**Weather Applications Team**

**Telcon Notes**

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  **Meeting Name:**         **Weather Applications Team Telcon**

  **Date:**                 **July 15, 2004 @ 10:00 EDST**

  **Location:**             **Telcon**
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**Participants:**

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| # | #### *La | *First | nization*** | *Phone*** |                  |
| # | st Name* | N      |             |           |                  |
| # |          | ame*** |             |           |                  |
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+===+==========+========+=============+===========+==================+
| 1 | Brown    | B      | NCAR/RAP    | 303       | <Bgb@ucar.edu>   |
| . |          | arbara |             | -497-8468 |                  |
|   |          |        |             |           |                  |
|   |          |        |             |           |                  |
+---+----------+--------+-------------+-----------+------------------+
| 2 | Evans    | Jim    | MIT/LL      | 781       | <                |
| . |          |        |             | -981-7433 | Jime@ll.mit.edu> |
|   |          |        |             |           |                  |
|   |          |        |             |           |                  |
+---+----------+--------+-------------+-----------+------------------+
| 3 | Chretien | Daniel | NavCanada   | 613       | D.C              |
| . |          |        |             | .563.5607 | HRETIEN@ec.gc.ca |
|   |          |        |             |           |                  |
|   |          |        |             |           |                  |
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| 4 | Fahey    | Tom    | NWA         | 612       | [Tom.fahe        |
| . |          |        |             | .726.3256 | y@nwa.com](../To |
|   |          |        |             |           | m.fahey@nwa.com) |
|   |          |        |             |           |                  |
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| 5 | Hayoz    | Fred   | NGC/TAC2    | 202       | <Frederic.h      |
| . |          |        |             | .314.1476 | ayoz@auatac.com> |
|   |          |        |             |           |                  |
|   |          |        |             |           |                  |
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| 6 | H        | Mark   | Mitre /     | 703       | <mw              |
| . | uberdeau |        | CAASD       | .833.5906 | huber@mitre.org> |
|   |          |        |             |           |                  |
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| 7 | Johnson  | Fred   | NWS/AWC     | 816       | [                |
| . |          |        |             | -584-7204 | Fred.johnson@noa |
|   |          |        |             |           | a.gov](../Fred.j |
|   |          |        |             |           | ohnson@noaa.gov) |
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| 8 | L        | Joanne | NAVCanada   | 613       | <lanca           |
| . | ancaster |        |             | .563.5607 | jo@navcanada.ca> |
|   |          |        |             |           |                  |
|   |          |        |             |           |                  |
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| 9 | Helms    | Tom    | Avmet       | 703       | helms@avmet.com  |
| . |          |        |             | .351.5649 |                  |
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| 1 | Mahoney  | Je     | AOPA/FSL    | 303       | <Mahon           |
| 0 |          | nnifer |             | -497-6514 | ey@fsl.noaa.gov> |
| . |          |        |             |           |                  |
|   |          |        |             |           |                  |
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| 1 | Meyer    | Darin  | MIT Lincoln | 407       | <da              |
| 1 |          |        | Lab         | .855.3593 | rinm@ll.mit.edu> |
| . |          |        |             |           |                  |
|   |          |        |             |           |                  |
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| 1 | Mullen   | Ken    | NGC/TAC2    | 202       | <ken.mu          |
| 2 |          |        |             | .314.1412 | llen@auatac.com> |
| . |          |        |             |           |                  |
|   |          |        |             |           |                  |
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| 1 | Munchak  | S      | CNAC        | 703       | <M               |
| 3 |          | tephen |             | -326-3806 | unchaks@can.org> |
| . |          |        |             |           |                  |
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| 1 | R        | Dave   | ATT-260     | 703       | <david.ro        |
| 4 | odenhuis |        |             | .925.3120 | denhuis@faa.gov> |
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| 1 | Rovito   | Dino   | ARS-100     | 202       | [Dino.rovito@    |
| 5 |          |        |             | -385-7718 | faa.gov](../Dino |
| . |          |        |             |           | .rovito@faa.gov) |
|   |          |        |             |           |                  |
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| 1 | Sims     | Danny  | ATO-R       | 202       | [danny.sims      |
| 6 |          |        |             | -385-8932 | @faa.gov](../dan |
| . |          |        |             |           | ny.sims@faa.gov) |
|   |          |        |             |           |                  |
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| 1 | Torbert  | Duane  | FAA/ATCSCC  | 703       | [                |
| 7 |          |        |             | .326.3940 | Duane.torbert@fa |
| . |          |        |             |           | a.gov](../Duane. |
|   |          |        |             |           | torbert@faa.gov) |
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| 1 | Wilson   | Ian    | ERAU ATM    | 386       | [Ian.wilson@e    |
| 8 |          |        | LAB         | .226.7565 | rau.edu](../Ian. |
| . |          |        |             |           | wilson@erau.edu) |
|   |          |        |             |           |                  |
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| 1 | Wise     | R      | ATCSCC WX   | 703       | rich             |
| 9 |          | ichard |             | .904.4455 | ard.wise@faa.gov |
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| 2 | Wood     | Bryan  | ATA-40      | 703       | <Bryan.c         |
| 0 |          |        |             | -326-3785 | tr.wood@faa.gov> |
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**Telcon Purpose:**

To follow-up on the Weather Applications Workgroup's (WAWG) May meeting,
make preparations for the August meeting, and to discuss current issues
and future workgroup plans.

**Planned Telcon Agenda:**

1.  Action Items from the Ottawa Meeting

2.  Update on issues

    1.  Current CCFP (2004)

    2.  CCFP (2005)

    3.  OEP planning (info only)

    4.  CWSU Restructuring (info only)

    5.  Flight Level Turbulence (heads up)

    6.  Preparation for the DC Meeting, 17-18 August (2 days)

Telcon Notes:

**1. Action Items from the Ottawa Meeting:**

The team reviewed and updated open WAWG action items from the Ottawa
Workshop. The status of each action was updated and the master Action
Item list is included as an attachment to these telcon notes. The action
from the limited June 25^th^ telcon was added to the action item list
and statused. Action Items #4, 5, 6, 11, 12, 17 and 20 from the Ottawa
meeting were closed.

**Action (new):** Joanne and Ken, Explode the Canadian Meteorological
Aviation Centre (CMAC) Newsletter to the WAWG. (Completed 7/15/2004)

2.0 Update on Issues:

2.1 Current CCFP (2004):

Re-Analysis:

2 days in May (10th & 20th) have been selected for re-analysis. Dave
recommended that July 14^th^ be included as another day for the detailed
analysis. Dave will provide data for Verification. Goals of the
re-analysis are to determine how good was the forecaster and the
response to the forecast. June 17^th^ was also recommended as another
day that should be included in the analysis. CWSUs will also participate
in the analysis.

Daily Feedback:

Good responses from the feedback reports. A web page will be set up to
reduce email volume.

CWIS:

CWIS was expanded to Minneapolis Center and will be going into Kansas
City Center. Feedback is that the field likes CWIS not CCFP. This
feedback highlights a training issue, that the users don't understand
the intent of the CCFP!

Training:

The Airlines are not enthusiastic about a change in CCFP format. Funding
to train the new format is their main concern. The change to intuitive
(and eventually to probabilistic) CCFP formats must be properly
funded/trained for changes to be supported by the users. The WAWG notes
that the switchover to probabilistic formats is not planned for 2005.

2.2 CCFP (2005):

Intuitive graphics are the focus for 2005. Probabilistic format is
probably a number of years out (2006 would be very optimistic). Current
assumption is that we will brief the status at the next (Fall) CDM
meeting. However, this could be impacted by ongoing CDM re-organization
discussions. Dave and Tom will keep the WAWG informed of any changes as
reorganization information becomes available.

Discussed delaying CCFP implementation in 2005 until ETMS is deployed in
late March or April versus having to cutover to a different format early
in the season. The training department is OK with this. No feedback yet
from the users. However, the Centers questioned about this had no
problem utilizing the CCFP via the internet until the new format is
deployed with the Spring ETMS release.

Motion:

The WAWG proposes not deploying the old version of CCFP on ETMS at the
start of the 2005 severe weather season and having
Centers/ATCSCC/Airlines use the internet as a workaround to utilize CCFP
intuitive graphics until the Spring ETMS version with intuitive CCFP is
deployed. The WAWG wants to confirm this is a workable solution with the
Centers, and if they agree, the WAWG will recommend this solution be
adopted.

The Group agrees with the above motion.

**Action:** Tom will inform the Air Traffic Counsel about the WAWG
proposal to use the internet as a work around until CCFP intuitive
graphic are deployed with ETMS in the Spring of 2005.

**Action:** NavCanada is willing to proceed with this motion at this
time, but will provide an update if they cannot support this approach.

Duane will be the POC for coordination with Government users.

Question: Will CCFP be on WARP? Answer: Yes

**2.3 OEP Planning:**

This is a WAWG Parking Lot issue. The OEP is alive and well (¼ of the
OEP deals with EnRoute Weather). Dave is working with others on the
update that includes lots of changes.

3 main areas for weather:

-   Convection

    -   Extended range

    -   Short range

-   Turbulence

-   CWSU Restructuring

Jim noted that there was no mention of ceiling and visibility forecasts
to support GDPs.

**2.4 CWSU Restructuring:**

Lots of discussion, no final decision.

**2.5 Flight Level Turbulence:**

A white paper is being developed. Turbulence is included in the OEP.
Canada is participating.

**3.0 Preparation for the DC Meeting:**

The next WAWG meeting will take place at the MIT/Lincoln Lab Offices in
Washington, DC on 17 and 18 August. Darin recommended that everyone make
reservations ASAP because of Hotel availability.

The agenda is being developed. Open actions will be used to support
agenda development. Send any intentions to submit a paper to Dave/Tom to
get on the agenda.

Jennifer will present Verification results.

Suggestions for topics:

-   Include Canadian verification as a topic. Daniel will look into
    this.

-   CCFP Intuitive Graphics ETMS display/cutover.

-   CCFP Intuitive Graphics training

-   CCFP User Needs Document

-   Analysis of Tactical versus Strategic and feedback on Re-analysis
    (May 10, 20, June 17, & July 14)

-   Operational decisions, such as transcon options (Mark Libby)

NTML data was collected to support re-analysis.

**Actions in support of re-analysis:**

-   Dave will collect and distribute logs and other relevant data for
    re-analysis days.

-   Darin will send Brian/Dave/Mark info on how to access CWIS data for
    re-analysis.

-   Fred will provide AWC CCFP history in support of the re-analysis.

-   ERAU will provide traffic data in support of the re-analysis.

Reminder: WAWG is not just for CCFP, but needs to look at short-range
forecasts and integration of short-range and long-range weather
products. Jim suggested adding a discussion on how to integrate them at
the next meeting.

The WAWG needs to be briefed on the Growth without Gridlock initiative
and such ideas as "bingo points".

**Action:**

WAWG Leads, find someone to brief the WAWG on Growth without Gridlock.

**End**