Carolina and elsewhere also build or what? Our schools! Our hospitals! All of the places in which we want to keep, contain, and control docile bodies, docile social bodies. For this reason Foucault extends as a generalised critique of our society that it is in fact a prison. It is a carceral gulag , I mean, that's strong talk... that's strong talk. But if you think about my example of bulimia and anorexia, there is no prison that could lock a woman into more terror than that experience. There is no prison and no medieval torture that brings to mind this, sort of, slow death of the soul by degrees that a docile body suffers as it walks through all these routine and laid out paths of life being constantly observed and the current fascination with criminals, I view in the context of Foucault's work -- it's not that current, I mean in the 30?s they loved gangster movies too, but this fascination with criminals is the compensation the media culture pays to us because of our secret attraction to crime, not because of our fear of it. The attraction of crime is the attraction of someone who says "Hell no! I won't play that way anymore!" and I admit that one level we are afraid of criminals, we don't want to be hurt, people don't want to be hurt, I am not arguing that, that's not... the argument is at a whole other level of institutional rules and expectations.