Why God Will Never Forgive Shirk?
These are your conclusions, and they don’t exactly reflect what I have stated in that discussion.
“If the concept of one god and the concept of right and wrong was built into human nature, then there was no need for Allah’s guidance, holy books or prophets.” when does Qur’an said that this book is for your guidance, because you were without guidance and were bad without it!! and here is our messenger to teach you to how to become civilised! Everyone know what they hide and what they follow! But what if someone say, ‘i feel it ok to kill..’ and then he say it’s what i feel truth for myself? you may take example of Hitler you may punish him, but can you warn him to fear to not to do this? since his conclusion is subjective and your conclusions are subjective too. and this is the point where u need a common Judge to make difference. and here u refer to God to tell people to have fear of God he prohibited this… so Why Quran is here with us? وَهَٰذَا كِتَابٌ مُّصَدِّقٌ لِّسَانًا عَرَبِيًّا لِّيُنذِرَ الَّذِينَ ظَلَمُوا وَبُشْرَىٰ لِلْمُحْسِنِينَ “this is a confirming Scripture in the Arabic language, that it may warn those who do wrong and bring good tidings for the righteous.” -Quran 46:12 That’s it.. this is Quran’s primary aim. now, I am going to answer your question. a person who kill people is wrongdoer for u, and why? because you think killing someone is bad.. and the killer would say, no it is not bad, it’s good. so here is a tie, none of you have upper hand, and this is the point where God sends Messenger towards People, when they were unable to make a clear decision. you may consider this condition as majority of people consider killing people is good and minority thinks it’s bad,, so nor democratically or by any means, you can’t stop killing Let me refer this condition is Quran.. كَانَ النَّاسُ أُمَّةً وَاحِدَةً فَبَعَثَ اللَّهُ النَّبِيِّينَ مُبَشِّرِينَ وَمُنذِرِينَ وَأَنزَلَ مَعَهُمُ الْكِتَابَ بِالْحَقِّ لِيَحْكُمَ بَيْنَ النَّاسِ فِيمَا اخْتَلَفُوا فِيهِ ۚ وَمَا اخْتَلَفَ فِيهِ إِلَّا الَّذِينَ أُوتُوهُ مِن بَعْدِ مَا جَاءَتْهُمُ الْبَيِّنَاتُ بَغْيًا بَيْنَهُمْ ۖ فَهَدَى اللَّهُ الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا لِمَا اخْتَلَفُوا فِيهِ مِنَ الْحَقِّ بِإِذْنِهِ ۗ وَاللَّهُ يَهْدِي مَن يَشَاءُ إِلَىٰ صِرَاطٍ مُّسْتَقِيمٍ people was one community. Then Allah raised prophets as deliverers of good news and as warners, and revealed to them the Scriptures in truth to judge among people regarding their disputes. And no one disputed the Scriptures except the very people who received them after clear proofs had come to them— out of jealousy . Then Allah, by His grace, has guided the believers to the truth regarding those disputes. And Allah guides whoever He wills to the Straight Path. -Quran 2:213 & وَمَا تَفَرَّقَ ٱلَّذِينَ أُوتُوا۟ ٱلْكِتَـٰبَ إِلَّا مِنۢ بَعْدِ مَا جَآءَتْهُمُ ٱلْبَيِّنَةُ Nor did those ˹people˺ who were given the Scripture become divided until after there had come to them clear evidence. -98:4 NOW I WANT YOU TO FOCUS ON WORD “OUT OF JEALOUSY.” Wrongdoers or killers were jealous of what?? they were jealous that now the people who consider ‘killing people for no reason’ bad, Have the upper hand that they received Book of God that challange us to refute it, and a messenger that have Noor with it, and clear evidences. And now we can’t have with them endless Debate that whether killing is good or bad and that we both are talking subjectively. Now, do u want to know what is the new TOPIC of Debate now? قُلْ فَأْتُوا بِكِتَابٍ مِّنْ عِندِ اللَّهِ هُوَ أَهْدَىٰ مِنْهُمَا أَتَّبِعْهُ إِن كُنتُمْ صَادِقِينَ Say, “Then bring a scripture from God which is more guiding than either of them that I may follow it, if you should be truthful.” -Quran 28:49 since those who think killing is bad Refer God with them with Ayats(signs) Here is your answer, the people who think that ‘killing people for no reason’ is ok, they Created their God to refer their speech to it, and to make a statement that ‘we have Divine Speech too’,,.. or they made their Some xyz relation to God and talked on Behalf of God. And with their Talkings that ‘kiling is good’ because their saying is from God too, hence now we again have a tie, and now again we can debate. But you know After this argument nothing remain anything as common between People,, God is only possibility which can unite all of the people.. and if they divided God too.. then there would not be any solution. And since those who Created false God claim that thier Gods will protect them eternally then go away with your God,, the Creator of universe would never pardon them for their Lie. Associating People with God is similar too, if someone say our government is cirtified by God, by only their mere saying then it is clearly association(shirk). and those who associate with God their speech is easily refutable, because their speech would contradict, and God cannot contradict. عَنْ جَابِرِ بْنِ عَبْدِ اللَّهِ، قَالَ كَانَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم إِذَا خَطَبَ احْمَرَّتْ عَيْنَاهُ وَعَلاَ صَوْتُهُ وَاشْتَدَّ غَضَبُهُ حَتَّى كَأَنَّهُ مُنْذِرُ جَيْشٍ يَقُولُ ‏”‏ صَبَّحَكُمْ وَمَسَّاكُمْ ‏”‏ ‏.‏ وَيَقُولُ ‏”‏ بُعِثْتُ أَنَا وَالسَّاعَةَ كَهَاتَيْنِ ‏”‏ ‏.‏ وَيَقْرُنُ بَيْنَ إِصْبَعَيْهِ السَّبَّابَةِ وَالْوُسْطَى وَيَقُولُ ‏”‏ أَمَّا بَعْدُ فَإِنَّ خَيْرَ الْحَدِيثِ كِتَابُ اللَّهِ وَخَيْرُ الْهُدَى هُدَى مُحَمَّدٍ وَشَرُّ الأُمُورِ مُحْدَثَاتُهَا وَكُلُّ بِدْعَةٍ ضَلاَلَةٌ ‏”‏ ‏.‏ ثُمَّ يَقُولُ ‏”‏ أَنَا أَوْلَى بِكُلِّ مُؤْمِنٍ مِنْ نَفْسِهِ مَنْ تَرَكَ مَالاً فَلأَهْلِهِ وَمَنْ تَرَكَ دَيْنًا أَوْ ضَيَاعًا فَإِلَىَّ وَعَلَىَّ ‏” ‏ ‏.‏ Jabir b. Abdullah said: When Allah’s Messenger (may peace he upon him) delivered the sermon, his eyes became red, his voice rose, and his anger increased so that he was like one giving a warning against the enemy and saying: “The enemy has made a morning attack on you and in the evening too.” He would also say: “The Last Hour and I have been sent like these two.” And he would join his forefinger and middle finger; and would further say: “The best of the speech is embodied in the Book of Allah, and the best of the guidance is the guidance given by Muhammad. And the most evil affairs are their innovations; and every innovation is error.” He would further say:, I am more dear to a Mumin (Believer) even than his self; and he who left behind property that is for his family; and he who dies under debt or leaves children (in helplessness), the responsibility (of paying his debt and bringing up his children) lies on me.” -Sahih Muslim : 867a so did u understood Associating with God comes into play when u literally associate your xyz creation or words with God. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ btw some words more,, if u can understand from below Words of Quran then it’s ok.. الَّذِينَ آتَيْنَاهُمُ الْكِتَابَ مِن قَبْلِهِ هُم بِهِ يُؤْمِنُونَ ‎﴿٥٢﴾‏ وَإِذَا يُتْلَىٰ عَلَيْهِمْ قَالُوا آمَنَّا بِهِ إِنَّهُ الْحَقُّ مِن رَّبِّنَا إِنَّا كُنَّا مِن قَبْلِهِ مُسْلِمِينَ Those to whom We gave the Scripture before it – they are believers in it. And when it is recited to them, they say, “We have believed in it; indeed, it is the truth from our Lord. Indeed we were, [even] before it, Muslims [submitting to Allah].” -Quran 28:52 إِنَّ اللَّهَ لَا يَهْدِي الْقَوْمَ الظَّالِمِينَ Indeed, God does not guide the wrongdoing people. -Quran 28:50 وَنُنَزِّلُ مِنَ ٱلْقُرْءَانِ مَا هُوَ شِفَآءٌ وَرَحْمَةٌ لِّلْمُؤْمِنِينَ ۙ وَلَا يَزِيدُ ٱلظَّـٰلِمِينَ إِلَّا خَسَارًا We send down the Quran as a healing and mercy for the believers, but it only increases the wrongdoers in loss. -Quran 17:82 So no Killers become believer, but what God wills. So After the Scripture People became divided,, there then Became two kind of people who is Muslim(submitted to God, and following truth), and Who is Kafir(those who were hiding truth). And God knows best who is kafir and who is Muslim all Account is with him. we don’t know Sir you should read Surah Bayyinah to Clearly understand And if the person thinks that he is truthful that what he believes is truth and doesn’t hide anything, then.. قَالَ اللَّهُ هَٰذَا يَوْمُ يَنفَعُ الصَّادِقِينَ صِدْقُهُمْ ۚ لَهُمْ جَنَّاتٌ تَجْرِي مِن تَحْتِهَا الْأَنْهَارُ خَالِدِينَ فِيهَا أَبَدًا ۚ رَّضِيَ اللَّهُ عَنْهُمْ وَرَضُوا عَنْهُ ۚ ذَٰلِكَ الْفَوْزُ الْعَظِيمُ Allah will say, “This is the Day when the truthful will benefit from their truthfulness.” For them are gardens [in Paradise] beneath which rivers flow, wherein they will abide forever, Allah being pleased with them, and they with Him. That is the great attainment. -Quran 5:119 Salam..