Superman would beat Batman in a fight to the death.

. http://www.youtube.com... . http://www.youtube.com... . http://www.youtube.com...; . http://www.youtube.com... I thank my opponent for completing all the rounds to this debate and while this is a heated topic between comic fans I have enjoyed this debate very much. Pro put the perhaps the majority of his arguments for the final round in not 1 but 3 pitchers. I would like the point out to the audience that This is basically akin to saying ‘the rest of my arguments are in the comment section…” and thus should lose him the conduct point. Even though he said I could do the same if I wanted I’m not getting a photobucket account just for a debate. I also intend to stick with the restrictions that are intended to go on these debates. 8,000 characters in 4 full rounds is plenty enough for these official debates. Its why I like these better than Forum debates sometimes wich just go on until we get tired of each other. So only whats in this debate and not the photos should be considered when voting, although I will attempt to address those too if I have room. My method for this closing round seems to call for focusing on general concepts that affect all these specific ways for the Batman to beat Superman. 1) My opponent has danced around the preconditions of this debate. At the start of this debate Pro said it was assumed morals were dropped and they had no problem killing each other. But when it suited him he changes that up “oh well batmans not evil, just superman” That’s an really rigged way to look at this match-up. If batman is still good then he would never kill Clark but persevere the battle until Clark is fixed. Then Clark could just keep fighting until batman dies. You put superman in a position to not care if the panet is destroyed to kill batman for this battle but you say Batman cant because he does care. If batman is the same then so is superman. But for this fight there not. Its more like Owlman vs. Ultraman. Batmans harem is pretty diverse as is, taking Lois when his morals drop is just the kind thing you would do when you’re the BATMAN. Especially when it can contribute to tactical advantages in this battle. 2) Evil beats Good outside the comics conituity That’s the statement of someone who is not just cynical but ignorant. Last time I checked the world is relatively controlled by the civilized not the barbarian. If you were going to base any of your argument on this you should have brought this up round one as that would have been a very good additional concept to argue in relation to this debate. The Truth is Good will always win over evil, and one day the ultimate good Christ will come and bring us Final Victory against evil forever. In any case whether you believe that or not the fictional mechanics that gave Superman his powers and Batman his driveness and gadgets have to be the same mechanics that govern the battle. This whole part of the debate begs us to ask the question “If David vs. Goliath was done on deadliest warriors would David win? ” do we believe the smaller can rise to defeats to powerhouses through will, courage, faith, training, or preparation? If you vote for Con you show that you do believe men can take on the giants and win 3) Comic continuity/ plot construction I have covered the point about ‘plot construction’ since before you brought it up yourself for your own convenience. You dismiss the basic canical elements that could be defined by Batman Brave and the Bold because it’s not in the comics then dismiss what’s in the comics basically cause ‘its in the comics’. You can’t have it both ways, especially when you have been insisting we source from comics from the beginning. If you really just wanted to pair up your very favorite overpowered, mary sue version of superman and the very worst watered down version of batman in a fight on deadliest warrior you should have said so. Then it really would have been the ‘could David beat Goliath” concept debate from the start. Your arguments for ‘plot construction’ truly make you the only hypocrite who is cherry picking what examples from the comics define this battle not me. Batman defeating both Darkside and Ra’s al Ghul is a re-occuring event to define to limits of Bruce Wayne. A single battle with Superman for a specific plotline that can be chalked up ‘plot construction’ but you cant just throw out the running themes you don’t like altogether. My arguments which you did not actually get to addressing where about how the shows and movies drive the definition of the comics. Vale was a one-shot girlfriend in the comics until the movies made her important. ‘Jack’ was not the jokers probable former name until the movie came out. The movie changed the comics. Brave and the Bold is definitely going to too. It’s a fun show, the nation is heading out of Iraq withdrawing form so many wars, people are happier and the media both comic and show will reflect it. Numerous things that were retconed out of existence in the past are being cannanized again with some flavor changes. Comic writer quality is at an all time high as they fight to keep the industry alive with there dropping sales in the techno era. 4) It would take to much preparation and work for Supermans weakness’s to be exploited Not for Batman. That’s what makes him Batman. If he could not do so with a doable amount of effort for him we would not be talking about Batman. We would be talking about you or me. We might be talking about Wally West or Jason Todd. We could be talking about Oliver Queen or Arthur Curry. Mabye we would even be talking about Rorshak or Deadpool or Punisher. But we would not be talking about Batman. Its what makes him the Batman more than just any other hero. Back to some specifics A) I showed the basic elements of the planet X story are canical again thanks to Morrisons great writing with the easter egg he dropped. I gave a reasoned case that whenever a full fashback is given of the event the story will resemble the Brave and the Bold episode. B) The ‘conjecture’ I base the helmet on is called ‘reasoning’. If you just want to call them cutthroats or evil it changes nothing order has been lost to the 2 greatest heroes in the universe, batman being number 1. Also the Zatanna argument is week considering were not talking about just any spell caster. We are talking about freaking Dr Fate. He is like the Batman of Magic. Like you said he is a near omniscient as anyone can get and the limits to his powers are quite out there. So superman has some basic defense from magic, big deal. Having basic self-defense lessons in martial arts does not make you able to defend yourself against Batman. This would not put Clark on grounds to win against Dr Fate. C) It would be dumb to give superman’s so much strength that in full power fights with villains like Doomsday it cracks the planet with after shocks, you are right. That’s why comic writers do not give him that level of strength. while niether the pitchers or the anything I put in the comment section should be considered by the voters, I put further cases there for those who are interested. also the videos are here for fun more than argument, I thought they ended the tone of this debate well espically the ones related to captin atom who is basically my opponent, and I am like aquaman in all those videos singing about how cool batman is. and you the voters can pitcher yourself like Martian manhunter, recolesing what it was like to be the soap bar Luther was using. .. .. .. .Keep those mental images wont you. ;)