Christianity is no moral benchmark, it is rather the most immoral philosophy in history

Thank you for engaging me and joining to argue the con of this argument. Con stated: "Not sure what Pro is claiming, but there is a motivation to pray for another person as James 5:16, Hebrews 13:18-19, 1 Timothy 2:1-2, Luke 6:28, and more verses command us to do." Again, because only one sin must be adhered to, and by doing so gives evverlasting life & happiness, the quotes you mention are irrelevant. Because failing to do any of those things is precisely how jesus saves you-from your failure to do those things, and by having faith in him alone you get grace and salvation. That much is clear, so again that other stuff is a suggestion at best, but NOT necessary for the greatest gift of salvation offered by the religion. Command you? It says not to mix your fibers as well-do you follow that command? How bout the ones about stoning your wife or child? How bout the ones that tell you to take slaves? Do you follow these commands? No, because there is only one that counts and only one that determines your eternal fate in the end. I thought this was clear as far as reasoning and feel I'm repeating what I already said and explained. You must show the benefit or the punishment for failing to do those 'commands', otherwise you only demonstrate what I said-they are fluff. Allow me to use your citations to prove it: Hebrews 13:18 Says be honorable in all things, and doing so will bring back Jesus sooner, this is assumably your claim of a reward or benefit that motivates thus hypothetically showing I'm wrong. But, that's not really a benefit that you weren't getting anyway-you'll go to heaven regardless, by faith in Jesus alone and if it's 20 years sooner than later, it hardly means a thing when what we're talking about is ETERNITY! When the reward for the One commandment is eternal bliss, again, ETERNAL bliss, can we even add 20 years to eternity which means infinity? No, mathematically it fails as W34; + 20 = W34; which is the same thing as W34; + 0 which also equals W34;, no this cannot be claimed a benefit in the context of the thing at stake-the eternal soul according to this religion. So Hebrews gets a door prize, but must be moving along. 1 TIM 2:1 This one is not about action, but about prayer, thanksgivings and other interactions with your god such to include everyone and most especially kings and those in power. The last part should already arouse suspicion, but regardless this is about good behavior, good acts toward others, and I specifically said "not talk", For you to claim these prayers are more than just talk, and actual action that benefits others, thus fulfilling the requirement, would require you to prove your god thus proving your prayer has any effect and thu qualiifies. You cannot so you cannot offer 1 Tim 2:1 as evidence of doing anything for someone else, much less everyone and kings.... Prayer also cannot be proven or measured, that is you can say you are praying for me-but you can't prove it even if you kneel and say the words aloud, you could be picturingg my torture in hateful vengeance in your mind-so if you wish to use prayer as evidence, I'd like to introduce a few unicorns as surprise witnesses, and since they're in the bible, I assume they'd be allowed. So again we have the same bogus benefit-if you do this thing that isn't doing anythign and thus already failed as no positivity for others can be proven therefore is precluded from being claimed, but what is the claimed benefit if we pretend the first part was satisfied? A tranquil life. Well first, I can get that without praying for kings or anyone. Second, again we have the infinity + X still yields infinity and is equal to what you get if X=0 so even a benefit/reward is not true here either by the bible's own promise of eternal bliss. Paul as always fails on both accounts and will not be asked back next year. Luke 6:28 You forgot the argument on this one as sure, Luke says turn the cheek-but where is our reward for doing so or punishment for failure? Nowhere in the passage, again as I said-it's a suggestion, nothing more. Commands have teeth-like "Get out of the car with your hands up!" is a command because there is a consequence if you don't do what is ordered. There is no authority or threat of power, therefore there is no command and assumptions or claims of implicity don't count as they are inconstent, that is, it would require ALL biblical commands be commands by nature of some implicit threat which means none would be explicit yet they are. Luke gets a free popcorn, but failed to produce what was needed. So let's get back to what I'm claiming-that because of what you just helped me show-that no real benefit and therefore no real motivation and no real reason exists in the bible to do good things for others, it cannot be claimed to motivate people to do so. IF there is no good, that gets me halfway. But feel free to throw more passages as you now see how they fail and know what to look for; 1/ something that benefits others, not just the self 2/ something that offers a reward or punishment that is real (ie not 20 years next to W34; which is a joke) Con said: "You point out that Judas caused Jesus to die, but it is by Jesus' own life and death we are saved according to John 10:18." No, you misunderstand me, I didn't say Judas caused Jesus to die. If asked, I would say the bible says WOMAN caused Jesus to die, and the Jews, not Judas. I said you are SAVED because of Judas as without him tattletailing on Jesus, Jesus would have kept hiding as he was and not been crucified which is the sacrifice claimed necessary for your absolution and salvation. So to dispell that you must address what i said, you have to show what Jesus did to save you that he had a choice in, dying without a choice doesn't fit the bill. Further, from his behavior until captured-he would have chose NOT to save you, or show me otherwise. Who's efforts led to Jesus being killed and therefore 'dying for your sins'?? Jesus? or Judas? Clearly Judas. What did Jesus do? He was gracious enough to die once they had a hold of him and he had no choice but to do so? He hardly gets credit for that. Con said: "There is 1 unforgivable sin which i presume you mean in Matt. 12:31, however based on context and other passages, blasphemy against the Spirit isn't an instant sin done, but a continual rejection of God's grace."" First, it's again in 3 gospels: Matt 12:31, Mark 3:29 and Luke 12:10 What this is or isn't is irrelevant as the point is whatever it is - it's clearly a command as it has authority of the nature required-a real punishment or benefit, and it is a punishment -eternal suffering, by being barred from salvation. But it has nothing to do with other people, just the god. So nobody benefits except YOU by doing it. So it cannot be said that this one command offers anything to anyone else in this world. And really it does nothing for you except offer a reason to be afraid of not cowering and coveting before your god. Meanwhile, we see no other commands are real as the offenses are all forigiveable elswhere. That is the argument in a nutshell, now with 3 examples based on the gospels. Lastly, the bible does say his creation is perfect as it says GOD IS PERFECT. A perfect being cannot do imperfect things, including create poorly. Those omnis will get you into trouble every time when it comes to logic and consistence. And I don't think you supporting slavery and arguing it compassionate or just helps your argument, it helps mine-as you demonstrate the thinking one may have based on the bible's "morality". In reality, slavery is NEVER okay, it is NEVER moral unless a ruse (ie for the sake of a benefit to the slave somehow in a real way. Nothing for others, just the self, and offers you to avoid taking responsibility for yourself much less others. Most immoral teaching ever, and further, motivates with fear!