Regards, Cameron Spink RESISTANCE THINKING CO-ORDINATOR Zannah 11.10.12 / 12pm Thanks Bill, for repeating Guy's comments on gay marriage from way, way back. I'd been looking or them, to show a friend who thinks Guy's stance is new and just jumping on the current bandwagon. As for the rest ... well, it was predictable that the Herald Sun piece would bring Christians of the creepy variety out of the woodwork to pass judgment. Zannah Lee Daniel Hagen 11.10.12 / 12pm Sorry Steve Swartz, "What God saves God preserves eternally" is not the clear teaching of scripture. What is clear is that Jesus said you shall know them by their fruit. It is clear that guy is on his way to hell unless he repents of sin, his false religion and doctrines of devils. Guy has got a free will and it is clear that he does not want the Jesus of the Bible. 1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; It has been clear for a number of years now that guy has come into the above category. If he ever was in the faith he has now clearly departed the faith. This may not be the proper place to get into a detailed debate on a rather complex theological issue, namely the question of the perseverance of the saints. Those who argue you can fall away will see this