The Trinity Is Biblical

Thank you Cattycat99 for the debate challenge and good luck!Pro defines the trinity as “Godhead as one God in three persons: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.”The resolve reads “The Trinity is Biblical.”Pro organizes her argument in three parts, I will address her points in the order they were presented. Rebuttal of point 1. “Biblical”When studying the Bible you will not find the trinity enunciated anywhere. It is not laid out in scripture. You will not find such a verse because it does not exist. Those who believe in the doctrine of the trinity often deduce such doctrine from a collocation of verses.As such, below are verses of scripture that clearly teach that the Father and the Son are not the same person but are rather separate and distinct beings. In these examples Jesus Christ communicates with and interacts with God. This would be unnecessary if the doctrine of the trinity were true and certainly do not make sense if the doctrine were true. After each I will ask questions that illuminate how absurd the belief of the trinity would be.Mark 10:18 (see also Mathew 19: 16-17 and Luke 18-19)"And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God."How can God be good excluding Jesus if they are one God in three persons?Mathew 24:36 (see also mark 13:32)"But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone."How can the Father know something the Son does not if they are one God?John 17: 20-22"20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:"If the believers of the apostles words are to become one in the same way that God and Jesus Christ are one, does this mean that the apostles and believers are one person? Christ says “that they also may be one in us…” Does this mean that those who believe the apostles are part of the trinity?Luke 22: 41-42"41 And he was withdrawn from them about a stone’s cast, and kneeled down, and prayed,42 Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done."If God the Father and Jesus are one God, why would Jesus have to ask anything? How can Jesus set aside his will for the Father’s if they are one God with one will?Mathew 27:46" And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?"If they are one God, why would Jesus ask God why he has been forsaken? If God is three persons how can “God” forsake part of itself?These verses of scripture present an issue for the doctrine of the trinity, as the doctrine of the trinity does not make sense when applied to these verses.Rebuttal of point 2. RelationalPro say’s “This is the significance of the trinity. That we can have a relationship with God- and know that we can have relationships with others because of the trinity.”This is a nice sentiment, I imagine this a strong personal belief of my opponent. As such, I will just point out that relationships existence is not contingent on the existence of the trinity and in no way supports the notion of the trinity. I have a relationship with my wife, my children, my friends, even people I just met, yet this in no way implies that we are all one. Likewise, just because God had and continues to have relationships does not in any way show the trinity to be true or false. This contention is disconnected from the topic being debated. Rebuttal of point 3. MysteriousPro argues that the doctrine of the Trinity is incomprehensible sourcing her father saying "Exactly! We can"t fully understand it!"An incomprehensible God is an unknowable God.incomprehensible: "impossible to understand or comprehend; unintelligible."(1)"With such a confusing definition of God being imposed upon the church, little wonder that a fourth-century monk cried out, "Woe is me! They have taken my God away from me, " and I know not whom to adore or to address."(2)The bible teaches differently…" And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent." John 17:3"The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God" Romans 8:16The message the Bible presents on this topic is simple, we the children of God strive for eternal life, which is to Know God, and Jesus Christ. To accept God as unknowable is to deny the possibility of eternal life. We are to know God as the bible teaches. I agree with pro that the trinity is incomprehensible and thus unbiblical and untrue. Concluding Rebuttal:The trinity is not taught in the bible and is therefore not biblical. The existence of relationships and their importance does show support for, or against, the concept of the trinity. The trinity is incomprehensible and therefore unknowable. The God of the Bible teaches that to know God is eternal life and we are invited to come to know God, therefore the God of the Bible is not part of a trinity. Counter arguments:1: The historicity of the trinityThe Doctrine of the trinity was not common in Christian theology until the 4th century."The formulation 'one God in three Persons' was not solidly established ... into Christian life ... prior to the 4th century.... Among the Apostolic Fathers, there has been nothing even remotely approaching such a mentality or perspective."(3)"Indeed no less a source than the stalwart harper"s Bible Dictionary records that "the formal doctrine of the Trinity as it was defined by the great church councils of the fourth and fifth centuries in not to be found in the New testament." (2)To those who belive in the trinity I ask the question, If the doctrine of the trinity is biblical, why was it not commonly taught until hundreds of years after the life of Christ?Clearly the trinity is not biblical as it is not taught within the bibles pages, nor was it taught among those who walked with Christ. The Doctrine of the Trinity did not even exist in Christian theology until centuries after Christ. Sources:(1) http://dictionary.reference.com...(2) https://www.lds.org...(3) http://www.auburn.edu...