God exists

1.)Allowing and creating are two different things. //"IF you want my personal definition of suffering I would say that it is harm."// That is your personal definition. That doesn"t mean it is true. Personally I agree so we will go with it. //"You suffer when something is being done to you (you are harmed), you suffer the consequences when you do something to others (bring harm upon yourself), and others suffer when you do something to them (you cause harm to them)."// So what is your point? You"re proving that God doesn"t exist. This does not prove he doesn"t exist. You are admitting that humans bring suffering on themselves, not God. //"The god of the bible is omnibenevolent sand therefore cannot cause harm or suffering OR allow it. There are tons of examples where he does this as I have said before. I know suffering is real and that is a major reason why I question the Christian God existence."// You know suffering is real? How do you know? By who"s standards? Without God, suffering is just an opinion and is non-existent. For example, you say someone who is sick is suffering. I say he is not suffering. Who is right? Who decides who is right? Without someone who can decide this, you cannot say anything for a fact. He can allow it when it"s a punishment. Adam and Eve sinned and brought suffering on themselves. He did not create it. We created it. 2.)//"He had complete control unlike I have with my kid. My statement is god is perfect, and he could not create that thing in Adam and eve that would cause imperfection and make them WANT to turn on him in the first place."// God created perfection. We created imperfection. God is perfect because he created perfection. We are not perfect because we created imperfection. Please be more specific on what you mean by "that thing in Adam and Eve" that would make them want to turn on God. 3.)//"You"re saying things have to happen in order for god to know about them? That still doesn't counter my point that he KNEW that the human race was going to fail BEFORE it happened. You're just saying it HAD to happen in order for him to know it was going to happen? That is not all knowing, but the Christian god is said to be in the bible."// God knows everything. Let"s say for example that I"m going to go and walk to school. He knows I"m going to walk to school. Now let"s say I"m not going to walk to school. Even though it hasn"t happened, he knows it won"t happen. For him to know something will happen, it has to happen. If it never does, he knew it wouldn"t happen. He knows everything whether it happens or not. 4.)In the second round you said //"Judges 1:19 And the Lord was with Judah; and he drive out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron. Could not drive out chariots of iron? This god created the universe! He created iron! Yet he cannot drive them out? Another thing to ponder is why is there still evil in the world? If god is all powerful and omnibenevolent he cannot allow evil to exist and should be able to stop it, but he doesn't. It makes no sense to leave it in the world because that causes suffering and that would not make him omnibenevolent. If he can"t get rid of it then he is not all powerful. He does not exist."// I said //"I don"t think you understand the moral of the story. You really think god can"t physically move it? Of course he can. It never says he can"t physically move it."// I should have been clearer. God can move anything. Let me give an example of what he means by he can"t do it. For example god can"t make us love him. But he can. He can"t because he promises he won"t. God obviously can do anything, but sometimes he chooses not to. After Noah"s ark, he promised he would never flood the Earth again. Now in a way he can and in a way he cant. Obviously he can if he wanted to, but he is not a liar, therefore in our eyes he can"t. 5.)//"Yes science is pretty sure about the age of the earth and the beautiful thing about science is that it could be wrong!"// Thank you? //"Unlike religion and Christianity that claim to know everything already, science when GIVEN EVIDENCE can change its mind."// So we can"t change our mind but scientist can? Maybe it"s because we came to a conclusion and you haven"t? If there"s a chance your wrong, could that mean you"re wrong? Obviously scientist doesn"t have all the evidence yet, and until they do you can come up with the conclusion that a young Earth is not possible. You cannot say creationism is disproven until you come up with a conclusion yourself. //"The problem with your six day story is that there IS NO evidence at all to support it."// So we don"t have evidence? You admitted that scientist can change their ideas and minds when they get new evidence. They haven"t gotten all the evidence. Therefore both are theories and both can"t disprove God. //"If genesis in not true then it disproves the existence of the BLIBLICAL god, not that there isn't some deist god that created the universe out there. We are debating the Christian god here remember!"// The main belief is that Jesus is god"s son. This is the main belief of Christianity. If Jesus never existed then that could pretty much disprove the Christian God. There are many theories that are possible other than Genesis, which I believe in. 6.)//"The guy created the universe and man, couldn't he since he knew what man was going to do in the future change man? Or make him different?"// Right now you sound like you don"t believe in him because you don"t like the way he works. //"Now it is also true that science has not disproven that a god started the universe, nor can they in the foreseeable future. This DOES NOT mean that your Christian god is real."// Ok, it doesn"t disprove him either. //"With the evidence given we can be very sure the universe wasn't made in six days about 6000ish years ago. This DISPROVES the bible and its god, but there could be some deist god out there that made the universe but doesn't take part in it. Those are two very different gods, and since we are debating the god you picked, science can disprove that one."// "You can be very sure" very sure? That"s not absolutely sure. Evidence that can be wrong doesn"t disprove anything.