Predestination Unto Salvation

"Yes one can resist being drawn to something." Not when it comes to man and God. I have showed you already that the Bible makes it plain to us that nobody seeks after God. We therefore, in our sinful nature always RESIST God. Now if we are in a constant state of resistance to God, then it logically follows that the grace necessary for salvation MUST be irresistible. If it were not irresistible, nobody would ever be saved because they would be in constant rebellion. We know for a fact that some people will be saved, so the grace must be irresistible. 1 Corinthians 2:14--- "the natural man receives not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness to him; neither indeed can he know them because they are spiritually discerned" "You still have to chose to begin God's work though." We CANNOT choose God on our own accord. We are UTTERLY DEAD in our sins, and ONLY RESIST GOD. The Bible cannot make this more clear. Look at all of these scriptures and you cannot tell me that there is even a trace if good in man. Tit. 1:15, Gen. 6:5, Jer. 17:9, Rom. 3:10-18. "Personaly I think it ridiculous to say that something that is just is not also fair." Is it 'just' to damn all men in rebellion of God? Absolutely. Are all men in rebellion of God? Yes, the Bible makes that quite clear. Is it 'fair' for God to save some of the people in rebellion and not others? Nope. Does God save some in rebellion and not others? Yes, He does. We can conclude from this that God is just in damning those in rebellion, and we can also conclude that God is MERCIFUL in not damning some of us that are (or were) in rebellion. We cannot conclude that God is fair, because He is not. Fairness requires absolute equality, in which case all men would go to heaven. All men are not going to heaven, so we can conclude that God is just, but is not fair. "How is it either just or fair to condemn or save someone he instant they are born, without them having done anything to deserve their judgement." First off, I believe that we were all predestined unto either salvation or damnation before the creation of the world. You believe all men are innocent at birth? I am afraid you are mistaken. The fact of the matter is this: At the moment of conception, WE AS MEN ARE DAMNABLE. We, descendants of Adam and therefore we inherit his sin. Because of this, we deserve death from the very moment we exist. The Bible tells us that we are guilty of Adams sin in Romans 5:12,15-19. I believe that the gift of salvation is a free gift (fee meaning no cost), but a gift only given to specific few, and an irresistible gift to those few. Allow me to reiterate on what I have argued concerning my side of the debate. 1. Man is totally depraved and cannot accept God on his own accord. (Tit. 1:15, Gen. 6:5, Jer. 17:9, Rom. 3:10-18.) 2. God draws people to Himself with an irresistible grace, becaue if His grace were resistible then nobody would be saved. (1 Corinthians 2:14) 3. God chooses who to save and who to damn without human intervention. God appoints some people to salvation, and some to condemnation. (Acts 13:48, Jude 1:4, Romans 9 >The whole chapter, but mainly verses like 18<, Psalms 65:4, Etc.) I would like to close with some questions that I would like you to answer in your final argument. As a believer in free will, why do you pray for the salvation of unbelievers? Are you not asking God to meddle in their free will? and As a believer in free will, it follows that you believe God died for all the sins of every man in order that all men might be saved. However, is unbelief a sin? If it is, then all men WILL go to heaven, because God, as you say, died for all sins. Unbelief is resisting God, resisting God is a sin, therefore unbelief is a sin. So, if God did in fact die for all sins, how do you explain people going to hell? Please answer these questions, and please make some atempt to support your side of the debate scripturally. Thanks, Renzzy