get criminal prosecutions as a result of it.  So the level of flaw -- flaw -- flaw, if that's a word, here is huge. But here's the real answer as to gun control.  We have e-mail from people involved in this that are talking about using what they're finding here to support the -- basically assault weapons ban or greater reporting. So chicken or egg?  We don't know which came first; we probably never will.  We do know that during this -- this Fast and Furious operation, there were e-mails in which they're saying we can use this as part of additional reporting or things like assault weapons ban.  So the people involved saw the benefit of what -- what they were gathering.  Whether or not that was their original purpose, we probably will never know. And I -- and I take people at their word that this started off in some way as an idea where they could get good information, they could, in fact, roll up bad guys.  But after it was out of control and people are saying, we're letting too many guns walk, those kinds of e-mails occurred, we -- we have people who also were being opportunists. And, remember, Eric Holder issued a four-state  reporting for long rifles and used what he had had here.  Right in the middle of the scandal, he issues that for four states.  They never needed this information.  They never needed the reporting to get this information.  These federally licensed