A pregnant mother 21 shot and killed - yeah right- yet again another reason why god cannot exist

It is very typical that you a 17 year old, just joined debate.org and is phenomenally naive about the world that surrounds him. Absolutely god can exist, atheists don't deny it we just don't believe it, but its up to you to prove it - and that's only true IF and only IF you believe that this creature is 100% pure hate and evil as YOUR bible shows. Do you really want to use the Free Will argument? No you don't unless you believe in hate and evil wins every single time. OK so be it. You show me or anyone where in the bible, anywhere that YOUR christian god says something to the effect of "I the LORD thy god grants man free will." The fact of the matter is, is that it doesn't exist. Not anywhere. So in fact your god does NOT grant you Free Will of any kind. Period. But in truth, I hope you find it because then that would mean that YOUR bible hypocritically contradicts itself YET AGAIN for the thousandth time or so with all of its inconsistencies, because there so many verses that prove that god does not, by any means, grant Free Will. Now here"s some vidies that proves that YOUR god in no possible way grants man free will. PAY CLOSE ATTENTION. http://www.youtube.com... - Video 1. All Knowing god verses Free Will: The Greatest Religious Contradiction http://www.youtube.com... - Video 2. Free Will With god http://www.youtube.com... - Video 3. god Favors Evil http://www.youtube.com... - Video 4. god allows Free Will? Tracie Harris: "Your question was regarding free will as an argument for allowing suffering. That's when you get into the problem of evil. Now the problem of evil as we all know is not an argument that demonstrates that no god exists or that god exists. What it demonstrates is that god is your god is an a$$. What she's telling you is she believes in a god, and I assume she worships this god? Its like is she 'happy' about her god?" Caller: "Oh oh yeah everything except for the old testament." Tracie "In other words what she is saying is 'I love this god who believes that the free will of the rapist is more important than the free will of the child being raped. That I think that its worth it to have a child be raped because I really really put a high value on a rapist's free will."" "When she dies does she get to go to heaven? If she gets to go to heaven will she be happy? And she"ll probably say "yes". And you say "Will you be able to choose and do anything you want while you are in heaven?" And she"ll say "yes." And so you are basically saying "you"ll have free will in heaven?" So you have free will in heaven and no one is being hurt, raped, so you can do anything you want and no one gets hurt. If god has that power in heaven, he must have that power on earth. So he"s chose not to set that condition/ toggle switch which means he"s a dick." Phil Ferguson "Could god have made the world and not suffering? And if they say "no" then he"s not all powerful. If they say "yes", then why didn"t he? Its a constant thing. There"s multiple ways to come at it." Phil Ferguson So you see, there's no good "reason" for Free Will IF you believe in YOUR god. We as atheists happen to not believe in YOUR god, so we have free will and it happens to be very good and we follow our hearts for the most part. But that's not what this is about. So let's move on and get to the heart of the matter. "It ACTUALLY DOES explain the unexplainable." Well that's 100% false because not one god from any religion has been proven to e true. Not one. "Some people that believe in God make some wrong decisions. They're called sins." Atheists don't sin because we do not believe in your god. And you really don't sin according to your bible either because it really is quite confusing as it cancels itself out. Does every man sin? Yes. There is no man who does not sin (I Kings 8:46; see also 2 Chronicles 6:36; Proverbs 20:9; Ecclesiastes 7:20; and I John 1:810) No. True Christians cannot possibly sin, because they are the children of God. Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ is a child of God.. (I John 5:1). We should be called children of God; and so we are (I John 3: 1). He who loves is born of God (I John 4:7). No one born of God commits sin; for Gods nature abides in him, and he cannot sin because he is born of God (I John 3:9). But, then again, Yes! If we say we have no sin we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us (I John 1:8) Sin? Lets use Homosexuality as an example as christians call it a sin? Really? According to what? The bible doesn"t say anywhere in the bible that its a "sin". Try harder. Nor does the bible say anything at all against gay marriages. And the words "gay" and "homosexual were not inserted into your bible until 1946. So try harder. The biggest sin is to go against god. Now if god were in the slightest bit genuine, in which we all know better that he's not, he---couldn't---care---less. Its like you using a bad word when you were young and your mother washing your mouth out with soap. Big whoop. But god has this frail fragile thing called an "ego" which is sandblasted all across the bible which means he's imperfect. And since he's imperfect it means he should not be bowed down to nor idolized, nor worshiped. But the biggest sin there could possibly be - ever - of all time..................... since I will not believe in god, I am going to be denied a place in heaven by that simple little gesture. Well goodie for me, all the more reason for me to - never - believe in the monstrosity that is YOUR god, not mine. What value do you place on sin, or if its not your view, it"s the bible"s. Let"s look at some examples... On a 1 to 10 scale... *Homosexuality which has never done you any harm to you must = a 10 *no other gods before me must also = a 10 *shall not make for yourself a graven image must also = a 10 *take the name of the lord your god in vain must also = a 10 *remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy must also = a 10 *god ensues slavery and the beating of slaves so that must = a 10 *god loves raped women so that must = a 10 *god can justify his many genocides which would mean the killing of innocent babies, children and pregnant mothers which is extremely, excessively, unreasonably, and is foolishly contradictory and hypocritical = a 10 *god knowingly hates children = a 10 Raping, beating and torturing a child must = a 1 because children do not have a voice in the bible, to SCREAM. They get to say nothing. Their mouths are glued shut. The abuser who is raping, beating and torturing a child must also = a 1 because there's no relevance into doing harm to a child in the bible. In no way does god believe harmony, love, care for each other because otherwise peace would have already been achieved = a 1 If you do not see the horrific details behind YOUR religion, god and bible, and its fatalistic flaws and how valueless they are, then you are completely gone into another non existent universe. But then again, you like the typical christian, have probably not even picked up your bible and read past page 1 Matt Dillahunty "What is sin and why should I care about it? (That"s a very good question.) I don"t give a damn about sin. And that"s because I am not stupid enough nor ignorant enough to believe in a selfish self centered god so I have to look over my should every second of every day and worry about something that is completely meaningless such as sin) I understand why I should live an ethical life and treating people in certain ways, we have secular foundations for moral systems. But sin from the christian perspective is a crime against god or god"s nature itself - right? If god makes the rules and you violate it, that"s a sin. Well what if god makes a rule that you should kill your child, does that make it good? Caller " Yeah that"s where I do things that are not aligned in what the bible says." Matt "Yeah. But are they good things? Do you have good reasons to have that the things you are doing are not immoral? Like do you have an example? Like don"t confess to a crime or anything. For example the bible is opposed to homosexuality. Do you think there"s something immoral about those who are homosexuals?" Caller "Uh there"s none that I can think of." Matt "Yeah me neither. And so if the bible"s opposed to it add the bible is the word of god, and the Koran is opposed to it as well and the Koran is supposed to be the word of god as well, and there are two holy books and let them argue over who god is and what god thinks and until they can come up with a sound secular justification for homosexualiy being immoral then I don"t need to pay their views any money because its just an opinion at that point." "It's all just a test." Pathetic. If god is god, he already knows what the outcome is long before that test is taken. So-what's-the-point? It doesn't solve anything. "teach us lessons" Um nope. Especially no to a child who's daddy as an example is punching his daughter age 4 in the face and sticking you know what inside of her sometimes twice per week for 15 years. There's no lesson a child can possibly -ever- learn from suffering and pain. That includes you. "You think God would do that intentionally?" Of course, otherwise he would 100% put a stop to it. Nah. He LOVES it. God doesn't make mistakes," Oh really? The entire RD1 proves he does. "God has done what God has done for reasons you can't understand." Well gee, maybe you don't understand, and you cannot even prove he even exists! Wow. "Just don't forget God also created good." Oh and oh yeah this god of yours wiped it out with the great flood wiping out ALL LIFE - right? The perfect genocide. Saving 2 of each species doesn't count sorry. "If he wanted evil to take over, why would there be good?And what good was there under the OT? "Good can overthrow evil. Remember that." Yeah and we don't need a god to do it. Next round I'll give you a morality test