Affirmative Action

"I really would like to see a legitimate reason. .. " Yes. They are less qualified, in general. "In a country in which all men are created equal. .. " With all of the history of the world, there is really no way that all cultural groups would be equal. "An African-American usually has to face more hardships. .. " This statement is a generalization. However, an African-American that manages to be equally qualified to a white American would be one of the luckier African-Americans, probably a mulatto, that didn't have to face the same hardships. Why should someone be benefitted because his grandpa worked hard? Or because some guys who look the same as him are out of luck? "As I've stated before. .. " Therefore, all of the minorities that actually are as qualified as white Americans are the ones who didn't go to minority-majority schools. "Yes, they would obviously have more jobs. .. " Well, then, the removal of affirmative action wouldn't result in any minorities losing their jobs. "It really doesn't mean much if you would hate the Latino and the African-American. .. " However, affirmative action still creates this hate. To put an end to this unjustified hate, abolish affirmative action. "It's not unfair to the white. .. " Taking on unnecessary burdens is unfair. "In order for affirmative action to 'equally' rob a majority of opportunity. .. " Today, let's say that 1,000 African-Americans gained jobs that they wouldn't have otherwise because of affirmative action. On that same day, 1,000 white Americans didn't get those jobs that they normally would have received. It's math. "Referring to specific members of majority that are affected by affirmative action. .. " So, if we let African-Americans beat white Americans in any job application whatsoever, we'd see a huge rise in percentage for African-Americans, but because of the high population of the majority, we would see a small rise in percentage for white Americans. That does not make affirmative action justified. The percentages for white Americans hold more weight, because there are more of them. Percentages really can't be used because of this. "Yes, the minority's account would be his or her upbringing, hardships, etc. " Most of the hardships would have been experienced by their ancestors, not by themselves. "The point is that it provides an equal opportunity. .. " Equal? That means that if two people have the same qualifications, they should have an EQUAL chance of getting the job, no matter what skin color one of them has. "Do you actually think there is a good reason 6.1% more African-Americans than whites are just not 'qualified'? " Yep. At least, they aren't as qualified as the others who compete for jobs. "There has obviously been discrimination. .. " They could have a higher unemployment rate because they live in ghettoes more often. "Poverty rates of blacks have dropped. " According to Thomas Sowell's "Economic Facts and Fallacies," the "war on poverty" actually led to a slackening in the dropping rate for poverty rates. "Many more minorities have been admitted to colleges. .. " Many less majorities have been admitted to colleges and have been given jobs. "There is no good reason 6.1% more African-Americans are unemployed. " History. "Women still make only 77 cents for every dollar a man makes. " That's only because of marriage. A single woman makes as much as a single man. "They have not completed their rise in the ranks of society. " Rise over time. It's safer that way. "I don't believe a woman should make exactly the same amount. .. " Yes, there is. When a woman marries, she usually stays around the house more, especially with the kids, so she makes less money. When a man marries, he doesn't have to worry about the house, so he can concentrate more on his job, so he makes more money. However, it really doesn't matter who makes the money, because the wife makes about 80% of the purchases with the husband's paycheck (Sowell 71). "If you study the history of the United States. .. " Affirmative action makes equal men unequal. There's something wrong with that. "Society is far more integrated and accepting. .. " Time alone did not do that. Martin Luther King, Jr. , made the difference. "Racism can obviously heavily disappear over time. .. " In Sri Lanka, racism suddenly appeared in a country that was a model for cooperating cultures. Over time, racism can disappear, and it can appear. "African-Americans are in poverty. .. " So, we should pity the African-Americans in poverty by letting the African-Americans that aren't in poverty, but instead are in the middle-class, be above the middle-class white Americans? "Many more African-Americans are unemployed. .. " If we were to introduce a minority group of ten people in America, and none of them knew a thing about industrialization, business, etc. , should we hire nine of them into a job above deserving Americans just because they're part of such a minority group, with a 100% unemployment rate? No. That would be economic suicide. "Being discriminated against because of your race. .. " Right now, African-Americans are discriminated against by class. A poor African-American and a poor white American are equals. The race is irrelevant. "Please explain to me. .. " If both events end up putting two people in the same situation (competing for a job), then they had the same effect. Nobody today went through the hardships of slavery. "Please explain to me. .. " The point is, there are poor white Americans and there are poor African-Americans. Should a middle-class African-American be put above a middle-class white American because there are more poor African-Americans than poor white Americans? That doesn't even make sense. "Not even being protected by the Constitution. .. " That was hundreds of years ago. Today, we're equal. Why should we benefit people because their ancestors worked hard? "It has showed it benefits minorities greatly while affecting a few of the majority. " That's only because of flawed percentages. Every job given to a minority because of affirmative action never made it to one majority member that never got the job. It's simple math. "And I don't see what there is to back up your assertion that it has hurt men. " If it gives more jobs to women, then it gives fewer jobs to men. "They were given an opportunity. .. " If being equal means being inferior, then they were robbed. "You should assume the black one faced more hardships. .. " However, a black person who is as equally qualified as a white person wouldn't have the same hardships as a black person in a ghetto. "Many minority schools are underfunded. .. " Then fund all public schools in one state equally. That would be better than affirmative action in private schools and workplaces. "This takes an understanding of history. .. " If life puts two people in the same room, trying to get the same job, with the same qualifications, how can one claim to be maltreated? "As I've said. .. " That was far in the past. Nobody today experienced that. ". .. that all men are created equal. " Then let's be equal. Affirmative action isn't equal. It's discriminatory. "While Con takes the side that affirmative action increases resentment, he fails to recognize the value of diversifying an environment. " So. .. If I were to invent my own culture, and walk around saying, "I have a new culture! ", I should get a job, because I'd diversify? "This contention is invalid because bringing more minorities into the workplace will affect many more people than those who just didn't get a job because of affirmative action. " Only one person can get one job. If affirmative action takes a job from a white guy and gives it to a minority, either he lost the job, or the job was never gained. In conclusion, if two people are equally qualified, life probably treated them equally well. Race is irrelevant.