Sith In The Sith era and Old Republic were much stronger then the new sith, and jedi in StarWars.

Power as defined by dictionary.com: "1.ability to do or act; capability of doing or accomplishing something. 2.political or national strength: the balance of power in Europe. 3.great or marked ability to do or act; strength; might; force. 4.the possession of control or command over others; authority; ascendancy: power over men's minds. 5.political ascendancy or control in the government of a country, state, etc.: They attained power by overthrowing the legal government. 6.legal ability, capacity, or authority: the power of attorney. 7.delegated authority; authority granted to a person or persons in a particular office or capacity: the powers of the president. 8. document or written statement conferring legal authority. 9. person or thing that possesses or exercises authority or influence. 10. state or nation having international authority or influence: The great powers held an international conference. 11. military or naval force 12.Often, powers. a deity; divinity: the heavenly powers. 13.powers, Theology. an order of angels. Compare angel. 14.Dialect. a large number or amount 15.Physics. a.work done or energy transferred per unit of time. b.the time rate of doing work. 16.mechanical energy as distinguished from hand labor 17.a particular form of mechanical or physical energy 18.energy, force, or momentum" As you can see, power is not only brute strength. Actually, by looking at these definitions we can see it has more to do with intellect and wit than with physical aspects. "Where as Darth Vader and Sidious had to build an entire star station the size of a small moon to destroy a planet, Reavan and or Nhiulus could destroy the whole planet with the force. No extremely expinsive death star needed." But they couldn't die of the lack of force. Nihilus was enslaved by his power. Sidious and Vader were not. Revan could not destroy planets with a hand gesture. Actually, he could not destroy planets. And to be honest, Revan was not that strong. How did Revan die? He was knocked out by laser cannons hitting his ship. Revan, the Sith, died. Revan THE JEDI lived on. So as you can see, Nihilus being enslaved and Revan dying because he could not see his Apprentice betraying him caused both their deaths. As for Darth Bane being strong, he wore a sheet of force armor over himself. Without it, he was almost defenseless. "It was even stated in the book that even though the seeds he planted might take generations or even centuries to grow when they did it would be monumental. Everything Sidious, and Vader did and had accomplished was due to the plans and cunning of Darth Bane and his later succesors nearly 1000 years before hand." Bane did not plant spies. Bane said one day the Sith would hide in the shadows and take over the Republic. He did not know how or when, but he said one day. Bane did nothing but start the Rule of Two once again. It was Plagueis and Palpatine who created Anakin and then Anakin into Vader. Bane had nothing to do with that. Bane did not foresee the Chosen One. Bane saw a tactic and decided to use it, hoping that it would work in the future. It was Palpatine and Vader who TOOK CONTROL (overpowered) the Jedi and the Republic. "Where did you think Sidious retrived his plans? From studying the tactics of Bane and others like him. Where do you believe he required all his sources from? The shadow brokers and spies that Bane had hired cunturies before hand, and Bane would have to truly be one of the most brilliant dark lords for his plan to have still thrived nearly a millenia later." Haha. This is funny considering a miniscule amount of this is barely true. Bane had set things in motion, but he didn't hire spies and brokers centuries before hand. He didn't even know who the future Apprentices would be. He didn't know of the future Jedi. He didn't know of the Clones. He didn't know of Sifo Dyas and Count Dooku. He didn't know of Plagueis. He didn't know of Anakin. Hell, he didn't even know of Jar Jar Binks. He didn't even know of Yoda! All of them were pivotal to the taking of the Republic. Again, Bane set the Ro2 (Rule of Two) in motion, but he didn't have any idea in the future of how it would be carried out. "Darth Lords are more cunning then the anchiant ones, you are sorely mistaken, for it is due to the actions of the anchiant ones...that the new sith were able to thrive." The New Sith died 1. The old Sith died a lot. The Old Sith were OLD! They didn't have the practice and experience on Jedi. Most Sith Lords hadn't fought against Jedi. They planned on beating them. And the things that they did do usually ended up being destroyed. Naga Sadow's Massassi warriors were destroyed by Exar Kun so he could live forever only to die by an old farm boy and Jedi. Tulak Hord had died. Ajunta Pall had died. Marka Ragnos was killed by a Jedi, Kun a Jedi, Ajunta Pall a Jedi. Ulic Qel-Droma turned back into Jedi. The Sith of old were stagnant and disorganized, not knowing what to do, and not being able to learn from their mistakes. The New Jedi BEAT DOWN the Yuuzhan Vong. The New NEW Sith took down a Republic once again. "For there is not one sith or jedi in the new melinium that could stand up to darth reaven weather he was light or dark." This is from Wookiepedia, paraphrasing Bastila Shan when she had confronted a knocked out Revan: "After surviving the turbolaser blasts that had rocked through the bridge, Bastila was faced with a choice. Upon regaining her wits, she was confronted with the broken, comatose body of Darth Revan. The Dark Lord was nearly dead—by Bastila's own admission, just a tiny spark of the Force remained alive within him." Wow, no New Jedi could destroy a dude who passed out and almost DIED because of a turbo laser blast that didn't even hit him directly! *sarcasm* The Millennium Falcon hit Vader's TIE FIGHTER and he survived. "and pushes the dark side to the LIMIT!" I disagree. Pushing the dark side to the limit would mean he would have become a figure beyond what Nihilus was. We don't even know if the secret apprentice dies. Nihilus died because of a rogue Jedi, and Revan . . . well we know what happened to him. "Darth Vader; rather then learn all that he could from his master and then strike him down with his own teachings, would rather train an apprintace and have the both of them take him down together. This is a weakness. A Pethetic flaw in the followers of the darkside." I believe it was Aleema and Satal and Ulic who all needed each other to take down the Jedi, but that wasnt enough. They needed Kun, who eventually died of a New Jedi. I know it was Xendor who had to gather followers to defeat the Jedi, as did Marka Ragnos, as did Naga Sadow, as did Bane (one follower). It seems that your argument is flawed in that manner. "the knowledge that sidious held ... would be lost to oblivion. Unless he kept a hologram ... his knowledge could never be taught to anyone else" Look up the Telos Holocron, Dark Side Compendium, and there were two other books, another third one not completed while he was Sith. These were all part of his knowledge. "pit Ajunte Paul, or Tulok Horde, against Darth Vader, Maul, or Sidious, who would win." Seeing that Ajunta Pall used a sword, and that Darth Sidious knew a many a force powers, and knew most Lightsaber Combat forms, Darth Maul knowing forms 2, 4, 5, and 7, and Vader knowing form 5, but being the Chosen One, and Tulak having a single saber and bare any knowledge of the Lightsaber forms themselves, I can see the New Sith clearly winning. "fight between a Kung Fu master and a person who has studied kung fu, the Kung Fu master will eaisly defeat the Kung Fu learner." True, but then again Palpatine never FULLY relied on wit, neither did Vader, and Maul didn't either. They combined the two. Where as the Old Sith, except Traya and Bane,relied merely on brute power.