Christopher Handley Should Be Punished by the US Government For Owning Loli Doujins

This debate will be formatted using my new Greasemonkey script. I would suggest my opponent check out this thread on the Debate.org forums for more information: http://www.debate.org... [quote]This is outside the realms of the debate. I find it next to impossibile[b](sic)[/b] to have a meaningful debate based upon high pathetical theories and falacies.[/quote] I agree to drop this point. I was out of line and wrote it in the heat of the moment. [quote]If we don't abide by the laws of our country, or seek reform, then we are not solving anything.[/quote] This debate is me [i]"seeking reform"[/i]. I certainly don't have any major power in the real world but arguing the issue with others over the internet could be beneficial for change. [quote]he has pleaded guilty and deserving of punishment. Guilty of breaking the law.[/quote] Again, I did not want to debate whether the law was broken but rather if the law should exist or not. If I were to entertain your point I would argue that because there hasn't been a case like this Christopher Handley's lawyers probably suggested he take a plea bargain not because he really should be punished but because they probably didn't want to defend this type of case due to its nature. [quote]You are attempting to influence the public into breaking the law. That's also agenst[b](sic)[/b] it. That's enabling.[/quote] No it's not. [quote][color=blue]Even in cases where speech encourages illegal violence, instances of incitement qualify as criminal only if the threat of violence is imminent.[/color][/quote] [u]Source 1[/u]: http://en.wikipedia.org... [u]Source 2[/u] http://www.nytimes.com... Even if my opponent can find specific laws about enabling, like I said this debate it not about current legality, but how things should be. I also fail to see how drawn pictures of sex with children enables people to go out and do just that. If a person is deranged enough to physically harm a child though sexual means they do not need a guide on how to do it as that stuff come natural (sex). [quote]If it is a false reality, it isn't possible. Therefore there is no way they can do that.[/quote] Have you ever heard of a movie? It is possible to show things in movies that are not possible. Do you take live action movies like Transformers and Star Trek as reality? [quote]Besides, they don't promote something illegal.[/quote] Many many many movies show illegal activities and do not say outright that one shouldn't do them. If a movie were to do that it would take away from the immersion. Take for example the movie [i]The Bourne Identity[/i]. Tons of people are killed in that movie (murder is a very illegal act) and not once does Matt Damon stop, stare at the screen, and say [i]"hey people, killing is illegal, don't do it."[/i] In fact something like that is never even hinted at in the movie. Would my opponent say we should ban the Bourne movies? [quote]It is illegal, unless it's an informative video showing the negative effects of it.[/quote] No, they're not illegal. Take for example the movie [i]Superbad[/i]. The kids in that movie are shown getting wasted and having a good time. They hang out with corrupted cops and drink while destroying a cop car. They also get fake IDs and buy alcohol even though they are underage. Later that same night they get wasted at a party. No where during the movie was I even remotely told that drinking is bad. I wasn't informed of anything, I was entertained like I should have been. Did I go out and do all of those illegal activities afterward? No. [quote]I was talking about drawing pleasure from the sexual abuse of a child.[/quote] You're forgetting the part where no real child is harmed. [quote]it's sick, it's wrong[/quote] Perhaps to you. Other people have different tastes. Banning something on your opinion is not okay. in fact even if the majority dislike something it's still not okay to ban it if it's not harming or infringing on anyone's rights. [quote]It often goes hand in hand with a mental illness.[/quote] So what if it does? It doesn't change the fact that Christopher Handley never physically or mentally harmed anyone. Perhaps he mentally harmed himself, but the last time I checked he owned himself so he should be able to do that. [quote]It is banned because it promotes the abuse of children in the form of art.[/quote] How does it promote the act of physically harming a real child? I've read many loli hentai doujins have yet to come across one that outright says I should harm a real child. In fact I've seen the exact opposite. In a popular loli doujin magazine called [i]Comic LO[/i] they very frequently promote the exact opposite of what my opponent talks about. I will now present my opponent with several pages from a real loli hentai doujin (they contain no nudity, and are just informative.) Some of them are translated, if not I will provide the translation. [i]Stop! Don't touch[/i] http://img300.imageshack.us... [i]Please by no means touch any children.[/i] http://img300.imageshack.us... [i]I'm a lolicon. I love children. So I won't lay a hand on them.[/i] http://img300.imageshack.us... [i]We're serious when we say we want to see an end to all sex crimes against children.[/i] http://img300.imageshack.us... [i]It's summer, so be sure to masturbate properly![/i] http://img371.imageshack.us... The next one is fully translated and I will just let my opponent read it: http://img526.imageshack.us... As you can see one of the most popular lolicon magazines actually promotes not touching and thinking about real little girls. I would also ask my opponent to look at this comparison picture: http://img526.imageshack.us... As you can see the 3D girl really looks nothing like her 2D counterpart. It could be argued that most lolicons are attracted to the art style and wouldn't even find real 3D girls to be attractive at all. This is true in my case, because I do not find real child model pictures to be arousing. This debate will be formatted using my new Greasemonkey script. I would suggest my opponent check out this thread on the Debate.org forums for more information: http://www.debate.org...