Although he has some flaws, Olimar is not a bad character in Super Smash Bros. Brawl.

I'm going to keep this final argument short. Anywho, I'd like to direct your attention to these videos: . http://www.youtube.com... . http://www.youtube.com... . http://www.youtube.com... . http://www.youtube.com... . http://www.youtube.com... These videos show two top professional Smash players at an official Smash tournament. The rules were who wins 3 out of 5 matches wins overall. Despite the fact that one of the players used Meta Knight (who is considered to be the best character in the game), the victory fell into the hands of the Olimar player. This is a GOP, as my opponent calls it. He has perfect control over his Pikmin and uses the right ones in the right situations. Now to counter my opponent's arguments: "1) My opponent mentions pikmin disorganization as a result of the player. It is very time consuming to sort out pikmin by color and size to the advantage of Olimar, and will potentially result in multiple lost lives. " The Olimar player can grab the opponent, throw him/her away, then proceed to quickly toss Pikmin off the stage and pluck some more or whistle them into the order the player wishes while the opponent recovers from Olimar's throw. "2) Pikmin thrown are easily killed; it takes a dodge or hit. If Olimar's pikmin are successful 50% of the time (to be generous), 3 land on the player. Then a smash attack will kill all 3, and Olimar will need to summon 6, or, as my opponent proposes, go in for a grab. But given the distance from which pikmin are generally thrown, the other player will have time to avoid the grab. So logically, Olimar will begin plucking pikmin. This cycle (my opponent's main arguments all revolve around pikmin-tossing) will leave the Olimar player at a disadvantage. " In this statement, my opponent only provides an example of an Olimar using Pikmin Throw at maximum range, and that the opponent is close to the edge of the stage (whereas the Pikmin would die from a dodge by falling off the stage). Let's say Olimar is at close to medium range, and the opponent is nowhere near the edge of the stage. Olimar throws 6 Pikmin, the opponent dodges 3, and they land on the floor and run back to Olimar. The other 3 land on the opponent. The opponent attacks them, and since Olimar's close enough he can run in for a dash grab or another attack of the player's choice while the opponent recovers from their attack. "3)Olimar's small-body physics is disadvantageous for many reasons; I've killed Olimar with one smash attack by King Dedede even at 0 damage; I knocked him far enough off the map to where he couldn't return after leaving him with only 3 pikmin for his up-B recovery. " I'm going to have to agree with my opponent with this one. Olimar's weight can be detrimental. "4) My opponent needs to come up with an ideal "Good Olimar Player" (GOP :p) for me to refute. If he continues saying that my arguments only pertain to a BOP, then I can't make any arguments. After the standard is provided, the debate will be easier to judge, given a brightline. " Those videos should do nicely. Also, please take a gander at this: . http://super-smash-bros.wikia.com... In the middle of the page, you can clearly see the current tier list for Brawl. Look who's in spot #8. That's right, it's Olimar. Being #8 out of all those characters is pretty darn good. This concludes my argument. I patiently await my opponent's response.