only as defined by that organization. I prefer someone who thinks for himself and contributes charitably to his fellow man regardless of how that man affiliates with imaginary beings on other planets. But maybe that's just me. It also gives me more faith in that person's true and openly stated motivations. "I'm running for office, for Pete's sake!" -- Not the words of someone who would value moral action, for its own sake, over arbitrary legal and theological dictates. Yes, Romney cares about his "reputation". But he certainly isn't a strong enough leader to identify the principles that should define the character he wishes to independently create. He is a tool. And he does what he's told by others. For better or worse. I think that Obama just can't debate. His answers rambled and did not address the question asked. He couldn't stay in the time limit. He even recapped Romney's points more than once in case people were forgetting them. Also I think he hasn't been working; leaving the work to the women since 2008; just campaigning and playing golf since June. Finally, I think the African-American community is fed up and not interested in the excuses the spin doctors are thinking up [see O Ritmo Segundo's comments above] Bob Herbert has an interesting article on how Obama has let the African-Americans down - Obama has not concentrated on jobs and this group is hit hardest by unemployment. Rising prices also hit this group hardest. Herbert says: "There is