The Dark Knight Rises Was A Superior Movie To The Avengers (Assemble)

Lead Character: My opponent is right, this movie had a lot more of Bruce Wayne out of costume, part of its crippling down grade in terms of action that fans had loved about the Dark Knight. I haven’t a lot particular problems with Bales acting, but my opponent has lost his mind if he thinks the same guy that went off on this tangent http://www.telegraph.co.uk... would ever deserve an Oscar. Christian Bale is a Jerk. I would also like to not my opponent has made much more of a romantic notion out of some parts of the film than are actually present in it like in this statement here… “…because he still thinks of himself as Batman first and Wayne second. It is only when he lets go of that notion, and realise what he can do when he thinks of himself as simply a man fearful of staying in prison for all of what remains of his life, that he's at last…” I don’t recall any scene in the prison where ‘he thinks of himself as Batman’ or even a ‘letting go’ of any notion about his self-identity. His fear of remaining in prison was spoken of in a Batman type since in that he was afraid to remain in prison while he watches his city burn. And he had to try and escape without the ropes protection, so the fear of death from falling would propel him to jump. And this is sort of neat in itself but you cant make it out to have anything to do with the rest of the movie. My biggest problem with Wayne’s character in this last film is he’s not the Wayne we all know and love and went to the movie to see, not during all of it anyway. He starts out a cripple for literally no reason as if a billionaire like him with his driven personality would have never recovered from the fall he took facing against two-face in the last film when we saw him survive worse falls. And then after its established he is a cripple retired from the Batman business he gets some metal braces on his legs as if that should be enough for us think he could be in fighting shape again. This did not pass as believable enough to make him not need a cane anymore to me. Point is, Bruce Wayne is a character that is supposed to be Mcyver, Sherlock Holmes, and Goku all wrapped up into one, and the thing that defines him the most is his epic drive and will power. Bruce would never have left his body in such a state for so long, he would have kept in shape and recovered from his past leg injuries by then. And though Bruce would have had to stay away from the police in the wake of the last films events, he would have still been doing stuff as Batman. He is defined by his driviness and this movie had none of that drive for the bulk of it. Instead we find out lead character to be a broken apathetic reclusive man who once being teased into doing anything again, does so half-heartedly. Lead Hero: As my opponent said there is very little of actual Batman in costume and in action time in this film. Its such a down-grade in action that some of my friends that are big fans of the previous films said they thought this movie was boring. And after 2 films that set the terms for really getting into the importance of how Batman uses fear to take out his enemies for him to just walk up and get into a fist fight with Bane after having a man-to-man chat with him……it’s a major let down. My opponent makes WAY TOO much out of his final fist fight with Bane later in the film, its basically just the same stupid fist fight except in the daylight making it even less Batman worthy of a fight. Considering Batman is master martial artist and supposedly Bane got trained by the same people too one should expect a final fight scene that couldn’t be recreated by ‘rockem-sockem-boxers’. Even G. I. Joe has better ninja fights than Bane and Batman’s final battle and considering this was the final for a trilogy of movies, it should have met a bar raised higher than G.I. Joe. In any case, even if all the Batman action had been done well, perfect even, the movie I defend had 6 heroes worth of amazing Avenger action. And there was lots of it, worthy of sequaling 3-5 films depending on how you look at it that had great action in there own rights… And my opponent has completely lost his mind if he thinks that rockem-sockem fight with Bane is ‘more intense’ than anything in the Avengers film, Iron Man makes us feel the stretching of his limits long before the big finally with the nuke when he dives into ‘the whale’. And Iron Man Vs Thor, and Thor Vs Hulk battle. These battles fulfilled the expectations we would want between these powerhouses in terms of power action, and range of destruction. Not to mention the 6 heroes dealing with an entire space pirate army in the city that made it look intense even for the hulk there for a few seconds as he’s being hit by a shower of bullets/lasers. Lead Villain: Bane is given a Darth Vader rip-off voice in this rendition of Bane because of some damage that occurred to his throat, and the effect fails to live up to Darth Vader expectations for it because of his strange accent. While I will argue both Loki and Bane are mostly just stereotypical elements we expect to have our villains have with the exception that Loki has an interesting relationship with Thor, the Actor for Loki needed no Gay Darth Vader voice to sound more menicing. Loki also has actual powers, and dosent even need to use them to there absolute full extent to cause pretty interesting chaos though out the film. Meanwhile Bane who in almost every rendition of him has had a super steroid of some kind that makes him so strong and a match for Batman, in this movies version there is none of that. While I’m glad Bane in this film was way better than the Bane that was in the George Clooney ‘Batman and Robin’ film, I’m not glad the venom element was removed. Batman is incredibly trained and able to take on opponents that are bigger than himself. He is Ra’s greatest apprentice in this batman trilogy and Bane was supposedly rejected by Ra’s Al Ghul. With Bane having no formal explanation for his great strength that puts him on a superhuman level, it beg’s the question how could he ever beat Batman? Supporting Cast: The job of supporting Cast is to help show and define the main character the movie is actually about. Another one of Michal Pillar’s words of wisdom about his career writing for Star Trek, if another writer ever came to him with a story for a new episode they wrote, and it was all about this new character they created, He wouldn’t take it without having it edited to tell a story about the actual main characters, so instead of having a story about android girl named Lol, he would have a story about Data learning to be a Father for his daughter. To my observation most of all the side characters bring more out of other side characters Like Bane, or Gordon, or Alfred, than we really see them pull out of Bruce in this film. Plot Quality: My opponent answers Rodenberry’s question “whats it about” by saying the movie is about secrets and lies and the bad things that happen when the truth comes out. I suppose that would be an okay theme for a movie…if it were not a super hero movie. The whole point of a movie having a super hero as the main character is to in some way show a story about heroism or something in its relation to a hero. How does TDKR play the secrets and lies story on heroism? Well by the time the movie explains that the line comes ‘He’s the Hero Gotham Deserves, not the one it needs’ which is a weird, non-understandable statement that only sounds cool and deep but actually makes no sense. Meanwhile Teamwork, embracing differences fantastically compliments a movie about superheroes. Comic Justice: the name of the detective that discovers who Batman is and later becomes Batman…..is not Dick Grayson, Tim Drake, Jason Todd, or even ‘Stephen’ Brown. They named him ‘Robin’ John Blake.