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1. Add point source in HSPF!
2. BASINS HSPF Error
3. BASINS DEM delineation Error
4. Re: BASINS DEM delineation Error
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14. PCS Data Download error
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18. PCS data use in PLOAD
19. STORET Watershed Summary Web
20. Parameter list for HSPF12?
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23. write weather generator error
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32. Creating a BASINS4.0 and HSPF project from a 2004HSPF project
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41. PLOAD: 'Records found without impervious values'
42. Metric Units in BASINS/HSPF

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X-Message-Number: 1
X-lyris-Id: 165770
Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 17:54:08 +0100
From: Hong Quan Nguyen <q.nguyen@tu-bs.de>
Subject: Add point source in HSPF!

Dear All,

I am trying to simulate the effects of point sources in my study catchment.
I find the in the "create point source" in WinHSPF only provide "Name  
of contaminants", "Factory", "Daily loading", "reach", "scenario".
Thus, I would like to know:
- What is the exact name for each of contaminants to define e.g.  
Suspended solid, Total Nitrogen, Total Phosphorus (which are often  
monitored)
- How to set the location of the point source regarding to its reach?
- How to include the concentration and flow discharge instead of daily  
loading? (I raise this question since got the simulated flow has  
changed much when I add the point source comparing to "without the  
point source". (additional information: the concentration is quite  
high, e.g. suspended solid ~ 1500mg/L)

I have been struggling with this for days. Thus, I would appreciate  
very much if someone could help me.

Thank you very much in advanced,
Best regards,
Quan

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X-Message-Number: 2
X-lyris-Id: 165857
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 09:53:18 -0800 (PST)
From: Mansoor A Baloch <maahbaloch@yahoo.com>
Subject: BASINS HSPF Error

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Hello

For quite some time now I am having this error message appearing when I try to 
delineate or try to run HSPF from BASINS. 

BASINS HSPF ERROR
An error occurred:" Attempted to read or write protected memory. This is often 
an indication that other memory is corrupt.

At first It was happening when I was trying to delineate and create the UCI 
file for my watershed in Turkey. However recently I am getting this message 
when I am trying to create the UCI file for a watershed in USA for which I had 
downloaded all the data from BASINS. I have uninstalled and reinstalled BASINS 
and we have gone through the re installation of  the latest version of OCX file 
for the map window. 

The strangest thing is the message appears either during delineation when 
Automatic watershed delineator is run and from then onwards its stuck. I had to 
create a new BASINS project and try again. With several  uninstall reinstall 
BASINS attempts I finally was able to delineate my watershed but moving to the 
next step for preparation of UCI file I am again getting the same message.

Any ideas?

Thanks

Mansoor A Baloch
Geospatial Software Lab
Idaho State University, Idaho Falls
ID 83401, USA

       
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Hello<br><br>For quite some time now I am having this error message appearing 
when I try to delineate or try to run HSPF from BASINS. <br><br><span 
style="font-weight: bold;">BASINS HSPF ERROR</span><br style="font-weight: 
bold;"><span style="font-weight: bold;">An error occurred:" Attempted to read 
or write protected memory. This is often an indication that other memory is 
corrupt.</span><br><br>At first It was happening when I was trying to delineate 
and create the UCI file for my watershed in Turkey. However recently I am 
getting this message when I am trying to create the UCI file for a watershed in 
USA for which I had downloaded all the data from BASINS. I have uninstalled and 
reinstalled BASINS and we have gone through the re installation of&nbsp; the 
latest version of OCX file for the map window. <br><br>The strangest thing is 
the message appears either during delineation when Automatic watershed 
delineator is run and from then onwards its stuck. I had to create a
 new BASINS project and try again. With several&nbsp; uninstall reinstall 
BASINS attempts I finally was able to delineate my watershed but moving to the 
next step for preparation of UCI file I am again getting the same 
message.<br><br>Any ideas?<br><br>Thanks<br><br>Mansoor A Baloch<br>Geospatial 
Software Lab<br>Idaho State University, Idaho Falls<br>ID 83401, 
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X-Message-Number: 3
X-lyris-Id: 165865
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 14:50:46 -0500
From: "Iskra, Igor" <IIskra@dillon.ca>
Subject: BASINS DEM delineation Error

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Hi all,

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I have a similar problem as Mansoor. When I delineate Canadian =
subwatersheds
I get error messages like:=20

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"Attempted to read or write protected memory. This is often an =
indication
that other memory is corrupt."

"An error occurred while filling the grid: exception of type
"System.OutofMemoryException" was thrown"

Occasionally the BASINS 4.0 shuts down in the middle of DEM processing. =
When
I switched back to Basins 3.1 all DEM processing works perfect.

=20

I tried the following: =20

1. I made sure DEM is projected (NAD83, UTM 18N) and DEM file is sound

2. All files are stored on local hard drives

3. All file names less than 8 characters.

4. Reinstall BASINS 4 several times.

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Any other idea what can cause DEM delineation to fail?=20

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I also noticed that BASINS 4.0 has trouble to handle large DEM. Is it an
internal limitation on size of the grid?

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Thank you very much,

=20

Igor Iskra

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From: Mansoor A Baloch [mailto:maahbaloch@yahoo.com]=20
Sent: February 4, 2008 12:53 PM
To: Private list for BASINS users
Subject: [basinsinfo] BASINS HSPF Error

=20

Hello

For quite some time now I am having this error message appearing when I =
try
to delineate or try to run HSPF from BASINS.=20

BASINS HSPF ERROR
An error occurred:" Attempted to read or write protected memory. This is
often an indication that other memory is corrupt.

At first It was happening when I was trying to delineate and create the =
UCI
file for my watershed in Turkey. However recently I am getting this =
message
when I am trying to create the UCI file for a watershed in USA for which =
I
had downloaded all the data from BASINS. I have uninstalled and =
reinstalled
BASINS and we have gone through the re installation of  the latest =
version of
OCX file for the map window.=20

The strangest thing is the message appears either during delineation =
when
Automatic watershed delineator is run and from then onwards its stuck. I =
had
to create a new BASINS project and try again. With several  uninstall
reinstall BASINS attempts I finally was able to delineate my watershed =
but
moving to the next step for preparation of UCI file I am again getting =
the
same message.

Any ideas?

Thanks

Mansoor A Baloch
Geospatial Software Lab
Idaho State University, Idaho Falls
ID 83401, USA

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt'>I have a similar problem as Mansoor. When I delineate Canadian =
subwatersheds
I get error messages like: <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt'>&#8220;Attempted to read or write protected memory. This is =
often an
indication that other memory is corrupt.&#8221;</span></font><font =
size=3D2><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt'>&#8220;An error occurred while filling the grid: exception of =
type &#8220;System.OutofMemoryException&#8221;
was thrown&#8221;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt'>Occasionally the BASINS 4.0 shuts down in the middle of DEM =
processing.
When I switched back to Basins 3.1 all DEM processing works =
perfect.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt'>I tried the following: &nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt'>1. I made sure DEM is projected (NAD83, UTM 18N) and DEM file is =
sound<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt'>2. All files are stored on local hard =
drives<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt'>3. All file names less than 8 =
characters.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt'>4. Reinstall BASINS 4 several =
times.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt'>Any other idea what can cause DEM delineation to fail? =
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt'>I also noticed that BASINS 4.0 has trouble to handle large DEM. =
Is it an
internal limitation on size of the grid?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
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Mansoor A Baloch
[mailto:maahbaloch@yahoo.com] <br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> February 4, 2008 =
12:53 PM<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName =
w:st=3D"on">Private
 list for BASINS users</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [basinsinfo] =
BASINS HSPF
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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3D3
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Hello<br>
<br>
For quite some time now I am having this error message appearing when I =
try to
delineate or try to run HSPF from BASINS. <br>
<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>BASINS HSPF ERROR<br>
An error occurred:&quot; Attempted to read or write protected memory. =
This is
often an indication that other memory is corrupt.</span></b><br>
<br>
At first It was happening when I was trying to delineate and create the =
UCI
file for my watershed in <st1:country-region w:st=3D"on"><st1:place =
w:st=3D"on">Turkey</st1:place></st1:country-region>.
However recently I am getting this message when I am trying to create =
the UCI
file for a watershed in <st1:country-region w:st=3D"on"><st1:place =
w:st=3D"on">USA</st1:place></st1:country-region>
for which I had downloaded all the data from BASINS. I have uninstalled =
and
reinstalled BASINS and we have gone through the re installation of&nbsp; =
the
latest version of OCX file for the map window. <br>
<br>
The strangest thing is the message appears either during delineation =
when
Automatic watershed delineator is run and from then onwards its stuck. I =
had to
create a new BASINS project and try again. With several&nbsp; uninstall
reinstall BASINS attempts I finally was able to delineate my watershed =
but
moving to the next step for preparation of UCI file I am again getting =
the same
message.<br>
<br>
Any ideas?<br>
<br>
Thanks<br>
<br>
Mansoor A Baloch<br>
Geospatial Software Lab<br>
<st1:place w:st=3D"on"><st1:City w:st=3D"on">Idaho State =
University</st1:City>, <st1:State
 w:st=3D"on">Idaho</st1:State></st1:place> Falls<br>
<st1:place w:st=3D"on"><st1:City w:st=3D"on">ID</st1:City> =
<st1:PostalCode w:st=3D"on">83401</st1:PostalCode>,
 <st1:country-region =
w:st=3D"on">USA</st1:country-region></st1:place><br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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Igor,

It may be time to set up a wiki discussion page where people can upload
problematic data sets and discuss solutions.  As developers of the AWD tool
in BASINS this could help us out (i.e. we could quickly get at your data and
then debug using it.)

In the mean time, if you are able to send me your data directly (
dpames@gmail.com) I'd like to try to run it here.

Dan

On Feb 4, 2008 12:50 PM, Iskra, Igor <IIskra@dillon.ca> wrote:

>  Hi all,
>
>
>
> I have a similar problem as Mansoor. When I delineate Canadian
> subwatersheds I get error messages like:
>
>
>
> "Attempted to read or write protected memory. This is often an indication
> that other memory is corrupt."
>
> "An error occurred while filling the grid: exception of type
> "System.OutofMemoryException" was thrown"
>
> Occasionally the BASINS 4.0 shuts down in the middle of DEM processing.
> When I switched back to Basins 3.1 all DEM processing works perfect.
>
>
>
> I tried the following:
>
> 1. I made sure DEM is projected (NAD83, UTM 18N) and DEM file is sound
>
> 2. All files are stored on local hard drives
>
> 3. All file names less than 8 characters.
>
> 4. Reinstall BASINS 4 several times.
>
>
>
> Any other idea what can cause DEM delineation to fail?
>
>
>
> I also noticed that BASINS 4.0 has trouble to handle large DEM. Is it an
> internal limitation on size of the grid?
>
>
>
> Thank you very much,
>
>
>
> Igor Iskra
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  ------------------------------
>
> *From:* Mansoor A Baloch [mailto:maahbaloch@yahoo.com]
> *Sent:* February 4, 2008 12:53 PM
> *To:* Private list for BASINS users
> *Subject:* [basinsinfo] BASINS HSPF Error
>
>
>
> Hello
>
> For quite some time now I am having this error message appearing when I
> try to delineate or try to run HSPF from BASINS.
>
> *BASINS HSPF ERROR
> An error occurred:" Attempted to read or write protected memory. This is
> often an indication that other memory is corrupt.*
>
> At first It was happening when I was trying to delineate and create the
> UCI file for my watershed in Turkey. However recently I am getting this
> message when I am trying to create the UCI file for a watershed in USA for
> which I had downloaded all the data from BASINS. I have uninstalled and
> reinstalled BASINS and we have gone through the re installation of  the
> latest version of OCX file for the map window.
>
> The strangest thing is the message appears either during delineation when
> Automatic watershed delineator is run and from then onwards its stuck. I had
> to create a new BASINS project and try again. With several  uninstall
> reinstall BASINS attempts I finally was able to delineate my watershed but
> moving to the next step for preparation of UCI file I am again getting the
> same message.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Thanks
>
> Mansoor A Baloch
> Geospatial Software Lab
> Idaho State University, Idaho Falls
> ID 83401, USA
>
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Igor,<br><br>It may be time to set up a wiki discussion page where people can 
upload problematic data sets and discuss solutions.&nbsp; As developers of the 
AWD tool in BASINS this could help us out (i.e. we could quickly get at your 
data and then debug using it.)<br>
<br>In the mean time, if you are able to send me your data directly (<a 
href="mailto:dpames@gmail.com">dpames@gmail.com</a>) I&#39;d like to try to run 
it here.<br><br>Dan<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Feb 4, 2008 12:50 PM, 
Iskra, Igor &lt;<a href="mailto:IIskra@dillon.ca">IIskra@dillon.ca</a>&gt; 
wrote:<br>
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<p><font face="Times New Roman" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">Hi 
all,</span></font></p>

<p><font face="Times New Roman" size="2"><span style="font-size: 
10pt;">&nbsp;</span></font></p>

<p><font face="Times New Roman" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">I have 
a similar problem as Mansoor. When I delineate Canadian subwatersheds
I get error messages like: </span></font></p>

<p><font face="Times New Roman" size="2"><span style="font-size: 
10pt;">&nbsp;</span></font></p>

<p><font face="Times New Roman" size="2"><span style="font-size: 
10pt;">"Attempted to read or write protected memory. This is often an
indication that other memory is corrupt."</span></font><font size="2"><span 
style="font-size: 10pt;"></span></font></p>

<p><font face="Times New Roman" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">"An 
error occurred while filling the grid: exception of type 
"System.OutofMemoryException"
was thrown"</span></font></p>

<p><font face="Times New Roman" size="2"><span style="font-size: 
10pt;">Occasionally the BASINS 4.0 shuts down in the middle of DEM processing.
When I switched back to Basins 3.1 all DEM processing works 
perfect.</span></font></p>

<p><font face="Times New Roman" size="2"><span style="font-size: 
10pt;">&nbsp;</span></font></p>

<p><font face="Times New Roman" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">I tried 
the following: &nbsp;</span></font></p>

<p><font face="Times New Roman" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">1. I 
made sure DEM is projected (NAD83, UTM 18N) and DEM file is 
sound</span></font></p>

<p><font face="Times New Roman" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">2. All 
files are stored on local hard drives</span></font></p>

<p><font face="Times New Roman" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">3. All 
file names less than 8 characters.</span></font></p>

<p><font face="Times New Roman" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">4. 
Reinstall BASINS 4 several times.</span></font></p>

<p><font face="Times New Roman" size="2"><span style="font-size: 
10pt;">&nbsp;</span></font></p>

<p><font face="Times New Roman" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">Any 
other idea what can cause DEM delineation to fail? </span></font></p>

<p><font face="Times New Roman" size="2"><span style="font-size: 
10pt;">&nbsp;</span></font></p>

<p><font face="Times New Roman" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">I also 
noticed that BASINS 4.0 has trouble to handle large DEM. Is it an
internal limitation on size of the grid?</span></font></p>

<p><font face="Times New Roman" size="2"><span style="font-size: 
10pt;">&nbsp;</span></font></p>

<p><font face="Times New Roman" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">Thank 
you very much,</span></font></p>

<p><font face="Times New Roman" size="2"><span style="font-size: 
10pt;">&nbsp;</span></font></p>

<p><font face="Times New Roman" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">Igor 
Iskra</span></font></p>

<p><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 
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size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma;"> Mansoor A Baloch
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<p style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span 
style="font-size: 12pt;">Hello<br>
<br>
For quite some time now I am having this error message appearing when I try to
delineate or try to run HSPF from BASINS. <br>
<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">BASINS HSPF ERROR<br>
An error occurred:&quot; Attempted to read or write protected memory. This is
often an indication that other memory is corrupt.</span></b><br>
<br>
At first It was happening when I was trying to delineate and create the UCI
file for my watershed in Turkey.
However recently I am getting this message when I am trying to create the UCI
file for a watershed in USA
for which I had downloaded all the data from BASINS. I have uninstalled and
reinstalled BASINS and we have gone through the re installation of&nbsp; the
latest version of OCX file for the map window. <br>
<br>
The strangest thing is the message appears either during delineation when
Automatic watershed delineator is run and from then onwards its stuck. I had to
create a new BASINS project and try again. With several&nbsp; uninstall
reinstall BASINS attempts I finally was able to delineate my watershed but
moving to the next step for preparation of UCI file I am again getting the same
message.<br>
<br>
Any ideas?<br>
<br>
Thanks<br>
<br>
Mansoor A Baloch<br>
Geospatial Software Lab<br>
Idaho State University, Idaho Falls<br>
ID 83401,
 USA<br>
<br>
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w:st=3D"on">Chile</st1:place></st1:country-region>.
We will have numerous one-day SWAT, SWAPP (combined SWAT/APEX/FEM), and =
Water
supply, pond design, and levee pond economic analysis workshops along =
with
excellent presentations. Please make arrangement to attend this =
important
conference. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nbsp;=
</o:p></span></font></b></p>

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face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>ASABE&#8217=
;S 21<sup>st</sup><font
color=3Dnavy><span =
style=3D'color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></font></span></font></b></p>

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face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Century =
Watershed
Technology:<font color=3Dnavy><span =
style=3D'color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></font></span></font></b></p>

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face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Improving =
Water
Quality and Environment Conference<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:9.0pt'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>March 29-April 3, =
2008<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:9.0pt'><st1:place =
w:st=3D"on"><st1:PlaceType
 w:st=3D"on"><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
  Arial'>University</span></font></st1:PlaceType><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
 style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> of <st1:PlaceName =
w:st=3D"on">Concepcion</st1:PlaceName></span></font></st1:place><font
size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p=
>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:9.0pt'><st1:place =
w:st=3D"on"><st1:City
 w:st=3D"on"><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
  Arial'>Concepcion</span></font></st1:City><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
 style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>, <st1:country-region =
w:st=3D"on">Chile</st1:country-region></span></font></st1:place><font
size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p=
>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:9.0pt'><b><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nbsp;=
</o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:9.0pt'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>This ASABE Conference, =
sponsored by
SANREM CRSP, TIAER/Tarleton State University and University of =
Concepcion, will
bring together engineers, managers, researchers, producers, politicians, =
and
other professionals in agricultural and environmental industries to =
exchange
information, discuss opportunities, and address challenges of water =
quality
programs.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:9.0pt'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></fo=
nt></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:9.0pt'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Registration forms are =
available
online at <a =
href=3D"http://www.asabe.org/meetings/water2008/08waterpreprog.pdf">http:=
//www.asabe.org/meetings/water2008/08waterpreprog.pdf</a>.
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></fo=
nt></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:9.0pt'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Registration is open and =
available
online at <a =
href=3D"http://www.asabe.org/imis/Source/Members/cMemberInsert.cfm">http:=
//www.asabe.org/imis/Source/Members/cMemberInsert.cfm</a>.
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></fo=
nt></p>

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face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>For more information on =
this
conference, please visit <a
href=3D"http://www.asabe.org/meetings/water2008/index.htm"
title=3D"blocked::http://www.asabe.org/meetings/water2008/index.htm">http=
://www.asabe.org/meetings/water2008/index.htm</a>.<o:p></o:p></span></fon=
t></p>

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color=3Dnavy
face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p>=
</span></font></p>

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face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Please forward this message =
along to
your friends and colleagues who may be interested in =
attending.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy;font-weight:bold'>=
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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy;font-weight:bold'>=
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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy;font-weight:bold'>=
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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy;font-weight:bold'>=
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Regards<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

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color=3Dnavy
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:navy;font-weight:
bold'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dnavy face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:navy;font-weight:bold'>Ali Saleh, =
Conference
Chair<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D3 color=3Dnavy face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:navy;font-weight:bold'>Texas Institute =
for
Applied Environmental Research (TIAER)<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

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Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:navy;font-weight:bold'>&nbsp;<st1:address=
 w:st=3D"on"><st1:Street
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w:st=3D"on"><b><font
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style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;
  =
color:navy;font-weight:bold'>Tarleton</span></font></b></st1:PlaceName><b=
><font
 color=3Dnavy><span style=3D'color:navy;font-weight:bold'> =
<st1:PlaceType w:st=3D"on">State</st1:PlaceType>
 <st1:PlaceType =
w:st=3D"on">University</st1:PlaceType></span></font></b></st1:place><b><f=
ont
color=3Dnavy><span =
style=3D'color:navy;font-weight:bold'><o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

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w:st=3D"on"><b><font size=3D3
  color=3Dnavy face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:navy;
  font-weight:bold'>Stephenville</span></font></b></st1:City><b><font
 color=3Dnavy><span style=3D'color:navy;font-weight:bold'>, <st1:State =
w:st=3D"on">TX</st1:State>
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w:st=3D"on">76402</st1:PostalCode></span></font></b></st1:place><b><font
color=3Dnavy><span =
style=3D'color:navy;font-weight:bold'><o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

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Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:navy;font-weight:bold'>Phone: =
(254)968-9799<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

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Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:navy;font-weight:bold'>Fax: =
(254)968-9790<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

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Roman"><span
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style=3D'font-style:italic'>saleh@tiaer.tarleton.edu<o:p></o:p></span></i=
></span></font></b></p>

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Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 15:20:33 -0600
From: Perkins.Bruce@epamail.epa.gov
Subject: Re: BASINS DEM delineation Error

There was a previous list posting on this problem in Basins 4.0 dated
06/18/2007 from Andrew Fang.

Here is the fix given in that posting,

Go to your
Basins/bin/plugins/watershed_delin
directory and make a backup copy of the mwTaudemBasinsWrapper.dll and
then replace the original with the version at the link below.

http://svn.mapwindow.org/svnroot/MapWindow4Dev/Bin/Plugins/watershed_delin/mwTau
demBasinsWrapper.dll

Instituting this fixed my watershed delineation problems.

Bruce Perkins
Life Scientist - TMDL Team
U.S. E.P.A. Region 7
WWPD/WQMB
901 N 5th Street
Kansas City, KS 66101
perkins.bruce@epa.gov
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Igor,

It may be time to set up a wiki discussion page where people can upload
problematic data sets and discuss solutions.  As developers of the AWD
tool in BASINS this could help us out (i.e. we could quickly get at your
data and then debug using it.)

In the mean time, if you are able to send me your data directly (
dpames@gmail.com) I'd like to try to run it here.

Dan

On Feb 4, 2008 12:50 PM, Iskra, Igor <IIskra@dillon.ca> wrote:
  Hi all,

  I have a similar problem as Mansoor. When I delineate Canadian
  subwatersheds I get error messages like:

  "Attempted to read or write protected memory. This is often an
  indication that other memory is corrupt."

  "An error occurred while filling the grid: exception of type
  "System.OutofMemoryException" was thrown"

  Occasionally the BASINS 4.0 shuts down in the middle of DEM
  processing. When I switched back to Basins 3.1 all DEM processing
  works perfect.

  I tried the following:

  1. I made sure DEM is projected (NAD83, UTM 18N) and DEM file is sound

  2. All files are stored on local hard drives

  3. All file names less than 8 characters.

  4. Reinstall BASINS 4 several times.

  Any other idea what can cause DEM delineation to fail?

  I also noticed that BASINS 4.0 has trouble to handle large DEM. Is it
  an internal limitation on size of the grid?

  Thank you very much,

  Igor Iskra

  From: Mansoor A Baloch [mailto:maahbaloch@yahoo.com]
  Sent: February 4, 2008 12:53 PM
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  Subject: [basinsinfo] BASINS HSPF Error

  Hello

  For quite some time now I am having this error message appearing when
  I try to delineate or try to run HSPF from BASINS.

  BASINS HSPF ERROR
  An error occurred:" Attempted to read or write protected memory. This
  is often an indication that other memory is corrupt.

  At first It was happening when I was trying to delineate and create
  the UCI file for my watershed in Turkey. However recently I am getting
  this message when I am trying to create the UCI file for a watershed
  in USA for which I had downloaded all the data from BASINS. I have
  uninstalled and reinstalled BASINS and we have gone through the re
  installation of  the latest version of OCX file for the map window.

  The strangest thing is the message appears either during delineation
  when Automatic watershed delineator is run and from then onwards its
  stuck. I had to create a new BASINS project and try again. With
  several  uninstall reinstall BASINS attempts I finally was able to
  delineate my watershed but moving to the next step for preparation of
  UCI file I am again getting the same message.

  Any ideas?

  Thanks

  Mansoor A Baloch
  Geospatial Software Lab
  Idaho State University, Idaho Falls
  ID 83401, USA

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Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 13:48:18 -0800 (PST)
From: Mansoor A Baloch <maahbaloch@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Landuse Tool

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Liz
 
Dont you use a classification file?

Mansoor

Liz_Scheessele@URSCorp.com wrote:  Emma,
 
 I usually create a shapefile with the fields GRIDCODE (number code) and LU_GRP 
(string, ex. SFL - Single Family Residential Low Density).  Once that is added 
to your BASINS project and you run the HSPF setup, you then enter impervious %s 
for each of your land uses.  I have found this successful in working with a 
watershed using over 20 different categories.
 
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 [basinsinfo] Landuse Tool        
 When trying to use a landuse layer other than the downloadable GIRAS layer, 
how does one really change the categories for the land use (group several 
landuse types together for example) when using the landuse layer to start up 
HSPF from BASINS?
 It is written that the user can define the categories, but I have been unable 
to do so. It always seems to want to use the GIRAS classes. What do I need in 
order to be able to divide the land use categories the way I want them to be 
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Liz<br>&nbsp;<br>Dont you use a classification 
file?<br><br>Mansoor<br><br><br><b><i>Liz_Scheessele@URSCorp.com</i></b> 
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size="2">Emma,</font><br> <br> <font size="2">I usually create a shapefile with 
the fields GRIDCODE (number code) and LU_GRP (string, ex. SFL - Single Family 
Residential Low Density).  Once that is added to your BASINS project and you 
run the HSPF setup, you then enter impervious %s for each of your land uses.  I 
have found this successful in working with a watershed using over 20 different 
categories.</font><br> <br> <font size="2">Liz Scheessele<br> Project 
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Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 16:39:40 -0700
From: "Allen Richard Anselmo" <shade@turbonet.com>
Subject: Re: BASINS DEM delineation Error

Just to warn everyone, the most current version of the 
mwTaudemBasinsWrapper.dll requires the newest version of the 
MapwinGeoproc.dll to function correctly (and it's also kind of in a beta 
testing for a change I've made to one of the subbasin grid generation, which 
is found in the mapwingeoproc)

You're all welcome to try it out, but to do so, you need to also make a 
backup of your C:\basins\bin\MapWinGeoProc.dll file
then get the newest from 
http://svn.mapwindow.org/svnroot/MapWindow4Dev/Bin/MapWinGeoProc.dll

I _think_ that these are the only two files that have to be updated for the 
newest watershed delin, but if you run into any show-stopping bugs, then I'd 
suggest reverting to your backup dlls and waiting for the basins patch that 
I think is coming out in a month or two potentially.

Sorry for any problems caused by these changes.

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Subject: Re: [basinsinfo] BASINS DEM delineation Error

> There was a previous list posting on this problem in Basins 4.0 dated
> 06/18/2007 from Andrew Fang.
>
> Here is the fix given in that posting,
>
> Go to your
> Basins/bin/plugins/watershed_delin
> directory and make a backup copy of the mwTaudemBasinsWrapper.dll and
> then replace the original with the version at the link below.
>
> 
http://svn.mapwindow.org/svnroot/MapWindow4Dev/Bin/Plugins/watershed_delin/mwTau
demBasinsWrapper.dll
>
> Instituting this fixed my watershed delineation problems.
>
> Bruce Perkins
> Life Scientist - TMDL Team
> U.S. E.P.A. Region 7
> WWPD/WQMB
> 901 N 5th Street
> Kansas City, KS 66101
> perkins.bruce@epa.gov
> 913.551.7067
> fax 913.551.9067
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>             "Daniel Ames"
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>             02/04/2008 02:51                                   Subject
>             PM                       Re: [basinsinfo] BASINS DEM
>                                      delineation Error
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> Igor,
>
> It may be time to set up a wiki discussion page where people can upload
> problematic data sets and discuss solutions.  As developers of the AWD
> tool in BASINS this could help us out (i.e. we could quickly get at your
> data and then debug using it.)
>
> In the mean time, if you are able to send me your data directly (
> dpames@gmail.com) I'd like to try to run it here.
>
> Dan
>
> On Feb 4, 2008 12:50 PM, Iskra, Igor <IIskra@dillon.ca> wrote:
>  Hi all,
>
>
>
>
>
>  I have a similar problem as Mansoor. When I delineate Canadian
>  subwatersheds I get error messages like:
>
>
>
>
>
>  "Attempted to read or write protected memory. This is often an
>  indication that other memory is corrupt."
>
>
>  "An error occurred while filling the grid: exception of type
>  "System.OutofMemoryException" was thrown"
>
>
>  Occasionally the BASINS 4.0 shuts down in the middle of DEM
>  processing. When I switched back to Basins 3.1 all DEM processing
>  works perfect.
>
>
>
>
>
>  I tried the following:
>
>
>  1. I made sure DEM is projected (NAD83, UTM 18N) and DEM file is sound
>
>
>  2. All files are stored on local hard drives
>
>
>  3. All file names less than 8 characters.
>
>
>  4. Reinstall BASINS 4 several times.
>
>
>
>
>
>  Any other idea what can cause DEM delineation to fail?
>
>
>
>
>
>  I also noticed that BASINS 4.0 has trouble to handle large DEM. Is it
>  an internal limitation on size of the grid?
>
>
>
>
>
>  Thank you very much,
>
>
>
>
>
>  Igor Iskra
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>  From: Mansoor A Baloch [mailto:maahbaloch@yahoo.com]
>  Sent: February 4, 2008 12:53 PM
>  To: Private list for BASINS users
>  Subject: [basinsinfo] BASINS HSPF Error
>
>
>
>
>
>  Hello
>
>  For quite some time now I am having this error message appearing when
>  I try to delineate or try to run HSPF from BASINS.
>
>  BASINS HSPF ERROR
>  An error occurred:" Attempted to read or write protected memory. This
>  is often an indication that other memory is corrupt.
>
>  At first It was happening when I was trying to delineate and create
>  the UCI file for my watershed in Turkey. However recently I am getting
>  this message when I am trying to create the UCI file for a watershed
>  in USA for which I had downloaded all the data from BASINS. I have
>  uninstalled and reinstalled BASINS and we have gone through the re
>  installation of  the latest version of OCX file for the map window.
>
>  The strangest thing is the message appears either during delineation
>  when Automatic watershed delineator is run and from then onwards its
>  stuck. I had to create a new BASINS project and try again. With
>  several  uninstall reinstall BASINS attempts I finally was able to
>  delineate my watershed but moving to the next step for preparation of
>  UCI file I am again getting the same message.
>
>  Any ideas?
>
>  Thanks
>
>  Mansoor A Baloch
>  Geospatial Software Lab
>  Idaho State University, Idaho Falls
>  ID 83401, USA
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r important to know which ones are most important to estimate correctly.
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Subject: Re: HSPF sensitivity analysis?

Emma,

HSPF has alot of parameters, and there is no  sensitivity analysis tool
that I know of.  However, you can check out EPA TecNote6, which has good
info on the parameters, their ranges, etc.  Also, different authors have
explored this and there are suggestions available in the literature.  For
example Atkins et al (2005?) have a USGS publication on HSPF simulation of
WV watersheds where they discuss which parameters the model was most
sensitive to.  You can download the document from the USGS web site.

For straight-up watershed/hydro modeling, the parameters the model is most
sensitive to will include INFILT and LZETP (for water balance) and the
storage parameters (UZSN and LZSN) as well as recession rates (AGWRC, IRC)
for hydrograph shape.

Hourly vs. Daily- HSPF needs hourly data to run.  If you only have daily
precip and min/max daily temps, you can use the WDMUTIL disaggregate tool
to generate estimates of hourly rain/temp distribution (pyramidal
distribution centered on the time of daily record).  The model runs on
hourly basis but you can set flags in the UCI file to only output daily
totals to match your daily input data.

Good luck!

Joe Ferrari

>
> I am wondering whether HSPF includes some form of an automatic sensitivity
> analysis tool to help in deciding what parameters are most sensitive to
> change, in order to get a good result? With so many parameters, it feels
> rather important to know which ones are most important to estimate
> correctly.
> Also, does HSPF only run on hourly data? There is no option to have it run
> on daily data or less?
>
> Sincerely,
> Emma Radahl
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Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 09:54:35 -0500
From: "Tom Jobes" <tjobes@sjrwmd.com>
Subject: RE: HSPF sensitivity analysis?

Emma,

HSPF and its suite of interface programs do not include any sensitivity
analysis tools; however the model
can be linked to PEST do perform this.  If the BASINS website doesn't
have any links, then I can try
to dig you up a reference or two on how to do this.  As far as
importance of parameters in calibration,
then I second the previous poster's suggestion to review Tech Note 6 -
it's perhaps one of the most
important things to read besides the manual itself when one is first
learning to apply HSPF.

I also wanted to correct the previous poster's last paragraph.
Technically HSPF can run at any timestep=20
from 1 minute to 1 day (as long as it divides evenly into a day), and
can accept data at any of those timesteps. =20
Generally, however, it is best to run at the same timestep as your
available precipitation data.  While daily precip=20
is much more common than hourly, the model performance is simply not as
good with a daily timestep, so disaggregation
of the rainfall to hourly as he mentions is used in the vast majority of
cases where hourly rainfall is not available
for use directly.  The WinHSPF interface in some places implicitly
assumes that you want to do this, making
it easy to conclude that hourly is the only way.   Daily runs are very
rare, and fifteen-minute and five-minute runs
are done where such rainfall data exists , but this is also uncommon.

Tom Jobes
St Johns River Water Management District
tjobes@sjrwmd.com
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Subject: Re: [basinsinfo] HSPF sensitivity analysis?

Emma,

HSPF has alot of parameters, and there is no  sensitivity analysis tool
that I know of.  However, you can check out EPA TecNote6, which has good
info on the parameters, their ranges, etc.  Also, different authors have
explored this and there are suggestions available in the literature.
For
example Atkins et al (2005?) have a USGS publication on HSPF simulation
of
WV watersheds where they discuss which parameters the model was most
sensitive to.  You can download the document from the USGS web site.

For straight-up watershed/hydro modeling, the parameters the model is
most
sensitive to will include INFILT and LZETP (for water balance) and the
storage parameters (UZSN and LZSN) as well as recession rates (AGWRC,
IRC)
for hydrograph shape.

Hourly vs. Daily- HSPF needs hourly data to run.  If you only have daily
precip and min/max daily temps, you can use the WDMUTIL disaggregate
tool
to generate estimates of hourly rain/temp distribution (pyramidal
distribution centered on the time of daily record).  The model runs on
hourly basis but you can set flags in the UCI file to only output daily
totals to match your daily input data.

Good luck!

Joe Ferrari

>
> I am wondering whether HSPF includes some form of an automatic
sensitivity
> analysis tool to help in deciding what parameters are most sensitive
to
> change, in order to get a good result? With so many parameters, it
feels
> rather important to know which ones are most important to estimate
> correctly.
> Also, does HSPF only run on hourly data? There is no option to have it
run
> on daily data or less?
>
> Sincerely,
> Emma Radahl
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Date: Thu,  7 Feb 2008 15:07:27 -0000
From: "Eric Hempel" <eric.hempel@dnr.mo.gov>
Subject: PCS Data Download error

When attempting to download PCS Data for use with a PLOAD screen, I get the 
following error in the log:Error: could not find CSV URL in the output:
Can anyone help me?

Thanks,

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Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 09:44:32 -0600
From: "Lian, Yanqing" <y-lian@sws.uiuc.edu>
Subject: BASINS 4.0 Runtime error

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Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 10:49:05 -0500
From: Partington.Ed@epamail.epa.gov
Subject: Re: PCS Data Download error

When you download PCS using the BASINS Data Download Tool the CSV file
can be found under the
 /BASINS/Cache/clsPCSDischarge folder.

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When attempting to download PCS Data for use with a PLOAD screen, I get
the following error in the log:Error: could not find CSV URL in the
output:
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Thanks,

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Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 11:13:47 -0500
From: Partington.Ed@epamail.epa.gov
Subject: Re: BASINS 4.0 Runtime error

If you were trying to download STORET data then this link is broken
because the STORET Group has reconfigured their web data download
services. We are currently working on a fix. You will need to download
STORET data from their web site at http://www.epa.gov/storet/

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BASINS 4.o crushed while downloading water quality data. There is an
runtime error (Microsoft Visual C++ runtime library) while trying to
open again. I reinstalled BASINS 4 but same error.

Thanks

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From: "Eric Hempel" <eric.hempel@dnr.mo.gov>
Subject: PCS data use in PLOAD

Ed, Thanks for the info. 

I was able to get the data to download, but when I run the PLOAD model with the 
"use point sources" box checked on the point source tab, and I change the Point 
Source loading file to the dbf I run into questions. First the data downloaded 
into two .dbf files and many .csv files, which of these should I use? and do I 
need to combine the files of like format into one file?

I tried running the model with the .dbf files combined into one and separately, 
the model results were identical each time. As I am modelling for TN and TP and 
there are several WWTP in the modelled watershed, I am skeptical that I have 
correctly set the model up to use the PCS data.

Thanks for the help, 

Eric Hempel
Water Quality Standards
Water Protection Program
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Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 11:51:25 -0500
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Subject: STORET Watershed Summary Web

If you want to know what's data is available in STORET for a particular
8 digit HUC then checkout the STORET Watershed Summary at
http://www.epa.gov/storet/wtshd_summary.html
For a selected watershed the organization name and the number of
stations and the time period for the data such as metals, nutrients, or
pesticides are displayed. Then further links are available for number of
samples, type of sample, and time period collected.

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Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2008 12:29:13 +0100
From: Emma Radahl <emma_1982@hotmail.com>
Subject: Parameter list for HSPF12?

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I found a comprehensive parameter listing for HSPF v11 at http://www.epa.go=
v/waterscience/basins/b3docs/secb.pdf. I'm curious if there exists a parame=
ter list like this one for HSPF12 as well. It would be greatly appreciated =
(since I am trying to get an overview on what parameters I will need to kno=
w in order to fully be able to use HSPF12.). The one for HSPF v11 is good, =
but I cannot seem to find all the parameters there (for example, PWAT-PARM =
5-7 are missing).
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I am also curious if there exists a list on what modules need to be turned =
on/off in order to run certain types of simulations. I've found some help i=
n TecNote3 so far. Also, is there always a set order how the different modu=
les need to be run and calibrated for a simulation (if I want to model nutr=
ients, do I first need to calibrate for hydrology, then for sediment, water=
 temperature etc - and after all that is finished, I then choose either the=
 QUAL modules or the AGCHEM one)? If I know that have wet atmospheric depos=
ition, do I also need to take this into consideration from the start?
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/www.epa.gov/waterscience/basins/b3docs/secb.pdf">http://www.epa.gov/waters=
cience/basins/b3docs/secb.pdf</A>. I'm curious if there exists a parameter =
list like this one for HSPF12 as well. It would be greatly appreciated (sin=
ce I am trying to get an overview on what parameters I will need to know in=
 order to fully be able to use HSPF12.). The one for HSPF v11 is good, but =
I cannot seem to find all the parameters there (for example, PWAT-PARM 5-7 =
are missing).<BR>
&nbsp;<BR>
I am also curious if there exists a list on what modules need to be turned =
on/off in order to run certain types of simulations. I've found some help i=
n TecNote3&nbsp;so&nbsp;far. Also, is there always a set order&nbsp;how the=
&nbsp;different modules need to be&nbsp;run and calibrated for a simulation=
 (if I want to model nutrients, do I first&nbsp;need to calibrate&nbsp;for =
hydrology, then for sediment, water temperature etc - and after all that is=
 finished, I then choose&nbsp;either the&nbsp;QUAL modules or the AGCHEM on=
e)?&nbsp;If I know that have wet atmospheric deposition, do I also need to =
take this into consideration from the start?<BR>
&nbsp;<BR>
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Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2008 23:19:49 -0800
From: "Burkey, Jeff" <Jeff.Burkey@kingcounty.gov>
Subject: RE: Parameter list for HSPF12?

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HI Emma,

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The parameter list you're referring too is part of version 12.X.  You
should go to the EPA link and update your version of HSFP/BASINS (you
don't have to go 4.0 to get the parameter list you're looking for, just
the newest 3.x version).  The new user's manual in the form of a help
file (i.e. CHM) will contain all that information. In the user's manual,
it does specify all the dependencies when running a particular module.
In general (but not explicitly), the dependencies of activities follow
the sequence of flags in the "ACTIVITY" table specified in the manual
and UCI files from left to right.  Aqua Terra has done a great job
making things intuitive and consistent over all these years on
maintenance for HSPF.  That is no small feat!  Very easy for things to
become "spaghetti" code, when something lives as long as HSPF (1977?)

=20

I think once you familiarize yourself with HSPF you'll quickly find the
most efficient matter to develop a hydrodynamic and nutrient watershed
model(s).  Like you mentioned, the conventional sequence is water
quantity, then sediment, shade, then temperature, algae/macrophytes,
nutrients, etc.  Sediment should be done prior to nutrients based on the
assumed absorption, settling, and re-suspension rates for your situation
(what you didn't mention but probably inferred are you hydraulics-those
will drive your hydrology and sediments) and assuming you have the data.
As you can imagine temperature is equally important, what may not be so
obvious is the shade component to modeling stream temperatures.  If
you're in an area where riparian vegetation can contribute significant
and variable amounts of shade to a stream given its position to the
stream and sun, shade can be a critical element to successfully
generating a robust water temperature model.  HSPF has two (anyone
correct me if I'm wrong) methods: a simple constant  per reach, and a
physically based model derived from Chen's work-again all is listed in
the manual). Brian Bicknell did a great job incorporating the physical
shade modeling from Chen into HSPF.  For a lot of EPA TMDL work our
there, water temperatures is a common limiting factor, and something
that warrants a more physically based approach. One note about water
temperature modeling (again maybe this is fixed), if water depths in
your FTABLEs get too shallow, the water temperature will default to air
temperature which is definitely not the case in non-agricultural higher
energy systems.  This really only becomes an issue in headwater
catchments, or I guess in systems with very broad channels relative to
depth.  The quick fix is to create a "pilot" channel in your ftable that
does not let the AVDEP get below ~ 0.2 feet- but this then affects the
suspended sediment modeling, and so forth.  I bold that because the
average depth is not the same as FTABLE depth (i.e. DEP).  AVDEP is
based on reach volume and surface area, which depending on your channel
geometry can be widely different from your FTABLE depth.

=20

You're wet/dry atmospheric depositions can be significant in nutrients
(and other analytes) depending on regional land use practices, whether
they are sensitive to your overall nutrient models completely depends on
your local conditions and assumed scenarios to be run.  As Curtis (a
colleague) would say, there are many other non-point sources for
nutrient loadings beyond atmospheric to worry about-fertilization
practices, failing septics, CSO outfalls, etc-although if it's a cheap
monitoring program to solve 5% of your loads...why not?

=20

My personal philosophy on what to include, if you have credible data
appropriate to calibrate a model too, use it. It's one less degree of
freedom for your critics to focus on-but give yourself some wiggle room.
IF you have a completely data driven model that doesn't calibrate well,
you have a BIG problem to solve, which you'll spend revising your
algorithms.  Groundwater loads is a nice BIG knob to turn, but NOT the
first, unless of course your focus for your study is groundwater.  In
that case, I would use a different model.=20

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Regards

- jeff

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I found a comprehensive parameter listing for HSPF v11 at
http://www.epa.gov/waterscience/basins/b3docs/secb.pdf. I'm curious if
there exists a parameter list like this one for HSPF12 as well. It would
be greatly appreciated (since I am trying to get an overview on what
parameters I will need to know in order to fully be able to use
HSPF12.). The one for HSPF v11 is good, but I cannot seem to find all
the parameters there (for example, PWAT-PARM 5-7 are missing).
=20
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turned on/off in order to run certain types of simulations. I've found
some help in TecNote3 so far. Also, is there always a set order how the
different modules need to be run and calibrated for a simulation (if I
want to model nutrients, do I first need to calibrate for hydrology,
then for sediment, water temperature etc - and after all that is
finished, I then choose either the QUAL modules or the AGCHEM one)? If I
know that have wet atmospheric deposition, do I also need to take this
into consideration from the start?
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>HI =
Emma,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>The parameter list you&#8217;re =
referring
too is part of version 12.X.&nbsp; You should go to the EPA link and =
update
your version of HSFP/BASINS (you don&#8217;t have to go 4.0 to get the
parameter list you&#8217;re looking for, just the newest 3.x =
version).&nbsp;
The new user&#8217;s manual in the form of a help file (i.e. CHM) will =
contain
all that information. In the user&#8217;s manual, it does specify all =
the
dependencies when running a particular module.&nbsp; In general (but not
explicitly), the dependencies of activities follow the sequence of flags =
in the
&#8220;ACTIVITY&#8221; table specified in the manual and UCI files from =
left to
right. &nbsp;Aqua Terra has done a great job making things intuitive and
consistent over all these years on maintenance for HSPF.&nbsp; That is =
no small
feat!&nbsp; Very easy for things to become &#8220;spaghetti&#8221; code, =
when
something lives as long as HSPF (1977?)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I think once you familiarize =
yourself with
HSPF you&#8217;ll quickly find the most efficient matter to develop a
hydrodynamic and nutrient watershed model(s).&nbsp; Like you mentioned, =
the
conventional sequence is water quantity, then sediment, <i><span
style=3D'font-style:italic'>shade</span></i>, then temperature, =
algae/macrophytes,
nutrients, etc.&nbsp; Sediment should be done prior to nutrients based =
on the
assumed absorption, settling, and re-suspension rates for your situation =
(what
you didn&#8217;t mention but probably inferred are you =
hydraulics&#8212;those will
drive your hydrology and sediments) and assuming you have the data. As =
you can
imagine temperature is equally important, what may not be so obvious is =
the
shade component to modeling stream temperatures.&nbsp; If you&#8217;re =
in an
area where riparian vegetation can contribute significant and variable =
amounts of
shade to a stream given its position to the stream and sun, shade can be =
a
critical element to successfully generating a robust water temperature
model.&nbsp; HSPF has two (anyone correct me if I&#8217;m wrong) =
methods: a simple
constant &nbsp;per reach, and a physically based model derived from =
Chen&#8217;s
work&#8212;again all is listed in the manual). Brian Bicknell did a =
great job incorporating
the physical shade modeling from Chen into HSPF.&nbsp; For a lot of EPA =
TMDL
work our there, water temperatures is a common limiting factor, and =
something
that warrants a more physically based approach. One note about water
temperature modeling (again maybe this is fixed), if water depths in =
your
FTABLEs get too shallow, the water temperature will default to air =
temperature which
is definitely not the case in non-agricultural higher energy =
systems.&nbsp; This
really only becomes an issue in headwater catchments, or I guess in =
systems
with very broad channels relative to depth.&nbsp; The quick fix is to =
create a &#8220;pilot&#8221;
channel in your ftable that does not let the </span></font><b><span
style=3D'font-weight:bold'>AVDEP</span></b> <font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>get below ~ 0.2 =
feet- but
this then affects the suspended sediment modeling, and so forth.&nbsp; I =
bold
that because the average depth is not the same as FTABLE depth (i.e.
DEP).&nbsp; AVDEP is based on reach volume and surface area, which =
depending on
your channel geometry can be widely different from your FTABLE =
depth.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>You&#8217;re wet/dry atmospheric
depositions can be significant in nutrients (and other analytes) =
depending on
regional land use practices, whether they are sensitive to your overall
nutrient models completely depends on your local conditions and assumed
scenarios to be run.&nbsp; As Curtis (a colleague) would say, there are =
many
other non-point sources for nutrient loadings beyond atmospheric to =
worry about&#8212;fertilization
practices, failing septics, CSO outfalls, etc&#8212;although if =
it&#8217;s a
cheap monitoring program to solve 5% of your loads&#8230;why =
not?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>My personal philosophy on what to =
include,
if you have credible data appropriate to calibrate a model too, use it. =
It&#8217;s
one less degree of freedom for your critics to focus on&#8212;but give =
yourself
some wiggle room. IF you have a completely data driven model that =
doesn&#8217;t
calibrate well, you have a BIG problem to solve, which you&#8217;ll =
spend revising
your algorithms.&nbsp; Groundwater loads is a nice BIG knob to turn, but =
NOT
the first, unless of course your focus for your study is =
groundwater.&nbsp; In
that case, I would use a different model. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
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face=3DTahoma><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>I found a comprehensive =
parameter
listing for HSPF v11 at <a
href=3D"http://www.epa.gov/waterscience/basins/b3docs/secb.pdf">http://ww=
w.epa.gov/waterscience/basins/b3docs/secb.pdf</a>.
I'm curious if there exists a parameter list like this one for HSPF12 as =
well.
It would be greatly appreciated (since I am trying to get an overview on =
what
parameters I will need to know in order to fully be able to use =
HSPF12.). The
one for HSPF v11 is good, but I cannot seem to find all the parameters =
there
(for example, PWAT-PARM 5-7 are missing).<br>
&nbsp;<br>
I am also curious if there exists a list on what modules need to be =
turned
on/off in order to run certain types of simulations. I've found some =
help in
TecNote3&nbsp;so&nbsp;far. Also, is there always a set order&nbsp;how
the&nbsp;different modules need to be&nbsp;run and calibrated for a =
simulation
(if I want to model nutrients, do I first&nbsp;need to =
calibrate&nbsp;for
hydrology, then for sediment, water temperature etc - and after all that =
is
finished, I then choose&nbsp;either the&nbsp;QUAL modules or the AGCHEM
one)?&nbsp;If I know that have wet atmospheric deposition, do I also =
need to
take this into consideration from the start?<br>
&nbsp;<br>
Sincerely,<br>
Emma Radahl<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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Unless you are using a non EPA version of HSPF (i.e. USGS, but I doubt
that would be any problem either), I don't think there are any
compatibility problems with version 11 UCI files and version 12 UCI
files.  Version 12 is additive in nature. I can send you the CHM (i.e
user's manual) for you to peruse if you're not wanting to upgrade prior
to seeing it.=20

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I found a comprehensive parameter listing for HSPF v11 at
http://www.epa.gov/waterscience/basins/b3docs/secb.pdf. I'm curious if
there exists a parameter list like this one for HSPF12 as well. It would
be greatly appreciated (since I am trying to get an overview on what
parameters I will need to know in order to fully be able to use
HSPF12.). The one for HSPF v11 is good, but I cannot seem to find all
the parameters there (for example, PWAT-PARM 5-7 are missing).
=20
I am also curious if there exists a list on what modules need to be
turned on/off in order to run certain types of simulations. I've found
some help in TecNote3 so far. Also, is there always a set order how the
different modules need to be run and calibrated for a simulation (if I
want to model nutrients, do I first need to calibrate for hydrology,
then for sediment, water temperature etc - and after all that is
finished, I then choose either the QUAL modules or the AGCHEM one)? If I
know that have wet atmospheric deposition, do I also need to take this
into consideration from the start?
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face=3DTahoma><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>I found a comprehensive =
parameter
listing for HSPF v11 at <a
href=3D"http://www.epa.gov/waterscience/basins/b3docs/secb.pdf">http://ww=
w.epa.gov/waterscience/basins/b3docs/secb.pdf</a>.
I'm curious if there exists a parameter list like this one for HSPF12 as =
well.
It would be greatly appreciated (since I am trying to get an overview on =
what
parameters I will need to know in order to fully be able to use =
HSPF12.). The
one for HSPF v11 is good, but I cannot seem to find all the parameters =
there
(for example, PWAT-PARM 5-7 are missing).<br>
&nbsp;<br>
I am also curious if there exists a list on what modules need to be =
turned
on/off in order to run certain types of simulations. I've found some =
help in
TecNote3&nbsp;so&nbsp;far. Also, is there always a set order&nbsp;how
the&nbsp;different modules need to be&nbsp;run and calibrated for a =
simulation
(if I want to model nutrients, do I first&nbsp;need to =
calibrate&nbsp;for
hydrology, then for sediment, water temperature etc - and after all that =
is
finished, I then choose&nbsp;either the&nbsp;QUAL modules or the AGCHEM =
one)?&nbsp;If
I know that have wet atmospheric deposition, do I also need to take this =
into
consideration from the start?<br>
&nbsp;<br>
Sincerely,<br>
Emma Radahl<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 11:48:32 -0800
From: "Xuyang Zhang" <xuyzhang@ucdavis.edu>
Subject: write weather generator error

Hi there,
I am running SWAT through BASINS. When I tried to write the weather
generator data, an error occur saying " attempt to access data out of
range 16". I checked the "txtinout" folder, the .wgn file was missing
for one of my subbasin ( the one with largest subbasin id). Can you
please help me trouble-shoot the problem. Thanks.

Xuyang

Xuyang Zhang
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Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 13:39:45 -0500
From: Partington.Ed@epamail.epa.gov
Subject: USGS Gage Daily Values Data Failed When Conversion to WDM Problem 
Corrected with a New Script

A minor change in the USGS Daily Values gage data downloaded from the
Data Download Tool in BASINS, made the script that converts the data
into a WDM files format fail. Therefore a new "USGSdvBASINSdownload"
script was created to replace the existing script. Please see the first
question under BASINS General Questions on the web page at
http://www.epa.gov/waterscience/basins/bsn3faqs.htm
to download and then replace the existing script.

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is linked to ArcGIS so that the delineations etc can be performed in the Ar=
cGIS?

What is the difference between running ArcSwat and running SWAT from BASINS=
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Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 10:49:17 -0600
From: "Rahim, Mustafa" <rahim@uiuc.edu>
Subject: HSPF Fatal Error: Overflow and ERROR/WARNING ID:   347   1 Heat or DO?

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Hello guys,=20
We have 31 watersheds, and we ran all of them with same sets of
parameters with same flags raised on. But few of them faced several
errors and run could not be completed. One of the error is HSPF Fatal
Error:Overflow - occurred while running the model through WinHSPFLit.=20
In .ech file it pointed out:
************************************************************************
************

* *

* ERROR/WARNING ID: 347 1 *

* *

* DATE/TIME: 2000/ 7/31 21: 0 *

* *

* RCHRES: 11 *

* *

* The calculated saturation dissolved oxygen concentration (SATDO) is *

* negative. This occurs when the water temperature above 66 C (150 F). *

* In most cases, this indicates an error in the time series input *

* (GATMP if HTRCH is on, TW if HTRCH is off). *

* *

* Relevant values are : *

* *

* SATDO TW *

* -2.992E+00 73.06 *

* *

************************************************************************
************

=20
So I checked the climate data and did not find any higher temp.I also
checked the mass link for multiple IHEAT. BUT when I turned off OX flags
then it worked, but I have to turn on the OX flags. Any suggestion is
highly appreciated! Thanks
=20
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Center For Watershed Science
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<P>* RCHRES: 11 *</P>
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<P>* In most cases, this indicates an error in the time series input =
*</P>
<P>* (GATMP if HTRCH is on, TW if HTRCH is off). *</P>
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<P>* Relevant values are : *</P>
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Subject: Re: HSPF Fatal Error: Overflow and ERROR/WARNING ID:   347   1 Heat or 
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Based on the error message, HSPF thinks you do have a water temperature 
above 66 degrees Celsius.  More specifically, according to the message 
HSPF is finding a water temperature of 73.06 degrees on July 31, 2000 for 
time series TW.  From the message, it looks like you have input this time 
series and that it is not being computed using GATMP for air temperature. 
Perhaps your temperature series is in Fahrenheit and you have told HSPF it 
is Celsius?

 Kate 

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[basinsinfo] HSPF Fatal Error: Overflow and ERROR/WARNING ID:   347   1 
Heat or DO?

Hello guys, 
We have 31 watersheds, and we ran all of them with same sets of parameters 
with same flags raised on. But few of them faced several errors and run 
could not be completed. One of the error is HSPF Fatal Error:Overflow - 
occurred while running the model through WinHSPFLit. 
In .ech file it pointed out:
********************************************************************************
****
* *
* ERROR/WARNING ID: 347 1 *
* *
* DATE/TIME: 2000/ 7/31 21: 0 *
* *
* RCHRES: 11 *
* *
* The calculated saturation dissolved oxygen concentration (SATDO) is *
* negative. This occurs when the water temperature above 66 C (150 F). *
* In most cases, this indicates an error in the time series input *
* (GATMP if HTRCH is on, TW if HTRCH is off). *
* *
* Relevant values are : *
* *
* SATDO TW *
* -2.992E+00 73.06 *
* *
********************************************************************************
****
 
So I checked the climate data and did not find any higher temp.I also 
checked the mass link for multiple IHEAT. BUT when I turned off OX flags 
then it worked, but I have to turn on the OX flags. Any suggestion is 
highly appreciated! Thanks
 
 
Mustafa Rahim
Center For Watershed Science
Illinois State Water Survey
Champaign, IL
 
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<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Based on the error message, HSPF thinks
you do have a water temperature above 66 degrees Celsius. &nbsp;More 
specifically,
according to the message HSPF is finding a water temperature of 73.06 degrees
on July 31, 2000 for time series TW. &nbsp;From the message, it looks like
you have input this time series and that it is not being computed using
GATMP for air temperature. &nbsp;Perhaps your temperature series is in
Fahrenheit and you have told HSPF it is Celsius?</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">&nbsp;Kate </font>
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<br><font size=2 face="Arial">Hello guys, </font>
<br><font size=2 face="Arial">We have 31 watersheds, and we ran all of
them with same sets of parameters with same flags raised on. But few of
them faced several errors and run could not be completed. One of the error
is<b> HSPF Fatal Error:Overflow</b> - occurred while running the model
through WinHSPFLit. </font>
<br><font size=2 face="Arial">In .ech file it pointed out:</font>
<p><font size=2 
face="Arial">*******************************************************************
*****************</font>
<p><font size=2 face="Arial">* *</font>
<p><font size=2 face="Arial">* ERROR/WARNING ID: 347 1 *</font>
<p><font size=2 face="Arial">* *</font>
<p><font size=2 face="Arial">* DATE/TIME: 2000/ 7/31 21: 0 *</font>
<p><font size=2 face="Arial">* *</font>
<p><font size=2 face="Arial">* RCHRES: 11 *</font>
<p><font size=2 face="Arial">* *</font>
<p><font size=2 face="Arial">* The calculated saturation dissolved oxygen
concentration (SATDO) is *</font>
<p><font size=2 face="Arial">* negative. This occurs when the water temperature
above 66 C (150 F). *</font>
<p><font size=2 face="Arial">* In most cases, this indicates an error in
the time series input *</font>
<p><font size=2 face="Arial">* (GATMP if HTRCH is on, TW if HTRCH is off).
*</font>
<p><font size=2 face="Arial">* *</font>
<p><font size=2 face="Arial">* Relevant values are : *</font>
<p><font size=2 face="Arial">* *</font>
<p><font size=2 face="Arial">* SATDO TW *</font>
<p><font size=2 face="Arial">* -2.992E+00 73.06 *</font>
<p><font size=2 face="Arial">* *</font>
<p><font size=2 
face="Arial">*******************************************************************
*****************</font>
<p><font size=3>&nbsp;</font>
<br><font size=2 face="Arial">So I checked the climate data and did not
find any higher temp.I also checked the mass link for multiple IHEAT. BUT
when I turned off OX flags then it worked, but I have to turn on the OX
flags. Any suggestion is highly appreciated! Thanks</font>
<br><font size=3>&nbsp;</font>
<br><font size=3>&nbsp;</font>
<br><font size=2 face="Arial">Mustafa Rahim</font>
<br><font size=2 face="Arial">Center For Watershed Science</font>
<br><font size=2 face="Arial">Illinois State Water Survey</font>
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Subject: RE: HSPF Fatal Error: Overflow and ERROR/WARNING ID:   347   1 Heat or 
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Thanks Kate, But Model was run in English unit and all of the inputs are
in English unit. So HSPF should treat temp in Fahrenheit. When I turned
off OX Flags then it works! But if I turned on  OX flag then problem
happens, WINHSPFLt shutdown showing Fatal Error: Overflow. May be its
not simply a problem reading temp from input series. Fatal
Error:Overflow may be the problem that shutdown model run.
Any idea! I have sent back error msg. several times through HSPF
automatic feedback!=20
=20
Mustafa Rahim=20
Center For Watershed Science=20
Illinois State Water Survey=20
Champaign, IL=20

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From: Kate Flynn [mailto:kmflynn@usgs.gov]=20
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 3:16 PM
To: Private list for BASINS users
Subject: Re: [basinsinfo] HSPF Fatal Error: Overflow and ERROR/WARNING
ID: 347 1 Heat or DO?

Based on the error message, HSPF thinks you do have a water temperature
above 66 degrees Celsius.  More specifically, according to the message
HSPF is finding a water temperature of 73.06 degrees on July 31, 2000
for time series TW.  From the message, it looks like you have input this
time series and that it is not being computed using GATMP for air
temperature.  Perhaps your temperature series is in Fahrenheit and you
have told HSPF it is Celsius?=20

 Kate=20

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Hello guys,=20
We have 31 watersheds, and we ran all of them with same sets of
parameters with same flags raised on. But few of them faced several
errors and run could not be completed. One of the error is HSPF Fatal
Error:Overflow - occurred while running the model through WinHSPFLit.=20
In .ech file it pointed out:=20

************************************************************************
************=20

* *=20

* ERROR/WARNING ID: 347 1 *=20

* *=20

* DATE/TIME: 2000/ 7/31 21: 0 *=20

* *=20

* RCHRES: 11 *=20

* *=20

* The calculated saturation dissolved oxygen concentration (SATDO) is *=20

* negative. This occurs when the water temperature above 66 C (150 F). *

* In most cases, this indicates an error in the time series input *=20

* (GATMP if HTRCH is on, TW if HTRCH is off). *=20

* *=20

* Relevant values are : *=20

* *=20

* SATDO TW *=20

* -2.992E+00 73.06 *=20

* *=20

************************************************************************
************=20

So I checked the climate data and did not find any higher temp.I also
checked the mass link for multiple IHEAT. BUT when I turned off OX flags
then it worked, but I have to turn on the OX flags. Any suggestion is
highly appreciated! Thanks=20
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Mustafa Rahim=20
Center For Watershed Science=20
Illinois State Water Survey=20
Champaign, IL=20
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we ran all of them with same sets of parameters with same flags raised =
on. But=20
few of them faced several errors and run could not be completed. One of =
the=20
error is<B> HSPF Fatal Error:Overflow</B> - occurred while running the =
model=20
through WinHSPFLit. </FONT><BR><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>In .ech file =
it pointed=20
out:</FONT>=20
<P><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>****************************************************************=
********************</FONT>=20

<P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>* *</FONT>=20
<P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>* ERROR/WARNING ID: 347 1 *</FONT>=20
<P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>* *</FONT>=20
<P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>* DATE/TIME: 2000/ 7/31 21: 0 *</FONT>=20
<P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>* *</FONT>=20
<P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>* RCHRES: 11 *</FONT>=20
<P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>* *</FONT>=20
<P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>* The calculated saturation dissolved =
oxygen=20
concentration (SATDO) is *</FONT>=20
<P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>* negative. This occurs when the water =
temperature=20
above 66 C (150 F). *</FONT>=20
<P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>* In most cases, this indicates an error =
in the time=20
series input *</FONT>=20
<P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>* (GATMP if HTRCH is on, TW if HTRCH is =
off).=20
*</FONT>=20
<P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>* *</FONT>=20
<P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>* Relevant values are : *</FONT>=20
<P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>* *</FONT>=20
<P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>* SATDO TW *</FONT>=20
<P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>* -2.992E+00 73.06 *</FONT>=20
<P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>* *</FONT>=20
<P><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>****************************************************************=
********************</FONT>=20

<P><FONT size=3D3></FONT> <BR><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>So I checked =
the climate=20
data and did not find any higher temp.I also checked the mass link for =
multiple=20
IHEAT. BUT when I turned off OX flags then it worked, but I have to turn =
on the=20
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Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 16:02:49 -0800
From: Brian Bicknell <bicknell@aquaterra.com>
Subject: Re: HSPF Fatal Error: Overflow and ERROR/WARNING ID: 347   1 Heat or 
DO?

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Mustafa,<br>
<br>
You could have an artifact in the flow calculations for this RCHRES
(related to the FTABLE) that is causing an instability in the advection
of heat. This sometimes causes high temperatures that occur for a
single time interval. If you look at the simulated temperature values
at short intervals, you might see occasional spikes that are caused by
this instability.&nbsp; Try to increase the value of KS for the affected
RCHRES in the HYDR-PARM2 table. If it is currently zero, try increasing
it to 0.3-0.4. That might take care of the problem.<br>
<br>
-Brian Bicknell<br>
AQUA TERRA Consultants<br>
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Rahim, Mustafa wrote:
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  <div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="049552522-25022008"><font
 color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2">Thanks Kate, But Model was run
in English unit and all of the inputs are in English unit. So HSPF
should treat temp in Fahrenheit. When I turned off OX Flags then it
works! But if I turned on&nbsp; OX flag then problem happens, WINHSPFLt
shutdown showing Fatal Error: Overflow. May be its not simply a problem
reading temp from input series. Fatal Error:Overflow may be the problem
that shutdown model run.</font></span></div>
  <div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="049552522-25022008"><font
 color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2">Any idea! I have sent back error
msg. several times through HSPF&nbsp; automatic feedback! </font></span></div>
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  <div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="049552522-25022008"><font
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Rahim</font><font color="#000000"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3">
  <br>
  </font><font face="Arial" size="2">Center For Watershed 
Science</font></font><font
 color="#000000"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"> <br>
  </font><font face="Arial" size="2">Illinois State Water 
Survey</font></font><font
 color="#000000"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"> <br>
  </font><font face="Arial" size="2">Champaign, IL</font><font
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  <div dir="ltr" align="left"><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><b>From:</b>
Kate Flynn [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:kmflynn@usgs.gov
">mailto:kmflynn@usgs.gov</a>] <br>
  <b>Sent:</b> Monday, February 25, 2008 3:16 PM<br>
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  <b>Subject:</b> Re: [basinsinfo] HSPF Fatal Error: Overflow and
ERROR/WARNING ID: 347 1 Heat or DO?<br>
  </font><br>
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  <br>
  <font face="sans-serif" size="2">Based on the error message, HSPF
thinks you do have a water temperature above 66 degrees Celsius. &nbsp;More
specifically, according to the message HSPF is finding a water
temperature of 73.06 degrees on July 31, 2000 for time series TW. &nbsp;From
the message, it looks like you have input this time series and that it
is not being computed using GATMP for air temperature. &nbsp;Perhaps your
temperature series is in Fahrenheit and you have told HSPF it is
Celsius?</font> <br>
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  <font face="Arial" size="2">Hello guys, </font><br>
  <font face="Arial" size="2">We have 31 watersheds, and we ran all of
them with same sets of parameters with same flags raised on. But few of
them faced several errors and run could not be completed. One of the
error is<b> HSPF Fatal Error:Overflow</b> - occurred while running the
model through WinHSPFLit. </font><br>
  <font face="Arial" size="2">In .ech file it pointed out:</font>
  <p><font face="Arial" 
size="2">***********************************************************************
*************</font>
  </p>
  <p><font face="Arial" size="2">* *</font> </p>
  <p><font face="Arial" size="2">* ERROR/WARNING ID: 347 1 *</font> </p>
  <p><font face="Arial" size="2">* *</font> </p>
  <p><font face="Arial" size="2">* DATE/TIME: 2000/ 7/31 21: 0 *</font>
  </p>
  <p><font face="Arial" size="2">* *</font> </p>
  <p><font face="Arial" size="2">* RCHRES: 11 *</font> </p>
  <p><font face="Arial" size="2">* *</font> </p>
  <p><font face="Arial" size="2">* The calculated saturation dissolved
oxygen concentration (SATDO) is *</font> </p>
  <p><font face="Arial" size="2">* negative. This occurs when the water
temperature above 66 C (150 F). *</font> </p>
  <p><font face="Arial" size="2">* In most cases, this indicates an
error in the time series input *</font> </p>
  <p><font face="Arial" size="2">* (GATMP if HTRCH is on, TW if HTRCH
is off). *</font> </p>
  <p><font face="Arial" size="2">* *</font> </p>
  <p><font face="Arial" size="2">* Relevant values are : *</font> </p>
  <p><font face="Arial" size="2">* *</font> </p>
  <p><font face="Arial" size="2">* SATDO TW *</font> </p>
  <p><font face="Arial" size="2">* -2.992E+00 73.06 *</font> </p>
  <p><font face="Arial" size="2">* *</font> </p>
  <p><font face="Arial" 
size="2">***********************************************************************
*************</font>
  </p>
  <p> <br>
  <font face="Arial" size="2">So I checked the climate data and did not
find any higher temp.I also checked the mass link for multiple IHEAT.
BUT when I turned off OX flags then it worked, but I have to turn on
the OX flags. Any suggestion is highly appreciated! Thanks</font> <br>
  <font size="3">&nbsp;</font> <br>
  <font size="3">&nbsp;</font> <br>
  <font face="Arial" size="2">Mustafa Rahim</font> <br>
  <font face="Arial" size="2">Center For Watershed Science</font> <br>
  <font face="Arial" size="2">Illinois State Water Survey</font> <br>
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X-Message-Number: 30
X-lyris-Id: 166571
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 08:43:30 +0100
From: Hong Quan Nguyen <q.nguyen@tu-bs.de>
Subject: Hourly nutrient simulation!

Dear All,

I am trying to run HSPF for nutrient transport at hourly time step but  
I could not manage (though it work properly if I run at daily time step)

I would preciate very much if someone could help me!

Best regards,
Hong-Quan NGUYEN

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X-Message-Number: 31
X-lyris-Id: 166578
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 18:26:06 -0500
From: "Jon Butcher" <jo3n@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: HSPF Fatal Error: Overflow and ERROR/WARNING ID:   347   1 Heat or 
DO?

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The error message is due to the high temperature and its effect on =
calculation of saturation DO.  This situation can arise for several =
other reasons than those cited.  One is instability in the advection =
scheme that results in anomalous heat loads - particularly when the =
volume in a reach is low.  Try setting a lower value of KS in ADCALC, =
which controls the weighting between outflow demand at the start and end =
of the interval.  The BASINS default of 0.5 (equal weighting) is more =
accurate, but 0 is unconditionally stable.   Also check that the problem =
is not due to the reach becoming very shallow.  You can also try using a =
shorter time step.

Jon Butcher
Tetra Tech
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Rahim, Mustafa=20
  To: Private list for BASINS users=20
  Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 5:38 PM
  Subject: RE: [basinsinfo] HSPF Fatal Error: Overflow and ERROR/WARNING =
ID: 347 1 Heat or DO?

  Thanks Kate, But Model was run in English unit and all of the inputs =
are in English unit. So HSPF should treat temp in Fahrenheit. When I =
turned off OX Flags then it works! But if I turned on  OX flag then =
problem happens, WINHSPFLt shutdown showing Fatal Error: Overflow. May =
be its not simply a problem reading temp from input series. Fatal =
Error:Overflow may be the problem that shutdown model run.
  Any idea! I have sent back error msg. several times through HSPF  =
automatic feedback!=20

  Mustafa Rahim=20
  Center For Watershed Science=20
  Illinois State Water Survey=20
  Champaign, IL=20

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  From: Kate Flynn [mailto:kmflynn@usgs.gov]=20
  Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 3:16 PM
  To: Private list for BASINS users
  Subject: Re: [basinsinfo] HSPF Fatal Error: Overflow and ERROR/WARNING =
ID: 347 1 Heat or DO?

  Based on the error message, HSPF thinks you do have a water =
temperature above 66 degrees Celsius.  More specifically, according to =
the message HSPF is finding a water temperature of 73.06 degrees on July =
31, 2000 for time series TW.  From the message, it looks like you have =
input this time series and that it is not being computed using GATMP for =
air temperature.  Perhaps your temperature series is in Fahrenheit and =
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   Kate=20

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  We have 31 watersheds, and we ran all of them with same sets of =
parameters with same flags raised on. But few of them faced several =
errors and run could not be completed. One of the error is HSPF Fatal =
Error:Overflow - occurred while running the model through WinHSPFLit.=20
  In .ech file it pointed out:=20
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*************************************************************************=
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  * *=20

  * ERROR/WARNING ID: 347 1 *=20

  * *=20

  * DATE/TIME: 2000/ 7/31 21: 0 *=20

  * *=20

  * RCHRES: 11 *=20

  * *=20

  * The calculated saturation dissolved oxygen concentration (SATDO) is =
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  * negative. This occurs when the water temperature above 66 C (150 F). =
*=20

  * In most cases, this indicates an error in the time series input *=20

  * (GATMP if HTRCH is on, TW if HTRCH is off). *=20

  * *=20

  * Relevant values are : *=20

  * *=20

  * SATDO TW *=20

  * -2.992E+00 73.06 *=20

  * *=20

  =
*************************************************************************=
***********=20

  So I checked the climate data and did not find any higher temp.I also =
checked the mass link for multiple IHEAT. BUT when I turned off OX flags =
then it worked, but I have to turn on the OX flags. Any suggestion is =
highly appreciated! Thanks=20
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, February 25, 2008 =
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [basinsinfo] HSPF =
Fatal=20
  Error: Overflow and ERROR/WARNING ID: 347 1 Heat or DO?</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D049552522-25022008><FONT =
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  color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Thanks Kate, But Model was run in English =
unit and all of=20
  the inputs are in English unit. So HSPF should treat temp in =
Fahrenheit. When=20
  I turned off OX Flags then it works! But if I turned on&nbsp; OX flag =
then=20
  problem happens, WINHSPFLt shutdown showing Fatal Error: Overflow. May =
be its=20
  not simply a problem reading temp from input series. Fatal =
Error:Overflow may=20
  be the problem that shutdown model run.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D049552522-25022008><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
  color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Any idea! I have sent back error msg. several =
times=20
  through HSPF&nbsp; automatic feedback! </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D049552522-25022008><FONT =
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size=3D2>Champaign,=20
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  DO?<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
  <DIV></DIV><BR><FONT face=3Dsans-serif size=3D2>Based on the error =
message, HSPF=20
  thinks you do have a water temperature above 66 degrees Celsius. =
&nbsp;More=20
  specifically, according to the message HSPF is finding a water =
temperature of=20
  73.06 degrees on July 31, 2000 for time series TW. &nbsp;From the =
message, it=20
  looks like you have input this time series and that it is not being =
computed=20
  using GATMP for air temperature. &nbsp;Perhaps your temperature series =
is in=20
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            <TD><FONT face=3Dsans-serif size=3D1>[basinsinfo] HSPF Fatal =
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size=3D2>We have 31=20
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same=20
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not be=20
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occurred=20
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face=3DArial=20
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  =
size=3D2>****************************************************************=
********************</FONT>=20

  <P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>* *</FONT>=20
  <P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>* ERROR/WARNING ID: 347 1 *</FONT>=20
  <P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>* *</FONT>=20
  <P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>* DATE/TIME: 2000/ 7/31 21: 0 *</FONT>=20
  <P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>* *</FONT>=20
  <P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>* RCHRES: 11 *</FONT>=20
  <P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>* *</FONT>=20
  <P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>* The calculated saturation dissolved =
oxygen=20
  concentration (SATDO) is *</FONT>=20
  <P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>* negative. This occurs when the water =
temperature=20
  above 66 C (150 F). *</FONT>=20
  <P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>* In most cases, this indicates an =
error in the=20
  time series input *</FONT>=20
  <P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>* (GATMP if HTRCH is on, TW if HTRCH is =
off).=20
  *</FONT>=20
  <P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>* *</FONT>=20
  <P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>* Relevant values are : *</FONT>=20
  <P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>* *</FONT>=20
  <P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>* SATDO TW *</FONT>=20
  <P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>* -2.992E+00 73.06 *</FONT>=20
  <P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>* *</FONT>=20
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  <P><FONT size=3D3></FONT><BR><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>So I checked =
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Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 16:15:23 -0500 (EST)
From: plapal1@umbc.edu
Subject: Creating a BASINS4.0 and HSPF project from a 2004HSPF project

I am trying to recreate and edit a model used in a 2004 water quality
report created using HSPF. I have several .inp files which I believe
represent data for several sections of the watershed - I also have a .wdm
and a wdm.txt file. The .inp files contain code (opened through notepad)
that is similar to the contents of a .uci, created by BASINS. Only one of
the .inp files is relevant to the watershed I am interested in.

I have created a new BASINS project for the gunpowder watershed, which
encompasses everything covered by the '04 report (including the Gwynns
Falls - my interest). After saving this basic project, a .uci was created.
I copied the code from the 2004 .inp file and pasted it over the .uci for
my new BASINS project. It's hard to tell if BASINS assimilated all of the
relevant data, however. Could there be a problem caused by taking a .uci
and replacing all of its code with code that may only be relevant to a
small section of the overall watershed?

Also - when launching WinHSPF from my BASINS project, everything seems to
work normally. I had to fill out an Initial Met Segment with some
constituents and DSNs (HSPF was able to find them on its own, as many of
the constituents had only one dropdown-menu choice). After completing this
table I saved the project and closed. Whenever I try to reopen it winHSPF
gives me an error from the Hspf Engine:
?Type Mismatch ReceiveMessage(ACTIVATE gf feb25 -1)."
gf feb25 is the name of the HSPF project.

If I open WinHSPF through BASINS and save without closing it, a layout of
the RCHRES in the watershed appears - so I launched GenScn to see if I
could recreate any of the output included in the 2004 report. However,
whenever I add Time Series to the list, a message shows that none of the
TS have any data.

Sorry for the long questions. Any input would be appreciated. Thanks.

- Peter

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Thanks
Liz

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Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 08:13:56 -0500
From: "Tom Jobes" <tjobes@sjrwmd.com>
Subject: RE: Creating a BASINS4.0 and HSPF project from a 2004HSPF project

Peter,

First of all, don't worry about .inp or .uci - the old DOS HSPF has no
assumed file extension.
The convention shifted from .inp to .uci beginning in the 1990s, and by
the time that WinHspf
was developed, the feeling was that the .uci extension was superior, as
it more clearly set apart
the files as HSPF inputs, whereas .inp seemed too generic.  You should
be able to simply rename
the old file and open it in WinHspf.

You probably cannot simply copy just the input tables, for example, from
the old to the new input=20
file because the segmentation, land uses, numbering scheme and such will
almost certainly differ=20
from the one you built with BASINS.  But it is easy to tell how well the
resulting file is being=20
"assimilated" by reading the MESSU file (typically with .ech extension).
This file "echoes" what=20
is being read for each operation.

If you can use the old file as is, then you should have no problems.
Running a subset is also easy,
as all you have to do is remove (or comment out) the unneeded operations
in OPN SEQUENCE.
If you need to update the segmentation, land use classification, etc,
however, you will have to
go through table by table and manually adapt the old parameters to your
new scheme.

Hope this helps,

Tom Jobes
St Johns River Water Management District
tjobes@sjrwmd.com
W: 386-328-4463
C: 386-937-6341

-----Original Message-----
From: plapal1@umbc.edu [mailto:plapal1@umbc.edu]=20
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 4:15 PM
To: Private list for BASINS users
Subject: [basinsinfo] Creating a BASINS4.0 and HSPF project from a
2004HSPF project

I am trying to recreate and edit a model used in a 2004 water quality
report created using HSPF. I have several .inp files which I believe
represent data for several sections of the watershed - I also have a
.wdm
and a wdm.txt file. The .inp files contain code (opened through notepad)
that is similar to the contents of a .uci, created by BASINS. Only one
of
the .inp files is relevant to the watershed I am interested in.

I have created a new BASINS project for the gunpowder watershed, which
encompasses everything covered by the '04 report (including the Gwynns
Falls - my interest). After saving this basic project, a .uci was
created.
I copied the code from the 2004 .inp file and pasted it over the .uci
for
my new BASINS project. It's hard to tell if BASINS assimilated all of
the
relevant data, however. Could there be a problem caused by taking a .uci
and replacing all of its code with code that may only be relevant to a
small section of the overall watershed?

Also - when launching WinHSPF from my BASINS project, everything seems
to
work normally. I had to fill out an Initial Met Segment with some
constituents and DSNs (HSPF was able to find them on its own, as many of
the constituents had only one dropdown-menu choice). After completing
this
table I saved the project and closed. Whenever I try to reopen it
winHSPF
gives me an error from the Hspf Engine:
?Type Mismatch ReceiveMessage(ACTIVATE gf feb25 -1)."
gf feb25 is the name of the HSPF project.

If I open WinHSPF through BASINS and save without closing it, a layout
of
the RCHRES in the watershed appears - so I launched GenScn to see if I
could recreate any of the output included in the 2004 report. However,
whenever I add Time Series to the list, a message shows that none of the
TS have any data.

Sorry for the long questions. Any input would be appreciated. Thanks.

- Peter

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Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 08:17:39 -0500
From: "Tom Jobes" <tjobes@sjrwmd.com>
Subject: RE: setting a background concentration of a GQUAL in HSPF

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How exactly do you mean "background concentration"?  You cannot
establish either a constant concentration or

a baseflow concentration within GQUAL, as it must maintain a mass
balance.  You could assign a concentration

to runoff in the MASS-LINK block, and then let GQUAL compute the
resulting advection, transformations, etc

in the water column - is this the kind of thing you mean?

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St Johns River Water Management District

tjobes@sjrwmd.com

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opposed to setting only an initial concentration, DQAL)?
Thanks
Liz

Liz Scheessele
Project Engineer
URS Corporation
277 Bendix Rd. Suite 500
Virginia Beach, VA 23452
757-499-4224 ext. 1266

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to set a background concentration of a GQUAL in HSPF (as opposed to =
setting
only an initial concentration, DQAL)?</span><br>
<span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>Thanks</span><br>
<span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>Liz</span><br>
<br>
<span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>Liz Scheessele<br>
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From: "Su, Yu-Chun" <YCSu@pbsj.com>
Subject: RE: setting a background concentration of a GQUAL in HSPF

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One other way might be to set up a timeseries with constant
concentration in a WDM file, and have it enter into the right spot using
Ext Sources.

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Yu-Chun Su, Ph.D., P.E., CFM, CPESC, CPSWQ

PBS&J

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Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 7:18 AM
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How exactly do you mean "background concentration"?  You cannot
establish either a constant concentration or

a baseflow concentration within GQUAL, as it must maintain a mass
balance.  You could assign a concentration

to runoff in the MASS-LINK block, and then let GQUAL compute the
resulting advection, transformations, etc

in the water column - is this the kind of thing you mean?

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Tom Jobes

St Johns River Water Management District

tjobes@sjrwmd.com

W: 386-328-4463

C: 386-937-6341

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Is there a way to set a background concentration of a GQUAL in HSPF (as
opposed to setting only an initial concentration, DQAL)?
Thanks
Liz

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Project Engineer
URS Corporation
277 Bendix Rd. Suite 500
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757-499-4224 ext. 1266

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either
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concentration within GQUAL, as it must maintain a mass balance.&nbsp; =
You could
assign a concentration</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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face=3DCalibri><span
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in the
MASS-LINK block, and then let GQUAL compute the resulting advection,
transformations, etc</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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Roman"><span
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concentration of a
GQUAL in HSPF (as opposed to setting only an initial concentration, =
DQAL)?</span></font><br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>Thanks</span></font><br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>Liz</span></font><br>
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Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 14:17:47 -0500
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Subject: RE: setting a background concentration of a GQUAL in HSPF

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Because a point source is input in mass units, this will not work
directly, assuming flow is not constant.  You

could post-process the flow, multiply it out by the desired
concentration to compute mass and store it in

the WDM to be used as a point source load, but this is essentially a
more complicated way to do the same=20

thing as using a multiplier in the MASS-LINK.

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Tom Jobes

St Johns River Water Management District

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One other way might be to set up a timeseries with constant
concentration in a WDM file, and have it enter into the right spot using
Ext Sources.

=20

Yu-Chun Su, Ph.D., P.E., CFM, CPESC, CPSWQ

PBS&J

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From: Tom Jobes [mailto:tjobes@sjrwmd.com]=20
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 7:18 AM
To: Private list for BASINS users
Subject: RE: [basinsinfo] setting a background concentration of a GQUAL
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=20

How exactly do you mean "background concentration"?  You cannot
establish either a constant concentration or

a baseflow concentration within GQUAL, as it must maintain a mass
balance.  You could assign a concentration

to runoff in the MASS-LINK block, and then let GQUAL compute the
resulting advection, transformations, etc

in the water column - is this the kind of thing you mean?

=20

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St Johns River Water Management District

tjobes@sjrwmd.com

W: 386-328-4463

C: 386-937-6341

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Is there a way to set a background concentration of a GQUAL in HSPF (as
opposed to setting only an initial concentration, DQAL)?
Thanks
Liz

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Project Engineer
URS Corporation
277 Bendix Rd. Suite 500
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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color:#1F497D'>Because a point source is input in mass units, this will =
not
work directly, assuming flow is not constant.&nbsp; You</span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>could post-process the flow, multiply it out by the =
desired
concentration to compute mass and store it in</span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>the WDM to be used as a point source load, but this is =
essentially
a more complicated way to do the same </span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>thing as using a multiplier in the MASS-LINK.</span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:#244236'>Tom
Jobes</span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:#244236'>St
Johns River Water Management District</span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:#244236'>tjobes@sjrwmd.com</=
span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:#244236'>W:
386-328-4463</span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:#244236'>C:
386-937-6341</span></p>

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</b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
Su, Yu-Chun
[mailto:YCSu@pbsj.com] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, February 28, 2008 9:55 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Private list for BASINS users<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [basinsinfo] setting a background concentration of a =
GQUAL
in HSPF</span></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;</p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>One other way might be to set up a timeseries with constant
concentration in a WDM file, and have it enter into the right spot using =
Ext
Sources.</span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>&nbsp;</span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>Yu-Chun Su, Ph.D., P.E., CFM, CPESC, CPSWQ</span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>PBS&amp;J</span></p>

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color:navy'>&nbsp;</span></p>

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</b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
Tom Jobes
[mailto:tjobes@sjrwmd.com] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, February 28, 2008 7:18 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Private list for BASINS users<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [basinsinfo] setting a background concentration of a =
GQUAL
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>How exactly do you mean &#8220;background =
concentration&#8221;?&nbsp; You
cannot establish either a constant concentration or</span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>a baseflow concentration within GQUAL, as it must =
maintain a
mass balance.&nbsp; You could assign a concentration</span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>to runoff in the MASS-LINK block, and then let GQUAL =
compute the
resulting advection, transformations, etc</span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>in the water column &#8211; is this the kind of thing you =
mean?</span></p>

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Jobes</span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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Johns River Water Management District</span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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386-328-4463</span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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386-937-6341</span></p>

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Liz_Scheessele@URSCorp.com [mailto:Liz_Scheessele@URSCorp.com] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, February 27, 2008 7:16 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Private list for BASINS users<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [basinsinfo] setting a background concentration of a =
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there a way
to set a background concentration of a GQUAL in HSPF (as opposed to =
setting
only an initial concentration, DQAL)?</span><br>
<span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>Thanks</span><br>
<span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>Liz</span><br>
<br>
<span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>Liz Scheessele<br>
Project Engineer<br>
URS Corporation<br>
277 Bendix Rd. Suite 500<br>
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Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 12:09:43 -0500 (EST)
From: plapal1@umbc.edu
Subject: RE: Creating a BASINS4.0 and HSPF project from a 2004HSPF project

Thank you very much. I will try it out on Monday.

> Peter,
>
> First of all, don't worry about .inp or .uci - the old DOS HSPF has no
> assumed file extension.
> The convention shifted from .inp to .uci beginning in the 1990s, and by
> the time that WinHspf
> was developed, the feeling was that the .uci extension was superior, as
> it more clearly set apart
> the files as HSPF inputs, whereas .inp seemed too generic.  You should
> be able to simply rename
> the old file and open it in WinHspf.
>
> You probably cannot simply copy just the input tables, for example, from
> the old to the new input
> file because the segmentation, land uses, numbering scheme and such will
> almost certainly differ
> from the one you built with BASINS.  But it is easy to tell how well the
> resulting file is being
> "assimilated" by reading the MESSU file (typically with .ech extension).
> This file "echoes" what
> is being read for each operation.
>
> If you can use the old file as is, then you should have no problems.
> Running a subset is also easy,
> as all you have to do is remove (or comment out) the unneeded operations
> in OPN SEQUENCE.
> If you need to update the segmentation, land use classification, etc,
> however, you will have to
> go through table by table and manually adapt the old parameters to your
> new scheme.
>
> Hope this helps,
>
> Tom Jobes
> St Johns River Water Management District
> tjobes@sjrwmd.com
> W: 386-328-4463
> C: 386-937-6341
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: plapal1@umbc.edu [mailto:plapal1@umbc.edu]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 4:15 PM
> To: Private list for BASINS users
> Subject: [basinsinfo] Creating a BASINS4.0 and HSPF project from a
> 2004HSPF project
>
> I am trying to recreate and edit a model used in a 2004 water quality
> report created using HSPF. I have several .inp files which I believe
> represent data for several sections of the watershed - I also have a
> .wdm
> and a wdm.txt file. The .inp files contain code (opened through notepad)
> that is similar to the contents of a .uci, created by BASINS. Only one
> of
> the .inp files is relevant to the watershed I am interested in.
>
> I have created a new BASINS project for the gunpowder watershed, which
> encompasses everything covered by the '04 report (including the Gwynns
> Falls - my interest). After saving this basic project, a .uci was
> created.
> I copied the code from the 2004 .inp file and pasted it over the .uci
> for
> my new BASINS project. It's hard to tell if BASINS assimilated all of
> the
> relevant data, however. Could there be a problem caused by taking a .uci
> and replacing all of its code with code that may only be relevant to a
> small section of the overall watershed?
>
> Also - when launching WinHSPF from my BASINS project, everything seems
> to
> work normally. I had to fill out an Initial Met Segment with some
> constituents and DSNs (HSPF was able to find them on its own, as many of
> the constituents had only one dropdown-menu choice). After completing
> this
> table I saved the project and closed. Whenever I try to reopen it
> winHSPF
> gives me an error from the Hspf Engine:
> ?Type Mismatch ReceiveMessage(ACTIVATE gf feb25 -1)."
> gf feb25 is the name of the HSPF project.
>
> If I open WinHSPF through BASINS and save without closing it, a layout
> of
> the RCHRES in the watershed appears - so I launched GenScn to see if I
> could recreate any of the output included in the 2004 report. However,
> whenever I add Time Series to the list, a message shows that none of the
> TS have any data.
>
> Sorry for the long questions. Any input would be appreciated. Thanks.
>
> - Peter
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Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 15:03:44 -0500
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Good point. =20

=20

It really depends on what "background concentration" Liz is trying to
handle.  I assume it in general is a constant loading from non-runoff
related sources, so having a timeseries in WDM can easily bring it into
the model (you're right about the mass versus concentration though).
Using the multiplier in mass-link is an easier way but the numbers are
limited to 10 digits, which may not be enough for some constituents such
as bacteria where the numbers can be really big.  Using E format could
fit the data into the 10 digits but the resolution of the data ended up
suffering.  We have encountered this problem before so we decided to go
with the WDM approach to allow us the flexibility to use whatever
numbers we need to put in. =20

=20

Thanks.

=20

Yu-Chun Su, Ph.D., P.E., CFM, CPESC, CPSWQ

PBS&J

=20

________________________________

From: Tom Jobes [mailto:tjobes@sjrwmd.com]=20
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 1:18 PM
To: Private list for BASINS users
Subject: RE: [basinsinfo] setting a background concentration of a GQUAL
in HSPF

=20

Because a point source is input in mass units, this will not work
directly, assuming flow is not constant.  You

could post-process the flow, multiply it out by the desired
concentration to compute mass and store it in

the WDM to be used as a point source load, but this is essentially a
more complicated way to do the same=20

thing as using a multiplier in the MASS-LINK.

=20

Tom Jobes

St Johns River Water Management District

tjobes@sjrwmd.com

W: 386-328-4463

C: 386-937-6341

=20

From: Su, Yu-Chun [mailto:YCSu@pbsj.com]=20
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 9:55 AM
To: Private list for BASINS users
Subject: RE: [basinsinfo] setting a background concentration of a GQUAL
in HSPF

=20

One other way might be to set up a timeseries with constant
concentration in a WDM file, and have it enter into the right spot using
Ext Sources.

=20

Yu-Chun Su, Ph.D., P.E., CFM, CPESC, CPSWQ

PBS&J

=20

________________________________

From: Tom Jobes [mailto:tjobes@sjrwmd.com]=20
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 7:18 AM
To: Private list for BASINS users
Subject: RE: [basinsinfo] setting a background concentration of a GQUAL
in HSPF

=20

How exactly do you mean "background concentration"?  You cannot
establish either a constant concentration or

a baseflow concentration within GQUAL, as it must maintain a mass
balance.  You could assign a concentration

to runoff in the MASS-LINK block, and then let GQUAL compute the
resulting advection, transformations, etc

in the water column - is this the kind of thing you mean?

=20

Tom Jobes

St Johns River Water Management District

tjobes@sjrwmd.com

W: 386-328-4463

C: 386-937-6341

=20

From: Liz_Scheessele@URSCorp.com [mailto:Liz_Scheessele@URSCorp.com]=20
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 7:16 PM
To: Private list for BASINS users
Subject: [basinsinfo] setting a background concentration of a GQUAL in
HSPF

=20

Is there a way to set a background concentration of a GQUAL in HSPF (as
opposed to setting only an initial concentration, DQAL)?
Thanks
Liz

Liz Scheessele
Project Engineer
URS Corporation
277 Bendix Rd. Suite 500
Virginia Beach, VA 23452
757-499-4224 ext. 1266

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
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<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>It really depends on what =
&#8220;background
concentration&#8221; Liz is trying to handle.&nbsp; I assume it in =
general is a
constant loading from non-runoff related sources, so having a timeseries =
in WDM
can easily bring it into the model (you&#8217;re right about the mass =
versus
concentration though).&nbsp; Using the multiplier in mass-link is an =
easier way
but the numbers are limited to 10 digits, which may not be enough for =
some
constituents such as bacteria where the numbers can be really big.&nbsp; =
Using E
format could fit the data into the 10 digits but the resolution of the =
data
ended up suffering.&nbsp; We have encountered this problem before so we =
decided
to go with the WDM approach to allow us the flexibility to use whatever =
numbers
we need to put in.&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Thanks.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>=

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Yu-Chun Su, Ph.D., P.E., CFM, =
CPESC, CPSWQ</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>PBS&amp;J</span></font><o:p></o:p></=
p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font =
size=3D2
face=3DTahoma><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> Tom =
Jobes
[mailto:tjobes@sjrwmd.com] <br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, February =
28, 2008
1:18 PM<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Private list for =
BASINS users<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: [basinsinfo] =
setting
a background concentration of a GQUAL in =
HSPF</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3D"#1f497d" =
face=3DCalibri><span
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>Because a =
point
source is input in mass units, this will not work directly, assuming =
flow is
not constant.&nbsp; You</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3D"#1f497d" =
face=3DCalibri><span
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>could =
post-process
the flow, multiply it out by the desired concentration to compute mass =
and
store it in</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3D"#1f497d" =
face=3DCalibri><span
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>the WDM to =
be used
as a point source load, but this is essentially a more complicated way =
to do
the same </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3D"#1f497d" =
face=3DCalibri><span
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>thing as =
using a
multiplier in the MASS-LINK.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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River Water
Management District</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font =
size=3D2
face=3DTahoma><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> Su, =
Yu-Chun
[mailto:YCSu@pbsj.com] <br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, February =
28, 2008
9:55 AM<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Private list for =
BASINS users<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: [basinsinfo] =
setting
a background concentration of a GQUAL in =
HSPF</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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</div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>One other way might be to set up a =
timeseries
with constant concentration in a WDM file, and have it enter into the =
right
spot using Ext Sources.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>&nbsp;</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Yu-Chun Su, Ph.D., P.E., CFM, =
CPESC, CPSWQ</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>PBS&amp;J</span></font><o:p></o:p></=
p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>&nbsp;</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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size=3D3
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>

<hr size=3D2 width=3D"100%" align=3Dcenter>

</span></font></div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font =
size=3D2
face=3DTahoma><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> Tom =
Jobes
[mailto:tjobes@sjrwmd.com] <br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, February =
28, 2008
7:18 AM<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Private list for =
BASINS users<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: [basinsinfo] =
setting
a background concentration of a GQUAL in =
HSPF</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

</div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3D"#1f497d" =
face=3DCalibri><span
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>How exactly =
do you
mean &#8220;background concentration&#8221;?&nbsp; You cannot establish =
either
a constant concentration or</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3D"#1f497d" =
face=3DCalibri><span
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>a baseflow
concentration within GQUAL, as it must maintain a mass balance.&nbsp; =
You could
assign a concentration</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3D"#1f497d" =
face=3DCalibri><span
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>to runoff =
in the
MASS-LINK block, and then let GQUAL compute the resulting advection,
transformations, etc</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3D"#1f497d" =
face=3DCalibri><span
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>in the =
water column
&#8211; is this the kind of thing you mean?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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face=3DCambria><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Cambria;color:#244236'>St Johns =
River Water
Management District</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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face=3DCambria><span
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d.com</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font =
size=3D2
face=3DTahoma><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
Liz_Scheessele@URSCorp.com [mailto:Liz_Scheessele@URSCorp.com] <br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, February =
27, 2008
7:16 PM<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Private list for =
BASINS users<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [basinsinfo] =
setting a
background concentration of a GQUAL in HSPF</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3D2 face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>Is there a way to set a background =
concentration of a
GQUAL in HSPF (as opposed to setting only an initial concentration, =
DQAL)?</span></font><br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>Thanks</span></font><br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>Liz</span></font><br>
<br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>Liz Scheessele<br>
Project Engineer<br>
URS Corporation<br>
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500</st1:address></st1:Street><br>
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<st1:State
 w:st=3D"on">VA</st1:State> <st1:PostalCode =
w:st=3D"on">23452</st1:PostalCode></st1:place><br>
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From: "Tom Jobes" <tjobes@sjrwmd.com>
Subject: RE: setting a background concentration of a GQUAL in HSPF

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For constant load, the timeseries option will work well, yes, but the
original poster was looking at constant background concentration, not=20

load.  The 10 spaces for the multiplier gives 5-7 significant digits,
depending on sign and size of exponent -  I've never felt the need for
more=20

than that, given the much greater uncertainty in other parts of the
modeling process.

=20

As I discussed offline with the original poster, another useful way to
do this is to use PQUAL to generate the loadings, with the baseflow=20

concentration AOQC (constant or monthly) providing the background.
PQUAL will then report the mass balance for you, plus give you

options on generating the storm loadings.

=20

Tom Jobes

St Johns River Water Management District

tjobes@sjrwmd.com

W: 386-328-4463

C: 386-937-6341

=20

From: Su, Yu-Chun [mailto:YCSu@pbsj.com]=20
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 3:04 PM
To: Private list for BASINS users
Subject: RE: [basinsinfo] setting a background concentration of a GQUAL
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=20

Good point. =20

=20

It really depends on what "background concentration" Liz is trying to
handle.  I assume it in general is a constant loading from non-runoff
related sources, so having a timeseries in WDM can easily bring it into
the model (you're right about the mass versus concentration though).
Using the multiplier in mass-link is an easier way but the numbers are
limited to 10 digits, which may not be enough for some constituents such
as bacteria where the numbers can be really big.  Using E format could
fit the data into the 10 digits but the resolution of the data ended up
suffering.  We have encountered this problem before so we decided to go
with the WDM approach to allow us the flexibility to use whatever
numbers we need to put in. =20

=20

Thanks.

=20

Yu-Chun Su, Ph.D., P.E., CFM, CPESC, CPSWQ

PBS&J

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________________________________

From: Tom Jobes [mailto:tjobes@sjrwmd.com]=20
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 1:18 PM
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=20

Because a point source is input in mass units, this will not work
directly, assuming flow is not constant.  You

could post-process the flow, multiply it out by the desired
concentration to compute mass and store it in

the WDM to be used as a point source load, but this is essentially a
more complicated way to do the same=20

thing as using a multiplier in the MASS-LINK.

=20

Tom Jobes

St Johns River Water Management District

tjobes@sjrwmd.com

W: 386-328-4463

C: 386-937-6341

=20

From: Su, Yu-Chun [mailto:YCSu@pbsj.com]=20
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 9:55 AM
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Subject: RE: [basinsinfo] setting a background concentration of a GQUAL
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=20

One other way might be to set up a timeseries with constant
concentration in a WDM file, and have it enter into the right spot using
Ext Sources.

=20

Yu-Chun Su, Ph.D., P.E., CFM, CPESC, CPSWQ

PBS&J

=20

________________________________

From: Tom Jobes [mailto:tjobes@sjrwmd.com]=20
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 7:18 AM
To: Private list for BASINS users
Subject: RE: [basinsinfo] setting a background concentration of a GQUAL
in HSPF

=20

How exactly do you mean "background concentration"?  You cannot
establish either a constant concentration or

a baseflow concentration within GQUAL, as it must maintain a mass
balance.  You could assign a concentration

to runoff in the MASS-LINK block, and then let GQUAL compute the
resulting advection, transformations, etc

in the water column - is this the kind of thing you mean?

=20

Tom Jobes

St Johns River Water Management District

tjobes@sjrwmd.com

W: 386-328-4463

C: 386-937-6341

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Is there a way to set a background concentration of a GQUAL in HSPF (as
opposed to setting only an initial concentration, DQAL)?
Thanks
Liz

Liz Scheessele
Project Engineer
URS Corporation
277 Bendix Rd. Suite 500
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>For constant load, the timeseries option will work well, =
yes,
but the original poster was looking at constant background =
concentration, not </span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>load.&nbsp; The 10 spaces for the multiplier gives 5-7
significant digits, depending on sign and size of exponent -&nbsp; =
I&#8217;ve
never felt the need for more </span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>than that, given the much greater uncertainty in other =
parts of the
modeling process.</span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>As I discussed offline with the original poster, another =
useful way
to do this is to use PQUAL to generate the loadings, with the baseflow =
</span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>concentration AOQC (constant or monthly) providing the
background.&nbsp; PQUAL will then report the mass balance for you, plus =
give you</span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>options on generating the storm loadings.</span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span></p>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:#244236'>Tom
Jobes</span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:#244236'>St
Johns River Water Management District</span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:#244236'>tjobes@sjrwmd.com</=
span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:#244236'>W:
386-328-4463</span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:#244236'>C:
386-937-6341</span></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span></p>

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0in 0in 0in'>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
Su, Yu-Chun
[mailto:YCSu@pbsj.com] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, February 28, 2008 3:04 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Private list for BASINS users<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [basinsinfo] setting a background concentration of a =
GQUAL
in HSPF</span></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;</p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>Good point.&nbsp; </span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>&nbsp;</span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>It really depends on what &#8220;background =
concentration&#8221;
Liz is trying to handle.&nbsp; I assume it in general is a constant =
loading
from non-runoff related sources, so having a timeseries in WDM can =
easily bring
it into the model (you&#8217;re right about the mass versus =
concentration
though).&nbsp; Using the multiplier in mass-link is an easier way but =
the
numbers are limited to 10 digits, which may not be enough for some =
constituents
such as bacteria where the numbers can be really big.&nbsp; Using E =
format
could fit the data into the 10 digits but the resolution of the data =
ended up
suffering.&nbsp; We have encountered this problem before so we decided =
to go
with the WDM approach to allow us the flexibility to use whatever =
numbers we
need to put in.&nbsp; </span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>&nbsp;</span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>Thanks.</span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>&nbsp;</span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>Yu-Chun Su, Ph.D., P.E., CFM, CPESC, CPSWQ</span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>PBS&amp;J</span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>&nbsp;</span></p>

<div>

<div class=3DMsoNormal align=3Dcenter style=3D'text-align:center'>

<hr size=3D2 align=3Dcenter>

</div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
Tom Jobes
[mailto:tjobes@sjrwmd.com] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, February 28, 2008 1:18 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Private list for BASINS users<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [basinsinfo] setting a background concentration of a =
GQUAL
in HSPF</span></p>

</div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;</p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Because a point source is input in mass units, this will =
not
work directly, assuming flow is not constant.&nbsp; You</span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>could post-process the flow, multiply it out by the =
desired
concentration to compute mass and store it in</span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>the WDM to be used as a point source load, but this is
essentially a more complicated way to do the same </span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>thing as using a multiplier in the MASS-LINK.</span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span></p>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:#244236'>Tom
Jobes</span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:#244236'>St
Johns River Water Management District</span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:#244236'>tjobes@sjrwmd.com</=
span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:#244236'>W:
386-328-4463</span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:#244236'>C:
386-937-6341</span></p>

</div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span></p>

<div>

<div style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt =
0in 0in 0in'>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
Su, Yu-Chun
[mailto:YCSu@pbsj.com] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, February 28, 2008 9:55 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Private list for BASINS users<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [basinsinfo] setting a background concentration of a =
GQUAL
in HSPF</span></p>

</div>

</div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;</p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>One other way might be to set up a timeseries with constant
concentration in a WDM file, and have it enter into the right spot using =
Ext
Sources.</span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>&nbsp;</span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>Yu-Chun Su, Ph.D., P.E., CFM, CPESC, CPSWQ</span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>PBS&amp;J</span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>&nbsp;</span></p>

<div>

<div class=3DMsoNormal align=3Dcenter style=3D'text-align:center'>

<hr size=3D2 align=3Dcenter>

</div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
Tom Jobes
[mailto:tjobes@sjrwmd.com] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, February 28, 2008 7:18 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Private list for BASINS users<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [basinsinfo] setting a background concentration of a =
GQUAL
in HSPF</span></p>

</div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;</p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>How exactly do you mean &#8220;background
concentration&#8221;?&nbsp; You cannot establish either a constant
concentration or</span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>a baseflow concentration within GQUAL, as it must =
maintain a
mass balance.&nbsp; You could assign a concentration</span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>to runoff in the MASS-LINK block, and then let GQUAL =
compute the
resulting advection, transformations, etc</span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>in the water column &#8211; is this the kind of thing you =
mean?</span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span></p>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:#244236'>Tom
Jobes</span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:#244236'>St
Johns River Water Management District</span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:#244236'>tjobes@sjrwmd.com</=
span></p>

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Liz_Scheessele@URSCorp.com [mailto:Liz_Scheessele@URSCorp.com] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, February 27, 2008 7:16 PM<br>
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<p style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>Is =
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setting
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<span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>Thanks</span><br>
<span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>Liz</span><br>
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<span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>Liz Scheessele<br>
Project Engineer<br>
URS Corporation<br>
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757-499-4224 ext. 1266</span></p>

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Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 13:44:32 -0700
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When running PLOAD in the Simple Method mode, I've received the message
"Records found without impervious values" as files were being outputed
to the ploadout folder. I have double-checked my landuse shapefile,
impervious dbf, etc to ensure that all landuse codes match up. The model
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Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 15:21:46 -0800 (PST)
From: Mansoor A Baloch <maahbaloch@yahoo.com>
Subject: Metric Units in BASINS/HSPF

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Hello

I have this question about the units in BASINS and in HSPF. I created a UCI 
file from within BASINS by providing it with a DEM of cell size 100 m. I got my 
UCI file in English units as they usually are by default. I changed the systems 
of units to metric in all the relevant input and output locations in the 
different active blocks of the model. However I was assuming that when I 
changed the units to metric the FTable values should also change into 
equivalent metric values, instead what I found was that changing the unit 
system just changed the labels for different variables from English to 
corresponding metric units like ft to m, acres to Hectares etc. The actual 
values remained the same. I tried it for different numbers of UCI files and it 
remained the same.

I will highly appreciate if somebody can describe the conversion of units 
within BASINS and infact the units in which it estimates different physical 
parameters of the watershed (I assume its English). Furthermore is there a way 
to assign the units with which the project will be working with before starting 
the project itself so that all corresponding parameters are estimated in one 
unit system and the UCI file also initiates with the systems of units assigned 
in the BASINS?

Thanks

Mansoor A Baloch

Visiting Graduate Researcher
Geospatial Software Laboratory
Idaho State University, Idaho Falls.

      
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Hello<br><br>I have this question about the units in BASINS and in HSPF. I 
created a UCI file from within BASINS by providing it with a DEM of cell size 
100 m. I got my UCI file in English units as they usually are by default. I 
changed the systems of units to metric in all the relevant input and output 
locations in the different active blocks of the model. However I was assuming 
that when I changed the units to metric the FTable values should also change 
into equivalent metric values, instead what I found was that changing the unit 
system just changed the labels for different variables from English to 
corresponding metric units like ft to m, acres to Hectares etc. The actual 
values remained the same. I tried it for different numbers of UCI files and it 
remained the same.<br><br>I will highly appreciate if somebody can describe the 
conversion of units within BASINS and infact the units in which it estimates 
different physical parameters of the watershed (I assume its
 English). Furthermore is there a way to assign the units with which the 
project will be working with before starting the project itself so that all 
corresponding parameters are estimated in one unit system and the UCI file also 
initiates with the systems of units assigned in the 
BASINS?<br><br>Thanks<br><br>Mansoor A Baloch<br><br>Visiting Graduate 
Researcher<br>Geospatial Software Laboratory<br>Idaho State University, Idaho 
Falls.<br><BR><BR><div>  <div>  <div>  <div><font face="Arial" 
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Lab<br>Department of Geological Sciences,<br>Idaho State University Idaho 
Falls, 83401 ID USA.</font></div> 
 
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