The Central Principle of Christianity is IMMORAL

Hi Philosurfer, yes I'm enjoying this too. I said I would hold up my end of the bargain. This is going to be difficult of course as it's 2 ends of the spectrum. I believe I have given you a very fair evaluation of my belief and why, yet you still make accusations that are unwarranted I'm afraid. You have made many assumptions about me and my personal belief unfortunately in your arguments. It's seems like you personally know all Christians and how they get there.So I will spell it out again for youYes, I believe in the existence of God.Yes, I believe in the Bible as the true word of that God. I do not belong to Catholicism, Islam nor Judaism nor a Chrisitan church as such.I do not follow a 'typical' Christian doctrine of traditions. 'Typical' as I'm trying to presume you know about faith and Christians.My faith came to me over 30 years of searching and observing the world around me. I looked at all different types of religion and what they believed. I live with Buddhists by the way, and these guys are great. Every religion has moral teaching but why is that? Religion does not form your morality it acts as a guide to your morality so that you do not stray too far, as a reminder.I will give you a link to the book that finally nailed by belief in a one true God.http://www.amazon.co.uk...;Why would a book like that seal my belief? Well God is the source of all order in the universe. Pure logic is essentially divine. It's so simple and elegant, it cannot be by chance random processes of evolution. You deny the power of logic to find the truth, you deny God. Which is why I'm surprised, you as a philosopher, take such views as you do and get deceived by the world. Plus not teaching these concepts to children I find is immoral literally. This was the basis of a good all-round education generally Christian based for may be 1800 years. The public school system finds no use for the liberal arts, as we are indoctrinated to serve the state through the servile arts. We don't teach children how to think!!! That's immoral.Logical and mathematical proofs transcend space and time. You think they are physical unfortunately which is bizarre. You should say something like, those poor Christians have all the wrong chemicals, not like me as I'm superior to them, but instead you attack and try not to understand the very basis of your own belief. Atheists are illogical people. They have to deny logical absolutes exist to make their case. They sit in a tree and saw off the very branch they sit on, or sit in God's lap to slap him in the face. Don't you see it? I would apply some deep thinking to that topic when you get chance. That's how I certainly know God exists. I am on level 3, when you will remain on level 2 thinking if you deny the existence of God. You sit in your lap of luxury in the West (originally wholly Christian founded of course) and criticise the very thing that gave you your life that you have. That's pride or ignorance. You will exercise level 2 thinking and be swayed with any popular opinion that's around as you cannot see the truth of it all. Humanity is a brotherhood fella. I stand on a rock in my beliefs, you stand on Jello dood. 'But when we hold these ideas up juxtaposed to what we know today, in conjunction with what we agree are the ethical and moral normatives of today'Who's we? Again, what stops these from changing tomorrow, next year, next decade. You seem like the person that would engage in rape and murder if it was the norm of society, of course only of certain people that society didn't like, because you're not even that immoral. You don't and can't deny this from your very illogical position. You haven't thought about it. It's incredible really. So, no I didn't buy the farm hook line and sinker as you suggest, as you have already boxed me up in your mind. Which is sad really. I am a well-reasoned logical person who has the will and God given tools to find the truth. You admit there is an absolute truth in the World, yes? Well I would try looking with that God given brain of yours and see what you find. Where you are at the moment, there's nothing but human deception. Sadly self-deception through pride. You cannot bear to think there is a higher moral power as that would make you accountable, and you don't like the thought of it do you? So what you haven't killed anyone or stole anything, great job I applaud you along with 98% of the human race. Maybe that's objective morality implying a law giver perhaps?So, God exists. Can the Bible be the word of that God. Why not? You believe there are a group of people in history that were God's chosen people, else why have the state of Israel now. You want to see that gone do you? Ultimately that's your belief. Why don't you stick to your beliefs ultimately and deny Israel?? You are the ultimate hypocrite in all of this, I just hope you realise one day. God exists, the bible is the testament of the existence of those people. It's so funny how you think people of this era were dumb or illiterate. You apply your highly evolved (?) apparently superior brain and make blanket statements to people you don't even know. So what, you have your TV, laptop , Iphone, but you've given your brain up in return for material comforts. It's so funny. Take a look back in history and say these people were dumb or uneducated. Better still read the OT and see how not dumb they were. I think you'll find a lot that were highly educated. Languages have not evolved, they have devolved. Ever thought about that?Vicarious Redemption - you make it sound like it's going on today!! We're talking Jesus' sacrifice right. I don't know where you're going with all this Middle Eastern business. You're clutching and grasping at anything to make a point. You only have blanket accusations to make ignoring my actual position. Look at the title of the debate please. I've explained fully my position that you still do not take into account. It was the end of all sacrifice for humanity and it deserves attention as it was so monumental. It changed the course of history for the better, but of course you wouldn't believe that, as I said you are very ignorant of ancient history. It seems like you do need to get some basic history lessons in there somewhere. I would try Tragedy and Hope by Prof Carroll Quigley when you have the time, then you will see what you are dealing with.'The truth is you have never thought about it in this way, nor do you know as much about it as you think you do, except for maybe the parts that help you sleep better at night! No this is no fairy-tale my friend. It is the sad, shameful, infantile part of our human story that I hope we will one day out-grow'Wow you know all of human history without showing me an ounce of that knowledge, except parroting blanket accusations from your moulded view. Not moulded by you of course. I'm a little tired now of your childish non sequituurs and assumptions really. You don't like Christians, so any attempt to trash me is fine by you. I have opened up my thoughts to you honestly and with respect, and you trash me as a person. I think you are most disrespectful at times. But atheists attack from a position of weakness, I understand. Statistics - non sequituur here really, not the topic, as you are using it to somehow to trash Christian belief, while trying to take a moral highground. I hope you don't deflate yourself one day. You are applying statistics of people in prison to trash the rest of Christians in society. Kind of novel, but as I said very disingenuous and dangerous. Most dictators use that sort of methodology when they're deciding which of their own people they should kill to create a supposed better one. As stated I'm not Catholic, Muslim or Jew. Crusades, Inq all irrelevant, and exactly how I came to my own beliefs. Power, money, greed and pride. Not true Christianity. 6000 years, what do you have?Once upon a time, billions of years ago...