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Before my response, I have a few errors to correct, first off, I am not 5/8 Ashkenazi, my lineage is as follows: My Mother was 100% Ashkenazi Jew, whereas my father, was 50%, his mother, was roughly 100% Maulocaun, which were, Turkish Jews, on his father"s side, was " Yaqui Indian, and " other, other being Americans who lived here since the American Revolution, and owned slaves, making my father " Yaqui, " White racist pig, and " Turkish Jew, this making me " Ashkenazi (German) Jew, " Maulocaun (Turkish) Jew, 1/8 Yaqui, and 1/8 White racist pig. Next off, I called you a "Ding-Dong". Also, I have a few questions to ask you: Do you believe that Non-believers are going to hell? Is God a male according to you? How do you think wives should be treated? How many times a day do you pray? Do you believe that you are obligated to do good deeds? Do you believe in Genies? Do you believe that Women should cover their hair? Do you think it is OK to drink alcohol? My Response: "1. David was starving to death (since he was fleeing from Saul), and so, the concept of pikuach nefesh (life risk) applied to him. 2. When David did what he did, that had absolutely nothing to do with Sabbath desecration. The only sin which can be committed when eating consecrated bread is being ritually impure, which David wasn't, as he himself said "Indeed, the women have been kept from us, as usual when I set out. Even on unholy missions, our bodies remain holy." Therefore Jesus' logic when he compared his students picking the wheat to David's situation is completely false, because A: No Sabbath desecration was involved (therefore it cannot be compared to that) and B: They weren't even guilty of anything. Whoever wrote this book must have not known anything about Jewish law." Yes, I made a mistake here, you are right about that piece, though, I made a discovery, the verses you are referring to are in Luke 4:16, Mark 2:27, and Matthew 12:1, all three of these individuals were not disciples! You are also correct here, they were not Jews either, so they did have no understanding of the laws, now, to make this clear, the gospel of Matthew was not written by Matthew, based on study of word use, was copied from Mark and a few details added in. So while Matthew was a disciple, this work was not his own, so it"s credibility is based on that of Marks. Mark and Luke was both romans commissioned to record what happened with the whole Jesus ordeal, so for research purposes, we cannot trust anything that they say. We can, however, trust the Gospel of John, only the Gospel of John, which is ironically the only gospel which does not include this story, alluding to the Sabbath gleaning thing to be most likely inaccurate. "I know that there were no lives at stake when Jesus healed the people as he did. To the best of my knowledge, he only healed the blinded and lepers. And about his students, it is said that they were hungry, but not starving. Therefore, no pikuach nefesh was involved in this situation, leaving it completely unjustified. Also, healing on the Sabbath is permitted as long as it is done in a kosher way. Waving your hand over someone and magically healing them is not against the Sabbath. Again, I would like to point at how ignorant the writers of this book were in Jewish law." And I will not deny this, " the gospels are unreliable. You admit his healing was not against the Sabbath, good, now we can move on. "As for some of the Bible passages dealing with the importance of the Sabbath, here are some: "The LORD spoke to Moses, saying, 'But as for you, speak to the sons of Israel, saying, 'You shall surely observe My sabbaths; for this is a sign between Me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I am the LORD who sanctifies you. Therefore you are to observe the sabbath, for it is holy to you. Everyone who profanes it shall surely be put to death; for whoever does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from among his people." -Exodus 31:12-14. "Observe my Sabbaths and have reverence for my sanctuary. I am the LORD" - Leviticus 19:30 "'Sanctify My sabbaths; and they shall be a sign between Me and you, that you may know that I am the LORD your God.'" - Ezekiel 20:20." Well, Jesus did not profane it, unless this is a different word used in Hebrew, as to the second verse, he did show reverence toward it, and he left it sanctified, you yourself admitted that what he did was not against Jewish laws. "I never claimed that "children bear the iniquity of their parents", in fact, I recall claiming exactly the opposite. " Thank you for clearing this up, I thought you were defending this. "You not caring about the law does not make it any less important. About the law, it is written: "You shall keep My statutes and practice them; I am the LORD who sanctifies you.". We are made holy only through the Law of G-d by the hand of Moses. Jesus came and tried to annul this law according to your books, which is why you Christians have had such odious disrespect for it over the years. The law is in my head because it is vitally important in all cases, especially when dealing with one who does not follow it, which is in our case, Jesus. Without the Law, we do not get to decide who is righteous and who is wicked, who is liable and who is exempt. To push aside the law as if it is something unimportant is equivalent to pushing aside all godly values, as well as humanist values. Since your hero is a violator of this holy law, that is why you have such contempt for it." Contempt, I have no contempt against the law, I merely cited that God values how your treat your fellow man above any law, this is indeed repetitive in both the New and Old Testaments, along with the Guru Granth, I never tried to discredit the law, show contempt for it, or attack it in any way. "I am absolutely repulsed by your gross and odious disrespect for Moses, about which it is written: "Never again has a prophet arisen in Israel like Moses, who knew the LORD face to face, for all of the signs and wonders which the LORD sent him to perform in the land of Egypt, against Pharaoh, his servants, and all his land, and for all the mighty power and for all the great terror which Moses performed in the sight of all Israel." -Deut 34:11. Without Moses, we would not even know who G-d is." Really, because last I checked, God had many previous prophets, each of which obeyed God much more than Moses. Now comes a very simple question, how can we trust Moses? Let"s examine a few verses from the Bible, Exodus 9:1: "Then the LORD said unto Moses, Go in unto Pharaoh, and tell him, Thus says the LORD God of the Hebrews, Let my people go, that they may serve me." Alright, simple enough, except that is not what Moses said, 5:1: "After that, Moshe and Aharon came and said to Pharaoh, "Here is what ADONAI, the God of Isra"el, says: "Let my people go, so that they can celebrate a festival in the desert to honor me." Huh, now that doesn"t look like what God said at all. Sounds like Moses misquoted God, let"s look at another case, this one should look familiar, Numbers 20:8-11: "ADONAI said to Moshe, 8 "Take the staff, assemble the community, you and Aharon your brother; and before their eyes, tell the rock to produce its water. You will bring them water out of the rock and thus enable the community and their livestock to drink." 9 Moshe took the staff from the presence of ADONAI, as he had ordered him. 10 But after Moshe and Aharon had assembled the community in front of the rock, he said to them, "Listen here, you rebels! Are we supposed to bring you water from this rock?" 11 Then Moshe raised his hand and hit the rock twice with his staff. Water flowed out in abundance, and the community and their livestock drank." Again, another Misquote, this Moses has a history of misquoting God, how can we trust anything he says? According to the bible, we should drop this case here and now, and not regard anything he says to be true. "He founded the religions. He is the foundation of all that we know to be true today, including your New Testament, which is based entirely upon the revelation of Moses. Moses was the greatest prophet who ever lived, with a higher level of prophecy than even the Messiah. Most prophets received their prophecies in dreams. Others who were greater received it while awake, but only through hallucinations. But with Moses, G-d spoke with him face to face, as a friend would talk to his friend. And the same thing with Moses, who was able to communicate with G-d always, at any time of the day, unlike other prophets who had to engage in deep concentration and meditation to communicate with G-d. - G-d would not have killed Moses. He was simply trying to scare him into performing a commandment which Moses had delayed, that of circumcision. Moses did not circumcise his son, and so G-d scared him into doing it. It had nothing to do with Moses being evil."" Exodus 4:18-31: "Moshe left, returned to Yitro his father-in-law and said to him, "I beg you to let me go and return to my kinsmen in Egypt, to see if they are still alive." Yitro said to Moshe, "Go in peace." 19 Adonai said to Moshe in Midyan, "Go on back to Egypt, because all the men who wanted to kill you are dead." 20 So Moshe took his wife and sons, put them on a donkey, and started out for Egypt. Moshe took God"s staff in his hand. 21 Adonai said to Moshe, "When you get back to Egypt, make sure that you do before Pharaoh every one of the wonders I have enabled you to do. Nevertheless, I am going to make him hardhearted, and he will refuse to let the people go. 22 Then you are to tell Pharaoh: "Adonai says, "Isra"el is my firstborn son. 23 I have told you to let my son go in order to worship me, but you have refused to let him go. Well, then, I will kill your firstborn son! At a lodging-place on the way, Adonai met Moshe and would have killed him, 25 had not Tzipporah taken a flintstone and cut off the foreskin of her son. She threw it at his feet, saying, "What a bloody bridegroom you are for me!" 26 But then, God let Moshe be. She added, "A bloody bridegroom because of the circumcision! Adonai said to Aharon, "Go into the desert to meet Moshe." He went, met him at the mountain of God and kissed him. 28 Moshe told him everything Adonai had said in sending him, including all the signs he had ordered him to perform. 29 Then Moshe and Aharon went and gathered together all the leaders of the people of Isra"el. 30 Aharon said everything Adonai had told Moshe, who then performed the signs for the people to see. 31 The people believed; when they heard that Adonai had remembered the people of Isra"el and seen how they were oppressed, they bowed their heads and worshipped." Examine this particulatr verse, Exodus 4:24: "At a lodging-place on the way, Adonai met Moshe and would have killed him," Yeah, it says it right there, that God would have killed him, so, unless you want to say that God is a liar, you have to admit that God would have killed Moses. "G-d did not let Moses enter the land because of a minor sin which he had committed during his life, because he hit a rock (when G-d told him to speak to it. He hit it on his own initiative.) Since he was so great, G-d expected much more from him. Therefore, he was punished much more than a common man. Moses never did anything worse than desecrating the Sabbath. He was not a murderer or chauvinist. He acted on G-d's initiative. And even if he acted on his own, that still does not come close to Sabbath desecration, which is worse than murder." Really, because it says God would have killed him. Next off, you are contradicting yourself, you cited, yourself, how, under the pikuach nefesh, human life matters far more than ANY LAW, so now the Sabbath is above human life, you better just get one doctrine, and not contradict yourself. This particular comment is almost hilarious, or, it would be, if so many people didn"t believe it, but they do, so it is more scary than hilarious; "He was not a murderer or chauvinist" Well, for someone who supposedly reads the bible so religiously, you do seem to know very little about it, Here is scripture evidence of him being a murderer, keep in mind, God does not lie, so if the Bible says it, it"s true; Exodus 2:12: "He looked this way and that; and when he saw that no one was around, he killed the Egyptian and hid his body in the sand." And, here is scriptural evidence of him being a chauvinist; "If you are born from a Jewish mother, who had a Jewish mother, who had a Jewish mother, so on and so forth, then you are Jewish. If not, you are 100% a gentile. There is no such thing as a "Jewntile", you are either a Jew or a gentile, there is no in between. If your mother is Native American and your father is Jewish, you are just as gentile as the Arabs." I explained my lineage above amigo, here is what I said: "My Mother was 100% Ashkenazi Jew, whereas my father, was a little different, hi mother, was roughly 100% Maulocaun, which were, Turkish Jews, on his father"s side, was " Yaqui Indian, and " other, other being Americans who lived here since the American Revolution, and owned slaves, making my father " Yaqui, " White racist pig, and " Turkish Jew, this making me " Ashkenazi (German) Jew, " Maulocaun (Turkish) Jew, 1/8 Yaqui, and 1/8 White racist pig." "If there is even ONE error in a book, then it cannot be from G-d, because G-d is perfect, flawless, and does not make mistakes, as evidenced by the continuous uninterrupted revolution of the Earth. If your gospels have one mistake (needless to say 5 mistakes in every chapter), they are not legitimate. However, this is another topic for another time." You speak of the bible as if it fell from the sky; in fact, there is only a few verses that actually fell from the sky, that being the Ten Commandments. The point is, God is perfect, but he did not write the bible, he told humans to write in the bible, and humans, are not perfect. Regardless, we can confirm the authenticity of certain books such as kings, chronicles, or Judges, because they are more of recorded history than revelations. We can confirm the authenticity of the prophets based on the consistency with other prophets, but can we confirm the law, not so much, because there was only one witness; Moses, according to these verses, we should not trust something based on the testimony of only one witness, Deuteronomy 19:5: "One witness is not enough to convict anyone accused of any crime or offense they may have committed. A matter must be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses." Deuteronomy 17:6: "On the testimony of two or three witnesses a person is to be put to death, but no one is to be put to death on the testimony of only one witness." "You Christians have caused the greatest desecration of G-d's name, more than anyone else in the entire world. From your bloody Crusades, to your ignorance in science, and to your sheer stupidity on logical matters. The atheists think of you as representatives of G-d, and so, they hate religion more and more because of it. You are the greatest chillul Hashem in the world. How DARE YOU consider yourself a representative of G-d?" Excuse me, you are misquoting my statement, I said that we are all representatives of God, me, you, every Jew/ Christian, because people make judgments on God based on how Jews/ Christians act, you even backed this up, that this is why atheists hate JudeoChristianism. And, finally, my statement was based on fact, meaning that people make a Judgment of God based on how we act, not that "God has sent me to be his representative" as you are suggesting. "Just as today, there is a tremendous desire for sexual gratification, especially among teenagers, back in the day, there was a tremendous desire for idolatry, as evidenced by the nations throughout the world who all worshipped idols. There is a famous story in the Gemara, which deals with a sage named Rav Ashi, who was a master of Jewish law. Rav Ashi was once teaching his academy the history of the three most evil Jewish kings (those being Jeroboam, Ahab and Manasseh). As the day came short, it was time to leave, and so he finished the lecture with a witty scornful remark: "Tomorrow, we will begin speaking of our good friend Manasseh." That night, Manasseh came to Rav Ashi in a dream, scolding him, "How dare you call me your colleague? I am much greater than you! Tell me, O great rabbi, when we make the benediction of hamotzi, from which part of the loaf of bread must we begin to cut?" Rav Ashi was did not know the answer, and so Manasseh began to taunt him "If you do not know the answer to such a simple question, how dare you call me your friend?" Rav Ashi said, "Please tell me the answer and I will teach it in your name in my lecture tomorrow", whereupon Manasseh said that the proper place to begin cutting the bread is where it is most brown. Rav Ashi asked. "If you were so wise in the laws of the Torah, why did you worship idols?", where Manasseh replied, "Had you lived in my generation, you would have lifted the hem of your garment so as to run faster to the idols, and you would have ran after me!" From this we learn that the desire for idolatry was great in those days. The Jewish Sages prayed to G-d to destroy the desire for idolatry, and He granted their request (which is why idolatry is ceasing, and monotheism/atheism is most widespread). " You did not reply to my statement, I said that if you want to call Christians Anti-Semites because in the distant past they killed Jews, then you will have to say that Jews are Bail worshipers because in the distant past they worshiped bail. So, what is it, all Jews are Bail worshipers, or you were wrong about all Christians being Anti-Semites. "And another thing in their defense is that WHILE WE WERE BRINGING SACRIFICES IN THE HOLY TEMPLE, YOU WERE BRINGING OFFERINGS TO YOUR IDOLS ALL OVER THE WORLD. Will you really point out the short period of time when Jews worshipped idols, while you yourself have ALWAYS worshipped idols?" 3/4ths of my lineage is Jewish, which is in this case beside the point, the Yaquis never sacrificed to Idols, and the 1/8 of my lineage being Americans here since the revolution, which was British, yeah, the druids, native Brittan"s, were Satanists.