can become complicated by obfuscation and nit picking. Broadly, it is reasonable to say that what those fools have forecast, has not been borne out in fact. Remember, we are supposed to be now approaching the frying stage based on the predictions shown in the Mann "hockey stick". Any thinking person would say that this "stick" has been shown to be a fraud, but still there are people with a total conviction, a total sense of belief. It just goes to show that even supposedly educated people are not immune to falling for a fallacy and will defend the fallacy to the end. The facts speak for themselves. There is no linkage shown between industrial activity and increased temperatures. Gore, unfortunately turned up in Australia recently, and in an interview said that the drought in Southern Australia was caused by global warming. He, I presume, was ignorant of the fact that running up to 2000 we had a run of average to above average seasons. The history of severe droughts in Australia, is written in the ice cores in New Zealand. The prevailing winds carry the dust across to NZ where it is deposited on the snowy peaks and ultimately ends up in the glacial record. I point out this, as it is a typical example of the inaccurate commentary given by a person with clearly, a vested interest. Uninformed people fall for it every time. Looking at some of the commentary from J Smith and Peter(temptrain) the belief system