# Presentation: 228084

## A View from the Top

**A View from the Top**

- November 28-29
- Dallas TX

## Participating Organizations

**www.scidac.org/ScalableSystems**

**Coordinator: Al Geist**

**Participating Organizations**

**ORNL**
**ANL**
**LBNL**
**PNNL**

**PSC**
**SDSC**
**IBM**
**Compaq**

**SNL**
**LANL**
**Ames**
**NCSA**

**SGI**
**Scyld**
**Intel**
**Unlimited Scale**

**Participating Organizations**

**Main Web Site**

## Scalable Systems Software Center

- August 14-15
- Atlanta GA

**Review of Last Meeting**

## Consensus and Voting Rules:

**Written Documentation:**
- Written draft standards available to everyone in Project notebook
- Drafts must be presented week to 10 days before a vote
- Errata or extensions—revisit interface standard every 6 months
**Voting:**
- Pass with simple majority of people voting yes/no
- Who can vote?
- Organizations with physical attendance at 2 of last 3 meetings
- One vote per organization
- No email-in or phone votes accepted.
- Straw votes are non-binding and many can be used for guidance
- Two formal votes are required to accept a chapter for final vote
- 	Both votes can’t occur at the same meeting.
- Global vote of whole document as standard interface

## Strawman

- database

**Strawman**
**a common integrated interface framework**

- common pool of attributes

- XML format for attributes
- Standardized request protocol
- Choose an existing transfer protocol-TCP
- Every component uses the same framework

- Vendor
- optimized

- highly scalable version

- Easy to swap components

- User
- Host
- OS
- Mem
- Allocation
- Etc...

## Working Groups Formed

- Access Control
- Security Manager

- Meta
- Scheduler

- Meta
- Monitor

- Meta
- Manager

- Interacts with
- all components

- Accounting

- Scheduler

- System
- Monitor

- Node
- Configuration
- & Build
- Manager

- User DB

- Resource
- Allocation
- Management

- Queue
- Manager

- Job
- Manager /
- Monitor

- Data
- Migration

- Usage
- Reports

- User
- Utilities

- High
- Performance
- Communication
- & I/O

- Checkpoint /
- Restart

- File
- System

- Application Environment

- Meta Services

- Mechanism
- Paul

- Testing &
- Validation

- Infrastructure
- Narayan

- Validation
- Doug

- Not Us

## Working Groups Leaders

**Working Groups Leaders**

**Node build, configuration, and information service**
**     **leader: Narayan Desai** **
**Resource management, scheduling, and accounting **
**     **leader: Scott Jackson** **
**Proccess management, system monitoring, and checkpointing **
**     **leader: Paul Hargrove** **
**Validation and Integration **
**     **leader: Doug Doerfler** **

- Volunteer to replace Doug
- leader: Erik Debenedictis

## Scalable Systems Software Center

- August - November

**Progress Since Last Meeting**

## Five Notebooks in place and filling up

**A main notebook for general information**
**And individual notebooks for each working group**
- Allows groups to keep track of other groups progress and comment on the items of overlap
- Allows Center members and interested parties to see what is being defined and implemented
- Over 75 pages of notes added in the last quarter

- Get to all notebooks through main web site
**www.scidac.org/ScalableSystems**
- Click on side bar or at “project notebooks” at bottom of page** **

## Three Weekly Working Group Telecoms 

**Resource management, scheduling, and accounting **
**     **Tuesday 3:00 pm (Eastern)**  1-800-664-0771   keyword “SSS mtg”**
**Proccess management, system monitoring, and checkpointing **
**     **Thursday 1:00 pm (Eastern) ** 1-877-252-5250  mtg code 160910**
**Node build, configuration, and information service**
**     **Friday  3:00 pm (Eastern)  **1-888-469-1934  mtgcode 58145**

- Well attended and a lot of cross fertilization
- (meeting notes are in the notebooks)

## Working Group Mailing Lists 

**Resource management working group **
**     ****sss-rm@lyris.pnl.gov**
**Proccess management working group **
**     ****sss-pmwg@lbl.gov**
**Node build, configuration working group**
**     ****sss-infrastructure@mcs.anl.gov**

- Mailing lists used for
- notification of new notebook entries
- meeting setup or changes
- Not for ideas and proposals

## Scalable Systems Software Center

- November 28-29,2001

**This Meeting**

## Agenda – November 28

-   8:00     Breakfast
-   8:30     Al Geist – “View from the Top”
-   9:00     Fred Johnson – MICS report
-   9:30     Mark Seager – A  proposal
- 10:00     Discussion
- 10:30     Break
- 11:00     Erik Debenedictis – XML and Validation
- 12:00     Lunch  (on own but go somewhere as group)
-   1:00     Paul Hargrove – Process Management
-   2:00     Narayan Desi – Node Build, Configure
-   3.00      Break
-   3:30      Scott Jackson – Resource Management
-   4:30      Discussion – Information services and other
-                                      cross cutting topics
-   5:30      Adjourn
- Working groups may wish to get together in evening

## Agenda – November 29

-   8:00     Breakfast
-   8:30     Discussion, proposals, strawvotes
- 10:30     Break
- 11:00     Al Geist – Summary
-                                 next steps overall and for working groups
-                                 next meeting
- 12:00     meeting ends

## Meeting notes

- Fred’s Talk. - Presents presentation to Decker (slides in notebook)
- Program management is a big focus now for SciDAC projects
- ISICs got $20M of $37M so they are under the microscope
- Interactions chart – SSS shows links for one BES and CCA and Grid
- Future SciDAC issues
-     no topical centers being funded in 02 – will be a focus for 03
-     initial SciDAC focus is on software
-     software platfom is Chiba City.
-     materials and genomics are not in SciDAC yet.
- What is impact of Sept 11 on SciDAC?
-     none in 02 – still being sorted out for 03 and beyond
-     SSS doesn’t have to do anything about this now.
- ISIC management document that Fred sent out.
-     more proactive and project management approach
-     **quarterly report and revised work scope due December**
-     filling out names into slots labeled postdoc
-     PI meeting January 15-16 in DC – limited attendance
-     All (7) ISIC group mtg Wednesday afternoon – 10 min overview talk @

## Meeting notes

- Annual PI meeting cont.
- Wednesday need to prepare a SSS poster ( use SC2001 poster )
- ISIC Observer – David Keyes will go around and report if this venue worked
- What about base program posters?
-    Not this time
- A number of overlapping projects with base program
-    Scalable Systems Software (Remy funding thru Science Appliance)
-    Science Appliance – Linux BIOS and Fault tolerance
-    ukernel effort – for C-Plant
-    Advanced Programming Models – looking at performance and expressibility
- About mid-summer will have a all CS PI meeting including the above.
- What is the view of this particular ISIC
-    Notebooks get a gold star
-    Training other ISICs to use this
-    He sees two goals – interface standard and reference implementation
-    Both need to be made progress  on. Grab low fruit early.
-    Have very clear measures of progress

## Meeting notes

- What do you want us to do WRT filling out the interaction chart
-     There are parallel startup connections
-     The PI meeting may show other connections
-     Need a clear statement of  what interactions SSS are  appropriate
-     Getting information back to the user
- ASCI coordination with SciDAC is underway.
**Perhaps form a stakeholder group made up of a few apps folks **
**and Center managers**

## Meeting notes

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## Meeting notes