currently viewed as outweighing the gain of attack, even if that attack were successful; a belief that the attack may not accomplish its stated goals; that the threat itself may not yet be beyond the ability of diplomatic initiatives to counter; or some combination thereof. My point is only that there seem to be those (not necessarily you, Noga) who believe that advocating caution is tantamount to at best apathy for Israel's plight or at worst (hi, Poupic) secretly hoping for her demise. There seems to be no acknowledgement that wars sometimes no not go as planned, hell they sometimes make things much much worse, and maybe we should just wait a bit and see if we can solve this problem by other means... and nothing in that line of thinking makes any of us anti-semite Israel haters. 03/02/2012 - 11:24am EDT | noga1 "When the heck are liberals going to recognize that Islam and Islamism are antithetical to their liberal values." That was Christopher Hitchens' battle for the last 11 years of his life, since 9/11. A few others, genuine liberals, agreed with him. "When the heck are liberals going to recognize that Islam and Islamism are antithetical to their liberal values." That was Christopher Hitchens' battle for the last 11 years of his life, since 9/11. A few others, genuine liberals, agreed with him. 03/02/2012 - 11:29am EDT | mlottman Or you could say, can the U.S. trust Israel not to go off the deep end and start