something that we've spent a lot of time talking about. How do you improve productivity in Australia? What are the drivers of growth? But I can tell you over here in the United Kingdom and in Europe more generally, they're not talking about a $23-a-tonne carbon tax, which is a dead hand on the Australian economy. TONY JONES: OK, but ... JOE HOCKEY: They're not talking about mining taxes. TONY JONES: I'll tell you what people are going to want to know some more detail on, when you say "in part", in part you're going to reduce entitlements to enable yourself to reduce personal and company income tax and everyone's going to want to know what entitlements you're looking at. JOE HOCKEY: Well and before the election, and after the election, we will continually look at ways to ensure that people get a fairer deal through lower taxes and less government spending. We haven't been hiding anything. We've been saying, for example, that we will reduce ... TONY JONES: But until now we've understood that what you're going to do is cut public service jobs and so on. I mean, there hasn't been a lot of talk about cutting entitlements. For example - and this is why my speech was so right - in France at the moment, the leading presidential candidate is arguing that France should reduce the retirement age from 62 to 60. Now when this government, the current Labor government in Canberra, sought to increase the retirement