Why Did Allah Allow People Of The Book To Corrupt Crucial Details?
No, ayahs relative directly to the people of that time and also relative to people of the book today. They were punished cuz they were direct addressees and not that ayahs r only and only relative to them Current 4 angels have more errors and historical additions than barnabas. Despite these facts (read Bart Ehrman books on bible corruption) 4 bibles still taken as canonical. Messiah is used in the quran to identify Jesus AS as the same person as Messiah of christianity. Its not a title but an identification. When barnabas wrote his gospel, Jesus AS wasnt given this title. This is not our point of discussion so leave it at this for now. The point is that Christians didn’t believe a far more reliable gospel than their 4 books. They would’ve found another reason for explaining the name Ahmad same thing can be said about presence of the name Ahmad, its vague and its another person. Ahmad was never the name but his name was Muhammad SAW. The reports of his name being Ahmad were fabricated etc etc No, Aaron was also a descendant of David AS just like Moses AS was. None of jews of that time said Jesus AS wasn’t a jew. He was a jew and hence from DavidAS I was referring to jews in the last 1000 yrs or so who have access to the bible, they can read multiple forms of lineage of Jesus AS but still they didn’t and they don’t believe. This argument doesn’t apply to jews of that time. Quran contained more important things than prophethood, Tauheed and akhira. But both these concepts is been corrupted by translations and interpretations. Allah has given all the proofs and signs everywhere in His books and around us. Its the free will of people to ponder over these signs or not Dr Hamidullah RA also had the opinion that the bible contained the name Ahmad, removed by the scholars after the time of prophet Muhammad SAW. However, there’s no objective proof (an old manuscript or something) except Quran (which is proof only for muslims) likelihood is that christian scholars removed the name and added another arabic word that later further changed by subsequent translations (bible wasn’t in its original language but a translation, what arab chrisitians had was also an arabic translation of bible and not original cuz the original bible had been lost long time ago. The 4 canonical bibles were selected from more than 100 manuscripts available at that time)
No they didn’t but it point out an important landmark in their history when they deviated to shirk despite know how severely Allah punished shirk when their ancestors took a calf as god. therefore it remains relative to jews of today. Just u and i weren’t around when india was divided but its relevant to us Barnabas is mentioned by Paul himself in Epistles of Paul meaning it cant be 1500 AD Messiah is Jesus AS, the anointed one, a title for identification and thats it My mistake, I should’ve written Jacob AS. Point was that Jesus AS was a jew. The line of David AS is a fabrication cuz they themselves assumed that messiah will be a military leader. (not the focus here anyway) Only reason I mentioned is because what u said about Isaac AS lineage. It doesn’t matter in my opinion. I did not explain myself completely Allah allowed different people to add shirk and false beliefs about akhira in their translations and tafseers. Why did Allah allowed that to happen? I would guess more than 80-90% of muslims read translations and not original text. Even the arabs cuz quranic arabic is very different than different arabic dialects of today. Its the natural evolution of language. so why did Allah allowed removal / twisting of His word in translations? Allah allowed Nusairees to interpret Al-Ali (His name) to Ali RA or Mirza Ghulam Ahmad sahab to interpret Khatim as he did or interpret word noor in 5:15 as noor-e-Muhammad (Muhammad SA noor is also timeless) among countless examples throughout muslim history. Ghamidi sahab is absolutely correct because Quran is preserved. anyone can find true islam by reading it with tafakkur this might be helpful (from another article) “Isaiah 42 is among the earliest and the most common prophecies referred to by Muslims. Since the time of Muhammad [ﷺ], Muslims believed that it was fulfilled by no one other than him.[39][40] The first verse begins with: “Behold my Servant, whom I uphold; mine Elect…”. The Hebrew word which was translated to “whom I uphold” is “אתמך”(Etmokh). This word never appears anywhere in the entire Bible except here.Muslim authors, pointing to the similarity between the writing of “אתמך”(etmokh) and the writing of “אחמד” which is the name Ahmad, suggested that an intended distortion might have been done by the scribes of Scripture in the first verse of this chapter in order to hide the name of the Chosen Servant of God which is “אחמד” (Ahmad). Muhammad is believed by Muslims to be the Chosen Servant of God (courtesy wikipedia)”
No they didn’t but it point out an important landmark in their history when they deviated to shirk despite know how severely Allah punished shirk when their ancestors took a calf as god. therefore it remains relative to jews of today. Just u and i weren’t around when india was divided but its relevant to us I don’t think you can still cast a judgment upon all Jews and Christians today that they are aware of who Prophet (PBUH) is. Ghamidi Sahab says that there will be Jews and Christians whom the message of Islam will not reach (even though it’s available across the internet). We can’t assume they are convinced of his prophethood of Prophet (PBUH) let alone even be aware of all the details of Islam. Barnabas is mentioned by Paul himself in Epistles of Paul meaning it cant be 1500 AD Barnabas was the disciple of Jesus (AS) yes, but that doesn’t necessary means the Gospel was written by him, just like none of the Gospels are actually written by the authors they are attributed to. My mistake, I should’ve written Jacob AS. Point was that Jesus AS was a jew. The line of David AS is a fabrication cuz they themselves assumed that messiah will be a military leader. (not the focus here anyway) Only reason I mentioned is because what u said about Isaac AS lineage. It doesn’t matter in my opinion. Yeah but you can’t hold Jews responsible for not believing in Jesus (AS) now if all the related claims they got are either him being the Messiah in their sense or incarnation of God. It is rare to present Jesus (AS) as a prophet and some Jewish scholars even accept the idea that Jesus (AS) was either a Rabbi or a prophet that was turned into what he is now but without any pure message of his to investigate from, Jews can’t risk to accept him or associate with what they believe to be a demigod or a blasphemer. However the lineage is important for Prophet (PBUH) because Jesus (AS) being a prophet is a thing but an Ishamelite prophet? A Jew can’t accept that without Scripture support. This is why your argument for Jesus (AS) doesn’t work and is not the same for Prophet (PBUH), so lineage does matter in my opinion. It may not have mattered for people during the time of Prophet (PBUH) since special Itmam-e-Hujjat was happening for everyone but today, many Jews and Christians see nothing special in Prophet (PBUH). so why did Allah allowed removal / twisting of His word in translations? This twisting doesn’t do anything because as you agree with Ghamidi Sahab, anyone that is willing to approach Islam with a right mind set will find the truth anyway because in the heart of the Islamic text, the message is still preserved. The Bible case is that the connection of Ismail (AS) and Prophet’s (PBUH) name has been uprooted to the point where you can’t blame people for not thinking that Islam has no connection with the rest of the Abrahamic religions because the crucial details are completely gone. Jews see Jesus (AS) as a failed Messiah (from their standards) and both Jews and Christians see Muhammad (PBUH) as a failed prophet (again from their standards). And honestly I don’t think I can blame them considering both Torah and Gospel warn against false prophets and only tell you to trust prophecies which seems to be lacking for both Jesus (AS) and Prophet (PBUH). this might be helpful (from another article) I am aware of all the prophecies that are offered for Prophet (PBUH) but the issue remains. This is food for my iman but it means nothing for Jews and Christians. They are going to tell you to read the whole Book of Isaiah and realize that it is talking about the nation of Israel as the Servant and not a particular person. The prophecies are vague. Henceforth a name could help and I know Allah choose otherwise but my main question is to understand the wisdom behind the decision, not WHAT IF scenarios.
brother your question is in itself WHAT IF scenario we do not know of any disciples of Barnabas hence it is more likely he wrote his gospel. Point is not who wrote what, point is that christians have had a much authentic document but they chose to prefer others over it the lineage arguments is a very weak one and i don’t even think any christian would care about it (I accept that this is my assumption only, share if you know otherwise) Muslims have so many deviant sects even when Quran is preserved. Allah did not stop people from corrupting His last book. Because He gave people free will to do as they like and also Nafs -e-Lawama / fitrah / consciousness to see and seek the truth just like mindful muslims can leave their deviant practices so could christians too. There are bible translation that are considered “too accurate” hence discouraged, (bible translation by James Moffatt). The majority (53%) of reverts to islam are from Christian faith! Allah mentioned the name Ahmad and its still there. rather than asking them why don’t u read Isiah 42, its only 11 ayahs. I’ll quote the last ayah 42:11 Let the desert and its cities shout out, the towns where the nomads of Kedar live! Let the residents of Sela shout joyfully; let them shout loudly from the mountain- tops the first ayah mentioned Muhammad SAW name and last ayah points out to his ancestor Kedar https://www.biblestudytools.com/dictionary/kedar/ In conclusion, Allah mentioned the name Ahmad SAW very clearly. No report is available where Christian or jews came forward and said thats a lie we don’t find that name in our books. Later, they changed the ayahs and translation upon translation later it has become more ambiguous. Allah allowed that as He allowed corruption of Quranic meaning because of free will. It is upto people to question and seek answers.
wow! brother it seems you would go to any length to prove your view point As far as the concern of the question goes, I think I am satisfied a few posts back but if your view point is more correct, you are gonna have to give more than what you are offering right now. why it is hard to accept that words are clear but people twisted them for their own gains? They do, just that I don’t see how every Jews and Christian that is twisting the prophecies is doing that. It seems to be a bold prejudice that I’m not comfortable in applying to every Jew and Christian. If you see the problem from their perspective, we are the one twisting the words. but it easier to question Allah that why He didn’t make it more clear or why He did not stop them from making those changes? It is not to question Allah, it is to understand His wisdom. That it might bring peace to the heart. Why create the current vague situation? But you may not begin to answer this because you disagree that there is a vague situation to begin with. another weakest argument. So jews and christian of medina would know Muhammad SAW’s birth name give to him by his mother who passed away when he a child and he spent rest of his life with his paternal grand father and his family. No reported contact with his maternal family as a child or as a grown man? if this seems reasonable to you then your can accept it From my knowledge, Prophet (PBUH) was known as Ahmad bin Abdullah whereas “Muhammad” was a secondary name bestowed upon him by his grandfather, right? So I don’t think Prophet (PBUH) being associated with “Ahmad” was a secret. In fact it should be well-known, otherwise the Qur’an mentioning a secret name like Ahmad only makes the argument stranger, why would Qur’an mention a secret name then? they have an agenda and they will work on their agenda no matter what. This is what they say about us. Stretching of Kedar to an area of land is no scholarship. And who’s going to stop them? By their standard, it is scholarship. This what I mean by vagueness of the situation. You can refute the Noor-e-Muhammad etc manipulation of the Qur’an because the original text will bear witness against the manipulation but you can’t grab the hands of these Jews and Christians because the Bible is a mess.
You and I think differently This is the issue. Jews and Christians reach a common point with us that we and them simply “think differently” not that one side is blatantly hiding the truth which was a pretty strong initial claim on your part. It shows the existence of vagueness otherwise one clear dominant idea would be present and rest would be following it but it is not the case, Jews and Christians well-versed in the scripture are not that intimidated by Islam. Rather they are just being tortured by the problems of the scripture itself and they may die in the confusion then to come to a conclusion that Prophet (PBUH) is prophesied by their scripture since that they would require them to ignore the context of their passages. They see us as Noor-e-Muhammad text manipulators, who ignore what scripture is really saying and insert their own stuff into the Qur’an. Just like we reject them, Jews and Christians reject our insertion. Allah should not have put us in such situation if there was no vagueness, if our “ignoring the context” approach is more righteous. To me, there is no vagueness whatsoever in basic tenets of faith. I never claimed vagueness in basis tenets of faith. There is vagueness outside Islam, there is vagueness for Non-Muslims, their path has been riddled with it, mostly because of the sins of their forefathers that choose to corrupt scripture rather than being honest Muslims. And in both Qur’an and Bible, it seems not uncommon to Allah to put a hard test on all Israelite on the account of bad decisions of the leaders. I will not believe Allah is Just if I think He left any vagueness in finding His path Let me list everything that is vague: 1. There is no historical evidence for Noah (AS), Ibrahim (AS) [nor his connection with Holy Kaaba] or Moses (AS). All we have is a stone tablet mentioning the House of David (AS) (and some records of later kings) that’s all Allah left us with. Only record of these people is the Bible and we admit that it’s not reliable. 2. There is no evidence that Exodus of Moses (AS) happened, we have no idea who the Pharoah was or how was the nation of Egypt punished since the Egyptians existed even in Prophet Muhammad’s time (PBUH). 3. There is no historical evidence of Jesus (AS) and reality of the crucifixion has been made “dubious” according to Qur’an itself! (Talk about no vagueness?) 4. Then there are the prophecies of Jesus (AS) and Prophet (PBUH), both are so vague that Jewish scholars have been debunking them since forever, Christians claiming Christhood for Jesus (AS) makes sense since Jews admit there is a Messiah but no one admits there will be a last prophet so a group of Jews will always take Prophet (PBUH) less seriously than a Messiah claimant. Now you can claim that People of the Book are twisting, dishonest and what not, but you can’t seriously tell me that majority of them are dishonest, that’s just a harsh judgment. It’s no different than Christians claiming that all non-believers know Christ but knowingly deny him, you and I can bear witness that’s not true since we genuinely think Jesus (AS) is not god, there is no facade of innocence and it is strange to assume the same of non-Muslims. Such a strong judgment is not even shared by Ghamdi Sahab except in cases of Shirk where he claims there is no argument for Shirk so Allah will hold people for account on that but there will be many Jews and Christians that come on Judgment Day not knowing about the prophethood of Prophet (PBUH), this is what Ghamidi Sahab highlights. You seems to be going against that view. Anyway, I listed the vagueness above, you can’t really look at me and tell me that there is no vagueness there. If you can understand why there is vagueness, it would not seems that Allah is unjust but you will not see it since you aren’t admitting there is a problem. Do not close your mind to other point of views, entertain the idea, put yourself in other people’s shoes (which is something you haven’t done for Jews and Christians this entire discussion) and then maybe come to a conclusion that Allah is unjust for being vague. “It is the glory of God to conceal a thing, but the honor of kings is to search out a matter.” (Proverbs 25:2) He is favoring muslims over people of the book. The idea is not that He is favoring them, is as you quoted, Allah can guide anyway He want, He can take a man lost in the north pole and guide him all the way to Islam so everyone has virtually equal chance of being guided however it is a reality that a large number of people will not die as Muslims. A big reason behind that is the vagueness. It seems with Qur’an 2:62, Allah is okay with the idea of saving Christians and Jews as well, and that’s the thing, it’s not about favoring, it’s that it seems Allah does not require a certain group of people accept Islam to find guidance and that makes me curious, why is it? Wouldn’t a world with a widespread of Islam not be better? Apparently not, and hence to know the Lord’s wisdom I must seek the answer.