The Quaran is not God's Word

well it seems to me that you can't accept the responsibility of your beliefs or even your words. but it's ok, i have a feeling that you're a christian missionary and it's your job to teach and advocate Christianity. i can respect that. and as for logic, if i can break something that you find logical, it means that your logic was misplaced to begin with. and as for God being all powerful and able to be at two place at the same time ... i try to make it all about Quran. in Quran God is portrayed as the creator of everything else, therefor, he's not temporal or material and doesn't have a physical body or body parts or needs or wishes or weaknesses or goals or anything an incomplete or needy being needs. he's everywhere (not physically), knows everything (not like humans), is all life (not like human life), sees everything (not like humans), has all the power (not like humans), all the knowledge. as for logical proof of his existence: this is a way to prove and define god 1- answering these questions with prove that god exists: 1-1 do u exist? (answer would be yes, otherwise we can ask who was the thing that posted that question in the first place) 1-2 if u and me and the world and trees and other things exist, so there is a thing called existence right? (the answer to this is also yes) 1-3 are you the existence or just a manifestation of it? (if u say I'm the existence, then it means if you die, everything will cease to exist, so the answer is no) 1-4 are you and existence separated? (the answer would be no, because everything that you do or think or have exist, so you are not separated). 1-5 is existence limited or unlimited? (if you say limited, then i would ask what is it limited to? the only think that can limit existence is inexistence, and inexistence does not exist, so it can not limit existence. (like if i were to say, i threw a rock in the air, it hit nothing and dropped dead, you would say how can it hit with nothing and fall down? nothing does not exist (pay attention)) 1-6 existence that is unlimited, has all the power, knowledge, understanding, kindness, ... because all of these exist and are manifestations of existence. 1-7 existence can not be separated, because the only thing that can separate existence which is not it, can be inexistence, and as we said before, inexistence does not exist. 1-8 the existence that everything are manifestations of it and nothing is it, and has all the great attributes like power, knowledge, vision, understanding, kindness, beauty, ... , which can not be separated (meaning it has no son or daughter) is what we know as Allah, or God. "the Quran says that the sun set in a muddy spring." he found it set in a spring of murky water". in this verse, Quran is talking about Zul-qarnain and his travels and findings. he traveled to the east and west of the world, and helped people. and says that he found it set in a spring of murky water. since it's talking about his understanding of the incident, how can you prove that this is against logic?!" when you say you find something logical, it means that according to what you know and definition of logic to you, that thing appeared logical to you. and when Quran says he Found it ... means that it appeared to him that way. "Quran goes beyond what is possible in phenomenological language when it states that Zul-Qarnain reached the place where the sun sets" even today, japan is known as the country of rising sun. it reflects in their flag as well. and as for prophets calling themselves Muslims, you got to know by now that Islam means to be obedient to God. as since all prophets and all faithful people of all times were so, they were all Muslims. and as the prophets who call themselves the First Muslim, it means among the people who they are sent to guide, they are the most obedient towards god and the first one in their people who truly believe in God. " Muhammad, who gave Muslims the Quran was a Pedophile/Pervert" answering this calmly in hard, though i try. pedophile: this was answered before in our first debate, though you apparently went past it. or understood it and just didn't want to agree with it. there are different claims about the age of Aisha when she married Muhammad, and it varies between 9 and 19. also Aisha's father asked Muhammad. to marry his daughter. does it no mean that the girl was deemed ready to be married?. also, "Narrated 'Aisha:" Aisha was daughter of AbuBakr, and AbuBakr was the person who participated in the killing of Fatima, daughter of Muhammad, and the person who took caliphate for himself contrary to Muhammad's command. also, Aisha is the person who plotted and fought against Ali in his 5 year of ruling Islam as Imam. also, all these things you mention are from Sunni books. there was a very famous debate between a Shia and a group of Sunni clerics in the presence of Gandhi, called nights of Pishawar, after which a large group of those Sunnis became Shia. https://www.al-islam.org... also, the things that you Quote from Aisha doesn't make sense and contradicts the most basic teachings of Islam. "The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) used to kiss her and suck her tongue when he was fasting. " i don't know if you guys fast or not, but when you fast, you can't eat or drink or ... . and also, a single person quoting something about an incident in Islam is never taken as truth. and as for that fatwa about intercourse. you can create a website, and post something as fatwa. that does not make your words true. there are a lot of people in the world who are trying to demonize Islam. i am a shia Muslim and live in Iran, yet if you search Shia Muslim in Google image, you see things that i have never seen in my entire life nor believe to be a part of Shia Islam. and as for the creation of man. God first created Man while it didn't exist. as he created world while i didn't exist. man and everything else are created from nothing in this general sense. yet, after god created heaven and earth, he started creation of man. body of first man (adam) was created from dust, which formed with water and made clay. after the creation of Adam and Eve, other humans are created with earthly rules, and through courtship. after courtship, semen and ovum (ovule?) come together and create the first cell which passes through different stages in the womb. "Then We made the sperm into a clot of congealed blood; then of that clot We made a (foetus) lump; then we made out of that lump bones and clothed the bones with flesh; then we developed out of it another creature. So blessed be Allah, the best to create!" Does Allah forgive or not forgive those who worship false gods? according to Quran, if one can repent from worshiping the false gods before his death, other sins might be forgiven. but if you can't, polytheism will not be forgiven. which goes like this according to Quran: "Those who reject Allah, and hinder (men) from the Path of Allah, then die rejecting Allah,- Allah will not forgive them." and as for accepting repentance : "O ye who believe! Turn to Allah with sincere repentance: In the hope that your Lord will remove from you your ills and admit you to Gardens beneath which Rivers flow,- the Day that Allah will not permit to be humiliated the Prophet and those who believe with him. Their Light will run forward before them and by their right hands, while they say, "Our Lord! Perfect our Light for us, and grant us Forgiveness: for Thou hast power over all things."" We also have no reason whatsoever to think that the Quran is God's word. I will leave it up to Con to show me proof that it is. well as i said elsewhere, an illiterate person bringing a book with complete consistency during 23 years, which is so beautiful in original language that people who fought against Muhammad, ordered their followers not to listen to it because they taught it was magic, a book which makes perfect sense and has no contradiction, talks about past and future, talks about Christianity and Judaism with way more logic and sense than why they have or had as their divine books ... take a look at this "http://www.speed-light.info...;