here are the options. [img[http://www.giffmex.org/images/donec\\... [[Special note for users of Internet Explorer]] [[Tips for making Mozilla Firefox run faster]] Why, golly gee whillickers, you both can and may. Depending on which MainMenu you already have, follow the instructions already given to add the missing menu, either a [[topmenu|How do I remove the left-hand menu of a typical TiddlyWiki and create a top menu for it?]] or a [[left-hand menu|How do I remove the top menu and have a normal left-hand menu?]]. Now what you need to do is decide which menu will draw its information from the MainMenu tiddler, and which menu will draw its information from a tiddler menu that you create, let's call it ~SecondMenu. Create the Tiddler SecondMenu and add a few random menu items to it, like {{{[[TabTags]]}}} and {{{SiteUrl]]}}}. Save the tiddler. Now in PageTemplate, if you have made the adjustments above, you should see the following lines: &lt;!--{{{--&gt; &lt;!-- horizontal MainMenu --&gt; &lt;div id='topMenu' refresh='content' tiddler='MainMenu'&gt;&lt;/div&gt; &lt;!--original MainMenu menu--&gt; &lt;div id='mainMenu' refresh='content' tiddler='MainMenu'&gt;&lt;/div&gt; &lt;!--}}}--&gt; In either the second or the fourth line above you are going to replace {{{tiddler='MainMenu'}}} with {{{tiddler='SecondMenu' }}}. If you want the menu items you placed in ~SecondMenu to be in the top menu, then modify the second line above. If you want the ~SecondMenu menu items to appear in the left-hand menu, then modify the fourth line above. When you save and close PageTemplate you should see both menus, one containing the ~MainMenu contents and one containing ~SecondMenu contents.