Suicide because of bullying is more unacceptable than bullying itself.

Bullies don't plant the thought but they expand it and they PUSH it. My point is, the victim only thinks of SUICIDE at first yet BULLYING just enhances the idea of death and escape, it just proves that if bullying is stopped immediately, of course the victims will not push themselves in suicide . Are we blaming the victims for committing suicide? Of course not! If a girl did commit suicide, it is because she can't take it, it is because BULLYING is already out of hand and just proves that it is really more unacceptable. YOU MENTIONED ABOUT A REWARD they'll get from it? PLEASE SPECIFY. It is estimated that 160,000 children miss school every day due to fear of attack or intimidation by other students. Source: National Education Association. 282,000 students are physically attacked in secondary schools each month. 71% of students report incidents of bullying as a problem at their school. (http://www.makebeatsnotbeatdowns.org...) That does not show suicide but a minor cause of BULLYING. Even in that simple way (of not hurting themselves), doesn't that show the great impact of BULLYING to the children? How sure are you that adults can't manage BULLYING. Bullying Caused Women"s Suicide, Inquiry Told. That article talks about the death of a woman caused by BULLYING in her workplace. (http://antibullyingcrusador.wordpress.com...) We cannot deny the point that BULLYING already caused SUICIDE to adults, there are more incidents about that. You rebutted my point that bullying is everywhere by saying, " So if bullying is EVERYWHERE, why are we working so hard to stop it? " IT IS BECAUSE BULLYING IS MORE UNACCEPTABLE. Why aren't we stopping SUICIDE? (you mentioned that before) Because the WORLD presumes BULLYING to be very severe and something that must be stopped. We can't question that point? YOU KNOW WHY? THAT IS REALITY. THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT'S HAPPENING AROUND US even though it's very hard to change and ACCEPT that. REMEMBER you said, " So if bullying is EVERYWHERE, why are we working so hard to stop it? " and you said, "Bullying is something that will never be resolved. ". You showed a little contradiction to your point. Anyways, we are indeed WORKING HARD to stop BULLYING. Is there any progress? If bullying is not MORE UNACCEPTABLE there would be at least an improvement. Why are professionals making seminars about BULLYING? Not about SUICIDE BECAUSE OF BULLYING? Another evident example of how bullying overpowers its effects. IN THE SECOND PARAGRAPH OF MY OPPONENT'S REBUTTAL, my opponent was not able to STICK to the topic and to the argument Our argument is "Suicide because of bullying is more unacceptable than bullying itself." And we should argue more on how Suicide because of bullying is MORE UNACCEPTABLE than BULLYING itself, or the other way around. Not on what we should DO to stop bullying and suicide. "Society should make SUICIDE more unacceptable.", how effective is that point? I mean, if society made Suicide more unacceptable, how? By showing how severe the effects of suicide is? By showing how bad it is? Doesn't that show how WORSE BULLYING is?? That because of bullying, suicide is taking place. That if there is LESS bullying, there will be LESS suicides? "Society is giving suicide a positive look by feeling sorry for the people who committed suicide." WHAT? Are you saying that if you are sick and I feel sorry that you are sick, does that mean your sickness is a positive thing for me? I don't think so. Your point is repeating, Society does not give SUICIDE a positive look just because it prioritizes bullying. Pity does not give a positive outlook to the DISEASE. "So little, that people think it's OK to do it.", sorry my dear opponent but you are making a Debate Fallacy. Just because you proved that everyone knows how to pity such thing, does not mean everyone gives that thing a POSITIVE look and everyone thinks that is okay. I pity you when you are sick, do you think it is alright for me to be sick as well? " I was comparing bullying to symptoms of a disease." EXACTLY, I know you meant that, but your analogy of CAUSE and EFFECT was wrong. You can't have the symptoms to be the cause of the disease. "Bullying is causing pain but suicide is the deciding blow." BULLYING is the one that caused the pain and the deciding blow. I guess you misunderstood my analogy, what I meant is that they don't want to STUDY at that moment, I did not mention anything of NOT having good grades. "Deep inside, people want to commit suicide" Why? Why would they commit suicide in the first place? What is that thing that pushes them to do suicide, what is that thing that gave them the idea of committing suicide? Isn't it bullying? Just like what I said, Suicide is indeed an option, but suicide because of bullying (OUR MAIN ISSUE HERE) is an effect, that's why we have the conjunction "because". Drug is an option? But how about "drugs because of medications" isn't that an effect? I am not saying that we don't have a choice, just like what I said in my previous argument, we all have our own choices and decisions, but what do you think pushed us to do such thing? What do you think made us fight? Is it only our choice to fight? As a debater and as the CONS of this argument, I am not taking away our rights to have our own choices, I just want to prove that there are times that things won't go the way we planned, there will be a time that we will be pushed to do such thing, and to make that choice and the choice I mentioned is the effect of what we've felt under the control of fear and danger. "Say, both people are doing it because someone at school is harassing them. Why is a person who takes drugs called an 'drug abuser' while someone who suicides is called a 'victim of suicide'. 'Abuser' and 'victim' but both for the exact same reasons. ", I am not arguing about the difference between victim of suicide and drugs abuser but to defend my point and TO STICK TO OUR TOPIC (very necessary), both of them are victims of harassment, right? Isn't it a type of bullying? I mean, they both experienced depression that's why they did such thing. Doesn't that show how MORE UNACCEPTABLE BULLYING is? If not, then you should have said that Drugs because of bullying is also more unacceptable than bullying itself. At the end of the day, the choice the abuser made is still the EFFECT of bullying which is very unacceptable. "The people who commit suicide need to understand that life is unfair", and to think that life is unfair is because life is not treating them well right? And it is because of our society right? To relate to our issue, life being unfair is the result of BULLYING. " Some of them refuses to understand and kills themselves anyway. That is what is unacceptable. " What's unacceptable is the BULLYING they experienced that made them REFUSE TO UNDERSTAND AND KILL THEMSELVES. "Although bullying may be terrible, the thought of suicide happens all in the victim's head. " And the thought of suicide you are talking about is also caused by bullying. You may say that I focus too much on BULLYING being a CAUSE but it can't be stopped. I know, it can't be stopped, but what's the use of these these seminars and life lessons? Lessons that prove how MORE UNACCEPTABLE BULLYING is. You answered NO to my question, which proves that bullying is indeed an effect. But you countered it back with " And if I were bullied (which I have been) I STILL wouldn't kill myself.", that is YOU. That is your OWN decision, just like what I mentioned again we have our own choices which is the EFFECT of our own situation. SUICIDE is very bad and unacceptable, but how much more is BULLYING? People come up to different kinds of resulted decisions, they tend to make things they don't really have to do, overall, it is because of what we call BULLYING.