femininity, to the point of crippling their own self-expression. Steersman, I need to know something. .... Are you aware that [Deleted User Name] was a) referring to the Sagan book and b) was the "really amazing boyfriend" she refers to in the last one you quoted? She banters with the "really amazing boyfriend" throughout the rest of the thread. Read it. I thought it likely that it was the book, but the context wasn't really all that helpful in confirming that. But I did take a look at the 27 posts of hers that I could see and none of them led me to the conclusion that [Deleted User Name] was her "really amazing boyfriend". But I could be mistaken, although I'm not quite sure what relevance it has. Also... if you really think that the banter she displays is abnormal of 15-year-olds, I've got a story for you .... Kids these days ... know a hell of a lot. It's extremely normal, at least in my experience, for 15-year-olds (and younger, and older) to have quite a lot of knowledge about sex and sexuality ... That was sort of my point, that Rebecca Watson's portrayal of her as some totally innocent naf savaged, verbally if not physically although Watson seems unclear on the difference, by a bunch of Neanderthals was not particularly accurate and was not taking due cognizance of that level of sexual knowledge you refer to. Not to mention that it suggested that she had an axe