that shows that? BRUCE BILLSON: No, it's a simple fact because we? TIMOTHY MCDONALD: Well, how it is a simple fact? I mean you're saying is a simple fact. Don't you have studies or research to back it up? BRUCE BILLSON: Ah no, you're getting a little confused about who's implementing the carbon tax, Timothy. It's actually the Government's carbon tax and they're the ones that have failed to do any research? TIMOTHY MCDONALD: Yeah, but you're the one making the claim that it's going to go right through the chain. BRUCE BILLSON: Well, if you'd let me answer your question, Sir, rather than just prattle on I can point you quite simply to the correspondence that's being received by small business from their suppliers. TIMOTHY MCDONALD: For big business at least it doesn't seem to be a huge problem. Woolworths says there won't be price hikes when the carbon tax begins to bite.