Stormcloaks' Goals Are Right

I also want to note that the first two sources were placed as a mistake. They were a part of a text I deleted. Now, I will continue onto proving my point. Defending My Argument:"The Empire probably wishes that Talos would be legal, but if they make it legal they will get crushed by the Thalmor"Con makes a mistake by saying this. If the Empire could truly be crushed by the Dominion, the Thalmor would already attack it. I would say the two armies are about tied in their forces, and the Empire would probably have the upper hand. After the Battle of the Red Ring, the Dominion lost all of its forces in Cyrodiil, the main territory of the Empire. The war would continue, but Titus II realised his army was too exhausted to continue battling. Additionally, Hamerfell solely managed to stalemate in a war with the Aldmeri Dominion, proving they aren't nearly as a strong army as Con presents them. [1] If the Thalmor couldn't have continued the war against the exhausted Empire, it means it was severely damaged. Therefore it isn't true that, if the White-Gold Concordat was broken, the Thalmor would've won. I, however, agree with the first part of the sentence. The reason the Empire wants to respect the Concordat is not in order not to get crushed by Skyrim, but most likely only not to cause a war. "Like the Roman Empire, Skyrim's Empire would be shattered into many pieces each being held by a possible warlord dictator who wanted to collect them all. "If the Stormcloaks won, they would most likely be the strongest force, and not many holds would oppose this. Logically, if they won the civil war, all the Jarls would accept Ulfric (especially since the Jarls royal to the empire would be changed). They would find a common enemy in the Thalmor. Therefore, Skyrim would pretty much be united if Stormcloaks won. Perhaps minor rebelions might break out, but a majority would respect Ulfric. Again, Talos is a national symbol taken away without their acceptance, and it is not only Ulfric's will to get it back. Numerous people in Skyrim want Talos back. It is perfectly normal to go against this, and protect the honor of your land. Refuting Con's Arguments:"The Thalmor would love if Ulfric could win the war and cause division because that would make it easier for them to conquer Skyrim. Ulfric basically causes the Dark Ages if he wins, in the Elder Scrolls. " This is not really true. As I quote "During the quest Diplomatic Immunity, a Thalmor Dossier on him can be found revealing that he was captured and interrogated by the Aldmeri Dominion as a prisoner of war during the Great War. The Thalmor currently consider him a "dormant asset", albeit "uncooperative", as they need the civil war to remain in a stalemate. " [2] This proves that the Thalmor wouldn't find it benefitial for the Stormcloaks to win. For what reasons, it remains unknown. I could guess it is because a war with Skyrim would prove to be very unfortunate for them, greatly weakening them. Perhaps they fear that they might win, as well. Therefore, this point is not true. "Also, while it may not be true, it is possible that Ulfric could not just be in the war for the Nords, but also for personal gain (rule all of Skyrim). "While this may be possible, it is usually hinted otherwise through the game. While General Tullius has this opinion of him, everyone close to him appears to think otherwise. After all, this is a debate of whether Stormcloaks' goals are right, not Ulfric's himself, though they most likely share the same interests. The Stormcloaks are RacistCon continues saying that Stormcloaks are racist. However, this isn't only the case with them. The guards in every city will say "What is it, ? " to anyone who isn't a Nord (Unless the guard isn't Nord himself). It is noted by numerous Khajits that they aren't allowed in cities, and that they have to stay outside of the cities. Although to a lesser extent, Argonians are under a similar situation. As for the Dunmer, I guess it's Ulfric dislike for Mer since they make the Thalmor. I know that it isn't a reason, but still makes some sense. Additionally, these traits of racism have been shown in numerous Nords throughout the game. It isn't specific to Ulfric, though I agree he promotes it the most. However, there are no signs that show Ulfric would carnage these races if he became the High King. I don't think things would change much. Sources: 1. . http://www.uesp.net...2. . http://www.uesp.net...