consistent with previous literature summarized in Whitehead and Whitehead (1999), which derived a stability for OSA 20x that of SSA. On the basis of the adolescent data only, one would have to echo the late '90s folk wisdom which opined rather simplistically that " former gays outnumber gays". The amount of change going on is so remarkable that we must ask why people who have changed from SSA are so invisible? Four reasons at least: they are embarrassed about their previous attraction and don't want to talk about it; any disclosure could wreck a current heterosexual relationship; disclosure would subject them to pressure from and interrogation by those who insist change cannot occur; they hope and believe their current heterosexual orientation is now stable -- and, according to the data it probably is. There is therefore a vast hidden reservoir of changed orientation in society, only revealed by surveys such as that of Savin-Williams and Ream. One inescapable conclusion is that clinical samples of homosexual/bisexual people who find change nearly impossible, may well be expressing what is valid for them, but their experience does not at all reflect the norm in society. * However there are inevitable problems -- frequently interviewees in the first wave could not be located again, and those who were not available might have been mostly same-sex attracted, for example, and this would skew the statistics significantly. This type of problem always crops up in surveys -- for example, what is the sexual orientation of those