goku vs superman goku stomps mad carzy

using the Pre-Crisis Superman I like this gives me a challenge and I hope I have a good opponent now I will state why goku would win (and note the opponent did not show any links to superman ability's so I will take his word) better combat ability has training in alien fighting stiles and knowledge techniques that pass superman born powers as well and a disk that could cut superman in have if made contact greater destructive power has been shown to have the power to blow up moons planets and cell and gohan solar system busting attacks( buu and billis Galaxy's busting attacks) zenkai make goku become stronger after every battle so the more goku fights superman the stronger he will become speed massive faster than light speed goku has been show to movie faster than light in dragon ball and in dbz has instant transmission and be any were in a instant even faster than light (can telleport superman to a red sun) bills and wiss going across the galaxy in minuets now -Solar-Powered: Superman draws his power from the sun, a yellow star, which grants him his inhuman abilities. The closer Superman gets to the sun, the stronger he becomes. If, say, he were to go inside the sun, his power would grow exponentially, allowing him to effortlessly move planets with either hand. goku can also draw power from the sun death battle did state this were to go inside the sun, his power would grow exponentially, allowing him to effortlessly move planets with either hand. yes he could but never has Superman can move planets and moons" Superman has never moved a planet or a moon without aid. He has failed to move moons with the same mass or even lower by himself. - Failed to stop a moon even with several Kryptonians helping him. http://img832.imageshack.us... http://img442.imageshack.us... http://img812.imageshack.us... -Stuggling to pull the moon even with the aid of Wonder Woman, Green Lantern and a whole Team of magic users. http://imageshack.us... http://imageshack.us... http://imageshack.us... After being powered by Strange Visitor and a sundip he struggled moving Warworld which is only the size of Pluto (smaller than Earths moon). Brainiac even states Kal normally wouldn't have the strength to move that. http://imageshack.us... http://imageshack.us... http://imageshack.us... http://imageshack.us... The most popular scan which looks like it is depicted as Superman moving 1/3 of the Earth. This however is completely out of context. Superman, Wonder Woman, and Martian Manhunter failed to move the Earth it was actually Kyle who moved it with help. Taken from: JLA 75 http://imageshack.us... http://imageshack.us... -Super Strength: Within the comic books, Superman is seen moving mountains, pulling planets, bending steel, etc. This makes him the strongest being in the DC universe. Of course, Superman's power does not stop there. When in direct contact with vast amounts of yellow sunlight (probably within the confines of outer space) his strength grows to incalculable levels, so much so that he could destroy galaxies and planets with relative ease. Keep in mind, please, that such a situation could only occur when Superman is fairly close to the sun; at least in Earth's ionosphere. this is true but with vast amounts of yellow sunlight When in direct contact with vast amounts of yellow sunlight in the all star superman story the over charged cell of superman will couse him to die the strongest being in the DC universe. this is not true -Super Speed: In terms of speed, the only being faster than Superman is the Flash, who, for a time, was actually slower than Superman, according to Wally West. At his fastest, when not in any direct sunlight, Superman could run at speeds upward of two thousand miles per second. Now, I'm not entirely sure how fast Superman is in simple numbers, but I can give two prime examples that prove his superior speed: Superman is credited with traveling from Earth to one of Saturn's moons in under four minutes--five times faster than the speed of light. Also, in Superman: Red Son, he is claimed to move at speeds ten times faster than the speed of thought. but I can give two prime examples that prove his superior speed: Superman is credited with traveling from Earth to one of Saturn's moons under four minutes--five times faster than the speed of light. Well there is some truth in this, but it is completely overexaggerated. Superman can only go light speed when travelling at an accelerated rate. Travel speed when flying = FTL Fighting speed = Not light speed http://imageshack.us... http://imageshack.us... Superman even remarks he can't go light speed. Superman can only reach light speed through flying in space at a set velocity. This is near useless in a fight as travel speed is redundant, and combat speed is the speed to determine punches, kicks, ect. Superman even tells us that he only goes light speed when accelerating. Another instance of travel speed http://img171.imageshack.us... This is a popular scan taken from Superman/Batman going FTL. However it is under no indication Superman is going light speed, and is able to have a full conversation with Darkseid the whole way. http://img832.imageshack.us... To prove Superman cannot fight at light speed like many people suggest here is a scan. http://img819.imageshack.us... In actuality the electromagnetic shock wave from the bomb was light speed and it hit Superman. This is sufficient enough to show he was not moving at superluminal speeds, and can't react to it either. Furthermore many people said Superman flew to the Saturn moons at many times the speed of light. However this is completely false, as Superman was in deep space at the time when he heard the news of Lex Luthor being president. http://img705.imageshack.us... http://img252.imageshack.us... Superman cannot react and fight at the speed he travels, this is constantly shown throughout the comics. Failing to catch minigun fire. http://img407.imageshack.us... http://img23.imageshack.us... Pounded by Green Lantern http://img651.imageshack.us... WonderWoman is even faster then him in combat speed http://img839.imageshack.us... Superman can only travel at super-speed reaching a velocity of which he accelerates to light speed. His combat speed, reactions, fighting are not even close. goku is easy faster than this so is superman but you say superman is faster that light -Combat Ability: Contrary to what Pro originally stated, Superman has been trained in extensively in martial arts, though Goku's training is superior, except not to such a serious extent. Superman was taught by Mongul in the fighting arts, Wildcat in boxing, Wonder Woman in general combat, and Batman, who is, without a doubt, the best hand-to-hand combatant in the DC universe. yes he knows the kyptonian fighting stile of yoga and boxing from wildcat and batman also robin beat him in training note robin has also beat gl and many others http://static.comicvine.com... -Invulnerability: Among Superman's most useful abilities is his complete invulnerability. Superman's native people, the Kryptonians, have a molecular structure comparable to titanium, and emit an aura of impenetrable solar energy. true but many doomsday atlis lobo batman karate kid have beat superman with his aura https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com... -Goku can only use Instant Transmission when he is very concentrated. There is no way he could concentrate fully on teleporting away from/around Superman, when the latter is most likely hurling a barrage of strikes. Also, Instant Transmission is speed-based technique; it sends the user into a pocket dimension from which they can travel anywhere(http://dragonball.wikia.com......) yes but in a Instant -I won't say Goku is dumb, though you must understand he never had a day of formal schooling. (It took him upwards of years to learn to drive) He pales in comparison the Superman, a man with superhuman intelligence, in that department. i resolve this by asking the user to show a pic of superman driveing a car becouse when you can fly you have no need and the episade goku did drive a car and later saved a bus full of people