The role of the Soviet Union in defeating Germany was greater than that of the Western Allies.

I will start by saying that you may have missed my points. Rebuttal for your argument 1. The Western Allies were not responsible for Germany breaking the treaty of Versailles, as Germany actioned its mass militarization in secret, as Hitler had planned in Mein Kampff. And because of Germany's Blitzkrieg tactics, it was able to cover mass amounts of land quickly and efficiently, so the allies had barely any time to react before Germany had taken over huge amounts of territory. Also Britain and France were not in the position to give aid to Spain, as they were preparing for a war, whilst the Soviets were sitting on the sidelines for now. The only point you have in this argument is that the Soviets gave a bit of aid to Spain; this does not prove that they played a greater role in defeating Germany, not to mention Spain was then taken over, just like you said. Rebuttal for your argument 2. I disagree that WWII was decided on the eastern front. Yes roughly 80% of Germany's forces were destroyed by the Soviet but without the allied forces, taking out the Luftwaffe, defending North Africa and parts of Iran, This was far more important than the Soviets advance as it stopped Axis forces from encroaching on far more strategical and important land. Not to mention with the Luftwaffe being destroyed, the Soviets did not have to contend with any German air force which could have potentially turned the tide of the whole Soviet advance. Also 80% of German MILITARY, this does not include German Naval forces, or Air Force. Rebuttal for your argument 3. You have neglected to mention that the Allies (America mainly) assisted in the capture of Berlin and played a major role in the capture, as if only the Soviets had attacked Berlin, almost all of the German forces would have been counter attacking the Soviets. The Soviets were not the only reason that Hitler committed suicide (if that is the true story). I will now rebut your Rebuttals. Rebuttal for your Rebuttal 1. On the contrary, it does support my debate as it shows that the Soviets missed much of the opening conflict between the allies and Germany. No, the Allies didn't split Europe like USSR; the Germans invaded the land and took it by force, while the Soviets took equal parts of Poland to subdue any conflict. Yes the Allies did have a non-aggression pact, BEFORE THE WAR. It was the treaty of Versailles. The Allies were fighting the war before the Soviets even had any inclination of joining the war. The point of the USSR had been fighting fascism way before the allies is irrelevant, we are talking about who had a greater role not who has been fighting longer. And with you point about Spain and everything that follows, see my arguments above. Rebuttal for your Rebuttal 2. Yes the Allies destroyed less military than the Soviets, but they captured more strategic territory, defended more countries in various places, still made it to Berlin with the Soviets, and even had to contend with Japan a lot more than the Soviets did. Also the Soviets did incur more casualties mainly due to poor tactics and "kill if you retreat" method. If anything the Soviets could have done better to assist in the capture of Germany. Yes the Germans lost more people in Stalingrad than Africa, but the strategic importance of Africa cannot be understated. Also I would say the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki (over 200,000 civilians killed and more underlying effect of destruction) were Japans greatest defeat, and actually made them surrender. The Soviets also outnumbered the whole German military, yet the Soviets still did not use the mass military they had effectively, and only used it for Soviet purposes, not for the war and the conflict, but to neutralize a threat for themselves. If they had used their military to the full potential, the Germans could have been defeated quicker and fewer casualties would have occurred. Also the Soviets never fought in America during WWII; don’t know where you got that from. Rebuttal for your Rebuttal 3. I was stating that the RAF had destroyed the Luftwaffe, eliminating it from attacking the Soviets, and potentially turning the tide of the war. The Allies destroyed it; therefore the allies played a major part in defeating Germany. In conclusion, you seem to be moving in the direction of how many German forces the Soviets killed which does not necessarily mean that the Soviets did more. http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk... (Treaty of Versailles) http://en.wikipedia.org... (Mein Kampff/f) http://en.wikipedia.org... (Japan and Atom Bomb) http://history1900s.about.com... (Soviet Non-aggression pact) http://en.wikipedia.org... (General other information in my paragraphs)