On sovereignty

The opposition claim that, it is okay for every government to go and arrest people belonging to another country while they are in their own country. If it is then what is the use of having separate countries and separate laws governing each country?If the government of any country should be allowed freedom of arresting people they SUSPECT of being a threat to their own country then this power will be abused-and has been abused in examples like Guantanamo Bay-as this might be used as a means of persecuting people who are innocent of the crimes they are accused of, simply because the government feels that such and such activity is suspicious. 'Covertly', are you serious? covert captures only occur legally when the state that this capture takes place in ,is privy to and involved in the arrest and/or does not 'sell' prisoners to other countries(or their military) on illegal coercion. Which is not the case in 'extra-ordinary rendition'. In extra-ordinary rendition the Country in which the nabbing takes place , is NOT legally involved in the 'capture' and/or has to sell prisoners to another Country to be detained. If it were, then the rendition would not be 'EXTRA'- territorial, now would it? The reason that we quote(copy-paste) extracts from our sources is to validate/prove that they do defend our point of view. The opposition, however, do not bother to do that and then when we click on their sources and read up on them, we find that they contradict the opposition's case, an example: "But the U.S. Government’s use of rendition has been extremely controversial. Foreign governments have criticized the practice because it operates outside the rule of law and has allegedly been used to transfer suspects to countries that torture or mistreat them or to seek extraterritorial prisons, in countries where we have listed the countries as abusing the human rights of their fellow citizens.As a result, the current rendition program has taken a toll on the relationships with some of our closest foreign partners. Consider the following: Italy has indicted 26 Americans for their alleged role in a rendition. Germany has issued arrest warrants for an additional 13 United States intelligence officers. The Canadian Government Commission has censured the United States for rendering a Canadian-Syrian dual-citizen to Syria, where he was allegedly tortured. The Counsel of Europe and the European Union have each issued reports critical of the United States Government’s rendition program and the European countries’ involvement in, or complicity with, that program" - this is an extract from the source cited earlier by the opposition, we cite it AGAIN for the benefit of the debate's audience-[[ pages 5-6(in adobe but otherwise page 1and2 http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/2007_hr/rendition2.pdf%5D%5D In the same document, most of 'our' arguments(albeit paraphrased) are mentioned, we quote yet again: "Rendition as currently practiced, in my view, is undermining our moral credibility and standing abroad and, more importantly, I guess in the minds of the real Politic crowd of which I occasionally consider myself one, weakening, weakening the coalition with foreign governments, the very governments that we need if we’re going to be able to combat international terrorism. We also put our intelligence officers at risk by not providing them with clear guidelines to govern their conduct.As one of the witnesses today recently wrote, ‘‘Successful counter-terrorism depends in part on convincing the world that there is no moral equivalency between the terrorist and the government they oppose. When the United States muddies those waters,this distinction begins to blur.’’More ominous, the controversial aspects of the U.S. Government use of renditions have been used by propagandists and recruiters to fuel and sustain international terrorist organizations with a constant stream of new recruits. That’s not my judgment, that’s the judgment of many in the intelligence community." but the opposition has the strangest fancy that NO one criticizes or prosecutes Intelligence agencies in courtrooms,(Perhaps, they should watch re-runs of the X-files series, since they missed it as children(the F.B.I unveiled government & C.I.A secrets, atrocities and put them to justice, in at least two episodes). What proof? proof like that of W.M.Ds in Iraq, If Lebanon is not aware of this one man in their Country and American government-intelligence agency 'proof' has lost all credibility since the Iraq War. Then how is Lebanon not cooperating? Lebanon is very honest and cooperative about the fact that she herself does not have proof. Are you falsely asserting that Pakistani, Arab,Egypt, Lebanese and Afghan governments do/have not cooperated with the U.S? You need to start reading newspapers. If there was no cooperation there would be no dialogue and these countries wouldn't be selling prisoners(that they caught) to the C.I.A We say that coerced, forced servile 'cooperation' by THESE countries violating human rights and international moral standards HAS TO stop. And the only way to accomplish this is to get the big bosses/leaders (of larger more powerful Countries) behind bars where they belong(and/or punished to deter future leaders from repeating their mistakes). And as far as the American originated K.K.K in Africa is concerned.[[http://www.bnvillage.co.uk/news-politics-village/80347-kkk-south-africa.html]] They have arrived and no South Africa is not deluded enough to attack America and practice extra-territorial rendition for it. Also America isn't presenting them with suspected-terrorists, either. As always the opposition/negative is weak on facts.