Biblical Errancy

Genealogy from David to Jeconiah according to Luke David —Nathan — Matththah — Menan — Melea — Eliakim — Jonan — Joseph — Judah — Simeon— Levi — Matthat — Jorim — Eliezer — Jose — Er — Elmodam — Cosam — Addi —Melchi — Neri —Jeconiah (also called Jehoiachin and Coniah) — Assir — Shealtiel — Zerubbabel You really do need to hold yourself accountable to what you assert. This is not the genealogyrecorded in Luke. The historical and scholarly evidence given in round 3 speaks for itself as establishing Jesus’ right to inherit David’s throne through the bloodline of both Joseph and Mary. 1.The Messiah must be a descendant of David and Solomon. 2.Jesus was not a descendant of David and Solomon. 3.Therefore, Jesus is not the Messiah. Your syllogism above fails in premise 2 making your conclusion false. 1.The Messiah must be a descendant of David and Solomon. 2.Jesus was a legal descendant of David and Solomon through Joseph. 3.Jesus was the physical descendant of David through Mary. 4.Therefore Jesus is the Messiah.Your argument against Jesus’ genealogy using the Talmud is invalid according to your own terms. “It is not a viable argument to present the New Testamentas contradicting with anything outside of the text, including Science, the Church, Other Religions, Other Documents from the 1st Century, etc.” This article by Jewish scholar may be more persuasive: “Untangling Yeshua’sGenealogical Record.” By Rabbi Yehudah ben Shomeyr-http://www.adint-ministries.com... "Tovia Singer, following the tact of numerous skeptics, atheists and agnostics, demonstrates the lack of understanding of the Gospel texts, created by a lack of desire to sincerely understand them. He states that Matthew and Luke's genealogies are both of Yosef. This raises a valid question: How can Yeshua have two contradictory genealogies? Matthew's genealogy is that of Yosef, the son of Ya'akov, the descendant of Shlomo, who would LEGALLY pass the throne to Yeshua. Luke's Genealogy is that of Miryam's, the daughter of Eli, the descendant of Natan. This shows that Yeshua is PHYSICALLY the descendant of David, to fulfill the prophecy that Messiah would be of David's seed. Does then, the concept of the virgin birth create a problem for Yeshua? How can he legally inherit the Throne of David from Yosef, if Yosef is not Yeshua's physical progenitor, as inheritance is through the father? Messianic Jewish scholar David Stern notes in his Jewish New Testament Commentary: Yosef's behavior shows that he accepted Yeshua as his son. According to the Mishna, "If one say, 'This is my son, 'he is to be believed" (Bava Batra 8:6). The Gemara explains that he is believed "as regards the right of inheritance" (Bava Batra 134a). Thus Yeshua, as legally acknowledged son, is entitled to inherit the throne of King David from Yosef, a descendant of David (v. 8). (This point is made by Phillip Goble, How to Point to Yeshua in Your Rabbi's Bible, New York: Artists for Israel, 1986.)"Full article: http://www.messianicart.com... Below is the "death blow" to the Jeconiah curse argument http://www.messianicart.com... As for Tyre: This is another so-called error or contradiction being repeated again which has been addressed so many times in the past. The mainstream Christian explanation is well represented here: http://www.apologeticspress.org... Drawing the Word of God into question has been the special tactic used by His enemies from the very beginning of the human experience. The fatally wrong response by our first parents to- “Has God really said” (Genesis 3:1) resulted in a universal calamity that will only be finallyresolved when Jesus returns to “make all things new”. (Revelation 21:5) The Biblical record of human history is replete with the defiance, hatred, rejection, unbelief, and willful blindness of God’s authoritative Word of all those who are ruined by nature and by choice aping Adam and Eve’s misplaced trust in themseves. God explains why people reject His Word: And the Father who sent Me, He has testified of Me. You have neither heard His voice at any time nor seen His form. You do not have His word abiding in you, for you do not believe Him whom He sent. John5:37-38 So Jesus was saying to those Jews who had believed Him, “If you continue in My word, then you are truly disciples of Mine; and you will know the truth, and the truth will make you free.” They answered Him, “We are Abraham’s descendants and have never yet been enslaved to anyone; how is it that You say, 'You will become free’?” Jesus answered them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is the slave of sin. The slave does not remain in thehouse forever; the son does remain forever. So if the Son makes you free, you will be free indeed. I know that you are Abraham’s descendants; yet you seek to kill Me, because My word has no place in you. I speak the things which I have seen with My Father; therefore you also do the things which you heard from your father.” They answered and said to Him, “Abraham is our father.” Jesus said to them, “If you are Abraham’s children, do the deeds of Abraham. But as it is, you are seeking to kill Me, a man who has told you the truth, which I heard from God; this Abraham did not do. You are doing the deeds of your father.” They said to Him, “We werenot born of fornication; we have one Father: God.” Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I proceeded forth and have come from God, for I have not even come on My own initiative, but He sent Me. Why do you not understand what I am saying? It is because you cannot hear My word. You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truthbecause there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies. But because I speak the truth, you do not believe Me. Which one of you convicts Me of sin? If I speak truth, why do you not believe Me? He who is of God hears the words of God; for this reason you do not hear them, because you are not of God.John 8:31-47 At that time the Feast of the Dedication took place at Jerusalem; it was winter, and Jesus was walking in the temple in the portico of Solomon. The Jews then gathered around Him, and were saying to Him, “How long will You keep us in suspense? If You are the Christ, tell us plainly.” Jesus answered them, “I told you, and you do not believe; the works that I do in My Father’s name, these testify of Me. But you do not believe because you are not of My sheep. My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me; and I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand. My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand. I and the Father are one. John10:22-30 And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing, in whose case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelieving so that they might not see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God. 2Cor4:3-4 just as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given him, wrote to you, as also in all his letters, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which the untaught and unstable distort, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction. 2Peter3:15b-16 These citations speak directly to the issue. The “Fall” (Genesis 3) has ruined the image of God that man was created in, esp.-mind, will, emotions. Atheists insist on “enough”? evidence so that they may understand in order to believe but you do not understand God’s word because you do not believe. Hard sayings?-Yes Difficult passages?-Yes Study required?-Yes Is God’s Word, the Bible, the consistent, reliable truth? Yes