Atheism vs Christianity : Does God exist

Firstly, allow me to apologize for not giving some clarity to my previous post. I realize now that some of what I said could be confused. I acknowledged the first round was merely acceptance, and I didn't start formulating my argument. I was just questioning the God in which we were debating. Christians have many different ideas of "God", and rightfully so. The God I'm going to assume you're talking of is the archetypal Evangelical idea, ie the "Bearded Man in the Sky." According to my definitions, this would make him a tangible, all-powerful being thought of as being 3 different deities (The Father (Yahweh), the Son (Jesus), and the Holy Spirit (Nameless, often represented by a dove). I would like to first outline my argument, each part will be a different paragraph, so one could use this outline as a "Table of Contents." 1. Cleaning out the Inaccuracies of The Christian God. a. Do Christians Believe God Created the Universe? b. Does Evolution discount God? c. Is the Bible literal? 2. Does God Need Proof to exist? a. Does Proof=Existence? b. Is there Empirical evidence to support/suggest God's existence? c. If not, what non-empirical evidence suggest's God's existence? 3. What would be the meaning of God's existence? a. The Universe and the Existence of "Meaning" b. Why God is chaotic 4. Conclusion Alright, let's begin. 1. Cleaning out inaccuracies. The universe is brilliant. There are no words to describe how truly amazing a place the universe is. It's expansiveness and diversity boggle the human mind and entrall the imagination. But, how could such a universe get here? Did someone create it? For years, that answer has been a resounding No, in most religious teachings of creation. Christianity is no different. According to the Creation Book of Genesis, in the Christian Bible, "In the beginning God created the Heaven and the Earth. And the Earth was without form and void, and the darkness was upon the face of deep. And the face of God moved upon the face of the waters." Before God began creation, the Earth was without form and void. If God had created the Universe, why would the Earth be formless? Why would it be void? And more importantly, why would there be waters for God to move upon? Why, if he was the creator, did the Earth not spawn, perfect and created? God did not create the universe, he merely brought order to it. With this, it makes sense that God could very well have been created by the Big Bang. According to the Christian definition, God is not the creation of the Universe, but the bringer of order to it. Therefore, one cannot use the origins of the universe as proof against God. The second incorrect argument given against God is the argument that evolution shows that life does not need a creator, but can occur randomly. While this is true, the theory of evolution does not discount notions of a God. The Bible is very vague about how God created life on Earth, merely stating that he did "create it". Much like the origins of the universe, he did not directly create it, but brought order to it. That order? Evolution. Evolution is compatible with the Christian notion of a God, as Evolution could have very well been the vehicle God used to bring about life on Earth. God created life in 6 days, but a definition of a day is not given by the bible. A day could've been billions of years. The Bible does not discount evolution, therefore, God does not discount evolution. The two are not mutually exclusive, so it is impossible to discount the Christian God with evolution. The third incorrect arguent given against God is that the Bible is literal, and that the events in the Bible could not have transpired, because they are unrealistic (ie, all the stars joining together in Jesus' birth). The Bible never attests to it's own literalness, and many of it's stories are written as parables, or allegories. Events that many claim prove the Bible, and by extension God, to be false are simply figurative, meant to teach a lesson through means of a story. Therefore, one cannot use the argument that the Bible is ridiculous in it's stories to disprove God. 2.The Need of Proof Now that we have dispelled some common arguments as to why God cannot exist, let us begin to argue why he can. One common belief held by those who reject God is that for God to exist, we would need verifiable proof of his existence. This statement is simply inaccurate. Proof, in human eyes, does not equate to existence. For instance, before the Renaissance, we had no proof that atoms or particles at that level existed. Does that mean that they did not exist? No, of course not. It just means that we did not yet have the ability to prove the existence. Phenomena occur like that today, especially in the realms of the mind. People who have died and been resuscitated often have "Near Death Experiences", where they feel as though they are being lifted out of their body, and transported to a different world, one they believe to be the afterlife. There is little evidence to suggest an afterlife is true. Empirical evidence, anyway. However, millions have had these experiences, as many as 1 in 10 adults in America, and will attest to their existence. At some point, we may be able to experiment with death and resuscitation to the point where we can understand this phenomena. And, because we already have experienced it on a mental level, physically, we could prove it. Millions of people have experienced God in their lives. It is a phenomena that is, as of now, unproven. Does that mean we will never prove it? Absolutely not. Proof can, and probably will, come later. But right now, existence is probable, due to the vast numbers of people who claim to have experienced him. Is there any empirical evidence to support the existence of God? No, there is not. We cannot see him, run any tests on him, or scientifically verify him (yet, anyway). This is absolutely true, and cannot be argued. However, there is still non-empirical evidence which hints towards the existence of a God. The experiences of millions around the world, and the experiences of people since the beginning of time, hint that there is something occurring here that we cannot understand. As I said before, we cannot yet prove it, but the meter of discovery is pushed from possibility to probability by these experiences. It is a phenomena we simply cannot ignore, and to do so is unscientific and illogical. 3. What would be the point of God? Is there a point to God? To create the universe? Why? These questions can go on in an infinite loop and never end. The meaning of God cannot be argued, as God himself cannot be understood (yet). However, does God need meaning to exist? No, I say, he does not. "Meaning" itself is a human concept, and cannot be attributed to things currently outside of the human sphere of understanding. To argue that God has no meaning and cannot exist is illogical, and far overdone. God does not need meaning to exist. God himself, is, as described by Christianity, chaotic. The blunder of emotions and actions he takes has no set pattern, no straight path. He goes from killing millions in a flood to sacrificing his son to save humanity. He is enraged, enlightened. He is the hope of the world and the father of Lucifer. He is everything and every aspect. Because of his chaotic nature, God is chaos. Chaos is verifiable, and occurs at points in the universe. But, so does order. It is this balance that allows the universe to exist, as too much order would result in no expansion and too much chaos would result in the complete annihilation of any form of buildup. This balance is God himself, it is the Christian conception of God. And, there is no denying that existence. Conclusion In conclusion, one cannot use a lack of proof or universal origin to write off God. The experience of millions around the world suggests that he is not only possible, but probable.