these people have been victims? http://www.keepandbeararms.com/informati\\... Keep in mind that these are only a few (reported to website) instances from 2000-2002, and not all the perpetrators had "guns." They were just perusing crime, with knives, fists, guns, whatever. Many of these stories have been legitimized against local news outlets. Most, but not all, are within the U.S. I ask again, should these people have been victims because you wish to correlate all gun-owners with horrible national news stories? The sad truth is the world isn't always a nice place. Sometimes, we MUST protect ourselves...or become victims, outright. I'm interested in having a calm conversation with anyone. Trolls, go to ebaumsworld. The difference is that the rest of the world will accept the beating of someone with a club or the slashing someone with a knife. But the use of a gun, that is uncivilized. Which is more noble. The woman who was found raped, beaten, and strangled with her own nylons in an alley way? Or the woman who used a gun to defend herself from a rapist? Most of the world would say the first is more noble. Loading comments... Hey all you "second amendment" republicans that keep voting against your own interests........the only time that I am aware of in the recent past, that our military was "moved into America" to disarm law abiding citizens who were trying to protect their property (from criminal looters after Katrina) was orchestrated by our republican led commander in chief......the second in