Jesus Christ being Alive is verifiable

To summarize the major points of your rebuttal. 1.The Bible did not come from God. 2.You tried the verification process…it did not work. 3.Billions testify to the lack of Jesus' current existence. 4.My rebuttal cannot in any way claim "you did it wrong" otherwise I have not made an actual argument. 5.Jesus Christ DIED for our sins. 6.You desire mountains to be moved or someone walking on water. In other words you demand proof that is made evident to you. I believe those are the rebuttals in a nutshell. 3/6 of your rebuttal involves Testimonies of others. So then I will rebut with Testimony. (The Bible did not come from God, You tried the verification process, and Billions testify to Jesus' non-existence.) To convince you it comes down to credentials. You want me to show you the vast miracles God claims. Putting it another way, you do not believe the Bible so you demand evident manifested proof. *Point 1* First let me relay to you the purpose of the Bible. If God was standing over you in a cloud and lightning zapped you every time you did something wrong you would inherently obey every command. Take a child. If you want the child to be perfectly obedient stand over him all day long, and hit him every time he does something wrong and his response will be only because he does not want to get hit. He will be obedient only due to force. He does not want to deal with you in that way. The Bible is the way God wants to deal with you. When you open the Bible and read it and do it, inherently you will always be submitting yourself to Him and He is never forcing you. God does not want to force you into service. He wants someone to recognize how great He is and submit to that truth. Not submit to His overwhelming power. Isn't that how we want* to be dealt with? The second thing in regards to the Bible is not that it is a book written by God. It is a Book of Testimonies. It is written over 4500 years, 66 books written by 40 authors. It is never handwritten from God (despite Dan Brown's straw man). People write it… about what God told them to say. It is inspired. It is what God has communicated to those He chose to be communicators of His divine Will. You* do not have to rely solely on the book; you also have the Testimonies of those who do* trust in the book. Hence… Christian Testimonies. But would* the Bible hold up under your scrutiny? Have you studied every credential of the Bible? I would recommend Lee Strobel. He was the Editor for the Chicago Tribune, received a Masters from Yale in Law and thoroughly (years) and objectively researched all of the points of contention. http://en.wikipedia.org... See his Biography http://www.youtube.com... His Testimony (Video 1) http://www.youtube.com... (Video 2) Athiesm vs. Christianity Debate Hosted by Lee Strobel with Dr. William Lane Craig defending Christianity. This will be great research for a potential concession or rebuttal. Dr. William Lane Craig is another scholar that has studied the credentials of Christianity. This debate is 15 parts and will offer clarity on several points you may have. Lee Strobel has studied and examined all of the evidence from both sides. As I said, it comes down to him studying the credentials of both parties involved. *To Address point 3*(I will skip point 2 for the moment) We both have a multitude of witness' in favor of our viewpoint. However, the vast majority you are placing within the non-Jesus camp never tried the verification process. Nor would they have claimed to. It is a moot argument at that point. If there are a significant number (clearly not the billions stated above) that have tried the verification process as described in generality, and have failed to have a confirmation, they will be addressed in point 2 & 4 together. *Point 5* For clarity on the concept that Jesus Died. This video is fantastic. http://www.youtube.com... The end will clarify the Sunday school definition of Christianities "Hope" the resurrection. This is the fundamental belief of all Christianity. Video 3 *To address point 2 and 4* They are inherently the same thing. To define the common understanding of process. http://www.thefreedictionary.com... 1. A series of actions, changes, or functions bringing about a result: the process of digestion; the process of obtaining a driver's license. If you fail to obtain a driver's license you did not adhere to the "process". You cannot say I have no argument because you did not do it right. That is a fallacy. Now having said that I will by no means beat you up over that. Just some clarification for the purpose of my own clear thinking. In the verification process: Did you come to experience yourself as a flawed individual who had no contact with the creator? When you heard that Jesus died to enable you to have that intimate connection, did you believe that He could do that? Did you respond by loving God (expressed in his absolute goodness) with all your heart, mind, soul, and strength? Did you turn and love the people around you like crazy? Did you give generously, truly generously, reflecting Gods graciousness to you… with joy? Did you try and please God like a good child tries to please his father? To then faithfully obey his commands and then taking pleasure in knowing that you are pleasing in his sight? Did you stop lusting in your heart knowing that was not what God intended for your desires? Did you cease to covet your neighbors wife, house, car, livelihood, knowing that God does and can provide good things for you? Did you forgive people when they did you wrong, in full knowledge that you were forgiven much by God? This is faith. This is obedience. The whole Bible is summarized in two commands. "Love the Lord your God with all your heart, mind, soul and strength." And "Love others as yourselves." This is the understanding of the verification process. It takes years for most to even start to do these things, especially in America. There are those who God comes to… who express these things right away. They shed themselves quickly and wholeheartedly. *Point 6* Again the Testimonies are what we are relying on for this debate as clarified by you. This will also address point 6. http://www.youtube.com... - Pistol Pete Video 4 http://www.youtube.com... - Muslim Convert Video 5 & 6 http://www.youtube.com... http://www.youtube.com... - Doug Batchelor Video 7 http://www.youtube.com... - Stephen Baldwin Interview Video 8 http://www.youtube.com... - Stephen Baldwin Testimony Video 9 You will see all of them have a recurring theme. They understood and heard the testimony of others and they also heard God speaking into their lives. You want a physical manifestation. You want to see miracles. God will do that but God does not want a 10-minute Christian. If you sincerely ask God for 10 minutes on your hands and knees in the dark…. then go watch Heroes having not received an answer in your timeframe, you are not going to get an answer. Not saying you have done this, only what I did when I was 17-23. I never really pursued him. But when I, like that Muslim sat down and diligently searched for the God of the universe… I like these men, found him. Basically you have to believe every Atheist or Agnostic that argues, "Because I have not seen Him you cannot either" or you have to believe every Christian that states they have seen Him and He is alive and powerful. It comes down to credentials. What an Athiest or an agnostic argues…. "Because I have not seen him… you have not seen him." To summarize this fallacy the cartoon on top of page two is great. http://www.answersingenesis.org...