Jesus

Thank you, again, for accepting. Due to your lack of comma usage; I had difficulty understanding some of your points. I know, I also have a problem putting in commas, but please try. "2) Everything in both of our religions can be viewed as farfetched! We are talking about religion a thing built of faith and different views of the same words!" 1ST of all, this debate is not, comparative religion. It is whether or not there is evidence that Jesus is the son of god. (My religion, contrary to popular belief is not based on faith. We can discuss that some other time.) 2nd of all, faith is not evidence. Faith is by definition "belief that is not based on proof." "3)..." It seems obvious to me, that you did not bother looking at the context, as I suggested. For your convenience I will copy the verses here so everything will be obvious. Matthew chapter 1: 1 This is the genealogy[a] of Jesus the Messiah[b] the son of David, the son of Abraham: 2 Abraham was the father of Isaac, Isaac the father of Jacob, Jacob the father of Judah and his brothers, 3 Judah the father of Perez and Zerah, whose mother was Tamar, Perez the father of Hezron, Hezron the father of Ram, 4 Ram the father of Amminadab, Amminadab the father of Nahshon, Nahshon the father of Salmon, 5 Salmon the father of Boaz, whose mother was Rahab, Boaz the father of Obed, whose mother was Ruth, Obed the father of Jesse, 6 and Jesse the father of King David. David was the father of Solomon, whose mother had been Uria s wife, 7 Solomon the father of Rehoboam, Rehoboam the father of Abijah, Abijah the father of Asa, 8 Asa the father of Jehoshaphat, Jehoshaphat the father of Jehoram, Jehoram the father of Uzziah, 9 Uzziah the father of Jotham, Jotham the father of Ahaz, Ahaz the father of Hezekiah, 10 Hezekiah the father of Manasseh, Manasseh the father of Amon, Amon the father of Josiah, 11 and Josiah the father of Jeconiah[c] and his brothers at the time of the exile to Babylon. 12 After the exile to Babylon: Jeconiah was the father of Shealtiel, Shealtiel the father of Zerubbabel, 13 Zerubbabel the father of Abihud, Abihud the father of Eliakim, Eliakim the father of Azor, 14 Azor the father of Zadok, Zadok the father of Akim, Akim the father of Elihud, 15 Elihud the father of Eleazar, Eleazar the father of Matthan, Matthan the father of Jacob, 16 and Jacob the father of Joseph, the husband of Mary, and Mary was the mother of Jesus who is called the Messiah. 17 Thus there were fourteen generations in all from Abraham to David, fourteen from David to the exile to Babylon, and fourteen from the exile to the Messiah. So, 14 generations is clearly, as I said, as it lists a chain of 14 people. This contradicts Luke where it lists much more. "5)..." I am saying, that, the same way the old testament calls the entire Jewish nation "sons of god", so is the NT calling Jesus "son of god", as he was a Jew.(As a Jew, I can ashore you, Jews are not god, nor literally sons of god.) My opponent writes: "Deuteronomy 14:1 "You are the people of the Lord your God......" It is saying .....You are the people under your most powerful, authority God." I am afraid that you have an incorrect translation. (I am not shore what translation you have, most English bibles say, "You are the children of the LORD your God".) I have, and, understand the original Hebrew. It says "bunim" which means sons. "6)..." LOL. It comes out from my opponents words, that, god is human. "7)..." Sorry about that one, it was not a good example, here are some: Matthew 9:6 But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins, (then saith he to the sick of the palsy,) Arise, take up thy bed, and go unto thine house. Matthew 17:9 And as they came down from the mountain, Jesus charged them, saying, Tell the vision to no man, until the Son of man be risen again from the dead. Matthew 17:22 And while they abode in Galilee, Jesus said unto them, The Son of man shall be betrayed into the hands of men: Mark 10:45 "The Son of Man came not to be served but to serve and to give his life as a ransom for many." Matthew 18:11 For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost. Matthew 19:28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. Matthew 20:18 Behold, we go up to Jerusalem; and the Son of man shall be betrayed unto the chief priests and unto the scribes, and they shall condemn him to death, Matthew 20:28 Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many. Matthew 24:27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. Matthew 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. Mark 2:28 So the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath. John 12:23 The hour has come for the Son of Man to be glorified. My opponent writes: "2) I don't need to use the Bible. Jesus is a known fact he is impossible to prove that he never existed." LOL. Anyway, I am not arguing that he doesn't exist. I am just arguing that he is not literally (son of) god. "3) It is accepted he performed miracles in the act of God and is accepted that he did." Accepted by whom? And even if he did do miracles, that doesn't prove he is god, son of god, prophet, or even necessarily a good person. Here is an interesting passage from the OT regarding miracle doers: Deuteronomy 13:1-5 "If a prophet, or one who foretells by dreams, appears among you and announces to you a sign or wonder, 2 and if the sign or wonder spoken of takes place, and the prophet says, "Let us follow other gods" (gods you have not known) "and let us worship them," 3 you must not listen to the words of that prophet or dreamer. The LORD your God is testing you to find out whether you love him with all your heart and with all your soul. 4 It is the LORD your God you must follow, and him you must revere. Keep his commands and obey him; serve him and hold fast to him. 5 That prophet or dreamer must be put to death for inciting rebellion against the LORD your God, who brought you out of Egypt and redeemed you from the land of slavery. That prophet or dreamer tried to turn you from the way the LORD your God commanded you to follow. You must purge the evil from among you." We see here miracle does not necessarily mean anything. "4) You are arguing he is nothing more than a prophet" I said no such thing. "(a) He would realize that God is real and not fake being one with him because he would realize he would go toe hell" What does that have to do with whether he is son of god? "(a) He would realize that God is real and not fake being one with him because he would realize he would go toe hell" 1st of all he didn't. 2nd of all even if he did see the passage from Deuteronomy 13 which I quoted before. "(c) Assuming that he isn't God and assuming God rejects him for saying he is then he is a true magician with true magic because God would have taken away his powers granted by him." "6) Then you are against both of our religions and Muslims because then you are refuting the three largest and longest lasting religions' God." Factually false. Judaism (and other religions) was around much longer. And moslems, as well as many christians, do not believe christ is god. Some believe he was a prophet. Truth does not follow #'s. Most of the world thought that planet earth is flat.