Charmandar is so much better then Bulbasaur

First, my opponent states that my point regarding the fact that "Charmander would suffer from a water attack" is incorrect given that Bulbasaur has no water attacks. In response, I contend that this is nothing more than a red herring employed by the instigator. If I recall, this debate is about proving whether or not Charmander is SO MUCH better than Bulbasaur, not whether or not Charmander could beat Bulbasaur in a fight. Clearly, given that their weaknesses balance out, this would suggest that they were equal. Second, to pacify the opposition, I shall go ahead and argue under the idea that this debate concerns who'd win in a fight: 1) Charizard is NOT Charmander just as Venasaur is NOT Bulbasaur, thus, PRO citing these pokemon and changing their abilities has no bearing on this debate. Noting this, it must be noted that PRO has by no means upheld his stance. 2) However, even it did have bearing, Venasaur will still more likely be the victor in a duel with Charizard. As suggested by their base stats (1, 2), although it's true that Charizard is faster than Venasaur, his HP, defense and special defense are all lower than that of Venasaur's. From this, we note that Venasaur would be able to shrug off more attacks than Charizard would. Also, if you'll note Venasaur's move list, you'll note that it has more status effecting techniques. Most importantly, this Pokemon can use sleep powder. Thus, as the overconfident beast Charizard makes its speedy assault, Venasaur can sit down comfortably and surround itself with sleep powder the moment Charizard is in range. This will temporarily put Charizard to sleep and will provide Venasaur time to finish Charizard off without having to use any real effort (with quick usage of vine whip, Charizard's overly long neck could be snapped like a pencil). Of course, if Charizard isn't in range, then this only works to Venasaur's advantage as that superior speed will be useless since it would only be effective in a close range battle. Venasaur can use this distance advantage to store up a solar beam attack. And with Charizard's inferior special defense stats, the elemental advantage won't mean as much and Venasaur can just causally snipe Charizard with a solar beam assault (even if Charizard evades, we must note that he'll wear down quickly due to having inferior stamina. That, or Venasaur could simply use sweet scent to lower his evasion). Finally, Venasaur can use synthesis to simply heal itself over and over again (which will be especially possible if Charizard remains out of range in attempt to avoid succumbing to the effects of sleep powder). No matter how we look at it, Venasaur would most likely be the victor. Now I suspect that the instigator will come back and point out that Charizard could also attack Venasaur with a long range technique, there is plenty of reason to believe that Charizard's techniques don't count as "long range." I'll elaborate moreso on this in the next round if my opponent goes down this route. If he does go down this route, you must keep in mind that the burden of proof belongs to him as it will be he who is instigating this claim. Thus, given all of the above information, I believe I've upheld my stance concerning whether or not Charmander is SO MUCH better than Bulbasaur. PS: If the instigator attempts to cite any TM techniques in the next round, you are to disregard them as this debate concerns the natural talents of the two Pokemon; it doesn't concern the possible outside tools either combatant could use to get an advantage over the over. SOURCES: #1: http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net... #2: http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net...