Plethora Virgin 79

" Computers are a benefit enjoyed only by a few people in the world. Most people are unable to do so." Agriculture was invented by a few people. Most people would have been unable to invent it. " Agriculture was invented by a woman actually." A. Source? B. Who cares? Females can be exceptional geniuses too, so that is not an objection. "Anyways... The average worker works 16 hours a day in a factory making Adidas tennis shoes, and is paid 2$ a week for it." A. That 2$ a week buys more value than any hunter gatherer could ever produce. B. That's a lie, average per capita GDP for this planet in today's dollars is roughly 5000 dollars http://www.j-bradford-delong.net..., your estimate would place it at just over a 100. " You mean the ones in Ethiopia, starving because their agricultural efforts failed? " Because they have a monarch who suppresses their economy? And no, I mean the ones who were ALL PEOPLE other than a few exceptional hunters in preindustrial society. "You know the industrial revolution occurred 9850 years after we adopted agriculture? 9850 years of suck doesn't sound all that nice." Nevertheless, that "Suck" existed only for a specific class of - the person who would know how to hunt, but not how to farm. The person who invented farming however, clearly derived benefits :D. "And in Ethiopia, the poor can't even afford dog poop. America got the nice end of the deal. Ethiopia, and much of Africa didn't." Ethiopia, and much of Africa, always sucked. That's why early humans migrated north to Asia, and some to Europe- better environment for people to live in. " Slavery only occurred because of agriculture." Excuse me. If I have to obey "Big muscle hunter gatherer"... I am enslaved. Slavery in one form or another has been largely the fact of human existence, for all existence, until recently. This applied before agriculture. It is only with agriculture that there is a chance for anyone other than chief to NOT be a slave, because you are no longer dependent on living as a herd animal. " Seeing as the population density was 1/600000 of its current level, I don't think land is all the big a deal. If both you and I want cookies, we may fight if there is only one, but if there are 600000 cookies, I think we'll be fine. " This ignores the fact sthat a. Most of the land in the world is uninhabitible without a specialized, i.e. an agricultural, society. B, land use is much less efficient under hunter gathering. C., hunter gatherers are almost exclusively mystics, so if they think x hunter disrespected the herd somehow, or disrespected them by hunting on their "Ancestral grounds," or whatever, they aren't going to be too terribly rational about how many cookies there are. By the way do you like cookies? Cause those aren't possible without agriculture. :D. " Poor in INDUSTRIALIZED COUNTRIES. What about the other 5 billion starving masses? " The other billions (I highly doubt you can complain "Five billion" legitimately considering how many huge countries are moving toward some semblance of industrialization) are as they were before iagriculture. Barely on the edge of survival. If x program (agriculture) results in benefit for some and no change for others) and y program results in no benefit, x program is superior. "Tribes would do things like ridiculing someone who did well hunting so that they didn't get a big head. " Ridiculing? It's called physical torture. Anyone with a "Big head," i.e., anyone with a slightly human sense of self-esteem, anyone who is not just a hairless herd monkey, anyone who MATTERS would not give a damn about ridicule. And besides that's bad evolution, to discourage the production of more food. Without opposing forces (like agriculture) any such species would quickly go extinct.