Atheist, are under Gods wrath, no attempts should be made to convert them.

Excellent, an opportunity to train, presents itself. I will address my opponents’ opinions momentarily. To the Believers it should be noted that at the present time there are Within Christianity alone approximately 33,820 denominations per World Christian Encyclopedia. 33,820! One must therefore reflect upon the obvious question? Is it a wonder that the unbelieving of the world, mock us at our Faith? Is it a miracle that atheist reject claims of a creator? Is it truly so astounding that so many fail to “FIND” God ? Tsk …. Such a pity. And to “What” do we attribute this too? What pearl of wisdom is proffered the unbelieving when asked the why of such mass volumes of differing beliefs? As recollection of past encounters with hardcore atheist prove “they” are quite aware of these disparaging numbers! And are quick to throw them in your face? Why then the 33,820 denominations? Pull out your Bible see for yourself “which “denomination” name is given or mentioned” in the whole of scripture? Where is your “denomination”? answer that and the problem becomes self-revealing. I bear witness to believers everywhere that there are not 33,820 ways to salvation, there is but one! Yet which one, the unbeliever asks? How sad that even the believers appear to be at a loss to explain its cause, though the answer stands glaring them in the face, yet goes unacknowledged by the greater part of Christians? So to what “DO” you attribute this too? Biblical illiteracy? False doctrine? immaturity? The proverbial I’m right their wrong syndrome? Or do you even know? As previously stated, the problem stares us in the face every time we look in the mirror. There can be only one problem; because there is only “one” common denominator isn’t there? US! Attend me brothers and sisters in Christ? It cannot be the Bible, because it is and remains inerrant …. But “we” are not inerrant are we? So if it isn’t the Bible? Ahhh, you begin to see the problem at its root. “WE” are mistaken, “WE are errant, and why? The answers as always has been staring us in the face, (staring us in the face that is “IF” ) we have been faithful in the study of the word, rather than staring at the TV evangelist, the pastors, and pulpits, theologians and scholars books of the world, from which the mass population of believers go for their weekly dose of being told “WHAT” to believe, what to think, what the Bible really meant or what the prophets really “were” saying? Let us begin to understand “OUR” problem … by seeking the answers, not in a scholars beliefs, a theologian’s opinion, nor even “OUR OWN” opinions. Let the Lord speak to us and tell us the truth of the word Himself. Indeed it has been this that has been missing all along. The problem is not you, them, me, it is us! We have been unfaithful to the word, and it is this that is the problem. Problem #1 there “ARE” no denominations mentioned in scripture! Anywhere so quit looking! The one reason you’ve not noticed this is because you have likely been looking with the eyes of the self, instead of the eyes of Gods spirit. Perhaps it is not that and instead you’ve allowed yourself to be “TOLD” what to belief by your favorite preacher? Perhaps the answer lies in the countless scholastic books you riffle through to “FIND” your theories, your beliefs as it were? No my fellow believers the truth “can only be found in God’s word alone”. John 6:45 “It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.” Note it does not say, Joyce Meyers, Chuck Swindoll, Chuck Missler, Hal Lindsey, nor Billy Graham or any other preacher of the word! There is no name of scholars, theologians, philosophers’ within the Bibles pages is there? So why do you go too them for your dose of Bible? Let me say that hearing the word from such Biblical scholars as these is NOT the problem as many are in fact true to their faith, indeed are even beloved of God. The problem lies in us because we FAIL to follow the instruction of the one whose name we are called by. It is our problem and we need to embrace that responsibility or lack of responsibility to God. Acts 17: 10 And the brethren immediately sent away Paul and Silas by night unto Berea: who coming thither went into the synagogue of the Jews. 11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so. 12 Therefore many of them believed; also of honourable women which were Greeks, and of men, not a few. … searched the scriptures Daily to SEE if it was so ….. yes! It is THIS which made the beliefs of the word one, of one accord of ONE truth, there was no one to tell them what to believe “BUT Gods Spirit” and so they received the one truth, and not the 33,820 implied truths of scholars, theologians and priest and pastors, for of such things “WERE” the Pharisee’s and lest we forget? Matthew 5: 20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven. Quick note* READ Matthew 5:20 as a refresher and as a prompting of the seriousness of pursuing YOUR thoughts and opinions instead of Gods, BUT MAKE NO MISTAKE .... IF you have accepted Christ Jesus AS your savior, YOU ARE SAVED period!!!!! Eternal LIFE was given you AS A GIFT, Christ PAID the price IN FULL, you can add nor take away ANYTHING from it as you GAVE nothing to earn it! (just thought I needed to point that out) Need more proof? I did too once, and at times “STILL DO”? I am forever learning, forever searching within the scriptures for Gods truth an not my own, for I already know, I would “be” wrong if I searched for my truth, wouldn’t I? 1 John 2:27 “But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.” James 1:5 “If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.” So you see the problem then my brothers and sisters in Christ. We do wrong when we go to Men for the word of God, instead of God Himself. IT IS for this cause we come away with 33,820 different BELIEFS, isn’t it? God says what he means and means what He says, until you learn THIS, you will continue to be a ship tossed in the seas described eloquently in the scriptures. Gods word “SAYS” 2 Peter 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. GOD'S WORD® Translation- First, you must understand this: No prophecy in Scripture is a matter of one's own interpretation. Brothers and sisters God cannot BE more clear! *** So why do you seek the interpretations of others including your own, when Gods word clearly forbids this?***** In conclusion of subject- there are 33,820 “INTERPRETATIONS” being passed around as truth …. But there IS only “ONE TRUTH” and it comes from Gods word ALONE! Not from the lips of Men. Let’s us then, forego the words of mortal men as scripture admonishes us that; Ephesians 4:14 -That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; As your Lord directs you; Proverbs 3:12- for the LORD reproves him whom he loves, as a father the son in whom he delights. Hebrews 5:12- For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat. English Standard Version- For though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you again the basic principles of the oracles of God. You need milk, not solid food, Brothers this ought not to be so. So let us SPEAK not in “OPINIONS” as everyone “has them” all are wrong! Let us SHARE the word of God not of Men. As to Con? Should Christians attempt to convert atheists? Yes. Why would we not? An atheist is no more in a state of salvation than a Hindu or a Muslim. Your absolutely wrong my brother; Hindu and Muslim are deluded, not atheist! They BELIEVE in God, just the wrong one, Atheist flatly DENY and REJECT Gods existence entirely, I can see how you “would” think this using secular books to define your beliefs, but this ought not to be so. Scripture alone defines “Who we are, it is not a matter of what WE think is it? It is a matter of what God says! This would have been plain had you not wasted an entire block of debate responding with emotions and worldly thinking. I am not condemning you my brother, were it possible to divulge my emotions in text, you would know this. I too sometimes react rather than “respond” just like you have in your reply of haste. Better you should have used the comments section first, then after discussions together, you could have made GOOD use of the debate block, I am sorry brother for your loss, as our time together rapidly comes to a close, I had hoped for better discussions. No problems though let us make good use of what remains between us!