about a lot of things, particularly the environment, and I spoke to Margaret at length in the lead-up to this Archibald and said "if I do win I want to talk about the environment and the fact there are people who still deny humans have anything to do with it". She said "Ben, I agree, it's ridiculous. I wouldn't even address it because they don't deserve the time". But I said to her, it's like denying Aboriginal people the vote. That's how it will be seen in years to come. Like the flat-earthers. Exactly the same. It's bizarre that I'm living here now and seeing it happen, and I just want to muzzle them and say "you guys are doing intense damage to my grandchildren's lives and it's time you stopped." Did you do this painting at Margaret's house? No, I actually made a steel-plate etching of Margaret. The marks that are on her face that are contained inside that shape, I actually did a hard-ground etching with a scribe and I just put in these little tiny marks and I wanted to leave her face blank. In fact, my idea was to leave even less marks on her face, the purest couple of little marks just to define her face. It's hard for me to stop. The plate did that really. I also took photos and did some drawings. But scribing those marks, particularly that left eye, it's Margaret. When I looked at it I thought , "I've drawn