DJ Tiesto is the best DJ in the world

Me: "I acknowledged that he won it in multiple years." Pro: "No, you didn't." Me(round 1): "appears twice with two separate dates but also twice again nearer the top of the list without a date for either." Here, I was acknowledging that he had won this (Dutch only) award in '03 & '04 as shown in the list. I'm suggesting that the OTHER TWO times this award appears (with no date and apparently pasted from a separate source) may be duplicates. --- My opponent seems to still be extremely confused about the distinctions between DJing, producing and being a recording artist. "DJing involves bringing into existence music by intellectual or creative ability." No it doesn't, it involves playing music not creating it. The fact that many DJs (including Tiesto) are also music artists and producers does not change the definition of DJing. "A DJ is a public performer." Of course but this is a semantic attempt to categorise a DJ as a recording artist because they happen to be a performing artist. It's like saying Bruce Lee was painting when he performed martial arts. It seems my sources are not being read, so I will provide helpful excerpts: "A disc jockey (also known as disk jockey, DJ or deejay) is a person who selects and plays recorded music for an audience." "A recording artist creates recorded music, such as CDs and MP3 files." "In the music industry, a record producer has many roles, among them controlling the recording sessions, coaching and guiding the musicians, organizing and scheduling production budget and resources, and supervising the recording, mixing and mastering processes." Tiesto's achievements in these separate fields do not make him a good DJ. --- http://en.wikipedia.org... "DJing goes into 84 categories. There is a lot more to it than just selecting and playing music as you say." Absolutely. It seems that you have been reading a little after all. In this list you will not see anything about creating or producing music. "DJing= beatmatching, beatmixing, chopping, scratching, along with many others. Those are music related categories, are they not?" Yes but they are categories OF DJing, not OTHER musical categories like the ones you were referring to. "DJing =/= other music related categories." None of Tiesto's awards are for any of these DJ categories. --- Michael Jordan is clearly not the best basketball player now or he would still be playing in the NBA and representing his country. The nba link confirms him as the greatest of all time, not the current best. --- In the last round my opponent equated opinion with fact. When I pointed this fallacy out to him, his only response was to say that skills could also only be judged by opinion. The difference being that I did not equate skill with fact. Although we use our perception to judge the extent of a skill it is less subjective than mere personal preference and in a battle if one demonstrates superior skill they win, this is more accurate than awards. --- <"DJ's record mixes to play at events."> No, DJs generally mix live, unless they are not sufficiently skilled. (It is after all, a performance). <"How can I be sure that the ones that I have mentioned are not categories after all?"> Because they have nothing to do with playing records. <"Syncing, nudging, and cross fading are also categories, yet they are not listed"> Syncing = beat matching (synchronising), nudging = tempo adjustment (part of beat mixing), cross fading is part of many techniques including most scratching and mixing (the cross-fader selects which record is playing and a scratch DJ uses it to cut the sound he is scratching with in and out). <"Prove it then. Define master and prove objectively that Tiesto is not a master of them."> That would be a different debate. In this one, you as instigator and Pro must prove he is the best. There is no evidence of Tiesto mastering very difficult turntablist techniques or even a basic level of scratching. Beat-mixing is difficult for a beginner but anyone who puts in the effort will soon get the hang of it. Scratch techniques like 'the crab' take years to develop. It is common sense that the best DJs in the world should master many genres and styles. Our definition for "the best" describes an individual who can take on and defeat all comers. Tiesto has never competed, much less won a serious DJ battle/competition like the DMC. http://www.youtube.com... http://www.youtube.com... http://www.youtube.com... Thanks. Con.