me, then, common sense. I am an advocate for public-private partnerships. In fact, fostering such relationships is part of my job. I also reject the false dichotomy you describe and the status quo. The Augustine Commission was very clear that our current path was unsustainable. I'm simply saying that arguing over what rockets we need outside of a discussion of what we're actually going to use them for is rather pointless. Exactly. Your little math display is all you can come up with? You have no legitimate response or counter argument to discredit my points. You have no basis or foundation from which to form your position. This is where I stand. EELV&gt;Falcon 9&gt;&gt; MSFC manage launch vehicles. And it is backed up by flight and project history. "Just out of curiosity, where do you think Ariane would fit in this list?" Ariane? You mean this french government subsidized commercial LV that stole most of the market? Like Airbus you mean? A LV mocked at the beginning since it was so passe when compared with Shuttle? You cannot be serious!... @Byeman: Get this through your head, Athos: SpaceX has flown nobody in space. Nobody. The National Aeronautics and Space Administration has- for nearly half a century. Any comparisobn between SpaceX and NASA is totally bogus. Americans know it. Congress knows it. Investors know it. The time for talk is over. It's time for SpaceX and their musketeers to shut up and fly. The world waits... and waits... and waits. I