Why can't christians take their god at his word? Well only whenit suits them as is the christian way

Pro didn't request a Christian or a theist to debate, so I happily jumped in to challenge and grow my deductive logic skills. ---------- PRO SAYS: "You've made some idiot christian value statements which never works. So we can go from there." I'm an Agnostic. Thus, ad hominem attacks won't work. ---------- PRO SAYS: "When you start making excuses for atrocities you have removed yourself from ANY valid discussion on morals." I don't need excuses in a philosophical debate where an Atheist starts calling things evil while believing and claiming objective evil does not exist. It pretty much takes care of itself. ---------- PRO SAYS: "When you say "yes the bible says you can own slaves but." 1)I didn't mention slaves. 2)For grins, I read through Exodus 21, and technically the Bible god doesn't command slavery or give any opinion on it being right or wrong. He simply tells the person how to treat a slave if they have one. ---------- PRO SAYS: "So let me ask you this" do you believe that there"s an all knowing all powerful fun loving god..." No. ---------- PRO SAYS: "Or "please don"t rape..." I found a verse that says that a rapist is to be killed as punishment. http://biblehub.com... ---------- PRO SAYS: "Here's an irrefutable vidie for you - top 10 reasons why the bible is repulsive." Psalm 19:7 "The law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the Lord is sure, making wise the simple." Proverbs 30:5 "Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him." Isaiah 40:8 "The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: but the word of our God shall stand for ever." None of those things seemed repulsive to me. A theoretical god's words standing forever probably isn't evil to 99 out of 100 people. ---------- PRO SAYS: "why isn't it evil for a man to have sex with a man?" Good question. Who knows? According to the bible, its worthy of death for absolutely no reason. So that proves god is evil and is based on hate." Hate is definately not objectively evil. Maybe I hate Nazis. Maybe I hate Hitler. Maybe the gays in the stories are child molesters, murderers, cannibals, etc. Who knows? Pro claims the Bible is a fairytale, so these particular fairytale gays could be anything I want to imagine them to be. I say the gays in the "fairytale story" are goblins and orcs trying to kill Frodo Baggins before he can reach Mount Doom. ----------- PRO SAYS: "Isaiah 45:7 as " I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things." AND CREATE EVIL. pretty simple isn"t it. So god IS evil if he states it. " 1)Using Pro's interpretation, creating evil and being evil are not the same thing. Being Hitler's mom does not make Hitler's mom evil simply because she birthed him. She doesn't magically inherit his evilness. 2)Using my interpretation, I say it means creating evil as in bringing something negative upon someone like wrath, vengeance, judgement, etc. None of which are objectively evil. Maybe they deserve the evil being brought upon them. ----------- PRO SAYS: "Oh but wait, you cannot even prove that this god even exists." That would just prove that the Christian/Jewish god cannot be evil. Non-existing beings cannot be evil by default. ----------- PRO SAYS: "Not only that since this god has these emotions it clearly means that he is imperfect." Having emotions and/or being imperfect doesn't make someone evil. Pro's first argument of the debate is that god is evil. ---------- PRO SAYS: "Strange isn"t it that in comparison that the Inca, many of the native American Indian tribes until your white man greasy sweaty racist pig christian wiped them out." 1)They were violent, warring, militant tribes who fought each other and took territory by force regularly. They also sacrificed babies, children, virgins, the elderly, the disabled, etc to their gods. 2)Most Christians in the world aren't white. 3)I'm not white. Nice ad hominem from out of nowhere though. 4)If "white men" were the only ones conquering tribes, why are Mexicans, who are descendants of conquistadors, brown? ---------- PRO SAYS: "and you should be stoned to death for it. So you follow your lord"s orders and you come on down here and stone me to death. Whatsamatter? You are not going to follow your god"s orders? Why? Why not?" It appears that Pro has become emotionally unhinged over something he believes doesn't exist. Nevertheless, I'll play the game. "When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, "Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her." (John 8:7) http://biblehub.com... http://www.dictionary.com... ---------- PRO SAYS: "As well as the practice of rape which is enthralled throughout the bible in which YOUR god loves. Its disgusting." I reiterate. "But if out in the country a man happens to meet a young woman pledged to be married and rapes her, the man who has done this shall die." (Deuteronomy 22:25) http://biblehub.com... ---------- PRO SAYS: "I really don"t care what the dictionary"s definition of "jealousy" is." Pro has decided to argue against the dictionary. ---------- PRO SAYS: "Jealousy goes wayyyyy beyond evil when it comes to YOUR god or any supreme deity." Oh? Tell me more. ---------- PRO SAYS: "Oh and oh yeah I once knew a coworker who"s girlfriend wanted to break up with him. Guess what happened next? He went into her work and shot her to death and he only did 4 years in prison." It looks to me like if the Bible god had decided punishment for the boyfriend, Bible god would have saved the girl from being killed with an extreme prevention method. Maybe Bible god isn't evil after all. Maybe love can be extreme. Who knows... ----------- PRO SAYS: "Especially negative emotions, which are evil" Not actually. Sadness, being depressed, anger, etc are negative emotions, & none are evil. ----------- PRO SAYS: "AND every single verse mentioned PROVES god"s BOTH ab-so-lu-te hate AND evil." Nope. Hate isn't objectively evil. Perhaps it is subjectively good to hate things that subjectively "should" be hated. ---------- PRO SAYS: "Btw, I don"t pay attention to biblehub. I only pay attention to legitimate websites that are worthwhile." All Biblehub is, is each verse from the Bible verbatim. In other words, it's an online Bible that gives 20-40 interpretations of each verse. I quote the Bible because Pro has actually made multiple claims so far that are demonstrably false. In one argument he quotes verses on a topic, but the verses aren't even about the topic. In some arguments he claims the Bible god has a trait that isn't given to the Bible god in the Bible, so he's actually made up traits. ---------- PRO SAYS: "god sent a death sentence to man with the downfall of Adam and Eve which is 100% pure hate and evil." 1)Some people view death as mercy. Some people don't want to live forever. 2)Some people don't subjectively deserve to live. It's semantics. ---------- PRO SAYS: "god is NOT a god, does not know everything, is in no possible way in charge of everything, is not all knowing nor is he all powerful, clearly does not know everything, is in no way omnipotent, and is not perfect. You choose." This has nothing to do with Pro's original claim, that "god is evil". Having less abilities or powers doesn't make someone evil. ---------- PRO SAYS: "It matters what god believes and what is stated in bible." If he isn't real, which is Pro's claim, he can't possibly be evil or worth getting tyrannical about. It is man that is evil. Every religion and even atheists have mass murdered other groups. Maybe "god" isn't the problem. Maybe he's just an excuse used in different ways. God doesn't seem to prevent or cause human cruelty. Theists and Atheists have both quickly killed anyone in their way. God doesn't appear to be the variable cause of evil in the world. ----------- PRO SAYS: "when he could have created peace, love, harmony, care, kindness, love for ALL TIME. Nah. He chose hate and evil, anger, wrath, vengeance, rage, fury, jealousy." Actually, to make people love each other and you, could be defined as evil, per totalitarianism. The negative options are actually an example of what being free to choose who and what you love looks like. ---------- REFERENCES: http://biblehub.com... http://atheistsareidiots.blogspot.com... https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com... https://en.m.wikipedia.org...