The USSR played a more important role in defeating Germany than the western allies.

You did a very good job twisting my words. Also you completely avoided my two main arguments which I wrote at the end of the last round. Anyway, I will go through your list of incorrect thinking and make corrections. I can do nothing else since you completely avoided my two strongest arguments from last round. "most of Africa was colonies." So? There was still people in those countries... -Everybody knows that there were people in Africa. And these people helped both Germany and the allies throughout the three years of fighting in Africa. ____________ "Britain's role in defeating Germany was 5-6%." No seriously, you've got to be kidding me. The UK was one of the Big Three allies, and they helped WAY more to defeat Germany than a one digit number. Perhaps a country like Uruguay put in that little. -The UK was responsible for the defeat of some 500,000 German and Italian soldiers. At its heights, the German army was 5 million strong. If you look at both the war in Europe and the war in the Pacific then you see that the Soviets were 40% of the victory during WWII, the Americans were 40%, and the rest of the countries were 20%. And Uruguay was a colony, not a country. ____________ "Nevertheless, the fronts in Africa were more important." Not really. The Soviet Union didn't even do much in those fronts. -I never said the Soviet Union did anything in Africa...any idiot can figure that out. Same as the Americans and British didn't fight the Battle of Stalingrad. I was simply saying that the fronts in Africa was more important than those in Italy and France. ___________ "But this doesn't tell anybody how France played an important role." Extreme sacrifice and the strength to hold back the German army doesn't count as important to you? -The Soviet Union suffered more than Britain, America, and France combined. Sacrifice was a natural part of WWII. The role of France was as important as the roles of Poland and Yugoslavia. ___________ "The German occupation of France." Germany didn't occupy France, only parts of it (Vichy). -Germany occupied France in one way or another. Northern France was completely taken over by the Germans. The southern part was under the control of the Vichy regime, a puppet government. Here is a link to some maps of the German Empire during WWII. http://www.stormfront.org... ___________ "Operation Torch" The Red Army wasn't involved in that. -I never said the Red Army was involved in Operation Torch. Reread my writing from the previous round. ___________ "yes, this includes the forces killed by other countries other than the USSR." You seem to keep agreeing with me on certain things. -I agree with you on certain things because certain things you say are facts, not arguments. Out of the 80% of German soldiers who fought in the east, maybe 2% of them were killed by forces fighting alongside the USSR on the eastern front. ___________ "These countries include Finland, Romania, and Bulgaria." There are more reasons why these countries switched sides than what you stated. -Finland, Romania, Bulgaria, Yugoslavia, and Poland were the countries I stated. There were no other countries helping the USSR on the eastern front. ___________ "But lets face it: the Soviets would have won even without all the help anyway." Not true at all. Without the Americans, British, Australians, Canadians, etc., the Soviets would've had their butts handed to them on a silver platter (sorry for the strange metaphor). -"All these European nations sided sided with the USSR in 1944 by which time it was clear Germany would lose the war. But lets face it: the Soviets would have won even without all this help anyway."----------I was talking about the eastern European nations that sided with the USSR. I never said anything about the western allies. Once again, reread the previous round. _________ "Bloodiest battle in history." So? It was only very bloody because there were so many troops shooting at each other at that time -No, it was the bloodiest battle in history due to the fact that 2 million people died during it. _________ "Live in poverty for years." The Treaty wasn't THAT bad. -The effects of the treaty of Versailles were bad enough to make the people of Germany turn to Hitler. _________ "German was defeated by American supplies, American money, and Russia men." Might I add that you mentioned two American things and only one Russian thing. This alone proves that the USA had a more important role than the USSR, and you were the one who said it. And don't you realize that it also took American men? British men? Canadian, Australian, French, Brazilian, etc. men to defeat Germany? -Money and supplies don't win wars. Men do that. Proof: can money and supplies kill German soldiers? And also, any idiot will realize that other men from other countries also fought in WWII. _________ "Finally, what you must understand is that there were more than one theaters and fronts. Take the Pacific Theater for example, which was mainly just the USA and the UK against Japan. That was arguably the most important theater of World War Two." -Yes I understand that there were two theaters in WWII. This debate only focuses on one of them. The European Theater involved more axis countries and more axis soldiers (which is why America wanted to focus on defeating Germany first) and 50 million people died in Europe as opposed to only 20 million in the Pacific theater. Also, the Chinese played a more important role in defeating Japan than the British did.