group... Clevs only played 60mins for England. During the Olympics he notched up 4 matches in 9 fucking days. If he was fatigued why even have him on the bench? Fergie didn't pick him for some other reason entirely and it's something far more worrying as Clevs hasn't started the last 3 matches for United. On this being just one fuck up or a blip -- Those who have this kind of thinking need a reality check. Maybe they missed the majority of the Villa game, or the first half of the Spurs game, or massive chunks of us playing against 10 men at Analfield or Rentboy Bridge, or the whole of the Everton game? Maybe they missed the end of last season? I don't know. But for a hell of a lot of us this has been a long time coming. As Mankini said last season; we're not scared of United, and no-one really is any more. Villa used to be fucking terrified of getting mauled by us and Villa Park was like our second home ground. Now they press us with 3 players in our half when they lose the ball... On not criticising the manager -- Fergie put this most simply himself; NO-ONE IS BIGGER THAN UNITED. Not him, not anyone. Starting Giggs and Carrick in a 2 man midfield yesterday was a massive tactical error. There is absolutely nothing wrong with stating this. It's a fact. Calling for him to be sacked though, is fucking madness.