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As for your inability to answer my first question I believe that the entire debate is about domestic violence wife beaters are the ones perpetuating this violence. Therefore, this question I perfectly relevant to the case. As for question 5, What I was getting at was if you kill someone there would be obvious psychological implications to their actions, besides the obvious going to jail. The entire resolution is irrelevant if you refuse to answer the question because without a definitive plan of how someone would bring about the deadly force the question of whether someone can use deadly force is null. My answers: 1. Yes, I value people's rights. But, a person does not have the right to defend themselves any longer because according to the Social Contract Theory, which I defined above and you have not refuted as being false, a person gives up the right of self-preservation (self-defense) to the government in order to form society. People no longer have the right of self-defense. 2. You state it is LIKELY that the victim of abuse could die. In this case, the abuser WILL die it is definitive. If everyone made decisions off of unprovable hunches that would be the downfall of society, aka anarchy, which would be worse. 3. In most cases of abuse, society can see what has happened and yet the women does not tell anyone or testify their husband has done anything wrong, they have the chance to act but, do not. (Not that the abuse is in any way the women's or in the small percentage of cases man's fault) 4. Morally I would be no better off than my attacker if I used deadly force against them. 5. There are better options than killing their abuser. Using non-deadly force for example would accomplish the same goal. Informing the police, letting someone outside of the household know, the list goes on and on. My Rebuttal/Defense: The Social Contract explains a persons relationship with the government. My definition, in Round 1, explains this in greater detail. As such, a persons inalienable rights cannot be morally taken away by an individual because they do not have the right to do so, even in self-defense as their right to self-defense has been delegated to a government. Therefore, my opponents value is null because a person does not have the right to self-defense; the government holds the right of individual self-preservation. 1) My first contention still stands as the right of self-defense has been delegated to the government and is not held by the people. Self-defense is not an inalienable right. Life is. Therefore, an abuse victim cannot morally kill her abuser. Furthermore, domestic abuse does not ALWAYS end in death. Deadly Force does. 2) Once again, my opponents objection is that I am bring society into play. But, once again, an abuse victim does not have the right of self-preservation it is held by the government. Even if natural law takes the place of the laws of man, the Social Contract is an application of natural law applied to society, in which people give up rights such as the right of self-preservation to form a stable society. 3) Repeat just means more than once according to the definition. The government has not done anything about it because the government has not been informed about the occurrences. The government is not omniscient. It is not morally permissible for the abuser to kill the victim. Just as it is not morally permissible for the victim to kill the abuser. This delicate balance is what holds society together. 4) I can state a resolution is incorrect because it is not morally correct to kill. And once again, I will bring us back to the social contract theory which has already been explained. Self-defense is not a right held by individuals. 5) Morality and Values are inherently seen within laws. Laws are based upon morality and values therefore, laws and society can be brought into play. I'll refer back to my first round, "shared ideas on politics morals and ethics" expresses itself through laws. Laws are based upon natural law, morality, and ethics. The government is based upon laws. Therefore, the government is based upon natural law, morality, and ethics. The social contract theory explains why and how people created governments and laws. We are debating an aspect of morality. And we are debating what people morally ought to do so morally they should not kill, morally there are other options. Now for my rebuttal: My opponent has not proven that self-defense is a right guaranteed to individuals. Since she has not done so, and according to the Social Contract Theory the government holds all people's rights to self-defense, a person's inalienable rights are more important than self-defense. Furthermore, since a person does not hold the right of self-defense, they cannot morally take another person's inalienable rights away. Therefore, my opponents entire value is invalid. Contention 1, utilizes an extremely emotional story. But, this story holds no weight in whether something is morale or not. Furthermore, this story does not support the right of self-defense and therefore, is invalid. It tells of abuse but, nowhere does it tell of imminent death to the women in question, she obviously actually survived. Abuse is not equal to deadly force. Contention 2 utilizes the Doctrine of Double Effect developed by Thomas Aquinas. Violence is defined as my opponent as "a pattern of behavior in any relationship that is used to gain control or power over a spouse" as my opponent stated the "National Domestic Violence Hotline in abusive relationships abuse ranges from verbal to physical abuse" so, in some cases, verbal abuse can be used to gain control over a spouse. Since it fits the definition of domestic violence my opponent now is arguing it is right to kill even in cases when the abuser is just saying something mean. Or in other words, murder can be correct. Furthermore, Thomas Aquinas stated "if a man in self-defense uses more than necessary violence, it will be unlawful" this basically means if there is another way that you can defend yourself without killing. Do it. I have stated several, non-lethal, possibilities. Therefore, my opponent holds my 5th contention to be true. Contention 3. An abuse victim is not the legal property of the abuser. Furthermore, getting out of slavery does not require self-defense. In the United States history, slaves escaped from their owners by running away, through things such as the Underground Railroad, not killing. Slaves realized it would be morally wrong to kill their masters and they did not want to sink to the level of their owners. Furthermore, my opponents source states "The following things are LIKELY to happen" so basically the list of following things might not happen. Furthermore, you cannot completely isolate someone from society. And if "the abuser may also take you to an unknown place and leave you there" would that not be a good thing? They are away from the abuse. They could easily find the closest populated area and ask for help. Furthermore, my opponent has not stated why the abuse victim would die if they run away from their abuser and get help.