this particular audience. '(24) Prestige by false credentials. " .. a forester or industry representative with day-to-day practical knowledge of the issues .." ; "This raises the important question of public interest .."' Are you suggesting Mr Poynter's credentials are false? And what on earth does the second example have to do with false credentials? VoR : 07 Dec 2008 4:18:21pm AvB: Look mate, please don't take this the wrong way. When you said the other day that you wanted to talk about forestry, I did wonder why you'd spent so much time focussing on Z. Now you're doing it again. What Z demonstrated remains true: If you apply Poynter's own yardstick to his own article, it provides no support for his opinions. No more. No less. You are a person who cares about natural forests and if I recall correctly (not motivated enough to go back and read it all again) knows something about them. That got hidden in all the anti-Z stuff. Seems a waste. I love natural forests, at least I love a particular one and enjoy many others. I also like wooden artifacts and use of wood in housing. That's an interesting dichotomy that would have been worthwhile hearing a FEW words about. Andy von billabong : 09 Dec 2008 8:54:29am One of two VoR, thank you for again responding to one of my posts. And again, I agree one hundred percent with what you say. All this stupidity with Z came about because I originally