There is no such thing as an immune system

Hello Akenhaten, Note- If I ignored any of your evidence/points, sorry. But I still think that proving antibiotics are bad is not helpful to your case at all. Here we are at the final round of this debate. Here is two concessions I make to side proposition. 1 Nothing works without iodine. I give you that. "Without iodine the immune system would be like a toothless tiger." Good point. 2. Iodine is a good alternative to antibiotics (but that has no relevance to this topic) However, one problem in your logic. without a weapon to use, iodine is as useless as an immune system with no iodine. Therefore, my point is still that iodine cannot directly replace the immune system because iodine itself (without supporting cells) does not have the cohesiveness and the communication that the immune system has. Does iodine have receptors to "know" where possible threats are? Does iodine "know" when or when not to release blood into the tissue? (inflammation) No it does not. Iodine is simply a mineral, not some miracle drug. If iodine is really a replacement for the immune system. Why don't people with HIV/other immunodeficiency conditions simply pop a few iodine tablets everyday? Iodine has to be incorporated into the immune system. It cannot be effective independently. Even when in hormones, those hormones don't have the capability to destroy bacteria/other foreign objects/viruses/fungus etc. 2. I'm not denying that the Paleo diet is healthy. I'm saying that it is impossible to guarantee that a person on a paleo diet is completely immune to all diseases as there has been no experiment with one paleo diet person and another non paleo diet person living together and doing things together. How can one make the assumption that the paleo diet makes people immune to all diseases. It is simply exaggerated and untrue. Perhaps (hopefully), you are talking about how paleo diet can help prevent diseases and sickness by having a good diet and keeping your immune system healthy. If so, that is just common sense. All nutritionists know that. Most people in the world know that. That's why there's a "Food Pyramid" to help guide us in what we should and should not eat. (even though no one follows it ;) ) 3. (a) The immune system needs a first infection/ natural immunity for it to successfully destroy an infection swiftly. (That's why you won't feel sick at all, its your immune system easily taking out the re-infection). (b) Doctors are here to try and guess how people get sick. Diet is one of the bigger factors regarding immune strength. As you said, iodine in a diet is crucial to immune system health. Iodine is already used in hospitals. When I was at a hospital for broken arm surgery ( :( ) The doctors used iodine as a disinfectant before cutting open my arm. Iodine is used in certain situations. The reason why antibiotics aren't working is because of constant antibiotic abuse, leading to antibiotic resistant strains of bacteria such as: staphylococcus aureus (which I got sadly) The first type of antibiotics didn't work. So its probably resistant against that medication. Then I switched to another kind. That one worked for me. My fever went away naturally quickly and my bones started healing again ( :) ) ( A little off topic personal experience ) (c) I already said I agree with you on that one. Iodine is viewed and still is a supplement. That's all it is. iodine should not be used as medication. 4. Here, research for you. Your suggestion is just wrong. http://www.imperial.ac.uk... https://medlineplus.gov... https://research.pasteur.fr... http://ocp.hul.harvard.edu... There are an "infinite" number of links about research and the above links are collocations. So if you're interested you can check them out. 5. You completely ignored my question. If bacteria are not airborne, explain how a sick person coughing and sneezing can infect others. (what, by drilling a hole in the gut and coughing it in?) You probably have antibodies built up to combat "cold and flu" as do all of us (except for certain isolated communities and people with immunodeficiency conditions) We are all surrounded by bacteria and viruses that cause disease. Its just that our immune system has been working with antibodies from past immunizations (natural/vaccines) to keep those micro organisms relatively few in number. (Sorry, second language. Maybe bad grammar?) http://ocp.hul.harvard.edu... Professor Pettenkofer believed in germs. He believed that instead of using quarantine, bacteria can be made non-contagious by changing factors like weather and individual vulnerability to disease. Not that germs don't exist. According to Professor Pettenkofer theory about variables, he probably wanted to prove that the bacterium can be rendered harmless if they were stored in a special way or by changing environmental factors. Not to prove that bacteria don't cause disease. I think you misunderstood the nature of his experiment. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Closing Ignored questions... 1. how do you explain white blood cells, T cells, B cells, NK cells? 2.There were no pesticides/soap/detergent in the past. Yet their lifespans were shorter than ours. According to the information you provided, as long as we don't consume these substances, we will never get sick/ill. 3.Explain how during the black death, people who survived rarely got the plague again. 4.BTW can you please clarify your stance on whether the immune system exists? 5. (Maybe unclear demand for explanation on my part) This entire article is about how to prevent AIRBORNE diseases from spreading. Please don't tell me about how we somehow swallow the air and it goes into our gut and leaks out somehow... Firstly, side prop does not have a clear definition of the topic. Secondly, side prop also has not been rebutting my points properly with logic and facts. He/she deflects arguments by saying that it is "hearsay evidence" or it is a myth. Thirdly, side prop ignores any agreements I make. Akenhaten, I appreciate your effort in trying to challenge such a strong and well known theory. Hopefully you're just trolling and you don't actually believe the stuff you said. It is quite ridiculous from my stand point, especially the one how bacteria is the result of disease and how all bacteria travel through the bloodstream from the gut... We have strayed away from proving the existence of the immune system to whether iodine is useful in the immune system? perhaps in the near future when you debate your gravity wave thingy, you can try to read what your opponent has said carefully? and try to answer every part of his/her argument? And have a civil and calm discussion please? You gave me an impression of an angry person sitting behind a laptop/computer typing about how I am all evil and corrupted etc etc. It would make debating with you a much more pleasurable experience. Once again, thank you for having this debate with me And if you're reading this, please vote side oppose. Thanks, nightmareuser