The world would be better off if Germany had won WW1

Thank you for creating this topic to debate on. I've always wanted to learn more about World War 1 (and WW2). ____________________________________ I negate. Alright, so what I'm getting is that you're taking a utilitarian viewpoint that since the fall of Germany led to the rise of Hitler, and many things after that, we should have let Germany and the Central Powers win WW1. I disagree on three reasons. __________________ My first argument is the Military-Industrial complex. 1) So there was this thing called the Industrial Revolution. Most of Europe got more modernized technology and many improvements in the instruments of war. Due to patriotic pride in each of those countries, and due to their recent inventions like the machine gun, they went out to Asia and Africa and conquered those lands for economic reasons. European countries got more consumers, they got more natural resources, which fueled their economy and resulted in this snowball effect for nationalism. Now, some nobody comes up and assassinates Ferdinand, and the alliance stuff drags all of Europe into war. 2) Now, I don't know the exact things that happened in WW1, but I think that the Central Powers wouldn't have stopped at just taking over Serbia. They would have probably went on to take over Allied Powers, which was basically the rest of Europe. IMPACT --- A concept called the Military-Industrial Complex, coined by Eisenhower in his farewell address, plays directly into this. With the flames of nationalism fanned by the 1800's-1914 imperialism, AND if we let Germany+Central Powers win, then the result would be not just them taking over Serbia and potentially Europe, but also the rest of the world. The already deadly MIC added to the people's power of nationalistic pride would have driven the Central Powers to continue until the controlled the rest of the world. This by itself creates a WW2 that would have just as much if not more effect than our worlds' WW2, already outweighing, if not cancelling, out your argument that WW2 would have never happened. __________________ My second argument is that letting the Central Powers win would not have necessarily prevented further atrocities. A) Hitler was one of the best orators of all time. His skill and his speech were not fake, and he would have risen to power regardless of whether or not WW1 happened. Therefore, letting Germany+Central Powers win the 1st World War would not have necessarily prevented the second. B) This would not have solved the Cold War. If the situation mentioned in my first argument didn't happen, then a Cold War between the Central Powers and the Allied Powers would have happened anyways, because the whole "secret alliance" stuff had been brought to light. __________________ My final argument is that World War 2 happening was good. The happening of World War 2 led to many good things. I'm not saying that the genocide of six million jews was a good thing, but that the result of such a horror led to the rest of humanity learning a lesson. When the Holocaust was first revealed to the world, almost everyone was thinking "How could this have possibly happened? ". Nobody really cares about genocides happening in a jungle because they're 'undeveloped peoples', but this was in GERMANY. A MODERN COUNTRY. This led to, in my opinion, another sort of enlightenment to the human race. This enlightenment was the moral enlightenment. People started questioning themselves more about what's right and what's wrong, what human nature is, how far we can go, and so on. Probably the best piece of literature in the past century, LORD OF THE FLIES, and the whole question of morality would not have been written about if the Holocaust and World War 2 hadn't happened. If World War 2 hadn't happened, problems like these wouldn't have come to light. And problems can't be solved, can't be a lesson to all of humanity, unless a huge atrocity has happened. The Japanese-Americans would not have been put in similar concentration camps if WW2 hadn't happened, and racism today might have been only an African-American issue. We would not have developed the atomic bomb and there wouldn't be the question of using nukes, either. There are so many problems that arose during WW2 and there have been even more movements to solve those moral imperatives afterwards. If WW2 never happened, then we would have even more problems in our society today. __________________ Miscellaneous points I did not talk about above: - Explain to me the Willhelm point. I don't get its significance. - Nor the Russian Revolution. - Nor your ending line, "it was one gun shot in a small country. " - The Great Depression was due to a stock market crash in 1929, not due to the end of WW1, which ended in 1918. According to my parents and a few of my past history teachers, WW1 was actually the reason why America came to power. While most of the other dominant world powers were off fighting their own war, we basically stayed back for most of it and grew a huge economy, because the Allied Powers were buying our stuff. World War 1 was actually a good thing for our economy, and your impact of the Great Depression has no link to WW1.