is that way. And the banter between him and Gary is that way, they goof around and stuff, I mean they butt heads a lot -- and that's what Pat, Jason's mom, always said -- they're very alike. I guess we didn't capture too much of that just because... Had we been around ten or fifteen years ago, definitely fifteen years ago when he was really going downhill, we would have captured a lot of that, of the fighting. I mean I wanted to kind of get a lot of that, I mean I didn't want to paint the picture that everything was so happy, everyone would just go "These people are completely in denial!" if everything was just so happy and rosy. But that's really how they are and when you go over there everyone says the same thing, you just feel this energy of art and love and it just feels...weird, when you walk out of there you feel like you have this second skin or something. It doesn't last very long after you go out into the real world but it's really kind of a strange energy. There was definitely a sense that the camera was a family friend. You're not inserting yourself into the film and we don't see you on camera but there was a sense that this was a welcome intrusion and that feeling was remarkable actually...I found that very touching. We're speaking to Jason later this week and I wonder if you can