A 3rd civil war

==Rebuttals Continued== "1. Since the militias have no set travel patterns how will the operatives find the militia?"Well, the militia has to recruit soldiers from the general public? The operatives won't even need to look for the militia. Furthermore, you can track the movement of large groups from satellites."2. The militia arn't dumb, they would interogate him, and he may crack. And also, if he was caught contacting UN and US troops he would be shot. A big deterent. 1) The Militias cannot interrogate every single person who joins the group.2) Not all operatives will be contacting the US/UN groups. In fact, some may even simply be 'loyalists' or 'patriots', acting on their own. And in the midst of war, would a civilian really be worried about who their 'allies' are communicating with? " lol those army's are spread out too. So the rebelions could surrond each military base in america, and overwhelm it. They are just as speed out, even more so. SO The US army would be overun by the time UN troop arrive. "1) Military strategists aren't that stupid. They would be quick to realize the situation once some civilians start attempting to attack. I doubt that in a civil war, the civilians will be able to coordinate attacks straight from the beginning. There is usually an escalation to the actual war.-->Now the most likely course of action that the US Military is going to take is to pull out or try to establish a base within part of America. Pulling out wouldn't be a problem - Canada and Mexico are nearby and they have plenty of airplanes. "Not really, one armed mob could just go in and overwhelm, no tactics needed, (arguemnt above). And the UN soldiers woudl take a while to get here because they'd have to get organized. Also so would the army, they would have to organize defences, plans, and their troops and arms before this could be done. So it would be US organizing and being overwhelmed, Armed pissed mobs, and the UN troops taking weeks to get there. "1) Actually, the mobs need to distribute the weapons first - unless if my opponent wishes the majority of the mob to be armed with baseball bats and rocks.2) As I've said before, I think that the military is likely to pull out or establish an area that is under their control first. And it wouldn't be that hard to mobilize. Plenty of airplanes and trucks for them to use, along with tanks to support them during transportation. The planning will happen after.3) The US is one of the major contributors to the UN and part of the UN security council. Without a doubt, the US has a lot of power within the UN. It wouldn't take that long to get approved."How do they do this when facing 100,000 armed citizens per base. Also I am going to steal your loyalties argument:Stay at the base and let your family get looted, hurt, or possibly killed or draged in the war against you (choosing to join militia)or leave/desert and help your family. So the US forces woudl have mass desertians. "1) Well, as I've explained before, at the point of a civil war, it is likely that the US government has severely caused dissent among Americans. This suggests that the government at that point would be somewhat similar to an 'authoritarian' government. An authoritarian government with the power that America has is likely to commit some form of media control, propaganda, etc, in order to create 'loyalist' groups. You must see that a civil war doesn't simply occur without warning. There will be a evident rise and clashes will occur between rebels and loyalists. At that point, some areas will be classified as 'loyalist' and other areas classified as 'rebels'. Knowing your family is in a 'loyalist' area that is protected by US troops will satisfy many soldiers. In fact, it is much more likely that once the rebels realize that the US government will use chemical/biological weapons, and perhaps even nuclear, rebels are much more likely to give in and desert the area."They can overun the naval bases and use the anti-naval guns against the US ships. But places like hawaii would be in trouble your correct. "So let me get this straight. A large group of angry people - equipped with basic weapons and perhaps even only their fists, are supposed to overrun a large force of trained military operatives that are prepared for a possible civil war? Of course my opponent could say that these mobs are armed with guns -- but they would have to equip and distribute the weapons amongst themselves. A gathering this big could be targeted by long-range weapons."aurmored vehicles, guns, ammo, body aurmor could be purchased very cheaply via black market. Also with Irans weapons shipments the militia would be doing ok. "Does my opponent expect their to be enough grenades, body armor, combat boots, robots, chemical/biological weaponry, camouflage, special energy bars, etc., for every single civilian? I fail to see how the civilians could find, distribute such adequate equipment among themselves."Also my recent libya argument still works. Their army didn't cripple them. "I've already said that the rebels received air support from NATO, which was critical in their victory. However, the air support and extra forces will be provided to the US government, instead of the militias."Not really, those tactics where made for chaotic times. Also look at vietnam, gurilla tactics slauhterd US troops, and befor the US the french. So looking at a second historical reference, and how and what gureilla tactics do, this argument is false. " 1) Well, did the US engage in chemical, biological, or nuclear warfare with Vietnam? No. Let me paint the situation for you. You are a civilian rebel. In recent days, you have fought with your comrades for weapons, attempted to assault a military base, only to find that it is deserted or it's heavily defended by fully equipped troops. Your home town and many more rebel areas have been bombed by chemical gas or biological weapons. The chemical gas knocking out and fatally killing many of your fellow Americans. And the biological weapons causing death and great fear among your allies as they try to control the spread. Only to be bombed again. You don't know who's infected or who's not, you don't know if you are going to eat tonight, and and you don't know who's to be trusted and who's not. Can my opponent really say that when the actual foot invasion occurs that the civilians will be prepared?MY opponent explains how to modify an AR-15 into an automatic weapon1) I doubt that the majority will be able to modify their own AR-15s, especially in the situation I've shown above.2) Furthermore, I don't think that even with an automatic weapon a civilian would be prepared for a full on attack by the military.3) My opponent still doesn't explain how the distribution will occur.==Defending my Arguments== "SO, in a hypothetical WW3 there will be allies, also they would get a few. I garentee al quida and iran would join the figh via black market. And the al quida maybe even literally. The allies situation is factual. In all likleyhood the UN wouldn't be involved, but I added them in to be fair. " 1) Since when did this become WW3? I thought this was a 'Civil War', hence the title.2) You haven't answered my argument. Would Iran and terrorists really object to the US Government suppressing its own people?3) Just how would these people help at all? Large cargo ships containing weapons wouldn't really go unnoticed. 4) The US is very involved in the UN. I personally think that the UN would help out. My opponent uses the Soviet War in Afghanistan as an example.1) The Mujahideen received unofficial military and/or financial support from a many countries such as the United States, Saudi Arabia, the United Kingdom, Pakistan, Israel, Indonesia and China. 2) The Soviets were in a foreign land.3) They will be using different tactics.=====I am out of space...again. I wish there wasn't a limit. I shall continue next round. (-.-')