The Holocaust isn't estimated at 10-11 million.

Lets clarify something. There are 2 separate issues here; What is the holocaust? & How many people died?As evidence that the Holocaust refers only to Jews my opponent brings several links, & says 7 out of 9 say that the Holocaust was only the Jews.Well lets have a look: (For the voters convenience I have provided the relevant quotes from the source, feel free to look them up if you want, but I presume Pro will point out any mistakes I may have made) 1) http://library.thinkquest.org... - Projects by Students for Students“The Holocaust time period was from January 30, 1933 to May 8, 1945. An estimate of 5,860,000 Jewish people were killed. About 5,000,000 people who were not Jewish were also killed.” 2) http://www.holocaustchronicle.org... - Does not say either way.But I note that the site is called "The holocaust chronicles" the first thing on the page in the link is :"Total Deaths from Nazi Genocide Policies".3) http://faculty.ucc.edu... - Also does not say.It has a list of "Jewish Victims of the Holocaust". Does that mean that the only victims were Jews?(One can make the argument the other way around, if Jews were the only victims of the holocaust why would it have said "Jewish victims of the holocaust"? If all victims of the holocaust were Jewish, it would be redundant to say "Jewish victims of the holocaust". )4) http://www.humanitas-international.org...- Same as before. All it says is: "ESTIMATED JEWISH DEATHSDURING THE HOLOCAUST" followed by a list.5) http://www.telegraph.co.uk...- This one is indeed clear. The problem is that it's clearly saying all deaths are included in the term holocaust.The article is entitled "The Holocaust death toll". The article then reads"Millions of Jews, gypsies, Russians and prisoners of war died in Hitter’s death camps as part of his Final Solution plans.Below that is a list of the death toll." It proceeds to list them, & that's the end of the article. Couldn't have been more clear, that the term holocaust is not strictly limited to Jewish deaths.6) http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk... - This is the same as the previous one. It begins by saying,"The Holocaust is the name given to the murder of millions of Jews, Gypsies etc...."7) http://www.historyplace.com... - This one I'll grant, although it isn't intending to define the term holocaust it does imply that the holocaust is the 6,000,000 Jews.8)http://pages.uoregon.edu... - Same as 3 & 4“The following charts is based on estimates compiled by Raul Hilberg concerning the number and cause of death in the Holocaust. These percentages include only the deaths of Jewish victims, not those of other victim groups, such as...”He is simply discussing the Jewish part of the Holocaust, that doesn’t mean that the term is exclusive.9)http://www.ahbjewishcenter.org... - Same as 8."STATISTICS OF JEWISH DEATHS FROM THE HOLOCAUST". Again just because they're discussing Jewish deaths of the holocaust doesn't mean non - Jewish aren't included in the term. ( It is after all a Jewish center.)After I looked up all that, it seems to me that my opponent agrees that the term includes non- Jews. After his list of links he writes: “The definition of the Holocaust which includes ethnic groups other than Jews ...”. But wait, he then criticizes my 1st source because it says: “"5.4m died in a well known event, the Holocaust " but many more died in more obscure circumstances."So Let me clarify the matter the way I see it. The term holocaust is used both ways.Thus it is incorrect to say “The Holocaust isn't estimated at 10-11 million.”. Now about my opponents criticism of my source: “Source [12] is "Bloodlands: Europe Between Hitler and Stalin" is a book written by Timothy D. Snyder. According to this source, however "5.4m died in a well known event, the Holocaust " but many more died in more obscure circumstances. There is no reference given to the 10-11 million person figure.”"The word holocaust in that book review is obviously using the term to refer the killing of the Jews. Not the # if you include all victims. Pro writes this as if he has a copy of the book and is reading the source. He writes:“According to this source, however "5.4m died in a well known event, the Holocaust " but many more died in more obscure circumstances. There is no reference given to the 10-11 million person figure.”But he is actually quoting from: http://en.Wikipedia.org...& even that article is not based directly on the book, the source in Wikipedia for that quote is a book review “Guy Walters (November 1, 2010). "Bloodlands". The Financial Times: p. 1,” . So it’s not even quoting the book itself.(As I have shown the term is used both ways, & Pro cannot say “There is no reference given to the 10-11 million person figure”, when all he has is an article based on a review of the book.)Just to cover my self I will provide more sources that support me, and explain why Pro's tallying method is wrong & misleading. I will use 1 of Pro’s own sources to show that the TOTAL is estimated between10 - 11 million:http://library.thinkquest.org... states "An estimate of 5,860,000 Jewish people were killed. About 5,000,000 people who were not Jewish were also killed."That's a total of 10,860,000.The 2nd source seems fits with my opponents count, but let me explain why I think that this & my opponents method is misleading;These numbers are given to show the deaths of different groups of people, & for that it's accurate.But if it's used to tally up the total, the #'s will come out to high. The reason being that many people are counted twice. 1st it counts all the European Jews, then it counts all soviet prisoners, but among those soviet prisoners were Jews . So Jewish soviet prisoners are counted twice.The same goes for "Polish Catholics", now you might say a Jew can't be counted as a polish catholic. But you have to realize that Hitler viewed the Jews as a race not as a religion, so any converts or children of converts were considered Jews. "Anyone with three or four Jewish grandparents was to be exterminated without exception. In other genocides, people were able to escape death by converting to another religion or in some other way assimilating. This option was not available to the Jews of occupied Europe,[26] unless their grandparents had converted before 18 January 1871. All persons of recent Jewish ancestry were to be exterminated in lands controlled by Germany.[27]"(1)Thus a person could be counted in both the "Jew" column, and any of the other columns. & therefor to try tallying it up based on such a list will be inaccurate. I note that this source did not give a total based on these #'s .More sites that puts the total # between 10 & 11 million:http://www.nps.gov...http://fcit.usf.edu...http://www.holocaustforgotten.com...Since I'm nearing my limit, I'll close with a summary. In closing:1) I have shown (as did my opponent himself) that the term holocaust can refer to all victims, not just Jews. 2) I have shown estimates from numerous sources clearly putting the total # of holocaust victims between 10 to 11.3) This I don't think was needed, but I showed how all the sources can be in agreement about the total #. & the problem with pros tally.I thank my opponent for an enlightening debat, & the voters for reading, voting, & writing RFD's. Thank you. VOTE CON!(1)http://en.wikipedia.org...