Stopping Illegal Immigration

"1. Your right, the border patrol is specially trained to contain the border. Well one question for you. WHY ISN'T IS WORKING? You seem to be all for the border patrol when really you have no idea that we are at the worst immigration level EVER." -The border patrol is not working for two reasons. The first reason is that there are not enough border patrol agents to complete close off the border. The second reason is that it is impossible to stop illegal immigration. Illegal immigrants streaming into this country are not only responding to economic demands, we need them to fill jobs, but are also looking for more political and economic freedom. These people risk their lives crossing the border to have the opportunities American's have and they cannot and will not be deterred by any amount of guarding of the border. "2. Now what you say about the National Guard and Active Army makes no sense. Okay first the National Guard was made to protect WHAT? I can tell you the answer. AMERICA. If they are made to protect America then that is what they need to do. Also you say the the National Guard and Army cannot take on such a task but your saying that guys who are letting in 3 to 4 million illegals every year will do a better job. I dont understand your arguement. Apparently the so called technology that you say they have is not working." -Of course the national guard is trained to protect America, but they are trained to protect it in a very specific way: waging war. The national guard cannot deal with every threat to America. If America is threatened by protectionist trade practices in the EU should the national guard suddenly be involved in international trade relations? Guarding the border is beyond the scope of the national guard's training and ability and so they should not guard it. "3. Okay here is what gets me. "Illegal Immigration is good" What? These people are coming over here and what they do is make a threat of foreign terrorism and yes 1 out of 3 or 4 million can possibly be a terrorist or a criminal. Actually in California there are millions of murders, rapes, burglaries, and robbings that occur by illegal immigrants. If the argument you are going to make is that American do crimes also. Well at least we have records of them and to not be able to find these criminals would be so harmful for our country." -Illegal immigrants (specifically those who have crossed the southern border, what this debate is about), at least historically, have not lead to a single act of terrorism. The acts of terrorism that have been carried out on US soil were either committed by US citizens or by immigrants who came here through legal channels. Mostatebears17 is right that the undocumented nature of illegal immigrants is the problem. The solution: give them documents, make them legal. It is terribly impractical if not impossible to stop all illegal immigration into this country and to kick out the 12 million already here illegally. It would be much easier to legalize them all and give them proper documentation. This means they would have track-able arrest records, they would pay the taxes people accuse them of dodging, and would in every way become full, productive, and contributing members of American society. Furthermore, illegal immigrants have arrest records, and they can be "found" (whatever that means). When illegal immigrants commit crimes, we arrest them and send them to jail just like American citizens. Mostatebears17 gives no reason why it is uniquely worse for illegal immigrants to commit crimes than citizens or legal immigrants, nor does he prove, or even argue, that illegal immigrants commit more crimes than citizens or legal immigrants. "5. Now my last arguement just extends all my past points. Illegals are dangerous and they can do harm. I realize that every Illegal Immigrant isnt murderers and robbers but it doesnt matter even if the smallest amount were criminals we have to stop them." -He cannot extend his arguments when I refute them and he ignores my second, fifth, and sixth argument. Moreover, it is terribly bad logic to prevent 11.9999 million people in this country because .0001 million are bad eggs. The benefits of illegal immigration vastly outweigh the costs. "The NATIONAL GUARD AND THE ACTIVE ARMY CAN take care this problem if giving the chance." -This is simply not true and mostatebears17 ignores my arguments that disprove this. The army and the national guard are not only not trained to guard the border, they are ignorant of the national and international laws that govern immigrant rights and border crossings. As a result, the army and national guard would not only be terribly ineffective organizations to guard the border but would most likely needlessly shoot, kill, or assault many immigrants trying to cross the border. "Finally we need to stop this problem or eventually we will be paying all of our Social Security money to pay for the over drought of people while they dont pay income tax." -If mostatebears17 thinks that illegal immigrants receive social security benefits or that income taxes fund social security then he has no idea how the organization works. Illegal immigrants have no impact on social security. Furthermore, mostatebears17 advocates stopping all illegal immigration by putting the national guard and army on the border. His primary problems with illegal immigration stem from their undocumented status and its effect on their status on the justice system or tax system. My counter-advocacy is that we should legalize, grant amnesty, to all current illegal immigrants. This would solve his problems becaue they are now documented which means that they pay taxes and can be "found." My counter-advocacy is also a much easier to implement solution to the exact same problems and can fix them better. Finally, mostatebears17 ignores my second, fifth, and sixth arguments. When he concedes that the army is incapable of protecting the border because of its commitments in Iraq and Afghanistan, that the national guard is poorly equipped and trained to guard the border, and that illegal immigration is good because it provides immigrants with an opportunity to be free and be economically mobile, he should lose because those three arguments are sufficient to disprove the resolution.