Jesus is God

Thank you for indulging me. This would be a rather dull debate if you did not accept what I asked of you. 1. Everything that begins had a cause. 2. The universe had a beginning. 3. Therefore, The universe had a cause. This invites a questionYes it does invite the question but it does not answer it. This does not prove the existence of God just something caused something. Stating the cause of everything is God would require outstanding evidence since it is an outstanding claim. This would be begging the question. I think you already know that but you still claim that somehow God exists. A cause is not the same as God. I did read everything afterwards but I think what I said here would answer the main point of this argument. 1. An infinite number of moments cannot be traversed. 2. As such, Today could never have arrived if there were an infinite number of moments preceding today. 3. Today has in fact come. 4. Thus, There could only have been a infinite number of moments prior to today, Which means time had a beginning. Because everything with a beginning must have been caused, The temporal world had a Beginner. Time had a beginning still does not point to a God. Must have been caused is also a claim with no evidence. Can you prove God caused it? I don't think so if you get God from beginning. Stated another way, Unless a first cause (God) exists, The universe would have to be eternal because there would be an infinite series of causes and events that would never lead to a first cause or starting point. I don't see how you got to that. Evolution does explain the diversification of life and a God is not required to start this reality since Evolution happens without as far as we know someone watching over it to if everything works out. And because no contingent being can create itself, The first cause must have been uncaused or self-existent and must transcend the material universe. That is different from the point you made earlier. Everything that begins had a cause This does not apply to God is that what you are saying? I don't see the evidence for it to be so. To explain the existence of a contingent, Temporally finite universe, There has to be a non-contingent being who is wholly independent of the physical universe and who created it. As one writer put it, "If God needed a cause then God is not God. "Has to be non-contingent is an assumption until you can prove it. God can still God to us but he can also have a God. It can be the creator of this universe but another God can be the creator of all universes. Mine is also an assumption but the writer you mention does not know what a God is. God: the creator and ruler of the universe and source of all moral authority; the supreme being. He can be a supreme being to us but God to us can also have another supreme being above him. These cannot possibly have resulted from random processes and chance-an intelligent designer (Being) had to have caused them. You didn't say impossible. Which I think I know why. You cannot prove it to be the case instead you latch on the best idea you have. Why not go with I don't know until you do know. If this is the evidence I had for God's existence I wouldn't believe it existed because these are all stretches instead of a straight line to God. Correlation is not causation. 1. Every design had a designer. 2. The universe has a highly complex design. 3. Therefore, The universe had a Designer. There is abundant and various evidence of this argument involving things we've learned from astronomy and biology, Which we can talk about in another debate. Depends on what you mean by designer. I'll go by this: a person who plans the look or workings of something prior to it being made, By preparing drawings or plans. We still have not found who designed evolution have we? If that assumption that every designer had a designer was clear to us then who created evolution and can you prove it? Complex design does not mean it is impossible for us to end up like how we are now. We can talk about in other debates but for first question you have not proven God's existence since I have found flaws in your reasoning. I think some religious folk use an argument that God is illogical. If you used the same argument then I would say to that is then why are defending his existence with logic? Assumption until you say otherwise and then it is right or wrong. The moral argument (the moral law) states:1. Every law has a lawgiver. 2. There is a moral lae. 3. Therefore, There is a moral lawgiver. How about the laws of Math? Wasn't it here before us? Who made that law? This does not prove God's existence because I have already pointed out a flaw in your absolute statement in premise 1. Premise 2 I am assuming you said There is moral law and in the third premise you said There is a moral lawgiver. I would say to that is that the moral lawgivers are us. Laws are found by us. There can be there without us but when we found them we are the lawgivers in a sense. Morality is subjective to if you also believe in free will or that humans are different. If God made moral laws why are they perceived differently from different individuals? Some believe Christianity and some believe Judaism. Unless there is an objective standard beyond humanity, Then everything is just a matter of human opinion. Facts and universal laws are not an opinions or maths. Without God, There's no way to justify that Hitler was evil, Or that the behavior of Mother Teresa was better than Hitler'sYou lost me on that one. God is not needed for me to think, Make choices and decide. If he was we do not have free will. If we do can I choose not to have God not thinking, Making choices and deciding morally for me or whatever it maybe. Yeah Hitler was evil but what about to white supremacists? No morality is subjective. People are different. Human beings would arguably have no concept of evil, Especially in any kind of universal sense, Unless a moral standard exists apart from us-that is uncreated by us. A moral standard can exists without it being objective. Without a moral absolute that is independent of human consciousness, There would be no point of reference and no basis for determining right or wrong. All moral standards, If they existed at all, Would be relative, And there would be no authority behind our moral judgements. Yes to this. Morality is relative to the person, Environment and genetics. The authority behind the moral judgements is the government. If you murder you go to jail doesn't matter if you think murder is a good thing you are still going to jail. Right or wrong is what you make of it. I can say believing in Christianity is wrong. You would say believing in Christianity is right. Moral absolute does not exist since everyone does not think alike which is a good thing. But anthropological and sociological research shows there is a universal standard of behavior and people that transcends cultures and races. This is an appeal to authority until you show me your sources. There is a universal recognition of evil and an intrinsic sense of right and wrong. Ask Richard Spencer if determining a person based on race is right. This is not to say there are no variations and moral codes among peoples. The basics, However, Are often quite similar. Variation does make it subjective. The basic of what Richard Spencer believes is that race is a good factor to judge a person on. Now I will try to fit what I can about Jesus being God. Sorry about that if you want to drop the God argument in the next Round please do. But I would like a debate on this topic. If you do decide to make I will copy my rebuttal's and you can copy your arguments for Round 1 then we can rebuttal in the other rounds. Omniscient Jehovah I don't agree with the assertion. To me a Jehovah's witnesses cannot be everywhere and as far as I know in the present they do not have the same power. "I Am Who I Am"I don't get it. If someone came up to the street and said they are God and then I said how and they said I am who I am I think they are crazy. Doesn't matter if Moses was saying it, Extra-ordinary claim requires extra-ordinary evidence. God is saying He is pure essenceEssence: the intrinsic nature or indispensable quality of something, Especially something abstract, Which determines its character. Are you saying in some way everyone is God or they are apart of him? If so can you prove it I think you can't. If you point to consciousness then I require evidence. You haven't given me a reason to say why Jesus is God. I await one in the next round.