It is not illogical to suppose the Non existence of a known god

"The definitions of my words are seen in the words themselves. They are defined in action thru example :)" Round 1 Examples: I know of Santa. I know of many things from books. As a matter of fact, without books or any kind of writings, we would have no understanding of a god. It is Not illogical to suppose the non existance of a known god, who is only known because of ancient barbaric, sexist, homophobic, slave supporting, and who to kill and why writings that have some "inspirational gospels" sprinkled in later "There seems to be a cut off, but it is clearly inferred that the first definition stands". That is awesome, its like the inferred assumption that there is a divine creator that is in control of the natural order of things. Thats the type of attitude everybody had back in the day. The alchemist, despiser of the trinity, and fanatical anti-papist, Sir Isaac Newton believed, it was clearly inferred there was a divine creator fine tuning everything :) Putting a god as a constant in any equation is why humans dont learn as much as they would when they have god as a variable. Variables allow for more free thought. The worst thing a child can do to his church, is to truly be objective, and embrace free thought and allow their consciousness to finally stretch its legs. It seems as though there are a lot of questions from Con that maybe he should have asked for clarification before the debate again No Rules means No Rules. Losing a debate because of split hairs or semantics is up to the voters. If the voters believe that No Rules means I am free to express definitions whenever I want, and any rule that says the first to call it is right, cannot be enforced because there are No rules. Con should have asked for clarification of what No Rules meant, as it seems to be a concern to him. The confusion on the adjective or verb difference in meaning of the word "Known", is due to a poorly worded, and grammatically incorrect placement of the verb "known". I agree the chosen topic is a grammatical and utterly unnecessary way to challenge those who believe the reason for gravity and all stars and galaxies, made an appearance around 2,000 yrs ago in the middle east for a human sacrifice and resurrection :) Losing a debate because of the grammatical correctness of the topic or any semantics is like losing a Holdem hand to a one outer on the river, if Not for bad beats, I would have None :) So sure, if thats the way the votes go great I still get the opportunity to throw out more ways that, no matter how you say it, it is Not illogical to suppose Non existence of a known god :) Space, time, matter... everything originated in the Big Bang, an inexplicablly huge explosion that happened 13.7 billion years ago. The Universe was then incredibly hot and dense but only a few moments after, as it started to cool down, the conditions were just right to give rise to the building blocks of matter in particular, the quarks and electrons of which we are all made. A few millionths of a second later, quarks aggregated to produce protons and neutrons, which in turn were bundled into nuclei three minutes later. Then, as the Universe continued to expand and cool, things began to happen more slowly. It took 380,000 years for the electrons to be trapped in orbits around nuclei, forming the first atoms. These were mainly helium and hydrogen, which are still by far the most abundant elements in the Universe. Another 1.6 million years later, gravity began to take control as clouds of gas began to form stars and galaxies. Since then heavier atoms, such as carbon, oxygen and iron, of which we are all made, have been continuously in the hearts of the stars and stirred in with the rest of the Universe each time a star comes to a spectacular end as a supernova. So far so good but there is one small detail left out: cosmological and astrophysical observations have now shown that all of the above accounts for only a tiny 4% of the entire Universe. In a way, it is not so much the visible things, such as planets and galaxies, that define the Universe, but rather the void around them! Most of the Universe is made up of invisible substances known as 'dark matter' (26%) and 'dark energy' (70%). These do not emit electromagnetic radiation, and we detect them only through their gravitational effects. What they are and what role they played in the evolution of the Universe are a mystery, but within this darkness lie intriguing possibilities of undiscovered physics beyond the established Standard Model. Atoms make up everything, every atom is 99.9% empty space. What is empty space? Origins Project at ASU in Tempe, Az Lawrence Krauss. Learning is Fun :) Evidence tells you it is Not illogical to suppose the Non existence of a known god, ignoring evidence is what keeps the lights on in the church :) Each religion simply adjusts to fit the current level of consciousness at that time in history. Meaning, if you notice during the evolution of each religion, the next story in line according to the year it was written, has many similarities to the past stories written before it, however they just tweek the next story or alter it or flat out change it, and call it all simply interpreting. Really? Interpreting? How about ignoring, or avoiding, or Flat out denying and dismissing things to fit and mold a belief that you can "sell" . Not bothering to question, hmmmm, maybe this is all dumb. No, you say, "the stories of the bible have to be true because its the word of god", really? We outgrow and evolve in everything we do as a nation based on one thing, our thoughts. If we believe its ok to buy and sell people to be our slaves, that s the reality we create. If we believe after that atrocity and collossal human error, we have seperate bathrooms and seperate everythihg even drinking fountains for blacks, and this all happened in one nation under god, and those thoughts, those ignorant thoughts, became dispicable action, and inevitibaly became reality. When we thought that it was fashionably cool to wear trutle necks and corderoys, we lived in a reality of turtle necks and corderoys. Whatever we think is real, is. So as we beleive seatbelts are not needed and gas mileage on a car is not important, thats just the way it is in the 60's. When we become more concioussly aware of the negative effects of something, we listen to our thoughts and make changes. Religion with all its noble and honorable attributes, is in fact poisonous at the highest levels. The hierarchy in each religion, the leaders of each faith, contribute to the poisonous effects via greed and selfish pride. Religion still being used by evil to hide behind just as it did when religion first appeared. Lets evolve past this nonsense, and not allow Evil to continue to Mask its arrogance behind a shield or cloak of humility. Lets spare any more victims of this arrogance that are increasingly younger and becoming more in number. Enough is enough. Lets grow up and do what we do best....EVOLVE. The future is going to do it anyways, lets just evolve concioussly past this nonsense, and lets do it today. More and more people are recognizing the sillyness of bibilical scripture, with the more and more science gets the word out on what they now know, and have found :) Delusions 8:24--If a personal god hears you murmur, or chant, or pray, and you believe that created a positive result on a test at school, or a promotion, or a game winning touchdown, or any sporting athlete who thanks a god, what is your lazy god doing paying attention to your petty wishes but NOT teen girls forced in sex trafficing rings that are praying to get away alive? Grow out of the binky and be strong enough to make it on your own without the holy binky there for you to suckle that ultimitley leads to atrophy of your consciousness :)