(Pro) Atheistic evolution vs Christian creationism (con).

Round three rebuttals"For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. Ever since the creation of the world his eternal power and divine nature, invisible though they are, have been understood and seen through the things he has made. So they are without excuse." [Romans 1:19-21]" Lois_grayFirst, my opponent has used the Bible as a source. First, the Bible is not a trustworthy source due to self-promotion, think of why a defendant hires a lawyer in lieu of defending him/herself. Second, the Bible has many contradictions, up to 1001."1001 CONTRADICTIONS & DISCREPANCIESin the CHRISTIAN BIBLES" [9]A good example is that Christianity claims monotheism, when in fact it is a polytheistic religion. The Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost. That's three Gods, not one. The over reliance on physical impossibilities and and all miracles fitting into ad hoc fallacies. The ambiguity of the Bible, the Lord works in mysterious ways. The sheer number of translations and possible mistranslations and forgeries. Second, there are alternative explanations to how the universe came to be as it is today. ""We see that things which lack knowledge, such as natural bodies, act for an end, and this is evident from their acting always, or nearly always, in the same way, so as to obtain the best result. Hence it is plain that they achieve their end, not fortuitously, but designedly. Now whatever lacks knowledge cannot move towards an end, unless it be directed by some being endowed with knowledge and intelligence; and this being we call God" -Thomas Aquinas ~Summa Theologica, Article 3, Question 2" Lois_grayThis could be attributed to instincts and information stored with DNA. "We can indeed use our five senses to analyse the existence of divine design." Lois_grayYou have not provided any proof that this is divine design, there are alternative explanations that are more rational.""In crossing a heath, suppose I pitched my foot against a stone, and were asked how the stone came to be there; I might possibly answer, that, for anything I knew to the contrary, it had lain there forever: nor would it perhaps be very easy to show the absurdity of this answer. But suppose I had found a watch upon the ground, and it should be inquired how the watch happened to be in that place; I should hardly think of the answer I had before given, that for anything I knew, the watch might have always been there." [1] "Every indication of contrivance, every manifestation of design, which existed in the watch, exists in the works of nature; with the difference, on the side of nature, of being greater or more, and that in a degree which exceeds all computation. If we take the well-known, William Paley's "watch maker argument" it can be understood that for this world to be working so that it is not absolute chaos, similarly to a watch, there must be a designer" [2] By taking Paley's watch analogy, we can understand that such complexity requires a designer, You can take anything in front of you and ask 'how is this here?' as you would well know, it did not just suddenly appear in front of you, it would first have required to be designed for it to fulfill it's purpose, for it to even exist." Lois_GrayThis a word puzzles little different than that of Zeno's Paradox of the Tortoise and Achilles. [9] Btw, Achilles catches the tortoise. I may not be able to personally prove Paley's watch analogy wrong, but I do know that it is either wrong or provides very weak evidence for the existence of God. I could also make a word puzzle that claims God doesn't exist. "Cosmological argument" Lois_GrayAnother word puzzle. See above."ontological argument" Lois_GrayDitto as above. "P2: That than which nothing greater can be conceived must exist" Lois_GrayThere is no logical reason to believe the above is true. "Alvin Plantinga gives an example of such an argument;"Either God exists or 7+5=14therefore God exists" [5]" Lois_GrayThis makes no sense. Why would mathematics be dependent upon God's existence?"C: God is the cause of the universe" Lois_GrayGod leads to the problem of infinite regressions. A creator is inherently more complex than the creation. There are alternative explanations like the Multi-verse theory. [10] "~we can claim that scientific explanations of the universe are simply theories, therefore, we can understand the explanation of the universe through God; is in balance with the explanation of the universe through science." Lois_GrayWhile it is true that we can look through the Christian lens or the scientific lens, one is much more probable, more rational, and logical, that is science."God was the beginning of a chain of events, making the universe and all beings as it is today. Thus i have proved that the existence of a God can be proved using our 5 senses." Lois_GraySimply stating "God did it" is a non-answer that creates more questions than answers including infinite regressions."You claim "Jesus cannot be God because he cannot be the source of all moral authority"" Lois_GrayMy opponent has violated the round structure by making a rebuttal in round two, which should have been saved for round three. I will respond to this in round four. "Also, I would like to point out that you have misinterpreted """"20 And if a man smite his servant, or his maid, with a rod, and he die under his hand; he shall be surely punished." " Lois_GrayMy opponent has violated the round structure again. "Round two each person will make their argument, but no direct responses to the other person' argument. " stupidape round one. Thanks for debating. Sources.9. http://platonicrealms.com...10. http://www.space.com...