never leaving hell after judgement

Thank you for arguing with the Christian perspective as that is what I intended this debate for. To bring attention to the arguments being given between Christians on this issue. However, when you say ‘Biblical side' if you mean a side purely from the bible, then no. I am a Methodist and try to follow the Methodist style of taking from 4 things for our conclusions. Reason, Tradition, Scripture, and Experience. I have no idea what scripture my opponent references when he speaks of Purgatory, even in the sense he describes, and request specification. I do know of where he is getting New Jerusalem and the pit of burning sulfur commonly referred to as the Lake of Fire. Both of which are located in Revelation. If any of you have ever read Revelation all the way through it will not take long to realize that its one big vision. And they are many aspects to this vision that make it clear it's not a literal representation of the future, such as women with rainbow hair. Next off, if you're going to bring up places like these as other locations you can be mentioned in the bible, then you will have also bring attention to Abrahams Bussem and the many names translated as Hell that are not used in the same context except for Sheol and Hades. Besides Sheol and Hades these include Geheena (which is this place http://www.flickr.com... ) Tarterous, the pit, and the abyss, and the outer darkness. Any time you read Jesus saying the word Hell you will find it was translated from the term Gehenna, a real place the people of his time new of as a garbage dump that smelled awfull due to the brimstone that was in that valley. Sheol or Hades are terms for all encompassing places for the Good and the Evil that very little is truly known about. Tarterous is used only once and the passage only indicated that demons would go there. Abyss and grave are general references to death all together it would seem from their use. Abrahams Bussem and Outer darkness are only used in Jesus parables, which is much the same as representative analogy. Strait forward teaching on where you go when you die simply isn't in scripture. We really largely on Tradition to establish any thought about this matter. Though I did say I don't solely rely on Scripture it is still important and the only one presented by my opponent is the passage from revelation. You mention Satan being in there for 1000 years show's there is time. You cannot explicitly say this is conclusive of any particular passage of time as that is even more hotly debated by biblical scholars. http://en.wikipedia.org... This link shows the 4 prevailing theories, not all of which include literal interpretations of time. Amillinialism goes fine with no time in hell. And so long as both can be interpreted out of scripture that leaves us to choose based on what makes the most sense in its consistency with the rest of Christianity. You make mention of the hell being thrown into the lake of fire, where the eternal torment awaits. I'm fine with referring to the hell in the resolution as a reference to this Lake of Fire as the discussion deals with after judgment. An Annihilationist would argue the Lake is final oblivion but as the passage you linked to reads this is further evidence against that as (metaphoric or not) Satan is there forever onward. He does not cease to be once thrown in. But do take not the only eternal reference is to Satan, when it makes mention in verse 15 of everyone else being judged who is sent there it makes no mention of their eternal duration there. It simply say's they are sent there. Now if I could draw your attention to the term torment used in the passage, scholars have noted that the Greek word kolasin, rendered punishment, should be rendered chastisement, as reformation is implied in its meaning. http://www.tentmaker.org... Discipline is not something you do for the sake of discipline, it is for a constructive end, but given eternal stay nothing constructive can occur. Also the use of the Greek term for eternity in the new testament is explored by the last source I gave as not meaning infinite unless applied to God, and infinite being. The author states: "'Duration determined by the subject to which it is applied.' Thus it only expresses the idea of endlessness when connected with what is endless, as God. The word great is an illustrative word. Great applied to a tree, or mountain, or man, denotes different degrees, all finite, but when referring to God, it has the sense of infinite. Infinity does not reside in the word great but it has that meaning when applied to God. It does not impart it to God, it derives it from him. So of aiï¿½nion; applied to Jonah's residence in the fish, it means seventy hours; to the priesthood of Aaron, it signifies several centuries; to the mountains, thousands of years; to the punishments of a merciful God, as long as is necessary to vindicate his law and reform his children; to God himself, eternity. What great is to size, aiï¿½nios is to duration. Human beings live from a few hours to a century; nations from a century to thousands of years; and worlds, for aught we know, from a few to many millions of years, and God is eternal. So that when we see the word applied to a human life it denotes somewhere from a few days to a hundred years; when it is applied to a nation, it denotes anywhere from a century to ten thousand years, more or less, and when to God it means endless. In other words it practically denotes indefinite duration" So the points I leave you with are 1) Visions should not be taken literally 2) Most of our ideas of the after life are founded in Tradition, as Scripture does not let us know the exact nature of any of it, only ruff ideas from analogies. 3) The greek terms aiï¿½nion and kolasin are not even translated correctly. 4) Applying Reasoning after understanding kolasin as discipline and not torment its only logical to conclude the lake of fires flames has a constructive purpose for you personally if you're in there, as any parent knows discipline is for training your kid to behave better.