A pro life voter who Attempts to justify a vote for Obama is rationalizing.

Voters: When voting on this debate, please consider the arguments, regardless of your personal feelings of Obama. amcclinton (CON) - in his profile and his email to me made the following statements: "At the time I voted for him (BHO), I had no evidence that he would not be a more than adequate President. I know most people focus on the abortion issue. However, abortion (which I know to be wrong) is murder/killing and so is going into battle and killing others for whatever reason is equally wrong. Those who voted for Bush simply because of abortion reasons are missing the big picture. War is controlled at the command of the President. Abortion is not. A person still has to choose to have an abortion. There are many things that are immoral that we have not and most likely will not pass laws against. Should we not vote all together? Some religious people don't." "I weighed the historical implications versus my political and religious views. I'm biased and ultimately the Bible indicates that God is in control of who our leaders are - good or bad." "Obama showed himself to be unlike any Presidential candidate I've ever seen (this regardless of race). To answer the liberal versus conservative question. The conservative alternative is not nearly conservative enough. Mitt Romney I believe would have been a more conservative President than McCain, but I don't know that for fact. I don't support Romney's beliefs at all, but only the appearance of what I believe his actions would be - based on those beliefs." "In short it comes down to the better of two evils. There are three choices (mostly). Vote Republican, Democrat or don't vote. Ultimately, one of the two major candidates will win and this is historically R vs. D. There isn't a candidate yet that I believe will have the same convictions that I have. I'm either at odds with the abortion issue with the Dem. or the war issue with the Rep. So I have to go with the one I believe will do the most good without creating laws that will cause people to sin rather than creating laws that allow people to sin. Make sense?" ACE: I dispute every one of you assertions. I believe that you are rationalizing. If you believe that God has chosen to determine who our leaders will be (sounds like a cop-out to me) then why bother to vote? Voting for the "better of two evils is still voting for evil. You (and I) could have voted for Alan Keyes. I admit that I did the wrong thing. There were more than the three choices that you quote. Even If, as you say, a D/R will win, you/I need not have contributed to the problem. I think Keyes comes much closer to what we claim, we believe. You said: "So I have to go with the one I believe will do the most good without creating laws that will cause people to sin rather than creating laws that allow people to sin. Make sense?" Yes this makes sense, but it is not what you ended up doing. The logic was correct – if a bit suspect – but your premise was false. A false premise always results in an invalid conclusion. Yes, the Dems have a pro-abortion plank in their platform, and B.H.O. Is (by far) the most aggressive pro-abortion president, ever. The Repubs have no pro-war plank. A simple review of modern era (1900-present) war-time presidents reveals that Dem presidents were far more likely to get us into (or keep us in) war. To say that war is controlled by presidential edict, but abortion is not, is patently false. The president may not legally enter into a war without congressional concurrence. Presidents nominate judges to the Federal Courts, including the supreme court. The courts determine constitutionality. Therefore, the president, does control abortion, albeit, indirectly. Presidents of the modern era (1900-2009) and their wars: 26.Theodore Roosevelt - Republican 1901-1909 No War 27.William Taft - Republican 1909-1913 No War 28.Woodrow Wilson - Democrat 1913-1921 WWI 29.Warren Harding - Republican 1921-1923 No War 30.Calvin Coolidge - Republican 1923-1929 No War 31.Herbert C. Hoover - Republican 1929-1933 No War 32.Franklin Roosevelt - Democrat 1933-1945 Entered WWII. 33.Harry S Truman - Democrat 1945-1953 Ordered A-bomb on Japan 34.Dwight Eisenhower - Republican 1953-1961 Ended Korean War. 35.John Kennedy - Democrat 1961-1963 Escalated Vietnam to a war. 36.Lyndon Johnson - Democrat 1963-1969 Continued Vietnam War 37.Richard Nixon - Republican 1969-1974 Ended Vietnam War 38.Gerald R. Ford - Republican 1974-1977 No War 39. (Jimmy) Carter, - Democrat 1977-1981 No War 40.Ronald Wilson Reagan (1911- 2004) Republican No War 41.George H. W. Bush - Republican 1989-1993 Entered Iraq-Emirates war. 42.William Clinton - Democrat 1993-2001 Entered Czech. war. 43.George W. Bush - Republican 2001-2009 Started Afghan & Iraq wars. 44.Barack Obama (1961- ) Democrat 2009- Continues Afghan & Iraq wars. "abortion (which I know to be wrong) is murder/killing and so is going into battle and killing others for whatever reason is equally wrong." Do you actually believe that defensive war is immoral? "A person still has to choose to have an abortion." My answer: ...and an enemy still has to choose to attack the USA. "At the time I voted for him, I had no evidence that he would not be a more than adequate President." Did you look for any? Rev. Wright, William Ayres, no executive experience, Two years a US Senator, all the while on presidential campaign, Frank Marshal Davis, voting to neglect babies born alive to a botched abortion.. I could go on, but I'd run out of space. Finally, you said: "Obama showed himself to be unlike any Presidential candidate I've ever seen (this regardless of race)." Excluding race, how is Obama unlike any presidential candidate, you've ever seen?