no one is saying anything because we are still getting our heads around it and the issue is uncomfortably close to another player ( think we all know who). Point is, maybe its time to start facing reality and embrace this guy long term as a real find who can win us test matches. He seems to have some humility about him and seems to respect the jumper. Just some thoughts Blinky Bill of Bellingen Totally agree about a bit of praise for Mike. How long have we lamented that 'if only we had a 80% goal kicker'? Then along comes this bloke and we all assume the 'ho hum' posture. We may well have lost in Rosario without him. I'm not sure of his best position but I reckon he was pretty reasonable at 13 and not too bad at 15. He has some size and good hands. Not sure about his speed and defence but he scored a try of Beale's pass in Africa. Rob I've never understood the hype behind JOC as a kicker. Something I've noticed with Aussie kickers is that when they get a kick from a tough angle we are all suprised. When carter, steyne, wilkinson miss from the sideline we are honestly surprised. JOC is mud. Harris is a great kicker, but I don't think the rest of his warrants a starting spot. Not test quality. Fletch JOC is mud ?? -- u may not regard him as a kicker but mud is