Existence of God

Greetings. "Indeed, the burden of proof lies on the one making a positive assertion" No it doesn"t. As proof, god is always negative because there"s always false hope. And no proof of his existence doesn"t help much with your claims. You also completely overlooked Matt Dillahunty"s statement. So I shall post it again. "This is not just a matter of opinion. This is an entire branch of philosophy of epistemology about how we go about determining whether or not a ---claim--- is reasonably and rationally justified. And extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. The claim that there is a god is an extraordinary claim which requires more than just pointing to an old book. That is simply NOT rational to the claim. Sorry. Its not just an opinion. There"s more to life than that." Do you understand what he"s saying here? Your god is an EXTRAORDINARY claim because you have no evidence. None. And you cannot point to your bible for any kind of proof. Why? Because no god would be stupid enough to communicate through text form, the worst form of communication possible. If you would like that"s easily proved. But that"s another subject. Now can we disprove god? Yes. Unless you believe in utter hate and evil as your bible proves through the OT. "The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully. Those of us schooled from infancy in his ways can become desensitized to their horror." - Richard Dawkins Not only that but mathematics. Stephen Hawking and his colleague has proven that there is a mathematical equation that there is something gotten from nothing. In other words god was not needed to have created the known universe. And mathematical equations are the only facts that there are. 2 + 2 = 4 no matter which language you speak. Your god can be disproved no matter which language you speak. "Therefore, we must search for evidence and see if it is reasonable to agree with the assertion, 'God does exist'." Who says so? And why with so much hatred and pure evil that your god brings? Sorry. Not doable. "To address your comment on being brainwashed: If this is to be a mature discussion, you must refrain from baseless assertions and ad hominem logical fallacies. Thank you." Well what else would you call it? You are only 15 after all, you make baseless accusations yourself like your god MUST exist WITHOUT any kind of proof. I mean come on here. That"s NOT intelligent. And it certainly does not bring in any kind of education at all. "Sir/Ma'am, before we address if the Bible is illogical, we must first provide a foundation for the laws of logic." No you immediately toss the bible to the dumpster. There you go again with the word "MUST". And who is this "we"? Um no. Its you. Christianity has taken a nosedive plunge of 5.1% since 2007 and atheism has doubled since. 5.1% is a HUGE number. Search for something truthful, with meaning. "unfortunately for you, the laws of logic cannot possibly exist in a materialistic worldivew as they are immaterial." What on earth are you squawking about? Of course they are. 2 + 2 = 4. Logical. So only you truly knows what he is talking about. Please invent better excuses. I"ve been doing this for 42+ years and have talked with roughly 25,000 on this subject and no one has invented that specific pile of hypocritical contradictions which is so typical of the christian speech and bible. Its a silly referendum. "and why does the universe *have* to obey these laws at all times in all places?" Who ever says it does? Sheesh. See the atheist position as well as ALL good scientist positions are when they don"t have the answer to something, and they certainly don"t have the answers to the inner working of the universe, they say "I don"t know". Now repeat after me" "I don"t know". Its not "I don"t have an answer or the answer, therefore god." Really? You don"t believe YOUR bible has contradictions? WOW. Have you even read the damn fricken thing? Here"s a few for you right off the bat. And its either so obvious that you have not read the bible or you are extremely uneducated and unintelligent and cannot comprehend the word "the". No offence but very truthful. Now all of these if NOT contradictions ARE inconsistencies making your bible unreadable" But here"s a few blatant contradictions". https://infidels.org... - Bible Inconsistencies - Bible Contradictions? GE 2:17 Adam was to die the very day that he ate the forbidden fruit. GE 5:5 Adam lived 930 years. GE 4:15, DT 32:19-27, IS 34:8 God is a vengeful god. EX 15:3, IS 42:13, HE 12:29 God is a warrior. God is a consuming fire. EX 20:5, 34:14, DT 4:24, 5:9, 6:15, 29:20, 32:21 God is a jealous god. LE 26:7-8, NU 31:17-18, DT 20:16-17, JS 10:40, JG 14:19, EZ 9:5-7 The Spirit of God is (sometimes) murder and killing. NU 25:3-4, DT 6:15, 9:7-8, 29:20, 32:21, PS 7:11, 78:49, JE 4:8, 17:4, 32:30-31, ZP 2:2 God is angry. His anger is sometimes fierce. 2SA 22:7-8 (KJV) "I called to the Lord; ... he heard my voice; ... The earth trembled and quaked, ... because he was angry. Smoke came from his nostrils. Consuming fire came from his mouth, burning coals blazed out of it." EZ 6:12, NA 1:2, 6 God is jealous and furious. He reserves wrath for, and takes revenge on, his enemies. "... who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? His fury is poured out like fire, and rocks are thrown down by him." 2CO 13:11, 14, 1JN 4:8, 16 God is love. GA 5:22-23 The fruit of the Spirit of God is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. GE 4:16 Cain went away (or out) from the presence of the Lord. JE 23:23-24 A man cannot hide from God. God fills heaven and earth. GE 18:20-21 God decides to "go down" to see what is going on. EX 12:13 The Israelites have to mark their houses with blood in order for God to see which houses they occupy and "pass over" them. PR 15:3, JE 16:17, 23:24-25, HE 4:13 God is everywhere. He sees everything. Nothing is hidden from his view. EX 15:3, 17:16, NU 25:4, 32:14, IS 42:13 God is a man of war--he is fierce and angry. RO 15:33, 2CO 13:11, 14, 1JN 4:8, 16 God is a god of love and peace. EX 20:12, DT 5:16, MT 15:4, 19:19, MK 7:10, 10:19, LK 18:20 Honor your father and your mother is one of the ten commandments. It is reinforced by Jesus. MT 10:35-37, LK 12:51-53, 14:26 Jesus says that he has come to divide families; that a man's foes will be those of his own household; that you must hate your father, mother, wife, children, brothers, sisters, and even your own life to be a disciple. MT 23:9 Jesus says to call no man on earth your father. All of those are supermassive major hypocritical contradictions in YOUR bible in which you clearly have not read, and or not comprehended. There are a good thousand or more of them in YOUR bible making YOUR bible truly unreadable to those that are intelligent and have an education. Granted, what is in your bible are inconsistencies as well. But not in the list presented above. A christian worldview? Nope. "If you try to get clarification, if you try to get what the christian orthodox view is on the law, you're not going to find consensus. You"re not going to find christians "oh here"s what christians think about" they"re all going to have this concept of this different thing now. But as far as it applies and why and what to do with it, they"re all different. Its going to be a hard argument because most have different ideas about it and most are going to change their ideas and start tweeking them as soon as they have to start answering questions because they haven"t looked into it before most of them." Tracie Harris Am out of space.