to be reckoned with. If they were at a southwestern Badon, then they may have been far enough away from the 'front' to avoid much damage or further raids after a defeat ... although the Thames would have been a great route for reprisal raids. This is if they didn't end up be a tributary state to someone. However, if Badon was the crushing defeat it is thought to have been (this and other battles) would there have been anyone left to go home? I doubt if any distant region that may have been involved at Badon would commit all their warriors. Again, if Higham's theory is correct, it could have been the Britons that were paying tribute to them! There seems to have been later connections between those of Kent and the 'East Saxons' ( Essex ) to their north across the Thames Estuary. They may have be more interested in expansion that way, leaving the Brits of the west alone, but then again ... In Steven Bassett's The Origins of Anglo-Saxon Kingdoms , now getting old but still irrepleaceable IMO, there is a paper on Middlesex by Keith Bailey, and he notes among other things that those '-ingas' names can be seen as forming a ring of fairly small sites, none of which really rise to later significance, around London. Ever since I read that I've been inclined to pair it with the ASC annal for 457 that talks about defeated Britons retreating to London and wonder if