that... James Franklin : No, I'd like meaningful full stop. I wouldn't expect to give my life meaning to myself. Either life is meaningful full stop or it isn't, not meaningful to me. Peter Slezak : Oh, I don't accept that, I don't think it makes sense to talk about meaningfulness full stop, I mean, in the sense in which we worry about this. I'm following Nagel here, I think meaningfulness can only make sense in terms of one's own values and purposes and happiness, and if you're told that somebody else has purposes for you, that doesn't make my life meaningful. Alan Saunders : I sense profound disagreement here which I would very much like to explore, but we have to move on. I've left the worst till last, the worst argument in the world. James Franklin, your teacher David Stove claimed to have discovered the worst argument in the world. In fact, he ran a competition to see who could nominate the worst argument in the world and he was the judge and he gave the prize to himself. What is the argument? James Franklin : By worst he meant that it had to be extremely bad logically, and also it had to be very widely believed, and the argument, he says, is this: we can know things only as they are related to us, or under our forms of perception and understanding, or insofar as they fall under our conceptual schemes, or as we've been educated to