that is just what they are. The problem is when he tries to make out he is an authority on something like climate change and the science, or present others and argue that they are an authority on the science when they are not. As for when he attacks Tony Abbott, that is usually when he considers Abbott is not sticking to the script and is not far right enough. Oh, and I thought that Wining Pom's attempts at humor were pretty good and spot on. OUB : 14 Jun 2012 12:52:59pm John51 just for your assistance you mean 'lay down misere', the first e carrying a grave accent. Not disagreeing with you there. For me the complaint on ABC bias is centred more on current affairs presenters rather than news. Kerry O'Brien was hopeless as far as being objective goes. Tony Jones continues to wear his political heart on his sleeve. Virginia Trioli seems to do the same although I don't watch her stuff much (too annoying). I give credit to Barrie Cassidy for his standards despite occasional lapses. Jonathon Holmes is embarrassingly lacking in objectivity, given the job he has. Jones and Holmes seem particularly keen to enforce the new orthodoxy on climate change, choking off any attempt at exploring the topic. Contrast Jones' handling of his interview with Bjorn Lomborg, an AGW believer but more flexible on possible remedies, with Alberici's supine interview of Michael Mann (lay down Michael and I'll tickle your tummy). I think Emma