Holocaust revisionism should be legal

You said... "Looking through your argument and past debates I can see there is an emerging trend of hate and fear. To be honest arguing this debate is a bit hard for me as it seems hard to think you can ever deny something that created such a tear in the history of man kind. Personally I find it hard to believe that anyone would deny the event as apparently the photo's, bones and buildings is just not good enough evidence so it begs the question what else would be needed to prove the event. .." Really, I'm not much sure I should even pay you the courtesy of entertaining you as my opponent in this debate when in your very first sentence you make this about me and my "past debates", before going on to decide that they are a "trend of hate and fear". I'm going to let that slide this one time, but readers please note, I am too long in the tooth to have an honest debate with someone if they repeat this opening tactic of an attack on the messenger. Although this is not untypical when anyone dares discuss this subject in all but the most allowed ways, I personally don't have time to waste debating anyone if they are going to repeat this kind of thing. Please also read and stick to the topic. The topic is not what you think of a total stranger online, nor is the topic my 'past debates'. The topic is clearly - holocaust revisionism should be legal. That is to say the freedom of an individual to examine what you may think are established facts without fear of imprisonment. The truth fears NO investigation. Moving on... You said "Let me ask you this why would these people want to look into this event? What could they get out of it?. Okay let's say in a hypothetical world the holocaust never happened and your alleged truth seekers were the "heroes" in this case what good would this bring upon the world I mean would we be better off if the holocaust was a lie? (At least those lives would of never been taken away). This research isn't driven by intellectual knowledge but by hatred of the Jewish race who in the end are just human beings no less than you or me people who feel and others who experience pain and emotion. .." I cannot speak for any individual, but why do they have to 'get anything out of it'? This is meant to be an event from history. This makes it worthy of examination and revision, as would be the norm with any other event in history. This is how we learn, discover, this is how errors or falsehoods within history are corrected, through the freedom to fairly examine the evidence for one's self, as a sentient human being and adult. You have no way of knowing what "this research is driven by", but you assume that you do. You've already made up your mind that this one event should have some sort of quasi religious status that is akin to 'going against god' from centuries ago, you've already made up your mind that any adult that dares think for themselves or do their own research is drive by some unexplained "hate". Again, it is a waste of my time to debate you when you deploy such positions. You said; "The holocaust was so much more than an event it's a part of history that is one of the moments where we went down a road so dark that to this day it still has such a powerfully painful place in the history of Europe and the rest of the world. So why would these people want to go out of their way to prove nothing happened what good can come into their lives trying to disprove an event that happened just 75 years ago that still shows affect to this day. .." The emotional stuff here ^^ is totally and utterly redundant. As you say, it is meant to be a "part of history". As such it should be freely open to research, examination, and revision. You said "Just reading through a topic (2nd Link) on the subject matter I found that the report had little to no evidence to back it up claims are made that scientists had checked these camps for traces of cyanide in the gas chambers but of course even if they did test the chambers it would be inconclusive as no cyanide was used at all they used carbon monoxide gas. Another claim is that not enough bodies were found yet they forget to mention that alot of these camps had contained crematoriums so it answers the question of where those bodies went. It seems that these hard hitting investigators don't do enough research but just pulling facts out of the air that would make sense in a poorly done report. " So your position here is that Zyclone B gas was not in fact used but "carbon monoxide gas"? Just to be clear, is that your position re the type of gas allegedly used? Have you ever checked to see, even using the most modern day methods, how long it takes to cremate even one body? But these things are also moot, as the subject here was not my personal view on specific aspects of this event, but that adults should be perfectly at liberty to do their own research, weight the quality of evidence, and make up their own minds. You said "It seems you are basing your argument strongly on accusations yet you are unable to back this evidence up as you had only supplied one link and even that link doesn't do well in supporting your argument. To compare a politicians accusations towards some man just reading into his own belief is not a fair comparison as he is a politician the lives of many people are counting on him to be of an open and sympathetic stance but when claims are made that he believes a genocide (not the holocaust) never happened it does create concern for many people as he has power over an actual country and of course if he has any existing beliefs against a large group of people this may conflict with his job towards working for his country. Your accusations of the mistreatment of holocaust deniers need to be backed up better than a link that does not equate to that of someone with pre existing beliefs that hold no power over any other people. " Accusations of what or whom? Are you suggesting that people who are holocaust revisionists in the countries I mentioned don't to go prison and incur massive fines? My entire position is purely based around the freedom and liberty of any individual to study this historical event for themselves and make up their own minds about all and every claim. My position is that truth fears no investigation. It is not 'accusations' to say that men are thrown in prison for peaceful research and for making up their own mind. It's a self evident fact. You said "The laws that were put into place by other countries do more good than you claim otherwise alot of them fall under the hate speech regulations (which are an all round fair regulation). The ones that are directed towards holocaust denial mainly are just fines but can cause an increase in a prison sentence if it is accompanied by a crime. These laws allow to make sure that violence is kept on a low level as there are still many Neo Nazi groups who hold alot of hate towards others and spreading hate can increase misinformed people that may actually harm innocent civilians so this talk of hate has to be kept regulated. Another thing to remember is that your needs are no greater than anyone else's that includes your need to the freedom of speech against another person's freedom of feeling safe and being treated with dignity and most of all respect." So it "does good" to put people in prison or ruin them financially for doing their own research and making up their own mind. Only some sort of slave would be penalised for daring to do that. Whether it is a fine or a prison sentence is moot. The research itself and gathering of materials is illegal in all those so called 'free' nations. They end up with a criminal record for doing their own research and making up their own mind as any human being should be allowed to do. This has nothing to do with violence, that's a straw man popped in for effect. This is about a person's inherent right to do their own research any make up their own mind, without fear of being penalised by the state for doing so. This is not research in which the person is collating information on how to make an execute bombs. This is information and this is people's human right to have a mind of their own. If that constitutes 'violence' or 'hate' to you, then you must have a very different meaning for those words than the ones I use. Research is not 'violence'. Making up your OWN mind should never be a crime. Your use of Neo Nazi's here is also amiss, since your clear implication is that anyone that thinks for themselves on this issue and who may have a view different somewhat to the state mandated 'view' is a 'Neo Nazi' with the implication then being anyone that researches this must really want to "murder Jews". Does this gentleman seem such a threat to you? Robert Faurisson Faurisson played an important role in both the 1985 and 1988 "Holocaust trials" in Toronto of Ernst Zundel. His role in those legal battles went far beyond his testimony on the stand as a witness. Especially during the 1985 trial, he spent hundreds of hours -- often working all day and very late into the night -- preparing questions used by defense attorney Doug Christie in his devastating interrogations of Raul Hilberg, Rudolf Vrba and other prosecution witnesses. Faurisson's most important contribution to the defense in the 1988 trial may well have been his key role in securing the participation of Fred Leuchter, an American gas chamber specialist. Faurisson played an important role in arranging for Leuchter's on-site investigation in Poland of supposed extermination gas chambers, and in making public the American"s remarkable findings. Much about Faurisson"s role in the 1988 "Holocaust trial" in Toronto, Canada, can be found in the 562-page book edited and compiled by Barbara Kulaszka, Did Six Million Really Die?: Report of the Evidence in the Canadian 'False News' Trial of Ernst Z"ndel. For years various government agencies and influential organizations have waged a concerted campaign to silence him. He has been obliged to defend himself many times in French courts for his forthright writings and statements. He has had to contend with numerous court convictions. His bank account has been frozen, and court officials have repeatedly visited his home threatening him and his wife with seizure of their furniture to pay for financial "damages" imposed for his "heretical" remarks. Because of this campaign, his family life has been repeatedly disrupted and thrown into turmoil. His health has suffered terribly. For his views Faurisson has repeatedly been a victim of physical assault. Between November 1978 and May 1993 he was a victim of ten attacks, at least nine of them carried out by Jewish thugs. None of the criminal assailants in any of these assaults has ever been brought to justice. The most savage was a nearly fatal attack on September 16, 1989, for which a group calling itself "The Sons of the Memory of the Jews" claimed responsibility. http://www.revisionists.com... How about this man? He uses a pen and makes up his own mind. This is how desperate some are to silence a man doing that... Ernst Z"ndel Three documented assassination attempts by fire and pipe bombs. Endless legal harassment leading to repeated jailings and bankrupting of his graphic arts business. Jailed for more than 7 years in Canada, in the USA, in Canada again and finally in Germany, just for speaking the truth. To this day, he is efficiently gagged by the German authorities who monitor his every word. Haviv Schieber Driven to attempted suicide Background and contribution: A Polish Jew and former mayor of Ber Sheeba in Israel, Schieber taught Ernst Z"ndel much about Israeli reality. He was an Israeli Revisionist, wanting to revise Israel's attitudes, institutions and borders. He fled Israel to find safety in the USA, was denied political asylum at first, and tried to take his life by slashing his wrists at Washington, D.C. airport on the day of his deportation. He was finally allowed refuge from Israeli persecution in the US in the early 1970s. Is this not 'hate'? Francois Duprat Killed for distributing the French language version of "Did Six Million Really Die?" Background and contribution: A French writer, historian and educator, Duprat had introduced the booklet "Did Six Million Really Die?" in France by publishing the first French translation. He also published "The Mystery of the Gas Chamber." He was only 38 years old when his car was blown up by a bomb and he was assassinated on March 18, 1978. His wife, who was with him in the car, lost the use of her legs in this terrorist act. Two Jewish groups took credit for the assassination - the "Jewish Remembrance Commando" and another group who identified itself as ". . . Jewish Revolutionary Group." The assassins were never found. http://www.zundelsite.org...