Communism is an ineffective system.

You only brought up altruism and I refuted your claims...You're only bringing yourself lower. It is not a no true Scotsman fallacy, as I never stated they were not 'true' socialists, whatever that means. In response to this allegation, let me give an example. A no true Scotsman fallacy would be conducted in a manner accordingly: Person A: "No Scotsman puts sugar on his porridge." Person B: "I am Scottish and I like sugar with my porridge." Person A: "Ah yes, but no true Scotsman puts sugar on his porridge."[1] Let us take aforementioned example to the level of Socialism. The requirement for a Scotsman is to be born in Scotland and to have Scottish citizenship, the requirement for a Socialist society is: Nationalization, regulation, collectivization and equality.[2] Stalin did not follow the principles of Socialism, therefore he is not a Socialist, just like someone who isn't Scottish isn't a Scotsman. You seem desperate to accuse me of a logical fallacy, but you fail in the most miserable way, I'm afraid. I never avoided your case, I clearly provided examples of countries where Socialism HAS succeeded: North Korea, Cuba and Vietnam. All three countries have: a. A high level of social equality b. A high level of employment c. A completely nationalized industry d. A system of collectivization I have therefore provided an irrefutable case of a socialist society with truly socialist policies that succeeded. I provided this example in my previous argument, which you might have missed. It is irrelevant if you use an argument like:'But those are all totalitarian'. This is irrelevant to the debate. I wish to hear an argument apropos to the aforementioned argument. Why socialism didn't succeed in the USSR? Because the USSR was only socialist until 1924.[3] Stalin completely pushed aside Lenin's NEP, implementing his own system of urbanized collectivism and 'foreign subsidy'.[3] Why socialism didn't succeed in China? Possibly because chairman Mao died and China fell into the hands of revisionists who executed the gang of four, Mao's successors.[4] Socialism succeeded in Vietnam, Cuba and North Korea and is still succeeding. Are you really that daft? I just provided an example wherein altruism is possible, the Asch experiment... To quote my argument:'The Asch experiments, in which there was one real participant who didn't know the intentions of the experiment, and all the others were aware of the intention of the experiment. A small society, which can be as small as two individuals in this scenario, had a slight influence on the "real" participants behavior. The more confederates (the people aware of the intentions of the experiment) their influence over the participant grew. The consensus here is that there is empirical proof that society, even in small amounts, influences and/or effects the decisions and therefore the actions of the individual. This proves my position, that a society, even a very small one, influences a person's behavior and actions. In psychology, it has been concluded with various studies that people have two psychological needs that makes people conform to the expectations of others. We are even if we don't think so influenced by society to a degree, since we have a psychological need to conform to others.. The reasons we conform to the expectations of others is for our need to be liked or to be right. So, even unconsciously, society is influencing us to conform to others, which influences our actions. We need to conform to others, and with this need, our actions passively are trying to achieve this need. Thus, we are influenced by society in our actions to meet these psychological needs to be liked or to be right. We can therefore logically deduce that a society that promotes altruism and an altruistic worldview is likely to produce an altruistic population. With that in mind, we can logically conclude that altruism IS achievable.[5]' Russia could never achieve altruism simply because there was not enough time. Altruism was only endorsed for the extremely short period of Lenin's reign and completely abandoned when Stalin took over.[7] Altruism WAS achieved for a period in China. Ever heard of the great cultural revolution, in which Chinese citizens helped each other through barefoot doctors, collective farming etc. [8] The process of Socialism and altruistic indoctrination was stopped by Deng Xiaoping and his revisionism and return to capitalism.[8] In essence, you ignored some of my arguments, you completely changed what I was saying. I request that you actually put some time and effort into this debate. This is not an ad hominem, as I'm not attacking you for your intelligence, I'm simply saying that your format and argumentation in this debate is rather weak. I'm not attacking you on a personal level or even implying you cannot debate properly, merely that I find your argumentation feeble. References: [1]http://en.wikipedia.org... [2]http://en.wikipedia.org... [3]http://en.wikipedia.org... [4]http://en.wikipedia.org... [5]Deutsch, M. & Gerard, H. B. (1955). A study of normative and informational social influences upon individual judgment.Journal of Abnormal and Social Psychology,51, 629-636. [6]http://en.wikipedia.org... [7]http://en.wikipedia.org... [8]http://en.wikipedia.org...