not, in fact, humanism, and that a basic principle of humanism is non-theism. I stand corrected. (You have to admit that that's pretty confusing.) The rest of my post still stands; but I apologize for the error. I have made this update/ correction in the main body of the post. Let's not fall into the trap of trying to be overly fair, as many of us are wont to do. We then fall back into the pattern of the status quo, as in, the first bullies are the only ones allowed to bully, and must be tolerated in the name of tolerance. That's just another way of saying "let's keep everything the way it is." I have no problem in supporting an exclusionary group. Exclusionism in itself is not the problem. Bigotry is the problem. It's like when the boys made a club and froze some of us out, we got together and made our own club where everyone was invited, like the kid in the wheelchair, and the kid who was always being bullied, and all the girls. And we made a rule against assholes. Then some of us started wringing our hands and worrying that we were "just as bad" as the kids who kept us out in the first place. Their only solution was to let the original creeps back in, who immediately took over, treated us like shit and froze us out again. Greta, I was struck by your statement: Humanist" doesn't necessarily mean "godless." There