Best general of WWII.

"Guderian's defeat at Moscow was a loss for Hitler as any defeat would be a loss to anyone with that high of a political position. However, Hitler was not directly responsible for the defeat, therefore I believe it falls on Guderian's shoulders." Hitler did not order any winter supplies sent to the front even when he was asked multiple times. Then after the Soviets began to counterattack, Hitler did not allow any retreat. Guderian disobeyed Hitler's order and saved as many of his men as he could and was sacked as a result along with 40 other commanders. Hitler ordered an attack on Moscow in the winter. Therefor he is to blame. Guderian made no mistakes. Hitler did. [2] "Numerical advantage doesn't determine how good of a leader someone is. It may determine who wins the battle, but the best general could have very few numbers and still win a battle, or vice versa." At Moscow, the Germans were outnumbered about 2 to 1, like they often were. Patton was NEVER outnumbered as heavily as Guderian. Although the Germans had superior tanks than Patton did, the Germans had fewer. In addition, tanks are often useless without air cover which the Germans often didn't have. "Germany had Panzers and Tigers, which were superior to the US's Shermans." Thanks to Guderian. "As far as combat experience, I'd actually say Patton had more experience. He was a cavalry soldier on border patrol in 1915 (this is where he began carrying a Colt on his hip). Later, he was part of an expedition led against Pancho Villa, during which time he began commanding troops. In WW1, he was assigned command of the U.S. 1st Provisional Tank Brigade and fought in the front lines of multiple battles. He was even wounded in one attack. I would go into further detail about these events, but the topic at hand is more focused on WW2 generals." However Guderian had more experience as being a commander. He commanded large quantities of forces throughout WWII while Patton began commanding forces only in 1942 by which time the Germans had already been weakened. "Patton may have had many victories due to numbers, but that doesn't mean they're worth any less." Good, Con basically admits that many of Patton's victories were due to numbers. Victories due to numbers bring up this question: "what if size of the army Patton had been facing was equal in size?" Of course that is just speculation. Like Patton, Guderian never really suffered a defeat. Guderian lost at Moscow, however that was not really a defeat for him. It was a defeat for Hitler. <---Con fails to contradict this. While Patton almost always had a numerical advantage, Guderian was almost always outnumbered. <---Con admits to this. Guderian developed the Blitzkrieg tactics, many of which were used not only by the Germans, but by the Soviets, British, and Americans. <---Con completely ignores this. Guderian developed tactics that were used by many other generals, even Patton in some cases. Guderian had much more combat experience than Patton did. Guderian fought in WWI. He helped protect the German borders from the Bolshevik threat. Guderian fought throughout WWII while America only entered WWII in 1941 and began combate in 1942. <---As a commander, Guderian had more experience. However I believe that Con has succeeded in proving that Guderian's and Patton's experiences in combat were equal. Guderian's victories had more worth since he was constantly outnumbered and was almost always at a disadvantage. <---Con does address this point, however he fails to prove that Patton's victories were worth more. He seems to believe that the fact that German tanks were superior, this made up for the lack of manpower. However the Germans often did not have enough air cover. Anyway, I believe that a battle in which you are outnumbered 2:1 and still win has more worth than a battle in which you have a numerical advantage of 2:1 and win. In addition, the Germans had to deal with a superior number of T-34's which were better than the Panzers. Anyway, Con completely fails to prove how Patton was a better general than Guderian. He mostly just tried to refute my arguments. Please vote Pro. Sources: http://en.wikipedia.org... http://en.wikipedia.org...