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Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 16:17:43 -0700
From: "Ashley Perkins" <ashleyanneperkins@gmail.com>
Subject: creating lakes

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Hello,

I am a new BASINS and HSPF user and am looking for guidance on how to
introduce lakes into my model.  I have tried the following methods: Burning
to lake polylines during automatic watershed delineation, using lake
polygons as my only landuse type, introducing inlets and outlets at the lake
locations, and calibrating the appropriate HSPF reaches table entries to
include lakes (LKFG=1).

Can you provide any further advice?

Thank you,
Ashley Perkins

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<div>Hello,</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>I am a new BASINS and HSPF user and am looking for guidance on how to 
introduce lakes into my model.&nbsp; I have tried the following methods: 
Burning to lake polylines during automatic watershed delineation, using lake 
polygons as my only landuse type, introducing inlets and outlets at the lake 
locations, and calibrating the appropriate HSPF reaches table entries to 
include lakes (LKFG=1).</div>

<div><br>Can you provide any further advice?<br>&nbsp;<br>Thank you,<br>Ashley 
Perkins</div>

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Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 12:05:02 +0200
From: Emma Radahl <emma_1982@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: creating lakes

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I would like to tag on a question to this; if there are small lake areas wi=
thin the subwatersheds, not in contact with the reach network (that is, not=
 connected when looking at the surface), is the way to deal with those simp=
ly to introduce a land use category called "water" and use the high water t=
able equations in HSPF for those areas?

Emma

Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 16:17:43 -0700
From: ashleyanneperkins@gmail.com
To: basinsinfo@lists.epa.gov
Subject: [basinsinfo] creating lakes

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s, and calibrating the appropriate HSPF reaches table entries to include la=
kes (LKFG=3D1).

Can you provide any further advice?
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introduce lakes into my model.&nbsp; I have tried the following methods: Bu=
rning to lake polylines during automatic watershed delineation, using lake =
polygons as my only landuse type, introducing inlets and outlets at the lak=
e locations, and calibrating the appropriate HSPF reaches table entries to =
include lakes (LKFG=3D1).</div>

<div><br>Can you provide any further advice?<br>&nbsp;<br>Thank you,<br>Ash=
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Greetings Basinners

 

This is my first post and what I know about BASINS you can put in your eye
and it will not water.  However, I would submit that even hillside or even
dugout ponds have connectivity.  They all overflow in flood and either have
designed, or natural spillways/outlets that release surface runoff.  Does
that alter the context any?

 

jd 

 

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Subject: RE: [basinsinfo] creating lakes

 

I would like to tag on a question to this; if there are small lake areas
within the subwatersheds, not in contact with the reach network (that is,
not connected when looking at the surface), is the way to deal with those
simply to introduce a land use category called "water" and use the high
water table equations in HSPF for those areas?

Emma

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Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 16:17:43 -0700
From: ashleyanneperkins@gmail.com
To: basinsinfo@lists.epa.gov
Subject: [basinsinfo] creating lakes

Hello,

 

I am a new BASINS and HSPF user and am looking for guidance on how to
introduce lakes into my model.  I have tried the following methods: Burning
to lake polylines during automatic watershed delineation, using lake
polygons as my only landuse type, introducing inlets and outlets at the lake
locations, and calibrating the appropriate HSPF reaches table entries to
include lakes (LKFG=1).

Can you provide any further advice?
 
Thank you,
Ashley Perkins

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about BASINS you can put in your eye and it will not water.&nbsp; =
However, I would
submit that even hillside or even dugout ponds have connectivity.&nbsp; =
They all
overflow in flood and either have designed, or natural spillways/outlets =
that
release surface runoff.&nbsp; Does that alter the context =
any?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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to this; if there are small lake areas within the subwatersheds, not in =
contact
with the reach network (that is, not connected when looking at the =
surface), is
the way to deal with those simply to introduce a land use category =
called
&quot;water&quot; and use the high water table equations in HSPF for =
those
areas?<br>
<br>
Emma<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
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guidance
on how to introduce lakes into my model.&nbsp; I have tried the =
following
methods: Burning to lake polylines during automatic watershed =
delineation,
using lake polygons as my only landuse type, introducing inlets and =
outlets at
the lake locations, and calibrating the appropriate HSPF reaches table =
entries
to include lakes (LKFG=3D1).<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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Can you provide any further advice?<br>
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Thank you,<br>
Ashley Perkins<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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=0AHi, =0A=0A =0A=0AI'm interested in the response to the question of appli=
cation of high water table equations, . . . In general, my OPINION is that =
it is a matter of time step.  If your time series time step is a small enou=
gh resolution where the effort it takes to model those lakes will measurabl=
y affect the time series (meaning that you see attenuation of the time seri=
es due to the outlet conditions), it might make a difference.  However if y=
our lake is small and your time step is in hours, then modelling the lake s=
eems to be moot.  The resolution really isn't large enough to attenuate the=
 time series. =0A=0A =0A=0AThe other consideration is the infiltrative capa=
city of the lakes.  Clearly if the lake are on silt, and infitration is min=
imal, then water balance into and out of the lake is fairly straightforward=
. If the lake is on gravel (the other extreme) then it becomes a sink hole =
and the mass balance is complicated, especially if it is a large lake, or a=
 large area drains into it.  Presumably, one can deal with some of it by de=
fining proper land usage (PERLND) but realistically, one would probably nee=
d to model it as a pond to get the volume of water out of the surface runof=
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not water.  However, I would submit that even hillside or even dugout ponds=
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<font face=3D"arial" size=3D"2"><DIV>Hi, </DIV>=0A<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>=0A<DIV>=
I'm interested in the response to the question of application of high water=
 table equations, . . . In general, my OPINION is that it is a matter of ti=
me step.&nbsp; If your time series time step is a small enough resolution w=
here the effort it takes to model those lakes will measurably affect the ti=
me series (meaning that you see attenuation of the time series due to the o=
utlet conditions), it might make a difference.&nbsp; However if your lake i=
s small and your time step is in hours, then modelling the lake seems to be=
 moot.&nbsp; The resolution really isn't large enough to attenuate the time=
 series.&nbsp;</DIV>=0A<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>=0A<DIV>The other consideration is =
the infiltrative capacity of the lakes.&nbsp; Clearly if the lake are on si=
lt, and infitration is minimal, then water balance into and out of the lake=
 is fairly straightforward. If the lake is on gravel (the other extreme) th=
en it becomes&nbsp;a sink hole and the mass balance is complicated, especia=
lly if it is a large lake, or a large area drains into it. &nbsp;Presumably=
, one can deal with some of it by defining proper land usage (PERLND) but r=
ealistically, one would probably need to model it as a pond to get the volu=
me of water out of the surface runoff category and into to one of the subsu=
rface categories.&nbsp; IMHO.<BR></DIV>=0A<DIV>Lenny<BR><BR>-----Original M=
essage-----<BR>From: "Jay D. Davis" &lt;jdd@uiuc.edu&gt;<BR>Sent: Friday, M=
ay 2, 2008 9:39am<BR>To: Private list for BASINS users &lt;basinsinfo@lists=
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lass=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FO=
NT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">This is my first post and w=
hat I know about BASINS you can put in your eye and it will not water.&nbsp=
; However, I would submit that even hillside or even dugout ponds have conn=
ectivity.&nbsp; They all overflow in flood and either have designed, or nat=
ural spillways/outlets that release surface runoff.&nbsp; Does that alter t=
he context any?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>=0A<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT f=
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oNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
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<SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">Fro=
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10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> Emma Radahl [mailto:emma_1982@hotmail.com] <BR>=
<B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Friday, May 02, 2008 =
5:05 AM<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> Private list=
 for BASINS users<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></=
B> RE: [basinsinfo] creating lakes</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>=0A<P =
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tyle=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FO=
NT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">I would like to tag on a question to th=
is; if there are small lake areas within the subwatersheds, not in contact =
with the reach network (that is, not connected when looking at the surface)=
, is the way to deal with those simply to introduce a land use category cal=
led "water" and use the high water table equations in HSPF for those areas?=
<BR><BR>Emma<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>=0A<DIV class=3DMsoNormal style=3D=
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anneperkins@gmail.com<BR>To: basinsinfo@lists.epa.gov<BR>Subject: [basinsin=
fo] creating lakes<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>=0A<DIV>=0A<P class=3DMsoNor=
mal><FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMIL=
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soNormal><FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-=
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s=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; =
FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">I am a new BASINS and HSPF user and am looking for gui=
dance on how to introduce lakes into my model.&nbsp; I have tried the follo=
wing methods: Burning to lake polylines during automatic watershed delineat=
ion, using lake polygons as my only landuse type, introducing inlets and ou=
tlets at the lake locations, and calibrating the appropriate HSPF reaches t=
able entries to include lakes (LKFG=3D1).<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV=
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That's a good point, Jay - any lake will eventually spill somewhere if
the stage rises high enough, though this may not happen in practical
terms if the invert is too high.  (The Great Salt Lake would spill over
the Rockies or the Sierras eventually, but I don't think that will ever
happen!)=20

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Emma:

Using the HWT algorithm would allow you to have PERLND hold surface
water without running off, but so would a plain RCHRES - it's a matter
of how you route the flow.  Does the isolated lake provide recharge that
contributes to baseflow downstream?  Does it capture only surface
runoff, or also local interflow and/or baseflow?  If it contributes
nothing, you can even simply remove the area from the model.  If you do
include it, I expect that setting up the HWT algorithm is a lot more
work than setting up a RCHRES instead, for possibly no extra benefit.
Finally, if it's small enough in terms of area and storage, you could
also simply lump it in with a Wetland category if you have one, and
assume that the effect on the calibrated parameter set will be
negligible.

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St Johns River Water Management District

tjobes@sjrwmd.com

W: 386-328-4463

C: 386-937-6341

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Greetings Basinners

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This is my first post and what I know about BASINS you can put in your
eye and it will not water.  However, I would submit that even hillside
or even dugout ponds have connectivity.  They all overflow in flood and
either have designed, or natural spillways/outlets that release surface
runoff.  Does that alter the context any?

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I would like to tag on a question to this; if there are small lake areas
within the subwatersheds, not in contact with the reach network (that
is, not connected when looking at the surface), is the way to deal with
those simply to introduce a land use category called "water" and use the
high water table equations in HSPF for those areas?

Emma

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Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 16:17:43 -0700
From: ashleyanneperkins@gmail.com
To: basinsinfo@lists.epa.gov
Subject: [basinsinfo] creating lakes

Hello,

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I am a new BASINS and HSPF user and am looking for guidance on how to
introduce lakes into my model.  I have tried the following methods:
Burning to lake polylines during automatic watershed delineation, using
lake polygons as my only landuse type, introducing inlets and outlets at
the lake locations, and calibrating the appropriate HSPF reaches table
entries to include lakes (LKFG=3D1).

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>That&#8217;s a good point, Jay &#8211; any lake will =
eventually
spill somewhere if the stage rises high enough, though this may not =
happen in
practical terms if the invert is too high.&nbsp; (The Great Salt Lake =
would
spill over the Rockies or the Sierras eventually, but I don&#8217;t =
think that
will ever happen!) </span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Emma:</span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Using the HWT algorithm would allow you to have PERLND =
hold
surface water without running off, but so would a plain RCHRES &#8211; =
it&#8217;s
a matter of how you route the flow.&nbsp; Does the isolated lake provide
recharge that contributes to baseflow downstream?&nbsp; Does it capture =
only
surface runoff, or also local interflow and/or baseflow?&nbsp; If it
contributes nothing, you can even simply remove the area from the =
model.&nbsp;
If you do include it, I expect that setting up the HWT algorithm is a =
lot more
work than setting up a RCHRES instead, for possibly no extra =
benefit.&nbsp; Finally,
if it&#8217;s small enough in terms of area and storage, you could also =
simply
lump it in with a Wetland category if you have one, and assume that the =
effect on
the calibrated parameter set will be negligible.</span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span></p>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:#244236'>Tom
Jobes</span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:#244236'>St
Johns River Water Management District</span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:#244236'>tjobes@sjrwmd.com</=
span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:#244236'>W:
386-328-4463</span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:#244236'>C:
386-937-6341</span></p>

</div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span></p>

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0in 0in 0in'>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
Jay D. Davis
[mailto:jdd@uiuc.edu] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, May 02, 2008 9:39 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Private list for BASINS users<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [basinsinfo] creating lakes</span></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;</p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>Greetings Basinners</span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>&nbsp;</span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>This is my first post and what I know about BASINS you can =
put in
your eye and it will not water.&nbsp; However, I would submit that even
hillside or even dugout ponds have connectivity.&nbsp; They all overflow =
in
flood and either have designed, or natural spillways/outlets that =
release
surface runoff.&nbsp; Does that alter the context any?</span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>&nbsp;</span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>jd </span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>&nbsp;</span></p>

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Emma Radahl
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reach network (that is, not connected when looking at the surface), is =
the way
to deal with those simply to introduce a land use category called
&quot;water&quot; and use the high water table equations in HSPF for =
those areas?<br>
<br>
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introduce
lakes into my model.&nbsp; I have tried the following methods: Burning =
to lake
polylines during automatic watershed delineation, using lake polygons as =
my
only landuse type, introducing inlets and outlets at the lake locations, =
and
calibrating the appropriate HSPF reaches table entries to include lakes
(LKFG=3D1).</span></p>

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Thanks for a good answer. I suppose I could lump it with a wetland category=
; I think this is what is done in the tutorial examples for HSPF (a wetland=
/water category).=20
Can I have a RCHRES not in contact with the rest of the network then? (If t=
he lake/pond isn't in direct open water contact with the stream network) An=
d just define that x % of landuse A and y % of landuse B drain to the pond?

/Emma

Subject: RE: [basinsinfo] creating lakes
Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 10:44:25 -0400
From: tjobes@sjrwmd.com
To: basinsinfo@lists.epa.gov

That=92s a good point, Jay =96 any lake will eventually
spill somewhere if the stage rises high enough, though this may not happen =
in
practical terms if the invert is too high.  (The Great Salt Lake would
spill over the Rockies or the Sierras eventually, but I don=92t think that
will ever happen!)=20

=20

Emma:

Using the HWT algorithm would allow you to have PERLND hold
surface water without running off, but so would a plain RCHRES =96 it=92s
a matter of how you route the flow.  Does the isolated lake provide
recharge that contributes to baseflow downstream?  Does it capture only
surface runoff, or also local interflow and/or baseflow?  If it
contributes nothing, you can even simply remove the area from the model.=20
If you do include it, I expect that setting up the HWT algorithm is a lot m=
ore
work than setting up a RCHRES instead, for possibly no extra benefit.  Fina=
lly,
if it=92s small enough in terms of area and storage, you could also simply
lump it in with a Wetland category if you have one, and assume that the eff=
ect on
the calibrated parameter set will be negligible.

=20

Tom
Jobes

St
Johns River Water Management District

tjobes@sjrwmd.com

W:
386-328-4463

C:
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Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 9:39 AM

To: Private list for BASINS users

Subject: RE: [basinsinfo] creating lakes

=20

Greetings Basinners

=20

This is my first post and what I know about BASINS you can put in
your eye and it will not water.  However, I would submit that even
hillside or even dugout ponds have connectivity.  They all overflow in
flood and either have designed, or natural spillways/outlets that release
surface runoff.  Does that alter the context any?

=20

jd=20

=20

From: Emma Radahl
[mailto:emma_1982@hotmail.com]=20

Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 5:05 AM

To: Private list for BASINS users

Subject: RE: [basinsinfo] creating lakes

=20

I would like to tag on a question to this;
if there are small lake areas within the subwatersheds, not in contact with=
 the
reach network (that is, not connected when looking at the surface), is the =
way
to deal with those simply to introduce a land use category called
"water" and use the high water table equations in HSPF for those areas?

Emma

Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 16:17:43 -0700

From: ashleyanneperkins@gmail.com

To: basinsinfo@lists.epa.gov

Subject: [basinsinfo] creating lakes

Hello,

=20

I
am a new BASINS and HSPF user and am looking for guidance on how to introdu=
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lakes into my model.  I have tried the following methods: Burning to lake
polylines during automatic watershed delineation, using lake polygons as my
only landuse type, introducing inlets and outlets at the lake locations, an=
d
calibrating the appropriate HSPF reaches table entries to include lakes
(LKFG=3D1).

Can you provide any further advice?

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the stream network) And just define that x % of landuse A and y % of landus=
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=96 any lake will eventually
spill somewhere if the stage rises high enough, though this may not happen =
in
practical terms if the invert is too high.&nbsp; (The Great Salt Lake would
spill over the Rockies or the Sierras eventually, but I don=92t think that
will ever happen!) </span></p>

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<p class=3D"EC_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: 'Cal=
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<p class=3D"EC_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: 'Cal=
ibri','sans-serif'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Using the HWT algorithm would=
 allow you to have PERLND hold
surface water without running off, but so would a plain RCHRES =96 it=92s
a matter of how you route the flow.&nbsp; Does the isolated lake provide
recharge that contributes to baseflow downstream?&nbsp; Does it capture onl=
y
surface runoff, or also local interflow and/or baseflow?&nbsp; If it
contributes nothing, you can even simply remove the area from the model.&nb=
sp;
If you do include it, I expect that setting up the HWT algorithm is a lot m=
ore
work than setting up a RCHRES instead, for possibly no extra benefit.&nbsp;=
 Finally,
if it=92s small enough in terms of area and storage, you could also simply
lump it in with a Wetland category if you have one, and assume that the eff=
ect on
the calibrated parameter set will be negligible.</span></p>

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Jobes</span></p>

<p class=3D"EC_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family: 'Cambria','serif'; co=
lor: rgb(36, 66, 54);">St
Johns River Water Management District</span></p>

<p class=3D"EC_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family: 'Cambria','serif'; co=
lor: rgb(36, 66, 54);">tjobes@sjrwmd.com</span></p>

<p class=3D"EC_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family: 'Cambria','serif'; co=
lor: rgb(36, 66, 54);">W:
386-328-4463</span></p>

<p class=3D"EC_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family: 'Cambria','serif'; co=
lor: rgb(36, 66, 54);">C:
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[mailto:jdd@uiuc.edu] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, May 02, 2008 9:39 AM<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> RE: [basinsinfo] creating lakes</span></p>

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<p class=3D"EC_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Ari=
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<p class=3D"EC_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Ari=
al','sans-serif'; color: navy;">This is my first post and what I know about=
 BASINS you can put in
your eye and it will not water.&nbsp; However, I would submit that even
hillside or even dugout ponds have connectivity.&nbsp; They all overflow in
flood and either have designed, or natural spillways/outlets that release
surface runoff.&nbsp; Does that alter the context any?</span></p>

<p class=3D"EC_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Ari=
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<p class=3D"EC_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Ari=
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[mailto:emma_1982@hotmail.com] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, May 02, 2008 5:05 AM<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> RE: [basinsinfo] creating lakes</span></p>

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<p class=3D"EC_MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom: 12pt;"><span style=3D"fon=
t-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif';">I would like to tag on a=
 question to this;
if there are small lake areas within the subwatersheds, not in contact with=
 the
reach network (that is, not connected when looking at the surface), is the =
way
to deal with those simply to introduce a land use category called
"water" and use the high water table equations in HSPF for those areas?<br>
<br>
Emma</span></p>

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From: ashleyanneperkins@gmail.com<br>
To: basinsinfo@lists.epa.gov<br>
Subject: [basinsinfo] creating lakes</span></p>

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<p class=3D"EC_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Tah=
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<div>

<p class=3D"EC_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Tah=
oma','sans-serif';">I
am a new BASINS and HSPF user and am looking for guidance on how to introdu=
ce
lakes into my model.&nbsp; I have tried the following methods: Burning to l=
ake
polylines during automatic watershed delineation, using lake polygons as my
only landuse type, introducing inlets and outlets at the lake locations, an=
d
calibrating the appropriate HSPF reaches table entries to include lakes
(LKFG=3D1).</span></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3D"EC_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Tah=
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Can you provide any further advice?<br>
&nbsp;<br>
Thank you,<br>
Ashley Perkins</span></p>

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Very bizarre example and there are others (eg. Dead Sea)  I have seen Salt
Lake "in flood" so to speak.  Very ugly mess. 

 

Emma 

 

Check out http://www.fws.gov/nwi/ .  There is a link to "Geographically
isolated wetlands".  You should find all the standardized wetlands
classification parameters somewhere from that starting point.

 

jd

 

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From: Emma Radahl [mailto:emma_1982@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 3:59 AM
To: Private list for BASINS users
Subject: RE: [basinsinfo] creating lakes

 

Thanks for a good answer. I suppose I could lump it with a wetland category;
I think this is what is done in the tutorial examples for HSPF (a
wetland/water category). 
Can I have a RCHRES not in contact with the rest of the network then? (If
the lake/pond isn't in direct open water contact with the stream network)
And just define that x % of landuse A and y % of landuse B drain to the
pond?

/Emma

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Subject: RE: [basinsinfo] creating lakes
Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 10:44:25 -0400
From: tjobes@sjrwmd.com
To: basinsinfo@lists.epa.gov

That's a good point, Jay - any lake will eventually spill somewhere if the
stage rises high enough, though this may not happen in practical terms if
the invert is too high.  (The Great Salt Lake would spill over the Rockies
or the Sierras eventually, but I don't think that will ever happen!) 

 

Emma:

Using the HWT algorithm would allow you to have PERLND hold surface water
without running off, but so would a plain RCHRES - it's a matter of how you
route the flow.  Does the isolated lake provide recharge that contributes to
baseflow downstream?  Does it capture only surface runoff, or also local
interflow and/or baseflow?  If it contributes nothing, you can even simply
remove the area from the model.  If you do include it, I expect that setting
up the HWT algorithm is a lot more work than setting up a RCHRES instead,
for possibly no extra benefit.  Finally, if it's small enough in terms of
area and storage, you could also simply lump it in with a Wetland category
if you have one, and assume that the effect on the calibrated parameter set
will be negligible.

 

Tom Jobes

St Johns River Water Management District

tjobes@sjrwmd.com

W: 386-328-4463

C: 386-937-6341

 

From: Jay D. Davis [mailto:jdd@uiuc.edu] 
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 9:39 AM
To: Private list for BASINS users
Subject: RE: [basinsinfo] creating lakes

 

Greetings Basinners

 

This is my first post and what I know about BASINS you can put in your eye
and it will not water.  However, I would submit that even hillside or even
dugout ponds have connectivity.  They all overflow in flood and either have
designed, or natural spillways/outlets that release surface runoff.  Does
that alter the context any?

 

jd 

 

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From: Emma Radahl [mailto:emma_1982@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 5:05 AM
To: Private list for BASINS users
Subject: RE: [basinsinfo] creating lakes

 

I would like to tag on a question to this; if there are small lake areas
within the subwatersheds, not in contact with the reach network (that is,
not connected when looking at the surface), is the way to deal with those
simply to introduce a land use category called "water" and use the high
water table equations in HSPF for those areas?

Emma

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Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 16:17:43 -0700
From: ashleyanneperkins@gmail.com
To: basinsinfo@lists.epa.gov
Subject: [basinsinfo] creating lakes

Hello,

 

I am a new BASINS and HSPF user and am looking for guidance on how to
introduce lakes into my model.  I have tried the following methods: Burning
to lake polylines during automatic watershed delineation, using lake
polygons as my only landuse type, introducing inlets and outlets at the lake
locations, and calibrating the appropriate HSPF reaches table entries to
include lakes (LKFG=1).

Can you provide any further advice?
 
Thank you,
Ashley Perkins

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
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 <st1:PlaceType w:st=3D"on">Lake</st1:PlaceType></st1:place> &#8220;in =
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speak.&nbsp; Very ugly mess. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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.&nbsp; There is a link to &#8220;Geographically isolated =
wetlands&#8221;.&nbsp; You should find all
the standardized wetlands classification parameters somewhere from that
starting point.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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Radahl
[mailto:emma_1982@hotmail.com] <br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, May 05, =
2008 3:59 AM<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName =
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<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: [basinsinfo] =
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face=3DTahoma><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>Thanks for a good answer. =
I suppose
I could lump it with a wetland category; I think this is what is done in =
the
tutorial examples for HSPF (a wetland/water category). <br>
Can I have a RCHRES not in contact with the rest of the network then? =
(If the
lake/pond isn't in direct open water contact with the stream network) =
And just
define that x % of landuse A and y % of landuse B drain to the pond?<br>
<br>
/Emma<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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creating
lakes<br>
Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 10:44:25 -0400<br>
From: tjobes@sjrwmd.com<br>
To: basinsinfo@lists.epa.gov<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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a good point,
Jay &#8211; any lake will eventually spill somewhere if the stage rises =
high enough,
though this may not happen in practical terms if the invert is too =
high.&nbsp;
(The Great Salt Lake would spill over the <st1:place =
w:st=3D"on">Rockies</st1:place>
or the Sierras eventually, but I don&#8217;t think that will ever =
happen!) </span></font><font
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3D"#1f497d" face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#1F497D'>Using the HWT
algorithm would allow you to have PERLND hold surface water without =
running
off, but so would a plain RCHRES &#8211; it&#8217;s a matter of how you =
route the
flow.&nbsp; Does the isolated lake provide recharge that contributes to
baseflow downstream?&nbsp; Does it capture only surface runoff, or also =
local
interflow and/or baseflow?&nbsp; If it contributes nothing, you can even =
simply
remove the area from the model.&nbsp; If you do include it, I expect =
that
setting up the HWT algorithm is a lot more work than setting up a RCHRES
instead, for possibly no extra benefit.&nbsp; Finally, if it&#8217;s =
small enough in
terms of area and storage, you could also simply lump it in with a =
Wetland category
if you have one, and assume that the effect on the calibrated parameter =
set
will be negligible.</span></font><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'><o:p></o:p></span></font></=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3D"#244236" face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;color:#244236'>W: =
386-328-4463</span></font><font
size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'><o:p></o:p></span></font></=
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Roman"><span
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386-937-6341</span></font><font
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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'><o:p></o:p></span></font></=
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face=3DTahoma><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> Jay =
D. Davis
[mailto:jdd@uiuc.edu] <br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Friday, May 02, =
2008 9:39 AM<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName =
w:st=3D"on">Private
 list for BASINS users</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: [basinsinfo] =
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style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>This is my first post and what I =
know
about BASINS you can put in your eye and it will not water.&nbsp; =
However, I
would submit that even hillside or even dugout ponds have =
connectivity.&nbsp;
They all overflow in flood and either have designed, or natural
spillways/outlets that release surface runoff.&nbsp; Does that alter the
context any?</span></font><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
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Emma

 

Check
http://www.fws.gov/nwi/PubsReports/FINAL_Draft_Wetlands_Mapping_Standard_08_
06_07.pdf for more specific criteria.

 

jd

 

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From: Emma Radahl [mailto:emma_1982@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 3:59 AM
To: Private list for BASINS users
Subject: RE: [basinsinfo] creating lakes

 

Thanks for a good answer. I suppose I could lump it with a wetland category;
I think this is what is done in the tutorial examples for HSPF (a
wetland/water category). 
Can I have a RCHRES not in contact with the rest of the network then? (If
the lake/pond isn't in direct open water contact with the stream network)
And just define that x % of landuse A and y % of landuse B drain to the
pond?

/Emma

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Subject: RE: [basinsinfo] creating lakes
Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 10:44:25 -0400
From: tjobes@sjrwmd.com
To: basinsinfo@lists.epa.gov

That's a good point, Jay - any lake will eventually spill somewhere if the
stage rises high enough, though this may not happen in practical terms if
the invert is too high.  (The Great Salt Lake would spill over the Rockies
or the Sierras eventually, but I don't think that will ever happen!) 

 

Emma:

Using the HWT algorithm would allow you to have PERLND hold surface water
without running off, but so would a plain RCHRES - it's a matter of how you
route the flow.  Does the isolated lake provide recharge that contributes to
baseflow downstream?  Does it capture only surface runoff, or also local
interflow and/or baseflow?  If it contributes nothing, you can even simply
remove the area from the model.  If you do include it, I expect that setting
up the HWT algorithm is a lot more work than setting up a RCHRES instead,
for possibly no extra benefit.  Finally, if it's small enough in terms of
area and storage, you could also simply lump it in with a Wetland category
if you have one, and assume that the effect on the calibrated parameter set
will be negligible.

 

Tom Jobes

St Johns River Water Management District

tjobes@sjrwmd.com

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C: 386-937-6341

 

From: Jay D. Davis [mailto:jdd@uiuc.edu] 
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 9:39 AM
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Subject: RE: [basinsinfo] creating lakes

 

Greetings Basinners

 

This is my first post and what I know about BASINS you can put in your eye
and it will not water.  However, I would submit that even hillside or even
dugout ponds have connectivity.  They all overflow in flood and either have
designed, or natural spillways/outlets that release surface runoff.  Does
that alter the context any?

 

jd 

 

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Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 5:05 AM
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Subject: RE: [basinsinfo] creating lakes

 

I would like to tag on a question to this; if there are small lake areas
within the subwatersheds, not in contact with the reach network (that is,
not connected when looking at the surface), is the way to deal with those
simply to introduce a land use category called "water" and use the high
water table equations in HSPF for those areas?

Emma

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Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 16:17:43 -0700
From: ashleyanneperkins@gmail.com
To: basinsinfo@lists.epa.gov
Subject: [basinsinfo] creating lakes

Hello,

 

I am a new BASINS and HSPF user and am looking for guidance on how to
introduce lakes into my model.  I have tried the following methods: Burning
to lake polylines during automatic watershed delineation, using lake
polygons as my only landuse type, introducing inlets and outlets at the lake
locations, and calibrating the appropriate HSPF reaches table entries to
include lakes (LKFG=1).

Can you provide any further advice?
 
Thank you,
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running
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route the
flow.&nbsp; Does the isolated lake provide recharge that contributes to
baseflow downstream?&nbsp; Does it capture only surface runoff, or also =
local
interflow and/or baseflow?&nbsp; If it contributes nothing, you can even =
simply
remove the area from the model.&nbsp; If you do include it, I expect =
that
setting up the HWT algorithm is a lot more work than setting up a RCHRES
instead, for possibly no extra benefit.&nbsp; Finally, if it&#8217;s =
small enough in
terms of area and storage, you could also simply lump it in with a =
Wetland
category if you have one, and assume that the effect on the calibrated
parameter set will be negligible.</span></font><font size=3D2 =
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question
to this; if there are small lake areas within the subwatersheds, not in =
contact
with the reach network (that is, not connected when looking at the =
surface), is
the way to deal with those simply to introduce a land use category =
called
&quot;water&quot; and use the high water table equations in HSPF for =
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areas?<br>
<br>
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To: basinsinfo@lists.epa.gov<br>
Subject: [basinsinfo] creating lakes<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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following
methods: Burning to lake polylines during automatic watershed =
delineation,
using lake polygons as my only landuse type, introducing inlets and =
outlets at
the lake locations, and calibrating the appropriate HSPF reaches table =
entries
to include lakes (LKFG=3D1).<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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Thank you,<br>
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Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 08:25:31 -0700
From: "Ashley Perkins" <ashleyanneperkins@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: creating lakes

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Hi,

I am still having trouble creating a lake (original e-mail below).  Does
anyone have any advice?  Or direction to resources?

Thanks,
Ashley

Hello,

I am a new BASINS and HSPF user and am looking for guidance on how to
introduce lakes into my model.  I have tried the following methods: Burning
to lake polylines during automatic watershed delineation, using lake
polygons as my only landuse type, introducing inlets and outlets at the lak=
e
locations (and inlets only), and calibrating the appropriate HSPF reaches
table entries to include lakes (LKFG=3D1).

Can you provide any further advice?

Thank you,
Ashley Perkins

On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 7:04 AM, Jay D. Davis <jdd@uiuc.edu> wrote:

>  Emma
>
>
>
> Check
> http://www.fws.gov/nwi/PubsReports/FINAL_Draft_Wetlands_Mapping_Standard_=
08_06_07.pdffor more specific criteria.
>
>
>
> jd
>
>
>  ------------------------------
>
> *From:* Emma Radahl [mailto:emma_1982@hotmail.com]
> *Sent:* Monday, May 05, 2008 3:59 AM
> *To:* Private list for BASINS users
> *Subject:* RE: [basinsinfo] creating lakes
>
>
>
> Thanks for a good answer. I suppose I could lump it with a wetland
> category; I think this is what is done in the tutorial examples for HSPF =
(a
> wetland/water category).
> Can I have a RCHRES not in contact with the rest of the network then? (If
> the lake/pond isn't in direct open water contact with the stream network)
> And just define that x % of landuse A and y % of landuse B drain to the
> pond?
>
> /Emma
>  ------------------------------
>
> Subject: RE: [basinsinfo] creating lakes
> Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 10:44:25 -0400
> From: tjobes@sjrwmd.com
> To: basinsinfo@lists.epa.gov
>
> That's a good point, Jay =96 any lake will eventually spill somewhere if =
the
> stage rises high enough, though this may not happen in practical terms if
> the invert is too high.  (The Great Salt Lake would spill over the Rockie=
s
> or the Sierras eventually, but I don't think that will ever happen!)
>
>
>
> Emma:
>
> Using the HWT algorithm would allow you to have PERLND hold surface water
> without running off, but so would a plain RCHRES =96 it's a matter of how=
 you
> route the flow.  Does the isolated lake provide recharge that contributes=
 to
> baseflow downstream?  Does it capture only surface runoff, or also local
> interflow and/or baseflow?  If it contributes nothing, you can even simpl=
y
> remove the area from the model.  If you do include it, I expect that sett=
ing
> up the HWT algorithm is a lot more work than setting up a RCHRES instead,
> for possibly no extra benefit.  Finally, if it's small enough in terms of
> area and storage, you could also simply lump it in with a Wetland categor=
y
> if you have one, and assume that the effect on the calibrated parameter s=
et
> will be negligible.
>
>
>
> Tom Jobes
>
> St Johns River Water Management District
>
> tjobes@sjrwmd.com
>
> W: 386-328-4463
>
> C: 386-937-6341
>
>
>
> *From:* Jay D. Davis [mailto:jdd@uiuc.edu]
> *Sent:* Friday, May 02, 2008 9:39 AM
> *To:* Private list for BASINS users
> *Subject:* RE: [basinsinfo] creating lakes
>
>
>
> Greetings Basinners
>
>
>
> This is my first post and what I know about BASINS you can put in your ey=
e
> and it will not water.  However, I would submit that even hillside or eve=
n
> dugout ponds have connectivity.  They all overflow in flood and either ha=
ve
> designed, or natural spillways/outlets that release surface runoff.  Does
> that alter the context any?
>
>
>
> jd
>
>
>  ------------------------------
>
> *From:* Emma Radahl [mailto:emma_1982@hotmail.com]
> *Sent:* Friday, May 02, 2008 5:05 AM
> *To:* Private list for BASINS users
> *Subject:* RE: [basinsinfo] creating lakes
>
>
>
> I would like to tag on a question to this; if there are small lake areas
> within the subwatersheds, not in contact with the reach network (that is,
> not connected when looking at the surface), is the way to deal with those
> simply to introduce a land use category called "water" and use the high
> water table equations in HSPF for those areas?
>
> Emma
>  ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 16:17:43 -0700
> From: ashleyanneperkins@gmail.com
> To: basinsinfo@lists.epa.gov
> Subject: [basinsinfo] creating lakes
>
> Hello,
>
>
>
> I am a new BASINS and HSPF user and am looking for guidance on how to
> introduce lakes into my model.  I have tried the following methods: Burni=
ng
> to lake polylines during automatic watershed delineation, using lake
> polygons as my only landuse type, introducing inlets and outlets at the l=
ake
> locations, and calibrating the appropriate HSPF reaches table entries to
> include lakes (LKFG=3D1).
>
>
> Can you provide any further advice?
>
> Thank you,
> Ashley Perkins
>
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<div>Hi,</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>I am still having trouble creating a lake (original e-mail below).&nbs=
p; Does anyone have any advice?&nbsp; Or direction to resources?</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Thanks,</div>
<div>Ashley</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Hello,<br>&nbsp;<br>I am a new BASINS and HSPF user and am looking for=
 guidance on how to introduce lakes into my model.&nbsp; I have tried the f=
ollowing methods: Burning to lake polylines during automatic watershed deli=
neation, using lake polygons as my only landuse type, introducing inlets an=
d outlets at the lake locations (and inlets only), and calibrating the appr=
opriate HSPF reaches table entries to include lakes (LKFG=3D1).</div>

<p>Can you provide any further advice?<br>&nbsp;<br>Thank you,<br>Ashley Pe=
rkins<br><br></p>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 7:04 AM, Jay D. Davis &lt=
;<a href=3D"mailto:jdd@uiuc.edu">jdd@uiuc.edu</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0=
px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">
<div lang=3D"EN-US" vlink=3D"blue" link=3D"blue">
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<p><font face=3D"Arial" color=3D"navy" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:=
 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Emma</span></font></p>
<p><font face=3D"Arial" color=3D"navy" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:=
 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&nbsp;</span></font></p>
<p><font face=3D"Arial" color=3D"navy" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:=
 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Check <a href=3D"http://www.fws.gov=
/nwi/PubsReports/FINAL_Draft_Wetlands_Mapping_Standard_08_06_07.pdf" target=
=3D"_blank">http://www.fws.gov/nwi/PubsReports/FINAL_Draft_Wetlands_Mapping=
_Standard_08_06_07.pdf</a> for more specific criteria.</span></font></p>

<div>
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<p><font face=3D"Arial" color=3D"navy" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:=
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<p><b><font face=3D"Tahoma" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FO=
NT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</span></font></b><font face=3D"Ta=
homa" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> Emma=
 Radahl [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:emma_1982@hotmail.com" target=3D"_blank">=
emma_1982@hotmail.com</a>] <br>
<b><span style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</span></b> Monday, May 05, 2008 =
3:59 AM<br><b><span style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</span></b> Private list=
 for BASINS users<br><b><span style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</span></=
b> RE: [basinsinfo] creating lakes</span></font></p>
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">&nbsp;</span></font></p>
<p style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><font face=3D"Tahoma" size=3D"2"><span sty=
le=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">Thanks for a good answer. I sup=
pose I could lump it with a wetland category; I think this is what is done =
in the tutorial examples for HSPF (a wetland/water category). <br>
Can I have a RCHRES not in contact with the rest of the network then? (If t=
he lake/pond isn&#39;t in direct open water contact with the stream network=
) And just define that x % of landuse A and y % of landuse B drain to the p=
ond?<br>
<br>/Emma</span></font></p>
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<p style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><font face=3D"Tahoma" size=3D"2"><span sty=
le=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">Subject: RE: [basinsinfo] creat=
ing lakes<br>Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 10:44:25 -0400<br>From: <a href=3D"mailt=
o:tjobes@sjrwmd.com" target=3D"_blank">tjobes@sjrwmd.com</a><br>
To: <a href=3D"mailto:basinsinfo@lists.epa.gov" target=3D"_blank">basinsinf=
o@lists.epa.gov</a></span></font></p>
<div>
<p><font face=3D"Arial" color=3D"#1f497d" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"FONT-SI=
ZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">That's a good point, Jay =96 =
any lake will eventually spill somewhere if the stage rises high enough, th=
ough this may not happen in practical terms if the invert is too high.&nbsp=
; (The Great Salt Lake would spill over the Rockies or the Sierras eventual=
ly, but I don't think that will ever happen!) </span></font><font face=3D"T=
ahoma" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"></sp=
an></font></p>

<p><font face=3D"Arial" color=3D"#1f497d" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"FONT-SI=
ZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&nbsp;</span></font><font fac=
e=3D"Tahoma" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma=
"></span></font></p>

<p><font face=3D"Arial" color=3D"#1f497d" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"FONT-SI=
ZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Emma:</span></font><font face=
=3D"Tahoma" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"=
></span></font></p>

<p><font face=3D"Arial" color=3D"#1f497d" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"FONT-SI=
ZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Using the HWT algorithm would=
 allow you to have PERLND hold surface water without running off, but so wo=
uld a plain RCHRES =96 it's a matter of how you route the flow.&nbsp; Does =
the isolated lake provide recharge that contributes to baseflow downstream?=
&nbsp; Does it capture only surface runoff, or also local interflow and/or =
baseflow?&nbsp; If it contributes nothing, you can even simply remove the a=
rea from the model.&nbsp; If you do include it, I expect that setting up th=
e HWT algorithm is a lot more work than setting up a RCHRES instead, for po=
ssibly no extra benefit.&nbsp; Finally, if it's small enough in terms of ar=
ea and storage, you could also simply lump it in with a Wetland category if=
 you have one, and assume that the effect on the calibrated parameter set w=
ill be negligible.</span></font><font face=3D"Tahoma" size=3D"2"><span styl=
e=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"></span></font></p>

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"></span></font></p>

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<p><font face=3D"Times New Roman" color=3D"#244236" size=3D"2"><span style=
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an></font></p>

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<p><font face=3D"Times New Roman" color=3D"#244236" size=3D"2"><span style=
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<p><b><font face=3D"Tahoma" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FO=
NT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</span></font></b><font face=3D"Ta=
homa" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> Jay =
D. Davis [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:jdd@uiuc.edu" target=3D"_blank">jdd@uiuc=
.edu</a>] <br>
<b><span style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</span></b> Friday, May 02, 2008 =
9:39 AM<br><b><span style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</span></b> Private list=
 for BASINS users<br><b><span style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</span></=
b> RE: [basinsinfo] creating lakes</span></font></p>
</div></div>
<p><font face=3D"Tahoma" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FA=
MILY: Tahoma">&nbsp;</span></font></p>
<p><font face=3D"Arial" color=3D"navy" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:=
 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Greetings Basinners</span></font><f=
ont face=3D"Tahoma" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY:=
 Tahoma"></span></font></p>

<p><font face=3D"Arial" color=3D"navy" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:=
 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&nbsp;</span></font><font face=3D"T=
ahoma" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"></sp=
an></font></p>

<p><font face=3D"Arial" color=3D"navy" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:=
 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">This is my first post and what I kn=
ow about BASINS you can put in your eye and it will not water.&nbsp; Howeve=
r, I would submit that even hillside or even dugout ponds have connectivity=
.&nbsp; They all overflow in flood and either have designed, or natural spi=
llways/outlets that release surface runoff.&nbsp; Does that alter the conte=
xt any?</span></font><font face=3D"Tahoma" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"FONT-S=
IZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"></span></font></p>

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an></font></p>

<p><font face=3D"Arial" color=3D"navy" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:=
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ma" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"></span>=
</font></p>

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<p><b><font face=3D"Tahoma" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FO=
NT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</span></font></b><font face=3D"Ta=
homa" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> Emma=
 Radahl [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:emma_1982@hotmail.com" target=3D"_blank">=
emma_1982@hotmail.com</a>] <br>
<b><span style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</span></b> Friday, May 02, 2008 =
5:05 AM<br><b><span style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</span></b> Private list=
 for BASINS users<br><b><span style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</span></=
b> RE: [basinsinfo] creating lakes</span></font></p>
</div>
<p><font face=3D"Tahoma" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FA=
MILY: Tahoma">&nbsp;</span></font></p>
<p style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><font face=3D"Tahoma" size=3D"2"><span sty=
le=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">I would like to tag on a questi=
on to this; if there are small lake areas within the subwatersheds, not in =
contact with the reach network (that is, not connected when looking at the =
surface), is the way to deal with those simply to introduce a land use cate=
gory called &quot;water&quot; and use the high water table equations in HSP=
F for those areas?<br>
<br>Emma</span></font></p>
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<p style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><font face=3D"Tahoma" size=3D"2"><span sty=
le=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 16:17:43 =
-0700<br>From: <a href=3D"mailto:ashleyanneperkins@gmail.com" target=3D"_bl=
ank">ashleyanneperkins@gmail.com</a><br>
To: <a href=3D"mailto:basinsinfo@lists.epa.gov" target=3D"_blank">basinsinf=
o@lists.epa.gov</a><br>Subject: [basinsinfo] creating lakes</span></font></=
p>
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<p><font face=3D"Tahoma" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FA=
MILY: Tahoma">Hello,</span></font></p></div>
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<p><font face=3D"Tahoma" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FA=
MILY: Tahoma">&nbsp;</span></font></p></div>
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<p><font face=3D"Tahoma" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FA=
MILY: Tahoma">I am a new BASINS and HSPF user and am looking for guidance o=
n how to introduce lakes into my model.&nbsp; I have tried the following me=
thods: Burning to lake polylines during automatic watershed delineation, us=
ing lake polygons as my only landuse type, introducing inlets and outlets a=
t the lake locations, and calibrating the appropriate HSPF reaches table en=
tries to include lakes (LKFG=3D1).</span></font></p>
</div>
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<p><font face=3D"Tahoma" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FA=
MILY: Tahoma"><br>Can you provide any further advice?<br>&nbsp;<br>Thank yo=
u,<br>Ashley Perkins</span></font></p></div>
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From: "Tom Jobes" <tjobes@sjrwmd.com>
Subject: RE: creating lakes

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Yes, you can have an unconnected RCHRES.  The schematic diagram on the
main screen of WinHSPF may not show it, but the model will run it and
generate results if it is set up correctly.

=20

Tom Jobes

St Johns River Water Management District

tjobes@sjrwmd.com

W: 386-328-4463

C: 386-937-6341

=20

From: Emma Radahl [mailto:emma_1982@hotmail.com]=20
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 4:59 AM
To: Private list for BASINS users
Subject: RE: [basinsinfo] creating lakes

=20

Thanks for a good answer. I suppose I could lump it with a wetland
category; I think this is what is done in the tutorial examples for HSPF
(a wetland/water category).=20
Can I have a RCHRES not in contact with the rest of the network then?
(If the lake/pond isn't in direct open water contact with the stream
network) And just define that x % of landuse A and y % of landuse B
drain to the pond?

/Emma

________________________________

Subject: RE: [basinsinfo] creating lakes
Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 10:44:25 -0400
From: tjobes@sjrwmd.com
To: basinsinfo@lists.epa.gov

That's a good point, Jay - any lake will eventually spill somewhere if
the stage rises high enough, though this may not happen in practical
terms if the invert is too high.  (The Great Salt Lake would spill over
the Rockies or the Sierras eventually, but I don't think that will ever
happen!)=20

=20

Emma:

Using the HWT algorithm would allow you to have PERLND hold surface
water without running off, but so would a plain RCHRES - it's a matter
of how you route the flow.  Does the isolated lake provide recharge that
contributes to baseflow downstream?  Does it capture only surface
runoff, or also local interflow and/or baseflow?  If it contributes
nothing, you can even simply remove the area from the model.  If you do
include it, I expect that setting up the HWT algorithm is a lot more
work than setting up a RCHRES instead, for possibly no extra benefit.
Finally, if it's small enough in terms of area and storage, you could
also simply lump it in with a Wetland category if you have one, and
assume that the effect on the calibrated parameter set will be
negligible.

=20

Tom Jobes

St Johns River Water Management District

tjobes@sjrwmd.com

W: 386-328-4463

C: 386-937-6341

=20

From: Jay D. Davis [mailto:jdd@uiuc.edu]=20
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 9:39 AM
To: Private list for BASINS users
Subject: RE: [basinsinfo] creating lakes

=20

Greetings Basinners

=20

This is my first post and what I know about BASINS you can put in your
eye and it will not water.  However, I would submit that even hillside
or even dugout ponds have connectivity.  They all overflow in flood and
either have designed, or natural spillways/outlets that release surface
runoff.  Does that alter the context any?

=20

jd=20

=20

________________________________

From: Emma Radahl [mailto:emma_1982@hotmail.com]=20
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 5:05 AM
To: Private list for BASINS users
Subject: RE: [basinsinfo] creating lakes

=20

I would like to tag on a question to this; if there are small lake areas
within the subwatersheds, not in contact with the reach network (that
is, not connected when looking at the surface), is the way to deal with
those simply to introduce a land use category called "water" and use the
high water table equations in HSPF for those areas?

Emma

________________________________

Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 16:17:43 -0700
From: ashleyanneperkins@gmail.com
To: basinsinfo@lists.epa.gov
Subject: [basinsinfo] creating lakes

Hello,

=20

I am a new BASINS and HSPF user and am looking for guidance on how to
introduce lakes into my model.  I have tried the following methods:
Burning to lake polylines during automatic watershed delineation, using
lake polygons as my only landuse type, introducing inlets and outlets at
the lake locations, and calibrating the appropriate HSPF reaches table
entries to include lakes (LKFG=3D1).

Can you provide any further advice?
=20
Thank you,
Ashley Perkins

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Yes, you can have an unconnected RCHRES.&nbsp; The =
schematic
diagram on the main screen of WinHSPF may not show it, but the model =
will run
it and generate results if it is set up correctly.</span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span></p>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:#244236'>Tom
Jobes</span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:#244236'>St
Johns River Water Management District</span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:#244236'>tjobes@sjrwmd.com</=
span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:#244236'>W:
386-328-4463</span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:#244236'>C:
386-937-6341</span></p>

</div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span></p>

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<div style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt =
0in 0in 0in'>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
Emma Radahl
[mailto:emma_1982@hotmail.com] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, May 05, 2008 4:59 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Private list for BASINS users<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [basinsinfo] creating lakes</span></p>

</div>

</div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;</p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Thanks for a good answer. I suppose I =
could
lump it with a wetland category; I think this is what is done in the =
tutorial
examples for HSPF (a wetland/water category). <br>
Can I have a RCHRES not in contact with the rest of the network then? =
(If the
lake/pond isn't in direct open water contact with the stream network) =
And just
define that x % of landuse A and y % of landuse B drain to the pond?<br>
<br>
/Emma</span></p>

<div class=3DMsoNormal align=3Dcenter style=3D'text-align:center'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>

<hr size=3D2 align=3Dcenter>

</span></div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Subject: RE: [basinsinfo] creating =
lakes<br>
Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 10:44:25 -0400<br>
From: tjobes@sjrwmd.com<br>
To: basinsinfo@lists.epa.gov</span></p>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>That&#8217;s a good point, Jay &#8211; any lake will =
eventually
spill somewhere if the stage rises high enough, though this may not =
happen in
practical terms if the invert is too high.&nbsp; (The Great Salt Lake =
would
spill over the Rockies or the Sierras eventually, but I don&#8217;t =
think that
will ever happen!) </span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Emma:</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Using the HWT algorithm would allow you to have PERLND =
hold
surface water without running off, but so would a plain RCHRES &#8211;
it&#8217;s a matter of how you route the flow.&nbsp; Does the isolated =
lake
provide recharge that contributes to baseflow downstream?&nbsp; Does it =
capture
only surface runoff, or also local interflow and/or baseflow?&nbsp; If =
it
contributes nothing, you can even simply remove the area from the =
model.&nbsp;
If you do include it, I expect that setting up the HWT algorithm is a =
lot more
work than setting up a RCHRES instead, for possibly no extra =
benefit.&nbsp;
Finally, if it&#8217;s small enough in terms of area and storage, you =
could also
simply lump it in with a Wetland category if you have one, and assume =
that the
effect on the calibrated parameter set will be negligible.</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'></span></p>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif";
color:#244236'>Tom Jobes</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif";
color:#244236'>St Johns River Water Management District</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif";
color:#244236'>tjobes@sjrwmd.com</span><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif";
color:#244236'>W: 386-328-4463</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif"'></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif";
color:#244236'>C: 386-937-6341</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif"'></span></p>

</div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'></span></p>

<div>

<div style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid windowtext =
1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;
border-color:-moz-use-text-color -moz-use-text-color'>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
Jay D. Davis [mailto:jdd@uiuc.edu]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, May 02, 2008 9:39 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Private list for BASINS users<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [basinsinfo] creating lakes</span></p>

</div>

</div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>&nbsp;</span=
></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>Greetings Basinners</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif"'></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>&nbsp;</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>This is my first post and what I know about BASINS you can =
put in
your eye and it will not water.&nbsp; However, I would submit that even
hillside or even dugout ponds have connectivity.&nbsp; They all overflow =
in
flood and either have designed, or natural spillways/outlets that =
release
surface runoff.&nbsp; Does that alter the context any?</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>&nbsp;</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>jd </span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>&nbsp;</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'></span></p>

<div>

<div class=3DMsoNormal align=3Dcenter style=3D'text-align:center'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>

<hr size=3D2 align=3Dcenter>

</span></div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
Emma Radahl
[mailto:emma_1982@hotmail.com] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, May 02, 2008 5:05 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Private list for BASINS users<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [basinsinfo] creating lakes</span></p>

</div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>&nbsp;</span=
></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>I would like to tag on a question to =
this;
if there are small lake areas within the subwatersheds, not in contact =
with the
reach network (that is, not connected when looking at the surface), is =
the way
to deal with those simply to introduce a land use category called
&quot;water&quot; and use the high water table equations in HSPF for =
those
areas?<br>
<br>
Emma</span></p>

<div class=3DMsoNormal align=3Dcenter style=3D'text-align:center'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>

<hr size=3D2 align=3Dcenter>

</span></div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 16:17:43 =
-0700<br>
From: ashleyanneperkins@gmail.com<br>
To: basinsinfo@lists.epa.gov<br>
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thus trying to launch WinHSPF from BASINS. But I get the following error
message: "Collection index must be in the range 1 to the size of the
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Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 12:58:06 -0400 (EDT)
From: jferrari@al.umces.edu
Subject: Re: HSPF equations and PEST

Emma,

Regarding Sensitivity Analysis via PEST, check out the description of the
SENSAN (a DOS executable) program that's bundled with the PEST
distribution.  Details of how SENSAN works are in chapter 12 of the PEST
manual which can be downloaded from;

http://www.sspa.com/Pest/download/pestman.pdf

I may be incorrect, and somebody please correct me if I'm wrong- but I'm
going to imagine that you'd need to use SENSAN outside of WINHSPF and
BASINS- that is, use the command-line programs SENSAN, PEST, TSPROC and
XHSPFX.  XHSPFX is the DOS executable version of HSPF that has the mods
made to allow for PEST automation.

Best Regards,

Joe Ferrari

>
> I am curious  what users of HSPF think regarding the physical relevance of
> the equations in the model? As far as I've understood it, many of the
> equations are "semi-"physically based?
>
> To what extent would it be possible to actually input measured "physical"
> values into the model as compared to parameters that mainly are "tuning"
> tools to get a simulated time series to better match an observed one?
> (That is, could I measure parameter values in the field and use in a HSPF
> project?)
> I have seen that equations in HSPF are based on Philips and
> Chezy-Manning's equations, as well as the energy balance, but how similar
> are the model's version of these equations to the equations themselves
> really?
>
>
> I am also curious about the possibility to use PEST as a sensitivity
> analysis tool, in the WinHSPF manual there is information that PEST could
> be utilized as this for the HSPF-model. Has anyone any experience in using
> PEST for this purpose?
>
> Sincerely,
> Emma Radahl
>
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Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 14:36:00 -0400
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Subject: negative concentrations

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I'm using HSPF with WinHSPFLt and am simulating water, sediment, and a 
GQual with sorption in reaches.
Under some conditions I get negative concentrations and loads, both for 
dissolved and sediment associated qual.
There are no negative coefficients, multipliers, or acreage in the UCI.
So the negative values may be caused by roundoff errors

Has anyone had experience with this?

jack

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<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">I'm using HSPF with WinHSPFLt and am
simulating water, sediment, and a GQual with sorption in reaches.</font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Under some conditions I get negative
concentrations and loads, both for dissolved and sediment associated 
qual.</font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">There are no negative coefficients,
multipliers, or acreage in the UCI.</font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">So the negative values may be caused
by roundoff errors</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Has anyone had experience with this?</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">jack</font>
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Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 15:35:14 -0400
From: "Tom Jobes" <tjobes@sjrwmd.com>
Subject: RE: HSPF equations and PEST

Regarding the XhspfX executable - it's my understanding that the changes
that were made to link with PEST have been
merged into the standard version of HSPF in BASINS.  However there is
not a DOS executable included in the BASINS
release, so PEST might still need to use that special version for now -
the ideal solution would be to allow PEST to launch
WinHspfLT, I think, so that new features in the model (i.e. newer than
that executable) could be used in the optimized runs.

Tom Jobes
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Subject: Re: [basinsinfo] HSPF equations and PEST

Emma,

Regarding Sensitivity Analysis via PEST, check out the description of
the
SENSAN (a DOS executable) program that's bundled with the PEST
distribution.  Details of how SENSAN works are in chapter 12 of the PEST
manual which can be downloaded from;

http://www.sspa.com/Pest/download/pestman.pdf

I may be incorrect, and somebody please correct me if I'm wrong- but I'm
going to imagine that you'd need to use SENSAN outside of WINHSPF and
BASINS- that is, use the command-line programs SENSAN, PEST, TSPROC and
XHSPFX.  XHSPFX is the DOS executable version of HSPF that has the mods
made to allow for PEST automation.

Best Regards,

Joe Ferrari

>
> I am curious  what users of HSPF think regarding the physical
relevance of
> the equations in the model? As far as I've understood it, many of the
> equations are "semi-"physically based?
>
> To what extent would it be possible to actually input measured
"physical"
> values into the model as compared to parameters that mainly are
"tuning"
> tools to get a simulated time series to better match an observed one?
> (That is, could I measure parameter values in the field and use in a
HSPF
> project?)
> I have seen that equations in HSPF are based on Philips and
> Chezy-Manning's equations, as well as the energy balance, but how
similar
> are the model's version of these equations to the equations themselves
> really?
>
>
> I am also curious about the possibility to use PEST as a sensitivity
> analysis tool, in the WinHSPF manual there is information that PEST
could
> be utilized as this for the HSPF-model. Has anyone any experience in
using
> PEST for this purpose?
>
> Sincerely,
> Emma Radahl
>
> _________________________________________________________________
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Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 00:04:14 +0200
From: Emma Radahl <emma_1982@hotmail.com>
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Joe,
Thank you. I take it that SENSAN is not built in to the current version of =
WinHSPF? (Unfortunately, since a sensitivity analys tool would be welcome f=
or a model with so many parameters as HSPF...)

-Emma

> Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 12:58:06 -0400
> Subject: Re: [basinsinfo] HSPF equations and PEST
> From: jferrari@al.umces.edu
> To: basinsinfo@lists.epa.gov
>=20
> Emma,
>=20
> Regarding Sensitivity Analysis via PEST, check out the description of the
> SENSAN (a DOS executable) program that's bundled with the PEST
> distribution.  Details of how SENSAN works are in chapter 12 of the PEST
> manual which can be downloaded from;
>=20
> http://www.sspa.com/Pest/download/pestman.pdf
>=20
> I may be incorrect, and somebody please correct me if I'm wrong- but I'm
> going to imagine that you'd need to use SENSAN outside of WINHSPF and
> BASINS- that is, use the command-line programs SENSAN, PEST, TSPROC and
> XHSPFX.  XHSPFX is the DOS executable version of HSPF that has the mods
> made to allow for PEST automation.
>=20
> Best Regards,
>=20
> Joe Ferrari
>=20
> >
> > I am curious  what users of HSPF think regarding the physical relevance=
 of
> > the equations in the model? As far as I've understood it, many of the
> > equations are "semi-"physically based?
> >
> > To what extent would it be possible to actually input measured "physica=
l"
> > values into the model as compared to parameters that mainly are "tuning=
"
> > tools to get a simulated time series to better match an observed one?
> > (That is, could I measure parameter values in the field and use in a HS=
PF
> > project?)
> > I have seen that equations in HSPF are based on Philips and
> > Chezy-Manning's equations, as well as the energy balance, but how simil=
ar
> > are the model's version of these equations to the equations themselves
> > really?
> >
> >
> > I am also curious about the possibility to use PEST as a sensitivity
> > analysis tool, in the WinHSPF manual there is information that PEST cou=
ld
> > be utilized as this for the HSPF-model. Has anyone any experience in us=
ing
> > PEST for this purpose?
> >
> > Sincerely,
> > Emma Radahl
> >
> > _________________________________________________________________
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sion of WinHSPF? (Unfortunately, since a sensitivity analys tool would be w=
elcome for a model with so many parameters as HSPF...)<br><br>-Emma<br><br>=
&gt; Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 12:58:06 -0400<br>&gt; Subject: Re: [basinsinfo]=
 HSPF equations and PEST<br>&gt; From: jferrari@al.umces.edu<br>&gt; To: ba=
sinsinfo@lists.epa.gov<br>&gt; <br>&gt; Emma,<br>&gt; <br>&gt; Regarding Se=
nsitivity Analysis via PEST, check out the description of the<br>&gt; SENSA=
N (a DOS executable) program that's bundled with the PEST<br>&gt; distribut=
ion.  Details of how SENSAN works are in chapter 12 of the PEST<br>&gt; man=
ual which can be downloaded from;<br>&gt; <br>&gt; http://www.sspa.com/Pest=
/download/pestman.pdf<br>&gt; <br>&gt; I may be incorrect, and somebody ple=
ase correct me if I'm wrong- but I'm<br>&gt; going to imagine that you'd ne=
ed to use SENSAN outside of WINHSPF and<br>&gt; BASINS- that is, use the co=
mmand-line programs SENSAN, PEST, TSPROC and<br>&gt; XHSPFX.  XHSPFX is the=
 DOS executable version of HSPF that has the mods<br>&gt; made to allow for=
 PEST automation.<br>&gt; <br>&gt; Best Regards,<br>&gt; <br>&gt; Joe Ferra=
ri<br>&gt; <br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; I am curious  what users of HSPF thin=
k regarding the physical relevance of<br>&gt; &gt; the equations in the mod=
el? As far as I've understood it, many of the<br>&gt; &gt; equations are "s=
emi-"physically based?<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; To what extent would it be=
 possible to actually input measured "physical"<br>&gt; &gt; values into th=
e model as compared to parameters that mainly are "tuning"<br>&gt; &gt; too=
ls to get a simulated time series to better match an observed one?<br>&gt; =
&gt; (That is, could I measure parameter values in the field and use in a H=
SPF<br>&gt; &gt; project?)<br>&gt; &gt; I have seen that equations in HSPF =
are based on Philips and<br>&gt; &gt; Chezy-Manning's equations, as well as=
 the energy balance, but how similar<br>&gt; &gt; are the model's version o=
f these equations to the equations themselves<br>&gt; &gt; really?<br>&gt; =
&gt;<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; I am also curious about the possibility to u=
se PEST as a sensitivity<br>&gt; &gt; analysis tool, in the WinHSPF manual =
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Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 11:11:09 -0400 (EDT)
From: jferrari@al.umces.edu
Subject: RE: HSPF equations and PEST

Emma,

I do not know what is bundled into WinHSPF or BASINS with the latest
releases, so I can't comment on WinHSPF sensitivity analysis capabilities.

I primarily use the command line versions of HSPF and PEST.  I have used
WinHSPF in the past, and it is a great tool for being able to whip through
all the sections of the HSPF model, but for my work we do LOTS of
simulations, which necessitates batch processing, which I find easier to
do with the command line versions.

If you download PEST and associated Surface Water Utilities bundle, the
SENSAN executable comes with the package.  The only problem is using it
would be a wee-tad more complicated than filling in boxes in WinHSPF
windows..... There would be a learning curve involved.

Joe

>
> Joe,
> Thank you. I take it that SENSAN is not built in to the current version of
> WinHSPF? (Unfortunately, since a sensitivity analys tool would be welcome
> for a model with so many parameters as HSPF...)
>
> -Emma
>
>> Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 12:58:06 -0400
>> Subject: Re: [basinsinfo] HSPF equations and PEST
>> From: jferrari@al.umces.edu
>> To: basinsinfo@lists.epa.gov
>>
>> Emma,
>>
>> Regarding Sensitivity Analysis via PEST, check out the description of
>> the
>> SENSAN (a DOS executable) program that's bundled with the PEST
>> distribution.  Details of how SENSAN works are in chapter 12 of the PEST
>> manual which can be downloaded from;
>>
>> http://www.sspa.com/Pest/download/pestman.pdf
>>
>> I may be incorrect, and somebody please correct me if I'm wrong- but I'm
>> going to imagine that you'd need to use SENSAN outside of WINHSPF and
>> BASINS- that is, use the command-line programs SENSAN, PEST, TSPROC and
>> XHSPFX.  XHSPFX is the DOS executable version of HSPF that has the mods
>> made to allow for PEST automation.
>>
>> Best Regards,
>>
>> Joe Ferrari
>>
>> >
>> > I am curious  what users of HSPF think regarding the physical
>> relevance of
>> > the equations in the model? As far as I've understood it, many of the
>> > equations are "semi-"physically based?
>> >
>> > To what extent would it be possible to actually input measured
>> "physical"
>> > values into the model as compared to parameters that mainly are
>> "tuning"
>> > tools to get a simulated time series to better match an observed one?
>> > (That is, could I measure parameter values in the field and use in a
>> HSPF
>> > project?)
>> > I have seen that equations in HSPF are based on Philips and
>> > Chezy-Manning's equations, as well as the energy balance, but how
>> similar
>> > are the model's version of these equations to the equations themselves
>> > really?
>> >
>> >
>> > I am also curious about the possibility to use PEST as a sensitivity
>> > analysis tool, in the WinHSPF manual there is information that PEST
>> could
>> > be utilized as this for the HSPF-model. Has anyone any experience in
>> using
>> > PEST for this purpose?
>> >
>> > Sincerely,
>> > Emma Radahl
>> >
>> > _________________________________________________________________
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Ok BASINners

 

Now I am sucked into the BASIN vortex and I want to build a new project, but
I want to build it in a directory/folder/workspace, or whatever the
vernacular is, of my own choosing, and not the default location; which seems
to be hardwired as a coded path.  I am not finding how to do it in the help
files.  Being a bonehead, you all probably put it in plain sight and I am
not seeing it -I have searched for my glasses and found them..on my face- so
you see my frustration.

 

jd  

 

Jay D. Davis, BS,MA

Research Specialist in Agriculture

Department of Agricultural and Biological Engineering

University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign

232A Agricultural Engineering Sciences Building, MC644

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I may have stumbled across the proper sequence.  For all you old hands, you
can have a laugh on the 'tenderfoot' here.  I was getting spooked by the box
demanding access to the .exe files.  Once I pointed it to the
c:\~\Basins\etc path, data seems to be flowing into the place I want it.

 

Ouch!! The 'tenderfoot' just stepped on a cactus.

 

I'll get the hang if it, if it don't hang me.

 

jd

 

Jay D. Davis, BS,MA

Research Specialist in Agriculture

Department of Agricultural and Biological Engineering

University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign

232A Agricultural Engineering Sciences Building, MC644

1304 West Pennsylvania Avenue

Urbana, Illinois 61801

E:  jdd@uiuc.edu

(217) 333-7956 (voice mail)

(217) 244-0323 (fax)

 

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X-Message-Number: 20
X-lyris-Id: 169572
Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 10:38:38 -0600
From: Dan Herrick <dan.herrick@colostate.edu>
Subject: BASINS 64-bit edition?

Hello all,

Are there any plans to develop the BASINS package for 64-bit OS?

We have just installed BASINS 4.0 without a hitch on our computer lab 
PCs running Windows XP, but upon installing it to a Windows Server 2003 
64-bit system, the BASINS 4 program crashes when opened. Specifically, 
the MapWindow component is failing. I tried installing the MapWindow GIS 
desktop application (both version 4.4 and version 4.5 RC2) separately 
and it's throwing the same error.

We are using Windows Server 2003 R2 x64 edition in Terminal Services 
mode. Unfortunately our computing environment here hinges on using thin 
clients to access these 64-bit servers for most software. (Our Windows 
PCs are in the minority here.)

Please consider this a request for the development of a version of the 
BASINS package compatible with 64-bit Windows Server OS.

Thanks,
Dan

_____________________.oOo.______________________
Dan Herrick, Computer Lab Manager
Engineering Network Services
Colorado State University

E-mail: dan.herrick@colostate.edu
Phone: 970-491-3131
Fax: 970-491-5569

The three most useless words in computer
technology: 'It should work'.

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X-Message-Number: 21
X-lyris-Id: 169575
Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 13:16:54 -0400
From: jvandyke@ectinc.com
Subject: BASINS 64-bit edition?

I will be out of the office on Monday 12 May 2008. 

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X-Message-Number: 22
X-lyris-Id: 169602
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 09:10:17 -0500
From: Thomas M Over <tmover@usgs.gov>
Subject: TSPROC question

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Dear BASINS Users:

Any TSPROC experts out there? My question is as follows:

TSPROC computes some univariate (SERIES_STATISTICS) or bi-variate 
(SERIES_COMPARE) statistics. But can you reference the output of these 
procedures in a convenient way, like if the elements of the S_TABLE could 
be used in subsequent processing  (e.g., using the mean and std_dev on a 
series to create a standardized series)? I can find no mention of this 
possibility in the PEST Surface Water Utilities documentation; all the 
SERIES_EQUATION examples use constants, not variables. Is the only thing 
you can do with S_TABLEs and C_TABLEs is write them to a file using 
LIST_OUTPUT?

Thanks,
Tom Over

Hydrologist 
U.S. Geological Survey 
Illinois Water Science Center 
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<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Dear BASINS Users:</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Any TSPROC experts out there? My question
is as follows:</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">TSPROC computes some univariate 
(SERIES_STATISTICS)
or bi-variate (SERIES_COMPARE) statistics. But can you reference the output
of these procedures in a convenient way, like if the elements of the S_TABLE
could be used in subsequent processing &nbsp;(e.g., using the mean and
std_dev on a series to create a standardized series)? I can find no mention
of this possibility in the PEST Surface Water Utilities documentation;
all the SERIES_EQUATION examples use constants, not variables. Is the only
thing you can do with S_TABLEs and C_TABLEs is write them to a file using
LIST_OUTPUT?</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Thanks,</font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Tom Over</font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif"><br>
Hydrologist &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;<br>
U.S. Geological Survey &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; <br>
Illinois Water Science Center &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;</font>
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X-Message-Number: 23
X-lyris-Id: 169632
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 17:15:39 -0400
From: "Paul Duda" <pbduda@aquaterra.com>
Subject: Reminder: BASINS/HSPF Training Workshop, July 14-18, 2008

Reminder: Registration requests must be received by 30 May 2008.

BASINS/HSPF TRAINING WORKSHOP
JULY 14-18, 2008
SANTA CLARA, CA

The U.S. EPA's Hydrological Simulation Program-FORTRAN (HSPF) is the primary
watershed model included in the EPA BASINS modeling system.  HSPF is a
comprehensive watershed model of hydrology and water quality, simulating
land surface and subsurface hydrologic and water quality processes, linked
and closely integrated with corresponding stream and reservoir processes.
BASINS/HSPF has been a major tool for watershed and TMDL assessments across
the US.

This EPA-sponsored workshop will be led by expert instructors from AQUA
TERRA Consultants.  The workshop will consist of approximately 50 percent
lecture and 50 percent computer exercises, and will focus on the application
of HSPF through EPA's BASINS system.

Course Dates and Duration
This 4-1/2 day workshop will be held July 14-18, 2008.

Location
The course will be held at the following location in Santa Clara, CA:
   Ready Serve/Techmart
   5201 Great America Parkway
   Santa Clara, CA 95054
   www.readyserve.com
See web site for location and directions.

Course Schedule
The 4-1/2 day course is scheduled as follows:
   Monday, 1:00pm - 5:00 pm (On-site Check In/Registration 12:00 - 1:00 pm)
   Tuesday - Thursday, 8:30 am - 5:00 pm
   Friday, 8:30 am - 4:00 pm
A sample schedule can be found online:
http://www.aquaterra.com/baswkshop.html

Registration
The workshop is free, but space is limited and prior registration is
required.  To request space in the workshop, please email Doris Jean Quiring
(djquiring@aquaterra.com) at AQUA TERRA Consultants (phone: 650-962-1864).

To complete the registration process you MUST submit the following:
- a brief statement explaining your interest in BASINS/HSPF
- name, title, organization and address
- contact information: phone, fax, email

Registration requests must be received by 30 May 2008.  Final registrants
will be confirmed and notified of their acceptance by 6 June 2008, at the
latest and provided travel and hotel information at that time.

Prerequisites
Workshop participants should have a basic understanding of watershed
hydrology and water quality processes.

Accommodations and Travel
Local hotel and travel information will be provided to registrants in June
when confirmed.

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X-Message-Number: 24
X-lyris-Id: 169635
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 07:34:41 -0700
From: "Job, Scott" <Scott.Job@tetratech.com>
Subject: RE: BASINS 64-bit edition?

Dan,
You may have already tried this, but can you run it in a Windows XP
compatibility mode (that is, if 2003 64-bit has that as an option)?
Scott
-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Herrick [mailto:dan.herrick@colostate.edu]=20
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 12:39 PM
To: Private list for BASINS users
Subject: [basinsinfo] BASINS 64-bit edition?

Hello all,

Are there any plans to develop the BASINS package for 64-bit OS?

We have just installed BASINS 4.0 without a hitch on our computer lab=20
PCs running Windows XP, but upon installing it to a Windows Server 2003=20
64-bit system, the BASINS 4 program crashes when opened. Specifically,=20
the MapWindow component is failing. I tried installing the MapWindow GIS

desktop application (both version 4.4 and version 4.5 RC2) separately=20
and it's throwing the same error.

We are using Windows Server 2003 R2 x64 edition in Terminal Services=20
mode. Unfortunately our computing environment here hinges on using thin=20
clients to access these 64-bit servers for most software. (Our Windows=20
PCs are in the minority here.)

Please consider this a request for the development of a version of the=20
BASINS package compatible with 64-bit Windows Server OS.

Thanks,
Dan

_____________________.oOo.______________________
Dan Herrick, Computer Lab Manager
Engineering Network Services
Colorado State University

E-mail: dan.herrick@colostate.edu
Phone: 970-491-3131
Fax: 970-491-5569

The three most useless words in computer
technology: 'It should work'.

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X-Message-Number: 25
X-lyris-Id: 169636
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 16:27:33 -0600
From: Dan Herrick <dan.herrick@colostate.edu>
Subject: Re: BASINS 64-bit edition?

Scott,

Thanks for the reply. Yes, I have tried compatibility mode (Windows XP, 
2000, NT, 98SE, 95) and this has resulted in the same error.

Dan

Job, Scott wrote:
> Dan,
> You may have already tried this, but can you run it in a Windows XP
> compatibility mode (that is, if 2003 64-bit has that as an option)?
> Scott
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dan Herrick [mailto:dan.herrick@colostate.edu] 
> Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 12:39 PM
> To: Private list for BASINS users
> Subject: [basinsinfo] BASINS 64-bit edition?
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> Are there any plans to develop the BASINS package for 64-bit OS?
> 
> We have just installed BASINS 4.0 without a hitch on our computer lab 
> PCs running Windows XP, but upon installing it to a Windows Server 2003 
> 64-bit system, the BASINS 4 program crashes when opened. Specifically, 
> the MapWindow component is failing. I tried installing the MapWindow GIS
> 
> desktop application (both version 4.4 and version 4.5 RC2) separately 
> and it's throwing the same error.
> 
> We are using Windows Server 2003 R2 x64 edition in Terminal Services 
> mode. Unfortunately our computing environment here hinges on using thin 
> clients to access these 64-bit servers for most software. (Our Windows 
> PCs are in the minority here.)
> 
> Please consider this a request for the development of a version of the 
> BASINS package compatible with 64-bit Windows Server OS.
> 
> Thanks,
> Dan
> 
> 
> _____________________.oOo.______________________
> Dan Herrick, Computer Lab Manager
> Engineering Network Services
> Colorado State University
> 
> E-mail: dan.herrick@colostate.edu
> Phone: 970-491-3131
> Fax: 970-491-5569
> 
> The three most useless words in computer
> technology: 'It should work'.
> 
> 
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_____________________.oOo.______________________
Dan Herrick, Computer Lab Manager
Engineering Network Services
Colorado State University

E-mail: dan.herrick@colostate.edu
Phone: 970-491-3131
Fax: 970-491-5569

The three most useless words in computer
technology: 'It should work'.

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X-Message-Number: 26
X-lyris-Id: 169684
Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 12:02:55 -0400
From: "gouljj10" <gouljj10@mail.buffalostate.edu>
Subject: Joseph Gould

I am using Basins SWAT3.1 and this question is formatted
around Basins help. 
Help - Basins extension SWAT - Section 1.0 SWAT database
editor I chose NOT to edit the (1.2) weather data. I wanted
to use the local weather station already part of the
national database located a few miles outside the watershed.
However I want to add my own precipitation and temperature
data for rain gauges in the watershed. I followed the data
formatting in basins help section 2.1.1.2 precipitation and
2.1.1.3 temperature with no problem. Then following the
steps in Basins extensions help - 2.1 Weather Stations I
opened the Weather data definition popup box. Not changing
anything I clicked the "open file folder button" under
weather simulation data and clicked the OK. This found the
weather station closest to all the sub basins centroids and
gave me a message "finished set up of all weather
databases". Know I wanted to load my precipitation and
temperature location tables and it gave me the following
error message "A(n) Nil object does not recognize request
Get". I clicked on the help button and tried to figure out
what step I am missing but I can't. I have tried creating
the location tables in dbf format and text format. I have
also tried changing the names of the temperature and
precipitation data tables referenced by these location
tables. Please give me any feed back possible thank you

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X-Message-Number: 27
X-lyris-Id: 169685
Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 10:45:14 -0500
From: "Jay D. Davis" <jdd@uiuc.edu>
Subject: MrSid

Why can't I get a MrSid to load?  Doesn't MapWindows support MrSid?  Do I
have an extension switch toggled off?  I can't seem to troubleshoot this.

jd

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X-Message-Number: 28
X-lyris-Id: 169699
Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 16:22:00 -0400
From: "Bijhouwer, Paul  LRB" <Paul.Bijhouwer@usace.army.mil>
Subject: RE: BASINS 64-bit edition?

Dan,

Note that for BASINS 4 to support a 64 bit OS it must first be supported =
by
the Mapwindow GIS platform.  Note that Mapwindow is an extensible Open =
Source
GIS.  I'd nose around on the Mapwindow site and see if there is an =
effort
under way.  I saw a posting that said 64 bit Vista is NOT currently
supported.
http://www.mapwindow.com/

Paul Bijhouwer, P.E.=20

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Herrick [mailto:dan.herrick@colostate.edu]=20
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 6:28 PM
To: Private list for BASINS users
Subject: Re: [basinsinfo] BASINS 64-bit edition?

Scott,

Thanks for the reply. Yes, I have tried compatibility mode (Windows XP, =
2000,
NT, 98SE, 95) and this has resulted in the same error.

Dan

Job, Scott wrote:
> Dan,
> You may have already tried this, but can you run it in a Windows XP=20
> compatibility mode (that is, if 2003 64-bit has that as an option)?
> Scott
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dan Herrick [mailto:dan.herrick@colostate.edu]
> Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 12:39 PM
> To: Private list for BASINS users
> Subject: [basinsinfo] BASINS 64-bit edition?
>=20
> Hello all,
>=20
> Are there any plans to develop the BASINS package for 64-bit OS?
>=20
> We have just installed BASINS 4.0 without a hitch on our computer lab=20
> PCs running Windows XP, but upon installing it to a Windows Server=20
> 2003 64-bit system, the BASINS 4 program crashes when opened.=20
> Specifically, the MapWindow component is failing. I tried installing=20
> the MapWindow GIS
>=20
> desktop application (both version 4.4 and version 4.5 RC2) separately=20
> and it's throwing the same error.
>=20
> We are using Windows Server 2003 R2 x64 edition in Terminal Services=20
> mode. Unfortunately our computing environment here hinges on using=20
> thin clients to access these 64-bit servers for most software. (Our=20
> Windows PCs are in the minority here.)
>=20
> Please consider this a request for the development of a version of the =

> BASINS package compatible with 64-bit Windows Server OS.
>=20
> Thanks,
> Dan
>=20
>=20
> _____________________.oOo.______________________
> Dan Herrick, Computer Lab Manager
> Engineering Network Services
> Colorado State University
>=20
> E-mail: dan.herrick@colostate.edu
> Phone: 970-491-3131
> Fax: 970-491-5569
>=20
> The three most useless words in computer
> technology: 'It should work'.
>=20
>=20
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_____________________.oOo.______________________
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Engineering Network Services
Colorado State University

E-mail: dan.herrick@colostate.edu
Phone: 970-491-3131
Fax: 970-491-5569

The three most useless words in computer
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X-Message-Number: 29
X-lyris-Id: 169700
Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 16:36:41 -0400
From: Biswarup Guha <bguha@hydroqual.com>
Subject: RE: BASINS 64-bit edition?

It's true that Mapwindows is not being supported by WINDOWS VISTA 64-bit. I=
 tried to install it on my laptop and since the compilation is not done on =
a 64-bit machine, I could not load it. I was told that if I wanted to give =
it a shot to compile it on a 64-bit machine, I could do that, but I didn't =
have VISUAL studio and couldn't download the DEMO version (VISTA problem).

Roop.

-----Original Message-----
From: Bijhouwer, Paul LRB [mailto:Paul.Bijhouwer@usace.army.mil]
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 4:22 PM
To: Private list for BASINS users
Subject: RE: [basinsinfo] BASINS 64-bit edition?

Dan,

Note that for BASINS 4 to support a 64 bit OS it must first be supported by=
 the Mapwindow GIS platform.  Note that Mapwindow is an extensible Open Sou=
rce GIS.  I'd nose around on the Mapwindow site and see if there is an effo=
rt under way.  I saw a posting that said 64 bit Vista is NOT currently supp=
orted.
http://www.mapwindow.com/

Paul Bijhouwer, P.E.

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Herrick [mailto:dan.herrick@colostate.edu]
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 6:28 PM
To: Private list for BASINS users
Subject: Re: [basinsinfo] BASINS 64-bit edition?

Scott,

Thanks for the reply. Yes, I have tried compatibility mode (Windows XP, 200=
0, NT, 98SE, 95) and this has resulted in the same error.

Dan

Job, Scott wrote:
> Dan,
> You may have already tried this, but can you run it in a Windows XP
> compatibility mode (that is, if 2003 64-bit has that as an option)?
> Scott
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dan Herrick [mailto:dan.herrick@colostate.edu]
> Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 12:39 PM
> To: Private list for BASINS users
> Subject: [basinsinfo] BASINS 64-bit edition?
>
> Hello all,
>
> Are there any plans to develop the BASINS package for 64-bit OS?
>
> We have just installed BASINS 4.0 without a hitch on our computer lab
> PCs running Windows XP, but upon installing it to a Windows Server
> 2003 64-bit system, the BASINS 4 program crashes when opened.
> Specifically, the MapWindow component is failing. I tried installing
> the MapWindow GIS
>
> desktop application (both version 4.4 and version 4.5 RC2) separately
> and it's throwing the same error.
>
> We are using Windows Server 2003 R2 x64 edition in Terminal Services
> mode. Unfortunately our computing environment here hinges on using
> thin clients to access these 64-bit servers for most software. (Our
> Windows PCs are in the minority here.)
>
> Please consider this a request for the development of a version of the
> BASINS package compatible with 64-bit Windows Server OS.
>
> Thanks,
> Dan
>
>
> _____________________.oOo.______________________
> Dan Herrick, Computer Lab Manager
> Engineering Network Services
> Colorado State University
>
> E-mail: dan.herrick@colostate.edu
> Phone: 970-491-3131
> Fax: 970-491-5569
>
> The three most useless words in computer
> technology: 'It should work'.
>
>
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Jay,

Thanks for the note. MapWindow does support certain MrSID files, however
this is a proprietary format, so our use of it is relatively limited.  If
you'd like to post your image somewhere for me to look at, I'd be happy to
check it out.

Dan

On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 9:45 AM, Jay D. Davis <jdd@uiuc.edu> wrote:

> Why can't I get a MrSid to load?  Doesn't MapWindows support MrSid?  Do I
> have an extension switch toggled off?  I can't seem to troubleshoot this.
>
> jd
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Jay, <br><br>Thanks for the note. MapWindow does support certain MrSID files, 
however this is a proprietary format, so our use of it is relatively 
limited.&nbsp; If you&#39;d like to post your image somewhere for me to look 
at, I&#39;d be happy to check it out. <br>
<br>Dan<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 9:45 AM, Jay D. 
Davis &lt;<a href="mailto:jdd@uiuc.edu">jdd@uiuc.edu</a>&gt; 
wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid 
rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Why can&#39;t I get a MrSid to load? &nbsp;Doesn&#39;t MapWindows support 
MrSid? &nbsp;Do I<br>
have an extension switch toggled off? &nbsp;I can&#39;t seem to troubleshoot 
this.<br>
<br>
jd<br>
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Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 14:53:57 -0600
From: Dan Herrick <dan.herrick@colostate.edu>
Subject: Re: BASINS 64-bit edition?

Paul,

Thanks for the response. I actually spoke to one of the developers of 
MapWindow (referred to me by the BASINS support team) who recommended I 
put my request to this list to see a 64-bit version of MapWindow 
developed. So I'm starting to sense a bit of circular referencing here. :)

I did poke around on the MapWindow web site. On the site, in the
downloads page, it has this text for supported platform notes:

"
Windows XP

     Windows XP is fully supported without any additional steps. It is
still highly recommended that you keep Windows up to date with Microsoft
Windows Update.

Windows 2003 Server

     Windows XP is fully supported without any additional steps. It is
still highly recommended that you keep Windows up to date with Microsoft
Windows Update.
"

As you can see, the Windows 2003 Server (whether 32- or 64-bit, or both,
is unclear) is not even referenced properly so it's difficult to
determine whether this platform is supported at all. I'm passing that
tidbit along to the webmaster now.

Also, there is a forum note from 2006 on the MapWindow site that 
discusses someone's attempt to compile it for 64-bit platforms, which 
failed, and the development team's response that 64-bit support might be 
explored in the future.

Dan

Bijhouwer, Paul LRB wrote:
> Dan,
> 
> Note that for BASINS 4 to support a 64 bit OS it must first be supported by
> the Mapwindow GIS platform.  Note that Mapwindow is an extensible Open Source
> GIS.  I'd nose around on the Mapwindow site and see if there is an effort
> under way.  I saw a posting that said 64 bit Vista is NOT currently
> supported.
> http://www.mapwindow.com/
> 
> 
> Paul Bijhouwer, P.E. 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dan Herrick [mailto:dan.herrick@colostate.edu] 
> Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 6:28 PM
> To: Private list for BASINS users
> Subject: Re: [basinsinfo] BASINS 64-bit edition?
> 
> Scott,
> 
> Thanks for the reply. Yes, I have tried compatibility mode (Windows XP, 2000,
> NT, 98SE, 95) and this has resulted in the same error.
> 
> Dan
> 
> Job, Scott wrote:
>> Dan,
>> You may have already tried this, but can you run it in a Windows XP 
>> compatibility mode (that is, if 2003 64-bit has that as an option)?
>> Scott
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Dan Herrick [mailto:dan.herrick@colostate.edu]
>> Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 12:39 PM
>> To: Private list for BASINS users
>> Subject: [basinsinfo] BASINS 64-bit edition?
>>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> Are there any plans to develop the BASINS package for 64-bit OS?
>>
>> We have just installed BASINS 4.0 without a hitch on our computer lab 
>> PCs running Windows XP, but upon installing it to a Windows Server 
>> 2003 64-bit system, the BASINS 4 program crashes when opened. 
>> Specifically, the MapWindow component is failing. I tried installing 
>> the MapWindow GIS
>>
>> desktop application (both version 4.4 and version 4.5 RC2) separately 
>> and it's throwing the same error.
>>
>> We are using Windows Server 2003 R2 x64 edition in Terminal Services 
>> mode. Unfortunately our computing environment here hinges on using 
>> thin clients to access these 64-bit servers for most software. (Our 
>> Windows PCs are in the minority here.)
>>
>> Please consider this a request for the development of a version of the 
>> BASINS package compatible with 64-bit Windows Server OS.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Dan
>>
>>
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>>
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I am able to open the sid in Mapwindows, but not in Basins.

 

jd

 

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From: dpames@gmail.com [mailto:dpames@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Daniel Ames
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 3:43 PM
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Subject: Re: [basinsinfo] MrSid

 

Jay, 

Thanks for the note. MapWindow does support certain MrSID files, however
this is a proprietary format, so our use of it is relatively limited.  If
you'd like to post your image somewhere for me to look at, I'd be happy to
check it out. 

Dan

On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 9:45 AM, Jay D. Davis <jdd@uiuc.edu> wrote:

Why can't I get a MrSid to load?  Doesn't MapWindows support MrSid?  Do I
have an extension switch toggled off?  I can't seem to troubleshoot this.

jd

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Hi all,

I have a quick question:

1) Is RO (Rate of Outflow) for a particular reach the calculated flow for t=
hat specific reach or does it include the inflow to that reach as well (i.e=
. includes flows from upstream reaches?

2) Initially I was interested in only the hydrologic calibratio and had the=
 following tables: ATEMP, SNOW, PWATER in Pervious Control cards, ATEPM, SN=
OW, IWATER in the Impervious control card, and HYDR in the Reaches/Reservoi=
r control card. I added tables for PSTEMP, PWTGAS in the Pervious, IWTGAS i=
n Impervious and HTRCH in the Reaches. Will this be adequate for the water =
temperature calculations? For some reason I am getting abnormally high temp=
eratures (TW is as high as 240 F) in the outflow.

Thanks,

Roop.

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nbsp;Initially I was interested in only the hydrologic calibratio and had t=
he following tables: ATEMP, SNOW, PWATER&nbsp;in Pervious Control cards, AT=
EPM, SNOW, IWATER in the Impervious control card,
 and HYDR in the Reaches/Reservoir control card. I added tables for PSTEMP,=
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l this be adequate for the water temperature calculations? For some reason =
I am getting abnormally high temperatures
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X-lyris-Id: 169907
Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 17:40:05 -0400
From: Biswarup Guha <bguha@hydroqual.com>
Subject: HSPF Bug

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In HSPF, if I am using the output manager and if I delete one of the output=
 locations using the OUTPUT button, the wdm file is getting corrupt. Has an=
ybody faced similar issues?

Thanks,
Roop.

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HSPF, if I am using the output manager and if I delete one of the output lo=
cations using the OUTPUT button, the wdm file is getting corrupt. Has anybo=
dy faced similar issues?
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Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 12:31:28 +0800
From: =?big5?B?d2VyYy2qTLn5pnw=?= <smallfun959@gmail.com>
Subject: TP, TSS output

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Dear,=20

Nice to meet you and it is my first to time to post question.
I have a question about using HSPF and BASINS 4.
Here it is. If I want to calibrate total P, NH3-N and total suspended =
solids (TSS) with unit in mg/L, what kind of modules I should choose in =
"Edit Control Cards" in HSPF?
Additionally, I only want to use "Pervious Land" and =
"Reaches/Reservoirs" modules.
Moreover, in the "Pollutant Selection" button, what sources should I =
select?
And then, in the "Output Management" button, what kind of Group/Member =
should I add in order to simulate total P, NH3-N, and TSS with unit in =
mg/L?

Thanks for your help.

Sincerely yours,=20

Liao-Fan Lin
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<DIV>Nice to meet you and it is my first to time to post question.</DIV>
<DIV>I have a question about using HSPF and BASINS 4.</DIV>
<DIV>Here it is. If I want to calibrate total P,&nbsp;NH3-N =
and&nbsp;total=20
suspended solids (TSS) with unit in mg/L, what kind of modules I should =
choose=20
in "Edit Control Cards" in HSPF?</DIV>
<DIV>Additionally, I only want to use "Pervious Land" and =
"Reaches/Reservoirs"=20
modules.</DIV>
<DIV>Moreover, in the "Pollutant Selection" button, what sources should =
I=20
select?</DIV>
<DIV>And then, in the "Output Management" button, what kind of =
Group/Member=20
should I add in order to simulate total P, NH3-N, and TSS with unit in=20
mg/L?</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Thanks for your help.</DIV>
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Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 13:21:05 +0800
From: =?big5?B?d2VyYy2qTLn5pnw=?= <smallfun959@gmail.com>
Subject: question

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dear,=20

I have the two error messages:
 =
*************************************************************************=
***********
 *                                                                       =
                                                                         =
                 =20
 *  ERROR/WARNING ID:   341   4                                          =
                                                                =20
 *                                                                       =
                    =20
 *  DATE/TIME: 2007/ 1/ 2 14: 0                                          =
          =20
 *                                                                       =
          =20
 *  RCHRES:     2                                                        =
          =20
 *                                                                       =
          =20
 *  The calculation of relative depth in subroutine AUXIL, using =
Newton's          =20
 *  method of successive approximations, did not converge.  Probable =
reason --     =20
 *  unusual or bad entries in RCHTAB.  Relevant data are:                =
          =20
 *                                                                       =
          =20
 *           A            B                       C           RDEP1      =
    RDEP2      COUNT                  =20
 *  0.0000E+00   1742.4     ********** ********** **********    101      =
            =20
 *                                                                       =
          =20
 =
*************************************************************************=
***********

 =
*************************************************************************=
***********
 *                                                                       =
          =20
 *  ERROR/WARNING ID:   341   6                                          =
          =20
 *                                                                       =
          =20
 *  DATE/TIME: 2007/ 1/17 11: 0                                          =
          =20
 *                                                                       =
          =20
 *  RCHRES:     1                                                        =
          =20
 *                                                                       =
          =20
 *  The volume of water in this reach/mixed reservoir is greater than =
the value    =20
 *  in the "volume" column of the last row of RCHTAB().  To continue the =
          =20
 *  simulation the table has been extrapolated, based on information =
contained     =20
 *  in the last two rows.  This will usually result in some loss of =
accuracy.      =20
 *  If depth is being calculated it will also cause an error condition.  =
          =20
 *  Relevant data are:                                                   =
          =20
 *                                                                       =
          =20
 *  NROWS         V1               V2                 VOL                =
                         =20
 *      8           1.4086E+07      4.4891E+07   4.9307E+07              =
                           =20
 *                                                                       =
          =20
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can you help me for these questions?

sincerely yours,=20

Liao-fan
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>I have the two error messages:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT=20
size=3D2>&nbsp;**********************************************************=
**************************<BR>&nbsp;*&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;*&n=
bsp;=20
ERROR/WARNING ID:&nbsp;&nbsp; 341&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
4&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;*&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;*&nbsp;=20
DATE/TIME: 2007/ 1/ 2 14:=20
0&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;*&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;*&nbsp;=20
RCHRES:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
2&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;*&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;*&nbsp;=20
The calculation of relative depth in subroutine AUXIL, using=20
Newton's&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;<BR>&nbsp;*&nbsp;=20
method of successive approximations, did not converge.&nbsp; Probable =
reason=20
--&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;*&nbsp; unusual or bad =
entries=20
in RCHTAB.&nbsp; Relevant data=20
are:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;*&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;*&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;=20
A&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
B&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
C&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
RDEP1&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;=20
RDEP2&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
&nbsp;COUNT&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;*&nbsp;=20
0.0000E+00&nbsp; &nbsp;1742.4&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; ********** =
**********=20
**********&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
101&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;*&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;***************************=
*********************************************************</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT=20
size=3D2>&nbsp;**********************************************************=
**************************<BR>&nbsp;*&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;*&nbsp;=20
ERROR/WARNING ID:&nbsp;&nbsp; 341&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
6&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;*&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;*&nbsp;=20
DATE/TIME: 2007/ 1/17 11:=20
0&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;*&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;*&nbsp;=20
RCHRES:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
1&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;*&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;*&nbsp;=20
The volume of water in this reach/mixed reservoir is greater than the=20
value&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;*&nbsp; in the "volume" =
column of=20
the last row of RCHTAB().&nbsp; To continue=20
the&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;<BR>&nbsp;*&nbsp;=20
simulation the table has been extrapolated, based on information=20
contained&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;*&nbsp; in the =
last two=20
rows.&nbsp; This will usually result in some loss of=20
accuracy.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;*&nbsp; If =
depth is=20
being calculated it will also cause an error=20
condition.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;*&nbsp;=20
Relevant data=20
are:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;*&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;<BR>&nbsp;*&nbsp;=20
NROWS&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
V1&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
V2&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
&nbsp;=20
VOL&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>can you help me for these questions?</FONT></DIV>
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Liao-fan,
The second one is easy, I think.  The FTABLE entry for Reach 1 does not =
have enough entries in it to accomodate the storm flow that is going =
through.  As the FTABLE is a volume-discharge lookup, you need to add at =
least one more entry with a considerably larger volume.  This error is =
merely a warning that it added an additional entry for you.

The first error may well be due to the storm flows as well, although I =
don;t know what to suggest as to a fix.  Perhaps someone else on this =
list has an idea.

For what it's worth, these look like warnings, not errors, and I presume =
that your simulation is not crashing, so unless you are having a problem =
with your simulation, you may be able to accept them (although the 2nd =
error is an easy fix, so you might as well take care of it).

HTH,
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Liao-fan,<BR>
The second one is easy, I think.&nbsp; The FTABLE entry for Reach 1 does =
not have enough entries in it to accomodate the storm flow that is going =
through.&nbsp; As the FTABLE is a volume-discharge lookup, you need to =
add at least one more entry with a considerably larger volume.&nbsp; =
This error is merely a warning that it added an additional entry for =
you.<BR>
<BR>
The first error may well be due to the storm flows as well, although I =
don;t know what to suggest as to a fix.&nbsp; Perhaps someone else on =
this list has an idea.<BR>
<BR>
For what it's worth, these look like warnings, not errors, and I presume =
that your simulation is not crashing, so unless you are having a problem =
with your simulation, you may be able to accept them (although the 2nd =
error is an easy fix, so you might as well take care of it).<BR>
<BR>
HTH,<BR>
r.b.<BR>
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Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 00:16:46 +0200
From: Emma Radahl <emma_1982@hotmail.com>
Subject: Bug in WDMUtil?

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Hello,

I am wondering if anyone else have encountered a problem when reading data =
from text files to WDMUtil, that the program seems to round the data off in=
 a very strange way. When I read a textfile with values looking like:

DAY    MONTH    YEAR    SUN LY
01    01    1998    018.16
02    01    1998    035.85
03    01    1998    038.00

and open the time series when written to the WDM-file, the program seems to=
 have turned "035.85" into "35.8", which to me seems a very odd way of doin=
g math.
Is this a known bug?

I am also a bit curious about the fact that I can compute "Evaporation" in =
WDMUtil, but that this time series isn't read into WinHSPF. When is the Eva=
poration time series really used for anything?

Sincerely,
Emma Radahl

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ooking like:<br><br>DAY &nbsp;&nbsp; MONTH &nbsp;&nbsp; YEAR &nbsp;&nbsp; S=
UN LY<br>01&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 01&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1998&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 0=
18.16<br>02&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 01&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1998&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 0=
35.85<br>03&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 01&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1998&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 0=
38.00<br><br>and open the time series when written to the WDM-file, the pro=
gram seems to have turned "035.85" into "35.8", which to me seems a very od=
d way of doing math.<br>Is this a known bug?<br><br>I am also a bit curious=
 about the fact that I can compute "Evaporation" in WDMUtil, but that this =
time series isn't read into WinHSPF. When is the Evaporation time series re=
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Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 18:25:37 -0400
From: Biswarup Guha <bguha@hydroqual.com>
Subject: RE: Bug in WDMUtil?

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Emma,

Based on the online training manual, I think you will need to put the pan e=
vaporation in location 2 in your WDM file. Evaporation plays an important r=
ole in the runoff calculations. You should compare the computed evaporation=
 with any available data. In the project that I am working on, I found that=
 the WDMUtil was calculating twice as much the observed pan evaporation.

As for the reading discrepency, I haven't come accross such problems.

Roop.

________________________________
From: Emma Radahl [mailto:emma_1982@hotmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 6:17 PM
To: Private list for BASINS users
Subject: [basinsinfo] Bug in WDMUtil?

Hello,

I am wondering if anyone else have encountered a problem when reading data =
from text files to WDMUtil, that the program seems to round the data off in=
 a very strange way. When I read a textfile with values looking like:

DAY    MONTH    YEAR    SUN LY
01    01    1998    018.16
02    01    1998    035.85
03    01    1998    038.00

and open the time series when written to the WDM-file, the program seems to=
 have turned "035.85" into "35.8", which to me seems a very odd way of doin=
g math.
Is this a known bug?

I am also a bit curious about the fact that I can compute "Evaporation" in =
WDMUtil, but that this time series isn't read into WinHSPF. When is the Eva=
poration time series really used for anything?

Sincerely,
Emma Radahl

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ce=3D"Arial" color=3D"#0000ff">Based on the online training manual, I think=
 you will need to put the pan evaporation in location 2 in your WDM file. E=
vaporation plays an important role in the
 runoff calculations. You should compare the computed evaporation with any =
available data. In the project that I am working on, I found that the WDMUt=
il was calculating twice as much the observed pan evaporation.</font></span=
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ce=3D"Arial" color=3D"#0000ff">As for the reading discrepency, I haven't co=
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<br>
Hello,<br>
<br>
I am wondering if anyone else have encountered a problem when reading data =
from text files to WDMUtil, that the program seems to round the data off in=
 a very strange way. When I read a textfile with values looking like:<br>
<br>
DAY &nbsp;&nbsp; MONTH &nbsp;&nbsp; YEAR &nbsp;&nbsp; SUN LY<br>
01&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 01&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1998&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 018.16<br>
02&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 01&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1998&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 035.85<br>
03&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 01&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1998&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 038.00<br>
<br>
and open the time series when written to the WDM-file, the program seems to=
 have turned &quot;035.85&quot; into &quot;35.8&quot;, which to me seems a =
very odd way of doing math.<br>
Is this a known bug?<br>
<br>
I am also a bit curious about the fact that I can compute &quot;Evaporation=
&quot; in WDMUtil, but that this time series isn't read into WinHSPF. When =
is the Evaporation time series really used for anything?<br>
<br>
Sincerely,<br>
Emma Radahl<br>
<br>
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Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 15:45:52 -0700
From: "Job, Scott" <Scott.Job@tetratech.com>
Subject: RE: Bug in WDMUtil?

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Emma,

=20

It's possible that all the decimals are stored in the WDM, but aren't
shown by default in WDMUtility. When you list the time series, go to
Edit, Number Format, and modify the Number Width, Significant Digits,
and Decimal Places as needed.=20

=20

HSPF should use all the decimals regardless of what WDMUtility shows.
However, if you copy or save output from the time series listing in
WDMUtility, you will only get the decimals shown, so be sure to follow
the steps above if you need more numbers in the output. Note that
WDMUtility may not save the settings, so you may need to repeat the
steps whenever you copy or save output.

=20

Also, if you are using a fixed width input format for the text file
import, you may be cutting off the final decimal.

=20

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Emma,

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Based on the online training manual, I think you will need to put the
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important role in the runoff calculations. You should compare the
computed evaporation with any available data. In the project that I am
working on, I found that the WDMUtil was calculating twice as much the
observed pan evaporation.

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As for the reading discrepency, I haven't come accross such problems.

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Roop.

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Subject: [basinsinfo] Bug in WDMUtil?

Hello,

I am wondering if anyone else have encountered a problem when reading
data from text files to WDMUtil, that the program seems to round the
data off in a very strange way. When I read a textfile with values
looking like:

DAY    MONTH    YEAR    SUN LY
01    01    1998    018.16
02    01    1998    035.85
03    01    1998    038.00

and open the time series when written to the WDM-file, the program seems
to have turned "035.85" into "35.8", which to me seems a very odd way of
doing math.
Is this a known bug?

I am also a bit curious about the fact that I can compute "Evaporation"
in WDMUtil, but that this time series isn't read into WinHSPF. When is
the Evaporation time series really used for anything?

Sincerely,
Emma Radahl

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Emma,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>It&#8217;s possible that all the =
decimals
are stored in the WDM, but aren&#8217;t shown by default in WDMUtility. =
When
you list the time series, go to <b><span =
style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Edit</span></b>,
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Number Format</span></b>, and modify =
the <i><span
style=3D'font-style:italic'>Number Width</span></i>, <i><span =
style=3D'font-style:
italic'>Significant Digits</span></i>, and <i><span =
style=3D'font-style:italic'>Decimal
Places</span></i> as needed. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>HSPF should use all the decimals
regardless of what WDMUtility shows. However, if you copy or save output =
from
the time series listing in WDMUtility, you will only get the decimals =
shown, so
be sure to follow the steps above if you need more numbers in the =
output. Note
that WDMUtility may not save the settings, so you may need to repeat the =
steps
whenever you copy or save output.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Also, if you are using a fixed =
width input
format for the text file import, you may be cutting off the final =
decimal.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
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size=3D2
face=3DTahoma><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> =
Biswarup Guha
[mailto:bguha@hydroqual.com] <br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, May 21, =
2008 6:26
PM<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Private list for =
BASINS users<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: [basinsinfo] =
Bug in
WDMUtil?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>Emma,</span></font><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Based on the online training =
manual, I
think you will need to put the pan evaporation in location 2 in your WDM =
file.
Evaporation plays an important role in the runoff calculations. You =
should
compare the computed evaporation with any available data. In the project =
that I
am working on, I found that the WDMUtil was calculating twice as much =
the
observed pan evaporation.</span></font><font size=3D2 =
face=3DTahoma><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'><o:p></o:p></span></font></=
p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>As for the reading discrepency, I =
haven't come
accross such problems.</span></font><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'><o:p></o:p></span></font></=
p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'><o:p></o:p></span></font></=
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face=3DTahoma><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</spa=
n></font></b><font
size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> Emma
Radahl [mailto:emma_1982@hotmail.com] <br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, May 21, =
2008 6:17
PM<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Private list for =
BASINS users<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [basinsinfo] Bug =
in
WDMUtil?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DTahoma><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'><br>
Hello,<br>
<br>
I am wondering if anyone else have encountered a problem when reading =
data from
text files to WDMUtil, that the program seems to round the data off in a =
very
strange way. When I read a textfile with values looking like:<br>
<br>
DAY &nbsp;&nbsp; MONTH &nbsp;&nbsp; YEAR &nbsp;&nbsp; SUN LY<br>
01&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 01&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1998&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
018.16<br>
02&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 01&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1998&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
035.85<br>
03&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 01&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1998&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
038.00<br>
<br>
and open the time series when written to the WDM-file, the program seems =
to
have turned &quot;035.85&quot; into &quot;35.8&quot;, which to me seems =
a very
odd way of doing math.<br>
Is this a known bug?<br>
<br>
I am also a bit curious about the fact that I can compute
&quot;Evaporation&quot; in WDMUtil, but that this time series isn't read =
into
WinHSPF. When is the Evaporation time series really used for =
anything?<br>
<br>
Sincerely,<br>
Emma Radahl<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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X-Message-Number: 41
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Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 11:57:49 +0200
From: Emma Radahl <emma_1982@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Bug in WDMUtil?

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Scott,

Yes, that seemed to be it! When I changed the values there I got 35.85 inst=
ead of 35.8. Seems as if WDMUtil doesn't automatically round off correctly =
then when decreasing the number of decimals. (Or I might simply not underst=
and exactly how it performs the rounding off.) When I listed the series thr=
ough List in BASINS as well, I got the correct values, so it seems to be li=
ke you say. Thanks!

Emma

Subject: RE: [basinsinfo] Bug in WDMUtil?
Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 15:45:52 -0700
From: Scott.Job@tetratech.com
To: basinsinfo@lists.epa.gov

Emma,

=20

It=92s possible that all the decimals
are stored in the WDM, but aren=92t shown by default in WDMUtility. When
you list the time series, go to Edit,
Number Format, and modify the Number Width, Significant Digits, and Decimal
Places as needed.=20

=20

HSPF should use all the decimals
regardless of what WDMUtility shows. However, if you copy or save output fr=
om
the time series listing in WDMUtility, you will only get the decimals shown=
, so
be sure to follow the steps above if you need more numbers in the output. N=
ote
that WDMUtility may not save the settings, so you may need to repeat the st=
eps
whenever you copy or save output.

=20

Also, if you are using a fixed width input
format for the text file import, you may be cutting off the final decimal.

=20

Scott

=20

From: Biswarup Guha
[mailto:bguha@hydroqual.com]=20

Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 6:26
PM

To: Private list for BASINS users

Subject: RE: [basinsinfo] Bug in
WDMUtil?

=20

=20

=20

Emma,

=20

Based on the online training manual, I
think you will need to put the pan evaporation in location 2 in your WDM fi=
le.
Evaporation plays an important role in the runoff calculations. You should
compare the computed evaporation with any available data. In the project th=
at I
am working on, I found that the WDMUtil was calculating twice as much the
observed pan evaporation.

=20

As for the reading discrepency, I haven't come
accross such problems.

=20

Roop.

=20

From: Emma
Radahl [mailto:emma_1982@hotmail.com]=20

Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 6:17
PM

To: Private list for BASINS users

Subject: [basinsinfo] Bug in
WDMUtil?

Hello,

I am wondering if anyone else have encountered a problem when reading data =
from
text files to WDMUtil, that the program seems to round the data off in a ve=
ry
strange way. When I read a textfile with values looking like:

DAY    MONTH    YEAR    SUN LY

01    01    1998    018.16

02    01    1998    035.85

03    01    1998    038.00

and open the time series when written to the WDM-file, the program seems to
have turned "035.85" into "35.8", which to me seems a very
odd way of doing math.

Is this a known bug?

I am also a bit curious about the fact that I can compute
"Evaporation" in WDMUtil, but that this time series isn't read into
WinHSPF. When is the Evaporation time series really used for anything?

Sincerely,

Emma Radahl

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Scott,<br><br>Yes, that seemed to be it! When I changed the values there I =
got 35.85 instead of 35.8. Seems as if WDMUtil doesn't automatically round =
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pan style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">It=92s poss=
ible that all the decimals
are stored in the WDM, but aren=92t shown by default in WDMUtility. When
you list the time series, go to <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Edit<=
/span></b>,
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the <i><span style=3D"font-style: italic;">Number Width</span></i>, <i><spa=
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Places</span></i> as needed. </span></font></p>

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pan style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">HSPF should=
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regardless of what WDMUtility shows. However, if you copy or save output fr=
om
the time series listing in WDMUtility, you will only get the decimals shown=
, so
be sure to follow the steps above if you need more numbers in the output. N=
ote
that WDMUtility may not save the settings, so you may need to repeat the st=
eps
whenever you copy or save output.</span></font></p>

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pan style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">Also, if yo=
u are using a fixed width input
format for the text file import, you may be cutting off the final decimal.<=
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think you will need to put the pan evaporation in location 2 in your WDM fi=
le.
Evaporation plays an important role in the runoff calculations. You should
compare the computed evaporation with any available data. In the project th=
at I
am working on, I found that the WDMUtil was calculating twice as much the
observed pan evaporation.</span></font><font face=3D"Tahoma" size=3D"2"><sp=
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Hello,<br>
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I am wondering if anyone else have encountered a problem when reading data =
from
text files to WDMUtil, that the program seems to round the data off in a ve=
ry
strange way. When I read a textfile with values looking like:<br>
<br>
DAY &nbsp;&nbsp; MONTH &nbsp;&nbsp; YEAR &nbsp;&nbsp; SUN LY<br>
01&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 01&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1998&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 018.16<br>
02&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 01&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1998&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 035.85<br>
03&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 01&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1998&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 038.00<br>
<br>
and open the time series when written to the WDM-file, the program seems to
have turned "035.85" into "35.8", which to me seems a very
odd way of doing math.<br>
Is this a known bug?<br>
<br>
I am also a bit curious about the fact that I can compute
"Evaporation" in WDMUtil, but that this time series isn't read into
WinHSPF. When is the Evaporation time series really used for anything?<br>
<br>
Sincerely,<br>
Emma Radahl</span></font></p>

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From: Emma Radahl <emma_1982@hotmail.com>
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Hello,

Re: The pan evaporation. Yes, I put it in location 2 (DSN 12). The thing is=
 though that when I initiate a WinHSPF project from BASINS 4, and enter my =
WDM meteorologic file (in the window where the user should input a project =
file and a metfile for example), and press OK, the next popup window that a=
ppears does not list the Evaporation file, just the Evapotranspiration one.=
=20

Does anyone know anything else about this? It's really important for me tha=
t I get this right...I did save the window that popped up when specifying t=
he metfile, so if someone would be willing to tell me if I did input stuff =
correctly I'd be very thankful.

-Emma

From: bguha@hydroqual.com
To: basinsinfo@lists.epa.gov
Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 18:25:37 -0400
Subject: RE: [basinsinfo] Bug in WDMUtil?

Emma,
=20
Based on the online training manual, I think you will need to put the pan e=
vaporation in location 2 in your WDM file. Evaporation plays an important r=
ole in the
 runoff calculations. You should compare the computed evaporation with any =
available data. In the project that I am working on, I found that the WDMUt=
il was calculating twice as much the observed pan evaporation.
=20
As for the reading discrepency, I haven't come accross such problems.
=20
Roop.

From: Emma Radahl [mailto:emma_1982@hotmail.com]=20

Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 6:17 PM

To: Private list for BASINS users

Subject: [basinsinfo] Bug in WDMUtil?

Hello,

I am wondering if anyone else have encountered a problem when reading data =
from text files to WDMUtil, that the program seems to round the data off in=
 a very strange way. When I read a textfile with values looking like:

DAY    MONTH    YEAR    SUN LY

01    01    1998    018.16

02    01    1998    035.85

03    01    1998    038.00

and open the time series when written to the WDM-file, the program seems to=
 have turned "035.85" into "35.8", which to me seems a very odd way of doin=
g math.

Is this a known bug?

I am also a bit curious about the fact that I can compute "Evaporation" in =
WDMUtil, but that this time series isn't read into WinHSPF. When is the Eva=
poration time series really used for anything?

Sincerely,

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Hello,<br><br>Re: The pan evaporation. Yes, I put it in location 2 (DSN 12)=
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 and enter my WDM meteorologic file (in the window where the user should in=
put a project file and a metfile for example), and press OK, the next popup=
 window that appears does not list the Evaporation file, just the Evapotran=
spiration one. <br><br>Does anyone know anything else about this? It's real=
ly important for me that I get this right...I did save the window that popp=
ed up when specifying the metfile, so if someone would be willing to tell m=
e if I did input stuff correctly I'd be very thankful.<br><br>-Emma<br><br>=
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 color=3D"#0000ff" face=3D"Arial">Based on the online training manual, I th=
ink you will need to put the pan evaporation in location 2 in your WDM file=
. Evaporation plays an important role in the
 runoff calculations. You should compare the computed evaporation with any =
available data. In the project that I am working on, I found that the WDMUt=
il was calculating twice as much the observed pan evaporation.</font></span=
></div>
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Hello,<br>
<br>
I am wondering if anyone else have encountered a problem when reading data =
from text files to WDMUtil, that the program seems to round the data off in=
 a very strange way. When I read a textfile with values looking like:<br>
<br>
DAY &nbsp;&nbsp; MONTH &nbsp;&nbsp; YEAR &nbsp;&nbsp; SUN LY<br>
01&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 01&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1998&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 018.16<br>
02&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 01&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1998&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 035.85<br>
03&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 01&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1998&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 038.00<br>
<br>
and open the time series when written to the WDM-file, the program seems to=
 have turned "035.85" into "35.8", which to me seems a very odd way of doin=
g math.<br>
Is this a known bug?<br>
<br>
I am also a bit curious about the fact that I can compute "Evaporation" in =
WDMUtil, but that this time series isn't read into WinHSPF. When is the Eva=
poration time series really used for anything?<br>
<br>
Sincerely,<br>
Emma Radahl<br>
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Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 13:32:54 +0200
From: Emma Radahl <emma_1982@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Pan evaporation problems

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Hello again,

Just to clarify. What I mean is, is it OK to use, as the input time series =
for Potential Evapotranspiration (Pot Evap) in HSPF, a time series of Poten=
tial Evapotranspiration values computed in WDMUtil through the "Jensen PET"=
 or "Hamon PET" functions?

What confuses me is that in WDMUtil there exists the possibility to compute=
 both "Jensen PET", "Hamon PET" and "Penman Pan Evaporation". I used the ti=
me series that WDMUtil computed using "Jensen PET" as my "Pot Evap" times s=
eries when I initiated WinHSPF from BASINS 4. I hope this is an OK way to d=
o it.

/Emma

From: emma_1982@hotmail.com
To: basinsinfo@lists.epa.gov
Subject: [basinsinfo] Pan evaporation problems
Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 12:07:35 +0200

Hello,

Re: The pan evaporation. Yes, I put it in location 2 (DSN 12). The thing is=
 though that when I initiate a WinHSPF project from BASINS 4, and enter my =
WDM meteorologic file (in the window where the user should input a project =
file and a metfile for example), and press OK, the next popup window that a=
ppears does not list the Evaporation file, just the Evapotranspiration one.=
=20

Does anyone know anything else about this? It's really important for me tha=
t I get this right...I did save the window that popped up when specifying t=
he metfile, so if someone would be willing to tell me if I did input stuff =
correctly I'd be very thankful.

-Emma

From: bguha@hydroqual.com
To: basinsinfo@lists.epa.gov
Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 18:25:37 -0400
Subject: RE: [basinsinfo] Bug in WDMUtil?

Emma,
=20
Based on the online training manual, I think you will need to put the pan e=
vaporation in location 2 in your WDM file. Evaporation plays an important r=
ole in the
 runoff calculations. You should compare the computed evaporation with any =
available data. In the project that I am working on, I found that the WDMUt=
il was calculating twice as much the observed pan evaporation.
=20
As for the reading discrepency, I haven't come accross such problems.
=20
Roop.

From: Emma Radahl [mailto:emma_1982@hotmail.com]=20

Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 6:17 PM

To: Private list for BASINS users

Subject: [basinsinfo] Bug in WDMUtil?

Hello,

I am wondering if anyone else have encountered a problem when reading data =
from text files to WDMUtil, that the program seems to round the data off in=
 a very strange way. When I read a textfile with values looking like:

DAY    MONTH    YEAR    SUN LY

01    01    1998    018.16

02    01    1998    035.85

03    01    1998    038.00

and open the time series when written to the WDM-file, the program seems to=
 have turned "035.85" into "35.8", which to me seems a very odd way of doin=
g math.

Is this a known bug?

I am also a bit curious about the fact that I can compute "Evaporation" in =
WDMUtil, but that this time series isn't read into WinHSPF. When is the Eva=
poration time series really used for anything?

Sincerely,

Emma Radahl

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Hello again,<br><br>Just to clarify. What I mean is, is it OK to use, as th=
e input time series for Potential Evapotranspiration (Pot Evap) in HSPF, a =
time series of Potential Evapotranspiration values computed in WDMUtil thro=
ugh the "Jensen PET" or "Hamon PET" functions?<br><br>What confuses me is t=
hat in WDMUtil there exists the possibility to compute both "Jensen PET", "=
Hamon PET" and "Penman Pan Evaporation". I used the time series that WDMUti=
l computed using "Jensen PET" as my "Pot Evap" times series when I initiate=
d WinHSPF from BASINS 4. I hope this is an OK way to do it.<br><br>/Emma<br=
><br><br><br><blockquote><hr>From: emma_1982@hotmail.com<br>To: basinsinfo@=
lists.epa.gov<br>Subject: [basinsinfo] Pan evaporation problems<br>Date: Th=
u, 22 May 2008 12:07:35 +0200<br><br>

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Hello,<br><br>Re: The pan evaporation. Yes, I put it in location 2 (DSN 12)=
. The thing is though that when I initiate a WinHSPF project from BASINS 4,=
 and enter my WDM meteorologic file (in the window where the user should in=
put a project file and a metfile for example), and press OK, the next popup=
 window that appears does not list the Evaporation file, just the Evapotran=
spiration one. <br><br>Does anyone know anything else about this? It's real=
ly important for me that I get this right...I did save the window that popp=
ed up when specifying the metfile, so if someone would be willing to tell m=
e if I did input stuff correctly I'd be very thankful.<br><br>-Emma<br><br>=
<blockquote><hr>From: bguha@hydroqual.com<br>To: basinsinfo@lists.epa.gov<b=
r>Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 18:25:37 -0400<br>Subject: RE: [basinsinfo] Bug in=
 WDMUtil?<br><br>

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<div dir=3D"ltr" align=3D"left"><span class=3D"EC_EC_654572022-21052008"><f=
ont color=3D"#0000ff" face=3D"Arial">Emma,</font></span></div>
<div dir=3D"ltr" align=3D"left"><span class=3D"EC_EC_654572022-21052008"><f=
ont color=3D"#0000ff" face=3D"Arial"></font></span>&nbsp;</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr" align=3D"left"><span class=3D"EC_EC_654572022-21052008"><f=
ont color=3D"#0000ff" face=3D"Arial">Based on the online training manual, I=
 think you will need to put the pan evaporation in location 2 in your WDM f=
ile. Evaporation plays an important role in the
 runoff calculations. You should compare the computed evaporation with any =
available data. In the project that I am working on, I found that the WDMUt=
il was calculating twice as much the observed pan evaporation.</font></span=
></div>
<div dir=3D"ltr" align=3D"left"><span class=3D"EC_EC_654572022-21052008"><f=
ont color=3D"#0000ff" face=3D"Arial"></font></span>&nbsp;</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr" align=3D"left"><span class=3D"EC_EC_654572022-21052008"><f=
ont color=3D"#0000ff" face=3D"Arial">As for the reading discrepency, I have=
n't come accross such problems.</font></span></div>
<div dir=3D"ltr" align=3D"left"><span class=3D"EC_EC_654572022-21052008"><f=
ont color=3D"#0000ff" face=3D"Arial"></font></span>&nbsp;</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr" align=3D"left"><span class=3D"EC_EC_654572022-21052008"><f=
ont color=3D"#0000ff" face=3D"Arial">Roop.</font></span></div>
<br>
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<hr>
<font face=3D"Tahoma"><b>From:</b> Emma Radahl [mailto:emma_1982@hotmail.co=
m] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, May 21, 2008 6:17 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Private list for BASINS users<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [basinsinfo] Bug in WDMUtil?<br>
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<br>
Hello,<br>
<br>
I am wondering if anyone else have encountered a problem when reading data =
from text files to WDMUtil, that the program seems to round the data off in=
 a very strange way. When I read a textfile with values looking like:<br>
<br>
DAY &nbsp;&nbsp; MONTH &nbsp;&nbsp; YEAR &nbsp;&nbsp; SUN LY<br>
01&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 01&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1998&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 018.16<br>
02&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 01&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1998&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 035.85<br>
03&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 01&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1998&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 038.00<br>
<br>
and open the time series when written to the WDM-file, the program seems to=
 have turned "035.85" into "35.8", which to me seems a very odd way of doin=
g math.<br>
Is this a known bug?<br>
<br>
I am also a bit curious about the fact that I can compute "Evaporation" in =
WDMUtil, but that this time series isn't read into WinHSPF. When is the Eva=
poration time series really used for anything?<br>
<br>
Sincerely,<br>
Emma Radahl<br>
<br>
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Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 16:40:46 -0000
From: "MICHELIN Christophe" <christophe.michelin@egis.fr>
Subject: Bassin 4 grids and Surfer 7 grids

What's wrong between Surfer 7 grids and Basins 4 grids? Basins bug or misfit 
for me?

When I import a Surfer 7 grid with the GIS TOOLS/ Raster/ Change Grids format, 
Basins 4 read correctly only X & Y data's but all Z values are turned to zero.

If I transform a Basins 4 grid into Ascii grid and replace Basins zero values 
with surfer values, the final result is correct except that the map is 
mirroring along Y axe. If I perform an Y mirroring surfer grid with surfer and 
replace values into Basins 4 ascii grid, the result is perfect.

It's not so long to do that but not very convenient.

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Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 11:17:06 -0400
From: Biswarup Guha <bguha@hydroqual.com>
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Hi all,

I 've been asking a lot of questions lately and thank you to all who have a=
nswered, especially Paul, who has been extremely helpful.

I am trying to calibrate my model and found several problems one of which w=
as that the BASINS was calculating high DELTH. The unit shown in the uci fi=
le was in ft and the DELTH was around as high as 2000 ft or so for stream l=
engths less than 5 miles, which I couldn't believe based on the topo maps. =
The problem was that when I read in the elevation file (NED) in BASINS, it =
was not converting the units (factor of 100) while reading in.

I changed them in the UCI file, but then saw that there's another file (*rc=
h) where delth is being written. In the *rch file I changed the slope as we=
ll. Is there any other place where it needs to be changed?

Thanks,
Roop

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<div><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><span class=3D"706465414-23052008"></s=
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<div><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><span class=3D"706465414-23052008">I '=
ve been asking a lot of questions lately and thank you to all who have answ=
ered, especially Paul, who has been extremely helpful.</span></font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><span class=3D"706465414-23052008"></s=
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<div><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><span class=3D"706465414-23052008">I a=
m trying to calibrate my model and found several problems one of which was =
that the BASINS was calculating high DELTH. The unit shown in the uci file =
was in ft and the DELTH was&nbsp;around as
 high as&nbsp;2000 ft or so for stream lengths less than 5 miles, which I c=
ouldn't believe based on the topo maps. The problem was that when I read in=
 the elevation file (NED) in BASINS, it was not converting the units (facto=
r of 100) while reading in.</span></font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><span class=3D"706465414-23052008"></s=
pan></font>&nbsp;</div>
<div><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><span class=3D"706465414-23052008">I c=
hanged them in the UCI file, but then saw that there's another file (*rch) =
where delth is being written. In the *rch file I changed the slope as well.=
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<div><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><span class=3D"706465414-23052008">Tha=
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Happy Friday BASINners

 

I am trying to add and display a shapefile (I have both the polygon and line
ilk) of the 1:24K index of 7.5minute quads for Illinois.  I have imported
several watershed datasets and the software set them up as a project.  My
quadindex will not display, neither as a line shape nor as a quad shape.  I
notice that the dataset layers are arranged (in the table of contents) by
theme (hydrology, observed data stations, political, transportation..).
However, I cannot seem to see any such division in the file system/directory
structure on disk.

 

Your advice is much coveted and solicited.

 

jd

 

Jay D. Davis, BS,MA

Research Specialist in Agriculture

Department of Agricultural and Biological Engineering

University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign

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1304 West Pennsylvania Avenue

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imported several watershed datasets and the software set them up as a
project.&nbsp; My quadindex will not display, neither as a line shape =
nor as a
quad shape.&nbsp; I notice that the dataset layers are arranged (in the =
table
of contents) by theme (<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>hydrology, =
observed
data stations, political, transportation&#8230;.</span></b>).&nbsp; =
However, I
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structure on
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Agriculture</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 11:23:12 -0400
From: jvandyke@ectinc.com
Subject: BASINS to HSPF -  question

I will be out of the office from Friday  23 May 2008 and will return on Tuesday 
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Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 11:08:11 -0500
From: "Jay D. Davis" <jdd@uiuc.edu>
Subject: RE: Display of shapefiles/Project data organization

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Ok

 

I think I get the idea.  My index must be the bottom layer with transparent
fill.  Still, is there any significance in the groupings in the display
table of contents?

 

jd

 

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From: Jay D. Davis [mailto:jdd@uiuc.edu] 
Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008 10:22 AM
To: Private list for BASINS users
Subject: [basinsinfo] Display of shapefiles/Project data organization

 

Happy Friday BASINners

 

I am trying to add and display a shapefile (I have both the polygon and line
ilk) of the 1:24K index of 7.5minute quads for Illinois.  I have imported
several watershed datasets and the software set them up as a project.  My
quadindex will not display, neither as a line shape nor as a quad shape.  I
notice that the dataset layers are arranged (in the table of contents) by
theme (hydrology, observed data stations, political, transportation..).
However, I cannot seem to see any such division in the file system/directory
structure on disk.

 

Your advice is much coveted and solicited.

 

jd

 

Jay D. Davis, BS,MA

Research Specialist in Agriculture

Department of Agricultural and Biological Engineering

University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign

232A Agricultural Engineering Sciences Building, MC644

1304 West Pennsylvania Avenue

Urbana, Illinois 61801

E:  jdd@illinois.edu

(217) 333-7956 (voice mail)

(217) 244-0323 (fax)

 

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imported several watershed datasets and the software set them up as a
project.&nbsp; My quadindex will not display, neither as a line shape =
nor as a
quad shape.&nbsp; I notice that the dataset layers are arranged (in the =
table
of contents) by theme (<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>hydrology, =
observed
data stations, political, transportation&#8230;.</span></b>).&nbsp; =
However, I
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structure on
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
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Agriculture</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
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or with US data, if the value in BASINS 4 GIS is, for example "2.5224", the=
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From: jvandyke@ectinc.com
Subject: BASINS 4 GIS to HSPF, slope values

I will be out of the office from Friday  23 May 2008 and will return on Tuesday 
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Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 08:39:21 -0400
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Emma,

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If your GIS function is producing percent slope, then yes you want to
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I have a question regarding the SLSUR values in HSPF. When reading the
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my own data or with US data, if the value in BASINS 4 GIS is, for
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Sincerely,
Emma

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color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span></p>

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color:#1F497D'>If your GIS function is producing percent slope, then yes =
you
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Johns River Water Management District</span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:#244236'>tjobes@sjrwmd.com</=
span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:#244236'>W:
386-329-4463</span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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386-937-6341</span></p>

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Emma Radahl
[mailto:emma_1982@hotmail.com] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, May 26, 2008 2:13 PM<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> [basinsinfo] BASINS 4 GIS to HSPF, slope =
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values
in HSPF. When reading the user's manual, it says that the SLSUR fields =
will get
values from the AveSlope (when delineating automatically). However, when =
I do
this with my own data or with US data, if the value in BASINS 4 GIS is, =
for
example &quot;2.5224&quot;, the SLSUR value reads &quot;0.025224&quot;. =
Is this
the way data should be translated from BASINS 4 GIS to HSPF?<br>
<br>
Sincerely,<br>
Emma</span></p>

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Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 10:23:13 +0200
From: Emma Radahl <emma_1982@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: BASINS 4 GIS to HSPF, slope values

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Tom,

That would explain it yes, since it does seems as if MapWindow produces slo=
pe values in %.
Thanks!
/Emma
Subject: RE: [basinsinfo] BASINS 4 GIS to HSPF, slope values
Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 08:39:21 -0400
From: tjobes@sjrwmd.com
To: basinsinfo@lists.epa.gov

Emma,

=20

If your GIS function is producing percent slope, then yes you
want to divide by 100 to get the rise/run that HSPF uses.

=20

Tom
Jobes

St
Johns River Water Management District

tjobes@sjrwmd.com

W:
386-329-4463

C:
386-937-6341

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do
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Sincerely,

Emma

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values from the AveSlope (when delineating automatically). However, when I =
do
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Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 16:53:00 -0400
From: Partington.Ed@epamail.epa.gov
Subject: BASINS Use in Australia??????

Contact information is below.
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I am scoping a catchment to coast modelling project in a region within
Queensland, Australia. I found the Basins suite of models useful but I
am unsure if I can use BASINS outside the United States.

Kind regards,

Leo Dutra
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Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 14:43:42 -0700 (PDT)
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Hello all.
I am using PEST with BASINS. When I try to run the calibration I get the 
following error: 
"Problem running TSPROC for PEST set up.
Error: the time span of the time base series is greater than that of the series 
to be interpolated. Reduce the time span of the time base series to that of the 
series to be interpolated using a REDUCE_SPAN block."
I tried adjusting the INDELT value in the opn squence block, thinking this 
might be the problem, but that just creates more errors. Does anyone know what 
the problem is or what I could do to fix it?
Thanks for your help.
Lauren 

      
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Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 07:10:54 -0400 (EDT)
From: jferrari@al.umces.edu
Subject: Re: BASINS & PEST

Lauren,

In the PEST control file there should be a section like this...

START NEW_TIME_BASE
  CONTEXT all
  SERIES_NAME obsQ
  TB_SERIES_NAME predQ
  NEW_SERIES_NAME obsQ1
END NEW_TIME_BASE

This section puts the time series predQ and obsQ in the same "time base". 
Your error is telling you that the time base series (predQ) is greater
than the one to be interpolated (obsQ).  TSPROC is very sensitive to
discrepancies in the date ranges between the time series.  The place to
make a correction is either in the WDM or in the PEST setup (in the PEST
control file).

Joe

> Hello all.
> I am using PEST with BASINS. When I try to run the calibration I get the
> following error:
> "Problem running TSPROC for PEST set up.
> Error: the time span of the time base series is greater than that of the
> series to be interpolated. Reduce the time span of the time base series to
> that of the series to be interpolated using a REDUCE_SPAN block."
> I tried adjusting the INDELT value in the opn squence block, thinking this
> might be the problem, but that just creates more errors. Does anyone know
> what the problem is or what I could do to fix it?
> Thanks for your help.
> Lauren
>
>
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<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, 
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PEST control file there should be a section like this...<BR><BR>START 
NEW_TIME_BASE<BR>&nbsp; CONTEXT all<BR>&nbsp; SERIES_NAME obsQ<BR>&nbsp; 
TB_SERIES_NAME predQ<BR>&nbsp; NEW_SERIES_NAME obsQ1<BR>END 
NEW_TIME_BASE<BR><BR>This section puts the time series predQ and obsQ in the 
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very sensitive to<BR>discrepancies in the date ranges between the time 
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error:<BR>&gt; "Problem running TSPROC for PEST set up.<BR>&gt; Error: the time 
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interpolated. Reduce the time span of the time base series to<BR>&gt; that of 
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The STCOR parameter in the HYDR section of RCHRES, what does it do? Does it=
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flow used in the simulation? Or is it just used to provide the user with an=
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Emma -<br>
It is just a constant value added to depth in case the observed values
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Tony,
Does it have an effect on the computed outflow values at all from the RCHRE=
S:s? (That is, if the computed outflows are from the FTABLES, will STCOR af=
fect these values? Or does it _only_ provide the user with another way to d=
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Emma -It is just a constant value added to depth in case the observed value=
s are in elevations, or referenced to another benchmark -- as you noted in =
your email.Tony

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 Emma Radahl wrote:=20

Hello,The STCOR parameter in the HYDR section of RCHRES, what does it do? D=
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Does it have an effect on the computed outflow values at all from the RCHRE=
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Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 22:24:17 -0400
From: "Tom Jobes" <tjobes@sjrwmd.com>
Subject: Re: STCOR?

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