Motion: This House will remove all relics of saints.

Hello again. I apologize if I have not been a very challanging opponent, because I'm new at this, but I hope I was at least thought provoking. You only refuted two things in your last round. The first was on what I said about ignorance being encouraged in respect to faith. I would like to make clear I started that paragraph by disincouraging it: "The solution to that should be work to correct their ignorance by informing the faithful; not lock up all relics." I only went on to say the what I put after that to show that there ignorance is not detremental to the fuction of a relic. I find it interesting how any conversation I hold about faith seems to be responded to as if I was very much equally talking about salvation. I am not. those words are 100% interchangeble. though it is true faith is very importent in a discousion on salvation (the resolution 'Motion This House will remove all relics of the saints' dosent impley that this is one of those), faith is not reserved for topic in only that discousion. Salvation is not part of the discousion when talking about the kind of faith Elijah as he prayed for the end of a drought, or the faith that he needed that resulted in fire coming from the sky that consumed two millitary units that came to get him. faith can be discoused without the context of salvation when speaking of Abrahams faith as he brought his son to be a sacrifice to God. Anyway, whatever faith is essential in a prayer, wether for the exorsism of a demon in your daughter miles away, the defeat of your earthly enemies, or just for rain, or your joy that all things will work out for the better eventually, this is the type of faith that is present when the faithfull come to a relic, pray for a form of mercy or favor in this life, and have there prayers answered yes by God. And there lack of knowledge of the history of the relic is not detrimental to that. But again, I dont with to encurage ignorance in any of this because lack of ignorance is also not nessisaraly detrimintal to there faith, but it seems its detremental to bringing a seeker to the lord. An athiest prides himself on his rationality and should he see how little this ignorant prayer to relics differs from what he's known as superstition in any other pagan reliegion, it could be made a barrier by satan for keeping him from coming to the Lord. Anyway not the point of this debate, moving on. your last statement was that the relics are still usefull in a vault, "they might become a reminder for the future generations that a person of virtue lived during his day, and the proof is the relic.This is also what I mean when I referred on the historical value of the relic as stated in my previous argument." I see what you are saying about the historical value now, and now agree with you on that. But your motion was to remove all relics of the saints and in round one your own definition of remove was "remove - we define this word in the motion as the act of removing from the public view; removing from the veneration of the faithful." removed from the public negates any chance of it reminding them of anything. On a Fifty dollor bill there is a pitcher of President Grant. his face on that bill can remind us of his contributions we associate with his image that he did in his time. but I never carry a fifty on me so that form of currancy remains in a vault at my bank, reminding me of nothing. So I conclude it is contradictiory expect a relic to remind the faithfull of the public of "the footsteps of the ones thats come before"* and expect the public to never come eyecontact with these same relics. Good Luck! http://en.wikipedia.org... *