There is no possible way god exists unless you believe in utter hate and evil: Timmy Kinner

Seasoned beatings. I mean greetings. I have to say that. And how are you drooling today? Oh whoooppps, yet another miss-steak on my part. I meant to say doing today, yeah that"s it. I have to be sarcastic. My name is Michael. I have never been a follower of that idiot abomination christ and I"m not stupid enough to, nor is any intelligent person either. Its really quite impossible. And there"s really no such a thing as being "christian". Exactly" "There is little to say on the matter of the gruesome stabbings"" But its not only that. Things like that are daily occurrences and its quite sickening and its gotta stop. People need to come together and realize that these monsters don"t need to breathe around children nor see the light of day. "There is absolutely no possible way that if the piece of crap god of the bible exists unless you believe in utter hate and evil. It really is quite that simple. After all, this god of yours, who knowingly creates everybody, knows EXACTLY what is going to happen to everybody trillions of years in advance. Well of course that is only true if god is god." "I agree with your first statement, in that because there is good, there has to be evil to contrast." Why would you think so? Evil is NOT a need. Evil is NOT a necessity. Evil is NOT a requirement. Only in the world of god is this true. Take away god and a lot of evil disappears. The Aborigines, nearly all of the native American Indian tribes until they were wiped out by the christian sweaty pig christian brethren, the Buddhists, Hindus, Gaia Mother Earth, etc etc etc they in no way practice no preach evil not anywhere close to what the god of the bible does. In fact its not even a close call. "You seem to be angry in a god that you don't believe in;" I am have you read the sickening bible that people who have not read it believe in and don"t know anything about it? "furthermore, a god that Christ-followers do not believe in either." Yeah for that reason. More people have died in the name of god than for any other reason" George Carlin and he"s right. And christ that sneeze rag in which nobody can even prove either of them has ever existed, christ is the most fought after figure in the history of the human race. Go figure. "You're putting God in a box" I"m not the only one. There are millions that rightly do this. And they have read the bible. "the same way that "so-called Christians" do all the time." Yeah but atheists DO NOT go to war over atheism, not ever in any major war whereas god and religion go to war over their god all the fricken time. BIG HUGE MONUMENTAL DIFFERENCE. "The belief in a higher creative being does not have to be characterized by a stagnant mindset." Well atheists do not believe in a higher creative being. Or any higher creative being at all. "To elaborate, no one can understand God completely," Sure we can. god---doesn"t---exist. "but Christ-followers are able to infer what God is *not* via (H)is sure teachings." And yet again, nobody can even prove that this christ figure has ever existed. "The disciples rebuked the people, but Jesus said, "Let the little children come to me and do not hinder them, for to such belongs the kingdom of heaven." And he laid his hands on them and went away." Such a stupid silly little verse. Oh I get it so children are supposed to suffer through intense horror and agony and pain just so that little nothing verse can be played out? Are you serious? And this is not about jesus, who was NOT the messiah to begin with but only a bump on the carpet as he broke god"s laws and lied about god to begin with and god never gave him the powers to be the messiah nor change his laws, not ever, and christ himself cannot proclaim himself to be the messiah, in other words christ was---not---the---messiah, but just a scab and a drab of yodeling grunge country opera sniveling happy hairy hard off for the armpit of sleaze in a bucket of bile. "This doesn't speak to me as children-hating, does it to you?" Does it mention "god" Why no it doesn"t. I didn"t mention that snot nosed christ, which has nothing to do with this, you did. Here now the verses. And there"s not enough space to open them up, but you can if you wish. But be warned, some of them are super sick and disgusting" god in his bible knowingly and truly hates children through numerous passages such as LM4: 9-11, MT 10:37, MT 2:16, JG 21:10, 2 SAM 12:11-14 which is truly sick and disgusting, DT 2:34, NU 31: 17-18, LV 26: 21-22, 1 SAM 15:3, HS 13:16, 2 KS 15:16, EZ 9: 5-7, HS 9: 11-16, EX 12: 29-30, IS 13: 15-18, MT 2:16, (EX 21:17, LV 20:9, MK 7:10, MT 15:4, MT 10:21), JG 11: 30-33, PS 137: 8-9, 2 KS 6: 28-29, DT 21: 18-21, DT 32:25, DT 2: 32-34, DT 3: 3-6, JG 19: 24-29, EX 12:29, 2 HS 2: 23-24, LV 26:29, JM 11: 22-23, JM 19: 7-9, JM 51: 22-26, 2 KS 8: 9-15,LM 2: 20-22, RV 2: 18-23 only to name a few proves god hates and is 100% pure evil and 100% proves he cannot be involved with love. "Who says God loves suffering?" If your god did not love suffering, pain, anguish, hate, grief, then as stated he would---not---create---it. Its that simple. But like I said you cannot even prove that this god of yours even exists. "The only things we can understand about God are the things he claims of himself, or the things claimed of him by "The Prophets." Wow is that totally 100% false. Ezekiel 20:25-26 "Wherefore I gave them also statutes that were not good, and judgments whereby they should not live; 26 And I polluted them in their own gifts, in that they caused to pass through the fire all that openeth the womb, that I might make them desolate, to the end that they might know that I am the LORD." According to the secular web which if one of the fatal flaws of YOUR bible "God says that he intentionally gave out bad laws. (This means that God-given laws or commandments are sometimes suspect.)" Ezekiel 14:9 "And if the prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the Lord have deceived that prophet, and I will stretch out my hand upon him, and will destroy him from the midst of my people Israel." 1 Kings 22:23 "Now therefore, behold, the LORD hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets, and the LORD hath spoken evil concerning thee." "There is still much debate on the topic you speak of; why did God create humans, the most barbaric and vicious creatures upon the face of the earth?" I never asked that question. What a stupid question. Here" what christians like you don"t get (don"t bother calling yourself agnostic because you are not, not even close) Your god could have easily created peace, love, harmony, care, kindness, etc etc etc AND KEPT IT. Nah this god of YOURS prefers evil, anger, wrath, vengeance, rage, fury, jealousy all in which this god of YOURS has freely admitted to. Emotions like that are so befitting of a supreme deity - right? Oh and jealousy, yeah anger as disguised fear. So wonderful. And then this god of YOURS neatly passed down those emotions so man could learn to HATE with at least 1 billion dead all in the supposed "good" name of YOUR god on the battlefields alone. Great going god. Great going you for believing in this atrocity. Keep up the good work. Christopher Hitchens also said "religion". And he"s right. Religion, doesn"t have to be organized, is the main source of hatred. Oh really? You think there"s such a thing as a "true christ follower"? How wrong you are. Watch this video. - Why Does Every Intelligent christian disobey jesus? There"s absolutely nothing you can say to circumvent what happened here, and continues to happen due to what YOUR god knowingly creates, IF you believe in him, and things like this allows to happen such as this incident. And it happens again and again and again and again. So if you believe in YOUR god, YOUR god loves EXTREME pain, violence and hate and evil. You cannot circumvent this. Your god is an A$$. Tracie Harris: "Your question was regarding free will as an argument for allowing suffering. That's when you get into the problem of evil. Now the problem of evil as we all know is not an argument that demonstrates that no god exists or that god exists. What it demonstrates is that god is your god is an a$$. What she's telling you is she believes in a god, and I assume she worships this god? Its like is she 'happy' about her god?" Caller: "Oh oh yeah everything except for the old testament." Tracie "In other words what she is saying is 'I love this god who believes that the free will of the rapist is more important than the free will of the child being raped. That I think that its worth it to have a child be raped because I really really put a high value on a rapist's free will."" "When she dies does she get to go to heaven? If she gets to go to heaven will she be happy? And she"ll probably say "yes". And you say "Will you be able to choose and do anything you want while you are in heaven?" And she"ll say "yes." And so you are basically saying "you"ll have free will in heaven?" So you have free will in heaven and no one is being hurt, raped, so you can do anything you want and no one gets hurt. If god has that power in heaven, he must have that power on earth. So he"s chose not to set that condition/ toggle switch which means he"s a dick." Phil Ferguson "Could god have made the world and not suffering? And if they say "no" then he"s not all powerful. If they say "yes", then why didn"t he? Its a constant thing. There"s multiple ways to come at it." Phil Ferguson Thanx for being intelligent in your debate, unlike nearly all, it is highly appreciated. I hope you can keep it up. Pease tc and have fun -Michael