that many of the worst aspects of me came out, but at the same time, when I could really get to know my friend, there's a real respect. So even though I've had to deal with many issues, you start to see from the other side, the other perspective, and I think it's been good for both of us to do with that. Rachael Kohn: In doing this really difficult work, do you have a mentor, do you look to somebody who gives you strength? Is it Christ, is it St Francis, is it someone you know? Gillian: I certainly find that I have to keep very well connected to my God, to the Lord and to Jesus, otherwise I can't do it. But it's a very humbling thing also, because I'm increasingly aware of how little I can do myself in one way, and so when I both try and become more Christlike, but of course that's very difficult, but also look to Christ always for myself, then I find that I'm actually of more use to people, that's a better way of putting it, or I can connect with people more effectively when I do that. But when I first started this work, or I guess befriending some people like this, I became overwhelmed far too often and feeling as though it was all on my shoulders, that I had to be able to help people but I've pulled back from that completely and realising that it's just