The Avengers can destroy the Justice League

Before resuming the debate, I want to applaud you thus far. I have seen many of these and the person starting them doesn"t even finish, but more than that, you are stepping up your arguments every time. OK, time in. I declared myself winner in one specific scenario due to the fact that you changed things up and completely ignored my last argument. And looking back, I thought we were going with scenarios in which there was no prep time, but I agree we did not establish those rules so I cannot hold that against your argument. But your idea that your most recent scenario could happen without prep time is a little hard to follow. They meet randomly, and a fight ensues. So Tony Stark thinks, "Let me hack the Batcomputer (assuming he knew that was a thing and where to find it) and locate Batman"s contingency plans (assuming he knew those had already been created) for these people we are fighting." And then he would be able to put a nanite in WW"s ear, get fear toxin from the Scarecrow and use it on Aquaman, create and then hit the flash with a "vibra-bullet", and expose Superman to red kryptonite. There would have to be prior planning to the fight in order for Stark to know there was something to steal, and to steal it, and then implement it, and not get beaten by Superman or Cyborg in the process. Yes Black Widow could in theory implement Batman"s contingency plans, but she couldn"t come up with them, which is my point. And I am so confused as to your definition of being smarter and how that applies to situations. Yes Stark is super smart in the fields that you mentioned, but those fields weren"t strategy and scheming. Otherwise the Black Panther wouldn"t have been able to prep for and defeat Stark. Stephen Hawking is really smart when it comes to physics. It doesn"t mean he knows French, or politics, or religion, or how to cook. He may know those things, but it isn"t BECAUSE he is good in respect to physics. That is why I say regardless of Tony"s achievements, there are some things Batman is better at. Wait, I am confused. Does Iron Man not need to make contingency plans for the Avengers because Shield already has done it? Or does he not have to because he has already made suits to handle them? If the first happened he wouldn"t need to do the other. And as we have seen, his armors don"t actually work all the time. Thorbuster armor was beaten (Iron Man Volume 3 64 ) , Hulkbuster 2 armor was beaten (already showed that reference), Anti-Transformer armor was beaten (New Avengers Tranformers Vol 1.1 ). Batman"s plans were pretty much perfect the first time. My argument about the Flash slitting people"s throats was a bit sarcastic. It was just showing how getting the jump on the other group fundamentally changed how this would go, and make it unfair to whichever team got that first strike advantage. Would you feel better if instead of the Flash killing his opponents he tied them to their beds really securely? Or just shattered all their limbs? The point is, if they aren"t expecting him, there isn"t anything they can do about him. Also, I did stipulate at the beginning that each character would be using the full capacity of their powers. And by that very nature if he is moving as fast as he can move, people will die when he punches them. Also, why does being a forensic scientist mean that you do not kill? He does not take an oath to "do no harm." Those are medical doctors. As far as the rest of the JL goes, early Batman killed a lot, but not in his current form. However, he wouldn"t be needed for that anyway. Hawkeye has a bow and arrows? Well so does Green Arrow. Thor is a warrior? So is WW. Here is a list of the people she has killed since the Crisis on Infinite earth series. http://www.cbr.com.... Aquaman has no issues with killing his enemies. Superman doesn"t like to do it, but when he is facing someone in his league strength-wise he has killed (Doomsday). The Justice League (as a group) may not be exactly pro-killing. But they can make it happen when they need to. However Captain America has had a no-kill rule in the comics since the mid 70"s. With all that said, The Flash wrecks most of your plans if you are to not have preparation before the fight. If you had set my lineup with Martian Manhunter instead of the Flash, I wouldn"t have even taken up the debate. He is the one problem that must be solved, and due to the fact that he can move and react faster than thought can happen, he has to be caught off guard to be defeated, especially if he is going all out. Scarlet Witch might be your heaviest hitter overall, with how they have evolved her powers over the years. But if she cant survive the first 333 nano seconds of the fight she can"t be of much use. So as far as I see it, the only way the Avenger's win is if they steal Batman's plans before the fight and prepare in advance.