Here are the messages between 20081101 and 20081130.

1. Re: DET error
2. SWAT output
3. Re: DET error
4. GenScn runtime error 28
5. Re: GenScn runtime error 28
6. RE: GenScn runtime error 28
7. PEST error
8. Re: DET error
9. RE: basinsinfo digest: November 07, 2008
10. RE: DET error
11. Re: DET error
12. Online Data for HSPF model
13. BOD in HSPF - mystery
14. RE: BOD in HSPF - mystery
15. MASS-LINK question
16. RE: MASS-LINK question
17. Local land use for HSPF
18. Use a different DEM
19. PSTEMP Soil Temperature
20. WinHSPFLt Error
21. Re: WinHSPFLt Error
22. RE: WinHSPFLt Error
23. RE: Use a different DEM
24. RE: Use a different DEM
25. RE: BOD in HSPF - mystery
26. Re: BOD in HSPF - mystery
27. RE: Use a different DEM
28. RE: BOD in HSPF - mystery
29. RE: Use a different DEM
30. RE: Use a different DEM
31. Available Data and Metadata
32. Re: Available Data and Metadata
33. RE: Available Data and Metadata
34. Filling in missing data in wdm
35. computed and observed met data
36. computed and observed met data

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Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 19:50:14 -0500
From: Tom Jobes <TJobes@sjrwmd.com>
Subject: Re: DET error

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X-lyris-Id: 175596
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 14:50:13 -0500
From: "Sam Channa" <schanna15@gmail.com>
Subject: SWAT output

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Dear BASINS user

I model sediment using SWAT model in BASINS 3.1, most of flowin and flowout
values in the rch table are equal 0 ( see the attached files), this means
there is no baseflow from groundwater.
Could anybody give me some insight in regard with that and anyway how to fix
it?

Thanks

Channa

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<div>Dear BASINS user</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>I model sediment using&nbsp;SWAT model in BASINS 3.1, most of flowin and 
flowout values in the rch table are equal 0 ( see the attached files), this 
means there is no baseflow from groundwater. <br>Could anybody give me some 
insight in regard with that and anyway how to fix it?<br>
&nbsp;<br>Thanks <br>&nbsp;<br>Channa</div>

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X-Message-Number: 3
X-lyris-Id: 175614
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 21:52:44 -0400
From: "Jon Butcher" <jo3n@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: DET error

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I think RCHRES 1 has an FTable in which two successive lines have the =
same or nearly the same (V1=3DV2); thus the solver can't interpolate =
into the FTable to find the outflow demand.  Check the FTable; the =
volumes should increase unimodally. - Jon Butcher, Tetra Tech
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Sarah Praskievicz=20
  To: Private list for BASINS users=20
  Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 9:12 PM
  Subject: [basinsinfo] DET error


  Hello everyone,

  Thank you very much to Tom for helping me solve my WDM problem.  I =
shortened the file path and now the WDMs are reading fine.

  Now I have a new problem.  I have subbasin and drainage line layers =
created from a watershed delineation in ArcHydro that I would like to =
use for my basin boundaries and stream reaches in HSPF.  I edited the =
drainage line attribute table so that it has fields for Length, LINKNO, =
and DSLINKNO.  Is there something else I need to do to make this layer =
ready to use as a source of reaches in HSPF?  I ask because, when I =
attempt to run HSPF using this layer, the following error message =
appears:

  *  ERROR/WARNING ID:   341   1                                         =
            *
   *                                                                     =
             *
   *  DATE/TIME: 1972/ 1/ 7  1: 0                                        =
             *
   *                                                                     =
             *
   *  RCHRES:     1                                                      =
             *
   *                                                                     =
             *
   *  The determinant DET, used to solve the simultaneous linear =
equations in         *
   *  subroutine SOLVE, is zero.  It will be reset to 0.001 and program =
will          *
   *  attempt to continue execution, unless the maximum count for this =
error          *
   *  has been reached.  Relevant data are:                              =
             *
   *                                                                     =
             *
   *          V1         V2       ROD1       ROD2                        =
             *
   *  4.2676E+08 4.2676E+08 3.6419E+05 3.6419E+05                        =
             *

  I don't know where this DET determinant is or how to edit it.  Can =
anyone help?

  Thanks in advance, and Happy Halloween!

  Thanks,
  Sarah Praskievicz
  Portland State University=20
  Department of Geography
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  <DIV>Hello everyone,</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>Thank you very much to Tom for helping me solve my WDM =
problem.&nbsp; I=20
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  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>Now I have a new problem.&nbsp; I have&nbsp;subbasin =
and&nbsp;drainage=20
  line&nbsp;layers created from a watershed delineation in ArcHydro that =
I would=20
  like to use for my basin boundaries and stream reaches in HSPF.&nbsp; =
I edited=20
  the drainage line attribute table so that it has fields for Length, =
LINKNO,=20
  and DSLINKNO.&nbsp; Is there something else I need to do to make this =
layer=20
  ready to use as a source of reaches in HSPF?&nbsp; I ask because, when =
I=20
  attempt to run HSPF using this layer, the following error message=20
  appears:</DIV>
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  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>Thanks in advance, and Happy Halloween!</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>Thanks,</DIV>
  <DIV>Sarah Praskievicz</DIV>
  <DIV>Portland State University </DIV>
  <DIV>Department of =
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X-lyris-Id: 175621
Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 13:01:53 -0500
From: Kavya P Kasturi <kpk129@email.unc.edu>
Subject: GenScn runtime error 28

Hi,

I have been using Basins/HSPF/GenScn for a few months without any major 
problems. Yesterday I tried to view my output in GenScn and I got the 
following error: "Run-time error '28': Out of stack space". I tried 
uninstalling and reinstalling the entire Basins suite a few times but 
this did not fix the problem. I have also tried downloading and using 
the version of GenScn available on the USGS website and I can open 
GenScn; however, when trying to select a location at which to view 
output, the program crashes. I am running Vista Business. Does anyone 
have any idea what could be causing the problem with GenScn?

Thank you.

Kavya P Kasturi
kpk129@email.unc.edu


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X-Message-Number: 5
X-lyris-Id: 175626
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 17:51:17 -0800 (PST)
From: Mansoor A Baloch <maahbaloch@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: GenScn runtime error 28

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Hi Kayva

I am also using Vista Business and have been unable to run GenScn on my 
computer. I am getting the same message. I tried installing different versions 
of BASINS but it just does not work. I dont know whether its just a 
compatibility issue with Vista or something else. I gave up and not using 
BASINS on my laptop anymore. I hope somebody has a solution to this problem.

Thanks

Mansoor Baloch

--- On Tue, 11/4/08, Kavya P Kasturi <kpk129@email.unc.edu> wrote:
From: Kavya P Kasturi <kpk129@email.unc.edu>
Subject: [basinsinfo] GenScn runtime error 28
To: "Private list for BASINS users" <basinsinfo@lists.epa.gov>
Date: Tuesday, November 4, 2008, 8:01 PM

Hi,

I have been using Basins/HSPF/GenScn for a few months without any major
problems. Yesterday I tried to view my output in GenScn and I got the following
error: "Run-time error '28': Out of stack space". I tried
uninstalling and reinstalling the entire Basins suite a few times but this did
not fix the problem. I have also tried downloading and using the version of
GenScn available on the USGS website and I can open GenScn; however, when trying
to select a location at which to view output, the program crashes. I am running
Vista Business. Does anyone have any idea what could be causing the problem with
GenScn?

Thank you.

Kavya P Kasturi
kpk129@email.unc.edu

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style="font: inherit;">Hi Kayva<br><br>I am also using Vista Business and have 
been unable to run GenScn on my computer. I am getting the same message. I 
tried installing different versions of BASINS but it just does not work. I dont 
know whether its just a compatibility issue with Vista or something else. I 
gave up and not using BASINS on my laptop anymore. I hope somebody has a 
solution to this problem.<br><br>Thanks<br><br>Mansoor Baloch<br><br>--- On 
<b>Tue, 11/4/08, Kavya P Kasturi <i>&lt;kpk129@email.unc.edu&gt;</i></b> 
wrote:<br><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); 
margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;">From: Kavya P Kasturi 
&lt;kpk129@email.unc.edu&gt;<br>Subject: [basinsinfo] GenScn runtime error 
28<br>To: "Private list for BASINS users" 
&lt;basinsinfo@lists.epa.gov&gt;<br>Date: Tuesday, November 4, 2008, 8:01 
PM<br><br><pre>Hi,<br><br>I have been using
 Basins/HSPF/GenScn for a few months without any major<br>problems. Yesterday I 
tried to view my output in GenScn and I got the following<br>error: "Run-time 
error '28': Out of stack space". I tried<br>uninstalling and reinstalling the 
entire Basins suite a few times but this did<br>not fix the problem. I have 
also tried downloading and using the version of<br>GenScn available on the USGS 
website and I can open GenScn; however, when trying<br>to select a location at 
which to view output, the program crashes. I am running<br>Vista Business. Does 
anyone have any idea what could be causing the problem 
with<br>GenScn?<br><br>Thank you.<br><br>Kavya P 
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I'm using Windows XP 64 bit edition and I couldN't use BASINS program on it.
But I researched some alternatives.

Microsoft Virtual PC 2007 program may be useful to prevent these type
errors. I installed Windows xp 32 bit edition with using virtual PC program
and also installed BASINS.

Program appearing working fine and also GenSCN is working.

 

May be you should try this. Regards

 

 

Dr. Serdar GONCU

 

Anadolu University TURKEY

 

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Hello all. 

I am attempting to run PEST and am getting the following error:

Model command line:
batch 432 260 model.bat

Running model .....'batch' is not recognized as an internal or external command
operable program or batch file.

******************************************************************************
Error condition prevents continued PEST execution:-

Cannot open model output file model.out.
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Does anyone know what is causing this error? Running model.bat alone does not 
result in any errors, and the file model.out appears to be fine. Also, PEST 
runs just fine when I run it from HSPF, so I don't understand. 

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PEST and am getting the following error:<br><br>Model command line:<br>batch 
432 260 model.bat<br><br>Running model .....'batch' is not recognized as an 
internal or external command<br>operable program or batch 
file.<br><br>*******************************************************************
***********<br>Error condition prevents continued PEST 
execution:-<br><br>Cannot open model output file 
model.out.<br>******************************************************************
************<br><br>Does anyone know what is causing this error? Running 
model.bat alone does not result in any errors, and the file model.out appears 
to be fine. Also, PEST runs just fine when I run it from HSPF, so I don't 
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Hello everyone,

Thanks to Tom and Jon for your responses.  I think you're right about the
problem being with my FTables, because they've been giving me trouble all
along.  I really don't understand what the values in these tables should
be.  It seems that no matter what values I enter, I can't hit that magic
combination that allows HSPF to run without a 341 error.  Here is an example
of one of my FTables:

Depth (ft)  Area (acres)  Volume (acre-ft)  Outflow1 (ft3/s)
0             44.55              0                             0
0.2           45               9.08                          29.68
2.03          49.08           94.9                     1369.53
2.53           50.22        120.07                     1985.32
3.17           151.22        214.96                    2560.87
3.8            154.05         311.66                    4691.82
65.25          429.12          18229.42            2006827
126.7          704.18          53049.55           8484344

Do these values leap out as obviously wrong to anyone?  What values can I
try that might work?  Alternatively, could someone send me an example of a
functional FTable so I can better understand what kind of values are valid?

Thank you for help.  I really hope I can resolve this FTable problem so that
I can run HSPF error-free and get on with my project!

Thanks,
Sarah Praskievicz
Portland State University
Department of Geography
On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 5:52 PM, Jon Butcher <jo3n@email.msn.com> wrote:

>  I think RCHRES 1 has an FTable in which two successive lines have the
> same or nearly the same (V1=V2); thus the solver can't interpolate into the
> FTable to find the outflow demand.  Check the FTable; the volumes should
> increase unimodally. - Jon Butcher, Tetra Tech
>

Sarah,
This error is not (directly) a problem with the way you edited attribute
fields in ArcHydro.  It appears that your FTABLE is malformed, however.  Do
you have consecutive rows with the same volume and discharge values?
If so, I don't know the details of how such an FTABLE might result from your
ArcHydro coverage, but I don't believe the linkage attributes would be
involved.
Hope this helps,
Tom Jobes
SJRWMD
Tom Jobes
St. Johns River Water Management District
Office:386-329-4463
Cell:386-937-6341

>   ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Sarah Praskievicz <spraskie@gmail.com>
>  *To:* Private list for BASINS users <basinsinfo@lists.epa.gov>
>   *Sent:* Friday, October 31, 2008 9:12 PM
> *Subject:* [basinsinfo] DET error
>
> Hello everyone,
>
> Thank you very much to Tom for helping me solve my WDM problem.  I
> shortened the file path and now the WDMs are reading fine.
>
> Now I have a new problem.  I have subbasin and drainage line layers created
> from a watershed delineation in ArcHydro that I would like to use for my
> basin boundaries and stream reaches in HSPF.  I edited the drainage line
> attribute table so that it has fields for Length, LINKNO, and DSLINKNO.  Is
> there something else I need to do to make this layer ready to use as a
> source of reaches in HSPF?  I ask because, when I attempt to run HSPF using
> this layer, the following error message appears:
>
> *  ERROR/WARNING ID:   341
> 1                                                     *
>  *
> *
>  *  DATE/TIME: 1972/ 1/ 7  1:
> 0                                                     *
>  *
> *
>  *  RCHRES:
> 1                                                                   *
>  *
> *
>  *  The determinant DET, used to solve the simultaneous linear equations
> in         *
>  *  subroutine SOLVE, is zero.  It will be reset to 0.001 and program
> will          *
>  *  attempt to continue execution, unless the maximum count for this
> error          *
>  *  has been reached.  Relevant data
> are:                                           *
>  *
> *
>  *          V1         V2       ROD1
> ROD2                                     *
>  *  4.2676E+08 4.2676E+08 3.6419E+05
> 3.6419E+05                                     *
>
> I don't know where this DET determinant is or how to edit it.  Can anyone
> help?
>
> Thanks in advance, and Happy Halloween!
>
> Thanks,
> Sarah Praskievicz
> Portland State University
> Department of Geography
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<div>Hello everyone,</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Thanks to Tom and Jon for your responses.&nbsp; I think you&#39;re rig=
ht about the problem being with my FTables, because they&#39;ve been giving=
 me trouble all along.&nbsp; I really don&#39;t understand what the values =
in these tables should be.&nbsp; It seems that no matter what values I ente=
r, I can&#39;t hit that magic combination that allows HSPF to run without a=
 341 error.&nbsp; Here is an example of one of my FTables:</div>

<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Depth (ft) &nbsp;Area (acres) &nbsp;Volume (acre-ft) &nbsp;Outflow1 (f=
t3/s) <br>0&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp; 44.55&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 0&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 0<br>0.2&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 45&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 9.08&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 29.68<br>2.03&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 49.08&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 94.9&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp; 1369.53<br>
2.53&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 50.22&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;120.07&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1985.32<br>3.17&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 151.22&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 214.9=
6&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 2560.87<br>3.8&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 154.05&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 311.66&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 46=
91.82<br>65.25&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 429.12=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 18229.42&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 2006827<br>
126.7&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 704.18&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;53049.55&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 8484344<br><br>Do these values leap=
 out as obviously wrong to anyone?&nbsp; What values can I try that&nbsp;mi=
ght work?&nbsp; Alternatively, could someone send me an example of a functi=
onal FTable so I can better understand what kind of values are valid?</div>

<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Thank you for help.&nbsp; I really hope I can resolve this FTable prob=
lem so that I can run HSPF error-free and get on with my project!</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Thanks,</div>
<div>Sarah Praskievicz</div>
<div>Portland State University</div>
<div>Department of Geography<br></div>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 5:52 PM, Jon Butcher <sp=
an dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jo3n@email.msn.com">jo3n@email.msn.com=
</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0=
px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">
<div bgcolor=3D"#ffffff">
<div><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2">I think RCHRES 1 has an FTable in whic=
h two successive lines have the same or nearly the same (V1=3DV2); thus the=
 solver can&#39;t interpolate into the FTable to find the outflow demand.&n=
bsp; Check the FTable; the volumes should increase unimodally. - Jon Butche=
r, Tetra Tech</font></div>
</div></blockquote>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Sarah,</div>
<div>This error is not (directly) a problem with the way you edited attribu=
te fields in ArcHydro.&nbsp; It appears that your FTABLE is malformed, howe=
ver.&nbsp; Do you have consecutive rows with the same volume and discharge =
values?</div>

<div>If so, I don&#39;t know the details of how such an FTABLE might result=
 from your ArcHydro coverage, but I don&#39;t believe the linkage attribute=
s would be involved.</div>
<div>Hope this helps,<br>Tom Jobes<br>SJRWMD</div>
<div>Tom Jobes<br>St. Johns River Water Management District<br>Office:386-3=
29-4463<br>Cell:386-937-6341</div>
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<div>Hello everyone,</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Thank you very much to Tom for helping me solve my WDM problem.&nbsp; =
I shortened the file path and now the WDMs are reading fine.</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Now I have a new problem.&nbsp; I have&nbsp;subbasin and&nbsp;drainage=
 line&nbsp;layers created from a watershed delineation in ArcHydro that I w=
ould like to use for my basin boundaries and stream reaches in HSPF.&nbsp; =
I edited the drainage line attribute table so that it has fields for Length=
, LINKNO, and DSLINKNO.&nbsp; Is there something else I need to do to make =
this layer ready to use as a source of reaches in HSPF?&nbsp; I ask because=
, when I attempt to run HSPF using this layer, the following error message =
appears:</div>

<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>*&nbsp; ERROR/WARNING ID:&nbsp;&nbsp; 341&nbsp;&nbsp; 1&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; *<=
br>&nbsp;*&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; *<br>&nbsp;*&nbsp; DATE/TIME=
: 1972/ 1/ 7&nbsp; 1: 0&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; *<br>
&nbsp;*&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; *<br>&nbsp;*&nbsp; RCHRES:&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; *<br>&nbsp;*&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; *<br>
&nbsp;*&nbsp; The determinant DET, used to solve the simultaneous linear eq=
uations in&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; *<br>&nbsp;*&nbs=
p; subroutine SOLVE, is zero.&nbsp; It will be reset to 0.001 and program w=
ill&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; *<br>&nbsp;*&nbsp=
; attempt to continue execution, unless the maximum count for this error&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; *<br>
&nbsp;*&nbsp; has been reached.&nbsp; Relevant data are:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp; *<br>&nbsp;*&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; *<br>&nbsp;*&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; V1&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; V2&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; ROD1&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; ROD2&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; *<br>
&nbsp;*&nbsp; 4.2676E+08 4.2676E+08 3.6419E+05 3.6419E+05&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; *</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>I don&#39;t know where this DET determinant is or how to edit it.&nbsp=
; Can anyone help?</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Thanks in advance, and Happy Halloween!</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Thanks,</div>
<div>Sarah Praskievicz</div>
<div>Portland State University </div>
<div>Department of Geography</div><pre>------------------------------------=
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1. PEST error
2. Re: DET error

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Subject: PEST error
From: Lauren Felker <emerson924@yahoo.com>
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 07:55:14 -0800 (PST)
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Hello all.=20

I am attempting to run PEST and am getting the following error:

Model command line:
batch 432 260 model.bat

Running model .....'batch' is not recognized as an internal or external
command
operable program or batch file.

************************************************************************
******
Error condition prevents continued PEST execution:-

Cannot open model output file model.out.
************************************************************************
******

Does anyone know what is causing this error? Running model.bat alone
does not result in any errors, and the file model.out appears to be
fine. Also, PEST runs just fine when I run it from HSPF, so I don't
understand.=20

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Subject: Re: DET error
From: "Sarah Praskievicz" <spraskie@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 14:18:47 -0800
X-Message-Number: 2

Hello everyone,

Thanks to Tom and Jon for your responses.  I think you're right about
the
problem being with my FTables, because they've been giving me trouble
all
along.  I really don't understand what the values in these tables should
be.  It seems that no matter what values I enter, I can't hit that magic
combination that allows HSPF to run without a 341 error.  Here is an
example
of one of my FTables:

Depth (ft)  Area (acres)  Volume (acre-ft)  Outflow1 (ft3/s)
0             44.55              0                             0
0.2           45               9.08                          29.68
2.03          49.08           94.9                     1369.53
2.53           50.22        120.07                     1985.32
3.17           151.22        214.96                    2560.87
3.8            154.05         311.66                    4691.82
65.25          429.12          18229.42            2006827
126.7          704.18          53049.55           8484344

Do these values leap out as obviously wrong to anyone?  What values can
I
try that might work?  Alternatively, could someone send me an example of
a
functional FTable so I can better understand what kind of values are
valid?

Thank you for help.  I really hope I can resolve this FTable problem so
that
I can run HSPF error-free and get on with my project!

Thanks,
Sarah Praskievicz
Portland State University
Department of Geography
On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 5:52 PM, Jon Butcher <jo3n@email.msn.com> wrote:

>  I think RCHRES 1 has an FTable in which two successive lines have the
> same or nearly the same (V1=3DV2); thus the solver can't interpolate
into the
> FTable to find the outflow demand.  Check the FTable; the volumes
should
> increase unimodally. - Jon Butcher, Tetra Tech
>

Sarah,
This error is not (directly) a problem with the way you edited attribute
fields in ArcHydro.  It appears that your FTABLE is malformed, however.
Do
you have consecutive rows with the same volume and discharge values?
If so, I don't know the details of how such an FTABLE might result from
your
ArcHydro coverage, but I don't believe the linkage attributes would be
involved.
Hope this helps,
Tom Jobes
SJRWMD
Tom Jobes
St. Johns River Water Management District
Office:386-329-4463
Cell:386-937-6341

>   ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Sarah Praskievicz <spraskie@gmail.com>
>  *To:* Private list for BASINS users <basinsinfo@lists.epa.gov>
>   *Sent:* Friday, October 31, 2008 9:12 PM
> *Subject:* [basinsinfo] DET error
>
> Hello everyone,
>
> Thank you very much to Tom for helping me solve my WDM problem.  I
> shortened the file path and now the WDMs are reading fine.
>
> Now I have a new problem.  I have subbasin and drainage line layers
created
> from a watershed delineation in ArcHydro that I would like to use for
my
> basin boundaries and stream reaches in HSPF.  I edited the drainage
line
> attribute table so that it has fields for Length, LINKNO, and
DSLINKNO.  Is
> there something else I need to do to make this layer ready to use as a
> source of reaches in HSPF?  I ask because, when I attempt to run HSPF
using
> this layer, the following error message appears:
>
> *  ERROR/WARNING ID:   341
> 1                                                     *
>  *
> *
>  *  DATE/TIME: 1972/ 1/ 7  1:
> 0                                                     *
>  *
> *
>  *  RCHRES:
> 1                                                                   *
>  *
> *
>  *  The determinant DET, used to solve the simultaneous linear
equations
> in         *
>  *  subroutine SOLVE, is zero.  It will be reset to 0.001 and program
> will          *
>  *  attempt to continue execution, unless the maximum count for this
> error          *
>  *  has been reached.  Relevant data
> are:                                           *
>  *
> *
>  *          V1         V2       ROD1
> ROD2                                     *
>  *  4.2676E+08 4.2676E+08 3.6419E+05
> 3.6419E+05                                     *
>
> I don't know where this DET determinant is or how to edit it.  Can
anyone
> help?
>
> Thanks in advance, and Happy Halloween!
>
> Thanks,
> Sarah Praskievicz
> Portland State University
> Department of Geography
>
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Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 08:41:06 -0500
From: Tom Jobes <TJobes@sjrwmd.com>
Subject: RE: DET error

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Sarah,

The thing that  jumps out at me is the large jump in discharge between the =
second and third rows.  Try inserting some intermediate rows.  I would firs=
t plot the depth-volume and depth-discharge curves to see if a quadratic or=
 other non-linear interpolation would be a better fit than drawing straight=
 lines.  E.g. if you put in a line for depth=3D1.6 approx midway between th=
em, you  might find that a discharge of somewhat less than halfway to 1370 =
looks like a better fit to the curve.  I would probably also omit the last =
two lines from the analysis, as the curves can be different for channel vs =
overbank.

Tom Jobes
St Johns River Water Management District
tjobes@sjrwmd.com
W: 386-329-4463
C: 386-937-6341

From: Sarah Praskievicz [mailto:spraskie@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 5:19 PM
To: Private list for BASINS users
Subject: Re: [basinsinfo] DET error

Hello everyone,

Thanks to Tom and Jon for your responses.  I think you're right about the p=
roblem being with my FTables, because they've been giving me trouble all al=
ong.  I really don't understand what the values in these tables should be. =
 It seems that no matter what values I enter, I can't hit that magic combin=
ation that allows HSPF to run without a 341 error.  Here is an example of o=
ne of my FTables:

Depth (ft)  Area (acres)  Volume (acre-ft)  Outflow1 (ft3/s)
0             44.55              0                             0
0.2           45               9.08                          29.68
2.03          49.08           94.9                     1369.53
2.53           50.22        120.07                     1985.32
3.17           151.22        214.96                    2560.87
3.8            154.05         311.66                    4691.82
65.25          429.12          18229.42            2006827
126.7          704.18          53049.55           8484344

Do these values leap out as obviously wrong to anyone?  What values can I t=
ry that might work?  Alternatively, could someone send me an example of a f=
unctional FTable so I can better understand what kind of values are valid?

Thank you for help.  I really hope I can resolve this FTable problem so tha=
t I can run HSPF error-free and get on with my project!

Thanks,
Sarah Praskievicz
Portland State University
Department of Geography
On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 5:52 PM, Jon Butcher <jo3n@email.msn.com<mailto:jo3=
n@email.msn.com>> wrote:
I think RCHRES 1 has an FTable in which two successive lines have the same =
or nearly the same (V1=3DV2); thus the solver can't interpolate into the FT=
able to find the outflow demand.  Check the FTable; the volumes should incr=
ease unimodally. - Jon Butcher, Tetra Tech

Sarah,
This error is not (directly) a problem with the way you edited attribute fi=
elds in ArcHydro.  It appears that your FTABLE is malformed, however.  Do y=
ou have consecutive rows with the same volume and discharge values?
If so, I don't know the details of how such an FTABLE might result from you=
r ArcHydro coverage, but I don't believe the linkage attributes would be in=
volved.
Hope this helps,
Tom Jobes
SJRWMD
Tom Jobes
St. Johns River Water Management District
Office:386-329-4463
Cell:386-937-6341
----- Original Message -----
From: Sarah Praskievicz<mailto:spraskie@gmail.com>
To: Private list for BASINS users<mailto:basinsinfo@lists.epa.gov>
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 9:12 PM
Subject: [basinsinfo] DET error

Hello everyone,

Thank you very much to Tom for helping me solve my WDM problem.  I shortene=
d the file path and now the WDMs are reading fine.

Now I have a new problem.  I have subbasin and drainage line layers created=
 from a watershed delineation in ArcHydro that I would like to use for my b=
asin boundaries and stream reaches in HSPF.  I edited the drainage line att=
ribute table so that it has fields for Length, LINKNO, and DSLINKNO.  Is th=
ere something else I need to do to make this layer ready to use as a source=
 of reaches in HSPF?  I ask because, when I attempt to run HSPF using this =
layer, the following error message appears:

*  ERROR/WARNING ID:   341   1                                             =
        *
 *                                                                         =
         *
 *  DATE/TIME: 1972/ 1/ 7  1: 0                                            =
         *
 *                                                                         =
         *
 *  RCHRES:     1                                                          =
         *
 *                                                                         =
         *
 *  The determinant DET, used to solve the simultaneous linear equations in=
         *
 *  subroutine SOLVE, is zero.  It will be reset to 0.001 and program will =
         *
 *  attempt to continue execution, unless the maximum count for this error =
         *
 *  has been reached.  Relevant data are:                                  =
         *
 *                                                                         =
         *
 *          V1         V2       ROD1       ROD2                            =
         *
 *  4.2676E+08 4.2676E+08 3.6419E+05 3.6419E+05                            =
         *

I don't know where this DET determinant is or how to edit it.  Can anyone h=
elp?

Thanks in advance, and Happy Halloween!

Thanks,
Sarah Praskievicz
Portland State University
Department of Geography

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",=
"sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Sarah,<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",=
"sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",=
"sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>The thing that&nbsp; jumps out at me is the large jump in
discharge between the second and third rows.&nbsp; Try inserting some
intermediate rows.&nbsp; I would first plot the depth-volume and depth-disc=
harge
curves to see if a quadratic or other non-linear interpolation would be a
better fit than drawing straight lines.&nbsp; E.g. if you put in a line for=
 depth=3D1.6
approx midway between them, you&nbsp; might find that a discharge of somewh=
at
less than halfway to 1370 looks like a better fit to the curve.&nbsp; I wou=
ld
probably also omit the last two lines from the analysis, as the curves can =
be
different for channel vs overbank.<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",=
"sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:#24=
4236'>Tom
Jobes<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:#24=
4236'>St
Johns River Water Management District<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:#24=
4236'>tjobes@sjrwmd.com<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:#24=
4236'>W:
386-329-4463<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:#24=
4236'>C:
386-937-6341<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",=
"sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma=
","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Sarah Praskie=
vicz
[mailto:spraskie@gmail.com] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, November 07, 2008 5:19 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Private list for BASINS users<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [basinsinfo] DET error<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal>Hello everyone,<o:p></o:p></p>

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<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>

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<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal>Thanks to Tom and Jon for your responses.&nbsp; I thin=
k
you're right about the problem being with my FTables, because they've been
giving me trouble all along.&nbsp; I really don't understand what the value=
s in
these tables should be.&nbsp; It seems that no matter what values I enter, =
I
can't hit that magic combination that allows HSPF to run without a 341
error.&nbsp; Here is an example of one of my FTables:<o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal>Depth (ft) &nbsp;Area (acres) &nbsp;Volume (acre-ft)
&nbsp;Outflow1 (ft3/s) <br>
0&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
44.55&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;
0&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
0<br>
0.2&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
45&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;
9.08&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;
29.68<br>
2.03&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
49.08&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
94.9&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
1369.53<br>
2.53&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
50.22&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;120.07&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
1985.32<br>
3.17&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
151.22&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
214.96&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
2560.87<br>
3.8&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
154.05&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
311.66&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
4691.82<br>
65.25&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
429.12&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
18229.42&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
2006827<br>
126.7&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
704.18&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
&nbsp;53049.55&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
8484344<br>
<br>
Do these values leap out as obviously wrong to anyone?&nbsp; What values ca=
n I
try that&nbsp;might work?&nbsp; Alternatively, could someone send me an exa=
mple
of a functional FTable so I can better understand what kind of values are
valid?<o:p></o:p></p>

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<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal>Thank you for help.&nbsp; I really hope I can resolve =
this
FTable problem so that I can run HSPF error-free and get on with my project=
!<o:p></o:p></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal>Sarah Praskievicz<o:p></o:p></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal>Portland State University<o:p></o:p></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal>Department of Geography<o:p></o:p></p>

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<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal>On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 5:52 PM, Jon Butcher &lt;<a
href=3D"mailto:jo3n@email.msn.com">jo3n@email.msn.com</a>&gt; wrote:<o:p></=
o:p></p>

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<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","s=
ans-serif"'>I
think RCHRES 1 has an FTable in which two successive lines have the same or
nearly the same (V1=3DV2); thus the solver can't interpolate into the FTabl=
e to
find the outflow demand.&nbsp; Check the FTable; the volumes should increas=
e
unimodally. - Jon Butcher, Tetra Tech</span><o:p></o:p></p>

</div>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal>Sarah,<o:p></o:p></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal>This error is not (directly) a problem with the way yo=
u
edited attribute fields in ArcHydro.&nbsp; It appears that your FTABLE is
malformed, however.&nbsp; Do you have consecutive rows with the same volume=
 and
discharge values?<o:p></o:p></p>

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<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal>If so, I don't know the details of how such an FTABLE =
might
result from your ArcHydro coverage, but I don't believe the linkage attribu=
tes
would be involved.<o:p></o:p></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal>Hope this helps,<br>
Tom Jobes<br>
SJRWMD<o:p></o:p></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal>Tom Jobes<br>
St. Johns River Water Management District<br>
Office:386-329-4463<br>
Cell:386-937-6341<o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","s=
ans-serif"'>-----
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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'background:#E4E4E4'><b><span style=3D'font-si=
ze:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style=3D'font-size:=
10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <a href=3D"mailto:spraskie@gmail.com"
target=3D"_blank" title=3D"spraskie@gmail.com">Sarah Praskievicz</a> <o:p><=
/o:p></span></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial"=
,"sans-serif"'>To:</span></b><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <a
href=3D"mailto:basinsinfo@lists.epa.gov" target=3D"_blank"
title=3D"basinsinfo@lists.epa.gov">Private list for BASINS users</a> <o:p><=
/o:p></span></p>

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<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial"=
,"sans-serif"'>Sent:</span></b><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> Friday, Octobe=
r 31,
2008 9:12 PM<o:p></o:p></span></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial"=
,"sans-serif"'>Subject:</span></b><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> [basinsinfo] D=
ET
error<o:p></o:p></span></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal>Hello everyone,<o:p></o:p></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal>Thank you very much to Tom for helping me solve my WDM
problem.&nbsp; I shortened the file path and now the WDMs are reading fine.=
<o:p></o:p></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal>Now I have a new problem.&nbsp; I have&nbsp;subbasin
and&nbsp;drainage line&nbsp;layers created from a watershed delineation in
ArcHydro that I would like to use for my basin boundaries and stream reache=
s in
HSPF.&nbsp; I edited the drainage line attribute table so that it has field=
s
for Length, LINKNO, and DSLINKNO.&nbsp; Is there something else I need to d=
o to
make this layer ready to use as a source of reaches in HSPF?&nbsp; I ask
because, when I attempt to run HSPF using this layer, the following error
message appears:<o:p></o:p></p>

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<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal>*&nbsp; ERROR/WARNING ID:&nbsp;&nbsp; 341&nbsp;&nbsp;
1&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;
*<br>
&nbsp;*&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
*<br>
&nbsp;*&nbsp; DATE/TIME: 1972/ 1/ 7&nbsp; 1:
0&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;
*<br>
&nbsp;*&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
*<br>
&nbsp;*&nbsp; RCHRES:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
1&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
*<br>
&nbsp;*&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
*<br>
&nbsp;*&nbsp; The determinant DET, used to solve the simultaneous linear
equations in&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; *<br>
&nbsp;*&nbsp; subroutine SOLVE, is zero.&nbsp; It will be reset to 0.001 an=
d
program will&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; *<br>
&nbsp;*&nbsp; attempt to continue execution, unless the maximum count for t=
his
error&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; *<br>
&nbsp;*&nbsp; has been reached.&nbsp; Relevant data
are:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
*<br>
&nbsp;*&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
*<br>
&nbsp;*&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
V1&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
V2&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; ROD1&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;
ROD2&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
*<br>
&nbsp;*&nbsp; 4.2676E+08 4.2676E+08 3.6419E+05
3.6419E+05&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;
*<o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal>I don't know where this DET determinant is or how to e=
dit
it.&nbsp; Can anyone help?<o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>

</div>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal>Thanks in advance, and Happy Halloween!<o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal>Sarah Praskievicz<o:p></o:p></p>

</div>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal>Portland State University <o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal>Department of Geography<o:p></o:p></p>

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Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 13:16:02 -0500
From: Mohamoud.Yusuf@epamail.epa.gov
Subject: Re: DET error

Sarah,

Ftable headings do not usually have units. Delete the units and align
the columns to avoid formatting errors.


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Hello everyone,]

Thanks to Tom and Jon for your responses.  I think you're right about
the problem being with my FTables, because they've been giving me
trouble all along.  I really don't understand what the values in these
tables should be.  It seems that no matter what values I enter, I can't
hit that magic combination that allows HSPF to run without a 341 error.
Here is an example of one of my FTables:

Depth (ft)  Area (acres)  Volume (acre-ft)  Outflow1 (ft3/s)
0             44.55              0                             0
0.2           45               9.08                          29.68
2.03          49.08           94.9                     1369.53
2.53           50.22        120.07                     1985.32
3.17           151.22        214.96                    2560.87
3.8            154.05         311.66                    4691.82
65.25          429.12          18229.42            2006827
126.7          704.18          53049.55           8484344

Do these values leap out as obviously wrong to anyone?  What values can
I try that might work?  Alternatively, could someone send me an example
of a functional FTable so I can better understand what kind of values
are valid?

Thank you for help.  I really hope I can resolve this FTable problem so
that I can run HSPF error-free and get on with my project!

Thanks,
Sarah Praskievicz
Portland State University
Department of Geography
On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 5:52 PM, Jon Butcher <jo3n@email.msn.com> wrote:
  I think RCHRES 1 has an FTable in which two successive lines have the
  same or nearly the same (V1=V2); thus the solver can't interpolate
  into the FTable to find the outflow demand.  Check the FTable; the
  volumes should increase unimodally. - Jon Butcher, Tetra Tech

Sarah,
This error is not (directly) a problem with the way you edited attribute
fields in ArcHydro.  It appears that your FTABLE is malformed, however.
Do you have consecutive rows with the same volume and discharge values?
If so, I don't know the details of how such an FTABLE might result from
your ArcHydro coverage, but I don't believe the linkage attributes would
be involved.
Hope this helps,
Tom Jobes
SJRWMD
Tom Jobes
St. Johns River Water Management District
Office:386-329-4463
Cell:386-937-6341
  ----- Original Message -----
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  Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 9:12 PM
  Subject: [basinsinfo] DET error

  Hello everyone,

  Thank you very much to Tom for helping me solve my WDM problem.  I
  shortened the file path and now the WDMs are reading fine.

  Now I have a new problem.  I have subbasin and drainage line layers
  created from a watershed delineation in ArcHydro that I would like to
  use for my basin boundaries and stream reaches in HSPF.  I edited the
  drainage line attribute table so that it has fields for Length,
  LINKNO, and DSLINKNO.  Is there something else I need to do to make
  this layer ready to use as a source of reaches in HSPF?  I ask
  because, when I attempt to run HSPF using this layer, the following
  error message appears:

  *  ERROR/WARNING ID:   341   1
  *
   *
  *
   *  DATE/TIME: 1972/ 1/ 7  1: 0
  *
   *
  *
   *  RCHRES:     1
  *
   *
  *
   *  The determinant DET, used to solve the simultaneous linear
  equations in         *
   *  subroutine SOLVE, is zero.  It will be reset to 0.001 and program
  will          *
   *  attempt to continue execution, unless the maximum count for this
  error          *
   *  has been reached.  Relevant data are:
  *
   *
  *
   *          V1         V2       ROD1       ROD2
  *
   *  4.2676E+08 4.2676E+08 3.6419E+05 3.6419E+05
  *

  I don't know where this DET determinant is or how to edit it.  Can
  anyone help?

  Thanks in advance, and Happy Halloween!

  Thanks,
  Sarah Praskievicz,
  Portland State University
  Department of Geography
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Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 20:10:22 +0000
From: Ho Hung Chak <hungchakho@hotmail.com>
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Dear all,
 
As I am working on a flooding project, I try to use the HSPF model to estimate 
the predicted flooding area. I download the data from the Basins - download 
data, and try to use it in the HSPF. However, after I download several kinds of 
data, such as  NHDinGeo and etc, I still cannot find a suitable one to use it 
on the HPSF model. I want to know which the suitable online subbasin, stream 
and land use data will be.
 
Thx for reading my message.
 
Best wishes,
 
Derrick 
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As I am working on a flooding project, I try to use the HSPF model to estimate 
the predicted flooding area. I download the data from the Basins - download 
data, and try to use it in the HSPF. However, after I download several kinds of 
data, such as&nbsp; <FONT color=#3333cc>NHDinGeo </FONT><FONT color=#0c0c0c>and 
etc, I still cannot find a suitable one to use&nbsp;it&nbsp;on the 
HPSF&nbsp;model. I want to know&nbsp;which&nbsp;the suitable 
online&nbsp;subbasin, stream and land use data&nbsp;will be.</FONT><BR>
&nbsp;<BR>
<FONT color=#0c0c0c>Thx&nbsp;for&nbsp;reading my message.</FONT><BR>
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Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 11:39:03 -0500
From: Biswarup Guha <bguha@hydroqual.com>
Subject: BOD in HSPF - mystery

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Hi all,

I am having a problem with understanding how the BOD is simulated in HSPF. =
The equations listed in the manual seems to be straight forward but I am ha=
ving difficulty in understanding the results. It would be great if someone =
could share his/her thoughts.

Here's what I am doing:

I assumed that the BOD concentrations which I have to assign to the ground-=
water and interflow to be 10 mg/L (ultimate BOD). During dry period, the fl=
ow is primarily groundwater so I would think that the concentration (POTBOD=
) in the stream is close to 10 mg/L. However, HSPF is calculating values cl=
ose to 3.5 or so. I am using a decay rate (KBOD20=3D0.01 / hr) temperature =
correction coefficient of 1.047, BOD settling rate (KODSET =3D 0.04 ft/hr).=
  For the BOD simulation, the loss terms for BOD would be sinking, decay, b=
enthal oxygen demand. I printed out all the members of OXCF4 (1 - BOD decay=
, 2 - benthal release, 3 - sinking, 4 - denitrification, 5 - phytoplankton,=
 6 - zooplankton, 7 - benthal algae and 8 - total). Their units are lbs/hr.=
 I also printed the VOL and converted the mass to concentration which accou=
nted for approximately 2-3 mg/L. I do not understand where the remaining 4-=
5 mg/L of BOD is getting lost.

I tried a sensitivity decreasing the decay rate and settling rate to 1E-25.=
 It increased the POTBOD to 4-5, but still there's some BOD which is unacco=
unted for.

Am I missing something here? Could you please share your insights?

Thanks,
Roop.

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all,</font></span></div>
<div><span class=3D"317031716-13112008"><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"></f=
ont></span>&nbsp;</div>
<div><span class=3D"317031716-13112008"><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2">I a=
m having a problem with understanding how the BOD is simulated in HSPF. The=
 equations listed in the manual seems to be straight forward but I am havin=
g difficulty in understanding the results.
 It would be great if someone could share his/her thoughts.</font></span></=
div>
<div><span class=3D"317031716-13112008"><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"></f=
ont></span>&nbsp;</div>
<div><span class=3D"317031716-13112008"><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2">Her=
e's what I am doing:</font></span></div>
<div><span class=3D"317031716-13112008"><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"></f=
ont></span>&nbsp;</div>
<div><span class=3D"317031716-13112008"><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2">I a=
ssumed that the BOD concentrations which I have to assign to the ground-wat=
er and interflow to be 10 mg/L (ultimate BOD).&nbsp;During dry period, the =
flow is primarily groundwater so&nbsp;I would think
 that the concentration (POTBOD) in the stream is close to 10 mg/L. However=
, HSPF is calculating values close to&nbsp;3.5 or so. I am using a decay ra=
te (KBOD20=3D0.01 / hr) temperature correction coefficient of 1.047, BOD se=
ttling rate (KODSET =3D 0.04 ft/hr).&nbsp;</font></span><span class=3D"3170=
31716-13112008"><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2">&nbsp;For
 the BOD simulation, the loss terms for BOD would be sinking, decay, bentha=
l oxygen demand. I printed out all the members of&nbsp;OXCF4 (1 - BOD decay=
, 2 - benthal release, 3 - sinking, 4 - denitrification, 5 - phytoplankton,=
 6 - zooplankton, 7 - benthal algae and
 8 - total). Their units are lbs/hr. I also printed the VOL and&nbsp;conver=
ted the mass to concentration which accounted for approximately 2-3 mg/L. I=
 do not understand where the remaining 4-5 mg/L of BOD is getting lost.</fo=
nt></span></div>
<div><span class=3D"317031716-13112008"><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"></f=
ont></span>&nbsp;</div>
<div><span class=3D"317031716-13112008"><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2">I t=
ried a sensitivity decreasing the decay rate and settling rate to 1E-25. It=
 increased the POTBOD to 4-5, but still there's some BOD which is unaccount=
ed for.</font></span></div>
<div><span class=3D"317031716-13112008"><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"></f=
ont></span>&nbsp;</div>
<div><span class=3D"317031716-13112008"><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2">Am =
I missing something here? Could you please share your insights?</font></spa=
n></div>
<div><span class=3D"317031716-13112008"><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"></f=
ont></span>&nbsp;</div>
<div><span class=3D"317031716-13112008"><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2">Tha=
nks,</font></span></div>
<div><span class=3D"317031716-13112008"><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2">Roo=
p.</font></span></div>
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Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 15:04:05 -0500
From: Tom Jobes <TJobes@sjrwmd.com>
Subject: RE: BOD in HSPF - mystery

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Roop,

Actually, you should be comparing your baseflow concentration with the actu=
al instream BOD concentration, not POTBOD, which includes a fraction of the=
 algae concentration as well.  It seems to me that would actually make your=
 problem worse, not better.

The first thing I'd look at is your assumption that most of the flow is bas=
eflow.  Check the SURO, IFWO, and AGWO components to confirm.  Also, compar=
e the baseflow concentration with the interflow and the effective surface c=
oncentration, to see if there is some sort of dilution.  Finally, look not =
just at concentrations but at all of the inflows and outflows in mass terms=
, so you can construct a total mass balance for BOD in your reach.

Tom Jobes
St Johns River Water Management District
tjobes@sjrwmd.com
W: 386-329-4463
C: 386-937-6341

From: Biswarup Guha [mailto:bguha@hydroqual.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 11:39 AM
To: Private list for BASINS users
Subject: [basinsinfo] BOD in HSPF - mystery

Hi all,

I am having a problem with understanding how the BOD is simulated in HSPF. =
The equations listed in the manual seems to be straight forward but I am ha=
ving difficulty in understanding the results. It would be great if someone =
could share his/her thoughts.

Here's what I am doing:

I assumed that the BOD concentrations which I have to assign to the ground-=
water and interflow to be 10 mg/L (ultimate BOD). During dry period, the fl=
ow is primarily groundwater so I would think that the concentration (POTBOD=
) in the stream is close to 10 mg/L. However, HSPF is calculating values cl=
ose to 3.5 or so. I am using a decay rate (KBOD20=3D0.01 / hr) temperature =
correction coefficient of 1.047, BOD settling rate (KODSET =3D 0.04 ft/hr).=
  For the BOD simulation, the loss terms for BOD would be sinking, decay, b=
enthal oxygen demand. I printed out all the members of OXCF4 (1 - BOD decay=
, 2 - benthal release, 3 - sinking, 4 - denitrification, 5 - phytoplankton,=
 6 - zooplankton, 7 - benthal algae and 8 - total). Their units are lbs/hr.=
 I also printed the VOL and converted the mass to concentration which accou=
nted for approximately 2-3 mg/L. I do not understand where the remaining 4-=
5 mg/L of BOD is getting lost.

I tried a sensitivity decreasing the decay rate and settling rate to 1E-25.=
 It increased the POTBOD to 4-5, but still there's some BOD which is unacco=
unted for.

Am I missing something here? Could you please share your insights?

Thanks,
Roop.

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",=
"sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Roop,<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",=
"sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",=
"sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Actually, you should be comparing your baseflow concentratio=
n
with the actual instream BOD concentration, not POTBOD, which includes a
fraction of the algae concentration as well.&nbsp; It seems to me that woul=
d
actually make your problem worse, not better.<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",=
"sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",=
"sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>The first thing I&#8217;d look at is your assumption that mo=
st
of the flow is baseflow.&nbsp; Check the SURO, IFWO, and AGWO components to
confirm.&nbsp; Also, compare the baseflow concentration with the interflow =
and
the effective surface concentration, to see if there is some sort of diluti=
on.&nbsp;
Finally, look not just at concentrations but at all of the inflows and outf=
lows
in mass terms, so you can construct a total mass balance for BOD in your re=
ach.<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:#24=
4236'>Tom
Jobes<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:#24=
4236'>St
Johns River Water Management District<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:#24=
4236'>tjobes@sjrwmd.com<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:#24=
4236'>W:
386-329-4463<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:#24=
4236'>C:
386-937-6341<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma=
","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Biswarup Guha
[mailto:bguha@hydroqual.com] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, November 13, 2008 11:39 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Private list for BASINS users<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [basinsinfo] BOD in HSPF - mystery<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","s=
ans-serif"'>Hi
all,</span><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","s=
ans-serif"'>I
am having a problem with understanding how the BOD is simulated in HSPF. Th=
e
equations listed in the manual seems to be straight forward but I am having
difficulty in understanding the results. It would be great if someone could
share his/her thoughts.</span><o:p></o:p></p>

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<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","s=
ans-serif"'>Here's
what I am doing:</span><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","s=
ans-serif"'>I
assumed that the BOD concentrations which I have to assign to the ground-wa=
ter
and interflow to be 10 mg/L (ultimate BOD).&nbsp;During dry period, the flo=
w is
primarily groundwater so&nbsp;I would think that the concentration (POTBOD)=
 in
the stream is close to 10 mg/L. However, HSPF is calculating values close
to&nbsp;3.5 or so. I am using a decay rate (KBOD20=3D0.01 / hr) temperature
correction coefficient of 1.047, BOD settling rate (KODSET =3D 0.04
ft/hr).&nbsp;&nbsp;For the BOD simulation, the loss terms for BOD would be
sinking, decay, benthal oxygen demand. I printed out all the members
of&nbsp;OXCF4 (1 - BOD decay, 2 - benthal release, 3 - sinking, 4 - denitri=
fication,
5 - phytoplankton, 6 - zooplankton, 7 - benthal algae and 8 - total). Their
units are lbs/hr. I also printed the VOL and&nbsp;converted the mass to
concentration which accounted for approximately 2-3 mg/L. I do not understa=
nd
where the remaining 4-5 mg/L of BOD is getting lost.</span><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","s=
ans-serif"'>I
tried a sensitivity decreasing the decay rate and settling rate to 1E-25. I=
t
increased the POTBOD to 4-5, but still there's some BOD which is unaccounte=
d
for.</span><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>

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<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","s=
ans-serif"'>Am
I missing something here? Could you please share your insights?</span><o:p>=
</o:p></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","s=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","s=
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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 14:44:12 -0600
From: "Rahim, Mustafa" <rahim@illinois.edu>
Subject: MASS-LINK question

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Hi everybody,

I would like to tell my model that the sediment loading from the land surfa=
ce is assumed to consist of 10% sand, 35% silt and 55% clay for some PERLAN=
D and 5% sand, 55%silt and 40% clay. How can I tell the MASS-LINK that part=
 of land surface will take the fraction from set A (10% sand, 35% silt and =
55%) and rest will take from set B (5% sand, 55%silt and 40%). If its same =
fraction for all watershed then its simple, but what is the best way to han=
dle this type of situation? Any help is highly appreciated. Thanks a lot.

Mustafa Rahim


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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 15:55:18 -0500
From: Tom Jobes <TJobes@sjrwmd.com>
Subject: RE: MASS-LINK question

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Mustafa,

This is pretty simple.  Set up separate MASS-LINK blocks for each group of =
PERLNDs.   If you have adsorbed water quality constituents, you might want =
to adjust the multipliers
for their sand-silt-clay fractions as well, though not necessarily using th=
e same fractions - typically a lower fraction for sand, or even zero; and h=
igher for clay.

Then in the SCHEMATIC block, set the appropriate MASS-LINK number for each =
type of PERLND.  There's nothing magical about the convention of PERLND=3D1=
, IMPLND=3D2,
RCHRES=3D3, etc. for MASS-LINK numbers.

Tom Jobes
St Johns River Water Management District
tjobes@sjrwmd.com
W: 386-329-4463
C: 386-937-6341

From: Rahim, Mustafa [mailto:rahim@illinois.edu]
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 3:44 PM
To: Private list for BASINS users
Subject: [basinsinfo] MASS-LINK question

Hi everybody,

I would like to tell my model that the sediment loading from the land surfa=
ce is assumed to consist of 10% sand, 35% silt and 55% clay for some PERLAN=
D and 5% sand, 55%silt and 40% clay. How can I tell the MASS-LINK that part=
 of land surface will take the fraction from set A (10% sand, 35% silt and =
55%) and rest will take from set B (5% sand, 55%silt and 40%). If its same =
fraction for all watershed then its simple, but what is the best way to han=
dle this type of situation? Any help is highly appreciated. Thanks a lot.

Mustafa Rahim



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<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",=
"sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>This is pretty simple.&nbsp; Set up separate MASS-LINK block=
s
for each group of PERLNDs.&nbsp; &nbsp;If you have adsorbed water quality
constituents, you might want to adjust the multipliers<o:p></o:p></span></p=
>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",=
"sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>for their sand-silt-clay fractions as well, though not
necessarily using the same fractions &#8211; typically a lower fraction for
sand, or even zero; and higher for clay.<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",=
"sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",=
"sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Then in the SCHEMATIC block, set the appropriate MASS-LINK
number for each type of PERLND.&nbsp; There&#8217;s nothing magical about t=
he
convention of PERLND=3D1, IMPLND=3D2,<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",=
"sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>RCHRES=3D3, etc. for MASS-LINK numbers.<o:p></o:p></span></p=
>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",=
"sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:#24=
4236'>Tom
Jobes<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:#24=
4236'>St
Johns River Water Management District<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:#24=
4236'>tjobes@sjrwmd.com<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:#24=
4236'>W:
386-329-4463<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:#24=
4236'>C:
386-937-6341<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma=
","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Rahim, Mustaf=
a
[mailto:rahim@illinois.edu] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, November 14, 2008 3:44 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Private list for BASINS users<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [basinsinfo] MASS-LINK question<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'>Hi everybody,</span><=
o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'>I would like to tell =
my model
that the sediment loading from the land surface is assumed to consist of 10=
%
sand, 35% silt and 55% clay for some PERLAND and 5% sand, 55%silt and 40% c=
lay.
How can I tell the MASS-LINK that part of land surface will take the fracti=
on
from set A (10% sand, 35% silt and 55%) and rest will take from set B (5% s=
and,
55%silt and 40%). If its same fraction for all watershed then its simple, b=
ut
what is the best way to handle this type of situation? Any help is highly a=
ppreciated.
Thanks a lot.</span><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"TimesNewRo=
man","serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>

</div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","s=
ans-serif"'>Mustafa
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X-Message-Number: 17
X-lyris-Id: 176094
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 10:42:59 -0800
From: Drew Ackerman <drewa@sccwrp.org>
Subject: Local land use for HSPF

I have tried bringing in local land use data to populate HSPF.  I have 
tried bringing it in as a shape file, a raster, and as a TIF (and BMP).  
The raster, TIF and BMP don't get brought in well.  The shape file comes 
in but when I try to generate the UCI file (i'm not assigning a 
classification file), it chokes.  Is there something I'm missing?  Are 
we still required to have only certain fields in the shape files as was 
the case in ver 3.1?

Thanks
drew


Below is the error when I try using the shape file. 


BASINS 4 4.5.3048 (5/6/2008)

System.InvalidCastException: Conversion from string "Open" to type 
'Integer' is not valid. ---> System.FormatException: Input string was 
not in a correct format.
   at 
Microsoft.VisualBasic.CompilerServices.Conversions.ParseDouble(String 
Value, NumberFormatInfo NumberFormat)
   at 
Microsoft.VisualBasic.CompilerServices.Conversions.ToInteger(String Value)
   --- End of inner exception stack trace ---
   at 
Microsoft.VisualBasic.CompilerServices.Conversions.ToInteger(String Value)
   at 
Microsoft.VisualBasic.CompilerServices.Conversions.ToInteger(Object Value)
   at atcModelSetup.frmModelSetup.CreateLanduses(atcCollection 
aSubbasinsSlopes, Collection aLucodes, Collection aSubids, Collection 
aAreas, Reaches aReaches)
   at atcModelSetup.frmModelSetup.SetupHSPF(String aOutputPath, String 
aBaseOutputName)
   at atcModelSetup.frmModelSetup.cmdOK_Click(Object sender, EventArgs e)
   at System.Windows.Forms.Control.OnClick(EventArgs e)
   at System.Windows.Forms.Button.OnClick(EventArgs e)
   at System.Windows.Forms.Button.OnMouseUp(MouseEventArgs mevent)
   at System.Windows.Forms.Control.WmMouseUp(Message& m, MouseButtons 
button, Int32 clicks)
   at System.Windows.Forms.Control.WndProc(Message& m)
   at System.Windows.Forms.ButtonBase.WndProc(Message& m)
   at System.Windows.Forms.Button.WndProc(Message& m)
   at System.Windows.Forms.Control.ControlNativeWindow.OnMessage(Message& m)
   at System.Windows.Forms.Control.ControlNativeWindow.WndProc(Message& m)
   at System.Windows.Forms.NativeWindow.Callback(IntPtr hWnd, Int32 msg, 
IntPtr wparam, IntPtr lparam)

MapWinUtility (debug reporter) Assmebly Version: 2.0.832.50727
Operating System: Win32NT
Service Pack: Service Pack 2
Major Version:    5
Minor Version:    1
Revision:        2
Build:        2600

-------------------------------------------------
Logical Drives: C:\ D:\ G:\ O:\ P:\ S:\ W:\ Y:\ Z:\
System Directory: C:\WINDOWS\system32
Current Directory: C:\PROJECTS\Hydromod\Hicks
Command Line: "C:\Basins\bin\MapWindow.exe"
Command Line Args: C:\Basins\bin\MapWindow.exe

------------Environment Variables-----------------
Path == C:\Perl\site\bin;C:\Perl\bin;C:\Program 
Files\Tecplot\TecFocus\Bin;C:\WINDOWS\system32;C:\WINDOWS;C:\WINDOWS\System32\Wb
em;C:\Program 
Files\Wave Systems Corp\Dell Preboot Manager\Access 
Client\v5\;C:\LF9555\Bin;c:\g77\bin;c:\g77\lib;C:\PROGRA~1\USGS\hspexp2.4\bin;C:
\pest;C:\pest\swutils;C:\Program 
Files\QuickTime\QTSystem\;C:\Program Files\MATLAB\R2007b\bin;C:\Program 
Files\MATLAB\R2007b\bin\win32;C:\Program 
Files\MATLAB\R2007b\Downloads\mexnc;C:\opendap\bin;C:\opendap\loaddap;C:\opendap
-tools\bin;;C:\Program 
Files\SciTools-FORTRAN\bin\pc-win95;C:\Program Files\CVSNT\
TEMP == C:\DOCUME~1\Drewa\LOCALS~1\Temp
SESSIONNAME == Console
PATHEXT == .COM;.EXE;.BAT;.CMD;.VBS;.VBE;.JS;.JSE;.WSF;.WSH
USERDOMAIN == SCCWRP2K
PROCESSOR_ARCHITECTURE == x86
SystemDrive == C:
APPDATA == C:\Documents and Settings\Drewa\Application Data
DEFLOGDIR == C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application 
Data\McAfee\DesktopProtection
windir == C:\WINDOWS
SonicCentral == C:\Program Files\Common Files\Sonic Shared\Sonic Central\
Lib == C:\LF9555\Lib
TMP == C:\DOCUME~1\Drewa\LOCALS~1\Temp
USERDNSDOMAIN == SCCWRP2K.LAN
USERPROFILE == C:\Documents and Settings\Drewa
ProgramFiles == C:\Program Files
FP_NO_HOST_CHECK == NO
HOMEPATH == \Documents and Settings\Drewa
COMPUTERNAME == DREW_DELL
CLASSPATH == .;C:\Program Files\Java\jre1.6.0_02\lib\ext\QTJava.zip
USERNAME == drewa
NUMBER_OF_PROCESSORS == 2
PROCESSOR_IDENTIFIER == x86 Family 6 Model 15 Stepping 6, GenuineIntel
Display == 127.0.0.1:0.0
VSEDEFLOGDIR == C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application 
Data\McAfee\DesktopProtection
SystemRoot == C:\WINDOWS
ComSpec == C:\WINDOWS\system32\cmd.exe
LOGONSERVER == \\PELAGIC3
TECFOCUSHOME == C:\Program Files\Tecplot\TecFocus\
CommonProgramFiles == C:\Program Files\Common Files
PROCESSOR_LEVEL == 6
PROCESSOR_REVISION == 0f06
PROJ_LIB == C:\Basins\bin\PROJ_NAD
QTJAVA == C:\Program Files\Java\jre1.6.0_02\lib\ext\QTJava.zip
ALLUSERSPROFILE == C:\Documents and Settings\All Users
OS == Windows_NT
HOMEDRIVE == C:

------------Performance Info (Bytes)--------------
Private Memory:  290619392
tVirtual Memory:  482918400
Total CPU time: 00:00:09.8593750
Total User Mode CPU time: 00:00:06.9062500

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----Module Name:  detoured.dll
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----Module Name:  IMM32.DLL
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----Module Name:  comctl32.dll
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----Module Name:  lgscroll.dll
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----Module Name:  MSVCR71.dll
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----Module Name:  WLDAP32.dll
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----Module Name:  System.Drawing.ni.dll
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Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 18:06:14 -0800
From: "Pickett, Paul (ECY)" <PPic461@ECY.WA.GOV>
Subject: Use a different DEM

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I have access to a 10-m DEM grid for Washington State that I'd like to
use in BASINS. How do I import from this coverage to a grid file usable
in BASINS?

Paul

Paul J. Pickett
WA Dept. of Ecology
P.O. Box 47710
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Has anyone used PSTEMP to model stream temperature and found it
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Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 15:56:14 +0000
From: Harshad Patel <harshadsaroj@hotmail.com>
Subject: WinHSPFLt Error

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Dear Friends=2C
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I am trying run my watershed file (Version 11.0) through WinHSPFLt and I en=
counter following error:
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 an unformatted file (see "Input/Output" in the Lahey Fortran
 90 Language Reference)=2C FILE=3DHr-0.wdm=2C UNIT=3D99.
 Error occurred at line 395 of file C:\lib3.0\src\newaqt12\SCNUTL.FOR
 in FILSET
 called by M_ACTSCN@SCENMOD.
---------------------------OK   -------------------------
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Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 11:07:51 -0500
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Subject: Re: WinHSPFLt Error

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X-Message-Number: 22
X-lyris-Id: 176130
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 16:27:42 +0000
From: Harshad Patel <harshadsaroj@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: WinHSPFLt Error

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Dear Tom=2C
=20
Yes=2C You were right. I renumber and its works fine.
=20
Thanks for your help.
=20
Regards=2CHarshad Patel> From: TJobes@sjrwmd.com> To: basinsinfo@lists.epa.=
gov> Date: Thu=2C 20 Nov 2008 11:07:51 -0500> Subject: Re: [basinsinfo] Win=
HSPFLt Error> > > Are you using unit 99 in you FILES block? It is not clear=
ly documented=2C but this unit number is reserved for an internal debug out=
put file (often empty) called error.fil. It looks from your error that you =
are using unit 99 for your WDM file. Renumber it and you should be fine.> >=
 Tom Jobes> SJRWMD> > Tom Jobes> St. Johns River Water Management District>=
 Office:386-329-4463> Cell:386-937-6341> > > ----- Original Message -----> =
From: Harshad Patel <harshadsaroj@hotmail.com>> To: Private list for BASINS=
 users <basinsinfo@lists.epa.gov>> Sent: Thu Nov 20 10:56:14 2008> Subject:=
 [basinsinfo] WinHSPFLt Error> > > > Dear Friends=2C> > I am trying run my =
watershed file (Version 11.0) through WinHSPFLt and I encounter following e=
rror:> > ---------------------------> ERROR> ---------------------------> F=
ormatted I/O on an unformatted file (see "Input/Output" in the Lahey Fortra=
n> 90 Language Reference)=2C FILE=3DHr-0.wdm=2C UNIT=3D99.> Error occurred =
at line 395 of file C:\lib3.0\src\newaqt12\SCNUTL.FOR> in FILSET> called by=
 M_ACTSCN@SCENMOD.> > ---------------------------> OK> --------------------=
-----> > Is anyone had this type of problem before? Pls share with me.> > T=
hanks in advance for your input to solve above problem.> > Regards=2C> Hars=
had Patel> > Ph: (001) 905 882 4211 ext 6686> > > _________________________=
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Dear Tom=2C<BR>
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Yes=2C You were right. I renumber and its works fine.<BR>
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&nbsp=3B<BR>
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hat you are using unit 99 for your WDM file. Renumber it and you should be =
fine.<BR>&gt=3B <BR>&gt=3B Tom Jobes<BR>&gt=3B SJRWMD<BR>&gt=3B <BR>&gt=3B =
Tom Jobes<BR>&gt=3B St. Johns River Water Management District<BR>&gt=3B Off=
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Thanks in advance for your input to solve above problem.<BR>&gt=3B <BR>&gt=
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Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 18:42:54 +0000
From: oscar Loli Cardenas <ololi_cardenas@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Use a different DEM

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Subject: [basinsinfo] Use a different DEM
Date: Wed=2C 19 Nov 2008 18:06:14 -0800
From: PPic461@ECY.WA.GOV
To: basinsinfo@lists.epa.gov








Use a different DEM




I have access to a 10-m DEM grid for Washington State that I=92d like to us=
e in BASINS. How do I import from this coverage to a grid file usable in BA=
SINS?



Paul

Paul J. Pickett

WA Dept. of Ecology

P.O. Box 47710

Olympia=2C WA 98504-7710

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<title>Use a different DEM</title>




<p dir=3D"ltr"><span lang=3D"en-us"><font face=3D"Calibri">I have access to=
 a 10-m DEM</font></span><span lang=3D"en-us"> <font face=3D"Calibri">grid<=
/font></span><span lang=3D"en-us"> <font face=3D"Calibri">for Washington St=
ate that I</font></span><span lang=3D"en-us"><font face=3D"Calibri">=92</fo=
nt></span><span lang=3D"en-us"><font face=3D"Calibri">d like to use in BASI=
NS. How do I import from this coverage to a grid file usable in BASINS?</fo=
nt></span></p>

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<p dir=3D"ltr"><span lang=3D"en-us"><font face=3D"Calibri">Paul</font></spa=
n><span lang=3D"en-us"></span></p>

<p dir=3D"ltr"><span lang=3D"en-us"><i></i></span><span lang=3D"en-us"><i><=
/i></span><span lang=3D"en-us"><i></i></span><i><span lang=3D"en-us"><font =
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I have a 10-m DEM that I can access through my ArcMap from our agency
server. I can clip it to the local boundaries and save the clipped file
on my local computer. When I use the "Add Layer" button, BASINS can't
see the server grid file, and it can only import the image file from the
clipped grid.=20

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What's the best way to convert my larger server grid into a small local
grid that BASINS can use?

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P.O. Box 47710

Olympia, WA 98504-7710

(360) 407-6882

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Subject: [basinsinfo] Use a different DEM
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 18:06:14 -0800
From: PPic461@ECY.WA.GOV
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I have access to a 10-m DEM grid for Washington State that I'd like to
use in BASINS. How do I import from this coverage to a grid file usable
in BASINS?

Paul

Paul J. Pickett

WA Dept. of Ecology

P.O. Box 47710

Olympia, WA 98504-7710

(360) 407-6882

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clipped file
on my local computer. When I use the &#8220;Add Layer&#8221; button, =
BASINS can&#8217;t
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Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 18:06:14 -0800<br>
From: PPic461@ECY.WA.GOV<br>
To: basinsinfo@lists.epa.gov<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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</span><span =
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Washington
State that I&#8217;d like to use in BASINS. How do I import from this =
coverage
to a grid file usable in BASINS?</span><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

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Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 13:57:27 -0500
From: Biswarup Guha <bguha@hydroqual.com>
Subject: RE: BOD in HSPF - mystery

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Hi Tom,

Don't think I responded your email. Thank you for the hints. I looked at th=
e inflows and outflows and storages and they are consistent.

Biswarup (Roop) Guha, P.E.
Project Engineer
HydroQual, Inc.
mail to: bguha@hydroqual.com<mailto:%20bguha@hydroqual.com>
1200 MacArthur Boulevard
Mahwah, NJ 07430
Phone: 201-529-5151, ext. 7216
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________________________________
From: Tom Jobes [TJobes@sjrwmd.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 3:04 PM
To: Private list for BASINS users
Subject: RE:[basinsinfo] BOD in HSPF - mystery

Roop,

Actually, you should be comparing your baseflow concentration with the actu=
al instream BOD concentration, not POTBOD, which includes a fraction of the=
 algae concentration as well.  It seems to me that would actually make your=
 problem worse, not better.

The first thing I=92d look at is your assumption that most of the flow is b=
aseflow.  Check the SURO, IFWO, and AGWO components to confirm.  Also, comp=
are the baseflow concentration with the interflow and the effective surface=
 concentration, to see if there is some sort of dilution.  Finally, look no=
t just at concentrations but at all of the inflows and outflows in mass ter=
ms, so you can construct a total mass balance for BOD in your reach.

Tom Jobes
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tjobes@sjrwmd.com
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From: Biswarup Guha [mailto:bguha@hydroqual.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 11:39 AM
To: Private list for BASINS users
Subject: [basinsinfo] BOD in HSPF - mystery

Hi all,

I am having a problem with understanding how the BOD is simulated in HSPF. =
The equations listed in the manual seems to be straight forward but I am ha=
ving difficulty in understanding the results. It would be great if someone =
could share his/her thoughts.

Here's what I am doing:

I assumed that the BOD concentrations which I have to assign to the ground-=
water and interflow to be 10 mg/L (ultimate BOD). During dry period, the fl=
ow is primarily groundwater so I would think that the concentration (POTBOD=
) in the stream is close to 10 mg/L. However, HSPF is calculating values cl=
ose to 3.5 or so. I am using a decay rate (KBOD20=3D0.01 / hr) temperature =
correction coefficient of 1.047, BOD settling rate (KODSET =3D 0.04 ft/hr).=
  For the BOD simulation, the loss terms for BOD would be sinking, decay, b=
enthal oxygen demand. I printed out all the members of OXCF4 (1 - BOD decay=
, 2 - benthal release, 3 - sinking, 4 - denitrification, 5 - phytoplankton,=
 6 - zooplankton, 7 - benthal algae and 8 - total). Their units are lbs/hr.=
 I also printed the VOL and converted the mass to concentration which accou=
nted for approximately 2-3 mg/L. I do not understand where the remaining 4-=
5 mg/L of BOD is getting lost.

I tried a sensitivity decreasing the decay rate and settling rate to 1E-25.=
 It increased the POTBOD to 4-5, but still there's some BOD which is unacco=
unted for.

Am I missing something here? Could you please share your insights?

Thanks,
Roop.

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><font face=3D"tahoma" size=3D"2"></font>&nbsp;</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><font face=3D"tahoma" size=3D"2">Don't think I responded y=
our email. Thank you for the hints. I looked at the inflows and outflows an=
d storages and they are consistent.
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<div><font size=3D"2"><span lang=3D"en-us"><font size=3D"2">Biswarup (Roop)=
 Guha, P.E.</font></span><font size=3D"3">
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<div><font size=3D"2"><span lang=3D"en-us"><font size=3D"2">Project Enginee=
r</font></span><font size=3D"3">
<br>
</font><span lang=3D"en-us"><font size=3D"2">HydroQual, Inc.</font></span><=
font size=3D"3">
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</font><span lang=3D"en-us"><font size=3D"2"><a href=3D"mailto:%20bguha@hyd=
roqual.com">mail to: bguha@hydroqual.com</a></font></span><font size=3D"3">
<br>
</font><span lang=3D"en-us"><font size=3D"2">1200 MacArthur Boulevard</font=
></span><font size=3D"3">
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</font><span lang=3D"en-us"><font size=3D"2">Mahwah, NJ 07430</font></span>=
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<br>
</font><span lang=3D"en-us"><font size=3D"2">Phone: 201-529-5151, ext. 7216=
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</font><span lang=3D"en-us"><font size=3D"2">Fax: 201-529-5728</font></span=
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<font face=3D"Tahoma" size=3D"2"><b>From:</b> Tom Jobes [TJobes@sjrwmd.com]=
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, November 13, 2008 3:04 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Private list for BASINS users<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE:[basinsinfo] BOD in HSPF - mystery<br>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT=
-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Roop,</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT=
-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"></span>&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT=
-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Actually, you should be comparing your bas=
eflow concentration with the actual instream BOD concentration, not POTBOD,=
 which includes a fraction of the algae
 concentration as well.&nbsp; It seems to me that would actually make your =
problem worse, not better.</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT=
-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"></span>&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT=
-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">The first thing I=92d look at is your assu=
mption that most of the flow is baseflow.&nbsp; Check the SURO, IFWO, and A=
GWO components to confirm.&nbsp; Also, compare the
 baseflow concentration with the interflow and the effective surface concen=
tration, to see if there is some sort of dilution.&nbsp; Finally, look not =
just at concentrations but at all of the inflows and outflows in mass terms=
, so you can construct a total mass balance
 for BOD in your reach.</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT=
-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"></span>&nbsp;</p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"COLOR: #244236; FONT-FAMILY: 'Cambria=
','serif'">Tom Jobes</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"COLOR: #244236; FONT-FAMILY: 'Cambria=
','serif'">St Johns River Water Management District</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"COLOR: #244236; FONT-FAMILY: 'Cambria=
','serif'">tjobes@sjrwmd.com</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"COLOR: #244236; FONT-FAMILY: 'Cambria=
','serif'">W: 386-329-4463</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"COLOR: #244236; FONT-FAMILY: 'Cambria=
','serif'">C: 386-937-6341</span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT=
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oma','sans-serif'">From:</span></b><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAM=
ILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'"> Biswarup Guha [mailto:bguha@hydroqual.com]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, November 13, 2008 11:39 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Private list for BASINS users<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [basinsinfo] BOD in HSPF - mystery</span></p>
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</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial'=
,'sans-serif'">Hi all,</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial'=
,'sans-serif'">I am having a problem with understanding how the BOD is simu=
lated in HSPF. The equations listed in the manual seems to be straight forw=
ard but I am having difficulty in understanding
 the results. It would be great if someone could share his/her thoughts.</s=
pan></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial'=
,'sans-serif'">Here's what I am doing:</span></p>
</div>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial'=
,'sans-serif'">I assumed that the BOD concentrations which I have to assign=
 to the ground-water and interflow to be 10 mg/L (ultimate BOD).&nbsp;Durin=
g dry period, the flow is primarily groundwater
 so&nbsp;I would think that the concentration (POTBOD) in the stream is clo=
se to 10 mg/L. However, HSPF is calculating values close to&nbsp;3.5 or so.=
 I am using a decay rate (KBOD20=3D0.01 / hr) temperature correction coeffi=
cient of 1.047, BOD settling rate (KODSET =3D
 0.04 ft/hr).&nbsp;&nbsp;For the BOD simulation, the loss terms for BOD wou=
ld be sinking, decay, benthal oxygen demand. I printed out all the members =
of&nbsp;OXCF4 (1 - BOD decay, 2 - benthal release, 3 - sinking, 4 - denitri=
fication, 5 - phytoplankton, 6 - zooplankton, 7
 - benthal algae and 8 - total). Their units are lbs/hr. I also printed the=
 VOL and&nbsp;converted the mass to concentration which accounted for appro=
ximately 2-3 mg/L. I do not understand where the remaining 4-5 mg/L of BOD =
is getting lost.</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial'=
,'sans-serif'">I tried a sensitivity decreasing the decay rate and settling=
 rate to 1E-25. It increased the POTBOD to 4-5, but still there's some BOD =
which is unaccounted for.</span></p>
</div>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial'=
,'sans-serif'">Am I missing something here? Could you please share your ins=
ights?</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial'=
,'sans-serif'">Thanks,</span></p>
</div>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial'=
,'sans-serif'">Roop.</span></p>
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AN lang=3Den-us><FONT size=3D2>Project Engineer</FONT></SPAN><FONT size=3D3=
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November 13, 2008 3:04 PM<BR><B>To:</B> Private list for BASINS users<BR><B=
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tyle=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri', 'sans-seri=
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-F=
AMILY: 'Calibri', 'sans-serif'">Actually, you should be comparing your base=
flow concentration with the actual instream BOD concentration, not POTBOD, =
which includes a fraction of the algae concentration as well.&nbsp; It seem=
s to me that would actually make your problem worse, not better.</SPAN></P>=
=0A<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FON=
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ans-serif'">The first thing I=A2d look at is your assumption that most of t=
he flow is baseflow.&nbsp; Check the SURO, IFWO, and AGWO components to con=
firm.&nbsp; Also, compare the baseflow concentration with the interflow and=
 the effective surface concentration, to see if there is some sort of dilut=
ion.&nbsp; Finally, look not just at concentrations but at all of the inflo=
ws and outflows in mass terms, so you can construct a total mass balance fo=
r BOD in your reach.</SPAN></P>=0A<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D"FONT-=
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N></P>=0A<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: #244236; FONT-FAMILY: '=
Cambria', 'serif'">W: 386-329-4463</SPAN></P>=0A<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN =
style=3D"COLOR: #244236; FONT-FAMILY: 'Cambria', 'serif'">C: 386-937-6341</=
SPAN></P></DIV>=0A<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLO=
R: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri', 'sans-serif'"></SPAN>&nbsp;</P>=0A<DIV>=
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ormal><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma', 'sans-serif=
'">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma', '=
sans-serif'"> Biswarup Guha [mailto:bguha@hydroqual.com] <BR><B>Sent:</B> T=
hursday, November 13, 2008 11:39 AM<BR><B>To:</B> Private list for BASINS u=
sers<BR><B>Subject:</B> [basinsinfo] BOD in HSPF - mystery</SPAN></P></DIV>=
</DIV>=0A<P class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;</P>=0A<DIV>=0A<P class=3DMsoNormal><SP=
AN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial', 'sans-serif'">Hi all,</S=
PAN></P></DIV>=0A<DIV>=0A<P class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;</P></DIV>=0A<DIV>=0A<P=
 class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial', 's=
ans-serif'">I am having a problem with understanding how the BOD is simulat=
ed in HSPF. The equations listed in the manual seems to be straight forward=
 but I am having difficulty in understanding the results. It would be great=
 if someone could share his/her thoughts.</SPAN></P></DIV>=0A<DIV>=0A<P cla=
ss=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;</P></DIV>=0A<DIV>=0A<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=
=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial', 'sans-serif'">Here's what I am d=
oing:</SPAN></P></DIV>=0A<DIV>=0A<P class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;</P></DIV>=0A<D=
IV>=0A<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Ar=
ial', 'sans-serif'">I assumed that the BOD concentrations which I have to a=
ssign to the ground-water and interflow to be 10 mg/L (ultimate BOD).&nbsp;=
During dry period, the flow is primarily groundwater so&nbsp;I would think =
that the concentration (POTBOD) in the stream is close to 10 mg/L. However,=
 HSPF is calculating values close to&nbsp;3.5 or so. I am using a decay rat=
e (KBOD20=3D0.01 / hr) temperature correction coefficient of 1.047, BOD set=
tling rate (KODSET =3D 0.04 ft/hr).&nbsp;&nbsp;For the BOD simulation, the =
loss terms for BOD would be sinking, decay, benthal oxygen demand. I printe=
d out all the members of&nbsp;OXCF4 (1 - BOD decay, 2 - benthal release, 3 =
- sinking, 4 - denitrification, 5 - phytoplankton, 6 - zooplankton, 7 - ben=
thal algae and 8 - total). Their units are lbs/hr. I also printed the VOL a=
nd&nbsp;converted the mass to concentration which accounted for approximate=
ly 2-3
 mg/L. I do not understand where the remaining 4-5 mg/L of BOD is getting l=
ost.</SPAN></P></DIV>=0A<DIV>=0A<P class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;</P></DIV>=0A<DI=
V>=0A<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Ari=
al', 'sans-serif'">I tried a sensitivity decreasing the decay rate and sett=
ling rate to 1E-25. It increased the POTBOD to 4-5, but still there's some =
BOD which is unaccounted for.</SPAN></P></DIV>=0A<DIV>=0A<P class=3DMsoNorm=
al>&nbsp;</P></DIV>=0A<DIV>=0A<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE=
: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial', 'sans-serif'">Am I missing something here? Co=
uld you please share your insights?</SPAN></P></DIV>=0A<DIV>=0A<P class=3DM=
soNormal>&nbsp;</P></DIV>=0A<DIV>=0A<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D"FON=
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From: oscar Loli Cardenas <ololi_cardenas@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Use a different DEM

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Subject: RE: [basinsinfo] Use a different DEM
Date: Thu=2C 20 Nov 2008 10:49:19 -0800
From: PPic461@ECY.WA.GOV
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Use a different DEM








Yes.=20

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I have a 10-m DEM that I can access through my ArcMap from our
agency server. I can clip it to the local boundaries and save the clipped f=
ile
on my local computer. When I use the =93Add Layer=94 button=2C BASINS can=
=92t
see the server grid file=2C and it can only import the image file from the
clipped grid.=20

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What=92s the best way to convert my larger server grid into a
small local grid that BASINS can use?

=20

Paul

=20



Paul J. Pickett

WA Dept. of Ecology

P.O. Box 47710

Olympia=2C WA 98504-7710

(360) 407-6882



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Subject: [basinsinfo] Use a different DEM

Date: Wed=2C 19 Nov 2008 18:06:14 -0800

From: PPic461@ECY.WA.GOV

To: basinsinfo@lists.epa.gov

I
have access to a 10-m DEM
grid for Washington
State that I=92d like to use in BASINS. How do I import from this coverage
to a grid file usable in BASINS?

Paul

Paul J. Pickett

WA Dept. of Ecology

P.O. Box 47710

Olympia=2C WA 98504-7710

(360) 407-6882

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rial'=2C'sans-serif'=3B color: maroon=3B">Here are more details:</span></p>

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rial'=2C'sans-serif'=3B color: maroon=3B">&nbsp=3B</span></p>

<p class=3D"EC_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt=3B font-family: 'A=
rial'=2C'sans-serif'=3B color: maroon=3B">I have a 10-m DEM that I can acce=
ss through my ArcMap from our
agency server. I can clip it to the local boundaries and save the clipped f=
ile
on my local computer. When I use the =93Add Layer=94 button=2C BASINS can=
=92t
see the server grid file=2C and it can only import the image file from the
clipped grid. </span></p>

<p class=3D"EC_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt=3B font-family: 'A=
rial'=2C'sans-serif'=3B color: maroon=3B">&nbsp=3B</span></p>

<p class=3D"EC_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt=3B font-family: 'A=
rial'=2C'sans-serif'=3B color: maroon=3B">What=92s the best way to convert =
my larger server grid into a
small local grid that BASINS can use?</span></p>

<p class=3D"EC_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt=3B font-family: 'A=
rial'=2C'sans-serif'=3B color: maroon=3B">&nbsp=3B</span></p>

<p class=3D"EC_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt=3B font-family: 'A=
rial'=2C'sans-serif'=3B color: maroon=3B">Paul</span></p>

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rial'=2C'sans-serif'=3B color: maroon=3B">&nbsp=3B</span></p>

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<p class=3D"EC_MsoNormal"><i><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt=3B font-family:=
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<p class=3D"EC_MsoNormal"><i><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt=3B font-family:=
 'Comic Sans MS'=3B color: purple=3B">WA Dept. of Ecology</span></i></p>

<p class=3D"EC_MsoNormal"><i><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt=3B font-family:=
 'Comic Sans MS'=3B color: purple=3B">P.O. Box 47710</span></i></p>

<p class=3D"EC_MsoNormal"><i><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt=3B font-family:=
 'Comic Sans MS'=3B color: purple=3B">Olympia=2C WA 98504-7710</span></i></=
p>

<p class=3D"EC_MsoNormal"><i><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt=3B font-family:=
 'Comic Sans MS'=3B color: purple=3B">(360) 407-6882</span></i></p>

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=3B font-family: 'Tahoma'=2C'sans-serif'=3B"> oscar Loli Cardenas
[mailto:ololi_cardenas@hotmail.com] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday=2C November 20=2C 2008 10:43 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Private list for BASINS users<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [basinsinfo] Use a different DEM</span></p>

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cgis<br>
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ont-size: 10pt=3B font-family: 'Verdana'=2C'sans-serif'=3B">Subject: [basin=
sinfo] Use a different DEM<br>
Date: Wed=2C 19 Nov 2008 18:06:14 -0800<br>
From: PPic461@ECY.WA.GOV<br>
To: basinsinfo@lists.epa.gov</span></p>

<p class=3D"EC_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt=3B font-family: 'C=
alibri'=2C'sans-serif'=3B">I
have access to a 10-m DEM</span><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt=3B font-fami=
ly: 'Verdana'=2C'sans-serif'=3B">
</span><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt=3B font-family: 'Calibri'=2C'sans-ser=
if'=3B">grid</span><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt=3B font-family: 'Verdana'=
=2C'sans-serif'=3B"> </span><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt=3B font-family: =
'Calibri'=2C'sans-serif'=3B">for Washington
State that I=92d like to use in BASINS. How do I import from this coverage
to a grid file usable in BASINS?</span><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt=3B fo=
nt-family: 'Verdana'=2C'sans-serif'=3B"></span></p>

<p class=3D"EC_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt=3B font-family: 'C=
alibri'=2C'sans-serif'=3B">Paul</span><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt=3B fon=
t-family: 'Verdana'=2C'sans-serif'=3B"></span></p>

<p class=3D"EC_MsoNormal"><i><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt=3B font-family:=
 'Comic Sans MS'=3B color: purple=3B">Paul J. Pickett</span></i><span style=
=3D"font-size: 10pt=3B font-family: 'Verdana'=2C'sans-serif'=3B"></span></p=
>

<p class=3D"EC_MsoNormal"><i><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt=3B font-family:=
 'Comic Sans MS'=3B color: purple=3B">WA Dept. of Ecology</span></i><span s=
tyle=3D"font-size: 10pt=3B font-family: 'Verdana'=2C'sans-serif'=3B"></span=
></p>

<p class=3D"EC_MsoNormal"><i><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt=3B font-family:=
 'Comic Sans MS'=3B color: purple=3B">P.O. Box 47710</span></i><span style=
=3D"font-size: 10pt=3B font-family: 'Verdana'=2C'sans-serif'=3B"></span></p=
>

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Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 13:42:33 -0500
From: Tom Jobes <TJobes@sjrwmd.com>
Subject: RE: BOD in HSPF - mystery

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So the third idea checked out okay - any luck with the first two?

From: Biswarup Guha [mailto:bguha@hydroqual.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 1:57 PM
To: Private list for BASINS users
Subject: RE:[basinsinfo] BOD in HSPF - mystery

Hi Tom,

Don't think I responded your email. Thank you for the hints. I looked at th=
e inflows and outflows and storages and they are consistent.

Biswarup (Roop) Guha, P.E.
Project Engineer
HydroQual, Inc.
mail to: bguha@hydroqual.com<mailto:%20bguha@hydroqual.com>
1200 MacArthur Boulevard
Mahwah, NJ 07430
Phone: 201-529-5151, ext. 7216
Fax: 201-529-5728
________________________________
From: Tom Jobes [TJobes@sjrwmd.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 3:04 PM
To: Private list for BASINS users
Subject: RE:[basinsinfo] BOD in HSPF - mystery
Roop,

Actually, you should be comparing your baseflow concentration with the actu=
al instream BOD concentration, not POTBOD, which includes a fraction of the=
 algae concentration as well.  It seems to me that would actually make your=
 problem worse, not better.

The first thing I'd look at is your assumption that most of the flow is bas=
eflow.  Check the SURO, IFWO, and AGWO components to confirm.  Also, compar=
e the baseflow concentration with the interflow and the effective surface c=
oncentration, to see if there is some sort of dilution.  Finally, look not =
just at concentrations but at all of the inflows and outflows in mass terms=
, so you can construct a total mass balance for BOD in your reach.

Tom Jobes
St Johns River Water Management District
tjobes@sjrwmd.com
W: 386-329-4463
C: 386-937-6341

From: Biswarup Guha [mailto:bguha@hydroqual.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 11:39 AM
To: Private list for BASINS users
Subject: [basinsinfo] BOD in HSPF - mystery

Hi all,

I am having a problem with understanding how the BOD is simulated in HSPF. =
The equations listed in the manual seems to be straight forward but I am ha=
ving difficulty in understanding the results. It would be great if someone =
could share his/her thoughts.

Here's what I am doing:

I assumed that the BOD concentrations which I have to assign to the ground-=
water and interflow to be 10 mg/L (ultimate BOD). During dry period, the fl=
ow is primarily groundwater so I would think that the concentration (POTBOD=
) in the stream is close to 10 mg/L. However, HSPF is calculating values cl=
ose to 3.5 or so. I am using a decay rate (KBOD20=3D0.01 / hr) temperature =
correction coefficient of 1.047, BOD settling rate (KODSET =3D 0.04 ft/hr).=
  For the BOD simulation, the loss terms for BOD would be sinking, decay, b=
enthal oxygen demand. I printed out all the members of OXCF4 (1 - BOD decay=
, 2 - benthal release, 3 - sinking, 4 - denitrification, 5 - phytoplankton,=
 6 - zooplankton, 7 - benthal algae and 8 - total). Their units are lbs/hr.=
 I also printed the VOL and converted the mass to concentration which accou=
nted for approximately 2-3 mg/L. I do not understand where the remaining 4-=
5 mg/L of BOD is getting lost.

I tried a sensitivity decreasing the decay rate and settling rate to 1E-25.=
 It increased the POTBOD to 4-5, but still there's some BOD which is unacco=
unted for.

Am I missing something here? Could you please share your insights?

Thanks,
Roop.

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color:#1F497D'>So the third idea checked out okay &#8211; any luck with the=
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two?<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma=
","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Biswarup Guha
[mailto:bguha@hydroqual.com] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, November 20, 2008 1:57 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Private list for BASINS users<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE:[basinsinfo] BOD in HSPF - mystery<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","=
sans-serif";
color:black'>Hi Tom,</span><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>

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<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","=
sans-serif"'>Don't
think I responded your email. Thank you for the hints. I looked at the infl=
ows
and outflows and storages and they are consistent. </span><o:p></o:p></p>

</div>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>Biswarup (Roop) Guha,=
 P.E.</span>
<o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>Project Engineer</spa=
n> <br>
<span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>HydroQual, Inc.</span> <br>
<span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'><a href=3D"mailto:%20bguha@hydroqual.com">=
mail to:
bguha@hydroqual.com</a></span> <br>
<span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>1200 MacArthur Boulevard</span> <br>
<span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>Mahwah, NJ 07430</span> <br>
<span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>Phone: 201-529-5151, ext. 7216</span> <br>
<span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>Fax: 201-529-5728</span> <o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><span style=3D'font-=
size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style=3D'font-size=
:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Tom Jobes [TJobes@sjrwmd.com]<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, November 13, 2008 3:04 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Private list for BASINS users<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE:[basinsinfo] BOD in HSPF - mystery</span><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",=
"sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Roop,</span><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",=
"sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Actually, you should be comparing your baseflow concentratio=
n
with the actual instream BOD concentration, not POTBOD, which includes a
fraction of the algae concentration as well.&nbsp; It seems to me that woul=
d
actually make your problem worse, not better.</span><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",=
"sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>The first thing I&#8217;d look at is your assumption that mo=
st of the
flow is baseflow.&nbsp; Check the SURO, IFWO, and AGWO components to
confirm.&nbsp; Also, compare the baseflow concentration with the interflow =
and
the effective surface concentration, to see if there is some sort of
dilution.&nbsp; Finally, look not just at concentrations but at all of the
inflows and outflows in mass terms, so you can construct a total mass balan=
ce
for BOD in your reach.</span><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:#24=
4236'>Tom
Jobes</span><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:#24=
4236'>St
Johns River Water Management District</span><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:#24=
4236'>tjobes@sjrwmd.com</span><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:#24=
4236'>W:
386-329-4463</span><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:#24=
4236'>C:
386-937-6341</span><o:p></o:p></p>

</div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>

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0in 0in'>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma=
","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Biswarup Guha
[mailto:bguha@hydroqual.com] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, November 13, 2008 11:39 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Private list for BASINS users<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [basinsinfo] BOD in HSPF - mystery</span><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","s=
ans-serif"'>Hi
all,</span><o:p></o:p></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","s=
ans-serif"'>I
am having a problem with understanding how the BOD is simulated in HSPF. Th=
e
equations listed in the manual seems to be straight forward but I am having
difficulty in understanding the results. It would be great if someone could
share his/her thoughts.</span><o:p></o:p></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","s=
ans-serif"'>Here's
what I am doing:</span><o:p></o:p></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","s=
ans-serif"'>I
assumed that the BOD concentrations which I have to assign to the ground-wa=
ter
and interflow to be 10 mg/L (ultimate BOD).&nbsp;During dry period, the flo=
w is
primarily groundwater so&nbsp;I would think that the concentration (POTBOD)=
 in
the stream is close to 10 mg/L. However, HSPF is calculating values close
to&nbsp;3.5 or so. I am using a decay rate (KBOD20=3D0.01 / hr) temperature
correction coefficient of 1.047, BOD settling rate (KODSET =3D 0.04
ft/hr).&nbsp;&nbsp;For the BOD simulation, the loss terms for BOD would be
sinking, decay, benthal oxygen demand. I printed out all the members
of&nbsp;OXCF4 (1 - BOD decay, 2 - benthal release, 3 - sinking, 4 -
denitrification, 5 - phytoplankton, 6 - zooplankton, 7 - benthal algae and =
8 -
total). Their units are lbs/hr. I also printed the VOL and&nbsp;converted t=
he
mass to concentration which accounted for approximately 2-3 mg/L. I do not
understand where the remaining 4-5 mg/L of BOD is getting lost.</span><o:p>=
</o:p></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","s=
ans-serif"'>I
tried a sensitivity decreasing the decay rate and settling rate to 1E-25. I=
t
increased the POTBOD to 4-5, but still there's some BOD which is unaccounte=
d
for.</span><o:p></o:p></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","s=
ans-serif"'>Am
I missing something here? Could you please share your insights?</span><o:p>=
</o:p></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","s=
ans-serif"'>Thanks,</span><o:p></o:p></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","s=
ans-serif"'>Roop.</span><o:p></o:p></p>

</div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>

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Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 16:49:23 -0500
From: Peter Ko <funeng@videotron.ca>
Subject: RE: Use a different DEM

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Hello Paul,
 
I use Global Mapper for all the conversions. Having worked in 18 countries
around World, I have not met a format which is not supported in Global
Mapper. This $299 program can convert between a myriad of formats of raster
and vector. There is no need to have any extensions. I believe you can even
download a trail version. www.globalmapper.com
 
You would have to tell Global Mapper the format of your 10m DEM when you
open your DEM file, then you have to decide which format do you need to have
your DEM exported to. You can "draw a box" of the area where you want to
export. You can also specify to interpolate small gaps of voids if your DEM
data is not perfect. There is no need to go through TIN, etc., etc.
 
I do not know which DEM format is being used in BASINS. But
MapWindow/Watershed delineation uses only Arc ASCII grid, which is one of
the format supported in GM.
 
Cheers,
Peter

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From: oscar Loli Cardenas [mailto:ololi_cardenas@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 12:44 PM
To: Private list for BASINS users
Subject: RE: [basinsinfo] Use a different DEM


There is the method:

ArcGIS

Menu Tool => Extensions => 3DAnalyst

Rigth click on Toolbar => Editor => Toolbar Editor => Editor => Start
Editing

Arc Toolbox => 3D Analyst Tools => Conversion => From Raster => Raster to
TIN  => Z tolerance 30 more less

Then From Tin => Tin to Raster => Sampling Distance => Cellsize 150 o 100 







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Subject: RE: [basinsinfo] Use a different DEM
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 10:49:19 -0800
From: PPic461@ECY.WA.GOV
To: basinsinfo@lists.epa.gov



Yes. 

 

Here are more details:

 

I have a 10-m DEM that I can access through my ArcMap from our agency
server. I can clip it to the local boundaries and save the clipped file on
my local computer. When I use the "Add Layer" button, BASINS can't see the
server grid file, and it can only import the image file from the clipped
grid. 

 

What's the best way to convert my larger server grid into a small local grid
that BASINS can use?

 

Paul

 

Paul J. Pickett

WA Dept. of Ecology

P.O. Box 47710

Olympia, WA 98504-7710

(360) 407-6882

 

From: oscar Loli Cardenas [mailto:ololi_cardenas@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 10:43 AM
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Subject: RE: [basinsinfo] Use a different DEM

 

You must use arcgis







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Subject: [basinsinfo] Use a different DEM
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 18:06:14 -0800
From: PPic461@ECY.WA.GOV
To: basinsinfo@lists.epa.gov

I have access to a 10-m DEM grid for Washington State that I'd like to use
in BASINS. How do I import from this coverage to a grid file usable in
BASINS?

Paul

Paul J. Pickett

WA Dept. of Ecology

P.O. Box 47710

Olympia, WA 98504-7710

(360) 407-6882

 

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style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: maroon; FONT-FAMILY: =
'Arial','sans-serif'">What&#8217;s=20
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Pickett</SPAN></I></P>
<P class=3DEC_MsoNormal><I><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: purple; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans =
MS'">WA Dept. of=20
Ecology</SPAN></I></P>
<P class=3DEC_MsoNormal><I><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: purple; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans =
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47710</SPAN></I></P>
<P class=3DEC_MsoNormal><I><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: purple; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans =
MS'">Olympia, WA=20
98504-7710</SPAN></I></P>
<P class=3DEC_MsoNormal><I><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: purple; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans =
MS'">(360)=20
407-6882</SPAN></I></P></DIV>
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Loli Cardenas=20
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[basinsinfo] Use a different DEM</SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
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[basinsinfo] Use a different DEM<BR>Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 18:06:14=20
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10-m DEM</SPAN><SPAN=20
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</SPAN><SPAN=20
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</SPAN><SPAN=20
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State that I&#8217;d like to use in BASINS. How do I import from this =
coverage to a=20
grid file usable in BASINS?</SPAN><SPAN=20
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Pickett</SPAN></I><SPAN=20
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MS'">WA Dept. of=20
Ecology</SPAN></I><SPAN=20
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47710</SPAN></I><SPAN=20
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98504-7710</SPAN></I><SPAN=20
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MS'">(360)=20
407-6882</SPAN></I><SPAN=20
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What finally worked...

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In ArcMap I used Data Management/Raster/Clip to create a small grid for
my project area.

In Basins I used GIS Tools/Raster/Reproject to reproject the grid (.img
file) from our agency projection to the UTM projection Basins uses.

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Voila - it's on the map now!

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Paul

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Paul J. Pickett

WA Dept. of Ecology

P.O. Box 47710

Olympia, WA 98504-7710(360) 407-6882

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Subject: RE: [basinsinfo] Use a different DEM
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 10:49:19 -0800
From: PPic461@ECY.WA.GOV
To: basinsinfo@lists.epa.gov

Yes.=20

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Here are more details:

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I have a 10-m DEM that I can access through my ArcMap from our agency
server. I can clip it to the local boundaries and save the clipped file
on my local computer. When I use the "Add Layer" button, BASINS can't
see the server grid file, and it can only import the image file from the
clipped grid.=20

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What's the best way to convert my larger server grid into a small local
grid that BASINS can use?

=20

Paul

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Paul J. Pickett

WA Dept. of Ecology

P.O. Box 47710

Olympia, WA 98504-7710

(360) 407-6882

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Subject: [basinsinfo] Use a different DEM
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 18:06:14 -0800
From: PPic461@ECY.WA.GOV
To: basinsinfo@lists.epa.gov

I have access to a 10-m DEM grid for Washington State that I'd like to
use in BASINS. How do I import from this coverage to a grid file usable
in BASINS?

Paul

Paul J. Pickett

WA Dept. of Ecology

P.O. Box 47710

Olympia, WA 98504-7710

(360) 407-6882

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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color:maroon'>In ArcMap I used Data Management/Raster/Clip to create a =
small
grid for my project area.<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:maroon'>In Basins I used GIS Tools/Raster/Reproject to reproject =
the grid
(.img file) from our agency projection to the UTM projection Basins =
uses.<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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color:maroon'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:maroon'>Voila &#8211; it&#8217;s on the map =
now!<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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color:maroon'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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color:maroon'>Paul<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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color:maroon'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><i><span =
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color:purple'>Paul J. Pickett<o:p></o:p></span></i></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><i><span =
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color:purple'>WA Dept. of Ecology<o:p></o:p></span></i></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><i><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";
color:purple'>P.O. Box 47710<o:p></o:p></span></i></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><i><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";
color:purple'>Olympia, WA 98504-7710(360) =
407-6882<o:p></o:p></span></i></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>Subject: RE: [basinsinfo] Use a =
different
DEM<br>
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 10:49:19 -0800<br>
From: PPic461@ECY.WA.GOV<br>
To: basinsinfo@lists.epa.gov<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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color:maroon'>Yes. </span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p>=
</span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>&nbsp;<o:p>=
</o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:maroon'>Here are more details:</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>&nbsp;<o:p>=
</o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:maroon'>I have a 10-m DEM that I can access through my ArcMap from =
our
agency server. I can clip it to the local boundaries and save the =
clipped file
on my local computer. When I use the &#8220;Add Layer&#8221; button, =
BASINS
can&#8217;t see the server grid file, and it can only import the image =
file
from the clipped grid. </span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p>=
</span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>&nbsp;<o:p>=
</o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:maroon'>What&#8217;s the best way to convert my larger server grid =
into a
small local grid that BASINS can use?</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>&nbsp;<o:p>=
</o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:maroon'>Paul</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p>=
</span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>&nbsp;<o:p>=
</o:p></span></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><i><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";
color:purple'>Paul J. Pickett</span></i><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><i><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";
color:purple'>WA Dept. of Ecology</span></i><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><i><span =
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color:purple'>P.O. Box 47710</span></i><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><i><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";
color:purple'>Olympia, WA 98504-7710</span></i><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><i><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";
color:purple'>(360) 407-6882</span></i><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>&nbsp;<o:p>=
</o:p></span></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
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</b><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> oscar Loli =
Cardenas
[mailto:ololi_cardenas@hotmail.com] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, November 20, 2008 10:43 AM<br>
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Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 18:06:14 -0800<br>
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X-Message-Number: 31
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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 19:39:54 -0000
From: "Mery Apple" <mery@hawaii.edu>
Subject: Available Data and Metadata

Hello BASINS Users,

I have a few questions that I hope someone can help me with.  Some are general 
and some are specific to my dataset (which only Paul may be able to answer).

General Questions:
(1)  How is the PEVT computed?  Is this done using Penman Method?  Is there any 
documentation on how this is done?
(2)  What is the difference between PEVT and Actual ET?

Specific Questions:
1)  When I download data for the island of Oahu, I do not get all the data that 
is available from the NDCD website?  For Example Station HI518945 period of 
record for BASINS downloaded data is 1949 to 1978.  Yet on the NCDC website 
there is data from 1949 to Present.
2)  For Station HI511919, PREC is labeled COMPUTED and PEVT is labeled 
OBSERVED.  Is this correct?

These are a few of my questions.  
Thanks in advance for any help that you may have on these issues.

Happy Holidays,
Mery Apple


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X-Message-Number: 32
X-lyris-Id: 176246
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 13:01:18 -0800 (PST)
From: Lauren Felker <emerson924@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Available Data and Metadata

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Mery,

If you look in the Help section of the WDM utility, I believe it gives you 
information on PEVT. I think it is computed using the Hamon method, which 
requires monthly coefficient values, something I have currently been working on 
finding appropriate values for, for my watershed. PEVT is computed as the 
product of daylength, the coefficient I referred to, as well as saturated water 
vapor density at a certain temperature. Actual evapotranspiration is what the 
model actual simulates based on PEVT and precipitation events, and probably 
some other factors like temperature. Hope that helps!

Lauren




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Subject: [basinsinfo] Available Data and Metadata

Hello BASINS Users,

I have a few questions that I hope someone can help me with.  Some are general 
and some are specific to my dataset (which only Paul may be able to answer).

General Questions:
(1)  How is the PEVT computed?  Is this done using Penman Method?  Is there any 
documentation on how this is done?
(2)  What is the difference between PEVT and Actual ET?

Specific Questions:
1)  When I download data for the island of Oahu, I do not get all the data that 
is available from the NDCD website?  For Example Station HI518945 period of 
record for BASINS downloaded data is 1949 to 1978.  Yet on the NCDC website 
there is data from 1949 to Present.
2)  For Station HI511919, PREC is labeled COMPUTED and PEVT is labeled 
OBSERVED.  Is this correct?

These are a few of my questions.  
Thanks in advance for any help that you may have on these issues.

Happy Holidays,
Mery Apple

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section of the WDM utility, I believe it gives you information on PEVT. I think 
it is computed using the Hamon method, which requires monthly coefficient 
values, something I have currently been working on finding appropriate values 
for, for my watershed. PEVT is computed as the product of daylength, the 
coefficient I referred to, as well as saturated water vapor density at a 
certain temperature. Actual evapotranspiration is what the model actual 
simulates based on PEVT and precipitation events, and probably some other 
factors like temperature. Hope that helps!<br><br>Lauren<br></div><div 
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Metadata<br></font><br>
Hello BASINS Users,<br><br>I have a few questions that I hope someone can help 
me with.&nbsp; Some are general and some are specific to my dataset (which only 
Paul may be able to answer).<br><br>General Questions:<br>(1)&nbsp; How is the 
PEVT computed?&nbsp; Is this done using Penman Method?&nbsp; Is there any 
documentation on how this is done?<br>(2)&nbsp; What is the difference between 
PEVT and Actual ET?<br><br>Specific Questions:<br>1)&nbsp; When I download data 
for the island of Oahu, I do not get all the data that is available from the 
NDCD website?&nbsp; For Example Station HI518945 period of record for BASINS 
downloaded data is 1949 to 1978.&nbsp; Yet on the NCDC website there is data 
from 1949 to Present.<br>2)&nbsp; For Station HI511919, PREC is labeled 
COMPUTED and PEVT is labeled OBSERVED.&nbsp; Is this correct?<br><br>These are 
a few of my questions.&nbsp; <br>Thanks in advance for any help that you may 
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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 22:33:32 -0500
From: "Paul Hummel" <prhummel@aquaterra.com>
Subject: RE: Available Data and Metadata

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Hi Mery,

The PEVT data in BASINS is computed using the Hamon method.

As Lauren noted, there is some documentation of this in the WDMUtil manual.

As for PEVT and other ET terms, I suggest reviewing Tony Donigian's BASINS
list-server posting from 8/3/2004 (if you can't find it let me know and I'll
send it to you - it's a bit long to include here).

Assuming you are accessing the updated met data (through 2006), you can find
updated documentation for it in the latest BASINS documentation (see the
BASINS Data Types and Appendix C entries).

I can check the data processing log files to see what's up with the data for
your station of interest - my guess is that a portion of the data was
omitted due to high percentage of missing data.

PREC data with a scenario of COMPUTED indicates that the hourly values were
developed by disaggregating daily values.

Let me know if you have further questions.

Paul Hummel

AQUA TERRA Consultants

 

 

 

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From: Lauren Felker [mailto:emerson924@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 4:01 PM
To: Private list for BASINS users
Subject: Re: [basinsinfo] Available Data and Metadata

 

Mery,

If you look in the Help section of the WDM utility, I believe it gives you
information on PEVT. I think it is computed using the Hamon method, which
requires monthly coefficient values, something I have currently been working
on finding appropriate values for, for my watershed. PEVT is computed as the
product of daylength, the coefficient I referred to, as well as saturated
water vapor density at a certain temperature. Actual evapotranspiration is
what the model actual simulates based on PEVT and precipitation events, and
probably some other factors like temperature. Hope that helps!

Lauren

 

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From: Mery Apple <mery@hawaii.edu>
To: Private list for BASINS users <basinsinfo@lists.epa.gov>
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 2:39:54 PM
Subject: [basinsinfo] Available Data and Metadata

Hello BASINS Users,

I have a few questions that I hope someone can help me with.  Some are
general and some are specific to my dataset (which only Paul may be able to
answer).

General Questions:
(1)  How is the PEVT computed?  Is this done using Penman Method?  Is there
any documentation on how this is done?
(2)  What is the difference between PEVT and Actual ET?

Specific Questions:
1)  When I download data for the island of Oahu, I do not get all the data
that is available from the NDCD website?  For Example Station HI518945
period of record for BASINS downloaded data is 1949 to 1978.  Yet on the
NCDC website there is data from 1949 to Present.
2)  For Station HI511919, PREC is labeled COMPUTED and PEVT is labeled
OBSERVED.  Is this correct?

These are a few of my questions.  
Thanks in advance for any help that you may have on these issues.

Happy Holidays,
Mery Apple

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
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data (through 2006), you can find updated documentation for it in the =
latest
BASINS documentation (see the BASINS Data Types and Appendix C =
entries).<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I can check the data processing log =
files
to see what&#8217;s up with the data for your station of interest =
&#8211; my guess
is that a portion of the data was omitted due to high percentage of =
missing
data.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>PREC data with a scenario of =
COMPUTED
indicates that the hourly values were developed by disaggregating daily =
values.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
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Hummel<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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style=3D'font-size:
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Consultants<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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Lauren Felker
[mailto:emerson924@yahoo.com] <br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, November =
24, 2008
4:01 PM<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Private list for =
BASINS users<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [basinsinfo]
Available Data and Metadata</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>Mery,<br>
<br>
If you look in the Help section of the WDM utility, I believe it gives =
you
information on PEVT. I think it is computed using the Hamon method, =
which
requires monthly coefficient values, something I have currently been =
working on
finding appropriate values for, for my watershed. PEVT is computed as =
the
product of daylength, the coefficient I referred to, as well as =
saturated water
vapor density at a certain temperature. Actual evapotranspiration is =
what the
model actual simulates based on PEVT and precipitation events, and =
probably
some other factors like temperature. Hope that helps!<br>
<br>
Lauren<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
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face=3DTahoma><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> Mery =
Apple
&lt;mery@hawaii.edu&gt;<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Private list for =
BASINS users
&lt;basinsinfo@lists.epa.gov&gt;<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, November =
24, 2008
2:39:54 PM<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [basinsinfo] =
Available
Data and Metadata<br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial'><br>
Hello BASINS Users,<br>
<br>
I have a few questions that I hope someone can help me with.&nbsp; Some =
are
general and some are specific to my dataset (which only Paul may be able =
to
answer).<br>
<br>
General Questions:<br>
(1)&nbsp; How is the PEVT computed?&nbsp; Is this done using Penman
Method?&nbsp; Is there any documentation on how this is done?<br>
(2)&nbsp; What is the difference between PEVT and Actual ET?<br>
<br>
Specific Questions:<br>
1)&nbsp; When I download data for the <st1:place =
w:st=3D"on"><st1:PlaceType
 w:st=3D"on">island</st1:PlaceType> of <st1:PlaceName =
w:st=3D"on">Oahu</st1:PlaceName></st1:place>,
I do not get all the data that is available from the NDCD website?&nbsp; =
For
Example Station HI518945 period of record for BASINS downloaded data is =
1949 to
1978.&nbsp; Yet on the NCDC website there is data from 1949 to =
Present.<br>
2)&nbsp; For Station HI511919, PREC is labeled COMPUTED and PEVT is =
labeled
OBSERVED.&nbsp; Is this correct?<br>
<br>
These are a few of my questions.&nbsp; <br>
Thanks in advance for any help that you may have on these issues.<br>
<br>
Happy Holidays,<br>
Mery Apple<br>
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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 11:24:49 -0700
From: "Korb, Liz" <lkorb@BrwnCald.com>
Subject: Filling in missing data in wdm

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I have two sets of precipitation data at nearby sites but both have
significant chunks of missing data. What is the best method in WDMUtil
to fill in the missing data from one data set with the other data set?

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Liz Korb

Water Resources Engineer
Brown and Caldwell, Seattle=20

701 Pike Street, Suite 1200

Seattle, WA 98101
Direct Phone: 206.749.2884=20

Main Phone: 206.624.0100
Fax: 206.749.2200=20
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
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but
both have significant chunks of missing data. What is the best method in
WDMUtil to fill in the missing data from one data set with the other =
data set?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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style=3D'color:blue'><br>
</span></font><font color=3Dmaroon><span style=3D'color:maroon'>Brown =
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w:insDate=3D"2008-11-25T10:22:00Z"
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Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 15:20:40 -0700
From: "Korb, Liz" <lkorb@BrwnCald.com>
Subject: computed and observed met data

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I have three sets of met data at the same station. The first I purchased
from the NCDC and the other two are observed and calculated data sets
from BASINS. The purchased data has large chunks of missing data
(several months at a time). The observed BASINS data has precipitation
during those time periods but it is not the same as the computed BASINS
data during those time periods. How does BASINS obtain/calculate data
for these missing time periods and why is not the same as the computed
data?

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701 Pike Street, Suite 1200

Seattle, WA 98101
Direct Phone: 206.749.2884=20

Main Phone: 206.624.0100
Fax: 206.749.2200=20
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>I have three sets of met data at the same station. =
The first
I purchased from the NCDC and the other two are observed and calculated =
data
sets from BASINS. The purchased data has large chunks of missing data =
(several
months at a time). The observed BASINS data has precipitation during =
those time
periods but it is not the same as the computed BASINS data during those =
time
periods. How does BASINS obtain/calculate data for these missing time =
periods
and why is not the same as the computed =
data?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>-Liz <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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 w:insAuthor=3D"lkorb" w:insDate=3D"2008-11-26T14:14:00Z" =
w:endInsAuthor=3D"lkorb"
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  w:insDate=3D"2008-11-26T14:14:00Z" w:endInsAuthor=3D"lkorb"
  w:endInsDate=3D"2008-11-26T14:14:00Z"><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:
  black'>Water </span></font></ns0:place></ns0:State><font =
color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'>Resources Engineer</span></font><font =
color=3Dblue><span
style=3D'color:blue'><br>
</span></font><font color=3Dmaroon><span style=3D'color:maroon'>Brown =
and Caldwell,
</span></font><ns0:City w:insAuthor=3D"lkorb" =
w:insDate=3D"2008-11-26T14:14:00Z"
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w:endInsDate=3D"2008-11-26T14:14:00Z"><ns0:place
  w:insAuthor=3D"lkorb" w:insDate=3D"2008-11-26T14:14:00Z" =
w:endInsAuthor=3D"lkorb"
  w:endInsDate=3D"2008-11-26T14:14:00Z"><font color=3Dmaroon><span
  =
style=3D'color:maroon'>Seattle</span></font></ns0:place></ns0:City></span=
></font></b><font
size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3D"Lucida Bright"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><st1:Street w:st=3D"on"><st1:address =
w:st=3D"on"><strong><b><font
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  font-family:"Lucida Bright";color:maroon'>701 Pike Street, Suite =
1200</span></font></b></strong></st1:address></st1:Street><o:p></o:p></p>=


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w:st=3D"on"><strong><b><font
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g><b><font
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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
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w:st=3D"on">WA</st1:State>
 <st1:PostalCode =
w:st=3D"on">98101</st1:PostalCode></span></font></b></strong></st1:place>=
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size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3D"Lucida Bright"><span =
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Antiqua"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Book =
Antiqua";color:black;font-weight:
bold'>Direct Phone: 206.749.2884</span></font></b><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dblue
face=3D"Lucida Bright"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Bright";
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face=3D"Book Antiqua"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Book Antiqua";color:black'>Main =
Phone: 206.624.0100</span></font></b></strong><font
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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
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Antiqua"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Book =
Antiqua";color:black;font-weight:
bold'>Fax: 206.749.2200</span></font></b><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue
face=3D"Lucida Bright"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Bright";
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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Book =
Antiqua";color:blue;font-weight:bold'><a
href=3D"mailto:lkorb@brwncald.com" =
title=3D"mailto:mthullen@brwncald.com"><font
color=3Dblack title=3D"mailto:mthullen@brwncald.com"><span
title=3D"mailto:mthullen@brwncald.com"><span =
style=3D'color:black'>lkorb@brwncald.com</span></span></font></a></span><=
/font></b><b><font
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t
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X-Message-Number: 36
X-lyris-Id: 176346
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 23:36:49 -0500
From: jvandyke@ectinc.com
Subject: computed and observed met data

I will be out of the office on Wednesday (November 26,  2008), returning on 
Monday (December 1, 2008).




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