Abortion

Con said... "Having human DNA wasn't my full definition of human life; a being must also be an individual organism and alive in order to be a human being. In this way, blood cells are not human beings because, despite being both human and alive, they are not individual organisms. Yet foetuses are human beings because a foetus is an alive individual organism with unique human DNA." You are clearly confused on the difference between human and human being. An egg and sperm have potential to become human and then it has potential to become a human being. Why does someone have to have unique DNA to be human? A blood cell is human. A clone is a human being. Con also said... "Just to say, when I say 'separate' I am not saying that the body is not attached, all this says is that the foetus is not a part of the mother's body, which logically entails that it is a separate body." The fetus is definitely part of the mothers body. Everything the mother puts in her will harm or help the fetus. "The foetus does not choose to use the mother's body, unlike the person in the analogy." So your saying that the fetus has the right to use someone's body without consent because it doesn't get to pick the person it takes the rights away from... " it would be immoral for someone to sever my blood supply and then refuse to keep me alive using their body. " Why should it matter? Without consent, you have no right to continue using that blood. " what I am saying is that it is immoral to not consent to harbouring one's child inside the womb. Of course a mother can not consent to this and go and abort her child, but I'm arguing that it is not moral to do this." Is it not immoral for the fetus to use the mother's body without permission? The fetus is robbing a mother of her basic rights. "Using an analogy, there is a mother in the middle of the wilderness who has given birth to an unwanted baby. Morally, is she justified in abandoning the baby because she has no obligations to children she does not wish to care for? Not at all, if she does not wish to care for the baby then she can hand it over to adoption centres, but if she cannot do this at the moment then she has an obligation to not harm the child until the child has been handed over." When the baby is born you are taking the human being debate out of question, so yes, the baby has rights. I think you are missing my whole argument. A woman should not have to be forced to stay pregnant because she has a right to say "No" to something using her body without permission. " A tiny minority of abortions are sought because of rape, so this is an appeal to extremes fallacy." Even though only a small amount of abortions are done due to rape, it doesn't mean that rape is a very common crime around the world. Suggesting the extreme leads to an absurd conclusion. So rape cases are not an example of the appeal to extremes fallacy. However, if I argued "What if a fetus was going to kill the mother and the fetus had to die?" then that would be an example of the appeal to extremes fallacy. " The child is innocent and so it is not moral to punish it." How is the "child" innocent? It is obvious that the fetus is using the mother's body for its own agenda agents the mother's will. "With that logic, I would be able to murder my disabled brother because he cannot make medical decisions and I am his next of kin, yet this is absurd. Termination of life is not a medical decision." If your brother was on life support any you were the legal next-of-kin, you could. And the fetus is on life support for nine months. " all I am saying is that if Person A causes Person B to be in a dependent position, then Person A is not morally justified in withdrawing the means of Person B's survival." If that were true then if I were a drunk driver and I hit someone and that person had to be put in the hospital , it would be my moral duty to go to medical school and care for that person, which us illogical. "Pro ignores the consistency argument, headed 'Argument 2'." Yes I did. But perhaps I need to be more clear. The fetus is being immoral in a pregnancy if the mother does not give consent. Sources: "APPEAL TO EXTREMES." N.p., n.d. Web. <http://www.logicallyfallacious.com...;. Arthur, Joyce. Pro Choice Action Network. N.p., n.d. Web. <http://www.prochoiceactionnetwork-canada.org...;. N.p., n.d. Web.