you like (and you do) but the issue is really quite simple.  People are angry, twisting words to insinuate that they actually voted for this is insulting in the least. persephone says: 02:19pm | 14/09/11 Syl I'm with Farr - this isn't a carbon tax, therefore GIllard did not lie. In the same interview where she ruled out a carbon tax (which was clearly defined by Abbott during the CPRS discussions as a price you personally would pay to the ATO on purchases and claim back at the end of the year) she said she would impose a carbon price. She's imposing a carbon price. People are angry because they've been lied to, yes. But the lying did not come from the government, which has consistently said that they're pricing carbon, not taxing it. PTom says: 02:42pm | 14/09/11 Syl, No your wrrong. The winning party did say they would introduce a Carbon Price scheme and that is what they are doing. Companies wil have to pay for permits to emitt which they can either not pay be reducing their emission or sell to a third party. I don't see a tax in there. Chris L says: 03:51pm | 14/09/11 @Syl - That quote you remember where Gillard said there'd be no carbon tax actually has more to it that people edit out. Gillard went on, in the same sentence, to say there would be a carbon price. Even Andrew Bolt pointed this out on the eve of the election.