set of asylum seekers are sent over, that there will be people following these individuals that get sent over? Bowen: Sure. Van Onselen: Checking on their treatment, on their living standards, how they're going, potentially interviewing them through the course of all of this. There's a lot of political risk in all of that, you realise? Bowen: Yes, I recognise that there will be interest and there will be transparency, unlike Nauru, by the way, where journalists weren't allowed to go and lawyers weren't allowed to go, because they were denied visas. People will be able to go, they will be able to check on this arrangement. And we'll have an implementation task force and we'll also have an advisory group of non-government organisations as well helping us with this arrangement.Now, will life be perfect and easy for everybody sent to Malaysia? Of course it won't be, of course it won't be. But have we built in important protections and safeguards? Yes, we have. Kelly: We're taking an extra thousand refugees, of course, under this arrangement. And this is important in terms of the model and also in terms of the domestic politics here. Are you disappointed that there hasn't been all that much emphasis on the fact that we are taking an extra 4000 refugees? Bowen: Well, I think some people have ignored that conveniently, Paul; I think that's right.I think some people very much focus on the 800, and that fine; I accept and understand the focus on