Extra-territorial rendition is a proportional act.

Okay you start off pointing out that according to the Geneva convention a reaction should be proportional and then your second paragraph concludes with 'Countries are less sensitive to foreign deaths than those of their own citizens. Therefore, the path most chosen is likely to be that of greater than proportional vengeance, and therefore greater than proportional bloodshed.' :substantiating that the Geneva convention IS violated if and when extra-ordinary rendition is practiced. We agree AND IT IS wrong/illegal/inexcusable to violate the international Geneva convention. Why should should states be allowed to practice something that inevitably will lead to and has already caused the violation of the Geneva convention? NO reason/excuse Irrespective of whether a captive is guilty or innocent s/he is human and as such has human rights. To argue that the capture or torture of a 'suspected'-terrorist curtails terrorism is futile since the majority of terrorist events OCCUR to get terror-suspects RELEASED or their captors avenged. Illegal dissension(such as the violation of a series of covenants and conventions by a government to catch terrorists as in the case of extra-ordinary rendition) only adds fuel to the terrorists' fire. If the supposed 'good guys' behave atrociously and criminally . The 'bad guys' actually look good and gain support for their cause. Surely , in this case the end does not justify the means, If Countries like the U.S break international law they will be sneered upon. I iterate this causes terrorists to gain support and also gives them more reason to fight/terrorize. Baitullah Masud got killed, the terrorists seem to look happier than ever and most news reports from CNN and BBC claim that their terrorist network has become stronger since his death. They are NOT demoralized. The opposition has gone off on a tangent to discuss potential civilian casualties if terrorist-suspects are not caught. Is there a single example of a terror-plot being snuffed because of extra-territorial rendition? No, there is not a single public case where the method of 'extra-territorial rendition' worked to prevent a terror-plot. Local espionage, the local capture and detention of a suspect HAS worked in this but extra-ordinary rendition, never. And since we are on the subject of civilian casualties, collateral damage in the capture or killing of terror-suspects is relevant.When a country attacks another country in the hope of capturing terror suspects, she causes innocent civilian casualties and blows up red cross centers sometimes. Which needless to state is terrible, in no way justified.So, while you talk about potential casualties that there has no proof of, to date(No terror-plots exposed nor prevented via extra-territorial rendition on record). We introduce you to the ACTUAL/REALIZED mass murders of innocent civilians on the basis of extraterritorial rendition. Your argument:''Most nation states operate intelligence agencies, and many of these conduct operations overseas, often without the knowledge of local governments. And yet, the operations of these agents, who are the agents of a foreign state, and often involve the collection of sensitive information, or materials, is not, and is unlikely to ever be, considered a war crime. The reason, is because without these small scale, surgical instruments at hand, states would have only far heavier tools for dismantling threats to their existence.'' Our response: You're actually saying that the I.S.I and C.I.A are not criticized for the state of world affairs today?[[http://www.google.com/search?q=C.I.A+I.S.I+terrorism&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a]] It is precisely because intelligence agencies are caught doing their governments' dirty work , that we're having this debate. Who do you think nabs people? Intelligence agencies, Of course and it is considered a WAR-CRIME, please read up on the proposition's ORIGINAL case. Who is responsible for an intelligence agency's indiscretions? The government that it operates under.Who is responsible for the government? The head of state. Therefore Leaders of governments should be punished.