Ben Roethlisberger is the best QB out of the 2004 NFL draft

Thank you, I would first like to state at no point did I say you cant be a good, or even great quarterback without a Superbowl(in fact i specifically said "how harshly great quarterbacks can be judged from not getting a ring) only that it is in fact a major scrutiny on there careers. Comparing Lebron James to Robert Horry is ridiculous and in no was a similar situation, Lebron's stats trump Horry without question regular season and playoffs, im not going to get into how retarded that comparison is because if the voters cant acknowledge the fallacy of that im not going to convince them anyways. The point is Con wants to take away the importance of playoff success and SB victories in the position that is most closely associated with winning, no one is saying it is the only part of consideration, only that it is clearly a substantial one for the quarterback position. Now here is where I get a little nervous as to how much Con actually knows about football(besides earlier calling Hines Ward, Charlie Ward) Con puts Limas Sweed our waste of a first round pick in the category of household names and uses him to point out the steelers superiority. lets just take a look at Sweed really briefly. In 3 years Limas has garnered a grand total of 7 receptions for 69 yards, with 1 fumble, not exactly looking like a HOF or even probowl is in this guys immediate future. As I said most of the common belief that the steelers are a superior team is based off of them winning in the playoffs and SB, which leads to circular reasoning as they win because there great and there great because they win. As I stated before LT arguably the greatest RB of all time was an excellent pass catcher out of the backfield and def opened up options for Rivers downfield by bringing in the defense, not to mention him having one of the most gifted receiving TE ever to play the game. As to the Superbowl years of the steelers, I did not claim the wrong years of them winning the superbowl(as it was in 2006 and 2009) but the information was misleading as it did come in the 2005 season and 2008 season, but regardless it was con who attested to the Chargers winning more during the regular seasons during Rivers years in the league, if they were able to win so much during he regular season and be so dominate why is it unfair to say they should have been capable of winning the playoffs? Con can not have it both ways, if they are an elite team because they were so great during the regular season(which is what I believe) then they clearly underachieved in the playoffs by not being able to even make it to a superbowl, also I contend the statement "The Steelers won the Superbowl after the 2005 regular season, meaning one of the stats he's talking about isn't even applicable considering I only gave stats for 06 - 07 and not 05 - 06" is preposterous, we cant consider the superbowl as part of his legacy and achievements because..... Rivers was still sitting on the bench? maybe he should have been good enough to win the starting job then. The fact still remains the same, Chargers have been a great team in the regular season and choke in the playoffs, that is the only basis there is for the steelers being a better team. I believe I was taken grossly out of context in con's next statement although maybe I did not clarify correctly what I was trying to say. Basically It is impossible to determine how River's would have performed as a rookie because he didnt really play his first 2 seasons, but I believe it is more then reasonable to assume that he would have not done as good as he did after his 2 years on the bench as he had time to learn the system and get a feel for NFL speed, clearly it is possible he would have done as well, but that is highly unlikely an overly presumptuous, it is far more likely he would have done worse because that is how history shows a typical QB progresses. As i've shown already Rivers even if you decide to give him the averages Con proclaims has a marginal gap of better statistics per game during the regular season with a larger gap during the Postseason and better overall statistics over Ben's career. Cons distorts my context yet again when showing Ben had a worse 07 season then 08, buy claiming I assume NFL QBs get better every single year they play, as opposed to the more reasonable assumption that QB's typically get better with experience and usually that show's in there statistics, clearly I was in no way claiming QB's stats MUST get better every single year there in the NFL. Cons "dismantling" of my suggestion was hardly solid, the reason for Ben not playing this year is irrelevant. Also Con is completely mistaken about Ben being allowed to practice with team as he was not even allowed on the steelers facility while under suspension( see http://www.thepittsburghchannel.com...) saying Ben should have in the groove this season because he got to play in the 04 and 05 season is laughable not only are many of the players different then now therefore changing timing plays, it was 5 years ago lol. Finally putting a large amount of emphasis on the beginning of one season when talking about the careers of two players seems irresponsible. Im not really sure what to say about Cons next statement, it seems pretty clear by the link she provided that Rivers did not have 11 fourth quarter comebacks in one season lol, while that would be absolutely AMAZING its completely inaccurate, so i hold still to my claims of the 4th quarter comebacks. Also I dont have to dispute he scores a few more TDs per game or yards per game, as i said it is a marginal difference, and Ben more then makes up for that with career totals in TDs yards, and even more so with his by far superior playoff stats that you refuse to even want to talk about or consider. Next I would like to say you cannot compare the rookie season of a QB to the 3rd NFL season of a QB even if it was his first year starting, the information he learned about the system and NFL the two years he sat behind the great Drew Brees is immeasurable, not to mention Ben had arguably one of the best rookie campaigns ever(http://bleacherreport.com...) Peyton Manning was just an example of the tough times rookie QB's tend have there first season, Manning even had a productive rookie season and it did not show in wins, as is the case with most QB's this was simply to show it is more likely Rivers would not have played as well his first two seasons. Once again con says Ben got to practice with team and this is inaccurate therefore no lack of consistency. like I said I do not have to prove Ben is better in every statistical measure of the game, just that he is overall a better QB with a better career. In conclusion I would like to briefly restate all of the reasons Ben Roethlisberger is a better QB at this point in his career then Philip Rivers. 1. regular season cumulative stats are better 2. regular season per game stats are comparable 3. Playoff stats are more important and better by a large margin 4. More regular season wins 5. more playoff wins 6. better playoff win percentage 7. 2 Superbowls No matter how you look at it these are the facts, Con will attempt to get you to vote for her by claiming 1. per game stats during the regular season are the most important 2. playoff stats are unimportant 3. Its not fair to count all of Ben's achievements because he has been a starter longer 4. winning in the playoffs are unimportant 5. superbowls are unimportant 6. the Chargers are not good enough to win in the playoffs, but are great in the regular season. I feel like all of these contentions should leave you to believe Ben is a better QB when looking at all of the stats and facts and take out all of the presumptions that cannot be proven. Thank you con for the debate, and everyone for reading and voting. http://sports.espn.go.co...