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Space Pope Reply #40 on: 04-02-2003 19:19 » 04-02-2003 19:19 » Quote Originally posted by Venus:

nibbler can't have existed since the begining of time. the've already established that he's 5 years old.

Nope, wrong. This is from the S2 DVD Boxset:



As you can see, he is 3,277 years old, so he was born in 1276 BC. Nope, wrong. This is from the S2 DVD Boxset:As you can see, he is 3,277 years old, so he was born in 1276 BC.

Teral



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DOOP Secretary Reply #42 on: 04-02-2003 19:31 » 04-02-2003 19:31 » Quote Originally posted by CyberKnight:

As for DS9, I don't know why, but I'm not too keen on it. I recognise it's a great show and it deserves better than to be ignored, but there's just something about it which I can't pin down which I don't like as much as I did about Voyager's early years. It's probably due to a hard-core set of DS9 fans who go around saying DS9 is the best Trek series ever (without the IMO quantifier ) As for DS9, I don't know why, but I'm not too keen on it. I recognise it's a great show and it deserves better than to be ignored, but there's just something about it which I can't pin down which I don't like as much as I did about Voyager's early years. It's probably due to a hard-core set of DS9 fans who go around saying DS9 is the best Trek series ever (without the IMO quantifier

The truth doesn't need a qualifier.



Anyway, not to drift off-topic, I'll bump the Star Trek thread tomorrow and state why I think V'Ger is substandard ST.



As for your theory: Not bad, I can definetely see a lot of it happen, and it would be kinda fitting for the show to come full circle like that.



As for Fry's dilemma, and the outcome: that's just sickingly cute. I'm sure it would make the shippers happy. The truth doesn't need a qualifier.Anyway, not to drift off-topic, I'll bump the Star Trek thread tomorrow and state why I think V'Ger is substandard ST.As for your theory: Not bad, I can definetely see a lot of it happen, and it would be kinda fitting for the show to come full circle like that.As for Fry's dilemma, and the outcome: that's just sickingly cute. I'm sure it would make the shippers happy.

CyberKnight



Urban Legend



Urban Legend Reply #44 on: 04-02-2003 20:24 » 04-02-2003 20:24 » . What can I say. I like poignant (but still happy)endings

Chalic



Bending Unit



Bending Unit Reply #45 on: 04-06-2003 00:52 » 04-06-2003 00:52 »



Spoiler warning! Click to show/hide! I have to ask you CyberKnight, why in the world would Nibbler have Past Fry help him? You can see Nibbler's and what must be future Fry's shadows under the desk in "Jurassic Bark." It seems pretty obvious that Past Fry gets frozen just as is shown in SP3000. Anyway, what if past Fry DID see the Brain and Nibbler and everyone, then why did he act like he had no clue what was going on when he first woke up in the future? For any sort of cohesiveness to the plot, I think we need to assume that past Fry never learns anything of the future until he experiences it as he lives through it. The 3rd part of AOIone has some new meaning now, because instead of the universe being destroyed beause something that should have happened didn't, (a reason that doesn't make much phsyical sense, considering that if that is a paralell universe, it's supposed to have different things happen) the universe gets destroyed by the brains because Fry wasn't around to stop them. Very cool that the F. Team actually thought this far ahead from the very beginning. One thing I'd like to question though, is why does Fry go to the cryogenics lab at all, if Nibbler (or Fry, as in some ideas) wasn't there to prank call him? I hate doing these, but just so no one will complain,

CyberKnight



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Urban Legend Reply #46 on: 04-06-2003 05:03 »

« Last Edit on: 04-08-2003 00:00 » 04-06-2003 05:03 »04-08-2003 00:00 » Spoiler warning! Click to show/hide!



However, thinking about it, it's probable that it is indeed Future Fry who remains outside the tube, but it just seemed too predictable for that to be the case - everyone ASSUMES that the shadow in "Jurassic Bark" is the current Fry, so it would be a neat twist if in fact it was Past Fry. There's little way to tell them apart, and Future Fry may have just be re-tracing the events to allow the enemy to appear without getting suspicious.



As for AOI1, that clearly doesn't follow the ripple effect (the universe shouldn't be destroyed until the year 3000 or so), so that kind of ruins the whole thing.



It is kind of neat they planned this all out.

That's not technically the case. They seem to be following the ripple theory of time travel, in that events must proceed through the original time-line before they can be altered - this is why we don't see Fry's shadow in "SP3K". So it's entirely possible for Past Fry to have some recollection of the past.However, thinking about it, it's probable that it is indeed Future Fry who remains outside the tube, but it just seemed too predictable for that to be the case - everyone ASSUMES that the shadow in "Jurassic Bark" is the current Fry, so it would be a neat twist if in fact it was Past Fry. There's little way to tell them apart, and Future Fry may have just be re-tracing the events to allow the enemy to appear without getting suspicious.As for AOI1, that clearly doesn't follow the ripple effect (the universe shouldn't be destroyed until the year 3000 or so), so that kind of ruins the whole thing.It is kind of neat they planned this all out.

EDIT: And I was totally wrong. Dang. Needless to say, I would have written the episode differently (but where's the suprise in that )?. Pretty good episode though. EDIT: And I was totally wrong. Dang. Needless to say, I would have written the episode differently (but where's the suprise in that)?. Pretty good episode though.

Tele-Toby



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Crustacean Reply #47 on: 04-10-2003 10:17 » 04-10-2003 10:17 » I don't have AOI1 available to check, but was Nibbler at the scene when Fry wanted to see what would have happened had he not been frozen?



I would think that if he had been there, His Nibs might have become agitated that the scene might have exposed his presence, or that there had been more than random chance involved.



And then he'd have to do something drastic to divert everybody's attention - like drop a massive steamer....



CyberKnight



Urban Legend



Urban Legend Reply #48 on: 04-10-2003 14:31 » 04-10-2003 14:31 » . But I think Nibbler wasn't present in the alternate reality either. Besides, it's such a quick flashby nobody would have noticed it (and the crew themselves wouldn't know the difference anyway). Actually, only the Professor was there in AOI1. But I think Nibbler wasn't present in the alternate reality either. Besides, it's such a quick flashby nobody would have noticed it (and the crew themselves wouldn't know the difference anyway).

Teral



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DOOP Secretary Reply #49 on: 04-10-2003 15:20 » 04-10-2003 15:20 » Nibbler isn't present in AOI I, and I did notice that on the first viewing (I made a post about this issue back then, just too lazy to do a search for it).

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Bending Unit Reply #50 on: 04-11-2003 22:59 » 04-11-2003 22:59 » Well, any Mod can close this thread now, we've found out all we can find.



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Space Pope



Space Pope Reply #52 on: 04-12-2003 05:47 » 04-12-2003 05:47 » Well, not really. We still don't know his real age. I doubt it's nor 5 or 3277 years. It's probably more like ... 42!

I'm watching you. Yes, YOU!

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Professor Reply #53 on: 04-12-2003 06:06 » 04-12-2003 06:06 » well he is definately more than 1000, I'd say the DVD's age is correct, but I'd like to know how the bender vision view / visor can work out people's ages

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Space Pope



Space Pope Reply #54 on: 04-12-2003 06:28 »

« Last Edit on: 04-12-2003 06:28 » 04-12-2003 06:28 »04-12-2003 06:28 » Ahm, Magic?



Aside from that:



Knock, knock ... 42!

Get it?

I'm watching you. Yes, YOU!

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Space Pope



Space Pope Reply #55 on: 04-12-2003 09:46 » 04-12-2003 09:46 » Quote Originally posted by Kristi:

Time began in 1276 BC?





Missed this. The Nibblonian race has been about since 18 years before the big bang, but as Nibbler said 'Our race lives long', but i doubt that Nibbler has lived since the start of the Nibblonian race. Missed this. The Nibblonian race has been about since 18 years before the big bang, but as Nibbler said 'Our race lives long', but i doubt that Nibbler has lived since the start of the Nibblonian race.

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DOOP Secretary Reply #58 on: 04-13-2003 21:12 » 04-13-2003 21:12 » So why was Nibbler in the trash can in Jurassic Bark and under the desk in TWoF?

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Bending Unit Reply #59 on: 04-13-2003 21:22 » 04-13-2003 21:22 » Quote Originally posted by Nixorbo:

So why was Nibbler in the trash can in Jurassic Bark and under the desk in TWoF?

Good Question. Another Nibblionian? That or a continuity error? Good Question. Another Nibblionian? That or a continuity error?

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DOOP Ubersecretary Reply #60 on: 04-13-2003 21:27 » 04-13-2003 21:27 » I believe that it would have been another Nibblonian. As Nibbler clearly left his ship on Earth, he would have to have had transport porvided to Vergon 6.



Explained. Thank me, mortals.

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Bending Unit Reply #65 on: 04-14-2003 00:03 » 04-14-2003 00:03 » I don't have the patience to read through the whole thread right now, but my ideas are usually pretty unique so I doubt I'll repeat anything said here. Here goes:



I think there really is an I. C. Weiner. I'm serious. It's the sort of thing they might reveal in a movie when and if they get around to it. That would be the truest irony. Perhaps he's the guy who was supposed to get stuffed in that empty cryotube but never did. I think if he ever met Fry he would be very angry that he missed out on his chance to see the future and didn't even get his pizza.



I know Nibbler made the call to Panucci's but even Nibbler might have been manipulated by forces yet greater than he, like destiny for instance.

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DOOP Ubersecretary Reply #66 on: 04-14-2003 18:46 » 04-14-2003 18:46 » Quote Originally posted by Chanukah Zombie:

I think there really is an I. C. Weiner. I'm serious. It's the sort of thing they might reveal in a movie when and if they get around to it. That would be the truest irony. Perhaps he's the guy who was supposed to get stuffed in that empty cryotube but never did. I think if he ever met Fry he would be very angry that he missed out on his chance to see the future and didn't even get his pizza.



I think that the reason your ideas are unique is that yoiu have a screw loose. And I mean that in a good way. I think that the reason your ideas are unique is that yoiu have a screw loose. And I mean that in away.

Chanukah Zombie



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Bending Unit Reply #67 on: 04-14-2003 19:00 » 04-14-2003 19:00 » Quote Originally posted by totalnerduk:

Quote Originally posted by Chanukah Zombie:

I think there really is an I. C. Weiner. I'm serious. It's the sort of thing they might reveal in a movie when and if they get around to it. That would be the truest irony. Perhaps he's the guy who was supposed to get stuffed in that empty cryotube but never did. I think if he ever met Fry he would be very angry that he missed out on his chance to see the future and didn't even get his pizza.



I think that the reason your ideas are unique is that yoiu have a screw loose. And I mean that in a good way. I think that the reason your ideas are unique is that yoiu have a screw loose. And I mean that in away.

Time will tell. No harm in a little idle speculation until it does... or even a lot. Time will tell. No harm in a little idle speculation until it does... or even a lot.

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DOOP Ubersecretary Reply #68 on: 04-14-2003 19:12 » 04-14-2003 19:12 » little speculation? You might be crazy, but you sure are funny, Zombie. speculation?You might be crazy, but you sure are funny, Zombie.

Chanukah Zombie



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Bending Unit Reply #69 on: 04-14-2003 19:34 » 04-14-2003 19:34 » Quote Originally posted by totalnerduk:

A little speculation? You might be crazy, but you sure are funny, Zombie. speculation?You might be crazy, but you sure are funny, Zombie.

I doubt I am crazy, and I don't think anyone has ever said that but for you just now. I'm glad you were amused but I did qualify my statement by saying that even a lot of idle speculation is productive in lieu of real answers. Anyway, how about I let you get the last word in and then we stop arguing, okay? Fair? I doubt I am crazy, and I don't think anyone has ever said that but for you just now. I'm glad you were amused but I did qualify my statement by saying that even a lot of idle speculation is productive in lieu of real answers. Anyway, how about I let you get the last word in and then we stop arguing, okay? Fair?

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DOOP Ubersecretary Reply #70 on: 04-14-2003 19:36 » 04-14-2003 19:36 » Sorry, I didn't know this was an argument. You can have the last word, be my guest. I really can't think of anything fitting except maybe "Zurich".

zyphr



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Crustacean Reply #71 on: 04-25-2003 13:23 » 04-25-2003 13:23 » Hehe, I've allready seen the episode...

And I won't give it away just point you away:

Spoiler:





hmm... I can't get that blue thingy to wrok... help me out here?

fryfanSpyOrama



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Urban Legend Reply #75 on: 07-22-2004 17:50 »

« Last Edit on: 07-22-2004 17:50 » 07-22-2004 17:50 »07-22-2004 17:50 »





Spoiler warning! Click to show/hide! Nibbler: She must be the other.

Fry: What?

Nibbler: You know the other who cleans my poop.

Fry: oh

Nibbler: You must not give up on her.

Is what on the spoiler true? Is this really from a deleted scene on the DVD? If it is please anybody confirm this. If there are deleted scenes in The Why In Fry, can somebody please let me know of them, the same way from TDHAIPT? Thank you. Question to those who have the season 4 DVD: Are there any deleted scenes for "The Why in Fry"? I heard a rumor that there is a delete scene involving Leela as "the other".Is what on the spoiler true? Is this really from a deleted scene on the DVD? If it is please anybody confirm this. If there are deleted scenes in The Why In Fry, can somebody please let me know of them, the same way from TDHAIPT? Thank you.

Teral



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DOOP Secretary Reply #76 on: 07-22-2004 18:15 » 07-22-2004 18:15 »



The only deleted scene in TWOF is:



Spoiler warning! Click to show/hide! Fry and Bender is walking along the street, Fry is feeling down.

Fry: "We could go sing karaoke."

Bender: "Oh lord no! But this is your night, my friend. So if there's anything in the whole world you wanna do, just say the word."

Fry: "You wanna see a movie?"

(Bender look up the street, see a large car coming, as it passes them he grab unto it. While his arm extends, he looks at Fry and...)

Bender: "Let me think about it..."

(He's pulled along, Fry is dejected) Nope, the spoiler isn't true.The only deleted scene in TWOF is:

fryfanSpyOrama



Urban Legend



Urban Legend Reply #77 on: 07-22-2004 23:02 » 07-22-2004 23:02 » Thank you Teral for clearing that up, but my desire to know why Nibbler referred to Leela as "the other" still remains.

Idan_Aharoni



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Professor Reply #78 on: 07-24-2004 05:14 » 07-24-2004 05:14 » Well, she was sent in TDTESS to warn "The one", thats probably her role in the whole story - to warn "the one". Or maybe "the other" is just "the one"'s girlfriend, or wife, or whatever.