English premier league vs Spanish la liga.

Liverpool: But are they capable of playing at the top level? Still, my opponent has not defined what this supposed "top level" of football is. If Liverpool are a top team, why are they failing to progress in the Europa League and not even challenging for a Champions League spot? You'll also notice Villareal has progressed in the Europa League. Man City: Here we have the opposite case as Liverpool. Historically, a very average team, but they have become rich and are competing for a Champion's League spot. Just because they were second place at one point doesn't mean they are a top club. There has to be some sort of criteria for a top level football team. Tottenham: "they have been a serious contender this season." Hardly. They have not been title contenders but Champions League contenders. The two are very different. They are now out of the Champions League, Shalke made it farther than them. The point is not that these are bad teams. The point is Pro has given no reason why Valencia, Atletico, Villareal, and Sevilla are not up to the level of these "top teams." Well, actually my opponent gave one reason: they have not been as successful in the Champions League. However, if you judge the teams by Champion's League performance, it should be noted that Manchester City has not even qualified before this year and Tottenham only made it to the quarterfinals where Real Madrid easily eliminated them. Pro also mentions the gap between the 3rd –6th La Liga teams and Barcelona and Madrid. Does this mean Valencia, Atletico, and Villareal are bad? The other more likely possibility is that Barcelona and Madrid are simply amazing teams that the other teams can't keep up with. "All the EPL's best teams are at the same level." I did misunderstand my opponent here. However, the assertion that the "best teams" (I suppose including Liverpool and Tottenham) are at the same level is wrong. Manchester United has been in either 2nd or 1st place for as long as I have watched football. They've dominated the league for a while. I have previously explained why Liverpool, Man City, and Tottenham are not quite there yet either. "So my opponent claims teams like Tottenham and Manchester City are not top teams in the EPL yet teams like Atletico Madrid and Sevilla are for the La Liga!!? Yes I think the double exclamation marks were appropriate." I don't think Pro has proven otherwise. "I don't see how these claims refute my argument. I think it helps it. I do not see cons point." My point was that of course Newcastle will have good players. Its Newcastle. Your example is not a good one. With regards to the Valencia statement, I think you took my words out of context. The point was, he played for Gijon, moved to Zaragosa, and then went to Valencia and Barcelona. I didn't mean that Valencia was an average team, I think that's a petty argument by my opponent. Also, the point gap is a poor argument as well. It does not mean the Premier League is better than La Liga, it could simply mean that Barca and Madrid are practically unstoppable. "//Pro asserts that the defense is better in the Premier league because less goals are scored. But this is illogical// Uh but latter con states that EPL is known for it's tackling." What I meant by "crunching tackles" was tackles that break people's legs. When a team tries to play good football in England, (Arsenal *cough) they get their legs broken in half. I didn't mean their defense is particularly better. With regards to defense, the Italian league is undoubtedly the best. On my own arguments: I. "Every single one of those players played for either Barca or Real for the main part of their career. This is quite good evidence to support my statement that those are the only two good teams in Spain. In fact I think it proves it." Actually, with that logic, you could prove that Barcelona and Madrid are the only two good teams in the world. Manchester United owned Ronaldo; not anymore. So what's the best league in the world? And did you see Kaka in the game vs. Valencia? He was world-class. He's been unlucky with injury in the past. II. "It is true that the La Liga is often more entertaining" My opponent admits that La Liga is more entertaining. Why do people watch football? Because they want to be entertained. That is why Arsenal have so many fans. Sadly, they can't pull off entertaining football and win titles like La Liga teams can. III. Real Madrid have an amazing set of players, ranging from rising stars to players already recognized as the best in the world. They have more good players than they can play at once. I'm pretty certain that all you must do is watch them to see they are the second best team in the world. IV. I don't think you've seen very many Clasicos. They're more intense than any EPL games i've seen. "That's another problem with the La Liga, their players are always diving!" And EPL teams don't dive?