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Then I would see if it worked well and the next vote would measure performance.


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Periodity would encourage administrators to become active.


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That would increase the number of admins.


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These factors would develop Wikipedia better and faster.


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We'd see the benefit.


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On 23 January 2008 at 16:52 (UTC) So you would like a trial period?


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I don't understand why administrators need to be encouraged to be active?


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Why not normal users too?


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—Harriv 23 January 2008 at 17:48 (UTC) Periodic time does not increase activity, but reduces it.


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The admins would visually stay away from anywhere where someone might take a bad mind and masinate at the next vote the rights away.


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The number of administrators is unlikely to increase the number of administrators, because if someone were to oppose perpetual admin for a candidate, I don't think the vote will be changed by the fact that the candidate is only a couple of years doing his havoc on Wikipedia... —Mikkom (♫) 23 January 2008 at 20:32 (UTC) User Inzulac, I believe, is guilty of a personal attack in the justification for his vote.


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—Classic Man on January 23, 2008 at 20:49 (UTC) Perhaps, but in the name of humor, let it be allowed.


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—Mikkom (♫) 23 January 2008 at 22:13 (UTC) In accordance with official policy, personal attacks are not allowed in the name of humour to my knowledge.


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—Classic Man on January 23, 2008 at 22:33 (UTC) But is humor allowed in the name of personal attack?


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—Mikkom (♫) 23 January 2008 at 23:50 (UTC) Although MIKKOM's genial translation of questions pleases me, I regret to say: not, especially if it has been harnessed as part of a personal attack.


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Anyway, “in the name of personal attack” you don't allow things on Wikipedia.


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—Classic Man 24 January 2008 at 00:39 (UTC) “Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing” —TBone 24 January 2008 at 06:11 (UTC) I am indeed chuckled at the pettiness and pilko-busting of the current wikipedia.


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The current, age-old stubheads are clamping down on wikipedia's freedom while simultaneously creating an image of a dictatorship where only they have permission to decide things.


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I'm over wikipedia, too, and haven't edited it in a long time.


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Yesterday's editing was a clear mistake as the arrogant wikipedia fossils have taken me in their teeth again.


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Wikipedia today I see it as nothing more than propaganda by JOONASL and other henchmen against free speech and correct information.


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I have spoken!


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—Inzulac 24 January 2008 at 4:14pm (UTC) The “No Personal Attacks” rule is, in a nutshell, “get caught up in the matter, not the debater.”


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However, when more carefully read, then as a personal attack, no comments about user activity or behavior on Wikipedia are considered.


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While Inzulac's comment is not HH in this sense, it is of course inferior and childish.


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This, on the other hand, is above all an embarrassment to Inzulac himself.


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Samulili on 24 January 2008 at 06:43 (UTC) Inzulac's comment does not address the issue, but specifically to the user.


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Comment “No to Jonaks (L)!!!”


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Yes, even with good will, it cannot be taken as a comment on a user's actions or behaviour on Wikipedia, but rather specifically matches the official policy under # Incitement to action against a particular user.


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* “Block User A!”


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I don't think this is serious either, but I don't think we should claim the chicken as an egg.


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—Classic Man 24 January 2008 at 11:09 AM (UTC) If Inzulac is making it easier for me/me to fret about me, let him have it.


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—Joonasl (tell me) 24 January 2008 at 11:16am (UTC) Actually, you are right, because Inzulac does not make any criticism or comment in that outburst.


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I read more about Inzulac's text than what he actually wrote, because I know he has monastically criticized and commented.


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But this time, really, no.


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Samulili 24 January 2008 at 11:20am (UTC) I myself have been critical of wikipedia stubheads like Joonasl, who do not understand facts but act blindly and, by their unyielding activities, cause profound damage to the development of wikipedia.


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Because of admins like this, wikipedia is shunning active editors who would have a hand to add information content.


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It's ridiculous!


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—Inzulac 24 January 2008 at 15:46 (UTC) If that really were the case, you would think that there were more than 80 articles and users (mostly copied from Wikipedia), most of whom I think are sock puppets from different language warriors.


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For my part, this pointless debate ends here.


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—Joonasl (tell) 24 January 2008 at 16:13 (UTC) Share, so you are claiming that the Haparanta wikipedia would be my idea?


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—Inzulac 24 January 2008 at 16:16 (UTC) How else can Inzulac's comment be interpreted as a criticism of Joonasl's administrator activity?


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In that sense, it's not HH, but against the spirit of practice it violates (“Get caught up in the matter, not the user”).


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As more many-worded and less interpretative, it might not break that, either.


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-TKahkonen 24 January 2008 at 18:14 (UTC) Has the rights of any administrator been questioned other than nm.


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Joonasl?


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To remember, there was a heated debate and a vote about his fate, which the Good Brother district -won.


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—Inzulac on January 24, 2008 at 18:22 (UTC) Questioned and 83% of voters voted in favor of preserving rights.


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Pretty wide “Good Brother” circuit.


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—Joonasl (tell) 25 January 2008 at 06:39 (UTC) Election secrecy What if the vote took place protected by electoral secrecy?


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This way no one, in the hope of popularity or fear of unpopularity, would vote against their correct opinion.


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The squeak would also decrease.


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On 23 January 2008 at 16:44 (UTC) The introduction of some kind of electoral secrecy does not affect the problems I mentioned above in any way and that is not even voted on.


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—Classic Man on January 23, 2008 at 17:01 (UTC) In what vote?


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In this or an admin vote?


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-TKahkonen 23 January 2008 at 18:32 (UTC) The election secret is, in my opinion, the silliest idea ever.


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To freak out who the whole term has launched and raised to such a great value, allows only corruption.


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—Sage on 24 January 2008 at 01:30 (UTC) Voters “My eyes are gripped by the number of administrators who oppose the proposal.”


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If I now correctly counted, then 3 have voted in favor.


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Similarly, on the other side there are 11 of them, and 1 has recused himself.


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With the exception of three who have been on a long break, there are still 29 administrators to vote.


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Let me see how they still divide.


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-TKahkonen 23 January 2008 at 18:32 (UTC) Perhaps the administrators' voting use is not because they are administrators, but something else?


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—TBone on 24 January 2008 at 06:17 (UTC) We are the Borg.


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Lower your shields and surrender your ships.


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We will add your biological and technological distinctiveness to our own.


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Your culture will adapt to service us.


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Resistance is futile.


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Samulili on January 24, 2008 at 06:39 (UTC) Did that comment get lost in the wrong discussion, or even the wrong site?


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If not, then could you explain what you mean?


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—B.Nuhanen on 24 January 2008 at 06:51 (UTC) Star trek humor.


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I understand if you pass, I even experience a little relief;) Jokes should not be explained, but let's explain now then: The Borg are a community in Star Trek whose minds are fused together.


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The Borg have no experience of individuality and are machine-driven by an unknown force.


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The Borg are unstoppably powerful and technologically superior.


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Opposing them is pointless.


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(Unless, of course, if you're the main star of the series and you save the human race.)


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Kahkonen drew attention to how administrators have voted.


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Tbone, on the other hand, questioned the direct causal relationship, which I responded to with the ironic comment above, which was meant to reinforce the view that admins are not some Borg but each admin considers things independently.


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Samulili on 24 January 2008 at 07:41 (UTC).. but in the end, however, Cabal decides.


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—Joonasl (tell) on January 24, 2008 at 08:19 (UTC) There is no cabal.


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— Japsu on 24 January 2008 at 14:12 (UTC) (I found a link in the coffee room where the topic was discussed)


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—kallerna™ 24 January 2008 at 2:22pm (UTC) The title should naturally be “Secret mailing list - Wikipedia rocks”.


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—Joonasl (tell me) 24 January 2008 at 15:27 (UTC) Even if there is no such reason, still: admin is a factor that unites these users, and we notice such a connection in their voices.


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I never claimed that there is some cabal or that the admins were a brainless community brain controlled bunch.


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Laughs at the suspicion too.


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We could make a similar comparison, for example, for users who have signed up as deleters and custodians, and think about all sorts of things based on the results.


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I suppose the results would not be this sharply on the other side, but of course I could be wrong.


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Of course there is another way to explain such a result, but I think the conclusion is nonetheless: the majority of administrators do not want re-votes on their rights.


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(And not, by the way, for example: (ky) the Borg group, whom we call administrators, have jointly decided to vote against a proposal to remove the perpetual right from them).


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-TKahkonen 24 January 2008 at 18:07 (UTC) That larger number was the opponents and it did not three.


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But I wonder if it should be dragged out of the vote - to bring the vote to a very unequivocal outcome that the admins are p-sac all my placid?!


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MOT.


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What a bunch of insights and seen dependencies have been developed here... Although I myself time to time, take on such a stretch :( —Aulis Eskola 25 January 2008 at 04:01 (UTC) (I added a specification) But there is nothing more strange than, say, the so-called wage gap between women and men.


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When you add up everyone's salaries without regard to age allowances, different positions at work, all kinds of differences, you can see that women in all sectors combined have a lower salary.


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But perhaps the difference is not because they are women but something else?


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Of course it could be because of something else, for example, the fact that there are more women in low-wage industries.


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Likewise here too.


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A majority of administrators vote against fixed-term.


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It's either because of the admins, is partly because of it, or it's not at all (as I already said above).


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Almost take in the head all the strangely stretching of these calculations.


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-TKAHKONEN January 25, 2008 at 10:09 AM (UTC) The administrators' thoughts on this question are certainly due to a lot of understanding of WP and perceptions of what it should be.


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There are different perceptions and thus the voting positions, especially the arguments, are different.


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I don't see a lot of the yes guys that “it would just be nice to toss guys out”, even though I'm on the counter beach with my opinion.


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That kind of maintenance activity would end short.


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In between you take almost all of WP - then you have to take a vacation for a while:) And visit some other wiki project:D —Aulis Eskola 25 January 2008 at 17:31 (UTC) Do you think that the administrators have an exclusive understanding of WP?


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Yes there is an understanding here among the people, it just doesn't show up there.


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—Ulrika 25 January 2008 at 18:02 (UTC) Certainly the administrators do not have the _exclusive right_ of knowledge and understanding of WP's activities and the mechanisms involved, but the correlation is certainly quite strong.


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I haven't done a rigorous statistical analysis, but many admins around average have a long-term and fixed relationship with WP, which naturally correlates with sentiment too.


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There are many who have been in a fixed relationship and thus a great deal of understanding of WP, but this as a general emphasis.


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—Aulis Eskola 28 January 2008 at 16:31 (UTC) Conscious or not, but the administrators maintain the illusion that they are about to be kicked off.


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The vast majority of administrators renew their credentials even in free elections.


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Instead of kicking off, the motivator for fixing is ethical: a practice similar to common law is the natural choice of every open community.


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I therefore urge administrators to consider their position and put their posts in sterling voluntarily at regular intervals, regardless of the outcome of the vote. —Khaosaming 27 January 2008 at 10:02 (UTC) As I recall, Aulis Eskola once just put his own trust in the cup and received criticism for it, i.e. pointless voting.


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—Feathers 30 January 2008 at 15:30 (UTC) How else Is there any statistics on how the issue has been resolved in other languages wikis?


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At least the following things would be of interest: Which wikis are the admins fixed-term?


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How long are the periods?


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What are the experiences of fixed-term?


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After how long will inactive admins be removed from the admins list?


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—Cuprum 27 January 2008 at 09:08 (UTC) Meta One Year.


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After that, you can start voting if you want.


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The admin needs to get 75% support on the ballot, just like the first vote.


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Can also lose due to inactivity (no edits for half a year and less than 50 edits during the year).


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Swedish SV Wiki,, One Year.


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At the end of it there will be a vote, the same 75% support as in the first vote.


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The removal of inactives was previously required, but the introduction of periodicity eliminated the need.


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Introduced in early 2006.


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Italian-speaking I see a year, followed by a rerun vote.


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Gain 2/3 support for admin on the ballot, in the first vote the support must be 4/5.


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Romania Year, 2/3.


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Dutch Year, similar periodicity to meta.


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Also if by inactive (less than 50 moderation), removed.


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These, anyway.


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It should be noted that all of these revotes must have majority support, unlike the FI wiki.


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I don't go to say anything about the wiki, Polish, Portuguese and Spanish wiki doesn't seem to have periodicity.


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-TKahkonen 1 February 2008 at 09:44 (UTC) What do you mean by this: “a revote must have majority support, unlike in the FI wiki”?


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I don't understand, after all, there is no periodicity on the FI wiki and therefore no re-votes.


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A vote to remove maintenance rights is one thing and the two should not be messed up.


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For example, in EN-wiki, the removal of rights cannot be voted on at all but by decision of the arbitration commission or if Jimbo ex cathedra so decides.


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—Joonasl (tell) 1 February 2008 at 10:28am (UTC) The possibility of removal of maintenance rights has been repeatedly claimed to be driving the same issue as revotes.


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Therefore, equating them with each other in this context is quite consistent.


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—B.Nuhanen 1 February 2008 at 10:41am (UTC) Like Nuhanen, and: The FI wiki has a rights removal vote, which is now quite equivalent to the periodic wiki renewal vote.


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In both, support is measured again and the result allows rights to remain or then the rights are removed.


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Only 40% are needed here, 66% to 75%.


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-TKahkonen 1 February 2008 at 10:53am (UTC) It is noted that the de-wiki requires a majority of rights to be removed.


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In the French-language Wikipedia, rights can be removed by an arbitration commission or a normal vote requiring a consensus (or a clear qualified majority).


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I.e.


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if we want to start comparing, the system currently used here is right in line with the largest Wikipedias.


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—Joonasl (tell) 1 February 2008 at 11:04 AM (UTC) Where is that de-wiki rights removal policy?


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I did not find than that the arbitration board can delete.


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What about the FR wiki?


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-TKahkonen 1 February 2008 at 11:14am (UTC) Here and here. —Joonasl (tell me) 1 February 2008 at 11:19am (UTC) In that German I see the upper section and in French again a more detailed explanation is probably somewhere on the subpage.


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At least here it is about passivity that six months of inactivity leads to deletion.


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Which one is voting for the removal of rights?


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Maybe this:?


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The Limite du mandat</i>then apparently says that Arbcom can remove the rights.


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-TKahkonen 1 February 2008 at 11:42am (UTC) English Perpetual Administrator, rights removed on request —albval 1 February 2008 at 09:40 (UTC) All major (at least de, fr and en) and apparently clear majority 253 Wikipedia in different language version does not have rules for periodic maintenance.


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However, the admin practices of other Wikipedias are in no way significant to this issue; all Wikipedias are free to decide matters of this nature independently.


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—Joonasl (tell) 1 February 2008 at 09:44 (UTC) The policies of other Wikipedias have the meaning that we can compare them, and fix (or keep the same) our own system by snapping the best bits off (or not snapping).


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Summary of the largest (): In English, only arbcom can remove rights.


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On their own request is also accepted.


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Swedish- (sv), Dutch (nl) and Italian (it) have a fixed term of one year, with 66-75% support required for the continuation of rights.


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The German Wiki has enough majority support to maintain maintainability, French Wiki is enough 25% support Other major?


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-TKAHKONEN 1 February 2008 at 11:42 AM (UTC) of the 10 main Wikipedias, three have periodic maintenance, six are permanent and the situation of one is unknown (Polish).


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—Joonasl (tell) 1 February 2008 at 12:35pm (UTC) There are still other cases (babelfish translation used to help).


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Russian-speaking: permanent maintainability, removal of rights through the arbitration commission.


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Japanese: permanent administrator, removal of rights on the ballot (more than 50% consider in favour) Portuguese: permanent maintenance, removal of rights in voting (same conditions as when choosing) Spanish: permanent administrators (which are called librarians).


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No rules for the removal of rights, apparently.


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No language versions have been selected for the list on principles other than babelfish's translation possibilities. —Joonasl (tell me) 1 February 2008 at 11:59am (UTC) Thank you to Kahkonen and Joonas for their research work.


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—Cuprum on 4 February 2008 at 08:48 (UTC) “Opposition” Proposal for fixed-term loses this vote.


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Should fixed-term advocates in some way, however, organize?


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I would see that there is an underlying rather profound difference in perceptions of what Wikipedia should be like.


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At least based on the comments.


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On January 28, 2008 at 13:49 (UTC) Get organized how?


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In Wikipedia, practices are developed on a consensus basis (and if not possible through votes requiring a clear qualified majority).


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The idea of unwillingly setting up cup societies and conglomerates to drive some change in policies sounds extremely bizarre and contrary to Wikipedia's policies.


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“Wikipedia is neither a democratic experiment nor a battleground” (What Wikipedia is not).


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If even if you focus on making an encyclopedia; if you're interested in politicking it offers better opportunities in other arenas.


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—Joonasl (tell) 28 January 2008 at 13:56 (UTC) As above.


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-TKAHKONEN 28 January 2008 at 14:00 (UTC) In my opinion, it is precisely the periodicity of maintenance that would reduce the risk of cup status.


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At 2:07pm (UTC) on 28 January 2008, Wikipedia already has cup municipalities, even if they are not consciously organised.


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In addition, there are consciously organized groups, such as those who oppose ads on Wikipedia.


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Also, editing perspectives occasionally create “blocks”.


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I think it would be better to organize openly than dismally and unnoticed.


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On 28 January 2008 at 14:16 (UTC) Any kind of influence always requires organisation - let's call it influencing or politicking: :::n.


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I call it exchange of opinions and opinion influencing.


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Periodicity of admin is such a fundamental issue that driving it does not end with this vote.


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I repeat my call to all current and especially future administrators: regardless of the outcome of the vote, voluntarily renew your credentials from the community at regular intervals.


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Given the formative aspects of the vote, the opposing position of the status quo did not stand a chance this time.


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That still doesn't stop us thinking this way from further influencing Wikipedia's guidelines and developments.


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It is in the nature of Wikipedia to continually correct itself through community contributions, and community participation and influence must not decrease as the encyclopedia's support base and popularity grows.


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—Khaosaming 28 January 2008 at 2:19pm (UTC) What “shapes”?


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Voting is organized just according to normal Wikipedia voting practices.


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And as far as community influence is concerned, that's what I understand is happening right at the top of this page.


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Nothing has happened in English (nor in other Wikipedias) that would reduce community involvement or influence.


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Wikipedia is only and only the result of community involvement and influence.


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Moreover, if the “length of tenure” of administrators starts to be considered a “fundamental issue” in the encyclopedia, we have already gone as badly as possible.


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The “fundamental” issue of Wikipedia is communally made free and freely accessible information to all.


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All structures and bureaucracy around this are, in principle, secondary issues and the only guiding principle should be expediency.


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This is exactly the reason why Wikipedia policies state that Wikipedia is not some “democratic experiment”.


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Nobody should imagine that things like this are fundamental, central, or even (relative) important in any sense.


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If you want to play virtual democracy games, you can set up a party in Second Life. —Joonasl (tell) 28 January 2008 at 15:33 (UTC) I would ask for one thing: if we were friendly to each other in principle and take each other's opposing views as equal, without the need to impose the opposite view of the status quo in the position of the stepchild by taking a condescending attitude already at the speaking level.


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If I disagree with you, that doesn't mean I'm “playing” or “hobbling” any more or less than the admin is on this issue.


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—Khaosaming 28 January 2008 at 15:53 (UTC) I did not think I was unfriendly, or at least that was not my intention.


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I just meant to highlight and remind you what Wikipedia is really about and what really matters.


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And the fact that there are different opinions on this particular issue in any way implies that the opinion of either side is less worthy.


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Very good and logical arguments can be made in favour of indefinite or fixed-term maintenance.


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Now the issue will be put to a vote and some sort of consensus (not status quo) will be reached based on the vote.


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My criticism was only aimed at trying to elevate this practical issue into some central issue of principle in the context of Wikipedia.


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It's not and it never will be.


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Wikipedia has a set of fundamental questions; how, where, when, by whom and for how long maintenance rights are granted is not such.


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Furthermore, I find the fact that in this discussion you bring up the “admin card” is unfortunate to say the least.


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Maintenance is not related to this issue in any way.


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—Joonasl (tell) 28 January 2008 at 17:29 (UTC) Is it still worth predicting the outcome of the vote at this stage?


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Consensus will only be reached if either view achieves more than 70% support.


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If it does not, we will still be at the starting point and I think the twisting will continue.


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—B.Nuhanen on 28 January 2008 at 18:41 (UTC) Tuohirulla started forecasting further up there.


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If that happens at the moment, it is not at the “starting point”, but it can be noted that the amendment did not get the necessary support behind the amendment and the practice will not be changed until, for some reason, the atmosphere changes substantially.


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In other words, support for fixed-term has been measured. —Joonasl (tell) 28 January 2008 at 18:46 (UTC) 1.So I'm sorry?


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'Ku toi alotti, ni kyl hill sit'?


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With children, the witch has to hear often, but that here too?


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2.If it is established that 70% constitutes a 'consensus', we are technically at the starting point at the end of the vote, provided that neither position reaches the consensus threshold.


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It will probably be pointless to twist hands at this level for a while, but I doubt the debate will completely stop.


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Interesting otherwise would be to follow speeches demanding perpetual maintenance if the fixing position prevailed now.


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I wonder how many people would like to turn admin into an eternity post like the current one if the practice so far had been predetermined periods of a few years.


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Question layout can pretty much influence the outcome in such things.


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:) —B.Nuhanen 28 January 2008 at 21:09 (UTC) 1.


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If you read the discussion above, you will certainly find out what has been discussed and why.


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Practices in force represent the prevailing consensus and new strong support is needed to change them.


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If one does not form, the policies will not be changed.


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This is a general principle and applies here too.


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Of course, one can and probably should try to seek some sort of compromise solution behind which consensus can be put.


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Of course, questions can be twisted in what direction, but that does not change the above premise.


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And if you think predicting the outcome is worthwhile, is it worth speculating on hypothetical evenings?


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—Joonasl (tell) on January 28, 2008 at 21:15 (UTC) Heh!


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Back the ball again.


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:) Yes, I find speculation in hypothetical situations often necessary and very fruitful.


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A lot of my work is about thinking about 'hypothetical situations', so I have some experience.


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Now that is relevant to the question of which practice would be more popular if the baseline was zero and no one was used to anything yet.


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It is an important question, even if this vote will no longer be affected.


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—B.Nuhanen 28 January 2008 at 21:42 (UTC) If an aunt had eggs.. flour, milk and other needs, it would make pancakes.


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I don't see how the completely hypothetical idea you put forward, the empirical verification of which is completely impossible would be relevant in any form.


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However, the policies clearly state: “Acceptance of the User's proposed policy proposal by consensus decision.


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This method is especially used when changing past practices and in cases where disagreements occur.


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On Wikipedia, a clear qualified majority is needed for a consensus decision... In polls, the consensus limit has typically been between 70% and 80%.


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If there is no consensus, the policy proposal is rejected.”.


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—Joonasl (tell) 28 January 2008 at 21:48 (UTC) So, isn't it the difference between hypothesis and theory that the former has no empirical observations to back it up and the latter does?


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If you don't understand what hypotheses are needed for, or why one considers things that are not reality at that moment, or even possible with its instantaneous values of variables, then you really shouldn't be contributing to this part of the discussion at all.


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So this is not a criticism of you, because not everyone needs to know everything.


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Different people have different abilities and their role in the community is determined by it.


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However, it now becomes clear that you do not want this issue to be considered on a principled level, detached from current practice.


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I can only speculate as to why this issue worries you so much.


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Glad, by the way, you brought up that definition of consensus on Wikipedia, because that's what I was just referring to right there above.


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Apparently, at least the two of us completely agree on that, even if you do so hard to wring your hand about it.


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You're strangely lumping it together with your visioning critique, but let's not let it fool you.


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—B.Nuhanen 29 January 2008 at 00:38 (UTC) So, the hypothesis is an assumption from which a theory is empirically formed on the basis of observations.


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The kind of hypothesis that verification “experimentally” is impossible is useless.


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The only correct answer to the question “which practice would be more popular if the baseline was zero, and no one was used to anything yet?”


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is “impossible to say”.


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—Joonasl (tell) 29 January 2008 at 06:39 (UTC) Supporters of the status quo tend to claim to know the 'only right' answers.


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It also seems that you carry great concern on your shoulders that others are wasting their time discussing the issue.


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Don't worry, though.


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Most of the users are full-fledged people who are in charge of their own time use themselves.


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If your desire to stoop the conversation stems from something other than empathy for the debaters, I'm starting to worry about your purpose myself.


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—B.Nuhanen on 29 January 2008 at 12:27am (UTC) If the maintenance had been fixed from the outset, it could never be changed forever.


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As if tobacco or coffee were invented in this day and age, it would never be legal.


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Or if the MC Fuckjob had been removed the first time, it would never have been restored, etc, etc. The world, unfortunately, is not a vacuum.


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—Mikkom (♫) 29 January 2008 at 01:10 (UTC) Perpetual maintenance is as harmful as tobacco?


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:) I understand, of course, that's not what you mean.


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Those are all things that are worth discussing and some of it being discussed.


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Sometimes it is easier to get ahead in reflections by detaching a difficult set of things from its context for a moment so that it is easier to look at without being coloured by other things.


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After that, of course, it must be repositioned as part of the wider whole, so as not to draw conclusions on the basis of too limited data.


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Sometimes you can end up with something that changes are needed, but something other than what was originally set out to explore.


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I wouldn't see it as impossible in this case either.


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—B.Nuhanen 29 January 2008 at 12:47am (UTC) The issue is that the Wikipedia community would never allow administrators an eternity if the issue was decided today, because it seems daunting.


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In real-life Wikipedia, over the past several years, the community has seen that perpetual admin works: no administrator has been removed because of misconduct (although the possibility is), and in the only company Joonas gained over 80% trust.


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So there is no real problem: any argument on the side of fixed-term relates to entirely indirect aspects such as public image and “freshening the air.”


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Furthermore, a proportion of users have a wish that this could crank a couple of nasty admins out of Wikipedia.


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There have nuit attempts been other: Category:Archived maintenance rights removal votes.


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-TKahkonen 29 January 2008 at 17:10 (UTC) It is despicable to try to dismantle a system that has worked well for so many years on the basis of PR and air freshener.


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—Mikkom (♫) 29 January 2008 at 15:53 (UTC) Both PR and air freshening are quite good arguments, but I don't think everyone thinks they are the most important.


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Again, what comes up in your comment is that those who support the status quo find it offensive that other options are even discussed.


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—B.Nuhanen 29 January 2008 at 17:09 (UTC) There is no good argument because, as I said earlier, there is no such thing as a public image of administrators.


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And as for air freshening, then after hitting the bullseye in my previous prediction (the mediation board turned out to be completely unnecessary) I dare predict that even if all administrators were recycled through the voting mangle, the air is via Wikipedia still very inflamed.


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Remember, the delete vote by the admin was supposed by the adult really, to all reason, to reduce the nicking, but there was no effect because whining is standard on Wikipedia, even if no admins exist.


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—Mikkom (♫) 1 February 2008 at 01:09 (UTC) The periodic update of administrators has been repeatedly proposed precisely because it is appropriate for this project.


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Not all current users may know that the removal of dead souls residing on admin lists was once as vehemently opposed as fixing now.


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After a terrible twist, a consensus was finally reached that an admin that has been unmodified for two years can be removed from the maintainers.


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Some people thought that removing rights from inactive administrators was pointless, but I think today the community feels that it is not useless and that you could remove the administrators from the list after six months of inactivity.


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Lest this just happen the same thing too?


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If administrators were to be chosen for a fixed period, it might happen that cooperation would go better and one wonders why this was not done from the outset.


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—Cuprum 28 January 2008 at 4:49pm (UTC) This may be the case.


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It is worth considering it from different sides and as I said above both points of view are justifiable.


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However, before any change in practice, a consensus or at least a clear majority should be established behind the amendment. —Joonasl (tell) 28 January 2008 at 5:29pm (UTC) I, for one, opposed the removal of inactive admins because I feared that it was slippery slope to a more large-scale thinning of administrators.


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I think you just proved my fear right.


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—Mikkom (♫) 1 February 2008 at 01:11 AM (UTC) Compromise discussion Thoughts on what kind of consensus could be built on this subject assuming that the proposal on the ballot does not receive 70% support here.


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—Joonasl (tell) 29 January 2008 at 09:21 (UTC) We should now at least first agree on what it means for someone to be the administrator.


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For example, toilet cleaner vs.


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trust act views are quite far apart.


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—Harriv on January 30, 2008 at 11:34am (UTC) Wikipedia:Administrators clarify the status of me pretty clearly: “The administrator of Wikipedia is a user who has the authority to delete and lock articles, restore deleted pages, and prevent troublemaking users from editing articles... Administrator privileges are a technical tool and provide the right to use the functions reserved for administrators in accordance with the policies.


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Administrator rights do not themselves reflect status or authority attained in the Wikipedia community”.


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Of the two options you gave, then, I suppose, we're probably closer to being a toilet cleaner than an act of trust. —Joonasl (tell me) 30 January 2008 at 12:13 (UTC) That's exactly what you say somewhere if people have a different opinion.


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—Harriv on January 30, 2008 at 12:18am (UTC) Do we then need to change the administrator policy:)?


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—Joonasl (tell) 30 January 2008 at 12:26am (UTC) I came as a new user to read that too, and there should be nothing unclear about that.


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Nor have I seen how vague references to the “admin elite” etc. Thinking of the job as a “status act” would bring any change to that practice in itself.


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Personally, I consider administrators involved in talcos who have been granted little more accountability tools by the community regarding, for example, deletion of articles - most of these days based on their previous experience.


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That is, if the policy is to be changed, then there should be someone konkr.


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suggestion, how - otherwise those status-tms.opinions have no practical relevance.Tetopa on 30 January 2008 at 12:29pm (UTC) I think that all opinions matter.


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In practice, it can be seen in the debate and voting situation on this topic.


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—Harriv on January 30, 2008 at 12:54 (UTC) Of course it is.


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My comment was about the question of whether the admin policy should be changed e.g. regarding the “status” to which I stated that, as far as I can see, no, unless there is a concrete presentation, how.


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The debate until now concerns the periodicity of administrator policy.Tetopa on 30 January 2008 at 13:00 (UTC) Ok, first of all it would be good for as many people as possible to agree with the practice.


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Either from the current one or something edited.


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—Harriv, 30 January 2008 at 13:29 (UTC) Some understate and some exaggerate the importance of administrators, which is probably human.


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However, I think it is abundantly clear that no toilet cleaners administrators are.


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The right to delete articles and the right to block users are significant rights, the use of which requires experience and discretion.


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I don't know about status, but the fervor of the debate clearly demonstrates at least the fact that everyone thinks admins and their position are important to Wikipedia.


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—Cuprum on January 30, 2008 at 14:20 (UTC) Cleaner is otherwise a bad analogy.


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Any analogy taken too far sucks, but among the best analogies is comparing to the police (I have a mental image of it on my user page, by the way).


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Police-admins clear the streets of Wikipedia of filth and prevent harm.


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Once a police-administrator is elected to serve in office, he keeps his post until he commits an error of office.


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Police-administrators are not elected to their office for a fixed term and the continuation of office is not voted on by popular vote.


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However, serious and repeated misconduct in office are punishable by impeachment.


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Some people think cops are fascists, others think admins are too.


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Samulili on 30 January 2008 at 15:19 (UTC) The police analogy is also backed by the fact that administrators (like police officers) themselves do not define the rules they enforce.


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—Joonasl (tell) on January 31, 2008 at 07:22 (UTC) I do not feel that any analogies are needed to define administrators.


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They are numerous, consisting of different individuals and even have their own views on Wikipedia and acting in it.


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To Sam, I said that the role of an MP is not a post, nor is it the role of a maintenance agent.


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You also state “Police-administrators are not elected to their office for a fixed term and the continuation of office is not voted on by popular vote”.


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But nevertheless in the next sentence you conclude “Serious and repeated misconduct in office are nevertheless punished by impeachment”.


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Where is it and who or what is it that performs that officiating?


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In the case of not a post that is usually not elected to by ballot either?


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The appointee to the post is distinguished only by the person who made the appointment to the post.


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Furthermore, when administrators are elected to their position by popular vote, so can also be dismissed by popular vote.


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It is, you see, a common way.


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Of course there may be some post or task commission that could carry out the separation, but I don't think that is in accordance with the traditions and customs of Finnish society.


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Since it is a very kimurant issue, some sort of solution must be obtained, because apparently the procedure currently in use is a tricky one.


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So if this is not a post but a position of trust, then perhaps it is fixed-term that could be the question?


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All elected by the people or by the people, as a rule, are selected for deadlines for their duties.


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Yes, and when I previously opposed the participation of administrators in voting on themselves, I do not support any new rule in this matter, because in accordance with the general Finnish standard of conduct, a person must recuse himself when his or her case is dealt with.


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I also think that the Finnish wikipedia can and even should follow the principles of the Nordic democratic society, it would probably add its own added value to this action.


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—Alexius Manfelt on 31 January 2008 at 08:13 (UTC) The post is carried out naturally by whoever is “hired” for the job.


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The fact that the elector is a collective does not mean that it is a representative democracy.


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Samulili 31 January 2008 at 13:13 (UTC) The issue of ice has been discussed in a rather detailed way here and in Finnish and there is nothing in Nordic democratic governance or practice that would allow individual administrators to be considered: would be impediments to addressing this issue.


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Obstructionism is always a personal attribute rather than a collective one.


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Different trust bodies, for example, are not left to decide on their own remuneration, as we well know about parliamentary pay increases, although the “personal benefit” required by obstructionism is considerably clearer in that case than in the present case.


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Naturally, if any person feels that they are obstructed, that's what they are.


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—Joonasl (tell me) 31 January 2008 at 08:19 (UTC) Regarding the recusal to the extent that I think the administrators of the Finnish Wikipedia represent a very large number of active editors and thus the recusal of all of them from this vote would give an outcome which, in my opinion, does not clearly would represent the active modifiers view on the issue.


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—Nikita 31 January 2008 at 08:26 (UTC) The police is perhaps a better analogy for the actions of the administrator than the cleaner, but by far the best benchmark for administrators is the local councillor because the community elects administrators from among them.


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On the issue of recess, I think that yes admins are allowed to participate in this vote, because I think there is no freeze problem here and all users are eligible to vote.


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The outcome of the vote is unequivocal, if fixed-term is not sufficiently supported, then, of course, there will be no change in current practice.


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However, it would require some action to be taken regularly, and that is apparently what Jonas' compromise proposal aimed at.


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However, I do not support Jonas's proposal because it leads to confusing practices.


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Instead, based on polling comments and discussion, you can conclude that there should be a case for tightening the activity limit for administrators from the current two-year inactivity to six months.


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—Cuprum 31 January 2008 at 08:40 (UTC) There seems to be such a large consensus on this reduction in inactivity time (cts.


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Discussion_Wikipedia:Vote/Maintainment_Periodity #Kompromissiesitys) that it could be introduced soon without either vote unless dissenting opinions arise in the next few days.


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—Joonasl (tell) 31 January 2008 at 08:49 (UTC) In order to compare administrators with councillors, administrators should also have the power to make rules while the people wait for the end of the four-year term and new elections.


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This is not the case and therefore the analogy limps extremely badly.


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Samulili 31 January 2008 at 13:13 (UTC) I think it's a question of interpretation which of the analogies is the worst limp.


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These comparisons with different professions, positions of trust and office are so that everyone always finds the one that best supports their own arguments.


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I therefore asked further up there whether there is any experience information about the periodic administrators of other Wikipedias.


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On the SV wiki and Meta, apparently there are, at least.


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My guess is there will be a vote on fixed-term again in six months.


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The debate might then be more level-headed if there were facts about the different types of solutions to the issue, and there was no need to grumble about whether the administrators were more akin to Stasi agents or koala bears.


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—Cuprum 1 February 2008 at 08:35 (UTC) I don't know American (sic) society very well, but the kind of image I have that local police officers or sheriffs etc. are elected.


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Then you could compare the wikipedia cleaner crew to the police.


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I mean, they get up in a hat sometimes.


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—Ulrika on 31 January 2008 at 1:24pm (UTC) And to Alexius' comment.


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Administrator perhaps equates better to a position of trust than office.


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It is not worth seeking precedents, for example, in Parliament, which can dismiss its members as I recall with Kauko Juhantalo, even though he was elected by the people.


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But Wikimedia is a foundation, and with foundations, democracy exists only insofar as one is applied separately.


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Generally speaking, wikipedia is not a democracy.


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By the way, I have shunned the administrator's periodicity because there would be no continuous voting roulette for all things in the world that you don't get properly acquainted with.


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But now, exceptionally, I am abstaining.


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—Feathers 31 January 2008 at 10:12am (UTC) My friend, I agree with you that you cannot compare with Parliament, although the dismissal of Jhantalo was an impeachment decision and at the next election he got re-elected.


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It's a very kimurant thing and I too would be intimidated by the annual renewal vote of 25 administrators if the season was a couple of years, for example.


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I also abstained because I do not know how this can be resolved, there is probably no easy solution.


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I should inquire on different Wikipedias about how different behaviors have worked.


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Would it be appropriate to set up a working group to consider this, even though working groups are often a curse concept!


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And although the foundation, which is in the Americas, is a foundation and is not democratic, then some kind of Finnish tradition could be included in the job.


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by friendship —Alexius Manfelt 31 January 2008 at 10:49am (UTC)


Question: When was Ambrose Burnside born?

The Jokers

Helsingin Jokerit [1] is a Helsinki-based ice hockey club founded in 1967 with a representative team playing in the KHL.


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The Jokers

Prior to the KHL, Jokerit played mainly in the Finnish premier league.


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Jokerit consists of two separate organizations.


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The representative team's backing company is Jokerit Hockey Club Oy and the junior teams are the Helsingin Jokerit ry.


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Junior teams still play in the Finnish series.


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Helsinki-based builder Aimo Mäkinen founded Jokerit in 1967 by purchasing the hockey operations of a sports club called Töölön Vesa.


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Thanks to Mäkinen's player acquisitions, Jokerit quickly rose to the top and won the Finnish championship in 1973.


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However, the club mired in financial difficulties and was eventually relegated in 1987 from the premier sarja SM-liiga to I-division, where it played for two seasons before climbing back.


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The Jokers

Harry “Hjallis” Harkimo bought himself the Jokerie share majority in February 1991, and the club won the Finnish championship in 1992, 1994, 1996 and 1997.


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The Jokers

In contrast, in the 2000s, Jokerie's success was modest in terms of resources, although the team did win one more Finnish championship in 2002.


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Jokerit moved mainly to the KHL series played in Russia in 2014, after Harkimo had sold 49% of Jokerie's shares in the previous year as well as the entirety of the team's home hall Hartwall Arena to Finnish-Russian Arena Events Ltd.


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The Jokers

During its history, Jokerit has won a total of six Finnish championships, six silver and two bronze medals.


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In addition, it has achieved, among other things, two European Cup titles as well as winning the Continental Cup.


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In the KHL, Jokerit has reached the division championship in 2016.


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The club's subsequent joint-stock company has also had a football club FC Jokerit, which was active from 1999 to 2004.


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History Early years Jokerit was born in 1967 when Helsinki-based builder Aimo Mäkinen bought the hockey operations of Töölö Vesa and at the same time took over some of the club's debts.


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[2] [3] Officially, Jokerit began operations on October 27, 1967, when a founding meeting was held.


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[4] Its first match was a training match on 7 November against Upon Pallo, who played at the top league level.


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[5] For his first two seasons Jokerit played in Finland's second highest league level in the Finnish series.


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[2] For the 1969—1970 season, the club rose to the main league level to SM-sarja.


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[6] Although in the late 1960s Jokerit had developed a junior series called Kanada-sarja in Helsinki, there was no expectation of their own breeding, instead Aimo Mäkinen acquired star players of national team level mainly from outside the metropolitan area.


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In the first years of the club, the team was represented by artists such as Veli-Pekka Ketola, Lauri and Erkki Mononen, Ilpo Koskela, Jorma Valtonen, Timo Turunen, Pentti Hiiros, Timo Sutinen and Henry Leppä.


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Jokerit immediately achieved success.


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The Jokers

In his first major league season, 1969—1970, Jokerit was fifth, in spring 1971 second, spring 1972 fourth, and in spring 1973 Jokerit achieved his first Finnish championship.


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The Jokers

In the 1972—1973 season, Jokerit also played skill hockey, which became part of its identity.


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The Jokers

[7] The championship was followed by a ten-year period of decline.


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The Jokers

Instead of new championships, the Jokerit moved on to fight for their league spot.


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The Jokers

Grounding was the 1977—1978 SM-liiga season, when Jokerit finished tenth, last in the series.


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The Jokers

The team retained their league place eventually through qualifiers.


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The Jokers

Aimo Mäkinen, who led the company like an autocrat, sometimes ran into bad debts, weakening the team.


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The Jokers

[8] As an impulsive nature, Mäkinen also fired coaches if the game did not run.


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The Jokers

However, the course for the jokers did not reverse.


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[9] Aimo Mäkinen stepped down from the club in August 1980.


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[10] Finally, in the spring of 1983, Jokerit made a momentary rise, coached by Reino Ruotsalainen, as it won the regular season.


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The Jokers

The team cleared their way to the SM-Finals against local opponent HIFK.


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The Jokers

Jokerit led the series 2—0, but lost it in the end, winning 2—3.


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Immediately after the 1982—1983 season, Jokerit returned to the tail end of the league table.


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Poor success expelled the public, which again undermined the money supply.


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The Jokers

The Jokers team was largely made up of young people with their own upbringing in a difficult economic climate.


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The Jokers

[9] In the summer of 1985, Jokeriklubin Tuki, led by Tapani Korpela, was twice filed for bankruptcy, but the necessary funds were finally brought together.


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The Jokers

[11] In the spring of 1987, the Jokers' 18-year stint in the main league came to an end when the team was relegated to Division I.


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[9] Harkimo dynasty Jokerit spent two seasons in Division I until rising back to SM-liiga for the 1989—1990 season.


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However, the team was plagued by financial problems and the club, which racked up debts of six million marks, was to file for bankruptcy in the early 1990s.


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The Jokers

[12] In February 1991, Harry “Hjallis” Harkimo bought himself the majority of the Jokers.


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The Jokers

[13] During Harkimo, marketing was invested and player acquisitions were conducted thoughtfully successfully.


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[14] Jokerit rose to the top and, in spring 1992, won the second Finnish championship in its history, thanks largely to young breeders.


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[15] For example, the 1988 A-Youth Finnish champions Teemu Selänne, Keijo Käänoja, Mika Strömberg, Waltteri Immonen, Markus Ketterer, Ari Sulander and Marko Halonen played in the team.


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[16] The 1991—92 season is also considered to have started a new period in the club's history, with Teemu Selänne serving as the figurehead of the “Jokeri phenomenon” for many years.


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The Jokers

[17] Money worries also receded, although Finland experienced a period of depression at the beginning of the decade.


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[18] The years 1992—97 were the most successful in its history for the Jokers, as the club also won the Finnish championship in 1994, 1996 and 1997 and the SM-silver in 1995.


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[19] In addition to them, Jokerit won the European Cup in 1995 and 1996.


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[20] [21] Moving to Hartwall Arena For the 1997—98 season, Jokerit moved to play their home matches from Helsinki Ice Hall to the new Hartwall Arena.


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The Jokers

However, a nominally strong squad and fluttering conditions proved no guarantee of success.


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The Jokers

In the spring of 1998, Jokerit achieved bronze, but in 1999 the club's medal streak, which lasted five seasons, was broken when the team lost in the quarterfinals to SAIPA.


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[22] [23] In 2000, Jokerit reached silver, but in 2001 the team that won the regular season was relegated again already in the quarterfinals.


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[24] In the spring of 2002, Jokerit won his sixth and final Finnish Championship.


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[25] The second half of the first decade of the 21st century was an ambivalent time for the Jokers.


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The Jokers

In 2005 and 2007, the team achieved silver, but in the second extreme, Jokerit finished only ranked 11th in 2006, outside the playoffs.


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[24] [26] Jokerit spent a lot of money on player purchases, but success was modest in comparison to the events.


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The Jokers

According to financial journals, the club's finances were also in poor shape as they entered the 2010s.


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The Jokers

[27] Jokerie's best achievement in the 2010s in SM-liiga was bronze from spring 2012.


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The Jokers

[28] In addition, at the 2011 European Trophy tournament, the team achieved silver.


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[29] In the 2012—13 season, Jokerit won the regular season, but lost in the quarterfinals to Rauman Luko.


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[30] KHL era In June 2013, Harry Harkimo was announced to sell the Hartwall Arena to Finnish-Russian businessmen Gennady Timchenko, as well as Arkadi, Boris and Roman Rotenberg, who also had an option to buy part of the Jokers.


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The Jokers

[31] At the same time, it was announced that Jokerit will enter the KHL league for the 2014—15 season as the first Finnish club.


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[32] Jokerien thus far remained the last SM-liiga season in 2013—14, which ended in the first round of the playoffs.


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[33] Moving to the KHL marked a significant increase in the club's player budget.


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[34] [35] In his first 2014—15 KHL season, Jokerit finished sixth in the 28-team series.


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The Jokers

In the regular season, the team achieved 119 points, qualifying for fourth place in the Western Conference.


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It was better than any rookie club in the KHL ever before.


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The Jokers

In the playoffs, Jokerit dropped Dinamo Minsk from the extension, thus making the Jokers the first rookie club in history to advance from the conference quarterfinals.


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The Jokers

The team was relegated from the extension in the conference semi-finals against CSKA Moscow.


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[36] A total of 327,972 spectators attended Jokerie's home games in the regular season, which was a new Finnish record.


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[37] In addition to good game play and high public interest, Jokerit also made headlines during the season due to, among others, an agreement with a foreign betting company, NordicBet, as well as the political situation in Russia.


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The Jokers

[38] In his second 2015—16 KHL season, Jokerit won as the first team outside Russia in the division's Western Conference, where it finished second.


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The Jokers

Throughout the series, Jokerit accumulated the third most points.


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The Jokers

[39] However, in the playoffs, the team immediately lost in the conference quarterfinals to Torpedo Nizhny Novgorod, winning 2—4.


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[40] In the 2016—17 season, Jokerit finished eighth in the Western Conference in the regular season and fell in the conference quarterfinals to CSKA Moscow with a win of 0—4.


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[41] In March 2017, Jokerit announced that he would continue in the KHL for at least the next five years.


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[42] The 2017—2018 season was the 50th anniversary season of the Jokers.


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[43] Jokerit fell again to CSKA Moscow, now in the conference semi-finals with a win 2—4.


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[44] However, the ranking was the club's best of the KHL era: 5th in the KHL and third in the Western Conference.


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[45] Identity Seura Jokerie has its roots in Töölö, Helsinki, as the club is descended from sports club Töölön Vesa.


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[46] However, the Jokers have traditionally had an East Helsinki stamp.


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Mika Wickström's HIFK—Jokers — struggle for domination of Helsinki states that the Jokers did not become a central city organisation like HIFK and HJK, but an East Helsinkian, and above all a company for those who moved to the suburbs.


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The Jokers

This was influenced by a junior series organised by Jokerie, the Kanada Series, which was played largely in the eastern districts of Helsinki.


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Many of those who moved from the country to Helsinki did not know each other in the suburbs, but with the Kanada series it was possible for them to get to know each other through their sons' hobby and thus assimilate into the Helsinki population.


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[47] In the 1970s, a large number of those who moved from other parts of Finland to Eastern Helsinki were from working-class backgrounds, and the duel between the Jokers and neighbouring club HIFK was fought on three axes at the time: east-west, working-class—bourgeoisie, Finnish—Finnish-Swedish.


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[46] Referring to the last, in the early 1980s, Jokerit developed a slogan for the Helsinki Finnish-speaking ice hockey team.


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[48] In its early years, HIFK considered the Jokers the “Koo-veena of Helsinki”, which referred to its popularity among working people and leftists.


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[49] For example, Paavo Arhinmäki, a former Minister of Culture and Sport who has recognised himself as a supporter of the Jokers, says that his support is based on the support of the workers' team Töölön Vesa because of his workers' background.


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The Jokers

For KHL jokers, his endorsement does not sustain.


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[50] [51] When Hjallis Harkimo took command of the club leadership in 1991, North America became the core of the team's new identity.


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The Jokers still had thousands of committed supporters in the direction of Kontula, Myllypuro and Vuosaari, but their role in Harkimo's marketing plan was not highlighted.


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Jokerit wanted to identify now with the East instead of the West, North America, where Harkimo's business ideas also originated.


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[52] Mika Wickström has written that when Jokerit moved to Hartwall Arena, it ceased to be stigmatised as Eastern Helsinki and especially “Helsinki's Finnish-speaking hockey team”.


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The Jokerit was no longer just a hockey club, but had become a multi-purpose hall running and a multi-faceted sports and entertainment industry group whose businesses went all the way abroad.


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[53] After Jokerien moved to the KHL in 2014, the club sought to change its brand from just Helsinki to more of a Finnish team.


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In the SM-liiga, 70% of the Jokerie games were from the metropolitan area, but only 58 in the first KHL season.


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[54] The Jokers no longer had the need to position themselves as a Helsinki team, and also wanted to avoid confrontation with HIFK.


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[55] Supporters Jokerie's work in the 1970s in Eastern Helsinki also produced results in the form of an audience.


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However, at the time, the jokerie games were being watched by people all over Helsinki.


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They were both migrants to Helsinki and long-lived in the city, as the club had inherited the Vesa supporter of Töölö.


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Supporters were also able to relate to the team, as the player guard bought around a few Helsinki players was like a mirror image of the Jokers' audience.


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The short age and missing traditions of the club did not interfere, as those who moved to the city had as few traditions in Helsinki as the Jokers.


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There was a desire to adapt to the city and create its own tradition for the Helsinki-based foundation.


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The Swedish-speaking culture of the neighbouring club HIFK was perceived, especially among the Jokeri supporters who moved to Helsinki, as proud, lavish and somewhat upper-class.


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It did not fit into their world of thought, for it did not erase the collateral and small sense of inferiority they felt in the new city.


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[56] In the early 1980s, the poor success of the Jokerie caused the team, with the exception of East Helsinki, to lose popularity among young people.


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The constant spiral of defeats did not attract matches.


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[57] The club's current form of fan activity originated in the 1987—1988 season, when Jokerit played his first season in Division I.


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Difficult times united supporters of the team.


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[58] In addition, relegation to Division I caused most of the venues in the Helsinki ice rink to be unnumbered.


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In this way, young advocates got to form wrinkles that became denser and expanded.


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Fan activity was entirely self-funded at first.


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Supporters travelled and encouraged among themselves, and published their own magazine called Mahtivärkki.


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Jokerit Fan Club was founded as the Jokerie rose back to the SM-liiga.


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During the time of the ice rink in Helsinki, the Jokerie fan grandstand was located in grandstand A3.


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[59] In the early 1990s, changes began to occur in the composition of Jokers supporters.


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The Jokers

The club continued to enjoy its greatest popularity in Eastern Helsinki, but the old borders began to crumble.


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The Jokers began to become a team in general throughout the metropolitan area and people arrived at matches steadily all over Uusimaa.


Question: when was Ambrose Burnside born?

The Jokers

Support for the jokers spread throughout Finland, which was new, because in the countryside the Helsinki and Helsinki-based teams were generally not liked.


Question: when was Ambrose Burnside born?

The Jokers

The number of women in the stands also increased.


Question: when was Ambrose Burnside born?

The Jokers

Furthermore, the old language border with HIFK began to crumble, as the Jokers' supporters included even more Swedish-speaking individuals.