then what about dinosaurs, they layed eggs too. OK, JUST MY OPINION (I always say that to keep from starting a war.) Mary Ann was WAY hotter than Ginger. In fact she was my very first..um...fantasy interest. Ginger always looked like a female impersonater to me. i dont really believe many of these arguments have a valid answer or an answer that can be found out so its pointless to argue. and most ppl dont realize this to stop. But of course some ppl just like to argue Live ones life in duty to yourself or to a higher cause? A subject in service to the king, a soldier in service to the country, a matyr in service to the cause, a clergy in service to the gods. To them, the man in service to himself is a selfish and self-rationalising fool. To him, they are fools, duped into towing the line for another at their own expense. True, in this life none of these will be settled with complete agreement. The only place I would disagree with how you assess these, is the last-It haas been my experience, (as a pastor), that the longer a person goes in life without some kind of faith, the less likely they are to gain any in their "twilight years". Certainly they think of death more, but after a life of self-reliance, they extremely rarely turn to any faith during that time. No, William, "macro" evolution is provable. It's been proven, and there