death penalty

" just because most Americans are pro-death penalty does not mean that we should do what they say. 139 countries having abolished it after using capital punishment for 10 or more years compared to 58 nations actively using it today. " I already said this. But since you are so argumentitiveon this than I will talk about it.1. America is a politity, and much ofthe time majority rules. And if there is that much of a gap, than the majority should prevail. Many educated people are on each side of the isle, but in America Majority rules.2. Yes you are correct most nations do not have the DP. But America is not other nations, so since America is its own soverign nation then it should disragard other nations, and do what the people want to be done. A goverment for the people and by the people. So that argument is basically ill thought out. (sorry if that sounds rude, it was supposed to be constructive critisism =) ) So since in America it is a goverment for the people by the people, that the majority of Americans being for it is a good argument, due to the fact that this debate is about the american DP laws."How does capital punishment save lives? Is my opponent honestly saying that because the USA allows death penalties that it prevents crime? Crime is the greatest in the USA even though the USA have the death penalty and executed the 5thmost people in the world recently."1. It saves lives because people that are incarnated can never kill again, and if they are on LWOP (look at early rounds to see what that means) than they kill inmates and guards, and sometimes are let out. So the DP saves lives because it prevents deaths of fellow inmates, and proson guards, and if let out, other innocent civilians. FOr examples of people on LWOP being let out look at :http://www.prodeathpenalty.com...2. The USA does not have the highest crime rates. This article is about canada and guns, but it shows that their crime rate vs the us, the US has a 50% lower crime rate: http://archive.newsmax.com... Now you say say that crimetologists the DP doesn't have an effect on the crime, look at this. Notice that when executions hit zero, murder rises. When executions begin again, then murders start to drop. So crimetologist or not, the Bureu of ciminal justice shows that more executions = fewer murders. Also lets look at basic deterence theory. How capital punishment affects murder rates can be explained through general deterrence theory, which supposes that increasing the risk of apprehension and punishment for crime deters individuals from committing crime. Nobel laureate Gary S. Becker's seminal 1968 study of the economics of crime assumed that individuals respond to the costs and benefits of committing crime. [1]So MOST, not all, but MOST crimnals look at the pros and cons, and if death is a con then you are less likely to commit murder because thats a huge con. 97% of criminals are crazy, beyond belif and will kill no matter what [2]So that 97% can be detered, only 3% will do it no matter what. The DP will deter a large portion of that 97%, and nothing will deter the 3%. So looking at the facts, the DP will most definatly deter crime. "3rd of all, the death penalty doesn't actually give any closure to victim families."Well even that can be explained easily. Someone murdered your mother (god forbid), wou you rather the murderer lived to keep killing or was put to death. Sure nothing will bring the victem back to life, but it would help speed up a small recovery. It wont ever fully help you get 'healed', but it will help you say "hey justiceis served". I see you argued that it doesnt, but I will ell you how:Have you ever heard may the punishment fit the crime? An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth? Well the DP does all of that. f you kill someone, that so match that doesnt killing them make sense? Also an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth. Same consept, if you kill, may you be killed is what that means. The bible says that too only christians should count that as an argument). So it does serve justice. You also argue that the bible doesnt say pro death penalty things, then tell me why most protestans are for the DP? And that the bible says it clear as day. Once again, this is a shaky argument that really doesnt apply to either of us, or the voters because the church shouldnt influence laws, but this is to interpretation. Even though the bible says it CLEAR AS DAY. So this argument is...faulty for both of us. And also, Jesus taught us the eye for an eye concept, since that applies to the death penalty then it probably means he is for it or nuteral. Not against. "And you will profane me among my people...killing people who should not die, and keepng people alive who should not live?" Ezek 13:19So this says it offends me that you kill innocents, but let sinners live. So it says we should kill murderers, protect innocents. First, Jesus said: "You have heard that it was said, 'An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.' But I tell you... whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also." Mat. 5:38-39 So return the doings. If someone is nice, be nce, if somone kills, let them be killed. The words of jesus right there man. =) Second, Jesus forgave the woman "caught in adultery, in the very act." To those arguing that she should be put to death, Jesus said: "He who is without sin among you, let him throw a stone at her first." John 8:7 Self-explanatory. Pro DP So overall, the bible says killing murders is ok, but killing innocents is not. You quote thou shall not murder, true, but killing in defence and or retalliation is no sin. The bible above says that kill the murderer, and save the innocents. Also in the movie no guns for jews, which is not racist, it is about jews, it saysthat sinners should be killed. Shraga Simmons, Rabbi and Editor of Aish.com, in a response to "What are the Jewish views on the death penalty?" posted in the "Ask Rabbi Simmons" section of About.com, accessed on July 25, 2008, wrote: "Judaism supports the death penalty, but only when there are at least two eyewitnesses who fully corroborate their testimony, and also that the criminal was warned beforehand that committing this crime could result in the death penalty." Jut a factoid for the ewish people. You say the constition is a bad reason, it is a great reason, it is the law of the land, it trumps state law. But the common abolitionist sys it is not, so I said that with proof as an arguent to counter the con DP people, not a pro argument. =) Just for clarification. COst: Edwin H. Sutherland, PhD, late President of the American Sociological Society, and Donald R. Cressey, PhD, late Professor of Sociology at the University of California, Santa Barbara, in the 1974 revised edition of their book titled Criminology, wrote: "It is not cheaper to keep a criminal confined, because most of the time he will appeal just as much causing as many costs as a convict under death sentence. Being alive and having nothing better to do, he will spend his time in prison conceiving of ever-new habeas corpus petitions, which being unlimited, in effect cannot be rejected as res judicata. The cost is higher." So the DP is cheaperaccording to this study. "And will you profane Me among My people... killing people who should not die, and keeping people alive who should not live...?" Ezek. 13:19http://www.heritage.org... [1]Front Sight Firearms training Institute lectures on criminals and ethics of use of force [2]BibleEdwin H. Sutherland, PhD