in the UK, there are a lot of people going through those secret courts, generati9ng a lot of loot for the criuminal gangsters who run them. I do not know of a single family or child whose life has neen enhanced by these secret torture chambers, but I do know that the corrupt creature who was my secret family court double dealing corrupt solicitor had a lovely big house, car and enjoyed his holidays in the USA, all funded by Muggins the UK Taxpayers. "If one is realistic about this, nothing short of a massive econo-fiscal crash -- which winds up questioning every polemic and most of our values -- is going to create the environment in which it can happen." I agree...and so did Will Hutton back in 198x. The only unknowns are a) how bad will it have to get and b) what will the trigger be. I don't know the answers. In an age of booming populations and predicted worldwide food shortages the vandalism perpetrated by successive British governments on our agriculture sector should be a national scandal. Every single EU directive relating to food and agriculture is examined by civil service mandarins and they decide on the most draconian interpretation of this directive possible. A process known as gold plating. The Government then employ a whole army of civil servant gestapo type inspectors to enforce these rules to the letter, (the same happens to our fishing industry). Combined with gross mismanagement of every major issue to