is how generous people are when they have been rejected. This is not about sour grapes. It is about doing things properly -- not just for the good of the profession (although, heaven knows, that's important enough) but because it is right . I don't very much care how it is 'out there'. I don't care if a Judge, be it a Magistrate or a Lord Justice of Appeal wants to be petulant and behave towards litigants like a spoiled child. The only thing one learns from experiences like that is that the Judge in question is a fool. That even people paid a lot of money to do an important job can misbehave is utterly unconnected with how Barristers ought to regard those who have spent time and money trying to join the profession. But I will make you a deal. You will get your Chambers to offer a place to anyone who suffers from making a complaint. And I will advertise that fact, invite people who are applying to Chambers who treat them badly to make a formal complaint and make sure that the BSB properly investigates. Or, as an alternative, you can complain. The culture needs to change. That isn't entirely a matter for Chambers, and things could be made easier (especially if the people designing the PP website are made to listen to the profession). But we are the ones in control and we need to look to ourselves first, before criticising others. Just to endorse