put forward policy -- painstakingly negotiated, based on expert advice, the same people who advised the Liberal Party when they were in government, many of the same people who were involved in setting up the Pacific Solution, who now say it won't work now, it won't work now. These are the same people -- these are not Labor Party stooges -- these are national security and immigration experts. We've made them available to the Opposition; the Opposition's had the same briefings. We've chosen to listen to them. Thus far the Opposition has chosen to reject them. Kelly: Okay, if we look at a way forward, as I understand it, Minister, last year when the High Court knocked out the Malaysian transfer agreement, you said to your Cabinet ministers, Cabinet colleagues, 'Why don't we go with Nauru now, get something going, if it fails then we'll have a stronger hand for Malaysia.' Why not go to Tony Abbott today and say, 'Listen, our compromise is this: we will craft a Bill that has Nauru first, and if it fails then it will be written into the Bill that Malaysia is open for business'? Bowen: Well, Fran, our policy is clear, and we have said repeatedly, repeatedly, we are happy to talk to the Opposition about a way through. They have refused to come to the table, Fran. You cannot have negotiation when the other party refuses to come to the table. They broke off the negotiations last year through the media,