The death penalty Deters crime and saves lives

"Lets get something straight first I believe that one innocent life lost is one too may."Sure I understand your feelings, but you need to be realistic. I have done basic math prong that more people are saved. If one execution saves 3-18 lives, and the very very low chance of killing 1 innocent then its a good ratio. I think the ratio is like 1:50. I heard that when NM tried to bolish the DP (they did it *tear* ) but that's a good ratio. Lets use the 10 numbers again. 50*10=5001*1=11:500.so in reality 499 lives are saved per 50 executions. That it a great ratio, so you would like to lose 499 lies to save 1? Mathematically and logicall that makes no sense. "What you seem to be saying is that while Britain may make mistakes American will not so I will go on to look at some more of America's mistakes on top of the Alan Gell case in my last argument in my substantive."I am sorry If I misphrased. But here's the thing, I have proven the DP deters crime and saves lives for a few rounds now. With math, credible sources, etc. So sure a few examples ofer the years is tragic but you need to look at the ratios above. You wan't to save 1 life, I want to sae 499. "On your first point I would love to know how this information was collected. Was an interview done on all of those on death row asking how many more people would you have killed of you were not about to be killed yourself? "It is actually simple to figure this out. You look at states and their crime rates before and after the DP or states with it compered to states without it and crime fluctuations. So the data can be explaind easily. "the 2010 FBI Uniform Crime Report showed that the South had the highest murder rate. The South accounts for over 80% of executions. "I love and hoped that you would post this argument, so lets look at the stats. Texas has one of the higher murder stats: 24,782,302 - Jul 2009 Source: U.S. Census Bureau(population)Lets compare this to wisconsin (No DP): 5,654,774 - Jul 2009 Source: U.S. Census Bureau____________________________________________________________________________________________________________Wisconsin has a lower crime rate, but look at the population sizes. Texas has a higher population and is more urban. More population and urban areas lead higher crime then smaller states and this cannot be changed. So this argument is a fallay as it doesn't take into account these factors. "According to a survey of the former and present presidents of the country's top academic criminological societies, 88% of these experts rejected the notion that the death penalty acts as a deterrent to murder."1. experts are sometimes wrong2. So? they couls have had biasses (religeon [roman catholic], politics [liberal]) etc. SO lets look at the first point. Wall street economists failed to predict the economic downturn. http://www.usnews.com...So experts can be wrongbiassesthat is self-explanatory"So even in states where the execution rate is high where according to your statement the deterrence should be at it's greatest we see the most murders."forgot other factors shown above.Why do these potential victims "have more of a right to life than people that have been wrongly convicted and killed by the state that is meant to keep them from harm?"Because they don't, but 499 potenial victems have moe of right to life than 1 because there are 499 pf them. "Lets look at a very recent case that took place in America "lol stlll a few examples mean nothing you have to look at the overall ratio. Once again, a few examples mean nothing, the overall ratio means more. "Texas has the highest capital punishment rate in America but from 1960 until 2010 the number of murders increased from 824 to 1,249 with a peak of 2,652 in 1991."Already refuted the state by state argument. But also there where 6 years where the DP wasn't used, hence the graph above. For more info for the deterence ad such: http://wesleylowe.com..."To sum up there are more factors at play in relation to murder and violent crimes"my point..."innocents might die but we are supposedly saving all these other people. Life should be granted more respect than that."Also my point. If you would like to grant life respect then save 10 lives (once again the median 3-18 number). So you save more lives than you lose. Also look you say the word MIGHT. My point as well. C1: Deters crime David B. Muhlhausen, PhD, Senior Policy Analyst at the Heritage Foundation's Center for Data Analysis, in testimony delivered on June 27, 2007 before the Subcommittee on the Constitution, Civil Rights, and Property Rights of the US Senate Judiciary Committee, stated: "The recent studies using panel data techniques have confirmed what we learned decades ago: Capital punishment does, in fact, save lives... Over the years, several studies have demonstrated a link between executions and decreases in murder rates. In fact, studies done in recent years, using sophisticated panel data methods, consistently demonstrate a strong link between executions and reduced murder incidents. Using a panel data set of over 3,000 counties from 1977 to 1996, Professors Hashem Dezhbakhsh [and] Shepherd of Emory University found that each execution saves on average 18 lives. They found that executions had a highly significant negative relationship with murder incidents. Additionally, the implementation of state moratoria is associated with the increased incidence of murders... While opponents of capital punishment allege that it is unfairly used against African–Americans, each additional execution deters the murder of 1.5 African–Americans. Further moratoria, commuted sentences, and death row removals appear to increase the incidence of murder... Americans support capital punishment for two good reasons. First, there is little evidence to suggest that minorities are treated unfairly. Second, capital punishment produces a strong deterrent effect that saves lives." Robert B. Ekelund, PhD, Professor of Economics and Lowder Eminent Scholar Emeritus at Auburn University, et. al, in a Jan. 2006 Southern Economic Journal article titled "Marginal Deterrence and Multiple Murders," wrote: "However strongly, execution variables deter first and only murders, the marginal cost of additional murders is, in effect, zero. Empirically, we find that execution and the death penalty have no significant effect on multiple murders... our study also shows that... single murders are deterred by execution variables... the form of execution --electrocution being considered marginally more 'painful' than lethal injection-- is an added deterrent to single murders..." C2: saves lives saves lives as the first study pointed out, and the ones in the first round. Conclusion: your stats ignore other factors and the DP does deter crime, which in turn aves lives. VOTE PRO! thanks for the debate :)