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Also well illustrates the level of this debate that linguists (or students in the field) who defend the visibility of local languages are called “hihhules” and that in relation to this field, lay people (let us correct, for example, Esamatti1 if he has any education related to the field) come to tell you exactly for linguists specialising in language policy, social status of languages and power relations between languages in their own studies and/or research, which is the “official language of the country”.


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(Jani Koskiin (debate) 11 August 2018 at 2:17pm (EEST)) Wikipedia is not a community of experts.


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Here others are licentiates and others have, five years ago, finished their bachelor's thesis, but that makes no difference.


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The main language of Britain and Wales is English.


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The meaning and usage value of the Welsh language is very low for the average user of Wikipedia in Finnish.


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—Esamatti1 (debate) 11 August 2018 at 2:34pm (EEST) Whether there is a community of experts or not, I would at least not go to argue against a matter which I know someone has more detailed knowledge and a deeper understanding than myself, let alone begin to appoint debaters commenting on questions in their field of speciality as “hihhules”.


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As a modifier of vikipedia, I have focused on writing mainly on issues on which I have more than average Finnish knowledge, mainly minority languages, areas where a minority language is spoken and people who are in the area of speaking a minority language socially or culturally significant and well-known persons.


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(Jani Koskiin (debate) 11 August 2018 at 2:48pm (EEST)) When you talk about minority languages, could you at least try to write Wikipedia correctly so that Hawaiian speakers are not offended.


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—Otrfan (debate) August 11, 2018 at 2:53pm (EEST) I think that “vikipedia” is some sort of ideological “value"choice.


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I'm not a fan of double vein either, but I suppose there is some recommendation or community consensus on the issue, and I submit to it.


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—Esamatti1 (debate) 11 August 2018 at 2:59pm (EEST) In the conversation, everyone can write as they wish in their own comments.


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I find it interesting that in many versions of vikipedia the spelling of the word “wikipedia” has been adapted to the sound or writing system of the language in question and that is why I myself use the Finnish spelling vikipedia in this kind of free-form discussion.


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In principle, it would be possible to make it the official name of vikipedia in Finnish, but I have no interest in sacrificing my time in promoting this issue, although personally I am very fond of this spelling.


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I would hope to keep up on topic, rather than argue beside the point.


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(Jani Koskiin (debate) 11 August 2018 at 3:12pm (EEST)) There is no need for discussion if the State has only one official language and this language is also the main language of the region.


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However, the issue is apparently not that easy anywhere in the world, so yes there would still be some debate.


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E.g. The main language of Switzerland is undoubtedly (Swiss) German, but the French and Italian language versions of the French and Italian languages are nevertheless used in the Finnish Wikipedia, since these languages are also the official languages of Switzerland and, moreover, the main languages of the regions concerned, even though German has official status in it and the canton is home to a sizeable German-speaking minority, doesn't it?


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On the other hand, the names of the country's actual national language (Swiss German) are unlikely to appear in the Finnish Wikipedia of Missi, as it does not have official status.


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On the other hand, I don't think Irish and Welsh names are even valid in areas where those languages are the main languages of the local community.


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So do you currently have any principles other than that the author chooses the name according to his own liking without thinking about consistency?


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Ujanairi (debate) 11 August 2018 at 2:36pm (EEST) Switzerland is a federal state with each canton having its own official languages.


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Irish-speaking areas of Ireland are, I understand, officially monolingual.


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Wales is an autonomous region whose laws are passed by the British Parliament.


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The country's predominant language is English and, alongside it, has officially recognised status.


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What's so hard to get confused about this?


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—Esamatti1 (debate) 11 August 2018 at 2:47pm (EEST) Wales has extensive self-government and its own legislative body, which e.g.


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enact all laws regarding language.


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(Jani Koskiin (debate) 11 August 2018 at 2:50pm (EEST)) That is, the main language is used because the language is used.


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But on what basis and according to what practice? —Urjanhai (debate) 11 August 2018 at 2:58pm (EEST) And what or who at any time defines which language is the “power language”?


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Independent external source, like or scream vote, or does the fact that the proxy language happens to be language a or language b?


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And if an independent external source, then what?


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A map book in Finnish has been presented, are there any others? —Urjanhai (discussion) 11 August 2018 at 3:09pm (EEST) Based on consistency, usability and the needs of the Finnish-speaking user.


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To avoid future editing wars over, say, New Zealand's Māori language names.


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Nomination sources are used and, if necessary, resort to map books.


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—Esamatti1 (discussion) 11 August 2018 at 3:13pm (EEST) “The needs of the Finnish-speaking user” are in no way objectively measurable.


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(Jani Koskiin (debate) 11 August 2018 at 3:17pm (EEST)) I am regrettably Finnish (I speak Finnish 100 times more fluently than any of the six languages I say I speak in a general context, not to mention writing) and my need is just different from yours, Dear Esamatti1.Iivarius (debate) 11 August 2018 at 18:06pm (EEST) The name order of the logo found on the municipality's own website would be independent of the source and as close as possible to the people's own position.


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After all, they have their own representatives voted into the local council and the local council ultimately decides what the municipal logo looks like.


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(Jani Koskiin (debate) 11 August 2018 at 3:17pm (EEST)) I personally would support a source at the highest level of organisation possible.


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In Finland, the official language of the municipality is not even decided by the municipal council, but by law and the ratio of the population.


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Only if the municipality wants to be bilingual voluntarily, if it does not have to, it is allowed to make that choice, but even then the list of municipalities' linguistics is at a higher level, and the majority language is determined by population ratios anyway.


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In some other country it may be otherwise, and I'm not familiar with e.g. The situation in Wales, but even if, for example, the municipalities themselves have the power to decide, in all cases, it would be surprising if we did not have a person responsible for keeping records of them.


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—Urjanhai (debate) 11 August 2018 at 3:25pm (EEST) Well, if we take the highest possible organisational position on this issue, then we will come to an interesting result which, of course, would not hinder me in any way, but on the contrary: the National Assembly for Wales, i.e. the whole of Wales a self-governing body granted power by the British Parliament to decide e.g.


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on the whole language policy in Wales, has passed a law in 2016 requiring that in all road signs Welsh names are placed first: “Where a sign contains the Welsh language as well as the English language, the Welsh language text must be positioned so as to be read first.”


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(If anyone has since visited Wales and seen signs where the language order is different, this is because of course not all signs have been introduced in such a small period of time.)


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Welsh language policy could be characterised as such that laws enacted by the National Assembly for Wales give certain minimum standards for the kind of language policy to be conducted at lower levels of government, but on matters of which the National Assembly is not unequivocal the law drafted, decided at the county or municipal level.


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At county level, I believe, it is decided, for example, on the language policy of schools, i.e. how much and in which localities there are Welsh or English schools in a given county.


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All counties are obliged to use both Welsh and English in their public communications, but they can decide for themselves what is the internal working language and the language of internal communication (i.e. in which the decisions and opinions of the county administration are prepared and in which language the results of the work will eventually just be translated).


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Indeed, a few in the county council have taken a decision by voting to use Welsh as a working language within the administration.


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As for municipalities, they are, of course, again subject to the minimum standards for language policy set by the National Assembly for Wales and, at the same time, their own county, but otherwise they have free rein to decide, for example, what constitutes an internal working language in local government.


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In summary, you could therefore say that in Wales there are no single and bilingual municipalities in the same sense as in Finland, so that one could make a centralised list of municipalities indicating which municipality is in which language.


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For certain matters Welsh is compulsory under the laws of the National Assembly to be used throughout Wales, while some matters are decided at lower levels of government.


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(Jani Koskiin (debate) 11 August 2018 at 5:07pm (EEST)) Wikipedia article names are not decided on the basis of street signs or online logos.


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I think it's about time we stopped worrying about it.


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—Esamatti1 (debate) 11 August 2018 at 5:13pm (EEST) That was something to be expected because I suppose in most countries the language policy arrangements are their own.


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Generally, nomenclature sources, which can be used as sources in Wikipedia, are produced by the authorities and research institutes responsible for nomenclature management in each country and are diverted to more general use.


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- Eg, bring someone previously linked map.


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Or how eg names are on local highway general maps, gt maps, etc?


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Here again, then, the aspiration would be to upper-level independent, reliable and comprehensive sources.


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—Urjanhai (debate) 11 August 2018 at 5:53pm (EEST) But do not the maps mainly reflect the language policy pursued, that is, would it not be more straightforward to justify the practice with a language policy than a map?


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But if you have to find a map now, how about this: The direct link to the map is here: The map will be more readable if the lowest tick (predictive agricultural land classification) is not selected in the menu displayed on the left.


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This is therefore a map produced by the Welsh Autonomous Body, which describes land uses, etc.


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Other maps produced by the Welsh Government I failed to quickly guugling to find.


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The map app can be used in English and Danish languages.


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The links I provided are to the English version, and you can change the language version from the top right button by selecting “Cymraeg” or “English” in the Welsh version.


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Noteworthy, however, that when using the map app in English, all place names with different names in Welsh and English appear on the map so that the Welsh place name predates the English language.


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This applies to the whole of Wales.


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So if it is official policy in Wales (judging from this map) that even the English readership is presented with maps that give Welsh names before English speakers, then I can't really think of a reason why we should do differently with a Finnish readership .


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(Jani Koskiin (debate) on 12 August 2018 at 11:10am (EEST)) The problem may be that e.g. Language policy in Finland and Norway, together with other infrastructure and research policies, produces maps that are reliable and transparent, secure nomenclature sources and deal with different languages equally and neutrally.


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It is possible that in all countries this is not the case.


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What is the situation e.g. In Wales, I can't say.


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Both Finland and Norway, for example, have online watercourse maps, but they show nomenclature in both Finnish and, for example, Sámi, nomenclature, which is reflected in eros compared to nomenclature data based on nomenclature, e.g. national surveying institutions in map services ().


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(I don't know Sámi, but you can tell if you compare different services, and when you compare Finnish services with Finnish, you can see the same.)


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The most terrible kura is some American geonames I already referred to (a hill called Ryssänovens Ryssughar).


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In any case, that language policy itself is probably written somewhere (or not, I can't say, in Finland it is).


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On the other hand, I suppose the real issue here is this 1) the use of Finnish map books as a source of nomenclature (yes or no, and in what cases) and 2) “the use of the “kingdom language” of each country as serving “Finnish readers”.


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In Finnish, I suppose we have some of the world map books translated from the international atlas, where e.g. Wales is typically something the size of one or two palms or that class at the maximum.


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Then the question may arise that if one object happens to appear on such a map and another object does not, then whether we should stick to some random Finnish world map book, if, for example, in more detailed maps that are not printed in Finnish as books, the names missing from these books and perhaps a large number of other names are the other way around.


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(And in addition, tests can be done on those translated maps: If they say something like Lakhdenpokhya or Ryssughar, then it is quite clear that the source cannot be of high quality.)


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Or, on the other hand, is the purpose of some random map book translated into multiple languages the same as Wikipedia as an encyclopedia?


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You can actually evaluate it by studying these map books.


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That is, when we have e.g. Nomenclature source databases such as that eki.ee are used in the surrounding regions of Finland, so if accurate, we would be forced to use elsewhere if we want to follow the principles of wikipedia.


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That is, therefore, look for reliable and independent external sources.


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Somewhere, besides the names and languages of the opposite, can be a contentious political issue.


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What are we supposed to do then?


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In this case, it may be necessary to look at, for example, what national organisations such as the UN have recommended the use of names.


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And again, accordingly, to look for these sources of nomenclature and evaluate them.


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Nomenclature sources are decided on wikipedia communally: Wikipedia:Nomenclature sources.


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And then as another question, this “proxy language” or “official language”.


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If such a concept is a criterion, then there must also be a reliable, independent and neutral source for the criterion concept.


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And likewise, the alignment based on the criterion should be in line with the general principles of wikipedia - such as Wikipedia:Checkability, Wikipedia:Neutrality, and on the other hand it should correspond to the same alignments outside wikipedia, for which there are often also independent and reliable sources.


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It is quite obvious that arguments exist in favour of the fact that when, for example, much information and information in the world passes through major languages such as Enlanti, German, French, Spanish, Russian, etc., there is some clarity about the use of the names used by speakers of these languages will.


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But then these principles should also be expressed and written open transparently and clearly.


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That is, what is the “official language” and what is the “language of power” (if it is up to it), and what does, for example, the de-wiki e.g. now the Welsh name that has been the starting point of this debate is in the form it is, although at the same time de wiki has Närpes and Lohja.


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That is, whether the procedure is based on a conscious reasoned choice, or simply because the whole issue of that part of the world has not happened to be addressed.


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In EN-wiki, I do a lot of work on issues like this, but in this case when the other language is the wiki's own language and the whole issue is therefore not up to date, the solution must be sought elsewhere, i.e.


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where has been concluded and on what basis in the en-wiki in cases where the other language is not English, or where has been concluded in these British Isles cases in Wikis whose language is not English.


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So far, that chart-book argument has gained support, but there may be other arguments.


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When different Wikipedias (predictably I guess others you've edited yourself) have different positions taken on this, then this about at least roughly suggests that there may be different positions.


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But, of course, only insofar as the issue has been considered and the result of the reflection is justified.


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That is, since wikipedia is not a source, the only thing that is interesting then is what are the arguments by which each wikipedia's positions may have been substantiated.


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On the other hand, many times again what outcome has been reached seems to vary randomly.


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If you want to change this kind of thing, you can be prepared to do major preparatory work through the Wikipedia principles.


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—Urjanhai (debate) 12 August 2018 at 1:07pm (EEST) There are a lot of cases where border drawing can be difficult if, for example, the region has already “originally” been multilingual or if the change of the main language in the region has occurred a long time ago, but I still think there are cases where the use of a minority language should be clear as day, at least if ALL of the following conditions are met: 1) In the locality or region.


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the language is clearly more original with respect to the state's proxy language.


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2) Even today, more than 50% of the inhabitants of the locality or region speak ko.


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language according to a reliable source.


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3) It is the practice of a locality, a region or even an autonomous community as a whole to use it.


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linguistic names as primary names in those contexts in which both names occur in parallel.


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Could it be taken as a principle that local names could be used as primary names at LEAST for those place names for which all these conditions are met?


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One could then discuss how to do if only some of these conditions are met and hone the details.


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(Jani Koskiin (discussion) 12 August 2018, 1:55pm (EEST)) Yes, not good.


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It is pointless to discuss with such people, the same enmity will continue for eternity.


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—Esamatti1 (debate) 12 August 2018 at 3:25pm (EEST) Just asking: has anyone ever noticed that Esamatti1 would admit to being wrong?


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No, of course not.


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His actions make me understand Leonid Markelov at times.


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Iivarius (debate) 12 August 2018 at 4:54pm (EEST) The point here is that we need to find general sources and justify the choice of this general source using Wikipedia principles such as WP:reviewability, WP:neutrality, WP:no new research, etc.


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Calculations of the percentages of language users and the impact of this on matters and recommendations or regulations on this basis may well have been done by some authorities somewhere ao.


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in the country or may be, for example, general recommendations of international organisations or international agreements, etc. These recommendations and regulations of the authorities of each country or, for example, international agreements can then be communicated neutrally, and when e.g. The Finnish authorities have made their own policies, so at least de-wiki nicely names their articles on the places in Finland after them.


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There can then be a debate as to which general source we should go with, that our action on the matter should be based on the principles of Wikipedia (at least those above, perhaps others).


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compliant.


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That is, for example, is some random atlas of the world translated into Finnish just in this matter a sufficiently high quality and reliable source?


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It may or may not be.


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It needs to be investigated and, against the principles of Wikipedia, clarified.


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Sometimes e.g. Wikipedia had information that Köyliönjärvi counts Kokemäenjoki and a map of this kind as the source.


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Then the source was not of sufficient quality in that very matter and the choice of source was not justified.


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—Urjanhai (debate) 12 August 2018 at 4:35pm (EEST) I will now clarify: I suppose sometimes there were some apparently diligent and well-deserved modifiers who had the agenda to change all the place names of Finland and neighbouring regions to Finnish, even when there were no changes reliable source or source in the first place, and the source may have been provided even with suomi24.fi discussions.


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When this has been a while, I can no longer remember whether it followed or whether it happened, regardless of this, that the database eki.ee in the neighbouring regions of Finland and Kotus publications in Finland was taken as the source of the name, or whether these had already been established independently of this.


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But then when there was a clear source then it was clear and chattering away.


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That is, clarity is thus obtained by engaging with arguments based on wikipedia principles, the debate breeding, which reliable, high-quality, independent and neutral source in whatever matter is chosen for adherence to. —Urjanhai (debate) 12 August 2018 at 5:06pm (EEST) The “language activist” in question was therefore User:Inzulac and his alterego, who might be described only as “diligent”.


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Similar problems here are tried to avoid.


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A couple of examples of Kittean “language activism”:,.


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Is this what we want on Wikipedia?


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—Esamatti1 (debate) 12 August 2018 at 5:16pm (EEST) When the most active period was apparently even before I started editing myself, and especially since those alter egos for the same reason do not find out, then my understanding is really not very accurate, especially with regard to those elder phases .


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—Urjanhai (debate) 12 August 2018 at 5:34pm (EEST) I hope Esamati's time will pass smoothly as he researches my background from another site.


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I can justify in another context why the local (kin) form of place names in Finland could be presented on road signs and why there really would be nothing miraculous if we compare with developments that have occurred in many other regions of Europe in recent times in decades.


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In this context, however, I will not comment on the matter, as this is now primarily about languages, 1) which have as well established a writing system and language maintenance as Finnish or English, 2) which already have official status in their own speaking area, and 3) which are owned by local governments language policy even in many cases favors relative to the conqueror language.


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(Jani Koskiin (debate) 13 August 2018 at 5:04pm (EEST)) I, too, have spoken very much about the regulations and practices of each country's own authorities here, at least as far as Wales is concerned.


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All possible regulations made by Welsh authorities and administration on inter-language order support the primacy of Welsh: using Welsh names on road signs as priority throughout Wales, using Welsh names as priorities for Welsh Government in the map produced and using Welsh names primarily for municipalities, etc.


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the administrative departments on their own websites.


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These are the only facts that can be pointed to, as far as the language policies of the country's own authorities are concerned.


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It should be sufficient to take as a principle the country's own language policy, at least in countries where minority languages have genuine opportunities to promote their cause through politics at all.


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(Jani Koskiin (debate) 13 August 2018 at 4:09pm (EEST)) “The Conqueror Language” also tells quite a lot about your ideology.


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I have made my argument, and I accept Savir's solution.


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—Esamatti1 (debate) 13 August 2018 at 6:31pm (EEST) I have now transferred almost all the articles on the locality of Wales and Scotland to the names of the Map Centre I mentioned here, insofar as they are mentioned.


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Some of them were already under the right name.


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I also added a source reference to the articles I transferred to make them better safe from now on.


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Other Finnish atlases I've browsed seem to have these same names, but I haven't gone through all of them.


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There are also those in Geographica that this Map Center does not have.


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Also, there would be plenty of opportunities to tinker with names by analogy on the same principle.


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—Savir (debate) 13 August 2018 at 6:20pm (EEST) Savir has now moved articles away from their original names.


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I returned some back to their original names and Savir retweeted them so started an editing war.


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Is there going to be an edit block for him like it came to me?


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(Jani Koskiin (debate) 13 August 2018 at 20:14 (EEST)) The rule is that if you undo the same edit for the third time without discussion on the subject, you commit editing wars.


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Savir apparently concluded that there would have been enough arguments in favour of his position in this debate, which had attracted the support of some of the participants in the debate.


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However, everything related has certainly not yet been brought up and further arguments can still be made.


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If further arguments are made, then they can be debated.


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The names Lorraine and Lothringen were even sometimes voted on, but I would see that continuing the debate and especially looking for sources and critical walkthroughs is a more fruitful way to go, as well as looking for what kind of arguments have made decisions in other wikis.


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- Often, though, it is so that the most persistent or smooth movement gets its position across, so sources outside wikipedia are better.


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—Urjanhai (debate) 13 August 2018 at 8:28pm (EEST) I don't think anyone could do the actual summary of the debate yet, and of course someone (tm) could do it. —Urjanhai (debate) 13 August 2018 at 8:29pm (EEST) I think the real question is whether the Finnish map book produces an exonym.


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On the other hand, if you can turn the head of the chart-book publisher into the next edition, you will be strong. —Urjanhai (debate) 13 August 2018 at 8:31pm (EEST) Such “analogue tinkering” already goes so much on the side of your own research that it also raises doubts about the validity of the map books themselves as a source and the compliance with Wikipedia policies of their use in this context and for that I would not consider the matter definitively resolved.


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If there is a nomenclature source, then yes it should cover the entire nomenclature, and if the source does not cover the entire nomenclature, then is it the nomenclature source?


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—Urjanhai (debate) 13 August 2018 at 22:01pm (EEST) On the basis of the criteria put forward until now, I would not be able to use the phrase “for real names”.


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There may be sufficient arguments (when you would only know which way), but I would see that they haven't been exhaustively presented yet.


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—Urjanhai (debate) 13 August 2018 at 10:10pm (EEST) Refining the place name policy Wikipedia:Naming convention #Vieraskielinen place naming includes the practice of retrieving Russian place names only from EKI.


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The policy would need to be refined and agreed more thoroughly on the language of place names and which nomenclature sources are used in the articles.


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Guidelines on this have already been outlined above.


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—Raksa123 (debate) 13 August 2018 at 9:12pm (EEST) What language place name is Vienna?


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Iivarius (debate) 13 August 2018 at 22:00 (EEST) One thing that has not yet been raised is whether the Centre for Domestic Languages may have made any recommendations or guidance on which language names should be used in Finnish contexts.


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I think this should be investigated.


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Another, which has also not been raised, whether the Kotus' instructions online or in books have highlighted something related to this.


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For example, there are very specific instructions on inflections of place names in different languages.


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The third, which has not been raised, is whether names such as this have been introduced in Finnish guidebooks on geographical names of the world, e.g. those written by Kerkko Hakulinen, and this newer “Parisian parrot noska”, etc.


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In addition, there may be booklets in the fields of denomination research and nomenclature where the topic may have been paged.


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In addition to this, one could look at other sources in Finnish, such as science fiction and non-fiction on these areas.


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After that come the corresponding international sources.


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That is, on the other hand, occurrences of the use of names in maps and map services of that country and, accordingly, in maps and map services of other speaking countries, because their relationship with that country and its languages as outsiders is the same as our own, i.e. an outsider.


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On the other hand, any recommendations from third countries or international scientific research, or recommendations of nation-wide organisations or any international agreements.


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- There has been no exhaustive examination of these either so far.


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And further from these, or also otherwise, it can become precisely the question that, whether there should be nomenclature sources, and if so what and on what basis defined.


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—Urjanhai (debate) 13 August 2018 at 10:51pm (EEST) The page contains open data from the Ordnance Survey, apparently the UK Land Survey.


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There you can find, for example, where there are different lingual forms of place names.


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is probably accurate enough to show all the place names, since the scale is 1:3,000-1:20 ,000.


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An overview can be obtained from a more inaccurate map.


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—Raksa123 (debate) 13 August 2018 at 10:57pm (EEST) 1:250 000 map (map sheet SH.tif) the island is “Bardsey Island/Ynys Enlli” and the strait next to it is “Bardsey Sound”.


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On the other hand, in that more accurate Local map (map sheet SH12SW.tif), the island is “Ynys Enlli/Bardsey Island” and the strait “Swnt Enlli/Bardsey Sound”.


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—Raksa123 (debate) 19 August 2018 at 12:41pm (EEST) I propose this as a hierarchy of sources for the selection of the name: Specific recommendation issued by the Language Office General rule The format used in the Finnish map book Conclusive general rule Used by another quality source in Finnish, such as a non-fiction book or expert UN recommendation UN Recommendation General rule to be inferred from UN recommendations The country itself in its primary official language and in Latin letters name format used by a map published by a Wikipedia article in the primary official language of that administrative region Within each category a newer or otherwise justifiably higher quality recommendation overturns the parent.


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—Savir (debate) 16 August 2018 at 10:14pm (EEST) I believe that the outline is in the right direction, except that “map books in Finnish” are problematic insofar as there are no guarantees (unless the principles and procedures are explicitly opened, e.g. a map book in the preface) on what the solutions are based on.


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They may be sources of mostly Finnish conciliatory names vs.


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for the use of primordial names, which tend to be mainly found in places very large or very close to Finland.


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Furthermore, they tend to be small-scale and contain only a pene portion of the names, and the delineation of what names can fit on the map is haphazard from the point of view of the ensemble of the nomenclature.


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The “inference of general stubs” on the basis of such material is already new research and, as far as I can see, is not out of the question.


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If general rules on the use of foreign country place names are presented e.g. Kotus, let's be on more solid ground.


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With the comprehensive datasets produced by the country's own authorities, the same is already on a more solid basis.


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Such materials may also include or involve written and declared statements with justification.


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The principles may also be presented by international organisations or may be included in international agreements.


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Today, when maps are produced from spatial data, the same data sets often appear in both maps and databases, both of which, at least in the EU, may also exist as open data.


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—Urjanhai (debate) 16 August 2018 at 10:52pm (EEST) I am opposed to such rules if they lead to articles being named inconsistently just because a single map book happens to use some specific format from a single location.


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Urjanhai has some good points above.


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For example, place names must be transliterated uniformly and can be used as forms consistent with some rational logic.


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For example, the rivers of Japan may appear in world atlases of what kind of spellings, but all rivers in Wikipedia must be named rationally according to a unified logic.


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Local knowledgeable sources are, in many cases, better and more reliable than general maps covering the world, whose authors cannot be more closely familiar with the conditions of many regions.


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It must be possible to exercise case-by-case judgement and at least not elevate general map books above other sources.


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The English Wikipedia often names and transliterates articles just how it hurts if a form has happened to appear in some English source — not go into such chaos.


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—Epiq (discussion) 17 August 2018 at 01:09am (EEST) First in my list are the Language Office guidelines to help avoid those problems you fear.


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They can be found, for example, which say that Japanese names are Latinized by the Hepburn system.


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In this map, too, the rivers of Japan are written in the same way as here, except that they are joined again in accordance with the river.


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In my list, the general recommendation of the Language Office is item 2 and thus higher than the writing format given by the atlas, so the name format used here is consistent with it.


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Why would you oppose that?


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What source would you like to name Japan's rivers?


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Not a Japanese, “local knowledgeable source” adds to the end of their rivers as they are Japanese-speaking sources.


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And do they know that the Hepburn system is used in Finland?


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In Japan, the Kunrei system is used.


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Only Finnish-language sources and Finnish transfer writing standards know the correct forms of writing to the Finnish language.


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And in my map, I think they are also correct, and I already told you that this atlas uses the UN referral recommendations.


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If they were not correct or used in Finland, the Language Office's recommendations would be used to find the right forms.


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It is with the use of consistent Finnish recommendations and atlases that the chaos you fear will be avoided, not by starting to hunt for the “real” name of each locality on a case-by-case basis on god knows what foreign-language website.


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Moreover, this debate is not so much about even that but the choice of the language version of the name.


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—Savir (debate) 17 August 2018 at 02:10am (EEST) And for that the map book is opaque: it is not possible to know what the content is based on if it is not reported in relation to a topic.


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Sometimes when I researched something by comparing different encyclopedias, I noticed that texts are recycled from one encyclopedia to another.


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On that, I agree there needs to be general sources.


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Nowadays, map books are already starting to be a bit ancient, and inevitably databases and map services are highlighted (they were on the en-wiki list too), and printed sources in Finnish are being driven down. —Urjanhai (debate) 17 August 2018 at 08:09am (EEST) Other sources are mentioned in addition to map books.


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In the Finnish language region, where up-to-date map books today consist of a number of thin maps of the world with the fingers of one hand, these map books are sources of such a general level that only limited information can be obtained from them.


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In cases where a decision is made to either preserve or change the name outfit or add a Finnish attribute, they may be reliable as regards this modification and insertion.


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A good test can be, for example, veäläläinen names: They should be transliterated differently in Finnish than in English.


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The quality and “Finnish language” of the map book can then be judged by whether this has been done.


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But when Russia is a large country and many other countries small, then what is the consideration of the corresponding nipples by country?


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In map books that are made in large language areas, these nipples can be made or not, depending on the quality of the source.


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The highest-quality and thickest map books may not even be finalized.


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Or if you do Finnish or translate into other languages, will you be taken into account if the initial language of the map is English? —Urjanhai (debate) 17 August 2018 at 08:26am (EEST) There is a very extensive instruction on naming geographical places in Enkkuwiki.


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I have not read it completely, and I do not know if it is entirely in line with my own position, but as far as I can see, even there, many times, the texts written in that Wikipedia's own language (English there, we have Finnish) are given priority.


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It says “When a widely accepted English name, in a modern context, exists for a place, we should use it.”


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and the section “Widely accepted name” defines mentioned “widely accepted names”.


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Atlases are also mentioned at the top of the list of nomenclature sources.


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—Savir (debate) 16 August 2018 at 11:25pm (EEST) The arguments and arguments of other wikis really worth examining and exploiting carefully, because often there has been extensive development and experience in structuring issues and structuring them according to Wikipedia principles.


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This detailed instruction is well suited as a starting point and it is worth copying it accurately rather than ragging.


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In other things, we have had the biggest problems with copying a line from en-wiki instructions from there and another from here and then trying to fill the gaps with minnow instead of returning to the sources.


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Of course, only when Finnish is a small language and English is a big one, then the boundaries will be met at a different point.


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But atlases really in Finland, where there are a few map books in Finland where e.g. Wales is the size of a pack of matches, are completely marginal source.


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That is, “general” Finnish-language sources are non-existent.


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So then we will be forced to go further than the sea to fish. —Urjanhai (debate) 17 August 2018 at 08:09am (EEST) The second policy page mentions “For lesser known geographical objects or structures with few reliable English sources, follow the translation convention, if any, used for well known objects or structures of the same type e.g.


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because Rheintal and Moseltal are translated Rhine Valley and Moselle Valley, it makes sense to translate lesser known valley names in the same way.”


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That means that if no Finnish name source is found for a minor place, it can be named in Finnish like similar places, even if that name has not been found anywhere.


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—Savir (debate) 16 August 2018 at 11:34pm (EEST) In fact, that doesn't mean it because that means a different thing.


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About the case.


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that name is chosen from local names has its own points in that guideline.


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That reasoning that language choice should be similarly done is your own.


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In Finland, we also have Närpiö Närpes, Merikarvia Sastmola, etc. on the coast, and they change on a case-by-case basis, and there are name-naming principles defined for them out there (i.e. in an agency called kotus in Finland) and lists of permits on how to name the place and how to name the place the list of deadlines will be updated.


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We cannot know anything about similar stuff in some other bilingual region of the country, but it sits on top of that information, if there is such a thing. —Urjanhai (debate) 17 August 2018 at 08:09am (EEST) The pragmatic perspective on the matter is that when we are a small country, most things are enmeshed in our consciousness through the main language of each country or, more generally, the languages of the world, and at least some countries have a chosen line uses the country's power language in place names.


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(E.g. In Russia, excluding places with a Finnish name, because the language of our own wiki is Finnish.)


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And this principle has been upheld here, and it may be that it was written into something.


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Then, of course, if this principle is to be followed, it will be followed, and it will be clearly written out and justified.


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- Or if there are arguments to discuss, they will be discussed.


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But not that the fig leaf of this principle, driving a snake into a gun, is put something like “map books”, insofar as the introductions to the map books do not have the principles followed in them expresslynot opened.


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To the extent that has been opened, and the reasoning is ok, can be followed.


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Because there is a bias in that filtering principle that if a proxy language along the way uses its own forms, then are they always correct as such when transferred to the Finnish context.


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If the Finnish text says e.g. Tagus, Vienna, Florence, Lakhdenpokhya, Ulyanovsk or Ulyanowsk, then they are wrong.


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- These examples are easy when almost everyone with general education knows what is right, but what about more complex cases?


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—Urjanhai (debate) 17 August 2018 at 09:01am (EEST) The above method of using place names according to the country's national language (if there is no Finnish name format) would be at least a simple practice.


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I guess there is no statistic from Germany as to whether some municipalities in Schleswig-Holstein have a Danish- or Frisian-speaking majority.


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Likewise, Austria has a few municipalities where the majority speak Slovene, Hungarian or Croatian.


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In South Tyrol, one would need to investigate whether the majority language of the municipality is German, Italian or Ladini.


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If there were language statistics, then in small municipalities the majority language might change frequently and article names would have to be changed back and forth.


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—Raksa123 (debate) 19 August 2018 at 12:51pm (EEST) Kappas but.


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, tar.


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—Feathers (debate) 20 August 2018 at 3:40pm (EEST) If the debate is to continue, it would be better suited to the discussion page of the Naming Policy Guide, because here it is, for example, under the threat of filing.


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I opened a chain there.


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I also added a reminder to the instruction that foreign-language place names are, in principle, subject to the same naming guidelines as other articles.


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I think that rule has not been repealed so far.


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—Savir (debate) 5 September 2018 at 7:30pm (EEST)


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Joensuu () is an American football team located on the northern bank of Pyhäselä, Saimaa, at the mouth of the Pielis River in North Karelia Province.


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Joensuu is the 12th largest city in Finland by population.


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The Joensuu city area is home to about Expression error: Unrecognized punctuation character “[”.


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human beings.


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Neighboring municipalities of Joensuu are Ilomantsi, Kontiolahti, Lieksa, Liperi, Rääkkylä and Tohmajärvi.


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Joensuu is part of the Joensuu sub-region, which now also includes the municipalities of Ilomantsi, Juua, Kontiolahti, Liper and Polvijärvi, as well as the city of Outokumpu.


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Of these, Ilomantsi is not involved in the Joensuu region cooperation.


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The European Forestry Institute is located in the city.


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In autumn 2008, the city of Joensuu received its own flag, designed by Leea Wasenius.


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It is based on the city's coat of arms.


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The town's titular animal was named the rupee lizard.


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Geography and Cityscape Joensuu is located on the banks of Pyhäselä, part of the Lake District of Saimaa, into which the Pielisjoki River divides the city into two parts.


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As of 2004, the town had a total area of 120.3km², of which land areas comprised 81.9km².


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The population density, taking into account land areas, was 643 as at the beginning of 2004. /km².


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With the 2005 association of municipalities, Joensuu's total area became 1,311.94km², of which there are 1,171,06km² of land.


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Cityscape The principles of Joensuu cityscape were created in the first city plan drawn up by architect Claës Wilhelm Gyldén in 1848.


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It shows the division of the city into regular-sized rectangular blocks, which were initially divided into six plots.


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Gyldén's city plan represents empire zoning ideals that emphasize the promotion of fire safety by dividing the city with wide park streets that slow the spread of fire.


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This ideal culminated in the General Building Order of Cities (KYRJ) issued in 1856.


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The preserved principles of Gyldén's city plan include: an alignment that follows the shoreline of the Pielis River Promenade as closely as possible, a parkland of varying width between the promenade and the shoreline, the assignment of two church plots from the mounds to Lutheran and Orthodox alike for the church, Kirkkokatu park axis Siltakadu station as a transverse park street the location of the market square; originally two blocks had been allocated for the town square. It was necessary to revise the station plan as early as the 1860s.


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The main reason was the plots proving too small.


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In the formula established by Ferdinand Öhman in 1867, the above features had been highlighted.


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In addition, an axis of parks, squares and public buildings had been created between the bridge street and Koskikatu, which even today is highlighted in Joensuu's cityscape.


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The town hall, Liberty Park, Joensuu Market, Central Alley and Central Park block containing commercial buildings, the block of the former lyceum (now the Art Museum) are located on the banks of the river Pielis on the axis, which is based on the winning proposal of Eliel Saarinen's architectural competition, Joensuu Lyceum High School, Lyceum Primary School, Joensuu Sports House and Friendship Park.


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Later there is the main building of the University of Eastern Finland located just outside the old checkerboard area.


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In the station plan, the plot division of the blocks was changed to a 4-division, but this was only implemented in new unbuilt blocks.


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The old blocks followed the old block of six lots, or a combination of the two.


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The variability of the plot allocation is still typical in central Joensuu.


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Joensuu was realised as a distinctive empire wooden town, characterised by low buildings and wide street space compared to older cities.


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The first private stone houses appeared in the early 20th century and larger business houses began to be implemented along Bridge Street at the end of the 1940s.


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However, the wood-town look survived long into the 1960s.


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In the 1970s, the old building stock was quickly replaced by lamellar flats comprising a usually above-ground basement and three residential floors, which today form uniform street spaces along north-south facing blocks.


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At its ends, the block structure was open, so in this regard the urban structure implements the ideal of functionalism.


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In the early 2000s, major investments affecting the urban landscape have been made in central Joensuu, including a pedestrian centre project.


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This has been followed by private investors with new commercial building projects in the market area.


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Joensuu was until 1954 a small agra market town blockaded by the municipality of Pielisensuu and competing with it.


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Many sawmills and surrounding mill settlements such as Utra, Sirkkala and Penttilä sawmill were stamped upon the town and surrounding suburbs.


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The town had been expanded on the eastern side of the river Pielis by the city plan for the Niinivaara district drawn up by Bertel Jung.


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After the wars, colonists and frontmen had also been inhabited in the new districts of Otsola and Kanervala, the construction of which was based on type houses created by the SAFA Standardisation Office of the Finnish Architects Association.


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With the wider urban complex formed after the municipal annexation in early 1955, it was easier to plan for the future of the region.


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The Joensuu General Formula (1953), drawn up by Otto-Iivari Meurman, created the case for future growth by applying the suburban principle to designate new construction areas, as well as the renewal of the main road, inter alia, on the circulating ring road around the city centre area.


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Since the end of the 1990s, Joensuu has increased the supply of detached houses, while the areas of working and doing business have expanded through the territories.


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Meurman's general formula also laid the foundation for a network of green spaces in the urban area, the main features of which are the routes following the banks of Pielisjoki and Pyhäselä, as well as the concentration of leisure services in Mehtimäki and Linnunlahti.


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Since the 1970s, a university campus of the University of Eastern Finland has been created on the west side of the city centre next to Mehtimäki.


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Urban planning has taken into account the continuity of green spaces, so-called green corridors, and good light transport links both in the centre and on the periphery of the city.


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Joensuu is a clearly structured city, and it is not particularly easy to get lost in its downtown area.


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It is considered to be a mistake in the cityscape and the architecture of the city, that the visual links to Pyhäselä, right next door, are poor in many places.


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Instead, the river Pielis is an integral and visible part of the cityscape.


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Improving the views of Pyhäselä has been taken into account in the general guidelines for the development of the city.


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The most notable of the new areas are the red-brick-dominated Rantakylä in the 1970s and the blond Noljakka, which was carried out in the 1980s and 1990s.


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Of these, as well as Niinivaara, efforts have been made to develop powerful regional centres with high-rise cores.


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Major neighborhoods include separate library, school, health station, pharmacy and postal services and shopping centers as unified service centers.


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The vast majority of the population lives in a rather limited area in the main districts, and therefore trips to the services are short.


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On top of Niinivaara, which dominates river views in Joensuu, there is the Central Hospital of North Karelia.


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Right on the edge of the central checkerboard area are the Joensuu campus of the University of Eastern Finland and part of Karelia University of Applied Sciences.


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At the end of 2017, Joensuu had 76,067 inhabitants, of whom 67,051 lived in built-up areas, 8,187 in sparsely populated areas and the coordinates of 829 inhabitants were unknown.


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The agglomeration rate is calculated from residents whose coordinates of residence are known; the agglomeration rate of Joensuu is 89.1%.


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[1] Joensuu's agglomeration population is divided between 11 different agglomerations: [2] The city centre area is shown in bold.


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The agglomerations marked with an asterisk (*) belong to this city only partially.


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In addition to Joensuu, the central area of Joensuu extends partly to the municipalities of Kontiolahti and Liper.


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In total, the central area of Joensuu has 67,811 inhabitants and covers an area of 72.12 square kilometers.


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[3] The bowl agglomeration extends mainly to the territory of Kontiolahti Municipality.


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[2] Architecture Joensuu held a 1995 housing fair in Marjala district.


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The special theme of the fair was an accessible environment.


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Joensuu has a town hall designed by Eliel Saarinen from 1913.


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In 1993, a new library house was completed.


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The most significant buildings completed in the 21st century are Joensuu Arena, which when completed in 2003 was the largest wooden building in Finland and the Metla House of the Forest Research Institute, which when completed in 2004 was the largest wooden office building in Finland.


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Beginning in the middle of the first decade of the 21st century, the city centre has been busily built.


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The surroundings of the square came to a large number of new commercial buildings, the new administrative building of the university campus Aurora II was completed, Joensuu Science Park has received additional buildings, a new lyceum elementary school building was completed in 2007 to replace the demolished Lyceum Primary School.


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The shopping centre Iso Myly was completed in the autumn of 2007, covering more than 70 shops.


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Old shopping centres, for example Shopping Centre Metropolia and Centrumia, have also been renovated and expanded.


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There is a bridge over the street between Big My and Metropol that connects shopping centers.


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Joensuu has many trade centres and trade parks with large stores.


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For example, Voimatie, in the area of Joensuu Market Park, there are Prisma, and other massive department stores.


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There are 13 S-Markets in the area of Joensuu City.


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A third K-citymarket is planned in Karsikko, Joensuu.


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[4] Boroughs Before the 2005 municipal union, the city was formed of 25 boroughs: I District II District III District IV District Niinivaara (5) Otsola (6) Kanervala (7) Käpykangas (8) Sihtala (9) Mutala (10) Rantakylä (11) Utra (12) Sirkkala (13) Karsikko (14) Hukanhauta (15) Penttilä (16) Linnunlahti (17) Noljakka (18) Pilkko (20) Raatekangas (21) Marjala (22) Iiksenvaara (23) Karhunmäki (24) Fox nests (25) Iiksenniitty (26) Kuntakylä Iitos New neighbourhoods were formed from the zoned agglomerations of the joining zones: Heinävaara (27) Kyytelysvaara (28) Tuupovaara (29) Hammalahti (30) Niittylahti (31) Reijola (32) Eno (40) Uimaharju (41) Ukkola (42) Honkavaara (43) Louhioja (44) Pyhäselkä Villages Hoilola Kovero Luutalahti Mannervaara Meriinaho Ruhovaara Saarivaara Saarivaara Saaroinen Öllölä Climate Located near the eastern border, Joensuu belongs to a more continental climate than most of Finland's cities and regions.


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Joensuu Airport in Liperi has the highest temperature ever recorded in Finland in July 2010, +37,2 [5].


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History The area of present-day Joensuu has been inhabited since the Stone Age.


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Towards the end of the Bronze Age and/or early Iron Age there was a fairly extensive textile ceramic residence on the northern shore of Varapond.


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At the beginning of the 10th century, the northwestern and northern shores of Ladoga were inhabited by a distinctive Ancient Karelian culture, whose influences gradually shifted also in the direction of present-day North Karelia.


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The waterways served as wilderness access routes, bringing with them fur trappers and trading.


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The Joensuu region was mainly wilderness exploited by distant tribes (especially Ancient Karelians) and the Pielisjoki a passage between more significant areas, but there were also places to live in the area.


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Following the attainment of the Orthodox faith, a subsidiary monastery of Valamo Monastery in Joensuu was established in the 16th century, which was nevertheless eradicated by the Lutherans during the 25-Years' War, or Long Wrath.


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A village called Joensuu can already be found on maps from the time of Swedish rule, as well as in church books.


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In this case, it belonged to Kontiolahti.


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Emperor Nicholas I of Russia founded the town of Joensuu on the site of the village of Joensuu in 1848.


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The city began to grow rapidly.


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A lot of support reproduction has been practiced in the rapids of Joensuu.


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A canal was dug past the river river river and sluices were built so that bigger ships could use the river Pielis as a passage.


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Joensuu is an old timber industrial town, but today other industries have replaced the timber industry almost completely.


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Joensuu maintains Sortavala's cultural heritage.


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Since autumn 2010, the city of Joensuu has been headed by Mayor Kari Karjalainen [6].


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As his duties, the City Administrative Code defines the management of the city, monitoring and reporting on operational performance, and the development of the city's organizational culture.


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Under the City Administrative Rule, the City Board's role is to run the administration and finances of the city in accordance with the goals approved by the City Council.


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The Chairman of the City Board for the period 2009—2011 is Matti Väistö (mid.


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), as 1st Vice-President Seppo Eskelinen (sd.)


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and Liisa Vähäalo, 2nd Vice-President (ECR).


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[7] In addition to them, there are eight other members of the city board.


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The city government may set various ad hoc committees for the duration of its term of office.


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Examples of these include the Commission on International Affairs and the Commission on Street Names.


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distribution of seats and voter turnout in municipal electionsplace voting- activitySDPKOK.SKDL VAS.KESK.KESK.LKPSKL KDSMP PSVIHR.Other 1976171574431--73.8% 1980191556231--73.2% 19842015572266.7% 198820142714111a 64.0% 19942714111a 64.0% 2113632466.6% 19962013292- -5--54.9% 200020112945--47.6% 200418123113- -4--51.6% 20081912314236--54.1% 20121710313286--51.4% a Democratic Option [8] Sources: Statistics Finland, [9] Ministry of Justice [10] The President of the City Council for the period 2009-2011 is former MEP Riitta Myller (sd.


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), Pertti Ahtiainen as 1st Vice-President (mid)


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and 2nd Vice-President MP Pekka Ravi (ECR).


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[11] City service activities take place under the authority of trustee bodies known as city boards.


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The members of the boards are elected by the City Council.


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Joensuu City Boards are: Early Childhood Education and Education Board Leisure time Board of Health and Social Welfare Board Urban Structure Board Building and Environment Board The income tax rate of the city of Joensuu in 2005 is 19.00%.


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Joensuu Youth Council (Nuva), consisting of 20 full members and 19 deputies.


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Nuva promotes youth status in Joensuu.


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Ville Honkanen is chaired, I Vice-President Rami Kiiskinen and II as Vice Chairman Heidi Lonkainen.


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The Youth Council has its own speech law representatives and their deputy representatives on city boards.


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Nuva also actively organizes various events, mainly aimed at young people.


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Municipal joints and union plans Pielisensuu merged with Joensuu in 1954.


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Kiytelysvaara and Tuupovaara merged in Joensuu in 2005 and Eno and Pyhäselkä on 1 January 2009.


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On 13 November 2006, the Joensuu Municipal Board has submitted to the municipalities of Eno, Liper, Outokumpu, Polvijärvi, Kontiolahti and Pyhäselä for the initiation of a local government report.


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The investigation continued only with Eno, Polvijärvi, Kontiolahti and Pyhäselä.


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Kontiolahti opted out of the project in autumn 2007 and at the same time Polvijärvi's involvement also ended because the municipalities do not have a common land border.


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Joensuu, Eno and Pyhäselkä continued to work out the joint of municipalities.


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On December 17, 2007, Joensuu, Eno and Pyhäselkä decided to merge as of January 1, 2009, to become the new city of Joensuu.


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Economy Joensuu is a growing leader whose business life is service-oriented.


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The concentration of ICT companies has taken place in the premises offered by the Joensuu Science Park.


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Major industrial companies include lock manufacturer Abloy, and John Deere, a forestry machinery manufacturer.


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Research and product development in Joensuu is at the University, Science Park, METLA and a few companies in areas such as color research and diffractive optics.


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In 2015, the companies that paid the most corporation tax were Broman Group Oy, a key company selling spare parts and accessories for cars, Assa Abloy Oy Oy, Osuuskauppa in North Karelia, E. Hartikainen Oy operating in the areas of earthworks and car business, and Laakkonen Oy.


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[12] Jobs by industry (2002): Social services 40.6% Industry 15.8% Trade, accommodation and restaurant activities 15.7% Financial, insurance and other activities 12.1% Transport, storage and telecommunications 7.5% Construction 5.2% Unknown 1.3% Electricity, gas and telecommunications water supply 1.1% Agriculture, game, forestry and fisheries 0.6% Mining and quarrying 0.1% Joensuu's unemployment rate was 14.5% on 31 January 2007 [13] Major employers 2006: City of Joensuu (4409 employees), Municipal Corporation of North Karelia Hospital District (2220), University of Joensuu (1244), Abloy Oy (800), North Karelia Educational Association (537), North Karelia Cooperative Shop (512), VR Companies (430), North Karelian Kirjapaino Oyj (317) and Schauman Wood Oy (292).


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In the 2010s, the Palkeet Agency was established in Joensuu [14] and the Finnish Defence Forces Service Centre.


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[15] Population Joensuu's population has grown steadily since the city was founded.


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In 1850, only 129 people lived in the town.


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By 1870, there were already 2819 residents settled in the town and by 1890 4940 inhabitants.


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[16] Growth was slower in the 20th century before the Second World War (population 5971 people in 1939), [17] but significantly accelerated after the war.


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The fastest growth was in the 1950s and 1970s, when the population multiplied.


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The growth of the population was not only affected by the structural change of society from an agricultural society to a service society, which in general grew Finland's cities, but also by the regional union.


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In 1954, the then Pielisensuu Municipality was annexed to the city and so Joensuu received its current suburbs Hukanhauda, Karsiko, Mutala and Noljaka, among others.


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In the 1970s, the population was especially increased by the University of Joensuu (now University of Eastern Finland), founded in 1969.


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The latest jump in population growth can be explained by the association of municipalities on 1 January 2005.


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In other cases, the growth of the population of Joensuu has occurred in areas outside the “old city”, since, for example, in 1995 there were about 9200 Joensuu people living in the checkerboard area, which is approximately the same as 40 years before.


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The following graph shows the population trend of the town every five years since 1980.


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On 1 January 2013, the regional division used is as at the same time.


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Parishes According to the 2018 regional division, Joensuu has the following parishes of the Evangelical Lutheran Church of Finland: [18] Eno Parish Joensuu Parish Pielisensuu Parish Pielisensuu Parish of Pyhäselä Rantakylä Parish Vaara-Karelia Parish These parishes form Joensuu Congregational Group.


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Among the parishes of the Finnish Orthodox Church in the Joensuu region, the Joensuu Orthodox Congregation operates.


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[19] Former parishes The following list lists the parishes abolished in the historical period in the present area of the city of Joensuu.


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[18] Kyytelysvaara Parish (merged with Tuupovaara Parish to become Vaara-Karelia Parish 2005) Tuupovaara Parish (merged with Kyytelysvaara Parish to become Vaara-Karelia Parish 2005) Education Colleges in Joensuu are University of Eastern Finland and Karelia University of Applied Sciences.


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The University of Eastern Finland's Joensuu campus studies approx.


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7,700 students and Polytechnic c.


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4,000 - some of these, though, at secondary points in schools in other cities.


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Vocational training in various fields is provided by North Karelia Vocational College Joensuu Technology and Culture, North Karelia Vocational College Joensuu services and North Karelia Adult College.


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In addition, the Joensuu Conservatory offers musical education.


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There are a total of 18 educational institutions operated by the City of Joensuu in primary school.


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Of these, there are 12 primary schools (including Nepenmäki School), 4 middle schools and 3 uniform schools.


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There are four upper secondary schools: Joensuu Lyceum Secondary School, Joensuu Normal School Secondary School, Joensuu Coeducational Secondary School and Upper Secondary School of Eastern Finland.


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The City of Joensuu also maintains a civic college in the Joensuu Region.


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Joensuu Sports Academy is a collaborative network of educational institutions that provides training and coaching for athletes.


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Transport links Joensuu is an important railway junction station.


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VR's long-distance services carry Joensuu south (Joensuu-Lappeenranta-Lahti-Helsinki), west (Joensuu-Pieksämäki) and north (Joensuu-Nurmes).


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The eastbound rail link to Ilomants has been no longer in passenger use for years, but timber is carried along it.


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Night trains to Joensuu were discontinued in September 2006.


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There are 16 local bus lines in Joensuu, 12 of which are operated by Savo-Karelian Line and 4 operated by Savonlinna.


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Joensuu Airport is located in the municipality of Liper, 11km northwest of Joensuu city centre.


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There is a direct flight from Joensuu to Helsinki, where Finnair flies three to five flights a day.


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Inland waterway transport is served by the deep port of Ukonniemi in Penttilä district and a passenger port in the city centre.


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Joensuu is the main hub for road transport in North Karelia.


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The town is bypassed by a 26-mile-long freeway which was completed in its entirety in late summer 2014.


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The city can be reached by the following highways and highways: from Lappeenranta and Kajaani ((Helsinki) -Koskenkylä - Kajaani) from Kuopio and Sortavala (Turku - Niirala) to Varkaus (Pori - Joensuu) to Lieksa (Kontiolahti to Uuro VT 6) (Uuro - Nurmes) From the direction of Ilomantsi (Joensuu - Ilomantsi) Culture Joensuu is a lively cultural city.


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Music is an important part of Riversuu cultural life.


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Famous Finnish rock bands such as Hassisen Kone and Four Ruusua originate from Joensuu.


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The leading figures of these ensembles Ismo Alanko (Hassisen Kone) and Ilkka Alanko (Four Ruusua) are the most famous personalities from Joensuu today.


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Joensuu has been created by the University and other educational institutions.


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The University of Eastern Finland has several training lines in humanities, arts related and traditional studies, and Karelia University of Applied Sciences has degree programmes in fine arts, crafts, design, graphics and many media.


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The town also operates a conservatory and the Pekkala School of Fine Arts.


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The seven-day newspaper Karjalainen and the weekly weekly weekly weekly weekly newspaper Karelia are published in Joensuu.


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In addition, a free distribution magazine Karelian Heili appears in the city twice a week.


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The Joensuu Sub-Regional Library also serves as the Regional Library of North Karelia.


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Events and venues among the many cultural events in Joensuu are Ilosaarirock, Ilovaarirock, Popkatu, Folk Music Festival Hippa, Joensuu Music Festival, Joensuu Literary Event, Documentary Film Festival Viscult, rock film festival Rokumentti, film event A hint of Russia, Alone in the Rain dance event, Joensuu Gospel Festival, Supasoul Fest, Parafest and Joe's Night.


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Between 1981 and 1997 the Joensuu Song Festival event took place in the city, which fell into the financial loss it brought.


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Joensuu is home to the Philharmonic Orchestra, City Theatre and the modern film centre Tapio, which was reopened in 2005.


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The main cultural events are Lulurinne, City Theatre, Joensuu Arena, Carelia Hall, Conservatory, Karjaltalo, Ilosaari stage, Market Square, Film Centre Tapio, Pakkahuone, Art Centre Ahjo, Taitokorteli and churches.


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Cultural personalities living in Joensuu include: Arto Halonen, film director Kari Hyttinen, photographic artist Simo Hämäläinen, writer Kyösti Kakkonen, art collector, businessman Jari Karttunen, dancer Matti Kettunen, writer Aino Kivi, theatre director Sanna Kurki-Suonio, musician Tuomas Lius, writer (Liperi) Timo Lavikainen, actor and musician Leena Leskinen, writer Risto Lång, dancer Matti Mäkelä, writer Tuomas Pyrhönen, organist Vihtori Rämä, theatre director Liisa Tavi, singer Tapani Tavi, poet Jaakko Teppo, songwriter Eeva Tikka, writer Heikki Turunen, writer Tuula-Liina Varis, writer Saara Tikka, painter Shrines Evangelical Lutheran and Orthodox main church are the main church running through central Joensuu at opposite ends, and at the same time on opposite sides of the center, that is, the checkerboard area.


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The churches of the East and West look as if at each other across the city.


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At the southern end of Kirkkokatu on a small hill lies the main Lutheran church, Joensuu Church, representing Neo-Gothic in style.


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There are also four other Lutheran churches in the built-up area: Pielisensuu Church in Niinivaara, Noljaka Church, Rantakylä Church and Utra Wooden Church.


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There is also a small hill at the northern end of the church street, the main church of the Joensuu Orthodox Parish, St. Nicholas Church.


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The Church of St. Nicholas is a traditional Northern Russian Orthodox church in which a lot of wood has been used, and which was completed in 1887.


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In addition, there is another Orthodox church in Joensuu; St. John the Theologian Church of the Orthodox Seminary, whose architecture is Byzantine.


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In addition to these, the city of Joensuu has new areas including a dozen prominent Lutheran and Orthodox shrines, as well as a mosque.


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Literature: God's tabernacle among the people: Churches and chapels of the Evangelical Lutheran congregations in Joensuu.


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Sports and sports The largest sports facilities in Joensuu are near the centre in Mehtimäki district.


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Multifunction Hall Joensuu Arena is the home hall for Joensuu's Kataja men's SM-national basketball team and Josba's SM-level-level floorball teams (7000 seating).


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The hall is quickly transformable for simultaneous training shifts of different species.


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In addition, the town has a racetrack, three ice rinks and a total of eight sports rinks including sports rinks in the rural area [20].


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King trotting was first held at the Bird's Bay racetrack in 1984 [21].


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Behind Joensuu Areena, the home stadium of Joensuu Maila, Kerubi Stadion, is located in Mehtimäki.


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The stadium has 2,500 covered seating and hosts other events such as concerts in addition to baseball matches.


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The stadium is named after the restaurant Kerub in Ilosaari.


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The Joensuu Ice Rink next to the arena is Jokiboys' home hall (5040 grandstand seats).


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In addition, there is a rallicross in the Joensuu region as well as a go-kart track at Liperi Upper Mylly, which is located near Joensuu Airport.


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Joensuu Central Field is the home ground of football team Jipo and the Elite Athletics Championships have been held there since 2008.


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The swimming pools in Joensuu are Vesikko located in Mehtimäki and Rantakylä Swimming Pool.