want to say in an interview. and in a way this was the same thin. The one thing in this case you don't want to happen is for any Jews to die. Erasing the memory of the Holocaust and the memory of the war, that was the point of the Munich Olympic Games. Why else did they spend so much money, why it was so happy, sunny, smiley, so when what happened did happen, there was a kind of funny inevitability about it, may be that seems silly but I think there was, and nobody wanted to take responsibility cos no one wanted to be seen to be the person who was responsible for these athletes dying. I think that's also when things went wrong because nobody would take responsibility, a lot of things just fell through the gaps. Another fascinating interview you've got is a real scoop getting the surviving terrorist Jamal Al Gashey to talk to you, which does balance things. It's very touching when see him today and footage of him at press conference as an 18-year-old. Kevin : We were very lucky apart from anything else that he was such good-looking young man and such a strangely charismatic individual. Unfortunately I can't say very much about how we got that interview. All I can say is it was a series of coincidences and connections with people - somebody knew somebody who knew somebody who knew him. He was very nervous about talking because he had never