Superman would beat Batman in a fight to the death.

http://en.wikipedia.org... http://dc.wikia.com... http://dc.wikia.com.... http://dc.wikia.com... http://dc.wikia.com... http://www.youtube.com... http://www.youtube.com... here are some fine links at your request. The majority of my argument was in some way sorced from refrences to Grant Morrison & Tony Daniels work ‘Batman RIP’ and the the story arc ‘Last Rites.’ They can both be found in ‘the deluxe edition BATMAN R.I.P.’ book that you buy at any barns and noble. I have a copy here at my own house to refrence and if you need I can spell out what page you need to flip to. I’m going to make another refrence to a single panle in the ‘last rites’ story that is not mentioned in on the dc wiki but I feel is an important easter egg. But before I do that I wish to speak first on the ‘fallibility’ of the comics even in this debate where we are doing our best to source our cases to them. The comics are full of contradictions. For example can you tell me how old is Tim Drake in the comics? http://www.therealbatmanchronologyproject.com... Inconsistencies are plagued throughout comics in more than just a sense of time but other things as well. For example there are only 2 things you could definitively say are in the ‘Bat museum’, the big penny and the t-rex. The rest of the stuff changes with whatever the artist drawing the comic feels like putting in there. In several flashbacks Gorden is portrayed with red hair when he was confirmed to have grey since before then. Also between flashbacks and nonflashbacks artist screw up putting batmans yellow emblem on his chest often, sometimes in flashbacks before he decided to start wherein it and sometimes they don’t put it on after he changed his costume without explanation. Here’s another fun one to consider and it references an INCREDIBLY famous canical comic. When Jason Todd was murdered by the Joker, what country was it in, who was joker the ambassador of? Do you find the answer is ‘Iraq’ or ‘Quarak’? How was damion wayne born? Even Grant Morrison goofed on that one and knew he did so wrote it off as something that changed when superboy prime beat on the walls of reality. Those are simple comic trivia questions, how do you think this plays out when arguing about power comparisons with superman and batman? I’m a little shocked you didn’t try arguing my Zur-en-arrh references was no longer canical along with many other silver aged comics since ‘crisis on infinite earths’. But you see a ton of other ret-cons has happened even since then, like ‘Zero Hour’ and ‘Infinite Crisis’ ‘Final Crisis’ and most recently ‘Flashpoint’ which we comic fans are still reeling from hoping DC hasn’t screwed up the comic characters that matter to us too much this time. I’m still on edge to learn why is Barbra Gordon able to walk again? Is she still Oracle? Is spoiler still batgirl too? Has Superman ever dated lois in this new canon where there not married? Fact is one of the only guides we have that drive a thread of consistency to define the comics is other media as well. So you cant talk about batman comics without blotting out movies and tv shows as well. Joker never had a former identity called ‘Jack’ until the tim burten film was out, then it started appearing in the comics. Viki Vale was a one-shot unimportant date for bruce then became retconed as a major love interest because of the movie. Heres one thing I feel confident in saying whats canon though, supermans "Torquasm Vo" is bound to be retconed. What evidence is their for that? WONDERWOMAN KILLED MAX LORD. Why? Because he was mind controlling superman and it was the only way to free him. If superman could kick out the ‘Torquasm Vo’ surely it should have not come to that for her. This whole event was a very defining one that set off infinite crises. It’s a referenced occasion for future comics that cant be ignored or written off of ret-conned. So supermans ‘Torquasm Vo’ is an impossible skill to say he has in current cannon. http://comics.ign.com... As for Batmans powers from planet X air? Do remember back in the day supermans powers only had him faster than a train and able to leap building in a single bound. Flight was not in his wheelhouse yet. Later his powers would be made out so great he could blow out the sun like a candle but they have stepped back from that since then as its impossibly hard to write for ‘Mary Sue’ characters that are just too powerful. So knowing the gist behind that story was that Batmans powers mirrored supermans at the time, and also given we have in a modern portrayal of the comic in Batman Brave and the Bold, wich is where I got the name of the air from we can conclude it ended up a lot more like that. It the show he had freeze vision, super strength, flight, speed, bulletproof, the works. You might go “Hey if your quoting from RIP as cannon then isn’t Zur-en-arrh batman retconed as a hallucination experienced while forming his backup personality in case of psychological attacks?’ It was, but it also wasn’t if you read on through the ‘Last Rites’ Story arc. This panel isn’t referenced on the link but its an undeniable Easter egg Morrison dropped in there. Alfred and Batman are striating up in the cave talking about robins ‘laughing contest’ with the joker. And in Batman’s had is an unmistaken able Bat-radi! The keep sake that served no other purpose at the end of the planet X story than to remind Batman it actually wasn’t a dream! You find this in the same panel Alfred is holding a big oversized crown. All that delt with M1 so I’ll start with the helmet next M2: the helmet could not be surprised. Okay I will concead that, but it would let batman take it. It’s the logical coarse of action, its admitted that batman and superman have become evil, thus causing chaos. The Helmet of Fate would let Bruce take the Helmet and mix him into the battle to attempt to restore order to the most important advocates of good in the planet if not universe. Would this screw up Bruces mind after that battle? This is not relevant to this debates resolution, however I defend it would not. While supermans ‘mind karate’ is unarguably ret-conned Batmans is not as all the elements of the R.I.P. story are still present currently in spite of ‘Flashpoint’. Quoting directly out of flashpoint from Mokkari as he said in aw ‘what kind of a man can turn even his life memories into a wepon?’ The plot to ‘last rights’ was very similar to when goku fought the green monster that ate energy in the buu saga of dragon ball z. like Goku just fed so much energy into the monster it exploded batman fed so much drive and emotion into the Lump and the clones they tore each other apart and the Lump attacked the scientist in death. A man with a back-up personality and control over the situation even when the Lump is in his head is not going to go mad with the helmet of fate on his head. Bruce is probably the only human alive who theoretically could put it on without consequence. Due to my argument taking more space than I realized first typing it on word I'm going to have to cut it shorter than I thought this round on the other methods. I felt it imporant I spent time on the continuity issue and my stretch of case that planet X is currently cannonized again the way its portrayed in Batman Brave and the bold cartoon. but I will pick up the other methods next round and promise to spend no time revisting platet X or the Helmet of fate arguments until after next round. the armpit thing can be found in the R.I.P. story arc too Batman Issue 681 specifically. he tricks a monk into drinking his own poison and pulls the antidote out his armpit to save him so he can give a message to his 'dark' master.