Bestiality is NOT abuse in all cases

I would like to thank my opponent for his response: ===CON ARGUMENT #1=== My opponent claims that homosexual activity amongst animals is proof that they engage in pleasurable, non-reproductive sex. However, this is far from the case. I quote his wikipedia article [1] in regards to giraffe mating in that: " Every male that sniffed a female was reported as sex, while anal intercourse with orgasm between males was only "revolving around" dominance, competition or greetings. " Homosexual activities between animals is often for signs of domination and competition. There is no evidence to suggest they find it pleasurable. In terms of it being a greeting, Humans do not find handshakes particularly pleasurable. Furthermore, animals such as Lions only engage in same sex activities whilst in captivity, where they are taken out of their natural habitat. Also, one of the Wikipedia articles he gave states that "Science cannot say at present conclusively what animals do or do not find "pleasurable" 2. My opponent, being the instigator, has burden of proof in that he must show animals do indeed find sex pleasurable. Also, these articles do not reference breeding between two different species, only between same species. Even if Lions find homosexual activities with other Lions pleasurable, it may be that they are attracted to the smell of them, and not find such activities with humans pleasurable. ===CON ARGUMENT #2=== I concede the fact STD's are at risk in any form of sex, however, it is not natural if Humans are allergic to the semen of other animals, a disease known as anaphylaxis [2]. It is an abuse to Humans if they do not know of their allergic reaction to the fluids of animals. C&BT, which my opponent has compared to biting, is not comparable to Animals biting during sex. For one, the man must physically place such a device on his, you know. It is not a natural occurrence. Biting is a natural occurrence in animals. Furthermore, a bite can leave you with an infection. Again, the allergic reaction can occur, making it abusive to Humans, and furthermore, abusive to an animals natural instincts. [1] = http://en.wikipedia.org... [2] = http://en.wikipedia.org... ===PRO:=== >>To the charge that animals give no visible consent for sex, I further beg to differ. Male dogs, a popular household pet, are known to grapple a knee or other part of a human and excitedly attempt to initiate sexual contact with a human. I do not see how this could not be determined to be giving very visible consent for sex -- the dog is attempting to initiate sex with a human! I have also seen female dogs 'present' themselves to a human they feel affection for, and unless Con can somehow prove that they do not, I assert that if you accept this as being possible, at least, then I have successfully refuted this rebuttal.<< ===REBUTTAL:=== Even if animals give consent to sex, it is often an unknown gesture to the owner. Furthermore, certain gestures can be misinterpreted. At that point it is rape. Furthermore, Dogs, Cats, etc. cannot enter into a formal agreement of sex. Apart from certain gestures, they cannot give a verbal or written agreement, like Humans, for sex. If a female touches a man's arm seductively, it does not mean she wants sex. If a man was to engage in sex with her at that point, it would be rape. If animals cannot give a visible agreement to sex, then it is rape, and therefore abuse. ===PRO:=== >>Further, in regards to anatomical differences, certainly accepting penetration from a dolphin would be challenging given my understanding of dolphin anatomy (rather well-endowed compared with a human; they are much larger mammals of course), but given that, the counter would not be impossible; one need not be an expert to reason that if a male dolphin is indeed much more endowed in penis size than a human, that female dolphins could most definitely accomodate a penis much larger than humans have, and thus a human penis would not be over-sized. Other forms of contact would also be possible, for instance a "hand job" to the male dolphin.<< ===REBUTTAL:=== In regards for Humans engaging in sex with Dolphins, again, Dolphin cannot give formal consent to such acts. Unless a Dolphin can give a sign they wish to engage in sex with a Human, then it should be taken it's rape. I await my opponents response.