Anarchy is the true means of liberty

The message of this anarchist ideology that you presented, is very beautiful and inspiring, however they are simple wishful thinking as right now, and a fantasy. I disagreed with you, about us being more alike that one may think. I can see a group with similar ideologies coming together and enrolling in such of idea, but that group will be likely shattered by outside groups. The reason to this, is that even know we are very different, many of us share common interest with one another. However, finding people who possess the same common interests is usually not so simple. I have read a few anarchists blogs, to try to become more familiar with the subject, for the purpose of this debate. An interesting thing one said, was; "if you ask 10 anarchists what anarchy is, you will probably get 10 different answers". So even know they all want a state of anarchy, they all seem to have their own ideology of what that state should be like. Are you representing a group, or just yourself? If you are representing a group, which group are you representing, and are you sure they share the same ideology as you present here? PRO wrote; "The people as a whole would generally come into agreement of the state of anarchy I pretty much do have an idea of everyone as a whole deciding together how they want things to run. Everyone basically wants the same thing in life whether you believe it or not." If everyone wants the same things, I wouldn't have to believe, just by reading what you just said, I would know since you imply that everyone wants the same thing. The list. 1- you want to be well and healthy; Yes, but not always achievable, no matter how much I want it, or how much others want to help me. 2- you want to be free; Impossible to achieve, even if we didn't have rules, we still have to play by the laws of nature. There are restrictions all over us, even our body is one of it. You get paralyzed, and you will be in whatever spot one will like you to be. You are healthy, your body still have limits. If there are limits, you can't ever be truly free. 3- to serve no master; In anarchy, you would have a master, the master would be all of us. You would serve every master, and every master would serve you. 4- to crawl and humiliate yourself before no man; Agreed, but anarchy cannot guarantee such. 5- you want to have well-being for yourself, your family, and those near and dear to you. And not to be harassed and worried by the fear of to-morrow; Agreed. 6- you want health, liberty, and well-being. Every one is like yourself in this respect; Agreed, but again, one not achievable, and the other cannot be guaranteed. Conclusion; I can say I would love to have them all, and give you props, and that even know many are not achievable, it doesn't mean we should not try to see how close we could get to achieve, and maybe be proven wrong. I would love this to be as simple as you proving me wrong, and we achieving such of act, I would forfeit this whole debate if it was that simple. *"Then why should we not all seek it together, by joint effort, helping each other in it?" I never say we shouldn't, sign me, up, I'm up to try. *"Why should we cheat and rob, kill and murder each other, if we all seek the same thing? Aren't you entitled to the things you want as well as the next man?" I think there are many reasons. *"Or is it that we can secure our health, liberty, and well-being better by fighting and slaughtering each other?" We cannot secure any of them, either way. *"Or because there is no other way?" There are always other ways, I don't know if anarchism is the best way, but I'm certain that it cannot achieve liberty. Other problems with creating a state of anarchy today. Pretty much the entire globe has being claimed, population is to massive, and anarchist are spread out to different regions and countries. Let's say part of the country wants to form a state, they need land to do so, and this land must be detached from government power. The way I see, every citizen has the right of part of the land (in case a few weren't happy and would want their own state, and want to brake from the condition of the country they are currently in). Because of the population is massive everywhere, how could one possibly decide what size of land does this group has the right to it? Pretty much every minute there is someone somewhere being born, dying or become of age that would give them the right to decide and take responsibilities for the regime. So how does one begin such of state of anarchy with such conditions? If you want to achieve what you desire, a war wouldn't be a good idea, war traumatized people, I doubt they would have much freedom with such of images on their head. You seem to want the communism route as well. The problem with communism is that we aren't the same, and even know you believe we want the same things, even if true, we don't all have the same energy and desire to go after it. So you will have some people doing more than others, and you can't force them to do more since they are free not to do so. It would work if we were all responsible, and didn't pay attention to others of how they perform. However, most people do, and they get irritated to the idea they are doing so much, and getting less than those who do little. You may say; "no, they will get the same things", but that wouldn't be so, while one is working the other can't, or won't. Those who work more, and are more responsible, would feel that, if others did more as they should, they wouldn't have to work as hard, and could enjoy more of a free time. It is not that they don't want to work, is because they would feel those other should also be doing more. Some jobs are also more valuable than others, and require more to be given of one to become good at it. If you could choose anything you want to do, is very likely that most would choose the easier things to do, unless such of skill came easy for them. So your state would lack of many areas that require a lot of dedication and willpower, and you couldn't ask people to study areas that you really need to have since that would be going against what they really want. If you are deviating someone of their path, you are taking freedom away from them, and you want the opposite of that to achieve your liberty. If you cannot sustain your state, it will eventually fall. The anarchist state, a picture perfect to visualize, if everything goes as planned. The world doesn't work that way, you can only do your part, and you can't expect others to do theirs, specially in this reality you presented since doing so would be expecting their choices to be acting according to your ideology, and not really being who they are. You provide a list of a few communities, but you did not list anything about them. I read a bit on each, and I cannot see why you feel those are good examples. Do you think any of them accomplish anything (or are in the path) to achieve what you state on your resolution, (If so, please point to me how is that so)?