The Dark Knight Rises Was A Superior Movie To The Avengers (Assemble)

As a just consequence of the forfeited round, I’m going to tyrannically demand my own suggested criteria “Comic Justice” be added to Pro’s list of areas to compare the 2 movies in as we debate which is better. Also while my opponent forfeited thus losing one round of this debate, I’m still not going to waist my round 2, and Pro will just have to deal with having one round less to debate with than I have. Lead Character: I’m going to decline my opponent’s absurd suggestion to just pick just one of the Avengers who I argue for in the Lead Character and Lead Hero Categories. Agreeing to that would be like agreeing to not mention the Wizard of Oz was in color in a debate where I’m to argue why that movie was great. The fact that Avengers successfully does have multiple lead hero’s is part of what makes the movie not only great, but a Landmark film in all Superhero Movie History. Never before has this been done with any success that I am aware of. League of Extraordinary Gentlemen Alan Quartermain steals the show away even in TV series meant to have bizarre multiple unrelated hero’s like ‘Heroes’ writers find there plot has to give higher leading status in the plot to one of there characters like Peter Petrieli. Whether the writing has been good (Extraordinary Gentlemen) or bad (Heroes), it has never been done before in films and television where a story with a superhero team doesn’t have a lead character. I will concede it is tempting to think Tony Stark is the main character when an Actor like Robert Downy Jr upstages just about anyone he plays with, even if he’s the Fake black sidekick method Actor to a big leading star like Ben Stiller. But when asked in an interview if he was the lead character in the Avengers movie, Downy said he did suggest that to the director, and they tried it and decided it did not work. He said none of the characters can be called the lead, as they are all different arms of the same Octopus. Lead Hero: In Costume, there can be little doubt that Avengers excels against Dark Knight Rises. All of the Avengers are given there own moments to shine for the powers they have and in context with who they are even. When Captain America steps in to Germany to stop Loki, suddenly Loki becomes Hitler reincarnate in a much more iconic way than he was before and the Captains shield become Freedom itself as he comes to stop the tyrant. Meanwhile Iron Man arrives on scene to the AC:DC music that partly won the Iron Man films over into all our hearts. Thor drops on scene with the thunder itself like the out of this world God he is. Hulk tears everything up in wonderful Hulk fashion…..we couldn’t of asked for more. There is even plenty of chances for the seemingly weaker powered hero’s to shine as equals in some way from the rest of the hero’s, You would think Thor outclasses Captain America and would intimidate him but he championed my Christian faith and just said ‘there’s only one God ma’am, and I’m pretty sure he doesn’t dress like that” then stops Thor’s hammer with his shield. Also between the Black Widow and Fury, we see the full advantage the professional spy world can have even in dealing with superpowered individuals like the Hulk or Loki, even Coleson shows some of the cool limits an average agent can reach working for shield. Lead Villain: as I said before Loki quickly became as Iconic for every ant-American thing out there by the brilliant writing done for his scene in Germany. And as for the Actors part…He’s been compared to channeling Hannibal Ector in the prison scene by some, and for what it is worth my Coworker at work sais she thought he was sexy (as a guy though cant fathom how, I guess his attitude makes up for his complexion, then again if the twilight vampire can be casted for ’50 shades of Grey’ that means pale is sexy these days). As a Villain throughout the movie he brings out the best in pretty much all our heroes, with the Captain in Germany, with Iron Man in Stark Towers, with the Hulk when the hulk ‘smashes him’ (my 5 year old nieces loved that scene) and with his own Brother whose struggle with unconditional love for his brother and hatred of evil continue into this movie though-out it. Supporting Cast: The Supporting cast is easy to defend and promote as they all do there job of bringing out the best and defining our main heroes. (examples have been cut short for character space here). My one example I will cite is Colson who play’s off of every character in the movie in one way or another, like reminding us Steve Rogers is a legend thus not needing any other characters to be a Fanboy of him, and his supposed death unites and even invigorates the avengers themselves. And then of course in this unique movie with multiple leading Heroes, all the leads supported each other in there own unique ways. Plot Quality: Michael Piller, a Star Trek producer, once told a story about how when he wrote an episode about Q pretending to lose his powers and the enterprise going on a wild goose chase he approached Gene Rodenberry with it. Gene Rodenberry asked him what it was about and as he described the premise of Q losing his powers causing the enterprise to go on this wild goose chase Rodenberry stopped him and reasked the question “is this a story about a God that has to learn to be Human, or is it a story about a wild goose chase?” after having to learn to answer that question he rewrote the whole script and it had a renewed focus on its ultimate theme, Q learning what its like to be human, and the goose chase is taken out. Ever since then when new writers come to Piller with there ideas he first asks them ‘what’s it about’ in the same way Gene Rodenberry did. Because if you drop all the entertaining gimmicks and cant answer ‘what’s it about’ it lacks plot quality. I could go one by one in all the films that prequel the Avengers and tell you what they are about and how those themes continue with the character nicely in the Avengers movie, however any one of those themes are not the central plot of this film. The whole point of a Superhero team up while in the past has only been exploited to cause an epic battle in the film, part of what made this unique movie a success is the writer used the multiple heroes theme to stay true to Gene Rodenberry’s principal for story writing, he made it about something. Avengers isn’t just about a bunch of awesome heroes fighting together, its about diverse heroes from radically different backgrounds and personalities who are all damaged in there own unique way learning to work together in spite of there differences and even to need each other, and of course like all films with superhero’s its about heroism. Comic Justice: Between all the Easter eggs within the film and how true the characters are to there comic versions as well as all the advance tech of Shield…there’s little to nothing I can find fault with in the Avengers movie in terms of being true to the comics. Well Hawkeye isn’t wearing his purple costume….though I think we can all guess why, it’s a circus outfit and makes no real since for Hawkeye in the first place, just makes him stand out from his fellow avengers some. The Ultimate Comic Justice is though it literally brought together all the stars from the separate pre-established films like Iron Man and Thor and Captain America, thus creating the feeling of continuity that the Avengers comics gives between all the diverse title comics owned by Marvel. This establishes the gist of my case in SUPPORT of the Avengers. I will specifically focus on my case AGAINST the Dark Knight Rises next round. P.S. on sources, I realize a few of my comments deserve a linked source like Robert Downy Jr. 'octopus' statement or Michal Piller's conversation with Gene Rodenberry, however I learned those from reading an article in a magazine that has been thrown away since last year, and star trek tv special. I'll shall try to find a linkable source however before the debate is over for them.