The Walking Dead Game Season 2: SPOILERS! The player's choice not to shoot Kenny was justified

Obviously my opponent and I are following different rules. It's not his fault, I should have asked. I was under the impression that I was supposed to wait and save my rebuttals that my opponent was giving in round 3 for the final round. Now I will challenge them all REBUTTALS FOR ROUND 3 Rebuttal 1: It seems my opponent is defending Kenny when it comes to Arvo. I"d like to say that you"re not looking at it from all perspectives in this case. Yes, Arvo shot Clem, which from our perspectives, is wrong. However, it"s very arguable that Arvo had a justified reason to do it. In episode 4, Clem has the choice to rob Arvo of his supplies. This already makes him hate you. Then during the gunfight, Clem shoots his sister in the face, since she has turned. Arvo however, has no knowledge of his sister turning. To him, it looks like Clem shot her in the face while she was trying to get out of harms way. He never knew his sister turned. Although he is wrong, no one explained to him the truth. I"m sure many people would feel the same way if they saw their sister getting shot in the face" Also, I don"t agree with you when you say that Arvo caused Luke"s death and the presence of Walkers. There is no proof for either. Luke happened to stumble on a weak part of the ice. There is no proof, nor an indication that this was caused by Arvo running. It just happened. The walkers also showed up before Arvo ran. If anything, there was a group of walkers that was drawn to the gunshot from Clem when Kenny got attacked by a walker, which is RIGHT BEFORE THEY CROSS THE ICE (39:13 my video). The group even states this was loud. Both of these accusations are not Arvo"s fault, it seems like you"re just trying to make him look worse. Can you blame Arvo for trying to run from the man who constantly threatens him? In your sub point, you insist Jane cares for herself. She came back for CLEM. In the last round, I proved that she doesn't care about just herself, she set up this ploy to get Clem to realize that they should LEAVE Kenny. Can you blame her for wanting to do this? Separate someone you like from someone who will get them killed with his anger? Seems reasonable. Rebuttal 2: You're right, I forgot about Carver"s men and the overrun of walkers. However, it was still a sound plan. Yes, there are the dangers of his men and the walkers, but all they need to do is scope out the area. If it"s safe, they can search for the supplies. If it"s not safe, or there isn't supplies, they could try Wellington. After all, it is only a days setback. My point which you seem to ignore however, is the fact that Kenny refuses to compromise. Carver"s place was a legitimate plan, that everyone except Kenny would agree to. I understand he has another opinion, but to completely disregard theirs when the rest are in agreement? He kinda sounds like a dictator. Rebuttal 3: You say they leave because of Arvo. Why? There is no indication for that. (1:07:35) Mike states himself. "Listen, we just got to get away from that guy, Clem. Okay?" They are taking Arvo with them because they don't believe he deserves the treatment he is receiving from Kenny. They want to get away from the dictator. He then asks me if I have forgotten that Jane left the group. She came back. That's what counts right? You say Jane is all for keeping the family out. Does she force your choice? No, she simply wonders if it's a good idea. And again, what was the reason at first Kenny wanted to leave Lilly for dead? Because they argued a lot? That's pretty cold. REBUTTALS FOR ROUND 4 Rebuttal 1: "My main question for you is, if Jane knew Kenny would try to kill her, then why did she go through with her plan?" This entire ploy was to convince Clem that Kenny wouldn't change, and that they should leave him. This entire thing was escalated by Kenny. Yes, she knew it would go that far, but was hoping it wouldn't. Her intention was not to kill him. (1:28:35) "I was just... going to try to talk you into coming with me. I just thought if you saw Kenny like that.. you'd know we'd have to leave him." Her plan was for Kenny to overreact, and Clem would be convinced to leave him. No matter how many times you accuse her of it, there is no proof you can provide that says her intention was to kill Kenny. And I did not ignore your reasons that Kenny thought she killed the baby. I had a whole rebuttal last round as to why they weren't good enough to kill Jane. They were enough to SUSPECT her of killing the baby, not prove it. You also insist that Jane could have stopped the fight at anytime. That's true. However, halfway through the fight, she was justified with wanting to kill him when she started to swing her knife. Jane knew she didn't kill the baby, and had said it was an accident. Kenny is still trying to kill her. I don't know about you, but if someone was accusing me of killing a baby wrongfully, and was trying to kill me, I'd react the same way. Her intention was for Kenny to overreact, not to kill him. Rebuttal 2: I was not challenging you to list off more good things Kenny has done, I was proving Jane's worth. There's no point in listing off more things. Simply listing off more examples doesn't give Kenny more of a right to live. They've both done good things, and bad things. Of course we've seen more things from Kenny, he has been with us from the beginning. We've only seen Jane for three episodes. She could have done more good things, we just haven't seen them. So no, I disagree with you. The fact that you like Kenny more does not prove who should live. Rebuttal 3: "So as you can see, Kenny did it for himself and the group." Yes he did. That doesn't stop it from being a cold decision. My point was that Kenny is not guilty when it comes to screwing someone over, and that just because Jane has made some cold decisions, doesn't mean Kenny hasn't. Why does that put Kenny on top? "So, just because she wanted to save Clem the burden of cutting ties, means she's justified in killing Kenny? That makes no sense!" Don't put words in my mouth. By cutting ties, I meant separate her from Kenny, not kill him, I have never insisted that it was her plan to kill him with this ploy. She believes he is a danger to Clem's life, and she wanted Clem to get away. She was justified with killing Kenny when he tries to kill her, because she knows she didn't kill the baby. Why wouldn't she kill someone who is trying to kill her for something she didn't do. Rebuttal 4: "Tell me why these are so un-reasonable." The reasons you gave are reasonable to SUSPECT Jane could have killed the baby. They are un-reasonable as reasons to KILL Jane, as I have stated in my last argument, I will not repeat myself. I'm not giving you 3 scenarios where Jane would lose the baby. It's pointless. Although unlikely to happen, my scenario is not impossible, which you are implying. As long as there is one possible scenario, it can happen. Not believing doesn't prove that it's false. Also, what makes you think she would get skin irritation from falling on soft snow? As I said, her awkwardness does not mean she didn't care for the baby. You have ignored the evidence I have provided suggesting that. Had a problem watching AJ? SHE ELECTED TO WATCH HIM! So in conclusion, all of Pro's reasons to justify Kenny killing Jane are either irrelevant, or are based off assumptions. Assumptions are not enough to prove anything. The reason Kenny killed her was because he thought she killed AJ. Did she? NO. Was it her plan to get him killed? NO. Did Kenny escalate the fight? YES. Based on these reasons, I have proved that Kenny did not have a good reason to commit murder, and that it's not justifiable for the player to let him live. Is it smart to have someone skilled, realistic, and level headed? Or someone who's anger puts everyone in danger? Kenny HIMSELF agrees that Clem made the right choice if you shoot him (1:26:30) Don't let bias affect your JUDGEMENT Vote Con! Thank you!