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| Attending                                   |                                        |
|---------------------------------------------|----------------------------------------|
| Gregor McGill (Co-chair), Crown Prosecution |                                        |
| Service                                     |                                        |
| Nikki Holland, National Crime Agency        |                                        |
| Nick Ephgrave (Co-chair), Surrey police     | Brendan Foreman, National Crime Agency |

Kate Anderson, Crown Prosecution Service Richard Atkinson, Criminal Law Committee 

Yin Jones, Crown Prosecution Service 
Ian Kelcey, Law Society  

Stu Prior, Nottingham police  
Mark Paulson, Law Society Anthony Hill, Attorney General's Office Kerry Hudson, LCCSA 
Purnima Uppal, Attorney General's Office Nick Sharp, HMRC 
Mary Aspinall-Miles, Criminal Bar Association Dominic Alexander, HMRC 

| David Tucker, College of Policing                  |
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| Northern Ireland                                   |
| Mark Hamilton, Police Service for Northern Ireland |

District Judge Karim Ezzat, Chief Magistrates office 

| John Cairncross, Home Office           |                                                  |
|----------------------------------------|--------------------------------------------------|
| Matthew Grist, Ministry of Justice     | Asia Schuler - note taker                        |
| Apologies                              |                                                  |
| Daniel Bonich, CLSA                    | Alyson Sprawson, Senior Presiding Judge's office |
| Sarah Pritchard, National Crime Agency | Allison Hunter QC, Criminal Bar Association      |
| Joanna Fiddian, HMCTS                  | Richard Atkins QC, Bar Council                   |
| Richard Chown, Ministry of Justice     |                                                  |

## 1.  Welcome And Introductions

 
1.1  The co-chairs welcomed members and guests from HMRC and Northern Ireland.  Apologies 
were received from members who were not able to attend. 
 

## 2.    Minutes And Actions

 
2.1  
The Minutes from the last Forum were agreed.  All actions had been completed. 
 

## 3. **Guidance On Reasonable Lines Of Enquiry And Digital Data**

 
3.1 Two documents were discussed.   
- 
A Guide to 'Reasonable Lines of Enquiry',  a draft guidance for prosecutors on their 
duties under the CPIA. 
- 
Advice on Communications Evidence, which had been finalised and circulated to 
prosecutors at the start of the year. 
Once "A Guide to 'Reasonable Lines of Enquiry'" was finalised the two documents should be read in conjunction.  The Forum agreed that the draft guidance was useful in setting out the stages of device interrogation. 

 

3.2 It was confirmed that the AGO review would be considering whether the CPIA remained fit 
for purpose.   
3.3 The Forum took the view that earlier engagement between police and defence was required 
pre-charge and would assist officers in following reasonable lines of enquiry post interview 
and pre-charge.  It was decided that the issue should be progressed outside the Forum by 
discussion between police and Criminal Law Committee representatives. 
 

## 4. Training

4.1 The NCA has revised the Advanced Disclosure Course.  The Course has a pass/fail test at the 
end.  A CPS prosecutor attended a pilot of the Course and provided positive feedback.  The final training package is expected to be ready by the end of June.   The NCA were happy to share the package for others to adapt for use with their own organisations.   
 
4.2 There was an update on training developed by the College of Policing, launched on 23 April 
2018 as part of NDIP.  The College of Policing have embarked on training three tiers of Champions within each force, with the focus on maintaining the relevance of training. 
 

## 5. Aob

 
5.1 There was a discussion on retrieving data from complainants' electronic devices with their 
consent and on the boundaries of interception when retrieving data stored on "the cloud." It was noted that there was a lack of consistency amongst police forces in defining and 
recording consent.  The topic will return to the Forum once work on it has progressed. 
5.2 The DMD pilot is expected to be extended from its original end date in June in order to get 
more meaningful results.