L-M Classic: patsox834 vs. feverish.

Thanks Patsox. No new strategies there and several of my points unanswered but let's have a look at my opponent's points. -- Storm. I presented clear arguments for Dracula's potentially greater power, based on his vastly greater experience as well as the extreme effort required by Storm against the minimal effort required by the Count. My opponent has conceded the first point and chooses to completely ignore the second. No evidence or even logic backs up my opponent's argument about Storm's raw power. Comparing the difference between the talents of human baseball players is pretty irrelevant when comparing an ancient undead sorcerer and a young mutant. Pro describes Drac's powers as "wishy-washy", his justification being that the source was vague about specifics. I think this is a baseless conclusion. <"temperatures are apart of what makes up "weather patterns," but she can't raise them insanely high, nor crazily low; however, she *can* still raise them, and raise them enough to weaken Dracula (though that wouldn't be too hard, seeing as he's rather susceptible to sunlight.)>" Temperatures and sunlight are two separate aspects of weather, it is sunlight rather than temperature that can slightly weaken Dracula. Storm can control the weather patterns in her environment, she can not control the sun. My opponent also suggests that to draw enough moisture from the air to create a small rain cloud over oneself would be more difficult than to alter the conditions of the whole city, which is clearly ridiculous. Readers and judges will have to decide for themselves to what extent Dracula's powers can hinder or neutralise Storm's as it doesn't seem that we are going to reach a consensus. I think it's reasonable to assume that they would effectively cancel each other out as each character would be able to foil a weather attack from the other. -- Spawn. Patsox continues to compare Dracula with the Satan character but careful reading of this source shows that the demons were loyal to Satan because of his status rather than because he controlled them through a specific superpower like Dracula does. Spawn only defeated Satan when he was himself made a god (by Satan's mum). It is clear that in this debate Spawn is not a god. Dracula exercises physical control of the undead (although he can control the minds of the living and the dead also) in the same way he can control wolves and rats. http://www.literature.org... When female vampires attack Harker in chapter 3 and Dracula repels them "as though he were beating them back. It was the same imperious gesture that I had seen used to the wolves." this suggests he has the same kind of control over them. It certainly doesn't require a lot of effort because in chapter 4 when he is persuading Harker not to leave: "Close at hand came the howling of many wolves ... as if the sound sprang up at the rising of his hand, just as the music of a great orchestra seems to leap under the baton of the conductor." <"necromancy isn't controlling all that is undead"> Correct. It is a separate ability, also possessed by Dracula. If I wished to misrepresent Drac's power in this area, I would have claimed that he could assume complete control over Spawn. Similarly I could have argued that Dracula could have out-powered Storm to the extent that he had full control of NY's weather. I believe I have offered reasonable compromises which my opponent has rejected without justification. -- Dracula. <"the crucifix, garlic, and sunlight would be enough to make him rather weak>" How would any of team Pro get anywhere near Dracs with the garlic & crucifix, they would not even have enough time to locate these items (my opponent declined my offer of prep time), which in any case would merely repulse rather than weaken Dracula. Again I say: The sun won't bother him under a cloud or in the sewer. <"Well, if Dracula is hidden away from the battle, then he won't be bothering anyone else, either."> This is a gross misrepresentation of the facts. None of my strategies so far involve physical involvement from Dracula and he has been shown to use all the powers he utilises in this battle over significant distances. -- Winds/Mewtwo. Please specify where the source demonstrates Mewtwo's planet destroying winds. <"I don't think blowing team feverish out of hiding would be too difficult of a task."> The nature of indestructible New York alone would defeat this strategy. The city is impervious to structural damage so one would simply need to duck inside a building to be safe from even the most powerful winds. My opponent has ignored my persistent explanations that Mewtwo is just too slow to react to be able to evade my super fast characters, it will be dead before it can contemplate teleporting, it's competitiveness not withstanding. -- Bugs. <"Even if Daffy and company aren't on their level, the power attributed to Bugs is the same one my opponent claims Buddha possesses, so..."> I would love to know where my opponent was going with this. Bugs' trickery is nowhere near the level of a god like Buddha or even a superpowered trickster like Monkey himself. Starks is a genius and Bugs doesn't even fool little children. === I believe I have already conclusively proved that my team would win, however for my own amusement, I will present some strategy variations that rely on different members of my team. -- 1. Technology TKO This strategy uses only my armoured characters. The instant battle commences Boba Fett instructs Slave 1 to drop a concussion bomb on the opposite end of NY, incapacitating Team Patsox. Iron Man flies high above the city and uses his scanning devices to locate the members of Team Patsox. The dangerous members of Team Patsox are then quickly eliminated, Storm and Mewtwo by conventional assassination and Spawn by physical expulsion from the city. Bugs and Buckethead are allowed to come to their senses and are then stalked mercilessly as prey by the sadistic Fett and Pred. This is all too much for kind-hearted Starks who finds some solace when he picks a lock and loots a liquor store. -- 2. Solo Monkey. Monkey could defeat team pro single handed. No problem. So could several other characters in this tournament such as Apocalypse, Amazo and Dracula. Monkey is super fast and a far superior fighter to any of team Con. The only one who would stand a chance is Spawn and he's just another demon to Monkey. Monkey is immune to Mewtwo's mind control and although Storm could confuse him somewhat with water or smoke attacks, this has never succeeded in defeating him before. -- 3.Solo Drac Even without the other members of my team, Dracula's powers would still be too much for team Pro. I have already established how he can easily neutralise the powers of Storm and Spawn and it was established early on in the first LM classic thread that anyone capable of mind controlling others would be immune to mind control themselves, so none of team Patsox's powerful characters would be able to affect him. Dracula would also have an army of rats at his beck and call. No one is quite sure how many rats live in NYC but estimates vary from around 45 million up to 95 million. http://hypertextbook.com... Picture a swarm of 10,000,000 rats attacking each of team Patsox. I don't see how they could withstand this. -- 4. Solo Pred. A riskier strategy but could still possibly work. Predator simply stays concealed with his cloaking device and picks off the other team using his hunting skills and devastating weaponry. Spawn and Mewtwo are stronger than Pred but if they can't see or find him he will always have the element of surprise and the upper hand. --- Ironman could probably do it on his own too but I'm out of letters. Thanks.