Socialism is evil

" You"re misattributing wealth redistribution as a function of socialism, When it"s really a general function of a government. " - You understand that the definition we agreed upon includes the redistribution of wealth amount the government right? This point makes zero sense. " Socialism requires a tax hike to support the extensive list of things it provides for "free. " " - There hasn't been much research on how much the US would save by adapting a free college model, There has been extensive research on national healthcare. Statistically according to business insider, Bernie Sanders national healthcare model would actually save the US Trillions of dollars across a decade period. This is a very simple concept I pay 1, 500 dollars on healthcare, However now since it's national I have to pay 1, 000 more in taxes however now I save 1, 500 dollars. Therefore I've saved 500 dollars from the national healthcare model. While the numbers in this context aren't 100 % accurate, The concept still apply s. " This doesn"t mean all taxation is somehow socialist. " - Taxation is the redistribution of wealth and the definition we agreed upon on socialism included the redistribution of wealth. So yes technically taxation is socialist. " This is welfare, Not socialism. " Again these are government programs run on the redistribution of wealth which makes it socialist. " I never claimed they had to be "100% socialist, " - This is pretty much what you said, You acted as though since the Scandinavian countries are mixed markets, This makes them " highly capitalist". " If you cannot provide an example of something which meets your own criteria you have no way to justify it. " - I already provided to you 20 countries that fit the definition of socialist. The Uk, Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Germany, Japan, Canada, And Spain all have robust economies and have high levels of socialization. The US also technically also falls into this definition since the US redistributes wealth by taking taxes and using them to fund government programs such as the military, Education, And welfare. " The fact is, Most of the countries you listed are more open to trade than the United States. " - According to Heritage. Org, The United States only ranks # 12. This is higher rated than Luxembourg, Denmark, Sweden, Finland, Germany, Norway, Japan, And Spain. The only countries that are higher rated on the list that I mentioned are the Uk, Canada, And Switzerland. " No, The innovation isn"t coming from socialism. " - Again you understand that socialized programs such as welfare, Social security, National healthcare, And education actually boost the economy right? Welfare helps poorer families obtain enough to help their families, Education keeps qualified workers in the workplace, And finally national healthcare gives workers healthcare which in turn increases worker productivity and is cheaper. " Regulations and rules can be in place without becoming non-capitalist. " - Government regulation is essentially socialist from the definition we've agreed upon. " All these countries you"ve provided have a capitalist economy, With slightly larger welfare systems than the US. " - Again I do not think you understand that the redistribution of wealth and social programs are socialist. " That"s my point of view. Redistributionism is not the same thing as socialism. " - Yes it is from the definition we've agreed upon. - An argument you may bring up in the future and what you kinda brought up earlier is that redistribution of wealth is only one part of socialism which is incorrect on the definition we've agreed upon. Our definition includes redistribution yes, But also includes the government regulating these means of production. The government can only function with tax money obtained from the redistribution of wealth. Therefore redistribution isn' just a " tiny part" since without the redistribution of wealth, The government can't run at all which would therefore make socialism obsolete. - Another argument you may bring up is that in these countries the government doesn't own the means of production. Which is just an absurd argument since the means of production includes healthcare and education. The government also regulates the factories and businesses as well which doesn't happen in a purely based capitalist system. " Culture and habits, The United states is incredibly unhealthy overall relative to other countries. " - This is a very arbitrary argument since there are similar countries out there to the US. In this comparision I will be comparing a country which I feel is a very close country culturally, Economically, And history wise. The country to be used will be one of my favorite countries, Germany. Germany has a big; economic and cultural powerhouse of its continent; relatively young country conglomerated out of a bunch of little separate states with common backgrounds; strange mix of socially progressive and conservative values and legislation (though in many ways the opposite mix from the US); workaholic culture (relative to its neighbors? ), Less urbanized and maybe more provincial in places than most of Western Europe (from my understanding, Rural Germany can be isolated and conservative in much the same way as the rural US); had to learn a lot by coming to terms with its shitty history; but profoundly prosperous and industrious from a global viewpoint despite everything. And guess what, Germany has a a form of national healthcare and is still leagues ahead of the US in terms of life expectancy and quality of life. However this is just one country out of many other developed nations I could use as a comparison, So if you reject this one I can bring up another one if you would like. " I disagree, Going to college does not in and of itself help the economy. Smart people, Who learn valuable and rare skills from going to college helps the economy. " - This is an absurd argument. This is my argument expect you are simply changing the wording around. Of course going to college doesn't automatically equal a smart person, However do you really think the majority of people who go to college don't learn anything at all? " Most people should get an apprenticeship, Pursue their career, Or create a business. " - What about people who want to get into the medical field? Or the Law field? Or want to become a teacher? Also not everyone can just " create a business". Creating a business is very risky and hard to do and not something the average person (including myself) can or want to do. " Normalizing college will not increase our intelligence, And it certainly won"t raise our standards. " - How do you explain that a country such as Singapore with free college has statistically according to Forbes, The highest IQ per person in the world? " What does organic chemistry have to do with economics? " - My bad I meant anecdotal. ". Most taxes go towards the functioning of the government and the defence of said government. " - Which are government programs. " I said redistribution is required, Not socialism. " - Socialism can only function with redistribution, So essentially you agree that some socialization is necessary for a country to sustain itself. Case and point, My opponent has little understanding of the definitions we've agreed upon and is making pretty absurd claims with no strong analysis nor evidence to back it up. 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