## Attendees Gregor Mcgill (Co-Chair), Crown Prosecution Service Alyson Sprawson, Senior Presiding Judge Office

| Nick Ephgrave (Co-Chair), Surrey police       | Richard Chown, Ministry of Justice            |
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| Kate Anderson, Crown Prosecution Service      | Kerry Hudson, LCCSA                           |
| Yin Jones, Crown Prosecution Service          | Janet Arkinstall, Law Society                 |
| Purnima Uppal, Attorney General's Office      | Rodney Warren, Criminal Law Committee         |
| Anthony Hill, Attorney General's Office       | Nick Sharp, HMRC                              |
| Stella Curran, Home Office                    |                                               |
| Jeremy Burton, Surrey police                  | Asia Schuler - note taker                     |
| Apologies                                     |                                               |
| Allison Hunter QC, Criminal Bar Association   | Matthew Grist, Ministry of Justice            |
| Sarah Pritchard, National Crime Agency        | Daniel Bonich, CLSA                           |
| Joanna Fiddian, HMCTS                         | David Tucker, College of Policing             |
| Richard Atkinson, Criminal Law Committee      | Ian Kelcey, Law Society                       |
| Brendan Foreman, National Crime Agency        | District Judge Karim Ezzat, Chief Magistrates |
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| Richard Atkins QC, Bar Council                | Martin Huxley, National Crime Agency          |
| Mary Aspinall-Miles, Criminal Bar Association |                                               |

## 1. Welcomes And Introductions The Co-Chairs, Gregor Mcgill, Director Of Legal Services And Chief Constable Nick Ephgrave Welcomed Members To The Second National Disclosure Forum. The Forum In Turn Introduced Themselves And The Agency/Department They Were Representing. 2. Minutes And Actions The Forum Discussed The Minutes And Members Provided Action Updates. The Cps Confirmed They Are Content To Share Their Current Disclosure Elearning Training Material. The Minutes Were Agreed. 3. Update From Ndip Disclosure Board And Upcoming Disclosure Seminar

Gregor McGill reminded the Forum of the upcoming Disclosure Seminar on Wednesday 19 September. The Seminar was a follow up to the one held in January and would look back at what has been achieved through NDIP since. Gregor McGill and CC Nick Ephgrave are on the Seminar agenda to discuss the NDIP National Disclosure Forum as they saw it as a positive way to raise and resolve issues collaboratively and something that could be replicated locally. Both welcomed views from the members on the group. The Forum echoed their positive opinions on the Forum and wished for it to continue. 

 
It was noted NDIP Phase 2 would focus on national work being delivered at a local level and this Forum would be a way to achieve deliverables. CC Nick Ephgrave provided a brief update on developments of NDIP Phase 2. It was acknowledged NDIP 1 was created to reactive to the disclosure issues then and looked at providing results quickly. Out of the 42 actions, 41 are complete with the final action not yet reaching its deadline. The Forum will be shared a copy of NDIP Phase 2 when published. It was anticipated publication would take place following the AG's review. 

4. Updates on AGO review 

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Anthony Hill informed the Forum of the background to the AG's review on disclosure which was due to be published later this year. It was not expected there would be wholesale changes to the previous draft shared. The review would still focus on practical solutions and adopting a more coordinated approach to disclosure.  

## 5. Digital Caselines System

The Forum discussed the use of DCS which currently has no unused material tab. Development will commence to create an unused material tab which will be a useful space to log requests. At previous meetings the Forum discussed the issue of the communications log being limited to only prosecutors being able to update this. The Forum explored how the unused material tab could work, and acknowledge previous pleas not to create a new system that could potentially be too burdensome. Once initial enquiries are made it was agreed the defence and judiciary would be engaged. Alyson Sprawson agreed to assist in sharing proposals with the judiciary. 

6. Magistrates' court disclosure  

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It had been acknowledged the Criminal Bar Association (CBA) has recently schedule a working group to look at Magistrates' court disclosure. The CBA were not able to attend the Forum and it was agreed this topic would be added to the next agenda as members wished to hear updates and contribute. 

7. AOB An issue was raised with disclosure and a Police force. The CPS agreed they could follow this up with relevant Area to check if they had experienced disclosure related issues too. Nick Ephgrave informed the Forum of the new app allowing police to read guidelines, charging advice and other material on their phones. The app is currently at the prototype stage but is already appearing positive at how quickly it can deal with the volume of electronic material. The Forum asked that during development it should be considered if the defence can have access to search history on the app as it would be of interest. Meeting closed.