LM Classic: mongeese vs. Yraelz

Final round. Let's go. 1. Yu-Gi-Oh cards a. Note that in this case, Dark Bakura would be with Yugi, who currently holds the Millennium Ring. It would be in Dark Bakura's best interests that Yugi survives this war in order to continue the series, so Dark Bakura would most definitely loan Yugi this power if necessary. The Millennium Puzzle is obviously a special case, as it is a puzzle which must be put together, as opposed to a ring. http://yugioh.wikia.com... "On the other hand, Bakura can now use the Millennium Scale to fuse his 'Diabound' and 'Flying Eyeball' into an even more powerful monster!" He used the Scale the instant he obtained it. b. However, the card's effect (removing Life Points) didn't even come into play. It's fairly obvious that in the anime, the picture is more important than the card's effect itself. Additionally, the Millennium Ring can allow Yugi to transfer the souls of Team CON to cards, as Bakura had done, so the cards would most definitely work. Finally, we come to Collected Power. For this, I would like to note two things. One, in Collected Power's only anime appearance (http://yugioh.wikia.com...), it still did more than its effect, transferring the ghost that inhabited Yugi's monsters as well as Equip Magic Cards. Second, in the Virtual World, Joey used Trap Hole to deter a crowd running after him, even though there were no monsters in sight. (http://yugioh.wikia.com...) Pegasus was the one who added text to the Egyptian shadow magic, and we're going beyond what Pegasus wrote. Therefore, reading card effects is almost a waste of time. "Monster" is just a reference to any target. c. Well, why would Bakura choose to wait from behind a corner? Also, there were others throughout the anime with Millennium Items, and it wouldn't surprise me if they too could summon monsters. d. No. Your argument was, "There is a minor power gap in favor of my team...." You never actually argued that this power gap would grant Team CON immunity to the power of Magic Cards, and there's no reason to assume that it would. e. For one thing, the Sephiroth page makes no reference to Reflect, and the Reflect page makes no reference to Sephiroth, so I doubt that Sephiroth even has such ability. For another, Reflect is specifically listed as a spell, so Kaiba's De-Spell card should work wonders. f. Kaiba can hand Yugi his deck. Problem solved. g. Forever? For one thing, you lack sources. For another, Heart of the Cards isn't just something you have to spend time to just use. It's just the force that gets Yugi his top-decks. He top-decks cards even without saying "Heart of the Cards, guide me..." For reference, Yugi picked up Mystic Box and Living Arrow against Pegasus without saying anything relevant, and against Marik, he didn't have to do anything to top-deck Slifer the Sky Dragon. 2. Speed Blitz a. The Wiki article doesn't say that he doesn't have the serum, either. b. After the attack started (it looks as if that would be when the screen says "Super Nova" at 0:05), it took 40 seconds to reach just Pluto, and thirty seconds on top of that to reach the sun. Plus, the video probably skipped a fair bit of flying time. c. You still drop my argument about precision. If I had a car that could travel 5,000 mph, it would still take me a while to get through a maze of buildings. Why? Because I'd have to actually turn, and I'd crash into a wall if I wasn't careful. That's been my argument this entire time, and you've dropped it twice. d. I know where the end of the maze is. I still have to get there. e. My opponent still makes the argument that Yugi is attacking blind, completely ignoring the Panic example. Additionally, Mirror Force would no doubt work against an invisible enemy as long as the attack is there, so any attack launched by Team CON would still be suicidal. As for being stunned, Yugi can very easily close his eyes. So, instead of Yugi and Team PRO going down, Yugi uses Mirror Force to destroy Sentry and all of Team CON along with him. 3. Mind Control a. On that note, Dark Yugi still inhabited the Puzzle, and activated its power to help Joey overcome the power of the Millennium Rod. b. No, because they don't have any Millennium Items. c. Again, there's De-Spell and the Wiki errors. Additionally, Yugi can use Mystical Refpanel, and Reflect only works once, so the second time, it would work. Side Note: They're separate people as much as the Hulk and Bruce Banner are separate people. They share the same body, and switch between each other, in much the same way. My opponent seems to agree that the Hulk is legal, and so did MTGandP, the creator of UTW. Therefore, by example, Yami Yugi is legal. Black Alice: a. Magical Base? What? By the way, the Wiki article says that she can take powers from beings, but cards are not beings. b. The Wiki article seems to disagree with you again. She no doubt looked up into space. c. The above two problems disagree with you. Kirby: a. You don't seem to be backing that statement very well. Bahamut: a. Dragon Master Knight almost defeated and heavily injured Zorc, and Zorc had the power to destroy the world. That is a comparable feat. Now, for the play-by-play, in a worst-case scenario for me assuming that many of my opponent's arguments hold true (as seen by ?s, so if you agree with me, you can remove those statements), except the ones that can't: 1. Sephiroth gets a Super Nova started somewhere in the Solar System. 2. Sentry speed-blitzes, epically crashing into a building. UNDO, for my opponent's sake. 3. Sephiroth casts Reflect on Team CON? 4. Kaiba throws Yugi a De-Spell card. 5. Yugi activates De-Spell, neutralizing the Reflect. (Note that Reflect doesn't reflect all spells, and a spell that kills spells probably would not be reflected anyways.) 6. Yugi activates Swords of Revealing Light, stopping Team CON from attacking. 7. Yugi uses the Millennium Rod, taking control of every member of Team CON. He uses them as sacrifices to the Winged Dragon of Ra. Now let's assume that that didn't just work, even though it did. 7. Yugi activates Collected Power, transferring all equipment to Link. 8. Yugi and Kaiba take back their equipment from Link. 9. Kaiba tosses Yugi Enemy Controller. 10. Yugi uses Brain Control, Change of Heart, and Enemy Controller to take control of Black Alice, Emma Frost, and Sentry. 11. Yugi sacrifices the three of them to the Winged Dragon of Ra. 12. Sephiroth summons Bahamut. 13. The Winged Dragon of Ra knocks out Bahamut. 14. Kirby eats Bahamut. 15. Yugi binds Sephiroth with Spell-Binding Circle, and Vash with Kaiba's Shadow Spell. 16. The Winged Dragon of Ra destroys Vash. 17. Yugi and Kaiba summon Dragon Master Knight. 18. Link applies the serum that he got from Sentry to himself. 19. By now, the Super Nova has finally arrived to hit Earth. Yugi activates Mirror Force, so that any survivors of Team CON are destroyed, and all of Team PRO is safe. UNDO step 1, for my opponent's sake. 20. Together, the Winged Dragon of Ra, Serum-empowered Link, Dragon Master Knight, and Bahamut Kirby utterly destroy the swordless, magically binded Sephiroth. 21. If he's still alive after all of that?, the Winged Dragon of Ra can go into Phoenix mode and destroy Sephiroth. He's not going to survive that. Note that there are still other strategies that I could not fit here, such as Kuriboh (which my opponent dropped). My opponent has no strategies that could eliminate Team PRO with the exception of speed-blitzing (which includes Super Nova-ing), which I have shown him to be unable to do, using Bahamut (Mystic Box FTW), and using Black Alice (Kuriboh). What's especially detrimental to him is that after the Sentry is eliminated, he has no other characters that can defeat Midna the shadow. Thanks for this debate, Yraelz. It was great.