On balance, Justin Bieber is a worse influence on teenagers than Miley Cyrus

INTRODUCTIONAlmost just forfeited, that's how excruciating researching this debate is.Let's just get into it...ARGUMENTS CONTINUED...Something to aspire toTwo key things I want to respond to here:“We can look at his behavior in all the previous situations I noted, plus others that I haven't to show Bieber' s true colors”Here is the problem, you actually compiled every single incident that I could find Beiber has been involved in, hence my accusation you're committing Misleading Vividness; that is, you've got these couple of incidents and you're implying that this is just a few of the dozens that exist when that simply isn't true.“I think most famous singers start out small. “This is completely irrelevant; you're essentially dismissing one of my arguments on a false pretense. Cyrus started out rich, Beiber started out poor. Cyrus is a decent singer but had the resources pre-fame to have professional instructors train her to sing. Beiber worked hard to attain his technical skills with no resources. That's the whole point. I believe that my opponent has dropped this point, which I consider to be the very core of my entire argument. Transitioning“I don't think this does much to prove that Miley is a worse influence; just that her impact on younger teens has shifted to older ones.”Wat? Again my opponent completely dismisses my argument this time without any reasoning. The whole point of my argument was that she's producing music for an older demographic but her previous Disney work (which is still shown regularly and is still very popular) continues to build fans among children.I believe that my opponent has inadequately addressed this point.REBUTTALS CONTINUED...Justin Beibers incidentsMy opponent has listed the following seven incidents: Peeing in a mop bucket while drinking with friends at a restaurantSpeedingCursing at paparazziAttacking a paparazziSmoking a jointDrugs being found in his tour bus'Groping' a fan Two of these incidents (attacking a paparazzi and drugs being found in the tour bus) are unresolved. That is, they are 'alleged' incidents. They should not be held against him.Leaving us with five.Cursing at paparazzi... The context of the cursing at paparazzi incident is highly relevant. The paparazzi are saying highly inflammatory things to him just days after he was stuck with illness on stage (although he finished the show: http://www.dailymail.co.uk...). One paparazzi can be clearly heard saying “you fvcking moron”. Beiber is only human and although he reacted inappropriately, he is constantly provoked into doing exactly what he did. Your video even calls it 'Beibers bad week (paraphrased).' Is he not entitled to a bad week? Furthermore, how are his fans going to be influenced by this behaviour? Do you think that fans of Jimi Hendrix are going to overdose themselves on heroin to be like their idol? That isn't how influence works. Fans tend to focus irrationally on the positive. Beiber's fans are a prime example of this.Peeing in a mop bucket... well that's just stupid. It seems to be someone from his entourage filming the incident too. I drop this point.Smoking a joint... I've already adressed this and countered with Cyrus's clear and public support of marijuana legalisation. If that isn't good enough...Here she is smoking a joint: http://i.huffpost.com... Here she is smoking a bong: http://www.disabledlifemedia.com... Groping a fan... I've already addressed this. There is no evidence, save for this one photo that this is anything more than an isolated accident. The fan (called Jocelyn Beiber on twitter) said this: “IM DYING HAHAHAHHAHA IT LOOKS LIKE JUSTIN’S TOUCHING MY BOOB IN THE PICTURE AHAHAHAHHA I CANT” (http://hollywoodlife.com... )Speeding... Dropped last roundCONCLUSIONMy opponent is portraying Beiber in a way that suits his argument and is, in the process, being highly intellectually dishonest. These 5 incidents make up the entirely of his argument that Beiber is a 'bad guy'. I concede that Beiber has made some bad choices in the past year or so. Peeing in a mop bucket, speeding, responding to jerk paparazzi... But I must ask again: How do these thing influence anyone? His hundreds of thousands of rabid fans are demonstrably stubborn in their worship. These incidents, few as they are, do nothing to alter their perception of him. Can anyone question this? Have we got a sudden string of fangirls peeing in mop buckets crying 'BEEEEIBER!!!”?My arguments against Cyrus are few, but solid. She IS transitioning from a younger demographic to an older one. She was born with a silver spoon in her mouth.I conclude not that Cyrus is a worse influence than Beiber per say, but that as a role model Beiber is someone that the majority of people would be able to emulate, while no-one but those already rich can emulate Cyrus. Isn't that the core of 'influence'?