There is no such thing as God

On the last round I will briefly go over the points account to counter you counter-arguments and introduce new points which werent mentioned. Before that I might have made a mistake about the creation of the universe.. it might have been created 13.8 bn years ago and the wordl 4.5 bn years ago (not 4.5 years ago, forgot the billion word). 1# You talk about "logic" and testimonies. But my whole point is that you cant rely on that. I am not trying to counter your argument with a different logic and testimonies. Many religions have their own testimonies and every religion has its own logic. You have slightly different set of logic and testimonies from orthodox Jews. And that slight difference make you follow your religion completely differently. You dont dress like an orthodox Jews or live by strict rules that make you prey often, behave differently on the weekends and devote many hours to learning Torah, in addition to the other many strict rules that there are. Muhammad heard the Angel of Gabriel talking to him in the desert. Then he accumulated enough followers to take over Mecca and start the Arab Empire which was spread across the middle east and North Africa. Its spread was stopped into Europe by a decisive battle/s by Charles Martel. Look at religion spread by geography since then to today. Europe has more Christian states and north Africa and the Middle East has more muslim states. Why is that? It is because the rulers of those countries enforced or increased the influence of those religions. For example, Constantine the Great adapted Christianity after experiencing a dream where he saw a cross.. He recreated the place that was back then Istanbul to Constantinople, and spread Christianity through Eastern Roman Empire. Even if you take a country like Israel. Religion was more adapted after King David who conquered much of Israel and maintained control of the 12 tribes through the Torah and also by marrying different women in different tribes (I believe that he had 20 wives). Jews had to rely on religion at the time, to give legitimate reason to stay in the country of Canaan. They were a nomad tribe in the middle east. Even until today, jews use that religious argument that Israel was given to them by God, and all other Gois are irrelevant. And back to religion being distributed geographically. Why science isnt distributed geographically. Why one country such as France believes in the String theory and Germany doesnt? thats because scientific theories/assumptions are tested and doesnt rely on testimonies and distorted logic. 2# You go into the topic of how the law works and politics. I dont think that any country supports laws that would send a person to burn for eternity, but God does.. for even trivial things as refusing to believe in him. Do you, now understand what I meant by my definition of morality? - "infliction of excessive mental or physical pain on an individual without a reasonable just cause is immoral". As I said before, it is a broad definition. A narrower definition encompass more specific crimes. I personally believe that non-violent drug offenses should be lightly punished.. not like the laws in Thailand that condemn you to long jail sentences you guilty of drug distribution or possession, or they can also result in a death sentence. To the other point. I dont consider any authority to be moral. I studied enough psychology to tell you that people also search for patterns to group things together. You religious people seek for some truth to organize your perception of the world. My perception is that there is no absolute morally right authority. All authorities are bad, but some are better and others are worse. Countries like N.Korea and Syria have governments that are bad, because such regimes need to be coercive, corrupt or even abusive to exist. Democracies masquerade themselves and who they operate. Many immoral laws exist within those democracies that suggest that that regime is not working the way it is being said. Why does America has such high rate of incarcerated citizens, and why they receive such long sentences for petty crimes like drug possession, and why the jail conditions are so awful?, and why the rate of recidivism is near 70%? All of us came from the animals, which means we are human animals. Laws, regulations and also religion are made to control our potentially bad behavior. We have lived in more civilized societies relatively recently. 2 or more centuries back, countries invaded one another, built empires and repressed the occupied indigenous people, mostly for economic reasons and a few for political. If you go even further back, punishment was torture or execution. There was lack of innovation because there weren't enough sufficient liberal regimes for science to evolve (a regime like democracy). Even today, the world seems to be closer another cold war. I have been following the headlines, there is more tension between Russia and US. And US recently announced to deploy its latest plane F-35 across Europe. About N.Korea, if US tries to invade it, it might drop its nuke on Seoul in half an hour. There is no such thing as moral authority, but the strongest authority. A citizen of any country can become a victim of certain unjust and unfair law/s of his own country. More discussion on how the criminal justice system should work and who needs to be put in jail needs opening another debate. Good Morality doesnt exist within religion. Religious morality doesnt aim for eutopia-like society but it aims for a certain order. I brought the example of costumes that belong to orthodox Jews. But I will now bring some of the rules that exist in Christianity. Before Protestant Christianity came to existence, there was a principle in Christianity that gave rise to the Spirit of Capitalism (in short, it gave rise to the campitalism), that christian ethic said that a christian person should devote himself to work because God desires him to. As Protestant Christianity came to existence, certain religious figures such as Mark Luther refuted the aforementioned ethic. And then there was a division in the ethics of the two sub religions. That division manifests itself in Northern Ireland which was torn by conflict for many years. Another point regarding religious and current day political morality. I dont fully accept both, and even feel hostility towards the hypocrisy that they project. I am a vegan. On this planet if you are a certain animal, you get abused repetitively and sometimes through generations, in case if you are a chicken or a cow. - Fish, chicken, cows, ducks get mass produced and eaten, including their discretion such as eggs, milk. - Animal like foxes get skinned to produce fur clothing. Cows get skinned to produce leather clothes like shoes and belts. - Horses are being participated in horse racings Final point, this time about Moses, how disobedient were the Jews to not be able to walk to Israel in less than 40 years. It is a 2 weeks or at most a month travel on foot. 3# You dont know how your ancestors told you. But genetic studies can point your genes to geographical areas such as western Africa, and tell you that your ancestors were dark in their skin color. Our ancestors are the homophones and some peoples ancestors are the neanderthals. There are genetic studies that show this.. there is no need for evidence fossils. Thats why you religious people, are not that good in religious debates. You dont read many books such as physics, biology and history books. That results in many holes in your knowledge of the world and its history. Why do you believe that the universe was created 6,000 years ago? Dont you all the archeological evidence behind the Dinosaurs, Ice age and other evidence? Why not to believe in the evolution? Dogs have very adaptive genes. It takes them only 3 generations to change significantly for the the dog to look different. The problem is that you follow only one book.