Whitebeard vs. Madara

Since Con has skillfully implemented his rebuttals in his arguments, I will address his contentions to cover everything. R1) Chakra "Whitebeard would probably get tired during the battle before Madara would." The only justification that my opponent provides for this statement is that "Whitebeard is getting old" and "Madara's chakra is incredibly strong"; however, all of the feats I have provided were when WB was old, and they surpass anything Madara has demonstrated. Unless my opponent can provide better feats of endurance and durability, this is simply a baseless claim. He further sites a manga page where WB was stabbed by Squardo, yet Marco explicitly states that the reason WB was able to get hit by Squardo was because of his "worsening condition," yet rule 1 states that both characters will be at full health. "Being a sensor type, he can detect a person's identity, abilities, and next move (by noticing changes in their chakra)." Whitebeard possesses no chakra and only possesses haki; thus, Madara will not be able to gauge WB's abilities based off his chakra, as he has none. My opponent may argue that all living beings have chakra; however, such a "law" is only applicable to its own universe and is not applicable to a completely different universe such as One Piece. Furthermore, no one had chakra until Hagoromo Otsutsuki was born. He was the first human to possess chakra, and he then spread it through the lands, allowing everyone to possess the power, but only did this in the Naruto universe [1]. R2) Martial Arts "[Madara is] able to quickly and effectively defeat hundreds of relatively powerful enemies without displaying ... fatigue." While impressive, this pales in comparison to the endurance feats that WB has shown. If my opponent is not satisfied, however, then I can easily provide other instances in which WB fights thousands of enemies of higher caliber, sending them all flying with simply strokes from his bisento [3]. “Madara's skill level in Taijutsu also displays his incredible speed an agility, which are two traits that Whitebeard has never displayed throughout any of his fights.” It is a common misconception that WB is slow simply because he is big, when in fact he has shown impressive feats of speed. He was able to get behind Akainu without anyone in the war noticing, despite the fact that Marines were constantly surrounding him and following his movements due to his large size and power [4]. Taking into consideration that Akainu is an admiral level fighter with precognition, this is a very impressive feat. WB was also able to intercept Kizaru as he was about to chase after Luffy [5]. It should be noted that Kizaru was able to previously turn into light faster than Luffy could react while he was in Gear Second, meaning WB’s movement and reaction speeds are faster than that of Luffy (which was already obvious). During Skypiea, Luffy was able to react to and kick lightning away without the aid of Gear Second [6]. Consequentially, WB can clearly move faster than the speed of lightning, which is far faster than anything Madara has demonstrated. “[Madara was] able to inflict significant damage on demons as strong as the Ten-Tails with them.” The source Con provides does not prove this. It just shows the second Hokage cutting roots of a giant tree. R3) Jutsu -- Elemental Jutsu: Any such jutsu should be easily destroyed by WB’s quakes. -- Genjutsu: This jutsu works by manipulating the flow of chakra in the victim’s brain, allowing the user to control their five senses; however, it has been proven that WB has no chakra to control. Genjutsu will not work. -- Levitation: It has been proven that WB is capable of attacking projectiles in the air in round 2, where I gave a scan of WB destroying Aokiji’s ice projectiles. -- Barriers: WB’s immeasurable strength can easily destroy any barriers Madara creates. -- Clones: Madara can create clones, but it is false that each are as powerful as him, as he must distribute his chakra among them. The more chakra he distributes, the more powerful the clone. WB can easily use his quakes to attack in all directions, and since clones typically have less durability than the original user, they will easily be destroyed by WB’s incredible strength. -- Sharingan: Madara has lost Sharingan and only has Rinnegan, and considering the fact that Madara’s sensing abilities will not work, his powers pale in comparison to observation haki. I will still address Con’s arguments, however. 1. Susano’o: My opponent shows Madara blocking a biju bomb; however, he was not simply using his Susano’o, but also the power of the Kyuubi to block the bomb (shown on the next page of the source). This is not an accurate representation of the Susano’o’s true power. Furthermore, a biju bomb, which has been shown to destroy mountains, still does not compare to WB’s strength. After all, WB can destroy entire islands and likely continents, which dwarfs anything a biju bomb has shown. 2. Amaterasu: WB is rather fast and can dodge any attacks Madara has to throw at him. He also has pre-cognition, which will allow him to predict and react to Amaterasu. Amaterasu takes a while to burn opponents and is not as hot as Akainu’s magma, which fried all of WB’s internal organs, yet did not put him down. Akainu was able to evaporate an iceberg about the same size as Marine HQ in less than a second [7]. Amaterasu, on the other hand, burns slowly, shown when Karin was on fire for quite a while, but sustained no significant damage. When Itachi released it on the forest during his fight with Sasuke, the trees did not burn down completely and were still there when Naruto had arrived [8] [9]. --Rinnegan: Summoning demons would be against rule 5. Madara has no chakra to absorb from WB, so this ability is also irrelevant. I ask my opponent to provide evidence that Rinnegan gives people the ability to perform mind reading and use repulsive and attractive forces. Only Pain has shown the latter. R5) Regeneration The feat of regeneration Con provides is negligible, as Madara only recovered from a simple stab wound in the arm. This is not comparable, in any way, to WB’s strength. It would be a no-limits fallacy to say that Madara can regenerate from anything. My opponent must provide a feat of regeneration that would allow Madara to recover from WB’s massive strength. R6) Intelligence I agree that Madara is smart enough to create elaborate plans, but the intelligence he has shown in battle is negligible. Con provides a source with Madara destroying the ground by firing biju bombs in Hashirama’s direction and calls it “clever battle field manipulation.” Repeatedly spamming the same attack is hardly a clever battle tactic. WB, on the other hand, has demonstrated actual in-battle tactical knowledge and is on-par with Sengoku’s intelligence. He managed to get by the Marine’s defenses, appearing in a place no one expected and then using it to his advantage [10]. He was also able to predict and react accordingly to Sengoku’s battle plans, and was clever enough to hide a ship at the bottom of the ocean, and only reveal it when the time was right [11]. Conclusion: - Sensory type abilities and genjutsus will not work on WB, as he does not have chakra, but haki will work - WB is superior to Madara in every physical aspect (speed, strength, durability) - WB has displayed intellectual prowess in battle superior to that of Madara Good luck to Con. Sources: [1] http://naruto.wikia.com... [2] http://www.onepiecebay.net... [3] http://www.onepiecebay.net... [4] http://www.onepiecebay.net... [5] http://www.onepiecebay.net... [6] http://www.onepiecebay.net... [7] http://www.onepiecebay.net... [8] http://narutobase.net... [9] http://narutobase.net... [10] http://www.onepiecebay.net... [11] http://www.onepiecebay.net...