limb and suggest that Mark already knew that. If you haven't already read it, take a look at "Good Omens" (by Terry Pratchett & Neil Gaiman) -- one of the Four Riders of the Apocalypse (Famine) does what you're describing Denice Walter November 1, 2012 @ Narad: Moth larvae in rice would be a real problem for vegans. @ Eric Lund: Actually, he also tells his followers to keep a bike so they can escape the nightmare of a city without electricity or a nuclear disaster. So I guess you'd have to cart the rice out and use a camp store. " Why didn't you move out of the city** as I told you *years* ago?" , he'd probably gloat. .-btw- canned goods are straight out. ** despite what he and Mikey say, country life might not be the best option in a world with soaring fuel costs. These guys lecture about being TOTALLY self-sufficient and living in small groups of like-minded 'back-to-nature' folks far from the madd(en)ing crowd. I'm sure those would be really jolly places. I'll make a note to never visit their new utopias. lilady November 1, 2012 I've got a long comment in moderation. I posted a comment on the NCCAM website, about the NCCAM funding of tuition and funding of expansion of existing "integrative/CAM" programs. This is a little off topic, but the New York Times has been running a series about the Civil War, and it just ran an overview of what it was