Does God Lie 2?
Hopefully this response to your other question should suffice : Discussion 41784 • Reply 41850
If you say “I have a trillion dollars” it can either be true or false. The distinguishing factor is not your statement (the information). The distinguishing factor is whether or not you own a trillion dollars. Falsehood doesn’t “come from” information. Information can either be true or false based on whether or not it pertains to an underlying truth. Falsehood is simply the absence of truth no matter how you look at it. The point that I made in my earlier post was not that we can deductively prove that God can’t lie. The point was that God is the sheer source of our knowledge and truth and our ability to discern truth from falsehood. There’s no point in even evaluating what He has said is true or not. We believe in God on the basis of evidence. Once we do, we have no choice but to accept whatever He says as truth. In other words, we can’t escape our own existence and get higher than God in order to judge Him.
Ok now this will be stretching it and I’m just going to say it for the purpose of discussion and further learning. So please feel free to attack it from all directions. How do you know that happened? It’s God telling you right? All your knowledge comes from him surely. So how do you know that that event actually happened and you’re not being tricked into it. This is what I think would be the limits of human knowledge that I hinted at above. We can’t actually be sure of anything except our ‘selves’. Even I can’t be sure about you. I can only be sure about ‘me’. That’s one reply. The other would be that how do you not know that all of these events haven’t been tailored for you to think that God is just and true? And that in reality it’s all a joke? Can we really deny this possibility? I don’t think we can prove nor disprove it. We simply don’t have the faculties to do so. Our human reasoning cannot pierce that realm of certainty and knowledge it seems
You know what’s the irony in the statement that you shared. You say that you think therefore “you” are real and and the “giver” of your self is also true because if he isn’t true then you are false. But whether the rest of us are true or false, you don’t know. Now, what would be your response when that giver of your self comes in front of you? Would you tell him, no I do not know whether you are real or not? See, the problem with this line of thinking is that then, for anything to be real or true, it has to be “you”. But you concluded earlier that there is someone else who gave you your self. Then, how is it possible that “you” cannot be “him” and yet he still exists. That for anything to be real or true, it doesn’t have to be “you”, that’s my point.
Challo let’s say demonstrate to not mix up the terms
But even if the terms are being mixed my overall point still stands that we have no reason to rely on our senses. Perhaps even not our logic