more clip because Rudd was pretty strong on this on the night of the coup. Let's just take another look at what he had to say. Rudd: [grab] I believe it is absolutely wrong for this country, and absolutely wrong in terms of the values which we hold dear, to get engaged in some sort of race to the right in this country on the question of asylum seekers. I don't think that's the right thing to do. That's the direction the Liberal Party would like to take us. Under my leadership we will not be going in that direction. Van Onselen: This is very different though, isn't it, Minister Bowen? I mean, at the end of the day, before we get into the details of the Malaysian solution, what Kevin Rudd was trying to pitch to there, ultimately unsuccessfully to maintain his Labor leadership, was quite different to the direction that Labor has gone since then. Bowen: Well look, as I say, we made it clear before the last election we wanted a regional solution with UNHCR involvement. That's what we've delivered on. And I think the benefits are there for all to see: a) an increase in our humanitarian intake; b) also working with a key regional nation, a key transit nation on getting more consistent protection outcomes. We're working with the UNHCR and the IOM to have more consistent outcomes across the region, and starting with that key partner of Malaysia. So I think there's a lot