are 90 000 asylum seekers and refugees in Malaysia now -- how long will they have to remain in Malaysia before their cases are settled? Bowen: Well, they'll be settled in line with the UNHCR guidelines and mandates. And there is no -- as I said before -- no particular special treatment. Kelly: There's no special treatment, but what does that mean in terms of the number of years they might have to wait? Bowen: Well, it depends on their individual circumstances. The UNHCR assesses each case. Now, the UNHCR looks at the potential for integration into the local community, and in many senses they see that for many people as a sustainable outcome. For others they look at resettlement; it depends. They look at all sorts of factors to go into whether to recommend resettlement, and that includes vulnerabilities, if they have people with family links in other countries, whether it be Australia, United States, Canada; they look at that. And then they make an assessment about whether to refer that person, and they look at that person's needs in line with the needs of other people waiting for resettlement.So some get resettled relatively quickly; others have to wait a substantial period of time. Kelly: Now, we know the UNHCR had reservations about this bilateral deal. What sort of assurances did you have to give them and how difficult was it to get their support? Bowen: Well look, they have a particular job and their job is, in many