The Kalam Cosmological Argument(Part 2)

My argument in relation to the universe was that if it was smaller ten minutes ago, and ten before that, then there must be a time that it did not exist! Because if it's even expanding it had to start somewhere. To exist at one point would be to exist without expanding, because you say it's always been there. Your argument is flawed because it's proved that it's always been expanding. It must have been created if it had a starting point, which it did because it is only logical that if you go back for enough time it had not to exist. If you argue otherwise you're saying it always existed and if that is so, then it had a point to where it was the same, which, as proven, it has never stopped growing and changing. So, something had to begin the ever-expanding universe- God. "the physical four-dimensional world each of three dimensions of space is closed on itself as a ring, and the ring expands from zero at flowing of time but the dimension of time is not closed and hasa point of the beginning - the point of so-called "Big Bang", that is to say the point of a beginning of existence not only of space but also of time, and of matter" God is the answer to that. Since God is not the object of this debate, I do not have to explain the omnipotent, omnitemporal, and all other omni's of God. (http://n-kronov.chat.ru...) You misinterpreted what I meant by "God is everything and nothing." I had intended for it to be read as everything in relation to the universe, and of no relation to it, but not of nonexistence. If he created it, we are of no relation to God, but by creation. I do not like how you changed (or modified) your argument solely to allow you more room to manuever. I would like you to think about this, though. My nonexistent kid is as nonexistent as unicorns. If something exists now that did not before, it had no state of anything. The only existing thing is 'James does not have a kid.'. You can not say the kid is real unless you are the cause of it's creation because it's just as likely to exist as unicorns. Even then, you can't say that until it exists, which it never may, so you can't say that nonexistence is a state. I would like you to consider this...you state that I was nonexistent before I was born....but what if I was never born? Would I be in a state of nonexistence, or simply not exist? I would be trapped in that state forever, but how can I have a state of nonexistence if I don't? That would open up infinite realms of nothingness which is just silly. The IDEA of my kid's existence is real, but not the actual existence of the kid, or a unicorn. I did not exist in a state of nonexistence. To say that is a paradox. If I don't or did not exist I have no quality or state of being. "I would like to point out...it's a description of reality that he did not exist." Exactly! The idea, the description of me was reality, but I was not. You can not make nothingness real by personifying it. "...x existence came after a state of reality where it did not exist." There is no reality for nonexistant things! In the sentence, X is a noun. A physical thing can't exist in a non existing state of reality. This theory was created. If it was in a reality of nonexistence then it was always there, which can not possibly be. It was not because it had no state of anything before the creation of it's thought! Your entire case falls here, "Something which begins to exist, is a transition..." IN order for transition, it had to exist before! Transition to adulthood for example, a 'new adult'. It existed before! Then you say "Something that begins to exist can not exist before it exists." but you contradict yourself by using the word transition. There is no transition, just creation! I propose a more logical change to your wording, the only one that makes sense without paradox. "Something that begins to exist is a creation of existance (not transition)." This contradiction, I have proven, disproves my opponents case because things, as proven, must be created before existence. Thus, the universe was created...by God.