That God does not exist

1. The attributes of perfection No dictionary, lexicon or encyclopedia defines "perfection" as "posessing omniscience, omnipotence and omnipresence." These are merely attributes God posesses "in addition" to being perfect, not because of it. Mirriam-Webster's Dictionary defines it this way: "perï¿½fecï¿½tion noun \pər-ˈfek-shən Definition of PERFECTION 1: the quality or state of being perfect: as a : freedom from fault or defect : flawlessness b : maturity c : the quality or state of being saintly." This is the primary definition. Here are some examples of how the word is used according to the dictionary: "Examples of PERFECTION She has achieved a rare perfection in her playing. His poetry is pure perfection." Nothing at all here about omniscience, omnipresence or omnipotence. It is clear that "perfection" is legitimately used wihout carrying these connotations. "If God's nature is ultimate power, then it logically follows that any expression of power is in the nature of God." Not true; this is a fallacy. The ultimate power may well be a certain type of power eternally more powerful than any other without posesses all other powers withing itself; Pro assumes that it must include these without proof. If God's power is by nature light, and in him there is no darkness, it cannot also have dark power or Satanic power within it. It is "ultimate" power in the sense that it is better than all others, not because it includes all others wihin itself. To illustrate, the ultimate fighting style may well be able to accomplished the same things as Jujitsu style (attack, defense, etc) and more, without incorporating Jujitsu within it. "However, since my opponent insists I cite a source to show my definition, see here: http://dictionary.reference.com...... . As you will note, there are 3 definitions. The first is pretty much 'being perfect.' The second is 'the highest degree of potency, skill or excellence' which is exactly what I'm saying. Highest degree of potency = omnipotent." The highest degree of 3 things; potency, skill, or excellence. Let's look at each one. Potency is defined this way: (1) Potency (pharmacology), a measure of the activity of a drug in a biological system Virility Potency (stem cell) is a measure of the differentiation potential of stem cells In homeopathy, potency is a measure of how dilute a substance is" (http://en.wikipedia.org...) There are things that no man made drug can do, there is a point at which a drug reaches its maximun activity in the body. There is a point at which a panadol tablet can't do anymore, can't work any faster, nor fight against illness any harded, and this is its point of perfection. No matter how much of the same ingredients one adds it won't work any better at this point; and to add new ingredients and take out some, it would cease to be panadol. So this point is panadol at its perfection. Another drug at its perfection may work better than panadol, but this potency carries no thought of omniscience, omnipotence, or omnipresence. Pro is reading into the words what they don't mean. The highest degree of potency "for panadol" is not omnipotence, the higest degree of potency depends on the nature of the subject. Virility, "Virility refers to any of a wide range of masculine characteristics viewed positively. It is not applicable to women or to negative characteristics. The Oxford English Dictionary (OED1) says virile is "marked by strength or force." Virility is commonly associated with vigour, health, sturdiness, and constitution, especially in the fathering of children. In this last sense, virility is to men as fertility is to women." (http://en.wikipedia.org...) The most viril man, a man at the perfection of virility, is one who can easily impregnate a woman without a second try and probably give her twins or more. It has nothing to do with omniscience, omnipresence and so on...The perfection of masculine characteristics cannot include omniptence because that isn't a masculine characteristic. These examples illustrat the problem with Pro's argument well enough. (2) Skil, "A skill is the learned capacity to carry out pre-determined results often with the minimum outlay of time, energy, or both." (http://www.google.com...) There is a minimum amount of time in which a tiler can tile a floor of a certain size all by himself wihout making mistakes, and at this point, using the least time, energy and resources that can possibly be used while still obtaining the required results, we can say this is the "perfect" tiler. He has reached the point beyond which he can go no further without the system breaking down. (3) "Excellence is a talent or quality which is unusually good and so surpasses ordinary standards. It is also an aimed for standard of performance." (same source as above) I could make similar comments about excellence as skill. "In round one my opponent did attempt to impart additional attributes on God: his own morality. He never told you, however, why following moral codes, which limit you to not do certain things, makes you more optimal." One can be perfectly evil, or perfectly good, but these are opposites, and certainly God can't be both. I will leave it up to the voters to decide if its more optimal to be perfectly good, or evil. If "good," then the morality that comes with goodness would prohibit God from doing certain things like lying, or any other things which he deems against his righteous character. Pro talks about lfying bycicles, meowing like a cat and drawing pictures that can get up and talk, but these things can't happen. There are limits, and once a given thing has reach the limit of what it is able to do it has reached the stage of its perfection. Pro also contradicts himself. He argues that squirrels are not perfect and so God can't become one, because this would limit his perfection, thus making him imperfect; then he argues that to be omnipotent God would have to be able to do anything, even become a squirrel. I have shown omnipotence has do do with the level of one's power, not one's abilities to change form etc. "I'd like to know how my opponent actually knows the future." God told me. And he told me that your laptop wouldn't break down, that you wouldn't collapse and be rushed to the hospital for three days of intensive surgery, and that you wouldn't discover Narnia and go exploring for 3 days. So, are you denying that you even had a choice? You still could have chosen not to reply; but I knew what choice you'd make, cause God told me in a dream. And for the record, people have forfeited before, so just because there is that rule doesn't mean you wouldn't! "God knows who I'm going to vote for. That means I have to vote for that party." No, it doesn't mean you "have to" vote for that party, it simply means that you will. God knows what he will do, so did God predestine himself? This is the kind of childishness Pro is arguing. "I might think I have the choice, but I don't because in seeing the future, God has determined the future." No, he hasn't. Knowing what will happen isn't synonymous with making it that way. In fact, God can change the future. He can see that in the future you plan to do X, and he can intervene in time and make you do Y instead. But he won't tell you that in the future you will do X, because then he would be wrong; he plans to change the future he saw, so he tells you you will do Y. So God may see things in the future without causing them. Further, God told Adam not to eat from the tree knowing that he would. So God didn't make him eat, he didn't even encourage him. And how does knowing what you will do equal making you do it anyway? I thank my oponent for this lively debate; voters, its up to you.