and we'll will invite them to participate. Ok so a manufacture is an expert on how well an EBOR works, I will give you that. On the other hand any pit falls that they have with them they are not going to sit and air it out for all to see. Remember they are private companies out to make a profit, so they will always say they are a good thing. And as far as the trucking companies you have brought forward, and did the self imposed EOBR in their own truck. Why some ask? That is an easy one to answer, those companies chose to hire none experienced drivers and found that the EBOR was the easiest way in order to track their rookie drivers and make sure they were doing what the company wanted, an electronic babysitter. So now you say how those trucking companies are experts on the EBOR, maybe but like I said about the manufactures, I will also say about the trucking companies that use them, it comes down to profit. So now they think that all should be like them to level the playing field. So are the trucking companies truly experts I think not. Yes Mr Moderator I have become very distrustful of anything that the FMCSA has to offer lately. The FMCSA has no facts to stand on, but keep yelling it is about safety. So you see where the problem lyes with this for me, you can not no matter how