Abortion

My opponent didn't accept my offer :( * tear* Point 1: You just conceded my case as you have not had any good rebuttals right now. But yes he did provide statistics in his whole book, further more he said STATISTICS prove his conclusion and hypothesis correct. Also the 93rd congress referred to statistics and their authors for those who disagree. So in all technicalities you have shown no proof for your side, therefore I win point one. Point 2: You say you like facts, yet you have provided none. Also when the abortion occurs the family is usually there, which makes sense as they wold say hey guys help me not feel pain. It is logical one family member or friend will be there, also the woman wouldn't die (if she did) immediately, it would be over the course of a few hours or days, by then people would a. notice, b. tell on her, c. get caught. Point 3: I have proven a fetus is a human therefore murder, you didn't refute. You seem to have had weak arguments that it was dangerous, and the fetus feels pain has turned in to a link war. I have my whole case either ill refuted or unscathed. Also you have NOT defended your arguments, therefore conceding them to me. Also you have to prove aboriton is justified, which you have not. Point 4: hm lol. A plane ticket to Europe is expensive: http://www.planetickets.com... Also they can put up the kid for adoption if they truly cannot support him. So if they know they can't they will put him up and give him away. Also bypassing a law is no reason to allow it. Point 5 No you just said it feels pain but you have turned this into a link war. It is really bugging me ;(. Point 6: a few questions: 1. facts? 2. I have proven and shown the psychology of this 3. I will provide evidence as I am bored and you had no good rebuttal (So I will win this argument much more): "These figures clearly contradict the pro-abortionists' claim that abortion of "unwanted children" prevents child abuse. Ignoring the obvious illogic of this argument--which suggests that killing children is better than beating them--there is not a single scientific study that supports this theory. Instead, there is a clear statistical association between increased rates of abortion and increased rates of child abuse. Indeed, statistical and clinical research support not only an association, but a causal connection between abortion and subsequent child abuse." [1] Point 7: lol once again you fail to understand my logic. If they honestly truly can't take care of the child they will give it away. It is a simple argument. You have prove proof that he foster care system is flawed, I have proven the system is secured as they check the family. From an adoption website nonetheless. Proving that this system is fairly safe . Point 8: You had a quote but no link, indicating it may be fake. You forgot this logic: more kids = more people that will hire. So you say more kids = less jobs, from a possibly fake quote. I have proven with logic it = more employers. And it is bad for the economy: In terms of the economy, abortion undermines future growth. [2] Point 9: you have not proven it is later in the year, that was a year average. And still really you say Wikipedia is more credible then a goverment source? If anything I should say better stats please. Point 10: It is valid as I have to prove adoption is another option, thanks for conceding that. Point 11: ok fine you have 8, (really what a link war) I will throw out 15 if need be: 8 weeks [3] 8 weeks [4] 8 weeks [5] 8 weeks [6] lol I posted my links out of order at one point. 8-12 weeks [7] 8 weeks at least [8] feels some pain in 12 weeks, major pain at 20, and in the second trimester ok pain. So in the first trimester it is still painful. [9] 8 weeks [10] You say more sources = better, so in that logic have won this argument. Point 12: ok so you still push for sources,although mine are written by doctors yours by a news anchor. So I will provide more as you are insistent: causes mental health issues [11] depression [12] depression [13] Ron I am sure your a good kid, but a debate tip, don't force people to enter link wars it is really annoying and not fun to read. So stop with the red herring on sources, i have proven my argument with medical journals. point 13; what? how does an unwanted pregnancy cause breast cancer? Also your sources are one biased, 3 usatoday is liberal, biased, the only good source here is your 3rd one. So I will add on 4 to top you as you demand a link war. abortion increases risk of breast cancer [14] increases risk of breast cancer [15] increases chance breast cancer by 150% [16] increases breast cancer by 150% [17] No really though this debate is becoming very downgraded due to you demanding more links. Point 14: um ok I have proved adoption is safe. Have you even tried? No you have conceded this to me. Point 15: You have not provided that illegal abortion would raise the rate of kids kept. Your argument is a fallacy, therefor oyu basically concede this to me as I refuted it early on. You didn't defend it. ==conclusion== my opponent created a link war that was unpleasant, but in his sense I have won this war. Further more, my opponent neither defends his arguments with any great grace nor attacks mine without logical answers. That is h=why i urge you to vote con. My point his proven, his debunked. I have proven that abortion is murder as a fetus is a human (you didn't tack this argument) and also it is bad for the woman. So I have proven abortion is bad, and/or unjustified, I ha fulfilled the BOP, my opponent hasn't. That is why I must end as I am low on room and have PROVEN my case and debunked his. I urge you to vote con, I report you decide. sources: http://www.abortionfacts.com... [1] Fight for Life - a pro-life handbook for Southern Africa, by Miriam Cain. 1995 Africa Christian Action, Cape Town, p27 [2] http://www.gargaro.com... [3] http://www.doctorsonfetalpain.com... [5] http://www.whyprolife.com... [4] http://unitedfamiliesinternational.wordpress.com... [6] http://rationalwiki.org... [7] http://www.lifeissues.net... [8] http://www.fetalfacts.net... [9] http://www.tumblr.com... [10] http://www.lifenews.com... [11] http://www.lifenews.com... [12] http://www.abortiontv.com... [13] http://www.abortionbreastcancer.com... [14] http://www.lifesitenews.com... [15] http://www.etters.net... [16] http://www.pregnantpause.org... [17]