religion (be it Christianity, Islam or Judaism) is immoral

Regarding evolution, though this is strictly a debate about whether religion is moral or not, I feel obliged to address my opponent. Evolution is, at least nominally, not proven- it is a theory. At the moment evolution is confirmed beyond reasonable doubt with what you rightly said, 'mounds of evidence'- it is even happening in the world of bacteria as we've seen with MRSA and other superbugs due to selective pressure (not the 'work of the devil'). Some say it should not be taught in school because it is not proven, but nor is the theory of gravitation, electromagnetism, special relativity and many other fields of physics, chemistry or biology complete. Moreover my AQA textbooks don't seem to say anything about the 'truth' in evolution- just like all scientific ideas, confirmed. I'm sorry if you have the impression that we evolutionists say it is proven, still if you can't teach what is not proven then don't bother teaching anything. Now onto morality. You said, 'Atheists may act moral but if they do not know Jesus than their life is worthless '. Let me rephrase that for you- 'How can the Korean people live without our Great Leader Kim Il Sung and Dear Leader Kim Jong Il? How can we be without the loving guidance of our brilliant leaders and the Party?' It is truly totalitarian to say that we owe our life to one man (or a supreme being in the heavens)- if we have to thank the book to be moral, to be health, to be whatever, then our lives are truly worthless- because it is God who put it there, not our own work. To be honest, in regard to this point, when my Catholic aunt pray and thank God for all her meals, I was so tempted to say it was her hard work that earned her daily bread not prayer. If for the sake of argument God will take away your food if you don't pray, then he is nothing better than Kim Jong Il. So what is the secular or atheist morality? We (I have to side with the atheist on this side) believe that we are moral because it is in our interest and in our nature to be moral- to not kill, steal, honour our neighbours etc. On the other hand, having Ten Commandments whose first four points are more to do with praising the celestial Great Leader than to treat your neighbours properly is utmost immoral. And what about 'thou shalt not kill/murder (depending on the translation)' and 'thou shalt not steal'? It is condescending and insulting to human beings to constantly have to remind them of that, as if they don't know. It is also ironic that in Exodus 32:28, 'The Levites obeyed Moses' command, and about 3,000 people died that day.' The semi-full story goes something like this: "27 He said to them, "Thus says the LORD, the God of Israel, 'Every man of you put his sword upon his thigh, and go back and forth from gate to gate in the camp, and kill every man his brother, and every man his friend, and every man his neighbour.'" 28 So the sons of Levi did as Moses instructed, and about three thousand men of the people fell that day. 29 Then Moses said, "Dedicate yourselves today to the LORD-- for every man has been against his son and against his brother-- in order that He may bestow a blessing upon you today." Just how totalitarian is that? Obey or die. It is not the only part that's a bit like that- a large proportion of the Old Testament involves genocide and murder- how the Lord's own tribe (i.e. the chosen race) triumphs over the others. OK, the Jews suffered at the hands of the Egyptians, but Angel of Death killing every first born child as the 'grand finale' to the ten plagues? I'm sorry, but today that would be called genocide. What is religion? 'the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods.' or more commonly, the word faith is thrown in as well. What is faith? It is 'complete trust or confidence in someone or something.' Tell me if I am wrong, but you believe the Bible to be absolutely true right? To believe in an absolute truth or complete trust is essentially totalitarianism- that an unalterable authority cannot be contradicted. You say it's not shoving down your throat, but really that claim is bogus. Firm conviction in faith usually (though by no means always) arise from childhood indoctrination or authoritative coercion. If you want to know what is like to worship and thank a god all day long for fictious achievements, even though it might not be a Christian God, I'd recommend a country called North Korea. I know you as all Christians want to do what you think is good (according the Jesus)- but that is totalitarianism- a conviction in an absolute truth, the obedience to an absolute authority who constant put you under surveillance and threaten you with labour camp of Hell if you dissent against him. Totalitarians always want to do good, they are well meaning idealistic individuals- but their good is different to others so they require constant denunciation of the opponents and if they control the state, repression. 'we all need to accept Jesus and believe in our hearts that Jesus is Lord and Creator of all, as earthly acts do not matter as much as the decision between Heaven and Hell.' That is a rather bold assertion(basically 'just believe it'). Let me change that a bit for you we all need to accept Kim Il Sung and believe in our hearts that in the Great Leader and Father of the DPRK, those who refuse his generosity will be punished (with Yodok). Earth acts do not matter means the believe in transcendence to the so-called 'greater good'. Finally, it is not love to threaten people with hell (the concept of which is disputed). To love and to fear, to believe in God's wrath and God's love is basically double think. Just to close off this round, what do doctrinaire Christians do? Blow up abortion clinics because they think that abortion is killing according to their interpretation of the Bible. What do doctrinaire Muslims do? 9/11 and galore. Doctrinaire atheists? No such thing and 'militant' atheists like Richard Dawkins write a book. I know you want to talk about Stalin and the 'godless reds', I'll come onto that the next round. I'm not a Communist by the way, it's just I like that name.