In defence of Atheism, Prove me wrong

Before I begin, I"d like to apologize for some words which are repeated to a painful extent, but the argument presented necessitates it. I'll try to address this in segments. "Freddy my man. Unless your a Chick, FenderChick. I presume you're Russian. Xopowo!" It"s Fenderchic, and okay. "seeing as the debate has come to a stand still. Let me intrigue you first. And let this round be a forfeit of debate in favor of inspiration." I"m lost, what do you mean a standstill? We just exchanged introductions, we haven"t even begun yet. Also, are you inviting me to forfeit on the first point of the debate? "In a recent topic, whilst talking about Quantum mechanics, I stated, I am a "Notionist". It is a new theology I came too. perhaps an old theology lost to time, which stand to only support Christianity and can in no way conflict with it. Notionism: Is the idea, all things, everything, including even those things that do not or could not exist, exist without manifestation as notionable content. Even the un-notionable content, can be notioned to exist. This is Notionism." You seem to be suggesting that anything that can be conceived of exists in a very limited capacity as something-that-could-be-conceived-of. I would say that anything that can be conceived of has the property of "conceivable", but does not actually exist until that point. Additionally, you say that "un-notionable" content can be notioned to exist, which appears to be a plain contradiction. What is it you mean by "un-notionable"? I"m going to need you to clarify your terms a little more, the current phrasing just sounds nonsensical. "Everything that can be imagined is a notion. Unlike the manifested world inside time, which needs an origin to exist, Notions do not need an origin, as they are non-manifest. Accordingly, the wildest dreams exist." You"re going to try to confuse concepts here. Notions, as in our conceptions or beliefs about something, have an origin, which is with the person harboring them. Notions in this sense exist as a product of the mind, and do not exist in any meaningful capacity beyond us. In the other sense you"re going to try to use, you refer to the actual content of all possible notions, and say that because it could possibly be conceived of, it should be considered a notion in the first sense, that is, you"re trying to say that something possible is equivalent to something that actually exists. What"s really critical here is that you take it a step further, and rather than just saying that notions no one has exist, you"ve put forward that the content of all possible notions exists in a real sense in a "Notionverse", you later call it, which is "outside of Time". The wildest dreams exist as wild dreams, the content of these dreams is not actually manifested "outside of Time" in any capacity as far as we know, and you haven"t begun to provide any reason to think they might be. "Fractal universes, of infinite quantities. for second per second, ever single cell can b the only cell in that reality to be variable to another, and even the impossible can be notioned to take place second per second in any but not al notions, even time travel - unvailing an infinite cosmos of Notions." This is unintelligible, but it seems to be you expounding on the point I just addressed and isn"t actually important for any resolution of your claim. "This, all exists outside of Time, where God is. And he has experienced it all, and is all knowing of all things." I"m not convinced that anything exists outside of time. Please demonstrate that this is possible and explain how you know that your god does exist in this state, and is still able to influence our universe. "Because there is the notion of a universe without God, or lesser "Gods", only the Notion, of A Universal-Notionverse God who is self considerate! can truly be deemed God. A God who is not self considerate has the weakness of Being subjected to the will of the considerate, and inevitably, only the Loving God can win, whom cares about himselfmost, meaning also every contributing portion of his notionverse (those within, whom are himself as well). All other notions fall subject to his power." At first glance, it doesn"t appear that you know what considerate means, but it"s hard to tell. It doesn"t follow that a deity that isn"t considerate is subjected to the will of the considerate ones, and I don"t know why that would matter anyway. This is the oddest attempt to define your god into existence I"ve ever seen, you"ve set up a scenario where only the most self-considerate(?) god can come out on top, but is also having this battle with other, less self-considerate gods in a realm of possible notions that exists outside of time, and by being the only one left standing in this "Notionverse", he can then rule the other deities out of existence by being the strongest concept. Your god is of course the most self-considerate, so he must be the one that exists. Is that right? Am I following this correctly? This is like nothing I"ve ever seen, I don"t know what"s going on, but I"ll keep trying to make sense out of this. If I"ve understood you correctly, I conceive of a god that eats other gods. A hungry notion-Kratos. In fact, he prefers only the most self-considerate ones, and starting with the gods that are simply defined this way and can"t defy this nature, he eats all the other ones until only he"s left. This works, right? Because I can arbitrarily define him as the victor in this imaginary struggle between possible concepts? I wouldn"t need to conceive of it anyway, because it was possible that I could, so it"s always existed in your "Notionverse". Therefore, my god ate yours before I even saw your post, and you"ve been arguing for the wrong god your entire life. "I the Christian, Worship this God, who gave us the Only Manifest world, as the God Father of All things, The Omnipotent God. For this is an omnipotent being. His glory is such that, He is in fact un-notionable, and can not be perceived, for in the cosmos of notions, the unfathomable notions exist, and so, you can not begin to interpret his Mighty Awesomeness. so even fathomable, you fathom the True HIM not." I define my notion-Kratos as so glorious you can"t conceive of him. He can not be perceived in any sense, and yet exists, for in the Notionverse, all impossible concepts which are somehow still possible exist, and so, you can not begin to interpret his Mighty Libido. It"s funny that you included that segment about not being able to fathom the entirety of this being, I was going to say that whatever you"re worshipping isn"t actually the god you think it is because of the "True HIM" being outside of the limits of your imagination. Your image of God is a hollow, even insulting failure to depict the true glory of the one you claim to praise; why you"d bother going on with what may as well be blasphemy in worshipping this lesser notion is beyond me. "Because he cannot be perceived, God, this God, the only true one worthy of the word God, with a capital "G" { As that indicates his ultimate superiority in any true method of using the word. ] must do one thing, and only one thing, in the manifest. For everything else is in vain." You"re devolving into meaningless religious prattle that has no significance for anyone outside of your religion (and probably your head), and it appears you cut a good chunk out of some other point you were trying to make. Moving on. "He must create an acknowledgeable image for himself. That Image is our Lord, The savior of our existence, Jesus Christ, His first born son, the Wisdom of God, His first act of long ago. Jesus, our God, instilled with the power of his father, and all, and only the attributes the omnipotent decided for him to have, created life, loves it and keeps it. As an absolutely perfect form." Ah, I see, this is how you get away with praising your God without comprehending him. I don"t think that"s what most Christians would say Jesus" purpose was, but I"ll leave that aside and maintain that the stories about Jesus, his divinity, and even his existence are not givens. Please convince me that Jesus was a thing before talking about what he was for. "Jesus would not be subject to a multiverse of Notions involving sin. He is youthful and graciously kind, innocent, and blissfully unaware of the darkness to which he had not come. For he is the accumulation of all Notions perfection, that the Self considerate Loving Omnipotent Father can rejoice in his excellence as the God of all Godlihood" is this even real what am i reading "This is Notionism, and I find it bets describes my faith as a Christian. It logically is only in support of Christianity, and I can easily debate such a thing, because as I have said, The most self considerate God wins. In the fathomable notion that the most Powerful God exists as, every variation of self consideracy." Well, no, it isn"t. Even if I granted every premise of your argument, I would disagree that it leads to your god. I think. I"m still a little confused about the "most self-considerate" thing, but I can conceive of any number of gods that have and exhibit your god"s traits to an equal or greater degree, so it doesn"t really matter what that"s supposed to mean. Please don"t make me type "notion" in any of the following rounds, it"s giving me a headache.