a day reinforcing their conclusions with all sorts of obscure philosophical treatises. Pay my rent and then I'll dedicate some time to meeting your discussion criteria. Until then I guess you'll just have to be the rational one. olo can we discuss the steps in which to bring about the usage of this discussion chart? ttp://twitter.com/Erikhaspresence Erik Stinson achieved a positive outcome when using this method in a meeting with a client loader Nice, but your rules for rational discussion kind of suck. Brandon scott gorrell surprising/ worrying to see people actually coming out against reason JohnsReates Reason is subjective. Gene I have several bones to pick, but with the first one: "Can you envision anything will change your mind on the this topic?" Let's say you say, "No", but agree to discuss in the interests of having an open mind and maybe discovering something you -don't already know-. Is that not rational? uh Everyone will hate you. Good luck with that. Brandon scott gorrell If you say "no" to "can you envision anything that will change your mind on this topic" but then say "i will have an open mind and maybe discover something I don't know" then I don't know how that's any different from actually believing that you are in fact envisioning something that will change your mind on the topic. I don't think "changing your mind" necessarily indicates "a complete 180? in terms of a belief. It could also just mean a modification or a number