The Bible is right! Part 2

I will clarify my position. 1. WHAT YEAR WAS JESUS BORN? First I like to say that all my opponent says is this is a contradiction with no proof to validate his position but a recorded document that took place in 6AD. I do not deny this. I deny for the impossibility of a past event(6BC-2BC) along the same lines. The Biblical census was probably implemented by Herod at the command of Rome to coincide with their decree that all peoples should take an oath of allegiance to Augustus which took place. And, in spite of the methodological and background problems, we DO HAVE CONCRETE EVIDENCE of an empire-wide Augustian registration--literary, archeological, iconographic. To summarize this section on the 'the missing census of 7/5 BC': I HAVE affirmative evidence and good arguments for such a census-- Historians have not been able to find any empire-wide census or registration in the years 7-5 B. C. , but there is a reference to such a registration of all the Roman people not long before 5 February 2 B. C. written by Caesar Augustus himself: "While I was administering my thirteenth consulship [2 B. C. ] the senate and the equestrian order and the entire Roman people gave me the title Father of my Country" (Res Gestae 35, italics added). This award was given to Augustus on 5 February 2 B. C. , therefore the registration of citizen approval must have taken place in 3 B. C. Orosius, in the fifth century, also said that Roman records of his time revealed that a census was indeed held when Augustus was made "the first of men"--an apt description of his award "Father of the Country"--at a time when all the great nations gave an oath of obedience to Augustus. We KNOW Augustus instituted a 14-year census-cycle for EGYPT in 10/9 BC. .. (SourceBook II, p. 388). .. Not only does this give us more confirmation that Augustus was a "countin' sorta guy'" but it may reflect a local execution of a 'worldwide decree' of Augustus. To assert that Augustus did not make such a decree is an affirmative historical statement. And, "the burden of proof, for any historical assertion, always rests upon its author" (Hacket, Historians' Fallacies, Harper: 1970, p 63. ) To argue that Luke was wrong because there was NO worldwide decree (because we don't have a record of the specific decree) is to make a common mistake in historical method--arguing from 'slim' silence (some silence-arguments can be made to work, though). Yes in fact the census happened in 6AD but I think I have shown many census happened under Roman rule. This gives credit to me because it would have been quite possible for there to be a census in 6BC unitl 4BC. A census is very difficult esp. in those times. It would take long years to fulfill it. We know today that until something is legally complete it is not offically recorded. I in fact say that a world-wide census could have started in 4BC and not offically ended until 4-6AD. On another hand as well there could have been two census's and the Bible is only talking about the one in 6-4BC. Was Qurinius Governor Twice? As I have shown Quirinius was a highly respected man all the way to Augustus himself. And now I will show you a blankness in the history of Syria from 4BC-1BC. 25 – 23 BC Marcus Terentius Varro 23 – 13 BC Marcus Vipsanius Agrippa 13/12 – 10/9 BC Marcus Titius 10/9 – 7/6 BC Gaius Sentius Saturninus 7/6 – 4 BC Publius Quinctilius Varus 4 – 1 BC Unknown ---Im suggesting Quirinius***Possible [1] 1 BC – 4 Gaius Julius Caesar Vipsanianus 4 – 5 Lucius Volusius Saturninus 6 – 12 Publius Sulpicius Quirinius So who was in charge as the assessor of property in Judea during the first census? Just as the Bible had said all along, Quirinius. And as for Quirinius being the governor of Syria during this census, it is worth noting that the Bible never calls him the governor, at least the New King James Version doesn't. It says he was governing in Syria. And we know that Quirinius was indeed governing in some capacity in this region at this time. . http://en.wikipedia.org... Resolved by Probability: Goes to Pro! 2. THE CHRONOLOGY OF THE NATIVITY My opponent is wrong. His depiction of both stories are very flawed and no wonder it is assumed a contradiciton. We assume the events in Matthew are before Luke or at the same time but they are not. The Bible is not in chronological order or mirrored as some may think. The NT has many stories and some are the same and some account different things. These different accounts are not contradictions just different parts of the same story. I will give you a timeline also to follow: =Luke: KJV-R (Webster) Luke 2:3 And all went to be taxed, every one into his own city.4 And Joseph also went up from Galilee, out of the city of Nazareth, into Judea, to the city of David, which is called Bethlehem; (because he was of the house and lineage of David:)6 And so it was, that, while they were there, the days were accomplished that she should be delivered.7 And she brought forth her firstborn son. = My opponent cited that in Matthew Jesus was born in Bethlehem and in Mark in Nazareth, he is incorrect. We see Joesph leaves Nazareth and goes to Judea to be registered. Jesus is not born until they are in Bethlehem. Jesus was born in Bethlehem in both accounts my opponent is wrong. =KJV-R (Webster) Luke 2:21 And when eight days were accomplished for the circumcising of the child, his name was called JESUS, which was so named of the angel before he was conceived in the womb.22 And when the days of her purification according to the law of Moses were accomplished, they brought him to Jerusalem, to present him to the Lord. = We see Jesus is purified within 40 days as foretold. Again my opponent is wrong. Then we go to Matthew were after these 40 days Jesus must leave unto Egpyt. =KJV-R (Webster) Matthew 2:1 Now, after Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem. = We see Jesus is already born in Bethlehem and Herod is king. =KJV-R (Webster) Matthew 2:12 And being warned by God in a dream that they should not return to Herod, they departed into their own country another way.13 Arise, and take the young child and his mother, and flee into Egypt, and be thou there until I bring thee word: for Herod will seek the young child to destroy him. = We see here they prepare and set out into Egypt as foretold. =KJV-R (Webster) Matthew 2:14 When he arose, he took the young child and his mother by night, and departed into Egypt:15 And was there until the death of Herod: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken from the Lord by the prophet, saying, Out of Egypt have I called my son. = We see they flee into Egypt to escape Herod. We can also see that it was atleast two years before they came back because Herod kills all male children under two years of age. After such they come back and settle in Nazareth also as was said,"Jesus would be a Nazarine. Resolved: Goes to Pro! 3. HOW DID JUDAS DIE? My opponent maybe had little room here but could have gave us something. This in my book is a none response and could be looked at as submission. Though rights have it that you can rebuttal this in following rounds. Resolved: Goes to Pro! I thank my opponent. Pro has resolved all three. I await my opponents concession! I turn it back over to Con. .. . Resources: KJV-Revised . http://en.wikipedia.org... . http://christianthinktank.com... . http://www.biblicalchronology.com... . http://christianbookshelf.org... . http://www.biblicalchronology.com...