4 pilots, 3 of them on a "Cloud" colored IP6, one on a "Rioja". Two different days, one mainly blue, the other mainly overcast. The two full stalls around 07:00 are the first ones on day two - my first one (I'm on the Cloud with the Genie Race 2) in quite a while. Like Lukas says, I dabbled too long in that range between stable back flight and regular flight, spun the glider, and took a moment until I had it at a place where I felt comfortable letting it fly again. After that, with a quicker brake release, it got much better and started being a lot of fun. Thanks, nice videos, did you make any full speed collapses with no or delayed pilot input? It's quite different if you know exactly when and which side will collapse. In real life, sometimes (worst case scenario) we get surprised by a collapse, delay the release of speed bar, delay the brake action etc.. So it would be nice to see how the wing behaves in such situations. _________________ Uros Bergant http://www.condorsoaring.com In my case, I never managed to pull a useable collapse the whole day. Working out more at the gym now, so hopefully next year it'll work. Some managed asymmetric deflations where thy let it turn into it for half a turn or so, and then stabilized direction and worked on turning it the other way. A matter of training, but it worked more often than not. Uros,