and to make a civilized place to live, where pensioners etc feel safe no matter where they are we have rules. these rules if broken should have a punishment that sends out a clear message, "Break the rules and you will suffer" My old Gran used to say, " You cannot make a cake without breaking a few eggs" Loading comments... I believe that where there are no grey areas and murderers like "psycho" who shot an innocent man in the face at point blank range, should be given 2 options. Firstly life should mean whole life (as they ended a life that will never live a full life) and never see the light of day; or secondly - chemical euthanasia. This way we do not infringe the stupidly asinine Human Rights issue as we give them the option of controlling their fate, but we do see that the victims and their families actually see justice working; and that the police see the rewards for continuing to try and bring these individuals to the courts. Loading comments... When the "whole life" sentence is used appropriately the easiest way to ensure its success would be the hangman's noose. I have never been in favour of the indiscriminate use of capital punishment but in these cases it does seem to be justified. Lord Judge (appropriate name!) appears to have got it right here, according to the law as it stands, but it is time for a referendum on the re-introduction of capital