Lying

If I am correct, my opponent's proposition is that "lying is not a bad thing." This can be rather confusing so I'm clearing it up now: I am countering that with the contention that "lying is bad most of the time." Pro's first sentences threw even me off a bit here but I think it's a minor problem to this debate that we can adjust. :D Pro said "...I agree that it's ok to lie at times..." Alright, but Pro is supposed to be arguing that "all lying is not a bad thing," not just "at times," is that correct? This round made the debate more interesting. Hey, thanks pro for your honesty when explaining a story that puts you in a bad light! I admire that of you! Pro said "I like have been in situations where I had to "cover someone" literally lie to keep them out of trouble. Sometimes when people tell the truth they become a snitch." In context, he was explaining how "sometimes you have no choice." But this doesn't make sense, because we can easily prove that for every thing we do we have some choice. The example Pro gave was not of him being physically forced to lie, but it was instead him choosing to lie FOR HIS OWN GOOD. This is where is gets tricky, because although it is sometimes ok to lie for your own good, it is usually wrong Let's look at the cycle of sinning. First, a definition. http://www.thefreedictionary.com... Secondly, you must know that we all have transgressions against the moral so-called law because it is impossible to be absolutely perfect. Agreed? Now if we do one sin, will another sin make it better? So since we are talking about the Bible, I'll point out that it says do not get drunk and do "make out" for lack of a better term when you are outside of marriage. You wonder why you don't want your family to know about your partying, well its because they don't want you to do it. They don't want you to do it because it's not safe, in a way it's unruly (no offense) and in the end it all comes down to being a sin. So, when your cousins told the truth about you, they were teaching you a lesson about what's right and what's wrong. It could've been worse: what if your cousins lied about the whole thing, but then someone found you out a different way? They would've been extra mad and you would've been even more embarrassed. Telling the truth is not always snitching, and it definitely doesn't always associate with slandering one another either. James 4:11 says: Brothers, do not slander one another. Anyone who speaks against his brother or judges him speaks against the law and judges it. Your cousins weren't speaking against you, they were actually bringing the "bad" things you did into "the light" and confessing. Now it's over, now you know not to tell them things, but you should forgive them because is it really that big of a deal that they told the truth? And also, they probably didn't think it would hurt you so much to say what they said. I understand where you're coming from. in the past, I have lied in order not to waste time. I admit, that's not what I should've done, since I ended up feeling guilty by lying. That's where you (pro) and I are different: you feel guilty when you tell the truth, I feel guilty when I lie. I can't say which one is better for their own good, but I can try to argue that mine is more logical. A lot of times lying can bring down ANOTHER person's ego in order to bring mine up, while in other cases lying can make others feel bad because they know you don't trust them or something. Lying is negative because when you do so, you risk the victim finding out about your lie, and this risks a friendship or worse. People tend to forgive when your honest more than when you tell a lie. That's why telling the truth is more logical.