to starting your job search, which is then figuring out what companies you're interested in and the people you know at those companies. And then being able to approach those people or go have informational interviews or sending out resumes knowing full well what the requirements and the qualifications are for different jobs and being able to speak to them intelligently. So I think job boards are all about information gathering as opposed to job getting. SARAH GREEN: And of course, there might be a bunch of jobs that aren't even posted on job boards. What kind of jobs do you think aren't ever posted on job boards? JODI GLICKMAN: You know, jobs that are not posted on job boards are positions that are A, either filled internally in an organization. And some organizations are required to post those publicly, but many are not. And so oftentimes, they're really interesting jobs that are either going to be filled internally through sort of the existing rank and file or again, through word of mouth of we're looking for someone for a new chief of staff role, or for a director of strategy role, or for a new hybrid role we're creating. And do you happen to know anyone? You know you ask your employees. There is a woman I know who I worked with recently who came from the nonprofit world, and she was doing grant writing and fund raising for a non-profit. And she was away for the weekend on