his claim. I'm sorry if I've misunderstood your position. I give up. Dave and Tifosa can have it their way. Let's subject Zimmerman to the expense and hassle of a trial, disrupting his and his family's life for however long it takes regardless of what we know to this point. I am going to bed. Scott, DRJ, SPQR and the rest, good luck. I don't believe that any logical assumption or listing of the corroborating circumstances (injuries that match independent wit statements) are going to change their minds. There is often quite a big difference between what is in a newspaper story and what's in the real world. All sorts of thing, that people actually in contact with the facts know, do not get picked up, at least for sometime, or only glimmers get picked up, and you may have to dig deep through reports to find them -and they get picked up, sometimes, and then lost. One thing we can say from this, is that things can't go anywhere, until people get deposed and put under oath. Not that everybody will tell the truth but at least we'll get some clear. This got started because the boy's father (and mother) were just told that the boy had been shot and killed and there would be no further investigation. But the boy had no criminal record, and his parents didn't know him to start up a fight, and he had no gun, and he had nothing stolen or unexpected on