the front adjusting sliders are bulkier plastic which, when combined with the bulkier thick elastic that is doubled up there, may show more easily under a shirt. I've tried the 2-point model, but they just tend to interfere with whatever's on my belt. thx for telling me your experience and for the clarification about the RnT suspenders being all elastic. I don't like shoulder holsters b/c, even w/ very light guns, having stuff on my shoulders often irritates my neck. I have some neck problems and am prone to have tension head/neck aches. I guess if I get Y back type I'll get the original industrials since I am not looking for continuous load support w/ the suspenders. Are the perry 2 point suspenders all elastic or just a little near the bottom or what? A few times, mostly when helping my dad work, I have worn bib overalls and found them to be extremely comfortable when working b/c I don't have to struggle w/ the waste band shifting around on me during all the moving around. I guess I am sort of looking for something similar. I've been experimenting w/ some light Y back dress suspenders I have. I wear a cross draw snub nose at 10:30 and a knife at 3:00. Putting the front two clips in a normal type position causes interference w/ the grips of the weapons. To preclude this I have to put the clips at 9 and 3 o'clock. If I were to do