The Visigoth(Germanic) people are superior to Non-Visigoth(Hispanic) people

PRVMan, I will jump right in and examine your assertions. PRVMan: What country is doing better, Germany or Spain? antnego: This is a complex question, as both nations have hit their highs and lows at different points in history based in a myriad of factors, including economical cycles, external global pressures and quality of leadership. Spain reached its Imperial apex and extent of power some time after the decline (and/or assimilation) of Visigoth presence in the Iberian peninsula. If we are looking at an overall comparison of the two countries over the entire course of history, I'd say it's a wash. PRVman stated: The Visigothic people migrated to Spain through conquest and subjugation. They carved their way through the Roman Empire, proving their strength over the Latin people's empire. Germanic people have conquered and showed their strength by subjugating the Latin people and installing their own Germanic king over the ruins of the old empire. The Visigoths became the elite of the new Visigothic kingdom established in northern Spain, Asturias. antnego: Without a factual basis, you also a made a sweeping (and inaccurate) generalization by implying Visigothic military conquest contributes to their superiority over Iberians. The Iberians were not subjugated by Visigoths. The first conquerors of the Iberians were the Greeks and Romans, who were Baltic and Latin peoples, respectively. The Iberians had already been beaten by the Greeks and Romans long before the Visigoths arrived. Your argument demonstrates military conquest of Visigoths to Romans, not Visigoths to Iberians, which is the subject of debate; any argument of military superiority of Visigoths to Iberians contributing to overall, or intrinsic superiority, is thereby moot. And interestingly enough, the Roman Empire did a great job of holding off barbarian hordes, including Visigoths (initially referred to as the Tervingi by Roman texts), for a significant length of time. The Visigoths successfully penetrated Roman strongholds and defenses after the Empire was in shambles, much like a old, sick lion waits to encounter crippled prey before striking. During the height of the Roman Empire, Rome clearly possessed military superiority over other Empires and nations, including Germanic tribes. Not much is known about the origins of the Visigoths, aside from Roman records indicating their migration into Europe of facilitated by the aggression of the Huns. There is not much Pre-Antiquity recorded information about Visigoths to accurately compare the cultures Iberians and Visigoths. Iberians had a complex culture which included bronze work. sculpture, and written language. The development of Iberian culture was influenced by the Greeks and Phoenicians, much like the Visigoth conquerors assimilated many of the cultural trappings of Rome. Iberian and Visigoth cultures hit their respective peaks at different points in history. In fact, your entire argument appears to center around conquerors being intrinsically superior to the conquered. Are Americans superior to Germans? They were the pivotal force behind victory in both World Wars. American peoples include Blacks, Poles, Jews, Chinese, Japanese, Hispanics, as well as Western Europeans such as French, German, Scandinavians and Britons. American military victory in World War II would certainly imply the superiority of the aforementioned ethnic groups to the Germanic peoples, wouldn't it? Let's not forget Russians. Those "darned Huns" and Slavs finally caught up to those Germanic escapees and gave them a hard time :) The assertion that Visigoths had a "superior faith" to the Iberians is also a curious one. Visigoths arrived to the Iberian peninsula as pagans and resisted complete conversion until approximately 538 CE. Iberians also had a polytheistic religion, which was no doubt shaped by the respective religions of Greek and Roman conquerors. The assertion that one "faith" can be superior to the other is absurd, in that fact that faith is based in something that cannot be observed and scientifically unverifiable. It's like saying believing in unicorns is superior to venerating the Flying Spaghetti Monster. PRVMan stated: For example, they are more friendly and do not ashow the arrogance that a Castillian would. Visgoths are not more arrogant than other Hispanics. They often seem more intelligent by the manner that they act. They often carry themselves with more professionalism, coming from a prestigious race, they are often humble but well-respected. The nation in Latin America with the most prominence of people of Visigothic ancestry is Puerto Rico. Puerto Rico is a dependency of the Germanic nation of USA. People consider Puerto Rico to be a nicer place than other Latin American countries, like Mexico or Honduras. This is because the locals are nicer and more intelligent, a property of their Visigothic ancestry. antnego: This assertion is so utterly absurd, I don't know where to begin. If you're basing your stereotypes on anecdotal evidence and limited personal experience, that would hardly equate to objective fact. Puerto Rico is affected by crushing poverty outside of its tourist traps. There are areas of South America, like Buenos Aires, that are far more hospitable than most of Puerto Rico. And to call the USA a "Germanic Nation" is equally absurd, as its existence was built upon multiple ethnic groups, not just Germans. The British forefathers were not entirely "Germanic," and have genetic lineage in Celtic and Welsh indigenous populations. PRVMan: I hope you realize that my opinion is correct and is fact. antnego: I also hope you realize that "opinion" is based on subjective platitudes and doesn't win debates; however, "facts" can. I will recognize your *arguments* as correct if you can sufficiently back them up with *credible* and verifiable observations that aren't based in your personal bias or limited personal experiences. :) Sources: http://www.sjsu.edu... Spain: Historical Setting - Library of Congress Country Study - Iberia Iberians - MSN Encarta". Archived from the original on 2009-10-31. E. A. Thompson, The Visigoths in the time of Ulfila, Duckworth, 2008, p. 9 Collins, Visigothic Spain, 22"24. http://www.ancientmilitary.com...