Best general of WWII.

"At Moscow, the Germans were outnumbered about 2 to 1, like they often were....In addition, tanks are often useless without air cover which the Germans often didn't have." The Germans being outnumbered is due to Hitler's stupidity in trying to take on the world. Germany just didn't have the manpower or resources to do such a thing. I'll admit, this was a disadvantage for Guderian that might have caused him to lose battles he could have otherwise won. But regardless, he lost battles. Patton didn't. As I said before, a great tactician should be able to utilize a small army well. And, one could argue that being a general (especially a tank commander) and a great tactician means you should make absolutely sure your tanks have air cover. Any defeat caused by the lack of air support for tanks would be partially Guderian's fault. "'Germany had Panzers and Tigers, which were superior to the US's Shermans.' Thanks to Guderian." You are right. However, if it weren't for Patton, there would be no tank corps in the US. Not to mention the immense production of Shermans compared to the short supply of Panzers and Tigers. "However Guderian had more experience as being a commander. He commanded large quantities of forces throughout WWII while Patton began commanding forces only in 1942 by which time the Germans had already been weakened." With all due respect, you are wrong on this point. While Guderian commanded more men in WW2 than Patton did, Patton was commanding men in the Mexican Revolution. Then he went on to command men in WW1 and WW2. "Good, Con basically admits that many of Patton's victories were due to numbers. Victories due to numbers bring up this question: "what if size of the army Patton had been facing was equal in size?" 1. I never denied that Patton had greater numbers. 2. If he was outnumbered, who knows? The thing is, Patton was so driven and so blood-thirsty that he probably could have won. "Like Patton, Guderian never really suffered a defeat. Guderian lost at Moscow, however that was not really a defeat for him. It was a defeat for Hitler. <---Con fails to contradict this." I believe I did contradict this. "While Patton almost always had a numerical advantage, Guderian was almost always outnumbered. <---Con admits to this." Again, I never denied this. "Guderian developed the Blitzkrieg tactics... <---Con completely ignores this. Guderian developed tactics that were used by many other generals, even Patton in some cases." I never denied this either. --- "The German High Command was noted to have more respect for him than for any Allied commander after 1943. Adolf Hitler reportedly called him 'that crazy cowboy general.' Many German field commanders were generous in their praise of Patton's leadership following the war, and many of its highest commanders also held his abilities in high regard. Erwin Rommel credited Patton with executing 'the most astonishing achievement in mobile warfare.' Generaloberst Alfred Jodl, chief of staff of the German Army, stated that Patton 'was the American Guderian. He was very bold and preferred large movements. He took big risks and won big successes.' Generalfeldmarschall Albert Kesselring noted that 'Patton had developed tank warfare into an art, and understood how to handle tanks brilliantly in the field. I feel compelled, therefore, to compare him with Generalfeldmarschall Rommel, who likewise had mastered the art of tank warfare. Both of them had a kind of second sight in regard to this type of warfare.' Referring to the escape of the Afrika Korps after the Battle of El Alamein, Fritz Bayerlein opined that 'I do not think that General Patton would let us get away so easily.' In an interview conducted for Stars and Stripes just after his capture, Field Marshal Gerd von Rundstedt stated simply of Patton, 'He is your best.'" [1] Patton's Achievements (13): Distinguished Service Cross (2) Distinguished Service Medal (3) Silver Star (2) Legion of Merit Bronze Star Purple Heart Companion of the Order of the Bath Knight Commander of the Order of the British Empire Legion of Honor Order of the White Lion Grand Officer of the Order of Leopold Order of Adolphe of Nassau Order of Koutusoff, 1st Grade Commandments (12): 304th Tank Brigade 3rd Squadron, 3d Cavalry 5th Cavalry Regiment 3d Cavalry Regiment 2nd Brigade, 2nd Armored Division 2nd Armored Division I Armored Corps Desert Training Center II Corps 7th United States Army 3rd United States Army 15th United States Army Guderian's Achievements (1): Ritterkreuz des Eisernen Kreuzes mit Eichenlaub Commandments (4): 2. Panzer Division XVI. Armeekorps XIX. Armeekorps Panzergruppe Guderian/Panzergruppe 2/2. Panzerarmee Although Patton always has been and always will be my hero, I can admit that Guderian is one tough a$$-kicker. However, I still believe Patton is a superior general. He is simply a legend, whose legacy will live on longer than most other generals. http://en.wikipedia.org...