population at 23 million in line with the Australian Academy of Science findings. To obtain this option we would need to have zero net migration and phase out the baby bonus. http://www.populationparty.com/Home Last time I checked Kelvin Thomson was advocating a stable population at 26 million. This is easily obtained by reducing the total net migration rate from about 300 000 year (2009) to about 70 000 per year, same as we had in the 1980s. http://www.kelvinthomson.com.au/speeches\\... [14 Point Plan for Population Reform] Jeff : 22 Dec 2010 5:19:17pm Growing population directly impacts on quality of life regardless of infrastructure. Take the beach for example. Do you think a day at the beach is easier now than it was 40 years ago in a city with half the population? Do you think it will be easier 40 years from now with double the population again? The infrastructure issues are irrelevant in so much as they can put in high rise car parks and run trains directly to the foreshore, but they can't make more beach. Scrivener : 22 Dec 2010 4:54:44pm Well, if refugees will come and live as I do as an Australian pensioner who has lost his house and be prepared to eat poor food and go without essential medications, then fine. I only want for my desperate brothers and sisters what the government is prepared to give me after a lifetime of paying my taxes. Why can't Australia adopt the Iceland model of fiscal and financial governance.