You can be Muslim and a Redneck

My rebuttal: 1. "kill gecko is allowed if that it danger us. so muslim habits different with redneck habits who kill gecko just for fun." The Con makes an excellent point here, and I am very impressed. I assumed that geckos were all harmless, but a quick Google search revealed the there is a species of Arabian gecko called "the venom-spitting devil-gecko from hell" which can not only cause humans grievous physical injury, but can also give them alzheimers in some circumstances. The geckos I am accustomed to are normally confined to hanging on walls, leaves and trees. It was bigoted and wrong of me to think that my own small vision of what a gecko is applies to all the world, and I sincerely apologize for my ignorance. 2. "you wrong, muslim still can do sex, even with slave women, without MARRY first. and if they do sex without marry realitionship, they will be punnished (zinah's sin) and get the sin. so, it's not true if we say they do free sex dude." The Con seems to imply that you must marry the slave-woman first. I am not sure of this. Most of the Islamic scholars I have seem to indicate the contrary. Quoting the Holy Qur'an: "And all married women (are forbidden) unto you save those (captives) whom your right hands possess" I cannot read Arabic, but the English seems to say that you cannot make the sex with a married woman UNLESS she is a slave (under your right hands' possession). So, if a Redneck uses slavery as his primary way of meeting women, then this is a lawful way of making much sex that does not transgress the limits of Islamic law. 3. "different with redneck who free to take a girl to their bedroom and making love." This is very interesting and insightful. I am really impressed by Con. This raises the issue of temporary marriages. I think a Redneck Muslim could get a lot of mileage out of this type of marriage. In a temporary marriage, the Redneck Muslim and his lover-girl agree to be married for the night, and then he divorces her the next morning after breakfast. This way, he can still abide by normal Redneck standards of promiscuity, yet do so within the confines of Islam. Though the Con is clear and very insightful here, I think that if we admit that some Muslims can practice temporary marriages while still remaining Muslim, a Redneck can be a Muslim under this method. For more info: http://en.wikipedia.org... I will leave it to the voters to decide, however. 4. "it's true that alcoholism are not enough to define Redneck behavior. but with a simple example, we can take a conclusion they're not inappropriate become a muslim. why? because islam clearly tell us, not to drink alcohol. except if alcohol is used for medice action. meanwhile, the rednect is free to consume alcohol, can we say it same like muslim habit??" The Con is doing a great job of tearing my arguments to shredereens, but I think this is where he makes a mistake: Drinking alcohol is not as integral to being a Redneck as smoking cigarettes are. So, a Muslim Redneck could just be one of those Rednecks that don't drink alcohol. A Rendect may be legally free to consume alcohol, but Rednecks do have taboos. For example, I once knew this Redneck named "Billy Joe Johnson III & IV" who wouldn't listen to Jazz music. We were driving to a gun show one time and we were having this long awkward pauses in our small-talk, so I turned on some Coltrane. Man did he have a fit! "Turn off that Jazz mersic!" he yelled. So, if a Redneck can have taboos against listening to Jazz on the way to a gun show, a Redneck could have an Islamic-taboo on drinking alcohol. Plus, he could drink O'doule's, which is non-alcoholic beer. True, it doesn't increase your confidence beyond all natural reason, but if you put the O'doule's in a Heineken bottle, you can still look sort of cool drinking it. Metaphysically speaking, the Con hasn't demonstrated that a Redneck must drink alcohol to be a Redneck, and therefore I win. 5. "i think if we say that 'true' muslim is same like redneck, it's nor wise argument, or even 100% wrong. but, muslim as religion still accept them to be a muslim, if they release their identity as 'real' redneck." And here we come to the real heart of the issue. Can a Redneck have a fully Muslim identity, and can a Muslim have a fully Redneck identity? The Con implies that one would need to forego their Redneck identity to truly embrace an Islamic identity, whereas I argue the opposite. Let me ask Con a few questions, here, for round 3: a. Can a Muslim have NASCAR posters in their bathroom? b. Can a Muslim play the banjo like nothing else? c. Can a Muslim unironically sport a mullet hair-cut? d. Can a Muslim drive a Chevy? e. Can a Muslim appreciate the movie, "After Earth"? f. Can a Muslim call his grandmother "Jo Ma"? g. Can a Muslim hunt squirrels for fun and profit? h. Can a Muslim wear cow-boy boots with shorts? i. Can a Muslim be a fan of Van Kilmer? j. Can a Muslim wear a bandana to court? k. Can a Muslim attach antlers to his motorcycle? I know some of these things may sound a bit funny to you, but they are legitimate questions. If a Muslim can do these things and still remain a Muslim, then they can retain their Redneck identity. I have studied many Hadith and looked at the different madhabs on this subject, and I think that, on the whole, these behaviors are not prohibited by Islam. Yet anyone who does such things is clearly a Redneck? Please address a-k and tell me if you find any objectionable to Islam. http://www.imdb.com... 6. "thank u for your brillant ideas. i'm sorry if my post is hurting you. haha. i'm waiting your rebuttal." I am a little hurt, but I will adjust. However, I am clearly winning this debate so I suggest you take the time to really bring the ruckus. Round 3 is the final round, and then you must either concede or explain why you beat me in your final statement. Thanks again!