Team Debate: Mace Windu vs. Darth Sidious

We will now defend our case, specifically on the use of Dun Möch, which we had previously agreed to abbreviate as DM. Mind Tricks and DM:Team Pro claims that mind tricks work only on the weak-minded, and that Mace Windu was clearly was not. They also claim that DM would not have worked on Windu, or may not have been used at all. However, no matter how strong-minded Windu was. we cannot ignore the facts.1. Pro claims that DM requires a verbal attack:Sidious did use words to demoralize the Jedi prior to the duel (1). Specifically,we are referring to two quotes which we shall elaborate on. a. “I am the Senate” - This phrase was used by Sidious which may have caused the Jedi to believe that their actions were futile and that Sidious controlled the Senate. This attack ultimately failed, as Windu sees the lie. b. “It’s treason, then” - This line had the potential effect of making the Jedi doubt their actions, breaking their concentration and allowing Sidious to strike. These quotes show characteristics of DM (2), said characteristics being the use of verbal attacks and, as we stated in R2, possibly mental attacks, to throw the opponent(s) off guard. Also note that Sidious is listed on the wiki as a “notable practitioner” and is described as “the greatest practitioner of all time”. This leads us to believe that he would use DM in most, if not all, of his duels. This duel would be no exception.2. DM’s effectiveness:The fact that Windu had control over his emotions is irrelevant. DM was used to merely break an opponent’s will to fight and/or concentration and did not necessarily require strong emotions to work. For example, it could merely be a distraction or, as we stated in R2, a mental attack. DM can take several forms, and the creation of an emotional imbalance is just one of them. a. Again, Sidious’ use of DM would break Windu’s concentration, negating the effects of Vaapad. b. Windu’s use of the “superconducting loop” is very interesting. However, as the R2 quote from Dark Lord: Rise of DarthVader may prove, Sidious threw the fight to turn Anakin to the dark side (see claims made in R2). While Pro may have shown that Vaapad was used in that situation, it is possible that Sidious stopped using his mental attacks, allowing WIndu to use Vaapad, and instead focused on Skywalker. For example, Sidious said “Anakin! I told you it would come to this. I was right. The Jedi are taking over! ” (1). This quote has several effects and can be considered as a usage of DM:1) By claiming that the Jedi were “taking over”, Sidious portrays the Jedi as the antagonists.2) “I told you it would come to this” shows that the fight was planned by Sidious and he used his power of foresightto plan the duel (3). Lightsaber CombatThe article on Sidious states that he was the equal of Windu in terms of lightsaber combat (3). Thus, even if Windu did use Vaapad, Sidious probably had a way to counter it, possibly in DM in conjunction with Force Rage (4), another of Sidious’ frequently used abilities. In any case, Windu did not have an advantage over Sidious. Thus, we conclude that Sidious did use DM and countered WIndu’s use of Vaapad, only to throw the fight so Anakin would turn to the dark side. Thus, in a fair fight, Sidious would have been the victor. Thank you and please vote Con! (1) - See R1 video(2) - . http://starwars.wikia.com...(3) - . http://starwars.wikia.com...(4) - . http://starwars.wikia.com...