Affirmative Action

First, I'd like to apologize for getting racial quotas and affirmative action mixed up. However, note that affirmative action is not the same as the ignorance of race. It is still discrimination, but in reverse, which is still discrimination. "It would obviously be a good thing if qualified Latinos and African-Americans got a job at the man's business if they wouldn't have normally. " It would obviously be a bad thing if qualified Anglo-Americans didn't get a job at the man's business if they would have normally. Don't forget, there isn't just qualified and unqualified. Some people are more qualified than others. "First of all, the whites would not have lost jobs if they did not have them in the first place. " They would have more jobs. Which is the same argument that affirmative action makes. "It is a rather ignorant generalization to say those whites hate affirmative action and the Latino and the African-American. " If I lost my potential job because of affirmative action, I sure would. "Secondly, it's very irrational to hate someone just because they beat you out for a job. The Latino and the African-American would be qualified for the job if they were hired for affirmative action. " However, the white man may have been more qualified or equally qualified. It's still unfair to kill his chances because he's white. "A percentage is the only thing that would prove your claim. It does not. It does not equally rob majorities of their opportunities because it affects a much smaller portion of the majority. " By that logic, if I earned $100 and you earned nothing, I should give you $1 because it would only mean 1% to me and an infinite percentage to you. That logic does not work. Affirmative action gives jobs to minorities. Obviously, affirmative action does not create jobs. Therefore, it had to take these jobs from others. Those others are majorities. By simple arithmetic, for every job gained by a minority through affirmative action, a majority loses that job. "And you keep claiming that someone lost a job. That is just not true. In order for them to lose the job, they would have to have the job in the first place. " They lost the potential to get the job. They'd have gotten the job without affirmative action. Affirmative action robbed them of their job opportunities. "I've explained this already. If both candidates are qualified and the white candidate is slightly more qualified, the minority's account has to be taken into consideration. " The minority's account? "In a society in which all men are supposedly created equal, there is no reason that everyone shouldn't be given equal opportunity. " By that logic, job and university applications should be decided randomly by the entire public. That wouldn't make sense. "As reflected in the workplace and universities, blacks still haven't been given equal opportunity. " They have equal opportunity with equal qualifications. I question why women are even included in affirmative action. "This is simply your own view. Just because you would feel resentment toward affirmative action, that person, the minority group, and government, doesn't make your resentment rational. It doesn't make it righteous. In a diverse environment, a white male will obviously become more accepting and open to new cultures. " It is also a fallacy, according to Sowell in "Economic Facts and Fallacies," that racism disappears over time. It doesn't. Does resentment have to be rational to be real? According to Wikipedia, this resentment does in fact exist. "Secondly, you're failing to take into account the disadvantages the Hispanics and African-Americans have faced in life. Race and class still intersect. " However, they don't completely determine each other. Furthermore, all of these "disadvantages" were faced by their ancestors, not them. The idea that all blacks had a worse history than all whites is crazy. "I'm not going to dignify your hypothetical situation with a response until you can prove that it's realistic. " The Irish Potato Famine did in fact occur. There was discrimination against Irish. Blacks could be fairly successful in Northern United States before Martin Luther King, Jr. Why isn't it realistic? "Just being in the North didn't exclude African-Americans from discrimination. Being in the North didn't automatically give them equal opportunity. Also, you should back up your claim that most of the African-Americans benefiting from affirmative action came from the North. " Being white did not exclude the Irish from discrimination. Being white did not exclude Southern white farmers from suffering from hurricanes and droughts. Blacks were not the only ones to suffer hardships. "Affirmative action has demonstrated that it has not only helped minorities, but it has also helped women. " Affirmative action has demonstrated that it has not only hurt majorities, but it has also hurt men. By "robbed," I mean that they were robbed of the opportunity to have the job. Now, if you have two people with equal qualifications for a job, why should you assume that one had a harsher family history just because he's black? Whites suffer hardships, too, but apparently, nobody seems to care. The fact that they are equally qualified means that they are equally likely to have different past hardships. If a black man and a white man are both applying for jobs and have equal qualifications, then life has probably treated them equally well. If one was treated better, then it could have been the black man, and it could have been the white man. Why should the black man be favored in this situation? There is no proper response. So, for every individual who gains a job from affirmative action, there is an individual who couldn't get the job because of it. Affirmative action also causes resentment towards minorities from majorities. . http://en.wikipedia.org... "[Affirmative action] may increase racial tension and benefit the more privileged people within minority groups at the expense of the least fortunate within majority groups (such as lower-class whites). " Therefore, affirmative action is an overall negative policy, and should be abolished. Race shouldn't even be considered. Flip a coin.