God's existence - supernatural explanation superior to natural due to violation of nature

All of Pro's arguments demonstrate either an argument from ignorance or violate Occam's razor. Uhmmm... I don't really know what to do here. Pro has offered no new argument's and no real refutation to anything I said. She did not even address the social science of why one would create a god. I guess I'll elaborate on the science. The question here is: "are there more plausible models than god for the universe?". The answer is yes, but before we look at plausible models, let's look at theism's cosmological model. Theism's Cosmological Model: Axioms: 1.There is one universe. 2.This universe can't be eternal. 3.The universe must have a cause. 4.The cause is transcendent. 5.The cause is god. Statement: God created the universe from nothing.(whatever god is) Let's analyze this. Not only are the axioms unsubstantiated; not only is this much more complicated than any other model; worst of all it's not even false. In order for something to be false it must be able to be tested and measured against evidence and predictions of evidence. I can not disprove god created the universe from nothing, just like I can't disprove there's a teapot between earth and mars. However let's look at the axioms and see if they are sequitur, none the less hold up to evidence. 1. Let's revisit the multiverse. The multiverse is a natural consequence of inflation. Via BICEP2 Primordial gravitation waves have been detected, which is almost indisputable proof of inflation. Inflation accounts for the: 1.Uniformity. The cosmic background radiation is quite uniform. Inflation adequately accounts for the uniformity. A uniform region expanded rapidly, evolving into our visible universe. 2. Mass density. Inflation predicts the omega should 1. The Planck satellite measures the omega as 1, which means our universe should be flat, which it is. 3.Small non-uniformity. The small non-uniformity in the universe is easily accounted for by quantum fluctuations, which have been observed in the CBR. As explained in my previous round the multiverse is a consequence of inflation. All the other predictions have come true. I would say that would constitute a good reason to think the multiverse is true. -Cause Why does the universe have to have a cause? If there must be an uncaused cause, why go past the universe? If you do so, you re violating Occam's razor. -Eternality PRO has not offered any strong refutation to the QET or the Hartle Hawkings model. We do have good evidence the universe began to exist, however that does not mean the universe can't be eternal. Now even if axioms 1,2 and 3 were true, 4 and 5 WOULD NOT FOLLOW. Theism's series is as follows: X(god) --> X -->Y (universe). A much more simple and rational series is: X(universe)-->X. In conclusion: Theism's cosmological model has 3 unsubstantiated axioms, and 2 non-sequitur axioms that follow. Further more we can never expect theism to tell us why the universe is one way opposed to another, because in any universe a theist can say god made it that way. -Laws of physics. My point was if the universe comes from nothing, and before the universe was nothing thus no laws of physics, how is the 1st law of thermodynamics violated? Also god is not implied by PRO's initial arguments. -More models. Now that we have seen theism's implausibility as a cosmological model, let's investigate more plausible models. -The Oscillating Universe This is a self-contained model in which the universe evolves from a big bang, then expands and expands and then collapses upon it's self and then re-expands. This model is perfectly self-contained and no god is needed. X-->Y-->X W34;<---------->W34; -Hartle Hawking A boundless self contained universe model in which a creator is uneeded. -QET Once again, any universe that is described by quantum mechanics with non-zero energy and a time independent Hamiltonian is eternal in both arrows of time. -Quantum fluctuation: The universe is a quantum fluctuation. Suppose we have a timeline: X-------------Y-----------X X and X are synonymous high entropy states. If you start in the middle with the low entropy state and go either right or left you will go to high entropy states. -Empty space. Empty space is unstable. If one starts with empty space, one will always get something. Surprisingly empty space has energy. A quantum fluctuation in empty space can lead to a universe. None of the models I presented might be the correct model, however all of them are self contained. Even if they were not self contained, positing god would make the picture more complicated and would not solve anything. http://www.scientificamerican.com... http://www.space.com... http://en.wikipedia.org... http://en.wikipedia.org... http://en.wikipedia.org... http://www.preposterousuniverse.com... http://ned.ipac.caltech.edu...