Gun Control Is Still Bad

>"Anyways you cling to the idea that it would be just as easy to get a gun with gun control place nation wide" If you are a criminal yes, if you are a law abiding citizen no. >"You dismiss my ideas by saying I am using buzzwords so I will give you a link to a description. " They ARE buzzwords, gun control, background check, medical check are all buzzwords. For example if I say "I am going to implement gun control"... It really says nothing about my policies and whatnot. I don't want a link, I want you to use your own words instead of sending me articles. >"And just because you never asked me for a realistic way for control does not mean the ideas I gave were unrealistic." I assumed when I asked that you would give me realistic options. >" It helps close loopholes" More buzzwords, describe what loopholes are in gun control laws and what you will do to fix it. >"Gun ranges can be changed so that they must be certified to sell guns" And this will help stop gun crime and gun violence how? Just gun control laws for the sake of controlling guns? AKA police state. >" Current DMV's can be used to assist implementing test and starting out, " What tests? Speak in full sentences >"and again it would be monitored so that it changes as people bypass the system" What is the system? How does it monitor? How does it change? >" It's not a waste of taxpayer money because it helps citizens out especially those that are suicidal." If someone wants to kill themselves they will do it whether or not they have a gun, the golden gate bridge has MANY suicides a year.. Should we ban bridges? >"very intelligent, yet cannot pass their drivers exam." Sounds like you are giving me an oxymoron, and tell me this.. What percentage of criminals and gangs are unable to commit crimes because one person can't pass their exam.. Yeah none. >"Show me the numbers that show gun control ONLY prevents those with low IQ or are mentally ill from getting a gun." Again, gun control is a buzzword that means nothing. For example EVERY single gun control argument that you have given me can be easily passed by virtually any criminal, mass murderer, serial killer, psychopath with an IQ over 70. If you would list me EVERY gun control measure you would implement I will respond to each one. >"Well that is one of the loopholes we would want to close, even 80% of gun owners agree with closing that loophole." How is that a loophole? They buy guns with people who don't have a record. It would be impossible to close that loophole. >"Does the DMV not update their test as needed?" Sigh... People can still buy a car without a licence and drive on the road. The licence tests are only for law abiding citizens with a high enough intelligence to complete a common sense test. >" Change and adapt as in change happens so that the process adapts as people find ways around the system." Thousands of government and police officials have been trying to find ways to change and adapt the system to no avail.. How do you think you will change it? >"The simulations the military uses is completely different from the games available on the market that the average person plays." Actually no, ARMA is a good representation of the real simulator. >"and hope to draw their own faster and hit. A fun little cartoon for you" The cartoon brought up a good point but it's simply wrong and very situational. Perhaps in a large open school if someone started shouting "crazed person with a gun shooting!" and most students in the school carried guns, but school shootings don't really work like that. They usually happen in a section of the school while the rest of the students escape or get isolated in a room or corner. (With the initial shooting) Normal people aren't going to be running around the halls looking for students. They are going to run and hide. Mass shooters have the intentions to kill as many people as possible before they are stopped. They wouldn't have time to play games. They storm the building and start shooting. It's pretty easy to spot who the crazed gunman is. >"Sorry a new sources is not a valid source," It is if I am trying to show you news (aka information).. You just sound like a bratty child who knows he can't win this debate and wants to resort to childish games, but heres a wiki with plenty of sources. https://en.wikipedia.org... >" firearms control began in 1996-1997 it's not like they received everyone's firearm immediately," They rounded up most of the firearms by the end of 1997. Are you seriously telling me that the police waited 6 FULL years? Tell me you are joking? >" it still makes it harder than just being able to hand someone cash to get a gun." Just give it up, your ignorance is pitiful. 5 minutes to reassemble each gun is peanuts for a large gang.. >"And you can make a simple fertilizer bomb with fertilizer and a PCP pipe that wouldn't take longer than 30 minutes. A bomb doesn't have to be complicated' Ohh a low explosive Potassium nitrate/ammonium nitrate mixture... Yeah you would need a huge amount of specialized fertilizer (one that requires a licence to get) if you want the explosion to be effective. So no it's quite hard to make a fertilizer bomb nowadays. >"it just has to go boom" It would go boom, but it would be pretty pathetic. If your goal is causing terrorism firearms would be much more useful then garden bombs. >"signs of "impulsive angry behavior" (such as breaking things and getting into fights)"and say they own a gun." And what percentage of those people actually take out a gun and start shooting? >"Drivers who carry guns are 44 percent more likely than unarmed drivers to make obscene gestures at other motorists, and 77 percent more likely to follow them aggressively." and?? How many of them actually do shooting? >" those with concealed-handgun licenses were sentenced for threatening someone with a firearm 4.8 times more than those without." and? You don't realize cause and effect. These people would be threatening regardless of they have a firearm or not. Just most people that would have threatening behavior would also be more likely to carry a gun. >"Stand Your Ground and other laws making it easier to shoot in self-defense, those policies have been linked to a 7 to 10 percent increase in homicides." Looks like the law is working perfectly fine. >"Gun death rates are generally lower in states with restrictions such as safe-storage requirements or assault-weapons bans." Gang related gun crime?=no... Crime done by career criminals?=no. BTW California never has mass shootings or serial killings because of their strict gun laws right? >"A study in Philadelphia found that the odds of an assault victim being shot were 4.5 times greater if he carried a gun. His odds of being killed were 4.2 times greater." That's the nature of the beast. You choose to carry a gun and you accept the responsibilities that come with it. >"With all these facts it's no wonder that 80% of gun owners believe we need better control." 80% of the entirety of America? Or a small specifically chosen polling group? Yeah thought so.