30 hour work week and higher minimum wage

"I get the impression that Pro is actually debating their own personal agenda rather than a greater U. S. Socio-political agenda. " Nonsense. I'm not the first to bring this up. "Straw man is such a cheap cop out. " Nonsense. You misrepresented my position and that makes it a straw man. If you're not going to debate my ACTUAL position instead of my fake position that you made up, Then you're not being productive, Therefore, I'm justified to point it out and shrugging off a straw man in a debate is poor conduct honestly. "Unwittingly maybe, But Pro's proposition is anti-capitalist" Straw man. I made it very clear in my previous statements that I'm not arguing against capitalism. Putting a restriction on work is something that America does all time and America is a capitalist nation, Don't you agree? Stop telling me what my position is and debate the things I actually say please. " Pro clearly refers to "international examples". Therefore my questioning was not irrelevant" False. You asked me for examples that have analogous statistics to America. I never claimed such a thing, You moved the goal post to make it look like I had a perfect analogous example when I never said such things. "My simple math exemplar was directly based on Pro's proposition" False, You only provided some of the stats. You didn't address the lowered unemployment rate, The rise in consumerism, Or the rise in productivity from the increased consumerism which leads to more lowering of the unemployment rate. You only did math on two variables and then vacuously implied that your math told the whole stay. Just another straw man. "Will this work? " I've already showed sound logic that it will, Unless you can present evidence to the contrary, "The whole point of my overtime comment was to suggest that Pro's approach to overtime is somewhat contrary to the actual needs and purposes of overtime. I would also suggest that the skill of a workforce is of paramount importance in all work related situations. Suggesting otherwise is somewhat ridiculous. " In my system, Overtime would barely even be an issue. The skill of a workforce only matters for higher paying jobs. When it comes to minimum wage work, Livable wages are actually the key issue, Since most minimum wage jobs use unskilled workers. I use the term unskilled loosely here because anyone who thinks that entry level employees are all unskilled in the absolute sense are sadly mistaken. "Clearly in Round2. 30hours became 40 hours for some. This is undoubtedly backtracking and therefore contradictory. Pro implies that despite their initial objections to the contrary, They are nonetheless content with a situation where certain sectors of society have a greater work burden and a consequent lower quality of life. " Another strawman. I never said that my goal was to prevent people from working passed 30 hours. My goal is to make it so that people aren't FORCED to work passed 30 hours. Big difference. Once again, Please stop telling me what my position is and argue my actual points please. "Pro's angst at the middle class is once again indicative of something greater than a concern for the quality of life for all" Strawman and an ad hominem attack. You keep trying to tell me what my position is. I'm assuming you're not a mind reader, So why do you think you get to tell me why I'm debating this and what I'm secretly thinking? Quality of life is my chief concern and you don't get to tell me that it's not. Quite frankly, I think you conduct is a little lacking. "Therefore Pro's plan should be open to all scrutiny" Oh it is. I simply can't defend a straw man because it's not actually my position. I debate other people who don't strawman me and I have no problem explaining my position to them. But when I have to sit here and correct all of your mischaracterizations without you brining up the real issue, There's really nothing I can do at that point. "Though in most wealthy societies all are given equal access to educational opportunities. " This is categorically false, Since wealthy people get access to superior private schools. But before we jump down that rabbit hole, Could you explain how this is relevant to the argument? I'm trying to see it. If this is getting into your comment about skilled workers, Then I already debunked that. "Pro's plan sounds perfect in theory" You either just conceded the debate, Or you don't know what theory means. If a plan is perfect in theory, Then it's perfect. I think you meant to say "perfect on paper". I'll grant you that because I don't straw man people. I'll restate my position more clearly so con can attempt to actually understand it this time. 30 hours is the limit of work before overtime. Overtime cannot be forced. Raising in minimum wage directly compensates for loss of hours. Extra hours go to the unemployment rate. Any left over hours go to those who are willing to work overtime, Mostly in the manufacturing industry. More people have money, Causing a rise in consumerism. People have more free time, Causing a rise in consumerism. The rise in consumerism creates a higher demand for productivity. The demand is met by hiring more people. Productivity rises further while the unemployment rate falls further. Healthy economy achieved. THAT is my position. If you claim anything that is not written by me, Then you're strawmanning again and I will call you out on it until you learn you lesson. If you want to have a productive debate. Then BE productive please.