I call BS on Christianity".

You state openly that you are not a Christian which means you personally do not place enough value on Christian values in order to cause you to believe. Since you are arguing proxy for Christendom and you deny this part of Christendom yourself, I now cite you as an example why Christianity values are nothing more than BS. IN short, if Christianity and its values aren"t good enough to make you accept them and believe, then the audience and myself need not consider them any further. Resolution solved. Answer: Your logic is so very circular here. I state Jesus is absent in history. You counter with Jesus does exist, so I have to accept it as a part of history and furthermore I have to accept the values that he taught in that history. Reads like complete nonsense".. Jesus has no history, Jesus therefore taught nothing. Resolution resolved. The bible is not a historical relevant collation historically and cannot be used for claiming historical events. [" The bible as you know it appeared hundreds of years after the claim life of Jesus." Dann posts: I appreciate that the biblical accounts of Jesus don't meet the exacting standards of modern day verification, nor even of their more advanced, more civilised contemporaries, but the passing down of history and of story's through the oral tradition " Chase answers: If there are no first hand contemporary historical accounts of Jesus (like you just admitted) then YES, Jesus has no history and every rendering that claims to be a historical account should be erased for the falsehood it represents. Chase answers: Your words Dann, "The existence of Jesus is not refuted by the majority of historians." Okay Dann, by your own admission some historians do indeed refute the existence of Jesus as you just stated. Then your burden of proof seems clear, please provide evidence/sources that prove the historians that do disagree with the existence of Jesus are wrong".until then all I have to do is call BS. Then Dann states:" His existence is generally accepted as historical fact, supported by the accounts of Josephus and Tacitus" Chase answers: Josephus and Tacitus are not contemporaries of Jesus, and therefore cannot render historical accounts. Chase answer: If we momentarily indulge that Jesus was real idea let"s see what kind of god/man Jesus was. Jesus as god".. the all-powerful and all-knowing god rapes a little 12 year old girl named Marry so that she can give birth to god (This doesn"t seem very nice now does it) so god can commit suicide (if he is god and cannot die then how does this work again?) and forgive the sins that he unjustly imposed on someone named Adam. I got a question for this criminally inclined god, god why do you have to rape a little girl to be born? Sorry god, that"s two questions isn"t it. Why rape a little girl and why do you have to be born? If you are god then are you not powerful enough just to appear without rape and without needing to be born? Sounds more like god needed an excuse for rape than anything else". Evil god/Jesus and their values as written in scripture. Out of the mouth of the most High proceedeth not evil and good? Wherefore doth a living man complain, a man for the punishment of his sins?" (Lamentations 3: 38-39) This passage makes note that god isn"t being evil at this time, meaning god is at times evil. The bible seems clear in saying if god lays out evil for you, you as a believer must now endure this evil because it is from god. "And it came to pass, when the evil spirit from God was upon Saul, that David took an harp, and played with his hand: so Saul was refreshed, and was well, and the evil spirit departed from him." (I Samuel 16:23) Here the evil that is gods" spirit is described, god professes murder and has created and evil to carry it out. "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things." (Isaiah 45:7) So god boasts of his evil nature". God rejoices your death "And it shall come to pass, that as the LORD rejoiced over you to do you good, and to multiply you; so the LORD will rejoice over you to destroy you, and to bring you to nought; and ye shall be plucked from off the land whither thou goest to possess it." (Deuteronomy 28:63) God & Satan The Same? "AND Satan stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel." (I Chronicles 21:1) "AND again the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel, and he moved David against them to say, Go, number Israel and Judah." (II Samuel 24:1) Now we read about Jesus commanding his followers to buy swords: "He said to them, 'But now if you have a purse, take it and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one. (Luke 22:36)" "Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. And a man's foes shall be they of his own household." (Matthew 10:34-37) Look out, Jesus is spoiling for a fight! Jesus killing his enemies: "So I will cast her on a bed of suffering, and I will make those who commit adultery with her suffer intensely, unless they repent of her ways. I will strike her children dead. Then all the churches will know that I am he who searches hearts and minds, and I will repay each of you according to your deeds. (From the NIV Bible, Revelation 2:22-23)" WOW!!!! Jesus is really concerned over sex outside of marriage".unless it"s god/Jesus doing the raping. Wait, false alarm, god is a sex pervert after all. Moses' Commands for pedophilia against 3-year old slave girls do count against the Bible! "....The Tanna"tic Midrash Sifre to Numbers in "157 comments on the above quoted commandment of MOSES to kill the Midianite women as well as the male children...." "....According to the Tanna"te Rabbis, MOSES therefore had ordered the Israelites to kill all women older than three years and a day, because they were "suitable for having sexual relations." [138]...." "Said Rabbi Joseph, "Come and take note: A girl three years and one day old is betrothed by intercourse....." "A girl three years and one day old is betrothed by intercourse. "A girl three years old may be betrothed through an act of sexual intercourse," the words of R. Meir. And sages say, "Three years and one day old."....." I know, I know what about Jesus, what would he do? Let"s look at evil bible dot com. This sight is admittedly a little over the top, but anyone that wishes to use the excuse that theses scriptures are not true because they are taken out of context better realize that there are 38000 Christian denominations all claiming the other 37999 denominations have taken the bible out of context making the previous statement about context both irrational and irrelevant. Advocate child abuse and murder amongst many other cruelties. Christians are always claiming, "he"s the lamb", "our savior", "the king of peace", "the embodiment of love", amongst the many other names they associate with a loving, merciful nature. Jesus a nice guy? Not in my book. Nor in any other person"s who is capable of compassion and rationality. Let"s examine who the hell the Jesus character really is. These verses will show not only is Jesus" "loving" nature a joke but so are the Christians who worship him. Jesus" real mission to come to earth: Jesus says that he has come to destroy families by making family members hate each other. He has "come not to send peace, but a sword." Matthew 10:34 Jesus says, "Don"t imagine that I came to bring peace on earth! No, rather a sword lf you love your father, mother, sister, brother, more than me, you are not worthy of being mine. "The real beauty of this verse is that Jesus demands people truly love him more then they love their own family. I ask you how can we love someone that we can not see or interact with? Love is an emotion pertaining to physical existence not to faithful ideologies, yet God threatens you with Death just because your love for your mother maybe stronger than your love for him. Matthew 10:34 Families will be torn apart because of Jesus. "Brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death." Matthew 10:21 Jesus strongly approves of the law and the prophets. He hasn"t the slightest objection to the cruelties of the Old Testament. Matthew 5:17 Jesus advocates murder and death: Jesus condemns entire cities to dreadful deaths and to the eternal torment of hell because they didn"t care for his preaching. Matthew 11:20 Jesus, whose clothes are dipped in blood, has a sharp sword sticking out of his mouth. Thus attired, he treads the winepress of the wrath of God. (The winepress is the actual press that humans shall be put into so that we may be ground up.) Revelations 19:13-15 The beast and the false prophet are cast alive into a lake of fire. The rest of us the unchosen will be killed with the sword of Jesus. "An all the fowls were filled with their flesh." Revelations 19:20-21 Jesus says he is the only way to salvation yet he purposely disillusions us so that we will go to hell: Jesus explains that the reason he speaks in parables is so that no one will understand him, "lest . . . they . . . should understand . . . and should be converted, and I should heal them." Matthew 13:10-15 Jesus explains why he speaks in parables to confuse people so they will go to hell. Mark 4:11-12 Jesus advocates child abuse: Jesus is criticized by the Pharisees for not washing his hands before eating. He defends himself by attacking them for not killing disobedient children according to the commandment: "He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death." Matthew 15:4-7 Abandon your wife and children for Jesus and he"ll give your a big reward. Jesus asks that his followers abandon their children to follow him. To leave your child is abuse, it"s called neglect, pure and simple. Matthew 19:29 Jesus criticizes the Jews for not killing their disobedient children according to Old Testament law. Mark 7:9 A few other things about Jesus: Jesus says that those who have been less fortunate in this life will have it even worse in the life to come. Mark 4:25 Jesus sends the devils into 2000 pigs, causing them to jump off a cliff and be drowned in the sea. Clearly Jesus could have simply sent the devils out, yet he chose instead to place them into pigs and kill them. This is called animal abuse. Mark 5:12-13 Jesus kills a fig tree for not bearing figs, even though it was out of season. Jesus must not be as smart as Christians would have us believe, for he was retarded enough to do something this silly. You"d think the son of god (god incarnate) would know that trees don"t bear fruit in dry season. Mark 11:13 Luke 12:47 Jesus okays beating slaves. Jesus says, "Don"t imagine that I came to bring peace on earth! No, rather a sword lf you love your father, mother, sister, brother, more than me, you are not worthy of being mine. "The real beauty of this verse is that Jesus demands people truly love him more then they love their own family. I ask you how can we love someone that we can not see or interact with? Love is an emotion pertaining to physical existence not to faithful ideologies, yet God threatens you with Death just because your love for your mother maybe stronger than your love for him. Matthew 10:34 Families will be torn apart because of Jesus. "Brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death." Matthew 10:21 Jesus strongly approves of the law and the prophets. He hasn"t the slightest objection to the cruelties of the Old Testament. Matthew 5:17 Jesus advocates murder and death: Jesus condemns entire cities to dreadful deaths and to the eternal torment of hell because they didn"t care for his preaching. Matthew 11:20 Jesus, whose clothes are dipped in blood, has a sharp sword sticking out of his mouth. Thus attired, he treads the winepress of the wrath of God. (The winepress is the actual press that humans shall be put into so that we may be ground up.) Revelations 19:13-15 The beast and the false prophet are cast alive into a lake of fire. The rest of us the unchosen will be killed with the sword of Jesus. "An all the fowls were filled with their flesh." Revelations 19:20-21 Jesus says he is the only way to salvation yet he purposely disillusions us so that we will go to hell: Jesus explains that the reason he speaks in parables is so that no one will understand him, "lest . . . they . . . should understand . . . and should be converted, and I should heal them." Matthew 13:10-15 Jesus explains why he speaks in parables to confuse people so they will go to hell. Mark 4:11-12 Jesus advocates child abuse: Jesus is criticized by the Pharisees for not washing his hands before eating. He defends himself by attacking them for not killing disobedient children according to the commandment: "He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death." Matthew 15:4-7 Abandon your wife and children for Jesus and he"ll give your a big reward. Jesus asks that his followers abandon their children to follow him. To leave your child is abuse, it"s called neglect, pure and simple. Matthew 19:29 Jesus criticizes the Jews for not killing their disobedient children according to Old Testament law. Mark 7:9 A few other things about Jesus: Jesus says that those who have been less fortunate in this life will have it even worse in the life to come. Mark 4:25 Jesus sends the devils into 2000 pigs, causing them to jump off a cliff and be drowned in the sea. Clearly Jesus could have simply sent the devils out, yet he chose instead to place them into pigs and kill them. This is called animal abuse. Mark 5:12-13 Jesus kills a fig tree for not bearing figs, even though it was out of season. Jesus must not be as smart as Christians would have us believe, for he was retarded enough to do something this silly. You"d think the son of god (god incarnate) would know that trees don"t bear fruit in dry season. Mark 11:13 Luke 12:47 Jesus okays beating slaves. See the remainder of this evil list of values on the comments page"..