them don't share the experience of what it means to be Brazilian.So in this sense you have to create this identity.  There's wonderful stories - in the late nineteenth, early twentieth century, the Brazilian army went into the western Amazon to build telegraph lines and they bring with them Brazilian flags which - they bring with them phonographs, they play the national anthem and when they meet indigenous groups, they play this, they teach them the national anthem.  These people in the western Amazon are not aware Brazil even exists.  So in this sense, what you're creating is a community.  That's why I say it's - in some sense, it's always fruitless.  You will never achieve, say, 100 per cent of all the people in the boundaries of Brazil sharing exactly the same set of beliefs.  So in this sense, I argue this; there's certain things that resonate - so again, to take the example of soccer, maybe not everyone really likes soccer, maybe they don't all understand it, they may not have all played it, but at the moment you're experiencing the world cup, it's a national event.  This resonates with you, even if you don't understand the rules of the game. ERIC VAN BEMMEL There was a dictatorship that ended in the mid-eighties, what does that have to say about a national identity? That must have divided people? MARSHALL EAKIN It works both ways.  So when the military comes in in 1964 and they stay in power until