in Fallowfield check out the following link. It will at least show you what speeds are being achieved and give you some reassurance if you decide to ditch VM. Give it a couple of minutes to populate though as it doesn't always show all the results immediately. Thanks for the link joglynne. Interesting that there is nothing above 20meg there, and as low as 3 meg. Hopefully that will give me some fuel for negotiation. My next bill notification is due this weekend and the discount (small) they have been giving me has now ended. I had a pitiful experience with 50meg when it was installed here and they have been giving me an ongoing discount on my bill. But I have had to fight tooth and nail for it. I will need some ammo again this weekend, as even the tech support team admit over subscription here, but still I have to argue the toss for discounts. The speed tests around this area are disgusting to be honest, and quite how they expect me to just stump up 37 for a net connection that doesn't go much above 15-18meg of an evening is amazing. I know for a fact that B.T infinity here isn't widely used by anyone (I know a B.T guy doing installations around here) but as I say, that 18 month contract hurdle. But then B/T are offering me six months free if I sign up. They seem keen It's the ping that does it for