God did not make the world perfect

My opponent unfortunately failed to understand the stipulation of God as a perfect being. My rebuttals will contain the reasons why. "God gave the commandment to Adam and Eve to not eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, disobedience would result in death." Although God's commandment to not eat the tree was directed towards them, God, being the perfect "sinless" being he is, is omnipotent and omniscient. You cannot deny that God knew of Man's sins way before he created them. This perfect being knew of everything the universe was and will be, including the so called "imperfections". That being said, the perfect God had created a perfect "plan" for all of us. This plan would denote infallibility and definite correctness in his part. You have failed to understand the contention that a perfect being would not make mistakes; that God is ultimately responsible for Man's actions. The evil and suffering around the world is part of God's perfect plan, making them perfect as well. God is responsible for all because he knew of Man's future atrocities and did nothing to stop them. His allowance strictly falls under two things: pure evilness or perfection. By trying to squeeze in "imperfect creations" within a "perfect plan" is a self-contradicting sentence. God is perfect. His actions are supposedly perfect. His actions contain creation. Therefore, all of his creation, including Man and his sins, are perfect. "My opponent failed to back his claims that God condemns/condones immoral acts." Thank you for allowing me to further my claims. http://infidels.org... 1.) God gets angry with all of the people on Earth, and kills every living thing on Earth, with a few notable exceptions (Genesis 6 & 7). 2.) God heeded the prayers of the Jews and helped the Jews to "utterly destroy" the Canaanites. Later, God told the Jews that they would leave "no survivors" (including women and children) from among the whole people when they battled the followers of King Og of Bashan. In between those two, the Jews battled the followers of King Sihon of Heshbon, who "God had given him a resistant spirit and stubborn determination" so that he would not surrender his people, and for "even the women and children; there was not a single survivor." (Numbers, Chapter 21; and Deuteronomy, Chapters 2 and 3.) 3.) When the Jews fought the Midianites, the Jewish army killed all of the men, but brought back all of the women and children to Moses, who was then furious at this disobedience of God. Moses ordered all of the male children killed, and all of the females who were not virgins. 32,000 virgin females remained alive; all of the other Midianite people were killed. It is unclear from the text whether or not 32 of these virgins were sacrificed to God (human sacrifice). The Jews enslaved all of the virgin females who lived. (Numbers, Chapters 25 and 31.) 4.) God instructed the Jews that when they invaded the territory that God had granted to them, as for the inhabitants, "you must utterly annihilate them. Make no covenant with them nor show them compassion!" (Deuteronomy, Chapter 7.) God instructed the Jews that, when confronting other people who lived on land other than that granted to the Jews, they could give them an offer of perpetual slavery for their whole population, or else they could kill all the males and take the women and little children as slaves. (Deuteronomy, Chapter 20.) God set rules for male Jews who desired to take a wife from among these captives. (Deuteronomy, Chapter 21.) 5.) When invading Jericho, as instructed by God, the Jews "annihilated with the sword everything that breathed in the city, including men and women, young and old, as well cattle, sheep, and donkeys." (Joshua, Chapter 6.) 6.) When taking Ai, as instructed by God, the Jews "annihilated all who lived in Ai," including all of the men, women, and children. (Joshua, Chapter 8.) 7.) Acting on God's instructions, the Jews "annihilated everyone who lived in" Makkedah. At Libnah, they again "left no survivors." At Lachish, "they put the sword to all who lived there, just as they had done to Libnah." At Eglon, "they annihilated it just as they had done to Lachish." At Hebron, "they annihilated it and all who lived there." Again at Debir, "they annihilated everyone who lived there; they left no survivors." "Joshua defeated the whole land, including the hill country, the Negev, the lowlands, the slopes, and all their kings. He left no survivors. He annihilated everything that breathed, just as the Lord God of Israel had commanded." (Joshua, Chapter 10.) 8.) At Hazor, "They annihilated everyone who lived there with the sword-no one who breathed remained." "The Israelites plundered all the loot of these cities and the cattle, but they totally destroyed all the people and allowed no one who breathed to live." "Moses the Lord's servant passed on the Lord's commands to Joshua, and Joshua did as he was told. He did not ignore any of the commands the Lord had given Moses." "No city made peace with the Israelites (except the Hivites living in Gibeon); they had to conquer all of them," "for the Lord determined to make them obstinate so they would attack Israel. He wanted Israel to annihilate them without mercy, as he had instructed Moses." (Joshua, Chapter 11.) 9.) King Saul of Israel, acting on God's orders, "captured King Agag of the Amalekites alive, but he executed all his people with the sword." (Later, God got angry for this "disobedience" of leaving the king alive and for other matters.) (I Samuel, Chapter 15.) Like you said, God is perfect. Everything in this list though is clearly immoral, but God had condoned these immoral acts. Therefore, the evils and sufferings listed are undoubtedly part of his perfect plan and hence are perfect. "With that in mind, my opponent drifts away from the topic at hand. I am arguing that God never made the world perfect, he simply made the world as it is." Again, I'll stress this one more time. You must follow this line of reasoning. 1.) God is perfect, infallible, and sinless 2.) Whatever God's actions were and will be are perfect 3.) God's actions include the creation of the entire universe INCLUDING evil and suffering 4.) God has provided the universe with a perfect plan 5.) God's perfect plan includes evil and suffering 6.) Therefore, the creation of evil and suffering (or anything by God for that matter) is perfect. My opponent cannot comprehend the corner he has locked himself in. Imperfect beings create imperfect things. Perfect beings create perfect things. Imperfect things created for a perfect plan essentially makes those imperfections perfect. If God's creation were really imperfect, then he would be clearly mistaken. And based on those atrocities and incoherent moralities God required of his people, he is clearly mistaken.