and I had a meeting that week with Lord Justice Leveson, and it was one of the most extraordinary and depressing weeks, I think, in the history of the media. But it's important to point out that what happens in the UK, and what Lord Justice Leveson is looking at, is a million miles from what happens in Australia. I've been in this industry for a long, long time. I've never seen evidence of the hacking and some of the outrageous behaviour that took place in London. This is another argument run by opponents to a statutory right of privacy; the culture in the UK is nothing like the culture here so we do not need the UK's response to the problem here.  The point is, as the Australian Law Reform Commission report of 2008 (which was released long before the hacking scandal errupted) and earlier reports of the Victorian Law Reform Commission and its New South Wales counterpart, that there is a need to protection an individuals privacy as a right.  Common law protections have not been adequate nor are they developing to meet the changing social and technological environment. Damien Carrick : Two points: so, you're saying that the tabloid culture, the media culture, in the UK is very different from Australia, and what might be a way forward in the UK might not necessarily be a way forward in Australia. Peter Bartlett : Totally, totally different environment. Lord Justice Leveson is looking at a situation where the