Chopsticks vs Forks

Ok, you contradict yourself. You claim that chopsticks are hard to use to shovel in food. Then you state later on that you are proficient with chopsticks. If you are proficient with chopsticks, then you must therefore be good enough that you can eat at a reasonable pace, or you wouldn't consider yourself proficient. Can you please elaborate as to your skill level with chopsticks, as in how you use them. Also, as a separate point, you can't blame people for the tools they use. That would be like blaming the treadmill for making people skinny since using a treadmill is efficient in getting you fit. Therefore, treadmills are worse than walking. Or something ridiculous like that. Here's a better example: It is like blaming the All in one Fitness Machine for making people skinny since it is good at getting people in shape. You cannot blame an inanimate object for a person's problems. That is silly. first off i do not understand how me as a whole relates to the entire population in using chopsticks. but if u need to know i can catch grapes while people toss them at me yes i feel i am good but i still cannot possibly eat with chopsticks as fast i can with a shovel/fork and as for your arguement on not blaming the "tool" yes u are correct about this but the fork is a tool that makes it easier to eat that fast i know it is completely up to the person how fast the person wants to eat heres my example i was argueing this with a classmate and he brought the same thing as you he told me u can't blame the fork its the self control of the person then he told me when he was yound he ate really fast and because of that his parents gave him a tiny fork to use. when he used the tiny fork he was still eating pretty fast but he was getting smaller portions and chopsticks can't go as fast plus u usally get smaller portions so if u understand this example then then u should see that my chopsticks are like his small fork. Also, you refute yourself in your first speech. I'll point that out now. Here's a quote: "well kids these days just don't apreciate that time they share and just shovel their food in as fast as they can." You said it yourself. KIDS DON'T APPRECIATE THE TIME THEY SHARE. And they use tools to increase their ability at not appreciating the time they share. Also, you offer no proof to this claim. So we can disregard your entire argument, so I win this point. im sorry u completely disregarded the portion of speed my arguement, this arguement is the same based on speed so in actuality you have lost this argument and so i win this point I never said that only wooden chopsticks had to be used. I said that for the most part, most chopsticks are made out of wood, and that adversely affects the environment. You really haven't said anything about my point. cause your point did not pertain at all to korean style chopsticks whitch are made of metal 1. Thank you for conceding the point. Also, you offer no proof to your claim. We can therefore disregard it. But just in case you find evidence of this, here's my response: I would like to kindly ask my opponent not to insult my friends. Also, there are many ways to increase hand eye coordination, such as doing sports like baseball, tennis, so on. Using chopsticks isn't the only way. And I'm doubting that too. Plus, forks increase your hand eye coordination. Here's my proof: When you use a fork, you use your eyes to guide your hand to the food. You use your eyes to gather information as to what you should tell your hands to do. Doing this enough increases the ability for your eyes to communicate with your hands, therefore increasing your hand eye coordination. I have just proved that forks also increase hand eye coordination. Therefore, forks and chopsticks are equal in this aspect. i do not understand how u don't see how u cannot tell that chopsticks help to increase your hand eye cordination any activity involving cordinating your hands with what u see the more complicated the task the better it is for your hand eye cordination then in your arguement you compare forks as equal i find u are mistaken you yourself said that the chopsticks are hard to use and so you must have to admit that that chopsticks are superior in this topic (and about ur friend i did not insult him i wondered y u were lieing because a month of practicing it and still not getting it is obviously a exaggeration.) 2. This is my point. Fine, I limited it to America, but my point can be extended to the rest of the world. Imagine yourself going to Japan or Korea. You consider yourself proficient with chopsticks, but while in Japan/ Korea, you meet with a whole bunch of executives. You meet over dinner, and all the other people, having used chopsticks all their lives, are completely proficient and are experts at using chopsticks. You on the other hand, use chopsticks with some confidence, but everyone else clearly sees that your technique is poor. You would just insult everyone by claiming you can use chopsticks, while in fact you cannot use them with the technique and skill of everyone else. Also, there is nothing wrong with asking for a fork. You don't have to give everyone a fork, just give it to those who ask for one. Asking for a fork shows that you respect everyone else at the table enough not to insult them with your attempts at using chopsticks. And my example does hold water because no where in my example did I say that chopsticks were the only utensil you had the ability to use. looking at your example all i can think of is when a big company goes over to meet foreign corpuation they do tons of research on their customs and learn their differen't manners since we are going into their country to make a deal we should learn their customs and not try to bring our own into the mix if george bush could do it i am a strong believer that anyone can 3. Thanks for conceding the point. You just conceded that forks are easier to use than chopsticks, and therefore better. To your claim that you can use chopsticks, no offense, but I doubt that you can use them with the ease of someone who has learned how to use chopsticks since they were born. Please elaborate on your skill level with chopsticks. Rate yourself using this: 1. Not at all. 2. Sort of. 3. I hold the chopsticks in a fist. 4. I hold the first chopstick like I would hold a pencil, and the other stays still. 5. I can pick up marbles. 6. I do not drop things after I pick them up. 7. I am as good as someone who has been using them their whole life. My fourth statement holds lots of water actually. You conceded the point yourself: "ust repeaing your previous statements while adding in 2 things that chopsticks can to spearing" SO you agree that forks can do more. And your point about indigestion; look above. You can't blame tools for human error. first i will state that i am able catch a grape if tossed to me i don't often use chopsticks once and awhile and to have fun second i did not doncede to ur 3rd or 4th argument please read what i said more carefully So in this refutation, you try to limit the topic to arguing about Korean chopsticks, because they are made of stainless(sorry i limited this lol i ran out of characters first i would like to state if i have to focus on all types then u also have to defend all forks second if we have to argue all types then i guess i will change the arguement i found this point elsewhere when researching Chopsticks are biodegradable. It sounds like a silly point, but if you think about all of the silverwear that gets thrown away from houses and and restaurants, you can only imagine just how much silverwear is forever buried underneath us. Now metal is not that harmful to the earth, but the wood that the chopsticks are made out of is beneficial to the enviroment. It will decomspose and become fertile soil. Metal forks cannot say that. So point one: Chopsticks are more enviromentally friendly.