in good spirit -- to come to Shropshire and areas of the country facing this extraordinary crisis, and to meet our constituents and hear the emotion in their pleas for action. Hon. Members would then begin to understand why so many Government Members feel strongly that action must be taken now. The hon. Gentleman makes a powerful case. I stood beside a dairy farmer in my constituency as their herd was loaded for slaughter, and it is an extremely distressing experience, but that is all the more reason why we should listen to the science and not make the situation worse. It is simply wrong to suggest that that is not what people on both side of the debate are trying to achieve. Of course, we will be arguing about the science, and both sides feel strongly that their scientific arguments are correct and that they have the correct scientists' feedback on their side. That will continue throughout the debate. I echo the comments by Martin Horwood about how much sympathy we all have for farmers and the dairy industry. We have to deal with this disease. However, the years that Daniel Kawczynski mentioned -- 1997 and, more recently, 2007-12 -- were marked by one event that changed the picture of disease in cattle, and that was foot and mouth. Will he comment on the contribution that foot and mouth made to increased cattle movement and the decrease in testing for bovine TB in cattle? In the few minutes I