Conditional Election

"Umm. . . God is the creator, He can create creation how He wants to; God (Jesus) is the savior, He can save how he wants to (as long as it's in His attributes). " If God can create how He wants to and save how He wants (within His attributes) to then you should have no problem believing in conditional election. Actually, I can answer why God chose to elect that way based and conditional election. You do not have an answer as to why God elected based on unconditional election. The difference between my belief and yours is the fact that I can argue a reasonable/rational explanation that supports my views where-as your belief reduces your argument to "we"ll that"s just how God wanted to do it" without any explanation as to why. Therefore, I feel Calvinism is an inferior view. "You said that election and salvation are without free will. I explained above why this is a false representation of my belief (which, I remind you, Is a straw man). " I was no aware that you believed in free will after regeneration. Forgive me here. You said the process of salvation is without free will. "Nope. Read what I actually said. God changes our nature, To where we want to follow Him. Please stop making me restate myself; we've talked about this before. Stop using this straw man (which I have disproved multiple times) against me. It's not helping anyone. . " Forgive me for mischaracterizing your belief about blindly following and worshiping a Creator. I was wrong to do that. I just still do not see how your belief is not mind control. Please explain why it is not one more time. You believe God "switches on the light" in someone"s heart without their consent or anything. Then afterwards they choose to follow God and love Him. If God never turned on the light, They wouldn"t have followed, Worshipped and loved Him correct? If so, How is that not like taking the dead batteries out of a toy and putting in new ones? The toy has no say so in the matter? The toy doesn"t ask to have his batteries (or nature) replaced, He"s just dead until you come along and act. Help me understand how this different. "Would you want me to consistently and constantly say something like, "Well, If we choose God, Then we're saving ourselves, Therefore, Self-salvation"? You are saying that I "opened" up somewhere for you to attack; rather, Just the opposite. Also, Effectual grace is a better term than irresistible grace. " You actually use this argument on me quite often. I have explained that receiving salvation is not a work. God does the work. He regenerates your soul, Gives you faith, And gives you the Holy Spirit. I am completely unable to save myself. I humbly ask God to do it for me because I cannot. This is not a work it is simply receiving a gift that is offered. If you had a rich uncle who mailed your church a check for a healthy sum of money, It"s not enough to simply leave the check in the envelope. It must be received (accepted and appropriated). Its potential isn"t realized until your church cashes/deposits it! I believe the Bible teaches this same principle. "Jesus himself quite literally calls it a secret. Read Mark 4:11. He purposely is not clear to the outsiders. They can't understand. " You believe that Jesus spoke in parables so that those not elect could not understand what he was saying, ". . Lest at any time they should be converted, And their sins should be forgiven them", But if they are already condemned and not elected, Why would hearing God"s word about these mysteries bring about a conversion or a regeneration? Is there some disagreement between the Trinity about who are truly the elect? Or does this more accurately agree with my perspective, That the people to whom Jesus spoke could have conceivably seen, Perceived, Heard, Understood and been converted? Then comes the question, Why did He not want them to turn and be converted. If they were, Then Jesus could never accomplish His work on the cross! They had to first crucify Him before their sins could be wiped away clean! Their faith in Him would be pointless if He did not die! These people whose hearts were not already hardened against Christ would have the parables revealed to them later on. Those who had their hearts already hardened:God speaks of not always striving with man; He also speaks of today being the day of salvation and to seek him while he may be found; He speaks of not casting the pearls before the swine; He speaks of a point of no return. He has promised in his word that he who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness. I think it"s evident the Pharisees blasphemed the Holy Spirit (see Matt. 12) on many occasions denying the power of the Holy Spirit and Jesus. "How do you know? They can't and won't choose God because they are dead in their sins. They can't "ask" God to regenerate themselves because they are blind to Him in the first place. " The Pharisees were taught just like Paul was. They studied the Old Testament constantly. These verses from the Old Testament (Exodus 15:18, Psalm 9:7-12, Psalm 145:13, Psalm 146:10, Daniel 4:3) speak of the coming of the kingdom. John the Baptist quoted a reference to Isaiah 40:3, "Prepare the way of the Lord". This tells the Pharisees that God is about to show up. They completely rejected Jesus as God, King, Lord. Then why did Jesus try to keep His message concealed and secret from them if they are dead in their sin and won"t respond to it anyway? Sorry I did not have enough time to finish. I will answer what I did not in my last one. Please forgive me.