Religion (Christ)

Thank you for that response pro, I will now give my response. Rebuttal: I will start with about what you said about Atheism- “These are not stereotypes at all. Rather, they are beliefs that must be held if atheism is affirmed. To give one example, you cannot affirm both atheism and the existence of objective moral values (right and wrong). You can't have your cake and eat it too. If you want to call yourself an atheist, then you must hold to atheistic beliefs.” First off, this is wrong, incorrect and invalid information, for the literal definition of atheism is: “disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods” I do not believe in any Gods, therefore I am atheist, not “anti-Old Testament theist/deist.” I do not understand how this confuses you. I do hold “atheistic beliefs” therefore I am atheist, it is extremely simple. This therefore defeats 2 of your rebuttals. “If morality is a mere by product of human nature, then you have no ground to tell anyone that their morality is right or wrong. The man who rapes and tortures children is just as "good" as the man who is kind and generous under that view. This is the issue with atheistic morality- it leads directly to nihilism.” In this response you say that I can’t tell anyone what’s right from wrong because I’m atheist. Then you relate to something along the lines of “atheist morality” is thinking that it is alright to torture children or rape people. This makes no sense whatsoever. You misunderstand again; morality coming from human nature is a fact, proven by scientific evidence. If you believe that only a God can give us morality then you are proven wrong with evidence and facts. You can look up the evidence yourself for I do not want to waste space with this; I know you will understand that. I would try visiting this website: christian-pastor-offers-atheists-100000-to-prove-god-doesnt-exist-atheist-proves-pastor-is-dumb and watching the second video for he mentions a study that proves my point. The only reason I am not saying my self is to save space. I hope you understand. “First of all, there is nothing contradictory about the existence of God and the existence of diseases. Second, I don't believe God "created" diseases.” But God even says, in the bible that he created everything, so if he created everything then he has to have created diseases. You contradict yourself again. I assume you will respond to this by saying that you’re not really supposed to follow the Bible, which gets annoying since you have an excuse to get around every fact and you keep on evading truth by mentioning “fundamentalists” and not actually taking the Bible seriously. “This is critical- each of the things you listed (war, greed, etc.) are a result of human nature. It is irresponsible to blame all of these human errors on God. Do you really think that God wants war, greed, death, lack of education, hunger, etc.? Really? Are these not each examples of human selfishness and evil?” To answer this is relatively easy to understand. If God is a perfect, supreme, supernatural, omnipotent being, as it says so in the Bible, then God cannot exist. It is impossible for a ‘perfect’ being to create imperfect things such as humans. Also God created humans out of his own likeness, therefore God is proven to be impossible again, since if God is perfect he cannot create imperfect things. “My opponent has failed in his attempt to show that the existence of God is impossible. He has also failed to knock down the arguments I gave in the opening round.” So then you end your response by saying that I have not proven the existence of God impossible and I have not knocked down your arguments. These are both untrue, and therefore lies since, I have just defeated, including this one, 5 arguments so far, and given significant proof that God can’t exist in this response and previous responses. “Who's to say that a physical body is required for thought?” Um… let’s start with everything we have observed in the universe. “Thus, God's immaterial nature presents no issue.” Ok admitting that God is not made of matter, and therefore can’t exist in any form (besides light and sound” is an issue for you, since matter, by definition is: “what all things are made of; in modern physics, matter and energy are regarded as equivalent, mutually convertible using Einstein’s formula, E=mc2.” Webster’s New World Dictionary. So if God is not made of matter, he is not a thing, therefore not existent. “Atheism blatantly contradicts both modern science and elementary logic. It is a prime example of a view that must drastically alter reality in order to remain relevant.” Sorry, but the “reality” is, that God, and the Bible, contradict almost everything we have observed in the universe. As I explained earlier, you escaped me stating that almost everything in the Bible doesn’t align with reality. By saying only “fundamentalists” believe that, and that you shouldn’t actually follow the Bible. But almost 54-57% of Americans are “fundamentalist” (found on surveys http://www.washingtonpost.com... and http://godisimaginary.com... ) Saying that people don’t actually follow the Bible, is in my opinion, an obvious excuse for my response. I actually laughed a bit when you said that atheists change their views to remain relevant when you blatantly did the same thing by mentioning fundamentalists and a bible that isn’t literal. Therefore you contradict yourself yet again. Really the only other thing you said in this debate was that I was extremely radical, by saying that “God is impossible.” To retort this I will say that someone being radical is an opinion, so this doesn’t prove anything for your debate. “Atheists have been trying to show that God is impossible for thousands of years without the slightest hint of luck.” Well I guess here I will prove God is impossible. To prove something is “to establish as true, demonstrate to be a fact through evidence or proof” So I will prove that God can’t exist through proof and evidence, this I have shown throughout my whole argument, on points: 3, 4, 6, 7 and 9. Therefore, I shall summarize here. To prove he is impossible, I will first use fact. God is magical, and magic has been proven to not exist, by facts. Now to show that God is in fact, magic. It says in the Bible that God is “supernatural” or “above nature.” The definition of magic is: “the power of apparently influencing the course of events by using mysterious or supernatural forces” Therefore I have proven that God is magic, therefore proven not real. Also, as you said God “transcends time” to do that, he cannot obey any physical facts or laws in our universe, therefore if he is not fact, he is lie and therefore untrue. Also, since God is perfect, he cannot make unperfect things, which he does a lot, therefore not possible. My evidence is the physical law of gravity, the law of matter, science, and fact. I wish I can elaborate more, but I am out of room. I have defeated almost all your arguments while you have defeated almost none of mine. I have proven God is impossible, like I would in a court case, through facts and reality, please respond through facts and reality. Thank you. The sources I used: http://godisimaginary.com... Webster’s New World Dictionary http://deadstate.org...