America should not take more extreme measures to win wars.

woot round 5!! so you think its fair to be blamed on the actions of another. If we our species keeps to that ideal, we wont last much longer. That's the way it was in the past. Humans saw this. They realized they did not like what they see. That is why things are changing and becoming less and less like that. blaming people for something they have not done is wrong. By that logic, I blame you for 9/11. Is that fair? Did you have anything to do with 9/11? I highly doubt it. the ONLY reason the entire population should be held accountable is if you know beyond a shadow of a doubt, that they ALL took part in the action. Which is NEVER the case. There has not been one case on the planet of the entirety of a population going along with the government for what ever reason. At this point I bet your thinking of the Nazi's again. This is wrong. Did you know that there was an assassination attempt on Hitler several times, by his own officers? If I remember correctly he ended up losing an arm to one of the attempts. Not everyone agrees with that they are being told. Why did so many Germans go along with it? Because if they didn't, their family and themselves would have been killed or worse. your opinion is this "If you are a civilian in a war zone, there is a chance you can be killed, so go away and become a refugee. If this action is encouraged than there is no wrong in death for everyone was warned." so basically we come to their country to liberate them, but they need to leave otherwise we will just kill them all.... Some liberation.... Make not mistake if that's the stance America took "get out or die" our allies would have already stepped in. We would be painted as the bad guy. What little support and influence we do have left in the world will be gone. Our own citizens would be outraged by this. Our soldiers would be outraged by this (granted not all, but a fair portion would be). there are guys planning to attack me, yes I would kill them, however those innocent guys, I would not. Why? Because if they are innocent that means that they obviously didn't attack me. It means that they either stayed out of it and watched, or they ran off. Either way, there is no reason for me to harm them. Sure they may attack me, but again, acting off of "what if" scenarios is only going to cause more problems. It really solves problems. those ideals that you are showing is the same ideals that the Muslims have, whom you are against. They lump everyone into two categories (to be clear I mean the extremists. Not all Muslims). Either you have their beliefs or you don't. And if you don't you should die. how does it benefit our country to become like that? You wont even save the soldiers lives in the long run. What you will do however, is cause the destruction of the usa. You will give the enemies more cause to fight us. You will confirm to every country that hates us that we are as "evil" as they believe we are. You will give them a cause to unite against US. That will lead to a larger scale war which will end up killing FAR more soldiers. And in that war, we could not count on the support of our allies because we basically chased them off with our "extreme measures". It would be turning against the very image America has created itself, which is the peace keepers of the world. America would no longer be a role module for how people should be, which is to say helping others, allowing others to do as they wish. We will instead become the role for how NOT to act. In short, it is the last thing America should do. again, your kinder gardener does not fit here. Its not the enemy we should be worried about scaring. Its the soldiers themselves. Your whole example does not fit here. This has to do with dealing with innocent populations, not being nice to the guy trying to kill you. I agree kill the guy shooting at you, he IS NOT innocent. But not the innocent child who is only looking for some food. you cannot always tell one 100% whether or not its a gun or bomb, nor can you ever truly tell their intention. People might have weapons aimed at you, that's true, but that doesn't mean they plan to use it. They may just want to be ready incase you start shooting. by the same token, Russia may launch their nukes. We know they have them. We have seen them. So why not just nuke them because they "may" nuke us? You about doing it before they do it to you, so why not? you stated "AND IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE GOVERNMENT OR THE WAY IT WORKS GO TO CANADA!!" that is saying not to question the government. That statement means, either go along with it or get out. Seems like dictator mentality. you also respond to my statement that in order for America to take these more extreme measures by stating "you have obama so we are on the way there.". What leads you to believe that obama is going to transform the US into a dictatorship? do you think he would even accomplish that? but you stated several times that they should just be killed. You are contradicting yourself again. Apprehending potentially dangerous people is what we do now. That is not an extreme measure." I said "for the soldiers, if they stake yea we should apprehend them AT LEAST" note at least, so that means at most kill them. but you have been arguing this entire time that apprehending them is not enough. That you need to take it further then that. Otherwise you are agreeing with me here. you really think that drug cartels and Mexican police are going to even slow down the Russian military???? That's like flies trying to slow down a tank. They wont even be that annoying. The Russians would more then likely have a deal with them to where they stay out of the way and they don't get hurt. And you think that they would get involved anyways? Who's to say that the Mexican government wouldn't help them, especially after what they had seen us do with our "extreme measures"? and if Russia goes to war with us, who else do you think would come? Its not like Russia would be the only one. They would be the biggest probably, but not the only one. We lose our allies and we become sitting ducks.