what they are wanting IS a full frame, the bolted on lighting truss to engine design dont work no matter what you make it out of. It did for one year, 2007. Remember Rossi was the one saying the only way to beat the bolted on lighting truss to engine design was by starting 30sec in front, or something like that. Poor Ducati must be a bit confused. Or is this par for the course when dealing with Ducati, or Italians in general. This is what he said about the development of the bike. Jerry Burgess doesn't seem too impressed. He repeated to me today what he said in Qatar when I asked him what the prospects were: "I wouldn't start from here." I may be wrong, but the more I watch what's happening at Ducati the more I get the feeling they're rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. That sounds like they are not listening to his suggestions and have basically told him to fuck off, this the way we are going. This has been clear from the beginning, that they aren't listening to him. The gp11.1 was made with no input from him. When he criticised the fork ends and how long it took to get them that told me all I needed to know. He has to feel incredibly frustrated dealing with precious who has been dubbed a genius when the the only thing the bike ever had going for it was the best engine on