The system of "Sin" is not fair.

As a preface to anyone who is viewing this debate: 1. Whether you are Christian or Non-Christian, please view the facts as they are presented as unbiased as possible... otherwise the voting could never truly reflect the facts 'not opinions' presented as they are for THIS debate. I thank the Pro for providing the only ground work for this type of debate... and something that even you the reading must agree to for the sake of voting properly. 2. "Note: For this debate you must assume the bible is true." <--- As per the Pro. 3. Also reader, please note that he does use the term 'true' and not 'real'. So you must accept, for the purposes of this debate that EVERYTHING the Bible says is 'TRUE' and not false. The definition of sin is: To go against or disobey god. First Rebuttal: 1. "The system in the bible for sin and it's punishment, is not fair in regards to humanity." -Surprisingly this was actually my first statement that I was locked into and I realized that there is actually flaw to this statement. The flaw is the word humanity! The definition that is. You see if I were to take your rules seriously about this debate than this statement is done out of ignorance. I could literally use basic math to rephrase the sentence to see it a little more clearly by using your given definition of sin. "The system in the bible for [disobeying God]and it's punishment[of going to hell], is not fair in regards to humanity." For you to fully understand the Bibles arguments that God is in fact being "fair", you must understand God's attributes. There are many, but the main one is God is Holy. Many Christians surprisingly don't even know what this means! The bible says God is "Holy, holy, holy" (Revelation 4:8), it's saying that He is separated, separated, separated (Old Hebrew language would repeat something that is important rather than modern English using BOLD or exclamations) which is referring to God being so very separated from the world, people, evil and sin that it is not even funny. Again not by choice, it's just what he is. So when Adam and Eve disobeyed God's commandment of not eating from the tree of good and evil, they chose to disobey God's commandment and because they had knowledge like God ABOUT sin, unlike God, they had freewill to act upon that knowledge. And again God is Holy and sin has no part in God or his actions whatsoever, God simply has knowledge of it just like Satan told Eve. The end result is a disobedience woman and man who passing their "corruption" to their descendants "Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption." -1 Corinthians 15:50 THEN ENTERS MY NICE FLOW INTO YOUR FIRST ARGUMENT... 2. "Sins of our Fathers" "Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me." Psalms 51:5 - To be absolutely clear, their is nothing in the bible that says God has ever or will ever give a death sentence to a baby whose (according to your example) parents are terrible role models when it comes to following God. "I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children, and on the third and the fourth generations of THOSE WHO HATE ME, but showing lovingkindness to thousands, to those WHO LOVE ME AND KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS." Without going into a lot of detail, there is nowhere here that says God will kill or send to hell the sons of sinful parents. You'd have to reach petty far to get it there. Deuteronomy 24:16 says, "Fathers shall not be put to death for their sons, nor shall sons be put to death for their fathers; everyone shall be put to death for his own sin." Lastly your remark about us being "moral" is also ignorance because according to the rules the Bible is true, so if I were to take that and rephrase your remark it would read... "We as [Sinful, disobedient people] do not in good moral conscience blame the [psalms 51:5] for the father's mistakes. We do not give [psalms 51:5] death sentences because the father murdered." <---- How can immoral sinful people have a good moral conscious? I'm just trying to follow your Rule about the Bible being true! "And we do this for a reason, that being that someone who did not participate in the crime should not be blamed or punished, regardless of genetic similarity." <------ I agree and God does too! 3. Those "undeserving" of Hell. -For the sake of readers getting bored I will correct some Biblical areas as per your rule, as to bring about a quick non-biased approach from the reader: "In the bible there is the belief that whoever sins and does not [ask for] forgiveness goes to Hell." "This is both before and after Jesus, with Jesus being the way to salvation after he ascends to Heaven." Not so my friend according to the Bible which is true for the sake of this debate "Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea; And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea; And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ." 1 Corinthians 10:4 "P1:God punishes many people throughout the bible without a chance at redemption. This is shown in the Flood [Noah is called a Preacher of Righteousness - 2 Peter 2:5], Sodom and Gomorrah [Genesis 18:16-33 says that Abraham pleaded for the safety of Sodom]"the Amelekites(the list goes on). These people(men, women, and children) all [were killed] thanks to God's actions [I don't get this, so if an executioner, in your words "morally" executes a killer then the executioner is wrong?]. "It sets the standard that God can kill anyone at anytime and send them to an eternal torture." <-----This is actually very surprisingly biblical. Psalm 115:3 says "But our God is in the heavens; He does whatever He pleases." and 1 Samuel 2:6 says "The LORD kills and makes alive; He brings down to Sheol and raises up." "P2: Those who could not have known of God or his religion went to hell regardless of they were "good" according to the bible's system." <---- I just have to ask, who are these so called "good" people your are referring to specifically? "P3: God selects his chosen people, and condemns all others to Hell. <---- This is simply not founded in any scripture although Israel is God's chosen people God even wanted to wipe out Israel at one point [Numbers 14:11-19]. "According to the Bible, the Jews were God's "chosen people", meaning he had forsaken all others to Hell until the time of Jesus and the opening up of the religion thanks to Christianity."<----please refer to previous C: The system of Sin-and-Punishment the bible presents DOES IN FACT present a fair chance at salvation for all of humanity and punishes those undeserving of punishment. I hope I've been fair in my rebuttal.