it is not the magic answer -- but vaccination is not the magic answer either. We have to try to tackle this problem, however. We have to continue searching for a vaccine that will work and will not destroy our herds and prevent us from selling our product. We have to try this cull to see whether it can succeed. The costs are 100 million a year. We have to do something. This is robbing money from our hospitals, schools and roads. We are wasting taxpayers' money; we are pouring it down the drain. We have got to address this problem. The BVA has made it clear that there is no existing data to prove that badger vaccination has an impact on the incidence of BTB in cattle. Even if it does, it will have a much slower impact than the removal of badgers by culling. I want to say a few words on the impact of TB in Northern Ireland . We have spent 200 million in the last six years trying to eradicate the disease, but we have failed. We want to spend 20 million this year trying to do it, and we are going to fail -- and we are going to wipe out a number of our best milking herds. We also have criminals in Northern Ireland who deliberately try to infect herds so that they can get compensation. This problem has got to be addressed now. I hope the Government have got the guts to