possible to have a rational discussion about how to have one because eventually we'd would reach something axiomatic and nobody would be able to envision anything that would change our minds about it. Brandon scott gorrell When someone asks someone else, for example, who their ideal lover would be with "Describe your ideal lover" or "Can you envision what your ideal lover" I think a very traditional/ normal response is to go about describing that person's properties and personality traits, what that person would do, how s/he would act. I think a person rarely says, like, "It's Todd," or something. When one envisions something unknown I think one does not envision the exact specifications of that thing or is able to somehow produce a line by line description of the minute details of that thing but instead can only describe what it might look like and how it might sound or whatever. I don't understand how I have not envisioned something but if you think envisioning something unknown is knowing exactly what that unknown thing will be and then describing it exactly (and if that's the way like, everyone would take it -- if that's the typical interpretation) then maybe the creator of the flowchart could have used a better verb. But like why even take the time to argue over that? Because I feel like that's very obviously far away from the author's intended point, which was just to say "Are you willing to be proven wrong if some