Ninjas are Better than Pirates

"Some pirates are trained and some aren't, but ALL ninjas are trained. True, they're trained to do different things, but all ninjas will be skilled in what they do, except maybe a few exceptions who would be dead pretty quick. A man with no skill or training besides natural strength can be a pirate. The majority of pirates were just thugs who were stronger and more violent then everyone else. Even if some of them were skilled, I'll say again that all ninjas were skilled" -First, training does not make someone automatically better better equipment can offset training. Ie: Swords versus Firearms. Since you say any man can be a pirate because they have to have strength this would discount some of the most successful pirates who weren't necessarily physically strong (female pirates) but very intelligent. By your argument since any person can become a pirate with enough strength than any person can be a ninja with training. "It makes them better in the same way any of these points do; they're just ways society sometimes measures what's better- in this case morality." -The morality of a killer is not something thats valued, to contemplate morality can lead to fatality. "True. However, as a collective group I would still argue that ninjas were more moral than pirates. Pirates who were not privateers would cause a lot of useless destruction; they would ravage ports and towns sometimes; killing, stealing, and raping. There were very few ships where prisoners were treated kindly, if they took prisoners at all instead of just killing them. Ninjas on the other hand would only hurt their intended target; any collateral damage was purely collateral and not the result of a desire to kill and pillage further. Of course there are exceptions and special cases on both sides, but this was the general rule, so as a group ninjas were more ethical than pirates." -Useless destruction to one may be useful destruction to another, ravaging ports and stealing were ways for the pirates to make money; and for privateers to beat down the other empires trade. The morality argument is quite weak. I want a moral police department I don't want a moral assassin or pirate. "A samurai or daimyo isn't just as hard? They are noblemen who are not only skilled in their own right, but also have very loyal followers, and perhaps even their own army, all of whom could certainly match a pirate crew at the very least. These are the people ninjas are trained to kill; taking out a pirate captain at port wouldn't be much different than anything else." I agree with you but this doesn't make a ninja better than pirates. "Two points to address here: A) Stars and daggers aren't the only weapons ninjas use. They are trained to use poisons, or even explosives (primitive as those explosives would be...). Being assassins they know a million ways to kill, since throwing a dagger or shooting an arrow isn't always the best way to go about it. And even if the pirate is of the same skill as a samurai, I'll say again that ninjas are trained to assassinate samurai (among others), it's nothing that's above what they normally do. B) You seem to be imagining a ninja rushing in and shouting "I'm going to kill you!" A pistol is a good weapon, but a ninja plans to already have killed, incapacitated, or left their victim before he or she has time to draw a gun. And if a ninja was ever confronted, they would most likely escape before an actual fight could commence, and then go back and finish the job the later. It's sneaky, but it's not cheap; neither the pirate nor the ninja probably has a good reason for killing the other and so the assassin method isn't a low blow; it's just a method." -A) First using poison requires real no special training except for making it. Secondly because ninjas are trained to kill samurai doesn't correlate to being able to kill pirates or being better in any respect. -B) A Japanese ninja fitting in with pirates inorder to even get close would be quite difficult. No matter what method a ninja uses it doesn't make them better, just different. "My point isn't that a pirate couldn't kill a ninja, only that a ninja would have an easier time killing a pirate then vice-versa. Ninjas are more skilled than pirates, they are more moral than pirates, and they could kill a pirate easily; therefore they are better." -Final response is that a pirate would have just as much trouble killing a ninja as a ninja would killing a pirate. As i believe the burden of proof is on you to prove that ninjas are better than pirates you have failed because ninjas in general may be skilled but pirates have experience, morality has no implication therefore they are merely different creatures.