World War III Part 2

Anyone who is reading this debate is probably familiar with the last debate we had, if not here is the first date, http://www.debate.org... Pro: China, North Korea, Russia, UK Con: US, South Korea, Japan, Germany Now allow me to condense the Pro's 8000 word argument into a few points here, 1) North Korea would probably start WWIII by invading South Korea and then enduring an allied response from Japanese + US + South Korean forces 2) North Korea has a larger army and air force than South Korea even though the North has many inferior weapons compared to the South 3) Russia and China would quickly come to aid North Korea because they did it before in the Korean War 4) Nuclear weapons would only be used as a last resort That basically summarizes the whole thing, here is my response to each point 1) We both agreed in the last debate that North Korea would start WWIII when Kim Jung Il's son took power and launched a campaign against South Korea, nothing to really debate over. 2) North Korea does have a larger army, however as the pro stated, the North Korean army is terribly obsolete compared to South Korea's army, they have fewer resources to supply their army, and a far weaker economy to fund their army compared to South Korea. Evidence the North Korea is underfed, low resources, and has a very low morale: http://english.chosun.com... http://www.strategypage.com... ^ In that one ex soldiers actually wanted to start a revolution against Kim Jung Il http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com... http://www.nkeconwatch.com... http://www.g2mil.com... http://www.globalsecurity.org... ^ Shows North Korea cuts all power at night just to conserve what electricity they have Inferiority of Army's technology http://www.g2mil.com... http://www.calebrossiter.com... http://www.iiss.org... South Korea spends 23 billion a year on an advanced military, North Korea spends 1.5 billion a year on an aging military. http://www.zerohedge.com... 3) During the Korean War China, Russia, and North Korea were all very communist nations where each had far different agendas than they do today. Russia in 1950 was communist, just went nuclear, and was only interested in competing with the west and spreading communism over their own borders. Today Russia is not communist at all, have a much smaller economy than other capitalist countries, and is just trying to keep track of their nuclear arsenal. Russia hasnt had good relations with North Korea since communism in Russia died in the 1990's, to assume Russia will come rushing to help North Korea is a myth. China in 1950 just turned Communist from Mao Zedong (They were so newly communist they had that new communist smell on them) The Korean War started not even 2 years later and even then China did not give support until North Korea was beaten back to their Chinese border. http://www.wilja.asn.au... Even with unconditional Chinese support against half-hearted US support China failed to completely overrun US forces and instead only fought back to the original border when the war ended. Today though China is slightly more capitalistic, has a booming economy, and is really just trying to keep growing economically. China has their own agenda now and it is centered more around economics and not spreading any political ideology, so Chine would not come to the immediate aid of North Korea should another war break out. Since this is WWIII though China would in this case help North Korea, but just like the Korean War they would not come in when the war first breaks out, they would only come after North Korea is on the brink of extinction. 4) Nuclear weapons may not even be used at all by any country because if any nation were to use them then they would surely receive a nuclear response and thus have their major cities vaporized. In the Korean portion of the battlefield there would be a bloodbath of US, Chinese, Japanese, and Korean (both North and South) casualties, but after many months the result of the battlefield would tip towards the allies. North Korea could fight a bloody war at first but would only be able to continue to put up a fight with all out Chinese support, and even when they give support North Korea would already be defeated. What happens after that between China and the allied Japanese - South Korean - US forces we can decide later in the debate Russia, as I have already said in the last debate, would only enter WWIII by occupying former Soviet territory in Eastern Europe, and even though Russia has a very large military it too is like North Korea's where it is underfunded and not very modern compared to other nations. By the time Russia overruns most of Eastern Europe though their military power would have diminished and by the time they went ace to face with any real military power they would have exhausted any offensive attack capabilities. Russia would have fought themselves into submission before they even went face to face with anyone Also stated in the last debate was the UK-Germany conflict since both nations would be unaffected by the Korean conflict they would enter WWIII for different reasons. As I showed before though UK and Germany are almost military equals, but since the US already has a very large amount of US troops in Germany compared to the UK it was argued that Germany would have the advantage against the UK since they would already have significant US support. Ill end here for now.