Resolved: Frozen is better than the Lion King

1) Villians"All his actions can be clearly explained by his true motive and there’s nothing really surprising about his behavior in light of his true motive"Yeah, emphasis on that last part though 'in light of his true motive'. .. . You dont know what his true motive is until almost the very end of the movie and only after you get severely mindf*cked by the big reveal. .. .. "Pro never addresses my point that Hans has a terrible reveal and stupid villain monologue. "Thats because its just a terrible and stupid opinion. .. .. "Pro ignores my point that Scar is an “obvious villain”"I didnt ignore it, I used it as my argument. Everyone and their braindead grandmother could tell Scar was the villian from a mile away, and that he was the most cliche'd villian you could think of. His name is SCAR for fricks sake. .. . How more cliche can you get than that? "Hans is just generic good guy until it is revealed his a generic bad guy. "You realize that makes absolutely no sense whatsoever right? You cant be a generic good guy when you are really a generic bad guy, that literally goes against the very definition of what the word 'generic' means. .. ..2) Sidekicks"The reindeer and snowman in Frozen are gimmicks. While adorable and funny, you could take them out of the movie and leave the story unaltered"Without Kristoff and Olaf Anna wouldnt have found her sister Elsa up in the mountain, Anna wouldnt have been able to make it back to Arrendale alive, and she wouldnt have been able to live after being left to die by Hans in a locked room. Take out the characters in Frozen and people would actually start dying, if you took out Simon and Pumba in the Lion King then everyone still gets to stay alive. 3) Plot" Anna isn’t making big character-driven decisions or struggling with how to come to terms with her past, she is struggling toward fairly well defined goals. "And that counts as character development. .. .. "The vision doesn’t say “get your sh** together,”"I literally was paraphrasing and summarizing that scene. When I asked you to stop relying on your opinion for your arguments, I didnt mean resort to taking my arguments completely out of context. .. .. ." It was an interesting development but ultimately sort of superfluous to the story and sort of ham-fisted in execution. "Aaaaaand youre back to opinions. .. .. .4) Governance"Remember Elsa endangered the lives of the public, including the diplomat, at the coronation AND WAS CAUSING ETERNAL WINTER"All of which was unintentional and on ACCIDENT, in fact she literally undid all the damage and brought back summer at the end of the movie. .. . 5) Other arguments"he arbitrarily values “twists” and “real bad guys. ” "Call me crazy, but voters may consider antagonists and the plot of a movie to be important to whether or not a movie is any good. .. .. "Both films were very successful, but the Lion King is more successful. "A good chunk of the money that The Lion King made was bolstered by 20 years worth of DVD sales, plus several the re-release of the movie in theaters (. http://en.wikipedia.org... ), plus with the DVD sales of the crappy spin-off sequels that were made in addition to the film as well. .. .. Frozen meanwhile has only recently become available to own on DVD, and in 20 years the amount of money it made will go up as well. "Then there’s the award-winning musical…"Then there's the crappy sequels that you keep trying to deny. .. . "The “sex” scene argument is stupid. "We'll leave that to the voters, chances are they will think its kind of weird that the lions in The Lion King CLEARLY had crazy animal sex in a movie meant for children. =================================================================================================Lets wrap this up nicely:The biggest indicators for what makes a Disney movie a good movie is the plot, the songs in the film, and the characters in the filmPlot)- The Lion King's plot was predictable from the beginning, with nobody being surprised to see scar kill off Mufasa to seize power or to see that the teenage Simba doesnt want to be a responsible adult and just wants to hang with his friends. There was cliche's all over the place ranging from Scar being a clear villian, to the dad being a strict parent, to the idea of an unambitious teenager transitioning into an adult due to guilt from his parent(s). .. .. . - Frozen has one of the most unbelievable twists you could see in ANY kind of movie, let alone a disney movie, the concept of love between siblings is something that is truly unique in terms of movie plots, it blows the cliche of love at first sight always working out completely to hell, and really shows that the real villians in life arent always the ones you can see coming from a mile away, it could very well be the very person you trust the most. Songs)- Frozen hands down had better songs in the film than the Lion King, as proven by the number of views, likes, and awards the Frozen songs racked in compared to the Lion King's songs, an argument which con flat out droppedCharacters)The side characters provide comic relief and help out the main character in both films, the protagonists in both films have some flaws they eventually overcome, and the parents are killed off somewhere in the first half of the movie. In those regards, both films have a lot in common. The main difference though is the villains in both films. In The Lion King you can quickly figure out who the bad guy is and what he wants due to how cliche'd of a villain he is, but in Frozen you are completely blindsided by who the true antagonist in the film is and what their motives truly are. ========================================================================================Final summaryFrozen has a far better villain than the Lion King, a far more riveting plot and climax, better music/songs, does NOT have an implied awkward sex scene in the middle of the movie, and is a far less cliche'd movie than the Lion King is.