The debate of God's notion of free will

No need to apologize, can"t become experienced until you jump in! Right? In fairness to debate rules, both and all parties MUST follow rational guidelines ". To achieve optimum clarity in patterns of discussion! Example, can"t argue Gods notion and then come back with There IS no God as a rebuttal, cause "". if He doesn"t exist? He can"t logically ".. HAVE a notion? Right? So all who read these arguments MUST at the time of argument, and for those God specific arguments naturally concede God, is Real and Does exist ". At least during those God specific arguments. So EQUAL fairness, or notify the moderator cause I"m out because this is just a God bashing and not a real debate! Check? " Check! OK? In order for logical discussion (cause most here DO NOT know God) we must complete definitions so people reading can rationally consider the beings we"re discussing. Remember people go to the definitions to get UNBIASED view of whom you"re going to talk about? God. The creator and ruler of the universe and source of all moral authority; the supreme being. Oxford Dictionaries. For the purposes of THIS debate He DOES exist ". So he can have opinions ".yes? Man. a human being of either sex; a person: Oxford dictionaries Evil. morally wrong or bad; immoral; wicked, harmful; injurious, characterized or accompanied by misfortune or suffering; unfortunate; disastrous: due to actual or imputed bad conduct or character, marked by anger, irritability, irascibility, etc, that which is evil; evil quality, intention, or conduct, the force in nature that governs and gives rise to wickedness and sin, the wicked or immoral part of someone or something, harm; mischief; misfortune, anything causing injury or harm, a harmful aspect, effect, or consequence. Dictionary.com Opponent states: I will be taking the stance that We have free will and because of that god doomed a majority of his creation to hell. Also stated Free will defined (specifically that these "free will" choices are not ultimately predestined by God.) My Response: Genesis 2:16 And the LORD God commanded the man, "You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; 17 but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat from it you will certainly die." God condemned? Or Man Condemned? Does this scripture in any way imply predestined disobedience of Adam? Kinda like texting and driving Huh? HOW MANY TIMES are you told don"t do it ". But WHEN you DO IT", You SHOULDN'T have to DIE? You want the choice ". Just don"t want to die for it. I understand really I do, but that doesn"t MAKE the death unjust, nor predestined does it! Just a consequence of action ". Kinda Like Adam huh? Please place source of scripture reading? (According to the Bible, the choices of man are not only ultimately determined by God, but morally determined by one's nature.) This way I know your reading it correctly before I respond :) (Opponents) My first point in simple. In order to follow god you must sacrifice free will which in itself is counter intuitive to gods plan As People can"t understand Gods plan lets put in terms Man CAN understand " sense only the Godly would understand (No offense intended.) Okay you work, right? You decide to NOT do what you were hired for ".. but to fire you, would violate your right to FREE CHOICE? I disagree you have the choice, you can DO WHAT I BROUGHT YOU FOR " Or DIE of starvation ". Let me see , so That"s UNFAIR, or somehow VIOLATES your free choice? Sooo do you only have to do your job some of the time or ALL of the time? Will you not still be held accountable for not doing your job at ANY time? opponent placed this scripture: For all of us have become like one who is unclean, And all our righteous deeds are like a filthy garment; And all of us wither like a leaf, And our iniquities, like the wind, take us away. Isaiah 64:6 My Response: That scripture means man will only DO their work SOME of the time! Therefore not dependable, work focused, lazy. There Sinning will be lifelong. Sinning Continuously IS how the scripture puts this: The LORD saw how great the wickedness of the human race had become on the earth, and that every inclination of the thoughts of the human heart was only evil all the time.~Genesis 6:5 This also answers the below statement: all of your good deeds are but rags in the eyes of lord and that only through Jesus Christ could one be saved from damnation and their sins be absolved this is where the "Free Will" effect triggers in my mind (opponent) if Jesus walked the earth and preformed miracles and did all the beautiful and wonderful things that bible said he did and through his teachings saved many souls from hell the people around him who saw his power would have no choice but to believe what this man spoke and would find following a worshiping him dare i say easy False: They killed Him". Didn"t they? (opponent) I have never seen,taste,touched,smelt or heard god speak to me the only evidence of his existence is an ancient book which is a collection of stories put together by the church long before my ancestors walked the earth and yet in order to enter the kingdom of heaven i would have to throw away all of my human instinct , my knowledge my logic and also my desire in order to properly serve god 14 How, then, can they call on the one they have not believed in? And how can they believe in the one of whom they have not heard? And how can they hear without someone preaching to them? 15 And how can anyone preach unless they are sent? As it is written: "How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news!"~Romans 10:14-15 7 "Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. 8 For everyone who asks receives; the one who seeks finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened. ~Matthew 7-8 9 "Which of you, if your son asks for bread, will give him a stone? 10 Or if he asks for a fish, will give him a snake? 11 If you, then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give good gifts to those who ask him! ~Matthew 9-11 opponent states: The act of giving up everything a person could stand for how they live there lives what they eat who they sleep with what cloths they wear what thoughts can cross their mind. My Response: What you describe above IS false in the extreme .... so your idea of FREE WILL, is the right to do whatever you want, whenever you want to, for as long as you want to ..... BUT you DON'T want anything BAD to happen to you BECAUSE of YOUR ACTIONS ...... is that about Right? Sound familiar ..... I want to text and drive, but I don't want to DIE for it! So what your actually saying outright IS you believe people should have the RIGHT to sin WITHOUT consequence or ill effect! I mean that could be argued from a sheer unfairness position .... those who live uprightly, within the confines of decency, morality, justice, love and fair play ...... Oh wait a minute, there's no consequences is there? So what are the chances that humankind will BE motivated to live uprightly? BINGO it's fiction or Most realist call it! a pipe dream! ..... isn't it? pipe dream. 1.an unattainable or fanciful hope or scheme. synonyms: fantasy " false hope " illusion " delusion " daydream " chimera " castle in the air " castle in Spain " pie in the sky If that's the case why NOT steal, lie, cheat, fornicate, be an adulterer, take without giving, sleep with any sex, kids or animals, why not rape, pillage, plunder. that's sin NOT free will! The simple fact is SIN exist ... it destroys lives, people, territories, lands, governments! That's WHY there are police, prisons, Jails .... Because people ARE evil by nature because of the Fall of Adam ... Death, there are 2, physical death brought on by Adam, and spiritual death, Brought on by Man's SIN! .... God? HE GIVES MAN A WAY of escape, COURSE you CAN FREELY refuse it ! can't you?