god is the Ultimate Source of Love in This World

It doesn’t matter if you are christian or not because that’s what we are talking about is the christian god as mentioned in the previous round. “But even with those verses, it doesn't say that God himself killed the kids.” Learn to read please. God---hates---children. He put those laws, rules and regulations into effect so others like you could follow them. Is it any blunder why millions of children are brought into this world and abused every year? Its because of god and RELIGION. So you find “love” in any of those verses and something is seriously wrong with your bird brain thinking as is with all christians as they try to invent excuses, as you just did, to justify their means to an end. “God has promised Paradise to every kid that dies and Paradise means no suffering.” Really? According to what imbecile? You? How would you know? Now you show me in the bible where is says this? It doesn’t state ---anything--- like that. I truly despise people like you that have to flat out lie and invent excuses to cover for their religion’s ridiculous faults. In fact in the bible children do not even get to say one fricken sentence. So that right there is the worst kind of child abuse known - to be ignored and neglect. So you can come up with all the humdrum excuses you want. “God knows everything we do before we do it. Exactly. That doesn;t mean we don't have free will.” Oh it most certainly does because you just described perfectly how man does not have free will. Here’s also what you are saying… god gives power and more value to a person who rapes, beats and tortures his 6 year old child who does not have the free will to SCREAM at the top of her lungs and escape as daddy is punching her in the face sometimes twice per week for 14 years. Wow that’s god’s “love” - right? You are such a genius. Tracie Harris: "Your question was regarding free will as an argument for allowing suffering. That's when you get into the problem of evil. Now the problem of evil as we all know is not an argument that demonstrates that no god exists or that god exists. What it demonstrates is that god is your god is an a$$eth. What she's telling you is she believes in a god, and I assume she worships this god? Its like is she 'happy' about her god?" Caller: "Oh oh yeah everything except for the old testament." Tracie "In other words what she is saying is 'I love this god who believes that the free will of the rapist is more important than the free will of the child being raped. That I think that its worth it to have a child be raped because I really really put a high value on a rapist's free will.’" Even better is YOUR god could easily take the evil and hate out of what you call free will in which clearly does not exist IF you believe in god, but no he leaves evil and hate in free will proving that YOUR god IS evil and hate, NOT love. "When she dies does she get to go to heaven? If she gets to go to heaven will she be happy? And she’ll probably say “yes”. And you say “Will you be able to choose and do anything you want while you are in heaven?” And she’ll say “yes.” And so you are basically saying “you’ll have free will in heaven?” So you have free will in heaven and no one is being hurt, raped, so you can do anything you want and no one gets hurt. If god has that power in heaven, he must have that power on earth. So he’s chose not to set that condition/ toggle switch which means he’s a dick." Phil Ferguson Suppose free will does for a fleeting moment in your benign religion… then that means that your god is not in control of everything, he does not know everything, he is not all knowing and not all powerful, he is most certainly not omnipotent, and most definitely not perfect in which we already know after all he created the human race with all of his imperfections.“If we didn't have free will, you wouldn't be questioning God's power either.” Oh I most certainly would because you forget I am an atheist and I 100% know that YOUR god does not exist. After all there’s no way that he can unless you believe in utter hate. “We can…” Who is this “we”? Um no its you. “make every choice we want.” No you don’t. Not with without the blank stare of your god. “Why do you think murder is the biggest sin?” Woah. Stop right there. Murder is NOT by any means the biggest sin. Not---even---close sparky. Do you even know anything at all about YOUR god? Apparently not. I’m going to let you stew on that and you think about what the biggest sin is. Sheesh. Anybody who knows anything at all about YOUR god knows what the biggest sin is. And then the second one is… So STOP INVENTING EXCUSES and flat out lying from something in which you know nothing about and pretending you do. Nothing, absolutely nothing p**ses me off more than somebody like you who tries to squeak his little roto rooter moo juice on by and actually thinks its going to work with someone like me who DOES know what he’s talking about. But then again your conversation has nothing to do with god’s love. So let’s change the subject and get back on track. Well if you were to have paid attention to the video what was stated…Don Baker “Can we agree that killing your kid is a bad thing and that its not a demonstration of love?” Caller “Oh my god that the most perverse thing. That the person was possessed. That god made me kill this person.”“Don Baker “So when god kills jesus, that was a bad thing - right? And not a demonstration of love.” Caller “ No I…”Tracie Harris “Its perverse.” Caller “I think, I think if he said it then he did it.” So killing kids is a bad thing. But naturally when god kills kids its a good thing and its somehow justified and that’s somehow “love” - correct? Your god MURDERED 2,821,364 in his bible in one small little splatch of land alone. So don’t tell me that murder is the ultimate sin because then that’s a true hypocritical contradiction. And even worse is this god of yours would have had to have murdered children and babies in that figure. Even worse is YOUR god invented abortions. Hey what was the great flood with pregnant women? And yet christians are so against abortions. So YOUR god is a contradictory hypocrite. Tracie “In the bible the only reason why people had to die was because god set up this system of sacrifice which is really weird.” Don Baker “So he’s killing himself to appease himself for a rule he made up. What a bunch of bulls--t.”Tracie “He could have just said ‘treat people well and I will judge you on that instead of people must die’. Let’s be clear on this. Nobody had---to---die.Tracie Harris “If I could stop a person from raping a child, I would. That’s the difference between me and your god. He watches and shuts the door and you go ahead and you rape that child and when your’re done I’m gonna punish you. If I did that people would think I’m a freakin’ monster.” Caller “(sounds like) Truthfully (continues) you portray that little girl as someone who is innocent when she’s as evil as…” CLICK Matt “Goodbye you piece of BLEEP!!!” SummarySo how is any of this god’s the ultimate source of ”love” in the universe? And don't change the subject!!!