go on, but the answer is most definitely NO, palm oil is not the way forward. Of course, you will get politicians touting this as part of a sustainable future, but politicians are short termist and aim for what sounds good rather than what is good. d You've got me convinced but what are the alternatives? Wind power is great but limited by the space required. There is also an impact from bird strikes. Solar power is widely used on the continent? Is this a realistic option in the UK? We need to reduce our demand for power as well as finding alternatives. Thanks for that forficula. So like with a lot of these "miracle" products there's lots of pros and cons mainly cons from the sound of it. I liked your "cookie-jar" anology, very appropriate. From what else I've read it would seem that the main problem is that no-one seems able to agree on what we should do because people that are in charge are looking for the perfect solution that will gives us what we want but without any consequences. It seems like a lot of officials want to cover their backs and make themselves look good rather than grabbing the problem with both hands. Yes, the solution, if there is one is not simple and we may have to accept some things we instinctively distrust. Or at least the media and certain others tell us we must distrust. Whatever we do will cost - though this