He was a comedian. His sense of humor was completely intact. Flashbulbs popped, and I thought: "Wow! The Drop the Debt campaign will have the Pope in my glasses on the front page of every newspaper." Assayas : I don't remember seeing that photograph anywhere, though. Bono : Nor did we. It seems his courtiers did not have the same sense of humor. Fair enough. I guess they could see the T-shirts. Later in the conversation: Assayas : I think I am beginning to understand religion because I have started acting and thinking like a father. What do you make of that? Bono : Yes, I think that's normal. It's a mind-blowing concept that the God who created the universe might be looking for company, a real relationship with people, but the thing that keeps me on my knees is the difference between Grace and Karma. Assayas : I haven't heard you talk about that. Bono : I really believe we've moved out of the realm of Karma into one of Grace. Assayas : Well, that doesn't make it clearer for me. Bono : You see, at the center of all religions is the idea of Karma. You know, what you put out comes back to you: an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth, or in physics; in physical laws every action is met by an equal or an opposite one. It's clear to me that Karma is at the very heart of the universe. I'm absolutely