God does not exist as anything but myth

Thank you for initiating the debate! Rebuttals: I disagree with the statement made that a contradictory concept is an invalid concept. A contradictory concept may be proven to be valid or invalid but that does not make the contradictory concept itself invalid. Would you know what truth is if it was not for a lie? Is the truth and a lie not two contradictory concepts? Although the two concepts contradict each other they are perfectly valid concepts that do exist. If they were not able to exist then we would not have been aware of them in the first place. A lie, although contradictory at the core, is a valid reference that refers to a misrepresentation of the truth or something opposite of the truth. So the generalized statement that contradictory concepts are invalid and cannot exist is not true. We experience it in everyday life. Perhaps you teach your children not to swear and you are known to oppose bad language, but in moment of anger, do you perhaps utter a swear word? And if you do, do you not contradict yourself? You"re values? You"re integrity? Did you become an "invalid" human being? Everyday people everywhere contradict their morals, values and ideologies. It is a fact of life that people contradict themselves everyday in many different ways. In science they use falsification as a test. Falsification is the act of imposing contradictions in order to establish validity. The act of falsifying, observing contradictions is a valid concept. "Falsifiability or refutability of a statement, hypothesis, or theory is the inherent possibility that it can be proven false." https://en.wikipedia.org... Pro lists the following premises to draw the conclusion that if God had an identity He will have limitations: A concept has specific definition and referents. All in all, everything that exists is of particular _identity_. But identity implies limitation. If God does not have limitations then He has no identity and therefore cannot exist because something can only exist if it has an identity. Showing that the Pro"s premises are not valid will also make his conclusion invalid. Pro"s premises are very general and do not represent actuality. It is true that a concept as defined i.e. has an identity, poses limitations on the concept itself. For example: Infinity cannot be infinite at the same time. But the limitation in identity does not limit the concept"s attribute of limitlessness. Herein lays the problem with what Pro says. Identity can be limited in how the concept is defined but not necessarily in the attribute attributed to the concept. A second example is the concept of everlasting, without beginning or end. No one knows when time began or when it will end. It has an attribute on which a limitation cannot be placed on. Pro is vague in stating what limitations are placed on God by ascribing an identity to Him that justifies the conclusion that He therefore cannot exist. If Pro was to start defining those parameters will that then not constitute an identity? The examples clearly shows that identity cannot limit the concept"s attributes and that a limited identity can have unlimited attributes. This contradicts what Pro said stating that God is supposed to be without limitations, but cannot be, if an identity is ascribed to Him. Please note here that I addressed the logic in your argument. I do not agree with your definition ascribed to God that He is supposed to have no limitations. You create a concept of a god you want to argue against that do not represent the god concepts as found in most religions. Since I believe in the Bible, I will use the Bible to show that your argument fails against the God of the Bible. A limitless God, as you suppose, is an impossibility due to the illogical nature of your concept. A limitless God cannot be LIMITED at the same time! But ascribing limitlessness to god you LIMIT him to only being limitless. The basis of your premise is flawed to begin with. The God of the Bible has certain limitations due to his moral state and attributes therefore your argument against a limitless god do not prove that the God of the Bible cannot exist. For example: The God of the Bible cannot lie. That"s a limitation. Regarding free will, I will only answer according to my beliefs. You say God denies the existence of free will? Most religions say we all end up at the same place because God is known by different names. The God of the Bible is not that narrow minded, He gives you a choice of either ending up in Heaven or Hell! Do you want to say that is not free will? Clarification: I would like to answer you regarding what you said about the supernatural but you first need to clarify some things for me please. How did you come to the conclusion that supernatural means "outside of existence"? That is not the definition as found in the Bible of God. The Bible says God transcends the natural and is therefore not out of existence or outside of the Universe. In fact, God entered this universe as a man, Jesus Christ. Your definition is unorthodox when applied in a religious sense, and after all you are arguing against religion if you say God does not exist. You cannot expect anyone to argue against a concept that is not held by them but which you want to impose on them. Also observe that the normal definition of the concept "supernatural" do not STATE that it is out of existence or even imply that the invisible cannot exist. It seems to be your own interpretation or definition as you wish it to be. I typed "supernatural definition" into google and here is what the first 3 definitions say: "of, relating to, or being above or beyond what is natural; unexplainable by natural law or phenomena; abnormal." http://www.dictionary.com... "of or relating to an order of existence beyond the visible observable universe; "https://www.merriam-webster.com... "The term "supernatural" is often used interchangeably with paranormal or preternatural " the latter typically limited to an adjective for describing abilities which appear to exceed the bounds of possibility." https://en.wikipedia.org... When you clarify your definition I will give you examples of the supernatural as found in the Bible. In my opinion the agnostic position is more reasonable than saying there definitely is NO God. It is stated that we humans know less than 1% of what is "out there". We do not even know everything about the planet we live on. Not knowing almost anything, I would say it is a bit presumptuous, claiming that there definitely is NO God like you do. Face it, you and the collective knowledge gathered so far, cannot really rule out the possibility that God exists. You simply know to little to make a statement like that. In order for you to prove there is definitely NO God you must have been able to have searched the whole universe and have a super knowledge of understanding. It is of no use being restricted to a fixed location and then trying to make absolute statements of things you cannot verify. If you are saying a physical God cannot exist then you should have done a physical verification. But if you can do that then you are obviously a god! And so refute your atheism.