Three issues against North Korea.

Pro's 4 round posts lack an argument, reread, see below. I'll base most of this argument on Pros 3rd round post. I want to remind Pro of the original resolutions terms, this is not me arguing that North Korea can be controlled or that North Korea is a "fair" state. i) The proposed peace treaty between North Korea and the United States should be rejected. ii) The ICC (International Criminal Court) should issue an arrest warrant for Kim Jong-Il (or the triumvirate of Kim Jong-Il, Kim Yong-Il and Kim Yong-nam) and pursue prosecution against him for crimes against humanity. iii) The UN should, if necessary, reject its procedures and violate North Korea's national sovereignty to take action against it (including arrest and prosecution of the leaders). NOT i) North Korea should disarm Nuclear weapons ii) Defectors are treated badly or abused. iii) North Korea has committed crimes against humanity. You have lost the starting roots of your argument this is why (in the comments) I say the 4th round is personal and lacking in argument. Look over your 4th round and relate it to the resolutions, you should understand. If you relate it to the 2nd and 3rd motions is far-related and rash. Arguments __________ >>Above Underscore Line 1 I know and I agree. No connection what so ever. __________ >>Below Underscore Line 1 "South Korea believes that it can convince Kim Jong-il to act humanely," you are yet to successfully say Kim has actually acted inhumanly your only attempt was Rome Status violations. (Answered in the arguments below). Six Nation talks NOT Six Nation nuclear disarmament talks. Note that Korea didn't have Nuclear weapons the first time. The Peace treaty stops the war and allows Negotiations for ANYTHING between the countries though Nuclear Disarmament is a hot topic the talks are not for that or for any specific purpose at all. "No international court can intervene unless North Korea becomes a signatory to either of them, which there is no sign of. " Then why did you propose it? "I would deny any diplomatic relations with North Korea unless they change their ways, and we shouldn't just sit around and wait for them to do so, it is not going to happen because there is no incentive on North Korea's part to do so. " -and that is the argument, morally that's wrong, it makes you a war monger. __________ >>Below Underscore Line 2 a. ) It is systematic - the public execution and other killings by soldiers, or perhaps less direct killings by enforced starvation, of political criminals without a trial can be considered murder. I might also like to add that the North has also sent representatives to foreign countries where they have attempted murders, such as the Silmido incident, "a 1983 bombing that killed several members of the South Korean government, and the 1987 destruction of a South Korean airliner over the Thailand-Myanmar border" (. http://www.answers.com......) R-a) Records of their murder must be by the state signed and authorized BY KIM IL SUNG. I) the public execution murder without a trial isn't a crime against humanity. Assassinations can be denied, you must prove it. It's not strong enough as a case to be taken to the ICC d. ) I perhaps should have argued this one. Also written about in the book Aquariums of Pyongyang, after being released from a concentration camp, one is not allowed to live in the city, which is reserved for the elite only. Some people are forcibly removed from the city to be relocated elsewhere. R-d) "Deportation or forcible transfer of population" means forced displacement of the persons concerned by expulsion or other coercive acts from the area in which they are lawfully present, without grounds permitted under international law; e. ) My intentions may have instead been covered by (f) and (k), so OK then. R-e) F doesn't exist and h is "? " f. ) How can torture be considered "legal" to you? Whether or not it is legal under North Korea's laws is irrelevant. R-e) Torture is legal in North Korea and outside North Korea, just need a national court allowance. g. ) Forced prostitution/rape and so on doesn't occur necessarily within the concentration camp, did you miss my source on the Gippeumjo? R-g) Gippeumjo aren't raped they're concubines, that make them Prostitutes, that is Legal from Nation to Nation. Exploited but legal I don't see North Korea making a camp SPASIFICALLY for rape. h. ) I'm sorry, what? R-h) Non Systematic as is in the Definition in the Article, "reduction camps aren't surprisingly" for Persecution, as is what happens in North Korea. If Persecution happens it's not in the camps intention. I need the order form by North Koreas to prove this, but it is for this reason that it has been so hard to make a real if ICC allegation against them. i. ) Nope what? North Korea has kidnapped these people, and it counts. R-i) No, see torture k. ) ? R-k) Aquariums of Pyongyang is based on the see Yodok reeducation camp, Last round. --Quotes of Pros errors-- "The evidence is hardly questionable, especially given that most organisations, including the UN itself, have recognised the atrocities. " Citation needed, as I've said time and time again it's too hard to prove they did anything illegal. "I never proposed a war. " But you do now. "The peace treaty should be rejected. We shouldn't sign off an entire nation's human rights to the devil and allow them to continue to abuse people without our official objection to protect ourselves. " That's not the Situation. It's doesn't affect human rights at all, it's just talks, nothing more noting less. __________ >>Round 4 No Argument -Article style, reasoning is for sympathy not negating -Unjustified - Relies of Faith of Future -Unrelated Though, I am to blame, a missing 4th round gives you no reason to argue. --- That's all, look forward to a concluding round. __________ Citations - [. http://untreaty.un.org...] - [http:// en. wikipedia. org/] - All other Sources restated from the Last rounds.