Immigration Fence

" 1. Who are you to say that no one has the right to make that law?" Implied ad hominem. It doesn't matter who I am, only the substance of my statements. "Technically, so long as it does not violate the Constitution (and even if it does) Congress can make any laws it wants to! " Might does not make right. " 2. All immigration IS legal! One just needs to apply and fill out the correct paperwork and pass a citizenship test." No. That does not guaranteee legality. And even if it did, the government doesn't have the right to demand such a test. " 3. Walls, in relation to, oh, i don't know, an AC-130? You could probably pay for the wall with about 10 of those airplanes," Proof? The southern border is 2000 miles. The northern one is even longer :). "and I don't see you complaining about them" Those are used to kill people who have violated the rights of others. Immigrants have done nothing of the sort. "A wall would not increase taxes anymore than anything else we buy now that no one complains about." I complain about almost everything the government does if you haven't noticed. " 4. Liberty IS a right in the constitution! " Irrelevant, and if true it renders the immigration fence unconstitutional. "What liberty do they have at all if they do not have any of the rights of the constitution?" The RIGHT to a constitution with liberty, real liberty, not the semblance we have now. "They cannot speak freely," Perhaps, yet nonetheless they have the right to. And so forth. "What more freedom does america offer, if everywhere they go they are hunted by the police? Why do they leave mexico to come to a land where they will not have rights?" There is no land without rights, only a land with people who violate them-- like you for example. "5. Who said anything about a source? Is it not true? Are you telling me that you are full-blooded american indian, an not a mix of either British, Italian, Irish, Polish, German, African, or Asian? " The asking for a source was about "they were all documented," not "they were all immigrants," the latter helps my position silly. "They didn't have to worry about walls because they came LEGALLY." Not demonstrated. I have no idea whether my ancestors came legally or illegally, nor do I care. "How do you tax an illegal immigrant, if you don't know they are there?" You have no right to tax people. Taxes are theft and should be abolished. " No taxation without representation? No representation without taxation!" There is no such thing as "representation" by our current government-- there never has been unanimity,and it is all but certain that there never will be, therefore, someone's views aren't being represented. Incidentally, illegal immigrants cannot under current law vote whether there is a border fence or not silly. " 7. When people become citizens, they are given a medical evaluation." COMPLETELY MISSED MY POINT ABOUT NATURAL BORN CITIZENS BEING MORE LIKELY TO CAUSE DISEASE. "Can you tell me how much a fence WOULD cost? " You are the on in favor of putting up 2000 miles of metal, that supposedly can't be climbed over or broken through easily. You find the design, you do the math, it's your burden of proof. "And to the question of americans spreading diseases, it is no secret that our hospitals are better than those in mexico" I was talking about American TRAVELERS. I said as much. Also, if the disease is something we can treat easily, then it's NOT A PROBLEM obviously. " 9. And how is the immigration quota a bad thing?" It keeps people out without the right to do so? It's racist? What more do you need? What do you have in favor of it or to rebut these problems? "Please present me with statistical research that states what higher immigration rates would do to improve this country." That's like asking me before one game of Shaq's how many points he will score. There's a high standard deviation, statistics are empirical. What I can provide you is economic theory-- people will not come and stay unless they are going to be hired. No one will hire someone if it doesn't improve them as an individual-- and America or any other country is nothing but the sum of individuals. "other than drain tax dollars on a broken welfare system." Immigrants are not responsible for the welfare system. Statists (a different sort of statist than that which builds border fences of course) are. Abolish welfare, not immigration.