# Presentation: 082755

## U.S. Department ofVeterans Affairs&State Approving Agencies

**RON SCOGGINS**
**Senior Education Liaison Representative**
**St. Petersburg Office**
**Atlanta Regional Processing Office**

## The Original GI BillPublic Law 78-346

**VA to determine veteran eligibility and    make payments**

**States to determine at which schools those veterans could use their benefits**

**Signed by President Franklin D. Roosevelt on June 22, 1944.**

## WHAT DOES VA DO?

**Makes payments under the various GI Bill programs**.

**Contracts with each state to approve programs**.

**Reimburses each state for all expenses**.

**Reviews approvals submitted by SAA**.

**Determines veteran eligibility**.

## WHAT DOES THE SAA DO?

**Reviews school/program applications for  state and federal requirements.**

**Visits school sites to determine that they can provide the training.**

**Approves programs and notifies schools and VA of the approval.**

**Investigates & resolves complaints against schools.**

**Performs outreach as necessary.**

## REMEMBER!

**VA** is a **FEDERAL** agency which determines whether or not a veteran, dependent, or reservist is eligible for the GI Bill.

- Each **SAA** is a **STATE** agency which determines whether or not a school or program can be approved for veterans.

## VA - SAA

-    **A PARTNERSHIP OF THE SEVERAL STATES AND THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT FOR THE PURPOSE OF SERVING THOSE WHO HAVE SERVED US.**

## COMPLIANCE SURVEYS 

**What are they?**

**What happens during them?**

**How do I get rid of this government agent?**

## What is a compliance survey?

**A.** **It’s a method to determine the accuracy of elevation lines on topographical maps.**

**B.** **They are the government’s way of checking on the effectiveness of the federal witness protection program.**

**C.** **It is VA’s job training program for former KGB agents.**

**D.**** VA’s program to insure the integrity of the GI Bill and help schools serve their veteran students.**

## How often do we conduct them?

**A.** **Whenever we receive information from our informants that you are being bad.**

**B.** **Whenever we get cabin fever and need to get out of the office.**

**C.** **We use a complicated formula which involves the  Pythagorean Theorem and something about the  number**** ****of coconut palms in Tahiti.**

**D.**** Once every three years or more often if needed. Flight schools once each year.**

## How do we select schools for our compliance survey schedule?

**A.** **We use a dart board with school names on it.  If you pay a nice gratuity, your school’s name will go on the edge or even off the board.**

**B.** **If you complain about something, we’ll be at your door.**

**C.** **Seminoles pick Gators, Yellow Jackets pick Bulldogs, Blue Devils pick Tar Heels, etc.**

**D.**** We use a three year schedule.  New schools are  surveyed once they enroll their first VA students.**

## How do we arrange our visit to your campus?

**A.** **We have a mole at your school who tells us when you will not be there.  That’s when we show up.**

**B.** **We show up without notice at the time we figure should be the worst, e.g., registration.**

**C.** **We ask you provide a nice baseball field for us.  When you build it we will come.**

**D.**** We schedule all schools in advance, trying to avoid busy periods where possible.  We call you a week or two in advance to make an appointment and follow up with a confirmation letter.**

## How do we select the student files that we review? 

**A.** **We have a computer program which picks your worst cases.**

**B.** **If a veteran complains, we’ll pick his file.**

**C.** **We use a complicated formula involving the Quadratic Equation and a list of distilleries in Scotland.**

**D.**** We randomly select an appropriate number of cases from a listing of the VA students currently receiving benefits at your school.**

## What do we review at Institutions of Higher Learning?

**A.** **We pretend to review files while we plan our next vacation.**

**B.**** We review transcripts and drop slips along with your copies of VA paperwork to insure the propriety of payments.**

**C.**** We review your tuition payment ledger to determine that veterans do not pay more than non-veterans.**

**D.**** We review our records of tutorial assistance, advertising, work study contracts, & interview work study students.**

## What do we review at non college degree schools?

**A.** **Nothing.  We just camp out at your culinary arts program & wait for lunch.**

**B.**** We review the same records as at IHL’s with the exception of tutorial assistance.**

**C.**** We review attendance records to insure that approved standards of attendance are being enforced.**

**D.** **We take our government vehicle to your auto repair program and chop it up for parts.**

## What do we do when we find errors?

**A.** **We leave when you’re not looking then send a nasty memo to your President telling on you.**

**B.** **Nothing - You wine and dine us and you’ll be fine.**

**C.** **We always find something.  If we don’t, we make something up & tell you about it in Armenian.**

**D.**** We discuss each error with you as we find them.  Once the visit is completed we sit down with you to go over our findings.  After our return to the office, an official letter detailing our findings is mailed to your school’s chief officer.**

## How Long Must We Keep Records?

**A.**** Until Simon says.**

**B.**** Until the third Monday after the first full moon after the Vernal Equinox on the twenty fifth anniversary of the Queen’s Jubilee.**

**C.**** Shred all paperwork the day after it’s created to hide the evidence.**

**D.**** ****For three years after each VA student’s last date of attendance.**

## What gives us the authority to review all these records without the permission of each student?

**Title 38 United States Code, Section 3690(c)**
**Notwithstanding any other provision of law, the records and accounts of educational institutions pertaining to eligible veterans or eligible persons....as well as the records of other students which the Secretary determines necessary to ascertain institutional compliance with the requirements of such chapters, shall be available for examination by duly authorized representatives of the Government.**

## QUESTIONS?

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