and think of volleyball net. But not a live grenade, not primed. And you threw that grenade over, you had five, you threw it over the net into a target, it was on the ground. Just the target, you know, outer or inner, going up. And for some reason or other, and I'm wasn't a huge man, like a softball or at this time a grenade, for the size of me, I would out throw I think anybody I know. And that's boasting, that's just a fact. I don't know why that was. But anyway, we were taught and I can't explain it unless it was in a camera, to throw a grenade over your head in that motion, okay. And I didn't do it that way, I don't know why, but I took the grenade and think of, I threw it like a football. But that's not the way we were taught. And again, it sounds like a boast, it's not a boast, when I done it that way, I could pretty near, now, I couldn't throw it that far but distance didn't matter. But I could throw it over that net and I think I put every one of them right in the bullseye. And I don't think I did, I did. And it won the event. I will say it was November of 1951, Brooke Claxton, who was the Minister of National Defense, Canada-wise, come over to have a visit. I didn't see him, I was in