McCain is not a conservative

Immigration- I'm sorry, I didn't know it was my job to fill youu in on the issues. The topic of the debate, as I keep reminding you, isn't whether or not conservatism is right or if you agree with it, but whether or not McCain fits the bill. Clearly he doesn't, as you admit. I would hardly consider Bush the number one conservative. Thats laughable. Your logic is SO drastically flawed. Just because McCain is the nominee and people are voting for him doesn't mean that he exerts conservative values. Thats the reason for this debate. The fact remains, despite McCains hot air, that he personally championed a bill that flew in the face of conservative values, specifically amnesty. His record proves that he isn't a conservative on immigration. Period. McCain-Feingold- Again, the topic of the debate isn't conservatism, but McCain. So I don't see how much you hating Bush is relevant. The simple reputation of the bill is a liberal one. Not to mention that Feingold is one of the most liberal senators. The fact that McCain's name is on the bill is a statement to how badly he can jump across to liberal ideals. Big Government- You said Paul is the only advocate for small government, clearly meaning McCain is big government. I don't see how this can be mistaken. Anyway, on every point you are assimilating the Bush presidency with conservatism, which is a BIG mistake. Conservatives want smaller government. Every conservative from Paul to Fred to Newt preaches smaller government and it is most definately a cornerstone of the conservative movement. So, since we agree that McCain is big government and conservatives are small government, eventhough Bush isn't, McCain would therefore not be a conservative. Seems easy enough, but I guess it wasn't. Fiscal Conservatism- Again, take a look at McCain's RECENT record and it will clear things up. He has a terrible record on conservative issues, as I pointed out last round and you didn't rebut. He is in favor of things like the death tax, which conservatives are blatantly opposed. He may be against pork, but there are many issues, like the estate and death tax, which is he is not conservative at all. Foreign Policy- Here, you and McCain just keep blowing hot air. He wasn't the only one valiantly defending the surge, he just went along with what every other Republican and conservative thought at the time. This wasn't a difficult position at all, so he needs to quit taking credit for it as one. Also, McCain holds many views that are not conservative here as well. McCain wants to end torture and shut down guantanamo. Both of which are definately not conservative principles. Judges- McCain can tell us anything he wants, but his record tells us otherwise. He opposed many conservative judges, investigated Abrahomoff, and backed the Dems in filibustering Bush's court appointees. Again, this whole notion of McCain's promises versus what he actually backs when in office. Social Conservatism- So, I didn't answer a pathetic novice argument so I concede? What is this the freshman debate team? Social conservatism is not the only element of being a conservative. Nice try though. McCain holds some conservative views, that I don't deny. But, being from a red state, he must have those in order to appease voters. He shows his liberal colors when in office as he and his record show. McCain is promising all of these things in an attempt to appeal to conservatives now. His record shows that they are lies. I have adequately shown the numerous anti-conservative positions that McCain holds, not to mention his atrocious rating from the ACU last year (third worst). He can blow all the smoke he wants on the campaign trail because he knows conservatives don't like him, but we know better.