believe in (I have not heard them say that they disagree with any of the principles of humanism nor define principles not already encompassed in it). Social justice, diversity, women's rights, and evidence based reasoning are all encompassed in the Humanist Manifesto III. Also, the comments about "Humanism is also more engaged with creating secular replacements for the rituals and structures of religious communities" seems to describe Unitarians more so than any humanist community that I've encountered. Yes, humanists groups put on speakers, community service events, potlucks, etc for local secularists and humanists but there are no rituals of recitation/incantation as one would assume from the aforementioned description. These groups help to encourage and strengthen atheists and others who feel isolated in their communities amongst many other things and contribute very positively to the atheist movement. If an atheist is so anti-established/organized anything that they do not wish to attend or believe in the purpose for secular community building, then they don't have to go. They can still be an atheist and still be a humanist as their is no rule requiring one to attend (not church)....but it's peculiar gathering online and specialized meetings for A+ is somehow ok or different than local humanist gatherings. It is still early in the development of A+ but it will be interesting to see how they define, if they try, their social beliefs differently than secular humanism and if it is worthwhile to expend resources to this movement instead of cleaning up and