English premier league vs Spanish la liga.

Let me show how Liverpool are a top team. For the beginning of this season Liverpool had what was probably their worst manager in the history of the club (Roy Hodgson). Earlier this year Hodgson got replaced by Kenny Dalglish (praise the Lord! ). Dalglish has done an amazing job at Liverpool since he’s come in. Liverpool were around 16th place when he took over, now they are 5th place. Considering he only took over last January that is an amazing feat. Liverpool were on the worst streak in a very long time. The players were not performing, morale was very low, the Managers tactics did not fit Liverpool at all, fans were angry etc. .. Now Liverpool are 5th place, just one behind a champions league spot. They have scored in all of their last 16 games. They were one of the only teams to beat Manunited, they beat Man city 3-0, they just beat Birmingham 5-0, today they beat Newcastle 3-0. If Andy Carroll continues with the form he had at Newcastle Liverpool will have one of the best attacks in the EPL, with Luis Suarez, Andrew Carroll, and Dirk Kuyt who is on extremely good form right now. One reason king Kenny (as we like to call him) has lifted Liverpool so much is because he is THE greatest legend in Liverpool history. Both as a player and as a manager. He has lifted the morale extremely high. So many of the Liverpool players are performing well, while before he came were performing badly. He’s always cracking jokes which further lifts the players and the fans morale. Man City: What about the list of players I mentioned that show they have on of the very best teams on paper? Man city have been one of the best clubs this season. I don’t think there has been a time when they haven’t been in the top four this season. And yes they didn’t qualify for the champions league last year the reasons for which are because there are too many good teams in the EPL for all of them to qualify. Tottenham beat them to the spot with Man city finishing 5th. Tottenham: I still have strong evidence that spurs are a top team. They have been the best English club in the champions league this year. They were unlucky to draw Real Madrid so early in the competition. And they have been a serious threat to whomever they face in the EPL. And they have one of the best managers. My opponent seems to forget that he holds the BOP just as much as me. I have given much evidence to my claims of the six teams I mentioned. My opponent has given almost none for the ones he mentioned with the exception of the obvious Barcelona and Real Madrid. I have done a much better job then my opponent of arguing the superiority of these teams. Unfortunately even if con does provide evidence I won’t be able to refute it as this is the last round. //the point is Pro has given no reason why Valencia, Atletico, Villareal, and Sevilla are not up to the level of these "top teams. "// THIS IS NOT MY JOB TO PROVE. Again like I said earlier con seems to forget that he holds the BOP as well. He has not made many claims that these teams are capable of playing at the top level. It would be my job to refute these claims, but as I have given much evidence for Man city Tottenham etc…I think the readers will find that those teams are not as good as them. //Pro also mentions the gap between the 3rd –6th La Liga teams and Barcelona and Madrid. Does this mean Valencia, Atletico, and Villareal are bad? // Not bad, average. //The other more likely possibility is that Barcelona and Madrid are simply amazing teams that the other teams can't keep up with. // As the gap is from Madrid down, Barcelona need not be mentioned. However my opponent has not given nearly enough evidence to support the fact that Real Madrid are simply amazing. // don't think Pro has proven otherwise. // Again I have given more proof than my opponent so yes I have proven so. //My point was that of course Newcastle will have good players. Its Newcastle. Your example is not a good one. // I still think it’s a weak argument. Newcastle are currently 12th place. If a team my opponent says '"will of course have good players" is bellow mid table it is strong evidence for my statements that the EPL has many good teams, which in turn supports my statements that the EPL has a strong attraction to foreign players and that the EPL is tougher to survive in. //With regards to the Valencia statement, I think you took my words out of context. // If so, it was completely unintentional. //the point was, he played for Gijon, moved to Zaragosa, and then went to Valencia and Barcelona. // My opponent still only gave one example, while I gave many; Foster, Carroll, Young, Parker, Downing, Charlie Adam, Barton etc… Therefore I win that argument. //What I meant by "crunching tackles" was tackles that break people's legs. When a team tries to play good football in England, (Arsenal *cough) they get their legs broken in half. I didn't mean their defense is particularly better. With regards to defense, the Italian league is undoubtedly the best. // My opponent acknowledges the fact that it would be difficult for Spanish teams to play football in the EPL. //When a team tries to play good football in England, (Arsenal *cough) they get their legs broken in half. // Saying the Italian league is the best at defense is irrelevant as they do not have anything to do with this debate. And the small amount of goals conceded by EPL teams compared to La Liga teams shows the quality in defense. I disagree when my opponent says Barca have the best defense. I say Manu do; let me prove so. Vidic is a favorite for the player of the year reward. Ferdinand was the best defender in the world a few seasons ago and still is very good. Patrice Evra is a good defender and is Frances number 1. Oshea is a good defender as well. Smalling has done a fantastic job covering for injured players and in my opinion should start games even when the whole team is fit. Manunited have one of the best record this season for goals conceded. [1] //Actually, with that logic, you could prove that Barcelona and Madrid are the only two good teams in the world. // This implies that my opponent thinks the players he mentioned represent all of the best players in the world. Sorry but that’s ridiculous. There are many good players who have played for English clubs. Unfortunety I have no space to list any. //Manchester United owned Ronaldo; not anymore. So what's the best league in the world? // My opponent mentioned players who used to play in Spain such as Ronaldinho, so I do not see his problem with me saying that. I was merely pointing it out that his best years were at Manu, in fact he was sold for 80million pounds which is the record. // Why do people watch football? Because they want to be entertained. // Being entertaining does not make one thing better than the other, especially in football. //Real Madrid have an amazing set of players, ranging from rising stars to players already recognized as the best in the world. // Con refrains from mentioning a single players name. If Real have so many good players it should be easy to do so. //They have more good players than they can play at once. I'm pretty certain that all you must do is watch them to see they are the second best team in the world. // My opponents “proof” is that if you watch them play you will see they are the second best. Asking the audience to find their own evidence is not evidence at all and therefore can be discarded. //And EPL teams don't dive? // You’ll get players in any league that dive but no league is it most uncommon is the EPL. It’s the same with the National team. If you read English player autobiographies as I have done they always write about what other national teams do in order to win. It is not tolerated as much in the EPL both by the fans and the staff. Thanks again to my opponent for a fun debate. [1]. http://www.premierleague.com...