Miley Cyrus

For the sake of disclosure, I have to say that the most I knew of Miley Cyrus before this debate was that she is some teenybopper pop star that I see on magazine covers when I go grocery shopping. I feel my life has improved from the research involved in this debate... "I am not 'just another forfeiter.'" -Indeed. An excellent return volley on this round, I must admit. "The burden of proof is not just on me. It is also your job to prove to me why Miley Cyrus is a good role model and just overall a good person and why you should be "pro" for her along with rebutting my claims . My job is to prove why she is a bad role model/ not a great person, etc. [Which I am getting to.] as well as rebut your claims." -Incorrect. You essentially commit the same fallacy twice here: Black and White (aka either/or). Based on the resolution, which you did not dispute and thus agreed to, your role is specific: proving that Miley Cyrus is a bad role-model. However, this doesn't mean that I have have to prove that she IS a GOOD role-model - at the most I have to prove that she is not NOT a bad role-model. My argument versus yours is contradictory, not contrary, as you would have the readers believe - this is where the fallacy occurs in respect to both the resolution to be debated, as well as the reality of the situation. She might be a good role-model, a mediocre role-model, or completely neutral. Proving any of the former would win me the debate. In simpler terms, I am not here to prove anything specific except "Miley is not a bad role-model," which can be done by refuting you and introducing doubt to the readers. "1. She posts naked/ inappropriate pictures of herself online and sends them off to other people. For example, the naked pictures she took of herself on her phone and sent of to her ex, Nick Jonas. Numerous scandals are unraveling being spread through the internet, magazines, T.V., and radio about "risky photos of Miley" being found. It has actually become "normal" so to speak. Nothing too new." -Incorrect. A hacker admitted to getting the pictures and posting them. Here Miley Cyrus is simply the victim of an invasion of privacy. "On July 12, 2008, a hacker known by the pseudonym TrainReq posted several photographs he claimed were of Miley on the website Digital Gangster. The purported photos included a shot of Cyrus posing in a shower wearing a white T-shirt, and a shot of Cyrus in sweat pants and T-shirt with her midriff showing. On the Digital Gangster site TrainReq states that he hacked Cyrus' e-mail to obtain the photos; other sources say that TrainReq allegedly hacked the photos from Cyrus' camera phone. TrainReq also went on to say the hacking occurred in early November 2007, but chose not to release the photos until now." -http://en.wikipedia.org... This was your only example, but as far as numerous scandals, etc, if you have no evidence then this point becomes irrelevant. Whatever one may think of it, the Hollywood rumour mill works on its own. It comes with territory. Damn "haters...." "2. She is not nice to others. Take for example the following videos..." Personally, I actually thought her parody was rather funny. Making inroads to a career in comedy now makes someone "careless, shallow, and rude"? It was an innocent attempt by young women that happen to be celebrities at satire. They (Miley and Mandy) didn't exactly call them and invite them over to their home in feigned friendship just so they could beat them up and post that on youtube. I also thought that video was funny, by the way:) "3. The music video of 7 Things. In this video, there is a picture of Nick and Miley with Nick's face scratched out and she is also wearing Nick's dog tag pulling it. Is this what we want 7 year old girls watching and saying "Oh! When I get in a fight with somebody I will just destroy their sentimental items and scratch their faces off of pictures? I hope not, but this is what is happening." -OK... So now expression via art (again, I use these terms loosely) that isn't a fairy-tale version of the world (contrast "Hannah Montana") makes a person a bad role-model? Better include every great artist that has lived. "After the sleepover scandal, where pictures of her kissing her friend surfaced all over the web, she replies with the phrase..." -You may view these actions/statements as immoral/wrong/inappropriate, but where is your license in moral tutelage? You have no right, or any expectation of rights, to impose your personal morality on anyone else, including Miley Cyrus or those that allegedly look up to her. Pictures of a kiss... she must be a bad role-model. "I think that I have proved my point..." -1)I disagree and 2)now you have a working knowledge of the mind of Miley? Or she simply told you she felt threatened and thus took said actions? and 3)There is a difference between being a fan of someone and considering them a role-model: I am a fan of Led Zeppelin and Guns n' Roses, but that doesn't mean that I either idolize them or consider them role-models. "Good Role Model: 'True role models are those who possess the qualities that we would like to have and those who have affected us in a way that makes us want to be better people. To advocate for ourselves and our goals and take leadership on the issues that we believe in. We often don't recognize our true role models until we have noticed our own personal growth and progress.'" -Definition accepted. This leaves the definition of "good" completely in the hands of the individual, and says nothing about any actual standard of judgement. "From my previous claims, I can honestly tell you that Miley Cyrus is not a good role model and therefore not a great person." -I am not conceding this point, but I have to tell you honestly that your logic is completely backwards here. Proper: "Miley Cyrus is not a great person, therefore she is not a good role-model." "You can see no better role model?! I do. Selena Gomez, Demi Lovato, and many other highly known teens that live a good and honest life, without having the numerous scandals and controversies attached." -Cyrus is obviously a bigger celebrity than either of these other girls. See above point on the Hollywood rumour mill. To humour you: "In 2007, Cyrus made a large contribution to the City of Hope (she gave $1 for every HM concert ticket sold) 'The cool thing about being a part of City of Hope is that they are a cancer research center. They're not only helping kids that are there, but also finding out how they can heal them by figuring out what exactly is going on, which is amazing.'[39]" -http://en.wikipedia.org... Back to you, slammin:) Britt