and do their bidding regardless of the wishes of their electors. Kelvin Thompson is the only federal MP with his finger on the pulse on this issue. Lindsay Cooper : 23 Dec 2010 10:35:44am The main people to blame for this confusion is our own politicians like "Our political leaders need to enter into a frank, honest and open conversation with Australians about our current and future population levels." In real life our politicians are not open and honest about anything and we the public go along with the secrecy crap they that they dish out. They are idiots and we are the morons.! Good mix. Increase populations suit big businees, big business donate very well to political parties. What else do you need to know.??? Reader1 : 23 Dec 2010 10:14:50am "Without community permission to move forward, the population growth that business and policymakers are calling for will not be delivered." It doesn't have community permission at the moment yet it keeps on happening. The aim and the difficulty is to have the wishes of we the people and Ross Gittens respected in this. Though I do think we are better off for the diversity we are reaching a nadir in terms of numbers. Population growth is not the shot in the arm for the economy that we are told it is. It must be only special interest lobbyists that are actually calling for it. Brian Duckworth : 23 Dec 2010 10:05:18am There are two issues in this discussion