Does God Exist? The proposition is that NO Christian God exists.

Welcome back pro, glad to see your able to continue with this debate. "But now that I've read the whole script so far, I do not see how your last argument responded in any way to my previous argument; to me, they bared little correlation." First of all, I don't see how you could make this statement when in your previous argument you went the length and breight to try and prove the theologlcal argument was pointless due to evolution making it so. Of course this is nonesense because as we have seen evolution takes more faith to except as truth than anything else. Was it not you who said it was pointless to get in to discussion over evolution? Yet it was you who used it as the pillar of your argument against the Existance of God. So just to clarify for all, my last argument responded in every way to your previous argument. Admittingly, There are some points of your arguments as a whole that still need to be addressed. Just as well ive this and another round to go then hey! Is there Evidence for God on a par with Gravity? Ok! So we all know gravity is true! Or I could get really flakey and say I don't believe in gravity. Which of course would be outragous wouldn't it? "Newton's law of gravity defines the attractive force between all objects that possess mass. " We can't see gravity, we can't touch gravity. It's invisable. Or more correctly, it's a force. So we know it's there. When we trip, we fall! it's as simple as that! So we experience, or observe it to know it is true. Somebody who's completely blind and paralised from head to toe may have a hard time accepting it, if you know what I mean! What if it wasn't gravity verses the Existance of God! But what if within gravity and how it operates lies strong evidence in God Existance as sole creater of this universe? Gravity is one of the four known fundamental forces of the universe. And of those four it's still the least understood. It's known as "the mystery force" DESIGNER GRAVITY The force F between two masses m1 and m2, when separated by a distance r, can be written as F = (G m1 m2)/r 2 Where G is the gravitational constant, first measured by Henry Cavendish in 1798.1 This equation shows that gravity decreases as the separation distance, r, between two objects becomes large but never quite reaches zero. The inverse-square nature of this equation is intriguing. After all, there is no essential reason why gravity should behave in this way. In a chance, evolving universe, some random exponent like r1.97 or r2.3 would seem much more likely. However, precise measurements have shown an exact exponent out to at least 5 decimal places, 2.00000. As one researcher put it, this result seems ‘just a little too neat.'2 We may conclude that the gravity force shows precise, created design. Actually, if the exponent deviated just slightly from exactly 2, planet orbits and the entire universe would become unstable. http://www.answersingenesis.org... Two Bible references are helpful in considering the nature of gravity and physical science in general. First, Colossians 1:17 explains that Christ is before all things, and by Him all things consist. The Greek verb for consist (sunistao) means to cohere, preserve, or hold together. Extrabiblical Greek use of this word pictures a container holding water within itself. The word is used in Colossians in the perfect tense, which normally implies a present continuing state arising from a completed past action. One physical mechanism used is obviously gravity, established by the Creator and still maintained without flaw today. Consider the alternative; if gravity ceased for one moment, instant chaos surely would result. All heavenly objects, including the earth, moon and stars, would no longer hold together. Everything would immediately disintegrate into small fragments. A second reference, Hebrews 1:3, declares that Christ upholds all things by the word of His power. Uphold (phero) again describes the sustaining or maintaining of all things, including gravity. The word uphold in this verse means much more than simply supporting a weight. It includes control of all the ongoing motions and changes within the universe. This infinite task is managed by the Lord's almighty Word, whereby the universe itself was first called into being. Gravity, the ‘mystery force', which is poorly understood after nearly four centuries of research, is one of the manifestations of this awesome divine upholding. http://www.answersingenesis.org... "why your positive argument for God's existence does not commit the 'God of the Gaps' fallacy" "God of the Gaps is the method of claiming God (or gods) exists by pointing to gaps in our present knowledge of how things work. For example, ancient Scandinavians who did not know what caused thunder and lightning chose to see them as evidence for their own chief deity, Thor, driving his chariot through the sky and hammering with Miolnir. Present-day creationists and IDists employ the same method by claiming that our gaps in the knowledge of abiogenesis and evolution mean that an intelligent designer must have been involved." http://wiki.cotch.net... God of the Gaps methodoligy is certainly not what I'm doing here. I'm not saying because we don't understand fully or have all the answers to everything that we must except the Creator. I'm saying that the evidence looked at honestly with an open heart points to the Creator. Not away from Him. "For since the creation of the world his invisible attributes-his eternal power and divine nature-have been understood and observed by what he made, so that people are without excuse." Rom 3:20 The universe around us. The Earth we live on. The maths involved to make it all work. The precision and acurracy in it all from Galaxies right down to the genetic make-up of us all, to the very way atoms interact with each-other. It all points to DESIGN not ACCIDENT. "that the 'sky-hook' solution - God, is better than the 'crane' solution - evolution." "Instead of a massive hand or sky-hook coming out of the sky, a crane, from earth has, step by step, moved the object to its high place" This is how you described evolution, as a crane from earth step by step moving an object to it's high place. The crane that is reffered to here is none other than random chance. In light of the make up of the universe and molecular structure. The probability of this occuring is madness. "Evolution needs more time than the history of the universe, or even millions upon billions upon trillions of universes have to offer - on average. How high do the odds have to go before we suspect that all this just isn't the result of any non-deliberate process? How many times would the same person be able to win the Lottery in a row before one could reasonably suspect the possibility of deliberate cheating?"www.detectingdesign.com/galactosidaseevolution.html