Kylo Ren is the weakest Sith of the 5 main (listed) Sith Lords

R1 Rebuttals"Kylo Ren is still literally an amateur who hasn't completed his training yet" This is clearly an assumption. Most evidence actually suggests that Kylo Ren was trained by Luke Skywalker prior to betraying him. "Han Solo also explains to Kylo that Snoke is manipulating him, which if correct (as is probably the case) indicates that Kylo can easily be tricked by others" And yet Kylo Ren was able to resist the most charming, cleverest, and most manipulative scoundrel and smooth talker in the entire galaxy, Indiana Jones. "Vader is also the person that Kylo literally worships, meaning that it would be especially hard for him to kill Vader" A moot point. Kylo Ren would never have to face Vader. This debate anyways is more about who is the most powerful sith lord, not the best fighter. "Kylo also shows difficulty fighting people completely new to wielding lightsabers in battle as well, where in Ep 7 Kylo struggles in fighting Finn and Ren, when both have minimal experience with lightsaber fights in the first place." These fights came after Kylo Ren tanked a bowcaster shot from Chewbacca. According to the films, the bowcaster is arguably the most powerful hand-held blaster weapon in the galaxy. Furthermore, Ren appears to be a natural Force prodigy and possibly another Skywalker. "little chance against someone with extensive fighting experience, such as Vader, Sidious, Maul, or Dooku" Against Vader, Kylo would win. Kylo is in far better physical shape and has a crossguard lightsaber. Vader was defeated twice (once as Anakin) by having his saber hand cut off. Vader is also incredibly slow for a fighter and has difficulty breathing. Any damage to his suit could be catastrophic. And to close, Vader would have trouble finding the willpower to kill a family member and resisting his lightside, Kylo Ren on the other hand, would have no such problem. Against Sidious, Kylo Ren would win. In the opening scene to ep VII, Ren used the force to hold still plasma energy fired from a blaster rifle in flight. He could use a similar force move to block force-lightning. Against Dooku, Ren again would just cut off his hands like Anakin did. Ren has the advantage of a crossguard lightsaber. Finally, against Maul, Kylo Ren would win as he has demonstrated in ep VII to a much more adept Force user than Maul. Darth Maul's force abilities appear to be limited only to force jump and basic forms of telekinesis. Ren can do all that as well as mind-read, force sense, and telepathically torture people. Maul also has the disadvantage of wielding a two-handed lightsaber, making force powers with the off-hand difficult, and is the weakest Sith lord in terms of rank and political power. Maul (unlike Dooku, Vader, and Sidious) has never demonstrated to be a leader of a galactic crime syndicate or anything more than a covert force operative working for Sidious. Therefore, unless Pro can demonstrate that Maul can influence galactic events in the same ways Dooku, Sidious, Vader, and Kylo Ren can, Kylo cannot be considered the weakest Sith lord. 1) Skywalker Ancestry "Kylo Ren actually has a WATERED DOWN bloodline in terms of the force," Watered down means nothing. Kathleen Kennedy has confirmed that new trilogy continues the creative legacy of George Lucas by making the Skywalker family the focus of the new star wars films. By virtue of being a main character, and a Skywalker as well, Kylo Ren is by default one of the most important force characters in the star wars universe. "Kylo admits that he still feels the 'Light' in him" And yet he obsesses about Vader and has promised to finish what Vader started. Proving that Kylo Ren is a highly motivated Sith Lord who doesn't back away from filling some pretty big shoes. Ren has the mental perseverance and obsessions of an Olympic Athlete still in training and will stop at perfecting the dark side within him. "That is an argument AGAINST him not an argument FOR him." No. Darkside power is gained by giving into your fear, hatred, and emotions. Vader mentions to Luke many times in the Empire Strikes Back that "only your hatred can destroy me." Kylo Ren has much more hatred than the other Sith Lords.2) Political Power "Sidious was an EMPEROR who had EVERYTHING under his command" This is possibly true. However, unless it can be proved that the other Sith Lords are more influential to the fate of the galaxy than Kylo Ren, Ren cannot be considered the weakest Sith Lord in terms of power. "Kylo isn't a leader at all." Kylo Ren is the Leader of the "Knights of Ren" where he succesfully led a rebellion against Skywalker. Kylo also leads several storm trooper raids in episode VII. Darth Maul, in comparison, has never led an army and commands no one. 3) Willpower "Kylo Ren is anything but stable... He therefore IS very likely to cave to mental pressures" It is a well known fact that people who are not stable cannot be controlled. This is why we have mental hospitals and court orders to detain people who are not stable. Rather than a combat weakness, Kylo Ren's emotional instability is a strength. He becomes unpredictable in nature and has a much larger and thicker sea of emotions to call on for dark side power. 4) Conditioning "Dooku and Sidious are old, they are still certainly capable of taking on Kylo in a fight." Kylo Ren tanked a bowcaster and still managed to fight in back to back fights. Han Solo has remarked that the bowcaster is the most powerful blaster rifle he has ever seen. 5)Crossguard Lightsaber "Having a Crossguard on a lightsaber is a defensive measure at best" Wrong. Severed hands is what directly led to the fall of Anakin, Luke, Dooku, Vader, and Mace Windu. 6) Most Successful "Kylo though has no victory of similar significance to his name." Kylo has no clear losses to his name. Vader, Sidious, Dooku, and Maul are all losers. "the First Order materialized on its own and that Kylo was simply indoctrinated into it" Ren deserves credit for leading the organization as its vader like enforcer.