Objective Morals vs. Subjective Morals

Well, for my last round, I will do my best to answer the questions you have raised... But first let me remind whoever is seeing this debate what objective moral values are: Objective moral values is to say that something is right or wrong independently of whether anybody believes it to be so. Is Homosexual natural? The answer to this question depends on how you define natural. If natural means "genetic or biologically determined," then homosexuality is not natural. Decades of scientific research have failed to find a "gay gene" or a sole biological cause for same-sex attraction. The American Psychological Association, the American Psychiatric Association, and even gay researchers all recognize that homosexuality cannot be reduced to biology alone. Instead, they acknowledge that social factors seem to play a key role in the development of homosexuality. No evidence suggests that it's natural for homosexuals to be "born gay." Sometimes natural refers to design. Something is natural if it I functioning the way it was designed to function. But, homosexual behavior isn't natural in this sense, either. It goes against the natural function of the body. Male and female bodies have a "natural" fit because their genes have fashioned their sexual anatomies to complement each other. Their reproductive organs work together harmoniously to produce another human being-a clear indication that natural design favors heterosexual rather than homosexual unions. Some argue that homosexuality is natural in the sense that God created people that way. But there is no reason to believe this. No major religious tradition teaches or affirms that homosexuality is natural or moral. Though some gay advocates deny that the Bible condemns homosexual behavior, they must resort to interpretive gymnastics that distort the clear and obvious meaning of the biblical text. Homosexuality is "natural" in one sense, though. It "occurs in nature" in the sense that some human beings engage in homosexual behavior. Gay advocates argue that if it occurs in nature, then it's morally appropriate. But to conclude that homosexuality is moral simply because it happens with some frequency commits an error in thinking known as the is-ought fallacy. Just because a behavior is occurring in nature doesn't mean it ought to be considered moral. After all, if you accept the natural status-quo as moral, then every behavior seems to pass the morality test. Murder, rape, and theft all "occur in nature." Some animals kill their young or abandon wounded family members. Others cannibalize their mates. These behaviors occur more frequently than homosexuality, yet we wouldn't give blanket approval to them just because they're natural in this sense. Morality is often the opposite of doing what comes naturally, and the ability to overcome natural impulses is one of the things that separate humans from animals. In summary, homosexuality is not a natural behavior if by natural you mean something that fits our anatomy or God's design for sexuality and reproduction. Nazi Germany comparison: Nazi anti-Semitism was morally wrong, even though the Nazis who carried out the Holocaust thought that it was good; and it would still be wrong even if the Nazis had won World War II and succeeded in exterminating or brainwashing everybody who disagreed with them. http://www.reasonablefaith.org... Most countries have an idea of hat is objectively true. Relativism(Subjective truth) isn't even on the same playing field as Absolute truth. Let me explain: 1. Relativism is the belief that there are no objective, absolute truths. 2. The relativist's position is self-defeating because the relativist is making an absolute truth claim when they say, "all truth is relative. 3. If truth is relative, on hat basis can we judge or condemn the actions of people with whom we disagree? 4. Truth is the correspondent between our beliefs and reality. Relativism denies this. 5. A society not governed by absolute truths(objective truths) would fall apart. For example, imagine a nation where red stop signs didn't absolutely mean "stop" for all people. The fact that murder, rape, child abuse, hate, and theft are all wrong isn't simply due to the fact that it is best for the society for those actions to be wrong. But because we know within our hearts that certain actions are right and certain actions are wrong. Regardless with what a society might say. My Bible helped me with some sources. Haha... And yes, my worldview is from a Christian point of view :) Enjoyed the debate. Thanks :)