Minutes of the
                   Mailers' Technical Advisory Committee
                                
                              December 15, 1994



Mr. John Wargo welcomed the members and introduced the Postmaster 
General, Marvin Runyon.

Mr. Runyon began by expressing appreciation to MTAC member for 
facing the serious issues of the last year head on, and for offering 
good advice and strong support.

He stated that the recent rate increase, in general supported by 
the governing board, was modest and would meet the financial needs 
of the Postal Service.  He noted that the financial results of the 
year were positive, much better than predicted, mainly because of 
increased productivity and increased mail volumes.

There was, he said, a cloud on the financial horizon in the 
form of legislation that could require prefunding retiree health
benefits.  He reported that the cost of the prefunding proposal
could be $11.6 billion, forcing the Postal Service to immediately
seek another rate increase of about 6 percent, and putting off
the timing of the reclassification case.  Mr. Runyon said that a
group of mailers were contacting their representatives to express
their opposition to this proposal.

During the new year, Mr. Runyon said, the Postal Service
would continue to pursue financial and service improvements.
Other 1995 objectives include an effort to increase the business
management flexibility of the Postal Service, including the
ability to respond to competitive challenges quickly and
effectively; the ability to introduce new products and seek new
markets; and the ability to effectively manage postal employees,
to reward those who excel and to deal properly with those who do
not.

In response to a question, Mr. Runyon explained that "privatization" 
could be defined in many ways.  Some good, some bad.  He said that 
steps to be more commercial and more competitive would be appropriate, 
but that a wholesale conversion to a private enterprise would not be 
good for the American people.

On the subject of wage negotiations, Mr. Runyon said that the current 
negotiation process is badly broken, leaving important system-wide 
decisions in the hands of a third party.  He said the offer the Postal 
Service made to the unions represented a fair, reasonable wage, and 
that the organization would work to hold the line on costs because 
there are no funds for increases.

Concerning the rate increase that would result from the prefunding 
proposal, Mr. Runyon felt the American public would not understand 
or accept a "stamp tax."  He said mailers have told him they intend 
to convey the impact on their companies, wages, jobs and so on, of 
such legislation to their Representatives.

Mr. William Henderson, Chief Operating Officer, underlined
the urgency relating to the pending legislation, and that once
such a package was developed and gained momentum, it can be very
difficult to redirect it.  Therefore, he said, timely action is
needed.

On the positive side, Mr. Henderson noted that the fall
season was going well, with higher volumes, and very tight
observation of activities through the National Control Center.
An increase in net income is anticipated, he said, although there
is some concern about a decrease in volume related to the rate
increase, which hopefully will be a temporary phenomenon.

The flats automation process is under full steam, which demonstrates 
the commitment to automation in all aspects of the Postal Service.

In response to questions, Mr. Henderson observed that the
relationship between the Postal Service and the Postal Rate
Commission had improved, but that further improvements in
communications and understanding was in order.  The PRC, he said,
was clearly committed to the success of the Postal Service in its
various projects.

Concerning various suggestions related to privatization (like freeing 
third class from the rate process), Mr. Henderson suggested that most 
ideas would be discussed in various forums, but that a "pick-and-choose" 
approach would probably not work.

Mr. Norman Lorentz, Vice President, Quality, explained that
he had been with the Postal Service for five months, employed to
focus on quality control systems and processes.  He said he
accepted the position because he could tell clearly that the
Postmaster General and those in top management were absolutely
committed to improving service.  In addition, he said he
discovered that the employees, as a whole, were similarly
inclined.

In the first phase of his work, Mr. Lorentz ascertained that
the quality processes were in place but were inconsistent, and
that data was somewhat difficult to come by, available in some
areas, rarer in others.

About current activities, a team is in place to develop customer-
focused, internally actionable indicators which allows identity of 
cause and effect of specific actions.  Although it is fairly easy to 
identify service factors, it is important to identify external factors 
which relate specifically to the service, and that requires management 
tools to achieve a consistency.  Mr. Lorentz added that, although not 
vying for the prestigious award, the Postal Service was applying the 
standards of the Malcolm Balderidge Award to management as a benchmark 
for quality of service, focusing first on the first class mail process.

During discussion, Mr. Lorentz expanded on the importance of
identifying the "actionable" indicators.  Responding to a comment
about a public opinion poll which placed USPS at a low level of
service, Mr. Lorentz reminded the members that such polls define
"perception", which includes much more than just the quality of
service.  Nonetheless, he said, such a public perception is
important as a part of the combination of factors that provide a
basis for devloping a quality assurance program.

Historically, a member noted, service breakdown had resulted
from two causes, a real breakdown of processes and a cover-up by
management of the breakdown.  Mr. Lorentz agreed that both are
the result of a lack of a quality assurance program that would
see problems as "gems" of opportunity.  If management understands
that problems are opportunities rather than career risks, both
can be dealt with.

Asked about when service indicators from the EX2C and EX3C would 
be available, Mr. Lorentz said that the team involved will have a 
recommendation in the first calendar quarter of 1995.  One important 
issue is sharing data with the customer but not the competition.

Finally, Mr. Lorentz assured the members that senior management has 
promised sufficient budget to accomplish the total quality control 
program.

Mr. Wargo recognized the service contribution of a number of
departing members including David Allen (Sears Merchandise
Group), Jerry Loftus (Bell and Howell).  He also recognized
several retiring sub-committee co-chairs, including Joan Rau
(First Class), Bill Armistead (Third Class) and Sig Guthman (ABC
Ad Hoc Group).

He then expressed appreciation to Bill David, outgoing Industry 
Chair, presenting him with a clock and a caricature signed by 
senior members of MTAC and the Postal Service.

After a brief recess, Mr. David introduced Gene Del Polito (AMMA) 
who commented on the pending legislation.  He explained that 
materials had been prepared for distribution and would be immediately 
available.

Mr. Ted Russell introduced the agenda item concerning service issues.

Mr. Bob Sheehan described the actions taken to plan for the
fall season rush.  He noted that the BMC performance had thus far
been excellent, and that the BMC annexes that were in place for
the rush would remain in place for the most part.  He presented a
series of figures that showed that, almost across the board,
volume and service efficiency numbers were up from the last year.
Among them, he showed that fourth class volume was up 21 percent,
third class up 9 percent, primary parcels up 5 percent, sacks up
5 percent, non-machinables up 5 percent and cross dock up 10
percent.

Looking at vans, he said, the negative numbers showed the
improvement in usage: vans on hand at start of operation down 31
percent, plan failures down 52 percent, vans around more than 24
hours (part of the failure issue) down 87 percent, and remarkably
those there over 48 hours are almost nonexistent, down 98
percent.

These numbers, Mr. Sheehan said, show a sustained improvement, 
especially when looked at in a line chart.

The next issue to be addressed, he said, are drop ship appointments, 
which are currently under-used considering the advantage to both 
Postal Service and client.  Nonetheless, the appointments are up about 
50 percent.  In general, "no shows" are relatively light.

Finally, Mr. Sheehan said the monitoring of service would continue 
through the end of the year, service would be maintained including 
many units working through the holiday weekend, and a "post mortem" 
would be held immediately after the year to judge the effectiveness 
of the service plan.  Units should cooperate with major mailers who 
need to meet midnight December 31 deadlines.

Asked about the reasons for the dramatic improvement in service, 
Mr. Sheehan gave credit to senior and middle management getting 
behind the plan and supporting the operations at the BMC level which, 
given that support, delivered for the customer.

Mr. Russell observed that the current service level would be
used as a benchmark for future plans.  He asked if the industry
forecasts should be developed earlier in 1995, since that
information in 1994 was valuable in the planning process.

Mr. Frank Auer described the National Control Center operation.  
Besides the internal information systems available to it, its 
purpose includes listening to the customer more efficiently and 
to develop information and action on a cross-function basis.  This 
serves to better inform management and customers and to "flatten" 
the organization with such exchange of information.

Acting as an "ear" across functions adds to the validity of
information gathered from many sources, and enhances rapid
response to problems which may be discovered.  To this end, Mr.
Auer said, a Periodic Service Status Report, which asks service-
related questions of clients through their account managers, is
solicited on a periodic basis.  The NCC can add that information
to its data base for analysis, but also acts specifically on the
individual needs of the respondent.

Mr. Russell described a team of MTAC volunteers who offered
to spend some time in USPS plants learning about the process of
moving the mail and to look for bottlenecks that may prevent
efficiency.  Both BMC facilities and customers benefit from such
visits, especially when customers witness their own products
being processed.  Information from such visits should be provided
to the NCC and recommendations for improvements communicated
through the appropriate MTAC subcommittee.

Ms. Yvonne Reigle, Industry Chair, rose to recognize Joe Schick 
and Ted Russell for participating in the fall season planning process.

She introduced Gail Sonnenberg, Vice President, Marketing
Systems, who provided additional written information about the
pending legislation.  Ms. Sonnenberg explained that, depending on
the way the legislation was written, the increase in rates could
be in the area of a .35 first class stamp, a 9.4 percent
increase, which would mean a second and third class increase of
22 percent.

Mr. Hank Cleffi, Manager, Mailing Standards, then discussed
the rate implementation set for January 1.  He explained that
immediately after the December 12 acceptance, under protest, by
the Board of Governors, the Postal Service set in motion the
processes by which the various offices around the country would
have rate information to disseminate to customers.  Complete
information, in traditional format, should be available just
before the rates increase, since relevant Postal Bulletins are
scheduled to be shipped just after Christmas.  He mentioned that
there were rate implementation coordinators in the Areas and
Districts who could assist mailers in getting rate information
and mailing statements.

Mr. Charles McBride, Manager, Reclassification, making the
assumption that the reclassification filing will proceed in late
January, expressed appreciation for the working group
contributions, some of which will be handled in the filing,
others in the "notice and comments" procedures.

He mentioned a new working group formed to address specific
proposals for the preferred rate subclasses (e.g., nonprofits).
Concerning recommendations by the group, there will be a market
survey for nonprofit third class, and the reclassification
proposal will contain the same requirements for third class for
both nonprofits and others.   The working group is presently
addressing preferred-rate second class.

There is a staff team of pricing, costing, and volume forecasting 
experts preparing testimony for the reclassification filing, 
scheduled for late January.  However, the plan calls for adopting 
the Commission's forecast of FY 95 cost, volumes and revenues as a 
starting point for forecasting results after reclassification occurs.  
Any changes in this approach could require extra time.  Additionally, 
the market surveys and cost studies are incomplete and any surprises 
may cause delays.

In response to questions, Mr. McBride said that several proposals 
for other mail classes would be prepared for future filings, the 
timing of which would be controlled somewhat by the personnel 
resources required for each filing.  The plan for the January filing 
is to maintain contribution neutrality within each current subclass.

Mr. Wargo gave a follow-up report on the Account Management
Program.  He told the members that Mr. Henderson, and the Area
Vice Presidents, in response to the MTAC Ad Hoc Subcommittee
recommendations, have expanded the program to more customers.  In
addition to the 200 National Accounts, the program will be
implemented at the District level to the next largest 5,000
customers which will be designated as Premier Accounts.  Mr.
Wargo will continue to work with Yvonne Reigle as co-chairs of
the ad hoc group in determining customer needs for further
development and expansion of the program.

Ms. Reigle closed the meeting by emphasizing the urgency to
respond to the health benefits legislation, perhaps even with a
CEO meeting to initiate face-to-face contact with legislators.
She added that new issues must be submitted before Friday,
February 10th, although earlier notice allows more time for
preparation.
               
               
               MTAC First-Class Mail Subcommittee
                       December 14, 1994
                       Meeting Minutes
                       
1. Update on 1995 Stamp Status with New Rates - All of the 
G-Series stamp stock was stored at the Kansas City, Missouri
national stamp depository until the USPS began to distribute
the stock in anticipation of the current rate increase. In
October, the USPS began moving the "G" stock to ten pre-
positioning sites around the country and by the end of
November, distribution was completed to all pre-positioning
sites. Pre-positioning sites began shipping a "first wave"
of "G" stock to stamp distribution offices (SDOs) in early
November and by December 6, all SDOs had received "G" stock
for subsequent distribution to post offices, stations and
branches. SDOs completed distribution to all post offices,
stations and branches making "G" stock available at all
facilities as of December 12 and "G" stock was placed on
sale on Tuesday, December 13.

Distribution of the "second wave" of "G" stock from pre-
positioning sites to SDOs was initiated on December 14 and
will continue as space becomes available at SDOs to
accommodate the new stock. A back up supply of "G" stock
will be provided to the six Accountable Paper Depositories
(APDs) to accommodate the additional needs of the SDOs. "G"
stock items available at all post offices are:
          "G" prime rate stamps $0.32 - sheets of 100 and
              booklets of l0
          "G" make up rate stamps - $0.03 - sheets of 100
              and booklets of 20
          "G" post card rate stamps - $0.20 - sheets of 100
              and booklets of 18
          "G" prime rate - $0.32 - coils of 100
          
Some "G" items will be distributed to APDs of SDOs only, to
be ordered by post offices that have a need for these items.
These include:
          "G" prime rate - ATM sheetlets of 18 (only
              distributed to SDOs that serve banks in the
              ATM program)
          "G" prime rate - coils of 500, 3000, 10,000
          "G" First-Class Presort - coils of 500, 3000
          "G" prime rate OMAS - coils of 100
          
A copy of the stamps is attached to the minutes.
Actual rated stamps will become available in approximately
ninety days.

2. Marketing Trends in Hard Copy Messaging - The discussion
focused on the Correspondence and Transaction Strategic
Business Plan concerning the strategy to defend against
diversion of the mail. The idea is to promote the enduring
value of hard copy mail. An example of the competition
advertising was presented which showed AT&T's positioning of
postcards which you did not have to mail. This was followed
with a video showing the value and long life expectancy of
the hard copy mail. The Crane stationary advertisement was
also shown which is an example of the value of personal
letters.

The Postal Service is scheduled to begin promotion of hard
copy communications by focusing on the value of paper, group
events and literacy. Ads will promote the value of mail in
conjunction with electronic communications.
                              
3. Update on Service Performance - Quarter IV data (May to
September, 1994) was presented and indicated a notable
improvement. The results indicated the following:
     Service Standard         % on-time      % one Day Late
Tail of Mail
     Over Night     82.6      10.4           7.0
     Two Day        74.4      14.6           11.8
     Three Day      78.6      11.8           9.6
For 1994 in total, the on time performance was 8l.9%-Over
night: 72.5%-Two Day; and 75.1%. Three Day

Customer Satisfaction Index indicated that 85% of the
responses for 1994 indicated that the customers rated
service Excellent, Very good or good. This compares to 89%
rating in 1993.

The fair to poor service rating for 1994 was 15% as compared
to 11% for 1993.

4. Direction and Priorities of Operation Design - The
general update emphasized the importance of integration
within the Postal Service and the important role played by
customer involvement. The critical questions which are asked
are how the programs effect the customer at the beginning
and the end.

Currently the redesign group is looking at BRMAS and
CRM/Remittance systems. Focus groups have been conducted
with remittance mailers and will be conducted within the
organization to look for commonalties in operations and
services we provide. The key element is that the redesign
group structure is now in place and can begin working with
product management to support such programs as electronic
manifesting.

The Redesign Group would like to participate in the March
MTAC meeting to discuss more significant actions that will
have taken place.

5. Update from November 21 Remittance Meeting - The
discussion focused on the background of the meeting and the
seven expectations remittance mailers have of the Postal
Service. It also focused on the five action items which were
identified at the November meeting. All this information is
attached to the minutes.

The significant outcome of the MTAC discussion was to
identify the industry leader and small working committee
willing to work with Postal Operations managers to
immediately begin to address the issues of remittance
mailers. The industry leader will be Mury Salls, Chairman of
the First-Class Mail Subcommittee.  His address and
telephone numbers are:
               Mury Salls
               International Billing Services
               5220 Robert J. Mathews Parkway
               El Dorado Hills, CA  95762-5712
               Telephone (916) 939-4896 Fax (916) 939-4777







The Postal Service was asked to identify an Operations
Senior Manager who would champion this effort. A
recommendation was Vice President of Operations. The Postal
Service Operations person who will work with the customers
and the field will be:
               Tony Bonanno
               Field Intervention Team
               425 L'Enfant Plaza SW
               U. S. Postal Service
               Washington, DC 20260-2405
               Telephone (202) 268-4219   Fax (202) 268-4555

The Postal Service MTAC First-Class Mail Coordinator will
work with Tony Bonanno and Mury Salls in support of the
meetings and working group.  He is:
               Al Kellert
               Sales
               475 L'Enfant Plaza SW  Room 5540
               U. S. Postal Service
               Washington, DC  20260-2400
               Telephone (202) 268-2259 Fax (202) 268-5193

Members of the industry working group will be contacted by
Mury Salls to set up the initial working meeting with the
Postal Service.



Yvonne Reigle
Acting Chair


                            MTAC
                  SECOND-CLASS SUBCOMMITTEE
                      December 14, 1994

Charles Pace, Chairman
John Dorsey, USPS Coordinator

Introduction

Charles Pace opened the meeting by welcoming new attendees.

Overview of Outbound International Mail

David Alvino, USPS International/Military Mail Operations,
opened his presentation with a list of destinations from
each outbound Postal processing plant and the frequency and
transit times of international shipments from each (handout
attached).  About 75 percent of international shipments
depart from the New Jersey International Bulk and Foreign
Mail Center and 25 percent from Oakland/San Francisco.  He
also provided a list showing the exchange offices that
handle each country.  Some countries are reached through the
transit services of other countries, for example, Albania is
shipped via Greece.  David commented that the T-4 Handbook
which shows the labeling lists is currently out of date and
will be updated soon.  The transportation is contracted on a
container service basis.  Responding to questions, David
explained that the transit times are based on the contracted
service.  The transit time is from the outbound pier to the
port of the destination country.  Publishers who have
problems with shipments to foreign countries can telephone
David Alvino on (202) 268-6033.

Publications sent to APOs/FPOs That No Longer Exist

John Dorsey introduced the problem the Postal Service is
having with large volumes of publications being sent to
APOs/FPOs that no longer exist.  Postal Operations in New
Jersey are processing about 20,000 pieces of undeliverable
2C and 3C, requiring ten people per day to handle.  They do
a lookup of the publisher and address to return 2-C
magazines (30 percent) to publishers with irregularity
reports.  About 70 percent of the volume is 3-C catalogs,
which are thrown away if they do not have address change
endorsements.  John suggested that we may have to consider
making the optional address matching for the APO/FPO
portions of lists mandatory to cleanup the problem.  At a
minimum, we need widespread communication of the problem
throughout the publishing and advertising mail related
associations.  Major Robert Deese and Master Chief Steven
Byington, Military Postal Service Administration --
Pentagon, shared all the efforts of the past two years to
move the military addressing into a standardized address
structure in order to take advantage of automation.  They
have assigned a simpler unit number for military addresses,
getting rid of the old Division, Brigade, Battalion, etc.,
style of addresses.  They are entering these new unit number
addresses directly into the postal AMS directory file. They
are assigning carrier routes for each group of 400-500
boxes.  They have also set up NCOA operations in Germany,
Korea and Spain to handle address changes more
expeditiously.  For more information on military addresses,
Master Chief Steven Byington can be telephoned at (703) 325-
9505 or 9408.

Supplements and Enclosures Moving Toward Final Rule

Jerry Lease, USPS Business Mail Entry, reported that about
27 responses were received in connection with the September
closing of the Federal Register notice on supplements and
enclosures.  In about two weeks a final rule will be
published in the Federal Register with a possible February
1, 1995 effective date.  Publishers were advised not to plan
anything new in issues around that date as internal Postal
reviews could cause shifts in the effective date.  Alixe,
Johnson, USPS Business Mail Entry, described highlights of
the final rule to be announced.  The 25 percent rule has
been retained as in the current supplement/enclosure
requirements.  The new rule also includes clearer language
regarding "Supplement To..." being required on supplements
outside of newspapers in a wrapper.  Alixe also highlighted
the addition of a USPS number as well as an ISSN or ISBN
number to the list of criteria for non eligibility for 2-C
rates.  Sheets making use of "novel" devices (batteries)
producing lights or music are added to exclusions, while
other fasteners such as grommets, rubber bands, etc., will
be allowed by the new rules.  Use of products and product
samples have been relaxed some with respect to when an item
is a printed sheet.  There is also a section that mentions
that issues may include annual reports and directories, in
addition to buyer's guides.  The final rule will be written
in the same format as the proposed rule.

Review and Verification of Circulation

Ed Wronski, USPS RCSC - New York, described that the Postal
Service has attempted to separate the eligibility portion of
verifications from the postage or revenue part.  The
proposed rule will set a number of records that have to be
checked and once eligibility has been reached the review can
stop.  The new process has been tested in the New York areas
and reviewed by management.  One last level of internal
reviews are due and then training of postal personnel will
be conducted on the Postal Satellite Training Network.  In
response to questions, it was announced that four
organizations will be authorized by the USPS to do audits.
The ABC, BPA and, VAC and CAC, two new organizations will be
published in a Postal Bulletin as soon as the two new
organizations have had final clearances.  A question was
asked regarding the retention of publisher records.  DMM
E216.1.3 states that the publisher must keep records for
each issue of a publication for 3 years from its issue date,
except for records for any year for which postal
verification is performed by a USPS-authorized audit bureau.
A publisher whose records are verified by an authorized
audit bureau is not required to keep source records of
requests and subscriptions longer than required by the audit
bureau.

Policy, Requirements and Methods (PRM) Group Report

Bill Strong, Crain Communications, reported on the Tuesday,
December 13 meeting of the PRM Group, a work group of
smaller circulation publishers and short-run printers.  Bill
reported that the members of the group are very dedicated to
making change as demonstrated by the fact that many travel
to PRM meetings even though they cannot stay for the
following MTAC meetings.  The biggest break-through for the
group is their representation of work by the Postal Service
to propose new rules that will simplify the documentation
requirements for copalletizing.  This has been a significant
barrier to short-run printers being able to offer their
publisher clients the option to place packages of multiple
titles on the same pallet.  USPS is going to draft a rule
change for this revision to replace existing documentation
requirements for copalletizing.  This can be expected to
occur in the January time frame.  Bill also mentioned that
the PRM Group has advocated new pallet rules that may
include the option for 250 pound minimum weight pallets to
the 3 digit and maybe even SCF levels.  Bill shared some
ideas that came from the meeting including, the use of Sitma
equipment that can be configured to do combining of
publications into packages at a more affordable investment
than some of the larger scale combining equipment.  Bill
reminded that the group remains committed to finding ways to
take costs out of the 2C system and improve service in the
process.

Second-Class Service Issues

Jim Cunningham, USPS Operations Support, introduced himself
as a person who has worked closely with and learned 2C
operations from Joe Kaczka in New York and Harry Stanley,
(retired).  Jim is a team leader in the Distribution
Networks areas of Operations which involves labeling, mail
make-up, drop shipping, and policy on facility sorting.  Jim
suggested that he can serve the group in several ways.  He
could look at data provided on service trends -- no data
received to date.  He can also share information on the
operating status of USPS and use the Control Center to spot
problem areas.  Jim described that, as is typical of this
season, there is delayed mail in the system but the trend
since last spring is one of improvement.  He would prefer to
take a systemic approach to problem solving which usually
has lasting results, rather than the Band-Aid approach.  It
was suggested that Jim and a few publishers get together to
decide what would be the most useful format for publishers
to submit data.  Jim agreed to this step to make future
service data sharing more actionable and suggested other
postal organizations related to service issues could be
brought into the process.

Computer Model Demonstration

Peter Moore, representing PIA, demonstrated a computer model
that allows evaluation of alternative rate scenarios for
publications with different sort levels circulation sizes,
weight, advertising content and other rate determining
factors.  He suggested that this would be a useful tool for
evaluating the best rate outcome for publications in
response to the proposed reclassifications for a
Publications Service.  It was observed that, for example,
circulation size alone, may not always be a reliable
determinant for eligibility or rate advantage from
reclassification rates viewpoint.

Status -- CD-ROM/Diskette Eligibility for 2-C

John Dorsey reported that, following much analysis of the
issue, the Postal Service has decided not to seek
reclassifications actions to allow second-class eligibility
of CD-ROM and diskette based publications.  The impact on
second-class overhead could be significant to provide for
verifications of content with equipment and systems in
hundreds of acceptance units.  The USPS will continue to
work toward favorable service and price combinations to
assure competitive delivery of these products in other
classifications.

Update on Publications Watch Redesign/Testing

Jim Strong reported that the testing of the new Publications
Watch concept (PRESS) would begin in January and continue
for a 60 day period.  Twenty publisher representatives have
received training and will participate in the test.  Several
weeks delay have resulted from software development.
Testing is expected to begin in about 2 weeks.  Once the
testing is complete, the Postal Service will decide on the
final implementation.  Final plans will depend on test
results.


Charles L. Pace
Chairman



              Third Class Subcommittee Meeting
                      December 13, 1994

Industry Chair:     Daniel J. Minnick
USPS Coordinator:   Jean Li Rogers


Drop Shipment Appointment System
Joel Rosen, Processing and Distribution Policy and Programs,
described the implementation and enhancements of DSAS since
the last MTAC meeting.  The testing with postal users and
mailers began in October.  There are now over 150 mailers
who make appointments electronically.  Mailers may also
continue to make appointments by phone.  The USPS contact
will integrate that information into DSAS.  General DSAS
appointment features include, on-line entry, batch entry,
delivery acceptance feedback, available slots customized by
local facilities within national parameters, four types of
appointment category (pallet, sack, bedload, express), one-
time entry of standing appointments and the integration of
PIP (perishable products) loads into the system.

These enhancements resulted in improved response time, fewer
phone calls, expanded opportunity for making appointments,
improved adherence to schedules and established procedures
to notifying the USPS of late-arriving mail.  The Plant
Verified Drop Shipment Program also established procedures
for constructive response for those chronically misusing the
appointment scheduling system, no shows, late arrival,
unscheduled arrival or frequent cancellations.  Tracking of
these exceptions to good performance may lead to suspension
of electronic access, in specific cases (see attached), to
prevent the loss of the system's benefits for the industry
and the USPS.

Electronic scheduling will continue to be prohibited within
24 hours prior to the intended arrival.  However, this is
being revised.  In the interim, local units have discretion
on these "same day" appointments.

The MTAC members thanked Joel, and his group, for quickly
developing this promising tool in response to the industry's
interest.

Mailing Facilities Liability upon Client's Default of Postal
Payment

Lee Epstein pointed out the inconsistency of the USPS'
policy regarding mailing agent's (printers, lettershops)
postage liability.  The policy states the mailing agents are
not held liable; however, the next paragraph in the DMM
state the USPS has the right to review and, if appropriate,
hold the mailing agent liable for the defaulted amount.

At the very least, the industry would like a clarification
that if the mail owner's permit is used, then the mailing
agent it not liable.  Dan Minnick and Lee Epstein will
pursue a resolution prior to the next MTAC meeting.

Carrier Route Minimum for Destination Entry Mailings
Mail preparers are encountering an aggravating, and yet
postage insignificant problem created by the segmentation
incorporated into mailings by Destination Entry.  Cheryl
Beller described the problem of rate determination when
there are inconsistent definitions of what constitutes a
mailing.  Within the DMM, ":mailing" is a pivotal criteria
for many determinations.

Cheryl indicated that the toughest obstacle, however, was
the circumstance of carrier route minimums having been
defined in the Domestic Mail Classification Schedule, not
the DMM as are virtually all other presort criteria.
Therefore, this issue would be more appropriately handled as
part of a package of Reclassification changes to the DMCS.

MTAC members said that this seemed a deferral of the issue.
Industry members also noted that the resolution of this
issue would benefit both the Postal Service and the
industry.  Lastly, the new and larger destination entry
discounts will create additional segmentation, thereby
increasing the frequency of occurrence.  Names were
collected of those who will help pursue this issue.

Update eon DARS Program - SWAT - ADVANCE
Chris Rebello provided the context for the discussion by
summarizing his concerns and problems encountered with the
Delivery Activity Reporting System.  Michele Denny answered
Chris' concerns with an announcement of a newly developed
program.  Referring to an article in Memo to Mailers, she
described the Southwest Area Tracking (SWAT) program.
SWAT's success has led to the development of a new national
program, to be renamed ADVANCE, to eventually replace DARS.

ADVANCE - Notification and Monitoring System
The mail owner provides an image of the piece and specific
quantity information to the National Customer Service Center
(NCSC) in Memphis.  In turn, appropriate subsets of this
information are passed along to approximately 7,000 delivery
units via electronic mail.  Then each delivery unit will
provide:  receipt date, delivery begin and end dates and
delivery performance summary per five digit.  A
consolidation of the specifics will also provide a summary
including early, on-time and late elements.  The pilot test,
to be done in the Southwest Area, is scheduled for
completion by January 1st and is currently limited to 3C
mail with requested in-home delivery dates.

ADVANCE will bring awareness to the service, improve
communication with customers, improve communications with
the USPS and improve the delivery process.  The first step
is bringing all 7,000 units up to speed with electronic
mail.  Then to roll-out the program to the other nine areas.
The target date for this Phase I roll-out is March '95.
Those interested in participating in he program may contact
the NCSC in Memphis at 800-458-3181.

Anomalies in Labeling Lists

Dan Minnick highlighted inconsistencies that occur within
the published DMM labeling lists.  Jim Cunningham had
already discussed, in a prior MTAC session, how the USPS'
new distribution network strategy will resolve these
anomalies prior to distribution of the exhibits.  Updates to
follows.



                        MTAC MINUTES
                  FOURTH-CLASS SUBCOMMITTEE
                      DECEMBER 14, 1994
                              
                              
                              
Ed Meszaros, Industry Chair
Tom Higgins, USPS Coordinator


Ed Meszaros opened the meeting at 11:20 AM.  He began by
introducing Stephanie Tolson who was to provide an update on
the Shipper Paid Forwarding effort.  Stef announced that the
new rules governing this product enhancement would be
published in the Federal Register during January of 1995 and
they would go into effect in March of 1995.  Ms. Tolson then
introduced Rocky Mathews who gave a presentation on the new
rules as they relate the current Address Change Service
(copy of handout attached).  Jeff Spotts was then introduced
and he gave a presentation on the necessary label format and
Keyline information.  This presentation included a
description of 11 alpha codes to describe the class of mail
being sent  Several members of the audience expressed a
concern over the need for that many codes and suggested it
be reduced to 4 or 5.  That suggestion is being reviewed.  A
concern was also expressed regarding what information would
be provided to USPS field employees about the contents of
the ACS Keyline.  Only the Central Markup Unit employees
would be provided information about the contents of the
Keyline.  Customers would receive the bills for this service
on a frequency they determine, right now that would be every
week or 2 weeks,  soon a monthly option will be available.
Mr. Spotts informed the subcommittee that a Tax Payer ID
number would be necessary when applying for this service and
those already participating in ACS will asked to provide
that information in the near future.

Ed then introduced Tom Higgins.  Tom began his presentations
with an analysis of the impact of the recent rate case as it
affected the Destination Bulk Mail Center (DBMC) rate.  He
then gave an update on the External Fourth-Class Measurement
system telling the group that Parcels, Product Management
had sent a letter the Consumer Advocate agreeing to be a
sponsor for the service.  Information about the status of
the test from Mary Jane Crain was given the group.  All
bounce back cards have been received and the last of the
data input operation is occurring.  Tom announced the
successful creation of the Security Notice (introduced at
the last MTAC meeting) with the publication of rules in the
November 10, 1994 Postal Bulletin.  Mr. Higgins then asked
for customers to provide feedback regarding two product
enhancements being considered.  The first, Delivery
confirmation, involves the need to develop a unique
identifier for any packages using this service.  Tom
presented three possibilities, color coding, a unique
Keyline, or the inclusion of the phrase "Delivery
confirmation" in human readable font placed near the
Tracking and Tracing Barcode.  Tom asked that any comments
or ideas be sent to him within 30 days.  The second new
enhancement is the inclusion of the recipient's day time
phone number be included as part of the address block.  The
purpose would be to provide the USPS with a phone number to
call if the package is undeliverable.  Both of these ideas
will be pursued.

The meeting adjourned at 12:45 PM.


Ed Meszaros
Fourth-Class Co-Chair




ADDRESSING AND ZIP+4


Addressing Federal Register Notice

Peter Moore opened the meeting with a recap of the events
surrounding the Federal Register notice of June 17.  He
explained that an additional meeting had been scheduled for
October which allowed the industry another opportunity to
comment on the proposals.  Approximately 60 people attended
the meeting which provided an open forum for discussion of
the issues.  Hank Cleffi reaffirmed that the Postal Service
did not intend to implement any of the proposals without
input from the industry and indicated that several issues
are being explored jointly.  Final disposition of this
proposal was delayed due to preparations for the rate case,
but a recession of the proposal should be published shortly.

The original problem had arisen as a consequence of the
proposals being published without having been previously
discussed with MTAC. Had this been done, much time and
expense could have been saved. Hank agreed that all effort
would be made to ensure that this does not happen in the
future. The membership commended Gail Sonnenberg and her
people, in particular Hank and Leo Raymond, for their
response to mailers' concerns, and their willingness to
discuss this in an open forum.

CASS Certification Cycle

Michael Murphy explained that the CASS certification cycle
has now been extended to one year.  Notice of this change
appeared in the December 8 Postal Bulletin.  Stage 1 test
files are now available for the cycle which will begin July
15, 1995.  Stage 2 test files will be available in mid
January.  Michael also said the Postal Service will be
canvassing the industry to determine the number of MASS test
decks which will be required in the upcoming test cycle.

Address Matching Guidelines

A subcommittee of the Partnership for Tomorrow group has
been developing a guide to long term improvement in address
matching processes.  The document is designed to serve as a
guide to software developers and users, both of whom are
represented in the group.  The guide will present a number
of address "problems" and the correct answers when using
Postal Service national address files (ZIP+4 and City
State).  The guide will also provide information on how far
to search within the files to locate the correct answers.
The guide is intended to be a dynamic, growing document
which will continue to be developed jointly and will serve
as a platform upon which tools could be built to improve
matching.  Gene del Polito asked if the use of the Delivery
Point ZIP Code could be used to help improve addresses which
are incomplete.  Michael indicated that  in use with other
elements the Delivery Point ZIP Code could help improve the
matching process.

Flaw in December AIS Products
Michael also announced a data flaw discovered in the
December AIS transaction products.  Notice has been given to
all subscribers of the flaw which impacts a few carrier
routes.  The January product will contain the corrections
and the two files should be processed sequentially once the
January product has been received.

RIBBS

The USPS is about to institute charges for the use of the
Rapid Information Bulletin Board System (RIBBS). MTAC
members who are actively using RIBBS were urged to take
advantage of the opportunity to assist by answering
questions.  It was also requested that more Headquarters
offices be represented, including the RSCSs.  Gene del
Polito proposed that a questionnaire be sent to all MTAC
members asking about the barriers to using RIBBS they may
have so that solutions might be developed.

DARS Program Changing to ADVANCE

Delivery Activity Report (DARS) is being replaced with
ADVANCE.  Mailers currently using DARS will be served until
the middle of January when the new system goes on line.  A
full presentation on ADVANCE was included in a later
session.

Correct Address Notification

The chairman asked if the Postal Service had received any
feedback from the industry on the impact of Correct Address
Notification (CAN) mailings.  He asked that mailers review
address change activity for the ZIP Codes which have had
notification pieces delivered.  One member suggest mailing a
notice to their customers explaining the use of the
standardized address, reinforcing the Postal Service
message.  Gene del Polito asked that correct addressing be
built into the Sales and Marketing plan.  Another member
suggested that mailer using detached cards use that space to
reinforce the addressing message.  Still another cited the
personalized approach where the individual carrier sends a
message to the customer identifying pieces which are
improperly addressed and requests assistance in notifying
the correspondent of the correct information.

Michael's final comment reaffirmed the release of CDS
products in the AMS II format.

Proposed Changes to the National Distribution Network

Bob Sheehan and Jim Cunningham presented information on
proposed changes to the National Distribution Network.  Bob
indicated that the proposal is in the process of getting the
final approvals from field managers.  The changes, which
have impact on internal Postal Operations and labeling done
by industry, focus primarily on letter size mail.  Some of
the changes include changing the prefixes on labels to more
accurately identify the plant location desired, such as
labeling more mail to ADCs and AADCs to consolidate
processing of automated mail to the same operation and
scheme; changing the label of automated "residue" to 60
concentration sites, ensuring that "uncoded" processing
centers are REC/RES sites; eliminating AADC defaults in some
smaller processing centers; developing a list of special
firm holdouts to be finalized on the first pass at the
origin site; and ensuring that all FCM letters are placed in
trays.  Work is also underway to begin the next generation
of scheme management tools which will use density analysis
to optimize the need for finalization at the origin site.
They are also looking forward to an opportunity to have an
electronic interface with customers so that flexible schemes
could be developed to more closely match the incoming
volumes.  Members raised several issues for inclusion in the
review for other processing categories.  A copy of the
presentation is attached.

Address Quality (ABC Letter Mail Subcommittee) Report

Bob O'Brien reviewed the discussion at the ABC meeting.  He
reported that AEC performance is near 70% resolution in Step
1.  He urged all mailers to take advantage of AEC
processing, citing the proposals to reclassification as a
reason.  He also indicated that there may be outsourcing of
the AEC processing to the vendor community. The USPS has not
been satisfied with the performance/acceptance of Step 2 of
AEC, entailing carrier correction of otherwise uncodable
addresses. Under consideration are a number of alternatives,
including contracting out to commercial vendors.

Discussion about the volume of ACS hard copy  followed.  Bob
cited that there may be legitimate reasons, due to DMM
regulations which require hard copy notices to be returned.
A copy of the matrix is attached.  Michael Murphy is to
develop a procedure or methodology to report ZIP Codes where
high concentrations of hard copies are returned.  Peter
urged mailers to spend the resources to collect the data for
analysis by the Postal Service and possible corrective
action.  A list of ZIP Codes where ACS service is not
provided is available to ACS participants on RIBBS.  The
need to further educate USPS employees on proper handling
was cited, particularly on "Nixie" notices which have a
higher proportion of hard copy returns.


                    Mailers' Technical Advisory Committee
            Engineering & Technology/Transportation Subcommittee

Wednesday, December 14, 1994
Industry Chair: Joe Lubenow
USPS Coordinator: Bob Cundiff

Postal/Industry Electronic Exchange (PIEX) - Rick Graff

Rick started his presentation by advising that there is
currently no USPS corporate sponsorship for the program.
Mailing System Development is currently being reorganized.
The industry participants on this group are seeking a new
sponsor within Headquarters who is willing to discuss the
future requirements.

The PIEX group met on December 13 and the new System
Certification Program (SCP) was the item of discussion.
The USPS filed a Federal Register Notice on November 29.
Comments on the notice are due by January 30.  The original
program had three stages of certification: postage payment,
mailing operations, and electronic information exchange.
The new program calls for a full-plant certification
without any stages.  The new program is voluntary and no
longer tied into reclassification or rate eligibility.
The new proposed SCP has six parts, four required and two
optional, as follows:

Required Elements

1)  Mail Production Quality
     -  CASS certified address matching on all lists
owned/controlled by mailer
     -  Use of a Postal Service address correction service
     -  Must use USPS certified equipment to produce
Postnet barcodes
2)  Presort System Quality
     -  Presort documentation meeting USPS standards
     -  PAVE certified software, where applicable
3)  Postage Payment Quality
     -  Entire operation must be certified and verifiable
4)  Mail Presentation Quality
     -  Controls for staging, loading, and dispatch

Optional Elements

1)  Address Information Quality
     -  CASS certified address matching on all lists,
including supplied lists
     -  Complete and standardized output
2)  Mailpiece Quality Control Specialist (MPQC) Program
     -  MPQC specialists must be trained and utilized

Mailers who qualify under the SCP program will benefit from
simplified acceptance procedures and from expedited
induction of mailings, but do not receive rate incentives.
In yesterday's meeting, the USPS was advised that by not
tying SCP into reclassification or providing some other
rate incentive, there may be insufficient motivation for
widespread mailer participation.  Rick closed by suggesting
that industry respond to the Federal Register Notice and
provide comments.



Containers/Integrated Mail Handling System - Bob Lindsay

Bob provided an update on IMHS from the ABC
Containers/Transportation Focus Group which had received a
presentation from Robert Brooks, USPS project manager.
IMHS is moving forward with an improved budget for new
automated equipment such as forklifts, pallet jacks, intra-
postal containers, etc.  This equipment is in addition to
the MTE equipment managed by Paul Seehaver's group.  Cross
docking will be expanded to at least 10 BMCs and perhaps
more.  Bob then discussed the strategic issues he felt were
raised by Bob Brooks' report.  There is concern that sacks
may not disappear even though the stated goal of IMHS is to
eliminate sacks.  Further, it is not clear whether the
expansion in cross-docking through IMHS will be supported
by the new palletization rules.  New pallet preparation
requirements are not yet resolved with respect to minimum
weights and optional or mandatory levels.

Bob also reported on the Drop Ship Appointment System.  He
reported that industry response was very favorable and felt
that it was a major step in putting the USPS on the
information highway.  Bob urged all attendees to take
advantage of the benefits provided by this system.
Improvements needed are improved response, simpler log-on
procedures, and more user-friendly screens.

Parcel Issues - Phil Parizino

Phil provided an update from the ABC Parcel Focus Group
meeting conducted on December 13.  The parcel group briefly
discussed a prototype barcode reader being tested by Win
Zimmerman at Swiss Colony that will read barcodes through
polywrap and provide a second barcode on the outer wrap.
The small bundle and parcel sorter is being tested in
Portland and will provide the advantages of being able to
read both a two-dimensional barcode and a Postnet barcode
as a result of using a video camera instead of a laser
scanner.  More information on the test will be available at
the next meeting in March.  The USPS has contracted with 3M
to look into improved types of polywrap.  Tracing and
tracking tests are almost completed with four companies in
the Greensboro BMC.  Each company will have specific
barcodes and configuration requirements.  The four
companies are CTC, Neodata, Fingerhut, and Deluxe Corp.

ABC Update/Barcoding Polybagged Flats - Dick Funck

Dick provided an update on the ABC Flats Focus Group
meeting of December 13.  He stated that a long standing
topic for MTAC and the ABC Group was the acceptance of
polywrap pieces as machinable and thus automatable.  Many
parties have been involved in the issue, particularly Norm
Scharpf and the USPS Engineering Group, but have not been
able to make sufficient progress.  There appear to be
polywrapped items being processed on USPS flat sorters
without any difficulty, but no one can define what are the
necessary preconditions for success.  Dick showed an
example of two unbound pieces, weighing about an ounce,
that were tested in Seattle, Denver, and Jacksonville.  For
some unexplained reasons, the tests in Denver and
Jacksonville were successful, but this was not the case in
Seattle.  The tests were ruled inconclusive by the USPS.

A decision was then made to retest using different
mailpiece types.  The pieces tested were a seven and a
thirteen ounce piece wrapped two ways.  The traditional way
uses a vertical seam going up and down the center of the
mailpiece.  The USPS processing operators shake the piece
down so that the item is tight at the bottom and is placed
on the sorter with about a one inch overhang at the top.
The USPS Engineers have stated that the overhang needed to
be less than a quarter of an inch to be acceptable, which is not
efficient in production for thicker pieces.  The mail
pieces were redesigned to have the overhang on the sides,
which was accomplished by turning the machines around 90
degrees.  This was more successful.  The poly on these
samples was of a type called cast poly as opposed to blown
poly, and was of medium density.  It was determined that
the medium density poly worked best in sliding off the
sorter into the bins.  Low density poly currently being
used by the industry does not seem to work as well.  One
and a half mil and one and a quarter mil poly thicknesses
were used in the test.  Putting the bound edge forward was
required in processing on the flat sorter.

The USPS has agreed to more testing beginning January 12.

The Postal Service is working on a new flat sorter, US1000,
which will process polywrapped mail pieces, tabloids,
newspapers and pieces weighing over a pound.  Currently,
the USPS is evaluating the possibility of including a
barcode reader on this new flat sorter.  The industry feels
that this additional step is critical for the flats barcode
program and for reclassification, particularly for third
class where mailers will be faced with a higher rate if
they don't automate.

Next, Dick provided a briefing on the USPS Corporate
Automation Plan as presented to the ABC Group by Mitch
Gordon.  By 1999, the USPS hopes to save $4 billion through
automation.  Currently, 46.2% of letter mail is not
barcoded.  The plan discussed letter mail automation and
not flats or parcels, though the USPS does plan to develop
a flats automation strategy.  Several MTAC members would
like to see more specific goals and timelines in the
Automation Plan.  The Sales group presented their
priorities to the ABC Group.  Regardless of what is and is
not included in the Corporate Automation Plan,
reclassification will be emphasizing automation and
barcoding and should be a priority for sales.

Joe Lubenow then spoke about the upcoming reclassification
and the anticipated shift to a predominantly automated
letter mail process (Prebarcoding/OCRs/Remote) from the
current situation with half going through an automated
process and the remainder being mostly carrier routed.  One
task of this committee will be to discuss what measures we
can take to prepare for that shift.

Drop Ship Appointment System - Joel Rosen

A question was raised about the sign-on procedures and it
was noted that the USPS is looking at some new products
that may simplify the sign-on requirements.  Currently, the
mailer is entering information after signing on and the
USPS is looking to batch some information together before a
sign-on is initiated.

A comment was made about response being affected by type of
the equipment and the speed of the modem.  Joel stated that
the response time will be improved and the issue will be
discussed in the Drop Ship Ad Hoc committee meeting.

Another comment was that there are currently about 150
users on the system and there is a concern if usage
increases, there might be some system problems.  The
response was that there was sufficient resources on the
mainframe to handle any increases.



Transportation Information Management Evaluation System
(TIMES) - Jim Nawrot

Jim Nawrot was unable to attend due to conflicting
commitments and an overview handout was made available.

Glassine Windows on Envelopes - Len Read/Bob Muma

Len Read discussed the importance of automation and the
ability to determine the correct delivery point or read the
correct delivery point barcode.  It is easier for the USPS
to read a barcode than an address.  Things that affect
readability include the quality of the insert and the
clarity of the window film, including haze, that is,
optical clarity; scuff marks and wrinkles or distortions.
Glare is also a problem when light is reflected back.  Len
provided a demonstration of how readability varies with
different window envelope types and how glassine windows
can affect the readability.  If there is a gap between the
window and the insert, the piece becomes less readable.

Research at the USPS Engineering Group looked at some of
the characteristics of the window materials.  Plastic and
glassine were looked at, but the USPS is not endorsing any
product.  The engineering group looked at film clarity,
gloss, effect on print quality, and environmental
stability, and ran some operational tests.  As the haze
increased, the address quality dropped.  Research
recommends about a 70% maximum correlated haze as measured
by a standard industry technique, American Society Testing
Materials D1003.

Bob Muma discussed concerns of manufacturers regarding
glassine.  Environmental concerns have forced manufacturers
to use glassine over other types as a window patch
material.  Depending on the print quality of the address,
barcode and the basis weight of the glassine, there have
been some problems with glassine automation compatibility.
Automation compatibility standards for a window envelope
covering material focuses on a measurement that combines
the window material transparency and the print quality of
the address or the barcode as it appears behind it.  The
DMM standards for letter size mail, in automation rate
mailings, are that addresses viewed through a glassine
window must provide a print contrast ratio (PCR) of at
least 45%, and a barcode viewed through the material must
provide a print reflectance difference (PRD) of at least
30%.  Glassine manufacturers were concerned about the lack
of a criteria for acceptance during the manufacture.  The
test provided a value of no greater than 70% for correlated
haze.  Glassine is manufactured mostly in two basis
weights, 22 pounds and 25 pounds.  Manufacturers state that
it is difficult to stay below the 70% ceiling on 25 pound
glassine.  To meet compliance, the cost of the glassine
would increase 25-30%. They suggest 22 pound as a potential
alternative, but envelope manufacturers are having problems
running the 22 pound glassine with web breaks, low
productivity and rippling of the film  Glassine is a paper
product, affected by humidity and more so with the lighter
weights.  Glassine manufacturers support the 70% ceiling as
a recommendation, but not as part of the DMM requirements.
It's important to allow use of the 25 pound glassine which
may exceed the 70% ceiling for advertising mail with larger
windows and for reducing costs.


Closing Comments

Joe Lubenow reported some information on the Reply Card
Scanning Project from Bob O'Brien's ABC Letter Mail Focus
group.  Companies involved in the test are Fingerhut,
Neodata and Rodale.  Testing is going well.  The reply card
is being scanned at the origin facility and is digitized,
if possible.  The USPS feels that digitizing adds value to
this process and reduces transmission costs.  The results
are sent to a regional electronic mailbox and are forwarded
to a third party such as a fulfillment warehouse where
action can be taken without the originating company being
involved.  The destiny of the hardcopy is an issue at this
time.  The goals are to save time and to reduce costs for
customers.  There is a PRC filing possible, once the market
research is completed.  The market research will include
some potential prices for this service.  Enhanced services
might be available such as address correction.  Lyn Seidler
of USPS provided the report to the ABC Group.

The Remote Barcode System, as presented to the ABC Letter
Mail Focus Group by Mary Portko, is now a 50/50 proposition
between USPS and outside contractors.  The original plan
was for contractors to do all the work, but the job was
given back to the USPS craft employees.  There are
currently about 45 sites and about October of 1996, there
will be 143 sites.  In phase three, 268 sites are projected
to cover the majority of the United States.

Joe Lubenow
Industry Chair
Engineering & Technology/Transportation Subcommittee