Jesus is not GOD [2]

Dude really im suprised man u blown up my head off. There is no sect in christianity (atleast by my research) that says jesus is the father! the whole christendom deserting you here... there are individuals but not as a group. and do you know if you say jesus is the father at any church it is a HERESY! the chatolic church got rid of it over a 1000 years ago.. so your all arguments here are failing apart even before we began, but for the sake of argument i agree with you... "When you pray, say Our Father which art in heaven." (Luke 11:2) - so jesus is saying not to me pray to the FATHER ART IN HEAVEN. so all your argument are useless.. anyway lets start: - "The son never said he was God because God is the spirit inside the sons body" - this is not answering the question and its your theology without proof. its like "im drinking water because i love this girl" dude there is no connection between the first part and the second part. and he come to earth and lives here 33 years without saying "im god or worship me" you know whats 33 years meaing? (1 day = 24 hours) x (365) x (33) = 289080 hours. so he raoming 289080 hours this world want to preach that he is god but he never says that... GOD doesnt play hide and seek he gave you brain to use it so use it and dont be foolish. God in old testment is declaring many times he is THE ONLY GOD BECAUSE HE IS A GOD. JESUS NEVER CLAIMED BECAUSE HE ISNT commen sense unless your mind is diseased. - "John 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent." you reading this in your mother tongue and understand the opposite. " that they (the people) might know thee (GOD. thee equals "im" its another person!) the ONLY TRUE GOD (NOT JESUS!), AND (FORTHERMORE/makes a distinction) JESUS CHRIST (NOT GOD/CHRIST!) whom thou hast sent.( sent by GOD NOT on his OWN (JEUSUS) ). "Deuteronomy 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:" if jesus was god he would say -"IM THE LORD YOUR GOD AND IM ONE LORD". OUR means jesus and the people how the heck jesus has a GOD when he says "OUR" ?!? i think you learned GIBRISH instead of ENGLISH in school. Now John add some verses to his Gospel that are not in the other 3 Gospels like jesus is divine to suit himself - jesus says "IM" ,"i and my father are one" etc... im not saying that its SCHOLARSHIP point of view.. for sake of argument im not taking this views... lets examine one by one... (and i answered already some of this points in my previous debate im not going to waste my time for this i give short answers...http://www.debate.org...) "John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." - go to my previous debate round 2: http://www.debate.org... secondly, im wasted my time writing about juhn 1:1 because jesus didnt say it, john said that... -"john 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, full of grace and truth." same answer above the Greek word "LOGOS". -"Matthew 1:18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost." first of all you take the word "FATHER" literally.. it is not jesus says (over a dozen and more) "your father" (taking to people) until he says my father. it is metaforical or you are saying that the jews also gods because god is father of them too. secondly there is no verse in all versions of the bibles on that says Holy ghost is the Father, its your imagination... for saving scape to write here videos to answer your questions its more better and clear... "i and my father are one" - jhon 14:10 "Do you not believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in me? The words that I say to you I do not speak on my own authority, but the Father who dwells in me does his works." - you are worng. jesus saying "father is in me" because - "I do not speak on my own authority" - its god AUTHORITY! meaning the AUTHORITY AND GODS POWER. from where i come to this ? In the Gospels God GAVE Jesus all power and authority: -Jhon 13:3 Jesus knowing that the Father had given all things into his hands, and that he was come from God, and went to God; - John 17:6-8: 6 I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word. 7 Now they have known that ALL THINGS whatsoever thou hast given me are of thee. 8 For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me. - Jhon 12:49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. - Jhon 7:16 Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me. -YOU SIMPLE DIDNT READ THE INFO I GAVE YOU ABOVE IN ROUND 1.- after this verses come jhon 14:10 so obviously you are worng again. -"He's telling the Israelites no I'm not a human man, nope not the son of man either, But I shall do it and make good. So he says he is neither he says in the verse he shall become both." - false interpitation and your claim is worng IF U READ ROUND 1 ABOVE U WILL GET DE ANSWER! Who Jesus declared himself to be: He was a prophet (Matthew 13:57) He was the Messiah (Matthew 16:20) This is what Jesus explicitly and clearly said about himself, he was a prophet, the messiah, and not one of these terms denotes divinity or making one God. "Those are samuels words he was saying God doesn't lie or repent like a man/human being does. This actually wasn't God giving a speech about the nature of himself or humanity here as in numbers 23:19" - so you admitting there are contradiction in numbers,,, anyway here another verse that contradicts it: Ezekiel 24:14 I the LORD have spoken it: it shall come to pass, and I will do it; I will not go back, neither will I spare, neither will I repent. -"Malachi 1:3 For from the rising of the sun even unto the going down of the same my name shall be great among the Gentiles; and in every place incense shall be offered unto my name, and a pure offering: for my name shall be great among the heathen, saith the LORD of hosts" - here how jews respond to this its too long its cnot fit here in this small place here the link - http://biblelight.net... ... believe me jew all denying your prophecies in any sort of way you want to come. in short:- ", recent Catholic scholarship concludes that the Catholic Mass is not prophetically indicated in Mal 1:11, because a future tense is simply not supported by the Hebrew text, rather it is clearly an unwarranted imposition." "It should also be noted that Jesus Christ is actually the fathers name." it is not its your invention. "John 5:43 I am come in my Father's name" - whats the problem??? i dont understand jesus come in this fathers name meaning he is coming in his father with his religion, his way, his permission etc.. even every muslim says "in the name of allah the most merciful the most beneficent" before we doing anything so we claiming that we are all FATHERS? "by connecting John 5:43 with Hebrews 1:4 we can see how he inherited his name, from his father whose name is Jesus Christ." - his name not jesus christ, jesus distinct person from the father. unless you got verse that says jesus is the father. For the "IM" thing.. i have now small space remaining so watch this... and i answered this in my first debate! " Genesis 3:8 since God didn't know where Adam was. If he is God why didn't he know where Adam was ? Isn't he omnipresent ?" - its a contradiction or GOD ALMIGHTY playing hide and seek. "Matthew 24:36: "No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father" - explicitly its says "nor the son" meaning he isnt like god in knowlege. "ohn 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was." - 1- clearly father and jesus is distinct persons! jesus prays to god! does god pray to himself? " I had with thee before the world was" its speaking in the knowlenge of GOD see the video "im" answering the same question. "What Good would it do God for Herod to catch them and kill his earthly body ? he had plans for the cross to die for the sins of mankind, which was more important than having a show down with Herod for bragging rights" - harry poter tales are sounding more realiable and make more sense.. dude are you serious when you answering? god is a child runing from king to NOT TO BE KILLED CUZ HE GOT PLANS please... "So jesus was a bad man ?" - he is not good in sense that GOD IS GOOD THAT CALLED HUMBLENESS!!! " God inside of Christs body" - you make your own THOLEGY AND thumb sucking it all the way. Isaiah 9:6 - jews responding: http://www.whatjewsbelieve.org... -- in the first debate 80% of your points is answered in previous debate. secondly all the verses you wrote here (sayings of jesus) if you had even a poor english you would answer it all. you reading and understaning somthing else. thirdly you made a thoelgy that jesus is the father and even christains wont agree, and for 4th you didnt address my points as the whole : -Jesus fails the attributes of God -Jesus identified himself with terms such as prophet and Messiah -The eyewitness believers did not believe that Jesus was God -Jesus has a God! --IF YOU HAVE SIMPLE UNDERSTANDING OF ENGLISH YOU WILL ARIVE TO CONCLUSION THAT JESUS IS A PROPHET NOT GOD UNLSS PEOPLE GET BRAINWASHED TOO HARD-- Quran 21:18 Rather, We dash the truth upon falsehood, and it destroys it, and thereupon it departs. And for you is destruction from that which you describe.