in a big room, we would take a couch and stand it on its side and make a baffle for that amp to sound different, you know? That was a lot of fun -- kind of empowering, in a way -- to hear something and not have it be what you want it to be, so figuring out how to change it. That was a really fun experience. It's not that we didn't enjoy that or wanted something different, but that was a completely independent record. Working with New West, and making this record with someone as experienced as John Agnello who produced the album, it does allow the band to focus on performing, on being the best drummer, or singer, or guitarist, or bass player we can be. When you have a veteran like John worrying about things like mic placement or "getting a different perspective on this sound" and doing things we are capable of but can work together on, it's very different. Like 180 degrees different. To get to work with someone like John or any of the producers we have worked with over the years is so educational. Watching them work only makes us better, and will give us tools for the next time we record. SCENE IN THE DARK : John Agnello has worked with Bob Dylan, Mick Jagger , and a load of huge names. Is it intimidating going into something like that? Julian Dorio : It would have been if he wasn't the