NATALE: No, these are facts. I have outlined a series of facts about the behaviour which these companies are engaged in. Mr Burgess : As I mentioned, when we are presented with facts as you have outlined today, we will review them and look at them. So I will take that on notice and come back to you with a comment on those issues. That is what you would expect. There are a lot of opinions about companies. People may have views about the way a company is operating and behaving. The key is to do research. The key is that our managers do research into that. We use a variety of world-class service providers to assess the corporate behaviour of these companies. I will have to take your discussion on those points on notice but we will review that for you and come back to you. Senator DI NATALE: This does not require extensive research. Most of this is actually a matter of public record. What about Philip Morris? If I started talking about the track record of Philip Morris, we would need a few hours, but they are the gold standard when it comes to denying the link between cigarettes and lung cancer. They have a systematic history of covering up evidence. They target young kids in their advertising. There have been very clear links demonstrated between pesticide use from that company and major birth defects. We now have $47 million in Philip Morris, with a 15 per