to the problems they have caused with their multiculturalism when they began arriving in about 1788!!! lulu : 23 Dec 2010 2:04:52am Interesting to finally be reading this type of conversation. For me, as just one type of person, environmental science degree, work in natural resource management, a would be greenie, but simple maths dictates my actions ... as long as population is deliberately being increased I just plain don't bother to recycle, save water or electricity ... just like I don't bother trying to hold back the tide with my bucket, at the beach. Phil : 23 Dec 2010 11:44:27pm "This a soft sell for the Governments lies on population and immigration". [John] True enough, but I think its fair game considering that in a public forum you can point that out. ABC forum goes are likely lab rats anyway, so Webb's client(s) can fine tune their pro-population-growth spin and rhetoric, to see what rubbish they can get away, so they can fool the wider public. Denis Frith : 22 Dec 2010 10:15:43pm This discussion of the population issue is distorted by the general failure to recognize a simple physical principle. The operation of the systems of our civilization entails irreversibly using limited natural resources and degrading the environment at a high rate. We have already used up a high proportion of our oil but the current population is still using it at a high rate. Soil fertility is being badly degraded. Population growth will only increase these rates