If you believe in the god of the bible, Then you have no free will, None

You must be fun at parties. Ok, So to start off you just personally attack a source I just referenced for more information, He wasn't even part of my argument. Then you spend the next 2 paragraphs on a tangent about faith. This is a debate about free will, Stay on topic (however you force me to address this later on). So you proceed to talk about the title, And all I was saying is that believing in God doesn't determine whether you have free will or not. If I believe in God, But he doesn't exist, Then my belief has no affect on my free will or with disbelief in God if he is not real. As for the videos, I tried to watch them so, Again I'm sorry but I'm not watching them. This is a debate between us anyways, Using those videos to argue for you is just lazy. Now, As for Galatians 5:13, To throw it out is just ludicrous. It is to entirely ignore the Christian belief of biblical inerrancy. You ask a Christian to give you biblical evidence, Understand that the Christian sees the entire Bible as wholly inspired by God. So the idea that you can throw the verse out because it was not God himself saying it is just inaccurate. Now you proceed to talk about how no Christian you've ever talked to doesn't believe in free will while the vast majority of Christians believe in free will, I personally know of Christians who don't. You then quote my statement on my beliefs of free will then make an unsubstantiated assertion that I'm wrong, That's nice but show me proof in the Bible. You proceed to talk about the nonexistence of the old law and you are gravely mistaken. The laws of the old testament were fulfilled with Jesus' death and only the laws stated in the new testament still apply today. That is fundamental Christian theology, And the fact that you debate that with an unsubstantiated assertion is astounding. Now as for death not being a choice, It is a choice. It's not a choice you like, But it is a choice. To claim otherwise is at best lying to yourself, And at worst intellectually dishonest. The definition of will is "the faculty by which a person decides on and initiates an action. " That is what we're debating, Whether that faculty is controlled directly by God or whether we directly control it. Not whether you think a set of choices is just or unjust, But rather do we freely choose between every choice we are given. My position is not that God gives us choices which seem fair to us throughout this life, Or that we can fully act on every impulse we have, Rather that God has given us the ability to make decisions and thoughts by our own doing, He does not control those faculties. To put it succinctly, We are only as free as is necessary for us to freely follow or to stray from God. Considering that is done through our souls and not our bodies, None of these objections about physical choices hold water. You proceed to go on a tangent asking why would anyone want to follow God and since it is irrelevant I'm just ignoring it. You attack my quote on God's free will without substantiation making a textbook example of the appeal to authority fallacy, So there is nothing there for me to address. You then flip out because I misspoke and said the wrong omni word, Sue me. Change omniscient to omnipotent and it's addressing the exact point you were making. You then complain about my wording about evil and free will and just refer me to a video, Tell me the argument yourself instead of just pointing to a video, And once again you make an appeal to authority fallacy by saying this argument is thousands of years old. You then say I become self defeating because I believe that God can know what we will do and that what we do is still free. But the knowledge of one's action's doesn't mean one's actions are not free. The knowledge of an action is just that, The knowledge of it. It has no bearing unless directly acted upon on whether the action is free or not. After that you bring up if, God knows what we'll do when we're here, Then why have us here at all. You call us God's playthings but I just don't believe that is true. That implies that we are forced by God to do things and that is the topic for the debate. As for the question of why have us here at all, It is part of God's ultimate justice. If God were to send souls away without there being something other than the soul itself to judge us on, It would be immoral. For him to send us away justly, He must have a reason to judge against us, Without this world there is nothing to judge us on. God doesn't say he is evil in the Bible though if you have a verse I'd be more than happy to read it. That said, You keep saying God is evil and all of that, But what do you have to base that assertion on? If God is real then he sets the ultimate good or he wouldn't be God. Thereby your claim that God is evil requires an objective set of value that could only be found in a perfectly good and divine being like God for him to be considered evil. After that you ask what good is it that free causes evil. You ask what good can God giving us the capabilities of evil do. God made us free so that we could freely follow him as, Like I asked before, What good is the love of puppets. In order for us to truly be free he must allow us to stray from him and all that is good. It isn't just that suffering is a teacher and can bring us closer to God, Which it can and does, Rather in order for us who to truly follow God freely he must allow us to freely choose to not follow him. As for what can we learn from suffering, We learn that our sins or sin in general has consequences. On top of that, If Christianity is true our goal is not comfort and happiness in this life, Rather to experience that joy and happiness in heaven for eternity. You assume God cannot have morally sufficient reasons to allow suffering, And you refuse to even think it is a possibility. Now you quote my statement about in order for us to be free he must allow us to freely do evil and you ask why not. Allow me to answer your question with a question, How could we truly be free, If we were not free think, Believe, And attempt at evil things? It is not that God could not do it if logically possible, It is that the idea of freely being forced to choose good everytime, Is just nonsense. We cannot be freely forced to good, It is self-contradictory. As for Molina, You say nothing of the arguments he makes. You just claim he got them from creationism and is therefore wrong, Thereby you just commit the genetic fallacy. Ok, For this next part you really make a leap in logic. God cannot make a self-contradiction, To do so is logically impossible. It is not that God lacks the power to do so, It is that the idea of such a thing is purely absurd. My point is that nothing about free will logically requires we be entirely free in every way. As for someone or something not being in God's plan, Everything is part of or permitted by his plan. The latter is pivotal, It isn't that evil or anything in particular is part of his plan, Rather it is allowed for his plan to come into fruition. The next part is absolutely absurd. I am talking about the Christian worldview in order to explain how free will and God are coherent, You take that to use an entirely irrelevant quote just to make another attack at Christianity as a whole. Now, As for free will in heaven, My answer I don't know whether we have free will in heaven as we think of it here, I'm not there. My opinion however is that being in the presence of God alongside having rid ourselves of the flesh, We just simply will have no desire to sin. I know you will say something to the affect of "why doesn't he do that here, And my answer is that he wants us to freely follow him and by constantly being here in order to take away sin would make us less free. That said my position is I don't know what will happen in heaven, I have no way of knowing, But I don't see the unknown of what's to come as a reason to throw the idea of God and heaven altogether. I know there was stuff I missed but it was irrelevant information or just more vitriolic attacks at Christians or God. I just want to finish by saying this, Stay on topic. Arguments about whether God is moral in the Bible or why would anyone want to worship God may be good debate subjects, But they are wholly irrellevant to the idea of free will and God. As such they deserve to be debated elsewhere as part of a larger subject such as morality as a whole or as the subjects themselves. I am sure you will go on to claim how I am just ignorant and can't understand your mental strength about how they are related. . . Yada yada, But if there is any part of you that values logic, Reasoning, And the truth more than your want to spew hatred against God and Christians, Stay on topic. I don't have my expectations set real high though. After a there is a reason you have lost 63 of the deabtes you've done and you've only won 3. Prove me wrong here, Prove to me that you can stay on task and that you value intellectual integrity. Or don't, You have the free will to make that choice, Just like once you do you have the consequences of losing or drawing all but 4% of your debates.