Morality is subjective

Here is your premise "Firstly, since you have neglected to define morality, here is mine: morality, an individual's personal sense of right and wrong." WRONG , WRONG , WRONG your PERSONAL views are irrelevant Morality is plainly and simply, a set of LAWS developed people over MILLENIA, based on both legal and spitirual means you DO NOT have the right to determine good and evil, they are set in stone if you start down this dangerous path of thinking , you will quickly find yourself supporting EVIL. becuase those that are EVIL and promote it use this notion Then you simply ramble and then come to this ABSURD conclusion "you say abortion is immoral, and the Torah allows it up to the third trimester" Oh please! Cite me the passages from the Old testament (torah) that support in any way this point of view Now onto the rest of your absurd points "adultery, while many people dislike it, the people committing it obviously do not believe that it is wrong, so here is an example of two (groups of) people disagreeing about morality, about right and wrong, how subjective of them." This is NONSENSE Both adulertous people KNOW they are being wrong, and are guilty Thousands of murders are committed every year, and hundreds of thousands of lives, espcially those of children, RUNIED by this SELFISH behavior you dont think it hurts kids for their parents to bitterly divorce? you dont think that the amount of pain and anguish from broken trust matter? you dont think the ruined lives and permanent distrust that happen matter? HOW HEARTLESS and WRONG! ----- your next liberal point ------- "Murder, again people say it is immoral, but what is war but state-sanctioned murder. Seems odd, doesn't it. A random person kills someone, and is a murderer, yet a solder kills several people and is welcomed home a hero. Tad subjective, no? (Note: I'm not bashing our troops, just trying to make a point)" The ONLY justification your try and make here is the COMPLETELY UNJUJSTIFIBLE you ARE bashing the troops and calling them the same as the scum who shoots a clerk in cold blood in a 7/11 or the SCUM who bomb innocents in Islamic fashion or the SCUM like "Mumia Jamal" who murder police officers YOU NEED TO HAVE YOUR HEAD EXAMINED ----------- your next liberal point____________ "gossip, if this is such an immoral act (as you say), then why do so many people around the world buy tabloids? They are just gossip magazines after all. How subjective of the world." When you look at the Buddhist codes of conduct, seven out of 11 deal with speech What we say is incredibly important Many have died based on LIES and FALSE RUMOURS FALSE WITNESS is not only a crime but one of the worst possible things GOSSIP is talking ill about someone NOT in their presence , where they cannot defend themselves It is a low behavior that I will not tolerate the fact that when rumours or even events are spread word of mouth, the story changes dramatically THE TRUTH IS THE MOST IMPORANT THING OF ALL ----------your next liberal point--------------- "Gay marriage, while several (mostly right wing Christians) despise gay marriage as a horrible sin, many others disagree, like say, the gays. What a subjective way to feel about a subject." You seem to always grasp for this argument SUBJECTIVE SUBJECTIVE Isnt that a little bit weak? "Don't be an ageist, it's not an argument. It's your own personal feeling that the "young" don't have enough experience. To bad I disagree, how subjective of us." SUBJECTIVE SUBJECTIVE SUBJECTIVE Im sorry, but most kids are totally stupid and have no idea just how stupid they are the only thing that truly teaches is LIFE EXPERIENCE and your opinions are a perfect example- liberal sophistry finally you get something right "Your right in the statement "There is GOOD and EVIL" and "There is Right and Wrong" however, because everyone feels differently about what is good (right), and what is evil (wrong), they are both subjective ideals." SUBJECTIVE SUBJECTIVE SUBJECTIVE SUBJECTIVE SUBJECTIVE SUBJECTIVE you really need a new word "Take Christianity, it was once part of the Jewish church, but it split off (around 400 ad) because it disagreed (subjectively) with some parts of Judaism. Then in the protestant reformation, it split into two different sects because of some rather large (subjective) disagreements. I could go on, but you get the idea" So are you arguing that one is good and the other evil? Your final point shows your complete confusion "Your case is about how morality is what holds society together, however, as I have shown, this morality is entirely subjective. It is not morality (personal views) that holds society together, but the system of laws (societies) that it holds. Uhhhmm. How do you think we came up with our laws? hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm?