Atheists can go to heaven

sleepiB, you don't seem to understand the fact that for the sake of this argument, I am assuming heaven to by the hypothetical truth. Essentially I have said that if there is, in fact a heaven, which i previously defined, could a man not of that specific religion, or even one who does not believe in that religion, get there? Anyway, on to analyzing your argument. "You did not limit your argument to any Christian idea, nor specify if that idea is textual, or derived from an oral tradition. " >>>You're absolutely right, however this is completely irrelevant. Once again, I am arguing a hypothetically factual heaven and a hypothetically sinless man. My reference to Christianity was merely that: a reference. I built up a situation to support my point. Also, this idea(I will assume you're talking about the topic of the debate) is not textual, or derived from an oral tradition as far as i know, but that again, is irrelevant. I do not need to quote scriptures and poor translations to support my side of the argument. I already did that and then some in round 2, which after, given the chance, you have done nothing to contradict my points or even bring up one of your own, but merely argue the existence of heaven, which is clearly not the topic of this debate. "If you want to limit this discussion to Christianity, what if fundamentalist baptists are correct? Their belief system dictates that it is physically impossible for any human to live morally, that our sins are inherited, and that the only way for any human to get into heaven is through Christ. " >>>Finally, a point to analyze, and a good one at that. If fundamentalist baptism were to be the absolute truth, then this could contradict my argument. But let's look at this closely for a moment. >>>>>>"the only way for any human to get into heaven is through Christ. " >>>>>>This is a legitimate belief, but it does seem to have a slight flaw to it. By this belief, my sinless man, created in the scenario of the previous round, would be banished to hell for all eternity. Why is this? For merely not believing, perhaps even not knowing of the existence of Christ. Does this mean that NOT knowing about Jesus Christ is a deadly sin? Perhaps the deadliest of them all, in fundamentalist baptism, if it is the deciding factor of who stays and who goes in heaven. >>>>>>But this is where my hypothetical situation becomes contradicted, because in fundamentalist baptism, you are essentially saying that not believing in Jesus Christ is a sin, which would make my "sinless" man, no longer sinless. In this scenario, for a man to be sinless and go to heaven, he would have to believe in the faith. >>>So fundamentalist baptism works against my favor, in the sense of nothing more than a technicality. But again, this is assuming religion on a very small scale, where as I argue the topic of all religions that believe in some equivalent of "Heaven". And to answer your previous question, yes, in this hypothetical world, all religions who do not believe in the existence of heaven are wrong. This is not a statement about the real world, merely to filter out any excess confusion in the argument. >>>Now I will end my closing argument with a breakdown of this debate, concluding with why I believe i have won. 1:Throughout this argument, my opponent has been arguing irrelevant issues that honestly belong in a separate debate. 2:While I have provided ample points to support my side of the argument, my opponent has provided but none. 3:I have analyzed every response my opponent has made, and provided counterarguments to each, where as my opponent only made one legitimate contradiction to my argument. This was quite a contradiction i must admit, but due to the restrictive aspect of his contradiction, does not disprove my point, that in fact, overall, a sinless Atheist CAN and SHOULD go to Heaven, if there is such a place. >>>I would like to end this argument by saying thank you to sleepiB for accepting it, and I would like to urge the voters to choose based on the debate, not on your personal beliefs.