express ourselves through music. And it was five years ago that we started to join the dots from UK industrial stuff and contemporary things... JA: We'd shared records with each other ever since we first met, and I think that exchange always gives you a level of trust, man. You obviously have your own things that you're into, and sometimes you part, for a year or whatever but we always come back to one another. There's always been a sort of mutual respect for one another, musically, so you join a few dots, as he said, and you start to get a great deal of inspiration. Also, there's a level of desire about what you want to hear and see happen in music. We're obsessive record collectors, and so there's a huge amount of time when you're a fan, where people are creating and you're consuming. And a lot of that time you're waiting for someone to make the next thing, and I think there came a point when were like, "Fuck man, I'm not quite hearing what I want to hear", or "That's incredible - maybe that vibe or acoustic idea has been lost. Why don't we feel confident enough to join some dots?" Which is such a terrific feeling. &lt;.b&gt;Your album was preceded by, I think, three 12"s and several mixes and mix tapes. How do you feel you've evolved from the first release up until now? JA: I think we've evolved quite a lot, but stylistically I