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THE SECOND MEETING OF THE THIRD SESSION OF THE TWELFTH PARLIAMENT FRIDAY 08 APRIL 2022 MIXED VERSION HANSARD NO: 205 THE NATIONAL ASSEMBLY SPEAKER The Hon.

Phandu T. C. Skelemani PH, MP.

DEPUTY SPEAKER Hon.

P. P. P. Moatlhodi, MP.

(Tonota) Clerk of the National Assembly Deputy Clerk of the National Assembly Acting Learned Parliamentary Counsel Assistant Clerk (E) His Excellency Dr M. E. K. Masisi, MP.

His Honour S. Tsogwane, MP.


(Boteti West) CABINET - President - Vice President - Ms B. N. Dithapo - Mr L. T. Gaolaolwe - Advocate L. O. Tlhowe - Mr R. Josiah Hon.

K. N. S. Morwaeng, MP.

(Molepolole South) - Minister for Presidential Affairs, Governance and Public Administration Hon.

K. T. Mmusi, MP.

(Gabane-Mmankgodi) - Minister of Defence, Justice and Security Hon.

Dr L. Kwape, MP.

(Kanye South) - Minister of International Affairs and Cooperation Hon.

K. K. Autlwetse, MP.


(Specially Elected) - Minister of Local Government and Rural Development Hon.

K. S. Gare, MP.

(Moshupa-Manyana) - Minister of Agricultural Development and Food Security Hon.

P. K. Kereng, MP.

(Specially Elected) - Minister of Environment, Natural Resources Conservation and Tourism Hon.

Dr E. G. Dikoloti MP.

(Mmathethe-Molapowabojang) - Minister of Health and Wellness Hon.

T.M.

Segokgo, MP.

(Tlokweng) - Minister of Transport and Communications Hon.

K. Mzwinila, MP.
K. Mzwinila, MP.

(Specially Elected) - Minister of Land Management, Water and Sanitation Services Hon.

T. M. Rakgare, MP.

(Mogoditshane) - Minister of Youth Empowerment, Sport and Culture Development Hon.

A. M. Mokgethi, MP.

(Gaborone Bonnington North) - Minister of Nationality, Immigration and Gender Affairs Hon.

P. O. Serame, MP.

(Specially Elected) - Minister of Finance and Economic Development Hon.

F. M. M. Molao, MP.

(Shashe West) - Minister of Basic Education Hon.

Dr D. Letsholathebe, MP.


(Tati East) Hon.

L. M. Moagi, MP.

(Ramotswa) - Minister of Tertiary Education, Research, Science and Technology - Minister of Mineral Resources, Green Technology and Energy Security Hon.

M. Kgafela, MP.

(Mochudi West) - Minister of Investment, Trade and Industry Hon.

M. R. Shamukuni, MP.

(Chobe) - Minister of Employment, Labour Productivity and Skills Development Hon.

E. M. Molale, MP.

(Goodhope-Mabule) - Minister of Infrastructure and Housing Development Hon.
D. M. Mthimkhulu, MP.

(Gaborone South) - Assistant Minister, Presidential Affairs, Governance and Public Administration Hon.

S. N. Modukanele, MP.

(Lerala -Maunatlala) Hon.

T. Monnakgotla, MP.

(Kgalagadi North) Hon.

M. M. Pule, MP.

(Mochudi East) Hon.

M. S. Molebatsi, MP.


(Mmadinare) - Assistant Minister, Local Government and Rural Development - Assistant Minister, Local Government and Rural Development - Assistant Minister, Local Government and Rural Development - Assistant Minister, Agricultural Development and Food Security Hon.

S. Lelatisitswe, MP.

(Boteti East) - Assistant Minister, Health and Wellness Hon.

N. W. T. Makwinja, MP.

(Lentsweletau-Mmopane) - Assistant Minister, Basic Education Hon.

B. Manake, MP.
B. Manake, MP.

(Specially Elected) - Assistant Minister, Investment, Trade and Industry Hon.

H. B. Billy, MP.

(Francistown East) Hon.

A. Lesaso, MP.

(Shoshong) - Assistant Minister, Youth Empowerment, Sport and Culture Development - Assistant Minister,Tertiary Education, Research, Science and Technology MEMBERS OF PARLIAMENT AND THEIR CONSTITUENCIES Names Constituency Hon.

L. Kablay, MP.

(Government Whip) Letlhakeng-Lephephe RULING PARTY (Botswana Democratic Party) Hon.

Dr U. Dow, MP.

Hon.


P. Majaga, MP.

Hon.

M. Balopi, MP.

Hon.

J. S. Brooks, MP.

Hon.

C. Greeff, MP.

Hon.

T. Letsholo, MP.

Hon.

T. F. Leuwe, MP.

Hon.

T. Mangwegape-Healy, MP.

Hon.

Dr T. Matsheka, MP.

Hon.

S. N. Moabi, MP.

Hon.

P. K. Motaosane, MP.

Hon.

O. Regoeng, MP.

Hon.

J. L. Thiite, MP.


Specially Elected Nata-Gweta Gaborone North Kgalagadi South Gaborone Bonnington South Kanye North Takatokwane Gaborone Central Lobatse Tati West Thamaga-Kumakwane Molepolole North Ghanzi North OPPOSITION (Umbrella for Democratic Change) Hon.

D. Saleshando, MP.

(Leader of the Opposition) Hon.

M. G. J. Motsamai, MP.


(Opposition Whip) Maun West Ghanzi South Selebi Phikwe West Mahalapye East Sefhare-Ramokgonami Ngami Okavango Maun East Bobonong Selebi Phikwe East Palapye Nkange Mahalapye West Francistown West Hon.

D. L. Keorapetse, MP.

Hon.

Y. Boko, MP.

Hon.

Dr K. Gobotswang, MP.

Hon.

C. K. Hikuama, MP.

Hon.

K. K. Kapinga, MP Hon.

G. Kekgonegile, MP.

Hon.

T. B. Lucas, MP.

Hon.

K. Nkawana, MP.

Hon.

O. Ramogapi, MP.

Hon.

Dr N. Tshabang, MP.

Hon.

D. Tshere, MP.

Hon.


M. I. Moswaane, MP.

Hon.

T. S. Khama, MP.

Hon.

L. Lesedi, MP.

Hon.

B. Mathoothe, MP.

Hon.

M. Reatile, MP.

(Botswana Patriotic Front) Serowe West Serowe South Serowe North Jwaneng-Mabutsane Hon.

W. B. Mmolotsi, MP.
Francistown South (Alliance for Progressives) TABLE OF CONTENTS THE SECOND MEETING OF THE THIRD SESSION OF THE TWELFTH PARLIAMENT FRIDAY 8th APRIL, 2022 CONTENTS PAGE (S) MINISTERS’ QUESTION TIME.........................................................................................................................1-7 MOTION FOR THE ADJOURNMENT – DEFINITE MATTER OF URGENT PUBLIC IMPORTANCE Amendment of Section 58 (2) (a) of the Constitution of the Republic of Botswana Motion (Resumed Debate)................................................................................................................................8-23 Government to Introduce a Mandatory Corporate Social Responsibility Law (CSR).........................................24-32 Friday 8th April, 2022 THE ASSEMBLY met at 9:00 a.m. (THE SPEAKER in the Chair) P R A Y E R S * * * * MINISTERS’ QUESTION TIME MINISTER OF LAND MANAGEMENT, WATER AND SANITATION SERVICES THEME: OUT OF COURT SETTLEMENTS BETWEEN WATER UTILITIES CORPORATION (WUC) AND INDEPENDENT CONTRACTORS A tender for the design, supply, installation and commissioning of Mmamashia Water Treatment Plant, was awarded to China Jiangsu International (Pty) Ltd in Joint Venture with Unik Construction Engineering in October 2018.
The contract was terminated in January 2019 after my ministry received advice and a request from Directorate of Intelligence and Security Services to terminate all projects and dealings with China Jiangsu International (Pty) Ltd because the company was engaged in activities threatening national security.
Upon receipt of the letter of termination, the contractor filed an urgent application with the High Court alleging breach of contract and seeking to interdict the project until the court makes a pronouncement on the legality of the termination.

The interdict was granted.


The Minister should state all contractors that Water Utilities Corporation (WUC) has had to pay out of court settlements in the last five years, amounts paid, the nature of the disputes that led to the settlements, and the role played by the Directorate of Intelligence and Security Services (DISS) in any of the issues, if any.

In March 2019, the parties attempted to settle the dispute by utilising the Dispute Adjudication Board (DAB) as provided in the contract.
The DAB agreement was signed in July 2019 after protracted negotiations that had stated in March 2019, but there was very little movement in the process.

MR D. SALESHANDO (MAUN WEST): Ke a go leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente.
Potso ya me e lebagane Tona wa Land Management, Water and Sanitation Services gore a supe gore ke bokae madi a a ka tswang a duetswe ke kompone ya Batswana ya WUC, a duela bagwebi ba ba ikemetseng ka nosi, ba ba kileng ba nna le maiteko a go dira ditiro tse neng WUC e batla di dirwa, mme ya felela e le gore pheletsong WUC e e ka fa tlase ga ga Tona ga e a dira dilo dingwe sentle, mo e neng ya patelesega go tsaya madi e duela bagwebi e le ka gore e dumela fa e le yone e sa tsamaisang sentle.
Madi a a duetsweng ke bokae, mme go ne go duelwa e le gore kgang ke eng, ga go dumalanwe ka eng?

Fa e le gore lekgotla la Directorate of Intelligence and Security (DIS) le ne le nnile le seabe, a re bolelele gore a e nnile le seabe, mme seabe seo e ne e le sa eng gore re felele re duetse batho ba ba sa re direlang tiro epe madi a re ka tswang re ba a duetse?

Ke a leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente.


MINISTER OF LAND MANAGEMENT, WATER AND SANITATION SERVICES (MR MZWINILA): Ke a leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente.

Mr Speaker, Water Utilities Corporation (WUC) paid China Jiangsu (Pty) Limited Joint Venture with Unik Construction (Pty) Limited an out of court settlement during the past five years.
In recognition of the lack of progress in the DAB process which was jeopardising the continuation of a strategic national project, WUC made a decision to settle the matter out of court to enable the Project to continue.

The P112 million was paid to the Joint Venture as settlement of the terminated contract, and a Court Order was issued to that effect.
The amount is inclusive of Value Added Tax (VAT), loss of profit, and the actual works which the contractor had undertaken or performed by the time the contract was terminated.

I thank you Mr Speaker.

MR SALESHANDO: Ke a go leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente.

Ke ne ke batla go itse Tona gore a ene o kgotsofalela ka fa ba neng ba emisa tenders ka teng?

Ke eng ba ne ba sa sale tsamaiso morago ya semolao, ka gore konteraka nngwe le nngwe go na le ditsamaiso tsa gore o ka e emisa jang?
Sa bobedi, a o a lemoga gore ga se P112 million fela o o latlhegileng, kana madi a ke a a latlhegileng, kwa Maun yone kompone e gape le ne la tsaya tender mo go bone la e neela ba bangwe ba ba neng ba tura, le bua sone se le se buang se.

Gone koo, ra felela re neetse ba bangwe ba ba neng ba tura go feta ka madi a e leng gore it was P300 million more than the one who have tendered.
So your ministry go raya gore already re bua ka madi a a fetang P400 million, a a neng a se mo budget, a a tsamaileng ka gore le ne la reetsa DIS e le bolelela go tlola dikonteraka.

1 Hansard No 205Friday 8th April, 2022MINISTERS’ QUESTION TIME O digele ka gore a wena ka go itse ga gago, kompone e gotweng is a threat to national security, a e kile ya sekela molato oo?
A e bile o a itse gore e ntse e teng mo lefatsheng la Botswana, mo go rayang gore P400 million o latlhegile ka go reetsa mabarebare, le bo le tlola molao le sa sale konteraka morago?

Go padile eng gore le sale konteraka morago?

Ke a leboga.

MR MZWINILA: Ke a leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente.
Mo potsong ya ntlha ya gore a mme re ne re setse tsamaiso morago, ke tsaya gore re ne re setse tsamaiso morago ka gore rona fa re tsaya kana fa re neelwa bogakolodi mo go ba ba lebaganeng le merero ya tsa itshireletso, re tshwanetse gore re ba reetse.

Ba DIS ba na le boikarabelo le thomo ya go nna ba re gakolola ka dilo kana mabaka a a ka emang kana a a ka amang itshireletso ya lefatshe la rona.
Jaanong fa ba re neela bogakolodi jone joo, e bile ba re bolelela gore go na le kgonagalo ya gore fa le ka tswelela le batho ba, lona le le lephata le tlaabo le amega mo dilong tse e leng gore di botlhabetsi mo itshireletsong ya setšhaba, go raya gore re a ba reetsa.

Ke lephata la ga Goromente le le tlhomamisitsweng seemuso, le le tsamaisiwang ka fa molaong.

Fa ba romela bogakolodi jone joo, re a bo reetsa, ke tsamaiso.
Re ne re setse kana ba ne ba setse morago tsamaiso e e tlwaelesegileng gore fa go na le lephata le e leng gore le na le thomo e e ntseng jaaka ya DIS, fa ba re neela dikgang tse di ntseng jaana, re tshwanetse gore re di tsibogele, ga re ka ke ra di didimalela.

Go di didimalela kana go tlhoka go di tsibogela, go raya gore re tlaabo re nna batsayakarolo kana banaleseabe mo kgannyeng e ba e buang, go raya gore re ne re setse tsamaiso morago.
Mo kgannyeng ya bobedi, potso e ne e re a go na le ditumalano tse e leng gore re ne ra tsena mo go tsone, kana ba koporase ya metsi ba ne ba tsena mo go tsone kwa ntle ga tsamaiso ya kgotlatshekelo, ba bo ba latlhegelwa ke madi.

Se potso e se buang, ga e ame project ya kwa Maun.

Project ya Maun, baikopedi kana ba ba neng ba ikopela go dira tiro ya teng, ba ne ba ise ba neelwe tiro ya teng.

E farologane thata le ya Mmamashia.


Ya Mmamashia, ba China Jiangsu ba ne ba santse ba neetswe mokwalo wa gore ke bone ba ba atlegileng mo go reng ba dire tiro ya teng.

Kwa Maun go ne go sa nna jalo.

Di a farologana.

Mo potsong e nngwe, motlotlegi o ne a botsa gore a mme China Jiangsu e kile ya sekisediwa molato o o neng ba DIS ba re ba o dirile.

Tota ga ke itse fa ba kile ba ya go sekisiwa ka gore ke tseela gore gongwe e ne e le babelaelwa.
Fa ba lekgotla le le tshwanang le DIS ba re ke babelaelwa, go raya gore re tshwanetse go tsibogela bogakolodi jwa bone, re se ka ra amana le bone ka gore tota rona ga re batho ba itshireletso, ga re itse dikgang tsa seemo sa itshireletso sa lefatshe la rona, mme go na le bangwe ba a di itse.

Jaanong fa e le gore go na le babelaelwa ba gotweng ba ya go nna borai kana botlhabetsi mo lefatsheng la rona, re tshwanetse go tsibogela bogakolodi jwa bone.
Ke a leboga Motlotlegi Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente.

DR GOBOTSWANG: Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

Honourable Minister, kana o bua jaaka o kare ga o ise o ke o nne lesole, o rutetswe dikgang tsa itshireletso.

O bua fela like a civilian, mme o itse maemo a gago gore a tswa fa kae.
Jaanong ke ne ke batla go itse gore fa o re DIS e ne e le fa bogakolodi, mme la ba reetsa, a go reetsa mo ga lona, a le ne le lebile kgakololo eo e le taelo kana e ne e le gore le ba reetse, le dirise dikitso le experiences tse le nang le tsone, le wena e bile o rutetswe dikgang tse gore le lebelele gore a golo mo ke boammaaruri kana ga se boammaaruri, le bo le tsaya ditshwetso tse di tshwanetseng?
Honourable Minister, a kgakololo e, le le Puso e bile e le mo lephateng la gago, fa DIS e tla e le gakolola jaana, golo moo le go tsaya e le taelo kgotsa jang?

Kgang e nngwe ke gore go utlwala gore company e, e e neng e buiwa e le borai go le kanakana e bile re latlhegetswe ke madi ka ntata ya yone, e santse e le mo Botswana, e phuthologile e bile e santse kooteng e fiwa le ditiro.

Honourable Minister, a ga o bone gore golo fa o ne o filwe kgang e e senang boammaaruri gotlhelele?
A o bona gore o tsieditswe golo fa?

O le rre fela yo o nang le experience e e kanakana ya security le ya Puso, o bo o tsiediwa ke DIS ka tsela e e ntseng jaana?

Sa bofelo ke gore wa re re latlhegetswe ke madi gongwe bo P100 million, Honourable Leader of the Opposition (LOO) o bua gore re tshwanetse re bo re latlhegetswe ke madi a a fetang foo, gongwe bo P400 million.

Sentlentle fela re latlhegetswe ke bokae mabapi le ditshwetso tse o di tsayang?

Are you going to take responsibility for this?


What are the consequences, ke mang yo o tshwanetseng gore a tseelwe dikgato ka gore le sentse madi a ga Goromente ka go tsaya ditaelo tse e seng tsone?

Are you taking responsibility for all these things and what are you going to do about it?

Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

MR MZWINILA: Ke a leboga Motlotlegi Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente.
Mo potsong ya ntlha ya gore a DIS e ne e re neela taelo, ke tseela gore fa lephata le 2 Hansard No 205Friday 8th April, 2022MINISTERS’ QUESTION TIME le tshwanang le DIS kana Directorate on Corruption and Economic Crime (DCEC) ba re neela bogakolodi, ba re bolelela gore go na le se se diragalang se se ka nnang botlhabetsi kana borai mo tsamaisong ya merero ya itshireletso le thokgamo ya lefatshe la rona, re tshwanetse go tsibogela bogakolodi joo.
E tlaabo e le go tlhoka boikarabelo mo go rona fa re ka tla ra tlhoka go tsibogela bogakolodi jwa teng.

Re a tlamega go reetsa maphata a ga Goromente ka gore re Goromente a le mongwefela.

Jaanong go go araba gone foo motlotlegi ke gore nnyaa rra, re a tlamega gore fa ba ntsha bogakolodi jo bo ntseng jaana, re bo sale morago, a ke bone kana le maphata a mangwe a itshireletso.
A ke Botswana Unified Revenue Service (BURS), Financial Intelligence Agency (FIA), DCEC kana DIS, fa maphata a a amang tsa itshireletso a re neela bogakolodi jo bo ntseng jalo, re tshwanetse go bo tsibogela.

Re a tlamega go dira jalo.


Mo potsong ya bobedi, motlotlegi o ne a re a ke a itse gore China Jiangsu …(Interruptions)… ga ke itse gore a ba santse ba le mo Botswana, se ke se itseng ke gore morago ga mokwalo o o neng o tswa kwa DIS o re bolelela gore re emise tirisanyo le bone kana tsotlhe tse re ka tlang re di dira le ba China Jiangsu, go ne ga tla mokwalo o mongwe morago o tlhalosa gore jaanong le ka tswelela la dirisana le bone.

Go ne ga nna le mokwalo o mongwe wa bobedi.


Gongwe motlotlegi o bua ka mokwalo wa bobedi o o neng wa re golola kana wa golola mongwe le mongwe gore jaanong kgang ele e e neng e ama seemo sa itshireletso e fedile, e rarabolotswe kana go diragetse eng ka yone ga ke itse.

Ga ke mo Lephateng la Itshireletso mo sebakeng sa gompieno.

Ee, ke kile ka nna mo go lone jaaka o bua, mme e seng gompieno.
Se ke se buang ke gore go ne ga nna le mokwalo wa bobedi o o neng o re golola gore re ka tswelela le bone kana mongwe le mongwe a tswelela le bone, gongwe motlotlegi o bua ka kgang yone eo.

Mo sebakeng sa gompieno, ke tseela gore ba teng mo Botswana.

Ga ke itse, mme ke tseela gore ba teng ka gore mokwalo wa bobedi o ne wa goroga.
Mo kgannyeng ya gore ke mang yo o yang go tsaya boikarabelo jwa P112 million yo o re latlhegetseng, ke tsaya gore boikarabelo bo tshwanetse gore e nne jwa gore madi a teng, a ne a re latlhegela ka tsela e e ntseng jang.

Fa e le gore ba Lephata la Itshireletso ba ne ba supa gore go botlhabetsi, go borai mo lefatsheng la rona go tswelela le kompone eo, re ne re tlamega go tsaya boikarabelo jwa gore re ba reetse.
Fa e le gore go ba reetsa go ne ga tla le ditlamorago tse di neng tsa dira gore re latlhegelwe ke madi, go tshwanetse gore go nne le boikarabelo joo jwa gore botlhabetsi kana go nna borai mo lefatsheng la rona, go feta madi a a neng a ka re senyegela ka gore dikgang tsa seemo sa rona sa itshireletso, ke tsone tse di ditona go feta sengwe le sengwe.

Le fa go na le tatlhegelo ya madi, go tshwanetse go tlhaloganngwa gore kante kgang yone e ne e le eng.
Fa e le gore gatwe jaaka go ne go buiwa ka Sekgoa, gotwe threat to national security, ga o ka ke wa tlhoka go tsibogela dikgang tsa national security ka gore go na le kgang ya madi e e tsamaelanang le kgang eo.

Jaanong re ne re tshwanetse go tsibogela dikgang tsa national security ka gore borai jwa teng, jaaka re ne re tlhalosetswa, bo ne bo feta jwa tatlhegelo ya madi e e neng ya diragala.

Ke a leboga.

MR KAPINGA: Thank you Mr Speaker.


Rraetsho Tona, kana potso fa ke gore a o lemoga gore boikarabelo jwa go tsaya tshwetso mo bogakoloding jo bo senang any foundation jaaka go itshupile mo case e, ke jwa gago gore lefatshe le bo le latlhegetswe ke madi a a kanakana go sena boammaaruri jwa gore company e na le botlhabetsi mo lefatsheng?
Sa bobedi, wena o le Tona, fa DIS e tla kwa go wena, e go raya e re semangmang o botlhabetsi mo lephateng la gago, a o raya gore ga o na boikarabelo jwa gore o botse gore botlhabetsi joo ke jwa mofuta o o ntseng jang o le Tona, gore e re o tsaya tshwetso, o bo o kgotsofetse gore ka nnete go na le botlhabetsi bongwe jo bo lebaganeng le lefatshe la Botswana?
A o lemoga gore at the end of the day, the responsibility lies on your shoulders gore o bo o ne o khansetse (cancel) contract le company o sena mabaka ape a gore gatwe go na le botlhabetsi bope kgatlhanong le lefatshe la Botswana?

A o a lemoga gore selo seo ke boikarabelo jwa gago rraetsho?

MR MZWINILA: Ke a leboga Motlotlegi Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente.

Ga ke dumalane le wena Honourable Kapinga, ga o bue se se neng sa diragala kana se se diragetseng.
Santlha go phoso gore ba DIS ba ne ba sena bosupi, ba ne ba sena kgang kana go ne go sena se ba se tshwereng.

Ga o itse gore ba ne ba tshwere eng, ga o itse gore kgang e ne e le eng, o se ka wa akanyetsa.

Ga o itse gore go ne go diragala eng, ga o itse gore kgang e ne e le eng.

MR KAPINGA: Ga ke akanyetse, ga boyo, ke fa ga go a diragala sepe fa.

MR MZWINILA: Ga o itse gore kgang ya bone ke eng.


So o se ka wa tla wa ipaya jaaka o kare o a itse gore kgang e ne e le eng ka gore ga o itse gore kgang e ne e le eng.

3 Hansard No 205Friday 8th April, 2022MINISTERS’ QUESTION TIME HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… MR MZWINILA: Sa bobedi se o neng o se botsa ke gore boikarabelo jwa gore konteraka e ne ya tla ya emisiwa, tota bone ba emisitswe ke Koporase ya Metsi, a re tlhaloganye sone seo.
Ba Koporase ya Metsi fa e le gore ba ne ba tlhoka go emisa tlhabololo kana kontekara eo, ba ne ba tlile go tla ba tsena mo kgannyeng ya gore ba ya go tla ba nna molato gape.

Molato wa gore ba boleletswe gore batho ba ba botlhabetsi mo thokgamong ya lefatshe la Botswana.

Molato o motona go feta ke gore, o tlhoke go reetsa bogakolodi jwa maphata a itshireletso.

Go raya gore ba ne ba sena tshwanelo ya go gana bogakolodi jwa DIS.
Ke gore fa lephata le tla kwa go rona ka dikgang tsa bone, ga re ka ke ya re re le Goromente yo mongwefela, re bo re tlhoka go ba reetsa, nnyaa moo …(Interruptions)… HONOURABLE MEMBER: Wena o le Minister, ke wena o neng o tsaya tshwetso.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ba a bo ba robile molao ofe Minister?

MR MZWINILA: Kana kgang ya gore ba ne ba robile molao jaaka ke tlhalositse, le ka botsa ba DIS, ka gore ke bone ba re boleletseng gore batho ba ba botlhabetsi mo dikgannyeng tsa itshireletso ya lefatshe la rona.
Ba re boleletse jalo, ga se rona, kana ga re batho ba security.

Re kwaletswe gotwe batho ba ba borai mo itshireletsong ya lefatshe la rona, and go tlhola go diragala ga se la ntlha.

Fa gongwe kwa land boards go a diragala gore ba DCEC kana DIS ba re bolelele gore batho ba ba botlhabetsi mo dikgannyeng tsa itshireletso.
Kwa Water Affairs go a diragala, go a diragala gantsintsi mo lephateng gore ba maphata a itshireletso ba re bolelele gore batho ba ba botlhabetsi mo tlhokgamong ya lefatshe la rona kana ke babelaelwa, mme le tshwanetse gore le tseye dikgato tse di maleba, ka gore re le boleletse gore batho ba ba botlhabetsi mo dikgannyeng tsa thokgamo ya lefatshe la rona.

Ke a leboga.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Owaii, ga gona Puso golo fa.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ga e yo.


MR HIKUAMA: Ke a leboga Honourable Speaker, ke a leboga Tona mo go itekeng go araba, o a leka mme go lebega go le thatanyana.

Ke batla go botsa gore, fa o tlhomamisa e bile o a ikgotsofatsa gore le ne le setse molao morago e bile ga le a senya sepe, ke eng o duela o sa senya?

Ke eng o duela motho, mme o setse ditsamaiso morago?

Ke sone se se tshwanetseng go tswa sentle se papametse gore, fa o setse tsamaiso morago ga o ka ke wa felela o duela ope.
Fa o setse tsamaiso morago, ke eng le feletse le duela madi a a sa dirang sepe?

Ya bobedi ke gore, a mme kgakololo ya DIS e tshwanetse go nna an imagination kana go tshwanetse gore go nne le dikai tse di supang gore this thing is a threat?
A mme kgakololo e ke instruction e e felelang e le gore fa o sa e tseye o apply your mind well, gore nnyaa mme go santse go sena sepe, go raya gore fela fa DIS e akanyetsa mongwe le fa e sena basis, e le fela gongwe lethoo jaaka ke e tle ke akanyetsa Dr Matsheka ke re ke lepantsola, ke bo ke mo akanyetsa gore o ka senya, a golo mo o tshwanetse o go tseye e le taelo ya go tsaya ditshwetso tsa Puso?

Ke a leboga.

MR MZWINILA: Ke a leboga.


Mo potsong ya ntlha ya gore ke eng go ne ga nna le thulaganyo ya gore go nne le tumalano kwa ntle ga kgotlatshekelo, ke gore ba Koporase ya Metsi ba ne ba itemogela gore ka kgang e kwa kgotlatshekelo, kana kgang e kgotlatshekelo ga e ise e e reetse.

Ba Koporase ya Metsi ba ne ba itemogela gore kgang e dia ditlhabololo tsa bone, ka gore tlhabololo ya Mmamashia e ne e le tse dingwe ditlhabololo di remeletseng mo go yone.
E ne e tshwanetse gore ba e dire ka bofefo jo bo kgonagalang.

Go raya gore ba ne ba tsaya tshwetso gore, gore re emele kgotlatshekelo go ka re dia.

E ne e le kgang ya gore e ka ba dia, ba bo ba dumalana kwa ntle ga thulaganyo ya gore kgang e sekwe le ba China Jiangsu.

E ne e le tshwetso e ba neng ba e tsaya, ba lebeletse thulaganyo le ditogamaano tsa bone tsa gore ba tshwanetse go neela Batswana metsi ka tsela e e ntseng jang, ka bofefo jo bo kgonagalang.
Mo potsong ya bobedi ya gore ke eng re ne ra reetsa ba DIS, ke lekile go e araba gore re le lephata la ga Goromente re reetsa maphata a mangwe, bogolo jang thata fa ba na le mo gotweng oversight.
Ba kgona go re bolelela gore dilo di tsamaya ka tsela e e ntseng jang, ba na le kitso ya go tlhaloganya merero ya itshireletso e rona re senang yone ...(Interruptions)... HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible)… MR MZWINILA: …re tshwanetse gore jaaka ba ne ba re kwaletse, e bile ka Sekgoa ba re, “put it on record” ba dirisa mafoko ao.
Re tshwanetse gore re tseye mafoko a bone re a diragatse, ka gore re Goromente yo mongwefela, ga re ka ke ra tlhoka go reetsa lephata le lengwe la ga Goromente fa le re bolelela gore… (Interruptions)… 4 Hansard No 205Friday 8th April, 2022MINISTERS’ QUESTION TIME HONOURABLE MEMBER: Bone batho ba ba botlhabetsi, ba kae jaaka re bua jaana?

MR MZWINILA: …lefatshe la rona.

Ke a leboga.

MR SPEAKER (MR SKELEMANI): Honourable Members, the time for this question is over, there is another question.
MINISTER OF BASIC EDUCATION THEME: CRISIS OF INNOCENT BATSWANA CHILDREN BEING DENIED ACCESS TO EDUCATION Asked the Minister of Basic Education if he is aware that some students will not be able to report for Form 4 as their parents are unable to pay their outstanding school and Parents Teachers Association (PTA) fees and that in some cases School Heads are able to transfer the outstanding debts to senior schools where the said students have been admitted.
In view of the above will the Minister state: (i) the reasons for denying students to proceed to senior secondary schools; (ii) the reasons for refusing to release admission letters to enable students to proceed attending classes; (iii) if students are not being punished for their parents’ failures; and (iv) if there are no means of holding parents accountable without disturbing the children education.

MR M. I. MOSWAANE (FRANCISTOWN WEST): Thank you Mr Speaker.

Mma ke leboge gore o bo o mphile sebaka seo.


…(Inaudible)… mo go Tona ke re ke beile potso jaaka ke e tlhalositse gore a ko a re fe mabaka a a dirang gore ka dinako tsotlhe ngwaga le ngwaga, bana fa ba tshwanetse go tswelela ba tswa mo go Form 3 ke e fa e le sekai, ba ya kwa go Form 4, go lowa dikgwedi tse pedi.

January, February, March bana ba kokota kwa go School Heads ba sa kgone go bona admission letters gotwe o kolota school fees kana PTA?
Ke batla go itse gore mabaka a a dirwa ke eng, ka gore tsamaiso ya lefatshe la Botswana e clear ya re mokoloti ke motsadi e seng ngwana?

Why frustrate the poor kid yo o sa itseng sepe?

E nngwe ke re, a ko o re fe mabaka a a tletseng a ka one bana ba gamolwang tota mo seemong sa gore ba se ka ba neelwa ditshwanelo tsa bone.
Fa o tlhola mo dikgaolong Tona, o fitlhela go na le bana ba e reng fa o setse o ya go kopana le bone at a very later stage, o utlwa ngwana a go bolelela gore ga ke a ya kwa sekoleng, mama kana papa o ne a kolota madi a school fees, jaanong ba itlhobogile.

Golo mo Tona le go tlhamalatsa jang gore bana ba se ka ba iphitlhela bangwe ba latlhegetswe ke tsamaiso ya go iphitlhela ba le mo sekoleng?
Cases di teng tse ke nang le bosupi le tsone, which we have pushed gore re leke go thusa bana ba rona gore ba bone thuso, jaanong go dirisiwa pressure ya sepolotiki.

Tsamaiso e e tlhamaletseng ya reng bagaetsho, mabapi le kgang eo?
E nngwe Tona ke ya gore, a ga gona tsamaiso e ka yone re ka iphitlhelang re le Puso re raya motsadi re re o tshwanelwa ke go dira se, e le tshwanelo ya gago mo dithutong tsa ngwana jaaka le itse gore ngwana o na le tshwanelo ya go tsaya thuto go sa kgathalesege gore diemo di ntse jang ka tsamaiso ya lefatshe la Botswana?

Re dira eng ka gone?


Sekai, Tona ke lebile lebaka la gore, ke eng go sa dirwe gore PTA e neelwe dinonofo tsa gore e dirisane le baeteledipele ba dikgaolo, e leng Magosi, Makhanselara le ba bangwe go bona gore batsadi ba ka kopiwa go duela go sa amane le gore ngwana a kgorelediwe mo thutong ya gagwe.

Batsadi ka bontsi fela mo dikgaolong tse di kwa tengnyanateng, ba feletsa go na le diemo tse di thata.
Mo dikgaolong tsa rona tsa makeishane go feletsa go na le dikgang tse di thata, tse o fitlhelang jaanong re tlogetse tiro mo Palamenteng re bereka go letlanya botsadi, sekole le ngwana gore ngwana a kgone go boela sekoleng.

Tona, dikgang tse wa reng ka tsone?

A ko o re tlhalosetse, o re bolelele gore policy ya lona tota ya reng.

Batswana ba kgone go utlwa go tlhamaletse gore a mo tsamaisong ya Puso, go na le gore ngwana a iphitlhele a kgoreletsega ka mabaka a gore motsadi o na le botlhoki jo bo rileng.
Thank you Mr Speaker, thank you Minister.

ASSISTANT MINISTER OF BASIC EDUCATION (MS MAKWINJA): Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

Ke a leboga motlotlegi ka potso e e tlaa re fang sebaka gore re tlhalosetse Motswana kwa gae, ngwana wa sekole le batsadi kana batlhokomedi ka se motlotlegi a tshwenyegileng ka sone.

Mr Speaker, ga re ise re nne le report kana tshwaelo eo ya gore bana ga ba kgone go ya sekoleng ka gore batsadi ba na le dikoloto mo dikoleng.
Ke ka bua fela ka re, le teng kwa sekoleng kwa North East, kwa district e go buiwang ka yone, ga ba ise ba amogele kopo e le nngwefela ya gore go na le ngwana yo o sa yang sekoleng, ka lebaka la gore batsadi ba a kolota.

Rona mo lephateng le, ka motlotlegi o batla go itse gore tota 5 Hansard No 205Friday 8th April, 2022MINISTERS’ QUESTION TIME molao ke eng, ke tlaa bala Mr Speaker ka Sekgoa ka go ne go buiwa ka sone, statement se se neng sa dirwa ke Minister nako ya teng sa 10th December, 2014.
Tona o ne a dira statement mo Palamenteng.

A bua a re, “Madam Speaker, I would like to make a statement to this Honourable House on the exclusion of students on account of outstanding debts at schools especially junior and senior secondary schools.

Preceding this statement, Parliamentary questions were raised in this Honourable House being Question No.705 on the 26th March, 2012 and Question No.238 on 17th February, 2014 about the same issue.
Madam Speaker, my ministry still maintains that no child should be excluded from continuing with schooling or be denied certificates or testimonials on account of debt owed by the school.

All debts resulting from failure to pay school fees, loss of both library and text books and any other debt incurred by students should be followed-up with the parents.
In a situation where a child is proceeding from junior secondary school to a senior secondary school, their names and all other information relating to the debt should be forwarded to the senior secondary school they have been admitted to.

The school where the child has been admitted to, will pursue the matter with the concerned parents.

It remains the responsibility of both the School Heads and Regional Directors to follow-up with parents to collect monies owed to the schools.
The ministry has directed School Heads through directives and savingrams to take heed of this issue and desist from denying students to obtain their certificates and testimonials.” Fa ke e soboka ka Setswana, fa e le gore go na le ngwana yo o nang le melatsa e, fa a tsamaya a ya secondary school, e tshwanetse go isiwa kwa sekoleng seo.

Go bo go raya gore sekole seo gammogo le ba region ba e sala morago go bona gore ngwana yo ga a tlontlololwe, e bile ga a bewe ka fa mosing ka fa dithutong tsa gagwe.
Ke batla gore if you allow me Mr Speaker, go balela Ntlo e, savingram ya 1st March 2010, “exclusion of students on accounts of outstanding debts.” It was written by the Acting Permanent Secretary (PS) at the time to Regional Directors and Secondary School Heads.

“Your attention is drawn to savingram as SE62166/5 dated 12th October, 2007 and SE dated 13 January, 2010, both authorised by the Director Department of Secondary Education.
This serves to further direct that no child should be excluded from continuing with schooling or be denied certificate, testimonials on account of debt owed to the school.

All debts resulting from failure to pay school fees, loss of both library and textbooks and any other debt incurred by students should be followed-up with the parent.
In a situation where a child is proceeding from junior secondary school to a senior secondary school, their name and all other information relating to the debt should be forwarded to the secondary school they have been admitted to.

The school where the child had been admitted to will pursue the matter with the concerned parents.” This was in 2010 Mr Speaker.

It remains the responsibility of both the School Heads and Regional Directors to follow-up with parents to collect the money owed to the schools.
Mr Speaker, motlotlegi le Ntlo e, ke dikgato tse di papametseng tse di tserweng ke ministry o wa rona gore o bone gore ga go na ngwana yo o salelang kwa morago.

Ke gopola gore ke di badile mme fa go ntse jaana, bana ga ba a tshwanela gore ba bewe ka fa mosing fa ba ya secondary school.

School Heads le region ba tshwanetse go bona gore ga go na ngwana yo o ka beiwang ka fa mosing.
Re lemoge gore betsho se se diragalang, bodiredi mo dikoleng tsa rona… Ke sone se e leng gore jaaka motlotlegi a bua, dipego di a tla kwa go ene gore go papametse bana ba ntse ba sotlega ka tsela e. Re farologanye bodiredi le melao le ditsamaiso tse di papametseng mme di sa diragadiwe.

Ke sone se motlotlegi le bangwe ba lona, ba kopanang le dikgang tse.

Ke le bolelele gore go papametse, ke tse ke di tshwere.
Re tlaa boa gape orientating Bagokgo ba rona ka gore fa gongwe ba bangwe ba tsena mo positions tseo, ba bo ba sa bolelelwe ka dilo tse sentle gore mathata a a teng, ba bone gore ba dira jang fa ba tsena mo diofising.

Ke kgwetlho mo go rona gore re ye to orientate barutabana gore kgang e e buiwang ke Motlotlegi Moswaane, tota e se ka ya tlhola e diragala.

Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

Ke a leboga motlotlegi.

MR MOSWAANE: Thank you so much Mr Speaker.


Ke utlwisise, Tona se o se buang ke gore, fa e le gore ke boammaaruri go a diragala, bodiredi jwa thuto e bong School Heads ba a bo ba dule mo tseleng, ba sa dire se tsamaiso e se tlhokang.

Ke tsaya gore ke go tlhaloganya o rialo.

Tona, o ka nna mosupi wa me, a ga o a utlwa ka January ke ngongorega mo go wena gore re tshwerwe bothata ka dikgang tsa gore bana ga ba kgone go tsaya letters of admission from the schools ka ntata ya dikoloto?
Ke bo ke botsa e nngwe ke re Tona, a mme ga o bone go le botlhokwa gore molaetsa o o papamale ka gore ke kile ka lomagana le ba North East District mabapi le dikgang tse, mme ka fitlhela ba sena savingram ya gago ya 2010 mo ke ileng ka feleletsa ke ba e romelela?

A ga o bone gore le papamale le e phatlalatse ka bokete jo bo gakgamatsang jaaka o bua Tona gore batho ba rona ba se 6 Hansard No 205Friday 8th April, 2022MINISTERS’ QUESTION TIME ka ba sokola?
A ga se nako ya gore le kope boitshwarelo mo botsading jo bo ileng jwa diragalelwa ke ditiro tse ka gore bo bontsi Tona?

Fa ba go reeditse jaana o latola, o re ga go ise go direge, o ka nna wa iphitlhela o itsentse mo gare ga dinaka tsa nare.

A ga go botoka gore fa e le gore phoso e kile ya diragala Tona, o re nnyaa bagaetsho re ineeleng diatla metsing tota ga se rona ba ba laetseng jalo, Bagokgo ba ne ba latlhegetswe ke tsamaiso?

Thank you.

MS MAKWINJA: Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

Ke a leboga motlotlegi.


Ga ke itatole Mr Speaker, rona ga re itse ka gore bosupi ga bo ise bo tle kwa go rona.

Ke a dumela gore Motlotlegi Moswaane o ne a nteletsa mme ra sala kgang eo morago.

Ke sone se ke reng ga re itatole.

Fa e le gore go diragetse jaaka gongwe go diragetse mo bangweng ba lona, re ka ikopa maitshwarelo re le lephata mme jaaka ke solofetsa, re tlaa tsaya tse re di phatlalatsa jaaka o kopa motlotlegi.
E bile gape re bo re bona gore manual wa rona wa head teachers o a dirisiwa o papamala gore dilo tse dingwe tse tota di se ka tsa tlhola di re diragalela.
Fa e le gore go diragetse le fa boitshwarelo bo ka se ke tota bo thuse ngwana yo e leng gore gongwe o ne a nna le mathata ka lebaka le, re a khubama mo Motswaneng kwa gae gore tota fa e le gore ngwana wa gago o ne a diragalelwa ke selo se ka mabaka a re a beileng, re le lephata re kopa maitshwarelo, bogolo jang mo go ene ngwana yo e leng gore o iphitlhetse a le mo legoeleleng.

Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

MR HIKUAMA: Ke a leboga Honourable Speaker.

Ke a leboga Tona.
Ke a leboga Tona.

Tona, kana o ne o re wena ga o itse sepe, ga o itse ngwana ope yo o kileng a busiwa kwa sekoleng ka ntata ya sekoloto.

Ke ipoeletse jaaka ke kile ka go botsa, a o bua o tlhoafetse o re ga o itse sepe?

A o tlhoafetse fela wa rialo?

Ke yone potso ya ntlha.


Ya bobedi ke gore fa e le gore Puso ga e letlelele gore bana ba busiwe kwa dikoleng kana ba tlhoke go amogelwa ba ise ba… ga ba kgoreletse go amogela mo dikoleng ba ise ba phimole dikoloto tsa bone, mme tota what is the essence now of allowing some to pay and some not to pay mme e le batho ba lefatshe la Botswana botlhe?

Kana go raya gore fa e le gore bana le fa ba sa duela ga gona se se dirwang, ke moka o jele ntsoma batsadi ba ba duelang.
E bile ga ke a utlwa mo karabong ya gago gore a mme in the process ya lona e e tlhamaletseng e, a go na le bangwe ba ba kileng ga phuthiwa kana ga salwa morago ditsamaiso tse o di buang tse o reng di ka dirisiwa go phutha madi, mme ba feditse, ga ba a duela.

Ke eng bogolo le sa phimole school fees gotlhelele?

Ke a leboga.

MS MAKWINJA: Thank you Mr Speaker.

Ke a leboga motlotlegi.

Ke lebogela potso e ka gore e tlaa re thusa gape go tlhalosetsa Motswana kwa gae ka lenaeno le.

Wa re a ke tlhoafetse?


Ga ke itse gore motlotlegi a ke ka ema fela ka bua mo Ntlong e ke sa tlhoafala.

Ga ke bone gore a ke potso e o tshwanetseng go e mpotsa.

Mr Speaker, kgang e e tshwana fela le ya school fees.

Gompieno jaana ga re kgone go tsaya madi a school fees.

Batsadi ba rona kwa gae, bontsi jwa bone ba latlheletse, bana ba ke ba ga Goromente, ga e sa tlhole e le ba bone, re tshwere bothata.
Re itse gore batsadi ba bangwe ke ba ba sa kgoneng mme go na le mananeo kwa lephateng la bo Motlotlegi Tona Autlwetse a e leng gore fa ngwana a sa kgone, ba kgona go mo thusa.

Bana ba, ke ba batsadi ba e leng gore gongwe ga ba kgone mme le fa ba sa kgone jaana, ga ba ikuele kwa ba tshwanetseng go ikuela teng.

Fa gongwe ke jaaka ke setse ke buile gore gongwe bagokgo bao, ga ba itse ka dikgang tse ka gore ke tsa bo 2010 le bo 2014.

Badirelapuso ba a fetoga mo dikoleng tse di farologaneng.
Ke sone se ke reng manual o wa head teachers o tle o tsenye dilo tsa go nna jaana gore go ya pele go se ka ga diragala gape.

Jaanong gore go na le batsadi ba ba duelang le ba ba sa dueleng, go ntse jalo Motlotlegi Hikuama.

Mme kana ga re ka ke ra lesa fela ra re nnyaa, ka gore ba bangwe ga ba duele, ba bangwe ba a duela jaanong re phimole dikole tsa ba ba duelang.

Nnyaa, re tlaabo re sa dire ka fa tsamaisong mme e bile go tlaabo go re baya mo mosing go feta.
Jaanong ke ikuele mo batsading kwa gae gore fa o kgona go duela dilo tse… le fa o bereka mo Ipelegeng o ka duela P30 fela kgwedi le kgwedi, e ka re fa ngwaga e fela o bo o feleleditse go duelela ngwana sekoloto.

Ke ikuela mo botsading gore bana ke ba rona, a re lekeng go ba emela ka dinao.

Ke a leboga.

MR MAJAGA: Thank you Mr Speaker and good morning to all members.

Ke leboge Rre Moswaane.

Tona, re a go utlwa ka fa o lekang go tlhalosa ka teng.
Let me tell you straight Honourable Minister gore le a laola kwa lephateng.

That is point number 1.

Se o se buang ke sa ministry, but then fa o setse o ya kwa go bo mogokgo mo dikoleng ka bontsi, that thing e ntse e teng.

E kile ya buiwa gape le mo Palamenteng ya bo 11 mongwe a tla ka dipotso tsa teng, mme le gompieno e ntse e teng.

Le nna I can attest to that.


Bongwanake ba ne ba tsena mo Ben Thema mme ke ba isa kwa Kgosi Kgosi kwa Tlokweng ka ke ne ke sa kgone go ba pega combis ka ba le bantsi, botoka ba nne ba tswa fa motseng ka dinao.

Jaanong go bo go ya go fitlhela mongwe a sa rialo, so e nnile an issue then ke bo ke tla ke bona gore golo mo ga go diragelele ba ba kwa Tsokatshaa fela le 7 Hansard No 205Friday 8th April, 2022MINISTERS’ QUESTION TIME bo Manxotai, le fa re ne ra e rarabolola.
Fa e le gore go na le sengwenyana se e leng gore se ne sa salela kwa morago gongwe o sa itse, go nna an issue.

Ke ne ke re make this very clear fela kwa bagokgong like ke utlwa o araba o re gongwe le tlaa dira mokwalo o o tlaa nnang a guiding tool.

Batsadi go tlhamaletse, go tshwanetse gore ba duelele bana.

Ke ne ke re kwa bo Skondomboro, Ngarange le kaekae, o ya go fitlhela mogokgo mongwe a na le tsa gagwe.

Kana le bone ba batla go laola, e bo e le gore moo e nna a big issue.
Ke ne ke re ke e tlhalose jalo.

Tona, le eme ka dinao le baakanye dilo tseo.

Ke a leboga.

MS MAKWINJA: Ke a leboga.

Ke gopola Motlotlegi Majaga o ne a tota a e baya jaaka re tshwanetse go dira mme re tlaa leka ka bojotlhe.

Ke ka go solofetsa gore re tlile go leka ka bojotlhe gore go se ka ga tlhola go diragala.

MR MOATLHODI: Ke a go leboga Motlotlegi Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente.
Motlotlegi Mmaetsho Tona, a o a lemoga gore mokgweleo o o kanakana le a o ithwesa ka go palelwa ke go tseela batsadi ba ba sa tlhokomeleng bana kgato?

Le palelwa ke go gagamaletsa batsadi ba phogwana le go ba gakolola gore lefatshe le, runs a deficit ya P16.4 billion.

Honourable Minister, gagamaletsang batsadi ba phogwana, bana bana ba ga se ba maZimbabwe, ke bana ba batsadi ba.

I thank you Mr Speaker.

MR MOTSAMAI: Point of order.


Mr Speaker, re tshwanetse gore fa re bua re tlhaloganye gore re bua ka diemo tse di ntseng jang.

Mr Speaker, re tshwanetse ra itse gore lefatshe le ke la makgetho, batsadi ba a kgetha, ba kgetha gongwe le gongwe, ba kgaoletswe metsi, dikgang di tlhakatlhakane, ba tswa mo COVID.

Fa re bua dikgang tse Mr Speaker, ga re a tshwanela go bua re le baeteledipele re supa gore batsadi ba gagamadiwe diphogwana.
Re bua jalo re tšhobetse madi a batsadi mo dikgetsing ba ba re romileng go re tsisa mo Palamenteng, jaanong re bo re re ba gagamadiwe diphogwana.

We must mind our language fa re le mo Palamenteng Mr Speaker.

I thank you.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Mo kgalemele.

MR SPEAKER: Honourable Motsamai, I cannot see what the order is supposed to be.

A o itse gore go gagamatsa phogwana go tewa eng?

Kana o ithutile jaaka nna…(Inaudible)…(Interruptions)... Setswana Honourable Minister, you will ask her questions.
Honourable Deputy Speaker asked the question.

HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… MS MAKWINJA: Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

Ke ne ke re fa ke utlwa Motlotlegi Moatlhodi o ne a re re gagamaletse phogwana badiri, bone bagokgo, ba e leng gore ga ba dire tiro e, fa ke mo utlwa sentle.

Mme ke re... HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ga o a mo utlwa sentle.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Batsadi, beng ba bana, batsadi ba bana ba.

MS MAKWINJA: Ahe!

Ee, o ne o re beng ba bana.

MR MOATLHODI: Yes.


MS MAKWINJA: Tota re tshwanetse go tsamaya ka tselana motlotlegi.

Re a leka jaaka ke setse ke buile gore re tlaa leka gore tota re sale ditsamaiso morago, re ba lebise mabaka ba tle ba kgone go dira se se tshwanetseng.

Ke a leboga.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: phogwana?

Le gagamatsa MS MAKWINJA: Nnyaa, go gagamatsa phogwana ga ke go itse.

MR SPEAKER: We have run out of time for questions, let us now move to Motions.
MOTION FOR THE ADJOURNMENT - DEFINITE MATTER OF URGENT PUBLIC IMPORTANCE Amendment of Section 58 (2) (a) of the Constitution of the Republic of Botswana Motion (Resumed Debate) MR SPEAKER: Order!

Order!

Honourable Members, the debate is resuming.

When the House adjourned yesterday, I had called upon, all of us to put the question on the amendment by Honourable Keorapetse.

Remember Honourable Members...(Inaudible)… by Honourable Keorapetse.
The question therefore, the amendment by is on Honourable Members Honourable Keorapetse.

HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… MR SPEAKER: I think in order to avoid any doubt, we are going to call upon each Member by name, so 8 Hansard No 205Friday 8th April, 2022MOTION FOR THE ADJOURNMENT – DEFINITE MATTER OF URGENT PUBLIC IMPORTANCE that you vote once and for all.

Clerks, can you prepare to call Honourable Members one by one and see how many agree with the issues proposed by honourable.
HONOURABLE MEMBER: Mr Speaker, ga ke a utlwa, maranyana a... MR SPEAKER: Ga o a utlwa eng?

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Maranyane a a thata Mr Speaker.

HONOURABLE MEMBERS: ...(Murmurs)... HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ga ke a utlwa gore go tlhophiwa eng.

MR SPEAKER: Motion wa gago Honourable Keorapetse.

MR KEORAPETSE: Oh, thank you so much.

MR SPEAKER: Motion wa gago.

MR KEORAPETSE: Ee rra ke a leboga.

MR SPEAKER: Ee rra.

MR MOATLHODI: Procedure Mr Speaker.

Ke a leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente.


Ke utlwa morena wa me o re we are voting mo the Motion wa ga Motlotlegi Keorapetse, o letse a gogetse paakanyo ya gagwe kwa morago.

O ne a eleditse go dira amendment mme o ne a e gogela kwa morago, I can still quote him verbatim, a re “for the sake of progress, I withdraw my amendment.” HONOURABLE MEMBER: That is correct, you are correct the bold and the beautiful.
MR SPEAKER: Ah, is it that, which means that the notes…(Inaudible)…by the Clerks are wrong, because they indicate that the question was being put.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: No, they are not wrong Mr Speaker, procedure.

MR SPEAKER: Jaanong le batla gore re ye to the Hansard.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Procedure Mr Speaker.

MR SPEAKER: Fa e le gore procedure o batla go mpolelela your own understanding, it is not going to help us.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Nnyaa, ke busetsa Ntlo mo tseleng Mr Speaker.
MR TSHERE: Thank you and good morning Mr Speaker.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: A ko o iketle pele Motlotlegi Tshere.

MR TSHERE: They were confusing yes, Honourable Keorapetse maabane has withdrawn Motion that he had put.

Mme e ne e se o, ole o ne o bua ka go oketsa nako to four hours, he then withdraw it a re ga o na support.

O one re ne re tsamaya gone fa re tsamayang teng fela, o gata sentle Mr Speaker.

Ke a leboga.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Very true!

Very true!


HONOURABLE MEMBER: A re tlhophe, o mo tseleng Mr Speaker.

MR SPEAKER: ...(Inaudible)…understand what the position as gathered by the Honourable Members is.

There were two Motions, one by the extension by two hours, which was withdrawn.

The next one was to increase the number of elected members by 10...(Inaudible)… from the office and ...(Inaudible)... put the question.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ke gone fa re tsamayang teng gone foo.
HONOURABLE MEMBER: That Motion was withdrawn Mr Speaker, you can ...(Inaudible)… the Hansard.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Never withdrawn.

HONOURABLE MEMBERS: ...(Murmurs)... HONOURABLE MEMBER: Mong wa Motion o teng kana.

HONOURABLE MEMBERS: ...(Murmurs)... MR SPEAKER: Nnyaa, right now Honourable Members to have clarity.

Honourable Keorapetse… I want HONOURABLE MEMBERS: ...(Murmurs)... MR SPEAKER: Can you please keep quiet!

Can you please keep quiet and listen to what I am asking.
You cannot answer a question which has not been asked, because you understand the question I am putting, do not just answer.

Honourable Keorapetse?

MR KEORAPETSE: Rra.

9 Hansard No 205Friday 8th April, 2022MOTION FOR THE ADJOURNMENT – DEFINITE MATTER OF URGENT PUBLIC IMPORTANCE MR SPEAKER: You heard the Honourable Deputy Speaker saying you withdrew the Motion about increasing the number of elected Members by 10, you withdrew that one.

The other Members and the Clerks at the table have a contrary view.
A o ne o boetse morago Tshutiso ya gago ya go oketsa dipalo tsa Mapalamente a a tlhophiwang ke batlhophi?

Tshutiso eo a o ne o e boetse morago?

MR KEORAPETSE: Nnyaa rra, ke ne ke sa e boela morago.

MR SPEAKER: I do not want to waste any more time.

I believe the Clerks are correct.

So that is the Motion Honourable Members we are voting on.

HONOURABLE MEMBERS: ...(Murmurs)... MR SPEAKER: Honourable Healy, you are being called to vote.
CLERK: MEMBER’S NAME His Excellency Dr Masisi Honourable Autlwetse Honourable Balopi Honourable Boko Honourable Brooks Honourable Billy Honourable Dr Dikoloti Honourable Dr Dow Honourable Gare Honourable Dr Gobotswang Honourable Greeff Honourable Hikuama Honourable Kablay Honourable Kapinga Honourable Kekgonegile Honourable Keorapetse Honourable Kereng Honourable Kgafela Honourable Khama Honourable Dr Kwape Honourable Lesedi Honourable Lelatisitswe Honourable Lesaso Honourable Dr Letsholathebe Honourable Letsholo Honourable Leuwe Honourable Lucas Honourable Majaga Honourable Makwinja Honourable Manake 10 AYE NO ABSTAIN ABSENT √ √ √ √ √ √ √ √ √ √ √ √ √ √ √ √ √ √ √ √ Hansard No 205Friday 8th April, 2022MOTION FOR THE ADJOURNMENT – DEFINITE MATTER OF URGENT PUBLIC IMPORTANCE Honourable Mangwegape-Healy Honourable Mathoothe Honourable Dr Matsheka Honourable Mmolotsi Honourable Mmusi Honourable Moabi Honourable Moagi Honourable Moatlhodi Honourable Modukanele Honourable Mokgethi Honourable Molale Honourable Molao Honourable Molebatsi Honourable Monnakgotla Honourable Morwaeng Honourable Moswaane Honourable Motaosane Honourable Motsamai Honourable Mthimkhulu Honourable Mzwinila Honourable Nkawana Honourable Pule Honourable Rakgare Honourable Ramogapi Honourable Reatile Honourable Regoeng Honourable Saleshando Honourable Segokgo Honourable Serame Honourable Shamukuni Honourable Thiite Honourable Dr Tshabang Honourable Tshere His Honour Tsogwane √ √ √ √ √ √ √ √ √ √ √ √ √ √ √ √ √ √ √ √ √ √ √ √ √ √ √ √ √ √ MR SPEAKER: The results of your voting; the ‘Ayes’, 16, the ‘Noes’, 34, ‘Absent’, 14.
So the Noes have it.

Amendment negated.

MR SPEAKER: We can go back to debate the original Motion.

…Silence… MR SPEAKER: The floor is open.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Mr Speaker, ke tsaya ke re list ya rona e santse e le ka koo fa o ntse o bula floor.

MR SPEAKER: Ga ke itse gore ba e isitse kae.

11 Hansard No 205Friday 8th April, 2022MOTION FOR THE ADJOURNMENT – DEFINITE MATTER OF URGENT PUBLIC IMPORTANCE MR NKAWANA (SELEBI PHIKWE EAST): Ke lebogela gore o bo o mphile sebaka se Mr Speaker.
Ke supe gore re maswabi gore ba ba busang e bo e re mo sebakeng sa gompieno re santse re letetse population census, e e leng gore ke yone e ka bong e re guide; guiding ditlhabololo tsotlhe, go abiwa ga dikgaolo le go nna teng ga Mapalamente e le bontlha bongwe jwa ditlhabololo, e bo e le gore bone ba ikgatholosa seo morago ga gore go bo go sentswe madi a a kanakana a re setseng re boleletswe gore a a dirisiwa go bala batho gore ditlhabololo di tle di tswe mo go one.
Go utlwisa botlhoko, e bile go tlhabisa ditlhong gore go bo go na le batho ba ba tshabang dipalo ka tsela e e makatsang, fa o ba lebile, e bile re ka bo re ka ba fa maina.

Go na le bolwetse bongwe ke jole gatwe bo bidiwa arrhythmia phobia.

Ke gore motho yo o lwalang botwetse jo re mmitsa re re o arrhythmia phobic.
Jaanong bo ntsalake go lebega bo ba tlhasetse botlhe, fa gotwe go ya go tliwa ka dipalo, ba a sia, ba tla fela ba tshogile ka palo e ba e tsayang mo phefong ba bo ba e marega ba re e salwe morago.

Go sa lebelelwa gore tota ene four yo wa bone, go ya go dirwang ka ene, a neelwa mang.

Re tshwanetse ra itse gore jaanong gompieno babusi are politicising constituencies gore di abiwa jang.

Ba tshabile dipalo jaanong ba dirisa dikgoka.


Mr Speaker, kgang e e tona kana ke gore, batho ba batla kemedi, segolo jang mo dikgaolong tse ditona.

Ke gore gompieno jaana fa re ka tsaya ene four yo ba tlang ka ene, yo re setseng re na le dipelaelo gore ba batla go mo isa kae, o bo o re o lebelela dikgaolo tse ditona, di feta 10 fa o di bala.
Bone ba tla ka four yo ba ipoleletseng gore tshwetso ya bone ke gore, ka e bile ke ba dikgoka, ba tlaa mo dirisa kwa bone ba ratang teng go tsweledisa sepolotiki sa bone.

Batho ba re tshwanetse go ba kgala gone jaana, le setšhaba se ba tlhoboge, se bone e le batho ba ba senang boammaaruri, ba maikaelelo a bone e leng go ikoketsa.

Re a itse gore dikgaolo tse ba batlang go di neela four yo, ke tse ba nang le tumelo ya gore koo ba na le tlhopho e ntsi.
Batswana ba ba lebile, mme e bile ke tlaa kopa Batswana gore ba tle ba ba time tlhopho gone ka koo.

Mr Speaker, re na le dikgaolo tse re ka di balololang mo lefatsheng la Botswana tse di nang le batho, mme sebe sa phiri ke gore ga re na tsone dipalo tse re di letetseng.

Jaaka ke ne ke bua maabane, fa o tlola o ya kwa kgaolong ya ga Honourable Kapinga, e bophara jo bo gakgamatsang.

Fa o tsena kwa Ngami, o bophara jo bo gakgamatsang.
Fa o tsena mo kgaolong ya ga Honourable Kablay, ene yo o ntseng a re no, o palelwa ke go tshwara diphuthego fa go tswetswe gore a akaretse metse ya gagwe yotlhe.

Go a tshosa, go a gakgamatsa gore motho yo e leng gore o tshwaragane le bothata e le Mopalamente, e bile a nna a lela a re, “a re okelediweng madi, kana rona Mapalamente ga re tsamae ka dikoloi tse dintsho, jaanong re okeletseng re tle re kgone go tsamaya kwa dikgaolong tse ditona, di a re palela,” mme fa gotwe go a thusiwa, a bo a ema fela, no.
Mr Speaker, mo ke gone go supa, ga ke itse gore a lefoko la teng le siame, mme ke boitimokanyi fela jo e leng gore ke jwa sepolotiki.

Re ka bo gompieno re tlhoafala re itse gore re batla go direla batho ba ba re romileng, e seng gore re bo re tla mo Palamenteng re lebelela gore nnyaa, nna mo Gaborone ka gore constituency ya me ke kgona go e digela ka letsatsi, e bo e le gore nnyaa, re tsamaya le bone bao.

Ga se mongwe le mongwe yo e leng gore o emetse kgaolo e e tshwanang le e e mo toropong.
Kgaolo ya ga His Honour the Vice President (VP) e tona thata, mme e bile ene tiro ya gagwe e ntsi mo go gakgamatsang, ka gore o tshwere maemo a a tshwanang a bo VP.

Ga a kgone go ya go bua le batho ba gagwe, mme o ne a tshwanetse gore o ka bo a dumalana le rona gore e re ka setšhaba se mo file maemo a, go nne le kgaolo e go ka nnang le yo o ka kgonang go buelela batho ba a sa kgoneng go bua le bone mo dikgweding tse pedi, kgotsa mo ngwageng.
Ke bua jaana Mr Speaker, ke gakgametse gore a go na le motho fela yo e leng gore e kare a ntse a itse, a bo a dirisa sepolotiki a re ka gore re teilwe gatwe kwa caucus re ya go bua ka four, mme re se ka ra bo ra feta foo.

Bone batho ba ba balang go ema ka four, kana ke gore go raya gore six, seven, eight go ya go tsena kwa go 10, ga se dipalo tse ba ka gorogang kwa go tsone.

Ke dipalo tse ba di utlwang e le gore tse di kwa godimo thata.
Mo go bone e le gore dikgang tse di ntseng jaana, ba di dira ka gore e a bo e le taelo ya party.

Party e ga e direle setšhaba sentle.

Setšhaba sa Botswana se utlwile botlhoko.

Ba letse ba letsa bosigo kwa go rona, ba re ga ba na kemedi, ba ne ba na le tsholofelo.

E bile re beile tsholofelo ya rona mo go reng e tlaa re mo palobathong e e tlang ya gompieno, baemedi ba okediwe gore re tle re kgone go ba bona segaufi.

MR LUCAS: Clarification.


Tota Rre Nkawana, go lebega o kare go na le ba ba reng go oketsa ka four ke palo e nnyennyane thata.

Ba bangwe ba bo ba re fa o oketsa ka 10, ke palo e ntsi thata.

Bangwe ba bone ke ba maDomkrag bo Rre Motaosane le bo Rre Leuwe.

A mme ga o bone gongwe go ne go ka tshwanela gore re 12 Hansard No 205Friday 8th April, 2022MOTION FOR THE ADJOURNMENT – DEFINITE MATTER OF URGENT PUBLIC IMPORTANCE ko re ba leke ka six re tle re ba bone sentle batho ba?
Gongwe you should consider to amend the Motion gore a re oketseng ka six.

Ke ne ke batla go ba bona mebala ya bone.

MR NKAWANA: Kgang e tona ke yone gore kana fa re bua le bone kwa thoko, ke bo marorongwane, segolo jang bone maDomkrag a dikgaolo tse ditona.

Ba tshaba gore ba tlaa tseelwa dikgato ka gore kwa thoko ba a supa, ba ba sa tswang go balololwa, le ba bangwe fela ba a supa gore tota fela gone mme four o monnyennyane thata.
HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… MR NKAWANA: Gongwe go ne go ka thusa fa e ne e le gore Mr Speaker, ga ke a tshwara General Orders, ke ka bo ke ne ke ema ka tsone le nna ke sutisa Motion wa gore gongwe re wele golo gongwe fa gare.

Ke tlaa kopa bakaulengwe ba ba kwa morago, ba ba iseng ba akgele, ba ba dumalanang le nna gore four o kwa tlase, gongwe ba sutise Motion o o fa garenyana, o o kareng bo Honourable Leuwe ba mo go one moono wa teng, mme ba a tshaba.

Gore gongwe wa opposition a tle a o sutise.


HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… MR NKAWANA: Re ba ntshe mo mathateng a go tlhoka gore ba rile ba ya go emela batho, a bo ba sa emele batho.

Mr Speaker, ke supe gone moo gore Population Census e etla.

Ga e ka ke ya re thusa sepe mo ditlhabololong le fa gone re setse re sentse madi a a kalokalo ka tsholofelo ya gore fa e tla, e tlile go re thusa go re tsenya mo tseleng gore re tlhoka eng, kwa kae.
Batho ba tlhokana le ditlhabololo tse di ntseng jang, kwa kae, ba tlhokana le kemedi e e ntseng jang, kwa kae, go simolola ka Makhanselara go ya go tsena kwa Mapalamenteng.

Le mo badirelapusong tota Population Census, ke yone e ka supang gore re ka tsena badirelapuso ba le kae, re tlhokana le ditsela tse di ntseng jang, kwa kae.
Re tlhokana le dikole tse di ntseng jang, kwa kae, re beile mo palobathong, e seng maikutlo a motho fela a tsoga a bo a re ke tla ka four, a bo a ema fela foo a gagamala a re ke tla ka four.

Le re le a mo gakolola gore nnyaa, mokaulengwe re a go utlwa gore o na le mogopolo le keletso, le mowa wa go thusa batho, mme fela fa a badile go ya go tsena ka four, o tshwana le phologotswana e nngwe re e utlwaletse e gotweng e ema ka three ka gore ga o ka ke wa mo sutisa, fa a setse a eme mo go three o eme.
Ke kopa gore bakaulengwe ba le tlang kwa morago, mogopolo wa gore re leke go tsholetsa gore re thuse dikgaolo tse di kwa ntle, tse di tlhokanang le kemedi e e tlhoafetseng, mongwe a tswe ka Motion o o ntseng jalo.

Fa ke ne ke tshwere Standing Orders, ke ka bo ke ne ke di dirisa.

Ke go leboge Mr Speaker.

MR MOABI (TATI WEST): Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

Ke dumedise batlotlegi mo Ntlong e Mr Speaker.

Batswana le ba kgaolo e ke tswang kwa go yone ke ba dumedise.
Ke supe gongwe mo tshimologong fa ke ema nokeng Tshutiso e, e re neng re sa tswa go e bewa pele ke Mopalamente wa Gaborone Bokone, Motlotlegi Mpho Balopi.

Ke mo ema nokeng ka mabaka a a nonofileng a ke dumelang mo go one, e bile a a nang le dipalo tse ke tlaa supang mabaka a teng go ya pele.

Mr Speaker, ke batla gore gongwe ke tle ke supe sengwe fa.

Ke utlwa batlotlegi ba kganetso ba bua ka go abiwa ga dikgaolo.
Ke tle ke supe ke re, gompieno ga re mo kgannyeng ya go aba dikgaolo, re mo kgannyeng ya go oketsa dikgaolo.

Ya gore dikgaolo di ya go abiwa jang, di ya go isiwa kae, ga re mo go yone.

Eo e tlaa tla e dirwa ke ba ba maleba ka nako e e tshwanetseng.

Ke utlwile gore we are guided ke eng gore re oketse dikgaolo.
Ke tseela gore fa o le Mopalamente, o le morongwa wa batho o bona ka fa re golang ka teng, ka fa lefatshe le dipalo di golang ka teng, o tlaa tshwanelwa le wena go akanya kana go bona go tshwanela gore gongwe re kaelwe ke dipalo tse di neng tsa oketsega, gongwe jaaka re ne re oketsa dipalo ka 2012 jaana.

Mr Speaker, ke ne ke utlwa Mapalamente ba bangwe ba supa gore fa gongwe go dirwa dilo ka lepotlapotla.
Fa o le moeteledipele yo o tebelopele, o tshwanetse dilo tse dingwe wa di akanyetsa kwa pele, wa nna o le malalaalaotswe.

Dilo tse dingwe ga se gore di dirwa ka lepotlapotla, re a bo re lebetse pele, re itse se re se dirang, e le rona gongwe ba phathi e e tsamaisang Puso e. Mr Speaker, kgang ya dipalo jaaka ba ne ba supa, mongwe le mongwe o ka tswa a na le dipalo tsa gagwe ka fa a akanyang ka teng.

Kgang e re e lebileng gompieno ke four.


Ke ka tswa gongwe ke eletsa gore re ka oketsa ka 14, re ka oketsa ka bokae ke lebile dipalo tsa rona tsa lefatshe la Botswana, mme mo seemong se re leng mo go sone, re itebeletse seemo sa rona, itsholelo ya rona gore re ka kgona dikgaolo di le four.

Kana go oketswa ga dikgaolo, le gone go ya go dira gore budget ya lefatshe e fetoge.

Mme re a go eletsa gore go nne teng ka lebaka la gore go ya go oketsa ditiro mo lefatsheng la Botswana.
Go ya go oketsa le dingwe tse di neng di seyo.

Kgang 13 Hansard No 205Friday 8th April, 2022MOTION FOR THE ADJOURNMENT – DEFINITE MATTER OF URGENT PUBLIC IMPORTANCE ya 10 e ne e se bothata e bile re ne re sa ganane le yone re sena mabaka.

Mabaka ke gore re lebeletse se re se tshwereng gone jaana, re lebeletse itsholelo ya lefatshe.

Ke tle ke fete ka yone eo Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, gore batlotlegi dilo tse dingwe le bone ba tshwanetse go nna ba ntse ba di akanyetsa kwa pele.
Le Batswana ke eletsa gore ba tle ba lemoge fa dinako tse dingwe re eletsa go tlisa ditlhabololo le diphetogo kwa go bone, mme ba phathi ya kganetso mo Ntlong e, e le bone ba ba kganelang gore ditlhabololo di ka ya kwa bathong.

Fa re bua ka go oketsa, re bua ka ditlhabololo, mme bone ba re go se ka ga okediwa.

Mr Speaker, ke na le mabaka a a nonofileng gore ke eng ke re go oketswe dikgaolo di nne four.
Fa o ka lebelela lefatshe la rona kwa le tswang teng, e rile ka 1966, re tsaya boipuso, dipalo tsa rona di ne di tsamaya kwa go 571 000.

E rile census ya rona ya ntlha ya 1971, re ne ra oketsega, re supa fa re le lefatshe re gola.

Re ne ra nna 596 000.

Ga ke na go bua ka 81, 91.

2001 go ne ga lemogiwa re le 1.6 million.

Re ne ra gola ka 2011, re ipone re le 2 million.

Ka 2002, go ne ga oketswa dipalo tsa constituencies, re lebile kgolo e e teng.
Mo go tshwana le gompieno jaana, re tshwanetse ra oketsa dipalo tsa constituencies, re lebile ka fa re golang ka teng.

E bile fa re oketsa dipalo tsa constituencies le Gross Domestic Product (GDP) ya rona e ya go oketsega.

Lebelela the GDP sector ya service ka fa e leng ka teng gompieno, contributing ka teng mo GDP ya lefatshe gompieno.

Service ke yone e e kwa godimo, mme go oketsega ga dikgaolo le gone go ya go dira gore go oketsege.
Mr Speaker, fa ke ntse ke tsweletse, ke tsere malebela mo mafatsheng a mangwe a a mabapi le rona, a a mo region ya rona, jaaka mongwe maloba a sa tswa go supa fa, lefatshe la Namibia, ke lefatshe le gongwe ka dipalo le tsamaelanang le rona.

Le na le constituencies di le 114, lefatshe la Lesotho le 2.1 million le na le constituencies di le 8, lefatshe la Eswatini Mr Speaker, le dipalo tse di kwa tlase, le na le constituencies di le 59.

Jaaka ba ya ditlhophong next year, ba ya go oketsa ka six.
Mauritius Mr Speaker, e na le constituencies di le 21.

Ke ne ke e fa sekai ke supa Mr Speaker, go tshwanela gore le rona re le lefatshe la... HONOURABLE MEMBER: Correction.

MR MOABI: Yes, Leader of the Opposition (LOO).

Mr Speaker, ke mo fa tshono.

MR SALESHANDO: Correction.

Just a small correction, o tsamaya o bua palo ya constituencies kwa mafatsheng a mangwe, but o ka bo o lebelela gore go na le total number of Members of Parliament (MP).
For example, kwa Lesotho total number of MPs, ke 120, kwa Mauritius, ke 70.

Ke go baakanyetsa fela foo, ka gore o bua ka tsa constituency basis, but ba na le ba ba tsenang ka constituency kwa Namibia, le ba ba tsenang ka list kwa mafatsheng a mangwe; a ke re kwa Lesotho ba ba tsenang ka list le ba ba tsenang ka constituencies.

So now the correct number ya Lesotho is 120, ya Mauritius is 70, mme Mauritius population ya teng e le only 1.2 million.

MR MOABI: Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.


Ke tsaya gore ga se correction LOO, ka gore gompieno ke bua ka constituencies; constituencies tse ke buang ka tsone ke tsone.

Wena o ka tswa o bua ka Mapalamente, pharologanyo ya me le wena ke constituencies.

Ke gone mo ke reng ga se correction, ka gore correction o ka bo o supa ke bua dipalo tse e seng tsone Honourable LOO.

Mr Speaker, ke ema nokeng Tshutiso e ka mabaka a ke sa tswang go a baya pele.
Ke baya pele mabaka a a tshwanang a, ke lebile fa lefatshe la rona le gola le gore dipalo tse re neng re eletsa gore gongwe di ka nna 10 ka nako eo, mme seemo sa rona sa lefatshe re eme ka tsela e e ntseng jang.

Mr Speaker, ke supe fa ke ema nokeng Tshutiso e ka mabaka a. Ke sutele ba bangwe Mr Speaker, ke a leboga.

MR SPEAKER: Honourable Rakgare followed by Honourable Tshere.

MINISTER OF YOUTH EMPOWERMENT, SPORT AND CULTURE DEVELOPMENT (MR RAKGARE): Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.
Ke simolole fela ka go supa Mr Speaker gore, this Motion o tlaa lala o supile gore re farologana jang le bagarona ba kganetso.

O tlaa supa Mr Speaker, gore re farologana jang le bone thata re lebile gore e ne ya re fa Honourable Balopi a tla ka Motion o, ba tla ka amendment ba re ba batla constituencies di le lesome.

Golo mo Mr Speaker, potso e motho a ka e ipotsang, ke gore ra reng ka ditlhabololo tsa metse ya rona le tsa lefatshe tse di tlhokang madi?
Ra reng Mr Speaker, ka tse re tlholang re bua ka tsone re le Batlotlegi Mapalamente mo Palamenteng e, re lebile go oketsa clinics kana go aga dipatela, ditsela, go tsisa metsi mo dikgaolong, go oketsa dituelo tsa badirelapuso le go tlhabolola lefatshe la Botswana le Batswana, ra reng ka tseo Mr Speaker?

Ba reng ka gore fa ba re constituencies di okediwe di nne lesome, mme golo moo go ya go lopa Puso bokae.
14 Hansard No 205Friday 8th April, 2022MOTION FOR THE ADJOURNMENT – DEFINITE MATTER OF URGENT PUBLIC IMPORTANCE Ke ne ke ithaya ke re yo o neng a tla ka Tshutiso ya gore go baakanngwe Motion go dirwe 10, o tlaa tla ka mabaka compelling reasons why a rialo, but go padile Mr Speaker.
Go padile go pala, mme kana golo mo go tsweledisa their pledges tsa 2019 tsa gore ba ya go tlhama ditiro di le 100 000, gore ba ya go di tlhama jang, fa o reetsa ka fa ba buang ka teng go gontsi mo o ka go lebelelang gore nnyaa mo ga se boammaaruri.

Ba re ba ya go nna le living wage e e tlaabong e le P3, 000, fa o re o a botsa gore gone the workforce, dipalo tsa teng di kae, le tlaabo le duela jang, what would be the cost to Government fa le bua ka P3, 000 o, ga gona ope yo o buang.
Bana ba tertiary ba ya go duelwa P2, 500 mongwe le mongwe wa bone, mme fa o re o a botsa ba kae gompieno?

The cost to Government e tlaabo e le bokae, ga ba kgone go bua.
Clearly Mr Speaker, fa e ne e le gore Umbrella for Democratic Change (UDC) e ka bo e tsere Puso, fa o lebelela governance fela ka bophara mo lefatsheng la Botswana, ke ka go raya ke re it would be shambolic, because golo fa go na le mathata a gore ga ba na kgakololo e e tseneletseng ya gore fa o lebile itsholelo ka fa e tsamaisiwang ka teng, e tshwanetse e tsamaisiwe ka tsela e e ntseng jang.
Re ema nokeng mogopolo wa ga Honourable Balopi, ka gore o supa fa gore constituencies di nne nne mme re utlwa mabaka.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification.

MR SPEAKER: ...(Inaudible)... MR RAKGARE: Thank you Mr Speaker.

Mr Speaker, ke ka bo ke itumela fa batlotlegi ba bua ka gore re na le Makhanselara.
Re gaufi le batho ke boammaaruri Mr Speaker, ga go na batho ba ba gaufi le batho jaaka Batlotlegi Makhanselara fa re bua ka batlhophi ba rona, re tshwanetse re bone gore how do we empower Makhanselara, re tshwanetse re bone gore re dira jang go oketsa dikgaolwana (wards) in our constituencies gore re nne le batho ba le bantsi gone koo ba e leng baemedi ba ba tlaabong ba le gaufi le batlhophi.

Ga ba bue jalo bagarona ba kganetso, ba batla gore constituencies di okediwe ka 10, gore ba ye go lwa sentle.
Jaaka gompieno ba losiwa fela ke Bophirima, ward fela ya ward, e a ba losa.

Ward e e leng gore fa o lebelela ditlhopho tse di fetileng tsa 2019, go ne go tlhophile batho ba sa fete 1, 500, ba losiwa fela ke batlhophi ba le 1, 500.

O bo o ipotsa gore tota batho ba gatwe ba tlile go kgona eng Mr Speaker.

Jaanong re dumalana le four o, ka gore this four is informed, Honourable Balopi o ne a dira research ya gagwe, o dirile mo go lekaneng gore gompieno re bo re ka dumalana le ene.
Lebaka le lengwe Mr Speaker, ke gore... HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification.

MR RAKGARE: Nnyaa, iketle pele wena o batla go ntia.

Ke kopa go bona nako Mr Speaker, kana e tšhaile.

Ke itse gore e a bo e tšhaa, mme go gontsinyana mo ke batlang go go bua.

Ga ke kgone go bona nako fa.

MR RAKGARE: His Honour the Vice President (VP), fa e le ene ke a mo neela Mr Speaker.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Go setse four minutes, 20 seconds.

HIS HONOUR THE VICE PRESIDENT (MR TSOGWANE): Clarification.
Ka o ntse o supa mabaka e bile o supa batho ba ka fa gongwe ba buang ka teng gore ba ka bo ba rotloediwa (influence) ke eng, gongwe o re thuse fa gore ga o bone go tshwanela gore fa batho ba tshwana le bone ba kgaogana ba le phathi e nngwefela, mme ba kgaogana dikgaolo ka diphathi, go maleba gore ba tlaa batla tse dintsi gore di kgone go ba lekana, ka gore otherwise UDC will have a problem ya gore ba ya go kgaoganya jang dikgaolonyana tse.

Thank you.

MR RAKGARE: Ke one mafoko ao Your Honour.


Ke kope Mr Speaker, ke kgone go bona nako ya me sentle.

MR SPEAKER: The time is on your screen.

MR RAKGARE: Se se diragalang fa ke gore, o ipotsa gore fa ba bua ka constituencies tse di lesome tse ba reng go okediwe ka tsone, ba batla gore ba tswelele gape ba ye go lwa e bile ba tswelele to exclude women and youth.
Mo Palamenteng e ya rona gompieno, ga ba na le fa e le mme a le mongwefela, go tlhamaletse UDC ke phathi e e sa dumeleng gore bomme ba ka etelela pele.

Kwa kgaolong ya ga Honourable Healy, go ne go eme motho wa mme... HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: A whole VP.

MR RAKGARE: Yes, granted Honourable Healy.

MR RAKGARE: A whole former Police Commissioner a bua fela a sa supiwa, a ...(Interruptions)… MR MANGWEGAPE-HEALY: Clarification.

Mr Speaker, through you.


15 Hansard No 205Friday 8th April, 2022MOTION FOR THE ADJOURNMENT – DEFINITE MATTER OF URGENT PUBLIC IMPORTANCE HONOURABLE MEMBER: Point of order.

MR SPEAKER: There is a point of order, wait Honourable Healy.

MR BOKO: Order!

Thank you Mr Speaker.

Mr Speaker, le tlaa nkgakolola gongwe fa ke dule mo tseleng.
Ga ke bone gore go tlaabo go siame gore a whole Minister, le fa gongwe re nyatsa gore o nnile Minister ka tsela e e ntseng jang, a bo a ema mo Palamenteng a re re le ba UDC re na le lenyatso le le kalokalo mo go bomme, ka gore ga re a ka ra ba... HONOURABLE MEMBER: Boko ga re mo utlwe sentle, o mo nkgwaneng ne monna?

MR BOKO: Mr Speaker, can I speak?

A bo a bua mafoko a a re leswafatsang, a a re senya e bile ga a re beye sentle mo setšhabeng.
Mr Speaker, boammaaruri jwa kgang ke gore... MR SPEAKER: Honourable Boko, ke afe mafoko ao?

MR BOKO: A gore ga re tlotle bomme, ga re tlotlomatse bomme, re paletswe ke go ba tsenya mo Palamenteng Mr Speaker.

Ga re a itsenya mo Palamenteng, re tsentswe ke batlhophi.

Go raya gore bomme ba rona ba ka tswa ba sa tsenngwa ke batlhophi mo Palamenteng.

I think golo ga teng ga go na ... HONOURABLE MEMBER: Hei!

Motho yo o a re dia wa itse.

MR SPEAKER: It is politics.


MR BOKO: Okay Mr Speaker, I will speak politics later on, no problem.

MR RAKGARE: Mr Speaker, kwa kgaolong ya ga Honourable Healy, kwa Gaborone Central, go ne go eme motho wa mme, yo o tswang kwa Botswana Congress Party (BCP).

A bone kgaolo ya Gaborone Central.

O lwantshitswe, a rogwa, go rogwa leadership ya Congress Party.

UDC e lwa ka constituency e go emeng mme mo go yone.

MR MANGWEGAPE-HEALY: Clarification.

Thank you very much Honourable Rakgare.


Just a quick one; dikgang tse re di bonang kwa Bophirima, Honourable Saleshando o betšholotse, o tenegile, o dule mo UDC ka gore go eme motho wa mme, candidate ya UDC.

Would you say golo mo ke one of dikai tse di tshelang tsa ka fa e leng gore especially bone ba BCP, o kare ba na le mathata le leadership ya bomme?

I thank you.

MR RAKGARE: Thank you very much Honourable Healy.

Ke buile gore UDC ga se party, ke matshamekwane, ke mantlwane.
Le o bona honourable ... MR BOKO: Point of order.

Thank you Mr Speaker.

Mr Speaker, ga ke itse gore ke ka bua jang le Honourable Rakgare ka fa a buisang party ya UDC ka teng.

Ke tsaya ke re Mr Speaker, for him to stand in Parliament, I do not know if this is politics because if it is, I am going to talk politics about their President.

A ema a re party ya UDC ke mantlwane, cannot be right Mr Speaker.
He cannot be correct, but if this is politics, I can ... HONOURABLE MEMBER: Dumelang o tseela malomaago party.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: This is not procedure.

He is debating.

MR BOKO: I said point of order.

I never said point of procedure.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Tsoga maroko, Dumelang o tseela malomaago party.

O lese go ngalela dilo tse di senang... HONOURABLE MEMBER: Lesa go omana monna, ga go ngalwe mo Palamenteng.

MR BOKO: I can attest to that Mr Speaker, I can speak politics.

I can do that.
I can do that.

I am more than capable of speaking politics.

MR SPEAKER: Honourable Boko, re a go utlwa ka gore tota fa o tsaya nako o bua ka go nyenyafatsa batho ba bangwe, ga go go thuse ka sepe.

So, you are right, people should desist from this, they are just... MR BOKO: I can speak politics.

I am more than capable.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: When your time comes, you will speak.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: O ngaletse eng Boko?

Calm down!

Calm down!

Calm down!


HONOURABLE MEMBER: Use that energy to talk to Dumelang about your party that he has taken from you.

MR BOKO: I am not supposed to attend to people ba ba tlogetseng sekole mo tseleng.

Mr Speaker, can we proceed.

Thank you.

16 Hansard No 205Friday 8th April, 2022MOTION FOR THE ADJOURNMENT – DEFINITE MATTER OF URGENT PUBLIC IMPORTANCE MR MANGWEGAPE-HEALY: That is all you can ever say.

You have nothing to say.


O ka bo o le modisa kwa Mmaphashalala monna fa o ne o sa tsena sekole.

It has saved you.

Jaanong go a go tlhantsha.

MR SPEAKER: Ke ba boleletse gore ba supe nako all the time.

Ga ke itse gore mathata a tswa fa kae.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: O feditse motho yo.

O feditse le ene.

MR RAKGARE: Iketle pele Honourable Healy.

Mr Speaker, ke tlhaloganya Setswana thata.

Lefoko ‘mantlwane’ ga se tlhapa.

Ditiragalo tse di kwa UDC di a supa gore ba mo mantlwaneng.
You cannot have a whole President and a whole Vice President (VP) ba... HONOURABLE MEMBER: Boela mo setlhogong Honourable Minister.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Go buiwa ka dikgaolo, o mo setlhogong.

MR KAPINGA: Point of order.

Mr Speaker, ke utlwe mo go wena gore a o tlaa tswelela o letlelela boitshwaro jo Healy a bo dirang go fitlhelela leng?

Fa o ka tswelela o bo letlelela, a behave jaaka a behave jaana, e tlaa nna o kare you tolerate disorder mo Palamenteng Mr Speaker.
MR MANGWEGAPE-HEALY: Kapinga, you are very selective.

MR RAKGARE: No, that is what you were doing since morning, fa go buiwa ka... MR MANGWEGAPE-HEALY: O nna o tlhodia fa Kapinga, o le motona, o le Ramapodise.

MR SPEAKER: Honourable Members, certainly the interjections from Honourable Healy are not acceptable.

The Standing Orders are quite clear about who speaks when and who is on the floor.

To give himself the floor as and when he wishes, that is disorderly.
You are right Honourable Ambassador Kapinga, if that continues, we must find a way of dealing with him.

MR MMOLOTSI: Go batla re tlholwa gore a re itekanetse mo ditlhaloganyong.

MR MANGWEGAPE-HEALY: Jaanong ba Mr Speaker, are they in order?

MR RAKGARE: Thank you very much Mr Speaker.

Ke ne ke supa gore... MR SPEAKER: Lona ba Information Technology (IT), what has happened to the minutes which always have to be shown?

MR RAKGARE: I cannot find it.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Nako ga e yo mo screen.


HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ga a fetsa, go setse two minutes 18 seconds.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Kapinga, ba ga o ba utlwe ba ba buang ba?

MR RAKGARE: Ke kopa o ba nkgalemelele ke tswelele Mr Speaker, boMathoothe.

Mr Speaker, clearly ditiragalo tsa kwa Bophirima bye-election, di a supa gore go tshamekiwa mantlwane kwa party ya UDC.
You have a whole President of the party e e reng e ka tsaya Puso, ya tsamaisa lefatshe, ba tshwara bokopano jwa Cabinet e e tsamaisang lefatshe, a lwa le VP ya gagwe mo setšhabeng.

Clearly golo moo ke mantlwane Mr Speaker.

Ke bone batho ba ba reng go okediwe dikgaolo di ye kwa go 10.

We cannot accept dikgang tse di ntseng jaana Mr Speaker.

Dikgaolo di le lesome re tshwanetse re itse gore go tewa dituelo tsa Mapalamente a le lesome.

Go tewa go duela staff sa Mapalamente a le lesome.


Mopalamente a le mongwefela o na le batho mo nakong ya gompieno ba le barataro, e le babereki.

Re bua ka rente e e duelwang ya ofisi ya Mopalamente, metsi, motlakase, jalojalo.

What is the cost ya dilo tse tsotlhe, constituencies di le 10?

Honourable Keorapetse o ka bo a ne a supile.

Jaanong rona re eme re ikepela, re eme tsii!

fa go four constituencies.

Re tlogele tse dingwe tse dintsintsi tse e leng gore di a diragala.
Ke buile Mr Speaker, ke batla go fetsa jaana ke re clearly, dikakgelo tse di tswang kwa UDC ke go bua fela.

Ga ke gakgamale ka gore mongwe le mongwe o a ipuelela ka gore ba kgaogane.

Honourable Tshere le Honourable Keorapetse ke maBotswana National Front (BNF).

Go tlhamaletse ke maBNF, ba tlogetse party ya bone, ba e latlheletse.

Ke sone se o utlwang comments tse di ntseng jaana.

Le ene 10 wa ga Honourable Keorapetse, I do not even think gore o tswa kwa BCP.
Ke moemanosi, ke moBNF yo o senang karata mme e le mo BCP ka karata le ene Honourable Tshere.

Ke batho ba e leng gore are confused.

Ga re na kganetso Mr Speaker.

Re ka bo re felela gone fa, re dumalana ka four yo, re bo re tswala kgang e, re tswelela le tse dingwe.

Go a lebega gore baganetsi ga ba yo mo Palamenteng.

Ke ne ke re ka mafoko a a ntseng jalo, ke ema mogopolo o wa dikgaolo di le nne nokeng, a re dire fela jalo Mr Speaker.

Ke a leboga.
Ke a leboga.

17 Hansard No 205Friday 8th April, 2022MOTION FOR THE ADJOURNMENT – DEFINITE MATTER OF URGENT PUBLIC IMPORTANCE MR TSHERE (MAHALAPYE WEST): Thank you Honourable Speaker.

Ga ke na go diega ke araba dikgang tsa ga Honourable Rakgare.

Ke batla ke itebaganye le kgang ya maabane e buiwa, tota ke supa matshwenyego.

E simolotswe ke Honourable Molale, a tladiwa ke Honourable Mthimkhulu, a bo a tladiwa gape ke Honourable Balopi.
E re fa ba bua le Palamente ba bo ba re, re a itse gore le a ganetsa, jaanong yang court.

Fa re bua mo Palamenteng, re nganga jaana, bakaulengwe ba tlaabo ba re, “re a tswelela rona, re a itse, yang court.” Gone mo Mr Speaker, I think it is unparliamentary.

ASSISTANT MINISTER FOR PRESIDENTIAL AFFAIRS, GOVERNANCE AND PUBLIC ADMINISTRATION (MR MTHIMKHULU): Procedure Mr Speaker.

Thank you Mr Speaker.

Honourable Tshere ga a bue boammaaruri tota.


He is misleading this House by saying that I did mention before this House that they should go to court.

I never said that.

I never said they should go to court if they do not agree with us on what we are doing here today.

I never said so.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: O a itatola?

MR MTHIMKHULU: No, he is not telling the truth and he knows.

You should not do that.

MR SPEAKER: Ga ke itse dikgang tsa lona tse dingwe.

MR TSHERE: Thank you Mr Speaker.


Honourable Mthimkhulu nako le nako fa ke mo gakolola dilo tse a di buang, o a ikganetsa.

Jaanong ga go re sepe.

Ga se lantlha re bua kgang e ya gore go bo gotwe fa re sa dumalane, yang court.

Gone moo go tlisa Palamente mo seemong se e leng gore e kare bakaulengwe fa ba nganga le rona, they are not debating in good faith, and gone moo, go tlaa tlhofofatsa Palamente Mr Speaker.
Ke tsaya gore fa re le gone fa, re tshwanetse re bue ka mowa o o etileng, gammogo le gore re ganetsane, re dumalane fa re dumalanang teng ka gore le Batswana ba re reeditse.

Ga ke tseye gore ba ka re raya ba re … (Inaudible)… mafoko a mangwe a a ka tswang go sa dumalanwe le one, bogolo jang court.

Moo ga go a siama gotlhelele.

mabaka a sele a e leng gore o leka go tlhalosa dipalo, ka mokgwa wa teng di a ipuelela.
Dipalo tsa rona di tshwanetse di ipuelele go tswa fela kwa go balweng ga gago, di bo di ipuelela gore ba oketsegile, ka jalo, go tshwanetse go okediwe constituencies ka tsela e e ntseng jaana.

Four yo o ka tswa a le montsi kana monnyennyane jaaka o utlwa bakaulengwe ba bua.

Ke dumela gore constituencies di tshwanetse di okediwe.

Go na le constituencies tse ditona thata, re tshwanetse re di oketse.
Ga ke itse gore ka palo e e kae ka gore re tshwanetse re kaetswe ke dipalo tse e leng gore ga di ise di tle tsa palo batho e e tsweletseng.

Mme ka gore ke bona gore bakaulengwe ba tlile go tswelela fela ba dira jaaka ba batla, se se supa se ke tlholang ke se bua malatsi otlhe ke re party ya Domkrag, nako le nako fa e batla go fetola Molaomotheo, e a o fetola.
Kana gona le ba ba romilweng go sekaseka gore Batswana ba akantse eng, go akaretswa le yone kgang e ya gore Batswana ba akantse gore seats tsa bo Palamente di nne kae.

Nnyaa, ga go kgathalesege, Domkrag fa e batla go fetola Molaomotheo wa lefatshe la Botswana, ga se sepe fela mo go bone.

Jaanong go a supafala le letsatsi la gompieno gore re fetola Molaomotheo ka diamaramara.

Jaanong ka gore le ya go o fetola bakaulengwe, go siame.

A re dumalaneng ka se… MR MMOLOTSI: On a point of elucidation.
Thank you very much Honourable Tshere.

Honourable Tshere, tsamaiso e, e e leng gore census e tsena pele, e ne e le tsamaiso fela e e tlhamaletseng go itsiwe gore census e tsenela gore e tle e inform gore go diragala eng go ya kwa pele ka constituencies, go bo go tsena Delimitation Commission.

Jaanong gore e bo gompieno jaana gotwe census ga e na mosola re bereka ka projections, a ga o bone golo mo e le bolwetse?

After commissioning census, fa maduo a tshwanetse go tla gatwe re bereka ka projections.
Why should we project mme e le gore dipalo di teng di ka nna tsa tswa mo nakong e khutshwanyane mme e bile gape e le gore Motion o ga o ka ke wa fetola molao, re tlile go tshwanelwa ke gore re boele gape mo Palamenteng gore re tle re fetole molao gore golo mo go nne effective?

Why was the Motion important or necessary because ga o ka ke wa dira sepe ka boone?

Mma ke boele mo setlhogong sa Motion o re o tshwereng.
Ke palelwa ke go dumalana le one Mr Speaker ka gore o bua ka palo ya four gore go oketswe seats tsa boPalamente ka fa ba buang ka teng.

Kana gangwe le gape fa re bua ka dipalo Mr Speaker, di tshwanetse gore di ipuelele ka botsone, ga di buelelwe.

Ga o tle ka MR TSHERE: Ke a leboga Honourable Mmolotsi.

Kana ke sone se ke se supang gore ke palelwa ke go ema nokeng ka gore ga go a bewa mo go sepe.
Dipalo jaaka ke bua di a ipuelela, ga o nke o nna fa fatshe o leka go di buelelela, di a ipuelela mokgwa wa tsone fela fa o di atumetsa fa batho ba kgonang go di bona teng.

18 Hansard No 205Friday 8th April, 2022MOTION FOR THE ADJOURNMENT – DEFINITE MATTER OF URGENT PUBLIC IMPORTANCE Jaanong se ke neng ke batla go wela ka sone ke gore ka gore le ya go oketsa jaaka e bile le setse le ipheditse e bile le itumile sekgono e bile fa re gana re ye court.
Re kopa gore kgang e fa re e lebelela, re e lebe sentle ka gore jaaka re oketsa ka dikgaolo di le nne jaana, dilo tse tsa go leka go oketsa dikgaolo mo lefatsheng le, ke dilo tse di ka dirisiwang go bopa kagiso le ledula le le ntle le go tshwaraganya batho ba e leng gore gone jaana re setse re lebega o kare re itaana ka noga e utlwa re le batho mo lefatsheng la Botswana.

Jaanong fa le dira thulaganyo e, re leka go agisanya batho ka yone.
Wena Tona Morwaeng yo o tlaabong o lebagane le kgang e, e re fa e le gore o ya go sega dikgaolo tse, o bone thipa ya gago e tsamaya fa gare tota gore ba ba ka fa le ba ba ka fa go lekane.

Go se ka ga supafala e le gore jaanong thipa ya gago e tsamaetse ka fa borwa fela jaanong e le gore… FOR PRESIDENTIAL MINISTER AFFAIRS, GOVERNANCE AND PUBLIC ADMINISTRATION (MR MORWAENG): On a point of procedure.

Mr Speaker, dikgaolo ga di segwe ke Minister.


Go na le Delimitation Commission, ke yone e e tlaabong e dira thulaganyo eo.

Ke ne ke raya fela gore mokaulengwe a se ka a tloga a timetsa setšhaba.

Ke a leboga.

MR MANGWEGAPE-HEALY: On a point of clarification.

Honourable Tshere, a o ka dumalana gore ultimately Palamente ke yone e nang le responsibility ya go oketsa dikgaolo?
Delimitation Commission le census di fa a guide and then ultimately fela jaaka ka 2012 even though Delimitation Commission made recommendation but Palamente e ne ya bona e le gore ka nako eo ga ba ka ke ba oketsa dikgaolo.

So, do you agree that ultimately, irrespective of the Delimitation Commission and the census, it is the Parliament that decides how many constituencies are going to be added?

I thank you.

MR TSHERE: Thank you very much, exactly that Honourable Healy.
Palamente le yone e tshwanetse to be guided ke dipalo, ga e ka ke ya ntsha mo tlhogong jaaka o bona re dira gone jaana.

Gakere o bona gore mongwe le mongwe o ntsha mo tlhogong, 10, six, golo mo ga go letlelelwe.

Ga re ka ke ra tsamaisa lefatshe le jaana, re tshwanetse to be guided ke dipalo tse di re bontshang gore batho ba kana, mme re bo re dumalana gore re oketse.

Ke a dumela gore tsamaiso ke gore Palamente e e oketse.

Motion o ke go leka ditlhare bothitho fela ka gore re tshwanetse re tle ka Bill.
Bill e tshwanetse go tla mo Palamenteng mo gore re oketse dipalo tsa batho.

Jaanong kana ke ne ke wela ka yone gore e re fa le sega jaaka Tona a itatola mme e ntse e le ene a segang, e le ene rathipana mo kgannyang yone e, e re fa o sega… HONOURABLE MEMBER: Se timetse setšhaba mokaulengwe, Delimitation Commission ke yone… MR TSHERE: E romilwe ke lona Office of the President (OP), jaanong o se ka wa timetsa setšhaba.
Ke wena rathipana mo kgannyeng e. E re fa e le gore o ya go sega jaaka o ya go sega jaana, netefatsa gore golo moo go tshwaraganya lefatshe le ka thulaganyo e o tlaabong o e dira mme go supafala gore le ba ba ka fa ba bona constituencies, two-two gore go supe jaaka re leka go tshwaraganya lefatshe.
Ke kile ka bua fa ke wela Mr Speaker kwa bofelong gore kana gore o bo o bona re tabogile re kgopiwa re wa re bo re re re bala batho ka bonako jo bo kanakana, go direletswe gore primary tsa Botswana Democratic Party (BDP) e re fa di ya go tsena ka December, go bo go setse go kgaogantswe batho.

Jaanong ba a ipaakanya jaaka o bona ba riana.

Domkrag e a ipaakanya bagaetsho.

E re le ora molelo le setsenwa, fa se kgotletsa le eme ka dinao, Domkrag e a ipaakanyetsa, e ipaakanyetsa ditlhopho.
It is fast tracking jaana gore e kgone go dira di-primary kwa dikgaolong tsa rona tse di tserweng ke opposition.

Le ele selo se tlhoko bakaulengwe, bone ba mo tseleng ya go ipaakanyetsa ditlhopho tsa 2024 and ba tlile go gataka melao epe e e teng mo lefatsheng la Botswana gore ba achieve se ba se batlang.
Re eme ka dinao re tle re ipaakanye jaaka ba bua gore ba batla go oketsa dikgaolo le gore go shankudisiwe census le delimitation gore di-primary tsa bone di nne teng, e bo e le gore re ya kwa ditlhophong.

Mo go reng a Motswana …(Inaudible)… ga gona le fa e le sepe Mr Speaker.

Ka jalo, ga ke dumalane le mogopolo o. Ke a leboga.

HIS HONOUR THE VICE PRESIDENT (MR TSOGWANE): Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

Ke dumedise batlotlegi le Batswana botlhe ka kakaretso.
Ke re kgang e re e tshwereng e, ke kgang e e botlhokwa thata e bile e tlile ka nako e e maleba.

Ke bo ke leboge Motlotlegi Balopi gore a bo a itlhaganeletse go tlisa kgang e fa pele ga Palamente gore re tle re e tšhotlhetšhotlhe.
Tota dikgang di ikarabile le fa ke ne ke na le maikaelelo a go tla go araba tse dingwe tse di neng tsa ntshiwa ke batlotlegi ba ba neng ba bua pele ba sa dumalane le mogopolo mme e bile ba kgala, ba supa fa commission e e tshwanetse go kgaolo dikgaolo, Delimitation Commission, ba bua ka gore census ga e yo, jaanong go 19 Hansard No 205Friday 8th April, 2022MOTION FOR THE ADJOURNMENT – DEFINITE MATTER OF URGENT PUBLIC IMPORTANCE raya gore golo moo ga go a ikaega ka sepe fela.
Ba bo ba supa gape…bangwe ba bua ka dikgaolo gore kana commission is ongoing, le yone gongwe e batlile go fetola tsamaiso e go tsamaisiwang ditlhopho ka yone, kana system e go tlhophiwang ka yone, e re e tlwaetseng ya First Past the Post.

A bo a tsenya Proportional Representation jaaka ba ntse ba bua.

Kana Motswana a re, go na le go monela marulana pele, ka ga re itse gore a tse ba di buang tseo di tlaa tla di diragala.
Se se salang ke gore, se se botlhokwa, fa e ne e le gore it was a scholarly debate, re ka bo re re ba kganetso ba setse ba itatotse position ya bone.

Ba e itatotse ka Motion wa ga Rre Dithapelo.

What we are dealing with in debate is a negation or the Marxist language interpretation, is the negation of the negation, because they really negated their position by coming up and agreeing in principle gore go okediwe, fela se ba se ganang ke four, ba bo ba ya go tla ka 10.
Dikgang tsotlhe tsele tsa support ya gore ba gana ka mabaka a, ga di sa tlhola di le teng, unless e le gore Rre Dithapelo Keorapetse o ne a itlela fela e se position ya bone.

If it is their position gore jaanong a e nne 10, gompieno re bua ka figures fela.

Mabaka a bo gore census e itaya e re, a bo gore go tlaa tliwa ka Bill jaaka Mmolotsi a bua, if falls off, it is neither here nor there.

You have negated your position completely, so now you are arguing about the numbers.
Mabaka a le a buang a 10, a based mo go eng, because le ntse le bua le re census ga e a ntsha maduo, lona 10 le based mo go eng?

We were trying to err on the side of the lower side, mme re lebile gape the trend ya gore population ya rona e ntse e gola jang.

Taking into account again the position of our economy, ka re tswa mo COVID-19, no one would expect gore re tlaabo re le recovered mo re ka kgonang go emelana le seemo sa dikgaolo tse dintsintsi.

That is our position, very valid position.


Jaanong ke ipotsa gore 10 la re le mmeile fa godimo ga eng?

That is why ke re, I cannot go back ke simolola arguing le batho ba ba setseng position ba e latlhile, e bile ba ikganeditse.

Kana negation is an opposition to your first position, so this is what you have done actually.
Ke re tota argument e gongwe Kapinga o tlaa nthusa, ga ke itse gore kwa court ba dira jang, fa o setse jaanong o ineetse, a go tswelelwa fela kana it is settled out of court, ga ke tlhaloganye?

Ka gore ga e ka ke jaanong arguments tsa tlhola di boa di ikganetsa, di boa di ya kwa pele.

bo 2011, go ne go supafala gore average ke yone ya 1.9.

When we work on that average as a trend, o ka bona gore kana tota re ntse re le a mode-state re sa batle go oketsa mo go kalokalo, re babalela itsholelo ya rona.
Re a itse gore mabaka a itsholelo ya rona a ikaegile ka eng fela, dilo tse meamuso ya teng ga se e e ka emelanang le diemo tse dintsintsi.

Diteemane fela re ikaegile ka tsone, re itewa ke dilo tse dintsi tse di ka amang theko ya tsone.

Mafatshe a mangwe a lucky gompieno jaana, bangwe ba ntse ba re tshwantshanya le bo Namibia, Namibia e na le meamuso, le itsholelo ya yone e ya go ya kwa godimo.

Gompieno go na le possibility ya oil, which we do not have.
Ke dilo tse re tshwanetseng go di itse ra monela marulana pele.

E bile ke dumalana le ba ga rona fa ba re, kemedi re a e utlwa e bokete thata kwa Makhanselareng.

Fa o leba sub-councils tse dingwe o fitlhela di na le Makhanselara a le 10, mme gone moo fela go bo go supa gore tota go tlhokana le gore ba okediwe.

Ba bangwe ba emela dikgaolwana di le pedi, tharo, nne, mme e le Mokhanselara.
So ke bone ba re tshwanetseng gore fa re ntse re bua jaana re se ka ra gobelela thata madi a ya kwa dikgaolong tsa bo Palamente, ra lebala gore re ya go oketsa ka dipalo tse di kwa godimo kwa bokhanselareng.

MR REATILE: Clarification.

Thank you Vice President (VP).

Ke re kgang e o e tshwereng e ya gore tiro e bokete thata kwa Makhanselareng e botlhokwa thata.
Fa go setse go ya go dirwa delimitation ga ke itse gore a moo o go lemogile VP, khansele e tlaabo e le gore number e e ntshitsweng gotwe ke 20 go a twe ke ya Central District Council (CDC).

Ke gore go ka se ke go tlhamalale fela gotwe number e e kana e ya Boteti, e e kana e ya kwa, go lebeletswe ka fa seemo se ntseng se ntse ka teng.

Ke sone se nako le nako sub- councils tseo di nnelang dinnyennyane kwa pele ka gore ba headquarters go itlhokomela bone go na le gore ba bo ba tlhokomela Batswana botlhe.
Ke a leboga.

MR TSOGWANE: Ke lebogile thata motlotlegi.

Ke raya gore ke kgakololo e e botlhokwa ka gore go dira one ministry.

Ke dilo tse ba tshwanetseng go di lebelela.

That trend jaaka o bua Motlotlegi Reatile, re a e bona gape le kwa mading, kana a ya headquarters, subs di ngathelwa fale le fale.

A sa tlhamalale a re, sub-council ya gore e tlaa bona bokana, a ya fela gone koo, go bo go iteba ba ba gaufi le bone.

Ke leboga thata, ke kgakololo e e molemo.


Ke re bagaetsho, o ka ya to research wa bona gore go ntse go gola jang.
Fa kgolo ya rona e ntse e boela kwa morago e le in the negative from 2001 go ya go tsena ka Jaanong ke re, tota ka dipalo bagaetsho, re ne re lebile fela jalo, re re gongwe re dumalane le dipalo ka gore ga se yone delimitation ya bofelo, gape ga se rona batho 20 Hansard No 205Friday 8th April, 2022MOTION FOR THE ADJOURNMENT – DEFINITE MATTER OF URGENT PUBLIC IMPORTANCE ba bofelo gore re bo re le mo seemong se re leng mo go sone.
Ba bangwe re itse Kgaolo ya Boteti, ke ne ke e emetse ke le one, e ntse jalo e sa fokotsega, Mopalamente a le mongwefela.

Re ne ra goga bokete joo, re gorogile, tsa nna two.

Gompieno ba bangwe ba na le dikgaolo tse ditona ba bangwe dipalo tsa bone di …(Inaudible)… ka go feta.

Fa ke ka supa fela go na le dipalo tse ke di tshwereng, kana ga re felele fela gone fa go gola ga dipalo tsa lefatshe lotlhe, re ya gape kwa dikgaolong.

Re leba Kgalagadi Kweneng, Okavango gore di godile ka bokae.
Dilo tseo di ya go tsenelela di nna di supa gore fa go na le sengwe se se ka yang, se ka ya ntlheng efe, go lebilwe le dipalo tsa batho.

Le trend e ke buang ka ga yone e e a itshupa gore re na le tsone tsa go bona gore di ne di gola jang dikgaolo ka go farologana.

Mr Speaker, ke re gongwe ke kope batlotlegi fela mo nakong ya gompieno re dumalane.

Bill ga e molato e tlaa tla, but batho ba delimitation ga ba ka ke ba itlhokomolosa Motion o because re ba beetse sekale.
Re ba emisitse ka four, ga ba ka ke ba tlola foo, Bill or no Bill.

So Bill e tlaa tla ka nako ya yone go tsweledisa gore Constitution e baakanngwe.

E itebaganya le to amend Constitution, mme in terms of the number, re a bo re setse re ba kaetse gore re ne re batla gore ba berekele mo palong ya four.

Ke yone e ba tlaabong ba ya go berekela mo go yone.

Ka go rialo Mr Speaker, ke a leboga batlotlegi.


MR SPEAKER: Honourable Members, remember that the Motion is timed, that was the last speaker and I should now call upon the mover of the Motion to reply to the debates.

MR BALOPI (GABORONE NORTH): Ke a leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente.

Ke go leboge thata gore o bo o letleletse gore ba ba ntseng ba akgela ba bo ba akgetse ka go farologana.

Ke leboge Palamente yotlhe.


Ke batla go simolola fela ka go dumedisa Batswana kwa gae, le banni ba Gaborone North.

Kgang e ya Tshutiso e ke e beileng fa pele ga Palamente, e tlaa nna nngwe ya Ditshutiso tse go supafalang Palamente rotlhe re le ba party e e busang le diphathi tsa kganetso re dumalanang ka mogopolo.
Re dumalana ka mogopolo ka gore fela jaaka Mothusa Tautona a sa tswa go bua, mongwe le mongwe o dumela gore ke tiro ya Palamente e go baya seelo sa dikgaolo tse di neng di ka bo di emetswe mo Palamenteng fela jaaka re supile Tsetlana ya 64.2(a) gore ya reng.

Le dirile fela jalo go letlelela gore kgang e e buiwe ke rona ba re maleba go ka e bua.

Gape rotlhe re dumalane gore go tshwanetse go okediwa dikgaolo.
Pharologanyo ke gore ba bangwe ba re tse di lesome, nna ke beile pele Palamente e gore go okediwe ka tse nne, tse ba bangwe le bone ba di emeng nokeng.

Fela jaaka Mothusa Tautona a ne a bua pharologanyo ke dipalo, ga e sa tlhole e le kgang ya gore a mme go tshwanetse gore go okediwe dikgaolo.

Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, botlhe ba ba akgetseng fa ba ka nna supa, ke simolola ka Rraetsho Rre Morwaeng.
O supile a bo a a fa mabaka a a emeng nokeng Tshutiso e ke tsileng ka yone mo Palamenteng, a supa tsamaiso e e tshwanetseng go salwa morago gore fa Palamente e dirile jaana, e tlaa re mo nakong e e seng kae jaaka re le mo palo bathong, ba Judicial Services Commission (JSC) ba bo ba ka tlhopha Delimitation Commission e e tlaabong e ya go lebelela melelwane le tse dingwe tse di ka tswang di ka baka gore gongwe go okediwe melelwane ya dikgaolo.
Kana fa ba e oketsa mme ba sa fiwa seelo ke Palamente se re se ba fang se, ga ba na go kgona go… MR MMOLOTSI: Point of order.

Mr Speaker, kana Honourable Balopi o nnetse go ipoeletsa kgang e a itseng gore ga se boammaaruri ya gore go tlile go tswelela go okediwa dikgaolo before Palamente e fetola molao.
Maabane o letse a buile jaana, le letsatsi leno mme ke batla gore o mo tlhalosetse fa e le gore ga a itse gore Motion o wa gagwe, ga o na go nna le maduo ape go fitlhelela Bill e tla mo Palamenteng e e fetolang molao.

Mo a go dirang mo, ga ke tlhaloganye gore ke eng, ke golo mo go senang mosola ka bokhutshwanyane.

Until Minister of Presidential Affairs a tla ka Bill e re tlaabong re fetola molao wa 57 re tsenya 61, he has not said anything.
MR SPEAKER: Fa le dumalane le Motion as Honourable Balopi is analysing it, I do not see the chance ya the Minister of Presidential Affairs coming with any different number when he himself supported the Motion.

MR BALOPI: Ke a leboga gore o bo o tlhaloseditse Rre Mmolotsi.

Ke letse ke mmaletse le fa ke ne ke baya Palamente e pele Motion Mr Speaker, gore ke buile gore fa re sena go nna re dumalana fa e le gore re ya go dumalana, Tona o tlaabo a tlisa Bill mo Palamenteng.
Ke tlhalositse fa ke simolola, gongwe o utlwile botlhoko thata gore se a neng a se eleditse ga se a tsamaya, jaanong o tla a sa reetse sentle.

MR MMOLOTSI: Nnyaa, golo mo ke go re diela nako.

MR BALOPI: Rraetsho Morwaeng o dumalane; ene Tona yo o tlileng go tla kwano.

Ke ne ke gwetlha ene, le lona le reeditse gore Rre Morwaeng a se ka a tla ka 21 Hansard No 205Friday 8th April, 2022MOTION FOR THE ADJOURNMENT – DEFINITE MATTER OF URGENT PUBLIC IMPORTANCE Tshutiso le ise le bue ka yone mo Palamenteng.
Fa e le gore o batla go re raya o re Palamente ga e na mosola fa e bua dikgang tse di ntseng jaana Rre Mmolotsi, o ka bua jalo gore ga gona mosola wa gore ke bo ke e tsisitse.

Gape e ntse e le wena o rata morero, le ba bangwe ba ba ntseng ba bua ka one.

This is the part of the consultation process e e leng gore ka fa Molaomotheong, Palamente e tlaa felela e tsere tshwetso.
Morero ke one gore e re fa Tona a tla ka Bill, e bo jaanong le setse le e buile, le maikutlo a rona a a utlwile gore a Mapalamente a dumalane ka bontsi jo ba reng four e siame.

Then that Bill ya ga Tona will be well informed.

Ke ne ke raya gore ke fete ka kgang eo ke rialo.

Gape Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, ke ratile kgang ya gore gongwe ba bangwe ba re ga re a baya dipalo, kante ga re a baya four e mo go sepe.

Go na le trends tse di ntseng di le teng.


Ke lebogela gore Rre Segokgo maabane o kile a sedimosetsa Palamente e gore fa a lebelela kgolo ya setšhaba sa Botswana, o lemogile gore go tswa mo nakong e e fetileng gabedi gararo, palo ya batho e oketsega ka bo average two per cent.

A bo a supa gape Rre Segokgo gore mme gape fa a lebile four constituencies mo go 57, go supa gore it is 8 per cent growth ya constituencies.

Dipalo tse di ka tswa e se gore ke tsone fela tse motho a ka di lebang.
Ke lebogela gore a bo a file seelo gape se se supang gore go ka tswa go na le dilo dingwe tse re ka berekelang mo go tsone re lebile kwa re tswang teng.

Kana batho ba ba botlhale ba a tle ba re ba bua ba re ga o ka ke wa kgona go itse kwa o yang teng fa o sa itse kwa o tswang teng.
It is very important to rely kwa o tswang teng go bona gore go ya pele, re tlaa tsamaya jang gore re se ka ra nna re thanya fela re setse re le fa re yang teng, re sa kgona go lemoga gore mosepele o re o tsereng e tlaabo e le o o ntseng jang.

Ke sone se ke a tleng ke se bua Rre Tshere jaaka le bua dilo tse dintsintsi mme le ne le dumalane ka kgang ya gore re ye kwa pele mme re tlaabo re dia nako ka go golola telele ya tshoswane mme re ntse re itse gore nama yone e ya pitseng ka dirwe.
Ke yone thulaganyo e re e dirang mo bogompienong jaana gore lenaneo le, le re fitlhise kwa re yang teng.

Ke buile gape ka re lepotlapotla le ja podi.

Rraetsho Mothusa Tautona o buile gore re tshwanetse re monele marulana pele.

Re itebaganye le tse e leng gore fa re ya kwa pele re lebile, di tlaa kgona go re kgontsha go hema seemo sa gore e re kwa bofelong re bo re le mo dipharagobeng, re le fa gare ga dinaka tsa tshukudu kante tsa nare jaaka ba bangwe ba a tle ba bue.
Ka jalo Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, ke lebogela kemonokeng yone eo.

Rre Keorapetse o tsile ka Tshutiso a dumalana gore re tshwanetse go oketsa mme o dumela gore e nne 10.

Mabaka otlhe a a builweng ke ba ba neng ba ntse ba bua ba supa gore ke eng re re four re lebile letseno, fa re tswang teng, matshwenyego a a setseng a le teng mo go rona re le Mapalamente ka go farologana a ditlamelo tse di ka re kgontshang gore re dire.
Go raya gore fa re ikoketsa ka bontsi, re tlaabo re sa fokotse matshwenyego a a ntseng a le teng, re tlaabo re a oketsa mme re ntse re lebile gore re tshelela fela mo legatakgofeng fa re bua ka tsa madi.

Rre Keorapetse o ne a baya Tshutiso ya gore re oketse ka 10 mme ba bangwe ba se ka ba dumalana le ene ka bontsi.
Go bo go raya gore jaanong fa re sa dumalane ka bontsi, ba le bantsi ba simolola go boela kwa go se re neng re tsere gore re setse re fetile ka sone sa mabaka a ba neng ba a bua, a ke tsayang gore a ka re latsa fa, fa ke ka a nankola a mangwe.

Ka jalo Motion o ke tsaya ke re o atlegile ka fa ke neng ke reeditse ka teng.

Le ka fa ke neng ke reeditse Rre Nkawana ka teng, ke bona fela gore Motion o o atlegile ka gore o ne a bua gore BDP e ikokeletsa dikgaolo.
Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, ke batla go papamala jaana ke re mo bogompienong re na le dikgaolo di le masome a le matlhano le bosupa.

Mo go tse 49, di setse di amogane mabogo mo lefatsheng le la Botswana.

Di le borobabobedi, ke tsone fela tse di iseng di amogane mabogo.

Ke gore se ke lekang go se bua ke gore ga gona ope yo o ka tlholang a bua gompieno a re golo kwa bokete ke stronghold sa BDP, jaanong fa o bona ba riana ba ya go e baya gone koo.
Go supagetse fela gore democracy mo lefatsheng la rona le batho ba rona ba a e tlhaloganya gore ga gona yo o nang le kgaolo, kgaolo ke dikeletso tsa Batswana fa ba tlhopha ka nako e ditlhopho di nnang teng.

Ka jalo ke dumela gore ga gona go nna sepe se se fetogang.
Le nako ya tsone constituencies tse nne tse, e tlaa re fa di tsena Batswana ba tlhophe party e ba dumelang gore e tlaare fa ba reeditse maitlamo a yone, ba reeditse e bile ba e lebile le seemo sa yone, le ka fa e bopegileng ka teng, ba kgone go bona gore ke mang yo o ka nowang moro, ke mang yo o ka bewang peo, ya re kamoso ra kgona go akola se e leng gore re tlaabo re se beile mo go ene.
Ka jalo, ga se sepe fela se e leng gore ope o ka ema mo Palamenteng e, a supa a re ba ya go e isa kwa bokete gore ba tle ba ungwelwe ke sennanne.

Ke fela gore ba batla gore ba timetse Batswana.


22 Hansard No 205Friday 8th April, 2022MOTION FOR THE ADJOURNMENT – DEFINITE MATTER OF URGENT PUBLIC IMPORTANCE Dikgang tse dingwe tse di builweng ke Rre Moabi le ene a eme nokeng Tshutiso e, di a amogelesega, ka gore e bile le ene o ne a ama tse bo Rre Morwaeng jalojalo ba di amileng, tsone tsa budgets, mme gape ba lebile gape le gore kana golo fa, ga re fe batho dikgaolo re re di ya kwa bokete, re ba fa gore ba tle ba kgone gore ba dire tiro ya bone.
Gape re itse gore go na le Makhanselara a e leng gore lotlhe ba le ntseng le bua le eme nokeng Tshutiso e, le ba umakile, le supa botlhokwa jwa gore batho ba nne gaufi le ba ba tshwanetseng gore ba ba thuse go isa ditlamelo kwa go bone.

Makhanselara ke bone ba ba gaufi thata le batho, ke sesana se re gamelang mala mo go sone fa re bua ka sepolotiki.
Gongwe tshono e, e fa gone gore kwa khanseleng go okediwe ka dipalo tse di rileng, go bo go lebelelwa le the conditions of service, kante ka fa ba tsamaisiwang ka teng gore ba thusiwe gore ba atolose le yone ofisi ya Mopalamente.

Ka jalo, ke tsaya ke re re tshwanetse gore mo Palamenteng e rotlhe re le Mapalamente, re eme Makhanselara a rona nokeng thata, e bile re ba fokoletse mosepele.

Fa le ya kwa constituency le re e bophara jo bo kanakana, o tlaa fitlhela e le gore ward yone eo, e bophara.
Gongwe o tswa kwa bo Shakawe o ya kwa bo Gudigwa jaana kante o ya kwa go bo Rre Kapinga, e ya bo e le ward e e leng gore ke yone e e bophara jo bo kalo.

Fa le fokoleditse Mokhanselara mosepele, le wena o go tswa dinao gore o tle o kgone gore batho ba fitlhelelwe ba ba tlaabong ba thusiwa.

Ka jalo, ke tsaya ke re themelelo ya rona e tona ke go baya leitlho la rona le le ntšhotšho thata mo go boneng gore tota e le ruri Makhanselara ba a kgona gore ba re atumeletse ditlamelo kwa bathong re le Mapalamente.
Gape le decentralisation jaaka re ntse re utlwa bo Honourable Autlwetse ba apeile pitsa ya teng jaana, le yone e tlile go kgona gore re e thuse, e bo e tsamaelane le tsone dikakanyetso tsa dingwe tse di neng di buiwa ke bo Rre Reatile a tlatsa His Honour the Vice President, gore e se ka ya nna e re dipalo fa di tswa, go bo gotwe di ya kwa a central place, di bo di simolola di phatlaladiwa, e bo e le gore ditlamelo di isiwa koo thata.
Go nne very clear gore the sub-councils e tlaa re fa go atolosiwa dilo tse, tsone di lebelelwe ka leitlho le le siameng gore batho ba isediwe ditlamelo koo, go isediwe Makhanselara koo, le bone ba kgone gore ba ikemele ka dinao ba thuse Batswana ka go farologana.
Rre Rakgare le wena o buile, wa bo wa supa ka bophara gore tota o dumela gore gongwe ga re tlhaloganye tsamaiso, wa bo wa supa bangwe gore gongwe tsamaiso ya bone le fa re ka ba fa dikgaolo tsone tse, gongwe phoso e e ka tswang e ka diragala, e ka nna gore gongwe ba ka se ke ba di tshware ka matsetseleko a o a a akantseng.
E ne e le mogopolo wa gago o e leng gore ke tsaya ke re o ne o supa kemonokeng, mme gape o e supa ka go supa dikai tse di maleba tse di ka dirang gore gongwe e re kwa pele, Batswana ba tlhaloganye gore ke eng bangwe ba le bete se molangwana gore dilo di bo di sa tsamae jaaka ba akantse.

Rraetsho Rre Tshere le ene o buile ka gore bangwe ba ne ba bua gore he can go to court.

Ga go na ope yo o buileng fela exclusively a re fa e le gore ga o dumalane, go to court.
Re bo re re fa e le gore re fositse; e bile ke santse ke boelela mafoko a a ntseng jalo, kante ga go na sepe se se re letlang re le Ntlo e, gore re ka bua kgang e, Molaomotheo o re o supang mo tshetlaneng ya masome a marataro le bone, phegelwana ya bobedi e le karolo ya ntlha, fa go na le ope yo o ganetsang kante a sa dumalane le gore re itebagantse le tshetlana e sentle, re ne re bua gore go na le kwa a ka ikuelang teng gore a tle a kgone gore le rona a re gakolole, gongwe re balele dilo ka go bona le ka go lemoga gore di tsamaya jang.
Ke batla gore fela kwa bofelong ke leboge thata, mme ke bue kgang nngwe e e leng gore ke ne ke lebala go e bua, ya gore mongwe o buile; ga ke itse gore a e ne e le Leader of the Opposition kante ke mang gore Goromente o ntse a robetse, fa a tsibogela gore a re ka tsaya kgang e ka bofetshwana kante jang.

Gore Goromente o ntse a robetse, go supa fela Goromente o o eteletsweng pele ke Rraetsho Dr Mokgweetsi Eric Keabetswe Masisi, o ne o robetse, ka gore mo nakong e e fetileng ba bangwe ba ne ba sa robala.
Ke batla go bua ke re, go raya gore fa e le gore go na le mongwe yo o neng a robetse, ke rona rotlhe mo Ntlong e, le ene LOO a le mo teng ka gore molao o, le mo Molaomotheong, ga go na ope yo o kganelwang gore o ka tsisa Tshutiso ya go nna jaana, ya go oketsa dikgaolo tse di emetsweng mo Palamenteng, kante go oketsa kemedi mo Palamenteng.

Ga go na gope fa molao o o reng Puso e tshwanetse gore e tle ka dikgaolwana kante e di oketse.
O papametse fela gore Palamente e, ke yone e tshwanetseng gore e tle ka molao wa gore go okediwe ditshetlana, go okediwe dikgaolo tse di emetsweng mo Palamenteng go lebilwe yone Section 58 (2) (a) e e leng gore ke yone e ke neng ke tla ka yone mo Tshutisong yone e. Ke tsaya gore mafoko a a ntseng jalo, go raya gore tota ga a na boleng.

Gape a bofelo e le gore principle Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, ke selo se se mosola thata.
Sengwe se ke se ithutileng fa re ntse re buisanya ka Tshutiso e, ke gore 23 Hansard No 205Friday 8th April, 2022MOTION FOR THE ADJOURNMENT – DEFINITE MATTER OF URGENT PUBLIC IMPORTANCE go na le fa principle kante maikaelelo a a tlhomameng a fapogiwang teng ke bangwe.

Fa e le gore ga o dumalane gore go okediwe, o se ka wa dumalana gore go okediwe.
E se ka ya re fa o re ga o dumalane gore go okediwe ka mabaka a o neng o a bua a a farologaneng, o bo o boa o tla ka palo e e fetang e e leng gore rona re e beile pele gore go okediwe dikgaolo.

Golo moo go supa boleng.

Kana Motswana a re “ntšanyana ya maiteelwa sebata, o e bona mabotobotong,” kante “mmamotse o bonwa mantlwaneng.” Ka jalo, fa o bona batho principle e le thata mo go bone, o tshwanetse gore o ipotse gore kwa pele re ka dira jang fa re ntse re tsamaya.
Ke sone se ke se ithutileng mo fa re ntse re atlhaatlha dikgang tse gore principle ke selo se se thata mo bangweng, segolo jang mo bakaulengweng ba rona ba kganetso jaaka Rre Keorapetse a ne a bua.
Ba le lesome le borataro botlhe ba bo ba dumalana le Rre Keorapetse, mme go tswa fa fa ba bua ka bongwe ka bongwe jwa bone fa re ne re kopa gore kgang e e tsene ka potlako, mme gape ba bo ba re letlelela gore e tsene ka potlako ka bontsi ba ne ba tlhopha, ba ba neng ba ganetsa ba ne ba sa dumalane le se Rre Keorapetse a buang ka sone fa ba setse ba bua, mme ba tlhophile le ene gore a di nne 10 di se ka tsa nna four.
Ke yone principle e ke buang ka yone gore re tshwanetse gore re e ithute, e bile re e tsamaise re itse gore batho ba tlaabo ba re lebile jalo.

Ka jalo Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, ke kopa go sutisa Motion o ke neng ke kopile gore o tsene mo Palamenteng e, mo maabaneng gore re dumalane ka one.
Jaanong Tshutiso ya Motion o Mr Speaker, ke tlaa o bala ka Sekgoa gore “That this Honourable House resolves as a matter of urgency to allow for the amendment of Section 58 (2) (a) of the Constitution of the Republic of Botswana to increase the number of Elected Members of the National Assembly from 57 to 61, in an effort to increase the number of constituencies from 57 to 61.” I so move Mr Speaker.

Thank you.

Question put and agreed to.


GOVERNMENT TO INTRODUCE A MANDATORY CORPORATE SOCIAL RESPONSIBILITY LAW (CSR) Motion (Resumed Debate) MR SPEAKER: Order!

Order!

The debate Honourable Members on this Motion is resuming.

When the House adjourned last Friday...(Interruptions)... Honourable Tshere was on the floor debating and he was left with four minutes 58 seconds.

MR TSHERE (MAHALAPYE WEST): Thank you Honourable Speaker.
I do not have my notebook here, mme ke ne ke tsaya gore ke ne ke setse ke wetse Mr Speaker, ka thulaganyo e e neng e kopiwa ke Honourable Dr Gobotswang.

I therefore support.

Thank you very much Mr Speaker.

HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… MR SPEAKER: I am trying to see ...(Inaudible)… hands are relevant to what we are doing.

The floor is open.

HIS HONOUR THE VICE PRESIDENT (MR TSOGWANE): Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

Ga ke dumalane le mogopolo wa ga Dr Gobotswang.


Ga ke dumalane le one ka gore jaaka dibui tse dingwe tse di setseng di buile, tota fa re setse re tsile ka molao.

Go ntse go buiwa ka policies dinako tse tsotlhe, go buiwa ka Citizen Empowerment Policy, re ntse re re ga e na meno ka gore ke policy, jaanong re bo re ya go tla ka molao tota o o gatelelang kana o akaretsa ka gore o fa godingwana.
Ga o a itebaganya fela le tse di ntshiwang ke dikompone tse di epang, o itebagantse gape le dikompone tse di tona tse di dirang dikgwebo tse di farologaneng, mo mafelong a a farologaneng, mme dikompone tseo di ama tikologo ka tsela nngwe e e rileng le matshelo a batho kwa di dirang teng.

Fa re setse re fetisitse molao o ntse jalo, o ya go diragatsa se Rre Gobotswang a se kopang gompieno.

Jaanong re tsaya gore fa go dirilwe jalo, go a bo go ntse go akareditswe.
Re na le meepo, re itse ka fa e amang matshelo a batho kwa dikgaolong tsa rona, jaaka bo Boteti jaana.

Re ne re ntse re nyoretswe Puso gore e tlaa tla ka mogopolo o o ka nolofatsang, o o ka laolang, o rotloetsa, o dira gore dikompone tse di itemoge, di itse gore fa di leng teng fa, they must plough back into the community, le fa go se kalokalo.

Re itse gore meepo e mengwe re e kopanetse le Puso, jaaka wa Debswana jaana.
So ga re ka ke ra re jaanong e re re tlile ka mo go tlaa akaretsang meamuso e mengwe, re bo re re a re itebaganyeng fela le ya meepo, mme re na le molao o re tlileng ka one Mr Speaker.

Ke a itse gore fa go buiwa, batlotlegi ba na le go leka go gogomosa batho ba dikgaolo tse di rileng maikutlo, ba dira o kare baemedi ba dikgaolo tseo bone ga ba akanyetse batho ba bone kana ga ba na dikakanyo tseo.
Re emetse batho bao, re itse ka fa ba akanyang le ka fa ba gopolang ka teng, re emetse maikaelelo le maikutlo a batho ba dikgaolo tsa rona.

E bile le batho ba ke bontlha 24 Hansard No 205Friday 8th April, 2022GOVERNMENT TO INTRODUCE A MANDATORY CORPORATE SOCIAL RESPONSIBILITY LAW (CSR)Motion (Resumed Debate) bongwe jwa Puso, jwa lefatshe le, jalo ga se gore e tlaa re se ba se bonang fa ba leng teng, ba bo ba ka intsha ba ikgogona mo Batswaneng ba bangwe.
Ka jalo, re tshwanelwa ke gore e re fa re ntse re dira jaana, re bo re lebeletse.

Kana dikompone ga di patelediwe gore di tle mo lefatsheng la rona, ke rona ba re di tlhokang thata gore di tle go re thusa.

E re re dira jalo, re bo re dira melao e e leng gore ga e na go di koba tse tsotlhe, re bo re sala gape re le mo bothateng.

Ee, batho ba bangwe ba a bua, ka gore go dikitsokitso, gore re ka itsamaisetsa.
Nnyaa, go ka bo mafatshe a a simolotseng pele ga rona, mafatshe a dikompone tse di leng kwa go one a a tlhabologileng, mebuso eo e itsamaisetsa.

Jaanong ke rona ba re ntseng re re Government cannot do business, ke rona ba o kareng re bua re e tla re ikganetsa mo go se re se buang.
Fela se ke ganeletseng mo go sone ke gore thulaganyo e Puso e setseng e e dirile, molao o o re setseng re o fetisitse, o o neng o tla ka Tona Rre Kgafela, o bo o kopana le o mongwe molao gape wa procurement, ke melao e e botlhokwa, e e tshwanetseng go ama le dikompone tse tsotlhe jaaka e ntse jalo.

Le one wa Economic Inclusive Act, ke melao e e tlaa thusang gore jaanong re tle re bone diphetogo.
E tlaa re fa re tsweletse, re bona gore go na le bothata, ke gone gongwe re ka bonang gore jaanong go ka dirwa eng.

But ga e ka ke ya re molao o sena le fa e le kgwedi, o ise o bo o diragadiwe, re bo re tla ka o mongwe molao mo godimo ga oo, mme ole o akaretsa le mehama e mengwe ya itsholelo, o sa itebaganya fela le kepo ya ditswammung.
So ke ne ke re gongwe ka gore motlotlegi o sa le a nnile le mogopolo oo pele ga molao o o dirwa, a bo a palelwa fela ke gore e re a bona molao, a ba a lemoga gore molao o jaanong o setse o akareditse mogopolo wa me, a bo a ka boela kwa morago mogopolo wa gagwe.

Ka gore fa re sale re tsene mo ngwageng ole wa ditlhopho, batlotlegi ba ne ba tla ka Ditshutiso tse di rileng, di santse di le mo meleng, mme tse dingwe di e tla di tlolwa ke dipeba ka gore melao e mengwe e tla e di cover kana e di diragatsa.
Fa o fitlhela go ntse jalo, go na le gore o bo o gobelela fela, o tshwanetse wa boela kwa morago, wa neela Palamente e sebaka ka go buisana tse dingwe tse e leng gore tsone ga di a akarediwa mo melaong e e setseng e dirilwe.

Jaanong ka mafoko ao Mr Speaker, ga ke dumalane gotlhelele le gore re bo re ntse re pega molao mo godimo ga o mongwe, mme e bile re o pega one o itebagantse fela le selo se le sengwe, o sa itebaganya le bophara jwa tse di amegang mo mehameng e mengwe ya itsholelo ka bophara.
Ka go rialo Mr Speaker, ke ganana le Tshutiso e ya ga Dr Gobotswang, mme fela gone re mo lebogile gore o nnile a e tlisa le fa a ne a ntse a bona gore e na le molao o o e akaretsang.

Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

MINISTER OF INFRASTRUCTURE AND HOUSING DEVELOPMENT (MR MOLALE): Ke a leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, ke go dumedise le batlotlegi botlhe.

Ke ema fa ke bua kgatlhanong le Tshutiso ya ga Honourable Dr Kesitegile Gobotswang.
Selo sa ntlha ke kgatlhanong le Tshutiso e jaana, fa o bala Motion ga o itse gore the object of the Motion a ke go dira Corporate Social Responsibility (CSR) mandatory kana to mitigate against the adverse impacts of mining.

Fa o ka tsaya these two objects wa di kopanya, within the setting e re leng mo go yone ya tsamaiso-puso ya phathi ya ga Domkrag, it is contradictory.

Mma ke simolole ka CSR.


Motlotlegi Mothusa Tautona o setse a buile mafoko ka bontsi gore, tota kana golo fa selo se se tona ke gore re ngoke babeeletsi ba tle go dira ditiro tse mo.

Jaanong fa re nna re ba kgobelela melao e e seng friendly to the business environment e ba leng mo go yone, bogolo jang ka gore some minerals are not high value mo o fitlhelang margins tsa teng di le kwa tlase, go ka dira gore batho ba, ba bone gore ga go viable go tla go dira mo Botswana.
In the process we have this opportunity cost ya gore batho ba ba ka bong ba hirilwe mo meepong e o ga ba na go bona khiro ka gore… …Silence… MR SPEAKER: We have lost you Honourable Molale.

HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… MR SPEAKER: Honourable Mmolotsi.

MR MMOLOTSI (FRANCISTOWN SOUTH): Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

Mma ke supe gore ke ema Dr Gobotswang nokeng ka Tshutiso ya gagwe.

Ke mo ema nokeng ka gore, ke monni wa Kgaolo ya Francistown, mo ke tsholetsweng teng.
Kgaolo e ya Francistown Mr Speaker, ke kgaolo ya meepo e re iphitlhelang re le mo seemong se le bokamoso jwa toropo ya rona re sa tlholeng re itse gore bo fa kae, re lebile diemo tsa meepo e e kileng ya bo e le fano.

Mo nakong ya gompieno fa re bua jaana, re na le mahuti kwa bo Mmanaka.

Fa ke bua le wena jaana Mr Speaker, ka fa tlase ga sepatela sa bo Nyangabgwe jaana ke meepo.
Fa o ya kwa dikgaolong tsa Area A, go na le matlo mangwe a go lebegang a le fa 25 Hansard No 205Friday 8th April, 2022GOVERNMENT TO INTRODUCE A MANDATORY CORPORATE SOCIAL RESPONSIBILITY LAW (CSR)Motion (Resumed Debate) godimo ga tunnels, e le gore jaanong a ranyegaranyega fela.

Ka tsela e e ntseng jalo, o kgona go bona gore fa moepo o le mo lefatsheng lengwe kgotsa mo lefelong lengwe, go na le tshenyo nngwe e o e dirang.
Fa go na le tshenyo jaana, tota go batla gore jaanong fa moepo o le foo, go dirwe tsamaiso e e ka sologelang banni le ba tota ba sa berekeng mo moepong ba sologelwe molemo ke gore ba bo ba ne ba tshela le moepo, ka gore ditlamorago tsa mine morago ga lebaka, di ama mongwe le mongwe yo o nnang foo.

Maloba ke kile ka tlhalosa gore mo Francistown mo Kgaolong ya me ya Somerset le Extension, re na le dilo tse gotweng syenites koo.
Mebu ya teng ga e a siama, go tsenya batho ba kgaolo bolwetse, mme batho ba ga ba a bereka mo meepong e. Jaanong ditlamorago tsa meepo e, di a ba ama ka go ba ntsha mo botsogong jo bo siameng, ka go ba senyetsa matlo a bone a ba a agang, go senya dikole tse di agilweng foo.

Mo ke gone mo Honourable Gobotswang a reng fa re na le meepo e e tshwanang e, e dira tse e dirang e di dira dipoelo, bonnyennyanenyana mo dipoelong tseo bo tshwanelwa ke gore bo boele setšhaba se se nnang foo.
E le phimolodikeledi ya gore setšhaba e tle e re se iphitlhela se le mo mathateng a a ntseng jaana, go bo go na le sengwe se ba ka se supang for it.

Fa o tsaya Kgaolo ya Letlhakane kwa Boteti for example, ba mo meepong mme fa o lebelela seemo sa lehuma kwa Letlhakane le mo dikgaolong tse di dikologileng Letlhakane, le wena o ka ipotsa tota gore a mme le raya gore motse o wa Letlhakane, Orapa le Mmatshumo a tota batho ba ba nna fa go nang le moepo wa teemane o o dirileng Botswana se e leng sone.
Ga o ka ke wa dumela dilo tseo.

Ke sone se Honourable Gobotswang a reng fa go ntse jaana bagaetsho, kana mo ke go iketsha setlhabelo, kgaolo e dule setlhabelo sa gore ditswammung di tswe mo go yone, go tshwanetse ga nna le bonnyennyane jo go tlaa tweng ke CSR e ya kwa bathong ba kgaolo e, go leka go tlhabolola kgaolo eo gore e re ntswa go na le ditlamorago, mme ditlhabololo di bo di ka tswelela di bonala.
Fa o ya kwa Matshelagabedi le Matsiloje ke dikgaolo tsa meepo, mme fa o lebelela the level of development e e mo metseng e, e kwa tlasetlase thata.

Fa o re o lebelela gore e ntshitse ditswammung tse di kae, tota go utlwisa botlhoko.

MR SALESHANDO: Clarification.

Mr Speaker, if you allow.

Ke botse Mopalamente wa Francistown South gore fa o tsaya kgaolo e tshwana le ya Boteti, rotlhe re itse billions tse di duleng ka fa tlase ga lefatshe, o bo o lebelela fa godimo ga lefatshe o bona lehuma le le foo.
O bo o utlwa ba ba emetseng kgaolo eo, ba re ba kgatlhanong le gore bontlha bongwe jo bo tswang ka fa tlase ga lefatshe la dikgaolo tsa bone, bo thuse bone ba ba leng gaufi le khumo eo.

Ke mo gotweng go dirwe jang ka baemedi ba mofuta oo?

MR MMOLOTSI: Ke a leboga Honourable Leader of the Opposition (LOO).
Tota fela ke seemo se ke sa dumeleng gore, go na le motho yo o ka tswang mo Francistown, Boteti le Jwaneng for example, kwa go nang le meepo ga ke dumele gore motho o teng wa mofuta oo yo o ka gananang le gore go nne le bonnyennyane jo bo tshwanelwang ke gore bo ye kwa kgaolong eo, jo bo ka thusang ditlhabololo gore go nne le pharologanyo ka fa go tseng ka teng mo nakong ya gompieno.

HIS HONOUR THE VICE PRESIDENT (MR TSOGWANE): Correction.

Thank you Honourable Member.


Ke ne ke ithaya ke re o tlaa fetola mo go se LOO a se buileng, but the correction is that go fetola mafoko ga go ka ke ga thusa ope ka sepe, ka gore batho ba reeditse fa re bua.

Re buile gore molao o teng that covers se ba se kopang.

Ga re a re ga go a tshwanela gore dikompone tseo di thuse mafelo ao, ra re go setse go dirilwe molao, that is where we differ.

I do not know whether this needs a rocket scientist to understand.

Thank you.

MR MMOLOTSI: Ee rra, ke a leboga.


Tota fa o bona ke dumalana le Honourable Gobotswang, he is very specific a bua ka CSR mo dikomponeng tse di epang.

Ke tsone tse di dirang khumo e ntsi le madi a mantsi.

O fitlhela e le gore ditlamorago tse di diragalelang setšhaba morago ga foo, ga e nne tsone.

Ke kile ka ya kwa Zambia kwa Masaiti Region kwa go nang le meepo, go setse mafuti, ditswammung di tserwe.

MaZambia ba tlogeletswe mafuti fela, ga go sa tlhole go na le sepe se se kgatlhang koo.
Fa e ne e rile ka nako eo, e bo e le gore dikompone tse jaaka di dira mafuti di epa ditswammung jaana, ba tlhabolola le kgaolo eo at the same time.

Fa e ne e le gore Goromente a re, e re ntswa le epa jaana, make sure gore the area e le epang mo go yone le a e tlhabolola, letsatsi leno re ka bo re bua area eo e le toropo e e tsweletseng e tshela.

Gompieno e sule.

Letsatsi le go ka tweng teemane e fedile kwa Letlhakane, ga go na ope yo o tlaa tlholang a kgatlhegela go feta teng.
Nako e go tlaabong gotwe teemane e fedile kwa Jwaneng, ga go na yo o tlaa kgatlhegang ka gore khumo e e dirwang koo, ga e solegele molemo lefelo leo gotlhelele.

Ke tlhalositse maloba gore ke dumalana le tsamaiso ya gore ditswammung di thuse lefatshe lotlhe.
Ke kgatlhanong le tsamaiso e e leng gore ntswa go ntse jalo, 26 Hansard No 205Friday 8th April, 2022GOVERNMENT TO INTRODUCE A MANDATORY CORPORATE SOCIAL RESPONSIBILITY LAW (CSR)Motion (Resumed Debate) ditswammung tse o kare di feta dikgaolo tse di tswang kwa go tsone.

Di feta fela ka circle, di sa ba thuse sepe.

Ke ne ka fa sekai maloba ka metsi a Mmadinare.

Ke ne ke le kwa phitlhong kwa Mmadinare, go sena metsi.

Metsi a feta fela batho ba a lebile gore a tswa mo go rona a a tsamaya.
It is the same concept ya gore re tshwanelwa ke go dumalana le Honourable Gobotswang gore a mekoti e ka gore re a itse gore e dira madi a a seng kana ka sepe, ba bone gore ba nna le bonnyennyane jo ba bo ntshang mo dipoelong tsa bone, jo bo tlaa thusang go tlhabolola kgaolo eo, le batho ba yone gore go tle go bonale gore khumo ba e dirile.

Ba e leng gore khumo e ne e dirwa mo go bone, ba boetswe ke sengwe.
Ke dumela gore Mopalamente mongwe le mongwe wa Palamente e, e ke kgang e a tshwanetseng a e dumele ka e itebagantse le meepo.

Ga go molato gore go bo go na le molao o akaretsang, but we can still have mo go specific go bua ka meepo jaaka Honourable Gobotswang a bua.

Impact ya ditswammung ga o ka ke wa e tshwantshanya le sepe fela ka gore dipoelo tsa yone di ka dira pharologanyo mo ditlhabololong tsa setšhaba.
Jaanong ke sone se e leng gore ke kopa Honourable Vice President (VP), Honourable Lelatitisitswe, Honourable Reatile, Honourable Buti Billy, Rre Moswaane, nna, Honourable Keorapetse, Rre Nkawana, Honourable Kekgonegile, Hikuama le Honourable Saleshando gore re tswa kwa mekoting.

Re batla gore kwa dikgaolong tse, go nne le maduo.

Re dumalane le Honourable Gobotswang gore Tshutiso e a e ntshitseng e, ga re a tshwanelwa go e gana.
Honourable Molao gompieno jaana o reka mo toropong ya rona, mme re tlhasetswe ke …(Inaudible)… tsa meepo.

Matlo a rona a a phatloga.

Re tlhoka CSR e re ka e bonang mo mekoting.

Jaanong ope wa bone fa a ka gana, ke batla gore batlhophi ba mo tsogologele gore o emetse mang fa re le mo mathateng a a kana.

A gana gotwe mekoti e e re diretseng mathata e, e re thuse go tlhabolola dikgaolo tsa rona.

Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

Ke dumalana le Honourable Gobotswang.


MINISTER OF INFRASTRUCTURE AND HOUSING DEVELOPMENT (MR MOLALE): I am back Mr Speaker, sorry about that.

MR SPEAKER: Ee, Honourable Molale.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Thank you Mr Speaker.

A ke tlaa mo latelela?

MR SPEAKER: Okay.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Okay, thank you Mr Speaker.

MR MOLALE: Thank you Mr Speaker.

Ke belaela ke ne ke pataganetswe ke batho ba diagelo Honourable Gobotswang le Honourable Mmolotsi.
Dilo tse, ga se tse ke tlwaetseng gore di a ntiragalele mme legale mma ke tswelele.

Jaaka Motlotlegi Mothusa Tautona a ne a bua, re setse re na le ka fa re ngokang babeeletsi ka teng.

Go ba kgobokanyetsa tsamaiso ya gore re ba pateletse go dira se le se, mme fa gongwe meepo e ba e epang, margins tsa teng di le kwa tlase.

Mind you, fa re tsaya boipuso, re dumalane gore selo santlha fa go nna le moepo, o tshwanetse o sologele Batswana botlhe molemo.

Mark my words, ga ke gane CSR.


Ke boikarabelo jwa batho ba ba beeleditseng gore ba inaakanye le setšhaba fa ba leng teng.

Mme gore jaanong re go direle molao, e tlaabo e le go patika batho.

Ke tlogela eo ya CSR ke bue ka ya the reasoning ya gore go dirwe molao o, so as to mitigate the adverse impact of mining on communities.

Nnyaa, re na le melao already, fa e le gore ga e diragadiwe, it is something else.
You will know Mr Speaker, gore le pele fa re nna le Environmental Impact Assessment (EIA) law and related laws, the most stringent environmental laws were under the Mines and Minerals Act and to some extent the Mines and Quarries Act.

Bontsi jwa nako, Mines and Quarries Act e itebagantse bogolo jang le safety mme there are environmental aspects mo teng.

Ga e ka ke ya re re setse re na le melao e, ra bo re dira molao o.
Re o dira re re, it mitigates against the environmental impact ka gore batho ga ba dire CSR.

That is why ke re there is contradiction.

A re se ka ra dira jalo, a re bueng gore melao e e teng, e e leng gore it will mitigate this adverse impact, e simolole go emelwa ka dinao, e dirwe, be enforced.

The unfortunate part ke e ya Selebi Phikwe e, ka gore gongwe go ne go na le mabaka mangwe a neng a dira jalo, a ke sa a tlhaloganyeng.
That is why Goromente a tshotse responsibility ya gore disused mines tsa bogologolo kwa North East, Francistown, Kgwakgwe le Otse manganese mines gore gradually we must rehabilitate them to mitigate against the adverse impacts tse re di bonang on the environment.

Jaanong moo go supa boikarabelo jwa Puso in accordance le melao e e teng.

Go tshwanetse gore go dirwe jalo go sirelediwe tikologo.

Fa tikologo e sa direlediwe, kwa bofelong go tlaa ama batho.
Melao eo e teng, ka gore the Mines and Minerals Act nako eo pele ga EIA, o ne o le stringent and continues to be stringent.

Re okeditse ka go tla ka molao wa EIA o e bileng bangwe ba rona mo Palamenteng mo re ne re bua gore o kgokgontsha batho, babeeletsi le bagwebi.

So, this Motion is redundant ke gore ga o... 27 Hansard No 205Friday 8th April, 2022GOVERNMENT TO INTRODUCE A MANDATORY CORPORATE SOCIAL RESPONSIBILITY LAW (CSR)Motion (Resumed Debate) HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification.
MR MOLALE: Ke a mo fa Mr Speaker.

MR SPEAKER: Yes sir MR MOTSAMAI: Point of clarification.

Motlotlegi Rre Molale, a ga o bone o itlhotlhora Batswana kana baagedi ba meepo e leng mo go bone?

O lebeletse gore o buelelele bagwebi, o bo o kgobotla batho ba ba thubegelwang ke matlo, ba ba senyegelwang ke dithoto mo motseng mme e le gore Motion o ne o... MR MOLALE: Nnyaa, fetsa o rile clarification ga go a twe debate, o a ntia.

Mr Speaker, mma ke tswelele.

a Government golo fa.


We are running a Government re na le yone Parliament as part of Government fa melao e dirwang teng.

Palamente e ga e ka ke ya tla go tlhatlaganya melao ka selo se le sengwefela e le gore kwa bofelong melao e tlaabo e lejwa e le go gatelela batho.

Ga se tsamaiso Honourable Gobotswang le wena Honourable Motsamai.

Ga se tsamaiso golo mo.

Le ntse le bua.

Ke gore ga re tlhole re itse gore lwa re re reng.


Ke gore fa re tla mo Palamenteng re re a re direng jaana lwa re re dira gore Palamente e rubber stamp.

Fa re dirisa tsamaiso ka melao e le e dirileng mo Palamenteng lwa re re nyatsa Palamente.

Tota gatwe la re re reng?

MR SPEAKER: Your time is up.

MR MOTSAMAI: Mma ke fetse.

MR MOLALE: Thank you Mr Speaker.

MR MOLALE: Mma ke tswelele o a ntia.


Ga ke itse gore a Honourable Motsamai o raya gore ka gore maloba o ne a bua ka matlo a thubegile go dirwa tsela ya Charles Hill-Ncojane, go ye go dirwa molao wa ditsela o batho ba tlaabong ba lebelela mo go faphegileng ka molao oo.

It is a redundant argument, very redundant.

Ke go boleletse gore this Government ka boipuso re dumalane gore ditswammung tsotlhe ke tsa rona rotlhe mo Botswana.

Ga go na fa ke ikgatholosang batho ba ba nnang mo tikologong ya mines teng.
E bile re tlhola re bona gore batho ba ba mo tikologong ya meepo enjoy a lot of Corporate Social Responsibility from those mines.

Rona ba re senang meepo re metsa mathe.

Ka gore ba a bo ba leka gore ba inaakanye le communities tse di foo, ke sone se se diragalang se Rre Gobotswang jaanong a reng se direlwe molao.

That is why ke re this thing is redundant ka gore these things are already happening.

Ga ke ka ke ka re ke ikgatholosa batho ba ba nnang kwa Jwaneng.
They are already enjoying a lot of things tsa Corporate Social Responsibility as opposed kwa Good Hope-Mabule kwa re senang moepo teng.

Ga re ka ke ra re a go dirwe molao go patelediwe batho go dira.

Nnyaa, le rona let us look for a niche market ya selo se sele like we are specialists in agriculture mme ga re ka ke rare re dira molao wa Corporate Social Responsibility mo agriculture to mitigate environmental impact.

Re setse re dira jalo, we are mitigating against the environmental impact.
Therefore, to be repetitive gongwe motho a bona gongwe molao o ne o sa diragadiwe a bo a re go dirwe molao o mongwe, ga se gone.

A re se ke ra nne re tsaya tsamaiso Puso o kare ke mmantlwane mo e yareng fa go nna jaana a bo gotwe a mokotswana o ikage, fa go potwa ka fa, a mokotswana o ikage.

No, we cannot work like that.

We are running MR SPEAKER: Honourable Molao followed by Honourable Saleshando.

MINISTER OF BASIC EDUCATION (MR MOLAO): Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.
Ga ke dumalane le mogopolo jaaka o beilwe.

O bona Mr Speaker fa go na le sengwe se se diretseng Batswana sentle, ke tumalano e e saleng e dirilwe fa re tsaya boipuso gore natural resources fa di tlaa fitlhelwang teng ke tsa Batswana botlhe.
O ka akanya gore fa ne megopolo e ke utlwang gompieno e buiwa ke batlotlegi gone fa e e tsamaelang kwa goreng fa go fitlhelwang natural resources teng di akolwe ke batho ba ba ntseng foo, Batswana ba bangwe bone ba sa di akole, ke dumela gore popagano le thokgamo ya lefatshe e ka bo… …Silence… MR MMOLOTSI: Point of order Mr Speaker.

Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

Ke re gongwe Honourable Molao o ntsha Ntlo mo tseleng ka gore ga go na ope yo o kileng a re ditswammung di dirisiwe ke dikgaolo tseo fela.
Batlotlegi ba tlhalosa gore kwa ditswammung kana natural resources di tswang teng go itshupe le gone gore tota di tswa koo.

Ga go na ope yo o kileng a e baya jaaka Honourable Molao.

O ntsha Ntlo mo tseleng ka bomo a ne a reeditse.

MR SPEAKER: I thought a re megopolo e e ntshiwang ke baakaulengwe ba gagwe fa a e lebile o kare e gogela ka kwa.

MR MMOLOTSI: Ee, mme o ipuela fela, ga e ye koo.

MR MOLAO: Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.


Fa nne motlotlegi a ka nna fela a itumela a le mo lodge ya gagwe, ga go na yo o ka mo tshwenyang.

Se ke se buang 28 Hansard No 205Friday 8th April, 2022GOVERNMENT TO INTRODUCE A MANDATORY CORPORATE SOCIAL RESPONSIBILITY LAW (CSR)Motion (Resumed Debate) fa ke gore dipuo tse di buegang fa fa o di reeditse tsa re fa go nang le meepo teng go bonale go tshutshuma go gaisa kwa go senang meepo teng.

Ke tsone dipuo tse di buegang gone fa.


Go builwe dikgang tsa gore re ne re le kwa bo Mmadinare go sena metsi mo motseng mme metsi a tswa kwa Mmadinare a ya kwa a yang teng.

Go buegile fa gore dikgaolo tse di tshwanang le tsa bo Letlhakane, Orapa le metse e e mabapi ga di lebege di tshutshuma jaaka dikgaolo tse dingwe mme ditswammung di tswa kwa Letlhakane, Orapa le metse e e mabapi.
Jaanong ka re re le Batswana, boeteledipele jwa lefatshe le jo bo simolotseng lefatshe le bo ne jwa nna le tebelopele ya gore fa go nang le natural resources teng ke tsa Batswana botlhe.

Di tshwanetse gore di tlhabolole Batswana botlhe ka go lekalekana.
Fa e ne e rile ba simolola ba bo ba re nnyaa ka gore re bone ditswammung fa, re tlhabolola tikologo e gore e tshutshume go gaisa ditikologo tse dingwe tse di senang diteemane kana tse di senang ditswammung, ga ke dumele gore ledula, thokgamo le ditlhabololo tsa lefatshe le fa re leng teng re ka bo re ntse sentle jaaka gompieno.

Kgang e ke e re tshwanetseng gore re e tseye ka matsetseleko, re e lebisitse.
Kwa mafatsheng a mangwe, dikgaogano le dintwa go simolotse gone fa, fa go nang le merafe e e leng gore they now own natural resources, they own mines, ba itlhabolola ba le foo lefatshe lotlhe le sa tlhabologe.

Go a itsege gore ga se karolo nngwe le nngwe ya lefatshe e e ka nnang le meepo le natural resources.
Jaanong fa re tsaya madi a a tlisiwang ke kepo ya ditswammung e, a bo a tsenngwa mo letloleng la ga Goromente a bo a kgaoganngwa Batswana botlhe, ke sone se se agileng Botswana, se dirile se Botswana a le sone gompieno, se re tshwanetseng gore re ikakatlele ka sone go ya pele.

A ke one mafoko a me a ke batlang go a bua e bile ke sa bonye.
Re tshwanetse golo mo ra itse gore go re beile… …Silence… MR MOLAO: …Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, wa Economic Inclusion, o o tsenyang ditshetlana tse tsa Corporate Social Responsibility e bile o tlama gore e dirwe, dikompone tse di gwebang mo Botswana, a ke tsa meepo kgotsa ke tsa eng fela ba dire Corporate Social Responsibility, ba lebelele tikologo e ba gwebang mo go yone.

Tumelo ya rona ke gore ra re molao o o lekane.


Ga re a tshwanela go ntsha ditswammung ka lesolegolo di le nosi ka gore kamoso fa re dira jalo re re ke ditswammung, the next day re tlaabo re tla ka molao o mongwe wa natural resources tse dingwe tse di e seng ditswammung, le tsone re di batlela molao wa tsone o o specific wa Corporate Social Responsibility.

Ga re ka ke ra tsamaisa lefatshe ka tsela e e ntseng jalo.
Molao wa Economic Inclusion o o akaretsa bagwebi botlhe le dikompone tsotlhe tse di gwebang mo lefatsheng la Botswana gore ba dire Corporate Social Responsibility e bile ba lebelele tikologo e ba tshelang mo go yone.

Fa go na le kgang ya gore fa go neng go epiwa teng, tumalano le melao e teng ya go epa gore morago fa o sena go nna o fetsa go epa o tshwanetse wa leka go busetsa seemo sa tikologo fa o neng o fitlhela tikologo e ntse ka teng pele ga o thibelela foo.
Ke melao e e tshwanetseng go gagamadiwa gore ba ba epang ba somarele tikologo gore morago ga kepo eo go se ka ga sala go na le dikgang tse di neng di buiwa tsa bo syenite, tsa bo Franscistow.

Eo re dumalana le yone gore ba ba epang ba tshwanetse go somarela tikologo.

Molao o o teng one o a supa gore Corporate Social Responsibility mo molaong o re letseng re o fetisa maabane mo Palamenteng o re tshwanetseng go ya go o tsenya mo tirisong.
E se ka ya re re fetisitse molao re ise re o tsenye mo tirisong, e bo e le gore jaanong we second-guess gore ga o ka ke wa bereka.

Re tshwanetse gore jaanong re o tsenye mo tirisong, re bone pereko ya one, re bone fa o ka tswang o na le diphoso teng, re tle re thibe diphatlha fa di ka tswang di le teng.
Ke sone se re se buang, ga gona ope yo o gananang le corporate social responsibility, ga gona ope yo o gananang gore dikgaolo tse di tshwanang le tsa bo Jwaneng, Letlhakane, Dukwi kwa go epiwang teng, bo Francistown, Matsitama kwa le gone go ne go epiwang teng, fa ditswammung di le teng, tikologo e babalelwe, e bile le batho ba ba mo tikologong eo ba nne le dithuso tse di ka tlhabololang dikgaolo tsa bone.
Ba bone ditiro fa go epiwang teng, go nne le tlhabologo e e supang gore golo fa go na le some economic activity e e diragalang.

Ke selo sotlhe se re dumalanang ka sone, ke gone fa re ne re dira Economic Inclusion le Procurement Law, re ne re tsenya ditshetlana tse, gore di tle di babalele batho ba ba mo tikologong e go dirwang ditirelo teng.

Ke selo se re se dumelang.

There are manufacturing activities tse di diragalang gone kwa bo Francistown, mme le tsone tseo di ama tikologo.
Ga re ka ke ra dira molao o o reng, nnyaa lona ba bo Nortex jaaka ba dira manufacturing, re ba reye re re le lona jaanong re dire molao o o specific ka gore environment le yone e a babalelwa ke metsi a le a ntshang, treatments tse le di dirang, therefore go dirwe molao o o specific, o o lebaganyeng le industries tse di tshwanang le tsa bo Nortex.
Ra re a botlhe ba ba gwebang 29 Hansard No 205Friday 8th April, 2022GOVERNMENT TO INTRODUCE A MANDATORY CORPORATE SOCIAL RESPONSIBILITY LAW (CSR)Motion (Resumed Debate) mo lefatsheng la Botswana ba sale molao o morago o re letseng re o fetisa, o re o tsenyang mo tirisong.

O o nang le corporate social responsibility, e bile o tlama e le molao.

Re se ka ra ntsha kepo ya ditswammung fela ka leso legolo.

A go akaretswe bogwebi jotlhe jo bo teng mo lefatsheng la Botswana.
A o ya kwa bo Ngamiland le Chobe kwa go nang le tourism teng, a Corporate Social Responsibility e dirwe.

Re sa dire specific fela re re, e ke ya tourism, ditswammung, manufacturing, ke ya kepo ya matamo a metsi.

E nne Corporate Social Responsibility ya industries tsotlhe tse di fitlhelwang mo lefatsheng la Botswana, tikologo e babalelwe.

Batho ba ba nnang foo le bone ba akole tse di tswang.

Le Batswana botlhe ba akole natural resources tse di fitlhelwang mo lefatsheng la bone.
Re se ka ra rotloetsa mokgwa wa go ikgogona wa gore, se se fitlhelwang fa ke sa rona, a re se akole go feta Batswana ba bangwe.

Dilo tse ke tsone tse di felelang di kgaoganya setšhaba.

Popagano ya bosetšhaba jwa rona ya gore dilo tse ke tsa rona rotlhe, e botlhokwa fela thata, re tshwanetse go e somarela.
Ke sone se re nnileng le melao ya gore, Motswana a ye go nna gongwe le gongwe fa a batlang go nna teng, go sena sepe se se mo kgoreletsang gore wena o wa letso la gore, o tswa kwa bo lebelebe ga o a tshwanela go nna fa kana wa gweba fa.

Ke selo se re tshwanetseng go se kgala …(Inaudible)… e keteng jaanong go tlaa rotloediwa ke batlotlegi mo Ntlong e. Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

MR SALESHANDO (MAUN WEST): Ke a go leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente.
Dinako tse dingwe go reetsa Matona ba re ba a bua o ka bona gore lefatshe le le nnile le khutso, le hutsitswe fa go tliwa mo boeteledingpele.

Kgang fela e e tlhamaletseng e e buang gore a dikhumo tse di tswang ka fa tlase ga lefatshe la rona mo ditswammung, mafelo a di bonwang kwa go one a se ka a salela morago jaaka re a bona a saletse kwa morago.

Ga re re a tshutshume jaaka Fidelis Molao a bua, gatwe a se ka a salela morago.
Ga ke itse gore a ke go tlhoka go dirisa puo ya ga mmaagwe gore a bo ene a e utlwile jalo.

Ga gona yo o buileng gore a tshutshume, gatwe a Boteti a se ka a salela morago, a setlhafala jaaka re mmona a ntse.

Fa go tualo Mothusa Tautona o a omana gore, o mang wena yo o ka tlang go bua gore Boteti a se ka a setlhafala, o kare ke tshwanelo ya batho ba Boteti go rua lehuma.
Re itse gore fa o tsena kwa metseng ya bo Toromoja, Rakops, gone fa khumo ya rona e tswang teng mo lefatsheng la Botswana, o bo o fitlhela e le gore gone koo le ba Statistics Botswana ba tlaa go bolelela gore dipalo tsa lehuma kwa Boteti kwa re beileng teng dikhumo, di kwa godimo go feta kwa Moshupa.

Boteti fa a ka tswala, budget will not balance, Moshupa fa a ka tswala, ga gona madi a re ka reng a re latlhegetse.
Mme kwa Moshupa go bo go nna le ditlhabololo tse e leng gore, le kwa metseng e mengwe e e leng meraka kana masimo, o fitlhela go na le dipone tsa bosigo tse di tshubang.

O bo o utlwa Mapalamente a dikgaolo tse di amegang tse ba re, “nnyaa, le batla go kgaoganya setšhaba, lesa batho ba Boteti ba tshwanetswe ke lehuma la bone.” Go ka go tsenya high blood dinako tse dingwe fa o reeditse bogogi jo bo tsayang gore bone ka ba ka bona dilo botoka, ba ka utlwisisa.
Mo gotweng ke eng re re mining fela, mafatshe a le mantsi a dirile a itebagantse le mining, because mining ga e tshwane le tse dingwe Honourable Fidelis Molao.

Extractive industries le fa o kare o bua gore re tlaa dira melao ya gore fa ba fetsa ba baakanye lefatshe le tshwana le jaaka le ne le ntse, ga gona ope molao o o ka o dirang o o ka re busetsang Orapa jaaka a ne a ntse nako e diteemane di felang.
Ga se ka ke sa diragala, le kwa Jwaneng fa diteemane tsele di fela ga gona ope yo o yang go nna le gore jaanong re thiba lehuti la Jwaneng.

Selebi Phikwe, the impact ya mine wa BCL, the cost ya teng, ga gona mo gotweng re tlaa tla re baakanya.

Ke goletse kwa toropong ya Selebi Phikwe kwa re neng re itse gore mosi o o tswang mo mine, le pula e e neng e na kwa Selebi Phikwe, e ne e tla e na le some acidic substances.
Fa o lema morogo kwa Selebi Phikwe mo lelwapeng, yo mongwe a o lema mo Gaborone, yo o o lemileng kwa Phikwe morogo wa teng o ne o senyega fa pula e nele.

Rona ba bangwe re ne ra laelwa ke dingaka re santse re le bannyennyane gore fudusa ngwana yo mo Selebi Phikwe, o pegiwa terena o tsamaya 400 kilometers away.

O ya go tsena sekole kwa St Josephs, ka gore dingaka di ne di dumela gore botsogo jwa me bo tshosediwa ka bontlha bongwe ke mosi o o tswang mo mine wa Selebi Phikwe.
Ke mathata a re lebaganyeng le one.

O bo o simolola o ntse o re, go na le molao wa Economic Inclusion, ga re bue ka Economic Inclusion fa, ga re bue ka targeted citizens.

Re bua ka disadvantaged communities.

Kwa bo Toteng kwa e leng gore gompieno botshelo jwa morui ga bo tshwane le jaaka pele, ga a na tshireletso ya melao e e leng teng mo nakong ya gompieno.

Dinako tse dingwe fa o reeditse bo Tona jaaka ke bua, o ka tsaya gore kana bone ba ka tswa ba itse melao botoka.
Rre Molao a re o kgopisiwa ke gore go ka twe batho ba Boteti le ba kwa bo Jwaneng ba direlwe thulaganyo e e faphegileng go sa dirwe sectors tse dingwe.
Gakere kwa bojanaleng Rre Fidelis re setse re na le bo Community 30 Hansard No 205Friday 8th April, 2022GOVERNMENT TO INTRODUCE A MANDATORY CORPORATE SOCIAL RESPONSIBILITY LAW (CSR)Motion (Resumed Debate) Based Natural Management Plan, e re itseng gore ditlou tse di re tsentse mo mathateng re tlaa dira thulaganyo e e faphegileng, gore le nne le dipolelo tse di lebaganyeng motse wa lona fela ka ditlou.
Ba o fetisitse bo Rre Molao, o se ka wa utlwa a omana gompieno a re go ka se ke go kgethololwe sector, ba e kgetholotse.

Ke gore se se teng gompieno se re se bonang mo Pusong ya Domkrag, ke petso ya dikakanyo tsa boeteledipele, ga se leuba la pula, ke leuba la dikakanyo tsa boeteledipele.

Rre Molale le ene o ne a bua gore go nna le Corporate Social Responsibility go tlaa koba bagwebi, ba tlaa sia.
Bagwebi ba batona kwa mafatsheng a mangwe ba a tsena ka dipalo tse di fetang tse ba tsenang ka tsone mo lefatsheng la Botswana.

Mma ke go fe sekai, kompone e tshwana ya First National Bank, kwa Africa Borwa re a itse gore ba agile stadium sa mabono sa bolo.

Kwano kwa e bile ba dirang dipoelo tse di kwa godimo teng, nnyaa le lebala fela la team fa e ka ikatisetsang teng ga le yo.

Ga ba ise ba sie kwa South Africa ka gore ba fitlhetse ba dirisitse madi a mantsi go tlhabolola metshameko kwa lefatsheng leo.
Petso ya dikakanyo tse di lolea tsa boeteledipele ke one mathata a matona a lefatshe la Botswana le lebaganeng le one.

Fa o batla go bona gore bagwebi ba re ba tshaba eng mo lefatsheng la Botswana, tsamaya o ye go bala reports tsa ease of doing business, o bo o bone ka fa seemo se senyegelang pele ka teng.
Ease of doing business, inefficiency ya lona le le Puso ka fa le tsamaisang ka teng gore kwano gompieno jaana fa e le gore mogwebi kwa lefatsheng le lengwe o kgona go bona renewal of a working and residence permit online within minutes, mo Botswana, Mopalamente le kwa dikgaolong tsa rona re taboga mo diofising tsa Puso, o fetsa dikgwedi o botsa gore ke eng motho yo a sa fiwe work and residence permit a na le investments tse a di beileng mo, a na le decades a nna mo lefatsheng la Botswana?
O taboga lepaapaa justifying, o kopa, o rapela gore o kgone go bona diteseletso tsa go tswelela o tsamaisa kgwebo ya gago mo lefatsheng la Botswana.

Lona le tshaba di sele tse le di buang.

Ke gore o kgona go bona le gompieno gore le fa Rre Gobotswang a bua jaana, Matona a a itseng melao, mongwe le mongwe o tshwara kwa, yo mongwe a re nna ka fa ke itseng ka teng Citizen Economic Inclusion ke yone e tlaa itebaganyang le ene.

Yo mongwe a re ke itse procurement, molao wa teng ke one o tlaa itebaganyang.
Yo mongwe o tswa ka fa a re nna ke itse Mining and Minerals Act, yo mongwe o tswa ka fa a re nna ke itse Mining and Quarries Act.

O kgona go bona gore golo fa bagolo ga ba itse se go buiwang ka sone, ba pholetha mo lefifing, there is no plan ya go fetola seemo sa batho ba matshelo a bone a yang go fetolwa in a fundamental way.

Ke gore jaanong bone ba tshelela mo lefelong le go nang le an extractive industry activity taking place fa ba nnang teng.
Ga se fela mo gotweng go raya gore molao o a re o tsenye le kwa manufacturing, se se supa go timela ga baeteledipele mo re go reeditseng mo go Motlotlegi Molao e le Tona a bua ka gone mo letsatsing la gompieno.

Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, ke tlhaloganya se se buiwang ke Rre Gobotswang.

Ke gore fela maDomkrag ba na le tshwetso e ba e tsereng.

Ba dumela gore ba na le monopoly of wisdom, ga ba ke ba batla go lebelela mabaka o ba a baya pele.
Ke sone se o bonang re ne re tswa mo lepotlapotleng la gore go ye to amend Molaomotheo.

Makgoa ba na le expression e e seng ya go tlhokela motho maitseo, go na le mo gotweng thumb sucking.

E rile ke akanya monwana wa me ke bo ke tlelwa ke number four, ke ne ke re a re oketse ka ene.

Ntsha mabaka, re bo rotlhe re amogela gore monwana wa ga rre yo o na le botlhale jo bo lemilweng mo teng, after thumb sucking, he comes up with four, no basis, no statistics to support, no numbers.
E bo go tsena fela gotlhe o kare ke dikgomo di tswa mo lesakeng go a tlhomaganwa gotwe four-four, fa o sa re four ga o na maikarabelo.

O ka bona gore re na le petso mo lefatsheng lone le; mathata a rona ga se COVID-19, ke boeteledipele jo bo feletsweng ke dikakanyo.

Ke solofela gore batlhophi ba bona se se diragalang.
Ke solofela gore batlhophi ba kwa Boteti ba bona se se diragalang gore moemedi wa bone o bona lehuma la bone e le maemo, e le poko, e le sengwe se e leng gore ga a a tshwanela go se tseelwa.

Le fa go tla Mopalamente yo mongwe a re re akanyetseng bale, o kare go saletse kwa morago, a re nnyaa re leseng ka lehuma la rona.

Mo ke petso!

Ke a go leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente.
MR MOTSAMAI (GHANZI SOUTH): E ile nako Mr Speaker, ke gore gongwe re supe fela ka botlalo gore ke boammaaruri ba party ya Domkrag ba ne ba kopane ba ikwaenela go tla go gana mogopolo.

Kana fa ba ikwaenne go ne go ka nna botoka fa ba ka boela kwa ba ikwaenneng teng, ba ya go ikwaenola gore jaanong kana go ntshitswe mabaka, a re boele morago re sekaseke mabaka ale a a utlwala.

Jaanong ga gona nako ya gore ba ye go ikwaenolola, ba ikwanne gore ba gane.
Le fa o ka tlhola o ba bolelela motshegare otlhe, phologolo e gotweng esela e kgona go longwa ke… Go na le ditshidinyana tse dingwe tse di nnang mo 31 Hansard No 205Friday 8th April, 2022GOVERNMENT TO INTRODUCE A MANDATORY CORPORATE SOCIAL RESPONSIBILITY LAW (CSR)Motion (Resumed Debate) ditlhareng tsa mosu, e kgona go tsenya tlhogo e longwa gone mo mosung oo, e bo e raga fela kwa morago e sa itse gore tota e longwa kwa tlhogong mo ditsebeng, e tshwanetse ya ntsha tlhogo ya sia.
Se re se bonang ka boeteledipele… HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ditshidinyana tsa teng di kile tsa go loma?

MR MOTSAMAI: …bo tsere ditshwetso tsa go ikwaena.

Didimala ke a bua.

O thole o re tuu!

Jaanong Mr Speaker, ke dumela gore ga re a tshwanela gore dinako tsotlhe bo Rre Molale le bo Mothusa Tautona ba nna ba tla go re kgalemela ba bo ba re omanyetsa gore re koba bagwebi.
Ra reng ka batho ba ba re tlhophileng ka e bile re sa kwalela bagwebi lekwalo la gore tswangtswang le tsamaye, re bua mabaka fela a a tlhamaletseng.

Motswana a re “khudu e nyela morwadi,” e bile “ntša go fiwa teleki.” A raya gore batho ba ba foo ba ba babalelwang ke manokonoko a selo, ke bone ba tshwanetseng gore go lejwe mo go bone Mr Speaker.

Mothusa Tautona a re tlogela fela kgaolo e nne jaaka e ntse e tshwana le ya Rakops.
Re bua jaana batho ba ba meepo, ba ka bo ba setse ba thusitse go tlhatswa metsi a Boteti a a nkgang sebodu.

Ke one maikaelelo a matona a re batlang go a fetsa.

Mr Speaker, ke a leboga.

MR SPEAKER: Ema gone foo fa metsi a a nkgang sebodu.

MR MOTSAMAI: Ee rra, ke batla go a nosa... MR SPEAKER: May I call upon the Leader of the House to move a Motion of adjournment.

MOTION ADJOURNMENT LEADER OF THE HOUSE (MR TSOGWANE): Thank you Mr Speaker.
Re a leboga Mr Speaker, gore nako e bo e tšhaile, re ye go rarabolola confusion ya confusions, mother of all confusions kwa bophirima, jaanong o a lebala Leader of the Opposition (LOO).

Mr Speaker, a re kope gore Ntlo e eme fa.

Fa e le kgaolo yone e tsamaile, UDC e ya go tsaya Maun West e e neela rona.

Question put and agreed to.
The Assembly accordingly adjourned at 12:33 p.m. until Monday 11th April, 2022 at 2:00 p.m. 32 Hansard No 205Friday 8th April, 2022GOVERNMENT TO INTRODUCE A MANDATORY CORPORATE SOCIAL RESPONSIBILITY LAW (CSR)Motion (Resumed Debate) HANSARD RECORDERS Mr T. Gaodumelwe, Mr T. Monakwe, Ms T. Kebonang HANSARD REPORTERS Mr M. Buti, Ms Z. Molemi, Mr J. Samunzala, Ms N. Selebogo, Ms A. Ramadi, Ms D. Thibedi, Ms G. Baotsi HANSARD EDITORS Ms K. Nyanga, Ms C. Chonga, Mr K. Goeme, Ms G. Phatedi, Ms B. Malokwane, Mr A. Mokopakgosi, Ms O. Nkatswe, Ms G. Lekopanye, Ms T. Mokhure, Ms B. Ratshipa LAYOUT DESIGNERS Mr B.
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