assess whether it's the appropriate thing to transfer them to Malaysia. Or, if they are to be transferred to Malaysia, what extra care and protection needs to be put in place at the other end. And that's the arrangements in place. That's what will work in terms of this boat arrival and in future boat arrivals. Kelly: So what you're basically saying is that if there are [inaudible] these 54 because there are no blanket exemptions, we could assume that those children will be sent to Malaysia as well. Bowen: Well, nobody should assume, people smugglers should not assume that there's a blanket exemption in place. But we will assess, in terms of our obligations, the needs of each individual. Now, individuals cover a wide range, Paul, as you'd understand: women and children, and occasionally we get a young child who is unaccompanied. We get many people who tell us they're minors but there's a fair degree of scepticism on behalf of the people in my department who talk to them as to whether they are actually under 18. They could be well into their twenties but they are telling us they're minors because they are --  Kelly: But just say we had a child who was unaccompanied. Would the assumption be unless there were other circumstances at work they would be sent to Malaysia as well? Bowen: Well, as I say Paul -- and I'm only going to stick to what I've said to you -- no blanket exemptions,