God (Yahweh) Is Immoral Based On The Book Of Job

"What do we all base our morality on?" ~ "Christ is Yahweh" You maintain Yahweh became Christ so that he could be tested in every way that he tests everyone correct? I know a lot of people believe that, but to me it's kind of silly because if so, Yahweh talks to him self. Matthew 3:17 "And a voice from heaven said, "This is my dearly loved Son, who brings me great joy." You're going to bring up that the Trinity and "god" is like a triangle with the Father, Son, and the Spirit being separate but together. That already is an illogical, when you say separate but together. Then you say, "It's beyond human comprehension." So I can't understand it, but I should believe it, because I can't understand it. That makes no sense. Example Bob says, "I rode my pink unicorn to work." Alan sees Bob's car right there and replies, "No you didn't." Then Bob says, "Alan, you can't comprehend my pink unicorn, that's why you can't see it. You just have to believe." Question's the Con must answer: Who is the crazy one in pink unicorn analogy? Bob or Alan? ~ Looking though the eyes of Yahweh. Yahweh: "Looking back would I want to be tried and tested and found faithful and true even unto death? Answer: Yes. Where are you getting this scripture? I don't think it's from the Bible. I think you made that up. Plus we can't understand the mind of Yahweh remember? Thus we can't look though his eyes, according to you. ~ Con: "Christ wasn't forced to do anything." Then you don't believe in Luke 22:42 "Saying, Father, if you are willing, remove this cup from me. Nevertheless, not my will, but yours, be done." It's very clear he didn't want to be crucified. ~ Con: "Job chose to fight." You're referring to fighting evil, sin or the Satan right? Well, Satan couldn't attack Job before because: Job 1:10 "You have always put a wall of protection around him and his home and his property. You have made him prosper in everything he does. Look how rich he is!" He has a wall around him. When Yahweh lifts that wall of protection the horrific problems start. If Job was fighting a battle, Yahweh started the war and let the enemy come in to "test" him. That's not a good commander, let alone "god". ~ Con: "God didn't exact murder on anyone in the story. Pro is ignoring one of the agents in the story. God saw the final outcome beyond this life. The final outcome was good, thus it was allowed to happen. This is where omniscience comes in. If you know the eternal outcome of a loss is good, are you morally obligated to stop the loss, or are you morally obligated to allow the loss?" The ends justify the means or utilitarian philosophy. Definition of Utilitarian Philosophy: "Utilitarianism is the idea that the moral worth of an action is solely determined by its contribution to overall utility in maximizing happiness or pleasure as summed among all people. It is, then, the total utility of individuals which is important here, the greatest happiness for the greatest number of people." Video about the Trolley problem: What you contend, is Yahweh is a utilitarian believing if we are tested, we will learn something from the test thus be follow him. The problem is he is the one causing the problem. He allows Satan to murder Job's family and workers. If Yahweh was a true utilitarian, he would realize that he is causing others grief as well, not just Job. What about all the families of all the workers? They can't live without their provider. But of course this is a test to them too right? Wrong. It's murder if you invite someone to commit murder. You are an accessory. Job 1:12 The Lord replied, "All right, Satan, do what you want with anything that belongs to him, but don"t harm Job." Then Satan left. Yahweh chooses to let bad things happen. I'm not saying to have him interfere with human's doing bad things to each other here. All I'm saying is, if he hadn't have lifted the wall from around Job, basically leaving him alone, his workers and his family would still have been alive. ~ Con: " If there is no darkness, there is no proof that we are good without facing darkness. Without darkness, there would have been no way for us to watch God prove that He loved us. " So if I don't try and drowned my kid every week, then at the last second save him, he won't know to love me? Being mean to someone isn't preparing them. It's just being mean. We go though enough bad stuff without Yahweh saying, "I need to put you though more bad stuff, so you can love me!" Maybe, this is just too simple for Yahweh, but how about being nice, then we might love him? Just a thought. ~ Con: "I believe Pro adheres to a black and white version of reality." I'm shocked any religious person would say this, to answer the question, I don't. I know there are varying degrees of good and evil in everyone including Yahweh. I'd say that this passage is pretty messed up, Deuteronomy 22:28 "If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, 29 he shall pay her father fifty shekels[a] of silver. He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives." But then this is really good, Mark 12:31 "The second is this: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' There is no commandment greater than these." It all comes down to the base of morality. Empathy. ~ I don't want Yahweh to "Make everyone good" or "Make life easy". When did I ever say that? Not wanting Yahweh to send Satan to kill our families or destroy our lively hoods is different than saying he should "perfect" us. ~ "There are almost 2 billion Muslims who believe in Sharia Law." The Catholics at one time oppressed people. How is it different? Religion makes monsters out of us all. Thanks for proving my point. Democracy is a relativity new idea. A lot of it coming from the enlightenment age. Most religions tell you not to question authority. Mark 12:17 "Jesus said to them, "Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar"s, and to God the things that are God"s." And they marveled at him." Of course Sharia is against Democracy so is every religious totalitarian society. Even in our own country, we had Jim Crow laws which treated minorities as second class citizens. Half the population was also oppressed until the women's rights movements. Democracy is a form of secularism. It's not Christian. Christians have nothing to do with it. In fact they have been fighting against it. Christians agreed with slavery, oppressing women, and mistreatment of minorities. No not all do, but it's taken a long time to get there. This proves my democratic values have nothing to do with being Christianized. ~ Because we are in "gods" computer? How do you know it's Yahweh? Flashes of light must be "god". Riiight. You can't prove aliens! I never said I wanted to. All we say is it's a possibility. We even say "god" is a possibility. However improbable. ~ Yahweh allows Job's family to be killed, Job 1:12 The Lord said to Satan, "Very well, then, everything he has is in your power, but on the man himself do not lay a finger." You ignored my bases for my morality because I already gave it to you. The Golden Rule. A. One should treat others as one would like others to treat oneself. B. One should not treat others in ways that one would not like to be treated. C. What you wish upon others, you wish upon yourself. You didn't answer this: If Yahweh told you that he wanted you to murder every unbeliever you came across, would you do it? Because if it comes from "god" it must be moral right? A. If your answer is yes, then you are just like the extremists in Isis, who you condemn. B. If your answer is no, then you are questioning the authority of "god" to determine what is moral or immoral. Religious people do what ever "god" tells them. Human beings use empathy to see another person's point of view. What is your morality?