Two, you're talking about a moderation. You're talking about some folks calling -- more folks calling for people to pull together. LINDA KILLIAN: Absolutely. JEFFREY BROWN: Are both happening at the same time? LINDA KILLIAN: Absolutely. Well, what I would say is, I did also want to say that turnout was down this time. And I think -- I wanted to make a note about independents. Mitt Romney carried independents, but not in all of the swing states. And turnout was down -- turnout among independents was -- only 24 percent of the electors were independents, when 40 percent of all registered voters are independents. I think that reflects the frustration and the unhappiness with this election. And I think they -- they -- there are people in the middle, but I think some of them didn't vote. And I think -- you know, I think we are polarized, but there are plenty of people that want real solutions. JEFFREY BROWN: What do you think about that? STUART ROTHENBERG: I would say that I think people like the idea of compromise, of working together, but I think often the choices that they're presented with are not in the middle. The Republicans present the extreme conservative choice. JEFFREY BROWN: The political choices. STUART ROTHENBERG: And I will give you an example of an electoral choice. In Ohio, the Democratic senator is Sherrod Brown, a very liberal Democrat, who is probably -- who is more liberal than the state of Ohio. And