had said, forget it, no chance and as Kevin said, when we came to do the mix, when we came to choose the music for the film, things started getting bigger and bigger. As our ambitions for the film, I suppose, continued to get bigger, so did the budget. The film is financed by British Screen, by the BBC and Arthur Cohn. There were other people involved earlier on, but ultimately the budget at the end was financed by those three. It was you who brought Cohn in. How do you know him? John : I didn't. I was tipped off by Sandy Lieberson who was featured in Kevin's previous documentary, who said, "You might as well give this guy a call and see what happens", and I did out of the blue and in his own inimitable style he said he wasn't remotely interested and then in 24 hours he was in London. John Arthur Cohn has made a lot of documentaries. Were they for the cinema? John : Yes a couple of them were. He made "American Dream", which was made for the cinema, I'm not sure what kind of life it had in the cinema because that was a particularly tricky subject, about a meat packer's union strike in America, but he had made several feature length documentaries which played in the cinema. He had never made one that had subject matter that was as accessible as this and had the potential to appeal to audiences in