Health Care

First of all I want to say that i love the US military. Pro is right it is a very functional part of government. However, I certainly would not put the military and government in the same category. They respond to executive commands from the feds but are a completely separate substructure to the government. It is made up of extremely talented and qualified personnel operating under a chain of command in a enviroment of extreme competition and accountablity. There is absolutely no way that a government take over of health care could ever operate as efficiently as the military. Besides the military is something that the citizens can not do for themselves. Health care on the other hand is. The people are perfectly capable of providing their own health care with out the big bloated federal government getting in the way. Abraham Lincoln said that "The worst thing you can do for those you love is the things they could and should do themselves". If only we had less government involved in health care then free market would be allowed to work as it is supposed to. I can't event buy health insurance across state lines if I want to. The solution is less government, not more. What if I went to my job and the more I screw up the more i was promoted. That would not make sense. So why with the feds we continue to give them more power the more they screw up? I am sure that pro will ask me to scour the internet looking for data from some research agency to back up my claim that government has continually made things worse for the average american but that would take a very long time and be inconclusive so I'm not going to do it. But I think most people know it to be true. Just look at the debt we are in that we will never be able to get out of. Health care for everyone will only ad to this debt. If you believe universal health care will save us money than i have some beach front property i would like to sell you. If you'll notice the proposed bill does not address any common sense solutions like more competition across state lines or tort reform. This is not an accident. This health care reform is not about health care but a gigantic power grab by administration to advance its radical socialistic agenda. I'm not saying that socialism is a bad thing as long as everyone knows exactly how it works and what it is. First I would like everyone to understand that socialism is the polar opposite to the way our founders established this country with limited government. If we are able to have an open and honest debate about how much government we want and Americans decide they want to move away from our founders had intended then I am ok with that. But it does not happen like that. Progressive steps are made toward socialism in the cover of darkness without honest debate. I found in Rasmussen that 52% of voters oppose the proposed health care plan while 44% favor. As far as the 1/6 economy comment, just type that sentence in google and you will see lots of stats to prove it. I agree with Pro that what i have said is mostly rhetoric based on opinion. But this is the format of debate i would like have with someone. Statistical battles rarely get you anywhere. I would like to have a general discussion about how much government we want and how much individual responsiblity we want. Pro has a tactic to win a debate which consists of delegitimizing my argument but i am still waiting for someone to come up with some solid points that stand on its own to support the need for big government. Can anyone out there do this?