thing. But it would have no relation to those who "had their eyes opened" when FTB critiqued various 'leaders'. The ironic thing is that the FfTB crowd have little influence in the wider A/S communities. In fact, they are looked down upon by most. The reaction at TAM2012 told you how the community does not follow the hard line set out by PZ, Watson, Ophelia, etc. But you are most certainly correct. There is an increasing number of former FTB sycophants who now realise just how abhorrent PZ, Watson, et al are. In due time, FTB will be consigned to the dustbin of history, and the atheist and skeptic communities will grow ever stronger. To be honest it doesn't surprise me the childish conniving that FTB does in "secret". They have desperately tried to establish a litmus test ever someone was had a proposal in an elevator. Don't listen to the idiots telling you to put your tail between your legs Thunderf00t. Call the douchbags out for what they are. They show more signs of cultish behavior rather than a diverse rationalist group. What I find most unnerving is the hyperbolic binary thinking that goes on at FTB on certain issues, like feminism. "If you're not in exact 100% lock step with us, you're a misogynist!" But also in this matter with Thunderf00t. Ashley Miller's comment in particular cranked the hyperbole up to 11, very disturbing, reminds me of Republican war rhetoric. Exacrly where did thunderf00t lie about kevin? You