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Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 15:26:04 -0400
From: mcai <mcai@utk.edu>
Subject: HSPF: how to decrease ammonia output from NITRX?

Dear All,

For one year in my watershed, the total atmospherice deposition of the 
nitrogen is 18.3lb/ac, about half of them are ammonia. I want to remove all or 
most of ammonia in the PERLND, because our observed ammonia outflow is close 
to 0. Even though I raised the first-order plant uptake rate and nitrification 
rate to unreasonalbe huge, the ammonia outflow from the land cannot be 
decreased to below 1.2 lb/ac. It looks there is certain critiria in the 
program to prevent too low ammonia concentration in the land. Do you have any 
idea what's setting in the program? Do you have any way to decrease ammonia 
outflow through NITRX module?

Thanks in advance,
Mei



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Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 16:23:41 -0400
From: "Tom Jobes" <tjobes@sjrwmd.com>
Subject: RE: HSPF: how to decrease ammonia output from NITRX?

Mei,

A few things to consider...Are your adsorption parms for ammonia
appropriate?
Do you have ammonia volatilization turned on?  Are your atmospheric
deposition
values in the correct units?  What flow component (surface, interflow,
baseflow)
is the dominant ammonia carrier?  If surface, it may be necessary to
apply part
of the atmospheric deposition directly to the upper layer to represent
immediate
leaching below the surface layer at a faster rate than the hourly
timestep can
represent accurately.

There is no specific criteria to prevent too low a concentration -
rather, I
would guess that you have some deposition that washes off too quickly
from
the surface, before any of the reactions have time to assimilate the
ammonia.  Perhaps some of the pointers above can help improve your
situation.

Tom Jobes
St Johns River Water Management District
tjobes@sjrwmd.com
386-329-4463
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Subject: [basinsinfo] HSPF: how to decrease ammonia output from NITRX?

Dear All,

For one year in my watershed, the total atmospherice deposition of the=20
nitrogen is 18.3lb/ac, about half of them are ammonia. I want to remove
all or=20
most of ammonia in the PERLND, because our observed ammonia outflow is
close=20
to 0. Even though I raised the first-order plant uptake rate and
nitrification=20
rate to unreasonalbe huge, the ammonia outflow from the land cannot be=20
decreased to below 1.2 lb/ac. It looks there is certain critiria in the=20
program to prevent too low ammonia concentration in the land. Do you
have any=20
idea what's setting in the program? Do you have any way to decrease
ammonia=20
outflow through NITRX module?

Thanks in advance,
Mei


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Mei -<br>
In addition to, or jointly with, Tom Jobes suggestions, I suggest you
look at the standard model output and evaluate the transformation
fluxes that contribute NH3 in each soil layer.&nbsp; This will identify
which of the processes are contributing the largest NH3 fluxes and from
which soil zone - it will also be a check on your parameterization.<br>
<br>
In particular, you should check the mineralization rates that transform
Organic N to NH3 - if these are too high, or if your Org N storage is
too high it will continue to transform irrespective of other fluxes,
and could lead to the relatively constant baseline outflow you mention.<br>
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Dear All,

For one year in my watershed, the total atmospherice deposition of the 
nitrogen is 18.3lb/ac, about half of them are ammonia. I want to remove all or 
most of ammonia in the PERLND, because our observed ammonia outflow is close 
to 0. Even though I raised the first-order plant uptake rate and nitrification 
rate to unreasonalbe huge, the ammonia outflow from the land cannot be 
decreased to below 1.2 lb/ac. It looks there is certain critiria in the 
program to prevent too low ammonia concentration in the land. Do you have any 
idea what's setting in the program? Do you have any way to decrease ammonia 
outflow through NITRX module?

Thanks in advance,
Mei


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Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 12:11:36 -0400
From: "Saunders, Bill" <BSaunders@appliedtm.com>
Subject: WinHSPF crashes in AUXIL module

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I am a new WinHSPF user and am getting this fatal error when I try to
execute the model:

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************************************************************************
************

 *
*

 *  ERROR/WARNING ID:   341   4
*

 *
*

 *  DATE/TIME: 1970/ 1/ 6  5: 0
*

 *
*

 *  RCHRES:     5
*

 *
*

 *  The calculation of relative depth in subroutine AUXIL, using
Newton's           *

 *  method of successive approximations, did not converge.  Probable
reason --      *

 *  unusual or bad entries in RCHTAB.  Relevant data are:
*

 *
*

 *           A          B          C      RDEP1      RDEP2  COUNT
*

 *   435.60    2613.6     ********** ********** **********    101
*

 *
*

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************

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I set up the wsd, rch, and ptf files using BASINS 3.1.  I understand
that the values for A and B above should be in acres (surface area), but
the RCHTAB values for this RCHRES (5) should not lead to values that
high (see the RCHTAB below).  Not sure how to determine what the
"unusual or bad entries in RCHTAB" are or how to revise them.  Has
anyone had/seen this problem before??  Any insight would be greatly
appreaciated.

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Dep(ft)  Area(acres)      Vol (ac-ft)         Outflow1 (ft3/s)

0          1.267122E-02   0                      0

0.0394  1.484343E-02   5.414883E-04   6.184715E-04

0.3936  3.439331E-02   0.0092623         3.572717E-02

0.492    3.982384E-02   1.291379E-02   5.576654E-02

0.615    0.1221868         2.710781E-02   0.1003669

0.738    0.1357631         4.297173E-02   0.2014786

12.669  1.452665          9.518741          334.3738

24.6      2.769567          34.70646          1877.815

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Thanks.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Bill Saunders

Applied Technology & Management

360 Thames St., Suite 1B

Newport, RI  02840

USA

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401-841-8901 (phone)

401-841-8903 (fax)

http://www.appliedtm.com

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
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font-family:Arial'>I am a new WinHSPF user and am getting this fatal =
error when
I try to execute the model:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

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face=3D"Courier New"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New"'>*******************************************************************=
*****************<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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face=3D"Courier New"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
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&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
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bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
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p></o:p></span></font></p>

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ERROR/WARNING
ID:&nbsp;&nbsp; 341&nbsp;&nbsp;
4&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
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bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
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p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
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face=3D"Courier New"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>&nbsp;*&nbsp; =
DATE/TIME:
1970/ 1/ 6&nbsp; 5: 0&nbsp;&nbsp; =
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;*<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D2 =
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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New"'>&nbsp;*&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
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*<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D2 =
face=3D"Courier New"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>&nbsp;*&nbsp;
RCHRES:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
5&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
*<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D2 =
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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New"'>&nbsp;*&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;*<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D2 =
face=3D"Courier New"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>&nbsp;*&nbsp; The
calculation of relative depth in subroutine AUXIL, using <st1:City =
w:st=3D"on"><st1:place
 =
w:st=3D"on">Newton</st1:place></st1:City>'s&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
*<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D2 =
face=3D"Courier New"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>&nbsp;*&nbsp; =
method of
successive approximations, did not converge.&nbsp; Probable reason
--&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; *<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D2 =
face=3D"Courier New"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>&nbsp;*&nbsp; =
unusual or bad
entries in RCHTAB.&nbsp; Relevant data
are:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;
*<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D2 =
face=3D"Courier New"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New"'>&nbsp;*&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
*<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D2 =
face=3D"Courier New"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New"'>&nbsp;*&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=

A&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
B&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
C&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; RDEP1&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
RDEP2&nbsp;
COUNT&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
*<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D2 =
face=3D"Courier New"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>&nbsp;*&nbsp;&nbsp;
435.60&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 2613.6&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; ********** =
**********
**********&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
101&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
*<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D2 =
face=3D"Courier New"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New"'>&nbsp;*&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
*<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D2 =
face=3D"Courier New"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New"'>&nbsp;*************************************************************=
***********************<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>I set up the wsd, rch, and ptf files using BASINS =
3.1.&nbsp;
I understand that the values for A and B above should be in acres =
(surface
area), but the RCHTAB values for this RCHRES (5) should not lead to =
values that
high (see the RCHTAB below).&nbsp; Not sure how to determine what the
&#8220;unusual or bad entries in RCHTAB&#8221; are or how to revise =
them.&nbsp;
Has anyone had/seen this problem before??&nbsp; Any insight would be =
greatly
appreaciated.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Dep(ft)&nbsp; =
Area(acres)&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Vol
(ac-ft)&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Outflow1 =
(ft3/s)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span lang=3DES =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>0&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
; 1.267122E-02&nbsp;&nbsp; =
0&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
0<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span lang=3DES =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>0.0394&nbsp; 1.484343E-02&nbsp;&nbsp; =
5.414883E-04&nbsp;&nbsp; 6.184715E-04<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span lang=3DES =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>0.3936&nbsp; 3.439331E-02&nbsp;&nbsp; =
0.0092623&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
3.572717E-02<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span lang=3DES =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>0.492&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 3.982384E-02&nbsp;&nbsp; =
1.291379E-02&nbsp;&nbsp; 5.576654E-02<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span lang=3DES =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>0.615&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
0.1221868&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
2.710781E-02&nbsp;&nbsp; 0.1003669<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span lang=3DES =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>0.738&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
0.1357631&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
4.297173E-02&nbsp;&nbsp; 0.2014786<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span lang=3DES =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>12.669&nbsp; =
1.452665&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
9.518741&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
334.3738<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span lang=3DES =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>24.6&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
2.769567&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
34.70646&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
1877.815<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span lang=3DES =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span lang=3DES =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span lang=3DES =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Thanks.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~</span></font><o:p></o:p><=
/p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Bill Saunders</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Applied Technology &amp; =
Management</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><st1:Street w:st=3D"on"><st1:address =
w:st=3D"on"><font size=3D2
  face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>360 =
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From: "Tom Jobes" <tjobes@sjrwmd.com>
Subject: RE: WinHSPF crashes in AUXIL module

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Bill,
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Your FTABLE is truly tiny - it looks like you're overflowing the banks
with just a couple
of thousand cubic feet of storage.  Just because your FTABLE is small
doesn't
mean that you can't easily overtop it if the drainage area isn't
correspondingly tiny.
=20
Try turning off all three auxiliary flags in HYDR-PARM1.  Then look at
the inflow coming in=20
during that hour - I expect you'll see it is far larger than your FTABLE
can handle.  Probably
the cross-section and reach length are much too small for the flow
passing through.
=20
Hope this helps,
=20
Tom Jobes
SJRWMD
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From: Saunders, Bill [mailto:BSaunders@appliedtm.com]=20
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Subject: [basinsinfo] WinHSPF crashes in AUXIL module



I am a new WinHSPF user and am getting this fatal error when I try to
execute the model:

=20

************************************************************************
************

 *
*

 *  ERROR/WARNING ID:   341   4
*

 *
*

 *  DATE/TIME: 1970/ 1/ 6  5: 0
*

 *
*

 *  RCHRES:     5
*

 *
*

 *  The calculation of relative depth in subroutine AUXIL, using
Newton's           *

 *  method of successive approximations, did not converge.  Probable
reason --      *

 *  unusual or bad entries in RCHTAB.  Relevant data are:
*

 *
*

 *           A          B          C      RDEP1      RDEP2  COUNT
*

 *   435.60    2613.6     ********** ********** **********    101
*

 *
*

=20
************************************************************************
************

=20

I set up the wsd, rch, and ptf files using BASINS 3.1.  I understand
that the values for A and B above should be in acres (surface area), but
the RCHTAB values for this RCHRES (5) should not lead to values that
high (see the RCHTAB below).  Not sure how to determine what the
"unusual or bad entries in RCHTAB" are or how to revise them.  Has
anyone had/seen this problem before??  Any insight would be greatly
appreaciated.

=20

Dep(ft)  Area(acres)      Vol (ac-ft)         Outflow1 (ft3/s)

0          1.267122E-02   0                      0

0.0394  1.484343E-02   5.414883E-04   6.184715E-04

0.3936  3.439331E-02   0.0092623         3.572717E-02

0.492    3.982384E-02   1.291379E-02   5.576654E-02

0.615    0.1221868         2.710781E-02   0.1003669

0.738    0.1357631         4.297173E-02   0.2014786

12.669  1.452665          9.518741          334.3738

24.6      2.769567          34.70646          1877.815

=20

=20

Thanks.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Bill Saunders

Applied Technology & Management

360 Thames St., Suite 1B

Newport, RI  02840

USA

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<DIV align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D780061418-06092007><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Bill,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D780061418-06092007><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D780061418-06092007><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Your FTABLE is truly tiny - it looks like =
you're=20
overflowing the banks with just a couple</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D780061418-06092007><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>of thousand cubic feet of storage.&nbsp; Just =
because your=20
FTABLE is small doesn't</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D780061418-06092007><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>mean that you can't easily overtop it if the =
drainage area=20
isn't correspondingly tiny.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D780061418-06092007><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D780061418-06092007><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Try turning off all three auxiliary flags in=20
HYDR-PARM1.&nbsp; </FONT></SPAN><SPAN class=3D780061418-06092007><FONT =
face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Then look at the inflow coming in =
</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D780061418-06092007><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>during </FONT></SPAN><SPAN =
class=3D780061418-06092007><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>that hour -&nbsp;I expect you'll see it is far=20
larger than your FTABLE can handle.&nbsp; </FONT></SPAN><SPAN =
class=3D780061418-06092007><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>Probably</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D780061418-06092007><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>the cross-section and reach length are much too =
small for=20
the flow passing through.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D780061418-06092007><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D780061418-06092007><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Hope this helps,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D780061418-06092007><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D780061418-06092007><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Tom Jobes</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D780061418-06092007><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>SJRWMD</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><B>From:</B> Saunders, Bill=20
[mailto:BSaunders@appliedtm.com] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, September =
06, 2007=20
12:12 PM<BR><B>To:</B> Private list for BASINS users<BR><B>Subject:</B>=20
[basinsinfo] WinHSPF crashes in AUXIL module<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<DIV class=3DSection1>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I am a new WinHSPF user =
and am=20
getting this fatal error when I try to execute the =
model:</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier =
New'">*******************************************************************=
*****************</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier =
New'">&nbsp;*&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;*</S=
PAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">&nbsp;*&nbsp; =
ERROR/WARNING=20
ID:&nbsp;&nbsp; 341&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
4&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
*</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier =
New'">&nbsp;*&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
*</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">&nbsp;*&nbsp; =
DATE/TIME:=20
1970/ 1/ 6&nbsp; 5: 0&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;*</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier =
New'">&nbsp;*&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
*</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">&nbsp;*&nbsp;=20
RCHRES:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
5&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
*</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier =
New'">&nbsp;*&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;*</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">&nbsp;*&nbsp; The=20
calculation of relative depth in subroutine AUXIL, using=20
Newton's&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
*</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">&nbsp;*&nbsp; =
method of=20
successive approximations, did not converge.&nbsp; Probable reason=20
--&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; *</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">&nbsp;*&nbsp; =
unusual or bad=20
entries in RCHTAB.&nbsp; Relevant data=20
are:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
*</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier =
New'">&nbsp;*&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
*</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier =
New'">&nbsp;*&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
=20
A&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
B&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
C&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; RDEP1&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
RDEP2&nbsp;=20
COUNT&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
*</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier =
New'">&nbsp;*&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
435.60&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 2613.6&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; ********** =
**********=20
**********&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
101&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
*</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier =
New'">&nbsp;*&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
*</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier =
New'">&nbsp;*************************************************************=
***********************</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I set up the wsd, rch, and =
ptf files=20
using BASINS 3.1.&nbsp; I understand that the values for A and B above =
should be=20
in acres (surface area), but the RCHTAB values for this RCHRES (5) =
should not=20
lead to values that high (see the RCHTAB below).&nbsp; Not sure how to =
determine=20
what the &#8220;unusual or bad entries in RCHTAB&#8221; are or how to =
revise them.&nbsp; Has=20
anyone had/seen this problem before??&nbsp; Any insight would be greatly =

appreaciated.</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Dep(ft)&nbsp;=20
Area(acres)&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Vol=20
(ac-ft)&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Outflow1=20
(ft3/s)</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">0&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
1.267122E-02&nbsp;&nbsp; =
0&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
0</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">0.0394&nbsp;=20
1.484343E-02&nbsp;&nbsp; 5.414883E-04&nbsp;&nbsp; =
6.184715E-04</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">0.3936&nbsp;=20
3.439331E-02&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
0.0092623&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
3.572717E-02</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">0.492&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
3.982384E-02&nbsp;&nbsp; 1.291379E-02&nbsp;&nbsp; =
5.576654E-02</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">0.615&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
0.1221868&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
2.710781E-02&nbsp;&nbsp; 0.1003669</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">0.738&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
0.1357631&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
4.297173E-02&nbsp;&nbsp; 0.2014786</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">12.669&nbsp;=20
1.452665&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
9.518741&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
334.3738</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">24.6&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
2.769567&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
34.70646&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
1877.815</SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN =
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN =
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Arial">~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN =
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Saunders</SPAN></FONT></P>
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Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 14:20:19 -0400
From: "Saunders, Bill" <BSaunders@appliedtm.com>
Subject: RE: WinHSPF crashes in AUXIL module

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Thanks, Tom.  You are correct, the FTABLE values are small, as is the
commensurate drainage area for that RCHRES (9.63 hectare =3D 23.8 =
acres).
Your suggestions represent some progress for me.  When I turn off the
auxiliary flags for all 7 of my RCHRES, the model runs for an initial
1-year test.  I do get multiple occurrences of the following continuity
error for 2 of my reaches, but it doesn't appear to be fatal (at least
not for the 1st year):

=20

************************************************************************
************

 *
*

 *  ERROR/WARNING ID:   238   1
*

 *
*

 *  The continuity error reported below is greater than 1 part in 1000
and is       *

 *  therefore considered high.
*

 *
*

 *  Did you specify any "special actions"?  If so, they could account
for it.       *

 *
*

 *  Relevant data are:
*

 *  DATE/TIME: 1970/ 1/31 24: 0
*

 *
*

 *  RCHRES :    5
*

 *
*

 *      RELERR       STORS        STOR       MATIN      MATDIF
*

 *     0.00837     0.01000     0.01000     1.5890   -1.338E-02
*

=20

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I have no "special actions" specified.  You mentioned to "look at the
inflow coming in during that hour".  Please excuse my ignorance, but
where are the hourly inflows into each RCHRES stored/output??  My *.out
file does show monthly entries for each RCHRES and those values are all
reasonably small (e.g. just under 1 cfs for the furthest downstream
RCHRES).  So the flows seem to be within the range that the FTABLE can
handle.  Still not sure what is contributing to my initial error.  Maybe
if I can get a look at the hourly timesteps, I can find the point where
the model is blowing up......

=20

Bill Saunders

ATM-Newport

401-841-8901

=20

________________________________

From: Tom Jobes [mailto:tjobes@sjrwmd.com]=20
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 1:30 PM
To: Private list for BASINS users
Subject: RE: [basinsinfo] WinHSPF crashes in AUXIL module

=20

Bill,

=20

Your FTABLE is truly tiny - it looks like you're overflowing the banks
with just a couple

of thousand cubic feet of storage.  Just because your FTABLE is small
doesn't

mean that you can't easily overtop it if the drainage area isn't
correspondingly tiny.

=20

Try turning off all three auxiliary flags in HYDR-PARM1.  Then look at
the inflow coming in=20

during that hour - I expect you'll see it is far larger than your FTABLE
can handle.  Probably

the cross-section and reach length are much too small for the flow
passing through.

=20

Hope this helps,

=20

Tom Jobes

SJRWMD

=20

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________________________________

From: Saunders, Bill [mailto:BSaunders@appliedtm.com]=20
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 12:12 PM
To: Private list for BASINS users
Subject: [basinsinfo] WinHSPF crashes in AUXIL module

I am a new WinHSPF user and am getting this fatal error when I try to
execute the model:

=20

************************************************************************
************

 *
*

 *  ERROR/WARNING ID:   341   4
*

 *
*

 *  DATE/TIME: 1970/ 1/ 6  5: 0
*

 *
*

 *  RCHRES:     5
*

 *
*

 *  The calculation of relative depth in subroutine AUXIL, using
Newton's           *

 *  method of successive approximations, did not converge.  Probable
reason --      *

 *  unusual or bad entries in RCHTAB.  Relevant data are:
*

 *
*

 *           A          B          C      RDEP1      RDEP2  COUNT
*

 *   435.60    2613.6     ********** ********** **********    101
*

 *
*

=20
************************************************************************
************

=20

I set up the wsd, rch, and ptf files using BASINS 3.1.  I understand
that the values for A and B above should be in acres (surface area), but
the RCHTAB values for this RCHRES (5) should not lead to values that
high (see the RCHTAB below).  Not sure how to determine what the
"unusual or bad entries in RCHTAB" are or how to revise them.  Has
anyone had/seen this problem before??  Any insight would be greatly
appreaciated.

=20

Dep(ft)  Area(acres)      Vol (ac-ft)         Outflow1 (ft3/s)

0          1.267122E-02   0                      0

0.0394  1.484343E-02   5.414883E-04   6.184715E-04

0.3936  3.439331E-02   0.0092623         3.572717E-02

0.492    3.982384E-02   1.291379E-02   5.576654E-02

0.615    0.1221868         2.710781E-02   0.1003669

0.738    0.1357631         4.297173E-02   0.2014786

12.669  1.452665          9.518741          334.3738

24.6      2.769567          34.70646          1877.815

=20

=20

Thanks.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Bill Saunders

Applied Technology & Management

360 Thames St., Suite 1B

Newport, RI  02840

USA

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401-841-8903 (fax)

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the
FTABLE values are small, as is the commensurate drainage area for that =
RCHRES (9.63
hectare =3D 23.8 acres). &nbsp;Your suggestions represent some progress =
for me.&nbsp;
When I turn off the auxiliary flags for all 7 of my RCHRES, the model =
runs for
an initial 1-year test. &nbsp;I do get multiple occurrences of the =
following
continuity error for 2 of my reaches, but it doesn&#8217;t appear to be =
fatal
(at least not for the 1<sup>st</sup> year):<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New"'>&nbsp;*&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
*<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D2 =
face=3D"Courier New"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>&nbsp;*&nbsp; =
ERROR/WARNING
ID:&nbsp;&nbsp; 238&nbsp;&nbsp; 1&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;*<o:p></o:=
p></span></font></p>

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face=3D"Courier New"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
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&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
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continuity
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therefore
considered high.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
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nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
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nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
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you
specify any &quot;special actions&quot;?&nbsp; If so, they could account =
for
it.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; *<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
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&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;*<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D2 =
face=3D"Courier New"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>&nbsp;*&nbsp; =
Relevant data
are:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;
*<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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face=3D"Courier New"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>&nbsp;*&nbsp; =
DATE/TIME:
1970/ 1/31 24:
0&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
*<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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face=3D"Courier New"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New"'>&nbsp;*&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;*<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D2 =
face=3D"Courier New"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>&nbsp;*&nbsp; =
RCHRES
:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
5&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
*<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D2 =
face=3D"Courier New"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New"'>&nbsp;*&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
*<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D2 =
face=3D"Courier New"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New"'>&nbsp;*&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
RELERR&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
STORS&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
STOR&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
MATIN&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
MATDIF&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
*<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D2 =
face=3D"Courier New"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New"'>&nbsp;*&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
0.00837&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 0.01000&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
0.01000&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1.5890&nbsp;&nbsp;
-1.338E-02&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
*<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I have no &#8220;special =
actions&#8221;
specified. &nbsp;You mentioned to &#8220;look at the inflow coming in =
during
that hour&#8221;. &nbsp;Please excuse my ignorance, but where are the =
hourly
inflows into each RCHRES stored/output??&nbsp; My *.out file does show =
monthly entries
for each RCHRES and those values are all reasonably small (e.g. just =
under 1
cfs for the furthest downstream RCHRES). &nbsp;So the flows seem to be =
within
the range that the FTABLE can handle. &nbsp;Still not sure what is =
contributing
to my initial error. &nbsp;Maybe if I can get a look at the hourly =
timesteps, I
can find the point where the model is blowing =
up&#8230;&#8230;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Bill Saunders</span></font><font
color=3Dnavy><span style=3D'color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>ATM-Newport</span></font><font =
color=3Dnavy><span
style=3D'color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>401-841-8901</span></font><font
color=3Dnavy><span style=3D'color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dnavy face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:navy'>&nbsp;</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>=


</div>

<div>

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size=3D3
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>

<hr size=3D3 width=3D"100%" align=3Dcenter tabindex=3D-1>

</span></font></div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font =
size=3D2
face=3DTahoma><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> Tom =
Jobes
[mailto:tjobes@sjrwmd.com] <br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, September =
06, 2007
1:30 PM<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Private list for =
BASINS users<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: [basinsinfo] =
WinHSPF
crashes in AUXIL module</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

</div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Bill,</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Your FTABLE is truly tiny - it =
looks like
you're overflowing the banks with just a =
couple</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>of thousand cubic feet of =
storage.&nbsp;
Just because your FTABLE is small doesn't</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>mean that you can't easily overtop =
it if
the drainage area isn't correspondingly =
tiny.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Try turning off all three auxiliary =
flags
in HYDR-PARM1.&nbsp; Then look at the inflow coming in =
</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>during that hour -&nbsp;I expect =
you'll
see it is far larger than your FTABLE can handle.&nbsp; =
Probably</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>the cross-section and reach length =
are
much too small for the flow passing =
through.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Hope this =
helps,</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Tom =
Jobes</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>SJRWMD</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

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size=3D3
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>

<hr size=3D3 width=3D"100%" align=3Dcenter>

</span></font></div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><font size=3D2 =
face=3DTahoma><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</spa=
n></font></b><font
size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> Saunders,
Bill [mailto:BSaunders@appliedtm.com] <br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, September =
06, 2007
12:12 PM<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Private list for =
BASINS users<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [basinsinfo] =
WinHSPF
crashes in AUXIL module</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>I am a new WinHSPF user and am getting this fatal =
error when
I try to execute the model:</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier =
New"'>*******************************************************************=
*****************</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier =
New"'>&nbsp;*&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;*</s=
pan></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>&nbsp;*&nbsp; ERROR/WARNING ID:&nbsp;&nbsp;
341&nbsp;&nbsp;
4&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
*</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier =
New"'>&nbsp;*&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
*</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>&nbsp;*&nbsp; DATE/TIME: 1970/ 1/ 6&nbsp; 5:
0&nbsp;&nbsp;
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;*</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier =
New"'>&nbsp;*&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
*</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>&nbsp;*&nbsp; RCHRES:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
5&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
*</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier =
New"'>&nbsp;*&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;*</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>&nbsp;*&nbsp; The calculation of relative =
depth in
subroutine AUXIL, using <st1:City w:st=3D"on"><st1:place =
w:st=3D"on">Newton</st1:place></st1:City>'s&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
*</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>&nbsp;*&nbsp; method of successive =
approximations,
did not converge.&nbsp; Probable reason --&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
*</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>&nbsp;*&nbsp; unusual or bad entries in
RCHTAB.&nbsp; Relevant data
are:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;
*</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier =
New"'>&nbsp;*&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
*</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier =
New"'>&nbsp;*&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=

A&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
B&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
C&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; RDEP1&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
RDEP2&nbsp;
COUNT&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
*</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>&nbsp;*&nbsp;&nbsp; 435.60&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
2613.6&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; ********** **********
**********&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
101&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
*</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier =
New"'>&nbsp;*&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
*</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier =
New"'>&nbsp;*************************************************************=
***********************</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>I set up the wsd, rch, and ptf files using BASINS =
3.1.&nbsp;
I understand that the values for A and B above should be in acres =
(surface
area), but the RCHTAB values for this RCHRES (5) should not lead to =
values that
high (see the RCHTAB below).&nbsp; Not sure how to determine what the
&#8220;unusual or bad entries in RCHTAB&#8221; are or how to revise =
them.&nbsp;
Has anyone had/seen this problem before??&nbsp; Any insight would be =
greatly
appreaciated.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Dep(ft)&nbsp; =
Area(acres)&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Vol
(ac-ft)&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Outflow1 =
(ft3/s)</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>0&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;
1.267122E-02&nbsp;&nbsp;
0&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
0</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>0.0394&nbsp; 1.484343E-02&nbsp;&nbsp;
5.414883E-04&nbsp;&nbsp; 6.184715E-04</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>0.3936&nbsp; 3.439331E-02&nbsp;&nbsp;
0.0092623&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
3.572717E-02</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>0.492&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 3.982384E-02&nbsp;&nbsp;
1.291379E-02&nbsp;&nbsp; 5.576654E-02</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>0.615&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
0.1221868&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
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0.1357631&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
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2.769567&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
34.70646&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
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FYI There is an automated method of creating your FTABLES based on
regression of observed data from streams in physiographic provinces
assumed to have similar landscape characteristics.
See Technical Notes #2 which was updated this year.
This PDF can be found at
http://www.epa.gov/waterscience/basins/docs/tecnote2.pdf

At the very least this will quickly create an FTABLE in which you could
modify to meet your particular landscape characteristics.

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Bill,

Your FTABLE is truly tiny - it looks like you're overflowing the banks
with just a couple
of thousand cubic feet of storage.  Just because your FTABLE is small
doesn't
mean that you can't easily overtop it if the drainage area isn't
correspondingly tiny.

Try turning off all three auxiliary flags in HYDR-PARM1.  Then look at
the inflow coming in
during that hour - I expect you'll see it is far larger than your FTABLE
can handle.  Probably
the cross-section and reach length are much too small for the flow
passing through.

Hope this helps,

Tom Jobes
SJRWMD


From: Saunders, Bill [mailto:BSaunders@appliedtm.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 12:12 PM
To: Private list for BASINS users
Subject: [basinsinfo] WinHSPF crashes in AUXIL module

I am a new WinHSPF user and am getting this fatal error when I try to
execute the model:

********************************************************************************
****
 *
*
 *  ERROR/WARNING ID:   341   4
*
 *
*
 *  DATE/TIME: 1970/ 1/ 6  5: 0
*
 *
*
 *  RCHRES:     5
*
 *
*
 *  The calculation of relative depth in subroutine AUXIL, using
Newton's           *
 *  method of successive approximations, did not converge.  Probable
reason --      *
 *  unusual or bad entries in RCHTAB.  Relevant data are:
*
 *
*
 *           A          B          C      RDEP1      RDEP2  COUNT
*
 *   435.60    2613.6     ********** ********** **********    101
*
 *
*

********************************************************************************
****

I set up the wsd, rch, and ptf files using BASINS 3.1.  I understand
that the values for A and B above should be in acres (surface area), but
the RCHTAB values for this RCHRES (5) should not lead to values that
high (see the RCHTAB below).  Not sure how to determine what the
unusual or bad entries in RCHTAB are or how to revise them.  Has
anyone had/seen this problem before??  Any insight would be greatly
appreaciated.

Dep(ft)  Area(acres)      Vol (ac-ft)         Outflow1 (ft3/s)
0          1.267122E-02   0                      0
0.0394  1.484343E-02   5.414883E-04   6.184715E-04
0.3936  3.439331E-02   0.0092623         3.572717E-02
0.492    3.982384E-02   1.291379E-02   5.576654E-02
0.615    0.1221868         2.710781E-02   0.1003669
0.738    0.1357631         4.297173E-02   0.2014786
12.669  1.452665          9.518741          334.3738
24.6      2.769567          34.70646          1877.815


Thanks.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Bill Saunders
Applied Technology & Management
360 Thames St., Suite 1B
Newport, RI  02840
USA

401-841-8901 (phone)
401-841-8903 (fax)
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Subject: RE: WinHSPF crashes in AUXIL module

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Bill,
=20
Turning off the aux flags should prevent the error you had before, which
occurs trying to compute the depth.  Ideally,
once all other issues are fixed, you should be able to turn those flags
back on without crashing the run.
=20
The PRINT-INFO tables (and BINARY-INFO tables if used) control the
timestep of the output.  The default of 4
means monthly.  To get hourly values, set the flag for HYDR to 2, and
set PIVL equal to 1.  Since this
creates a huge volume of output, you might shorten your run to 1 month
or less until you have things
debugged - even 1 week will take you to the first error you posted.
=20
If the inflow volumes look too large, check the values for PERO (for
PERLND, SURO for IMPLND) to make
sure the depths multiplied by the acreages equal the volumes you see for
the reaches, and that they are
not unreasonably high.  You cited your areas originally in hectares -
are you using precip in inches or mm?
=20
The continuity error below could have to do with numerical issues (such
as roundoff) with the small numbers
in your FTABLE - just make sure that the relative error (RELERR) remains
small (the example you posted
is 0.837%).
=20
Tom Jobes
SJRWMD

________________________________

From: Saunders, Bill [mailto:BSaunders@appliedtm.com]=20
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 2:20 PM
To: Private list for BASINS users
Subject: RE: [basinsinfo] WinHSPF crashes in AUXIL module



Thanks, Tom.  You are correct, the FTABLE values are small, as is the
commensurate drainage area for that RCHRES (9.63 hectare =3D 23.8 =
acres).
Your suggestions represent some progress for me.  When I turn off the
auxiliary flags for all 7 of my RCHRES, the model runs for an initial
1-year test.  I do get multiple occurrences of the following continuity
error for 2 of my reaches, but it doesn't appear to be fatal (at least
not for the 1st year):

=20

************************************************************************
************

 *
*

 *  ERROR/WARNING ID:   238   1
*

 *
*

 *  The continuity error reported below is greater than 1 part in 1000
and is       *

 *  therefore considered high.
*

 *
*

 *  Did you specify any "special actions"?  If so, they could account
for it.       *

 *
*

 *  Relevant data are:
*

 *  DATE/TIME: 1970/ 1/31 24: 0
*

 *
*

 *  RCHRES :    5
*

 *
*

 *      RELERR       STORS        STOR       MATIN      MATDIF
*

 *     0.00837     0.01000     0.01000     1.5890   -1.338E-02
*

=20

=20

I have no "special actions" specified.  You mentioned to "look at the
inflow coming in during that hour".  Please excuse my ignorance, but
where are the hourly inflows into each RCHRES stored/output??  My *.out
file does show monthly entries for each RCHRES and those values are all
reasonably small (e.g. just under 1 cfs for the furthest downstream
RCHRES).  So the flows seem to be within the range that the FTABLE can
handle.  Still not sure what is contributing to my initial error.  Maybe
if I can get a look at the hourly timesteps, I can find the point where
the model is blowing up......

=20

Bill Saunders

ATM-Newport

401-841-8901

=20

________________________________

From: Tom Jobes [mailto:tjobes@sjrwmd.com]=20
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 1:30 PM
To: Private list for BASINS users
Subject: RE: [basinsinfo] WinHSPF crashes in AUXIL module

=20

Bill,

=20

Your FTABLE is truly tiny - it looks like you're overflowing the banks
with just a couple

of thousand cubic feet of storage.  Just because your FTABLE is small
doesn't

mean that you can't easily overtop it if the drainage area isn't
correspondingly tiny.

=20

Try turning off all three auxiliary flags in HYDR-PARM1.  Then look at
the inflow coming in=20

during that hour - I expect you'll see it is far larger than your FTABLE
can handle.  Probably

the cross-section and reach length are much too small for the flow
passing through.

=20

Hope this helps,

=20

Tom Jobes

SJRWMD

=20

=20

________________________________

From: Saunders, Bill [mailto:BSaunders@appliedtm.com]=20
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 12:12 PM
To: Private list for BASINS users
Subject: [basinsinfo] WinHSPF crashes in AUXIL module

I am a new WinHSPF user and am getting this fatal error when I try to
execute the model:

=20

************************************************************************
************

 *
*

 *  ERROR/WARNING ID:   341   4
*

 *
*

 *  DATE/TIME: 1970/ 1/ 6  5: 0
*

 *
*

 *  RCHRES:     5
*

 *
*

 *  The calculation of relative depth in subroutine AUXIL, using
Newton's           *

 *  method of successive approximations, did not converge.  Probable
reason --      *

 *  unusual or bad entries in RCHTAB.  Relevant data are:
*

 *
*

 *           A          B          C      RDEP1      RDEP2  COUNT
*

 *   435.60    2613.6     ********** ********** **********    101
*

 *
*

=20
************************************************************************
************

=20

I set up the wsd, rch, and ptf files using BASINS 3.1.  I understand
that the values for A and B above should be in acres (surface area), but
the RCHTAB values for this RCHRES (5) should not lead to values that
high (see the RCHTAB below).  Not sure how to determine what the
"unusual or bad entries in RCHTAB" are or how to revise them.  Has
anyone had/seen this problem before??  Any insight would be greatly
appreaciated.

=20

Dep(ft)  Area(acres)      Vol (ac-ft)         Outflow1 (ft3/s)

0          1.267122E-02   0                      0

0.0394  1.484343E-02   5.414883E-04   6.184715E-04

0.3936  3.439331E-02   0.0092623         3.572717E-02

0.492    3.982384E-02   1.291379E-02   5.576654E-02

0.615    0.1221868         2.710781E-02   0.1003669

0.738    0.1357631         4.297173E-02   0.2014786

12.669  1.452665          9.518741          334.3738

24.6      2.769567          34.70646          1877.815

=20

=20

Thanks.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Bill Saunders

Applied Technology & Management

360 Thames St., Suite 1B

Newport, RI  02840

USA

=20

401-841-8901 (phone)

401-841-8903 (fax)

http://www.appliedtm.com

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<DIV align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D843242919-06092007><FONT face=3DArial =
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<DIV align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D843242919-06092007><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Turning off the aux flags should prevent the =
error you had=20
before, which occurs trying to compute the depth.&nbsp;=20
Ideally,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D843242919-06092007><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>once all other issues are fixed, you should be =
able to turn=20
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<DIV align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D843242919-06092007><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D843242919-06092007><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>The PRINT-INFO tables (and BINARY-INFO tables =
if used)=20
control the timestep of the output.&nbsp; The default of =
4</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D843242919-06092007><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>means monthly.&nbsp; To get hourly values, set =
the flag for=20
HYDR to 2, and&nbsp;set PIVL equal to&nbsp;1.&nbsp; Since=20
this</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D843242919-06092007><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>creates a huge volume of output, you might =
shorten your run=20
to 1 month or less until you have things</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D843242919-06092007><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>debugged - even 1 week will take you to the =
first error you=20
posted.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D843242919-06092007><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D843242919-06092007><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>If the inflow volumes look too large, check the =
values for=20
PERO (for PERLND, SURO for IMPLND) to make</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>sure the depths multiplied by the acreages =
equal the=20
volumes you see for the reaches, and that they are</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D843242919-06092007><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>not unreasonably high.&nbsp; You cited your =
areas=20
originally in hectares - are you using precip in inches or=20
mm?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D843242919-06092007><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D843242919-06092007><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>The continuity error below could have to do =
with numerical=20
issues (such as roundoff) with the small numbers</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D843242919-06092007><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>in your FTABLE - just make sure that the =
relative error=20
(RELERR) remains small&nbsp;(the example you posted</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D843242919-06092007><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>is&nbsp;0.837%).</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D843242919-06092007><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D843242919-06092007><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Tom Jobes</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D843242919-06092007><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>SJRWMD</FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR>
<DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader align=3Dleft>
<HR>
<FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><B>From:</B> Saunders, Bill=20
[mailto:BSaunders@appliedtm.com] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, September =
06, 2007=20
2:20 PM<BR><B>To:</B> Private list for BASINS users<BR><B>Subject:</B> =
RE:=20
[basinsinfo] WinHSPF crashes in AUXIL module<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV class=3DSection1>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Thanks, =
Tom.&nbsp; You=20
are correct, the FTABLE values are small, as is the commensurate =
drainage area=20
for that RCHRES (9.63 hectare =3D 23.8 acres). &nbsp;Your suggestions =
represent=20
some progress for me.&nbsp; When I turn off the auxiliary flags for all =
7 of my=20
RCHRES, the model runs for an initial 1-year test. &nbsp;I do get =
multiple=20
occurrences of the following continuity error for 2 of my reaches, but =
it=20
doesn&#8217;t appear to be fatal (at least not for the 1<SUP>st</SUP>=20
year):</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier =
New'">*******************************************************************=
*****************</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier =
New'">&nbsp;*&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
*</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">&nbsp;*&nbsp; =
ERROR/WARNING=20
ID:&nbsp;&nbsp; 238&nbsp;&nbsp; 1&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;*</SPAN></=
FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier =
New'">&nbsp;*&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
*</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">&nbsp;*&nbsp; The =
continuity=20
error reported below is greater than 1 part in 1000 and=20
is&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; *</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">&nbsp;*&nbsp; =
therefore=20
considered high.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;*</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier =
New'">&nbsp;*&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
*</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">&nbsp;*&nbsp; Did =
you=20
specify any "special actions"?&nbsp; If so, they could account for=20
it.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; *</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier =
New'">&nbsp;*&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;*</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">&nbsp;*&nbsp; =
Relevant data=20
are:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;=20
*</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">&nbsp;*&nbsp; =
DATE/TIME:=20
1970/ 1/31 24:=20
0&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
*</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier =
New'">&nbsp;*&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;*</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">&nbsp;*&nbsp; =
RCHRES=20
:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
5&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
*</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier =
New'">&nbsp;*&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
*</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier =
New'">&nbsp;*&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
RELERR&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
STORS&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
STOR&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
MATIN&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
MATDIF&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
*</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier =
New'">&nbsp;*&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
0.00837&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 0.01000&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
0.01000&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1.5890&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
-1.338E-02&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
*</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I have no =
&#8220;special=20
actions&#8221; specified. &nbsp;You mentioned to &#8220;look at the =
inflow coming in during=20
that hour&#8221;. &nbsp;Please excuse my ignorance, but where are the =
hourly inflows=20
into each RCHRES stored/output??&nbsp; My *.out file does show monthly =
entries=20
for each RCHRES and those values are all reasonably small (e.g. just =
under 1 cfs=20
for the furthest downstream RCHRES). &nbsp;So the flows seem to be =
within the=20
range that the FTABLE can handle. &nbsp;Still not sure what is =
contributing to=20
my initial error. &nbsp;Maybe if I can get a look at the hourly =
timesteps, I can=20
find the point where the model is blowing =
up&#8230;&#8230;</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Bill=20
Saunders</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=3Dnavy><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: =
navy"></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">ATM-Newport</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=3Dnavy><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: =
navy"></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">401-841-8901</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=3Dnavy><SPAN =
style=3D"COLOR: navy"></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" color=3Dnavy =
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: =
navy"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"TEXT-ALIGN: center" align=3Dcenter><FONT =
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">
<HR align=3Dcenter size=3D3>
</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Tahoma">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> Tom Jobes=20
[mailto:tjobes@sjrwmd.com] <BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: =
bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Thursday, September 06, 2007 1:30=20
PM<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> Private list =
for BASINS=20
users<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> RE: =
[basinsinfo]=20
WinHSPF crashes in AUXIL module</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D2><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">Bill,</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D2><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Your FTABLE =
is truly=20
tiny - it looks like you're overflowing the banks with just a=20
couple</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D2><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">of thousand =
cubic feet=20
of storage.&nbsp; Just because your FTABLE is small =
doesn't</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D2><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">mean that you =
can't=20
easily overtop it if the drainage area isn't correspondingly=20
tiny.</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D2><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Try turning =
off all=20
three auxiliary flags in HYDR-PARM1.&nbsp; Then look at the inflow =
coming in=20
</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D2><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">during that =
hour=20
-&nbsp;I expect you'll see it is far larger than your FTABLE can =
handle.&nbsp;=20
Probably</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D2><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">the =
cross-section and=20
reach length are much too small for the flow passing =
through.</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D2><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Hope this=20
helps,</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D2><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Tom=20
Jobes</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D2><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">SJRWMD</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P>
<DIV class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"TEXT-ALIGN: center" align=3Dcenter><FONT =
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">
<HR align=3Dcenter size=3D3>
</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><B><FONT =
face=3DTahoma size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: =
10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=3DTahoma =
size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> Saunders, =

Bill [mailto:BSaunders@appliedtm.com] <BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: =
bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Thursday, September 06, 2007 12:12=20
PM<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> Private list =
for BASINS=20
users<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> =
[basinsinfo]=20
WinHSPF crashes in AUXIL module</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I am a new WinHSPF user =
and am=20
getting this fatal error when I try to execute the =
model:</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier =
New'">*******************************************************************=
*****************</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier =
New'">&nbsp;*&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;*</S=
PAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">&nbsp;*&nbsp; =
ERROR/WARNING=20
ID:&nbsp;&nbsp; 341&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
4&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
*</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier =
New'">&nbsp;*&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
*</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">&nbsp;*&nbsp; =
DATE/TIME:=20
1970/ 1/ 6&nbsp; 5: 0&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;*</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier =
New'">&nbsp;*&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
*</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">&nbsp;*&nbsp;=20
RCHRES:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
5&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
*</SPAN></FONT></P>
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nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;*</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">&nbsp;*&nbsp; The=20
calculation of relative depth in subroutine AUXIL, using=20
Newton's&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
*</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN =
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method of=20
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--&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; *</SPAN></FONT></P>
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style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">&nbsp;*&nbsp; =
unusual or bad=20
entries in RCHTAB.&nbsp; Relevant data=20
are:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
*</SPAN></FONT></P>
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style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier =
New'">&nbsp;*&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
*</SPAN></FONT></P>
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=20
A&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
B&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
C&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; RDEP1&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
RDEP2&nbsp;=20
COUNT&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
*</SPAN></FONT></P>
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New'">&nbsp;*&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
435.60&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 2613.6&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; ********** =
**********=20
**********&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
101&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
*</SPAN></FONT></P>
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style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier =
New'">&nbsp;*&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
*</SPAN></FONT></P>
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New'">&nbsp;*************************************************************=
***********************</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I set up the wsd, rch, and =
ptf files=20
using BASINS 3.1.&nbsp; I understand that the values for A and B above =
should be=20
in acres (surface area), but the RCHTAB values for this RCHRES (5) =
should not=20
lead to values that high (see the RCHTAB below).&nbsp; Not sure how to =
determine=20
what the &#8220;unusual or bad entries in RCHTAB&#8221; are or how to =
revise them.&nbsp; Has=20
anyone had/seen this problem before??&nbsp; Any insight would be greatly =

appreaciated.</SPAN></FONT></P>
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style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Dep(ft)&nbsp;=20
Area(acres)&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Vol=20
(ac-ft)&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Outflow1=20
(ft3/s)</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">0&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
1.267122E-02&nbsp;&nbsp; =
0&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
0</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">0.0394&nbsp;=20
1.484343E-02&nbsp;&nbsp; 5.414883E-04&nbsp;&nbsp; =
6.184715E-04</SPAN></FONT></P>
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style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">0.3936&nbsp;=20
3.439331E-02&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
0.0092623&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
3.572717E-02</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">0.492&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
3.982384E-02&nbsp;&nbsp; 1.291379E-02&nbsp;&nbsp; =
5.576654E-02</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">0.615&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
0.1221868&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
2.710781E-02&nbsp;&nbsp; 0.1003669</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">0.738&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
0.1357631&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
4.297173E-02&nbsp;&nbsp; 0.2014786</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">12.669&nbsp;=20
1.452665&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
9.518741&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
334.3738</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">24.6&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
2.769567&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
34.70646&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
1877.815</SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN =
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN =
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Arial">~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN =
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Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 11:20:48 -0500
From: "Brant, Gail - Greensboro, NC" <gail.brant@gnb.usda.gov>
Subject: RE: high simulated runoff volume

Hello,
As perhaps the lone sociologist using this listserve do any of you know
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nutrient management planning requirements?  In advance, thanks for any
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-----Original Message-----
From: kevinhe@ucla.edu [mailto:kevinhe@ucla.edu]=20
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 8:45 PM
To: Private list for BASINS users
Subject: [basinsinfo] high simulated runoff volume

Dear everyone:

I got high HSPF-simulated flows (especially overland flow) on =20
daily,monthly,and annual scales. I tried to adjust the parameters to =20
first reduce the overland flow. The values of some adjusted parameters =20
were event out of the possible ranges,e.g.,
UZSN (adjusted value: 5 in/hr)
NSUR (0.5)
SLSUR(0.00001)
UZSN (5 in)
CEPSC (0.5 in)

However, the results did not change much at all. Any suggestions on =20
how to adjust the parameters?

Thanks!
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X-Message-Number: 12
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Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 14:51:17 -0400
From: "Saunders, Bill" <BSaunders@appliedtm.com>
Subject: RE: WinHSPF crashes in AUXIL module

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Tom, thanks again for your input.  I've been able to view my hourly
output and am seeing some odd symptoms.  Although my inflow volumes
don't look too large, I tracked down the PERO and SURO values in the
MASS-LINK portion of the *.uci file.  They're both 0.0833, which is what
they should be to convert inches of precip to acre-feet of runoff.  I
referred to my areas in hectares because those are the units that BASINS
wants in creating the .wsd and .rch files for WinHSPF.  The resultant
areas in the .wsd file are indeed acres.  My precip values look to be
inches with a max hourly value of 1.4 for the simulation year.

=20

Getting back to my observed irregularities, in my model, subwatershed 5
is a headwater that drains to subshed 4, which drains to subshed 3, etc.
The outflow profiles for subshed 5 and 3 seem to respond reasonably to
precip input for a short while, but then the model starts reporting 0
cfs outflows for every other hour for these subsheds, creating a
"sawtooth" effect in the profile.  What is especially odd about this is
that subshed 4, which is between the two, doesn't exhibit this behavior.

=20

I also noticed that the "alternating 0 cfs" problem seems to initiate at
the same timestep (and subshed) as those for which the continuity error
(see below) occurs.  Every continuity error in my *.ech file corresponds
to a timestep and subshed for which 0 cfs is reported (The continuity
errors also occur at alternating time steps).  However, once the
alternating "0 cfs" condition starts, it appears to continue for the
subshed, regardless of whether I get a corresponding continuity error. =20

=20

Have you (or anyone else on the list) seen this behavior before??

=20

Bill Saunders

ATM-Newport

401-841-8901

=20

________________________________

From: Tom Jobes [mailto:tjobes@sjrwmd.com]=20
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 2:41 PM
To: Private list for BASINS users
Subject: RE: [basinsinfo] WinHSPF crashes in AUXIL module

=20

Bill,

=20

Turning off the aux flags should prevent the error you had before, which
occurs trying to compute the depth.  Ideally,

once all other issues are fixed, you should be able to turn those flags
back on without crashing the run.

=20

The PRINT-INFO tables (and BINARY-INFO tables if used) control the
timestep of the output.  The default of 4

means monthly.  To get hourly values, set the flag for HYDR to 2, and
set PIVL equal to 1.  Since this

creates a huge volume of output, you might shorten your run to 1 month
or less until you have things

debugged - even 1 week will take you to the first error you posted.

=20

If the inflow volumes look too large, check the values for PERO (for
PERLND, SURO for IMPLND) to make

sure the depths multiplied by the acreages equal the volumes you see for
the reaches, and that they are

not unreasonably high.  You cited your areas originally in hectares -
are you using precip in inches or mm?

=20

The continuity error below could have to do with numerical issues (such
as roundoff) with the small numbers

in your FTABLE - just make sure that the relative error (RELERR) remains
small (the example you posted

is 0.837%).

=20

Tom Jobes

SJRWMD

=20

________________________________

From: Saunders, Bill [mailto:BSaunders@appliedtm.com]=20
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 2:20 PM
To: Private list for BASINS users
Subject: RE: [basinsinfo] WinHSPF crashes in AUXIL module

Thanks, Tom.  You are correct, the FTABLE values are small, as is the
commensurate drainage area for that RCHRES (9.63 hectare =3D 23.8 =
acres).
Your suggestions represent some progress for me.  When I turn off the
auxiliary flags for all 7 of my RCHRES, the model runs for an initial
1-year test.  I do get multiple occurrences of the following continuity
error for 2 of my reaches, but it doesn't appear to be fatal (at least
not for the 1st year):

=20

************************************************************************
************

 *
*

 *  ERROR/WARNING ID:   238   1
*

 *
*

 *  The continuity error reported below is greater than 1 part in 1000
and is       *

 *  therefore considered high.
*

 *
*

 *  Did you specify any "special actions"?  If so, they could account
for it.       *

 *
*

 *  Relevant data are:
*

 *  DATE/TIME: 1970/ 1/31 24: 0
*

 *
*

 *  RCHRES :    5
*

 *
*

 *      RELERR       STORS        STOR       MATIN      MATDIF
*

 *     0.00837     0.01000     0.01000     1.5890   -1.338E-02
*

=20

=20

I have no "special actions" specified.  You mentioned to "look at the
inflow coming in during that hour".  Please excuse my ignorance, but
where are the hourly inflows into each RCHRES stored/output??  My *.out
file does show monthly entries for each RCHRES and those values are all
reasonably small (e.g. just under 1 cfs for the furthest downstream
RCHRES).  So the flows seem to be within the range that the FTABLE can
handle.  Still not sure what is contributing to my initial error.  Maybe
if I can get a look at the hourly timesteps, I can find the point where
the model is blowing up......

=20

Bill Saunders

ATM-Newport

401-841-8901

=20

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Tom, thanks again for your input.
&nbsp;I&#8217;ve been able to view my hourly output and am seeing some =
odd symptoms.
&nbsp;Although my inflow volumes don&#8217;t look too large, I tracked =
down the
PERO and SURO values in the MASS-LINK portion of the *.uci file.
&nbsp;They&#8217;re both 0.0833, which is what they should be to convert =
inches
of precip to acre-feet of runoff.&nbsp; I referred to my areas in =
hectares
because those are the units that BASINS wants in creating the .wsd and =
.rch
files for WinHSPF. &nbsp;The resultant areas in the .wsd file are indeed =
acres.
&nbsp;My precip values look to be inches with a max hourly value of 1.4 =
for the
simulation year.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Getting back to my observed
irregularities, in my model, subwatershed 5 is a headwater that drains =
to
subshed 4, which drains to subshed 3, etc. &nbsp;The outflow profiles =
for
subshed 5 and 3 seem to respond reasonably to precip input for a short =
while,
but then the model starts reporting 0 cfs outflows for every other hour =
for
these subsheds, creating a &#8220;sawtooth&#8221; effect in the =
profile.&nbsp;
What is especially odd about this is that subshed 4, which is between =
the two,
doesn&#8217;t exhibit this behavior.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I also noticed that the =
&#8220;alternating
0 cfs&#8221; problem seems to initiate at the same timestep (and =
subshed) as
those for which the continuity error (see below) occurs.&nbsp; Every =
continuity
error in my *.ech file corresponds to a timestep and subshed for which 0 =
cfs is
reported (The continuity errors also occur at alternating time =
steps).&nbsp;
However, once the alternating &#8220;0 cfs&#8221; condition starts, it =
appears
to continue for the subshed, regardless of whether I get a corresponding
continuity error. &nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Have you (or anyone else on the =
list) seen
this behavior before??<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Bill Saunders</span></font><font
color=3Dnavy><span style=3D'color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>ATM-Newport</span></font><font =
color=3Dnavy><span
style=3D'color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>401-841-8901</span></font><font
color=3Dnavy><span style=3D'color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dnavy face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:navy'>&nbsp;</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>=


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face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font =
size=3D2
face=3DTahoma><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> Tom =
Jobes
[mailto:tjobes@sjrwmd.com] <br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, September =
06, 2007
2:41 PM<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName =
w:st=3D"on">Private
 list for BASINS users</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: [basinsinfo] =
WinHSPF
crashes in AUXIL module</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Bill,</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Turning off the aux flags should =
prevent
the error you had before, which occurs trying to compute the =
depth.&nbsp;
Ideally,</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>once all other issues are fixed, =
you
should be able to turn those flags back on without crashing the =
run.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>The PRINT-INFO tables (and =
BINARY-INFO
tables if used) control the timestep of the output.&nbsp; The default of =
4</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>means monthly.&nbsp; To get hourly =
values,
set the flag for HYDR to 2, and&nbsp;set PIVL equal to&nbsp;1.&nbsp; =
Since this</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>creates a huge volume of output, =
you might
shorten your run to 1 month or less until you have =
things</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>debugged - even 1 week will take =
you to
the first error you posted.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>If the inflow volumes look too =
large,
check the values for PERO (for PERLND, SURO for IMPLND) to =
make</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>sure the depths multiplied by the =
acreages
equal the volumes you see for the reaches, and that they =
are</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>not unreasonably high.&nbsp; You =
cited
your areas originally in hectares - are you using precip in inches or =
mm?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>The continuity error below could =
have to
do with numerical issues (such as roundoff) with the small =
numbers</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>in your FTABLE - just make sure =
that the
relative error (RELERR) remains small&nbsp;(the example you =
posted</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>is&nbsp;0.837%).</span></font><o:p><=
/o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Tom =
Jobes</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>SJRWMD</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

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size=3D3
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>

<hr size=3D3 width=3D"100%" align=3Dcenter>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><font size=3D2 =
face=3DTahoma><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</spa=
n></font></b><font
size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> Saunders,
Bill [mailto:BSaunders@appliedtm.com] <br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, September =
06, 2007
2:20 PM<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName =
w:st=3D"on">Private
 list for BASINS users</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: [basinsinfo] =
WinHSPF
crashes in AUXIL module</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Thanks, Tom.&nbsp; You are correct, =
the
FTABLE values are small, as is the commensurate drainage area for that =
RCHRES
(9.63 hectare =3D 23.8 acres). &nbsp;Your suggestions represent some =
progress for
me.&nbsp; When I turn off the auxiliary flags for all 7 of my RCHRES, =
the model
runs for an initial 1-year test. &nbsp;I do get multiple occurrences of =
the
following continuity error for 2 of my reaches, but it doesn&#8217;t =
appear to
be fatal (at least not for the 1<sup>st</sup> =
year):</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier =
New"'>*******************************************************************=
*****************</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier =
New"'>&nbsp;*&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
*</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>&nbsp;*&nbsp; ERROR/WARNING ID:&nbsp;&nbsp;
238&nbsp;&nbsp; 1&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;*</span></=
font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier =
New"'>&nbsp;*&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
*</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>&nbsp;*&nbsp; The continuity error reported =
below is
greater than 1 part in 1000 and is&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
*</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>&nbsp;*&nbsp; therefore considered
high.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;*</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier =
New"'>&nbsp;*&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
*</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>&nbsp;*&nbsp; Did you specify any =
&quot;special
actions&quot;?&nbsp; If so, they could account for
it.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; *</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier =
New"'>&nbsp;*&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;*</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>&nbsp;*&nbsp; Relevant data
are:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;
*</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>&nbsp;*&nbsp; DATE/TIME: 1970/ 1/31 24:
0&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
*</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier =
New"'>&nbsp;*&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;*</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>&nbsp;*&nbsp; RCHRES :&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
5&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
*</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier =
New"'>&nbsp;*&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
*</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
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RELERR&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
STORS&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
STOR&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
MATIN&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
MATDIF&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
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0.01000&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1.5890&nbsp;&nbsp;
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&nbsp;You mentioned to &#8220;look at the inflow coming in during that
hour&#8221;. &nbsp;Please excuse my ignorance, but where are the hourly =
inflows
into each RCHRES stored/output??&nbsp; My *.out file does show monthly =
entries
for each RCHRES and those values are all reasonably small (e.g. just =
under 1
cfs for the furthest downstream RCHRES). &nbsp;So the flows seem to be =
within
the range that the FTABLE can handle. &nbsp;Still not sure what is =
contributing
to my initial error. &nbsp;Maybe if I can get a look at the hourly =
timesteps, I
can find the point where the model is blowing =
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From: "Saunders, Bill" <BSaunders@appliedtm.com>
Subject: RE: FTABLES in the UCI file

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I am trying to change my FTABLES via the WinHSPF Edit FTable feature.
Unfortunately, after I've updated my FTABLES, the individual values get
rounded down to no more than 2 decimal places in the UCI file.  This
results in successive entries of the same value for SA and Vol, which
may be leading to continuity errors that I am having.  Is there a way
(e.g. variable) for me to specify the # of decimal places that the
FTABLE entries should retain in the UCI file??  Thanks.

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Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 13:55:29 -0400
From: "Tom Jobes" <tjobes@sjrwmd.com>
Subject: RE: WinHSPF crashes in AUXIL module

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Bill,

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First, I agree that your units seem to be fine.

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The alternating 0 flows is generally an issue with the FTABLE being
"misshapen".  By this I mean=20

that at a given (generally small) storage, the corresponding outflow
rate is so high that it drains

the reach in a single timestep.  Often this results from the first
non-zero row being too large, so

that the linear interpolation of flow for small storages is very
inaccurate.  Try inserting 1 or more

additional rows below the first row, and make sure that their discharge
rate is not excessive.

=20

Another possibility is to set KS=3D0 in HYDR-PARM2 - this frequently =
gets
rid of the "sawtooth" flows,

at the cost, however, of some accuracy.  With such small flows you're
working with, perhaps this

should be a last resort.

=20

To respond to your other email about FTABLE precision, I'm not aware of
any way to set the

significant digits, but in most cases (not such tiny flows) the defaults
seem to suffice.  You can

however open the UCI in a text editor and fix them manually if the
interface is chopping off

your numbers too much.  Becoming comfortable with handling the UCI in a
text editor is a

useful skill that I'd recommend cultivating, GUIs notwithstanding.

=20

Tom Jobes=20
St Johns River Water Management District=20
tjobes@sjrwmd.com=20
386-329-4463=20

From: Saunders, Bill [mailto:BSaunders@appliedtm.com]=20
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 2:51 PM
To: Private list for BASINS users
Subject: RE: [basinsinfo] WinHSPF crashes in AUXIL module

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Tom, thanks again for your input.  I've been able to view my hourly
output and am seeing some odd symptoms.  Although my inflow volumes
don't look too large, I tracked down the PERO and SURO values in the
MASS-LINK portion of the *.uci file.  They're both 0.0833, which is what
they should be to convert inches of precip to acre-feet of runoff.  I
referred to my areas in hectares because those are the units that BASINS
wants in creating the .wsd and .rch files for WinHSPF.  The resultant
areas in the .wsd file are indeed acres.  My precip values look to be
inches with a max hourly value of 1.4 for the simulation year.

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Getting back to my observed irregularities, in my model, subwatershed 5
is a headwater that drains to subshed 4, which drains to subshed 3, etc.
The outflow profiles for subshed 5 and 3 seem to respond reasonably to
precip input for a short while, but then the model starts reporting 0
cfs outflows for every other hour for these subsheds, creating a
"sawtooth" effect in the profile.  What is especially odd about this is
that subshed 4, which is between the two, doesn't exhibit this behavior.

=20

I also noticed that the "alternating 0 cfs" problem seems to initiate at
the same timestep (and subshed) as those for which the continuity error
(see below) occurs.  Every continuity error in my *.ech file corresponds
to a timestep and subshed for which 0 cfs is reported (The continuity
errors also occur at alternating time steps).  However, once the
alternating "0 cfs" condition starts, it appears to continue for the
subshed, regardless of whether I get a corresponding continuity error. =20

=20

Have you (or anyone else on the list) seen this behavior before??

=20

Bill Saunders

ATM-Newport

401-841-8901

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From: Tom Jobes [mailto:tjobes@sjrwmd.com]=20
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 2:41 PM
To: Private list for BASINS users
Subject: RE: [basinsinfo] WinHSPF crashes in AUXIL module

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Bill,

=20

Turning off the aux flags should prevent the error you had before, which
occurs trying to compute the depth.  Ideally,

once all other issues are fixed, you should be able to turn those flags
back on without crashing the run.

=20

The PRINT-INFO tables (and BINARY-INFO tables if used) control the
timestep of the output.  The default of 4

means monthly.  To get hourly values, set the flag for HYDR to 2, and
set PIVL equal to 1.  Since this

creates a huge volume of output, you might shorten your run to 1 month
or less until you have things

debugged - even 1 week will take you to the first error you posted.

=20

If the inflow volumes look too large, check the values for PERO (for
PERLND, SURO for IMPLND) to make

sure the depths multiplied by the acreages equal the volumes you see for
the reaches, and that they are

not unreasonably high.  You cited your areas originally in hectares -
are you using precip in inches or mm?

=20

The continuity error below could have to do with numerical issues (such
as roundoff) with the small numbers

in your FTABLE - just make sure that the relative error (RELERR) remains
small (the example you posted

is 0.837%).

=20

Tom Jobes

SJRWMD

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________________________________

From: Saunders, Bill [mailto:BSaunders@appliedtm.com]=20
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 2:20 PM
To: Private list for BASINS users
Subject: RE: [basinsinfo] WinHSPF crashes in AUXIL module

Thanks, Tom.  You are correct, the FTABLE values are small, as is the
commensurate drainage area for that RCHRES (9.63 hectare =3D 23.8 =
acres).
Your suggestions represent some progress for me.  When I turn off the
auxiliary flags for all 7 of my RCHRES, the model runs for an initial
1-year test.  I do get multiple occurrences of the following continuity
error for 2 of my reaches, but it doesn't appear to be fatal (at least
not for the 1st year):

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************************************************************************
************

 *
*

 *  ERROR/WARNING ID:   238   1
*

 *
*

 *  The continuity error reported below is greater than 1 part in 1000
and is       *

 *  therefore considered high.
*

 *
*

 *  Did you specify any "special actions"?  If so, they could account
for it.       *

 *
*

 *  Relevant data are:
*

 *  DATE/TIME: 1970/ 1/31 24: 0
*

 *
*

 *  RCHRES :    5
*

 *
*

 *      RELERR       STORS        STOR       MATIN      MATDIF
*

 *     0.00837     0.01000     0.01000     1.5890   -1.338E-02
*

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I have no "special actions" specified.  You mentioned to "look at the
inflow coming in during that hour".  Please excuse my ignorance, but
where are the hourly inflows into each RCHRES stored/output??  My *.out
file does show monthly entries for each RCHRES and those values are all
reasonably small (e.g. just under 1 cfs for the furthest downstream
RCHRES).  So the flows seem to be within the range that the FTABLE can
handle.  Still not sure what is contributing to my initial error.  Maybe
if I can get a look at the hourly timesteps, I can find the point where
the model is blowing up......

=20

Bill Saunders

ATM-Newport

401-841-8901

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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color:#1F497D'>First, I agree that your units seem to be =
fine.</span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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color:#1F497D'>The alternating 0 flows is generally an issue with the =
FTABLE
being &#8220;misshapen&#8221;.&nbsp; By this I mean </span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>that at a given (generally small) storage, the =
corresponding outflow
rate is so high that it drains</span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>the reach in a single timestep.&nbsp; Often this results =
from
the first non-zero row being too large, so</span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>that the linear interpolation of flow for small storages =
is very
inaccurate.&nbsp; Try inserting 1 or more</span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>additional rows below the first row, and make sure that =
their
discharge rate is not excessive.</span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Another possibility is to set KS=3D0 in HYDR-PARM2 =
&#8211; this frequently
gets rid of the &#8220;sawtooth&#8221; flows,</span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>at the cost, however, of some accuracy.&nbsp; With such =
small
flows you&#8217;re working with, perhaps this</span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>should be a last resort.</span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>To respond to your other email about FTABLE precision, =
I&#8217;m
not aware of any way to set the</span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>significant digits, but in most cases (not such tiny =
flows) the
defaults seem to suffice.&nbsp; You can</span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>however open the UCI in a text editor and fix them =
manually if
the interface is chopping off</span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>your numbers too much.&nbsp; Becoming comfortable with =
handling
the UCI in a text editor is a</span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>useful skill that I&#8217;d recommend cultivating, GUIs
notwithstanding.</span></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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color:#1F497D'>Tom Jobes</span><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'> <br>
</span><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>St Johns River Water Management District</span><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'> <br>
</span><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>tjobes@sjrwmd.com</span><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'> =
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color:#1F497D'>386-329-4463</span><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'> =
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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
Saunders, Bill
[mailto:BSaunders@appliedtm.com] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, September 10, 2007 2:51 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Private list for BASINS users<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [basinsinfo] WinHSPF crashes in AUXIL =
module</span></p>

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</div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;</p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>Tom, thanks again for your input. &nbsp;I&#8217;ve been able =
to
view my hourly output and am seeing some odd symptoms. &nbsp;Although my =
inflow
volumes don&#8217;t look too large, I tracked down the PERO and SURO =
values in
the MASS-LINK portion of the *.uci file. &nbsp;They&#8217;re both =
0.0833, which
is what they should be to convert inches of precip to acre-feet of
runoff.&nbsp; I referred to my areas in hectares because those are the =
units
that BASINS wants in creating the .wsd and .rch files for WinHSPF. =
&nbsp;The
resultant areas in the .wsd file are indeed acres. &nbsp;My precip =
values look
to be inches with a max hourly value of 1.4 for the simulation =
year.</span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>&nbsp;</span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>Getting back to my observed irregularities, in my model, =
subwatershed
5 is a headwater that drains to subshed 4, which drains to subshed 3, =
etc.
&nbsp;The outflow profiles for subshed 5 and 3 seem to respond =
reasonably to
precip input for a short while, but then the model starts reporting 0 =
cfs
outflows for every other hour for these subsheds, creating a
&#8220;sawtooth&#8221; effect in the profile.&nbsp; What is especially =
odd
about this is that subshed 4, which is between the two, doesn&#8217;t =
exhibit
this behavior.</span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>&nbsp;</span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>I also noticed that the &#8220;alternating 0 cfs&#8221; =
problem
seems to initiate at the same timestep (and subshed) as those for which =
the
continuity error (see below) occurs.&nbsp; Every continuity error in my =
*.ech
file corresponds to a timestep and subshed for which 0 cfs is reported =
(The
continuity errors also occur at alternating time steps).&nbsp; However, =
once
the alternating &#8220;0 cfs&#8221; condition starts, it appears to =
continue
for the subshed, regardless of whether I get a corresponding continuity =
error.
&nbsp;</span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>&nbsp;</span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>Have you (or anyone else on the list) seen this behavior =
before??</span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>&nbsp;</span></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>Bill Saunders</span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>ATM-Newport</span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>401-841-8901</span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:navy'>&nbsp;</span></p>

</div>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
Tom Jobes
[mailto:tjobes@sjrwmd.com] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 06, 2007 2:41 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Private list for BASINS users<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [basinsinfo] WinHSPF crashes in AUXIL =
module</span></p>

</div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;</p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>Bill,</span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;</p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>Turning off the aux flags should prevent the error you had =
before,
which occurs trying to compute the depth.&nbsp; Ideally,</span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>once all other issues are fixed, you should be able to turn =
those
flags back on without crashing the run.</span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;</p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>The PRINT-INFO tables (and BINARY-INFO tables if used) =
control the
timestep of the output.&nbsp; The default of 4</span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>means monthly.&nbsp; To get hourly values, set the flag for =
HYDR to
2, and&nbsp;set PIVL equal to&nbsp;1.&nbsp; Since this</span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>creates a huge volume of output, you might shorten your run =
to 1
month or less until you have things</span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>debugged - even 1 week will take you to the first error you =
posted.</span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;</p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>If the inflow volumes look too large, check the values for =
PERO
(for PERLND, SURO for IMPLND) to make</span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>sure the depths multiplied by the acreages equal the volumes =
you
see for the reaches, and that they are</span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>not unreasonably high.&nbsp; You cited your areas originally =
in
hectares - are you using precip in inches or mm?</span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;</p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>The continuity error below could have to do with numerical =
issues
(such as roundoff) with the small numbers</span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>in your FTABLE - just make sure that the relative error =
(RELERR)
remains small&nbsp;(the example you posted</span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>is&nbsp;0.837%).</span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;</p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>Tom Jobes</span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>SJRWMD</span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;</p>

<div class=3DMsoNormal align=3Dcenter style=3D'text-align:center'>

<hr size=3D3 align=3Dcenter>

</div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Saunders, Bill =
[mailto:BSaunders@appliedtm.com]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 06, 2007 2:20 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Private list for BASINS users<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [basinsinfo] WinHSPF crashes in AUXIL =
module</span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>Thanks, Tom.&nbsp; You are correct, the FTABLE values are =
small, as
is the commensurate drainage area for that RCHRES (9.63 hectare =3D 23.8 =
acres).
&nbsp;Your suggestions represent some progress for me.&nbsp; When I turn =
off
the auxiliary flags for all 7 of my RCHRES, the model runs for an =
initial
1-year test. &nbsp;I do get multiple occurrences of the following =
continuity
error for 2 of my reaches, but it doesn&#8217;t appear to be fatal (at =
least
not for the 1<sup>st</sup> year):</span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;</p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New"'>*******************************************************************=
*****************</span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New"'>&nbsp;*&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
*</span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>&nbsp;*&nbsp;
ERROR/WARNING ID:&nbsp;&nbsp; 238&nbsp;&nbsp; =
1&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;*</span></=
p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New"'>&nbsp;*&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
*</span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>&nbsp;*&nbsp;
The continuity error reported below is greater than 1 part in 1000 and
is&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; *</span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>&nbsp;*&nbsp;
therefore considered high.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;*</span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New"'>&nbsp;*&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
*</span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>&nbsp;*&nbsp;
Did you specify any &quot;special actions&quot;?&nbsp; If so, they could
account for it.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; *</span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New"'>&nbsp;*&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;*</span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>&nbsp;*&nbsp;
Relevant data
are:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;
*</span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>&nbsp;*&nbsp;
DATE/TIME: 1970/ 1/31 24:
0&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
*</span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New"'>&nbsp;*&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;*</span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>&nbsp;*&nbsp;
RCHRES :&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
5&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
*</span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New"'>&nbsp;*&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
*</span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New"'>&nbsp;*&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
RELERR&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
STORS&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
STOR&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
MATIN&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
MATDIF&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
*</span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New"'>&nbsp;*&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
0.00837&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 0.01000&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
0.01000&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1.5890&nbsp;&nbsp;
-1.338E-02&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
*</span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;</p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;</p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>I have no &#8220;special actions&#8221; specified. &nbsp;You
mentioned to &#8220;look at the inflow coming in during that =
hour&#8221;.
&nbsp;Please excuse my ignorance, but where are the hourly inflows into =
each
RCHRES stored/output??&nbsp; My *.out file does show monthly entries for =
each
RCHRES and those values are all reasonably small (e.g. just under 1 cfs =
for the
furthest downstream RCHRES). &nbsp;So the flows seem to be within the =
range
that the FTABLE can handle. &nbsp;Still not sure what is contributing to =
my
initial error. &nbsp;Maybe if I can get a look at the hourly timesteps, =
I can
find the point where the model is blowing up&#8230;&#8230;</span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;</p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>Bill Saunders</span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>ATM-Newport</span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>401-841-8901</span></p>

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Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 16:20:13 -0400
From: "Saunders, Bill" <BSaunders@appliedtm.com>
Subject: RE: WinHSPF crashes in AUXIL module

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Thanks, Tom.  I have actually just resolved the alternation 0 flows
problem by manually changing the FTABLES for each of the RCHRES, i.e.
eliminating any rows that had successive SA, Vol, or Q values that were
equal.  This is AFTER using the Alternative FTABLE Method (from
Technical Note 2 as per Ed's posting) to create new tables.  My
resultant FTABLE for the headwater subshed is small (8 rows), but the
rest of the tables are between 12-17 rows, so I'm still doing better
than the Standard FTABLE calculation method would do for me.  I'm going
to move into longer runs and start turning WQ modules on now, so I'm
sure that there will be more questions.....

=20

Thanks again.

=20

Bill Saunders

ATM-Newport

401-841-8901

=20

________________________________

From: Tom Jobes [mailto:tjobes@sjrwmd.com]=20
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 1:55 PM
To: Private list for BASINS users
Subject: RE: [basinsinfo] WinHSPF crashes in AUXIL module

=20

Bill,

=20

First, I agree that your units seem to be fine.

=20

The alternating 0 flows is generally an issue with the FTABLE being
"misshapen".  By this I mean=20

that at a given (generally small) storage, the corresponding outflow
rate is so high that it drains

the reach in a single timestep.  Often this results from the first
non-zero row being too large, so

that the linear interpolation of flow for small storages is very
inaccurate.  Try inserting 1 or more

additional rows below the first row, and make sure that their discharge
rate is not excessive.

=20

Another possibility is to set KS=3D0 in HYDR-PARM2 - this frequently =
gets
rid of the "sawtooth" flows,

at the cost, however, of some accuracy.  With such small flows you're
working with, perhaps this

should be a last resort.

=20

To respond to your other email about FTABLE precision, I'm not aware of
any way to set the

significant digits, but in most cases (not such tiny flows) the defaults
seem to suffice.  You can

however open the UCI in a text editor and fix them manually if the
interface is chopping off

your numbers too much.  Becoming comfortable with handling the UCI in a
text editor is a

useful skill that I'd recommend cultivating, GUIs notwithstanding.

=20

Tom Jobes=20
St Johns River Water Management District=20
tjobes@sjrwmd.com=20
386-329-4463=20

From: Saunders, Bill [mailto:BSaunders@appliedtm.com]=20
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 2:51 PM
To: Private list for BASINS users
Subject: RE: [basinsinfo] WinHSPF crashes in AUXIL module

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Tom, thanks again for your input.  I've been able to view my hourly
output and am seeing some odd symptoms.  Although my inflow volumes
don't look too large, I tracked down the PERO and SURO values in the
MASS-LINK portion of the *.uci file.  They're both 0.0833, which is what
they should be to convert inches of precip to acre-feet of runoff.  I
referred to my areas in hectares because those are the units that BASINS
wants in creating the .wsd and .rch files for WinHSPF.  The resultant
areas in the .wsd file are indeed acres.  My precip values look to be
inches with a max hourly value of 1.4 for the simulation year.

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Getting back to my observed irregularities, in my model, subwatershed 5
is a headwater that drains to subshed 4, which drains to subshed 3, etc.
The outflow profiles for subshed 5 and 3 seem to respond reasonably to
precip input for a short while, but then the model starts reporting 0
cfs outflows for every other hour for these subsheds, creating a
"sawtooth" effect in the profile.  What is especially odd about this is
that subshed 4, which is between the two, doesn't exhibit this behavior.

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I also noticed that the "alternating 0 cfs" problem seems to initiate at
the same timestep (and subshed) as those for which the continuity error
(see below) occurs.  Every continuity error in my *.ech file corresponds
to a timestep and subshed for which 0 cfs is reported (The continuity
errors also occur at alternating time steps).  However, once the
alternating "0 cfs" condition starts, it appears to continue for the
subshed, regardless of whether I get a corresponding continuity error. =20

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Have you (or anyone else on the list) seen this behavior before??

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Bill Saunders

ATM-Newport

401-841-8901

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From: Tom Jobes [mailto:tjobes@sjrwmd.com]=20
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 2:41 PM
To: Private list for BASINS users
Subject: RE: [basinsinfo] WinHSPF crashes in AUXIL module

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Bill,

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Turning off the aux flags should prevent the error you had before, which
occurs trying to compute the depth.  Ideally,

once all other issues are fixed, you should be able to turn those flags
back on without crashing the run.

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The PRINT-INFO tables (and BINARY-INFO tables if used) control the
timestep of the output.  The default of 4

means monthly.  To get hourly values, set the flag for HYDR to 2, and
set PIVL equal to 1.  Since this

creates a huge volume of output, you might shorten your run to 1 month
or less until you have things

debugged - even 1 week will take you to the first error you posted.

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If the inflow volumes look too large, check the values for PERO (for
PERLND, SURO for IMPLND) to make

sure the depths multiplied by the acreages equal the volumes you see for
the reaches, and that they are

not unreasonably high.  You cited your areas originally in hectares -
are you using precip in inches or mm?

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The continuity error below could have to do with numerical issues (such
as roundoff) with the small numbers

in your FTABLE - just make sure that the relative error (RELERR) remains
small (the example you posted

is 0.837%).

=20

Tom Jobes

SJRWMD

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From: Saunders, Bill [mailto:BSaunders@appliedtm.com]=20
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 2:20 PM
To: Private list for BASINS users
Subject: RE: [basinsinfo] WinHSPF crashes in AUXIL module

Thanks, Tom.  You are correct, the FTABLE values are small, as is the
commensurate drainage area for that RCHRES (9.63 hectare =3D 23.8 =
acres).
Your suggestions represent some progress for me.  When I turn off the
auxiliary flags for all 7 of my RCHRES, the model runs for an initial
1-year test.  I do get multiple occurrences of the following continuity
error for 2 of my reaches, but it doesn't appear to be fatal (at least
not for the 1st year):

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************************************************************************
************

 *
*

 *  ERROR/WARNING ID:   238   1
*

 *
*

 *  The continuity error reported below is greater than 1 part in 1000
and is       *

 *  therefore considered high.
*

 *
*

 *  Did you specify any "special actions"?  If so, they could account
for it.       *

 *
*

 *  Relevant data are:
*

 *  DATE/TIME: 1970/ 1/31 24: 0
*

 *
*

 *  RCHRES :    5
*

 *
*

 *      RELERR       STORS        STOR       MATIN      MATDIF
*

 *     0.00837     0.01000     0.01000     1.5890   -1.338E-02
*

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I have no "special actions" specified.  You mentioned to "look at the
inflow coming in during that hour".  Please excuse my ignorance, but
where are the hourly inflows into each RCHRES stored/output??  My *.out
file does show monthly entries for each RCHRES and those values are all
reasonably small (e.g. just under 1 cfs for the furthest downstream
RCHRES).  So the flows seem to be within the range that the FTABLE can
handle.  Still not sure what is contributing to my initial error.  Maybe
if I can get a look at the hourly timesteps, I can find the point where
the model is blowing up......

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Bill Saunders

ATM-Newport

401-841-8901

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Thanks, Tom.&nbsp; I have actually =
just
resolved the alternation 0 flows problem by manually changing the =
FTABLES for
each of the RCHRES, i.e. eliminating any rows that had successive SA, =
Vol, or Q
values that were equal. &nbsp;This is AFTER using the Alternative FTABLE =
Method
(from Technical Note 2 as per Ed&#8217;s posting) to create new tables. =
&nbsp;My
resultant FTABLE for the headwater subshed is small (8 rows), but the =
rest of
the tables are between 12-17 rows, so I&#8217;m still doing better than =
the Standard
FTABLE calculation method would do for me. &nbsp;I&#8217;m going to move =
into
longer runs and start turning WQ modules on now, so I&#8217;m sure that =
there
will be more questions&#8230;..<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Thanks =
again.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Bill Saunders</span></font><font
color=3Dnavy><span style=3D'color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>ATM-Newport</span></font><font =
color=3Dnavy><span
style=3D'color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>401-841-8901</span></font><font
color=3Dnavy><span style=3D'color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font =
size=3D2
face=3DTahoma><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> Tom =
Jobes
[mailto:tjobes@sjrwmd.com] <br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, September =
11, 2007
1:55 PM<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Private list for =
BASINS users<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: [basinsinfo] =
WinHSPF
crashes in AUXIL module</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3D"#1f497d" =
face=3DCalibri><span
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>Bill,</span>=
</font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3D"#1f497d" =
face=3DCalibri><span
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span=
></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3D"#1f497d" =
face=3DCalibri><span
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>First, I =
agree that
your units seem to be fine.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3D"#1f497d" =
face=3DCalibri><span
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span=
></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3D"#1f497d" =
face=3DCalibri><span
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>The =
alternating 0
flows is generally an issue with the FTABLE being =
&#8220;misshapen&#8221;.&nbsp;
By this I mean </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3D"#1f497d" =
face=3DCalibri><span
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>that at a =
given
(generally small) storage, the corresponding outflow rate is so high =
that it
drains</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3D"#1f497d" =
face=3DCalibri><span
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>the reach =
in a
single timestep.&nbsp; Often this results from the first non-zero row =
being too
large, so</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3D"#1f497d" =
face=3DCalibri><span
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>that the =
linear
interpolation of flow for small storages is very inaccurate.&nbsp; Try
inserting 1 or more</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3D"#1f497d" =
face=3DCalibri><span
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>additional =
rows
below the first row, and make sure that their discharge rate is not =
excessive.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3D"#1f497d" =
face=3DCalibri><span
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span=
></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3D"#1f497d" =
face=3DCalibri><span
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>Another =
possibility
is to set KS=3D0 in HYDR-PARM2 &#8211; this frequently gets rid of the =
&#8220;sawtooth&#8221;
flows,</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3D"#1f497d" =
face=3DCalibri><span
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>at the =
cost,
however, of some accuracy.&nbsp; With such small flows you&#8217;re =
working
with, perhaps this</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3D"#1f497d" =
face=3DCalibri><span
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>should be a =
last
resort.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3D"#1f497d" =
face=3DCalibri><span
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span=
></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3D"#1f497d" =
face=3DCalibri><span
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>To respond =
to your
other email about FTABLE precision, I&#8217;m not aware of any way to =
set the</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3D"#1f497d" =
face=3DCalibri><span
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>significant =
digits,
but in most cases (not such tiny flows) the defaults seem to =
suffice.&nbsp; You
can</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3D"#1f497d" =
face=3DCalibri><span
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>however =
open the UCI
in a text editor and fix them manually if the interface is chopping =
off</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3D"#1f497d" =
face=3DCalibri><span
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>your =
numbers too
much.&nbsp; Becoming comfortable with handling the UCI in a text editor =
is a</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3D"#1f497d" =
face=3DCalibri><span
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>useful =
skill that I&#8217;d
recommend cultivating, GUIs =
notwithstanding.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3D"#1f497d" =
face=3DCalibri><span
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span=
></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3D"#1f497d" face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#1F497D'>Tom =
Jobes</span></font><font
color=3D"#1f497d"><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3D"#1f497d" face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#1F497D'>St Johns River Water Management
District</span></font><font color=3D"#1f497d"><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3D"#1f497d" face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#1F497D'>tjobes@sjrwmd.com</span></font><f=
ont
color=3D"#1f497d"><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3D"#1f497d" face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#1F497D'>386-329-4463</span></font><font
color=3D"#1f497d"><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'> =
</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font =
size=3D2
face=3DTahoma><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> =
Saunders, Bill
[mailto:BSaunders@appliedtm.com] <br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, September =
10, 2007
2:51 PM<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Private list for =
BASINS users<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: [basinsinfo] =
WinHSPF
crashes in AUXIL module</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Tom, thanks again for your input.
&nbsp;I&#8217;ve been able to view my hourly output and am seeing some =
odd
symptoms. &nbsp;Although my inflow volumes don&#8217;t look too large, I
tracked down the PERO and SURO values in the MASS-LINK portion of the =
*.uci
file. &nbsp;They&#8217;re both 0.0833, which is what they should be to =
convert
inches of precip to acre-feet of runoff.&nbsp; I referred to my areas in
hectares because those are the units that BASINS wants in creating the =
.wsd and
.rch files for WinHSPF. &nbsp;The resultant areas in the .wsd file are =
indeed
acres. &nbsp;My precip values look to be inches with a max hourly value =
of 1.4
for the simulation year.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>&nbsp;</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Getting back to my observed
irregularities, in my model, subwatershed 5 is a headwater that drains =
to
subshed 4, which drains to subshed 3, etc. &nbsp;The outflow profiles =
for
subshed 5 and 3 seem to respond reasonably to precip input for a short =
while,
but then the model starts reporting 0 cfs outflows for every other hour =
for
these subsheds, creating a &#8220;sawtooth&#8221; effect in the =
profile.&nbsp;
What is especially odd about this is that subshed 4, which is between =
the two,
doesn&#8217;t exhibit this behavior.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>&nbsp;</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I also noticed that the =
&#8220;alternating
0 cfs&#8221; problem seems to initiate at the same timestep (and =
subshed) as
those for which the continuity error (see below) occurs.&nbsp; Every =
continuity
error in my *.ech file corresponds to a timestep and subshed for which 0 =
cfs is
reported (The continuity errors also occur at alternating time =
steps).&nbsp;
However, once the alternating &#8220;0 cfs&#8221; condition starts, it =
appears
to continue for the subshed, regardless of whether I get a corresponding
continuity error. &nbsp;</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>&nbsp;</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Have you (or anyone else on the =
list) seen
this behavior before??</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>&nbsp;</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Bill =
Saunders</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>ATM-Newport</span></font><o:p></o:p>=
</p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>401-841-8901</span></font><o:p></o:p=
></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dnavy face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:navy'>&nbsp;</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>=


</div>

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size=3D3
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>

<hr size=3D3 width=3D"100%" align=3Dcenter>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font =
size=3D2
face=3DTahoma><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> Tom =
Jobes
[mailto:tjobes@sjrwmd.com] <br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, September =
06, 2007
2:41 PM<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Private list for =
BASINS users<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: [basinsinfo] =
WinHSPF
crashes in AUXIL module</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

</div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Bill,</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Turning off the aux flags should =
prevent
the error you had before, which occurs trying to compute the =
depth.&nbsp; Ideally,</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>once all other issues are fixed, =
you
should be able to turn those flags back on without crashing the =
run.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>The PRINT-INFO tables (and =
BINARY-INFO
tables if used) control the timestep of the output.&nbsp; The default of =
4</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>means monthly.&nbsp; To get hourly =
values,
set the flag for HYDR to 2, and&nbsp;set PIVL equal to&nbsp;1.&nbsp; =
Since this</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>creates a huge volume of output, =
you might
shorten your run to 1 month or less until you have =
things</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>debugged - even 1 week will take =
you to
the first error you posted.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>If the inflow volumes look too =
large,
check the values for PERO (for PERLND, SURO for IMPLND) to =
make</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>sure the depths multiplied by the =
acreages
equal the volumes you see for the reaches, and that they =
are</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>not unreasonably high.&nbsp; You =
cited
your areas originally in hectares - are you using precip in inches or =
mm?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>The continuity error below could =
have to
do with numerical issues (such as roundoff) with the small =
numbers</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>in your FTABLE - just make sure =
that the
relative error (RELERR) remains small&nbsp;(the example you =
posted</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>is&nbsp;0.837%).</span></font><o:p><=
/o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Tom =
Jobes</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>SJRWMD</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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size=3D3
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>

<hr size=3D3 width=3D"100%" align=3Dcenter>

</span></font></div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><font size=3D2 =
face=3DTahoma><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</spa=
n></font></b><font
size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> Saunders,
Bill [mailto:BSaunders@appliedtm.com] <br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, September =
06, 2007
2:20 PM<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Private list for =
BASINS users<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: [basinsinfo] =
WinHSPF
crashes in AUXIL module</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Thanks, Tom.&nbsp; You are correct, =
the
FTABLE values are small, as is the commensurate drainage area for that =
RCHRES
(9.63 hectare =3D 23.8 acres). &nbsp;Your suggestions represent some =
progress for
me.&nbsp; When I turn off the auxiliary flags for all 7 of my RCHRES, =
the model
runs for an initial 1-year test. &nbsp;I do get multiple occurrences of =
the
following continuity error for 2 of my reaches, but it doesn&#8217;t =
appear to
be fatal (at least not for the 1<sup>st</sup> =
year):</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier =
New"'>*******************************************************************=
*****************</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier =
New"'>&nbsp;*&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
*</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>&nbsp;*&nbsp; ERROR/WARNING ID:&nbsp;&nbsp;
238&nbsp;&nbsp; 1&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;*</span></=
font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier =
New"'>&nbsp;*&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
*</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>&nbsp;*&nbsp; The continuity error reported =
below is
greater than 1 part in 1000 and is&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
*</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>&nbsp;*&nbsp; therefore considered
high.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;*</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier =
New"'>&nbsp;*&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
*</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>&nbsp;*&nbsp; Did you specify any =
&quot;special
actions&quot;?&nbsp; If so, they could account for
it.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; *</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier =
New"'>&nbsp;*&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;*</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>&nbsp;*&nbsp; Relevant data
are:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;
*</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>&nbsp;*&nbsp; DATE/TIME: 1970/ 1/31 24:
0&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
*</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier =
New"'>&nbsp;*&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;*</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>&nbsp;*&nbsp; RCHRES :&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
5&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
*</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier =
New"'>&nbsp;*&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
*</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>&nbsp;*&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
RELERR&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
STORS&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
STOR&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
MATIN&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
MATDIF&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
*</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>&nbsp;*&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
0.00837&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 0.01000&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
0.01000&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1.5890&nbsp;&nbsp;
-1.338E-02&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
*</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I have no &#8220;special =
actions&#8221;
specified. &nbsp;You mentioned to &#8220;look at the inflow coming in =
during
that hour&#8221;. &nbsp;Please excuse my ignorance, but where are the =
hourly
inflows into each RCHRES stored/output??&nbsp; My *.out file does show =
monthly
entries for each RCHRES and those values are all reasonably small (e.g. =
just
under 1 cfs for the furthest downstream RCHRES). &nbsp;So the flows seem =
to be
within the range that the FTABLE can handle. &nbsp;Still not sure what =
is
contributing to my initial error. &nbsp;Maybe if I can get a look at the =
hourly
timesteps, I can find the point where the model is blowing =
up&#8230;&#8230;</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Bill =
Saunders</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>ATM-Newport</span></font><o:p></o:p>=
</p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>401-841-8901</span></font><o:p></o:p=
></p>

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From: Krispin Fernandes <krispin@hawaii.edu>
Subject: Multiple exits in  REACH with HSPF

 Is that possible add the percolation rate as one of the outflow from REACH? 
and how to set this part into the uci file.
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Any ideas what is going on here?

thanks.

BASINS 4 4.3.2591 (2/6/2007)

System.OverflowException: Arithmetic operation resulted in an overflow.
   at Microsoft.VisualBasic.CompilerServices.Conversions.ToInteger(Object 
Value)
   at atcMwGisUtility.GisUtil.GridSlopeInPolygon(Int32 aGridLayerIndex, 
Int32 aPolygonLayerIndex, Int32 aPolygonFeatureIndex)
   at atcManDelin.frmManDelin.CalculateSubbasinParameters()
   at atcManDelin.frmManDelin.cmdCalculate_Click(Object sender, EventArgs 
e)
   at System.Windows.Forms.Control.OnClick(EventArgs e)
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button, Int32 clicks)
   at System.Windows.Forms.Control.WndProc(Message& m)
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m)
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<p><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Any ideas what is going on here?</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">thanks.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">BASINS 4 4.3.2591 (2/6/2007)</font>
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<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">System.OverflowException: Arithmetic
operation resulted in an overflow.</font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">&nbsp; &nbsp;at 
Microsoft.VisualBasic.CompilerServices.Conversions.ToInteger(Object
Value)</font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">&nbsp; &nbsp;at 
atcMwGisUtility.GisUtil.GridSlopeInPolygon(Int32
aGridLayerIndex, Int32 aPolygonLayerIndex, Int32 aPolygonFeatureIndex)</font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">&nbsp; &nbsp;at 
atcManDelin.frmManDelin.CalculateSubbasinParameters()</font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">&nbsp; &nbsp;at 
atcManDelin.frmManDelin.cmdCalculate_Click(Object
sender, EventArgs e)</font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">&nbsp; &nbsp;at 
System.Windows.Forms.Control.OnClick(EventArgs
e)</font>
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System.Windows.Forms.Button.OnClick(EventArgs
e)</font>
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System.Windows.Forms.Button.OnMouseUp(MouseEventArgs
mevent)</font>
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System.Windows.Forms.Control.WmMouseUp(Message&amp;
m, MouseButtons button, Int32 clicks)</font>
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System.Windows.Forms.Control.WndProc(Message&amp;
m)</font>
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System.Windows.Forms.ButtonBase.WndProc(Message&amp;
m)</font>
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System.Windows.Forms.Button.WndProc(Message&amp;
m)</font>
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System.Windows.Forms.Control.ControlNativeWindow.OnMessage(Message&amp;
m)</font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">&nbsp; &nbsp;at 
System.Windows.Forms.Control.ControlNativeWindow.WndProc(Message&amp;
m)</font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">&nbsp; &nbsp;at 
System.Windows.Forms.NativeWindow.Callback(IntPtr
hWnd, Int32 msg, IntPtr wparam, IntPtr lparam)</font>
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&nbsp;5</font>
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&nbsp;0</font>
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Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 21:53:00 +0330
From: "Morteza Rayati Damavandi" <m_rayati@iust.ac.ir>
Subject: a request

Hi there

I am PhD student and doing my thesis about "spatial discretization of 
basins and recognization the flood sensitive areas. Could you guide me, 
how can i take J2000 or j2k or jams SOFTWARE?

Regards you

==============================================
Morteza Rayati
PhD Candidate
College of Civil Engineering
Iran University of Science and Technology
Tehran, Iran
==============================================


-----Original Message-----
From: Partington.Ed@epamail.epa.gov
To: "Private list for BASINS users" <basinsinfo@lists.epa.gov>
Cc: BSaunders@appliedtm.com
Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 14:28:01 -0400
Subject: [basinsinfo] WinHSPF crashes in AUXIL module FTABLE Problem

> FYI There is an automated method of creating your FTABLES based on
> regression of observed data from streams in physiographic provinces
> assumed to have similar landscape characteristics.
> See Technical Notes #2 which was updated this year.
> This PDF can be found at
> http://www.epa.gov/waterscience/basins/docs/tecnote2.pdf
> 
> At the very least this will quickly create an FTABLE in which you could
> modify to meet your particular landscape characteristics.
> 
>            <partington.ed@epa.gov>
>   EPA/OW/OST/SHPD/RSTSSB/BASINS
> <http://www.epa.gov/waterscience/basins>
> 
> 
> 
>                                                                        
>              "Tom Jobes"                                               
>              <tjobes@sjrwmd.c                                          
>              om>                                                     To
>                                       "Private list for BASINS users"  
>              09/06/2007 01:29         <basinsinfo@lists.epa.gov>       
>              PM                                                      cc
>                                                                        
>                                                                 Subject
>               Please respond          RE: [basinsinfo] WinHSPF crashes 
>                     to                in AUXIL module                  
>               "Private list                                            
>                 for BASINS                                             
>                   users"                                               
>              <basinsinfo@list                                          
>                 s.epa.gov>                                             
>                                                                        
>                                                                        
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Bill,
> 
> Your FTABLE is truly tiny - it looks like you're overflowing the banks
> with just a couple
> of thousand cubic feet of storage.  Just because your FTABLE is small
> doesn't
> mean that you can't easily overtop it if the drainage area isn't
> correspondingly tiny.
> 
> Try turning off all three auxiliary flags in HYDR-PARM1.  Then look at
> the inflow coming in
> during that hour - I expect you'll see it is far larger than your
> FTABLE
> can handle.  Probably
> the cross-section and reach length are much too small for the flow
> passing through.
> 
> Hope this helps,
> 
> Tom Jobes
> SJRWMD
> 
> 
> From: Saunders, Bill [mailto:BSaunders@appliedtm.com]
> Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 12:12 PM
> To: Private list for BASINS users
> Subject: [basinsinfo] WinHSPF crashes in AUXIL module
> 
> I am a new WinHSPF user and am getting this fatal error when I try to
> execute the model:
> 
> ***********************************************************************
> *************
>  *
> *
>  *  ERROR/WARNING ID:   341   4
> *
>  *
> *
>  *  DATE/TIME: 1970/ 1/ 6  5: 0
> *
>  *
> *
>  *  RCHRES:     5
> *
>  *
> *
>  *  The calculation of relative depth in subroutine AUXIL, using
> Newton's           *
>  *  method of successive approximations, did not converge.  Probable
> reason --      *
>  *  unusual or bad entries in RCHTAB.  Relevant data are:
> *
>  *
> *
>  *           A          B          C      RDEP1      RDEP2  COUNT
> *
>  *   435.60    2613.6     ********** ********** **********    101
> *
>  *
> *
> 
> ***********************************************************************
> *************
> 
> I set up the wsd, rch, and ptf files using BASINS 3.1.  I understand
> that the values for A and B above should be in acres (surface area),
> but
> the RCHTAB values for this RCHRES (5) should not lead to values that
> high (see the RCHTAB below).  Not sure how to determine what the
> ???unusual or bad entries in RCHTAB??? are or how to revise them.  Has
> anyone had/seen this problem before??  Any insight would be greatly
> appreaciated.
> 
> Dep(ft)  Area(acres)      Vol (ac-ft)         Outflow1 (ft3/s)
> 0          1.267122E-02   0                      0
> 0.0394  1.484343E-02   5.414883E-04   6.184715E-04
> 0.3936  3.439331E-02   0.0092623         3.572717E-02
> 0.492    3.982384E-02   1.291379E-02   5.576654E-02
> 0.615    0.1221868         2.710781E-02   0.1003669
> 0.738    0.1357631         4.297173E-02   0.2014786
> 12.669  1.452665          9.518741          334.3738
> 24.6      2.769567          34.70646          1877.815
> 
> 
> Thanks.
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Bill Saunders
> Applied Technology & Management
> 360 Thames St., Suite 1B
> Newport, RI  02840
> USA
> 
> 401-841-8901 (phone)
> 401-841-8903 (fax)
> http://www.appliedtm.com
> 
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Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 14:48:13 -0400
From: Thomas S Blue PE PLS <tsblue@blwi.com>
Subject: HHWQ software applications - Re: a request

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Morteza,

I am not sure about "J2000 or j2k or jams", but you can find information 
on many (150+) hydrologic, hydraulic, and water quality freeware and 
open source applications at "http://hhwq.blogspot.com".

Please share this information with others to whom it would be helpful!

-- 
Thomas S Blue PE PLS
BLUE: Land, Water, Infrastructure
tsblue@blwi.com www.blwi.com



Morteza Rayati Damavandi wrote:
> Hi there
>
> I am PhD student and doing my thesis about "spatial discretization of 
> basins and recognization the flood sensitive areas. Could you guide me, 
> how can i take J2000 or j2k or jams SOFTWARE?
>
> Regards you
>
> ==============================================
> Morteza Rayati
> PhD Candidate
> College of Civil Engineering
> Iran University of Science and Technology
> Tehran, Iran
> ==============================================
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Partington.Ed@epamail.epa.gov
> To: "Private list for BASINS users" <basinsinfo@lists.epa.gov>
> Cc: BSaunders@appliedtm.com
> Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 14:28:01 -0400
> Subject: [basinsinfo] WinHSPF crashes in AUXIL module FTABLE Problem
>
>   
>> FYI There is an automated method of creating your FTABLES based on
>> regression of observed data from streams in physiographic provinces
>> assumed to have similar landscape characteristics.
>> See Technical Notes #2 which was updated this year.
>> This PDF can be found at
>> http://www.epa.gov/waterscience/basins/docs/tecnote2.pdf
>>
>> At the very least this will quickly create an FTABLE in which you could
>> modify to meet your particular landscape characteristics.
>>
>>            <partington.ed@epa.gov>
>>   EPA/OW/OST/SHPD/RSTSSB/BASINS
>> <http://www.epa.gov/waterscience/basins>
>>
>>
>>
>>                                                                        
>>              "Tom Jobes"                                               
>>              <tjobes@sjrwmd.c                                          
>>              om>                                                     To
>>                                       "Private list for BASINS users"  
>>              09/06/2007 01:29         <basinsinfo@lists.epa.gov>       
>>              PM                                                      cc
>>                                                                        
>>                                                                 Subject
>>               Please respond          RE: [basinsinfo] WinHSPF crashes 
>>                     to                in AUXIL module                  
>>               "Private list                                            
>>                 for BASINS                                             
>>                   users"                                               
>>              <basinsinfo@list                                          
>>                 s.epa.gov>                                             
>>                                                                        
>>                                                                        
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Bill,
>>
>> Your FTABLE is truly tiny - it looks like you're overflowing the banks
>> with just a couple
>> of thousand cubic feet of storage.  Just because your FTABLE is small
>> doesn't
>> mean that you can't easily overtop it if the drainage area isn't
>> correspondingly tiny.
>>
>> Try turning off all three auxiliary flags in HYDR-PARM1.  Then look at
>> the inflow coming in
>> during that hour - I expect you'll see it is far larger than your
>> FTABLE
>> can handle.  Probably
>> the cross-section and reach length are much too small for the flow
>> passing through.
>>
>> Hope this helps,
>>
>> Tom Jobes
>> SJRWMD
>>
>>
>> From: Saunders, Bill [mailto:BSaunders@appliedtm.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 12:12 PM
>> To: Private list for BASINS users
>> Subject: [basinsinfo] WinHSPF crashes in AUXIL module
>>
>> I am a new WinHSPF user and am getting this fatal error when I try to
>> execute the model:
>>
>> ***********************************************************************
>> *************
>>  *
>> *
>>  *  ERROR/WARNING ID:   341   4
>> *
>>  *
>> *
>>  *  DATE/TIME: 1970/ 1/ 6  5: 0
>> *
>>  *
>> *
>>  *  RCHRES:     5
>> *
>>  *
>> *
>>  *  The calculation of relative depth in subroutine AUXIL, using
>> Newton's           *
>>  *  method of successive approximations, did not converge.  Probable
>> reason --      *
>>  *  unusual or bad entries in RCHTAB.  Relevant data are:
>> *
>>  *
>> *
>>  *           A          B          C      RDEP1      RDEP2  COUNT
>> *
>>  *   435.60    2613.6     ********** ********** **********    101
>> *
>>  *
>> *
>>
>> ***********************************************************************
>> *************
>>
>> I set up the wsd, rch, and ptf files using BASINS 3.1.  I understand
>> that the values for A and B above should be in acres (surface area),
>> but
>> the RCHTAB values for this RCHRES (5) should not lead to values that
>> high (see the RCHTAB below).  Not sure how to determine what the
>> ???unusual or bad entries in RCHTAB??? are or how to revise them.  Has
>> anyone had/seen this problem before??  Any insight would be greatly
>> appreaciated.
>>
>> Dep(ft)  Area(acres)      Vol (ac-ft)         Outflow1 (ft3/s)
>> 0          1.267122E-02   0                      0
>> 0.0394  1.484343E-02   5.414883E-04   6.184715E-04
>> 0.3936  3.439331E-02   0.0092623         3.572717E-02
>> 0.492    3.982384E-02   1.291379E-02   5.576654E-02
>> 0.615    0.1221868         2.710781E-02   0.1003669
>> 0.738    0.1357631         4.297173E-02   0.2014786
>> 12.669  1.452665          9.518741          334.3738
>> 24.6      2.769567          34.70646          1877.815
>>
>>
>> Thanks.
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> Bill Saunders
>> Applied Technology & Management
>> 360 Thames St., Suite 1B
>> Newport, RI  02840
>> USA
>>
>> 401-841-8901 (phone)
>> 401-841-8903 (fax)
>> http://www.appliedtm.com
>>
>>
>>
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Morteza,<br>
<br>
I am not sure about "J2000 or j2k or jams", but you can find
information on many (150+) hydrologic, hydraulic, and water quality
freeware and open source applications at <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" 
href="http://hhwq.blogspot.com">"http://hhwq.blogspot.com"</a>.<br>
<br>
Please share this information with others to whom it would be helpful!<br>
<br>
<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">-- 
Thomas S Blue PE PLS
BLUE: Land, Water, Infrastructure
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:tsblue@blwi.com
">tsblue@blwi.com</a> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" 
href="http://www.blwi.com">www.blwi.com</a></pre>
<br>
<br>
Morteza Rayati Damavandi wrote:
<blockquote
 
cite="mid:LYRIS-782690-693726-2007.09.16-14.25.35--tsblue%23blwi.com@lists.epa.g
ov"
 type="cite">
  <pre wrap="">Hi there

I am PhD student and doing my thesis about "spatial discretization of 
basins and recognization the flood sensitive areas. Could you guide me, 
how can i take J2000 or j2k or jams SOFTWARE?

Regards you

==============================================
Morteza Rayati
PhD Candidate
College of Civil Engineering
Iran University of Science and Technology
Tehran, Iran
==============================================


-----Original Message-----
From: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" 
href="mailto:Partington.Ed@epamail.epa.gov">Partington.Ed@epamail.epa.gov</a>
To: "Private list for BASINS users" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" 
href="mailto:basinsinfo@lists.epa.gov">&lt;basinsinfo@lists.epa.gov&gt;</a>
Cc: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:BSaunders@appliedtm.com
">BSaunders@appliedtm.com</a>
Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 14:28:01 -0400
Subject: [basinsinfo] WinHSPF crashes in AUXIL module FTABLE Problem

  </pre>
  <blockquote type="cite">
    <pre wrap="">FYI There is an automated method of creating your FTABLES 
based on
regression of observed data from streams in physiographic provinces
assumed to have similar landscape characteristics.
See Technical Notes #2 which was updated this year.
This PDF can be found at
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" 
href="http://www.epa.gov/waterscience/basins/docs/tecnote2.pdf
">http://www.epa.gov/waterscience/basins/docs/tecnote2.pdf</a>

At the very least this will quickly create an FTABLE in which you could
modify to meet your particular landscape characteristics.

           <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:partington.ed@epa.gov
">&lt;partington.ed@epa.gov&gt;</a>
  EPA/OW/OST/SHPD/RSTSSB/BASINS
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="http://www.epa.gov/waterscience/basins
">&lt;http://www.epa.gov/waterscience/basins&gt;</a>



                                                                       
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Bill,

Your FTABLE is truly tiny - it looks like you're overflowing the banks
with just a couple
of thousand cubic feet of storage.  Just because your FTABLE is small
doesn't
mean that you can't easily overtop it if the drainage area isn't
correspondingly tiny.

Try turning off all three auxiliary flags in HYDR-PARM1.  Then look at
the inflow coming in
during that hour - I expect you'll see it is far larger than your
FTABLE
can handle.  Probably
the cross-section and reach length are much too small for the flow
passing through.

Hope this helps,

Tom Jobes
SJRWMD


From: Saunders, Bill [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" 
href="mailto:BSaunders@appliedtm.com">mailto:BSaunders@appliedtm.com</a>]
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 12:12 PM
To: Private list for BASINS users
Subject: [basinsinfo] WinHSPF crashes in AUXIL module

I am a new WinHSPF user and am getting this fatal error when I try to
execute the model:

***********************************************************************
*************
 *
*
 *  ERROR/WARNING ID:   341   4
*
 *
*
 *  DATE/TIME: 1970/ 1/ 6  5: 0
*
 *
*
 *  RCHRES:     5
*
 *
*
 *  The calculation of relative depth in subroutine AUXIL, using
Newton's           *
 *  method of successive approximations, did not converge.  Probable
reason --      *
 *  unusual or bad entries in RCHTAB.  Relevant data are:
*
 *
*
 *           A          B          C      RDEP1      RDEP2  COUNT
*
 *   435.60    2613.6     ********** ********** **********    101
*
 *
*

***********************************************************************
*************

I set up the wsd, rch, and ptf files using BASINS 3.1.  I understand
that the values for A and B above should be in acres (surface area),
but
the RCHTAB values for this RCHRES (5) should not lead to values that
high (see the RCHTAB below).  Not sure how to determine what the
???unusual or bad entries in RCHTAB??? are or how to revise them.  Has
anyone had/seen this problem before??  Any insight would be greatly
appreaciated.

Dep(ft)  Area(acres)      Vol (ac-ft)         Outflow1 (ft3/s)
0          1.267122E-02   0                      0
0.0394  1.484343E-02   5.414883E-04   6.184715E-04
0.3936  3.439331E-02   0.0092623         3.572717E-02
0.492    3.982384E-02   1.291379E-02   5.576654E-02
0.615    0.1221868         2.710781E-02   0.1003669
0.738    0.1357631         4.297173E-02   0.2014786
12.669  1.452665          9.518741          334.3738
24.6      2.769567          34.70646          1877.815


Thanks.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Bill Saunders
Applied Technology &amp; Management
360 Thames St., Suite 1B
Newport, RI  02840
USA

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X-Message-Number: 20
X-lyris-Id: 160669
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 15:45:10 -0400
From: "Tom Jobes" <tjobes@sjrwmd.com>
Subject: RE: Multiple exits in  REACH with HSPF

Krispin,

Yes, it's possible to model GW losses via a reach exit, but you'll have
to come
up with your own method for estimating them, usually based on stage.
Simply
set Nexits=3D2, and set up your FTABLE for your GW losses are exit 1 and
downstream
flow is exit 2.  Make sure that you only route exit 2 downstream in the
SCHEMATIC
or NETWORK block.

Tom Jobes
St Johns River Water Management District
tjobes@sjrwmd.com
386-329-4463
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Subject: [basinsinfo] Multiple exits in REACH with HSPF

 Is that possible add the percolation rate as one of the outflow from
REACH? and how to set this part into the uci file.
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X-Message-Number: 21
X-lyris-Id: 160679
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 10:01:23 +0300
From: janiaho@mappi.helsinki.fi
Subject: WinHSPF faileds to initialize

Dear all,
BASINS 4 gives message box called "BASINS HSPF Error" when  initializing 
WinHSPF and WinHSPF faileds to open. The full message is: "An error 
occured: Conversion from string "271997.080" to type 'Double' is not 
valid." I got this message with my native language before uninstalling .net 
framework 2 language pack. I have  reinstalled BASINS 4 and tried to 
fix .net framework 2 from the command line with: %InstallationPath%
\dotnetfx.exe /t:%temp% /c:"msiexec.exe /fvecms %temp%\netfx.msi". Gould I 
have some adivce how to fix this problem, please.

Thanks in advance,
Jani




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