motive of the attack. What I don't accept is the righteous attitude that you take against the simple observation that motives do vary between different offenders and the kinds of attack that they perpetrate. I put it to you that if we don't understand what motivates men who transgress then we aren't able to even being on working towards changing those attitudes. If on the other hand you simply wish to take the view that "all men are pigs!" because footballers happen to be immoderate bastards when under the influence of Mad Monday quantities of alcohol then I simply think you're extrapolating the worst kind of generalisation from the worst possible example. Anyone engaging in constructive debate should know that we can do better than that. gerard : 06 Oct 2010 9:13:42pm I think the picture with the raised oblong ball is succinct. It's the game of all those mumbling males rolling around in the grass with lolling members in those tight shorts that must result in over-excitement. Afterwards, they go to motels or clubs and without as much as a shower, and with grass still on their knees, go direct to unasked for grabbing and frisking of anything with hair on it. I feel sure if the game was banned or just played by much calmer females, things would calm down. Why not give it a try? Oliver S : 06 Oct 2010 8:55:46pm It is a tacit (perhaps even explicit) understanding in some sections of the community that