The Kill Command is Irrational

Oh the god has to be good? You do know that some gods aren’t good, say Loki the god of mischief. But you seem to be shifting your case around, saying that good is now a requirement. I guess to specifically attack the Christian variant of God. So is the kill command Irrational? No! Obviously because the god could possibly be not good. So in a sense I’ve already won the debate as far as the topic is concerned in the first round. However I do believe it’s not irrational for the Christian God to kill if good.Constructive It is rational for a testing of loyalty. 1) Okay, this should be a no-brainer. You should ASSUME that the person is lying. If you don’t know that God sent the individual to kill you should exercise extreme secular behavior, after all whomever is trying to kill you. It’s their burden of proof to prove God told them to, and FAST before you decide to blow a hole in their head. Let’s entertain the thought that there is one true religion. This would mean that 99% percent of the time you are wrong about your religion, thousands contradict each other. Then 99% of the time you’re in the right to defend yourself, the odds are in your favor. The 1% of the time when you’re wrong, you can simply tell God “Oops, sorry. I was only trying to purge evil from my sight like you did to them of old.” Religious folly should not go unpunished. Again I say, treat the matter like you would with a godless person trying to kill you for pleasure. 2) No, because your putting your own morality above God’s morality. You seem to think killing is immoral, no it isn’t. For if some murderous predator broke into your house and raped and killed your children, what evil you do from vengeance by hunting this predator down, raping and killing the predator. So it’s not about good and evil, it’s about what God commands, loyalty is following the commands not judging good and evil. Why he might give a command not to kill is because your rebellious, and he doesn’t want you to fight because of it (see Num 14:39-45) and God might command killing to execute vengeance (Numbers 31:2) Might do it to discourage certain behavior within a nation through Fear. 1) Why attract people that practice abomination? And if you need more people you can simply engineer more, after all didn’t God make man? It’s not God that needs people, its people that need God. Also places that do have capital punishment don’t have a shortage of people. A lot of people think capital punishment is good, I know because I’m one of them. So it doesn’t harm the gain much anyway. 2) How can you possibly have imperfect judgment? Did you have sex with a beast, yes or no? How hard is that? You’re not trying to decide what is moral, but if you followed the command or not. The only reason why we have imperfect trials today is that we operate off of people’s sense of morality (which is NOT consistent with all people). You really don’t need a jury for this, the commands are clear, not unclear like morals. 3) Yes, I’m completely confident. For he has the right to take or give life as he sees fit, for he created all things, and has the right to un-create all things. And I do not see evil if he decides to use proxy tools (other people) to execute judgment. 4) They did it because their god is gravely STUPID. To their god I say, come down here that I might chastise him with whips and tutor the way of wisdom by putting the fear of ME into him. 5) No, it’s to get people motivated. We already know what he wants with the “don’t have sex with a beast...” part. By mere words servants aren’t motivated, for when they see that nothing happens by breaking the commands then they will simply do whatever they want. How would we know? Well after seeing the ten plagues of Egypt you’ll understand why they trusted Moses. It doesn’t matter if it’s a flip switch or not, for do you want the supernatural power of God against you? How would you like to wake up and have boils or your water turned to blood? If Moses says God doesn’t want them to kill or not to kill, his words are good enough for me. 6) Well making people disappear is a very easy thing to do for magicians, and for all you know they could’ve left town and gone on vacation without telling (people disappear all the time) So no it wouldn’t instill the same fear. It had a judicial system (there’s even an entire book named judges that talks about different judges) It was a civilized society, not a barbaric prison camp. If you didn’t want to live by Israel’s rules (e.g. bestiality), simply move out and practice them elsewhere. Their laws were given for them to follow, not for the world. Refutations Psycho Killers It’s irrelevant, it’s not my burden of proof to prove God exists much less prove that a psycho killer is telling the truth. All I know is that the nutcase is threatening to kill me, and I don’t mind getting a little trigger-happy with my 12-gauge. And even if God really sent him, I would probably use this psycho servant for target practice anyway, for what is God going to do to me? Throw me in hell for eternity, again? So again I say, treat him like any killer. For it doesn’t matter, whoever wants you dead. And as I pointed out earlier, 99% he’s incorrect for certain. Though to clarify my beliefs. I don’t believe God sends people to eternal hell, I believe hell is a path not a destination. People walk the highway to hell because they are STUPID. God doesn’t send them there, fools run to it because they prefer hell over God. Efficiency vs Sufficiency 1) I didn’t give a reference, but out of curiosity what battle are you thinking of? There’s so many. And they are done for different reasons & criterias. 2) To be clear here, God did participate in some of them. An example might be seen in 2 Chronicles 20:20-23. As to why it’s rational, what’s the point of having servants that you never use? How do you know that the people desired to fight enemies? Why deny them the right? Because not all sins are grave as others (sexual cannibalism isn’t like stealing cookies), and he’s patient with people so that you can repent. The Kill Rebuke Okay, you completely changed your case and narrowed it down to a “good” God. Also rationalism has nothing to do with morality. Morality has to do with value put on objects. Rational has more to with reason and logic. For example, did you know that if a long enough famine hits, cannibalism is completely reasonable. When there are no more plants to eat, next goes the animals, than fellow humans. You’ve got to eat something, adventurely survival = cannibalism. The ferociously wicked problem is not with reasoning, but with a different set of values. Raping & stealing is completely rational because you can get sex & possessions. So He being irrational is off the table, because he might just simply hate you for whatever reason. So it’s not a matter of something being rational, for all things evil can be rational.As to good, does God do wrong by killing? The way I see it the Lord gives life as he sees fit, and I don’t see why he doesn’t have the right to take it life when he sees fit. He completely works within his rights, so he wrongs no man by ending their life. I do not see why the creator cannot use a tool (person) to execute judgment, so he does not do wrong through proxy. You might disagree on what is moralful because you and I are different here. But who are you to decide what is right or wrong for anyone? For the creation is not better the creator. If God desires someone dead, so be it, life is his to take & give. He does no wrong. Consider There is no answer to that sentence because I wouldn’t let anyone kill me period (ITS STUPID). I value life more than death! God might kill you because he hates your sinning too much, it’s rational to kill out of hate. There are many things God hates, a lying tongue, haughty eyes, shedding innocent blood, etc (Proverbs 6:16-19). So don’t practice sin, lest you give God reason to kill out of hatred of your sinning.