Communism is the greatest economic ideal

My name is not Matthew. But that's irrelevant. I am going to go in the order I presented at the end of my R2. OV2: Every instance he compares, it's a new argument, so you shouldn't count it. But even if you count his arguments, it doesn't matter as they don't link to the topic. The topic say "Communism is the [GREATEST] economic ideal", not "Communism is better than capitalism". We are here to debate the former. That being said, all of his comparisons in his R3 can be disregarded. Extend. OV1: roycegee says that "[h]owever, not every person needs to be [intelligent and benevolent]", and backs it up by saying that not everyone in capitalism believes in capitalism, and it still works. This doesn't really dent my argument at all, as communism doesn't link into any of his arguments. In communism, "[the] system collapses very easily, as by ensuring that everyone get the same amount of capital, anyone can just stop working at any time and still get that pay." In capitalism, if you don't work, you don't get paid. It's a whole different system where doing the same action – not working – will achieve two very different results. The result in a communistic society from lazy people is an economy that won't work, as most people need incentives in order for them to want to do their job. The other problem in his counterarg is that communism, unlike capitalism, preaches something. It preaches that "we are all equal" or "the state serves the people". In such an open society that requires the intelligence and the benevolence of its people, even ONE person that is ruthless enough, that person will be able to control the entire population. (e.g. Stalin) Under those beliefs, many abhorring and immoral actions can be carried out, and if an economic system is going to lead to events such as the Great Purge, there is no way that communism is the greatest economic ideal – indeed, it wouldn't be an ideal at all. Extend. Line-By-Line (his R3's) 1. (Above) 2a. Capitalism is one thing. Communism is one thing. Comparing them is two things. "Greater", not "Greatest". Topic says "Greatest". Therefore, irrelevant. 2b. New arg. 4. "However, you can not use Stalin as the role model for communism." 4a. He presented it, I used it. 4b. In every instance of a communistic society, there was a dictator. 4c. Communism greater than one thing does not make it the greatest. I run faster than fourth grade brother. That does not make me the fastest person in the world. 4d. Lenin used NEP, not communism, to improve the economy. [VC] a. Being a newb is no excuse. He could've looked up VC in Wiki during R2. b. Cross-apply 2a from this round. He's still comparing 2 things. c. He tells us on his rebuttal to OV1, "please do not try to contradict this by practicality and probability, as this is not what we are debating about" and continues his response to my VC on #5, "his VC is completely mundane as EVERY debate has this as part of a value criterion." His very arguing that we should look to what's ideal and what can happen is the EXACT reason why this VC is not inherent in every debate. e. I tell you why the debate needs to take into consideration if it will work or not. He doesn't tell you why the debate doesn't need that. I have warrants, he doesn't. You look to my VC at this point. d. In communism, not everyone ties. Cross-apply OV1 from R1. f. Cross-apply 4a from R2. f. New arg. 6a. Cross apply everything I just said for the VC. 6b. He agrees with the impacts, therefore they stand. 7. Communism isnt a solution 7a. Irrelevant due to VC (refer to R1) 7b. The actor is everyone according to the resolution. Not everyone flees. 7c. Rich people would be in existence when the communism revolution starts. It's true that when communism finishes there will be no rich people, but at the beginning Marx says that the urban factory workers will initiate it. And that's not what the resolution says. 7d. New arg. 8. Poverty cant exist 8a. Irrelevant due to VC 8b. Extend a,b,c for this argument from my R2. They go unrefuted. 8c. Cross-apply 4a from R2. 9. "Classless" 9a. Extend a,b,c for this argument from my R2. They go unrefuted. 10a. It doesn't matter if the real world is ideal or not. 10b. No warrant for contradiction. 11. Can't understand what he's saying here. 12. He claimed it was complicated. I don't need to show anything. 13. roycegee doesn't show how my VC doesn't link. "My opponent hasn't attacked my interpretation of the resolution, as his VC is nullified." - His interpretation was made clear last round. He didn't have one before that. "All of my previous arguments have been justified and in some cases have been extended." - All of my previous arguments have been justified since R1 and most of them have gone dropped. His have not. "My opponent is addressing the resolution of real life circumstances, irrelevant to the topic." - I tell you why it's relevant, in R1. He doesn't tell you why it isn't, anywhere. "He brings up points about prostitution and ethics. This is completely irrelevant." - It's relevant because of my VC, which looks at the real world effects of systems. "In this argument I have linked it to communism and compared it to capitalism, one of the arguments he made about my debate." - Cross apply 2a from this round. Summary: The resolution says "Communism is the greatest economic ideal", and at the point where he only compares to one system instead of comparing to them all, he has already lost the round (OV1). Next, I bring up the argument that since communism relies on all of its population being intelligent and benevolent people, it won't work because that's against human nature, and all his arguments against that have been refuted (OV2). roycegee then bases all of his R3 on this new VC he installs, which talks about communism being better than capitalism, but I've already taken that out. At that point none of his arguments link anywhere, so he has no offense going for his side in the round. With that, my VC stands and since none of his arguments link to the requirements my VC has set up, his points definitely fall there at the final level. Because roycegee has not shown how communism is the greatest economic ideal; has not fulfilled the burden placed upon him by the resolution, the vote goes default CON. Thank you roycegee, Luke Cumbee, and Mr. Ferreira, for making this first round of the Debate.org tournament possible.