Superman vs Goku (Revised)

This is my 5th try pls forgive me I thank you for allowing me to post my long argument I am also sorry if my argument is not good enough cause I have forgotten my past argument and I am now trying to repeat it--Just to clear things most of my scans are using this superman which means this is the superman I shall use since this is also the most used superman --I do agree that some superheroes who run fast can fight fast but Superman is not one of those this scan shows superman fighting ultra man at light speeds not only is he in light speed but even his fingers move the same speed and if you compare superman's speed and his strength and combine them the pressure jabs will pretty much stun Goku Superman has done this before but even faster that I will show further on but here is another scan in which Superman fights inside a blackhole with 4x times the speed of light Superman does get hit all the time to make the comic fun flash is faster than light but he still gets hit would you like to see a hero who never gets hit the scan above shows him moving at 4x the speed of light to stop his opponent this took place in a blackhole.If you do not beleive that this is his opponent you can tell me that and I shall post the following pages of this comic plus he accelerated from 12 k to 184 k which means it might take about 5 minutes for him to reach 4x the speed of light--This post comes from the link you gave which states that Flash often tied with Superman in terms of speed but Flash won more for the reasdon that Flash had more experience running while Superman was flying running alone shows that superman is faster than Goku while Goku is flying here is the post All incarnations of the Flash can move, think, and react at superhuman speeds. Some, notably later versions, can vibrate so fast that they can walk through walls, travel through time and can also lend and borrow speed. Furthermore, all members have an invisible aura around their bodies that prevents themselves and their clothes from being affected by air friction as they move at high speed.[volume & issue needed] On several occasions, the Flash has raced against Superman, either to determine who is faster or as part of a mutual effort to thwart some type of threat; these races, however, often resulted in ties because of outside circumstances. Writer Jim Shooter and artist Curt Swan crafted the story "Superman's Race With the Flash!" in Superman #199 (Aug. 1967) which featured the first race between the Flash and Superman.[13] Writer E. Nelson Bridwell and artist Ross Andru produced "The Race to the End of the Universe", a followup story four months later in The Flash #175 (Dec. 1967).[14] However, after the DC Universe revision after Crisis on Infinite Earths, The Flash does successfully beat Superman in a race in Adventures of Superman #463 -traveling through time and walking through pretty already explains that not only in most iterations those flash reach light speed but he normally does and reaches more than it but still Superman had the ability to tie with flash which overall is faster than even InstantTransmission--This is false Dbz blasts and waves are made from Ki and energy which does no have heat if it did have heat it was no where near the heat of the sun's core in which Supermans heat vision can exceed if he chooses which means his heat vision would either knock or disentegrate Goku but why would superman make his vision hotter than the sun's core that is the question here we can see Superman's heat vision can even repair holes in the cosmo's that I do not think any of goku's attacks can do His heat vison can also blind people with it Heat up earth with it and even the scientists admit his heat vision may have not limit --I do agree that a kamehameha does not take to long that was a mistake but it still takes 5-30 seconds to fire a strong kamehameha there is such a thing called fast kamehameha though and it still needs to say KA-ME-HA-ME ha in a much faster fasion I do agree that they do not need to say this but it makes the blast stronger and this kamehameha was the fastest ever recorded.Fast Kamehameha The Fast Kamehameha is a standing variation of the Kamehameha used by Gohan in his Super Saiyan 2 form during his battle with Perfect Cell. When he uses the powerful attack, he just stands powering up for the Kamehameha up to "KA-ME-HA-ME," holds it back, and then launches it with "HA!". It was quickly used to repel Perfect Cell's Kamehameha when it was about to hit Gohan and destroy the Earth.-- I am not sure what you are talking about since Superman is much more durable than that you can show me proof if you want while I show you this scan where a much weaker version of the superman I used survives a blast as strong as 1 million nuclear blasts that again exceeds your argument about 1 nuclear blast and may even exceeds Goku's kamehameha Plus can a kamehameha have the same heat and force as the sun have cause Superman can simply swim in the sun Plus fighting under the red sun while holding back he was still able to fight Lobo who is just like superman Plus I do not think a blast that can destroy a planet can kill somebody who can survive being in the middle of 2 colliding planets --Again superman has kryptonian martial arts which is based on stunnnig your opponents muscles in which exceeds any of Goku's martial arts --aerial combat goes to superman why first off yes Goku can sense life energy but will he attack somebody he randomly senses I think not he will try to find out who it is since this is a battle he will only attack once he sees its supermanPlus again Superman can move at light speeds in fighting alone Goku cannot continue in using IT the whole time just to keep up with superma's light speed and movement how will be pushing the air out give Goku the ability to catch somebody who can just keep on moving at 4x the speed of light hitting him without him knowing plus Superman can vibrate his molecules so fast that he cannot be hit even somebody like doomsday cannot --I am not sure if this is a stronger superman in my past scans but this one survived a universe buster --I do think that Goku has the ability to escape but he cannot It to far not even from earth to namek so how will he escape a super breath that expands a solar system cause a simple sneeze already expands the solar system what more a blow I know its a bit unrealistic but that is why I picked superman The reason he was able to do this is because he was not holding back while here he is Which means even if Goku uses It it would not work it would only make him reach half of the place he needs to get out and he would turn into ice Superman killing him is the real question Superman and Goku would probably fight somewhere else but the problem is it cannot be space since Goku cannot breath there they would probably find an uninhabited but has oxygen kind of planet you may argue that Goku can It through planets but he himself states that earth to namek is to far for him to sense Ki--I do think that Superman exceeds Goku I think SS3 has the chance on really giving superman a fight but Superman will still come out on top--If we look at there punching power I think we could say Superman punches harder than Goku can if Superman goes all out and land one hit On Goku IT over jsut like How superman was able to destroy a robot designed to be jsut like him in one punch Plus if he did not hold back in this scan LOBO would have been orbiting the sun for a century This is just a qaurter of Superman's abilities, strength and speed I look foward to your answer Oh yea Superman can hold blackholes in his hand GOOD LUCK