grey shadow, I duplicated the text, converted it to a path, and applied a thick white outline. The thick white version sits between the grey shadow and the black text. Write scripts to create draw files You don't have to be a hardcore programmer to create drawfiles. DrawScript extends BBC Basic with "extra" graphics commands. I modified one of the example scripts to produce this image to promote the Icon Bar's URL. In closing Although Draw is hardly the most powerful rendering engine - it lacks several useful features such as clipping and transparency - its ubiquity across the RISC OS desktop and application suite makes for outstanding productivity. Whether you create images using Draw, another application, or by writing your own script, the main limitation can only be your imagination. My main use of Draw is for importing fragments of PDFs (via !PDF http://pdf.iconbar.com/ ) into ArtWorks, or editing PDFs that other people have created. (I can then re-export as a PDF from ArtWorks, and windows users generally get confused as to how I edited their "read only" PDF). Message #96556, posted by VincceH at 15:44, 3/1/2007, in reply to message #96538 Lowering the tone since the dawn of time Posts: 1519 Hmm... and the answer to my previous comment that appears to have disappeared* is 'yes' - I can use RISC OS (by saving as Draw files) to combine two PDF files into one; It never crossed my mind as a possibility before, but Andrew's comment gave me