finding a way forward? I also initially thought Clare had been misinformed and was saying creators of Creative Commons licenced art believe everything should be free. Clare: could you perhaps edit the post and clarify what you mean? I don't think everyone will read all the comments. I'm assuming you're referring to a couple extremists somewhere (where??) rather than labelling the entire open source movement as copy right infringers. The movement after all wouldn't exist without copyright protecting it. You've been *ace* so far at starting dialogues. Thanks for your time considering the issues and consulting with so many people. I hope you keep talking to more non-extremists from the creative commons and/or open source movements. Many thanks for this and other very thoughtful posts on this topic. I must admit, that like others here, I misinterpreted these words: There's a real tension in the online community driven by the people who believe pretty much wholesale in open source and creative commons, i.e. everything belongs to everyone. Hmmm, I think not. I would be happy to clarify the details to the Labour party, but the point is *not* that the Copyright belongs to everyone. In fact, the freedoms guaranteed by licences like the GPL and CC rely on copyright belonging to someone who has made certain guarantees (through the licence) that the user freedoms can never be removed. As I said, I would be more than happy to clarify this and other issues regarding open source software if that would