death penalty and abortion should be illegal

hey dalzuga, thanks for accepting the challenge. i also agree with your thoughts on the issue of what exactly is the government's duty to the people; protection. i mean that's obviously why the individuals who took the time to sign the declaration of independence and collaborate thoughts for the constitution were so passionate about what they were getting themselves involved in. they understood we needed protection from any foreign and/or domestic body within our own country and if we're going to have a government, that should be their number one duty. as far as the reference to the 18th century and the necessity of the death penalty, i would like for you to elaborate on exactly the proof that there were no other alternative forms of punishment which therefore made the death penalty justified. though from the 18th century through present day we have become much more civilized, i still hold strong that courts (of some sort) and prisons did exist which would obviously serve as an alternate to the death penalty. the only reason they were radically keen to administer a death sentence is because specific laws from that time frame did not include the question of morality when punishing someone via death. they didn't have organizations like that of the ACLU that gained so much national recognition they actually had an influence on government policy. not to mention, most 18th century nations' government policy was the noose. there was no debate and no argument presented. most countries had a monarchy and whatever the king said was carried out. on to abortion. my feelings and beliefs still stand. allow me to just say that my next points referring to the slaughtering of animals and human babies (of any development) come from a biblical view and my faith that lies in God. if i lose votes for admitting my faith then so be it as i understand there are plenty of atheists on debate.org. Proverbs 12:27 says that the man who hunts for game and just kills it, and does not take possession of it for eating is a slothful man. the diligent hunter takes his game for food (roasting) and considers it a precious possession, as he has food for his family's table. today we are slaughtering animals for wicked reasons. many elephants and rhinos are killed for their tusks and horns and their bodies are left to rot. other animals are slain for just the sport of it and their heads and bodies are stuffed to hang on a wall for a trophy of man's prowess, while the meat was discarded. bulls are slain for men just to watch the sport of bull fighting. cock fighting is another sport where the cocks are put together to see which one will kill the other. gambling is usually associated with this sport. i could name other atrocities of killing animals which take place with evil motives but i believe God looks on the heart and motives of men when it comes to how we treat his creatures and we shall be judged for it. even when you look back at the time when Jesus was on earth, if you believe he even existed, slaughtering of animals was justifiable on the premise of survival. hunting and killing animals that are wild and attack men or their domesticated animals is not considered evil either, as david in the old testament had to kill a lion and a bear to protect his sheep as a part of his shepherd's duty. needless to say he had God's approval. nowhere in the bible does it mention how abortion under ANY circumstance is justified and therefore i feel that the issue of animals and babies should be kept separate. we could both agree that most of the present nations do not kill each other for food and we certainly do not kill babies for food. it is purely a question of whether you think it is moral or not. therefore resulting in the question of "necessary or not?". animals slaughtered ONLY for the use of food is acceptable under my standards because it was acceptable under God's standards. slaughtering animals based on pure joy and sport should be taken as though that same human aborted a baby for that animal died for no reason other than provide pride for the culprit. i could go on about how CERTAIN deadly acts against animals are justified throughout the bible because once again, the bible is my guideline to life. i understand that obviously our points will differ if the bible and Jesus is not something you buy into. however, please understand that the basis of many of my arguments form around my beliefs. despite how comic the issue you brought up about sperm may seem, i agree. i'm sure when you masturbate one of the thousands of ejaculated sperm could very well have produced a "prodigious figure". which is why i do not feel it's necessary for me to "please" myself with my hand or have sex with someone i do not intend on marrying and spending the rest of my life with. i also agree that supply exceeds demand by a long shot but i disagree that the problem would be "more accentuated" SO LONG as there is a government willing to spend money on better programs and houses for orphans. obviously if the government isn't willing to provide much more housing for the growing number of orphans, then yes it is easy to see that the illegalization of abortion would compile overcrowded environments. which is why i feel so strongly that our government should be willing to provide more housing for them like i feel they should also spend money on the building of more prisons to eliminate the overcrowded prison problem that already exists in our country.