Zoophilia/Bestiality should be legal and is not inherently immoral

"Very good arguments. I might even actually reconsider my point."That would be a welcome change (not from you, in general)."I'll be taking away the focus on the morality aspect of this (since you covered it pretty well) and more to the legal, secular aspect."*cringes* ... what I meant to say with premise 1 is that I don't think that is possible. I fully agree with you that a nation's (or smaller group) morality dictates the laws they pass. What's more I don't think the law should be based on anything but morality.Consider this, the law is a code of behavior. It can only do two things. Specify a duty, or prohibit a behavior (or if it's a very bad law a thought).Morality is also defined as a code of behavior. They occupy the same conceptual space. Any discontinuity between them can and is an injustice by definition. If the law permits something immoral it isn't doing its job. If the law prohibits something moral it is infringing on moral liberty, which is to say rights. If the law demands a duty that is not morally owed it is extorting the people. If the law holds a moral duty no duty at all it is again insufficient. You can talk about the law is without talking about morality, but what the law should be? That is morality.Therefore we can talk about the practical implications, we can talk about animal and human psychology, biology etc... without dealing with morality but you can't continue to uphold the con position unless you want to assert that even if bestiality is moral it should still be illegal... and I specifically dealt with that in my opening argument by essentially saying that's another debate."What would the implications of legalizing bestiality be? Just think for a moment. What if bestiality was legalized in your country? What do you think would happen then? Surely there would be some riots or protests from religous groups taking offense at the legalization of it."Yes some protests. I am sure many would use it as evidence of the total moral depravity society has come to, and harp for years on how they warned everyone that accepting homosexuals was a slippery slope."Also, think about this: Would it be inherently useful to legalise bestiality?"Again, I don't see legal or moral questions as matters of use or disuse. Those questions belong to individuals or companies when they are deciding how they will use their own time and money.I would advocate this change if there was only one zoophile in the world, and if I claimed something was immoral I would advocate it being illegal even if 99% of people would benefit from it."We know that it is hard to find exact numbers of peoples with a sexual attraction to animals due to the stigma attached to it. Think about it: would legalizing bestiality help the people who are born with an attraction to animals, or would it hurt them?"Help them, sure some persecution would come down to the personal level but that's only because such conflicts would no longer be an instant win for the harassing party when they call PETA.On a side note, I am not convinced people are born zoophiles (or homosexuals for that matter). It is fully possible that the time of formation was during childhood sometime, and also possible that it is reversible even if we don't know how to reverse it. "If it was legalized, people would still be unaccepting at first of it, and people with an attraction to animals would be outcasts."I... can't fix people hating zoophiles or what they do, just like I offer no solution to homophobia or racism except to give it no measure of validation in the law.I believe people have the right to discriminate, with their own interactions, money, and love. I draw the line at the law because the law is force. Unless you have a right to do it yourself you don't have a right to do it through law.If it was legal zoophiles could have a reasonable choice, they can still stay in the closet if they are afraid just as many homosexuals are in the closet (or at least low key) when they know people around them won't accept it.However there are four cases in which legalization would have an immediate positive effect.1. Zoophiles are losing opportunities for deep trusting relationships with other people (straight or zoophile) because of the huge risk in telling. Even if a zoophile doesn't want it public knowledge, there are people who should know. Potential spouses (especially), vets and doctors, other zoophiles, close friends, family. There are things about a person that are inexplicable unless this is known about them. While it is illegal, not only is it risky to tell anyone, but it also places that person in the position of being aware of illegal acts and possibly having to lie to the police to protect you.2. Zoophiles are afraid to get professional medical advice, or if needed treatment relating to their activities. No it is not particularly dangerous but there are always risks.3. Zoophiles don't like to be law breakers, who does. Even if they told no one it is easier on the self-respect to not break the law.4. Zoophiles would be much less vulnerabe to blackmail.5. Last but certainly not least, for those few who do want to tell the world or who are otherwise caught; they don't deserve to go to jail. Their animals don't deserve to be shipped off to strangers or worse."Eventually, they would be accepted, yes, but it would take a long time for people who aren't even used to the idea of people having same-sex attractions to get used to the idea of inter-species relationships."However long that takes, the law can be just in the mean time. Furthermore I don't think that process is even occuring because of the law. Homosexuals only made significant steps after the law was changed for them. You can't expect anyone to learn about or accept people who are so deep in the closet the police can't fish them out.Acceptance will only happen if zoophiles are free to tell people around them about this. Right now people see friends, family, coworkers. They have no idea their zoophiles so of course they aren't going to accept something that means nothing more than half a second of conjured imagary and a tiny biased news article."I think that most zoophiles should adopt a "don't ask, don't tell" policy for the time being, and just patiently wait until bestiality starts to get accpeted."I am going to quote you a pinned thread from a zoophile website I am a member of, it is a public site so I don't think they'll mind.Ramseys' 12 rules for new zoos. 1: Do NOT tell anyone you have sexual relations with animals. 2: Do NOT give out any personal info on line. (It's always a bit of a shock when you find out someone you've been seeing on line lives close to you. You wonder if you've let slip too much info that would allow them to figure out where you live. "Yea I live next to a Piggly Wiggly.") 3: Do NOT tell anyone you have sexual relations with animals. 4: Provide visual blocks to prevent people from seeing you having sexual relations with animals. Close the drapes or barn door. (Don't forget those pesky hang gliders and hot air balloons. And with cheap night vision devices, don't count on the dark either.) 5: Do NOT tell anyone you have sexual relations with animals. 6: Get a job so you can take care of your animal(s) you are having sexual relations with. And PLEASE never hurt them. (Check the 'how-to' if in doubt.) 7: Do NOT tell anyone you have sexual relations with animals. 8: Stay away from humans. (Failing this, at least make damn sure all humans you have contact with are 18+ years of age.) 9: Do NOT tell anyone you have sexual relations with animals. 10: If anyone suspects, deny, counter, disaffirm, disclaim, disprove, dispute, negate, oppose, refuse to accept, repudiate, rebut, and finally refute. 11: Do NOT tell anyone you have sexual relations with animals. 12: Don't trust ANYONE you meet on line. *I think we have the "don't ask don't tell" policy down pat. That's not the issue here.