a family outing, and she wound up meeting someone who works for an organization that funds entrepreneurs in the developing world. And these two women hit it off. Her name is let's just give her a new name. Her name is Debra let's say. And so Debra is the woman who is looking for a job. She just left a nonprofit. She meets this other woman who works for this organization that funds entrepreneurs. And the other woman, whose name escapes me, says to her, you know what? You would be perfect. We've got this new role, and we're looking for someone who can help us with development, marketing, positioning. And we need someone with great interpersonal skills who has a lot of the skills that you've developed in your previous role. I'd love to continue the conversation with you. And so what's so interesting to me that this woman Debra wound up finding out about a job that didn't really exist. She just happened to meet someone and be able to communicate her transferable skills and her experiences. So the position that she's ultimately interviewing for now, and that is in process as we speak, but the position she's interviewing for wasn't posted on the job board. SARAH GREEN: So we've talked now about job boards and about networking. Where else could you look to get new ideas about the kind of work that you might be interested in if you only knew that it existed? JODI GLICKMAN: That,