they become a serious threat bomb and kill them in the future. What we are doing in Iraq and Afganistan is contain ment the idea that they could win either conflict while trying to protect civilian life is a joke. In an insurgency the civilians are the threat. " Exactly the point I wanted to make. Plus just look at the Russians experience in Afganistan. What was the outcome of their war there? A destroyed country, hundreds of thousends innocent dead, tens of thousends traumatised and crippled war veterans and a gigantic hole in the budget. It wasn't only the nuclear arms race that put an end to the Soviet empire. The Afgan war had its role as well. The west pays 3 times for the war in Afganistan. We pay our troops (and with our troops blood), we pay for the insurgents arms by buying their heroin and then we pay with humanitarian aid for the destruction and death that we wreack on the civilian population. For what? Kill thousands and spend billions to take revange for the 3000 people that died in WTC? Cos I can't see how a decade long war in Afganistan can prevent terrorists all around the world from planing and putting to life "another 9/11". THE WAR IS LOST...open your eyes. It's a new world and most of you just don't get it ..the days of subjugating other nations are long over. The Taliban, however distasteful they may be, have more right to govern