LM CLassic Semi-finals: Puck vs Logical-Master

"yet merely offers non cosmic level telepaths as examples." The best the X-men can muster on the field since cosmic level is banned here and Apoc is no where near cosmic level without his alien tech, unavailable to him here. "I'd like for him to better explain him short nudging Apocolypse out of city limits" Nope. A TP directional move. http://img199.imageshack.us... "what kind of ability it is granted that he claims that it works regardless of one's psionic level of power." Simply because resisting gives Sinister fuel to add to the power as he is able to redirect an opponents usage against him. The more you resist the more feedback Sinister can apply to the ability. "Sinister had been working under Apocolypse for centuries, resenting nearly every moment of it." Working together? No. They part company soon after the origins of Sinister. "Even with all the preparation time he could ask for (the creation of a highly potent virus meant to remove all of a mutant's abilities and eventually kill them), the best Sinister could do was weaken Apocolypse, only to survive because Apocolypse ALLOWED it" Sinister at that stage was unmodified. After he parts with Apoc he spends the better part of 200 years *adding* to his abilities. Sinister is able to absorb the abilities of another's genetic material whether by touch or self experimentation, giving him his large breadth of abilities. The Sinister of when you mention is not the Sinister here by any stretch. http://img301.imageshack.us... "Sinister could have easily attempted to do battle with a WEAKENED Apcolopyse [...] flee in TERROR, hoping they'd never cross paths again." See above. "Apocolyse establishes Xavier as being NOTHING to him even in regards to telepathy" And Sinister taught The Professor at university, besting even those Xavier is wary of. "We should keep in mind that Xavier has shown himself telepathically able enter the mind of and even to resist even the powers of Galactus" See above and resistance argument. Sinister's abilities are not Apocolypse's nor Xavier's but the culmination of 200 years of genetic self enhancement. "Apocolypse wouldn't be trying to search the deepest regions of Sinister's mind ... He's only attempting to learn of his location." Irrelevant since *contact* allows Sinister the opportunity to move Apoc. If he doesn't resist he is removed, if he does, feedback. Not a one off specific ability, nor of the depth required as you argue. http://img301.imageshack.us... http://img121.imageshack.us... "His psionic abilities are great enough for him to CASUALLY detect even the Watcher's presence" Your pic shows nothing of psychic knowledge. "Batman uses his mother box power of detection or life sense (whichever can be used more efficiently to complete this phase of the battle)to do the job Apocalypse was supposed to do" Is this standard Batman equipment? It certainly doesn't appear in issues of Batman. http://dc.wikia.com... http://www.comicvine.com... If you can show that it is, then please do, otherwise it is a DC artifact not congruent with Batman. Secondly the motherbox is an artifact of The Source, a banned level entity giving such powers to those holders of: Omniscience, Omniprescence, and the skill "Regenerate Others" grants apparent invulnerability "Manipulate the life-force of a host to sustain it past fatal injuries" Such an artifact, if a character would be grounds for banning and the same goes for the artifact here, which grants such abilities. http://dc.wikia.com... I will argue 'even so' however to be complete. "he then proceeds to telepathically tell Doomsday to clean Mr Sinister's clock via speed blitz." As soon as Doomsday approaches the team he is enveloped by Spiral's bubble, putting him in stasis. Spiral can paralyse him there. http://img41.imageshack.us... http://img532.imageshack.us... http://img532.imageshack.us... "This also can be applied to Sage being successfully in boosting Sinister's abilities to a level which will enable him to fight on par with Apocalypse" You make no real argument against Sage's boost, merely reciting the same argument underpowered Sinister defence. Sage's boost will allow Sinister's ability to magnify, making underpowered arguments moot. "CON's team begins to attack after Amazo has already been powered up by Spider-Man and Doomsday. Given that Apocalypse has the powers teleportation, there's no reason as to why he couldn't simply teleport to Amazo's location." Spiral can portal the nanites anywhere, Amazo's location is irrelevant. "Since Amazo now has Apocalypse powers as well, he proceeds to create either a telekinetic field or uses his energy manipulation to create an energy field around both Batman and Spider-Man." It's as good as saying: "hey let's go back in time and replay my strategy." Your R1 Amazo *did* have Apoc's powers to use and applying them post argument is a sneak tactic as you had sentry specifically *not* do the aforementioned things. The nanite attack occurred without any TK shielding and applying the shield in an attempt to subvert that argument is moot, since you specifically did not in R1. The same goes for Batman and Spiderman, whom you had traipse around the city unshielded. It's only after my argument that you post apply the defence again, however again moot by your own arguments of their use. " Spider-Man's super human reflexes and his spider sense would easily be allow him the speed and clairvoyance needed to avoid being tagged by these machines." The nanites are atom sized however, meaning there is nothing there to "evade" in the sense of a blast or attack (surviving atomic strength blasts). Indeed Spidey's senses are not infallible; "can confuse it by making it seem the danger is all around Spider-Man rather than a specific threat" - and the nanites are exactly that, a swarm of atom sized machines. http://img21.imageshack.us... http://en.wikipedia.org...'s_powers_and_equipment#Enemies_immune_to_the_spider-sense "Amazo uses his powers of bio molecular manipulation to manipulate his body into a more organic state, incidentally no longer making him susceptible to electronic disruption..." Again applied post argument. Disruption of Sentry occurred prior to your mounting the defence to it (it's not reactionary either so you can't argue that - it's a ploy to apply arguments before your prior arguments). "meaning even Deadpool can be located" See above for Mother Box issues. "absorbs the energy out of the bubble field which Spiral had created as Apocolypse has shown himself capable of against Cyclopse" Optic blast =/= dimensional magic - not being energy, nor directed *at* Sentry or Doomsday, but around them (see relevant pic). "Sage is taken down just as easily and then Mr Sinister, presuming Apocalypse could not deal with him." See above. "Finally, if they do fight, Spider-Man tells Batman to grab some popcorn as he proceeds to single handedly beat the stuffing out of him. The webhead would be able to anticipate all of his moves." Deadpool has been preparing since he teleported in (see R1) as the duo appear, he detonates set explosives as he teleports to the next locale, preparing there. In a small sealed room in a city where rooms can not be damaged. The full force of the concussive blast is self contained, taking out the duo. -- Engineer's clone is portaled to Deadpool's new location and the next clone is made.