of the story for him, so I am going to go through this in some detail, at least the detail that the constraints of time allow me. Discipline and Punish begins with a very short chapter called "The Body of the Condemned", and this is in the period, I think 17th, 18th Century period... at this period in history basically takes place in France, but similar practices were also taking place in England and in other of the countries that were on their way from merchant capital to an advancing capitalism, but still this is pre-revolutionary France so you still have a king and France is run by the red and the black, you know, the red of the church and the black of the army, that's a famous novel by Stendhal for you people who still read novels, The Red and the Black ; it's worth reading. But in any case, The Body of the Condemned begins with a famous and hideous passage which if I read then this tape will probably be censored, and its about the way they killed people who committed horrible crimes. Now today when people commit horrible crimes they are on A Current Affair for three or four nights, right? Two or three books are written about them, they make a movie about them like " Silence of the Lambs ", and then they are locked away somewhere. That's where we are moving... that's where we move to, but let's start from where... how