box. People who are complaining about too much bass just doesn't sound right, they have a pretty balanced signature, whereas the m5 is more bassy. Re the guy claiming that no one on here knows headphones because you can't get decent ones for $20, check out head fi ratings of m4 versus other more expensive offerings. M4 are renowned as being in the top few iem in the $50 price range and many experts back this up. Excuse me if I believe them over your throw away one liner. Plus who are you to make sweeping generalisations about people on this site? Re the guy claiming that no one on here knows headphones because you can't get decent ones for $20, check out head fi ratings of m4 versus other more expensive offerings. Head-Fi is a massive collective community, you also have trash-posters obsessed with a product talking up their favourite product to godly-status, in doing so missing out some cons (ATH-M50's headband). Always take reviews from head-fi with a grain of salt, you also have to take into account a large majority posters on the internet may have only used stock-earphones before, anything they use after it is almost immediately guaranteed to be better, as well as the inconsistent products being pumped out of factories by brands. Also have to take into consideration the different types of music each reviewer uses (you have the bassheads, dubstep addicts, people who enjoy classical/lots of instrumental) You never really truly enjoy the