A creator of the universe does exist.

This is why I have won this debate. My opponent kept off of an argument from ignorance/lack of imagination, insisting that because DNA exists, we must assume that a creator of the universe exists. He insists and insists, but shows no evidence of HOW the DNA serves as proof. Let me rebut this guy's final arguments "How would one deny that logic exists? Would you say that your feelings do not exist? Would you say pain does not exist? Just because things are not seen, does not mean they don't exist (Perhaps another debatable topic). Also, logic is used appropriately grammatically in my arguments. I guess it matters what definition of Logic we're using." I keep telling you and telling you, without intelligent beings to perceive such, NO logic does not exist on its own in the universe. Just like literature or math, these things are tools created by intelligent beings to understand their environment. WE CREATED logic, logic DID NOT CREATE us. "I agree with you only about math, science, literature, and logic not being physical things. Of course I believe they do "exist". Math, logic, and all intelligent information, came before matter and this is why they cannot be a mere tool made by intelligent beings to understand their environment. You BELIEVE matter came before logic and therefore you might conclude otherwise." (-.-) Ok, information cannot exist without matter, as it is STORED. THERE! Information can't exist from mere nothingness. I keep telling you that math and logic all have their origin from our thoughts of our environment. And I don't BELIEVE matter came before logic. Logic cannot exist without intelligent beings as it is a mere tool developed by them, and it takes material to create intelligent beings. http://en.wikipedia.org... "Now on to the proposed questions you gave me:" Ok, I'll take them on 1 by 1 1) Who created this creator? "1) I only stated that "A creator of the universe does exist" not a "creator of a creator"" Well, under your logic something intelligent can't exist without something creating it. Otherwise if something can always exist, then the universe can always exist as well. 2) If logic always came before logic, what logic was there that created this creator? "2) See above" :) 3) Does the invisible, inaudible, tooth fairy exist? Why or why not? "3) No, there is no information available to support this. DNA supports and proves an intelligent creator." If DNA supports and proves an intelligent creator, then 5$ under your pillow every time you lose a tooth supports and proves the existence of the tooth fairy. However, when you admit that there is no information available to support the tooth fairy and therefore void the 5$ argument, you admit that just because something appears in nature doesn't mean it serves as undeniable evidence to prove a hypothesis. Though the tooth fairy very well could have put 5$ under your pillow, that isn't the only possible explaination. It's the same with your creation argument. Though a creator of the universe COULD exist, just because DNA exists doesn't mean we can conclude that it was because there was a creator of the universe simply because all other hypotheses have not been exhausted, meaning it's not the ONLY possible explaination. 4) If we created computers, why didn't we create the universe? "4) You could argue that the creator of the universe created the computer because the universe encapsulates the computer object. You cannot logically go in reverse and argue that something which was created, created it's creator."" Well, I can argue the same thing as far as DNA goes. The creator of life doesn't necessarily imply a creator of the universe, as it could just be another part of the universe. "John O'Keefe - NASA astronomer: "We are, by astronomical standards, a pampered, cosseted, cherished group of creatures.. .. If the Universe had not been made with the most exacting precision we could never have come into existence. It is my view that these circumstances indicate the universe was created for man to live in."" You claim that, but you have nothing to prove it. I have won this debate because all of my opponents arguments were faith based. He centered his whole argument about the existence of DNA, and I simply rebutted it by saying that a creator of the universe isn't the ONLY hypothesis for such and therefore doesn't serve as proof, thereby making it an argument from lack of imagination. http://en.wikipedia.org... Also, his misrepresentation of logic is another reason why I have won this debate. :) Please vote CON. Thank you