Ossetians. And the second question for John, in terms of ICC. A few -- is it possible to do a few things without the big review, such as the Obama administration going to the meetings as an observer, sitting to see whether they want to become a member of this club or whether they're all wacko and we don't want to have anything to do with them? Or do you think that's a halfway house? TOOBIN: If you could both try to answer real quick, so we could just (hand ?) another question -- SCHEFFER: Very bluntly, you don't avoid the question. It is -- it's not a question that has an easy, simple answer. The easy, simple answer is yes, let's go out there and change all the rules and make everyone comply with new -- brand-new rules. But that's not going to happen. Meantime, atrocities occur, and we keep struggling with this issue of how do we respond to atrocities. So I think if our response in terms of the use of military force is a, frankly, in the most realistic context, a very rare use of it in this context, not a frequent use of it, and one which, as I explained, requires a tremendous amount of preparatory work with the international community to prepare them for that use of military force, then yes. Sometimes we have to be prepared to respond to a situation where another major power may in fact take that issue up itself,