Capitalism

As in the same fashion as earlier, I will respond to each of your 10 points. I will point out more fundumential flaws in your argument. Response to Point 1: Socialism may be a classless society, but everybody will feel poor, which makes the poor's situation no better than before than instatement of Socialism. It is also important to remember that it affect greatly the Middle and Upper classes. So instead of the miniscule 15% who are poor (in socialistic terms) in a Capitalistic society, you have a percentage of 95% (where the only people who do not fit the category are top party leaders, which is quite an irony). And no, "Pro Agrees" statement. I am agreeing with you on the facts, not the opinion or logic (which does not foretale that I agree with you). Response to Point 2: What is their to elaborate on? Can you not understand a higher-order debate? I laid out my argument fair and simple. But I will reproduce a condensed version here. Yes, Marx did refer to a utopia (no "Pro Agrees". I will keep saying this at places where you will say that I agree with you. Remember, if I agree with you on anything, it is the cold hard facts, not the straightforward opinion or logic which matters in this debate). And yes, utopia would be nice. But it is unattainable. Or, a Communist state will never reach utopia. Why? Because one, people will never agree to give away their money, and two, utopia is not "utopia" as we know it. It is basically just a state where everybody is poor. The fact that people will never agree to the re-distrubution of their income permits the Totalitarian State to say in place permenantly. Or, the state will me militant until is failure as a state. Look at the former USSR. No utopia after 75 years. North Korea, no utopia after 60 years. Cuba, no utopia after 50 years. There has never been a Communistic state that has ever reached utopia. That is why states like North Korea or Cuba will always remain impoverished. Is this clear enough? Response to Point 3: Again, I agree with you on the un-refutable facts. But Locke's theories do not back up the Marxist theory. They simply restate it. There is no proof that Communism will ever reach utopia. Hence all of the failed Communist countries. Response to Point 4: It's simple. As with Locke's theories, OWS has not and will not confirm the Marxist doctorine. They will simply make Communistic agendy worse. What I meant by they are not a viable back-up source is, would you trust a bunch of dirty, stupid, young people who do not even know what they are protesting (Yes. In several cities, it has been confirmed that hundreds of OWS protestors are not looking to end Capitalism, but just to find a place to camp on public ground). Do they sound reliable to you? Response to Point 5: Again, I only agree with you on the facts. You posted a fact, not a debateable opinion. Yes, Capitalism implies a stock market. So? Is that bad? You have not said stocks markets are bad. You have just said that Capitalistic countries have them. Not debateable. Response to Point 6: China is a great example of a Capitalistic Economy. Yes, they do have a Communistic Government, but they do have a free market where businesses run themselves, and the economy functions smoothly without the interference of the Government. They may have been around for ages, but they have only been Communist since the 1950s. They were a monarchy until then. Response to Point 7: In Capitalism, the top 85% get richer, and the bottom 15% may get poorer. In socialism, the top 5% get a lot richer, and the bottom 95% get a lot poorer. Kind of lopsided statistics, don't you think? Let me try to make this clear. In Capitalism, there are rich, normal (middle class), and poor. In Socialism, there is a very small percentage of rich and the rest are poor. Response to Point 8: I have no idea what you are trying to say. I am saying that OWS can not lead to Communism or Fascism. It wants the ideals in place (no "pro agrees"), but it can not enforce them. They are a small group of dirty people who know little about the complex world of politics. I hope the voters realize this. I hope the voters realize that OWS is not a viable source. Response to Point 9: I couldn't refute. Again, another fact. Your original comment is useless. It has nothing to do with Capitalism. This is cheating. You are getting off subject. Response to Point 10: Again, more facts. Un-refutable. Yes, Communism is Socialism's perfected state. I didn't say I agree with either of them. So here, I have either exposed your flaws or agreed with you on the cold hard facts. I hope the voters realize that I am clear, and that is you who can not understand an intelligent debate. I hope the voters realize that I d not agree with him as long as they are not facts. If I refuted them, well that would be the end of my debate. It is a trick. He is trying to get me to refute them. I will not fall for it. I also hope that voters penialize you heavily for your grammar and spelling. I urge a strong Pro ballot.