Jesus is the Jewish Messiah

Looks like Pro has F.F. If he or anyone else would like to debate this (or similar) topic, just send me a challenge.VOTE CON!Apendix and random stuff:More on "Omnis Traductor Traditor" - and the problems with translations:Earlier I mentioned the concept of "Omnis Traductor Traditor" here I'll expound a bit more on the concept, and try to explain/show how/why it's true:1) There are some words in almost any language that have no good equivalent in another. Often there is a certain implication/feeling that come from words in the original language that just gets lost when you translate it. If you Google "words that can't be translated", "lost in translation examples", "untranslatable", etc., you'll find many lists of examples. Come to think of it, the verb "Google" would be kind of hard to translate.2) Idioms, phrases, sayings, etc. - this is a big problem in translating, when these are translated from one language to another the result is often nonsensical if not comical, and sometimes even misleading.For more on this, see:http://en.wikipedia.org..."Translation of Idioms and Fixed Expressions: Strategies and Difficulties": http://ojs.academypublisher.com..."A Brief Overview On Idiomatic Translation": http://www.translationdirectory.com...3) Often a text can be interpreted or understood in more than one way - A translator will translate the text according to how they understand it, often this leads to other possible meanings/interpretations being unrecoverable/lost.4) Puns / word play5) Concepts, or cultural references.6) Cultural differences may lead to meaning getting lost in translation, or misunderstood/misinterpreted.7) Law references - for example To "plead the Fifth" in English is a term used in law which very basically means to invoke the right not to answer a question based on the 5th amendment of the constitution. Or an American might say I'm exercising my 2nd amendment right - which probably sounds pretty weird to any non American.All these make translations extremely error prone, extremely difficult to do accurately, and sometimes impossible.Quotes:In the preface to the Greek translation of his grandfather’s book, Jeshua ben Sira apologizes for any defects in his work, on the ground that ‘what was originally expressed in Hebrew does not have exactly the same sense when translated into another language. Not only this work, but even the law itself, the prophecies, and the rest of the books differ not a little as originally expressed'.- "The Cannon of Scripture", F.F. Bruce, P. 45-46 . Original source is Prologue to Sirach 1:21-26"Reading a poem in translation is like kissing a woman through a veil."- Bialik“A satisfactory translation is not always possible, but a good translator is never satisfied with it. It can usually be improved. (Newmark)” - Peter Newmark, Manual De Traduccion / A Textbook of Translation"It is not possible to reproduce the delicate turns of thought, the nuances of language, in translation. The freshness of the strawberry cannot be preserved in any extract. This is inevitable" - The Minister and His Greek New Testament (1923), p. 17 Page of similar quotes - http://translation.utdallas.edu...Further resources:"TRANSLATOR,TRADITOR: THE INTERPRETER AS TRAITOR IN CLASSICAL TRADITION" : http://www.academia.edu..."Language differences in qualitative research: is meaning lost in translation?" : http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov..."Omnis Traductor Traditor!" : http://www.affectedbytruth.com..."Untranslatability": http://en.wikipedia.org...More examples:http://www.omniglot.com...http://blogthebigword.wordpress.com...---------------------------------------------------------Verses of the New testament that indicate that Jesus is/was not God:"Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good"except God alone." - Matthew 19:17 & Mark 10:18Jesus said "My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will."-Matthew 26:39My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? - Matthew 27:46 & Mark 15:34 Speaking of the last day Jesus said "But of That Day or That Hour knows no man, neither the angels, nor the son, but only the father" - Mark 13:32Jesus sat on the right hand of God. - Mark 16:19 & Colossians 3:1 & 1 Peter 3:21-22"Then He distanced himself from them about a stone throw away, then he knelt down to pray dab his words: "O my Father, if you are willing, take this cup than me... Then an angel from heaven appeared to him to give strength unto Him. He was very frightened and prayed more earnestly..." - Luke 22:41-44 "I can do nothing on my own authority; as I hear, I judge, and my judgement is just, because I seek not my own will, but the will of Him who sent me" - John 5:30 Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me - John 7:16I have many things to say and to judge of you: but he that sent me is true; and I speak to the world those things which I have heard of him. - John 8:26But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God - John 8:40Jesus says - "For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak." - John 12:49 but the Father's which sent me. - John 14:24"The Father is greater than I." - John 14:28"I ascend to My Father and to your Father, My God and to your God." - John 20:17"Jesus of Nazareth was a man" - Acts 2:22 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus. - 1 Timothy 2:5Jesus was lower than the Angles - Hebrews 2:9-------------------------------------From Pope Benedict XVI and the church:"... It is of course possible to read the Old Testament so that it is not directed toward Christ; it does not point quite unequivocally to Christ. And if Jews cannot see the promises as being fulfilled in him, this is not just ill will on their part, but genuinely because of the obscurity of the texts and the tension in the relationship between these texts and the figure of Jesus. Jesus brings a new meaning to these texts – yet it is he who first gives them their proper coherence and relevance and significance.There are perfectly good reasons, then, for denying that the Old Testament refers to Christ and for saying, No, that is not what he said.And there are also good reasons for referring it to him – that is what the dispute between Jews and Christians is about....” - God and the World: Believing and Living in Our Time - Pope Benedict XVI - Page 209"... For to read the Bible as Judaism does necessarily involves an implicit acceptance of all its presuppositions, that is, the full acceptance of what Judaism is, in particular, the authority of its writings and rabbinic traditions, which exclude faith in Jesus as Messiah and Son of God....for Christians can and ought to admit that the Jewish reading of the Bible is a possible one, in continuity with the Jewish Sacred Scriptures from the Second Temple period, a reading analogous to the Christian reading which developed in parallel fashion. Both readings are bound up with the vision of their respective faiths, of which the readings are the result and expression. Consequently, both are irreducible. - THE PONTIFICAL BIBLICAL COMMISSION - "The Jewish People and their Sacred Scriptures in the Christian Bible" - Section II, A,7: "“I have ever more come to the realization that Judaism (which, strictly speaking, begins the end of the formation of the canon, that is, in the first century after Christ) and the Christian faith described in the New Testament are two ways of appropriating Israel’s Scriptures, two ways that, in the end, are both determined by the position one assumes with regard to the figure of Jesus of Nazereth. The Scripture we today call Old Testament is in itself open to both ways. For the most part, only after the Second World War did we begin to understand that the Jewish interpretation, too, in the time ‘after Christ’, of course possesses a theological mission of its own.”"Milestones: Memoirs, 1927-1977" - Pope Benedict XVI ------------------------------------Additional resources:Books:Books by By Professor Bart D. Ehrman such as; "How Jesus Became God: The Exaltation of a Jewish Preacher from Galilee" "Misquoting Jesus: The Story Behind Who Changed the Bible and Why""From Jesus to Paul" by Joseph Klausner, translated by William F Stinespring"The real messiah? A Jewish Response to Missionaries" By Rabbi Aryeh Kaplan "Let's Get Biblical! Why Doesn't Judaism Accept the Christian Messiah?" By Tovia Singer"Why the Jews Rejected Jesus: The Turning Point in Western History" By David KlinghofferWeb:Jewish anti-missionary sites:http://jewsforjudaism.org...http://thejewishhome.org...http://outreachjudaism.org...http://countermissionary.org...http://www.judaismsanswer.com...http://www.whatjewsbelieve.org...Contain lists of links to similar sites:http://www.aishdas.org...http://www.hareshima.com...Other relevant pages:http://ohr.edu...http://www.aish.com...http://en.wikipedia.org...http://en.wikipedia.org...http://en.wikipedia.org...https://sites.google.com...http://www.evilbible.com...http://www.city-data.com...http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com...