its going to change. Now if we continue on the path of CO2 emissions humans will indeed end in 150 years or so....so its our choice to do something about that, but clearly we have made that choice not to already. regards OK, so morally, you are bankrupt.....co2 predictions are following the worst case scenario....which 6.5deg C...at that we will be in a super warm period and the food chain will be gone, so will humans....but at 4deg C and agriculture will be gone so no society as such......any humans left will be scavengers...until we get to 6.5 ish.... regards Read it all, Chris, with your prejudices kept aside. If we are past peak energy (I'm with Martenson on that) then it's inflation via bidding for the essentials, and the discretionary spend will crash. I believe they call inflation and no-growth stagflation. If you think it's purely because the debt/credit graph couldn't keep going exponentially (you'd be right) but that peak energy hasn't happened yet, then you have to be in the Foss camp. Dow didn't hit 3600, houses didn't go up forever, and contrary to 'back to future's' predictions for 2012 we still don't have flying skateboards, but that flavour kool aid is fine, and those predictions/extrapolations were in no way loonie. .... the guys who wrote the book " Dow 36 000 " did so merely months before the NASDAQ collapse , when the dotcom bubble burst .... They were enamoured , to put it mildly , with