Resolved: In the United States, juveniles charged with violent felonies ought to be treated as adult

Well quotes are mostly opinions, soooooo. Btw, EDGEWORTH HATER! DEFENSE: I reinforced myself with a steel butt plate so u cant spank me xD 2 Arguments at once, woot: "Really? How does it not? My opponent makes no argument against the sanity state of Eric Smith, which is a main point of that argument. He murdered someone because he needs mental help. In fact, this was a key point of defense for Eric's attorney. Just because he SHOULD know something doesn't automatically mean he DOES." "It being murder doesn't change ANYTHING. It's still hypocritical BS. Also, my opponent completely ignores the main argument again." Oh really? You think they cant see the difference between stealing a candy from the candyshop and killing someone with a rock? Murder is serious as you know and if they commit such serious felony, they are thinking as adults at that point. And serious crimes accepts NO excuses like a problem. (Unless hes driven insane, but the perpetrator clearly shows his sane) "That's only FEAR from the punishment, not the punishment itself. The argument is that punishing doesn't help the offender sort out any problems he has, which by the way, CAUSED THE CRIME IN THE FIRST PLACE." Fear from punishment is fine as it scares them from committing a serious felony in the first place. Even so, murder isnt always committed because the person is having a problem, they could be greedy or they couldve hated someone. And even if they do have problems, we are talking about a very serious crime here! Having a problem is no excuse for such a serious crime. "That was one simply case, my friend. This applies to instances of abuse and violence in a bad environment, which are no doubt off the carts in this age. The kid is then offhandedly taught that this is 'OK', even if it wasn't intended by the parents." And that, my friend, is where you are wrong. As I said, childrens WILL see a difference between stealing and murder. What you explained was just a simple case were someone is stealing candy (or something xD) because they thought it was ok. Do you think parents can tell their childrens that murder is ok after seeing your parents commit one and the next day see your parents thrown in jail? If you think its possible, prove it. "They know a gun can get them what they want, and that's enough reason for parents to KEEP THEM OUT OF SIGHT, which apparently doesn't happen enough. That's not even mentioning that some kids don't even understand the concept of death until a certain age. For me, it was when I was 12 when I was forced to realize that there is no coming back from life we see so much in cartoons and kid's programs. Juveniles apply to 10 and up, so we're literally dealing with the fact that it's possible to throw a kid in jail WHO DOESN'T EVEN UNDERSTAND THE CONCEPT OF DEATH YET. So from the kid's Point Of View they can get whatever they want and the person they shoot can come ck from the dead, so everything is A-OK." Yeah right, thats from your point of view anyway. Juvenile only applies to childrens at age of 14 to 17, the argument of yours fails here. As I said, no one tells you to pick up the gun and shoot someone. If the child grabs the gun and commits a crime or robbery, then he is thinking as an adult. "Oh, really? Here I bring in my trump card for the family argument: The MAMA organization. Victim's families understand the concept of redemption. ANGELA WILLIAMS Founder of MAMA (Mothers Against Murderers Association) Inc, a remarkable support group in West Palm Beach. Seventy-three women, all of whom have lost a child to murder, meet at this storefront office every other Thursday. The walls are lined with the photographs—the mother with her lost child." This trump card wont work here xD, as you see, its an organization organized because they believed in something. They believe that they can forgive those people that killed their child, but that doesnt mean that the punishment should be overlooked. Also, your so called trump card doesnt show even who the perpetrator was that killed their childs, rendering this argument useless as it couldve been an adult or another child. Also, it only lists 73 womens from the 70 million citizens rendering this kinda weak too. COUNTER-ATTACK: *Slams the desk* "1. With this response, it feels as though my opponent has ignored my entire case. There is no 'should' in the mind of a child. How a child is brought up in the present completely changes him in the future. And it's not like when you are' treated as an adult you aren't punished AT ALL. Your just getting a second chance to make up mistakes, something the Affirmative side cannot do. Yes, I agree, kids SHOULD know that killing someone is wrong, but that doesn't mean they always DO, which is why a child specialized psychologist will do wonders for a child that doesn't know right and wrong." Yeah right, we are talking about 14-17 year old childrens here. They SHOULD be knowing whats right and wrong. But you are the one that keeps saying that they dont always do. (If you are 14 and you still dont know whats right and wrong, then uhh god should help you) Also, if you give them a second chance because they committed a murder, then why didnt we give those second chances to adults that also committed murders? Its really unfair isnt it? Think about the facts before you accuse me of ignoring your points. "2. We don't allow children to smoke and drink alcohol because it's bad and unhealthy? Really, bro? Then why can Adults do it? I'm 15 man, and I want a job badly. Why? Because I want to buy and save up for important things in the future. I don't think I'm one wanting one when I get on Facebook and half the posts are "I NEED A JOB." But anyway, lol. I never said that abuse and bad environments force you to commit crimes. Do they influence you to? Your damn right, they do." Well, its your problem for not being able to get a job, ur 15 so ur allowed to apply at certain jobs. (Dont rage at me because you cant get a job T_T) "My opponent seems to not understand the fact that violent felonies don't only apply to murder, but they apply to cases such as Robberies as well. They broadens the horizon greatly in terms of bad influences. Morals aren't the same for everybody because everybody was raised a certain way. I don't see why someone should be punished FOR THE WAY THEY WERE RAISED." Ahum, robbery is serious as you just said since a life is in danger at a robbery. But here comes a new one: EVERYONE goes to school right? The school teaches you whats bad and wrong, no? Not listening? Punishment.(Your parents = spanking) At the age of 14, i hardly can believe that someone would still not see the difference between good and bad. No matter how you are raised, when you are 14, you SHOULD be knowing whats wrong and right. (School aid in building the childrens inner mentality) ATTACK... not interested except for one :P used most of my weapons in DEFENSE "And, I don't mean to be a jerk, but it would help if my opponent used spell check. I hate having to correct them when I copy and paste his arguments." JERK, whats wrong with my spelling X_x SUMMARY: Most of my opponents arguments has failed, since juveniles are only applied on 14-17 year childrens. And as I said, childrens will know the difference between stealing a candy and giving someone a bullet in the head. Also, my opponent has no sources which means his arguments could be made up. Google cannot help you at everything xD Btw, sadly i cant use the Check Your Spelling thing as my browser for some reason cannot load popups. Source: http://www.fair-debt-collection.com... http://www.time.com...