You all do the celebrating every summer. No surprise the result. What's your word? Eejits?" What's that you celebrate on the 4th July? Winning a civil war? Native Americans and colonists on both sides? And let's not forget the Alamo! As a proportion of the population, the active participation of Hispanic native and immigrant residents in the struggle for independence of Texas from Spain and Mexico was equal to or greater in specific battles than that of resident immigrants from the United States of the North. http://www.celebratetexas.org/index.html Actually, I don't care which side did it..I mean i more general terms. When one group vandalizes or attacks home and property of the other in a close urban setting like this what do they get out of it? A thrill? A sense of pride? respect among the other hoodlums running about? A release from boredom? as ever sir, very astute and literary. a brief bright lighthouse flash round a circumference of darkness i've no comment on the current on the current situation as i have been re-reading some H L Mencken. Malcolm, may i humbly refer you to the mans brief essay on the "Anglo-Saxon" (american appalachian variety). sez it all really Brian, there is financial gain, and the East Belfast UVF have obviously got their reward, keep watching for the West Belfast/North Belfast brigades finding a small nationalist community to get stuck into so they too can get a share of the 1st ministers pot of peace gold. As one who