Minutes for Long-term Subgroup Meeting of Collaborative Routing (CR)

Wed 10/11/00; Metron, Reston VA.

Minutes by: Bob Hoffman, Metron

+------------------+-----------------+------------+--------------------+
| ## **Name**      | # Organization  | **Phone**  | **Email**          |
+------------------+-----------------+------------+--------------------+
| Mark             | Metron          | 70         | <Klopfe            |
| Klopfenstein     |                 | 3-787-8700 | nstein@metsci.com> |
+------------------+-----------------+------------+--------------------+
| Tony Chamblis    | MITRE/CAASD     | 70         | Achambl@mitre.org  |
|                  |                 | 3-883-6611 |                    |
+------------------+-----------------+------------+--------------------+
| # Terri Rose     | **ORNL**        | **865-     | [**tav@y1          |
|                  |                 | 574-5223** | 2.doc.gov**](mailt |
|                  |                 |            | o:tav@y12.doc.gov) |
+------------------+-----------------+------------+--------------------+
| Roger Beatty     | AAL             | 81         | <Rbeatty@gte.net>  |
|                  |                 | 7-931-0951 |                    |
+------------------+-----------------+------------+--------------------+
| Loraine Sandusky | COA             | 71         | [Lsandu            |
|                  |                 | 3-324-7276 | @coair.com](mailto |
|                  |                 |            | :lsandu@coair.com) |
+------------------+-----------------+------------+--------------------+
| Ed Chorcoran     | FAA/ATCSCC      | 70         | <Ed                |
|                  |                 | 3-904-4524 | .corcoran@FAA.gov> |
+------------------+-----------------+------------+--------------------+
| Joe Bertapelle   | AAL             | 81         | <Joebertap         |
|                  |                 | 7-967-8343 | elle@amercorp.com> |
+------------------+-----------------+------------+--------------------+
| John Martin      | ATA             | 70         | <jmartin@          |
|                  |                 | 3-904-4534 | air-transport.org> |
+------------------+-----------------+------------+--------------------+
| Ken Howard       | Volpe           | 61         | <KenHow            |
|                  |                 | 7-494-2697 | ard@volpe.dot.gov> |
+------------------+-----------------+------------+--------------------+
| Dutch Homan      | COMAIR          | 85         | [dhoman@           |
|                  |                 | 9-767-1349 | comair.com](mailto |
|                  |                 |            | :dhoman@cmair.com) |
+------------------+-----------------+------------+--------------------+
| Mike Nadon       | TWA             | 31         | <Mjnadon@twa.com>  |
|                  |                 | 4-551-1672 |                    |
+------------------+-----------------+------------+--------------------+
| Bill Leber       | NWA-KLM         | 61         | <Will              |
|                  |                 | 2-727-0293 | iam.leber@nwa.com> |
+------------------+-----------------+------------+--------------------+
| **James Rome**   | **ORNL**        | **865-     | [**                |
|                  |                 | 574-1306** | Jar@ornl.gov**](ma |
|                  |                 |            | ilto:Jar@ornl.gov) |
+------------------+-----------------+------------+--------------------+
| Russ Gold        | Fox             | 90         | [Rgol              |
|                  |                 | 1-224-9918 | d@fedex.com](mailt |
|                  |                 |            | o:rgold@fedex.com) |
+------------------+-----------------+------------+--------------------+
| Jim Houde        | AUATAC          | 70         | [Jh                |
|                  |                 | 3-345-8787 | oude@cta.com](mail |
|                  |                 |            | to:jhoude@cta.com) |
+------------------+-----------------+------------+--------------------+
| Jim Garlitz      | AUATAC          | 70         | \@FAA.gov          |
|                  |                 | 3-345-8901 |                    |
+------------------+-----------------+------------+--------------------+
| John Moffatt     | Delta           | 40         | <John.moff         |
|                  |                 | 4-715-1993 | att@delta-air.com> |
+------------------+-----------------+------------+--------------------+
| Phil Smith       | OSU             | 61         | <Phil+@osu.edu>    |
|                  |                 | 4-292-2420 |                    |
+------------------+-----------------+------------+--------------------+
| Mike Baker       | SUA, SWA        | 21         | Michael_s_baker@   |
|                  |                 | 4-792-6395 |                    |
+------------------+-----------------+------------+--------------------+
| Chris Pear       | UAL             | 87         | <Chr               |
|                  |                 | 7-601-9224 | is.d.pear@ual.com> |
+------------------+-----------------+------------+--------------------+
| Mike Ball        | UMD-NEXTOR      | 30         | Mba                |
|                  |                 | 1-405-6622 | ll@rhsmith.umd.edu |
+------------------+-----------------+------------+--------------------+
| Bob White        | Metron          | 30         | [Bxwhite@bxwh      |
|                  |                 | 1-651-1730 | ite.com](mailto:bx |
|                  |                 |            | white@bxwhite.com) |
+------------------+-----------------+------------+--------------------+
| Michelle A.      | ADF             | 90         | [Michelle@a        |
| Duquette         |                 | 1-277-7435 | ella.com](mailto:m |
|                  |                 |            | ichelle@aella.com) |
+------------------+-----------------+------------+--------------------+
| Diana Gaeta      | COA             | 71         | <Dg3700@aol.com>   |
|                  |                 | 3-324-7500 |                    |
+------------------+-----------------+------------+--------------------+
| Lorraine         | FAA             | 70         | <Lorraine          |
| Vomaclea         |                 | 3-925-3184 | .vomaclea@FAA.gov> |
+------------------+-----------------+------------+--------------------+
| Forrest Terral   | FAA             | 70         | Forr               |
|                  |                 | 3-925-3115 | est.terral@FAA.gov |
+------------------+-----------------+------------+--------------------+
| Bob Hoffman      | Metron          | 70         | <Hoff@metsci.com>  |
|                  |                 | 3-787-8700 |                    |
+------------------+-----------------+------------+--------------------+
| Mike Wambsganss  | Metron          | 70         | <Wamb              |
|                  |                 | 3-787-8700 | sganss@metsci.com> |
+------------------+-----------------+------------+--------------------+
| Scott Foose      | Regional Air    | 20         | Scot               |
|                  | Assoc.          | 2-367-1170 | t_foose@dc.sba.com |
+------------------+-----------------+------------+--------------------+

**Summary:**

# The purpose of the meeting was to discuss the provision of FCAs to the User community. Jim Wetherly (FAA) and Mark Klopfenstein (Metron) each made a presentation and led discussions of distribution of FCAs to Users. Items were identified that would be helpful if provided along with the FCAs, (e.g., an impacted flight list). Many of these suggetions, however, are much longer term. Provision of FCAs is an incremental first step. Gretchen Wilmouth (Metron) demonstrated the latest developments on GCDR. 

# It was agreed that an Industry Day will be held on Nov 28 (first day of workshop), a chance for vendors, Universities, Mitre, etc. to demo prospective tools for deployment. 

Note: Troy Gascon will replace Forrest Terral as FAA representative to
CR.

# 

# Two action items came out of the meeting:

**Action Items**:

1.  Early intent data collection: Volunteers: NWA, UAL, TWA. We need a
    single day dump of routes filed 4-6 hours in advance. Send data to
    Mark Klopfenstein. We want route, altitude, time that would be
    selected 4-6 hours in advance versus filed/actual. Do on day with no
    convective activity. Domestic most helpful but Get IS people
    notified. Report back at November CR workshop. Day of study will be
    picked then.

2.  We need an FCA tool group. Need 3-5 AOC reps to commit to working
    with this. Volunteers: UAL, FedEx, NWA, SWA, COMAIR. Is it
    beneficial? How can it be made more beneficial? Have preliminary
    thoughts by Nov. 29 (CR workshop). Chris Pear will lead the effort.
    October 31 meeting at CC.

**Minutes:**

**0900: Opening comments by Jim Wetherly**

1\) Jim Wetherly discussed the need for the current (short term focus)
effort and also gave an overview of the on-going longer term R & D
activities.

**1000: Metron presentation, Mark Klopfenstein**

Mark Klopenstein presented material on a proposed FCA information
distribution capability and led a discussion on tool requirements and
how the users would take advantages of the tool .

-   Mark went over some scenarios to elicit issues/needs surrounding the
    issuance of FCA. There were many side discussions, the jist of which
    was limitations of having only an FCA broadcast. Demand and capacity
    were two key elements identified that need to (eventually) accompany
    FCAs.

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-   Ken Howard indicated that the development concept is for a tool
    which promulgates FCA info, including list of impacted flights, to
    the airlines;

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-   Airline representative expressed a need for more specific
    information on the flights impacted by advisories \-- now, when an
    advisory is issued, e.g. indicated that flights will be shifted from
    J70 to J80, AAL does not know which of its flights will be rerouted;
    there was a consensus that there is a need to connect advisories to
    the FCA (and the associated list of impacted flights).

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-   There was a discussion that led to the general consensus that the
    list of flights impacted by an advisory, within a FCA, etc. is
    always changing -- in fact, the biggest difference between the
    enroute environment and the GDP environment is the much larger
    degree of uncertainty.

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-   Three scenarios were reviewed:

    a.  FCA is boundary to ZDC03;

    b.  Weather scenario FCA 19-2100Z; 2 hrs in advance predicted to
        have zero capacity;

    c.  FCA in mid-west; small FCA but many flights.

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-   There was a discussion related to the complexity of the 2^nd^
    scenario in the manner of displaying. Bill Leber indicated that an
    FCA tool may not be appropriate for this example. Ken Howard
    indicated that as part of the FCA tool, monitor alert information
    would also be distributed so for certain scenarios the combination
    might convey the totality of the problem.

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-   There was a debate about the merits of early filing; prior NWA
    experience indicates early filed routes are \~90% accurate; AAL not
    sure whether that experience would carry over to them; agreement
    that this issue required further investigation.

**1230: Lunch break.**

**1300: GCDR Metron Demo, "What's new in GCDR?", Gretchen Wilmouth,
Metron.**

Power Point overview slides, followed by live demo of features.

-   Mike Baker: When ready? Spring 2001 (April, May timeframe)

-   Roger: MIT display? Later in presentation

-   Loraine S: Can GCDR label the routes selected for showing? Not yet,
    will add this feature

-   Database problem/change

-   Bill Leber: Can demand be shown? Forrest: you'll have monitor alert,
    but not on GCDR.

-   Mike Nadon: where are the thermometers? Mark K: no, that was
    previous demo tool built on the same platform.

-   Roger: might be good to see pref route in a different color by
    default. Gretchen: you can set this (just not coming out on this
    screen demo).

-   Roger: Do you archive old data e.g., use POET to analyze? Gretchen:
    we have flat files, but that's good suggestion.

-   Loraine: \[didn't catch her Q\] Gretchen: *Show/Hide* table will
    tell you when it was created/modified.

-   Roger: Could you do it \[what?\] by arrival center instead of
    departure? Gretchen: no, but this is another good idea.

-   Loraine S: Plans to update pref routes? Forrest: updated every 56
    days. If not on CD, then they don't exist.

-   General interest in overlays expressed during MIT demo.

-   Bill Leber: Update rate? Forrest: (restriction) data coming from
    national logs program; maybe every 3 or 5 minutes.

-   Mike Nadon/Joe Bertapelle: When MIT restrictions go into the
    national log, is it date-stamped? Forrest: no names, but you'll have
    where it originated.

-   Mike Nadon: MIT often put on airways. Gretchen: multiple MITs will
    be shown eventually

-   Bill Leber: What other weather data will be put on this tool?
    Forrest: none but, there is extra weather data going into POET. Ken
    Howard: senders want \$ for this, not free.

-   Mike W: what do you guys think of this? Bill Leber: great, this is
    what I came for here today; we have dates, plans, etc., to give back
    at operations.

-   Forrest: remember that allow 60-90 days lag between FAA delivery and
    AOC delivery. So, we would need it by December, if AOCs are to have
    it by Spring. Mike Nadon: we would like to have it at the same time.
    Mark K: release on demo basis but not operational? Lorraine V: NATCA
    wants same ability but we still have to negotiate.

**1400: General discussion.**

Action items:

Early intent data collection: Volunteers: NWA, UAL, TWA. We need a
single day dump of routes filed 4-6 hours in advance. Send data to Mark
Klopfenstein. We want route, altitude, time that would be selected 4-6
hours in advance versus filed/actual. Do on day with no convective
activity. Domestic most helpful but Get IS people notified. Report back
at November CR workshop. Day of study will be picked then.

We need an FCA tool group. Need 3-5 AOC reps to commit to working with
this. Volunteers: UAL, FedEx, NWA, SWA, COMAIR. Is it beneficial? How
can it be made more beneficial? Have preliminary thoughts by Nov. 29 (CR
workshop). Chris Pear will lead the effort. October 31 meeting at CC.

Note: Troy Gascon will be new CR co-chair (replace Forrest Terral).

Industry Day: Nov 28 first day of workshop, prototype tools can be demo.
Invitation to vendors, NASA, Metron, ORNL, anyone who has ideas to demo
to airlines. Mike W: Industry day? Broaden it to e.g., TAM and others.
Who will formally invite vendors? Mike Nadon, Forrest Terral will put
together list of invitees. Location probably in Dallas.

Snapshots of GCDR should go on website.