I actually met god in a dark back corner of a busy street

You asked me where does morality come from? Well I know killing is wrong and I didn"t need, nor require anybody to tell me that one even though your god has committed countless genocides for absolutely no reason at all, including 500,000 of his own supposedly chosen people which is truly appalling. So god had no morality. I didn"t need nor require my parents to tell me that stealing was wrong. I didn"t and in all conscious have never have had the need to. Adultery, well who cares? Lying, I did it all the time when I was a kid. I don"t do it anymore. Its a very bad idea. DON"T do it IF you want to keep ANY friends and loved ones. PERIOD. They will walk away if you do. They will also walk away if you try to trump evidence from something in which you clearly know nothing about and yet you pretend that you do. If you don"t know your subject matter, steer clear from it until you do. The Aborigines, nearly all native American indian tribes, until the white man greasy sweaty pig white christian brethren nearly wiped and wiped them out, The Inca, those who believe in Gaia mother earth and treat the earth as "one" - as a living organism, Buddhists, Hindu"s, etc, they have a lot of morals. They are not perfect, but who is? But you don"t see them going to war over their god simply for the reasoning that the god of the bible tells you to, without an explanation of the why and the worshiping false gods/ idols is not a reason to kill someone. That"s immoral. And the "reason" is because god is jealous, in which, no supreme deity would ---ever--- get, is not a reason either. And nobody can prove that this god of the bible ---even--- exists. So what are christians fighting for? Jealous air from a superior ego complex. (Take away your god"s ego and you don"t have a bible.) That"s immoral on the delivery system of false hope. "More people have died in the name of god than for any other reason." George Carlin and he"s 100% correct. Immorality is easy to define. Morality is rather difficult for me to define because I"ve seen so much immorality my entire life. I could tell you some true stories that would turn your soul black and then I could tell you about me. One thing that I find truly disgusting about your religion in which your bible states point blank is that if you believe in christ you will get to heaven. That explicitly means that if I were to chop up 6 five year old girls, rape them, torture them, and then murder them and then stuff them into a box and then later in life, even if it was two days, I would get to heaven. Now if I do not believe in christ, I will never get to heaven even though I"ve done nothing wrong. I will---burn---in---hell. That"s me being completely moral, and your bible being completely jacked up as being completely 100% immoral. And goodie for me and billions of others, all the more power for me and them to ---never--- believe in this christ figure in which no one has proven has ever existed. "Well here"s the thing though, if I were in a situation where I could stop a child rapist, I would. That"s the difference between me and your god." Tracie Harris she"s right http://www.youtube.com... - christian negates his own morality Here"s a few good videos on morality http://www.youtube.com... - Objective MORALITY and VALUES - Atheist Experience (this is really good because there"s so many ways to define morality and Matt gets right into it) http://www.youtube.com... - Atheist debates - morality http://www.youtube.com... - god: Merciful? Maniac? Mass-Murderer? There"s A LOT on god and his complete immorality. There"s thousands of verses in YOUR bible on them. I can post a few if you"d like. Believe me, some are truly horrific and disgusting and I am certainly a much better person morally for not following this god especially because of all of his hate and evil, or any for that matter for the simple reason that they all give false hope as none are proved. Its not me that sees the bible this way, its an evil and hateful book that hates children + a whole lot more. OK here;s some selected verses from it showing this. Some repeat. That's only because of the subject matter and some you've already read. * god hates gays in his bible and wants them stoned to death LV 20:13 proving god hates,is evil and thus cannot be involved with love. * god hates anyone that does not believe in him in his bible 2 CHR 15: 12-13, ESPECIALLY if someone worships another god/ idols other than himself, thus wants to kill them DT 13: 9-10 and 17: 2-5 proving god hates, is evil and thus cannot be involved with love. * god endorses slavery in his bible EX 21 the entire chapter especially 20-21 which is truly sick and disgusting, LV 25:39, LV 25:42, LV 25: 44-46, DT 15: 12-15, DT 23: 14-16, MT 18:25, proving god hates, is evil and thus cannot be involved with love. * god gets jealous in his bible EX 20: 3-5, EX 34:14, DT 4: 23-24, DT 32: 16-17, DT 5:9, DT 6:15, JH 24:19, PS 79:5, PS 78:58, 2 COR 1:2, proving that he is evil, hates and thus cannot be involved with love. * god wants you to die in his bible if you break the sabbath EX 31:14, NU 15: 32-36 proving god hates and is evil and thus cannot be involved with love. * god wants to put you to death in his bible if you commit adultery LV 20:10 proving god hates, is evil and thus cannot be involved with love. * god has freely admitted in his bible numerous times that he IS evil IS 45:7, 2 SAM 12: 11-14 sick and disgusting, EX 32:14, 1 KS 1 22: 22-23, 2 CR 18:22, JM 19:3, JM 19:15, JM 23:12, AM 3:6, DT 30:15, 2 KS 22:16, JU 9:23 thus proving that he IS evil which is irrefutable and also proves he hates and thus cannot be involved with love. * god in his bible knowingly and truly hates children through numerous passages such as LM4: 9-11, MT 10:37, MT 2:16, JG 21:10, 2 SAM 12:11-14 which is truly sick and disgusting, DT 2:34, NU 31: 17-18, LV 26: 21-22, 1 SAM 15:3, HS 13:16, 2 KS 15:16, EZ 9: 5-7, HS 9: 11-16, EX 12: 29-30, IS 13: 15-18, MT 2:16, (EX 21:17, LV 20:9, MK 7:10, MT 15:4, MT 10:21), JG 11: 30-33, PS 137: 8-9, 2 KS 6: 28-29, DT 21: 18-21, DT 32:25, DT 2: 32-34, DT 3: 3-6, JG 19: 24-29, EX 12:29, 2 HS 2: 23-24, LV 26:29, JM 11: 22-23, JM 19: 7-9, JM 51: 22-26, 2 KS 8: 9-15,LM 2: 20-22, RV 2: 18-23 only to name a few proves god hates and is 100% pure evil and 100% proves he cannot be involved with love. * god hates women in his bible LM 4 9-11 sick and disgusting, HS 13:16 sick and disgusting, JD 21:10, 2 SAM 12 11-14 sick and disgusting, DT 2:34, NU 31 17:18, LV 26 21:22, 1 SAM 15:3, HS 13:16 sick and disgusting, DT 2 32-34, 2 KS 8: 9-15, 2 KS 15:16 sick and disgusting, EZ 9: 5-7, HS 9: 11-16, 2 KS 6: 28-29 sick and disgusting, JD 19: 24-29, LM 2 20-22 sick and disgusting, 1 COR 14:34,1 TY 2:12 proves god hates, is evil and thus cannot be involved with love. * god loves rape in his bible NU 31: 17-18, 2 SAM 12: 11-18 sick and disgusting, JD 19:24-29, JD 21: 10-24, DT 20: 10-14, DT 22: 28-29, DT 21: 10-14, JD 5:30, EX 21 7-11, ZE 14: 1-2 proving that he is evil, pure evil and nothing but, is filled with hate and thus cannot be involved with love. * god commits abortions who knows how many times within several verses in his bible, so that means that christians do not follow their god which is extremely hypocritical and contradictory from his bible HS 13:16 sick and disgusting, 2 KS 8: 9-15 sick and disgusting, 2 HS 15:16 sick and disgusting, HS 9: 11-16, and perhaps the biggest acts of abortions were committed in the great flood according to this so-called god of the bible in the great flood (which never happened btw) so who knows how many pregnant mothers died there in his bible thus proving this god to be nothing but pure evil, hate and thus cannot be involved with love. * god loves yummy cannibalism in his bible LM 2: 20-22, JM 11: 22-23, LV 26:29, 2 KS 6:28-29, LM 4: 9-11, proving this god to be truly sick and completely whacked out thus is evil, hates,and thus cannot be involved with love.. * Indeed god is far far far worse than Hitler, Mao, Pol Pot, Stalin, Hong Xiuquan, all serial killers, all rapists, all tortures, all pedophiles, all sadomasochists etc etc etc combined. After all god knowingly created them which means that he is ultimately responsible for them. Its either that or god is not a god and lets them off the hook with nothing but a tap on the shoulder for their horrific, disgusting, repugnant crimes and simply god---does---not---care. Now here's some examples of god"s sickened, diseased, abominable atrocities for absolutely no reason at all... the great flood according to the bible (which never happened btw) so who knows what the body count was there? 3,000 EX 32:27-28, 14,700 NU 16:49, 24,002 NU 25: 1-11, 12,000 JOS 8: 1-25, 10,000 JG 1:4, 120,000 JG 8:7-10, 42,000 JG 12:3-6, 1,000 JD 15:14-15, 3,000 JD 16:27-30, 25,101 JD 16:27-30, 1 SAM 4 34,002, 1 SAM 6:19 50,070, 2 SAM 8 65,850, 1 KI 20: 28-29 100,000, 1 KI 20: 30 27,000, KI 19 35 -37 185,000, 2 CHR 13 17-18 500,000!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, 2 CHR 28:6 120,000, Esther 9:5-18 75,813 etc etc etc Yeah god is really so moral huh? Nope.