Justin Bieber should be killed and forgotten.

1. I am not committing a straw man. I am simply flushing out your views to their logical ends. You say that "taking resources" is solid grounds for Justin Bieber's killing, but when I try to apply that premise universally you're against it. If you're making the claim that it would be better for this world if JB was killed due his resource consumption, then this claim could clearly be extended to countless other individuals whose only crime was too much resource consumption. 2. You want proof that JB creates love? Look to his fans, parents, or girlfriend. Without getting overly semantical, it is clear that JB creates both love and hate. Pro puts up a meager defense of the point by referencing youtube comments, which constitutes a handful of individuals. Look at Bieber's fan base - check his album sales, concert sales, itunes downloads - it is clear that Bieber - if not creating love, is certainly creating plenty of happiness. Whatever Bieber hatred exists out there is nothing compared to his fanbase which adores him. I must dispute the "killed and forgotten" point. My opponent is attempting to frame the issue with the interpretation that the memory of Bieber's fanbase would immediately be wiped clear, which obviously has no basis in reality. In reality, when celebrities are "forgotten" it is over an extended period of time. There would still certainly be sadness in the wake of his death. Regardless, even if he was promptly forgotten, Bieber has a right to life. As a member of a moral community, we are all granted certain rights and Bieber is no exception. Rights can be violated in EXTREME circumstances, but "death for the sake of killing" certainly does not constitute one. Being 'killed and forgotten' would also exempt the murderer from any form of justice. Bieber's murder, in itself, would constitute an injustice and I fear the excessive focus on Bieber's "value" to this world as a form of justifying his right to life strongly detracts from this point. The way Pro is attempting to argue this debate is to frame it in a plus or minus "expected value" type situation. The way Pro sees it, if he can bring up X number of points that support the notion that JB is a net bane to the world, this warrants his deletion. There are no rights in this world. What my opponent fails to understand is that when rights are violated it makes the world, overall, a worse place. Not only is there a murderer on the loose now, but the rights of an individual - who is an end unto himself - have been trampled. To be killed and forgotten would constitute the ultimate tragedy that could befall any human. 3. This was one of the points that I did not respond to seriously in previous rounds because the argument is ridiculous in the first place. There is an opportunity cost to every action. The claim could just as easily be "humans should not interact with their opposite sex parent because it could be time spent learning spelling." Even so, the argument is not entirely true given the idea that fans tend to learn their favorite artist's lyrics, and these lyrics can contribute to increased knowledge in spelling and writing. 4. I'm surprised that my opponent is seriously defending this view given that Justin Bieber is only 17. Many 17 year olds look girlish, that's because they are adolescents - but no reasonable person would believe that their appearance should be a reason for their death. To make this claim Pro must show that JB's genes are "bad" - whatever that may mean. I would lastly like to add that I should not be on the defensive here. The -/+ analysis being used here is highly dubious, and it is crucial that Pro provide suitable grounds for violating JB's rights as a human being. Not only has Pro failed to provide a powerful argument that JB is a negative force in balance, but he has failed to address the issue of moral rights. For those who still follow the "balance" idea that JB somehow needs to validate his existence or right to life through being a positive, force for good, there is a number of charities that JB has and will contribute to. -Bieber plans to give a portion of the profits of his upcoming fragrance to charity. [1] -Bieber contributed to a charity album that raised over $5 million for tsunami victims [2] -For Bieber's 17th birthday, he encouraged fans to donate to a foundation called "Charity Water" and has so far raised over 47k and served over 2300 needy people. [3] In conclusion, the reasons Pro provided in support of the resolution were weak, and when I tried to critically examine them he cried foul. In addition, I believe that even if JB were a force for negative in this world, the simple act of violating his rights and a murderer going unpunished constitute a strong injustice that would be a very clear negative for the world. I realize there is confusion over the word "forgotten" and this semantical issue will likely not be settled. Either way, the death of JB would be a negative event that would not help the environment in any significant way, leave thousands who would have normally been effected by JB's charity unhelped through Bieber's promotion, and result in the death of an innocent child who had clearly been a force for good in this world. Vote Con. [1] http://greencelebrity.net... [2] http://www.baltimoresun.com... [3] http://mycharitywater.org...