We should allow illegal immigrants to stay

I will respond to each piece of your argument sequentially. 1) "This is not real debate" *glances up at corner of screen* *the corner reads "Debate.org"* Con, if you will not accept this as a valid debate, what will you accept? Do you want us to stand up on stage behind podiums and have this discussion? By asserting that this entire debate is not valid, you have /invalidated your entire argument/ and nothing would have been resolved. I, for one, believe this debate /is/ valid and I will continue accordingly. 2)"Blacks and Hispanics or more likely to kill whites" Since you did not accept the FBI as a trustworthy source, I'll point to this one instead; statistics on Homicide in the US, provided by the US Department of Justice - organized by race on page 11 and 12 http://www.bjs.gov... "84% of White victims were killed by Whites from 1980 through 2008" I would like to point you to figure 19, which clearly shows - while it is true that black criminals will commit homicide against white victims, than white criminals on black victims - both of these relations are dwarfed by the sheer amount of black on black and white on white violence, which run nearly concurrently. I would like to point out that the DOJ does not collect data on Hispanic and Latin@ criminals, and instead includes them under White. But this is easily accounted for: In 2013, 9.11% of US citizens reported their ethnicity as "mixed" or "some other race". If we assume that all of these people are Hispanic, (again, a gross overestimation), and if we assume the homicide rates are proportional to population, then that means only 7.56% of those White victims were killed by Hispanic criminals. Even if we assume that Hispanics kill Whites exactly as much as Blacks kill Whites (in other words, about 3 times as likely as white on Black homicide) this percentage only rises to 22% - still dwarfed by the sheer amount of White on White violence. 3) I would also just like to return to what you said previously, that blacks and Hispanics are more fertile than whites: these are the fertility rates of the ethnic groups of the US, by race. "1.948 for White Americans (including White Hispanics) 1.791 for non-Hispanic Whites 1.972 for Black Americans (including Black Hispanics) 1.958 for non-Hispanic Blacks 1.404 for Native Americans (including Hispanics) 1.689 for Asian Americans (including Hispanics) 2.350 for Hispanics (of all racial groups) (Note that ~95% of Hispanics are included as "white Hispanics" by CDC, which does not recognize the Census' "Some other race" category and counts people in that category as white" ergo: White Hispanics count as whites, therefore white fertility is just as high as Hispanic and black fertility. 4) "The FBI works with the government so it's obviously gonna lie" http://www.fedsmith.com... According to this source, "In FY 2010, there were over 2.8 million people employed by the federal government... Of that total: 65.4% were White," 65% of the Federal workforce is white. Are you not trusting your own race? Which, I assume, would be important to you. http://www.pewresearch.org... This source says that one in five members of Congress is a racial minority. One in five! That doesn't even specify /which/ minority yet, just that it's not white. That's 20% of the 114th Congress being Not-White. Do you trust Congress? My point here is that there is a lot of white people working for the US government. Like, a lot. Nearly 1.8 million, according to my first source there. Why would the government - which is primarily white - lie in favor of racial minorities? 5) "look at your profile picture" Ad hominem attack. Directed against the person rather than the position they occupy. Not that you care, but my profile picture is from the lovely new video game Undertale by Toby Fox - the moral of which is that mercy is always the best route. 6)"Debates are not won with logic. Or I'd win every time" I'm sorry, can you point to me the logic in your three arguments? I've searched as best I can, but I simply can't find it. And furthermore, if debates are not won with logic, what exactly are they won with? Stirring up fears by making a controversial assertion and then raving about it while providing no evidence to support your claims? You know, Donald Trump should hire you for PR. You still have not invalidated the reasons I gave in my first response for why illegal immigrants should be allowed to stay. This debate is over.