LM Classic round III Ultimate Team War Feverish v Kefka

Gracias senor Feverish for a very fun, albeit interesting and frustrating debate. I understand that new strategies may be a bit abrupt, but I see no reason why they have no validity. Arguments evolve, grounds, claims, warrants change, etc. If it's unacceptable to change argumentative approach about a purely hypothetical battle, then something is wrong. 1) Kefka Still tracking...." "But not turning." - Feverish CK- Really? 2) Anima ---------------- "Pain would immediately destroy whomever it hits since they don't contain a "Immune to instant death" clause." Such a clause does not exist and does not make sense. As I explained in round 2, many kinds of attacks could be classified as "instant death moves" but are not. It is a meaningless term in this context. ------------------- - Eh, I say it's a legitimate claim. My opponent has criticized "just because" statements of mine, but please avoid caiming tu quoque when I say he makes a hypocritical claim to defend my assertion. 3) Kyo Alright, I made a mistake, woops. And yes, this is just a forum discussion, but if anyone takes the time to just watch the purdy pictures of Senor Crimson King killin' people, they shall understand his ability to walk next to billions of particles/waves of luminosity. The forum discussion may contend that it's purely poetic, and this may be true, but I still hold strongly he can out potato sack race Monkey any day. The only argument that can go against "No, a sword is equipment, another entity that is an extension of one character makes them a collective which is disallowed." now, is the awesomeness of "Nuh uh". "The short answer is that even if they didn't, Monkey does. CK's technophobia in this debate is quite intriguing, it is of course in terms of fire-power rather than discipline that several of my characters excel. For an obvious (if somewhat tasteless and horrific) example of technological weaponry pwning Japanese tradition and training see Hiroshima, Nagasaki etc." - Ouch, that was cold. I would argue against this, but I want to avoid upsetting people (Something quite rare for me, when dealing with history). "GO AMERIKUH" people may now breathe. 4) Itachi It's not like I'm saying he can leap 50,000 km in one leap or something, all I'm saying is he's very strong at Genjutsu, illusion techniques, because that's kind of his strong point, considering his heritage. What you may see as fast reactions, may just be a clever trick by Itachi to make you think that you never looked into his eyes, so that you may begin to assume that he will soon be dead, while really you're about to suffer a three day mental F***. I wouldn't even classify Genjutsu with Professor X esque powers, simply because 1. It's japanese dude... -_- 2. Telepathy is the ability to "push" thoughts, feelings, etc into another person's mind, though Genjutsu would be more along the lines of disrupting your current perception, so not so much "Think this", but "You're trippin dude" powers. BATTLE: +0.01 secs Yes, I've changed my argument. About the extending ocean pool cleaner reaching far beyond a sword, please read Mizuchi again. An air (God slaying) attack, hence already heading towards Monkey when he's erecting his pole. I will argue his sway over the element of air is far less that of the Crimson King; judges make your own discerning. +0.05 secs http://naruto.wikia.com... Please read the "Jutsu Master" and "Mangekyo Sharingan" section. What keeps him in the street level area, is the fact that the side effects of him being as powerful as he is, significantly hinder his true ability, and he does deal with local "baddies", but on a more conspiracy, black ops level. If you want he can just burn you to crisp with his Amaterasu, but that wouldn't be a very fun argument. I have a statement. Mr. Pred "flies round at the speed of sound using a host of long range attacks. Guts will be a fat little fly in The Predator's web.". Exactly how does this not exclude him from street level regulations? Just because it's technology? How is it that Itachi can't react with sound-speed approaching senses? I smell hypocrisy among the technologically drunk. +0.3 secs Kefka, not fast? How do you beat Ifrit and Shiva like little dolls, and not have extremely potent casting ability, in regards to power and speed? -------- "all Pro suggested was that million of these rats had explosives attached to them Ji-had style." No, I said: "the millions of rats begin transporting and concealing a number of Predator explosives and booby traps at strategic points around the city." There is every chance that there could be a mine right under Kefka, this was just one example of how Kefka could die, he could just as easily be targeted by laser cannon. ---------- I think this "prep time" has been misused, but I accepted it, decided not to take advantage of it, and also didn't refute it, so I can't really say anything except that I doubt it's right under the killer clown. ------ "Gut's armor- Head exposed? Hahha, I think not." "Again, this is what you get for not providing your own sources. The link I provided that was accepted clearly shows Guts with no helmet." --------- http://img1.liveinternet.ru... Helmet. What possible logical explanation can you give that he wouldn't have his helmet on? Because you posted a source with it off? I are confused. I thought this was about theory and reasoning, not "Line 423 word 23 doesn't use the correct verb, hence your assertion of ability is un-sourced". (I may be coming off callous, but sincerely I'm not, it's just my way of challenging ideas). ------- I don't think my team has really lost, especially because of lack of EXACT sourcing, but it's up to the judges. Ending note: I could have done much more with this, and made the argument better constructed with greater detail and theory; so I apologize for not stepping up to the plate. Feverish, very good job, despite my discrepancies with your style.