Why Did Allah Allow People Of The Book To Corrupt Crucial Details?
I apologize, i didn’t pay attention to the actual question 1. What reasons do you have to believe that just because Muhammad SAW’s name is mentioned, Jews and Christians would accept his prophethood? Didn’t Jews rejected Jesus AS even though he spoke as a baby, showed them the ultimate miracles of miracle (giving life) and Christians who accepted Paul as their religious leader who invented holy trinity (also a copied dogma) and let Paul run away with the religion, invented interpretations from saints and cancelled the Shariah of Moses AS and made haram halal? Even if We had sent them the angels, made the dead speak to them, and assembled before their own eyes every sign ˹they demanded˺, they still would not have believed—unless Allah so willed. But most of them are ignorant ˹of this˺ 6:111 Even if you were to bring every proof to the People of the Book, they would not accept your direction ˹of prayer˺, nor would you accept theirs; nor would any of them accept the direction ˹of prayer˺ of another. And if you were to follow their desires after ˹all˺ the knowledge that has come to you, then you would certainly be one of the wrongdoers Those We have given the Scripture recognize this ˹Prophet˺ as they recognize their own children. Yet a group of them hides the truth knowingly. 2:145-146 So, there was ample evidence for the jews and christians to believe in Quran and Muhammad SAW but they chose not to believe. They could’ve Muhammad SAW’s lineage, his height weight, photograph and even then they would’ve found the way to deny him.
The deviant sect example fits the scenario very good. Just like muslim needs a clean translation of Quran and a clean mind, Christians need the same things! clean Bible translation and clean mind Yeah but it seems Christians and Jews face the extra challenge of corrupted scripture that the deviant sect example lacks. It appears Jesus AS is referring to torah Fair enough, I will accept this interpretation. First I tried explaining that’s it’s not a crucial point at all.secondly I tried to show that name was actually mentioned. I doubt any Christians and Jews will consider it though since the name only occurs if you accept a text distortion theory. (And in opinion of scholars, ignoring the context of Isaiah, leading to injustice on our part according to those scholars.) Off course Christian and jews would’ve responses. What’s wrong with that? Each Christian Jew or muslim look at the responses in their respective quests and make a decision. Because it feels like Allah has given them room to argue and stand their ground. It makes me question what is the goal of Allah here. He could have easily made the scripture point towards Islam and fill it with clear prophecies of Prophet (PBUH) but choose not to. It leads to barrier to Itmam-e-Hujjat and creation of more than just excuses. Or perhaps Allah does not want majority to enter Hereafter as Muslims? You have an opinion about Karbala based on few points, you don’t think there can be very good logical response to that? Most certainly but u made up ur opinion after thought process. Same exact things happens to Christians and Jews when they read/hear about Muhammad SAW and Quran. Yeah but originally you did state that Christians and Jews know exactly who Prophet (PBUH) is but are denying the truth. Issue with Karbala is that, no one can be absolutely right so we all have different opinions and that’s okay, but I don’t think that is a case in a process of Itmam-e-Hujjat (regards to Prophet’s (PBUH) prophethood) since in the end, you are either left with truth or people making excuses to deny that truth, not simply different opinions as is the case with Karbala.
I see, so it is both a test for believers and Allah filtering out the disbelievers. I just assumed Allah would do this AFTER giving some time for people to consider the truth. Like AFTER People of the Book had analyzed the Qur’an and rejected it. People of the Book, believe in what We have sent down to confirm what you already have before We wipe out [your sense of ] direction, turning you back, or reject you, as We rejected those who broke the Sabbath: God’s will is always done. (4:47) But I guess I am not in a position to know how Allah is judging people. Most Jews and Christians proves to be hostile and arrogant without any right even before reading the Qur’an so I guess they might get rejected at that very moment by Allah. Allah knows best. Thank you for @Sid @altmash for the responses. I think I am satisfied.
“Every one can justify their beliefs of any kind using the Quran / sunnah or bible or torah or science. History is full of such examples.” This would not be possible if the situation was not vague, no? Jews and Christians during the time of Prophet (PBUH) never questioned his prophethood nor the related prophecies. Why is that? Because the situation during that time was clear. Modern Jews and Christians are now questioning the prophethood and the related prophecies. Why is that? Is the situation not clear as always or has Allah allowed it go vague. If it is vague then why did Allah choose it to be vague? And if it is still clear then didn’t any Jews/Christians argued similarly during Prophet’s (PBUH) time? Why are Modern Jews and Christians arguing about the prophecies if the situation is clear like before?
so the examples I earlier quoted, Khatim, Noor in 5:15 and Noor e Muhammadi SAW, Al-Ali and Ali RA Would you call them vague? and thats why people twisted them? Not at all, it was clear then and clear now. Just because they could read Ahmad in the scripture more clearly than today (this is also an assumption but lets not discuss that right now). easiest refutation would be that his name is not Ahmad but Muhammad SAW. They never said that, why? because there were lot of other signs proving his prophethood. Same is true today. Just this 1 vague thing (in your view) doesn’t make a difference unless someone is insistent on denying. Nothing will be enough to make them accept Iman. Again, this is true for musims, jews and christians alike. please explain how would christian or jews become muslims or stop questioning all the related prophecies if Ahmad was mentioned as clearly as Jesus AS in the bible? Wouldn’t there be many many reasons to deny? I think u r assuming their reasons for questioning and also giving too much importance to this 1 thing without much evidence (I haven’t read or heard any christian scholar to come forward with this argument. However, many sunday priests mention it out of context though. The mention of Kedar easily refutes that it could be someone else other than Muhammad SAW, but I not knowing isn’t an argument so please let me know if I am making a mistake)
I am happy that you feel so strongly about the fact that Allah’s message should reach as many people as possible in the most clear way and their hearts are also open to it and not clouded by the clutter of historical errors, false claims etc I never said (at-least consciously) that Christian and jews are hiding the truth. Always meant their scholars. Most common folk do not know whats written in the bible. Bible is used on 3 occasions, birth, marriage and death (parallel with how we treat quran). most christian convert to islam because they find confusion, corruption in the bible. Even if the all the prophecies about Muhammad SAW are unchanged, the over all corruption of the bible would’ve been enough to render it untrustworthy. Then the argument would be that muslims rule christian lands for hundreds of yrs and changed the scripture and burnt the original bible or something similar. Plz allow me to share my perspective regarding the vagueness you mentioned, may be there’s some good in it This is the problem of science and religion. Science can not confirm what religion is talking about, both, physically or metaphysically. Human knowledge grows very slowly because it is a rigorous process of experience, understanding, falsification analysis, theories, confirmation and deriving principles. Newton explained gravity and it took roughly 250-300 yrs for einstein to propose theory of relativity. Quantum mechanics discovered almost 70-80 yrs ago and still we don’t have a working theory or an equation to describe QM. Allah sent religions to let humans know about Himself because it would’ve take human consciousness billions of yrs to come to the conclusion of a creator. Imagine early man standing outside his cave, he has too many worries to think than to ponder how sun is shining or rain is falling etc. Allah used physical miracles to prove His point because thats all humans know, the world we inhabit and nothing else. If He had opened up another dimension, how on earth we could’ve understood it? Think if you we 500 yr ago and reading And He is the One Who created the day and the night, the sun and the moon—each travelling in an orbit 21:33. At that time u were schooled the Ptolemy’s model of planets where earth is center and probably flat. It must’ve been puzzling isn’t it? It was considered wrong or a mistake in the quran (this is only 1 e.g.) With the advent of human knowledge, we learned quran was never wrong. Archeology was invented to prove historical narrative of the bible and it has done the most damage to it. Archeology is less than 100 yrs old, we still lack the tools to map the earth or oceans, most accurate method to estimate age is carbon dating, not perfect and destroys the specimen so can’t be used. If Quran proven correct about orbits, water cycle, water as basis of life, zygote then it will be correct about seven heavens, multiple earths, creation of life, Noah’s Ark, exodus and historical Moses AS and Jesus AS and relics about existence of Muhammad SAW will be discovered too, insha Allah. This is a process by which Allah provides guidance to all generations. Each generation will have evidence relative to their time proving Allah’s existence and Muhammad SAW’s truth. In the same way, it is the test for muslims of every generation too, who have to decide if they want to believe in the book thats proven correct over the centuries but in their time appears to be false. As I said, guidance is not cheap, neither eternal bliss is free We are clear that crucification never happened. I believe that ayah (4:157) is referring to people who tried killing Jesus AS and not the chrisitians. The crucification and the original sin were invented quite a long time after the event had happened. I agree with prophetic prophecies have been rejected and made fun of. Our job is to keep presenting Quran and the personality of Muhammad SAW. How can a book like Quran can be written by an unlettered shepherd? how can a man give ideas so not relative to his time (referring to concepts of morality in Muhammad SAW life and hadiths) how can a man act so strangely and completely opposite to his environment and upbringing? This will be more than enough to guide whoever wants to be guided