infanticide based on the fact that it is practiced in the netherlands... now thats a good "support piling" on which to base morality... "theyre doing it, so it must be ok, so why dont we do it too !!" may i also remind you julian that a country right next door to the netherlands remains UNBELIEVABLY FAMOUS WORLDWIDE for its supposed programs of post-natal abortion; perhaps youve even heard of this country and of its post-natal abortion programs. the country was known as "nazi germany" and it supposedly post-natally aborted millions of jews, and supposedly nobody in the whole of the world thought that those programs were moral and hense we convened a globally sanctioned court and a series of famous trials at nuremberg WHERE THE SUPPOSED SUPPORTERS OF THOSE POST-NATAL ABORTIONS WERE TRIED AND THEN EXECUTED FOR MURDER, they were not acquitted for merely performing post-natal abortions !! so back to your "freedom of ethical expression" julian; i would suggest that you find a good radical supremacist of some sect to write a thesis on the "moral" validity and practical benefit of the post-natal abortion practiced in the netherlands, and how especially useful it could be if only it were to be more controlled by the state for the intellectual benefit of the next generation and if it were them also extended to children and then adults too. ey, if the right to live or die can be argued on one "moral" premise, such as whether you are deaf