believing their feelings are truth. Whereas atheists, use feelings to describe what they logically understand. David, Existentialist Society : 23 Apr 2012 2:02:07pm Agnosticism undermines Pascal's Wager. Can we know which god is the true god? Pascal's Wager has validity only within the context of a single religious denomination. It cannot deal with a situation where there is a multiplicity of religions to choose from. Let alone where there are numerous denominations within each religion. JamesFranklin : 26 Apr 2012 10:58:39am No, Pascal's Wager applies to any range of religions whose claims you take seriously. That was the topic of a Philosopher's Zone last year, http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/prog\\... Roger Fullerton : 23 Apr 2012 2:06:08pm A thoght occurs to me about the Monte Carlo hypothesis. If a number, say 12, has not come up 35 times, a reasonable conclusion would be that there is a bias in the wheel AGAINST 12 appearing; the very opposite to the notion that according to "the law of averages" 12 is likely to come up soon. Searle strips all that from the person inside the room & the question is what happens to it? Is it in the rule book or has it been eliminated altogether? Searle can't have it both ways. If it's in the rule book the argument assumes what it seeks to prove. If it's eliminated altogether the person outside the room is not going to be convinced. Robert Penny : Appearances are important, because our world is all appearance. On the other