Boredcast Message from 'jsl': Sun Jul 28 00:13:15 1996

somethings' weird.  I can't save files to my own home directory!

Boredcast Message from 'jsl': Sun Jul 28 00:20:02 1996

Is there anything fun going on tomorrow?

Boredcast Message from 'psb': Sun Jul 28 00:25:40 1996

yes, but you're not invited

Boredcast Message from 'jsl': Sun Jul 28 00:26:01 1996

oh, hello psb

Boredcast Message from 'psb': Sun Jul 28 00:26:33 1996

are you the one that is the csua president?

Boredcast Message from 'jsl': Sun Jul 28 00:27:07 1996

yes

Boredcast Message from 'psb': Sun Jul 28 00:27:17 1996

oh i thought you were going to take the 5th on that

Boredcast Message from 'peterm': Sun Jul 28 00:27:41 1996

it's not something she could sonvincingly deny psb

Boredcast Message from 'psb': Sun Jul 28 00:28:09 1996

taking the 5th isnt a denial

Boredcast Message from 'jsl': Sun Jul 28 00:27:44 1996

that would be impossible.  People have to know I'm pres for me to do
my job.  If I didn't wnat the job, or didn't think I could do it, I
wouldn't have accepted teh job.

Boredcast Message from 'psb': Sun Jul 28 00:28:40 1996

ok back to cleaning my living room

Boredcast Message from 'jsl': Sun Jul 28 00:28:57 1996

no more CE games?

Boredcast Message from 'jsl': Sun Jul 28 00:29:22 1996

hi peter
whatcha up to?

Boredcast Message from 'peterm': Sun Jul 28 00:28:40 1996

wall
getting ready to sleep

Boredcast Message from 'psb': Sun Jul 28 00:30:17 1996

*Boredcast Message from 'jsl': Sun Jul 28 00:27:44 1996
||
||that would be impossible.  People have to know I'm pres for me to do
||my job.  If I didn't wnat the job, or didn't think I could do it, I
||wouldn't have accepted teh job.
||
Who is the CSUA VP again?

Boredcast Message from 'peterm': Sun Jul 28 00:30:25 1996

that would be raytrace, psb

Boredcast Message from 'peterm': Sun Jul 28 00:30:34 1996

it was either her or ben scotsman

Boredcast Message from 'jsl': Sun Jul 28 00:30:32 1996

goognight peter

Boredcast Message from 'psb': Sun Jul 28 00:33:53 1996

*Boredcast Message from 'jsl': Sun Jul 28 00:27:44 1996
||
||that would be impossible.  People have to know I'm pres for me to do
||my job.  If I didn't wnat the job, or didn't think I could do it, I
||wouldn't have accepted teh job.
||
so madame president, given your point of view about political office
what do you think about the job your VP has been doing?

Boredcast Message from 'psb': Sun Jul 28 00:35:25 1996

maybe now is the time to take the 5th

Boredcast Message from 'jsl': Sun Jul 28 00:34:34 1996

It's irrelevant what I think.  It's what the constituents think that's
important.  

Boredcast Message from 'mehlhaff': Sun Jul 28 00:35:26 1996

since when has the VP really done anything over the summer?
only time I've really seen the CSUa really don anything over the summer was
during the soda hall move.

Boredcast Message from 'psb': Sun Jul 28 00:35:50 1996

you are seriously saying that you think csua president's opinion a
bout the csua VP is "irrelvant"? and then you go on to "take the 5th"?

Boredcast Message from 'jsl': Sun Jul 28 00:37:09 1996

what I am saying is that, my personal opinion doesn't matter.
Or at least, it only matters as much as everyone elses does.

Boredcast Message from 'psb': Sun Jul 28 00:37:42 1996

thats a fine legal argument ... i didnt commit a crime. ok i dont want
to talk about it.  but you do have that right

Boredcast Message from 'pld': Sun Jul 28 00:38:22 1996

how about your professional opinion

Boredcast Message from 'peterm': Sun Jul 28 00:38:47 1996

you can't argue that your professional opinion is irrelevant

Boredcast Message from 'psb': Sun Jul 28 00:38:34 1996

we are not discuss the worth but the content of your opinion.
as you suggest, it's up to others to assess the worth

Boredcast Message from 'jsl': Sun Jul 28 00:38:42 1996

pld : 
glad you asked that.
my professional opinion will balways be the general opinion

Boredcast Message from 'pld': Sun Jul 28 00:39:14 1996

in make, is there a decent way to pass an extra param to the compiler when
compiling certain files

Boredcast Message from 'psb': Sun Jul 28 00:39:12 1996

>you can't argue that your professional opinion is irrelevant
but she can take the 5th.

Boredcast Message from 'pld': Sun Jul 28 00:39:28 1996

wow, so you're like a professional sponge

Boredcast Message from 'psb': Sun Jul 28 00:39:28 1996

>my professional opinion will balways be the general opinion
uh then what is the "general opinion"?

Boredcast Message from 'pld': Sun Jul 28 00:39:58 1996

is psb a general

Boredcast Message from 'jsl': Sun Jul 28 00:39:37 1996

I personally believe that.  I can have a personal opinion, but as an
elected representative I should be just that.  The person elected to
represent the general view.

Boredcast Message from 'peterm': Sun Jul 28 00:39:45 1996

it's the old dilemma:
d'you want your politicians to have the courage of their
convictions, or reflect the will
of the populace, fickle as that may be?

Boredcast Message from 'aaron': Sun Jul 28 00:40:23 1996

play on tbyte

Boredcast Message from 'psb': Sun Jul 28 00:40:26 1996

any i'm asking you what is the general opinion in this case.
now that we understand that your "professional [sic] opinion" and the 
General Will are the same

Boredcast Message from 'lindsay': Sun Jul 28 00:40:56 1996

are they sleeping in their vomit?
Me, i'll put my money on it
all my friends are drug fiends

Boredcast Message from 'pld': Sun Jul 28 00:41:02 1996

Invoking man pmake in background

Boredcast Message from 'jsl': Sun Jul 28 00:40:34 1996

peterm : I will of course present my personal opinions and argue for them
However, I will prepresent the general opinion

Boredcast Message from 'jsl': Sun Jul 28 00:41:33 1996

psb : okay, in this case i can honestly answer I don't know.
We've been in office for so short a time I havne't gotten much
feedback on how any of us are doing.

Boredcast Message from 'psb': Sun Jul 28 00:41:57 1996

>However, I will prepresent the general opinion
it seems pretty hard to get you to present the general opinion

Boredcast Message from 'pld': Sun Jul 28 00:42:18 1996

by prepresent, do you mean present first, or is it a typo for represent

Boredcast Message from 'lindsay': Sun Jul 28 00:42:03 1996

pcp smack dope and speed
that's what they say they all need
all my friends are drug fiends

Boredcast Message from 'jsl': Sun Jul 28 00:42:32 1996

present

Boredcast Message from 'pld': Sun Jul 28 00:42:42 1996

Not to cloud the issue or anything

Boredcast Message from 'jsl': Sun Jul 28 00:42:39 1996

psb : really? why do you say that?

Boredcast Message from 'psb': Sun Jul 28 00:42:27 1996

so all you know is that you share an opinion which you dont know? 
that is quite remarkable. 

Boredcast Message from 'jsl': Sun Jul 28 00:42:50 1996

psb : as far as I know, I've run meetings and stated only personal
opinions so far.  It won't be until after the meeting and after the
general will has been made known that I will act accordingly.

Boredcast Message from 'jon': Sun Jul 28 00:43:49 1996

so you have no will of your own?

Boredcast Message from 'jsl': Sun Jul 28 00:44:08 1996

jon : I have my personal oopinion as previsouly stated.
I chose to serve adn represent you, so I'll do that.  Simple really.

Boredcast Message from 'jon': Sun Jul 28 00:44:41 1996

well not to burst any bubbles, but what I -- or the general will dictates --
want is not necessarily the same as 'good for the CSUA'

Boredcast Message from 'mehlhaff': Sun Jul 28 00:45:26 1996

quite often, they[re counter.

Boredcast Message from 'jon': Sun Jul 28 00:45:18 1996

now to find out what the fuck kenji means when he says something is in the
UCSEE library ...

Boredcast Message from 'jsl': Sun Jul 28 00:44:38 1996

jon : I'll argue for what I believe, but if the majority is of a
different opinion, than I have no choice but to concede.

Boredcast Message from 'peterm': Sun Jul 28 00:45:35 1996

boy, people are getting themselves into trouble tonight

Boredcast Message from 'psb': Sun Jul 28 00:44:00 1996

so currently you have no "professional opinion" since you have not
yet been told what to believe professionally. i suppose that makes
it a semantic matter whether or not this non-existent opinion is 
relevant or not. it's also somewhat curious to 
   jsl> I plead the 5th
when your honest answer emerges as "i dont know"

Boredcast Message from 'jsl': Sun Jul 28 00:45:45 1996

I realize that what peopol decide could be bad, but if that's what
they want.  It's my job to give everyone all the facts and help them
to decide whta's best.

Boredcast Message from 'jon': Sun Jul 28 00:46:37 1996

and you rule the CSUA with an iron fist?

Boredcast Message from 'peterm': Sun Jul 28 00:46:43 1996

that's not exactly how the representative model of gov't is supposed
to work jsl

Boredcast Message from 'jsl': Sun Jul 28 00:47:08 1996

peterm : please tell me how it's suposed to work then.

Boredcast Message from 'peterm': Sun Jul 28 00:47:38 1996

I think psb could do it more concisely and precisely, if he cares to.

Boredcast Message from 'pld': Sun Jul 28 00:48:58 1996

was that your platform julie?

Boredcast Message from 'psb': Sun Jul 28 00:46:46 1996

"give them all the facts"? ... do you think thats a problematic statement?
but lets not get into the philosophy of science. 

>psb : as far as I know, I've run meetings and stated only personal opinions
>jon : I have my personal oopinion as previsouly stated.

what was the personal opinion of yours that you stated in this matter?
kindly repeat it ... as far as i cant tell, the only think you said about
your personal opinion was "it doesnt matter"

Boredcast Message from 'jon': Sun Jul 28 00:48:12 1996

you were elected and put into office because it was generally believed
by those that voted for you that you could make the decisions that you
would be called upon to make.

note that that requires _you_ to make the deciosns

Boredcast Message from 'paulwang': Sun Jul 28 00:49:32 1996

mmmm...latenight flamewar

Boredcast Message from 'jon': Sun Jul 28 00:49:32 1996

you and the rest of politburo

Boredcast Message from 'jon': Sun Jul 28 00:49:52 1996

paul: if you think this is late ... man you aint see nuthin yet

Boredcast Message from 'kenji': Sun Jul 28 00:50:19 1996

must listen to angry trent music

Boredcast Message from 'jsl': Sun Jul 28 00:50:35 1996

jon : how do I knowwhen I'm being called to make a decision vs running
a vote and acting accordingoy?

Boredcast Message from 'paulwang': Sun Jul 28 00:51:05 1996

hee

Boredcast Message from 'psb': Sun Jul 28 00:50:51 1996

maybe i shouldnt read any more Scott Turow novels :-)

Boredcast Message from 'kenji': Sun Jul 28 00:51:20 1996

psb: same here ;)

Boredcast Message from 'jon': Sun Jul 28 00:51:24 1996

obRead_the_f***in_Constitution
You were elected and given _authority_ to make decisions with the rest 
of politburo.  votes involving the membership take place only when the
gen. membership calls for it

Boredcast Message from 'paulwang': Sun Jul 28 00:52:23 1996

declare your absolute rule become the soda dictator

Boredcast Message from 'psb': Sun Jul 28 00:52:56 1996

i guess you are "taking the 5th" on my question:
>>psb : as far as I know, I've run meetings and stated only personal opinions
>>jon : I have my personal oopinion as previsouly stated.
>what was the personal opinion of yours that you stated in this matter?
>kindly repeat it ... as far as i cant tell, the only think you said about
>your personal opinion was "it doesnt matter"
>

Boredcast Message from 'jon': Sun Jul 28 00:52:53 1996

and doesnt matter all that much which const you read

Boredcast Message from 'jsl': Sun Jul 28 00:53:16 1996

psb : what was the question again? It's lost in all this 

Boredcast Message from 'psb': Sun Jul 28 00:53:59 1996

my question was, you in two walls referred to "stating personal opinions"

>>>psb : as far as I know, I've run meetings and stated only personal
>>>opinions and then mention that you previously stated your personal
>>>opinion in the mater:

>>jon : I have my personal oopinion as previsouly stated.

i was requesting your to restate what it was you stated previously
since all i could discover when i look was your stating "my personal
opinion doesnt matter"

Boredcast Message from 'jsl': Sun Jul 28 00:56:07 1996

psb : personal opinion regarding what?

Boredcast Message from 'peterm': Sun Jul 28 00:56:35 1996

JESUS CHRIST

Boredcast Message from 'paulwang': Sun Jul 28 00:58:00 1996

my head hurts

Boredcast Message from 'jon': Sun Jul 28 00:58:08 1996

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Boredcast Message from 'psb': Sun Jul 28 00:58:15 1996

my understanding of the issue at hand was framed by this wall:
*Boredcast Message from 'psb': Sun Jul 28 00:33:53 1996
||
||*Boredcast Message from 'jsl': Sun Jul 28 00:27:44 1996
||||
||||that would be impossible.  People have to know I'm pres for me to
||||do my job.  If I didn't wnat the job, or didn't think I could do
||||it, I wouldn't have accepted teh job.
||so madame president, given your point of view about political office
||what do you think about the job your VP has been doing?
||

Boredcast Message from 'aaron': Sun Jul 28 00:58:17 1996

jsl commanded:
> pld : 
> glad you asked that.
> my professional opinion will balways be the general opinion

oh my god

Boredcast Message from 'psb': Sun Jul 28 00:58:32 1996

let me, at risk of confusing our poor president further, ask a little
hypothetical ... 
say the general will and the constitution are in conflict ... will
she side with the general will or the constitution?

Boredcast Message from 'jsl': Sun Jul 28 00:58:51 1996

psb : okay, then I plead the 5th.  I don't wish to comment on my personal opinion.  If I have something to say, I'll sya it to rachael.

Boredcast Message from 'paulwang': Sun Jul 28 00:59:31 1996

I really like how frame loads images when
I don't want it to

Boredcast Message from 'psb': Sun Jul 28 00:59:52 1996

do you still believe your personal opinion is irrelevant?

Boredcast Message from 'peterm': Sun Jul 28 01:00:01 1996

I woulnd't take the fifth under the circumstances:
how is anythin she could say self-incriminating?

Boredcast Message from 'pld': Sun Jul 28 01:00:49 1996

maybe she is ray's nub-slave

Boredcast Message from 'jon': Sun Jul 28 00:59:40 1996

well those who voted for you -- as well as the rest of the membership -- 
I think may reasonably have the expectation that people who dont do their job
or fail to act responsibly in its execution will somehow be blown out of the
water

Boredcast Message from 'psb': Sun Jul 28 01:00:33 1996

"the fifth" is often colloquial talk for "i dont want to talk about it"
peter. as for incriminating one's self ... what can jsl possibly worry
about us finding out. that she thinks what we think?

Boredcast Message from 'paulwang': Sun Jul 28 01:02:15 1996

shhhh...

Boredcast Message from 'peterm': Sun Jul 28 01:02:16 1996

Humm, psb: i generally use it in the stricter interpretation

Boredcast Message from 'pld': Sun Jul 28 01:02:50 1996

i'm sure you do

Boredcast Message from 'pld': Sun Jul 28 01:03:04 1996

committed any felonies lately?

Boredcast Message from 'peterm': Sun Jul 28 01:03:15 1996

there are all sorts of ways to incriminate yourself, pld

Boredcast Message from 'peterm': Sun Jul 28 01:03:27 1996

not all of them involve felonies or misdemeanors.

Boredcast Message from 'psb': Sun Jul 28 01:03:28 1996

my hypothetical was perhaps a hard one ... i wonder if she is thinking
about it or is taking the 5th across the board

Boredcast Message from 'pld': Sun Jul 28 01:04:09 1996

that's kind of a non-sequitur but i won't argue it

Boredcast Message from 'psb': Sun Jul 28 01:04:28 1996

peter you dont have a 5th amd right in say a civil trial ... its possible 
if it becomes criminal trial they wont be able to use that testimony
but in general you probably have to talk.

Boredcast Message from 'aaron': Sun Jul 28 01:05:18 1996

julie your view of the way reps should function really doesn't work in an
org like the CSUA...the govt is 99% executive. i could see you doing that
if it were some parliamentary body where you aren't making executive
decisions...and even then it's still a tad repugnant.

Boredcast Message from 'pld': Sun Jul 28 01:05:51 1996

i will date both women

Boredcast Message from 'peterm': Sun Jul 28 01:06:03 1996

pld's a rake!

Boredcast Message from 'pld': Sun Jul 28 01:06:05 1996

woop

Boredcast Message from 'jsl': Sun Jul 28 01:05:37 1996

aaron : thanks for telling me this.  I'm trying my best to figure out
what the CSUA now want's of it's members.

Boredcast Message from 'aaron': Sun Jul 28 01:06:11 1996

pld: weren't you just talking about non sequiturs

Boredcast Message from 'jsl': Sun Jul 28 01:06:17 1996

leaders I mean

Boredcast Message from 'pld': Sun Jul 28 01:06:26 1996

it's a mangled quote from big trouble in little china

Boredcast Message from 'jon': Sun Jul 28 01:06:04 1996

aaron: yeah even if it was parliamentary, she's expected to make her
own decisions still

Boredcast Message from 'aaron': Sun Jul 28 01:06:30 1996

and "its"

Boredcast Message from 'peterm': Sun Jul 28 01:06:20 1996

that's true, partha.
No 5th in a civil trial.

Boredcast Message from 'peterm': Sun Jul 28 01:06:40 1996

well, maybe i should look that up. 
Where's my copy of the constitution?

Boredcast Message from 'lindsay': Sun Jul 28 01:05:41 1996

this was a highly successful day
I got my boyfriends cd,
a tape of my frined Robert playing music
A copy of Repo Man
and two artists phone numbers for mural prjects
FREE FREE FREE

Boredcast Message from 'aaron': Sun Jul 28 01:06:57 1996

jack burton....me

Boredcast Message from 'aaron': Sun Jul 28 01:07:08 1996

at general meetings

Boredcast Message from 'psb': Sun Jul 28 01:06:18 1996

ms. jsl: how about my hypothetical. in case you have forgotten it:
say the csua 'general will ' is X but the constitution says Y ... 
what does your professional opinion get "bound" to.

Boredcast Message from 'jsl': Sun Jul 28 01:07:35 1996

psb : it all depends.  if it happens, I'll deal with it.

Boredcast Message from 'jon': Sun Jul 28 01:08:06 1996

all depends?

Boredcast Message from 'psb': Sun Jul 28 01:07:58 1996

i am asking you how you would deal with it ... that is usually the point
of a hypothetical,

Boredcast Message from 'peterm': Sun Jul 28 01:08:02 1996

i guess this is whatyou get when you don't require an inagural oath

Boredcast Message from 'peterm': Sun Jul 28 01:08:22 1996

lindsay, i ddin't know you had a bf
thought you were avoiding men

Boredcast Message from 'jsl': Sun Jul 28 01:08:20 1996

on the situation and everything else.
how strong the opposing opinions are and etc.
I can't hypothesize.

Boredcast Message from 'pld': Sun Jul 28 01:09:26 1996

the only want i can think if is wanting members to not use unnecessary
apostrophe's

Boredcast Message from 'aaron': Sun Jul 28 01:09:54 1996

i want marco off root because he used root to read mail

Boredcast Message from 'peterm': Sun Jul 28 01:09:47 1996

I'll think about that, pld, and judge the issue on it's merit

Boredcast Message from 'jon': Sun Jul 28 01:08:38 1996

how about a simpler question, jsl, did you have any idea what was
required of the CSUA president when you ran?  Did you attend any
appreciable number of politburo and general meetings prior to running?

Boredcast Message from 'pld': Sun Jul 28 01:10:34 1996

well, that's getting into wants of politburo; those are more numerous

Boredcast Message from 'aaron': Sun Jul 28 01:11:43 1996

there are no minutes from the last election

Boredcast Message from 'psb': Sun Jul 28 01:10:16 1996

well i'm not sure that makes sense ... i thought to be consistent you
would have said "i'd side with the general membership if they wanted
me to side with them or side with the constitution if that was the general
will" but anyway ... 
so you are cable of weighting real arguments and opinions but not
capable of weighting hypothetical/abstract arguments? thats interesting.

Boredcast Message from 'pld': Sun Jul 28 01:12:59 1996

so does kumquats, but they're both correct!

Boredcast Message from 'aaron': Sun Jul 28 01:13:16 1996

aaron walled:
> pld: weren't you just talking about non sequiturs

Boredcast Message from 'peterm': Sun Jul 28 01:13:15 1996

won't argue that.

Boredcast Message from 'jon': Sun Jul 28 01:13:30 1996

now where are those pliers ...

Boredcast Message from 'peterm': Sun Jul 28 01:13:30 1996

it wasn't a non-sequitur, aaron
it made perfect sense.

Boredcast Message from 'aaron': Sun Jul 28 01:13:47 1996

nobody on my swall-cite-verblist "pontificates" yet

Boredcast Message from 'peterm': Sun Jul 28 01:14:01 1996

I'll try and become really pompous, OK aaron?

Boredcast Message from 'pld': Sun Jul 28 01:14:06 1996

oooh, i forgot i have chicken from chez panisse in my fridge

Boredcast Message from 'pld': Sun Jul 28 01:14:11 1996

i think it's calling me

Boredcast Message from 'aaron': Sun Jul 28 01:14:14 1996

i apologize, but it was lost on me

Boredcast Message from 'pld': Sun Jul 28 01:14:23 1996

maybe you should try being popous instead

Boredcast Message from 'aaron': Sun Jul 28 01:14:26 1996

THEY KEEP CALLING ME

Boredcast Message from 'psb': Sun Jul 28 01:12:45 1996

that actually leads to a rather fascinating
psychological/philosophical problems that remind be of the Schroedinger
cat example about collapsing the wave function.  say i were to try to
convince jsl that "no freshmen should be allowed to become politburo
members" ... now if i really believe that and was advocating it she
could successfully weight it ... but say i was just engaging on
hypothesizing ... then she would all of a sudden find herself in a
branch where she is incapable of analyzing it

Boredcast Message from 'jon': Sun Jul 28 01:14:32 1996

funny aaron: just as that came through, the cd came to that track

Boredcast Message from 'aaron': Sun Jul 28 01:14:57 1996

i like the song on 105 right now

Boredcast Message from 'peterm': Sun Jul 28 01:15:26 1996

your vocabulary outclasses mine, pld

Boredcast Message from 'aaron': Sun Jul 28 01:15:36 1996

i want to read godel escher bach

Boredcast Message from 'peterm': Sun Jul 28 01:15:51 1996

"popous" isn't even inwebster

Boredcast Message from 'pld': Sun Jul 28 01:15:59 1996

popous isn't really a word; the proper is papal.  but it made a better pun

Boredcast Message from 'aaron': Sun Jul 28 01:16:15 1996

peterm: loosen up and your regexps might match :)

Boredcast Message from 'psb': Sun Jul 28 01:16:00 1996

GEB is actually a book i found kind of annoying. i bet dpetrous 
like GEB and like Zen and the art of MotoMaint

Boredcast Message from 'pld': Sun Jul 28 01:16:29 1996

sounds a bit like ani

Boredcast Message from 'peterm': Sun Jul 28 01:16:42 1996

dpetrou likes GEB

Boredcast Message from 'pld': Sun Jul 28 01:16:46 1996

well, the "blow you away" does.

Boredcast Message from 'pld': Sun Jul 28 01:17:03 1996

flea is playing bass for jewel on her upcoming album

Boredcast Message from 'aaron': Sun Jul 28 01:17:09 1996

well...i have read some other daniell dennett and i liked parts of
it...but there were some tedious areas i think it was "mind's i"

Boredcast Message from 'psb': Sun Jul 28 01:16:57 1996

>dpetrou likes GEB
see thats a better example of "clever prediction" than "maybe partha 
will respond to this wall"

Boredcast Message from 'aaron': Sun Jul 28 01:17:24 1996

or whwatever that guy's name is who wrote it

Boredcast Message from 'pld': Sun Jul 28 01:17:28 1996

geb is hofstadter

Boredcast Message from 'aaron': Sun Jul 28 01:17:31 1996

i can't remember now

Boredcast Message from 'jon': Sun Jul 28 01:17:40 1996

whoever just nwrote me better resend

Boredcast Message from 'pld': Sun Jul 28 01:17:48 1996

it wasn't a maybe, and there was a time factor

Boredcast Message from 'aaron': Sun Jul 28 01:18:23 1996

yeah, him. he wrote mind's i too. i really like turing's/godel's stuff
about self-referential systems and unprovability and i just want to learn
more from a text that i will be able to comprehend

Boredcast Message from 'psb': Sun Jul 28 01:17:43 1996

there is a good article on the mind-body problem [i wonder if jsl's 
opinion of the m-b problem is the same as the csua general opinion on it]
in the penultimate economist aaron ... talk about dennett, churchland,
ryle chamlers etc ... no searle

Boredcast Message from 'aaron': Sun Jul 28 01:19:07 1996

dennett had a great piece in "mind's i" about mind/body

Boredcast Message from 'aaron': Sun Jul 28 01:19:24 1996

rhetoric 10 was actually a great class...good prof

Boredcast Message from 'psb': Sun Jul 28 01:19:02 1996

i wonder if the csua has an "opinion" on the arrow impossibility theorem :-)
hahahhahahhaha

Boredcast Message from 'peterm': Sun Jul 28 01:19:28 1996

the current scientific american has an article
on how cells differentiate into different tissues and
organs in an embryo

Boredcast Message from 'peterm': Sun Jul 28 01:20:35 1996

I ddint' get a chance to read much of it

Boredcast Message from 'aaron': Sun Jul 28 01:20:41 1996

does jsl's act of informing the membship of her appraisal of the general
will create a feedback loop?

Boredcast Message from 'pld': Sun Jul 28 01:20:55 1996

does it discuss left/right differentiation

Boredcast Message from 'psb': Sun Jul 28 01:20:27 1996

i wonder is this "question time" with the csua president
would be of "general interest" to the csua ... maybe someone should post
it to ucb.org.csua

Boredcast Message from 'peterm': Sun Jul 28 01:22:07 1996

what effect do you intend producing with such a post, psb?

Boredcast Message from 'aaron': Sun Jul 28 01:22:29 1996

uh paul i knew i had a msg with a peruvian addr in it but now i am unable
to get a fix on it

Boredcast Message from 'psb': Sun Jul 28 01:22:36 1996

dont you think the csua should be aware of the power of their
opinion to shape that of their leader[s] ... it might motivate people
to be more involved

Boredcast Message from 'aaron': Sun Jul 28 01:23:34 1996

pld elucidated:
> geb is hofstadter

you know now that i think more about "mind's i" i realize that all of the
good stuff in it were included essays not written by hofstadter

Boredcast Message from 'peterm': Sun Jul 28 01:23:32 1996

julie's already made very vocal efforts to
get the opinions of her constituents
on several issues

Boredcast Message from 'aaron': Sun Jul 28 01:24:05 1996

i will say that i like dennett though - i like the way he develops his
arguments

Boredcast Message from 'psb': Sun Jul 28 01:24:02 1996

i certainly learned a lot tonight peter. didnt you find this 
enlightening about the president? 

Boredcast Message from 'pld': Sun Jul 28 01:24:37 1996

what is mind's i?

Boredcast Message from 'aaron': Sun Jul 28 01:24:57 1996

maybe jsl doesn't have any background or convictions in the csua political
arena and is at a loss what to do.  in an effort not to piss people off she
is "polling"

Boredcast Message from 'pld': Sun Jul 28 01:25:06 1996

programa contisuyo
catilla 35
Ilo, PERU
it may be castillo, I get it mixed up

Boredcast Message from 'aaron': Sun Jul 28 01:25:28 1996

"the mind's i" is a hofstadter book with lots of essays on mind/body and AI
framed by a hofstadter story

Boredcast Message from 'aaron': Sun Jul 28 01:25:36 1996

it was an assigned rhet 10 text

Boredcast Message from 'psb': Sun Jul 28 01:25:39 1996

this will help with the polling.

Boredcast Message from 'aaron': Sun Jul 28 01:43:19 1996

hmm need some coke

Boredcast Message from 'aaron': Sun Jul 28 01:43:37 1996

some companies give you free soda. here at veritas we get free blow.

Boredcast Message from 'josh': Sun Jul 28 01:44:27 1996

#define Throw return 0 <

Boredcast Message from 'josh': Sun Jul 28 01:46:12 1996

all people who can think of a useful reason for that macro are cool.

Boredcast Message from 'pld': Sun Jul 28 01:48:41 1996

aaron walled:
> some companies give you free soda. here at veritas we get free blow.

doesn't loreena get jealous

Boredcast Message from 'pld': Sun Jul 28 01:49:43 1996

josh, you haven't embedded perl into any c apps ahve you?

Boredcast Message from 'aaron': Sun Jul 28 01:49:44 1996

i share with her

Boredcast Message from 'josh': Sun Jul 28 01:50:29 1996

no, I needed a macro that I could prefix an expression with to insure
and validiate a certain programming requirement.
it needed to have lower precedence than <<.

Boredcast Message from 'pld': Sun Jul 28 01:52:52 1996

that was separate from the throw question, actually

Boredcast Message from 'josh': Sun Jul 28 01:53:14 1996

oh, no, I don't really use perl.

Boredcast Message from 'josh': Sun Jul 28 01:53:38 1996

have you?  that's pretty cool.

Boredcast Message from 'pld': Sun Jul 28 01:54:30 1996

i don't have any docs for tcl, and i was just reading in the man pages that
it was easy to do for perl, so i did, kind of
i'm not sure about the perl calling c code, but the reverse is kinda easy

Boredcast Message from 'pld': Sun Jul 28 01:54:44 1996

void
InterpInit(char* env[])
{
    int		fake_argc = 1;
    char*	fake_argv[2] = {"foo", "init.pl"};

    interp = perl_alloc();
    perl_construct(interp);
    perl_parse(interp, NULL, fake_argc, fake_argv, env);
    perl_run(interp);
}

Boredcast Message from 'aaron': Sun Jul 28 02:04:12 1996

goodnight

Boredcast Message from 'jsl': Sun Jul 28 02:06:29 1996

*yawn*
goodnight.

Boredcast Message from 'ali': Sun Jul 28 02:35:24 1996

pld, it is trivial to do it with tcl too.

Boredcast Message from 'pld': Sun Jul 28 02:35:47 1996

well, not without man pages

Boredcast Message from 'ali': Sun Jul 28 02:35:40 1996

and the reverse is even cooler if you use my automatic tcl wrapper generate
or of rule.

Boredcast Message from 'dpetrou': Sun Jul 28 02:59:14 1996

     "When I see a fire, I feel my anger rising.  This was not a friendly
     fire.  This was not a forest fire.  It was a fire *in the woods*.
     This is all I am permitted to say."

Boredcast Message from 'dpetrou': Sun Jul 28 02:59:48 1996

     "Miscommunication sometimes leads to arguments, and arugments 
     sometimes lead to fights.  Anger is usually present in arguments
     and fights.  Anger is an emotion, usually classified as a negative
     emotion.  Negative emotions can cause severe problems in our
     environment and to the health of our body.
     
     "Happiness, usually classified as a positive emotion, can bring
     good health to our body, and spread positive vibrations into our
     environment.  Sometimes when we are ill, we are not on our best
     behavior.  By ill, I mean any of the following: physically ill,
     emotionally ill, mentally ill, and/or spiritually ill."

Boredcast Message from 'ali': Sun Jul 28 03:02:29 1996

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trn sucks

Boredcast Message from 'jon': Sun Jul 28 03:02:49 1996

cool, i have a terminal again

Boredcast Message from 'jon': Sun Jul 28 03:04:29 1996

you need to read news more often ali

Boredcast Message from 'jon': Sun Jul 28 03:19:26 1996

ding