LM Classic: Logical-Master vs ToastofDestiny

============= RE: FTL Travel | ============= In attempt to account the sheer speed potential of Sora, CON points out that the laws of physics in NYC prevent FTL speeds. However, this a heavily flawed argument that damages my opponent's case considerably. We're talking about fictional characters who bypass what we deem to be real world "laws" all the time. Last I recall, Doomsday (or beings like him) don't exist, nor does anyone with the abilities of Haru Glory, Northstar, Jean Grey or Brit. What my opponent is doing is cherry picking. If we are to follow his line of reason fully, then we are either left with concluding that since none of these characters exist in real life, they are all to be dismissed . . . or everyone is to be stripped of their super powers (and removed completely if they are not human). If this were to occur, I'd have the advantage seeing as how Batman has no super powers, but has a genius intellect as well as knowledge of mostly every martial art to rely on. ============ RE: Warp Snipe | ============ True, I did make this concession in the comment section. Fortunately, this merely requires a slight change in my plan: Namely, Revan's ability to feel the presence of others and even plan information into someone else's mind. I will reveal the full edit to my initial strategy after I deal with my opponent's arguments. =========== RE: Force Sight | =========== http://starwars.wikia.com... http://starwars.wikia.com... As a matter of fact, force sight does enable one to see through objects. ===================== RE: Amazo duplicating the Force| ===================== My opponent insist that Jean would search out the opposing team and telekinetically squeeze Revan, applying several tons of force and causing him to pop like a ripe tomato. However, I'd like to stop my opponent right there. 1) Whereas both may be pretty powerful telepaths, Revan vastly has an edge over Jean Grey as he could find Jean's location (and rest of my opponent's team) instantly, given the effectiveness of force sight, as well as the effectiveness of force sensing in general. Indeed, during the Revenge of the Sith, Darth Sidious was able to detect Vader's plight at Mustafar on the other side of the galaxy (interestingly enough, before it even happened) after being victorious in his duel with Yoda. Whereas Jean may arguably need the help of Cerebro to pull off wide scale psychic detection in the mere confines of a city, this would be child's play to a force wielder, especially someone regarded as one of the greatest force wielders of all time. 2) Revan is simply faster mentally/physically in general. We've seen Jedi comprehending and deflecting lazers from blasters on regular basis and have even seen them deflect lightning from close range. There isn't anything to indicate that Jean Grey possesses thought speed anywhere near this level. Hck, Revan could even move and think faster than what I've already indicated through using force speed: http://starwars.wikia.com... In short, there's no way Jean Grey will be able to outdo Revan (maybe with the phoenix force, but without it, nope). Revan could either kill her himself with force choke (once more, Vader having killed one of his own officers during empire strikes back while not even being their location proves this can be done without being in person) . . . or could just implant the information of her location in Sora's mind and allow him to blitz her. All of this would take place before Jean Grey could even hope to do anything about it. 3) We've seen the Apprentice from the force unleashed video guide produce enough force energy to guide a star destroyer to the ground(watch the video to the right http://www.youtube.com... ). Merely a few tons of pressure divined through psychic energy would be NOTHING to how much Revan's own force energy could shrug off, seeing as how a far weaker force wielder was capable of moving something hundreds or perhaps thousands of tons in weight. 4) Hiding in a building won't do anything for Jean. All Revan has to do is detect her with the force. In addition, Jean wouldn't even get the opportunity to do this seeing as how fast my strategy would ensue. IMPORTANT NOTE CONCERNING THE REST OF CON's case: Seeing as how the next 5 subpoints rely on Jean Grey being alive after somehow using her inferior powers to vanquish the legendary Jedi Master, I won't bother addressing them. I may possibly do so in the next round just for the heck of it or if I feel the need to . . . but for now, I do not see the need to contest these points linked with Jean actually surviving. One thing should be made clear though: My opponent is essentially gambling his entire strategy on Jean Grey's survival. If you don't buy her surviving, his case is completely defeated. ================= REVISED PRO STRATEGY| ================= 1) Revan feels out the presence of CON's entire team at an incomprehensible speed. 2) Revan then immediately uses force choke and/or plants the idea of Jean Grey's location in Sora's head. Even if Revan were not faster than Jean Grey mentally/physically, CON's method of Jean besting Revan would be utterly useless. 3) Sora blitzes Jean Grey (if Revan didn't kill her), Northstar and maybe Haru Glory. 4) At the same time as this is happening Amazo duplicates the powers of Revan and Spider-man. 5) Sora returns to Revan, Batman, Amazo and Spider-Man. Amazo Duplicates Sora's powers. 6)Amazo uses a combination of force sight and force sense to duplicate the powers of COn's entire team. 6) Batman uses his motherbox to boomtube the group to Doomsday, Brik and maybe Haru Glroy. 7) Amazo takes down Haru Glory and Doomsday as has already been explained. Batman may possibly need to boomtube Doomsday out of NYC. Either, he is toast. 8) Spider-man webs up Brik while making fun of his lame powers and ties him to a lamp post after taking a picture of his success so that he could get paid by the Daily Bugle. Team CON wins. I now stand ready for CON's 2nd round.