as the voluntary exchange of goods. Dumbass." You have to eat. There is nothing voluntary about that. So you have to get food from somewhere or die. History and practice tells us that not everyone will be able to grow their own food. Actually, only few people can. The same for drinkable water. So you have to pay someone to eat and drink. If you eat and drink without paying, you will get to feel how voluntary the payment is. We could go on with a place to live, and transportation you need to earn your living to pay for the food. And obviously, you could move to some place where you do not have to pay taxes. Making paying taxes "voluntary" too. &gt;Well, maybe.[*] What I meant to point out was that it takes some chutzpah to describe taxation as armed robbery on a thread which is supposed to be anti-fanatical. Taxation is legalised plunder. It consists in taking forcibly from a person what properly belongs to him. The citizen has no choice at all in the matter. He has not consented to it. And if he fails to comply then he will be hauled off by armed men to be incarcerated in a cell. Is the foregoing 'fanatical'?. I don't see how. It's just a simple description of the situation. I should add that when my landlord raises rent, or just charges me rent to live there I do not accuse him of "holding me at gunpoint". I'm