I call BS on Christianity".

"I thank the opposition for providing enough material to get this debate back on course (its OP), of which I apologize for allowing the way to broad of definition to run amuck." ??? I think, think, I get the gist... " I"ve pointed out many historical discrepancies that exist within the bible, its gods", popular doctrine and the even within the mindset of Christians" Historical discrepancies? No you never? "I will do this also because Dann uses completely undisclosed (example: most believe this, or that) and otherwise uncited sources" ??? You've gone off track again. What are you even talking about?!?! "Dann, good, now let"s look at Christian values concerning race, homosexuality and science, you know the things you DO NOT attest to or believe in and otherwise deny so we can dismiss them".see what I"ve done here? " Yes, I see what you've done here. A political gimmick. You've tried to dodge acknowledging the point I made with a transparent attempt at deflection. "Okay Dann, Adolf Hitler and his Christian final solution".what"s that Dann? Sorry dann but Adolf Hitler was a devote Christian, a member in good standing with the Church until the day he died. Still crying foul? Okay Dann what about the Catholic Church that agreed with and supported his final solution. http://youtu.be...... Ridiculous. This is the ludicrous lows that both atheists and Christians always feel the need to stoop to. "Adolf Hitler was yours ergo you guys are bad" I'm afraid that not the whole world is polarised into the two camps of Christians and Atheists. You, and the Christians you debate with are at the extremities of a big ambivalent mass are a somewhat modern phenomenon. In the middle, not even caring, is where most people are. I'd wager that Hitler was there too. Certainly not a devout Christian. He was a soldier and a politician. "Conclusion, you as a non-believer do NOT hold to the values of Christianity." True, I don't. But that's because living them is difficult and I am just not up to the task. Though I can appreciate the values that Jesus taught and I can possess some of them. http://www.patheos.com... "Dann mentions Moses, Moses never exited and the Great Exodus never happened. Archeology says no, Science says no, and even other Christians and Jews in the citation below say no""and I agree. And as I already stated, the discrepancies in the bible offer no allowances here as well." Audience, look. I've never mentioned Moses at all. This is farcical. I think my opponent had already decided what he was going to argue, regardless of who accepted his challenge, and in Spite of the fact that he issued the challenge stating that he would call BS on anything I said. I'm not saying a fraction of the things he is refuting!!! Refute this: No one can say to you 'here it is' or'there it is' , for the kingdom of heaven is within you. That's what Jesus said when asked about the kingdom of heaven. That implies to me that the kingdom of heaven is a state of being, a feeling, and that it is within us. Now I can't speak for you, but I have known some truly beautiful feelings. I know that, if I am feeling down or bad, that the ability to cast away my demons is inside myself. All I need do is keep watch over my house. That is, I need to be careful of which thoughts and feelings I allow to wander into myself. Refute that. "Extraordinary claims need extraordinary evidence, " What's so extraordinary about the claim that a guy lived once? There nothing extraordinary about that at all. The more extraordinary claim is the one that posits that he didnt exist at all. Ergo, burden of proof is on those who claim that to be the case. And what about Homer? Did he or didnt he exist? Should he be stricken from history? Audience, I am not a Christian. I don't believe Jesus would liked to have seen a church that was built in his name. Even though I'm not a Christian, I do believe that Jesus was a great, great man. What me and my opponent do have in common is that we both dislike the church. I would like you, as the audience, to separate in your own mind Christian values from the innumerable denominations of the 'system' of Christianity.When I say Christian values, I do not mean the values of the church or of anybody else except the man Jesus. Jesus's own values. Values which don't depend on the church that sprang up in his name, but the values that were extant throughout Jesus's own life. That he himself lived by and taught personally. Churches and religions and systems aside, those values stand on their own. Christianity in this regard is most definitely NOT BS. Whenever I have faith, I always feel more engaged with life. Perhaps you do to. Even in the simplest regard. For example, I play pool. When I play pool with faith, I find my pool playing takes on an extra dimension that was hitherto inaccessible. A small matter perhaps, but a self contained Petri dish in which the principle of applied faith and its effect in the real world can be examined. To have faith in these small endeavours may be of a very limited and finite utility, but to have faith in life and existence as a whole? Well, unless you have it you can only imagine. And it is no walk in the park. To be humble. How difficult it can be to be humble. Though with humility comes an inner quiet. And with an inner quiet comes the ability to listen and to see. To perceive, and thus to engage with your fellows and with life on a deeper, more meaningful level. Now it is obviously possible that people would arrive independently at the same conclusions that Jesus arrived at. Does that devalue Jesus in any way? Does it lessen his own insights? I believe it doesn't. For better or worse, Jesus has been the foremost influence on the world since his death. No one person has had any greater influence on the world today. Did the people who, in Jesus name, go on to influence the world always influence it for the better? Of course not. That is demonstrably the case. Did they sometimes wilfully misinterpret the meaning of Jesus teachings? Yes. Again, that is demonstrably the case. Did they embellish and create unnecessary rituals and temples and organisation? Yes. Demonstrably so. Does that alter the values that Jesus taught? No. Jesus taught them, but if certain people didnt learn them, then they had not the eyes to see nor the ears to hear. But that wouldn't stop them claiming Jesus name and acting as they did. The churches et al are an extraneous matter to the values of Jesus. I state that those values are timeless. I state the Jesus was an excellent man. I concur that the churches and denominations and even the religion of Christianity is BS, but Christianity itself is not.