Secular Progressive movement will destroy this country

Thanks for taking this debate Yraelz I will begin by answering your long list of questions. 1. "Lets take Friedrich Nietzsche as an amazing example. He believed that believing in a god unfocused one from believing in the earth. He felt that the secular people of his day were essentially trading heaven for earth. Thus Nietzsche felt that religion desecrated the earth in someway. This view had little to do with his fleshy needs." Rebuttal : Number one terrible example for this debate, in general perhaps but first of all he a German this debate is over the Secular Progressive Movement(2008) in The United States of America. Mr. Nietzshe (1844-1900) is far from the ( I am going to abbreviate Secular Progressive from now on if you don't mind) SP'S of today. Also his repudiation of the Christian faith is based around 18th and a little 19th century Christianity not common 2008 Christianity. Also it seems to me your picking a needle out of a hay stack here any different examples besides a 18th century German philosopher? 2. "-Secularists feel that they are god- This case would be supported by Nietzsche but not by many other secularists such as myself. I believe myself to be an intelligent creator capable of creating my own purpose in life. This does not somehow make me any less moral than a religious person." Rebuttal: Actually it dose I am afraid, lets use a little thing I call common sense. On one hand you have the traditional Christian/Jewish family held together by strong morals (Ten Commandments) and faith ( Let us not forget the Christian faith can be summed up in one quote: "Love your Neighbor as your self") Then you have an Atheist/Evolutionist survival of the fittest, not only no God but no faith in anything except one shot take advantage of it. I think its easy to see that a SP would have far less morals than a Christian. 3. "-The rejection of god at Christmas- Christmas started out as a pagan holiday, in fact my opponents catholic god has nothing to do with Christmas as Jesus' birthday is never mentioned in the new testament. Once again my opponent needs to show me how this destroys the country." Rebuttal: Of course it did so did Easter this point is clearly foolish, are people who flock to church on Easter morning on Christmas night celebrating pagan rituals? no of course not our society has changed these Holidays into a entirely different purpose. Also of course this one thing will destroy the country but it has an a large negative effect on the foundation of the American Family. 4. "-The homosexual community falls under secularism- Nope definitely not true. I have met many homosexuals who were either Christian or other religions. Rebuttal: Well you are abundantly wrong here my friend, the bible clearly states that homosexuals are against the teachings of Christ any homosexual that says they are a Christian and "God made me who I am" are horrifyingly misinterpreting the bible. " 5. "To say that they are not because they do not follow one teaching of the bible is to say that every time someone sins they are no longer Christian." Rebuttal: Sorry to tell you but your wrong, anyone who lives day to day in sin regardless of what it is will not make it to the Kingdom of Heaven. Homosexuals live every single day in sin and unless they repent and remain so will not make it to heaven I am afraid. 6. "Also I'll submit the argument that being gay is not a choice. Last time I checked I could not choose my sexual preference, to say that gay people can is to grant them superhuman powers. Unfeasible." Rebuttal: Well I will have to revoke your submittal http://www.thebible.net... website entirely busting with ex-homosexuals sharing and helping one another. http://www.lonelyplanet.com... Same deal not Christian related http://www.denverpost.com... News article about a man who turned heterosexual I ask my opponent submitting the argument they cannot change, then how is this possible? 7. A secularist is a disciplined as he wants to be. I can make as many morals for myself as I would like. Rebuttal: Ok, I ask my opponent to define Secular morals? where did a secular get morals? as an SP evolutionist how did man king create morals? what binds them together? Also sure you can TAKE morals from religion and use them but what keeps you from deciding to revoke them? I know for me its a belief in God what is it for you? a belief in survival of the fittest? 8. "-There have been many examples of this in the past- Like...? Brief history note, the great Roman empire broke up after converting to Christianity, not before." Rebuttal: haha well I would advise against using history lessons to out-wit someone who holds a Doctorate in Ancient History. Flavius Valerius Aurelius Constantinus was the Roman Emperor who inherited a crumbling kingdom during his Catholic reign he established a period of Roman mercantile which brought a long period of financial and military security. Constantine reined in 306 to say the fall of the Empire is due to Christianity is foolish. 9. "-However, you can not place pro-abortionists and homosexuals in the camp of "Progressives." Doing this, simply skews the word. These people are simply "Secularists."- This defeats the entire point of my opponents argument, he is advocating that the secular progressive movement will destroy this country yet he just split up the two and said that they are distinct...." Rebuttal: Hence the point of defining Secular Progressive in the beginning which you so arrogantly spewed at this simply means the term SP is a stupid one. They belong in the same group not apart. 10. "-Our country is going to hell in a hand-basket.- Opinion, has no bearing in debate." Rebuttal: Opinions mean everything in a debate, what do you think we are debating over genius? 11. "-The term Secular Progressives sounds benign. But, it is a cancer, left un-checked, these dangerous people will destroy each and everyone of us.- This is empirically denied throughout history. On the other hand I can list a great deal of examples in which religious persons have destroyed millions of other people." Rebuttal: Of course you can, again I advise against using history against a Professor. Let me point out that there has never been a country based on the ideals of the United States of America. We have been threw turmoil that would have split other Empires in two and yet here we stand today. Why? because of strong faith and family values(Great Depression) take that away God literally knows where we will end up. My opponent has strong opinions much like I do, it is my belief that the culture war being fought on our soil is a loosing one for people like me "Traditionalists" a knew breed of America is coming out members of society like my opponent. People who do not value faith or morals people who live under the theory of evolution "survival of the fittest" people who teach our children that abominable sexual acts are natural and should be accepted. People who believe that any discrimination be it justifiable or not is unacceptable, even the discrimination against Islamic fascists or homosexual deviants is wrong. (Quote Nancy Poloski a known SP "From all accounts we know of Islam is a peaceful and loving religion") mmmmm tell that to the 9/11 victims. People who demoralize morals and faith the two things that have bound this country together and brought light in the darkest of times.