Derek Jeter is overrated

First, I would like to note that saying "Derek Jeter is good", and then arguing that the Pro never proved that Jeter was overrated is NOT a contradiction. It would be a contradiction if overrated meant "not good", but overrated means (as I have brought up) "To assess or think too highly of something or someone". It isn't a contradiction for me to bring up statistics saying that Jeter is good in that area UNLESS he is, in fact, NOT good at the area. Any and all statistics I brought up were true, and he is very good at the areas the statistics represent. The Pro side has failed to bring up in what specific places Jeter is overrated. He could have said something along the lines of "People think Jeter is the best hitter ever, that isn't true. ", but he never did. All he proved was that Jeter isn't great at every single thing in the game. In fact, I agreed that he isn't great at every facet. Therefore (at least according to the arguments presented JUST in the debate), Jeter is not overrated. This is because Pro never proved that Jeter was assessed to highly in some area. He just brought up personal opinion of why Jeter isn't great. He never brought up anyone elses conflicting opinion saying "Jeter is the best ever" (or something along those lines). If he had, then he would have proved that Jeter was overrated, but. .. he has not. He said that I proved that people though highly of him. I did no such thing. I mearly proved that he was good in some areas, and unless those staistics lie, he is. I argued that Jeter brings many qualities to the Yankees, and he is valuable (justly so). So that means that I may think highly of Jeter, yet the Pro team has never proved that my beliefs were missplaced. Just that he isn't good at all areas (which I never argued he was). The one argument that even came close to proving that Jeter was though high of was the All-Star argument. Jeter has been elected to several All-Star games, and the Pro side tried to make that argument say that people thought too highly of him. However, for that to be valid, he would have to prove that Jeter is not deserving of the All-Star award. That, in fact, is not true. Wilson - . http://www.baseball-reference.com... Jeter - . http://www.baseball-reference.com... I don't know if Jack Wilson is the worst, but the point is that Jeter is in no way the worst All-Star. If you look at season averages (it wouldn't be fair to compare career numbers, as Jeter has played longer), Jeter beats Wilson in everything (that I saw). Thus, just because Jeter is an All-Star, it doesn't mean that he is overrated. If Jack Wilson, who is worse in every area compared to Jeter, can get in a All-Star game. .. Well than I believe that Jeter is well-deserved of his. Also, just proving that Jeter got these awards doesn't prove that he didn't deserve them. All the Pro argued was that his statistics weren't ridiculous, but compared to other All-Stars, he definatly isn't bad. In fact, he is better than many other All-Stars, thus proving he, indeed, belongs in the All-Star game. Anyway, I think that argument there should warrant a vote for Con right away, because the Pro failed to bring up anything that says people assess Jeter's abilities to high. He just proved that Jeter isn't great at some areas of the game. This in fact, means that the Pro hasn't fufilled his obligations as the Pro team, and there is really no choice but to vote for the Con. Anyway, I'll go ahead and respond to the other arguments, for good measure. "Since the con concedes defense, RBIs, HRs, No MVPs, Average (yes, still has hits), stolen bases, and On base percentage, I believe that is enough evidence saying that he isn't good, and hence overrated. " First off, that is a bogus statement. I never conceded any of those things. I actually had arguments on all of them. I conceded that he may not be great in all of those areas, but I never conceded that it made him overrated. In fact, the Pro has completely ignored my points on why they DON't make him overrated. RBI's - Not much of a chance to get RBI's when you bat Second in any lineup. (He never responded to this, thus agreeing) HR's - Argued that Short Stop is not a position that requires power. There are two types of players (power and average hitters), and Jeter is the player that hits for average. He never proved that you need HR's to be good, so therefore he never proved that Jeter was overrated. No MVP's - He never once brought up that anybody thought he should be a MVP, and therefore. .. if it isn't expected of him, than his lack of MVP's doesn't make him overrated. I believe I argued that Jeter had strong cases to be an MVP in two seasons, but I never said I believed he should be one. Average - You never brought this up, this is an untouched topic until last round, and therefore I couldn't have dropped it, because this is my first time to be able to respond to it. My response - His career batting average is .317, which is in no way bad. It is in fact good. Therefore, the argument saying "Jeter is overrated because he lacks average" is moot, because he does have a good average. SB - The Yankee record is 326 SB in a career. Jeter has 264 and has enough seasons left in him to break the record. So therefore, Jeter isn't overrated because of his "lack of SB". Also, SB aren't neccesary to make a great, or even good, player. Lou Gehrig was a good player, and he didn't have record breaking speed. So was Babe Ruth (who granted was good for other reasons)! Therefore, Jeter isn't shabby at SB, and even if he wasn't, they aren't drastically important. OPB - His is .288, which AGAIN, isn't bad. He would have to prove that people thought that Jeter was a God when it came to OBP, in order to prove that Jeter was overrated. He hasn't, and therefore, his arguments are moot and negated. Other Arguments Leader - You said, and I quote "we don't know how. .. how much of a leader he is". He is captain of the Yankees! Show me one captain of the Yankees who WASN'T a leader! Purely defensive arguments here, and therefore, it still makes him a better player (regardless of how much). Revenue - You think that he doesn't deserve it, but many people come because he is something of a celebrity. This doesn't mean his playing skills are overrated. It just means people like the man. "Do people think he is good at areas which he isn't? " - You again, argued the All-Star thing, which I disproved. Also, this operates on the assumption that you win your other arguments (which I have negated) Yankees Make Him Good - Fine, you argue the Yankees make him good, I argue they don't. There is no way to countify how much the Yankees help, so I'll just try to disprove you. You say that the Yankees make him good. This means that being a Yankee inflates your statistics. Well. . I guess if I can show a Yankee with bad statistic, then you would be wrong. Welll. .. . Oh! Here you go: . http://www.baseball-reference.com... Batting Titles - You say that he never won Batting Titles, and that makes him bad. However, just saying it doesn't make it true. Good players can go their entire lives and not win Batting Titles. Also, Jeter is right-handed, and Yankee field does not favor Right-Handed hitters to well. Thus, adjusted Batting Titles are more fair (He's got three) MVP - "He never got an MVP because they came to their senses, looked at his stats, and realized he is not that good. That doesn't change the fact that the fans thought he was the best SS in baseball and voted him to and ASG. " - I proved he deserved the All-Star. Again, you have yet to prove that he is thought to be MVP, and therefore yet to prove that he is overrated) "if they get on base, that is not an out. 3 outs in an inning. They can get through the lineup more, allowing for more AB" - But if he didn't have talent, he couldn't hit. I have negated all arguments and the Pro hasn't fufilled all his duties.