God is NOT Pro-Life

Con concedes: "Well, he does, but from the rest of R1, it seems obvious that Pro does not intend to "simply" prove God uses the death of the unborn as punishment." The CON agrees that God uses the death of unborn children for punishment. The CON then goes on to qualify that it is ok because God is not subject to His own nature. CON: "God is not like an elected leader that we are accustomed to, who arises from our own number and is expected to follow the rules he legislates or passes. He is God, the creator, owner and sustainer of the Universe. He made the rules for Israel, but he is not expected to make sacrifices or pay the temple tax, or anything else under the law, because he is above the law." CON: "My opponent points out a portion of the account of King Menahem as if it were an action approved or ignored by God" When an all powerful and all knowing and all loving God allows atrocities to happen without intervening, this is called ignoring, therefore allowing. CON: " As judge of the all mankind, God has the authority to make rules for us that do not apply to him. Your parents had the authority to set a curfew for you, but didn't have to follow the curfew themselves. This doesn't make them hypocrites." Comparing parents with God does not work. It is about God's nature and whether or not He can go against His own declared nature from the Holy Bible. Either God is the standard of what morality is or He is not. CON writes: "Pro adds to this simple argument other burdens for him to prove, such as the hypocrisy of God in killing the unborn, and the moral illogic of Christians taking a moral position when God doesn't follow that same rule." Hypocrisy of God in killing the unborn If God's actions and His commandments are not aligned then they are contradictory. Which either makes Him a hypocrite or non-existent, or not supreme. If God's commandments are expressions of his holy and loving nature, then to do things contrary to his commandments would be to act against his own nature. This makes God a hypocrite. (1) Any act that God commits, causes, commands, or condones is morally permissible. TRUE (2) The Bible reveals to us many of the acts that God commits, causes, commands, and condones. TRUE (3) It is morally impermissible for anyone to commit, cause, command, or condone, acts that violate our moral principles. TRUE (4) The Bible tells us that God does in fact commit, cause, command, or condone, acts that violate our moral principles. TRUE What is the nature of a God that says: Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up. -- Hosea 13:16 What God commands is moral, the Bible is accurate in its description of God's actions and commands, and there are certain acts (Hosea 13:16) committed or commanded by God that are immoral. "One irony is that through the moral gymnastics to justify why a good God behaves worse than the most vile criminal in human history, the believer maintains that God is still the one and only source of moral goodness in the world. So the believer, like most normal people, has a highly developed and sensitive capacity for recognizing goodness and moral obligation, but they systematically refuse to apply that capacity to God. If they did, the obvious result would be that God"s a moral monstrosity, and yet they maintain all the while that God, despite his failure to live up to any of those obvious moral truths, is the real source of goodness. Their infatuation with the God idea has rendered them unable to see something that would be starkly obvious in any other ordinary case; if a person behaved like God is alleged to, we would think that he was guilty of the most awful moral crimes in moral history." - Matt McCormick