The Existence of God

Well done indeed. I will admit that these were experimental arguments, but I did have high hopes for them. I'd like to thank Hayd for pointing out any fallacies, as the debater's generally blind to his own weakness. My organizing system is the following: I will quote his argument, then refute it if possible. "A1: In order for a being to possess the title of God, this being must possess the trait of omnipotence. In other words, if a being does not possess omnipotence, this being is not a God. In this argument, I will prove how omnipotence is an impossible trait to possess, therefore making it impossible for any God to exist." Lets see the steps: Logic Steps: 1: God has to be omnipotent, if he is not he is not a god. 2: Omnipotence is the ability to do all things. 3: Since the ability of being a married bachelor is impossible, it is impossible to have the ability to do all things. 4: Omnipotence is impossible. 5: Since omnipotence is impossible, God is impossible. 6: God does not exist. Did you see it? Step three holds our contradiction. In fact, its a contradiction in terms "contradiction in terms - (logic) a statement that is necessarily false; "the statement `he is brave and he is not brave' is a contradiction" (http://www.thefreedictionary.com...) By starting your argument with a logical infallicy, I cannot take anything past that seriosusly. It is similar to the "Can God make a rock so heavy he can't lift it?" Again, "Can he do something he can't do" Is a contradiction in terms A2: In my second argument, I will be using the common argument of morality. By definition (as specified in the first round) if God is to exist, he would have to retain moral perfection. Since God is omnipotent, he has the ability to do all things, therefore he is able to stop any immoral actions to take place ever. Logic Steps: 1: God is morally perfect and omnipotent (has the ability to stop all immoral acts). 2: If God exists there should be no evil, immorality, cruelty, etc. 3: Yet there is evil, immorality, cruelty, etc. 4: Therefore God does not exist. This is where a fair understanding of Christian theology is required. God's original creation WAS without sin, and was later corrupted by a fallen angel and humanity. Ever since, God has created ways to re-achieve "Holiness", which is a state of sinless-ness. God is perfect in judgment, and In the end all the sin will be done away with and only good will remain. Lets put it in this way. A man is in a store where a mugger is attacking the cashier. He could attack if he wanted, but doesn't. By law, is this man guilty? Of course not! I mean, it sucks that he didn't help, but we don't know his reasons. Maybe he has a family, or something else that led him to decide to stay away. Just because God exists in a reality where there is sin doesn't mean he himself is sinful A3: The God of the Christian origin is described through the Bible. "As for God, his way is perfect: The LORD's word is flawless; he shields all who take refuge in him." Logic Steps: 1: According to Christian culture, God is perfect. (evidence of this is cited above, Bible) 2: God should not have regrets because he is perfect. 3: God is therefore not perfect because he has done an imperfection. 4: The God of Christianity is contradictory. 5: God does not exist. Who created man? God. In fact, he says that they are very good in Genesis 1 "31 God saw all that He had made, and behold, it was very good. And there was evening and there was morning, the sixth day." If you read the context, the sixth day was when he made man. Now, why would God go and contradict himself just a few chapters later? He didn't. What happen to man? They were tempted by Satan and fell into sin. As a result they became wicked and evil (The majority anyways). God is perfect, and had no regrets making man until they changed and turned on their maker. Time for my favorite passtime: whats the Greek/Hebrew!? In this case, The word for repent of was Nacham. If you follow this link, you will see it's definition, as well as a few other words that mean similar things. http://www.biblestudytools.com... As you can see, God could regret making them, but only because they had deviated from his design. This actually highlights God's lack of tolerance for imperfection nicely. This is all assuming, of course, that Nacham translates the way we think it does, which I think is accurate. Cheers.