demand that the Europeans undertake the structural reform that the countries helping to pay the bills like Australia have undertaken at some cost to our nation. Our starting point is to provide all the support to the IMF that is demanded. We have done that in the past, we will continue to do that in the future. But on this occasion it must be conditional from an Australian perspective. Wayne Swan has to get out of the Europeans a list of commitments that equates to real structural change in Europe that addresses the issue of entitlements and ensures that we're not simply subsidising the European way of life. TONY JONES: What if the United States and Canada refused, for example - refuse to contribute money to this firewall fund, should Australia go ahead and contribute under those circumstances? JOE HOCKEY: Well that's something that needs to be weighed up very carefully. Last year it was said to me emphatically in Washington that they were unlikely to contribute anything to the IMF going forward and particularly to support Europe. A similar message of concern about IMF support came out of Canada. There are significant issues here in Britain. But I'd say to you: we are a good international citizen, we believe in the IMF in Australia, but the fundamental point is that Europe has to undertake structural reform, and at the moment, they're not, they're not, and therefore it means the problem's gonna get worse. TONY JONES: Do you know how