FIRE MANAGEMENT LEADERSHIP

**March 26-29, 2007**

**Tucson, Arizona**

# SUMMARY LESSON EVALUATIONS

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| Monday, March 26                                                      |
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| **Instructor:** Terry Daniel **Lesson:** Changing Landscapes and      |
| Future Outlook                                                        |
|                                                                       |
| Dave Bunnell Ecological Role of Fire                                  |
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| **Comments:**                                                         |
|                                                                       |
| -   Good presentation very thought provoking and timely.              |
|                                                                       |
| -   Thanks for including the social side fire. I hope that piece will |
|     be incorporated throughout the rest of the session.               |
|                                                                       |
| -   Excellent presentation with good visuals.                         |
|                                                                       |
| -   Very knowledgeable speakers but exclusively focused on western    |
|     wild fire. No discussion of prescribed fire which is extremely    |
|     important in the plain states and the east.                       |
|                                                                       |
| -   Really liked the audience questions using instant tally. Keeps    |
|     audience engaged and alert. Good sessions.                        |
|                                                                       |
| -   Good way to set the stage for the week                            |
|                                                                       |
| -   Interesting approach by providing insight into the human factor.  |
|                                                                       |
| -   Presentation was compelling and gave a great intro and really put |
|     some perspective on what the situation is. Entertaining! A        |
|     subject we all should be more time evaluations, looking forward   |
|     to reading his book.                                              |
|                                                                       |
| -   Good data, perceptions for future.                                |
|                                                                       |
| -   Presentation was satisfactory -- cut the swearing -- It doesn't   |
|     add to the talk.                                                  |
|                                                                       |
| -   Need total power point information in take home book              |
|                                                                       |
| -   I really liked asking us questions and seeing our responses. I    |
|     will use this for not only fire but for MP                        |
|                                                                       |
| > Beetle mitigation too.                                              |
|                                                                       |
| -   Enjoyed the psychology of fire. Would be nice to have some        |
|     recorded examples (Interviews) with folks that have suffered a    |
|     loss and ask them about why they didn't take presentation active. |
|                                                                       |
| -   Very informative, helped bring in the overall big picture and how |
|     different regions are impacted, some what long needs a little     |
|     variety to break it up.                                           |
|                                                                       |
| -   Daniel's future project very interesting and economic outlook for |
|     fire management is on target.                                     |
|                                                                       |
| -   Very interesting, suspect AA need to her more of this.            |
|                                                                       |
| -   Daniel - strong interest in his dimension of thought emphasis on  |
|     public perspective and influence and state of mind. Terry         |
|     excellent don't change a thing                                    |
|                                                                       |
| -   Terry -- mitigation only a portion of what we do. It might be     |
|     nice to see some profiling during suppression/ WUI events.        |
|                                                                       |
| -   Bunnell -- Good overview set the stage well. Enjoyed presentation |
|     there is a shift in resource workforce.                           |
|                                                                       |
| -   Dave's presentation very sobering and through.                    |
|                                                                       |
| -   Appreciate Dave's real world experience.                          |
|                                                                       |
| -   Effectively set the tone with trend info increasing frequency and |
|     magnitude of fire. Good tips on sustainable motivations towards   |
|     desirable outputs.                                                |
|                                                                       |
| -   Dave is extremely knowledgeable, provide valuable lecture, but    |
|     there was so much information thrown at us so quickly, difficult  |
|     to absorb.                                                        |
|                                                                       |
| -   Terry' presentation seemed disjointed, could not find anything to |
|     grab onto. Handouts would have been helpful here.                 |
|                                                                       |
| -   Lack of interactive opportunities the training to one way         |
|     delivery and limited opportunities to explore and discuss the     |
|     issues which equals little retention.                             |
|                                                                       |
| -   Bunnell did not include any info/data maps showing AK situation,  |
|     just lower 48. Would have been nice to have his presentation as a |
|     handout.                                                          |
|                                                                       |
| -   Excellent big Picture Speaker. Slide one of Fire Regime Group     |
|     1 (1907) shows slash piles with the                               |
|                                                                       |
| > open areas beneath the tall widely spaced pine trees.... So was the |
| > forest floor truly open because                                     |
| >                                                                     |
| > of a 1-10 year fire cycle, or was it a combination of man's         |
| > influence of cutting trees and fire? Maybe                          |
| >                                                                     |
| > a different slide is needed to show historically pristine forest    |
| > habitat to fire influence.                                          |
| >                                                                     |
| > \- Have a good idea of what my limits are as a superintendent,      |
| > would have liked to hear more about                                 |
| >                                                                     |
| > options, alternatives.                                              |
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**FIRE MANAGEMENT LEADERSHIP**

**March 26-29, 2007**

**Tucson, Arizona**

# LESSON EVALUATION

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| Monday, March 26                                                      |
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| **Instructor:** Jim Boynton **Lesson:** Dose of Reality               |
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| **Comments:**                                                         |
|                                                                       |
| -   Room too cold                                                     |
|                                                                       |
| -   Excellent speaker                                                 |
|                                                                       |
| -   Need to remember not everyone has 10 years experience. Sometimes  |
|     hard to follow the specific examples due to lack of background.   |
|     Interesting antidotes and food for thought, but still trying to   |
|     determine exact responsibilities as an agency administrator for   |
|     fire. Q and A was good. Leadership evaluation was that he was     |
|     vague at times and hard to follow.                                |
|                                                                       |
| -   Presentation was rather slow and needed some more presentation    |
|     rather than story telling style.                                  |
|                                                                       |
| -   Excellent speaker, very sincere, knowledgeable, candid and        |
|     honest.                                                           |
|                                                                       |
| -   Great from the heart speaker, a real gift.                        |
|                                                                       |
| -   Good to have this perspective form experience.                    |
|                                                                       |
| -   The speaker had some good stories and experiences, but I feel he  |
|     could have addressed leadership, volumes and how to lead would    |
|     have helped younger more inexperienced leaders.                   |
|                                                                       |
| -   I think this presentation could be changed significantly to help  |
|     us define and understand what leaderships role really is. Is      |
|     easier for me to define it because I have observed good and bad   |
|     leadership from a team perspective for 25 years. Hopefully I have |
|     taken on some of the good for the past 5 years as a district      |
|     ranger. Bottom line show up and not just for the sake of          |
|     overtime. Come with something to give to the class as a whole.    |
|                                                                       |
| -   Personnel examples were very compelling. Liked CRM example        |
|     (surgeon vs. pilot) 30 mile story and perspective was very        |
|     useful.                                                           |
|                                                                       |
| -   Would like to have the guiding principles written in the notes    |
|     that were included.                                               |
|                                                                       |
| -   Good examples of real life throughout presentation. Also enjoyed  |
|     the slides which complimented his message, not verbatim slides    |
|     which leads listener to thoughtless meandering. Thanks for        |
|     refreshed presentation fostering engagement of the listeners.     |
|     Knowledgeable and experience off the top.                         |
|                                                                       |
| -   Thanks for sharing tough circumstances.                           |
|                                                                       |
| -   Helped to bring humanness into managerial decisions because of    |
|     experiences                                                       |
|                                                                       |
| -   Fatality portion is a reality and is a major factor, having lost  |
|     crew members in a storm.                                          |
|                                                                       |
| -   Great to hear of the successes as a leader.                       |
|                                                                       |
| -   Practical leadership models as well as compassion and passion for |
|     work was evident.                                                 |
|                                                                       |
| -   I think the demonstration of safe operation section reminds us    |
|     that it is our responsibility. Appreciate the discussion          |
|     regarding firefighter morale. We are liable for acting outside    |
|     the scope of our duties.                                          |
|                                                                       |
| -   Try to involve participants more                                  |
|                                                                       |
| -   Courageous, it is necessary to speak truthfully about things that |
|     did not go as planned. Speaking about the incident to his group   |
|     was perhaps therapeutic for Jim. There's a lot of weight and      |
|     responsibility to carry that could happen to any of us.           |
|                                                                       |
| -   Presentation lacked depth. The instructive points on leadership   |
|     were much too basic and elementary for this audience. A more      |
|     interactive approach based on one or two key points would have    |
|     brought some liveliness to the session and interest to the        |
|     discussion.                                                       |
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FIRE MANAGEMENT LEADERSHIP

**March 26-29, 2007**

**Tucson, Arizona**

# LESSON EVALUATION

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| Tuesday, March 27                                                     |
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| **Instructor:** Tom Harbour **Lesson:** National View                 |
|                                                                       |
| Mark Beighley                                                         |
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| **Comments:**                                                         |
|                                                                       |
| -   Good information on the big picture, wish they could have been    |
|     present to deliver it.                                            |
|                                                                       |
| -   This session was really hamstrung by the remote location of Tom   |
|     and Mark. At times it lagged and they gave lengthy responses to   |
|     questions. This was especially painful without interaction of a   |
|     live person. Think they took a lot of time to say very little.    |
|                                                                       |
| -   Easy direct communication through technology. Content was well    |
|     prepared -- well targeted.                                        |
|                                                                       |
| -   Very dry and somewhat over the head of non fire folks. Too much   |
|     FS and not enough about other agencies, but overall content okay. |
|                                                                       |
| -   Very good interactive conference presentation, also good          |
|     information regarding potential changes in policy direction and   |
|     fiscal changes and legal challenges.                              |
|                                                                       |
| -   Some of answers given did not directly address questions          |
|     specifics. Example the use of billing across the agencies.        |
|                                                                       |
| -   Would like a copy of power point in advance should insist on      |
|     this, improves learning.                                          |
|                                                                       |
| -   Thank you for sharing the national news. I especially liked the   |
|     outline of issues that needs leadership attention. Sharing        |
|     national hot plates help put things into perspective and help     |
|     better take those items to the ground personnel.                  |
|                                                                       |
| -   Lots of material to cover. National directions needs to be        |
|     cleaned up and proper not political answers be given to the       |
|     questions.                                                        |
|                                                                       |
| -   Not sure that during the Q & A session whether they clearly       |
|     understood what was being asked. Why can't federal agencies       |
|     charge to each others accounts without all the red tape. Not sure |
|     what would work.                                                  |
|                                                                       |
| -   Ask ourselves why are we loosing fire personnel and why do we     |
|     need to place bonus incentives on vacancies? If you ask our fire  |
|     personnel how to make things better will tell you to combine our  |
|     agencies into one national fire Organization. The politicians     |
|     need to fess up, get some balls and listen to the fire            |
|     specialist.                                                       |
|                                                                       |
| -   Need to emphasize the benefits of Rx Fire especially to WUI base  |
|     of Q&A asked need strong leadership stand for the right decision  |
|     Rx Funding activity.                                              |
|                                                                       |
| -   Appreciate and can use budget and political trends, principle     |
|     based doctrine, increasing centralization and fire service        |
|     concept.                                                          |
|                                                                       |
| -   A lot of acronyms include long names within the power point       |
|     slides when you first brought up i.e. Community Wildfire          |
|     Protection Plan (CWPP) or at least the major ones. Maybe not all  |
|     the organization ones.                                            |
|                                                                       |
| -   Hard to stay focused on speakers who are teleconferencing into    |
|     the training session. Both speakers                               |
|                                                                       |
| -   Were very knowledgeable and presented informative information.    |
|                                                                       |
| -   A cost effective way of presenting in lieu of everyone's          |
|     increasing responsibilities and lower budget.                     |
|                                                                       |
| -   Q&A was good; suggestion there needs to be a large block of time  |
|     after each section for this.                                      |
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| -   Valuable information shared. Believe we will be more efficient    |
|     through a centralized system; integrating regular management to   |
|     include fire through a centralized system.                        |
|                                                                       |
| -   No discussion of the reality of making any of the ideals happen   |
|     except to nationally centralize resources. What's the thinking    |
|     regarding the logistics of something like that?                   |
|                                                                       |
| -   Difficult to watch a power point and focus on live phone          |
|     conversation. Think about video taping the session.               |
|                                                                       |
| -   Appreciated candor in providing comments and answering questions. |
|                                                                       |
| -   It was good to have this level of interest and participation in   |
|     the class, good information was passed along.                     |
|                                                                       |
| -   Management vs. Suppression should have more emphasis in           |
|     presentation, policy, and sale to Congress.                       |
|                                                                       |
| -                                                                     |
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FIRE MANAGEMENT LEADERSHIP

**March 26-29, 2007**

**Tucson, Arizona**

# LESSON EVALUATION

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| Tuesday, March 27                                                     |
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| **Instructor:** Jay Perkins **Lesson:** Fire Planning                 |
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| **Comments:**                                                         |
|                                                                       |
| -   Important session; all handouts were not included in packet.      |
|                                                                       |
| -   Handled the information well as this could be a much longer       |
|     section. Piqued interest enough to go back to district and ask    |
|     questions.                                                        |
|                                                                       |
| -   Excellent presentation                                            |
|                                                                       |
| -   Clear use of examples from LMP to Fire Management plan.           |
|                                                                       |
| -   Too FS centric                                                    |
|                                                                       |
| -   Appreciated his list in the end of what to ask when we return     |
|     home/what to look for in FMP.                                     |
|                                                                       |
| -   Good overview about FMP's, LMP's and appropriate management       |
|     response. Need to know that the new planning rule makes LMP's a   |
|     non-decisional document, so in future need to address how the     |
|     effects the FMP (on the Forest Service side). It seems that the   |
|     FMP will need to be an EIS and will become the decision document. |
|                                                                       |
| -   Hard to capture everything in a presentation like this, but       |
|     picked the right info to include.                                 |
|                                                                       |
| -   Intro and clarification of objectives was very helpful, need      |
|     references.                                                       |
|                                                                       |
| -   Good information for managers to know where unit philosophy.      |
|                                                                       |
| -   Covered a large number of the current items in a broad sense.     |
|     People see the focus as to broad to design specific treatment     |
|     areas, AMR, WFU etc. Until we are told that X area will be        |
|     treated for X response, the focus across the board will be based  |
|     on area specific objectives and goals. I think this is bad, just  |
|     not a great way to reduce costs and put everyone on the same      |
|     page.                                                             |
|                                                                       |
| -   Good thought generating session                                   |
|                                                                       |
| -   Good speaker made the material easy to understand.                |
|                                                                       |
| -   Convinced to go to S580; lots of information and the paper trail  |
|     is overwhelming. Almost makes me like NEPA as my planning model   |
|     of choice. I guess I'll go collect my staff, add this to their    |
|     overflowing plate of work and practice knowing it is only a       |
|     matter of time until we do this under the duress of an incident.  |
|                                                                       |
| -   Marginally useful -- not aligned with the current expectations    |
|     for LMP revisions in Forest Service.                              |
|                                                                       |
| -                                                                     |
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FIRE MANAGEMENT LEADERSHIP

**March 26-29, 2007**

**Tucson, Arizona**

# LESSON EVALUATION

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| Tuesday, March 27                                                     |
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| **Instructor:** John Szymoniak **Lesson:** Decision Making            |
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| **Comments:**                                                         |
|                                                                       |
| -   Very good, nicely done. Tight to the point, appreciated the info, |
|     more relevant for managers with little experience                 |
|                                                                       |
| -   Effective credible presenter, good visuals. Gave me actionable    |
|     steps to take when I get home. Compelled to rejigger out WFSA     |
|     preparation and practice it.                                      |
|                                                                       |
| -   Appreciated sense of humor throughout program, it helped to keep  |
|     attention. Enlightening information. Headed the right way w/ high |
|     tech WF DSS.                                                      |
|                                                                       |
| -   Good tips on WFSA objectives; where to focus energy; where to     |
|     watch out.                                                        |
|                                                                       |
| -   The basic structure of the team that pre organizes the WFSA       |
|     process and working through the process early.                    |
|                                                                       |
| -   Great to get a copy of the power points used; great WFSA          |
|     refresher                                                         |
|                                                                       |
| -   Too much information too fast too short a time frame.             |
|                                                                       |
| -   Needed a little more SCI and some examples of what it spits out.  |
|     The list of last year's fires that were 1-2 standard deviations   |
|     away would have been good info.                                   |
|                                                                       |
| -   Needs hands on demonstration of the tools referenced.             |
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FFIRE MANAGEMENT LEADERSHIP

**March 26-29, 2007**

**Tucson, Arizona**

# LESSON EVALUATION

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| Tuesday, March 27                                                     |
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| **Instructor:** Bob Gilman **Lesson:** Appropriate Management         |
|                                                                       |
| Steve Frye Response Organizations                                     |
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| **Comments:**                                                         |
|                                                                       |
| -   Presentation was very confusing as the number of acronyms and     |
|     groups was somewhat overwhelming. Maybe a recommendation would be |
|     to consider separating this into 2 presentations                  |
|                                                                       |
| -   Tough time for a presentation, compounded by a diverse background |
|     of AA's experience. Way too basic, for any AA with fire           |
|     background. Relating experiences is very helpful for material.    |
|                                                                       |
| -   Good presentation for complex topic.                              |
|                                                                       |
| -   Presented well together; hand off a lot but was smoothly done and |
|     a lot of good information and explanation occurred.               |
|                                                                       |
| -   Food coma + monotone delivery + detailed slides + low lights =    |
|     very little retention.                                            |
|                                                                       |
| -   Appreciated definition of success and the model; awareness of the |
|     need for support and attention to TIII incidents and IC; refresh  |
|     preparedness for unified command; role of agency administrator in |
|     Type 5 - Type 1 incidents unified command and area command.       |
|                                                                       |
| -   As a person who is not an agency administrator, it would be nice  |
|     to see a way for the folks at the Agency Administrator Level to   |
|     let us know what they expect @ the ICT3 level. An early season    |
|     pre-planning frame work would help. The ICT 3 level is complex,   |
|     but it seems to me that sometimes agency administrators don't     |
|     quite see it that way because you haven't brought in a formal     |
|     team.                                                             |
|                                                                       |
| -   Suggest some tweaking of Appropriate Mgt Response for all teams   |
|     would be good.                                                    |
|                                                                       |
| -   Why not do a basic WFSA at the Type 3 level to provide objectives |
|     to the Type 3 IC?                                                 |
|                                                                       |
| -   Need to go thru presentation a lot faster. Although they relayed  |
|     good info they lost the audience by going to slow. Need to engage |
|     the audience more. Not sure the tag team approach was the best    |
|     way to go.                                                        |
|                                                                       |
| -   Way too long for the first presentation after lunch; no longer    |
|     than 1 hour.                                                      |
|                                                                       |
| -                                                                     |
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FIRE MANAGEMENT LEADERSHIP

**March 26-29, 2007**

**Tucson, Arizona**

# LESSON EVALUATION

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| Tuesday, March 27                                                     |
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| **Instructor:** Curt Braun **Lesson:** Public & Employee Safety       |
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| **Comments:**                                                         |
|                                                                       |
| -   Very interesting entertaining speakers; made some excellent       |
|     points, presentation was appropriate level for audience           |
|                                                                       |
| -   Excellent speaker a keeper for future classes, very thought       |
|     provoking.                                                        |
|                                                                       |
| -   Brought up some very important point with managing such w/in an   |
|     organization.                                                     |
|                                                                       |
| -   Put things in clear perspective                                   |
|                                                                       |
| -   Needed more time to make points                                   |
|                                                                       |
| -   Will take this back to ask tough questions to my fire and other   |
|     staff officers about safety                                       |
|                                                                       |
| -   I think that paying someone to let us know just how stupid the    |
|     public knows we are may be beneficial. Then again the public gets |
|     upset when we don't do things that make us look stupid, like      |
|     saving their homes that we don't care about? I think there are a  |
|     lot of good things that may come from analyzing our thought       |
|     process as it relates to our safety and what we consider a need   |
|     or objective. Humorous presentation and he is right about fire    |
|     shelters, get rid of them.                                        |
|                                                                       |
| -   Gave a new compelling twist to what has become a mote subject.    |
|     Entertaining and effective; had enough of the jargon to connect   |
|     w/ fire program.                                                  |
|                                                                       |
| -   Too much time spent on space program; needed to talk.             |
|                                                                       |
| -   Effective entertaining use of reverse psychology; not sure how    |
|     effective the style is but it's entertaining and thought          |
|     provoking. Made some very good points about safety points that I  |
|     can and will use in my home office.                               |
|                                                                       |
| -   I was surprised how well the shuttle example worked so well-it    |
|     was very interesting to compare such an unexpected situation w/   |
|     what we deal with.                                                |
|                                                                       |
| -   Good references; puts work into perspective and make you think.   |
|                                                                       |
| -                                                                     |
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FIRE MANAGEMENT LEADERSHIP

**March 26-29, 2007**

**Tucson, Arizona**

# LESSON EVALUATION

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| Wednesday, March 28                                                   |
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| **Instructor:** Steve Frye **Lesson:** Incident Commander/Agency      |
|                                                                       |
| Tom Wagner Administrator Roles and Responsibilities and Organizations |
| Associated with Complex Incidents                                     |
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| **Comments:**                                                         |
|                                                                       |
| -   Most useful presentation as it really identifies what the AA      |
|     roles and responsibilities are. This information will be          |
|     invaluable and I will refer to my notes frequently                |
|                                                                       |
| -   Mind wandered during presentation                                 |
|                                                                       |
| -   Information would be helpful for those with little to no          |
|     experience; to make it meaningful for them do a demonstration of  |
|     a high quality briefing and then invite questions                 |
|                                                                       |
| -   Level of detail was evident as was the years of experience they   |
|     drew from.                                                        |
|                                                                       |
| -   I think if folks have a predetermined organization that will have |
|     specific roles has a lot of stressful decisions can be displaced  |
|     among a large number of folks.                                    |
|                                                                       |
| -   Break up presentation an hour is about enough with the slides     |
|                                                                       |
| -   Helpful to reference the Red book appendix                        |
|                                                                       |
| -   As a new line officer this session offered relevance and          |
|     understanding to my role and responsibilities. Would be excellent |
|     for the rangers to attend                                         |
|                                                                       |
| -   Need for timely breaks to help break up the routine of lecture    |
|     style of presentation.                                            |
|                                                                       |
| -   The sample of delegation and briefings are good; more helpful to  |
|     have on CD of samples to take home.                               |
|                                                                       |
| -   Good complete handouts; important for a good take home packet.    |
|     Lots of information in presentation which may create confusion on |
|     such important subject.                                           |
|                                                                       |
| -   Complexity analysis was mentioned and it might be good idea to    |
|     show how this works                                               |
|                                                                       |
| -   Presenters need to repeat the questions as they are asked         |
|                                                                       |
| -   Provide some good examples of objectives. We heard about how the  |
|     "protect Saco watershed" was bad-what would make that a good      |
|     objective. Use all instructors to play out an AA briefing, seeing |
|     how it will go will stick in people's heads much more than a      |
|     bulleted power point.                                             |
|                                                                       |
| -   The outline in the handout is messed up regarding numbers and     |
|     letters. Hard to follow w/discussion power point, perhaps this    |
|     talk should be before AMR talk. Waiting for clarification on      |
|     roles. Good overview help clarify crossover.                      |
|                                                                       |
| -   This would be a good place to have video of an actual briefing or |
|     a staged one. It would bring some things together and as a new    |
|     generation of line officers take over the.                        |
|                                                                       |
| -   This would be a good place to have video of an actual briefing or |
|     a staged one. It would bring some things together and as a new    |
|     generation of line officers take over they will relate better to  |
|     interactive or video than just lecture and Q&A.                   |
|                                                                       |
| -   Good points made, which serve as reminders of AA/IC               |
|     responsibilities.                                                 |
|                                                                       |
| -                                                                     |
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FIRE MANAGEMENT LEADERSHIP

**March 26-29, 2007**

**Tucson, Arizona**

# LESSON EVALUATION

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| Wednesday, March 28                                                   |
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| **Instructor:** Nan Christianson **Lesson:** Reaching Out to Others   |
| for                                                                   |
|                                                                       |
| Kit Sutherland Help                                                   |
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| **Comments:**                                                         |
|                                                                       |
| -   Case study was great but not sure if this would work in my area.  |
|                                                                       |
| -   Excellent presentation; great success story.                      |
|                                                                       |
| -   Great examples on how to work with community and adjacent         |
|     landowners.                                                       |
|                                                                       |
| -   Incredible effort that should be duplicated through out the       |
|     country; only concern couldn't hear Nan spoke too softly.         |
|                                                                       |
| -   Not a negative thing mentioned it is obvious your folks are       |
|     content with achieving the objective of helping others to make    |
|     yourself happy; good stuff. It is pretty amazing how much your    |
|     folks did from starting w/ a devastating wildfire to having so    |
|     many successful ventures.                                         |
|                                                                       |
| -   Appreciate sharing this success story and how community           |
|     partnerships grow and develop and spread into other collaborative |
|     efforts. Obvious, Kit and Nan have united + desire for the        |
|     betterment of the community. Special people working outside       |
|     traditional lines for benefit of whole community. As Federal land |
|     managers, we need to do more.                                     |
|                                                                       |
| -   Good idea to reevaluate CWPP following incident. Liked the whole  |
|     idea of taking advantage of when people people's                  |
|     attention...rehab, forest health, fire safe building, fuels       |
|     treatments, getting grants. Interesting that after private        |
|     landowners decided they not only supported but pressured the FS   |
|     to do more fuels treatments\..."What we do on our land doesn't    |
|     matter if the FS doesn't treat." Helped create business to use    |
|     traditionally sub-merchantable forest material.                   |
|                                                                       |
| -   Very far reaching programs; have good reason to be proud of       |
|     successes.                                                        |
|                                                                       |
| -   Great dynamics/respect between the two-interesting community      |
|     efforts and response-terrific work. While dealing with huge fire, |
|     most of us will not have one of that scale in our careers; so     |
|     probably won't be able to apply this lesson.                      |
|                                                                       |
| -   It would have been interesting to know how they obtained funding  |
|     and how much they actually received. Of course I question how     |
|     many units have the capacity to take this approach?               |
|                                                                       |
| -   Very Forest Service centered presentation, gave no real added     |
|     value personally.                                                 |
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FIRE MANAGEMENT LEADERSHIP

**March 26- 29, 2007**

**Tucson, Arizona**

# LESSON EVALUATION

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| Wednesday, March 28                                                   |
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| **Instructor:** Conrad Smith **Lesson:** Public and Media Relations   |
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| **Comments:**                                                         |
|                                                                       |
| -   Would have liked some examples of effective sound bites (i.e.     |
|     what constitutes a good sound bite) and how to prepare when the   |
|     media arrives. Somewhat disappointing that there were no aids in  |
|     dealing with the media is in a crisis situation.                  |
|                                                                       |
| -   Audiovisual materials presented were excellent in carrying        |
|     speaker's main points-extensive research completed which provided |
|     underpinning for presentation-lent to credibility of speaker.     |
|                                                                       |
| -   Despite the technology flaws, the points were well made. Value    |
|     added information.                                                |
|                                                                       |
| -   Need to modernize information.                                    |
|                                                                       |
| -   Lots of good film clips.                                          |
|                                                                       |
| -   Presentation a little disjointed. Could not hear him some         |
|     times-not sure if it was due to his head movements or speed.      |
|                                                                       |
| -   Bumbling and poorly organized; not much information transferred.  |
|     Exxon case study was okay but not outlined very well.             |
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FIRE MANAGEMENT LEADERSHIP

**March 26-29, 2007**

**Tucson, Arizona**

# LESSON EVALUATION

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| Wednesday, March 28                                                   |
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| **Instructor:** Rich Schwab **Lesson:** Post Fire Evaluation          |
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| **Comments:**                                                         |
|                                                                       |
| -   Long presentation-geared toward technical, specific information   |
|     more appropriate to the BAER team than the AA.                    |
|                                                                       |
| -   Some information was too detailed and too basic for this class.   |
|     Need to mention it's up to the AA team if they chose to order a   |
|     BAER team.                                                        |
|                                                                       |
| -   Good material, dry presentation.                                  |
|                                                                       |
| -   Appreciate website references.                                    |
|                                                                       |
| -   Good explanation of the 4 program components chart made this very |
|     clear.                                                            |
|                                                                       |
| -   Appreciated program component matrix, BAER ICQS/NWCG quals,       |
|     information regarding funding, GPRA, and responsibilities,        |
|     timeframes, term "watershed response"-hydrologists, treatment     |
|     map, and must meet NEPA.                                          |
|                                                                       |
| -   Presentation needs to be spiced up a bit.                         |
|                                                                       |
| -   Lots of redundant material.                                       |
|                                                                       |
| -   Too much in the weeds; too many details; for example slide 10     |
|     redundant slides 13-17, 30, 33-38 and 51 were unnecessary. At     |
|     this level we know this or can get it from the red book. Talked   |
|     too slowly to cover 60 slides in 65 minutes; could have covered   |
|     25 slides within timeframe effectively.\                          |
|     Too many slides before an example was given; criticism of course  |
|     was like watching paint dry.                                      |
|                                                                       |
| -   Did not really get to our issues as agency administrators; being  |
|     able to support the BAER team on forest or not, what to do with   |
|     them; Rehab really does fall under the jurisdiction of the line   |
|     (in FS) as they have to sign off on total cost and have           |
|     supervision over the Resource Advisor who writes the rehab        |
|     report.                                                           |
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FIRE MANAGEMENT LEADERSHIP

**March 26-29, 2007**

**Tucson, Arizona**

# LESSON EVALUATION

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| Wednesday, March 28                                                   |
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| **Instructor:** George Weldon **Lesson:** Prescribed and Wildland     |
|                                                                       |
| Fire Use                                                              |
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| **Comments:**                                                         |
|                                                                       |
| -   Pretty dry                                                        |
|                                                                       |
| -   FPA discussions did not help much. Could have spent more time on  |
|     cost containment and given some examples as to how national       |
|     oversight is going to work. Would have liked to see some examples |
|     as to how SCI is going to work.                                   |
|                                                                       |
| -   The stuff about WFIP stages and elements was too detailed or too  |
|     complex-lost me; lost interest. Just tell us what to look for;    |
|     what are the red flags? I think if you put these into stages in   |
|     the context of a fire-it would help immensely.                    |
|                                                                       |
| -   Could not relate to the prescribed burn portion of this-since     |
|     there did not seem to be much emphasis.                           |
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FIRE MANAGEMENT LEADERSHIP

**March 26-29, 2007**

**Tucson, Arizona**

# LESSON EVALUATION

##### 

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| Thursday, March 29                                                    |
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| **Instructor:** Bill Breedlove **Lesson:** Cost Containment,          |
|                                                                       |
| FPA updates & IBA                                                     |
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| **Comments:**                                                         |
|                                                                       |
| -   How is it reasonable to model probability of occurrence of an     |
|     event (fire) that is inherently unpredictable? (Faulty logic)     |
|     Most factors out of human control; minimize effects possibly but  |
|     not reduce probability; setting yourself up for failure. Cost     |
|     containment needs DOI perspective too. For sure DOI perspective   |
|     requires another speaker; without it you've just alienated 45% of |
|     the class.                                                        |
|                                                                       |
| -   I really struggled with this presentation. Felt that the          |
|     introduction to the subject matter was much too brief and seemed  |
|     to assume that most were familiar with subject matter; don't      |
|     think that was the case. Presentation appeared vague; took such   |
|     an overview look that no detail was presented at all that would   |
|     help clarify the subject.                                         |
|                                                                       |
| -   As someone new to AA, this session was beyond me.                 |
|                                                                       |
| -   Too broad, to be of added value.                                  |
|                                                                       |
| -   Pretty dry; hard to focus-slides, bullets then read the bullets.  |
|     Centralization of resources, FPU, consolidated severity request   |
|     the implementation side of suppression is already unified across  |
|     agencies; isn't it time to revisit the discussion of centralized  |
|     fire organization? Is it simply agency positioning for funding?   |
|                                                                       |
| -   Good presentation, but gave my prejudices increased fuel that we  |
|     could save lots of money by doing inquiry approach to figuring    |
|     out why we are not doing what we know we should be doing.         |
|                                                                       |
| -   Session could have been eliminated.                               |
|                                                                       |
| -   Although it may be necessary to learn the background behind cost  |
|     containment, what line officers could really use is some training |
|     and discussion on the decision making process and considerations  |
|     we need to make when we are deciding on the suppression tactics.  |
|     The decisions made that are what will have the most impact on     |
|     costs-line officers need more info, training, direction on the    |
|     parameters by which we can "contain costs"                        |
|                                                                       |
| -   Need more overview how this ties into the overall fire program.   |
|     Seems like there are too many of these oversight groups and       |
|     special programs in fire. Need for National Fire Program 101,     |
|     presentation.                                                     |
|                                                                       |
| -   I'm sure there is a role for me as an agency administrator in the |
|     FPA process, but from this presentation, not sure about what that |
|     role is, nor that my involvement can have much of an impact.      |
|                                                                       |
| -   Helpful to state exactly what this is, why it came about and what |
|     the benefits were? I was one of the over 50% who was not familiar |
|     with this. Content not helpful as presented.                      |
|                                                                       |
| -   Did not really answer questions; model flawed, and I hope the     |
|     2^nd^ rendition of it is more accurate. Very efficient            |
|     presentation, not overly detailed.                                |
|                                                                       |
| -                                                                     |
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FIRE MANAGEMENT LEADERSHIP

**March 26-29, 2007**

**Tucson, Arizona**

# LESSON EVALUATION

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| Thursday, March 29                                                    |
+-----------------------------------------------------------------------+
| **Instructor:** Nancy Gibson **Lesson:** Incident Business            |
| Administration                                                        |
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| **Comments:**                                                         |
|                                                                       |
| -   As someone new to AA, not sure that this session needs to be this |
|     long. Could be shortened up to allow folks, to cut cost i.e.      |
|     travel and per diem. Who are the key people on a team that the AA |
|     needs to communicate and why. Keep it to the high ground. Don't   |
|     just tell us to find a form or example provide the item.          |
|                                                                       |
| -   Good information about the IBA positive and where they fit in.    |
|     Would have been good to hear more honor stories experienced while |
|     serving as an IBA. Some watch-outs when having an incident on the |
|     unit.                                                             |
|                                                                       |
| -   Heartfelt presentation, which was much appreciated; also the      |
|     realization that AA is more than just safety.                     |
|                                                                       |
| -   Nancy did an excellent job with summarization of IBA              |
|     responsibilities and reasons for deploying one for an hour time   |
|     frame.                                                            |
|                                                                       |
| -   Wealth of information brought forth in a organized time sensitive |
|     manner. Would not want her job but would gladly welcome her to my |
|     unit.                                                             |
|                                                                       |
| -   Information tied right back to red book; well prepared, good life |
|     examples and overall excellent job                                |
|                                                                       |
| -   Great information on how fire plans fit within LVP process. This  |
|     will really help me on my local unit.                             |
|                                                                       |
| -   Too much "poor Nancy" I have all this work go do. Who doesn't?    |
|                                                                       |
| -   Very familiar with IBA and she gave sufficient details coupled    |
|     with examples. Learned a lot from her and enjoyed presentation.   |
|                                                                       |
| -   Clearly defined role of the IBA vs. role of the AA.               |
|                                                                       |
| -   Appreciated the comments about the need to step back and see the  |
|     large human picture of what is going on.                          |
|                                                                       |
| -   Gave some tangible nuggets to take back to the home unit.         |
|                                                                       |
| -   At the onset I did not have clear understanding of what and IBA   |
|     does and can do for me, but I do know.                            |
|                                                                       |
| -                                                                     |
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FIRE MANAGEMENT LEADERSHIP

March 26-29, 2007

**Tucson, Arizona**

# LESSON EVALUATION

+-----------------------------------------------------------------------+
| Thursday, March 29                                                    |
+-----------------------------------------------------------------------+
| **Instructor:** Mike Johns **Lesson:** Fire Law                       |
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| **Comments:**                                                         |
|                                                                       |
| -   Good presentation                                                 |
|                                                                       |
| -   Very informative                                                  |
|                                                                       |
| -   Material a bit loose and concepts somewhat run together. Lessons  |
|     learned guy seemed to be filler and FYI handouts would have       |
|     satisfied.                                                        |
|                                                                       |
| -   Great presentation with lots of information much of which I did   |
|     not grasp. This is one area that is extremely hard for me to get  |
|     a hold of; I may be unique in that aspect but I'd bet most line   |
|     officers don't have a good grasp of this subject. We learn        |
|     through repetition so I suggest it be determined how to repeat    |
|     this lesson.                                                      |
|                                                                       |
| -   Perhaps you could use a prescribed burs example in the future.    |
|                                                                       |
| -   Too many concepts went over my head.                              |
|                                                                       |
| -   Good to have sessions like this although I wasn't always tracking |
|     due to my own lack of knowledge of legal terminology principles   |
|     and the speed that he went thru the material, but I will read     |
|     through this material to better understand his legal definitions  |
|     in there. Case law to illustrate is great help.                   |
|                                                                       |
| -   Great presentation i.e. psychology and decision making, case law  |
|     and definitionary evolution; appreciate "what was he thinking"    |
|     handout. This was one of the most interesting sessions of this    |
|     course. I appreciated having the "context" overview of fire law.  |
|                                                                       |
| -   Very relevant for fire line managers; addressed many of line      |
|     managers concerns regarding liability.                            |
|                                                                       |
| -   This topic should receive consideration for just a little more    |
|     time.                                                             |
|                                                                       |
| -                                                                     |
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FIRE MANAGEMENT LEADERSHIP

**March 26-29, 2007**

**Tucson, Arizona**

# LESSON EVALUATION

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| Thursday, March 29                                                    |
+-----------------------------------------------------------------------+
| **Instructor:** Tom Wagner/ **Lesson:** All Hazard                    |
|                                                                       |
| Steve Frye                                                            |
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| **Comments:**                                                         |
|                                                                       |
| -   Very interesting, could have made a few extra considerations when |
|     some of NJ staff went t the gulf and returned. Steve is one of    |
|     the best instructors I have had.                                  |
|                                                                       |
| -   Tough timeframe after lunch, good meaningful session and          |
|     discussion                                                        |
|                                                                       |
| -   Some of the insights about FEMA/team relationships and            |
|     responsibilities were very helpful. Also helpful to understand    |
|     the National requirements to participate in all risk response     |
|     while balancing that with what our people's capabilities can/will |
|     support.                                                          |
|                                                                       |
| -   Thanks for presenting rather than dropping the topic. It seems    |
|     that the NHP is an attempt to fix FEMA without having to make     |
|     changes; I hope we do hold firm to the idea that FEMA must        |
|     embrace IC structure before these efforts can expect to be        |
|     effective, efficient and provide for workers safety.              |
|                                                                       |
| -   Good presentation that dealt with recent deployments from a good  |
|     standpoint as it was obviously still on the minds of those who    |
|     went out.                                                         |
|                                                                       |
| -   Over all good; too many war stories.                              |
|                                                                       |
| -   One of the better sessions; could be expanded.                    |
|                                                                       |
| -   Thanks for stepping up to the plate; appreciated life application |
|     stories.                                                          |
|                                                                       |
| -   Good coverage of hastily put together topic. Your use of "war     |
|     stories" enhanced the topic since the incidents were so far       |
|     outside the norm.                                                 |
|                                                                       |
| -   Gave some practical and realistic things to think about and       |
|     incorporate into any decision making process.                     |
|                                                                       |
| -                                                                     |
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FIRE MANAGEMENT LEADERSHIP

**March 26-29, 2007**

**Tucson, Arizona**

# LESSON EVALUATION

+-----------------------------------------------------------------------+
| Thursday, March 29                                                    |
+-----------------------------------------------------------------------+
| **Instructor:** Kim Soper (Pat Buccello) **Lesson:** Critical         |
| Incident Stress                                                       |
|                                                                       |
| Management                                                            |
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| **Comments:**                                                         |
|                                                                       |
| -   Commend the instructor for doing this on short notice and for     |
|     presenting a very tough topic in a very real meaningful way that  |
|     brought it all home.                                              |
|                                                                       |
| -   Provides some new and difficult ways to look at safety and how    |
|     people react.                                                     |
|                                                                       |
| -   Very sobering account                                             |
|                                                                       |
| -   Good analogies                                                    |
|                                                                       |
| -   Hard discussion as it effects most everyone in one way or another |
|     throughout their careers.                                         |
|                                                                       |
| -   Useful information.                                               |
|                                                                       |
| -   Very serious and critical issue that needs to be included each    |
|     time and even expanded.                                           |
|                                                                       |
| -   Okay information; speaker came across a little to close to his    |
|     example to be able to effectively use it in an obsolete manner.   |
|     Some may see this as a plus.                                      |
|                                                                       |
| -   Very heartfelt presentation; probably be a good handout to have   |
|     the Agency Admin Guide to Critical Incident Management.           |
|                                                                       |
| -   Good balance of emotional real life example and the               |
|     administrative "have to".                                         |
|                                                                       |
| -   Close to home stories.                                            |
|                                                                       |
| -   Made the impression-that's all he needed to do-effective.         |
|                                                                       |
| -                                                                     |
|                                                                       |
| -                                                                     |
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FIRE MANAGEMENT LEADERSHIP

**March 26-29, 2007**

**Tucson, Arizona**

# LESSON EVALUATION

+-----------------------------------------------------------------------+
| Thursday, March 29                                                    |
+-----------------------------------------------------------------------+
| **Instructor:** Panel Members **Lesson:** Panel Discussions:          |
|                                                                       |
| CS -- From Simple to Complex                                          |
+-----------------------------------------------------------------------+
| **Comments:**                                                         |
|                                                                       |
| -   Good examples of case histories and many good take home bullets.  |
|                                                                       |
| -   BIA speaker only spoke facing the screen-remember there's an      |
|     audience out here. The delivery message seemed more about the     |
|     impacts than what I could "take away" from it. NV speaker better  |
|     recap of lessons learned 5 Bugles? Some local things not          |
|     understood by all.                                                |
|                                                                       |
| -   Mick -- some good insight; reasonable level background info       |
|     interesting insight working with Tribes. James -- a bit too much  |
|     background would have been helpful if BIA's role relative to      |
|     reservations was explained. This was a interesting presentation   |
|     but difficult to understand the context and responsibilities of   |
|     an AA in this organization, sounds a little broader than your     |
|     typical federal land managers. 3^rd^ person useful info; wrap up  |
|     well done and concise.                                            |
|                                                                       |
| -   Try to intermix w/other sessions instead of separating.           |
|                                                                       |
| -   BIA Sup -- good information, lots of pearls of wisdom             |
|                                                                       |
| -   Good examples of real life fires and lessons learned. Some        |
|     speakers ran a little long. However, there was a lot of value     |
|     from others experiences. Would have liked this session earlier in |
|     the week.                                                         |
|                                                                       |
| -   Need more of this; these examples help AA to learn need think     |
|     from case study; opportunity to learn from.                       |
|                                                                       |
| -   Suggest a need to restructure format.                             |
|                                                                       |
| -   Need more time, case studies and lessons learned.                 |
|                                                                       |
| -   Good overview of the types of issues that AA's may deal with.     |
|     Good portion of the class to have the war stories (actual photos) |
|     of actual incidents.                                              |
|                                                                       |
| -   Suggest you start training with this panel discussion and         |
|     critical Incident management session. The training can build off  |
|     these examples or use them to talk about completing paperwork,    |
|     etc.                                                              |
|                                                                       |
| -   Effective as each was from a different agency.                    |
|                                                                       |
| -   Went too long                                                     |
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