sterilization it should never be about what the alive people want but about what the potential people will be forced to experience. We owe our children that at least. See there I go banging my head again. "Think about the images that come to mind when you mention the labels 'cave man,' or 'Neanderthal.' Those images are implanted and then invoked to remind us where we would be without religion, government, and toil, and are probably the biggest ideological justifications for the whole van of civilization -- armies, religion, law, the state..." I like the phrase....'van of civilization', even though it is embedded in a quote from someone else. It makes me think of the word, 'Portmanteaux' and its meaning of carrying many items together like Industrial Civilisation. Cheers for that. Kathy C. I applaud your tenacity to still take on those who troll sites they don't even agree with, because they obviously have nothing better to do with their time, than publicly attempt to disprove a reality they can't accept. And partly, who can blame them? Who among us truly "wants" to know this shit? We know it, because probably for most of us, it never was a choice. It was never something we had to let in, we just gravitated to it. As you well know, Climate Change has been steeped in obtuse denial from the get go. Sadly, unbelievably, no amount of evidence is capable of overriding our entrenched idiosyncrasies. Our early childhood experiences either hardwired us