Evil proves God does not exist (4)

4 Rounds 8,000 Character limit 72 Hours to respond 1 Month voting period NO VIDEO LINKS --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- PROBLEMS ? If you have any problem with the debate please post in the comments section first so we can try to come to an agreement before starting. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- EXPECTATIONS It is expected that both parties act in good faith, eg no semantics, no cheap shots. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Round 4 Round 4 is the last round, no new arguments are to be made in round 4. Only rebuttals, counter arguments of the previous arguments, and summaries. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- DEFINITIONS Definition of God = Its existence is uncaused, morally good, all powerful, all knowing, personal, the prime/first mover --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Opening Statement & What this debate is about The existence of evil has been used as a "proof" against Gods' non existence for a long time, by arguing the impossibility of God existing and evil existing. According to wikipedia.... "In the philosophy of religion, the problem of evil is the question of how to explain evil if there exists a deity that is omnibenevolent, omnipotent, and omniscient (see theism).[1][2] Some philosophers have claimed that the existence of such a God and of evil are logically incompatible or unlikely"" [1] It should be noted, that this debate is about the logical incompatibility of evil existing and God existing. Is there an explicit contradiction between God existing and evil existing ? What if I was to argue the following.... 1) If rabbits exist then aliens from another world don't exist. 2) rabbits do exist. 3) Therefore aliens from another world don't exist. Even if everyone agrees that rabbits exist, this argument doesn't work, because there is no explicit contradiction between rabbits existing and aliens from another world also existing. Now consider this argument...... 1) If evil exists then God does not exist. 2) evil does exist. 3) Therefore God does not exist. Once again, this argument doesn't work, even if we all agree that evil exists, there is no explicit contradiction between evil existing and God existing. As William Craig says when addressing the existence of evil and God.... "According to the logical problem of evil, it is logically impossible for God and evil to co-exist. If God exists, then evil cannot exist. If evil exists, then God cannot exist. Since evil exists, it follows that God does not exist. But the problem with this argument is that there’s no reason to think that God and evil are logically incompatible. There’s no explicit contradiction between them. But if the atheist means there’s some implicit contradiction between God and evil, then he must be assuming some hidden premises which bring out this implicit contradiction.." [2] Seeing Pro is the one arguing that evil proves God does not exist, I shall await their argument. I look forward to Pros response. Sources [1] http://en.wikipedia.org... [2] http://www.reasonablefaith.org...