God Is Unnecessary As A Basis For Morality And Justice

To your argument that the Bible says nothing. Here's a moral principle in the Bible that covers a multitude of actions, 1 Corinthians 6:12- All things are lawful for me," but not all things are helpful. Basically there are many things we have the right to do. You can be a jerk but it isn't helpful. We need to temper what we do in order to not be a burden to others around us. This would include being noisy in a library. The principle of, "don't be a jerk," has not evolved. People have just found new ways to be jerks and so we need to apply this singular unchanging concept to the annoying ways we use new and ever developing technology. As for your second point. I don't necessarily agree with you. My point was that people dismiss and change their sense of morality when it is convenient for them. The morality of people changes; sometimes for good and other times for worse. That's why it is terrible. And as I said has resulted in the suffering and death of hundreds of millions of people throughout history. Currently in Korea the right to conscientiously object to military service, a right well established in many countries and even in Korea itself, is being trampled upon and many people must suffer time in prison and a criminal record. The Russian government currently violates, harasses and beats people for various reasons most would find morally wrong, but their sense of morality there seems okay with it. This is the problem of morality not based on God. There is no standard. This is not simply trial and error its just straight up getting it wrong. Bribing of public officials is another thing that many would think is bad and yet the US has provisions for it in the law. (slow clap) good job America. The Bible has had principles to protect people from suffering all of these things, if you would study it. And let me tell you its an easier read than all the US laws. Now for my second argument. Its more from a secular standpoint. The possibility that a higher power exists has and always should be recognized and the need for authorization by higher authority has been and will always be needed in society. Throughout history rulers of nations and societies have always sought validation by God, or gods in one way or another what ever that god may be. Religion has been a huge part of the development of many if not all civilizations; it is a fundamental part of our history. God has been an integral part of shaping who we are today whether you like it or not. Having the approval of history to support your legitimacy is still important. That's why the saying of George Orwell, "He who controls the past controls the future," makes sense to so many. Religion, God, is an undeniable part of our past. And if you are going to make any headway into the future especially if it pertains to controlling the moral identity of your people you are going to need to heed God. Why does the money in the US say, "In God we trust?" Why do the leaders the president of the US take his oath on a Bible and conclude with, "so help me god?" It's optional. They aren't idiots, they know the significance of the validation by God whether they believe in him or not. It's unwise to turn your back on history It doesn't matter if you believe in God or not, or if you are religious. Or if god even really exists. You can go ahead and think that morality is this human construct that keeps needing to change. The people who really know whats going on will just smile at you and keep on seeking validation from a higher power. If there is a God they sure aren't purposely going to try to piss him off, or the people that believe. That's smart. God will always need to be a basis for morality and judgement because it's our history; you can't change this part of history. Too many people respect their religious history for leaders and lawmakers to just ignore god. And those leaders know that if there really is a higher authority like so many believe, having his backing is a safe bet, if at least in appearance. Whether you like it or not, God has been, is, and always will be the end all to validation of anything this includes principles of morality and justice. Just so you know, I will be gone for three days and quite busy so it might be difficult for me to respond. hence why I also put off responding this time till the last possible moment. If you could wait a day or so before responding it would allow me to have time to respond better. Thanks.