There Never Should Have Been An Iraq War

" I am simply advocating that the Iraq war could have been avoided. "Really Pro? Changing the debate at the end of round 3? This whole debate has been about whether or not invading Iraq was ethical or not, not once did you even mention that the purpose of the debate was that "The War in Iraq could have been avoided". .. .. .. . Ill just address his final points and get this over with," I was saying that invading Iraq because he was massacring his own people a bulls$^9 reason"How is stopping millions of people from being killed and wiped out by the will of an insane dictator not considered a valid reason for warranting his removal from power? You even brought up how America should have intervened to stop genocides in Rwanda and Guatemala, but when it comes to Iraq genocide just suddenly doesnt matter anymore? "Saddam didn't want weapons inspectors in because he wanted to implant in the Iranians that he had a WMD"So refusing to allow peaceful inspectors into the country to conduct normal business because Saddam wanted to scare the living sh*t out of another nation is a perfectly acceptable reason for why he should not comply with international regulations. .. .. If Saddam truly wanted to keep a shroud of mystery over his weapons program because he feared an Iranian invasion more than a US invasion, then he left the US with no other options and Saddam suffered the consequences. " Figurative language Con. I did not think someone would take the word "crusade" and misconstrue it as you did. ""A holy war undertaken with papal sanction" = The Free Dictionary. http://www.thefreedictionary.com... " any of the military expeditions undertaken by the Christians of Europe in the 11th, 12th, and 13th centuries for the recovery of the Holy Land from the Muslims. " = Dictionary. com. http://dictionary.reference.com... "Crusades - "Holy Wars". http://www.hyw.com...Bicker about the definition all you want, we can all agree that The war in Iraq was not a crusade/holy war"Why don't we invade them (North Korea) with the unstable condition that they're in? "Because Iraq lies in the most unstable and most armed part of the world who has already invaded numerous countries numerous times in the 1980's, 1990's, and threatened to invade several other neighboring countries. North Korea had their military run in 1950, got whipped, and have sat quietly ever since. North Korea also doesnt have a history of using chemical weapons on its own people, threatening Israel, jeopardizing world trade in oil, etc. "according to Con' quotes there is a lose connection between 9/11, Osama Bin Laden, and the war. "9/11 raised awareness for the US to keep an eye on countries that supported, sponsored, funded, and approved of terrorism and terrorist operations. Iraq came up on that list. It most certainly does not mean that Iraq was a cause or reason why 9/11 took place. .. . Seeing as how the Pro has resorted to wordplay rather than defend his faulty argument that Iraqi's did not cheer the death of a man (Osama) they never had any connection to in the first place, lets count that as a concession. "-"Invasion of countries that upset international trade"- invasions that we helped finance. "The US only provided a handful of weapons to Iraq 30 years ago in their war against Iran, The US has since provided no funding for the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait, hostilities against Saudi Arabia, or contributions Iraq made towards the numerous invasions of Israel. Ok Lets cut to the chase, the Pro can play conspiracy theorist all he wants, but since he changed the resolution Ill address his one and only argument. "the reasons the government told us for going over there had non-violent solutions. That Saddam's crimes against his people could have been stopped if the west quit exporting weapons over there. That sanctions would have worked because you can't build a WMD without parts made in the west! There was an alternative to the war, there was an alternative to all those deaths, there was an alternative to all those fatherless children and, that alternative was peace. "1) The US was not constantly exporting weapons to Iraq, the deal that did occur happened 30 years ago now and it came with bad judgement on behalf of the US. That being said, since there was no way that the genocides in Iraq could be stopped by "exporting weapons" to Iraq, the only way the genocides could have ended is if Saddam was deposed of, or if the US just waited for them to end. .. .. . That means that an Iraq War was necessary to end genocides in Iraq2) Sanctions do work well, I mean North Korea is still nuclear free today, Burma is still a very stable democracy thanks to sanctions, Iran has made absolutely zero progress in obtaining a nuclear weapon, and Cuba has enjoyed a long period of prosperity since Castro stepped down after economic sanctions were established in the 1960'sOh Wait, none of that happened, because economic sanctions almost rarely work and rarely are working. . http://hnn.us...http://www.cbsnews.com...http://www.alarabiya.net...http://arabnews.com...3) "The alternative was peace" or in other words "The alternative was ignoring it"Lets explore history where the US solved international problems "through peace" - The US handled the Rwandan Genocide through peace, that ended very nicely with 800,000 killed. .. http://www.freerepublic.com... - The US fought the Cambodian Genocide through peace, 20% of the entire country died in 3 years. http://www.vagabonding.com... - The US fought the Darfur Genocide through peace, close to 3 million affected and 5,000 still die every month. http://www.darfurscores.org...So whether or not this whole debate is whether or not the Iraq War was ethical or avoidable, let us recap. 1) Saddam was no innocent man. He invaded Iran and Kuwait while threatening Saudi Arabia and Israel. He authorized the genocide of his own people simply through will. He was caught with huge stores of chemical weapons after being overrun by the US. He was one of the largest threats to world peace for 30 years and had the power to cripple trade in the Middle East. And on top of that Saddam routinely denied peaceful inspectors into his country solely for intimidation reasons against Iran. Even the Pro admits that "Saddam was a messed up guy"2) Sanctions dont work well at all, they only delay the process if they delay anything at all. Iraq was sanctioned many times and instead the only people who took a hit were the Iraqi people, not Saddam's regime. 3) The US sold weapons to Iraq just once. .. .. .. .. . To fight Iran. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. 30 years ago. .. .. .. .. .. The US was certainly not selling Iraq weapons constantly while these genocides were going on, so we could not end the genocides by stop selling the Iraqis weapons that we werent selling them.4) "Creating an arms race to run Iraq into the ground" - The Pro's tactic for fixing Iraq, which I think we can all agree was laughable now. .. .Therefore, The War in Iraq was unavoidable because peaceful tactics rarely work and because Saddam was outside of anyone's control to be reasoned with peacefully or reasonably.