The Christian God exists (3)

"Say that their was a "big bang." Something had to start that. Why? Because it couldn't have just appeared. For example: I want to make a cake...to make that cake I (me) have to have certain ingrediants...to make that cake right? So for something to appear (i.e. Big Bang)...then someone (God) would have to form that."The cake analogy is flawed because when we see a cake, we know exactly how a cake could come about through someone creating it, and this is always how cakes come about. However, when it comes to universes, we don't know how they are created or if they were even created. We don't even know how many there are. Also, I again ask: if the universe is evidence of a designer, wouldn't god be evidence of a designer and so on until we have infinite gods creating other gods? Basically, you say that the universe couldn't just have appeared, yet God could have."Because their has to be some beginning to something. A random explosion that happened out of nothing is illogical. There must be a higher being to start that. In other words...something/someone that has ALWAYS been around."Why couldn't the universe have always been around? The big bang theory does not say the big bang came out of nothing."I don't exactly understand what you meant about the universe always there...First off...even if that was possible, our world would have been dead LONG AGO."How? The world seems to be working pretty fine, and it's been around for a good 4.5 billion years."I would like to point out that you said they were theories. :)"Yes, they are theories. Just like the theories of gravity and heliocentrism. Theories have a lot of evidence to back them up, they're not just guesses."I don't really get what you were saying...you have to base your knowledge of what you have experienced and things like that. You have to trust reality, (this isn't the Matrix) or else you basically have no truth and everything is an illusion."Exactly, we have to trust in our reality to function, but who's to say this isn't the matrix? We can't be sure, but we make the assumption because it would be dumb not to."I meant this: the big bang theory somehow appeared (out of nothing)...there had to be someone to start it."You're on the right track, but that's still not what the big bang theory says. Why did there have to be someone to start the big bang? Why can't that be the uncaused cause? Which is more reasonable as an uncaused cause: the universe, which we can observe and is obviously here, or an extremely problematic god?"How are we too complex? another example: a clock. In a clock there are springs and gears of various shapes and sizes. Without those very very specific tools...the clock would not run. But how much more complex our we than a little clock! Our bodies function just right so that life is even a possibility. examples: heart, brain, eyes, ears...organs. Those intricate little details just in our bodies are incredible. There is no way that someone (God) didn't design that. Like an artist paints a picture, God formed his world."Back to the cake example, we know that these things are designed by people, but we don't know that the universe was designed by anyone. Humans are not too complex to come about in 14 billion years; nothing is."Second, like I have continued to say...there MUST be someone of a higher being (God) that formed everything. We are much too complex, and everything is so intricate that it is impossible to imagine random materials (which by the way somehow appeared out of nowhere) exploding together and magically gluing themselves into one perfect masterpiece."That's a poor example. Humans came about through natural selection, which is not a random process, and the Earth etc. came about through cosmic evolution, also not an entirely random process.I'd like to note that Pro has not even argued for the existence of the Christian god, just a higher power of some sort. Thanks for the debate.