The Traditional God Can Exist

===REPLIES=== On Omnipotence: If I understand Pro correctly, he's saying that since God is all-powerful HE WOULD be able to make a stone he cannot lift but AFTER doing so would NO LONGER be all-powerful. This is a very clever response that I haven't heard before. It took me a moment but I see where it falls apart. It rests upon the concept of time. It says God WAS this and then IS that. But since God is defined as the origin of all things, it also means he is the origin of time. This places him not only within but also outside time. So any logic about God must be equally reasonable as it is outside the concept of time as it is within. So the paradox must then be restated so that the stone is created outside time. Once this is done, pro's rebuttal falls apart. ________ On perfection: My opponent claims we must concede that out imperfect minds cannot understand perfection. This is illogical on a few points. First, the concept of perfection we are using here is created by the human mind. And we are going by the definition provided by our human mind. Second, the definition we have is perfectly reasonable. Perfection is to say that it cannot get better. From this I came to a clear logical conclusion that a perfect God cannot exist. Thirdly, by saying that we cannot understand it you are saying that no point can be made for my case by any measure of reason. When reason is removed from the debate than we longer have any rule of thumb for deciding a winner or making any sense of anything. So Pro failed to create a case against my argument. ________ On all-righteousness: Pro's case against my argument rests solely on the assertion that humans have free-will and it was righteous of God to give us free-will. Free-will being the source of all misfortune. This makes necessary the introduction of my next argument. ===ARGUMENTS=== Free-will does not exist: What is it you mean when you say free-will? Do you even know? In what way it is free? Hogwash, I say. For whether the origin of our choices are from chemical reactions(as science has proven) or from some kind of soul, it is still a functioning system bound by cause and effect. One thing causes another. Everything you do, everything you think was directly caused by a particular and very complex series of events. From the womb, with the genes that made you initially as you were, to everything you've ever encountered during your life-time. The thoughts flowing through your mind right at this very moment were inevitable to occur, due to what happened prior. And it's not just our minds, it's everything. Everything that has happened and everything that ever will happen is bound to happen. Free-will just doesn't exist. _______ Re-assertion on all-righteousness: Since free-will does not exist, my opponent's argument falls apart. If God were all-powerful and all-righteous he would act to stop that which is bad. If God were all-knowing and all-righteous he would not have made anything that he knew would inevitably lead to that which is bad. Furthermore, if a God existed, he would essentially made all our choices for us, since he created all and knew what it would lead to. Thus he would have caused any bad decisions we would make. Further destroying Pro's previous case against my argument.