Enter The Wu-Tang (36 Chambers) is a better album than Wu-Tang Forever

It's a great pleasure to welcome my long term delinquent associate Lukas to his first debate here on DDO. He's the only person I've successfully persuaded to join the site and after more than six months he's agreed to debate me. This will be a light-hearted debate on a niche musical topic that we both have strong opinions on. Hopefully it won't get too nasty and I won't have to bust out my metal flying guillotine on his @ss. Obviously the subject of this debate is a mere matter of opinion with no real objective truth value but we both have a responsibility to back up our opinions with evidence and logic. ___________ Enter The Wu-Tang (36 Chambers) is a better album than Wu-Tang Forever. http://www.discogs.com... http://www.discogs.com... http://en.wikipedia.org... http://en.wikipedia.org... You crazy blud! Enter murks it! Enter The Wu-Tang (36 Chambers) is a monumental sparse masterpiece that flipped the script on hip hop at the time. Wu-Tang Forever is a sloppy bloated saga that sounded just how everyone expected it to. Enter is The Beatles storming America. Forever is Vegas era Elvis singing show tunes. In 1993 the West Coast was dominating the East in terms of sales. The Dr Dre inspired sounds of G-Funk had taken over the commercial hip hop industry and the East had gone back underground. 36 Chambers was at the forefront of bringing the focus of the global hip hop community right back to New York. This was a self-produced album that gained enough buzz on the street to allow these 9 young men to effectively hold the record industry to ransom, securing a historical deal that allowed them all to collaborate on each other's solo projects across five major record labels. Take a look at any list of "The Greatest Hip Hop Albums Of All Time" or some such. If there's no Wu, then you know the list is wack but where there is Wu, Enter is there and Forever ain't. http://www.buzzle.com... http://www.rocklistmusic.co.uk... http://answers.yahoo.com... http://www.listology.com... http://rap.about.com... http://www.scaruffi.com... Rolling Stone even names it amongst the greatest 500 albums of all time (out of any genre and this the biggest rock magazine in the world) I'll be shocked if you can find even one or two that list Forever higher. Even though the vinyl copy of Enter is wackly quiet and the release of Forever is nicely spaced out on 4 discs, guess which album DJs take out more? Obviously Forever is a whole lot longer but I don't think you can really argue quantity over quality with music or any other artform. Considering the album genre, you have to take into account what works well as a listening experience and less is often more. Taking it tune by tune, there just aren't ANY tunes on Forever that stand up to stuff like Protect Your Neck, Chessboxin', 7th Chamber Part II, C.R.E.A.M., Tearz, Nuthing Ta F' Wit etc. Every tune on Enter is killer and all the skits too. Forever is mostly filler, guest spots from Cappadonna and shyte. Let us not forget that "the flow, changes like a chameleon, plays like a friend and stabs you like a dagger. This technique attacks the immune system, disguised like a lie paralyzing the victim. You scream as it enters your bloodstream, erupts your brain from the pain these thoughts contain. Moving on a ----- with the speed of a centipede and injure any mother----ing contender" Lastly of course, "Toad Style is immensely strong and immune to nearly any weapon, when it's properly used it is almost invincible." I challenge my opponent to make his case.