Jesus is not GOD [2]

This is my first argument and like the most.. because i have never seen someone comes and gives me simple clear plain answer - is jesus said (hebrow/greek) " I AM GOD/ I AM GOD ALMIGHTY/AM GOD AND THERE IS NO GOD BESIDE ME etc... Jesus in his entire ministry NEVER uttered this words once, hence he fails in the first criteria. why im saying that? because god CLEARLY and EXPLICITLY declares who he is, by saying I AM GOD: 1) sa 45:5 I [am] the LORD, and [there is] none else, [there is] no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me. 2) Jer 32:27 Behold, I [am] the LORD, the God of all flesh: is there any thing too hard for me? (there are 16 references in the previous debate.) So we see God CLEARLY and EXPLICITLY declares who he is, he doesn't leave it open to question or guesswork, he plainly says it. unlike jesus never ONCE in clear plain Hebrew or Greek ever said I AM GOD, OR I AM GOD ALMIGHTY, OR I AM GOD AND THERE IS NO GOD BESIDE ME. God says I AM GOD, Jesus never said it once. --- God is not a MAN nor the SON OF MAN: Numbers 23:19: God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good? 1 Samuel 15:29: And also the Strength of Israel will not lie nor repent: for he is not a man, that he should repent. So the God of the Bible makes it very clear that he is not a man, nor the son of man! now what jesus said? John 8:40: But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham. So Jesus is a man, God is not a man, - Jesus is not God. moreover the Greek word used for man is called Anthropos, and this is from where we get the word anthropology which is basically the study of humanity! Secondly, the word Anthropos in the Greek language is used to distinguish man from God! So Jesus used a word to describe himself which clearly separates and distinguishes him from God! To sum it up when one is called Anthropos it means he isn't God, but a man/human like all others, separate from the divine creator. ---God's nature DOESN'T CHANGE, it is FOREVER THE SAME: Malachi 3:6: For I am the LORD, I CHANGE NOT. So the God of the Bible's nature does not change. --- God attributes: -Gods main attributes is that he is ALL-KNOWING, yet when we read the Gospels we find that Jesus displayed ignorance on 2 separate occasions: 1) Matthew 24:36: "No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. 2) Mark chapter 11 verses 12-13: And on the morrow, when they were come from Bethany, he was hungry: And seeing a fig tree afar off having leaves, he came, if haply he might find any thing thereon: and when he came to it, he found nothing but leaves; for the time of figs was not yet. So as you can clearly see, Jesus is not all knowing. -God is all-powerful,but according to bible jesus was not powerful at all. Jesus fled from King Herod as the Gospel of Matthew chapter 2 tells us. Imagine this, the all powerful God fleeing from a tyrant king who wants to kill him?! --- In the Gospels God GAVE Jesus all power and authority: -Jhon 13:3 Jesus knowing that the Father had given all things into his hands, and that he was come from God, and went to God; - John 17:6-8: 6 I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word. 7 Now they have known that ALL THINGS whatsoever thou hast given me are of thee. 8 For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me. - Jhon 12:49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. - Jhon 7:16 Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me. - God is perfect: Mat 19:16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? [there is] none good but one, [that is], God: So here we see that Jesus denied that he was good in the absolute sense of good, which is perfect, perfect like God and saying "why call me good!". --- Who Jesus declared himself to be: He was a prophet (Matthew 13:57) He was the Messiah (Matthew 16:20) This is what Jesus explicitly and clearly said about himself, he was a prophet, the messiah, and not one of these terms denotes divinity or making one God. So did Jesus want the people to believe that he was God? The answer is NO, he wanted the people to believe that he was SENT from God, two different, as Jesus himself said in many places: And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. (John 17:3) Now are we sure that thou knowest all things, and needest not that any man should ask thee: by this we believe that thou camest forth from God. Jesus answered them, Do ye now believe? (John 16:30-31). ---Did the people believe that Jesus was God? Matthew Chapter 16 13-14: When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am? 14 And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets. jesus asks the disciples what the people were saying about him, and note, none of them were saying he was GOD, rather they were saying he was some prophet. VERSE 15: He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? 16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ. - disciples believed that Jesus was the Christ, they did not say we believe that you are God, or the divine son of God. It would have been very easy for them to have said we believe that you Jesus is God himself, the divine son of God! Yet no such statement was made. John the Baptist said - Behold the Lamb of God (John 1:26) did he say Divine Son of God or God?No. another witness - this is the Son of God. (John 1:34) The term son of God to the Israelites did not denote divinity or made one God, it simply meant a righteous man of God, a prophet, or the Messiah. "Sir, I perceive that thou art a prophet. (John 4:19)" - The lady believes that Jesus is a prophet; she does not say that I perceive you to be God, or the divine son of God. Did the believers debate whether Jesus was simply a prophet, and the messiah? Or was he more than that and God himself?. the earliest believers of Jesus, in the Gospel of John, debated amongst each other on whether Jesus was the prophet of 18:18 or if he was the Messiah! How interesting is that? That 2000 years ago in Palestine while Jesus was there in his ministry, the people were not debating as we are today, if Jesus is prophet or God, nay, rather they were debating whether he was a Prophet or Messiah!. "Many of the people therefore, when they heard this saying, said, Of a truth this is the -Prophet. Others said, This is the Christ. But some said, Shall Christ come out of Galilee?" (John 7:40-41) ---Jesus has a God John 20:15-18: 5 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? whom seekest thou? She, supposing him to be the gardener, saith unto him, Sir, if thou have borne him hence, tell me where thou hast laid him, and I will take him away. 16 Jesus saith unto her, Mary. She turned herself, and saith unto him, Rabboni; which is to say, Master. 17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God. 18 Mary Magdalene came and told the disciples that she had seen the LORD, and that he had spoken these things unto her. here a man is claiming he has a God, which is the same God as your God, would you actually then believe that this man is also God? Of course not! The fact that Jesus declares that he has a God is not surprising at all, because he is a man, a prophet, so off course he has a God, yet when people claim that Jesus IS God then this sounds very strange doesn't it? God saying I have a God? I don't think so people, let us use our common sense and rationality, a man is saying he has a God, do you really believe that he is God? here my points : -Jesus fails the attributes of God -Jesus identified himself with terms such as prophet and Messiah -The eyewitness believers did not believe that Jesus was God -Jesus has a God! Put all of that together and consistently you will arrive at the conclusion that Jesus is not God and believe me every time im reading his sayings. Even in the modern age there are churches in Asia, in Africa, the Unitarian church, the Jehovah's witnesses, and even the majority of today's Anglican Bishops do not worship Jesus as God. In the British newspaper the "Daily News" 25/6/84 under the heading "Shock survey of Anglican Bishops": "More than half of England's Anglican Bishops say that Christians are not obliged to believe that Jesus Christ was God, according to a survey published today. The pole of 31 of England's 39 bishops shows that many of them think that Christ's miracles, the virgin birth and the resurrection might not have happened exactly as described in the Bible. Only 11 of the bishops insisted that Christians must regard Christ as both God and man, while 19 said it was sufficient to regard Jesus as 'God's supreme agent'". But what is a messenger of God? Is he not "God's supreme agent"?. John 17:3 - "And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent." Bart D. Ehrman book - Jesus: Apocalyptic Prophet of the New Millennium (havent read yet...) http://www.amazon.com... the previous debate: http://www.debate.org...