Learning to play percussion well is as hard if not harder than learing to play another instrument.

Well, if you are going to take me on the "technical" thing that you called me out on - saying that "you can see" how piano "might be harder", technically, is a concession, as your topic calls for me to provide any other instrument that is probably harder to be good at. Next, ok, in your argument you referred to snares, drums, xylophones, cymbals, etc. If you had a problem with the piano example, you should have addressed that earlier, not AFTER I proved it was harder than the percussion instruments you alluded to. Furthermore, piano is different than percussion instruments. You say it is "hitting strings" - well, by that same logic, can't I say the strings make it not percussion? No other percussion instrument produces different tones via vibration of strings - that sounds more like a string instrument to me. This is kind of beside the point - you are avoiding the fact that I have identified that there is an instrument that is harder to get good at, and you agreed that piano was harder. ------ You say my analysis about piano being harder than comparable percussion instruments is bad because the "more notes" thing doesn't take into account rhythms on things like the snare. However, this argument wasn't comparing the notes to the snare - it was comparing it to your argument about timpani and the xlophone. Advanced piano playing DOES have complex rhythm, this is why getting good at piano is much harder because you have to take into account that plus many notes (snare only has one note, unless you count hitting the side or something a different note). Again, think about this logically: all the chord progressions, advanced harmonizing and mastery of playing many notes. This is much more difficult to become good at. Also, I said musicality and feeling is in every instrument, I know it is possible in percussion too, however, my argument was that in piano it is harder because you have to achieve that same feeling and musicality WHILE acheiving mastery of the detailed skills (notes, chords, everything mentioned before). You say you don't have to tune a piano before every song. This is irrelevant. If tuning is really a part of this debate - tuning is still harder on the piano, regardless of how often it happens. Furthermore, people often higher professionals to tune their pianos when it needs to be done - this proves it is harder than something like timpani where people do it on their own with no big hassle. You say ten notes are not used all the time at the same time. First of all, that's fine, I said that ten fingers are used maximum; no matter what - it is always going to be more tones than similar percussion instruments. Furthermore, I would argue that this "melody vs. more notes" thing creates an added aspect of difficulty. It is difficult to transfer between these two kind of "types" of tone play. This doesn't exist in the instruments you name. You say these instruments have easier access to notes. How easy is the access to hitting the side of a bass drum? Over the "playing from memory" thing. My point was that it is more difficult to memorize difficult things on the piano as opposed to drums, etc. Sure, melodies can be learned and chords can be taught and you can add them at the basic level pretty easily; but we're talking about advanced work here. This isn't just progression from C-G-G7-C here. Think about my example of copying a Chopin Polonaise by ear - next to impossible - and if someone could do that? They'd be considered a genius. However, drum rolls are copied by ear with less difficulty. Haha, this may be a crude example, but I just thought of it so I'm going to share: look at the movie "Drumline," Nick Cannon seems pretty good at copying advanced rolls, yet it isn't that big of a deal. Haha ---- "I seem very intent on winning the debate." We'll, yes, sure, I'd like to win because my argumentation is better - isn't that the point of a debate? And as far as educational purpose goes - this is how education occurs through debate.org - via competing arguments. I wouldn't just want to agree and have you lecture me. I wouldn't learn much. Two-sided argumentation is a priceless form of education that cannot be taught in a classroom. Maybe YOU should have a "more open mind frame."