pre-capitalist days, this interest in criminals has continued on into the present. I mean they still haven't found a way to discipline and punish that have totally drained us of our interest in criminals, as you know from watching any television. Even if you hate it, you have got to know this. I mean, I think that Time-Life now is going to put out a series of books -- I am not denouncing them for it -- on criminals, but this is nothing new, right? These are things that excite us as the normal because they break up the regime of normalcy and show it in a way for what it is. I mean just as the king wrote his punishment on the body of condemned; the mute body of the prisoner -- even if he said nothing -- spoke volumes about the institutional rules that would put that practice in place... that would put that practice in place. Well anyway, that practice was abandoned, it has been a while since we have drawn and quartered anyone although when you listen to some of the latest rhetoric about law and order I don't know how much longer it will be before we will be drawing and quartering people again, but anyway, that practice for at least the present has been abandoned and it's replaced, according to Foucault, by what he calls "generalised punishment". It's very interesting. The French word might lead us to believe that this is a sort of