hate whiners and complainers And what criteria distinguishes someone from bringing up a legitimate concern or a "whiner"? I'd also like to know if you're on a top 200 club or not. It's very relevant to this topic. This thread may be a legitimate concern to some and I understand that, I just disagreed with it is all, nothing more nothing less. In addition, the reference to complainers and whiners I made was not regarding this thread, now all of a sudden I have to tell you my criteria for a complainer? Are you effing serious dude? The genius above us said I attack anyone who disagrees with EA, just because I disagree with someone doesn't mean I'm defending EA and I'm not going to be some sort of tool and start following the players who I know are struggling this year and want to blame EA for them being an NHL 12 reject, I adapt and move on. I also disagree with my club ranking, it's completely irrelevant to the discussion. What does it matter if I'm top 100 or bottom 100? If that was the case it should be labeled "if you're out of the top 200" you can only reply in this thread. I'm not one of these players that start a discussion with "I'm top blah blah blah" like that gives me more creditability, I don't care what players are ranked, 5 or 10005. Capt maj disagrees with it all????? enough said lol You made the