Abortion is Morally Permissible/Ethical

Introduction: This argument is kind of an unorganized jumble so I am going to try to break it apart and address each relevant point as best I can. "I would just like to point out that the reason that you probably don't mind the killing of an unborn HUMAN BEING is because your living, why would you care?" The alleged reason why I believe something had no bearing on the validity of my arguments. "technically the fetus has to be alive to even develop it may not have the characteristic that you consider a human being but it's still living." I was quite clear about the fact that I consider the fetus human. I just don't consider that to be the important factor in determining its rights. "and what do you say about a special needs person?" This would vary on a case by case basis. In any case, the treatment of the handicapped is not the topic of this debate. The mentally handicapped obviously should not have the full rights that normal individuals have, but this is not entirely analogous to abortion in that there is no prerogative for killing these people. "or a person considered a "vegetable" or a person in a coma?" If the person's brain is damaged to the point where it cannot recover than these people would be on the level of a fetus. If they are able to recover than they should be treated as a sleeping person: they must all the capacities for personhood but are not presently able to express them. "if your son gets in a car accident and ended up in a coma should they have him killed or would you kill him because he's not conscious? I mean he is missing one of the five principles of being a "person (not trying to threaten you in anyway)" This is a very hypothetical situation and I do not even have a son so it's hard to say what I would do. A person who is permanently unconscious is effectively dead anyway so I would not consider the euthanasia of this person to be murder. "and just because someone considers being a person having those characteristics dose not mean they're right and you just said "killing" last i realized murder is murder no matter how you put it, if you kill a human without a real reason. " If you don't think those characteristics are what makes a person than you should offer a better definition of your own. However, I think most will agree that the version of Warren's definition which I have adopted covers the most important traits that humans have. Also, the killing of a human being is not always murder. Murder is the unlawful or unethical killing of a person. I do not believe that having a human genetic code is sufficient alone to make a "person", our mental traits are far more important. Also, you seem to believe that abortion is always done without any real reason. A I understand it, the process is extremely unpleasant both physically and emotionally and I doubt it is undertaken for frivolous reasons or without great consideration. "example self defense, if someone is trying to shoot you or break in your house ect. then it is considered ok." I assume this is an example of when it is ethical to kill a person. I would agree, but I do not believe a fetus is a person so this is a moot point. You do not need as pressing a reason to kill non-sentient creatures as you do people. "when you kill an animal it is usually to eat, in some cases also self defense, or research, you are basically massacring the fetus and then just throwing it away for self convenience and selfishness." People kill insects for utterly frivolous reasons all the time without any consequences. A 3 week out zygote is less developed mentally than even these extremely simple creatures. As I have stated above, it is wrong to assume that abortions are not preformed for a good reason. "When you have sex you are well aware of the consequences, why not just accept responsibility for your own actions?" This is irrelevant to the topic of whether or not abortion is ethical. "If we look at this in another way, it is like me telling someone you should have been aborted and then kill them." When the person was a fetus, he/she did not have rights. Now this person does. The analogy does not apply. The videos are never explained in the debate. They explain various abortion procedures. They are completely irrelevant to the topic of whether or not abortion is ethical and are only intended to provoke an emotional response. Conclusion: My argument remains completely intact.