Abortion, (from athiest perspective.)

My opponents example of fire use is a false dilemma. If one cannot use fire he/she must die? subsequently wouldn't all babies or children that cannot use fire must die? R1 - First one cannot discern what "adaptations" parents are going to pass onto their kids if your argument is parents who have kids have more to teach them that is obviously a given since parents who didn't have children cannot teach them anything; However you cannot base your argument on this because parents who don't choose to have children might be better equipped or might have more to teach their children than parents who do. As per your challenge many abortions in China and India happen because the baby is going to be a girl. Furthermore I have to ask how do you know that parents somehow cannot adapt to delivering their children? "They could adapt, and the child raised by them surely will pick up on some of that adaptation. The ones that have only there fearful reasons of there in-ability to handle delivering there child will spread nothing to the population, there offspring are dead and carry nothing to the rest of the population because they are no longer part of it." Why is it important to carry something to the population? And I have no Idea what your point is. R2 - My opponents only point here is to kill a child he still has not refuted my point on the fetus being alive and having it's own right to life like a small adult on life support should we take away his life support system because it belongs to the hospital? The law still charges murderers for killing a women and her child as two separate entity's. PotentialR - Well I don't see how another Hitler or jack the ripper could hurt the world after all you're saying overpopulation. Why does it matter how someone dies? Even if all the children born spread hatred, ignorance and suffering into the world I would be fine with that everyone should have a chance at life. Furthermore I must say that my opponent concedes to the argument about babies having the potential to adding good to the world. If a child does grow up to kill millions isn't that good using my opponents logic? I mean overpopulation is going up right? I assume my opponent would be all over this letting millions die to decrease population. My opponent says it's to early to make anything of the potential future actions of a fetus because it's too early, but that's just it it's too early to tell you don't know what a baby might grow up to be I'm fine with whatever they grow up to be just as long as they have a chance to grow up. If a child grows up to be the next Einstein great if a child grows up to kill people even better he/she is contributing to decreasing population. My opponent concedes that born children make up the next generation how about he gives them a chance to live? My opponent has advocated that all children that are able to die at an early age must. My opponent essentially killed our future already. Also might I say my opponent contradicts himself first he argues too early, that people with faces (don't understand the 'faces' part) have a history and so their potential can be measured, then he says "there potential will fulfill the needs of the world we are worried about losing in the aborted babies. He essentially dismissed a babies potential then said not to worry we have a babies potential. I'm not saying there is a god I'm saying it's only logical to let all children be born because of what they might do this isn't a special reason it's a logical one that factors in the risks of what they might do to what they might be able to do. Also our population as a whole has been trending up like a J to only place it dips is the bubonic plague. Many diseases kill millions of people like lower respiratory infections kill 4 million people, HIV kills 5 million, malaria 3 million, Diarrhea kills 2.2 million, tuberculosis another 2, measles half million. There are still many incurable diseases like Ebola, polio, lupus Erythematosus, influenza, Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease, diabetes, asthma, cancer, and my favorite the common cold. My opponent says that it is inhumane and barbaric that someone die by famine and war than it is to die by abortion since my opponent has not refuted that fetuses can feel we will be under the assumption that they can. First let me say who cares how someone dies why is a death by abortion preferable to one of famine the end result is still death isn't that what my opponent wants for the population to be reduced? I assume war and famine would be great but unfortunately that to inhumane and barbaric. Second let me say that a baby's death is even more barbaric and inhumane since now we have switched to morality a doctor has several choices depending on what stage the babies is in there's the scraping one where the doctor then you know sucks the remains down a tube there's the quick one where if it's small enough you just have to literally suck it out with an awesome tube. There's also the one where the doctor stabs the baby in the head then sucks his brains out. And another thing and unborn is much preferable to old people they're going to die soon what can they contribute to the world and why is contribution to the world important? It is very logical for an unborn to take your place. My opponent has made a Machiavellian/utilitarian argument where the end justifies the means and that this end is for the greater good. However my opponent has failed to explain why it is necessary to provide for the greater good and how killing children promotes good. just to restate. Adoption is a better alternative as my opponent has said the parents who receive the child will teach their child what they know and ultimately be of better use then old people have. and a baby can feel and dream therefore they can think. 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