is a really interesting concept. It's very much about being able to act in a consistent and confident way to provide guidance, support and development for people so they make an effective contribution to the business. That involves a wide range of things, to actually be able to achieve that. I think it is one of those things that is critically important in business but very hard to define. And if you are in the engineering business like ours, people are looking for definite definition and it is really hard to deliver that. Q4. Why did you choose the CLE program? We had a gap in our leadership development programs at Australia Rolled Products for a number of years and some of that was driven by the fact that we have been performing fairly poorly from the financial perspective. We had a new MD appointed and at the same time the Alcoa Corporation Worldwide had introduced a set of competencies that was going to underpin all of our Talent Management and Development practices. So really a number of things came together that said, 'This is an opportunity for us to develop a leadership program that is going to help us to support and to drive the competency requirements that we had of our leaders'. Q5. What was it like to work with DeakinPrime? It's been a really good experience, from the time of engaging Deakin, [then] working together to get a scope and pull the materials together. I think, having