A Christian can lose their salvation 1

Defining "Christian" is part of the rules, which is what round one was for, but ill willingly give you the conduct point of you want it. In this debate I will do two things: Refute every argument my opponent could possible think of; and provide evidence that supports my position. Kai Neilson, a philosopher, said, "To show that an argument is invalid or unsound is not to show that the conclusion of the argument is false." What Kai Neilson is saying is, even if you can show my arguments are wrong you still need to have arguments that I can not refute. In this debate I will do exactly what Kai Neilson says you need to do in order to prove the conclusion of your arguments are false. I will refute all your arguments and provide evidence for mine. Exodus 32:33 - It is very important that while looking at specific verses we be sure to keep them in context. While, if anyone reads just this verse, they may think you have a point. However, reading this verse in context we see what is actually going on. This is right after Israel made the golden calf and God is saying He will "spare the nation as a whole, but he definitely reserved the right to judge individual sinners." When looking at this verse in context we see that it was not written about believers losing salvation. Luke 8:13 - There could be two problems with this example. People can believe God and believe the Word of God, without believing in God. So I am not convinced that these people were ever Christians. My second argument is that people can fall away from God without losing salvation. Christians relationship with God can sometimes be better than other times. When it is not as good, someone would say they have fallen away from God for a bit, but certainly that does not conclude they lose salvation. Matthew 10:33 - This does not say anything about someone who is already a Christian. If someone disowns God, then they do not accept Jesus as their Savior meaning they are not a Christian. This verse is completely irrelevant. Ezekiel 33:13 - This verse is just saying someone can do righteous things, "but then they trust in their righteousness and do evil, none of the righteous things that person has done will be remembered; they will die for the evil they have done." People can only be saved by putting trust in Jesus as Savior, not by putting trust in their righteousness. People who put their trust in their righteousness and not Jesus are not Christians to begin with. Ezekiel 33:18 - I believe a righteous person, a Christian in this case, can not turn to evil. If we look at what Paul says in Romans 6:1-2 "What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? By no means! We died to sin; how can we live in it any longer?" He's saying if we are Christian should we keep on sinning to get more grace? He says of course not. He's saying I couldn't even do that, its impossible for me, "how can we live in it any longer?" 1 Timothy 4:1 - Again in this verse, those who abandon the faith did not have "real" faith in the first place. It is possible for people to say they have faith, convince everyone else they have faith, even convince them self they have faith, without having that real faith. Romans 11:22 - This verse actual supports my position. "Paul is stressing continue in his kindness; not in the sense of a salvation by works, but continuing in God's grace and goodness to us - a relationship of continual abiding." This verse is talking about God's grace and kindness. If someone does not accept God's grace then they are not a Christian and will be "cut off." Now I will provide sufficient evidence that a Christian cannot lose their salvation. Romans 5:1 - "Therefore, since we have been justified through faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ" Here, the word justify means to declare righteous. Anyone who puts faith in Jesus as Savior and Lord is declared righteous by God. "For a Christian to lose salvation God would have to go back on his word and 'un-declare' what He had previously declared" John 3:16 - "For God so loved the world that He gave his one and only Son that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." Once someone becomes a Christian, they are promised eternal life, so if someone could lose their salvation God would be breaking his promise. Romans 8:30 - "And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified." "As we learned in Romans 5:1, justification is declared at the moment of faith. According to Romans 8:30, glorification is guaranteed for all those whom God justifies. Glorification refers to a Christian receiving a perfect resurrection body in heaven. If a Christian can lose salvation then Romans 8:30 is in error, because God could not guarantee glorification for all those whom He predestines, calls, and justifies." 2 Cor. 5:17 - "Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new." How can anyone become an old creation? If you go and read on it even says that the old things have passed away. So even if someone who is a Christian wanted to go back to their old ways they couldn't. Yes they can go back and do things that are wrong but they can never turn back on God. Like Paul says in Romans 6 - It would be impossible for him to go back to his old ways and take advantage of God's grace. "Nothing can separate a Christian from God's love (Romans 8:38-39). Nothing can remove a Christian from God's hand (John 10:28-29). God is both willing and able to guarantee and maintain the salvation He has given us. Sources: Enduringword.com Gotquestions.org Equippingsaints.org Biblegateway.com