"Purpose" and "Meaning" are not just products of man. They inherently exist in the universe.

As pro, my points will be based on the title, meaning that I stand for "purpose" and "meaning" being inherently existent in the universe. Perhaps it is not that meaning is meant to be taken from a religious stand point, but a natural one. Faith is only the first science, a way to explain things. Because it beyond our understanding as to how the universe was made we turn to a religious response as it is the only kind of explanation we can make sense of. We've bastardized 'meaning' into thinking that what we do should all be done to make a God happy, and we should be content with living in his little ant farm we call the universe. Religion is a made up human crutch, but that does not invalidate the existence of a general purpose. This would mean, in a natural sense, that everything has a purpose as to why they exist. The universe was made somehow, the specific way I will not attempt to discuss, so I will argue from when the universe started it life and onward. If you, Kleptin, would like to propose a beginning of the universe then that burden of proof is on you, good luck with that if you chose. Anyway, the purpose of anything in the universe is firstly is to do what you do best. This includes the celestial bodies of the universe, like the sun and black holes. The sun burns. Black holes suck things in and do something with them. That's what they were made to do. By that I don't mean made by a maker, they where just made, however that came to be. But it did happen, my proof is that they exist. Look up in the sky, you'll see the sun. Look in deep space navigation logs and you find black holes. Find the sites yourself, but they are there. But when they were made, they simply had to do what ever came naturally, which I've already stated. Not for a divine purpose, but randomly. The raw materials that made the sun caused it to burn, so that's what it does. When a sun supernovas (no longer able to do what its made to do, aka death) it makes a black hole which happens to suck stuff so that's what it does. Then there is life. We are a happy accident. First, however it got there, the Earth happens to be placed so that it isn't too cold or too hot. It was made in such a way that it wasn't overflowed with gases like Jupiter, but had enough for an atmosphere. All circumstantial. The Earth purpose is to simply do what it does best, which is rotate in a gravitational field around the sun (the same with all other planets). Earth would exist without its life, water, or air. As long as its a floating rock its fulfilling its own purpose. We just benefited from a random occurrence, being that Earth was positioned and made to be able to be habitable. Not Earth purpose, but no one's complaining. The theory on how life came about that I support is another happy accident. Certain molecules like hydrogen, oxygen, carbon, etc, collided and happened to react making the first life: micro organisms. What did they do best? live and reproduce. As it got further along, they reproduced more began becoming more complex. That just kept happening up until today, where we are still doing the same thing: living and reproducing. That's out purpose because its what we do best. Its how we are made. Because we are not perfect there is only a certain amount of time we exist but we kind of keep living by reproducing. So let me address your issues reason of meaning: to do what your made to to proof: besides the impossible, I gave the best proof as humanly possible in accordance to science and reason, not faith. explanation: read above Why are we here?: 4th paragraph Why is the universe here: How is a better question, as that will answer why. But for the moment, why is simply because the universe is here and needs to do something So now your job is to prove that everything I just said is false. This would mean you would have to know: How the universe was made without bringing faith into it (but I'll let it slide), how life was REALLY made (as in the actual truth to life), and how doing what you do best cannot possibly be any kind of purpose at all (with specific examples in accordance to mine, being: the sun, black holes, Earth, the creation and continuation of life, showing that everything they do has no possible way of being purposeful/meaningful). Failure to answer these thus causes the assumption that you concede to my point and that I win that argument. My information comes from the articles of accredited periodicals like Science Weekly, Discover, and National Geographic, among others (if you doubt this you can find the articles yourself, I assure you they are out there). So all my info is also the best guesses by professional professors.