with civilization or democracy. In the last 3,411 years of recorded history only 268 have seen no war." ~Will and Ariel Durant  "...we should not hesitate in launching nuclear war because there is no solution except this ." ~ Nawa-e Waqt Distracting from what? You imply that what was being discussed was of no substance, or not worthy of some greater topic from which all are being distracted, so what is that greater topic, precisely? Hasn't it already been established that we are fucked in so many countless ways that all the supercomputers developed can't calculate the number? It can't be that, can it, that is not getting the proper attention because of the "loud" voices? Come on, get real, nothing anyone here says has any more value than anything anyone else says. It's all Water Under The Bridge at this point.....and poisoned water, at that. MB: It's painfully obvious that no one posting to this forum has DONE the hard work. You're welcome to visit the mud hut. You'll learn all about hard work. To gain partial understanding of what I've done, though, you'll first have to give up your beloved life and livelihood and walk away from all your colleagues, friends, and family. checked the comments when I woke up. they went from 7 to 65 since I went to bed (after 4 hours with no electricity). and what do I see? all guys, guys, guys, (well, 4 or 5 guys really) arguing endlessly on their oil