abortion is wrong

wow, very impressive reply there foshizzle :P lets make the illness thing clear 1) THE WOMAN DIDNT KNOW SHE HAD THE ILLNESS WHEN SHE MADE THE BABY !! and the sickness is irrelevant i agree, if your arguing that it wouldnt be right to end the innocent childs life, then wouldnt it been wrong to end the innocent life of the mother too? i then questioned whether or not a fetus can actaully be called a baby and so you say "Yes it is a baby. he/she still has potential for life. he/she would be a living human being with thoughts and love and feelings just as any other human being" when does the baby develop these features ? are you then suggesting a strong strong belief that life starts in the womb at some point? at what point do you feel life begins, only when you have asked yourself that can you decide whether abortion before this point is murder or not. 2) PRO -"And about you said with the martyr leaving behind his family. Isn't this his job? he has aceepted it before hand. It apllies to any situation he has to deal with, not just the death of the mother" this bit confused me because i was refering to the matyr as the mother, who was giving up her life for the babies. 3) the bit about an incurable disease/ilness which has been passsed on to the baby- PRO-"How do you know for a fact that the child would be killed? Yes there is a chance. there is always a chance for any little thing to go wrong. But there is the chance of it going possitively as well. How many children survive disease all around the world every day? how many die?" so i reply if there is a minor chance that things will go wrong then i understand why people Would opt for the chance to live, but for me, if a child was to be born and the chances were greater than 90% of him/her not surviving the first week of it's life, then its more or less going to happen can you tell me that doctors predictions are mostly wrong ? no ? how many people do you think would survive a 90% chance of death? especially a weak, fragile baby. you also said--- "If that's the case then why not just kill everyone out on the streets who is living a healthy life? to suggest that would be cruel as anyone would know. Again i am not minipulating your words" ---- i dont understand how you came to this conclusion, the fact that something is bound to happen is proven by medical experts that the worst is going to happen. i know bad things happen and i know people live through them, i know people get ill and recover but what are the chances of a day old baby pulling through brain damage or something ? 4)PRO- "Children such as these, children with less ability, or less capacity, are automatically assumed to be miserable and poor." i understand how you could have misinterpreted my argument for the assumption that the disabled are unhappy or poor. i know first hand this fact is far from the the truth. what i meant was that if a child isnt going to make it long enough to even experiance any sort of life, if they are just going to be so SERIOUSLY disabled and SO seriouisly handicapped that they are completely unaware that there is a life to be lived. i understand the admirable people who have come through tough tough things and barriers in their life and are happy and successful, but im talking rare cases here. 5) the adopted child thing, yeah i understand your point, im not saying that a child wouldnt grow to be happy with their adopted parents. whos to say that their parents arent responsible to give them up though ? they would be trapped. child abuse can affect a persons whole emotional life and being victim of abuse is not something you can escape from ever. 6) The whole victim of childhood sexul abuse was misunderstood :P i mean that a grown up woman wasnt ready to have a child as she had been sexually abused, and she is emotionally unstable due to her horrific past. out of compassion wouldnt it be better for the woman and child if there was an abortion. and the rape thing, how could a woman be expected to go through 9 months of emotional turmoil, constantly reminded of her terrifying and horrifying ordeal that she was victimised and unvoluntarly impregnated by a man whom she doesnt love. when the child is inside her she'll never be able to escape this memory, she'll never be able to forget because a child came out of it and maybe she'll never love the child because she will maybe feel resentful towards the child. rape can ruin someones life, not only the womans but the child. the child may grow up guilty, ashamed and unwanted as their father was a rapist and their mother a victimised weakling. 7) are you saying that having some form of selfishness is a flaw ? selfishness is a need, and a must have. you have to be selfish its a fact of life if you werent selfish you wouldnt survive. im not talking selfish like, self-obsessed and horrible, but selfish, knowing what you need how to look after yourself and gonig through with the right decisions. im talking selfish having some care for yourself and respecting yourself. and one last thing "if you can make a decision and know what decision your making, explore every possibilty of that decision before you decide whether good or bad"- does this mean to say that if you have explored every single possibility and every single angle of the problem/issue and you have decided for abortion , that is acceptable because you have followed what you said. is this you sort of saying its okay to have an abortion as long as you know its the right decision for you. if so there is no point in this debate. over and out my friend :)