God is a logical concept

Thank you again for accepting and clarifying one of my sources. Logic is important I just want to clarify once more that I am debating why, from logic's perspective, God is necessary and a sensical concept. Do you see why I want to debate you? Because as an atheist you must surely believe that God is the most nonsensical, illogical concept possible. I believe that sometimes logic overcomes the science in textbooks, which I will get into later, but I also believe that there is a great amount of complicating science in logic, therefore logic is important and we must use it when contemplating the idea of a Creator God. As a side note, I will argue that if something is 'illogical' it is also 'unreasonable' but one may construct a logically valid deduction that has one or more premises that are unreasonable. That would be a case of being logical, yet unreasonable. The atheist Lewis Vaughn agrees with me, if you wanted to know. Ever since Plato in his cosmological book called the Timaeus, the vast majority of people who have thought (and wrote) carefully about ultimate origin questions and the nature of reality have agreed with Plato that “something can’t come from nothing.” Even the average person who has not studied philosophy, when presented with the principle that “something can’t come from nothing,” will have this very clear thought that this is at least more likely true than not true. [1] Without God... The First Cause Argument This reasoning has never been refuted, and my on-going statement that will be used in this debate is 'no thing can come from absoute nothing.' It's an axiom that shouldn't even be debated. To me, that statement is common sense (or logic). But what doesn't seem to be logical for everyone is the alternative to a Creator God. There are the atheists, the polytheists, and any other category besides monotheists, who have their own way of explaining how the universe began. The point is that my reasoning is that none of those explanations are logical because it conflicts with the most logical thing I know: that something cannot come from nothing. Since you probably already know the general definition of the First Cause statement I presented at top, I will dig a bit deeper. Stephen Hawkings tried to assure us that, with the Law of Physics, it is quite possible and even evident that something came from nothing. But if all the physical laws had been explained and proved (known as the Grand Theory of Everything) our understanding of the actions of God would not be one whit greater: his existence and his actions are of a different order. [2] (Must I explain to you/S. H. what the definition of 'nothingness' is?) Most particularly it would not touch the question of how something existing comes out from nothing. That is a question which science cannot answer, and will never answer, because nothingness is not within its domain. Hawking apparently does not address this question – which is the true and ultimate Theory of Everything. But what philosophy can teach us is that neither he, nor you, nor I will ever explain creation, except through faith. The Meaning of Life What is the meaning of all this intelligence and animals who contribute to our planet if it all happened by pure 1 in a million chance? You might reply with something that has to do with evolution. Then I ask you, why did evolution happen? If evolution had happened, why are humans teh way we are now: feelings, emotions, and wisdom beyond any ape's comprehension? Why do humans even think about our existence if it all happened by chance for no reason? Why should we even want to live (what should be our motives for life) if we know that it's obviously a random happening that has no real objective? Please attempt to answer all those questions. I would be greatly pleased. Suppose everyone believed God was real, particularly because the Creator had been scientifically proven and it is now the most obvious thing. First, we wouldn't be debating this, and we'd most likely be debating something about "God's personality" if anything! But to get back on topic, do you think everyone's perspective of the meaning of our lives would be much different and more secure and reasonable? God from the Christian Bible is a likely Creator Because there now is existence (and we do not intend to debate this point), then something has always existed. Either God always existed or matter has always existed. If there was no God, then matter has always existed. Matter, as much as is scientifically known (this author has a Ph.D. in one of the sciences) is composed of atoms which are composed of protons, neutrons, and electrons (no one really knows what protons, neutrons, or electrons are composed of--though some type of energy appears probable there are also quarks and other items that seem to be involved). [3] The Bible backs up the argument that God has existed forever. Consider these verses: Genesis 21:33 says "Abraham planted a tamarisk tree in Beersheba, and there he called upon the name of the LORD, the Eternal God." Psalm 90:1 says "Lord, you have been our dwelling place throughout all generations. Before the mountains were born or you broghtu forth the earth and the world, from the everlasting to everlasting you are God...For a thousand years in your sight are like a day that has just gone by, or like a watch in the night." Psalm 100:5 says, "For the LORD is good and his love endures forever; his faithfulness continues through all generations." Ephesians 3:10 says, "His intent was that now, through the church, the manifold wisdom of God should be made known to the rulers and authorities in the heavenly realms, according to his eternal purpose which he accomplished in Christ Jesus our Lord. Revelation 1:8 says, "I am the Alpha and the Omega,' says the Lord God, 'who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty.'" Deuteronomy 33:27 says, "The eternal God is your refuge." 1 Timothy 1:17 says, "Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only God, be honor and glory for ever and ever. Amen." [4] The Bible talks about this type of debate and, quite suspectedly, says in Psalm 14:1: 'The fool says in their heart that there is no God, they are corrupt...The Lord looks down from Heaven on all mankind to see if there is anyone who understands, any who seek God. All have turned away." You can probably guess why. Admittedly, there is lots of misconceptions, lies, paths that lead down the wrong direction, misleadings, and confusing hypothesis and ideas. It's hard to know which one is correct. But if we study the nature of God and the Bible which is His Word, we can come to see the puzzle pieces fit together and take sovereignty over all man-discovered science. Sources: [1] http://blogs.christianpost.com... [2] http://www.catholicherald.co.uk... [3] http://www.cogwriter.com... [4] http://thoughtfulfaith.wordpress.com...