Reformed Theology (Calvinism)

"Ok, So when context limits something, It should explicitly say, "hey, All here doesn't mean all"? Show what the context means before rebutting someone else's view! "I never said that, But there is no indication that he is limiting the "all. " You can't simply assume that he is because it supports your point, You have to back it up. "You haven't explained what Proverbs 16:4 means. If this verse does not support my view, What does it mean? "It's not my job to explain every verse, All I need to do is rebut your points and back up my own. "You seem to be implying that unbelievers want to come to God naturally, Which is surely false"So that means that God creates people so that they CANNOT go to God naturally. That's my point. ALL they know is sin. "No offense, But be more clear and try to understand what I'm actually saying, Instead of repeatedly using straw men to debunk me. He doesn't sentence people to hell just because He created them. Obviously! That is not what I believe! Proverbs says he made them for the "day of trouble. " read the verse! He didn't create them to sin, He created them, And they were afterwards affected by it. "I was not straw manning. YOU literally just said that THEY CANNOT GO TO GOD NATURALLY. Since God created them and WILL NOT ALLOW THEM TO CHOOSE HIM, ALL they can do is SIN. They HAVE NO CHOICE. "As for the verse in Romans (no excuse) does this mean people can be saved without hearing the gospel? "Yes. "If you are willing to use Albert Barnes to prove your points, Don't pick and choose what to believe of his and what not to. You'll agree with his interpretation there, But not other verses that he believes show Calvinism! "I was not, I was pointing out that a respected figure of YOUR faith disagrees with what YOU said. "As for 1 Peter, THE WORD YOU IS THE ANTECEDENT! I'm not wrong if you don't understand simple grammar! Peter says that He is patient towards you, not wishing that any (antecedent, Context, Indicate of you) should perish. Peter is writing to believers, So it would make no sense to randomly say all without an antecedent! "YOU IS A PRONOUN. WHAT PRONOUNS REFER TO ARE ANTECEDENTS. And you say I don't understand simple grammar? Again, I was talking about SECOND Peter, Not FIRST Peter. In that scripture, There is NO indication that they are limiting the "you" to any specific group of people. You did not show where you got this supposed antecedent from, But "you" is a pronoun. "Yes! Everyone who believes, Won't perish! Logic agrees! It doesn't mean all can believe, It just says all that will believe will not perish! Again, I can't help you with simple grammar. Whoever is gonna believe, Is gonna believe! "Precisely, So those who God WON'T ALLOW TO CHOOSE JESUS CANNOT GO TO HEAVEN, And they HAVE TO SIN. Christians are the ONLY ones who can CHOOSE to sin by YOUR logic. "Why does everyone have to have a choice? Did you get to choose your intelligence, Or your looks, Or your stubborness, Or where you were born, Or how cool you are? "This is a straw man. None of those things have to do with a choice. Second of all, If you don't have a choice like YOU just said, The ONLY thing you can do is SIN. But then God is punishing us for the ONLY thing that we can do? "Here's an analogy that illustrates my problem with your belief: God is a scientist. He has the cure for sin (salvation). He goes to a graveyard. The people there are dead in their sins. He lays it on a table for them, And says as loudly as He can (to spiritually dead people) COME, TAKE OF MY EVERLASTING LIFE, BELIEVE IN MY SON! No one comes, Because they are spiritually unable to. Hopefully this illustrates a point. "EXACTLY, THIS PROVES MY POINT. NONE of them can come to him, So he lets SOME. But then he throws the others in hell, Even though they COULDN'T choose him in the first place becaue he NEVER LET THEM. They LITERALLY COULD NOT BUT IN YOUR VIEW HE STILL PUNISHES THEM FOR IT. "You didn't answer my question. Why are people paying for sins in hell that Jesus died for? After all, It says in John 2:2: And He is the propitiation for our sins, And not for ours only, But also for those of the whole world. "Because they refuse to acknowledge him or to accept his gift. "What does it mean in 1 Peter when it talks about confirming your election? "I'm not sure what you're asking here. Confirming an "elect" is your point. What does Romans 9 mean when it says, "Esau I hated, But Jacob I loved? "This was referring to the nations of Israel and Edom, Both of those men's descendants. God was showing how, Even though Esau was the first born, He could do whatever he wanted through whomever he wanted, AKA, Using Jacob to eventually birth Jesus. The "elect" were the Jews, The ones chosen to continue the line all the way to Mary, And obviously after that, Jesus. "We will disregard perserverance of saints for now, These arguments we are going at now are enough"Unless you run out of characters, Please respond to everything.