will have it, which I found extraordinary. I mean women have abortions because they don't want to have the baby, not because a method is available, not b. So he continued to show absolutely no understanding of why women make these decisions. LIZ JACKSON (to Tony Abbott): You said in your speech in Parliament that you wanted to make clear that you don't judge a woman who's had an abortion. Yet at the same time you said 100,000 women choose to destroy their unborn babies every year, that a grave decision has been reduced to one of a woman's convenience, and the legacy of this is one of unutterable shame. Can you see why women might feel that you are judging them for having an abortion, and indeed, judging them harshly? TONY ABBOTT: I'm not, because Liz, there must be a million, maybe two million Australian women who are in that position, including people who I know extremely well. Now, the last thing I would want to do is to make a harsh judgement or to be judgemental in any way about people who are wrestling with an incredibly difficult situation. LIZ JACKSON: But you described the decision they made as one of convenience that led to a legacy of unutterable shame. How could you... TONY ABBOTT: Well, I think... LIZ JACKSON: Could women not feel that that is judging them and judging them harshly? TONY ABBOTT: Liz, I think it is a tragedy that we have as many abortions