know the cost of everything if not it s actual value May hold a referendum if he is convinced he will win it and loose the election so that someone else can clean up after him. The people may like the idea of leaving the EU but they wont like the reality - bit tlike they like th eidea of less car journeys till it is suggested they do the less bit. As we "discussed" last night, its all academic anyway. Pigface is right. NZ will thump Wales and the EU (in current format) won't exist by 2015 anyway. So the referendum idea will be redundant anyway. As usual the Eurocrats will be 12-24 months behind the real action. I can't vote in the UK but would vote "in". Whatever you decide I'm still in as long as France is in. I think the EU needs an overhaul. The Starbucks saga is just a visible example of countries and businesses (ab)using current EU law to gain unfair advantage. Either the EU needs greater power to properly level the playing field, or individual states need more power to stop corporates abusing the current laws. So, more or less but not what we have now.