The revisionist position of marriage is worthy of state recognition.

I hope that the both of us can achieve a better understanding of this rapidly-growing issue and put our speech and voting power to a more wise use. Your 5th rule is fine by me; I promise to remain non-secular. On Traditional Marriage Regardless if a marriage is required for procreative in-type acts to occur, the government's interest in the institution is anything but curbed. Comprehensively, marriage is not about restricting procreative behavior, but rather encouraging it. Let us note; traditional marriage is about the relationship where procreation is inherently possible. That is, a relationship where procreative in-type actions occur, but not necessarily actions procreative in-effect. Just because a specific union is incidentally incapable of procreation, or even unwilling to enter sexual intercourse, does not mean the couple is incapable of existing within a relationship where procreation is possible, and therefore they are not justly excluded from the union. By contrast, homosexual couples are not only incidentally incapable of procreation, they are incapable of procreation in-principle, and are therefore justly barred from entering the traditional marriage contract. My opponent argues that because homosexuals are capable of IVF surgery or are capable of adopting orphan children, they fall within the criteria of entering a traditional marital union. But this is ignoring the points made, and discrediting the strict definition of marriage I have provided; marriage is about the relationship where procreation is inherently possible. While it is true that individual homosexuals may be capable of procreation, the couple is not. Adoption is irrelevant to this debate. Regarding my opponents final objection, we are debating what the law -- more specifically marriage -- should be perceived as, not what current perceptions are. None of my opponents objections have survived my scrutiny. On Revisionist Marriage: Addressing the criteriaBefore larz addresses the criteria, he first posts a paragraph justifying his position. In this paragraph, he determines that the cost of excluding homosexuals from marriage is not worth emotional repercussions that homosexuals place on themselves and all of society. But this is totally irrelevant to the debate. What my opponent is arguing for is, "that the revisionist position is more reasonable than the traditional position of what sort of marriages should be recognised. " Nothing in my introduction did I mention homosexuals, with the exception of a very vague first sentence. The paragraph preceding my opponents justification for his criteria is totally irrelevant. Now, I will refute my opponents justification for the Revisionist case.1. My opponents justification here is not on-topic at all. Indeed, why should we add any names to the list of who can wed under the revisionist standpoint? Why should the government recognize a revisionist marriage anyways? This is what we are debating, and my opponent has either ignored this or forgot. 1 is therefore unjustified.2. This wasn't exactly a criteria to be met, but rather a ground rule to exclude obnoxious arguments, such as the circular "marriage is a right because it is a right" argument.3. Larz excludes most of these unions because they are inherently bad, such as heterosexual incest, necrophilia, and pedophilia. But what about marriages with homosexual incestuous couples, animals, inanimate objects, or oneself? These do not implicitly do harm on anybody, and presumably do not meet the Revisionist requirement of marriage. Yet, they all revolve around love and intimacy. 3 is therefore unjustified.4. While my opponent may believe that he has thwarted the Traditional position (which he has not), I do strongly suggest that he battles the ideologies of the two, just in case. I, for one, understand that an effort on the part of the government to preserve the population in society is more worthy of recognition than an effort to simply comfort members of society by declaring their love publicly. Why should I, or anyone, disagree with my observation? 4 is therefore unjustified.