Time and Energy Have no Beginning From a Biblical and/or Scientific Viewpoint

I quote my opponent "When your watch gets broken, does time stop passing? No, it doesn"t. So even if the distortion of gravity makes a clock slow down till it stops, this doesn"t mean that time has slowed down, it simply means the clock slowed down." Pro also says ", I disagree with him that there is no time. He is assuming without a shred of evidence that the passing of time is synonymous with the movement of events, but I see no reason why that ought to be the case, because if all events ceased 24 hours ago, it would be true to say that 24 hours, which is time, has passed since all events ceased. " I am not necessarily assuming that. My sources are http://hubblesite.org... This site clearly shows that the clock that approaches the black hole slows down in time until no time passes, in essence singularity. The problem with Pro's arguement that the watch is not broken. It is measuring time correctly. The watch never started because time itself has never began as I have previously stated. Pro goes on to discuss how he believes Alert Einsteins time theory is wrong by saying "When Einstein put a clock on a plane travel at supersonic speed, it was moving slower than the clock on the ground. When the plane landed the clock was behind the time of the clock on the ground, so Einstein argued that speed actually slowed down time, and if you could travel at the speed of light, no time would pass. But I believe he was wrong. All he proved is that speed slowed down motion, not that it slowed down time." I believe Einstein is correct and that Pro's opinion is incorrect in the way that since the clock is a way of measuring time, if the clock is slowing down, then time is is slowing down in relativity to the clock . An example of this is Einstein's twin theory, which states that if one twin were moving at supersonic speed while the other remained at normal speed, then the twin going faster would age slower. Pro says "Con admits, "Of course God had power and emotions etc. Yes it is fair to say those emotions are eternal." So if power is eternal, and power is energy, then energy is eternal and has no beginning. This proves energy was not created at the Big Bang, just converted into another form." Power in the sense of control has existed always with god, but this power does not necessarily exemplify energy. God could feel emotions but he does not necessarily need energy to feel them. I quote "Con says, "I have previously explained that is not possible for time to pass due to the gravitational time warp the black whole," but Con has presented no proof that time can be warped. He merely shows that MOTION can be slowed to a stop, NOT TIME. If Con stops moving, does it mean time has stopped? No, it means Con has stopped. I want Con to tell us openly if he believes that time its another form of matter or energy. Is it? I state my proof as shown from http://www.galaxymaine.com... It says "Relativity theory states that at the center of the black hole, density becomes infinite, and because of that all things travel towards the center. This means that anything with mass will fall towards the center at the fastest speed possible; the speed of light. Because speed and time are relative to the observer, from our point of view here on Earth things simply disappear into the hole. However, if a person were to pass the Event Horizon, time would stop for that person. As the person fell toward the center of the black hole at the speed of light, his or her perception of the passage of time would stop, because everything would be moving at the speed of light in the same direction. We only notice the passage of time because of the way things move in space; if everything were moving in the same direction at the speed of light, we could not see anything move and hence, we would not perceive the passage of time. Everything would seem to stand still." From this i can therefore prove that if all the matter/energy in the universe were in the black hole, then no time was passing for any of it because time would have stopped for all of it. If I were to stop moving, time would not stop because I would be experiencing the same gravitational effects of my peers, thus it is just me that is stopping, not time. But in a black hole, the gravitational pressure is so severe that it stops time itself based on Einstein's relativity. My opponent attempts to refute my logic by saying "Notice here the Con agrees that God used ENERGY to create the singularity, therefore, he is admitting that energy existed before the singularity, and therefore it must have been eternal since his own argument is that creation begins with the singularity. But then he tries to identify this EGERGY as the holy spirit. This contradicts the Bible: "Not by might NOR BY POWER, but by my Spirit,' says the LORD Almighty." (Zec 4:6) This verse shows that God"s power, his energy, IS NOT his Holy Spirit, but something just as separate and different as his might. Acts 10:38 mentions both separately, "the Holy Spirit AND power." Power is something the Holy Spirit "has," thus, Romans 15:13 speaks of "the power OF the Holy Spirit." So the Holy Spirit is not power, and since Con admits God"s power is energy, then we have energy before the Big Bang, existing eternally. After all, without this energy, God could not create anything. Con cannot overcome this fact. Romans 1:20 calls it "ETERNAL power," which is "ETERNAL ENERRGY." Also, the Holy Spirit is God. When Annanias lied to the Holy Spirit he was lying to God. (Acts 5:3-4) The Holy Spirit is a living being that can speak (Acts 13:1-4), an is uncreated, eternal. (Heb 9:14) So when Con says God created the singularity with the Holy Spirit, he is saying God created it with himself!" I did not say that god used energy to create singularity. I referred to the holy spirit (ie god)being a different type of spiritual energy, not the energy you are thinking of. Yes in a way I am kind of saying that God created singularity using his own spirit. He says "" Power is something the Holy Spirit "has," thus, Romans 15:13 speaks of "the power OF the Holy Spirit." So the Holy Spirit is not power, and since Con admits God"s power is energy, then we have energy before the Big Bang, existing eternally" Gods power is energy, but again, a spiritual energy, an energy that can create matter, others forms of energy and time itself. Pro says here that "Con says, "God chooses not to decide the future, he let's us handle that." But I never said that God decides what we will do in the future, I argued that he merely KNOWS what we will do in the future because he is already there. Just because a parent may know what a child will do doesn"t mean the parent chooses for them. "God knows everything." (1 John 3:20) "I make known the end from the beginning, from ancient times, what is still to come." (Isa 46:10) "Before a word is on my tongue, you know it completely." (Ps 139:4) I agree with him. He misinterpreted what I was saying. Of course he is all knowing but he is not all deciding. We are free to do as we choose, however he already knows what has happened. I do not see the point of this portion of the debate but I do agree with you that god does know the future. The last point Pro tries to make is that "Con didn"t deal with the crust of my argument from Psalm 90:2. He admits God always existed, but doesn"t deal with the point I made. This verse tells us God existed from "everlasting to everlasting," or, as some versions put it, "from eternity to eternity." I asked Con "what is eternity if not time?" The theology definition of eternity "a state to which time has no application; timelessness." This definition proves that God could have existed when there was no time and that he does not need time to exist. Time can be measured by many things and it is effected by many things. If none of those factors are present, then there is really no time. Back to Pro Again