different from. We need to impose penalties on families with excessive children as they are the ones doing the most damage to our fragile Environment. We should pay people to adopt and not to breed. We should NOT be having paid parental leave. We should be encouraging less population, not more. We should dispell this myth of future generations supporting an aging population by encouraging people to save for their retirement and not "piss it up against a wall". We should adopt a less consumer oriented lifestyle and live a little more simply. But somehow I suspect we won't because we are too greedy so we will continue on our path to extinction. Sadly we will also take many other species with us. Dazza : 22 Dec 2010 6:34:19pm So, you suggest that people not have sex? How do you think children are produced? They are the product of an orgasm!! If you think there are unwanted children, have you ever heard of an unwanted orgasm??? I don't think so!!!! ateday : Featherfoot : 22 Dec 2010 7:33:08pm I dont agree that the refugee issue is a red herring or calculated to be such.It is a seperate issue of illegal immigrants breaching our borders whenever they wish,with no consequences except a period of detention to establish their level of threat.Its obvious that many are not genuine refugees but merely people seeking a better life through the back door.Genuine refugees from so called war torn countries dont complain about broken air