Pop is real music

1. Yes I do know that combining definitions of two words does not need to make it the definition of two words combined but they can get a definition like that. Now your examples were good and true but it does not need to apply it to everything. Now, we do not have a definition ( at least not a real or a plausible one) of real music. I showed that pop music is indeed real and indeed music and with that we can conclude that it is real music. It has everything the definition of music requires it to have and it has everything the definition of real requires it to have. Now even if we took this without dictionary and we tried to debate whether it is real music or it is not it is still real music because I can prove that it is music because it has everything music in order to be music has and than that means it is real music. Conclusion here is that pop is real music any way you put it. 2. I in fact do think that Hanon"s scales or horrific shrieks can be classified as real music but I do not think that it is that important what I think or what you think or what anybody thinks personally, it is important what the most objective meaning, definition or anything else are, for example while you might not like pop music but someone else does does it not mean that pop music is not real music it just means you do not like it but we can look at an objective source or in this case dictionary and see if pop music is indeed real music and as I showed it is, with or without the dictionary. 3. I do know about the Mary"s Room a.k.a. Mary the super scientist and I see what you are trying to say and you say that these definitions of music are all incomplete in a sense and cannot be used as an absolute definition and I understand that but we have to look at it in the way that we might not have a complete definition of music but we can still use the most logical ones and I did that, for every important factor I have given a definition and through the definitions I have given the most objective meaning to that factor or should I say word. Now you say that I did provide definitions but I did not say the definitions I would use for each word but if we actually look I have actually not only given the definitions and applied all of them to every word. I gave the definitions of real and I applied all of them, I gave the definitions of music and I applied all of them and I also gave the definitions of pop and I applied all of them. All of them fit with the statement that I am making (pop is real music ) and all of them show that pop music is real music. I have never seen a problem with semantics, they give the most objective and the least subjective meanings. I believe that the definitions I provided are much better to follow because they give us the least subjective and the most objective( closest to objective )definition or should I say a meaning to a word that we are using. That is a good joke but is also flawed because we as people understand how to apply logic and my definitions and also my appliance of them were logical and were trying to be least objective and most objective they can be while you are just saying a joke which is not really an analogy that can be used because it is flawed and it is not proving a point as I showed right now but still non the less it is a good joke and I even started laughing to it. I see that you want to propose some requirements for real music and I do not think that does should be or should need to be requirements because they are not objective and they are very subjective and I will show. So these are your requirements: 1. Real music has a real (potentially unspoken) message. 2. Real music has significant creativity. 3. Real music has the potential to inspire any society and any individual. So okay to start with 1. Message people get from the song can be differ from person to person and also the message people get can be different from the message the artist wanted to give. All of this is subjective from person to person and it does not show us any objectivity. 2. Lets see what does creativity and creative mean Definition from Webster's dictionary: Creativity- the quality of being creative Definition from Webster's dictionary: Creative- having or showing an ability to make new things or think of new ideas and having the quality of something created rather than imitated. We can see that in fact pop music has significant creativity because its creative and I will show that now. Having or showing an ability to make new things or think of new ideas. Pop music might be similar to one another but its not all and it is still has its own lyrics and it still has different sound and if we really look at it it is different. Now also, having the quality of something created rather than imitated. It has that too because it is different as I already explained. It has creativity, it is creative and all of that shows that pop has real significant creativity. Now I know you might say that I am again using dictionary so I am now going to show you an argument without the dictionary. I f we do not use the dictionary we do not have an explanation of what creativity is so in that case creativity is left to an individual. You might think something is creative while I think differently or reversed, like that we can see we need a dictionary so we can make better and more logical judgements that are as least as possible subjective and as objective as possible. 3. That is completely subjective, while someone can get inspired by something, others can not and reversed. Through all of this I have shown you that pop is real music not only by the dictionary but also by your logic and I have fulfilled your requirements. In you 1st argument you talk about how messages of pop music are different of those of real music and again I will just say this "Read what I wrote before under number 1 of your requirements". 2. I already explained that under number 2 of your requirements. 3. Not all pop music degrades society and we also have to see the meanings behind the violent and profound lyrics and also I have already explained this under number 3 of your requirements. Now with all of that said and done we can still see that pop is real music , with or without dictionary and with or without your requirements. Now I would like to ask you 2 questions so I would appreciate your answer, you do not need 1. Can you give an example of so called "real" music. 2. Do Beatles and Beach Boys do not have significant creativity? I mean they are pop both because of their popularity and by their genre. 3. Are you saying that so called "real" music is better than the not "real" music? 4. Is there fake music if you think that we divide music into "real" and "not real"? Also I put "" on real because I do not believe in real and not real music. All music is real music, some is just better and some is not but it is all still real music and I showed that. My sources: http://www.merriam-webster.com... http://www.merriam-webster.com...