to call themselves A+, more power to them. However false assumptions should not be a part of it: Humanism is also more engaged with creating secular replacements for the rituals and structures of religious communities To clarify: Are you referring to secular humanism? If so, what organizations represent the "humanism" you are referring to? As someone who organizes CFI events for atheists, humanists, skeptics, etc. both in DC and nationally I beg to differ. The two largest secular humanist organizations in the country are the Council for Secular Humanism (CSH-part of CFI) and the American Humanist Association (AHA). I am more familiar with the CSH personally and I have never met a more anti church person than Tom Flynn the Executive Director. Note that CSH publishes Free Inquiry magazine-again you won't find much sympathy for religion there. I've also not seen any indication from AHA that "creating secular replacements for the rituals and structures of religious communities" is even on their agenda. The only humanist group I am aware of that might once have maybe fit this bill are the Harvard Humanists. I am not as familiar with them, however I have noticed that in recent months their website uses the name "Humanist Community Project at Harvard" and very few references to chaplaincies. I haven't attended their events, but nothing I've heard from people that spoke there indicates that it is very "church-like". In addition, James Croft from HH has specifically denied this. I think Carrier's vision of Atheism Plus