Meeting Minutes for the

Weather Applications Group Breakout Meeting

September 21, 2004

The September 21, 2004 Weather Applications Workgroup (WAWG) breakout
meeting was held with the Collaborative Traffic Flow Management (CTFM)
meeting at the Northrop Grumman, Fairlakes facility. Briefings and the
Action Item database are available as separate files to the minutes on
the CDM Weather Applications Workgroup web site @
<http://www.metronaviation.com/cdm/Workgroups/weather.html>.

Attendees:

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| 1 | Ch     | Daniel | NAV CANADA | 613.5   | CHRETID@navcanada.ca  |
| . | retien |        |            | 63.5607 |                       |
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| 2 | Evans  | Jim    | MIT/LL     | 781.9   | <Jime@ll.mit.edu>     |
| . |        |        |            | 81.7433 |                       |
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| 3 | Fahey  | Tom    | NWA        | 612.7   | [Tom.fahey@nwa.com](  |
| . |        |        |            | 26.3256 | ../Tom.fahey@nwa.com) |
|   |        |        |            |         |                       |
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| 4 | Fox    | Scott  | ATCSCC     | 703.9   | Scott.fox@faa.gov     |
| . |        |        |            | 04.4443 |                       |
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| 5 | Golib  | Mike   | Volpe      | 617.4   | [golibersuch@vo       |
| . | ersuch |        |            | 94.2443 | lpe.dot.gov](../golib |
|   |        |        |            |         | ersuch@volpe.dot.gov) |
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| 6 | Hub    | Mark   | Mitre /    | 703.8   | <mwhuber@mitre.org>   |
| . | erdeau |        | CAASD      | 33.5906 |                       |
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| 7 | M      | Luc    | MSC/CMAC-E | 514.4   | Luc.mercier@ec.gc.ca  |
| . | ercier |        |            | 96.5225 |                       |
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| 8 | Meyer  | Darin  | MIT        | 407.8   | <darinm@ll.mit.edu>   |
| . |        |        | Lincoln    | 55.3593 |                       |
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| 9 | Mullen | Ken    | TAC2       | 202.3   | <k                    |
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| 1 | Pfle   | Mike   | Lock       | 301.4   | <Mike                 |
| 0 | iderer |        | eed-Martin | 60.3392 | .pfleiderer@lmco.com> |
| . |        |        |            |         |                       |
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| 1 | P      | Mark   | Avmet      | 703.3   | <mphaneuf@avmet.com>  |
| 1 | haneuf |        |            | 51.5647 |                       |
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| 1 | Rod    | Dave   | ATCSCC     | 703.9   | <dav                  |
| 2 | enhuis |        |            | 25.3120 | id.rodenhuis@faa.gov> |
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| 1 | Rovito | Dino   | ARS-100    | 202.3   | [Di                   |
| 3 |        |        |            | 85.7718 | no.rovito@faa.gov](.. |
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| 1 | Sims   | Danny  | ATO-R      | 202.3   | [                     |
| 4 |        |        |            | 85.8932 | danny.sims@faa.gov](. |
| . |        |        |            |         | ./danny.sims@faa.gov) |
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| 1 | Szat   | John   | Chicago    | 773.9   | <John.sz              |
| 5 | kowski |        | Express    | 48.8034 | atkowski@iflyata.com> |
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| 1 | Wood   | Bryan  | ATA-40     | 703.3   | <Br                   |
| 6 |        |        |            | 26.3785 | yan.ctr.wood@faa.gov> |
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**Agenda:**

**Collaborative Traffic Flow Management (CTFM) Meeting**

**21-23 Sept 2004**

**Weather Applications Work Group (WAWG) Agenda**

Location: Northrop Grumman Facility, Fair Lakes VA

Hotel: Block of rooms at Hilton Garden Inn Fairfax were still avail when
I called 14 Sep.

For Full meeting Agenda go to:

<http://www.metronaviation.com/cdm/index.html>

Tues 21Sept. Work Group Meetings

Wed. 22Sept. General Session & Consensus Building

Thu. 23Sept. Review of Day2 General Meeting

WAWG Specifics

# 1PM --5PM Tuesday 21 September Room - Pending

> 1\. 2005 CCFP User needs Document

-   Requested attendance: Ken Mullen, CCFP Users from CDM general
    membership & all interested WAWG members.

> 2\. 2005 More Intuitive Graphics

-   Requested attendance: CDM Training Work Group Co-chairs & members,
    especially Scott Fox. Also the Workgroup for More Intuitive
    Graphics, especially Rick Wise. All interested WAWG members.

> 3\. CCFP-ATM Applications

-   Requested attendance: Mark Huberdeau, Ved Sud, Bill Leber & all
    interested WAWG members.

> 4\. CCFP Verification

-   Requested attendance: Danny Sims, Barb Brown, Jennifer Mahoney, Jim
    Evans, CDM leadership & all interested WAWG members.

> 5\. Additional Items

**11:30A-5:30P Wednesday 22September--Work Group Updates**

**List of Presentations/Documentation:**

  --------------------------- ---------------------------- ----------------------
  **Topic/Title**             **File**                     **Presenter/Author**

  Proposed CCFP               CCFP Brief to WxAps 9-22-04  Mike Golibersuch
  Modifications\              (1).PPT                      
  for ETMS 8.0                                             

  Collaborative Convective    CCFP for TUT.ppt             
  Forecast Product (CCFP)                                  

  Continual Evolution of      CCFP Tech paper Oct04.pdf    Dave Rodenhuis and Tom
  CCFP-User Needs For                                      Fahey
  Extended Range Prediction                                
  (paper)                                                  

  Planned Changes in the      Pentult_Prototype(TF).ppt    Dave Rodenhuis and Tom
  Collaborative Convective                                 Fahey
  Forecast Product (CCFP) For                              
  2005                                                     

  Reduced Vertical Separation RVSM.ppt                     Daniel Chretien and
  Minimum In Canadian                                      Luc Mercier
  Southern Domestic Airspace                               
  (SDRVSM)                                                 

  2005 CCFP Training Timeline 2005 CCFP Timeline.xls       Scott Fox
  --------------------------- ---------------------------- ----------------------

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**September 21 Meeting Notes:**

**Opening Remarks:**

Dave Rodenhuis and Tom Fahey the WAWG Co-Leads welcomed participants.
Prior to this meeting Dave and Tom briefed Jim Frazier, USAirways and
Jim Burgan, FAA on WAWG activities (the briefing is available on the
CDM-WAWG web site). Jim Frazier and Jim Burgan are the new Co-Leads for
the CDM Planning group.

Tom and Dave are coordinating and brainstorming with the ICE-FM Leads.
Some areas of common interest being discussed include:

-   CCFP development and production

-   Application (the strategic plan)

-   Exploring tactical to strategic planning interfaces

A future meeting with the ICE-FM group will be planned.

We are planning a December 7-8, 2004 meeting at ERAU in Daytona Beach,
FL.

Note: No NWS/AWC representatives attended this meeting.

The proposed agenda was discussed and finalized. The discussion of
agenda items 1 and 2 regarding 2005 User Needs Document and CCFP changes
was combined.

**1. 2005 CCFP User needs Document & 2. 2005 More Intuitive Graphics:**

The 2005 CCFP production for the US will start March 1, 2005 and end
October 30, 2005 (when daylight savings time ends). Canadian CCFP
production will start April 1, 2005 and end September 30, 2005.

The 2005 CCFP User Needs Document, Executive Summary will be updated
after all other changes are incorporated.

New CCFP User Needs Document graphics will be provided by Mike
Golibersuch, Volpe. All graphics in the CCFP User Needs document will
need to be reviewed/updated except where they serve a historical purpose
(i.e., possibly in the attachments).

No change to the CCFP Production schedule is planned for 2005.

TFM User Team (TUT) Input:

Mark Marchese, FAA provided feedback from the TUT review of the proposed
CCFP Intuitive Graphics changes. Mark explained TUTs role in the process
and Union bargaining. NATCA/TUT are very involved in computer human
interface changes (CHI). The TUT reviewed the proposed CCFP changes and
provided recommendations to the WAWG and CDM Leadership. TUT is still
working with the WAWG on some issues. TUT also expressed concerned about
the current implementation plan and impact on training.

Mike Golibersuch reviewed the result of the September 9^th^ meeting at
Volpe with TUT. He said CCFP Intuitive Graphics were also discussed at
last week ETMS requirements meeting (see his briefing for details). Mike
noted the ETMS 8.0 requirements freeze on 9/24/04. They are also working
on a CCFP change that would provide a warning when the Canadian CCFP is
not available (their CCFP production season is shorted by on month on
each end). Volpe is coordinating with AWC and AWC is coordinating with
Canada.

The WAWG reviewed/discussed CCFP proposed changes and the TUT responses
(see the table below).

  ----------- ------------------------------- ----------------------------------
  **Item#**   **WxAps WG Recommendation**     **TUT Response**

  **1**       Reduce forecast confidence      OK. Call the two levels low and
              levels from 3 to 2              high.

  **2**       Use color to depict confidence, Retain current use of color to
              and use fill to depict coverage depict coverage, and use fill for
                                              confidence

  **3**       Drop "Growth" attribute from    Retain Growth attribute
              CCFP forecast                   

  **4**       Show only Forecast Echo Tops in User toggle to show complete data
              the data block                  block (same as now) or no data
                                              block

  **5**       Initially deploy CCFP           Retain existing CCFP display on
              modifications only on AWC       both AWC website and ETMS, until
              website, at beginning of Spring ETMS 8.0 is deployed.
              '05 Severe Wx season. Remove    
              CCFP from ETMS until 8.0 is     
              deployed.                       
  ----------- ------------------------------- ----------------------------------

Issue: Some WAWG members expressed concern about user involvement at
this point. The WAWG followed the process and kept CDM Leadership
briefed, and now the TUT is going through the same process that the WAWG
already went through as they developed the initial recommendations.

Additional Explanation of TUT responses and WAWG position:

Item 1) TUT agrees with two levels of confidence, but use Low/High.
(WAWG has no issue)

Item 2) TUT prefers current use of color for intensity because it
translates better for coverage. (WAWG, additional samples/colors are
being explored)

Item 3) TUT wants to leave the growth attribute. (WAWG has no issue)

Item 4) TUT wants to be able to toggle the data block on/off. Possibly
implemented via a mouse. (WAWG has no issue and this may help with the
transition)

Item 5) TUT prefers to cutover to Intuitive graphics when ETMS 8.0 is
deployed. The existing CCFP would be displayed on the TSD at the
beginning of the severe weather season. (WAWG this still needs to be
worked)

Some WAWG members think the TUT recommendation is counterintuitive for
Low Coverage/High Confidence forecasts. The main driver for Intuitive
Graphics was to stop the no fly zones and work towards future
probabilistic approaches. If TUTs proposed approaches impede the
transition to probability, we need to discuss how or whether to proceed
with this change. TUT said they have already agreed to look at other
possible solutions. Additional display option samples are being
developed for TUT review. Dave and Mark hope to resolve all these issues
in the next week. WAWG members noted that TUT is not the only user of
the CCFP and in the future the WAWG will engage TUT sooner.

WAWG and TUT agree on the following:

1.  Start production on March first with one product.

2.  AWC & ETMS (TSD) will produce/display the same thing.

3.  Colors can be changed

**Action:**

Dave and Tom; Response paper to TUT recommendations is to be included in
the record and posted on the web.

2005 CCFP User Needs Document Update:

-   Change SPO to Operations Plan (OP) throughout the document.

-   Include Scott's training changes prior to the December meeting.

-   Confirm/update the Verification section.

A WAWG member suggested we change the name of the CCFP Users Need
document to "Product Description' or send the document out to users for
feedback. However, not enough time remains to do this for this year and
still make the training deadlines.

**Action:**

Dave, Tom, Danny, and Mark P.; Send the final CCFP User Needs document
to users for feedback. Input will be used for out year's development.
Also send users the 2005 meeting schedule if they are interested in
helping with future development.

The 2005 CCFP Training plan discussion was led by Scott Fox. Scott noted
that clarification is needed from CDM Leadership on the table top
exercise. Scott is coordinating with NATCA and Canada on 2005 training
plans. Scott said the training group will have what they need for
training once TUT issues are resolved in the User Needs document. Scott
said they do have some concerns about the different timelines for
different types of operations and would like more functions released in
the Fall to permit more training time over the winter. Scott said the
purchase of the Centra training product is still TBD.

Dave proposed that Scott be the training POC for the WAWG and asked
Scott to provide an updated schedule (see schedule below) for posting on
the WAWG web. Dave recommended that the CWSUs be considered a training
resource and are not excluded in CCFP training.

**Action:**

Scott; Send Ken an updated 2005 CCFP Training Schedule for posting on
the WAWG Web site.

2005 CCFP Training Timeline:

  ---------------------------------------------------------- ------------
  Event                                                      Date

  Ken Mullen will update the statement of user needs (Needed Ongoing
  for draft procedures)                                      

  Contact CDM Leadership to confirm content of tabletop      9/13/2004
  exercise (Co-Chairs)                                       

  Contact NATCA/management to discuss 2005 CCFP/timeline -   9/13/2004
  Dave R                                                     

  Mike S. will contact the Weather Service Union             After 9/21
                                                             meeting

  Daniel will contact Canadian Service Units                 At the 9/21
                                                             meeting

  WAG members should assign a contact person w/in WAG to     At the 9/21
  work on/with procedures dept.                              meeting

  Contact Command Center procedures about mandatory draft    After 9/21
  procedures - Selected WAG member                           meeting

  Design tabletop exercise/survey, which will highlight      After
  changes to CCFP -- Our sub-group                           discussion
                                                             W/CDM
                                                             leadership

  Conduct tabletop exercise - Our sub group + anyone         After
  interested                                                 discussion
                                                             W/CDM
                                                             leadership

  Compile feedback from tabletop/survey -- Our sub group     Open for
                                                             discussion

  Decide who will be instructing the class (Training Dept    At the 9/21
  plus SME?)                                                 meeting

  Decide who will be receiving the training (Users/Produces  At the 9/21
  -- 2 different courses?)                                   meeting

  Decide how the material will be presented (Cadre, Road     At the 9/21
  show or Centra)                                            meeting

  Assign a workgroup to work on training materials - (Our    At the 9/21
  sub group + others?)                                       meeting

  Draft procedures/documents complete                        12/1/2004

  Contact TUT for I & I date                                 12/3/2004

  Circulate training draft to WAG for comment. Comments by:  12/7/2004

  Circulate draft procedures to ATCSCC/WAG for comment.      12/7/2004
  Comments by:                                               

  Update procedures/develop final training package for TUT   12/15/2004
  presentation                                               

  Set dates/location for training: - Training Dept for AT,   1/1/2005
  Mike for the Wx Service, - Dan for Canada                  

  Finalize procedures and training packages after TUT        1/15/2005
  recommendations                                            

  Produce/Reproduce any training materials needed for        2/15/2005
  training by:                                               

  Begin training of 2005 CCFP changes                        3/1/2005

  Release date of 2005 CCFP w/Intuitive Graphics             4/1/2005
  ---------------------------------------------------------- ------------

**Motion from the WAWG (Tom and Dave to draft and send motion):**

Send to Mike Szkil the WAWG recommendation that CWSUs be involved in
Center TMU training.

Note: Union problems with this idea in the past, but they may have been
resolved this time. No issue with using contract trainers at the
Centers.

Discussed scenario based table top exercises that will be apart of
training module with the goal of demonstrating through action that
training has been effective. Whatever is thought to be the most
effective approach recommended by the WAWG will probably be acceptable
to CDM Leadership.

Additional training suggestions included:

-   A scenario that would compare the response to a "no fly zone" using
    the new and old CCFP.

-   A training exercise (HITLs) that includes multiple functions (FCA,
    CCFP, SPT, ...).

-   Cost and ROI of various training options should be included in
    future work.

Scott will post training materials on the Web when they are completed
for downloading/use by industry/others to support their training
development.

**3.CCFP-ATM Applications:**

a\) Mark Huberdeau led this discussion about the coordination with the
ICE-FM workgroup and work on the risk approach to TFM strategic planning
he presented at the August meeting. The WAWG and ICE-FM are planning a
joint meeting at the Memphis (MEM) CTFM meeting for the first half of
the day on November 16^th^ at the FedEx facility. Mark also mentioned
that FedEx uses an advanced approach to risk management for their
operations.

**Action:**

Mark H.; Distribute his paper on the Risk Management approach to TFM
Strategic Planning to the WAWG in the next few weeks.

b\) Jim Evans led the discussion on 0-2 hour tactical decision making.
He said the proactive use and ending of GDPs should include a risk
management approach in the process. The Problem; Capacity goes unused
when a GDP ends because no flights are airborne. A CDM approach to
managing this problem/risk is needed.

Key points/issues:

-   Location specific solutions will be needed (holding is not always an
    option).

-   Rules/tools will need to be developed.

-   Same issues will need to be solved for probabilistic approaches.

-   Rules to equitably shed planes out of the sky will need to be
    developed.

-   The SFO fog issue is a good place to start this work because we have
    probabilistic information on fog burn-off by a given time.

**Action:**

Dave and Jim Evans; Write a white paper for Ved on 0-2 hour tactical
decision making.

**4. CCFP Verification:**

Tom and Dave are still working on the previous action to write a
strongly worded statement to CDM Leadership to support CCFP
Verification. They noted that verification is fundamental for making
changes. Tom and Dave mentioned this issue to the new CDM Co-Leads for
the Planning Group when they briefed them on WAWG status last week.

**5. Additional Items:**

a\) Canadian RVSM Update:

The RVSM in Canadian airspace presentation and discussion was led by Luc
Mercier, MSC and Daniel Chretien, NAVCANADA. The briefing included RVSM
background, coverage, rational, and aircraft monitoring systems. RVSM
was implemented in northern airspace (57:00N to North Pole) 4/18/2002.
Canada will expand RVSM throughout domestic airspace concurrent with US
implementation on 1/20/2005 and eliminate Canadian RVSM Transition
airspace. RVSM increases capacity, operational flexibility, fuel economy
for customers, and provides a common interface to adjacent airspace.
Twice per day, Turbulence charts are provided in support of RVSM for
FL280-430. The charts are valid for 12 hours and categorize turbulence
as MDT, MDT-SEV, and SEV. A SIGMET is produce for MOD/SEV and SEV
forecasts. NAVCANADA's web site for turbulence charts is
[http://www.navcanada.ca/.](http://www.navcanada.ca/. )

Notices:

SIGMET; CAT and Mountain Wave Turbulence area in SIGMET will prevent the
use of RVSM (no flights should intentionally enter a SIGMET area).

AIRMET; Canadian Airmet does not cover the RVSM altitude, therefore it
is not used for RVSM planning

The WAWG had a discussion of when RVSM is suspended and the need for
cross boarder coordination for RVSM products and plans. NAVCANADA was
asked to confirm their position and intentions when a SIGMET for
turbulence is issued. The WAWG is concerned that the FAA and NAVCANADA
may have a different philosophy regarding suspension of RVSM for
turbulence.

After the meeting, Daniel provided the official statement for Canada
with regard to turbulence for RVSM.

> *Canada will prevent the use of RVSM in a designated area if and only
> if \"Greater than moderate turbulence is observed\" by a pilot.
> Forecast charts will be used as a traffic management tool to prepare
> alternate route in case the forecast materialized.*

The WAWG also discussed the Graphic Turbulence Guidance (GTG) product
produced by the AWC and available on their aviation web site. Evaluation
of the GTG was suggested as a possible work item for the WAWG. It was
noted that the WAWG has no user request for a collaborative turbulence
forecast product to support RVSM and we should confirm that no WAWG
action is required or expected (this should be confirmed with CDM
Leadership and the DRVSM workgroup). Concern was also expressed that we
ensure no disconnect between the US and Canada regarding RVSM.

Recommendations:

1.  CDM Leadership should look at RVSM to see if we have a trans-border
    problem that needs to be resolved.

2.  What could/should be done by the WAWG regarding turbulence.

**Action:**

Dave; Send the GTG web site address to the WAWG and or include in the
minutes. Comments/feedback is welcome. Web site has been included below.

AWC GTG web site is: <http://adds.aviationweather.gov/turbulence/>

b\) Terminal/TRACON weather forecast concept:

This forecast would be for impacts to Terminal/TRACONs. Frequent
forecasts of terminal conditions are needed to support tactical
adjustments. The forecast is not for convection but for weather that
impact capacity and will aid tactical decisions (wind, visibility,
ceiling,\...). WSI developed this product and has been
testing/developing this with CWSU support for 6 months. How this product
would be utilized and the relationship to the Terminal forecast needs to
be determined. The WAWG needs direction from CDM Leadership if we are to
work on this item.

**Action:**

Dave; Submit in writing to new CDM Leadership a request for direction if
they want the WAWG to work on the Terminal/TRACON weather forecast.

c\) LLWAS alerts via web concept:

Tom Fahey said wind shear encounters continue to be an issue as
reflected in Safety Analysis he has been supporting. Tom described the
concept of providing near real-time and historical wind shear and
microburst alerts to AOCs via the web (kind of like RVR data is
distributed). He also said eventually this info could be distributed to
the cockpits. Bill Cranor said this type of data would normally be
worked by the NAS Status workgroup that is currently not active.
However, the WAWG could work this if authorized by CDM Leadership.

[]{.mark}

**End**

**Consolidated Action Item List from the September 21, 2004 Meeting:**

  -------- ------------- -------------------------- ---------------------------------------------
  **\#**   Origination   Action                     Actionee
           Date                                     

  1        9/21/04       Response paper to TUT      Dave Rodenhuis and Tom Fahey
                         recommendations is to be   
                         included in the record and 
                         posted on the web.         

  2        9/21/04       Send the final CCFP User   Dave Rodenhuis and Tom Fahey, Danny Sims, and
                         Needs document to users    Mark Phaneuf
                         for feedback. Input will   
                         be used for out year's     
                         development. Also send     
                         users the 2005 meeting     
                         schedule if they are       
                         interested in helping with 
                         future development.        

  3        9/21/04       Send Ken an updated 2005   Scott Fox
                         CCFP Training Schedule for 
                         posting on the WAWG Web    
                         site.                      

  4        9/21/04       Distribute his paper on    Mark Huberdeau
                         the Risk Management        
                         approach to TFM Strategic  
                         Planning to the WAWG in    
                         the next few weeks.        

  5        9/21/04       Write a white paper for    Dave Rodenhuis and Jim Evans
                         Ved on 0-2 hour tactical   
                         decision making.           

  6        9/21/04       Send the GTG web site      Closed- AWC GTG web site is:
                         address to the WAWG and or http://adds.aviationweather.gov/turbulence/
                         include in the minutes.    
                         Comments/feedback is       
                         welcome. Web site has been 
                         included below.            

  7        9/21/04       Submit in writing to new   Dave Rodenhuis
                         CDM Leadership a request   
                         for direction if they want 
                         the WAWG to work on the    
                         Terminal/TRACON weather    
                         forecast.                  
  -------- ------------- -------------------------- ---------------------------------------------