The Quaran is not God's Word

but since i feel fear in the words of Pro, and and since I'm going to crush all of his reasoning in this round, i don't really care about the vote, because after all, most of the users here are Christians or atheists that i might have beaten in arguments, so it really doesn't matter if he gets the vote. about "Con actually compares Japan being called the country of the rising sun to Zul-Qarnain finding the sun SET IN A MUDDY POOL. " i invite you all to read the debate about this in round 2 and 3. the japan example was used by me for the first part of the verse, and for the second part of it, i simply said that since Quran says he found it going down . .. and Quran is telling his story, it is neither wrong nor shows any fault in Quran. as for the first part, japan is country of rising sun, because the is no land to the east of it in Asia (meaning if you draw two parallel lines from most northern and eastern part of japan, parallel to the equator you will find no more lands in between those lines in Asia) . and in the direction that Zul-Qarnain was traveling, he reached a place which was the most western. he reached a seashore, no further land was visible (hence japan example), the sun set, he found the sun going into the sea . .. neither is wrong, nor illogical. about Moses being the first Muslim and Muhammad being the First Muslim. pro says: "The Quran says Moses was the first Muslim, the Abraham was the first Muslim, that Muhammad was the first Muslim. All these claims can't be true. " also says "Con also said "first" means the most faithful. He couldn't show where the Quran defines "first" in that way". according to Quran: "Human beings, We created you all from a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes so that you may know one another. Verily the noblest of you in the sight of Allah is the most God-fearing of you. Surely Allah is All-Knowing, All-Aware. " so, the measure of greatness/nobleness in Quran is fearing God which is the true definition of faith. PROVED Quran is enough to explain itself. also, Muhammad was born AFTER Moses, so if Moses called himself the first Muslim and Muhammad calling himself First Muslim, it doesn't prove any contradiction in Quran. because Muhammad came after Moses and became the greatest person who ever lived. and the claim about prophets being First Muslims among their people is not dropped, otherwise they wouldn't be picked as prophets for their people. God knew that they would have the most faith, so he picked them among their people. also these things have to be studied in their context. example: "and we surely expect that Our Lord will forgive us our sins for we are the first ones to believe. " which is the words of the group of wizards who believed in Moses first. if it's you, you'll want to say, these are neither first to Moses in time nor in greatness of faith, how can they be first ones to believe? no? which would be ridiculous about Aisha's age pro again tries to use Aisha age as a poor excuse to prove his point. i proved to him from Sunni's sources that he loves so much, that Aisha's age was around 17-18 when she married Muhammad. and also gave him a very famous debate between a Shia and a group of Sunni clerics to prove the weakness of Sunni sources. also the scientific research that Shia Muslims have about all the historians and those who recite hadith (science of Rejal). also about Moavyeh who killed grandson of Muhammad and his son yazid killing another grandson of Muhammad and his effort to uproot Islam (meaning none of the people who worked for him (like abu huraira who has mentioned 9 as the age of Aisha), can be trusted as a true reciter of hadith). all ignored and placed into the void. shows that pro only hears what he wants to hear and is just a poor missionary who works for money. about our hadith contradicting each other this debate is not even about hadith, but i never claimed that hadith might not contradict. I actually stated that there were a lot of people who received great amounts of money to make hadith. but, Hadith contradicting, neither shows Quran contradicts itself, nor shows that true words of Prophet and our Infallible Imams contradict themselves. it just shows that there were a lot of people who fabricated Hadith, and all of those are ignored using science of rejal. and as for more info, i invite you to read the sources i provided in previous rounds. about an old man marrying a girl in Islam, it's woman who has the final say in marriage, and no woman can be forced into marriage. you make it sound like Aisha was forced into marriage, which isn't the case. the fact is that prophet Muhammad actually didn't propose to Aisha, but Aisha and her father did the proposal and asked prophet Muhammad to marry her. and since prophet Muhammad always told his followers to make marriage easy, if he were to reject that man's proposal, his word and his actions would contradict each other, and a man of God can not be like that. (compare this with what you read in the bible about David falling in love with a married woman and Abraham basically whoring his wife to Pharaoh . .. ) about battle between Persian and Roman empires: actually according to Islamic historians, that verse was revealed around 620 A. D. (pro desperately lying to prove his point) . https://en.wikipedia.org... and Heraclius' campaigns in Persian lands from 622 to 626 forced the Persians onto the defensive, allowing his forces to regain momentum. Allied with the Avars and Slavs, the Persians made a final attempt to take Constantinople in 626, but were defeated there. In 627 Heraclius invaded the heartland of the Persians and forced them to sue for peace. also The Byzantines and the Persians actually fought at the Dead Sea basin, which is situated at the intersection point of the lands belonging to Syria, Palestine, and Jordan. At 399 meters below sea level, the Dead Sea is the "lowest" place on Earth's surface. so, the time matches, and the place of defeat matches perfectly (again, pro not being able to prove his point) . http://www.miraclesofthequran.com... about "Quran's claim that it was another man who died in his place. Con is using Quranic verses as proof of the Quran. " again, the way that was presented by me in the second round to prove God according to Quran, was completely ignored. using that steps, one could easily find that Jesus was not son of God, and God can not be separated. and you believing Jesus actually died, doesn't contradict Quran, because Quran clearly says "but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:-" hence people thought he died, as you do. so NO CONTRADICTIONS here. about Pro's claim about most of the people accepting something makes it true. well it doesn't. most of the Indians think of cow as some sort of divine being. Japanese worship idols. Chinese eat dog meat. most of the people in the world don't believe in god. most of the Christians have premarriage sexual activities . .. does this make those things OK? again, failed to prove your point. and i again invite everyone to read this book, it's perfect: . https://www.al-islam.org... clerics know way more that normal people, so their debate is way more referable than two Sunni and Shia debating. about speed of light just read these two and decide. . http://www.speed-light.info... . http://www.speed-light.info... about Shakespeare writing some beautiful poetry and book of the dead. first of all, these two alone prove that Bible is not the unchanged word of God (you see guys, i don't say that bible is not the word of God, i say it's not the unchanged word of God, because according to Quran that Pro couldn't prove has changed, God sent Jesus a book) but since we're talking about Quran, i can say that word of God, has to be 1- beautiful 2- make sense and be logical 3- guide people to the right path 4- survive thought the ages and stay unchanged. 5. be harmonious with other books of God (some parts of the bible that remains as revealed, is harmonious with Quran, hence pro uses it to say Muhammad stole stuff from Bible) 6. be enough to explain it self 7. provide a perfect basis for morality, faith, good deeds 8. be above all other books of humans in guidance and perfection 9. not having any contradictions . .. . about Con argues that the Quran has remained unchanged, so how does that prove its God's word? so you accept that Quran is unchanged? and as for it being copied from Bible, i tell him that, where does in bible says that water occupies 71 percent of earth and water and iron coming to earth from sky (comets) and honey bees being all female, and skin nerves and beings who resembled humans before Adam and human embryo and planetary orbits and sex of baby . .. . no where. where does in bible says that Jesus was a just a human being? where does it bible you can find that god doesn't have parts and there is no father/son/holy spirit trinity? no where. so the thing mentioned about Muhammad stealing from bible, is pure B. S. for further info, just take a look at this debate: . http://www.debate.org... so in general 1- Quran is unchanged. 2- doesn't contradict itself. 3- has numerous miraculous information in it that a person 1400 years ago could never know. 4- has revelations in it about Future that matches perfectly . 5- guides people to the right path. 6- accepts all prophets and good people therefor Pro couldn't prove any of his claims and we can say that QURAN IS THE WORD OF GOD