Resolved: Frozen is better than the Lion King

1) Bad guys/character depth in the film"Pro concedes this point right away by admitting that Scar is a more complex character than Prince Hans."LOLOL, I sure as hell said no such thing! In fact my entire argument was that the exact opposite is true. Scar is a generic, typical disney villian who's very appearance gives away his entire character. Prince Hans on the other hand is a much more complex character to figure out since his motives and behavior are unpredictable. "The parents in Frozen don’t have any personality"Thats kind of because they died within like the first 7 minutes of the movie....."While almost every Disney movie has dead parents"Why is that by the way? "Frozen is just another clichéd data point of dead parents in kid’s movies."The Lion King though is riddled with cliche's.... The bad guy is clearly the bad guy, the good guy is clearly the good guy, the first lion Simba meets turns out to be his true love, the lions are the king of the wilderness.... Theres a whole list of cliche's you find in the Lion King that tallied up exceed the number found in Frozen.....2) themes, plot, and character motivation"The resolution of [Elsa's] problems happen almost haphazardly at the end of the film when she discovers how to control her powers."That completely ignores how the other main character in the film, Anna, was completely mistaken not once, but twice about how to resolve her problems, to the point where it nearly killed her both times.... "Simba is then enticed to follow Rafiki and is shown a vision of his father. This critical moment of character development is cinematic poetry layered with meaning"Lol no it isnt! Simba literally just decides to return to the kingdom because his dad essentially said to him 'hey, get your sh** together'...."Simba’s decision to return to Pride Rock is organic yet radical and momentous"It was completely predictable and cliche. If I had a dollar every time someone who wanted to hang out with their friends in life instead of be a responsible adult ended up acting like an adult just because their uptight dad guilt-tripped them into doing so, I could pay off half of the US national debt...... 3) Leadership and Governance"In Frozen, the princesses lock themselves away, bar the public from entering their castle, and allow economic stagnation"Actually that was their parents' decision..... Elsa and Anna were still not even 12 when those orders were carried out. "In real life the public would be in revolt against their parasitic absentee rulers."The parents who made those orders lived for quite a few more years. Then when they did die, rule over the kingdom transferred to the two princesses, one of which was about to become old enough to rule on her own who could quite possibly reverse the decisions of her parents...... Its actually perfectly reasonable for the public to love the two princesses since they were quite literally the symbol of better times coming in the near future....."Elsa capriciously proclaims that they will never trade with the countries that wronged her- embracing a vindictive isolationist policy at the expense of her country based on her ONLY interaction with foreign diplomats"1) It was only 1 country that she severed ties with, your claim that she would never trade with countries that wronged her is completely inaccurate and borderline asinine to claim2) The diplomat literally sent both of his body guards to try to kill Elsa, she was perfectly within reason to halt trade with a country who's top diplomat tried to assassinate her...."Mufasa and Simba are motivated to rule by a sense of justice and love of the balance of the kingdom." Just like Anna and Elsa at the end of the film...."Scar wants only power and operates by cronyism"Just like Hans....3) Aesthetically superior"Frozen’s visually climactic scene is both conceptually and visually similar to Dr. Manhattan’s exile to Mars"That was a fantastic scene though!"The ice castle felt visually flat- the building was unnecessarily planar and failed to explore the possibilities of 3D crystals and sculpture"Thats just your biased opinion...."The opening scene is visually engaging"So is Frozen's....."using multiple camera angles to explore the moving landscape of animals"Frozen does the same thing with the ice harvesters....."The Lion King’s dialogue is more memorable and poetic." opinion...."Mufasa’s explanation of the “circle of life,” Rafiki’s lesson about the pain of the past, and Simba and Pumbaa’s explanation of stars are all striking pieces of dialogue."In frozen you also have the power of sisterhood, how to control fear and great power, how you cant simply lock yourself away in isolation to solve all your problems, how the first person you fall in love with might not be the right one.... The list goes on and on.....5) Other"Pro offers no reason why bad guys who are likable are worse than “real” bad guys" Theyre worse because bad guys who are likable underscore the negative qualities of human behavior in a way that make them seem lees harmful characteristics than they really are, which rubs off on an audience. Real bad guys on the other hand dont try to cover up evil just so that an audience's comfort zone doesnt get violated, real bad guys demonstrate that there is evil out there and that its ugly. "or why it is inherently better for antagonists to be revealed in a surprise twist."Shock value, duh. "Scar is a far more believable bad guy than Prince Hans"Hes just a more cliche bad guy than Prince Hans..... "A central plot point in the Lion King is that NO ONE KNOWS SCAR MURDERED MUFASA."And a central plot point in Frozen is that no one knew that Hans was an evil bastard!"He TOLD Ana he wanted her dead then gave her time to escape."He left her to die and tried to kill an imprisoned Elsa, the one who represented a much greater threat to his plan at the time...."Prince Hans’ reveal was done incredibly poorly."Do you plan on using anything else besides your own opinion for your arguments? Nobody was surprised to see Scar push Mufasa to his death in The Lion King, while a crapload of people were surprised to see that Hans was actually a bad guy"This is prima facie retarded; I guess Pro thinks Justin Bieber’s “Baby “ is the greatest song of all time since it has over 1 billion YouTube views."Justin Bieber's song 'Baby' didnt win any awards idiot, 'Let it Go' racked up all kinds of awards for being a good song. "The Lion King also steam-rolls Frozen in terms of box office revenue- The Lion King ranks 18, while Frozen is 109"The chart is adjusted for inflation, and even then the Lion King's total comes out to about $700 million, Frozen meanwhile has already topped $1 Billion in box office income (http://en.wikipedia.org...(2013_film)#Box_office ), yet your chart it only gives Frozen $400 million.So your source is completely flawed. "Its only weird if you make it weird.Implying that lions had sex in a childrens film while the song 'can you feel the love tonight' is weird no matter how you look at it"Don’t act like you didn’t have a crush on Nala when you were 5."Im not into bestiality, youre thinking of ADreamOfliberty....."Crappy sequels are irrelevant."Oh theyre relevant alright, it shows that the production company behind 'The Lion King' were only interested in cashing out and making a fortune off of it. If the values of the Lion King were actually respected, then the film's legacy would have been preserved and stand the test of time. Instead it was sold down the river with two sequels made just to make money.