Socialism is evil

DEFINITIONS Socialism: The state owns the common means of production and redistributes wealth Capitalism: An economic and political system in which a country's trade and industry are controlled by private owners for profit, Rather than by the state. ARGUMENT (that hasn’t been sufficiently addressed). Socialism has a historically high failure rate (relative to other systems). REBUTTAL “These are far from " highly capitalist " countries. In fact, These countries aren't 100 % either at all. These countries have redistribution of wealth and socialized government programs such as free college and free healthcare. All of which are forms of redistribution of wealth. If you are going to make the argument that since these countries aren't 100 % socialist, This doesn't make them socialist and their success is mostly due to capitalism than this is wrong. “ It’s not a matter of making an argument, These countries don’t meet your own criteria of socialism. You’re misattributing wealth redistribution as a function of socialism, When it’s really a general function of a government. Socialism requires a tax hike to support the extensive list of things it provides for ‘free. ’ This doesn’t mean all taxation is somehow socialist. “But at the same time having socialized safety nets to prevent poor living conditions and the exploitation of workers. ” This is welfare, Not socialism. “The problem with this logic is that acting as if countries have to be 100 % of one ideology or the other” I never claimed they had to be ‘100% socialist, ’ (whatever that means), Only meet the criteria you provided in your definition. This is straw-manning, As I have never made this argument and won’t in the fourth round either. If your definition is impossible to meet, Then it’s an unobtainable ideal and simply not relevant. If you cannot provide an example of something which meets your own criteria you have no way to justify it. The fact is, Most of the countries you listed are more open to trade than the United States. (Denmark, As a specific example). “Never said the standard of living wasn't rising, It is rising which is due to mixed economies on socialism and capitalism. The standards of living have risen due to mixed countries with capitalism and socialism. ” No, The innovation isn’t coming from socialism. The world has had a hell of a time recovering from the scars of World War 2. “Last time I checked, The industrial revolution checked everything in the definition of capitalism, During the industrial revolution these countries had all of trade and industry owned by private owners for profit with little redistribution of wealth. In your own definition, It never states that the market should be " regulated" at all or argue for the redistribution of wealth. ” I agree, But the problem wasn’t capitalism, The problem was unchecked capitalism. This teaches about the value of government, Not the detriment of capitalism. Regulations and rules can be in place without becoming non-capitalist. “This is inaccurate, According to Forbes, The only countries mentioned on my list that have higher taxes are Germany, Denmark, And the Uk. Every other country such as Canada, Sweden, Norway, And Japan all have lower taxes than the US does. ” All these countries you’ve provided have a capitalist economy, With slightly larger welfare systems than the US. Even still, The welfare isn’t generally beneficial it’s specifically beneficial, The general detriment is seen to be outweighed by the specific benefits. (i. E. , Healthcare) I’m going to isolate Canada here, As it’s the biggest example of this being a possibility. This only holds true if you only calculate personal income tax. The average Canadian will spend 42% of their income on taxes; the average American will spend an effective 24% of their income on taxes. “By our definitions that we agreed upon, The government is entirely run on the redistribution of wealth/taxes which would, Therefore, Make them immoral from your POV. ” I disagree with excessive taxation, That’s my point of view. Redistributionism is not the same thing as socialism. “Explain to me how statistically according to CEO world and literally every other statistic out there, That the US isn't even in the top 10 nor 20 when it comes to highest life expectancies. Being beaten by countries with more socialized medicine such as Switzerland, Norway, Japan, Denmark, Spain, Uk, And Sweden. ” Culture and habits, The United states is incredibly unhealthy overall relative to other countries. “Going to college helps society and the economy by having more skilled workers and a more educated population. Which in turn leads to more innovation and more economic gain. So yes the average person should be going to college. ” I disagree, Going to college does not in and of itself help the economy. Smart people, Who learn valuable and rare skills from going to college helps the economy. Most people should get an apprenticeship, Pursue their career, Or create a business. Normalizing college will not increase our intelligence, And it certainly won’t raise our standards. “This is an acetal claim which I already provided statistics to that contradict it. ” What does organic chemistry have to do with economics? “Taxes are taking wealth and redistributing it. In this case, It is going towards social programs which is essentially socialism with the definition we agreed upon. ” Sometimes, And depending on the program it’s an error. Most taxes go towards the functioning of the government and the defence of said government. “By this own sentence, You pretty much agree that at least some levels of socialism are necessary which completely concedes your entire argument. ” I said redistribution is required, Not socialism. SOURCES – In profile, More available upon request.