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THE SECOND MEETING OF THE THIRD SESSION OF THE TWELFTH PARLIAMENT WEDNESDAY 09 MARCH 2022 MIXED VERSION HANSARD NO: 205 THE NATIONAL ASSEMBLY SPEAKER The Hon.

Phandu T. C. Skelemani PH, MP.

DEPUTY SPEAKER Hon.

P. P. P. Moatlhodi, MP.

(Tonota) Clerk of the National Assembly Deputy Clerk of the National Assembly Acting Learned Parliamentary Counsel Assistant Clerk (E) His Excellency Dr M. E. K. Masisi, MP.

His Honour S. Tsogwane, MP.


(Boteti West) CABINET - President - Vice President - Ms B. N. Dithapo - Mr L. T. Gaolaolwe - Advocate L. O. Tlhowe - Mr R. Josiah Hon.

K. N. S. Morwaeng, MP.

(Molepolole South) - Minister for Presidential Affairs, Governance and Public Administration Hon.

K. T. Mmusi, MP.

(Gabane-Mmankgodi) - Minister of Defence, Justice and Security Hon.

Dr L. Kwape, MP.

(Kanye South) - Minister of International Affairs and Cooperation Hon.

K. K. Autlwetse, MP.


(Specially Elected) - Minister of Local Government and Rural Development Hon.

K. S. Gare, MP.

(Moshupa-Manyana) - Minister of Agricultural Development and Food Security Hon.

P. K. Kereng, MP.

(Specially Elected) - Minister of Environment, Natural Resources Conservation and Tourism Hon.

Dr E. G. Dikoloti MP.

(Mmathethe-Molapowabojang) - Minister of Health and Wellness Hon.

T.M.

Segokgo, MP.

(Tlokweng) - Minister of Transport and Communications Hon.

K. Mzwinila, MP.
K. Mzwinila, MP.

(Specially Elected) - Minister of Land Management, Water and Sanitation Services Hon.

T. M. Rakgare, MP.

(Mogoditshane) - Minister of Youth Empowerment, Sport and Culture Development Hon.

A. M. Mokgethi, MP.

(Gaborone Bonnington North) - Minister of Nationality, Immigration and Gender Affairs Hon.

P. O. Serame, MP.

(Specially Elected) - Minister of Finance and Economic Development Hon.

F. M. M. Molao, MP.

(Shashe West) - Minister of Basic Education Hon.

Dr D. Letsholathebe, MP.


(Tati East) Hon.

L. M. Moagi, MP.

(Ramotswa) - Minister of Tertiary Education, Research, Science and Technology - Minister of Mineral Resources, Green Technology and Energy Security Hon.

M. Kgafela, MP.

(Mochudi West) - Minister of Investment, Trade and Industry Hon.

M. R. Shamukuni, MP.

(Chobe) - Minister of Employment, Labour Productivity and Skills Development Hon.

E. M. Molale, MP.

(Goodhope-Mabule) - Minister of Infrastructure and Housing Development Hon.
D. M. Mthimkhulu, MP.

(Gaborone South) - Assistant Minister, Presidential Affairs, Governance and Public Administration Hon.

S. N. Modukanele, MP.

(Lerala -Maunatlala) Hon.

T. Monnakgotla, MP.

(Kgalagadi North) Hon.

M. M. Pule, MP.

(Mochudi East) Hon.

M. S. Molebatsi, MP.


(Mmadinare) - Assistant Minister, Local Government and Rural Development - Assistant Minister, Local Government and Rural Development - Assistant Minister, Local Government and Rural Development - Assistant Minister, Agricultural Development and Food Security Hon.

S. Lelatisitswe, MP.

(Boteti East) - Assistant Minister, Health and Wellness Hon.

N. W. T. Makwinja, MP.

(Lentsweletau-Mmopane) - Assistant Minister, Basic Education Hon.

B. Manake, MP.
B. Manake, MP.

(Specially Elected) - Assistant Minister, Investment, Trade and Industry Hon.

H. B. Billy, MP.

(Francistown East) Hon.

A. Lesaso, MP.

(Shoshong) - Assistant Minister, Youth Empowerment, Sport and Culture Development - Assistant Minister,Tertiary Education, Research, Science and Technology MEMBERS OF PARLIAMENT AND THEIR CONSTITUENCIES Names Constituency Hon.

L. Kablay, MP.

(Government Whip) Letlhakeng-Lephephe RULING PARTY (Botswana Democratic Party) Hon.

Dr U. Dow, MP.

Hon.


P. Majaga, MP.

Hon.

M. Balopi, MP.

Hon.

J. S. Brooks, MP.

Hon.

C. Greeff, MP.

Hon.

T. Letsholo, MP.

Hon.

T. F. Leuwe, MP.

Hon.

T. Mangwegape-Healy, MP.

Hon.

Dr T. Matsheka, MP.

Hon.

S. N. Moabi, MP.

Hon.

P. K. Motaosane, MP.

Hon.

O. Regoeng, MP.

Hon.

J. L. Thiite, MP.


Specially Elected Nata-Gweta Gaborone North Kgalagadi South Gaborone Bonnington South Kanye North Takatokwane Gaborone Central Lobatse Tati West Thamaga-Kumakwane Molepolole North Ghanzi North OPPOSITION (Umbrella for Democratic Change) Hon.

D. Saleshando, MP.

(Leader of the Opposition) Hon.

M. G. J. Motsamai, MP.


(Opposition Whip) Maun West Ghanzi South Selebi Phikwe West Mahalapye East Sefhare-Ramokgonami Ngami Okavango Maun East Bobonong Selebi Phikwe East Palapye Nkange Mahalapye West Francistown West Hon.

D. L. Keorapetse, MP.

Hon.

Y. Boko, MP.

Hon.

Dr K. Gobotswang, MP.

Hon.

C. K. Hikuama, MP.

Hon.

K. K. Kapinga, MP Hon.

G. Kekgonegile, MP.

Hon.

T. B. Lucas, MP.

Hon.

K. Nkawana, MP.

Hon.

O. Ramogapi, MP.

Hon.

Dr N. Tshabang, MP.

Hon.

D. Tshere, MP.

Hon.


M. I. Moswaane, MP.

Hon.

T. S. Khama, MP.

Hon.

L. Lesedi, MP.

Hon.

B. Mathoothe, MP.

Hon.

M. Reatile, MP.

(Botswana Patriotic Front) Serowe West Serowe South Serowe North Jwaneng-Mabutsane Hon.

W. B. Mmolotsi, MP.
W. B. Mmolotsi, MP.

Francistown South (Alliance for Progressives) TABLE OF CONTENTS THE SECOND MEETING OF THE THIRD SESSION OF THE TWELFTH PARLIAMENT WEDNESDAY 9TH MARCH, 2022 CONTENTS PAGE (S) QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER...................................................................................................................1-8 APPROPRIATION (2022/2023) BILL, 2022 (NO.
2 OF 2022) COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY Organisation 1100 – Ministry of Health and Wellness (Resumed Debate).............................................................................................................................................9-28 Organisation 1500 - Ministry of International Affairs and Cooperation..............................................................29-41 Wednesday 9th March, 2022 THE ASSEMBLY met at 2:00 p.m. (THE SPEAKER in the Chair) P R A Y E R S **** QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER BRUTALITY CASES BY BOTSWANA POLICE, SSG OR BDF MR O. RAMOGAPI (PALAPYE): Asked the Minister of Defence, Justice and Security to apprise this Honourable House on the reported cases or cases under investigation on brutality by the Botswana Police Service, Special Support Group (SSG) or Botswana Defence Force (BDF) against the public countrywide ever since the commencement of the State of Emergency to date, stating the following: (i) the total number per constituency and the discipline force involved; (ii) action taken per case and if none, why not; (iii) the turnaround time to investigate the matter and conclude; (iv) if the police has bought some equipment for torturing purposes in order to extract information from suspects; and (v) what action is taken where a disciplined officer is found in possession or using unauthorised equipment during patrol such as a sjambok.
MINISTER OF DEFENCE, JUSTICE AND SECURITY (MR MMUSI): Mma ke go leboge Mr Speaker, ke bo ke lebogele Honourable Ramogapi ka potso ya gagwe.

Mr Speaker, the Botswana Police Service has not recorded any case of brutality by members of the Botswana Police Service (BPS), Special Support Group (SSG) or Botswana Defence Force (BDF) ever since the commencement of State of Emergency to date.
Honourable Members will recall that during operations to support the fight against COVID-19, law enforcement agencies received accolades of professional behaviour as it was seen on social media platforms.

However, despite the accolades, there are cases where civilians complained of alleged ill-treatment by the disciplined forces.

The Botswana Police Service has carried out investigations following allegations of assault against some members of both the BPS and BDF.
Mr Speaker, the total number of such cases per constituency is 13 and they are as follows: (a) Tlokweng – (two), officers were convicted before disciplinary board on the 17th July 2020 and 17th November 2021 respectively.

(b) Lobatse – (two), reconciliation promoted before the court in both cases on the 26th May 2021.

(c) Mochudi West - matter scheduled for mention on the 11th March 2022 before a disciplinary board.
(d) Mogoditshane – (one), case is continuing before a disciplinary board on the 17th March 2022.

(e) Selebi Phikwe East - officers were acquitted and discharged before a disciplinary board on the 26th January 2022.

(f) Bobonong - officers were acquitted and discharged before a disciplinary board on the 5th February 2021.

(g) Nkange - the case is still under investigation.

(h) Kgalagadi North - the case is still under investigation.

(i) Thamaga - the case is still under investigation.
(j) Letlhakane – one case, officers were acquitted and discharged before a disciplinary board.

(k) Sojwe - one case, investigations were conducted and revealed, no case to answer by the officers.

It has to be noted that we cannot segregate the above cases by agencies since all were involved in support of police operations.
Mr Speaker, law enforcement agencies follow prescribed professional ethics enshrined within the various applicable Acts and standard operating procedures as well as rules of engagement.

This is evidenced by action taken against the accused officers as I have already alluded.

Depending on the complexity of the matter, the turnaround time for investigating these matters is usually a minimum of two weeks.
1 Hansard No 205Wednesday 9th March, 2022QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER The Botswana Police Service is not aware of any equipment used for torture and did not procure any such equipment during the State of Emergency.

Mr Speaker, no cases of unauthorised piece of equipment by any law enforcement officers have been recorded.

I thank you Mr Speaker.

MR RAMOGAPI: Supplementary.

Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

Ke go leboga ka karabo ya gago Honourable Mmusi.


Ke batla go go botsa Tona gore a mme tota fa o lebeletse dipalo tse e leng gore mapodise ba a itlhotlhomisa, fa ba sena go nna ba itlhotlhomisa ba bo ba ikgolola gore a tota o bona go le fair gore ba itlhotlhomise, fa ba sena go nna ba itlhotlhomisa ba bo ba itshekisa e nna prosecutors, go tsweng foo gape e bo e nna bo Judge?

A o bona kgang e e le fair Mr Minister, ka gore bontsi jwa cases tsa bone e bile ba intshitse discharge?
Ke gore le fa e ka tswa e le gore motho yoo ga se ene yo o dirileng molato Honourable Minister, kana kgang ke gore ke mapodise botlhe.

Fa ba itlhotlhomisa ba bo ba ikatlhola, ke mo gotweng yo mongwe o tlaa scratch yo mongwe at the back, yo mongwe le ene a scratch yo mongwe at the back.

Kgang eo o e bona e ntse jang?


Potso ya bobedi Honourable Minister, ke re ke go botse gore a mme o a itse ka Motion that was adopted by Palamente o o neng o tla ka Rre Modubule a bitsa gore a go nne le lekalana le le ikemetseng le le tlaabong le sekaseka dikgang tse?

A o itse ka Motion oo gore go nne le lekalana le le ikemetseng?

Fa o itse rra, wa reng ka se?

Motion o o ya go diragadiwa leng ka gore o ka thusa mo selelong sa batho?
Ya boraro, mo dikgannyeng tse di neng di begiwa, rraetsho, ga ke a utlwa o bua ka kgang ya Palapye, ga ke itse gore o e isitse kae, e go neng go tshwerwe Rraetsho Justice Motlhabani, yo a ileng a ikuela gore, “ke ne ka bogisiwa fela mo go botlhoko” ka malatsi ao.

O ne a tshwerwe mo Palapye, mme a tsewa a isiwa kwa bo Gaborone.

O supile gore nnyaa o ne a betswa fela mo go botlhoko, a tsenngwa le mo dipampiring.
Ga ke a utlwa gape o bua ka case ya ngwana wa kwa Letlhakeng yo o ileng a betswa a le monnyennyane fela gotwe ba ka bo ba robetse, a bo a betswa fela thata, Letlhakeng – Lentsweletau, a betswa fela thata ngwana yoo, ba kgwathisiwa ka fa morago ke mapodise.

Kgang eo bo Ramapodise ba a e itse.

Ke na le dinepe tsa teng rraetsho, ke ka go di neela.

Ga ke a utlwa o e bua.

Ke a go leboga Honourable Minister.

MR MMUSI: Thank you Mr Speaker.


Mr Speaker, ke tlhalosetse Mopalamente yo o tlotlegang gore kana tota mapodise are a disciplined force, ba na le ka fa ba berekang ka teng.

E bile Act ya bone e e teng gompieno ke yone e e ba letlang.

Ba ka tlhotlhomisa.

Ba na le ka fa ba tlhotlhomisang ka teng dikgetsi tse di ntseng jaana ba bo ba di sekisa ka gore ba na le melao e e ba tsamaisang.
Fela ke tsaya gore because of the discipline, ga ke dumele gore a ba ka nna le fa gotweng, “you scratch my back and I scratch your back.” E bile gape kana ba na le lephata la Internal Affairs Unit le le itebagantseng le dikgang tse di ntseng fela jalo tse jaaka ke ne ke mmontsha gore e rile ka dikana case e ne ya tsena mme go ne ga atlholwa jaana.

Ke dilo tse e leng gore they are very much above board.
Ga nke go direlwa sepe mo sephiring kana gotwe go a fitlhiwa, because tota lephata la sepodise ga le a tshwanela gore le ka kgotlelwa ke sepe se se maswe rraetsho.

Mma ke tsene mo dikgannyeng tse o neng o bua ka tsone.

Kgang ya ga Rre Justice Motlhabane e o neng o bua ka yone, e ne e se kwa mapodiseng ka fa ke gakologelwang ka teng.

Fa ke sa fose, o kare gongwe e ne e le kgang ya Directorate of Intelligence and Security (DIS), mme fela gone ga ke gakologelwe gore a o kile a tshwarwa ke mapodise.
Ya Letlhakane e ke nang le yone, ke itse gore mapodise were acquitted by disciplinary board ya bone, ke information e ke nang le yone Honourable Member.

I thank you.

MR RAMOGAPI: Ga o a araba ya Motion wa ga Modubule.

MR MMUSI: Ehe rra, kgang ya Motion wa ga Rre Modubule e teng rraetsho.

Re santse re ntse re e sekaseka.

Ke kgang e re e itseng, re a e sekaseka.

Re santse re lebeletse gore re ka e bereka jang, mme yone e teng, re tlaa nna re ntse re e tsweletsa to implement se e se kaileng rraetsho.
Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

MR LUCAS: Supplementary.

Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.


Ke a utlwa Tona gore e ya lekgotla le le ikemetseng la Independent…(inaudible)… Tribunal o kare ga o moko o thata mo go yone, mme ke ne ke re, fa motho gone mme a tsaya gore o kgokgontshitswe ke mapodise, mme e bile jaanong a bona gore o kare mapodise ga ba ka ke ba kgona go itebaganya le kgang ya gagwe sentle, ya gore mapodise a bo a sekisa a mangwe, tota dikgato tse motho yoo a tshwanetseng gore a di tseye ke dife fa ele gore that person is uncomfortable le mapodise ba itshekisa?
2 Hansard No 205Wednesday 9th March, 2022QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER Sa bobedi ke gore, go na le thulaganyo ya Legal Aid, a mme batho ba ba ka tswang ba na le ngongorego ya gore ga ba a tsewa sentle ke mapodise, a le bone ba na le tshwanelo ya go ka kopa thuso mo go ba Legal Aid?

Ya bofelo re utlwa gore ba Ombudsman, yo re ntseng re lela ka ene thata re re ga a na meno, gatwe go tlaa nna le lekalana la human rights.
A Batswana ba gololesegile gore mo lekalaneng la human rights, ba ba ikutlwang gore ba kgokgontshitswe ke mapodise, a le bone jaanong ba ka ikuela gone koo, kwa Ombudsman yo o okeditsweng maririni?

Ke a leboga.

MR MMUSI: Thank you Mr Speaker, thank you Honourable Lucas.

Rraetsho, ke dumela gore fa e le gore Motswana o dumela gore gongwe ga a itumelele ka fa go atlhotsweng ka teng kwa sepodiseng o ka ya kwa makgotlatshekelong, kana dilo tseo ke rights tsa Motswana mongwe le mongwe.
Le gone gape jaaka o bua, Legal Aid e lebeletse gore e thuse Motswana mongwe le mongwe yo o nang le kgetsi mme a sena ditsompelo kana madi a a ka kgonang gore a ye go hira Agente.

O ka tla kwa Legal Aid ba ka feta ba mo thusa, mme e bile jaaka o buile gore lekalana la ditshwanelo, rraetsho ke dumela gore lekalana la ditshwanelo le diretswe Motswana mongwe le mongwe, e bile le tlaa thusa Motswana mongwe le mongwe yo o tlaa yang kwa go lone.

Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.


SPEAKER MR supplementary Honourable Dr Gobotswang.

(MR SKELEMANI): Last DR GOBOTSWANG: Supplementary.

Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

Honourable Minister, kana kgang e ya Motion wa ga Rre Modubule ke ya 2011.

Tona wa nako eo Rre Batshu o ne a supa gore ba ya go leka go kwatabolotsa dilo makwati kwa mafatsheng a mangwe, kwa bo Namibia, Lesotho le South Africa, gore ba tle ba tsepamise molao wa bone mo go tsone.
Ke batla go itse gore, a mme benchmarking ya go ya go ithuta gone moo, a go ne ga diragala?

Jaanong wa re le santse le sekaseka morago ga dingwaga tse di fetang lesome.

Sentlentle wa re le sekaseka eng?

Gone jaana le dira eng to be specific, are you committed, a mme le tsepame mo goreng le batla gore go nne le lekgotla le le ikemetseng le le ka sekasekang dingongorego tsa batho mabapi le ka fa mapodise mangwe ba ka bong ba dira ya bone ka teng?
Sentlentle wa re le dira eng, a mme le santse le le mo maikaelelong a gore lekgotla le le nne teng Honourable Minister?

MR MMUSI: Thank you Mr Speaker.

Rraetsho re mo maikaelelong, mme e bile se ke ka se ka yang ke gore, research e ntse e dirwa ke gone e neng e wediwa go dira lekgotlana le la Independent Tribunal.

Tota research e dirilwe, jaanong kana re tshwanetse go baakanya madi gore re kgone go baakanya office e. Ke dilo dingwe tse re mo go tsone.
Ke sone ke lekang go se tlhalosa, gore research re e dirile gore re bone gore re ka dira jang lephata le, jaanong re santse re le batlela madi rraetsho.

Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.
DIS OPERATIONS MR D. SALESHANDO (MAUN WEST): asked the Minister of Finance and Economic Development if she is aware of any public tenders that were duly awarded by the Public Procurement and Asset Disposal Board (PPADB) but reversed through the intervention of the Directorate of Intelligence and Security Services (DISS); if the answer is in the affirmative, she should state: (i) the full list of tenders that were affected; (ii) the provisions in the procurement laws that allow for the DISS to determine award of tenders; and (iii) if the DISS has ever directed for any company not to be allocated tenders and what safeguards are in place to protect businesses against possible abuse by the DISS.
ACTING MINISTER OF FINANCE AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT (MR SEGOKGO): Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

Tona o kopile gore ke mo arabele potso.

Mr Speaker, I am aware of some public tenders awarded by the Public Procurement and Asset Disposal Board (PPADB) and were reversed upon advice by the Directorate of Intelligence Services (DIS).

(i) Mr Speaker, to respond to the specific question raised by the Honourable Member, there are two tenders awarded by PPADB over the past four years where there was intervention by DIS.
These are; • Maun Water Supply and Sanitation which entailed the design supply and billed of water distribution network sanitation reticulation, telemetry and … (inaudible)… other associated works in Maun.
• China Jiangsu International was awarded the tender by the PPADB Board on the 11th of October 2018 at a tender sum of P1 568 877 164.38 the second award; the award was later revoked and the tender awarded to the second lowest bidder Zhengtai Group Botswana on the 21st of March, 2019 at a tender amount of P1 873 965 187.72.
The reasons for revocation 3 Hansard No 205Wednesday 9th March, 2022QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER was that DIS had indicated that had indicated that their investigations had shown that China Jiangsu International was involved in activities that were rendered to be posing a threat to national security.

Following DIS’s advice, the tender was awarded to the second lowest bidder Zhengtai Group Botswana on the 21 March, 2019.

The project commenced on the 9th of October, 2019 and is still ongoing.
The second Mr Speaker, was a proposed primary hospital and associated external works and services at Moshupa.

This was an open tender where the evaluation report showed that there China Jiangsu International Botswana ranked first at a bid of P409 898 925.08.

While Zhengtai Group Botswana and Whitacon Joint Venture bid at P418 932 846.86 and ranked second.

The procuring entity had recommended China Jiangsu for award as the lowest compliant bidder.
However, taking into consideration advice rendered to the procuring entity and the board by DIS that China Jiangsu was involved in activities that were considered to be a threat to national security, the procuring entity changed their recommendation to instead award Zhengtai Group Botswana and Whitacon Joint Venture.
The board had its meeting of the 18th of April, 2019 approved award of tender to Zhengtai Group Botswana and Whitacon Joint Venture for P418, 932, 046.86 for contract duration of 30 calendar months.

The project commenced on the 20th of September, 2018 and is still ongoing.

(ii) There is no provision in the PPADB Act that allows for DIS to determine award of tenders, Section 53.1 provides for complaints by various stakeholders in respect of any party to procurement or disposal activity.
Furthermore, Section 53.2 provides for oversight agencies such as DISS to undertake an inquiry into an alleged or actual breach of the procurement or disposal process and advised the PPADB accordingly.

(iii) The DIS has never directed any company to be allocated tenders.
In line with their mandate, they have shared information with the Board in relation to Maun Water Works and the Moshupa Hospital projects about China Jiangsu being a threat to national security which the Board considered when making its decision.

The PPADB Act and its regulation provides safeguards against possible abuse.

I thank you Mr Speaker.

MR SALESHANDO: Supplementary.


Mr Speaker, ke ne ke re ke supegetse Tona gore go na le fa e seng boammaaruri mo karabong ya gagwe fa (iii), if the DIS has ever directed for any company not to be allocated tenders.

Ke tshotse bosupi jwa savingrams tse di tswang kwa Director General of the DIS, a laela bo Permanent Secretaries (PSs) bangwe gore, “we advise your ministry to terminate all deals you have with the above companies due to security reasons.” A bo a sa bue gore security reasons ke dife.
Now that you know gore se o se buileng ga se boammaaruri, a ga se go tshwenye gore ba dira jalo; ba a laela gore terminate.

Number two; yone kompone e go neng gotwe is a threat to national security, e tseetswe dikgato dife?

A e kile ya sekisiwa?

A re bua jaana e le teng mo Botswana e tsweletse?

Seemo sa yone ke eng?


Then the last one; a o a lemoga gore because of DIS, mo dikonterakeng tse pedi tse o di buileng, re tswa go felela re duela madi a kana ka P12 million go feta a tender e neng a abilwe ka yone?

A se se a go kgotsofatsa gore DIS e ka ntsha mekwalo e le mebedi which are at a cost of P12 million to the taxpayer, le bo le sa bone sepe se tlhokafala gore le ye go tlhotlhomisa gore go ne go tsamaile jang gore re latlhegelwe ke P12 million ka DIS?

Ke kopa dikarabo.
Ke kopa dikarabo.

MR SEGOKGO: Mr Speaker, ga ke itse gore a o ne o mpiditse; ke ne ke utlwa modumo fela.

MR SPEAKER: Yes Minister.

MR SEGOKGO: Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

Mr Speaker, tla ke simolole mo go e ya bofelo e bile ya boraro ya gore a gone re kgotsofalela gore Goromente a bo a latlhegetswe ke madi kana re duetse madi a a fa godimonyana ka mabaka a kgakololo eo?
Nnyaa, kana Goromente ga a ka ke a itumelela madi a a tswang mo go ene fela fa re ka bo re ne re kgonne go duela sentle ditiro tse ka madi a a neng a le fa tlase.

Se se teng ke batla ke riana ke re gore a go ne ga tseelwa China Jiangsu dikgato, ga ke na karabo ya gore a ba di tseetswe.

Se ke se itseng ke gore ba kile ba isa kgang ya bone kwa makgotlatshekelo mme a ne a ntsha ditaelo tse ba neng ba di ntsha.

Go fetseng go ntsha ditaelo tseo, ditiro kana ke jaaka ke supa gore tsone di tsweletse.
Ya ntlha e a supang gore o na le bosupi, kana ga ke a tshwara bosupi jo a reng o bo tshotse.

Jaanong o a mpolelela gore jaanong ke a itse; ga ke itse ka gore ga ke ise ke bone bosupi jo a buang ka jone.

Ka fa tlase ga molao, Lekgotla la DIS le tlisa bogakolodi fela, ga le kgone gore le ntshe ditaelo tse di laelang gore tender 4 Hansard No 205Wednesday 9th March, 2022QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER e e abelwe mang.

Ke tsaya gore Mr Speaker, ga ke a tshwara bosupi jo ene a reng o bo tshotse.
Ke kopa gore ke e wetse ka tsela e e ntseng jalo.

MR HIKUAMA: Supplementary.

Ke a leboga Honourable Speaker.

Tona, ke ne ke re ke go botse jaana gone mo go eo ya bosupi fela jwa DIS, gore fa e le gore wena wa re ga o na bosupi jo bo tswang DIS instructing gore o phimole, se o nang le sone se se tswang DIS ke kgakololo efe e e kwadilweng kae?

Ke potso ya ntlha gore o bone jang gore ba go gakolotse, o bone ka eng, ba tlisa eng?
Sa bobedi ke gore a lona fa le sena go fiwa dikgakololo ke ba DIS, ga le sekaseke le le boeteledipele jo bo okametseng dikompone go bona gore a mme kopo ya lona e e dirwang ke DIS e lebagane, ga e na go le tsenya mo mathateng?

Le diragatsa fela, ga le sekaseke la tsaya tshwetso le le batho ba le filweng boikarabelo jwa go tsaya ditshwetso mo lephateng leo?

Ke a leboga.

MR SEGOKGO: Ke a leboga Honourable Hikuama.


Mo potsong ya gago ya ntlha ke ne ke eletsa gore gongwe ke go tsenye mo seporong sa gore kana kgakololo rra, e isiwa kwa PPADB le kwa the procuring entity.

Ke bone ba kgakololo e e yang kwa go bone.

Mo dikgannyeng tse re buang ka tsone tse, ba ne ba gakolola gore kompone e go na le dingwe tse di ba supegetsang gore di botlhabetsi mo itshireletsong ya lefatshe.
Kana ka fa molao o o ntseng ka teng gape, bone ba DIS ga ba tlamege go supa botlhabetsi le bosupi joo.

Ke yone kgakololo e e neng ya tsena kwa PPADB le procuring entity gore kompone e e na le botlhabetsi jo bo ntseng jaana.

Ke jaaka o bona ke bua seo mo karabong ya me.

Rra, kana jaanong fa o fiwa kgakololo o ka e sala morago, o ka se ke wa e sala morago.
Maswabi ke gore gone ka fa go neng ga diragala ka teng, go raya gore go e sala morago ga tsala gore tenders tse e re di sena go abiwa, ga nna le kgang ya Kgotlatshekelo e e neng ya atlhola ka fa e neng ya atlhola ka teng mo dikgannyeng tseo.

Ke a leboga Honourable Member.


COURT CLERKS’ VACANT POSTS AT SENETE, MAKUTA AND SELOLWANE DIKGOTLA DR N. TSHABANG (NKANGE): asked the Minister of Local Government and Rural Development when he intends to permanently fill the vacant posts of Court Clerk at Senete, Makuta and Selolwane Dikgotla.

MINISTER LOCAL ASSISTANT GOVERNMENT AND RURAL DEVELOPMENT (MR PULE): Ke a leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisano tsa OF Palamente.
Ke a dumedisa this afternoon, ke bo ke leboga Dr Tshabang, Mopalamente wa Nkange for potso e a e boditseng.

Karabo ya me e tsamaya jaana; maemo a Clerk Assistant mo Dikgotlaneng tsa Headman of Arbitration, ke a e leng gore tota le rona mo metseng e a buileng ka yone ya Senete le Makuta, re bona a tlhokafala gore a ka nna teng.

Re le Lephata la Local Government, mo go se sebaka re mo mosepeleng wa go leka go bona gore re ka dira jang gore re batlele Kgotla ya Makuta maemo a Clerk Assistant.
Ga se Makuta fela, ke lefatshe ka bophara.

Mo lefatsheng lotlhe la Botswana, re tlhoka maemo a Clerk Assistant mo Dikgotleng di ka nna masome a mararo, Makuta e le mo teng.. Kwa Central District re tlhoka assistants di ka nna 11, kwa Kgalagadi - 4, Kweneng – 7; North East – 2; Southern District – 4; kwa North West - 1.
Mo kgaolong ya Makuta fa ke bua le wena jaana, re mo mosepeleng wa go leka go dira mo go tweng rationalisation of vacancies, ke gore re lebelela diphatlha dingwe tse di leng teng go bona gore a re ka se ka ra dira maemo one a a kwa Kgotleng ya Makuta gore re tle re kgone re hire motho.

Re solofela gore rationalisation process ya rona e gompieno e tsweletseng, re tlaa e fetsa ka kgwedi ya June mono ngwaga, ke gone gongwe re tlaa bong re simolola to fill posts tsa go nna jalo.
Kwa Senete, Kgotla ya Senete re ne ra e bonela mongwe ka transfer, yo o tlaa bo a report ka di 21st tsa kgwedi e re leng mo go yone e. Mo go se sebaka, Makuta e thusiwa ke Nshakashogwe, e e bokgakala jwa kilometres di le lesome le bone go tswa mo Makuta.

Re a itse re le lephata gore jaaka motlotlegi le ene a bua, tota it remains a challenge gore e bo e le gore re mo seemong se re leng mo go sone, se tota se sa dirweng ke gore gongwe re a rata, ke kgang ya gore ga go na madi a go dira posts tsa go nna jalo.
Mr Speaker, mo godimo ga moo, Selolwane ke Kgotla e mo Tutume, mme jaaka re itse gore e mo Tutume, e bile is headed ke Headman of Arbitration yo o neng a tsenngwa foo ka kgwedi ya March ka 2015, re dumela mo go reng mo go se sebakam tota ka gore Courts of Arbitration ga di ise di nne le gore di ka direlwa staff, bone ba Selolwane ba thusiwa ke ba Tutume Customary tsa Court.

Ke a Palamente.

leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo DR TSHABANG: Thank you Mr Speaker.
Honourable Minister, ke a utlwa gore wa re wa Senete o etla kgwedi yone e next week, and then ya Makuta shall continue to be vacant until June.

Jaanong ke batla go tlhaloganya 5 Hansard No 205Wednesday 9th March, 2022QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER gore a wa re ka June ke gone le tlaa bong le mo tlisa, kana le tlaabo le simolola process ya go baakanya structures tsa lona ka gore ga ke a go utlwa sentle gone foo?

So ke kopa gore o e tlhalose fela ka bophara, ke e utlwisise.

Thank you.
Thank you.

MR PULE: Gongwe ke a bo ke ne ke bua Sekgatla Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, legale ke a leboga.

Ke ne ke re, mo go se sebaka, kana ga re na post kwa Makuta, re leka go dira mo go tweng rationalisation of vacancies tse re nang le tsone mo dikgaolong tse tsa rona.

Re a itse gore thulaganyo e e leng teng ya puso mo go se sebaka ke gore goromente ga a create new posts, jaanong gore re nne le posts ke gore re tseye tse di vacant re di rationalise.
Mo go kutaganyeng gone moo, kana go leka to rationalise, ke gore ga ke itse lefoko la to rationalise ka Setswana gore le ntse jang, re tlaa tswa ka posts dingwe tse di tlaa tsenyang Makuta mo teng.

Jaanong process ya rona ya rationalisation ka fa re e beileng ka teng, re solofela e tlaa tswelela jalo ka gore ga re a lebelela Makuta fela, re lebeletse le dikgaolo tse dingwe tse ke buileng ka tsone ke re di 29, Makuta e le ya bo 30.
Re tlile go tswelela jalo go fitlhelela kgwedi ya June e re tlaa bong jaanong re simolola to fill posts lefatshe ka bophara ka gore ga se Makuta fela.

Ke a leboga.

MR MOTSAMAI: Ke a leboga Mr Speaker, nte ke go dumedise.

Ke botse Tona gore, kana golo fa go buiwa ka dikgang tse di amang lephata lele la Tribal le le saletseng kwa morago mo dikgannyeng tse di ntsi.
A ga o bone go tlhokafala fela gore le se ka la dira dikgang tsa lephata le matoditodi, le kgone gore le tsenelele kwa teng fela le batle motlhale fela o o tseneletseng wa to address mathata a lephata le rraetsho ka gore letsatsi le letsatsi re nneetse mathata a lone?
Labofelo ke gore, a mme rraetsho fa tiego ya gago le mmuso wa gago, ga le bone fa e le gore go diega mo ga lona le go laola, le tshwere Dikgosi ka letsogo la molema, in other words, le nyaditse Dikgosi, le tiro ya bone, ga le eme ka dinao la bona gore le address bothata jwa bone, mme e le bone ba ba neetseng mapolotiki dithata, ba ba ba tlhoma le land board le dikhansele rraetsho, o fitlhetse dilo ka bone?

Ke a leboga.

MR PULE: Ke a leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente.
Kana ke gore tsala ya me ene fa a bua, nako le nako o bua ka lenyatso, ga ke ise e re ke araba ka bua ka gore re nyaditse Dikgosi, ke tlhalositse gore re a lemoga gore go a tlhokafala gore maemo a a nne teng mo Dikgotlaneng tse re ntseng re bua ka tsone.

E bile ke dumalana ka bongwefela jwa pelo le Motlotlegi Motsamai gore Lephata la Tribal Administration le ntse le na le mathata a a tswang kgakala.
Kana re le Ministry of Local Government fa ke bua le lona jaana, re dira mo go tweng transformational plan, ya gore re bone gore maphata a a tshwanang le Tribal, re ka a godisa ka mokgwa o o ntseng jang.

Ke sone se gompieno ke ntseng ke go bolelela gore re a itse le mo mafelong a ke ntseng ke a bua a le 30, Makuta a le mo teng, ke mafelo a a tlhokanang le maemo a Clerk assistant.
Mo e leng gore tota fela le rona re e araba jaana because re ntse re le mo mosepeleng, ga se gore re ne re araba kana re bua jaana ka gore potso e ne e boditswe, re ntse re le mo mosepeleng wa go akanyetsa gore mme lephata le re ka le tlhabolola jang.

Jaanong e ya lenyatso ga ke e amogele, fa re ne re nyatsa, re ka bo re sa akanya gore re dire tiro ya go nna jaana.

Re ka bo re sa dire dilo tse di kanakana mo Lephateng la Tribal Administration.
Fa ke bua jaana, bontsi jwa makgotlana a rona a Setswana a na le di Wi-Fi.

Fa re ne re nyatsa, re ka bo re sa beye Magosi otlhe ba ba beilweng mo Dikgotleng tse di leng mo teng.

Jaanong ba bangwe dikonteraka tsa bone di a fela go tswa fa they are renewed.

Golo moo go supa gore ga re nyatse, re tsaya Magosi ka tlhoafalo.

Jaanong ga ke itse gore ya lenyatso o e tsaya kae motlotlegi.

Ke a leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente.
STAFFING AT THAMAGA PRIMARY HOSPITAL P. K. MOTAOSANE (THAMAGA- MR KUMAKWANE): asked the Minister of Health and Wellness: (i) to brief this Honourable House on the staffing situation at the Thamaga Primary Hospital; he should further state; (a) the ideal number of doctors required against the current number available; (b) the ideal number of nurses required and positions; (c) what he is doing to remedy the situation of shortage of staff in all cadres; and (ii) what happened to the Emergency and Accident project that was supposed to be done at the hospital in 2017 including the 13 staff houses that were promised as part of the project.
6 Hansard No 205Wednesday 9th March, 2022QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER ASSISTANT MINISTER OF HEALTH AND WELLNESS (MR LELATISITSWE): Thank you so much Mr Speaker.
(i) Ke supe gore kwa sepateleng se sa Thamaga Primary Hospital re na le babereki botlhe fela ba le 146; • seven – doctors, • 59 – nurses, • 10 – drivers, • 2 - social workers, • 13 – cleaners, • 4 – dental officers, • 14 –auxiliary, • 1 – Medical Maintenance Engineer, • 8 – Pharmacy Officers, • 2 – Mortuary Attendants, • 1 – Environmental Health Officer, • 8 – Hospital Orderlies, • 1 – Switchboard Operator, • 2 – Storekeepers, • 1 - Procurement Officer, • 5 – Laboratory Officers, • 1 – Radiographers, • 1 – Catering Officer, • 1 – cook and • 3 – kitchen hands.
(a) Numbers tsa bongaka tse di tlhokafalang mo sepateng se ke 10 against ba re nang le bone ba le seven, go tlhaela ba le bararo.

(b) Number e e tlhokagalang ya bonnese gore sepatela se ba lekane is 86 gona le ba re nang le bone ba le 59.

The hospital e na le; • 4 vacant posts; • 1 Principal Nursing Officer at D2 level, • 1 Principal Nursing Officer Superintendent at D3 level and II or Nursing • 2 Senior Nursing Officer or Chief Registered Nurse at D4 level.
Lephata le simolotse go bona gore le ka kaba diphatlha tsone tse kwa sepateleng se with a Senior Nursing Officer or Chief Registered Nurse position, mme di tladitswe, mme kana rre wa teng o emetse jalo gore a tle to report.

Tse dingwe re ntse re tsweletse jalo, re ipaakanyetsa gore le tsone re bone gore ba ba tlhokafalang at D2 level ba tle kwa sepateleng sone se Mr Speaker.
Fa re tsena mo dikgannyeng tsa dingaka, lephata Mr Speaker, go a supafala gore go na le tatlhegelo ya dingaka di ya kwa mafulong a matalana, lefatshe le lotlhe la Botswana.

Ke gone mo e leng gore lephata le na le a consultant who was hired, yo o lebeletseng dikatso tsa badiredi ba botsogo fela tsotlhe go bona gore di ka tokafadiwa jang gore re kgone go ba rua mo dipateleng tsa rona.

Construction of Thamaga Primary Hospital Accident and Emergency was proposed under the National Development Plan (NDP) 11.
However, the project was not exhibited due to budgetary constraints.

Mme re supe jalo gore lephata le tsweletse, we are reviewing the project to be prioritise under NDP 12 and Thamaga Hospital Accident and Emergency Wing is among the list of the projects to be considered.

Kwa bofelong, ga bo go laola madi a re a fiwang ke Palamente gore a tsone tse di mo NDP 12 di tlaa diragala.

Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

MR MOTAOSANE: Supplementary.

Thank you Mr Speaker.


Minister, you have left potso ya bofelo e e buang ka matlo, the staff houses which were supposed to be 13 and you built only four.

Minister, gape wa re go na le dingaka di le seven kwa Thamaga Primary Hospital, di fa kae ne Mongwato wa gaetsho, ke sa di itse di le seven kwa sepateleng sa Thamaga?

Can you tell us the exact number of the doctors tse di leng teng kwa primary hospital ya Thamaga ka gore tse o buang ka tsone tse, except the ideal of 10, o bua gore re na le seven.
Nnyaa, a ko o bue nnete.

Ya bofelo e nngwe potso ya gore baoki ba, o a bona gore go supafala go na le shortage ya baoki ba le 27 according to ka fa o neng o araba potso e ka teng.

A mme gone moo, o bona go siame fela Tona gore batho 7 Hansard No 205Wednesday 9th March, 2022QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER ba, shortage ya batho ba le 27, e ka kgontsha baoki gore ba dire tiro ya bone efficiently and effectively?
Sekai, ke gore everyday fa o tsena kwa sepateleng sa Thamaga, batho ba tsena fale ka bo 5 o’clock, mme ba ya go tswa fale ka bo 8 o’clock bosigo, e le gore bodiredi ga bo yo.

Situation e, wa reng ka yone?

Are you happy ka dikgang tse di ntseng jaana, fa e le gore le a lemoga gore go na le shortage e e kanakana?

Thank you sir.

MR LELATISITSWE: Thank you so much Honourable Member.
Number ya dingaka ke ne ke e fiwa ke bone ba District Health Management Team (DHMT) gone kwa Thamaga, gore go na le dingaka tse supa, mme legale ke tsaya gore jalo le yone...(Interruptions)…ke tlaa leka go e confirm.

Ke ne ke tsaya jalo gore ba mphile boammaaruri jo bo leng teng ka koo.

Fa re tsena mo palong ya baoki, tota go boammaaruri gore tlhaelo e, e kwa godimo gore batho ba bo ba tlhaela ba le over 20.
Ke palo e e kwa godimo thata, mme ke sone se ke neng ke supa jalo gore re a leka gore re kgone go kaba diphatha tse, re kgone go baakanya seemo seo.

Ke dumela gore ke dingwe tse re tlaa di lebelelang rraetsho, go bona gore re ka di baakanya ka tsela e e ntseng jang.

Mme fela ke amogela gore tlhaelo ya baoki e kwa godimo thata gore go bo go na le gap ya about 20 posts.

MR MOTAOSANE: Last supplementary Mr Speaker.

Honourable Minister, ga ke go utlwe.


Kana o ganeletse mo goreng 20, I was talking about 27 number in difference and o a itse gore sepatela se ke sone referral ya almost dikgaolwana tse di tshwanang le bo Mmankgodi, Kumakwane le kae.

Gone jaana Kumakwane, o gana gore e bereke 24 hours and batho are referred kwa Thamaga Primary Hospital.
Mmankgodi e refer kwa Thamaga Primary Hospital and all the clinics tse di leng mo tikologong ya sepatela sa kwa gaThamaga, go tswa kwa Gakgatla, Kubung, Lesilakgokong le Kotolaname.

Wa re ka shortage e e kanakana ya number 27, o bereka jang?

Are you aware that go na le bana ba ba leng mo mebileng ba baoki ba e leng gore ga ba ise ba hirwe as we speak?

Mathata a lona ke eng?

A le tlhoka baoki ka gore ga ba yo ba le ba hirang (recruit) kana ga le batle go hira ba ba leng teng mo seterateng as we speak?
Even retired nurses, ke le kopile gore le tseye retired midwives, le ba ise kwa Kumakwane, go a pala.

How are we going to solve this problem Honourable Minister?

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Mathata ke Domkrag.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: A ko o tlogele boparo wena Ramogapi.

MR LELATISITSWE: Thank you so much Mr Speaker.


Ke ne ke re ke utlwile rraetsho ...(Inaudible)… e o re e supegeditseng gone fa mo potsong, re kopanele kgang e go bona gore re ka fokotsa, tota 20 ke dipalo tse di kwa godimo, fa o utlwa ke ne ke re over 20.

Le nna ke ne ke lemoga gore ke dipalo fela tse di kwa godimo thata.

E tlaare re tswa fa, re nne fa fatshe, re bone gore re ka tswala jang gap yone e. E a tshwenya fela thata, segolo jang e le sone sepatela se se kgobokanetsweng ke metse e o neng o e bua.
Rra, a re re ke utlwile, re tlaa kopana, re tlaa bona gore re ka dira phetogo fa go kgonegang teng fa kae.

MR SPEAKER: Time for questions is over.

Let us move on to Motions.

Clerk!

MR MOSWAANE: Procedure.

Thank you Mr Speaker.

Ke ne ke re Mr Speaker, ke tlhole tsamaiso gore a mme re mo tsamaisong golo mo Palamenteng mo, go lebega o kare sengwe fela se se sa siamang se a diragala mo dipotsong tsa rona.

Re bagologolo, re na le dipotso tse re saleng re di tsentse the whole of last year.
Go na le bo Minister ba ba sha ba ba nang le kgwedi, mme dipotso tsa bone di a tlhatlagana, rona fa e sale re nna le dipotso tse di bo 100, ga di tsene.

Ga ke itse gore golo mo go bakwa ke eng?

SPEAKER: ...(Inaudible)… Honourable MR Moswaane, go bakwa ke lona.

Mongwe le mongwe wa lona fa motho a botsa potso, o batla go botsa di le 100 tsa supplementary.

That eats on time...(Inaudible)… MR MOSWAANE: Nnyaa, tsa bo Minister ba basha, di tsena jang ba na le kgwedi, tsa rona di sa bolo go ema?
HONOURABLE MEMBER: O bolelela ruri.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Bo Minister ga ba na dipotso.

HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… HONOURABLE MEMBER: O raya tsa ga Dr Matsheka le Honourable Balopi.

MR SPEAKER: …(Laughter!

)… Le ye go bona Mr Nfila, he will fill you in how questions are processed.

8 Hansard No 205Wednesday 9th March, 2022QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER ASSEMBLY IN COMMITTEE (CHAIRPERSON in the Chair) APPROPRIATION (2022/2023) BILL, 2022 (NO.
2 OF 2022) ORGANISATION 1100 - MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND WELLNESS (Resumed Debate) MR CHAIRPERSON SKELEMANI): Honourable Members, when the House adjourned yesterday, Honourable Tshere was on the floor debating and he is left with one minute 24 seconds.

(MR MR TSHERE (MAHALAPYE WEST): Thank you so much Honourable Chairperson and good afternoon.
Tota ke ne ke setse ke wetse maabane, ke gakolola thata Tona wa Botsogo, Dr Dikoloti gore a se ka a tsaya boikarabelo jwa gagwe jo re bo mo fileng re le lefatshe, gore a tlise ditlamelo tsa botsogo especially kwa secondary and tertiary level, a e tsaya a e neela private sector.

Ka tsela e e ntseng jalo o tlaabo dirile phoso.

Ke bo ke kaya jalo gore, thulaganyo e ya botsogo e tshwana le thuto; ke dilo tse di amanang le universal human rights, they should be given.
In fact any state that fails to provide health and education to its citizenry, by international standard that is a failed state and we do not want Botswana to be classified like that, fa go buiwa in international standard.

So we want the Government to take the initiative to provide healthcare services and quality healthcare to its citizenry and seeming to cede it to private sector, Ministry of Health is therefore ceding its obligation of a state, and that is the responsibility of any state to provide such.
If you are not providing it, you have failed and we do not want Botswana to be classified as having failed.

I submit Mr Chairperson.

Thank you very much.

MR MOABI (TATI WEST): Ke a leboga Mr Chairperson.

Nte ke dumedise batlotlegi mo Ntlong e, bodiredi le Batswana ka kakaretso.

Mr Chairperson, ke tle ke tshwaele jaaka ba bangwe ba sa tswa go tshwaela.

Tota ka fa ke boneng ka teng, mongwe le mongwe ke yo o dumalanang le kopo ya ga Tona ka fa a kopang ka teng.
Ke supe mo tshimologong jaaka ke dumalana le ene ke re, kopo e a sa tswang go re e baya pele ya madi, a a fiwe.

Ke lephata lengwe le le lebanweng ke dikgwetlho.

Pele ga ke ka tswelela Mr Chairperson, fa batho ba leka ba dira ka fa ba dirang ka teng, go a re ba lebogwe.

Maloba re ne ra bona lephata le le tshwere bothata, ba bangwe ba bua dipuo tse ba neng ba di bua, mme ga ba ise ba boele morago kana ba kgobiwa marapo ke dipuo tse di neng di buiwa.
Tona Dr Dikoloti, tshwara fela jalo ka fa o tshwereng ka teng.

Ga go bonolo jaaka mongwe maabane a ne a supa a re batho ga ba tsewe ke Modimo, ba tsewa ka fa ba tsewang ka teng.

Ke dikgang tse re di tlwaetseng tse di neng di buiwa ke nkgonne, Honourable Tshere.

Re tlwaetse dikgang tse re tshela le tsone, a di se ka tsa go kgoba marapo Honourable Minister Dikoloti.

Honourable Minister Dikoloti, kgaolo ya me jaaka maloba ke ne ke supa, re lela ka clinic ya Zwenshambe e go leng lebaka re e solofetswa.
Ke na le tshepho le tumelo ya gore jaaka o filwe madi jaana, re tla tlaa re bona e ya go dirwa.

Re na le bothata jwa dingaka mo kgaolong ya me, bogolo jang kwa Masunga Primary Hospital.

Re na le dingaka di le nne, ba tshwanetse ba nna eight, go raya gore go tlhaela ba le bane.

Ke itumetse fa ke utlwa Assistant Minister Sethomo Lelatisitswe, a supa fa le dira tshekatsheko ya go bona gore le ka dira jang jaaka dingaka di tswa mo tirong, di ya go batla mafulo a matalana.
Ke tsaya gore selelo sa rona jaaka re ne re lela lefatshe ka bophara ka kgang ya dingaka, e tlaa rarabololwa.

Re a tshwenyega Honourable Minister, ka kgang ya dingaka tsa matlho.

Re bona kgaolo yotlhe go simolola kwa Maun, Nata, Tutume, Masunga, Francistown le Phikwe re santse re ya ngakeng ya matlho kwa Serowe.

Re tle re go lebelele, ke go lekodisa kgang e mme ke itse gore o bereka mo go yone.
A ko re bone gore kwa Francistown ga re ka ke ra nna le ngaka ya matlho, go direla gore ba ke ntseng ke bala dikgaolo tsa bone, gongwe ba ka thusetswa teng Tona.

Ke nngwe kgang e nako tse dingwe o fitlhelang batho ba latlhegelwa ke pono, ka lebaka la gore gongwe ga ba a bona ngaka ka nako e e rileng Mr Chairperson.

Ke dikgang dingwe tse ke reng o tle o di lebelele thata.

Re na le health posts kwa kgaolong ya me tse ke tsayang gore tota ga di a nna sentle.
Clinic kana health post e tshwanetse ya bonala gore ke ga botsogo, go tshwanetse ga nna phepa, kana ga lebega.

Re na le Gulubane le Pole clinics, di onetse Mr Chairperson.

Jaaka re go letlelela madi jaana, a ko o di lebelele.

Ke tsaya gore ke kile ka ya le Assistant Minister, clinics tse ke di balang tseo o a di itse.

Fa o ntse o aba madi jalo, o se ka wa lebala Kgaolo ya Tati West Honourable Minister.
9 Hansard No 205Wednesday 9th March, 2022ORGANISATION 1100 – MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND WELLNESS Committee of Supply (Resumed Debate) Honourable Minister, tota jaaka ke sa tswa go leboga ka fa o tshwereng ka teng, ke le leboga lotlhe le bana ba gago bo nurse ka fa ba dirang ka teng.

Ba na le bothata jwa boroko Mr Chairperson, o a itse Tona ka fa maloba ba neng ba tshwere ka botswapelo, mme boroko jwa teng bo a tshwenya.
Ke a itse gore go a tlhaela, madi ga a yo, mme ke ne ke re go ya pele Tona a ko re lebelele gore nurses ga ba ka ke ba fiwa 16 per cent housing allowance go ya pele.

Dikgang tse re di bua re ntse re itse gore madi ga a yo, mme kana nako tse dingwe go tlhokafala ga madi ga go reye gore re se ka ra bua dikgang.

A e re kamoso go ntse go tsweletse, re bone gore bana ba ka fa re bonang ba bereka ka teng, ba fiwe 16 per cent e le madi a ba tlaabong ba duela boroko.
Ke bona ka fa o lekang ka teng, gompieno ke 3 per cent mme fa o lebelela two-bedroomed house ke bo P2 500 kwa dikgaolong.

Go a tura, 3 per cent o fitlhela e le madi a a kwa tlase Mr Chairperson.

Kwa kgaolong ya me Minister, re na le clusters di le seven.

Jaaka di le seven jaana, di le tharo ke tsone tse gongwe di nang le dingaka, tse nne ga di na dingaka.
Jaaka le dira ditshekatsheko, a ko re ye go lebelela gore re ka dira ka tsela e e ntseng jang gore fa dingaka di tla, le se ka la lebala clusters tsa kgaolo ya me.

Mr Chairperson, re na le bana, ke ne ke utlwa Honourable Motaosane kgantele a lela ka nurses ba ba sa berekeng, kana bangwe ba ba neng ba ntse ba bereka, mme ga ba sa tlhole ba bereka.

A re lebeleleng gore fa re na le bana ba gompieno ba sa bereke, e le gone ba tswang dikoleng, a ba fiwe tshono.
Gompieno re lela ka nurses kwa dipateleng le clinics tsa rona.

Kgang e Tona a re e lebelele, ke a itse gore dilo tse dingwe le fa ke go bolelela jaana o di itse tota, re go gakolola fela gore go ka dirwa ka tsela e e ntseng jang.

Mr Chairperson, ke santse ke le foo ka gore e bile nako e tsamaile, re rotloetse Batswana ka kakaretso gore mokento ke o o teng.

A Batswana ba rotloetsege ba ye go tsaya mokento, le fa o sa fodise mme fela re na le tshepho le tumelo ya gore gongwe fa o o tsere go nna botoka.
Ke kope Batswana jalo ke re, a re emeng ka dinao, mongwe le mongwe fa a leng teng re mo rotloetse a ye go tsaya mokento Mr Chairperson.

Ke santse ke le foo gape Tona, kgang e ya tlhaelo ya dingaka a re e lebeleleng, gore kamoso re se ka ra tsaya lebaka le le leele batho ba rona ba sa thusiwe ka fa re eleditseng ka teng.

A e re mo nakong e e rileng, jaaka o supile gore consultancy e teng go dirwa ditshekatsheko, a e se ka ya nna ditshekatsheko tse di tlaa nnelang ruri.
Fa ke wela Mr Chairperson, re bona projects o leka fa o lekang ka teng, mme letshwenyego la rona Tona ke implementation.

Nako tse dingwe dikgang re a di bua, re bo eletsa jaaka ke itse Tona o eletsa gore dilo di ka dirwa, mme implementation mo baneng ba gago e bo e sa nne teng.

Re bona projects di dirwa, nako tse dingwe o fitlhela di sa fele ka nako e e rileng.

Re bona maphata a busa madi, a re lekeng ka kgang e gore re se ka ra bona maphata a busa madi, gongwe ditiro di sa dirwa.
Dipilisi di a tlhaela Mr Chairperson, re e lebelele.

Gompieno jaana fa o lebelela dipilisi tsa high blood, ga di yo mo dikokelwaneng.

Kana nako tse dingwe fa go sena melemo mo dikokelwaneng, o bo o raya motsadi o re a ye go reka, jaaka re itse seemo ka fa se ntseng ka teng, o raya motsadi a ya go bona madi kae a a rekang.

Ke dingwe tse re tshwanetseng go di lebelela bogolo jang fa re bua ka melemo e e tlhaelang mo dikokelwaneng.
A re lekeng ka bofefo jo bo rileng gore melemo e se ka ya tlhokafala mo dikokelwaneng.

Ka go rialo Tona, tota e ne e le kemonokeng mo kopong e o sa tswang go re e baya pele.

Ke a itse gore o itse letlhoko la rona, e ne e le kgakololo fela gore tswelela o tshwere ka fa o tshwereng ka teng.

Dikgang tse di tshwanang le melemo, nurses, dingaka, di se ka tsa tlhaela mo dipateleng.

Boroko jwa baoki o bo lebelele ka leitlho le le tseneletseng bogolo jang ka ke ne ke gakolola ka 15 per cent.
Ka go rialo Mr Chairperson, ke a leboga.

Ke a leboga Tona.

MR MOATLHODI (TONOTA): Ke a go leboga Motlotlegi Modulasetilo.

Dumilani Mbidzi.

Ke a go bua ka go tlhokafala ga sepatela sa Tonota go fitlhelela ditlou di roba ditlhare tsotlhe tse di mo lefatsheng la Botswana.

Sepatela se, e rile ka 1998 ra fiwa madi gore re se age.

Makhanselara a Legare by then ba tsaya tshwetso, moswi Mokhanselara wa pele wa Gweta, Rre Andrew Ndobano, may his soul rest in peace, a tlhakaladitse ka sepatela.
Ga tsewa madi a rona a isiwa Gweta gotwe re tlaa agelwa, le gompieno re ntse re a a agelwa.

40 per cent ya balwetse ba ba robetseng kwa sepatela sa Nyangabgwe Referral Hospital, ke ba ba tswang mo Tonota.

Mongwe wa Matona a ke a ratang thata, Mme Serame, o ne a bua fa maloba, yone kgang e e buiwang ke mokaulengwe wa me.

O ne a bua gore madi a a boa a le bokete jo bo tsitsibanyang mmele.

Her predecessor, Dr Matsheka, o ne a bua kwa paragraph 99 e le Tona, gore madi a a boa.
How do we reconcile this true statement?

Re tewa gotwe sepatela ga se agiwe ka gore madi ga a yo mme on the other hand, re tewa gotwe madi a a boa.
10 Hansard No 205Wednesday 9th March, 2022ORGANISATION 1100 – MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND WELLNESS Committee of Supply (Resumed Debate) Bagaetsho, ke a rapela, ke ne ke bolelela Village Development Committees (VDCs) tsa me tsotlhe maloba di eteletswe ke Rraetsho Keletso ke re, please fa re aga National Development Plan (NDP) 12 jaana, prioritise Tonota Primary Hospital, se kwalwe kwa godimo.

Molaodi wa rona Mme Mokwena, o rurifaditse gore rra, batsadi ba gago ba dirile jaaka o bua.
Le rona re kwadile jaaka batsadi ba gago ba kwadile gore sepatela sa Tonota has been prioritised for NDP 12.

Ke a go kopa Tona le monnao, re neele sepatela, se tlaabo se le teng mo NDP 12.

Le gone ga ke bone gore se tshwanetse se emele NDP 12, madi a boa a le kanakana.

O tseye madi a a boang a, o re neele re age sepatela.

o imileng le fa a ka tswa a na le bolwetse jo bo ntseng jang, ngwana o a sireletsega, o ya go belegwa a le pope a le montle.
Ka December 2021, lefatshe la Botswana le neetswe certificate ke World Health Organisation (WHO) gore we are the best country throughout the whole world ka lenaneo la PMTCT.

Le bomme ba kwa Mahalapye West, I am challenging Tshere, lenaneo le ba le rata thata.

E bile ope wa bone ga a ise a re le emisiwe.

Ke letse ke utlwa maabane mongwe mokaulengwe wa me a re tlhophololang Domkrag ka lenaneo le itaya le re.

Lenaneo le, le ratiwa ke lefatshe lotlhe le bomme ba kwa Mahalapye ba a le rata.
Fa go ne gotwe go tlhophololwe Domkrag, go tewa go tlhophiwa mang?

Ka 2011, flat ya boroko jwa baoki e ne ya a sha.

Go amegile dikamore tse four, up to today matlo a baoki ga a ise a baakanngwe, mme re tlhaelelwa ke baoki mo go botlhoko.

Maloba yo mongwe o ne a nthaya a re, “ke a boa rra Nkamo, ke tswa go tsewa kwa Serowe, ga go na boroko kwano.

Ke boelela kwa Serowe.” A re ya go swa mme baoki ba le teng o sa ba agele Tona?
Ke a go kopa Tona Dikoloti, ga ke go kope ke a go rapela, bona sebaka o tsamae le nna o ye kwa Tonota.

O ye go bona matlhotlhapelo ao.

Monnao o kile a ya, ka segaetsho, o boa a lemba fela, clinic ya rona e ntse makgasa.

Re ne re solofetse gore fa a tswa kwa, o tlaa tla a baakantse seemo, dipati di ntse makgasa, ga go na sepe se se siameng.

There is such a hue cry about the dental service, o palelwa le ke setilo, setilo fela se se nniwang ke motho a ntshiwa meno.
Re itse gore oral health is the key way to health, mme ka tsweetswee bagaetsho, re kopa thuso mo dilong tse.

Clinics tsa Shashe-Mooke, Mmandunyane le Semotswane, ke dikago tsa bogologolo, e bile ke dikhuruntlhwana.

Ka tsweetswee Tona, re etele ke ye go go bontsha clinics gore o agele batsadi ba me tse di ba tshwanetseng ka morafe o godile ka bokete kwa dikgaolong tse ke sa tswang go di bala.
O tle o bone kwa Leomboko Tona, last year go agilwe sekhuruntlhwane o kare mantlwane a kwa dipatlelong, gotwe go agiwa clinic go tshamekiwa ka madi a ga Goromente.

O tsamaye le nne o tle o bone dilo tse di dirwang kwa kgaolong ya me.

O tlaa mpolaisa pelo ka fa o sotlang batsadi ba me ka teng.

Tona, ke go phophotha legetla Rre Dikoloti, le fa e kare kwa bofelong wa utlwa ke sa bua sepe, ke dumalana le budget ya gago.
Ke go phophotha legetla ka lenaneo le teng gatwe Prevention of Mother to Child Transmission (PMTCT).

Lenaneo le le dirang gore mmangwana yo HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification.

MR MOATLHODI: Ga ke na nako, o tlaa tla o bua ka nako ya gago.

Go tewa go tlhophiwa mang yo e reng fa Dr Bucs Molatlhegi a re o batla go emela ditlhopho, a bo a tewa gotwe o tsofetse, tswa o tsamaye, go sena internal democracy?

Go tlhophiwa mang kwa go senang internal democracy teng?
…(Interruptions)… a tshwaretswe dilepe gotwe o a bolawa.

Go tewa go tlhophiwa mang?

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Point of order, foo!

MR CHAIRPERSON: No!

No!

HONOURABLE MEMBER: No, point of order.

MR CHAIRPERSON: I said, no!

HONOURABLE MEMBER: No Mr Chairperson, ga o ka ke wa letlelela motho a… MR MOATLHODI: Go tewa go tlhophiwa mang?

Park him Mbidzi!

Go tewa go tlhophiwa mang?


HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)... MR MOATLHODI: Motlotlegi Tona Autlwetse a re go na le phatlha kwa Bonnington South, banna ba bo ba tlola, yole a re go ema nna, yole a re go ema nna.

Heelang!

A mme ba ka busa bone ba?
HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)... MR MOATLHODI: Mma ke bue ka bomme ba lefatshe le, lekwalo la Modimo la re go ne go le phakela, bomme Magatalena le Mma Jeso ba phaketse ba re ba batla go tlotsa mmele wa ga Morena Jeso Keresete … (interruptions)… HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)... 11 Hansard No 205Wednesday 9th March, 2022ORGANISATION 1100 – MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND WELLNESS Committee of Supply (Resumed Debate) HONOURABLE MEMBER: There is nothing that you know about God, you know nothing about God.
Ga o itse sepe ka Modimo.

MR MOATLHODI: Tsamaela koo, ga o na maitseo.

O tlhola o raya batho o re ke dintša, ke a go itse.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: E kare Umbrella for Democratic Change (UDC) e go tsentse mafura fa, o ne o sule.

MR MOATLHODI: Bomme ba lefatshe le, ba se ka ba ipona tsapa.
Re na le bomme ba lefatshe le, ba ba tswang kgakala, Mmaetsho Sanji Gochani Monageng, Mmaetsho Tebogo Tau, Mmaetsho Mercy Garekwe, Mma Dambe, Mme… HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)... MR CHAIRPERSON: You know Honourable Members, these debates are timed, jaanong fa le ngapana ka dipolotiki tsa lona, they do not become points of order.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ee, o mo kgalemele.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Re mo thusitse, re mo tsaya a sotlegile, UDC e mo tsenya mo Palamenteng.
HONOURABLE MEMBER: A latlhilwe ke mongwe le mongwe, ba sa mmone e le motho.

letse gotwe MR MOATLHODI: Maabane go Domkrag e tlhophololwe, I am here to defend Botswana Democratic Party (BDP).

HONOURABLE MEMBER: O ne o sotlegile re go tsenya mo Palamenteng.

O sotlegile batho ba go latlhile.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Re go dira motho.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: O bo o re roga gompieno mme re go tsentse mo Palamenteng.

MR CHAIRPERSON: Honourable Reatile.

MR REATILE: Order.
MR REATILE: Order.

Mr Chairperson, point of order e ke neng ke e kopa ke gore ke ne ke kopa gore batlotlegi ba lese Honourable Moatlhodi a debate, re tlaa nna le nako ya rona ya gore re debate.

Go nne le flow e e siameng Mr Chairperson.

O entitled gore a bue se a batlang go se bua.

Re tlaa tla re e counter fa re counter, re set the record straight.

I thank you Mr Chairperson.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ba rile mongwe ke Monyasa a batla boTautona, ba gana internal democracy.
HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… MR MOATLHODI: Go ne gotwe Domkrag e tlhophololwe.

I am strongly defending the BDP.

HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… MR MOATLHODI: Domkrag e tlhophololwa go tlhophiwa mang?

MR CHAIRPERSON: Honourable Moatlhodi, hang on!

MR BOKO: On a point of order Mr Chairperson.

Mr Chairperson, point of order ya me e ke neng ke e kopa e khutshwanyane gore gompieno go buiwa ka kgang ya health.
Gompieno Honourable Deputy Speaker, UDC e ne e mo tsaya a sotlegile, a sa bereke, a bolawa ke tlala.

Ke gore e mo tsaya kwa lesong e bo e mo tsenya mo botshelong mme o a e tlhasela o bua ka bo Dr Molatlhegi ba e leng gore ga ba ka ke ba ikarabela.

O bua ka gore ga go na inner party democracy kwa Botswana National Front (BNF).

O raya gore go ikarabele mang jaanong because baeteledipele ba BNF ga ba yo gone fa?

Ke Mapalamente fela.

Ke re o mo reye o re a tsene mo setlhogong.


Other than that, re tlaa mo tlhasela re mmolelela gore re mo tsere kwa a sotlega, a le gautshwane le lebitla, a tloga a a swa.

Re mo tsaya re mo thusa gore a tle a kgone go tshela.

Fa o bona a tshutshuma jaana ke rona mme o a re tlhasela.

We cannot allow that Mr Chairperson.

Sorry, we cannot.

MR CHAIRPERSON: Honourable Boko, ke tsone dilo tse di out of order tse o di buang.

MR MOATLHODI: Ke na le nako e e kae Mr Chairperson?

MR CHAIRPERSON: Two minutes.


MR MOATLHODI: Thank you very much Mr Chairperson.
Ke ne ke santse ke bua ka bomme ba lefatshe le ke ba tshwantsha le nako ya ba siana ba phakeletse kwa phuphung ya ga Morena Jesu Keresete kwa e rileng ba fitlha teng, ba tshogile ba na le poifo e kgolo, ba re, “e re le mororo re batla go ya go tlotsa mmele wa gagwe ka ditlhatshana tse di lenko le monate, go na le tshidikwe ya lejwe, ga re itse yo o tlaa yang a re ntshetsa tshidikwe e.” Fa ba tsena fa lebitleng ba bona monna ke yo a tsepame a re, “ene Morena Jesu yo le mmatlang ga a yo o kwa Galaleya.” Bomme ba Botswana, lefatshe la Botswana ke Galaleya wa lona.
12 Hansard No 205Wednesday 9th March, 2022ORGANISATION 1100 – MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND WELLNESS Committee of Supply (Resumed Debate) E ne e le kwa Galaleya kwa Morena Jesu Keresete a fetotseng metsi mofine le go jesa matshwititshwiti dilofo tse tlhano.

Bomme ba Botswana, lefatshe la Botswana… MR CHAIRPERSON: Honourable Moatlhodi, let us hear what Honourable Lesedi has to say.

Palapye ka gore tota ga go na ntlwana kana mo re go bitsang re re ke maternity wing mo kgaolong ya Palapye.
Ba tsamaya bokgakala jo bo kana ka 50 kilometres (km) ba ya kwa Serowe.

Motlotlegi Modulasetilo, a ko o nthuse Tona a thuse bomme jaaka maabane e ne e le letsatsi la bomme gore batho betsho, bomme ba a swa ba a nyelela.

MR LESEDI: Point of order.

Ke ne ke re motlotlegi a a boele mo topic.

Tota motlotlegi jaanong o dule gotlhelele.

Re rile re a reetsa jaanong ga re utlwe le gore gatweng.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: O itirile morutinyana wa lebitla, mme re a itse gore ga go na boruti mo go ene.
MR CHAIRPERSON: Ga re itse ka boruti.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Tlhe rra Reatile a ko o kgaleme.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ga go na le fa e le boruti.

Ga ke itse gore o rera eng a itse gore ga se moruti?

O ne a lomisitse bana dintša.

Ke raya gore… MR MOATLHODI: Mr Chairperson, the point of order that was advocated for, is it done away with?

MR CHAIRPERSON: Yes, we are done with.

MR MOATLHODI: Thank you.

Can I finish my remaining time?

MR CHAIRPERSON: Yes, please.


MR MOATLHODI: Ke ne ke bua ka bonatla jwa bomme ba Botswana gore ba se ka ba boifa sepe, mme ba tsamaye fela jaaka Moshe a ne a laetse gore mokgoro mongwe le mongwe o e tlaa reng a tsena teng a fitlhela go sa kgwarwa ka bohibidu a itse gore bana ba Israel ba robetse moo, ba batla poloko.

Ba ye kwa Mahalapye West le East le kwa Phikwe East le West ba itse gore ba e seng maDomkrag ba ba ntshe, ba tlhophe maDomkrag.

Ke lebogile Motlotlegi Modulasetilo.


MR RAMOGAPI Motlotlegi Modulasetilo.

Ke ema fano… (PALAPYE): Ke a leboga …Silence… MR RAMOGAPI: … mo budget ya gagwe e a re e beileng fa pele.
Motlotlegi Modulasetilo, se ke batlang gore rraetsho a se tshwaele thata, ke dikgang tse di latelang; kgang ya ntlha e e tshwenyang rraetsho ke gore bomme ba tlhokafala ka dipalo tse dintsi fa ba imile, segolo jang mo clinic kana mo sepateleng se sa rona sa Tona, ela tlhoko seemo sa gore ga go na dipilisi mo dikokelwaneng kana mo dipateleng tsa Botswana, sa Palapye se le kwa pele.
Gore o bo o re raya o re dipilisi ga di yo, mme e bile gape seemo sa tsone ke bo 37 per cent, seemo se se a tshwenya fela thata Rraetsho Tona.

Ke re nnyaa dipilisi tsa high blood, sukuri le tsa malwetse a re itseng gore a diphatsa e bile ga a tshelanwe, tse di tshwanetseng gore kgapetsakgapetsa di nne teng, gompieno ga go na le fa e le sepe mo Palapye.

O kile wa bo o bua o re nnyaa dipilisi tseo e tlaa re fa di seyo, batho ba ye go reka kwa chemists.
Gompieno lenaneo la gago ga le yo, batho ga ba reke, ba tewa fela gotwe, “dipilisi ga di yo, itlhobogeng, ga gona madi.” Wa reng ka botsogo jwa batho?

A ko o tlhalose kgang e gore wa reng ka botshelo jwa batho Rraetsho Tona fa e le gore dipilisi ga di yo?

O bua a phuthologile a re di kwa go 37 per cent.

Nnyaa, ra re ka molao, go tshwanetse gore e re fa re re ga di yo, di bo di tsamaya kwa go bo 85 per cent, ke gone re bo re itse gore we have enough stock, mme ga di yo.
Jaanong re ipata ka COVID-19 mo go sengwe le sengwe.

Ke gore fela fa re re se, ra re nnyaa COVID-19 e dirile gore re se ka ra nna le dipilisi.

Kgang e nngwe e e tshwenyang Rraetsho Dikoloti ke gore e bo e le gore ga re na bodiredi mo dipateleng tsotlhe tsa lefatshe la Botswana.

Dingaka di tlhaela labofelo, mme sa Palapye se ntse se le kwa pele fela jaaka ke ne ke bua ka melemo.

Goromente o tsere dingaka di ka tshwara 16 a di isa sekoleng o bo o sa di replace Dr Dikoloti.
Golo moo ke botlhaswa jo bo feteletseng rraetsho.

Re a go kopa, replace dingaka tse o di tsereng gotwe di ile sekoleng ka gore re a itse gore jaanong ga o ka ke wa di replace.

Rre Dikoloti, re a go kopa motho wa Modimo.

Jaaka ke go eme nokeng jaana ke re madi a o a fiwe, mme e bile gape a mannyennyane, itse gore botsogo ke selo sa botlhokwa.

Sone sepatela sa Palapye, le sale le re se solofeditse ka nako ya ga Rre Mogae e le Mopalamente.
Mogae a feta, ga tsena Rre Sebetela, mme a nna a re, “sepatela ke se, se tlaa tla.” Ga tsena Rre Goya fela jalo.

E rile ka Rre Goya maloba Tautona a tla a re, “jaanong ke a se aga, se a tsena jaana, se tlaa tsena ka July ka Mid-term Review.” Re belaela gore ka gore Tautona o buile, go gana Dikoloti.

Batho Modimo, re a kopa.

Batho ba a fela, ga gona botsogo.


13 Hansard No 205Wednesday 9th March, 2022ORGANISATION 1100 – MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND WELLNESS Committee of Supply (Resumed Debate) Itseng gore fa ke bua ka Palapye, ga ke bue ka kgaolo ya me ke le nosi.

Batho ba ba tlang mo sepateleng sa Palapye ke ba kgaolo ya ga Rre Modukanele, Rre Molebatsi, Rre Lesedi le Rre Mathoothe.

Sepatela se sa Palapye, ke mogoboka.

Itseng gore batho ba A1 fa ba tlhagelwa ke kotsi, ba tsena mo sepateleng se sa Palapye.
Fa le sa se age, le ikaelela eng ka matshelo a batho ba Palapye?

Mr Chairperson, re bua se ka pelo e e botlhoko ka gore ga re ka ke ra ya go bitsa batho ba …(Interruption)… Fa re tsena mo kgannyeng e nngwe rraetsho, re na le lekalana gatwe ke la balwetse ba tlhologanyo.

Go dira lebati fela le le bitswang gotwe emergency door, go a pala.

Ke gore fa molwetse wa tlhaloganyo a ka patikelela baoki ba mo ntlong yone e go tlaa dubega.

A ko go nne le lebati la emergency le ba ka tswang ka lone.
Ke dilo fela tse di botlhoko rraetsho.

Mo eye clinic go tlolatlola mooki a le mongwe fela.

Fa re tsena ka fa Dentist ke gore o tlaa fitlhela e le gore le fa e le gone mo gotweng motho o ka tlhapa meno ga go yo, bone ba re ba ka somola leino fela, go tlhapisa meno ga ba tlhapise.

Re re Tona, re a go kopa dilo tse a ko o di sekaseke, o bone gore o a di diragatsa.

Tona, re a tshwenyega thata, ka golo mo gotweng ke dintsho tsa bana.
Dintsho tsa bana mo lefatsheng la Botswana di ntse di a gola, kana di tsamaya kwa godimo, ga se dintsho tse e leng gore… leso lengwe le lengwe ga re a tshwanela gore re bo re ntse re santse re na le dintsho tsa bana that are recorded.

E bile gape mo go botlhoko, le bomme ba ba tlhokafalang ba ya botsetsing.

Tona kgang e ntshwenyang gape thata ke ya procurement mo lephateng la gago.
Ao, Tona ke gore dikgang tse le di tsaya monate fela, lolea fela, gore pampiri e tlaabo e kwala e re, “kgaitsadie semangmang o a bo a a ja gape o ja P500 Million.

Kamoso kgaitsadie semangmang o a bo a a ja gape o ja P200 Million, kamoso kgaitsadie semangmang o a bo a a ja gape o ja P40 Million,” ao!

Tona dilo tse ga di le tlhabise ditlhong naare lona, ke raya lona fela.
A ko dikgang tse le bone gore fa re re dilo tse le tsenye leitlho, le le tsenye, ka gore ke dilo tse e leng gore ga di a siamela lefatshe la Botswana.

Rraetsho Tona, mma ke tsene mo go e nngwe gape, ke bue ka gore mo Palapye re na le sepatela se se neng se ka re thusa fale le fale sa ga Dr Mompati.

Se sale se agilwe se bo se bulwa ke Tautona Mokgweetsi Eric Keabetswe Masisi, mme sepatela se rraetsho se gatwe le gana se bulwa.

Le gana ka licences, ke re ao!


Batho betsho, le motho a itekile a re o thusa lefatshe la Botswana le gana go mo neela licences e le Motswana!

Fa e ka bo e ne e le Mokula, e ne e le mongwe motho... HONOURABLE MEMBER: Elucidation Honourable Member.

MR RAMOGAPI: ...re re re a le kopa batho betsho, a ko le boneng gore Batswana ba a thusiwa ka fa molaong.
Go na le kgang ya the referrals Honourable Minister, ga go a siama to refer batho fa a tswa mo Palapye ke yoo o tlaabo a siantshiwa a isiwa kwa Francistown.

Fa go ntse gotwe o kwa Francistown motho wa Modimo o a tsewa gape o isiwa kwa Mahalapye, o feta Palapye.

Re re ao!

batho betsho, ke gore these referrals tse tsa lona di ntse jang?

Fa e kare motho fela a isiwa go bo gotwe, nnyaa motho yo o a lwala, o ya go bona ngaka ya marapo kwa Mahalapye, go ne go ka nna botoka.
Jaanong o tlaabo a isiwa kwa Francistown, go tswa fa batsadi fa ba santse ba re ba mmatla kwa Francistown gatwe ga a yo, o ile kwa Mahalapye.

HONOURABLE honourable.

MEMBER: Clarification MR RAMOGAPI: Ke tlaa go e neela gongwe, metsotsonyana e fedile.

Ke mathata a rraetsho a re apereng.

Tona, re a go kopa gore dikgang tse di tsenye leitlho re kgone go bona gore mme tota gone fa re bua ka the referral system re kgona to refer batho ka tsela e ntseng jang, e e siameng.
Go tshwana fela Tona, gompieno re mo mathateng a a seng kana ka sepe, batho ba matlho ba mo mathateng.

Batho ba matlho laene ke motseletsele o o tswang mo Gaborone o ya Palapye, basadibagolo, bannabagolo, makolwane, ba a foufala e se tshwanelo ya bone ya gore ba foufale.

E le fela gore Puso ya rona ya ga Domkrag e gana go alafa batho matlho, e gana go batla dingaka tse di ka re thusang.
Why not privatise, ga tsewa batho ba bangwe gatwe, ka gore ga re na ngaka e ya matlho, mma re tseye ba private sector ba re thuse.

Le lesa batho ba Modimo fela ba foufala, golo mo kana ga go a siama.

Ke bosetlhogo, ke mo gotweng barbaric, ga go a siamela lefatshe la Botswana gore tota le bo le dira jaana.

Kgang e nngwe rra e ke batlang go tsena mo go yone ka bofefo ke ya gore, le bo le patika batho kwa melelwaneng le re motho mongwe le mongwe yo o tsenang mo molelwaneng ke gore a kentiwe.

Ao!
Ao!

Batho ba Modimo, heelang!

a ko le nne le reetsa... MR CHAIRPERSON: Honourable Ramogapi, your time is up!

Honourable Kablay.

14 Hansard No 205Wednesday 9th March, 2022ORGANISATION 1100 – MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND WELLNESS Committee of Supply (Resumed Debate) MR KABLAY (LETLHAKENG-LEPHEPHE): Thank you Mr Chairperson.

Le nna rraetsho ke re ke supe gore ke ema Tona nokeng ka kopo ya gagwe e a e beileng pele Palamente e e tlotlegang.
Rraetsho tla fela ke leboge lephata la gagwe gore le eme ka dinao thata go re thusa ka mekento mo dikgaolong tsa rona.

Batho ba ga rona ba a kentiwa.

Go ntse go tsweletse ba a kentiwa ba kentelwa bolwetse jwa Corona.

Ke selo se ke batlang go se mo lebogela thata gore lephata la gagwe le eme ka dinao go leka go sireletsa matshelo a Batswana, e le se e le goreng e rile re tsaya boikarabelo re sena go tlhophiwa ka 2019 ra se solofetsa Batswana.

Ke ne ke rotloetsa Tona gore rraetsho ema o dire fela jalo.
Mr Chairperson, ke leboge lephata la botsogo gore le bo le re agetse maternity wing kwa Lephephe.

Maternity wing o re saleng re ledile ka one, gompieno o fedile.

Se se setseng fela kwa maternity wing wa Lephephe ke gore go tsenngwe malao le di dirisiwa tse dingwe gape tsa boimana.

Ke se rraetsho re se lebogelang thata.

Gape ke bo ke gakolola gore, kana clinic ya Lephephe e kgologolo, e tshwanetse ke gore e shafadiwe fale le fale Tona.
Jaanong ke ne kopa gore rraetsho fa madi a ka bonala a clinic ya Lephephe le yone e ye go dirwa.

Ke bue rraetsho gore, kgaolo e ke e emetseng ka o itse Mr Chairperson e le kgaolo e e katologaneng, ke na le clinics mo Kgaolong ya Lephephe; ke Lephephe, Sojwe, Shadishadi, Boatlaname, Loologane le Shonono.

Dikgaolo tse rraetsho o ka bona gore di kae, mme di na le ambulances tse pedi fela.
Ambulances tse ga di kgone, fa batho ba na le mathata mo kgaolong, go na le mathata kwa Shonono kana Shadishadi, go raya gore mo dikgaolong tse dingwe le bone fa ba na le mathata ga gona sepe se ba thusiwang ka sone ka gore dikoloi tse pedi fela tsa clinic rraetsho ga di ka ke tsa kgona.

Jaanong malwetse a mantsi Mr Chairperson, re ne re kopa rraetsho gore a kgaolo e e rekelwe ambulances.

A ambulances di nne teng, ka gore re kgakala le ditlamelo.
Mo dikgaolong tse ke di emetseng rraetsho ga gona chemists, ga gona private doctors, re a bo re beile botshelo jwa rona mo dikokelong.

Jaanong rraetsho ke kopa gore a re thusiwe ka dikoloi, ka gore Molepolole o kgakala.

Fa boimana bo le teng kwa Loologane, kaekae mo kgaolong, ke mathata fela, ba tlaa ikgaoganya le bakgweetsi ba ba kgweetsang dikoloi tse.
Jaanong rraetsho a re boneng gore dikgaolo tse di kgakala le ditlamelo dilo tse di tshwanang le dikoloi tsa ambulances le dipilisi di kgone go nna teng ka gore jaaka ke ntse ke bua re a bo re beile fela foo.

Ke re Mr Chairperson, le kwa Letlhakeng, le dikokelo tse di gaufi le Letlhakeng ke one mathata a re a tshwereng.

Ga re na ambulances.


Clinic e tona e tshwana le Letlhakeng, e e leng gore ke yone e amogelang dikgaolo tsotlhe tsa Kweneng West, re bo re na le kokelo e le nngwe fela kana ambulance e le nngwe fela, nnyaa ke mathata a a maswe fela thata.

Maabane jaana beke tse pedi tse di fetileng, re ne ra nna le kotsi, e le gore tholo e thula combi 10 kilometers from Letlhakeng, ga bo gotwe ambulance!

ambulance!

go sena ambulance.


Ga nniwa sebaka e le gore go tshwanetswe ke gore go kopiwe ambulance kwa Molepolole e tle go tsaya batho ba ba bolaisegileng e ba ise kwa kokelong.

Rraetsho ga nna le matlhotlhapelo a a botlhoko, gore kana fa re ka bo re na le ambulance kwa Letlhakeng go raya gore re ka bo re ne ra thusega, batho bao ba thusega, ba isiwa sepatela ka bonako.

Jaanong bona gore Molepolole o kae, 60 kilometres go tswa kwa Letlhakeng, re emetse ambulance koo.
Jaanong Mr Chairperson, ambulance rraetsho mo kgaolong e ke e emetseng ke mathata a re leng Goromente re tshwanetseng ra a emela ka dinao.

Jaaka ke bua gore dikgaolo tsa rona di kgakala le ditlamelo.

Jaanong ke se ke neng ke re ke se kope Mr Chairperson.

Modulasetilo, ke leboga thata ka gore ke letse ke utlule Minister ka ditsebe tsa me, ke mo reeditse ka tlhoafalo ka selelo se ke tswang kgakala ke lela ka sone; dikgobo tse ke neng ke latofatswa ka tsone gore maabane o letse a se arabile.
O letse a se arabile gore primary hospital ya Letlhakeng e ke saleng ke ntse ke bua ka yone e ya go agiwa.

2022/2023, go raya gore e mo go yone.

Ke go leboga thata Minister.

Go a tualo jaaka ke ne ke lela maloba, motho a arabiwe gore ga go ka ke ga tsewa sengwe le sengwe mo kgaolong ya me jaaka ke ne ke lela jaana.

Fa go ya go agiwa jaana, ke moduduetso o mogolo mo kgaolong ya rona ka gore sepatela se rraetsho se tlile go thusa batho ba le bantsi thata.
Sepatela se rraetsho batho ba kgaolo ya me ba ntse ba se emetse le dikgaolo tse di mabapi le Letlhakeng.

Rraetsho, a e re mo ngwageng one o fa go ka palega, segolo ngwaga o o tlang, go ye go agiwa sepatela se gore batho bagarona ba tle ba thusege.

Re sale re tshegeditswe ke Scottish bogologolo mme le rona re batla gore re nne le tsa rona gore re tle re ikalafe le bagarona gaufi, e seng go tlhola ba ntse ba tsaya mosepele le fa ba ka bo ba ne ba alafiwa mo Letlhakeng e le gore ditsompelo ga dio.
Ke go leboga thata Minister Dikoloti gore o bo o buile ka bogolwane o le Tona wa Botsogo.

Ba ne ba go reeditse Batswana rra.

Rraetsho, ke se ke neng ke re ke tle ke se lebogele.

15 Hansard No 205Wednesday 9th March, 2022ORGANISATION 1100 – MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND WELLNESS Committee of Supply (Resumed Debate) Ke gakolole rraetsho ka clinics tse re di solofeditsweng.
Malwelwe le Boatlaname di solofeditswe clinics jaanong ka ke itse gore madi ga a yo, fa re ka a bona re tle re eme, re age dilo tse ka gore re di solofeditse Batswana, ba batla gore di agiwe.

Bagaetsho, re na le mathata a dipilisi.

Jaaka ke ntse ke bua, ga gona chemists kwa kgaolong e ke e emetseng.

Re beile sengwe le sengwe kwa clinics mme jaanong fa o ya teng Mr Chairperson, o bo o fitlhela e le gore ga gona dipilisi tsa high blood le sukiri, ke mathata fela.
Ke ne ke kopa Tona gore ema ka dinao, re a itse gore o a leka.

Ema ka dinao gore dipilisi di nne teng ka gore ke botshelo.

Mogolo fa a tlhola a sa nwa pilisi ya high blood kana ya sukiri o ya go e tsaya kae ka gore re dirile jalo gore re ba tlhokomele.

Jaanong Mr Chairperson, ke ne ke kopa gore a dikgaolo tsa rona tse di kwa teng, di se ka tsa tshwantshanngwa le tse di ka kwano ka gore fa o le molwetse o sa bone pilisi eo kwa Marina, o ka kgona go e ithekela kwa chemist.
Jaanong rona kwa Salajwe, Motokwe, Malwelwe, Maratswane kana Moshaweng, re ya go di bona kae?

Ke ne ke go kopa rraetsho ka boikokobetso gore a dipilisi di nne teng gore batho bagarona ba thusege.

Batho ba rona ba se ka ba nna malatsi ba sa nwe dipilisi ka gore gatwe fa o sa nwe pilisi ya high blood, o nna le mathata a a tlhatlaganeng.

Ke boa ke ipoeletsa ka sepatela sa Letlhakeng ke re morwa Dikoloti, fa ke ka go bona ke tla go tshwara ke go atla, ga ke itse gore ke tla go atla go fitlhelela fa kae.
Ke a leboga Mr Chairperson.

OF MINISTER ASSISTANT YOUTH EMPOWERMENT, SPORT AND CULTURE DEVELOPMENT (MR BILLY): Ke a leboga Modulasetilo.

E bile fa o mpitsa ke ne ke santse ke ngongorega gore o kare ke a lebalwa, Kably o ntirile jang tota.

Tla ke lebogele Rraetsho Dikoloti gore a bo a re beile pele kopo e ya madi.

Kopo e e lebane Modulasetilo ka gore tota fa o ka lebelela matshwenyego a re nang le one, ke a a pateletsang gore re bo re dumalana le gore madi a a kana a bo a ka fiwa Lephata le la Botsogo.
Pele fa ke bua ka mathata a re nang le one, ke leke go tlhalosa ka fa lephata le berekileng ka teng le dirisa madi a budget e e fetileng.

Lephata le go ne ga supagala gore ba tlhoafetse ka gore ba ne ba kgona go lwantsha segajaja se sa COVID-19, le fa se ise se fele mme maiteko a nnile teng.

Ke mongwe wa batho ba ba neng ba amiwa ke bolwetse jo ka kgwedi ya February, ka ya go robatswa kwa Sir Ketumile.
Ke ne ka itumelela ka fa ba ntsereng ka teng ka gore ke tsere nako e telelenyana 16 teng go ise go tle mekento.

Ke dumela gore treatment e ke neng ke e neelwa fa e le gore e ne ya neelwa batho ka bontsi, re bolokile matshelo a batho ba le bantsi tota.

Seo ke a se go lebogela Rraetsho Dikoloti le monnao gore le tshware ka thata; e a re batho ba filwe boikarabelo jo bo kana ba bo supe.

Ke a lemoga rraetsho gore le ne le berekela under pressure go le dikgalo tse di supang gore le a palelwa.
Motho yo o palelwang ke yo o dirang.

Le kamoso le tshware fela thata, le supe boikarabelo jone jo bo kana joo.

Rraetsho, a re lebelele gore go diragala eng kwa toropong ya Francistown.

Banana go lebega ba le bantsi ba sa kentiwa kwa toropong eo, segolo jang mokento wa bobedi le wa boraro wa booster.

Ke ne ke re gone foo tlang ka strategies tse le ka di dirisang to attract banana gore ba kgatlhegele go ya go ikenta.
Le ditlhaloso e nne tse di tseneletseng gore ba bone mosola wa go ikenta ka gore bontsi jwa bone bo gogela kwa morago.

O a itse gore banana ba na le dikeletso tsa bone, tse gantsi di farologaneng le tsa bagolo.

O itse fa o na le kgwetlho yone eo kwa toropong kgolo ya Francistown.

Rraetsho, kana e ne e ya re mo malobeng mo National Development Plan (NDP) 9 and 10, lephata la gago le ne la bua gore le ikaeletse gore le emise health posts mo ditoropong.
Re na le health post kwa Area L le Area S mme dikgaolwana tse ke buang ka tsone tse di mo toropong rraetsho, di mo Kgaolong ya Francistown East.

Fa o ka ya teng fela wa lebelela service ya teng, e kwa tlase thata.

Fa gongwe ga e bakiwe ke gore dipalo tsa baoki di a tlhaela, e bakwa fela ke gore fa go berekelwang teng go lekane gore go ka bo go direlwa tiro e e kanakana mo space sone se se kalonyana seo.
A health posts rraetsho di fetoge jaaka o ne o tshepisitse and upgrade them e nne clinics ka gore di mo toropong.

Letlhoko la clinics mo toropong le kwa godimo thata.

Ke tlaa re mo nakong yone e ke go kope gape gore o lebelele gore clinics tse dingwe mo toropong ya Francistown, can you not upgrade and make them 24-hour clinics?

Ke lebeletse clinic ya Boikhutso mo Satellite South, e e leng gore batho ba ba tlang mo go yone, ba tswa kwa Blocks, Selepa, Coloured le New Stance.
So dipalo tse fa ke di bua o bua ka New Stance fela, ke palo e e seng kana ka sepe.

Kana fa batho ba ya clinics ga ba ye teng ba re ke constituency ya East, South kana West, ba ya kwa go nang le services tse di tshwanetseng teng.

Itse fa clinic e go tlhokafala gore re ka e atolosa ra e dira 24-hour.
Se sengwe gape ke gore kana mo ditogamaanong tse di fetileng gape, re ne ra supa le fa ke santse ke le Mayor wa toropo ya Francistown gore re tlhokana le primary Hansard No 205Wednesday 9th March, 2022ORGANISATION 1100 – MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND WELLNESS Committee of Supply (Resumed Debate) hospital mo Francistown, not Francistown East but Francistown.
E ne ya fiwa lefelo kwa Gerald mme fa ke bua le wena jaana, ga ke itse gore tlhaloso e ke e tlhalosetsang baagi ba toropo ya Francistown, ke ba raya ke reng ka kgang e ya primary hospital e e neng e tshwanetse go agiwa mo Gerald.

Ga ke na karabo jaaka ke bua le wena jaana.

Ke dumela gore le wena karabo fa o e araba ga ke utlwe ya gago sentle, ga e a tlhatswega gore o re tlhalosetse tota gore gatwe mathata ke eng.

Kana ga o ka ke wa bua ka population kwa Francistown, wa re population e a letla.
Batho ba ba akolang dithuso kana services ya clinics mo Francistown, ga o bale ba ba mo toropong fela, ba ba mo Francistown East fela, kana Francistown West or South, re balela le ba ba kwa ntle, the greater Francistown; ba bo Tati Siding, ShasheMooke, ba thusiwa mo Francistown.

So ke ne ke re fa e le gore bothata e ne e le dipalo, itse fa dipalo di letla gore mo nakong ya gompieno, primary hospital e ka bo e agilwe mo Francistown rraetsho.
Ke kope rraetsho gore le fa re akanyetsa go oketsa nurses, a re itse fa letlhoko la nurses le le le tona thata mo Francistown, segolo jang re lebeletse nurses ba ba mo Nyangabwe le mo clinics tsa Francistown East, West and South.

Se sengwe rraetsho, a re lebeleleng gore kante ke eng o kare dipalo tsa batho ba ba amiwang ke malwetse a a sa tlhakanelweng o kare di a gola, di ka tswa di dirwa ke eng?
A mme di ka tswa di dirwa ke lifestyle, ka fa re tshelang ka teng gompieno, kana di ka tswa di dirwa gongwe ke dijo tse re di jang gompieno.

Go nne le tshekatsheko ya go batlisisa gore tota go diragala eng o kare high blood pressure di goletse kwa godimo, diabetes, batho ba ba lwalang bolwetse jwa sukiri le bone ba nna ba ntsi, batho ba ba nang le bothata jwa mental health le ba ba tlhokang dikotla mo mmeleng, ba nna ba ntsi le gone.
A re tlhalosetswe gore totatota matsapa di ka tswa di a tsaya kae fa e le gore diemo tse di nna jaana.

So ke dingwe Tona tse ke eletsang gore le ka di sekaseka, la dira tshekatsheko e e tseneletseng go batlisisa gore malwetse a ka maloba re ne re kgona o kare re a laola, go ka dirwa jang go tokafatsa gore malwetse a a ye kwa tlase.

Dipilisi rraetsho mo clinics tsa Francistown ga di yo.

Kwa Nyangabwe go tlhomola pelo, le yone melemo fela ga e yo.
Operations jaaka ke bua le wena jaana, go dirwa gangwefela, kana ga go sa tlhole go dirwa gotlhelele ka lebaka la gore ga go na melemo.

Dingaka di berekela mo environment e e leng gore tota fa o le ngaka, o rutuntshitswe sentle, o ka tshaba go berekela mo go yone.

Ka gore fa o tshwere motho ka pelo ya lorato, le ethics tsa tiro ya bongaka, ga o ka ke wa ba wa tswelela o dira operations go na le dilo tse di tlhaelang.
Matlho mo Francistown, batho ba sale ba nna mo waiting list, go lebaka jaanong, ba bangwe ba felela ba foufala e le gore ba tlhokana le go ka thusiwa.

Toropo e e tshwanang le ya Francistown rraetsho, go na le bothata jo bontsi ka gore batho ba teng itsholelo ya bontsi jwa bone e kwa tlase.

Gongwe e kare re lebelela re bo re re, kana re bala dipatela tsa matlho, re bo re balela le tse di private, itse fa bokgoni jwa go ya dipateleng tse di private mo bathong bontsi jwa bone ba Francistown, ga ba kgone.
Lebelela kgaolo e e tshwanang le kwa Coloured, Newstance, Donga, Itekeng, Area S, o bo o lebelela e e tshwanang le Pelotelele, dikgaolo tse ke go di balelang tse Tona, ke gore bontsi jwa batho bao, itsholelo ya bone e fa gare kana e kwa tlase.

Ga go na itsholelo e gotweng e kwa godimo mo dikgaolong tse.

Sone seo, ga re ka ke ra ikaega ka private facilities ka gore ba lopa madi a mantsi fela thata.
Kana Puso ya rona tota is a welfare Government, so go botlhokwa gore fa re e fa dithuso kwa Ministry of Local Government re itse fa le tse dingwe tse di ka tshidisang batho botoka ka fa re eletsang gore ba tshidisiwe ka teng, di tlhokafala.

Ela tlhoko sepatela sa Nyangabwe, se tsenye leitlho fela thata rraetsho.

Ke a leboga Modulasetilo.

MR MOTSAMAI (GHANZI SOUTH): Ke a go leboga Mr Chairperson.

Nte ke tsene ka boripana mo dikgannyeng tsa botsogo.
Ke supe fela gore ga ke na go fela lentswe ke bua ka kgang ya sepatela kwa Charles Hill se se ka bidiwang primary hospital.

E bile ga ke na go fela lentswe gore sone seo se sutele sepatela sa Gantsi se bidiwe district hospital.

Mr Chairperson, ke bua jaana e le gore re na le seemo se se tlhobaetsang, se se sa jeseng monate mo dikgaolong tsa rona tsa Gantsi, bogolo jang mo botsogong jwa batho.

Re na le matshwenyego a matona fela thata.


Mr Chairperson, fa ke sena go bua ka sepatela se se tshwanetseng gore se agiwe kwa kgaolong e e tshwanang le ya Charles Hill, ke tsaya gore re se tsentse mo plan, ke re Tona, a ko le re utlwele botlhoko motho wa batho, re sale re ledile ka dikgang tse di farologaneng, re leka gore re utlwe ka fa re neng re le utlwa ka teng.
E bile dikgaolo tse tsa rona tsa Gantsi, Kgalagadi Kweneng le Okavango jalojalo, ke rona batho fela ba e leng gore le le Matona e ne e re le ya teng, le tlhabelwa dinama, le tsenyediwa dikhwaere, le binelwa, le itumelelwa.

17 Hansard No 205Wednesday 9th March, 2022ORGANISATION 1100 – MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND WELLNESS Committee of Supply (Resumed Debate) Ao!

Batho ba ne ba le itumelela go le kanakana, ke eng le sa supe tanki Tona?
Gone moo re ne re supa lerato, tshwaragano, le go le etleetsa gore le tsweledise lefatshe.

Jaanong ke nako ya lona gore you should pay back mo maitekong a batsadi ba rona ba a dirileng.

Tona, fa o utlwa ke bua jaana, mo kgaolong ya Charles Hill re na le clinic, mme fa o tsaya dilo tse di tshwanang le scan, x-ray, ga go bereke.
Gore o bo o ka bona dilo tseo, ke gore o tsamae 203 kilometres (km) o ye Gantsi fa o tswa mo Charles Hill, mme e le gore o ya Gantsi jaana ka lemalamana, gongwe o tlhasetswe ke bolwetse jo mo tseleng bo felelang bo go tsaya.

Ke dilo tse le tshwanetseng gore le di tsenye leitlho.

Clinics and health posts mo kgaolong ya Ghanzi South a go bonwe gore le tsone di tsholediwe, di ntshiwe mo maemong ao a health posts e nne clinics tse di tletseng.
Clinic ya Nxojane, Kalkfontein, Charles Hill, ke mother clinics, di di tona, a go bonwe gore di na le ditsompelo, booki, mantlo, le bodiredi jo bo lekanyeng.

Le go agiwa, ba agelwe clinics tse disha tse di ka itepatepanyang le diemo, ka e bile ya Charles Hill e le clinic e e leng gore e tsenwa le ke bahiti ka tsela ba ba fetelang mo mafatsheng a re bapileng le one.
Ke tshwanetse gore ke supe gore rona re le ba UDC fa re bua ka botsogo, ga re bue fela ka dikago, maitlamo a rona a UDC fa re ne re bua ka botsogo, re ne re bua gore le fa e le mogoafatshe, fa o tsentse ditsompelo tse di lekaneng, go na le ngaka, dipilisi, melemo, go dirwa x-rays and scans, go dirwa dilo tse di farologaneng tsa botsogo jwa segompieno, golo moo re ka go bitsa sepatela, kana clinic fela ka gore go na le quality service e e bonalang mo teng.
Tumelo ya rona ke gore le tsone dipatela tota ra re Goromente o ka bo a nna strategic go anamisa dipatela le bongaka, gongwe kwa Mmadinare gotwe nnyaa fa o batla go alafelwa tsebe, sepatela se se tona se butswe kwa Mmadinare, o isiwa kwa Mmadinare.

Fa o batla go alafelwa dinko, o isiwe kwa Shoshong; for matlho o isiwe kwa Kanye.

Ke baya dikai tse di ntseng jalo gore lona ba le ... (silence)... MR CHAIRPERSON: You are now Honourable Motsamai?

inaudible MR MOTSAMAI: Mr Chairperson.


MR CHAIRPERSON: Yes, now you are audible.

MR MOTSAMAI: Ee, they mute us.

Mr Chairperson, dikgaolo tse o utlwang ke bua ka ga tsone tse, kana fa ke bua ka dipatela tse di faphegileng, ke raya go dirwa ditlhabololo kwa go tsone.

Jaanong ba bangwe ba ba lelang, ga ke itse gore a motho e kare a na le tlala, a lela, o re ke a go tsholela, le ene a bo a boa gape a lelela gore o a tsholelwa.

Jaanong o batla eng Mr Chairperson fa a ntse jaaka Molebatsi?
Yo mongwe a re ke bue sentle ka Shoshong; ke bua sentle, ka re go dirwe sepatela se se tlhabologileng, se isiwe gone koo, Batswana ba bone ditlamelo.

Mr Chairperson, ke tshwanetse ke supe gore re na le matshwenyego re le ba dikgaolo tsa bo Ghanzi jalojalo, a gore bagolo, batsadi ba rona ba ba diretseng lefatshe le, go tsewa nako ya gore ba thusiwe fa ba lwala.
Motho o tlaa nna a tlisiwa gotwe nnyaa, o referred kwa Marina, a busiwa ngwaga otlhe, dingwaga tse tharo go ya kwa go tse four, ya bo four ngwaga go bo gotwe kana jaanong o godile, ga re ka ke ra go operate, fa e le gore ga a ise a tlhokafale.

Fa a tlhokafetse jaanong, go raya gore o tlaabo a tlhokafetse Mr Chairperson.

Kgang e ya go tlosolosa bogolo jang mo bagoding, go tlosolosa go thusiwa ga bone, go re bakela mathata, re latlhegelwa ke masika le ditsala Mr Chairperson.
Go botlhokwa thata gore batsadi, bogolo jang ba dikgaolo tsa Ghanzi South ba thusiwe, ba ba tswang mo settlements tse di tshwanang le bo Xade, East/West Hanahai, Bere- Kacgae, Chobokwane le New Xanagas.

Mr Chairperson, ke ne ke utlwa mongwe a bua puo e o ka reng ke ya lesotlo, mme e bile gongwe e ne e dule mo tseleng, mme ga ke na go tsena thata mo dikgannyeng tsa gagwe.

Ke raya Rre Moatlhodi.

Se ke ka se mo gakololang fela ke gore Rre Moatlhodi, tshwenyane e e boboa bontlha e a ikilela, ga e ilelwe.
Jaanong fa o re bua ka fa o re buang ka teng re le UDC, o re senya, o bo o itshuputsa ka fa o itshuputsang ka teng, o itlhole ka fa o buang ka teng.

Ke go gakolole gore mosima o o duleng kgomo, ga o ke o thijwa ka bobi jwa segokgo.

Ke go gakolole selo se Rre Moatlhodi.

Ke bo ke wetse ka puo ya gore phomphokwe yo o maithukutho mabe o iphatlha ka diphuka e le tsa gagwe.

MR BOKO: Clarification.

Thank you Honourable Motsamai, ke go utlwile sentle.
Ke ipotsa gore is it the same Pono Moatlhodi yo o neng a dumela mo manifesto wa UDC fa a ya ditlhophong tsa 2019, a itshuputsa mo mmung, a bidikama, rona e bile re tsaya gore gongwe o na le matimone?

Is it the same person gompieno jaanong yo o tlhanogelang one manifesto wa UDC, a re roga, a re leswefatsa a dira sengwe le sengwe?

Kana nako ya teng e bile ke ne ke tshogile ke re gongwe motho o na le matimone.

Is he the same person?


18 Hansard No 205Wednesday 9th March, 2022ORGANISATION 1100 – MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND WELLNESS Committee of Supply (Resumed Debate) HONOURABLE MEMBER: Nnyaa, go raya gore o ne a sa dumele, o ne a ipatlela post.

MR MOTSAMAI: Ee rra.

Le nna o a nkgakgamatsa gore kana yone phathi e a e sotlang e, ke yone e e a neng a dirisa manifesto wa yone go tsena mo Palamenteng, go ipapatsa, batho ba mo utlwa, ba bo ba mo reetsa ka o ne a dirisa maitlamo a phathi yone eo.
Jaanong gompieno o tsena mo internal affairs tsa UDC, o bua gore ga go na inner party democracy, ga go na eng.

The same Pono Moatlhodi, o ne a tswa kwa Domkrag, a bua gore ga go na inner party democracy, ga go na kgololesego, ga go na eng, a bo a ya kwa BNF, o boile kwa BNF jaanong o boela kwa BDP.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Point of order Mr Chairperson.

MR MOTSAMAI: Rre Moatlhodi, e bile o se ka ...(Interruptions)…o bo o nopola Baebele ka gore... MR CHAIRPERSON: What is out of order Honourable Minister?
ASSISTANT MINISTER OF AGRICULTURAL DEVELOPMENT AND FOOD SECURITY (MR MOLEBATSI): The order Mr Chairperson, ke gore ga a sa tlhole a debate se a tshwanetseng gore a se debate, o bua ka tsa diphathi jaanong.

A a debate health.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: O tlhoka se o ka se buang.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ke eng o ne o sa bue fa Moatlhodi a bua?

MR CHAIRPERSON: Honourable Molebatsi, nna ga ke ise ke utlwe.

MR MOTSAMAI: Ga ke mo tshwaye phoso Mr Chairperson, o a babalelwa.
O a babalelwa ke ka fa ke arabang Rre Moatlhodi ka teng.

Ke ne ke wela ka gore ke gakolole Rre Moatlhodi gore Baebele ga e dirisiwe mo go bueng ka sebe.

Ga e dirisiwe go tlhasela batho.

O a ineelela fa o dira jalo, ditsela tsa gago di tlaa fifala, di bo di tswalega, o tswalelwa kwa ntle ka purapura eo ya gago le boruti jwa gago.

So, o itlhole fa o bua ka Baebele, o se ka wa kopanya Baebele le dipolotiki.
Mr Chairperson, mme ke wela jaana, ke re Tona, ke go eme nokeng rraetsho mo mading a o a kopang gore o a neelwe, mme e bile a ka bo a okeditswe gape fa madi a ne a le teng, gore batho ba kgaolo ya me ya Ghanzi South ba thusege.

E ne e se gore ke dule mo tseleng, fa o le mo tseleng, go na le disana, ga re o di epolole, o di latlhele kwa jaaka dipuo tsa bo Rre Moatlhodi tse di lekang go latlha batho le go ithatisa boeteledipele.

Ke a leboga.
Ke a leboga.

OF MINISTER ASSISTANT LOCAL GOVERNMENT AND RURAL DEVELOPMENT (MR MODUKANELE): Ke go leboge Modulasetilo wa komiti e. Ke supe fela fa di tloga gore ke ema Minister Rre Dikoloti nokeng, ke re, Palamente e mo rebolele madi a a kopang Mr Chairperson.

Ke supe jaana fa ke simolola gore, Rraarona Rra Gaone, o kile a re lefatshe le le simololetse mo legoeleleng.

Fa go na le sector nngwe e re ka buang jalo, ke ya botsogo.
Re ne re sena se re nang le sone fa go simologa, mme re fa re leng teng gompieno.

Jaanong ke supe jalo gore maabane ke ne ka gakgamala go se kae, fa mongwe wa Mapalamente a ke a tlotlang, e bile ke itse gore ke motho yo o tlotlang profession ya botsogo e, e kete o bapa le boammaaruri.

Kana our primary health care strategy, ke selo se se re gorositseng fa re leng teng.

E bile mafatshe a mantsi a tswa kgakala a re tlotla for that.
We have been ranked the best in Africa if not in the world through the primary health care strategy se re neng re se dirisa Mr Chairperson.

Jaanong a e re gongwe fa re sa tlotle bopalamente jwa rona, re tlotle profession e Honourable Tshere ka gore, ke kwa bontsi jwa nako go buiwang facts, e seng emotive statements which cannot be backed by any facts whatsoever.
Ke ne ke re ke gakolole fela jalo gore Modulasetilo wa Komiti ya Botsogo mo Palamenteng, who is given that onerous responsibility, e bo e kete ke ene a ka tlang a timetsa setšhaba sa Botswana, nnyaa, the Honourable Member, a re se ka ra rialo.

Fa go na le mathata, profession ya gago e go tlama gore go back and search for facts, o bo o tla o bua, o tlisa se e leng facts, e seng sepe fela gape.
Ke gakolola jalo gore le wena Gobotswang, o se ka ya tla ya re o tsena, o bo o bapa le boammaaruri ka gore, ke tsaya gore o mongwe wa batho ba ba tshwanetseng gore ba nne ba bua facts when you are talking this particular discipline.

Ke fete eo, ke bo ke boela kwa Kgaolong ya Lerala- Maunatlala Mr Chairperson.

Ke batla go kopa Minister gore, rotlhe ba re mo Palamenteng, re supile le ba ba setseng ba buile botlhe gore matlhoko a mantsi fa go tla mo dikgannyeng tsa botsogo.
Go ntse jalo, go bo go raya gore ke go kope Minister, gore you need to take these priorities, o di baya mo tafoleng and reprioritise the priorities themselves.

How do you do it?

That is 19 Hansard No 205Wednesday 9th March, 2022ORGANISATION 1100 – MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND WELLNESS Committee of Supply (Resumed Debate) the fundamental question e re tshwanetseng gore re e ipotse ka nako e e leng gore re dira jang fa tse tsotlhe e le priorities.
Re tshwanetse re lebe gore le fa re lekile mo go kanakana over the years, go na le kwa e leng gore letlhoko is so glaring, kwa go senang sepe gotlhelele.

Fa e le gore re tsaya ka constituencies di le 57, re bo re re ke efe e e senang a primary hospital as we speak le clinic e o ka e buang gore gongwe e gaufi le go ka a fa ditlamelo tse di rileng, Lerala-Maunatlala is number one, there is no primary hospital.
Clinics tse di leng kwa Lerala-Maunatlala, ke buile gangwe le gape ke tla ke supa gore balwetse ba rona kwa bo Ratholo le Majwaneng, fa ba tsena bosigo ba a busiwa gotwe ga re a theogela Mr Chairperson.

Ba bo ba siana, fa gongwe ba sianela kwa bo Tumasera, unfortunately ba bangwe ba le babedi ba le bararo, a bo Modimo o ba ikgapela mo tseleng.
Mr Chairperson, I am saying this ke bua on behalf of ba Lerala-Maunatlala, ba ba tlholang ba nthaya ba re kopa Rre Dikoloti le Rre Lelatisitswe ba tle kwano, re tle re lebagane le bone mo matlhong re bue dilo tse.

Ka go ise go kgonagale Mr Chairperson, I want to talk to these issues.

Fa o utlwa ke re we need to prioritise and find the criteria of prioritising; initially re ne re rile Motswana o tshwanetse a bone botsogo within a radius e e rileng… HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ke kopa tlhaloso.
MR MODUKANELE: …dilo di fetogile mme re tshwanetse go ipotsa gore, a fa motho a tsamaya close to 100 kilometres go bona a primary hospital, a ruri ke fa re le mo tseleng Mr Chairperson, and my answer will be no.

Ke batla go boela kwa kgannyeng ya RESET Agenda Mr Chairperson, ke e bue within the context of health.
Fa re bua ka Tlhomo Ntšha ya ga Tautona le mind-set change, it is challenging us gore the way we have been doing things, the conventional thinking of delivering health, we have to revisit it and redo a lot of thinking Mr Chairperson, gore re ka dira eng gore lefatshe le le bone botsogo mme re dirisa letlhoko le re leng mo go lone.

There is no two ways about it, re mo letlhokong, it is a fact.

What is it that we can do to deliver quality health, ka bonnyennyane jo re nang le jone.
That is what efficiency is all about, we do the best with the little that we have to deliver, se kwa bofelong jwa letsatsi Mr Chairperson, will be seen to be responding to the needs tsa batho ba tshwana ba Kgaolo ya Lerala-Maunatlala.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarity Mr Chairperson.

MR MODUKANELE: Mr Chairperson, gape ke batla gore fa re bua ka mind-set change, ga re sa tlhole re le in the 80s, early 90s or mid-90s.
Re mo leshekereng gompieno, le le tsetsweng ke dilo tse dintsi including COVID ya maabane e re ntseng re le mo go yone le gompieno Mr Chairperson.

Therefore, the way we have been delivering things has to change as a matter of necessity, and the way we have been thinking about issues and things has to change as a matter of necessity.

How do we do that?

Fa e le gore re ntse re aga ka gore re dirisa madi a le teng, ga a yo letsatsi leno.

We have to see how best we deliver, ka models tse di ntseng jang.
A ke Public Private Partnership (PPP) kana ka bo eng, and I want to urge this Honourable House gore a re simololeng go dirisa the private sector to deliver a lot of public services which hitherto, re ntse re di isa (deliver) ka tsela nngwe Mr Chairperson.

I think the health sector should be a priority when it comes to that thinking.
Mr Chairperson, nako ya me ka ke e e a tšhaya ke batla go bua gore, my thinking ke gore tse di neng di le mo National Development Plan (NDP) 11, should really as a necessity, be the priorities mo NDP 12 because we made a commitment consciously gore, re ya go dira one, two, three.

We have an obligation Modulasetilo to honour those.
Ke one a ke reng, a re diriseng different modalities and thinking to deliver tsone tse, ka gore the way we have been thinking and doing things hitherto, gongwe ga e ka ke ya dira gore gompieno ka gore dilo di fetogile, re kgone to deliver dilo tseo Mr Chairperson.

Ke wele ka gore Mr Chairperson, ke simolotse ka gore re tshwanetse gore nako tsotlhe re nne re leka go atumela boammaaruri thata.
Fa e le gore gompieno gongwe dilo kwa le kwa ga go nne sentle, go nna le ba ba tlhokafalang fale le fale, a re lekeng to interrogate the situation re bone gore tota go tsalwa ke eng, re bo re ka tsaya a corrective measure go baakanya seemo seo.

Not to make emotive, unfounded, un-researched statements, re bo re re ke gone.

That is cheap political nnetane which will not take us far.

Mosima o o sa tsalweng ke boammaaruri ga o boteng Mr Chairperson, very soon it will be filled up.
Ba Mahalapye West Rre Tshere, ga o ka tsaya tsela eo e tlaa re mo nakong e khutshwanyane ba bo ba tlhobogile gore golo mo ga se boammaaruri, ga se motho yo o ka ikanyegang a sa bue boammaaruri Mr Chairperson.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Batswapong ba a lela, o a boka ka fa mme ditlamelo le ditirelo ga diyo.

20 Hansard No 205Wednesday 9th March, 2022ORGANISATION 1100 – MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND WELLNESS Committee of Supply (Resumed Debate) MR MODUKANELE: Mr Chairperson, ke ne ke re ke fete fela ka one ao.
Minister, re go eme nokeng, ra re madi a o a neelwe o ye go dira ditiro.

O tshware fela jaaka o ntse o tshwere, re go lebogile thata ka fa o tshwereng ka thata ka teng ka segajaja sa COVID.

You need to be applauded for that, e bile Batswana ba bone tiro e ntlentle e o e dirileng.

Ka one ao re go eme nokeng, e bile ra re a madi ao o a neelwe Honourable Minister.

Ke a leboga Modulasetilo.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible)… MR MODUKANELE: Moswaane, wa bo o leka eng jaanong?
“EXCHANGE OF SPEAKERSHIP” MR CHAIRPERSON (MR MOATLHODI): Le tlaa lwa kwa Tswapong, mo itshwarele Minister.

Motlotlegi Mopalamente wa Takatokwane, Honourable Tshoganetso Friction Leuwe, Rraagwe Kopano.

MR LEUWE (TAKATOKWANE): Ke a leboga Modulasetilo, good afternoon Rraagwe Nkamo.

Mma ke tseye motsotso o ke leboge Tona, ke bo ke supe go ke go ema nokeng ka kopo ya gago Dr Dikoloti.
Ke mo ema nokeng ke na le le dintlha dingwe tse ke eletsang gore a tle a itebaganye le tsone bogolo jang tse di amang Kgaolo ya Takatokwane.

Kgang ya me ya ntlha ke go mo lebogela sepatela se Honourable Liakat Kablay a buileng ka sone ka botswapelo.

Fela jaaka honourable a buile, sepatela seo tota ga se sa Letlhakeng, se tlaabo se anametse kgaolo yotlhe e e ka kwa bophirima jwa Mokwena le gone kwa Mokwena tota.
Re ka leboga thata fa go ka diragala jalo, e tlaa re fa a go atla le nna ke tlaa mo thusa go go atla rraetsho.

O tlaabo o e lole, ka gore e bile re na le tsela fela e tona e e tswang koo e ya kwa bo Gantsi e e dirisiwang ke batho ba le bantsi le bajanala ba ba yang kwa Khutse.

Sepatela seo se ka re sologela molemo thata rraetsho, fa go ka diragala.

Ke eletsa go supa gore mo Kgaolong ya Takatokwane, ke na le seemo se ke eletsang gore Tona a se ele tlhoko thata.
Go lebega mo kgaolong ya rona re santse re na le dingaka tse gotweng ke tsa expatriates, mme fa o lebelela ditso tsa rona kwa re tswang teng re na le dingaka fela tsa mo gae, ba ba a neng ba tlhaba dingwaga di le pedi, tharo motho a bo a tšhaisa.

Tota mabaka a matona e le gore, dituelo tsa bone Tona di farologana thata go menagane le tsa ba ba tswang ka kwa ntle.

E bile go lebega ba ba tswang ka kwa ntle ba, o kare jaanong ga ba na kutlwelobotlhoko mo bathong, bogolo jang mo kgaolong ya me.
Ke na le selelo se setona thata ka bongaka joo.

Batswana bone ba ka nna le kutlwelobotlhoko thata mo Batswaneng ba ga bone, ka gore ke bagabone.

Keletso ya me ke gore re lebelele gore a nako ga e ise e goroge Tona, gore re tseye dingaka tse tsa rona ba mo gae, ba re senyegetsweng mo go ba ruteng, ba amogela madi a a amogelwang ke ba ba tswang kwa ntle.

Re thibe diphatlha tse, e nne bana ba mo gae ba berekang mono, ba ke dumelang gore ba na le kutlwelobotlhoko fa ba alafa batsadi ba bone fa ba sa tsoga.
Ke dumela gore nako e fetile ya gore re bo re ntse re tsaya dingaka ka kwa ntle ka fa re nang le dingaka tse dintsi ka teng bogolo jang mo kgaolong e e tshwanang le ya me rraetsho, ke kopa gore go nne jalo.

Ga ke ba ile, ga ke ba fufagalele mme fela dikgato tse ba di tsayang ga di nkgotsofatse, e bile ga di kgotsofatse le boeteledipele jo ke nang le jone ka kwa, ka gore ba a mpolelela le bone, le batho ba ikuela gore o kare ga ba ba tseye ka fa go tshwanetseng ka teng.
Ga ke batle go ntsha ka leina gore kwa kae, mme gone go teng go a diragala mo Kgaolong ya Takatokwane.

Ke kopa gore seo se tsibogelwe thata Tona.

Tona, clinics tsotlhe tse di mo kgaolong ya Takatokwane, ga go na epe kwa ntle ga ya Maboane fela e e mo seemong se se kgatlhisang.

Ga go na clinic epe e e kgatlhisang go tswa fela kwa Tsetseng go ya go felela kwa Sorilatholo.

Botsogo bo tla pele Motlotlegi Tona ya Botsogo.


O tshwanetse gore seemo sa ntlo e o yang go kopa thuso kwa go yone ya botsogo, e nne yone e go alafang fa o e leba ka matlho a gago.

Fa e re o leba fela o bo o bona disenke di wa, mabati a sa tswalega a jelwe ke metsi kwa tlase, o ipotsa gore a mme tota o tla ya go bona thuso e o e solofetseng?
Kopo ke gore mo lemmeng le la gago rraetsho, taboga o bone gore clinics tse di mo kgaolong ya Takatokwane o di tsenya mo seemong se e leng gore motho mongwe le mongwe e kare fa a ya kwa go yone, a nna le Tsholofelo, a bo a nna le pholo ntateng ya go bona fela ka fa structure se ntseng ka teng.

Dikoloi; mafelo a kgaolo ya Takatokwane a kgaogane, ga go motlhofo go cluster mafelo a teng ka dikoloi jaaka gompieno re dira.

Dikoloi tsa clinics gompieno jaana, they are almost all down.
Ga go na dipe tse di berekang, ntateng ya ditsela tse di sa siamang le gore go bo gotwe they are clustered.

Fa motho a le kwa Sorilatholo a sa tsoga bosigo ka gore bolwetse jone ga bo na nako, go bo go lelediwa kwa Khudumelapye, mo gongwe e tsere 21 Hansard No 205Wednesday 9th March, 2022ORGANISATION 1100 – MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND WELLNESS Committee of Supply (Resumed Debate) yo o nneng a le kwa Khudumelapye e ile Molepolole kgotsa Letlhakeng.

Seemo seo ga se re beye sentle Tona.


Ga se seemo se re neng re se tlwaetse fa moragonyana fale fa clinics di santse di le kwa Local Government.

Re ne re itse sentle gore clinic nngwe le nngwe e na le koloi ya yone.

Fa seemo seo se ka boela, ke dumela gore botsogo bo tlaabo bo tlhabologile.

Ke amogela megala Tona e e tswang mo batlhophing ba me ba ba robaditsweng kwa sepateleng sa Molepolole gore ba bolawa ke serame ba a sitwa.

E bile ba tlhapa le ka metsi a a tsididi.


Ba boleletswe gore ba itlele ka diketlele tse ke ipotsang gore go tlaa itse mang gore di borai go le kae gore di ya go diga motlakase.

Ke dumela gore go tlaabo go sa re siamela, ga e ka ke ya re o ya kwa sepatela go bo gotwe o itlele ka ketlele.

A seemo seo se tsibogelwe le sone sa dikobo.

Sepatela sa Molepolole se se tona, se okametse kgaolo yotlhe ya Mokwena.

Kopo ya ga Leuwe ke gore, a go leke go tsibogelwa kgang eo.
Re na le bothata le lephata le, ka bodiredi jo bo tlhaelang.

Bodiredi bo isiwa go sele.

Motho a ne a le foo go itsiwe gore o lebagane le dipilisi tsa Antiretroviral (ARV), a bo a sa emisediwe.

Batho ba setse ba tlwaetse gore ba tseela dipilisi foo, go bo go raya gore o emisediwa ka yo a sa ithutuntshang jaaka ene.

Go bo go raya gore bale ba ARV ga go ba sologele molemo ka gore yo o tsileng, still ga a kgone go ba thusa.

Ga go na transport e e tsayang batho ba ya kwa e leng gore go ka iwa teng.
Mo gongwe go solofediwa gore go tlaa tliwa ka mobiles, but ga go kgonagale ntateng ya go tlhoka transport e ke neng ke bua ka yone Tona.

Tona, re na le seemo se se tona thata sa motlakase o gotweng o rekwa ka units in the clinics.

Gompieno fa ke bua jaana, re na le about two, three weeks motlakase o seyo kwa clinic ya Salajwe.

Salajwe ke bua ka motse o motona o o nang le junior school.

Ka tshwanelo, o tshwanetse go nna le bodiredi mo clinic.
Batho ga ba a kenta this booster jab ka gore melemo ya teng e boile ka ntata ya gore motlakase ga o yo.

Gatwe o rekwa ka units, go tsaya two, three weeks gore units tseo di ye go rekwa Tona, di tsenngwe kwa Salajwe clinic.

Kopo ya ga Leuwe ke gore, fa go na le thulaganyo nngwe e e ka dirwang e le botoka, a e se ka ya re kamoso ra bona clinic epe mo kgaolong ya Takatokwane e le lefifi, motlakase o le teng.

Go sa rekwa units jaaka go ne go diragala kwa Salajwe.
Go tsaya three weeks motlakase o seyo, bo Kgosi ba letsa, patients di letsa, “re ne re re re ya go tsaya lemao la tlaleletso, ga re a le fitlhela ntateng ya gore motlakase ga o yo.” Tona, transfers tsa baoki; ke dumela gore fa go na le lephata lengwe which transfers sentle ka nako, ke la gago la Health.

Ga ba diege but boeteledipele o kare bo a ne bo tsaya lebaka mo go feleletsang jaanong bo agile foo.

E nna jaaka e kare motho o laola a le kwa lelwapeng.
Fa e ne e le gore le jone bo a tsibogelwa gore bo fetolwe ka lebaka le le khutshwane, e tle e re yo o tlang a tle ka administration e e botoka e ntšha.

Ke ne ke tsamaile le Mothusa Tona kwa clinic ya Motokwe, re ne ra fitlhela e le gore e rile bosigo fa go utlwiwa gore Tona o e tla, ga lala go pagangwe kwa godimo ga disanke go kokotelwa, go pentiwa.

O kgona go bona fela gore mo ke ga segologolo mo go neng gotwe mogolo o e tla, ipaakanyeng.
Go ne go itshupa gore dilo tseo ga di diragale ka fa go tshwanetseng ka teng.

Fa o re o lebagana le mogolo yo o okametseng batho bao, o bo o sa utlwe karabo fela e e nonofileng go supa gore ke eng se se dirang gore go nne jaana.

Kopo ya ga Leuwe ke gore, fa go na le sengwe sa maintenance se se dirwang, a le kwa Kgotleng botsadi bo itsisiwe gore go tlaa dirwa sengwe.
E se ka ya re bosigo ke bo ke amogela mogala o tla ka Kgosi gore, re bona batho ba pagame clinic kwa godimo mme re belaela gore ba dira jaana ka gore gatwe Minister o tsoga a tla.

Maduo a go pagama bosigo, fa re tsena fela jaana, Minister o sale a a bona.

Go lebega go na le mongwe yo o tsayang madi gore o baakantse mme go sena sepe se se dirilweng.

Kopo ya ga Leuwe ke gore, dithulaganyo tse di ntseng jaana, a di salwe morago Tona, di se ka tsa tloga tsa re baya ka fa mosing.
La bofelo Tona, ke ema kopo ya gago ya madi nokeng gore tse tsotlhe tse ke ntseng ke di bua ka kgaolo ya Takatokwane mongwame, o ye go di tsibogela.

Le fa o ka se ka wa di dira tsotlhe, mme a motlhala wa gago kwa kgaolong ya Takatokwane e e kwa morago thata go feta dikgaolo tse dingwe, le rona re fokelwe ke phefonyana eo Tona Dikoloti.

Ke dumela gore moalafi re mmone Tona.

Ke a leboga Mr Chairperson, nako e nkeme offside.

Thank you.
Thank you.

DR TSHABANG (NKANGE): Thank you Mr Chairperson for the opportunity you gave me to respond to the Ministry of Health and Wellness budget.

They have been allocated the largest budget ya P10.1 billion for this financial year.

I take that they know very well that to who much is given, much is required.

Re raya fela gore we expect them to deliver a budget that is very, very…(inaudible)… We expect them to deliver the service that is up to standard with this kind of money.
They need to… 22 Hansard No 205Wednesday 9th March, 2022ORGANISATION 1100 – MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND WELLNESS Committee of Supply (Resumed Debate) MR CHAIRPERSON: Order!

Order!

Honourable Dr Tshabang, there was only one minute left which I forgot to explain to you, that you are taking a risk.

You will get a slot in another one e o ipeileng mo go yone.

Before I call on the Honourable Minister to respond, let us hear about the procedure.

MINISTER OF HEALTH AND WELLNESS (DR DIKOLOTI): Procedure.
Ke nna ke neng ke kopile procedure Mr Chairperson.

Ke go gakolola ka nako gore I am supposed to respond ka quarter past.

Thank you.

MR CHAIRPERSON: Thank you Honourable Minister.

Re e lemogile morena wa me, we are calling upon your good self, Honourable Minister, to reply to the debates.

MINISTER OF HEALTH AND WELLNESS (DR DIKOLOTI): Mma ke go leboge Monnasetilo.

Ke leboge Mapalamente, boTona, ka fa ba nkgwileng dikgaba ka teng mo pegong e ke ba e beileng pele.
Dikgang tsa botsogo ke itumelela gore re bo re di tshwaraganela ka fa le batlang re di tshwaraganela ka teng.

Boammaaruri jo bo leng teng ke gore, dikgang tsa botsogo ga di batle nna ga di nkame.

Ga di batle mo gotweng ke tlaa di okomela ka terata.

Di batla gore re di tshwaraganele ka gore botsogo ke jone konokono ya rona.
Monnasetilo, pele ga ke tsena mo dikgannyeng ke e kgwa Mapalamente dikgaba, ke alele dikgang tsa me ka gore re a itse thata gore dingwaga tse pedi tse di fetileng go ne go se motlhofo gotlhelele.

Go ne go le bokete, re ne re emisitse ditlhabololo tsotlhe tse o neng o ka di akanya, re tsere maatla otlhe re a isitse mo go reng re boloke botshelo jwa Motswana.
Re ne ra bona ka kgwedi ya Sedimonthole re nna le phitlhelelo fela ya se re sa bolong go se lwela thata ya katlego mo go gorogeng ga melemo, ka fa e neng e gorogile ka teng mo lefatsheng le la Botswana.

Re ne ra iphitlhela re gorogetswe ke melemo ka go farologana ga yone.

O tlaa tlhaloganya gape gore lefatshe le ke lengwe a mafatshe a a palo potlana le e leng gore le ne le dirisitse melemo ka go farologana.

Re ne re dirisitse melemo e ka tshwara merataro go bona gore re sireletsa tšhaba e ya Botswana.
Mo go yone theko ya melemo e, ke batla go leboga one Mapalamente a ka gore ke bone ba neng ba rebola madi a re neng re reka melemo e ka one, re dira le gore melemo e e kgone go felela e gorogile kwano.

E ne e le ka go itletla ga bone, ba rebola gore fa go tlhaetseng teng fa ke tla ka nako ya tlaleletso ba boa gape ba nneela, ke boa gape ke tla ba nneela.

Ke re ntle le nyena, re ka bo re sa nna le phitlhelelo e rotlhe re e bonyeng mo twantshong bolwetse jo jwa COVID-19.
O tlaa gakologelwa Mr Chairperson gore re ne re reka re itsamaela.

Fa gongwe re leka go dirisa platforms tse di neng di le teng tse di neng di akaretsa bo African Vaccine Acquisition Trust (AVAT) le COVAX.

O tlaa lemoga gore bontsi jwa melemo e re neng re iphitlhela re na le yone mo bogompienong, ke e re neng re iketse re ile go ithekela re le lefatshe.
Fa o tla go lebelela Modulasetilo gore mme gompieno tota mo dikgannyeng tsa go kenta lefatshe le le eme jang, fa o lebelela le map wa lefatshe le lotlhe, segolobogolo o tsenya leitlho thata mo Africa, o tlaa o bona gore mo Africa south of the Sahara, ke Botswana fela yo o tlaa bonang gore botalanyana jwa teng bo supa gore tota maiteko a otlhe a Palamente a, ga a a nna lefela la lefela.

Go supafala sentle fela gore mo Africa bontsi jwa mafatshe ga a a kenta go feta lesome mo lekgolong.
Fa o lebelela le mo baagisanying fela jaana, o tlaa bona gore ga go na bape ba ba tlodileng masome a mararo mo lekgolong.

Lefatshe la Botswana ke lengwe la mafatshe a le mane a a kwa godimo.

Lefatshe le le kwa godimo ke la Morocco, go bo go tsena la Rwanda, Botswana ke Number 3 at 54 per cent.

Re a itse gore Lekgotla le la Mafatshefatshe le re beetse a new target ya gore ka kgwedi ya July re bo re setse re kentile 70 per cent.
Fa o tla go lebelela gore gone mme re kentile jang, o tlaa lemoga gore ba ba tsereng lemao la ntlha fela ke batho fela ba ka tshwara 1.6 million.

Fa o lebelela ba ba tsereng dimao tse di feletseng, ke batho ba ka tshwara 1.3 million.

Ke dumela gore fa re ka emela thulaganyo e ya mokento ka dinao Modulasetilo, re tlaa kgona go nna le phitlhelelo fela e e botoka.

Re bona go goga dinao, segolobogolo ga banana gore ba tle go tsaya dimao tse.
Re bona go goga dinao ga batho go tla go tsaya lemao la tlaleletso.

Re ne re solofetse gore kgwedi ya February re tlaa bona batho ba ka tshwara 347 000 go tla go tsaya lemao le la tlaleletso mme gompieno re iphitlhela batho ba ba setseng ba tsere lemao le e le batho fela ba ka tshwara 200 000.
Dikgang tse ke ne ke batla gore ke di alele gore kana e ne ya re ngogola ga tla tlhomo-ntšha ya ga Tautona mme mo go yone konokono kana tlhabatshe ya yone ya ntlha e ne e le go babalela tšhaba e ya Botswana, segolobogolo kgatlhanong le segajaja se sa COVID-19.

Ke tiro e re neng re e tshwaraganetse le Batswana, re 23 Hansard No 205Wednesday 9th March, 2022ORGANISATION 1100 – MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND WELLNESS Committee of Supply (Resumed Debate) dumela tota gore setshwarwa ke ntsa pedi ga se thata.
Ga go na ope yo a neng a solofetse gore e tlaa re gompieno, le bone Mapalamente, ga go na ope wa bone yo a neng a solofetse gore gompieno a bo a le mo Palamenteng a bua jaaka fa a bua jaana ka gore re ne re nna fa ka letsogo le go tlhoka go itse gore a mme a kamoso ene o tlaa mphitlhela.

Re fano, re teng, re a tshela.

Re dumela gore thulaganyo e e tsile ka gore a bo re ne re eme ka dinao.

Re itse gore re na le ba ba re latlhegetseng ka go tlhoka lesego, a mewa ya bone e robale ka ka kagiso.
Sengwe se e leng gore ke batla gore ke se alele go feta fa ke alang teng Modulasetilo ke gore kana go na le kgang e e re saleng re simolola re e touta re le lephata ya gore we are revitalising the primary healthcare which is people centred.

Kana re tsosolosa dikgang tsa botsogo go tswa kwa moding, re dira re gamolela mala a mo sesaneng se gotweng motho mme re batla go mo simolola from local level.
Re ela tlhoko gore within your locality, kana kwa Digawana, go na le Kgosi Kgwakgwe yo o dumelang gore morafe o mo reetsa thata go feta.

Fa o ya kwa Dikgotlaneng, le tsone di na le bo Ramakgotla jalo, go na le dikomiti tse di farologaneng.

Re dumela gore fa re ka tsaya dikgang tsa botsogo re di simolola gone koo kwa moding, re tsile go nna le katlego fela e e seng kana ka sepe.

E ne e re fa re bua thata ka dikgang tsa mokento re bua gore le tsone o tshwanetse gore o di simolole kwa lelwapeng.
Ke gore fa o le Hikuama jaana, fa o ntse o bapa le motlogolo kana monnao a sa ya go kenta, itse gore ga o itirele sentle e bile ga o direle le ene monnao sentle.

Fa o ka simolola go bua dikgang tse lelwapeng jalo, re tlaa nna le katlego le pabalesego e e duleng diatla.
Ke boammaaruri batlotlegi gore fa re tla go tsena mo dikgannyeng tsa gore re le Mapalamente re eletsa gore go diragale eng kwa dikgaolong tsa rona, mongwe le mongwe o eletsa go bona kgaolo ya gagwe clinics tsotlhe di eme ka dinao e bile e le tsa segompieno.

Mongwe le mongwe o eletsa gore kwa constituency kana regions tsa bone fa go ne go kgonagala, go ka bo go na le dipatela.

Re a itse fela gore boammaaruri jo bo leng teng ke gore madi ga a re letle.

Le rona ke keletso ya rona.


Gompieno fa o lebelela motse o tshwana le wa Kanye go sena sepatela teng, o utlwa o gogomoga maikutlo gore ao tota go tewa gotwe a mme motse o ka nna jaana?

O lebelela Gaborone, o na le only a referral hospital, go sena a district hospital or primary hospital.

O a bona gore ke thulaganyo e e leng gore tota ga go a tshwanela gore go ka bo go ntse jalo.

Re iphitlhela re le mo seemong seo ka mabaka a gore tota Thebe ke ene a dingalo, ke ene a sa bonaleng.
E tlaa re fa go ntse go bonala re bo re nna re ntse re tsukaganya.

Ke keletso ya rona re le lephata Mr Chairperson gore re bone nako nngwe Tonota le ene a na le primary hospital.

Ke keletso ya rona gore re bone kwa Lerala– Maunatlala go nna le sepatela le bone ba kgone gore ba bone ditlamelo tsa botsogo segautshwanyane le bone.

Kgang e tona e e botlhoko ke yone ya gore madi ke one a ganang.

Mo godimo ga gore madi a bo a seyo Modulasetilo, fa gongwe re neela batho ditiro.
HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification Dr. DR DIKOLOTI: Nnyaa, iketle pele ke ale dikgang, o tlaa tla o tsena go setse five minutes.

O tlaa ela tlhoko gore kana fa re na le projects tse re di abang, di neelwa boradikompone mme boradikompone ba o fitlhela e le ntsalaa Hikuama kana monnawe Kekgonegile a neetswe project, fa a tswa foo, a bo a nna mo go yone, o bo o fitlhela e le gore kana fa a dia lebaka la gore e fele, go tla ka ditshenyegelo mo go rona re le lephata.
Ke re golo moo ke batla gore bakaulengwe le go tseeletse, le kgaleme dilo tse, le simolole kwa lelwapeng.

Le kaetse batho gore madi a setšhaba a tshwanetse gore a dirisiwe jang ka gore golo mo go boa gape go rontsha le one morafe ditlamelo tse re neng re di ba solofeditse gore ba di bone ka nako e e tshwanetseng.

Ke itse gore go na le mathata a matona kwa dikgaolong tsa bo Toteng le Kauxwi.
Ke dumela gore fa ke ka a tshwaraganela le Mapalamente ba teng, ba nthusa gore kwa bofelong re nne le ditharabololo tse di botoka, projects tseo will be delivered on time.

Fa go ka nna gore rotlhe re phuthe matsogo a bo re solofela gore sengwe se tlaa diragala fela, ga go na go direga ka gope.

Kgang ya tlhaelo ya bodiredi, ke boammaaruri, bo a tlhaela lefatshe le lotlhe le; a ke dingaka kana baoki.
Re le Puso, re eme ka dinao go tswelela re bona gore re kaba diphatlha, re ba tsenya jang gore kwa go tlhaelang teng go feta selekanyo Honourable Motaosane, re leke go thiba.

Ga se keletso ya rona ya gore go bo go na le pharologanyo ya baoki e re e bonang e diragala.

Ga se kwa Thamaga fela.

Dikgaolo tsotlhe go na le tlhaelo ya booki ka gore le bone ba nna ba tsamaya ba ya mafulong a a matalana.

Ga o ka ke wa ba kganela gore ba ye mafulong a a matalana.
Re leka ka bojotlhe gore re dire gore se re se ba neelang se nne se se kgatlhisang gore ka gongwe re kgone gore re ba beye gore ba kgone go bereka mo Pusong.

24 Hansard No 205Wednesday 9th March, 2022ORGANISATION 1100 – MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND WELLNESS Committee of Supply (Resumed Debate) Ke dumela gore re le lephata ga go ise go ko go diragale jaaka go diragetse gompieno.
Sengwe se re se dirileng re le lephata ke gore re tsentse lebogo kwa tengteng tota go ntsha madi kana budget e e utlwalang ya go isa bodiredi jwa rona gore bo ye go itlatsa dithuto.

O tlaa ela tlhoko gore gompieno… ke tumelo ya rona.

Bona gore re na le tlhaelo e e seng ka sepe ya specialists.

Ke tlaa tla ke fetola Motlotlegi Tshere fa ke tsamaela go digela ka gore go na le obstetricians and gynecologists ba ba tlhaelang thata le bone.
Ke bangwe ba e leng gore re le Puso, re dirile go feta jaaka re ka ba isa sekole.

Re le lephata re ne ra ya to negotiate le ba University ya Botswana (UB) gore ba leke le go fokotsa le tlhwatlhwa ya go aba thuto eo gore dingaka tse di ka kgonang go ikisa sekoleng ba kgone go ikisa having negotiated the fee ya teng gore e ye kwa tlase, mme gape ba ya sekoleng ba le on full pay.
Ke ditsela tse di tlang tse di farologaneng tse re batlang gore re oketse specialists gore kwa bofelong Batswana ba kgone go bona botsogo jo bo itekanetseng.

Ga re a felela fela foo, re a itse gore re na le gore a bo fa gongwe re ka refer balwetse ba rona kwa mafatsheng.
Re setse re tsere maatla a go ya le gone kwa mafatsheng ao re etela dipatela tseo gore gore re bone gore… ka gore re a itse gore mo gongwe mo go re turelang go feta ke go robala ga balwetse fa ba le gone koo, gore re ngoke dingaka tseo, gore some of these operations ba tle go di direla mo lefatsheng le la Botswana.

Re leke gore re kgaole madi a re felelang re a dirisa on our medical fees.
Ga ba a re gana, ba re dumetse, re tsweletse re leka go bona gore ke dife dipatela tse re ka di dirisang mo thulaganyong eo.

Re ne re bua thata gore re lwa ka mo gotlhe go leka go fokotsa mosuke o o yang kwa Nyangabwe le Marina.

We are developing a corridor e e akaretsang gore re fokoletse mosuke o kwa Scottish le Mahalapye, re leke gore re nne le an outreach programme gape ya gore fa go kgonagalang teng re kokoanye balwetse gore go tle go nna le operations tse di tlaa diragalang, kana on a weekend.
Re bo re itse gore re kgonne go kgarametsa gore go se ka ga nna le line ya batho ba ba letetseng gore ba tle ba bone operations.

Fa go na le e nngwe e re e emetseng ka dinao ke tlaa tla ke tla go le e rolela go ntse go tsweletse, ke ya matlho.

Ga re eletse re le Puso gore motsadi o ka foufala a emetse go bona thuso ya gore o ka ariwa matlho.

Boammaaruri jo bo leng teng ke gore, dingaka tse tsa matlho di a tlhaela.
Jaanong ga re a ipona tsapa, re santse re le mo loetong la go bona gore a re ka seke re ba ngoke tsone specialists tse, gore re tle to run these outreach programme, re leke gore kwa bofelong re kgone go thusa batsadi ba rona ba se ka ba foufala ba letile go bona thuso.
Le tlaa gakologelwa gore fa ke bua maabane ke rola pego e ke ne ka bua gore mo bekeng e e fetileng re ne re ribolola strategy sa rona sa gore re tlaa tlhokomela jang segolobogolo batsadi ba rona ba ba setseng ba godile, re bone gore ba bona ditlamelo tse di siameng, tse di ba tshwanetseng, ka ke batho ba ba lwetseng lefatshe le.

Ga re a tshwanela go itlhokomolosa tsotlhe tse ba re diretseng, gore kwa bofelong le bone ba bone ditlamelo fela tse di ba lebanyeng.
Motlotlegi Kwape, o ne a bua thata ka malwetse a a sa tshelanweng, a e leng gore ke mangwe a re a emetseng ka dinao, go bona gore re dira jang ka one, ka gore ke malwetse a a batlang thuto e e seng kanaka sepe.

Ga se ene fela, batlotlegi ka go farologana ba ne ba bua ka yone.
O ne a botsa gape le ka clinic ya kwa Kgwatlheng gore re eme jang ka yone; clinic e ke 24 hours, mme ke dumela gore re santse re sekaseka dikgannyang dingwe tse re kileng ra di buabua go bona gore clinic e re ka dira jang ka yone go ya pele.

Kgang ya sepatela sa Kanye re e buile thata, mme re buile gore mo ngwageng o go tlaa nna le sengwe se se tlaa dirwang ka sone.

Motlotlegi Letsholo o ne a botsa potso mo Palamenteng gore re bokgakala bokae ka sepatela se, mme karabo ke yone eo.
Ke boammaaruri dipalo tse o di bonang kwa Lotlhakane ke tse di tshwanetseng gore e bo clinic ya Lotlhakane e na le maternity.

Fa go tla go tsena mo kgannyeng e ka gore ke a e akaretsa ka bontsi jwa batlotlegi ba e boditse, ke maitlamo a Puso e, re itlamile gore re ya go atolosa health posts tsotlhe.

Katoloso ya tsone e tlaabo e ikaegile mo goreng a mme ledi le teng.

Sengwe se re se itemogetseng gape mo katolosong e ke gore, ga go re kolekele go feta go atolosa health posts go sena maternity mo go tsone.
Fa o lebelela Dibete katoloso ya yone, o lebelela e e kwa Toteng ele, o tlaa bona gore go tlaa re kolekela botoka gore re tsenye maternity mo teng.

Ke solofela gore fa re tla go tsena mo NDP 12 bontsi jwa tse re tlaabong re di atolosa re tlaa dira thulaganyo ya gore re tsenye maternity mo go tsone.

Thulaganyo e re e dira gape e tlaabo e neelana... HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification Minister.

DR DIKOLOTI: Nnyaa iketle pele Lucas o kgakala le go tsena mo clarification, go ya go tsena Hikuama pele ga gago.
Ke santse ke ala dikgang.

Ke rile fa go setse five minutes e bo e le gone le tsenang.

25 Hansard No 205Wednesday 9th March, 2022ORGANISATION 1100 – MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND WELLNESS Committee of Supply (Resumed Debate) MR LUCAS: Tanki rre.

DR DIKOLOTI: Dikgang tse ke maitlamo a Puso, go netefatsa gore dilo tseo di a diragadiwa.

Ga se maikaelelo, kana ga se maikutlo a ga Hikuama, re le Puso re itlamile gore dilo tseo re tlaa bona gore di a diragadiwa.
Go tshwana le kgang ya gore re le Puso re itlamile gore re ya fetola dikokelo ka bontsi gore e nne 24 hour clinics.

Mme kgang e tona ya go fetola kokelo gore e nne 24 hours e tlhokana le gore bodiredi bo bo bo le teng, jone jo re santseng re sena jone.
So tsholofelo ya rona ke gore, e tlaare fa re ntse re tsweletse re hira, re tshwaraganya dikgang tsa rona tse tsotlhe, kwa bofelong re tlaa felela re atolosa dikokelo tse dingwe tse gore e nne 24 hours, because kgang e tona ke gore batho ba kgone go bona ditlamelo ka nako e ba di tlhokang ka yone.

Kgang e e neelana le yone gape e Motlotlegi Kablay a neng a bua ka yone le ba bangwe, ya bo dikoloi, jalojalo.

Ke dikgang tsa gore fa re boneng madi teng ke tshwanelo gore go nne le dikoloi.
Mme ga e a tshwanela go felela fela foo, ka gore dikoloi tse bothata jo bongwe jo re bo iponelang ke fa gongwe fa di senyegang teng, di bo di sa kgone go baakanyesega sentle teng.

Dikgang tse ke batla re di tshwaraganela batlotlegi.
Fa rotlhe re ka simolola go tshwaraganela dikgang tse gore, ba ba ntshang service ba e dire e tshwanetse sentle, jaaka Honourable Brooks ke bona a itshwere mahuma, o a itse, ke gore o gopotse gore kana kwa sepateleng sa Tsabong, dikoloi tse di sa berekeng di feta tse di berekang.

Ke tshwanelo ya rona go bona gore dikoloi tse di baakanngwa jang.
Garages tse di neelwang paakanyo ya dikoloi tse di dire gone mo go tshwanetseng, ka gore kwa bofelong motho o tshwanetse gore fa a dira golo mo a bo a itse gore ke thusetsa gore Batswana ba ye go bona thuso e e maleba ka thulaganyo eo.

Motlotlegi Segokgo o ne a leboga thata, ke bona gore o lebagane thata le gore mo tlhomong e ntšha e ya ga Tautona, tlhabatshe ya yone ya boraro ya digitilisation re le lephata re e tshwere ka maatlametlo.

Ke re ke maikaelelo a rona.


E ne ya re fa re bua re le Puso, kana fa re ya go kopa ditlhopho, re ne re bua ka the knowledge based economy, Fourth Industrial Revolution, so re tshela thulaganyo eo Motlotlegi Segokgo.

Go netefatsa gore fa re busa phetolo kwa Batswaneng, tsotlhe tse re neng re di ba solofeditse kana bontsi jwa tse re neng re di ba solofeditse re bo re di kgonne.

Motlotlegi Mavange; ke ne ke le kwa kgaolong ya gago fa ke le kwa molelwaneng maloba.
Ke utlwile thata mathata a le a tshwereng, le tlhaelo e le nang le yone, le kgang ya clusters ka fa e ntseng ka teng, ke re re tlaa nna re ntse re leka go bona gore re tshwaranya eng fa kae, e bile re baakanya eng fa kae.
Ke batla gore le kope le lona batlotlegi, ke itse gore bontsi jwa lona go na le consultations tsa NDP 12, go tlaa re kolekela botoka fa dikgang tse dingwe tse le ntseng le di bua tse, di tla gape di tswa kwa dikgaolong tsa lona, gore fa re tla re tshwaraganya dikgang tsa rona mme e bo o kare ga re bue se lona le sa se akanyang.

Kgang e ...(inaudible)… ya kwa Zwenshambe... HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification.

DR DIKOLOTI: Lebelela nako ke rile fa go setse five minutes ke tlaabo ke le fa clarifications.
Fa o lebelela clinic e tshwana le ya Zwenshambe, ke nngwe ya tse re nang le keletso ya go bona di atolosiwa ...(interruptions!

)… go tswa ka koo go bona gore a mme le lona le a akanya kana le dira ka fa re eleditseng gore go ka nna ka teng.

Motlotlegi Moatlhodi o ne a bua thata, a bua a shakgetse Rra Nkamo, a bua gore kwa Tonota le sone setilo fela sa meno ga seyo.
Ke re motlotlegi tshwara pelo fela jalo sentle, re na le thulaganyo, re na le tender fela e e duleng diatla ya equipment, e ke dumelang gore ditilo di tlaa nna teng, di tlaa phatlalala.

Mme ke go tshepise gore sa Tonota se tlaa nna teng mo go tsone tse tsotlhe.

Kgang e ya matlo a a sheleng ke e e kileng ya goroga kwa go rona, e ke dumelang gore re tlaa e tsibogela thata mo ngwageng o, ka gore go ne go lebega e santse e tshwerwe ke sengwe kwano.
Ke ne ke bua le Coordinator Dr Kgetsi a ntekodisa gore go diragetse eng ka yone, mme ke dumela gore ke nngwe ya dikgang tse re tlaa di rarabololang.

Ke batla go go tshepisa Rra Nkamo gore e tlaare pele ga mariga a tla go fela ke bo ke etetse kwa Tonota gore ke tle go bona tse tsotlhe tse o ntseng o di bua, gore re kgone go di rarabolola segautshwane.
Motlotlegi Ramogapi o ne a bua ka kgang ya Maximum Medical Improvement (MMI) e ke tlaare fa ke e fetola ke go fetola ke tlhakantse le Tshere mo teng, o bo o utlwa dikarabo tsa yone sentle.
O ne a bua ka tlhaelo ya melemo, boammaaruri jo bo leng batlotlegi ke gore melemo e na le tlhaelo, mme e bile ga re ise re iphitlhe, re sale re tswela kwa ntle ka kgang ya gore re na le tlhaelo ya melemo, mme e bakilwe ke gore go bo go ntse le kgopakgopetso ka nako ya kemiso metsamao, gore re bo re kgona go bona melemo e goroga ka nako e re neng re e solofetse.
Sengwe se se tona se se tlaa re rarabololelang kgang tse tsa tlhaelo tsa melemo le yone equipment go ya pele, ke molao o le neng le o fetisa 26 Hansard No 205Wednesday 9th March, 2022ORGANISATION 1100 – MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND WELLNESS Committee of Supply (Resumed Debate) wa procurement, ka gore o tlaa lemoga gore bontsi jwa dilo tse dingwe, kana theko ya dilo tse dingwe tsa botsogo they are specialised.
Ke dumela gore fa molao o o simolola go diragadiwa o tlaa re thusa thata gore re kgone go reka dilo tsa rona ka nako.

Re ne re na le mathata a gore go ne go na le ditsela tse tharo tse re neng re ka reka melemo ka tsone, go na le e gotweng micro procurement e e re turelang.

Gompieno e rile ngwaga o simolola re ne re isitse madi kwa dikgaolong, mme o ya go fitlhela e le gore madi a a kwa dikgaolong a leka go reka melemo, dipilisi tsone tse di tlhaelang, mme a tlhaelela kgakala, di boa gape di fela.
Go bo go nna gore re ka kopa waiver e e leng gore they can deliver consignments jaana.

E tlaabo e simolola e diega le yone fa re reka, o fitlhela e le gore ba a sokola go ya go reka kwa ba rekang teng, ka gore e e rarabololang tse tsotlhe tse botoka, ke e leng firmly contract, e go nang le tenders tse di setseng di ntshitswe tse ke solofelang gore batho ba tlaa tsena mo go tsone, go bo go re thusa gore go nne le tharabololo e botoka.
Tharabololo e e ka di gaisang tse tsotlhe ke e re bonang e simolotse go diragala, e ngokang ba ba dirang melemo to come and set up mo Botswana.

Ba tla ka matsipa a a farologanyeng, a ke dumelang gore a tlaa kgona gore dilo tse di re atumele.

Go na le Batswana ba ba itekang le bone ba ba simolotseng, ba bona gore go na le madi a mantsi a a tswelang kwa ntle ga lefatshe le mme re eletsa gore a ka bo a atumetse kwano gore a tsene mo lefatsheng le la rona.

Ke dumela gore dikgang tse di teng.


Motlotlegi Ramogapi o ne a bua gape gore ene o a gakgamala ka dikgang tsa procurement gore re didimetse, a re go na le maina mangwe a a buiwang.

Motlotlegi, kana o modiramolao mme e bile gape o Motswana; o na le tshwanelo ya gore fa o bona gotwe go na le bogodu golo gongwe, tsamaya o ye go bega.

Se tle mo Palamenteng o tla go bua ka dikgang tse o itseng gore batho ba bangwe ga ba na go di ikarabelela.
Tswela kwa ntle o ye go bega, kana o tswele kwa ntle ga Palamente o ye go bua fela ka fa tlase ga setlhare go itse semangmang le semangmang yo o dirang jaana gore ba tle ba kgone gore ba go ikarabele.

Se tle go iphitlha ka Palamente gore dikgang tse batho ba palelwe ke go di iphetolela.

Honourable Kablay o ne a bua thata ka tlhaelo e e teng kwa kgaolong ya gagwe; a itumetse ka sepatela sa Letlhakeng.

Motlotlegi, ke tsaya gore kgang e re tlaabo re ntse re goga rotlhe mo go yone nna le wena.
A bo a bua gape thata le ka bo Lephephe, tlhaelo ya melemo.

Ke tsaya gore dikgang tsa tlhaelo ya melemo di tlaa rarabologa mo nakong e e seng kgakala.

Fa melemo e ntse e goroga ka gore micro procurement yone e a re turela go bua boammaaruri, mme sengwe sa melemo gape ke gore re na le thulaganyo e re sa leng re e simolola mo Gaborone, Francistown mme re e simolotse kwa Molepolole maloba ka February.
Re batla go e atolosa mo dikgaolong tse di ka fetang bosupa, ya dipilisi tse di tsewang ke batho ba malwetse a a sa tshelanweng mme gape le a o fitlhelang e le gore a tsaya lebaka mo mothong.

Re na le tomagano le pharmacies tsa the locals, tse e leng gore ke bone ba tlaa nnang ba ntse ba kgona to dispense melemo eo jalojalo.

Ke dumela gore gatwe go na le tse dingwe tse di tlhabologileng.
Ke ne ke le kwa Jwaneng le Reggie Reatile, ba supa botlhale le gore le bone ba mo tlhomong-ntšha mme e bile ba tshela ka fa ba neng ba e tshela ka teng.

Mo e leng gore ba go romela message fela kana e-wallet ya go ya go tsaya dipilisi, o bo o tla o tobetsa, locker e bula e go neela dipilisi tsa gago o bo o ya kwa lelwapeng.

Dithulaganyo tse ke dumela gore di tlaa goroga mo go rona.
Honourable Motsamai o ne a bua gore bone e le UDC ba ne ba eletsa gore fa ba bona mogwafatshe fela ba tle ba tsenye melemo le dipilisi mo teng and operate.

Ga ke itse ka gore nako e setse e tsamaile thata mme fa ke bega mo pegong ya me, ke ne ke bua ka the Health Quality Bill, e ke dumelang gore re tlaa tla to present it here.

Honourable Tshere o tlaa go tlhalosetsa ka yone gore tota dikgang tsa botsogo ga di a nna jaaka o akanya.
Re ne ra sokola thata kwa Rakops ka the theatre e le gore kana you cannot operate fa go tsenang lerole teng.

Go na le tsela e e leng gore fa dikgang tsa botsogo di diragalelang teng, ga go tshwane le jaaka kgomo e ya go kentelwa kwa lesakeng.

Ke dumela gore dikgang tse e tlaa re fa re tla ka Bill, re tlaa di atolosa gore lotlhe le kgone go di tlhaloganya.

Honourable Modukanele, a utlwetse rra mme re tlaa tla koo.
Ke a go solofetsa le wena gore e tlaa re pele ga mariga a wela, re bo re kile ra tla kwa kgaolong ya gago.

Honourable Leuwe, ke go utlule mme kana o ya go fitlhela e le gore ene yo o tlaabong a eteletse pele, yo o lalang a baakanyang (maintain) ntlo bosigo, o ya go fitlhela e le gore gongwe ke setlogolo sa ga Kekgonegile kana Motsamai.
Dikgang tse fa re ka simolola go di bua kwa lelwapeng, o tlaa bona, re tlaa kgona go aga tšhaba e ya Botswana gore kwa bofelong batho ba itse gore fa ke dira jaana, ke senyetsa yone Puso.

27 Hansard No 205Wednesday 9th March, 2022ORGANISATION 1100 – MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND WELLNESS Committee of Supply (Resumed Debate) HONOURABLE MEMBER: O tle o latlhela le dikai ka fa Domkrag.

DR DIKOLOTI: Dilo tse ke tse e leng gore fa re ka di tshwara jalo, o tlaa fitlhela e le gore re tlaa di kgona.
Modulasetilo, go na le kgang e nngwe e e buegileng thata… HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification Minister, ga o ka ke wa di fetsa tsotlhe.

DR DIKOLOTI: Nnyaa, iketle pele ke ala kgang e nngwe, le bo le tla to clarify mo go yone.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Under five minutes.

DR DIKOLOTI: Kgang e nngwe Modulasetilo, e e neng e buega ke ya maternal mortality ratio, e e neng e buiwa ke Modulasetilo wa Botsogo.

Ke utlule e akgelwa gape ke Mopalamente wa kwa Palapye.
Kana boammaaruri jo bo leng teng ke gore fa go buiwa ka maternal mortality ratio, ga go buiwe ka the actual… HONOURABLE MEMBER: Chairperson.

Procedure Mr DR DIKOLOTI: Sekai sa kgang ya gore e bo Tshere a gogomosa batho ba kwa Palapye kana Mahalapye maikutlo, a bua gore… HONOURABLE MEMBER: Chairperson.

Procedure Mr MR CHAIRPERSON: Nnyaa, rraetsho.

You have been calling for clarification, you are now calling for procedure.

Standing Order… HONOURABLE MEMBER: It is a different matter Mr Chairperson.
MR CHAIRPERSON: Standing Order 53.2 does not allow you.

Please, continue Honourable Minister.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ka re it is a different matter Mr Chairperson.

O tlaa itshola kwa pele.

MR CHAIRPERSON: Please, continue Honourable Minister.

DR DIKOLOTI: Tanki Modulasetilo.

Ke ne ke bua ka maternal mortality… HONOURABLE MEMBER: Chairperson.

Procedure Mr MR CHAIRPERSON: Honourable Minister, you have one minute to close up your remarks, then I put up a question.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Chairperson.


Procedure Mr MR CHAIRPERSON: Just a minute Honourable Kekgonegile.

I am still warning the Minister that he has no time.

What is your procedure Honourable Kekgonegile?

MR KEKGONEGILE: Procedure.

Mr Chairperson, ka fa o tsamaisang Ntlo ka teng ga se gone.

Selo santlha fela metsotso e o e buang eo ga se boammaaruri.

Ga e ka ke ya re fa Honourable Moswaane a bitsa for procedure go kwadilwe four minutes, o bo o re Minister o setse ka a minute.
What you are doing ke go raya Minister gore a se ka a re fa clarifications and all the sorts.

It is wrong for you to do that.
Secondly Mr Chairperson, for the Minister gore the whole 30 minutes a bo a bua a le nosi lecturing without according us clarifications, more especially Mapalamente a e leng gore ga ba a akgela mo kgannyeng ya gagwe, ga se yone tsamaiso ya Ntlo e. Ga se ka fa re dirang ka teng mo Ntlong e. Minister ga a bue as Mopalamente wa Domkrag; o bua as Tona wa lefatshe, yo o nang le boikarabelo jwa gore a re arabe, a utlwe dikakgelo tsa rona so that monalentle a nne le la gagwe, a nne le solutions to his ministry.
It is out of procedure for him to do that.

MR CHAIRPERSON: Honourable Minister, 1644 hours, we have to put a question.

Please, finalise.

At 1644 hours, I have to put a question.

DR DIKOLOTI: Go setse metsotso e Modulasetilo?

le kae HONOURABLE MEMBER: E le four.

MR CHAIRPERSON: It is now 1645 hours; you are already one minute above your time.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: E ntse e le procedure and you had frozen his time?

MR CHAIRPERSON: Honourable Kekgonegile, please excuse us.
Honourable Minister, I have to put a question.
28 Hansard No 205Wednesday 9th March, 2022ORGANISATION 1100 – MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND WELLNESS Committee of Supply (Resumed Debate) DR DIKOLOTI: Mr Chairperson, I move that the sum of Ten Billion, Five Million, Two Hundred and Thirty-Nine Thousand, One Hundred Pula (P10,005,239,100.00) under the Recurrent Budget for Organisation 1100 be approved and stands as part of the Schedule of Appropriation (2022/2023) Bill, 2022 and that a Development Budget in the sum of Three Hundred and Thirty-Six Million, Seven Hundred and Eleven Thousand and Sixty-Two Pula (P336,711,062.00) be approved and stands part of the Estimates for the financial year 2022/2023.
I thank you sir.

Question put and agreed to.

HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… MR CHAIRPERSON: May we have order please!

We are on Budget.

Order!

This is a very serious matter.

HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… MR CHAIRPERSON: May we have order please!

HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… MR CHAIRPERSON: May we have order please!
ORGANISATION 1500 – MINISTRY OF INTERNATIONAL AFFAIRS AND COOPERATION MR CHAIRPERSON: Honourable Members, please note that two hours 50 minutes have been allocated to this organisation, and I shall call upon the Honourable Minister to reply to the debate at 1205 tomorrow, and the question will be put at 1235 hours tomorrow.

Honourable Kwape, please talk to your Bill.

MINISTER OF INTERNATIONAL AFFAIRS AND COOPERATION (DR KWAPE): Thank you Mr Chairperson.
INTRODUCTION Mr Chairperson, I have the honour to present to this esteemed Committee, the budget proposal for the Ministry of International Affairs and Cooperation for the financial year 2022/2023.

The proposal includes both the Recurrent and Development Estimates under Organisation Head 1500.

The total proposed budget for the Financial Year 2022/2023 Six Hundred and Forty-Six Million, Thirty- One Thousand, Five Hundred and Ten Pula (P646, 031,510).
Out of this total amount, Five Hundred and Seventy-Five Million, Three Hundred and Thirty-One Thousand, Five Hundred and Ten Pula (P575, 331,510) is Recurrent Expenditure, while Seventy Million, Seven Hundred Thousand Pula (P70, 700,000) is Development Expenditure.

OVERVIEW OF PERFORMANCE FINANCIAL YEAR 2021/2022 Mr Chairperson, before I present the budget proposal, allow me to appraise the House on the ministry’s performance over the 2021/2022 financial year.
During this current budget cycle, the major preoccupation by the international community has been to respond to the COVID-19 global pandemic.

From the onset, our Government’s priority was to save lives and protect livelihoods of Batswana through various mitigation measures.

This included leveraging on our international partnerships in order to secure life-saving COVID-19 vaccines, as well as to access the much needed technical assistance and data.
Mr Chairperson, in the financial year 2021-2022, global efforts will be focused on adapting to COVID-19 and attaining strong and resilient economies.

We are therefore, mindful of the fact that in pursuit of the economic recovery, countries will relentlessly compete for foreign direct investment, hence the need for Botswana to sharpen her strategy to boost competitiveness and attractiveness as an investment destination of choice.
We anticipate therefore, that there will be a greater demand for our budget for extensive and focused promotional activities, as well as the requisite institutional capacity building to enable our ministry to deliver economic benefit to Botswana and realise more value from our presence in foreign countries.
Mr Chairperson, notwithstanding the restriction on travel and conventional face-to face engagements, my ministry has ensured that the engagements with partner countries are sustained to ensure that diplomatic activities remain largely uninterrupted and that the ministry continues to capitalise on goodwill that Botswana receives from the international community in order to advocate for the support of economic recovery and advancement of our Reset Agenda.
29 Hansard No 205Wednesday 9th March, 2022ORGANISATION 1500 – MINISTRY OF INTERNATIONAL AFFAIRS AND COOPERATIONCommittee of Supply Mr Chairperson, one of the key functions of the Ministry of International Affairs and Cooperation is the coordination of foreign relations and ensuring that Botswana maintains a single unified front on issues with a bearing on international affairs.
The ministry can only succeed in this important function with the support and collaboration of all ministries and stakeholders, as well as this important House.

The ministry will also continue to strengthen its public diplomacy mandate by reaching out to both foreign and domestic publics in order to elicit an understanding of Botswana’s position on various international issues.
In so doing, the ministry will upscale its Information and Communications Technology (ICT) infrastructure in order to optimise utilisation of virtual and social media platforms, as well as to communicate “our Botswana Story.” Mr Chairperson, the ministry provides a variety of consular services to Batswana residing or travelling abroad.

This is an area where we experience a number of challenges as the extent to which this ministry is able to assist is often limited.
We will thus continue to sensitise the public on the range of services offered and the role of the ministry in provision of consular services.
Above all, the ministry re-commits to deliver services with efficiency ‘le ka botho.’ Mr Chairperson, in spite of the unique challenges and unpredictable global environment, the ministry was able to record notable progress in representing Botswana on the global stage through wide –ranging diplomatic activities, and there are as follows: PROMOTION OF BILATERAL RELATIONS WITH OTHER COUNTRIES Mr Chairperson, as I indicted earlier, the limitations imposed by COVID-19 have not deterred our efforts to facilitate high level engagements with our strategic partners.
The ministry has had to be agile and adapt to “virtual diplomacy” as a means to interact with bilateral partners as we sought to advance our national interests.

Consistent with the imperative of maintaining good neighbourliness, and to strengthen bilateral relations and cooperation with countries the Southern African Development Community (SADC) region, His Excellency the President undertook working visits to Namibia, Eswatini, Lesotho, United Republic of Tanzania and Zambia.
This was important to do in in the face of immense challenges facing the region, and the need to strengthen cooperation in the control of COVID-19 and the minimizing disruptions to essential movement of persons and goods as well as services.

The visits were also used to lobby for support for Botswana’s candidate, Mr Elias Magosi for the position of Executive Secretary of SADC, which I am happy to report culminated in his appointment by the Summit in August 2021.
This was a major diplomatic feat by His Excellency the President and Chief Diplomat of this Republic.

Mr Chairperson, the ministry facilitated His Excellency the President in his Chairmanship of the SADC Organ on Politics, Defence and Security Cooperation which ended in August 2021.

I was also supporting His Excellency in my capacity as Chairperson of the Ministerial Committee of the Organ (MCO).

This entailed chairing MCO meetings and coordinating various activities under the ambit of the Organ.
These roles involved providing leadership and guidance towards consolidation of democracy, peace and security in the region.

Achievements registered during this time include the following: • Reaching decision on the deployment of the SADC Mission in Carbo Delgado, Mozambique in July 2021 to support the Government of Mozambique in combatting terrorism in the country.

Botswana has contributed troops in addition to deploying a Chief of Mission to SADC contingent in Mozambique.
• Secondly, leading the virtual SADC Electoral Observer Mission and stakeholder engagement in the United Republic of Tanzania and the Republic of Seychelles in October 2020, and the Republic of Zambia in August 2021.

• The ministry also participated in the SADC fact- finding mission to the Kingdom of Eswatini to establish the cause for the political instability in that country and propose possible solutions.
Further afield, His Excellency the President undertook official visits to the United Kingdom, France, Belgium and the European Union Commission.
Engagements were also taken in the United States of America (USA), India and Italy, for the purposes of advancing Botswana’s development interests with particular focus on the following: • making the case for the removal of Botswana from the EU blacklist of high-risk jurisdiction in the area 30 Hansard No 205Wednesday 9th March, 2022ORGANISATION 1500 – MINISTRY OF INTERNATIONAL AFFAIRS AND COOPERATIONCommittee of Supply of money laundering/terrorism financing.
• advocating for equitable access to COVID-19 vaccines, and inviting vaccine manufactures to set- up operations in Botswana.

Following the visit to Los Angeles in the United States, a Memorandum of Understanding was signed between NantWorks and Botswana to establish a COVID-19 and cancer vaccine center in Botswana.
Mr Chairperson, as a ministry, we attach great importance to Bilateral Cooperation Frameworks as they have proven to be effective instruments for strengthening strategic partnerships and safeguarding Botswana’s interests at bilateral, regional and global levels.
Accordingly, during the period under review, the ministry convened the Sixth (6th) Session of Botswana - Namibia Joint Permanent Commission of Cooperation (JPCC) was held virtually from 16 -18 February 2021 to assess implementation of agreed commitments by various sectors such as agriculture, trade, health, education.
TRADE, PROMOTION INVESTMENT AND TOURISM Mr Chairperson, now more than ever, economic diplomacy remains critical to Botswana’s foreign policy objectives in light of the far-reaching economic disruptions confronting Botswana and other countries around the world.
The ministry in partnership with the Ministry of Investment, Trade and Industry; Botswana Investment and Trade Centre (BITC) and Botswana Tourism Organisation (BTO), facilitated a number of activities to attract Foreign Direct Investment (FDI); promote tourism and seek markets for Botswana’s produce.

These promotional activities were in the form of virtual Expos, Business Forums and business meetings facilitated primarily by Botswana Diplomatic Missions abroad.
In addition, Mr Chairperson, the ministry facilitated Botswana’s participation at the following international platforms: • the Sixteenth (16th) Edition of the CII-Exim Bank Conclave which was held virtually from the 13th to 15th July 2021 and this was aimed at developing partnerships to strengthen economic ties between Africa and India in the areas such as Tourism, Agribusiness and Technology Information Communication • the Dubai Expo 2020 which will be held over a period of six months Expo is ongoing.
Botswana has an impressive line-up of promotional activities which cover various sectors and this is an ongoing activity Mr Chairperson.

It is also worth highlighting that Botswana Diplomatic Missions abroad consistently undertook or participated in promotional activities in the form of virtual Expos, Business Forums and business meetings in order to sell Botswana as the investment and tourism destination of choice.
CONTRIBUTION TO INTEGRATION AGENDA THE REGIONAL Mr Chairperson, the Southern African Development Community (SADC) region is strategically important to Botswana.

Our long historical relations, common borders, kinship and trade ties make us inextricably linked to the region.

Accordingly, Botswana will continue to contribute to efforts aimed at strengthening SADC’s integration and pursuit of long term peace and security as well as economic cooperation and sustainable development.
The attainment of these noble regional aspirations requires a strong Institutional support of the Secretariat and in this regard we believe we have the right person in Mr. Elias Magosi to advance the transformation agenda that will position SADC to deliver prosperity to its citizens.

Mr Chairperson, as you are aware, Botswana assumed the Chairmanship of the SADC Organ on Politics, Defence and Security Cooperation for the period August 2020-August 2021.
In this regard, the ministry facilitated His Excellency the President in his role as the Chairman and in his leadership role of providing guidance and contributing to the consolidation of democracy, peace and security in the region.

During this time much progress was registered in the following areas, amongst others; • Establishment of the Regional Counter Terrorism Centre, which will be based in Tanzania; and I must add here that it was recently opened and Honourable Shamukuni attended.
• Development of the Guidelines for Elections Observation under Public Health Emergencies.

31 Hansard No 205Wednesday 9th March, 2022ORGANISATION 1500 – MINISTRY OF INTERNATIONAL AFFAIRS AND COOPERATIONCommittee of Supply • Deployment of the SADC Mission in Carbo Delgado, Mozambique in July 2021 to support the Government of Mozambique in combatting terrorism and acts of violent extremists in the country.

Botswana has also contributed troops alongside seven SADC countries.
The SAMIM Mission is headed by Professor Mpho Molomo of Botswana; here Mr Chairperson, I need to emphasise that he was appointed by our President when he was Chair and he continues on that role, till today.

• Leading the virtual SADC Electoral Observer Mission and engagements in the United Republic of Tanzania and the Republic of Seychelles, as well as the Republic of Zambia.
Mr Chairperson, the ministry continues to actively coordinate the participation of Botswana at SADC meetings, including the recent SADC Extraordinary Summit and Extraordinary Organ Troika Summit that took place in Malawi in January 2022 for the purpose of assessing the mandate of SAMIM and the budgetary implications thereof.

CONTINENTAL DEVELOPMENT AGENDA Mr Chairperson, the ministry continues to facilitate Botswana’s contribution to the African Union (AU) Agenda 2063.
Our engagement within the African Union enables Botswana to work with others to realise the collective vision of an “integrated, prosperous and peaceful Africa.” We also seek to promote Botswana’s influence in the continent in alignment with our interests, values and principles.
Hence Mr Chairperson, during the reporting period, Botswana participated at the Sixth (6th) Summit of the African Union and the European Union and the 2nd African Union/European Union Joint Ministerial Meeting held in Belgium and Rwanda respectively.

The discussions advanced cooperation between Africa and Europe on trade, investment and health cooperation.
CONTRIBUTION DEVELOPMENT AGENDA TO THE GLOBAL Mr Chairperson, Botswana attaches great value to multilateralism as a means to promote and safeguard our national interests.

As a small country in an interconnected world, Botswana recognises the challenges of today are global in nature and in impact.

We therefore have vested interest in the nurturing of global cooperation and collective action underpinned by rules - international order.
Botswana will therefore continue Mr Chairperson to be actively engagement in the United Nations System as we fully subscribe to the promotion of peace and security and the Sustainable Development Agenda.

We are also very intentional about enhancing active participation in the UN in order to promote our national values and advance our strategic development goals.
To this end Mr Chairperson, Botswana consistently participate in multilateral platforms including high- level events, and conferences convened by the United Nations (UN) and other international organisations in order to advocate for economic and social development of our country, share her development experience, as well as learn from other nations.

Mr Chairperson, the ministry facilitated the participation of His Excellency the President at the UN General Assembly in September 2021.
Given his stature, His Excellency the President’s presence enabled the ministry to attract high value potential investors and persons of influence to events where Botswana could solicit support for the key national priorities.

These include calling for equitable access to vaccines; combatting COVID-19, and assistance towards post pandemic economic recovery.

the ministry also continued to Mr Chairperson, facilitate His Excellency’s engagements with the World Economic Forum (WEF).
As a testament to the growing profile of Botswana internationally, the WEF, appointed His Excellency as Generation Unlimited Champion for the SADC region to work collaboratively with United Nations International Children’s Emergency Fund (UNICEF) to advocate for participation of youth in policy... MR CHAIRPERSON: Honourable Minister, you no longer have much time, you better move towards summing up, o simolole go kopa madi jaanong, nako e ile.

O tloga o tlhoka sebaka sa go kopa madi.

O na le 1 minute left.


DR KWAPE: Thank you Mr Chairperson.

Mr Chairperson, at this juncture, I wish to submit the proposal for Five Hundred and Seventy-Five Million, Three Hundred and Thirty-One Thousand, Five Hundred and Ten Pula (P575 331 510) for the Recurrent Budget.
This represents a decrease of 0.75 per cent when compared to the total approved budget of Five Hundred and Seventy-Nine Million, Six Hundred and Ninety-One Thousand, Eight Hundred and Eighty Pula (P579 691 880) for the last financial year.

For the Development Budget, I submit Seventy Million, Seven 32 Hansard No 205Wednesday 9th March, 2022ORGANISATION 1500 – MINISTRY OF INTERNATIONAL AFFAIRS AND COOPERATIONCommittee of Supply Hundred Thousand Pula (P70 700 000).
This represents an increase of 38 per cent compared to the last financial year.

Mr Chairperson, as I conclude my presentation on the 2022/2023 budget proposals, I move that the sum of Five Hundred and Seventy-Five Million, Three Hundred and Thirty-One Thousand, Five Hundred and Ten Pula (P575 331 510) for the Recurrent Budget be approved and stand part of the 2022/2023 Appropriation Bill (No.
1 of 2022) for Organisation Head 1500, and that the sum of Seventy Million, Seven Hundred Thousand Pula only (P70 700 000) for the Development Budget be approved and stand part of the same Schedule of the 2022/2023 Appropriation Bill.

I submit Mr Chairperson.

MR KAPINGA (OKAVANGO): Thank you Mr Chairperson.

Ke lebogela sebaka se sa go akgela mo kabong madi ya Lephata la Merero ya mafatshe a sele le Tirisanommogo.
I should put it on record Mr Chairperson gore, ba phaketse ba buisana le rona go re sedimosetsa se ba tlaabong ba tla go se baya fa pele ga Palamente.

Seo re a se lebogela gore ba bo ba tsere matsapa a go dira jalo.

Ke batla go simolola ka go isa matshidiso kwa go boora Palai Mr Chairperson.

Mo bekeng e e fetileng re ne re itsisiwe fa yo e neng e le moemela lefatshe la Botswana kwa China, Ambassador Bruce Palai a re tlogetse.
Ke batla go bua mo Palamenteng e gore, rre yo o ne a le botlhokwa thata mo bodireding jwa lefatshe la Botswana.

E le motho yo o neng a siame thata, a na le botho le bodiredi jwa maemo a a kwa godimo mo lefatsheng la gagwe Mr Chairperson.

A mowa wa gagwe o robale ka kagiso.

Ditirisanyo tsa rona le mafatshe a sele Mr Chairperson, di tshwanetse gore di nyalane le se re se dirang mo lefatsheng la rona.

There should be harmony between our domestic policies and our foreign policy.
Ga re a tshwanela gore se re se dirang mo lefatsheng le, se bo se fapaana le se re se buang kwa mafatsheng a sele fa re kopane le maAfrica a mangwe kana ba mafatshe a mangwe mo lefatsheng ka bophara.

Se re se buang mono re bo re se dira, se tshwanetse gore se tsamaelane le se re se dirang fa re ile kwa ntle.

Sengwe se se supang gore we have no harmony in our policies, is our Immigration Policy.
Fa re le mono tse re di buang le tse re di dirang, di supa gore ga re rate batho ba ba tswang kwa mafatsheng a sele.

Ga di supe fa re rata batho ba ba tswang kwa mafatsheng a sele ba ka tla go nna fa gare ga rona, phelelong ba felele e le Batswana jaaka rona.

Our Immigration Policy is near xenophobic, mme fa re tsena kwa mafatsheng a sele, kwa bo African Union (AU), re bua gore re bona maAfrica a mangwe e le our own brothers.

Dilo tse di a ganetsana Mr Chairperson.


Ga se gone fela, Foreign Policy Mr Chairperson mo dinakong tse re tsamaelang mo go tsone is very important when it comes to our trade outlook.

Fa re bapile le mafatshe a mangwe jaana re bapadisana le one, fa re tsaya ditshwetso mo lefatsheng la rona re tshwanetse gore re gakologelwe gore ditshwetso tse di ama mafatshe a re bapadisanyang le one.
Fa re budulala fela re tsenya ogklaap ka Seburu, re bo re re re tsaya tshwetso ka gore e siametse Batswana, re sa lebelele gore ditlamorago tsa yone mo go ba re agisanyang le bone ke eng, ga go supe fa re dira Foreign Policy e e nang le integrity.

Mr Chairperson, re kile ra lela thata nako e South Africa e neng e dira gore Kompone ya Hyundai e fuduge mo Botswana, e fudugele kwa South Africa.
South Africa was looking at its national interests, mme re ne ra bokolela thata gore re na le moagisanyi yo o sa siamang mo go rona, e bile re e bitsa economic…ke lebala term ya teng, I will find the term.

Gore ba ne ba dira ka bomo go senya itsholelo ya rona, to set back our industrial development.

Mme rona re kgona go tsoga phakela fela re bo re re, nnyaa ka gore re batla go tlhabolola molemi wa merogo mo Botswana, we are now banning importation ya merogo 100 per cent, with effect from today.
Golo moo is not neighbourly Mr Chairperson; completely not neighbourly.

Fa o le a neighbour yo o tsayang tsia ditirisanyo tsa gago le moagisanyi wa gago, o tshwanetse gore o lemoge gore your decisions di ya go ama jang yo o agisantseng le ene.

Ga o lebelele fela gore nnyaa ke batla go godisa molemi wa Botswana, gore mang o a reng kana mang o amega jang yo o ntseng a rekisa mo lefatsheng la me, ga go re sepe.

That is inconsiderate Foreign Policy Mr Chairperson.
Fela jaaka re ne re lelela Hyundai, ke dumela gore balemi ba South Africa kwa ba leng teng le bone ba a lela, ka gore they spent money ba itse gore one of their markets ke Botswana.

I would have expected this thing to have been done progressively, in recognition of the interest of our neighbours.

Jaanong re ipolelela gore re ka tsaya tshwetso e re e ratang, yo o sa rateng a ka ya kwa a yang teng.
33 Hansard No 205Wednesday 9th March, 2022ORGANISATION 1500 – MINISTRY OF INTERNATIONAL AFFAIRS AND COOPERATIONCommittee of Supply Kgang e nngwe e e rileng re buisana le ba lephata kgantele which we raised Mr Chairperson ke e, gore go hiriwa ga badiredi mo Ministry of International Affairs and Cooperation, go tshwanetse go supafale gore ngwana mongwe le mongwe wa Motswana go tswa ntlheng tsotlhe tsa lefatshe, go sa kgatlhalesege gore sefane sa gagwe ke mang, o tshwanetse gore a nne le tshono ya go ka hirwa kwa International Affairs, a go ya berekela kwa United Nations (UN), London le Japan.
Re se ka ra bona surnames tse di rileng e nna tsone tse di hirwang kwa ministry, e nna Diplomats.

Se sengwe se ke se buileng Mr Chairperson ke gore, tsamaiso e e kileng ya nna teng nako nngwe, ke dumela gore e ne e le nako ya ga Mma Venson, ya gore ba merafe e e disadvantaged, jaaka go kile ga hirwa ngwana mongwe yo o neng a tswa kwa New Xade, a nna a Diplomat a felela a bereka kwa London, from New Xade to London.

Ke dumela gore seo e ne e le selo se sentle thata.


Minister, I would like to see nako nngwe ngwana yo o tswang kwa Okavango wa Mombukushu, Moxherepu, Mosarwa, Moherero kana Mombanderu a hirilwe kwa International Affairs a emetse lefatshe la Botswana khutlong tsotlhe tsa lefatshe kwa re nang le boemedi teng.

Moo go tlaa supa tota gore lefatshe le is inclusive in giving opportunities to every child of this country, provided a na le qualifications tseo.
Gompieno fa o leba the representation ya Diplomats tsa rona Mr Chairperson, o tlaa bona fela gore nnyaa dintlha dingwe tsa lefatshe la Botswana di santse di saletse kwa morago thata, in being reflected mo bodireding jwa rona jwa mafatshe a sele.

Ke batla go leboga gape Mr Chairperson, gore Botswana a bo a dira boikarabelo jwa gagwe under the Southern African Development Community (SADC) Standby Force, under the SADC Multi-lateral Security Arrangements, a dira tiro e a e dirang kwa Mozambique.
Ke gone jaaka re supa gore we are a part of the region and of the world.

Ga gona lefatshe le le tshelang like an island.

Ke dumela gore ntwa ya Russia e tshwanetse go re botsha gompieno gore ga re ka ke ra ikanya bosole bo le nosi re le lefatshe le le nnyennyane jaaka Botswana.

We would rather rely on our diplomatic relations and international friends more than on our little army gore e ka re emela ya re sireletsa, when a big neighbour turns against us.
Ke dumela gore selo seo has been clearly demonstrated by ntwa ya kwa Russia.

Fa o le lefatshe le le nnyennyane, o a bo o itshenyetsa nako le madi a mantsi; o tshela madi mo sesoleng o na le neighbour ya gago e e leng gore tota fela ga o ka ke wa emisana le yone fa go tla mo ntweng.

It is better you build the best international relations than to rely on military o o itseng gore ga o ka ke wa emisana le yo o bapileng le ene.
Ya bofelo Mr Chairperson, Tona re buile le ene gore a tlhokomele thata projects tsa rona tse di kwa mafatsheng a sele tse di diegileng, especially the Chancery e e kwa Addis Ababa.

E na le dingwaga go ntse go buiwa ka yone, ga e fele.

Sa bofelo, ke bue ka ditshenyegelo tse our embassies di tsenang mo go tsone for maintenance of properties.

There is a notion mo mafatsheng a re leng kwa go one gore embassies are institutions tse di humileng.
There is that perception fela ya gore kwa embassy ga se madi ke tlang le bone.

There is a practice unwritten ya gore when you deal le embassies, prices tsa gago o tshwanetse go di tsholeletsa kwa mankalengkaleng ka gore mo go bone madi is not an issue.

What I am saying is that, expenditure controls di tshwanetse go nna teng, so that this notion ya gore embassies di humile re leke go e reverse.

Batho ba tlhaloganye gore embassies le tsone di a tšhona fela jaaka maphata a mangwe a ga Goromente jalojalo.
Ke bona o tsholetsa tlhogo gore nako e fedile.

Ke a leboga rraetsho.

MINISTER OF ENVIRONMENT, NATURAL RESOURCES CONSERVATION AND TOURISM (MS KERENG): Ke a leboga Mr Chairperson.

Le nna mma ke tseye sebaka se ke amogele, ke bo ke dumalane le kopo ya madi ya ga Honourable Minister Kwape ya dikgang tsa mafatshe a sele le tirisanyo mmogo ya mafatshe a a kwa ntle.

Ke lemoga fa a supa gore ba ntse ba tsweletse jang mo lephateng mo ditirong tsa bone tsa go lomaganya Botswana le mafatshe a mangwe.
Ke lebogele se ba ntseng ba se dira le se ba tsweletseng ba se dira ka go bapatsa Botswana e le lefelo la bogorogelo la bojanala.

Jaaka a supa mo paragraph 6 gore lefatshe ka bophara le mo nakong ya gore re tsoge mo COVID-19, le tourism e mo legatong la go tsoga mo manokonokong a COVID-19.

Re bone ba re thusa go tsenelela metseletsele ya ipapatso e re e tseneng kwa mafatsheng a a farologanyeng le kwa Rwanda.
E bile maduo a mantle a bonagetse ka gore fa ba ntse ba re thusa go kopana le mafatshe jalo virtually and physically, re kgona go bonwa ke mafatshe.

Re bona bojanala bo simolola go tsoga jaaka re letse re utlwa gotwe plane nngwe e gorogile ka bajanala ba le 120.

E tlaabo e ntse e ba tlisa fela jalo.

Ke one maduo a ditomagano tse di ntseng jalo.

Fa re lomagane le mafatshe jaana, ba bona gore Botswana ke lefatshe le le siametseng gore bajanala ba ba tswang mo COVID ba ka tla kwano.
Re ne ra tlhophiwa ke mafatshe gore go 34 Hansard No 205Wednesday 9th March, 2022ORGANISATION 1500 – MINISTRY OF INTERNATIONAL AFFAIRS AND COOPERATIONCommittee of Supply tliwe kwano go kopanelwa African Tourism Leadership Forum mo dingwageng tse tharo go simologa ngwaga wa gompieno.

Go supa gore tota maiteko a lephata go re thusa go lomagana le go ya kwa mafatsheng, a tlaa ya golo gongwe.
Mo paragraph 6; ke leke go gatelela gore foreign missions tse a supang gore di tsweletse di dira tiro, mme gone ba thusiwe ka capacity ya go nonotsha ka fa ba bapatsang Botswana ka teng.

Tourism promotion e dirwa ke foreign missions and embassies.

Batho bao ba a leka mme ke bona o kare ba tlhaelelwa ka ditsompelo.

O supa mo kopong ya madi gore e ya promotional activities, madi a mannyennyane.

Go botlhokwa ka gore re batla go diragatsa policy ya tourism.
How does the Ministry wa Mafatshefatshe assists Batswana ba ba kwa ntle.

Batswana in diaspora ba bereka ba tshwaragane le foreign missions kana embassies go rekisa lefatshe la rona.

Ke tlaa supa sekai; kwa Denmark, ke letse ke utlwa mongwe Motswana yo o sa bolong go nna teng a re o thusiwa ke embassy ya rona teng gore a tsenelele ditshupo tsa African Village.

Ba tlaabo ba mo thusa le rona re tshwaragane le gore re mo thuse.

Golo moo o se ka ya nna gore ke ga mongwefela a tla a re ke a dira nthuseng.
A go nne le lenaneo le le tsepameng la gore Batswana ba ba kwa ntle ga lefatshe, re tshwaragana jang gore re ba thuse gore ba re rekisetse lefatshe la rona.

Paragraph 7; o ne a supa gore re lemoga missions gore di a bereka.

Gompieno fa re bua gore go ntse go le mo motseletseleng wa Dubai Expo, bangwe ba ipotsa gore a mme expo e e na le maduo?

Ee, e na le maduo mme office e e tsamaisang dithulaganyo tsa Dubai Expo e e kwa Kuwait, e lebega e tlhaela ka bodiredi.
Jaanong fa re tsamaya re rekisa lefatshe mme batho ba United Arab Emirates ba batla go tla kwano, go batla gore go nonotshiwe ofisi e e maleba.

Gongwe go bulwe ofisi kwa Dubai go tsamaisa ditirelo tsa go ka thusa bajanala ka kwano, re bo re tiisa le tshwaragano jalo.

Paragraph 8; tota re batla go tiisa ka fa Batswana ba tsenyang letseno ka teng jaaka ba kgatlhega, ba na le bokgoni.

Ke ne ke supile ka bana ba ba mo diaspora.


O supile mo paragraph 9 Motlotlegi Tona gore le fa go ne go na le travel restrictions, ga le ise le eme gore re tswelele re tshwaragane le mafatshe.

A go tswelele go ntse jalo, e bile gape le re thuse ka kwano re nne re tlisa batho.

Fa go ne go na le letshwenyego la gore COVID-19 mesepele e a idiwa, kwa re ileng teng kwa ntle ga go ise go nne le reports tse di supang bodiphatsa jo Batswana ba bo bonang ba tswetse kwa ntle.
Mr Chairperson, mo paragraph 10, o kopa gore re tshwaragane re le maphata, re nne lentswe lengwefela fa re ya kwa ntle, ke tsaya gore Motlotlegi Kapinga o ntse a bua ka kgang eo.

Re tshwanetse go buisana, re neelane reports, re neelane lentswe e tle e re fa re tswela kwa ntle, re bo re bofagane re bua selo se se tshwanang.

O bua sentle gore tshwaragano e e tiileng mo maphateng e botlhokwa gore re dire jalo, ka gore re tloga re ya go bua dilo tse dingwe tse di sa re emeng sentle.
Mr Chairperson, paragraph 21 o buile ka trade and investment le tourism, ke setse ke fetile ka yone gore expos di ntse di a dirwa.

Re batla gore go nonotshiwe.

Global agenda; ke lebogele gore lephata le ntse le re thusa go tsenelela dipuisanyo tsa mafatshefatshe jaaka re tswa kwa United Nations Environment Assembly, Conference of the Parties (COP) 26 ba climate change le Tautona a ntse a tswa koo.

Gone re lebogela gore le bo le re thusa jalo.

Economic and Social Council (ECOSOC) President ke Motswana.
Ke batla le nna ke gatelele kopo ya gore diphatlha tse di leng teng mo mekgatlhong ya mafatshe tse di ka tswelang Batswana ba ba nang le kitso le bokgoni, a di re bulegele.

Di tswe di le dintsi, get us more of such opportunities.

Ke lebogele President wa ECOSOC, rre wa Motswana, yo ke tswang go mmona kwa Kenya mo bekeng e e fetileng.

Development assistance le yone re e lebogele.

Tautona o ne a tsere mogwanto o o kanakana go bua le mafatshe gore re bone mekento le health supplies.
Jaaka o bona gompieno re na le maduo a mantle le boipelo jo re nang le jone mo go laoleng mogare wa COVID-19.

Mr Chairperson, kwa budget motlotlegi o supa gore madi a, a mannyennyane thata go rekisa Botswana.

Mongwame, a ko re tle re buisane gore re ka dira jang thekiso ya Botswana.

The foreign missions ke lekalana le le botlhokwa go ka re thusa.

Go botlhokwa gore re nne le ditsompelo tse di lekaneng go kgona go diragatsa seo.
Kwa bofelong, ke gatelele fa a ne a bua ka Development Budget gore ba tlaabo ba tlhabolola dikago kwa Addis Ababa.

Ke lemogile kwa Kenya gore dikago tsa diofisi tsa boemedi, lefatshe la Botswana le di rekile.

Go raya gore ga re duele rents tse dintsi.

Re lebelele gore re dire jalo mo mafatsheng ka bontsi re tle re fokotse rents.

Le one matlo a badiri ba rona ba ba kwa ntle, re dire jaaka ba ne ba kgona go reka diofisi kwa Kenya, re kgone go boloka madi.
O tle o tlhalose gore a ke kwa Kenya fela kana ke kae kwa re nang le dikago tse re di itheketseng 35 Hansard No 205Wednesday 9th March, 2022ORGANISATION 1500 – MINISTRY OF INTERNATIONAL AFFAIRS AND COOPERATIONCommittee of Supply kana kwa re hirisang teng.

A madi a rent ga a re babalele mongwame?

Ke wela ka ya policy.

O supa gore policy e e tlaa wela e mo tseleng.


Kana policy e ke yone e e tshwanetseng gore e lemoganye ditirelo tsa maphata tse di farologaneng gore e re fa re ya go bua ka Tourism Policy kana marketing, policy nngwe le nngwe ya lephata lengwe le lengwe e e nang le international relations, o bone gore re a di lomaganya ka tsela e e ntseng jalo re tle re se ka ra tlhoka go tshwaraganela lentswe le lengwefela.

Mr Chairperson, ke atla ke bo ke ema nokeng kopo ya madi ya Lephata la Mafatshe a Sele.
Ke re tota mme budget di kwa tlase.

Gongwe fa e ka re re ntse re lebeletse ka fa le re thusang ka teng ra bona gore letseno la madi le ka tokafadiwa ka tsela e e ntseng jang.

Mr Chairperson, kwa bofelong ke akgole le ene Tautona Rre Masisi jaaka a ne a tsamaya a dirisa diplomacy e e leng gore lephata leno le lebagane le yone go rekisa Rre Magosi e le Executive Secretary wa Southern African Development Community (SADC).

A re diriseng monyetla oo gore Botswana a ntshe tlhogo mo SADC.
Re kgone go bona ditirelo di tla kwano, hosting ditiragalo tse di farologaneng.

Re kgone go bona bana ba rona ba bereka mo diphatlheng tse di ka tswang di le teng.

Kwa bofelong, SADC le yone e nne a competitive body e e leng gore e ka gaisana le bo Economic Community of West African States (ECOWAS) le East African Block ba re bonang ba gatetse pele mo go rekiseng regions tsa bone.

Ke re a re tseyeng monyetla o gore SADC le yone re e nonotshe gore e re buelele.
Mr Chairperson, ke re ke eme nokeng ka mafoko ao, I thank you.

MR CHAIRPERSON: Thank you Honourable of Environment, Natural Resources Minister Conservation and Tourism.

You are going to be followed by the Honourable Minister responsible for Presidential Affairs and Public Administration and also Honourable Member of Parliament for Molepolole South.

He is none other than Honourable Kabo Neale Sechele Morwaeng, Rraagwe Rati.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ke ene wa ditilo kwa Bontleng.


MINISTER PRESIDENTIAL PUBLIC AFFAIRS, GOVERNANCE AND ADMINISTRATION (MR MORWAENG): Mma ke FOR go ikokobeletse Modulasetilo.

Ke leboge boeteledipele jotlhe jo bo leng fano.

Ke a ikokobetsa rra.

Ke re ke ema fa ke leboga Tona wa tsa Mafatshe a Sele ka kopo ya gagwe e ke e emang nokeng ka gore Lephata le la Foreign Affairs, ke lephata le le botlhokwatlhokwa mo go re golaganyeng le mafatshe a sele.
Ke lephata le e leng gore fela jaaka mebuso yotlhe mafatshe otlhe le maphata otlhe a ile a amiwa ke bolwetse jwa COVID, le bone ba Foreign Affairs mo dikgannyeng tsa bone mo go re emeleng kwa ntle le tirisanyo ya bone le mafatshe a sele, COVID ga e a ka ya ba itshwarela, le bone e ne ya ba ama.
Re tshwanete re leboge gore le mororo COVID e ne e maile mafatshefatshe, Lephata la Mafatshe a Sele le ile la ema ka dinao, ga le a ipona tsapa, le ne la dira gotlhe mo go kgonegang gore ba re emele ka botswapelo le bonokopila jo bo rileng go bona gore melemo e e ka kwano re boloka matshelo a batho, bana ba rona ba ba kwa mafatsheng a sele ba a babalesega, Batswana ba ba kwa mafatsheng a sele ba itse ka bone gore go diragala eng.
Selo se re tshwanetse re se lebogele Puso le ba Lephata le la Mafatshe a Sele gore ba dirile tiro ka botlalo.

Re a leboga e bile tswelelang le dire jalo batho betsho.

E bile kana fa nne madi a le teng, boammaaruri ke gore le ka bo le okeleditswe, mathata ke madi a a seyong.

Lephata le la Mafatshe a Sele le agile ditirisanyo tse e leng gore ka nako e telele fale le fale re ne re tswa kgakala ka tsone di le dintle, ya re fale tsa se ka tsa tsamaya sentle.
Mo gompienong re leboga gore e sale Motlotlegi Rraetsho Tautona Masisi a nna Tautona wa lefatshe le a bo a lwela gore ditirisanyo tsa rona le mafatshe a re bapileng le one le Africa le a a kgakala e nne tse dintle.

Re bona lephata le le dira tiro ka botlalo go re golaganya le mafatshe a re bapileng le one.

Re lebogela tirisanyo e re e bonang e kwenne gareng ga rona le mafatshe a SADC; bo Namibia, Afrika Borwa, Zimbabwe, Mozambique le Zambia, mafatshe otlhe a a re dikologileng.
Ga go lepe la one le re gotlhagotlhanang le lone.

Re mo ditirisanyong tse dintle le mafatshe ano a re bapileng le one.

Kopo ya me ke gore Tona yo o maleba Dr Kwape, tswelela ka tiro e ntle e o e dirang o romilwe ke Motlotlegi Rraetsho Tautona.

O dire tiro e gore re tswelele ka fa re tsweletseng ka teng.

Tiro ya lona e a bonala jaaka ba bangwe ba tlhalositse ka gore fa go na lefatshe lepe le e leng gore it is an island.

Nnyaa, lefatshe lepe le ka senne le le nosi la nna setlhakatlhake.
Re tshwanetse re dirisanye le a mangwe.

Re a leboga.

36 Hansard No 205Wednesday 9th March, 2022ORGANISATION 1500 – MINISTRY OF INTERNATIONAL AFFAIRS AND COOPERATIONCommittee of Supply Lephata le la Foreign Affairs fa nne madi a le teng le ka bo le okeleditswe gore le tsweledise tiro e ya lone.

re sone se a se tswelele rra fela jaaka Motlotlegi Tautona a dira a leka.
Bagaetsho, re a itse gore jaaka o supa mo mokwalong wa gago, re na le boemedi kwa ntle bo ka nna 23, embassies tsa rona or diplomatic missions tse di dirang tiro ka botlalo.

Kwa di dirang teng gantsi o fitlhela e le gore diofisi tsa rona fa gongwe di sa wela sentle, di sa nna sentle, tse dingwe di le dikgologolo thata.

Ke re boammaaruri ke gore fa madi a bonetse Rre Kwape, a re di oketse, re di tokafatse.
E bile fa go kgonegang teng jaaka kwa mafatsheng a re nang le boemedi jo e leng jwa sennela ruri jaaka kwa bo Addis Ababa le Switzerland, a koo re kgone gore re reke dikago, re dire dikago, re reke e nne dikago tsa rona.

Kwa bo America re reke dikago fa go kgonega gore re tle re boloke madi.

Fa go kgonega re bo re hirise dikago tse dingwe teng koo, re hirisetse ba bangwe ka gore mafatshe ao a turu thata.
Ka tsela eo, Rre Kwape, ke ne ke kopa gore akanyang kwa lephateng la gago gore kwa go kgonegang teng a re nne le dikago tsa seruri gore re se ka ra senyegelwa ka rent gore re tle re kgone go thusa bana ba rona, Batswana ba ba kwa mafatshefatsheng ba se ka ba sokola.

Ke a leboga rraetsho gore bilateral relations tse re tsweletseng ka tsone jaaka le ntse le dira le bo Malawi le mafatshe a mangwe jaaka ke boletse a SADC, di tlaa re ungwela fa re bua ka kgang ya itsholelo.
Lefatshe fa le tshwana le la rona, re le fa re leng teng, re tlhoka ba re bapileng le bone go tswelela pele.

Ke dumela gore rona re le Mapalamente, re le Matona, re le Batswana ka bophara, re tlaa thusa Goromente le lefatshe le go rekisa Botswana kwa mafatsheng a sele.

E seng go etsa ba o fitlhelang corner to corner ba tlhasela lefatshe la bone fa dilo di sa mo tsamaele sentle.

O bua lefatshe leswe, moeka a ipolelela gore ke gone fa a e tshwere sentle.
Re leboga Motlotlegi Rraetsho Tautona yo o tsamayang a rekisa lefatshe le, Tona wa Mafatshe a Sele, Matona a mangwe le Batswana ba bangwe.

Ke re re ithotloetse re le Batswana, re le baemedi, re le baeteledipele gore re itse gore lefatshe le ke la rona.

Fa e le gore go ngadile mo gae o bo o tsamaya o bua lefatshe la gago leswe kwa ntle, ga o dire gore go babalelwe Tautona le lefatshe e bile o senyetsa Batswana lefatshe la bone.
Dikgang tsa rona tsa mo gae a re di rarabolole mo gae, re se ka ra iphitlhela e le gore jaanong re ya kwa ntle re bo re leka go senya lefatshe mme go sa nna sentle.

Bona gompieno gore re isitse sesole sa rona kwa Mozambique, we are involved.

Tautona wa rona, Goromente wa rona le sesole sa rona, we are involved.

We are part of SADC.

Ga re sa tlhole re le isolated.

Ke Tautona has been all over.

Ke diplomat wa rona yo motona who markets lefatshe le, he markets dikgatlhego tsa lefatshe.
A le rona re le Batswana re itse gore go botlhokwa gore re dire jalo re mo sale morago.

Foreign service, ke a leboga ka gore fa re ntse re tsamaya le mafatshe re le kwa bo Zimbabwe ka tiro, nako nngwe ke fitlhetse rre yo mongwe wa kwa Maun a bidiwa Rre Fisher, a emetse lefatshe la rona.
Ke itse yo mongwe o bidiwa Rre Nkate nkgonne, o tswa kwa Tsau, go bapa le ka kwa ga bo Rre Kapinga, le ene Rre Kapinga ke tsaya gore o kile a emela lefatshe le... HONOURABLE MEMBER: O raya bogologolo Puso e santse e tsamaisiwa sentle.

MR MORWAENG: Rre Kapinga o ne a emetse lefatshe le kwa mafatsheng, Rre Goitsemang o ntse Permanent Secretary wa Foreign Affairs for quite some time.

Rre Rando wa kwa Maun, ke go bapa le ... HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ke eng o o fa dikai ka Maun fela?

MR CHAIRPERSON: Order!

Order!


Please!

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ke eng o o fa dikai ka mmuso o mogologolo, tlisa dikai tsa Puso ya gompieno e o leng mo go yone... MR CHAIRPERSON: Order!

Order!

MR MORWAENG: Ntshireletse... MR CHAIRPERSON: Order!

Order!

Honourable Hikuama... MR HIKUAMA: Nnyaa, mo reye a ntshe dikai ka Puso ya gompieno e e kgethololo... MR CHAIRPERSON: ...(Inaudible)… switch off Honourable...Honourable yourself!

Please keep quiet!

We are talking diplomacy here, please!


Honourable Minister continue.

MR MORWAENG: Rra ke ne ke re ke fa dikai ka gore motlotlegi... HONOURABLE MEMBER: Le ene o senya ka go isa ditilo kwa Kgotleng.

MR CHAIRPERSON: Order!

Honourable Mmolotsi, ga ke go itse o ntse jalo aah!
37 Hansard No 205Wednesday 9th March, 2022ORGANISATION 1500 – MINISTRY OF INTERNATIONAL AFFAIRS AND COOPERATIONCommittee of Supply MR MORWAENG: Motlotlegi Rre Kapinga, ke mmolelela fela ba ba gaufi le ene kwa gaabo, le gore le ene o itebetse gore o kile a emela lefatshe le kwa mafatsheng.

Ga e re go isiwa bana ba Batswana kwa mafatsheng ngwana ope including Rre Kapinga ga a ise a bodiwe gore o tswa kwa motseng ofe.
Fa go hirwa mo Botswana le mo ditirong fela tsa mo gae ga o bodiwe letso, ga o bodiwe kwa o tswang teng.

Kgang ke gore o ngwana wa Motswana ...(inaudible)…tiro eo.

Tiro ya mo Botswana kgang ke go a o a kgona jaaka bana botlhe ba ba kgonang ba ba kwa mafatsheng a sele, ba ba re direlang.

Motlotlegi Rre Kapinga o a itse gore le fa a nna lepodise ga a ise a bodiwe gore o tswa kwa morafeng ofe, ga se yone qualification mo Botswana fa o hirwa.
Ke kopa gore a re itseng gore re le tšhaba, re lebile gore o Motswana o a kgona period!

Jaanong ke re ya ditilo, nnyaa ga ke na go e akgela ka gore ke lebonga la ga Rre Mmolotsi le le lelang, le lelela se le se lelelang, ga ke na go le araba.

Ke ema nokeng kopo ya ga Tona, wa mafatshe a sele gore kopo ya gagwe e amogelwe ka gore we cannot do without Foreign Affairs.
Re tlhoka gore re bo re dirisanya le mafatshe a sele, mme Puso e re kgonne gore tirisanyo ya rona le mafatshefatshe e nne ya seemo se se kwa godimo.

Tirisanyo ya rona le mafatshe including South Africa o mongwe a ntseng a bua a re ga e a nna sentle, ke re nnyaa, moo ke ditsiabadimo.

Re a itse go na le ba ba eletsang gore re ka bo re sena tirisanyo le mafatshe a mangwe.

MR CHAIRPERSON: Your time is up Honourable Minister, thank you.

MR MORWAENG: Ke a leboga.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: ...(Inaudible)…ya ditilo.


MR CHAIRPERSON: May we have order please!

Honourable Tshekedi Stanford Khama.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Mr Chairperson, raya batho ba mpusetse mo teng bao.

MR CHAIRPERSON: Your diplomacy seems to be wanting, we cannot.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Mr Chairperson, raya batho ba mpusetse mo teng.

HONOURABLE Honourable Chairperson, ne e le gore we will swap with him komiti MEMBER: e nngwe.

O tlaa re itshwarela re ne ra se ka ra bua le wena.
MR CHAIRPERSON: So it is going to be you Honourable Member for Jwaneng-Mabutsane?

MR REATILE: Hallelujah Mr Chairperson.

MR CHAIRPERSON: Please take the floor Honourable Reatile.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: O a bo o batla re go latela gone kwa o leng teng koo.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Nnyaa se tshosetse Chairperson.

MR CHAIRPERSON: Ke tlaa mo koba, kooteng o ithaya a re modumonyana o wa gagwe o kgatlha mongwe.

Ke tlaa go leleka.

Please take your floor.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Mpusetse mo teng.


HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… MR CHAIRPERSON: Honourable Reatile.

MR REATILE (JWANENG-MABUTSANE): Yes Mr Chairperson, ke ne ke re ba bue gongwe ke tlaa tla ke bua ba sena go fetsa.

MR CHAIRPERSON: Take the floor, ke go sireleditse Motlotlegi Mopalamente.

MR REATILE: Yes Mr Chairperson, ke ne ke re re leboge kopo ya madi ya ga Motlotlegi Honourable Kwape e a e beileng fa pele ga ntlo e. Ke dumela gore o setse a re tlhaloseditse kwa a tswang teng le kwa a yang teng.
Gongwe fela le nna ke simolole fela ka gore ke lele le ba ntlo ya goora Palai Mr Chairperson, gore re bo re latlhegetswe ke senatla mo bodirelapusong jwa rona jwa lefatshe la Botswana.

Ke mo itse ka dingwaga tsone tseo tse di fa moragonyana e santse e le mongwe wa bo Permanent Secretary ba rona mo lefatsheng le, go fitlhelela a romiwa kwa ntle kwa e ntseng e le gone kwa a re tshwaretseng thomo.
Ke dumela gore mowa wa gagwe o tlaa robala ka kagiso, ke gone kwa re yang teng, dinao tsa rona rotlhe di lebile koo, ke gone fela kwa re a bong re ile gae.

Jaanong ke gone ka fa go ntseng ka teng.

Kgang ya me Mr Chairperson, gongwe ke simolole fela ka gore, go boammaaruri Foreign Affairs e nale tiro e ntsi, ke bone ba ba ka buang tshiamo, le bontle jwa lefatshe bo bonwa mo go bone kwa ba re emetseng ba le teng.
E bile policies tsa lefatshe le gore a Botswana ke o o amogelesegang kana jang, ke bone ba tota re beileng mo go bone, gore bontle jwa lefatshe le ke bone ba ba 38 Hansard No 205Wednesday 9th March, 2022ORGANISATION 1500 – MINISTRY OF INTERNATIONAL AFFAIRS AND COOPERATIONCommittee of Supply tsamayang ba bo sikere, bo mo pounameng tsa bone.

Tshiamo ya lefatshe e utlwala mo pounameng tsa bone.

Pele fa mafatshe kana ditšhaba di kopana le Batswana, di a bo di setse di kopane le bone pele.
Ba bo ba bona gore mme Botswana ke lefatshe le re ka tshelang le lone.

Ke lefatshe le tota re ka le etelang, batho ba teng ba rata kagiso ka fa ba ntseng ka teng.
Mr Chairperson, kgang e nngwe e ke neng ke batla gore fa re ntse re tswelela Honourable Kwape le ba a dirang na bo ba leke go bona gore ba a e tsibogela, ke gore fa re tsena mo dipakeng tse, gompieno jaana mafatshe bontsi mo dikgannyeng tse di tshwanang le tse re leng mo go tsone tse jaaka gompieno go lowa jaana, go tshwanetse jaaka re ntse re tsamaya jaana Mr Chairperson, position ya lefatshe mo caucuses, e bo Mapalamente, bo Tona, top executive, ba bo ba di itse.
Ka gore e kare kamoso re bo re kukeleditswe molelo ke Batswana ba ba kwadileng kwa bo Twitter, le Facebook, e bo kamoso re simolola re aramela mosi wa dikgong tse di metsi ka dikgang tse di neng di le kgakala le rona.

Re bo re felela re di laletsa ka gore jaanong re batho ba re batlang gore rona re itsaya gore re bo mang.
Ke re ke bua maikutlo ame, mme fa ke bua maikutlo ame go bo go raya gore ke a buile ke le Motswana, ke bo ke tsenya Batswana mo tsietsing, mo dipharagobeng tse ba neng ba le kgakala le gore ba ka tsena mo go tsone.

Ke sone se ke dumelang gore Kwape le ba a nang le bone ba tshwanetse gore dikgang tse ba nne ba fatlholola Batswana, gore e tle e re kamoso Batswana ba bo ba kgona gore…e le gore ke bogogi ba kgone go kgalema nako e sale teng fa ba a bong ba le teng.
Fa ba bona dilo di ntse di…(inaudible)…ka gore nako le nako fa di tla they land kwa ofising ya gagwe gore, tlhalosa gore ke eng le le Batswana le re, le re.

O ya go fitlhela dikgang tse dingwe tse, gotlhelele bone ba ise ba di bone, ba ise ba di utlwe, mme ba jaanong di tseneng ka ditsebe tsa bone ba dumela gore ba simolola go re leba ka modilo.

Damage control ya teng e nna ntsi, e batla budget e tlhoafetseng.
Go simolola o aga botsala jo bo kileng jwa bo bo le teng, gongwe bo agolotswe ke motho kana ke setlhophanyana.

Ke dilo tse ke dumelang gore dipaka tse Foreign Policy o tshwanetse o bone gore o e gabodisa Batswana.

E nne mogabolo mo go bone, ba tshele ka yone.

Ba e tlhaloganye mo go feteletseng gore, fa go nna le dikgotlhang kwa botlhaba jwa lefatshe go raya eng, ka kwa bophirima go raya eng, mo Africa go raya eng.

Mo botlhaba gare go raya eng.


Ke tsone dikgang tse o tshwanetseng gore e bo o di gabodisa Batswana, ba di tlhaloganye.

Ka gore ga go tshwane le pele, Honourable Minister le Honourable Chairperson, mo e neng e le gore le fa re bua, lefatshe ga le mo seatleng se le sengwe fela.

Jaanong technology e dirile gore dikgang tse ke di buang gompieno jaana e bo e le gore ba Brazil ba di beile leitlho, di a goroga mo diofising tsotlhe kwa Brazil.

Dikgang tse ke di buang gone fa di a goroga kwa Portugal.
Jaanong ke dikgang tse go batlang o netefatsa gore ka fa o kileng wa bo o tshwara Batswana ka teng o le wa Foreign Affairs, o tshwanetse o itse gore you have to up your game go netefatsa gore e se ka ya re kamoso ba babedi bao, ba diretse setšhaba sa lefatshe la Botswana matlhomolapelo.
Modulasetilo, dikgang tse dingwe tse gongwe motho o ka fetang ka tsone ke tsa gore a re ne re netefatsa gore jaaka Honourable Kwape o itse gore gompieno re mo dikgannyeng tsa bo Commonwealth Parliamentary Association (CPA), Inter-Parliamentary Union (IPU) or international bodies tse e leng gore ke tsa Palamente, ke bone batho ba e leng gore fa ke bua ka bogakolodi, o ka simolola gone foo.
O netefatsa gore o ba neela position ya lefatshe ka dikgang tse ka gore ke bua jaana Mr Chairperson, ka gore bontsi jwa mafatshe ke gone ka fa a dirang ka teng.

Kwano go nna jaaka e kete Foreign Policy ke dilo tsa Foreign Affairs, di bo di tshwarwa ke Cabinet.
E bo e le gore jaanong kamoso e le gore Mapalamente gongwe ba le kwa bo IPU ba debate mo position e e leng gore ke ya lefatshe, go bo gotwe jaanong Mapalamente a ga Honourable Skelemani ba re diretse mathata, gompieno ba tswa go bua ba riana ba riana.

Potso ke gore Foreign Affairs o ne o le bokgakala bo kae fa Mapalamente ba ya go bua dikgang tse di ntseng jalo?
Ke tsone dikgang tse re tshwanetseng re itse gore nako le nako re nna lefufa ka dikgang tse e leng gore e kare kamoso di bo di kgotletswe ke Reatile, yo o neng a re a le kwa a leng teng, a bo a akanyetsa gore Botswana e ka tswa e riana.

E le gore ga ke re ke bua mo position ya lefatshe, ke akanyetsa gore ke gone ka fa Botswana e ka tswa e ntse ka teng ka gore ke tlhokile yo o neng a ka leka gore a tsibose dikgang tse nako e sa le teng, a di arogane le rona.
E nngwe e e neng e le gore ke ne ke re ke tle ke e bue Mr Chairperson, ke rata thata gore Honourable Kwape, o ka bo o re bolelela gore ka gore golo kwa African Union (AU) le feletse le dumela gore Israel e nne observers mme tshwetso e sa tsewa ke Professional Regulation Council (PRC), go dirile officer.
Dikgato tse le di tsereng ke dife le di tseela officer ya go nna jalo ka gore ga ke dumele gore a officer e ka nna powerful go feta forums tsotlhe tse di kwa AU, go bo go sa nne 39 Hansard No 205Wednesday 9th March, 2022ORGANISATION 1500 – MINISTRY OF INTERNATIONAL AFFAIRS AND COOPERATIONCommittee of Supply le kgato epe e a e tseelwang?
Go tsweng foo fa le setse le ya go buisanya kgang e a tsentseng Africa mo matlhabisaditlhong, e bo e le gore jaanong ba bangwe ba ba buang Sefora, ba simolola to side le ene.

Dikgang tse e leng gore mo gae jaanong fa o tsena fa, ga o di abelane le Mapalamente gore e tle e re kamoso kwa ba leng teng gotwe ke eng fa lona kwa Africa le tsere tshwetso ya gore jaanong Israel e bo e nna observers mo AU, ba bo ba tlhaloganya gore kgang eo e dule fa, e eme fa.
E tswa fa e ya kwa boketekete, re lekile go e akgela jaana, gompieno re dumela gore re ya go e tseela dikgato tse di ntseng jaana.

Go tlaabo go sa bodiwe Honourable Kwape ka nako eo, go tlaabo go bodiwa Mapalamente ba le kwa Commonwealth Parliament, go tlaabo go bodiwa potso Mopalamente a le kwa IPU.

Ke dikgang tse Mapalamente ba tshwanetseng gore ba di tlhaloganye ka gore ga gona sepe se se confidential mo teng.

Ke kgang e e leng gore re aga brand le position ya lefatshe la Botswana.
It has to be known by each and every leader mo lefatsheng la Botswana ka mabaka a gore gone moo fela Mr Chairperson, go ka felela go re diretse dikgotlhang le mafatshe a re tswang kgakala re tshela le one.

Ke rata lefatshe la Botswana le diphathi tsa kganetso ka gore mo position ya Western Sahrawi, a ke opposition kana the ruling party, re dumalana ka yone.

Fa o tsena mo kgannyeng ya maPalastines, a ke opposition kana the ruling party, re dumalana ka yone mme ga re ise re e kopanele.
Ba opposition ba tsere position ya bone koo, not gore ba ne ba sosoediwa ke ope.

Kwa Palestine ba tsere position ya bone koo ba sa sosoediwa ke ope, jaanong dikgang tse dingwe fa di tlhagoga Honourable Kwape, netefatsa gore e se ka ya re kamoso e bo e le gore opposition e ka fa, the ruling party e ka fa, re nganga ka mathata a a kwa mafatsheng a re ka bong re kgonne go felela re na le a common position ka dikgang tse di a bong di diragala kwa mafatsheng a a ntseng jalo.
Jaanong ke sone fela se ke se kopang, ga ke kope gore gompieno ntirela sa gore le sa gore.

Ke feleletsa Mr Chairperson, kgang e Honourable Kapinga a neng a e bua ya gore batho ba letso la Sesarwa re bone gore are deployed, e nnete ka mabaka a gore Phathi ya BDP e ne ya tla ka Lenaneo la Affirmative Action, a positive discrimination.
O hira batho ba, ke sone se ba neng ba tsenngwa kwa sesoleng e le gore mmaboipelego o dira a covering letter fa motho wa teng a apply, a bo a feta a nna le tshwanelo ya gore a tsewe over motho wa Molepolole ka mabaka a gore ene ke Mosarwa.

Go sa tsewe fela ka gore gatwe ene ga a tsena sekole, go tsewa barutegi ba Basarwa gore ba tswelele ba amogele exposure.

MR CHAIRPERSON: Thank you Honourable Member for Jwaneng-Mabutsane.

Thank you Rraagwe Masa.


You are going to be followed by Honourable Member for Lobatse, Honourable Dr Matsheka.

DR MATSHEKA (LOBATSE): Thank you Mr Chairperson.

Let me start by acknowledging the Honourable Minister Kwape for the report back to this Assembly.

Before I get into my submission, I would like to start with Paragraph 30 and that is where I will be making my arguments going to the first paragraph, just to demonstrate the points that I want to make today.
I also want to confirm Mr Chairperson, that indeed Botswana is a small player in the global market and our challenges as also quoted by the Honourable Minister, are global in nature and impact.

What are those global issues Mr Chairperson, that impact and confront our country?

I also acknowledge that the Minister confirms that the promised Foreign Policy from Paragraph 46 is completed and awaits due diligence.
The policy will answer the vexing questions of the elements of our engagement with the rest of the world and hopefully redirects and reshapes our direction on the Foreign Policy space.

COVID-19 Mr Chairperson, has awaken not just Botswana, but the rest of the world from the emptiness of some of the agreements that we had in terms of relations that we believed that they were going to work for us.

When it hit our country, everybody looked after their own citizens.
This confirms that the economy and its performance is a bedrock of all policies, including Foreign Policy.

I am making this point to confirm that Foreign Policy is going to be a very important element of what we need to discuss and converge around.

Paragraph number 7 Mr Chairperson, as I said I will start from 30 going backwards, the Minister does speak about effective economic diplomacy and that is really the prelude to what I am going to talk about.
Therefore, the need to focus on trade and investment attraction.

I say attraction Mr Chairperson, not promotion because indeed promotion as has been practised, we now need to look at economic attraction.

The economic policy diplomacy will require a total realignment of the Government structures away from investment promotion to investment attraction.

This is very key because investment promotion has not been as effective within the existing structure of Government.
There are many stories Mr Chairperson, of investors who had been offered to invest in this country, only to come here and 40 Hansard No 205Wednesday 9th March, 2022ORGANISATION 1500 – MINISTRY OF INTERNATIONAL AFFAIRS AND COOPERATIONCommittee of Supply On the mining sector, in terms of diamond, the requirements which were put across, were really for clean diamonds; which the Minister stated on the Kimberly Process.
That is a clear example as well around what can be prescribed globally for us to toe the line around the policy direction that we can.

The decision was really around clean diamonds, and therefore the Kimberly Process is also one extension of the globalisation of trade, and indeed prescriptions around governance which are an element of Financial Action Task Force (FATF) to put in there Mr Chairperson.
Therefore, I am making the point very briefly that we require the completion of this foreign policy document so that we can have a robust debate around what is necessary, what do we need to do, how do we position this country.

There was reference earlier to ... (MR MOATLHODI): Order!

MR SPEAKER Order!

Honourable Member for Lobatse.

E tlaa re kwa Malokaganyane le kwa Shifa, o bo o ba bolelela ngwana wa ga nkgonne gore ke ile ka go emisa pele ga o fetela kgakala kwa.
As it is now six o’clock, I shall now call upon His Honour the Vice President, the Honourable Leader of this House, to move the Motion of adjournment.

MOTION ADJOURNMENT LEADER OF THE HOUSE (MR TSOGWANE): Mr Speaker, as we have now concluded today’s business on the Order Paper, I move that this House do now adjourn.

Question put and agreed to.

The Assembly accordingly adjourned at 6:01 p.m. until Thursday 10th March, 2022 at 11:00 a.m. get frustrated around the processes and the bureaucracy that we have.
I am making this point to confirm to basically make the point that there is some form of a misalignment between investment promotion and the structure that we have in order to retain.

Therefore, attraction is much more direct and in fact, it is speaking directly to investors to actually offer them a directory.
Just to re-emphasise Mr Chairperson, Botswana is indeed a small country in the international and regional markets and in two ways that we get directors than policy adoption, we are also a price taker globally in terms of commodity trending.

Those are the key elements that one would like to see emerge out from the policy.

This is because we have two main sources of revenue in this economy; the main one in terms of economic activity, we have tourism and the mining sector.
Members will recall that what I made the point around Financial Action Task Force (FATF), that is one element as well of a policy prescription around what we should adopt in order.

We could not even say no because we are a taker of policy prescriptions globally because we are part of the global community.
We should look at the tourism sector Mr Chairperson, the whole of Okavango Delta itself; it is largely driven by environmental policies that are even done by lobby groups that are environmental lobby groups and therefore our sustainability in terms of that sector is highly dependent on how we relate with the rest of the world, and what prescriptions are actually imposed upon us globally.
So, basically, I am also making the point that the decisions we make for domestic need, have to be assessed against economic impact and economic diplomacy as stated by the Minister.
We have currently COVID-19 regulations on vaccines, we have made decisions again on the restriction of imports of certain commodities that may be seen as important for domestic production, but they have got far…(inaudible)… for economic policy diplomacy to make sure that we position our country in a manner that shows the direction of economic policy globally, and therefore, address the issues that are important in terms of our relations with the rest of the world.
I am then talking this to make the point that the decisions that we make locally, have implications for international relations moreso for small countries, because when I started, I said Botswana is a small country, and therefore, we need to place a prescription in a manner that relates to that.
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