beem0r is a dreamer

I could do this one of two ways. First, I could attack every meaningful statement my opponent made. Second, I could simply make an entirely separate case, showing how inconceivable it is that me, Kleptin, Yraelz, L-M, and SportsGuru are all the same person. I'll just respond to the numbered points quickly and then make my own case. ===== Quote ===== "After having made this comment as well as received several harrassing emails from beem0r and his co-conspirators, I cannot help that they have pushed me into combat." ===== Response to Quote ===== The only way for me or any of my 'co-conspirators' to email you is if you gave us your email address. Since email addresses are not displayed anywhere on debate.org and you have left no comments with your email address, it would be impossible for me or other users to know your email address. ===== Response to Point #1 ===== I trolled my own account [by voting against myself on all my debates] and got a friend to do the same. This does not show that I have multiple accounts. ===== Response to Point #2 ===== Please be more specific as to what you are talking about. None of my comments on that debate show a great level of knowledge of what other accounts are doing. ===== Response to Point #3 ===== Kleptin confessed jokingly to having an extra account, due to the former rumors. At least I assume it was jokingly. It may not have been. However, Kleptin having a second account would not make it likely that me, Yraelz, L-M, and SportsGuru are all him. ===== Response to Point #4 ===== There were a few comments between the post Kleptin was responding to and Kleptin's post. There were also several comments on the debate shortly after by sadolite, who must have found it by browsing debates. Kleptin could just as easily have found it as sadolite did. ===== Response to Point #5 ===== FalseReality won based on a retarded burden of proof. He wanted Yraelz to prove 100% that they were not the same person. The audience apparently bought this burden of proof, and many voted against Yraelz. Also, just because someone wins a debate does not mean they are right, and someone who loses a debate is not necessarily wrong. And the person who debated Nitpelk in his previous debate properly addressed all of his claims therein, so I won't bother re-rebutting those. Now that I've responded to the so-called points, I'll make it blatantly obvious that we are not the same person. ===== #1: LACK OF MOTIVE ===== What motive could we possibly have for doing this? IT cannot be simply to vote for ourselves on multiple accounts, since inactive accounts work just as well for that. Take the account my opponent posted a link to earlier: http://www.debate.org... THAT looks like a mule account. However, it is inconceivable that someone would waste the vast amount of hours that have likely been put into each of these accounts just to get an extra vote. I ask my opponent, what would our motive possibly be? To just confuse people? This seems like a rather time-consuming way to accomplish that. Looking at the amount of time regularly put into each of these accounts, it makes next to no sense to assume that these accounts are the property of one individual. However, it makes a startling amount of sense to assume that each one of these accounts is owned by a separate person, each who simply enjoy debating. Couple this with the fact that my opponent has given no real reason that merits believing that we are all the same person, and it's astonishing that we're even debating this. ===== #2: Implausibility ===== On average, I spend at least 90-120 minutes on a debate. I would assume that many of the others spend much more time, since they seem to use a lot more research than I do. I have had 67 debates. L-M has had 59. Yraelz has had 89. Kleptin has had 78. SportsGuru has had 11. This totals to an astoundingly high number of debates. ALONE, me, L-M, Yraelz, and Kleptin are 4 of the debaters with the highest number of debates. To claim that we're all the same debater is ridiculous, and such a ridiculous claim requires a good amount of warranting, which my opponent has failed to provide. Also, take a look at this debate: http://www.debate.org... I haven't had any more than 4 votes the entire time. My opponent got massacred, and is winning [due to the people who are voting against me on my debates]. If I had 4 alternate accounts, you better believe I'd have at least 5 votes. At the time of posting, it is 5-4 against me on that debate. Also, consider all the debates between the people my opponent claims to be the same person. These are some of the longest debates [my debates with them usually are 8000 chars per round]. Why would the same person, a person who clearly enjoys ACTUALLY debating, spend that much time FAUX debating? It's implausible. Also, consider the fact that we are often online at the same time. Do we have multiple computers, and we log in with different accounts on different ones just to trick people? It is far more reasonable from this to assume that we are in fact different people. At the time of writing this, myself and SportsGuru are the only ones named who are online, but I can attest and you can see for yourself that it is often that many of us are online at once. We would have to go through a great deal of trouble to make it seem like we're all the same people. We would be devoting the majority of our life to this site, and for what? My opponent has not given any reason to think that we are all the same person. Also, we have disagreed with each other outside of debate.org. Those who view the news on the frontpage will know that there is a debate.org tournament, organized via facebook. Here's the link, if you're too busy to click it yourself. http://www.facebook.com... The specific thread I'm talking about is here: http://www.facebook.com... He has 69 friends on facebook, I have 73. And we have no friends in common. This is because he is in a completely different state than I am. He has one friend in NC, and that's me. And he's my only friend in Montana. Since I'm not Yraelz, I can't say that he'll friend you so you can see his list of friends. However, I would be willing to accept any friend request you send me, so you might see that my friends are decidedly not from Montana. The discussion I posted a link to clearly shows who I am, so feel free to send an invite. It boils down to this, ladies and gents. I have shown that my opponent's claim is quite remarkable - he claims that me, Yraelz, L-M, Kleptin, and SportsGuru are all the same person. An extraordinary claim indeed, especially when you consider how little sense it makes, with a lack of motive and the sheer implausibility of the thing. An extraordinary claim requires extraordinary evidence to suport it, and my opponent hasn't provided evidence at all. Thus, he does not have a justified case.