primate rights

1. Monkeys shouldn"t be considered persons because they can be taught to do "human-like" things. I would like to stretch on what I mean when I say this. Just because a monkey is taught to: Brush their teeth. Sign-language. Give you a high-five. Ride a miniature bike. Or any other stupid tricks of that sort doesn"t make them any closer to a human than other trained animals. Can they be taught to drive? Fly a plane? Design clothes? Highly doubt it. They can"t survive in human society if they want to be considered persons. 2. I did not include those things about Tommy because they were irrelevant. He was not forced in ways that would be deemed "animal cruelty". And once again, just because Tommy "behaved" around people, doesn"t mean that he"s any close to being a human being. Lots of animals are trained to play in movies and commercials but that doesn"t make them any more than an ordinary "trained" animal. 3. Tommy doesn"t have the ability to count money and understand mathematical concepts as a human so can what you"re saying is beyond absurd. The whole point of saying that monkeys cannot be held accountable for their actions is after the fact if they were considered humans and had rights so I think you"re misunderstanding me. What I said is IF monkeys WERE considered humans and HAD rights it would go wrong because HOW would one hold a monkey accountable for a crime same as a human when they have completely different learning mind concepts. If you were in court because a monkey killed someone and when you asked them "WHY?" and "WHERE WERE YOU THE NIGHT OF (BLAH)?" Could they honestly answer or even have a chance to prove themselves wrong as having human rights? I honestly think not. This is one example when I mean monkeys can"t be held accountable for their actions. Yes, monkeys ARE smart, BUT they can never come close to making life decisions and critical thinking in the human society. 4. You only point out that I talked about monkeys raising humans but under that paragraph I clearly stated: There"s more examples of cats, dogs, goats, etc. raising a human child. Meaning that not only monkeys have certain capabilities. Almost any other primate can do the same thing, so it makes them no different from any other one. Makes them no closer to having "human-like" capabilities than the next primate. 5. I never stated that sign language was trick I KNOW that sign language isn"t a trick there"s obviously deaf humans who communicate through sign language. Please don"t insult my intelligence thank you. And bringing out that sign language is one thing a monkey can do I"ll ask again, can they cook? Can they learn to read and write? Real English? Wake up, go to work every day, become a judge? I doubt it. When I say tricks I mean anything that circus animals like elephants, tigers, etc. They"re all the same. I"m not sure who Koko is I never remembered you stating anything about a Koko. And to "Koko" singing in response doesn"t make her/him any different from a house dog or parrot singing in response so I don"t see the relevance. If you care to explain then I would be delighted to listen. To my racist comment, if there"s an obvious link between persecuted groups trying to obtain rights and this debate. Please care to inform me. Ok blacks weren"t considered people of that time but THEY WERE NEVER ANIMALS. The obvious is that the white man was a redneck. Even looking back during slavery times just because our skin was darker doesn"t mean that we were monkeys. We still walked, talked, cooked, worked, etc. as the white man so please spare me. I understand that the movie was fiction I"m pretty sure I stated that. Thanks for saying it again. If you claim the movie was irrelevant then you shouldn"t have explained yourself. And this bring me back to my premise, "monkeys can"t be held accountable for their actions". Yes great human rebellions and revolutions were held in the past but unlike monkeys, leaders who were caught were either killed or sentenced to jail.