pedophilia

If you are referring to some alternate universe in which age does not exists, then it's not part of this debate because our world considers age of consent a requirement for the harm it does to children. (Please refer to my previous round regarding studies of harm to children in sexual abuse cases. Please note, that sexual activity from a pedophile with a minor is considered sexual abuse). If you wanted to make a "no age consent fantasy world" part of your theme, you would have had to state it in your opening statement. Please refrain from making that mistake again because I have addressed it before & now, again. You are deflecting from the topic when you begin to refer to, "Sex is a beneficial and healthy action ..." considering the proven harm and existing laws re sex with minors. Laws, your use of "discrimination" in this context, were established because of the harm to kids. Please provide a reliable source for your claim of, " It (anti-pedophilia laws & sexual abuse of a minor) is only bringing us closer to our doom." Same re your next claim of, "The division of humanity ..." in relation to pedophilia. You say, "We deserve better as living things on this earth." I must ask you don't the kids deserve the same? But aas humans. we are supposed to have the capability to make decisions that should only promote well being of everyone. You are promoting a selfish desire for a small segment, while wanting to hurt a larger segment. How does that figure with, "We, (children included) deserve better ...." Is, "all this false reality is madness ..." actually mad, or is your false sense of reality mad? Society deems what is harmful, & makes corrective action re the harmful effects to the innocent. Perversion of those laws hurt those innocents. (See my second response for details). But too late for what I ask you? Answering a direct question with deflection is not an answer. Please address my original question. This is the third request. As far as what is normal ... cultures make rules for the betterment of the whole, & so as the innocents are not harmed. That's the normal you are referring to I believe. Your example of "homosexuals .... normal/abnormal" hs nothing to do with harm to the children. What ou are referring to is consenting ADULTS, not kids. So, your argument has nothing to do with this debate. The same goes for the rest of your paragraph. With one exception .... Your, "Which leads the rest of us stranded in uncertainty and victims on abuse and personal hatred," comes from the absolute scholarly backed fact that child abuse in any form, especially sexual, comes from the fact that it is against the law, harms those kids, is one of the most selfish acts anyone can do re only gratification the pedophile, & many other valid reasons. "Free thinking" has nothing to do with minor sexual abuse. Free thinkking may reject religious & political norms, but has nothing to do with actual harm to children. The APA (I think you erred with your spelling regarding the American Psychiatric Association) Their purpose: Our mission is to advance the creation, communication and application of psychological knowledge to benefit society and improve people's lives. We do this by: Encouraging the development and application of psychology in the broadest manner. Promoting research in psychology, the improvement of research methods and conditions and the application of research findings. Improving the qualifications and usefulness of psychologists by establishing high standards of ethics, conduct, education and achievement. Increasing and disseminating psychological knowledge through meetings, professional contacts, reports, papers, discussions and publication. https://www.google.com... I do not see where they wish to, "... brainwash the population ..." or, "... treat people with hatred and disrespect ..." Please provide a reliable universally accepted source re your allegations. Please also show reliable sources for your accusation of, " Most of their (APA) "findings are based on personal preferences and prejudiced." Would I be correct in assuming that the APA findings with years of study regarding sexually abused children to be a complete lie as you insinuate here? Yes, we have thought for ourselves for thousands (not millions as you have stated) and have learned how certain behaviors of some hurt others. Sexual abuse of minors is just one thing we have learned thru time. If you believe your government does not have the right to make laws to protect innocent children from harm, you may want to move where this is allowed. You say that, "... these "laws" are not in favour of the people..." Are children not people? Do these laws not protect children from the harm sexual abuse causes? You also state that, "... the government giving in to political pressure ..." regarding sexual predators. I believe the overwhelming majority o the citizens will agree that sexual abuse of a minor is wrong & should be punished thru the laws. If you have any data refuting this claim, please provide it. And while you ae at it, please provide reliable sourcing to back up your accusation above. You even go as far to say, "... whoever can pay the most (bribe) money ..." re keeping officials in place that uphold anti-sexual abuse. And I state this because your inference during this discussion has dealt with sexual encounters with minors is acceptable. Please provide a source for this also. Your statement of, "To judge those who are different than you ..." only includes your perception of normal. It does not take into account the harm it does regarding children. So yes, child sexual abusers are judged because of thee harm it does to kids. There is no true democracy BTW. True democracy is rule by the majority's desires regardless of the ill effects that majority chooses to impose. Ummm, God will not help your efforts to sexually abuse kids. Sorry, but your claim regarding the APA, "... stated that homosexuality is a mental disorder," is false. "The American Psychological Association recommended to the World Health Organization that the category of classifications on psychological and behavioral disorders associated with sexual development and orientation (F66) be deleted from ICD-10," in 2000 & once again in 2009. https://www.google.com... So I must ask you why you hve even addressed this issue if they have promoted this position for years. Please tell me of one country that approves of sexual abuse of children, since you've brought up the 7 plus billion people in the world. Your statement of, "I do not have a mental disorder." Many people are in complete denial of their mental problems. You evidently are one of them. Your condition has been diagnosed as a disorder in all of developed countries worldwide. You say you fight for the rights of the "common man." Is not a child a common man? Should someone be punished for following their belief that the white or any race is the only one that should survive when they kill people of the other race? That's what you are saying here with your, "Nobody deserves to be persecuted for their beliefs no matter if you agree with what they believe in or not." Why is it perfectly fine for you to sexually abuse a child, which is against the law, & not to break other laws re what some person believes? Both are against the law, both harm innocents. Your, "There is no such thing as "sexual abuse survivors." Please provide reliable documentation from a scholarly source to prove that point. While you're at it,prove that entire paragraph is sound re historical & proven data. Your claims are only your personal opinion, which if not reliable, it cannot be taken as valid. "Age does not exist." there you go again with a incorrect statement. Your, "There is no harm caused by sex between two (or more) human beings. Sex is not "detrimental" to anybody. It is natural fun and exciting experience that should be embraced, not abhorred," has been proven false in every respect regarding children exposed to sexual experiences. You say that, "Only the conservative or "Christian" ideology would teach something like that." Please tell me why liberal states & countries have laws against sex with minors. Once again, personal opinion means nothing in a debate if not sourced reliably. Please provide any reliable info regarding your, "... leftover idea of the dark ages ..." regarding child sexual abuse. I must question your reading comprehension when you state, " There is no "detrimental outcome" to people who have sex," when a child is involved, or anyone that is incapable of making the right decision be it too drunk, or limited mental capacity, etc. You treat this as if there is only one person involved, & that's thee child predator abusing the child sexually. You finish with, "They live their lives in the past, but we the people are the future," with regards to children being sexually abused. Please tell me what "people" are you referring to in the 21century? Who are all these great number of people advocating sex with a child? Please provide accurate data.