Nihilism

"A very simple answer from my side: give me any situation, any action and I can give you a negative result." >> Wow, hold on there. The claim by yours which I negated was not that some negative turn out can be found but that every turn out is negative. That is what you said. All you've done here is repeat what I have actually said. There are potential negative turnouts and potential positive turnouts. We have an intrinsic purpose to pursue the positive. "There is no such thing as pure positivity, from which, I might add, I never stated there was no such thing as positivity. I merely stated there was nothing like pure (mark my words) positivity. I acknowledge the opposite being true, as well." >> This is precisely where you fail. You're assertion that there is no "pure positivity", whether true or false is pointless because you have stated very clearly here that positivity does exist and have not once refuted that we have an intrinsic purpose to pursue it. This means the Nihilistic philosophy falls apart. "They are unconnected because they are two answers to both of your statements. And you may not have inherited any of their ideals, but you have inherited a part of their way of living, through how you were raised. It is only natural to adept to your surroundings and take over certain activities and actions the people around you perform. " >> Whether that is true or not, we do not always, and neither should we always, do what is natural. "It matters because you don't have control over all aspects of your life, and as such, if you were raised in a certain manner, you will behave in a certain manner, for example in a depressing way." >> Oh come on. Man up to the facts. You can't blame everyone for your own problems. This is precisely why you have yet to fix the problems; not because they can't be fixed, they certainly can, but because you haven't realized where they all come from. Your family isn't the problem, Nihilism is the problem. You act like Nihilism is the realization of all this despair that can't be avoided, but that couldn't be farther from the truth, it is the SOURCE of the despair itself. "Fourthly, it is wrong to always be wanting more. In fact, I believe it is one of the seven deadly sins, namely Greed." >> Besides the paradox of a Nihilist believing in sins, this is precisely one of the reasons you are so depressed. You OBVIOUSLY DO want things or else you would have already killed yourself. There is nothing wrong or immoral about selfishness, my friend. Why are you doing this debate? Because you wanted to. Why do you eat? Because you want to. Why do you associate with others? Because you want to. Why do you do ANYTHING AT ALL? Because you want to. Why do you want to? Because it makes you...happy? YES, happy! Fulfilling these desires makes you HAPPY! To not fulfill them means more misery. You are an individual conscious entity who intrinsically knows in of his own being that some feelings are good and some are bad. You pursue the good! But your philosophy is holding you back from doing this because it denies that the pursuit is even valid, a proclamation for which it has a complete absence of reason and refuses to even address. You want happiness, correct? To say no is insanity. To say yes but call yourself immoral for it is incredible ignorance. "Dissatisfaction leads to different images on life, trying to solve your dissatisfaction by making up new things, like some religions or moral beliefs." >> Guess what man! You actually can solve those dissatisfactions! And without the need for any baseless religious beliefs. You DO NOT need religion to have morality. Morality is implied by reason. It is implied by self-evidences and axioms. I used to be on the edge of suicide, now I am the happiest person I know! And I am not stretching that to sound better for the debate! Ask around on this site, I'm Mr.Happypants. "It might be natural, that doesn't exclude the fact that it is still a sin. To always want better things, no matter the consequences, leads to madness and eventually, destruction of that person's consciousness." >> Woe, woe woe. To want things to be better no matter the consequences?? You don't see the paradox of that? You can never want things to be better IN SPITE of consequences because wanting them to be better at all is IN LIGHT of the consequences. What you said makes no sense. Better consequences is the bottom line, period. "They want to stop it because according to the brain it might be dangerous for the body. It isn't thinking any heroï¿½c things like "Oh, let's not kill that guy because he is human even though he will kill me otherwise.". Nope, all it thinks is "Kill, then get the F*CK out!". I'd say that is immoral." >> That is completely baseless!! There IS this actuall thing that exists called EMPATHY. It DOES have people place others BEFORE themselves. THIS HAPPENS. And this is a very good thing. Because embracing empathy creates a much happier and stable person, not only biologically but environmentally as well. "I have never stated otherwise, but that just doesn't matter. For this subject, it doesn't matter what causes the other emotions, because I only stated there not being anything like genuine love. That the same feeling can be felt for anyone in any emotion is irrelevant. The subject is love, and the question is if true love exists." >> Oh? You stated it? I'm so sorry, excuse me. I didn't realize you were God and everything you say correct...IT IS BASELESS. Whatever you mean by "true love" is semantical but love DOES exist, it IS good and having a life filled with it DOES create a more fulfilled life. So what you say here in no way refutes the point I was making. "The main purpose of a being is to survive. We human beings have done something slightly different. We do not just want to survive, we want to live happily, which is a feeling based off of survival. In short, the main purpose of our beings is still survival." >> Oh wow, I can't tell you how strange this is for me. This is EXACTLY what I would tell myself before. It is sad and wrong. First off, you just flat-out said we have a purpose which refutes your entire stance on this debate. Second, you're wrong; saying the we have a purpose to survive because that's how things work in nature to create higher life-forms and that's what are basic nature is would again be committing the naturalistic fallacy. Nature IS based off of survival and reproduction but IS NOT based off of reason. The goal of nature is not to create the most reasonable life-form, even though it's possible that may occur do to that life-form having the best survival and reproduction odds. HOWEVER, morality IS based off of reason and IS NOT based off of survival and reproductions. What is right and wrong is not based on what is natural, it is based on what is reasonable. Nature and morality MAY coincide but do not ALWAYS. Many times nature is moral, such as in the case of empathy. Many times it is not, such as in the case of violence. "Not wanting anything means happinness. If you have no need for anything, that means you arealways satisfied and thus always relatively happy. Seems logical to me." >> Wrong, I'll use the point system again. Not wanting anything means you always have a 0. Wanting things and fulfilling them means you will have a +1 or higher. "If you do not feel anything, you cannot feel the positivity or negativity you got in your previous life. Therefore, it doesn't matter what you do in life, as any feeling gotten in life is quickly swept away by death. The ultimate end that exists for all beings in creation doesn't judge. It simply throws our lives away. Everyone, no matter the circumstances, feels the same in death." >> NO! Did everything I say there phase right through you? Death doesn't take away from the score because it isn't negative, it is 0. I'd reply more but I have ran out room.