will happen this year in China. Will he still, is there any chance he could still be part of that or is his run as it were finished? GEREMIE BARME: One would think it finished. One would happily like to speculate. Chinese politics is one thing one better not predict. There's no doubt that it is a country of revival and renewal and it wouldn't surprise me if somehow, he might just reappear one day in a few years time sitting in the back row of one of those innocuous party or government Congresses noted in passing as some other purged leaders have in the past. I don't know. TONY JONES: There's a whole 1984 ring about that I must say. GEREMIE BARME: China is politically, here we have the new world power, politically opaque, the system is a black box. Everybody speculates, no one really knows what's going on. It is an extraordinary testament to the ability of a one party state to keep its secrets well and truly hidden. However, I would say closing it is like a wizard of Oz moment when the little curtain that hides the Wizard little man that is suddenly lived for a moment and you see oh my heavens, that's what it is all about. That's what the Bo Xilai and Gu Kailai event has showed us. TONY JONES: Geremie Barme, it is terrific to talk to you. We thank you very much for taking the time to come to speak to