The Dark Knight is not oscar-worthy.

In this final round, PRO has opted to summarize my previous argument as well as to introduce the arguments he originally suggested he'd introduce. In terms of the Dent argument, I shall respond to his attempt to demonstrate the film's order as well as show the problems with my understanding of the order. 1. HD's rise to becoming the district attourney as well as Gotham's white knight was suggested to happen in the events before the film. We are merely seeing him do the tasks required of both roles in this film. 2 and 3. As interesting as PRO's attempt to make this film seem repetitive is, I think I speak for everyone when I say that it would be better if PRO actually provided some evidence to favor this idea. 4. In response to me proving that Dent is willing to take a man's life based on chance as well as demonstrating this to be a character flaw, PRO essentially counters by saying "Nuh-uh as well as bringing up the fact that Dent was trying to capture a homicidal maniac. I nor the audience should find any fault in Dent's ends. Rather, it is his MEANS that is questionable. If anything, PRO has simply provided us with an extra character flaw as he has brilliantly shown that Dent believed that the ends justify the means. Of course, we as the audience nkow better in that using the methods of a homicidal maniac does not justify capturing the a homicidal maniac. 5. See "2 and 3." 6. See "2 and 3" 7. Conveniently, PRO leaves out the fact that the Joker reduced everything Dent values to dirt; the Joker took away Dent's faith in Gothem as well as his pillar of support. Ergo, he snapped. And given that he already had a character flaw (one that enabled him to nearly murder a man before coming Two Face), the transition was perfect. 8. Again, PRO is essentially saying nothing more than "Nuh-uh" to my character flaw argument as well "nuh-uh" to my explanation of the Joker's methods against Dent. Basically, if one COMPLTELY IGNORES these WELL ESTABLISHED part of the storyline, then yes, it's easy to accuse TDK of being choppy or whatever else PRO has complained about. 9. This should be seen as PRO saying "nuh-uh" to me pointing out how Two-Face is merely nothing more than an extension/tool of the Joker as well as a means to develop Bruce Wayne into making the sacrifice that he makes at the end. This is completely opposite to Anakin Skywalker (who is the MAIN character in SW). Now, in response to the so-called scenes which venture well beyond WSOD: A) This is rather simple. Could it be that maybe Harvey Dent (the reason the Joker even showed up to the party) was nowhere to be found, thus giving the Joker no further reason to be at the party? Or perhaps is it the fact that the Joker believed Batman was Harvey Dent after watching him save Rachel (as he points out in my video source). If that were the case, there would still be no further reason to leave the party. For that matter,taking the time to filmthe Joker walk out of a simple door would be a waste of time, no? http://www.youtube.com... B) Who says that officer was highly trained? For that matter, we've seen the Joker go toe-toe with Batman two times in the film. If he can hold his own against batman, then it's quite reasonable to suggest that he would have been more than capable of taking down a simple police officer in a fist fight. As for getting a knife, given that these knives were inside the detention center, there doesn't seem to be much of a mystery here either. As for the explosion, given that the Joker was the one responsible for it, maybe he understood the radius of such an explosion and was fully aware of how far he had to be away. You know, like an average soldier knowing the blast radius of his hand grenade? As for PRO's finale, I agree that we are debating whether or not this movie can win an Oscar. When I had initially saw that PRO/the instigator provided no argument for this in his first round, I was willing to let this slide given that he was new to this site and that he was apparently more interested in discussing this film's flaws. However, if PRO wants to play that way, I have no problem. I disagree that Ledger's performance was an individual accomplishment. The Joker's depravity was a significant building block in the plot, thus, one could insist that Ledger's performance greatly contributed to the plot. Finally, neither of PRO's sources are reliable given that they are merely blog like opinion websites (although at least one of the websites INITIALLY provides the opinion of two self proclaimed "big" oscar fans). ANYONE could sign up and post their opinion to either website. Regardless though, it would still be PRO's job to prove that the TDK can get rooted out of the list with those other films. He has not done so. Since PRO has failed to uphold his stance as the instigator, you are to vote CON as I have successfully countered every argument insinuated. Thanks for the debate!