Yes, of course it has. I first discussed this with my Malaysia counterpart Minister Hishammuddin last December. I mean, I struggle to find any arrangement or any agreement of this complexity and importance around the world that had been settled in that short a time period from December to July, and then those operational details settled between May and July. I think that was a significant achievement for the government. Kelly: Minister, is it your hope that the 800 numbers are never filled? Bowen: Yes. Kelly: And do you think that's realistic? Bowen: Well look, as I say, I'm not going to overstate. We're all in new territory and we need to see the impact this has. Some people have criticised us because we've said, look, if we don't end up sending the 800 we'll still take the 4000. Well, if we don't end up sending 800 because 800 people haven't arrived, but we can still increase our humanitarian intake, I think that's a pretty good outcome. Kelly: So the real effect of this policy is that the boat people who arrive now are really going to be the bunnies, aren't they? I mean, they are going to be subject to this punitive policy as a disincentive to ensure that others don't come. Bowen: They are going to be subject to return to Malaysia as a disincentive to get on the boat. That's the language I would use. Kelly: And when they are returned to Malaysia - we know there