It's wrong to be gay.

Before we start the 3rd round, I feel as if we have strayed away from the actual topic. The topic does not say "It's wrong to desire homosexuality". It clearly says "It's wrong to be gay". So as I will ask, will we redirect our debate back to the topic at hand. Thank you. -- "Leviticus 18:22 establishes that gay actions are the things to which condemnation should occur. This means that heterosexuals who engage in homosexual relations (e.g. porn star) are just as condemned as homosexuals who engage in homosexual relations. There is nothing in the bible that condemns homosexuality, the desire. The only thing it condemns is the actions of it." -- Indeed it does say that it will condemn anyone who practices homosexuality. And it seems that we have got in this debate about "desire". Correct me if I'm wrong but "desire" means to have a strong want for something. That means you are not there yet. The topic is about BEING gay. So if you are making homosexual actions then you will be condemned by God. -- "Desires do not help anyone. The desire for heterosexual relations help no one either. The Actions are the thing that affect others, but being gay is not an action; it is what leads to action, if no competing desire cancels it out. But nevertheless, heterosexuals who cannot reproduce do not help further the animal kingdom, since they cannot reproduce. In fact, gay people who have come to a realization that gay actions are wrong, having turned to Christ, Many of the tines try to live out a heterosexual lifestyle, having a family and everything. Gay people can have families". -- Your completely right that desires do not help anyone. Forgive me that I have left the topic to talk about desires last round. If I don't do Christian things and don't get baptise as an example, then am I not a Christian? No, I still love God and I still believe that Christ died and rose from the grave for me. If you are gay and don't do sexual things with man but still love a man in a sexual way is that not the same? But if you want to make the argument that its all about the "actions" then fine. You are not gay unless you have sexual intercourse with the same sex. So practice what you preach. But either way it doesn't make it right to be homosexual. --- "Reformed Christian theology teaches that in fact we choose God when we are 'born again'. Our nature determines our actions, since good trees bear good fruit. Likewise, people who choose gay actions are born gay, or are at least born with the natural inclination towards gay actions. Does this negate the responsibility of choosing not to do gay actions? No. Simply because their nature demands them to do x, it does not negate the moral implications of it, as deterministic, metaphysical philosophers believe, myself being one of them. Moreover, now can one choose to be gay, when choice is simply the cognition of desire." --- You are right once again, we are "born again" when we choose God and a good tree does bear good fruit. Unfortunately for humanity, none of us are good trees. Which leads to an abundance of sinful choices. Only Christ himself beard good fruit. So with the fact that were all bad trees, we all lead to making bad choices. No ones born gay. No ones born a murderer either. We are just born with the unfortunate reality that we are going to make bad choices. But does that make being homosexual good? No.