The 'mail-list' managers simply forgot, or didn't know, how to ban him. 1) No, it wasn't. It was a public press conference that Stein's PR firm manipulated by not allowing reporters to ask questions. There was nothing private about it. One of the worst ways to have a private conversation is by inviting reporters to listen in and write about it. Dumb statements by Ken: 1 for 1. 2) Stein's people announced the call in number over the non-private phone conference. PZ called in, made comments, and then published them on his blog. Again, this was a press conference called by a PR firm working for Stein, there was never any intent to keep that private. Dumb statements by Ken: 2 for 2. 3) No, that's not what happened, you made it up. And TF was removed from the network. Regardless of how he got in, he violated a federal statute by evesdropping and gather private correspondences from a network he did not belong to. Here's the statute: Keep on rocking, tf00t! The FTBullies are a gang of shameless hypocrites! If I were you, I'd publish EVERYTHING. No mercy! But hey, I don't live in a country where you get life in prison for spilling your coffee either. You have my support! While the way you obtained the E-mails is morally questionable, as far as I know, you used them to inform a person that his job might be in peril, without giving away personal information of the people who