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THE SECOND MEETING OF THE THIRD SESSION OF THE TWELFTH PARLIAMENT THURSDAY 24 FEBRUARY 2022 MIXED VERSION HANSARD NO: 205 THE NATIONAL ASSEMBLY SPEAKER The Hon.

Phandu T. C. Skelemani PH, MP.

DEPUTY SPEAKER Hon.

P. P. P. Moatlhodi, MP.

(Tonota) Clerk of the National Assembly Deputy Clerk of the National Assembly Acting Learned Parliamentary Counsel Assistant Clerk (E) His Excellency Dr M. E. K. Masisi, MP.

His Honour S. Tsogwane, MP.


(Boteti West) CABINET - President - Vice President - Ms B. N. Dithapo - Mr L. T. Gaolaolwe - Advocate L. O. Tlhowe - Mr R. Josiah Hon.

K. N. S. Morwaeng, MP.

(Molepolole South) - Minister for Presidential Affairs, Governance and Public Administration Hon.

K. T. Mmusi, MP.

(Gabane-Mmankgodi) - Minister of Defence, Justice and Security Hon.

Dr L. Kwape, MP.

(Kanye South) - Minister of International Affairs and Cooperation Hon.

K. K. Autlwetse, MP.


(Specially Elected) - Minister of Local Government and Rural Development Hon.

K. S. Gare, MP.

(Moshupa-Manyana) - Minister of Agricultural Development and Food Security Hon.

P. K. Kereng, MP.

(Specially Elected) - Minister of Environment, Natural Resources Conservation and Tourism Hon.

Dr E. G. Dikoloti MP.

(Mmathethe-Molapowabojang) - Minister of Health and Wellness Hon.

T.M.

Segokgo, MP.

(Tlokweng) - Minister of Transport and Communications Hon.

K. Mzwinila, MP.
K. Mzwinila, MP.

(Specially Elected) - Minister of Land Management, Water and Sanitation Services Hon.

T. M. Rakgare, MP.

(Mogoditshane) - Minister of Youth Empowerment, Sport and Culture Development Hon.

A. M. Mokgethi, MP.

(Gaborone Bonnington North) - Minister of Nationality, Immigration and Gender Affairs Hon.

P. O. Serame, MP.

(Specially Elected) - Minister of Finance and Economic Development Hon.

F. M. M. Molao, MP.

(Shashe West) - Minister of Basic Education Hon.

Dr D. Letsholathebe, MP.


(Tati East) Hon.

L. M. Moagi, MP.

(Ramotswa) - Minister of Tertiary Education, Research, Science and Technology - Minister of Mineral Resources, Green Technology and Energy Security Hon.

M. Kgafela, MP.

(Mochudi West) - Minister of Investment, Trade and Industry Hon.

M. R. Shamukuni, MP.

(Chobe) - Minister of Employment, Labour Productivity and Skills Development Hon.

E. M. Molale, MP.

(Goodhope-Mabule) - Minister of Infrastructure and Housing Development Hon.
D. M. Mthimkhulu, MP.

(Gaborone South) - Assistant Minister, Presidential Affairs, Governance and Public Administration Hon.

S. N. Modukanele, MP.

(Lerala -Maunatlala) Hon.

T. Monnakgotla, MP.

(Kgalagadi North) Hon.

M. M. Pule, MP.

(Mochudi East) Hon.

M. S. Molebatsi, MP.


(Mmadinare) - Assistant Minister, Local Government and Rural Development - Assistant Minister, Local Government and Rural Development - Assistant Minister, Local Government and Rural Development - Assistant Minister, Agricultural Development and Food Security Hon.

S. Lelatisitswe, MP.

(Boteti East) - Assistant Minister, Health and Wellness Hon.

N. W. T. Makwinja, MP.

(Lentsweletau-Mmopane) - Assistant Minister, Basic Education Hon.

B. Manake, MP.
B. Manake, MP.

(Specially Elected) - Assistant Minister, Investment, Trade and Industry Hon.

H. B. Billy, MP.

(Francistown East) Hon.

A. Lesaso, MP.

(Shoshong) - Assistant Minister, Youth Empowerment, Sport and Culture Development - Assistant Minister,Tertiary Education, Research, Science and Technology MEMBERS OF PARLIAMENT AND THEIR CONSTITUENCIES Names Constituency Hon.

L. Kablay, MP.

(Government Whip) Letlhakeng-Lephephe RULING PARTY (Botswana Democratic Party) Hon.

Dr U. Dow, MP.

Hon.


P. Majaga, MP.

Hon.

M. Balopi, MP.

Hon.

J. S. Brooks, MP.

Hon.

C. Greeff, MP.

Hon.

T. Letsholo, MP.

Hon.

T. F. Leuwe, MP.

Hon.

T. Mangwegape-Healy, MP.

Hon.

Dr T. Matsheka, MP.

Hon.

S. N. Moabi, MP.

Hon.

P. K. Motaosane, MP.

Hon.

O. Regoeng, MP.

Hon.

J. L. Thiite, MP.


Specially Elected Nata-Gweta Gaborone North Kgalagadi South Gaborone Bonnington South Kanye North Takatokwane Gaborone Central Lobatse Tati West Thamaga-Kumakwane Molepolole North Ghanzi North OPPOSITION (Umbrella for Democratic Change) Hon.

D. Saleshando, MP.

(Leader of the Opposition) Hon.

M. G. J. Motsamai, MP.


(Opposition Whip) Maun West Ghanzi South Selebi Phikwe West Mahalapye East Sefhare-Ramokgonami Ngami Okavango Maun East Bobonong Selebi Phikwe East Palapye Nkange Mahalapye West Francistown West Hon.

D. L. Keorapetse, MP.

Hon.

Y. Boko, MP.

Hon.

Dr K. Gobotswang, MP.

Hon.

C. K. Hikuama, MP.

Hon.

K. K. Kapinga, MP Hon.

G. Kekgonegile, MP.

Hon.

T. B. Lucas, MP.

Hon.

K. Nkawana, MP.

Hon.

O. Ramogapi, MP.

Hon.

Dr N. Tshabang, MP.

Hon.

D. Tshere, MP.

Hon.


M. I. Moswaane, MP.

Hon.

T. S. Khama, MP.

Hon.

L. Lesedi, MP.

Hon.

B. Mathoothe, MP.

Hon.

M. Reatile, MP.

(Botswana Patriotic Front) Serowe West Serowe South Serowe North Jwaneng-Mabutsane Hon.

W. B. Mmolotsi, MP.
Francistown South (Alliance for Progressives) TABLE OF CONTENTS THE SECOND MEETING OF THE THIRD SESSION OF THE TWELFTH PARLIAMENT THURSDAY 24th FEBRUARY, 2022 CONTENTS PAGE (S SPEAKER’S REMARKS..........................................................................................................................................1 QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER................................................................................................................1-17 QUESTION WITHOUT NOTICE....................................................................................................................18-28 Thursday 24th February, 2022 (iv) the timeframe as to when the tender will be THE ASSEMBLY met at 2:00 p.m. (THE SPEAKER in the Chair) P R A Y E R S * * * * SPEAKER’S REMARKS MR SPEAKER (MR SKELEMANI): Order!
Honourable Members, good afternoon.

Let us start our business of today with questions.

Before we put the first question, will anyone of you who wants to move a Motion suspending the Standing Order limiting the time for questions to 45 minutes?

Suspending that Standing Order, so that we can deal with all the questions on the Order Paper.

…Silence… evaluated and allocation of plots made.

ACTING MINISTER OF LAND MANAGEMENT, WATER AND SANITATION SERVICES (MR PULE): Tanki Mr Speaker.
I am acting for Honourable Mzwinila.

As you know, he is on a trip outside the country.

Thank you very much Honourable Ramogapi for the question that you have asked.

Mr Speaker, I would like to preamble my response by mentioning that the Tender No.

NLB 01/10/2019 for 329 non-residential plots for Ngwato Land Board of which 178 plots were for Palapye Sub-Land Board was published.
The Palapye plots consisted of 63 industrial plots, 48 civic and community plots, 42 multi-family residential plots, 19 commercial plots, five tourism and one recreational.

The tender was cancelled on the 17th May 2021 after identification of mistakes in the tender document during the evaluation process.

MR SPEAKER: Otherwise after 45 minutes, we will have to adjourn.

(i) Mr Speaker, the total number of applications received for Palapye Sub-Land Board was 4440.
HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… (ii) The total amount raised from Palapye applications HONOURABLE MEMBER: Mr Speaker, I move that the Standing Order limiting question time to 45 minutes be suspended for today.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: You have go to do it standing.

Question put and agreed to.
QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER PALAPYE COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL PLOTS MR O. RAMOGAPI (PALAPYE): asked the Minister of Land Management, Water and Sanitation Services to apprise this Honourable House on the Palapye commercial and industrial plots advertisements which were done about two years ago but the applicants were never invited for interviews; stating the following: (i) the total number of applicants; (ii) the total amount raised in the tender through buying of the tender; (iii) what led to the cancellation of the tender evaluation; and was P1, 243, 050.00.
(iii) The tender evaluation was cancelled due to mistakes identified in the tender document during the evaluation process.

(iv) Mr Speaker, as this tender was cancelled, the plan is that plots will be re-advertised in March 2022 and then other processes will follow.

Thank you Mr Speaker.

MR RAMOGAPI: Supplementary.

Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.


Tona e le gore mistakes tse o buang ka tsone, fa go tsweletse go dirwa, go ne go se na batho ba ba etleng ba nne ba tlhola jaaka re itse gore fa go sena go nna go dirwa, go na le lephata le lengwe le le tlholang pele fa go neelwa batho?

Ba ba tshwanang le quality assurance, ba a e sekaseka, ba bo ba re nnyaa, mme e siame.

A batho bao ba ne ba seyo?


Sa bobedi; Tona, kana batho ba Palapye rra, ba sha ntshu, ba a belaela gore a e seng tota bagolo ba lemogile gore ba ne ba sa apply, jaanong ba batla gore ba sukunyele?

Wa reng ka se Honourable Minister?

Bangwe bagolo ga ke itse gore ba raya bafe batho ba Palapye.

A ba raya maland board kana bafe fela.

Ba re gongwe go ka tswa go sa diragala sentle gone foo Mr Speaker.
1 Hansard No 205Thursday 24th February, 2022QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER E nngwe gape ke botse gore tota mme go tsaya madi a a kanakana a a tshwarang bo one million mo Batswaneng, a bo e le gore go khanselwa tender, e sa bolo go nna lebaka le le kanakana, a bo a busiwa go sena interest, a ga se go ja Batswana Honourable Minister?

Ke go leboge rraetsho, ka dikarabo tse o neng o ntse o di nneela tseo, ga ke a simolola ke go leboga Honourable Minister.

MR PULE: Thank you Mr Speaker.


Ke lebogela supplementaries tsa ga Motlotlegi Ramogapi.

Kana go na le Sekgoa se se reng to err is human.

Ke dumalana le wena rraetsho gore Invitation to Tender (ITT) fa e dirwa, e a tlholwa.

Kana fa gongwe go ka nna gore le wena checker ya ITT, o bo o dira diphoso.

Ga se yone fela, go na le dilo dingwe tse di kgonang gore di fete di sa lemosege, e le molato kana phoso e e dirwang ke motho.
Jaanong kana as you know, the evaluation committee is made up by batho ba bangwe ba ba farologanyeng who are not really in the process of bidding.

Ke batho ba ba ikemetseng koo ka bonosi, jaanong go raya gore bone fa ba tsena, bokgoni jwa bone jwa ba lemotsha gore diphoso di teng mo ITT.

Ba bo ba re nnyaa, ga re ka ke ra fetisa tender e ntse jaana, a re e khansele.
Jaaka o itse Rre Ramogapi, go tswa mo go 2019, fa tender e khanselwa, go ne ga tsena kgang ya COVID, go bo go nna le restrictions, go bo go raya gore the evaluation committees were not able go dumalana gore ba tle ba tsenye meeting o mongwe.

Go bo go nniwa fela ka mabaka a restrictions tse di neng di le teng.
Ke dingwe tsa dilo tse di neng tsa dira gore, jaaka o bua mo potsong ya gago ya bofelo gore madi a jaanong a tlile go busiwa fela go sena interest, nnyaa, go ka se ka ga nna jalo ka gore tota molato ga se land board, molato ke gore go ne ga nna le madiadia a a neng a dira gore ba se ka ba boela tiro ya teng ka bonako.

Boammaaruri jo bo leng teng rraetsho, ke gore fela jaaka e le tsamaiso, fa go ya go dirwa re-advertisement ka March, go raya gore the bidders botlhe ba ba neng ba duetse, ga ba na go duela.
Ba e leng gore ga ba na to bid, ba tlile go busediwa madi otlhe, mme go sena interest.

Eo, ke maswabi gore a tlaa busiwa fela go sena interest.

Jaanong kgang e nngwe e o e buang mokaulengwe ya bagolo ba ba e khansetseng ka gore gongwe ba batla go tsenya leino mo teng, nnyaa, eo ke e utlwa ka wena.

Ga ke itse fa go na le kgang ya go nna jalo ka gore eo, ga e ise e tsene mo ditsebeng tsa rona.
Fa e le gore go ntse jalo, re ka swaba thata ka gore ga re eletse gore go nne le batho ba mofuta oo, mo lefatsheng la Botswana ba ba ka khanselang tender ka gore ba batla go tsenya leino mo teng.

Ke a leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo la Palamente.

MR LUCAS: Supplementary.

Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.


Tona, ke botse gore mo ditsheng tse o buang gore di bapaditswe mme ga nna le phoso, a le ne le na le thulaganyo ya gore go nne le tse le di seegelang kwa thoko for banana, bomme, banalebogole kgotsa targeted citizens,lefoko ke le re kile ra le bua ngogola.

A mme go na le thulaganyo e e neng e ntse jalo?

Ya bobedi ke gore ba bangwe ba ne ba ikopela pele ga go emisiwa ba le dingwaga di le kwa tlase ga 35.
Fa e le gore go na le thulaganyo ya banana, ba ka March ba tlaabong ba fetile 35 mme ba ne ba ikopetse, le dira eng ka bone?

Ya bofelo ke gore, go lebega batho ba ikopetse ka bokete kwa Palapye ba le 4 000, ke tsaya gore ba bangwe ba ikopetse kwa Bobirwa le mafelo a mangwe a Ga Mmangwato.

Ka go lebega batho ba ikopetse ka bokete, a le na le thulaganyo ya go bapatsa gape ditsha tsa mofuta o mo nakong e e khutshwane?
Fa e le gore le na le thulaganyo eo, le ikaelela go e simolola leng le lebile gore batho ba batla ditsha tse ka bokete?

Ke a leboga.

MR PULE: Thank you Mr Speaker.

Thank you Honourable Lucas for such important questions.
Ke tsibogele ka gore, tota mo moalong o ke nang le one fa go ka nna thata mo go nna gore ke go reye ke re mo ditsheng tse, jaaka di kgaogantswe re buile ka bo civic, industrial, multifamily residential le commercial, tota ga ke na information ya gore banana, bomme le banalebogole ba kae mo teng, ka gore go raya gore nako ya teng ke a belaela gore re ne re sa dira quota ya teng.
Go na le possibility ya gore some of them could be batho ba groups tse o sa tswang go bua ka tsone, ga ke na karabo right now motlotlegi.

Fa e ne gongwe e rile Rre Ramogapi a e botsa, a bo a kile gongwe a baya eo e e faphegileng gore o mpolelele gore mo batho bao banalebogole, banana le bomme ba kae, ke ka bo ke kopile information ya go nna jalo.

Go obvious gore applicants ba na le dingwaga tse di farologaneng, ga ke na bo nnete jwa gore seo se ka bo se dirilwe.
Mo potsong ya gago ya bobedi ya gore, jaaka go ikopetswe e bile go diegilwe, re ya go dira jang ka banana.

Le eo ke ne ke re gongwe ke se ka ka ikgolega ka yone, re tloga re fitlhela gongwe mo go bone batho 2 Hansard No 205Thursday 24th February, 2022QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER ba go sena banana mo teng, e bo gongwe ke ikgolegile ke re nnyaa, re ya go fapha tse kana re di faphela banana, kana tse kana re reng, re reng.
Ke tsaya gore ke kgang e re ka e tlhokomelang ra e baya mo tafoleng ra e sekaseka motlotlegi, re bone gore a go ka se ka ga nna le thulaganyo ya mofuta oo.

Ya bofelo ke ya gore go lebega batho ba ikopetse ka dipalo tse di kwa godimo, ke dumalana le wena, 4 440 is a big number mo ditsheng di le 329.

Tota fela go raya gore Ngwato Land Board e tshwanetse e eme ka dinao, e bone gore mo bogautshwaneng ba dira se o se kopang motlotlegi.
Mo go se sebaka ke ka se ka ka go raya ka re thulaganyo eo e setse e le teng re a e itse.

Ke tsaya gore ke kgang e e botlhokwa e o e bayang mo pele ga rona gore, gongwe re e rekisetse ba Ngwato Land Board le ba Palapye gore ba diragatse mogopolo o o tshwanang wa gago o o botlhokwa mo go kalokalo.

Ke a leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente.

MR SPEAKER: Honourable Mathoothe.

MR MATHOOTHE: I am covered Mr Speaker.

MR SPEAKER: Thank you.

Honourable Balopi has reported that he will not be in.
So we go to number three, Honourable Leuwe.

CONSTRUCTION OF MINI STADIUM MR F. T. LEUWE (TAKATOKWANE): asked the Minister of Youth Empowerment, Sport and Culture Development to state when a mini stadium will be constructed in the Letlhakeng Sub-District to encourage sport development in the area.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Mavange, please act, ga gona Minister.

MR SPEAKER: Honourable Leuwe, batho ba siile botlhe.

MR LEUWE: Jaanong re dira jang Mr Speaker fa batho ba siile botlhe?
MR SPEAKER: Ga re ka ke ra kgona go e araba, ke gore re fetele kwa go e e latelang.

YOUTH EDUCATIONAL PROGRAMMES MR S. N. MOABI (TATI WEST): asked the Minister of Environment, Natural Resources Conservation and Tourism: (i) whether the ministry instituted educational programmes to empower youth in the tourism sector from 1 January 2020 up to the latest specified date for which information is available; if not, why not; if so, (ii) to update this Honourable House on the status of the specified programmes.
ACTING MINISTER OF ENVIRONMENT, NATURAL RESOURCES CONSERVATION AND TOURISM (MR PULE): Thank you Mr Speaker, o nkopile gore ke mo arabele.

Let me first thank the Honourable Member Moabi for Tati West yo o boditseng potso e e botlhokwa mo go kanakana e. Mr Speaker, my ministry has instituted educational programmes to empower Batswana including the youth in the tourism sector through various platforms such as; workshops, career fairs, Kgotla meetings and participation at exhibitions.
My ministry, through the Department of Tourism, has sensitised the local communities, including the youth, on the available opportunities in the tourism sector as well as on the requirements for applying for a tourism enterprise licence.
For a wider reach, sensitisation was also done through the Bojanala radio programme which is aired on RB1 every Thursday at 5:45 p.m. Community outreach is continuing in the different districts throughout the country, and at times is conducted in collaboration with the local authorities.
Areas of coverage so far include the following: 3 Hansard No 205Thursday 24th February, 2022QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER DISTRICT Boteti Sub-District: Mmatshumo Moreomaoto Xere Mokobaxane & Mopipi North-East District Borolong, Ramokgwebana & Jacklas No.1 Kgalagadi District Tsabong, Zutshwa McCathys’ Rust Kweneng District Ghanzi District Qabo, Bere, New Xade, East Hanahai, West Hanahai, New Xanagas, Kacgae and Grootlagt.
Okavango Sub-District Sepopa and Ikoga DATES TARGET PARTICIPANTS March, July and August 2021 Local communities including youths, Gaing-O Community Trust Moreomaoto Community Trust Xere Community Trust Mokopi Community Trust February and November 2021, February 2022 Local communities Mazibakufa Development Trust including youths, February & September 2020, December 2021 Local communities including youths, Qhaa-Qhing Conservation Trust September 2021 Tsetseng Ithuseng Development Trust February, January, November, December 2020 and March 2021 July 2021 including communities youths, Local Xhwiskurusa Conservation Trust, AU-She- Xla-Ulu Trust, Association of Environmental Clubs of Botswana in these areas.
(AECB) Local communities including youths.

Mr Speaker, during the period from 1st January, 2020 to date, the educational programmes planned by my ministry were halted primarily due to the COVID 19 challenges and uncertainties that had forced the tourism sector to down- scale operations, including training.
My ministry is optimistic that with the easing of the restrictions, initiatives aimed at empowering the local communities particularly the youths, including Tati West youths, will be enhanced as part of the tourism recovery plan.

Mr Speaker, in conclusion, youths nationwide, including Tati West youths, can access various types of information including tourism business opportunities information from my ministry’s up-to-date Facebook page.
We are committed to reach out to Batswana and ensure the realisation of overall goal of ‘positioning Botswana as a tourist destination of choice by year 2030 and beyond’ as echoed in the Revised Tourism Policy of 2021.

I thank you Mr Speaker MR MOABI: Supplementary.

Thank you Mr Speaker.

Ke a go leboga Tona ka karabo ya gago e e bophara.

O e arabile mme ga o a wela.

Ke utlwile ka fa o neng o supa ka teng.


Golo fa re na le dikgaolo tse di tshwanang le Gulubane, Mambo le Masingwaneng mme ga go na maranyane teng.

O ne o supa gore banana can access ka maranyane jalo.

Potso ke gore le ya go dira jang gore le goroge kwa bathong ba ba senang access ya maranyane jaaka o ne o supa?

O supile gape fa le kila la ya Ramokgwebana le Dimafofa ka teng.

Tse dingwe o morongwa, legale re tlaa tla re di buisanya le Tona ka gore ga a yo.
Re na le Domboshaba le Nyewele kwa kgaolong ya me.

O tlhalosetse Bakalaka bale ba Tati West gore maikaelelo a lona jaaka le itse re na le Domboshaba ngwaga le ngwaga le Nyewele, maikaelelo ke eng?

Le ya go dira jang go bona le tokafaditse kwa Domboshaba le Nyewele?

HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… 4 Hansard No 205Thursday 24th February, 2022QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER MR PULE: Thank you Mr Speaker.

Thank you Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente.


Le fa ke le rraboipelogo, mme ke yo e keteng o bulegile tlhaloganyo go tshwana le Lucas.

Dikgang tse o di boditseng o latedisa Motlotlegi Moabi, ke tsaya gore ke diagetse.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Minister, o raya gore borraboipelego ba bangwe ga ba a bulega ditlhaloganyo.

MR PULE: Nnyaa, ga ke ise ke rialo.

O a bo o nkgolega molotlhanyi ke wena.


Ke ne ke araba Motlotlegi Moabi ke re mo karabong ya me, ke tlhalositse gore kwa ntle ga Facebook page re na le Kgotla meetings, forum tse re kopanang le trusts tse e leng gore they are established.

Ke tsaya gore Domboshaba is one of the established trusts tse re di itseng, tse di popular mo lefatsheng la Botswana.

Jaanong ke ka raya Bakalaka ba Domboshaba ke re, re e tla koo.

Jaanong o kare seemo se a re letla gore re ka nna le outreach programmes.
Re tlile go tla koo.

Re santse re tlile go dira lenaneo le lengwe le re tlaabong re etela dikgaolo tsotlhe motlotlegi go tla go ba bona.

Jaanong raya ba Domboshaba o ba reye o re, Lephata la Tourism le e tla kwa go bone mo nakong e e sa fediseng pelo.

Ke a leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente.

MR MOABI: Last supplementary.

Ke a leboga Tona ka fa o supang ka teng.

Le nna ke a amogela ka fa o supang teng.

Ke buile ka Nyewele Minister; go ne go na le fund e e neng e tshwanetse ya tsosa Nyewele.
O tle o fetise kgang e ya gore fund e, re ne re e solofeditswe.

Ke a itse gore e teng.

Lephata la gago le re solofetsa gore madi a tlaa ya go thusa Nyewele, a nna le ditiro, re ya go a bona leng?

MR PULE: Ke a leboga motlotlegi.

Ke a leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente.

Nnyaa molaetsa o tlaa goroga rraetsho.

Jaaka o itse gore ke tshwareletse Tona wa Environment, ke tlaa o gorosa rraetsho.
Fa ke tšhaisa fa, ke tlaabo ke mo leletsa ke mmolelela gore mma fa o tswa koo, o tle o ipaakanyeditse Nyewele.

O ye go tlhalosa gore go diragala eng.

Ke a leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente.

YOUTH DEVELOPMENT FUND (ii) how many YDF businesses are still operational and how many have collapsed; and (iii) lessons learned from all the projects funded.
MR MOTSAMAI: Ke kopilwe ke Buti Billy Mr Speaker gore ga a kgona go tshwaragana le Rre Nkawana, o mo kopa gore a tlosolose potso a e ise fa pele, ka boikokobetso.

MR SPEAKER: O kopilwe ke mang?

MR MOTSAMAI: Motlotlegi Buti Billy, fa e le gore ke yone sentle.

Later Date.
Later Date.

ARCHITECTURAL DESIGNS OF DESTITUTE HOUSING MR K. K. KAPINGA (OKAVANGO): asked the Minister of Local Government and Rural Development: (i) what explains the difference in architectural designs of destitute housing in Okavango as compared to other districts, especially those in the south of the country; (ii) why houses in Okavango are much smaller than those being built in other parts of the country.
OF MINISTER ASSISTANT LOCAL GOVERNMENT AND RURAL DEVELOPMENT (MR PULE): Ke a leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente.

Ke a leboga Honourable Kapinga wa tsala ya me.

Tota karabo ya me e khutshwane, ga e na go nna telelele.

Ga re na maikaelelo ape a gore mo matlong a batlhoki, re nne le plans tse gotweng tse ke tsa kwa North, tse ke tsa kwa South.

E bile ga re na maikaelelo a gore batlhoki ba agelwe matlo fela a a tshwanang.
Jaaka o itse Honourable Lucas, re le ba Lephata la Social Work, re dumela mo goreng batlhoki ga ba a tshwanela go nna le mo gotweng ke labels gore gotwe matlo a ke a batlhoki, plan e o e bonang mo go semangmang ke ya batlhoki.

Maikaelelo a rona ke gore batlhoki ba agelwe fela jaaka Motswana yo mongwe le yo mongwe.
MR K. NKAWANA (SELEBI PHIKWE EAST): asked the Minister of Youth Empowerment, Sport and Culture Development to state: (i) the number of youths who have received funding under the Youth Development Fund (YDF) programme in the last five years in Selebi Phikwe East Constituency; Se ke ka se arabang ke gore dikhansele tota ga di agela batlhoki, di lebelela itsholelo ya tsone, a bo di lebelela le palo ya family kana lelwapa le le agelwang gore batho ba kae.
Gore motho a agelwe two and half kana one and half, go tlaa laolwa ke palo.

Re a itse gore bontsi jwa batlhoki ke batho ba ba tona ba o fitlhelang gongwe e bile ba sena bana.

Go bo go raya gore o agelwa one 5 Hansard No 205Thursday 24th February, 2022QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER and half go itsiwe gore kamore ya gagwe e nngwefela.

Jaanong ke raya gore tota fela ka bokhutshwane, dikago tsotlhe tsa rona tsa batlhoki di laolwa ke itsholelo ya khansele, di bo di laolwa ke gore ba lelwapa leo ba kae.
Ke a leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente.

leboga MR KAPINGA: Supplementary.

Ke a Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente.

Honourable Minister, ga ke itse gore a o na le any experience ya go bona matlo a a agetsweng batlhoki kwa Okavango?

Fa e le gore o kile wa ya teng, o tlaa lemoga gore most of the time go agiwa matlonyana a a kananyana, a mannyennyanenyana thata compared to a re a bonang mo dikgaolong tse dingwe tsa lefatshe la Botswana.
Jaanong potso ya me ke gore, a ga le na a standard budget e e leng gore khansele ga e a tshwanela go ya kwa tlase ga yone fa e agela motlhoki in terms of value of the house?

Two; a mme ministry wa gago o a lemoga gore the cost ya go aga kwa Okavango…(Inaudible)… go aga kwa Molepolole kana kwa Mochudi.

Le fa go ntse jalo, gore o agele motlhoki ntlo fela e e sa tlhabiseng ditlhong, go raya gore o bo o double budget ya Okavango Sub-District.
A selo seo le a se lemoga Honourable Minister gore cost ya go aga kwa Okavango e kwa godimo?

Sa bofelo, is it not violating your standard specifications Honourable Minister gore matlo a batlhoki a, a bo a agiwa go sena le fa e le toilet e yo o agelwang ntlo a ka iphitlhang mo go yone?

Fa go ntse jalo, a ga se gore le a bo le sa digela tiro ya lona fa le ka agela motlhoki ntlo mme go bo go sa akaretse toilet mo teng?

Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

MR PULE: Thank you Mr Speaker.
Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, ke ipoeletse gape kwa morago kwa ke neng ke simolotse teng, kwa ke neng ke tsaya gore Honourable Kapinga o a nkutlwa fa ke re tota plans tse re nang le tsone mo lefatsheng la Botswana tse re di dirisang mo go ageng matlo a batlhoki are not necessarily standardised, di laolwa ke resource base ya rona le the size of the …(Inaudible)... Fa ke e fa sekai, jaaka a ne a bua, ke na le example fa ya matlo a a agilweng kwa South East District a di one and half.
Ke gore foo, ke ne ke leka go tlhalosetsa motlotlegi gore gongwe fela go diragetse gore go nne le tiragalo ya gore matlo a Okavango a bo ba felela o kare ke a mannyennyane bontsi jwa one.

Jaaka ke ne ke bua, gongwe ke gore the peculiarity ya teng e dirwa ke gore... HONOURABLE MEMBER: Le a Francistown a mannyennyane, ke dirubi fela.

MR PULE: Iketle pele wena General.

MR KAPINGA: O kgaogile, boela kwa morago.

MR PULE: Ke boele kwa morago?

MR SPEAKER: Continue Minister.


MR PULE: A ko o ne o ntshireletsa mo bathong ba tshwana le General, ga ke batle gore e re fa ke bua motho a bo a nkgaupetse ka gore ga nke ke tsena ope... HONOURABLE MEMBER: Gape mathata ke go bua o buduletse le wena Minister.

MR PULE: Ga ke a budulala, ke bolawa ke matlho rraetsho.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Okay.

MR PULE: Se ikgatlhe ka nna.


Jaanong ke ne ke re matlo a rona a re a agang a batlhoki, ke matlo a e leng gore tota go ya ka rona, re ne re sa eletse gore gotwe go ka nna le a standard plan.

It should be based on the resources tsa khansele le the needs tsa bone.
Fa e le gore budget ya Okavango for instance, gongwe is limited, mme e le gore the demand is very high e bile le size tsa families di le kwa tlase, therefore it means Okavango e tlaa felela e nna e kete matlo a teng a mannyennyane ka gore ba tlaabo ba leka go kumaganya ka families tse di leng teng ba lebeletse sizes tsa tsone.

Go ka diragala gore mo dikgaolong tse dingwe o fitlhele e le gore go patelesega gore go agiwe matlo a matona ka gore families di di tona.
Gongwe e le mme le rre e le batlhoki mme ba na le bana ba ka nna babedi or bararo, they might have to be built ntlo ya two and half kana go feta foo.

Tota go laolwa ke khansele, it is the one that determines gore tota e batla go... HONOURABLE MEMBER: A mme le ka gaisiwa ke Ian ka matlo a a neng a a agela batho?

MR SPEAKER: Honourable Moswaane... MR MOSWAANE: Sorry sir.

MR SPEAKER: You want to be parked?

MR MOSWAANE: My sincere apologies sir.

MR PULE: O tlaabo o thusitse mongwame.


If can park motho yoo, ke ka itumela thata le fa e le tsala ya me.

Kgang ya toilets motlotlegi, tota le nna ga ke bone go 6 Hansard No 205Thursday 24th February, 2022QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER tlaabo go siame gore motho a agelwe ntlo a bo a sena toilet.
Ke raya gore fa e le gore go na le incidents tse di ntseng jalo, ke tsaya gore ke tlaa go kopa motlotlegi gore re tle re bue kwa bothokong nna le wena o mpolelele, ke tle ke botse gore go ne ga diragala jang gore motho a agelwe ntlo mme e sena toilet?

Ke selo se e leng gore ga re se eletse mo botshelong jwa gompieno.

Ke araba go le kalo Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente.

MR KEKGONEGILE: Supplementary.

Tanki Mr Speaker.

Mma re dumedise batlotlegi le setšhaba ka kakaretso.
Tona, o fapaana le potso, ga ke itse gore a ke ka bomo kana ga o tlhaloganye potso?

Ka fa ke tlhaloganyang potso ka teng e bile ke bo ke kopa gore o e arabe, ya re, ka fa le abang ka teng madi a a agelang batlhoki, a le a aba le lebile gore lona le le ministry, standard house e e tshwanetseng motlhoki mongwe le mongwe ke ya mofuta o o ntseng jang kana le a aba le re le fa motlhoki mongwe le mongwe P100, 000?
Fa le aba madi le e fa motlhoki mongwe le mongwe P100, 000, a o lemoga gore matlo a teng a tlaa farologana fa le le mo Gaborone le fa o le kwa Shakawe?

Fa a farologana, a sone seo fela ga se go supegetse gore batlhoki ba bangwe ka gore kwa ba leng teng go a tura, ba tlaa nna le matlo a mannyennyane?

O dira eng ka gone?

A ga o bone go le botoka gore le abe matlo ka standard, rather than ka madi?
Fa le re ke one and half, e nne one and half e e tshwanang gongwe le gongwe gona le gore e nngwe e nne le toilet, e nngwe e se ka ya nna le toilet ka gore re na le madi.

A ga o bone go le botlhokwa gore o fetole selo se, gona le gore o re o ya go batla dikarabo o ntse o di tshwere gone foo?

Tanki Mr Speaker.

tsa MR PULE: Tanki Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo Palamente.
Ke a go utlwa Motlotlegi Kekgonegile, mme kana ke ne ke ithaya ke re ke tlhalositse gore khansele nngwe le e nngwe submits its requests ba lebeletse the needs tsa bone.

Then go tswa foo fa ba sena go nna ba kopa madi ba lebeletse the needs tsa bone ...(Inaudible)… gore batlhoki ba ba tshwanetseng go agelwa ba kae.

Then kana jaaka re itse, batlhoki ba a runya, o ka nna wa re o ne o lekanyeditse (budget) batho ba le 10 go bo go nna yo mongwe gape wa bo 11.
Ke yone nako ya gore khansele e tlaabo e simolola e lebelela gore mme jaaka ba le 11 jaana, re ba agela jang re lebeletse sizes tsa bone.

Jaanong mogopolo o o buang ke a o amogela rraetsho.

Gongwe ke mogopolo o o tlaa batlang gore re o rekisetse dikhansele gore di lebelele gore they standardise matlo a bone, ba se ka ba re re agela motho one and half ka gore o nosi fela.
Go bo go akanngwa gore re ka aga matlo a gongwe a sizes tse di tshwanang, mme e bile re se ka ra re nnyaa yo ga a tshwanela go nna le toilet, yo o tshwanetse go nna le yone, ga go a tshwanela go nna jalo.
Jaaka o itse, tota fela gantsi bokete jwa kgang bo mo go reng go lebeletswe motho gore o tshwanetse gore a nne le sengwe se a ka tsenang mo go sone kana mo ka Sekgoa gotweng you have a roof over your head, go bo gotwe nnyaa mme a re mo ageleng ntlo, e tlaa re fa re santse re mmatlela toilet a bo a na le fa a nnang teng.

Ke raya gore mogopolo ke a o amogela rraetsho.

Re tlaa o sekaseka re bona gore re ka o diragatsa ka mokgwa o o ntseng jang.
Karabo ya me ke yone e ke neng ke bua ka yone ke re re dira jalo fa re agela batho.

Kana tota potso originally e ne e sa tsene kwa o leng teng.

Original potso e ne e botsa gore ke eng matlo a kwa north le a south a sa tshwane?

Jaanong ke leka go araba jalo.

Le nkgogela kwa gongwe mo e leng gore tota originally le ne le sa botsa.

Ke a leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente.

MR REATILE: Supplementary.

Thank you Mr Speaker.

Ke go leboge le wena Tona ka karabo ya gago.


Tona, ke batla go itse gore the guidelines tse tsa matlo a destitutes re ka di bona kae ka gore fa di le teng e le gore they are available Mapalamente a na le tsone, ba kgona to confront bodiredi jwa gago kwa dikhanseleng nako e sale teng, gona le gore e bo e le gore… ke gore ditshwetso di bo di nna mo khanseleng e e leng gore le Makhanselara ga ba itse gore the guidelines ke dife, go itse staff fela.
When can you avail the guidelines motlotlegi gore batlotlegi mo Ntlong e ba kgone go nna le tsone, ba kgone to advise accordingly kwa dikhanseleng?

I thank you sir.

MR PULE: Thank you Mr Speaker.

Ke bo ke leboge Motlotegi Reatile ka potso ya gagwe.

Nnyaa, tota the guidelines kana ga se sephiri motlotlegi.

Fa e le gore go na le batho ba ba di fitlhang, then go tlaabo go na le bothata.
Ke ne ke re ke go tshepise gore re tlaa leka gore fa ke fetsa Palamente ya gompieno e re kamoso ke kope Permanent Secretary gore fa di leng teng, gongwe a di kgaogane le lona, le itse gore the guidelines di ntse jang because ga se sephiri.

Ga di a tshwanela go nna sephiri.

Ke a leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: O na le assignments tse dintsi jaanong, o bereka tota... MR PULE: Thata, ke nna ke ntse fela jalo.

MR MOSWAANE: Supplementary.


Mr Speaker, ke ne ke re ke botse gore matlo a a destitutes a o a itse gore ka boone fela le fa o tsamaya mo toropong ya Francistown, 7 Hansard No 205Thursday 24th February, 2022QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER o kgona go lemoga gore ntlo e ke e e agetsweng motlhoki ke ya khansele, le size ya rooms tsa teng tse di sa lekaneng bolao?

A o itse gore selo seo se a diragala motlotlegi?


Ya bofelo, ke botse gore ke eng fa le gaisiwa ke the former President ka National Housing Appeal e e neng e aga matlo botoka?

Why lona o kare jaanong le paleletswe ruri, e bile jaanong standard se ya kwa tlase go feta?

Thank you.
Thank you.

MR PULE: Tota boammaaruri jo bo leng teng ka potso ya ntlha ya ga Honourable Moswaane, e a reng fa o ka tsena mo toropong o kgona go bona gore ntlo ke ya motlhoki, kana ke sone se ke neng ke simolola ke re, maikaelelo a rona ke gore re leke go ntsha mogopolo o mo bathong kana setšhaba.

Ke gore re se ka ra aga matlo a a tlaa felelang a na le letshwao le le supang gore e ke ya motlhoki, ka gore tota batlhoki are supposed to be part of the mainstream society.
Go raya gore tota re tshwanetse go ba agela matlo according to their needs.

Go a diragala gore resources di bo di nna limited, go bo go felela dikhansele di dira standard plans tse gongwe di felelang ba re ba ngathoganya batho, di bo di felela di ba supa mo setšhabeng gore matlo a ke a botlhoki.

Ke seemo se e leng gore jaaka ke bua, ga ke rotloetse gore se diragale.
E ya bobedi Rraetsho ya gore re gaisiwa ke bo semangmang le bo semangmang, ga ke itse gore o raya ba re gaisa ka eng, ka gore ga ke itse gore fa o re go gaisa o raya eng?

MR MOSWAANE: Ka plan, go aga matlo a matona.

MR PULE: E ga ke ka ke ka e araba ka gore ga ke bone e ntshwanetse, ka gore ga re ise re nne fa fatshe nna le bone ra gaisanya, gore fa re aga re gaisana le batho.

Ke bua ka matlo a batlhoki fela, tseo tsa dikgaisano ke tsa ga Rre Moswaane.
MR MOSWAANE: Re bua ka Presidential Housing Appeal ya batlhoki.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: O e arabile Pule.
TRAINING PROGRAMMES AT MOLEPOLOLE IHS MR O. REGOENG (MOLEPOLOLE NORTH): asked the Minister of Health and Wellness to state: (i) the number of people trained at the level of Diploma, Degree, and Masters Degree in the following fields in the last five (5) years; (a) Ophthalmic; (b) Paediatrics; (c) Orthopaedic; (d) Family Welfare Planning; (e) Midwifery; (ii) if he is aware that Molepolole Institute of Health and Sciences (IHS) which was built to offer among others, programmes such as Ophthalmic, Midwifery, Family Welfare Planning is not running them and that the buildings have not been optimally used over the last 10 years which is a heavy cost to Government, if so when will this be rectified.
ASSISTANT MINISTER OF HEALTH AND WELLNESS (MR LELATISITSWE): Thank you so much Mr Speaker.

Mr Speaker, mo bogompienong babereki ba rona, 284 officers ba ba neng ba isiwa dithutong ba ya go ithutela Masters or Diploma levels mo dingwageng tse tlhano tse di fetileng mo dithutong tse tsa bongaka jwa matlho (Ophthalmic) kana tsa bana or Paediatric, Orthopaedic, Family Welfare Planning and Midwifery.
Mo courses tsone tse four tse ke buileng ka tsone Mr Speaker, four trained for Masters’ level; one Ophthalmic; ophthalmic ke raya ba matlho; ba le bararo Paediatric, e le ba dingaka tsa bana, while 284 ba ne ba ithuta mo maemong a Diploma level which is Midwifery.

Mr Speaker, mo bogompienong there are 111 officers ba ba kwa dithutong, eight at Masters’ level, ba le six e le ba ophthalmic… MR REGOENG: Mr Speaker, Minister o a kgaoga; ga ke mo utlwe sentle.
MR SPEAKER: Honourable Lelatisitswe, ga o utlwale sentle.

MR LELATISITSWE: Ke simolole sesha Mr Speaker?

MR SPEAKER: Leka jalo.

MR LELATISITSWE: Mr Speaker, ke ne ke re we have trained batho ba le…(Inaudible)…Mr Speaker, ke a utlwala?

MR SPEAKER: Ee Rra.

MR LELATISITSWE: Mr Speaker, currently we have a total of 284 offices trained at Masters’ level and Diploma levels in the last five years.
Out of the total, four are trained at Masters’ level, one Ophthalmic and 8 Hansard No 205Thursday 24th February, 2022QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER three Paediatrics, while 280 are trained at Diploma level.

Mr Speaker, currently there are 111 officers who are on training.

Of these, 38 are at Masters’ level which is Ophthalmic six and Paediatrics (19), Orthopaedic 11 and Midwifery two and 73 are at Diploma level which is Midwifery.
Mr Speaker, please note that my ministry has not trained officers on Family Welfare Planning programme.

According to my knowledge, Institute of Health Sciences (IHS) does not offer this programme at all.

Mr Speaker, part two of the question ke e e botsang ka strategy around IHS jaanong kana IHSs are not under our ministry, so I cannot answer for that question.

Ke tsaya gore Mopalamente o tla e tsenya sentle, mme e tlaa lebagana le ba Tertiary Education.

Thank you.

MR REGOENG: Tanki Mr Speaker.


Ke re jaanong ke sa tlhaloganye gore Minister a reng, ka gore Lephata le la IHS le na le ngwaga fela kwa go ba Tertiary Education.

O ka bo a re bolelela gore mo nakong e e fetileng maikaelelo a bone e ne e le eng go tsweledisa gone moo, ka gore that is the main question.
O ne a santse a araba gone gore Family welfare planning, IHS ga e di dire jalo, mme ya Molepolole e ne e agilwe specifically e le gore it is one of the programmes tse di yang go dirwa kwa 10 years ago.

Jaanong ga ke itse gore fa a bo a e busetsa kwano, o a bo a raya gore ke boe gape ke e ise kwa morago Mr Speaker?

Ga ke a kgotsofalela karabo ya gagwe gotlhelele, ka gore that is where the main question is.

Gongwe se ke ka se botsang ke gore, la bofelo fa etela sekole se sa IHS sa Molepolole ke leng?
MR LELATISITSWE: Thank you so much Mr Speaker.

Mr Speaker, kana IHS ga di ka fa tlase ga ministry wa rona, so ga ke ka ke ka kgona go di etela in relation to anything se se tsamaelanang le lephata la rona.

They are under Ministry of Tertiary Education.

We have moved them completely there.

All those questions ke tse di ka arabiwang ke Motlotlegi Rre Letsholathebe, go re bolelela strategy sa IHS go ya kwa pele.
We only send our officers for further training to all universities and IHS, mme re dira jalo through Ministry of Tertiary Education.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Gatwe lwa bofelo o di etela ke leng?

MR REGOENG: Mr Speaker, go raya gore I will submit this question again e ya kwa Tertiary Education gore e tle e arabiwe ka tlhoafale.

Ke buisiwa se Mr Speaker ke gore, facility e e kwa Molepolole ele ga e dirisiwe.
Goromente spent P200 Million mo go yone 10 years ago, e le gore programmes tse ke di beileng fa go raya gore they should be offered kwa, mme ga go diragale jalo.

General Nursing is the only one that is offered, fela jaaka o bona mo pampiring ya gompieno ya Daily News advertised gotwe General Nursing kwa Molepolole, mme e bile go rutwa batho ba le 40 fela or less.

Facility e go dirisitsweng P200 Million mo go yone.
Anyway, I will forward this question to ba Tertiary Education, gongwe ba tle ba re fe strategy going forward sir.

Thank you.

MR SPEAKER: Honourable Motaosane, Member for Thamaga-Kumakwane.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Mr Speaker, ke kopa procedure.

Procedure, Mr Speaker.

MR SPEAKER: Yes, procedure.

MR LESEDI: Thank you Mr Speaker.

Ke gore fela o kare ga ke wele sentle.


Kana kwa Ministry wa Youth go na le Ministers tse pedi, mme fa e le gore Minister ga a yo, mothusi wa gagwe ga a yo, go bo go sa nne le sepe, e bo e re kwa potsong e nngwe same ministry, e bo go laelwa Chief Whip jaaka Honourable Motsamai a ne a bua, ga ke itse gore a golo mo go tsamaya sentle Mr Speaker.

Go yeng ka nna ke dumela gore ga go a nniwa fair mo potsong ya ga Honourable Leuwe.

Thank you Mr Speaker.


MR SPEAKER: At least no one from that ministry informed me about anything, but the right person to ask is the Leader of the House.

He is in charge of these Ministers.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Rakgare is in attendance.

MR SPEAKER: It is not an issue of procedure for Parliament.
HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… SMALL SCALE POULTRY OPERATORS MR T. MANGWEGAPE-HEALY (GABORONE CENTRAL): asked the Minister of Agricultural Development and Food Security to state: MR LELATISITSWE: Nnyaa rra, ga ke ise ke etele IHS.
(i) the number of small scale poultry operators in and around Gaborone; 9 Hansard No 205Thursday 24th February, 2022QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER (ii) how many of these are taking benefit of the market opportunities created by the Ministry of Basic Education which has included eggs as part of their schools menu; and me o ntshireletse mo banneng ba ba mo Palamenteng, ga ke itse gore ba ntsaya jang, golo fa re tlhoafetse, re a bereka, lona le a tshameka.
Ke lebogela le tsala ya me Honourable Motsamai for potso e a e boditseng.

(iii) if his Ministry or Ministry of Basic Education or Local Government and Rural Development monitor this to ensure that Batswana are equitably treated in their supplies to schools.

MR SPEAKER: Honourale Minister of Agricultural Development and Food Security.

…Silence… HONOURABLE MEMBER: Araba Pule.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Le fa gotwe o motlhanka, ao banna!

HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Laughter!


)… MR SPEAKER: Honourable Minister of Agricultural Development and Food Security.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Kgafela o ntshitse mophato.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ba a lofa maDomkrag.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Kante letsatsi leno Domi e ile kae?

Karabo ya teng e khutshwane ke gore, tota ga ke itse fa babereki bangwe ba ba setswe morago gore ba buse madi a dijo tse ba neng ba di filwe ka nako ya programme ya COVID-19 ya food relief.

Ke yone karabo ya me ya ntlha eo.


Ya bobedi ke bo ke re, mme fa e le gore motlotlegi gongwe o na le bosupi bongwe jo a bo tshotseng, jo a ka bo nkaetsang gore go na le batho bangwe ba ba tshwenngwang ka gore gatwe ba buse madi a dijo tse ba neng ba di filwe ka nako ya COVID-19, ke tlaa kopa motlotlegi gore a dire jalo.

Ke a leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente.

MR MOTSAMAI: Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.


Tona, kana kgang e e mo dikhanseleng, jaanong ga ke itse gore fa o re ga o itse, dikhansele were instructed ke mang gore ba dire tiro ya mofuta oo?

Tsamaya o ye go tsena kwa Khanseleng ya Kgalagadi, o tlaa fitlhela dingwe dikgang di ntse jalo.

O bo o ya go tsena le mo dikhanseleng tse dingwe tsa gago.

Mr Speaker, ke tsaya gore ke ne ke mo sedimosetsa fela gore o ka batlela kae, mme ke ntse ke tlaa tla kwa ofising ya gago rraetsho.

MR SPEAKER: Ga re itse.


MR SPEAKER: Okay, they have your solution.

HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Laughter!

)… UGRADING OF SOME DIKGOTLA MR SPEAKER: Honourable Motsamai, Member for Ghanzi South.
COVID-19 RELIEF FOOD HANDOUTS K. DR (SEFHARE- GOBOTSWANG RAMOKGONAMI): asked the Minister of Local Government and Rural Development to update this Honourable House on plans to: MR M. G. J. MOTSAMAI (GHANZI SOUTH): asked the Minister of Local Government and Rural Development: (i) if it is true that some Government employees are being pursued by Government to pay back money for receiving COVID-19 relief food handouts during lockdowns; and if so, (ii) whether it is rational and sensible to pursue such officers especially that they were given such assistance after an assessment by social workers.
MINISTER ASSISTANT LOCAL GOVERNMENT AND RURAL DEVELOPMENT (MR PULE): Ke a leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente.

...(Laughter!

)...Ke tlaa kopa gore mong wa OF 10 (i) upgrade Letoreng, Ngwapa, and Seleka Dikgotla or Tribal Offices for ease of accessing basic services by the residents; (ii) replace the long boarded tribal office vehicles from Chadibe and Machaneng; and (iii) fill the vacant position of Kgosi at Mhalapitsa main Kgotla.
MINISTER ASSISTANT LOCAL GOVERNMENT AND RURAL DEVELOPMENT (MR PULE): Thank you Mr Speaker.

Thank you Dr Gobotswang for such a very, very important question.

OF Mr Speaker, Hansard No 205Thursday 24th February, 2022QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER (i) Letoreng, Ngwapa and Seleka are among the many villages that have been gazetted and are qualifying for Tertiary III level of services, including upgrading of a Kgotla from Headman of Arbitration to Headman of Record.
However, it has not been possible to upgrade the three villages on account of budgetary constraints.

Currently, Letoreng is serviced from Matlhako, which is 18 kilometres (km) away, while Ngwapa is facilitated by Mokobeng which is 10km away.

Seleka receives its services from Tumasera Kgotla, which is situated just nearby.

(ii) The vehicle for Chadibe Customary Court, a Toyota Hilux 2.8 GD6 BX 18 4985 has not been boarded as the Honourable Member is saying.
It was involved in a road accident on the 18th September 2019.

The vehicle repairs are beyond Central Transport Organization (CTO) internal request threshold e e leng gore it is P100,000.

My ministry has since commenced the process of repairing the vehicle in question through the District Administration Tender Committee (DATC), and will engage CTO to provide technical support to DATC in order to expedite the process.

As an interim measure, Chadibe is serviced by Sefhare which is 10 km away.
Mr Speaker, currently the Department of Tribal Administration has 141 boarded vehicles, amongst them, Nissan 2.4 Pick Up BX 09 6525 for Machaneng Customary Court that was boarded on the 13th July 2020.

The vehicle has not been replaced because of the backlog of boarded vehicles, dating as far back as 2013 nationwide.

My ministry will continue to replace boarded vehicles including one for Machaneng on annual basis following the normal budgeting process.
In the meantime, Machaneng is currently facilitated by Sefhare and Makwate to meet the exigency of service.

(iii) The position of Headman of Record (Kgosana) at Mhalapitsa fell vacant on the 17th August 2020.

Mhalapitsa Bogosi is in dispute and therefore, the process of filling the position will be determined by the time taken to settle the dispute.
It should be noted Mr Speaker, that the process of filling vacant positions was disrupted by the COVID-19 restrictions, and consultations only in November 2021.

I thank you Mr Speaker.

resumed DR GOBOTSWANG: Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

Ke a leboga Motlotlegi Rre Mabuse Pule, o tshwere bothata gompieno go arabela ministries tsotlhe.
Jaaka o itse, metse e ya Seleka, Letoreng le Ngwapa e ikemetse, kana go raya gore Dikgosi tsa Tetlanyo tse di mo Dikgotleng tse, ke mokang di berekang jaaka Dikgosi tsa maemo a a fa godimo; Headmen of Records.

Gone moo, a o a lemoga gore jaanong le ba ja ntsoma gore ba bo ba theogela jaaka Dikgosi tsa Dikgotla tse di fa godimo, mme ntswa ba le kwa tlase?
Kgang ya Bogosi jwa Mhalapitsa Honourable, e kile ya arabiwa jaaka o e araba ke Honourable Autlwetse, a ntse a bua ka COVID-19 le gore Bogosi bo ka se ke bo rarabologe ka gore COVID-19 e rile.

Le wena o santse o bua fela jalo.

A mme le na le nako e le e ipeetseng, re lebile gore fa Kgosi wa seemo se, a sa dire tiro ya gagwe, go raya gore batho ga ba bone ditlamelo?

A mme le berekela mo nakong kana le iketlile fela le kwa ga mothakga Honourable Minister?

MR PULE: Thank you very much Mr Speaker.


Ke a leboga Motlotlegi Gobotswang.

Lefoko le o le dirisitseng le bokete la go jewa ntsoma, ka gore tota fa seemo se ise se letle motho gore a bewe mo maemong a a tshwanetseng go nna mo go one, ga se gore go raya gore o a bo a jewa ntsoma.

Re a bo re santse re emetse tsamaiso ya Puso e le wena o e itseng, o berekile Puso dingwaga tse dintsintsi.

E o e itseng gore motho o tshwanetse gore a bone promotion mo position ya gagwe, a e diragatse ka fa e ntseng ka teng.
Kana ke tlhalositse ka re, fa re santse re emetse tiragalo ya go nna jalo, Magosana a rona, ga se gore go raya gore ka fa o buang ka teng, ba jewa ntsoma because fa ba na le ditsheko, go na le kwa ba di isang teng.

Jaaka ke ne ke go tlhalosetsa gore wa Seleka o e isa kwa Kgotleng e tona ya Tumasera, e e nang le seniors tsa gagwe gone koo.

Jaanong tota ga ke itse gore ntsoma ene gatwe o tswa fa kae.
Ya madiadia a a seng mo taolong ya rona, le wena fela jaaka o rutilwe o le Doctor jaana, o a itse gore fa madiadia ...(Interruptions)… one a COVID-19, jaanong ke makala fa e le gore e kare e ntse e le wena fela yo o berekileng Puso dingwaga tse di kana, o bo o sa kgone go itse gore go raya gore go na le madiadia, process nngwe e e tshwanetseng gore e diragadiwe, e bo e sa diragadiwe.

Jaanong nako e tlaa tla ya gore dilo tse re di baakanye.
Jaaka e le gore tota ga se rona re dirileng gore seemo se nne ka fa se ntseng ka teng.

Ke a leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente.

11 Hansard No 205Thursday 24th February, 2022QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER MR LESEDI: Supplementary.

Ke go leboge Mr Speaker.

Tota follow-up ya me e mo koloing e gotweng has been boarded, mme Minister a supa gore is not boarded.
A mme Minister o santse o solofetsa kana o solofela gore koloi e mo sebakeng sa dingwaga tse tharo tse e saleng ka e nnile le kotsi ka tsone, a batho ba ba neng ba e neetswe, ba solofele gore a e santse e tlaa boela kwa go bone?

Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

MR PULE: Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, ke a go leboga.

Ke bo ke leboga le Motlotlegi Lesedi.

Nnyaa, kana ke tlhalositse, ga ke itse gore motlotlegi o belaela eng ka ke tlhalositse ka re koloi e a baakangwa.

E a baakangwa.
E a baakangwa.

Fa e le gore o na le tshepho mo go rona jaaka re le batho ba re tshephagalang re le badirelapuso, o tshwanetse o tshephe gore e tlaa ba boela fa re setse re e baakantse e siame.

Ke a leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Procedure Mr Speaker.

Mr Speaker, Honourable Lelatisitswe a re ke ene a arabang tsa Agriculture.

So he is here to answer Question number 9.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: O romile wena jaanong, ga a rome Opposition Whip?
HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… MR SPEAKER: That is very odd....(Interruptions)… supposed to answer and he sends another member to make that announcement?

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Eo o tlaa ikarabela sir.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Puso e e phutlhame batho!

Ga go na Puso.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Mr Speaker, go ne go na le network problems this side, ke bo ke sa go utlwe mongwame.

MR SPEAKER: Gongwe o ka araba Question number 3 by Honourable Leuwe… HONOURABLE MEMBER: Procedure Mr Speaker.
MR SPEAKER: …(Inaudible)…let us go back to question number 3.

Is there anybody answering that question?

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Mr Speaker, ga ba re tseye tsia.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Rakgare o teng mo Palamenteng.

12 HONOURABLE MEMBER: Gatwe o seegetswe fa thoko motho yoo Rakgare.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Batho ba Mhalapitsa ga na ba Kgosana, wena o bua dilo fela.
ACCOMMODATION SITUATION IN THAMAGA-KUMAKWANE PRIMARY SCHOOLS P. K. MOTAOSANE MR (THAMAGA- the Minister of Local KUMAKWANE): asked Government and Rural Development to give an update on the accommodation situation in the Thamaga- Kumakwane Constituency primary schools; he should state: (i) the number of houses in every school and the shortage thereto; (ii) what he is doing to solve the situation; (iii) the maintenance plan in all the schools and if he is aware that some houses are in a deplorable state; and (iv) If he is aware that some schools still do not have some administration blocks/offices.
OF MINISTER LOCAL ASSISTANT GOVERNMENT AND RURAL DEVELOPMENT (MR PULE): Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

Ke leboga le motlotlegi ka potso e a e boditseng.

Dikole tsa Kgaolo ya Thamaga-Kumakwane di 11 ka palo, mme matlo a kgaolo ya Kumakwane a staff, a 120.

Staff sa Kumakwane go ya ka dipalo tse ke nang le tsone, motlotlegi o tlaa mpaakanyetsa fa ke le wrong.

What I have ke gore babereki ba teng ba 204.

Jaanong mo go rayang gore re tlhaela ka matlo a ka nna 84.
Jaaka Motlotlegi a ne a boditse gore o batla go itse gore sekole sengwe le sengwe se na le matlo a le kae le gore re tlhaela jang, go tlaa re ke tsene fela gone koo Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, ke tsene mo dikoleng tsotlhe ka bo 11 jwa tsone.

(a) Kwa sekoleng sa Kontle, go na le matlo a le 10, re tlhaela ka five ...(Interruptions)… Matlo a 10 a, a ne a bona maintenance wa bofelo ka ngwaga wa 2019/2020.
(b) Re bo re nna le sekole sa Nkwane, se na le matlo a le nine, re tlhaela ka six, mme tota matlo a Nkwane, ga a ise a bone mo gotweng ke …(Inaudible)… maintenance.

Plan ya rona ke go a baakanya mo ngwageng o o simologang ka April 2022/2023.

Hansard No 205Thursday 24th February, 2022QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER (c) Re bo re nna le sekole sa Magalatladi, se na le matlo a le 12, re tlhaela ka eight, mme matlo otlhe jaana, a sale a dirwa major maintenance ka ngwaga wa 2019/2020.
(d) Kwa Gobuamang, re na le matlo a le 12, re tlhaela ka six, mme matlo a tota ga a ise a ke a bone maintenance fela o o tlhamaletseng.

(e) Kwa Rungwane, re na le matlo a le 13, re tlhaela ka 10.

Le one a a 13 a, maikaelelo a rona ke gore mo ngwageng o o tlang wa madi, a dirwe maintenance.

(f) Kwa Western, re na le matlo a le 15, re tlhaela ka 14.

Le one ke a a rulaganyeditsweng gore a tlaa baakangwa mo ngwageng o o latelang.

(g) Kwa Monare re na le matlo a le 17, re tlhaela ka 12.
Le one ga a ise a ko a bone maintenance, re e plan mo ngwageng o o latelang.

(h) Kwa Gakgatla, re na le matlo a le eight, re tlhaela ka one.

Le one ...(Inaudible)… mo ngwageng o o latelang.

(i) Kwa Kubung, re na le matlo a le eight, re tlhaela ka eight.

Le one thulaganyo ke gore a tle a baakanngwe mo ngwageng o o latelang.

(j) Kwa Ramaphatle, re na le matlo a le eight, re tlhaela ka four.

Le one a tlaa bona major maintenance mo ngwageng o o latelang.
(k) Kwa Kumakwane, re na le matlo a le 20, re tlhaela ka 10.

Le one a tlaa bona maintenance mo ngwageng o o latelang.

11 e felela gone foo.

Re ne re sena madi mo thulaganyong ya rona ya District Development Plan (DDP) 8, a a neng a seegetswe kwa thoko go aga matlo mo dikoleng tse di potlana tsa Kgaolo ya Kumakwane.

Re ne re aga classrooms di ka nna four kwa Kontle, di le pedi kwa Nkwane, Monare le Magalatladi Primary Schools mo plan e re tswang mo go yone.

Ga re ise re age matlo.


Ke dumela jaaka motlotlegi a bua …(Inaudible)… offices mo dikoleng tse di batlang madi.

Go a tlhokafala gore go nne le classrooms tse dingwe, matlo a barutabana le ablution mo dikoleng tsotlhe tsa kgaolo ya Kumakwane.

Ke tsaya gore fa itsholelo ya rona e ka tokafala, ke dingwe tsa dilo tse re tlaa di fang first priority gore di diragadiwe.

Ke a leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente.

DR GOBOTSWANG: Supplementary.

Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.


Honourable Minister, kana go kile ga nna le lenaneo la Backlog Eradication Programme, le ke boneng le kgona go aga matlonyana a barutabana mo kgaolong kwa Chadibe le Mokobeng.

Ke batla go itse gore a lenaneo le santse le le teng, fa e le gore le teng, mo kgaolong ya Thamaga-Kumakwane le dira fa kae gone jaana.

Le lebagane le dikgaolo dife, le kgonne go aga matlo fa kae.

A le tsweletse, le tsweletse fa kae mo kgaolong e?

Ke a leboga.

MR PULE: Ke a leboga motlotlegi.


Gompieno o a bo o boditse potso e e botlhokwa thata.

Backlog Eradication Programme e ntse e teng motlotlegi, re a e dirisa.

Jaaka le wena o itse e neelwa dikhansele tsotlhe, go a kunaganngwa.

Madi a Backlog Eradication Programme ga a kgone go araba dipotso tsa rona tsotlhe tsa boroko kana letlhoko lotlhe le re nang le lone.

Maikaelelo a rona ga se go lebelela Backlog Eradication Programme fela Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente.
Re ne re rotloetsa dikhansele gore, mo gongwe ba e tle ba dirisa manaeo a tshwana le a Community Constituency Projects (CCP) funds, e re ka e dirisang go aga matlo a barutabana …(Inaudible)… MR SPEAKER: You were not audible Honourable Minister in the last part of your answer.

MR PULE: Gongwe ya bofelo ga ke a e utlwa sentle gore o ne a reng.

I missed it Honourable Gobotswang.

DR GOBOTSWANG: Honourable, ke ne ke re mo Thamaga-Kumakwane, sentlentle Lenaneo la Backlog Eradication le dira fa kae?
Fa re bua jaana a le teng mo kgaolong ya teng?

Mr Speaker ke tlhalose gore, re tlhaloganya seemo se motlotlegi a buang ka sone sa kgaolo ya gagwe.

Re ka arabe fela ka gore, tota re batla gore mo thulaganyong e e latelang ya ngwaga o o tlang, re eme ka dinao go bona gore matlo otlhe a a not maintained, should be maintained.

Re bo re leka gore re ka kunaganya mo budget e e latelang gore re age matlo.

MR PULE: Mr Speaker, ke tsaya gore ke e arabile.


Ke mo arabile ka gore lenaneo le o le teng, ke lengwe la mananeo a e leng gore tota re a a dirisa thata go thusa go aga matlo a barutabana.

Matlo a mangwe a re nang le one mo go se sebaka mo dikgaolong tsotlhe tsa lefatshe la Botswana, ke ka ntata ya Backlog Eradication Programme.
13 Hansard No 205Thursday 24th February, 2022QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER Ke bo ke tswelela Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente ke re, ga re batle go lebelela lone fela, re na le lenaneo gape le le bidiwang gotwe CCP le re rotloetsang Village Development Committees (VDCs) tsa rona gore ba leke to prioritise ba dirise CCP go agela barutabana kana badirelapuso ba ba leng mo metseng ya bone matlo a ba ka nnang mo go one.

Ke a leboga Motsamaisa dipuisanyo tsa Palamente.


MR SPEAKER: Honourable Minister, I thought the question was mo kgaolong e ya Thamaga-Kumakwane, lenaneo leo le bereka fa kae?

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Le aga matlo mo sekoleng sefe?

MR PULE: O raya gore now as we speak.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Yes sir.

MR PULE: Ke ne ke re o botsa gore a le teng, ke re ke go raya ke re yes le teng, re a le dirisa.
Mo go se sebaka, ke ka se ke ka go bolelela ka o ne o sa e botsa kwa ntlheng gore re tsamaya fa kae kwa Kumakwane mo lenaneong leo.

Lone le teng re a le dirisa, information eo ke ka go e neela fa o e batla motlotlegi.

Ke a lebga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente.

MR LEUWE: Supplementary.

Thank you Mr Speaker.

Bontlha bongwe jwa follow-up ya me bo tserwe ke Dr Gobotswang.
Ke botse Tona gore, shortage e e kanakana ya matlo kana e baya barutabana ba bangwe ka fa mosing, ba gongwe bayang go iphirisetsa mo dijarateng tsa di private.

Gongwe lephata le re bolelele gore, fa go ntse jalo a gona le tsela nngwe e ba e dirisang to meet them halfway, ka gore ba ba nnang mo matlong a ga Goromente o fitlhela dituelo tsa bone di le botoka gona le ba ba nnang kwa private.
E nngwe ke gore, information e Tona a ntseng a e ntsha e a araba, a go tlaa kgonafala gore ba e fetisetse kwa go Motlotlegi Motaosane gore a tle a ye go araba batlhophi ba gagwe ka gore potso e o ne a e botsa e tswa kwa batlhophing ba gagwe.

Ke a leboga.

MR PULE: Ke a leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente.

Ga re na lenaneo la to compensate batho ba ba iphiriseditseng matlo mo motseng.
Lenaneo le re nang le lona ke gore, we can manage gore matlo a re nang le one fa go kgonagala go lebeletswe selekanyo sa matlo, barutabana they share.

In the meantime council le yone re e rotloetsa gore e fokotse seemo sa sharing ka go aga matlo, re dirisa Backlog Eradication Programme le CCP jaaka ke ntse ke bua.
Ya bofelo motlotlegi, information e kana fa o bona re e bua phatlalatsa mo Palamenteng, ke tsaya gore e ka re fa re tswa ra e isa ka ke bontlha bongwe jwa karabo, ra e ise gore Rre Motaosane a tle a nne le yone mo letsogong, go tla go fa kgaolo ya gagwe karabo.

Ke a leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente.

MR LUCAS: Supplementary.

Ke a leboga Mr Speaker, Tona fa o tsamaya mo lefatsheng la Botswana o fitlhela dikole tsa primary schools bogolo jang, bontsi jwa tsone di le seemong se se sa itumediseng.
Tse dingwe o fitlhela o kare gatwe se rathilwe ke tladi, se kgobogile mo go sa siamang.

Kwa ntle ga gore go na le letlhoko la madi, maintenance plan wa lona le le lephata ke gore you maintain sekole le dikago morago ga lebaka le le kae.

E tle e tlhamalale eo, re tle re itse.

Ya bobedi ke gore, go kile ga bo go na le lenaneo Tona le le neng le bidiwa gotwe handyman mo dikoleng.
Le dikole di neng di neelwa matsana gore e re fa go senyegile fensetere, lock kana ceiling, ba bo ba ka kgona gore ba baakanye ka bofefo jo ba ka bo kgonang.

Lenaneo leo le eme, a ga le na maikaelelo Tona a go busetsa thulaganyo ya handyman, ka gore tse dingwe o fitlhela e le dilo tse di simololang di le dinnyennyane di bo di tloga di eteegela ka lebaka, ka gore ga di neelwe attention ka nako e e bofefo.
A ga o bone go tshwanela gore le busetse lenaneo la handyman, gore dikole tse dingwe di tle di kgone go baakanngwa, fa e le paakanyo e e ka se keng ya tlhoka madi a a kalokalo.

Ke a leboga.

MR PULE: Ke a leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, ke a leboga Honourable Lucas.

Kana kgang e o e buang Honourable Lucas, e ama dikgaolo tsotlhe ka bophara.
Tsholofelo mo go rona re le baeteledipele ba sepolotiki ke gore, dikhansele tsotlhe di tshwanetse di nne le mo gotweng ke cyclical maintenance plan, e e supang gore ngwaga le ngwaga ba ya go dira dikole dife le dife.

Ke dingwe tsa dithulaganyo tse ke itseng gore di tshwanetse di bo di le teng.

Le le Mapalamente, le ka e kopa plan ya teng.

Le itse gore mo dikgaolong tsa lona, dikole tse di mo lenaneong la go baakanngwa ke dife.

Tota boikarabelo joo ke jwa dikhansele ka botlalo.


Ke dilo tse re solofelang gore di nne teng.

Re a itse gore fa gongwe go a diragala madi a bo a tla ka koo, e bo e re le fa plan e le teng, e bo e sena mosola ka gore ga e na sponsorship.

Fa o dirile plan mme e sena financial support, e nna e kete ga se plan.

14 Hansard No 205Thursday 24th February, 2022QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER Handymen; ke boammaaruri e ntse e le teng rraetsho.

E ne ya nna le mathata fale le fale o kare ga e dirisiwe sentle.
Ke sone se lephata la me le neng la dira tshwetso ya gore e emisiwe.

To a certain extent e ne e thusa, mme golo gongwe e ne e kete e dirisiwa boatlanyana.

E bo e felela e re lotlhanya le bodiredi jo bo lebaganyeng le tiro ya go nna jalo.

Ke dingwe tsa dilo tse e leng gore jaaka o bua, go tlaare re di sekaseke go bona gore re ka di busetsa jang.

Re bo re nna le some internal controls tse di tlaa dirang gore go se ka ga nna le botlhaswa.

Fa re batla go bua nnete e e tletseng, nothing is cast on stone.
Ga o ka ke wa re o dirile sengwe, o bo o re because o se emisitse ka mabaka a o neng o a ntsha, o bo o re se tlaa emela ruri.

Ke raya gore handymen is a good idea mme we will really look at it and see gore a e ka re berekela.

Fa e le gore e ka re berekela, maybe it is something that we can reintroduce.

Madi a handymen a ne a se kalokalo.

Ga se madi a o ka a dirisang on maintenance.

Ke a leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente.
SMALL SCALE POULTRY OPERATORS MR T. MANGWEGAPE-HEALY (GABORONE CENTRAL): asked the Minister of Agricultural Development and Food Security to state: (i) the number of small scale poultry operators in and around Gaborone; (ii) how many of these are taking benefit of the market opportunities created by the Ministry of Basic Education which has included eggs as part of their schools menu; and (iii) if his ministry or Ministry of Basic Education or Local Government and Rural Development monitor this to ensure that Batswana are equitably treated in their supplies to schools.
ACTING MINISTER OF AGRICULTURAL DEVELOPMENT AND FOOD SECURITY (MR LELATISITSWE): Thank you so much Honourable Speaker and Honourable Healy.

(i) Mr Speaker, Lephata la Agriculture le na le small scale farmers di le 320 mo tikologong ya Gaborone.

Ministry ka boone, ga o rotloetse gore this commercial poultry e ka dirwa mo toropong ka mabaka a re a itseng gore go rua dikoko, di ntsha monko o o nkgang.

Di ka tsenya lerole le le gakgamatsang le tsone fela di modumo.
They can cause noise pollution fa di le mo toropong ya Gaborone.

Gape Agricultural Allocation Guidelines di supa gore a poultry should be 500 metres away from residential areas.

Di supa gore poultry ga e ka ke ya kgona go nna teng mo toropong.

Batho ba ba nnang mo Gaborone ba ba nang le small holdings, either South East, Kweneng kana Kgatleng, ba teng.

(ii) A total of 120 farmers ba ba mo kgaolong e e dikologileng Gaborone benefit from this Government’s initiative to supply dikole ka mae kana nama.
Ministry of Agriculture o thusa gore farmers tse ba kgone go supply institutions tse di mo toropong e, ka mae le ka nama ya koko.

(iii) Ministry further empowers, gape o leka go thusa these poultry farmers to form clusters.

Gompieno go na le tse tharo tse e leng gore they are registered clusters around Gaborone.

Go na le Kgatleng Cluster, South East-MENOMOS Cluster and Kweneng Cluster.

Tsotlhe supply dikoko le mae to Government schools and institutions.
My ministry facilitates these clusters to register with Public Procurement and Asset Disposal Board (PPADB) and Economic Diversification Drive (EDD) for which allows them to access market from Government institutions Mr Speaker.

I thank you.

MR MANGWEGAPE-HEALY: Supplementary.

Thank you Mr Speaker.

Ke a leboga Tona for your answer.

Jaaka o bua gore ba le 320 ba bone tshono e, motho o ka batla go itse gore how do you qualify?
Is a tender floated kana go tlhophiwa ka mokgwa o o ntseng jang gore o felele o kgona to supply dikole?

Minister, dilo tsa rona tsa tenders o fitlhela di na le madubadube, so what measures are in place to make sure gore this thing is done equitably and fairly ga e na tsietsa Motswana?

Minister, jaaka o bua gore you do not encourage this kind of farming mo ditoropong, mme o bua gore di 120 around Gaborone.
What have you done to assist them gore ba tswe fa e leng gore it is not desirable gore kgwebo ya go nna jaana e ka nna teng ba ya kwa go siameng?

Le ba thusitse go le kae ka lefatshe le ditlamelo?

Gape fa motho a santse a le mo thusong ya lona, e le small scale poultry farmer, a le a mo thusa ka go reka dikokwana, melemo, dijo and packaging materials?

Lastly, this financial year e re tswang mo go yone, Ministry of Agriculture got I think about P100 million.
Motho o ka batla go itse gore mo mading ao, ba small scale poultry le ba thusitse go le kae e le a percentage of 15 Hansard No 205Thursday 24th February, 2022QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER madi a le neng le thusa ka one?

O ntse o bua gore le na le dithuso tse le ntseng le ba thusa ka tsone.

I thank you Mr Speaker.

Thank you Minister.

(i) Mr Speaker, as at 31st December 2017, the value of the foreign exchange reserves was P73.7 billion, equivalent to USD 7.5 billion.
MR LELATISITSWE: Thank you so much Mr Speaker.

Mopalamente o ne a batla go itse these farmers fa ba leng teng; ke supe gore fa ba leng teng ga ba mo Gaborone, ba mo tikologong ya Gaborone in their farms kana tse ba di hirisitseng.

Ba thusitswe jalo gore ba tlhame clusters tse e leng gore ke Kweneng Cluster, South East e e bidiwang MENOMOS Cluster le ya Kgatleng Cluster.

These clusters di tsamaisiwa ke ba Lephata la Agriculture ba ba fitlhelwang mo dikgaolong tse.
Ke bone ba ba tshwaraganang le bareki go bona gore dilo tsa bone di a rekwa mo toropong ya Gaborone.

Ke sone seabe se se tona gore go bona gore go se ka ga rekwa kwa ntle, go rekwa mo go clusters tse, tse di registered.

In terms of ba thusitswe ka bokae gore ba ikgodise; ke supe gore potso eo re tlaa feta re e neela ba lephata, gongwe ba ka e araba botoka ka gore e ne e sa botswa.

E rile fa ba brief, ga ba a nneela details tsa yone gore go thusitswe go le kae.
Ke supe gore go tsenelela tenders, go thusa ba Lephata la Agriculture under veterinary, go bona gore dithoto tsa bone ke tse di tswang gaufi.

Go dirisiwa ba ba leng teng ba Agriculture and scientific officers go thusa jalo kwa dikoleng rraetsho.

MR SPEAKER: Thank you Minister.
FOREIGN RESERVES MR D. L. KEORAPETSE (SELEBI PHIKWE WEST): asked the Minister of Finance and Economic Development to update this Honourable House on foreign reserves, she should specifically state and explain: (i) the value in Botswana Pula the country held in December 2017; (ii) how much has been drawn since April 2018; (iii) productive economic activities that have been funded through this process and the consequent and projected economic dividends; (iv) whether the spending was worthy investment; and (v) the current value of the foreign reserves.
(ii) Mr Speaker, during the period 1st April 2018, to 31st December 2021, the decline in foreign exchange reserves of Botswana or net withdrawals were as follows: 2018: P7.1 billion; 2019: 2020: P14.5 billion; P22.3 billion; and 2021: P10.6 billion.
The net withdrawals of the foreign exchange reserves (or net foreign exchange outflow) in any one year, as was the case for the four years of 2018 to 2021, means that the amounts paid for import of goods and services in foreign currency as well as investments abroad made by residents of Botswana exceeded the amount of foreign currency receipts (export earnings) and inward investment by non-residents.
In general, it should be noted that changes in the level of foreign exchange reserves result from surpluses or deficits on the balance of payments which, in turn, are driven mainly by the level of foreign trade (imports and exports).

(iii) Mr Speaker, as was explained in response to a similar Parliamentary Question No.
685 asked by Honourable Taolo Lucas in August 2021, foreign exchange reserves are, by definition, assets or funds held by central banks denominated in foreign currency, used to finance international transactions.
Such transactions include payments for goods and services (imports) that can be used for production, consumption and/or supply of essential services, outward investment by residents in foreign markets (in search of higher returns) and servicing of external obligations on behalf of Government, businesses and households.
As an example, the procurement of raw materials or equipment for infrastructure projects, essential food and medical services by both private companies and Government ministries from outside Botswana are paid for in foreign currency.

MINISTER OF FINANCE AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT (MS SERAME): Thank you Mr Speaker.

Good afternoon Honourable Members.


Similarly, regular allocations for Government embassies abroad, repayment of foreign currency denominated debt, and similar external obligations consume foreign 16 Hansard No 205Thursday 24th February, 2022QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER exchange.
Furthermore, the purchase of electricity by Botswana Power Corporation (BPC) (from Eskom in South Africa), consumption and construction goods by large retailers like (World Group of Companies, Choppies, Spar), building material merchants, oil imports by oil companies and import of cars by the general car dealership industry are supported by the country’s foreign exchange reserves.
There is also the import of capital goods required by contractors undertaking infrastructure projects and manufacturing entities.

The infrastructure projects would include key projects such as the North-South Water Carrier, the Kazungula and Mohembo bridges and Botswana Fibre Networks (BoFiNet) backbone infrastructure.
Furthermore, asset managers and pension funds require foreign exchange to discharge their mandates to their clientele by investing a significant portion of their portfolios in foreign markets.

Mr Speaker, I have given these several examples to demonstrate to Members of Parliament that, the foreign exchange reserves held at the Bank of Botswana are not exclusively for use by Government.
In addition to Government’s external obligations, a large portion of the foreign exchange reserves is used to support payments for private sector imports and other productive economic activities by residents.

In this instance, businesses and individuals sell their own Botswana Pula to the Bank of Botswana and/or commercial banks to get foreign currency.
Mr Speaker, I wish to remind the Honourable Members that major foreign exchange inflows comprise receipts from Southern African Customs Union (SACU) and diamond revenues.

In total, the inflows were much lower in the advent of COVID-19 due to subdued economic activity and, therefore, lower export earnings.
In general, the accumulation and preservation of foreign reserves would be supported by enhanced economic diversification and export-oriented production, resulting in an increase in the sources and value of export earnings and relative reduction in the range and value of imports.
(iv) Mr Speaker, as can be observed from the examples I have enumerated, the cumulative drawdown of the country’s foreign exchange reserves, over the four years, was used to undertake productive economic activities and fund investments and other welfare-enhancing activities for Botswana residents.
Notably, the availability of foreign to exchange reserves enabled Government purchase essential supplies and procure the much- needed COVID-19 vaccines and related supplies at a time when diamond and tourism receipts had virtually dried up.

Mr Speaker, it should be understood that such use of foreign exchange reserves is to fund expenditure as approved by Parliament through the annual and supplementary budget submissions.
(v) Mr Speaker, the amount of foreign exchange reserves as at 31st December 2021 was P56 billion or USD4.8 billion.
Overall, while the foreign exchange reserves have fallen, especially in the advent of COVID-19, and there is need to be rebuilt, they have and continue to serve the purpose for their maintenance; that is affording uninterrupted access to foreign exchange for sustained economic activity and consumption needs and, generally, for stabilisation purposes and discretion in the conduct of macroeconomic policies.

I thank you, Mr Speaker.

MR KEORAPETSE: Supplementary.

Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

Ke a leboga Tona.


Ke botse gore what we have in the reserves right now can cover how many months or is worth how many months of import cover?

That is the first question.

The second question is on whether you have a target in terms of how much you wish to replenish or to build the reserves?

What is your target?

Do you have any target that you have including timelines?

Thirdly, what is the general Government policy on management of reserves in terms of drawing down the reserves?
Is it not prudent to have specific projects that can be funded through drawing down the reserves rather than a normal financing of the budget?

I thank you Mr Speaker.

MS SERAME: Thank you Mr Speaker.

Mo go ya ntlha, go tlaa re ke tle ke ye go batla copy ya me ya Budget Speech because I think go teng mo teng, tsa bofelo tsa 2021 gore import cover ya teng ke how many months.

Ke tlaa e batla, ke tlaa mo e romelela.


Mr Speaker, ya targets, the international practice ke gore generally e simolola from three to six months.

Ke yone the recommended practice.


However, rona re le mo Botswana Mr Speaker, what the practice has been and the general understanding and policy ya rona e ne e le gore given our vulnerability as a country mo e leng gore we rely fela mainly on diamond revenue, re ne re tsaya gore six months ga a re siamela, re bo re ipeela gore re batla go simolola fa go bo 12 months.
Over time, 17 Hansard No 205Thursday 24th February, 2022QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER we have really been able to have the reserves tsa bo 12 months, sometimes even bo 24 months.

Mo seemong se re neng re le mo go sone, ke sone se the level of reserves import cover… I think the last one fa ke gakologelwa e ne e le bo 10 months Mr Speaker.

Se re eletsang go se dira ke gore re boele gape kwa go bone bo 18 months ba e leng gore ke bone ba o tlaa fitlhelang e le the norm.
Gape sa bofelo ke tlhalose gore generally kana re ntse re le mo extraordinary times.

Generally, reserves tsa rona ga re di dirise just for the normal day-to-day expenditure ka gore o tlaa fitlhela e le gore mainly for Government which is the Government Investment Account (GIA), o tlaa fitlhela e le gore re duela our debt obligations tse di duelwang in foreign currency.
Ke seemo sa gompieno fela Mr Speaker se e leng gore we had to draw down our reserves go tsamaisa the normal budget fela re ya go reka melemo and other recurrent expenses.

Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

MR KEORAPETSE: Mo nthuseng foo.

MS SERAME: O na le mathata.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ga o thusiwe sepe, o tshwenya ngwanake.

A ko o celebrate birthday ya gago o tswe mo go ngwanake.

MR KEORAPETSE: …(Laughter!

)… MS SERAME: And o santse a tlaa nna le stress.
QUESTION WITHOUT NOTICE MANDATORY COVID-19 VACCINATION MR D. SALESHANDO (MAUN WEST): asked the Minister of Health and Wellness to state if the plan by the Government of Botswana is to impose mandatory COVID-19 vaccination and further clarify the following: (i) why a 72-hour negative Polymerase Chain Reaction (PCR) COVID-19 test result is not sufficient to allow for entry into Botswana as is the case with all our neighbours; (ii) if he is aware that the world is focused on lifting restrictions associated with COVID-19 to allow for more unrestricted movement of persons and goods; and state why Botswana is opting for more restrictions; (iii) if the ministry had considered the negative impact that the new restrictions would have on tourism and state the measures in place to avert cancellations by inbound tourists and if there have indeed been such cancellations; and (iv) state the impact of the restrictions on the transportation of goods into Botswana by unvaccinated truck drivers who had a negative PCR COVID-19 test result.
ASSISTANT MINISTER OF HEALTH AND WELLNESS (MR LELATISITSWE): Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

Mr Speaker, ke supe jaana gore 72-hour PCR test ke nngwe ya tools tse re di dirisang jalo go fokotsa gore bolwetse jwa COVID gongwe bo se ka jwa felela bo tsena kana bo felela bo phatlalala le lefatshe le la rona.
(i) Re supe jaana gore the ideal way, kana ka fa tota mafatshe a mangwe a dirang ka teng, fa motho a goroga ka PCR test kwa mafatsheng a bone, le fa e tla e le negative wa 72 hours, ba dirwa mo gotweng rapid test, ba bo ba boa ba isolate for ten more days, mme e bo e le gone ba letlelelwang go tsena mo setšhabeng.

Rona re le lefatshe se ga re se dire.

Mme se ga se reye gore PCR test is to say it is a full proof that COVID ga e yo mo mothong.
Ke supe jaana Mr Speaker gore, the options di dintsi tsa go fokotsa importation kana go tlisa mogare mo lefatsheng kana le gone go bona the potential ya malwetse kana variants tse di ka tlang di tla le ba ba tsenang mo lefatsheng.
Re gakologelwe jalo gore the test is costly, e a tura, mme le yone ka fa e dirwang ka teng segolo jang mo batsamaing, kana motho o a kgotlhiwa dinko tse kgapetsakgapetsa, moo le gone fela ka bogone go ama le motho, gore fa a ntse a nna a boelela test gantsintsi go felela go ama, segolo jang batsamai.
Ke sone se e leng gore re le lefatshe le la Botswana, kana gone go leka to ease up at the border, we substituted that frequent nnetlu, batho gore ba nne ba itlhatlhoba ka full vaccination as pre-entry requirement.

Ke sone se re neng ra se dira Mr Speaker (ii) Ke supe jalo gore Botswana is aligned with countries tse re bapileng le tsone mo go fokotseng jalo the restrictions, gore batho ba boele mo botshelong jo ba ntseng ba bo tshela.
Ke tsaya gore ba rotlhe re a itse gore re ne ra emisa mo gotweng State of Emergency le curfews.

Batswana gompieno ba tsamaya bosigo jotlhe le motshegare.

Ra emisa mo gotweng travel restrictions, re a itse gore go ne go na le melelwane kwa bo Dibete go ya kwa, tse tsotlhe re ne ra di emisa.

Ra emisa le malatsi, a neng motho a tsaya a le mo isolation or quarantine, re a fokoditse go ya kwa bo five days jalo.
Le gone mo e leng gore jaanong kwa melelwaneng the PCR negative test fa o kentile re go letlelela fela gore o 18 Hansard No 205Thursday 24th February, 2022QUESTION WITHOUT NOTICE kgone go tsena mo lefatsheng la rona.

Se ke go supa jalo gore re le lefatshe re eme ka dinao go bona jalo gore re leka go bulela itsholelo gore e tswelele e ye kwa pele.
Go fokotsa these restrictions, e dirwa ka mokgwa o e leng gore ga re batle gore kamoso re bo re iphitlhela re le mo seemong se re neng re le mo go sone mo dinakong tse di fetileng.

Ke gone mo e leng gore we insist on the vaccination fa o tla mo lefatsheng le la Botswana Mr Speaker.

Mapalamente otlhe ba a gakologelwa gore Mapalamente ba ne ba eme ka dinao, segolo jang ba kganetso, ba bua jalo gore… nako ya fa bolwetse jwa Delta bo goroga, gotwe bo tsene jang mo lefatsheng.
Go buiwa dikgang tse di thata tse go neng gotwe re bo letleletse jalo go tswa kwa India go tsena mo lefatsheng.

Jaanong ke tsaya gore science e re supegetsa jalo gore fa motho a kentile, a fully vaccinated, the chances of him transmitting the virus to the other person e kwa tlase fela thata.

Jaanong re leka jalo go kganela bolwetse jo gone kwa melelwaneng Mr Speaker.
(iii) Mr Speaker, e rile fa re sena to implement this new instrument kana the regulations tse di sha, re supe jalo gore ga go ise go nne le phetogo mo go tsamayeng kana go tsweng ga batho mo lefatsheng le.

Mafatshe otlhe go ntse go tsenwa fela, ga re ise re bone phetogo epe le fa re tsaya dipalopalo kwa melelwaneng.
Re supe jalo gore the regulations we are imposing mo melelwaneng, tse Mopalamente a botsang ka tsone, le mo mafatsheng a mangwe di a dirisiwa, le kwa bo Europe tota, le mafatshe a mangwe a bo India, China jalo.

Ga o ka ke wa tsena kwa mafatsheng ao o sena results kana o sa kenta gotlhelele, ka gore ga ba eletse jalo gore o tle o ba tlele mogare.
Mafatshe a mangwe ba dira ka lenaneo le ke le buileng la ntlha le e leng gore le fa o tla ka 72 hours PCR test ba go neela a rapid test fa godimo ga moo, and quarantine you for 10 to 14 days at your own cost, pele fa ba go letlelela go tsena mo lefatsheng.

Rona re bo re sa batle go tsaya moo, ka gore fa o tla o le mojanala re bo re go kwarantina 14 days, go raya gore nako ya gago e feletse mo kwarantining.
Jaanong re ne re sa batle go tsaya that kind of nnetlu, ke gone mo re letlelelang Batswana le ope yo o tsenang mo lefatsheng gore fa o kentile o a phuthologa mo lefatsheng le, o tsamaela gongwe le gongwe kwa o ka yang teng.

Re supe jalo gore the tourism industry ke nngwe e e leng gore it has benefitted thata into this arrangement.

O ka gakologelwa gore bajanala, e rile fa COVID e kelemile, ba ne ba batla go itse gore a batho ba ba koo ba kentilwe, pele fa ba ka goroga, ba ya kwa makgobokgobong.
Ke kile ka ya kwa Maun as the Assistant Minister of Health, ke ya go kopana le the operators, e bile ba ntshupegetsa jalo gore mo mekentong e tlang pele, go isiwe go ye go kentiwa batho ba bone, ka gore bajanala are canceling the bookings ka mabaka a gore ga ba batle go tsena mo lefelong le e leng gore bone ba tla ba kentile, ba bo ba tsena mo tikologong e e sa kentang.
Ke se re neng ra ba kgotsofatsa, ra dira jalo, ra dira gore ka gore lefatshe le la rona le itshireleditse ka bojanala, mme re kente batho ba ka bofefo Mr Speaker.

Ke sone se e leng gore fa re e lebelela jalo, gompieno mo mafatsheng a a leng teng, Botswana e kgakala thata le gore it can be red listed mo bathong ba ba sa kentang.
Jaanong ka gore e bile tota lefatshe le la rona la Botswana re santse re tsamaya mo go around 67 per cent, fa re tsaya batho botlhe ba ba leng mo lefatsheng ba ba setseng ba kentilwe.

Golo mo go a supafala gore we are just close to reaching the herd immunity e mafatshe ba dumelang jalo gore fa tšhaba e ntsi jaana e kentile, le fa go ka nna le bolwetse e ka sireletsega.
Jaanong ke sengwe sa dilo tse e leng gore it attracts the investors le batho ba bo tourism, gore ba bone gore lefatshe le ke le ba ka tlang mo go lone ba sireletsegile Mr Speaker.

(iv) Part four Mr Speaker, e ne e supa fela jalo e batla go itse ka bo raditeraka, gore a mme mo metsamaong ya bone ya diteraka since golo mo go diragala, re supe fela jalo gore ga go ...(Inaudible)… since this instrument was imposed at the borders, ga go na pharologanyo epe e e leng teng mo motsamaong.
Ke tsaya gore ke kgang e ke e buileng lantlha.

Ke supe jalo gore from February to date, re kgonne go kenta batho ba le over 3000 gone kwa melelwaneng, fa re simolola golo mo.

About 3 per cent of this number Mr Speaker, re supe gore e ...(Inaudible)… mme e busediwa kwa morago ka mabaka a a tlhamaletseng, mabaka a teng ke gore ba ne ba tla ka fake certificates, kwa melelwaneng e e tshwanang le Ramokgwebana le Kazungula.
Fa re setse re tshwaragana le ba botsogo kwa ba tswang teng, kwa bo Zambia le Zimbabwe ka fa, re fitlhela e le gore nnyaa, batho bao ga ba a kentiwa.

Ba ba ntseng jalo fa ba gana go kentiwa re ne re ba busetsa morago, ka mabaka one ao a gore, kana jaanong fa o tla ka fake results, fake certificates you are more riskier.
Re ne re sa batle gore kamoso Rre Saleshando a re botse gore bolwetse bo tsene… (Inaudible)… Nako le nako kwa borders fa motho a goroga, they confirm le mafatshe gore a mme motho yo o kentile, a mme golo mo ke boammaaruri.
E bile ke supe jalo gore fa e le ba gorogang ka airlines, it is 100 per cent compliant ka gore le airlines fela kwa di tswang teng, fa ba go pega, 19 Hansard No 205Thursday 24th February, 2022QUESTION WITHOUT NOTICE pele they confirm gore a mme you conform le melao ya lefatshe le o yang kwa go lone.

Jaanong se se re supegetsa gore mo airlines, it is 100 per cent, ga re ise re kopane le mathata ape Mr Speaker.

Ka bokhutshwane, ke a leboga.

Ke yone karabo eo.

kwa borders.


Go setse e bile go na le court orders, bangwe ba tsena mo lefatsheng le ka court orders.

A se ka a ipaya yo o sa itseng.

Ke kopa gore a e bale jaaka a e kwaletswe, a lese go nna bofitlha jaaka a dira a tshameka ka mafoko.

Ke kopa karabo Mr Speaker.

MR SALESHANDO: Mr Speaker, ke kopa gore gongwe re thusane kgang e ka gore Tona go a bonala gore ga a na maikaelelo a go araba.

O buile ka boleele, mme ga a itebaganya le dikgang tse di mo potsong.
Potso e simolotse fela kwa ntlheng e re ‘to ask the Minister of Health and Wellness to state if the plan by the Government of Botswana is to impose mandatory COVID-19 vaccination,’ ga a araba; gotlhelele ga a tsena mo go yone.

Ke tshotse tlhaloso fa e e tswang kwa ministry wa bone, ya gore fa o tla o le unvaccinated, ba batla negative PCR tests plus ba bo go kenta.

Gone moo kana ke compulsory vaccination.

A ke one maikaelelo a lona?


Wa reng ka kgang e e neng e buiwa ke Tautona gore re le Botswana ga re na go tsena mo compulsory vaccination?

Ga o a araba gotlhelele, o a itse gore ke yone kgang yone eo.

Ya bobedi Mr Speaker, mo (i) ga a araba gore ke eng ba sa tseye gore 72-hour negative PCR test e le nosi e lekane.

Ga a araba gore ke eng ba tsaya gore ga e a lekana.

O dikologile fela a tshameka ka mafoko a re diela nako.
Ya boraro, e ne e mmotsa gore, a mme gone mo, ga a bone go sa tsamaelane le go leka go fokotsa go kganela mesepele.

Go tswa ka di 14 tsa ga February go fitlhelela gompieno, re okeditse restrictions.

Ga se mo o ka boelang kwa morago wa re re kile ra bo re reng.

Potso ke gore, ke eng le oketsa restrictions from the 14th of February?

Ga a araba.

Ya bone, gore a go nnile le cancellations kwa tourism, ga a araba gore cancellations di nnile teng.
Ga go molato gore o bo o re ga ke itse, but e seng go tshameka ka mafoko, o bo o re kwa borders re bone dipalo tsa batho di ntse di tsena ka gore ba tourism ba supa gore cancellations di nnile teng di le di ntsi, and mo bekeng e le nngwefela, tourism has lost over P100 million.

Ya botlhano, Tona o a itse gore go ne go na le threat of strike kwa Kazungula Bridge sa drivers tsa diteraka tse di neng di tla ka 72-hours negative test and they had not vaccinated.
Jaanong Mr Speaker, ke kopa gore Tona fa e le gore o tshotse karabo, a e bale jaaka e ntse, e seng go tshameka ka mafoko.

Ke batla karabo.

There is need to answer Mr Speaker, ka gore kgang e e tsositse mathata MR SPEAKER: Honourable Minister.

MR LELATISITSWE: Thank you so much Mr Speaker.


Ke ne ke tsaya gore mokaulengwe o a utlwa Rre Saleshando, mme fa re tsaya part one of the question Mr Speaker, ka fa ke neng ke e araba ka teng, ke supile jalo gore go na le mandatory request ya gore fa o tsena kwa, go tlhokafala gore o bo o kentilwe.

Ke tsaya gore ke e tlhamaleditse fela jalo, ke bo ke e fa le mabaka a gore ke eng ke rialo.

Ke tsaya gore ke go arabile ka bokhutshwane.


Ke tshwere report e ke tsayang gore ke buile le yone gore Mr Speaker, batho ba ba tseneng mo lefatsheng le, ke buile gore there is only three per cent or around 100 people who were returned ka mabaka a ke a buileng a gore motho yo o ne a tla ka fake certificates tsa vaccination.

Ra bo re mmusa ka mabaka a gore fa re rurifatsa (confirm) le mafatshe, mafatshe a ne a re supegetsa gore nnyaa, motho yoo ga a kenta.
Ba ne ba tlile ka fake certificates tsa vaccination.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Mr Speaker, can the Minister confine himself to the questions as asked.

He must answer the material questions.

MR SALESHANDO: Yes, ga re ise re bue ka fake results.

It is not part of the question.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Can he do that?

Mr Speaker, can you ask the Minister to comply with the Standing Orders; answering questions, the material questions that are asked by Honourable Saleshando.
We are not interested in some of the things that he is saying.

Can he confine himself to answering the questions?

MR LELATISITSWE: Mr Speaker, gongwe let me read the answer in English.

Ke ne ke tsaya gore ke bua le Batswana gore ba nkutlwe, mme I will just answer the questions in English maybe they can understand.

Mr Speaker, (i) 72-hour PCR test is a useful tool to help to reduce the risk of infection.
In fact, the ideal way to use this tool is to have people preventing the negative PCR results, then doing rapid tests on them at the point of entry, followed by a quarantine for 10 to 20 Hansard No 205Thursday 24th February, 2022QUESTION WITHOUT NOTICE 14 days at which time they would be subjected to another PCR test before letting them into the public.

Ke tsaya gore this is what I said in Setswana.

about…(Inaudible)… of the whole population.


This should be attractive to investors, tourists due to promising safety nets we have created for ourselves as a country.

This is what many countries are doing.

However, as that maybe, this is not to say it is full proof.

There are many options including PCR test requirement in reducing the risk of importation of virus and the potential of viruses of concern.

On the scale of balance, the test is costly and inclusive particularly for frequent travellers.
In the long-term, repeating testing is not sustainable both for individuals and countries, hence the idea of easing up of testing at the borders and substituting that with the requirement of full vaccination as pre-entry requirements.

You get it?

That is part one; pre-entry requirements and full vaccination.

(ii) Mr Speaker, Botswana is in alignment with countries to ease towards ongoing moves COVID-19 restrictions.

We ended the State of Emergency (SoE), that was number one of easing.
We ended curfews, that was number two.

We ended travel restrictions and the number of days required to isolate and quarantine people, as well as testing and the PCR negative tests requirements at our ports of entry for those who have up to date vaccination certificates.

Ease of restrictions should be done in a strictly and responsible manner, hence the insistency of vaccination of all those coming into the country.
(iii) Mr Speaker; ever since the implementation of the said Statutory Instrument, there has not been any change in trends of arrivals.

Note that this is not altogether new as many countries have implemented the same requirements.

Most countries in Europe and other parts of the world do not require PCR test results for those fully vaccinated.

You enforce quarantines for all arrivals for 10 to 14 days at their own costs before allowing them into the general public.
It stands to reason that Botswana has opened its borders to allow ease of movement at ports of entry.

The tourism industry is the biggest beneficiary of this arrangement as likelihood of Botswana being red listed by the first world countries on the basis of their COVID-19 risk analysis.
It is now low and as a result, it is deemed safe, particularly when considering our high vaccination coverage of (iv) Mr Speaker, so far there has not been any visible change to trucks arrival trends, since this Statutory Instrument.

The jury is still out there, but we believe we as a country are on the right side of history on this one.

Thank you, that is exactly what I said in Setswana.
MR SALESHANDO: Supplementary, ke utlwa Tona gore se a se buang ke gore jaanong ga o ka ke wa letlelelwa go tsena mo Botswana o sa vaccinate, in other words, he confirms gore jaanong vaccine is mandatory fa o boela mo Lefatsheng la Botswana le fa o ka tla o le negative.
Ke kopa gore a re tlhalosetse gore, fa Tautona Dr Mokgweetsi Masisi a a fa interviews kwa British Broadcasting Corporation (BBC) le Cable News Network (CNN), a re lefatshe la Botswana ga le ka ke la impose mandatory vaccine mo go ba ba sa batleng go tsaya mokento.

A re moo go tlaabo go le kgatlhanong le Molaomotheo wa lefatshe, a seo ba se fetogetse e le Puso?

MR LELATISITSWE: Thank you so much Mr Speaker, that is quite a simple question Mr Speaker.
There was no way we can impose mandatory vaccination ka nako ya teng, ka gore Tautona was very clear, o ne a supa jalo gore nako ya teng go ne go sena enough vaccines mo lefatsheng le mo go rona ka kwano.

Go raya gore he was very right to say we cannot impose.

Gompieno we have surplus that is why we impose that vaccination for people coming into the country.

Ke tsaya gore Tautona o ne a bua jalo a tlhamaletse, se a neng a se bua o ne a bua se se tshwanetseng.
You cannot impose what you do not have, so we impose what we have.

MR MOTSAMAI: Supplementary.

Tanki Mr Speaker.

Tshwetso ya to impose, ka gore re tsamaisa ka morero kana puso ya batho ka batho, go rerisitswe batho go le kanankang?

Ke dumela thata gore ba bua ka morero letsatsi le letsatsi, gore ke one o ba tlaa o salang morago?
Ke bua jaana Mr Speaker ke batla go botsa Tona gore, as you impose go kenta moo, are you doing so le tlhatlhobile motho bolwetse jo bo ka tsamaelanang le gore e re fa a sena go kentiwa a tlhakatlhakane, a bo a felele gongwe a tswa mo botshelong kana a nna paralysed ka tsela epe.

Ke mang yo o tsayang boikarabelo jwa mofuta o o ntseng jalo?
21 Hansard No 205Thursday 24th February, 2022QUESTION WITHOUT NOTICE Ya bobedi Mr Speaker ke gore, as you imposed a le ne le sekasekile gore ke lona ba le buang ka ditumelo le ditshwanelo tsa mongwe le mongwe.

A le ne le buile le ba ditumelo tse di farologaneng, Ditshwanelo le makgotla a a lebaneng gore kana mme re tla ka tshwetso e e ntseng jaana, e e ka nnang ya tsaya le botshelo jwa motho ka gore o tsenya selo mo mmeleng se mmele o sa se tlwaelang?

Mr Speaker ya boraro, go na le kgang ya kwa dikoleng.
Bana ba bolelelwa gore fa o sa kenta, ga o na go kwala exam, ba bo ba felela ba kentiwa.

As you impose go kenta bana, a ke ba lona, a le itse gore ba lwala bolwetse bofe, ba ilwa ke eng?

Fa ba tlhokafala kana ba fetoga ka fa ba ka fetogang ka teng ba nna le bogole, ke mang yo o arabelang dikgang tsa mofuta o o ntseng jalo?

A gape le lebeletse melawana ya ditshwanelo tsa bana, gore fa o dira jalo le a bo le gataka ditshwanelo tsa bone tsa thuto, gore ba na le tshwanelo ya thuto Mr Speaker?
Mr Speaker kwa bofelelong ke re, a mme Tona re dumele gore tshwetso e le e tsayang e, le e tsaya ka gore le batla go kenta batho, kana le tsaya tshwetso e ka gore le paletswe kwa tshimologong to order melemo ka nako?

Melemo e tletse thateng jaanong e mentsi e a senyega (expire), fa e expire ke sone se le batlang go tlhaba mongwe le mongwe gore melemo e se ka ya expire le ise le tlhabe mongwe le mongwe.

Ka kgang e Mr Speaker ke re, a Tona kgang e a e buang e boammaaruri, re dumele go le kae mo go ene.
E siametse batho botlhe go le kae mo go bone, gore ba bo ba kentiwa ba sa batle, ba sa dirise tselana e bogolo lefatshe le ka se keng la tsogelwe ke medumo ya go gataka ditshwanelo tsa setho?

Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

MR LELATISITSWE: Thank you so much Mr Speaker.

Mr Speaker, ke supe jaana gore go maswabi thata gore batho ba ba buang jaana, ke batho ba ba kentileng botlhe.

Nte ke supe jaana go araba Honourable Member, ke supe gore individual liberties do not override the public health protection.
Go raya gore wena ka bo wena o le nosi, ditshwanelo tsa gago o tshwanetse gore o itse jalo gore ga di fete tsa tshireletsego ya setšhaba.

Ke selo sa ntlha se o se itseng.

Gompieno everybody mo Botswana o rwala mask, mask is mandatory, but o na le rights, but you are putting on a mask, ke sone se se go supegetsang gore le sone se re se dirang go tshwana le seo se o se dirang sa mask.

You are now putting on a mask, mme o na le rights tsa gago o le motho.

Ke tsaya jalo gore tse o tshwanetse gore o di itse.
Risks tsa go kenta, gakere gompieno fa re kenta we do not test anybody, ga re go test sepe mme re a go kenta.

The 67 per cent e re buang ka yone e re e kentileng, ga re ise re ko re test ope pele ka gore the clinical trials have been done.

Go dirilwe trials tse dintsi, gape go a supagala gore benefits versus the side effects, benefits di kwa godimo.
Re ne re le teng mo lefatsheng le ka July dipatela di tletse gongwe le gongwe, e rile fela batho ba simolola to vaccinate ba le bantsi ra bona benefits tsa gore batho ba a fokotsega mo dipateleng.

Go maswabi thata gore batho ba ...(Inaudible)… ba le teng ba re batho ba a swa ba bolawa ke Puso ya ga Domkrag, letsatsi leno ba re batho ba se ka ba kentiwa.

Legale ka Batswana ba reeditse ba a ba ikutlwela.


Vaccination safety rra, trials di dirilwe ...(Inaudible)... legale ke tsaya gore Batswana ba reeditse, ke bone ba e tlaa reng kamoso ba bo ba bona gore a mme se re se dirang ke se se tsamaelanang le ka fa re batlang go ba sireletsa ka teng.
Ya dikole e a neng a bua ka gore gatwe bana fa ba sa kenta ba se ka ba kwala exam, nnyaa e o ka e botsa ba Ministry of Basic Education, ga e tswe ka kwa go rona rraetsho, ga re e itse le rona le kwa kgaolong ya me ga ke ise ke ko ke e utlwe.
Gongwe e utlwaletse kwa nnetung ya gago, fa gongwe fa batlhophi ba rona le bone ba bua selo, o nne o tlhola boammaaruri mo teng, ka gore ga re batle gore go tswa fa re bo re ya kwa Kgalagadi... HONOURABLE MEMBER: A se ka a re golega ka ditlontlokwane, ga re ise re ko re bue dilo tseo.

MR LELATISITSWE: Ee, ke dilo tse di gakgamatsang.

Ga o utlwe ke re a nne a tlhola batlhophi ba gagwe pele ga nneu.

Gongwe o tswa go tsaya dikgang tse kwa sepotong.


MR MOTSAMAI: O itse gore o bua le mang, o se ka wa mpolelela sepoto.

Ga ke nwe bojalwa, ga ke ise ke bo leke, o bo nwe o le nosi.

MR LELATISITSWE: Ke wetse Mr Speaker.

MR KEORAPETSE: Supplementary.

Ke a leboga Mr Speaker, ke clarify gore ga gona ope, le fa e le Honourable Saleshando le ope mo UDC yo o reng batho ba se ka ba kentiwa, ga a yo.
Se re se botsang Honourable Minister is a very simple question gore, a le pateletsa batho mokento wa COVID-19, ke yone potso e e leng teng.

Go itshupile gore go raya gore le pateletsa ba ba tsenang kwa melelwaneng ba tswa kwa mafatsheng a 22 Hansard No 205Thursday 24th February, 2022QUESTION WITHOUT NOTICE sele, e bile e le Batswana.

Potso ke gore, ba ba mo teng maikaelelo a lona a ke go tla kwa Palamenteng, go tla go dira molao o o ba pateletsang, kgotsa ke go ba pateletsa ka tsela e e ntseng jang?
HONOURABLE MEMBER: Go simolotse leng go nna ka fa molaong go kenta batho ba sa batle?

HONOURABLE MEMBER: A le a bo le ikutlwa?

Le a bo le tsoga le itatola kamoso.

O ntse o supa fa gore you cannot impose what you do not have, because you have excess vaccine, e le nang le letshogo la expiry ya yone, ke sone se le e pateletsang batho.

Potso ke gore, ba ba mo teng, ba ba seng kwa ntle, le ya go ba pateletsa ka tsela e e ntseng jang?
Sa bobedi ke gore a le ipaakanyeditse ditsheko jaaka go setse go na le judgement against you in a ...(Inaudible)…e e ntshitsweng ke Justice Maphakwane, mo case ya ga Dikeledi Phoo Dingake, e a neng a gwetlha go tsena ga gagwe mo lefatsheng kwa ntle ga go pateletswa go kentiwa?

Ke tsaya gore ke judgement e o setseng o na le yone.
Jaanong potso ya me ke yone eo ya gore a se se neng se buiwa ke Motlotlegi Tautona recently, not nako e go neng go sena mokento, mo interviews tse tsa maloba, sa gore ga le na go pateletsa batho mokento, a selo seo le se fetogetse, ka gore Tautona o ne a tlhalosa gore ga go ka fa molaong?

We can share the clip with you fa e le gore ga o a e bona.

Jaanong go nnile ka fa molaong leng go pateletsa batho mokento?
As I have said in the beginning Mr Speaker, none of us in the opposition are saying batho ba se ka ba kentiwa, because we are vaccinated.

He is right, we are vaccinated.

What we are saying is that ba se ka ba pateletsa batho mokento, ba ba sa o batleng.

Ke a leboga.

MR LELATISITSWE: Thank you so much Mr Speaker.

Ke tsaya gore potso ya ga Rre Keorapetse, ke e arabile fa ke araba Honourable Saleshando, fa o bona le ene a didimetse a sa tlhole a bua.
Fa o tsena kwa molelwaneng... HONOURABLE MEMBER: Nnyaa, ke itlhobogile ka karabo.

MR LELATISITSWE: Ee.

MR KEORAPETSE: He has given up on you.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Tshabang o ne a re ga go na bolwetse, ga o gopole?

HONOURABLE MEMBER: La re gotweng jaanong?

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Go simolotse leng go nna ka fa molaong, go pateletsa batho?

MR KEORAPETSE: Morwaeng, o kare o motho a na le 15 years a le mo Cabinet, but you are just a new comer, a novice and o tlile go tlhola o re tenne gone fa.
MR MORWAENG: Monna, ke mo Pusong.

Phathi ya gago ga e mo Pusong.

Domkrag e mo Pusong.

MR KEORAPETSE: …(Inaudible)… MR SPEAKER: We are waiting for the Honourable Minister of Health to reply.

We are not going with all this chattering… MR LELATISITSWE: Mr Speaker, ke kopa ba didimale, ke arabe.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Mr Speaker, se diiwe ke Dithapelo o tagilwe ke kuku, ga a ka ke a roga bagolo… HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ke yone cake e a e jang.
MR SPEAKER: Ga ke itse gore batho ba bua ka ga eng, ba tshwanetse gore ba go reetse Minister o o fa dikarabo.

MR LELATISITSWE: Mr Speaker, Section 80 in the Public Health Act allows the Minister to impose vaccination requirement on people ba ba tsenang mo lefatsheng.

Ke reye Honourable Keorapetse le Honourable Saleshando, gore kwa Khuduthamageng kana caucus ya bone ya UDC, mongwe a ba balele section yone e, e tlaa ba tlhalosetsa sone se ke buang ka sone fa.
Never Tshabang o itidimaletse ka gore o tshaba mafoko ale a gagwe a a kileng a a bua pele.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ka re ga ke na nako ya botsenwa.

Le a tsenwa maDomkrag.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: O rile ga go na bolwetse, o fetogile?

MR KEORAPETSE: Le se ka la pateletsa batho.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ba simolotse.

MR LELATISITSWE: Ke dumela jalo Mr Speaker, gore eo ke e arabile.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ene le monna wa Okavango.


23 Hansard No 205Thursday 24th February, 2022QUESTION WITHOUT NOTICE MR TSHERE: Thank you Honourable Mr Speaker.

Mma pele ke tlhalose gore yo o neng a bua ka consultation, go rerisiwa mo kgannyeng e, Komiti ya Botsogo ga e a rerisiwa mo kgannyeng e, re e utlwile fela, re bo re bua le Honourable Dikoloti ka yone mo bekeng e fetileng.
Santlha ke ne ke re mme ke botse Tona gore, a golo mo ke seemo se le se dirang e le sa nakwana kgotsa ke selo se re tlaa se bonang se ya kwa pele le ntse le impose gore batho ba kentiwe kwa melelwaneng?

A ke selo sa nakwana, re lebeletse yone mekento e le e tshwereng fela?

A fa e fela, go a fela golo moo?

Sabobedi Mr Speaker, ke a utlwa gore Tona o bua gore Public Health Act e ba fa dithata tsa go ka kenta motho yo o tswang kwa lefatsheng le lengwe fa a tsena mo Botswana.
Kana e mo fa gape thata ya gore fa a gana a sa batle go kentiwa, o ka boa a se ka a tsena mo lefatsheng la Botswana.

Jaanong fa e le gore e tlaabo e re Motswana, e raya gore a boele kae fa e le gore ga a batle gore a kentiwe ka tsela e e ntseng jalo?

So golo moo go a gatelela.

Ke gone mo bakaulengwe ba lekang go go tlhalosa.

Fa o e baya jalo, fa a sa batle, go raya gore ga a na kwa a yang teng, e bile jaanong o mo fa dikotlhao tsa bo P5000.

Golo moo go a gatelela.


Ke ne ka ya go buisana le Tona wa Botsogo, beke e e fetileng ke mo raya ke re, a re leke go balance botsogo, trade, diplomacy le Southern African Development Community (SADC) protocol on COVID-19.

Dilo tse tsotlhe di tshwanetse di balance Mr Speaker, gore re re re dira botsogo jo bo lolameng.

Ga re ka ke ra tla ka selo se se tlaabong se kgoreletsa sengwe le sengwe.
Ke ba tlhaloseditse gore, the reason why ba sa bone batho kwa melelwaneng, ba ba ba busang, ba ngadile, ga ba fete kwa melelwaneng ya rona, ba feta ka fa thoko, ba feta kwa Beitbridge, side ya Namibia le South African borders.

So dilo tse re ba di tlhaloseditse.

Ke ipotsa gore a ga ba tlhaloganye.

A ga ba utlwe le dilelo tse?

Re tshwanetse gore re dirise metlhale e mengwe e e ka balance jaaka PCR test, go bona gore go ka nna jang.

Le mo Batswaneng, ga ba a tshwanela to impose jalo.
Kwa bofelelong Mr Speaker, jaaka Modulasetilo wa Komiti ya Botsogo, ke tsaya nako e gore ke rotloetse batho gore ba tseye mokento wa booster, ba tseye mekento ka fa ba botsogo ba laolang ka teng.

Re mo seemong se e leng gore mafatshe a mangwe jaaka o bona a ntsha restriction mo go bone jaana, ba setse ba tsamaile through the test ya intervention ya mokento, jaaka ba ne ba tsena mo marigeng a bone, ba a tswa mo marigeng jaana.
Le rona re tshwanetse re nne podimatseba jaaka re tsena mo term ya rona ya mariga.

Ke yone fa re yang go supafala gore se re se dirileng ka mokento, a se a bereka kgotsa nnyaa.

Re tlaabo re lebile thata gone foo.

E tlaare fa re tswa mo marigeng a, ke gone go tlaabong go ka itlhalosa gore a re ka tswa ra reduce restrictions jaaka re ntse jaana.

Mme ke ngongorega thata ka gore Tona o kare o baya Batswana ka fa mosing, o ba koba mo lefatsheng la bone fa e le gore ga ba batle go kenta.
Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Fa o ne o gakolola jaana kwa caucus ya lona, go ka bo go sena dipotso tse.

MR LELATISITSWE: Thank you so much Mr Speaker.

Ke tsaya gore le wena o le motsamaisi wa kgang e, o a utlwa gore Modulasetilo wa Komiti ya Botsogo, o dumalana le rona e bile o digela ka mafoko a matona.

Mafoko a a neng a a bua ao, ke mafoko a matona, mme ke gakolole Honourable Motsamai ka dikgang tsa botsogo.
Fa botsogo bo diragala, go nna le sort of emergency, ga go na nako ya go tsamaya mo o re o dira consultations.

Go tshwana fela le Motsamai, fa o ka tla kwa sepateleng, gongwe koloi yone ya ditlhogo tse pedi e go digile, ga re consult batho ba ba kwa Kgalagadi gore re batla to operate you, nnyaa, we operate you.

We do not do any consultation ka gore fa re ka ema re re re ya to consult, o ya go tlhokafala.

Jaanong re tshwara bolwetse nako e santse e le teng.
Ke sone se o bonang Public Health Act e re letlelela.

Jaanong ke ne ke re dikgang tseo, ke di leboge fela thata, wena o le... MR MOTSAMAI: Point of order Mr Speaker.

MR LELATISITSWE: Ke ratile mafoko a gago thata a gore Batswana ba rotloetsege e bile ba se ka ba tsiediwa ke sepe.

Batswana ba a kenta, Batswana ga go na ope yo o ...(Interruptions)… mme go na le mathata a gore ...(Interruptions)…kana o a reng.
Ke tsaya gore go na le penalties kana tsotlhe tse di lebaganeng le kgang yone e, mme dikgang tsotlhe di a lebelelwa ka bongwe ka bongwe, jaaka batho ba tsena gone kwa jaana.

Ke dikgang tse di lebelelwang, kwa morago, di tseelwe tshwetso, mme fela se setona ke gore the umbrella of this thing, ke go leka to protect Batswana.

Jaanong ke dumela gore mafoko a matona, ke one a a builweng ke Rre Tshere, ke go leboge rra.
Ke tsaya gore ya court order e e neng e buiwa ke Rre Keorapetse, ke re nnyaa, ga go na mathata, court order ke court order fela e teng, e ka dirwa.

Mongwe le mongwe o na le right ya gore a ye kwa a yang teng, fa 24 Hansard No 205Thursday 24th February, 2022QUESTION WITHOUT NOTICE e le gore gongwe o a ngongorega.

Se ga se reye gore jaanong re expose Batswana ka ntata ya court order ya motho yo mongwefela.

Wena go and celebrate that court order.


We know ...(Interruptions)…wena just go there and celebrate your court order, rona mme ra re ...(Interruptions)… tsa Batswana.

Thank you.

HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… MR SPEAKER: Honourable Motsamai!

MR MOTSAMAI: Mr Speaker, o ntetleletse, ke ne ke re kgalemela ngwana wa gago.

E se ka ya re a bua le nna ke le Mopalamente, a bo a bua ka dithoto tsa me.
E bile a mpua bosula jwa gore koloi e fa e ka ntiga ya ntshugatshuga, fa ke tsena kwa ga go na nako ya to consult.

O nkeleleletsa dilo tse di maswe Mr Speaker.

Ka ke motho yo o ratang go tshameka e le mmotlana, ke mo itsise fela gore nnyaa, ga ke ne ke wa ka koloi, o tlaa tsamaya fela a ya kwa a yang teng a ntlogela gone fa.

Ke tlaa ya phitlhong ya gagwe.

Ke a leboga.

HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Laughter!

)… HONOURABLE MEMBER: Le ene o na le koloi ya ditlhogo tse pedi.
DR GOBOTSWANG: Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

Honourable Minister, rona re kentilwe, e bile re rotloetsa batho gore ba kentiwe, ba tseye booster.

Kgang e e re lebaganyeng fa, ke e e leng gore it is at the core ya economy ya Botswana; tourism and trade.

So, ga se kgang e le ka e tsayang motlhofo fela jalo and medicalise jaaka o batla go dira.

Potso ya me ke gore le le lephata le, a la re maikaelelo a lona ke gore le robe Molaomotheo, le melao ya lefatshe le, in order to protect Batswana?
A ke yone thulaganyo e le e tsereng?

Ke batla re e tseele mo coordination ya SADC re le region gore tota re bereka jang?

Ga ke itse gore a Honourable Minister o a lemoga gore mafatshe a mantsi a Africa a re dirisanang le one, mokento wa bone o kwa tlase?

Go kenta batho ga bone go santse go le kwa tlase mo e leng gore ba kgona go tsena kwa Kazungula le fa e le gangwefela ba ise ba bone mokento wa ntlha.
Ke batla go itse gore motho fa a tla ka truck a na le PCR e le negative, mme a ise a kentiwe le fa e le gore gangwefela, wa re le dira jang ka motho yo o ntseng jalo?

Sengwe se o tshwanetseng o se tlhamaletse ke gore wa reng?

A wa re le pateletsa batho go kentiwa mo Botswana?

Fa e le gore le pateletsa batho go kentiwa, le thotlhelediwa ke molao ofe o o le fang dithata tsa go dira jalo?
Fa e le gore le ka fitlhela ba bangwe Batswana ba sa kentiwa kana ba gana go kentiwa, a le setse le na le dikotlhao tse le tlaabong le ba otlhaa ka tsone Honourable Minister?

Ke a leboga.

MR LELATISITSWE: Thank you so much Dr Gobotswang.

Ga re pateletse batho go kenta mo Botswana.

Re pateletsa batho go kenta ba ba tsenang kwa melelwaneng ba sa kenta kana ba sa tsaya booster.

E bile we have availed the vaccines koo gore ba kente ka mabaka a ke a buileng lantlha.
As the Ministry, we have engaged ba Tourism, Ministry of Investment, Trade and Industry le Business Botswana go bona the negative impacts of these instructions at the border.

Go bona gore a go ya kwa pele, go na le sepe se re ka se lebelelang.

Fa re ne re tsamaya le bolwetse jo mmogo, re ka bo re gakologelwa.

Ke ne ke le kwa Maun ke na le Martin Kays ba emetse the tourism sector, go simolola mo Kasane go tsena mo Maun.
Ba tla kwa go nna ba re, Minister, re kopa le kente batho ba rona, bojanala bo a phutlhama.

Botlhe ba ba tlang mo lefatsheng le, ba re ga ba ka ke ba ya kwa mafelong a a sa kentiwang.

Jaanong ke makala letsatsi leno Mopalamente yo o tswang kwa mafelong ao, re ne re le mmogo, a lwa a re, “re thusane gore batho ba bojanala ba kentiwe ka gore people are cancelling the bookings,” jaanong go fetogile.

Ga ke itse gore go fetogile fa kae.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: O araba efe potso e ke e boditseng?
MR LELATISITSWE: Ya gago ke tsaya gore ke e arabile.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: O e tshwere sentle Lelatisitswe.

(MR LEADER OF THE OPPOSITION SALESHANDO): On a point of order.

Mr Speaker, the Standing Orders tsa re go itebaganngwe le kgang e e beilweng.

Kgang e re e beileng fa ga se e Tona a buang ka yone.

Ga re bue ka kgang ya gore a go se ka ga kentiwa batho.

Ra re, a re fetogela tsamaiso e e neng Tautona a e tlhalosetsa lefatshe ya gore mo Botswana molao ga o letle gore o kentiwe o sa batle?
Kgang ke yone eo.

Fa e le gore molao ga o letle jaaka Tautona a tlhalositse gore it would offend the Constitutional fundamental rights tsa Batswana, fa e le gore go fetogetswe, Minister o tshwanetse a bue gore bagaetsho, Tautona o ne a bua phoso.

O dirile phoso, o ne a sa gakololwa sentle.

Re le Puso ya Domkrag, re simolola kwa melelwaneng, fa re 25 Hansard No 205Thursday 24th February, 2022QUESTION WITHOUT NOTICE tswa kwa re tsena kwa dikoleng.
Batsadi ba itse nako e le teng gore o tlaabo o kentiwa o pateletswa.

Bana ba sa botswe gore a motsadi o a dumela.

Kgang e gone foo.

Ga e kwa go reng a fa o batla, o kentiwe.

Ke kopa o laele Tona a itebaganye le kgang ya compulsory vaccination.

E a e buang a re ke fetogetse kgang kwa Maun ya bojanala gore batho ba kentiwe, ga se ya letsatsi la gompieno.

A itebaganye le kgang e e fa pele ga Palamente.

MR LELATISITSWE: Thank you so much.


Kgang e ke e rata thata Mr Speaker ka gore e ya gore ruta thata re le bantsi go tswa fa.

Re tshwanetse re gakologelwe gore Public Health Act; fa go nang le public health threat, it overrides the Constitution.

Ke gone mo e leng gore jaaka gompieno re bua mongwe… HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ao Modimo wa tshwaro, Health Act!

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Point of order.


DR GOBOTSWANG: Mr Speaker, ke ka tswa ke se motho wa molao mme fa Tona a bua gore Public Health Act e gatelela Molaomotheo wa Botswana, I have a serious problem with that.

Ga ke itse legale Counsel wa Palamente o ka re gakolola mo go yone.

Ke na le problem… MR LELATISITSWE: Your individual rights are in the Constitution.

Mr Speaker le ene is a lawyer.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Wa re, Public Health Act supersedes the Constitution.

That is what you said.


MR LELATISITSWE: Your individual rights are enshrined in the Constitution, gakere?

Are they not in the Constitution?

MR SPEAKER: Honourable Minister, instead of dealing with supplementary questions as they come up, we seem to go far from the issue.

If you confine yourself to the supplementary questions, ga nke bagalona ba tsosa modumo because you will be answering what you have been asked.

MR LELATISITSWE: Thank you so much Mr Speaker.

Dipotso re di arabile.


HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ga a ise arabe dipotso tsa me Mr Speaker.

MR SPEAKER: That is what I was urging him to do.

MR LELATISITSWE: Potso ya ga Gobotswang e motlhofo Mr Speaker, ke mo reetse ka re Section 80 of the Public Health Act empowers the Minister to impose that mandatory vaccination.
He can go and read that; Section 80 of the Public Health… HONOURABLE MEMBER: Motho a tswa kwa mafatsheng a mangwe a na le PCR, a sena mokento le fa e le o mongwefela, wa re o dira jang ka motho wa mofuta o o ntseng jalo, a tsena kwa Kazungula?

MR LELATISITSWE: Ke rile motho wa go nna jalo, re na le mekento, re a mo test re bo re mo offer free of charge at the border.

A bo a kentiwa a bo a tsena mo lefatsheng la Botswana.

DR GOBOTSWANG: A se fully vaccinated?


MR LELATISITSWE: Ee, gakere re mo simolola gone foo, re a mo kenta.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Tsala ya me o latlhegile, se mmoletse dipotso kwa teng o tloga a… MR LELATISITSWE: Just ask questions, gakere le batla go tlhaloganya?

MR BROOKS: Supplementary.

Thank you Mr Speaker.

Thank you Minister ka dikarabo tse o ntseng o di fa.
Gongwe just a quick one re tle re kgone go tlhaloganya, I think dingwe tsa tsone ke tse di tserweng ke Honourable Tshere jaaka ke le mo Komiting ya gagwe ya Botsogo.

Ke batla go tlhaloganya protocols tse dingwe tse di diragalang at the border le molao o mošha o o sa tswang go tsena mo tirisong.

Are you saying motho fa a tla a tsere mekento ka bobedi but a sa tsaya booster shot, ga a letlelelwe gore a tsene le mororo a na le a negative PCR test e e within 72 hours?

Ke yone e ke neng ke re ke e botse.


Ya bobedi ke gore ka jaana re le Botswana re le in business with other countries, especially looking at the SADC protocols, le rerisanya jang le le ba Health gore Batswana fa ba ya South Africa, this is what you have in place gore go tsamaya ga bone go tle go nne motlhofo?

Ke ne ke utlwa o bua gore ba ba mo difofaneng ga le na seemo se se kalo ka bone ka gore already kwa mafatsheng a bone ba dirile gotlhe mo go le kgotsofatsang.
Are you only talking about difofane tse di kotamang (land) mo Botswana di tswa kwa mafatshe a a kgakala ba ya bo South Africa or so?

I am saying this Minister just to give you a clarity on it.
Batswana ba le mmalwanyana ba bositswe at the border ba re ba ya kwa Kgalagadi Transfrontier Park (KTP), ba bangwe ba ya …(Inaudible)… Maabane, this past week, ba busiwa kwa Pioneer kana Bokspits, ba tsere mekento ka bobedi but just because ga ba a tsaya booster shots, go raya gore ga ba letlelelwe mme ba na le PCR e e 26 Hansard No 205Thursday 24th February, 2022QUESTION WITHOUT NOTICE supang gore ba negative.

Ra reng ka batho ba ba ntseng jalo mongwame?


Bear in mind gore ga re na mabala a difofane for direct landing go tswa kwa mafatsheng, segolo jang batho ba ba under tourism sector ba tla for activities tse ba batlang go di diragatsa mo kgaolong ya Kgalagadi.

Thank you sir.

MR LELATISITSWE: Thank you so much Honourable Brooks.

The questions that you said, that would be a gross mistake fa e le gore go na le batho ba ba busitsweng ka mabaka a gore gatwe ga ba a tsaya booster shots.
We offer that booster shot right at the border, only if it is due.

Ke go neele sekai, gongwe ke gone o tsayang second dose ya gago ya Pfizer, your booster dose go raya gore e ya go tla six months down the line.

Then you get into the border, you do not need a PCR, you just walk in and get into Botswana.

Fa e le gore motho o busitswe gore ga a tsaya booster dose, moo e tlaabo e le mathata a bana ba rona.

Ke tsaya gore Batswana ba reeditse gore go tsamaya ka tsela e e ntseng jang.
MR BROOKS: Minister o ntse o le gone foo, o a tsibogela jang?

Remember I forwarded something to you ka issue e e diragetseng eo.

Le a tsibogela jang mathata ao because a teng?

MR LELATISITSWE: Re ne re ile to all these borders le gompieno jaana ke tsaya gore Tona Dikoloti fa o bona a seyo fa, monnga lephatha le, o kwa melelwaneng ya bo Ramokgwebana.
Maloba ke ne ke ile Martins’ Drift, bangwe ba bagolwane ba ofisi ya rona ba ne ba tsamaetse kwa Pioneer and Tlokweng e le go ya go bona ka gore melao e e ne e le mešha, we are bound to have mistakes there and there kana interpretation.

E ne e le go leka to iron dilo tseo mme mo bogompienong, seemo se tsamaya fela sentle ka thelelo.

Le bone maSouth Africa ka bobone fa o tsena kwa border ka kwa, ke ne ke le kwa South Africa ba bua gore a o kentile, o na le PCR, a o fetela ka kwa, kana o ya kwa Botswana.
MR SPEAKER: Honourable Brooks, are you covered?

MR BROOKS: Mr Speaker, thank you.

I am not covered, partly cloudy.

Ke tlaa mmotsa kwa bothokong.

Ga ke wele sentle gotlhelele, I am not happy.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ga se partly cloudy, ke lefifi.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Go mosarasarane.

MR MMOLOTSI: Supplementary.

Thank you Mr Speaker.


Tota ke ne ke re gongwe Tona a ntlhatswetse kgang ya gore ba ba mo Botswana mme e le gore ga ba ise ba tseye booster shot, a tlhalose gore a go na le nako e e leng gore Motswana mongwe le mongwe ba ya go mo patika go e tsaya?

Like yo mongwe a kile a botsa kgantele, kana go raya gore ba ba tswang kwa ntle ke bone ba e leng gore ba a patikesega.
Kgang e ke batlang gore a e tlhatswe mongwe le mongwe a e utlwe ke gore a re tlaa goroga mo nakong e e leng gore Motswana mongwe le mongwe o ya go patikiwa, le yo e leng gore ga a tswela kwa ntle o mo Botswana fela?

MR LELATISITSWE: Thank you so much Mr Speaker.

Ga re ise re goroge to impose mandatory vaccination within our borders ka kwano.
Se re neng re se dira, re ne re impose kwa go leka go tshwara bolwetse jo bo kwa ntle gore go se ka ga nna le variants tse di šha tse di ka tsenang mo lefatsheng le la rona.

Ga re ise re goroge mo kgannyeng e e tshwanang le eo ya to impose mokento within our borders sir.

MR SPEAKER: I think we have done justice to the Question without Notice.

Le ka nna la e tsaya ka fa bothokong.

MR LELATISITSWE: Re ka nna ra e tsaya ka fa bothokong.

MR LEUWE: Procedure.

Thank you Mr Speaker.


Ke santse ke kaletse fela ka potso ya me.

Ke dumela gore sengwe se ka bo se buiwa ke bolelelwa gore seemo sa yone ke eng ka gore ga gona le fa e le gope fa go kileng ga buiwa sepe ka yone teng.

Tse dingwe di botoka re ne re utlwa gore gatwe go laetswe gore di sutelediwe kwa pele but with my questions, ga gona sepe se go builweng ka tsone.

Ke re gongwe go ka fa tsamaisong gore ke itsisiwe gore seemo sa potso ya me ke eng.

Thank you Mr Speaker.


HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ke efe potso ya teng?

MR SPEAKER: Honourable Leuwe’s Question is Number 3 asking the Minister of Youth Empowerment, Sport and Culture Development.
I have noticed here that none of the Ministers are available as opposed to the other ones where someone said they have been asked by Honourable Billy to later date, because there has been no such request ...(Interruptions)… automatically …(Inaudible)… means if it goes to tomorrow, but the chances are fa e le gore ba ile Kasane kwa borogong, gongwe ba tlaabo ba seyo gape.

The best person to ask is Vice President (VP), ke ene a okametseng Ministers.
I have never seen two Ministers all gone, no information to Parliament, it is strange.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Rakgare o teng.

27 Hansard No 205Thursday 24th February, 2022QUESTION WITHOUT NOTICE HONOURABLE MEMBER: Go tlaa re o ba kgalemele Mr Speaker.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Mr Speaker, a ke ka tlhalosa gore go diragetse eng?

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ba rutwa ke Molale.

MR LEUWE: Ke a leboga Mr Speaker, ke solofela gore kamoso ba tlaabo ba le teng.

MR SPEAKER: Ee, o ka tlhalosa.


OF MINISTER ASSISTANT YOUTH EMPOWERMENT, SPORT AND CULTURE DEVELOPMENT (MR BILLY): I will be available tomorrow to answer.

Fa Palamente e tsena, ke ne ke land kwa airport, so I could not arrange to respond to the question, but kamoso gone ke tlaa e araba.

MR SPEAKER: Honourable Leuwe, Honourable Billy says he came in a bit late and he will be ready to answer tomorrow.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ya ga Balopi, is it later dated as well?
HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Murmurs)… MR SPEAKER: Honourable Balopi…(Inaudible)…his request, probably way ago, that he will not be in today and tomorrow.

He will ask his questions next week.

MOTION ADJOURNMENT LEADER OF THE HOUSE (MR TSOGWANE): Thank you Mr Speaker.

Jaaka o kopile Mr Speaker gore o kare re buile dikgang tsa letsatsi leno, di wetse.

Jaanong gongwe Ntlo e e ye kwa boitapolosong, le nna ke ba kopa jalo Mr Speaker on your behalf.

Question put and agreed to.
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