Baptism is the Point at which a believer becomes a Christian,

It has been an honor to discuss this very important topic with you. It is so very important that we get this right. Souls hang in the balance as to what they accept as what one must do to become a Christian. We know that God warned us through the pen of Paul, and Luke, and Matthew, and John, over and over and over again that false teachers would come into the Church and outside teaching as doctrine the commandments of men, leading many to hell with them. Jesus Himself said, let the Blind lead the Blind and they both fall into the ditch together. The Blind that are leading are people who profess to be from God and yet are ignorant of his word, and the people who follow the blind are ignorant themselves . I affirm that a person who believes that Jesus is the Christ, must be baptized into Christ in order to be saved. The baptism I am talking about is (one of water, Total immersion) Thereby no matter how much a person has emotions for God or Jesus, belief alone will not saved a person from their sins. I have Proved beyond a shadow of an doubt that to be true. Consider the evidence I have provided. John 3:16 16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. My opponent agreed that saving belief was an action as he said: "I concur were supposed to have a belief of action" He went on to say: "2. Does action lead to salvation or is action the fruit of salvation John 15:4NKJV. But I set out in my opening argument to prove that saving belief was an action and I proved that Point. In answering the second question above, If saving belief is an action, then he answered his own question, actions leads to salvation! !! If this is not true, then Belief of could not happen at any point, not before or after salvation. Belief would simple be a Noun. But the facts are far different then that. I produced the evidence that the Greek word was pisteu; is parse out this is what we find: Tense: Present, Voice: Active, Mood: Participle. The present tense represents a simple statement of fact or reality viewed as occurring in actual time The active voice represents the subject as the doer or performer of the action. The Participle Mood represents "-ing and can be used either like a verb or a noun, as in English, and thus is often termed a "verbal noun. " Therefore John 3:16 should read, "For God so Loved the world that he gave his only begotten son, that whosoever believing in him should not perish, but have ever lasting life. " I have a verse That calls belief a work but according to the rules I cannot bring up any new evidence at this point. This agrees with other words of Jesus that I pointed out. Matt 7:21-23, 21 "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name? ' 23 And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness! " I had asked my opponent in round 2,"Would you agree that a saving belief is an obedient belief? " He said: "Of course saving belief leads naturally to obedience. But be aware you must have saving belief in Christ 1st if you didn't have saving belief in Christ you wouldn't bother to obey anything he said belief precedes actions. " My response in this closing phase: Here he seems confused and a fence straddle, For he admits that saving belief is one of action, but not before salvation. HMMM, John Calvin is the author of this line of thinking. One rule of biblical hermeneutics is; the bible does not contradict itself, and a second rule is we must take all verses that pertain to a subject and draw our conclusion from them. For example, His pet verse is Romans 10:9-10, "At what point does belief save? " I ask him, He responded in round 2, "At the point of confession Romans 10:9-10. " Preacher Andy does not understand his pet verse, for this is not saying all you have to do is believe and confess period. Jesus said himself in Luke 13:3, except you repent you will all like wise perish. " Where is that in the above passage? The only way you can harmonize this passage with the other is to keep it in context, This verse is not saying belief only? And it is not saying one must not repent of their sins before they are saved. It is not saying that is a verbal confession. But what it is saying is, the biggest barrier the Jews had was having a zeal for God but not according to knowledge, vs 2, and that they had to realize that the Law had ended and that righteousness is to everyone who believe "believing" same word as that of John 3:16, and we already agreed that this was an action word. So by the time we get to vs 9-10 it is talking about action of belief and confession. What action of Belief and confession must we do? Well the answer is given in a question I perposed to Preacher Andy. Let me set up the question, I had asked him if the Jews in were saved in Acts 2:37, and he said NO, and I ask him if they were saved in verse 47 and he said Yes, so then I ask him what did they do between verses 37 and 47, and he said confess. I must agree, in verse 38 it tell us what that confession was. Vs. 38 "Then Peter said to them, Repent and let every one of you be baptized upon, (by the authority of) the name of Jesus Christ, into the forgiveness of sins, and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. " That is the great confession that Paul is talking about in Rom 10:9-10. Notice Peter in Acts 2 quotes from Joel, and in verse 21, "and it shall come to pass that all who call on the name of the Lord Shall be saved. " Now why did Peter not say Call on the name of the Lord and you will be saved? Because when a believer who has repented of his sins and is baptized is calling on the name of the Lord. Don't believe me, read Acts 22:16, "and now why are you waiting arise and be baptized, and wash away your sins, Calling on the name of the Lord. " Paul's own words teach that baptism is calling on the name of the Lord. Therefore I submit to you, Rom 10:9-10 is confirming one must be baptized in order to be saved, for baptism into Christ is the great confession, calling on the name of the Lord. This make sense when you consider what Paul had previously written in the same letter, Rom 6:7, "For he who died is freed from sin", and before that he said Rom 6:3-4, "Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death? 4 Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. Keeping verse 7 of this chapter in context, Paul is saying that those Christian died when they were baptized and that is in keep with Acts 2:38 and Acts 22:16, the reason sins are forgiven is were died to self sin and the world with Christ and it was in his death is where shed his blood. As Proof text I quoted John 19:33-34. This is the great confession, this is believing that saves, because I obeyed him in faith, not doubting but know that he has the authority and ability to do so. I started out by saying I must prove these 3 Objectives: 1. belief alone does not save. I have prove this to the point that my opponent agrees with me. 2. the actions that saves a person from their sins must involve baptism. I have given numerous scriptures that have proven this point, over and over again. 3. I must also prove that anything less than baptism into Christ insures that a person is not saved. Beyond a shadow of a doubt after proving one and two, I have proven this also. I have done all of this and again thanks