atheism (pro) vs Christianity (con)

- Christianity's claims does not stand up to reality and science Religion does not stand up to scientific facts like a round earth, old universe, evolution, big bang, heliocentrism and the fact that no global flood probably occurred. Christian claim: God created the universe in 6 days and the Earth comes / was created before the rest of the universe. - Genesis 1 Big bang: Earth and universe have a 10 billion years difference - Earth coming later not before. The evidence for the big bang is so rife and varies from the CMBR which is literally the leftover energy and heat from the big bang explosion observed everywhere in the universe to the expansion and redshift of galaxies, which means that working back in time, the universe was confined to a small point to Big Bang Nucleosynthesis to dark energy. [1] Some have even claimed to see the rapid expansion by looking at light that was old enough. [2] Christian claim: God created humans in one days in heaven from mud and ribs before all animals so impossible to evolve if you came before animals - Genesis 1 and Genesis 2:18-22 Evolution : - Transitional fossils Transitional fossils prove that species evolved from other species overtime. The fossil record will often show a fine and gradual transition from one species into another that empirically demonstrates that some species evolved from others over time Fish to tetrapods -Tiktaalik [3] two hind legs where red box is. red box over less clear leg. - Ichthyostega [4] looks like human legs [5] - Pederpes [6] not as obvious but the legs are off the body in lower end of the spine Reptiles to birds - archaeopteryx [7] - Confuciusornis [8] Primate to humans http://www.talkorigins.org...... Explanation of image in comments - Pseudogenes Pseudogenes like w3nta [9] are in the human dna and they give us tails like primates but they are deactivated due to a mutation despite being in our own dna which suggests humans had tails at one point in the past and other primate characteristics in the past. Same with hHaA [10] that gives us hair all over our bodies just like primates but it is deactivated by a mutation and is not used despite being in our dna which reveals that we once in the past did have this trait. - Vestigial Features They are leftover structures and organs from other species that have no function and are sometimes harmful like: - Wisdom teeth in humans [11] - leftover from primates with big jaws and big mouths. - coccyx in humans [12] - evolved from apes - pelvic bones in snakes [13] - leftover from lizards - hind legs in whales [14] - leftover from mammals - Ostrich wings - atavisms atavisms prove evolution and they are when pseudogenes get activated, they reveal traits we had in the past like fur all over, tails and other primate characteristics. Look at four-year-old Jiaxue from china http://science.howstuffworks.com...... Indian boy was born with atavisms and he had a tail like primates and he could not walk in an upright posture like primates. https://www.google.ca...... Christain claim: Universe is 6,000 to 10,000 based on Genesis 1, genealogies in Genesis 4, 5, 11 and the well known fact that Jesus existed 2,017 years ago. and also using the average expectancy of the generations between Jesus and abraham in Mathew chapter 1. Some of the people between abraham and Jesus have had their ages stated in the bible. James Ussher claimed the Earth came into being in 4004 B.C. based on genealogies of the bible and other historical texts. [15] Old universe : Each year, the tree grows new rings inside its trunk. If we were to cut the trunk and count the number of growth or annual rings inside, we could get the age of the tree. Sometimes you could take a thin small half-circle from the trunk to date the tree without damaging the tree or killing it. Old Tjikko Discovered by scientists in Sweden in 2004, Old Tjikko is 9,500 years old. A Norwegian Spruce that stands in Fulufj"llets National Park in Sweden, it is thought to have sprouted at some point during the ice age. While at only 13 feet tall it might not look like much, its underground root system is somewhat more impressive, having been continuously expanding for almost 10,000 years. [16][17] How could the earth have been created recently when a single tree is that old? King Clone A ring of creosote bushes that are estimated to be 11,700 years old [18] Radioactive decay and Radiometric dating Multiple radioactive decay methods of multiple rocks have given an age of a few billion years like the acasta Gneiss in Canada which is 4 billion years old [19], zircon crystals in australia which is 4.4 billion years old [20] or the cyanobacteria from Archaean rocks of western Australia, dated 3.5 billion years [21] by radioactive decay methods of surrounding rocks. Christain claim: Job 28:24, Psalms 19:4-6, Daniel 4:10-11, Matthew 4:8, Psalms 136:6, Isaiah 44:24, Isaiah 11:12, Job 38:13 Here is the flat earth of Christianity. [22] round earth: - pictures [23] - lunar eclipse [24] -ships [25] -seeing farther from higher [26] - Eratosthenes [27] - The sun as a spotlight [28] - Christianity's claims does not stand up to Christianity's claims Can God see people? No man can see God and live - Exodus 33:20 Whoever sees God has his life preserved - Genesis 32:30 (exact opposite of Exodus 33:20) Moses saw and spoke to God face to face like friends do - Exodus 33:11 Genesis 12 : 7 - Abraham saw God Leaders of Israel saw, ate and drank with God - Exodus 24:11 Jacob saw God and lived - Genesis 32:30 Solomon saw God TWICE - 1 Kings 11:9. No man has seen God -1 John 4:12 No man has ever seen God - John 1:18 How is this possible without a contradiction? Hilarious video [29] - Incoherence of the concept of God In Christianity, God makes himself subject to time when he says things like "one day unto you is like a thousand years unto man" (Bible 2 peter 3:8) How can God exist with time? There are three options, God is timeless, God lives in a reality with infinite time, God lives in a reality with finite time. If God is timeless, he can not exist ... not even for one second. Without time, God can not exist because there is literally no time for him. He can not exist not even for one second due to lack of time and lack of seconds. Without time, God is frozen and can not change anything nor create anything because without time, there is no change and no creation. Because changing and creating are processes, they reuire time by definition of a process. http://faculty.uca.edu... If God exists in a reality with finite time, he needs a cause to account for the beginning of his existence in the finite past. If God started to exist in the finite, what caused his start? What is God's cause that brought him into being? If God exists in a reality with infinite time, he is stuck in an INFINITE past sequence of events meaning he can not create anything due to being stuck in an infinite regress. If he wants to get to creation, it would be impossible, since he would have to undergo an INFINITE number of events to get to the action of creation (infinite regress). and no God can not break Logic because if God broke the laws of logic (which are necessary and not contingent) then God could be both God and not God (law of identity) or God could be both God and Satan at the same time (law of contradiction) or God could be both impotent and omnipotent, which would break his nature. and we already established that God is subject to time just like humans from the holy books. You cant exist outside of time. Time is a measurement of change. Without time, god can not change or do any change meaning he is frozen. He cant cause any change and can not create anything without time. http://faculty.uca.edu... References in comments.