Atheism or Theism

I also wish to remind him (and the audience) that it is simply not enough for KeytarHero to refute my arguments--he needs to also prove that it is likely that such a God exists (hence the term "on balance of probability"). Likewise, it is simply not enough for me to refute his arguments. =====> Abstract<======The existence of God has always been a major part of philosophy. However, the standard definition of God is unlikey. I am defending two contentions: (1) There are no good reasons to believe in God; and (2) The non-believe in God is warrented. =====> Opening Arguments <======C1) Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence 1. If a claim is extraordinary, then in the absence of extraordinarily strong evidence in its favor, the claim may be considered false. 2. The claim that a god exists is an extraordinary claim. 3. Therefore, in the absence of extraordinarily strong evidence in its favor, the claim that a god exists may be considered false. 4. There is no extraordinarily strong evidence for the claim that a god exists. 5. Therefore, the claim that a god exists may be considered false. In order to understand this argument, we need to define an extraordinary claim. I will define an extraordinary claim as: A claim that contradicts accepted physical laws or our common sense, everyday experiences of the world. [2] So, the question is, ‘Is God an extraordinary claim? ” I contend to you that indeed, it is. Let’s take a look at this chart that I have drawn up. God Man Holy Unholy All-knowing Limited knowledge Perfect Imperfect Immortal Mortal All-loving Evil Invisible Visible Just Unjust As one can see from this chart, God has attributes much different than man; indeed, God is incomprehensible compared to man. [3] Premise 3 states, “Therefore, in the absence of extraordinarily strong evidence in its favor, the claim that a god exists may be considered false. ” We now need to ask ourselves two questions: 1) Why is one justified in rejecting extraordinary claims in the absence of extraordinary evidence? 2) What is the basis of extraordinary evidence? Allow me to give you the following propositions and ask yourself “which one do you immediately reject, and why? ” 1) I am a member of Facebook, 2) I won the multi-million dollar lottery, and 3) I own a transportation mechanism that transports you from point A to point B in under 1 second. Which one do you immediately reject without further ado, and why? If you guessed point 3, you would be correct—and totally justified in rejecting proposition 3. Allow me to explain why. According to Facebook stats, Facbeook currently have 350,000,000 members [4] hence, to claim that I am a member of Facebook is not unheard of, nor is it an extraordinary claim. Claim 2 is certainly more extraordinary than the first; however, people have won the lottery before so it is not unheard of—in order for one to accept this claim, one may need to look at just my lottery ticket, or the numbers on TV. However, claim 3 is quite different. In order to accept claim 3 with just my word, you will have to: 1) Change your current views on the technology of today, 2) Change your views on how people transport from point A to point B, and 3) Change your perspective on the person making such a ridiculous claim (and ridiculous is quite appropriate). So, you see, extraordinary claims do require extraordinary evidence. So, what type of evidence is there for God? I contend that there is no evidence; it will be my partner's burden to prove so. In the words of Keith Augustine: "God, as conceived by the major religions, does not exist. I hold this neither dogmatically, nor as an article of faith. Rather, I think the existence of the Judeo-Christian/Islamic God is as improbable as the existence of Zeus and the plethora of Olympian gods. I am simply more consistent in my skepticism. I have the same amount of evidence for the existence of Yahweh, Jehovah, or Allah as I have for Zeus--none. " [5] How does this cast doubt on God's existence? Consider: God wants us to "love him maximally"; and if that were to be the case, one would need to know for a fact that God exists (or at least have extraordinary evidence to prove that He exists). One cannot "love a being maximally" that does not exist or is hidden. C2) Incoherent attributes argument 1. Anything that has contradictory attributes cannot exist.2. God has contradictory attributes.3. Therefore, God cannot exist. We are debating a Judeo-Christian type God, so before we go any further, one must need to know what the Judeo-Christian type God is: almighty, eternal, holy, immortal, immense, immutable, incomprehensible, ineffable, infinite, invisible, just, loving, merciful, most high, most wise, omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent, patient, perfect, provident, supreme, true. [6] A contradiction is by definition two or more propositions that are incompatible with each other; [7] therefore, if God is self-contradictory, how can He exist? We know that the Invisible Pink unicorn cannot exist because it is impossible to be both invisible and pink; and invisble and cognative (namely, the shape and feel of a unicorn; whatever that might mean). Now, you may notice something: Those attributes are contradictory. If God is ineffable, and incomprehensible, then this seems to contradict the other attributes; for how can the attributes of God be known if He is ineffable and incomprehensible? Consider:1. If God cannot be known or understood, then his attributes cannot be known.2. God cannot be known and understood.3. Therefore, his attribues cannot be known. There are more contradictions than just that,; for if God is all knowing, then it is impossible for him to change the future; if He is all-just, then he cannot be merciful. We get the picture. Paul Tobin points out: Thus the characteristics of God as supplied by Christian theologians are nothing more than meaningless and contradictory concepts wrapped in theological garb. [8] Because God is contradictory, it is impossible for him to exist! C3) Atheism accurately portrays the universe in which we live My final defense for atheism is this: Atheism accurately portrays the universe in which we live. In order to understand this contention, let's first make some observations1. Over 700 extra-solar planets and solar systems have been found. [9] 2. Our known Universe is at least 13 billion light years across. [10] 3. In our known universe, there are at least 125 billion galaxies. [11] 4. In our solar system, we have 8 planets and hundreds of different rocky layers. 5. All-in-all, earth is the only known planet with life--let alone, intellegent life. In his essay, Why I am not a Christian, Richard Carrier notes:Suppose there is no God. If that is the case, then the origin of life must be a random accident. Christians rightly point out that the appearance of the first living organism is an extremely improbable accident. Of course, so is winning a lottery, and yet lotteries are routinely won. Why? Because the laws of probability entail the odds of winning a lottery depend not just on how unlikely a win is--let's say, a one in a billion chance--but on how often the game is played. In other words, if a billion people play, and the odds of winning are one in a billion, it is actually highly probable that someone will win the lottery. Now, if the game is played only once, and the only ticket sold just happens to be the winner, then you might get suspicious. And if the game was played a billion times, and each time only one ticket was sold and yet every single time that ticket happened to be the winner, then you would be quite certain someone was cheating. For nothing else could explain such a remarkable fact. [12] So, we see; atheism predicts exactly that; namely, that life is an accident and that there should be more failed attempts than successful attempts; that is exactly what we see. I await your reply.