a while and I was not disappointed with his presentation. As with many of the presenters he was quite open about the financial position of the business and the challenges that he faces. Two things in particular stood out. One was just how important safety is to them. Workplace accidents obviously cost them money and they have managed, through a combination of training, cultural change and constant monitoring, to get their accident rate down to industrial low levels. In fact, some of their sites have been accident-free for over a year. The second was how they actually measure the leadership team. They have a very open and competitive league table. And being on the bottom is not an issue in itself; how you get off the bottom is the issue. Much like our scorecards, a red starts a conversation which is all about how you are going to get off the bottom and execute your plan. Tony Gibson, the CEO of Ports of Auckland, let us see their business model and why it is important they have a change in the way the labour force works at the port. The final speaker was Brian Roche, CE of NZ Post Group. He has an interesting portfolio of companies -- Kiwibank, couriers and a postage service that is in rapid decline. His message was that NZ Post needs to innovate or die. I know we are doing our bit with our engagement at Kiwibank to make sure they continue. This is the