more closely you examine it the more easily you can pick out the shoddiness of the construction. Landscapes can be beautiful until you start walking over them, tripping over the bark and rocks. Meanwhile we all discuss the presented news, pretending it is a facsimile of the truth. What else would we talk about? Jonathan Holmes: The left-right debate is very wearying. Can I contribute something different? Scott quotes Wislawa Szymborska about Isaac Newton and Marie Curie. It reminded me of that wonderful sentence attributed to Sir Isaac Newton: I do not know what I may appear to the world, but to myself I seem to have been only like a boy playing on the sea-shore, and diverting myself in now and then finding a smoother pebble or a prettier shell than ordinary, whilst the great ocean of truth lay all undiscovered before me. peter of mitcham: Alpo: 14 Jun 2012 12:45:22pm I agree Jonathan, but on the other hand, let's not forget that Newton was mainly interested in understanding the world. The left/right dialectic is not going to go away any time soon, as it involves people (from all sides) who are interested in "changing the world". ursus augustus: ABC: 14 Jun 2012 12:01:21pm The government should get out of the media industry fullstop, why should tax payers pay for it we get enough rubbish from free to air. If we are into SBS and other media then they should be put out to pasture as well. Harquebus: Tom1.: