further decline. Promised. why? Why would it force you to quit, and how would it leave to further decline. I guess I just don't understand how allowing reds into Tram would hurt anyone. Keep in mind most reds won't "farm" hunting spots and they would have to follow the Tram ruleset just like everyone else. If a player is not in O/C or a guild war then they still would not be able to be attacked. @Farimir/Lythos: Maybe I didn't read your posts correctly. If reds cannot attack in Tram: I could live with this idea. If they can attack me while sitting on my veranda, smoking a pipe and watching my plants grow - thanks and goodbye. That was the way how the game was in "those" years - and that was the reason why I left. I don't want to PVP, I don't want to be killed by PKs, that's just not my concept of playing the game. So: My apologies if I read your posts superficially. If you mean: Reds can enter but cannot attack players - I could accept this. Even though there are many good arguments against this proposal. I don't like PKs. I think they deserve their excommunication from Tram. And everybody can make a blue char and get in touch to all the non-fel content. I don't understand why any red should be able to enter Tram... But, well, I don't understand many things in this weird PVP-world No offense... My point simply