If a creator and an opposition force (example: Satan) existed then we should not follow the bible.

I can only smile. First off I'm going to have to reject the idea that all 6 religions are of the same Perennial foundation, not such much because it is pertinent to this debate, but more so because I think it is wrong and have 8000 characters to play with. Observation 1: There is quite literally no point. Let us examine the situation, the creator creates us and decides it would be a sweet idea to make a religion based on himself. So he makes 6 different religions that all contradict each other on various levels....? Logic dictates no, if he (she or it) was attempting to gain supporters on earth the best way would be to create one universal religion, creating 6 different religions only helps increase doubt. Observation 2: Creating 6 different religions is against my opponents view of the creator. My opponent feels all the creator can do is good, if this were true then the creator would not under any circumstance make 6 different religions that contradict on my levels. If a creator were to do such a thing the very first thing it could expect would be arguments which would undoubtedly over time lead to wars. Lets look to our own world for empirical examples, how many wars have been fought over or about religion? If god = good then god != wars. Observation 3: If god = good then god created one religion. The other religions would have had to have been created by the anti-creator. Thus the idea that the anti-creator creates more religions than the god would be true and thus it is statistically a higher probability that Jesus under the bibles framework of Creator and Anti-creator (God and Satan) was actually Satan in sheeps clothing. However these points probably don't matter much, there are other problems in this debate. ================= First things first. The idea of good. Unfortunately there is absolutely no way for us to determine what is good without a higher power to dictate or tell us such. Otherwise good is simply a human invention for what we see as pleasing, and as we have seen our lust for pleasure has not always lead to things we deem good in the long run. Observation 1: For all we know, everything we believe is good could actually be bad. Hypothesizing that Satan actually wrote the bible and at least 4 of the 5 other contradictory religions that my opponent is grouping with it, we can see what we have been taught under it is actually bad. For instance, it is possible that God didn't want us to love each other, instead perhaps he wanted us to use our superior intelligence to gain the upper hand over others. At which point the anti-creator came along and taught the idea of "love" which went against gods ideas and lead many people away from him/her/it. Observation 2: An opposition force to the creator would not necessarily have to be opposed on every single issue out there, it would simply have to be opposed on one definite issue. For instance if a friend and I both followed a similar philosophy but I felt he should help others and he felt others should help themselves we may have many similarities through our philosophy but we are still opposition forces. Observation 3: Without knowing for sure whether the creator or anti-creator wrote the bible we cannot know for sure what is "good" and what is "bad". If the creator wrote the bible then we can possibly assume that the teaching are "good" however if the anti-creator wrote the bible we are decidedly unsure. Next. ================== My opponent assumes from the beginning that the creator must be good and that the anti-creator must be bad. This is not true. Lets examine some real world creators. Adolf Hitler: Created many things, including an army and a war, he is considered by many not to be a great guy. Benjamin Franklin: Created some interesting inventions, a lot of people like him . Friedrich Nietzsche: Created a philosophy, some people love it, others are opposed. My point is simple. Many people have created things, yet the fact that they have created does not suddenly make them "good". The same is true of any creator, simply because some divine force created the universe doesn't mandate that the divine force is "good". Meaning the flip side of this coin is the statement, "an opposition force to the creator is not necessarily bad." ================= I'm going to argue the Jesus point considering I still have 3,500 characters left, then I will get on to my final contention. Observation 1: Christ could be a teapot, Christ could be a dog, Christ could be a Llama, Christ could be the sun, Christ could be the Koran. Yeah Christ could literally be everything out there, this doesn't exactly explain why the creator would bother making 6 religions and then only have 1 of them actually worshiping the right guy knowingly while the other 5 are worshiping him without even realizing it, because in those instances he is a various books. Observation 2: It wasn't the Koran, Torah, Krishna, or Nirvanna, that stated, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." Why would we or anyone for that matter assume that when Jesus stated this he actually meant to be covering those 4 books as well? Jesus said that quite clearly about himself, indicated by the "I" inherent in the sentence, thus suddenly assuming that the same can be applied to anything is rather faulty. Observation 3: If Christ can be anything here is literally no point to religion at all. Right now I am staring at my T.V, I hereby dub it Christ, thus I have made it to the father!! =================== Finally a realistic counter example. Observation 1: The creator created everything. Thus the creator created the earth. As we cannot see an afterlife or even know if one exists it is safe to assume that the creator meant for us to only see the earth while we are here. Observation 2: It his possible and even plausible that the creator wanted his creation to stay intact, thus the creator would enjoy such activities as pacifism. Observation 3: It is equally possible that the creator felt the earth was of a great importance and wanted people to realize the beauty that he had given to them on earth. In fact, he wouldn't mind if people worshiped the earth for it sustained them through him(or her or whatever) and was great in his/her eyes. Observation 4: An opposition force comes along at some point, this could possibly be due to some kind of divine war, who knows? Observation 5: The opposition force does not want people to see the earth as great, beautiful, and holy. Therefor the opposition force creates many religions all with a primary focus on achieving a good afterlife. Observation 6: This not only makes the earth seems lesser than it is because now there is a hypothetical divine place of greater beauty afterwards but it also shifts the main focus of existence from living life on earth to reaching the afterlife. Observation 7: This opposes the creator, and does so in a way that can still be peaceful. Your move.