within certain limits but that is all that is required. "Spin" has become a modern buzz word that not many understand. Get the swinging voter to swing and you are home. You have little hope in politics if you dont have that most useless quality, charisma. Many people just follow what their politician has to say, they don't think. They seem to be incapable of independent thought and to be able to think through issues. They don't consider the consequences of their issue or for the impact that that issue may have. They don't care if they wreck the economy so long as they get their way. I believe that it is reasonable to say that there are powerful interests at play here, which need to be examined. There are many scientists who have became corrupt and have modified their views to suit their paymasters. The likes of Gore see that there are "squillions" to be made by trading carbon, so they modify and promote, to suit their own interests. They are also corrupt, as well as selfish! Scenario. If I am a scientist and I decided that the concept of AGW was wrong. Would the government give me money to enable me to research the matter? I think not. Fortunately there are people who rise above "politics" but, although their voices are growing, they are still weak. tempterrain, whenever you mention socialists (or the left), the first think that springs to my mind is someone who never changes his/her