I'm a Utopian idealist - prove me wrong!

First of all, I believe that a definition would be appropriated. Leisure Definition: Leisure or free time, is a period of time spent out of work and essential domestic activity. It is also the period of recreational and discretionary time before or after compulsory activities such as eating and sleeping, going to work or running a business, attending school and doing homework, household chores, and day-to-day stress. Having 50% of your population (Or more) attending to tasks is not what we could call a leisure's society. Working on a matter you like is NOT leisure. As you did not refuted my point on the matter, I believe that alone destroy your whole theory. Human motivation for work: This is the source of the money paradox. If you decided to suspend money, it *MIGHT* work in the long-term, if it wasn't human motivations. You claim that human beings do not need money (material gain) to work. In some way, I would agree with you. However, would you get to work each day so that your lovely neighbourhood can be happy and have a leisure time? I'm quite certain it wouldn't compose something near to 50% of the population, as most of workers don't always get their "perfect" job. And unless you constantly see suffering that is in DIRECT relation to your actions, This: "" In other words seeing someone in suffering is neurologically very similar to being in suffering oneself. We care about others whether we want to or not; it's the way our brain is built. "" is not applicable. My second point and his claims to the need for money to achieve an abundance society are still unchallenged. The link you provided only mentioned: The largest allocations are for atomic energy (71.7 billion rupees), the space programme (49.6 billion rupees) and defence research (47.6 billion rupees) --http://www.nature.com... I will now restate my question while putting emphasis on a few parts: Considering huge amounts of money being needed for international export/import, military needs, energy production costs, and etc, do you think that a country such as India would use his welfare to research EXPANSIVE and UNCERTAIN technologies (Most of them, are, at best, in the experimental stage) to be able to let down money? As mentioned up above, India is not even near considering investing in domains such as self-generating nano-technologies materials or experimental phase production. The Information Restrictions: First of all, governmental affairs are known to keep military-grade project as states secrets. As some of the technologies you required needs considerable fundings with incredible outbreaks, there is a lot to bet that we will very soon reach a stalemate, with government censure on the most recent technological outbreaks. If, however, the technologies you mentioned are achieved by corporation whose only goal is wealth, I doubt they will ever publicized something that would lead them to the first production industry in the world. There is, actually, good chances that the means of fabrication will be kept private and secret. The paradox: I clearly wrote why underneath it, and if I may quote you, you now agree with me: SX23: "a country's work production being redefined into automation cannot be considered as a "free-source" project." Adciv---""Nowhere did I claim that public and private sectors will become open-source. ""--- Really? Then what about this? Adciv--""AdCiv: "Let's be specific: The "changes" my thesis requires are some successful open-source projects, ones that will create free education, free healthcare, free fabrication etc." You are being somewhat inconsistent... ---------------------- Concluding words: ---------------------- Due to my opponent inconsistency and very misguided view of the word leisure, to the intrinsic problem of the motivation required to work, the resources needed for the development of those very technologies, while so many other issues are at hand, the need for employees thorough law, entertainment, research, and security due to the inability for AI's to take over those sectors, and the unavailability of such prized and valuable technology by military and governmental means, preventing the creation of free-source project against them; I'm afraid that humanity will not be able to achieve a leisure society within the next few decades.