GODS EXSISTENCE

I accept patriots. "If there is no God, no supreme being to judge Hitler then how do we Know what hitler did was wrong?" Since this the essence of your debate, I'll start with it. You're premise is that we need God to tell us what is right from wrong. First, are you referring to specifically the Christian god, or to gods of all religions? I'll take it as the latter for now since you have an issue with atheism. Humans have flaws, but most people don't need to be told that systematic torture and murder is wrong. Although people like Hitler or Stalin do terrible things, I don't think there has ever been a society that has actually condoned murder. Even these tyrants didn't say "murder is okay", they said "murder of these people is okay" and tried to justify their atrocities. Christian Churches have done the same things in the past; the Spanish Inquisition killed many people and justified saying that they were ungodly and deserved it. People have an aversion to killing and must be convinced into it; that is the only way psychopaths like Hitler were able to do what they did. It should also be noted that even so, he didn't convince a lot of people in the scheme of things. I don't think the Bible ever mentions genocide directly. The ten commandments say "do not murder", but again, the Church has murdered based on prejudice and racism. We know this is wrong because it is unfair and illogical: there has never been any evidence that particular group of people is inferior based on race, ethnicity, ect. Again, I don't recall the Bible ever addressing this directly; humans know this on their own. "It was STALLENS concious that had him kill a reporter for spelling his name wrong in the news paper. It was HITLERS conciouse that told him it was ok to kill 6,000,000 jews. So clearly we cant base it off our conciouse or the most powerful man at the time. We have to base it off a Supreme being some one who has dominion over all creatures." Hitler and Stalin were sociopaths. The average person's conscious doesn't allow them to kill randomly. You think that they did those things because they didn't believe in God, but it was because they were crazy and power hungry. God is not essential for morality. And we shouldn't base our morality off who is in power, but that doesn't prove that we have to base it on religion. "He asked Christopher hitchens the very Question i am about to ask you and if you ask any atheist this question all they do is avoid the question and start blaming Christians for the stuff they did in the past or the real stupid ones will just sit there an twidle there thumbs." Political debates are notorious for being like this. I've watched debates where all the Christians do is blame atheists; but these leaders don't all speak for the masses. "Do you see how chotic it would be if there was no God. I mean there would alwys be 2 rites to 1 problem and thats what atheism does" Even if everyone in the world was Christian, you wouldn't stop morality from being debated. Think about the Church throughout history: in the 1500s it was fine to kill and enslave someone who wasn't white, but it certainly isn't now. It's impossible to get everyone on the same moral page; there are always arguments. You blame atheism for this but it's human nature.