a patent issue, not a copyright issue. And that's a whole different discussion. It's not a black an white world Aaron. I am certain neither of us will ever be completely satisfied with the way it operates...whether copyright, trademark or patent. Thanks for clarifying and for retaining your respectful intellectual discourse. We are in agreement about patents then. The copyright bargain is a balance between trying to figure out what is just for creators so that we are fairly treated and have continued motivation to keep creating but so that the general public can flexibly access, use, modify, and share things. The issue of copyright is finding the right balance for the best overall interests of everyone. The question is what amount of control achieves the best balance. It is an open question, but a productive discussion shouldn't start by presuming that creators have full control by default. The default is that whoever you are, creator or reader, you do whatever you feel like doing with whatever objects and ideas you have. When your actions cause problems for others, then we work to figure out a balance that is fair. There's no basis to start with the default that readers cannot copy or modify or share. If we are to restrict reader's copyright, we must do so because we have just reason, such as motivating or compensating creators. I always appreciate those, like you, who can have a discussion and maintain civility and respect throughout. Thank you. Yes, we are