San Francisco Charter Conference? SCHEFFER: Okay. I'm not so sure that I want to codify a watering-down of the standard. I'm perfectly prepared to work with the standard as it exists, but to apply it and to interpret it, with good faith and with good effort, multilaterally with everyone else. In other words, I'm just not -- Jeff, I hear your question, but I don't think I would want, if I was in a position of authority, I wouldn't want to use all of my political capital and my time to try to rewrite the rules. I think the rules are, generally speaking, workable. But we have to accept that because of the march of time and new threats that are out there, we're going to have to adjust. And when we do adjust, we're going to have to explain ourselves with transparency and occasionally take risk that someone will determine that, in fact, we're not in compliance. But I think that's an issue we can get beyond if we work it prudently. WAXMAN (?): I have just a -- I'll be brief. I have just a slight disagreement with David on that, is that I don't think we really ought to rewrite a lot of the rules. But I think that some of them can be subject to interpretation. Of course, as we all know these days, talking about any reinterpretation is a dangerous thing. (Chuckles.) But the rules on self-defense -- traditionally, if you couldn't defend except against