Codified Theistic and Spiritual Satanism does not exist.

This should be interesting. Your point is simply put "Codified Theistic and Spiritual Satanism does not exist" So first and foremost let us examine that statement in itself. (Exist: To be) What do you mean they don't exist? People believe in them don't they? So as a thought? As a principle? As a "Codified" idea, yeah they both totally exist otherwise we wouldn't be having this debate. But for fun let's keep examining this idea. Let's examine for starters "Codified Theistic Satanism" by putting the word code in there I am assuming that somewhere they have a code for their particular theistic satanism even if only in their mind. You say that these people have "no rules, laws or bibles". Well, you have conceded they have rules and laws by saying they are codified. Furthermore it is a little difficult to have a religion without any rules or laws, unless your particular religion follows the idea that laws/rules shouldn't exist (in which case you still have that law/rule). On the bibles subject I ask you what does that matter? Do you somehow need a bible to have a religion? Is that a particular religious rule I have missed? Can you show it to me somewhere? Furthermore let us notice that Jesus didn't have a bible..... in fact his bible was not created for hundreds of years afterwards. Was his religion fake because of this? Do religions only come into existence when a bible is made? Lets go farther. Religions are ideas are they not? Some might even say they are good ideas. Must every idea be written down to be good or valid? Were my thoughts on this debate somehow non-valid before I had written them down? Did my thoughts on this debate not exist until I had written them? Might as well throw Jesus and Socrates right out the window, guess those idiots should have written something down (note: blatant sarcasm)! Hey hey, why don't we go even farther! New religions come into existence all the time right? There was Judaism, and then came Islam, and then Christianity. We had what is now referred to as the Greek and Roman mythologies sometime before that. The Norse thrown in there somewhere. Along with the whole King Arthur era and its particular gods. So let me ask you this, were those religions somehow non-valid before they came along? Or even better yet, should religions not exist because they are simply derived from another religion? Were not many of the ideas in Christianity taken from Judaism and Islam? Should it not exist? Isn't your own religion influenced by Ayn Rand and Nietzsche? Just because Codified Theistic and Spiritual Satanism takes ideas from your religion does that somehow make it non-existent? Back to your fun religion. It is totally based off of every other religion out there, it even proclaims that every anti-god out their happen to be perfect manifestations of the attributes and qualities of Satan. Not to mention LaVey's own thoughts as you say were based somewhat on the idea of standing up to "Christian, Islam, and Jewish Fundamentalists". And lastly on this thought, the ninth satanic statement blatantly says "Satan has been the best friend the (Christian) Church has ever had, as it has kept it in business all these years." And then, on a totally different note.... Can you prove to me that not one of these groups.... not one of these Codified theists and spiritual satanic groups does not have a bible? Or at the very least a text? I would very highly doubt that not one single person out of these presumably thousands has not written at least a line on their own personal thoughts about their religion. Even if it was in their diary or for a class. In fact, if you would really like to contest this point I will draft up a list of commandments for the "Codified Theistic and Spiritual Satanists" as of my knowledge. It will be sweet. NEXT: You are presuming that your particular "true satanism" preceded every other branch of satanism out there. Can you prove this to me? I must admit as a boy I had thoughts of making a religion based on Satan just to piss people off (this was after I decided that Christianity itself was a bad idea of course). Am I somehow alone in this thought? Can you tell me for sure that no one before 1966 thought of a religion based on Satan? I personally believe your religion is attempting to steal the credit for the title "Satanism" when in all reality it was invented long before LaVey's time. So finally, on this line, "and other opposite-God worshipping groups came into existence (through superstition and belief that LaVey was a devil worshipper)". Once again I am standing by the idea that forms of Satanism have existed for a long long time even if not as your personal "true satanism". Your LaVey did not coin the word Satan. So for a brief summary: CODIFIED THEISTIC AND SPIRITUAL SATANISM DOES EXIST 1. It is really really difficult to debate about an idea that does not exist. 2. Any religion requires a code, even if held by a few, to function. You concede to me that some of them are codified. Therefor they do have rules and laws. 3. No religion requires a written text or bible to exist. Jesus did not write his thoughts down, nor did he have a bible. Many great people taught other from their own mind instead of from writings. Furthermore, can you show me the Greek, Roman, or Buddhist bible? 4. Even if we ignore point 3, can you prove to me that not one of these Codified Theistic and Spiritual Satanists has not written anything down? 5. "What is 'nothing'? My personal definition is "the absence of an object or person that is not present on/around/below/etc. an object, person, or other physical matter." The argument here is not 'Nothing exists? Everything is existing right now!' My argument is that the idea and "matter" of 'nothing' can exist. The absence of something can exist. Prove me wrong." Recall this? It is a debate you started on the 18th of Dec. So sure, let us go with that point. 'Nothing can exist' Therefor any religion does exist even if someone has not thought of it yet. Did the fact that no one had thought of your religion before 1966 make it invaluable, fake, or non-existant. No. I am simply denoting something that is not there. That at the time was not there, yet it still existed. Finally, on your religion as a whole. Aside from my attack on it attempting to steal credit for the word satan. I think your religion is rather flawed. It bases itself off of Ayn Rand and Friedrich Nietzsche's philosophies. Which to some extent are contradictory. Especially when the main theme of your religion is believing in yourself as a god, or each human as a god. A.k.a Nietzsche's Ubermensch. However your religion twists Nietzsche's Ubermensch to mean one should follow, as Ayn Rand calls it, "the virtue of selfish". Where the Ubermensch was not this at all, Nietzsche believed that the highest virtue was that of the gift giving virtue. By which he meant that one should always strive to better themselves in order to give back to others and help them rise above, to become more like Ubermensch. Nietzsche hardcore liked your idea of breaking the societal bonds, but he also believed that others should be helped to break away also, for the betterment of society. Ayn Rand on the other hand.... believes that everyone does everything for themselves. Do you honestly believe that about people like Gandhi? Do you honestly believe that when someone asks you the arbitrary "where is the bathroom" you answer because it makes you feel good? No, you answer simply because you can. Also would you not agree with me that everything is relative? Doesn't your religion create stupid people, lest it couldn't survive. In a realist since how do you define someone who falls under your number one sin? Stupidity? And who in their right mind names their religion after the most popular religion's devil? Way to discredit your ideas.