for authority. I think that grew with us as the band grew and we started to think about bigger, more global issues and I think with the very early punk / hardcore bands, it was all about standing up for what you believe in, and the way I see it, if you're going to be running around like a headless chicken it has to be about something passionate. It has to be worth it. You could be standing on stage talking about a girl on a dance floor, that kind of shit. But no, it has to be real. BATO: I'd love to hear your thoughts on the SOPA debacle ... What's the view on piracy from an artist's perspective? Rou: As soon as I got into day, I thought I've got to catch up with the news, we've been in that typical tour bubble so I haven't been able to keep up with it, but just in general it just shows another utter failure of capitalism. In my view, everything should be open book. I was thinking the other day that the internet is one of the most incredible communal achievements of our species, and the way they protested online was brilliant. So instead of trying to stop growth in those areas we should be absolutely embracing it, it's progression. BATO: So you're not really effected by people downloading your music? Rou: It's difficult; it depends how deep you want to go. Obviously we are very much a live