house. Was that the same where you were? Definitely. In my world, house just wasn't around. Even the 'house' that was around, people like Arman Van Helden, to me it was still garage. It just didn't really exist like that. It seemed like we were so dead set on that [garage] sound innit? Yeh, definitely. Do you think even now in 'urban' culture, house still doesn't really register? Slowly but surely it's changing. People like Jamie Jones and the Hot Natured lot, they've struck a chord with the urban circuit. There's a lot more people from that circuit that are into house now. So when did you start getting into it? It was about 2004, 2005, garage had evolved into grime, and grime really wasn't me. I've come from the circuit where it was like nice loafers, you know what I mean? You'd get your best shirt and that, and all these kids were wearing hoodies and stuff (laughs). Yeh I know what you mean. It lost the soul a little bit. Completely lost it. And I was like, this is not me. But then I found that house kind of went back to that, putting on your nice shoes to go out and party and have a good night. First and foremost that's what really did it for me -- the fact that there were females at the parties and I could put on my best and enjoy myself. What parties were you going to at that time? I