Same-Sex marriage.

Ah, I see. I separated my points with numbers so you'd know when I was changing point in my speech. My point about your insulting comparison to animals was separate from my comparison of nature and animals. You must understand that you cannot use something being unnatural as a point against it. Medicine is unnatural, but thousands are alive today because of it, and to be honest, I can only walk because of unnaturalness. Humans would frown upon the idea of a mother and son having sex, but it is an occurrence with animals. Animals are part of nature. This is a special connection between the parts which separates humans and animals by the fact that humans commit unnatural acts such as driving, watching tv and cooking food, which sets us apart from other species and is the reason why we often remove ourselves from the categories of the Animal Kingdom. This difference between humans and animals combines with the bizarre yet totally natural actions of other animals to show how homosexuality cannot be considered good or bad because it is considered both natural and unnatural. So the real problem left to deal with is the kids. You even went so far as to declare in block capitals that the welfare of the child is the most important factor. But if you had to ask every child in the world whether or not they were happy and then deem the parents unworthy of children and confiscate them, you'd need a whole lot of foster parents ready to take those kids in. I was bullied at school, I'm sure you are too, to some degree, and everyone is at some point. But this is for two reasons; 1; People fear change and difference, and often try to fight alien or unfamiliar foes. This fight is self-justified by the bully, who then receives a sense of pride for following their own moral code. This is also the same logic the war on terror uses, that such an alien culture exists and it wants to cause vague measures of harm upon the states, justifying the invasions. Children of homosexual parents are bullied more because the bully has been raised by parents who have taught him/her that gays are an unfamiliar threat and are dangerous to their own way of life. This problem can be solved by parents preaching tolerance and acceptance, something that homosexual parents teach very well in accordance with their own lifestyle. 2; This one is more simple and more difficult to treat. Some people are just a$$holes. Plain and simple. There are some good people, a mix of both, and then there are the stereotype of bullies. But they don't mature and grow up when they leave school, you just don't see those a$$holes anymore. You have new a$$holes to deal with. The second reason doesn't relate as much as the first, but my point is that really the problem with the opposition of homosexuality is that they can't really find logical reasons to dislike homosexuality, but they feel vaguely threatened by the way of life that others follow and that it may infringe on their lives, just like the French protesters you mentioned, some people are so set in their ways that they will violently oppose any change. You know what, the second reason of bullying does relate to this debate. Some people just can't live with the idea that other lifestyles can work as well, and convince themselves that there must be a fatal flaw in the system, for which it must be destroyed. This is where the a$$holes from school go. If they don't grow up, they become the opponents of change and progress, making others' lives a little bit more difficult everyday. As for your conclusions, children under gay parents live just the same except their parents teach them not to fear change. Next, you asked ten questions, which I will answer now. 1; if I wanted to marry an animal, would you think im crazy? Probably. There are hygienic, biological and medical reasons why an animal is a poor life partner. 2; Marrying an animal would be offensive to people right? Not so much offensive as bizarre and stupid. 3; Then imagine how offensive it is to people who don't agree with Same-sex marriage. They think gays are weird stupid by that logic, but gays aren't animals, and have deeper reasons why they love each other. 4; but is the child happy? That has little to do with the sexual orientation of the parent and more how they are raised. 5; I said that if you could marry your own sex then why not marry animals? Animals are a different species and are incapable of intelligent conversation or mating without inbred offspring. 6; but is the child happy? Gay parents would be more responsible given the time they have spent planning for their child. 7; so if they can marry why cant we marry animals? Because they are both humans, not separate species interbreeding. 8; and are those two dogs the same gender? Yes they were. 9; Are they the same gender? The dogs I recounted were mother and son. 10; IS THE CHILD HAPPY? YES! THE FIGURATIVE CHILD IS HAPPY! Ok, I could have shortened that list down, but this was more fun. Anyway, as for the Chaos thing, I'm not sure how gays are spreading chaos when it's the straight people rioting, and homosexuality does make sense. It's two people who love each other promising to remain loyal to each other for the rest of their lives, and the state recognizing that loving bond and supporting it legally and financially so that the family created can raise children of their own. Makes sense to me, at least as much as regular marriage. Anyway, I'll probably be your next opponent since there's not much other topics on DDO, so until we debate again, I'll be awaiting my next challenger. Duncan.