Why People Are Leaving Islam?
Faisal Bhai many thanks for your reply. I have to disagree with you at this point though. Atheism is not based on conjecture neither it depends on theory of evolution. Take 2 examples, If we say Allah created universe, Hindu say Krishna did it and Greek say it was Zeus. Do we have any objective data that it was Allah and not Krishna or Zeus? Objective data means something acceptable by all 3 parties. I don’t think we can prove it without referring to Quran or Vedas or Greek mythology, all aren’t evidence for everyone. We can find flaws in their books and they point out problems with Quran. In other words, the matter thats in this universe bears no stamp of any single creator, every religion has created a story of creation to fit the observations of there founders. Secondly, if we say evolution has many gaps, absolutely true. What does religion has? A claim that God did it, again how and which God? How do we prove that Allah created it? Finding fallacies in evolution just shows its not perfect, it doesn’t prove that religion is right. Michael Behe arguments (Darwin’s black box) has been refuted, Francis Collins never came forward with an objective explanation but his own religious experience, Berlinski is an agnostic and not a believer, Myers has a good argument regarding complex computation of genes. But again that shows fallacy of evolution and doesn’t say that there was an act of creation by an omnipotent God. We just don’t know how it happened. If we insist that God did it then it’ll be God of the gaps analogy Shoaib Imtiaz Brother in the beginning God was an A Priori concept meaning, an accepted fact that doesn’t need to be proven. Therefore all religions, philosophies have an impression of some form of God. Neither atheism existed in the meaning we understand it now. Exclusive atheism was punishable by death, Socrates was killed under the same allegation of atheism Indian philosophy is rich and ancient. They r not that scientific though, astrology and math were popular but much later after vedas and even Puranas. The philosophy is divided into 2 broad categories ASTIKA (Believers) NASTIKA (non believers) Nastika schools are Buddhism, Jainism and Carvaka. Buddha was the first atheist (so they claim) Chinese and Egyptian philosophy is older than Indian philosophy. Most people leave islam not because of a thoughtful discussion or rational thinking, they leave after personal trauma. Also true for other religions. All factors u mentioned r true but not the driving force. There’s a British researcher who researched why young muslims r leaving islam, book’s name is The Apostates, u can read it and see the different reasons. In short, religion is losing its grip on human lives. People use religion for 3 things, rituals at birth, marriage and death ceremony. Morality is also not dependent on religion but atheistic / secular understanding of human nature and suffering I see atheism as the dominant ideology, real threat to islam is atheism and not anything else
Yes people do that. But if they feel islam is that bad then it’s their right to give their opinions. I don’t think answering back is a fruitful exercise. Because they don’t believe Quran is an evidence and I already mentioned that debunking scientific theories doesn’t prove anything Remember another book, An Atheist muslim by a Pakistani origin cancer doctor Currently I am reading the Cambridge history of atheism, it came out in 2021. I went through Oxford handbook of atheism recently. Other books on my to-read list, Evolution of God, Case for God, evolution of Atheism, Why we believe. There’s 2006 conference Beyond Belief on YouTube, all famous atheist scientist gave their opinions about why there’s no God. An interesting watch. If we r done here then u can start a separate thread with 1 opinion and we can discuss. I don’t have doubts about Allah, Alhamdulillah. I am not satisfied with the approach we take to answer atheism
Ok, I don’t understand the purpose of this exercise. I’ll answer this time but do let me know what’s going on Faith is blind because it’s like believing in fairytales. U believe it’s true but as your knowledge grows, u can see the flaws. People of faith has zero objective evidence and only subjective evidence. And amazing fact is this that u can use the subjective evidence to prove ANY deity! The evidence can be used to prove Yahaweh and same argument can be used to prove Brahma or Zeus. If we ask who made water cycle, answer is God, then which God, then each religion pull out there own books and say “my god”. If we ponder then we’ll see the fallacy, claim is from this physical world but answer is from a metaphysical source, a divine book. Not testable or provable! Accept this bk is from god and that’s why it’s a proof. Absurd! Religious books r plenty, over 300. It’s very simple that God could put something that proves it’s divine. Things that humans will observe in later times. But religious bks give claims and only claims. They talk about crops and water cycle, rain, storms and earthquakes and say look god can do all that. How does they prove this claim? By faith alone. If any bk can claim all of the above and only explained 1 thing in detail, something that we know ancient man couldn’t have known like shape of earth or stars burn or rain comes from sea water. In other words, if there’s increase in human knowledge based on religious bks then there claim of divinity would be justified. All religious bks give 0 evidence. They give eg of common observable phenomena and claim god does it. Modern followers find subtle or hidden meaning in their bks and say look, it’s proof. There’s mathematical secrets of vedas, medicines from Vedas, even aeronautics from Vedas! What can I say??? Religious ppl say that they r work of literature, more absurdity. This is to hide all the mistakes and inaccuracies. Work of literature from all mighty god, really! How’s that an evidence for divine? So God sent literature for us to follow and solve our problems and guided us? Literature means, it can reinterpreted over and over and “find” hidden meanings whenever we like. No religious bk would confirm other bks, it’s common sense to think that if there’s 1 God and he had sent down multiple bks for different times then He must’ve put confirmation or news of earlier messages, like Vedas predicted later books or Torah predicted Bible, u find none! Any concept that’s unanimous? Nope. Religion kills, no doubt. Go back in history, why did Spartans fought Athenian? Why did Roman’s attacked all the world, what about crusades, what about war between Catholics and Protestants, or among muslim sects since the 2nd century post hijra. Do u know Nazi soldiers took oaths on the Bible! 3 religions fighting for 2500 yrs over Jerusalem! Why does all Abraham Religions r waiting for their military messiah that will lead to the biggest war?? War for what? To kill chickens? To kill humans on the most massive scale. All religions preach this thirst for blood of others who do not believe in their version of metaphysics! No serious student of history and theology can deny religion only wants domination over others. There’s lot more but I stop here