and the DB are failing hack pop news orgs with no more of a commitment to liberalism and Democratic pols than giving platforms to David Frum and Howard Kurtz and Andrew Sullivan could possibly bear. Orestes Ippeau Yeah, I have my camp counsellor merit badge scarf to fill. Matt Not sure where your response came from related to mine... But yes, too many fingers in this particular pie, and it's pretty well known how different agencies just love to get into turf wars with each other. The post-attack was handled...appallingly poorly...but I don't equate that with some kind of malice from the white house. I've seen no small number of people making wild accusations about how the president WANTED Stevens dead because it would advance Obama's agenda that Al Queda was on the run...how a dead ambassador accomplishes that goal, I've never seen anyone even attempt to answer, but that doesn't stop paranoid idiots from claiming it anyway. Orestes Ippeau Iz the difference between the apparent and the confirmed. The CIA cannot be seen as being involved with Libyan freedom rebels or Syrian freedom rebels or whoever rebels because: and yet, Stephens was the guy, in STATE of all places, who pulled that off for the U.S. in Libya, and so logically should be involved in quasi similar role in Syria ... but not under a State op, rather under a CIA or CIA-DoD op, a JOINT AGENCIES op if you will. But, if you SAY it, you confirm CIA