other things that I didn't need to do; but seriously, it takes a lot of time and you really need to be committed to it. I still put in a lot of hours. My wife and I probably put in 60 or 70 hours a week. It's like constant and you have to enjoy it. I do. I enjoy it very much. I've had better-paying jobs but I really enjoy the work. So, you really need to be committed to it. You need to like it. You need to love it and not be afraid to put the time into it because it does take a lot of time. I would love nothing better at 61 to start working 20 or 30 hours a week but I can't do it. I can't. Cesar: But it's work you enjoy doing. Gary: Oh, it is. It is. Cesar: That makes all the difference. I agree. It's my philosophy too is to find something you wouldn't mind doing for free and then do that really well. Gary: Right. Cesar: Eventually, people will recognize that. Naturally you're going to be really good at it because you enjoy it so much. Gary: The other thing that I would say is, for a short period right after I retired, I went to work for a carpenter. He didn't have a license but he would go out and do these jobs and I was working for him. I was working out back at the house one day