LM Classic: Yraelz vs. feverish

Thanks to Yraelz for the prompt response. ____ Monkey. Thankfully my opponent seems to have dropped his false argument about Monkey having the title of 'god' and is now directing his "god-like" argument at Monkey's powers rather than his status. I have maintained all along that the restrictions on "no gods" and on including street-level characters relate to power rather than semantics. Pro: "My opponent does nothing to address any of my arguments against Monkey's substantial powers." That's not true. Last round I specified about how Monkey has been defeated before to show the limit of his resilience to attacks. None of Monkey's powers represent anything approaching omnipotence and there are clear limits to all of them. Sentry is arguably more powerful but both these characters are permitted by the rules. Monkey cannot move as fast as Seph, Ichi or Sentry, nor can he strip others of their powers and absorb them as Black Alice can. In no way is he overpowered compared to Team Pro. Similarly Black Alice is not omnipotent ( which would make her too powerful for this tournament) but as I have shown, she is clearly too powerful to be considered street-level. Yraelz pretty much concedes Alice's illegality in this battle when he says "Either Black Alice and Monkey both go or stay." Personally I would not accept the disqualification of a character that I truly believed to be legitimate. ____ Street Level. I won't dispute that Alice spends a lot of her time fighting non-supes (although she has also gone up against omnipotent beings like Darkseid, been allied with The Shadowpact and The Society and spent time in Hell) but the street-level restriction covers powers as well as location. Pro: "My opponent was given equal opportunity to compete on any non-god level with me, however he chose not to. I think this shows that my opponent did not believe in having a fair debate in the first place but rather was just attempting to grab an easy win." Once again, I chose to play by the rules outlined by the tournament master. It is my opponent who chose to break the rules while trying to base his arguments upon them. I think I have been more than fair in sticking with my original team. I don't understand the logic in my opponent claiming I have "handicapped" myself in one round and then saying I'm trying to "grab an easy win" in the next. Comparing Alice to Spidey is irrelevant. Spidey can not perform any of Alice's powers but she could easily take his powers, enabling her to do everything he can do and still have room left for the abilities of another more powerful character. ____ Negative One Second. I do wish my opponent would make up his mind here. Either Sentry "reaches" the start of the battle sooner (violating rule 13) or he acts before the battle has begun (violating rule 4). ____ Sentry. Pro: "all of Sentry's powers come from sunlight." No, his powers come from the serum that he ingested which altered his molecules. In his first debate in this tournament my opponent was under the false impression that Sentry would actually have to consume this serum at the start of the battle. Although he has since corrected this error of comprehension, it seems that he still needs to research his most powerful character further. Natural daylight does weaken Dracula somewhat but I still don't see why Sentry's artificial version would do the same, much less make all his powers ineffective. Pro: "Dracula must be aware or able to see one's presence in order to use this power." I did specify that Drac would only take control of Sentry once Sentry made his presence known to him but incidentally, Dracula was able to control minds from a great distance (Transylvania to England) in the novel eg. Lucy Westenra and Renfield. http://www.literature.org... Pro: "my opponent is still ignoring the fact that every member on his team is bound by the solid light constructs" This assumes that Sentry would be able to locate the members of my team and construct these barriers around them, while simultaneously attempting to wipe their minds and otherwise attack them before they can act. Sentry may be a genius (like Tony) and be able to reach incredible speeds but his thought processes are still on a human level and there is no way he would be able perform so many complicated mental calculations and stress inducing manifestations of his power in such a short time. Pro: "heat graduation goggles" These are not goggles but hi-tech helmets with digital visual monitors that could easily distinguish between extreme heat and body temperature as well as simply filtering out the excess light and being able to track opponents by other means (see last round). Monkey can "see through what others can not", Yraelz asserts that Sentry's light would blind people (i.e. they wouldn't be able to see through it) so I think it qualifies. Pro: "when Sentry said he could hear a butterfly in Africa that was a claim. As such is every argument my opponent has used against Sentry." Surely my opponent can distinguish between a claim made by a character and events that are actually depicted in the comic. A motive for deceit is not required, such a claim is unverified. Pro: "my opponent is completely wrong about Sentry's susceptibility to mental manipulation. Sentry has shown a susceptibility to mental manipulation from the void multiple times." Whoa. Please read the last round where I exposed Yraelz's inaccurate quote mining on this issue. Sentry is susceptible to mental manipulation *full stop (period)*. Yes this includes from The Void, which I never denied, but is not limited to it. Pro: "This page doesn't show anything on it's own." It shows Sentry crying and running away. Pro: "Sentry reacts badly to a black magic spell, not mental manipulation." It is black magic that allows Dracula to manipulate minds, 'black magic' is a literal translation of the word necromancy. Pro: "Frame two of this picture shows the void up on top of building" Incorrect. That's not the void, it is Sentry's own watchtower where the CLOC transmissions Tony is hacking originate from. I think the examples of Sentry's weakness to magical mind attacks, the fact that the Wiki notes his susceptibility to mental manipulation generally (not just by the void) and the proven extent of Dracula's powers in this area make a strong case for Drac possessing Sentry completely. Controlling the mind does indeed entail controlling the body (including eyes) as well. It is minds that translate the images that eyes see. _____ Ichigo. What I was attempting to clarify was whether "spiritual pressure" implies putting pressure on the "spirits" of my team, my point being that I don't believe they possess spirits in this manner. It is one issue how characters maintain their powers over their own supernatural bodies and quite a different one how a character can affect a part of a person that only characters in their own world have. Light filtering: http://micro.magnet.fsu.edu... Also sunglasses. ____ Forgotten. Regrettably I am running low on space but I will be happy to respond to these points when Pro has responded to the mindwipe issue, the point defense system, Slave 1 and other dropped arguments. ____ Pro: "Not only don't I think Black Alice violates the rules under Con's logic but I think even if she did then I'd throw Ichigo out instead." Pro informed me that he considered Alice street-level, not Ichi. Here he concedes that Alice is more powerful than Ichi. ____ Pro asserts that he is winning at the moment but this is of course for the judges to decide. Personally I think the confrontation between Dracula and Sentry could prove crucial to the outcome but with two more rounds remaining, there is still a lot that can happen. Thanks. Con.