Here are the messages between 20080601 and 20080630.

1. Input questions
2. about the sensitive parameters
3. Incorporating Upstream water temp (TW in F) and Error ID 215 118
4. A how to question
5. Re: Landuse Tool
6. Re: A how to question
7. Legend question
8. RE: Legend question
9. Estimating DETS
10. Re: Estimating DETS
11. About INFILT or UZSN in HSPF
12. RE: About INFILT or UZSN in HSPF
13. RE: About INFILT or UZSN in HSPF
14. RE: About INFILT or UZSN in HSPF
15. Re: About INFILT or UZSN in HSPF
16. Non-Point Source Pollutants
17. Re: About INFILT or UZSN in HSPF
18. RE: About INFILT or UZSN in HSPF
19. RE: About INFILT or UZSN in HSPF
20. RE: About INFILT or UZSN in HSPF
21. PLOAD export coefficients
22. Re: PLOAD export coefficients
23. Re: PLOAD export coefficients
24. Re: PLOAD export coefficients
25. A question about soil
26. RE: PLOAD export coefficients
27. Re: PLOAD export coefficients
28. BASINS users in Spain?
29. Re: A question about soil
30. Re: A question about soil
31. Re: A question about soil
32. Monthly Nutrient Loading
33. GenScn output problem
34. Re: GenScn output problem
35. RE: GenScn output problem
36. Basins / WinHSPF in the UK
37. RE: Basins / WinHSPF in the UK
38. Re: Basins / WinHSPF in the UK
39. error message in WinHSPF
40. Re: error message in WinHSPF
41. freezing problems during automatic delineation
42. discrepancy between BASINS and WinHSPF
43. Basins Default / Working Directory
44. Re: Basins Default / Working Directory
45. RE: Point Source File
46. Re: Basins Default / Working Directory
47. Basins4 Custom Stream Network
48. PEST
49. RE: PEST
50. Re: PEST
51. RE: Point Source File
52. flow response and climate variables
53. RE: PEST
54. WASP Workshop, August 25-29, 2008, Atlanta, GA
55. RE: WASP Workshop, August 25-29, 2008, Atlanta, GA

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X-lyris-Id: 170368
Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2008 16:52:34 -0400
From: "gouljj10" <gouljj10@mail.buffalostate.edu>
Subject: Input questions

If anyone could help me out with these couple of questions I
would appreciate it
 
1.The weather stations input option worked fine when I just
loaded the weather station data. But then I tried to add a
precipitation reference table and a temperature reference
table I got an error message: have to  define data
projection. What I don't understand is that when reading the
directions I thought that it was just looking for a
reference table for the data table with a lat. long.
coordinate.
 
2. I am receiving an error message when writing the
management data. The error message reads: Missing "Cn2" for
hydro. group "". This is occurring at 88% when writing Mgt
or at sub basin # 31... If anyone could shed some light on
why I am having trouble calculating the management data for
this sub basin I would appreciate it.
 
Thanks Joseph

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X-lyris-Id: 170403
Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2008 10:52:53 +0800
From: "=?gb2312?B?y+/X2sHB?=" <szl@mail.bnu.edu.cn>
Subject: about the sensitive parameters

   I have a question about the sensitive parameters. During my calibration of
HSPF, the most sensitive parameters are LZSN, INFILT, UZSN, INFILT etc.So I want
to do some field experiments to measure the key parameters. However, I found 
there
had no exactly the right way to measure them.
   Maybe I haven't understood  what the parameters exactly means, however, I
really wanna konw how to measure it in field, for eaample,UZSN, INFILT or 
someone
easy to measure.

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Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 14:39:41 -0500
From: "Rahim, Mustafa" <rahim@uiuc.edu>
Subject: Incorporating Upstream water temp (TW in F) and Error ID 215 118

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Incorporating Upstream water temp (TW in F)=20

=20

I have several tributary watersheds ran separately, I need to add TW
from those watersheds in to mainstem watershed model from the WDM. In
UCI added them as following as mentioned Technical Note 4=20

WDM3   103 TW       ENGL  DIV  RCHRES  18     INFLOW IHEAT  =20

=20

Then I got the following error message=20

************************************************************************
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*

 *  ERROR/WARNING ID:   215 118
*

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following           *

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 *    DIV          2      1  |  Target: RCHRES,   18   INFLOW  IHEAT
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*

=20
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Souldn't I use SAME instead DIV? Thanks

=20
Mustafa Rahim
=20
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Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 10:53:30 -0500
From: "Jay D. Davis" <jdd@uiuc.edu>
Subject: A how to question

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First off, I sent this to Dan Ames at his email, so please forgive me Dan,
but I thought you might be on a 9-month appointment and off to Siberia on a
Polar Bear expedition of something, so I figured I could toss it out to the
masses here.

 

The question is:     How do I import an ArcGis project into
BASINS/MapWindowGis?

 

Thanks folks

Carpe Diem

 

jd

 

Jay D. Davis, BS,MA

Research Specialist in Agriculture

Department of Agricultural and Biological Engineering

University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign

232A Agricultural Engineering Sciences Building, MC644

1304 West Pennsylvania Avenue

Urbana, Illinois 61801

E:  jdd@illinois.edu

(217) 333-7956 (voice mail)

(217) 244-0323 (fax)

 

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>The question is:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; How do I =
import an ArcGis project into
BASINS/MapWindowGis?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Carpe Diem<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
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font-family:Arial'>Jay D. Davis, BS,MA</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Research Specialist in =
Agriculture</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Department of Agricultural and Biological =
Engineering</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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w:st=3D"on"><font size=3D2
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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>University</span></font></st=
1:PlaceType><font
 size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> of <st1:PlaceName
 w:st=3D"on">Illinois</st1:PlaceName></span></font></st1:place><font =
size=3D2
face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> =
Urbana-Champaign</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>232A Agricultural <st1:place =
w:st=3D"on"><st1:PlaceName w:st=3D"on">Engineering</st1:PlaceName>
 <st1:PlaceName w:st=3D"on">Sciences</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceType =
w:st=3D"on">Building</st1:PlaceType></st1:place>,
MC644</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>, <st1:State
 w:st=3D"on">Illinois</st1:State> <st1:PostalCode =
w:st=3D"on">61801</st1:PostalCode></span></font></st1:place><o:p></o:p></=
p>

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href=3D"mailto:jdd@illinois.edu">jdd@illinois.edu</a></span></font><o:p><=
/o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
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Since many of you monitor and model this information, I would love to 
hear from you if you do...

I am looking for data regarding coliform bacteria in waterways.  Is 
anyone looking at the significant sources of coliform bacteria and what 
other events/nutrients ( temperature, phosphorus, etc.) might better 
predict continued support for higher and/or lower levels of coliform 
bacteria in waters?

Impervious surface is matched with coliform levels in many studies, but 
some studies look at nutrients (phosphorus,etc.)  or temperature as a 
required component.  Anyone have any data they are modeling in BASINS 
regarding total coliform, its source, and other data?

Thanks,

James

Emma Radahl wrote:
> When trying to use a landuse layer other than the downloadable GIRAS 
> layer, how does one really change the categories for the land use 
> (group several landuse types together for example) when using the 
> landuse layer to start up HSPF from BASINS?
> It is written that the user can define the categories, but I have been 
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Since many of you monitor and model this information, I would love to
hear from you if you do...<br>
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I am looking for data regarding coliform bacteria in waterways.&nbsp; Is
anyone looking at the significant sources of coliform bacteria and what
other events/nutrients ( temperature, phosphorus, etc.) might better
predict continued support for higher and/or lower levels of coliform
bacteria in waters?<br>
<br>
Impervious surface is matched with coliform levels in many studies, but
some studies look at nutrients (phosphorus,etc.)&nbsp; or temperature as a
required component.&nbsp; Anyone have any data they are modeling in BASINS
regarding total coliform, its source, and other data?<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
<br>
James<br>
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the land use (group several landuse types together for example) when
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It is written that the user can define the categories, but I have been
unable to do so. It always seems to want to use the GIRAS classes. What
do I need in order to be able to divide the land use categories the way
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Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2008 13:01:24 -0600
From: "Daniel Ames" <amesdani@isu.edu>
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Hi all. Unfortunately there is not a direct way to open an ArcGIS project in
BASINS. However, that would be a great plug-in someone could write.  Until
such time, the approach is to simply add your layers to BASINS directly and
to set up the symbology and save the project within BASINS. Hope this
helps.  - Dan

On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 9:53 AM, Jay D. Davis <jdd@uiuc.edu> wrote:

>  First off, I sent this to Dan Ames at his email, so please forgive me
> Dan, but I thought you might be on a 9-month appointment and off to Siberia
> on a Polar Bear expedition of something, so I figured I could toss it out to
> the masses here.
>
>
>
> The question is:     How do I import an ArcGis project into
> BASINS/MapWindowGis?
>
>
>
> Thanks folks
>
> Carpe Diem
>
>
>
> jd
>
>
>
> Jay D. Davis, BS,MA
>
> Research Specialist in Agriculture
>
> Department of Agricultural and Biological Engineering
>
> University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign
>
> 232A Agricultural Engineering Sciences Building, MC644
>
> 1304 West Pennsylvania Avenue
>
> Urbana, Illinois 61801
>
> E:  jdd@illinois.edu
>
> (217) 333-7956 (voice mail)
>
> (217) 244-0323 (fax)
>
>
>
> SOIL....a clean four-letter word
>
>
>
>          |>
>
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>
>          |
>
> __________ GOLF....a second one
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Idaho State University - Idaho Falls
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Hi all. Unfortunately there is not a direct way to open an ArcGIS project in 
BASINS. However, that would be a great plug-in someone could write.&nbsp; Until 
such time, the approach is to simply add your layers to BASINS directly and to 
set up the symbology and save the project within BASINS. Hope this helps.&nbsp; 
- Dan <br>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 9:53 AM, Jay D. Davis &lt;<a 
href="mailto:jdd@uiuc.edu">jdd@uiuc.edu</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 
0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">
<div lang="EN-US" vlink="purple" link="blue">
<div>
<p><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 
Arial">First off, I sent this to Dan Ames at his email, so please forgive me 
Dan, but I thought you might be on a 9-month appointment and off to Siberia on 
a Polar Bear expedition of something, so I figured I could toss it out to the 
masses here.</span></font></p>

<p><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 
Arial">&nbsp;</span></font></p>
<p><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 
Arial">The question is:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; How do I import an ArcGis 
project into BASINS/MapWindowGis?</span></font></p>
<p><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 
Arial">&nbsp;</span></font></p>
<p><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 
Arial">Thanks folks</span></font></p>
<p><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 
Arial">Carpe Diem</span></font></p>
<p><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 
Arial">&nbsp;</span></font></p>
<p><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 
Arial">jd</span></font></p>
<p><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 
Arial">&nbsp;</span></font></p>
<p><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 
Arial">Jay D. Davis, BS,MA</span></font></p>
<p><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 
Arial">Research Specialist in Agriculture</span></font></p>
<p><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 
Arial">Department of Agricultural and Biological Engineering</span></font></p>
<p><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 
Arial">University</span></font><font face="Arial" size="2"><span 
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> of Illinois</span></font><font 
face="Arial" size="2"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> 
Urbana-Champaign</span></font></p>

<p><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 
Arial">232A Agricultural Engineering Sciences Building, MC644</span></font></p>
<p><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 
Arial">1304 West Pennsylvania Avenue</span></font></p>
<p><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 
Arial">Urbana</span></font><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 
10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">, Illinois 61801</span></font></p>
<p><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 
Arial">E:&nbsp; <a href="mailto:jdd@illinois.edu" 
target="_blank">jdd@illinois.edu</a></span></font></p>
<p><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 
Arial">(217) 333-7956 (voice mail)</span></font></p>
<p><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 
Arial">(217) 244-0323 (fax)</span></font></p>
<p><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 
12pt">&nbsp;</span></font></p>
<p><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 
Arial">SOIL....a clean four-letter word</span></font></p>
<p><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 
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<p><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 
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<p><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 
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<p><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 
Arial">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |</span></font></p>
<p><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 
Arial">__________ GOLF....a second one&nbsp;</span></font></p>
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Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 15:05:40 -0500
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Subject: Legend question

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Happy Monday BASINners

 

I have some images that I want to load into my project.  I have downloaded a
watershed and the legend seems to sort and associate data layers into
somewhat functional groups.  I have "hydrology", "observed data stations",
"point sources & withdrawls", "political", "transportation", and "soil land
use/cover".  Now, I guess I have more than a single question;

 

1.   There seems to be some thematic connections, i.e. I can either
toggle the entire group or individual layers within the group.  Correct?
2.   If I add a shape file, it seems to need a "sponsoring" theme
grouping.  If I have, say "political" highlighted and add doqs, they appear
under "political".
3.   I think I want to add a theme grouping "images" to the legend for my
images.  Is that doable?  If so, what tool does that?

 

This is an interesting bull to ride.

You guys have done great work.

 

jd  

 

Jay D. Davis, BS,MA

Research Specialist in Agriculture

Department of Agricultural and Biological Engineering

University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign

232A Agricultural Engineering Sciences Building, MC644

1304 West Pennsylvania Avenue

Urbana, Illinois 61801

E:  jdd@illinois.edu

(217) 333-7956 (voice mail)

(217) 244-0323 (fax)

 

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&#8220;hydrology&#8221;,
&#8220;observed data stations&#8221;, &#8220;point sources &amp; =
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individual
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
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Agriculture</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
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Engineering</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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/o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
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Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 15:14:48 -0500
From: "Jay D. Davis" <jdd@uiuc.edu>
Subject: RE: Legend question

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I found it..the "add group" button.   Hey guys the best place to hide
something from me is directly in front of my face.  This is a
forehead-slapper.

 

jd

 

  _____  

From: Jay D. Davis [mailto:jdd@uiuc.edu] 
Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 3:06 PM
To: Private list for BASINS users
Subject: [basinsinfo] Legend question

 

Happy Monday BASINners

 

I have some images that I want to load into my project.  I have downloaded a
watershed and the legend seems to sort and associate data layers into
somewhat functional groups.  I have "hydrology", "observed data stations",
"point sources & withdrawls", "political", "transportation", and "soil land
use/cover".  Now, I guess I have more than a single question;

 

1.   There seems to be some thematic connections, i.e. I can either
toggle the entire group or individual layers within the group.  Correct?
2.   If I add a shape file, it seems to need a "sponsoring" theme
grouping.  If I have, say "political" highlighted and add doqs, they appear
under "political".
3.   I think I want to add a theme grouping "images" to the legend for my
images.  Is that doable?  If so, what tool does that?

 

This is an interesting bull to ride.

You guys have done great work.

 

jd  

 

Jay D. Davis, BS,MA

Research Specialist in Agriculture

Department of Agricultural and Biological Engineering

University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign

232A Agricultural Engineering Sciences Building, MC644

1304 West Pennsylvania Avenue

Urbana, Illinois 61801

E:  jdd@illinois.edu

(217) 333-7956 (voice mail)

(217) 244-0323 (fax)

 

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button.&nbsp;&nbsp; Hey guys the best place to hide something from me is
directly in front of my face.&nbsp; This is a =
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
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D. Davis
[mailto:jdd@uiuc.edu] <br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, June 09, =
2008 3:06
PM<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName =
w:st=3D"on">Private
 list for BASINS users</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [basinsinfo] =
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>I have some images that I want to load into my
project.&nbsp; I have downloaded a watershed and the legend seems to =
sort and
associate data layers into somewhat functional groups.&nbsp; I have
&#8220;hydrology&#8221;, &#8220;observed data stations&#8221;, =
&#8220;point
sources &amp; withdrawls&#8221;, &#8220;political&#8221;,
&#8220;transportation&#8221;, and &#8220;soil land =
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I guess I have more than a single question;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
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individual
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that
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that?<o:p></o:p></span></font></li>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>This is an interesting bull to =
ride.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>You guys have done great =
work.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 10:15:38 -0400
From: "Brannan, Kevin" <kbrannan@vt.edu>
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Is there a methodology to estimate DETS? I plan to modify the value of
DETS in Special Actions to represent tillage operations.

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Thanks,

Kevin Brannan

Biological Systems Engineering

Virginia Tech

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<p class=3DMsoNormal>Biological Systems Engineering<o:p></o:p></p>

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Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 11:01:02 +0800
From: "=?gb2312?B?y+/X2sHB?=" <szl@mail.bnu.edu.cn>
Subject: About INFILT or UZSN in HSPF

Hello All, 
  I want to know whether there is a methodology to measure INFILT or UZSN of 
HSPF
in field? I plan to measure the value of INFILT or UZSN in field.
  I would appreciate if anyone could answer my question. 
  Thanks.

                                                            sunny

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Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 08:02:59 -0400
From: "Xiaoqing Huang" <xhuang@sjrwmd.com>
Subject: RE: About INFILT or UZSN in HSPF

Hi Zongliang,

All these parameters are nominal. They can't be really measured in the =
field experiments.

Xiaoqing Huang
xhuang@sjrwmd.com

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Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 06:51:46 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jairo Diaz <nelve_cab@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: About INFILT or UZSN in HSPF

Hi Zongliang
INFILT (mm/hr) is related to soil characteristics (BASINS technical note 6:=
 http://www.epa.gov/waterscience/basins/docs/tecnote6.pdf) and SCS hydrolog=
ic soil groups, so you can measure this parameter or use pre-established GI=
S databases of the study area.

Question: May I relate UZSN to soil moisture measurements?

thanks
jairo

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Mississippi State University
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--- El jue 12-jun-08, Xiaoqing Huang <xhuang@sjrwmd.com> escribi=C3=B3:

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> measured in the field experiments.
>=20
> Xiaoqing Huang
> xhuang@sjrwmd.com
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Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 07:56:01 -0700
From: Tony Donigian <donigian@aquaterra.com>
Subject: Re: About INFILT or UZSN in HSPF

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There really isn't a methodology for field measurement of those values,
as they are 'effective' values over a relatively large area.&nbsp; It would
take hundreds of measurements, and even then you might need to adjust,
or calibrate, to get the most appropriate values.<br>
<br>
The best info is in BASINS Tech Note #6, on the BASINS web site, along
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Hello All, 
  I want to know whether there is a methodology to measure INFILT or UZSN of 
HSPF
in field? I plan to measure the value of INFILT or UZSN in field.
  I would appreciate if anyone could answer my question. 
  Thanks.

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Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 12:26:31 -0400 (EDT)
From: jferrari@al.umces.edu
Subject: Re: About INFILT or UZSN in HSPF

I would add that field measurement info may be useful for calibration,
even if not directly usable in HSPF.

Example- if you have two landcover types, with measured infiltration rates
of 100 units and 50 units respectively, your calibration should have
final, calibrated INFIL values that obey this relationship even if the
calibrated INFIL parameter values are different than measured.

Joe Ferrari

>         There really isn't a methodology for field measurement of those
> values, as they are 'effective' values over a relatively large
> area.  It would take hundreds of measurements, and even then you
> might need to adjust, or calibrate, to get the most appropriate
> values.
>
>  The best info is in BASINS Tech Note #6, on the BASINS web site, along
> with values for almost 50 watersheds across the US contained in the
> HSPFParm database, also available from the web site.
>
>  Tony Donigian
>        ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Tony Donigian, P.E., D.WRE AQUA
> TERRA Consultants 2685 Marine Way, Suite 1314 Mountain View, CA
> 94043-1115 650-962-1864; fax 650-962-0706 www.aquaterra.com
>
>  &#23385;&#23447;&#20142; wrote:     Hello All,    I want to know whether
> there is a methodology to measure INFILT or UZSN of HSPF in field? I plan
> to measure the value of INFILT or UZSN in field.   I would appreciate if
> anyone could answer my question.    Thanks.
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Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 13:14:19 -0400
From: "Tom Jobes" <tjobes@sjrwmd.com>
Subject: RE: About INFILT or UZSN in HSPF

Joe,

I'm not sure that INFILT necessarily behaves so linearly that you'd say
that the calibrated values would have to be in a 2:1 ratio, but you
could likely infer that the one should remain higher than the other
during calibration, assuming as Tony points out that you have a
sufficient sample size for a good estimate of mean effective
infiltration over each of the two types.

Tom Jobes
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-----Original Message-----
From: jferrari@al.umces.edu [mailto:jferrari@al.umces.edu]=20
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 12:27 PM
To: Private list for BASINS users
Subject: Re: [basinsinfo] About INFILT or UZSN in HSPF

I would add that field measurement info may be useful for calibration,
even if not directly usable in HSPF.

Example- if you have two landcover types, with measured infiltration
rates
of 100 units and 50 units respectively, your calibration should have
final, calibrated INFIL values that obey this relationship even if the
calibrated INFIL parameter values are different than measured.

Joe Ferrari

>         There really isn't a methodology for field measurement of
those
> values, as they are 'effective' values over a relatively large
> area.  It would take hundreds of measurements, and even then you
> might need to adjust, or calibrate, to get the most appropriate
> values.
>
>  The best info is in BASINS Tech Note #6, on the BASINS web site,
along
> with values for almost 50 watersheds across the US contained in the
> HSPFParm database, also available from the web site.
>
>  Tony Donigian
>        ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Tony Donigian, P.E., D.WRE AQUA
> TERRA Consultants 2685 Marine Way, Suite 1314 Mountain View, CA
> 94043-1115 650-962-1864; fax 650-962-0706 www.aquaterra.com
>
>  &#23385;&#23447;&#20142; wrote:     Hello All,    I want to know
whether
> there is a methodology to measure INFILT or UZSN of HSPF in field? I
plan
> to measure the value of INFILT or UZSN in field.   I would appreciate
if
> anyone could answer my question.    Thanks.
>                                sunny
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From: "Jay D. Davis" <jdd@uiuc.edu>
Subject: RE: About INFILT or UZSN in HSPF

Typically a crude test is routinely applied.  You dig a hole, dump in a
gallon of water and hit the stopwatch.  What you get is a gal/sec, or
whatever vol/time units.  It is called a percolation, or PERC test.  Is =
this
the same thing you are describing?

jd

-----Original Message-----
From: Xiaoqing Huang [mailto:xhuang@sjrwmd.com]=20
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 9:41 AM
To: Private list for BASINS users
Subject: RE: [basinsinfo] About INFILT or UZSN in HSPF

Hi Jairo,

I agree with you that INFILT is related to soil characteristics. But =
this
doesn't mean that you can go to the field to measure it and then stick =
it in
the model without calibration. Yes, you can estimate a start-up value of
INFILT based on SCS hydrological groups or other people's calibrated =
values
of similar soil characteristics, etc. Then you need to calibrate it =
during
the modeling process.

Hope this helps.

Xiaoqing

-----Original Message-----
From: Jairo Diaz [mailto:nelve_cab@yahoo.com]=20
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 9:52 AM
To: Private list for BASINS users
Subject: RE: [basinsinfo] About INFILT or UZSN in HSPF

Hi Zongliang
INFILT (mm/hr) is related to soil characteristics (BASINS technical note =
6:
http://www.epa.gov/waterscience/basins/docs/tecnote6.pdf) and SCS =
hydrologic
soil groups, so you can measure this parameter or use pre-established =
GIS
databases of the study area.

Question: May I relate UZSN to soil moisture measurements?

thanks
jairo

Jairo Diaz-Ramirez, Ph.D.
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Department of Civil and Environmental Engineering
Mississippi State University
235 Walker Hall
Box 9546
Mississippi State, MS 39762-9546
(662) 325-9885 (Phone)
(662) 325-7189 (Fax)

--- El jue 12-jun-08, Xiaoqing Huang <xhuang@sjrwmd.com> escribi=F3:

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> A: "Private list for BASINS users" <basinsinfo@lists.epa.gov>
> Fecha: jueves, 12 junio, 2008, 6:02 am
> Hi Zongliang,
>=20
> All these parameters are nominal. They can't be really
> measured in the field experiments.
>=20
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> xhuang@sjrwmd.com
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> in field? I plan to measure the value of INFILT or UZSN in
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Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 10:55:12 -0500
From: "Jay D. Davis" <jdd@uiuc.edu>
Subject: RE: About INFILT or UZSN in HSPF

I am re reading my post and I meant to frame the statement a bit =
differently
than it came out.  I am not saying that the perc test described below is =
a
routine test for infiltration per se.  I am asking if this is what the
thread topic is about?  Is it the same concept?

jd

-----Original Message-----
From: Jay D. Davis [mailto:jdd@uiuc.edu]=20
Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 8:55 AM
To: Private list for BASINS users
Subject: RE: [basinsinfo] About INFILT or UZSN in HSPF

Typically a crude test is routinely applied.  You dig a hole, dump in a
gallon of water and hit the stopwatch.  What you get is a gal/sec, or
whatever vol/time units.  It is called a percolation, or PERC test.  Is =
this
the same thing you are describing?

jd

-----Original Message-----
From: Xiaoqing Huang [mailto:xhuang@sjrwmd.com]=20
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 9:41 AM
To: Private list for BASINS users
Subject: RE: [basinsinfo] About INFILT or UZSN in HSPF

Hi Jairo,

I agree with you that INFILT is related to soil characteristics. But =
this
doesn't mean that you can go to the field to measure it and then stick =
it in
the model without calibration. Yes, you can estimate a start-up value of
INFILT based on SCS hydrological groups or other people's calibrated =
values
of similar soil characteristics, etc. Then you need to calibrate it =
during
the modeling process.

Hope this helps.

Xiaoqing

-----Original Message-----
From: Jairo Diaz [mailto:nelve_cab@yahoo.com]=20
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 9:52 AM
To: Private list for BASINS users
Subject: RE: [basinsinfo] About INFILT or UZSN in HSPF

Hi Zongliang
INFILT (mm/hr) is related to soil characteristics (BASINS technical note =
6:
http://www.epa.gov/waterscience/basins/docs/tecnote6.pdf) and SCS =
hydrologic
soil groups, so you can measure this parameter or use pre-established =
GIS
databases of the study area.

Question: May I relate UZSN to soil moisture measurements?

thanks
jairo

Jairo Diaz-Ramirez, Ph.D.
Post-Doctoral Associate
Department of Civil and Environmental Engineering
Mississippi State University
235 Walker Hall
Box 9546
Mississippi State, MS 39762-9546
(662) 325-9885 (Phone)
(662) 325-7189 (Fax)

--- El jue 12-jun-08, Xiaoqing Huang <xhuang@sjrwmd.com> escribi=F3:

> De: Xiaoqing Huang <xhuang@sjrwmd.com>
> Asunto: RE: [basinsinfo] About INFILT or UZSN in HSPF
> A: "Private list for BASINS users" <basinsinfo@lists.epa.gov>
> Fecha: jueves, 12 junio, 2008, 6:02 am
> Hi Zongliang,
>=20
> All these parameters are nominal. They can't be really
> measured in the field experiments.
>=20
> Xiaoqing Huang
> xhuang@sjrwmd.com
>=20
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ??? [mailto:szl@mail.bnu.edu.cn]=20
> Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 11:01 PM
> To: Private list for BASINS users
> Subject: [basinsinfo] About INFILT or UZSN in HSPF
>=20
> Hello All,=20
>   I want to know whether there is a methodology to measure
> INFILT or UZSN of HSPF
> in field? I plan to measure the value of INFILT or UZSN in
> field.
>   I would appreciate if anyone could answer my question.=20
>   Thanks.
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Hi Eric

We've developed our own for years.

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Dear Alan,

 

If it is possible, can you suggest some sources about export coefficients.
I'm staying in Turkey and maybe other Basins users staying another
countries. And I can't call you with phone everytime.

 

Regards

 

Dr. Serdar Goncu

 

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Hi Eric

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Dear =
Alan,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>If it is possible, can you suggest =
some
sources about export coefficients. I&#8217;m staying in Turkey and maybe =
other
Basins users staying another countries. And I can&#8217;t call you with =
phone
everytime.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Regards<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>=

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Dr. Serdar =
Goncu<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
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font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font =
size=3D2
face=3DTahoma><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> Alan =
Cibuzar
[mailto:awc@awlab.com] <br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, June 17, =
2008 6:04
PM<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Private list for =
BASINS users<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [basinsinfo] =
PLOAD
export coefficients</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Give me a call, 218 829 =
7974</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'background:#E4E4E4'><b><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>From:</span=
></font></b><font
size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href=3D"mailto:eric.hempel@dnr.mo.gov" =
title=3D"eric.hempel@dnr.mo.gov">Eric Hempel</a>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
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face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href=3D"mailto:basinsinfo@lists.epa.gov" =
title=3D"basinsinfo@lists.epa.gov">Private
list for BASINS users</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
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face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> =
Tuesday, June 17,
2008 8:09 AM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></font></b><font =
size=3D2
face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Re: =
[basinsinfo]
PLOAD export coefficients<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3D2 face=3Dsans-serif><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif'>Alan, thanks for a =
reply.</span></font>
<br>
<br>
<font size=3D2 face=3Dsans-serif><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif'>Can
you recommend any resources or methods? </span></font><br>
<br>
<font size=3D2 face=3Dsans-serif><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif'>Thanks</span></font>
<br>
<font size=3D2 face=3Dsans-serif><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif'>Eric
Hempel<br>
Water Quality Standards<br>
Water Protection Program<br>
Missouri Department of Natural Resources<br>
573-526-7838</span></font> <br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></p>

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style=3D'font-size:
  7.5pt;font-family:sans-serif;font-weight:bold'>&quot;Alan =
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  =
href=3D"mailto:awc@awlab.com">awc@awlab.com</a>&gt;</span></font></b><fon=
t
  size=3D1 face=3Dsans-serif><span =
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  <p><font size=3D1 face=3Dsans-serif><span =
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    =
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    <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D1 face=3Dsans-serif><span =
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<p><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
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<br>
</span></font><tt><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>Hi
Eric</span></font></tt><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><br>
<br>
<tt><font face=3D"Courier New">We've developed our own for =
years.</font></tt><br>
<br>
<tt><font face=3D"Courier New">Alan</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face=3D"Courier New">----- Original Message ----- =
</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face=3D"Courier New">From: &quot;Eric Hempel&quot;
&lt;eric.hempel@dnr.mo.gov&gt;</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face=3D"Courier New">To: &quot;Private list for BASINS =
users&quot;
&lt;basinsinfo@lists.epa.gov&gt;</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face=3D"Courier New">Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 3:38 =
PM</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face=3D"Courier New">Subject: [basinsinfo] PLOAD export =
coefficients</font></tt><br>
<br>
<br>
<tt><font face=3D"Courier New">&gt; Hello-</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face=3D"Courier New">&gt; Does anyone have experience with =
deriving
export coefficients for TP and </font></tt><br>
<tt><font face=3D"Courier New">&gt; or TN? Thanks!</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face=3D"Courier New">&gt; =
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<tt><font face=3D"Courier New">&gt; You are currently subscribed to the
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X-Message-Number: 27
X-lyris-Id: 170914
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 11:01:32 -0500
From: "Alan Cibuzar" <awc@awlab.com>
Subject: Re: PLOAD export coefficients

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Hi=20

We simply go out in the field and test in triplicate each soil type in =
each land use.  We use a system that replicates a 100 year rain event.

We have been using this method since the mid 80's.  We do this because =
using the literature values from some other location (in our case =
Wisconsin) the results are inaccurate.

We use to set the system up and waited for a rain event; however we =
found that the phosphorus concentration varied by an order of magnitude, =
 So now we use a neutral known dilution water and set it up for a 100 =
year rain event.

Call with any questions.  218 829 7974

Thanks
Alan
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Serdar G=F6nc=FC=20
  To: Private list for BASINS users=20
  Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 1:21 AM
  Subject: RE: [basinsinfo] PLOAD export coefficients

  Dear Alan,

  =20

  If it is possible, can you suggest some sources about export =
coefficients. I'm staying in Turkey and maybe other Basins users staying =
another countries. And I can't call you with phone everytime.

  =20

  Regards

  =20

  Dr. Serdar Goncu

  =20

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  From: Alan Cibuzar [mailto:awc@awlab.com]=20
  Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 6:04 PM
  To: Private list for BASINS users
  Subject: Re: [basinsinfo] PLOAD export coefficients

  =20

  Give me a call, 218 829 7974

    ----- Original Message -----=20

    From: Eric Hempel=20

    To: Private list for BASINS users=20

    Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 8:09 AM

    Subject: Re: [basinsinfo] PLOAD export coefficients

    =20

    Alan, thanks for a reply.=20

    Can you recommend any resources or methods?=20

    Thanks=20
    Eric Hempel
    Water Quality Standards
    Water Protection Program
    Missouri Department of Natural Resources
    573-526-7838=20

          "Alan Cibuzar" <awc@awlab.com>=20

          06/16/2008 04:40 PM=20

                Please respond to
                "Private list for BASINS users" =
<basinsinfo@lists.epa.gov>
              =20

         To
               "Private list for BASINS users" =
<basinsinfo@lists.epa.gov>=20
              =20
                cc
               =20
              =20
                Subject
               Re: [basinsinfo] PLOAD export coefficients
              =20

          =20

                =20
               =20
              =20

        =20

    Hi Eric

    We've developed our own for years.

    Alan
    ----- Original Message -----=20
    From: "Eric Hempel" <eric.hempel@dnr.mo.gov>
    To: "Private list for BASINS users" <basinsinfo@lists.epa.gov>
    Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 3:38 PM
    Subject: [basinsinfo] PLOAD export coefficients

    > Hello-
    > Does anyone have experience with deriving export coefficients for =
TP and=20
    > or TN? Thanks!
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hi </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>We simply go out in the field and test =
in=20
triplicate each soil type in each land use.&nbsp; We use a system that=20
replicates a 100 year rain event.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>We have been using this method since =
the mid=20
80's.&nbsp; We do this because using the literature values from some =
other=20
location (in our case Wisconsin) the results are =
inaccurate.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>We use to set the system up and waited =
for a rain=20
event; however we found that the phosphorus concentration varied by an =
order of=20
magnitude,&nbsp; So now we use a neutral known dilution water and set it =
up for=20
a 100 year rain event.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Call with any questions.&nbsp; 218 829=20
7974</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thanks</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Alan</FONT></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
  <DIV=20
  style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
  <A title=3Dsgoncu@anadolu.edu.tr =
href=3D"mailto:sgoncu@anadolu.edu.tr">Serdar=20
  G=F6nc=FC</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Dbasinsinfo@lists.epa.gov=20
  href=3D"mailto:basinsinfo@lists.epa.gov">Private list for BASINS =
users</A>=20
</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, June 18, 2008 =
1:21=20
  AM</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [basinsinfo] PLOAD =
export=20
  coefficients</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV class=3DSection1>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Dear=20
  Alan,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">If it is =
possible,=20
  can you suggest some sources about export coefficients. I&#8217;m =
staying in Turkey=20
  and maybe other Basins users staying another countries. And I =
can&#8217;t call you=20
  with phone everytime.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">Regards<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Dr. Serdar=20
  Goncu<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Tahoma">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT=20
  face=3DTahoma size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Tahoma"> Alan=20
  Cibuzar [mailto:awc@awlab.com] <BR><B><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Tuesday, June 17, 2008 =
6:04=20
  PM<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> Private list =
for=20
  BASINS users<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: =
bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re:=20
  [basinsinfo] PLOAD export =
coefficients</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <DIV>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Give me a call, 218 829=20
  7974</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">----- Original Message =
-----=20
    <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"font-color: black">
    <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4"><B><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
    size=3D2><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT=20
    face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial"> <A=20
    title=3Deric.hempel@dnr.mo.gov =
href=3D"mailto:eric.hempel@dnr.mo.gov">Eric=20
    Hempel</A> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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    style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">To:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT=20
    face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial"> <A=20
    title=3Dbasinsinfo@lists.epa.gov=20
    href=3D"mailto:basinsinfo@lists.epa.gov">Private list for BASINS =
users</A>=20
    <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
    <DIV>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">Sent:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT=20
    face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">=20
    Tuesday, June 17, 2008 8:09 AM<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
    <DIV>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">Subject:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT=20
    face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial"> Re:=20
    [basinsinfo] PLOAD export =
coefficients<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
    <DIV>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
    <P style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><FONT face=3Dsans-serif =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: sans-serif">Alan, thanks for =
a=20
    reply.</SPAN></FONT> <BR><BR><FONT face=3Dsans-serif size=3D2><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: sans-serif">Can you recommend =
any=20
    resources or methods? </SPAN></FONT><BR><BR><FONT face=3Dsans-serif=20
    size=3D2><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
sans-serif">Thanks</SPAN></FONT>=20
    <BR><FONT face=3Dsans-serif size=3D2><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: sans-serif">Eric =
Hempel<BR>Water=20
    Quality Standards<BR>Water Protection Program<BR>Missouri Department =
of=20
    Natural Resources<BR>573-526-7838</SPAN></FONT> =
<BR><BR><o:p></o:p></P>
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          style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 7.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
sans-serif">"Alan=20
          Cibuzar" &lt;<A=20
          =
href=3D"mailto:awc@awlab.com">awc@awlab.com</A>&gt;</SPAN></FONT></B><FON=
T=20
          face=3Dsans-serif size=3D1><SPAN=20
          style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 7.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: sans-serif">=20
          </SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
          <P><FONT face=3Dsans-serif size=3D1><SPAN=20
          style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 7.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: sans-serif">06/16/2008 =
04:40=20
          PM</SPAN></FONT> <o:p></o:p></P>
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              style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0.75pt; PADDING-LEFT: 0.75pt; =
BACKGROUND: white; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0.75pt; PADDING-TOP: 0.75pt"=20
              vAlign=3Dtop bgColor=3Dwhite>
                <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"TEXT-ALIGN: center" =
align=3Dcenter><FONT=20
                face=3Dsans-serif size=3D1><SPAN=20
                style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 7.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
sans-serif">Please respond=20
                to<BR>"Private list for BASINS users" &lt;<A=20
                =
href=3D"mailto:basinsinfo@lists.epa.gov">basinsinfo@lists.epa.gov</A>&gt;=
</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
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          style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></TD>
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        style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0.75pt; PADDING-LEFT: 0.75pt; =
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              style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0.75pt; PADDING-LEFT: 0.75pt; =
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                <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3Dsans-serif =
size=3D1><SPAN=20
                style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 7.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
sans-serif">To</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV></TD>
              <TD=20
              style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0.75pt; PADDING-LEFT: 0.75pt; =
PADDING-BOTTOM: 0.75pt; PADDING-TOP: 0.75pt"=20
              vAlign=3Dtop>
                <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3Dsans-serif =
size=3D1><SPAN=20
                style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 7.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
sans-serif">"Private list=20
                for BASINS users" =
&lt;basinsinfo@lists.epa.gov&gt;</SPAN></FONT>=20
                <o:p></o:p></P></TD></TR>
            <TR>
              <TD=20
              style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0.75pt; PADDING-LEFT: 0.75pt; =
PADDING-BOTTOM: 0.75pt; PADDING-TOP: 0.75pt">
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                <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3Dsans-serif =
size=3D1><SPAN=20
                style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 7.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
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              style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0.75pt; PADDING-LEFT: 0.75pt; =
PADDING-BOTTOM: 0.75pt; PADDING-TOP: 0.75pt"=20
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size=3D3><SPAN=20
                style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></TD></TR>
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              <TD=20
              style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0.75pt; PADDING-LEFT: 0.75pt; =
PADDING-BOTTOM: 0.75pt; PADDING-TOP: 0.75pt">
                <DIV>
                <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3Dsans-serif =
size=3D1><SPAN=20
                style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 7.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
sans-serif">Subject</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV></TD>
              <TD=20
              style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0.75pt; PADDING-LEFT: 0.75pt; =
PADDING-BOTTOM: 0.75pt; PADDING-TOP: 0.75pt"=20
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                <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3Dsans-serif =
size=3D1><SPAN=20
                style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 7.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: sans-serif">Re:=20
                [basinsinfo] PLOAD export=20
                =
coefficients</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
          <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
size=3D3><SPAN=20
          style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
          <TABLE class=3DMsoNormalTable cellPadding=3D0 border=3D0>
            <TBODY>
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              <TD=20
              style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0.75pt; PADDING-LEFT: 0.75pt; =
PADDING-BOTTOM: 0.75pt; PADDING-TOP: 0.75pt"=20
              vAlign=3Dtop>
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size=3D3><SPAN=20
                style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></TD>
              <TD=20
              style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0.75pt; PADDING-LEFT: 0.75pt; =
PADDING-BOTTOM: 0.75pt; PADDING-TOP: 0.75pt"=20
              vAlign=3Dtop>
                <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
size=3D3><SPAN=20
                style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
          <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
size=3D3><SPAN=20
          style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
    <P><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><BR><BR></SPAN></FONT><TT><FONT =
face=3D"Courier New"=20
    size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Hi =
Eric</SPAN></FONT></TT><FONT=20
    face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier =
New'"><BR><BR><TT><FONT=20
    face=3D"Courier New">We've developed our own for=20
    years.</FONT></TT><BR><BR><TT><FONT=20
    face=3D"Courier New">Alan</FONT></TT><BR><TT><FONT face=3D"Courier =
New">-----=20
    Original Message ----- </FONT></TT><BR><TT><FONT face=3D"Courier =
New">From:=20
    "Eric Hempel" =
&lt;eric.hempel@dnr.mo.gov&gt;</FONT></TT><BR><TT><FONT=20
    face=3D"Courier New">To: "Private list for BASINS users"=20
    &lt;basinsinfo@lists.epa.gov&gt;</FONT></TT><BR><TT><FONT=20
    face=3D"Courier New">Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 3:38=20
    PM</FONT></TT><BR><TT><FONT face=3D"Courier New">Subject: =
[basinsinfo] PLOAD=20
    export coefficients</FONT></TT><BR><BR><BR><TT><FONT face=3D"Courier =
New">&gt;=20
    Hello-</FONT></TT><BR><TT><FONT face=3D"Courier New">&gt; Does =
anyone have=20
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Dear BASINS users in Spain,

The International Environmental Modeling Software Society meeting is in
Barcelona, July 6-10. I will be attending this meeting and am hoping to meet
with anyone who is interested in BASINS who is in the region and/or will be
attending the meeting.  Please contact me directly (amesdani@isu.edu) if
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Thanks,

Dan

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<p>Dear BASINS users in Spain,<br clear="all"></p><p>The International 
Environmental Modeling Software Society meeting is in Barcelona, July 6-10. I 
will be attending this meeting and am hoping to meet with anyone who is 
interested in BASINS who is in the region and/or will be attending the meeting. 
&nbsp;Please contact me directly (<a href="mailto:amesdani@isu.edu
">amesdani@isu.edu</a>) if this is you!</p>
<p>Thanks,</p><p>Dan</p><br>-- <br>Daniel P. Ames, PhD, PE<br>Geospatial 
Software Lab<br>Department of Geosciences<br>Idaho State University - Idaho 
Falls<br><a href="mailto:amesdani@isu.edu">amesdani@isu.edu</a><br><a 
href="http://www.hydromap.com">www.hydromap.com</a><br>

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Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 14:30:12 -0700
From: Tony Donigian <donigian@aquaterra.com>
Subject: Re: A question about soil

Check the BASINS/HSPF workshop lectures on the BASINS web site - the 
HSPF overview and the hydrology and AGCHEM lectures all discuss typical 
depths for the soil layers.

Tony Donigian

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>   I want to know if there is a classification criterion of soil in HSPF, for
>example what means "the upper zone ", maybe 20cm below the surface soil? or 
30cm
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>
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Subject: Re: A question about soil

Dear Tony,
     
     Thank you for your advise. But I really couldn't find the lectures you said
on the BASINS web site, so would you mind sending me by email? Because I think 
to
make sure the typical depths for the soil layers are very important to me.Thank
you very much.
????????????????????:
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>Subject: Re: [basinsinfo] A question about soil
>Date:Wed, 18 Jun 2008 14:30:12 -0700
>
>Check the BASINS/HSPF workshop lectures on the BASINS web site - theHSPF 
overview
and the hydrology and AGCHEM lectures all discuss typical depths for the soil
layers.
>
> Tony Donigia
> ????????? wrote:
> >Hello all,
>>   >   I want to know if there is a classification criterion of soil in HSPF,
f>example what means "the upper zone ", maybe 20cm below the surface soil? or
30c>below the surface? And what about the "lower zone" exactly represents?
>>
> >   Thank you for your attention and I will appreciated for your advise.>
> >
> >                                                                  sunny>
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Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 19:17:48 -0700
From: Tony Donigian <donigian@aquaterra.com>
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Soil depths are only used in the MSTLAY and AGCHEM modules, to
determine the soil mass for sorption/desorption calculations.<br>
<br>
Surface layer = .2 to .7 in, typically 0.5 inches, or 1 cm.<br>
Upper Zone = 6 to 10 inches, or 15 to 25 cm - 15 cm is common, usually
depth to plow layer for ag lands, less the surface zone depth.<br>
Lower Zone = 4 to 8 feet, typically 6 ft, or 180 cm - usually
considered the depth to bottom of crop root zone, less the surface and
upper zone depths.<br>
<br>
GW depth = 6 - 10 ft, represents shallow GW that contributes to stream
baseflow.<br>
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Dear Tony,
     
     Thank you for your advise. But I really couldn't find the lectures you said
on the BASINS web site, so would you mind sending me by email? Because I think 
to
make sure the typical depths for the soil layers are very important to me.Thank
you very much.
????????????????????:
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Check the BASINS/HSPF workshop lectures on the BASINS web site - theHSPF 
overview
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Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 12:38:47 -0400
From: "Brannan, Kevin" <kbrannan@vt.edu>
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  Hi everyone

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  I have been working with Fecal Coliform Bacteria model using HSPF. The =
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but the simulation run output (GenScn) for the last subwatershed =
(WATHERSHED OUTLET),  produced values between             -4.58x1029 and =
- 5 x1029 , which is not consistent with the watershed=92s =
characteristics.  Does anyone know why is happening this?

  =20

  Thank you for any replies.

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  paolita_l@hotmail.com

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FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">I=20
  have been working with Fecal Coliform Bacteria model using HSPF. The =
model is=20
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  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black; LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; =
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FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">dissolve=20
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Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 13:29:25 -0400
From: "Tom Jobes" <tjobes@sjrwmd.com>
Subject: RE: GenScn output problem

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Paula and James,

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Exactly, James - no-water events result in undefined concentrations, =
which are indicated by -1.0E30.  For some variables, there is a units =
conversion applied (for GQUAL this is the user-defined conversion =
factor), and if you are outputting aggregated values, you can sometimes =
have a mix of "real" values and "undefined", giving oddball values like =
Paola's -4.58e29.

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If in doubt, try outputting both DQAL and VOL at the same timestep as =
the run - you should see the big negatives line up with VOL=3D0.0 in a =
listing.  Whether the VOL=3D0 makes sense for your watershed is =
something you'll have to decide based on the local conditions.

=20

Tom Jobes

St Johns River Water Management District

tjobes@sjrwmd.com

W: 386-329-4463

C: 386-937-6341

=20

From: James Miertschin [mailto:jmaenv@swbell.net]=20
Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 12:49 PM
To: Private list for BASINS users
Subject: Re: [basinsinfo] GenScn output problem

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I have seen large negative numbers result when the model believes that =
the stream has dried up.

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   Subject: [basinsinfo] GenScn output problem

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   Hi everyone

   =20

   I have been working with Fecal Coliform Bacteria model using HSPF. The =
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but the simulation run output (GenScn) for the last subwatershed =
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- 5 x1029 , which is not consistent with the watershed's =
characteristics.  Does anyone know why is happening this?

   =20

   Thank you for any replies.

   =20

   Paola Prieto

   Graduate Student

   Civil Engineering Department

   University of Puerto Rico, Mayag=FCez

   paolita_l@hotmail.com

   =20

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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color:#1F497D'>Exactly, James &#8211; no-water events result in =
undefined
concentrations, which are indicated by -1.0E30.=A0 For some variables, =
there is a
units conversion applied (for GQUAL this is the user-defined conversion
factor), and if you are outputting aggregated values, you can sometimes =
have a
mix of &#8220;real&#8221; values and &#8220;undefined&#8221;, giving =
oddball
values like Paola&#8217;s -4.58e29.</span></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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color:#1F497D'>If in doubt, try outputting both DQAL and VOL at the same =
timestep
as the run &#8211; you should see the big negatives line up with =
VOL=3D0.0 in a
listing.=A0 Whether the VOL=3D0 makes sense for your watershed is =
something you&#8217;ll
have to decide based on the local conditions.</span></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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Jobes</span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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Johns River Water Management District</span></p>

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- 5 x10<sup>29</sup> , which is not consistent with the =
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characteristics.=A0 </span><span =
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Kasia

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Dear Kasia,

 

I have used WinHSPF for my pHD thesis. Creating and running the model
depands your study area. If your study area consist a lot of sub basins and
river segments, your Project take a long time.

But if your catchment as a small area, the modelling time not more long. 

Approximate creating model inputs take 6 months for my Project. Especially
creating meteorological data wdm files and linking between basins are very
complex process for WinHSPF (I think).

 

Good luck 

 

Dr.Serdar GONCU

 

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From: Kasia Borthwick [mailto:kborthwick@arcadisgmi.com] 
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Hi, 

I have been trying to work out how easy/difficult it is to use WinHSPF in
the UK. Since all the input files, that are created in Basins need to be
done from scratch seems like a lot of work. My question is, whether anyone
has done it outside the US, and how long did it take to create and run the
model.

Thanks, 

Kasia 

Katarzyna Borthwick 
Environmental Consultant 
ARCADIS, Craven Court, Willie Snaith Road, Newmarket, Suffolk, CB8 7FA 
  
Tel: +44(0)1638 674767 
Fax: +44(0)1638 668191 
 
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I have used WinHSPF for my pHD =
thesis. Creating
and running the model depands your study area. If your study area =
consist a lot
of sub basins and river segments, your Project take a long =
time.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>But if your catchment as a small =
area, the
modelling time not more long. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Approximate creating model inputs =
take 6
months for my Project. Especially creating meteorological data wdm files =
and
linking between basins are very complex process for WinHSPF (I =
think).<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
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<o:p></o:p></p>

<p><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>I
have been trying to work out how easy/difficult it is to use WinHSPF in =
the UK.
Since all the input files, that are created in Basins need to be done =
from
scratch seems like a lot of work. My question is, whether anyone has =
done it
outside the US, and how long did it take to create and run the =
model.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
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<p><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
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Hello

I used BASINS 4.0 and HSPF for modeling hydrology and non point source poll=
utant loadings for a watershed in southern Turkey for my PhD research. I gu=
ess if you have the relevant data available the only thing that may take lo=
ng is the actual learning of the modeling system. Beginning with the BASINS=
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r me the BASINS/HSPF documentation was of great help. I suppose if you are =
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 project anything between 6-12 months might be a good guess.

Wish you best of luck

Mansoor Baloch

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Subject: [basinsinfo] Basins / WinHSPF in the UK
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Basins / WinHSPF in the UK

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Hi,

I have been trying to work out how easy/difficult it is to use WinHSPF in t=
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Thanks,

Kasia

Katarzyna Borthwick

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style='font: inherit;'>Hello<br><br>I used BASINS 4.0 and HSPF for modeling 
hydrology and non point source pollutant loadings for a watershed in southern 
Turkey for my PhD research. I guess if you have the relevant data available the 
only thing that may take long is the actual learning of the modeling system. 
Beginning with the BASINS/HSPF tutorial will be a good start for gaining 
familiarity. Furthermore for me the BASINS/HSPF documentation was of great 
help. I suppose if you are all into it with your data in hands and depending on 
the objectives of your project anything between 6-12 months might be a good 
guess.<br><br>Wish you best of luck<br><br>Mansoor Baloch<br><br>--- On <b>Tue, 
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<p><font face="Arial" size="2">Hi,</font>
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<p><font face="Arial" size="2">I have been trying to work out how 
easy/difficult it is to use WinHSPF in the UK. Since all the input files, that 
are created in Basins need to be done from scratch seems like a lot of work. My 
question is, whether anyone has done it outside the US, and how long did it 
take to create and run the model.</font></p>

<p><font face="Arial" size="2">Thanks,</font>
</p>

<p><font face="Arial" size="2">Kasia</font>
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<p><font color="#808080" face="Arial" size="2">Katarzyna Borthwick</font>

<br><font color="#808080" face="Arial" size="2">Environmental Consultant</font>

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X-Message-Number: 39
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Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 19:07:45 -0000
From: "Vicki Steed" <vicki.steed@state.tn.us>
Subject: error message in WinHSPF

I am a new user of WinHSPF.  I have created a new project in BASINS and 
launched it into WinHSPF.  When I try to run my project, the program abends and 
I get the following error message:

 *******************************************************************
 
*                                                                               
   *
 *  ERROR/WARNING ID:   341   
4                                                     *
 
*                                                                               
   *
 *  DATE/TIME: 1985/ 1/ 1  1: 
0                                                     *
 
*                                                                               
   *
 *  RCHRES:    33                         
*                                                                               
   *
 *  The calculation of relative depth in subroutine AUXIL, using 
Newton's           *
 *  method of successive approximations, did not converge.  Probable reason 
--      *
 *  unusual or bad entries in RCHTAB.  Relevant data 
are:                           *
 
*                                                                               
   *
 *           A          B          C      RDEP1      RDEP2  
COUNT                   *
 *  0.0000E+00 2613.6     ********** ********** **********    
120                   *
 
*                                                                               
   *
 
********************************************************************************
****
 

I have searched the UCI file and find no occurrences of AUXIL of RCHTAB.  I 
would guess that the problem is in the FTABLES, but there are no fields RDEP1 
or RDEP2.  The only change I made in WinHSPF before clicking on RUN was to 
select a point source (which is not in reach 33).

Any suggestions?

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From: Kate Flynn <kmflynn@usgs.gov>
Subject: Re: error message in WinHSPF

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AUXIL is a subroutine in HSPF, so you won't find it the input file. RCHTAB 
is the data from the FTABLES block.  Probably, as noted in the message, 
there is a problem with the FTABLE associated with RCHRES 33.  The ***'s 
under C, RDEP1, and RDEP2 probably indicate very very large numbers that 
don't fit it in the available space.  See the HSPF manual for a 
description of the computation and variables used; there is also a nice 
illustration.  (Assuming the default installation, you can find the manual 
on your computer in C:\Basins\docs\HSPF.chm). Search on the keyword 
RCHTAB, to find "Values of Auxiliary State Variables - AUXL"

Kate

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I am a new user of WinHSPF.  I have created a new project in BASINS and 
launched it into WinHSPF.  When I try to run my project, the program 
abends and I get the following error message:

 *******************************************************************
 *          *
 *  ERROR/WARNING ID:   341   4          *
 *          *
 *  DATE/TIME: 1985/ 1/ 1  1: 0          *
 *          *
 *  RCHRES:    33                         *                     *
 *  The calculation of relative depth in subroutine AUXIL, using Newton's  
        *
 *  method of successive approximations, did not converge.  Probable 
reason --      *
 *  unusual or bad entries in RCHTAB.  Relevant data are:          *
 *          *
 *           A          B          C      RDEP1      RDEP2  COUNT  *
 *  0.0000E+00 2613.6     ********** ********** **********    120  *
 *          *
 
********************************************************************************
****
 

I have searched the UCI file and find no occurrences of AUXIL of RCHTAB. I 
would guess that the problem is in the FTABLES, but there are no fields 
RDEP1 or RDEP2.  The only change I made in WinHSPF before clicking on RUN 
was to select a point source (which is not in reach 33).

Any suggestions?

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<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">AUXIL is a subroutine in HSPF, so you
won't find it the input file. &nbsp;RCHTAB is the data from the FTABLES
block. &nbsp;Probably, as noted in the message, there is a problem with
the FTABLE associated with RCHRES 33. &nbsp;The ***'s under C, RDEP1, and
RDEP2 probably indicate very very large numbers that don't fit it in the
available space. &nbsp;See the HSPF manual for a description of the computation
and variables used; there is also a nice illustration. &nbsp;(Assuming
the default installation, you can find the manual on your computer in 
C:\Basins\docs\HSPF.chm).
Search on the keyword RCHTAB, to find &quot;Values of Auxiliary State Variables
- AUXL&quot;</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Kate<br>
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<br><font size=2><tt>I am a new user of WinHSPF. &nbsp;I have created a
new project in BASINS and launched it into WinHSPF. &nbsp;When I try to
run my project, the program abends and I get the following error message:<br>
<br>
<br>
 *******************************************************************<br>
 * &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;*<br>
 * &nbsp;ERROR/WARNING ID: &nbsp; 341 &nbsp; 4 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;
*<br>
 * &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;*<br>
 * &nbsp;DATE/TIME: 1985/ 1/ 1 &nbsp;1: 0 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; *<br>
 * &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;*<br>
 * &nbsp;RCHRES: &nbsp; &nbsp;33 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; * &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;*<br>
 * &nbsp;The calculation of relative depth in subroutine AUXIL, using Newton's
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; *<br>
 * &nbsp;method of successive approximations, did not converge. &nbsp;Probable
reason -- &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;*<br>
 * &nbsp;unusual or bad entries in RCHTAB. &nbsp;Relevant data are: &nbsp;
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;
&nbsp; *<br>
 * &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;*<br>
 * &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; A &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;B
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;C &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;RDEP1 &nbsp; &nbsp;
&nbsp;RDEP2 &nbsp;COUNT &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;
&nbsp; &nbsp; *<br>
 * &nbsp;0.0000E+00 2613.6 &nbsp; &nbsp; ********** ********** **********
&nbsp; &nbsp;120 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;
&nbsp; *<br>
 * &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;*<br>
 
********************************************************************************
****<br>
 <br>
<br>
I have searched the UCI file and find no occurrences of AUXIL of RCHTAB.
&nbsp;I would guess that the problem is in the FTABLES, but there are no
fields RDEP1 or RDEP2. &nbsp;The only change I made in WinHSPF before clicking
on RUN was to select a point source (which is not in reach 33).<br>
<br>
Any suggestions?<br>
<br>
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Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 16:22:39 -0400
From: "Iudicello, Jeff" <j.iudicello@umiami.edu>
Subject: freezing problems during automatic delineation

Dear Listserv-

I am having problems while trying to perform an automatic delination of my =
watershed project.  In the past, clicking "Run all" would normally only tak=
e about 2 minutes to finish the calculations.  Now, it freezes after about =
25... I'm not sure if I am doing something wrong this time or if there is a=
 problem elsewhere.  It always seems to finally freeze while calculating th=
e "WS slope parameters".

Any help would be much appreciated.  Thanks...

Jeff Iudicello
PhD Student
Department of Civil, Architectural, and Environmental Engineering
University of Miami
j.iudicello@umiami.edu

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Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 19:19:52 -0000
From: "Vicki Steed" <vicki.steed@state.tn.us>
Subject: discrepancy between BASINS and WinHSPF

I have delineated several watersheds in a BASINS project. There are 5 
subwatersheds, 5 stream segments, & 5 outlets.  However, when I launch the 
project into WinHSPF, only 1 icon is displayed on the initial screen -- 
RCHRES1.  If I click on the "land use" button at the top of the screen, 5 
different subwatersheds are listed with their correct landuse.  If I click on 
the "reaches" button at the top of the screen, 5 different stream segments are 
listed and the F table entries appear to be correct.

So why is RCHRES1 the only icon on the first screen?  I've tried repeating the 
automatic delineation, but no change.  I even tried re-installing BASINS in 
case a file had been corrupted, but no luck.  At first I thought WinHSPF was 
summarizing all of the watersheds into one, but it really is RCHRES1, not a 
summary.

Any idea what's going on here?  Other WinHSPF users in my group are not 
experiencing this problem, so we are truly puzzled.

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Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 18:04:28 -0700
From: Derek Stuart <DStuart@nhc-sea.com>
Subject: Basins Default / Working Directory

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Is there a way to set a working directory in Map Window / Basins4?  It 
seems that the files created by the BASINS Automatic Delineation process 
are determined to show up inside my DEM grid directory. 

I thought that the last GIS layer added to the project would set the 
working directory but that does not seem to be the case.   Another idea 
was the 'File' -> 'Save Data In' option but that seems to be an inactive 
button.

Any ideas?

Derek Stuart, P.E.
northwest hydraulic consultants, inc.
16300 Christensen Road, Suite 350
Seattle, WA 98188-3418
DStuart@nhc-sea.com
http://www.nhcweb.com
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<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Is there a way to set a working directory
in Map Window / Basins4? &nbsp;It seems that the files created by the BASINS
Automatic Delineation process are determined to show up inside my DEM grid
directory. &nbsp;</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">I thought that the last GIS layer added
to the project would set the working directory but that does not seem to
be the case. &nbsp; Another idea was the 'File' -&gt; 'Save Data In' option
but that seems to be an inactive button.</font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif"><br>
Any ideas?<br>
<br>
</font><font size=3 face="ScriptC">D</font><font size=3 face="ScriptS">erek
Stuart,</font><font size=3> P.E.</font><font size=2 color=#00008b 
face="Arial"><b><br>
northwest hydraulic consultants, inc.</b></font><font size=2><br>
16300 Christensen Road, Suite 350<br>
Seattle, WA 98188-3418<br>
DStuart@nhc-sea.com<br>
http://www.nhcweb.com<br>
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Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 08:04:26 -0600
From: "Daniel Ames" <amesdani@isu.edu>
Subject: Re: Basins Default / Working Directory

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Derek,

In the current version of BASINS the Automatic Watershed Delin tool is set
up to do what you've noticed - place the output files in the same location
as the input DEM. This is a good suggestion though and we're working on
setting up a bugs/features repository that we'll soon be able to use to log
such ideas. In the mean time there's not a work-around that I'm aware of.

Dan

On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 7:04 PM, Derek Stuart <DStuart@nhc-sea.com> wrote:

>
> Is there a way to set a working directory in Map Window / Basins4?  It
> seems that the files created by the BASINS Automatic Delineation process are
> determined to show up inside my DEM grid directory.
>
> I thought that the last GIS layer added to the project would set the
> working directory but that does not seem to be the case.   Another idea was
> the 'File' -> 'Save Data In' option but that seems to be an inactive button.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Derek Stuart, P.E.*
> northwest hydraulic consultants, inc.*
> 16300 Christensen Road, Suite 350
> Seattle, WA 98188-3418
> DStuart@nhc-sea.com
> http://www.nhcweb.com
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Derek, <br><br>In the current version of BASINS the Automatic Watershed Delin 
tool is set up to do what you&#39;ve noticed - place the output files in the 
same location as the input DEM. This is a good suggestion though and we&#39;re 
working on setting up a bugs/features repository that we&#39;ll soon be able to 
use to log such ideas. In the mean time there&#39;s not a work-around that 
I&#39;m aware of. <br>
<br>Dan<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 7:04 PM, Derek 
Stuart &lt;<a href="mailto:DStuart@nhc-sea.com">DStuart@nhc-sea.com</a>&gt; 
wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid 
rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">

<br><font face="sans-serif" size="2">Is there a way to set a working directory
in Map Window / Basins4? &nbsp;It seems that the files created by the BASINS
Automatic Delineation process are determined to show up inside my DEM grid
directory. &nbsp;</font>
<br>
<br><font face="sans-serif" size="2">I thought that the last GIS layer added
to the project would set the working directory but that does not seem to
be the case. &nbsp; Another idea was the &#39;File&#39; -&gt; &#39;Save Data 
In&#39; option
but that seems to be an inactive button.</font>
<br><font face="sans-serif" size="2"><br>
Any ideas?<br>
<br>
</font><font face="ScriptC" size="3">D</font><font face="ScriptS" size="3">erek
Stuart,</font><font size="3"> P.E.</font><font color="#00008b" face="Arial" 
size="2"><b><br>
northwest hydraulic consultants, inc.</b></font><font size="2"><br>
16300 Christensen Road, Suite 350<br>
Seattle, WA 98188-3418<br>
<a href="mailto:DStuart@nhc-sea.com" target="_blank">DStuart@nhc-sea.com</a><br>
<a href="http://www.nhcweb.com" target="_blank">http://www.nhcweb.com</a><br>
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Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 12:22:49 -0400
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Hi,

I've a quick question regarding creating the point sources file. The WinHSP=
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ily interval and was wondering first of all if I can do that and if so shou=
ld I use lbs/day as the load unit. Also, in the manual an example is given =
for an ASCII load input. Can I use a wdm with the loads and flows?

Thanks,

Roop

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Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 11:17:19 -0600
From: "Allen Richard Anselmo" <shade@turbonet.com>
Subject: Re: Basins Default / Working Directory

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If you click on the Advanced Settings button on the AWD form, type =
"output" in the "Relative Output Directory" option at the top, then all =
of your output files will be placed in the <DEM directory>\output =
folder.

I can only speak for the AWD part though as that's the one I wrote. I'm =
not entirely sure if the rest of the BASINS process requires those files =
to be in the DEM directory or if it just goes off the path of the =
currently loaded output files.

Allen Anselmo
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  Subject: [basinsinfo] Basins Default / Working Directory

  Is there a way to set a working directory in Map Window / Basins4?  It =
seems that the files created by the BASINS Automatic Delineation process =
are determined to show up inside my DEM grid directory.  =20

  I thought that the last GIS layer added to the project would set the =
working directory but that does not seem to be the case.   Another idea =
was the 'File' -> 'Save Data In' option but that seems to be an inactive =
button.=20

  Any ideas?

  Derek Stuart, P.E.
  northwest hydraulic consultants, inc.
  16300 Christensen Road, Suite 350
  Seattle, WA 98188-3418
  DStuart@nhc-sea.com
  http://www.nhcweb.com
  Ph: 206 241-6000 Fx: 206 439-2420
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files=20
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Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 11:02:24 -0700
From: Derek Stuart <DStuart@nhc-sea.com>
Subject: Basins4 Custom Stream Network

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Thank you to all for comments on my working directory question.  I have 
yet another BASINS4 question related to developing a model with a custom 
stream network.

If a user starts with the Automatic Basin Delineation he or she gets a 
stream network that is connected at all junctions and one stream 
corresponds to each sub-basin.  This works well.  Now, if the user wants 
to use only a selected number of the sub-basins it appears to me that 
BASINS4 is unable to create a stream network that is connected at all 
junctions. 
____________________________________________________________________
The steps I have taken thus far:

A) Automatic delineation at a specified number of pour points (input = 
DEM, pour_points.shp, and burn-in with non-NED streams layer 
"other_source_stream.shp" that includes LEVEL field) 
--> creates files testnet.shp (streams), testw.shp (all sub-basins) and 
testw_merged.shp(pour point sub-basins)

At this point I want to get a stream network that has one stream per basin 
and attributes linking the sub-basins in testw_merged.shp.  I can 
certainly do this manually in GIS but it seems to me that either the 
Automatic or Manual Delineations in BASINS4 should do it for me.

B - Attempt 1) Try Manual Delineation using (testw_merged.shp, DEM and 
"other_source_stream.shp") 
 --> creates stream1.shp and subbasin1.shp within a 'watershed' 
sub-folder. 

The problem with stream1.shp is that the streams are clipped at the edge 
of the sub-basin and they no longer connect to the downstream stream 
segment.  In addition to the streams being clipped it also seems that the 
DSLINKNO, USLINKNO, etc. fields are not populated from the Manual 
Delineation dialog.  I also note that the streams dataset created with the 
Automatic Delineation does not include LEVEL so it does not run in the 
Manual Delineation dialogs.

B - Attempt 2) Try Manual Delineation using (testw.shp, DEM and 
"other_source_stream.shp"), using "merge sub-basins" feature to merge 
sub-basins
 --> creates stream2.shp and subbasin2.shp within a 'watershed' 
sub-folder. 

Stream2.shp has the same problems that stream1.shp did.
____________________________________________________________________

I am using the 6/9/2008 build of BASINS4.

Any feedback folks can provide would be appreciated.

Regards,

Derek Stuart, P.E.
northwest hydraulic consultants, inc.
16300 Christensen Road, Suite 350
Seattle, WA 98188-3418
DStuart@nhc-sea.com
http://www.nhcweb.com
Ph: 206 241-6000 Fx: 206 439-2420
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<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Thank you to all for comments on my
working directory question. &nbsp;I have yet another BASINS4 question related
to developing a model with a custom stream network.</font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif"><br>
If a user starts with the Automatic Basin Delineation he or she gets a
stream network that is connected at all junctions and one stream corresponds
to each sub-basin. &nbsp;This works well. &nbsp;Now, if the user wants
to use only a selected number of the sub-basins it appears to me that BASINS4
is unable to create a stream network that is connected at all junctions.
&nbsp;</font>
<br><font size=2 
face="sans-serif">______________________________________________________________
______</font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">The steps I have taken thus far:</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">A) Automatic delineation at a specified
number of pour points (input = DEM, pour_points.shp, and burn-in with non-NED
streams layer &quot;other_source_stream.shp&quot; that includes LEVEL field)
</font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">--&gt; creates files testnet.shp (streams),
testw.shp (all sub-basins) and testw_merged.shp(pour point sub-basins)</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">At this point I want to get a stream
network that has one stream per basin and attributes linking the sub-basins
in testw_merged.shp. &nbsp;I can certainly do this manually in GIS but
it seems to me that either the Automatic or Manual Delineations in BASINS4
should do it for me.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">B - Attempt 1) Try Manual Delineation
using (testw_merged.shp, DEM and &quot;other_source_stream.shp&quot;) </font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">&nbsp;--&gt; creates stream1.shp and
subbasin1.shp within a 'watershed' sub-folder. &nbsp;</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">The problem with stream1.shp is that
the streams are clipped at the edge of the sub-basin and they no longer
connect to the downstream stream segment. &nbsp;In addition to the streams
being clipped it also seems that the DSLINKNO, USLINKNO, etc. fields are
not populated from the Manual Delineation dialog. &nbsp;I also note that
the streams dataset created with the Automatic Delineation does not include
LEVEL so it does not run in the Manual Delineation dialogs.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">B - Attempt 2) Try Manual Delineation
using (testw.shp, DEM and &quot;other_source_stream.shp&quot;), using 
&quot;merge
sub-basins&quot; feature to merge sub-basins</font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">&nbsp;--&gt; creates stream2.shp and
subbasin2.shp within a 'watershed' sub-folder. &nbsp;</font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif"><br>
Stream2.shp has the same problems that stream1.shp did.</font>
<br><font size=2 
face="sans-serif">______________________________________________________________
______</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">I am using the 6/9/2008 build of 
BASINS4.</font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif"><br>
Any feedback folks can provide would be appreciated.</font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif"><br>
Regards,</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif"><br>
</font><font size=3 face="ScriptC">D</font><font size=3 face="ScriptS">erek
Stuart,</font><font size=3> P.E.</font><font size=2 color=#00008b 
face="Arial"><b><br>
northwest hydraulic consultants, inc.</b></font><font size=2><br>
16300 Christensen Road, Suite 350<br>
Seattle, WA 98188-3418<br>
DStuart@nhc-sea.com<br>
http://www.nhcweb.com<br>
Ph: 206 241-6000 Fx: 206 439-2420</font>
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Hello all.

    I am currently using PEST to aid in a calibration. After running PEST 
through the WinHSPF interface the objective function is being lowered to a 
number that is still in the hundreds of thousands. (My starting phi is 
2.42602E+06) I have tried running PEST manually and have tried increasing the 
number of log-transformed (vs. tied) parameters as well as increasing the 
initial Marquardt lambda and manipulating other values in the pest control 
file. I've also very thoroughly read through Section 5.5 of the PEST manual 
("If PEST Won't Optimise") but I am still getting a phi of 1.89242E+05 (or 
189,242) when PEST has completed its work. Does anyone have any suggestions as 
to why the objective function is not getting anywhere near zero? 

Your advice is much appreciated.

Lauren

      
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currently using PEST to aid in a calibration. After running PEST through the 
WinHSPF interface the objective function is being lowered to a number that is 
still in the hundreds of thousands. (My starting phi is 2.42602E+06) I have 
tried running PEST manually and have tried increasing the number of 
log-transformed (vs. tied) parameters as well as increasing the initial 
Marquardt lambda and manipulating other values in the pest control file. I've 
also very thoroughly read through Section 5.5 of the PEST manual ("If PEST 
Won't Optimise") but I am still getting a phi of 1.89242E+05 (or 189,242) when 
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Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 16:27:50 -0400
From: "Matt Tonkin" <matt@sspa.com>
Subject: RE: PEST

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Hi Lauren:

 

The objective function that PEST can achieve depends on the number of
observations, the observation weights that you are using, the number of
parameters, the model set up that you are using, and a wide variety of other
factors. It is very, very likely that PEST will not come close to an
objective function of zero in your case, or for that matter in any
real-world modeling analysis. In your particular case, it might be most
effective to post-process the measured and observed data using some plots -
such as time series, scatter plots (simulated vs. observed), residual plots
(residual vs. observed) - to identify first if the calibration appears to be
improving the correspondence between the model outputs and the measurements.
Beyond that, I would recommend a good text book or reference on model
calibration and weighted least squares to provide some background on what
can be expected of the calibration process.

 

Good luck! Matt

 

Matt Tonkin
S.S. Papadopulos & Assoc., Inc.
email: matt@sspa.com

  _____  

From: Lauren Felker [mailto:emerson924@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2008 4:03 PM
To: Private list for BASINS users
Subject: [basinsinfo] PEST

 

Hello all.

    I am currently using PEST to aid in a calibration. After running PEST
through the WinHSPF interface the objective function is being lowered to a
number that is still in the hundreds of thousands. (My starting phi is
2.42602E+06) I have tried running PEST manually and have tried increasing
the number of log-transformed (vs. tied) parameters as well as increasing
the initial Marquardt lambda and manipulating other values in the pest
control file. I've also very thoroughly read through Section 5.5 of the PEST
manual ("If PEST Won't Optimise") but I am still getting a phi of
1.89242E+05 (or 189,242) when PEST has completed its work. Does anyone have
any suggestions as to why the objective function is not getting anywhere
near zero? 

Your advice is much appreciated.

Lauren

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observed),
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calibration
appears to be improving the correspondence between the model outputs and =
the
measurements. Beyond that, I would recommend a good text book or =
reference on
model calibration and weighted least squares to provide some background =
on what
can be expected of the calibration process.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I am currently using <st1:place =
w:st=3D"on">PEST</st1:place>
to aid in a calibration. After running <st1:place =
w:st=3D"on">PEST</st1:place>
through the WinHSPF interface the objective function is being lowered to =
a
number that is still in the hundreds of thousands. (My starting phi is
2.42602E+06) I have tried running <st1:place =
w:st=3D"on">PEST</st1:place>
manually and have tried increasing the number of log-transformed (vs. =
tied)
parameters as well as increasing the initial Marquardt lambda and =
manipulating
other values in the pest control file. I've also very thoroughly read =
through
Section 5.5 of the PEST manual (&quot;If PEST Won't Optimise&quot;) but =
I am
still getting a phi of 1.89242E+05 (or 189,242) when <st1:place =
w:st=3D"on">PEST</st1:place>
has completed its work. Does anyone have any suggestions as to why the
objective function is not getting anywhere near zero? <br>
<br>
Your advice is much appreciated.<br>
<br>
Lauren<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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From: jferrari@al.umces.edu
Subject: Re: PEST

My first guess is that your parameter ranges should be expanded to allow
PEST more room in finding objective function minima.

OR, your simulation is getting trapped in a local objective function
minima- try changing your initial parameter values or use the PDMS2 driver
to run PEST multiple times to obtain the global objective function minima.

Good luck!

Joe

> Hello all.
>
>     I am currently using PEST to aid in a calibration. After running PEST
> through the WinHSPF interface the objective function is being lowered
> to a number that is still in the hundreds of thousands. (My starting
> phi is 2.42602E+06) I have tried running PEST manually and have tried
> increasing the number of log-transformed (vs. tied) parameters as well
> as increasing the initial Marquardt lambda and manipulating other
> values in the pest control file. I've also very thoroughly read
> through Section 5.5 of the PEST manual ("If PEST Won't Optimise") but
> I am still getting a phi of 1.89242E+05 (or 189,242) when PEST has
> completed its work. Does anyone have any suggestions as to why the
> objective function is not getting anywhere near zero?
>
> Your advice is much appreciated.
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> Lauren
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X-Message-Number: 51
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Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 17:24:42 -0400
From: Biswarup Guha <bguha@hydroqual.com>
Subject: RE: Point Source File

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Hello all,

I think I got my answer to one of my questions. I created a wdm file with a=
ll the parameters and declared the file name in the *uci file as WDM3. Now =
when I click on the point sources, I get all the parameters which I added i=
n the wdm file. I have a few questions hereon:

1) In the wdm is the DSN specific for particlar parameter the way it is in =
the met.wdm? e.g Flow is in DSN 1, TSS in DSN 2 etc.?
2) The "Target Member" for FLOW for is IVOL | water and under the "In Use" =
column, it state 'Yes'. This is being specified automatically. However, for=
 the rest of the pollutants, the "In Use" column has 'No' and there's nothi=
ng under "Target Member". Should the Target Member be "IVOL" as well?

I would really appreciate a response.

Thanks,
Roop

________________________________
From: Biswarup Guha
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2008 12:23 PM
To: Private list for BASINS users
Subject: RE: [basinsinfo] Point Source File

Hi,

I've a quick question regarding creating the point sources file. The WinHSP=
F manual states that the loads should be in lbs/hr. However I am using a da=
ily interval and was wondering first of all if I can do that and if so shou=
ld I use lbs/day as the load unit. Also, in the manual an example is given =
for an ASCII load input. Can I use a wdm with the loads and flows?

Thanks,

Roop

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 I click on the point sources, I get all the parameters which I added in th=
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ce=3D"Arial" color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2">1) In the wdm is the&nbsp;DSN spe=
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 rest of the pollutants, the &quot;In Use&quot; column has 'No' and there's=
 nothing under &quot;Target Member&quot;. Should the Target Member be &quot=
;IVOL&quot; as well?
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=3D"2"><span class=3D"646121916-27062008">I've a quick question regarding c=
reating the point sources file. The WinHSPF manual states that the loads sh=
ould be in lbs/hr. However I am using a daily
 interval and was wondering first of all if I can do that and if so should =
I use lbs/day as the load unit. Also, in the manual an example is given for=
 an ASCII load input. Can I use a wdm with the loads and flows?</span></fon=
t></div>
<div dir=3D"ltr" align=3D"left"><font face=3D"Arial" color=3D"#0000ff" size=
=3D"2"><span class=3D"646121916-27062008"></span></font>&nbsp;</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr" align=3D"left"><font face=3D"Arial" color=3D"#0000ff" size=
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X-Message-Number: 52
X-lyris-Id: 171266
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 16:06:24 -0700
From: "Ashley Perkins" <ashleyanneperkins@gmail.com>
Subject: flow response and climate variables

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Hi BASINS users,

I am using WinHSPF to calibrate a 20 year record of streamflow in one small
watershed using data from one climate station. I have found a significant
reduction in the total volume of water coming from my watershed when I
remove climate variables from each of my modeled reaches (RCHRES) in the EXT
SOURCES block table, such that only PRECIPITATION and  EVAPORATION are
included. Removing the variables resulted in the best fit to my observed
flow. In the EXT SOURCES table I also have two land use types where I keep
all of the climate variables (precipitation, air temperature, dew point,
wind, solar and evaporation). Is it valid to remove climate variables when
modeling the flow from each RCHRES?

Thank you,
Ashley

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ge: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA">I am usin=
g WinHSPF to calibrate a 20 year record of streamflow in one small watershe=
d using data from one climate station. I have found a significant reduction=
 in the total volume of water coming from my watershed when I remove climat=
e variables from each of my modeled reaches (RCHRES) in the EXT SOURCES blo=
ck table, such that only PRECIPITATION and &nbsp;EVAPORATION are included. =
Removing the variables resulted in the best fit to my observed flow. In the=
 EXT SOURCES table I also have two land use types where I keep all of the c=
limate variables (precipitation, air temperature, dew point, wind, solar an=
d evaporation). Is it valid to remove climate variables when modeling the f=
low from each RCHRES? </span></div>

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X-Message-Number: 53
X-lyris-Id: 171275
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 09:34:58 -0400
From: Biswarup Guha <bguha@hydroqual.com>
Subject: RE: PEST

Hi all,

Has anybody come across the following error:

"Run-time error '457': This key is already associated with an element of th=
is collection."

I am getting this when I am trying to add the pollutants. When I close the =
error window, the HSPF window is also closing and a window with 'Parent pro=
cess exited' at the top pops up saying the following:
"access:DIRECT form:UNFORMATTED r/w:NO recl: 2048
17:20:43  File Status at at end of File Closing in M_ACTSCN
17:20:43    unit  99 file ERROR.FIL is open, access:SEQUENTIAL form:FORMATT=
ED r/w:YES recl:   80
17:20:44    unit 100 file C:\Basins\models\HSPF\bin\hspfmsg.wdm is open, ac=
cess:DIRECT form:UNFORMATTED r/w:NO recl: 2048
17:20:44  M_ACTSCN:exit            0
17:20:44  File Status at after activate, retcod:0 i:-2
MSG7   unit  99 file ERROR.FIL is open, access:SEQUENTIAL form:FORMATTED r/=
w:YES recl:   80
17:20:44    unit 100 file C:\Basins\models\HSPF\bin\hspfmsg.wdm is open, ac=
cess:DIRECT form:UNFORMATTED r/w:NO recl: 2048
17:20:44  Show"

Could someone help me debugging this? I'd really appreciate your help.

Thanks,
Roop.

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From: jferrari@al.umces.edu [mailto:jferrari@al.umces.edu]
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2008 4:37 PM
To: Private list for BASINS users
Subject: Re: [basinsinfo] PEST

My first guess is that your parameter ranges should be expanded to allow PE=
ST more room in finding objective function minima.

OR, your simulation is getting trapped in a local objective function
minima- try changing your initial parameter values or use the PDMS2 driver =
to run PEST multiple times to obtain the global objective function minima.

Good luck!

Joe

> Hello all.
>
>     I am currently using PEST to aid in a calibration. After running
> PEST through the WinHSPF interface the objective function is being
> lowered to a number that is still in the hundreds of thousands. (My
> starting phi is 2.42602E+06) I have tried running PEST manually and
> have tried increasing the number of log-transformed (vs. tied)
> parameters as well as increasing the initial Marquardt lambda and
> manipulating other values in the pest control file. I've also very
> thoroughly read through Section 5.5 of the PEST manual ("If PEST Won't
> Optimise") but I am still getting a phi of 1.89242E+05 (or 189,242)
> when PEST has completed its work. Does anyone have any suggestions as
> to why the objective function is not getting anywhere near zero?
>
> Your advice is much appreciated.
>
> Lauren
>
>
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X-lyris-Id: 171279
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 11:26:34 -0400
From: Wool.Tim@epamail.epa.gov
Subject: WASP Workshop, August 25-29, 2008, Atlanta, GA

=========================================================
Water Quality Analysis Simulation Program (WASP7.3) Workshop
                                              Atlanta, GA
                                       August 25-29, 2008
=========================================================

Workshop will cover the newest release of WASP version 7.3.

WASP7 is an enhanced Windows version of the USEPA Water Quality
Analysis Simulation Program (WASP). WASP7 has been developed to
aid modelers in the implementation of WASP.  WASP7 has features
including a pre-processor, a rapid data processor, and a graphical
post-processor that enable the modeler to run WASP more quickly
and easily and evaluate model results both numerically and graphically.

WASP7 is used routinely throughout the United States in the development
TMDLs and waste load allocations.  The model contains algorithms for
conducting: 1) Eutrophication/Conventional Pollutants,
2) Organic Chemicals/Simple Metals, 3) Mercury, 4) Temperature,
Fecal Coliforms, Conservative Pollutants.

WASP7 contains 1) a user-friendly Windows-based interface,
2) a pre-processor to assist modelers in the processing of data into
a format that can be used in WASP, 3) high-speed WASP eutrophication
and organic chemical model processors, and 4) a graphical post-processor
for the viewing of WASP results and comparison to observed field data.

How to Register
------------------------
If you are interested in attending one of these workshops please send
e-mail to Tim Wool (wool.tim@epa.gov).  There is no charge for the
workshop; attendees are responsible for their travel and lodging.
A list of local hotels will be e-mailed to you once you register.

Information for Atlanta WASP Course
------------------------------------------------------
The WASP Course will be held at the Atlanta Federal Center (EPA Region
4)
for information about hotels and travel arrangements visit their
webpage at: http://www.epa.gov/region4/about/visitors.html

==================================================
Tim Wool
Standards, Monitoring and TMDL Branch
US EPA Region 4
Atlanta, Georgia
404.562.9260
wool.tim@epa.gov
TMDL Tools:
www.epa.gov/athens/wwqtsc
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X-Message-Number: 55
X-lyris-Id: 171280
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 11:32:58 -0400
From: "Tom Jobes" <tjobes@sjrwmd.com>
Subject: RE: WASP Workshop, August 25-29, 2008, Atlanta, GA

Tim,

I thoroughly enjoyed the workshop last year!  I was wondering if the
documentation on the new sediment diagenesis module is now available.

Thanks,

Tom Jobes
St Johns River Water Management District
tjobes@sjrwmd.com
W: 386-329-4463
C: 386-937-6341

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Workshop will cover the newest release of WASP version 7.3.

WASP7 is an enhanced Windows version of the USEPA Water Quality
Analysis Simulation Program (WASP). WASP7 has been developed to
aid modelers in the implementation of WASP.  WASP7 has features
including a pre-processor, a rapid data processor, and a graphical
post-processor that enable the modeler to run WASP more quickly
and easily and evaluate model results both numerically and graphically.

WASP7 is used routinely throughout the United States in the development
TMDLs and waste load allocations.  The model contains algorithms for
conducting: 1) Eutrophication/Conventional Pollutants,
2) Organic Chemicals/Simple Metals, 3) Mercury, 4) Temperature,
Fecal Coliforms, Conservative Pollutants.

WASP7 contains 1) a user-friendly Windows-based interface,
2) a pre-processor to assist modelers in the processing of data into
a format that can be used in WASP, 3) high-speed WASP eutrophication
and organic chemical model processors, and 4) a graphical post-processor
for the viewing of WASP results and comparison to observed field data.

How to Register
------------------------
If you are interested in attending one of these workshops please send
e-mail to Tim Wool (wool.tim@epa.gov).  There is no charge for the
workshop; attendees are responsible for their travel and lodging.
A list of local hotels will be e-mailed to you once you register.

Information for Atlanta WASP Course
------------------------------------------------------
The WASP Course will be held at the Atlanta Federal Center (EPA Region
4)
for information about hotels and travel arrangements visit their
webpage at: http://www.epa.gov/region4/about/visitors.html

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Tim Wool
Standards, Monitoring and TMDL Branch
US EPA Region 4
Atlanta, Georgia
404.562.9260
wool.tim@epa.gov
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