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THE SECOND MEETING OF THE THIRD SESSION OF THE TWELFTH PARLIAMENT WEDNESDAY 02 MARCH 2022 MIXED VERSION HANSARD NO: 205 THE NATIONAL ASSEMBLY SPEAKER The Hon.

Phandu T. C. Skelemani PH, MP.

DEPUTY SPEAKER Hon.

P. P. P. Moatlhodi, MP.

(Tonota) Clerk of the National Assembly Deputy Clerk of the National Assembly Acting Learned Parliamentary Counsel Assistant Clerk (E) His Excellency Dr M. E. K. Masisi, MP.

His Honour S. Tsogwane, MP.


(Boteti West) CABINET - President - Vice President - Ms B. N. Dithapo - Mr L. T. Gaolaolwe - Advocate L. O. Tlhowe - Mr R. Josiah Hon.

K. N. S. Morwaeng, MP.

(Molepolole South) - Minister for Presidential Affairs, Governance and Public Administration Hon.

K. T. Mmusi, MP.

(Gabane-Mmankgodi) - Minister of Defence, Justice and Security Hon.

Dr L. Kwape, MP.

(Kanye South) - Minister of International Affairs and Cooperation Hon.

K. K. Autlwetse, MP.


(Specially Elected) - Minister of Local Government and Rural Development Hon.

K. S. Gare, MP.

(Moshupa-Manyana) - Minister of Agricultural Development and Food Security Hon.

P. K. Kereng, MP.

(Specially Elected) - Minister of Environment, Natural Resources Conservation and Tourism Hon.

Dr E. G. Dikoloti MP.

(Mmathethe-Molapowabojang) - Minister of Health and Wellness Hon.

T.M.

Segokgo, MP.

(Tlokweng) - Minister of Transport and Communications Hon.

K. Mzwinila, MP.
K. Mzwinila, MP.

(Specially Elected) - Minister of Land Management, Water and Sanitation Services Hon.

T. M. Rakgare, MP.

(Mogoditshane) - Minister of Youth Empowerment, Sport and Culture Development Hon.

A. M. Mokgethi, MP.

(Gaborone Bonnington North) - Minister of Nationality, Immigration and Gender Affairs Hon.

P. O. Serame, MP.

(Specially Elected) - Minister of Finance and Economic Development Hon.

F. M. M. Molao, MP.

(Shashe West) - Minister of Basic Education Hon.

Dr D. Letsholathebe, MP.


(Tati East) Hon.

L. M. Moagi, MP.

(Ramotswa) - Minister of Tertiary Education, Research, Science and Technology - Minister of Mineral Resources, Green Technology and Energy Security Hon.

M. Kgafela, MP.

(Mochudi West) - Minister of Investment, Trade and Industry Hon.

M. R. Shamukuni, MP.

(Chobe) - Minister of Employment, Labour Productivity and Skills Development Hon.

E. M. Molale, MP.

(Goodhope-Mabule) - Minister of Infrastructure and Housing Development Hon.
D. M. Mthimkhulu, MP.

(Gaborone South) - Assistant Minister, Presidential Affairs, Governance and Public Administration Hon.

S. N. Modukanele, MP.

(Lerala -Maunatlala) Hon.

T. Monnakgotla, MP.

(Kgalagadi North) Hon.

M. M. Pule, MP.

(Mochudi East) Hon.

M. S. Molebatsi, MP.


(Mmadinare) - Assistant Minister, Local Government and Rural Development - Assistant Minister, Local Government and Rural Development - Assistant Minister, Local Government and Rural Development - Assistant Minister, Agricultural Development and Food Security Hon.

S. Lelatisitswe, MP.

(Boteti East) - Assistant Minister, Health and Wellness Hon.

N. W. T. Makwinja, MP.

(Lentsweletau-Mmopane) - Assistant Minister, Basic Education Hon.

B. Manake, MP.
B. Manake, MP.

(Specially Elected) - Assistant Minister, Investment, Trade and Industry Hon.

H. B. Billy, MP.

(Francistown East) Hon.

A. Lesaso, MP.

(Shoshong) - Assistant Minister, Youth Empowerment, Sport and Culture Development - Assistant Minister,Tertiary Education, Research, Science and Technology MEMBERS OF PARLIAMENT AND THEIR CONSTITUENCIES Names Constituency Hon.

L. Kablay, MP.

(Government Whip) Letlhakeng-Lephephe RULING PARTY (Botswana Democratic Party) Hon.

Dr U. Dow, MP.

Hon.


P. Majaga, MP.

Hon.

M. Balopi, MP.

Hon.

J. S. Brooks, MP.

Hon.

C. Greeff, MP.

Hon.

T. Letsholo, MP.

Hon.

T. F. Leuwe, MP.

Hon.

T. Mangwegape-Healy, MP.

Hon.

Dr T. Matsheka, MP.

Hon.

S. N. Moabi, MP.

Hon.

P. K. Motaosane, MP.

Hon.

O. Regoeng, MP.

Hon.

J. L. Thiite, MP.


Specially Elected Nata-Gweta Gaborone North Kgalagadi South Gaborone Bonnington South Kanye North Takatokwane Gaborone Central Lobatse Tati West Thamaga-Kumakwane Molepolole North Ghanzi North OPPOSITION (Umbrella for Democratic Change) Hon.

D. Saleshando, MP.

(Leader of the Opposition) Hon.

M. G. J. Motsamai, MP.


(Opposition Whip) Maun West Ghanzi South Selebi Phikwe West Mahalapye East Sefhare-Ramokgonami Ngami Okavango Maun East Bobonong Selebi Phikwe East Palapye Nkange Mahalapye West Francistown West Hon.

D. L. Keorapetse, MP.

Hon.

Y. Boko, MP.

Hon.

Dr K. Gobotswang, MP.

Hon.

C. K. Hikuama, MP.

Hon.

K. K. Kapinga, MP Hon.

G. Kekgonegile, MP.

Hon.

T. B. Lucas, MP.

Hon.

K. Nkawana, MP.

Hon.

O. Ramogapi, MP.

Hon.

Dr N. Tshabang, MP.

Hon.

D. Tshere, MP.

Hon.


M. I. Moswaane, MP.

Hon.

T. S. Khama, MP.

Hon.

L. Lesedi, MP.

Hon.

B. Mathoothe, MP.

Hon.

M. Reatile, MP.

(Botswana Patriotic Front) Serowe West Serowe South Serowe North Jwaneng-Mabutsane Hon.

W. B. Mmolotsi, MP.
Francistown South (Alliance for Progressives) TABLE OF CONTENTS THE SECOND MEETING OF THE THIRD SESSION OF THE TWELFTH PARLIAMENT WEDNESDAY 2ND MARCH, 2022 CONTENTS PAGE (S SPEAKER’S ANNOUNCEMENT...........................................................................................................................1 QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER...................................................................................................................1-7 APPROPRIATION (2022/2023) BILL, 2022 (NO.
2 OF 2022) COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY Organisation 0400 - Ministry of Nationality, Immigration and Gender Affairs.
(Resumed Debate).............................................................................................................................................8-21 Organisation 0500 - Ministry of Agricultural Development and Food Security......................................................22-38 Wednesday 2nd March, 2022 QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER THE ASSEMBLY met at 2:00 p.m. (THE SPEAKER in the Chair) P R A Y E R S * * * * SPEAKER’S ANNOUNCEMENT MR SPEAKER (MR SKELEMANI): Good afternoon.
Honourable Members, in terms of Standing Order 99.1 and 99.2, I have to inform you that the Committee of Selection met on the 28th February, that is Monday, to review and rationalise membership of several Committees as a result of movements into Cabinet positions of some of your colleagues.
These are the new movements: Honourable Johane Thiite goes to join the Committee on Foreign Affairs, Defence, Justice and Security; Honourable Tshoganetso Leuwe joins the Committee on Governance and Oversight; Honourable Liakat Kablay joins the Standing Orders and Reforms Committee; Honourable Tumisang Mangwegape-Healy the Public Accounts Committee; Honourable Balopi joins Communications, Work, Transport and Technology; Statutory Bodies and State Enterprises; Foreign Affairs, Defence, Justice and Security; Governance and Oversight; Wildlife, Tourism, Natural Resources and Climate Change.
Honourable Dr Matsheka joins the Statutory Bodies and State Enterprises, Health and Human Immunodeficiency Virus/ Acquired ImmunoDeficiency Syndrome (HIV/ AIDS), Wildlife, Tourism, Natural Resources and Climate Change, Labour and Home Affairs Committee, and also joins the Members’ Rights and Privileges Committee.

Going to the African, Caribbean and Pacific (ACP)/European Union (EU), we have Honourable Caterpillar Hikuama… joins HONOURABLE MEMBER: Re batla Matsheka kwa Finance Honourable Speaker.
MR SPEAKER: …(Inaudible)…the question will be… (inaudible)…other committee which you will have to choose.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Re kopa Matsheka kwa Finance Mr Speaker.

HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… MR SPEAKER: Honourable Members, questions.
COMMUNITY CONSTITUENCY PROJECT FUNDS MR P. P. P MOATLHODI (TONOTA): asked the Minister of Local Government and Rural Development if he is aware that the Tonota Sub Council has long spent all their allocated Community Constituency Project funds, without any remaining balances whatsoever; and if so, when will more funds be availed as more and more projects continue to be planned for.

OF MINISTER ASSISTANT LOCAL GOVERNMENT AND RURAL DEVELOPMENT (MS MONNAKGOTLA): Thank you Mr Speaker and good afternoon.
Ke a leboga Motlotlegi Rre Moatlhodi, ke lebogele potso ya gago.

Ke go fetole ka gore, ga ke itse fa Tonota Sub District Council e dirisitse madi otlhe a Community Constituency Project (CCP).

Dipalo tsa rona di supa fa go setse madi a a tshwarang P4,902,480.04 go tsweng mo go P10 Million yo o neng a abetswe Tonota Sub District mo ngwageng wa madi wa 2019/2020.

Ntleng le foo, dikhansele di kopilwe to submit project memoranda for the year 2022/2023 CCP budget cycle.

Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.


MR SPEAKER: Mokhurutshe, madi ke ao.

MR MOATLHODI: Ga gona madi a sepe Mbizi.

Ke kopa go itse Motlotlegi Mmaetsho Tona gore, fa o re go setse P4 Million, bosupi jo o nang najo ke jwa bokgakala bo kae?

How recent is the information that you are giving to this Parliament?

MS MONNAKGOTLA: Thank you Mr Speaker.

Bosupi bo teng, ke jone jo o bonang ke bo bua jo.

E bile ke kope Motlotlegi Moatlhodi gore a ye go kopana le Council Secretary wa gagwe… MR MOATLHODI: Ke tswa teng.
MS MONNAKGOTLA: …gore a go bontshe madi a gore a teng.

Fa e le gore madi ao a re ga a yo o ka kopana le rona gone fa ka re le gaufi le motlotlegi, ra mmontsha gore madi a gago ke a, a ye go tsweleditsa ditiro.

E bile gape o bo o re neele le project memoranda for the year 2022/2023, gore re kopanye le ene P4.9 Million yo o nang le ene go tsweledisa ditiro.

Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

MR BROOKS: Supplementary.


Thank you Mr Speaker, good afternoon.Thank you Honourable Minister ka karabo eo le mmotsi wa potso, Rra Nkamo.

Honourable Minister, I think golo mo go latedisang jaaka follow up e 1 Hansard No 205Wednesday 2nd March, 2022QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER e dirilweng ke Rra Nkamo gore, ke bogaufi jo bo kae or how recent is that report e o nang le yone ya gore madi a Constituency a 2019/2020 a teng?
Ke dikhansele di le kae gongwe tse e leng…tota le batla go dira jang ka gore kgang e ya CCP re tswa kgakala re e bua, maikaelelo a lona le le ministry ke go dira jang go bona gore madi ao a a dirisiwa ka bofefo ka go lebega dikhansele tsotlhe tsa lefatshe la Botswana di santse di na le a balance e e setseng?

Lona le tsaya effort efe ya go bona gore madi a a dirisiwa before we can submit project memo e ntsha ya 2022/2023?

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Nnyaa tlhe monna, tshwetso e tsewa ke Mopalamente tlhe Rra.
MR BROOKS: Nnyaa, tswaa mo go nna!

Tswa mo go nna o didimale.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ke a go thusa, ga se ministry, ke wena.

MR BROOKS: Didimala, ke itse se ke se botsang.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ke didimetse, ke a go thusa.

MR SPEAKER: Honourable Moswaane, a ko o iketle; Honourable Brooks.

MR MOSWAANE: Thank you sir.

MR BROOKS: Ke setse ke e boditse, ke ne ke batla gore Minister a re arabe gore ka re tlhola re bua ka balances, mme go sena nko e e tswang lemina, ra re re thusiwe jang?
MR SPEAKER: O go utlule, le ja nako.

Honourable Minister.

MS MONNAKGOTLA: Thank you Mr Speaker.

Tla ke bolelele Motlotlegi Brooks gore Motlotlegi Molale o ne a tla kwa General Assembly a bolelela batlotlegi botlhe ba dikgaolo gore balances tsa lona ke tse.

Since ke tsena gone fa Mr Speaker, ga gona motlotlegi ope yo o kileng a tla fa a tla a ngongorega gore mo balance e e neng e buiwa ke Motlotlegi Molale, nna ga ke bone madi ame.
Ke sone se ke reng, fa motlotlegi mongwe e le gore o na le ngongora o ka tla a tla a bona lephata.

Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

projects tse di iseng di simololwe go dirwa?

Gongwe a e tlhatswe gone foo go tlhomamisa gore a ke P4 million o o teng, o o ka dirisiwang, kana ke wa projects tse di iseng di simolole?

Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

MS MONNAKGOTLA: Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.


Madi a fela jaaka ke ne ke bua gore mo go P10 million o o neng a filwe, go dirisitswe P5.1, go setse P4.9 o e leng gore ga a ise a dirisiwe, yo o ka dirisiwang ke projects kgotsa a di feleletsa.

Ke sone se ke se buang ke re ga a ise a dirisiwe, o santse a setse.

A mangwe a P5.1 Motlotlegi Moatlhodi o a dirisitse kwa kgaolong ya gagwe.

Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

MR KAPINGA: Thank you very much Mr Speaker, e khutshwanyane fela.
Honourable Molale ka nako e re neng re bua ka kgang e, o ne a re solofetsa gore o tlaa tlisa an updated report on the constituencies tse di kolotiwang madi.

Ke yone e re ntseng re e emetse Mr Speaker.

O ne a bua gore o tlaa tla fela a supa per constituency gore constituency e, e filwe madi labofelo leng, e kolotiwa madi a ngwaga ofe le ofe.

Ke yone e re e batlang mo go Minister o mosha Mma Monnakgotla.
MR SPEAKER: Minister, o bokgakala jo bo kae ka go tlisa report e Honourable Molale a neng a e solofetsa?

MS MONNAKGOTLA: Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

Report e e ke ka dira gore e nne teng mo bogaufing.

Ke ka kopa nako mo go wena Mr Speaker, gore re tle go bowa gape re e dire kwa General Assembly fela jaaka Motlotlegi Kapinga a kopa.

Re ka dira jalo re le lephata.
REVIEW OF THE CONSTITUTION MR T. B. LUCAS (BOBONONG): asked the Minister for Presidential Affairs, Governance and Public Administration to: (i) update this Honourable House on the preparatory work that has been done so far towards the comprehensive review of the Constitution of the Republic of Botswana; (ii) brief this Honourable House on the list of activities still to be done to complete the comprehensive review exercise and to further state probable timelines for each of the envisaged activities; and (iii) state if the Constitutional Review exercise would be completed before the 2024 General Elections.
MR LESEDI: Last supplementary.

Nte ke go dumedise Mr Speaker.

Tota ke ne ke re ke dira follow up mo karabong e ya P4 million o go tweng o teng, ke re gongwe ke tlhole Minister gore a tota this P4 million, a ga se wa FOR PRESIDENTIAL MINISTER PUBLIC AFFAIRS, GOVERNANCE AND ADMINISTRATION (MR MORWAENG): Nte ke go leboge Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente rraetsho, 2 Hansard No 205Wednesday 2nd March, 2022QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER ke bo ke go ikokobeletse wena le boeteledipele jotlhe jo bo leng fano.
Ke lebogele potso ya ga mokaulengwe wa me Rre Lucas ke e arabe.

Ke tlaa e araba ka puo ya seeng jaaka a e kwadile, a boditse ka yone.
(i) Mr Speaker, currently there is no preparatory work being done towards the review of the Constitution of the Republic of Botswana, rather what is ongoing is the consultative process done by the Presidential Commission of Inquiry into the review of the Constitution to collate the views of Batswana and other stakeholders, which will then inform the actual review process of the Constitution.
Mr Speaker, as we are all aware, the commissioners were sworn in by His Excellency Dr Mokgweetsi Eric Keabetswe Masisi on the 24th of December 2021.

(ii) Mr Speaker, after the consultations by the commission, the following steps will follow, though the list is not exhaustive; the conclusion of • A Commission will report with recommendations to the President for consideration.

submit a • The Government will consider the report and its recommendations.
• At the appropriate stage, the recommendations will be submitted to the Office of the Attorney General to draft a Bill.

• The Bill will be published to solicit further input from members of the public and to allow Members of Parliament (MPs) to consult their constituents on the content of the Bill.
• The Bill will then be tabled before Parliament in accordance with Section 86 of the Constitution of Botswana, which is the only authority with powers to make laws for the peace, order and good Government of Botswana.

(iii) Mr Speaker, it is worth noting that Section 89 of the Constitution gives Parliament the powers to amend the Constitution and also stipulate the procedure to be followed, which varies depending on the provisions to be amended, which process will be followed to the latter.
The Bill will then be referred to Ntlo ya Dikgosi.

If it is necessary to amend entrenched provisions of the Constitution, it will then be necessary to conduct a referendum.

The referendum will determine the shape and content of the new Constitution.

Mr Speaker, it is the Government’s intention to have the process completed before the next general elections.

I want to assure this Honourable House that this Constitutional Review will be done in the latter and spirit of the laws of Botswana.
Mr Speaker, I thank you.

Ke a leboga.

MR LUCAS: Supplementary.

Thank you very much Mr Speaker.

Ke ne ke re ke simolole fela ka go supa gore Rraetsho Tona, wa re there is no preparatory work being done towards the review of the Constitution, mme o tswelela gape o nankola ditselana le ditshetla dingwe tse di supang gore go na le tiro e e dirwang go leka go sekaseka Constitution.

A mme o a ikutlwa kgotsa o a itlhaloganya sentle fa o re there is no preparatory work towards the review of the Constitution?
Ke potso ya ntlha.

Ya bobedi ke gore kana tiro e e tsweletseng gompieno ya commission, e lebega e le gore kwa bofelong it will feed onto the review of the Constitution.

Jaanong motho o ipotsa gore ka Palamente ke yone konokono mo go direng melao, a mme o ne o sa bone go tshwanela kgotsa e bile go tshwanetse gore morero o wa to review Constitution, o ne o tshwanetse go tsena ka Palamente go rerisa le go lekodisa Palamente?
Le fela fa e ka nna ka a statement to Parliament ka seemo sone seo, kgotsa information fela ya kwa General Assembly ya Mapalamente, ga o bone moo go ne go le botlhokwa thata o lebile gore Mapalamente ke bone badiramelao ba konokono?

Sa boraro ke gore commission e dirilwe e tsamaya le lefatshe la Botswana.

Kana e tsena mafelo ka go a tlhaola, go na le Batswana ba ba ngongoregelang gore kwa go bone ga go kitla go gorogwa mme ka jalo go raya gore ga ba ka ke ba nna le seabe mo go sekasekeng Constitution.
Batswana ba ba nang le ngongorego ya mofuta oo ba ba tshwanang le ba kwa Kobojango, Molema, Mathathane le Lepokole, karabo e o ka ba e neelang ke eng mo bogompienong rraetsho?

Ke a leboga.

MR MORWAENG: Nte ke go leboge Motlotlegi Taolo Lucas.

Santlha mokaulengwe, ke go tlhomamisetse gore keletso ya commission e ne e le gore fa go ne go kgonegile, e ka ya gongwe le gongwe mo Botswana go bua le Motswana mongwe le mongwe.
A re amogele, re dumele gore go na le ditsela tse di dirilweng tsa go bona gore Motswana mongwe le mongwe a nne le seabe mo go ntsheng megopolo le maikutlo a gagwe.

3 Hansard No 205Wednesday 2nd March, 2022QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER Metse e e leng gore e a iwa mo dikgaolong di le mmalwa, fa e le gore ke bone sentle, go iwa mo dikgaolong di ka nna pedi fa ke sa fose in every constituency.
Effective, go raya gore mo constituencies tse 57, go ya go felelwa gongwe go ilwe kwa metseng e ka nna mebedi-mebedi (2 each) mo dikgaolong tsone tseo.

Moo ke mo e leng gore go ka tlhomamisiwa, ga ke go tlhomamise.

Fa go ilwe kwa metseng eo, go lekilwe gore go iwe kwa metseng e e leng gore gongwe ba bangwe re ka kgona go kgobokanela teng foo.
Re tshwanetse re amogele, re bo re dumele Rre Lucas, gore, fa e ne e le gore commission e e tlile go ya mo motseng mongwe le mongwe mo Botswana, a re dumalane Rre Lucas, gore re ne re ka se ke re fetse jeno, gongwe e ka tsaya dingwaga tse tlhano e ntse e dirwa.

Ntlha e nngwe ke gore, kgang ya masheleng Rre Lucas, le yone kwa ntle ga kgang ya nako, e ne e ya go nna le mathata ka gore fa e le gore jaanong e ya go tsena five years e dirwa, nna le wena re ne re ka ngongorega gore nnyaa jaanong go lekane.
Le fa go ntse jalo Rre Lucas, ga se gore fa commission e ile kwa Bobonong, e bo e ya Gobojango, go raya gore batho ba kgaolo ya ga rona e e ka koo ga ba na ditsela tse dingwe tsa go tlisa megopolo ya bone.

Ditsela tse dingwe di ntse di teng tsa gore batho ba kgone go tlisa megopolo ya bone ka gore go a kwalwa, go tlisiwa ka ditsela tse di farologaneng kwa commission yone e. Ka tsela eo ke re, ga se gore keletso e ne e le gore ope a kgaphelwe kwa thoko.
Ntlha e nngwe e ke e supang ke gore, to review Rre Lucas, go ya go tla kwa morago ga consultation.

Fa o utlwa ke re preparatory work ga e ise e dirwe, ke gore ga re batle go segela ngwana thari mpeng.

Kgang e o buang ka yone ya review, e tla morago ga consultation e gone jaana e tsweletseng.

Jaanong jaaka ke ne ke supa gore go tsweletse kgang ya consultation, le ya gore go tsewe maikutlo a batho, fa go wetse, report e tsile, jaanong that is when go yang go nna le kgang yone eo ya review.
Ke yone process eo.

Ga e ka ke ya re gone jaana ka gore review is going to be informed ke gore report e tla e reng, le gore batho ba tla ba reng, then go tlaabo go tsena that aspect, though ka fa go buang ka teng fa e le gore re tlaabo re re ke review mo gotlhe, mme ke re, ga go a nna jalo sir.
Process e re leng mo go yone ke ya ntlha, ke Part (i) e bong ya go tsaya megopolo mo bathong, mme go na le stages tsone tseo tsa gore fa go bonala, fa go wediwa, go tlaa nna le report, gongwe e bo e ka felela e batlile gore go nne le bo referendum, jalojalo.

Ya review ga o batle gore e re mo nakong eno, o bo o re nnyaa re e baakanyeditse gore go ya go dira jaana le jaana.

That is why ke re the review will be informed by process ya consultation e e tsweletseng mo bogompienong.
MR LUCAS: Further Supplementary.

Mr Speaker, ke ne ke boditse gore, ka Palamente e konokono mo thulaganyong ya go dira molao, a o ne o sa bone go tshwanela rraetsho, gore o ka bo o ne o kile wa carry Palamente on board by way of at least a statement in Parliament.

Fela jaaka gotwe census e a dirwa, Mma Serame o tla ka statement kwa Palamenteng a re bolelela gore census e tlaabo e dirwa.

Wena kwa ofising ya ga Tautona, o palelwa ke eng go tla go bolelela Palamente ka thulaganyo e?
Sa bobedi ke gore, go lebega go na le tlhakatlhakano mo dikakanyong tsa gago.

O bua ka gore go na le consultation, mme at the same time wa re consultation ya teng is not part of the review, mme yone consultation ya teng ke yone e tlileng to inform the review.

A ko o leke to sort out mix up o o mo tlhaloganyong ya gago gompieno.

MR MORWAENG: Gone kana fa motho a tsere maikano a gore ga a batle go tlhaloganya, tota ke ka dira jang fa e le gore tota o tsere maikano a gore ga o batle go tlhaloganya?
Bagaetsho, kgang e e teng ya consultation, e Motlotlegi Rre Lucas a reng ga e a dirwa le Palamente, tota ke a ipotsa gore re ne re senka to be consulted mo go kae.

E sale kwa tshimologong nako e Motlotlegi Rraetsho Tautona a neng a ikana, a tlhalosa gore Constitutional Review e etla, e rile ka makgetho a le mmalwa kwa State of the Nation Address (SONA), a re tlhalosetsa re le Mapalamente le setšhaba, gore Constitutional Review e etla.
Tota jaanong consultation e nngwe Batlotlegi, ka e builwe mo go bo SONA, le Tautona a ikana, re tlhaloseditswe, e bile re ntse re e letletse, e bile bangwe ba rona re setse re kile ra bua mo Palamenteng yone e, re ngongorega gore Motlotlegi Tautona, e tla leng Constitutional Review.

Consultation tota jaanong e re neng re e senka, e ne e le ya mofuta ofe, e rona re neng re tsaya gore re ntse re ipaakantse rotlhe, re le malala a laotswe, ka re sale re bolelelwa gore golo mo ga Constitutional Review go etla.
Jaanong ka tsela eo, tota rona re tsaya gore re le Mapalamente, re ntse re itse, e bile re ntse re letletse, e bile re ntse re eletsa gore go direge ka bofefo, le setšhaba se ntse se letile.

4 Hansard No 205Wednesday 2nd March, 2022QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER Ka nna Batswana ba itsisitswe gore e a simologa nako e le teng, e bile ba ntse ba e letletse.
Jaaka re ne re supa gore sekgoreletsi se se tona e ntse COVID-19, fa e ne e se COVID-19, re ka bo re sale re simolotse nako e le teng, e seng mo bogompienong jaana.

Le mo last year’s budget, e ne ya tlhalosiwa this Constitutional Review.

Tota ka bokhutshwane, Batswana ba ntse ba letile Motlotlegi Rre Lucas.

A re se ka ra itira ba e ka reng re ntse re sa itse, e ne e ka re re tshoganyeditswe.

So kopo ya me ke gore a re tlotleng Batswana, a re se ka ra akanya gore Batswana ba ka se nne le dikakanyo.
Ba tlaa nna le dikakanyno ba bo ba bona gore Constitution ya bone ya lefatshe le, a go okediwe sengwe, go fokodiwe sengwe kana go dirwe eng.

Batswana ke bone ba tlaa tlhalosang.

That will inform gore go tswelela pele go dirwa jang.

So ya gore ke itse gore go tlaa dirwa jang, ga go dirwe jang … HONOURABLE MEMBER: A go na le motsadi yo o itseng gore Constitution go tewa eng?

MR MMOLOTSI: Supplementary.

Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.


Honourable Morwaeng, o ne o bua gore fa e le gore go ka nna le tlhokafalo ya to amend some entrenched Clauses of the Constitution, go tlaa bidiwa referendum.

Jaanong ke ne ke re gongwe o ntlhalosetse motlotlegi gore, if we are doing a comprehensive review of the Constitution, ke eng se se go belaetsang o ntsha mafoko a a nang le pelaelo a gore fa e le gore go ka kgongwa entrenched Clauses of the Constitution.
A fa o lebile, go na le tsela e e leng gore a comprehensive review of the Constitution e ka dirwa go sa kgongwa any of the entrenched Clauses tsa yone?

Potso ya bobedi e bo e nna gone gore, a ga se gore gongwe o itse sengwe ka inclination ya terms of reference tsa yone commission eo fa e le gore mo nakong ya gompieno o setse o supa doubt ya gore gongwe entrenched Clauses di ka nna tsa felela di sa kgongwa?
MR MORWAENG: Jaaka ke supile, ke ne ke go tlhalosetsa ka processes, gore referendum e nna fa go rileng.

Referendum e nna fa e le gore go tlaabo go tshwerwe tsone tse di entrenched.

Ke ne ke leka go supa steps tsone tse ke reng ga di a wela, ga di a felela, gore referendum mme yone e nna fa go rileng.

E se gore ra re ga e kake ya nna kgotsa e tlaa nna.
Ga ke senke gore ke re nnyaa, ga gona go nna jalo kante go tlaa nna jalo because that will only be informed, go tlaa dirwa ke fa e le gore dikgang tseo batho ba buile ka tsone, recommendations di ntse jang.

So, ke sone se ke reng fa go ntse jalo, referendum ke yone e tlaa bong e latelwa.

Kana potso fa e ne e le gore ke supe steps tse e leng gore di tlaa salwa morago, ka tsela eo, ke sa nyatse, e bile ke sa reye gore ga e ka ke ya nna, go tlaa tswa mo bathong.
Jaanong ga ke ka ke ka re batho ba tlaa tshwara sele, ga ba na go tshwara sele, go tlaa nna jang, nnyaa, Batswana ke bone ba e tlaa reng kwa dikgaolong jaaka ba ntse ba bua, ba tlisa megopolo ya bone le dikakanyo, ba tlaa ikatlhola gore bone ba akanya jang.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification.

MR MORWAENG: Nnyaa, mpa ke wetse.


Mokaulengwe yo o ntseng a akgela, ga ke eletse go mo araba ka gore ke go nyatsa Batswana gore mongwe a akanye gore Batswana ga ba itse … HONOURABLE MEMBER: Batsadi ga ba itse Constitution as it is today, e e leng teng, ga ba e itse.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Jaanong o mo arabelang.

Tswelela ka karabo.

MR MORWAENG: Ke kopa gore le ntetle ke bue batho betsho.
Bagaetsho, ke kopa gore ope a se ka a nyatsa Batswana a ba a ikutlwa fela a bua mo Palamenteng, a re Batswana ga ba itse sepe ka Constitution ya bone.

Constitution e e re beileng mo lefatsheng, e re beileng fano ya dira lefatshe la rona gore re bo re le fa re leng teng.

Mongwe a bo a ema ka dinao a nyatsa botlhale jwa Batswana, a re Batswana ga ba itse Constitution.

Bagaetsho, Batswana ke bone ba itseng gore lefatshe la bone le tsamaisiwa jang, ka megopolo ya bone.
So ka a le kalo Mr Speaker, ke ne ke re a Batswana ba nne le tshepho mo process, ba ye go ntsha megopolo ya bone, ba se ka ba reetsa ba ba ba nyatsang ba re ga ba itse sepe.

Ba ne ba ipoleletse gore ke bone fela ba ba leng botlhale ba ka akanyetsang Batswana ba le nosi.

E Commission, maikaelelo ke gore megopolo ya batsadi ba rona kwa dikgaolong, gongwe le gongwe, e ye go utlwiwa, re tlogele ba ba ba reng ke bone fela ba le nosi ba tshotseng botlhale.

E bile ke bone ba le nosi ba itseng ka Constitution.
Ke a leboga.
STATE OF NGETHU BRIGADES’ EMPLOYEES MR K. C. HIKUAMA (NGAMI): asked the Minister of Employment, Labour Productivity and Skills Development to explain to this Honourable House, the state of Ngethu Brigades employees (both teaching and non-teaching) in Gumare and to further state: 5 Hansard No 205Wednesday 2nd March, 2022QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER (i) the staff establishment register and their scheme of service; (ii) progression level of staff in brigades; and (iii) if all employees have the required qualifications; and if not, what is the plan (both short and long term).
Later Date.
STATUS OF LEATHER PARK IN LOBATSE (LOBATSE): asked DR T. MATSHEKA the Minister of Investment, Trade and Industry to update this Honourable House on progress to date on the establishment of the Leather Park in Lobatse and to state specifically: (i) the status of the Leather Park; (ii) when it will be commissioned; (iii) the capacity of the plant; (iv) the availability of raw materials to the plant; (v) the projected number of employees to be hired; and (vi) if there is requisite skills for the leather industry and if so, what planning is ongoing to enhance the project viability.
MINISTER OF INVESTMENT, TRADE AND INDUSTRY (MR KGAFELA): Ke a dumedisa mo tshokologong, ke le leboge.

Ke leboge le ene mmotsi wa potso.

(i) Ntlha ya ntlha ya potso Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, seemo sa Leather Park, ka se sebaka ke gore, re mo dithulaganyong tsa go fudusa fa re neng re ikaeletse gore re ya go e tlhoma teng, re e fudusetse kwa lefelong le le sha, re ye go e tsenya ka fa tlase ga lefelo le le amogelesegileng gore e nne Special Economic Zone (SEZ).
Re fudusa project e kwa go neng go ntse go supilwe teng, e bong ka fa morago ga matamo a metsi a a leswe gone kwa Lobatse.

Keletso ya phuduso ke gore project e tle e kgonagale gore e diragala, mme e bile e kgatlhe le babeeletsi ga mmogo le gore e re fa e dirwa, e bo e kgona gore re obamele ditsetlana kgotsa melawana e e laolang bophepa jwa tikologo segolo jang go sireletsa tikologo kgatlhanong le leswe le e leng gore ga se la tlholego.
Re solofela gape gore jaaka re e fudusa jaana, a bo e le gore dikitso tse di yang go tsena mo go e diragatseng, a bo e le tse di tlaa tlhomamisang gore ga go dirisiwe metsi a mantsi thata ga mmogo le gore leswe le le ka tswang le tlhalosiwa gotwe solid waste, le kgone to be recycled gore le tle le kgone gore le diriswe e nne products tse di sha tse di kgonang go rekisiwa, di nne le value ya madi.

Dipaakanyo tse di akaretsa le gore re bo re baakanya le mekono ya madirelo a Leather Industry Project.
(ii) Mo tsetlaneng ya bobedi ya potso, tsholofelo ke gore a bo jaanong go papame gore go tlaa simologa go dira tiro e ngwaga wa 2024.

(iii) Capacity ya plant e, fa tsotlhe di ka apara tshiamo tsa tsamaya ka thelelo, ke gore a bo e kgone go tshwara 50 tonnes per day.

(iv) Fa ke tsena mo tsetlaneng ya bone ya potso, ke rurifatsa gore re dirisana le ba Ministry wa Agricultural Development and Food Security.
Ba re itsisitse gore mo slaughter facilities tse di anameng le lefatshe la Botswana, tsholofelo fa tsotlhe e le gore di tsamaya ka thelelo, ke gore matlalo a a tswang mo dikgomong, a bo e le gore re fitlhelela 20 tonnes per day.

Mo go rayang gore mo ngwageng, fa tsotlhe di tsamaya sentle, re fitlhelele 250 000 hides per day.
Bogakolodi ke gore bokete jwa matlalo, bo tlaa kgona gore bo tshegetse project e. Re tlaabo re ntse re tsweletse pele, re bereka le one Ministry wa Agricultural Development and Food Security go tlhomamisa gore project e, e a itshegetsega, ga e phutlhame.

(v) Mo ntlhaneng ya botlhano, tsholofelo ke gore in the first phase ya project e, a bo go hirwa batho ba ka tshwara 85.
Tsholofelo ke gore go nne le koketsego ya phiro go tlogeng kwa go 85 go tseneng kwa go 100 fa project jaanong e setse e eme ka dinao e itsamaisa.

Re solofela gore mebereko e mentsi, e tlaa tlhamega mo go tse di tlaabong jaanong di tshegeditse project kwa ntle ga yone e le ditshegetsi tsa yone (leather value chain).

This would include hides and skins collection le go bopa tse di dirilweng ka letlalo tse di tshwanang le bo gloves, ditlhako, dibeke le mabantle jalojalo.
(vi) Ntlhana ya bofelo ya potso ke re Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, boitsaanape bo teng jwa go tsamaisa project e. Ka fa tlase ga khiro ya mmuso, bangwe ke ba ba hirilweng, bangwe ke ba setseng ba ithotse marapo a go direla Puso.

6 Hansard No 205Wednesday 2nd March, 2022QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER Bangwe ke ba ba tswang mo projects tse di neng di faphegile, di setse di dirilwe e bile di weditswe.

Bangwe ke badiri ba diatla, ba ba rutetsweng tiro ya diatla (artisanal tanners).
Re solofela gore bangwe ba bana ba, ba bo ba katisiwa gore ba kgone to operate project e. Fa go tlhokafalang teng fa ba tshwanetse gore ba rutiwe sešha, ba rutiwe sešha.

Fa re ntse re tsweletse jaana, matlho a rona a lebile gore re tlhame tsamaiso e go tlaa rutuntshiwang Batswana, gore ba kgone gore le bone ba tsenye lebogo in the value chain e e tlaa tlhamiwang ke project e fa e setse e eme ka dinao.

Mafoko a me a maleele go le kalo, ke tlaa araba se motlotlegi a tlaa se botsang.
Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, ke eme.

DR MATSHEKA: Supplementary.

Thank you Mr Speaker.

…(Inaudible)… I hope ke a utlwala.

Ke a utlwala Mr Speaker?

…(Inaudible)… MR SPEAKER: You are doing a staccato.

assumptions tse go buiwang ka tsone, ga go lebege go tlile go nna likely gore project e tota e simolole ka nako e e beilweng.

Ke batla go botsa potso Mr Speaker gore, tota fa re lebile the 65 per cent ya matlalo a a sa amogelesegeng for the leather production, a project e e viable tota?
Tona a re tlhomamisetse gore is it viable?

Tannery Industries Botswana e ne ya phutlhama e filwe madi ke Citizen Entrepreneurial Development Agency (CEDA), e le mathata a supply ya matlalo, re lebile gape gore gompieno re export matlalo a dikgomo fa di tswa di tsamaya.

Is it viable Honourable Minister?

HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… MR KGAFELA: Ka tshegetso yotlhe e ke nang le yone ya bomaitseanape, e bile ga ke rate gore ke itsheme gore ke moitseanape mo project e, go lebega project e e le viable.
Ke tlhalose gore kwa tshimologong ya yone, e ne ya tlhamiwa ya alwa, ya re go ntse go tsweletswe, ga bo go sekasekwa ka dithuso tsa bangwe gore a mme go santse go apere tshiamo, a project e thaegile sentle… DR MATSHEKA: Nnyaa, ke kopa go botsa Mr Speaker.

…Silence… MR SPEAKER: Botsa Mokwena.

DR MATSHEKA: …(Inaudible)... Hello Mr Speaker.

MR SPEAKER: Go na le mathata ka koo.

HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… DR MATSHEKA: Thank you Mr Speaker.

I hope ke a utlwala Mr Speaker.


MR SPEAKER: Yes, now I hear you.

DR MATSHEKA: Thank you.

Ke lebogele Tona ka karabo e a re e fileng gompieno.

Ke supe gore tota golo fa re tshwere kgomo ya mošhate, kgang e e thata ya Leather Park.

E ne ya re ka 2012 Mr Speaker, Goromente a dira mo gotweng Leather Industry Strategy, mme ya re 2014 ba dumalana gore ba tlaa dira Leather Park kwa toropong ya Lobatse.
E ne ya re ka July 2020, Permanent Secretary (PS) wa Ministry of Investment, Trade and Industry, a bua gore ba a simolola, project e ya go tsaya 18 months, e tlaabo e fedile ka 2022 first quarter.

Jaanong gompieno re fa Mr Speaker, project e fudugela kwa lefelong le sele, e ya go felela ka 2024, go e fa 10 years e sale e simolola.
Ke leboga dikarabo tsa ga Tona, because di supa gore tota the initial viability assessment ya project e was not spot-on, even currently the lot of MR KGAFELA: …gore project e tlaa dirwa e bo e fela ka 2022, mme nako kgolo ke e. Bagaetsho, re tshwanetse ra amogela gore jaaka fa ke ntse ke tlhalosa gore fa tsotlhe di apere tshiamo, dinako tse dingwe re a tle re eme ka dinao re tseye gore re tlaa dika re iteile kgomo lenaka, go bo go tlhaga dingwe tse bogakolodi jwa rona gongwe ba ne ba kile ba se ka ba di latlhela leitlho sentle.
Di bo di senoga, di bo di baka dikgoreletsi tse jaanong di atolosang nako e re tshwanetseng re e dire.

Fela ke rurifaletse Mopalamente gore bogakolodi jo ke bo amogetseng ka se sebaka, ke jo bo ntlhomamisetsang gore project will see the light of day.
Le bagakolodi e ntse e le ba bašha, ba fetile ba tlatsa ba ba ba fitlhetseng, le bone ba ne ba kaya gore ba solofela gore e bo e dirwa within 18 months fa tsotlhe di apere tshiamo, makalana otlhe a Puso lengwe le lengwe le goga jokwe ka pace e re e solofetseng mo go lone.

Jaanong matlalo gore a a enough, ke kgang e re e sekasekileng, mme jaaka ke tlhalosa, ba Ministry of Agricultural Development and Food Security ba ne ba supa gore ka ditebo tsa bone, go lebega matlalo a le enough.
Mme fa a se enough fa nako e ntse e ya, go tlaa lejwa gore a tsewe kwa ntle ga lefatshe.

7 Hansard No 205Wednesday 2nd March, 2022QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER Tota fela motlotlegi potso ya gagwe e thata, o ne a eletsa gore ke itlame.

Jaaka ke tlhalosa, dilo tsotlhe fela go tswa fela gore a di tsamaya ka thelelo, mme ke na le tsholofelo batlotlegi ya gore Leather Park will see the light of day.

Ke a leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente.

DR GOBOTSWANG: Supplementary.


Honourable Minister, golo fa fa ke ntse ke tlhotlhomisa, o kare go kile ga ntshiwa madi a a kanang ka P292 million a project e. Ke batla go itse gore madi a seemo sa one ke eng?

Go setse go dirisitswe bokae mo go eng?

E rile kwa tshimologong Goromente a akanya gore o tlaa tshwaraganela tiro e le bomaitseanape bangwe mo tirong ya mofuta o ya matlalo.

E rile kwa morago Goromente a fetogela kgang eo, ke batla go itse gore mo bogompienong, tota maikaelelo ke eng?
Maikaelelo ke gore Goromente o tlaa aga ditlamelo tsotlhe tsa project e jaanong a bo a e lease, kana go tlaa nna le pharologanyo… …Silence… MR KGAFELA: Ga a wela Mr Speaker, mme ke ka araba tse ke di utlwileng.

Ga ke itse gore a o eletsa go wela.

DR GOBOTSWANG: A ke a utlwala Mr Speaker?

MR SPEAKER: Yes, sir.

DR GOBOTSWANG: Ee, gongwe ke ne ke sa wela.

Ke ne ke re Goromente ke eng a sa amogele gore project e šhadile?

Sa bofelo ke gore, kwa tshimologong go ne go tilwe e tlaa dira ditiro di le 10,000.
Jaanong Honourable Minister, o kare ditiro di boetse kwa tlase, wa re go diragetse eng sentlentle ka project e?

Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

MR KGAFELA: Ga ke ka ke ka amogela kgatlhanong le bogakolodi bagaetsho, gore project e e šhadile.

Dilo re di tsamaisa ka bogakolodi, mme fa ke fiwa bogakolodi jo bo kgatlhanong le bo ke setseng ke bo amogetse, technical advice Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, ga ke ka ke ka gana.

Fa e le gore bogakolodi joo bo supa gore e shadile.
Jaanong ka se sebaka se, ga ke na jone.

Ke tshotse fela jo bo supang gore ga e ise e shale, go ka tswelelwa pele ka yone.

Potso e nngwe e ne e botsa gore madi a a dirisitsweng a didikadike di le makgolo a mabedi, go dirisitswe bokae so far; ka boikokobetso, ga ke na karabo sentle ka yone.

Se ke se itse ke gore, go ne go na le budget mme ga ke tshware figure ya teng gore ke bokae.
E rile fa ke sena go nna ke gakololwa gore project e tshwanetse gore e fuduge, le scope sa yone se fetoge, obviously ke ne ka nna concerned ka budget ya teng gore a e na le pharologanyo.

Fa ba tlhotlha dibuka tsa madi, a bo go supafala gore pharologanyo e teng mme ga e ntsi.

Tiriso ya madi gore ke bokae, ka se sebaka, ga ke na karabo.

Ke ka tsamaya ka ya go e tlhotlhomisa.

Ke a itse gore batho ba a duelwa fa go na le feasibility study jalojalo.
Se ke ka se tlhomamisang ke gore go duetswe mang le mang in respect of this project.

Potso e nngwe ya boraro fa ke e utlwile sentle, Mopalamente o ne a botsa ka tshwaragano; gore re ne re rile re tlaa tshwaragana le … MR SPEAKER: Private sector.

MR KGAFELA: Ahee!

Ke a leboga.

Bagakolodi ba ne ba nkgakolola.

Ba supa gore the magnitude of the project ka mo e neng e betlilwe ka yone, kwa pheleletsong e bo e neelwa the private sector gore ba e diragatse.
Ka sebaka seo, go ne go supa gore ga go ise go nne mo seemong sa gore e ka dirwa jang.

Ka mantswe a mangwe, private sector e ne e sa itshupe fa e le ready for this.

Maikaelelo a gore eventually project e neelwa bone, a mo pampiring.

Ke selo se ke se amogetseng gore se dirwe ka tsela e e ntseng jalo.

Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, I can only take it so far.

Ke eletsa gore ke ka bo ke na le dikarabo tse di botoka.
Perhaps fa ke ne ke kile ka tsibosiwa gore supplementaries di ka tla di ntse jang, ke ka bo ke batlile information.

Ke eme.

MR SPEAKER: We have run out of time for questions.

Therefore, we must move on.

ASSEMBLY IN COMMITTEE (CHAIRPERSON in the Chair) APPROPRIATION (2022/2023) BILL, 2022 (NO.

2 OF 2022) ORGANISATION 0400 - MINISTRY OF NATIONALITY, IMMIGRATION AND GENDER AFFAIRS (Resumed Debate) MR CHAIRPERSON (MR SKELEMANI): Order!

Order!

Honourable Members, we are resuming the debate.


When the House adjourned yesterday, Honourable Motsamai was on the floor and he is left with 5 minutes and 28 seconds.

8 Hansard No 205Wednesday 2nd March, 2022ORGANISATION 0400 - MINISTRY OF NATIONALITY, IMMIGRATION AND GENDER AFFAIRSCommittee of Supply (Resumed Debate) MR MOTSAMAI (GHANZI SOUTH): Tanki Mr Chairperson.

Ke boammaruri ke ne ke tsweletse ka go bua ka seemo sa molelwane wa Mamuno gore se tlhabisa ditlhong.
Se tsenya matlho a batho ka e bile e le lefelo le le fetang baeti ba bantsi ba ya kwa mawatleng a Walvis Bay le Swakopmund.

Mo dikgorong go tlhabisa ditlhong, go dikhuti, go tlala metsi, go roba dikoloi tsa batho.

Seemo se se tsibogelwe.

Mr Chairperson, the ministries ka go farologana di tikelana kgang ya terata ya melolwane.

Ke a itse gore Tona o tlaa nthaya a re ga e wele mo go ene mme thatathata re bua ka melelwane.

Go tshwanetse go bonwe gore go ya go dirwa eng.


Go se ka ga nniwa fela le fa terata e wele.

Re supa gore borukutlhi bo ile magoletsa le gore dilo tsa batho di a tsewa.

Goromente fa a palelwa ke go tsibogela dikgang tse, a ithole marapo, a neele ba ba kgonang go tsibogela dikgang tseo.

Mr Chairperson, kopo ya me e tona gape ke gore, Tona, le leke go buisana le ba Ministry wa Banana gore ba neele banana ditsompelo tse di tshwanang le curio shop.

Ba bule koo ba rekise mekgabisa ya Botswana.


Melelwane e dirisiwe go rekisa lefatshe, go ngoka Bojanala, gona le gore ba bo ba sokwa thamo fa ba batla go rekisa.

Ba bule the shops tse di rekisang matlhwao le ditsangwao gone foo.

A banana ba neelwe madi ka bonako, ba lese go thamathamisiwa, ba bodiwa dipotso tsa lesotlo le lehuma.

Mr Chairperson, nako e nngwe ke a tle ke supe gore Tautona o dirile sentle ka go tsaya bomme a ba neela boikarabelo.
Mathata a ke a bonang mo go bomme ba ba neetsweng boTona, ba boa gape ba lelela mo go rona.

Ba a lela, ba sa diragatse maikaelelo le maitlamo a ba a neetsweng, a ba a ikanetseng mo Palamenteng.

Minister, ke kopa ka tsweetswee, emang ka dinao le le bomme go thusa bomme.

Fa o tsena kwa kgaolong ya Ghanzi, kwa Sub-District ya Charles Hill o fitlhela go na le bomme ba ba dirang ditena ka poverty alleviation.

Poverty alleviation e bomme ba tswa kgakala ba ithaopa mo go yone.
Ka madi a Gender Affairs, ba setse ba iphuthile, ba supa maikaelelo.

Ke go tsena fa go bone le ba phutha and fund them gore ba tshube melelo kwa malwapeng a bone.

Kgang e ke e bua laboraro mo Palamenteng.

Mr Chairperson, ga ke itse gore Palamente ya gago a e fetogile lefelo la go bua fela, ga se la ditiro.

Fa re bua jaana ga go a iwa kwa dikgaolong go bona gore go diragala eng on the ground.

Bomme ba a sotlega.

Ba itaya ditena, ba tsholetsa dimente, ba dira tiro e yotlhe.
Ba supa maikaelelo a gore ba batla go ya golo gongwe.

Bangwe ba bone ba setse ba dira metshelonyana go ikagela matlo.

Ke one maiteko a ke reng ba iphuthile go tsena mo poverty alleviation ya go itaya ditena go bona gore lenaneo la madi a Gender Affairs le ka ba thusa.

Ke wela jaana Mr Chairperson ke re, ke ka itumela thata fa e ka re ke boela kwa Charles Hill, ka utlwa gotwe go ntshitswe batho ba ya go bona teraka ya molelwane e ole ka bokete jo bo ntseng jang.
Ba ya go bona letlotla la ditsela gone kwa Mamuno.

Ba ya ba go bona letlotla la dikago gore babereki ba ba berekang kwa Mamuno, le bone ba tlhoka gore e nne batho ba ba berekelang fa go faphegileng, fa go nang le seriti le fa go leng bobebe teng.

Dilo tse re batla gore fa re di bua di nne di tsibogelwa.

Ke ka itumela thata gape gore ke bone kwa Charles Hill jaaka ke letse ke bua batho ba tsaya passports gautshwane, Mamuno e nna One Stop Border, go dirwa tiro nngwe le nngwe ya batsamai mo go yone.
Mr Chairperson, ka mafoko a a kalo ke a leboga.

Tanki.

MR BROOKS (KGALAGADI SOUTH): Thank you Mr Chairperson.

Good afternoon again sir.

Mr Chairperson, mma ke eme fela fa ke dumedise Tona Mmaetsho Mma Mokgethi ke bo ke simolola ka go mo ema nokeng mo kopong ya gagwe ya madi e a e kopetseng ngwaga o wa madi o o tlang o, o o tlaabong o simologa ka April jaana.

Ke simolole gape fela ka go mo kopa ke mo laletsa kwa kgaolong ya Kgalagadi gore a ko tsweetswee a emelele a ye kgaolong ya Kgalagadi.
Ke ngwana wa kwa Kgalagadi kwa ke tswang teng.

O itse gore fa ke bua taletso e ke le Mopalamente, ke a bo ke bua ka boteng jwa pelo ke kopa gore o tle go bona kwa melelwane ya gago go bua ka mathata a a amang batho ba gago a melao mengwe e re neng re e ntsha maloba.

O tle kwa Kgalagadi mmaetsho ka botswapelo ...(inaudible)...
Se ke buang ke gore ke gatelela se ke se kopang fa ke ne ke mo laletsa gore tlaya kwa Bokspits ka gore ke batla le batho ba Bokspits ba utlwa gore ngwana wa rona o kopilwe gore a tle kwano.

Mr Chairperson, ke batla go simolola ke tsena mo kopong ya ga mme.

Fa o ka ntletla gore ke bale tsebe ya bobedi ya kopo ya madi a ga mme Mr Chairperson.

MR CHAIRPERSON: Ke mme ofe?

HONOURABLE MEMBER: A motho o ka kopiwa go ya kwa ga bone?
MR BROOKS: Budget ya Ministry of Nationality, Immigration and Gender Affairs e e neng e balwa ke Minister maabane Mr Chairperson.

9 Hansard No 205Wednesday 2nd March, 2022ORGANISATION 0400 - MINISTRY OF NATIONALITY, IMMIGRATION AND GENDER AFFAIRSCommittee of Supply (Resumed Debate) MR CHAIRPERSON: Proceed sir.

MR BROOKS: Ee rra.
MR BROOKS: Ee rra.

Mr Chairperson, fa a neng a bua teng ka Immigration Act, “it is aimed at enhancing the ease of doing business as well as modernising the work and residence permits and the visa regime.” Mr Chairperson, ke dumalana thata le ene gore fa a ka kopela Act mo Palamenteng e, e ka re thusa ka gore gompieno re le le fatshe, re palelwa ke go ntsha dijo ka gore ga gona bodiredi kwa ntle kwa ba ba ka thusang.
Fa re ka dira molao o o ka thusa gore re thape batho ba ba ka nnang le keletso ya go tla go bereka le gore ba direlwe permits.

Go ka tlhofofatsa go direla batho permits Mr Chairperson.

Mr Chairperson, e re ntswa ke dumela gore batho botlhe mo lefatsheng la Botswana ba batla ditiro, but 90 per cent ya batho ba ba batlang ditiro kwa ke ba ba batlang the white collar jobs.

Ga gona motho ope yo o batlang go ipona a apere overall a le leswe a rwele dirifi Mr Chairperson, a thankgetse kwa ntle.
Fa re letlelelwa gore go nne le melao e, re tlaa kgona go thapa batho ba ba tswang kwa ntle ba ba tlaa kgonang go tlhola mo letsatsing ba bereka ba direla lefatshe la Botswana dijo.

Se sengwe ke ne ke re go tlaa tlhofofatsa le gore go dirwe permits ka bofefo gore ba ba nang le keletso ya go tla go bula dikgwebo kwano ba tle Mr Chairperson, ba hira bana ba rona, ba tla ka maikelelo, e seng go tsietsa, mme e le ka maikaelelo a go tla go thusa go tlhabololola lefatshe la Botswana.
Go ka letlelesega ga nna motlhofo o o kalokalo.

Ke bo ke supa tlhobaelo.

Re sa tswa go fetisa melao e mentsi mo Palamenteng e e fetileng ya ngogola Mr Chairperson.

E ne e le go baakanya melao mengwe ya ga mme kana e e welang ka fa tlase ministry wa ga mmaetsho.

Ke tshwenngwa ke gore gongwe le gongwe fa mmaetsho a tsamayang teng mo ditemaneng tsa gagwe ka fa a neng a di bua ka teng, o emetse regulations.

Mr Chairperson, the regulations le melao ke dumela gore di tshwanetse gore di tsamaelane.
At the same time, ke dumalana le gore go dirwa ga tsone le gone go tshwanetse go tsamaelana ka gore re le ba Mapalemente re ne ra bua le batho gore molao ke oo o etla o ya go diragadiwa.

Ke rata thata ka gore melao e yotlhe e supa e setse e bilwe monwana ke Motlotlegi Tautona, mme sebe sa phiri ke the regulations.

Dilo tse Mr Chairperson, di re baya mo seemong sa pitlagano se se sa siamang.

Mr Chairperson, ke a utlwa ka fa mme a buang ka teng ka melelwane e e iseng e bulwe.
Mmaetsho, mma re tswelele ka go go kopa gore ema ka dinao tlhe melelwane e bulwe.

Melelwane e e 17 e setseng e, bontsi jwa yone bo kwa Kgalagadi.

Bontsi jwa yone mmaetsho ke tsone tse e leng gore Batswana ba Kgalagadi le ba ba mo tikologong ya Kgalagadi ba itshetsa ka yone.

Ke nngwe ya dilo tse ke neng ke re ke di mo kope Mr Chairperson.
Ke tswelele ka gore o tshwanetse a itshwaraganya le Tona wa Ditsela Rraetsho Rre Segokgo gore lebala la Bokspits le Middlepits la difofane e nne mangwe mabala a a ka diriswang fa re lebile bojanala Mr Chairperson.

Mr Chairperson, ke bua gangwe le gape ke re batho ba ba yang kwa Kalahari Transfrontier Park (KTP) ba tswa kwa bokone jwa lefatshe la Botswana kwa kgaolong ya ga Honourable Saleshando, fa ba tsena ka difofane, di ya go kotama kwa Upington.
They are get cleared koo, they are not cleared in Botswana.

Fa re ka baakanya lebala la difofane le le kwa Bokspits ra dira gore bajanala ba kotame koo, akanya gore go ka dira ditiro di le kae.

Bana ba Bokspits ba dimausu ba ka baya fa ba ka rekisetsang teng jaaka Honourable Motsamai a bua; ba ka rekisetsa bojanala dibaga, ba ka dira mo gotlhe mo Mr Chairperson.

Go ka fetola tebego ya Bokspits.

Go ka thusa go tokafatsa le botshelo jwa batho ba Bokspits Mr Chairperson.
Dilo tse Mr Chairperson, re tshwanetse gore re di bue re sa ošhaošhe fa re bua ka dikgaolo tse di tshwanang le tsone tseo.

Kgaolo eo Mr Chairperson, ke ya bojanala, e tlhokana le gore re e emele ka dinao ka bofefo.

Mr Chairperson, fa e sale gotwe go ya go baakanngwa ditshetlana dingwe kana go ya go lebiwa melawana e e ntseng e thusa ba Gender Affairs, from 2017 to date, five years, ga gona nko e e tswang lemina, mananeo a eme, batho have submitted applications and ga gona se se dirwang.
A mme Mr Chairperson, a ke yone tsela kana morwalo o re batlang go ntsha batho mo lehumeng?

Re batla batho ba itirela, ba itshetsa Mr Chairperson.

Dilo tse Mr Chairperson, ke letshwenyego.

Ke batla go tswelela gape ke kopa gore a mmaetsho a lebelele molelwane wa Middlepits.

Go na le molapo wa Molopo o o fetang fa gare molelwane wa Middlepits le wa South Africa.

Ga gona tsela.

Kana molelwane is a face of any country.


Fa batho ba tsena ka molelwane ba bona sefatlhego sa lefatshe leo, ba itse gore ba tsena mo lefatsheng le le ntseng jang.

Fa re santse re lebile molelwane wa Hereford e ke tlholang ke bua gore kana ke bua ka molelwane o o saleng o nna teng ka nako ya ga Mmamosadinyana e le motshelakgabo, le gompieno go bo go agiwa ntlonyana ke ele ke a e bona.
Ba Botswana 10 Hansard No 205Wednesday 2nd March, 2022ORGANISATION 0400 - MINISTRY OF NATIONALITY, IMMIGRATION AND GENDER AFFAIRSCommittee of Supply (Resumed Debate) Unified Revenue Service (BURS) le bone ba direla in a porta cabin ya 3 metres by 4 metres e go nnang officer le tafole ya gagwe fela.

The rest ba tshwanetse gore ba nne kwa moriting, yole a tsena, yo a tswa, yo a tsena.

Mr Chairperson, ga re direle batho sentle, batho ga ba bereke ka go kgotsofala fa ba berekelang teng.
Ke yone nngwe ya dilo tse ke eng ke re ke itebaganye le tsone.

Tsela e ke buang ka yone ke yone tsela e e tswang mo diofising tsa rona ke ele e ya go tsena ka terata ya molelwane e tlolela kwa South Africa.

Ga gona le fa e le ka tsela gone foo Mr Chairperson.

Dilo tse re tshwanetse gore re di lebelele re bone gore re ka tlhofofatsa jang gore batho ba rona kwa dikgaolong ba ikutlwe ba amogelesega e bile ba na le kgatlhego ya go direla lefatshe la Botswana madi.
Fa re bua ka the control system e mmaetsho a buileng ka yone, kwa Bokspits ke raya, ba BURS e bile ke bone ba ba botoka go a pirinyapirinya, ba Immigration go santse e le manual mme that is the only border gompieno that serves the whole constituency ya Kgalagadi South.

Letsatsi le letsatsi go feta batho ba ba ka fetang makgolo a mabedi mo go yone re bo re re go dirwe manual.

Dilo tse Mr Chairperson, ga di beye kgaolo ya Kgalagadi mo seemong se se siameng se motho a ka se eletsang.
Le ene modiredi o na le go itlhoboga gore a ruri fa ke leng teng fa a nako nngwe go tlaa nna le mongwe yo o mpuelelang gore ke tswe mo mathateng a go tlhola ke bereka mo seemong se se ntseng jaana.

Ke sone se e ete re re kwa bofelong re bo re re, batho ba gana go ya dikgaolong, because the environment is not conducive fa ba berekang teng Mr Chairperson.
Dilo tse ke ne ke re le mororo go ntse jalo, ke ema nokeng kopo e, mme ke gatelela thata gore a e re mo nakong e khutshwane ke bone Mmaetsho Annah Maria Mokgethi a le kwa kgaolong ya Kgalagadi a ile go iponela borders tse, a ile go iponela mathata a ke buang ka one e le home girl…(Afrikaans)…Tanki Mr Chairperson.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: O bua sekae jaanong Motswana?

HONOURABLE MEMBER: O mo difomonyaneng gompieno setlogolo.

MR BROOKS: Tanki malome.

MR KABLAY: Procedure Mr Chairperson.


Mr Chairperson, ke ne ke re ke gakolole gore dipuo tse di letlelelwang mo Palamenteng ke Sekgoa le Setswana, tse dingwe tse ga di letlelelwe ka gore bontsi jwa rona ga re utlwe gore gatweng.

Jaanong ke ne ke re re gakolole mokaulengwe gore go letlelelwa Setswana le Sekgoa.

MR CHAIRPERSON: Nna ke ne ke…(inaudible)… Kgalagadi.

MR BROOKS: Mme ke eta ke toloka, ke gore ga a utlwe le fa ke toloka.

Ke eta ke toloka ka Setswana.


MR CHAIRPERSON: Honourable Pule followed by Honourable Ambassador Kapinga.

OF MINISTER ASSISTANT LOCAL GOVERNMENT AND RURAL DEVELOPMENT (MR PULE): Thank you Mr Chairperson.

Ke lebogela Motlotlegi Annah Mokgethi pego ya gagwe e a e re beileng fa pele, mme e bile ke ema jaana ke mo ema nokeng ka pelo ya me fela yotlhe.

Ke na le dikgannyana dingwe tse ke neng ke batla gore gongwe ke di kgwe dikgaba mo letsatsing la gompieno.
Ke batla go bua thata ka kgang e e botlhokwa e ke tsayang gore ke nngwe ya dikgang tse a di buileng tsa Gender Based Violence (GBV).

E ke tsayang gore le rona re le phathi e e busang ya Botswana Democratic Party (BDP) re ne re ntse re na le maikaelelo a gore re batla go lwantsha Gender Based Violence.

Fa o ka ntetlelela Modulasetilo to quote go tswa mo manifesto wa BDP o o buang ka go lwantsha Gender Based Violence.

MR CHAIRPERSON: Please, go ahead.

MR PULE: Thank you Mr Chairperson.


“Review policies and conduct research to identify the root causes of the GBV and develop appropriate intervention to curb it.” That is on page 43 (f).

Tota ke tsaya gore motlotlegi ka fa a neng a bua ka teng o setse morago exactly what BDP Government wanted to do.
Mme ke re lefoko le re tshwanetseng re le thaele mola ka fa tlase thata Modulasetilo ke la ‘root cause,’ because ke etse tlhoko gore nako e ntsi fa re bua ka Gender Based Violence, we never get to the bottom of it, to find out the root cause of the problems.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Chairperson.

Procedure Mr MR PULE: That is the key thing that we have to do… MR CHAIRPERSON: There is nothing wrong with our procedure.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: O ne o tla nkutlwa Morena.

MR CHAIRPERSON: Nnyaa, ga ke batle go go utlwa.


Tswelela Honourable Pule.

11 Hansard No 205Wednesday 2nd March, 2022ORGANISATION 0400 - MINISTRY OF NATIONALITY, IMMIGRATION AND GENDER AFFAIRSCommittee of Supply (Resumed Debate) MR PULE: Thank you very much Mr Chairperson.

Kana yo o na le style sa go ntseela nako Modulasetilo.

Ga ke bua fela o bua dikgang tse a di buang and ga se gone, ga ke rate.
Ke re gape mo go paragraph 22 go na le fa go neng go buiwa ka feasibility study on establishment and strengthening of safe heavens tsa batho ba e leng gore ke victims.

Re emetse go utlwa gore tota findings tsa teng di tlaa tla di ntse jang Mr Chairperson.

Tota ke tsibogele recommendations tse di tlaabong di tswa mo study sone seo, e bile ke kopa motlotlegi gore gongwe a dire pitso e e tlaa tlang e lebelela the results tsa study seo le recommendations tse di leng teng.
So that go bonwe tota gore re ka dira jang, because ke na le tumelo e e tletseng gore Gender Based Violence e batla concerted efforts.

It is not just a Government, private sector le Non-Governmental Organisations (NGO) issue, ke ya rona ba rotlhe.

We need to sit down around the table and try to deal with it.
Mo go paragraph 25 Mr Chairperson, I want to applaud mohumagadi wa rona wa lefatshe la Botswana, the First Lady gore tiro e a e dirang, she is doing a sterling work ka go tsamaya mo lefatsheng a lwa le go leka go bolelela Batswana gore tota Gender Based Violence ke dingwe tsa dilo tse e leng gore ga di tlhokafale mo botshelong jwa batho.

Ke batla go akgela gape mo go paragraph 28 fa go buiwang ka passports.
Kgang ya installation ya passport and border control system is an old issue, e ke tsayang gore tota nako ya gompieno ke ne ke solofela gore e ka bo e tsamaya golo gongwe, ka gore kana fa re lotlela passports tsa rona ka go dira systems tse di tshwanang le tse, ke gone go fokotsa porosity ya border posts.

Mo go rayang gore go ka fokotsa le borukutlhi jo batho ba ka batlang go bo dira mo lefatsheng la Botswana.

Ke kope Tona gore tota a leke gore kgang e e fefosiwe, e dirwe ka bonako Mr Chairperson.
Mr Chairperson, fa ke sianela kwa kgaolong ya me ya botlhophi; batho ba kgaolo ya me ya botlhophi ba lela ka border post ya kwa Sikwane, gore e santse e tswetswe.

Kana rona le bo Rre Brooks re na le masika ka kwa Aferika Borwa, kgapetsakgapetsa re a ka kwa, re a tshela.
Fa o re o lebelela gore border post ya Sikwane ke yone e re ntseng re e dirisa ka dinako tse dintsi go ya go tlhola ba masika, mme e bo e le gore mo go se sebaka e santse e tswetswe and imagine motho a tswa kwa Phalakampa, Ramotlabaki le Oliphants Drift a tla go tshela mo Tlokweng gongwe a ya …(inaudible)…, go bo go mo raya gore a tle mo Tlokweng a bo a boela gape kwa morago.

Golo moo go ka mo rotloetsa gore go na le gore a dire jalo ke gore jaanong a bo a ya go tshela noka.
Re ne re na le cases tse pedi Mr Chairperson if you remember early this year, tsa bana bangwe ba ba neng ba tsewa ke noka kwa Ramotlabaki, mme maikaelelo a bone e le gore ba ne ba re ba tshela motshelakgabo, ba bo ba tsewa ke metsi.

Mongwe wa bone was saved by scuba divers ba mo ntsha moo, mme a setse a tlhokafatse.

Yo mongwe fa ke bua le wena jaana ga a ise a bonale gotlhelele.
Jaanong tota ke ne ke re ke kope motlotlegi gore, kgang e ke kileng ka bua ka yone ya go dira official border crossing point e botlhokwa fela thata.

A e nkakanyetse, ke a itse gore ga a na madi, mme a akanye tota gore e nne dingwe tsa dilo tse di ka dirwang mo lenaneong le le latelang la NDP 12.
Ke gakologelwa gore Mr Chairperson e kile ya re ka ngwaga 2017 go ne go na le Bi-National Commission on Defence and Security, mo go yone go ne ga dumalanwa gore ditsela tsotlhe tse di yang kwa borders tse di mo gare ga lefatshe la Botswana le South Africa di tshelwe sekonotere.

Ke rotloetse motlotlegi gore, mogopolo o a o sale morago a bone gore go a diragadiwa, ka gore fa o ka lebelela gone fa border ya Sikwane, go tswa fela mo tseleng ele ya Molatedi go tla go tsena mo Dartport, ga gona sekonotere.
Ke tsela fela e e maswe, mo e leng gore le fa border eo e ka bulwa re ya go tswelela re ntse re na le mathata a gore jaanong ga e accessible, jaaka ke ne ke bua maloba ke re, kana tota go bua nnete, what we should promote mo lefatsheng la rona la Botswana ke accessibility ya ditsela tsa rona tse re nang le tsone.

Border ya Sikwane gape ka fa e ntseng ka teng ke border e e santseng e le mo maemong a a kwa tlase.
Bakgatla ba kgaolo ele ba ne ba kopa gore border ele… le fa motlotlegi re mo kopa gompieno gore a e bule, a e re fa e bulwa e akanyediwe go okediwa gore e nne a commercial border.
Otherwise, tota fela ka fa go ntseng ka teng, seemo se ntseng ka teng, re tlile go felela re na le mathata a gore le fa border e ka bulwa mme re ntse re patelesega gore fa o kgonne go ya go bona bojang ka kwa Aferika Borwa, gongwe o batla to feed dikgomo tsa gago ka kwano ka gore re reka teng, o bo o patelesega to drive all the way back to Tlokweng, o bo o boela kwa Malolwane kana Ramotlabaki.

Which is very costly mo go rona.


Ke raya gore kgang eo tota ke ne ke kopa motlotlegi gore a e sekegele tsebe, yone ya border crossing point, le go oketsa go bulwa ga border ya Sikwane.

Fa o ka lebelela sentle mo kgaolong e e kwa, there is a lot of illegal crossing, e ntsi mo go maswe.

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Batho ba kgaolo ele tota fela ka ntata ya gore border posts di kgakala le bone, ba patelesega go tshela motshelakgabo and go ba feditse.

Re a ba bona ba ba swelang mo metsing.

Yo mongwe o kile a bolawa ke kubu gone ka kwa e le gore o ne a re o ya go tlhola gone kwa Oliphants Drift jaaka kwa dipolaseng.

Bontsi jwa batho ba rona ba kgaolo e e ka kwa ele Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, ba bereka mo dipolaseng.

Jaanong tota fela ke gone kwa ba itshetsang teng.


Jaanong fa re ka se ka ra ema ka dinao go bona gore tota re ba direla an official border crossing point e e tshwanang le ya kwa Tshidilamolomo, e batho ba Kgaolo ya Borolong ba ba kgakala le Phitshane-Molopo ba feta gone koo go ya go tlhola ba masika le ditsala ka kwa Africa Borwa.

Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, ga ke batle go nna moleele ka gore tota e rile fa ke bala Tshutiso ya ga Tona, ke bone e tlhamaletse e le straightforward, ke a mo akgola.
Ke a e bona gore e tlhamaletse, ke kgang fela e ke tsayang gore bontsi jwa rona re dumalana le yone.

Ke ne ke re gongwe ke fetise points tseo mo go ene tsa gore a eme ka dinao go bona gore border e a bulwa.

MR MOSWAANE: Clarification.


Honourable Pule, golo mo fa o go lebeletse ga lephata le le le tlhokometseng tsa gender, gore go bo go tsewa more than five years go emisitswe lenaneo le le ka thusang bomme go tswa mo tshotlegong e o e itseng mo gotweng abject poverty, a o bona go siametse bomme ba lefatshe leno gore go tswelele fela go ntse jalo, re boke Minister, bomme ba sa bone sepe for the past three or four years?

Thank you.

MR PULE: Ke a e utlwa rraetsho, ga ke itse gore eo o e tsaya kae.
Ke raya gore ke a go utlwa ka fa o buang ka teng, kana ke mogopolo wa gago.

Ke itse gore go a dirwa, go a berekwa mme fa e le gore wena o lemoga gore golo gongwe dilo ga di tsamaye sentle, ke mafoko a gago rraetsho.

MR MOSWAANE: It has been suspended for four years.

MR PULE: Ke a leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente.

MR KAPINGA (OKAVANGO): Thank you very much Mr Speaker.

Ke ne ke re ke latlhele fela ka bokhutshwanyane mo budget e ya Nationality, Immigration and Gender Affairs.
Ke ikutlwa ke patelesega go bua ka ministry o ka gore ke tswa kwa kgaolong e e tletseng bahaladi, or what are called ‘immigrants’ in English.

Re na le batho ba le bantsi ba ba sa bolong go tla mo lefatsheng la Botswana ba tswa kwa Angola, ba bangwe ba tswa kwa Namibia jalojalo, segolo ba ba neng ba tswa kwa Southern Angola, ba le gompieno jaana ba santseng ba sokola ka boagedi jwa bone mo lefatsheng la Botswana.
Re na le baagedi ba Okavango, Batswana ba ba nyetseng basadi go tswa kwa Namibia, ba e leng gore go bokete gore basadi ba bone ba fiwe citizenship mme ba na le more than 10 years ba nna mo Botswana.

E le gore mabaka ke gore Lephata la Immigration le goga dinao go fetsa dikgang tsa bone, ba fiwa boagedi jwa Botswana jaaka bo ba lebagane.
Jaanong mo ngwageng o o fetileng Mr Speaker, ke kile ka kopa Tona gore a phuthe setlhopha sa badiredi ba gagwe a ba romele kwa Okavango go leka go fokotsa bokete jwa dikgetsi tse di tshwanang le tsone tse.

Sale re dumalana ga go ise go diragale, ka fiwa date gore ba tlaa tla mme ga ba ise ba tle.

Jaanong ke batla ke tsosolose kopo ya me kwa go Minister ke sa omane; Minister, ke kopa gore tsholofetso e o kileng wa e mpha ya gore o tlaa isa a team to Okavango e ya go itebaganya le kgang e, o e tsose.
Kgang ya bobedi e ke batlang go tsena mo go yone ke ya correction of errors in birth documents.

Go na le cases fela tse e leng gore e a re bana ba kwadisiwa go diragale diphoso.

A living example I can give you ke gore on Monday I was in the High Court ke ile go emela ngwana wa kwa Seronga yo o bidiwang Kealeboga Tlhalefang.

Yo e rileng a kwadisiwa mo matsalong, e bo nurse a kwala Kealebogamodimo Tlhalefang.

Batsadi ba sokotse gore ba thusiwe go baakanya this simple mistake, this innocent mistake.
They were sent from pillar to post and at the end of the day, ba bo ba bolelelwa gore rona re le lephata ga re ka ke ra baakanya selo se, se ka baakanngwa fela ke lekgotla le le legolo la ditsheko e bong the High Court.

Batho ba kwa Okavango bontsi jwa bone ga ba ka ke ba kgona go duela lawyers, case yone e ke e dirile mahala Mr Speaker, mme ga go na lawyers tse dintsi tse di ikemiseditseng gore di ka ya go emela batho mahala kwa court for cases tse di tshwanang le tse.
Jaanong ke ne ke re ke kope Minister gore kana fa o le Minister, sengwe sa boikarabelo jwa gago ke gore o baakanye diphoso tse e leng gore di obvious, transform lephata ka go baakanya tsone dilo tse gore go se ka ga patelesega gore diphosonyana tse di kananyana, motho a patelesege go ya go batla lawyer gore phoso e e tle e 13 Hansard No 205Wednesday 2nd March, 2022ORGANISATION 0400 - MINISTRY OF NATIONALITY, IMMIGRATION AND GENDER AFFAIRSCommittee of Supply (Resumed Debate) baakanngwe in her birth document or any other civil registration document, e le phoso fela e nnyennyane e e ka baakanngwang ke mongwe le mongwe consequent to a very superficial investigation.
HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification.

MR KAPINGA: Go lebega e le gore Tona ga a na maikaelelo a go tlisa diphetogo tseo.

Ke mang yo o kopang clarification?

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ke mogoloo nnaka.

MR KAPINGA: PPP, 30 seconds.

MR MOATLHODI: Clarification.

Ke a go leboga Motlotlegi Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, ke a go leboga thata Motlotlegi Mopalamente wa Okavango Rraetsho Kapinga.
Ke ne ke re lantlha ke go galaletse thata ka tiro e o sa tswang go e dira, go emela ngwana yo re sa bolong go mo sokodisa re le batho ba lefatshe le.

Jaanong ke re ke go botse gore a mme o a lemoga gore ba bantsi ba santse ba setse kwa Kajaja, Xau, Mogotlho le kwa kae gore o ba thuse, mme e bile ga o a tshwanela go itshola, ga o a tshwanela gore o ikotlhae.

Thank you Honourable Kapinga.


E nngwe e ke batlang go gakolola Minister mo go yone, e bile ga se go mo gakolola, ke gore ke go mmolelela fela gore Honourable Minister, kgang e ya Gender Based Violence (GBV) Inter-Ministerial Committee e go diga leina.

Fa e le gore ga ba go bolelele ba bangwe, nna ke tlaa go bolelela gore wena le komiti eo you are failing this country.
Fa o leba kwa Page 14 ya gago, you were appointed on the 8th of February 2021, and in your report, the only thing that you are reporting ke gore you have undergone training on gender equality and GBV response in October 2021 and February 2022.

All this time when this committee was appointed because there was a crisis ya GBV, all you have done with your committee is to undergo training.

This is poor performance Honourable Minister, you have to know.
You have to be told not to be flattered gore nnyaa le dira sengwe mme le sa dire sepe.

What has happened is that you and your colleagues have gone into hibernation, le bona the First Lady being sponsored, le bo le bona gore we want to compete with her for the limelight, let us allow her enjoy the limelight, rona we should withdraw into hibernation.

You are failing the country.


Gore le bo le dira tiro ya lona, go ne go ka se ka ga kgoreletsa First Lady ka tiro e a e dirang, e e leng gore ga re mo tshwae phoso gore a bo a e dira.

MR KAPINGA: Tanki PPP.

Ke sone se ke rayang Minister ke re a lebe molao a o baakanye gore a tle a dire botshelo jwa batho ba bantsi bao bo nne motlhofo, ba se ka ba sokola go na le jaaka ba sokola gompieno go sa tlhokafale.

That is the point that I am trying to make Mr Speaker.
E bile go botoka a e dira jaana, gongwe fa a ka bo a ne a sa e dira, go ka bo go sa diragala sepe gotlhelele.

Jaanong ke batla go go raya ke re, wena le komiti ya gago, you should wake up from your hibernation, and do what you committed yourself to do in this Parliament as an Inter-Ministerial Committee on GBV.

Ke batla go bua gape ka Tourist Visa (UNIVISA) Mr Speaker.
Ke ne ke le modirelapuso ke le mo dikomiting tse di neng di bua ka UNIVISA, gore fa o kopile Visa mo Botswana o e filwe ke lefatshe la Botswana, mafatshe a mangwe a kgone go go amogela mo lefatsheng la bone on the basis of the Visa e o tlaabong o e neetswe ke one of the Southern African Development Community (SADC) countries.
Jaanong ke ne ke re gongwe Minister a tle a re bolelele gore tota se se palang gore UNIVISA to be implemented to facilitate and smoothen metsamao ya tourists mo kgaolong ya rona ke eng?

A ke gore ga le tshephane le le Maphata a Immigration, kana go na le bangwe ba ba itirileng sekgoreletsi on implementing this resolution, e ke itseng gore e tswa kwa SADC?

To promote tourism re tshwanetse gore re nne le UNIVISA jaaka go na le Schengen Visa kwa mafatsheng mangwe a Europe.
Go pala eng gore mo kgaolong ya rona re bo re nna le UNIVISA?

14 Sa bofelo Mr Speaker, ke emetse kgaolo ya Okavango, e e leng gore ke kgaolo e e kwa teng, e kgakala.

Batho ba Okavango fa ba batla passport, they havse to go to Gumare, Maun, sometimes on citizenship issues.

Jaanong ke batla go bua ke re Mr Chairperson, golo mo go bokete mo bathong ba kgaolo ya me, gore ba bo ba ya go batla dithuso tsa Immigration bokgakala jo bo kana, mme ba na le border fa Mohembo fale.
Ke dumela gore Shakawe e le lefelo jaaka le ntseng jaana, I call it a frontier town, it should have an Immigration Office e e kgonang to issue di passport, and to deal le other citizenship issues.

OF MINISTER ASSISTANT LOCAL GOVERNMENT AND RURAL DEVELOPMENT (MS MONNAKGOTLA): Clarification.

Ke a leboga motlotlegi, mme ke go botse fela go le gonyennyane, mme e bile ke go akgole go le go nnye.
Ke a utlwa gore o bua ka GBV thata fela le gone, mme e bile ke re, Hansard No 205Wednesday 2nd March, 2022ORGANISATION 0400 - MINISTRY OF NATIONALITY, IMMIGRATION AND GENDER AFFAIRSCommittee of Supply (Resumed Debate) motlotlegi ke eng a sa akgole Mmaarona sentle, Mma Atsile ka tiro e a e dirang, a se ka a shankodisa?

E kare o a shankodisa.

Ke eng a sa akgole gore Batswana fela ba utlwe ka tiro e a e dirang ka gore ke tiro e tona mo go bomme, le bone ba a bona.

Ke a leboga Mr Chairperson.


MR KAPINGA: Ke tlaa mo akgola at the right forum.

Fa I am talking about Government policies, and not initiatives by individuals who are outside the Government structures.

Ke dumela gore nako ya me e fedile, ke tlaa ema gone fa.

DR MATSHEKA (LOBATSE): Mma ke go leboge Modulasetilo.

Le nna ke tseye nako e go latlhela mantswe a me a makhutshwane mo pegong ya ga Tona Mokgethi.
Ke tlhomamise gape gore e rile fa ke akgela mo Budget ya ga Honourable Serame, ke rile ga ke na go akgela sepe mo allocations tsa madi, ka gore tota tseo jaaka go ne go tlhalosiwa, di amana le a bit of incremental budgeting le recurrent expenditure, e re neng re bua ka yone.

Jaanong I support madi a a neetsweng mo budget e gore a kgone go tswelela a dire tiro ya gagwe.

Ke buile gape gore bothata jo re nang le jone, ga se mo go kalokalo ka madi.
Ke ka fa e leng gore re dira tiro ka teng go tlhomamisa gore mananeo otlhe a re a dirang re le Goromente, re le lefatshe, a kopanela gore a kgone go diragatsa maitlamo le maikaelelo a lefatshe la rona.

Jaanong chapters tse tsotlhe Mr Chairperson, ga di a tshwanela go lebelelwa mo boemong jwa bonosi jwa tsone, mme di bonwe e le gore ke batsayakarolo mo ditlhabololong tsa lefatshe la rona.
Ke bua jaana ka gore, lephata le la ga Mma Mokgethi le, le botlhokwa thata mo nakong ya ditiro, le mo go rotloetseng bagwebi go tla mo lefatsheng la rona for direct investment.

Jaanong investment and economic growth di tlile go laolwa thata, e bile re ipoleletse gore re batla to attract foreign direct investment mo lefatsheng la rona.

Jaanong ka fa re tsamaisang kamogelo le go leka go tlisa dikitso tse di rileng mo lefatsheng la rona, go tlile go laola gore re tlaa kgona go le kae gore re dire jalo.
Re tshwanetse re batle metlhale e e lolameng ya gore re nne practical.

Ke a tle ke reye batho ke re for our population ya 2 million, re fetwa ke melao e re nang le yone ka dipalo tse di ntsi tota, re tshwanetse re bo re na le melao e ka nna bo 2.5 million, fela gore re kgone go tsamaisa lefatshe le la rona.

Re tshwanetse re ipotse potso gore tota mme gone, what is our national strategy on nationality.

Tota re batla go e define jang in terms of nationality.
What is our national strategy on immigration; what is our attitude towards immigrants; do we want to create a rainbow nation of different persons.

Kana re batla go tswelela e le gore re leka go tlhaola ba ba eletsang go tla go nna le rona mo lefatsheng la rona, le ba e leng gore ba ntse ba le mono ba ise ba ko ba dire le fa e le molato ope fela, gore ba batla go tswelela ba nna mo Botswana, go bo go nna thata gore ba kgone go nna batsayakarolo mo lefatsheng.
Ke yone potso e e leng gore e tlile go nna botlhokwa Mr Chairperson.

Re bone mafatshe a mangwe ba itlhophela gore ba batla go nna ba bula diatla ba amogele batswakwa, mme ba dire melao e e tlaa kgonang gore ba kgone go nna mo lefatsheng le e le law abiding citizens.

So I think Mr Chairperson, that is a very fundamental question that the Honourable Minister and indeed Government has to apply their minds gore tota gone what is our strategy towards nationality and immigration.
What type of rainbow; how many colours of the rainbow do we actually accept in our country so that we can be very clear gore tota we want to pursue our broader policies, re lebe ... MR MOSWAANE: Elucidation.

O e tshwere sentle Motlotlegi.


Jaaka o lebeletse dikgang tse mo Botswana, go na le bagwebi ba ba nang le more than 30 years, ba ba tshwereng dikgwebo tse ditonatona, ba e leng gore mo nakong ya gompieno, ba ipatela permanent residence, mme go a pala tota, mme jaanong re tsamaya re solofetsa ba bangwe kwa ntle, mme ba ba ka kwano ba sokola tshokolo e tona, mo e bileng batho ba bangwe ba feleletsa ba ya kwa lefatsheng la South Africa go ya go ipona ba le botoka ba le ka koo.
A selo se ga se dige itsholelo ya rona rraetsho?

Thank you.

DR MATSHEKA: Ke a leboga rraetsho.

Ke tlaa tsena mo go tsone.

Ke go utlwile, I think you have made your point.

Re tshwanetse re itlhalose gore tota rainbow e re e batlang; we want to be a rainbow nation, tota mme gone how tolerant are we to foreigners as a people.

Ke bua se Mr Chairperson ka gore toropo e ke e emetseng ya Lobatse, ke makgatlhanela thapong.
Ke toropo e e leng gore le Bangwaketse fa ba tla kwa, Barolong, le ditšhaba tse dingwe, e ne e simololwa ka nako ya boipuso.
Re nnile le baeng ba mafatshe a a farologaneng, re na le batho ba ba tswang kwa Malawi, masika a mantsi kwa Peleng, botsadi ba bo Bazezuru families, we even have the Asian community mo toropong ya Lobatse, e bile ba bangwe they were part of the constitutional process ka 15 Hansard No 205Wednesday 2nd March, 2022ORGANISATION 0400 - MINISTRY OF NATIONALITY, IMMIGRATION AND GENDER AFFAIRSCommittee of Supply (Resumed Debate) nako ya boipuso.
Sebe sa phiri Mr Chairperson ke gore, batho ba ba sa bolong go tla mo Botswana, re tshwere bothata.

Ke bereka go tsena dikgang tsa bone tsa go leka gore ba bone boagedi jo bo lolameng.

Ba bangwe ba sale ba simolotse dishopo mo toropong ya Lobatse, ba bangwe ba thula dibata kwa Peleng West le mo Peleng, ba dira dibata, re ne re tlhapa ka tsone; ntshwarisa bata ka foo re ye go tsholola metsi.
Batho bao ga ba bone boagedi, ga ba kgone go bona dipampiri, ba botabota kwa ofising ya ga Mopalamente, ba bangwe e bile I refer them koo.

Jaanong ke re it is not so much in tsamaiso gore eng ke eng, ke gore re itlhalose gore tota ra reng.

Re itiretse melao e ke neng ke bua ka yone, e e fetang ...(inaudible).. tota re itse gore, tota re eletsa gore Lobatse yo, kana lefatshe la rona, re tswakane ka tsela e e ntseng jang.
Ba bangwe sebe sa phiri ke gore, batsadi ba bone ba na le dipampiri, bone ga ba na dipampiri.

Ba bangwe batsadi ba bone ka fa Zeerust ka fa, ba boetse kwa bo Zeerust, bangwe kwa bo Durban.

Ba tshwere bothata fela, mme ba sa bolo go tsamaisa dikgwebo mo toropong ya rona ya Lobatse Mr Chairperson.
Ke bue fela gore tota kgang e e ntshwenya fela thata, tse dingwe tse ke a di utlwa tse Tona a di begileng, e bile ke lemoga gore ka o a kaya mo mokwalong wa gagwe gore o batla gore a tle a lebelele molao o wa Immigration Act, le wa Citizenship Act, gore gongwe e tlaa re fa a lebelela melao e mo nakong e khutshwane, a kgone go tlhomamisa gore a define, or the Government must define the complexion e tota re e eletsang.
Re kgone gore re bue ka dipuo tse di farologaneng, gongwe e bile re oketse jaaka re ntse re bua jaana gore re eletsa gore go nne jang mo lefatsheng la rona.

Ntlha ya bofelo e ke batlang go e ama ke yone ya gore, a Tona a batle tsela fela e e lolameng ya gore tota ba bone gore re ka thusa jang batho ba, ka gore nna kwa kgaolong e ke e emetseng e, ke yone mmangmmang.

Ke feleletse gape ke bue ka yone Gender Committee.

Ke itse gore ke boditse maloba fa Tona a tsile fa.


Ditoropo tsa rona di na le bothata ka tiriso ya diritibatsi le dilo tse dingwe tse.

O nne o kare jaaka Tona wa Madi a tlhalosa, mathata a rona ke implementation, and ga go batle gore go itshupe ka tsela e e ntseng jaana, re ne re dumalane re le Palamente to set an Inter-Ministerial Committee on Gender-Based Violence, e bo e le gore we are unable to point at this juncture Mr Chairperson.
We need tangible efforts tse di tserweng tota go leka go tlisa greater awareness.

Jaanong awareness ya rona seems to be coming out of events …(Inaudible) … Jaanong re lemoga ka tsone dilo tse di bosula gore GBV e santse e le teng.

Re ne re eletsa e ka re dinako tse re ka bo re le mo seemong se re kgonang go supa e bile re kaya gore jaanong intervention on the part of Government to deal with these issues.

Ka mafoko a a kalo, ke a leboga Mr Chairperson.


(FRANCISTOWN SOUTH): MR MMOLOTSI Thank you Mr Chairperson.

Tona, le nna ke tseye nako e gore ke latlhele go se kaenyana fela mo kgannyeng ya gago.

Nngwe ya dikgang tse tota ke dumelang gore o tshwanelwa ke go di lebelela, tse re sa bolong go bua ka tsone, ke kgang ya a proper dual citizenship.
Go a tshwenya mo nakong ya gompieno Minister, gore re le lefatshe re ntse jaana, re bo re ntse re ikganeletse mo go ganeng gore re bo re ka nna le dual citizenship mo lefatsheng la rona.

Re setse re kile ra fetisa Motion mo Palamenteng.

Rre Batshu o ne a solofetsa a bo a rata go tlisa Bill kwa Palamenteng, e e neng ya padisiwa ke gore gone gotwe go na le 34 Sections of the Constitution tse di neng di tlhoka gore di baakanngwe.
Ka tsela e e ntseng jalo, ke ne ke dumela gore by now Tona, re ka bo re setse re na le yone dual citizenship mo Botswana.

Ga ke eletse gore kgang ya the Blue Card e le neng la e dira, e felela e nna o kare ke yone dual citizenship ya Batswana.

Re eletsa gore Batswana le bone ba kgone gore ba phuthologe, ba nne le dual citizenship fela e e siameng e ka ba fang benefits tsotlhe tse Motswana mongwe le mongwe a nang le tsone.
So ka tsela e e ntseng jalo, ke kgang e e re tshwenyang, a re leke go bona gore re ka dira mo go yone ka tsela e e ntseng jang.

Selo se sengwe Tona ke gore batho ba ba ikopelang go nna Batswana mo lefatsheng la Botswana, tota nako e go e tsayang e telele thata.

Ba bangwe tota e le batho ba ba nyetsweng mo Botswana, ga ba a bolo go nna mo Botswana, ga ba a bolo go leka go ikopela and process ya teng fela ya gore motho a nne Motswana, e bokete mo go gakgamatsang.
Kana gore motho a bo a ntse mo lefatsheng a sena dipampiri tse a di tlhokang, ga go a siama.

Kgantele fa ba nyetswe jalo, banna ba bone ba felela ba tlhokafala.

Fa banna ba tlhokafala, go sala go nna thata le go gaisa gore batho ba, ba ka kgona gore ba nne le citizenship.
Ka tsela e e ntseng jalo, re ne re re a 16 Hansard No 205Wednesday 2nd March, 2022ORGANISATION 0400 - MINISTRY OF NATIONALITY, IMMIGRATION AND GENDER AFFAIRSCommittee of Supply (Resumed Debate) ko re lebeleleng ditsamaiso tsa rona go bona gore a mme re ka se ke re tokafatse seemo gore tota turnaround time ya gore motho a bo a feditse processes tsa go ikopela e fokotsege significantly.

A kgone gore a gololesege ka bofefo.

Kwa ke tswang teng, re na le bana ba bantsi Tona ba e leng gore ga ba na bo Omang.
Ga ba na bo Omang ka lebaka la gore fa gongwe mmaabone o ne a tswa kwa Zimbabwe, rraabone e ne e le Motswana, rraabone a bo a tlhokafala, mmaabone a bo a sala a le nosi.

Fa gongwe mmaabone fa a setse jalo, o felela a boetse kwa Zimbabwe, bana ba setse mo Botswana.

Jaanong bana ba ba felela ba sena any form of identification, ba se na dipampiri dipe.

A bo e le gore jaanong ke bana fela ba ba nnang ba lela ba sa itse gore ba ka dirwa ka tsela e e ntseng jang.
Ke akanya gore Tona nako e gorogile ya gore gongwe re senke ditsela tse bana ba ba ntseng jaana, re ka ba direlang waivers gore ba kgone go nna le dipampiri tsa lefatshe lengwe ka gore tota mo nakong ya gompieno, o kare batho ba ba mo no man’s land.

Tona, a re lekeng go thusa bana ba ka lebaka la gore ba bangwe are so frustrated mo o fitlhelang o bona gore ngwana yo fa o mo raya o re kana processes tse di thata, o kare o ka felela a ipolaile.
Golo mo gongwe mo Tona o tshwanetseng gore o go ele tlhoko, ke kgang ya to renounce e re setseng re kile ra kopa thata gore to renounce, go tokafadiwe nako ya gone.

Re iphitlhela re le mo seemong se se bokete to renounce ka gore ngwana o bolelelwa gore fa o batla to renounce, tsamaya o boele kwa Zimbabwe.

Ngwana yo ga a ise a nne kwa Zimbabwe, ga a itse Zimbabwe, le gone kwa Harare gore o ya go goroga ka tsela e e ntseng jang.

Le bone ga ba itse motho wa mofuta oo.


Ngwana yo ga a na relationship le Zimbabwe kwa ntle fela ga gore motsadi wa gagwe o ne a tswa kwa Zimbabwe.

Jaanong bana ba rona ba iphitlhela e le gore go pala to renounce ke one mathata a go ya kwa Zimbabwe mo e leng gore ga go motlhofo Tona.
Jaanong re ne re re a ko re leke go sekaseka ditsela tsa gore bana ba ka tlhofofaletswa ka tsela e e ntseng jang, go nna Batswana ba sa tshwanelwe ke gore gotwe tsamaya o ye kwa Zimbabwe kana South Africa ka gore that process ga e bereke.

Honourable Makgato fa a santse a le mo ministry oo Tona, o ne a buisantse le Palamente gore nnyaa, mme jaanong ke le solofetsa gore turnaround time ya to renounce, re ya go e tokafatsa mo go gakgamatsang.

Kana processes tse di pedi; go na le to renounce le confirmation.
A tlhalosa gore these two processes ya to renounce le confirmation, di tlaa se ke di tseye beke.

In fact, tse dingwe di tlaa dirwa over the counter, o eme ka dinao.

Clearly golo mo ga go diragale Minister ka gore go a itshupa gore bana ba tsaya lebaka le le leele ba ntse ba tobatoba kwa diofising.

Kgantele receipts tse ba di tshwereng, di kgagoge, di latlhege ka lebaka la gore go tserwe lebaka le le leele.

Ka tsela e e ntseng jalo, ke ne ke re tsone tse Minister, a re di leke.
MR NKAWANA: On a point of clarification.

Ke a leboga le fa ke tlaa go busetsa kwa morago.

Kana Tona o tshwanetse a lemoga gore batho ba ba senang dipampiri, segolobogolo o fitlhele e le gore matshwenyego a matona ke gore mananeo a Puso a a leng teng, ga ba kgone go a access.

Fa motho fa gongwe a ne a nyetswe, monna a bo a tsamaya e le Motswana, fa a setse a re o transfer maina a dithoto tsa monna kwa go e ne, go nna thata ka gore o a bo a ise a nne Motswana.
Mo Phikwe jaana, ke na le mathata a mantsi mo ofising, morafe wa rona wa Bazezuru bontsi jwa bone, ditsha tse ba nnang mo go tsone, ba palelwa ke to transfer them kwa go bone fa banna ba tlhokafetse ka gore ba ne ba ise ba neelwe boagedi jwa Botswana.

Ke re ke go tlatse foo honourable.


MR MMOLOTSI: Ke mangwe a mathata a re a bonang, a mangwe bana ba tlaabo ba ne ba tswa kwa tlase ba ntse ba tsena sekole, fa a tshwanelwa ke gore jaanong a bone sponsorship kwa university, a pasitse, kgang yone e, e a tsena ya gore kana ga o Motswana, ga re ka ke ra kgona to sponsor you.

Bana ba ba ntseng jalo kwa Francistown ba bantsi, ba itlhobogile, mme ba tshwere bo 40 something points.
Ka gore batsadi ba bone ba bangwe ba tlhokafetse, e ne e le batswakwa ba bangwe e le Batswana go raya gore bana ba Modimo ba felela ba le mo seemong se se diphatsa.

Golo mo gongwe Tona ke gore gone kwa melelwaneng ya rona, go na le mathata.

Maloba ke ne ke tsena ka molelwane wa Tlokweng.

Fa re tlholwang teng, go letsatsi, fa e le gore ke letsatsi, fa go le dipula, go dipula.
Ke ipotsa gore a ga le dire thulaganyo ya gore gone kwa melolwaneng koo, fa batho ba tlholelwang teng, go nne le shelter fela e telele e e ka reng ba ba tlholang, ba bo BURS jalo le ba bangwe, ba tlhola ba le ka fa tlase ga moriti.

Jaanong kana go tlaa dira gore fa dipula di na, eng, ba itsape go tlhola a bo e le gore ba felela ba fetisitse batho fela ba sa ba tlhola ba ba tshwereng dilo tse di diphatsa.

A ko re akanye golo mo, re bone gore re ka tokafatsa matshelo a babereki ka tsela e e ntseng jang.
17 Hansard No 205Wednesday 2nd March, 2022ORGANISATION 0400 - MINISTRY OF NATIONALITY, IMMIGRATION AND GENDER AFFAIRSCommittee of Supply (Resumed Debate) Go tshwana le bone babereki ba immigration tota mo melolwaneng Tona.

Kana batho ba ba tshwara passports tsotlhe fela motshegare otlhe.

Mo go rayang gore tota bone e bile mogare wa COVID, ba ne ba innela fela mo dirubing.
Ka tsela e e ntseng jalo, gone go tshwanela gore batho ba go bonwe gore ba sireletsega ka tsela e e ntseng jang go bona gore ba a siamelwa.

E se gone moo fela, le boroko jwa bone batho ba ba gago Tona ke mathata.

Kana fa o tsaya ba melolwane ya bo Martins Drift ba nna kwa bo Lerala le Majwaneng, mme o bo o fitlhela e le gore golo moo ga go dire sentle ka gore ba tsoga kgakala.
Golo mo gongwe Tona ke system ya gago e e dirang passports le Identity Cards, ga ke itse gore a e water tight mo leng gore ga re ka ke ra iphitlhela e le gore e dirisiwa ke bangwe.

Ke kile ka utlwa gotwe go na le maphata a a nang le access to system ya lona go ka itirela passports le Identity Cards tse ba di tlhokang.
E bile e ne ya re mo dikgannyeng tsa teng, ya re nako e nngwe ka utlwa Honourable Mabuse Pule go ntse gotwe o itse sengwe, o tshwanelwa ke gore a ye go fa bosupi ka gore o kile a nna Director kwa lephateng leo.

Ke batla gore fa e le boammaaruri gore go na le lephata lengwe la ga Goromente le le nang le access mo system ya lona go ka itirela fake IDs and passports, Tona golo mo re tshwanelwa ke gore re go lebelele sentle.
Fa jaaka re itse gore malatsing a go mo molaong gore dilo tse di dirwe, you must be in control of these systems.

Re se ka ra tloga ra neela Directorate of Intelligence and Security (DIS) an open cheque ya go dira dilo tse di ntseng jaana, ka gore tota fa re ka e letlelela, re ya go nna le mathata a matona.

You should be in control of this system, fa e le gore ba tlhoka go dira dilo, ba direlwe ke lona, gona le gore ba bo ba itirela kwa ba leng teng.
Ka mafoko a a kalo Tona, tota re kopa gore a ko le re thuse.

Lephata le la gago ke lone la batho, batho ba a sokola, e bile oketsa staff kwa Francistown ka lebaka la gore mela e e emelang thuso o fitlhela e le kwa godimo thata, batho ba setse ba itsapa le gore ba kgone go dira.

Ke feleletse ka go tsaya nako e go kopa batho botlhe ba Francistown, ba ba neng ba ikopetse bo Omang ba šhafaditse gore ba tsamaye ba ye kwa diofising, ba ye go tsaya bo Omang ba bone.

Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.


MR CHAIRPERSON: May I call upon the Minister of Nationality, Immigration and Gender Affairs to reply to the debates.

MINISTER OF NATIONALITY, IMMIGRATION AND GENDER AFFAIRS (MS MOKGETHI): Ke a leboga Modulasetilo.

Ke leboge batlotlegi botlhe ba ba tsereng sebaka sa go tshwaela mo pegong ya me ya Committee of Supply.
Ke tlaa bua ka bongwe ka bongwe ka fa ba neng ba tshwaela ka teng, ke bo ke leka go araba dipotso tsotlhe ka fa ba neng ba di bua ka teng le ka fa ba akgetseng ka teng.

Ke tlaa simolola ka Honourable Lefoko Moagi, ka fa a neng a bua ka go bulwa ga melelwane ka gore go a tshwenya, go ama batho ba kgaolo ya gagwe, it stretches resources tsa banaleseabe ba ba re thusang kwa melelwaneng, jaaka ba Botswana Defence Force (BDF) le sepodise.
Ke dumalana le ene ka kgang eo, ke tsaya gore ke ntlha e ke e tleng ke bue ka yone kgapetsakgapetsa.

Ke a lemoga gore batlotlegi ba setse ba fela pelo, mabapi le kgang e ya go tswalwa ga melelwane.

Go bulwa ga melelwane go mo lenaneong la rona, re bua ka gone kgwedi le kgwedi fa re tshwere diphuthego gammogo le border agencies tse dingwe, ba BURS, Botsogo, Agriculture le DIS.

Ke raya gore go na le various border agencies ba re tshwaraganeng e bile re buisana le bone.
Batlotlegi ba tshwanetse go tlhaloganya gore, go bulwa ga melelwane go raya tshwaragano le mafatshe a mangwe a re bapileng le one.

Go ne go raya gore re tsenelele dipuisano le bone gore melelwane e e bulwe.

Ke batla go bua ka bophara, ka gore ke bona gore kgang e e tshwentse batlotlegi ba le bantsi mabapi le dikgaolo tsa bone gore di amegile thata ka go tswalwa ga melelwane e. Ke supe gore ke kgang e re tlaa e tshwaraganelang re bo re bua le bone.
Motlotlegi Brooks, ke go utlwa sentle ka gore batho ba Kgaolo ya Kgalagadi South ke masika a me, so ke a go tlhaloganya sentle gore e ba amile thata.

Go na le dilo tse di tshwanang le cross-border trade tse di amegileng thata, di beile batho ka fa mosing.

Dilo di a tura mo Botswana, ka gore kwa di neng di rekwa teng kwa South Africa, melelwane e tswetswe.
Re tshwanetse go tlhaloganya gape gore ba Botsogo, ba na le seabe se se tona mo kgannyeng e ya tshwetso ya go bula melelwane ka gore they are critical stakeholders mabapi le dikgang tsa gore re santse re tshela le COVID-19, e santse e le teng mo lefatsheng la rona le mafatshe a re bapileng le one.

Re tshwanetse go lemoga gore pele, re ne ra tsenelela dipuisano le lefatshe la South Africa mabapi le go bula melelwane e e ka fa borwa jwa lefatshe la Botswana.
Re ne ra ba kopa gore ba bule melelwane e le mmalwa, mme ba feletse ba butse border ya Bokspits fela.

18 Hansard No 205Wednesday 2nd March, 2022ORGANISATION 0400 - MINISTRY OF NATIONALITY, IMMIGRATION AND GENDER AFFAIRSCommittee of Supply (Resumed Debate) Ke tswelele ke bua ka kgang ya ga Honourable Peggy Serame, ka fa a neng a tshwaela ka teng, re a leboga ka fa a akgetseng ka teng.
Ntlha e a e buileng ke kgang fela e e botlhokwa ya gore, jaanong ba lemoga gore ba tswe mo go direng gender neutral budget, ba dire gender budgeting.

Ke a leboga ka fa a buileng ka teng, gore ba kgonne go ya go kopa dikgakololo mo baitseanapeng gore fa go buiwa ka gender budgeting go tewa jang.

Re a leboga fela thata gore re ne ra kgona go ba engage re le ministry o gender e welang ka fa tlase ga one, ba feletse ba kgonne go re tlhaloganya e rile re engage le bone.
Re tlaa tswelela re ntse re bereka mmogo, re le banaleseabe re tshwaraganye le ba Ministry of Finance and Economic Development, go bona gore re dira jang mabapi le dikgang tse.

O amile kgang ya melelwane gore, re e tshwaraganetse mmogo le ya one stop border post.

O ne wa bua gore o a lemoga e bile o a leboga, ka inclusion ya kgang ya digitisation ya ministry wa rona.

Re e tshwaraganetse kgang e ya go manage borders, jaaka o tlhola o botswa ka dikgang tse gore tota jaanong o tlaa tlhabolola border e leng?
Ke dikgang tse re di tshwaraganetseng mmogo, re tlaa tswelela re ntse re bereka re bona gore re ka dira jang mabapi le dikgang tsa teng.

Honourable Motsamai o amile kgang ya bokete jwa madi a P500, a a duelwang kgapetsakgapetsa fa batho ba feta kwa melelwaneng.

Mma ke supe honourable gore, tota kgang e ke ya ba Lephata la Botsogo, ke tsaya gore fa ba bua o ka itebaganya le bone wa botsa kgang e go supa matshwenyego a gago mabapi le dikgang tsa madi a a kwa godimo.
O ne wa bua gape gore border ya Mamuno, e tsenngwe mo thulaganyong ya melelwane e e yang go dirwa one stop border post.

Ke supe gore dipuisano tsa rona le ba Namibia di tsweletse, mabapi le gore go simolodisiwe one stop border post kwa Mamuno.

Ke project e e eteletsweng pele ke ba Ministry of Finance and Economic Development, ba Lephata la BURS.
Ka ngwaga wa 2021 go ne ga simolodisiwa mo go bidiwang gotwe a steering committee, e e akaretsang border agencies fela tsotlhe gore re tle re buisane ka dikgang tse mabapi le melelwane yotlhe e re batlang go e dira one stop border posts.

O ne wa bua ka community ya gago ya kwa Gantsi, mabapi le dikgaolo tsa Charles Hill le Ncojane le gore a re ne re ka se ke re dire gore go kgonagale gore go ikopelwe passports kwa molelwaneng wa Mamuno.
Eo ke ka e araba ka gore, tota borders are not designated points to apply for passports teng ka gore ga re na facilities teng.

Borders are exit and entry points tse e leng gore ga se kwa go ikopelwang passports teng.

Passports are processed fa batho ba tlola melelwane.

Gape Honourable Motsamai o ne a kopa gore re simolodise molelwane kwa Kole.

Jaanong gantsi tota fa borders di simolosiwa, go raya gore lenaneo la teng a bo le le mo National Development Plan (NDP).
Mo nakong e, go bula border post kwa Kole ga go yo mo NDP ya lefatshe la Botswana.

Honourable Lefhoko Moagi, Honourable Peggy le Honourable Motsamai ba ne ba bua ka maranyane a re ikaelelang go a tsenya, go tokafatsa ditirelo tsa rona.

Ke a lemoga gore le re eme nokeng mabapi le maikaelelo le maikemisetso a rona.

Jaanong jaaka le supile, projects tsa teng maikaelelo a tsone ke go tokafatsa ditirelo tsa rona ka fa re thusang Batswana ka teng gore go nne motlhofo, go nne bofefo.
Project ya tsa maranyane re tlaabo re e tshwaraganetse le ba SmartBotswana.

Maikaelelo a rona ke gore project e, e simolole mo ngwageng one o wa 2022/2023 financial year.

Modulasetilo, go na le bangwe ba buileng thata ka kgang ya bong le ditlhabololo.
Ke simolole fela ke lemoge maphata mangwe le makgotla a a ikemetseng ka nosi a a neng a tsenya mo go bidiwang gotwe gender mainstreaming mo dithulaganyong tsa bone, ba lebeletse ditlhokego tse di faphegileng tsa bomme, borre, bana ba basetsana le ba basimane.
Ke tlaa nankola jaana; ke Ministries of Basic Education, Agricultural Development and Food Security, Local Government and Rural Development, Environment, Natural Resources Conservation and Tourism, Land Management, Water and Sanitation Services, Defence, Justice and Security and Finance and Economic Development.

Jaanong ba makgotla a a ikemetseng ka nosi… “EXCHANGE OF SPEAKERSHIP” MR CHAIRPERSON (MR MOATLHODI): Sorry to interrupt your good flow of debate Honourable Minister.
Ke kopa go kgalemela Motlotlegi Mopalamente wa Francistown Bophirima, emisa go letsa megala rraetsho, please.

MR MOSWAANE: Ga ke ise ke letse Morena.

My phones are on silence.

MR CHAIRPERSON: Ee, mme silence eo affects our gadgets this side.

Ke a di bona.

Please continue Honourable Minister.

19 Hansard No 205Wednesday 2nd March, 2022ORGANISATION 0400 - MINISTRY OF NATIONALITY, IMMIGRATION AND GENDER AFFAIRSCommittee of Supply (Resumed Debate) MS MOKGETHI: Ke a leboga Modulasetilo.
Ke ne ke santse ke bua ka makgotla le maphata a e leng gore ba setse ba dirile gender mainstreaming.

Jaanong ba makgotla a a ikemetseng ka nosi ke ba Woman and Sport Botswana, Ditshwanelo, Botswana Gender Based Violence Prevention and Support Centre, CEDA, Women in Business Association gammogo le Gender Links.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Boko, clarification.

MR CHAIRPERSON: Clarification sought, are you agreeable Honourable Minister?
MS MOKGETHI: Modulasetilo, go santse go na le modumo ole o ke tsayang gore o tswa mo microphone wa ga Honourable Moswaane.

MR CHAIRPERSON: Let us have order please!

Please continue Honourable Minister.

Bagaetsho, please put all your gadgets to dead silence.

MS MOKGETHI: Honourable Boko o ne a kopa clarification.

MR CHAIRPERSON: Okay.

MR BOKO: Thank you Mr Chairperson.

Mma ke tseye nako e ke dumedise Batlotlegi Mapalamente, Batswana ka kakaretso, Mr Chairperson le Tona.

Tona, go na le selelo.


Ke ntse ke reeditse Mapalamente otlhe a a ntseng a bua a kganetso le ba ba busang ba lela ka gore, ke dirisa mafoko a ga Honourable Wynter Mmolotsi gore “o kare le dirile this Interministerial Committee mme it is overshadowed by mananeo a a tlileng ka Mohumagadi wa ga Tautona, Mma Atsile.” Go botlhokwa gore o tlhalose kgang e gore a mme e na le boammaaruri kana ga e boammaaruri?

Fa e le gore go na le boammaaruri, ke eng Mma Atsile o kare ke ene the face ya go lwantsha GBV?
Re itse gore re le Puso, re na le lenaneo le re le beileng pele go lwantsha kgang ya kgokgontsho ya bomme e e diragalang malatsi le malatsi mo nakong ya gompieno.

Re setse re tshogela bana ba rona ba basetsana ka tsela e e ntseng jalo.

Ke eng o kare Interministerial Committee le ne le e dira fela go batla go re didimatsa?

Ga go na sepe se e se dirang.

Ga re bone sepe sa yone, e didimetse.

Go tletse borre mo teng, bomme ba babedinyana fela mo teng.

O kare e ne e le setshosa fela.


Why is that the issue Mma Mokgethi?

Ke eng go ntse jalo?

Ke a leboga.

MS MOKGETHI: Thank you Modulasetilo.

Ke tlaa tla ke goroga kwa go tsone fa ke araba batlotlegi ba bangwe ba ba neng ba feta ka kgang eo.

Ke supe gore dikgang tsa bong, banana, bana, batho ba ba tshelang le bogole, ke tse e leng gore they are cross cutting development issues.

Ke dikgang tse di batlang to be mainstreamed ke maphata le sectors fela tsotlhe.
Ke bua ke tsentse le Ntlo e ya Palamente mo teng.

Go raya gore rotlhe re tshwanetse re e lebalebe, re bone gore re ka dira jang gore these issues le tsone we are mainstreaming them.

Go botlhokwa gore ditshwetso tse di maleba le dikgato di tshwanetse di tsewe mabapi le dikgang tsa institutionalisation of gender mo ditlhabololong tsotlhe.

Ke gwetlhe batlotlegi botlhe to adopt gender issues mo Ntlong e. Microphone wa ga Motlotlegi Moswaane o nkgoreletsa go bua.
MR CHAIRPERSON: Motlotlegi Mopalamente wa Francistown Bophirima, baakanya microphone wa gago.

O kgoreletsa ditsamaiso tsa rona.

MR MOSWAANE: Thank you so much.

MS MOKGETHI: Ke dumalana le motlotlegi o o sa tswang go bua gore dikgang tsa kgokgontsho di tshwanetse go akerediwa go tswa kwa moding.

Go nne le dithuto tse di tseneletseng; comprehensive sexuality education go lebeletswe dingwaga tsa bana ba sekole gore ba kgone go di tlhaloganya sentle go lebilwe dingwaga tsa bone.
Dithuto tseo di tshwanetse gore di bo di fetisediwa kwa go ba Parent Teachers Association (PTA) so that bana, baithuti le batlhokomedi ba bone ba mo seemong se se lekalekanang sa go tlhaloganya.

Maiteko a Modulasetilo, ke dumela gore a tlaa ya kwa bokgaleng tota go bona gore our communities ba na le kitso e e tletseng le ditlamorago tsa dikgang tsa kgokgontsho ya bong.
Go botlhokwa gore maphata otlhe ba ipaakanyetse 2023/2024 Recurrent Budget le National Development Plan (NDP) 12 jaaka go tlaabo go diragadiwa dikgang tsa gender audit kwa maphateng fela otlhe.

Re tlaabo re dira gender audit go lebelela gore dipharologanyo di fa kae mo maphateng a a farologanyeng.

Golo mo go tlaa re thusa gore re nne le data e e tlaa re thusang go lebagana le mananeo le progammes tse di maleba.
Ke bue gape ka dikgang tsa gore re bo re nna le difofu kana gender blind mo dikgannyeng tsa bong.

Ke tsa dipaka tsa di fetileng, mme re ka se ke re kgone gore re tswelele fela jaaka re tsweletse jaana.

Fa re re gender blind, re raya to be gender neutral.
Re tshwanetse re itebaganye head-on ka dikgang tsa bong re dira mo gotweng gender programming, mme re sa tlogele ope 20 Hansard No 205Wednesday 2nd March, 2022ORGANISATION 0400 - MINISTRY OF NATIONALITY, IMMIGRATION AND GENDER AFFAIRSCommittee of Supply (Resumed Debate) kwa morago.

Batswana botlhe; bomme, borre, bana ba basimane le bana ba basetsana ba tshwanetse go akarediwa mo ditlhabololong tsa rona tsa lefatshe la rona.
Mabapi le programming kana go tsenya rre le ngwana wa mosimane mo dithulaganyong, lephata la me le tshwaragane le ba Men Sector le makgotla a mangwe a a ikemetseng ka nosi jaaka bo Men and Boys for Gender Equality le ba Botswana Institute of Rehabilitation and Reintegration of Offenders (BIRRO) gore re ba itsese kana re ba rute ka dikgang tsa tekatekano ya bong le go fema gore dikgang tsa kgokgontsho di tswelele mme le bone ba thusiwe ka capacity building and life skills.
Modulasetilo, go santse go le gontsi mo go tshwanetseng gore go dirwe go tsenya borre mo dithutong… Honourable Moswaane, your mic again.

gore e lebalebiwe re bone gore re ka dira jang go tsenya the categories tse dingwe tsa babereki gore le bone ba kgone go fiwa residence permits.
Re a go utlwa, mme e tlaa re re tsweletse ka dikgang tsa go rerisanya le Batswana ka paakanyo ya molao ole jaaka ke ne ke supile gore re ya go baakanya molao ole, ke nngwe ya dilo tse re tlaa utlwang gore Batswana ba akgela jang mo dikgannyeng tsa teng fa re ntseng re rerisanya le bone ka dikgang tsa teng.

Honourable Brooks o amile kgang ya... HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ke ne ke kopile clarification.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: A re o kopa clarification.

MS MOKGETHI: Ke mang yo o kopang?


HONOURABLE MEMBER: Honourable Moswaane.

MR CHAIRPERSON: Motho yo o tlaa re tshwenya waitse.

MS MOKGETHI: Go ahead, I give him a go-ahead Honourable Chairperson.

MS MOKGETHI: Re bua ka dikgang tsa go akaretsa borre mo ma mananenong a rona otlhe go lebagana le dikgang tsa tekatekano ya bong le tsa kgokgontsho tse di diragalang mo tšhabeng ya rona ka kakaretso.

MR MOSWAANE: Procedure Mr Chairperson.

Mic o ga ke o re sepe le fa o re ke tlaa le tshwenya.
Fa e le gore ke sengwe, ke dilo tsa lona tsa maranyane ka koo, ga se nna tota.

Ke a kopa gore le nna ke tsewe ka lorato tota.

Ke a itse gore ke a ilwa mo go ntseng jang, but I am here for the people of Francistown.

Thank you.

MR CHAIRPERSON: Ke dumalana le wena rraetsho, you are here for the people of Francistown, but our gadgets this side indicate to us that your gadgets are not properly kept.

So, le nna ke kopa gore re dirisanye sir.

Ke lebogile sir.

Please continue Honourable Minister.


MS MOKGETHI: Nnyaa mme Honourable Moswaane, nna ke a go rata, ga ke go ile.

Fa ke leng teng fa go a bonala gore ke mic wa gago o nang le bothata, mme o a nkgoreletsa.

Honourable Motsamai o buile ka dikgang tsa go tokafatsa ditsela tse di yang kwa melelwaneng tsa dikgaolo tsa Ghanzi.

Re a go utlwa honourable gore wa reng.

Ke supe gore kgang eo ga e a lebagana le lephata la me, ke dikgang tse di lebaganeng le Lephata la Transport.
Honourable Brooks o amile kgang ya go baakanya Immigration Act.

Re a go utlwa Honourable Brooks gore ke kgang e e botlhokwa e e tshwanetseng MR CHAIRPERSON: Thank you Honourable Minister.

Honourable Moswaane.

MR MOSWAANE: Point of clarification.

Thank you Minister, thank you Honourable Chairperson.

Ke ne ke re mmaetsho ke tshwenyegile thata ka dikgang tsa bomme.
Gompieno motho yo ke tsayang gore o ka tswa a sotla bomme go feta selekanyo ke Puso ka go emisa lenaneo le le neelang bomme dithata tsa itsholelo la Gender le le neng le neela a group of five P250 000 mme fa motho a kopa a le mongwefela a neelwa P100 000.

This project was doing very well and we can see a lot of people ba ba leng empowered ka yone, mme le tsere tshwetso the past four years ago gore it is budgeted for mme madi ga a goroge kwa dikgaolong.
Ke re selo se mma o se bona se ntse jang ka gore o mme o itse botlhoko jo bo rwelweng ke bomme mo malwapeng?

O itse gore ba sotlega tshotlego e e ngomolang pelo.

Thank you.

MS MOKGETHI: Thank you Modulasetilo.

Kgang e e tlhaga kgapetsakgapetsa mo Ntlong e ya Palamente.
Ke tsaya gore ke e arabile kgapetsakgapetsa le nna go supa gore lenaneo le le emisitswe ka ngwaga wa 2017, ka lebaka la gore re ne re sena budget ya go diragatsa lenaneo leo, gape dikopo tse di tseneng mo lephateng la rona di ne di le 10 times more than the capacity e e teng mo lephateng la rona.
Re ne re na le capacity constraints ya bodiredi gore a ba na le bokgoni jwa gore ba kgone go sekaseka dikopo tseo fa di tla di le dintsintsi 21 Hansard No 205Wednesday 2nd March, 2022ORGANISATION 0400 - MINISTRY OF NATIONALITY, IMMIGRATION AND GENDER AFFAIRSCommittee of Supply (Resumed Debate) jaana.

Gape go ne go na le bothata jwa monitoring and evaluation.
Gape ke supile gore this programme e ya Women Economic Empowerment jaanong e name e emisitswe ka gore e a sekasekwa ka gore go dirwa realignment le dikgang tse.

Ke tlaa kopa bomme lefatshe ka bophara gore ba inaakanye le makgotla a a ikemetseng ka nosi ba ba kgonang go adimisa madi.

Ba kgona go dirisa mananeo a mangwe a Puso a tshwana le bo Mabogo-Dinku kwa CEDA.

Mananeo a mantsintsi a bomme ba lefatshe la Botswana ba ka a dirisang go tokafatsa matshelo a bone.

Mma ke tswelele Modulasetilo.


Honourable Brooks o ne a bua ka airstrip ya kwa Bokspits.

Ke supe gore ke nngwe ya dilo tse di welang ka fa tlase ga Ministry of Transport and Communications.

Honourable o ne a bua gape ka Bokspits border gore it has to be computerised.

Ke ne ka ama kgang eo fa ke rola speech sa me ke supa gore mo financial year yone e ya 2022/2023 gore e akareditswe mo teng gore go tsenngwe computers le border control system mo go yone.
Honourable Pule, le ene o buile ka ditsela tse di ya kwang borders.

Honourable, le yone ke tla e araba fela jaaka ke arabile Honourable Brooks gore ke dikgang tsa ditsela, tse di welang ka fa tlase ga Lephata le lengwe la Transport and Communications.

Jaanong to transform border ya Sikwane gore e nne commercial border ke nngwe ya ditshwetso tse e leng gore le tsone ke dikgang tse di tsewang ke lephata le lengwe, ga se tshwetso e e tsewang ke lephata la me.
Tla ke fetele kwa go tse dingwe ke arabe Honourable Motsamai ka dikago tsa rona tse a neng a re ga di mo seemong se se siameng.

Tla ke supe gore go na le maintenance work ya matlo a badiredi ba rona gone kwa Mamuno, mme go na le matlo a mararo a re a bitsang re re semi-detached staff houses tse di setseng di baakantswe jaaka ke bua le wena jaana.

Le ba BURS ba tshwaragane le kgang ya go aga high density staff housing gone kwa Old Mamuno.
Ke supe gape gore, re le lephata re ne ra etela kwa Mamuno bofelo jwa ngwaga wa 2021 go ya go sekaseka tiro eo e e tsweletseng koo, mme re bona thuso mo go ba Ministry of Infrastructure gore re tle re feleletse project eo.

Mabapi le kgang ya nako, Honourable Chairperson, ke siilwe ke nako.

I will therefore conclude my presentation.


I therefore request that the sum of Four Hundred and Forty-Three Million, One Hundred and Eight Thousand, Four Hundred and Forty Pula (P443,108,440) under the Recurrent Budget for Organisation 0400 be approved and stand part of the schedule of the Appropriation (2022/2023) Bill, 2022 and that the sum of One Hundred and Thirty-Five Million, Eight Hundred and Thirty-One Thousand, Eight Hundred and Eight Pula (P135,831,808).
for the Development Budget for Organisation 0400 be approved and stand part of those estimates for the financial year 2022/2023.

I therefore move accordingly.

I thank you Mr Chairperson.

Question put and agreed to.


ORGANISATION 0500 – MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURAL DEVELOPMENT AND FOOD SECURITY MR CHAIRPERSON: Honourable Members, please note that two hours 50 minutes have been allocated to this Organisation, and I shall call upon the Honourable Minister to reply to the debate at five minutes past twelve tomorrow, and the question will be put at 1235 hours tomorrow.

Honourable Minister, please talk to your Bill.


OF AGRICULTURAL MINISTER DEVELOPMENT AND FOOD SECURITY (MR GARE): Thank you Mr Chairperson and good afternoon.

Mr Chairperson, I have the honour to present to this Honourable House, the Ministry of Agricultural Development and Food Security’s Recurrent and Development Budgets proposal for the 2022/2023 financial year under Organisation 0500.

My presentation starts by highlighting the budget performance for the 2021/22 financial year.
2021/2022 BUDGET PERFORMANCE Mr Chairperson, my ministry’s Approved Budget for the financial year 2021/2022 was P2,085,997,510 comprising of P1,391,997,510 Recurrent Budget and P694,000,000 for Development Budget.

The major components of the budgets are ISPAAD, LIMID, Personnel Emoluments for ministry staff, parastatals subvention and other operating expenditure for the various departments in the ministry.
The ministry’s actual recurrent expenditure as at 25 February 2022 was at P1,162,181,031, which is 83.5 per cent of the warranted provision for the year, and development expenditure was P587,251,068 which is 84.6 per cent.
SECTORAL REVIEW LIVESTOCK PRODUCTION Mr Chairperson, my ministry continues to implement Government support programmes such as Livestock 22 Hansard No 205Wednesday 2nd March, 2022ORGANISATION 0500 – MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURAL DEVELOPMENT AND FOOD SECURITYCommittee of Supply Management and Infrastructure Development (LIMID) and Special ISPAAD.
The LIMID programme consists of the two components, namely; resource poor (small stock, tswana chickens), and Infrastructure Development (livestock water development, animal husbandry, fodder support and abattoirs).

From April to December 2021, the LIMID Phase II supported 5,122 projects.

These included 4,836 small stock, 158 Tswana chickens, 109 Animal Husbandry and Fodder Support (AHFS) and 19 water developments projects.
Mr Chairperson, Government authorized selective live cattle exports as a relief measure to assist farmers to access other markets as a result of the ongoing restructuring of the cattle industry.

This dispensation was further extended by a period of two years effective January 2022 to 31 December 2023.
Since inception, a total of 205,685 cattle have been sold across the borders of which 200,566 (97.5 per cent) were sold to the Republic of South Africa while only 5,119 (2.5 per cent) were sold to the Republic of Namibia.

Mr Chairperson, from April 2021 to February 2022, milk production in the country increased to 7,323,000 litres from 5,352,914 litres, the increase is attributed to an increase in dairy cattle numbers.

The annual national demand is 65 million litres.


The deficit is augmented by importation from neighbouring countries.

In order to increase milk production, the ministry will purchase more female sexed and ordinary semen and sell to dairy farmers at subsidized prices.
Mr Chairperson, my ministry continues to provide artificial insemination service to farmers in an effort to improve the genetic production potential of the national herd through 13 active Artificial Insemination (AI) Camps across the country.

A total of 4,428 cows were received during the current (2021/2022) breeding season, compared to 4,044 cows received in 2020/2021 breeding season, indicating an increase, as farmers continue to appreciate the benefits of the AI programme.
The ministry is working towards resuscitating Ncojane and Phuduhudu AI camps in preparation to receive cattle in the 2022/2023 breeding season.

Mr Chairperson, the national demand for pork is 1,500 tons per annum, which exceeds the production of 479 tons.

As a result, the Sebele Pig Multiplication Unit supplies farmers with improved pig breeds.

However, only 120 pigs were supplied for the farmers this year.
The subsector is faced with major challenges such as high feed prices, inadequate slaughter facilities and un-organised market.

To address this, the ministry will introduce Artificial Insermination in pigs, introduce another breed line to Multiplication Unit to improve breed variability and also form clusters.

The poultry industry has progressed well and is now self-sufficient, except for specific cuts for retailers.
Total of 36,857.44 tonnes of chickens and 8.557,235 dozens of eggs have been produced from April to December 2021.

Local poultry farmers such as the one in Letlhakane hatch 12,000 to 14,000-day old layer chicks per week.

Mr Chairperson, the agriculture sector plays a major role in socio-economic development and environmental conservation by maintaining various ecosystems.
Honey production recorded in 2021 nationally was at 13.5 tons which translated to 21.8 per cent of the national demand, and the national demand stands at 62 tons.

The deficit is met through importation of honey from neighboring countries.

The low honey production is attributable to effects of climate change such as prolonged drought, high temperatures and erratic rainfalls.
My ministry is implementing a beekeeping training project under Economic Recovery Transformational Plan (ERTP) at Ramatlabama Artificial Insemination Centre.

The subsector in collaboration with Food and Agriculture Organisation (FAO) is also developing an Apiculture Value Chain Strategy which will provide an environment for growth of the subsector.

Mr Chairperson, during the financial year 2021/2022, aquaculture production stood at 250 tonnes against the national demand of 3,000 tonnes.
The following projects are being undertaken to improve production; rehabilitation of Mmadinare Fish Hatchery to meet national fingerling demand, establishment of Aquaculture Development Zones in the SPEDU region and establishment of Shakawe Mini-Hatchery in the Okavango Delta for the reproduction of fingerlings of indigenous Tilapia species.
ANIMAL DISEASE CONTROL Mr Chairperson, Foot and Mouth Disease (FMD) situation remains stable with no outbreaks of the disease reported in the FMD free zones since 2011.

The FMD freedom status was endorsed by the World Organisation for Animal Health (OIE) in May 2021.

However, there is still threat from the neighbouring countries particularly the new FMD serotype (O) due to ongoing FMD outbreaks in the affected neighbouring countries.
23 Hansard No 205Wednesday 2nd March, 2022ORGANISATION 0500 – MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURAL DEVELOPMENT AND FOOD SECURITYCommittee of Supply Mr Chairperson, my ministry commenced small stock traceability in July 2021.

One million tags were procured for identification of small stock.

Furthermore, 95 Botswana Animal Information and Traceability (BAITS) cafes has been established across the country, so far 88 of those are operational and only seven are non-operational.
These BAITS cafes create employment for the youth as well as improving BAITS access for farmers, thus improving service delivery.

Mr Chairperson, the prevalence of beef measles in carcasses remain at 6 per cent, in spite of the launch of the National Beef Measles Strategy in 2018, instead of anticipated target of 4 per cent.

The slow drop in prevalence is attributable to inadequate toilets in production areas.

My ministry will intensify publicity on beef measles control in the next financial year.
The Bird Flu outbreak in Bokaa, Etsha, Shorobe and Seronga extension areas has subsided.

The ministry will continue to strengthen biosecurity measures and disease surveillance in order to combat this disease.

CROP PRODUCTION transformative Mr Chairperson, a new rainfed is awaiting programme has been developed and approval.

The programme will be implemented during the 2022/2023 cropping season.
This new programme entails: subsidising agricultural financing; building rainfed agricultural production systems that are youth, disability and gender sensitive.

This will also provide safe production environments for all and promote rainfed producers.

The collective bargaining of programme emphasis will be on cluster production and revamping of existing farmers’ committees.
the annual production of fresh Mr Chairperson, vegetables and fruits show a significant increase in area cultivated and total production over the previous seasons with 53,983 tonnes and 75,448.92 tonnes in 2019/2020 and 2020/2021 respectively; this is below the national demand of 112,000 tonnes.
Government continues to support the horticulture farmers by subsidising the overall production requirements which we include both inputs and equipment through the Integrated Support Programme for Arable Agriculture Development (ISPAAD) Horticulture Impact Accelerator Subsidy.

However, the programme has been experiencing a low uptake.

To address this, the administration of the programme and its provisions have been improved.
My ministry continues to construct earth dams to support livestock and crop production.

During 2021/2022, three dams have been constructed and two rehabilitated.

Furthermore, five wells have been rehabilitated.

AGRICULTURAL MARKET ACCESS Mr Chairperson, the ministry is in collaboration with the Japanese undertaking a market oriented program for small scale farmers to align their products with the market.
The subsector is currently dominated by small scale farmers; hence the Small Holder Horticulture Empowerment Program (SHEP) which will assist in building production and business skills to ensure sustainability of these entities.

Mr Chairperson, my ministry facilitated several market days for agricultural products throughout the country and the results were impressive as farmers would sell all that they brought to the market.
The ministry further facilitated Botswana Horticultural Council (BoHoCo) to lease from Government two market structures in Lobatse and Francistown, while Bobonong has been handed to Boasapele Cooperative market to assist the small scale farmers to sell their produce.

The Lobatse Horticultural market is currently operational.

RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT The establishment of the National Agricultural Research and Development Institute (NARDI) is to be carried out in phases.
The first phase entails migration of National Food Technology Research Centre (NFTRC) and Department of Agricultural Research (DAR) into NARDI, and this will be completed by end of March 2022.

PROPOSED MINISTRY BUDGET FOR 2022/2023 Mr Chairperson, allow me now to present the Recurrent and Development Budget proposals for my ministry.
Mr Chairperson, the total proposed budget for the financial year 2022/2023 for Ministry of Agricultural Development and Food Security under Recurrent and Development allocations Two Billion, Four Hundred and Two Million, Two Hundred and Ninety-Nine Thousand, Four Hundred Pula (P2.402.299,400).
This comprises of One Billion, Four Hundred and Forty-Three Million, Two Hundred and Ninety-Nine Thousand, Four Hundred Pula (P1.443.299,400) or 60 per cent and P959 million or 40 per cent for Recurrent and Development Budgets respectively.
24 Hansard No 205Wednesday 2nd March, 2022ORGANISATION 0500 – MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURAL DEVELOPMENT AND FOOD SECURITYCommittee of Supply RECURRENT BUDGET The ministry’s Recurrent Budget proposal for the financial year 2022/2023 is One Billion, Four Hundred and Forty-Three Million, Two Hundred and Ninety-Nine Thousand, Four Hundred Pula (P1.443.299,400) which is an increase of Fifty-One Million, Three Hundred and One Thousand, Eight Hundred and Ninety Pula (P51.301,890) or 3.7 per cent.
The ministry’s four parastatal organisations namely; Botswana University of Agriculture and Natural Resources (BUAN), Botswana Agricultural Marketing Board (BAMB), Botswana Meat Commission-Maun (BMC) Maun, National Research and Development Institute (NARDI) have been allocated a total provision of Three Hundred and Ninety-Nine Million, Two Hundred and Fifty-Three Thousand, Nine Hundred and Ninety Pula (P399.253,990).
This shows an increase of Ninety-Nine Million, Eight Hundred and Twenty-One Thousand, One Hundred and Eighty Pula (P99.821,180) from the current year’s total provision.

Mr Chairperson, the proposed total allocation for the ministry’s departments excluding parastatals is One Billion, Forty-Four Million, Forty-Five Thousand, Four Hundred and Ten Pula (P1.044.045,410).

ministry’s Development Budget.


The funds are for National Agricultural Research and Development Institute (NARDI) at Sixty Million Pula (P60 000 000) and Sebele Infrastructure at Ten Million Pula (P10 000 000).

• Botswana University of Agriculture and Natural Resources (BUAN) has been allocated One Hundred and Thirty-One Million Eight Hundred Thousand Pula (P131 800 000).
• Animal Production has been allocated One Hundred and Eight Million Pula (P108 000 000) which is for Livestock Management and Infrastructure Development (LIMID) and this constitutes about 11.3 per cent of ministry’s Development Budget.

• Forty-Two Million, Four Hundred Thousand Pula (P42 400 000) has been requested under the Veterinary Services Department.
Funds amounting to Ten Million Four Hundred Thousand Pula (P10 400 000) will be used for Control and Eradication of Foot and Mouth Disease, Twenty-Four Million Pula (P24 000 0000) for Emergency and Disease Control and Eight Million Pula (P8 000 000) for Botswana Animal Traceability System.

This request constitutes approximately 4.4 per cent of the budget.

CONCLUSION DEVELOPMENT BUDGET The Development Budget proposal for the Financial year 2022/2023 is P959 million.
The budget reflects an increase of P265 million, which is 38 per cent increase of the current financial year’s approved allocation of P694 million.

The expenditure as indicated at the beginning of the presentation stands at 84.6 per cent.

The 2022/2023 Development Budget will be mainly used for projects indicated below; • Ministry headquarters will be allocated Two Hundred and Sixty-Five Million Pula (P265 000 000).
Mr Chairperson, this concludes my presentation of the 2022/2023 Recurrent and Development Budget for my ministry.

I therefore, move that the sum of One Billion, Four Hundred and Forty-Three Million, Two Hundred and Ninety-Nine Thousand, Four Hundred Pula (P1 443 299 400) under Recurrent Estimates and the sum of Nine Hundred and Fifty-Nine Million Pula (P959 000 000) under Development Estimates be approved and stand as part of the Schedule and Estimates.

I thank you Mr Chairperson.


• Crop production will be allocated Three Hundred and Forty-One Million Eight Hundred Thousand Pula (P341 800 000) which is required for crop production.

This constitutes approximately 35.6 per cent of the ministry’s Development Budget.

MR CHAIRPERSON: Honourable Gare, Honourable Minister responsible for Agriculture, Rraagwe Leatile, re a leboga Mokgatla.

The matter is open for debate.

Motlotlegi Mopalamente wa Lerala-Maunatlala, Rraagwe Lone.
• Seventy Million Pula (P70 000 000) is required under the Department of Agricultural Research.

This represents approximately 7.3 per cent of the MINISTER ASSISTANT LOCAL GOVERNMENT AND RURAL DEVELOPMENT (MR MODUKANELE): Ke a leboga Modulasetilo.
Ke leboge le Minister Rre Gare, gore a bo a re beile kopo OF 25 Hansard No 205Wednesday 2nd March, 2022ORGANISATION 0500 – MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURAL DEVELOPMENT AND FOOD SECURITYCommittee of Supply e pele, mme ke supe fela jaana gore ke mo ema nokeng mo kopong e, gore Palamente e mo gololele madi a a tle a ye go dira ditiro tse dintsi tse a di buileng.

Mr Chairperson, Minister o amile go le gontsi, ga ke na go siana le gone gotlhe.
Ke tlaa leka go bua tota mo e leng gore are bread and butter issues and just go to the basics.

Lantlhantlha ke supe jaana gore, boammaaruri ke gore over the years, Goromente wa lefatshe le, wa Puso e, o eme ka ditsentsepa ga ke bua segaetsho, a leka ka bojotlhe go bona gore Lephata la Temothuo ammaaruri le a itshetela.
Mr Chairperson, sengwe se ke batlang go se gakolola ke gore, re ntse re siana jaana ka maiteko jaaka Minister a supa, sengwe se se botlhokwatlhokwa ke gore, fa o utlwa ke re gongwe ga re re boele fa moragonyana, re lebe gore gatwe golo gongwe fale mmuru o o etlang o somoga ke ofe.
Ke batla go bua fa ka extension services ya agriculture, gore fa go tsenwa kwa dikgaolong, o le morui and an ordinary Motswana, yo re itseng gore ga a sena kgomo le podi, botshelo jwa Motswana bo a bo bo seyo, fa go sena molemisi le mokenti, ruri ra re gone fa re ka realise jang tse ditona tse di ntle tse re di eletsang Mr Chairperson.
I want to plead with this Parliament, I want to plead with the Minister and his staff, fa go kgonegang teng, a re feng Minister madi, fa e le gore ke posts tse di tlhokafalang, a ye go batla bakenti le balemisi, ba tsene mo dikgaolong, ba dire tiro ya bone, re tle re bone ba fa Batswana dikgakololo tse di maleba ka nako so that maiteko a a kanakana, madi a kanakana a Goromente yo le Batswana ba a tsenyang mo lephateng le, re tle re bone dipoelo.
Ke batla go siana ke fete eo, e nngwe e ke batlang go bua ka yone ke kgang e e amilweng ke mongwe motlotlegi maabane and rightly so Mr Chairperson, a bua ka Sustainable Development Goals (SDGs) ya gore no poverty, no hunger.

Yone e, we will never realise this unless the agricultural sector is on its feet.
A re lekeng ka bojotlhe, ke gone fa o utlwang ke re ke ema Minister nokeng gore fa re bua ka tlala, hunger or poverty, dilo tse tsotlhe kwa bofelong jwa letsatsi, ga re re bo re tsena mo mmung, re rwala ditlhako, re lema, re dira sengwe le sengwe se re ka se kgonang, re rua dikgomo, gore re realise all these things.

Mr Chairperson, ke batla ke fete jalo gore those SDGs, tota kana kwa bofelong jwa letsatsi gore re di kgone, ke gore re itsheege ka temothuo.
Go ne fa jaanong, go nkgorosa kwa kgannyeng e ke batlang Minister a e note ya kwa kgaolong ya me, ya Lotsane Irrigation Scheme.

The irrigation scheme yone e ya Lotsane e e kwa Maunatlala kana kgang ke gore, ke sa tsene mo details tsa yone, e ke dumelang gore ke buile le Minister, le mothusi wa gagwe, mme e bile ke tshepha gore mo nakong e khutshwanyane, nna le bone re tlaa ya kwa Maunatlala, re ye go bona gore re ka tsweledisa kgang e e nang le potential e ntsi.
There is opportunity cost ga re tla mo kgannyeng yone e ya Lotsane Irrigation Scheme, re tsere lefatshe, mme nkabo gompieno gongwe jaana e setse e le gore there are so many things tse re ka bong re di realise, the use ya kgaolo e le, so many value chains which we are losing mo go tsone ga ke bua ka yone ya Lotsane Irrigation Scheme.
Mr Chairperson, whatever that is necessary, I will plead with the Minister gore we should unbundle this one, re bone gore go ya kwa pele, there is return on investment, there is a lot that Government has put in here in terms of money and infrastructure.
Ke dilo tse gongwe gompieno, nkabo re bua jaana, Bakgomong kwa Maunatlala, Bakgopeng ba ba gaufi le Maunatlala le Kgaolo yotlhe ya Lerala-Maunatlala, e bona sengwe from this investment and that is why ke re ke tlaa bua le Minister, ke mo kopa gompieno gore a re tshematshemeng, re bone gore sengwe se a diragala ka kgang ya Lotsane Irrigation Scheme.
150 hectares yo o beetsweng kwa thoko for investment, re solofetse, go na le 100 hectares yo, issue ya me e ne e le gore gongwe batho ba ka iteka ka bongwe ka bongwe, gongwe ba fiwa bo five hectares jalojalo Mr Chairperson, ba bo ba ka ntsha merogo le tse dintsi tse e leng gore ga di tswa, le kwa Phikwe di ka bo di goroga gompieno kwa go Rre Nkawana, ba bona gore batho ba a tshela gone koo, there is an opportunity cost to this one.
Jaanong ke one a ke reng, Minister, ke bua le wena gompieno, ke kopa ka tsweetswee gore mo nakong e e sa fediseng pelo, a nna le wena, re thulanye ditlhogo le botlhe ba ba maleba, re bone gore re ka dira jang.

Mr Chairperson, nako ga e yo, ke fete ka bonakonyana, ke batla go bua ka issue ya Local Economic Development.

Kana fa re bua ka Local Economic Development, re bua ka value chains, ke gone fa totatota e leng gore re wela teng gone koo.
Ga re bua ka value chains, that is when dilo tse dingwe tse Lephata la Agriculture, will certainly realise the dream ya ga His Excellency (HE)’s reset and reclaim agenda fa re dirisa lephata lone le, there are so many low- hanging fruits mo lephateng le Mr Chairperson.
26 Hansard No 205Wednesday 2nd March, 2022ORGANISATION 0500 – MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURAL DEVELOPMENT AND FOOD SECURITYCommittee of Supply Mma ke bue ka kgang e ka e bile ka ke ...(Inaudible)… ya ga Tautona, ya diphoko le nnetane, Mr Chairperson.

Ke a e lebogela ka gore ke nngwe ya dilo tse e leng gore ga o utlwa motho a e tle a re, se mphe tlhapi, nthute go tshwara tlhapi gore ke tle kamoso o mongwe ke e itshwarele, bongwanake ba tswelele ba tshela, go tewa gone mo.
Ga go tshwane le dilo tse dingwe tse re neng re di bona tsa soup le diphaphatha, tse e leng gore ga o jele soup le phaphatha, ke gore go ile fela jalo, kamoso o tlaabo o emaema, phaphatha o sa tlhole o e bona gope.

Fa o neetse batho diphoko, diphelefu, gongwe le dipoo, kana o ba ruta go rua dipodi gore kamoso o mongwe ba bo ba kgona go rekisetsa yo mongwe, fa o mo rekisetsa phoko ka P3000 kana P4000, that is an income Mr Chairperson.
Ke batla go rotloetsa, I am one those that should be counted fa go buiwa ka e, gore re tshwanetse re thuse e bile re rotloetse His Excellency the President gore a tswelele ka yone a thuse Batswana.

The new Integrated Support Programme for Arable Agricultural Development (ISPAAD) Mr Chairperson.

Ke batla go rotloetsa Minister gore whatever shape and form e the new ISPAAD e ka tlang ya e tsaya, kgang ya clusters e emele ka dinao Tona.
Go na le batho ba ba ipopileng, ke bua ka kgaolo ya me le cluster ya kwa Leboaneng Mr Chairperson, they have been crying for so long.

Whatever criteria e re ka tlang ra e dirisa, ke batla go kopa gore a re lebeleleng output.

Re se ka ra belelela gore batho ba kgona go tlhagola lefatshe le le kae, re bo re tlogela ba ba ntshang maduo mo lefatsheng le le nnyenyane.
This is the time e re tshwanetseng re lebelele gore you produce go le kae, ka bokae, e seng gore how much quantity of land you have used Mr Chairperson.

Ka mafoko a Mr Chairperson, ke batla go supa gore ke mongwe wa ba ba emang nokeng kopo ya ga Rre Gare le bana ba gagwe, a re ba emeng nokeng ka tsholofelo Mr Chairperson.
The human spirit is anchored on hope, ke santse ke na le tsholofelo ya gore with the new initiatives and mindset, re ka fitlhelela maikaelelo a a kanakana a go jesa lefatshe le Mr Chairperson.

A e re fa go nna jalo ke kope Palamente le Rre Motsamai a le mo teng gore, a re eme kopo e nokeng.

Ka one mafoko a ke a leboga Mr Chairperson.

Clarification.
Clarification.

HONOURABLE Honourable Modukanele, o buile point e e botlhokwa ya go nonotsha bakenti le balemisi… MEMBER: HONOURABLE MEMBER: Honourable Modukanele o feditse go bua.

MR MODUKANELE: Ke feditse e bile ga ke a go neela.

MR CHAIRPERSON: Thank you very much for clearing that area Honourable Modukanele.

I thought the two of you agreed that you have to give him a slot.
MR REGOENG (MOLEPOLOLE NORTH): Tanki Modulasetilo wa phuthego ya letsatsi leno, gore o mphe sebaka se le nna ke akgele mo pegong e re sa tswang go e bewa pele ke Tona wa Temothuo, ka madi a setšhaba a ngwaga o wa 2022/2023.

Le nna ke mo ema nokeng, e bile ke ema nokeng madi a a kopang gore a a neelwe.
Ke simolole ka go leboga Lephata la Agricultural Development and Food Security, ka gore ke lengwe la maphata a e leng gore jaaka le filwe madi jaana, otlhe a re etleng re a bitse re re Recurrent le Development Expenditure ba a dirisa ka tekatekanyo, ga ba salele kwa morago ba dirisitse a mangwe go feta.

Golo foo Tona re a go akgola, tshwara thata ka tiro e e ntseng jalo.

Ga a mantsi maphata a a dirang jaana.


Ke boele mo go reng kana Lephata le la Temothuo le botlhokwa fela thata, ka gore ke lone lephata fela le le nosi le e reng fa re bua ka dijo re le setšhaba, re bo re lebile lone.

Ga re ka ke ra leba gope gape fela, fa re tshwarwa ke tlala re ipotsa gore Ministry of Agricultural Development and Food Security o tlaabo o le kae.

Ke lephata le re lebileng gore le tokafatsa go ntsha dijo tse re di batlang tseo, ga re ka ke ra leba gope gape.
Ke lone lephata fela re le lebileng gore le ka fokotsa go baya mo mafatsheng a sele gore, go reka dijo mo mafatsheng a a tswang ka kwa ntle.

Ga re ka ke ra batla lephata lepe gore le bo le ka dira jalo.

Ke lephata fela le le nosi le le ka itebaganyang le go tswakanya itsholelo, ka gore le dilo dintsi tse le ka di ntshang.

Gape ke lephata le le nosi le e leng gore fa re bua ka go batla mebereko, bontsi jwa mebereko e ka dirwa go tswa mo lephateng leo.
Ka tsela epe fela e o ka e akanyang, bontsi jwa mebereko bo ka tswa gone foo.

Tona ke lemoga dilo tse, ke batla go boela mo kgannyeng e nngwe e e leng gore fa gongwe fa re e fa pego e tshwana le yone e e ntseng jaana, re ganelela thata mo go reng e re fa re e fa the review ya ngwaga e e fetileng, e bo re itebagantse thata le budget performance, re ikgatholola the key output performance ya gore fa re ntshitse madi a re solofela gore a ye go ntsha eng se se kana kang.

Ga re lebelele thata mo go eo.


E bile o kare re le leboga thata 27 Hansard No 205Wednesday 2nd March, 2022ORGANISATION 0500 – MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURAL DEVELOPMENT AND FOOD SECURITYCommittee of Supply kana re le Mapalamente re ikganelela thata mo go reng o dirisitse madi, gona le gore re bo re re mme mo mading a o a dirisitseng ao, o ntshitse eng.

fokoditse kana ga o a e fokotsa.

Dilo tse ke tsone tse re tshwanetseng to measure ourselves ka tsone, gore re le setšhaba re a pele kana ga re ye pele.
Fa o lebelela dipalo tse o sa tswang go re di fa Tona, di nkutlwisa botlhoko thata ka gore ga di a re ema sentle.

O ne o bua ka milk production, gore re le setšhaba re tlhokana le 65 million litres per year, mme o bo o tlhalosa gore mo nakong ya gompieno re le setšhaba, re ntsha mašhi fela a kanang ka 7.3 million litres.

Mo go rayang gore re santse re saletse kwa morago ka 57.7 million litres.
Fa ke e tsaya eo ke bo ke go busetsa kwa morago mongwame, go na le report e le e re fang ngwaga le ngwaga ya Estimates of Expenditure from the Consolidated and the Development Funds.

Mo go ya 2020/2021, fa re e bala o ne wa re solofetsa, e le your key performance, gore o ya gore mo ngwageng o o leke gore o oketse mašhi a re a ntshang ka 8 million litres.

Go a supagala gore ga re ise re bo re fitlhe foo.


The same milk production, o ne wa re solofetsa ka 2021/2022 mo go yone report eo gore o ya go oketsa go dira mašhi ka 9.9 million.

Ngwaga o gape o, o re solofeditse the same figure.

Dilo tse ke tsone tse ke reng, fa e ne e atle e re jaaka o ntse o o fa the budget performance, o re bolelele le gore tse di kgoreleditseng tse o neng o di solofeditse di ile koo ka tsela e e ntseng jang.
Mo go ya cereal, o supile fela jalo gore re santse re le kwa morago re le setšhaba, jaaka fa dipalo tse o ne wa di re fa gore tota re tlhokana le 300 000 tonnes ya mabele.

Wa supa gore re le lefatshe re dira only 116 000 tonnes, mo go rayang gore we have a deficit ya 183 000 tonnes.
Fa o lebelela fa, o ne o supile mo dingwageng tse tharo tse ke sa tswang go di supa gore, ngwaga wa 2021/2021 o tlaa oketsa ka 91 tonnes, the following year wa supa gore o tlaa oketsa ka 170, ngwaga wa gompieno o supile gore o tlaa oketsa ka …(Inaudible)… Ga o re bolelele gore dingwaga tse di fa morago tsele se se padileng gore go nne jaana ke eng.

Fa o tsena mo go ya piggery, ke go fa dipalo fela jaaka fa o ne o re di fa rraetsho, ke wena o neng o di balolola.
O supile gore re le setšhaba re tlhokana le 15 000 tonnes ya pork, mme re itirela only 479, mo go rayang gore re tlhaela ka 1 021.

Mo dingwageng tse re neng re ntse re bua tse, o ne o supile gore constantly every year o tlaabo o oketsa ka 273.

Ga o a re bolelela gore se se dirileng gore re se ka ra tla go tsena fa tota boammaaruri jotlhe ke eng.

O bo o boa o supa in the report gore, e tlaa re mo tsamaong ya nako, 2020/2021 o bo o fokoditse the import bill ka 6.9 Billion.
Ga o a supa gore a o e Mo ngwageng o o latelang 2021/2022, o ne wa supa gape gore o tlaa fokotsa the import bill ka 6.9 billion.

Le mo go ya ngwaga o o ne o supile mo report ya teng e le e re fileng gore o ya go fokotsa import bill ka madi a kalo.

Tona, dikgang tse tota fa e le gore re tlhwaafetse ka gore re itirele dijo tse di re lekanyeng, ke gore re di tseye ka tsela e ke akanyang ka yone.
Sa bobedi, le le lephata ga o re bolelele gore fa re dira dijo mo lefatsheng, wena le Ministry of Land Management, Water and Sanitation Services le amana go le kana kang gore lefatshe le nne teng, Batswana ba itirele dijo.

I will tell you, gompieno mo kgaolong ya me Batswana ba lela ka go batla lefatshe la go dira dairy farms, ga ba bone lefatshe, ga leo.

Land board ga e ba fe lefatshe ya re ga leyo, wena wa re o batla go oketsa.

Ka boammaaruri golo fa, le kopanya dilo tse ka tsela e e ntseng jang?
A re nneng mo boammaaruring, gongwe dikgang tse reng re di bua re le lephata, re le Goromente a le mongwefela, gore fa o dira se, a se tlaa kgonagala ka gore o tlaabo o bone lefatshe.

Fa go nna jalo rraetsho, ga go re berekele ka fa tota re tshwanetseng gore re dire ka teng.

Kgang e nngwe e ke neng ke batla go feta ka yone le fa nako e ntshiile rraetsho, re na le sekole se sa BUAN, bana ba teng ba ithuta ditiro tse tsotlhe, mme fa ba tswa fa, ba tsena mo seterateng.
Ke eng re sa dumalane, ra dira thulaganyo ya gore bana fa ba fetsa, ba bo ba senketswe lefatshe le ba ka yang go dira mo go lone?

Ba eletsa go dira ditiro tse ka gore ga ba ka ke ba bona tiro mo Pusong.

Ke gone ka fa re ka kgonang go intshetsa dijo tse di lekaneng ka teng.

Ke gone re ka kgonang go itirela ditiro re le Batswana, ra direla bana ba rona ditiro.

Golo fa o tlaabo o ipuela jalo, go sena fa Ministry of Lands o tsenang teng le wa Finance ka gore o go file madi.
Potso ke gore, ga o ka ke wa dirisa madi o sa a dirise mo lefatsheng, jaanong fa o sa bue le bone rraetsho, re ya go dira thulaganyo e ka tsela e e ntseng jang?

Tse dingwe tse ke batlang go wela ka tsone kwa ntleng ga go siiwa ke nako, go na le kgang e ya Zambezi Integrated Agro-Commercial Development Project (ZIACDP), o e reng ba World Bank ba supile gore ba ka re thusa.

Wa re re santse re setse ka go batla Transactional Advisor.
Rraetsho, project e e kwa Lobatse ele ya mashi le ya Leather Park, fa o bona a di tsentse jaana, ke Transactional Advisor.

Ke eng re sa ye kwa World Bank kana African Development Bank 28 Hansard No 205Wednesday 2nd March, 2022ORGANISATION 0500 – MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURAL DEVELOPMENT AND FOOD SECURITYCommittee of Supply (AfDB) ba re thuse?

They have the expertise.

Fa ba re fa madi jaana, ba re tlisetsa batho ba ba ka re thusang.

Ke gone re ka kgonang go dira dilo ka teng rraetsho.
Fa ke ya kwa bofelong rraetsho, ke a tshwenyega, lephata le la gago le na le maphata a mantsi.

Fa o ka lebelela, re na le Department of Agricultural Research, Department of Animal Production, Department of Agricultural Business Promotion, Department of Veterinary Services, Department of Agricultural Research, Statistics and Policy Development.

Fa re ka tsaya Lephata la Animal Production le Veterinary Services ra le dira lephata le le one ga tla ga berekwa, go ka nna eng?
Lephata la Business Development e bile ga ke itse gatwe tota le dira eng?

Re bo re tsaya Lephata la Agricultural Research re ya go le kopanya le la Agricultural Research and Statistics and Policy Development, go ka reng?

Gona le gore re dire maphata a mantsi jaana mo lephateng.

Babereki ba ba ithutetseng tiro, ba tlhola mo diofising ba sa ye kwa ntle go thusa balemi gore ba ka dira ka tsela e e ntseng jang.

Rraetsho, a tlhwaafalele gore kgang e, gore re e lwantsha ka tsela e e ntseng jang mongwame.
Lefoko la me la bofelo le mo kgaolong e ke tswang mo go yone rraetsho, this thing ya system is down, e a re tshwenya tota.

Mo bekeng e e neng e tswa e, balemi ba ba mo kgaolong ya me, ke ne ke sa robale ba lela e le gore system is down.

Ba pegile dikgomo in the trolleys, di feditse dibeke di le foo di latlhegelwa ke nama, ba sena se ba se jang le bone, e le gore system e down.

A manual o tlhwaafalelwe fa system e ya kwa tlase.


O dirisiwe gore Batswana ba gololwe, ba bone gore ba tsena ka tsela e e ntseng jang.

Kwa ntle ga foo Modulasetilo, ke ema nokeng Tona.

Ke kopa gore dipalo tse a leke go ya pele a di tshwantshe le madi a re a ntshang re a mo a neela.

Tanki Modulasetilo.

MR MATHOOTHE (SEROWE NORTH): Thank you Modulasetilo.

Mma le nna ke tshwaele mo pegong e re sa tswang go e bewa pele.

Ke pego e e beilweng sentle ka matsetseleko.


Mathata a ke nang le one ke gore ga ke ka ke ka e galaletsa.

Ke tlaa e galaletsa e sena go diragala ka fa e beilweng ka teng.

Dikgang tse fa re di bua malatsi otlhe mo Palamenteng, re nna re bua ka lack of implementation.

Kgang e, re tshwanetse go e tsaya serious re le Mapalamente a lefatshe la Botswana.

Ngwaga le ngwaga, nako le nako, re nna re bua ka lack of implementation.

Ke yone e tlaa felelang e re bolaisitse Batswana.


Ke tsaya gore golo gongwe go tlaare Mapalamente otlhe a kopane… MR MOTSAMAI: Procedure.

Mr Chairperson, ke ne ke re… MR CHAIRPERSON: Just hold your horses and let me read your mind, you are querying that why Honourable Mathoothe is speaking before yourself and Dr Gobotswang.

There is a separate list from Botswana Patriotic Front (BPF) that has been sent to me and my Manager, e e supang gore mo Committee of Supply, ba ya go bua jang.
I have read no evil on that, that is the reason why I am calling upon Honourable Mathoothe to utilise his slot.

MR MOTSAMAI: Le e amogetse leng Mr Chairperson?

MR CHAIRPERSON: Re e amogetse a few days ago.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: A batho ba ga ba mmogo Modulasetilo?

MR CHAIRPERSON: Ba tlhokomologe Ntombo, nna ke tshwere dipampiri tsa bone, ke tsone tse di ntaolang.

MR MATHOOTHE: Thank you Modulasetilo.


MR CHAIRPERSON: Ema pele Motlotlegi Mopalamente wa Serowe Bokone, ga ke a ka ka utlwa Motlotlegi Mopalamente wa Ghanzi South lentswe la bofelo.

O ne o reng sir?

MR MOTSAMAI: Nnyaa, ke ne ke re tswelela Mr Chairperson.

HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)... MR CHAIRPERSON: Ao bagaetsho!

We are on a timed project, Motlotlegi Mopalamente wa Francistown Bophirima, what is your point of procedure?

MR MOSWAANE: Procedure.


Point of procedure ke gore, you got two lists showing same names, why did you not correct before it becomes a mess?

Working relationship e nne teng mo Palamenteng.

Thank you.

MR CHAIRPERSON: Nnyaa, rra, ke lona koo le tshwanetseng le ipaakanye, ga ke ka ke ka baakanya dilo tsa lona.

If the lists are presented before me as the Speaker, it remains my responsibility to call upon the beneficiaries.

MR MATHOOTHE: Thank you Mr Chairperson.

Ke tsaya gore nako ya me o ne o e tshwere.


Kgang e ya lack of implementation e tlhokana le gore nako nngwe Tautona a bitse, Vice President (VP) a bitse, rotlhe Mapalamente re ye go na fa fatshe re bone gore re ka e leka ka tsela e e ntseng jang.

Gongwe ke gone go tlaa tsweledisang gore go nne le bogakolodi from both parties; the ruling party and opposition.
29 Hansard No 205Wednesday 2nd March, 2022ORGANISATION 0500 – MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURAL DEVELOPMENT AND FOOD SECURITYCommittee of Supply Mma ke simolole ka go tshwaela ka animal production, re bona fano e le gore Tona o bua ka mananeo a LIMID a a rekelang batho dipodi jalo.

Mo dikgaolong tsa rona o tlaa fitlhela e le gore batho ga ba a bolo to apply ba ntse ba eme.

Mo diofising ba bolelelwa gore madi a santse a fedile.

Re batla gore a madi a okediwe gore ba ba neng ba ikopetse jalo, ba bone dithuso.
Bontsi jwa batho ba batla go neelwa dipodi tse Goromente a ba thusang ka tsone.

Kgang e nngwe e ke neng ke batla go feta ka yone, e re tsayang gore e mosola thata, ke ya lenaneo la ga Tautona la go tsamaya a abela Batswana diphoko.

Ka fa ke akanyang ka teng, le yone ga re e tsene gone kafa e nne lenaneo le go itsiweng gore le na le budget.

Kamoso e tle e re re le Goromente kana Batswana re batla accountability, re bo re itse gore ke lenaneo.
Re se ka ra iphitlhela e re fa re bua re le Matona, a bo ba tshwantshanya diphoko le abiwa ga diphaphatha.

Ke tsaya gore diphaphatha e ne e le lenaneo la kwa Ipelegeng.

Fa ba Ipelegeng ba theogetse ka nakonyana e e rileng ba fiwa diphaphatha le fona.

E le go leka gore kana gatwe tsie e fofa ka moswang.

Fa re simolola re tshwantshanya dikgang tseo le diphoko, ga go tsamae sentle.
Ke tsaya gore e ne le thulaganyo e e neng e dirilwe gore batho ba Ipelegeng ba neelwe tender eo ya go aba diphaphatha le fona, e e neng e ba thusa kwa malwapeng a bone.

Jaanong letsatsi leno ke kgonne go bona gore ke mang yo o emisitseng diphaphatha le fona e e neng e neelwa batho ba Ipelegeng.

Fa ke fetela kwa… MR CHAIRPERSON: Intshwarele pele Motlotlegi Mopalamente wa Serowe Bokone.

Motlotlegi Mothusa Tona, ke kopa gore o tswalele digoagoe tsa gago.

Mothusa Tona wa mme.


MR MATHOOTHE: Ke batla go feta ka ya milk production.

E rile ka 2020 go ne ga tlhalosiwa jalo gore Serowe Milk Processing Plant ke nngwe ya plants tse e leng gore they will be rehabilitated.

Up to now, ga go na sepe se se dirwang mo nakong ya gompieno.

Ke yone kgang e ke e buang ke re lack of implementation ke yone e e tlaa re bolayang mo lefatsheng la Botswana.
Re ne re bolelelwa jaana maabane gore go santse go ya go dirwa tender e e tlaabong e ntshiwa go sekaseka gore go ka dirwa jang ka that plant.

Fa ke lebelela, ke bona e le gore Ministry of Agriculture o na le capacity ya go sekaseka ka gore re hirile banna ba ba nang le boikarabelo, re hirile doctors kwa ministry oo.

Ga go tlhokafale gore gotwe go ya go dirwa tender ya gore go ye go sekwasekwa gore ke plant e dirwe jang.

Nna fa ke lebelela ke bona e le waste of time and Government funds.
Ke tsaya gore department e na le capacity ya go dira jalo gore madi a a tlaabong a bonwe e bo e le a a yang go itebaganyang le gore fa e le gore go emisetswa plant ele go dirwe jalo.

Ke dumela gore replacement of the plant ke yone the only way e go ka dirwang gore plant ele e tsoge ka pela.

Ka gore fa o reka a fully- fledged plant e ya go tla e na le sengwe le sengwe, e na le warranty e bile gape e na le package ya gore ba ba tlaabong ba e dirisa ba tle ba rutuntshiwe.
Fa o dirile jalo o a bo o fentse mathata.

Fa o tsaya State of the Nation Address (SONA) sa 2020, Tautona o ne a bua jalo gore e ya go baakanngwa.

Kana fa re tsaya nako e telele, go raya gore maikaelelo a ga Tautona jaanong ga a diragale.

Ke nako ya gore Matona jaanong ba tshwanetse ba ema ka dinao ba bona gore dipe tse di dumalanweng di dirwa ka nako gore Batswana ba tle ba thusege.
Gompieno jaana kwa kgaolong ya Serowe Bokone go na le batho ba ba nang le dikgomo tsa mašhi, ba gama mašhi, mme ga ba itse gore ba ka a isa kae.

Fa go ntse jalo, go ka ba thusa thata.

Ke dumela gore kgang e ya gore go diriwe tender fela ya go sekaseka, nnyaa eo nkabo ba ntse ba e boela kwa morago.

Ke supe jaana gore Tona o supile jalo gore ba tlaa reka dikgomo tsa mašhi ba bo ba tla ba di rekisetsa Batswana at a subsidised price.
It is a welcome decision but potso ke gore a kgang e fa e buiwa jaana a e tla a diragala ka fa re batlang ka teng?

Fa ke feta eo, fa o ka lebelela matlalo that were exported mo ngwageng o o neng o feta o ke about 83 000 e e leng gore o bona gore ke palo e ntsi thata.

Fa e le gore go sale go buiwa ka leather park dingwaga tse di kanakana mme matlalo a tswela kwa ntle ga lefatshe, ke kgang ya lack of implementation.

Gompieno gare re lebe dilo ka tsela e nngwe e e farologaneng.
Fa ke feta mo go eo, fa o lebelela ka kgang ya matamo, kgaolo ya me ke nngwe ya dikgaolo tse di nang le matlamo a feta lesome.

Matamo a a sale a kategela bogologolo.

Re sale re kopile jalo gore a katololwe ka gore mangwe a one a kgona go tshwara metsi ngwaga otlhe.

Fa ke feta Mr Chairperson, bakaulengwe ba bangwe ba setse ba buile ka balemise (extension workers) jalo.

Go botlhokwa thata gore kwa masimong a rona re nne le bone.
Ke batla gore kgang e e se ka ya nna kgang ya 30 Hansard No 205Wednesday 2nd March, 2022ORGANISATION 0500 – MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURAL DEVELOPMENT AND FOOD SECURITYCommittee of Supply molomo fela.

E bo e re mo ngwageng o o tlang wa madi re bo re ntse re bua kgang e nngwefela.
Ke gone ka fa ke dumelang ka teng gore dikgang tsa rona e re fa re di bua re bo re di bua gape le ka timeframes tsa gore re ya go dira leng se re setseng re se bua ka gore dinako tse tsotlhe tse re nna re bua ka go diragatsa dikgang tse re di dumalaneng fa mme re bo re sa dire jalo.

Fa o tsaya mohama wa agriculture, ke one mokwatla wa itsholelo ya Batswana.

Ke one mokwatla o Batswana ba ka kgonang gore ba itshetse ka go rua, temo le tsotlhe tse di amanang le temo.
Fa re ka diragatsa gone moo… matlho a rona a tlaabo a lebile kwa go Minister Gare le Assistant Minister Rre Molebatsi.

Re tlaabo re lebile gone koo.

Ya bofelo e ke tlaabong ke wela mo go yone, go na le kgang ya gore ba Office of the President (OP) ba ne ba reka polase ya Tautona Lodge e go buegang gore ke e e itebagantseng le tsa research.

Ke bua jaana ka gore Tona o tlhalositse jalo, a ama kgang tsa research.
A ene o a itse ka kgang eo gore fa e le gore ba mo reketse polase eo o ipaakantse go le kae gore o ka e dirisa ka tsela e e ntseng jang?

Le gone fa e le gore ga a amege o tlaa tla a araba.

Fa a sa itse o tlaa tla a re bolelela gone fa.

Tumelo ya me ke gore dipolase tse di teng mo nakong ya gompieno di ne di siametse gore fa e le gore ba batla go oketsa kgang ya bone ya research, go ne go siame thata gore ba ka bo ba ne ba dirisitse tse di teng.
Fa e le gore gape ke polase e e beetsweng jalo gore motse wa Ghanzi o golele teng, ba ba amanang le ministry oo, ke tsaya gore e tlaa re ka nako ya bone ba tle ba fete ka yone ka gore ga re batle gore e re re ya kwa bathong e bo e le gore o kare re diteme pedi.

Ga re go tlhamalale, go papamale fela gore naare e reketswe eng?

Le fa e rekilwe jaana, a ene o ne a e batlile mo go bone gore ba mo e rekele?

Ke re ka one mafoko ao Mr Chairperson, ke a leboga.

MR CHAIRPERSON: Thank you Honourable Mathoothe.


Thank you sir.

Honourable Johane Luther Tine Thiite, Rraagwe Kuache.

Honourable Thiite for Ghanzi North.

MR KABLAY: Shamukuni is travelling from Dar es Salaam sir.

MR CHAIRPERSON: Thank you very much my leader.

Re tlaa bitsa rraarona Motlotlegi Rraetsho Moeteledipele wa Ntlo e, e bile e le ene Motlotlegi Rraetsho Mothusa Tautona wa lefatshe leno.

Your Honour the VP.

HIS HONOUR THE VICE PRESIDENT (MR TSOGWANE): Mma ke go leboge Mr Chairperson.
Ke tseye metsotso e e seng kae e, ke leboge Tona go bo a rotse pego ya gagwe ka botlalo e bile e le pego e e re neelang tsholofelo, re itse botlhakwa jwa temothuo mo lefatsheng ka bophara, e seng fela mo lefatsheng la rona la Botswana.

Ke tseye sebaka se Mr Chairperson jaaka dibui tse di sa tswang go bua di supile botlhokwa jwa temothuo e bile ba supile thata tse di tlhaelang mo go yone, thatathata bodiredi jaaka re itse gore bodiredi jwa temothuo bo botlhokwa thata kwa dikgaolong.
Ke bo ke supe gore temothuo ke yone mmammane fa re bua ka go tlhabolola matshelo a batho kwa dikgaolong.

Rona re le mo thulaganyong e ya rural development e e eteletsweng kwa pele ke ba Rural Development Council, temothuo e tla pele fa re bua ka go tokafatsa matshelo a batho kwa dikgaolong le gore batho ba se ka ba tswa kwa dikgaolong ba tshologela kwa ditoropong, mo re go bitsang the pull and push factors mo itsholelong.

Ba solofetse tse di molemo tsa go itlhabolola le go itshetsa kwa ditoropong.
Batho ba ba kwa dikgaolong Mr Chairperson ke dinatla.

Ke batho ba ba itshetsang ka go dira ka diatla.

Barui ba sale ba ipelegile ka lobaka le le leele.

Ba epela dikgomo le dipodi tsa bone didiba.

Puso e ba thusa ka go ba kentela le go ba tlhokomelela malwetse a leruo.

Ba a iteka.

Jaanong gone mo fela ka bogone, go a supa barui ke batho ba ba dinatla.

Gape mo dikanokong tsa economics ke batho ba ba ka bolokang madi go nale batho ba e leng babereki kgotsa ba bona madi ka mehama e mengwe ya itsholelo.
MR KABLAY: O ne are he is travelling go tswa South Africa.

Ga ke itse gore a o setse a gorogile sir.

Ke re fa a seyo a re mo tlole re tsenye Honourable Vice President (VP).

Barui are the best savers, ba ba kgonang gore ba boloke madi, ba itse gore kana kgomo ga o ka ke wa rekisa letsatsi le letsatsi.

Leruo ga o ka ke wa le rekisa letsatsi le letsatsi.

MR CHAIRPERSON: Re tlaa mo tlola my leader.

Fa pele ga ga Motlotlegi Rraetsho Mothusa Tautona, go na le Motlotlegi Mopalamente wa kwa Chobe.
Rraagwe Kingsley, Honourable Shamukuni.

Mr Chairperson, ke kope Tona gore kana lephata le la gago le le ikaegile ka maphata a mabedi a a bothokwa; le ikaegile ka Lephata le la Environment, Natural Resources Conservation and Tourism, le ka 31 Hansard No 205Wednesday 2nd March, 2022ORGANISATION 0500 – MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURAL DEVELOPMENT AND FOOD SECURITYCommittee of Supply Land Management, Water and Sanitation Services.
Ke maphata a botlhokwa, a a tlhokanang le gore ba dirisanye thata le Lephata le la Agriculture, ka gore, gore o rue, ba ba ruang mo mafelong a a tshwanang le a rona a bo Boteti, go tshwanetse gore go bo go sena kgotlhang fa gare ga diphologolo le batho.

Ke sone se ke reng, maphata a mabedi a ke one a ka tsosolosang, a bo a tsholetsa temothuo ka tirisanyo mmogo.
Ke kope Tona gore a nonotshe tirisayo mmogo le maphata one a. Mr Chairperson, ke itlhaganele ke supe jalo gore, Puso e sale e tswa kgakala le temothuo, ga se itsholelo e e tswang fano, le pele ga boipuso, le morago ga boipuso ga re aka ra diga temothuo.

E ne ya fetwa ke meepo le tse dingwe fela ka gore di ne di tsenya madi a mantsi, mme yone e tsweletse ka go tlhabologa.

Re kgonne jaana Mr Chairperson ka gore, re ne re kgona go laola malwetse a dikgomo go megane.
Se ke se kopang mo go Tona gore a tswelele a se dira, diterata tse dintsi tse di tletseng mo lefatsheng le tsa cordon fences, malwetse a dikgomo especially Foot and Mouth, tse di botlhokwa tse a bonang gore di santse di le molemo a di tsosolose.

Terata e tshwana le ya bo Makalamabedi Foot and Mouth cordon fence e botlhokwa thata, e e re kgaoganyang le Kgaolo ya Ngami le ya Okavango jalo.
Ke re diterata tsone tse, a bo a bue gape le ba ba bangwe jaaka ke re batshwaraganye le ba tourism jaana, le bone ba lebe buffalo fences tsa bone, ba bone gore a mme ga ba ka ke ba di tlhokomela go thusa ba leruo, le bone batle ba atlege mo tirong ya bone.

Mr Chairperson, banana ba tlhoka lefatshe, Tona a eme ka dinao, a dikwarantini tse di sa tlholeng di le mo tirisong jaaka tsa bo Orapa le Mmatshumo a bone gore o dira jang ka tsone.
A thuse banana ka lefatshe leo, ka gore ga di sa tlhole di le mo tirisong, direterata tsa teng ga di sa tlhole di bereka, go raya gore naga eo jaanong ke naga e nngwe fela.

Banana ba ka thusiwa ka dikwarantini tse di ntseng jalo, ba tsena ka syndicates, ba kgona gore ba rue a small stock e re buang ka ga yone, ba rue dikgomo.

Ba lekile, ba ne ba dira jalo ka terata ele ya Makoba, ba thusa banana, barui ka go ba neela dipolase mo go yone.
Ke selo se se molemo, mme a ba lebelele e ya Orapa, ga e bereke le faele sepe, e dingwaganwaga.

Ya Mmatshumo go na le banana ba ba ntseng ba lela, Tona o a ba itse bangwe ba bone, they apply ba kopa gore ba dirise lefelo leo, mme ke tsaya gore Tona o tlaa ba araba, o tlaa ba thusa.

Kgang e nngwe e botlhokwa Mr Chairperson ke ya go tlhabololola leruo.

Re tlhabolola leruo jaana ga re madi a go reka dipoo tse di turang, re beile thata mo Pusong gore e re thuse ka kgodiso ka diatla.
Kgodiso ka diatla e, re a itse gore thulaganyo ya Puso e Tona a e tshwanetseng a lebelela gape, a e sekaseka, ke e re kileng ra nna le mogopolo wa yone, ya gore gongwe go nne le mobile Artificial Insemination.

Batho ba latelwe ka meroto ya dipoo ba ye go thusiwa ka kgodiso ya diatla mo dipolaseng tsa bone mo mafelong a a ageletsweng.

Golo moo go ka thusa balemi fela thata go ba fokoletsa ditshenyegelo tsa go latelela Artificial Insemination (AI) kwa kgakalakgala.
Le tsone di AI malatsi a di sena tlhokomelo e kalokalo.

So Artificial Insemination that is mobile a e rotloetse thata.

Ke dingwe tsa dilo tse ke neng ke re le tsone a tle a di lebele.

Ke bo ke kope Tona ke santse ke le gone foo, ke supe jalo gore mafelo a mangwe a kgakala le mebaraka kana slaughters.

Banana ba ne ba kgatlhegetse go rua dikolobe kwa bo Maun, Boteti, le Okavango, mme slaughter sa dikolobe re utlwa fela gotwe se bona kwa Francistown.
Jaanong gone moo fela Tona go tshwanetse gore le wena o bone gore o ka leka ka tsela e ntseng jang, wa thusa batho ba gore le bone ba tle ba tsene mo thuong ya dikolobe, ka gore e bogadi bo gaufi, e bile e na le mmaraka o montsi.

Jaanong fa ba ka thusiwa ka to develop slaughters tse dingwe kana ba ba ikemetseng ba rotloediwe le Dikhansele tota ka bo tsone gongwe di tlhabolole matlhabelo a dikolobe go ka thusa.
Tona ke a go leboga gore o bo o eme ka dinao le Tautona le batlile mmaraka wa leruo le le sesane, kana leruo la rona le ntse le sa ate, le sena tlhokomelo, mme ele diji tse di tshesane bo phokojwe le phiri jalo.

Ke solofela gore o tlaa ema ka dinao ka mmaraka o wa kwa Saudi Arabia, gore e tle e nne mmaraka wa tlhwatlhwa, o o ka thusang Batswana.

O emele ka dinao abattoir e ya small stock kwa Francistown, e tle e thuse Batswana gore ba tle ba rue, ba tsene thata mo leruong le le botlana le.
Go ka re thusa, go tlhabolola matshelo a batho.

Go ka tlhamela Batswana ditiro.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification.

MR TSOGWANE: Ke nngwe ya tse ke neng ke batla gore o di lebelele.

Ke lebelele gape le kwa Kgalagadi kwa ke lebelele Lobu.

Lobu must go back to its glory days, e tsosolosiwe jaaka o ntse o e tsosolosa.

Kana e kile ya tsolosiwa ke Tautona Lobu ba ba sa itseng.

A e tsosolosa a le Mothusa Tautona a eme ka dinao, e le gore sengwe le sengwe se ne se phutlhame pele.
Jaanong a Lobu e emelwe ka dinao, re nne le bo Lobunyana jaaka re na le kwa Setata, bo Orapa jaana, re bone bo Lobunyana ba bangwe ba runya gore... 32 Hansard No 205Wednesday 2nd March, 2022ORGANISATION 0500 – MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURAL DEVELOPMENT AND FOOD SECURITYCommittee of Supply HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification VP fa o ka bona nako.

MR TSOGWANE: Motsamai o ne a kopile clarification, mme ga ke na motsotso.

O tla a ipotsa a bo a ikaraba.

Tsaya Motsamai.

MR MOTSAMAI: Point of clarification.


Ke ne ke re o baakanye o se ka wa re abattoir kwa Ghanzi South, ka gore ga go na project eo e e tlhagileng, ke Kgalagadi South.

MR TSOGWANE: Oh!

Kgalagadi South, tanki.

A ne a le kalo fela ke latlhela la mmotlana.

Ke a leboga Mr Chairperson.

MR CHAIRPERSON: Thank you your Honour, thank you our Acting President.

Thank you sir.
Thank you sir.

You are going to be followed by the Honourable responsible for Minister of Transport and Communications, Honourable Thulagano Segokgo, Motlotlegi Mopalamente wa Tlokweng.

Rraagwe Tsholo.

...Silence...

MR CHAIRPERSON: Go tlaa bua Motlotlegi Mopalamente wa Takatokwane, rraagwe Kopano latlha phone eo ke go neetse slot.

Honourable Leuwe.

MR LEUWE (TAKATOKWANE): Ke a leboga Rraagwe Nkamo.

Ke a leboga rraetsho, mma le nna ke amogele pego kana kopo ya ga Tona ya madi a lephata la temothuo.
Le le leng gaufi thata le pelo ya me, ka gore tota fela kwa kgaolong ya me botshelo jwa rona bo squarely mo temong le thuo fela, kwa ntleng ga sepe gape.

Jaanong fa go buiwa ka temothuo ke gone ke reetsang thata, ke bo ke batla go utlwa gore a mme ba Kgaolo ya Takatokwane go na le sengwe se ba tlaa se jang mo teng, Batswana ba e tle ba re go ja sengwe.
Fa ke ntse ke reeditse Tona o lebega go ne go ka jega, go lebega go ne go ka jega, letshogo la me ke implementation jaaka honourable mongwe a sa tswa go bua gore, tota fa re ne re ka dira implementation ke dumela gore le ne le ka solegela batho ba le bantsi molemo, bogolo jang mo Kgaolong ya Takatokwane.

E bile le ne le tlaa fokotsa le rural migration to urban areas, ka gore ke santse ke na le tumelo e ntsi ya gore temothuo e ka re duela, e ka re hirela batho.
Se ke se belaelang ke gore ga re e dire sentle ka gore fa re ka e dira sentle, e ka re hirela batho ka kwa Lephateng la Temo le Thuo jaaka bangwe ba a tle ba tlhalose gore kgomo kana o ka dira dilo di le dintsi thata ka yone.

O ka dira polishes, brushes le tse dingwe, mme le go e ja o e ja.

O ka e e ja e tshela, wa nwa mashi, wa hira batho la gama mashi, le a rekisa a le busetsa.

Jaanong lesokolela la me fela le letonatona thata Modulasetilo, ke implementation.
E bile se sengwe se ke eletsang gore gongwe re se lebelele sentle mo kgannyeng ya temothuo ke go boela fa moragonyana re lebelela gore tota ka maloba fale go ne go na le mme le rre ba e leng ga ba bereke, ba beile mo temo le thuo mme botshelo jwa bone bo phatsima fela thata e bile ba kgona go tla go re dira se re leng sone ntateng ya temo le thuo.

Mo go rayang gore ba ne ba e dira sentle ka kemonokeng ya Puso ka gore nako ya teng re ne re nna le molemisi motse mongwe le mongwe.
Motse mongwe le mongwe re ne re nna le mokenti yo o rutang ba leruo gore, gore le nne le go go busetsang, o tshwanetse go dira eng le eng, go bo go raya gore botsadi bo dira jalo, leruo le bo le ba busetsa ba re tsenya dikole.

Re tsene dikole ka leruo mme mo bogompienong o kare leruo ka gore jaanong e bile ke tsaya gore le rekwa ka madi a magolwane, ga le re solegele molemo ka gore dithuto tseo di nyeletse.
Se sengwe se se utlwisang botlhoko le go feta ke gone gore e tlaa re fa o tshwanetse gore jaanong leruo le o ithuse ka lone, bogolo jang o le mo kgaolong ya ga Leuwe ya Takatokwane, sengwe le sengwe is centralised mme o tshwanelwa ke gore o ye Molepolole.

Fa o sa ye Molepolole o ye Gaborone go reka malengana le go shaafatsa setlankana sa tshipi.

Tota kana mme temo le thuo di kwa dikgaolong, mo ke dumelang gore ofisi ya temothuo e tshwanetse go ganelela thata kwa dikgaolong go na le kwa ditoropong.
Jaanong re tshwanelwa ke gore dilo tse fa re di dira, o ye kwa toropong gore o tle o kgone go dira se o eletsang go se dira.

Gompieno fela fa ke bua le wena jaana Tona, gongwe o tsibogele dikgang tseo, le go bala masimo, mebidi e setse e belesa mme ga go ise go balwe ntateng ya shortage ya balemisi mo kgaolong.

Mo o tla fitlhelang molemisi a le nosi a neetswe metse e le five gotwe yotlhe e lebagane le ene mme a sena le yone transport tota.
Ke a itse Tona e bile o mongwe wa Matona a e leng gore fa go lelediwa kwa ofising ya gago o a tsiboga thata.

Go dikgang tse dintsi thata tse go neng go na le diemo kwa kgaolong ya me ya Takatokwane, kwa metseng ya bo Sesung, Metsibotlhoko le Ditshegwane mme e re ke go leletsa, o bo o tsibogela seemo ntateng ya ka fa go nang le letlhoko la bodirelapuso jwa lephata la gago ka teng.
Gone mo go ne go tshwanetse gore go supe gore 33 Hansard No 205Wednesday 2nd March, 2022ORGANISATION 0500 – MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURAL DEVELOPMENT AND FOOD SECURITYCommittee of Supply tota re tlhoka balemisi le bakenti kwa dikgaolong.

Batho ba teng ba ba rutetsweng tiro e ba mo mekgwatlheng.

E bile fa re ne re ka ba tsaya ra ba isa kwa dikgaolong, re ne re tlaa tswala borders re na le dijo tsotlhe tse re ka di tlhokang.
Fa re bula borders, re di bula re ntsha dijo re ya go rekisa le rona, e seng re di bula re di tsenya.

Ke kopa gore golo fa go tsibogelwe le go elwa tlhoko thata ka gore le bone mo gongwe balemisi fa o tshwanetse gore o mo tseye ka koloi ya gago, o nna le bothata jwa gore a a palame a tsamae, a kamoso dikgang ga di nke di nne dintsi ka yone.

Ke kopa gore balemisi ba thusiwe thata kwa dikgaolong fa ke dumalana le kopo e ya gago, go lebelelwe seemo seo thata, bogolo jang mo Kgaolong ya Takatokwane.
Gone mo Kgaolong ya Takatokwane re na le batho ba ba itekang ba le bantsi thata.

Ke na le setlhopha sa bomme kwa Kgaolong ya Motokwe ba ke neng ke tsaya gore ba ne ba tsibogela kopo ya ga Motlotlegi Tautona e a neng a supa gore o re bonetse market o o kwa godimo thata kwa mafatsheng.

Ba ikgobokantse ba bone polase ba foo, ba phuthile dipodi le tse dingwe mme ga le ise le bo le ye go gata teng le le ba temothuo go ba rotloetsa, go ba fa maele le gore ba ka dira jang.
Ke bomme fela ba ba matlhagatlhaga ba ke kopang gore ofisi ya gago e ba etele go bona gore tota how best can you assist those people gore le bone ba ye go lwantsha market o Tautona a o re bonetseng.

Fa o tsamaya kwa bo Khudumelapye, go na le ditlhopha tse di eletsang gore di ithulaganye di nne clusters ka gore ga gona molemisi gone koo.
Ba nna le bothata jwa gore ke mang yo o ba thusang ka dikgang tse dintsintsi tse, tse ba ka kgonang go dira clusters tsone tseo ka gore Goromente o thusa sentle thata, bogolo jang fa e le clusters kana le le baikopanyi.

Ke ne ke utlwa Tona o bua ka madi gore ga a tsewe; ga ke itse gore a ke one a horticulture mme ke bona o kare go na le sekgoreletsi ka gore fa o tsaya sekai, gongwe motho a kgonne go tlhabolola lefelo la gagwe, a phuntse sediba, a dirile nets, a tlhakgisitse le metsi.
Fa a ya kwa go lona a re o ya go kopa gore a fiwe madi ao gore jaanong a ye go dikolosa maotwana business e tsamae, e nna kgang ya gore ga a ka ke a nna le seabe go bona that money in kind mme a dirisitse madi fela a mantsi gore a tle go tsena mo stage sone seo.

Gongwe se ke sengwe sa dilo tse di dirang gore batho ba se ka ba kgona gore ba ye go tsaya madi ao ka gore mo gongwe fa go buiwa fela ka molomo fela jaana, ke sengwe fela se se motlhofo se o ka kgonang gore o se fitlhelele.
Fa go tla gore jaanong o sale thulaganyo ya teng morago o batle go itse gore tota madi a gatwe ke ka a bona jang, e nna kgang e sele, o ya go utlwa ditlhaloso di sele mme kwa o utlule ditlhaloso di sele.

Jaaka ke baya sekai ka yo ke buang ka ene gore o tlhabolotse golo foo, o tlhaela fela ka madi a gore gongwe jaanong a tsamaise.
Jaanong gatwe go batliwa gore e re fa a ya go kopa madi ao, a bo a tla ka cash, e seng a tla ka dilo tse a di dirileng ka cash yone eo, mo go a tleng gotwe gongwe you subscribe in kind.

Ke eletsa go ipona le rona mo kgaolong ya rona kwa Takatokwane jaaka re na le bo BAMB kwa motseng wa Takatokwane, at least le kamoso le bo malengana a re a bone a rekisiwa gone koo.

Go nna motlhofo le cheap mo farmers ka gore ga ba tsamae distance e telele e bile ga ba dirise resources tse dintsi.
E bile le yone kgang e ya malengana, mo gongwe o fitlhela o laelwa fela gore o tlaa ya go a tsenya on computer, kamoso fa gotwe a tshwanetse gore a tsene, ga a tsene e le ntateng ya network.

Fa o re o ya go rekisa kgomo, o ya go nna le seemo.

Maloba ke feditse beke ke na le seemo ke lelediwa ke balemi-barui ba tshotse dikgomo e le gore gatwe the network is down, jaanong ga go kgonege gore ba ye go rekisa.
Rona ka Setswana gantsi fa o ya go rekisa, o a bo o ya go rekisa go na le sengwe se se go patikileng tota.

Jaanong fa e le gore network is down mme e bile go se mo maruding a farmer, go bo go feleletsa go mo sokodisa.

Ke eletsa gore gongwe seemo seo se tsibogelwe sentle thata ka bonako jo bo kgonafalang ka gore mo kgaolong ya rona network eo e a tshwenya, farmers di tshwaragane le bothata.

Le gompieno ke ne ke amogela mogala go supagala gore network e e ntse ga eo.
Fa go na le thulaganyo nngwe e e ka dirwang jaaka ke itse gore maloba fa moragonyana fale re ne re kgona go dira thulaganyo ya gore gotwe ba dire ka system e kgologolo ya manual, a go boelwe kwa manual fa network e seo gore Batswana ba tle ba bone thuso e ba e eletsang, go na le gore ba sotlwe ke network e bone ba sa itseng gore ba ka e bona kwa kae batho ba Kgaolo ya Takatokwane.

Ka mafoko a ka gore nako ya me ke e go lebega e bile e kgaritlhegile, ke supe gore ke amogela kopo ya gago.
Ke kopa gore a jaaka ke e amogela jaana, a le nna ke ye go nna le serwenyana kwa Kgaolong ya Takatokwane, re bone re welwa ke matlhotlhora le rona a cake e. Ke santse ke ngongorela cakes tse gore ga di wele sentle; matlhotlhora a tsone ga a wele kwa Takatokwane.

Ke a leboga Modulasetilo.

MR CHAIRPERSON: Thank you Honourable Leuwe.

O batla gore Tona a go jese sengwenyana, ke a go utlwa, a go jese matlhotlhoranyana.
Motlotlegi Mopalamente wa Ghanzi South, Honourable Motsamai Jelson Gabantema Motsamai; Rraagwe Tsogo.

34 Hansard No 205Wednesday 2nd March, 2022ORGANISATION 0500 – MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURAL DEVELOPMENT AND FOOD SECURITYCommittee of Supply MR MOTSAMAI (GHANZI SOUTH): Mr Chairperson, ke a leboga.

Mma pele Mr Chairperson, ke simolole fela pele ka gore lephata le ke le eme nokeng ka sengwe le sengwe se ke ka se kgonang.
Ke papamale ka gore le ene moeteledipele wa lone ke motho yo gantsi fa o mo neela dikgang o a tsiboga, Rre Gare.

O a tsiboga, go pale se se palang mme go supege gore o ne a batla go go thusa.

Ga ke na go bua ka ba bangwe mme ke tlaa bua ka bone fa ke fitlha kwa go bone.

Ke tlaa tlola noka ke le fa go yone.

Mr Chairperson, ke bo ke tsena ka bonako, nako e tsile Motlotlegi Gare gore le busetse mo gotweng ke bull subsidy, le leke go thusa farmers go reka dipoo, le ba latlhelele madinyana a go reka dipoo.
Madi ao gongwe le ka botsa gore a ya go bonwa kae.

Kana go na le madi a ke tlholang ke ngongorega ka one a 4 per cent levy a a duedisiwang farmers, ga ke itse gore ke kwa Gantsi South fela.

Fa ba rekisa dikgomo tsa bone gore ma4 per cent a a duedisiwa, ga go itsiwe le gore madi ao a isiwa kae.

Boemong jwa gore gongwe re bo re nna le lenaneo le Tautona a reng jaanong o oketsa kgang ya diphoko ka dipoo a e nne lenaneo la ga Goromente gore a introduce lenaneo la bull subsidy.
Mr Chairperson, ke bo ke re Motlotlegi Gare jaaka bangwe Mopalamente a buile, kopana le bo Ministers ba bangwe who deal ka tsa lefatshe gore lefatshe le tswe ka bonako, batho ba thusege go ntsha tse ba ka di ntshang mo lefatsheng go jesa setšhaba ka gore le a bona gore mpuri o faretswe, mme Batswana ba tlhoka dijo.
Mr Chairperson, go na le kgang e ke batlang gore Goromente le yone a e consider gore bogolo ka gore farmers ba a iteka, bogolo jang baruakgomo ba iteka kgapetsakgapetsa, a ba direlwe mo gotweng ke medical aid wa badisa ba ba disetsang farmers, e le nngwe tsela ya go ba ngoka le go ba kganela go siela kwa drought, gore ba bone gore totatota farming go buiwa ka selo se go tlhoafetsweng e bile o setse o direlwa le medical aid, gore fa modisa a lwala, a bo a ka kgona gore a ye go tsenelela bongaka jwa tlhwatlhwa e seng mo gotweng farmer o tlaa ipona.
Ke fete ka bonako Mr Chairperson, ke kopa gore o re buelele le CEDA ba thuse farmers, ba se ka ba tswelela ka dikgang tse ba tsweletseng ka tsone, tsa go sa boleleleng lefatshe boammaaruri, gore farmers le fa ba sa tle ka securities tsa matlo le tsa eng, ba emisitse golo moo, ba tsweletse kwa Kgaolong ya Gantsi South.
Batho ba batliwa securities tse di gakgamatsang, batho go fetolwa mananeo a bone a go thusiwa letsatsi le letsatsi, ba setse ba lekile gore dilo tse di neng di batliwa mo go bone, ba di provide go bo go fetolwa.

A farmers ba thusiwe ba ba nang le didiba, ba ba tlang ka tittle deeds go lebilwe gore totatota motho yo o tsene ka bo Local Enterprise Authority (LEA), a dira sengwe le sengwe se se neng se tlhokiwa.
E se ka ya re last minute, go bo gotwe nnyaa, ga go na phulo, a bo a tswa a re o ya go kopa go sele, nnyaa kana ga re tshephe gore mong wa sediba o tlaabo a go keep lebaka le le leele.

Dilo tse di a tshwenya.

Mr Chairperson, ke bo ke bua le ka kgang ya infrastructure ya ditsela, phones le mafaratlhatlha.

Fa o tsaya kgaolo e tshwana le Gantsi South, o tsaya lefelo le tshwana le Chobokwane, o ya kwa dipolaseng tsa Bokogwana, ga go na le fa e le tsela.
Ga go na gore farmers ba ka tlhabologa jang go sena ditsela tse di yang kwa dipolaseng, tse di fetang ka meraka e mentsi gore ba ise ditlamelo.

Go tsaya le go isa ditlamelo go tlhoka ditsela, ga go na gore farmers ba ka tlhabologa go sena phones, ditlhaeletsano le radios.
Mananeo a a farologaneng Motlotlegi Gare, batho ba a utlwa fela ba ba nang le radios le ditlhaeletsano, ba a utlwa ka bonako, ba tseye mananeo, mme fa e le ba dikgaolo tsa me, ba ba kwa tengteng thata, ba tlhaelwa ke mananeo ka lebaka la ditsela, radios le phones Mr Chairperson.

Selo se se tlhoka gore se tsibogelwe, go baakangwe ditsela tsa Okwagwana, ditsela tsa Makunda- New Xanagas, Gantsi, Xade East le West Hanahai.
Mr Chairperson, tsela e tona ya Metsimantsho go ya go tsena kwa Lokalane, e le tsela e boraditeraka ba ba tsayang dikgomo, ba ka e dirisa bonolo le batho ba ba tsayang material mo Gaborone, ba ka e dirisa ba kgabaganya ka yone, le bone ba ba yang kwa Namibia, it is the shortest route.

A go bonwe gore go ka thusiwa jang batho ba.


Mr Chairperson, ntshang officers tsa maemo a magolwane ba ba ka thusang kwa dikgaolong, ba ye kwa dikgaolong, ntshang dingaka mo toropong, ba alafa eng mo diofising ka gore bolwetse bo kwa masakeng, dipolaseng le kwa merakeng?

Ntshang dingaka, phatlalatsang dingaka mo Gaborone, ba tsamaye ba atumele fa ba ka thusetsang batho mo centres teng Mr Chairperson.

Le boralephalo ba iseng kwa ba ka thusang batho teng.
Gompieno poo ya gago fa e lwala, ga go na gore o ka thusiwa jang, o fitlhela e le gore, gore o bone ngaka e e ka operate poo, ke gore o travel go tswa gongwe go tsamaya 400 kilometres (km), o tswa kwa kae o ya go felela kwa Gantsi, o tswa kwa Metsimantsho o ya kwa Gantsi.

Golo mo go busetsa maduo a farming morago.

35 Hansard No 205Wednesday 2nd March, 2022ORGANISATION 0500 – MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURAL DEVELOPMENT AND FOOD SECURITYCommittee of Supply MR MOSWAANE: Clarification Mr Chairperson.
Ke ne ke re o e tshwere sentle mokaulengwe.

Ka bonako ke re, a mme ga o a utlwalela gore ka 2021 financial year, madi a bull levy a ne a bona letsogo le kobong, a nyelela ka tsela nngwe fela e e leng gore ga e ka ke ya tlhalosega?

A o a itse gape gore ka 2020/2021, re ne ra ntsha P100 million wa dipodi tse e leng gore le nako ya gompieno, ga re di bone, LIMID e na le backlog ya four years?

MR MOTSAMAI: Ke go utlwile mokaulengwe.


Ke tsone dilo tse ke reng Motlotlegi Gare a ntshe matlho thata, a bone gore dilo tse ga di boe gape di bowa seboaboane.

Dilo tse gape di salwe morago, re se ka ra nna re le lefatshe la history fela ya gore nnyaa, madi a nyeletse, ga go na le fa e le dikgato dipe tse di tsewang.

Mr Chairperson, ke ne ke re Goromente fa a tlhaelelwa ke bakenti, go na le babereki ba bogologolo, ba ba neng ba kenta, ba thusa le go tlhatlhoba.
Le tsone dingaka, fela jaaka Goromente gompieno jaana, a kgona gore molwetse a mo ntshe kwa Marina, a mo ise kwa Bokamoso kana Gaborone Private Hospital (GPH).

A go dirisiwe dingaka tse di ikemetseng ka nosi go thusa farmers bothata jo ba bo tshwereng.

Ga ke ka ke ka ema go bua ke ise ke bue ka bogodu jwa leruo, gore tshwaraganang Motlotlegi Gare le Minister wa sepodisi kana wa tsa itshireletso, go bonwe gore farmers ba sirelediwa ka tsela e e ntseng jang.
Ke bo ke leboge Chief Justice rraetsho, gore mo speech sa gagwe, o buile a papametse gore go ya go nna le maakanya a gore go agiwe court kwa motseng wa Charles Hill gore e atumele batho, e re dikgang di tsena bogolo jang tsa dikgomo jaana, go sekiwe ka bonako, dilalome di kgone go bonwa molato ka nako.
Mr Chairperson, go na le dipolase tse di filweng ba sepodisi, sala dikgang tse morago Motlotlegi Gare ka gore o ba file accommodation mo Artificial Insemination centres gore ba beye dikgomo tsa bogodu kana dikgomo tse go belaelwang e le tsa bogodu.

Ba saleng morago, ba develop kwa ba leng teng, o kgone gore AI centres tsa gago, di play role e di e diretsweng le service centres tse di kwa Xanagas.

morago gore ke leboge rraetsho maiteko a le a dirileng.
Ba Ramotswa le tlaa intshwarela, ke kile ka bolawa ke monang kwa kgaolong eo.

Ke a leboga.

MR CHAIRPERSON: O go lomile sentle monang wa Ramotswa, Motlotlegi Mopalamente wa Ghanzi South.

...(Laughter!

)...Thank you sir.


MINISTER OF TERTIARY EDUCATION, RESEARCH, SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY (DR LETSHOLATHEBE): Ke a leboga thata malome go bo o mphile tshono e le nna gore ke kgone go akgela mo pegong e re e beilweng pele ke Tona ya Agriculture, Tona Gare, e ke tsayang gore e nonofile thata, e bile e tlisa tshepho.

Le rona ba re leng basha mo go tsa temothuo, ke utlwile ke kgothala.
Tswelela fela jalo, it shows that go na le some paradigm shift, gore o batla go tokafatsa go yeng kwa pele dikgang tsa temothuo.

Ke taboge ka tsone Tona, di dintsi tse dintle tse o di buileng.

Ka nako e se ntsi, ke tlaa remelela mo go tse ke tsayang gore fa o ka di lebelela, re ka tokafala go ya kwa pele Tona.

Mr Chairperson, kgang ya cattle export, e nngwe e Tona a neng a bona gore a tseye tshwetso eo, ka BMC e na le bothata, a bona gore a thuse balemi-barui ba kgone gore ba ise dikgomo kwa ntle.
Ke sengwe se se re thusitseng thata, segolobogolo kwa kgaolong ya rona kwa re neng re dirisa BMC ya kwa Francistown, ka e ne e santse e tswetswe, go ne ga re thusa fela thata.

Ke kope ba e leng barui gore, a re direng jalo re sala molao morago.

Fa re ka nna re ntsha kgomo nngwe le nngwe, re ka felelwa ke se re ka tswelelang re ka tokafatsa leruo la rona ka teng.

Melawana e teng e go ntshiwang dikgomo tse di ntseng jang, ke ba rotloetse.
Le Batswana ke ba rotloetse gore let us come on board go dira co-operatives, re kgone gore re ikgobokanye, re ikisetse dikgomo kwa madi a leng teng, e se ka ya nna e nna ba ba few-nyana fela ba ba tsayang dikgomo tsa rona, ba ya go di rekisa ka madi a a kwa godimo.

Ke sengwe se Tona ke se go lebogetseng gore o bo o se dirile.

Le rona kwa Tati East re semeletse, re batla go tsenelela mo dikgannyeng tse re tokafatse leruo la rona.
Ke bo ke go akgole gape Motlotlegi Gare gore kana AI centre ya Ncojane, ga e a bolo go wela, e ne e na le lebaka le le ka fetang 10 years e sa bereke.

Ke ne ka nna fela fa tsebeng ya gago jaaka monang wa Ramotswa, ke lelela mo go wena gore a AI e, go epiwa sediba se sesha.
Ke bua jaana fa sediba se epilwe, mme e bile Goromente a dirisitse P5 million, e le kgang e ke sa ntseng ke e setse Sengwe se ke se lemogileng le Batswana ba bua ka ga sone ke gore, palo ya dikgomo tsa rona mo lefatsheng la rona e ile kwa tlase, mme se se intumedisang ke gore ke kgang ya quality versus quantity.

Leruo le re le ntshang malatsi a, ke la maemo e e kwa godimo.

A dipatlisiso di tswelele di dirwe, re bone gore re ka tokafatsa leruo la rona jang.
36 Hansard No 205Wednesday 2nd March, 2022ORGANISATION 0500 – MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURAL DEVELOPMENT AND FOOD SECURITYCommittee of Supply Dikgang tsa farms kwa Tati East tse di rekilweng ke Puso, they should be paddocked di neelwe Batswana.

Go na le farms di tshwana le tsa bo …(Inaudible)… e e bapileng le kwa Matshelagabedi.

E sale gotwe e fiwa agriculture, e ntse fela foo Tona, re e neele re e dirise.

We cannot wait to start le rona re kgone gore re ntshe dikgomo tse e leng tsa madi a a kwa godimo.
Mr Chairperson, bodiredi jwa agriculture bo leka fela thata, ka ke bone ba berekelang kwa dikgaolong le Batswana.

Le rona kwa Tati East fa re buisana le Batswana ba re neela dingongora, mme ra se ka ra emela wena fela, ra buisana le bone.

Bo ...(Inaudible)… bo Rre Maphosa le ba bangwe, ba re solofetsa gore ba tlaa tswelela ba thusa Batswana, mme ba ne ba ntsha dingongora tse di dirang gore go nne bokete go ka thusa Batswana sentle.
Ke di tlisitse kwa ofising ya gago Tona, gore le wena o di bonele segautshwane.

Ke a go tshepha, o motho yo o tshephegang.

Di lebalebe o ba thuse, ba kgone gore ba tle ba thuse Batswana sentle.

stock multiplication farms, Batswana ba bone thuso e e gaufi.

Dikgang di tshwana le tsa AI Mr Chairperson, re batla gore le rona, kana go nna fa gongwe o re o ya go reka phoko, o fitlhela go nna boturu, a re thusiwe ka AI.
Balemi-barui ba rutiwe, ba kgone gore ba dire jalo ba ikgobokantse, ba direla kwa ba leng teng, gona le gore ba latele dithuso tsa go nna jalo kgakala.

Tona, ke dingwe tse o tshwanetseng gore o di neele priority, ka le rona re batla go tsaya karolo mo market o o tlaabong o bonwe kwa mafatsheng a sele.

Cordon fence maintenance Tona; cordon fence e e re kgaoganyang le Zimbabwe Tona, ga e a ema sentle, e senyegile thata, ke ne ke inspect maloba ke bona gore tota ke mathata.
O itse gore re na le go tshwenngwa ke Foot and Mouth thata.

Re tshogile jaana gore, jaaka go bulegile dikgomo tse di tswang ka kwa Zimbabwe di tla ka kwano, gongwe re ya go nna le bothata.

Tona, ke sengwe se ke kopang gore o se lebalebe, re bonane gore re thusana jang.

Tati East Mr Chairperson, tlaa ke re the northern part of Botswana, re na le metsi a mantsi.

We have big rivers, mo ke eletsang gore Tona a re thusaneng go ya kwa pele re bone gore re ka thusa Batswana ba ka koo ka matamo.
Ke sengwe se se tlaa ba thusang gore dikgomo tsa bone di kgone go nwa metsi ka bogautshwane, ka lebaka le le telele.

Metse e tshwana le Mowana, Siviya le Tshesebe, gfa ke tsena koo nako le nako ba simolola ka kgang ya gore, kana re sale re solofeditswe, e bile dikatakata di kile tsa tla tsa kampa fa Mowana, di bo di feta.

Dingongora tse fa re ka di lebelela, Batswana ba ka thusega.

Tautona maloba e ne ya re a ile Bobonong, a tla a bona bothata jo bo neng bo diragala ka koo bo diragalela barui.
Se a se boneng kwa Bobonong, se diragala kwa Tati East kwa Matopi, Matsiloje, Matshelagabedi le Siviya.

Ke kope gore o nthuse jaaka ke tlaabo ke kopa Rre Mmusi gore, se se tlaabong re ya go thusiwa batho ba kwa Bobonong, se atolosetswe kwa Tati East.

Fa re ka tlhokomologa Tati East, ba ba senyang ka kwa ba tlaabo ba fudugetse kwa go rona, mme ke re ke sengwe se barui ba ka lebogang thata.

Ke tlaa tsaya gore fa ke bua ka kgang e, o tlaa nkema nokeng, ke thuse barui ba gago Tona.
Kgang ya lefatshe le ditsela tse Tona ke go kopang gore, re nne re thusana, balemi ba gago mongwame ba mo mathateng.

Fa o tsaya balemi ba tshwana ba kwa Ditladi, ba a iteka, mme e re fa ba tswa foo, fa ba tshwanetse gore ba ise dijwalo tsa bone kwa di rekwang teng, di felele boleng jwa tsone bo ile kwa tlase, ka tsela eo.

Fa o utlwa ke ntse ke wa ka lengole ke kopa tsela ya Ditladi- Patayamatebele, o bo o itse gore ke kopela balemi ba gago, o bo le wena o ntsena ganong, ke tlaa go letlelela gore o nthuse.
Balemi ba gago ba a sokola Tona.

Kgang nngwe e ke batlang gore re bue ka ga yone, e e tsositse dikgang gompieno, ya go emisa go reka some vegetables kwa mafatsheng a a mabapi.

We need to take bold decisions for us to move, Batswana ba solofela gore re tseye ditshwetso which are very bold.

Ke nngwe ya tsone, ke go rolela thoro go bo o tsere tshwetso eo.

Ke tshwetso e le Puso e tlaa re thusa... HONOURABLE MEMBER: Go nyeletsa dipotata di seyo mo lefatsheng?
Ke go leboge Tona ka kgang ya Impala, we are waiting for that.

Ke sengwe se Batswana ba ka kwa ba se emetseng.

Ke ne ke makala thata addressing phuthego mo metseng mengwe e le mmalwa, bontsi jwa bone ba emetse dikgang tsa technology go ka tokafatsa go lema ga bone le go rua.

Se se supa gore fa ba santse ba ntse jalo ba solofetse, re ba thuse ka kgang ya Impala, ya small DR LETSHOLATHEBE: Dipotata di tlaa nna teng, ke a tlhaloganya Mopalamente.
Re ne ra nna le bothata jo bo ntseng jaana, metsi a re a rekang mo dishopong o fitlhela shelves di sena sepe, mme six months down the line, re ne ra bona metsi Batswana ba simolola ba ithusa, ba kgona gore ba dire metsi a nne teng on the shelves.

Unfortunately, kana fa go tla kwa temong, ga se mo go 37 Hansard No 205Wednesday 2nd March, 2022ORGANISATION 0500 – MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURAL DEVELOPMENT AND FOOD SECURITYCommittee of Supply ka diragalang overnight.
I really appreciate, batho ba ba rekisang mo mebileng ba a sokola, ga ba kgone go bona dipotata.

Tona, o tlaa nna o ntse o e lebaleba, mme fela generally I really support that.

Banana Tona, dira gore o ba thuse, o ba ngoke.

Let us make farming fashionable, it should be cool.

Banana ba rona ba ba lemang re ba thuse, internet e ba e latele koo ba kgone to google ba le koo, ba sa thoke go ya kwa ditoropong.

Fa o ka dira jalo, o ka thusa Batswana go ya kwa pele.
Le rona re ka kgona go ithusa... MR SPEAKER (MR MOATLHODI): Order!

Order!

Honourable Minister, e tshware gone foo ngwana wa ga nkgonne.

E tlaa re kamoso ka 11 o’clock, ke tlaa go fa nako gore o tsweledise fa o neng o eme teng.

Honourable Members, there shall be a General Assembly tomorrow morning at 8 o’clock.

As it is now 6 o’clock, I shall now call upon the Honourable Leader of this House, His Excellency the Acting President of the Republic of Botswana, to move a Motion of adjournment.
Your Excellency!

HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… MR SPEAKER: A ko le itseyeng ka maitseo, Motlotlegi Rraetsho Tautona o a bua.

MOTION ADJOURNMENT LEADER OF THE HOUSE (MR TSOGWANE): Mr Speaker, ba tlogele bao ba masika, re tlaa kopana kwa ntle.

Ka o kopile Mr Speaker gore Ntlo e jaanong e tle kwa bokhutlong, ke kopa batlotlegi gore ba dumalane le kopo ya gago gore re eme gone fa.

Ke a leboga.

Question put and agreed to.
The Assembly accordingly adjourned at 6:00 p.m. until Thursday 3rd March, 2022 at 11:00 a.m. 38 Hansard No 205Wednesday 2nd March, 2022ORGANISATION 0500 – MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURAL DEVELOPMENT AND FOOD SECURITYCommittee of Supply HANSARD RECORDERS Mr T. Gaodumelwe, Mr T. Monakwe, Ms T. Kebonang HANSARD REPORTERS Mr M. Buti, Ms Z. Molemi, Mr J. Samunzala, Ms N. Selebogo, Ms A. Ramadi, Ms D. Thibedi, Ms G. Baotsi HANSARD EDITORS Ms K. Nyanga, Ms C. Chonga, Mr K. Goeme, Ms G. Phatedi, Ms B. Malokwane, Mr A. Mokopakgosi, Ms O. Nkatswe, Ms G. Lekopanye, Ms T. Mokhure, Ms B. Ratshipa LAYOUT DESIGNERS Mr B.
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