SDA Doctrines about the year 1844, the Heavenly Sanctuary and Investigative Judgement are Unbiblical

Con said: " the 70 weeks are "cut off" from the commencement of the 2,300 days because the vision of Daniel 8 begins with the kingdom of the Medes and Persians." Where is the verse which says that the 70 weeks are "cut off" from the 2,300 days? Nowhere! The Bible never says it, that's why he couldn't bring the verse to prove this unbiblical doctrine. Adventists assume without proof that the 70 weeks is part of the 2,300 days, but the Bible never says so. Yes, the Hebrew word "chatak" at Daniel 9:24 could mean "cut off," but even if we use the term "cut off" here, this verse doesn't say the 70 weeks are "chatak from" the 2,300 days, but rather it says the 70 weeks are "chatak upon" thy people and upon the holy city. You can't cut off a block of time from people and a city because they were never connected to it, but you can "determine" (or "decree") such a time period upon the people and the city, so "determined"/"decreed" is the correct translation. Hebrew scholars have rendered the word in this verse as "decreed" (NIV, ASV, AMP, NLT, ESV, NASB, ISV) "determined" (KJV, NET), and I could list many more, not one of the Hebrew scholars agrees that this word should be translated as "cut off" in Daniel 9:24. Yes, Daniel 9:25 gives a starting date for the 70 weeks, but it DOES NOT GIVE A START DATE FOR THE 2,300 DAYS. The 2,300 days isn't mentioned at all in Daniel 9, nor is the vision of the ram, goat and little horn, so there is no connection here except in the fertile minds of Seventh-day Adventists bent on muddling these two separate prophecies together. In round 1 I quoted the Adventist Church as saying: "The phrase "for two thousand three hundred evenings and mornings" (NRSV) defines the entire period that cover the fulfillment of the vision of the ram, the goat, and the little horn"" (Great Apocalyptic Prophecies, p.3) This means that according to them, the events of the Medo-Persian ram take place inside the 2,300 days. I showed proof, proof Con never denied or replied to, that the ascending of the Persian horn over the Median horn took place in 550 BC, long before 457 BC. So if what SDAs say is true about the 2,300 days embracing the vision of the ram, goat, etc, it must begin before 457 BC and thus 457 BC CANNOT be the start date of the 2,300 days. Adventists make two false claims: (1) that Jesus entered the Most Holy in 1844, and (2) that he did so to perform atonement for us: "In 1844 Christ then entered the most holy place of the heavenly sanctuary, to perform the closing work of atonement, preparatory to His coming" (The Great Controversy, page 481) This contradicts what their own prophet Ellen White wrote about the atonement already being complete before 1844. "He [Christ] planted the cross between Heaven and earth, and when the Father beheld the sacrifice of His Son, He bowed before it in recognition of its perfection. "It is enough," He said. "The Atonement is COMPLETE." "The Review and Herald, Sept. 24, 1901. "Type met antitype in the death of Christ, the Lamb slain for the sins of the world. Our great High Priest has made the only sacrifice that is of any value in our salvation. When He offered Himself on the cross, a PERFECT atonement was made for the sins of the people." "The Signs of the Times, June 28, 1899. How then can Jesus be doing "a closing work of atonement" beginning in 1844 when it was a finish, COMPLETE and PERFECT atonement at the cross???? It is heresy to believe that Jesus' had an INCOMPLETE atonement at the cross and he needed to finish his atonement someday in the future. I ask Con, what did Jesus begin to do in 1844 to make atonement, that he was not doing during the 1800 years since his ascension? There is just "one atonement" and it was completed at the cross. "Not only is this so, but we also boast in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received reconciliation." (Rom 5:11, NIV) This says Christians were already reconciled to God in Paul's day, which is what atonement means, reconciliation with God. So its false to add another atonement in 1844. Also, Leviticus 16:2 says "The Lord said to Moses: "Tell your brother Aaron that he is not to come whenever he chooses into the Most Holy Place behind the curtain in front of the atonement cover on the ark, or else he will die. For I will appear in the cloud over the atonement cover." This means that God's presence was always in the Most Holy place. This is also seen in Leviticus 16:13; Exodus 25:21, 22; 30:6, Numbers 7:89, and a comparison of Exodus 25:16-22 with Psalm 80:1; 2 Samuel 6:2; 2 Kings 19:25 and Isaiah 37:16. So for Jesus to enter God's presence when He ascended in the first century (Heb 9:24), He had to enter what was represented by the Most Holy. The plain testimony of Scripture is that Christ sat at God's right hand at the ascension (Act 2:30-36; Eph 1:20; Col 3:1; 1 Pet 3:21-22; Heb 1:3; 8:1; 9:12; 10:12, 19; 12:2; Rev 3:21) So Christ entered God's presence in the Most Holy 2000 years ago when He ascended, not in 1844 as Adventists claim. They false put Jesus in some other room for 1800 years to have him enter the Most Holy in 1844. This shows they don't understand how the OT types were fulfilled. Con says: "Many well known bible scholars believe that the start of the prophecy mentioned in Daniel 8 even the seventh day Adventist prophet Ellen G White." Sorry, truth isn't decided by majority vote. Many Bible scholars also believe Sunday is the Lord's day and the immortality of the soul, but SDAs reject these doctrines. Ellen White also believed Christ was coming back to earth in 1844 but she was wrong, so what she believe has nothing to do with proving what Scripture teaches. Con says: "Whether or not our date is absolutely precise does not matter as we don't worship the date," and that's like saying "it doesn't matter which day is the 7th day of rest, you don't have to get it right as we don't worship the day," yet Seventh-day Adventists don't buy that argument, they claim you must keep Sabbath on the correct day. Dates are very important when dealing with time prophecy. He says, "However cleansing the temple has a different meaning which I'd rather not get into," and no wonder he doesn't want to go into it, here is why: SDAs claim: ""Papal Rome effectively obscured the priestly, mediatorial ministry of Christ in behalf of sinners in the heavenly sanctuary (see Heb. 8:1,2) by substituting a priesthood that purports to offer forgiveness through the mediation of men. This apostate power would be quite successful, for 'he cast truth down to the ground. He did all this and prospered' (Dan. 8:12)."2 Carefully think this through. Adventists teach "Papal Rome" was the little horn power of Daniel 8:9-12 that defiled the heavenly sanctuary by substituting its own priesthood. Then, in Daniel 8:13, the question is asked: How long will the defilement continue? Or, using Adventist reasoning, "How long will Rome be permitted to defile the Sanctuary?" According to Adventists, the 2,300 years ended in 1844, so was any part of the vision in Daniel 8:10-12 fulfilled in 1844? "Did the Catholic Church stop the confessional in 1844? No! "Did the Catholic Church change any of its policies or practices in 1844? No! "Did Protestantism unveil the truth about Catholicism in 1844? No, several centuries earlier! "Did any part of Daniel 8:10-12 come to pass in 1844? No! Daniel 8:14 answers the question posed in verse 13 by saying that after 2300 days, "then shall the sanctuary be cleansed." Cleansed from what? From the defilement in verses 9-12. Adventists say that Rome defiled the sanctuary, so one would think that in order to be consistent, Adventists would teach that the "cleansing" refers to ending Rome's defilement of the heavenly sanctuary. But they do not! Instead, they switch to a completely different subject, and say that the "cleansing" of the sanctuary has nothing to do with Rome, but is talking about cleansing the sins of the righteous from the heavenly sanctuary during the Day of Atonement!"http://www.nonsda.org... Adventist say: "as the sanctuary on earth had two apartments, the holy and the most holy, so there are TWO holy places in the sanctuary in heaven." (Ellen G. White, Vie Spirit of Prophecy (Oakland, Calif.: Pacific Press Pub. Assn.. 1884), vol. 4, p. 260, but Jesus says "In my Father's house are MANY mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you." (John 14:2, KJV) The SDAs say they are two rooms, Jesus says they are many, clearly the Adventist have it wrong in their idea of what the sanctuary is like. Its not enough to say, yes, there is a sanctuary in heaven, therefore our doctrine is Biblical. You have to have the right view of the sanctuary to be in line with the Bible. If we say there are homosexual angels in heaven right now, surely that would be unbiblical, and it wouldn't be enough to say "well, you did admit there are angels in heaven, so my doctrine of gay angels in biblical." So, yes there is a sanctuary in heaven, but its not like SDAs describe. And much of the symbols in Revelation are being taken way too literally by Con, who doesn't take literally most of what is written in the very chapters he cites from. 2 Corinthians 5:10 "For we must all APPEAR BEFORE the judgment seat of the Anointed." SDAs do not believe anyone was resurrected to APPEAR before Jesus in 1844 for judgment. They have a judgment where people are not even PRESENT to be judged. This isn't Biblical, its against 2 Cor 5:10. The 70 weeks are not finished, because Dan 9:24 says that during the 70 weeks God would "put an END TO SIN." Sin is still there, so the final week hasn't been fulfilled. The temple will be rebuilt, but will be destroyed (Dan 9:26). I will prove this next round as well. I won't have access to internet tomorrow so I had to post today. Over to Con for his rebuttal.