Same-sex marriage

I'm sure there are a lot of things you don't expect that happen around you, but the world doesn't revolve around you. If you have a problem with me arguing my own personal motivations, you can concede at any time. I just thought the topic was one that seems to be garnishing a fair amount of press lately: If two consenting adults want to be married, where is that ANYONE else's business, especially some random politician's, but their own? It's offensive and "morally" wrong? Morality is usually associated with religion and how right and wrong are godly and religious concepts. In those cases, leave it up to God and our Government to make love illegal and immoral, lol. Back to the debate... "Piercings, tatoos, public breastfeeding, and pornography stores don't harm anyone." Would a Marketing or Consulting firm hire a salesperson or project manager with tattoos all over their face or neck, or even arms? How would that portray the professional attitude the client seeks to represent THEIR firm? There is a reason corporate employees wear suits and get $70 dollar haircuts and drive what they do and live where they live and dine where they dine. Image. To be taken seriously where it counts today, where the money and a truly comfortable life exist, you need to act and look a certain way. Yes, tattoos and piercings don't physically harm anyone, but are offensive to many and can DEFINITELY be financially harmful to the bearer. Public breastfeeding is extremely offensive to some, especially most males. Breasts, regardless of their useful "mid-day lunchables" purpose, are generally thought of as sexual in nature. I realize it's "natural" and that "the baby has to eat", but I cannot simply whip out my ding-a-ling and start urinating in one of the trees at the mall, regardless of how natural it is. Also, if it's SO natural, then why are women forced to wear bras, and bikini tops in public? If it's SO not a big deal then why don't we all just walk around naked, I mean that's how "god" initially intended us to be, right? Porno stores? Do I even have to MENTION how inappropriate they are? I guess so. Sex creates overpopulation, diseases, causes divorce, causes murders and suicides, causes car accidents, causes other crimes, and people to hurt each other. It causes people to have a skewed view of what's acceptable in society. It also causes babies. It causes marriages. It causes love. Anything can be looked at from a positive or negative standpoint, but if it is generally looked at from the latter, and is treated as such for centuries, it is generally not without good reason. Sure, suburbia has it's own socially acceptable private prescription drug addictions, and oddball fetishes among other frowned-upon activities, but they're kept behind closed doors for a reason; they're PRIVATE and nobody else's business. You mention in so many words that you do not condone Latin immigration from the south, but you can accept immigrants from N. Korea? Well, why? Because they're farther away? Because the chance of those people making it here is slim, so you can accept that, knowing it probably won't happen? Would you be ok with Canadians doing it, because they speak our language already, and look like us? What about FRENCH Canadians who don't talk like we do? What about any WHITE person? You think Mexicans aren't oppressed? What makes two unemployed people any less unemployed? What are you saying, that they are taking all of those great landscaping laborer, dish-washing, car-washing, janitorial, and carpet-laying jobs that America's unemployed are just chomping at the bit to get hired for? You may not realize the MILES and YEARS of bureaucratic policy that are involved in becoming a legal citizen, not to mention the ENORMOUS legal fees that they can't afford in first place working for $5hr. They do what we feel are jobs beneath us, with pride. The same pride our factory workers used to have before their jobs got shipped overseas to your buddies in Korea. You said the word "Morality", (which is simply knowing the difference between right and wrong, and has NOTHING to do directly with religion,) three times in your first paragraph. Then saying, "When something doesn't do much harm, justifying something is very easy." You say the word "something" twice there, but don't mention what that "something" is. So, by your rationale: "Oh, it's ok, I'm not going to shoot the ENTIRE SCHOOL, just a FEW of the students and teachers. There's a lot I'm NOT going to shoot, so I can justify the ones I do." "It's just four or five airplanes we're going to blow up, and like a few THOUSAND people. So what, there are THOUSANDS of planes and BILLIONS of people! It's ok, it's not going to do MUCH harm on the whole, so I can TOTALLY justify it!" "...marriages between couples with one infertile partner...would have to be forbidden under this argument." I said WISH to create another life. If one or the other wasn't interested in creating a child, then how would they have found out they can't without first wanting to, and trying? And you're absolutely right, I should have said a relationship is GENERALLY to create a bond strong enough to create a child, thank you for arguing the semantics of my wording. And WHY has marriage ALWAYS been between two people? Why NOT a person and an animal? And if it's two people you're ok with, then why not a 42 year old man and a 6 year old girl? Or boy? Why is THAT not ok? A gay couple cannot make a child. A human and an animal cannot make a child. An adult and a child do not make a happy, healthy child. But, a man and a woman? Anatomically? No problem at all. Regardless of special circumstances, you need a male penis, and a female vagina. "Do you know of the high suicide rates among openly gay students?" So, you're proving my point that being gay will inevitably attract ridicule and physical, emotional, and verbal abuse if it's openly displayed. Nobody is saying don't be gay, but then take into account that poor straight child whose parents are gay. How will he or she be treated by those other terrible children? A gay couple will more than likely want to have a child, because they certainly CAN, but is that selfish on their part, since they KNOW how that child will be treated, regardless of how they handle it or turn out in the end. What if it's bullied to death? They KNOW it will be tormented, and right there are your morals: whether or not they know right and wrong will affect another person and they choose the negative result for their own personal satisfaction. "Lots of things are offensive to some people. Some people would find eating pork to be offensive. We aren't rushing to ban bacon, though. PDA is something that nobody likes, regardless of sexual orientation." I think that if tasteful in nature, MOST people will smile and appreciate displays of affection, much like how they will smile and want to interact with a playful puppy or giggling child. Those who are not pleased with other's affection are generally people who do not receive it themselves. People generally like to be happy and pleased with themselves, so if they see someone else that way, they become pleased as well. Ban bacon? Is it fair to say some feel we should? But if I eat bacon in front of you, and you don't like bacon, you don't have to eat bacon. Or smoke a cigarette. Or dress like a woman. But eating bacon or cross dressing has nothing to do with having intercourse with a member of the same sex. The people who take offense to gay marriage are probably the people who immediately think of the sexual acts they partake in, and much like the breast feeding or porn stores topics, sex has no "moral" place in public society, hetero in nature or otherwise. This is where I feel you are getting off track a bit. Morality is knowing the difference between right and wrong, knowing that one will harm another living creature, and choosing the one that will not. Gay marriage hurts all involved.