The Death Penalty should be Abolished

“Thank you with engaging with my arguments although I think that you need to provide some arguments against as well as rebutting my position.” I work best with rebuttals. Using rebuttals, I can eliminate all of my opponent's points so I can say, “You have nothing”. “I'm finding it difficult to take you seriously when you argued that prison was "not even a bad place for prisoners".” Really, I provided 3 links for it and Huffpost says that Prisoners make really good food. Although prison is not sunshine and flowers, it’s not a dystopia either. Fights are often mutually consensual between the prisoners. “Furthermore, you are completely deprived of so much freedom.” Given that many prisoners are poor, they wouldn’t care as long as they have a place to sleep and 3 meals a day. I believe prisons punish people, but there are perks to being a prisoner. “it doesn't matter if a few innocent people die.” I did not say that. I meant that if a few innocent people die, then it’s not okay, but it necessary to save more lives down the road and to make eye for an eye justice. There are times when a true method of eye for an eye would actually be less conventional then the current punishment. The punishment for kidnapping 3 children for a week according to an eye for an eye would be 3 weeks in jail, since jail is like punishment based kidnapping. But our current justice system has arbitrary punishments for this such as years in jail for the same crime. “You then provided a logically fallacious statistic that only 4.1% of convicts for murder are innocent. I'm not sure how that one is worked out.” How is this falicitical? If the rate of innocents dying was over 10%, then I would be against the DP for murder, but it’s not. “But surely there must be more since the reason they are convicts is that people think they are guilty so surely those that are innocent are not recorded?” This does not make much sense. Furthermore, 4.1% is imperfect, but still not too bad. “Considering the incarceration rate of countries like the USA that is a lot of wrongly convicted people (many of whom are probably Black Americans)”. I imagine most of them are male too. But saying that DP is racist is like saying it is sexist. Ideally, if the reason why innocents are wrongfully executed is because of lack of evidence, then there should be stricter laws on willingly withholding evidence. This way, less evidence is withheld and less innocents get executed. We wouldn’t lie to families of innocent convicts. We simply don’t tell them that they were innocently executed. “Next, you provided a very generalising and a verging on the racist argument against my assertion of racial bias in the prison system.” I was being factual. Also, like I said previously, more males are executed than females. Does this make the prison system sexist? No. Males are more likely to commit crime and Blacks are more likely to commit crime if the stats say so. Maybe the reason why they are 7x more likely to be killed innocently might be because they are 7x more likely to end up on death row. Since Blacks tend to be more likely to be criminals due to them being poor, it only makes sense that they tend to do more intense crimes as well due to poverty. This may be why they are 4x more likely to commit crime and 7x more likely to be on death row. Also, many Blacks tend to live in the South, where the death penalty is more prominent than in the North, where there are less blacks. Although http://www.law.umich.edu... states that innocent Africans are 7x more likely to be innocently convicted than innocent Caucasions, this could be because Africans are more likely to be in the wrong place in the wrong time. As you explained last time, there are cases of jurors being openly racist during death penalty trials but this is extremely rare and not the cause of the problem at hand. “We can put them in solitary confinement and protect others instead of taking the lazy option and murdering them.” If you put murderers into solitary confinement, this is harsher than what they deserve. An eye for an eye demands equal retribution of punishment, nothing more, nothing less. I also don’t support solitary confinement for prisoners unless they did something bad enough to endure it. They probably would use the boredom to do something bad instead of something good. “you argue that we should guarantee killing lots of people in the hope that some people may survive which could be achieved anyway.” I don’t believe in killing all prisoners. Just some of them. “Also, thanks for admitting that being killed is more painful than life in prison.” It’s kindof true. I would rather be in prison for life than being killed. “This reveals that my second argument against the death penalty still stands. Victims may or may not feel more satisfaction when the criminal dies but this is not always what we should base the DP on.” I wasn't. You were. I base my stance on eye for an eye and countries with the death penalty tend to have lower homicide rates when factoring out other things. I may have other reasons. “You then made a very dubious claim that Japan having the death penalty means it has a lower homicide rate than SA.” It’s a correct claim. SA is poorer than Japan, but does this alone explain the huge discrepancy in homicide rates? https://en.wikipedia.org... and https://en.wikipedia.org... state that the DRC has alower homicide rate while having DP. This is when the DRC is poorer than SA by GDP per capita (https://en.wikipedia.org...(nominal)_per_capita). Sorry about the Wikis. Since my computer has GOogle and Bing blocked on it, I can only use frontier which makes it hard to get more reliable sources. They are all .org s though, and I think they are right on this. “SA is a much poorer country with immense social and racial problems whereas Japan is richer and has a much more cohesive and safe society.” Always bringing race into this. Ignoring that, South Africa is more racially diverse than Japan and Japan treats the minorities it does have (South Koreans) pretty badly, so it seems Japan is more racist than SA. “These examples are utterly ridiculous to use to justify your argument of a deterrent. Also although some murderers may never feel sorrow, that doesn't mean that some do.” Most would not want to die. If they did, they might have committed suicide. “give them the opportunity to apologise to the victim's family and make positive changes.” Dylan Roof would not apologize to the people he killed and neither would Adam Lanza. This would not help out most victims. I believe that murderers should get killed and other criminals should serve their sentence. “Next, I don't doubt that some families of criminals want them to die.” Adam Lanza’s parents wished he had never been born(https://www.today.com...) “Many, unsurprisingly, would rather have their child spend time in prison than be murdered in a painful way.” Because it’s less of a punishment, but that doesn’t make it right. This is a separate issue, but I was trying to apply a consistency test. A sleeping person can barely feel pain too. Is it okay to kill them? But I digress. “You can learn in prison, you can also confront the victim's family and you can lead a good life in prison.” Or you might want to kill them too. It’s not like the dead person can be brought back. Since he murdered, he should know what it’s like. If you kill them, then the criminal gets what they deserved. Murder is unforgivable. They don’t deserve to learn, that’s too dangerous. They deserve to die. “Moreover, fiery and often political stances and emotion do play a part in convictions. The religion of judges does have an impact on who dies.” This applies to both sides. “Furthermore, being sick in the head is often caused by the carrying out of violence” As someone who has autism, people who are sick in the head should control themselves. “just like violence in video games leads to violence in real life.” THis is a digression just like my abortion claim. “And considering the plethora of states this study was done on it is far more reliable for instance certain states which have the death penalty are richer and yet still have higher murder rates.” It’s an unfair study to an extent because the non DP states tend to have richer and this could be the cause for the homicide decrease. It’s a similar situation for Japan vs South Africa however, the difference in homicide is so much that wealth alone was not responsible for the decrease. “There is a tangible and real link between brutality from an authority leading towards ordinary citizens” Prove it. “thinking its okay to be brutal in the same way a holy book encourages violence. I am also an atheist too by the way.” I’m an atheist because the bible contradicts itself a lot. However, I like a lot of biblical morality. However, the bible encourages the DP, this encourages conservatives to support the DP as well. Liberals discourage DP and this causes supporters to be against it. It goes both ways. I think that although the DP is more expensive than life in prison, this cost can be eliminated by the obvious murderers(like Dylan roof and Adam Lanza, they obviously committed homicide) getting executed publicly in a stadium with ticket prices raising money to pay for the execution and to fund more expensive trials which can save more innocent convicts. It’s revenge when the person affected does it. It is not revenge when the state kills. Otherwise, soldiers would be murderers, which with few exceptions is not true. P.S. In the future, can you make the amount of time to argue 72 hours? Then I can construct better arguments because I’m rushed because of the debate.