average player. The Jays need guys who, with a bunch of 'ifs', would be star level players. Hill looked to be that at one time but now, realistically, isn't. Johnson still could be. Johnson has had oRAR's of 25+ 3 times while his dWAR has been from -0.2 to 0.8. Hill has been over 25 2 times but peaked in dWAR over 2 - his defense has always been a key part of his package and that 42 oRAR stands out like a sore thumb in his records while Johnson had 2 years at that level (38-40). In truth, neither catches me as a potential star at this stage. Both could've been, neither built up their talents enough to be and both are 30 this year. Either would've been a placeholder until someone else is ready or available. I wasn't arguing that Hill should have been kept, or that Hill is a great player.  My point is that Hill should not be slagged, nor should Johnson.  There is nothing wrong with "average".  No team has above-average players at all positions, and it really helps to have an average player instead of a replacement level player. To return to the point at hand, Hill was, and is, in a different position than Lind.  If Lind hits at his career norms, he is barely above replacement level. Both Thames and Snyder are going to, at this point in their careers, have hot streaks, cold streaks, warm streaks, and cool streaks.  Both of