Prayer is a failure to reason honestly and is the perfection of narcissism.

This was a good debate. I've alot to do so ill get right to it. Opponents statements are underlined.( none of my refuting of round 3 should be counted as new arguments since half of this post is an extension to my third round. New arguments pertaining to my opponents round 4 should be judged accordingly)Prayer is failure to reason honestly, as my opponent claims. I ask voters to reject this resolution because I will prove pros case does not hold water.Religious prayer walls off sections of the brain that allows for sane individuals to expect reasonable outcomes. I was not looking to quote a neurotheologist when I stated that it walled off the section of their brain etc...Pro wasnt looking to quote anyone because the evidence doesnt exist. This claim is not scientific and was an assumption that is proven to be false. No neurologists claimed this. My opponent provided no source for this witch is additional evidence that it's not true. throughout this entire debate Pro seems to try to shift this debate to another topic. Were debating if those who pray "reason honestly" as the resolution states. Not if their beliefs defy logic. Witch by the way pro never proved this happens at all. he made a statement without proving it to be true. Religions have logical arguments and reasons to believe what they believe about prayer and they should not be called illogical because they have a different belief system from someone else. Or in other words, does not follow the so called logic of bandwagon fallacy logic.People were outraged at his ability to connect God with wanting a man to rape a woman, and his inability to see that if God had a plan then it should have been to stop the rape from occurring. etc......Assuming were still referring to Christianity, apparently pro is not aware of why god allows suffering. Atleast according to what the bible teaches. There is a ethical reason god allows evil etc.... , God never wanted a man to rape a woman. This is a classic case of judging a majority for the ignorance of a minority of that majority. Flawed logic. As we can see here my opponent at some points does not reason logically. we cannot associate the mistakes of a single person with a majority and say since this person made a mistake then the group will make the same mistake. This is illogical. Also it is illogical to assume that a god who created something has the obligation to protect it from evil. A good example would be a parent and child. The parent tries to protect the child from all things, but that's impossible. But god is all powerull. Well if god stopped all evil events he would keep reshaping things because he could possibly interfere with the natural order of things, and this activity would not allow him to carry on with the reason he allows suffering now to make sure suffering will not happen in the future because he would not have a case against the devil for the distress he's caused on judgement day. Then he couldn't destroy him and all suffering forever according to the bible.Whatever the case is, there still is no proof provided by pro to call prayer of all religions non-honest. Nor does he have a strong position to say they ignore reasoning skills to reach conclusions and pray. Reaching conclusions, and good sense are qualities that religious people who pray have. Those are the definitions of reason witch they happen to match therefore defeating this resolution partially. I have proven that those who are religious are justified in their beliefs and that they are justified to pray to their gods. I have proven that religious people don't reason dishonestly and do in fact use reasoning skills. This is a partial justified case to vote for con and reject this resolution.Pro earlier made this statement, "is it reasonable to think that there is a deity to control your wishes if he is already in control, knows the outcome, and his will shall be done? No."I asked, "Wishes? are you referring to prayer? Are you suggesting that god controls a persons prayers,..etcHe awnsred that wishes and prayers are the same things. This is not true. Wishes have no recipient to make them happen or to listen to them. Prayer to the religious, Have a recipient who listens and can awnser them. There obviously is a difference.I'm claiming that those who pray defy their own beliefs that God knows all before it happens, etc...The bible does say god knows what you want even before one prays. But does that men one should not pray? No it is showing respect to talk to him even if he knows what you need before you speak. As the bible states god wants a relationship with his people. So is this illogical? NO. Is this a misunderstanding on pros part? yes.1. Prayer is unreasonable because it does nothing. 2) Prayer is unreasonable because etc...3. Prayer is unreasonable because etc...1. The Jews prayed to god and he did remove them from Egypt. This is confirmed by hieroglyphics in Egypt and other historical recordings. Secondly their are millions of accounts that prayer saved lives from various religions. Look on the Internet and you will find it.2. If peoples prayers are awnsred then obviously prayer is effective. Since I just prove prayer is effective this second point fails along with the first.3. I have proven that prayer is showing respect to god and is not illogical, this point fails.I made this statement earlier in response to an illogical comment made by pro."I agree that the statement you just made is not based on sound judgement or good sense just like you said..etc...He tried to twist this and say I agreed with him. Pro stated that his statement was illogical. I agreed that it was illogical and showed why it was illogical and that his statement did not support what he was trying to say. So no is not agreeing with pro.I'm low on characters so I will make it simple. left side of period will be pros point, right side will be my rebuttal1. There is no reason to believe that everything in the bible is the word of God. There is also no reason to make a claim that one cant prove. Humans cannot conclusively decide if god exists or created the bible or not.2. By applying the logic & deductive reasoning that all people use on a daily basis. I have proven that religion is a inductive argument and pro agreed. Witch means pro has affirmed my point for me. Inductive information is used in everyday life as well there are things we can neither see or touch for deductive evidence but we know it exists like gravity.3. Exodus 31:12-15 . the old testament is not to be followed.4.Much like we cannot prove with 100% certainty that their are invisible etc... Introducing the false dilemma and appeal to extremes fallacies are not logical ways to prove your point. Your arguments are not highly probable to be true. Inductive arguments are highly probable to be true. Therefore your appeal to extremes fallacy is not an inductive argument.My opponent has misunderstood etc.. "..perfection of narcissism." It was never intended to mean those who pray are only praying for personal gain.