known today, others much less so. But the web owes a great deal to people like Jan Roland Eriksson , Sue Sims , Tod Fahrner and others in that group. [ 2 ] Russ: You have been pushing the use of CSS and standards since 1997 - a long time before they were trendy. How do you manage to stay so enthusiastic? John: People keep me enthusiastic. Over the years there have been waves of interest and momentum with CSS. When the Web Standards Project started, that was one wave, and certainly another in the last year or two. And the promise of a standards based web. That keeps me enthusiastic, without a doubt. [ 3 ] Russ: Your A List Apart article - " Dao of Web Design " - was written in 2000 yet it is still highly relevant today. Did you have any idea that it would be so timeless? John: No. certainly not then. I really thought that a lot of the point of the article was really obvious, and that everyone more or less "got it" and in about 3 months time everyone would say "well derrrr". Now I see things a little differently. I think the web is a much more radically different medium than I did even then. It is a vast ocean, and we do cling to its shores. One example of this is web design and development. That's something I know a little about. The point of the Dao article was