a great debate, vote CON. [1] . http://en.wikipedia.org... [2] . http://www.otakuzone.com... [3] . http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net... [4] . http://www.onemanga.com...