the early success of web standards. The first big standards battle was to get good CSS support in browsers. At that time (1998/1999) xhtml, and even valid HTML 4.01 were not really on anyone's radar. And the big "standards missing link" was CSS support. IE 4 and Netscape 4 had really poor implementations. Opera probably led the way, though it did not implement positioning at all. At that time that's what everyone wanted from CSS - lots of positioned "layers". Particularly in conjunction with Javascript. This was the heyday of DHTML fever. Rather than carp on about how bad these implementations were, we (the "Samurai") did something kind of unusual. We put together a top 10 list of what was missing, or poorly implemented in Netscape, IE and Opera. It wasn't a protest, or point scoring exercise. It was strong but constructive criticism. The Samurai put together test cases and did extensive browser testing, comparing browser performance with the - at that time still far from well understood - specification. I honestly think it had a positive impact on CSS support in subsequent browsers. Since then, while WaSP has been a strong advocate for standards, I don't think it has played that kind of role. It's probably a little more "adversarial" in a way, which reflects the times as much as anything. Back then we were all in it together, there was no real place for agendas. Things have changed a bit since then. The Samurai themselves? Some are well