Guns Should be Banned for Civilians in the USA

"My argument is that a complete ban on guns should be implemented in the USA because guns have been proven to cause an increase in crime, and that they cause more harm than good."And im arguing that there are good reasons to keep guns, like self defense or constitutional right, but you just keep saying that those reasons are overrated. "http://www.guardian.co.uk...;^ Pro gave this source which actually shows that reduced guns does not decrease crime. The US has 270 million guns and 2.97 homicides per 100,000 people. That ranks 27th in the world, and all 26 countries in front of them have less guns then the US does COMBINED. Honduras: 500,000 guns............ 84.4 homicides by firearms per 100,000 peopleEl Salvador: 400,000 guns.......... 39.9 homicides by firearms per 100,000 peopleJamaica: 215,000 guns.............. 39.4 homicides by firearms per 100,000 people Venezuela: 2.85 million guns..... 39.0 homicides by firearms per 100,000 peopleGuatemala: 1.65 million guns.... 34.8 homicides by firearms per 100,000 peopleColombia: 2.7 million guns........ 27.1 homicides by firearms per 100,000 peopleUS: 270 MILLION guns.............. Less than 3 homicides by firearms per 100,000 peopleClearly you cant conclude that more guns = more crimes and more deaths, because if it were true then the US would be annihilating itself from how many guns there are. In reality the countries with the highest homicide rates have a far fewer amount of guns then the US. " It would be impossible to stop all homicides around the world, but if even a fraction of them can be saved then surely it is worth it."It most certainly would NOT be worth it. People get killed way more from car accidents then from guns but it would be suicidal to an economy to ban all cars. If we banned everything that ever got someone killed we would have to ban cars, planes, buses, rocks, baseball bats, and cut off everyones hands while we are at it..... " In the con's eyes anyone who breaks into a house deserves the death penalty"Thats clearly not what I said and putting words in my mouth doesnt make your arguments any less crappy then they already are. "There are other ways for people to defend themselves from attackers. Knives, pepper spray, locks, alarms ext."And none of those will ever be as effective as a gun. "Gun bans were brought into Australia in 1996, during that year gun related homicides increased from 67 in 1995 to 104 in 1996."Youre really not helping your argument..... "this was because of the very situation I described, then as the ban sunk in for the residents homicides dropped to 79 in 1997, and then continued to drop as the years progressed."No where in this report from 2003 does it say that the reason why homicides increased the very year that gun bans were instituted was because of whatever excuse you offered. "If a gun ban is introduced, police officers can charge gun owners for possession of illegal firearms before any shots are fired. Otherwise it wouldn't be a ban on guns."So you would essentially be charging people for a crime they didnt commit because under your assumption everybody who owns a gun intends to use it for nefarious purposes....... " If there is no way of knowing what the founding fathers really meant by saying firearms.....because for all we know the founding fathers were saying that people have the right to set their arms alight."You were claiming that you somehow know how the founding fathers would stand regarding a gun ban in today's society, which is knowledge that nobody has or ever will have..... Its clearly written in the Constitution that citizens have the right to bear arms, and the federal courts have ruled time and time again that citizens have the right to self defense. The point still stands that its a constitutional right that people have the right to have guns, and all the pro has done to argue against this is that 'The constitution is out of date'....."It would actually be very easy to collect the guns once a ban is implemented. In Australia in 1996 the government offered to buy any guns (for a reasonable price) that anyone wanted to sell"Weve had those for YEARS in the US. Theres one in Los Angeles where the government buys people guns and no questions will be asked..... http://www.nydailynews.com...This one in LA is the most successful one in the country and this year it got less than 2000 guns turned in this year. There are 270 MILLION guns in the US and the most successful gun buyback program in the nation only got 1600 guns over the course of a YEAR. Gun buback programs are nice to have but they are certainly no solution to instituting a gun ban in the US...."1) It has been proven that a complete ban on guns does reduce the number of homicides"Countries that have far less guns then the US have far more homicides per 100,000 people then the US, as the pro's own source supports. "2) Guns are very effective killing machines that are statistically more likely to be used in criminal behaviour"Opinion. "3) It is very easy to collect guns with the government offering to buy the guns"Flat out false. "4) Too many gun related killings are from domestic assault"Then maybe we should be promoting marriage counseling instead of taking away all the guns..."5) There are many other ways for people to defend themselves without resorting to the use of guns"None of which are as effective as guns which are still Constitutionally protected. "6) In 2011 19,766 people killed themselves using guns. People who commit suicide often choose to use guns because it is quick and relatively painless. Many people who contemplate suicide decide not to because they do not have access to a gun."Again, a gun ban would only put a dent in suicide numbers, it wouldnt completely eliminate them. Also I find it kind of pointless to ban guns in the US just so that a couple thousand depressed people have to suffer even longer then they want to. "7) Hunting is a pointless exercise which is rapidly losing interest because guns make it too easy for a kill to be made" Super duper opinion..."8) Continued development in gun technology is making it easier for people to commit mass murders"Then limit those kinds of guns rather then ban and take away all of them. "9) The constitution is very outdated and its rules on guns have no place in modern society"MEGA opinion. "10) Gun bans allow police to charge people for possession of an illegal fireman before anyone is actually killed"Unsubstantiated claim based on a false stereotype of what people who have guns use them for"11) Guns encourage people to act as vigilantes and to bypass the court system"Another unsubstantiated opinion. "12) When learning to shoot people are often told to shoot at human shaped targets, which is very sadistic as it also teaches which parts of the human body will cause the most damage when hit with a bullet." Im getting a whole lot of opinions over here since it is more then possible that people shoot at human targets because people train to use guns for self defense against criminals. ==========================================================================Pro forfeits the effectiveness of conceal-carry laws that are more proven to lower crime then handgun bansPro forfeits that you dont need to ban all guns to reduce killingsPro forfeits that many gun bans have not been effectiveGuns are very effective in self defense, more then most other meansIts a constitutional right to own a gunThere is no feasible way for the government to actually collect all the guns in the USSuch a ban wont end all gun-related crimeOnly a fraction of 1% of Americans die from gun related deathsOf the 270,000,000 guns in the US, only a couple thousand are used to kill people, so only a fraction of guns are even used for nefarious purposes. All in all, banning all guns is an idiotic idea