CPE (customer premises equipment) to realise that we're serious and now they've become serious. The FRITZ!Box we've just launched and also Billion and NetComm and several others either have IPv6 code out there as standard or are on the verge of it. NetComm are a great case in point. They literally called us and said 'so we've been running your trial for a few months and we think we've got some working code -- what do you reckon?' It was a good catalyst to have done that because they finally had a place to test it that was real world and not their own labs. "Our network guys have had to go through a surprising amount of introspection about how to make this work because while the standards are old, what isn't old is operational practice in using them. There are questions around things as fundamental as: how does our end give your end an IP address? It turns out that, rather like VHS and Beta, the guys that came up with the ideas in the first place couldn't help themselves and there's two ways to do that. So there's two right answers except that it helps if you're both using the same right answer." Why mobile phones will drive the transition : "It turns out that the real catalyst for these issues is mobile devices. This iPhone I'm holding is IPv6 capable now, and if I'm at home on a IPv6 Internode connection, it all works. So mobiles change