The system of "Sin" is not fair.

Ah. I did not intend to pull a "fast one" on you, but it's hard to phrase the "rules" correctly in the start. 1. A baby's innocence. -Now first off I was not making the argument that a child is not sinful from birth, or that bible does not state so. What I was saying is that the punishment for sin(i.e. murder, hell), is something that should not be applied to a child. -This cuts back to the "sins of our father" point. We are all paying for the sins of Adam in general, but there are examples of where god commits genocide for the sins of the adult population. ================== [2.] Oh boy. Yeah Job is one of the few examples I would never, EVER use in reference to his "knowledge" of the Lord or his morality. Simple summary: God kills Job's family, livestock, and steals all his wealth. Then proceeds to hurt Job personally with illness. All this time Job is begging for an answer, asking what he did wrong, what he did to deserve this(talking to his friends). Meanwhile God started all this because of a bet with SATAN(you know, the most evil entity ever). At the end, God shows up and instead of explaining to Job why all this has happened to him, he goes on a rhetorical speech asking him "where you there when the earth was born?" -Then God proceeds to replace that which Job had lost, but not in originality. God replaces everything by quantity. [The story of Job shows entirely that God punishes unfairly and to those undeserving.] God effectively murdered innocent people to prove a point to Satan. That's probably the worse example you could have given for your argument. ================ [3.] "How is it fair to obligate God [the author of life itself] to give a second chance when punishment is deserved for constant sin against God?" 1. I am not obligating god. I am merely stating that by human standards, what god did and the system he created was/is not fair. 2. Again, not everyone was "constantly sinning". We have no proof that all of mankind(even the children) were committing outrageous acts against God for the story of Noah, or that the slave/Egyptian children sinned so heavily, or that any of these acts of complete genocide were Justified. This is another problem with the system and it's fairness, God does not state what sin or what acts lead to the genocide of these people. 3. Nor do we have any proof that God's law was known to them. (btw: Romans-1 says this for the believers in the sense that "god was all around them" in the argument for his existence. Not his Law.). -No proof that God came to them as he did Moses. -No proof that God's law is available to everyone in a way they can comprehend it. -No proof that Jesus has shown himself to everyone either.(for the argument of after). The point is that you are assuming that these people had full knowledge of their actions, the consequences, and the system God presented. The bible never mentions this, nor does reality support it. Even now you can easily prove that God does not present his system to everyone. [Note]: I get that we are arguing with the bible = true rule,but when it aligns with modern reality I think this has relevance. 4. Unintentional Sin is again, for the believers of the religion. Those who could not know of the religion could not know of the concept of Sin, be it unintentional or otherwise. ============= [4.] God's "right" to choose. [NOTE]Con: Did not deny God chose a group of people and condemned all others. Also Mathew 20:1-16 Is a good parable for work, but for the souls of a human? That's taking it a bit too far. --------------- C: God's "right" MkII No. Creation of something does not imply ownership, especially when free-will and sentience are concerned. Also implying that God is above morality is implying the appeal to authority fallacy http://en.wikipedia.org... Please, do not argue that because God is perfect, the system must be perfect. That is beneath you. Note: [Redundancy]: Of course god is "void of sin", since to sin is to disobey him. Alrighty, having fun so far and thank you for participating. Lets go to round 3!