Morality does not need God to exist

Thanks again and good luck, Correct, the distinction between good and evil needs God to exist, without God, one would not have the idea behind what is good and what is evil, therefore one needs God in order to have morality exist. The reason why any atheist knows morals is because that atheist was influenced by the beliefs of the other (Those who believe in God), unless you prove that the person who can act morrally without believing in God or having any interaction with those who do believe in God or those who have been influenced by the belivers, you can't prove morality exists; however, you can't since our origin (human kind) was throught he history influenced by higher beings (God). Ofcourse I know atheists, the problem is, they know about God, and the concepts the society takes in are derived from the idea of God. Sure atheist may act morally but did they hear about God, YES, otherwise they ca't be atheists. Furthermore, your resolution calls for the idea that morality can exist without God, this is not possible to prove since the beggining of the human ind we believed in GOD, on form or the other. Ironic? Ever heard of humor? "Arsen the Great" dude, if we were debating in person you'd know what I'm taling about. -.- Furthermore, we're not debating wether you and I are moral. I 100% sure not all atheist or christians are moral, that DOESN' MATTER, what matters is wether morality would exist without the consept of God, which i clearly prove to be false: You need God to have morality possible. Dude, you want to debate the fact that morality doesn't need God to exist? correct? yes, so for me to win i have to prove that concept of God (weather he's rea or not) is critical for morality to have developed, it did, so if something is not developed how can it exist? it cannot! Thus CON wins. Secondly your only argument to prove that morality can exist without God was that people make laws and thus we have morality, I argued that those lawmakes believed in God, so without them believing they wouldn't make such laws, as "all men created by God are equal", you are not responding to my answers, rather you're ignoring them. that is something that we debators call "naive", to ignore the facts of how morality was established in our society is simply naive, period. "Morality will still persist, because it has always been and will always be a product of the will of different societies and rulers" No, you don't specify that those rulers don't believe in GOD, firstly most do, secondly, the rulers don't make people moral or immoral, they can't program people? can they??? :) Ok, now you're scewing this debate, and talking about being moral, wow, look in the resolution you've stated "God" not christian God, not Chinese heaven, just GOD, which means that this debate is about weather we need God (the concept of God) for morality to exist. This debate is not wether one religion is better than the other, learn to stick to debate topic. People are inately selfsh, and sucre nobody likes pain, but when one sees that he can gan something from war, he will not be dettered by fear of getting hurt (Hermocrates)(Founding Fathers of USA) Just because I don't like pain, doesn't mean I would be inclined not to impress it on someone esle, unless one can read mind, which you don't . These things you're talking about have all been drawn from the fact that God exists, which means that without the concept of God, people would not b hae morality, therefore the morality could not exist. Vote Con At the end of this debate ask your self: "Did the people 10000BC believe in God or not?" The answer is yes; Now what about the Founding Fathers of our nation? Did they believe in God? Yes, therefore, I prove that laws are influenced by the fact that God exists! Finally, do these "atheists" have contact with Christians and other believer of God? Yes, therefore tehy were influenced by God and I win! Thank you for this debate once more, and I urge the voters to vote based on wht is said(written).