disagree with him on a number of things, but...) repost the whole thing complete with the other side of the conversation that prompted his comments. Demolish the information, not the person; let's not become the personal nastiness and underhanded tactics that prompted the need for Atheism+ as a refuge in the first place. Let's take a look at the preamble to the Libertarian Party platform which was given as "proof" that libertarians aren't selfish assholes: We hold that all individuals have the right to exercise sole dominion over their own lives, and have the right to live in whatever manner they choose, so long as they do not forcibly interfere with the equal right of others to live in whatever manner they choose. What does "sole dominion" mean? Is it "you can't tell me what to do"? All kinds of people tell us what to do, starting with our parents, teachers, baby sitters, and elder siblings. I spent two years in the Army where people were telling me what to do. My bosses at work tell me what to do. My doctor tells me what to do. When I buy a pair of shoes the sales associate tells me what to do. Freedom isn't always a good thing. The freedom to starve is not good when you're the one starving. But even if we accept that freedom is generally good, it's not the only good thing. Physical security, which even prisoners can have, is good. The love of a family