more guns means more overall homicide

the evidence I cite says more guns, more homicides. that means those laws at best can make the bad presence of guns not so bad. guns are causative, so they are not good to begin with. " The evidence you cite says more guns more firearm homicides. The evidence I sight says more guns less total homicides. This can occur when people who would commit homicide have access to a gun and decide to use that as their method rather than another method as it is easier however without the gun they still would have killed. This means that guns are good as they decrease the homicide rate. "the laws might deter criminals, but it doesn't ensure only good people get guns." You are correct I should have worded that differently. What I meant by that is that concealed carry laws ensure it is only good citizens who can legally get access to and carry concealed guns. "the evidence I cited shows that overall homicides go up with more guns. that means people aren't just killing with different weapons otherwise the rates would be the same." As I've stated earlier the evidence you cited shows that firearm homicide goes up with more guns not overall homicide The following re quotes from your sources " that in homes, cities, states and regions in the US, where there are more guns, both men and women are at higher risk for homicide, particularly firearm homicide." " there was a significant positive correlation between guns per capita per country and the rate of firearm-related deaths" " the more guns there are any in any one place, the higher the percentage of people who commit suicide with guns as opposed to other mechanisms will be." ""for each 1 percentage point increase in proportion of household gun ownership," Siegel et al. found, "firearm homicide rate increased by 0.9" percent. " The following are quotes from my sources First I would also like to point out that concealed carry law is relevant because passing concealed carry laws increase the amount of guns and allow people to carry their guns with them as most people would not want their gun just out in the open as it would look suspicious and possibly scare people. now onto the quotes: "Since 2007, the number of concealed handgun permits has soared from 4.6 million to over 12.8 million, and murder rates have fallen from 5.6 killings per 100,000 people to just 4.2, about a 25 percent drop, according to the report from the Crime Prevention Research Center." "Guns used 2.5 million times a year in self-defense. Law-abiding citizens use guns to defend themselves against criminals as many as 2.5 million times every year -- or about 6,850 times a day. This means that each year, firearms are used more than 80 times more often to protect the lives of honest citizens than to take lives. Of the 2.5 million times citizens use their guns to defend themselves every year, the overwhelming majority merely brandish their gun or fire a warning shot to scare off their attackers. Less than 8% of the time, a citizen will kill or wound his/her attacker." "States which passed concealed carry laws reduced their murder rate by 8.5%, rapes by 5%, aggravated assaults by 7% and robbery by 3%; and If those states not having concealed carry laws had adopted such laws in 1992, then approximately 1,570 murders, 4,177 rapes, 60,000 aggravated assaults and over 11,000 robberies would have been avoided yearly." "In the fifteen years following the passage of Florida's concealed carry law in 1987, over 800,000 permits to carry firearms were issued to people in the state. FBI reports show that the homicide rate in Florida, which in 1987 was much higher than the national average, fell 52% during that 15-year period -- thus putting the Florida rate below the national average." "In 1982, this suburb of Atlanta passed a law requiring heads of households to keep at least one firearm in the house. The residential burglary rate subsequently dropped 89% in Kennesaw, compared to the modest 10.4% drop in Georgia as a whole." While this does not pertain to homicide directly it shows that people are less likely to commit a crime such as homicide when citizens are armed. "In 1979, the Carter Justice Department found that of more than 32,000 attempted rapes, 32% were actually committed. But when a woman was armed with a gun or knife, only 3% of the attempted rapes were actually successful." While this does not pertain to homicide directly it shows people are less likely to successfully carry out a crime such as homicide against an armed person. "On July 9, 2013, a bill to recognize Illinois gun owners" right to carry concealed firearms was passed by both chambers of the state Legislature. There were 6 fewer murders than the same time frame in 2013 " a 9 percent drop " and 55 fewer murders than 2012, police said." "Every place that has been banned guns has seen murder rates go up. You cannot point to one place where murder rates have fallen, whether it"s Chicago or D.C. or even island nations such as England, Jamaica, or Ireland." ""Would Banning Firearms Reduce Murder and Suicide? A Review of International and Some Domestic Evidence." Contrary to conventional wisdom, and the sniffs of our more sophisticated and generally anti-gun counterparts across the pond, the answer is "no." And not just no, as in there is no correlation between gun ownership and violent crime, but an emphatic no, showing a negative correlation: as gun ownership increases, murder and suicide decreases." "The important thing to keep in mind is not the rate of deaths by gun " a statistic that anti-gun advocates are quick to recite " but the overall murder rate, regardless of means. The criminologists explain: Per capita murder overall is only half as frequent in the United States as in several other nations where gun murder is rarer, but murder by strangling, stabbing, or beating is much more frequent."