universal healthcare

under universal health care, the poor are covered as well as the rich, therefore no one dies just because they aren't covered. i cant believe you made me elaborate on that more. sure you can compare aspects of other countries, that's what you did when you compared our cost growth rate with Canada. yes, there are other variables to consider, but it is hypocritical to tell me that i can't do it when you did it yourself. i know you aren't a believer in preventative care but doctors will tell you that it can help prevent illness and catch it early on. if people could see a doctor more often, it would at least help with their obesity problems in most cases. im not saying that this is the only factor in other countries lower obesity rates but it does contribute. but even if 2 countries obesity rates were close, life expectancy would still be longer in a country with universal healthcare. lets look at the UK for example. they have a close obesity rate to the U.S. except they spend less than half of what we do per person on healthcare and they are ranked 13th in life expectancy while we are ranked 38th. this is because, even illness in obese people can be prevented with the right care, believe it or not. i don't think the US health system is as bad as you do. i just think its not very accessible to everyone and as a result, we have exacerbated health problems in the U.S. everyone being covered would help fix these problems. what you are basically saying is that you need evidence that people spend less when they have less money to spend... healthcare is becoming less affordable so people are having less and less access to it. our economy is also in bad shape which hurts the situation even more. in countries where there is universal healthcare, people still receive the care they need regardless of the situation, so their cost growth continues while ours slows. our costs are still more than any other countries even though their populations are more fully covered. you restate my point that we spend more on public healthcare than countries with universal healthcare. this point hurts your argument instead of helping it. it shows that money goes a lot further under universal healthcare for many reasons, including the fact that health services are cheaper under universal healthcare. you claim single payers see more cost rations. when i made the argument that our health system rations care based on salary, you acted like that was irrelevant because all systems ration. now you are being a hypocrite by claiming that universal healthcare harms because you believe that single payers see cost rations. you claim that people are wrong on medicare by comparing a poll on peoples satisfaction rates with a service to a poll on peoples opinion of aliens. in other words you are saying that you know what people want better than what they do. this is like going to a restaurant that serves food that nobody likes, yet the chef keeps serving the same crap because he thinks he knows better than his customers. first of all this is a poor argument in the technical sense because its like comparing apples to oranges, but it also expresses your opinion of people. it shows that you are not the person that people should listen to about issues that have such a big impact on them because their satisfaction is not a priority of yours. you also just bad mouthed democracy. i know that you don't think people can know if they're satisfied with a service but im part of the military health system and although you would probably disagree with me, i know that i am satisfied and i would like to see the same services provided to the rest of Americans. in conclusion, i thank people for reading and my opposition for the debate, but i don't think that i should have had to exhaust these points as much as my opponent made me. my argument was very simple and very clear, while his is a vague attempt at stonewalling the debate. not only have i shown the weakness in his arguments but i think that i have done a better job than him at expressing my logic so i hope that people can see that, regardless of their stance on the subject. please help me out by voting for pro.