human lives are too important to risk sacrificing to mere convenience. Accepting a blanket 20mph limit is a formal way of accepting what we have always known was true. I see the car haters are making another bid to make life more unpleasant for those who drive again. Minimum impact my foot ! It is a major hit by those interfering with folk's lives. They get away with having the motorist compensate for the incompetence of the Planning Department who fail to separate schools and busy roads, by successfully arguing for a limit there; and once the precedent is made they start putting the ridiculously low limit everywhere. No one who thinks forcing this on folk should be anywhere near a position of authority to push it through. 30mph works fine, it needs no fix. Roads are dangerous places but these days some seem to think they don't need to take care or teach their offspring to do so, they look for a scapegoat to blame. Everything is to be risk free in life. Intelligent balance is to be ignored or mocked. I despair at the authorites we get now, and the desire of some citizens to make life difficult, awkward, and stressful for others. Shame on both those groups. I think that is an important point Gaz. It is the most important thing that has been said in this discussion so far. Roads are still dangerous, despite the fact that road engineers, car manufacturers and govenement bodies have been