The perfection of God

Wow! Excellent comments. Well, let me give some understanding to what I wanted to debate about. I wanted to indeed debate the perfection of God. I was only stating that in order to debate the perfection of God we would then have to debate the reality of God, and His word. This is because in order to argue a problem or person is to admit that He exists and then if He exists then to what do we meausure Him. So, really our debate would have to be three fold that was all I was saying. Well, I will respond to your comments that you have made thus far. 1.You stated the Bible is not the only thing to which we can measure God by. Well, I have to disagree with you. God's ability, and characteristics are in the Bible and whatever we have perceived here on earth through situations and circumstances are only are own opinions and perceptions of God. The only way to really know what He is like is to read the Bible and talk to Him. Well, not everyone talks to Him or reads the Bible because they either don't believe in Him or they don't have a relationship with Him i.e. salvation. So, therefore all we are really left with are ideals or perceptions which are often times false because humans are fallible. Which in my own perception through what I have experienced thus far is farely negative, although there is much good that happens also. I think then in order to get all the facts about a person you would have to get to know them. I am not saying you can know everything about God and know why He does the things He does but I am saying you can get a glimpse through His word and through life in general. Because He is indeed involved with the things of men. 2. Evil. What a hard topic to discuss. In order to discuss evil we would then have to determine what is good. Well, if we are arguing that God is perfect then He would be what I measure good up to. God in His infinite wisdom created everything both heavens and the earth. He at some point created angels, heavenly beings and the like. Lucifer who was the head angel over worship became so consumed by his own beauty that he wanted to raise himself above God and thus was thrown out of heaven along with 1/3 of the angels. Thus evil came to the earth through him. Why did God not stop this and just kill Lucifer off since He is all powerful. Because God wanted relationship. So, He created man and in order for God to have a relationship with man He had to give man a choice. Thus allowing Lucifer to tempt the woman, this is where sin came into the world. Well, then why would God at this point just kill everyone off. Because He still wants relationship. How can light exist at the same time as darkness? It can't just like God cannot coexist with evil. He had to restore this relationship with man through His only perfect son Jesus who died on the cross. His blood is what makes us clean, no longer was the blood of animals required. Now we could just go to God again through His Son. This is all about love. He wants relationship with us, not based on if life is good or if we get everything from Him that we ask for. He wants to know we love Him for Him. If you were inlove with someone wouldn't you want her to love you for you or what you could do for her or if you always let her do whatever you wanted. You also wouldn't know her devotion for you if you forced her to love you. Thus she would then have a choice to accept your love and devotion or choose someone else. Everyone gets a choice. Evil has to be here until the appointed time of the end. Why, in order that people will continue to get a choice. God, does give us boundaries in His word in order to protect. There are hurts we can protect ourselves from but we cannot always protect ourselves from robbers, murderers, and rapists. Because like I already established there still has to be a choice to do evil. But, this one thing I know is that I can always see God but I have to choose to. My choice then is will I ask for His help, will I wait to see what He might do or will I choose to be mad and hate Him. 3. Lastly, in order to discuss the validity of His word based on the fact that man wrote it would be wrong. It was divinely inspired by the Holy Spirit. It had to go through an extensive editing process because it was the word of God and nothing fallible could be in it and God chose man to be the mail carrier to us. There is always going to be the element of belief. We have to trust that what is said is truth. Otherwise then it would be forced knowledge and we would not get a choice. The argument that it could have been manipulated is silly, because if God was perfect don't you think He probably picked people that were going to listen to Him and write what He said. There was a lot of writings and letters that were not put in because the validity of it had to be tested. Thus, God left His defense to us so we could choose. I choose to believe the Bible because it has been everything to me and I have found it to be true and relevant every time.