The Following Argument(s) for the Existence of God are Valid - 1F

Argument from FT presupposes human existence/earth is crucial or necessary for the universe" I will tell you what I meant by my argument I was talking about the idea of intelligent design. The car takes intelligent design to be created same with the Earth please DO NOT put words into my mouth but since it seems your so insistent on trying to tell me what I meant why dont you tell me why my argument presupposes human life is necessary for the universe to exist. "My opponent responds to all my arguments saying "I never said this", or "I never said that"" I did never say that the human are necessary for the existence of the universe. I find it funny how you keep trying to tell me what my argument meant. "He is jumping around" I am not jumping around I stated a fact, now you do not know how to deal with it. "Instead of humans existing on it, there could very well just have been an alien species. Or no life at all! In fact, it's completely plausible that the universe could be TOTALLY BARREN." Okay, where did the aliens come from? If there was no life where did life come from? "The number of possibilities may seem totally enormous for us, but given the fact that HUMANS ALREADY EXIST, the probability that the physical constants are just right is 100%." It just happens to be 100% right? that's convenient. So under your argument is it possible for life to exist on Venus? (I am just wondering) "if someone where to go up to you and ask why sausages were made long and narrow so that they could fit into modern hotdog buns, you'd slap them for asking the wrong question. Sausages weren't made how they are for modern hotdog buns - the BUNS were made/adapted for the hotdog! Similarly, the universe isn't fine-tuned for the benefits of humans, it's the humans who were adapted or a product of the universe!" If somebody asked me why sausages were made long and narrow so they could fit into modern hotdog buns, I would say that that is how some guy designed them. I understand the hotdog buns were made afterwards but your argument doesn't do anything but strengthen my own argument. As you can see both the hotdog and the hotdog bun were created with intelligent design. Thanks for proving my point. "And if you were to actually read MY argument, you would realize that when I referred to "God", I specifically meant the one you defined. The properties you stated -- which I included in my argument -- was that it's infinite, omnipotent, and omnipresent." Yes, the Christian God is infinite,omnipotent, and omnipresent but in my first argument I was arguing for a God in general not the Christian God. My second argument explains why the Christian God is the probable God to have created it. I feel like I am repeating myself since you do not seem to understand. " They were ALL AGAINST your initial definition of a "God"" I am arguing for the existence the a Christian God. The definitions are just some of the properties of God. If you don't disprove the Christian God you cannot disprove its properties. "And what part of the passage would demonstrate that the Bible purports the Earth to be circular (actually more like a sphere)? It stated that "he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth", but NOT that the Earth is a circle..." My opponent does not seem to be using common sense here but I will address the argument anyways. He says that the earth is more of a sphere then it is circular, well here is one of the definitions of circle. 1.Circle-a sphere or orb: the circle of the earth. http://dictionary.reference.com... 2.Circle- something in the form of a circle or section of a circle: as a: diadem b: an instrument of astronomical observation the graduated limb of which consists of an entire circle c: a balcony or tier of seats in a theater d: a circle formed on the surface of a sphere by the intersection of a plane that passes through it e: rotary 2 4: an area of action or influence http://www.merriam-webster.com... "..."he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth", but NOT that the Earth is a circle..." Really? What do you possibly think this verse is talking about? "Just look at the phrasing; why would one say the circle of the Earth?" Please explain what else this verse means. " It stated that Daniel (I think) "saw a tree of great height at the centre of the earth...reaching with its top to the sky and visible to the earth's farthest bounds." If Earth was flat, this would be possible - but since it's spherical this is NOT possible at all." The term earth has many different meanings for the word earth. For example it used to be very common for people to use the term earth meaning land or area or nation. You took that verse out of context also different translations of the bible says land instead of earth even though in the context of the verse land and earth means the same thing. Some other definitions of earth. Earth-: areas of land as distinguished from sea and air http://www.merriam-webster.com... 2.Earth-Archaic. a land or country. Daniel 4:4-10 "I, Nebuchadnezzar, was at home in my palace, contented and prosperous. 5 I had a dream that made me afraid. As I was lying in my bed, the images and visions that passed through my mind terrified me. 6 So I commanded that all the wise men of Babylon be brought before me to interpret the dream for me. 7 When the magicians, enchanters, astrologers [a] and diviners came, I told them the dream, but they could not interpret it for me. 8 Finally, Daniel came into my presence and I told him the dream. (He is called Belteshazzar, after the name of my god, and the spirit of the holy gods is in him.) 9 I said, "Belteshazzar, chief of the magicians, I know that the spirit of the holy gods is in you, and no mystery is too difficult for you. Here is my dream; interpret it for me. 10 These are the visions I saw while lying in my bed: I looked, and there before me stood a tree in the middle of the land. Its height was enormous." Notice how in this translation it says in the middle of the "LAND". "Referring to space? Or how about metaphorical lingo? These verses are so vague that it could mean a myriad of things - you just conveniently tie it with a scientific fact" Please explain to me how this verse is metaphorical lingo. Also what else can this verse possibly be talking about? "HE HANGS THE EARTH ON NOTHING." "Is my opponent really saying that people back then had no clue of how rivers and the wind worked? Of course, they might not understand the complex physical processes involved, but to say they don't know that smaller bodies of water (rivers) run into larger bodies of water is a far stretch." I am sorry to disappoint you but the ancients did not know how the rivers or the wind ran. "Sure, they may not know how wind was created or where it comes from, but I'd say it's pretty common sense to know that the wind can blow FORWARD and BACKWARDS respective towards you." Again the verse didn't simply say that the winds goes forward and backwards it was very specific. Ecclesiastes 1:6-7 The wind goeth toward the south, and turneth about unto the north; it whirleth about continually, and the wind returneth again according to his circuits. As you can see this is very specific and very accurate you are just unwilling to admit it. You simply just like to disregard it as "vague" but as you can this verse is very straightforward.