## Summary Note - Meeting Of Responsibilities Working Group



Title:    
Responsibilities Working Group Date:   
Tuesday 3 May 2016 
Venue:  
Local Government House, Smith Square, London, SW1P 3HZ 
 

## Attendance

An attendance list is attached as **Annex A** to this note. 

## 1. Welcome And Introductions

 
1.1 The Chair welcomed attendees to the inaugural meeting of the 
Responsibilities Working Group, one of three working groups (alongside those on needs and redistribution and on system design) that will inform development of the policy on the 100% rates retention reform. All of the working groups would sit under the umbrella of the Steering Group. 
1.2 The government is keen for the sector to feed in a clear set of ideas on how 
this reform should go ahead.  The purpose of this group will be to provide advice to the steering group on the devolution of responsibilities that should accompany the reforms.  A round of introductions followed. 
 

## 2. Terms Of Reference (Rwg1/01)

 
2.1 The Chair asked attendees for their comments on the proposed draft Terms of 
Reference. 
2.2 The following points were made in discussion: 
 
The group agreed that its role is to develop options for the devolution of responsibilities and funding and provide advice to the steering group on a package or packages for devolution. 
 
There was agreement that the group's purpose is to develop options for the devolution of responsibilities and funding, and to provide advice on a package or packages that should be devolved to local government in implementing 100% rates retention.   
 
The group's Terms of Reference should reflect the need to consider 'future proofing' in our work, and to be clearer about the outputs from our group 
 
The group recognised that membership may need to change over time as the reforms move from initial policy development to detailed consideration of implementation of responsibilities.  At later stages the group may wish to invite subject matter experts to join the group, or to revisit group 
membership to ensure the right expertise is around the table. 
 
Minor drafting amendments to the text were agreed to reflect comments about future proofing in our work, and to be clearer about our outputs. 
 
2.3 An updated terms of reference will be circulated ahead of the next working 
group meeting.  
 

## 3. Criteria For Devolution (Rwg/02)

 
3.1 The group considered a paper seeking views on draft criteria to guide 
considerations about what should be devolved.  The group agreed it would be useful to develop and use such criteria and made the following points in discussion: 
 
Criteria should be used as guiding principles, not an absolute test. 
 
Potential candidates for devolution would not be expected to meet all of 
the criteria. 
 
The criteria should clearly distinguish two sets of considerations: whether activities currently funded by existing grants to local government should be 
funded in future from retained business rates, and those about new responsibilities for local government. 
 
It is difficult at this stage to accurately capture all of the relevant considerations and develop a correct set of criteria. We should not therefore, limit our consideration to these criteria alone, nor should they be set in stone.   
 
The criteria should be kept under review, reflecting the difficulty mentioned above, and should be amended if other relevant considerations are identified. 
3.2 The criteria will be refined to reflect the points made above, as well as several 
minor drafting changes suggested, then circulated for consideration at the next meeting. 

## 4. Quantum (Rwg1/03)

4.1 Jonathan Dallaston took the group through an early draft of a paper to the 
Steering Group about the potential quantum of business rates that would be available at implementation.  In order for the reforms to be fiscally neutral, this amount would need to be accompanied by the phasing out of grants or devolution of new responsibilities to local government as set out in the 
Government's announcement. 
4.2 The group recognised that the uncertainty of business rates forecasts,  
alongside choices being considered by other working groups (e.g. system design), will impact on the quantum of business rates available at implementation. We will want to keep in close touch with decisions taken by other working groups in the programme to understand the impact on the quantum - particularly the systems design group. Papers for all working groups will be published on line, therefore if group members felt there are issues being discussed in another group that impact on this group it could be 
raised in the meetings. 
 
4.3 In the light of this uncertainty it was agreed that our approach to identifying 
candidates for devolution should not aim to reach a specific target number, 
but that we should instead identify a 'menu' of potential candidates for 
devolution on which the Government should consult.  That 'menu' should total in excess of the upper range of the forecast on 2020 quantum which will give flexibility to accommodate the inevitable fluctuations in the figure between 
now and implementation.   
 
4.4 The group agreed to a standing agenda item on quantum at each of our 
meetings to ensure we are working within the latest range. 

## 5. Potential Candidates (Rwg1/04)

5.1 The group considered an initial list of all the ideas that had been received 
either by LGA or DCLG so far for consideration.  The list held no particular status, nor had any consideration been given to individual items on the list. The Chair asked the group for views on whether there were issues not listed which should be considered, and for views on how we should tackle 
consideration of each issue. 
 
5.2 The group had a wide ranging initial discussion on the list and the wider 
considerations it raised, including the following points: 
 This should not be a mathematical exercise to reach a number, but instead 
should be the right fit for local government in terms of devolution.   
 Pressures on existing services should not be forgotten in considering new 
responsibilities. 
 Funding distribution is an important issue.  For each funding stream there 
will need to be consideration of distribution and need. Similarly, the role of incentivises in the new system should be considered to ensure they do not conflict with appropriate with funding new responsibilities, at both national 
and local level 
 Subsequent discussions will need to bear in mind the diverse range of 
interests within the group - there may be different preferred solutions and consideration should be given to not putting pressure on particular 
authorities. 
 There should be transparency around what is being devolved, and 
flexibility at local level will be a key consideration.  
 Need to recognise lead in times when considering implementation. 
 
 The group requested additional background information on the central 
government grants included in the initial list, including departmental 
ownership and the activity funded. 
 
5.3 The group agreed to revisit the list of potential candidates at the next meeting. 
Papers for discussion will be circulated for the next meeting. 
 

## 6. Future Workplan And Aob

 
6.1 The group's terms of reference, including its role within business rates reform 
and relationship with other working groups, was discussed within the first two 
agenda items. 
 
6.2 The group agreed to meet again in May, following the Steering group, and 
continue consideration of potential candidates for devolution. Several members requested that a date be confirmed as soon as possible to assist in 
scheduling. 

## Annex A - Attendance List (3 May 2016)

| Member                                          | Organisation                                                 | Attendance                                                   |
|-------------------------------------------------|--------------------------------------------------------------|--------------------------------------------------------------|
| Bevis Ingram                                    | Local Government Association (LGA)                           | Present                                                      |
| Mark Johnson                                    | Local Government Association (LGA)                           | Present                                                      |
| Anthony May                                     | County Councils' Network (CCN)                               | Apologies                                                    |
| Allen Graham                                    | District Councils' Network (DCN)                             | Apologies                                                    |
| Barry Hastie                                    | Special Interest Group of Municipal Authorities (SIGOMA)     | Present                                                      |
| Present                                         | Leigh Whitehouse                                             | Association of Local Authority Treasurers' Societies (ALATS) |
| - SLT                                           |                                                              |                                                              |
| Present                                         | Nikki Bishop                                                 | Association of Local Authority Treasurers' Societies (ALATS) |
| - SMT                                           |                                                              |                                                              |
| Present                                         | Joanna Walker                                                | Association of Local Authority Treasurers' Societies (ALATS) |
| - SCT                                           |                                                              |                                                              |
| Present                                         | Steve Richardson                                             | Association of Local Authority Treasurers' Societies (ALATS) |
| - SDCT                                          |                                                              |                                                              |
| Alan Cross                                      | Sean Clark                                                   | Association of Local Authority Treasurers' Societies (ALATS) |
| - SUT                                           |                                                              |                                                              |
| Joanne Pitt                                     | Chartered Institute of Public Finance and Accounting (CIPFA) | Present                                                      |
| Alistair Townsend                               | Institute of Revenues Rating and Valuation (IRRV)            | Present                                                      |
| Jeremy Skinner                                  | Greater London Authority                                     | Present                                                      |
| Paul Honeyben                                   | London Councils                                              | Present                                                      |
| Victoria Jones                                  | Department for Communities and Local Government              | Present                                                      |
| Richard Enderby                                 | Department for Communities and Local Government              | Apologies                                                    |
| Department for Communities and Local Government | Present                                                      | Jonathan                                                     |
| Dallaston                                       |                                                              |                                                              |