The straight white male is the most discriminated person in America.

You're actually the one that started the "hate" talk. In the three sentences of your opening round, you said hate twice while never mentioning discrimination. Forgive me for getting confused. That is one of the many problems with conservatives. You're quick to blame everyone else when you're the one that screwed up in the first place. So now we give them handouts and treat them like children? But wait: "The thing is they don't DO anything for those communities". You remember saying that, right? Which is it? I bring up the grocery bagger example because it is your paper tiger. You build such a huge issue out of nothing. The grocery bagger has nothing to do with the situation in border states because he poses no problem to you besides offending your easily upset sensibilities. Conservatives get so damn worked up over stuff that has no tangible affect on them whatsoever. What, were you going for that bagger position too? No, you weren't. Odds are, another hispanic with difficulty speaking english was. If we were talking about a border state suffering budget shortfalls because of illegals draining resources from an increasingly strained tax base, then that would be a real debate discussing real issues that affect large numbers of real people. An illegal grocery bagger in a non-border state is a non-issue that you can't help but build into something it isn't. Now why would you do this? There are few other reasons besides racism, whether you want to admit it or not. I'm not making that claim perse, but its hard to think of any other reason given how much of a non-issue it is. The rest of the country is this rational, which is why the rest of the country looks at you as being irrationally racist. Mainly border states lose billions to them, but we also make billions off of them as well. The only places where it is a net loss is in border states. Not acknowledging that shows your ignorance and leads the rest of the country that knows this to think what they do of you. Lol. I don't even know what the hell your saying in the beginning of this paragraph. "Crank out spanish news papers, form all spanish speaking communities, slowly but surely make Americans conform to a bunch of criminals here illegally, and call any who oppose them racist! Typical liberal tactic". What? Do you proofread your arguments before you submit them? Liberals are the heroes of minorities because we acknowledge the contributions they make as well as the issues they pose. For example, two illegal doctors that had saved who knows how many lives were discovered and deported a couple of months ago. They were undoubtably contributing to this country, but this doesn't cross your mind. They broke a law, a minor one a couple decades ago, but still, they broke it and must be kicked out. How reasonable is that? You would love to do this to 12 million people. Have you even bothered to think about the logistics of that? Nope. You act on black and white gut reaction without any thought to reality whatsoever. Liberals, however, recognize reality and act accordingly. This is why liberals are the heroes of hispanics and why conservatives are looked down on, and rightly so. The premise of this debate, as you phrased it, was straight, white men were discriminated against more than anyone else. However, I'm a straight, white man and we've spent this whole debate detailing how you're the hated one. Not me. Therefore, based on how you worded it, you lose. Even so, based on what I've mentioned above, I'm frankly surprised that minorities don't hate you more. In fact, the baseless paper tiger arguments I've heard from you this whole time lead me to a different hypothesis. Hispanic males are the most discriminated against people in this country, and you're the one discriminating against them. Or, it could be black men, or women, or gays. Pick the demographic that you believe to be subordinate to white men. Any of them would be more hated than you are. You aren't the most discriminated person in the country because, unlike prejudice, our beliefs of you are based off of the words that come out of your mouth. Therefore, it isn't discrimination, it's simply calling it what it is. I just named people more discriminated against. Based on the prevailing issues in this debate, hispanics. Were this other debates, I could say blacks or women or gays, with you doing the discriminating. Your wishful thinking that racism doesn't exist doesn't change the fact that it does. Your equating the grocery bagger to border state issues is a perfect example of this. Your ignorance and oversimplification is proof to all the rest of us that everything you mentioned is still needed. The wedge issue is the racism that is still engendered by conservatives, not liberals calling you out for it. And please. Liberal media? How much more of a baseless crutch could you possibly come up with. Every time conservatives screwed up in the world and the media covered it as the news it really is, conservatives couldn't stand it and called them liberal. Once again, you and your paper tigers. There was no liberal media. There was the media and you couldn't stand when they would actually cover a screw up of yours. So in response to the fake threat you created, you start up the "fair ad balanced" fox news which ought to be sued for false advertising. Conservatives had managed to convince so many people that they were the victims of the objective news that now fox...I can't even call it news...has become very popular. As a result, now CNN has Lou Dobbs and Glen Beck. Now, Keith Olbermann spouts the liberal spins on MSNBC. This wasn't the way it was prior to 1996. Just like Bush claiming Al Qaeda was in Iraq, but then Al Qaeda shows up after we invade, you created the problem you railed against so much. If you honestly think the media was liberal, I'd suggest you watch "The Insider" with Russell Crowe. That'll give you a great example of how wrong you really are. Of course, you aren't concerned with facts. They only get in your way. Clinton was immoral? And Bush was an angel? Like I said, no one died when Clinton lied. Newt Gingrich was a draft dodger, and gave his wife divorce papers while she was in the hospital. Henry Hyde cheated on his wife with a woman who was married when he was in his early 40s, and tried to pass it off as a "youthful indiscretion". That's nauseating, and so is your failed understanding of history, as well as economics. I'd love to have a debate with you on how much of an utter failure Reaganomics is. Look up debt figures from the department of the treasury. Reagan added almost 3 trillion to the debt. GHWB added about another 1.5. GWB added over 3. Before Reagan took office, the national debt was less than 1 trillion. Clinton balanced the budget and surpluses, yet now we're well over 9 trillion in debt. Yea, that sounds like a resounding success. But we've gotten way off topic from the purpose of this debate. Ok. Using your logic, why do you think there are so many black, hispanic and asian gangs? Why is there NOW and gay pride organizations? Well, let me tell you. Based on your logic, they exist because of hatred and discrimination they had to face because of conservatives. But by my logic, people are impressionable and love to latch onto the paper tigers conservatives seem to create almost out of compulsion. That's some really faulty logic your showing, just like in the rest of the debate. How many times do I have to point out to you that the only white men being discriminated against are conservative white men, and thats because you're busy dishing out discrimination of your own, and in larger amounts. This schism between liberal and conservative that you fail to recognize proves that I have won this debate. It's hard to take you seriously when you talk as though conservatives are the only white men in the country.