so much. It's the other level, I think, but hopefully the records work on both levels. Do you find it hard to adapt your music to a live setting? TH: Recently we've recorded a lot more live instrumentation, and that's really helped in terms of how it works when we play if live. Our early stuff was a lot more sample-based and now we've moved towards live instrumentation. JA: Live, it's always been a sort of mix of live editing and live structuring, loops, etc. You're not making a drum pattern live, you're playing a loop. We love it, and for the last show we did we had friends make a video especially for us to use. They got in touch with quite a famous modern dancer, who's got a quite extraordinary body, and went to a disused warehouse in Portugal to film for three days and night. They created this fucking bonkers visual element, and now it really feels like the two are working together. We're really aesthetically led anyway, and now it feels like a real show, rather than just a couple of dudes behind laptops. How did you come to start making music together and to found Raime? TH: We've known each other for a long time, since we were teens, and had been making music independently. It wasn't until four or five years ago that we realised we had kind of shared visions and that actually we wanted to get closer to a voice and to