also Detachment 88 on duty. HAYDEN COOPER: What do they do in Papua? CONSTANT KARMA: As far as I am aware, duties specific to the police. HAYDEN COOPER: Are they involved in actions against separatist leaders or independence leaders or KNPB members? CONSTANT KARMA: With the leader of KNPB, the man by the name of Buktar Tabumi, he was already arrested some time before the death of Mako Tabumi. He was already in the hands of the Papuan Police. HAYDEN COOPER: Were Densus 88 involved in that? CONSTANT KARMA: I don't know exactly know because it is a police headquarters, I don't exactly know the difference between the normal police, the Brimob and the Densus 88, I can't tell the difference, because they are all police.