were asked what happens after people die. MEREDITH GRIFFITHS: Cardinal Pell said even atheists can go to heaven. GEORGE PELL: They'll be judged on the extent to which they have moved towards goodness and truth and beauty. But in the Christian view God loves everyone except those who turn his back, turn their back on him through evil acts. MEREDITH GRIFFITHS: They were asked if it's okay to tell a child that God doesn't exist. RICHARD DAWKINS: I would prefer to encourage a child to make up her own mind and to think about the evidence. What I think is not okay, what I think is deeply immoral is to tell a child that when she dies, if she's not good she's going to go to hell. That seems to me to be mental child abuse and an utter disgrace.