and what they tell you regardless of the facts about how things actually work. Listen that's fine with me. Do whatever you want. I am okay with that and it's all good with me. Faith-based economics need not apply. ;) But when you talk about out of nothing money are you talking about legal out of nothing or illegal? legal. It's how the economy works. Ex nihlio operations, etc. Are you saying i need faith the feds operate an illegal operation? no. all money has always just been "created" out of thin air. Back in the day it was the magic of a government stamp on a coin that "made" money. Today it's the Federal Reserve Note printing or an electronic transaction from the Fed to banks and then to those banking clients, etc. It's the way currency creation works the world over. What's illegal is when someone else does it, not the government. So you can conclude that in a sense the government is using force and coercion upon you to live and function in this society. I know it's tough to swallow but I think we can all get over that sooner than later and make the most out of things today. It really can work out in the greatest favor of all concerned if we just thought about it a bit more and observed alot more. ;) Deficit spending impossible? Why? I don't know. You tell me. I was thinking that your whole line of argument is