Studying Atheism
Please also refer to the video below from 1:16:04 to 1:22:57 https://youtu.be/ysn4SDfKlVA?t=4564
Thank you brother Faisal I’ve read history of western philosophy and understand how different people have viewed God and truth over the ages. It’s kind of interesting to see how human mind wanders without the guidance of revelation. Where do I find Imam Farahi RA viewpoint and Ghamidi Sahab’s viewpoint? Yes, some of the famous scientist did believe in God An older survey by PEW in 2009 showed 33% of USA scientist believed in God, 18% in higher consciousness or spirit and 49% were atheist. Philosophers would be similar I presume Again, yes, politics do play a role in spread of atheism but a bigger part is played by mingling of cultures, advancement of science in explaining universe better and better and failure of religion, in general, to help people find happiness and solace. We Muslims rejoice that Islam is fastest growing, true, only if u look at birth rate of Muslims, highest 3.9-4 children/woman compared to Christianity 2.7, Buddhist 1.9 and atheist 1.7. The number of people identify themselves as “religiously unaffiliated” is rising very sharply in Europe and USA. Only in 8-9 yrs, numbers almost doubled in USA. There’s no data in Islamic countries because of atheism being culturally unacceptable. Point is that atheism is the new dominant philosophy/ideology or it will be in 1-2 decades Brother Faisal I respect your opinion about innate nature and I also know Allah mentioned it in the Quran and we believe it as a guiding source in Islam. But, unfortunately, Innate nature is not proven by scientific experiments of the highest caliber so far. Common knowledge or common experience doesn’t mean its true. It was common knowledge that earth is flat or center of the universe because it appeared as such to the naked eye. We all see and hear an ambulance driving by as singular experience and we all feel and see our body as a single experience but sounds travels slower than light and tactile and pain nerve fibers are also slower than light but our consciousness merges 2 signals and make them as 1 experience. So what everyone feels doesn’t mean its also “real”. I am not worried about it though, when Quran mentioned planets orbit or life started in water etc, science of the day didn’t prove it but much later. Innate nature will be proven as well Insha Allah in our life time. Thank you, I will watch the documentary you suggested
Thank you brother Faisal yes, the paper does seem condensed. Not sure if u can grasp it on my own What about the book Hujjajul quran by imam farahi? I know Sajid hameed taught it and it was been translated and explained in Ishraq, is this book relevent? I havent watched Zaviya, will attempt to do that I have gone through the initial lectures of Meezan, since i do not have much interest in fique so i stopped at Qanon-e-Muasharat we discussed fitrah earlier and you said that you had to go through the fitrah lectures few times to grasp it. I have heard it twice so far, it makes perfect sense within the religious context alone but not when u examine its role in history of man and cultures. the main problem is that fitrah has no definition and since its not defined, we can not understand its limits or decide the framework or context fitrah works and when it gets corrupted. for e.g. hunter gatherers ate pythons, monkeys and mammoths, none is consumed by any human civilization. We can argue that hunter gatherers were before man was chosen as “Adam” and given consciousness or Ruh but how do we prove it? thanks again for helping me deciding a guideline for my study,
Something is true not because science confirms it but because it passed the sanity check. Science is only one of the tools available for sanity checks to figure out truth. The domain of sanity, rationale or logic is far beyond the scope of science. That’s why sanity can figure out metaphysical entities while the science cannot. One example is our self-awareness, consciousness or soul – even tho science can’t prove it no one in his right mind can deny it. Similarly, belief in God and Divine message comes thru a ladder of inference. At a certain step of the ladder one begins to see why God can’t lie (as he’s so powerful that he does not have to) and then one begins believing in the info about future and the world we have come from and have to return after death.
Ok brother Wudud, good luck with your sanity check AI is not like Siri Siri is algorithm based machine learning protocol. Allah didn’t ask us to go outside the universe to find Him. Allah put His signs in the physical world around us. We also only need to study the universe we inhabit Lastly, if u r interested in AI then a book called Life 3.0 by Max Tegmark is a very good read
Again that’s a problem in understanding what’s being referred to as fitrah. Influence from culture and environment has been discussed and responded to in Ghamidi sahab’s lectures. Existence of God is also discussed in the same lectures. I suggest that you listen to those lectures again with a critical mind, and pinpoint anything that you think might be problematic. If you share a particular video with the reference timestamp and the nature of your confusion in a separate discussion, we can discuss it further Insha’allah.