senses, the guardian of refugees around the world, and that's an appropriate job for them to take. And they took an appropriately strong view in these discussions that there needed to be important safeguards put in place, and their feedback very much shaped this arrangement. Their feedback shaped the terms of those clauses that you see in terms of protections and support. They indicated that that would be appropriate for them if they were going to be involved, and that's what we've been able to deliver with the Malaysian Government. Kelly: And they will have an ongoing role in supervising these arrangements. So presumably their ongoing support will be essential for you? Bowen: Which is the monitoring and implementation group. They're involved in the processing of the 800 and the 4000, so yes. The Malaysian Government agrees with us on this. I've seen some speculation that Malaysia wouldn't want the UNHCR involved; that's nonsense. Right from December the Malaysian Minister and I agreed that if this were to work we would need UNHCR involvement and IOM involvement. And yeah, sure, would it have been quicker if we just had a bilateral agreement with Malaysia with no consultation with the UNHCR? Yeah, it probably would have been. But it wouldn't have been the outcome that we got, which is a proper regional arrangement with UNHCR involvement and very much their feedback influencing the arrangement. Van Onselen: Mr Bowen, you have to know that media will be over there when the first