The Central Principle of Christianity is IMMORAL

May Reason and Logic Win the Day in the Face of Religious Ignorance!Greetings!Thanks again for your honesty and your candid opinions.These kinds of discussions work the best if we are both genuine and honest and yet still respectful! So please forgive me is my following articulations are a bit harsh and barbed. I assure you that is not my intention nor my motivation.Overview & Criticisms of Your Opinions:It appears you are strict about some of the core principles but become "loosey-goosey" about them in the same breath! On one hand you call some of these concepts one thing but then on the other hand call them something else! Allow me to explain.. I don't think you even realize that you do this.For example(s), you said, "I do believe that God will only judge according to what is in a man's heart when the time comes.." ..but you went on to say, "I won't make any judgement on who is eligible or not for salvation." You went on to say later, "I also recognise that God, through his sacrifice alone, can offer salvation or redemption to those who believe in Him.." ..Well which is it, a man's heart or recognizing the sacrifice..? Isn't it a judgment to decide that God will judge a man's heart..? Secondly, note that you believe a time will come for this judgment (we will get back to this point in later rounds).. You said, "Sinning all you want, consciously knowing it's wrong and expecting redemption is not really knowing God.." ..But then went on to say right after, "Sinning is part of human nature.." No one said anything about "sinning all they want" ..Rather, it is the very idea of Vicarious Redemption that creates a moral dilemma in which responsibility of living rightly for the sake of simply doing what is right is shirked and perverted.I hope you are not a moral person simply because you think God says to be! I hope you are a moral person because you are a moral person! If you are only moral because of the great surveillance camera in the sky, you are in fact not truly moral! At least your motivations or reasons are very contemptible reasons then..Natural Human empathy and compassion, qualities like these, are enough! These virtues become polluted and the integrity of morality spoiled if we accept the concept of Vicarious Redemption at its face-value! One need only ask for forgiveness when they do sin (whether consciously or unconsciously) and they mask and cover-up part of what it means to be moral and what it means to be a ethical human-being. Vicarious Redemption is not intellectually healthy or morally respectable. It is scapegoating.You said, "I don't think any true Christian believes they are throwing their sins onto someone.."The word itself has an ironic history [scapegoat]: "a goat upon whose head are symbolically placed the sins of the people after which he is sent into the wilderness in the biblical ceremony for Yom Kippur" [1]. "a person who is unfairly blamed for something that others have done" [2]. "one that bears the blame for others" [1].You go on to say to start a rebuttal to section C., "As stated it's not human sacrifice.." ..but you go on to say, "..a Creator sacrifices himself as a man, to save humanity.." ..Honestly, you are all over the place and change the meaning and semantics in whichever way you like or prefer the spin to be.. It is or it isn't..?! These are important points that you decide to be non-specific about but then want to still be kinda specific about to save face..! You really come off as lacking the courage of your convictions or not being sure how or why you believe what you say that you do.There is a saying out in Texas, "You know, you really oughtta cowboy up..!" - which is of course a way of saying ...make a firm decision..!Jesus is literally called the Lamb of God for a reason! When Jesus is called the Lamb of God it is referring to Him as the perfect and ultimate sacrifice for sin [3]. Lamb, sheep and goats were sacrificed consistently throughout the Biblical texts and historical eras. Human sacrifice is quite common in the Bible, the story of Jephthah killing his daughter as a burnt offering in Judges 12:7 pleases God.You are basically trying to sugar-coat the whole thing! Comparing the concept of Vicarious Redemption to soldiers dying to save each other is so insulting and shameful, but, again, I don't think you even realize it! I think you really think its comparable and analogous, which makes me very sad.. Torture and human sacrifice for scapegoating metaphysical Christian ideas of Sin and to secure reward in Heaven, which is immoral to start, is not altruism. I understand that you buy the whole concept because you think that it is. I'm sorry my friend. Its a bad idea. Its not.I AGREE, most Christians don't realize that scapegoating is precisely what they are doing by accepting the concept of Vicarious Redemption; but that is in fact what you and everyone else is doing who does accept this notion..! You are deciding that Jesus (as a human sacrifice; don't sugar-coat it) is the best way to alleviate the burden of Sin (in fact the words and terms often used to describe this process are "wash" and "cleanse" [from Sin]).. worse (Christians) calculate this to be THE ONLY way to live eternally in Heaven. You even said, "I also recognise that God, through his sacrifice alone, can offer salvation or redemption to those who believe in Him.." Still worse yet, one will go to Hell if they find this concept to be immoral or not likely. This is not love. Sorry again my friend.. and if it is, it becomes compulsory as the mechanism of reward and punishment makes it to be so.. This is not love, it is evil. Nothing moral about this.You have probably never thought about it in this way.. you bought the farm & were sucked into the whole idea hook, line and sinker! For you to accept or realize that the very notion of Vicarious Redemption is immoral after the fact would be detrimental to the way you hold your Christian beliefs. I realize this, so I can understand why you can't or wont consider what I'm breaking down for you fairly. My hope is that maybe one day you will now that you are aware of it.You said, "If you truly believe in Him and his sacrifice, you will want to stop sinning and change your life accordingly." This is simply not true and here are some examples of why this is not true from statistical points of reference:Prison Population: Non-believers and atheist make up less than 0.02% of the prison population nation wide (less than 1%). On the contrary, Christians, Muslims, and other religious groups make up over 99% of the prison population. The highest are Christians [4]. It is true that more people in the US are religious, so naturally we would expect to see more religious people in prison systems and less non-believers/atheist, however, if we adjust for this and do the ratios, we would then expect to see at least 15% to 20% of the prison population comprised of non-believers. We don’t. It’s just the opposite. Non-believers and atheist are less than 1% the prison populace while they comprise 15% to 20% of the entire population in the US.Divorce Rates: Divorce rates are higher among religious groups (the highest are Christians) and lower for non-believers. When we adjust for the population ratios, as we saw with the prison rates, Christians divorce more than non-believers [4].Violent Crime: Violent crime rates in the Western World are lower in non-religious communities. Switzerland, Denmark and Sweden are among the most atheistic countries in the world and they are also the safest having the lowest violent crime rates. The United States is almost dead last [4].According to you, all of these people don't truly know God or aren't true Christians.. Yikes!Cited Source References:[1] http://www.merriam-webster.com...[2] http://www.learnersdictionary.com...[3] http://www.gotquestions.org...[4] [Gallup polling and Prison Census]Philosurfer