Does God Exist? Part 3

Hello again, thank you for your quick reply, but I think you skipped a lot of my arguments. *I agree, but defining the meaning of words is a nearly impossible. *I said that we are talking in God in general, yes, and not whether Christianity is the right religion. One of the parts of this discussion is about Christianity, and I think my basic knowledge of Christianity is enough for debating this topic. I only said that because every time I popped up a quote from the old testament, you said it's not valid because it's not from the new one, so I said that I haven't read the new testament so I can't quote from it. That's all. I think we should leave this aside, for it is tedious and unimportant. *No, Atheism doesn't have to supply an explanation to 'HOW THINGS WORK', 'It answers questions about origin, meaning, morality, and destiny' That's religion. Atheism says that there is no God. Period. That's what separates atheism from religion. Not all atheists have the same worldview. We agree on just one single thing, most of us also agree on things that come from this idea, but not all of us. My triangle example comes from the same place as the ancient Egypt example. It doesn't support Agnosticism. My point was, that we don't know everything. I don't know what was the origin of the universe, for example, but yet I do know that God doesn't exist, and there is no contradiction. That's it. And a tip - never call an atheist an agnostic. *No, you actually can't. You can't say that 'there is no proof in atheism'. Because Atheism is a rejection of belief, you can't say 'it has no proof'. Nobody ever became atheist because he read a book and says:' well, atheists define morality better, so I want to be an atheist.' it's never ever that. It comes from rejection. Think of it that way: pretend God doesn't exist. Can you bring proof now to Atheism? You see atheism as very immoral ? I would LOVE an example of why you think atheism is immoral. Why do you think it's understandable why somebody will choose to reject God ? Many atheists live 'in the closet' for years, because their family is religious, their surrounding is religious, because it is uncommon, because they're afraid to be different, because they're afraid that people will look at them differently. PLEASE DON'T OVERLOOK THESE POINTS! knowing definitions are true - it's just a circle. You believe that you are right because your belief tells you you are right. I think you can understand the problem here. You're saying that I don't know if my morality and definitions are true, but you know just as good as me. How do you know that the morality your God taught you is the right one, and the morality another God taught another person is wrong ? I have never said that morality isn't subjective. About homosexuality: When two guys engage in a sexual relationship in their home, while they don't hurt each other or anybody else, there is no need of judging them. You are saying very dangerous things. I think our jobs comes only when those actions apply to us. I think it's just fine to lie to your friends that you're busy instead of saying you don't want to meet with them today, because the result is that you don't hurt them. In this case, it depends on the relationship of course, but I think we can both agree there's a difference between this lying, and lying to your friend that John took his cellphone, because the result is that you hurt both the friend and John. See my point? Murder hurts another person. Suicide hurts yourself. I don't think we should judge people who take their own lives, especially in cases where they do it to prevent pain and suffering, but we should try to prevent self murder because in many cases it comes from social issues, and it is from our duty to try and save those people, because they will probably regret it. racism and bombing hurts the other. We should judge the lifestyle of a polygamist, just because almost if not all cases like this go pretty much hand in hand with a violation of women rights. I don't think there is a single woman who wants to live in this sort of lifestyle, and these women are used, it hurts women. A racist supports racism, which hurts other people. I think if a man chooses to get drunk in his own home, while he's not driving or being a threat to other people, then why should I care? We should warn them that drinking too much causes health problems and sometimes death, but I don't think banning alcohol is the solution, if that's what you're suggesting :) Al Qaeda and the Taliban HURT other people, that's why it's our business. If this is your logic, I can understand now why you believe in God. Gossip DOES hurt other people! Cheating and lying also! (in general), selfishness, I don't think is 'wrong'. Certain things that selfish people do are wrong, and that character isn't very likable, but it itself is not wrong. We should judge the Nazis because they hurt other people. I appreciate it that you're focusing on morality, but you're making wrong conclusions. My point was that your first 3 reasons for belief can be found in every religion, and only the 4th applies to Christianity, the religion you chose. You are not saying, and I quote: 'My point in listing all the historical and eyewitness evidence was not to prove that Christianity is truer than Islam or Judaism', so actually all the reasons for belief you gave me don't explain why you chose Christianity and not Islam or Judaism. Please provide better reasons. As I explained earlier, I would VERY much like you to answer all my questions, so I will copy them to here again: *Why do you think your morality is the 'right' one, as you stated in your entry? You have just as much proof as every religion. *You said that Christianity exists for many many years, and if it wasn't true, it would have disappeared. Christianity is about as old as Islam. Buddhism is 500-600 years OLDER than Christianity, and many many people still believe in that religion today. How do you explain that? *According to Christianity, hell is for non-Christians, and is supposed to be a very evil place, to make people suffer, which I also find immoral. Why would God make a man who lived as a good person and never harmed a human being suffer? What is the purpose of that? It actually reminds me a lot of the holocaust. People were punished suffering and death just because of their religion. It didn't matter what they did. God is a Nazi according to religion, Christianity included. Christianity is indeed, very moral (sarcasm). * There's a problem with Christianity. You said so yourself - every crime is equal to another. I don't think a man who raped his daughter is equivalent to a man who stole an apple from the grocery. Please also explain why we should forgive, for example, a man who raped his daughter. *Christianity says that we are all sinners, meaning sin is a natural thing - just like walking, talking and breathing, yet 'sin' is a bad thing. We can both agree walking, talking and breathing isn't 'bad' or 'good', it's a fact, it's just is. If God punishes for sin, why can't he punish for breathing or acting human? *According to Christianity Jesus 'died for humanity's sins'. If the Christian God exists, then he actually PUNISHED his son for: A) something that others' did. If this is something moral, then a child can be punished for what his father did. That's exactly the same thing. That 'morality' DOESN'T match up with mine. B) something natural. I just said why I think this makes no sense. C) Something he has no control of. I don't think there is need of a further explanation. PLEASE ANSWER EVERYTHING. Thank you again, waiting for your respond entry.