LM Classic: Sherlockmethod vs MTGandP

Cable According to the official rules, a street level character can be on human level OR can fight people on a local level. My opponent has not refuted this. There is nothing more I can say on the subject. Onslaught I specified about Onslaught in round 2: "the Onslaught that I am using does not contain those two." This is early enough to give my opponent time to respond. I agree that I should have specified Onslaught, but only because it caused confusion. "Because I said so" is a valid statement, since I decide the incarnation of the characters I am using. My opponent has not refuted my core point, which is that Onslaught is one body and one mind, therefore not a collective. "I have presented sufficient arguments to void team MTGandP" Whether Onslaught contains Franklin Richards, doesn't, or is even a legal character, and whether Cable is legal, is ultimately not relevant to the outcome of this debate. The Fight "1.Con refused to let go of his bait and switch with Onslaught and would not acknowledge that Franklin was part of the collective." Even accepting my opponent's version of events, refutations still apply. I made refutations in round 3 which were not responded to. "2.I played my characters to the fullest. Con's whole position rested on a speed blitz or a complete psychic takeover." So my opponent wins the creativity contest. He deserves it. But that's not what this debate is about. "My first strategy dealt with Doom's manipulation skills with Superman. Con simply dismissed such occurrences in comics as "mere plot devices"." Actually, I offered three reasons why it wouldn't work. That is only one of them. "Con simply repeated that his team outclassed mine, was not on the same level, etc." I also demonstrated strategies by which my team would win. "My debate points were much more robust." Team Sherlockmethod wins creativity, but not the battle. "I ask Con to please present the constant "n" where n is the number representing the result of a Kryptonian, powered by the yellow sun, combined with a super powered female combined with a psychic attack on a shield made purely of arcane magic." How do I represent a result with a number? "As I presented in this debate, Doom is a powerful master of the arcane arts, second only to Dr. Strange as humanoids go. I submit that he could create a shield to hold these attacks for more than one second." Superman can push an earth-sized planet. Earth weighs about 10^24 pounds (that's a lot). My opponent has not quantitatively said how much Doom's forcefields can hold against, but I doubt that even Dr. Strange's forcefield could hold against a punch from Superman. If it somehow can hold, imagine thousands upon millions of punches thrown in less than a millisecond. Dr. Doom (and even Dr. Strange) is only a human, with human endurance. Maybe he has superhuman magic, but can his forcefields hold against punches that could move a planet? Even if Doom can somehow hold off Superman, it won't matter since Wonder Woman can kill everyone else while Superman is working on Dr. Doom. (Not a new strategy: see round 3 "Superman can break Doom's forcefield while Wonder Woman is killing the rest of Team Sherlockmethod") "4.Con's whole position was to dismiss my team as inferior and not the same class as his." What about all of my arguments? I did frequently say things about Superman's and Wonder Woman's extreme speed, and how Team Sherlockmethod wouldn't have time to react, but this is only a subset of my overall strategy. "Con's case: my team outclasses yours. Not good enough." Correct. And that is why I relied on actual arguments instead of straw men. ======== Conclusion As I have demonstrated, my team will emerge victorious no matter whether Onslaught and Cable are legal. My victory in no way relies upon these possibly-illegal characters. But if they turn out to be legal after all, then so much the better. Every single one of my arguments stand unrefuted. No matter your perspective, the clear winner is Team MTGandP. Remember, this debate is not about creativity: it is about war. Vote for Team MTGandP: the True Warrior's Team. This has been a most enjoyable, if rather unorthodox, debate.