inherited views not capable of being fully understood by others, the same as people of other nationality and culture also relate to their homelands. Who would claim, for example, that an Australian might know better than a French person what it means to be French? And yet we are routinely expected to swallow the advice of those who pontificate it might somehow uniquely apply to the unsolicited betterment of all Australians. Trying to disown the once confident self-awareness of who and what we are is the cause of the current inability of Australians to unite in common good sense in a way they once found easy and natural. VivKay : 22 Dec 2010 5:56:29pm The population issue is different from the asylum seeker one. The two issues are being deliberately fuzzed by our governments, to use the refugee crisis as a smoke screen for the real source of our growth - economic immigration, and students! Asylum seekers and humanitarian sources make up only a few thousand of people each year settling in Australia. The REAL source of our population apply legally, mainly to buy into our property markets and supply labour educated at their own expense. It is time we faced sustainability issues realistically, and allowed some transparency on this debate. Australians like their open spaces, the countryside not too far away, families with back yards and room for leisure and good living. By overpopulating Australia, living standards will only deteriorate and costs increase. loadedm164me : 22 Dec 2010 5:55:03pm