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THE SECOND MEETING OF THE THIRD SESSION OF THE TWELFTH PARLIAMENT FRIDAY 01 APRIL 2022 MIXED VERSION HANSARD NO: 205 THE NATIONAL ASSEMBLY SPEAKER The Hon.

Phandu T. C. Skelemani PH, MP.

DEPUTY SPEAKER Hon.

P. P. P. Moatlhodi, MP.

(Tonota) Clerk of the National Assembly Deputy Clerk of the National Assembly Acting Learned Parliamentary Counsel Assistant Clerk (E) His Excellency Dr M. E. K. Masisi, MP.

His Honour S. Tsogwane, MP.


(Boteti West) CABINET - President - Vice President - Ms B. N. Dithapo - Mr L. T. Gaolaolwe - Advocate L. O. Tlhowe - Mr R. Josiah Hon.

K. N. S. Morwaeng, MP.

(Molepolole South) - Minister for Presidential Affairs, Governance and Public Administration Hon.

K. T. Mmusi, MP.

(Gabane-Mmankgodi) - Minister of Defence, Justice and Security Hon.

Dr L. Kwape, MP.

(Kanye South) - Minister of International Affairs and Cooperation Hon.

K. K. Autlwetse, MP.


(Specially Elected) - Minister of Local Government and Rural Development Hon.

K. S. Gare, MP.

(Moshupa-Manyana) - Minister of Agricultural Development and Food Security Hon.

P. K. Kereng, MP.

(Specially Elected) - Minister of Environment, Natural Resources Conservation and Tourism Hon.

Dr E. G. Dikoloti MP.

(Mmathethe-Molapowabojang) - Minister of Health and Wellness Hon.

T.M.

Segokgo, MP.

(Tlokweng) - Minister of Transport and Communications Hon.

K. Mzwinila, MP.
K. Mzwinila, MP.

(Specially Elected) - Minister of Land Management, Water and Sanitation Services Hon.

T. M. Rakgare, MP.

(Mogoditshane) - Minister of Youth Empowerment, Sport and Culture Development Hon.

A. M. Mokgethi, MP.

(Gaborone Bonnington North) - Minister of Nationality, Immigration and Gender Affairs Hon.

P. O. Serame, MP.

(Specially Elected) - Minister of Finance and Economic Development Hon.

F. M. M. Molao, MP.

(Shashe West) - Minister of Basic Education Hon.

Dr D. Letsholathebe, MP.


(Tati East) Hon.

L. M. Moagi, MP.

(Ramotswa) - Minister of Tertiary Education, Research, Science and Technology - Minister of Mineral Resources, Green Technology and Energy Security Hon.

M. Kgafela, MP.

(Mochudi West) - Minister of Investment, Trade and Industry Hon.

M. R. Shamukuni, MP.

(Chobe) - Minister of Employment, Labour Productivity and Skills Development Hon.

E. M. Molale, MP.

(Goodhope-Mabule) - Minister of Infrastructure and Housing Development Hon.
D. M. Mthimkhulu, MP.

(Gaborone South) - Assistant Minister, Presidential Affairs, Governance and Public Administration Hon.

S. N. Modukanele, MP.

(Lerala -Maunatlala) Hon.

T. Monnakgotla, MP.

(Kgalagadi North) Hon.

M. M. Pule, MP.

(Mochudi East) Hon.

M. S. Molebatsi, MP.


(Mmadinare) - Assistant Minister, Local Government and Rural Development - Assistant Minister, Local Government and Rural Development - Assistant Minister, Local Government and Rural Development - Assistant Minister, Agricultural Development and Food Security Hon.

S. Lelatisitswe, MP.

(Boteti East) - Assistant Minister, Health and Wellness Hon.

N. W. T. Makwinja, MP.

(Lentsweletau-Mmopane) - Assistant Minister, Basic Education Hon.

B. Manake, MP.
B. Manake, MP.

(Specially Elected) - Assistant Minister, Investment, Trade and Industry Hon.

H. B. Billy, MP.

(Francistown East) Hon.

A. Lesaso, MP.

(Shoshong) - Assistant Minister, Youth Empowerment, Sport and Culture Development - Assistant Minister,Tertiary Education, Research, Science and Technology MEMBERS OF PARLIAMENT AND THEIR CONSTITUENCIES Names Constituency Hon.

L. Kablay, MP.

(Government Whip) Letlhakeng-Lephephe RULING PARTY (Botswana Democratic Party) Hon.

Dr U. Dow, MP.

Hon.


P. Majaga, MP.

Hon.

M. Balopi, MP.

Hon.

J. S. Brooks, MP.

Hon.

C. Greeff, MP.

Hon.

T. Letsholo, MP.

Hon.

T. F. Leuwe, MP.

Hon.

T. Mangwegape-Healy, MP.

Hon.

Dr T. Matsheka, MP.

Hon.

S. N. Moabi, MP.

Hon.

P. K. Motaosane, MP.

Hon.

O. Regoeng, MP.

Hon.

J. L. Thiite, MP.


Specially Elected Nata-Gweta Gaborone North Kgalagadi South Gaborone Bonnington South Kanye North Takatokwane Gaborone Central Lobatse Tati West Thamaga-Kumakwane Molepolole North Ghanzi North OPPOSITION (Umbrella for Democratic Change) Hon.

D. Saleshando, MP.

(Leader of the Opposition) Hon.

M. G. J. Motsamai, MP.


(Opposition Whip) Maun West Ghanzi South Selebi Phikwe West Mahalapye East Sefhare-Ramokgonami Ngami Okavango Maun East Bobonong Selebi Phikwe East Palapye Nkange Mahalapye West Francistown West Hon.

D. L. Keorapetse, MP.

Hon.

Y. Boko, MP.

Hon.

Dr K. Gobotswang, MP.

Hon.

C. K. Hikuama, MP.

Hon.

K. K. Kapinga, MP Hon.

G. Kekgonegile, MP.

Hon.

T. B. Lucas, MP.

Hon.

K. Nkawana, MP.

Hon.

O. Ramogapi, MP.

Hon.

Dr N. Tshabang, MP.

Hon.

D. Tshere, MP.

Hon.


M. I. Moswaane, MP.

Hon.

T. S. Khama, MP.

Hon.

L. Lesedi, MP.

Hon.

B. Mathoothe, MP.

Hon.

M. Reatile, MP.

(Botswana Patriotic Front) Serowe West Serowe South Serowe North Jwaneng-Mabutsane Hon.

W. B. Mmolotsi, MP.
Francistown South (Alliance for Progressives) TABLE OF CONTENTS THE SECOND MEETING OF THE THIRD SESSION OF THE TWELFTH PARLIAMENT FRIDAY 1ST APRIL, 2022 CONTENTS PAGE (S) MINISTERS’ QUESTION TIME........................................................................................................................1-9 STATEMENT Update on the State of Drugs and Medical Supplies in Health Facilities............................................................10-18 MOTION FOR THE ADJOURNMENT - DEFINITE MATTER OF URGENT PUBLIC IMPORTANCE Allocation of Tourism Sites at Chobe..................................................................................................................19-34 Friday 1st April, 2022 THE ASSEMBLY met at 9:00 a.m. (THE SPEAKER in the Chair) P R A Y E R S * * * * MINISTERS’ QUESTION TIME MINISTER OF MINERAL RESOURCES, GREEN TECHNOLOGY AND ENERGY SECURITY THEME: THE TAKING OVER OF MOWANA MINE IN DUKWI BY MP MINING SERVICES/ KOPANO MINING Asked the Minister of Mineral Resources, Green Technology and Energy Security to brief this Honourable House on the takeover of Mowana Mine by Kopano Mining; in particular: (i) whether all creditors were paid as promised; (ii) if the mine will operate underground and its life span; (iii) whether previous companies who operated the mine owed any other creditors and if all the settlements have been made to these companies; and (iv) if the mine will extract only copper or there are other minerals to be mined as well.
MR P. MAJAGA (NATA-GWETA): Ke a go dumedisa Motlotlegi Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente.

Ke dumedise Batlotlegi Mapalamente le Batswana.

Potso ya ntlha Tona, ke batla gore e re o araba potso e, o leke go tsenelela o tlhalosetsa Batswana, especially ba kgaolo ele le ba bangwe fela ba ba kileng ba dirisana le kompone e ya Mowana, ka le wena o kile wa nna motho koo.
O tlhalose, ka gore ba mine ba tlhalosa fa bone sengwe le sengwe ba se dirile to take over from the old Mowana Mine to the new MP Mining Kopano, ba duetse sengwe le sengwe and all the creditors ba e neng e le batswasetlhabelo.

Ka gore kgang e e nnile thata mo unions, ya ya kwa courts nako ele batho ba ntse ba ipuelela gore go lebega ba sa tshwara sentle, mine o tsamaile ka dikatso tsa bone, overtime pays le sengwe le sengwe sa go nna jalo.
Ba bangwe were providing some services, bangwe ba ne ba na le buses, ke itse mme yo mongwe o bidiwa Pinkie Jele o mo Dukwi.

Ke e fa e le sekai.

Ba ne ba ntse ba ngongorega thata gore go ne go ntse go duelwa bangwe, bangwe ga a ba duelwa.

Ba mine le nna tota ke kile ka kopana le bone ba tlhalosa gore, they have settled almost everything se se neng se tlhokafala.
E re ke ba leboga jalo, fa go le boammaaruri ka o tlaa tla ka tsone, gongwe gape o fete ka letshwenyego le le neng le le teng mo metseng ele ya bo Lepashe, Kutamogoree, Dukwi le Mosetse, ke a bona gore go na le sengwe se se dirwang.

Ba re o kare mine o ga o sa tlhola o dira jaaka wa pele, o o neng o itse metse e yotlhe fa go na le sengwe sa ditekodiso.
Eo o fete ka yone rraetsho, ka o kile wa nna motho rra, gongwe ba ka tswa ba sa itse gore Kutamogoree le Lepashe le bone ba a etelwa, go nne le diphuthego ka gore ba mo tikologong, fa go dirwa tiro ya go nna jalo, segolo jang ka batho ba Kutamogoree le Lepashe ba a bo ba lebeletse gore ba ka bona ditiro foo.

Ke bo ke wela ka gore, mine o go lebega ba kile ba nna le gore ba tlaa dira underground, e e tlaabong e tswa gone fale e ya go tsena kwa Matsitama.
Gongwe o tlhalosetse Batswana le Ntlo gore, a mme the future is bright jaaka go kile ga buiwa.

Kana this investor fa a tla, o tla ka la gagwe, yo le ene fa a tla, o tla ka la gagwe.

A go santse go tlaa nna jalo, Batswana mo lefatsheng la Botswana ba solofele gore go tlaa le kgolo ya mine wa Mowana o o kwa Dukwi/Mosetse?

Ke tsone tse nna le Batswana re batlang gore o re di tlhalosetse.
Le bone ba utlwe gore tsotlhe di dirilwe tse Goromente a neng a re di ka dirwa, le molao o letla gore di ka dirwa, gore the new investors, ba bo ba ka nna le tshiamelo ya go tsamaisa moepo wa Dukwi.

Ke a leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente.

MINISTER OF MINERAL RESOURCES, GREEN TECHNOLOGY AND ENERGY SECURITY (MR MOAGI): Ke a leboga Mr Speaker, and good morning.

Ke dumedise Ntlo le Batswana ka kakaretso.


Ntetle Mr Speaker, ke ye le potso e ka Sejatlhapi mme e re kwa bofelong, ke sobokenyana, ka gore go na le tsele le tsele tse di ka timetsang fa motho a ka re o di susumetsa ka Setswana.

Ke tlaa neela tshoboko kwa bofelong ka Setswana.

Mr Speaker, Mowana Mine near Dukwi Village in the Central District started operations under African Copper Plc in 2007.
Following the merger of African Copper Plc and Zambian Copper Investment (ZCI), the mine was restructured to Messina Copper Botswana (MCB).

1 Hansard No 205Friday 1st April, 2022MINISTERS’ QUESTION TIME Being a marginal operation, MCB was not spared by the dip in metal prices that was experienced in 2008.

Thereafter the company had difficulties in maintaining a positive financial strength.

MCB was liquidated through a court order granted on 15 December 2015.
The Liquidator entered into a Liquidation Asset Sale Agreement with Leboam Holdings (Pty) Ltd, a Botswana registered company, in terms of which the Mowana Mining licences form part of the assets of the then defunct MCB.

Leboam Holdings entered into a conditional funding commitment with some possible financiers, however, the company encountered operational challenges that hindered the company from keeping afloat of its financial obligations.
The company was placed under Judicial Management in December 2018, so that business can be restructured and re-established as a going concern.

Mowana Mine remained in care and maintenance for the duration of the Judicial Management, until it was removed in May 2021 to allow for preparatory works to commence, following a scheme of compromise effected by the High Court in November 2021.

Max Power Mining was contracted to mine at Mowana Mine through the Compromise Scheme.
Mowana Mine has changed the business name from Mowana to Kopano Mine, however, the mining licence remains unchanged under Leboam Holdings (Pty) Ltd.

The change of name does not affect anything in operations or structure of the company as it was just for re-branding purposes.

The scheme of compromise (pursuant to Part XV and XVI of the Companies Act of Botswana) is intended to compromise the company’s obligations with respect to the creditors with a view of restoring the company to solvency.
This will in turn trigger the cancellation of the Judicial Management Order, and the company will be returned to the hands of the shareholders.

In terms of the scheme of compromise there are three classes of creditors: (1) Trade Creditors - Claims of Trade Creditors that were proven, were to be settled by means of a minimum payment of P250,000.00 for each Trade Creditor, and thereafter 25 per cent of the value of a proven claim for all amounts in excess of P250,000.00.
The balance of 75 per cent of the value of a Trade Creditors’ claim was to be extinguished and written off.

(2) Secured Creditor - The proven claim of a Secured Creditor would be deemed to be senior secured debt, and to be repaid on a fixed term basis over a 12-month period commencing 24 months from the date that the scheme was sanctioned by the High Court.

This debt was to be subordinated.


(3) Acquired Claims - These were proven claims that were acquired by the proponent of the scheme and which were to be converted into preference shares on the date that the scheme was sanctioned by the High Court.
(a) Further terms of the scheme were that: • The employees who were terminated on or before 18th December, 2018, Botswana Unified Revenue Service (BURS) or Government of Botswana were classified as “Preferent Creditors” for purposes of the scheme and were due to be paid in full, by the Scheme Administrator, based on agreed claims if and when the creditors affected by the scheme were paid.
BURS had two claims one for outstanding Pay As You Earn (PAYE) and one for outstanding Value Added Tax (VAT) as of 18th December, 2018.

• Those creditors who were owed less than P250,000 as of the 18th December, 2018, so called “De Minimis Creditors”, were also to be paid in full, by the Scheme Administrator, based on agreed claims if and when the creditors affected by the scheme were paid.
In response Mr Speaker; (i) All agreed claims of creditors, that were due to be paid by the appointed Scheme Administrator in accordance with the terms of the scheme of compromise, following the approval by the High Court have been paid with the exception of BURS.

Payment to BURS still awaits the outcome of an appeal to the Honourable Minister of Finance and Economic Development that was submitted by Leboam Holdings in respect of the claim.
Payment shall be settled as soon as the Honourable Minister has made a determination.

Former employees of Mowana Mine who were terminated on or before 18 December, 2018 were considered as preferent creditors under the scheme and were all paid their dues (P17 million).

There are five former employees of Leboam Holdings who have since come forward post the scheme, claiming they should have been classified as Preferent Creditors.
It is however understood that these employees were 2 Hansard No 205Friday 1st April, 2022MINISTERS’ QUESTION TIME transferred to another company that had assumed the liability for their terminal benefits and therefore were not included as Preferent Creditors in the scheme.

The matter is still being investigated, in consultation with the affected parties, but does not affect the scheme process.
(ii) The current mining plan is for open cast extraction for the oxide ores, however, long term access to deeper sulphide ores are envisaged for underground extraction.

(iii) Creditors who were not part of the scheme of compromise are still to be paid their dues as part of the liquidation process through the Distribution and Liquidation Account.

The account will be filed on the 7th of April, 2022 and the first notice will appear in the Government Gazette of the 8th April, 2022.
The notice shall remain open for inspection for two weeks after which the final distribution will be done and all creditors paid.

(iv) The mine will extract copper and associated minerals (traces of platinum group metals and some gold).

I would just highlight few points there that, gone mme ka fa go buegang ka teng, thulaganyo e dirilwe mo moepong o o neng o sa dire sentle ka mabaka ale le ale a itsholelo, le ka fa ba neng ba tsamaisa ka teng.
Se se tona ke gore, go ne ga kgaoganngwa ba ba kolotiwang ka ditshetlana tse di ntseng di balololwa ka Sekgoa, go na le ba ba neng ba dira ditogamaano le mine le ba ba neng ba kolotiwa madi a a kana ka P250 000.

Go supafala gore ba ne ba ka a neelwa, ape a a neng a feta foo, go ne go na le ka fa ba dumalaneng gore ba tlaa duelana ka teng.

Otherwise a mangwe were written off.


Go nnile le ba ba neng ba adimile mine madi, mme go na le thulaganyo ya gore ba tlaa duelwa mo nakong e e rileng ka thulaganyo e e ntseng jalo.

Go raya gore bao ke ba madi a a kwa godimo a a tlhokang go duelwa mo nakong e e rileng.

Fa re tsena kwa babereking, go supafala gore babereki botlhe ba ba neng ba le teng pele ga di 18 tsa ga December, 2018, ba amanngwa le ba BURS le Goromente, e ne e le ba go neng gotwe ke ba ba kolotiwang ba konokono.
Bontsi jwa bone ba kgonne go duelwa.

Ba BURS ke bone ba ba neng ba saletse kwa morago ka gore go ne go na le ikopelo mo komponeng ya Leboam gore ba ka fokolediwa kana ba ka itela.

Tuelo eo ya BURS ke yone e neng e saletse kwa morago ka gore ba ne ba santse ba emetse phetolo go tswa kwa go Tona wa Madi.

Go supafala gape gore babereki ba Mowana who were terminated ka di 18th December, ba duetswe madi a a ka tshwarang P17 million.
Go ne go na le ba batlhano ba ba neng ba ngongorega, ba tlhalosediwa gore le ne la tsewa la isiwa kwa komponeng e nngwe e e neng e dira fa go ya liquidation jalo.

Kgang eo e santse e nnetswe le babereki ba batlhano bao gore e tle e rarabololwe.

Ke dumela gore batho ba ba kolotiwang bao go tewa le ba dibase jaaka o ne o bua, le ba ba neng ba tlisa ditirelo tse dingwe.
Fa e le gore go santse go na le mongwe yo o iseng a bone ditshwanelo tsa gagwe, ke dumela gore dikgoro di butswe gore o ka ya go itela a tle a thusiwe.

Ba tlaa tswelela ba ntse ba epa mo godimo ga lefatshe mo gotweng open cast extraction ka gore ba santse ba tsaya mmu o o nnang le kopore wa oxides.

E tlaare fa ba tsaya mmu wa kopore wa sulphides, ke gone ba bo ba lebile gore ba o tseye ba le ka fa tlase ga lefatshe.
Ba bangwe ba ba neng ba kolotiwa mme ba ise ba duelwe, go na le thulaganyo e nngwe ya go ba duela, ka Sekgoa ba re ke Distribution and Liquidation Account.

Thulaganyo ya teng ke gone e tlaabong e tla mo kgweding e re e simololang ya gompieno.

E tlaa supiwa mo lekwalong la ga Goromente la Gazette, botlhe ba bangwe bao.

Fa e le gore gongwe ga o bone leina la gago, mme o dumela gore o ka bo o le mo teng, ke nako ya gore fa Gazette eo e tswa, o bo o itela wa tla wa thusiwa.
Mine o tlaa tswelela o epa kopore jaaka e le wa kopore.

Kopore gantsi e a bo e tlhagoga e na le ditswammung tse dingwe jaaka silver, gold, cobalt e ka nna teng, le tse dingwe tsa platinum group metals.

Ke sone se e leng gore e tlaare sengwe le sengwe se tswa foo, se bonale gore se tsenngwe mo kamoreng ya sone le gore se tlaa neelwa boleng jang fa se sena go ntshiwa.

Ke ne ke re ke soboke ka tsela e e ntseng jalo.

Ke go leboge Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente.


MR MAJAGA: Ke a leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente.

Ke go leboge Tona.

O lekile go araba kgang ya gore e ne e le botsamaisi le itsholelo, ga se itsholelo fela e e neng e dirile mathata ao.
Kana moepo fa o simologa jaaka o ne o balolola dikompone tse di neng di o simolodisa kana di na le seabe; bo Messina Copper Botswana, Mowana, Zambian Copper Investment (ZCI) le bo Leboam, mongwe o ka botsa gore jaanong Leboam ka ke yone e neng e na le mathata a mantis, gone fa e santse e dira eng fa ke utlwa gotwe licence e santse e le mo go yone?
Monna yo o tswang kwa lefatsheng la Finland wa MP Mining o tlhalositse fa ba na le madi a bone ba sa batle go kopanela sepe le ope jaaka previously 3 Hansard No 205Friday 1st April, 2022MINISTERS’ QUESTION TIME whereby these companies e ne e kete it is a game ya go ja madi fela, go tla yo a fetola leina, a hira babereki a dira jalo.

Leboam e santse e batla eng ka gore jaanong e tlaa tloga e gogela mine o to the old situation e e neng e sa tsamaise mine sentle?
E nngwe ka o re dikgoro di butswe rraetsho, le ba ba sa kolotiwang, ke solofela gore re a utlwa go tlaa ya teng, re tlaa bolelela ba bo Lephashe le Kutamogoree gore ba ikatumetse.

Ke a leboga.

MR MOAGI: Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

Ke supe jaana gore kana licence e ne e le mo Leboam Holdings.
Jaanong mongwe le mongwe wa moreki kana yo o batlang go thusa jaaka go na le bo Max Power Mining, o tshwanetse gore a tsenelele dipuisanyo tseo ba bo ba dumalana gore ba neelana eng, ga ba neelane eng ka tsela e e ntseng jang.

Ke na le tumelo ya gore dipuisanyo tsa bone golo gongwe di ile pele thata ka gore ke foo ba tsweletse ba Max Power Mining ka gore ba simolotse jaanong ba tlhabolola gone kwa moepong koo.
Go supa gore ba simolola go epa le go tlhatswa ka tsela e e leng gore bone ba bona e ka ba berekela.

Ka jalo, go tlaabo go le mo goreng fela ba fetole licences koo fa ba sena go nna ba dumalana tse ba di dumalaneng.

Rona re eletsa fela gore moepo o tswelele o bereke, Batswana ba hirwe mme ba neelwe tse di ba tshwanetseng ka tsela e e ntseng jalo.

Ke thulaganyo e e tshotsweng ke ba High Court under the Judicial management.
Tota re tlaabo re lebile mo go bone gore ba re thuse ba wetse ka tsela ka tsela e e ntseng jalo.

Ke bo ke supa gore ee rra, ba bo Lephashe ba ke ba ratang thata, bo Kutamogoree botlhe ba a letlelesega gore ba tsamaele kwa moepong.

Kana bangwe ba bereketse meepo eo, bangwe le fa ba sa di berekela, le bone ba ka ya go tsena ba iteka lesego.

Ba bangwe ba tlaa se ke ba bereke mo moepong mme ba ka isa ditirelo koo jaaka e le gore go na le ditirelo tse dintsi tse di tlhokafalang kwa moepong.
Le metlakase re tlaa e suteletsa kwa mafelong a a ntseng jalo.

Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

MR SPEAKER (MR SKELEMANI): Thank you Honourable Minister.

I think Honourable Majaga is satisfied.

MR MAJAGA: Yes, sir.

MR SPEAKER: Let us move on to the next question.


MINISTER OF BASIC EDUCATION THEME: TEACHING OF MOTHER TONGUE LANGUAGES IN BOTSWANA SCHOOLS Asked the Minister of Basic Education that since the Botswana Government recognised the existence of mother tongue languages and agreed that they should be taught in public schools, to update this Honourable House on the state and progress made towards its commencement so far.

MR K. C. HIKUAMA (NGAMI): Ke a leboga Honourable Speaker.

Dumelang Honourable Members.


Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, mma ke botse Tona wa Thuto.

Go kile ga nna le kitsiso mo setšhabeng le lefatshe ka kakaretso gore le lephata la gagwe le Puso ya Botswana ba simolodisa dithuto tsa diteme tse di farologaneng kana tsa merafe e e farologaneng mo lefatsheng la Botswana mo dikoleng.
Diteme tse ba neng ba re ba simolola ka tsone ba ne ba re di 11 ka fa a neng a tlhalosa ka teng mo Palamenteng e. Ke re ke latedise potso e ka gore e ne ya tla ka monyenyo batho ba e itumeletse.

Tlhaloso e e ne ya itumelelwa ke setšhaba ka kakaretso, bogolo jang bone ba ba neng ba ntse diteme tsa bone di sa letlelelwe kana di sa rutwe mo dikoleng.
Jaanong ba letile, gongwe go ka nna mosola mo go bone go tlhalosetswa go itse gore ba tsamaile go le kae mo go netefatseng gore dipuo tsone tse ba di buileng tse di simolotse di a rutwa?

Ba ipaakantse go le kae in terms the recruitment of teachers gore ba ba setseng ba bonwe ke ba diteme dife e bile di setse di rutwa kwa dikoleng dife?

A mme teaching materials di available, a di simolotse di a dira?

Le sepe fela se se ka tswang se setse se kgoreletsa go netefatsa gore diteme tse di a rutwa.
Ke re gongwe fa Tona a ka tlhalosa ka bophara gore ba tsamaile sekgele se se kae mo go netefatseng gore diteme tse di a rutwa e bile ke dikole dife tse di simolotseng go di ruta le gore barutabana ba bone ba le kae mo ditemeng tse di farologaneng?

Ke a ka leboga fela thata.

Ke a leboga Honourable Speaker.

(MR MINISTER OF BASIC EDUCATION MOLAO): Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, ke a go leboga.

Ke leboge le Rre Hikuama.


Ke simolole pele ke tlhalose se Mr Speaker; gore fela jaaka e rile ka 2019 re le party e e busang re kopa tlhopho mo Batswaneng, se ke nngwe ya ditshetlana tse re neng ra di tsenya mo thulaganyong ya rona ya ipapatso gore e tlaa re mo sebakeng se re se filweng, re tlaa dira gore re lemoge re bo re bone gore diteme tse di buiwang tse di farologaneng mo lefatsheng la Botswana di gorosiwa kwa dikoleng kana mo thutong.
Re mo mosepeleng one o Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente tsa Palamente.

Ke ne ka tlhalosa mo Palamenteng e mo lebakeng le le fetileng.

Se ke batlang go se gatelela ke gore kana re 4 Hansard No 205Friday 1st April, 2022MINISTERS’ QUESTION TIME dirile moalo wa gore re simolola ka tsela e e ntseng jang.

Tshimololo ya rona e re tshwanetseng gore Batswana ba e utlwe ka tlhamalalo, e e leng gore le sebaka se se fetileng fa ke dira statement mo Palamenteng e ke ne ka e bua ka e gatelela.
Le kwa Dikgotleng le jaaka re ne re ntse re tsamaya re buisa Dikgotla meetings mme ke ne ka e bua ka e gatelela gore moalo wa rona o ya go tsamaya ka tsela e, gore legato la ntlha, phase 1 re ya go neela bana thuto ka these languages, ka Sekgoa mo gotweng medium of instruction.
Ke yone e e yang go nna legato la ntlha gore re ya go ruta bana ba dithuto tse di kwa tlase tsa pre-school, Standard 1, Standard 2 re ba ruta dithuto tse di rutiwang mo dikoleng tsa bone, re dirisa diteme tsa bo mmaabone kana mo go tlwaelesegileng gotwe mother tongue kgotsa re kare local language e e a bong e buiwa mo lefelong lone leo.

Re tshwanetse ra dira pharologanyo gore medium of instruction le go ruta language ke dilo tse di bapileng tse di sa tshwaneng.
Legato lantlha e ya go nna gore dithuto tsotlhe tse di mo curriculum kana moalo wa thuto, re tlaabo re ba ruta bana ba preprimary, Standard 1, Standard 2 ka teme e ba e amuleng kwa letseleng, mme re sa rute teme eo as a standalone subject jaaka Setswana le Sekgoa di rutiwa.

Eo e tlaabo e le legato la ntlha.


Ke se re tshwanetseng gore re se tlhalose, se papamale gore batho ba se tlhaloganye gore e tlaa re morago fa re tsena jaanong kwa legatong le le latelang la bobedi, e le gore jaanong thulaganyo e setse e itshetletse mo dikoleng tsa rona, a bo e le gone re ka reng kwa legatong la bobedi, ra dira mo gotweng to introduce tsone diteme tse as subjects on their own.
Ke gatelela selo se gore Batswana kwa gae ba tlhaloganye gore pharologanyo ke eng le Mapalamente ba tlhaloganye gore pharologanyo ke eng e e leng gore re tswa koo re ntse re e gatelela le fa e le gore potso ya mokaulengwe e kete le yone e tlogela ntlha e. Jaanong ke batla go e gatelela jalo gore re itse gore legato la ntlha, re tlaabo re ruta ka teme eo, re e dirisa go ruta dithuto tse di teng gale mo moalong wa thuto, re sa rute teme eo ele a standalone subject.
Moo go tlaa tla morago e le legato la bobedi kana phase two fa jaanong thulaganyo e sena go nna e itshetlela.
Ke ne ka tlhalosa jaana pele, gape ke tle ke gatelele Mr Speaker gore, e rile maloba ka di three tsa ga March gone mo Palamenteng e fa ke kopa madi a lephata la me, ke ne ka tlhalosa selo se gape, fela jaaka ke ntse ke tlhalosa gore, kana re simolotse re batla baitseanape ba dithuto tsa diteme kwa University ya Botswana gore ba re thuse go dira moalo o. E ne ya re fa ba sena go nna ba dira ditlhotlhomiso tsa bone, ba lebelela diteme tse di teng tse di fitlhelwang mo lefatsheng la Botswana ka bophara, ba bo ba di sekaseka ba bona tse di setseng di na le mekwalo e e tsepameng, e ka Sekgoa re ka reng orthography, e go itsegeng gore puo e e kwalwa jaana, e bile e buiwa jaana, ke bontsi jwa batho ba ba fitlhelwang mo lefelong le le rileng.
Ba dira moalo ba o tlisa kwa go rona.

Ra tsaya moalo o, kana draft policy, re le lephata ra e isa kwa Khuduthamageng ya ga Tautona go ya go kopa gore a jaanong re ka tsaya moalo o ra ya kwa Batswaneng.

Ra ya go dira dipuisanyo le bone, go tlhomamisa gore se baitseanape ba se boneng a ke sone.

A go na le dingwe tse di saletseng kwa morago.

A mme Batswana kwa ba ntseng teng ba ba buang diteme tse di farologaneng tse, a se ke se ba eletsang gore se diragadiwe.
Khuduthamaga e ne ya re fa tetla, ya go ya go dira dipuisanyo kana consultations.

E ne ya re morago foo ka tla mo Palamenteng ka dira statement gore re letleletswe go ya go dira dipuisanyo tse le Batswana kwa gae kwa ba nnang teng.

Mme dipuisanyo tse di ne tsa tswelela Mr Speaker.


Ra tsamaya lefatshe le la Botswana ka bophara, mme ka e ne e le nako e mogare wa COVID o ne o ntse o gaketse, go na le fa re neng ra ema teng re kgorelediwa ke go emisiwa ga metsamao, kana lockdown e e neng ya dirwa ngwaga o o neng o feta ka dinako tsa bo August.
E ne e le gore re dirile lenaneo la go tsamaya le Dikgotla, mme ra nna kgwedi yotlhe go sena dithulaganyo tsa Dikgotla meetings le bokopano, le batho ka gore metsamao e ne e emisitswe go santse go lwantshiwa kanamo ya COVID-19.

Sone seo, se ne sa kgoreletsa lenaneo la rona.

Selo se ke a se tlhalosa ke se gatelela, mme ke setse ke kile ka se tlhalosa gape gone mo Palamenteng e, ke se gatelela gore golo mo go ne ga ama thulaganyo ya lenaneo la rona jaaka re ne re le dirile gole pele.
E rile morago ga metsamao e bulelwa Mr Speaker, re ne ra ya go tsweledisa, lekoko la tsamaya la ya go tsweledisa fa ba neng ba eme teng.

Ba ne ba dira jalo, ba tsamaya metse le dikgaolo tse di farologanyeng, kwa e leng gore diteme tse di buegang thata teng ga se Setswana.
Mme e seng koo fela, ba dikologa lefatshe lotlhe le kwa tota teme e e buiwang e le teme ya ntlha ke Setswana ba dira jalo, teng mo mafelong a a mo borwa jwa lefatshe le, ra buisa Dikhansele tsotlhe tsa lefatshe le, le ope monale seabe fela yo o neng a na le tšhesego ya gore le ene o ka nna le la gagwe.

Dilo tse di ne tsa dirwa tsa wela.

Mme ba boa lekoko leo ba tla ba nna fa fatshe, ba phutha megopolo ya gore batho ba reng kwa ba ileng teng.
Ke tlhalose gore dikgaolo le Dikhansele tsotlhe ba ne ba atla mogopolo o, gore ke o montle, o re tshwanetseng ra o tsweledisa.

Ga mmogo le ba Ntlo ya Dikgosi re ne ra ba fa morero o, 5 Hansard No 205Friday 1st April, 2022MINISTERS’ QUESTION TIME e le nna ka sebele ke ile go bua nabo, ba atla mogopolo o gore re tswelele ka one.

E rile fa lekoko le le boa ba tla ba soboka megopolo gore ba tsamaile jang, ba boa ba tlisa report ya bone.
Go bo go tshwanela gore jaanong ka tsamaiso ya Puso re tlhotlhe report e ya bone, re bo jaanong re e busetsa gape kwa Khuduthamageng ya ga Tautona go ya go supa gore jaaka le ne le dumalane gore re ye go dira ditlhotlhomiso, re buisanye le batho, ba re tswang go buisanya le bone lefatshe la Botswana ka bophara.
Re ne ra dira jalo ra ya kwa Khuduthamageng ya ga Tautona ra isa mo re reng Cabinet Memo, go ya go buisanya le Khuduthamaga, gore ditshwetso di tle di tsewe tsa gore re tswelela pele ka tsela e e ntseng jang.

Ka bolesego Khuduthamaga e ne ya re letla mo ngwageng o gore e amogela pego jaaka e ne e tla, gore ke yone tsela e re dumelang gore e tshwanetse ya salwa morago.

La ntlha diteme tse di neng di tlhotlhilwe ga bonwa gore di setse di ipaakantse, di ne di le lesome le motso (11).
Mme e rile fa ba ntse ba tsamaya ba tlhotlhomisa, ga fitlhelwa e le gore jaanong di gola go tswa kwa go lesome le motso go ya kwa go lesome le metso e le meraro (13) e le gore ke diteme tse di setseng di tlhotlhilwe di na le mekwalo e e ka dirisiwang.
Sone seo jaanong fa re boela kwa Khuduthamageng re ne re setse gompieno re bua ka diteme di le lesome le metso e le meraro, tse e leng gore diteme tse, ke Seyei, Thimbukushu, Ikalanga, Sekgalagadi, re bo re bua ka sign language, ke e tlhalose ka gore bangwe ga ba tlhaloganye gore ke teme ka bo yone, le Chiikuhane kana Sesubiya bangwe ba ka rialo, IsiNdebele, ChiShona, Naro, OtjiHerero/OtjiMbanderu, Afrikaans, Nama and Khwedam, ke tsone tse re tlaabong re simolodisa ka tsone, ka di setse di tlhotlhilwe, di na le mekwalo e e tlhomamisitseng gore go ka rutiwa go dirisiwa diteme tseo.
Jaaka ke sa tswa go bua diteme tse dingwe di teng di le mmalwa, tse di iseng di nne le orthography jaaka e ntse.
Mme Puso e e itlamile gore go ya ka fa go ka kgonegang ka teng, ba ba setseng ba na le diteme mme ba sa tlhotlha mekwalo ya tsone e e netameng ya gore go ka rutiwa ka tsone, maphata a a farologaneng a amanang le diteme ba ka bona gore batho bao ka thusiwa ka tsela e ntseng jang gore ba tswelele ba tlhabolola diteme tsa bone gore, fa di sena go nna go nna di tlhabologile di na le mekwalo, gongwe le tsone jaanong di ka tsenngwa mo goreng go rutiwe go dirisiwa diteme tseo Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente.
E rile fa Khuduthamaga e re letla jaana mo bogompienong gore re ka tswelela, e bo e le gore thulaganyo ya moalo o gore re ka simolola jang, Khuduthamaga e ne ya re letla gore ngwaga o re o dirise go dira tsotlhe tsa dipaakanyo, go ne go bona gore mekwalo e e teng, e a ntsifadiwa.

Go bona gore barutabana ke bafe ba fa kae, ba ba ka yang go simolodisa tiro e, le tsotlhe fela tsa di paakanyo, re di dirise mo ngwageng o go ipaakanya.
E bo e le gore tshimolodiso ya go ruta ka diteme tse e tlaare ngwaga o o tlang wa sekole ka January e bo e le gore jaanong re simolola go ruta ka diteme tse.

Gongwe ke tlhalose fa Mr Speaker, gore kana mo nakong ya gompieno, mo mafelong a a farologanyeng, a e leng gore teme ya ntlha ga se Setswana, re na le batho ba re ntseng re ba thapile ba re ba bitsang bo teacher aids, ba ba ntseng ba thusana le barutabana ba rona ka go farologana.
Fa morutabana a ruta bana ba sa tlhaloganye, go bo go na le mongwe fa yo o ranolelang bana ba gore se morutabana a se buang ka teme ya rona ya mo gae, o raya jaana.

Ke selo se se ntseng se tsweletse mo dikoleng tsa rona ka go farologana kwa metseng e teme ya ntlha e seng Setswana.
Re dira se e le ka kutlwisiso ya gore dipatlisiso tsotlhe tse di ntseng di dirwa, le fa o lebeletse Revised National Policy on Education (RNPE), e ne ya tlhalosa selo se e le nngwe ya tse di ka thusang go tokafatsa thuto ya bana fa ba santse ba fatlhoga.

Research tse di farologaneng le Lenaneo la rona la Education and Training Sector Strategic Plan (ETSSP), le lone le tlhalositse jalo.
Le supa ka ditlhotlhomiso gore fa bana ba rutiwa ka teme e ba e amuleng kwa letseleng kante e ba e buang letsatsi le letsatsi fa ba le kwa lelwapeng, ba kgona go tlhaloganya se ba se rutiwang ka bofefo go na le fa ba ithuta dithuto tse ba di newang, ba bo ba ithuta le puo ka nako e le nngwefela; selo seo se dia ka fa ba tshwarang dithuto tsa bone ka bofefo ka teng.
Jaanong Mr Speaker, boleele le bokhutshwane jwa mafoko ke jwa gore re ya go simolola go ruta ka diteme tse ka tlhomamo go simolola ka January ngwaga o o tlang fa dikole di simologa.

Ngwaga o wa gompieno kgang e tlaabo e le go rutuntsha barutabana ba re yang go simolola ka bone.

Ke go bona gore mekwalo e go dirwang ka yone e a ntsifadiwa, e nna teng gore e re ka January fa re simolola mo ngwageng o o latelang, e bo go sena sepe se se tlhaelang.

Ke gone fa re teng mo nakong ya gompieno.


Thutuntsho kante training ya barutabana ba le go lebelela dikole tse go ka simololwang ka tsone e setse e ntse e tsweletse jaaka re le mo nakong ya gompieno.

Re setse re na le dikole di le mmalwa tse re setseng re di lebile gore re ka ya go simolola mo go tsone.
Gape mme re tlaabo re gatelela, ke wetsa Mr Speaker, gore kana mo nakong ya gompieno re na le barutabana 6 Hansard No 205Friday 1st April, 2022MINISTERS’ QUESTION TIME ba e leng gore ka Sekgoa re ka re they are native speakers tsa diteme tse di farologaneng.
Tshimolodiso le thutuntsho e, bokete jwa yone bo ya go remelela gape le mo barutabaneng ba e leng gore they are already native speakers tsa diteme tse di farologaneng tse go tlhofofatsa gore tiro e tle e simologe e se bokete mo go bone ka gore ke diteme tse ba di tlhaloganyang, ba di itse, ba di bua, tse ba di tshelang letsatsi le letsatsi.
Se se leng teng e tlaabo e le jaanong go ba rutuntsha ka gore kana thutuntsho ya morutabana kwa sekoleng gale, o rutiwa gore o ka itse le go ranola puo le fa e ka bo e se e a e buang.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ga se gore re go botse Minister?

MR MOLAO: O itlhaganeletse eng?

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ga o mo workshop, nte re go botse.

MR MOLAO: Ga ke bue le lona fela, ke bua le Batswana kwa gae.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: ...(Inaudible)... MR MOLAO: Ga ba go akele ba re o filwe dipolase.
HONOURABLE MEMBERS: ...(Murmurs)... MR MOLAO: Kgang ke yone e re e buang fa ya gore jaaka ke bua, re ya go remelela mo go gone gore barutabana ba e leng gore some of them are native speakers, e bo ba ka rutuntshiwa go ya go simolodisa tiro e. Jaaka ke ne ke bua, ke ne ke wetsa ka go supa gore thutuntsho ya barutabana fa ba le kwa dikoleng, ba a rutiwa ka bophara jwa go dirisa teme kante diteme tse di farologaneng fa ba ruta bana ba bone for purposes of understanding ya ka fa bana ba amogelang thuto ka teng.
Jaanong ke sone se ke neng ke ala moalo o ka gore mmotsi wa potso o ne a botsa gore re ipaakantse go le kana kang.

Jaanong ke tshwanelwa ke go tlhalosa ka bophara gore re ipaakantse jang mo nakong ya gompieno, le Batswana kwa gae ba tle ba kgone go tlhaloganya gore re tsamaya fa kae mo thulaganyong e re tlaabong re e simolodisa ka boammaaruri January ngwaga o o latelang.

Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

MR HIKUAMA: Ke a leboga Honourable Speaker, ke a leboga Tona.
Ke leboge pele lantlha gore Puso e bo e setse jaanong e amogetse kgang e e duleng ya gore fa dipuo di ka rutwa, re tlaabo re tsisa Rwanda mo Botswana.

So ke selo se re se lebogelang gore le bo le amogetse, le atlile kgang e. Jaanong potso ya me ke gore kana o ne o solofeditse gore ka ngwaga wa 2021 January, le tlaa simolola go isa dipuo tse kwa dikoleng, kwa bathong.

La bua gape la ipoeletsa gore ka January 2022, le tlaa isa dipuo tse kwa bathong.
Le ne le bua le ntse le re January 2021, January 2022, gompieno o bua January 2023.

A mme Batswana ba tshephe le go dumela gore 2023 wa gompieno ke wa boammaaruri, ga a tshwane le ditsholofetso tse o neng o di neela mo dingwageng tse di fetileng tse pedi?

Ke potso ya ntlha.

Ya bobedi kgang ya lona ya go isa dipuo ya second phase, e ya go simolola leng sentlentle?

Gakere wa re first phase ke go rutuntsha dithuto tse di ntseng di le teng, second phase ke to introduce go ruta tsone subjects tseo.
Fa o lebile, second phase e ya go simologa leng?

Ke a leboga.

MR MOLAO: Mr Speaker, nte ke simolole fela ka go supa gore Puso e sa le e amogetse gore diteme di ka dirisiwa go ruta le go rutiwa mo dikoleng bogologolo.

Fela jaaka ke ne ke supile gore RNPE ya 1994 e e neng lekoko le ntshitswe ke Puso e e teng e ya Botswana Democratic Party (BDP), e ne ya amogela selo se e le nngwe ya recommendations tse di neng di dirilwe.
Jaanong ga ke itse gore e ya bo Rwanda e tswa kwa kae, ke diteme fela tsa dipepere ka gore mo RNPE Puso fa e ne e sa dumele, e ka bo e sa le e rile mo ga se mo go letlelesegang, e bo e tlogela.

Lenaneo la ETSSP le gape le ntseng le dirwa le eteletswe pele ke yone Puso e ya BDP, le amogetse gore thulaganyo e e botlhokwa mo thutong ya bana ba Batswana, gammogo le go bopaganya setšhaba.
Ka 2019 jaana ke sa tswa go bua Mr Speaker, re ne ra kwala mo maitlamong a rona gore re ya go simolodisa thulaganyo e, ga gona gope fa re kileng ra bua ka bo Rwanda ba Mopalamente a buang ka ga bone.

Jaaka ke bua, kgang e kana ke rile sengwe le sengwe se na le fa se simologelang teng.
Legato lantlha ke go ruta ka teme, e tlaa re fa seemo se setse jaanong se itshetletse re lemoga gore jaanong bana le yone system ka bophara jwa yone is now stable, re tlaa tsena kwa legatong la bobedi la gore jaanong diteme tse di rutiwe as subject on their own.

Ke lenaneo le le teng mo ETSSP jaaka re fetola moalo wa thuto ka thulaganyo e re e bitsang re re ya General Education Curriculum and Assessment Framework (GECAF).
Jaanong ga ke ka ke ka segela ngwana thari a ise a tsholwe ke re ngwaga o o tlang re tlaabo jaanong re simolodisa standalone subjects.

Ke buile fela ke ikutlwa, ke tlhamaletse gore re simolola fa re leng teng 7 Hansard No 205Friday 1st April, 2022MINISTERS’ QUESTION TIME ka go ruta ka diteme tse pele.

Fa di sena go itshetlela, re bona gore seemo se siame, re tlaa boa re simolodisa go oketsa, jaanong re tsenya diteme tse dingwe.
Mo nakong ya gompieno, ga ke ka ke ka baya letsatsi la gore e tlaa re ngwaga o o tlang, kana ngwaga morago ga o o tlang, re bo re tsenya a standalone subject in our primary school curriculum.

Fela ke moalo o o teng wa first phase, second phase e tlaa re fa re setse re le gaufi le foo, re tlaa boa re tla re tlhalosa gore jaanong re tsena kwa legatong la bobedi.

Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

MR KEKGONEGILE: Tanki Mr Speaker, mma re dumedise Batlotlegi, re dumedise setšhaba ka kakaretso.
Tona o simolotse a bua ka ditsholofetso tsa bone tsa manifesto wa 2019.

75 per cent ya tsone Batswana ba santse ba di lebeletse, le yone e Batswana ba santse ba e lebeletse, o tlhalosa gone go palelwa ga bone.

Motho o ka mmotsa gore, naare gone mme fa o ne o dira announcement ya 2021, o dira ya 2022, ke eng o ne o re Puso e tlaabo e simolola go ruta diteme tse di farologanyeng kwa dikoleng mme le ise le ipaakanye gore le ka dira announcement e e ntseng jalo?
A tsamaiso ga se gore le bo le ipaakantse pele, e re fa o sena go wela, ya bo e le gone o dirang announcements gore nnyaa re wetse, jaanong re tsamaya fa?

Kana botoka tsamaiso, ga se gore e kare o tsamaya halfway mo go ipaakanyeng, e bo e le gone o begang, rather than o bega o solofetsa batho fela se o itseng gore ga o ka ke wa se kgona?

Ya bobedi potso ke gore, gone mme mo Stage 1 ke eng le dira gore standalone subjects tsa diteme tse, se se ka sa nna teng mme le ruta courses tse dingwe ka diteme tse?
A tshwanelo ga se gore botoka le ka bo le simolotse ka standalone subject gore kwa morago ke gone go bo go simolodisiwa go rutiwa courses tse dingwe ka diteme tse dingwe, given gore language o tshwanelwa ke go e tlhaloganya go tsenelela ga yone pele ga o ka e dirisa?

A mme lona ga le dire dilo upside down, le e dirisa pele ga bana ba e tlhaloganya?

Tanki Mr Speaker.

MR MOLAO: Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.


Ke gore mo thutong ka bokhutshwane, gompieno fa re leng teng, thuto ya Sekgoa as a subject mo dikoleng, ga e rutiwe bana ba le kwa pre-primary, Standard 1, le kwa Standard 2.

Ba rutiwa as a medium of instruction pele e bo e le gore subject e simololwa morago, ke gone ka fa moalo wa thuto o tsamayang ka teng.

Le sone Setswana tota, ga o simolole fela o se rutiwa as a subject o santse o le kwa pre-primary, Standard 1, Standard 2.
O rutiwa pele thuto e o e fiwang ka Setswana, morago e bo e le gone o fiwang Setswana as a standalone subject, ke gone ka fa moalo wa thuto o tsamayang ka teng.

Jaanong ga re farologane gope, re sala morago yone tsamaiso e ya language development le go e ruta mo dikoleng.

E tsamaisiwa fela jalo mokaulengwe gore o tle o tlhaloganye ka fa thuto e dirwang ka teng.

E ya 75 per cent of manifesto, ke tsaya gore e ne e le manatetshapuo fela, ke ka diya sebaka ke e araba.

Ke weditse Mr Speaker.


DR TSHABANG: Thank you Mr Speaker.

O buile ka teacher aids tse di ntseng di le teng Honourable Minister, ke batla go itse gore a mme bone mo lenaneong la lona la go ipaakanya, ga se gore le ba develop gore e nne teachers ba ba feletseng a tsone languages tsone tseo respectively?

Sa bobedi Minister, mme kana ka fa le dirang ka teng, o kile wa tla ka statement gone mo Palamente o bega, setšhaba sa tlhaloganya gore le ready le go ka simolola ka 2022 January.
Setšhaba se bona January 2022 a feta, ba botsa gore ke eng go sa simololwe.

A bo o nna sebaka o sa tle ka statement wa tla wa tlhalosa.

Ke eng e sa re mo dinakong fa e le gore go na le mathata a go simolola, wa tla fela go sena dipotso go tlhalosetsa setšhaba gore re tsamaya fa kae?
Ka fa go ntseng ka teng, go baka ketsaetsego, o kare le tshameka ka ditlhaloganyo tsa Batswana, le dira gore ba nne le tsholofelo mme go nna le disappointment year after year jaaka Hikuama a ne a bua gore kana la re 2020, 2021, 2022, 2023.

Ke lebogile Mr Speaker.

MR MOLAO: Mr Speaker, ga ke itse fa ketsaetsego e tlaabong e tswa teng.

Ke dirile statement mo Palamenteng e consciously re bua gore Khuduthamaga e re letleletse go ya go dira consultations le Batswana.
Ke ne ka bua mo Palamenteng e gore go ya go dirwa consultations le Batswana gore a mme re tsweledise thulaganyo e re batlang go e simolola.

Consultations di ne tsa simolodisiwa, ga tsamaiwa metse le dikgalo tse di farologanyeng, le dikhansele, banaleseabe botlhe, go dirwa consultations, batho ba ntsha megopolo ya bone.
Ga ke tlhaloganye fa ketsaetsego e tlaa bong e tswa teng fa batho ba ne ba le kwa Kgotleng ya Maitengwe, Gudigwa kana ba le kwa dikhanseleng ba re kana re eletsa go dira jaana, lona la reng, e bo e le gore batho ba ka etsaetsega gore la re le simolola leng.

Ga ke dumele fa go na le ketsaetsego gope.

Tota fa e le teng, e tlaabo e le gore fa gongwe e rotloediwa ke rona re le boeteledipele.

Re tshwanetse go tlhalosetsa batho se se leng nnete.
Ka di 25 tsa ga February 2021… 8 Hansard No 205Friday 1st April, 2022MINISTERS’ QUESTION TIME DR TSHABANG: Minister o ntshitse… MR MOLAO: Iketle pele Never… MR SPEAKER: Honourable Members, we must remember that we have overrun the time for questions.

If you keep on interrupting, you may not be answered.
MR MOLAO: Ke yone e ke e tlhalosang Mr Speaker, gore ka di 25 tsa ga February 2021, Mothusa Tautona e ne ya re a araba potso mo Palamenteng yone e, e boditswe gape ke ene Rre Hikuama, o ne a tlhalosa, ke nopole ka bofetshwana fa o ntetla.

Gore, “as part of preparatory work on development of this policy, consultations with some communities where some of these languages are spoken, have been undertaken.
These communities include areas covering Kgalagadi South, Kgalagadi North, Ghanzi South, Ghanzi North, North East, Chobe, Tutume, Ngami and Kweneng areas.

Further consultations with other stakeholders would be embarked upon to enrich the draft policy prior to consideration by Cabinet during the 2021/22 financial year.” Ke tsaya gore e ne e tlhamaletse, e supa gore we are still at consultation process.
Ke tlhalositse fa ke ala gore morago ga consultation e e neng e dirwa e sena go nna e wela, re tsere tshoboko ya se se neng se buiwa ra boela kwa Khuduthamageng, mme Khuduthamaga e re letlile mo go one ngwaga o re leng mo go one o, ka kgwedi ya March gore jaanong le ka tswelela ka thulaganyo ya go simolola go ruta ka diteme tse di farologanyeng tse di setseng di siametse go ka dirisiwa.
Ke tlhalositse gore jaanong re dira dipaakanyo tsotlhe gore early January, ngwaga wa sekole fa o simologa, e bo e le gore re a di simolodisa mo dikoleng tsa rona ka go farologana.

Batsadi kwa gae ba tshwanetse gore ba tlhaloganye gore this is nothing else but the truth and they must trust in the Government of the day to deliver on this noble initiative.

Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

MR MAJAGA: Thank you Mr Speaker, just a quick one.


Go a utlwala ka fa le dirang paakanyo ka teng, e le selo se sentle se Batswana ba sa bolong go se emela.

Jaaka le tsweletse jaana as a ministry, are you liaising le ba bangwe kwa dikgaolong.

Kana kwa dikgaolong tse dingwe o fitlhela go sena networks, gongwe le fa re bua jaana, ga ba re utlwe jaaka gone kwa bo Hikuama, kwa Sepako le Manxotai.

Le dira jang, kana golo mo ba go letletse tota?


Gape le le lephata, batho ba tletse mo ministry wa gago ba ba tshwanetseng gore ba bo ba dira tiro e e ntseng jaana gone kwa, liaising tota gore go utlwalesege gore go a simolola.

E se ka ya re kamoso tiro e ntle e e ntseng jaana, gongwe e bo e salela kwa morago.

Ya bofelo ke tlaa botsa gape, le fa ke itse gore e kile ya bodiwa nako ele.
We are going to use the readily available infrastructure, being dikole tsa rona, in terms of teaching cadres le bone le ntse le tsweletse ka go ba ruta se Afrikaans, OtjiMbanderu, Seshona, Sekakala jalojalo kana le tsweletse jang?

Ke a leboga.

MR MOLAO: Ke a leboga.


Kana re rile ba re simololelang fa godimo ga bone, ke ba ka Sekgoa re ka reng native speakers tsa diteme tse di farologanyeng, tse ba ka tlhago ba bua yone Afrikaans, OtjiMbanderu, Sesubiya le Ikalanga jalojalo ba e leng gore ke barutabana gale.

Bontsi jwa bone, ke ba ba rutuntshiwang gore ba ye go simolola tiro e. Kgantele, gongwe e bile ke tle ke e akaretse le ya ga Rre Never ya gore the teacher aides re ya to develop go nna barutabana jang.
Nnyaa, teacher aides, ba ba nang le dithuto tse di tlhomamisitsweng or qualification ya go nna barutabana, kana ba tlaa sala tsamaiso morago ya go thapa barutabana.

Mo mafelong a a farologanyeng, teacher aides tsa rona, ba bangwe ke batsadi mo motseng, ba re ba tsayang ba bo ba tsena mo classes, ba bapa le barutabana ba ba rutetsweng tiro, ba bo ba ranolela bana se se buiwang.
Jaanong those who are already qualified teachers, mme e le gore gongwe ba ntse ba sa hirwa, ba ntse ba dira e le teacher aides, le bone ba tlaa sala morago tsamaiso ya khiro, e bo e le gore ba ka nna barutabana ba diteme tse.

Communication go ya kwa bathong; se se botlhokwa honourable, e ne e le gore Khuduthamaga e wetse tiro ya yone, e ntshe thebolo ya gore jaanong tswelelang, e bo e ka nna gone re ka simololang ka bokete go ya kwa bathong, gore re fano re a simolodisa.
Fela jaaka Khuduthamaga e setse e tsere tshwetso e re letile, re dirile le timeline ya January 2023, re tlaabo re simolodisa dipuisanyo le batho kwa dikoleng tse di farologanyeng, go itsise setšhaba gore re a simolola.

Training of trainers and all those di setse di ntse di tsweletse le gone go lebelela gore barutabana ba ba teng, ba fa kae ba re tlhokang to transfer them, ba ye kwa dikoleng tse di farologanyeng jalojalo.
Ke tiro e re setseng re simolotse, re bereka mo go yone, mme re dumela gore by January 2023, e tlaabo e wetse.

Jaaka ke buile ke gatelele gore communication e e fa godingwana e tlaa 9 Hansard No 205Friday 1st April, 2022MINISTERS’ QUESTION TIME simologa jaanong jaaka Khuduthamaga e setse e wetse through our regional offices kwa dikgaolong tsa rona tse di farologanyeng and even through headquarters.

Ke a leboga.
Ke a leboga.

STATEMENT UPDATE ON THE STATE OF DRUGS AND MEDICAL SUPPLIES IN HEALTH FACILITIES MINISTER OF HEALTH AND WELLNESS (DR DIKOLOTI): Nte ke go leboge Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, ke dumedise Mapalamente mo tsatsing le la Labotlhano.

Mr Speaker, Honourable Members, I was here last week updating this August House about the progress we have made as a country in the fight against the ongoing COVID-19 pandemic.
I did promise then that I will also give an update on other important aspect in the health of our people- the issue of drugs and medical supplies in our health facilities across the country.

Mr Speaker, I stand here today not only to fulfil the promise I made last week, but also to respond to some of the questions that many Batswana and some of you Honourable Members, have been asking in relation to drug availability in our health facilities.
As a matter of fact, we did make public statements in February and March 2022, acknowledging the challenges we were facing as a ministry and country, in ensuring that all our health facilities had enough supply of medications for various medical conditions.

We further highlighted some interventions that were being made to address the situation.

Mr Speaker, the issue of shortages of some drugs and medications in our health facilities affects all our people regardless of age and sex.
The challenge affects most medications but has been more pronounced in children’s medications and medications for chronic diseases.

Perhaps I should respond to the question, why this shortage?

Mr Speaker, this shortage has been brought about by a multiplicity of factors, but the three main ones that I wish to highlight are as follows: (a) Our procurement system has proved to be far too slow to facilitate the needs of our health care system.
Whereas the Public Procurement and Asset Disposal Board (PPADB) has good procurement processes meant to facilitate fair play and competitive bidding, the system as it is, has proved largely unsuitable for the procurement of health goods and commodities, especially medications.

The traditional procurement system processes take quite some time to mature, in some cases even months.

On the other hand, medications are an emergency requirement.
Their availability or unavailability can mean life or death for the sick.

Therefore, the lengthy procurement system has not served us well in the health sector.

We have since commenced processes that will see the procurement of drugs and medications taking a more expedited route than other goods.

We are hopeful that this change in approach will see us receiving medical commodities faster and more conveniently.
(b) The COVID-19 pandemic had a devastating blow to our drugs and medical supplies’ systems, as it did in other countries as well.

The COVID-19 pandemic affected all countries and businesses, including those manufacturing and supplying medications.

As countries imposed lockdowns in an attempt to curb the spread of the disease, production capacities were drastically reduced.

In the meantime, medical stocks that countries had, were getting depleted, without any fill ups.
As a developing country that imports almost all its medications, we were one of the hardest hit.

Our supplies were getting more and more depleted with each passing day, with no supplies available.

On the other hand, the COVID-19 pandemic also brought unprecedented stress and distress, causing many people to require medical attention and more medications for their conditions.

This meant that the demand for medications was growing exponentially, while the supply was narrowing each day.
(c) As if the above was not enough, Mr Speaker, the few medications that were eventually destined to our country, took so long to arrive.

As already indicated, other developing countries faced similar challenges since they, like us, imported most of their medical supplies.

The travel restrictions and stern conditions introduced to avert the spread of COVID-19, meant that travel was not smooth and it took longer for both goods and people’s travel clearance to be made.
As such, all imported goods, including medical supplies took longer than normal to arrive.

10 Hansard No 205Friday 1st April, 2022STATEMENT UPDATE ON THE STATE OF DRUGS AND MEDICAL SUPPLIES IN HEALTH FACILITIES All these factors Mr Speaker, militated against timely delivery of most medical supplies to our country and people.

All these factors Honourable Members, militated against our best efforts to ensure that our people received the best medical care and on time.
Mr Speaker, I wish to indicate that my ministry regards this situation as an emergency.

It is one that I have impressed upon my staff to give their utmost attention.

I have impressed upon them to ensure that we respond with all our might and utmost dedication.
Firstly, we have since February 2022, extended some budget to all our District Health Management Teams (DHMTs) across the country as well as the three referral hospitals, being; Princess Marina Hospital, Nyangabgwe Referral Hospital and Sabrana Psychiatric Hospital, to directly procure their most needed medications from the private market.

This they are doing through micro procurement.

Mr Speaker, I am by no means saying this is a long term intervention.

In fact, it is a short term intervention.


As such, the intervention has not brought a lasting solution to the challenge.

Instead, it is only alleviating it.

Mr Speaker, my ministry has also expanded the chronic medication’s dispensing programme.

This programme was conceptualised a few years ago with a view to registering people taking medications for chronic diseases in order to facilitate them to get medications from some specified private pharmacies.
The programmme has been up to now only been implemented in the Greater Gaborone DHMT and the Greater Francistown DHMT.

In view of the recent drug and medication shortages already alluded to, between February and March 2022, we extended the programme to seven more villages being; Lobatse, Molepolole, Mahalapye, Palapye, Serowe, Selebi Phikwe and Maun.
Many people are being enrolled in this programme which will see them having access to private pharmacies, which we believe will help ease their medication challenges.

Conditions covered under this arrangement include hypertension, diabetes, heart diseases, asthma, epilepsy, mental diseases and others.

Mr Speaker, Honourable Members, we have also received a sizeable number of medications that included vaccines for children under the age of five, as well as some chronic medications in March 2022.
Some of these medications have already been delivered to various DHMTs across the country, while others will be delivered in the coming days.

In addition to these interventions, some numerous tenders for procurement of drugs and medical supplies have been running in the past weeks.

Some will be closing in the coming few days, while some have already closed.

These tenders are expected to help procure more drugs and medications that will last some months.
We have since sought authority to use the emergency procurement method from the Public Procurement and Asset Disposal Board (PPADB), which we hope to help us expedite the procurement of the much needed drugs and medications.

We therefore anticipate Mr Speaker, that there should be noticeable improvement from end of May 2022.

Mr Speaker, Honourable Members, I felt it was important that I share with you these issues so that you can all understand what my ministry is doing about this situation.
My update today was also to assure Batswana that we are fully aware of the hurdles that they go through every day when they seek medical attention in our health facilities.

We are fully aware of their pains when they are unable to find some drugs and medications in our health facilities.

We share their pain.

We also know the pain that our staff and health care workers in general go through when they cannot fully care for their patients on account of lack of certain medications.
I however Mr Speaker, wish to advise health care workers to always seek for alternative medications before they can let a patient leave without their prescribed medications.

Mr Speaker, Honourable Members, I assure you once more that this issue is given the highest attention from my office.

It is an issue I will not rest until it is fully accomplished.
My ministry is fully committed to saving the lives of Batswana from COVID-19 as clearly stipulated in His Excellency the President Dr Mokgweetsi Eric Keabetswe Masisi’s Reset Agenda priority number one.

It is for this reason that I once more, Honourable Members, request you to impress upon our people, your constituents, to come for COVID-19 vaccination if not vaccinated or for boosters if they have not taken their boosters.
We do not wish for any new wave that may come our way to find us lacking in one way or another.

I trust that you will all do your part to save our country and people.

I thank you Honourable Members and Mr Speaker for your attention.

LEADER OF THE HOUSE (MR TSOGWANE): Procedure.


Ke a kopa Mr Speaker, ke lebile gore ntlha e Minister a sa tswang go bua ka yone e botlhokwa 11 Hansard No 205Friday 1st April, 2022STATEMENT UPDATE ON THE STATE OF DRUGS AND MEDICAL SUPPLIES IN HEALTH FACILITIES go le kae mo Batswaneng.

A o ne o ka se ke wa mo neela motsotso, a soboka ka teme e Batswana ba tlaa e utlwang.

Re bua ka botsogo, melemo, mekento le dilo tse di botlhokwa thata.
O dirile sentle thata a bua ntlha ya gagwe, re e utlwile ka botlalo, mme a o ne a ka se ke a soboka fela ka bokhutshwane ka teme e e tlaa utlwiwang ke Batswana kwa gae le kwa dikgaolong.

Ke a leboga.

MR SPEAKER: Your Honour, it is not a question of procedure.

The Minister was entitled as you have done yourself, and it was done this morning, if he thought it was advisable to summarise in Setswana.
What you are doing, in fact you are asking the Minister whether he wants to summarise, he might not mind to do so.

We cannot force him, gongwe o tshwana le nna ga a itse Setswana.

DR DIKOLOTI: Mr Speaker, fa o ntetlelela ke ka soboka ka puo ya rona ya Setswana.
Pego ya gompieno Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, e ne e le go tlisa kitsiso mo Batswaneng le setšhaba sa rona ka kakaretso, gore re le Lephata la Botsogo, re tshwere jang mo thulaganyong ya tlhaelo ya melemo, e e amileng lefatshe lotlhe ka bophara.

Tlhaelo e e tla ka mabaka a a farologanyeng, a mangwe a bakiwa ke thulaganyo e re santseng re na le yone re le Puso ya theko ya dithoto.

E ne e sa re berekele thata re le ba Lephata la Botsogo, ka gore theko ya melemo e faphegile.
Re kgonne go buisana le ba ba okamatseng PPADB gore theko ya melemo e tle ka tshoganetso, gore re kgone go thiba diphatlha tse tsotlhe.

Re le lephata gape e ne ya re ngwaga o o simologa ka dikgwedi tsa Firikgong le Tlhakole, ra rolela setšhaba se go supa gore re tlaa nna le tlhaelo ya melemo mme re kopa gore re dirisane jang gore kwa bofelong re iphitlhele re tswa mo go one mathata a re leng mo go one.

Sengwe sa ditsela tse re neng ra di dira ke go oketsa madi kwa DHMTs.
O tlaa gakologelwa gore re le lefatshe re kgaogantse lefatshe le ka DHMTs di le lesome le boferabobedi.

Re ne re ba neela madi, re neela dipatela tsa main referrals, Marina, Nyangabgwe, Sabrana, gore ba reke melemo e ba ka e tlhokang gore e kgone go nama e thibile.

Re bua kgang e se yone kgang ya mmangmang, ka gore e re neela go le go nnyennyane mme e kgonne go thiba diphatlha gore Batswana ba kgone go bona melemo.
Re na le thulaganyo e nngwe e re nang le tomagano le kompone ya Associated Fund Administrators (AFA), e re atolosang melemo go ya kwa Batswaneng.

Re dirisa pharmacies tsa Batswana gore e nne tsone tse Motswana yo o ka tswang a na le malwetse a tshwanang le a pelo, sukiri, khupelo jalojalo, ba ka ya kwa pharmacies tseo.

Thulaganyo e setse e ribolotswe mo mafelong a mangwe mme re a e atolosa go feta beke e e tlang.
Se o se dirang wena ke go ya kwa kokelong, o tlaabo o fitlhela form e le teng e o e tlatsang.

Go tlaabo go na le mogakolodi gone foo wa pharmacist, a bo a tsaya a saena le ene a e isa kwa e tshwanetseng go ya teng, gore Batswana ba kgone go bona melemo e re ntseng re na le tlhaelo ya yone.

Ke thulaganyo nngwe e e tlaa re thusang thata.


Re tshephisa Batswana gore seemo se ka fa se ntseng ka teng, ka fa e leng gore re reka melemo ka teng gompieno, e tlaa re kgwedi ya Motsheganong e tsweletse, seemo se se tlaa ritibala thata.

Kgang e re e tseetse kwa godimo thata re le Puso, jaaka Tautona mo tlhomontšha ya gagwe, tlhabatshe ya yone ya ntlha e le go boloka setšhaba se kgatlhanong le bolwetse jo jwa COVID-19.
E bile ke rotloetse Mapalamente gore ba nne lekwalo, ba nne ba tsamaye ba ye go bua dikgang tse.

Ba tlhalosetse their constituents gore ba tseye lemao la tlaleletso, ba ba sa kentang ba kente gore tšhaba e babalesege.

Ke a go leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente.

MR SPEAKER: Thank you Minister.

Honourable Members, your Standing Orders allow for short questions for the purpose of elucidation so that you can better comprehend what the Minister has just said.

DR GOBOTSWANG: Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.


Honourable Minister, o ne o re seemo sa letlhoko la melemo mo dikokelwaneng ke sa tshoganetso.

A go raya gore re tlaa utlwa Tautona a dira a declaration ya gore go na le emergency mo lephateng leo?

Re solofela gore fa go na le emergency, go tshwanetse ga nna le sengwe se se faphegileng se le se dirang.

Ga ke a se utlwa Honourable Minister se se tsamaelanang le seemo sa tshoganetso.
Selo sa bobedi, Honourable Minister, a o a itse gore go tlhaela ga melemo mo dikokelwaneng go ntse go le teng pele ga COVID?

Ke eng o batla go dirisa COVID gore ke yone e dirileng mathata, mme seemo se sale se nna teng?

Potso e nngwe ke gore, le ya to decentralise leng Central Medical Stores (CMS), kana ga le na maikaelelo a go dira jalo?
La bofelo ke gore, le ne le neetse dipatela tse di tshwanang le Sefhare Primary Hospital gore di dire micro-procurement, le bo le e tsaya le e busa gape, centralising it.

Maikaelelo ke eng ka kgang e ya micro- procurement Honourable Minister?
Golo foo ke gone fa go lebegang go na le mathata a matona gore dikokelwana 12 Hansard No 205Friday 1st April, 2022STATEMENT UPDATE ON THE STATE OF DRUGS AND MEDICAL SUPPLIES IN HEALTH FACILITIES tse di tshwanang le Sefhare Primary Hospital, di bo di sa kgone go rekela clinics tse di mo kgaolong dipilisi.

Ke a leboga.

DR DIKOLOTI: O ka ba tsaya ba le bararo Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente gore ke di arabe di ntse jalo.

MR LUCAS: Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.


Tona, re amogela dipego go tswa kwa dikgaolong le batho ba a re leletsa ka matshwenyego a o ntseng o bua ka one.

Ke matshwenyego a matona fela thata.

A ko o tlhalose fela ka botlalo gore mo malwetseng a khupelo, high blood le sukiri, bokete jwa tlhaelo e bo kana ka eng?

Go supafala gore batho le fa o re ba ye kwa pharmacies, le teng ga go na melemo eo.

O e kae sentle gore bokete joo bo kana ka eng?


Kgang e, ke tsaya gore e tona fela thata, e bile e le tshwentse jaaka o bona o tlisa statement jaana.

Fa batho ba sa bone melemo go raya gore bangwe ba bone ba ka felela ba tlhokafala mabapi le go e tlhoka.

A o ka tswa o na le lesedi la gore batho ba ba setseng ba tlhokafetse ba bolawa ke bolwetse jwa khupelo, high blood le sukiri ba ka nna dipalo tse di kae fa o abelela o lebile reports tse o di tsayang kwa dipateleng?
Ke tsaya gore fa re tlhwaafetse, re ka nna le statistics se se supang jalo gore batho ba ba neng ba tlhaela melemo ba tlhokafetse ba ka nna kae?

Ya boraro e le ya bofelo ke gore rraetsho, mo nakong e e sa tswang go feta dibeke tse pedi jalo, re ntse re amogela dipego tse di reng motho o kgona go wa fela mo ntlong ya gagwe, phakela go fitlhelwa a tlhokafetse.

Fa gotwe go phuruphutshwa mo ntlong ya gagwe, go fitlhelwa containers tsa dipilisi tsa high blood, spray le sukiri di le empty.
Fa batho ba iphitlhela ba le mo seemong se e leng gore motho yo ba belaela gore o tshwanetse a bo a tlhokafetse ka go tlhoka melemo e ke e buang ya khupelo, high blood le sukiri, o gakolola ba malwapa ao go dira jang, ba ye kae?

A ba ye kwa sepateleng go supa gore motho yo o ne a feletswe ke melemo kgotsa ba ye kwa court go itsheka?

Ke batla o ba neele kgakololo o le Tona.

Ke a leboga.

MR TSHERE: Thank you Honourable Speaker.


Ke leboge thata Honourable Dr Gobotswang e le leloko la Committee ya Botsogo mo Palamenteng gore o boditse dipotso tse ke neng ke di tshwere ka bontsi.

Go na le kgwedi re ntse re bua ka melemo e e tlhaelang, e bile seemo se a kekela.

Ga re bone o tla ka seemo sa emergency.

Re tsenya emergency gore re dirise melawana e e rileng go bona melemo ka bonako.

Ke batla gore Tona gone foo, a akgele.


Se sengwe gape ke re Tona, ke ne ke solofetse gore o lome Palamente tsebe ka kgang ya expired COVID-19 vaccines.

Re nna re utlwa Tautona a bua gore melemo e felelwa ke boleng, Batswana ba tle go e tsaya.

Jaanong babegadikgang ba bua ka yone.

Ke eletsa gore o ka bo o kgomile mo go yone kana o tle ka statement se se itebagantseng le gore melemo e e kae?

Ke ya bokete jo bo kae?

O ya to dispose it how gore Palamente e itse?


Se sengwe ke re, ba DHMT procurement ba a bua le kwa facilities gore go bokete gore o bone dipilisi tse di rileng ka di a tura.

Fa o reka dipilisinyana di sekaenyana, di tshwanetse gore di ye kwa Palapye, Serowe le Mahalapye, di tlaabo di felela di tura.

Ke selo se se bokete.

Lona le e lebelela jang gore le reke melemo ka large-scale tse di tlaa re tshegetsang?
Sa bofelo rra, ke go leboge ka vaccine tseo tsa Bilharzia tse le ntseng le kenta bana, with some adverse effects mme go lebega go tsamaya sentle.

Ke a leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente.

DR DIKOLOTI: Mma ke go leboge Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente.

Rre Gobotswang le Rre Tshere ba ne ba bua ka kgang ya seemo sa tshoganetso.

Ke tsaya gore ke ne ke e tlhalosa le mo pegong ya me Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente gore re le Lephata la Botsogo, re tsaya seemo se ka tshoganetso.
Ke sone se o bonang le mo dipuisanyong tsa rona le ba PPADB ba kgonne go re letlelela go reka melemo ka seemo sa tshoganetso.

Se re thusa go atolosa lebogo go feta.

Dikgwetlho tsa shortage ya melemo ke tsaya gore Motlotlegi Tshere, e leng mongkanna mo Lephateng la Botsogo, o a tlhaloganya gore sengwe se se botlhoko ka thekiso ya melemo ke gore bontsi jwa barekisi will have exclusivities for melemo e e farologanyeng.

Jaanong golo mo gape go kganela, go bo go thatafatsa theko ya melemo go feta selekanyo.
Ke dingwe tse re nang le tumelo e tona ya gore re tlaa nna re ntse re tswelela re di buisana go ya kwa godimo.

It is a serious trade issue e e tshwanetseng e lebelelwe sentle gore dilo tse di bulege.

Batswana re reke rotlhe, kana re kgone to access melemo e rotlhe gore kwa bofelong tšhaba ya rona e babalesege.

Re tsaya golo mo e le emergency.

Ke sone se o utlwang ke re, re tsile ka ditsela tse di farologaneng tsa go reka melemo.

Ke ne ke bua ka micro-procurement gore it is not the best solution.
Ke go thusa fela to alleviate tlhaelo e gore bogolonyana go nne le sengwenyana.

Jaaka o bua, e bile acknowledging gore melemo e, some of private facilities do not have them because kwa re tsayang teng, kwa potong, ke gone kwa dikgwetlho di leng teng.

Ba 13 Hansard No 205Friday 1st April, 2022STATEMENT UPDATE ON THE STATE OF DRUGS AND MEDICAL SUPPLIES IN HEALTH FACILITIES ba dirang melemo ba ntse le challenge ya COVID.

The lockdowns have disrupted their productions and all that.
Golo mo kwa bofelong, go bo go kgoreletsa gore re bone melemo ka fa re neng re solofetse ka teng.

Ke buile gape gore other than micro procurement re nnile le mo gotweng waivers tse PPADB e di re neetseng gore re reke melemo ya tlhwatlhwa e e ka re fetisang dikgwedi tse thataro go ya kwa godimo jalojalo.

Ke buile gape gore go na le different contracts tse re ntseng re na le tenders tsa tsone, they are running and they are closing in April.

E nngwe e simolola go tswalwa ka di six jalo.


Di tlaa re fa lebaka le le leele la gore ba ba tlaabong ba neetswe ditiro tsa teng, ba ye go batla melemo eo gore kwa bofelong ba e tsise.

Thulaganyo e re tsileng ka yone, ya tomagano le AFA, e tlaa thusa thata kanamiso.

Ke thulaganyo e e leng gore gompieno jaana re santse re e atolosa.

Re na le enrolment ya batho ba ka tshwara 10 348.

They are enrolled mo different private pharmacies tsa Batswana.
Re le Puso, ga re na go ikotlhaela gore Batswana ba dire madi.

Jaaka Tautona a buile mo tlhomontšha ya gagwe, thabatse ya bone ya value chain development, golo moo ke nngwe ya ditshono tse di teng tse go tlaareng kwa bofelong go nne le Motswana yo o tlaa yang go dira pharmacy kwa Digawana.

A lebile gore banni ba Digawana ba ba lwalang malwetse a, ba tseye thuso e segautshwanyane go ya ka dikgaolo ka go farologana jaaka re tlaabo re tsweletse rolling out jalo.
Golo moo ga go re itse re le Puso gore re tswelele re batla ditsela tse dingwe tse di ka nnang more sustainable.

Re tlaa dumalana rotlhe le lona batlotlegi gore the most sustainable way ya gore re nne le melemo, ke gore re itirele melemo.

Ke sone se o bonang Puso e tsere tshwetso ya gore re tlile go lwa ka tsotlhe tse gore re ngoke babeeletsi ba tle kwano go re thusa ka botlhale jo bo rileng gore re tle go dira melemo.
Go na le puo e nngwe e e buegang thata e boradikgwebo jaanong ba simolotseng go e sala morago e gotweng drug compounding, e ke dumelang gore Motlotlegi Tshere o e tlhaloganya botoka e e tlaa re thusang thata go reba seemo se sa tlhaelo ya melemo.

Kgang ya gore why shortage only during COVID, ke tsaya gore ke e arabile Motlotlegi Gobotswang gore it is not only ka nako ya COVID, but it has contributed a lot along the whole value chain, a ke manufacturing, transportation kana logistics.
Gape ke buile and acknowledged gore the procurement system ka fa e ntseng e ntse ka teng, it was not favourable for the health sector because we deal ka specialised products.

E ne e sa kgone gore e re berekele botoka.

Ke batla go leboga Palamente e le Puso e ya ga Motlotlegi Tautona Dr Mokgweetsi Masisi gore re bo re ne ra bona go tshwanela gore nako ya Palamente e, re fetole thulaganyo e re neng re ntse re na le yone ya theko.
Ke dumela gore thulaganyo e ntšha e re e rotseng re le Palamente, e tlaa kgona go thusa botoka gore reke melemo.

Micro procurement; ke tsaya gore ke e arabile gore it is a temporary measure, it is not a solution.

Ke a measure that we use to alleviate mathata a re nang le one.

Motlotlegi Lucas o ne a bua ka kgang ya shortage ya melemo.

Ke tsaya gore I have acknowledged gore there has been shortage ya melemo.
It is a worldwide problem e re tlaa tshwanelwang ke gore re e tshwaraganele go netefatsa gore kwa bofelong re nna le a solution.

Re setse re simolotse go bona gore re phatlalatsa jang go tsaya gotlhe mo go leng teng.
Re setse re simolotse gore re bue le ba rona ba botsogo gape gore go na le alternative medicines gore fa pilisi e pink e seyo Lucas mme go na le e tshweu, o itse gore di bereka ka go tshwana, ruta molwetse gore pilisi e tshwenu e bereka jaaka e pink, mme kwa bofelong molwetse a kgone go bona thuso.

Ka go tlhoka lesego Motlotlegi Lucas, ga ke na dipalo tse o reng o a di tlhoka tsa gore go na le batho ba le kae ba ba re latlhegetseng ka mabaka a gore go bo go na le tlhaelo ya melemo.
Ke batla gore ke go reye ke re Motlotlegi Lucas, dikgang tse tsa gore “batho ba latlhegile ka gore,” go batla o di bua o tlhaloganya, o di bue sentle ka gore nna le wena we are not pathologists.

Pathologists ke bone tse di netefatsang during postmortem gore motho o re latlhegetse ka lebaka le le ntseng jang.

Ke a itse gore gantsinyana batho ba rata to diagnose batho fela ka matlho, o lebelela motho ka matlho o bo o re motho o bolawa ke sele, mme golo mo go borai, bogolo jang e bile fa o le moeteledipele.
Dilo tse o tshwanetse gore o di sisele, o rute batho sentle gore dilo tse ga o dire jaana, o di baya jang gore tšhaba e yotlhe e kgone gore e rutege, re itse gore dilo tse re di sala morago jang.

Ke thuto e e leng gore ga re kitla re e lapela, re tlaa tswelela rotlhe re e tshwaraganela gore tšhaba e tle e itse.
Ke tsaya gore e neelana le ya gago e o reng molwetse fa a ka fitlhelwa a ole (collapsed) o bo o fitlhela e le gore… kana dilo tseo, go gontsi Motlotlegi Lucas, gantsinyana rona fa re tsaya mo gotweng history… go fitlhela container kwa lelwapeng, ga go reye gore ke 14 Hansard No 205Friday 1st April, 2022STATEMENT UPDATE ON THE STATE OF DRUGS AND MEDICAL SUPPLIES IN HEALTH FACILITIES ya ga Lucas.
Ke gore go na le golo mo goreng fa o le motho wa botsogo, o itse gore o tshwanetse gore o tseye history, a ke fa o fitlhelang go na le molwetse kana go na le leso teng, dilo tse di na le thulaganyo ya tsone, mme a re di tlogelele ba ba di itseng gore ba kgone go di sala morago.
Fa ke rola pego mo Palamenteng beke e e fetileng, ke buile gore sengwe se COVID e se re rutileng ke go tsaya bogakolodi jwa ba botsogo, mme ke dumela gore batlotlegi le tlaa dumalana le nna e bile ga le kitla le ntshwabisa gore se ke se buileng e nne sone boaammaaruri gore re tsile go reetsa dikgakololo tsa ba botsogo re bo re di sala morago.

Fa re ka dira jalo ruri molemo o tlaa re sala morago.
Kgang ya vaccines tse di siilweng ke nako Honourable Tshere, ke go tlhoka lesego fela gore ke bo ke ne ke bua kgang last week, kgotsa potso eo o ka bo o ne wa e tsenya teng.

Ke dumela gore ke ne ke le mo seromomaweng phakela ke bua ka yone ke atolosa statement se ke neng ke se fa last week Friday gore go na le melemo mengwe e e senyegileng le e mengwe e e tlaa senyegang.

Nna le wena re a itse gore melemo ke selo se se nang le go felelwa ke boleng.
Ga se tlholo ntšha, ke selo se se diragalang fatshe lotlhe; a ke molemo wa eng, e bile ga se vaccines fela, le one molemo wa sehuba Honourable Tshere o a itse.

Le gone within your profession, o a itse gore le the equipment that you use, le tsone di na le lebaka le le ka di dirang go bo go fela.

Golo mo ga se sepe se le ka tshosang batho ka sone kana jang, mme re na le thulaganyo e nitameng.
Nna le wena re a itse gore melemo kana tsotlhe tse di ka amanang le botsogo, re na le Botswana Medicines Regulatory Authority (BoMRA) e e leng yone kgoro ya go letlelela gore se se tsenang mo Botswana ke se se siameng e bile se se dirisiwang ke se se siameng.

E bile re na le thulaganyo ya gore se se senyegileng le sone se sala tsamaiso morago gore se ye go latlhiwa very safely.

Re a dumalana nna le wena gore this micro procurement e re neelang DHMTs is expensive.
Ke ne ke rile ba ye go mpha pego but ba supa gore it comes at 2.8 per cent more expensive than our normal other processes tse re rekang ka tsone.

Dilo tse ke dumela gore ga se sepe se re ka se itumelelang.

Se se teng fela ke gore ke thulaganyo e e teng.

Fa mathata a le teng o ka e dirisa gore Motswana a se ka a tswa kwa kokelong a sa bona melemo ya gagwe kana kalafi ya gagwe.

Ke a le leboga batlotlegi.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: O mo fomong laiti ya me.

MR BROOKS: Good morning Mr Speaker.


Thank you Honourable Minister.

Ke ne ke re go botse.

Bakaulengwe ba tsere dipotso tsotlhe tse pedi tse tharo tse tota ke neng ke re ke a go di botsa.

Ke ntse ke utlwa o di araba ka botlalo.

Gongwe fela ke ise ke ye potsong, ke go leboge ka bokhutshwane fela ka pego e o e fang Batswana eo ya go nna teng ga melemo mo dikokelong.

Potso ke gore theko e o buang ka ga yone e, a e tlaa re melemo e e goroga Tona, a e tlaabo e gorogela kwa CMS?
O ya go dira jang gore e goroge ka bofefo kwa dikokelwaneng tse di kgakala le Gaborone jaaka bo Bokspits, Struizendam jalojalo ka gore le gone ke kwa go nang le mathata teng?
E totatota e ntshwenyang thata le fa o re o e araba Tona ke go utlwa sentle, motho o ka go botsa gore what triggered you gore o tle ka pego ya gore golo mo go lebega e le kgwetlho e e ka re pateletsang gore re tle ka seemo sa tshoganetso sa gore dipilisi ga di yo kana melemo e a tlhaela, mme at the same time o sa re tlele ka palo e e leng gore it triggered you gore mo ke batho ba re lemogang ba re tlhokafaletse ka lebaka la go tlhoka melemo kwa dikokelwaneng?
Kana potso ya ga Honourable Lucas e ne e gogela gone koo gore e re e lebelela, re e lebelele along those lines gore indeed re na le kgwetlho jaaka re itemogela on the ground.

Jaanong ke utlwa o e tlhatswa thata Morolong, a ko o e tlhamalatse sentle ke tle ke go tshware ngwana wa bomme.

MR REGOENG: Tanki Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo.


Honourable Minister, mma ke re fela lantlha ke re rra e a go leboga ka go dira pego e o sa tswang go re e bolelela, e botlhokwa fela thata gore re tlhaloganye gore seemo se re mo go sone ke sefe.

E a tlhalosa gore go bo go na le letlhoko la melemo, ga se fela ka dilo tsa ka bomo, ke ka bolwetse jo re ntseng re le mo go jone.
Kgang ele ya metsamao ke yone e dirileng gore seemo se nne jaana mme e seng rona fela go reka, le kwa e dirwang teng jaaka fa o tlhalosa gore le gone go ne ga nna bokoa gore melemo e ka dirwa ka palo kana ka fa selekanyo se e leng gore e tshwanetse gore e dirwe ka sone.

Gongwe ke go kope jaana rraetsho ke re thulaganyo e o e dirileng le ba AFA e molemo thata jaaka fa o ntse o tlhalosa gore sepatela sa kwa Molepolole ke sengwe sa dipatela tse le rebotseng gore ba ka dirisanya le bone.
Ke go kope gore a tlhaloso e e tsene kwa go bone, ba e itse, ba tle ba kgone gore ba thuse Bakwena ka kgang ya teng.

E se ka ya re maitseboa fa ke tsena kwa Molepolole e bo e le gore motho o boile kwa sepatela mme ga a a 15 Hansard No 205Friday 1st April, 2022STATEMENT UPDATE ON THE STATE OF DRUGS AND MEDICAL SUPPLIES IN HEALTH FACILITIES ka a rulaganyediwa gore o ka ya go tsaya molemo kwa bonnanne a tle a thusiwe.
Ke re e tlhalose rraetsho gore le ba ba e diragatsang ba nne le kitso yone eo ba tle ba e diragatse, ke a go kopa.

E nngwe ya bofelo ke gore a e re gongwe fa o bone nako mo nakong e khutshwanyane, statement se jaaka o ntse o se re tlhalosetsa jaana, o ye go se tsaya ka botlalo jaaka o ne o se tsaya mo lelemeng mo la Sekgoa kwa seromamoweng Batswana ba tle ba go utlwe sentle ka tlhamalalo le bone ba tle ba itseele ka tsebe, e seng jaaka ba reeditse gompieno jaana.
Ke a leboga mme fela ke re nnyaa ke maiteko a mantle fela thata rraetsho, leka jalo gore o tle o boloke Batswana.

Ke a leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente.

MR LEUWE: Thank you Mr Speaker and good morning Honourable House.
Ke ne ke re gongwe ke simolole fela ka go go leboga Tona pele ga ke tsena kwa potsong ka gore statements tse tsa gago, sa maloba le sa gompieno, o araba dilelo tsa batho tse di tlang kwa go rona letsatsi le letsatsi, bogolo jang rona ba re kwa dikgaolong tse di kwa tengnyanateng bo Takatokwane.

O kare o ka tswelela dira fela jalo rraetsho, go supagala gore tsebe ya gago e a utlwa le yone.
Gongwe se ke ka se go botsang fela Tona ke gore ga ke utlwe o nna clear fela sentle o mpolelela gore yo o kwa Kaudwane, Tsetseng, Dutlwe, Ditshegwane le Khudumelapye, thulaganyo le arrangement ya gago e e mosola e o ntse o sa tswa go e re baya pele e, o ba thusa ka tsela e e ntseng jang mo bonakong jo bo kgonagalang fela jaaka ke ne ke sa tswa go bua maloba ke bo ke botsa gore a wa re re tseye dikepu re boele kwa meding ya ditlhare?
O nne clear fela o ba tlhalosetse gore bone jaanong how are you going to rescue them mo seemong sa gompieno ka gore ba mo bothateng fela jo bo tshwanang le jwa motho mongwe le mongwe.

Dikgang tsa pharmacies ga di yo kwa go rona, ga di yo gotlhelele, go raya gore ga re ka ke ra nna le access ya tsone.

Ke re o tlhalose seo Tona, o ropame fela o re bolelele gore rona ba dikgaolo tse di leng kwa tenteng tota how are you going to rescue us?

Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

MR REATILE: Tla ke go leboge Mr Speaker.


Ke bo ke leboge le Tona ka bokgabane jo ke utlwang a bega dikgang tsa gagwe ka jone.

Go a supagala gore ke ngwana yo e tlaa reng fa a ka gola sentle o tlaa tiya mokwatla.

Ke bo ke re Tona a tle a re thuse fa, kgang e a buang ka yone e bo Tona ba ba fetileng ba kile ba bua ka yone gore, fa diritibatsi di seyo mo kokelwaneng e go tlaa netefatswa gore go gakololwe molwetse gore o ka ya go di bona fa kokelwaneng efe.
Go raya gore dilo tse di tswa kwa Tona di ntse di pala, jaanong gompieno assurance e o e neelang batlotlegi le Batswana ka gore ba go reeditse ka tlhamalalo gongwe le gongwe kwa ba leng teng ba ba tseneletseng Palamente, o ba raya o re gompieno?
Go a go kgonagala jang motlotlegi, gore e se ka ya re kamoso e nne e kete ba ba mo kokelwaneng, motho a le kwa Kokong dipilisi di le kwa Thankane, jaanong ra re yo o leng kwa Kokong, Thankane gore o mo access o tshwanetse o tsene ka Mabutsane, mo Jwaneng, o ye go feta kwa nnenyane.

Ra re re ya go dira jang fa e le gore jaanong re e baya mo maruding a molwetse?
Mme re ntse re itse gore ke wena yo o leng moitsaanape wa tsa botsogo Tona gore, when motho defaults mo matsatsing a a kana go raya gore jaanong o jele poison fela gore a bo a sa tsaya dikalafi tseo tsa gagwe?
Mme ya bofelo Tona ke batla o re thuse gore mo kgannyeng e ya melemo e e ka tswang e expire e le ya vaccine ya COVID, ke batla go itse gore e ya booster shot Batswana ba ngodiega kana ba tsiboga go le kae go netefatsa gore madi re se ka ra a tshela mo COVID vaccine go tsweng foo e bo ba ngodiega lefatshe le senyegelwa ke madi?

Gongwe ba tsiboga ka bokete, fa ba re ba a tsiboga melemo e fedile, go tsweng foo ba bo ba dumela fela gore aah!

tota jaanong ga e sa tlhole e ka tla.


Jaanong ke re gongwe o re beye on the picture ka gore re ya diphuthegong jaaka re phatlalala jaana ka di 14 Tona, re tle re fete re bue teme e o e buang, re se ka ra feta ra go misrepresent?

Ke a leboga motsadi, ngwana wa ga setlogolo.

DR DIKOLOTI: Tanki Morolong.

Honourable Brooks o ne a bua ka thulaganyo ya gore tota melemo ga e na go tloga e tla e tsena e bo e kokoana fela kwa CMS.

Honourable Brooks, re na le thulaganyo e e tsepameng tota.
O tlaa gakologelwa gore re kile ra bo re ne re na le mathata bogologolo, mme re ne ra thapa kompone ya poso, e e leng gore ke yone e re thusang mo phatlalatsong ya melemo.

Letsatsi le letsatsi go nna le thulaganyo fela e e tsepameng ya gore melemo e tswa ka nako e e ya kwa dikgaolong.

Ba CMS ka gore ke simolotse go bereka segautshwanyane thata le bone, jaaka ke ne ke bua, we have treated this as an emergency, every week they come to brief me.
Botlhe ba bo ba tla ba mpolelela what they have achieved mo bekeng e e fetileng, go fitlhelela 16 Hansard No 205Friday 1st April, 2022STATEMENT UPDATE ON THE STATE OF DRUGS AND MEDICAL SUPPLIES IN HEALTH FACILITIES seemo se se rarabologa, ke bo ke bona gore koloi e e bile e goga sentle, e bile e tsamaya sentle.
Sengwe se e tlaa nnang dikgang tse di monate Honourable Brooks, tse re di akanyetsang go ya pele mo go bo National Development Plan (NDP) 12 ke gore, lefatshe kana ga le a tshwanela go ema fa le emeng teng.
Ntle le gore re batla go ngoka babeeletsi go tla go dira melemo kwano ka thulaganyo ga go atolosa melemo, ke a gakologelwa gore kwa mafatsheng a mangwe go nna le difofanenyana tse di tobediwang tsa drones tse di nnang bofefo go isa dithuso kwa bathong, e bile gape di kgona to access terrains tse dingwe tse e leng gore fa o ne o tsamaya ka koloi o ne o ka tsaya beke.

Dilo tseo ke dingwe tse re di tsentseng mo ditogamaanong tsa rona go tenefatsa gore re a di phatlalatsa.
Ke itumelela gore mafatshe a mangwe jaanong a ntse a tlhabologa ka technology e. Ngogola I launched drones tse dingwe tse di bolokang botshelo kwa Palapye, mme o lemoga gore di pega go le go nnyennyane, e le gore segolobogolo re ne re batla go di dirisetsa go boloka matshelo a bomme ka dinako tsa pelegi.

Fa re ntse re bua le ba bangwe go a utlwala gore di ntse di a gola.
Motlotlegi Dr Letsholathebe kwa dipatlisisong le bone ga ba robale ka thulaganyo e, gore kwa bofelong re nne le dithulaganyo tse di ka kgonang gore di boloke tšhaba e ya rona.

Ke eng that triggers kgang e ke tlaa reng ke emergency, jaaka ke bua kwa CMS, re na le go bala gore re na le bokae.

Re ipeetse seelo sa gore fa re ka bona melemo e wela kwa botlaseng jwa golo mo, go raya gore go na le mathata, mme segolobogolo re bo re iphitlhela e le gore ga re kgone go thiba phatlha e mo lebakeng le le rileng.
Golo mo triggers go oketsa gore go na le emergency.

Sengwe se o tshwanetseng go se itse ke gore, beke le beke re lebelela stock sa rona kwa CMS le se se mo dikgaolong.

Ba bo ba se nkgaoganyetsa, ba bo ba mpolelela gore mme diphatlha tse re tlaa thiba fa kae fa go nang le mathata teng gore kwa bofelong Batswana ba kgone go bona ditlamelo.
Kgang e tona ke go atolosa molaetsa go bua le batsadi ba rona gore fa o tswa kwa Lorwana kana Thankane o itse gore to access medication, ke ne ke na le wena e bile Motlotlegi Reatile kwa Jwaneng launching maranyane a masha a e-pharm, a ke dumelang gore re ne re bua le bone gore re batla ba re atolosetse gore jaanong go tsaya melemo e se ka ya nna golo ga nako, gore le ka one fa o tswa kwa Thankane o le kwa Jwaneng o bo o itse gore o romelelwa molaetsa, e.wallet ya melemo, tla o tobetsa nomore, o ne o romelwetse e.wallet e rile o tobetsa e bo machine o bulega Morolong a go neela se o neng o tshwanetse go se bona.
Thulaganyo e re eletsa gore e atologe, re kope mo go ba ba dirang botoka, gore kwa bofelelong Batswana ba kgone go bona kalafi ka nako e e tshwanetseng.

Honourable Regoeng ke a go kopa Mopalamente wa Molepolole North gore a re tshwaraganele kgang ya go atolosa molaetsa o. Ke ne ke na le ba CMS le Executive phakela ono, re tsere tshwetso ya gore beke e e tlang re tlaabo re tletse mo diromamoweng go atolosa le go tlhalosetsa Batswana ka lenaneo le, le re dumelang gore le tlaa thusa.
Ga re reye gore ke solution ya mmammang ka re a itse gore pharmacies ga di gongwe le gongwe, mme e bile segolobogolo re itlamile gore re ya go tsaya fela mo go tsa Batswana.

Jaaka ke ne ke bua, Puso e will never apologise for go thusa Batswana gore ba kgone go itirela madi.

So lenaneo le la AFA only applies to Batswana ba re batlang gore they should benefit mo go lone.
Ke dumela gore ke dingwe tse e tlaa reng mo bekeng e e tlang re tlaa kopa slot kwa Masaasele koo gore re ye go bua ka thulaganyo e and interact le Batswana ka yone.

Re ba tlhalosetse gore ba ba nang le pharmacies tse ba bapileng le bone ba kgone go e akola.

Honourable Leuwe, ke a go leboga thata motlotlegi, le fa bangwe ba omana ka statements ba re ke buela ruri.

Ke dumela gore kgang e ya to spread thulaganyo e e leng teng, go tlaa nna le tshono.
Sengwe se re tlaa se dirang re le lephata, se ke se kopileng gore ba se dire ke gore ba simolole to compile data ya go supa gore, sekai, kwa Takatokwane o ya go fitlhela e le gore there is a very good business case ya gore fa o ka ya to set up pharmacy teng e tlaa kgona gore e kgone go ituela, ka gore o a go fitlhela e le gore le rent ya kwa Takatokwane ya to run business teng e kwa tlase.
Kwa bofelong mme o bo o itse gore e gabedi, o tlaabo o le mogwebi, mme gape o tlaabo o thusitse banni ba kwa Takatokwane jaaka Mopalamente wa bone a nna a ba buelela gore ba kgone go bona botsogo fela jo bo netameng.

Re tlaa nna re ntse re e tshwaraganela re e bua, re e atolosa.

Fa Palamente e phatlalala ke dumela gore le tlaa bo le le lekwalo fela la boammaaruri, le tlaabo le atolosa dikgang tse re di buileng tse batlotlegi.
Motlotlegi Reatile, ee ke boammaaruri, ke sone se o bonang kgang e re e tseeleditse kwa godimo ya go netefatsa gore lenaneo lele la AFA le a bereka, e bile e nna lone le e tlaa nnang mmammang fa go tla go tsena mo mafelong a e leng gore ga go tlhokafale le gore re ka bo re ngamoga ditlhaloganyo ka gore re reke melemo.

Ke a itse gore lenaneo kana fa go simologa go nna go nna le makgwere, ka gore o a itse gore fa gongwe fa o sa le baakanye sentle go nna go nna le tshenyonyana.
17 Hansard No 205Friday 1st April, 2022STATEMENT UPDATE ON THE STATE OF DRUGS AND MEDICAL SUPPLIES IN HEALTH FACILITIES So dilo tse tsotlhe tse re kgonne to prune them, re di baakantse.

Se se setseng fela ke gore le lona gape le ye go nna matlho a rona, go netefatsa gore ga go nne le tshenyo mo thulaganyong e. Kgangkgolo ya yone e nne go boloka tšhaba e mo malwetseng a a farologaneng.
Mme ke dumela gore kgang ya booster motlotlegi tsweetsweeng ke a le kopa, molemo wa COVID o botoka o le mo lebogong la gago go na le o le at the fridge.

Se se botlhokwa ke gore re babalesege.

Ga se maikutlo a ga Motlotlegi Dr Dikoloti gore a bo a re o tshwanetse gore o tseye booster ya Johnson and Johnson after three months, golo mo go tla ka dipatlisiso, ba BoMRA will guide us ba bo ba kwala gore re tshwanetse go dira jang.

Ga se maikutlo a me.

Le tlaa gakologelwa gore melemo e a farologana.


Mme melemo ka go farologaneng ga yone, yellow fever Honourable Reatile o a itse gore o a kentiwa, you are boosted after 10 years or so, o a itse gore flu jab o e tsaya every year, melemo e a farologana, mme o a fela mo mading, kana itshireletso ya gago ya mmele e felela e ngotlega gore e bo e ka lwantsha mogare oo fa o ka tshokana o go tsene.
Jaanong go botlhokwa ka gore re tsena mo pakeng ya mariga gore re ye go tsaya booster dose, ba ba sa ikentang ba kente.

Ga ke dumele go na le Motswana yo o batlang gore a gakologelwe ngogola dikgwedi tsa mariga, nna ngwaga ole ke o bitsa fela ke re, ngwaga o o sa nthateng feta.
Ga ke batle go gakologelwa sepe ka one ka re latlhegetswe ke batho ba se kanaka sepe, ke dumela gore nna le wena Reggie, re setse re tshaba go botsa matsogo, gore e tlaa re o re o botsa matsogo gore nnaare semammang o kae o bo o fitlhela o kgobotse ntho legogo.

Thulaganyo ke gore, a re bue ka lentswe le le one re nne tsopana batlotlegi, re rotloetse Batswana gore ba ye go tsaya this booster shot.

Go bonya gone mme go tlaa ya teng.


Bontsi jwa Batswana bo simolola gore ba nne due ka April, May mme ke dumela gore ba tlaa dira se se tshwanetseng.

Le tlaa re thusa go rotloetsa gore ba ye go tsaya lemao le la tlaleletso.

A ko tšhaba e e babalesege kgatlhanong le mogare o.

Re solofela gore lekhubo la botlhano fa le ka tla ka mariga, le fitlhele re ntse malalaalaotswe.

Ke a go leboga Morolong.

Tanki Mr Speaker.

MR SPEAKER: Honourable Motaosane, o ile kae?

MR MOTAOSANE: Ba di tsere Mr Speaker.


MR MOATLHODI: Ke a leboga Motlotlegi Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente.

Good morning sir.

Ke kile ka tswa fa ka tsena ka office ya gago, ga ke itse gore a ba tsere potso ya me.

Ke ne ke tshwenyegile thata Motlotlegi Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, go rata go botsa Rraetsho Tona gore ke eng a sa dire gore a tseye stock take as regularly as possible, with a view to avoid stock se se kanakana sa melemo e e felelelwang ke boleng?
Ka lebaka la gore fa o ka tsaya stock take se, e tlaa re melemo dates di santse di le kwa pele, o kgone go gasama le lefatshe le go kopa batho gore melemo e a senyega ya madimadi, tlang le kenteng.

Finally Motlotlegi Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, ke khubame Morena wa me ka tlotlo e ke go e neelang le lerato, ke tseye sebaka se ke leboge Motlotlegi Rraetsho Tona ka plant e re ikaelelang go e bula ya go dira melemo mono.
Le mororo fa e bulwa jaana Motlotlegi Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, ke pelo e mokorwana ka gore ke kopile gore plant e e ye go dirwa kwa Tonota mme ga ke ise ke itlhoboge.

Thank you Mr Speaker.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ga gona technology fa bo Tonota rraetsho.

DR DIKOLOTI: Tanki Mr Speaker.

Tanki Rra Nkamo ka dipotso tseo.


Kana kgang ya vaccines tse gotweng di felelwa ke boleng Rra Nkamo, o tlaa gakologelwa gore go ne go se motlhofo fa re simolola to procure vaccines tse, re ne re beeleditse mo masakeng a farologane.

Re ne re beeleditse kwa COVAX le African Union’s Vaccine Acquisition Trust (AVAT), re ne re itsamaela kwa dikomponeng tse go ya go reka melemo.

Gape kana ga re tshele re le nosi, re tshela re le lefatshe, re na le ditsala tse e leng gore le tsone ba ne ba re neela melemo.
Melemo e yotlhe re ne re tsamaya gore kwa re ka e bonang teng ka bonako, re tle go babalela matshelo a Batswana.

Kgang kgolo ya ga Motlotlegi Tautona Rraetsho Mokgweetsi Masisi e ne e le go boloka tšhaba e kgatlhanong le bolwetse jo.

Re ne re dira mo gotlhe go bona gore melemo e a tla.

Melemo e ne ya tla Rra Nkamo, se se botlhokwa ke gore re ye go kenta, re babalesege gore e re fa mariga a tsena, re bo re siame.
Kgang ya new plant Rra Nkamo, o tlaa gakologelwa gore lefatshe le, Motlotlegi Kgafela o tlaa bua thata ka dikgang tsa teng fa a bua ka bo Special Economic Zones (SEZ), gore re ntse re di atolosa jang, re dira jang.

O tlaa fitlhela e le gore Tonota o tshwanetswe ke sengwe sele, kgotsa e bile se se gaisang plant e, se e leng gore se tlaa go itumedisa, se bo se itumedisa le banni ba kwa Tonota gore mme tota Rra Nkamo o ba tsamaetse e le boammaaruri.

Plant e Rra Nkamo ga se yone fela, go gontsi mo go tlang.
Le gone go dira melemo e, o tlaa utlwa gore go tlaa tla go tla molemo o mongwe gape o o bidiwang Pula Vaccine le Pula Corbevax.

O tlaa gakologelwa gore ke 18 Hansard No 205Friday 1st April, 2022STATEMENT UPDATE ON THE STATE OF DRUGS AND MEDICAL SUPPLIES IN HEALTH FACILITIES rona lefatshe lantlha mo Africa gore re nne le molemo o re nang le taolo ya one o gotweng Pula Corbevax.
Go tlaa tla o mongwe o gotweng Pula Vax which is a second generation vaccine, e e dirang botoka go feta mo gotlhe mo go ntseng go le teng.

Ke boammaaruri gore e tlaabo e dirwa mo Botswana jaaka tlhomontšha ya ga Tautona e bua.

Ga go felele fela foo, plant e go na le e e tlaabong e re thusa mo go alafeng dikankere.

Go gontsi thata.

Go na le bo drug compounding ba ba tlaa tlang.


O tlaa bona Botswana jaaka moeng wa rona a ne a bua, e tlaa nna Singapore wa Africa fa go tla go tsena mo dikgannyeng tse tsa botsogo.

Ke a go leboga Mr Speaker.

Ke a le leboga batlotlegi.

Tsweengtsweeng a e re fa re ya mafelong a beke, a re nne lekwalo la gore ba botsogo ba buile dikgang di ntse jaana, re di atolose, Batswana ba ye go ikenta, ba babalesege.

Re leka ka ditsela tse tsotlhe go atolosa molaetsa wa rona.
Re tlatsa lebala gompieno le Franco e le yone thulaganyo ya go leka go ngoka banana gore ba tle go tsaya lemao le.

Honourable Leuwe re go utlwile, re tlaa nna re ntse re bua le bone ba Takatokwane re leka go ngoka babeeletsi gore ba bangwe ba tle to set up koo ka gore thulaganyo ya AFA, ra re ba tseye melemo fa pharmacy e e gautshwanyane le bone.

Ga se gone solution fela, re tlaa tswelela ka go reka melemo re e atolose kwa dikokelong gore batho ba kgone go e bona.
Ke a leboga Mr Speaker, ke a leboga batlotlegi.

MR SPEAKER: Order!

Honourable Members, I understand Honourable Saleshando has an Urgent Motion to move in terms of Standing Order 50.

MOTION FOR THE ADJOURNMENT - DEFINITE MATTER OF URGENT PUBLIC IMPORTANCE Allocation of Tourism Sites at Chobe MR SALESHANDO (MAUN WEST): Ke a go leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente.
Go boammaaruri ke ne ka go direla mokwalo ka di 29th March, go kopa tetla ya go tla go baya kgang ya tshoganetso fa pele ga Palamente, e e leng teng gompieno mo Order Paper ya rona.

O tlaa gakologelwa gore pele fa ke tlisa kopo eo, ke ne ke boditse potso le yone e le ya tshoganetso ka di 23rd March, e amana le kgang e e mo Order Paper ya letsatsi la gompieno.

kitsiso ya gore ba batla go sika mafelo mangwe a a ka fiwang Batswana go tsena mo kgwebong ya bojanala kwa Chobe.
Kgang e on the face of it fa o e lebeletse fa godimo, go lebega e siame thata ka e tlaa tsenya Batswana ba re sa bolong go lela gore ga ba kgone go tsena mo bojanaleng mme e na le ditlamorago.

Ke batla go tsaya fela ka bokhutshwane di le tharo, ke bo ke ema gone foo ke sa role bope bosupi ka gore fa ke letlelelwa go bega kgang, ke gone ke tlaa supang gore bosupi jo ke bo tshotseng ke bofe.
Selo santlha lefatshe la Botswana re tshela re ipelafatsa ka gore re dira mo gotweng evidence-based law making or policy making.

Tshwetso e e tserweng ka dikgang tsa kwa Chobe mo nakong ya gompieno, e ganetsana le bosupi jotlhe jo bo ntshitsweng ke baitseanape e le bogakolodi jo bo beilweng fa pele ga ga Goromente.

Bosupi jotlhe jo bo teng, a o ya ka management plans tsa Chobe tse di fetileng, di supa gore se se dirwang gompieno ga se a siamela bojanala, batho le diphologolo tse di kwa Chobe.
Bosupi bo teng jo bo beilweng fa pele ke batlhalefi ba dikgang tse.

Dikgang tse dingwe tse Tona a neng a di itatola gore ga a di itse tse di tshwanang le tsa gore a go na le congestion kwa Chobe National Park jaaka re bua jaana, bosupi bo teng gore lephata la gagwe le tshotse dipego tsa gore go ntse jalo, go na le congestion.

Go tlhoka gore go fokodiwe palo ya batho gone fa re reng re ya go baya teng mo nakong ya gompieno.
Wildlife human conflict; bosupi bo beilwe pele ke baitsaanape gore se se dirwang gompieno fa se ka diriwa, re ya go bona koketsego mo palong ya kgotlhakgotlhano ya batho le diphologolo ka gore go ya go nna le mo gotweng animal corridors tse di tlaabong diphologolo di sa kgone go feta teng, jaanong go beilwe go na le human movement, batho ba ya go latlhegelwa ke matshelo.

A golo mo go ya go thusa Batswana ka gore ke yone e e beilweng?
Fa o lebelela se se builweng fela kwa Stage 1 gore gotwe a re ka bua le wena ka gore a o mongwe wa Batswana ba ba ka bewang gone fa, gatwe a bo o ka supa bank statements tsa gore o na le bokgoni jwa go tsena gone foo.

Mo tourism go tsena mo mefuteng ya tsone tse, ga se gantsi o bua ka madi a a kwa tlase ga P20 million, ba ba itseng.

Jaanong Batswana ba re ntseng re re nnyaa re batla bo Economic Inclusion, tsamaiso e e ba kgaphetse kwa thoko.
Ke batla go fa mabaka a gore ke eng ke kopa Palamente go letlelela gore re buisanye kgang e mo letsatsing la gompieno.
Tona le lephata la gagwe ba ne ba ntsha Stage 1 gape e supa gore mo nakong e khutshwane, e e bileng tota deadline ya teng e setseng e fetile, o kgonne go dira dilo tse di tshwanang le bo management plan, 19 Hansard No 205Friday 1st April, 2022MOTION FOR THE ADJOURNMENT - DEFINITE MATTER OF URGENT PUBLIC IMPORTANCE market analysis, capital investment plan, tse e leng gore Batswana ba re buang ka bone gore ba kgapetswe kwa ntle, ga ba ye go kgona go tsena.
Fa o tsena kwa go bo Stage 2, e bua ka dikgang tse di tshwanang le tsa bo Environmental Impact Study, tse re itseng gore le tsone ke madi a a seng kana ka sepe, tse di beetsweng nako e khutshwane gore mongwe le mongwe a bo a tsene gone foo.

Closing date ya go tsenya dilo tse ke ntseng ke di bua gone fa, e ne e le 21st March.

Mo o bonang gore go ne go beilwe nako fela e khutshwanyane.

Tona o ne a tlhalosa gore go na le ba ba ngongoregileng kwa go ene.

Ba ntse ba a ngongorega le gompieno.


Le beke e re sa tswang go feta mo go yone, Lekgotla la Hospitality and Tourism Association of Botswana (HATAB) le le okametseng bojanala, le lone le na le dingongorego.

Ba le bantsi ba ntshitse dingongorego, ga go ise go itebaganngwe le tsone.

There are too many unanswered questions.

Management plan o o neng Tona a re ba o lebeletse le gompieno, go a pala gore o ribololwe, o bontshiwe setšhaba gore go na le eng mo teng.
Ke na le bosupi fela jwa gore le bone ba ba kwadileng management plan fa o bona o pala go ntshiwa, ba kopile gore se Puso e ikaelelang go se dira, e tsuolola tumalano e e dirilweng mo mokwalong oo, ba beelwe fa thoko, ba se ka ba bo ba buiwa gore ba amana ka gope le tsamaiso e. Jaanong ka bokhutshwane jo bo kalo, ke kopa gore Palamente e ntetlelele ke fiwe sebaka sa go bega dikgang tse, ke rola le bosupi jo ke bo tshotseng, fa se sa siamela bojanala, Batswana, diphologolo, le baagi ba Chobe.
Ke a leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente.

MR SPEAKER: Thank you Honourable Saleshando.

The question is that the proceedings be suspended to allow for the discussion of a business matter of urgent public importance in terms of Standing Order 50.

MR MANGWEGAPE-HEALY (GABORONE CENTRAL): Thank you Mr Speaker.

Mr Speaker, ke batla go dumalana le Tshutiso ya ga Honourable Leader of Opposition, Honourable Saleshando gore kgang e re ka e atlaatla.
Ke bona go le botlhokwa gore re itebaganye le kgang e ka gore go lemosega fa se Honourable Saleshando a se begang le se Minister a kileng a se bua, e ka re go na le fa e ka reng ga di nyalane teng.

Jaanong ke bona golo mo, bobeding jwa bone, go ka ba fa tshono ya gore ba beye dikgang tsa bone fa pele ga rona, re tle re di utlwe, le Batswana ba di ikutlwele, re tle re kgone gore re dire what we call an informed decision.
Mr Speaker, ke bua se ka gore Minister o setse a kile a bua dikgang tsa gore tota maikaelelo a bone ke go batla go tsenya Batswana mo dikgannyeng tse tsa bojanala especially kwa e leng gore mo nakong e e fetileng go lebega e ne e kare go beetswe bangwe ba ba rileng, gotwe bagwebi ba ba tswang kwa ntle.

Go ne go sa lebega e kare Batswana ba sekei, ba mmala wa sebilo, ga ba na seabe se se ntsi mo gongwe go nneng le tshono ya bone bo river front fa e leng gore bajanala ka bontsi ba eletsa gore ba ye teng.
Jaanong ke ne ke bona gongwe go ka mo fa tshono ya gore re tle re mo utlwe sentle gore a o kgatlhanong le se Honourable Saleshando a se buang.

Honourable Saleshando ka fa a buang ka teng, go lebega e le gore bangwe ga ba itumela, but one can only guess gore obviously some of the people who are not happy with this thing, ke ba ba setseng ba na le lodges gone on the river front.

Jaanong kana it is a given gore anybody yo e leng gore go batla go phadisanwa le ene mo kgwebong, ga a ka ke a dumela.
So motho o ka batla gore a tle go mo reetsa sentle a atolosa dikgang tse gore go ngonogorega bo mang, re kgone to judge tota gore a go ngongorega ba ba setseng ba na le advantage, ba setse ba le mo teng, jaanong ga ba ba tle go tsenngwa ba bangwe, kana e le ruri go ngongorega le bone batho ba Chobe.

Gongwe batho ba Chobe le bone ba bona go na le mathata ka dikgang tse di buiwang tse.
Jaanong Mr Speaker, fa re ka fa Honourable Saleshando tshono ya go tla ka urgency e a e buang e, gongwe go ka re fatlholola, bangwe ba rona ba dirisa dikgang tse e seng gore re di tlhaloganya ka botengteng.

Jaaka re itse, Minister o kile a bua gore ba setse ba kile ba fa ditetla mo dam sites.

O kile a bua ka bo Khutse Game Reserve, Trans- Frontier Park; o kile a bua di le mmalwanyana, mme ga re ise re utlwe di tsosa modumo o re utlwang o tsoga gompieno fa go buiwa ka Chobe.
Rotlhe re a itse gore fa go buiwa ka Chobe, go buiwa kwa madi a leng teng.

Jaanong ga go hakgamatse gore gongwe some interest groups may be opposed to tis allocation e Minister a batlang go e dira, ka gore golo moo go tlaabo go ba fokoletsa letseno, go tlaabo go dira gone mo go tsweng inclusivity; more inclusive economy, go tlaabo go tsenya new players into the market Mr Speaker.

So, I think it is only right to give both of them an opportunity re tle re ba utlwe.

I so submit my Lord.


Thank you very much.

MR NKAWANA (SELEBI PHIKWE EAST): Tlaa ke go leboge Mr Speaker, mo mosong o montle, ke go dumedise, ke dumedise bakaulengwe.
20 Hansard No 205Friday 1st April, 2022MOTION FOR THE ADJOURNMENT - DEFINITE MATTER OF URGENT PUBLIC IMPORTANCE Le nna ke ema Tshutiso e ya ga LOO nokeng ka gore selo sa ntlha re tshwanetse ra dumela gore Minister o kgatlhanong le the existing Management Plan wa Chobe National Park ka gore the existing Management Plan e ne e supile gore go tshwanetse to decongest the movement and the crowding along the river front yone ya Chobe National Park.
If you look at the intended allocations, di beilwe fela gone mo Ihaha, mo e leng gore go tlaabo go dira gore go nne too many lodges and people ba ba tlaa bong ba tsamaya along the river front, gone kwa e leng gore ke matshwenyego, go na le environmental impact particularly that will be exerted by the tourists.
Mr Speaker, ke dumela gore rotlhe re a itse, re a tle re bone gore, fa re tsaya sekai ka national parks tse di tshwanang le bo Kruger National Park gore go diragala eng fa e le gore bajanala ba ka bona tau as one of the big five.

O ya go fitlhela e le gore dikoloi di 20 around that animal, and you can imagine what happens with the behaviour of that particular animal.

Le dikoloi fela tse e leng gore di tswa mo tseleng bush crushing ka gore mongwe le mongwe o batla go e bona.
The moment we crowd this area ka lodges tse di kalokalo, this is precisely what is going to happen.

Ke dumela gore se LOO a buang ka sone, ga a rekwa ke ope.

Nna le ene re dumela thata mo tshomarelong ya diphologolo le tsotlhe tsa environment.

E bile re fa re emetse Batswana gore le bone ba tsene mo bojanaleng.

Management Plan o o leng teng that exists, suggests gore we should move away such activities from the river front.
Re tshwanetse ra neela batho lodges kwa godimodimo in the inter land, mme e ntse e le mo teng ga Chobe National Park to avoid this congestion.

Ga ke eletse gore ke nne moleele Mr Speaker.

Se se leng teng fela ke gore Management Plan o mosha batho ba o ganne, ba kwadile bo Professor Mbaiwa, le ba bangwe gore go se ka ga tladiwa (congest) the river front ya Chobe National Park.

Go tswa kgakala, ga se ka lebaka la gore re itse semangmang.
Nna ga ke itse ope, e bile ga ke lesika le ope mo bathong ba ba setseng ba le teng.

Se se salang ke gore, re tshwanetse gore re babalele tikologo ya rona, diphologolo le parks tsa rona.

Ke a go leboga Mr Speaker.

MR HIKUAMA (NGAMI): Ke a leboga Honourable Speaker.

Le nna ke ne ke re mme re dumalane le mogopolo, ke one o ka dirang gore Batswana le Mapalamente ka kakaretso ba tlhaloganye se se tsamayang mo Chobe.

Fa re ka o itsa go buiwa, gongwe re tlaa itima yone tshono ya go utlwa tse re sa di itseng.
Le gone go ka neela Tona tshono ya go ka phutholola beke ya gagwe sentle gore e rwele eng, se se siametseng Batswana ke eng, se se sa ba siamelang ke eng.

Re tlaa nna le sebaka sa go lekanya dilo.

Ka bokhutshwane Honourable Speaker, ke dumalana le mogopolo o, ga ke batle gore ke tseye nako e ntsi ka ke batla mogopolo o to be debated, re utlwe gore dikgang ke eng, Batswana ba tlhaloganye jaaka Honourable Healy a buile, so that we make decision from an informed position.
Fa re sa o debate, gongwe re tlaa ithola yone tshono eo.

Ka mafoko a a kalo Mr Speaker, ke ne ke re a mogopolo o letlelelwe, o buisanngwe.

Ke a leboga.

OF MINISTER ASSISTANT LOCAL GOVERNMENT AND RURAL DEVELOPMENT (MS MONNAKGOTLA): Good morning Mr Speaker, e bile ke bo ke dumedise Batlotlegi botlhe, ke re a ba dumele mo mosong o montle o. Mo Tshutisong e Mr Speaker, ga ke eme LOO nokeng, ka mabaka.
Mogopolo o wa ga Honourable LOO ke mogopolo oo siameng gore Puso e akanye gore e tshwanetse go aba eight tourism sites ka gore le rona kwa Kgalagadi North re tlhokana le tourism sites.

Go aba tourism sites ke go direla banana ditiro le go tsosolosa itsholelo.

Mr Speaker, Tshutiso e e tla ka nako e e seng maleba, e e seng yone ka gore Expression of Interest ya Lephata la Environment, Natural Resources Conservation and Tourism e ntshitswe ka ngwaga wa 2020.
E le maiteko a Puso gore Expression of Interest e e supang gore Motswana mongwe le mongwe a o kwa Hukuntsi, Shakawe, Zutshwa le Francistown, e bo e le gore o ka iteka lesego gore a tsenye kopo ya gagwe, a ye go dira kgwebo mo mohameng o. Mr Speaker, fa ke lebelela Leader of the Opposition (LOO) o akanya gore tsamaiso e ba Ministry of Environment, Natural Resources Conservation and Tourism ba e dirileng, go raya gore e ka baya bangwe ka fa mosing, jaanong o tseela gore ga e fair.
Expression of Interest kana ke selo se mogwebi mongwe le mongwe mo lefatsheng lotlhe, a ka tsenyang kopo, ga e re semangmang.

E bile ga e re o na le bokae, o e reetse sentle Mr Speaker.

Expression of Interest yone e e neng e tsentswe fa ke reeditse Tona, e ne e le mo tsamaisong yone e e mo molaong wa PPADB.

Ke sone se o bonang ke re ga ke eme LOO nokeng ka gore tsamaiso e ne e siame.

Fa tsamaiso e ne e sa dirwa sentle, ke ka bo ke re ee, mme tsamaiso e ne e siame.
21 Hansard No 205Friday 1st April, 2022MOTION FOR THE ADJOURNMENT - DEFINITE MATTER OF URGENT PUBLIC IMPORTANCE MR MOTAOSANE: Clarification.

Thank you Mr Speaker.

Honourable Monnakgotla, your debate seems to suggest gore you are already debating the Motion.

Gongwe o tlhamalatse kgang gore a re letlelele Motion o gore o buiwe kana jang ka gore jaanong o kare re setse re le kwa pele ga sekotšhekara?

Thank you.

MS MONNAKGOTLA: Ke a leboga motlotlegi.


Ke ne ke batla go ala kgang ke bontsha Batswana gore mme gone kgang e e ka tswelela.

Ga se kgang e e ka tswelelang, tota ga e tlhokafale ka gore tsamaiso e dirilwe sentle.

Puso e dirile sengwe le sengwe sentle, ke sone se o bonang ke ne ke ala kgang e gore tota ga go tlhokafale gore re ka e bua.

Fa e ne e le gore golo gongwe Tona o ne a sa dira dilo dingwe sentle, ke ka bo ke re re e bue.
Kana go tshwana fela Motlotlegi Motaosane, gompieno jaana batho ba ikopela dipolase kwa dikgaolong tsa rona, mme ba apply jalo go le fair.

Ba a di tsaya, mme e bile ga re nke re re ga go fair, go a bo go le fair, e bile ba di tsaya jalo ba le bantsi.

Jaanong dilo tse dingwe ke itse fela gore di siame, jaanong debate e ga e tlhokafale.

Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

HIS HONOUR THE VICE PRESIDENT (MR TSOGWANE): Tla ke simolole fela ke re kana Motlotlegi Tona, ke tsaya ke re o teng, mong wa mafoko.
E bile ke tsaya ke re kgang ya ga Motlotlegi Moeteledipele wa Kganetso mo Palamenteng, ke kgang e a kileng a tla ka yone e le potso ya tshoganetso, jaaka a buile.

Go raya gore tota o bete se molangwana ka kgang e ka gore o ne a e arabiwa ka nako eo.

Gore gongwe re tle re mo utlwe sentle, re mo neele sebaka sone seo, re ka tswa re sa ye go dumalana le ene.
Batswana ba se ka ba re mongwe o ne a buile a re o a dumalana jaanong o a ganetsa, kana ene tota ka gore ke motho yo o nang le bokgoni jo bontsi jwa go fetola, a bo a baakanya mafoko, yo o a utlwang, a bo a tsaya gore yo o a buileng, o a buile jalo.

Re mo neele sebaka sa gore re mo utlwe, e tle e re fa re tla re mo gana, re mo gane.

Ke buisiwa jaana ka gore gone Mme Monnakgotla o buile, ga ke itse gore ke mang yo o mo kgalang ka gore go ntse jalo.
Fa gongwe dikgang tse di felela e le tsa go tsaya sebaka, go ja nako e e botlhokwa ka gore Motions di teng tse di botlhokwa.

Le one o o botlhokwa, jaanong ga a molato gore a bo a supile gore ka fa tebong ya gagwe, o ne a bona gore ga se kgang e e tlhokanang le go buiwa ka gore Tona o tsepame mo dithulaganyong tsa gagwe.

Le yone policy ya rona ya low volume e ntse e teng, ga se gore re dule mo go yone.
Gape ke maikaelelo a rona a re batlang go tla re a tlhatswa sentle, fa re ya ditlhophong, re ne re bua gore re ya go tsenya Batswana ba sekei mo bojanaleng.

Re a itse gore bojanala jo bo ganeletse ntlha e le nngwefela, le ka mmala tota bo ganeletse ntlha e le nngwefela.

Ga go na yo o sa itseng, it is very clear jaanong fa re ne re re re batla Batswana le bone ba nne le seabe mo kgwebong ya bojanala, re ne re tlhoafetse.
Re ne re bolelela Batswana jalo fa re ya ditlhophong, jaanong re batla gore re tle re tsepame mo ntlheng e re utlwiwe sentle.

Le tsone researches tse di dirwang ke baitseanape, nnyaa, researches di dintsi di a dirwa, tse dingwe di e tla di ganetsana.

Le ene Karl Marx fa o ka mo tsosa letsatsi leno, o ya go itatola ideology ya gagwe ka se se diragalang gompieno.

A bo a gakgamala gore dilo tse a neng a di bua ga se tsone, ga di na boammaaruri.
It is like that mo botshelong, jaanong ga se gore re… HONOURABLE MEMBER: O se ka wa bua ka batho ba ba seyong Vice President (VP).

HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… MR TSOGWANE: Nnyaa, ke ne ke rialo fela ke re tla re mo neele sebaka Mr Speaker, re mo utlwe.

E tlaa re re goroga teng, re di bue, re bo re mo tlhalosetsa gore ke eng re sa dumalane le ene mo kgannyeng ya gagwe.

Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.


HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… MINISTER OF EMPLOYMENT, LABOUR PRODUCTIVITY AND SKILLS DEVELOPMENT (MR SHAMUKUNI): Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

Le nna ke ema nokeng mogopolo wa gore Tshutiso e e buisiwe mo letsatsing la gompieno.

Ke kgang ya moruthutha kwa Kgaolong ya Chobe ka gore sites tse go buiwang ka tsone di mo Chobe National Park, kgaolo ya me ya batlhophi.
Ke eletsa go rurifatsa gore sector yone ka boyone e divided over the issue, o fitlhela e le gore the small operators le tour operators, megopolo e a farologana.

Ke maitemogelo a me ka gore bontsi jwa the small tour operators, bangwe ba bona an opportunity on allocating these sites in the park.
Then some of the established operators ba activities ka bontsi are in the park, ke bone ba ba akanyang gore gongwe allocating those sites go ya go kgotlela product e ba ntseng ba e rekisa ka lebaka sustaining tourism ya kwa Chobe.

E rile fa Honourable Leader of the Opposition (LOO) a ala mafoko a gagwe, o ne a supa gore o na le bosupi, pointing to processes dingwe tse di sa tsamayang sentle.
Ke eletsa re mo fe an opportunity ya gore a di bege re mo utlwe, ka gore tota gongwe di tlaabo di le in the interest of community e ke e emetseng.

Gore fa go na le sepe fela se gongwe se sa tsamayang sentle, ba se utlwe.

22 Hansard No 205Friday 1st April, 2022MOTION FOR THE ADJOURNMENT - DEFINITE MATTER OF URGENT PUBLIC IMPORTANCE I have been engaging bilaterally le the Honourable Minister wa Environment, mme o tlhalositse dilo ka bontsi.
Le ditlhaloso tseo ke eleditse thata gore batlhophi ba me kwa kgaolong, particularly those that are involved mo this sector, le bone ba nne le opportunity e e tseneletseng ya gore ba utlwe gore Honourable Minister a re motivation wa gagwe ke eng.
Le rona fela position ya rona as Government, ka maikaelelo a gore re tsenye Batswana mo bojanaleng, e bile re ba tsenya mo mafelong a Honourable LOO bogologolo a neng a re le rona re le Batswana re batla kwa sehubeng, le gore sehuba seo rona in the context of Chobe, re ka se kaya se le mo area efe.

Jaanong ke re a Honourable LOO a fiwe opportunity ya gore a bege kgang ya gagwe, re tle re tlhaloganyane.

Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

ASSISTANT MINISTER OF BASIC EDUCATION (MS MAKWINJA): Thank you Mr Speaker.
Thank you batlotlegi.

Le nna ka re a re letleleleng LOO gore a re tlhalosetse jaaka a kopile.

E bile e tle ene Tona, a ko a boelele mafoko a gagwe jaaka batlotlegi ba setse ba buile.

A re se keng ra e golola batlotlegi, re ba fe motsotso.

Ke a leboga.

Question put and agreed to.

MR SALESHANDO (MAUN WEST): Ke a go leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente.

Ke leboge le Mapalamente otlhe ba ba dumalaneng le kopo ya me.
Mma Monnakgotla tota sa gagwe e ne e le gore re se ka ra lebala gore go na le seane se gotweng, “mafoko a Kgotla a mantle otlhe” kana “mmualebe.” Re ka tswelela, fa nako e ne e letla, re ne re ka mo tlhalosetsa botoka gore kgang ke eng, setlhogo ke eng, o akgetse a sa se utlwa.
Mr Speaker, kopo ya me ka Sekgoa, for purpose of the record ke kopa go e bala, “That this Honourable House resolves that the Expression of Interest (EOI) issued by the Ministry of Environment, Natural Resources Conservation and Tourism in March 2022 be withdrawn and the plan to allocate eight tourism sites be reconsidered to ensure fairness, transparency and strict adherence to the current Chobe Management Plan of 2021 and other Government policies/strategies such as the Chobe River Front Decongestion Strategy.” Mr Speaker, ga ke kgatlhanong le gore Batswana ba tsenngwe mo bojanaleng.
Ditso di tlaa supa le mekwalo e e teng mo Palamenteng gore, ke tswa kgakala ke ntsha kgang e ya gore re kgaphetse Batswana kwa ntle, re tshwanetse ra ba tsenya.

Ga ke batle Batswana ba tsenngwa ka tsela e kamoso go tlaabong go phutlhame, re bo re fitlhela re tsentse Batswana mo mathateng.

A bo jaanong re re ka gore go bonagetse gore ga ba kgone, a re ba ntshe re tsenye ba bangwe ba ba ntseng ba le mo teng.
Sengwe se setona sa ntlha ka kgang e Mr Speaker, ke gore dipatlisiso di dirilwe, tse tsotlhe di supang gore Chobe National Park, bogolo jang the river front, e na le palo e e feteletseng e e sa tlholeng e kgona go letlelela ba bangwe gore ba tsene mo teng.

Se re tshwanetse re se amogele, ka gore fa ga ke bue ka bagwebi bangwe ba ba mo teng.

Go na le dipatlisiso tse di dirilweng di le mmalwa, dingwe e le tse di itiretsweng ke ba ba ikemetseng ka nosi.
Pele fa go diriwa this proposal ya gore go nne le Expression of Interest, ka 2018 Botswana Journal of African Studies Volume No.

32, baitsaanape bangwe ba ne ba kwala pampiri, Rre Emmanuel Mogende le Naomi Moswete.

Ga ke batle go bua thata ka gore ba tswa kwa kae, mme ba ne ba na le ba Okavango Research Institute.

Fa e le gore re batla go tshwenyega ka gore research ya reng, ke kopa gore re ye go bala pampiri eo… HONOURABLE MEMBER: A ko o e boelele gape monna, wa re ke yone mang?
MR SALESHANDO: Botswana Journal of African Studies ya 2018, Volume No.

32.

Mo teng e a supa fela sentle gore, in the Chobe National Park… mma ke simolole fa moragonyana.

Ke simolole ka conclusion gore ya re mathata ke eng, kwa conclusion ya yone e bua e papametse gore go na le dilo dingwe tse di tshwanetseng gore di tseelwe kwa tlhogong.
Ya re, “we conclude that the environmental sustainability of the Chobe National Park is at risk if the problems identified in this study are not addressed.” What are the problems that have been identified?

Kwa godimo ga mathata a ba a buileng, ke congestion e e teng mo Chobe National Park, bogolo jang fa nokeng.

E bile ba supa gore le bajanala ba ba tlang kwa Chobe, ba supa gore ga ba itumelele bokete jwa dikoloi tse di tsenang mo teng fa mojanala a emetse go bona phologolo.
Jaaka Rre Nkawana a ne a bua, se re se bonang se diragala kwa baagisanying, o fitlhela dikoloi di le bo 20 di dikologile diphologolo.

Kgantele le ene mojanala se a neng a solofetse go se bona, ga a se itumelele.

Fa o lebelela gompieno se se buiwang fa gape ke gore, palo e, the area is sensitive ecologically ka gore ba re, “the Chobe National Park is under more pressure on the sensitivity ecology of the park.
The purpose of the study is to assess perceived environmental impacts 23 Hansard No 205Friday 1st April, 2022MOTION FOR THE ADJOURNMENT - DEFINITE MATTER OF URGENT PUBLIC IMPORTANCE of wildlife-based tourism.” Their conclusion in this paper, ya intellectuals, botlhe ba a dumalana gore go na le bothata jwa palo e e teng mo Chobe National Park.

Gakologelwa gore fa Tona a araba, ke na le karabo ya gagwe fa, o rile ene ga a itse sepe ka kgang ya congestion e le Tona.
Either ga a itse lephata la gagwe kana o ne a sa batle go re bolelela boammaaruri, ka gore le kwa lephateng la gagwe, go na le pampiri ke e Mr Speaker e e tswang kwa lephateng, e e buang ka Chobe River Front Decongestion Strategy.

The department e a e eteletseng pele, e itse botoka gona le ene ka gore mathata a a teng mo Chobe National Park.
Fa o tsamaya le dipego tse di dirilweng, management plan o o neng o ntse o le mo tirisong go fitlhelela gompieno, o papametse gore go se ka ga diriwa se Tona a reng se dirwe mo nakong ya gompieno.

O tsuolola ditsamaiso tsotlhe tse di teng tsa lephata.

Tona o ne a re fa ke botsa last week, a bua gore go na le plan e ntšha e e dirilweng.

Mr Speaker, ke na le kgwedi ke kopa this plan.


Ke simolotse pele kwa go Permanent Secretary (PS) wa ga Tona, a nthaya a re, “nnyaa, ke tlaa go e batlela kwa go Director.” Ya se ka ya tla go fitlhelela ke ya kwa go Director.

Director a re, “tlaa ke go buele le Deputy Director”, ga pala go fitlhelela ke bolelelwa gore, “nnyaa, PS o rile o se ka wa e neelwa, ke ene a tlaa go e neelang.” Ka boela kwa go Tona ka mo raya ka re, Tona nthuse, gatwe ke wena fela o ka mphang this new management plan.
Karabo ya ga Tona ya nna gore, “ema pele ke boele kwa go PS ke mmotse gore ke eng a ne a sa go e neele.” O na le more than a week a re o batla go tlhaloganya pele gore ke eng e ka se ke… Ga go na ope wa Mapalamente yo o e itseng.

Twice gotwe it is being launched kwa Chobe, it was cancelled gabedi and postponed.
Ke boditse Tona a very direct question; a go boammaaruri gore le amogetse mokwalo wa ba ba neng ba le thusa go kwala this Management Plan, ba le raya ba re ka gore le dira diphetogo kgatlhanong le se e neng e le bogakolodi, gore fa le ntsha pego eo, maina a bone a se ka a tsena gope mo teng?

A re nnyaa, ga a itse sepe ka kgang ya go nna jalo.
The importance of a consultant ke gore le yone e e neng e ntse e le teng, Plan ya 1992, o tlaa e bona gore le mo covering page, the consultant re mo kwala kwa godimo and there is a reason for that.

Fa o e bala, o itse gore re ne re biditse bangwe ba bomankge ba ba tlhaloganyang se go buiwang ka sone.
Ke bone ba ba kwadileng pego e. Gompieno le fa Tona a re ga a itse sepe, lekwalo le teng le le kwadilweng ke consultants ba kopa gore ka re a bona gore le tsuolola se se mo pegong se re se fileng e le kgakololo, a e re le kwala pego eo, le re ntshe mo teng; re tlhapa diatla.

Lekwalo la teng ke le Mr Speaker, le le kwadilweng ke consultants.

Ga le le telele mme fa Mapalamente ba batla go le ikutlwela, ke ka le bala.
Tona o ne a sa bolelele ruri ka di 23 tsa ga March a araba a re, ga a itse gore lekwalo le tlile kwa lephateng la gagwe ka di 15 tsa ga March, addressed to the PS in the ministry.

If I may, let me just read it because it is just two paragraphs.

MR SPEAKER: Yes.
MR SPEAKER: Yes.

MR SALESHANDO: “We have learnt that the versions of the Management Plans referred to above and what we submitted to the Department of Wildlife and National Parks and which were accepted and approved by Department of Wildlife and National Parks have been changed since our submission and completion of our contract.
If there have indeed been material alterations to the plans as submitted, we, for reasons of professional due diligence, need to ensure that any post-submissions amended version of any of the four documents referenced above are not attributed to the United States Agency for International Development (USAID) funded team who drafted the submitted and approved plans.
Please, therefore, ensure with immediate effect that should any such materially altered version of either plan become adopted and circulated, all traces of the company name, Liam Cassidy Consulting Pty (Ltd), as well as all traces of the names of the team of technical experts are removed entirely from any and all versions of the four documents that have been amended since our submission and completion of the contract.
Sincerely Liam Cassidy Director” Tona o ne a sa re bolelele boammaaruri fa a re kgang o e utlwa ka nna.

Ba ne ba setse ba bone mokwalo.

Either o ne a sa re bolelele boammaaruri kana ga a itse se se diragalang mo lephateng la gagwe jaaka ke tlhalositse.

Fa go ntse jaana, lebaka le le tona le gotweng it is being launched pele, mekwalo e ne ya tswa gotwe nnyaa, pego e ya go simolodisiwa (launched) ka di 17 tsa ga March, 2022 kwa Kasane.
Ga tla mokwalo gatwe nnyaa, di 17 tsa ga March ga di ka ke tsa kgonagala jaanong e tlaa nna di 29 tsa ga March, 2022.

E pala ka gore le bone ba ba ntshitseng madi a gore go ye go dirwa this consultancy, ba setse ba rile ga ba batle go amana le yone.
E seng fela ba ba e kwadileng; the funders have said they do not want to be associated with this report ka gore ba na le information ya gore this issue e e tsentsweng ya sites tsa 24 Hansard No 205Friday 1st April, 2022MOTION FOR THE ADJOURNMENT - DEFINITE MATTER OF URGENT PUBLIC IMPORTANCE lodges, all the evidence e ba neng ba e beile pele, ga e dumalane le tsone.

Jaanong go tswa go itirelwa ke Tona le ba a neng a na le bone gore a re sukunyetseng se re batlang go se dira.

Ga ke dumalane le tsamaiso eo.


Ga se gone ka fa Batswana ba tshwanetseng go tsenngwa mo itsholelong ka teng go dirwa dilo tse di senang boammaaruri.

Part of the problem e e buiwang ka the congestion ya this area ke gore fa o tsenya dikampa gone fa gotweng di ya go tsenngwa teng, dingwe tsa tsone di mo mafelong a e leng gore ke gone fa diphologolo di fetang teng; the animal corridors.

Sone se se raya gore selelo se re ntseng re se bua sa kgotlhakgotlhano ya batho le diphologolo, se a go oketsega.
Ga se ka ke sa bo se oketsega ka gore o tlaabo o le madimabe masika a gago a bolailwe ke diphologolo gone foo.

Ke thulaganyo ya phathi e e busang ka Tona e a e dirang gompieno.

O tsenya matshelo a Batswana mo diphatseng a bo a ba raya a re, ke gone jaaka ke le tsenya mo itsholelong.

Mabitla a santse a ya go epiwa ka tshwetso e Tona a tlaabong a e tsere mo nakong ya gompieno.

A sone se mme a se tlaa solegela Batswana mosola, Honourable Rre Mangwegape Healy kwa Gaborone Central?
Ke kopa o ye go lebelela Expression of Interest (EoI) document.O lebelele tse di batliwang mo teng.

Mma Monnakgotla a re ga gotwe, ba ba nang le madi, ya rialo.

Ya re, we want documentary proof of sources of finance.

Re batla bosupi jwa gore fa e le gore re a itse gore go tlhokafala le jaaka ke bua, P20 million kana P25 million, tlisa dipampiri tsa gore o na le bokgoni jwa gore o ka tlisa o madi a mo tafoleng.
Fa godimo ga moo, e batla boitseanape jo bo tseneletseng jwa go tlhaloganya the tourism market.

Nako e e beilweng, ga go na Motswana ope yo o ntseng a kgaphetswe kwa ntle yo o nang le dikitso tse a ka kwalang proposals tse gotweng di a batliwa gore o bo o ka supa gore indeed, o ka dira a thorough market analysis of the current dynamics in the tourism industry.

O kgona go tlisa le management plans o ntse o se mo teng ga bojanala.
Fa godimo ga moo, ya re, re tlaabo re itebagantse fela le ba ba ntseng ba na le licences tsa tourism for at least two years.

So, Honourable Healy, banana ba ba mo Gaborone Central ba ba ntseng ba reeditse go buiwa gore banana ba Batswana ba mmala o o o buang ba ka tsena, ga go na ope le fa a le mongwefela who qualifies ka gore ba ntse ba sena tourism licences.

Jaanong they are blocked out jaaka re bua mo nakong yone ya gompieno.
Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, policy e re neng re e fetisa bosheng ya tourism, e na le tse e neng e di solofetsa tse e leng gore se Tona a se dirang, ga se tsamaelane le se se builweng.

Re buile ka diversifying the tourism industry bogolo jang re sa remelele thata fela mo diphologolong.

Fa o lebelela Chobe National Park, Mopalamente wa Chobe, go na le studies tse di supileng gore go na le mafelo a a siametseng gore a ka dira bojanala jo e leng gore ga bo diriwe gompieno.
Dikgang di tshwana le tsa the Chobe Forest Areas, go setse go na le studies tsa gore mafelo ao a siametse gore fa re batla to diversify, re bo re ka dira dikgang tsa tourism gone koo.

That is what the policy says.

Policy e re neng re e fetisa ya rialo, mme se Tona a se dirang gompieno, se ganetsana le policy e re e fetisitseng.

Se sengwe se re tshwanetseng re se ele tlhoko ke gore, Tona mo karabong ya gagwe jaaka ke tlhalositse, o itatola mosuke wa dipampiri tsotlhe tse di leng teng.
O itatola kgang ya consultants.

Ke ka se ke ka gakgamala a itatola le policy.

Policy e, e ne e bua gore kwa re ntseng re remeletse teng, re leke go bona gore re dira jang gore re ngokele bajanala kwa mafelong a masha go na le go ya go kgotlhagana.

Policy ya rialo; a re se ka ra ya go kgotlhagana kwa go setseng go le teng.

Se se tona se ke batlang go se supa ke gore, there are many other studies Mr Speaker.
Fa nako e ne e letla, ka gore go le gantsi fa le dira study jaaka ke ne ke bua ka ya Botswana Pula Journal, kwa morago ga yone ba kwadile baitseanape ba bangwe ba le bantsi ba ba kwadileng ka Chobe National Park.Mapalamente ba ka ya go e ipalela.

Ga ke itse report epe e le nngwefela e e ganetsang gore Chobe National Park bogolo jang fa nokeng is congested.
Ga e yo Mothusa Tautona ka tlotlo.Le fa o ka fiwa kgwedi kana ngwaga otlhe wa ya go e batla, kwa ntle ga wena o ka ikwalela e le a political statement mme e se a research document.

Se se teng Mapalamente, ga ke batle go tsaya nako e telele ke bega kgang e. Ke batla go letlelela ba bangwe, re oketse palo ya ba ka kgonang go bua.
Se se teng fela ke gore, se re se dirang gompieno, ka Sekgoa go na le golo mo gotweng “to kill the goose that lays the golden egg.” Yes, Chobe National Park ke yone e e ratiwang go feta mafelo a mantsi mo lefatsheng la Botswana.

Se re lekang go se dira ka go kgotlhaganya dikgwebo gone koo, letseno le re ntseng le re bona ka lefelo lone leo, le a go swa.

Re bolaya bojanala jwa Chobe.

Killing the golden goose is always a good thing in the short-term.

Go siame to try and maximise mo nakong e khutshwane.
But re le baeteledipele, re na le boikarabelo 25 Hansard No 205Friday 1st April, 2022MOTION FOR THE ADJOURNMENT - DEFINITE MATTER OF URGENT PUBLIC IMPORTANCE jwa gore se re se dirang re nne re ipotsa gore se ya go ama jang dikokomane tse di santseng di tlaa tla morago ga rona.
Ba ya go fitlhela go sena toropo ya Kasane, letseno le sule ka gore e ne ya re mo nakong e e fetileng ga nna le baeteledipele ba ba lebelang gaufi, ba bo ba tsaya tshwetso ya gore ka gore e ka re fale go bonala letsenonyana le le botoka, a rotlhe re tabogeleng teng.

Mr Speaker, re setse re tshwana le nako e nneng gotwe banana ba ntshetswa madi e le la ntlha.
Fa o bona yo mongwe a butse car wash, le wena o a taboga wa re ke a go bapa le ene, di bo di nna tlhano kana thataro, pheletsong di bo di jewa tsotlhe.

Re tsamaya fela jalo ka tshwetso e Tona a e tsereng mo nakong e. Ke a itse gore dikgang tse tsotlhe tse Tona o a di itse.

O a itse gore ke eng launch ya the new management plan e pala.

O a itse gore go kwadilwe eng mo the management plan se ba tswang go se fetola kwa bothokong.
O a itse gore se ba se dirang ga se mo gotweng evidence-based decision making, o ikgatholositse bogakolodi jotlhe.

Se ke se kopang gompieno ga ke re re tswalele Batswana kwa ntle, ke ne ke re Palamente e tseye tshwetso ka kgang ya gore ka matshwenyego otlhe a a leng teng, a e beelwe fa thoko.

A e beelwe fa thoko e ye go sekwasekwa sešha gore Batswana ba ka tsenngwa fa kae mo bojanaleng.

DR GOBOTSWANG: On a point of elucidation.

Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.


Ke ne ke re mo point e ya consultants Honourable Leader of the Opposition (LOO), go tlwaelesegile mo Pusong gore fa ba batla consultant, tota gantsi o fitlhele e le gore Puso e setse e na le dikakanyo dingwe tse e batlang gore consultant a ye go di rurifatsa.
Go teng golo moo, mme o tlaa fitlhela e le gore mo kgannyeng e ya consultants tse ba neng ba di hirile, jaanong ba kopane le bo mmantswitswidi ba e leng gore ga ba batle fela gore madi, ba lebile boleng le boitseanape jwa bone mo e leng gore ga ba ka ke ba ba dumela gore se ba itseng gore ke boammaaruri sa boitseanape se ye go sokamisiwa jaaka Goromente gongwe a batla go sokamisa.

Ke mathata a Goromente a lebaganeng le one gompieno.

Ke a leboga Honourable LOO.

MR SALESHANDO: Ee.


Ke a itse gore Rre Gobotswang ke mongwe wa babatlisisi ba ba dirileng research.

Nna ga ke na boitseanape jwa teng.

Ke a belaela gore mo o go buang mo go a tleng go diriwe ke Puso can be classified as intellectual fraud or intellectual dishonesty.
“Tla o nkwalele se ke batlang go se utlwa,” baitseanape ba dira jaaka ba ba dirile gore rona re le file kgakololo e e leng gore e ikaegile ka bosupi, e e leng gore dithuto tsa rona di supa fa e le yone e go ka tsamaisiwang ka yone.

Fa le tsaya tshwetso le le Goromente a rona re se ka ra tsenngwa mo teng.

HIS HONOUR THE VICE PRESIDENT (MR TSOGWANE): On a point of clarification.

Ke ne ke re kana re bua ka consultancy and different views and both views are correct jaaka Dr Gobotswang a bua.
Mme kana consultancy le yone is not law cast on stone.

Ke raya gore o ka nna wa nna le consultancy ya bua se e se buang as long as o sa fetole se e se kwadileng o re ba kwadile ba re mme wena o na le a plan e o batlang go tswelela ka yone.

A go tlaabo go le molato kana o bua fa e le gore go fetola pampiri eo gotwe ba ne ba re mme ba ne ba sa rialo?

MR SALESHANDO: Mr Speaker, kana ba rialo, ke consultants di reng re utlwa fa le fetotse se se neng se kwadilwe.
Remember ba kwadile fela gore “this plan was also approved by the Department of Wildlife and National Parks,” fa ba sena go e submit.

E buisantswe and then approved.

In conclusion, I am challenging the Minister today, release the plan today.

Re neele plan, e se ka ya nna gore o araba potso ya Palamente o re, “we are in compliance with the plan” e bonwe ke wena o le nosi.

Ke kopa Minister gore mo go fetoleng ga gagwe a ntshe plan today ka gore e a pala jaaka ke bua.
It has been hide and seek for me as a Member of Parliament go bo ke kile ka taboga fa morago ga gagwe, Permanent Secretary (PS) le Directors tsa gagwe mme ka boa ke iphotlhere.

Kwa ga lona Mr Speaker fa go ntse jalo gakere ke gone fa go a tleng gotwe chingwenyana chiapo.

Go siasia mo ga go reye gore ke gore ga ba bone nako, se teng se se fitlhiwang, se ka batliwa se ka bonwa.
So, any response today ya ga Tona ke kopa gore it should be accompanied by the release of that plan ka gore go ntse gotwe it being launched.

Jaaka ke bua, e ne e beetswe date gotwe 17th March, it is being launched kwa Kasane mme ga folotsa, gatwe 29th March it is being launched, ga folotsa.

Ke na le mekwalo e e supang gore le balalediwa ba tlotla ba ne ba kopile gore ba se ka ba bo ba nna le bontlha bope mo thulaganyong e ya to launch, ba ne ba nkgogela kwa morago, ke sone se go palang.
Ga ke batle go bala mekwalo ya teng ka gore ke tlaabo ke patelesega go bala gore o kwadilwe o tswa kwa go mang, yo ke sa batleng go mo tsuolola, mme Tona ene fa e le gore o mo taolong kwa lephateng la gagwe o a ba itse.

Therefore, Mr Speaker I move accordingly.

Thank you.

26 Hansard No 205Friday 1st April, 2022MOTION FOR THE ADJOURNMENT - DEFINITE MATTER OF URGENT PUBLIC IMPORTANCE MR SPEAKER: Order!

Order!
Order!

Honourable Members, in terms of Standing Order 50.4, the debate on this Motion will be limited to a maximum of two hours, that is the debate starting from now.

MINISTER OF ENVIRONMENT, NATURAL RESOURCES CONSERVATION AND TOURISM (MS KERENG): Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

How many minutes do I have?

MR SPEAKER: 20.

MS KERENG: 20 minutes.

I thank you Mr Speaker.

Mma ke dumedise Ntlo e e tlotlegang e mo mosong wa Labotlhano.

Ke lebogele gore batlotlegi le bo le dumalane le gore kgang e e tsene e buiwe.
Le rona re dumalana gore e buiwe ka bofefo ka ntlha ya mabaka a le setseng le a buile a gore kgang e e tsositse kgang ya moruthutha, mme e tshwanelwa ke gore fa re ka e ala ra ba ra e tšhotlha mo Palamenteng, re tlaa kgona go thusa Batswana gore ba tlhaloganye gore go diragala eng re bo re tlhatswe le dikgang tse ba tshwanetseng ba di itse ka maikaelelo a Puso e a dirang.
Ke tlile go tsamaya mo pegong e ke supa se se diragetseng, ke se supa ka fa semolaong ka fa ditsamaisong tsa Puso, ka fa maitlamong a Puso le ka fa ditsamaiso di re letlang gore re dire eng re se ka ra dira eng.

Mme e tlaa re fa ke ntse ke tla ke tlaabo ke tla ke ntse ke araba tse Honourable LOO a di buang.

Pele ga ke simolola tlhaloso e, ke batla go papamatsa gore Honourable LOO fa a sa bue boammaaruri ga ke na go diega, ke tsena mo pegong ke sa tlhatswa dikgang tse a di buang.
Mo potsong ya gagwe e a e mpoditseng beke e e fetileng o ne a re fa a bua ka mosuke a bo a bua ka one a itebagantse le lodges and ke rile nna ga ke itse lodges tse di dirileng mosuke kwa Chobe National Park fa tlase ga noka.

Lefelo le re buang ka lone mo nakong ya gompieno, go na le lodge e le nngwefela mo lefelong leo.

So, o ne a bua ka lodges a bo a re go mosuke, ke ne ke ganetsa sone seo.
E nngwe kgang e a papametseng ka yone gore ke itatotse gore ga ke itse ka dipego tse e leng gore ke dingongorego tse di tlileng mo ofising, potso e fa ke e araba ke tlhalositse gore the formal complaints… kana fa ke re formal complaints, ke raya mokwalo o kwaletswe nna, ofisi kana lephata, tse ke nang le tsone ke tse di ntseng jang, ka di tlhalosa gore go na le batho ba ba kwadileng lekwalo jaana go bo go nna le dingongorego tse di ntseng jaana tsa mofuta o o ntseng jaana.
Pego e a e buang a re go kwadile mang lekwalo le a ntseng a le bua le, ke batla go papamala gore ga ke na lone Mr Speaker.

Jaanong Honourable Leader of the Opposition o supa gore o bereka mo lephateng, o kgona go tsena mo diofising, a batle, go bulwe files go tsewe dilo tse di santseng di le mo circulation, a botse kwa, a batle kwa a reng.

Ya bofelo, o bua ka Management Plan o a reng ga a o bona a leka go thusiwa.
Mr Speaker, Honourable LOO o tlile a nteletsa ka letsatsi le re neng re tsene Committee of Supply, while we were briefing Committee of Parliament, a nteletsa ka gore o ne a seyo mo phuthegong eo, “ke kopa report ele ya kwa komiting ka gore ke ne ke seyo, mme legale le dingwenyana.” Ka nako eo ene o setse a tswa kwa Lephateng la Diphologolo kwa a tshotse tse a di tsereng, a kopile sele, a buile le Permanent Secretary, go le mosuke.
Jaanong fa a setse a kopa Management Plan ka nako e e latelang kana malatsi a a latelang ke bo ke re nnyaa, mme ka gore o a re ba go solofeditse Management Plan, ga se gore o utlwe gore ba re o kae pele fa o tla kwa go nna.

Ke batla go supa gore golo mo e reng re tshwere dikgang le tiro mo diofising re bereka, re bo re tsenelelwa hei!

tlisang se, come on, dirang se!

golo mo ke public, tse dingwe re ise re fetse ka tsone tse re neng re santse re le mo go tsone Mr Speaker, golo moo ga go amogelesege.
Ke batla go feta ka dikgang tse di bophara tsa kgang e e diragalang.

Ke boammaaruri lephata le ntshitse pego e le pego ikopelo ya gore Batswana maikaelelo a rona a Puso re santse re a diragatsa.
Re batla go le tsenya mo mhameng wa bojanala, re atolosa bojanala, e bile re itlamile le ka State of the Nation Address (SONA), Tautona o ne a supa gore e a go re mo maitekong one a gore re bulele Batswana ditshono mo bojanaleng re tlaabo re bulela ditshono tsa bojanala gore Batswana ba tsene kwa Chobe National Park le Okavango Delta le jalo.
E bo e le gore fa re dira lenaneo la bo Economic Recovery and Transformation Plan (ERTP) re fetola re bo re tokafatsa mananeo a Puso go leka go fetlha ditshono gore Batswana ba kgone gore ba tsene re atolose bojanala, re bo re dirile jalo.

Ke supe gore le maikaelelo a rona a BDP, re teng foo gore re tlile go bula ditshono tsa mebereko le tsa itshetso re dira ka mananeo a a tshwanang le a bojanala.

Mr Speaker, ke batla go feta ka ya gore ga re simolole gone fa.
State of the Nation Address e ne e supa gore re tlaa tsena mo go bo Chobe National Park jalo, re bo re bua ka protected areas fela as a general strategy.

Mo ngwageng o o fetileng re ne ra simolola go neela 27 Hansard No 205Friday 1st April, 2022MOTION FOR THE ADJOURNMENT - DEFINITE MATTER OF URGENT PUBLIC IMPORTANCE Batswana kwa matamong, ra bua gore re tla le neela ditsha tsa bojanala mo matamong gore le ye go dira bojanala jo bo farologaneng koo.
Re setse re ntse re le mo thulaganyong ya teng, mme re tlaa tloga e bile re saena dikonteraka le ba bangwe ba matamo a bo Shashe le Gaborone Dam jalo.

Ra bo re ya ka kwa game reserves; Khutse Game Reserve, Central Kgalagadi Game Reserve (CKGR), le Kgalagadi Trans-Frontier Park re bulela campsites.

Campsites di le about 48 were identified gore di tlaa neelwa Batswana.

Mo nakong ya gompieno re mo thulaganyong gore re tle to award, re ntshe dikonteraka mo go di le 41 mo go tsone tseo.
Mr Speaker, ke bua jaana go leka go supa gore dilo tse re di diragaditse fela ka tsela e e tshwanang le e ya gore re di anamise ka ikopelo e e phatlaladitsweng.

That is where the transparency is all about, e bo go ikopelwa ke tsela e e ntseng jalo, mme modumo ga re a o utlwa.

Legale go siame gore fa re tsena kwa Chobe go bo go tsogile lesukasuka jaana, ka gore re tsene teng ka kwa sehubeng.
Ke lebogela fa ene Honourable LOO a supa gore ke selelo sa rona ba rotlhe re le baeteledipele, gore a Batswana ba bulelwe ditshono.

Jaanong re tsene fa sehubeng.

Kana se re se buang gompieno ke gore, sehuba se se santse se na le gore se ka ngathoganwa Mr Speaker.

Bangwe ba nna ba tsena mo go sone ra nna re ntse re atologa koo.
Tla ke tle le dikgang ke supe gore thulaganyo e ya gore re re Batswana ba ka ikopela mme re tlaa ba neela mo national park, molao wa Wildlife Conservation and National Park o a supa mo Section 60 (d) e e neelang Tona thata le taolelo ya gore ka mananeo a Puso le priorities tsa Puso, re ka tsaya ditshwetso, Tona o ka tsaya tshwetso ya gore mme lebang, le sekasekiseng gore re ka se ke re re mo maitlamong a rona ra bula ditshono ka kwa diphakeng jalo.
Re a bo re diragatsa maikaelelo a go nna jalo, mme e bo e re mo Regulations tsa molao o jaanong tsone di fa the Director of the Department, gore Director o ka laolela gore Management Plans di dirwe.

E bua jalo mo Part 6 ya teng gore Director ke ene motsamaisimogolo wa national plans.
Fa e le motsamaisimogolo wa national plans, go raya gore o fiwa le yone taolelo go ya ka Regulations tse, gore o ka laola gore di dirwe leng, jaaka re na le thulaganyo ya gore di tshwanetse gore di bo di tsamaya ka bo five years jaana.
E bile e supa mo go number three; ke part two Mr Speaker number three e e buang ka Management Plan le Director, mme mo go number three wa teng under three eo, e supa gore the Director o ka emisetsa bontlha bongwe fela kana bope mo teng ga Management Plan fa a bona go tshwanela gore go ka nna jalo.
Fa e ntse e tswelela e bo e supa gore Management Plan fa o seyo, Director o ntse o laolela gore fa Tona a ntshitse taolo ya gore go ka simolola ga tlamelwa teng kwa ditshetseng tseo tsa go nna jalo kana ditlhabololo fela dipe mo phakeng, o ka laola gore go nne jalo.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ke kopa Honourable Minister.

tlhaloso MS KERENG: Ke bua ka Regulations.

E bo e go bolelela gore… HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ke raya o ntse o le gone foo Honourable Minister, ke kopa tlhaloso.
MS KERENG: Tla ke wetse seele se ka gore ke santse ke ala kgang, ga ke ise ke bo ke bue.

E bo e supa gone gore fa Management Plan o le Draft o ntse o ka dirisiwa gone gore re tsweledise dikgang tse.

Ke ne ke re ke fete ka tsone ke tseye tlhaloso Honourable Gobotswang.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Fa Mr Speaker a ntetlelela.

MR SPEAKER: Honourable Gobotswang.

DR GOBOTSWANG: Yes, Honourable Minister, kana Honourable LOO tota o ne a ikepetse mo go reng go na le kgang ya evidence-based practice.
O ne a remeletse mo dipatlisisong tsa boitseanape, jaanong e re o ntse o bua gore… ke ne ke batla go itse gore fa o ntse o re o na le dithata, le tsaya ditshwetso, lona le a bo le beile mo go eng ka gore tsholofelo ke gore le bo le beile mo boitseanapeng jo bo tseneletseng.

What informs your policy strategies wena le Director mme reports di bua ka go sele Honourable Minister?
MS KERENG: Fa o ka utlwa o re o santse o bua e bo motho a setse a go tsena ganong, o a bo a sa batle gore o tle o tsene kwa dikgannyeng.

Mr Speaker, tla ke tswelele.

Yo o dia nako ka gore ke rile ke ikaelela go tsena mo dikgannyeng tsa teng.

Management Plan Mr Speaker o teng and it is in the final draft form.

Ke supile gore Management Plan o o teng…ga ke itse gore o o tshotsweng ke Honourable LOO ke ofe, o a reng, ga o na dilo tse ke supang gore di teng.
E bile ka o ne a kopa gore Management Plan o o nne teng kana le o neelwe, ke tlaa le o neela.

Mme ke ne ke batla go e ala gore tsamaiso ya Management Plan o e tsamaya ka tsela e e ntseng jang.
Mr Speaker, mo nakong ya gompieno ke tlaa supa gone gore the zoning in the parks fa e dirwa ka Management Plan le one o o neng o ntse o le teng 28 Hansard No 205Friday 1st April, 2022MOTION FOR THE ADJOURNMENT - DEFINITE MATTER OF URGENT PUBLIC IMPORTANCE pele wa 2008, e dirilwe jalo Management Plan o mme o supa gore go na le zones tse di kgethegileng mo teng ga phaka, tse e leng gore mo teng go na le zones tse di ka dirang bojanala jo re batlang gore re bo tlhabolole kana re bo rotloetse mo nakong ya gompieno.
Fa re setse re ya go bua ka diphetogo tse di nnileng teng ka gore ka bo 2008 foo go ne go sa tsenelelwe thata mo go reng go ka buisanwa kana ga kgweelediwa kwa go reng a go diragale ditirelo, a go tlhabologwe, go atologe.

Fa re lebile Tourism Policy gompieno, policies tsa bo Climate Change bo ERTP jalo le Citizen Empowerment, go tlamega gore re tseye ditshwetso tsa gore Management Plans di ka ya kwa re batlang teng kwa re ntse re diragatsa ka fa molaong.
Ke boammaaruri, go na le batsayakarolo mo go direng Management Plan oo.
Go na le consultant le ba ba neng ba ntshitse madi e le United States Agency for International Development (USAID) mme mekwalo e a reng e kwadilwe gore re ntsha maina le gore re dire jang, ke batla go supa fela gore re le lephata le Puso le Department, re na le boikarabelo jwa gore fa re dirile consultancy, consultant o a tla ka recommendations jaaka Honourable Leader of the House a ne a bua, recommendations fa di tla rona re lebelela gore se se re letlelelang ka fa molaong re ka dira further consultations, re bo re bona gore go diragala jang in terms of that Management Plan.
Mr Speaker, re mo maikaelelong a rona a Puso.

Ke batla go supa gore go na le zones tse di letlelesegang, di tlhotlhomisitswe gore di a dumalana.

Tsamaiso e ya to identify kana go batlisisa the appropriate lodge sites tse eight tse, ke supe gore re bua ka park e e boitshegang, mme fa e boitshega jaana o tlaa gakgamala gore fa re re di eight lodge sites tota ke eng go tshwanetse gore go nne gotwe go tlaabo go le mosuke.

Ditlhotlhomiso tsa boranyane di re thusitse go dira jalo.
Surveys and mapping e dirilwe ka gore thulaganyo e re ne re e tshwaraganetse le ba Lands, gore ba ye go bona gore fa re batla go atolosa sehuba se go ka nna le sites fa kae le e seng fa kae.

Batlotlegi gongwe le setšhaba se akanya gore re tlaabo re lebile gore tsotlhe tse di mo nokeng, mme fa go ne go lebilwe the ecological sensitivity ya lefelo leo ka bophara.
Tse dingwe lodge sites tseo ga di ka kwa nokeng, di potile tsela ka kwa fa molemeng fa ke ya kwa bophirimatsatsi, go katoga fa e leng gore ka kwa nokeng go tlaabo go le borai gore go ka bewa lodge koo.

Di aname ka tsela e e ntseng jalo.

Mo kgannyeng ya corridors, o bua gore kana go tlaabo go sena fa diphologolo di tsamayang teng.

Ke supe gore lodge sites tse fa di ne di tlhomiwa, di farologane ka bo two kilometres (km) Mr Speaker, go supa gore metsamao ya diphologolo ga e a tswalelwa.
E bile re ne re dirisa maranyane ao a mapping go supa gore re ne re etse tlhoko gore diphologolo di tsamaya jang.

E bile diphologolo tse fa di ya nokeng ga di tsamaye ka tselana e nngwefela, ditselana tse di dintsi, di aname fela le mokgwatlha o o boitshegang.

Di ne di supiwa (marked) jalo gore e re fa go dirwa lodge site, e bo fa gare ga tsone go ga gona mosuke o o ntseng jalo.

Selo se sengwe se go ngongoregiwang ka sone Mr Speaker… HIS HONOUR THE VICE PRESIDENT (MR TSOGWANE): On a point of elucidation.
Re a go utlwa Minister le fa nako e go tšhaetse.

Tota o e buile, le Motswana mongwe le mongwe yo o ithutang dilo tse a itse Botswana, o ka bona gore kgang e phefo gatwe e fokela kae.

Kgang e ga e farologane thata le dikgang tsa bo CKGR, kwa mine o o neng wa dirwa, ga tsoga modumo gore ga le ka ke la dira mine mo teng ga CKGR.

Mine wa felela o dirilwe mme ga re a bona sepe se se borai ka one.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ga o bereke gompieno.


HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… MS KERENG: Ke kopa go garela batlotlegi.

Thank you very much Honourable Leader of the House.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Honourable Minister, ke kopile clarification.

MS KERENG: O bona gore ke na le six minutes fela.

Granted in half a minute Honourable Moatlhodi.

MR MOATLHODI: On a point of clarification.

Thank you very much Honourable Minister, through you Honourable Speaker.

MR SPEAKER: Yes please.


MR MOATLHODI: Ke a leboga morena wa me.

Ka mantswe a mangwe, ka ditlhaloso tse tsa gago Motlotlegi Mmaetsho Tona, o latola mosuke o re o utlwang gore go ya go nna mosuke?

MS KERENG: Ee rra.

Tlhaloso ya ntlha e ke e dirileng ke ya gore mosuke o Honourable Leader of the Opposition (LOO) a neng a bua ka one a re go mosuke kwa potsong, ke ne ke tlhalosa gore o ne a rile wa hotels le lodges, ke rile ga dio.
Mosuke by the river side o teng ka gore batho ba a bo ba tswa teng ka kwa Kasane 29 Hansard No 205Friday 1st April, 2022MOTION FOR THE ADJOURNMENT - DEFINITE MATTER OF URGENT PUBLIC IMPORTANCE kwa hotels le lodges tse dintsintsi tse di kwa Kasane, including mobile operators.

Go be go nna le gore batho ba ya go latela diphologolo ka kwa nokeng.

Mosuke o teng ga ke o ganetse, ke ne ke ganetsa wa lodges ka gore lodge e nngwefela fa lefelong le re buang ka lone.
Mme ke bue ka decongestion strategy ke santse ke le kwa mosukeng Honourable Moatlhodi.

O ne a bua gone gore re emise re ye go lebelela decongestion strategy.

Decongestion strategy ke strategy se e leng gore se leka gore re bule park re bulele ditshono tse dingwe go leka go phatlalatsa, go se ka ga kgobokanelwa fela ka kwa nokeng.

So thulaganyo e re e dirileng ke yone decongestion yone eo, wena o tlaa tloga o re ke congestion.

Gone mme re tsamaisitse dithulaganyo tsa gore mosuke o se ka wa nna teng.
Jaanong go leka go anamisa, go gasagasanyana fale le go atolosa facilities, it is decongestion.

Another way ya decongestion Mr Speaker, because go tlaabo go na le businesses di ntse di aname jalo, mosuke kwa diphologolo ka kwa nokeng, o fokotsege.

O ya go fokodiwa jaana; re tlaabo re ya go bula alternative routes tse e leng gore batho fa ba tsamaya mo game drives, ga ba na go tlhoka go bona diphologolo.

Se e leng gore ke bothata gompieno, fa batho ba tsamaya jaana, ba dirisa route e one.
Route e one e ke yone e ba isang ka kwa nokeng ka gore diphologolo di ya koo.

Why?

Diphologolo tse ga gona gope kwa di ka bonang metsi teng, especially fa e le nako e e omeletseng.

Jaanong re ya go epa didiba koo, it is part of decongestion strategy, le gore diphologolo di kgone go bonwa elsewhere kwa go katolosang mosuke.

Le bajanala ba sa ngongorege gore kana nna re tswa ka kwa mme ga re a bona diphologolo, kante tsone di ka kwa nokeng tsotlhe.
Go kile ga nna le kgang ya Environmental Impact Assessments (EIAs).

Mr Speaker, re tsere tshwetso ya gore EIAs di tlaa dirwa ke ba ba tlaabong ba filwe mafelo ao gore go nne le EIA e e tsepameng mo the kind of project e e tlaabong e dirwa.

Re tle re kgone go di laolela gore mme fa e le gore go ntse jaana, design ya gago e tshwanetse gore e nne jaana go leka go tsena mo teng ga the environmental considerations ya lefelo leo.
The Strategic Environmental Assessment e e kgonang go dirwa pele ga dilo tse, e ne e ka re kgoreletsa ka gore re tlaabo re re generally golo fa go ka nna lodge, re bo re sa kgone go tsenelela mo the actual developments tsa facilities di tlaabo di ya go ema ka tsela e e ntseng jang Mr Speaker.

Re batla gore EIAs di dirwe kwa morago.

Mme ke tsene mo go ya low volume high value principle.
Re santse re e tshwere, ke sone se o bonang mo gompienong lodge sites tse eight tse, go na le prescription ya gore palo ya rooms ga e ka ke ya nna bo 200, bo 100 jaaka go ntse kwa Kasane.

The maximum will be 75 and will be working on a minimum level ya operation of the facility Mr Speaker.

Kana fa o bona re sa tsenya bo campsites le guest houses, dilo tse go kgonang gore go bo go nna mosuke, e bo go raya gore tse dingwe ke tsa bo P2, o tsenya le wa P1000, go bo go sa tsamaelane.
We are maintaining the high value principle in this regard Mr Speaker.

Go na le e nngwe ke e gatwe go na le mafelo a mangwe ka kwa bo Nogatshaa fa e le gore le batla go bua ka diversification, yang ka koo.

Ka re re santse re na le fa re ka atolosetsang teng fa sehubeng.

Golo kwa ba go bueng koo ke mo gotweng le se ka la atamela fa, tshamekelang kwa kgakala.

Mr Speaker, ra re re tlaa goroga kwa forest reserves mme fa re bone lehura le Batswana le bone ba ka kgonang gore ba tsene mo go lone.
Fairness, a mme gone go nnile le yone?

Mr Speaker, re ntsha expression of interest e le gone gore transparency le fairness di tlaa nna teng ka gore it is going to be a competition.

Mme ke supe gore fa re tsenya Batswana mo bojanaleng jaaka gompieno, a mme ra re fa re re motho ke Motswana o tshwanetse gore a tsene, ra re bokgoni re se ka ra bo lebelela gore a motho yo o ka kgona to operate that business?
Kana ke sone se e reng fa re bua ka gore re ka empower Batswana jang go kgona gore ba nne competitive, we cannot bring down the standard Mr Speaker.

We have to have minimum standards tse e leng gore businesses tse di tlaabo di dira ka tsone.

Ke sone se re reng Batswana fa re tsena, re lebelele gore mme capacity building e ka nna eng.

E bile gape re rotloetsa joint venture partnerships tse e leng gore di sa le di re berekela in our module ya high value operations.
Le community trusts tota di kgona to run the five star hotels di tshwaragane le ba ba nang le bokgoni Mr Speaker.

Dinako tsa gore gongwe tender e tsamaye ka bofefo e le come one, come on, nnyaa PPADB Act ya re minimum of four weeks to flag a tender.

We have been operating within that.

Ke dumela gore dikgang tse re tsamaile sentle.

Mr Speaker, fa ke wela, batlotlegi, ke batla gore fa le tsena mo kgannyeng e le e lebelele ka tsela e e ntseng jalo.
Selo sa ntlha a gatwe re se ka ra bulela Batswana, nnyaa mme ra rialo mme gone re lebeletse dilo tse di ntseng jaana.

The scientific approaches were applied in the whole of this processes and ga gona sepe se se reng 30 Hansard No 205Friday 1st April, 2022MOTION FOR THE ADJOURNMENT - DEFINITE MATTER OF URGENT PUBLIC IMPORTANCE le fa management plan o le draft, we cannot go ahead with these decisions and bring down development.
10.6 hectares Chobe National Park, three hectares per establishment cannot be construed as a disruption.

I thank you Mr Speaker.

MR SPEAKER: Honourable Shamukuni.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: O ile Kasane.

HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… MR SPEAKER: Honourable Minister Shamukuni.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ga a tsholetsa.

MR SPEAKER: O tsholeditse.

Honourable Molale.

HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… INFRASTRUCTURE AND MINISTER OF HOUSING DEVELOPMENT (MR MOLALE): Thank you Mr Speaker.
Ke kopa go ganetsa Motion o fela thata le gone ke menne phatla.

Mabaka ke a; ke tsaya gore jaanong setšhaba se simolotse go bona kwa go iwang teng mo Palamenteng.

Fa go buiwa mo Palamenteng e, ke gore fa selo se ya kwa se siametseng Batswana teng, go tsoga modumo.

E ne ya re COVID-19 e simolola, fa Puso e tsaya tshwetso ya gore go ya go dirwa jang, you made a ruling maloba ka gore go ne go ntse go ganediwa Mr Speaker, bangwe ba ema mo Palamenteng e ba re COVID-19 ga e yo.
Maloba e rile gape go simolodisiwa Constitutional Review, ga tsoga modumo mo Palamenteng e, mme Puso ya ga Tautona Masisi ya tswelela.

E bile ba bangwe ba ba neng ba tsosa modumo bao, e re fa ba tsena kwa dikgaolong ba bo ba raya batho ba re Constitutional Review e etla, ipaakanyeng.

Ke tsaya gore Batswana ba bona trend e. go simolola go bona gore Batswana ba a neelwa.
Kana go neela Batswana, ga go tewe go phakisa, ga e ka ke ya re re bona gore Motswana yo ga a kake a kgona go aga lodge kwa Chobe National Park, re bo re mo neela, ka gore we would be playing back to the music ya bone batho ba ba ganang.

Ba tlaabo ba re go ne go phakisiwa fela go neelwa bo semangmang, ke ba ba a palelwa ba.
The point I am making ke gore case ya Chobe National Park ke nngwe ya tse di ganediwang jaaka ke tla ke e fa dikai tsa dilo tse di ganediwang, mme e le dilo tse e leng gore ke maitlamo a Puso e ya ga Tautona Masisi gore re ya go di diragatsa, and re a di diragatsa.

Ke sone se ke reng ke gana Motion o ke menne phata.

Ga go na boammaaruri mo go reng batho ga ba a fiwa nako e e lekaneng.

220 people, e bo mo go bone go tlhophiwa 75 for 8 sites, hee banna!

ga se boammaaruri.
ga se boammaaruri.

Batho ba ntse le tshono ya gore ba ye kwa site visits.

Now, 75 ke yone e neng ya dira expressions of interest.

Consultation le expression of interest ke dilo tse di farologanyeng.

Expression of interest ke jaanong go tsena on tenders, consultation e ne e le ka tiriso ya park e batho ba Chobe bontsi jwa bone ke utlwang gotwe ba dumetse.

Ga ke tlhaloganye gore gatwe go rileng ka gore ra re re ya go neela Batswana gore ba tsene mo bojanaleng.
Selo se sengwe se re tshwanetseng go se lemoga Mr Speaker ke gore, fa o hirile consultant o le Goromente, ga se gore jaanong a tseye setilo sa gago a itire Goromente.

Batho ba ba neng ba hirilwe ba, fa e le gore ba ne ba ithaya ba re ba tlile to dictate to Goromente gore ba dire jang, and gape re ipotsa gore ke …(Inaudible)…fa go dirwa planning, ya re batho ba ba raya ba re go buiwa ka sites, ba bo ba gana go kwala ka tsone, ba ne ba ganela eng?

Why did they refuse?


Gongwe they thought we were a banana republic.

Maloba re ne re bua molao wa Economic Inclusion Act, go tsogile tlhatlharuane mo Palamenteng.

Maabane Mr Speaker, Rre Morwaeng o ne a re o tsenya molao wa Standing Committee on Remuneration of Politicians, e e rileng at your General Assembly, we were all in agreement gore golo mo go urgent, a re go dire.

Fa re tsena fa mo Palamenteng, in front of the public, re simolola re bua in forked tongues.
Jaanong gompieno re bua ka citizen empowerment, re tlhola re bua, e bile re kgalwa ke bangwe mo Palamenteng e ba bua gore kwa bojanaleng Batswana ga ba yo, go neelwa batho ba mmala o o rileng.

Puso ya ga Tautona Masisi e buile, le kwa Maun o ne a bua, ke ne ke le teng, gore re ya Department of Wildlife is not Government, fa go dirwa consultancy e e ntseng jaana, e felela e dumalanwa ke Puso not an individual in a department.
So, governance and the process of governing must be well understood, and the process of governing and governance in this instance, ra re re ya go neela Batswana gore le bone ba tsene mo space sa bojanala, se e leng gore e ntse e le sa bangwe batho fela.

Ke sone se tlhatlharuane e tsogileng.


E bile ga ke na go gakgamala Mr Speaker, gore e re re sena go gana Motion o, o bo o utlwa gotwe go kwaletswe bangwe kwa mafatsheng a sele gore re ganne Motion o o neng o re go emisiwe go neela Batswana, ka gore ke se se tlholang se diragala letsatsi le letsatsi, re se tlwaetse.

31 Hansard No 205Friday 1st April, 2022MOTION FOR THE ADJOURNMENT - DEFINITE MATTER OF URGENT PUBLIC IMPORTANCE HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… HONOURABLE MEMBER: O ne o kopa eng?
MR LUCAS: Clarification.

Nnyaa, ke ne ke re kana dikgang tse di buiwang ke LOO ka Motion o, go lebega dingwe tsa tsone di buiwa gape ke ba HATAB.

A o kile wa bala mokwalo wa ba HATAB?

Kana ke bone ba thatathata ba remeletseng mo mohameng one o wa bojanala, le bone ba na le matshwenyego.

A o kile wa bala matshwenyego a bone?

A le one mme ga o a tseye tsia?

Ke a leboga rra.

MR MOLALE: Mr Speaker, HATAB ke bangwe ba ba buileng ka degradation.
For as long as there has been Chobe National Park, there has never been that issue.

Lodges tse di yang go agiwa tseo, go ya go nna le EIA.

Fa e le gore e kare e sena go dirwa, ga bonwa gore there is risk posed by degradation, yes, re tlaa emisa.

That is how things are done, they are done in sequence.

Ga e re go ise go fitlhiwe foo, re bo re setse re preempt gore re ya go dira eng.

Yes, 3 hectares per lodge, ba buile dilo tseo.

Gatwe nnyaa, go go nyennyane, kwa Okavango ke eng ba sa re go go nyennyane?
Clandestine, Expression of Interest (EOI), ke tsone dilo tse di builweng tseo.

Clandestine in what manner when 220 people have responded, and expressions of interest, 75 people selected?

What is clandestine about there?

Ke belaela sengwe se se tsamaelanang le gore re tlaa felela re na le babelaelwa ba e leng gore ba itimokanya gore ba re batho ba re, ntswa e le bone.

Mr Speaker, Motion o ga ke o rate, ka gore o ganetsana le maitlamo a Puso e, a go neela Batswana ditsabone gore ba ikhumise ka tsone.
Re rile there are administrative issues tse di tshwanetseng to be ironed out, let it be so, but professional consultations and professional evaluations have been done.

Fa e le gore gongwe go ne go batlega nako ya go fa batho go dira more plans, bone ba ba 75 bao, so let it be, let us extend, but e seng gore go emisiwe ka gore golo moo ga go tlhokafale, nnyaa ke gana nnyaa ya banyana.
Ga ke dumalane le se Honourable Saleshando a se buang, go itsa Batswana gore ba simolole go ja meamuso ya lefatshe la bone jaaka Puso e ba solofeditse.

E bo e re re dira tsholofetso, go bo gotwe emisang.

Nnyaa, ga ke dumalane Mr Speaker.

Ke a leboga.

MR SPEAKER: Honourable Boko.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Mr Speaker, ke ne ke le kwa bathroom, mme gatwe o kile wa mpitsa.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ke ne ke le kwa bathroom, mme gatwe Mr Speaker o kile wa mpitsa.
MR SPEAKER: Okay, now it is the turn for the other party, Honourable Boko.

MR BOKO (MAHALAPYE EAST): Mahalapye East.

Thank you Mr Speaker.

Mr Speaker, ke tsere nako go ka reetsa the Leader of the Opposition (LOO), Rre Dumelang Saleshando lantlha fa a kopa gore Motion o ka reediwa ka botlalo.

Mr Speaker, ke ne ka nonofa, ka tlhaloganya botoka jaanong fa a setse a tsena mo go one a tlhalosa kwa dikgang tse di simologileng teng le kwa di leng teng mo nakong ya gompieno.
Ke lantlha mo botshelong jwa me, mo lebakeng le le telele, ke utlwa ke sosobana moriri, ke tshoga, ke rata le go wa mo setilong se ke neng ke le mo go sone.

Ke dumela gore ga se nna fela le Batswana kwa ba teng, ba gamaregile, ba sosopane moriri, ba ipotsa gore tota re a bo re tsaya tsela efe mo gompienong.

Ke ne ka reetsa Tona jaanong gore gongwe o ka tla a fetola kana a leka go rurifatsa pelo ya me, kana go e baya mo seemong se se siameng, a ntsha letshogo le ke neng ke na le lone.
Ke ne ka mo reetsa ka ditsebe tsa me tsotlhe ka bobedi, le ka pelo tota, mme ga go na sepe se ke se utlwileng a se bua go araba segolo jang dikgang tse di tshosang tsa gore gongwe molao ga o a a ka wa salwa morago tse Rre Dumelang Saleshando a neng a di tlhalosa.

Mr Speaker, kwa molaong go na le golo mo gotweng preliminary points, kana ba a tle ba re a point in a… (Inaudible)…Fa gongwe ba a bo ba reela gore re se ka ra felela re tsena mo thitokgannyeng kana mo nameng ya kgang.
Ba reela gore fa gongwe re itebaganye le a matter not substantively on issues of procedure among others.

Ke ne ke kopa gore pele fa jaanong re ka ikapola mo setšhabeng, ra supa fa re dirile bohahalele le boatla le go tlhoka go sala tsamaiso morago, ra leka ka bojotlhe go tlhoka go ikapola jaaka re setse re apotse jaana, gongwe re eme gone fa.

Re eme ka mabaka a gore Rre Dumelang Saleshando o tlhalositse gore go na le mokwalo o o tswang kwa go ba e leng gore were engaged as consultants.
These are professionals, ba Saleshando a tlhalositseng fa ba kwadile lekwalo le ke dumelang gore e tlaa re a tswa fa, o tlaa le arogana le rona re le Batlotlegi Mapalamente le setšhaba, a le neela babegadikgang gore le bone ba tle ba le iponele, ba tle ba bone ka fa re sokamisang dilo ka teng.
Lekwalo le Mr Speaker, le fa ke sa le bala ka gore ke ne ke reeditse Rre Dumelang Saleshando a bua ka lone, le tlhalosa… 32 Hansard No 205Friday 1st April, 2022MOTION FOR THE ADJOURNMENT - DEFINITE MATTER OF URGENT PUBLIC IMPORTANCE MR TSOGWANE: On a point of procedure Mr Speaker.

Ke lebogela thata Rre Boko gore a bo a tsere floor, e bile a bua jaaka a bua.
Jaanong se se etlang se ntsietsa, se dirang gore ke kope procedure, ke gore e re fa a bua jaana a afa mabaka a gagwe, a bo a re re se ka ra tswelela ra ikapola mo setšhabeng.

Fa ke mo reeditse a rialo, ke tsaya ke re o a bo a raya gore o sutisa gore go emiwe gone fa.

Jaanong ke batla point of procedure ka gore ke ne ke sa tle go dumalana le point eo ya gore re eme gone fa.

Jaanong gongwe a itlhalose.


Ke bona o kare jaanong o a tswelela ka debate, a sena go nna a re ke ne ke batla gore gongwe re eme gone fa.

That is my point of procedure.

MR SPEAKER: I do not think we are going to stop.

The debate is going ahead.

MR BOKO: Thank you Mr Speaker.

Ke leka go sireletsa seritinyana se se setseng.


Go emeng gone fa, ke ne ke raya gore jaanong re dumalane le Motion jaaka o kopilwe ka gore go ya go supa gore Batlotlegi Mapalamente, fa re tswelela re ya kwa pele, re ya go apolega go gaisa jaaka re apolegile mo gompienong.
Ke a itse gore Batlotlegi Mapalamente segolo jang ba ba tswang kwa dikgaolong tse di ka kwa tsele, bo Rre Hikuama gareng ga ba bangwe, ba ya go di bua tsotlhe dikgang tse gongwe Rre Dumelang Saleshando a ka tswang a di tlogetse kwa morago.
Legale go sa re sepe Mr Speaker, re ka tswelela jaanong ra apola Puso, ra e supa gore e botlhaswa go le kae, ga e sale tsamaiso morago go le kae from the strength of the letter le Rre Dumelang Saleshando a buileng ka lone, from the strength of issue e go neng gotwe report e santse e tlaa tla ga e ise e goroge, from the strength ya gore go ntse go tlosolosiwa kgapetsakgapetsa e bile bangwe ba kwadile makwalo ba ba neng ba laleditswe e le balalediwa ba tlotla, mme ba ne ba leka go sireletsa maina a bana le a masika a bone ba re rona ga re ka ke ra tsena mo madubedubeng.
Ke ne ke solofetse gore gongwe le ka nna le lone letswalo leo la gore re ka se ka ra tswelela, ra ikapola go yeng kwa pele, ra dumalana le Tshutiso e ka gore fa re dumalana le yone maru a ka se ke a we.

The sky would not fall, re boela kwa morago go ya go ithulaganya, re ipaakanya.

Ga ke rate Mr Speaker, go ka tsena on the substantive.

I just prefer fela to deal with this matter on the preliminary, on the strength of what Honourable Dumelang Saleshando has put before this August House Mr Speaker.
Other Members of Parliament (MPs) I know they will go to issues of the animal corridors that Rre Dumelang Saleshando spoke to at length, the issues of congestion, as well as the issue ya gore we should not be seen to be batho ba ba batlang to maximise profits, we are short-term people.

We need to be seen as long-term people.

Seo ke se tlogelela Batlotlegi Mapalamente a mangwe Mr Speaker.

Ke ne ke leka go sireletsa ofisi ya ga Mma Kereng.
Fa a sa batle go e sireletsa, rona re le Batlotlegi Mapalamente ba kganetso, ga re na mathata a go ka apola Puso, ra e tlogela e sa apara, ra supegetsa Batswana gore Puso ya lona ke Puso e e ntseng jaana, e e dirang dilo ka tshokamo jaaka e setse e itshupile mo kgannyeng e e fa pele e. Ke ne ke utlwa Motlotlegi Mothusa Tautona a batla go re mara dipuo, a re go itshupa gore re batho ba re ntseng jang, fa ba leka go direla Batswana dilo tse di siameng, ba kganetso ba tlaabo jaanong ba ema pele dilo tse di siameng tse ba lekang go di dira.
Ga re na mathata fa Batswana ba batla go tlhamelwa ditiro, ga re na mathata fa e le gore re batla go godisa mohama wa tourism, mme re nna le mathata jaanong fa e le gore tsela e e tshwanetseng go tsewa Mr Speaker, ga e tsewe jaaka go itshupile mo kgannyeng e. Ga ke batle go ya lololo mo kgannyeng e. Jaaka ke ne ke tlhalositse I just wanted to deal with this issue on the preliminary… DR GOBOTSWANG: Elucidation Mr Speaker.
Honourable Boko a o lemogile gore Honourable Minister, o boifa bosupi jo bo fa pele ga gagwe, ga a batle le gore a bo buise e bile ga a ntshe bosupi bope jwa boitsaanape jo a bo bayang fa pele go ganetsana le bosupi jo bo leng fa pele ga gagwe?

Ke gore fa e ne e le kwa court kwa go lona, ke ne ke tsaya gore o ya go bonwa molato fela di santse di tloga ka gore ga a a lebagana le bosupi jo bo fa pele ga gagwe.

Ga a ntshe sepe countering bosupi.


Ene o tlile go pereketsapereketsapereketsa fela, mme go sena gope kwa a yang teng.

Ke a leboga Honourable Member.

HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… MR BOKO: Ke a go leboga Motlotlegi Mopalamente.

Ke ne ke solofetse gore she will bring something to counter what Rre Dumelang Saleshando has put forward.

For a lack of a better word, to rubbish the letter that Rre Dumelang has put forward, but she has not done.
She has not brought anything evidence go ka leswafatsa se Rre Dumelang Saleshando a se buileng.

Dikgang tsa teng, o di tshabetse ka fa tlase ga thito ya setlhare.

Ke 33 Hansard No 205Friday 1st April, 2022MOTION FOR THE ADJOURNMENT - DEFINITE MATTER OF URGENT PUBLIC IMPORTANCE se ke neng ke kopa gore gongwe re ne re tshwanetse go ema gone fa, re dumalane le Rre Saleshando, re se ka ra ikapola go gaisa jaaka re setse re ikapotse.
Legale fa re eletsa gore Batswana ba tle ba bone gore Puso ya ga Domkrag jaaka re tlhola re tlhalosa, e bosula jo bo ntseng jang… MR HIKUAMA: Clarification.

Honourable Member, kana o utlwile le Vice President (VP) a supa gore ga ba na sepe le dikgakololo le boitsaanape.

Bone ba a busa and they will continue to do what they think is right, regardless of what advice e e fiwang.

O bona e le position e e siameng, gore Puso e tshwanetse e ikgantshe gore e ka ikgatholosa advices?
MR BOKO: Ke mathata a re nang le one, mo tota mongwe maloba o ne a nthaya a re gongwe ke petso e e tswang kwa Modimong.

Fa e le gore Modimo o ne a re betsa, a kgona go re betsa ka Mothusa Tautona wa lefatshe, go supa gore tota re le Batswana re sweletse.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Procedure, Mr Speaker.

MR BOKO: Mr Speaker, ke feditse ka gore ke itse gore procedure e e tlang e tswa kwa Molepolole ya reng.

Ke batla go ema gone foo Mr Speaker.

Ke a leboga.

MR SPEAKER: Order!


Honourable Members, it is 12:30 p.m.

The next Member who was going to take the floor will be Honourable Shamukuni, so when this matter comes up, you can take the floor.

As it is now 12:30 p.m, may I call upon the Leader of the House, His Honour the Vice President to move a Motion of adjournment.

MOTION ADJOURNMENT LEADER OF THE HOUSE (MR TSOGWANE): Thank you Mr Speaker.
Mr Speaker, we all understand why it is very difficult for Umbrella for Democratic Change (UDC) Member to debate a Botswana Congress Party (BCP) Motion.

On that note Mr Speaker, re tlaa kopa gore Ntlo e e eme gone fa, re ise re bone tshololo ya madi fa gare ga batho ba babedi ba.

Ke a leboga.

Question put and agreed to.
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