Converting to mono is definite area of weakness of mine and are there any hints, tips, tricks or tutorials that you provide me with. Currently I just de-saturate and then play with levels, contrast etc but they never have that pizazz that I'm looking for. Using this method seems to increase noise levels as well. Dave, I remember when you did the orignal conversion of the equestrian image on my home page (the one of water jump entitled 'Leap of Faith') but my conversion was nowhere near as good. I also recall some images you took at an airshow I believe and they were excellent. Help! Hi hacker I am no expert in black and white conversion but I have found a book that I can recommend its BLACK AND WHITE EXPERT by MICHAEL FREEMAN it does not give you a walk through but explains the various ways to get the effect you want hope this helps in some small way There is an OLD tutorial that I wrote quite a while ago that covers this subject in basic to medium detail available here . Have a look at it incase it includes something that you were not aware of and if you have any questions just shout. I know that there is a series of new articles and tutorials in the pipeline that are much more detailed and should be easier to follow but unfortunately they are not quite ready yet. In the mean time I am sure that