Abortion Should be Illegal.

You also do seem like someone who even though is pro choice could be persuaded, thanks to your open mindedness. Obviously form what you have written above, you believe that even if "abortion is illegal, the practice does not stop. " Well, after looking at your profile I can see that both you and I are in favor of keeping drugs illegal. Let me explain where this is going, one of the reasons you believe that abortion should not be made illegal is because it will just continue to be practiced underground, and actually, I agree with that statement 50%. But, then what is the point of voting down drugs if each day the practice of them do not stop either even though they are illegal? Just because abortion probably will not stop the day it is made illegal, does not give you a justifiable reason to say that Americans should never vote it down. There is always going to be crime no matter what the laws are, thats why jails are necessary. But, it doesn't mean we should not make the things that are wrong illegal. And overtime more and more doctors will be thrown in jail thus causing the amount of abortions drop dramatically. You said: "If the argument is that abortion is murder clear and simple, then how can you justify killing a "person" in response to another's life in danger? What makes the mother's life more important than that of the child? " This is a very good question and good thinking on my opponent's part. MOST of the time that a baby is going to kill the mother the baby will not survive either so this would result in the baby dyeing in order that the mother may live. But, that only answers part of the question given to me by my opponent. The decision is ultimately left up to the parents. Its not a question of whether the mothers life is more important then the babies, for, the mother could decide that she wants to die for her child instead so that he or she may live. This can not be thought of as a situation of murder, because the mother was in an act of self-defense against her own child (as weird as that sounds its true), this situation is a painful decision. I also know that these situations become more and more rare as time goes on and now days practically unheard of. Soon this will not be an issue. One could say "but what if the baby doesn't want to die, what gives the parents the right to decide the babies fate" Well, in this situation we have to use common sense. Given the situation where the parents must pick either the mother or the baby to die in order to keep both from dying then the decision most be given to the parents. Because, a baby in the womb can not speak for itself (this is one of the reasons abortion is so terrible), and since it is impossible for the baby to even know what it wants at this point in time, should we then let both the baby and the mother die because of the child's inability to speak in its defense? Or should the parents use common sense and pick which one will remain living. You Said: "What about the cases of rape, do you think a woman should be forced to bring a child into the world that was the product of such a terrible and traumatic experience? " It is a terrible crime, rape, and any woman who was forced by another man to be sexually abused has my sympathy. But first of all, this still does not justify abortion, like I said in my opening statement, there a number of organizations that I know of on a personal level that will give mothers what ever they need to put their babies up for adoption. Not only are there adoptions available, but mothers can find other parents that are looking to become parents, but cant, because of physical problems they may have. This would involve interviews, so that the mother knows who she is giving her child to. Secondly, rape does not make abortion justifiable, because its not the babies fault that the mother was sexually abused. The baby has a right to live, in or out of the womb and with all the help a mother can get from pro life organizations there is know justifiable reasons or excuses for an abortion. You Said: "As a result I think that abortion should be legal, simply because we have no right to enforce our moral standards on someone else. " Pro life supporters are not forcing moral standards on someone else they are just trying to stop 4000 babies from dying each week. May I also remind you that abortion has been legal for not even 40 years this is a short period of time compared to all of America's history. So when it comes down to it, its not pro life believers that are "enforcing our moral standards on pro choice believers," but vice versa. Also why should pro life believers stand back and watch everyday as 4000 babies are murdered, this is America, where we the people have every right to try and enforce laws that we want made. You have seemed to forgotten that 95% of abortions are for birth control reasons, even you say your self that, "I think abortion is an extremely saddening and disappointing thing. I also believe that no one should ever use it for birth control purposes, with many other contraceptive methods available. " From that quote it is obvious that you disagree with birth control abortion, but then why would you insist on keeping abortion legal even if 95% of abortions are because of BIRTH CONTROL REASONS? You are willing to sacrifice those 95% of babies just because you think that pro life supporters shouldn't "enforce our standards onto others," even though it is perfectly legal to do so in America? Thanks again for accepting my challenge I look forward to your next argument, if I sounded to pushy in my argument its not anything personal you actually asked some challenging questions. I hope I answered them well. Think about those 95%. charles15