Host LauraM says:
Hi Cheryl, welcome.

Cheryl says:
Hi

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SharonI says:
Hi, Laura

Sherri says:
hi all

Host LauraM whispers to Cheryl:
Hi. Can you join #staff and take a look at your e-mail.

Host LauraM says:
Sharon and Sherri, do you know each other?

Sherri says:
no

SharonI says:
No, I don't believe so.

Sherri says:
I am a leader who took the LinCon w99

SharonI says:
I'm a librarian in a 8/9 building in Holland, Michigan.  I took the class in the winter of 99.

Sherri says:
I am from Michigan as well!!

Sherri says:
Ann Arbor

Sherri says:
I work in Detroit

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Cheryl says:
Sharonl, I'm a librarian in a high school in Naperville

Host LauraM says:
Sharon was in the Joliet W99 and Sherri was in Fermi's w99.

Sherri says:
langauge arts 3rd -4th

SharonI says:
I've been in the state 7 years (from Kansas) and haven't been over to the east side much.

Sherri says:
teachers don't get too much time off, do we :-)

SharonI says:
That's for sure!

Cheryl says:
Just at times when the world is off

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Sherri says:
right

Eileen says:
Hello everyone

Sherri says:
then what do we do?

SharonI says:
Hello, Eileen

Sherri says:
Enroll in an on-line course!

Eileen says:
hi

Host LauraM says:
Hi Eileen welcome.

Sherri says:
hey Eileen

Eileen says:
eating while we talk!

Sherri says:
just like a teacher!!

SharonI says:
That works.

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Eileen says:
who is anonymous?

Sherri says:
Hi Jill

Sherri says:
Don't know

Eileen says:
hi Jill

SharonI says:
Hi, Jill.  I'm the lone rep from Holland, MI

Jill says:
Hi, everyone. Hi, Sharon.

Sherri says:
anon is from IL

Eileen says:
Hi Sharon

Sherri says:
I just checked ?who is?

SharonI says:
Eileen, where are you from?

Eileen says:
Troy MI

Anonymous's identity:  Anonymous@st-209-175-61-82.pda.k12.il.us

Anonymous says:
Luci is anonymous.  I am trying to change my nickname. Sorry.  Can anyone help me to do that. Hi!

Eileen says:
Hi Luci

Sherri says:
Luci, Mac or Win

Jill says:
Hi Luci

Anonymous says:
Win

Sherri says:
Go under IRC and find change nink name

Sherri says:
nickname

Sherri says:
find it Luci?

Anonymous is now known as Luci.

Cheryl says:
The PC version has the options under view

Eileen says:
ok luci

Sherri says:
got it! good

Sherri says:
I am on a Mac, that I am!

Cheryl says:
OK, now that several people are here, let's get started.  More will join, I'm sure.

Eileen says:
You feeling spunky today? Sherri?

Sherri says:
ok

Sherri says:
yep

Cheryl says:
We would like to talk about staff development that you might have done or planned.

Sherri says:
ok

SharonI says:
ok

Cheryl says:
Some have already tried some staff development.

Sherri says:
yep

Cheryl says:
Would someone like to start with telling one thing they tried that worked.

Sherri says:
we mixed our course offering with partial f2f

Sherri says:
face-to-face

Cheryl says:
Thanks for the clarification

Sherri says:
that really worked well

Eileen whispers to Cheryl:
where are you from I missed it I guess

Cheryl says:
What percentage was what?

Sherri says:
given the wide range of tech skills our learners came in with

Cheryl whispers to Eileen:
I teach at Fermilab and Naperville

Sherri says:
about 25% f2f,

Sherri says:
right Eileen?

Eileen says:
They want more face to face

Cheryl says:
They feel safer that way.

Eileen whispers to Cheryl:
Thanks

Luci says:
Staff development at the PDA/ROE in Illinois has varied. A district requests are assistance and we develop a proposal where we provide shortterm or longterm but  face to face.

Sherri says:
yep

Cheryl says:
Are the people from one building/district?

Sherri says:
in the MI &Tech nope

Sherri says:
we have teams

Eileen says:
from different counties and districts

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Cheryl says:
Are they after school or evenings?

Luci says:
It varies, but usually a district and sometimes a one buidling rural district.  What we have tried to do is provide support online during the week staring with faq

Sherri says:
after school, which run into evening

Eileen says:
after school ftf and 7 to 9 online

Luci says:
Both.

Cheryl says:
Have you had problems with online connections?

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Eileen says:
who are you asing?

Cheryl says:
Anyone in general will do.

Sherri says:
sometimes we have

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Cheryl whispers to Meg:
Hi, Meg

Sherri says:
but mainly user error or dknh

Eileen says:
It was very bad the first chat sessions and is gettting better

Luci says:
Sometimes, depending on what we use.

Sherri says:
dknh = dknowhow

Luci says:
Hi Meg!

Cheryl says:
Have the people gotten discouraged, or do they keep trying?

Sherri says:
most keep trying

Luci says:
They keep trying and it usually gets better.

Eileen says:
They keep coming back for the most part

Cheryl says:
Good for them!

Eileen says:
AOL is the worst

Luci says:
ditto

Sherri says:
agree, Eileen

Cheryl says:
I have noticed AOL to be a problem in the past with many of the courses we have tried.

Cheryl says:
Connections come and go and people don't have the freedom of many ISPs.

Eileen says:
But not for everyone, I wonder if there is a trick?

Sherri says:
AOL has a large number of proprietary components, is my understanding

Sherri says:
non-standard junk in the undercurrent

Sherri says:
or background technology

Sherri says:
plus, they have a BUNCH of chatters

Cheryl says:
What skilss, etc. do you favor to work with in a face to face situation??

Cheryl says:
skills!

Sherri says:
?

Cheryl says:
Do some lessons work better in face to face, and which if they do?

SharonI says:
I'm not sure what you mean, Cheryl.

Sherri says:
Now I got 'cha! (thinking)

Sherri says:
all of the front-end technology stuff was easier

Sherri says:
to get across, i.e., chat, listserv

SharonI says:
At our class after school today we used Proposal Elements: Bridging the Gap.  It stirred a great deal of discussion.

Sherri says:
great

Host LauraM says:
great, that is fairly new.

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Eileen says:
we did that online and I think the low tech ones lost some of the message because they were getting used to two screens etc

Sherri says:
We used it also, and found it useful

Host LauraM says:
Hi Christine, welcome - Each group is sharing a strategy that had really helped in their own staff development

Sherri says:
the content and presentation of the Gap is very well done

Eileen says:
Luci do you work alone?

Luci says:
I team with another consultant here.

Eileen says:
and they use the fermilab content?

Sherri says:
Eileen and I are together

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Cheryl says:
Sharonlv, we are sharing strategies that have worked well.

Host LauraM says:
URL for that page is ...

SharonIv says:
Thanks!

Host LauraM says:
http://www-ed.fnal.gov/lincon/el_prop_elements.shtml

Cheryl says:
How about some more strategies from some of the "lurkers"?

Sherri says:
do we need to go there now?

Cheryl says:
A reference for further use.

Meg says:
Hi Cheryl and group - I'd say that Sherri and Eileen have hit on one of the best strategies out there - teaming!

Sherri says:
ok :-)

Meg says:
When we are teaming, we model what EL is really like in a classroom and

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Meg says:
we have the flexibility to remain focused, but flex to group needs

Cheryl says:
Like the Fermilab team--we each have skills to offer and specialize in.

Meg says:
You're so right Cheryl - just like when we group kids

Jill says:
Sharon, How are things going That approach works well for Pat and I, too.

Sherri says:
agree

Cheryl says:
Meg, how do you model the EL?

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Meg says:
thinking

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Sherri says:
How do we model EL...thinking

Meg says:
I guess I'd have to say that I model it in everything I say and do if I'm doing it right!

Sherri says:
we have for the last two f2f, been very heavy in student-directed activities

Jill says:
Meg, can you describe what it looks like?

Meg says:
I make sure that participants establish the goals, work in teams, do things that are relevant and useful in their daily work - but you guys know all this, right?

SharonIv says:
We are very early into our class but find that as a team of three facilitators we compliment each other well.

Meg says:
It looks like a lot of discussion,and

Meg says:
that is some place that a team is vital for facilitation

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Cheryl says:
Luci, we are sharing strategies that have worked.

Meg says:
Someone has to coach the conversations and someone else needs to keep notes to document where we are going and where we started out at

Luci says:
Thanks!

Cheryl says:
We have used the concept of a person keeping notes for future reference too

Sherri says:
I prefer on-line to f2f

Cheryl says:
Why Sherri?

Meg says:
Sherri - really??

Eileen says:
Our groups seemed to do better once we were into their own projects

Jill says:
That's very interesting. Tell me more, Sherri.

Sherri says:
all can be captured for documentation,

Eileen says:
I prefer ftf and with the same groups as Sherri

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Meg says:
Eileen - I have seen the same thing for most of the groups I work with too.  It makes sense - its real to them then

Anonymous says:
Hi, this is Annette Campbell signing on.

SharonIv says:
Welcome, Annette

Cheryl says:
Hi, Annette. We are sharing strategies that have worked.

Eileen says:
I got really frustrated with the first f2f.  Attendance is better at the f2f

Sherri says:
the learners are challenged to use the technology

Eileen says:
I'm sorry I mean frustrated at first chats

Sherri says:
as a tool of learning, which is key in the EL model

Cheryl says:
Technology that doesn't work is frustrating.

Sherri says:
and BUT

Sherri says:
rather than being the focus

Eileen says:
We had one problem and that is one group in particular has very low skills in tech

Sherri says:
I think teachers need to wean themselves from f2f encounters with learners

Meg says:
I bet we all can relate to Eileen on that one!

Anonymous says:
I am using MSchat. This is my first time so clue me in.

Jill says:
As we experienced, no f2f requires some protocol on the chat channel

Eileen says:
They at first did not follow directions at all and talked through the lesson about reducing the screen

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SharonIv says:
I agree, but for the first time through this class I'm glad to be doing f2f.

Meg says:
I have found though that some of the best teachers who use EL are not always strong on BUT

Sherri says:
agree

Anonymous is now known as Annette.

Meg says:
No - I think that Pat and Jill have been doing things in their district.  I have no clue who Eileen and Sherri are. :)

Meg says:
OOPS - sorry group I was supposed to whisper that to Christine

Annette says:
Thank you Laura.Are we talking about teachers and how they relate to staff development

Sherri says:
Eileen and I are from Mi

Sherri says:
we were in LinCon W99

Meg says:
But, that helps us anyway - what is your background Eileen and Sherri?

Cheryl whispers to Annette:
Yes we are

Meg says:
Thanks - from MI, are you doing a LInC class there?

Sherri says:
we subsequently, wrote a grant to implement our project

Sherri says:
MI & Tech Converged

Annette says:
Should I just jump in?

Eileen says:
Sherri and I have a grant to teach the course for 14 weeks

Meg says:
Excellent!!  Now we know each other! ?)

Sherri says:
teacher

Annette says:
What is the nature of the grant?

Eileen says:
12 participants

Sherri says:
$ to implement the Fermi model, amended

Sherri says:
two leaders

Sherri says:
mentors from Fermi

Eileen says:
they have to develop a proposal that includes Multiple Intelligences, EL and BUT

Cheryl says:
Individual projects or teams?

Sherri says:
including student page, presentation, scenario

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Sherri says:
teams

Sherri says:
our lab for f2f is in another district

Sherri says:
so we are truly sharing resources

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Meg says:
Some of us are re-thinking the use of projects for EL professional development

Meg says:
It seems to get folks thinking that EL is a one time thing

Sherri says:
how so, Meg?

christine says:
BUT--this idea in an EL environment provides the opportunity tell new learning stories with new tools. Many of our teachers have only experienced uses of tech telling old learning stories with a new tool. One of the keys for Staff Dev. is to provide staff

Meg says:
when what we really want is for them to think about EL infusion throughout theircurric.

christine says:
with the opps to "see" the new learning stories.

Luci says:
Meg, I think that many want a quick fix.

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christine says:
It is hard to plan for something you cannot "see".

Cheryl says:
There's no comfort level in something too new.

Jill says:
I can agree with that, Cheryl:-)

Eileen says:
our presentation is  on http://www-ed.fnal.gov/lincon/w99/projects/multiple/present.html

Sherri says:
I think the comfort level grows as the learners become more proficient

Luci says:
By a quick fix, they want to be given a lesson that they can use rather than understand and decide on their own outcomes.

Cheryl says:
Thanks, Eileen, we'll check it out.

SharonI says:
What's neat about the timing of our class which is taking place in  Feb. and March is that one of us, Chad Miller is now teaching the project with his classes and is sharing his first time EL experiences in the classroom.

Sherri says:
We are also using www.blackbaord.com

Sherri says:
board.com

Cheryl says:
Good experience to share right at the moment.

Luci says:
Many times in the trainings and courses we do, they have not been informed why they are there.  We now try to find out the names of the particiapants and send them a letter or an email to better prepare them.

Sherri says:
it is a free web-based learning environment

Sherri says:
it serves as a hub

Meg whispers to Cheryl:
what is a good experience?? You lost me there

Sherri says:
we have links to pages

Sherri says:
student and instructor profiles...

Sherri says:
assignments

Sherri says:
and evaluations

Cheryl whispers to Meg:
Teaching right then so he can share good and bad experiences

Host LauraM says:
That is a really good point Luci

Meg says:
Luci - that is one of the best things to do for EL prof. dev.  I'm glad you mentioned it.

Sherri says:
we also can send e-mail, selectively

Eileen says:
I like the letter ahead idea Luci

Annette says:
At Chicago Public Schools in the Learning Technologies we offer to our teachers classes on infusing technology into the curriculum

Host LauraM says:
setting the expectations and getting them psyched ahead is really important.

christine says:
Annette-what does infusing look like?

Luci says:
This pre prep is just as important face to face as on online. But sometimes our numbers are too large to obtain this pre-communication.

Meg says:
With some groups, we have asked them to email responses to "getting to know you" questions...

Cheryl says:
Annette, are they required, paid??

SharonI says:
I agree.  We began with 12 participants.  We've ended up with a solid class of 5.

Meg says:
this helps check out their tech. level as well as

Sherri says:
Laura and Fermi have letters for us to amend

Sherri says:
they are great

Meg says:
putting together a good Ice Breaker activity when they arrive

Annette says:
Infusing is the integration of technology using the engaged learner/Statestandards model

Annette says:
Teachers were selected  from various schools in the region to pilot the program.

Meg's identity:  bingmeg@beefalo2-102.mvn.interaccess.com

Meg's identity:  bingmeg@beefalo2-102.mvn.interaccess.com

Jill says:
Annette, are they paid to take the class?

Annette says:
the purpose is to get all CPS schools using technology in the curriculu,

Sherri says:
I think college credit is a strong incentive for course completion

christine says:
Meg--mentioned something earlier that I would like to go back to....are educators thinking that EL is a project or an activity? What are your  thoughtsto this critical issue?

Annette says:
The pilot teachers for the program were paid $20 during the summer months.

Luci says:
I like the term infusing.

Annette says:
The teachers that are taking the  courses now can receive lane placement withich

Annette says:
means they can get more money in their paycheck

Sherri says:
??

Sherri says:
thanks

Luci says:
What are the pilot teachers responsibilties to their staff/school?

Eileen says:
Our teachers get $100. to use on technology and a sub paid for a day  to visit classrooms

Annette says:
The department has put out brochures advertising the courses andthe teachers  select the course they want to take.

Cheryl says:
That's incentive to many

Eileen says:
We started with 12 and now havw 11.5  (one is helping but from the outside

Eileen says:
So it is state supported?

Meg says:
Annette, do you work with Helen Hoffenberg?

Sherri says:
100.00 over 14 weeks

christine says:
So..is this optional staff development?

Sherri says:
yes, in our case

Luci says:
Cadre (pilot teachers?)groups are to supportive and support a continuation of the process

Annette says:
We both work for the same department.

Meg says:
I met her this summer to discuss some work with a group of pilot schools

Eileen says:
For Sherri and I the grop is optional

Cheryl says:
Let's change gears here for awhile.

Sherri says:
ok

Eileen says:
This couses the attendance to be poor I think

Cheryl says:
Let's try to identify some obstacles you have encountered

Annette says:
Yes, Meg, Helen works with a team to develop staff development on infusion

christine says:
In these staff dev. models, pilot or not--how are you measuring results?

Cheryl says:
and some solutions you might have thought of

Meg says:
I was really impressed with what CPS was doing with database - Infusion Exchange? I think

Meg says:
Can we see any of that?

Meg says:
Maybe post the URL here?

Cheryl says:
Eileen, you mentioned poor attendance.

Eileen says:
We had poor homework turn in and poor attendance

Cheryl says:
What incentives might be offerred to help that??

Sherri says:
Our learners don't arrive at chat on time

Eileen says:
We started graphing and posting the data in email and that helped

Cheryl says:
Like the assignment done sheet.

Meg whispers to Cheryl:
oops - sorry Cheryl - I was watching my fingers and not the screen - didn't see the change in topics

Sherri says:
right

Cheryl whispers to Meg:
No problem

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Eileen says:
I gave prizes for thos in place at the beginning of the f2f and that helped a few

Sherri says:
teachers are wosre than the students they complain about, when

Cheryl says:
We had candy to kids so the idea can be transferred--reward them some how.

Eileen says:
My connection was bad tonight too.I'm on my back up provider

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Sherri says:
it comes to homework

Cheryl says:
Suggestions on how to get better homework results?

Sherri says:
EL demands a certain level of internal motivation

Cheryl says:
Everyone is busy...

Annette says:
Laura, if you are still there, I will have to sign off. I have homework to correct  via email for my class tomorrow.

Meg says:
I think a key is getting to the useable stuff as soon as you can - teachers like to see things they can use the very next day - keep it relevant

Sherri says:
and take charge-ness

Eileen says:
ask them to share it during chat helped

Cheryl says:
Make them accountable?

Sherri says:
many teachers in our group seem short on those

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Sherri says:
I think for optional courses

Sherri says:
the incentives get to be risky

Host LauraM says:
that's a good point Meg.

Cheryl says:
Make it as relevant as you can as fast as you can.

Sherri says:
almost like pulling teeth

Host LauraM says:
SharonI - what are you finding that is helping you?

Eileen says:
We had one of our principals mention in staff how the school received recognition because of their participation

Meg says:
Oh- now there's another great one!

Sherri says:
staff meeting

Jill says:
That would be a plus

Cheryl says:
A pat on the back does help some times.

Meg says:
External recognition is almost better than a stipend sometimes

Sherri says:
I agree

Jill says:
Me, too

Eileen says:
We are going to show the results at MACUL during the student day.  The kids come and show

Eileen says:
next year though for MACUL

SharonIv says:
Though we are meeting f2f we are asking our participants to send their assignments to us by e-mail.  We have made available our school and home e-mail addresses as well as our phone numbers.

Sherri says:
right, so have we

Host LauraM says:
that makes you very approachable

Cheryl says:
easy to approach for problems and questions

Sherri says:
until recently, we included two Office Hours times

SharonIv says:
The two teachers I am mainly responsible for have called me at home as well as at school with questions.  I've tried to make sure to help them right away.

Eileen says:
Our group seems to be resisting blackboard

Cheryl says:
Sherri, you stopped office hours??

Sherri says:
Yep, the instant feedback is really good

Sherri says:
only one day

Meg says:
approachable is good, but sometimes cognitive dissonance really helps folks through the change process.  You don't want to provide too much help too quickly...

Eileen says:
We only do one nite now

Sherri says:
the other is by appointment

Cheryl says:
That makes sense.

Sherri says:
lack of use is the reason

Jill says:
Do you have chat capabilities from your school?

SharonIv says:
That's something to remember, Meg.

Cheryl says:
I had an office hour one night and no one came but me.

Sherri says:
no

Eileen says:
What is discouraging is when they seem to need help but do not ask

Sherri says:
that is common

Meg whispers to Cheryl:
sorry - I have to run.  crying baby and frustrated Daddy.  yikes!

Sherri says:
I'm told by my mentors

Cheryl whispers to Meg:
Thanks for your input

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Sherri says:
wait until they start working on their projects

Meg whispers to Cheryl:
are you archiving this anywhere

Sherri says:
that's when it picks up

Meg whispers to Cheryl:
I'd love to read more later

Cheryl whispers to Meg:
I'm making a log and sending it to Laura.

Jill says:
The change process is an intersting evolution.

Meg whispers to Cheryl:
thanks!!

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Sherri says:
I was like that in LinCon

Sherri says:
agree Jill

Sherri says:
in a while, with standards-based everything

SharonIv says:
I think our teachers are their philosophically but now they are going to need to execute.

Sherri says:
resistance will be futile :-)

Sherri says:
even my mother has been working on a home computer for four years now

Sherri says:
she has bought three systems in her life time

Host LauraM says:
Hi Janet has joined us from Colorado.

Sherri says:
started off with an appleIIe

Sherri says:
Hi janet

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Host LauraM says:
Janet, can you tell us about your staff development session and what you felt worked for your group??

stellema says:
hello

SharonIv says:
Greetings

Eileen says:
hi

Sherri says:
the society trends will demand more of technology savvy by teachers

Cheryl says:
Do you see some people's aging machines as an obstacle?

Sherri says:
yes

stellema says:
well...first of all my group was a group of one!

Sherri says:
wohoa!

Host LauraM says:
ok - what did you do one on one?

Sherri says:
how did it go?

stellema says:
I promised Fermi i would do an inservice

stellema says:
but because it was just me I ended up doing a one afternoon session to teachers in my building

stellema says:
we looked at engaged learning

Eileen says:
how did it go?

Sherri says:
what happened?

stellema says:
we talked about what engaged learning looks like and then they did an exercise where they took a project and switched it

Sherri says:
how was it received?

stellema says:
they did great on that-but I work in an awesome building

Sherri says:
great

Host LauraM says:
That's a neat idea for a 1 session inservice.

Sherri says:
I agree

stellema says:
then we thought about projects they were doing in classes and wrote hooks for those and ...

stellema says:
ended up looking through the projects that fermi has online

Sherri says:
how many hours devoted to the single session?

stellema says:
2 hours and it wasn't enough-it went way tooo fast!

Host LauraM says:
that's also a really good idea - to pick one of the elements and focus on it.

Sherri says:
I bet

SharonIv says:
And, hooks are so important.

Sherri says:
and most difficult to get across

Sherri says:
, in our case at least

Eileen says:
I see some progress in the groups we teach mow that they are experiencing EL

stellema says:
there was really no way for me to do long term stuff so i thought those were good things to do

Sherri says:
Did anyone else have trouble with hooks?

Cheryl says:
Sounds like a good start, Stellema

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stellema says:
i wanted to do another one on pagemill...but it seems the district wants to use the free software that's out there...something you guys might want to think about

SharonIv says:
We just discussed hooks at class today.  Some folks wanted to say that technology or even the end product can be a hook.  We said in a sense that is correct if students have never done web pages, but in the long run the hook must be imbedded within the content.

Cheryl says:
I've had trouble with that in my district.

Host LauraM says:
We usually try to connect the hook to an authentic need for the project.

Sherri says:
our groups were somehow focused on Curriculum Guildelines as being hooks, enough

Eileen says:
We found that our most experienced group gave us the most trouble

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Cheryl says:
How so, Eileen?

SharonI says:
I'm back.  Blame provider!

stellema says:
experienced how?

Sherri says:
Ph.D. was trying to run her group

Sherri says:
overbearing

Cheryl whispers to SharonI:
I can see that you've been going in and out. How frustrating!

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Eileen says:
Our experienced group seemed to know it all

SharonI whispers to Cheryl:
Sorry, I always get cut off at an interesting part!

Cheryl says:
What did you try to bring them around?

Sherri says:
but they really didn't

Eileen says:
We met the team in chat alone with just them

Sherri says:
I pointed some to the Fermi site for clariffication

Sherri says:
-f

Sherri says:
specific topics were

Sherri says:
distinguishing between authentic learning and hooks

Eileen says:
They seem to be in the class to learn how to teach online so do not seem to think the EL is important

Eileen says:
They were somewhat embarrassed as others got approved byut now them

Sherri says:
but not them

Host LauraM says:
so getting expectation across at the beginning is a need

Sherri says:
became defensive

Eileen says:
They still are not quite on track

Host LauraM says:
SharonI ran into this too.

Sherri says:
I was so glad that Fermi ws there to add to our expertise

Sherri says:
and outside source

Eileen says:
agree. Yea Fermilab

Sherri says:
really helped 

SharonI says:
Yes, we have concluded we need to be up front with expectations next time around.

Eileen says:
and thanks again

SharonI says:
Here, Here!

Eileen says:
how so

Eileen says:
We would not have guessed this

Eileen says:
Maybe we need a minimum attandance and time to get into chat

Sherri says:
guessed what?

stellema says:
so how will you be "up front"...what will you do differently?

Eileen says:
guessed that a team would not think EL was important and that they already knew it all

Sherri says:
oooh...duh! :-)

Sherri says:
tell Stellama, please

Cheryl says:
They just came for the tech, of course!

Host LauraM says:
people have different perceptions of what EL is, so this is something we see typically - it is not unusual to you.

Sherri says:
right

Eileen says:
I would state an agreement that I would be in chat within a certain time (some are an hour late)

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SharonI says:
We will either meet face to face with prospective class members as well as refer them to our web page with assignments (when we get that completed) so they will be better informed.

Sherri says:
up-front?

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Host LauraM says:
That is a good idea SharonI - a multiple learning style approach!

Host LauraM says:
f2f plus clear descriptions on web pages

Eileen says:
We had problems finding all 12.  that was a problem and part of the grant

Sherri says:
We even let them see some completed projects early on

Cheryl says:
Keep pointing them at the pages--some seem to miss and/or skip some important details

Sherri says:
yes they do and have

Host LauraM says:
we usually try to cover several of these (f2f orientation if possible, info on web pages, info in hard copy, info in e-mail)

SharonI says:
We figured having the assignment page and time to explore the site helped us when we took the class so why not do the same for our participants.

Eileen says:
also the school with the grant did not have high tech skills but they are necessary for the grant

Sherri says:
right

Eileen says:
Do yu have poor attendance?

Sherri says:
did you screen potential participants based on tech skills?

Eileen says:
Sharonl?

SharonI says:
Eileen, sorry I didn't know you were asking.  At this time we have good attendance in our class.

Eileen says:
tied to some incentive?

Eileen says:
Our ftf is best attendance

SharonI says:
Remember we are only working with five teachers.  Three are coming on their own time, two are taking it for one hour grad credit.

Sherri says:
I see

Eileen says:
oh

Sherri says:
When I run this again, I will really try for a Univ sponsorship

Sherri says:
the grad credits a the best incentive I know

SharonI says:
Our district has an arrangement with a local university to offer classes internally for credit.

Sherri says:
We have something similar

Eileen says:
We have run into problems because we cross districts.  No one ones us

Sherri says:
I will look into that. Didn't think about it

Sherri says:
thanks

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Eileen says:
owns us

Sherri says:
right

Sherri says:
the political conflicts with the need

Cate says:
Hi! I finally woke up from my nap

Cheryl says:
We offer money or indistrict credit for lane movement

Sherri says:
hi

SharonI says:
We are starting small, within our own staff and hope to branch out further to other schools.

Eileen says:
We thought about 15!!  Laura knew better!

Sherri says:
good strategies it sounds like

Cate says:
I appologize to any and all for my rudeness. The soap opera continues, or I wouldn't have needed the nap.

Sherri says:
ok

Eileen says:
hi

SharonI says:
greetings

Host LauraM says:
Janet, Cate is about to do a 1 or 2 session staff dev.

Sherri says:
again Fermi saved us

Cate says:
Yes, funny they changed the itinerary.

Host LauraM says:
Janet, can you quickly describe to her what you did?

stellema says:
sure

stellema says:
I did the inservice as a one man show and i only had one session...

Cate says:
Sounds like what will happen to me. How did it go?

stellema says:
so i did engaged learning and what that looks like, had them do an acitivity where they changed an existing project to make it more engaged learning...

Cate says:
That's what I thought.

stellema says:
then talked about hooks and had them do soem of their own hooks for upcoming activities in their classes

stellema says:
feel free to check out, copy whatever..

Cate says:
How was it recieved?

stellema says:
http://www-ed.fnal.gov/ntep/f98/projects/monarch/engagedlearning.html

Sherri says:
Laura, bye. Thanks for having me here tonight

Cate says:
THanks! I have an idea what I want to do.  It will gel when I'm closer.

Cheryl says:
Sherri, thanks for contributing.

stellema says:
good-it was about 15 teachers from my own school-so low level pressure

Sherri says:
Sorry, I meant that for LM only. Thanks everyone

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Host LauraM says:
Thanks Janet - Cate -hopefully this will help you with yours!

Cate says:
I appreciate the help.

Cheryl says:
Thanks to all who listened and contributed. Good ideas will help others.

Eileen says:
Chris did a new page that really helped us on bridging the gap.  Not usure of the URL maybe Laura can point to it

Host LauraM says:
http://www-ed.fnal.gov/lincon/el_prop_elements.shtml

SharonI says:
Yes, we used it at our class today.  It worked very well.

Cate says:
Tell me how to get to the lincon page again for projects. I just switched over a great deal of computer info and lost some.

Eileen says:
One comment we had it that

Host LauraM says:
http://www-ed.fnal.gov/lincon/

Eileen says:
it needs to not look like there is one answer

Host LauraM says:
8 projects are listed on that page

Cate says:
THanks

Host LauraM says:
you can also use the PROJECTS link in the navigation bar

Cate says:
Ok

Host LauraM says:
eileen , you were saying ...

Eileen says:
bye for now.  It was interesting

Eileen says:
well

Eileen says:
When we taught the bridging the gap

Eileen says:
It was new to us

Eileen says:
the teqcher edition has right and wrong answers

Eileen says:
the participants felt that discussion was not open ended

Host LauraM says:
well it has some points - these are not the only points that you can come to and their are many different ways to expand some of the ideas which gives some room for discussion

Eileen says:
yes

Host LauraM says:
that's a good point that in that discussion, you need to focus on different reasons rather than just yes no.

Eileen says:
The page is well written

Host LauraM says:
We should add that to the notes. Thanks Eileen.

Eileen says:
I think there is too much also.  Enough for more than one chat

Eileen says:
The better part for chat was the section where they did not know thumbs up or down

Host LauraM says:
Yes -it can be used for more than one chat, so picking a subset was a good idea.

Host LauraM says:
We should add that to the notes too.

Eileen says:
Got to go now.

Host LauraM says:
Ok - thanks everyone for coming and for all your work out in the field.

Eileen says:
bye

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Cheryl says:
Thanks again to all.

Cate says:
Sorry again for being late.

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Cate says:
I'll keep you informed as best I can.

Host LauraM says:
ok - are you planning ...

Host LauraM says:
for end of Feb?

SharonIv says:
Sorry, I was kicked out one last time.  Didn't want to leave without saying thanks.  This was very helpful.

Cate says:
In my head. I plan.

Host LauraM says:
glad it was helpful, have a good night

Host LauraM says:
cate - do you have a scheduled session?

Cate says:
Yes. Feb 29th

Host LauraM says:
and then the second one in March?

Cate says:
Right, but now they (powers that be) want me to teach power point at that session.

Cate says:
Somehow, I find a way to scurve the two together.

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Host LauraM says:
ok - can you teach it in the context of engaged learning or tech integration. Like having them create ...