There is no such thing as God

1# Rebuttal The Accountability argument was mentioned because you asked why one instead of billions. I also stated "By a process of illumination the billions of gods can be eliminated to leave only one that is more logical to follow than the others. " By examining the logic in their teaching you eliminate the billions of gods in the Hindu system (who are the only reason there is probably a billion gods around) that also teaches reincarnation to end up with one logical path to follow. There is only one God for Israel because that was what God and Israel agreed to in a covenant. In fact, atheist again misunderstands the god concept. There are in fact many gods that exist in various forms. Satan is called the god of this world. The Roman emperors and Persian kings were worshiped as gods. The Emperor of Japan is believed to be divine etc. Therefore many gods do exist because they have the power in SOME MEASURE to perform acts that a God would have. What distinguishes the God of the Bible from the rest as the only true God is because the other gods are created and has to bow to the will of the supreme un-created God. This is seen in the prophecies recorded in the Bible where God decrees something and it comes to pass just like He said. No one is more powerful to stop what He decrees. My religious orientation is not based on supremacy but logic, as stated in my opening round. The Torah recounts history and simply finding writings that predates it does not mean that because it was written in Mesopotamia or somewhere else that the story itself is therefore older and more valid. In the book of Job he states that he HEARD and kept the LAWS of Israel by only HEARING of them. Job is believed to be the oldest book in the OT. It is a logical fallacy to assume origin based on first appearance in some record found because they could have also recounted the Israel story based on oral tradition like Job did. Your point regarding people fighting each other does not prove much. Muslims fight Muslims (Sunni and Shiite), Christians fight Christians; Atheists fight each other and so on. All it proves is people will use whatever reason to engage in war. Some reasons more valid than others I suppose. 2# Rebuttal How many times have you told a lie that inflicted mental or physical pain on someone? How many times did a simple white lie to someone affect another person in a bad way? How many times have you cheated someone or stolen someone"s property that affected their material wealth? You add the words "excessive" in your definition. Whether excessive or not, stealing lying, cheating causes pain and loss to someone else no matter how small. To show the absurdity of argument I will give an example. Should someone be caught and trialed for rape if he only did it once and suffer the full wrath of the law? After all, once is not excessive right? It is not like he did it many times before getting caught. We can list the ten commandments and you will be found guilty on many accounts I am sure. Does this mean you cannot exist because you are also "immoral"? Quite clearly morality does not determine existence. I always fail to see how anyone can use morality as an argument for existence. There are many many people who are moral and immoral to various degrees right now EXISTING on this earth. Rejecting God is not being skeptical. Rejection is also not taken lightly in society. People being ignored can even be driven to murder. A situation where a father who rejects a child turns into hatred and resentment. The list goes on and on. I asked in the previous round to state what you deem moral and who your authority is in determining what is moral. I ask again because you stated that sending people to hell is immoral. Another question: Is it immoral to send a person to jail to live a life of suffering because he rejected a certain countries law? Is that immoral? Moses did not marry a 9 year old girl, Mohammed did. He also did not kill a gypsy guard but an Egyptian guard. Moses also did not mislead the Hebrews for 40 years. He led them there because of their disobedience. There are a number of things you do not consider. The Egyptians was forewarned what will happen when they choose to disobey God. They could have saved their children but chose not too. Secondly the Bible states that children up until a certain age are not held accountable and go to heaven regardless of their parents, or country born in, religious convictions. The Bible states why God chose the Israelite's. It was not an accident and the reason you mention to discredit God actually shows His mercy and faithfulness to a disobedient people. 3# Rebuttal Heaven is attained by trusting someone else and not yourself. This is the difference between true Bible teaching and the rest of the world"s religions. All religions and perversions of Christianity teach you can do some work to enter Heaven. The Bible teaches faith in Jesus Christ alone. So no, I am not basically saying what you state and it does not matter what your background or abilities are, everyone has the ability to believe and those who do not is excused as found in Romans 1 & 2. Again something from another debate, proof for God: "Jesus Christ came to earth and was shown to be the Son of God. His life, miracles and legacy is well attested to by various Christian and non-Christian sources. The very word "Christ" designates the Messiah of the OT and when studying the term Christ in the OT it is clear that Christ was said to be God. Therefore, there is historical evidence for the existence of God who came to earth and made know his will to mankind. That makes sense to me that a loving Creator would do something like that. The limitations of science are evident in that it cannot conclusively prove or disprove historical evidence. Try doing an experiment to determine who your ancestor was 100 generations ago. It is a fact accepted that I must have had an ancestor because I am here today. Having said that and believing that based on logic, not material evidence, I must admit that I do not know what my ancestor looked like; I never met him and know absolutely nothing about him. I bet it is the same with just about everyone reading this right now." You ask why do decease and all the evil exist? It is because of man"s choice. Disease does not determine whether you go to hell or not. But let me ask you a question too. Since God does not exist according to you, why does disease and suffering exist?