to, and under Article 17 we have a right of privacy, so the same sort of balance has to occur. It hasn't yet occurred through the courts, that balance, but that's the next stage of the whole debate. Damien Carrick : So that context, the European Convention on Human Rights, is the rubric through which privacy cases have gone through the courts. There have been some very, very interesting ones; notably the Max Mosley News of the World case a few years ago. I think they filmed him engaged in a consensual sadomasochistic sex orgy with several hookers, and the courts ordered him something like 60,000 and an injunction. But then there have been other cases in recent times; I think there was a footballer, Rio Ferdinand, and the courts have been moving a bit away, more towards protection of freedom of expression as opposed to protection of privacy. In very brief terms, what was that case about? Michael Rivette : It's quite a controversial case, actually, because Ferdinand was involved in a relationship -- extramarital affair. He had previously had a history, but the impression had been created that he was somehow reformed, and what the court said was, 'Well, given his position, as captain, it was of public interest that they know this, because of the image that he had allowed to be projected that he had been actually reformed.' Damien Carrick : And indeed I think a previous captain had lost his job for a similar reason.