finally a thread that will start some fights Man, am I happy to see this thread, it has been really boring on here for a while, with nobody starting any real fights about anything. You rock!!! I just hope that you are writing this from work (from the timing of the post this is entirely possible), because that would show that you are truly integrating into the culture, and complaining on company time, "good-on-ya" is the proper term I think! I will be watching this thread with much anticipation to see who comes on to say "yeah, I'm a slacker, but put a lot of time into perfecting it", or the opposite: "no wonder I am so tired, I am carrying the whole office". Should be interesting, so I hope everyone takes a good long break on work time to throw some petrol on this fire that this thread is trying to start. Don't worry, I have a backup plan. If this thread doesn't take off enough, we might try to compare this "work ethic problem" to some poor performance by a local sports team (doesn't matter which one, because someone will get worked up about whichever one we choose), and then just sit back and watch the fireworks. P.S. don't take me too seriously, I am just joking around (but am very serious about the potential excitement in this post (and my apparent overuse of parentheses)). Has anyone noticed that most Australians tend to work quite long hours, i.e.