ruling something out blanket fashion shouldn't be an option as long as its safe for those concerned. If you were coaching high end athletes then perhaps you could safely do this, but as always it's about what's appropriate for the person you're working with. Certainly more or less no holiday skier would be able to do this safely as they just don't get enough time on skis to get to and maintain the necessary skill level and skiing related fitness. But a coach working long term with a high end performer is another thing potentially. Please note that after my comment about GS'ing bumps I put in a couple of smileys, it was a tongue-in-cheek comment. After all it is free After all it is free As I like to have my own skis rather than hire (and I don't want to open that old can of worms), can't justify buying numerous pairs of skis and have aspirations to do more off piste skiing, I ski on 101 mm Shoguns although the current reality is I spend more time on piste and to the side of the piste than proper off piste. (hope to rectify that the coming season ). I guess they're mid-fat rather than fat. I absolutely love the skis and they seem to handle pretty well whatever the piste conditions. The argument is made that if you are a good skier you don't need "fat" skis for off piste - perhaps the opposite is also true You'll