What about photography schools? Jerry Tavin: One thing we have discovered is that schools, while they are wonderful, don't teach the business of photography. We really wanted these kids to connect with mentors, to connect with educational forums, to connect in many other ways other than just giving them money.  Part of the sustenance of these kids was to keep them involved with us and we have a whole group of young people who have worked with us from the get-go on different projects. When we hang an exhibition they come and work with us, not as volunteers necessarily but as equals doing everything. Exhibit at the YPA show in New York These are difficult times for raising money? Jerry Tavin: For the last three years, despite the many hardships of running a foundation which are primarily funding and getting money for infrastructure. We've had some great support from ASMP, Eugene Mopsik and Judy Hermann, gave us enough money $50,000, to keep us supporting this program for three years now. The money is earmarked just for the program. If we had other means of support we would have got more portfolio reviews, that many more educational seminars. We've learned to walk and not run as fast as we'd like to. You are trying to internationalise the YPA program? Jerry Tavin: This mentoring program started out as an American program, we began to work with a UK group which is the strongest group we have, a UK group under the guidance