The Biblical God is Immoral

I am truly sorry. I have always been annoyed at people who do this. But nevertheless, I thank my opponent again for their kind nature. "First, I don't have the BOP to explain why killing someone for working on Sunday is immoral. " Not true. My opponent shouldn't just quote some Bible verse and think that is all they have to do in this debate. They need to show why they think the Bible verse is evidence for the supposed immorality of God. "Nobody would say that killing their neighbor for working on Sunday is reasonable or moral. " It would depend on who the neighbor was (Hitler? ) and it would also depend on other factors such as if they were obeying the law or not. "For some reason, it is claimed that this is the one exception. Apologists try to invent reasons, completely outside of the Bible, to justify why people should die for working on Sunday. Any explanation that Con gives is either something he made up or something he heard from someone that made it up. " Not even close to being true. My opponent just does not recognize what I said (it did come from the Bible) simply because they only read one verse out of context and somehow concluded that God was immoral. By the way, this is something atheists do all the time. They take verses out of context and irritate the stew out of Christians. "Con asked me to define moral. " I actually asked for a definition of the word "immoral. " But I would guess the definition would be the opposite of the one given. "That is correct; that is exactly what the Bible says. There is an invalidated presupposition that the Bible is correct so those verses are no good for the purposes of this debate. " First of all, this is a double standard since the whole debate does apparently presuppose that the Bible is correct. If it isn't, then you would have no argument since you used a single Bible verse to support your position. Why can my opponent use Bible verses and why can't I? Also, I could say something similar to what you said. Ignoring the Bible presupposes that the Bible is incorrect. But since the Bible was was written by people who knew God/Jesus/People that knew people who knew Jesus/brothers of Jesus, I can determine that they knew something about the nature of God/Jesus. There is no reason to reject what was written. By the way, I would have no issue discrediting the Koran. The man who wrote it actually thought demons were speaking to him when he was originally writing the book. "Con seems to think it was my mistake to assume it was self-evident that it would be wrong to murder someone for working on a particular day. " The verse mentioned nothing about murder. The death was simply a just execution. I can only recall one instance where this law was carried out. And that was right after the law was given to the people. There was a man who instantly when out and collected sticks for work. Back then, this would have been the equivalent of someone giving the finger to God. Since there were multiple witnesses (as required by the law), he was put to death to show that God and the law was important and good. Remember, when someone disobeys God, they are rejecting all things good. "Yes, I think murdering someone for working on Sunday is the same as killing them for no reason. " But it wasn't for no reason. The people (I can only think of one instance where it happened) wee killed for breaking the Sabbath which was "part of the overall moral, legal, and sacrificial system by which the Jewish people satisfied God's requirements for behavior, government, and forgiveness of sins. The Sabbath was part of the Law in that sense. In order to "remain" in favor with God, you had to also keep the Sabbath. If it was not kept, then the person was in sin and would often be punished" (carm. org). I am re-posting that quote sine my opponent never responded to it. "For some reason, he had to rest from his exhaustion and if any one of his much loved children does anything other than rest on every Sunday, they will be killed. I am saying that, in that situation, it is immoral. " God didn't rest on the Sabbath because he was tired. Look who is making up stuff about the Bible now. Since God never gets tired (Isaiah 40:28), we know that God rested on the Sabbath in order to set the example that the people were to follow. And no one mentioned anything about killing children. This was a law that established the covenant that the people had with God. If you rejected that, then you also rejected all the gifts that God offers humans (including life). "Lets hypothetically pretend that I told my kids they cannot work on my birthday because that is the tradition in our family. If I catch my son cleaning his room, would you consider it morally justifiable to kill him? " Of course not. The Sabbath law has been done away with (Col 2:16) since Jesus has died for us. The Sabbath represented the rest and the holiness we would find in Jesus. And the fact is that even when the law was in place, it represented part of the overall moral, legal, and sacrificial system by which the Jewish people satisfied God's requirements for behavior, government, and forgiveness of sins. When you rejected this back then, you also rejected good behavior, and God's forgiveness of sins. When you do that, bad things happen. Instead of being forgiven (due to the rejection), you get the punishment. "Even if Con can somehow argue that working on Sunday was a travesty, he also has to explain why execution is a reasonable punishment for that crime". " I have explained this twice already, but the Sabbath represented the things God had done for his people. .. when people rejected that they were also rejecting all of the gifts of God including life. "So in other words, God tells his people that he wants them to remember how much he provides rest to them and that they need to recognize they need God in their life but if they don"t in the way that he commands, he will murder them or anyone in their family that disobeys. This does not describe a loving and merciful God in the least; it describes a petty, spiteful and cruel god. " The God you just described would be a horrible being. But that is not the God of the Christian Bible. People are justly punished for breaking laws. The says "therefore you are to observe the Sabbath, for it is holy to you. Everyone who profanes it shall surely be put to death; for whoever does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from among his people. " The day was a single day where people where to act in a holy manner. It was a day that needed to be good since the people were so sinful the other days of the week. It was a more important day than you may realize. "Obviously, I love my children much more than the Christian god loves his children because I would never kill them over some trifle offense. " Nothing about the offense was trifle. I would recommend my opponent read the Bible before making such accusations. "Remember, mothers, fathers, sons and daughters were actually killed for working on a Sunday. " This is an unsupported assertion. God actually showed loads of mercy to his people. like i already said, I can only think of one instance where someone was put to death for violating this law and that happened right after the law was given.