The Existence of God Can Be Proven

"You have completely misunderstood my point. It's not like people just made up these rules. We just use them to describe what we observe." I shall rephrase the question. Does the world around us change? Is the physical world immutable? " I never said that it wasn't." Indeed, you haven't directly stated this, but this was my original point, that logic wouldn't be immutable unless we fix it to Someone that is. "Is slavery acceptable? I say yes and appeal to Exodus 21. (Right after Exodus 20 where the ten commandments are listed.)" Well for starters the type of slavery found in Scripture is no where near the type of slavery found in early America. The two simply do no compare. That is a debate for another time however. In truth, this does not in anyway answer my question. You have said absolute morality does not exist. Would the act of pushing someone in front of a train for pleasure be absolutely morally wrong? Again, I ask the question. "Well sure, the debate just might not last very long." And why is that? If these things are not absolutely and objectively wrong (again I don't include gray areas) then why could we not debate the option that they may be right? "You are right in saying that, but the God of Islam still shares omnipotent and omniscient characteristics." Perhaps, but Islamic theology would need to come up with a comprehensive philosophy explaining how their god is the foundation for intelligibility, as opposed to the God of the Bible (Christianity is older so the responsibility is on them), Until then, neither of us are Muslim so I do not see the merit in debating this. "Yes, if you can't trust your own 5 senses then what the hell can you trust? (An interesting thought though) I wasn't just asking if you trust your five senses, I was asking more or less, what justification do you have for trusting them. I gave mine in my first round, however, since you have stated that you do indeed trust your senses, I will again ask, why do you take for granted that they function correctly? Perhaps, for all you know, the world around us could be quite different than what your senses are telling you. You might even live in a dream world. What leads you to believe you do not? Again, just to summarize, my argument is the following: 1. Logic is immutable because it is a reflection of God who is immutable. 2. Same with absolute morality 3. I trust my senses because they are a gift from the God of Truth and Reason To summarize my response: 1. Is the physical world immutable? If not then how can logic be immutable? 2. Is the train scenario absolutely morally wrong? 3. And why do you trust your senses To understand evidence and the debate on God's existence, is to use the presuppositions that we have discussed. I hope in all fairness I have articulated clearly how that God is the only foundation for these presuppositions which make evidence intelligible. My argument was not: Evidence, therefore God. My argument was God therefore evidence. I am of the persuasion that Christ is the Lord, not just of our doctrines, our churches, and us, but of all. And that because Christ is the Lord of all, He is Lord over our reasoning, our truth, and our logic, as such He owns them and they would not be without Him. That really was my argument. I hope my opponent and the readers of this debate will forgive any mistakes I have made in my reasoning, they are on my account, not on Christ's. Although I represent Christianity, I am but a man and subject to error. Thank you to all, I believe this was my last round, so I will finish with a sincere thank you to Fireninja1029 for this debate. -Doulos Christou Iesous