Abkhazia and South Ossetia should not be independent from Georgia

This being the last round of our debate, I shall address the issues for the last time. === Historical Background === I am not trying to confuse anyone by misexplaining the definition of a legitimate state. The point I am doing here is that the world does not work in a single way and the way the United States gained their independence does not constitute the ultimate way for gaining supreme autonomy, especially in such regions as the Caucasus. There is, as your Danish report explained, a mystical origin to the nations of Eastern Europe. It would destabilize the region if a nation just creates itself without centuries of establishment. That is how Georgia was born. And if we are to use this logic, every ethnic group in the Caucasus must have their own motherland. And once again, Ossetians already have their own country, named Alania, in the Northern Caucasus, and taking Georgian lands to make a new Ossetia would just make no sense. It is the same thing with Abkhazs, whose nation is Adyghe. Con mentions that what matters is what the current population is. Well, sir, it is not. Georgians make up the majority of the population in the Gali and Kodori regions of Abkhazia. Should those regions join Georgia back? If one day, Russians make up the majority in a local district, should the latter be independent too? Etc. , etc. A short-living state, lasting a couple of months, is not a nation. Wishing to be independent is not relevent neither. What matters is the development of a nation in the centuries, not how a political party wanted to separate from the center because of an ideological concept. This has nothing to do with the issue. === Conflict === Con does not seem to understand what is happening today in those regions. Many reports made by Human Rights Watch, the European Union, and Amnesty International show that Abkhazia and South Ossetia are looking more like North Caucasian Russian republics than independent nations. About 10% of the inhabitants of South Ossetia are Russian soldiers. How can you compare that with South Korea-Japan-US relations? And to end this part of the debate that doesn't have anything to do with the issue, the role of Georgia as a peacekeeper in the Caucasus is only undemined because Russia wants to overthrow Georgia from this position. And even if it succeeded in doing so, Russia still can't maintain peace in the region. If Russia gave Georgia a chance to retake its position and maintain peace, it would be easy for Tbilisi to do so. === Ignorance === There is just no Abkhaz or Ossetian sources talking about Abkhazia or South Ossetia as independant countries in the past. Byzantine, French, English, German, Arab, Turkish, Persian, Russian references and maps all show the opposite of what the "History of Abkhazia" by Abkhaz historian Lakoba, taught in Abkhaz schools, is saying. Is that enough of an evidence? Check Byzantine historian Stylitzkes. Crusaders' accounts. Check the real historical sources. And if Con can't verify what I am saying because he cannot read a certain language, it should not be considered as a relevant evidence against me. === Self-Determination v. Territorial Integrity === I only have a short time to finish my argument so I will short it up. Self-determination is very important, but there is no issue of Ossetians lacking a nation and thus they do not fit the definition of self-determination. What if one day Cubans make up the majority of the inhabitants of South Florida? Would they fit the requirement of self-determination and should they declare independence from the United States? No, and even if the majority of Cubans want so. Because they already have a country, named CUBA. Con is himself trying to confuse the reader by changing the meaning of house as I put it. In my analogy, the house is actually the region, i. e. South Ossetia or Abkhazia. This is not an oversimplification of the question because, on the contrary of what Con said, there is no Ossetian culture in South Ossetia. Only Georgian churches, scriptures, buildings, etc.