From: Jaffe, Lyle D
Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 7:21 AM
To: Dockets, FDA
Subject: FW: More on Saccharin (To FDA: Is aspartame or the components
of aspartame found in saccharin/saccharine?)



-----Original Message-----
From: Dr. Betty Martini [mailto:Bettym19@mindspring.com]
Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2004 4:27 PM
To: DHATTAN-CFSAN.FDA.GOV; RXH@CFSAN.FDA.GOV; Jaffe Lyle D
Subject: More on Saccharin (To FDA: Is aspartame or the components of
aspartame found in saccharin/saccharine?)


I have been on the FDA web site and don't see the ingredients in 
Saccharin.  I need to know if aspartame or the components of aspartame are 
in saccharin/saccharine.

Dr. Betty Martini, Founder, Mission Possible Intl, 9270 River Club Parkway, 
Duluth, Georgia 30097  770 242-2599   www.dorway.com   and www.wnho.net

From: "Victoria Carr" <victoriacarr@earthlink.net>
X-eGroups-Approved-By: bryanth798 <bryanth@brooksdata.net> via web; 04 Jul 
2004
Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 10:14:32 -0700
Subject: Re: [Aspartame Support] Aspartame Now in Saccharin?


I guess it is good to repeat some of our past information since we are
constantly getting new members.  I was able to get the patent for the
components of Sweet n' Low back awhile ago.
For newer members - back at the time that Cyclamates was banned,
they FDA was allowing more "trickery" in the labeling of these poisonings
so they list only (3 ingredients) on the back of the Swee n' Low package.
Each of these three ingredients has its own patent.  I have attached again
the list of ingredients (components) that make up Calcium Saccharin.
Which is actually called Aluminum Calcium Saccharin.
I am still trying to get the patent on Splenda - it is getting more and more
difficult for we "wise" consumers to have access to the truth.
Bless, Victoria
Calcium Saccharine -  on the FDA site it is listed as Aluminum Calcium
Saccharine
IDENTIFIER(S)- sweetener powder food beverage
CAS REG/EC #- 50-99-7  D-Glucose
CAS REG/EC #  81-07-2  1,2-Benzisothiazol-3(2H)-one
CAS REG/EC # 100-88-9  Sulfamic acid --cyclohexyl-
CAS REG/EC # 118-71-8  4H-Pyran-4-one --3-hydroxy-2-methyl-
CAS REG/EC #128-44-9  1,2-Benzisothiazol-3(2H)-one
CAS REG/EC # 1405-86-3 D-Glucopyranosiduronic acid --(3.beta.,20.beta.)-
20-carboxy-11-oxo-30-norolean-12-en-3-yl 2-O-.beta.-D-glucopyranuronosyl-
CAS REG/EC # 4940-11-8  4H-Pyran-4-one --2-ethyl-3-hydroxy-
CAS REG/EC # 6485-34-3 1,2-Benzisothiazol-3(2H)-one
CAS REG/EC # 7631-86-9 Silica
CAS REG/EC # 9005-25-8 Starch
CAS REG/EC # 13433-09-5 L-Phenylalanine --L-.alpha.-aspartyl-
CAS REG/EC # 20702-77-6 1-Propanone --1-4-2-O-(6-deox-
y-.alpha.-L-mannopyr-
anosyl)-.beta.-D-glu-
copyranosyloxy-2,6-dihydroxyphenyl-3-(3-hydroxy-4-methoxyphenyl)-
CAS REG/EC #22839-47-0 L-Phenylalanine --L-.alpha.-aspartyl-
CAS REG/EC # 33665-90-6 1,2,3-Oxathiazin-4(3H)-one --6-methyl-
CAS REG/EC # 57817-89-7 Kaur-16-en-18-oic
acid --13-(2-O-.beta.-D-glucopyranosyl-
.beta.-D-glucopyranosyl)oxy-


----- Original Message -----
From: "Dr. Betty Martini" <bettym19@mindspring.com>
To: "E Bryant Holman" <bryanth@presidiotex.com>
Cc: "Aspartame Support Group" <aspartame@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2004 6:12 AM
Subject: [Aspartame Support] Aspartame Now in Saccharin?


 > Bryant, This may be an email I didn't get.  If anyone on the list has this
 > information I would appreciate it, because I would definitely write an
 > article on it, especially if its in the patent and not on the box.  I know
 > that Sweet N Low in Greece is aspartame.
 >
 > At 05:18 AM 7/4/2004, E Bryant Holman wrote:
 > >It was posted on our list last year, and I think that Victoria Carr is
the
 > >one who showed us this. I thought you remembered that. She found a page
that
 > >showed the patent that Sweet-n-Low had on their product, and you could
see
 > >very clearly that they listed Aspartame as one of the ingredients. They
had
 > >apparently found a way to construct and molecule that allowed them to
bond
 > >together a sodium saccharin molecule to an aspartame molecule. By doing
 > >this, they could call it saccharin, but it was actually modified
saccharin.
 > >I was, of course, very skeptical about all of this, and refused to
believe
 > >it was true. However, when I went to the website that showed the report
on
 > >the substance that they owners of the patent were describing, it was
quite
 > >unmistakable that aspartame was clearly listed as an ingredient.
 > >
 > >I should hope that I am not the only one on the list now who remembers
this
 > >exchange. But, clearly, we discussed this and the other person made their
 > >case (as I say, I think the person was Victoria, but I may be wrong about
 > >that) very well, and I, who had been skeptical, walked away from the
 > >exchanged convinced that this was so.
 > >
 > >I could search the archives for the links, but I hope that I don't have
to,
 > >because this would be enormously tedious.
 > >
 > >Bryant
 > >
 > >----- Original Message -----
 > >From: "Dr. Betty Martini" <Bettym19@mindspring.com>
 > >To: "Bryant Holman" <bryanth@presidiotex.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2004 11:19 AM
Subject: Fwd: Re: [Aspartame Support] Just some comments and some
questions....
  Bryant, if they are using aspartame in Sweet N Low I need some proof
so I can write an article about it and warn the world.  Where did you get
this information.

Thanks,
  Betty


To: <aspartame@yahoogroups.com>

From: "E Bryant Holman" <bryanth@presidiotex.com>


 > > > >Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2004 10:02:42 -0500
 > > > >Subject: Re: [Aspartame Support] Just some comments and some
 > >questions....


 > > > >Dear Lori,
 > > > >
 > > > >That is very commendable that you are doing that. Aspartame, because
it
 > > > >contains methanol, which is actually a type of alcohol, is addictive
and
 > > > >at the same toxic. It becomes, for a recovering alcoholic or drug
abuser,
 > > > >their new "drug of choice".
 > > > >
 > > > >Here is an article about that which you might also print and
distribute:
 > > > >
 > > > >http://nancymarkle.com/tldaddic.txt
 > > > >
 > > > >Splenda is a bad choice as a substitute.
 > > > >
 > > > >http://www.holisticmed.com/splenda/
 > > > >
 > > > >The best choice, in my opinion, is stevia, a completely natural
 > >substance:
 > > > >
 > > > >http://steviva.com
 > > > >
 >We discovered that Sweet-n-Low, although they do not say so, actually
contains aspartame, because they simply bind aspartame to the
saccharin
molecule and that effectively makes it, according to their thinking,
no
longer aspartame.  If you have any more questions on this, please let us 
know and we
will
 > >try
 >and help.
Bryant

    ----- Original Message -----
   From: Lori Williams
   To: aspartame@yahoogroups.com
 > > > >   Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2004 8:47 AM
 > > > >   Subject: [Aspartame Support] Just some comments and some
questions....

    I just want to thank everyone who is involved in this group.  I
hope
  that you all realize how much help and support that you all provide
in this group.
    I'm a drug and alcohol rehabilitation counselor and I have a
clinic here in Texas where we treat heroin and opiate addiction.  I
recently printed out the warning sheet regarding aspartame and put it in the
  clinic.  I've been surprised at how many of my clients have come
forward
  and made comments and statements about it and their own personal use
of
products containing aspartame as well as their symptoms.  Thanks to
the sheet, many of them are evaluating their symptoms and aspartame use.
    I have been off of the diet cokes and other aspartame products now
for
  almost a month.  I've definitely seen a difference in some of my
symptoms!!
    My confusion is.....does sweet-n-low contain aspartame and is
splenda
 >a good substitute for a sweetener?
      Lori