# Presentation: 059479

##  Globalization Working Group

-  **International Steering**
** ****Structure of the Lab**
** ****Operation of the Lab**
** ****Career Issues**

- Veronique Boisvert, John Krane,  Gudrid Moortgat-Pick, Thomas Nunnemann, Manuel Toharia, Mark Palmer, Matthew Sharp, Wolfgang Walkowiak with Mary Bishai, Edward McKigney,

- Please consult our
- Working Documents
- 7/3/01 for full discussionof issues.

**Notes:**
Leading role for the US -> leading role for HEP and the advancement of science

## International Steering

- Wanted to gauge the support for international advisory groups, such as ICFA.
- general advice to the field and to governments (help find consensus)
- selecting the next very large facility (bypass general consensus?)
- funding power for very large projects only,for a limited time span
- National programs continue unaffected

**Notes:**
There exist several international agencies that investigate and advise governments on available options in HEP.

Lose some national control, but gain credibility and sense of unity.

One country one vote?  How could you weight votes?

Should the next frontier facility be determined by international committee, national committee decision – then seek partners, ???. 

## International Steering

- Should funding agencies rely more heavily on advisory bodies like ICFA, GAN, etc.?  Yes: ~50%,  No: a few,  Abstain: ~50% (inferred)
- Do you think an international committee should determine the type/location of the next machine? Yes, Abstain: similar numbers, No: a few
- Should an international group eventually have funding power?  Yes: a few, No: a few, Abstain: majority

- Results show both support and hesitancy

**Notes:**
There exist several international agencies that investigate and advise governments on available options in HEP.

Lose some national control, but gain credibility and sense of unity.

One country one vote?  How could you weight votes?

Should the next frontier facility be determined by international committee, national committee decision – then seek partners, ???. 

## Structure of an International Lab

- The next frontier facility can take several organizational forms, each with advantages and disadvantages:
- National lab model: easy to implement but might be more susceptible to politics. (Setup like FNAL, DESY)
- Shared international organization: GAN-like Each nation has representatives on a council, share construction and operation costs(or provide same value through equipment)
- Autonomous organization: CERN model politically difficult (treaty required), might be optimal in principle.

**Notes:**
The shared organization has never been done.  Council determines the administration.

CERN-like might never be done again.  Established by treaty and has no end date.  Funding agencies don’t like permanent commitments.  If we decide it is best, then it is worth some effort to change minds.  How about CERN-like but with a time limit?

Might also mention DESY model might work for a rich-enough host country.

## Structure of an International Lab

- National organization + contributions*FNAL or DESY-like**	*Selected by: 10
- Shared organizationAll nations contribute to construction, operation, staff*TESLA or GAN-like **	*Selected by: 30
- Self-organizationAll nations contribute to an international organization, which autonomously runs the projects*CERN-like**	**	**	*Selected by: 10-15

- Shared model was most accepted

**Notes:**
The shared organization has never been done.  Council determines the administration.

CERN-like might never be done again.  Established by treaty and has no end date.  Funding agencies don’t like permanent commitments.  If we decide it is best, then it is worth some effort to change minds.  How about CERN-like but with a time limit?

Might also mention DESY model might work for a rich-enough host country.

## Operation of an International Lab

- GAN has proposed regional centers that have remote control rooms, excellent (permanent?) video conferencing, and data analysis and storage capability.  Could this work from both a technological and sociological standpoint?
- RC at national labs ensure involvement, expertise will stay in country; local hardware facility is another benefit.
- University-based RC’s might not need the hardware capability – smaller, cheaper, yet provides the education currently available only at the labs.

- Will a single new facility result in less vigorous research programs in nations far from the site?

**Notes:**
We should maintain and foster strong HEP programs in each participating country.
The proposed regional center is a place with remote “virtual” control rooms, excellent video conferencing, and data storage and analysis capabilities.

A good way to maintain a sense of community when far from the lab?  Imagine sending RC people to the lab for training, to establish working relationships, imagine having collaboration meetings at different regional centers each year, etc.  But is that enough to make the social aspects (trust) work?

The technical aspect is a second concern.  Remote data farms already exist for experiments.  Accelerators are already operated “by wire” (but locally).

## Operation of an International Lab

- Would funds now bypass universities?
- Less hands-on experience for young physicists?
- 	-> University-based RC’s could help.

|  | Yes | No | Abstain |
| --- | --- | --- | --- |
| Acceler. Control | 20 | 20 | 15 |
| Experim. Analyses | 35 | 16 | Didn’t ask  |
| Experim. Control | 15 | 30 | 10 |

- Response was conservative.

-  less risky?

- Are regional centers viable, desirable solution for

**Notes:**
We should maintain and foster strong HEP programs in each participating country.
The proposed regional center is a place with remote “virtual” control rooms, excellent video conferencing, and data storage and analysis capabilities.

A good way to maintain a sense of community when far from the lab?  Imagine sending RC people to the lab for training, to establish working relationships, imagine having collaboration meetings at different regional centers each year, etc.  But is that enough to make the social aspects (trust) work?

The technical aspect is a second concern.  Remote data farms already exist for experiments.  Accelerators are already operated “by wire” (but locally).

## National labs should keep a strong role.

- Frequency of RC vs labs

- Some survey results

**Notes:**
We should maintain and foster strong HEP programs in each participating country.
The proposed regional center is a place with remote “virtual” control rooms, excellent video conferencing, and data storage and analysis capabilities.

A good way to maintain a sense of community when far from the lab?  Imagine sending RC people to the lab for training, to establish working relationships, imagine having collaboration meetings at different regional centers each year, etc.  But is that enough to make the social aspects (trust) work?

The technical aspect is a second concern.  Remote data farms already exist for experiments.  Accelerators are already operated “by wire” (but locally).

## Most feel detector proximity is very important.

- Regional centers make things “easier” (if they become viable)

**Notes:**
We should maintain and foster strong HEP programs in each participating country.
The proposed regional center is a place with remote “virtual” control rooms, excellent video conferencing, and data storage and analysis capabilities.

A good way to maintain a sense of community when far from the lab?  Imagine sending RC people to the lab for training, to establish working relationships, imagine having collaboration meetings at different regional centers each year, etc.  But is that enough to make the social aspects (trust) work?

The technical aspect is a second concern.  Remote data farms already exist for experiments.  Accelerators are already operated “by wire” (but locally).

## Career Issues

- European physicists easily work in foreign countries, including the US, and assume it will be done. Attitude differs in US.
- Many US citizens expressed pride a the high rate of immigration -> few barriers to entry and permanent jobs.  Apparently, EU has rules making Univ. positions difficult to obtain by US citizens.
- Support for a foreign language requirement for physics majors.

- No votes, only discussion

**Notes:**
These issues must be addressed to make a global laboratory run smoothly, especially if we do not have regional centers in some form.

Should overseas work be an advantage?  Doesn’t it broaden a scientist?