The Christian God Created Life On Earth

Thanks Pro for taking this "unconventional" stance. Well, to start off...I reject the claim that the christian god in particular created life on earth. Let's refute. Pro says: "THIS IS...A DEBATE SIMPLY ABOUT THE PRINCIPLE THAT GOD CREATED US" My response: Nope. This is a debate simply about the claim that god created life on earth. Humans are only one classification of life, so Pro only has to demonstrate god-->life not god-->humans. Pro adds: "THIS...DEBATE...[is] NOT [about] THE METHOD IN WHICH [god] ACCOMPLISHED [creating life]." My response: Well, if Pro doesn't supply a mechanistic explanation of HOW god accomplished creating life, then how does Pro know that god created life? Without knowledge of the mechanism behind life creation, one cannot deduce an agent of the mechanism. Pro continues: "The creation of Earth by God has nothing to do with the Bible." My response: The creation of earth by god has nothing to do with this debate. The resolution presupposes that earth already exists before life, so its creation, unless directly part of god's mechanism for life's creation, is irrelevant. Pro posits: "What Created Us?...Why not god?" My response: Again, it's not just about us...we're talking about the origins of life not the origins of humans. Since Pro has the burden of proof, the question should NOT be "Why not god?" The burden rests on the question "Why god?" Either Pro explains why/how god is the answer to the origins of earthly life or he doesn't. Pro expands his burden: "God pushed the metaphorical boulder that rolled down the hill in a "big bang" and the passage of the boulder down the hill is similar to the creation of universes and in the end, the creation of life itself. This series of causual events can lead and trace back to God." My response: I understand that a boulder rolling down a hill is being used as metaphor to represent a cause and effect chain from the beginning of the universe to the origins of life, so given this metaphor... How did god push this boulder? Did god create the boulder that he pushed? If so, how? Did god create the path of the boulder too? If so, how? What about the end of the rolling boulder's path demonstrates the christian god's creation of life on earth? Maybe instead of a metaphorical explanation, Pro could provide a mechanistic explanation of HOW the christian god is directly responsible for the creation of life on earth. Pro cites Michio Kaku: "Higher dimensional people, therefore, would have powers similar to God: they could walk through walls, disappear and reappear at will, reach into the strongest steel vaults, and see through buildings." My response: I cite Michio Kaku, "we stress that there is at present no experimental evidence for higher dimensions." http://mkaku.org... Ok, well until you can give us some experimental evidence, I really have no reason to accept higher dimensions and neither should any critical thinking individual. If correct, all the Kaku quote would indicate is that there are higher dimensional people who would be similar to god...doesn't sound like the monotheistic christian god to me. Then Pro posits: "Just like how we, thrid dimensional creatures, can create Flatlanders, why can't God create us, albeit through a more complicated way?" My response: The question should be "What is the complicated way through which god created life?" Pro needs to mechanistically explain this for Pro's burden to be met. Also, the resolution is pretty specific that the god is the christian god, and that life is the life that we know of on earth, and sadly Pro has not mentioned anything from Christianity's god nor anything about life. Look at Pro's first set of 10,000 characters...no Christianity or life mentioned. Pro mentioned some string theory/multi dimensional first causer (boulder roller), and mentioned the earth's creation and the creation of "us"...that's it. Then Pro challenges me: "How else was life created?" My response: How else? Pro hasn't provided any explanation of the origins of life so there is no else to provide. Pro, come on...How did the Christian god create life on earth? The last time I checked, Christianity has nothing to do with multiple dimensions. But, the "challenge" given to me by pro will not go unacknowledged...check the tattoo avatar. Pro mentioned "Scientists claim life was founded through a series of amino acids coming together..." Pro is referring to abiogenesis Abiogenesis is a fact. Abiogenesis is the fact that life can come from inorganic compounds. In chemistry, a compound is organic if it is covalently bonded to carbon. If the compound is not covalently bonded to carbon it is inorganic. So the distinction between inorganic and organic in chemistry can be very small if you're dealing with carbon compounds. The Miller Urey and replicated experiments showed that with naturally occurring atmospheric gases, inorganic compounds, like those of earlier earth, can become organic compounds. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov... So let's see how extreme inorganic-->organic is. Here's an inorganic carbon compound, cyanate H N C O Here's an organic compound, an amino acid/building block of life, Glycine C 2 H 5 N O 2 Are 2 more carbon atoms, 5 more hydrogen atoms, and 1 more oxygen atom that extreme of a change? Does Glycine seem to have anything in it that couldn't be found in earth's earlier atmosphere? Ok well then the idea of inorganic-->organic shouldn't seem that radical. A claim from people who have not looked at the replicated studies of the Miller Urey is that too much oxygen, which would be present in earth's atmosphere, ruins the results of inorganic-->organic. This is true, but any lowering at all of the oxygen from the typical atmosphere allows for the inorganic-->organic switch proven in the experiments. These oxygen fluctuations are demonstrable. http://mbe.oxfordjournals.org... Once we have amino acids, many opponents to the theory say, well amino acids are just lifeless organic matter...how do you get to replication genetically? Ready? Amino acids react with each other, and if a chain of amino acids, polypeptides, fold onto themselves, they become biologically active. To quote the NIH: "The sequence of the amino acid chain causes the polypeptide to fold into a shape that is biologically active." http://ghr.nlm.nih.gov... Once we have biologically active proteins, we are talking about basic genetics. RNA - a messenger carrying instructions from DNA for controlling the synthesis of proteins. Abiogenesis proves that life can come from non-life with the pressures and atmosphere of an earlier earth, and this negates a need for any god-like creator. To conclude: 1. Pro has not provided a mechanistic explanation of how the christian god in particular created life on earth, and instead Pro has referenced string theory/multiple dimensions and a boulder metaphor for god's involvement in the creation of the universe and us, not life in general...just humans. 2. Pro cited a legit physicist with an illegitimate idea that is blatantly discounted in the very source Pro provided...check the source yourself...it's mentioned in the first paragraph. Multiple dimensions is not an accepted scientific theory in cosmology/physics at this point, and Kaku is honest enough to admit it. 3. God has tried to shift the burden of proof on to me by saying things like "Why not god?" and "How else was life created?" This shows Pro's misunderstanding of their burden of proof. 4. Abiogenesis is a fact. Life can come from non-life, and the peer reviewed journals seem to indicate that an earlier earth's atmosphere allows for such. So, I reject the claim that the christian god created life on earth.