Abortion on Demand Should Be Illegal

"I justify my position based on the level of development of the fetus, as I've stated." You justified your position by the fetus' inability to feel pain. If you now want to switch to level of development, we can talk about that. This is the exact reason I asked you to provide your criteria at the beginning rather than at the end. Saying that we can kill people based on level of human development is insane. Level of development is not a specific point, so it is an arbitrary criteria. Children are not full developed, but we cannot kill them. Human persons do not lose value based on their level of development. The societal consequences of such a view would be disastrous. "Also, a point that I don't believe has been yet brought up is that abortion is humane in nature." If killing people is humane, I don't care about your relative view of what is humane. It doesn't matter if the child in the womb feels pain. If the person is killed, pain or no pain, it should be illegal. Similarly, I cannot kill adults, even if I do it in a painless "humane" way. "You still didn't answer the question. Does the intrinsic value of human beings automatically lower when being compared with a fetus?" I do not recall you asking this question, but I will answer it now. No. All human persons are equal under my view, so the fetus deserves the same right not to die as the mother. People on life support have the same intrinsic value as the fetus. Intrinsic value does not change based on level of development, age, size, intelligence, ability to feel pain, etc. All people are equal. You re the one who cannot believe all people are equal since you admitted that fetuses are persons. "It is more a matter of perspective than "God"." I agree that you can explain the behavior, but you cannot explain why certain behaviors are good or bad other that personal opinion. I don't care about your personal opinion, nor should you care about mine. "You compared the morality of rape, child rape nonetheless, to the act of excersizing choice." Again, reread my original argument. I was not comparing the morality of rape and abortion (at least until my last apply). I was comparing the principle of caring about the safety of those committing crimes. "One should be responsible enough to know if they can raise a child before 25 weeks gestation, human beings need to hold some level of responsibility with abortion and that is one of those responsibilities." That does not answer the question. Why is a child of 5 weeks intrinsically less worthy than a child of 25 weeks? Neither level of development nor ability to feel pain are consistent standards. "If all human beings have the same intrinsic value how come the law cannot force you to donate blood, organs or tissue to someone who is dying just because they both have the same consistent intrinsic value?" You would have to ask those who wrote or support that law. I am neither for nor against that law. I were to justify that law, I would do so using an analogy. If I am walking by a lake and I see someone drowning, I have an obligation to help that person, as long as it wouldn't put me in danger. Now, if it would put me in danger, I could either make the heroic move or the cowardly one. Forced donations are a form of forced heroism. The person, as long as they are alive, might survive, so they have the right to bet on that chance rather than be a hero. "The nazi's generally were not all Christians, but Hitler was, and has publically said that the jewish people were the enemies of god and that fighting against them was gods work." Hitler used Christianity as a means of gaining popularity. Many historians believe Hitler, based on his private statements, was a atheist. Regardless, if he claimed to be Christian, he was going against his worldview. My position is that Christianity can support a moral foundation, I do not claim that all supposed Christians will reach that foundation. "Once the thalamus forms, the procedure cannot be done humanely with a guarantee." If you define humane to mean painless, then that would be true. Some people have a birth defect where they cannot feel pain. Can we kill them? If not, you cannot use this as the basis for killing children in the womb.