Reformed Theology (Calvinism)

"But we see that after Paul says that Timothy should pray for “all” people we see in verse 2 that Paul specifies, Limits, Clarifies, Narrows his use of the word 'all, '"There is no indication of this in the scripture. It says "for all men" in verse 1 and simply chooses an example in verse 2. There is no indication that he was narrowing what "all" meant. You kind of argued against yourself in that first paragraph. Verse 6 says "who gave himself a ransom for all, To be testified in due time. " He gave himself for everyone, not just some. "Proverbs 16:4 The LORD has made everything for its purpose, Even the wicked for the day of trouble. "This does not support your position. In the Calvinist view, People will be led to Christ no matter what, So they should be able to do it without the wicked. You're saying that only certain people were "chosen" to accept Jesus, But that also means that God created certain people who he wouldn't allow to go to heaven no matter what because he won't allow them to choose Jesus, Meaning that he sentences them to hell simply because he created them. You also used Romans 9. This, In my opinion, Also does not support your position. If God created people to sin without any choice in the matter, Then he is ultimately responsible for all sin. The only exception would be Christians, Who would be the only ones who could CHOOSE to sin, So all sin falls on Christians and God. However, It is those that don't have a choice in the matter who get eternal torture? However, This is directly contrasted in Romans 120: "For his invisible attributes, Namely, His eternal power and divine nature, Have been clearly perceived, Ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse. " They can only be without excuse if they have a CHOICE. The passage of Romans 9 seems to be talking about God's plan for human history. In fact, Genesis 33 suggests that Esau ended right with God, So the example earlier is not consistent with your view. "God doesn't make us believe. In my view, God regenerates (or makes born again) a person, And then they want to believe in Him, Because they have a new nature. They can resist, But ultimately they will come to Christ (John 6:36-37). "Again, You're saying that God condemns certain people to a life of sin that they have no choice in. So by that logic, God is a moral monster who is responsible for the sins of everyone he send to hell for no fault of theirs. That verse simply means that Jesus will not reject anybody who comes to him, And Albert Barnes, A Calvinist, Admitted this: “This expression does not refer to the doctrine of perseverance of the saints, But to the fact that Jesus will not reject or refuse any sinner who comes to him” (pp. 246-247). "Barnes, Albert (1954), “Luke — John, ” Notes on the New Testament (Grand Rapids: Baker). "Let's get something straight here. The world all in 1 Peter has an antecedent. He said God is patient towards you, So all here means elect, Or future believers. "First of all, I was referring to 2 Peter 3, Not 1 Peter. Second, Nowhere in 2 Peter 3 does it mention an antecedent, And you did not provide where you got that from. My point still stands. "God has created people to go to hell simply because he can, But that completely goes against the God that the Bible preaches. Explained above. This is not a biblical idea, So I refute the former part of this sentence. "You're right, It isn't biblical, And that is exactly why Calvinism is wrong. If someone isn't given the opportunity to accept Jesus, That means that they are forced to continue in a life of sin beyond their own free will. "The funny thing is, In the Greek text there is no such thing as “whosoever will. ” The Greek phrase πQ18;ς P01; πιστεa3;ων (pas ha pusteuon) literally translates “all the believing” or “everyone believing. ” Bible-believing Christians believe that those who have repented toward God and have put their faith in Christ are saved. All the believing will definitely not perish, But those who do not believe are already condemned (verse 18)! "The greek translation does not help you here, Because if we substitute it back in, It reads like this: For God so loved the world, That everyone believing in him should not perish, But have everlasting life. See? It reads the exact same way, So that translation does not help your point. It's funny that you reference John 3:18, Because it completely goes against your point. If Jesus only died for certain people, That means some people cannot be held accountable for rejecting him because they never got the choice. However, Verse 18 says "he that believeth not is condemned already, Because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. " Here, They are being held accountable for NOT believing in Jesus, But that makes no sense in the Calvinist view because Jesus never died for them in the first place and therefore they never had the opportunity to make such a decision. "This is easily resolved. God's means of salvation is by people hearing the gospel and believing in it, So there is a point in missionaries. Otherwise, The elect wouldn't hear the gospel! Also, We don't know who the unsaved elect are. "This is incorrect. Again, In Romans 1:20, The Bible says "For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities – his eternal power and divine nature – have been clearly seen, Being understood from what has been made, So that men are without excuse. " This clearly shows that word of mouth is not necessary for God to spread his Word. In Calvinism, You say that the elect will be irresistably attracted to God and will eventually go to him, So this should be true without regard to any missionaries. "There seems to be a misconception here. People consciously make the choice to reject God (Romans 1). The debate here is about whether and who will come. They can't come because of their depraved nature, And this affects their choices. God says whosoever will, Come. He's inviting the people who want to come, To do so! People will only be able to if their spirit is made new, And they are born again. "You say they make the choice to reject God, But then you say that only those that God invites can become a Christian, And they do so irresistibly. If that's true, Then they cannot be responsible for that choice because by what YOU said, They do not have the option to choose Jesus in the first place. "Remember that God saving us at all isn't fair, Because we deserve condemnation! So choosing to save us at all is good enough! "Romans 6:23: "For the wages of sin is death, But the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. " We only deserve condemnation because of our flawed nature and because of the sin we have done. However, God created us that way! The only thing that justifies this is that he gives everyone an 'escape route' per se in the form of Jesus. However, If he doesn't allow some people to accept Jesus, How can you say that they deserve it? They are simply doing what their nature tells them to do, And they literally have no choice in the matter. All sin is a choice, So that is contradictory. "Since God has set aside the Levitical system of animal sacrifices (v. 9), Those who abandon their confession of trust in Christ have nowhere to turn for forgiveness. Christ says in John that nothing can take away the sheep He has under His wing, Including themselves! "Where does it say that "nothing" includes onself? It says nothing can TAKE us away, But how can we "take" ourselves away? That verb obviously does not include oneself. If we walk away from God, That is not "taking, " because "taking" implies a lack of agreement in the matter. Yes, God set aside animal sacrifices, But Jesus himself is described as the ultimate sacrifice, And he is certianly not an animal. "If we could lose our salvation, You realize that salvation would be works based, Right? "This is not even remotely true. In this case, God is saying that if someone knows of Jesus and God and they continue to sin anyway that they're not deserving of Jesus. That is simply them rejecting Jesus in the form of continuing to sin. "You seem to be ignoring the word predestined, Which was part of my original argument. "I did not, I had a whole paragraph about it. Here it is again:"The Calvinist contends that certain individuals were chosen before the world began and predestined to become believers, But that is simply not what the text says. Paul. . . never says that certain individuals were predestined to believe in Christ. Paul is speaking of what “the faithful in Christ” (vs. 1) have been predestined to become, Not about God preselecting certain individuals before the foundation of the world to be irresistibly transformed into believers. "'Again, The source for this is in my profile comments. "The passage I gave earlier says, "all that the Father gives me, WILL come to me. You are basically affirming universalism then if God gives everyone to Jesus! "I explained this above. "In looking at the context, You disregard what the verse actually says. It is talking about belief, And how the Gentiles who were appointed to eternal life believed! The actual verse's content seemed to be missing from your rebuttal"My point was that this is not proof of an "elect. " God was showing that he could give his grace to more than just Jews because the Jews at the time, Even though they had been in God's presence for a while, Did not accept, While the Gentiles who hadn't dwelled in God for such a long time did. "A question: Why are people in hell paying for their sins? I thought Jesus paid for them? Isn't that double jeopardy? "I don't mean to offend you, But this is just ignorant. Jesus did die and pay for our sins, But we have to accept that in order to get into heaven. God will not allow sinners into his presence, And so a conscious choice must be made.