Earth: Spherical vs Flat

It seems that this debate is going to be a lengthy one, so ill try to keep it brief. Let's start with rebuttals from round 2, then go from there. Rebuttals from r2 The Horizon Ships never go over any curve (which goes against common sense seeing that the natural physics of water is to find and maintain a level surface), they only disapear because they, and everything else follow a few rules of perspective, atmospheric perspective and the law of perspective. Atmospheric perspective is just dense, more thick air, smog, fog, heat, dust, dew, exhaust, anything that hovers close to the flat earth that will block light. A telescope will bring it back into view, provided it can see through the dense atmosphere, which gets thicker with distance. Any videos, I've seen and proven this, that show boats going over the horizon only lower the camera to below where the waves break. Alternatively, and anyone can try this, when a camera is placed at one end of a football field, and a person walks away, his shoes will disappear relatively quickly, at about 50 yards, his shorts up will only be visible.(1) This in combination with the apparent shrinking of the person from the law of perspective makes it appear as though he were dropping over some curve, though we know that football fields are near perfectly level from goalpost to goalpost. This explains perfectly why the sun appears to go "over" the horizon. Watch a car drive away from you on a long, flat stretch of highway, and notice that soon the car's wheels seem to disappear, and the cars body will be dragging (without bags). (1) http://whotfetw.com... The coriolis effect The coriolis effect is, plainly put, supposedly the effect of an object over a moving object. He poses that water, air, missiles, and water draining a certain direction in different hemis (spheres). The latter is a common misconception, in that the direction your toilet flushes only depends on several factors including the shape of the bowl, and others (2). As for missiles, How can it be that the earth moves under missiles and bullets, that stay aloft for at most a few minutes, bullets only mere seconds, but anyone who takes a balloon ride can float around for hours on end, and land in the same spot? Planes that take off easterly take the same amount of time on a flight going west. Anyone can look up on a cloudy day and see clouds moving in any direction, sometimes in multiple directions! Why is the coriolis effect so selective? Neither i nor my opponent have directed a missile, so this is but heresay, but we see storms rotating, so let's a dress this. In the flat earth model, the sun and moon are rotating above the earth, close to the "equator" causing a "wake" so to speak, also affecting the oceans, causing tides. More on this later. (2) http://science.howstuffworks.com... Photos This is by far the most hilarious and fanning evidence AGAINST a spherical Earth by far. I will prove that at least one or more of NASA's photos are faked, and it will be assumed, given the circumstances, that all are faked as well. https://youtu.be... There are no actual photos of Earth in existence. There are a few composites, (they admit this, and high altitude flights over a flat earth can be pieced together in Photoshop too) a painting or two, and some cgi. With the thousands of satellites out there, shouldn't there be hundreds or thousands of them by now. They supposedly had the technology to do it in the 60's! http://www.debate.org... In this comparison, America has over doubled in size. http://www.debate.org... Blatant copying and pasting of cloud formations. Proof two. http://thecoincidencetheorist.com... The word "sex" in cloud formations, really? My 8 year old brought this home on the cover of her dictionary. Proof three. I suppose it could happen after all there must be photographs somewhere on the internet of full words in clouds. Wait, I found one! http://www.debate.org... I'm sorry, that was uncalled for. http://www.debate.org... NASA claims it has a few actual photos of earth, but not one of them show a trace of any of the thousands of satellites said to be in orbit at varying heights around the earth.You would think, that with that many giant pieces of aluminum, baler wire, duct tape, and tinfoil flying around the world, some of them would reflect some light back to the camera with the sun at the cameras back. How many real pictures of these satellites do we have? Close to none, if any. http://www.debate.org... In this photo, earth is relatively small, considering earth is 4 Times bigger than the moon. Common sense says if he were actually on the moon, the earth would appear 4 times bigger than the moon appears from earth. As for the why? I could name quite a few reasons, but as I'm limited on space, I'll just leave this here. https://youtu.be... Lateral movement The flat earth is a disc with true north being in the middle. Essentially, going around the world is actually going in a very large circle. No pilot actually flies in a "straight line", they fly by compass, easterly, with true north constantly on the left, and vice versa for west bound flights. http://www.debate.org... The mirage My opponent and i agree that the image isn't a mirage, but disagree on the distance, and whether we should see it or not. Firstly, my opponent states that the picture was taken from Warren Dunes state park, but offers no source. I on the other hand, have the original tweet from Mr Nowicki saying otherwise. http://www.abc57.com... And the distance, as the crow flies, is 57 miles. http://tjpeiffer.com... and again none of Chicago should be visible. https://dizzib.github.io... https://en.m.wikipedia.org... Gyroscopes My opponent blames gravity for pulling the gyroscope back to an upright position, but anyone who has had a gyroscope knows that gyroscopes defy gravity, doing all sorts of curious things. He ignores that gyroscopes stay in a fixed position in relation to space. The horizon My opponent argues that ships go over a curve at a mere 3 miles, yet at 100km, being able to see hundreds of miles in any direction, we can't see a curve? The horizon is always at eyey level no matter the altitude. If the earth were a ball, the horizon should drop the further up you go, but it doesn't. The sun is close Here is the math. https://aplanetruth.info... My opponent talks of radars and lasers as if anyone reading this actually could confirm this data, while completely ignoring the arguments of the hotspot in the video, and the sun and moon's apparent sizes changing from several videos on YouTube. Anyone can buy a relatively inexpensive welders visor, and video the sun rising and setting, seeing the change in size. This would be impossible if it were stationary at a distance of 93 million miles. Twenty-four hour days Antarctica is off limits to civilians. This is another one of those "NASA told me, I believe them" proofs. And the video was found to be a fake. https://aplanetruth.info... Mount Chimborazo As we can see from 60 miles, Chicago has shrunk to a fraction of it's original size. This is once again due to the law of perspective. No telescope today could see across the plane. Also atmosphere would totally block the light, and does so, in the case of Chicago and Michigan. This time lapse shows how Chicago flits in and out of site, especially in the morning, when the atmosphere is the thickest. https://youtu.be... One can only imagine the size of a city another 60 miles away, and anyone who has ever aimed a telescope at a land mass can attest to the fact that they can't allow one to see forever. Gravity and Tides I can tell you have been to the tfes forums. The earth is not moving. Mass is not attracted to mass. Things are better explained with buoyancy. Tides come in and go out 2-3 times a day, the moon passes over but once. The tides could be caused by the earths floating on the waters below, or by the wake of the passing sun and moon. http://oceantoday.noaa.gov... Lunar Eclipses My opponent states that this is due to " the moon is on exactly the opposite side of the Earth from the sun". One event disproves this: Selenelions. This happens when a lunar eclipse happens when both the sun and moon are both above the horizon. Over 50 recorded selenelions have been recorded to date. https://youtu.be... Also, no experiment has shown that an object can cast a red shadow, as in the case of blood moons. Star constellations The stars are close, and small, hung in the firmament. The law of perspective causes them to "dip below" the horizon. The idea was widely supported, even as recently as Tesla. http://www.goodreads.com... The view of the moon Again, the moon is close and small. Stand in any room, opposite another person, where he is on one corner and you in another. Say a quarter were glued to the ceiling, directly between. If you saw the quarter rightside up, your friend wI'll see it upside down. Simple. My opponent left me with room for a small argument. The Michelson Morley experiment This experiment proves that the stars move, not the earth. https://youtu.be...