LM Classic: Yraelz vs. feverish

Thanks Yraelz. The build up has indeed been long and drawn out but the day of reckoning is now here and the semi-finals are upon us. It is a good day for an Ultimate Team War in indestructible New York. For anyone clueless as to what is going on in this debate, information can be found here: http://ddofans.com... Yraelz is correct about my team selection which is the same as in my other battles in this competition, for descriptions and sources on my characters, see this debate: http://www.debate.org... ________________ My opponent suggests on several occasions that my team selection breaks the rules. It is clear to me that he is merely trying to deflect attention and get in first with a rule-breaking accusation because he is well aware that his complete disregard for the street-level category is a rule violation of epic proportions. The point of this rule is to create a balance within teams of very powerful characters and those with more basic human level abilities rather than super-powers. Pro's team is ridiculously over powered in this respect with all his characters having powers well beyond the street-level category. In the comments section of this debate, Yraelz actually urges me to break this rule as well, stating: "feel free to take whatever character you want. I don't even really care if it's a street level character. Or at least I won't bother arguing the point." As he has already proved himself willing to argue the toss over other supposed rule violations, what possible motivation could there be for this other than his acceptance that he has himself ignored this rule? Black Alice has the ability to not only absorb the powers of others but also to strip her subject of the powers themselves. This puts her on a level above even Amazo (who can only absorb powers) and makes her way beyond street-level. Emma Frost is one of the most powerful psychics in the Marvel Universe and also has the ability to go diamond form and be virtually indestructible. Not street-level. It should be noted that my opponent's original line-up included Vash, a character specified as an example of street-level when the rule was first explained by LM. Yraelz's inclusion of both Emma Frost and Black Alice alongside the verified street-level Vash, indicates that initially he did not regard at least one of them as street-level. I regard Black Alice and Emma Frost as disqualified from this battle. _________ Monkey is no god, this is a simple misunderstanding. Sun Wukong is a super powered stone monkey who *attempted* to become a god. At one point he was awarded a token position in heaven as stable-cleaner to the gods but any accurate analysis of Chinese mythology makes a clear distinction between gods and heroes. See here: http://docs.google.com... Monkey is listed as a hero rather than a god. He is also not listed in most pantheons of Chinese gods. http://www.lowchensaustralia.com... http://www.crystalinks.com... In any case, it was made clear that the "god" restriction was to outlaw omnipotence on the level of a Dr. Manhattan type character, not a semantic categorisation. If we are talking omnipotence then the limits to Monkey's powers are very clearly defined (often to a precise measurement) and Sentry is far more omnipotent; see: "Robert "Bob" Reynolds is said to have the power of 10 million exploding suns. And his power is not limited to any one capability, nor to only his concious mind. His powers are also said to be virtually limitless.." on his wiki linked in comments. Predator and Fett's ships are part of their standard equipment in the same way as Sephiroth's sword or Ironman's armour. They are not separate entities in any way, merely machines that respond to specific instructions. Without their ships how could they have arrived at the battlefield? __________ "Sentry's molecules move a second ahead of the normal time line. This allows him to react a moment earlier than everyone else." While Sentry may be capable of this it clearly violates the rules, he is not allowed to act before the battle starts, nor allowed to time travel to before the start of the battle. "blinding monstrous light. It should be noted that this stops team Con from seeing" I'm afraid not. Monkey can see through what others can not, three of my characters have sophisticated visual equipment in their helmets which can easily filter light and use heat-based vision and Dracula has an aversion only to natural sunlight, not artificial lighting. Also in his mist form he has no eyes to be blinded. I think this strategy will backfire badly on my opponent as rather than blinding and imprisoning my team, he has actually hidden them from his own team, providing them with a shield of light they can see out of but his team can't see into. "Sentry quickly wipes the minds of everyone on Team Con.. he has also erased the memory of the entire human population before." When Sentry did this, he also wiped his own memory. It was a one-off and not a power he can target and control at will. It is not even listed as one of his powers on wiki http://en.wikipedia.org... Incidentally, as for Tony not being immune, the simple explanation would be that he was probably not suited up and using his psi-shield at the time. "Not only does he know where they are, note the fact that he can hear a butterflies heartbeat in Africa" Being able to hear something is not at all the same as being able to pinpoint its exact location. It is important to remember with Sentry that one of the main attractions of the character is that despite his extraordinary powers he is still just a regular guy. Yes he can fly in a straight line, faster than the speed of light and react to dodge a bullet but his thought process and decision making is still on a level with the average guy and the idea that he could pull off all these different processes which require extreme concentration, quickly and easily is pretty preposterous. My non-blinded non-mind-wiped team will have plenty of time to react before the proposed impalement and just because Sentry can hear them doesn't mean he can find them, especially considering the blinding light he created around them. How can he see? ___ Another thing to remember about Sentry is his vulnerability to mind control. As soon as Sentry rushes in, Dracula will simply assume control of him. Meanwhile Monkey gets to chest hair ripping. I'd say I've got a fairly averagely haired chest and I can grip at least thirty hairs at a time easily. I would assume at least ten of these (note the conservative estimates) would come loose if I were to tug fiercely. So ten extra Monkeys. "enter awareness inside of a dark space surrounded by hard light." "He then shoots into Bankai and dons his hollow mask. With these massive powers intact, Ichigo raises his spiritual pressure to near it's peak." Forgive my ignorance but I don't understand any of this stuff. Could you please explain? Astonishingly, I am already nearly out of letters, apologies for leaving some issues unaddressed. I'll have to figure out how to respond to the "spiritual pressure" thing once my opponent has explained exactly what it is. Tony, Pred and Fett will spend the first second analysing the landscape and locating Sephiroth and Ichigo. _____ So, one second in to the battle. Seph and Ichi now face Sentry (controlled by Drac), 11 Monkey kings, Dracula himself, Boba Fett, Predator and Ironman. Plus the rats are starting to creep out of the sewers as Slave 1 hovers overhead. Over to my opponent. Thanks. Con.