and science based medicine are mutually exclusive. The only way any CAM modality should ever be integrated into legitiamte medical practice is if it becomes science based through rigorous, quality scientific investigation*. So far, we're still waiting for this to happen for any CAM modality. What has actually happened is that science based modalities such as diet, nutrition, exercise, pharmacognosy, etc have beend de-scienceified/ bastardized and integrated into CAM practice, which some people then integrate back into legitimate medical practice, making the apple pie into apple-cow pie. It may make the cow pie imperceptibly more palatible, but it doesn't help the apple pie one whit. * and there really needs to be some reasonable semblance or inkling of plausibility to even warrant expending any resources on scientific investigation. Sorry Reiki and Homeopathy. Denice Walter November 2, 2012 @ Edith Prickly: Another version of apocalyptic thought amongst the woo-doers is that of personal 'end times': if you eat a typical so-called western diet, you'll get CANCER ( or an MIA or stroke) and DIE! whereas if you follow his tripe you'll live to 140! ( -btw- the number is a citation,not hyperbole- see "How to Live Forever"). They sometimes do advocate for small groups. of like-minded- or what I'd call woo-compounds ( cult-de-sacs?) There is a wealth of garbage between these two. lilady Still waiting for my post on the NCCAM site to come out of moderation November 2, 2012 @ Karl Withakay: You should really go to the NCCAM website