Sina's Challenge

My Rebuttal:Con said: "One ought to consider the values that were dominant of the society at the time, as do most historians. It is a at best, hugely unfair to judge individuals of bygone days by modern standards. As said individuals would not have only been wholly unaware of as they would not have yet, but would also make no practical sense as such morals would have been followed by anyone at the time."My response: While this might be true to a certain extent, it is briging up irrelevant points. Notice that we aren't just judging any old joe-shmoe; we are judging a man whom his followers (wrongly) claimed that he had superior moral characters that set him apart from others. Some go as far as to state that Muhammad was the greatest man to walk this Earth. So con's point is just pulling the wool over the readers eyes. Slavery was bad and always has been. Does that justify slavery when it was acceptable to the social norm? Hell no, never was and never will be. And I say to you that even though marrying young might have been the social norm during Muhammad's time, Muhammad supposedly being a prophet of God shouldn't be like others. If everyone jumps off a cliff that doesn't justify a prophet of God doing so also. Likewise Muhammad is not excused for sleeping with a 9 year old girl just because it was the social norm back then. I would expect more from someone whose followers claim him to be the greatest man to ever live.Con later went on to try to absolve Muhammad from being a narcissist by showing that he refused to be given praise because he was just a servant of God.My response: Since I haven't really looked into this particular charge against Muhammad and since I don't deny that Muhammad may have been somewhat humble, I will concede this point. But I never argued that Muhammad was a narcissist, so let's see how con can respond to the charges I did make against Muhammad.Con said "In short, for one to prove Muhammad (pbuh) as a lecher, one would have to demonstrate that he constantly exhibited excessive sexual lust to the point of indecency."My response: I will do just that:Narrated by Anas: The Prophet used to go round (have sexual relations with) all his wives in one night, and he had nine wives. (Sahih Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 62, Number 6)What...the prophet's sexual desires were so out of control that he had to have sex with 9 of his wives in a single night? This man would make High Hefner jealous. Just so I am clear, I am not saying having sex with your wife is a bad thing, but to have sex with 9 of your wives in the same night proves exactly what you asked for...that Muhammad had excessive sexual desires.Want more? Narrated Maimuna: When ever Allah's Apostle wanted to fondle any of his wives during the periods (menses), he used to ask her to wear an Izar. (Sahih Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 6, Number 300) I think we have our answer...Muhammad had excessive sexual desires to the point that he even wanted to fondle with his wives while they were on their period...talk about a creep. Con pointed to some source to define pedophilia and later tried to show that Muhammad didn't have sex with Aisha until she was 9. My response: I will cite a study conducted to determine the average age of puberty in ancient societies including the medieval Middle East, Muhammad's time: http://www.mum.org... Con can read it if he wishes but according to the study, the average age of puberty in the Medieval Middle East is 12-13. Hence Aisha was still pre-pubescent when Muhammad had sex with her. So if the overwhelming evidence from the Hadiths is correct (and it almost certainly is) then Muhammad has sex with someone who was 9 years old; which is before they reached puberty before 12-13. Hence Muhammad is a pedophile according to the standards Con himself appealed to and the definition of pedophilia he provided me. Muhammad had no sexial inclination with the prepubescent?<---Your claim. Buddy, I just proved my case. According to the study I cited, the age of puberty is 12-13 for people in Medieval Middle East (Muhammad's time). Muhammad had sex with a 9 year old - which is not the age of puberty. Hence according to your own definition, you are refuted and Muhammad is exposed as a pedophile. Rebuttal Conclusions: Please note that we are already done with rebuttals and Con hasn't responded to anything I have said with the possible objection to my pedophilia charge. Since Con claims to have missed round one for unintentional reasons, he has to provide a thourough refuation to the claims I have made. I already responded to the jist of his arguments. If con cannot provide refutations of my claim in the next round, then the debate is over for him. I don't even think anything in my opening argument can be rebutted unless con wants to play the game of dismissing his own sources when they expose Muhammad. I appealed to the same sources he appealed to, so if he is going to play the eenie meenie monie moe game with the Islamic sources, I will do exactly that to to his citations of Islamic sources.