Boy, as someone who really wanted some advice from DaveAngel who claimed that he had been through what we all went through and claimed that he had many books for us all and had found a way to combat the battles that were going on inside of him, I'm pretty (okay very) dissappointed that his posts have descended into those of a little two year old.  Dave, your posts aren't "a little irony" they're completely childish and unhelpful.  Can we get back to you being a voice of reason and (supposed) honesty for us all?  Even if a little harsh, that was rather much better than all this silliness and I'm still waiting for your book recommendations and for your insight which I have (so far) personally found valuable.  Please stop with these silly emails. Oh, and NR, yes you may lose SallyAnn, but you know what, YOU NEVER HAD HER IN THE FIRST PLACE.  Not like you want and not like you think.  I know that I never had J now.  Not like I want.  Not like I thought.  I never was in a real relationship with her and always knew that my wife was there waiting for me at home.  I got passion and excitement from J and stability at home.  I had it all, but honestly wasn't giving anything and wasn't in EITHER relationship. Now I'm in exactly the same position as you.  With my wife, who if nothing else, I have come to love and respect