Speed Debate: Communism

Now more or less your entire argument was based on a straw man which I debunked (despite not knowing you were going to claim this should I add) in the last argument. That being that communism is somehow totalitarian control over businesses, this is simply flat out wrong. You could say that this is the definition for this debate but this is still not an argument, I could create a debate saying that the minimum wage should be higher and define minimum wage and the height of doors and despite that being the definition for the debate it would still be flat out wrong. Your arguments do work (to a greater or lesser extent) against the system which was the case under the USSR, Maoist China eastern Europe and a range of other states. The problem is that these states worked under a system of ultra totalitarian state capitalism. That being a system where the means of production are owned by the state not by the workers, this system is also known as Marxism - Leninism (despite not having anything to do with Marx) or simply Leninism. Also entrepreneurship can actually exist under communism the difference is that under communism entrepreneurship (while it can still in theory be individually oriented) is resourced by the community as a whole. In conclusion you are arguing against a system of capitalism called Marxism - Leninism not communism. Now you do make a few reasonable points against some of what I said and I will address them now. "When the workers truly do want to support the community, then it works, but when they don't, it fails horribly. Think of what happened in Europe with all the starvation and poor life. I am not saying that community-mind, for lack of a better term, can't be accomplished, but I'm saying that it can be very difficult when not dealing with just a small amount of people without being very strict, which is a downfall." Now where communism has been enacted it's worked quite well and this simply hasn't been the case. There are in theory ways of getting people to work if necessary but under communism in Catalonia and the Ukraine these were never necessary because when people are working for their families and communities especially with the increased feeling of community fostered by communism they tend to work just as hard as they do under the capitalist system. "This is true, but without the spirit of competition, there is not much incentive to work hard. Just work enough, get your pay, and repeat. Again, I am not saying that the workers can't all be motivated to work for the community, but it can be very hard with many people, which is what a government wants, usually." There is now pay under communism, we reject money as an institution. And we see competition as only important when it actually helps people which it has shown not to do and we feel communism works much better for this. "I'm not sure I understand what point you are making. Actually, I have no idea what you are saying. I know this looks bad on me, but I have no clue. Are you talking about the hard work needed to get pay? Even in Communism, if you want to have a successful business system, you need to have hard workers. The workers will need to work hard to contribute well to the community." I may not have explained this very well (partly due to lack of time xD) anyway I'll simply say that under a non communism system you must work for a certain amount of time without being paid to produce surplus value. Now community feelings are generally built up under communism due to the system of communism itself and this was shown in communist Catalonia during the revolution there.