David Icke's view that the world is ruled by a secret group called "Illuminati" is false

(Quote sources can be found here. http://www.svpvril.com...) ====== ***If my opponent really think that citing quotes is evidence, then he is sadly mistaken. Simply quoting people saying they believe in something is HARDLY evidence for anything. It's like me trying to show that God exists by quoting theists saying "God exists" or "I truly believe he is there!" Obviously, any intellectual would say it doesn't matter that people believe in something - because what people believe has NO contingency on whether or not it's true.*** ====== These quotes are coming from either people within the system who have witnessed things first hand, or they are the elite's speaking themselves. If you think your blind assumptions surpass Presidents, CIA members, Supreme Court Justices, Senators, and the very Global Elite we are talking about, then you are sadly mistaken. Witness testimonies do hold weight especially in a court of law. If someone says "I saw him shoot her" it's probably going to be taken seriously because it's tangible. It's not the same as saying "I believe God is here." You also did not address the fact that I gave you names of ex-Illuminati members to establish the very existence of the society. Here is a list of past heads of the Illuminati: Adam Weishaupt (founder) Giusseppe Mazzini (appointed to head worldwide operations) Albert Pike (by this time, the Illuminati had multiple branches, so Albert Pike headed the "American chapter") ======== ***On another note, many of my opponent's quotes or people he refers to as Illuminati members is under false pretenses. They are often quoted out of context (traces of Creationism anyone?) or quoted with wishful thinking. For example, a commonly cited Illuminati "member" is David Rockefeller's book Memoirs, where he supposedly admits to being an Illuminati member. This claim is not only false, but outrageously stupid for several reasons: 1. In context, Rockefeller is referring to people who have attacked his family for being internationalist - something that he and many others endorse (as do I). Unless my opponent is willing to say that EVERY internationalist and globalist is an Illuminati, then we can all realize that D.R.'s intention had nothing to do with Illuminati. 2. When asked by an interviewer of whether or not he was an Illuminati member, he denied it. Now think about this. If he was keen on revealing his secret, WHY would he deny it in an interview? People say it's to cover it up - but he freaking wrote a BOOK with it; something that people can buy and go over again and again. The answer is simple: he has been misinterpreted.*** ======== You cannot claim a quote is taken out of context without a legitimate reason to believe so. Many of these quotes are straight forward and leave no room for open interpretation. As far as Rockefeller denying that he is an Illuminati member, I have never seen such interview. And if he did, you must realize that the consequences for revealing the membership of the Illuminati or their existence would be dire. He can however reveal that he is a globalist. The rest of this is irrelevant as I did not use the quote you are referring to in my argument, nor do I use that quote to prove David Rockefeller is a member of the Illuminati. Now, if you do have doubt that he is a member of the Illuminati, look at what ex-Illuminist Svali says. "The Illuminati banking leaders, such as the Rothschilds, the Vanderbilts, the Rockefellers, the Carnegies, and the Mellons, as examples, will reveal themselves, and offer to "save" the floundering world economy. A new system of monetary exchange, based on an international monetary system, and based between Cairo, Egypt, and Brussels, Belgium, will be set up. A true "one world economy", creating the longed for "one world order", will become reality." - Svali ======== ***Council on Foreign Relations + Bilderberg Group + Trilateral Commission*** ======== Illuminati Grand Master Leo Zagami said the CFR and Bilderberg are Illuminati fronts. And even if they were not, they are powerful organizations that advocate globalization. Zbigniew Brzezinski, one of the most powerful Global Elites, a CFR member, and co-founder of Trilateral Commision said this: "In the technetronic society the trend seems to be toward aggregating the individual support of millions of unorganized citizens, who are easily within the reach of magnetic and attractive personalities, and effectively exploiting the latest communication techniques to MANIPULATE EMOTIONS AND CONTROL REASON....POWER WILL GRAVITATE INTO THE HANDS OF THOSE WHO CONTROL INFORMATION....Human beings become increasingly manipulable and malleable." - Zbigniew Brzezinski "This will encourage tendencies through the next several decades toward a Technotronic Era, a DICTATORSHIP, leaving even less room for political procedures as we know them. Finally, looking ahead to the end of the century, the possibility of biochemical MIND CONTROL AND GENETIC TINKERING with man, including beings which will function like men and reason like them as well, could give rise to some difficult questions." - Zbigniew Brzezinski Given these statements from the man himself, what makes you think there is any question that there is a Global Elite with evil intentions. It is true that not all members of these organizations are conspiring, but the power behind the organizations are. ======== ***Sociological theories of power*** ======== The Illuminati doesn't care about some sociological theory of power. The true power structure of the world is a pyramid, even described as so by ex-Illuminists. You don't think the world is a hierarchical bureaucracy? I don't see how providing such a theory has anything to do with disproving a "conspiracy theory." ======= ***Conspiracy theories assume that these leaders are HIGHLY CLEVER and intelligent*** ======= "We are grateful to The Washington Post, The New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years. It would have been impossible for us to develop OUR PLAN FOR THE WORLD if we had been subject to the bright lights of publicity during those years. But, the work is now much more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supranational sovereignty of an INTELLECTUAL ELITE and world bankers is surely preferable to the national autodetermination practiced in past centuries." - David Rockefeller I must also note that the term "New World Order" was first used in the Doctrines of the Illuminati, therefore it's safe to associate anyone who uses it with the Illuminati. Just in the past few months, world leaders have been using it constantly. In conclusion, my opponent failed to address parts of my argument, including the video. None of my evidence has been dismantled. The most he had was a theory that simply said "this power structure just can't be possible" or opinions that the provided quotes were out of context. This is of no value.