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"The Golden Compass" trilogy does not support atheism.

[First, please refer to all my analysis at the beginning of my part of Round 1 - my opponent seems to ignore all of these points and just skips to his numbered list. I did more than just answer these 5 points.] With that aside, your list... 1. You are still conceeding that Pullman sees no religion as best - that IS atheism - and he conceedes that this idea is prevalent in the book, he conceedes the book has an agenda supporting break from religion. And you are wrong about the 'god' aspect. The books discuss the overthrow of the church and the children look to 'kill god' at the end. Furthermore, Pullman has conceeded that he is an atheist and through his books he is attempting to convey the message that religion is wrong. I know a person can 'not belong to a religion' or whatever - but Pullman still thinks, and his message in his books is consistent, that NO RELIGION (atheism) is best. 2. Ok, so you conceede that materialism is irrelevant. But, the break from religion is NOT irrelevant. Look, my point is that you see the books as only promoting that religion can be bad, but the message and Pullman's beliefs are more than that - you are ignoring that Pullman conceedes his own atheism and that he wants his messsage to be that NO religion is the best. This is the crux of the debate - how can it be irrelevant? 3. We are not talking about the point that comes across in the book. You said, "One gets the sense that while the author dislikes the idea of destiny," and I am saying that yes, that is true - this is because the author believes the concept of destiny is for story making, as went along with your analysis. This is another reason the author's views come through in the story - the concept of religion has a basis in destiny, that there is life after death - the reader gets the idea that the author dislikes this because he does - he sees religion similar to "a better story," and thinks this is the reason that people accept religion. The author would advocate that telling (what he sees as) the truth, rather than telling the "better story." 4. Ok, so there is no point to the evolution thing then - fine, you think it's a good argument against atheism. This doesn't mean that just because Pullman takes his own interpretation of evolution different from other atheists, he is some sort of "weak athiest" or something. You didn't answer this. Again, it's kind of irrelevant. 5. Ok, conceeded. I'll take it. :-) The book does not support the idea of hell, just evil. Thanks, hope to see your response soon.
"The Golden Compass" trilogy does not support atheism.

Right, real quick before I go to bed. 1. The "god" in the book is inconsistent with most theists conception of God, a god, or the gods. The idea and concept of having a god in general is not touched. You also need to make the distinction between being anti-religion, which the books clearly are, and atheistic. A person can be a theist without belonging to a religion. I don't think there is anything that a (very) liberal Christian would argue with in the trilogy. 2. The break from religion aspect is also irrelevant. 3. That point doesn't come across in the book, and I'm going to have to insist on the topic at hand, which is the book. Maybe Pullman was just saying destiny makes a better story which is why we buy it, but the reader only comes away with the fact that the story was good and it had destiny. 4. The evolution wasn't really the important part here. The important part was that there is a big difference between humans and animals, which (in my humble opinion) is a better arguement against atheism (in general, though not always, depending on the atheist) than all of his arguements against religion. Regardless of its worth either way, though, its an arguement used by theists. 5. This arguement was more about fun than anything. I'll just give it to you. Hmmm... Maybe I should finnish the last 100 pages before I go much further.
"The Golden Compass" trilogy does not support atheism.

1. While the books attack established religion, they do not attack the concept of God or many gods. 2. Materialism is not promoted in any sense. 3. While the stated goal is to end destiny, the book itself relies upon the concept of destiny. One gets the sense that while the author dislikes the idea of destiny, he (at least subconciously) accepts that it makes for a better story. 4. The author does not really support evolution in its purest atheistic form. He recognizes that their is a distinction between people and animals, and states in the book that at a single point in history animals went through an ontological change and became people. 5. Even if the author does not believe that the Church came from heaven, one gets the feeling that he thinks it came from hell.
Facebook is a good way to socialize

I will start off by defining some words for this debate. Facebook:http://dictionary.reference.com... Socialize:http://dictionary.reference.com... Good:http://www.hyperdictionary.com... I would say myself that Facebook is an acceptaple source for being social. I am very social while I use Facebook. I also know a lot of other people that say it's great for being social. That ends my first writing.
It's time to privatize the British Monarchy

With thanks to YYW for accepting this debate, I should like to take the opportunity to comment on the news that Prince William has put Kate up the duff by saying "Congratulations, on your joyous news Your Royal Hignesses, but don't expect me and my fellow taxpayers to feed and clothe your over-privileged offspring when its born, no way, you are all going to have to fend for yourselves if the Government takes my advice, yes, that's right - you and your blue-blooded brethren may soon be privatized." Not that the ennobled embryo will have to worry about money when it's born, even the Royals are privatized; his parents have got loads of family money, certainly they'd never have to worry about the cost of vaccinating their baby against measles which, according to Unicef estimates kills 164,000 people a year " that's 450 a day - with 95% of measles deaths occuring in countries with low per capita incomes and weak health infrastructures, because the cost of measles jabs is just $1.00 / 69 pence each. "69 pence?" I hear you remark, "That amount sounds familiar." So it should, that's the amount my opponent cited as the annual cost to each of Britain's 66 million citizens of the Royal Family. It may not sound much but the choice is a stark one, do we spend this money saving 164,000 lives every year by providing measles vaccinations the world's poorest 66 milion people, or do we instead lavish it on one of the world's richest familues in order that they may enjoy outrageously extravagent and obcenely oppulent lifestyles? Personally, I don't think 164,000 people, 75% of which are children, should have to die every year just so one extremely posh family in England can enjoy the ultimate in decadence and splendour. And privatizing the Monarchy should not be seen, as my opponent suggests, as a punishment for wrecking the economy - that was down to the greed and incompetence of investment bankers and the laissez-faire economic policies of their friends in the Conservative Party. However, when times are tough it is only right that those with broadest shoulders, that's the Royal Family, should bear the greatest load: it's manifestly unfair that the working and middle classes should suffer all the economic hardships while the upper class live in ever-increasing luxury. Furthermore, the privatization of the Monarchy would raise a fortune - the esitimate is 44 billion pounds, that's equivilent to a cash rebate of 1,692 pounds for every one of the UK's 26 million income tax payers. So, while the polls my opponent cited concluded that the majority of British people were not in favour of abolishing the Monarchy, I suspect that if they were asked if they would rather have: (a) the Monarchy privatized and the Royal Family rely on its own private income, thus enabling the Government to give every income tax payer a cash rebate that would pay for a family vacation somewhere nice and sunny or (b) just leave things as they are; the results would be quite different. Thank you. Sources ---------- Impact and Cost of Measles: http://www.unicef.org... Asset Value of the Monarchy: http://www.telegraph.co.uk...
Abortion is a Form of Euthanasia, and Should Be Treated as Such

You stated: "The mercy killing hinges on the ending of one's suffering, what qualifies a suffering hear being allowed to be a loose term; ranging from constant physical pain to simply a very useless existence." From this, I can infer that you are positing the argument that euthanasia is reserved for situations during which a sufferer must either endure incessant pain or a "useless existence." You are thus implying that abortion is not applied for the sake of relieving a child of incessant pain or a "useless existence." My reply to this is that those very reasons are some of the most-cited rationalizations for the legalization of abortion. For example, the "practical" initiation of an abortion resulting from the knowledge that a child would be born disabled. As far as a "useless existence" is concerned, I'm pretty sure you're referring to a comatose individual, which I suppose would not be analogous to an unwanted child. But, I assure you that an unwanted child suffers a great deal more than a comatose individual does. In fact, one of the major rationales cited for euthanasia of a comatose individual on life support is the immense expense. Children are highly expensive -- and finances are probably one of the primary reasons behind abortion. You also stated that if one were to accept abortion as euthanasia, then one must accept a myriad of other types of murder to be euthanasia as well. Unfortunately, all that you listed does not seem conceivably painless, violating the definition.
Abortion is a Form of Euthanasia, and Should Be Treated as Such

I am sorry if my opponent thought I implied he gave a stance on the morality of abortion or euthanasia. I understand fully he has not claimed anything explicit about the morality of abortion or euthanasia yet in this debate. One would have to look at his profile to get any preconception of that. The only thing relevant in this debate is are the two similar enough to morally equate, not just morally approximate. My opponent brings up there are extreme cases of Euthanasia that involve death without consent. I wonder if he would be prepared to defend that that form of Euthanasia is equally moral as Euthanasia with consent? But in any case he's resolution does say that 'abortion is a form...' so he has the freedom to argue for abortion only equating to this one kind of Euthanasia. Even so that factors do not line up still. the Mercy killing hinges on the ending of ones suffering, what qualifies as suffering hear being allowed to be a loose term; ranging from constant physical pain to simply a very useless existence. For those that are comatose have no hope of ever being useful again, no potential. Unborn babies are not so hopeless though, and they certainly are not suffering. Now maybe my opponent would like to argue that they will suffer if allowed to live because its a cruel world, in which case I encourage my opponent to end his own misery first if that has any potential to justify 'mercy killing' of an unborn child. If we are to listen to my opponent and equate all assisted non consented deaths in moral terms then we must be prepared to add executions by electric chair, hangings, KKK lynching, and the traditional illegal homicides, as many of these do not involve the consent of the individuals killed in these either. But I for one am not prepared to because I understand those are different situations despite the same circumstances involving consent and the initiation of death by a third parties hands. On could argue its immoral to cause the instantaneous death of a black person by lynching just because you raciest, while it might be moral to cause death of raciest cereal killer so that he can no longer kill African Americans, even if we proved his methods of murder were painless.
Abortion is a Form of Euthanasia, and Should Be Treated as Such

Thank you for joining my argument and posting your rebuttal. I made no implication that I find euthanasia or abortion immoral on the basis that they both involve death. Death is an objective circumstance. Euthanasia does indeed include assisted killings as a result of a request or consent by the patient. Nonetheless, your argument is more what one would call a "straw man argument." This is due to the fact that euthanasia also includes "mercy killings" that do not require the consent of the patient. An example of this is a comatose patient removed from life support. Of course, this decision is made by the person's closest kin, but so are abortions. Yes, they hold many aspects in common. Enough that I feel they aught to be considered synonymous, both morally and legally. :)
Abortion is a Form of Euthanasia, and Should Be Treated as Such

My opponent is making a straw man argument with how both concepts involve death http://en.wikipedia.org... True as that factor is death itself is not related to the morality of the situation. Natural death that is not assisted when people simply die of old age is not considered immoral either. Death is a natural part of life. the factors involved that determine morality is consent. with abortion they have yet to figure out how to attain that, and will not be available until technology can communicate to embryo's, and people figure out how to explain the concept to such beings. Euthanasia is not impeded by this consent factor at all. A patient can ask for euthanasia fulfilling consent. Morally they don't necessarily equate, regardless of your position on either as consent for invocation of death is not present in both.
religious rap battle

Pro is basically saying, rejoice in the joy of the Lord But i am here to tell you what happens after the sword Chaos must transform to order by God's own divine word Dwelling within the gardens of Adonai as the streaming rivers flow by Not worried about a drive-by or if the earth drowns in an abyss so dry Though the enemies pursue me, i cannot die even if i get hit by a nuke Death has it's army marching behind Satan but it's them who i rebuke Just as God raised the army of dead bones back to fleshly life in front of prophet Ezekiel It's before the living God manifested in flesh, Jesus Christ whom i have a spiritual meal Time is constant, everything must be fulfilled by the will of the one who'll break the seal All shall bow before the almighty at the end of time, kings, princes, peasants'll kneel Don't try to live too right, but stay away from excessive wickedness Live in harmony with the one who dwells in eternal benevolence May his name be robed in all of the infinite beautiful blessedness In the end of time, Messiah shall establish his kingdom upon Jerusalem God's name shall be revealed to all, no longer be concealed as Ha'shem Forever shall God's promises remain pure, blessed, and he keeps it solemn Jesus shall bring back the joy to the land of Israel and the light of the gentiles The prince of peace shall bring harmony between man, beast, and all reptiles Before all this, i was a newly convert soul searchin' as i thirst of divine love Absolute truth of God's reality came from the heavenlies, he came from above Find meaning in the flood of Noah, a judgement fades as the Holy Spirit is as a dove The lamb and lion, conqueror and sacrifice shall be engraved in the mind of the world to come No longer shall the world be given light by the sun, but will be illuminated by the light of the son The crown of evil laid to waste, God's face shall be mine embrace by the power of the holy one From this world of pagans, we as a spiritual Israel, a holy people walk back to the land of Zion Where flowers and rose petals shall fall upon the city of the New Jerusalem, all shall feast A newly changed ecosystem, where there is no narcissism or idealism, but a new beast Although all things shall come to an end, this is Eden's paradise which will never cease Eventually, Jesus shall return to his homeland and all shall hail him the king of Israel Do not change what has been written for generations, he is heir in contrary to Ishmael I await the final day like King David in which God will raise me up to see the face of Jesus Christ Even the passing shadows, rules, rituals, regulations, manifestations reveal the perfect sacrifice
religious rap battle

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religious rap battle

Everyone has to suffer, but God made suffering to link a spiritual connection Herbal remedies won't cure the infection, only the wholeness of Christ's perfection The day that God relieves the world of all the death, pain, situations that creates frustrations Will be the day that all the world shall be renewed to the joy, restored to Israel and the nations Evil was never meant to be reign forever, but it was a problem evidenced by the serpent Constant dual struggles between good and evil, but nevertheless we must find discernment Between God's will and our win in the times that are of the most divergent and become the servant Who will endure to the very end like Moses crossed from Egypt through the desert No water in this dry land until we reach the promised land where we baptize a convert In the unified baptism found in the lamb of God, where fire and water mingle into a single force Grace and judgement are like water and fire in same ways from Noah to Christ in one course Be like water, but spit flames of fire for the burnin' passion of justice to the next generation End the recycling of revenge, stop the pain, forgive and let go of all hurts, destroy hatred I ask myself "Why the wicked prosper? Why do the good suffer? Why are they overthrown?" When evil people bring out and shoot the chopper (1) but one thing is sure: God's on his throne He bestows goodness on his righteous ones and is favorable to those who are evil Because at the end of all things: we are all sinners and in his eyes, we are all equal At the end of time, though we may be divided, we shall all become none but one people Sometimes i focus on my pain, not remembering the pain of others, my own brothers Nevertheless with holy hands, we stand united through the trials, it matters not who suffers He who conceals his sin from the almighty shall continue to become malignantly consumed He continues on a dark path to destruction until he becomes exhumed and laid to be ruined Internalize the intricate and eternal Christ-like beauty, confess your sins n' expose the wound If i blame God for my sufferin', i'm a hypocrite for not actin' n' all blubberin' Cultivate your life within the pastures of Jah himself, begin sculpturin the faithful shall practice his faith in the good times and when there is calamity Love found on Calvary, still manages to retain integrity in the face of brutality Even Lord Yeshua himself was not exempt from sufferin', he dwelled with humanity He felt the sorrows of the world, it's ignorance, arrogance, but gave it another chance Compassion frees us from pain, keeps no records of wrongs, but burst into song and dance God's deepest level and concern for man lies inside the ability to be hit by a roman lance 1. http://www.urbandictionary.com...
religious rap battle

you think that you the only one that got to suffer?? you think that you the only one with pain to suffer?? everybody got a thing they gotta suffer. rich or poor don't matter gotta suffer. rich man goes to the doctor gonna find out all the rich food he ate gonna make him die of gout woman's man is dead and gone - got no mo salary take her honey's van gogh to the art gallery she gotta try to find some other things that she can sell now she knows how it feels livin in single parent hell what about the woman ten kids in the ghetto-hood the rich woman understands her sister did the best she could getting kicked around prostitution smokin crack she had to work the streets makin money lyin on her back the two are now connected with all that they been through they seen the good that come from sufferin, they changed their point of view it's gonna come to me and it's gonna come to you everybody's got some sufferin they gotta go through some brothers think that they was born only to die ready to die willin to kill and crucify with the make believe fantasy violent life of a thug they didn't realize it was their own grave that they dug with vulgar intelligent rhymes they confuse on the same cd they wonder if God will excuse fascination guns clips and chicks i can't explain but I know they all be sufferin can't deal with the pain lookin back one brother wished he was killed as a baby they all trapped in a thug storm, it got em goin crazie some a y'all got gifts I give props for ya skill gotta chill, be still, knock off the thrill to kill too much talent, already been wasted i thank God for y'all, know you're appreciated i don't think the thug thing is cool I think the thug thing is cold check out what happened to the boy in the park he was just eight years old a thug drug dealer chasin down another thug brother ran into the park there was the boy with his mother for the sake of frontin bluntin presidential Benjamin greed the kid caught a stray in the face and started to bleed that saturday a tragic day a boy had to die what do you say to the mother when she come screamin why they entertain platinum violence kids get slain its insane 2-pac and Biggie and the boy it's a constant refrain pray to abstain from the lie, sustain the truth we got to come together y'all we loosin mad youth pain is a part of life its somethin we all feel give your time and your money to the needy. keep it real sufferin is like a good thief it gives no warnin let's stop playin the game, fa real, God is callin