Morals are Objective

I'm not sure the distinction between 'objective' and 'subjective' has fully set itself in your mind... "I must only provide one example of cases where morality is objective."- This means you are providing examples of morals being absolute, in which case you would support my argument. "I submit, morality is not subjective."- This means you agree with me- morals are objective, not subjective. Lastly, I'm not sure you used 'singe' right. That means to superficially burn something (verb) or a superficial burn (noun). You may have also meant to write 'single' which, in that case should add points for me. To the argument. 1. Your argument against morality with your example of swearing is entirely inadequate. You are talking about sociology, not morality. Sociology is the way people act, morality is the way people SHOULD act. I would argue that nobody wants their 4 year old to curse or swear, that's because we all know that the words' meanings are unvirtuous and immoral. Just because someone acts wrong doesn't mean that there isn't a right way to act. Secondly, you place morality into the same class as social convention is, meaning, you think morality is just another thing you learn from school, your teachers, parents, society etc., and because you think that (and I agree that you learn it from you parents and all), that morality is simply a human invention, unlike something such as mathematics. Take it away Mr. Lewis: "But, of course that is not so. We all learned the multiplication table at school. A child who grew up alone on a desert island would not know it. But surely it does not follow that the multiplication table is simply a human convention, something human beings have made up for themselves and might have made different if they had liked? I fully agree that we learn the Rule of Decent Behaviour from parents and teachers, and friends and books, as we learn everything else. But some of the things we learn are mere conventions which might have been different- we learn to keep to the left of the road, but it might just as well have been the rule to keep to the right- and others of them, like mathematics , are real truths. The question is to which class the law of Human Nature belongs." (Remember this guys from Britain so he used to drive on the left side of the road.) There are two reasons why it falls into the class of mathematics. First, because morality between cultures is remarkably alike. Take a look at the Egyptians, Romans, Greeks, Hindus, Buddhists, Chinese, you'll find that their moralities are all quite similar. One society may say it's best to kill yourself so that you don't lose a battle, the other may say that you did good for trying. But no culture praises a man who runs away from a battle, or celebrates the man who betrays his best friends. They may differ on how many wives you should have, 1 or 4, but none will say you should have any woman you like. Some may say you should serve your country first then your family, others may say the opposite, but none of them say you should serve yourself first. You see? Morality between cultures is fundamentally the same and superficially different. (Superficially, I mean the human conventions that are applied on top of the core morality). 2. "Morals are culturally dependant." (The right way to spell this is *dependent*). Just re-read that last paragraph, it'll do you well. It'll be even better if you read C.S Lewis' book, from which I am taking almost 100% of my examples. I do not hide the fact I am quite ignorant in these matters without the help of those of whom I read. C.S Lewis is fantastic and he's helped me tremendously. 3. The statement "killing is wrong". First of all, there is a difference between killing and murdering. Murdering is cold-blooded. It is for a personal vendetta that is unjust. Killing is not always wrong, sort of like a square and a rectangle. Murder is always killing, killing is not always murder. Killing happens for a number of reasons, like you said, self-defense, wars etc. And this is also something you'll find to be practically identical throughout every civilization, society and culture. No one should murder. Your last statement about abortion is also arbitrary, quite like a few of your other arguments. Abortion is very much still up in the air as to whether the fetus is alive or not, deserves life or not, etc. and to use that unknown to solve for the other unknown of morality's objectivity is like trying to solve x=y+1- You place in an unknown variable to try and bolster your other unknown variable's credibility and it does nothing in actuality for your case. If you want to debate abortion then let's do it- in another debate. My opponent has not given any evidence of a case in which the morality is actually different, rather, he has provided certain hypothetical cases in which human convention is the factor that changes. I, on the other hand, have provided solid evidence for the objectivity of morality. He also has trouble grasping the difference between subjective and objective and has spelling mistakes. Sources: "Mere Christianity" by C.S Lewis