only in the fly's mind. Since no decision procedure can be proven, there is no reason to conclude that any person can show you the correct decision procedure. Or as Jesus said in Matthew 24:23, "Then, if any man says to you, Lo, here is Christ, or there, believe it not". The "spider" draws us in because we have a fear of standing alone and depending on our own powers of reason. Logical Reasons to Believe that God Exists? From who, or what and how logic comes from and goes to who,or what and how. Same for reasons, beliefs and existences. art is defined by everything that has no apparent value. Mutate or Die maybe off,,, It Names Itself when what's left is not to transcend sickles and lines. you like cycles you like linear ascension you still get questions that offer no proof answers of long division maths that begin to speak when they got questions... Who will answer? Fictions invent and then they'll be or want to entertain(ed) Someday they might want to know and not take Turtles and Elephants as the first or final straw. Might Go where No man can go after. They may find themselves. Lucky them. If you ask which god, then you know you're already wrong. If God is consistent with truth, from ther Godelian perspective, then "he" esixsts or does not exist consistent with truth. But "truth" is different from "proof". While a proof results from a specific mathematical system of theorems,