Lincoln was a white supremicist and one of this countries worst, most unconstitutional presidents.

1) I agree with you, except i would say Lincoln is nto an exception and was in fact much worse than the norm. A) If they were fighting over slavery than why would he use it as a tactic, unless they were fighting over something else, and if you ARE correct, why did he not free the slaves in the north as well? Afterall, if that was a high priority of his, wouldn't he do the easy one first and then fight to get the south to do the same? B) Lincoln was a powerful member of the ACS, and while "looking out for there own best interest" sounds good on the surface, Liberia was not exactly paradise, and he also advocated sending them to malaria infested Panama. C) It wasn't an exact quote because i couldn't remember it, but here's some more: On Oct. 13, 1858, during his famed debates with Judge Stephen A. Douglas: "I agree with Judge Douglas that he [a black] is not my equal in many respects, certainly not in color — perhaps not in intellectual and moral endowments" a letter that he wrote to Horace Greeley, the editor of the New York Tribune. On Aug. 22, 1862, he wrote: "My paramount objective in this struggle is to save the Union and is not either to save or destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave, I would do it." 2) are you asking for evidence, or do you grant that they happened? and my claim was that he was ONE of the worst, some other wartime presidents would be ranked up there with him. And also you factor in that he probably did the most to destroy the constitutional platform of this country. A) Thomas J. DiLorenzo. An economics professor at Loyola College in Maryland, and auther of "The Real Lincoln: A New Look at Abraham Lincoln, His Agenda, and an Unnecessary War: "Right. The historians seem to have set the number at 13,000 Northern citizens put in political prison without a warrant, without being charged with anything. The highest estimate I heard was 38,000, but just to be conservative, I stick with 13,000 in my book. No one seems to know with any precision. Those prisoners included dozens, perhaps hundreds, of newspaper editors. The Journal of Commerce in New York City published an article early in the Lincoln administration listing 100 newspapers in the North that were opposed to him. Lincoln ordered the Postmaster General to cease mail delivery of those papers, and that's how papers were delivered in those days. Only a relatively few number of those papers resumed publication, and only after they promised not to criticize Lincoln. Quite a few editors and owners of newspapers were thrown in prison without even being charged." B) But at the time the United States was exactly that...united states, if it was a puppet government saying they will NOT secede, than isn't that just ignoring the duly elected representatives of the people? Afterall this country was set up to be strong states held together by a weak central government, Lincoln was taking too much power and so that's why the state decided to secede. There is no nice way to put it, he did it to keep power and save his own skin. C) You're right, i actually didn't notice that when i wrote it, consider this included in Point A. D) ok first off the only reason the states wanted to break away was because Lincoln was a tyrant and because of the tarrifs i talked about. The south trying to free slaves arguement i will drop because we have both agreed that slavery was a secondary issue. The tarrifs are easy enough to find. I don't believe they were ever put in but Lincoln and the republicans were advocating them strongly. i mispoke earlier however when i said they were on ag products, the were on imports of manufactured goods. By putting large tarrifs on those, the south (which didn't have a lot of industry) would be paying 80% of the taxes because they had to import all their manufactured goods, while the north WHICH HAD Industry would have to pay very little. This would effectivly turn teh rich plantations of the south in to poor dirt farmers. E) Except the states are supposed to check the federal, if the federal checks the states who checks the federal? that allows the federal governmetn to do whatever they want, something they've done to this day.