presidency, still a majority of the Americans are blaming Bush. It's easy to see how those people could -- even if they think the economy is not in good shape, that they could vote for Barack Obama. JEFFREY BROWN: What about the ballot initiatives we brought up? For the first time ever, states approved same-sex marriage by popular vote. Does it signify, do you think, some kind of real change? Or what do you think read from... LINDA KILLIAN: Oh, absolutely, oh, yes. The country has moved on this issue. The country -- if you look at where the country was a decade ago versus where they are today on gay rights, they have totally moved. And, again, this is reflected. Independent voters, voters in the center, they really don't -- aren't with the Republican Party on their social stance, young voters, you know, a lot of these voters. And that is kind of a loser for Republicans in terms of where we're going to be. And I think these two ballot initiatives are very indicative of that. STUART ROTHENBERG: I agree completely. And it's a problem for Republicans, because one of the their core constituencies is religious voters, highly religious voters and evangelicals. And they're not going to be easily persuaded that they ought to change their position on these issues. JEFFREY BROWN: But when you put all this together, what I find curious is sort of two things we're talking. One, we are very divided. You see that.