+-----------------+----------------+-------------------------+--------+
| Attendees       |   ---          |                         |        |
|                 | ---------- --- |                         |        |
|                 | -------------- |                         |        |
|                 |   *            |                         |        |
|                 | *Name**      * |                         |        |
|                 | *Institution** |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |   Avi          |                         |        |
|                 | nash       NCI |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 | Shanbhag       |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |   Bren         |                         |        |
|                 | da Maeske SAIC |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |   Bri          |                         |        |
|                 | an         Emm |                         |        |
|                 | es Corporation |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 | Campbell       |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |   Br           |                         |        |
|                 | ian Davis   3^ |                         |        |
|                 | rd^ Millennium |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |   Brooke       |                         |        |
|                 |     Booz Allen |                         |        |
|                 |   Hatcher      |                         |        |
|                 |       Hamilton |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |   Caroline Son |                         |        |
|                 | g City of Hope |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |   Christ       |                         |        |
|                 | ophe    Oracle |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 | Ludet          |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |   Christopher  |                         |        |
|                 |    Mayo Clinic |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 | Chute          |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |   Cindy Stahl  |                         |        |
|                 |   City of Hope |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |   David        |                         |        |
|                 | Aronow  Ardais |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |    Corporation |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |   Dia          |                         |        |
|                 | nne Reeves NCI |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |   Georg        |                         |        |
|                 | e        NCICB |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 | Komatsoulis    |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |   Harold       |                         |        |
|                 |    Mayo Clinic |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 | Solbrig        |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |   Hemant Shah  |                         |        |
|                 |   City of Hope |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |   James Buntr  |                         |        |
|                 | ok Mayo Clinic |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |   Jim Kadin    |                         |        |
|                 |    The Jackson |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |     Laboratory |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |   Joe Hanaue   |                         |        |
|                 | r   Booz Allen |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |       Hamilton |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |   Joyce Niland |                         |        |
|                 |   City of Hope |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |   Kath         |                         |        |
|                 | leen      SAIC |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 | Gundry         |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |   Kim Hyeon    |                         |        |
|                 |   City of Hope |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |   Lar          |                         |        |
|                 | ry Wright  NCI |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |   L            |                         |        |
|                 | ee Davis     F |                         |        |
|                 | red Hutchinson |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |  Leo Cheung    |                         |        |
|                 |  University of |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |         Hawaii |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |   Lewis Frey   |                         |        |
|                 |     Vanderbilt |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |     University |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |  Lynne Wilkins |                         |        |
|                 |  University of |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |         Hawaii |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |   Mar          |                         |        |
|                 | garet      NCI |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 | Haber          |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |   Mary         |                         |        |
|                 |  Cooper   SAIC |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |   Mike Kelle   |                         |        |
|                 | r   Booz Allen |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |       Hamilton |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |   Naf          |                         |        |
|                 | is         NCI |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 | Zebarjadi      |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |   Pet          |                         |        |
|                 | er Covitz  NCI |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |   Qing         |                         |        |
|                 |  Xiao     NASA |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |   Q            |                         |        |
|                 | uan Chen     A |                         |        |
|                 | lbert Einstein |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |     College of |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |       Medicine |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |   Rakesh       |                         |        |
|                 |     Washington |                         |        |
|                 |   Nag          |                         |        |
|                 | arajan     Uni |                         |        |
|                 | versity at St. |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |          Louis |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |   Reechik      |                         |        |
|                 |     Booz Allen |                         |        |
|                 |   Chatterj     |                         |        |
|                 | ee    Hamilton |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |   Robert       |                         |        |
|                 |     Washington |                         |        |
|                 |   Fre          |                         |        |
|                 | imuth      Uni |                         |        |
|                 | versity at St. |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |          Louis |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |   S            |                         |        |
|                 | al Mungal    D |                         |        |
|                 | uke University |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |   She          |                         |        |
|                 | rri de     NCI |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 | Coronado       |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |   Smita H      |                         |        |
|                 | astek  Scenpro |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |   Susan Pannon |                         |        |
|                 | i City of Hope |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |   Terry        |                         |        |
|                 |    The Jackson |                         |        |
|                 |   Hayamizu     |                         |        |
|                 |     Laboratory |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |   Tomm         |                         |        |
|                 | ie Curtis SAIC |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |   Zahid Rath   |                         |        |
|                 | ore Booz Allen |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |       Hamilton |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |   X            |                         |        |
|                 | in Zheng     A |                         |        |
|                 | lbert Einstein |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |     College of |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |       Medicine |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |  Craig Street  |                         |        |
|                 |  University of |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |   Pennsylvania |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |  Vishal Nayak  |                         |        |
|                 |  University of |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |   Pennsylvania |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |   Meg Gronve   |                         |        |
|                 | ll  Booz Allen |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |       Hamilton |                         |        |
|                 |   ---          |                         |        |
|                 | ---------- --- |                         |        |
|                 | -------------- |                         |        |
+-----------------+----------------+-------------------------+--------+
| Action Items:   | Names          | Action Items            | Due    |
|                 |                |                         | Dates  |
+-----------------+----------------+-------------------------+--------+
|                 | Jim Kadin      | Incorporate BP          | 12/6   |
|                 |                | survey/feed back to SIG |        |
+-----------------+----------------+-------------------------+--------+
|                 | Brian Davis    | MVR group to finalize   | 12/1   |
|                 |                | MVR white paper         |        |
+-----------------+----------------+-------------------------+--------+
|                 | Brian Davis    | HL7 group to re-convene | 12/1   |
|                 |                | with Smita to           |        |
|                 |                | discuss/review HL7      |        |
|                 |                | datatype work           |        |
+-----------------+----------------+-------------------------+--------+
|                 | George         | caAERS and BRIDG teams  | 12/1   |
|                 | Komatsoulis    | will be working with    |        |
|                 |                | EVS                     |        |
+-----------------+----------------+-------------------------+--------+
|                 | Quan Chen      | RProteomics Review      | 11/29  |
|                 |                | Group will meet with    |        |
|                 |                | RProteomics team to     |        |
|                 |                | clarify a number of     |        |
|                 |                | issues/questions        |        |
+-----------------+----------------+-------------------------+--------+
|                 | Mike Keller    | PIR Review Group needs  | 11/29  |
|                 |                | to be assembled         |        |
+-----------------+----------------+-------------------------+--------+
|                 | Lynne Wilkens  | Age Review Group will   | 12/1   |
|                 |                | meet with caDSR Context |        |
|                 |                | Administrators to       |        |
|                 |                | discuss modification to |        |
|                 |                | standard                |        |
+-----------------+----------------+-------------------------+--------+
|                 | Brian Davis    | Gene Identifier Review  | 12/1   |
|                 |                | Group will: Look into   |        |
|                 |                | caBIG models for        |        |
|                 |                | gene/mRNA and Protein   |        |
|                 |                | IDs, Look outside of    |        |
|                 |                | caBIG for models of     |        |
|                 |                | gene/mRNA and Protein   |        |
+-----------------+----------------+-------------------------+--------+
|                 | Brian          | Architecture and VCDE   | 12/15  |
|                 | Davis/Mike     | WS work together on     |        |
|                 | Keller         | implementing analytical |        |
|                 |                | services metadata       |        |
+-----------------+----------------+-------------------------+--------+
|                 | Brian Davis    | Get Architecture Mentor | 12/1   |
|                 |                | (caGrid representative) |        |
|                 |                | involved with the       |        |
|                 |                | MAGE-ML standard        |        |
|                 |                | development             |        |
+-----------------+----------------+-------------------------+--------+
|                 | Brian          | ormalize LexBIG/c       | 12/15  |
|                 | Davis/Mike     | Formalize LexBIG/caGrid |        |
|                 |                | team interaction        |        |
|                 | Keller         |                         |        |
+-----------------+----------------+-------------------------+--------+
| Meeting Record: | -   **Opening  |                         |        |
|                 |     Remarks**  |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |     -   George |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |    Komatsoulis |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        thanked |                         |        |
|                 |         the    |                         |        |
|                 |         City   |                         |        |
|                 |         of     |                         |        |
|                 |         Hope   |                         |        |
|                 |         for    |                         |        |
|                 |         being  |                         |        |
|                 |         our    |                         |        |
|                 |         host   |                         |        |
|                 |         for    |                         |        |
|                 |         this   |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |       meeting. |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |     -   Dr.    |                         |        |
|                 |         Joyce  |                         |        |
|                 |         Niland |                         |        |
|                 |         said   |                         |        |
|                 |         that   |                         |        |
|                 |         the    |                         |        |
|                 |         COH is |                         |        |
|                 |         now    |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |  participating |                         |        |
|                 |         in     |                         |        |
|                 |         VCDE   |                         |        |
|                 |         and is |                         |        |
|                 |         a      |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |      developer |                         |        |
|                 |         in the |                         |        |
|                 |         CTMS   |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |     workspace. |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |     -   George |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |    Komatsoulis |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |       reviewed |                         |        |
|                 |         the    |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        agenda. |                         |        |
|                 |         Some   |                         |        |
|                 |         of the |                         |        |
|                 |         areas  |                         |        |
|                 |         he     |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |    highlighted |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |       included |                         |        |
|                 |         the    |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |      Developer |                         |        |
|                 |         Team   |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        Update, |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        Missing |                         |        |
|                 |         Value  |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |       Reasons, |                         |        |
|                 |         VCDE   |                         |        |
|                 |         input  |                         |        |
|                 |         to     |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |      training, |                         |        |
|                 |         the    |                         |        |
|                 |         CTMS   |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |       Metadata |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        Project |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        Update, |                         |        |
|                 |         BRIDG  |                         |        |
|                 |         Model  |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        Update, |                         |        |
|                 |         HL7    |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |      Datatypes |                         |        |
|                 |         in the |                         |        |
|                 |         caDSR, |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |  Compatibility |                         |        |
|                 |         Review |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |       Process, |                         |        |
|                 |         and    |                         |        |
|                 |         the    |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |     Concurrent |                         |        |
|                 |         Review |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |       Process. |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 | -   **VCDE WS  |                         |        |
|                 |     -- Goals   |                         |        |
|                 |     of the     |                         |        |
|                 |     Session**  |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |     -   Brian  |                         |        |
|                 |         Davis  |                         |        |
|                 |         said   |                         |        |
|                 |         that   |                         |        |
|                 |         for    |                         |        |
|                 |         Day 1, |                         |        |
|                 |         the    |                         |        |
|                 |         goals  |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |       included |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |      educating |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |     ourselves, |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |      providing |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |       feedback |                         |        |
|                 |         on     |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        ongoing |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |       projects |                         |        |
|                 |         and    |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |     processes, |                         |        |
|                 |         having |                         |        |
|                 |         ad hoc |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |   discussions, |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |  brainstorming |                         |        |
|                 |         and    |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |    determining |                         |        |
|                 |         our    |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |      direction |                         |        |
|                 |         for    |                         |        |
|                 |         the    |                         |        |
|                 |         next 6 |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        months. |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |     -   He     |                         |        |
|                 |         said   |                         |        |
|                 |         that   |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |       emphasis |                         |        |
|                 |         would  |                         |        |
|                 |         be     |                         |        |
|                 |         placed |                         |        |
|                 |         on the |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        ongoing |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |      developer |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |      projects. |                         |        |
|                 |         He     |                         |        |
|                 |         said   |                         |        |
|                 |         that   |                         |        |
|                 |         the    |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |  compatibility |                         |        |
|                 |         review |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        process |                         |        |
|                 |         would  |                         |        |
|                 |         have a |                         |        |
|                 |         panel  |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |    discussion. |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |     -   Brian  |                         |        |
|                 |         went   |                         |        |
|                 |         on to  |                         |        |
|                 |         state  |                         |        |
|                 |         that   |                         |        |
|                 |         we     |                         |        |
|                 |         should |                         |        |
|                 |         be     |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |       thinking |                         |        |
|                 |         about  |                         |        |
|                 |         what   |                         |        |
|                 |         we     |                         |        |
|                 |         will   |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        present |                         |        |
|                 |         at the |                         |        |
|                 |         annual |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        meeting |                         |        |
|                 |         in 6   |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        months. |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 | -              |                         |        |
|                 |    **Developer |                         |        |
|                 |     Team       |                         |        |
|                 |     Update**   |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 | > **Jackson    |                         |        |
|                 | > Lab**        |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 | -   Terry      |                         |        |
|                 |     Hayamizu   |                         |        |
|                 |     spoke      |                         |        |
|                 |     about The  |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |    Mouse/Human |                         |        |
|                 |     Anatomy    |                         |        |
|                 |     Project.   |                         |        |
|                 |     She stated |                         |        |
|                 |     that out   |                         |        |
|                 |     of around  |                         |        |
|                 |     2400       |                         |        |
|                 |     terms,     |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |  approximately |                         |        |
|                 |     800 can be |                         |        |
|                 |     mapped     |                         |        |
|                 |     directly   |                         |        |
|                 |     to the NCI |                         |        |
|                 |     Thesaurus. |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 | -   The        |                         |        |
|                 |     DAG-Ed     |                         |        |
|                 | it/OBO-editing |                         |        |
|                 |     tool was   |                         |        |
|                 |     the best   |                         |        |
|                 |     at         |                         |        |
|                 |     comparing  |                         |        |
|                 |     anatomy    |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |    ontologies. |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 | -   The flat   |                         |        |
|                 |     file       |                         |        |
|                 |     format can |                         |        |
|                 |     be easily  |                         |        |
|                 |     converted  |                         |        |
|                 |     to an      |                         |        |
|                 |     Excel      |                         |        |
|                 |     file.      |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 | -   Identified |                         |        |
|                 |     terms were |                         |        |
|                 |     matched    |                         |        |
|                 |     first with |                         |        |
|                 |     the tool   |                         |        |
|                 |     and then   |                         |        |
|                 |     QA'ed      |                         |        |
|                 |     manually.  |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 | -   Why do we  |                         |        |
|                 |     not        |                         |        |
|                 |     leverage   |                         |        |
|                 |     the NCI    |                         |        |
|                 |     Thesaurus  |                         |        |
|                 |     to a       |                         |        |
|                 |     greater    |                         |        |
|                 |     extent?    |                         |        |
|                 |     The        |                         |        |
|                 |     response   |                         |        |
|                 |     was that   |                         |        |
|                 |     we were    |                         |        |
|                 |     using it   |                         |        |
|                 |     to as      |                         |        |
|                 |     great an   |                         |        |
|                 |     extent as  |                         |        |
|                 |     possible.  |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 | -   Can        |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |   foundational |                         |        |
|                 |     model of   |                         |        |
|                 |     anatomy    |                         |        |
|                 |     (FMA) be   |                         |        |
|                 |     used as a  |                         |        |
|                 |     basis for  |                         |        |
|                 |     providing  |                         |        |
|                 |     the common |                         |        |
|                 |     framework  |                         |        |
|                 |     or context |                         |        |
|                 |     in which   |                         |        |
|                 |     anatomical |                         |        |
|                 |     concepts   |                         |        |
|                 |     can be     |                         |        |
|                 |     framed?    |                         |        |
|                 |     FMA is not |                         |        |
|                 |     adequate   |                         |        |
|                 |     and does   |                         |        |
|                 |     not have   |                         |        |
|                 |     all of the |                         |        |
|                 |     groupings  |                         |        |
|                 |     we need.   |                         |        |
|                 |     There are  |                         |        |
|                 |     concepts   |                         |        |
|                 |     that have  |                         |        |
|                 |     not been   |                         |        |
|                 |     included,  |                         |        |
|                 |     and this   |                         |        |
|                 |     makes FMA  |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |   inefficient. |                         |        |
|                 |     The task   |                         |        |
|                 |     was to map |                         |        |
|                 |     to the NCI |                         |        |
|                 |     Thesaurus, |                         |        |
|                 |     and the    |                         |        |
|                 |     NCI        |                         |        |
|                 |     thesaurus  |                         |        |
|                 |     only       |                         |        |
|                 |     partially  |                         |        |
|                 |     leverages  |                         |        |
|                 |     the FMA.   |                         |        |
|                 |     There are  |                         |        |
|                 |     about 100  |                         |        |
|                 |     terms      |                         |        |
|                 |     between    |                         |        |
|                 |     mouse and  |                         |        |
|                 |     humans and |                         |        |
|                 |     microarray |                         |        |
|                 |     data that  |                         |        |
|                 |     one could  |                         |        |
|                 |     map. It is |                         |        |
|                 |     very       |                         |        |
|                 |     difficult  |                         |        |
|                 |     for a      |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |   mouse/person |                         |        |
|                 |     to map     |                         |        |
|                 |     from one   |                         |        |
|                 |     group to   |                         |        |
|                 |     another.   |                         |        |
|                 |     The NCI    |                         |        |
|                 |     Thesaurus  |                         |        |
|                 |     has the    |                         |        |
|                 |     most       |                         |        |
|                 |     usable     |                         |        |
|                 |     ontology   |                         |        |
|                 |     available. |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 | -   What is    |                         |        |
|                 |     the        |                         |        |
|                 |     mapping    |                         |        |
|                 |     going to   |                         |        |
|                 |     look like  |                         |        |
|                 |     on the EVS |                         |        |
|                 |     side? The  |                         |        |
|                 |     mouse      |                         |        |
|                 |     anatomy    |                         |        |
|                 |     will be a  |                         |        |
|                 |     separate   |                         |        |
|                 |     hierarchy. |                         |        |
|                 |     ISA,       |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 | substructures, |                         |        |
|                 |     and parts  |                         |        |
|                 |     of         |                         |        |
|                 |     components |                         |        |
|                 |     will be    |                         |        |
|                 |     shown as   |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |    properties. |                         |        |
|                 |     There will |                         |        |
|                 |     be a mouse |                         |        |
|                 |     concept    |                         |        |
|                 |     that maps  |                         |        |
|                 |     from the   |                         |        |
|                 |     human      |                         |        |
|                 |     page.      |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 | -   Identical  |                         |        |
|                 |     and/ or    |                         |        |
|                 |     equivalent |                         |        |
|                 |     -- the     |                         |        |
|                 |     mapping    |                         |        |
|                 |     between    |                         |        |
|                 |     human and  |                         |        |
|                 |     mouse may  |                         |        |
|                 |     need to be |                         |        |
|                 |     more       |                         |        |
|                 |     precisely  |                         |        |
|                 |     specified? |                         |        |
|                 |     Terry said |                         |        |
|                 |     identical  |                         |        |
|                 |     is the     |                         |        |
|                 |     sense that |                         |        |
|                 |     the actual |                         |        |
|                 |     word is    |                         |        |
|                 |     the same.  |                         |        |
|                 |     Equivalent |                         |        |
|                 |     is used in |                         |        |
|                 |     terms of   |                         |        |
|                 |     structure. |                         |        |
|                 |     True       |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |    equivalency |                         |        |
|                 |     is too     |                         |        |
|                 |     great a    |                         |        |
|                 |     task. In   |                         |        |
|                 |     many       |                         |        |
|                 |     contexts,  |                         |        |
|                 |     we         |                         |        |
|                 |     annotate   |                         |        |
|                 |     to the     |                         |        |
|                 |     word, not  |                         |        |
|                 |     to the     |                         |        |
|                 |     meaning of |                         |        |
|                 |     the word.  |                         |        |
|                 |     If we      |                         |        |
|                 |     eliminate  |                         |        |
|                 |     data where |                         |        |
|                 |     we do not  |                         |        |
|                 |     know       |                         |        |
|                 |     exactly    |                         |        |
|                 |     what the   |                         |        |
|                 |     word       |                         |        |
|                 |     means, we  |                         |        |
|                 |     may be     |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |    eliminating |                         |        |
|                 |     90% of the |                         |        |
|                 |     data.      |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 | -   In terms   |                         |        |
|                 |     of         |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |   maintenance, |                         |        |
|                 |     where do   |                         |        |
|                 |     you see    |                         |        |
|                 |     this       |                         |        |
|                 |     moving?    |                         |        |
|                 |     What is    |                         |        |
|                 |     the longer |                         |        |
|                 |     term       |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |    maintenance |                         |        |
|                 |     plan?      |                         |        |
|                 |     Terry says |                         |        |
|                 |     that       |                         |        |
|                 |     updates    |                         |        |
|                 |     are done   |                         |        |
|                 |     weekly,    |                         |        |
|                 |     and that   |                         |        |
|                 |     we can     |                         |        |
|                 |     easily     |                         |        |
|                 |     determine  |                         |        |
|                 |     which      |                         |        |
|                 |     terms map  |                         |        |
|                 |     to the NCI |                         |        |
|                 |     terms.     |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 | -   George     |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |    Komatsoulis |                         |        |
|                 |     asked if   |                         |        |
|                 |     we would   |                         |        |
|                 |     want a     |                         |        |
|                 |     review of  |                         |        |
|                 |     anatomy    |                         |        |
|                 |     terms from |                         |        |
|                 |     both       |                         |        |
|                 |     sources to |                         |        |
|                 |     be         |                         |        |
|                 |     evaluated  |                         |        |
|                 |     on a       |                         |        |
|                 |     regular    |                         |        |
|                 |     basis?     |                         |        |
|                 |     Terry says |                         |        |
|                 |     yes. Larry |                         |        |
|                 |     Wright of  |                         |        |
|                 |     EVS says   |                         |        |
|                 |     that we do |                         |        |
|                 |     need       |                         |        |
|                 |     regular    |                         |        |
|                 |     working    |                         |        |
|                 |     updates.   |                         |        |
|                 |     We are     |                         |        |
|                 |     working on |                         |        |
|                 |     mechanisms |                         |        |
|                 |     to do      |                         |        |
|                 |     this.      |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 | ```{=html}     |                         |        |
|                 | <!-- -->       |                         |        |
|                 | ```            |                         |        |
|                 | -              |                         |        |
|                 |  **Nutritional |                         |        |
|                 |     Ontology** |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 | > **Hawaii**   |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 | -   Informal   |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |  harmonization |                         |        |
|                 |     with EVS   |                         |        |
|                 |     occurs in  |                         |        |
|                 |     order to   |                         |        |
|                 |     understand |                         |        |
|                 |     how terms  |                         |        |
|                 |     are        |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |    structured. |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 | -   George     |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |    Komatsoulis |                         |        |
|                 |     asked what |                         |        |
|                 |     the        |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |    distinction |                         |        |
|                 |     is between |                         |        |
|                 |     a          |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |  micronutrient |                         |        |
|                 |     and        |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 | macronutrient. |                         |        |
|                 |     Nutrients  |                         |        |
|                 |     are things |                         |        |
|                 |     that are   |                         |        |
|                 |     needed to  |                         |        |
|                 |     sustain    |                         |        |
|                 |     you. These |                         |        |
|                 |     are        |                         |        |
|                 |     substances |                         |        |
|                 |     that you   |                         |        |
|                 |     need but   |                         |        |
|                 |     are not    |                         |        |
|                 |     needed to  |                         |        |
|                 |     sustain    |                         |        |
|                 |     you. This  |                         |        |
|                 |     is a       |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |    nutritional |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |    definition. |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 | -   Defining   |                         |        |
|                 |     terms in   |                         |        |
|                 |     an         |                         |        |
|                 |     ontology   |                         |        |
|                 |     is         |                         |        |
|                 |     different  |                         |        |
|                 |     than       |                         |        |
|                 |     defining   |                         |        |
|                 |     terms not  |                         |        |
|                 |     in an      |                         |        |
|                 |     ontology.  |                         |        |
|                 |     In an      |                         |        |
|                 |     ontology,  |                         |        |
|                 |     one has to |                         |        |
|                 |     provide    |                         |        |
|                 |     more       |                         |        |
|                 |     parameters |                         |        |
|                 |     in order   |                         |        |
|                 |     not to be  |                         |        |
|                 |     too broad  |                         |        |
|                 |     and to     |                         |        |
|                 |     include    |                         |        |
|                 |     words that |                         |        |
|                 |     should not |                         |        |
|                 |     exist.     |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 | -   Docsenoic  |                         |        |
|                 |     acid       |                         |        |
|                 |     doesn't    |                         |        |
|                 |     provide    |                         |        |
|                 |     energy,    |                         |        |
|                 |     but you do |                         |        |
|                 |     need       |                         |        |
|                 |     dietary    |                         |        |
|                 |     lipids to  |                         |        |
|                 |     sustain    |                         |        |
|                 |     you and to |                         |        |
|                 |     provide    |                         |        |
|                 |     you with   |                         |        |
|                 |     energy. It |                         |        |
|                 |     is not     |                         |        |
|                 |     truly a    |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 | macronutrient. |                         |        |
|                 |     It is a    |                         |        |
|                 |     fatty      |                         |        |
|                 |     acid. One  |                         |        |
|                 |     is         |                         |        |
|                 |     changing   |                         |        |
|                 |     the        |                         |        |
|                 |     principle  |                         |        |
|                 |     with which |                         |        |
|                 |     you are    |                         |        |
|                 |     defining   |                         |        |
|                 |     the        |                         |        |
|                 |     entity.    |                         |        |
|                 |     This is a  |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |   nutritionist |                         |        |
|                 |     outlook.   |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 | -   The extent |                         |        |
|                 |     to which   |                         |        |
|                 |     something  |                         |        |
|                 |     is         |                         |        |
|                 |     controlled |                         |        |
|                 |     by its     |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |    definition, |                         |        |
|                 |     it is      |                         |        |
|                 |     important  |                         |        |
|                 |     not to     |                         |        |
|                 |     constrain  |                         |        |
|                 |     the use of |                         |        |
|                 |     these      |                         |        |
|                 |     concepts   |                         |        |
|                 |     outside    |                         |        |
|                 |     the        |                         |        |
|                 |     context    |                         |        |
|                 |     with which |                         |        |
|                 |     you are    |                         |        |
|                 |     using      |                         |        |
|                 |     them.      |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 | -   Why was    |                         |        |
|                 |     the energy |                         |        |
|                 |     component  |                         |        |
|                 |     put into   |                         |        |
|                 |     the        |                         |        |
|                 |     definition |                         |        |
|                 |     of a       |                         |        |
|                 |     nutrient   |                         |        |
|                 |     when       |                         |        |
|                 |     calling    |                         |        |
|                 |     something  |                         |        |
|                 |     a          |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 | macronutrient? |                         |        |
|                 |     Ex. lipid? |                         |        |
|                 |     Why the    |                         |        |
|                 |     energy     |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |    constraint? |                         |        |
|                 |     Again,     |                         |        |
|                 |     this is a  |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |    nutritional |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |    definition. |                         |        |
|                 |     The idea   |                         |        |
|                 |     here is    |                         |        |
|                 |     that they  |                         |        |
|                 |     apply      |                         |        |
|                 |     energy.    |                         |        |
|                 |     This is    |                         |        |
|                 |     why        |                         |        |
|                 |     alcohol is |                         |        |
|                 |     a          |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 | macronutrient. |                         |        |
|                 |     Alcohol is |                         |        |
|                 |     never a    |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |  carbohydrate. |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 | -   How are    |                         |        |
|                 |     you        |                         |        |
|                 |     tracking   |                         |        |
|                 |     what       |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 | products/drugs |                         |        |
|                 |     people     |                         |        |
|                 |     were       |                         |        |
|                 |     taking?    |                         |        |
|                 |     What are   |                         |        |
|                 |     you going  |                         |        |
|                 |     to do with |                         |        |
|                 |     herbal     |                         |        |
|                 |     products   |                         |        |
|                 |     and        |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |    homeopathic |                         |        |
|                 |     medicines? |                         |        |
|                 |     The        |                         |        |
|                 |     response   |                         |        |
|                 |     was that   |                         |        |
|                 |     they had a |                         |        |
|                 |     huge list. |                         |        |
|                 |     However,   |                         |        |
|                 |     this was   |                         |        |
|                 |     not under  |                         |        |
|                 |     the        |                         |        |
|                 |     current    |                         |        |
|                 |     plan for   |                         |        |
|                 |     the        |                         |        |
|                 |     project.   |                         |        |
|                 |     It would   |                         |        |
|                 |     be very    |                         |        |
|                 |     difficult  |                         |        |
|                 |     to         |                         |        |
|                 |     determine  |                         |        |
|                 |     what the   |                         |        |
|                 |     components |                         |        |
|                 |     are of     |                         |        |
|                 |     varying    |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |    homeopathic |                         |        |
|                 |     medicines. |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 | -   Can        |                         |        |
|                 |     dietary    |                         |        |
|                 |     components |                         |        |
|                 |     have       |                         |        |
|                 |     non-energy |                         |        |
|                 |     type       |                         |        |
|                 |     rules? Can |                         |        |
|                 |     substances |                         |        |
|                 |     have both  |                         |        |
|                 |     micro and  |                         |        |
|                 |     macro      |                         |        |
|                 |     ch         |                         |        |
|                 | aracteristics? |                         |        |
|                 |     It would   |                         |        |
|                 |     seem to    |                         |        |
|                 |     fit in     |                         |        |
|                 |     both       |                         |        |
|                 |     rules.     |                         |        |
|                 |     Tryptophan |                         |        |
|                 |     is a amono |                         |        |
|                 |     acid. It   |                         |        |
|                 |     may be a   |                         |        |
|                 |     funny      |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 | inconsistency, |                         |        |
|                 |     but this   |                         |        |
|                 |     is the way |                         |        |
|                 |     a nutrient |                         |        |
|                 |     is         |                         |        |
|                 |     defined.   |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 | -   The issue  |                         |        |
|                 |     of         |                         |        |
|                 |     tracking   |                         |        |
|                 |     herbals    |                         |        |
|                 |     and        |                         |        |
|                 |     minerals   |                         |        |
|                 |     may be     |                         |        |
|                 |     difficult. |                         |        |
|                 |     Many       |                         |        |
|                 |     people     |                         |        |
|                 |     take these |                         |        |
|                 |     products   |                         |        |
|                 |     and do not |                         |        |
|                 |     tell their |                         |        |
|                 |     doctors.   |                         |        |
|                 |     Some       |                         |        |
|                 |     doctors do |                         |        |
|                 |     not know   |                         |        |
|                 |     what to    |                         |        |
|                 |     tell their |                         |        |
|                 |     patients   |                         |        |
|                 |     regarding  |                         |        |
|                 |     whether or |                         |        |
|                 |     not they   |                         |        |
|                 |     should or  |                         |        |
|                 |     should not |                         |        |
|                 |     take it.   |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 | -   Regarding  |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |    Tryptophan, |                         |        |
|                 |     for        |                         |        |
|                 |     example, a |                         |        |
|                 |     definition |                         |        |
|                 |     should not |                         |        |
|                 |     be         |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |    constricted |                         |        |
|                 |     by its     |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |  associations. |                         |        |
|                 |     In some    |                         |        |
|                 |     cases,     |                         |        |
|                 |     Tryptophan |                         |        |
|                 |     should be  |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |    independent |                         |        |
|                 |     of any     |                         |        |
|                 |     possible   |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |  associations. |                         |        |
|                 |     We cannot  |                         |        |
|                 |     redesign   |                         |        |
|                 |     what       |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |  nutritionists |                         |        |
|                 |     think.     |                         |        |
|                 |     Something  |                         |        |
|                 |     that is    |                         |        |
|                 |     not just   |                         |        |
|                 |     dietary    |                         |        |
|                 |     will show  |                         |        |
|                 |     up other   |                         |        |
|                 |     places in  |                         |        |
|                 |     the tree   |                         |        |
|                 |     as well.   |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 | -   The        |                         |        |
|                 |     convenient |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |    assumptions |                         |        |
|                 |     made in a  |                         |        |
|                 |     given      |                         |        |
|                 |     domain are |                         |        |
|                 |     challenged |                         |        |
|                 |     when       |                         |        |
|                 |     working in |                         |        |
|                 |     a          |                         |        |
|                 |     cros       |                         |        |
|                 | s-disciplinary |                         |        |
|                 |     fashion.   |                         |        |
|                 |     We see it  |                         |        |
|                 |     in many    |                         |        |
|                 |     places     |                         |        |
|                 |     throughout |                         |        |
|                 |     the        |                         |        |
|                 |     sciences.  |                         |        |
|                 |     Just       |                         |        |
|                 |     because    |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |  nutritionists |                         |        |
|                 |     don't      |                         |        |
|                 |     think of   |                         |        |
|                 |     it this    |                         |        |
|                 |     way, we    |                         |        |
|                 |     should not |                         |        |
|                 |     be limited |                         |        |
|                 |     by using   |                         |        |
|                 |     that as an |                         |        |
|                 |     excuse to  |                         |        |
|                 |     not        |                         |        |
|                 |     change.    |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 | -   Is it      |                         |        |
|                 |     possible   |                         |        |
|                 |     to think   |                         |        |
|                 |     of         |                         |        |
|                 |     nutrients  |                         |        |
|                 |     as         |                         |        |
|                 |     something  |                         |        |
|                 |     other than |                         |        |
|                 |     energy?    |                         |        |
|                 |     This is    |                         |        |
|                 |     constantly |                         |        |
|                 |     being      |                         |        |
|                 |     argued.    |                         |        |
|                 |     The tree   |                         |        |
|                 |     is not     |                         |        |
|                 |     fixed.     |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |  Macronutrient |                         |        |
|                 |     is the one |                         |        |
|                 |     thing they |                         |        |
|                 |     all agree  |                         |        |
|                 |     on in the  |                         |        |
|                 |     field of   |                         |        |
|                 |     nutrition. |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 | -   Who are    |                         |        |
|                 |     other      |                         |        |
|                 |     people who |                         |        |
|                 |     are not    |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |  nutritionists |                         |        |
|                 |     who might  |                         |        |
|                 |     be good to |                         |        |
|                 |     review     |                         |        |
|                 |     this work? |                         |        |
|                 |     Who is     |                         |        |
|                 |     going to   |                         |        |
|                 |     want to do |                         |        |
|                 |     this. It   |                         |        |
|                 |     is pretty  |                         |        |
|                 |     tedious?   |                         |        |
|                 |     Most       |                         |        |
|                 |     scientists |                         |        |
|                 |     want to    |                         |        |
|                 |     pick       |                         |        |
|                 |     something? |                         |        |
|                 |     Sharon     |                         |        |
|                 |     said that  |                         |        |
|                 |     we do need |                         |        |
|                 |     to have    |                         |        |
|                 |     this       |                         |        |
|                 |     reviewed   |                         |        |
|                 |     by people  |                         |        |
|                 |     who are    |                         |        |
|                 |     outside of |                         |        |
|                 |     the        |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |   nutritionist |                         |        |
|                 |     space.     |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 | ```{=html}     |                         |        |
|                 | <!-- -->       |                         |        |
|                 | ```            |                         |        |
|                 | -   **LexBIG** |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |     -   LexRPC |                         |        |
|                 |         layer  |                         |        |
|                 |         versus |                         |        |
|                 |         just   |                         |        |
|                 |         using  |                         |        |
|                 |         the    |                         |        |
|                 |         web    |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |       services |                         |        |
|                 |         layer? |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |      Currently |                         |        |
|                 |         there  |                         |        |
|                 |         is a   |                         |        |
|                 |         web    |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |       services |                         |        |
|                 |         layer  |                         |        |
|                 |         that   |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |       provides |                         |        |
|                 |         LexBIG |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 | functionality. |                         |        |
|                 |         LexRPC |                         |        |
|                 |         may    |                         |        |
|                 |         not be |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        needed. |                         |        |
|                 |         The    |                         |        |
|                 |         layer  |                         |        |
|                 |         could  |                         |        |
|                 |         be a   |                         |        |
|                 |         very   |                         |        |
|                 |         thin   |                         |        |
|                 |         layer. |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |     -   When   |                         |        |
|                 |         is the |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 | implementation |                         |        |
|                 |         phase  |                         |        |
|                 |         going  |                         |        |
|                 |         to be? |                         |        |
|                 |         The    |                         |        |
|                 |         set of |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |       services |                         |        |
|                 |         and    |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |       software |                         |        |
|                 |         will   |                         |        |
|                 |         be     |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |      available |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        through |                         |        |
|                 |         the    |                         |        |
|                 |         end of |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |       January. |                         |        |
|                 |         Mayo   |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        testing |                         |        |
|                 |         and    |                         |        |
|                 |         NCI    |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        testing |                         |        |
|                 |         will   |                         |        |
|                 |         be     |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |      available |                         |        |
|                 |         at     |                         |        |
|                 |         this   |                         |        |
|                 |         time.  |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |     -   Is     |                         |        |
|                 |         this   |                         |        |
|                 |         an     |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |      extension |                         |        |
|                 |         of the |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        service |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |      metadata? |                         |        |
|                 |         Is     |                         |        |
|                 |         this a |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |    terminology |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |       service? |                         |        |
|                 |         Harold |                         |        |
|                 |         said   |                         |        |
|                 |         that   |                         |        |
|                 |         we are |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |     definitely |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        certain |                         |        |
|                 |         that   |                         |        |
|                 |         the    |                         |        |
|                 |         work   |                         |        |
|                 |         that   |                         |        |
|                 |         is     |                         |        |
|                 |         being  |                         |        |
|                 |         done   |                         |        |
|                 |         will   |                         |        |
|                 |         meet   |                         |        |
|                 |         the    |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |   requirements |                         |        |
|                 |         set    |                         |        |
|                 |         forth  |                         |        |
|                 |         in the |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |   Architecture |                         |        |
|                 |         and    |                         |        |
|                 |         VCDE   |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |      meetings. |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |     -   It     |                         |        |
|                 |         would  |                         |        |
|                 |         be     |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        helpful |                         |        |
|                 |         for    |                         |        |
|                 |         the    |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        project |                         |        |
|                 |         teams  |                         |        |
|                 |         of     |                         |        |
|                 |         LexBIG |                         |        |
|                 |         and    |                         |        |
|                 |         caGrid |                         |        |
|                 |         works  |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |       together |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |       closely. |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |     -   Is     |                         |        |
|                 |         this   |                         |        |
|                 |         going  |                         |        |
|                 |         to be  |                         |        |
|                 |         a team |                         |        |
|                 |         to     |                         |        |
|                 |         team   |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |    interaction |                         |        |
|                 |         with   |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        caGrid? |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        Avinash |                         |        |
|                 |         says   |                         |        |
|                 |         that   |                         |        |
|                 |         this   |                         |        |
|                 |         should |                         |        |
|                 |         be a   |                         |        |
|                 |         team   |                         |        |
|                 |         to     |                         |        |
|                 |         team   |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |   interaction. |                         |        |
|                 |         caGrid |                         |        |
|                 |         will   |                         |        |
|                 |         be     |                         |        |
|                 |         doing  |                         |        |
|                 |         its    |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |   requirements |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |       analysis |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        through |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |       January. |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |     -   The    |                         |        |
|                 |         Object |                         |        |
|                 |         graph  |                         |        |
|                 |         being  |                         |        |
|                 |         sent   |                         |        |
|                 |         to the |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        client. |                         |        |
|                 |         In     |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        caGrid, |                         |        |
|                 |         how do |                         |        |
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|                 |         data   |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |     structures |                         |        |
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|                 |                |                         |        |
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|                 |         from   |                         |        |
|                 |         client |                         |        |
|                 |         to the |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        server? |                         |        |
|                 |         How    |                         |        |
|                 |         can we |                         |        |
|                 |         do     |                         |        |
|                 |         this?  |                         |        |
|                 |         One    |                         |        |
|                 |         idea   |                         |        |
|                 |         is the |                         |        |
|                 |         coded  |                         |        |
|                 |         node   |                         |        |
|                 |         graph  |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |      mentioned |                         |        |
|                 |         in the |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |     PowerPoint |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |  presentation. |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
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|                 |         the    |                         |        |
|                 |         query  |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |       service, |                         |        |
|                 |         are    |                         |        |
|                 |         you    |                         |        |
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|                 |         to     |                         |        |
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|                 |                |                         |        |
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|                 |         query, |                         |        |
|                 |         or a   |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |     programmed |                         |        |
|                 |         API?   |                         |        |
|                 |         We are |                         |        |
|                 |         going  |                         |        |
|                 |         to     |                         |        |
|                 |         have   |                         |        |
|                 |         an API |                         |        |
|                 |         that   |                         |        |
|                 |         can be |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |      connected |                         |        |
|                 |         to     |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        through |                         |        |
|                 |         the    |                         |        |
|                 |         use of |                         |        |
|                 |         Java?  |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |     -   On the |                         |        |
|                 |         query  |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |       service, |                         |        |
|                 |         will   |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |    intelligent |                         |        |
|                 |         text   |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |     searching, |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |       Boolean, |                         |        |
|                 |         etc be |                         |        |
|                 |         used?  |                         |        |
|                 |         We     |                         |        |
|                 |         have   |                         |        |
|                 |         two    |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        classes |                         |        |
|                 |         of     |                         |        |
|                 |         search |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |    algorithms. |                         |        |
|                 |         We     |                         |        |
|                 |         have   |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        virtual |                         |        |
|                 |         nodes  |                         |        |
|                 |         that   |                         |        |
|                 |         allow  |                         |        |
|                 |         us to  |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
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|                 |         and do |                         |        |
|                 |         more   |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |  sophisticated |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |      searches. |                         |        |
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|                 |         graph  |                         |        |
|                 |         side,  |                         |        |
|                 |         it     |                         |        |
|                 |         allows |                         |        |
|                 |         us to  |                         |        |
|                 |         have   |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |     transitive |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |       closure. |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |     -   Can    |                         |        |
|                 |         Word   |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |       Smithing |                         |        |
|                 |         or     |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        Boolean |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |       searches |                         |        |
|                 |         be     |                         |        |
|                 |         done   |                         |        |
|                 |         in     |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        LexBIG? |                         |        |
|                 |         Word   |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |       stemming |                         |        |
|                 |         based  |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        package |                         |        |
|                 |         may be |                         |        |
|                 |         added. |                         |        |
|                 |         Coded  |                         |        |
|                 |         node   |                         |        |
|                 |         set    |                         |        |
|                 |         yields |                         |        |
|                 |         a      |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        virtual |                         |        |
|                 |         node.  |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |     -   Were   |                         |        |
|                 |         you    |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |    considering |                         |        |
|                 |         this   |                         |        |
|                 |         so     |                         |        |
|                 |         that   |                         |        |
|                 |         you    |                         |        |
|                 |         can    |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        package |                         |        |
|                 |         it for |                         |        |
|                 |         the    |                         |        |
|                 |         EGB    |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        (beans) |                         |        |
|                 |         group? |                         |        |
|                 |         We     |                         |        |
|                 |         know   |                         |        |
|                 |         how to |                         |        |
|                 |         go     |                         |        |
|                 |         from   |                         |        |
|                 |         EA to  |                         |        |
|                 |         Java.  |                         |        |
|                 |         We     |                         |        |
|                 |         could  |                         |        |
|                 |         use    |                         |        |
|                 |         the    |                         |        |
|                 |         CRIX   |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |       modeling |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        network |                         |        |
|                 |         which  |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |      generates |                         |        |
|                 |         beans. |                         |        |
|                 |         We     |                         |        |
|                 |         need   |                         |        |
|                 |         beans  |                         |        |
|                 |         as one |                         |        |
|                 |         of the |                         |        |
|                 |         APIs.  |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
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|                 |         all of |                         |        |
|                 |         the    |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
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|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |     techniques |                         |        |
|                 |         you    |                         |        |
|                 |         have   |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |     mentioned, |                         |        |
|                 |         is     |                         |        |
|                 |         there  |                         |        |
|                 |         a      |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |       semantic |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |      approach? |                         |        |
|                 |         The    |                         |        |
|                 |         ones   |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |      mentioned |                         |        |
|                 |         thus   |                         |        |
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|                 |         are    |                         |        |
|                 |         simple |                         |        |
|                 |         text   |                         |        |
|                 |         based  |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |    approaches. |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |     -   We do  |                         |        |
|                 |         not    |                         |        |
|                 |         have   |                         |        |
|                 |         in the |                         |        |
|                 |         API    |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        context |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |      sensitive |                         |        |
|                 |         graph  |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |    structures. |                         |        |
|                 |         If     |                         |        |
|                 |         that   |                         |        |
|                 |         is an  |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |      important |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |   requirement, |                         |        |
|                 |         we     |                         |        |
|                 |         need   |                         |        |
|                 |         to get |                         |        |
|                 |         that   |                         |        |
|                 |         to the |                         |        |
|                 |         EVS    |                         |        |
|                 |         group. |                         |        |
|                 |         A      |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |     particular |                         |        |
|                 |         group  |                         |        |
|                 |         or     |                         |        |
|                 |         course |                         |        |
|                 |         can    |                         |        |
|                 |         name   |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |  associations. |                         |        |
|                 |         The    |                         |        |
|                 |         API    |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        content |                         |        |
|                 |         has    |                         |        |
|                 |         not    |                         |        |
|                 |         gone   |                         |        |
|                 |         that   |                         |        |
|                 |         far.   |                         |        |
|                 |         This   |                         |        |
|                 |         topic  |                         |        |
|                 |         needs  |                         |        |
|                 |         to be  |                         |        |
|                 |         pushed |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |       farther. |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |     -   What   |                         |        |
|                 |         is the |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |     connection |                         |        |
|                 |         to SDK |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |      processes |                         |        |
|                 |         such   |                         |        |
|                 |         as     |                         |        |
|                 |         going  |                         |        |
|                 |         from   |                         |        |
|                 |         the    |                         |        |
|                 |         UML    |                         |        |
|                 |         model  |                         |        |
|                 |         to     |                         |        |
|                 |         CDEs?  |                         |        |
|                 |         How is |                         |        |
|                 |         that   |                         |        |
|                 |         going  |                         |        |
|                 |         to     |                         |        |
|                 |         work   |                         |        |
|                 |         as a   |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |    terminology |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        source? |                         |        |
|                 |         At the |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        moment, |                         |        |
|                 |         we are |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |     delivering |                         |        |
|                 |         the    |                         |        |
|                 |         basic  |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        tooling |                         |        |
|                 |         to     |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        deliver |                         |        |
|                 |         that.  |                         |        |
|                 |         How    |                         |        |
|                 |         the    |                         |        |
|                 |         SDK    |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        related |                         |        |
|                 |         to the |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |    terminology |                         |        |
|                 |         is     |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |     uncertain. |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |     -   It     |                         |        |
|                 |         will   |                         |        |
|                 |         be     |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |      important |                         |        |
|                 |         to     |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |      determine |                         |        |
|                 |         what   |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |     components |                         |        |
|                 |         of the |                         |        |
|                 |         API    |                         |        |
|                 |         will   |                         |        |
|                 |         be     |                         |        |
|                 |         silver |                         |        |
|                 |         level  |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |    compatible. |                         |        |
|                 |         This   |                         |        |
|                 |         will   |                         |        |
|                 |         be run |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        through |                         |        |
|                 |         the    |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |       semantic |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |      connector |                         |        |
|                 |         and    |                         |        |
|                 |         will   |                         |        |
|                 |         be     |                         |        |
|                 |         used   |                         |        |
|                 |         to map |                         |        |
|                 |         into   |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |       existing |                         |        |
|                 |         CDE's. |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |     -   Are    |                         |        |
|                 |         you    |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        putting |                         |        |
|                 |         into   |                         |        |
|                 |         the    |                         |        |
|                 |         API    |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |     operations |                         |        |
|                 |         that   |                         |        |
|                 |         will   |                         |        |
|                 |         allow  |                         |        |
|                 |         end    |                         |        |
|                 |         users  |                         |        |
|                 |         to add |                         |        |
|                 |         to the |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |      resource? |                         |        |
|                 |         This   |                         |        |
|                 |         will   |                         |        |
|                 |         be out |                         |        |
|                 |         of     |                         |        |
|                 |         scope  |                         |        |
|                 |         for    |                         |        |
|                 |         this   |                         |        |
|                 |         phase. |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        Perhaps |                         |        |
|                 |         in the |                         |        |
|                 |         future |                         |        |
|                 |         this   |                         |        |
|                 |         can be |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |     addressed. |                         |        |
|                 |         There  |                         |        |
|                 |         are a  |                         |        |
|                 |         set of |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        loaders |                         |        |
|                 |         that   |                         |        |
|                 |         can be |                         |        |
|                 |         used   |                         |        |
|                 |         to     |                         |        |
|                 |         give   |                         |        |
|                 |         accept |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |   terminology. |                         |        |
|                 |         The    |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        ability |                         |        |
|                 |         to     |                         |        |
|                 |         change |                         |        |
|                 |         and    |                         |        |
|                 |         edit   |                         |        |
|                 |         on a   |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |       bit-wise |                         |        |
|                 |         basis  |                         |        |
|                 |         is out |                         |        |
|                 |         of     |                         |        |
|                 |         scope  |                         |        |
|                 |         for    |                         |        |
|                 |         this   |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |       project. |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 | -   **Missing  |                         |        |
|                 |     Value      |                         |        |
|                 |     Reason**   |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |     -          |                         |        |
|                 |  "Optionality" |                         |        |
|                 |         cannot |                         |        |
|                 |         be     |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |       measured |                         |        |
|                 |         in     |                         |        |
|                 |         caDSR. |                         |        |
|                 |         If one |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |    application |                         |        |
|                 |         is     |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |  communicating |                         |        |
|                 |         with   |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |       another, |                         |        |
|                 |         this   |                         |        |
|                 |         is a   |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |       definite |                         |        |
|                 |         a      |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |   requirement. |                         |        |
|                 |         This   |                         |        |
|                 |         does   |                         |        |
|                 |         not    |                         |        |
|                 |         hurt   |                         |        |
|                 |         the    |                         |        |
|                 |         MVR    |                         |        |
|                 |         issue  |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |       however, |                         |        |
|                 |         as a   |                         |        |
|                 |         data   |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        element |                         |        |
|                 |         by     |                         |        |
|                 |         itself |                         |        |
|                 |         has no |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |   optionality. |                         |        |
|                 |         A data |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        element |                         |        |
|                 |         in its |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |       specific |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        context |                         |        |
|                 |         is     |                         |        |
|                 |         where  |                         |        |
|                 |         the    |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |    optionality |                         |        |
|                 |         is     |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |    considered. |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |    Optionality |                         |        |
|                 |         is     |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |      dependent |                         |        |
|                 |         on the |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |       specific |                         |        |
|                 |         use    |                         |        |
|                 |         and    |                         |        |
|                 |         the    |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |       specific |                         |        |
|                 |         data   |                         |        |
|                 |         that   |                         |        |
|                 |         stems  |                         |        |
|                 |         from   |                         |        |
|                 |         the    |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |       specific |                         |        |
|                 |         use. A |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |       separate |                         |        |
|                 |         tied   |                         |        |
|                 |         MVR    |                         |        |
|                 |         space  |                         |        |
|                 |         is     |                         |        |
|                 |         very   |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |     important. |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |     -   1\.    |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |   intermittent |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |      confusion |                         |        |
|                 |         came   |                         |        |
|                 |         up     |                         |        |
|                 |         when   |                         |        |
|                 |         people |                         |        |
|                 |         did    |                         |        |
|                 |         not    |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        realize |                         |        |
|                 |         that   |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        missing |                         |        |
|                 |         value  |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        reasons |                         |        |
|                 |         are    |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |    permissible |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        values. |                         |        |
|                 |         MVR's  |                         |        |
|                 |         are    |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |    implemented |                         |        |
|                 |         as an  |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |     associated |                         |        |
|                 |         CDE.   |                         |        |
|                 |         At the |                         |        |
|                 |         data   |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        element |                         |        |
|                 |         level, |                         |        |
|                 |         being  |                         |        |
|                 |         a      |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |      proponent |                         |        |
|                 |         of the |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |      financial |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |      metaphor, |                         |        |
|                 |         MVR    |                         |        |
|                 |         would  |                         |        |
|                 |         play   |                         |        |
|                 |         the    |                         |        |
|                 |         role   |                         |        |
|                 |         of     |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |      currency. |                         |        |
|                 |         It is  |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |      important |                         |        |
|                 |         that   |                         |        |
|                 |         the    |                         |        |
|                 |         coins  |                         |        |
|                 |         are    |                         |        |
|                 |         user   |                         |        |
|                 |         and    |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |    application |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |      specific. |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |     -   Who is |                         |        |
|                 |         in     |                         |        |
|                 |         charge |                         |        |
|                 |         and    |                         |        |
|                 |         who is |                         |        |
|                 |         the    |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |     authority? |                         |        |
|                 |         This   |                         |        |
|                 |         is     |                         |        |
|                 |         really |                         |        |
|                 |         an     |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |    application |                         |        |
|                 |         best   |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |      practices |                         |        |
|                 |         issue. |                         |        |
|                 |         Who do |                         |        |
|                 |         we see |                         |        |
|                 |         about  |                         |        |
|                 |         a      |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |     vocabulary |                         |        |
|                 |         CDE    |                         |        |
|                 |         issue? |                         |        |
|                 |         How do |                         |        |
|                 |         you    |                         |        |
|                 |         see    |                         |        |
|                 |         this   |                         |        |
|                 |         being  |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        carried |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        through |                         |        |
|                 |         in an  |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |    operational |                         |        |
|                 |         view?  |                         |        |
|                 |         For    |                         |        |
|                 |         caBIG  |                         |        |
|                 |         funded |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |    activities, |                         |        |
|                 |         the    |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |    expectation |                         |        |
|                 |         is     |                         |        |
|                 |         that   |                         |        |
|                 |         an     |                         |        |
|                 |         in     |                         |        |
|                 | teroperability |                         |        |
|                 |         review |                         |        |
|                 |         is to  |                         |        |
|                 |         be     |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |      conducted |                         |        |
|                 |         by the |                         |        |
|                 |         two    |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |   crosscutting |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |    workspaces. |                         |        |
|                 |         The    |                         |        |
|                 |         role   |                         |        |
|                 |         of the |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        mentors |                         |        |
|                 |         will   |                         |        |
|                 |         be     |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |      critical. |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |     -   Perl   |                         |        |
|                 |         is     |                         |        |
|                 |         great  |                         |        |
|                 |         for    |                         |        |
|                 |         reuse. |                         |        |
|                 |         It is  |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |      important |                         |        |
|                 |         to     |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        provide |                         |        |
|                 |         a      |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        library |                         |        |
|                 |         of     |                         |        |
|                 |         MVRs.  |                         |        |
|                 |         We     |                         |        |
|                 |         could  |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        develop |                         |        |
|                 |         new    |                         |        |
|                 |         ways   |                         |        |
|                 |         of     |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |   representing |                         |        |
|                 |         this   |                         |        |
|                 |         info,  |                         |        |
|                 |         or we  |                         |        |
|                 |         could  |                         |        |
|                 |         rip it |                         |        |
|                 |         from   |                         |        |
|                 |         Perl   |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        scripts |                         |        |
|                 |         that   |                         |        |
|                 |         have   |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        already |                         |        |
|                 |         been   |                         |        |
|                 |         made.  |                         |        |
|                 |         Reuse  |                         |        |
|                 |         is the |                         |        |
|                 |         name   |                         |        |
|                 |         of the |                         |        |
|                 |         game.  |                         |        |
|                 |         This   |                         |        |
|                 |         is     |                         |        |
|                 |         really |                         |        |
|                 |         more   |                         |        |
|                 |         an     |                         |        |
|                 |         issue  |                         |        |
|                 |         of     |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |     developing |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |      processes |                         |        |
|                 |         for    |                         |        |
|                 |         caBIG  |                         |        |
|                 |         to     |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        follow. |                         |        |
|                 |         We     |                         |        |
|                 |         need   |                         |        |
|                 |         to get |                         |        |
|                 |         the    |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |     guidelines |                         |        |
|                 |         in     |                         |        |
|                 |         shape. |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |    -   Rebecca |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        Crowley |                         |        |
|                 |         came   |                         |        |
|                 |         up     |                         |        |
|                 |         with   |                         |        |
|                 |         15     |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        missing |                         |        |
|                 |         value  |                         |        |
|                 |         reason |                         |        |
|                 |         CDE's  |                         |        |
|                 |         for    |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        caTIES. |                         |        |
|                 |         The    |                         |        |
|                 |         vast   |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |       majority |                         |        |
|                 |         of     |                         |        |
|                 |         them   |                         |        |
|                 |         are of |                         |        |
|                 |         this   |                         |        |
|                 |         type.  |                         |        |
|                 |         She    |                         |        |
|                 |         chose  |                         |        |
|                 |         to     |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |      implement |                         |        |
|                 |         all of |                         |        |
|                 |         those  |                         |        |
|                 |         as     |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |       separate |                         |        |
|                 |         CDE's. |                         |        |
|                 |         It     |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |       connects |                         |        |
|                 |         the    |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |     electronic |                         |        |
|                 |         world  |                         |        |
|                 |         more   |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        closely |                         |        |
|                 |         to the |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |       physical |                         |        |
|                 |         world. |                         |        |
|                 |         This   |                         |        |
|                 |         will   |                         |        |
|                 |         give a |                         |        |
|                 |         more   |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |     consistent |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |       example. |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |     -   What   |                         |        |
|                 |         is the |                         |        |
|                 |         role   |                         |        |
|                 |         of the |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |     definition |                         |        |
|                 |         of     |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |      something |                         |        |
|                 |         like   |                         |        |
|                 |         this   |                         |        |
|                 |         in the |                         |        |
|                 |         caDSR? |                         |        |
|                 |         Is the |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |       function |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |    descriptive |                         |        |
|                 |         or     |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |  prescriptive? |                         |        |
|                 |         If the |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |       database |                         |        |
|                 |         stores |                         |        |
|                 |         all    |                         |        |
|                 |         three  |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        values, |                         |        |
|                 |         from a |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |    descriptive |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |   perspective, |                         |        |
|                 |         it     |                         |        |
|                 |         seems  |                         |        |
|                 |         that   |                         |        |
|                 |         we     |                         |        |
|                 |         would  |                         |        |
|                 |         have   |                         |        |
|                 |         more   |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |      latitude. |                         |        |
|                 |         The    |                         |        |
|                 |         model  |                         |        |
|                 |         of     |                         |        |
|                 |         caDSR  |                         |        |
|                 |         data   |                         |        |
|                 |         should |                         |        |
|                 |         allow  |                         |        |
|                 |         any    |                         |        |
|                 |         data   |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        element |                         |        |
|                 |         to     |                         |        |
|                 |         have   |                         |        |
|                 |         the    |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |     capability |                         |        |
|                 |         to     |                         |        |
|                 |         have   |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        missing |                         |        |
|                 |         value  |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |       reasons. |                         |        |
|                 |         It     |                         |        |
|                 |         should |                         |        |
|                 |         be     |                         |        |
|                 |         able   |                         |        |
|                 |         to be  |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |       attached |                         |        |
|                 |         to any |                         |        |
|                 |         other  |                         |        |
|                 |         data   |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |      elements. |                         |        |
|                 |         We     |                         |        |
|                 |         should |                         |        |
|                 |         show   |                         |        |
|                 |         the    |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        missing |                         |        |
|                 |         value  |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        reasons |                         |        |
|                 |         along  |                         |        |
|                 |         with   |                         |        |
|                 |         the    |                         |        |
|                 |         other  |                         |        |
|                 |         values |                         |        |
|                 |         that   |                         |        |
|                 |         are    |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |       present. |                         |        |
|                 |         This   |                         |        |
|                 |         should |                         |        |
|                 |         be up  |                         |        |
|                 |         to the |                         |        |
|                 |         view.  |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |     -   George |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |    Komatsoulis |                         |        |
|                 |         said   |                         |        |
|                 |         that a |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |     laterality |                         |        |
|                 |         MVR    |                         |        |
|                 |         should |                         |        |
|                 |         be     |                         |        |
|                 |         tied   |                         |        |
|                 |         to the |                         |        |
|                 |         CDE.   |                         |        |
|                 |         There  |                         |        |
|                 |         is a   |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |      structure |                         |        |
|                 |         that   |                         |        |
|                 |         could  |                         |        |
|                 |         be     |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        arrived |                         |        |
|                 |         at in  |                         |        |
|                 |         order  |                         |        |
|                 |         to     |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |      determine |                         |        |
|                 |         what   |                         |        |
|                 |         that   |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |   relationship |                         |        |
|                 |         should |                         |        |
|                 |         be.    |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |     -   If     |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |    flexibility |                         |        |
|                 |         is the |                         |        |
|                 |         goal,  |                         |        |
|                 |         it     |                         |        |
|                 |         makes  |                         |        |
|                 |         the    |                         |        |
|                 |         most   |                         |        |
|                 |         sense  |                         |        |
|                 |         to     |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |       separate |                         |        |
|                 |         out    |                         |        |
|                 |         the    |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        missing |                         |        |
|                 |         value  |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |       reasons. |                         |        |
|                 |         It     |                         |        |
|                 |         seems  |                         |        |
|                 |         that   |                         |        |
|                 |         there  |                         |        |
|                 |         may be |                         |        |
|                 |         many   |                         |        |
|                 |         MVRs   |                         |        |
|                 |         that   |                         |        |
|                 |         need   |                         |        |
|                 |         to be  |                         |        |
|                 |         a      |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |       separate |                         |        |
|                 |         value  |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        domain. |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |     -   How    |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |    independent |                         |        |
|                 |         is the |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        missing |                         |        |
|                 |         value  |                         |        |
|                 |         reason |                         |        |
|                 |         from a |                         |        |
|                 |         domain |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        itself? |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |       Depends. |                         |        |
|                 |         One    |                         |        |
|                 |         place  |                         |        |
|                 |         a      |                         |        |
|                 |         value  |                         |        |
|                 |         may be |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        enough, |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        whereas |                         |        |
|                 |         at     |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        another |                         |        |
|                 |         place  |                         |        |
|                 |         the    |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        concept |                         |        |
|                 |         is not |                         |        |
|                 |         enough |                         |        |
|                 |         and    |                         |        |
|                 |         you    |                         |        |
|                 |         cannot |                         |        |
|                 |         get a  |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        missing |                         |        |
|                 |         value  |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        reason. |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |     -   Even   |                         |        |
|                 |         in a   |                         |        |
|                 |         case   |                         |        |
|                 |         that   |                         |        |
|                 |         seems  |                         |        |
|                 |         so     |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |       straight |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        forward |                         |        |
|                 |         as not |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |     specified, |                         |        |
|                 |         there  |                         |        |
|                 |         are    |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |       multiple |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |      meanings. |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |   Proportional |                         |        |
|                 |         to the |                         |        |
|                 |         need   |                         |        |
|                 |         to be  |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |       granular |                         |        |
|                 |         in a   |                         |        |
|                 |         value  |                         |        |
|                 |         is the |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |    requirement |                         |        |
|                 |         to     |                         |        |
|                 |         have a |                         |        |
|                 |         pick   |                         |        |
|                 |         list.  |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |     -   The    |                         |        |
|                 |         idea   |                         |        |
|                 |         at the |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |       coarsest |                         |        |
|                 |         level  |                         |        |
|                 |         is to  |                         |        |
|                 |         be     |                         |        |
|                 |         able   |                         |        |
|                 |         to say |                         |        |
|                 |         what   |                         |        |
|                 |         is     |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |       missing. |                         |        |
|                 |         If you |                         |        |
|                 |         are in |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |     situations |                         |        |
|                 |         where  |                         |        |
|                 |         you    |                         |        |
|                 |         are    |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |      combining |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        values, |                         |        |
|                 |         then   |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        somehow |                         |        |
|                 |         you    |                         |        |
|                 |         have   |                         |        |
|                 |         to be  |                         |        |
|                 |         able   |                         |        |
|                 |         to     |                         |        |
|                 |         tease  |                         |        |
|                 |         the    |                         |        |
|                 |         two    |                         |        |
|                 |         apart. |                         |        |
|                 |         It     |                         |        |
|                 |         should |                         |        |
|                 |         be     |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |       targeted |                         |        |
|                 |         at the |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |      consumers |                         |        |
|                 |         and we |                         |        |
|                 |         should |                         |        |
|                 |         be     |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        looking |                         |        |
|                 |         at     |                         |        |
|                 |         having |                         |        |
|                 |         broad  |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |    categories. |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 | -   **VCDE     |                         |        |
|                 |     Input to   |                         |        |
|                 |     Training   |                         |        |
|                 |     WG**       |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |     -   For    |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |       training |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |       sessions |                         |        |
|                 |         that   |                         |        |
|                 |         are    |                         |        |
|                 |         given  |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        through |                         |        |
|                 |         caBIG  |                         |        |
|                 |         te     |                         |        |
|                 | leconferences, |                         |        |
|                 |         if     |                         |        |
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|                 |                |                         |        |
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|                 |                |                         |        |
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|                 |         CD     |                         |        |
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|                 |                |                         |        |
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|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        online. |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 | -   **CTMS     |                         |        |
|                 |     Metadata   |                         |        |
|                 |     Project    |                         |        |
|                 |     Update**   |                         |        |
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|                 |                |                         |        |
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|                 |                |                         |        |
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|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |    information |                         |        |
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|                 |                |                         |        |
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|                 |         and a  |                         |        |
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|                 |                |                         |        |
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|                 |         sense, |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
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|                 |         to the |                         |        |
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|                 |         of     |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |    application |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
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|                 |         in the |                         |        |
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|                 |                |                         |        |
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|                 |                |                         |        |
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|                 |                |                         |        |
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|                 |         to use |                         |        |
|                 |         the    |                         |        |
|                 |         HL7    |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |    guidelines. |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
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|                 |         common |                         |        |
|                 |         data   |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |       elements |                         |        |
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|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |    information |                         |        |
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|                 |         the    |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |       clinical |                         |        |
|                 |         HL7    |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |     annotation |                         |        |
|                 |         side?  |                         |        |
|                 |         We are |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
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|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |    limitations |                         |        |
|                 |         of the |                         |        |
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|                 |                |                         |        |
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|                 |         int    |                         |        |
|                 | eroperability. |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
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|                 |                |                         |        |
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|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |    development |                         |        |
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|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        general |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        classes |                         |        |
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|                 |         have   |                         |        |
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|                 |         c      |                         |        |
|                 | haracteristics |                         |        |
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|                 |         to     |                         |        |
|                 |         more   |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |       specific |                         |        |
|                 |         ones.  |                         |        |
|                 |         HL7 is |                         |        |
|                 |         the    |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |      opposite. |                         |        |
|                 |         One of |                         |        |
|                 |         the    |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
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|                 |                |                         |        |
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|                 |         the    |                         |        |
|                 |         tree.  |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
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|                 |                |                         |        |
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|                 |                |                         |        |
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|                 |         This   |                         |        |
|                 |         is     |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |      analogous |                         |        |
|                 |         to the |                         |        |
|                 |         VCDE   |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |     machinery. |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |     -   Are    |                         |        |
|                 |         all    |                         |        |
|                 |         HL7    |                         |        |
|                 |         data   |                         |        |
|                 |         types  |                         |        |
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|                 |         use    |                         |        |
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|                 |     -   If one |                         |        |
|                 |         were   |                         |        |
|                 |         to     |                         |        |
|                 |         send   |                         |        |
|                 |         an HL7 |                         |        |
|                 |         CD     |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |       (Concept |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |    Descriptor) |                         |        |
|                 |         over   |                         |        |
|                 |         the    |                         |        |
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|                 |         could  |                         |        |
|                 |         the    |                         |        |
|                 |         data   |                         |        |
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|                 |                |                         |        |
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|                 |                |                         |        |
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|                 |                |                         |        |
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|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |      something |                         |        |
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|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |     reproduces |                         |        |
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|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        string. |                         |        |
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|                 |                |                         |        |
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|                 |                |                         |        |
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|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 | -   **BRIDG    |                         |        |
|                 |     Model      |                         |        |
|                 |     Update**   |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
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|                 |         people |                         |        |
|                 |         in     |                         |        |
|                 |         BRIDG  |                         |        |
|                 |         have   |                         |        |
|                 |         done a |                         |        |
|                 |         gap    |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
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|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        nothing |                         |        |
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|                 |         been   |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        derived |                         |        |
|                 |         from   |                         |        |
|                 |         BRIDG  |                         |        |
|                 |         just   |                         |        |
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|                 |         RMIM   |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |       (Refined |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        Message |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
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|                 |                |                         |        |
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|                 |         domain |                         |        |
|                 |         model. |                         |        |
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|                 |         caBIG, |                         |        |
|                 |         the    |                         |        |
|                 |         API    |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
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|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        queries |                         |        |
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|                 |         will   |                         |        |
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|                 |         months |                         |        |
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|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |    Information |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
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|                 |                |                         |        |
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|                 |         VCDE   |                         |        |
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|                 |                |                         |        |
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|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |     expertise. |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
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|                 |         Chute  |                         |        |
|                 |         said   |                         |        |
|                 |         that   |                         |        |
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|                 |         an     |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
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|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |    development |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        process |                         |        |
|                 |         of     |                         |        |
|                 |         BRIDG. |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 | -   **HL7      |                         |        |
|                 |     Datatypes  |                         |        |
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|                 |     caDSR**    |                         |        |
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|                 |         did    |                         |        |
|                 |         you    |                         |        |
|                 |         map    |                         |        |
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|                 |         and    |                         |        |
|                 |         the    |                         |        |
|                 |         data   |                         |        |
|                 |         types? |                         |        |
|                 |         We     |                         |        |
|                 |         were   |                         |        |
|                 |         not    |                         |        |
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|                 |                |                         |        |
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|                 |         and    |                         |        |
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|                 |         the    |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        concept |                         |        |
|                 |         of a   |                         |        |
|                 |         unique |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |       identity |                         |        |
|                 |         of     |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |       instants |                         |        |
|                 |         within |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        caGrid? |                         |        |
|                 |         The    |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |       instants |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |     identifier |                         |        |
|                 |         in HL7 |                         |        |
|                 |         has an |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |      extension |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |      attribute |                         |        |
|                 |         with a |                         |        |
|                 |         unique |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |       instance |                         |        |
|                 |         given  |                         |        |
|                 |         to     |                         |        |
|                 |         that   |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        object. |                         |        |
|                 |         It     |                         |        |
|                 |         just   |                         |        |
|                 |         needs  |                         |        |
|                 |         to be  |                         |        |
|                 |         a      |                         |        |
|                 |         unique |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |     identifier |                         |        |
|                 |         of     |                         |        |
|                 |         some   |                         |        |
|                 |         kind.  |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |     -   caBIG  |                         |        |
|                 |         has    |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |    identifiers |                         |        |
|                 |         and    |                         |        |
|                 |         must   |                         |        |
|                 |         have   |                         |        |
|                 |         some   |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        concept |                         |        |
|                 |         of     |                         |        |
|                 |         having |                         |        |
|                 |         an     |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |     authority. |                         |        |
|                 |         It     |                         |        |
|                 |         will   |                         |        |
|                 |         need   |                         |        |
|                 |         to be  |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |      reviewed. |                         |        |
|                 |         So     |                         |        |
|                 |         much   |                         |        |
|                 |         good   |                         |        |
|                 |         work   |                         |        |
|                 |         needs  |                         |        |
|                 |         to be  |                         |        |
|                 |         done   |                         |        |
|                 |         in     |                         |        |
|                 |         HL7.   |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |      Mandatory |                         |        |
|                 |         HL7    |                         |        |
|                 |         fields |                         |        |
|                 |         may    |                         |        |
|                 |         not be |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |    applicable, |                         |        |
|                 |         but we |                         |        |
|                 |         not    |                         |        |
|                 |         need   |                         |        |
|                 |         to     |                         |        |
|                 |         feed   |                         |        |
|                 |         that   |                         |        |
|                 |         back   |                         |        |
|                 |         to     |                         |        |
|                 |         HL7.   |                         |        |
|                 |         What   |                         |        |
|                 |         is the |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |      reference |                         |        |
|                 |         model? |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |     -   BRIDG  |                         |        |
|                 |         uses   |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 | implementation |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        models. |                         |        |
|                 |         RIM    |                         |        |
|                 |         and    |                         |        |
|                 |         BRIDG  |                         |        |
|                 |         have   |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |      different |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |      reference |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        models. |                         |        |
|                 |         The    |                         |        |
|                 |         caAERS |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |       modeling |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        process |                         |        |
|                 |         has    |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |     identified |                         |        |
|                 |         a      |                         |        |
|                 |         couple |                         |        |
|                 |         of     |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |     attributes |                         |        |
|                 |         that   |                         |        |
|                 |         were   |                         |        |
|                 |         not a  |                         |        |
|                 |         part   |                         |        |
|                 |         of     |                         |        |
|                 |         HL7.   |                         |        |
|                 |         These  |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |     attributes |                         |        |
|                 |         were   |                         |        |
|                 |         added  |                         |        |
|                 |         to     |                         |        |
|                 |         HL7.   |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |     -   When   |                         |        |
|                 |         you    |                         |        |
|                 |         want   |                         |        |
|                 |         to     |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |       prohibit |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |       optional |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        fields, |                         |        |
|                 |         you    |                         |        |
|                 |         can    |                         |        |
|                 |         run    |                         |        |
|                 |         into   |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |       problems |                         |        |
|                 |         if you |                         |        |
|                 |         are    |                         |        |
|                 |         not    |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |       careful. |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |     -   If you |                         |        |
|                 |         are    |                         |        |
|                 |         going  |                         |        |
|                 |         to     |                         |        |
|                 |         have   |                         |        |
|                 |         an     |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |   association, |                         |        |
|                 |         the    |                         |        |
|                 |         class  |                         |        |
|                 |         would  |                         |        |
|                 |         have   |                         |        |
|                 |         to be  |                         |        |
|                 |         put    |                         |        |
|                 |         into   |                         |        |
|                 |         the    |                         |        |
|                 |         model. |                         |        |
|                 |         At     |                         |        |
|                 |         this   |                         |        |
|                 |         point, |                         |        |
|                 |         you    |                         |        |
|                 |         would  |                         |        |
|                 |         then   |                         |        |
|                 |         put it |                         |        |
|                 |         into   |                         |        |
|                 |         your   |                         |        |
|                 |         model, |                         |        |
|                 |         and    |                         |        |
|                 |         when   |                         |        |
|                 |         it     |                         |        |
|                 |         loads, |                         |        |
|                 |         it     |                         |        |
|                 |         will   |                         |        |
|                 |         go the |                         |        |
|                 |         same   |                         |        |
|                 |         data   |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |       element. |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |     -   Does   |                         |        |
|                 |         the    |                         |        |
|                 |         UML    |                         |        |
|                 |         system |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        support |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        complex |                         |        |
|                 |         data   |                         |        |
|                 |         types? |                         |        |
|                 |         Yes.   |                         |        |
|                 |         We     |                         |        |
|                 |         could  |                         |        |
|                 |         then   |                         |        |
|                 |         agree  |                         |        |
|                 |         on a   |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |      standards |                         |        |
|                 |         based  |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |       modeling |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |      language. |                         |        |
|                 |         The    |                         |        |
|                 |         notion |                         |        |
|                 |         of     |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |  harmonization |                         |        |
|                 |         is     |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |      critical. |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |    -   Whether |                         |        |
|                 |         they   |                         |        |
|                 |         are    |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        complex |                         |        |
|                 |         data   |                         |        |
|                 |         types, |                         |        |
|                 |         or     |                         |        |
|                 |         mini   |                         |        |
|                 |         data   |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |      elements, |                         |        |
|                 |         should |                         |        |
|                 |         we try |                         |        |
|                 |         not to |                         |        |
|                 |         just   |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |      reference |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |    everything? |                         |        |
|                 |         This   |                         |        |
|                 |         is     |                         |        |
|                 |         where  |                         |        |
|                 |         HL7    |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        differs |                         |        |
|                 |         from   |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        caCORE. |                         |        |
|                 |         How    |                         |        |
|                 |         far    |                         |        |
|                 |         should |                         |        |
|                 |         we go  |                         |        |
|                 |         in     |                         |        |
|                 |         fusing |                         |        |
|                 |         the    |                         |        |
|                 |         very   |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        similar |                         |        |
|                 |         but    |                         |        |
|                 |         quite  |                         |        |
|                 |         not    |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |      identical |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |     structures |                         |        |
|                 |         we are |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        dealing |                         |        |
|                 |         with?  |                         |        |
|                 |         The    |                         |        |
|                 |         HL7    |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |      datatypes |                         |        |
|                 |         that   |                         |        |
|                 |         people |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |      sometimes |                         |        |
|                 |         lose   |                         |        |
|                 |         track  |                         |        |
|                 |         of is  |                         |        |
|                 |         when   |                         |        |
|                 |         we are |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        dealing |                         |        |
|                 |         with a |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |       semantic |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 | specification. |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |     -   Can we |                         |        |
|                 |         use an |                         |        |
|                 |         opaque |                         |        |
|                 |         person |                         |        |
|                 |         name?  |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |     -   Can we |                         |        |
|                 |         have   |                         |        |
|                 |         this   |                         |        |
|                 |         type   |                         |        |
|                 |         called |                         |        |
|                 |         person |                         |        |
|                 |         name,  |                         |        |
|                 |         and    |                         |        |
|                 |         not    |                         |        |
|                 |         bother |                         |        |
|                 |         to     |                         |        |
|                 |         just   |                         |        |
|                 |         import |                         |        |
|                 |         all of |                         |        |
|                 |         the    |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |      structure |                         |        |
|                 |         of     |                         |        |
|                 |         person |                         |        |
|                 |         name?  |                         |        |
|                 |         Yes,   |                         |        |
|                 |         it is  |                         |        |
|                 |         a HL7  |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |     continuum. |                         |        |
|                 |         Person |                         |        |
|                 |         name   |                         |        |
|                 |         is a   |                         |        |
|                 |         data   |                         |        |
|                 |         type.  |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |     -   Do we  |                         |        |
|                 |         need   |                         |        |
|                 |         to go  |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        further |                         |        |
|                 |         with   |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        complex |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        classes |                         |        |
|                 |         as     |                         |        |
|                 |         data   |                         |        |
|                 |         types  |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |    (java-lined |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        string) |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        without |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |    necessarily |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |   representing |                         |        |
|                 |         them   |                         |        |
|                 |         in all |                         |        |
|                 |         of     |                         |        |
|                 |         their  |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |      richness? |                         |        |
|                 |         We can |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        support |                         |        |
|                 |         this.  |                         |        |
|                 |         This   |                         |        |
|                 |         would  |                         |        |
|                 |         then   |                         |        |
|                 |         punt   |                         |        |
|                 |         the    |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 | responsibility |                         |        |
|                 |         to the |                         |        |
|                 |         end    |                         |        |
|                 |         user.  |                         |        |
|                 |         They   |                         |        |
|                 |         would  |                         |        |
|                 |         have   |                         |        |
|                 |         to be  |                         |        |
|                 |         aware  |                         |        |
|                 |         of     |                         |        |
|                 |         what   |                         |        |
|                 |         they   |                         |        |
|                 |         were   |                         |        |
|                 |         doing. |                         |        |
|                 |         It is  |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |      something |                         |        |
|                 |         we     |                         |        |
|                 |         could  |                         |        |
|                 |         do as  |                         |        |
|                 |         an     |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        interim |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |      solution. |                         |        |
|                 |         It is  |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |      important |                         |        |
|                 |         to     |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |       annotate |                         |        |
|                 |         the    |                         |        |
|                 |         data   |                         |        |
|                 |         type.  |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 | -   *          |                         |        |
|                 | *Compatibility |                         |        |
|                 |     Review     |                         |        |
|                 |     Process**  |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 | -   Submission |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |       packages |                         |        |
|                 |         will   |                         |        |
|                 |         be     |                         |        |
|                 |         found  |                         |        |
|                 |         on the |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |       website. |                         |        |
|                 |         George |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |    Komatsoulis |                         |        |
|                 |         says   |                         |        |
|                 |         that   |                         |        |
|                 |         he is  |                         |        |
|                 |         very   |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |       thankful |                         |        |
|                 |         for    |                         |        |
|                 |         the    |                         |        |
|                 |         people |                         |        |
|                 |         who    |                         |        |
|                 |         are    |                         |        |
|                 |         doing  |                         |        |
|                 |         this   |                         |        |
|                 |         in     |                         |        |
|                 | teroperability |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        review. |                         |        |
|                 |         He     |                         |        |
|                 |         really |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |    appreciates |                         |        |
|                 |         it.    |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |     -   Three  |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        issues: |                         |        |
|                 |         1 How  |                         |        |
|                 |         do you |                         |        |
|                 |         frame  |                         |        |
|                 |         the    |                         |        |
|                 |         issue  |                         |        |
|                 |         in set |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |      boundary. |                         |        |
|                 |         If the |                         |        |
|                 |         model  |                         |        |
|                 |         is     |                         |        |
|                 |         built  |                         |        |
|                 |         on a   |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        certain |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |  requirements, |                         |        |
|                 |         how do |                         |        |
|                 |         you    |                         |        |
|                 |         know   |                         |        |
|                 |         if it  |                         |        |
|                 |         is     |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |     common? 2. |                         |        |
|                 |         How do |                         |        |
|                 |         you    |                         |        |
|                 |         know   |                         |        |
|                 |         if     |                         |        |
|                 |         your   |                         |        |
|                 |         data   |                         |        |
|                 |         model  |                         |        |
|                 |         is     |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        clearly |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |       defined? |                         |        |
|                 |         What   |                         |        |
|                 |         is the |                         |        |
|                 |         c      |                         |        |
|                 | ommonality? 3. |                         |        |
|                 |         With   |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |    Proteomics, |                         |        |
|                 |         where  |                         |        |
|                 |         there  |                         |        |
|                 |         is a   |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        runtime |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |   environment, |                         |        |
|                 |         some   |                         |        |
|                 |         of the |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |       concepts |                         |        |
|                 |         are    |                         |        |
|                 |         not    |                         |        |
|                 |         the    |                         |        |
|                 |         same   |                         |        |
|                 |         set of |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |       comments |                         |        |
|                 |         that   |                         |        |
|                 |         EVS    |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |      typically |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |      provides. |                         |        |
|                 |         When   |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        mapping |                         |        |
|                 |         this   |                         |        |
|                 |         to     |                         |        |
|                 |         EVS,   |                         |        |
|                 |         the    |                         |        |
|                 |         class  |                         |        |
|                 |         is     |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        defined |                         |        |
|                 |         in the |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |       original |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |      document. |                         |        |
|                 |         It is  |                         |        |
|                 |         mapped |                         |        |
|                 |         to an  |                         |        |
|                 |         EVS    |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |       comment. |                         |        |
|                 |         It     |                         |        |
|                 |         poses  |                         |        |
|                 |         some   |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |     particular |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |      challenge |                         |        |
|                 |         for    |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |    application |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |       specific |                         |        |
|                 |         terms. |                         |        |
|                 |         XML is |                         |        |
|                 |         the    |                         |        |
|                 |         format |                         |        |
|                 |         we     |                         |        |
|                 |         should |                         |        |
|                 |         use.   |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |     -   David  |                         |        |
|                 |         Aronow |                         |        |
|                 |         asked  |                         |        |
|                 |         when   |                         |        |
|                 |         people |                         |        |
|                 |         would  |                         |        |
|                 |         find   |                         |        |
|                 |         the    |                         |        |
|                 |         time   |                         |        |
|                 |         to do  |                         |        |
|                 |         this   |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        review? |                         |        |
|                 |         He     |                         |        |
|                 |         says   |                         |        |
|                 |         the    |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        process |                         |        |
|                 |         right  |                         |        |
|                 |         now    |                         |        |
|                 |         might  |                         |        |
|                 |         not be |                         |        |
|                 |         able   |                         |        |
|                 |         to     |                         |        |
|                 |         scale. |                         |        |
|                 |         He     |                         |        |
|                 |         also   |                         |        |
|                 |         asked  |                         |        |
|                 |         what   |                         |        |
|                 |         tools  |                         |        |
|                 |         can be |                         |        |
|                 |         used   |                         |        |
|                 |         to     |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |       automate |                         |        |
|                 |         some   |                         |        |
|                 |         of the |                         |        |
|                 |         more   |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |    automatable |                         |        |
|                 |         parts  |                         |        |
|                 |         of the |                         |        |
|                 |         review |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |       process. |                         |        |
|                 |         It has |                         |        |
|                 |         been   |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |      suggested |                         |        |
|                 |         that   |                         |        |
|                 |         the    |                         |        |
|                 |         SIW    |                         |        |
|                 |         may be |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |      something |                         |        |
|                 |         we     |                         |        |
|                 |         could  |                         |        |
|                 |         use.   |                         |        |
|                 |         It     |                         |        |
|                 |         would  |                         |        |
|                 |         speed  |                         |        |
|                 |         the    |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        process |                         |        |
|                 |         up by  |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        already |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        knowing |                         |        |
|                 |         what   |                         |        |
|                 |         has    |                         |        |
|                 |         been   |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |     validated. |                         |        |
|                 |         With   |                         |        |
|                 |         the    |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |    granularity |                         |        |
|                 |         of     |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        review, |                         |        |
|                 |         the    |                         |        |
|                 |         slice  |                         |        |
|                 |         you    |                         |        |
|                 |         take   |                         |        |
|                 |         could  |                         |        |
|                 |         easily |                         |        |
|                 |         be at  |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |      different |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        levels. |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |     -   We     |                         |        |
|                 |         were   |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        looking |                         |        |
|                 |         at a   |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |     submission |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        package |                         |        |
|                 |         for an |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |    application |                         |        |
|                 |         that   |                         |        |
|                 |         was    |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |       actually |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        already |                         |        |
|                 |         on the |                         |        |
|                 |         grid.  |                         |        |
|                 |         There  |                         |        |
|                 |         is a   |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |     disconnect |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        between |                         |        |
|                 |         what   |                         |        |
|                 |         we     |                         |        |
|                 |         review |                         |        |
|                 |         and    |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |      something |                         |        |
|                 |         that   |                         |        |
|                 |         we     |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        clearly |                         |        |
|                 |         would  |                         |        |
|                 |         not    |                         |        |
|                 |         roll   |                         |        |
|                 |         off of |                         |        |
|                 |         the    |                         |        |
|                 |         grid.  |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |     -   How we |                         |        |
|                 |         reuse  |                         |        |
|                 |         CDE's  |                         |        |
|                 |         needs  |                         |        |
|                 |         to be  |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |       checked. |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        Mapping |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        between |                         |        |
|                 |         UML    |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |       concepts |                         |        |
|                 |         and    |                         |        |
|                 |         those  |                         |        |
|                 |         in     |                         |        |
|                 |         caDSR  |                         |        |
|                 |         needs  |                         |        |
|                 |         to be  |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |    determined. |                         |        |
|                 |         This   |                         |        |
|                 |         is     |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |       somewhat |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |      addressed |                         |        |
|                 |         in the |                         |        |
|                 |         SIW.   |                         |        |
|                 |         That   |                         |        |
|                 |         is     |                         |        |
|                 |         pretty |                         |        |
|                 |         much   |                         |        |
|                 |         it.    |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |     -   Where  |                         |        |
|                 |         the    |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |       boundary |                         |        |
|                 |         is for |                         |        |
|                 |         the    |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |    correctness |                         |        |
|                 |         of the |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        mapping |                         |        |
|                 |         needs  |                         |        |
|                 |         to be  |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |      verified. |                         |        |
|                 |         VCDE   |                         |        |
|                 |         has to |                         |        |
|                 |         look   |                         |        |
|                 |         at     |                         |        |
|                 |         these  |                         |        |
|                 |         issues |                         |        |
|                 |         and    |                         |        |
|                 |         the    |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        mapping |                         |        |
|                 |         has to |                         |        |
|                 |         be     |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |      reviewed. |                         |        |
|                 |         There  |                         |        |
|                 |         should |                         |        |
|                 |         be a   |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |      localized |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        quality |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |      assurance |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |       process. |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |  -   Regarding |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |       mapping, |                         |        |
|                 |         it was |                         |        |
|                 |         very   |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |   interesting, |                         |        |
|                 |         when   |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        looking |                         |        |
|                 |         at a   |                         |        |
|                 |         UML    |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |    definition, |                         |        |
|                 |         every  |                         |        |
|                 |         one is |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |    application |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |      specific. |                         |        |
|                 |         When   |                         |        |
|                 |         using  |                         |        |
|                 |         the    |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |     annotator, |                         |        |
|                 |         the    |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |    definitions |                         |        |
|                 |         were   |                         |        |
|                 |         not    |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |      specific. |                         |        |
|                 |         So,    |                         |        |
|                 |         after  |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |     discussing |                         |        |
|                 |         this   |                         |        |
|                 |         with   |                         |        |
|                 |         EVS    |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        people, |                         |        |
|                 |         we     |                         |        |
|                 |         just   |                         |        |
|                 |         used   |                         |        |
|                 |         the    |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |    definitions |                         |        |
|                 |         they   |                         |        |
|                 |         gave   |                         |        |
|                 |         us.    |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |     -   Both   |                         |        |
|                 |         EVS    |                         |        |
|                 |         and    |                         |        |
|                 |         the    |                         |        |
|                 |         NCI    |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |      Thesaurus |                         |        |
|                 |         have   |                         |        |
|                 |         aims   |                         |        |
|                 |         to     |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        achieve |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |     scientific |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |       clinical |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |     precision. |                         |        |
|                 |         It is  |                         |        |
|                 |         not    |                         |        |
|                 |         meant  |                         |        |
|                 |         to be  |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |      complete. |                         |        |
|                 |         Is the |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |    terminology |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        support |                         |        |
|                 |         there? |                         |        |
|                 |         No, so |                         |        |
|                 |         we     |                         |        |
|                 |         should |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        support |                         |        |
|                 |         it.    |                         |        |
|                 |         Worked |                         |        |
|                 |         with   |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        Rebecca |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        Crowley |                         |        |
|                 |         to     |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |       identify |                         |        |
|                 |         issues |                         |        |
|                 |         of     |                         |        |
|                 |         both   |                         |        |
|                 |         the    |                         |        |
|                 |         model  |                         |        |
|                 |         and    |                         |        |
|                 |         the    |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |   terminology, |                         |        |
|                 |         which  |                         |        |
|                 |         maps   |                         |        |
|                 |         the    |                         |        |
|                 |         UML to |                         |        |
|                 |         the    |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |    vocabulary. |                         |        |
|                 |         This   |                         |        |
|                 |         is an  |                         |        |
|                 |         open   |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |       creative |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |       process. |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |     -   This   |                         |        |
|                 |         whole  |                         |        |
|                 |         issue  |                         |        |
|                 |         of     |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |      exactness |                         |        |
|                 |         of     |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |    terminology |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |       concepts |                         |        |
|                 |         has    |                         |        |
|                 |         three  |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |      different |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        layers, |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        because |                         |        |
|                 |         one    |                         |        |
|                 |         cannot |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        capture |                         |        |
|                 |         the    |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |       complete |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |      elaborate |                         |        |
|                 |         layer  |                         |        |
|                 |         for a  |                         |        |
|                 |         given  |                         |        |
|                 |         term.  |                         |        |
|                 |         We     |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |     definitely |                         |        |
|                 |         do     |                         |        |
|                 |         want   |                         |        |
|                 |         better |                         |        |
|                 |         words  |                         |        |
|                 |         from   |                         |        |
|                 |         the    |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |     vocabulary |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |      services, |                         |        |
|                 |         but    |                         |        |
|                 |         this   |                         |        |
|                 |         may    |                         |        |
|                 |         not be |                         |        |
|                 |         as     |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |    problematic |                         |        |
|                 |         as one |                         |        |
|                 |         might  |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |      initially |                         |        |
|                 |         think. |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |     -   It is  |                         |        |
|                 |         ok     |                         |        |
|                 |         that   |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |     everything |                         |        |
|                 |         is not |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |     completely |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |     synonymous |                         |        |
|                 |         all    |                         |        |
|                 |         the    |                         |        |
|                 |         way    |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |       through. |                         |        |
|                 |         In     |                         |        |
|                 |         terms  |                         |        |
|                 |         of the |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        domain, |                         |        |
|                 |         and    |                         |        |
|                 |         then   |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |       worrying |                         |        |
|                 |         about  |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |       building |                         |        |
|                 |         real   |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |       systems, |                         |        |
|                 |         we are |                         |        |
|                 |         really |                         |        |
|                 |         doing  |                         |        |
|                 |         just   |                         |        |
|                 |         in     |                         |        |
|                 |         time   |                         |        |
|                 |         st     |                         |        |
|                 | andardization. |                         |        |
|                 |         The    |                         |        |
|                 |         NCI    |                         |        |
|                 |         has    |                         |        |
|                 |         r      |                         |        |
|                 | epresentatives |                         |        |
|                 |         from   |                         |        |
|                 |         all of |                         |        |
|                 |         the    |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |       domains, |                         |        |
|                 |         and it |                         |        |
|                 |         is the |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 | responsibility |                         |        |
|                 |         of the |                         |        |
|                 |         r      |                         |        |
|                 | epresentatives |                         |        |
|                 |         from   |                         |        |
|                 |         caBIG  |                         |        |
|                 |         to     |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |       leverage |                         |        |
|                 |         the    |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |     experience |                         |        |
|                 |         of     |                         |        |
|                 |         those  |                         |        |
|                 |         who    |                         |        |
|                 |         are    |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        outside |                         |        |
|                 |         of the |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |       project, |                         |        |
|                 |         and    |                         |        |
|                 |         should |                         |        |
|                 |         bring  |                         |        |
|                 |         the    |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |       products |                         |        |
|                 |         of     |                         |        |
|                 |         those  |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        efforts |                         |        |
|                 |         to the |                         |        |
|                 |         caBIG  |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |       project. |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |     -   On the |                         |        |
|                 |         XML    |                         |        |
|                 |         r      |                         |        |
|                 | epresentation, |                         |        |
|                 |         it is  |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        similar |                         |        |
|                 |         to the |                         |        |
|                 |         HL7    |                         |        |
|                 |         issue. |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |     -   In     |                         |        |
|                 |         terms  |                         |        |
|                 |         of     |                         |        |
|                 |         being  |                         |        |
|                 |         able   |                         |        |
|                 |         to     |                         |        |
|                 |         have   |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        experts |                         |        |
|                 |         and to |                         |        |
|                 |         be     |                         |        |
|                 |         able   |                         |        |
|                 |         to     |                         |        |
|                 |         make   |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |       comments |                         |        |
|                 |         and    |                         |        |
|                 |         have   |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |  documentation |                         |        |
|                 |         and    |                         |        |
|                 |         then   |                         |        |
|                 |         turn   |                         |        |
|                 |         them   |                         |        |
|                 |         in.    |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |       Comments |                         |        |
|                 |         should |                         |        |
|                 |         be     |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |      addressed |                         |        |
|                 |         and    |                         |        |
|                 |         then   |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        brought |                         |        |
|                 |         up.    |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |     -   What   |                         |        |
|                 |         tools? |                         |        |
|                 |         New    |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |       features |                         |        |
|                 |         on     |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |       existing |                         |        |
|                 |         tools? |                         |        |
|                 |         SIW -- |                         |        |
|                 |         is the |                         |        |
|                 |         good   |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |       starting |                         |        |
|                 |         place. |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        Getting |                         |        |
|                 |         that   |                         |        |
|                 |         well   |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        defined |                         |        |
|                 |         is     |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |      critical. |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |       Learning |                         |        |
|                 |         the    |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        process |                         |        |
|                 |         is     |                         |        |
|                 |         also   |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |     important. |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |     -   Reuse  |                         |        |
|                 |         is     |                         |        |
|                 |         going  |                         |        |
|                 |         to be  |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |      critical. |                         |        |
|                 |         We do  |                         |        |
|                 |         not    |                         |        |
|                 |         know   |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        exactly |                         |        |
|                 |         how to |                         |        |
|                 |         get    |                         |        |
|                 |         the    |                         |        |
|                 |         CDE's  |                         |        |
|                 |         out of |                         |        |
|                 |         the    |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        system. |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |     -   David  |                         |        |
|                 |         Aronow |                         |        |
|                 |         said   |                         |        |
|                 |         that a |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |      developer |                         |        |
|                 |         should |                         |        |
|                 |         look   |                         |        |
|                 |         at an  |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |      extracted |                         |        |
|                 |         list   |                         |        |
|                 |         of     |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |       specific |                         |        |
|                 |         items  |                         |        |
|                 |         in an  |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |      automated |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |       fashion. |                         |        |
|                 |         If an  |                         |        |
|                 |         item   |                         |        |
|                 |         is a   |                         |        |
|                 |         new    |                         |        |
|                 |         draft, |                         |        |
|                 |         a      |                         |        |
|                 |         lookup |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        against |                         |        |
|                 |         caDSR, |                         |        |
|                 |         there  |                         |        |
|                 |         might  |                         |        |
|                 |         be a   |                         |        |
|                 |         close  |                         |        |
|                 |         fit    |                         |        |
|                 |         that   |                         |        |
|                 |         should |                         |        |
|                 |         be     |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |    considered. |                         |        |
|                 |         We     |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |     understand |                         |        |
|                 |         at     |                         |        |
|                 |         this   |                         |        |
|                 |         stage, |                         |        |
|                 |         that   |                         |        |
|                 |         we     |                         |        |
|                 |         have a |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |       standard |                         |        |
|                 |         that   |                         |        |
|                 |         has    |                         |        |
|                 |         not    |                         |        |
|                 |         been   |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |    implemented |                         |        |
|                 |         for a  |                         |        |
|                 |         given  |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        reason. |                         |        |
|                 |         Many   |                         |        |
|                 |         items  |                         |        |
|                 |         on a   |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |      checklist |                         |        |
|                 |         could  |                         |        |
|                 |         be     |                         |        |
|                 |         ported |                         |        |
|                 |         over   |                         |        |
|                 |         by     |                         |        |
|                 |         Excel. |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |     -   Every  |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |      checklist |                         |        |
|                 |         needs  |                         |        |
|                 |         to be  |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        printed |                         |        |
|                 |         up for |                         |        |
|                 |         every  |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        mentor. |                         |        |
|                 |         Every  |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |      checklist |                         |        |
|                 |         should |                         |        |
|                 |         be     |                         |        |
|                 |         given  |                         |        |
|                 |         to     |                         |        |
|                 |         every  |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |      developer |                         |        |
|                 |         team.  |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        Another |                         |        |
|                 |         tool   |                         |        |
|                 |         or     |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        feature |                         |        |
|                 |         that   |                         |        |
|                 |         would  |                         |        |
|                 |         have   |                         |        |
|                 |         helped |                         |        |
|                 |         the    |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        process |                         |        |
|                 |         is a   |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        central |                         |        |
|                 |         value  |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        domain. |                         |        |
|                 |         This   |                         |        |
|                 |         would  |                         |        |
|                 |         reduce |                         |        |
|                 |         the    |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |     complexity |                         |        |
|                 |         of the |                         |        |
|                 |         domain |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |       package. |                         |        |
|                 |         This   |                         |        |
|                 |         would  |                         |        |
|                 |         also   |                         |        |
|                 |         move   |                         |        |
|                 |         the    |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        process |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |       forward. |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |     -   When   |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        looking |                         |        |
|                 |         at     |                         |        |
|                 |         what   |                         |        |
|                 |         was    |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |       proposed |                         |        |
|                 |         in the |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |       package, |                         |        |
|                 |         how do |                         |        |
|                 |         you    |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |      determine |                         |        |
|                 |         what   |                         |        |
|                 |         other  |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |   applications |                         |        |
|                 |         are    |                         |        |
|                 |         using  |                         |        |
|                 |         the    |                         |        |
|                 |         same   |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        concept |                         |        |
|                 |         code   |                         |        |
|                 |         and    |                         |        |
|                 |         the    |                         |        |
|                 |         same   |                         |        |
|                 |         CDE?   |                         |        |
|                 |         If it  |                         |        |
|                 |         is a   |                         |        |
|                 |         CDE,   |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |      alternate |                         |        |
|                 |         apps   |                         |        |
|                 |         using  |                         |        |
|                 |         the    |                         |        |
|                 |         CDE    |                         |        |
|                 |         would  |                         |        |
|                 |         be     |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        listed. |                         |        |
|                 |         One    |                         |        |
|                 |         cannot |                         |        |
|                 |         search |                         |        |
|                 |         on     |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        concept |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |    properties. |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |     -   What   |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |  functionality |                         |        |
|                 |         is     |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        covered |                         |        |
|                 |         by the |                         |        |
|                 |         CDE    |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |       browser? |                         |        |
|                 |         The    |                         |        |
|                 |         next   |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        release |                         |        |
|                 |         of the |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        browser |                         |        |
|                 |         will   |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        explain |                         |        |
|                 |         things |                         |        |
|                 |         on the |                         |        |
|                 |         model  |                         |        |
|                 |         level. |                         |        |
|                 |         In the |                         |        |
|                 |         model  |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |    development |                         |        |
|                 |         this   |                         |        |
|                 |         could  |                         |        |
|                 |         be     |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |      reviewed. |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |     -   Doug   |                         |        |
|                 |         said   |                         |        |
|                 |         that   |                         |        |
|                 |         all of |                         |        |
|                 |         the    |                         |        |
|                 |         caDSR  |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |       elements |                         |        |
|                 |         could  |                         |        |
|                 |         be     |                         |        |
|                 |         pulled |                         |        |
|                 |         out.   |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 | -   **Report   |                         |        |
|                 |     out from   |                         |        |
|                 |     Breakout   |                         |        |
|                 |     Sessions** |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |     -          |                         |        |
|                 |  **RProteomics |                         |        |
|                 |         --**   |                         |        |
|                 |         There  |                         |        |
|                 |         are    |                         |        |
|                 |         grid   |                         |        |
|                 |         level  |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        service |                         |        |
|                 |         data   |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |      elements. |                         |        |
|                 |         They   |                         |        |
|                 |         are    |                         |        |
|                 |         not    |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |      reviewing |                         |        |
|                 |         the    |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |       metadata |                         |        |
|                 |         of     |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        service |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |      elements. |                         |        |
|                 |         Some   |                         |        |
|                 |         of     |                         |        |
|                 |         these  |                         |        |
|                 |         should |                         |        |
|                 |         be     |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |    parameters. |                         |        |
|                 |         How    |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |      annotated |                         |        |
|                 |         they   |                         |        |
|                 |         should |                         |        |
|                 |         be is  |                         |        |
|                 |         based  |                         |        |
|                 |         upon   |                         |        |
|                 |         the    |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        content |                         |        |
|                 |         level. |                         |        |
|                 |         How    |                         |        |
|                 |         does   |                         |        |
|                 |         one    |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        declare |                         |        |
|                 |         and    |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |      advertise |                         |        |
|                 |         the    |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |     parameters |                         |        |
|                 |         of an  |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |     analytical |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |       service? |                         |        |
|                 |         This   |                         |        |
|                 |         needs  |                         |        |
|                 |         to be  |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |      discussed |                         |        |
|                 |         more   |                         |        |
|                 |         in the |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        future. |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |    -   **PIR** |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |     -   A PIR  |                         |        |
|                 |         review |                         |        |
|                 |         group  |                         |        |
|                 |         needs  |                         |        |
|                 |         to be  |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        formed. |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |  -   **Genomic |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |    Identifiers |                         |        |
|                 |         --**   |                         |        |
|                 |         The    |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |       strategy |                         |        |
|                 |         is     |                         |        |
|                 |         that   |                         |        |
|                 |         we     |                         |        |
|                 |         have   |                         |        |
|                 |         to     |                         |        |
|                 |         create |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |     guidelines |                         |        |
|                 |         for    |                         |        |
|                 |         how    |                         |        |
|                 |         the    |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |       modeling |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |       language |                         |        |
|                 |         should |                         |        |
|                 |         be     |                         |        |
|                 |         used.  |                         |        |
|                 |         If an  |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |     identifier |                         |        |
|                 |         is     |                         |        |
|                 |         going  |                         |        |
|                 |         to use |                         |        |
|                 |         an ID, |                         |        |
|                 |         then   |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        classes |                         |        |
|                 |         should |                         |        |
|                 |         be     |                         |        |
|                 |         used   |                         |        |
|                 |         for    |                         |        |
|                 |         each   |                         |        |
|                 |         type   |                         |        |
|                 |         of ID. |                         |        |
|                 |         This   |                         |        |
|                 |         is     |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |     reasonable |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        because |                         |        |
|                 |         this   |                         |        |
|                 |         is how |                         |        |
|                 |         many   |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |      developer |                         |        |
|                 |         groups |                         |        |
|                 |         inside |                         |        |
|                 |         of     |                         |        |
|                 |         ICR.   |                         |        |
|                 |         Next   |                         |        |
|                 |         step   |                         |        |
|                 |         is to  |                         |        |
|                 |         do     |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |       research |                         |        |
|                 |         within |                         |        |
|                 |         and    |                         |        |
|                 |         then   |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        outside |                         |        |
|                 |         of     |                         |        |
|                 |         caBIG. |                         |        |
|                 |         When   |                         |        |
|                 |         will   |                         |        |
|                 |         we     |                         |        |
|                 |         have   |                         |        |
|                 |         the    |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 | recommendation |                         |        |
|                 |         to the |                         |        |
|                 |         VCDE   |                         |        |
|                 |         WS on  |                         |        |
|                 |         12/1.  |                         |        |
|                 |         We     |                         |        |
|                 |         want   |                         |        |
|                 |         to     |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        achieve |                         |        |
|                 |         in     |                         |        |
|                 | teroperability |                         |        |
|                 |         within |                         |        |
|                 |         caBIG, |                         |        |
|                 |         while  |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        keeping |                         |        |
|                 |         an eye |                         |        |
|                 |         on     |                         |        |
|                 |         what   |                         |        |
|                 |         is     |                         |        |
|                 |         going  |                         |        |
|                 |         on in  |                         |        |
|                 |         the    |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        outside |                         |        |
|                 |         world  |                         |        |
|                 |         as     |                         |        |
|                 |         well.  |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |     -   **Age  |                         |        |
|                 |         --**   |                         |        |
|                 |         Date   |                         |        |
|                 |         is     |                         |        |
|                 |         going  |                         |        |
|                 |         to be  |                         |        |
|                 |         held   |                         |        |
|                 |         in the |                         |        |
|                 |         date   |                         |        |
|                 |         format |                         |        |
|                 |         that   |                         |        |
|                 |         is     |                         |        |
|                 |         used   |                         |        |
|                 |         by the |                         |        |
|                 |         HL7.   |                         |        |
|                 |         It     |                         |        |
|                 |         does   |                         |        |
|                 |         not    |                         |        |
|                 |         match  |                         |        |
|                 |         the    |                         |        |
|                 |         W3C    |                         |        |
|                 |         r      |                         |        |
|                 | ecommendation, |                         |        |
|                 |         but    |                         |        |
|                 |         the    |                         |        |
|                 |         HL7    |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |       standard |                         |        |
|                 |         would  |                         |        |
|                 |         likely |                         |        |
|                 |         allow  |                         |        |
|                 |         for    |                         |        |
|                 |         more   |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 | compatibility. |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |     -   Have   |                         |        |
|                 |         you    |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        thought |                         |        |
|                 |         about  |                         |        |
|                 |         how to |                         |        |
|                 |         do a   |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        partial |                         |        |
|                 |         date?  |                         |        |
|                 |         We     |                         |        |
|                 |         follow |                         |        |
|                 |         the    |                         |        |
|                 |         HL7    |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |       standard |                         |        |
|                 |         for    |                         |        |
|                 |         how to |                         |        |
|                 |         handle |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |   incompletes. |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 | -   **caAERS   |                         |        |
|                 |     Modeling** |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |     -          |                         |        |
|                 |  Harmonization |                         |        |
|                 |         with   |                         |        |
|                 |         caAERS |                         |        |
|                 |         will   |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |       probably |                         |        |
|                 |         not be |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |       scalable |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        because |                         |        |
|                 |         it     |                         |        |
|                 |         will   |                         |        |
|                 |         be so  |                         |        |
|                 |         hands  |                         |        |
|                 |         on.    |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 | -   **Best     |                         |        |
|                 |     Practices  |                         |        |
|                 |     SIG**      |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |     -   Who    |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        decides |                         |        |
|                 |         which  |                         |        |
|                 |         best   |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |      practices |                         |        |
|                 |         are    |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |      required? |                         |        |
|                 |         This   |                         |        |
|                 |         is a   |                         |        |
|                 |         group  |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |       decision |                         |        |
|                 |         by the |                         |        |
|                 |         VCDE   |                         |        |
|                 |         and    |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |   Architecture |                         |        |
|                 |         groups |                         |        |
|                 |         after  |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        vetting |                         |        |
|                 |         by the |                         |        |
|                 |         Best   |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |      Practices |                         |        |
|                 |         SIG.   |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |     -   The    |                         |        |
|                 |         base   |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |       process: |                         |        |
|                 |         Work   |                         |        |
|                 |         on the |                         |        |
|                 |         SOP,   |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |      circulate |                         |        |
|                 |         around |                         |        |
|                 |         the    |                         |        |
|                 |         SIG,   |                         |        |
|                 |         then   |                         |        |
|                 |         pass   |                         |        |
|                 |         it on  |                         |        |
|                 |         to the |                         |        |
|                 |         two    |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |     workspaces |                         |        |
|                 |         for    |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |      approval. |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 | -   **Data     |                         |        |
|                 |     Standards  |                         |        |
|                 |     to         |                         |        |
|                 |     Consider** |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |     -   For    |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |      standards |                         |        |
|                 |         such   |                         |        |
|                 |         as     |                         |        |
|                 |         XML,   |                         |        |
|                 |         etc.,  |                         |        |
|                 |         in     |                         |        |
|                 |         caGrid |                         |        |
|                 |         0.5,   |                         |        |
|                 |         we     |                         |        |
|                 |         need   |                         |        |
|                 |         to     |                         |        |
|                 |         change |                         |        |
|                 |         name   |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        spaces. |                         |        |
|                 |         This   |                         |        |
|                 |         has    |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |      potential |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |   implications |                         |        |
|                 |         on a   |                         |        |
|                 |         caBIG  |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |      standard. |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |     -   Have   |                         |        |
|                 |         you    |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |     considered |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        working |                         |        |
|                 |         with   |                         |        |
|                 |         the    |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |   Architecture |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |     Workspace? |                         |        |
|                 |         No, it |                         |        |
|                 |         has    |                         |        |
|                 |         not    |                         |        |
|                 |         been   |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |      developed |                         |        |
|                 |         to     |                         |        |
|                 |         this   |                         |        |
|                 |         level  |                         |        |
|                 |         of     |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        detail. |                         |        |
|                 |         At     |                         |        |
|                 |         this   |                         |        |
|                 |         point, |                         |        |
|                 |         we     |                         |        |
|                 |         need   |                         |        |
|                 |         to     |                         |        |
|                 |         have   |                         |        |
|                 |         an     |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |   Architecture |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        Liaison |                         |        |
|                 |         when   |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |      preparing |                         |        |
|                 |         this   |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |      standard. |                         |        |
|                 |         If     |                         |        |
|                 |         there  |                         |        |
|                 |         are    |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |  architectural |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 | considerations |                         |        |
|                 |         for    |                         |        |
|                 |         how we |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |       maintain |                         |        |
|                 |         the    |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |      standard, |                         |        |
|                 |         we     |                         |        |
|                 |         need   |                         |        |
|                 |         to     |                         |        |
|                 |         ensure |                         |        |
|                 |         we     |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        capture |                         |        |
|                 |         this.  |                         |        |
|                 |         Data   |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |      standards |                         |        |
|                 |         at the |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |      attribute |                         |        |
|                 |         level  |                         |        |
|                 |         may    |                         |        |
|                 |         not be |                         |        |
|                 |         an     |                         |        |
|                 |         issue  |                         |        |
|                 |         for    |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |   architecture |                         |        |
|                 |         to     |                         |        |
|                 |         have   |                         |        |
|                 |         to     |                         |        |
|                 |         deal   |                         |        |
|                 |         with.  |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |     -   How do |                         |        |
|                 |         we     |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |       document |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        methods |                         |        |
|                 |         in the |                         |        |
|                 |         review |                         |        |
|                 |         model  |                         |        |
|                 |         of     |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |   rproteomics? |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |      Reviewing |                         |        |
|                 |         the    |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |      standards |                         |        |
|                 |         and    |                         |        |
|                 |         then   |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |      providing |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |      feedback, |                         |        |
|                 |         which  |                         |        |
|                 |         thus   |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |      increases |                         |        |
|                 |         the    |                         |        |
|                 |         value  |                         |        |
|                 |         of the |                         |        |
|                 |         data   |                         |        |
|                 |         that   |                         |        |
|                 |         is     |                         |        |
|                 |         held   |                         |        |
|                 |         by the |                         |        |
|                 |         NCI.   |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 | -   **Closing  |                         |        |
|                 |     Remarks**  |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |     -   What   |                         |        |
|                 |         do we  |                         |        |
|                 |         do if  |                         |        |
|                 |         a      |                         |        |
|                 |         number |                         |        |
|                 |         of     |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |     commercial |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |       entities |                         |        |
|                 |         want   |                         |        |
|                 |         to     |                         |        |
|                 |         become |                         |        |
|                 |         caBIG  |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |     certified? |                         |        |
|                 |         We     |                         |        |
|                 |         would  |                         |        |
|                 |         get an |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |    accrediting |                         |        |
|                 |         body   |                         |        |
|                 |         to be  |                         |        |
|                 |         place  |                         |        |
|                 |         to     |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |      "certify" |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |  applications. |                         |        |
|                 |         As     |                         |        |
|                 |         there  |                         |        |
|                 |         are    |                         |        |
|                 |         more   |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |   applications |                         |        |
|                 |         on the |                         |        |
|                 |         Grid,  |                         |        |
|                 |         there  |                         |        |
|                 |         will   |                         |        |
|                 |         be a   |                         |        |
|                 |         means  |                         |        |
|                 |         by     |                         |        |
|                 |         which  |                         |        |
|                 |         people |                         |        |
|                 |         would  |                         |        |
|                 |         adopt  |                         |        |
|                 |         the    |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |      software. |                         |        |
|                 |         caBIG  |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |     compatible |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        tooling |                         |        |
|                 |         will   |                         |        |
|                 |         need   |                         |        |
|                 |         to be  |                         |        |
|                 |         used   |                         |        |
|                 |         at     |                         |        |
|                 |         some   |                         |        |
|                 |         point, |                         |        |
|                 |         but we |                         |        |
|                 |         will   |                         |        |
|                 |         not    |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        dictate |                         |        |
|                 |         this   |                         |        |
|                 |         to     |                         |        |
|                 |         users  |                         |        |
|                 |         at a   |                         |        |
|                 |         given  |                         |        |
|                 |         cancer |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        center. |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |     -   Until  |                         |        |
|                 |         we get |                         |        |
|                 |         a more |                         |        |
|                 |         scaled |                         |        |
|                 |         up     |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |  certification |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |       process, |                         |        |
|                 |         is     |                         |        |
|                 |         there  |                         |        |
|                 |         any    |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        thought |                         |        |
|                 |         of     |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        getting |                         |        |
|                 |         more   |                         |        |
|                 |         people |                         |        |
|                 |         to the |                         |        |
|                 |         VCDE   |                         |        |
|                 |         WS?    |                         |        |
|                 |         Yes.   |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |     -   Will   |                         |        |
|                 |         there  |                         |        |
|                 |         be a   |                         |        |
|                 |         caBIG  |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |       friendly |                         |        |
|                 |         vendor |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |      interface |                         |        |
|                 |         with   |                         |        |
|                 |         the    |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        system? |                         |        |
|                 |         Yes,   |                         |        |
|                 |         at     |                         |        |
|                 |         some   |                         |        |
|                 |         point  |                         |        |
|                 |         we     |                         |        |
|                 |         will   |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        develop |                         |        |
|                 |         some   |                         |        |
|                 |         type   |                         |        |
|                 |         of a   |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        wrapper |                         |        |
|                 |         that   |                         |        |
|                 |         is     |                         |        |
|                 |         caBIG  |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |    compatible. |                         |        |
|                 |         When   |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        coupled |                         |        |
|                 |         with   |                         |        |
|                 |         the    |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        system, |                         |        |
|                 |         they   |                         |        |
|                 |         could  |                         |        |
|                 |         claim  |                         |        |
|                 |         to be  |                         |        |
|                 |         caBIG  |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |    compatible. |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |     -   Is     |                         |        |
|                 |         there  |                         |        |
|                 |         a link |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        between |                         |        |
|                 |         the    |                         |        |
|                 |         NIH    |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |        roadmap |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |     activities |                         |        |
|                 |         and    |                         |        |
|                 |         caBIG? |                         |        |
|                 |         There  |                         |        |
|                 |         are    |                         |        |
|                 |         many   |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |       programs |                         |        |
|                 |         in the |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |       roadmap. |                         |        |
|                 |         Some   |                         |        |
|                 |         of     |                         |        |
|                 |         those  |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |     activities |                         |        |
|                 |         are    |                         |        |
|                 |                |                         |        |
|                 |   intersecting |                         |        |
|                 |         with   |                         |        |
|                 |         caBIG. |                         |        |
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