through 2010 AND 2011, the last two winters were obviously blips, it's nice to be wrong in this case and see Barrie's palm hanging in there Onwards and upwards with the survivors But no one ever said they WERE hardy! Most of us grow stuff that isn't hardy in our gardens, I bet even you... Should we not bother & stick to growing roses? I still believe though that in the right micro-climate Washingtonia robusta at least could be considered "long term" When I went to Tresco a couple of years ago I'm pretty sure that the Washingtonia mentioned in this thread above is alive and well. It is a very scrappy looking thing at the top, and you could be mistaken for thinking it is a very wind beaten Trachycarpus, but it is far to tall to be a Trachycarpus. I know Trachys can get tall but this palm is in another league. Our palm collections would be pretty dull if all we stuck to was dead cert hardy palms. It would be Trachys only. During the Winter of 2010 I lost a biggish Jubaea and a couple of mature Butias, both of which you would assume are hardier than a Washingtonia. But you have to learn from your mistakes and if we get another 'Narnia' event I will protect even these species because I know that in the vast majority of winters I won't have to protect them at all in my location. After the big losses of