he had to paint the image as it was given to him by the unconscious. ~Jungian analyst Dean Frantz I read Robert Bly's Iron John when it came out, I'm embarrassed to say. It was a celebrated book in certain circles, the supposed men's movement at the time to join drumming circles and participate in sweat lodges. The only bit I can still remember is Bly's counsel that men should learn to shrug. WTF? The karmic bunny will hunt you down, turn you into a hungry ghost, consign you to a universe of sadistic assholes for a trillion years, you will be Pat Nixon for a thousand cosmic cycles .... et cetera, et cetera This view of death by Kevorkian I find most delectable. It's also metaphor for the theme of this thread.....Letting Go. It captures just how difficult that is. Just try to get those cell phones and lap tops away from their operators. Out of their cold dead hands....with razor sharp claws digging in for dear life. Gail At about 150,000 normal deaths per day, even if we had NO births we only reduce the world population by 54 million per year, 20 years per each billion. So 60 years to get us down to 4 billion which most don't think is sustainable. But in 60 years if there have been no new births most women will be infertile and problem solved. That is based on the assumption that the number of deaths we have per day remains