God (Yahweh) Is Immoral Based On The Book Of Job

Pro: "Golden rule" And God, in Christ, went through the same fiery trials to prove what He really was. Let's look through the eyes of God. God: "Looking back would I want to be tried and tested and found faithful and true, even unto death?" Answer: Yes. * Pro: "Dad, have you thought this through? They are going to torture and kill me. I don't really want to get tortured or killed." Christ wasn't forced to do anything. "No one can take my life from me. I sacrifice it voluntarily. For I have the authority to lay it down when I want to and also to take it up again." (John 10:18) * "Soldiers choose to go to war. Job did not." I disagree with this statement. He did go to war. It wasn't a physical battle, but it was a battle He chose to fight. * If the Army murdered a soldier's family to put him though a test would they be: right or wrong? Why? God didn't exact murder on anyone in the story. Pro is ignoring one of the agents in the story. God saw the final outcome beyond this life. The final outcome was good, thus it was allowed to happen. This is where omniscience comes in. If you know the eternal outcome of a loss is good, are you morally obligated to stop the loss, or are you morally obligated to allow the loss?In the movie "Bruce Allmighty" God tells Bruce that "if you want to paint pictures like this, sometimes you have to use dark colors". If there is no darkness, there is nothing to overcome. If there is no darkness, there is no proof that we are good without facing darkness. Without darkness, there would have been no way for us to watch God prove that He loved us. I believe Pro adheres to a black and white version of reality. 1)Just make everyone good.Then they don't have a choice. They do not love you.2)Make life easy.Then we don't know that we even love one another. We've never had to sacrifice for one another or prove the depth of our love. * Pro: "Wrong. Society evolved over time, realizing that if we work together then we have a better chance at surviving. Thus empathy evolved the basic idea, "I don't kill you, you don't kill me and we both live." That goes for rape, stealing and everything else. If I don't like it, they probably wouldn't either. What is it based on? Evolution." - I disagree. There are almost 2 billion Muslims who believe in Sharia Law. This is why Europe is having an "immigration crisis". The values of Islam and the values of the West conflict. Sharia and Democracy are completely inconsistant with pne another. Every Western nation was nearly 100% Christian as of less than a century ago. What Pro is relating morality to is the cultural views of the historically Christianized area he lives in. If he had been born in Saudi Arabia, beheadings, mutilations, and rape would take on another dimension in his thinking. * Pro: "Mainly because he doesn't exist." There is good reason to believe otherwise. -The equations used to describe the universe are binary error self correcting Hammin's code. http://youtu.be... -A bright flash of light marks the incredible moment life begins when the sperm meets the egg. http://www.telegraph.co.uk... -Fermi Paradox -Drake Equation -Kalam Argument -Unmoved mover philosophy -Regresses of infinite causality * Pro: "Why would he ask the questions of where the Devil was if he already knew?" It's a rhetorical question. I see you watching football. I ask,"What are you doing?" I already know what you are doing. I have engaged you with a rhetorical question. * Pro: "You start talking about Jesus Christ, which is not what we were discussing." I think Pro may have me confused with a Jehovah's Witness. There is no "daddy". There is just God Himself. The Father and the Son are the same being. Jesus IS Yahweh. (John 14:9) "Jesus answered: "Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father." The Father is God. The Son is God in human form tempted, tried, and refined just as are all men. This is why He is given the crown. He had to prove worthy of it even according to Himself. (Isaiah 9:6) (John 1:1) (John 1:14) (John 5:18) (John 10:30-33) (Collosians 2:9) (Phillipians 2:5-11) (Hebrews 1:8) (Matthew 28:9) (Acts 7:59) (Isaiah 44:6) (Revelation 1:17) * Pro: "If the Army murdered a soldier's family to put him though a test would they be: right or wrong? Why?" Pro is welcome to give us the chapter and verse where God killed Job's family. * "It's an attempt to say this: "Jesus saved us and taught a much more liberal message of love and stuff, so don't pay attention to his father, cause Jesus loves us!" The Lord is the same in the Old Testament. Deuteronomy 10:12 What does the Lord your God require of you, but to fear the Lord your God, to walk in all his ways, to love him, to serve the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul. Deuteronomy 6:5 Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your might. Proverbs 8:17 I love those who love me, and those who seek me diligently find me. Isaiah 65:24 Before they call I will answer; while they are yet speaking I will hear. Psalm 34:18 The Lord is near to the brokenhearted and saves the crushed in spirit. Isaiah 55:6-7 Seek the Lord while he may be found; call upon him while he is near; let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts; let him return to the Lord, that he may have compassion on him, and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon. Psalm 9:10 And those who know your name put their trust in you, for you, O Lord, have not forsaken those who seek you. God has preached the same message from then until now .*Pro still has the burden of telling us what morality is, what he bases it on, and why we should adopt it as the definitive version of morality.