DDO Tier Tournament 2 (Round 2): On Balance Ontology Makes God A Necessary Phenomenon!

Thanks to Ajab for posting his arguments. I’ll post his argument to refresh our memories then move onto the rebuttals. "1. The Idea of God exists in human cognition. 2. The Idea of God could not have been made up by any faculty of the mind. 3. Any Idea which is not made up by the mind, and is not garnered from experience, must exist as an innate idea. 4. Ergo the Idea of God exists as an innate idea." Rebuttals: Premise 1: The Idea of God exists in human cognition. This premise is accepted by both me and my opponent, so no contentions need to be made on this point. Premise 2: The Idea of God could not have been made up by any faculty of the mind. Like my opponent stated earlier, this is the premise we disagree on. He shows two arguments proving this: "whatever Idea the imagination comes up with is a complex idea" Pro makes the argument here that no idea of the mind is a simple idea, and that God is a simple idea, so the idea of God could not have originated from the human mind. He shows a couple examples of complex idea’s, stating that an idea such as Pokemon might seem simple at first but are in fact complex. He doesn’t have any evidence of this, rather he assumes that we agree with him on them being complex. To start, let’s define complex. Oxford Dictionary defines complex as: “Consisting of many different and connected parts, Not easy to analyze or understand; complicated or intricate” [1] When we look at a Pokemon like Ditto, can we really say he’s complex? Note at that the first point in his creation, he was just a purple blob. [2] When first made he didn’t have any moves at all. So for the idea of a purple blob to be complex, Ditto needs to be consisting of many different parts, and/or not easy to understand. Is it really hard to understand the concept of a purple blob? I would say no, it is not hard to understand that this is a purple blob. So does it have many parts to it? When we look at the picture of Ditto above, it’s a blob with a smiley face. This hardly counts for something “Consisting of many different and connected parts”. We don’t need to look at just Ditto and Pokemon to. We could look at other idea’s (But not all) as well and get the same result. We don’t necessarily need to look at developed idea’s, rather we can look at idea’s when they’re in the first stage of creation in order to determine whether human minds are only able to think of complex idea’s. Like with Ditto for example, we looked at him when a purple blob was first thought of rather than looking at him present day. My opponents first support to his second and third premise fails because it asserts that the human mind cannot come up with concepts that are not complex, which is clearly false. “can we make up a purely original concept?” I would say that we don’t need to in order to come up with God. A human would have plenty of things to inspire him//her because they can use their eyes and look at the world around them, hence getting idea’s. From those idea’s they can get other idea’s, until they land on God. Note that, the first person who thought of a God didn’t need to think he exists. He could have been lying to people knowing full well he made it up. My opponent needs to argue that idea’s can’t lead to other idea’s and that the environment around us cannot lead to new idea’s to prove this point. “The mind can only come up with those phenomena which are a posteriori” Like I had said earlier, humans have plenty of inspirations to observe. My opponent hasn’t proven that the mind could not have thought of God at all. In conclusion: My opponents first argument supporting his second premise claiming that it is not possible for a human to make a complex idea is clearly false, as it contradicts with our observation of simple ideas humans originating from humans minds. His second argument claiming that humans are not able to think of a purely original idea also fails, as like I had described earlier, any humans who thought up of a God would have had plenty of inspiration for the idea to be based upon. We can therefore conclude that my opponent's second premise has been negated, and the rest of the argument falls along with it. My BOP for this round has been fulfilled, thank you. Sources: [1] http://www.oxforddictionaries.com... [2] http://fc08.deviantart.net...