and charlatans. It is about 25 years since I did my very first therapy treatment, and I still refer for things that are out of my remit, or that I don't understand, and I still undertake a huge amount of training and research to keep me up-to-date. To know your limitations, and be able to refer is a strength not a weakness, but to treat when you don't understand is unethical. So to go back to your original point, yes, you are reading something that isn't there, I am not saying anything about one particular course, or organisation, this is a general observation I have made, and as I said at the end of most of the statements 'without the training' . When I studied sport and remedial massage at LSSM (in 1999/2000) the syllabus included assessment of soft tissue injuries and assessment of joint injuries. I particularly remember a session on assessment of knee injuries where the tutor (not Mel) went through a great deal of interesting and useful information at too fast a pace and without giving sufficiently detailed written handouts to help students retain what he was saying. I suspect that this is still the case, as all of the people that I train that have done the LSSM course have said they don't cover a good subjective physical assessment enough to be confident. I have been running a week of subjective physical assessment workshops this week, that are primarily attended by LSSM grads, and I would