God Truly Exists

1. If you are saying that God cannot reveal himself to us if he wanted to, Then how is he God? He has, If the Bible is said to be true, Revealed himself to many humans in the past. Your first point is null and void according to the evidence you currently accept alone, Much less logic and reasoning. 2. God does respond to prayers. Exactly the same regardless of the prayer's religion, Who they are praying to, Or even if they don't pray. People get what they want and get what they don't want exactly equal across all religions and lack of religions. This point has nothing to do with whether or not God exists, But only goes to show that the majority of religious people do something that has absolutely no effect on reality or God's plan, If he exists, And so they are doing nothing but waste their time. No difference in prayers versus non prayers is consistent with the position that God does not exist. If it were otherwise, It would be evidence in your favor. 3. Humans have not 'fallen. ' To say so is to say that we are all judged based on the sins of our ancestors, Which you have no moral argument for, And no sane people argue for in our world. If you believe the story of Adam and the origin of original sin, What you have to believe is that humans possessed no knowledge prior to eating the Apple and were expected to have knowledge of what was bad or good prior to eating the apple. They had no knowledge prior to eating the apple. How can God judge them for not knowing that eating the apple was something they shouldn't do, Particularly when he created the snake that convinced Eve, And then Eve used her knowledge to get Adam to do the same. All while God was present, Able to interfere, And does nothing but watch. We don't tell children to not walk into traffic, Tell someone else to tell our children to walk into traffic, Sit by and watch them walk into traffic, And then blame them for walking into traffic before they even know what cars are. My arguments. 1. The universe works without a God. If you say God needed no beginning with no evidence, I can just as soundly say the Universe needed no beginning with no evidence. The argument gets you nowhere. Your position is not an evidence based position. Mine is that I don't know. 2. God is not omniscient, Omnipresent, Omnipotent, And omnibenevolent. If I can point out hundreds of ways our reality could be better, Then it was not made by a perfect creator. In fact, Omni anything is impossible. There is always a limit. To say that this is not true is to claim something again with no evidence. Omnibenevolence cannot exist because I have no reason to accept God's morality, Just as you have no reason to accept mine. God can think things are good or bad if he'd like, But that does not make them so. Morality exists outside of any God. You can say God is all-powerful as much as you'd like, But might does not make right. There is no reason to accept a being's morality simply because it is more powerful than you or more intelligent than you. I am twice as intelligent as some people that exist today. Does that mean they should all accept my morality immediately? No. If I can think of ANY way our reality could be improved, Then the creator is not perfect. If the creator creates imperfect beings that he wanted to be perfect then he is the one at fault. He is not perfect. If he wanted to create perfect beings, Why did he create beings that would defy him within one generation? You can say he wanted imperfect beings, But then how can you blame us for original sin and still call god omnibenevolent? To conclude, God certainly could exist. That is the position of ALL agnostic atheists and even me as an antitheist. The thing is, If he does exist, He has explaining to do long before we accept him as any sort of authority on morality. To accept that God is a source of morality while unjustified suffering exists is to say that Human morality does not matter that only God's morality matters and that God could torture us and inflict the most suffering imaginable on us and still be omnibenevolent. You can believe that if you want. You can be a slave to an eternal dictator. I submit that you would not submit yourself to eternal suffering if God willed it. That you would fight him as I would and call him evil as I would. Human morality is dictated by no other being than humans. We have no reason to follow God's morality even if it did exist because God's morality could say that it is good that humans suffer eternally, And we as humans have no reason to accept this. Few of us would, If any. That being said, The universe works without the God Theory. It is correct that there is still much we don't understand, But no evidence we have confidence in, No laws that currently remain unbroken, Require a God. Therefore, The claim that God Truly Exists is one that is completely faith based and not driven by evidence. The claim could be true, But since there is no solid evidence it is true, We cannot say God Truly Exist. Therefore, Con wins this debate.