Studying Atheism
Thank you brother Faisal for such a clear perspective I want to share how I feel about this 1. Atheism is just like how Greek philosophy was hundreds of yrs ago. Completely overtaking the ideology of Islam. Muslims and other religion’s followers r more and more apologetic and trying to prove atheistic values under the guise of “universal” or “human” values 2. Atheism is getting validity from physical sciences, social sciences, psychology, and projected as the “savior of human race” ideology from most if not all media platforms 3. Free will and consciousness are proven as nothing but illusion using modern scientific methods in neuroscience 4. If science can only prove matter and not metaphysical realities then religion also can not prove it either but claims to know it. The point is that the evidence for metaphysical has to come from the physical world. There’s no historical evidence for Joseph AS in Egyptology, historical/archeological evidence doesn’t prove Moses AS, the relics in Topkapi never been carbon dated for accurate time line etc 5. For Islam, same story, we can say that Muhammad SAW was a real person all we want but the truth is that there’s no “scientific” and reproducible evidence for his existence. 6. We have Quran, off course, the arguments Quran put forward r not understood using human agents of reason (logic, philosophy, scientific method) although Quran keeps asking to ponder over previous nations even then no efforts were made to excavate Aad, Thamud similar to, for e.g. City of Pompeii. Linguistic miracle of Quran is not relevant in today’s age I am not saying there r no reasons to believe Islam is true but they have to be presented in the language of the day My aim is to read and understand atheistic ideology deeply. My hope is that, insha Allah, reading of Quran might open doors of understanding to refute atheistic belief system that does not require a “believers heart” but an objective mind. Study is primarily for myself and my children. I’ll get the four horsemen book insha Allah. Thanks again for your suggestions
Following comments of Ghamidi Sahab might also be helpful: Please refer to the video below from 1:39:18 to 1:46:37 https://youtu.be/bb2vgzcWFgM?t=5958
Your analogy is God of gaps analogy. Whatever verifiable data can not be explained, put God there. This would work of any god of any religion or belief system You keep using sanity check and ladder of inference, first is used in mathematics to check if a calculation is right and the second is to describe a way human brain thinks, unconsciously , to derive conclusions and they r often false. First can not be used to prove metaphysical truths and second one can not be used to define conscious thinking or reasoning although some mind coaches try to teach it in that way. Point is, in sanity check there’s a calculation to verify and doesn’t assume anything, ladder of inference requires one to interpret a reality followed by assuming another reality and then do an action based on the “assumed reality” May be you r using them in a different way and that may be thats the reason i am unable to get my point across We already discussed reason and logic, u take out observational data and you r left with things like telepathy palmistry etc What is truth, different discussion altogether