God is omnipotent

Thanks for your 2nd round, Pro.I'm fine with AmericanDeist being excluded from voting.I also wish to remind voters that they need to use the opt-in voting standards.*Resolution*The resolution has specific, agreed to definitions that leave Pro with the burden to show that there exists a creator AND ruler of the universe AND source of all moral authority AND that this agent is unlimited in power in terms of quantity AND extent.Pro's got his work cut out for him, given all of those ANDs lurking in the agreed to definitions.So, to be clear, Pro has to show that there exists:1. a creator of the universe.2. a ruler of the universe.3. a source of ALL moral authority.4. an entity, god, who satisfies all 3.5. this god that is also unlimited in the quantity of powers.6. this god that is also unlimited in the extent of powers.Whew!I'm here to negate all of that.*Creation Is Temporal*Creation is a number of time-based actions, of a related kind, coming one after another, taken in order to bring something into existence.See for yourself:creation - the PROCESS of bringing something into existence.https://en.oxforddictionaries.com...process - a SERIES of actions taken in order to achieve a particular end.https://en.oxforddictionaries.com...series - a number of events of a related kind coming one AFTER another.https://en.oxforddictionaries.com...after - in the TIME following an event.https://en.oxforddictionaries.com...This means that creation is inherently time-based.Going from creator-->created product is therefore temporal.This also means that creators necessarily use a time-based process to bring about their creations.*Precedence Is Temporal*Creators not only use a time-based process consisting of one event after another, they also necessarily precede their creations.The process of creator existing-->creating-->created product can only be described if and only if the creator comes before, or precedes, its creation. Well, before (precedence) is another temporal or time-based concept.How could a creator precede its creation without time?before - during the period of TIME preceding.https://en.oxforddictionaries.com...Pro, can you distinguish between a creator and its created product without using time or temporal concepts?I argue that without time, one cannot tell the difference between a creator and its created product; one wouldn't be able to tell if creation has occurred because there would be no precedence.*Spacetime*While you may get some differing physicist's opinions on whether or not space and time are the same thing, there is no dispute that they are inter-contingent.Without time, there is no space, and without space, there is no time.In fact, that's why they put space and time on a continuum, called spacetime."In the first place it is clear that the equations must be linear on account of the properties of homogeneity which we attribute to space and time."http://www.fourmilab.ch...So, hereafter, if space is mentioned, one should think of spacetime, and if time is mentioned, one should also think of spacetime.*Space is Expanding*Space is also currently expanding at a fixed rate proportional to the distance between the galaxies, called the Hubble Constant.http://iopscience.iop.org...What's great is that we can go back in time by using the inverse of the Hubble Constant, the rate at which space contracts, and see how long space has been expanding.Doing this indicates that space, and therefore time, were at one point very, very small, and as recent anisotropy probes have detected, there was a point when there was no space, therefore no time.https://map.gsfc.nasa.gov...*No Creator of the Universe*So, when there was no time, there could not have been creation, because creation is necessarily temporal and so is precedence.This also means that the universe wasn't created, because spacetime began at the universe's origin.Unfortunately for god, in this debate, a creator of the universe doesn't exist, because the time required for such a process, creation, originates with the space of the universe which wasn't there without the universe.No space, no time, no creation, no creator of the universe, no god in this debate.*Source of Immorality*From what I can gather, the god of the bible is the ultimate author of it, so what we find in the bible is morally approved by him.According to the god of the bible in Exodus 21:20 - 21:21:"Anyone who beats their male or female slave with a rod must be punished if the slave dies as a direct result,but they are not to be punished if the slave recovers after a day or two, since the slave is their property."http://biblehub.com...http://biblehub.com...Apologists typically throw out that the idea "slave" is being used to mean "servant" or "butler."Ok, so god's cool with you beating a butler as long as you don't kill them BECAUSE they are your property?If we're to believe that the author of these ideas is the source of all moral authority, then is it moral to own other humans as property?Pro, do you believe that it is moral for humans to own other humans as property?Why do you think the source of all moral authority would authorize such behavior?God also adds in Deuteronomy 22:13 - 22:21:"If a man takes a wife and, after sleeping with her, dislikes her and slanders her and gives her a bad name, saying, 'I married this woman, but when I approached her, I did not find proof of her virginity' [and]...the charge is true and no proof of the young woman"s virginity can be found, she shall be brought to the door of her father"s house and there the men of her town shall stone her to death. She has done an outrageous thing...by being promiscuous while still in her father"s house. You must purge the evil from among you."https://www.biblegateway.com...So, the alleged source of all moral authority, god, is not cool with women having sex before marriage, and if this does in fact occur, he commands all of the men of the town to stone them to death?I'm speechless. One would expect the source of all MORAL authority to be, I don't know...moral.Pro, is stoning a promiscuous girl at her father's doorstep moral?If not, why would the source of all moral authority instruct people to do such things?*Pro's Case*Pro never touched on how god created the universe, how god rules the universe, or how he's the source of all moral authority, so there really wasn't much of a case at all from Pro.For these reasons, I need not refute anything, because the definition of god hasn't been exemplified in Pro's case at all.Next round we'll be discussing omnipotence...great.I reject that the non-existent creator of a universe that wasn't created isn't unlimited in power in terms of quantity and extent.