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Catholicism is a contradictory religion

the burden is on pro. i propose he pick three examples of supposed contradictions, and i will show how they are not contradictions. i have debated this in the past, and this is how i framed it below. i suppose given it's not my debate we can debate the bible. "in this debate, i am not counting the issues of limbo, or "no salvation outside the catholic church". you would think if the catholic church were not true, that it would have contradicted itself at some point in two thousand years. the only things that count are statements that are authoritative, things that could be considerted "infallible". the pope, intentionally, teaches, the church, on faith and morals. that is the criteria. it includes many councils and other statements by popes. note: -this does not include moral corruption, only official teaching. that means you can't use bad priest, even peodofile priests. it means you can't use the inquisistion where millions were killed by catholics. can't use the sins of past popes. it has to be actual teachings of the church, as said, councils and statements by popes. etc. impeccable v infallble, there's a difference. -since we are comparing official statements, id rather not use the bible either. it's usually too open to interpretation to begin with. we are examining the church's consistency on its own anyway... and you'd think even beyond the bible, it'd have contradicted itself within two thousand years. -also there's a differnce between widespread belief and doctrine. that so many believed the earth was made in six days, that the earth was flat, that man wasn't from apes etc... only shows they are human. it'd make sense at first impression. this isn't doctrine. you have to cite a quote or citation. -there's a difference between practice and doctrine too... preistly celibacy is practice, reading the mass in latin is a practice... etc also try not to be vague. so many claims of contradiction online are superficial. for example, "papal bull regarding jews", without getting into what exactly is contradicting what etc. if possible, find the quote or citation for what you are referring to."
Catholicism is a contradictory religion

=Opening Statement=Welcome to this debate. As you can see/according to the title of the debate I will debate that the religion of Catholicism is a contradictory religion that has been contradicting itself from the time it was established. Since the establishment of the Catholic church they have contradicted its history, the word of God (Bible) and God himself. =Rules= 1. My opponent may not use any profanities. If he/or she does will face disqualifications.2. If my opponent chooses to forfeit the round; he/or she will be disqualified.3. My opponent must provide sources. If he/or she plagiarizes will face disqualifications.4. My opponent must provide credible sources, that means he/or she may not use Wordpress, blogger, Blogspot, these are not credible sources.-good luck to whoever accepts this.
It is never wrong to accept a gift

In response to “SAT-Car Example” As I clarified in Round 2, “the car” does not qualify as a gift if it is contingent upon the fact that the receiver had gotten perfect score on the SAT. It would be more of a reward, which makes it contractual. Also if this act of receiving the gift is harmful to the receiver or the giver, as in, it is not “benign” (one of the definitions I asked to be added in round 1 of gift). In the “Reward for SAT” case, the receiver would be harming his conscious to accept the reward. The gift fails to be a gift as it is not benign and it is not given without exchange (the car being contingent upon the SAT score). The only way the car could qualify as a gift is if the receiver confirmed with the giver that the Car was not contingent upon the SAT score being genuine/perfect. In response to “Jane & John” In regards to John feeling uncomfortable accepting the gift, it fails to be a gift if it causes a significant discomfort, as it is no longer benign to the receiver or the giver. That is why I gave examples of what John must do in order for the “gift” to be considered a gift, otherwise, it is more akin to lying/stealing/swindling, which is not accepting or giving a gift but more comparable to robbery or stealing from charity. In response to “Paul & Anne” If these “gifts” cause harm to Paul, then they also fail to be gifts as they would not be benign. Especially if Anne is maliciously spoiling him like a mother overfeeding her obese child. “Like a Sorites paradox, accepting one gift is fine and logically would be fine with every instance, but in reality many one gifts accepted may develop into over-dependency which would become damaging.” Con’s argument here inherently suggests that at a certain point the gift no longer becomes a gift but a poison as it begins to harm the individual. Then by default it is no longer a gift, the moment it becomes harmful. Final Points “Gift acceptance is not inherently wrong but may be wrong due to the situation such as a person's intent.” Depending on the situation/intent, the gift may not be a gift at all, which is the basis of my argument throughout this debate. To quote myself from round 1: “I would like to further add (to avoid semantical and contextual issues) that a gift in this debate is one that is 1. given willingly, and 2. benign (does not harm the giver or the reciever). Given the context of Con's definition, I think adding these characteristics are fair, as I would hate to have to defend a position where a bullet to the head could be interpreted as a "gift."” As these definitions were not challenged by Con, and indeed, he seems to agree to them in round 2, I believe I have proven the resolution within the terms/definitions provided. I also had great time debating this, and thank Con once more for instigating this debate.
It is never wrong to accept a gift

My opponent states that it is not the acceptance of a gift that is wrong but the intent the receiver has. I would agree that the intent is wrong and there is nothing inherently wrong with accepting a gift. In his situation, a man cheats in SATs, lies to his parents and they offer him a car. I ask my opponent, straightforwardly, is it wrong of the man to accept the gift? Surely the answer is yes *because* the man has bad intent. Although there is nothing inherently wrong with accepting a gift, in this situation it would be wrong to accept it because of the bad intent; without the bad intent i. e. the man tells the truth, then it is permissible. Therefore it is sometimes wrong to accept a gift. My opponent also details about Jane&John that if John feels comfortable then he can accept the gift. Is this to imply that if John doesn"t feel comfortable then he shouldn"t accept the gift? If this is the case then it is true that sometimes it is wrong to accept a gift. In addition, similar to my first point in this round, it is wrong for John to accept Jane"s gifts whatever the reasons may be " whether these are because he should break up first and be comfortable as proposed by my opponent. Another argument to support Con I offer is: Suppose this example " again based on people I know. Paul and Anne are in love and happily together. Anne is totally potty about Paul and showers him with gifts all the time and he gladly accepts them. So much so, that Paul never wants or needs anything. She gives him money, objects (e. g. car, phone, games, furniture etc). As a result of accepting all these gifts, Paul gets used to this treatment and becomes completely dependent on Anne. Now this could end disastrously in some ways; I propose some but there may be more: 1. Anne dies. Paul"s life is shattered and now he has nothing. As a result of Paul"s dependency, he hasn"t learnt how to fend for himself and so he ends up in a mental hospital or old people"s home. Not cool. 2. Because of Paul"s dependency his mind and body deteriorates and so becomes senile or gaga. He"s lost his independence and has become like an invalid child who needs someone to put food in his mouth. Not cool. Thus this argument shows an interesting pattern. I am not arguing that it is wrong of Paul to accept Anne"s individual gifts. Each gift Anne gives to Paul is good; even Paul might think so as he receives them. Like a Sorites paradox, accepting one gift is fine and logically would be fine with every instance, but in reality many one gifts accepted may develop into over-dependency which would become damaging. In summary: It is sometimes wrong to accept gifts because it takes away independence which may lead to health problems. Gift acceptance is not inherently wrong but may be wrong due to the situation such as a person's intent. As this is my last round I am sad to draw this to a close :( .
It is never wrong to accept a gift

Counter-Arguments: While we established that it a true gift does not require a return, and indeed, the return is not even wanted, that does not mean that the favor should not or could not be returned. If my friend buys me dinner and does not expect me to buy him one back, I could still buy him one just because I want to. It is my belief that there are few greater joys than the happiness of giving. And indeed, we established that a true gift is given not out of alternative interests (ie a bribe) but a genuine desire to share something. Secondly, I am not arguing that one must always accept a gift. A gift may be denied if the receiver feels uncomfortable, but the act of recieving a gift itself is not inherently wrong under the contexts of this debate. As in the gift offered by the giver is a "true gift" that is given willingly and is benign to the giver and reciever.Response to Refutations: The SAT example is not pointing out that it is wrong to accept a gift; as the wrongness always comes from NOT the “act of receiving,” but the potential receiver’s INTENT to swindle the giver. The receiver in the SAT example can admit that he cheated on the SAT and still recieve the car without a guilty conscious, if, however, the car is taken away by the giver, it does not count as a "true" gift to begin with (it is more like a trade). The purpose of this example was to show that the receiving of the “gift” alone is faultless; it is the active intent to swindle that is wrong. In regard to my argument based on “temperment and numerous factors,” I believe that “true givers” are rare, while the “false givers” are many. Mainly, under the nature of our own definitions, the “true” giver must give without any favors returned, given these feeling are genuine, there is no reason to believe there would be any resentment. I believe my opponent later concedes this point. In regards to my opponent’s “Jane & John” situation, I believe that John is committing the wrongness of not breaking up with Jane despite not loving her (especially if he is only doing this for gifts). The problem is not Jane giving presents (and her beloved receiving them), an act which may give her genuine joy. The "moral" process would be for 1) John to break up with Jane, 2) accept the gifts if he feels comfortable and Jane is still willing to give them, and 3) hopefully still be able to be social. I will not post any new arguments in the final round (as my opponent will not have a chance to respond to them), however, I welcome any new arguments from him (as I am not bound by such restriction). That said, I look forward to his reponses.
It is never wrong to accept a gift

2. I would like to first clarify my position in this debate. I am the Con of "It is never wrong to accept a gift"; therefore I argue this statement is not true " this thus implies I believe "It is sometimes wrong to accept a gift". Following this, any admission that sometimes it is wrong to accept a gift supports my side. Given this is true, my opponent supports my side in many ways in his 2nd refutation. He admits that sometimes one could feel guilt at accepting a gift such as his SAT example. He also supports my argument by admitting that sometimes resentment will build if the receiver never gives back " based on numerous factors such as temperament etc. As my opponent admits that sometimes my argument is correct in some situations, then this supports my side that sometimes it is wrong to accept a gift. With respect to my opponent, I would like to add that he does point out that if a gift is given and accepted, as per my definition, then logically no resentment should be held because the giver does not want anything in return and so would have nothing to resent the receiver for. I concede to this point and admit this exposes a problem with my definition of accepting a gift. It would be better if the definition was given to "giving a gift" i.e.: "giving a gift" is to give something with no desire to have a return. If this definition was used then the opponent is right in saying no resentment should be held. This is because resentment would be held because the giver actually expects a return " eventually " which does not meet the definition of giving a gift. 1. In response to my opponent"s 1st refutation, he has misunderstood my first argument. My example was of 2 people in the process of breaking up, not already having broken up and now become friends. If people have become friends then surely there wouldn"t be any problem with accepting gifts as per the definition. In my example, however, John wants to break up with Jane but Jane loves John and doesn"t want to break up. Jane gives gifts to John as an expression of love. It would be wrong of John to accept the gifts as this would prolong the break up and be damaging as per my 1st argument. I would agree with my opponent about his second subpoint that a person taking advantage and manipulating the giver by accepting gifts " the acceptance is not wrong but the intentions are. In summary then, my response is: 1. Being the Con of the debate means "sometimes it is wrong to accept a gift". 2. My opponent supports my side in his 2nd refutation by admitting my arguments are sometimes true. 3. My point about resentment being held by the giver is refuted 4. My 1st argument still stands as my opponent did not address it. Due to my character restrictions - it is difficult for me to give an additional argument - I suck :( So I will try to include it later.
It is never wrong to accept a gift

I would foremost like to welcome Con to debate. org, where there are truly some interesting characters. I hope he will make a fine addition to the site. That said, I also thank him for instigating this debate. I will shorten my opponent’s quotes to match the character limit. -TERMS First, I will define my terms… I would like to further add (to avoid semantical and contextual issues) that a gift in this debate is one that is 1. given willingly, and 2. benign (does not harm the giver or the reciever). Given the context of Con's definition, I think adding these characteristics are fair, as I would hate to have to defend a position where a bullet to the head could be interpreted as a "gift. " to 'accept a gift' means that… I agree to this definition as well. -Refutations 1. It is wrong to accept gifts when it is from a person you're breaking up with. There is a non-sequitor in this argument. Firstly, accepting a gift does not necessarily mean "you'd be leading him on. " Especially given the above definition of "accept<ing> a gift," as the giver clearly is not expecting anything back nor wants the favor returned. A relationship also is not limited to dating, and two people can break-up and still remain friends that remembers each other's birthdays and occasionally give each other gifts (such as buying each other a cup of coffee/meal). It would not be prolonging the breakup, if the breakup already occured. If, however, a person is taking advantage of such a situation strictly to get something out of the giver, then recieving the gift itself is not what is immoral: what is immoral is having the intention to swindle someone for said gifts, which is more akin to lying/false promises. 2. No gift is ever truly without return. One does not necessarily recieve guilt for receiving a gift. There is only guilt, when one has done something wrong to recieve it or is undeserving of said gift (ie, you cheat on your SAT to get a perfect score, and your parents gift you a new car). There may be a feeling of gratitude from gifts (which may result in the feeling of having "to pay the person back"), but that is something different from guilt. It is also a non-sequitor that "resentment will build if the person who gets all the gifts never gives anything back" as that is strictly situational depending on numerous factors (ie the temperment and relationship of the giver and the receiver). As we already established that nothing is wanted in exchange for a gift (as that would make it closer to a trade) by the giver, we have no reason to believe that given that this feeling (of not wanting favours returned) is genuine that there would be any sort of resentment. And therefore, there would be no long term burdens, if a gift is no-strings-attached so to speak. Due to character limitations, I will post counter arguments in round 2, where Con may refute them in round 3.
It is never wrong to accept a gift

I'm new to this site and debating so I apologise in advance if I mess something up! I had been thinking over this interesting idea for a while now and recently I've had a change of thought. First, I will define my terms: 'a gift', could be anything the person gives which makes him lose somehow. For example the gift could be a new phone, a holiday, a lift to work, a free English lesson etc. Whereas, it would not be opening the door for you because the person doing that does not lose out on anything. to 'accept a gift' means that someone gives you something and insists somehow that they do not expect nor want you to return the favour. For example, in my experience, my friend bought me a new watch - for no reason - and insisted it was a gift and she didn't expect anything in return - just because we're good friends. --- I am arguing against the topic. My arguments are: 1. It is wrong to accept gifts when it is from a person you're breaking up with. For example, suppose you are in a relationship with someone but it's not working so you're breaking up. That person is crazily in love with you and so sends you gifts. He insists he doesn't want the favour returned but it would be wrong to accept the gifts because you'd be leading him on, continuing the relationship and prolonging the breakup which would be emotionally damaging for yourself and him. 2. No gift is ever truly without return. A person gives you a gift and insists on nothing in return, it changes the receiver. The person who gets the gift already feels guilty or feels like he needs to pay the person back. There is a kind of emotional investment whenever a person receives a gift. Over time, resentment will build if the person who gets all the gifts never gives anything back - despite how hypocritical it is that the giver never asked for returned favours anyway. Therefore, sometimes it is wrong to accept a gift if you are not prepared to carry the long term burdens. These arguments are from my own experiences - [haha - I'm obviously a popular guy] so I don't have any references to sources - as of yet.
love exist

When you mention karma, not everyone feels that karma exist but still feel love. Of course not all families feel love for one another, but I'm talking about the ones that do. I went to Ana`s funeral, one of the victims. It was amazing to see how many people showed up to show their support. Many people that don't even know them. How about a father risking his life to protect his son? You may say it's out of the nature of man, but then wouldn't all men or fathers do the same? And how come the fathers who are willing to protect their children say they do it because they love their child? Now I ask you, if love doesn't exist, what takes it's place? What are people talking about when they say they love each other? Sorry if I didn't get to all your questions on this thing I'm on a kindle fire. Typing is hell... Also you say you have a close intention with children. Why does that affect you? You say you care because you have a close intention with children. What does that mean? Child molesters have close intentions for children, but of course that means nothing. Of course I believe you when you say you cared for those children and so do I, but the only reason I can think of why we care, is because we love them. If we don't love them, then why do we care so much for something that had no affect on us?
love exist

i will be talking about love as in love for your family, not neccesarily sexual attraction. "Love"- Does love exist? Of course it does" many people believe that life is based only on survival. Is this true? Yes, but not just. It is missing some big parts. It is very hard if you think about it, that we people all came from one accident. If this is the case, then maybe love does not exist" explained in chapter one, we were not created by accident. There must be a reason why we are here. What is that reason? God has his reason and he never has to give an explanation. Many people say evolution created love so that reproduction will happen and keeps life existing. What about love for the family? If this is the case then why do we love other people that have nothing to do with reproduction? If love did not exist, everyone would be on their own and no one would ever look out for one another. There are many situations that have happened because of love. On December 14th, 2012 there was a shooting at a school in Newtown sandy hook. 20 children and 6 staff members died. What happened after that? "Xfactor" dedicated the song "You are not alone", while "The voice" dedicated the song "Hallelujah". People from all over the country and even in many places in the world made tributes to the Newtown victims, from songs to letters, from stuffed animals to money. Many tributes were made. All these donations were from people who cared and were able to show love for one another. If we were just careless animals, do you think all this would have happened? Pretty sure it wouldn"t. Physically, Newtown had no effect one people on the outside world yet people still cared and tried to help. I don"t know what this could have been other than love" Therefore love does exist.
love exist

You're off to a good start and welcome to Debate. org. Okay, I'll try and give this a shot. You defined that love through a dictionary is through two definitions through the noun context "An intense feeling of deep affection: "their love for their country" and through the context of a verb which is a deep romantic of sexual attachment to someone. Okay, you got them from a dictionary so there is no denying that. .. or is there? I guess the proposal I'm going through with this is that, is the feeling of love something that's culturally defined or is it an actual feeling that's developed towards the opposite or same sex? Perhaps there is something that is missing as what you gave is just the general definition. Could you elaborate more on your premise or is your proof just a definition from the library? With that, I may refute or perhaps give into this debate if you provide evidence that it does exist. (Pst, Google is your best friend).
PS3 is better then XBOX

I would like the negate the folowing statements in attempt to prove that PS3 is in fact not better than xbox. My opponents argument is that both consoles are free. This information is in fact false. 120 GB PS3's usually run for around 249.99 brand new. http://www.gamestop.com... 4 GB Xbox 360's usually run around 199.99 brand new. http://accessories.us.dell.com... My opponents arguments thus fall under a fallacy, as neither console are free for the public. I contain that Xbox 360 is equally as exciting and fun and PS3 is. If my opponent responds with more stable arguments, I will provide some as well. Thankyou.