The Existence of God Can Be Proven

Thanks again to everyone who commented and found this debating interesting. I certainly did. And thanks to my opponent for his well thought out response. My opponent has made the statement that the three laws of logic are both: 1. The conventions of mankind 2. Descriptions of reality As well as stating that "Logical absolutes do exist." Well, I am not sure if I am understanding correctly, but how can there be logical absolutes if they are merely mankind's conventions? My opponent has stated that morality is what is agreed upon, thus there is no objective morality, my opponent has stated that the laws of logic are conventions (what is agreed upon). So how can there be logical absolutes? Ultimately, I do not think my opponent, or anyone for that matter would be willing to accept the consequences if logic was mankind's convention; if logic was the conventions of mankind, what exactly is stopping us from changing those conventions? For the sake of this discussion, I could, in all honesty, gather a group of people and we could agree upon our own set of logic. Or better yet, I could "not agree" with the conventional logic and adapt something entirely different. For example, suppose in this debate my next argument was: "My opponent is wrong because the sound of Friday is just as spicy as the speed of lightning" If logic is not immutable, I can mutate it, and this would apply to math, language, and pretty much every other thing that requires logic. What is stopping me from doing this? And what is stopping my statement from being valid? If logic is merely a description of the world around us, I might ask, does the world around us ever change? If so, why not logic? "By arguing this, are you are implying that God is somehow out of the realms of logic himself? Can God make something not be itself? Can God make something the opposite of itself? Can God make something both itself and not itself? An omnipotent God should be able to do these things. (e.g. create a rock that is too heavy for him to lift" Actually I was arguing the opposite. God did not create logic, nor is He outside of logic. Logic is a reflection of His Mind and His very nature. It is because God cannot do contradictory things that we have the laws of logic. I was not arguing we did not know where they came from, I argue that we do know, that without God they would be relative. As touching the example of morality my opponent gave, the existence of absolute morality does not exclude the possibilities of gray areas. What it does say are that there are things that are certainly and absolutely wrong no matter. what. I will ask my opponent this in response: Suppose Molly decided to push the man in front of the train, not to save anyone, not as a choice between two tragedies, but simply because she felt like it. Would this be absolutely morally wrong at all times and in all places? If so, what moral standard are you appealing to? I say yes and appeal to Thou shalt not murder. "But how? Well, as a society we can conclude that murder is not good and has negative consequences. We don't need a God to tell us this." This presupposes that negative consequences are truly and objectively negative does this not? " The Answer: Not very long. Natural selection made it to where those people died off and societies where murder was wrong therefore prospered" So murder is not truly wrong, just not beneficial to our primitive survival? **Subjective morality is not dangerous. It simply means that everything is up for debate. Murder is wrong. Rape is wrong. Stealing is wrong. (Stoning homosexuals is wrong)** Are these up for debate? " From your argument it is impossible to discern your God from the God of Islam or Zeus. Morality is from God in other religions too." I am no Greek mythology expert but I do not think Zeus shared any characteristics of the God of Scripture accept for maybe being the highest in position, but JHVH is not a part of a pantheon so I don't see a parallel. Again I am not certain. However, in order to run with this claim, it would need to be proven that these gods or any share identical characteristics with the God of the Bible, (immutability, being immaterial, being all good , which Zeus was not) As far as Islam I am quite certain Islam shares some ideologies that are not very in line with the Christian moral ethos. I would like to bring up one final point, the presupposition that our sense are working properly was not adressed. Do you have any thoughts on this? And I appreciate your side note. I am enjoying this debate. Thank you.