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THE SECOND MEETING OF THE THIRD SESSION OF THE TWELFTH PARLIAMENT TUESDAY 01 MARCH 2022 MIXED VERSION HANSARD NO: 205 THE NATIONAL ASSEMBLY SPEAKER The Hon.

Phandu T. C. Skelemani PH, MP.

DEPUTY SPEAKER Hon.

P. P. P. Moatlhodi, MP.

(Tonota) Clerk of the National Assembly Deputy Clerk of the National Assembly Acting Learned Parliamentary Counsel Assistant Clerk (E) His Excellency Dr M. E. K. Masisi, MP.

His Honour S. Tsogwane, MP.


(Boteti West) CABINET - President - Vice President - Ms B. N. Dithapo - Mr L. T. Gaolaolwe - Advocate L. O. Tlhowe - Mr R. Josiah Hon.

K. N. S. Morwaeng, MP.

(Molepolole South) - Minister for Presidential Affairs, Governance and Public Administration Hon.

K. T. Mmusi, MP.

(Gabane-Mmankgodi) - Minister of Defence, Justice and Security Hon.

Dr L. Kwape, MP.

(Kanye South) - Minister of International Affairs and Cooperation Hon.

K. K. Autlwetse, MP.


(Specially Elected) - Minister of Local Government and Rural Development Hon.

K. S. Gare, MP.

(Moshupa-Manyana) - Minister of Agricultural Development and Food Security Hon.

P. K. Kereng, MP.

(Specially Elected) - Minister of Environment, Natural Resources Conservation and Tourism Hon.

Dr E. G. Dikoloti MP.

(Mmathethe-Molapowabojang) - Minister of Health and Wellness Hon.

T.M.

Segokgo, MP.

(Tlokweng) - Minister of Transport and Communications Hon.

K. Mzwinila, MP.
K. Mzwinila, MP.

(Specially Elected) - Minister of Land Management, Water and Sanitation Services Hon.

T. M. Rakgare, MP.

(Mogoditshane) - Minister of Youth Empowerment, Sport and Culture Development Hon.

A. M. Mokgethi, MP.

(Gaborone Bonnington North) - Minister of Nationality, Immigration and Gender Affairs Hon.

P. O. Serame, MP.

(Specially Elected) - Minister of Finance and Economic Development Hon.

F. M. M. Molao, MP.

(Shashe West) - Minister of Basic Education Hon.

Dr D. Letsholathebe, MP.


(Tati East) Hon.

L. M. Moagi, MP.

(Ramotswa) - Minister of Tertiary Education, Research, Science and Technology - Minister of Mineral Resources, Green Technology and Energy Security Hon.

M. Kgafela, MP.

(Mochudi West) - Minister of Investment, Trade and Industry Hon.

M. R. Shamukuni, MP.

(Chobe) - Minister of Employment, Labour Productivity and Skills Development Hon.

E. M. Molale, MP.

(Goodhope-Mabule) - Minister of Infrastructure and Housing Development Hon.
D. M. Mthimkhulu, MP.

(Gaborone South) - Assistant Minister, Presidential Affairs, Governance and Public Administration Hon.

S. N. Modukanele, MP.

(Lerala -Maunatlala) Hon.

T. Monnakgotla, MP.

(Kgalagadi North) Hon.

M. M. Pule, MP.

(Mochudi East) Hon.

M. S. Molebatsi, MP.


(Mmadinare) - Assistant Minister, Local Government and Rural Development - Assistant Minister, Local Government and Rural Development - Assistant Minister, Local Government and Rural Development - Assistant Minister, Agricultural Development and Food Security Hon.

S. Lelatisitswe, MP.

(Boteti East) - Assistant Minister, Health and Wellness Hon.

N. W. T. Makwinja, MP.

(Lentsweletau-Mmopane) - Assistant Minister, Basic Education Hon.

B. Manake, MP.
B. Manake, MP.

(Specially Elected) - Assistant Minister, Investment, Trade and Industry Hon.

H. B. Billy, MP.

(Francistown East) Hon.

A. Lesaso, MP.

(Shoshong) - Assistant Minister, Youth Empowerment, Sport and Culture Development - Assistant Minister,Tertiary Education, Research, Science and Technology MEMBERS OF PARLIAMENT AND THEIR CONSTITUENCIES Names Constituency Hon.

L. Kablay, MP.

(Government Whip) Letlhakeng-Lephephe RULING PARTY (Botswana Democratic Party) Hon.

Dr U. Dow, MP.

Hon.


P. Majaga, MP.

Hon.

M. Balopi, MP.

Hon.

J. S. Brooks, MP.

Hon.

C. Greeff, MP.

Hon.

T. Letsholo, MP.

Hon.

T. F. Leuwe, MP.

Hon.

T. Mangwegape-Healy, MP.

Hon.

Dr T. Matsheka, MP.

Hon.

S. N. Moabi, MP.

Hon.

P. K. Motaosane, MP.

Hon.

O. Regoeng, MP.

Hon.

J. L. Thiite, MP.


Specially Elected Nata-Gweta Gaborone North Kgalagadi South Gaborone Bonnington South Kanye North Takatokwane Gaborone Central Lobatse Tati West Thamaga-Kumakwane Molepolole North Ghanzi North OPPOSITION (Umbrella for Democratic Change) Hon.

D. Saleshando, MP.

(Leader of the Opposition) Hon.

M. G. J. Motsamai, MP.


(Opposition Whip) Maun West Ghanzi South Selebi Phikwe West Mahalapye East Sefhare-Ramokgonami Ngami Okavango Maun East Bobonong Selebi Phikwe East Palapye Nkange Mahalapye West Francistown West Hon.

D. L. Keorapetse, MP.

Hon.

Y. Boko, MP.

Hon.

Dr K. Gobotswang, MP.

Hon.

C. K. Hikuama, MP.

Hon.

K. K. Kapinga, MP Hon.

G. Kekgonegile, MP.

Hon.

T. B. Lucas, MP.

Hon.

K. Nkawana, MP.

Hon.

O. Ramogapi, MP.

Hon.

Dr N. Tshabang, MP.

Hon.

D. Tshere, MP.

Hon.


M. I. Moswaane, MP.

Hon.

T. S. Khama, MP.

Hon.

L. Lesedi, MP.

Hon.

B. Mathoothe, MP.

Hon.

M. Reatile, MP.

(Botswana Patriotic Front) Serowe West Serowe South Serowe North Jwaneng-Mabutsane Hon.

W. B. Mmolotsi, MP.
Francistown South (Alliance for Progressives) TABLE OF CONTENTS THE SECOND MEETING OF THE THIRD SESSION OF THE TWELFTH PARLIAMENT TUESDAY 1st MARCH, 2022 CONTENTS PAGE (S SPEAKER’S REMARKS..........................................................................................................................................1 QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER...............................................................................................................21-28 APPROPRIATION (2022/2023) BILL, 2022 (NO.
2 OF 2022) COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY Organisation 0200 -Ministry for Presidential Affairs, Governance and Public Administration (Resumed Debate).............................................................................................................................................1-14 Organisation 0300 - Ministry of Finance and Economic Development...............................................................15-20 (Resumed Debate)...........................................................................................................................................29-51 Organisation 0400 - Ministry of Nationality, Immigration and Gender Affairs...................................................52-60 Tuesday 1st March, 2022 THE ASSEMBLY met at 11:00 a.m. (THE SPEAKER in the Chair) P R A Y E R S * * * * SPEAKER’S REMARKS MR SPEAKER (MR MOATLHODI): A re tshubeng dipone tsa rona jaaka ke bona Motlotlegi Mopalamente wa Lephephe.
Order!

Order!

Good morning Honourable Members.

Let us start our business today with the Committee of Supply.

ASSEMBLY IN COMMITTEE (CHAIRPERSON in the Chair) APPROPRIATION (2022/2023) BILL, 2022 (NO.

2 OF 2022) ORGANISATION 0200 - MINISTRY FOR PRESIDENTIAL AFFAIRS, GOVERNANCE AND PUBLIC ADMINISTRATION (Resumed Debate) MR CHAIRPERSON (MR MOATLHODI): Thank you ngwanaka.

Honourable Members, the debate on this Organisation is resuming.
I shall call the Honourable Minister to reply to the debate at 12:05 p.m. and the question will be put at 12:35 p.m.

When the House adjourned yesterday, His Honour the Vice President (VP) was on the floor and he was left with 4 minutes 12 seconds.

Rraagwe Philly.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Nnyaa, e ne e le two.

HIS HONOUR THE VICE PRESIDENT (MR TSOGWANE): Thank you Mr Chairperson.

Mma ke tswelele, nako e a ntshia, ba dia nako.


Go na le maphata a mabedi kwa Office of the President (OP) a ke a okametseng; (i) ke la National AIDS and Health Promotion Agency (NAHPA).

Re ntse re lebogiwa thata ke mafatshe gore ke rona fela lefatshe le re kgonneng go kgoreletsa mogare go tswa kwa go mmangwana go ya kwa leseeng, re tsaya number one lefatshe ka bophara.

Selo seo ke katlego Mr Chairperson.

Lephata le lengwe ke la Rural Development Council (RDC).
E tlaa re fa re sena go nna re wetsa tiro ya rona, ke bone gore maphata otlhe seabe sa bone ke eng mo RDC kana kwa ditlhabololong tsa dikgaolo.

Re tshwanetse go ema ka dinao go bona gore ditlhabololo tsa dikgaolo di nna teng gore re se ka ra bona go tshologela ga batho go tswa kwa dikgaolong, thatathata banana ba ya kwa ditoropong mme lefatshe le le teng le tse ba ka di dirang di le teng.
Ke dingwe tsa dilo tse ke tlaabong ke ntse ke lebile go bona gore maphata ba dirile jang mabapi le ditlhabololo tsa dikgaolo.

Ke dingwe tse ke tlaa di lebelelang.

Labofelo Mr Chairperson, ke leboge thata batho ba ba ntseng ba okametse kgang e tona e re ntseng re lwa le yone ya COVID-19, e re tsweletseng ka go lwa le yone.

Ke leboge thata Presidential Task Force ya ga Rre Masupu gore ba re bolokile.
Ba dirile tiro ka botlalo le fa ba ne ba nyadiwa fa gongwe ke bangwe ba rona mme fela ba dirile tiro ka botlalo e bile re a ba leboga.

Re ba eleletsa masego le matlhogonolo fa re tlaabo re ba golola jaana ba tsena mo setšhabeng.

Re tlaabo re ntse re beile leitlho gore fa re ba tlhokang teng ba bo ba ntse ba le teng go tla go dira boithaopo jo e leng gore Motswana mongwe le mongwe o a bo dira.
Ke komiti e Batswana ba neng ba setse ba e tlwaetse e bile ba e rata, mme fela jaaka sengwe le sengwe, go tsile nako ya gore gongwe re lebile seemo gompieno, re ba golole.

Jaanong le Tautona o ne a ba leboga thata fa a setse a ba biditse a ba bolelela ka fa thomo ya gagwe e a neng a e ba neetse e wetseng ka teng mme e bile a ba leboga.

Jaanong ke dingwe dilo tse re tshwanetseng gore re di lebelele.
Ke bo ke kope gape Tona Morwaeng gore a tsenye leitlho mo monitoring and evaluation ka gore ke yone e leng mmangmang fa re ya mo ditlhabololong re batla go bona gore dilo di salwa morago ke that instrument kana thulaganyo yone eo ya go leba gore projects di fela ka nako e bile di dirwa ka nako e e siameng.

Ke dingwe tsa botlhokwa tse re tshwanetseng go di lebelela.
Mr Chairperson, ka gore nako e setse e ntshiile, a e re labofelo ke supe jaana gore re tshwanetse ra itse gore madi a re a neetseng Tona a, ga a a lekana.

Ga ke ka ke ka re a lekane ka gore ke itse gore madi ga a yo.

Fa o bua gore selo ga se a lekana, o a bo o raya gore go setse sengwe se a neng a ka tsaya go feta foo.

Jaanong ke tlhaloganya sentle gore letlole le re berekelang mo go lone le kwa tlase thata.

So, we expect them to do more and better with less.
Re tshwanetse gore re itse fela gore mo nakong ya gompieno the principle must be, “do more and better with less.” So, bonnyennyane jo ba bo boneng jo, a ba ye go dira ka tlhoafalo ba bone gore ba thusa Batswana ka jone jo ba bo tshotseng ka gore ke jone fela jo e neng e le gore ba tshwanetse gore ba bo 1 Hansard No 205Tuesday 1st March, 2022ORGANISATION 0200 - MINISTRY FOR PRESIDENTIAL AFFAIRS, GOVERNANCE AND PUBLIC ADMINISTRATION Committee of Supply (Resumed Debate) bone.
Jaanong ke go kgaoganya tlhogwana ya ntsi Mr Chairperson.

Go tla fa re tla re lela re re hee!

le filwe madi a mannye, ga go re thuse ka gore re a itse gore madi ga a yo a a neng a ka feta a ba a neetsweng.

Fa madi a ne a le teng ba ka bo ba neetswe go feta fa.
Ke batla go leboga fela gore ba bo ba bone se ba se boneng, mme ba ya go bereka thata ka bonnyennyane jo ba bo boneng, ba dire mo go botoka, ba dire ditsamaiso tse di ka dirang gore go nne le pabalelo kana go babalesega ga madi a ba nang le one, mme ba tle ba kgone go dira ditiro tse dingwe ka bontsi ka madi a ba a filweng.

Ka go rialo Mr Chairperson, ke a go leboga ka gore ke foo nako jaanong le yone e tsamaile.

Ke leboge botlhe ba ba dumalaneng le mogopolo o wa gore lephata le le fiwe madi.
Ke a leboga Mr Chairperson, ke ema go le kalo.

MR CHAIRPERSON: Le rona re lebogile rraarona, nako ke yone mmaba ka ga e šhafadiwe, fa e ile e ile.

Jaanong go ya go bua Motlotlegi Mopalamente wa Francistown Borwa, Rraetsho Wynter Boipuso Mmolotsi, Rraagwe Itu.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Nnyaa rra, o letse a buile maabane.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: O letse a buile motho yoo a sa bue sepe.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: O letse a tlhodia thata.

MR CHAIRPERSON: A ko le nne le buisa ba bangwe ka lorato batlotlegi.
HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ke sa ba raya sepe.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: O letse a gaketse ka ditlotlonkwane fa maabane fa.

MR CHAIRPERSON: Gakere re bua Presidential Affairs, Governance and Public Administration?

Ke yone tlhogo e re e buang.

Leina la gagwe le a... gompieno MR MMOLOTSI: Ee rra, ke letse ke buile mo go yone.

MR CHAIRPERSON: Ee, o letse o buile?

MR MMOLOTSI: Ee rra.

MR CHAIRPERSON: Ooh!

That is fine.

Go raya gore ke tlaa bitsa... HONOURABLE MEMBER: Chairperson, ga a a bua sepe.
...(Inaudible)... Mr MR CHAIRPERSON: Nnyaa, ke gore o ne o sa mo reetsa ka gore mafoko a gago ga a na lorato.

Go raya gore ke tlaa bitsa mmaarona, motho wa mme, Motlotlegi Mothusa Tona wa tsa Dikgaolo le Tlhabololo Ditsha.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Mr Chairperson, o ntebetse, go ne go tshwanetse go tsena nna pele ga ga Rraagwe Philly, go bo go nna le mathatanyana a maranyane, o ntebetse.

MR TSOGWANE: Yes, he is right.

MR CHAIRPERSON: Ke tlaa go bitsa sir, ke setse ke biditse Motlotlegi Mothusa Tona.
Ke tlaa go bitsa Motlotlegi Mopalamente wa Gaborone Legare.

MR MANGWEGAPE-HEALY: Thank you Right Honourable Speaker.

MR CHAIRPERSON: Honourable Assistant Minister, Member of Parliament for Kgalagadi North.

OF MINISTER ASSISTANT LOCAL GOVERNMENT AND RURAL DEVELOPMENT (MS MONNAKGOTLA): Thank you Mr Chairperson.

Ke go leboge mo letsatsing leno, ke dumedise batlotlegi botlhe.

Ke dumalana le kopo e ya ga Tona Morwaeng, ya go kopela lephata madi ka gore lephata le le botlhokwa.
Ke lephata le le nang le Directorate on Corruption and Economic Crime (DCEC), Directorate of Intelligence and Security (DIS), National Strategy Office (NSO) le Directorate on Public Service Management (DPSM) le le hirang badirelapuso.

Mr Chairperson, go maleba gore ke akgele mo lephateng le mme e bile ke le Mopalamente wa Kgalagadi North, bogolo jang fa ke bua ka tsa DCEC ka gore lephata le le tlhokana le madi go lwantsha tshenyetso-setšhaba, ka gore Batswana ba lela ka yone fela thata.
Le bone kana ba tshwanetse gore ba tswe ba ye go ruta Batswana ka tshenyetso-setšhaba, re a ba batla kwa Kgalagadi North gore ba ye go ruta Batswana.

Fa ke bua ka lephata le Chairperson ke bua ka lephata le le nang le Broadcasting Services.

Fa o bua ka lone la Broadcasting Services re letse re utlwa Tona a bua gore go tlile go nna le badiragatsi ba e leng gore go a go tlhabololwa Mass Media Complex kwa badiragatsi ba lefatshe la Botswana ba yang go ya teng, ba ya go nna ba ntse ba dira competitions teng.
Ditalente tsa bone re a go di bonela teng.

Ke bua jaana ka gore kwa kgaolong ya me ke na le badiragatsi.

Ke na le badiragatsi kwa Maake le Ngwatle.

Ke na le baopedi ba dikhwaere kwa Kang, jaanong ke sone se o bonang ke bua ka dilo tse, ka 2 Hansard No 205Tuesday 1st March, 2022ORGANISATION 0200 - MINISTRY FOR PRESIDENTIAL AFFAIRS, GOVERNANCE AND PUBLIC ADMINISTRATION Committee of Supply (Resumed Debate) Broadcasting Services.
Gape ke bua bogolo jang kwa Ukhwi le Ncaang, ke tlhokana le Radio Botswana, ka gore ga re na radio stations, mme bonnyennyane jo, ke kope Tona gore fa go ka sala change ke kopa gore batho ba kwa Ukhwi, Ncaang le Zutshwa ba utlwe radio Mr Chairperson.
Ke dilo dingwe tse e leng gore ke sone se o bonang ke akgela mo kgannyeng e. Ke bo ke bue gore Kgalagadi North, e seng yone fela, le teng mo dikgaolong tse dingwe bogolo jang tse di nang le mafelo a Remote Area Dwellers Programme (RADP) kwa re bonang lephata le e le lone le le dirang ka poverty eradication, le le thusang batho ba ba amilweng ke lehuma thata.
E bile kwa Kgaolong ya Kgalagadi North, ke na le RADP, mafelo a teng a le nine, e bile go na le mafelo a mangwe a ke letseng ke a bona a tshwana le bo Kutuko le Kanaku, a tlhokana le gore a thusiwe ka poverty eradication, mme e bile ke lebeletse gone bogolo jang gore dilo tse di tshwanang le bo poultry fela jalo kana dikoko tse di isiwang kwa sekoleng, gompieno go isiwa mae, uniforms le dipodi fela jalo, ke re ba a thusa ba lephata le, mme fa ke lebeletse mafelo one ao.

Ke sone se o bonang ke akgela jaana.


Mr Chairperson, ke tlaa tswelela ke re lephata le maloba le ntshitse policy e e neng ya buiwa mo Palamenteng, ya National Disability Policy e thatathata e buang ka ditshwanelo tsa batho ba ba tshelang ka bogole.
Fela jalo ke sone se o bonang ke bua ka yone ka gore ba tlhokana le dikitso le dithuso tse di rileng, mme e bile ke e baya fa pele jaana ke re, go raya gore lephata le le a go tlhokana le madi fela thata, mme re itse gore le fa ba tlhokana le dikitso, re dikile re na le ngwana mo Palamenteng wa monalebogole yo o neng a re thusa thata le Motlotlegi Taolo Lucas.

Ngwana yo gompieno o kwa BoFiNet, ke ene a tshwereng kwa maranyaneng.
Mme ke re ke leboga dikompone tse di lemogang banalebogole le dikitso tsa bone bogolo jang.

Fa ke ntse ke tsweletse ke ntse ke le mo lephateng le ke re, lephata le deals with national disaster management, kwa Kgalagadi North re dikile re tlhasetswe ke melelo, diphefo le dipula tse di tseetseng batho matlo, tse di sotlileng batho.

Melelo e e fisitse lodges, leruo le masaka.


Jaanong fa ke lebile lephata le ke re, matsananyana a a leng teng a, le fa ba bangwe bone ba bona gore a mantsi a ya go dira tse ba di buang, lephata le le tshwaragane le bothata Mr Chairperson.

Le ne le leka fa le neng le leka teng, mme ke re, Tona Serame… HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification.

MS MONNAKGOTLA: Ee, rra ka bonako.

MR CHAIRPERSON: Clarification sought and granted.

Honourable Member for Ghanzi South.


MR MOTSAMAI: Ke a go utlwa Motlotlegi Mma Monnakgotla.

Ke re o gatelele thata le ka kgang e ya gore kana go na le banalebogole, a ga o bone go ka boa gape fela ga kopiwa diofisi tse go ya go sekaseka mo go tseneletseng gore kante banalebogole ba ba thusiwang ka mananeo a ga Goromente ke ba ba ntseng jang, ka gore go supega bontsintsi jwa bone ba supa gore ba a kgethololwa?
A ga o bone go le botoka gore go dirwe assessment fela e e standard that will cover le ba ba saletseng kwa morago ka gore motho fa a fitlhelwa gongwe a le mogapa, a dule leitlho, gatwe ga se monalebogole, mme e le gore ga a bone ka leitlho le lengwe, mme e bile le le setseng le sa bone sentle?

Tanki.

MS MONNAKGOTLA: O ntseela nako motlotlegi.

Ke sone se o bonang ke kopela lephata le madi.

Nna le wena re bua puo e le nngwefela motlotlegi.


Ba bangwe ba letse ba di bua gore lephata le le tlhokana le madi ka gore le lebeletse matshelo a batho.

Le lebeletse gone go ya to assess banalebogole, ba sa bue tse di neng di buiwa tse dingwe tse ke neng ke utlwa batlotlegi ba bangwe ba di bua, tse e leng gore lephata le le lebeletse matshelo a Batswana kwa gae.

Bone banalebogole le disasters.


Fa o e bua jalo, ke tlaa kopa Tona Morwaeng gore dilo tse tsotlhe tse fa a ka di lebelela di ka ya kwa teng, e seng gore e re fa re bua re le batlotlegi re bua ka lephata le, e bo e bile re bua gore bo Tautona Lodge… nnyaa, ga re bolelele Batswana nnete, e bile le gone le batho ba kwa Ghanzi ba sena lefatshe.

Bone ba ba buang bao ba na le lefatshe, a na le masimo, lodge le businesses, mme motho yo o kwa Ghanzi a se na lefatshe la go dira dilo tseo.
Go utlwisa botlhoko Mr Chairperson.

Dilo tse re tshwanetse gore re di bue, re lekalekanye batho.

Fa e le gore Puso e ya go thusa motho yo o kwa Ghanzi yole, e bo e le gore o bua se o se buang mo Palamenteng, ga o bue sentle.

Ke dilo tse e leng gore a re tlhamalatseng dipuo tsa rona batlotlegi.

A re lebeleleng matshelo a batho ka go tshwana.

A re lebeleleng botshelo jwa motho yo o kwa Kgalagadi le Ghanzi sentle, gore o tlhokana le eng.
Fa a tlhokana le lefatshe, a Puso e mo thuse ka fa go tshwanetseng ka teng.

Ke a leboga Mr Chairperson.

MR CHAIRPERSON: Thank you Honourable Minister, thank you very much.

Motlotlegi Mopalamente wa Gaborone Legare.

3 Hansard No 205Tuesday 1st March, 2022ORGANISATION 0200 - MINISTRY FOR PRESIDENTIAL AFFAIRS, GOVERNANCE AND PUBLIC ADMINISTRATION Committee of Supply (Resumed Debate) HONOURABLE MEMBER: Chairperson.

Procedure Mr HONOURABLE MEMBER: O a bua Mr Chairperson, go raya gore ga o mo utlwe.
MR CHAIRPERSON: Rra?

MR CHAIRPERSON: O a utlwala jaanong.

MR SALESHANDO: On a point of procedure.

Fa go tswa ba babedi ba Domkrag pele ga ga Mme Mma Monnakgotla e ne e le Vice President (VP), ga go tsene wa opposition?

MR MANGWEGAPE-HEALY: Mr Chairperson, am I audible?

MR CHAIRPERSON: You are audible.

Please go ahead Honourable Member.

feletse ba opposition MR CHAIRPERSON: Ba Morena wa me.

Ba mphile list and I need to congratulate Honourable Motsamai as the Opposition Whip.
He has complied with Standing Order 10.3 (ii) (b) and (c).

Well done, comrade.

You have complied with the Standing Orders.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Chairperson.

Procedure Mr MR CHAIRPERSON: Motlotlegi Mopalamente wa Maun Botlhaba, ke utlwa lentswe.

MR KEKGONEGILE: Tanki Mr Chairperson.

Mr Chairperson, I think Honourable Motsamai as our Whip o tlaa baakanya.

Kgang ke gore when the list was submitted, go ne go lebilwe metsotso that was allocated, le gore go ntse go diragala eng.
Jaanong ministries tse di tsamaya di fetoga mo metsotsong and all the sorts.

Re ne re kopa gore if we anticipated that re tlaa nna le slots tse pedi, mme re bo re nna le tse tharo, o re fe chance ya gore re tsenye yo mongwe, even go tsholetsa fela go tlaabo go siame gore re se ka ra latlhegelwa ke our slot.

Re ne re re gongwe ra ganelela mo nakong, but fale le fale e nna botoka.

Tanki Mr Chairperson.


MR CHAIRPERSON: Honourable Kekgonegile, Standing Order 5.1 (c) e mpha thata gore ke go beye leitlho, ke go tlhokomele, ke go rate, ke go beye mo tseleng.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Mr Chairperson.

MR CHAIRPERSON: Ke tlaa go neela chance eo Morena wa me, o se ka wa tshwenyega.

Ke dumalana le wena Honourable Member.

Le fa le tsholeditse letsogo fela, I am going to give you a chance.
Ke kopa gore le mponele Honourable Healy ba le ka mmonang, e seng jalo ke a mo feta… MR MANGWEGAPE-HEALY CENTRAL): Mr Chairperson, a ke a utlwala?

(GABORONE HONOURABLE MEMBER: Mo tlole.

MR MANGWEGAPE-HEALY: Thank you very much Mr Chairperson for the opportunity.

Good morning Honourable Members.

Thank you Honourable Morwaeng for your presentation.
Mr Chairperson, tlaa ke simolole fela ka kgang e motlotlegi a neng a e bua gore ba ya go ithuna dinta in relation to National Development Plan (NDP) 11, Mid-Term Review, Economic Recovery and Transformation Plan (ERTP) and the Reset Agenda.

Ke lebogela Palamente e go bo ba fetisitse molao wa Economic Inclusion Act ka gore tsholofelo ke gore sengwe le sengwe se re se dirang re ya kwa pele in terms of procurement and empowerment, se tlaabo se agilwe mo motheong wa Economic Inclusion Act.
Ke lebaka re ntse re ngongorega re le Batswana ka kakaretso gore Batswana ba kgaphetswe kwa ntle ga itsholelo ya lefatshe la bone.

Jaanong motho o dumela gore jaaka go ya go dirwa this review, go tlaa bonwa gone gore ...(Inaudible)… fetileng molao o di tswetse ...(Inaudible)… and in many other spheres but primarily fa re bua ka ...(Inaudible)… Gape ke bo ke fetele kwa go Tona Morwaeng ka kgang… MR CHAIRPERSON: Your audio is not very good.
MR MANGWEGAPE-HEALY: …e a e buang ya molao wa whistle blowing ...(Inaudible)… le jaaka e itshupa.

E bile bangwe ba rona re dumela gore e itshupa thata mo nakong e re mo go yone e lelekilwe bobe le ka tšhakgalo.

Jaanong dikai tsa ntlha fela go itshupa gore there is progress, e ya go nna fela what appears to be an increase in corruption.

We have increase in combating corruption, which then manifests in the corruption being highlighted.
Jaanong molao o wa whistle blower ke o o tlaa thusang ...(Inaudible)… le ya maloba re e ...(Inaudible)… MR CHAIRPERSON: Honourable Healy… MR MANGWEGAPE-HEALY: …then we have madi a mangwe a a yang kwa the Ethics and Integrity Directorate.

4 Hansard No 205Tuesday 1st March, 2022ORGANISATION 0200 - MINISTRY FOR PRESIDENTIAL AFFAIRS, GOVERNANCE AND PUBLIC ADMINISTRATION Committee of Supply (Resumed Debate) MR REATILE: On a point of procedure.
Mr Chairperson, re reeditse Honourable Healy a dira submission ya gagwe mme go na le mathata a gore o tla a kgaoga jaanong.

Potso ke gore jaanong kana le kamoso le fa a neelwa record ya gagwe ya script sa gagwe sa Hansard gotwe a correct, tota go tlaabo go le disjointed.
Jaanong a ga o bone go le botoka Mr Chairperson, gore fa go ntse jaana, gongwe o bo o ka emisa motlotlegi, o dumalana le ene nako e o tlaa tlang o mo tsenya ka yone, a setse a na le coverage e e botoka ya network because gompieno ga se gone gotlhelele?

MR CHAIRPERSON: I could not agree more with you Honourable Reatile.

Gone jaana ke ntse ke raya bongwanake ke re a ga gona tsela e re ka thusang Motlotlegi Mopalamente wa Gaborone Legare ka yone.
Ke dumalana le wena thata Motlotlegi Reatile, ga re mo utlwe le rona gotlhelele.

Honourable Healy, ga o kope ka fa next door bogolo jaaka re a tle re dire, despite Standing Order 58.6 e re ga o ka ke wa dirisa manno a yo mongwe.

MR MANGWEGAPE-HEALY: Ga ke utlwale Mr Chairperson?

MR CHAIRPERSON: Aha, o botokanyana.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Kana ke gore o tsamaya o kgaoga.

MR MANGWEGAPE-HEALY: Ke botokanyana, tlaa ke tswelele sir.

MR CHAIRPERSON: Yes sir.


MR MANGWEGAPE-HEALY: Ke ne ke re ke lebogele le kopo e ya Attorney General Mr Chairperson, ka gore ke ofisi e e botlhokwatlhokwa mo pusong ya batho ka batho mme se se botlhokwa even more, is to act on the findings of the Attorney General.

Am I audible Mr Chairperson?

MR CHAIRPERSON: You are very much so.

MR MANGWEGAPE-HEALY: Okay, thank you.

MR CHAIRPERSON: Ga ke itse gore Attorney General yone o batla eng kwa go yone.
MR MANGWEGAPE-HEALY: ...(Inaudible)... Ke ne ke re ka re Auditor sir.

I meant to say Auditor, o tlaa intshwarela.

MR CHAIRPERSON: Please go ahead.

MR MANGWEGAPE-HEALY: Ke ne ke re se se botlhokwa Mr Chairperson, is also to act on the findings of the Auditor General.
E se ka ya nna findings fela mme go tshwanetse gore fa go na le any wrong doing or sepe se se batlang go baakanngwa se potlakelwe, jaaka gone jaana re... MR CHAIRPERSON: Ema pele Honourable Healy, gone kwa Auditor General o batla eng ka gore ga re e discuss?

MR MANGWEGAPE-HEALY: Tlaa ke tswelele Mr Chairperson.

MR CHAIRPERSON: We are discussing Presidential Affairs, Governance and Public Administration, Palamente re e buile maabane.

MR MANGWEGAPE-HEALY: Ke dirile phoso, o tlaa intshwarela Mr Chairperson.
Okay, tlaa ke bue ka NAHPA sir.

Thank you Mr Chairperson.

Jaaka Mothusa Tautona a ntse a bua gore mafatshe a le mantsi le ba United Nations (UN) ba tswelela ka go re akgola ka kganelo ya bolwetse go tswa mo mmangwaneng go ya ngwaneng, bolwetse jwa Human Immunodeficiency Virus (HIV), lephata le ke le le botlhokwatlhokwa.
Ke tsaya gore jaaka maloba go ne go buiwa ka parastatal e e tlileng to cover pandemics jalo le jalo, motho o dumela gore lephata le ke le e leng gore golo mo go tlaa agelwa mo go lone jaaka Mothusa Tautona a bua.

Ke nngwe ya lephata le le re bolokileng re le tšhaba ka nako e go neng go le thata, le bo le tswelela le ka go re babalelela dikokomane.

Jaanong motho a lebogele gore le tswelela ka go tsewa tsia.

Banalebogole Mr Chairperson, we need to do more in terms of people living with disability.
Ke gantsi ke bua mo Palamenteng e gore frontline workers jaaka mapodise, nurses, botlhe fela ba e leng gore they are in the frontline, gotlhe le barutabana, go botlhokwa gore they should know the basics of sign language ka gore golo moo go tlaa thusa gore go babalele privacy ya banalebogole.

E se ka ya re motho a tsena gongwe kwa police a thubeditswe kana a na le mathata a health kwa sepatela, a tshwanelwa ke go nna le interpreter.
Jaanong fa re bua ka ofisi ya banalebogole, ke dumela gore e tshwanetse to be further strengthened.

What we are doing is commendable but it is not enough, more needs to be done in this area Mr Chairperson.

Jaaka ke ntse ke bua our commitment to fighting corruption, fa o bona budget e ya DCEC, e kare e tlaa fapaana le that commitment.
Madi a DCEC e a filweng 5 Hansard No 205Tuesday 1st March, 2022ORGANISATION 0200 - MINISTRY FOR PRESIDENTIAL AFFAIRS, GOVERNANCE AND PUBLIC ADMINISTRATION Committee of Supply (Resumed Debate) a kwa tlase thata ka gore this is a very critical arm of Government.

Re a itse gore mo malatsing a re tshelang mo go one, economic crime is one of the biggest vices, jaanong e tlhoka ditsompelo.

So DCEC madi a teng a ngomola pelo sir.


Fa o leba madi a DIS, this is what I also expect for DCEC because equally, DIS is an important arm of Government which needs to be facilitated to carry out its work jaaka re bona fela over time gore go na le dilo tse dintsintsi tse gongwe di neng di ntse di feta just ...(Inaudible)… over wide.
When you have an organisation like DIS that can go deeper to looking into things, a lot of things will be exposed that we never had imagined they are happening within our borders.

A lot of mischief, transnational crimes and briggles of instability are exposed by organisations like the DIS.

So it is very important that it is sufficiently capacitated.
Gape the current head of the DIS, Rre Magosi, he has been very clear gore he is prepared to submit himself to civilian governance to areas such as the Public Accounts Committee (PAC) gore ba bone gore ba dira eng ka madi a setšhaba.

So I think under that kind of environment, motho o kgona go nna le go wela dibete gore nnyaa golo fa madi a ga a latlhelwe ka motlhobodika.

Ga go tshwane le dinako tse e neng moeteledipele wa DIS a kgona go bua gore ene he does not account to anyone.
So, go botlhokwa for such organs to be capacitated.

Ke batla go e nyalanya le e e buang ka security at Parliament, e e buang ka tlhokomelo ya pabalesego ya Mapalamente Mr Chairperson.

Honourable Morwaeng, you need to do more in this regard, le mo diofising tsa rona, ke tsaya gore o a itse gore re kile ra nna le seemo se e leng gore we have some political bandits amongst Members of Parliament who had decided to turn into marabele, bo Savimbinyana le bo Laurent Kabila.
Jaanong the issue of security ya Mapalamente cannot be taken light.

For now maybe nothing will happen because maybe we have good relations re le Mapalamente, but we cannot wait for a day when something has happened, e bo e le gone re reng re ka react.

We have to make sure that if this issue of security is tightened.

I was very disappointed to see somebody of the calibre ya Leader of Opposition jaaka Rre Saleshando a ka itetelela go dirisiwa to lead a group of political thugs.
Like I say, we cannot wait gore go felele go diragetse in an injury or something of that sort.

Jaanong Mr Chairperson, kgang eo ya security sa Palamente a e tsibogelwe.

MR RAMOGAPI: Point of order.

MR CHAIRPERSON: Honourable Member Palapye.

What is your point of order?

for MR RAMOGAPI: Mr Chairperson, ke kopa gore Motlotlegi Tumisang Healy wa Gaborone Central a boele morago lefoko le a reng political thugs.

Ga go na political thugs mo Palamenteng.

Ke gore ke dipuo tsa kae tsone tse?


Ga o kgaleme, mme ke go itse o le motho yo o kgalemang.

Go diragala eng?

MR CHAIRPERSON: Thank you Honourable Ramogapi.

Ke gore jaaka o bona ke didimetse, o ne a nopola nako nngwe, a re bangwe batho ba ile ba iphetola one mafoko a a buang, ba tlhasela Mapalamente.

Jaanong lefoko leo le siame.

MR RAMOGAPI: Ehe, o mo romile.

Go siame, re tlaa le dirisa.

MR MANGWEGAPE-HEALY: Thank you Mr Chairperson.

Kana fa gotwe thugs, go tewa batho ba ba tlolang molao.
So, if there are Standing Orders, and you want to violate the Standing Orders, we can label you in that manner especially if you want to use violence to violate a set of orders.

So ke tsaya gore go siame fela Mr Chairperson.

Ke utlwa Honourable Mmolotsi le ene o bua ka bo gore go tshamekilwe ka madi go rekiwa armoured cars, gompieno Tautona o tsamaya ka Hilux-nyana fela.
Mr Chairperson, ke tsaya gore it is common knowledge, le rona Mapalamente, re ne re na le privilege ya go nna re tsamaisiwa ke dikoloi tsa Puso, mme go ne ga buiwa gatwe in light of mathata a COVID-19, a re fokotse possibility ya kanamo ya mogare, gongwe re ka tsenya bakgweetsi mogare.

The same thing pertains with the President, The President o a ikgweetsa in light of COVID-19 protocols, gore a se ka a tsamaya mo koloing a na le batho gongwe a tloga a ba tshela mogare kana ba mo tshela mogare.
Fa armoured cars di sa dirisiwe, go raya gore the physical security around the President has to be... MR MOTSAMAI: Procedure Mr Chairperson.

MR MANGWEGAPE-HEALY: …which means go dirisiwa more money... MR MOTSAMAI: Procedure.

Mr Chairperson, tsamaiso e ke e itseng e le wena o e gatelelang thatathata letsatsi le letsatsi mo Palamenteng, ke gore go se ka ga gogwagogwa seriti sa ga President mo seretseng.
Jaanong kgang e ya gore gongwe go bo go tsweletswe go nna gotwe o a ikgweetsa, o a kgweediwa, ke tsaya gore ga se gone.

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So, a re lese go nna re re re a defend mme re senya, re tlogelele diofisi tse di maleba dikgang tseo.

Ke a leboga.

MR CHAIRPERSON: Order!

Honourable Motsamai o ne a eme ka point of order.

Gone fela in all fairness, Honourable Motsamai is correct, the Standing Order 23.2, leina la ga Motlotlegi Rraetsho Tautona le dirisiwe ka tlotlo.

Gone fela fa o ntse o ikgweetsakgweetsa ka fa a buang ka teng, re tlaa mo latela ka kwa, o a ikgweetsakgweetsa.
A ko o tswe mo go yone Honourable Healy, Honourable Motsamai in all fairness, he has got a point.

Tswaya mo go yone kgang ya teng, you have made your point.

MR MANGWEGAPE-HEALY: Thank you Mr Chairperson.

Ga ke itse gore jaanong ke ya go bua jang ka gore Standing Order se gongwe ke tloga ke se offend, but let me try my luck.
Go ne go buiwa ka kgang gotwe Office of the President is in commercial business, and in competing le bo Botswana Development Corporation (BDC), e a reng, go bo go fiwa sekai ka lefatshe la kwa Okavango... MR CHAIRPERSON: Your time is up Honourable Member.

MR MANGWEGAPE-HEALY: Thank you Mr Chairperson.


MR CHAIRPERSON: Now that there is nobody on the list that is about to speak or supposed to speak, gape ke latlhetse kopo ya ga Motlotlegi Mopalamente wa Maun Botlhaba, ga ke a bona lepe leina la yo o eletsang go ka bua.

Ooh!

there goes the Assistant Minister of Basic Education.

Honourable Makwinja, it is your turn Madam Minister.

ASSISTANT MINISTER OF BASIC EDUCATION (MS MAKWINJA): Ke a leboga Mr Chairperson.
Ke eme go akgola bo Tona ba Ministry for Presidential Affairs, Governance and Public Administration mo tirong e ntle e ba e dirileng ka go kopa lemmenyane leo gore ba leke go tsweledisa tiro e e fa pele ga bone.

Ka gore go na le tse di ntsi tse ba di kwadileng Mr Chairperson, ke ne ke re fela ke simolole ka Point No.

4, ya Presidential Review of our Constitution.


Re ne re ntse re goagoa Rre Morwaeng, gore tota Constitutional Review e tlaa nna leng, mme ke itumelele, e bile ke leboge Batswana ba e leng gore ba tla ka matshwititshwiti mo diphuthegong tse.

Ba bue le gore tota nako ga e a ba ema sentle ka gore ga ba kgone go akgela.
Ke leboge le bone ba Commission, gore ba bua ba sa kgwe mathe, gore Motswana mongwe le mongwe kwa a teng, fa a tlhaetswe ke gore a ye diphuthegong, a kwale gore lentswe la gagwe kana mantswe a bone fa e le ditlhopha, a utlwale.
Ke kopa ka tsweetswee gore gone mantswe a go kwalwa a, o kare go ka nna le motlhale wa gore maitseboa le maitseboa ba ba kwadileng ba balwe mo radio, kana mo television, gore yo o neng a le kwa, semangmang o kwadile a re, fa ba le mo kgaolong ya teng, gore re tle re kgone go itse gore ba bangwe le bone ba akanya jang.
Jaanong ke re Motswana kwa gae, iketleetse, e re fa commission e le mo legaeng la gago kana mo tikologong, leka ka bojotlhe, o nne mongwe yo e tlaa reng mo dingwageng tse di tlaa tlang, o bo o balelelwa ke batho ba ba neng ba nna le seabe mo go sekasekang molao le go dira gore o diragale jaaka o batla, go itepatepanya le seemo sa dingwaga tse re leng mo go tsone.

Ke leboge ofisi e fela thata.

Gape ke bo ke tsena mo ofising ka bo yone.


Fa re lebile Clause 6, bo Tona, Office of the President (OP) e na le makalana a mantsintsi thata, mme ke tlaa e leba le public sector reforms, cluster development, privatisation le public reforms.

Fa re dira reforms tse le privatisation, a re bone gore ka tsweetswee, ditlamelo di ya kwa di tshwanetseng go ya teng gore Motswana a tle a kgone go bona ditshwanelo tseo.
Decentralisation e nna botlhokwa fela thata gore re nne se Makgoa ba ka se bitsang efficient and effective in actually providing the public with the services that they require from this Government.

Ke leboge thata gore fa ke lebile jaana, re leka to implement se re reng ke Data Management Guidelines and you have already kick-started the project.

Mo dikomponeng kana lefatshe, data analytics e botlhokwatlhokwa fela thata.
Go dira melao go dira dikakanyo kana sengwe le sengwe fela, o tshwanetse o bo o na le information e e leng gore people can rely on, the statistics so that re se ka ra bua fela mo go legoeleleng.

E ke intervention e e botlhokwa thata e e leng gore fa ke le foo, ke bua ka monitoring and evaluation ya performance ya ga Goromente, go botlhokwa thata gore betsho a re nneng le baseline targets.
Re bua ka clusters tsa beef, tourism and financial, re fa kae ka motsotso one o, re batla go ya kae, so that re tle re itse gore a re mo tseleng kana jang.

A re nne le tsone those data analytics, dipalopalo tseo gore re itse gore re fa kae, re batla go ya kae.

Re tle re kgone go sala 7 Hansard No 205Tuesday 1st March, 2022ORGANISATION 0200 - MINISTRY FOR PRESIDENTIAL AFFAIRS, GOVERNANCE AND PUBLIC ADMINISTRATION Committee of Supply (Resumed Debate) morago go bona gore a re a dira kana ga re dire.
Gongwe re ka tokafatsa kana ra tsholetsa yone intervention e, e botlhokwa fela thata in governance.

Fa re lebile jalo gape, fa re ntse re bona reforms tse le tsone, ke a lemoga gore go na le performance review e re tlaa e neelwang ya 2020/2021.

Go ya pele, re tshwanetse go bona gore Performance Management System (PMS) at individual level e a diragatswa betsho because ke bona bo Permanent Secretaries (PSs) ba rona batho ba Modimo, ga ba nke ba tšhaisa.
O bo o akanya gore ministries di na le batho ba le kanakana go diragala eng.

Ke tlatse fela gore e re fa le ntse le dira jaana, le bone gore at individual level, what is my value add ka gore ba bangwe e bile gongwe ba utlwa botlhoko fa o ba botsa gore tota gatwe fa letsatsi le tswa le bo le phirima, o dirile eng.

O tlaa fitlhela e le dilo tse di re busetsang morago re le Goromente.

Mr Chairperson, jaaka re bua ka privatisation, go botlhokwa gore re dire support services.
Parastatals tse jaaka re tlaabo re di sekaseka, re bone gore they are run by professional, experts who are doing the work, not managing others.

That is why we have got bloated parastatals gammogo le ene Goromente tota ka gore bangwe are just managing others.

Those who manage others are not experts in what they are doing.

What then happens is that re tlaabo jaanong re hira motho mo godimo ga motho gore a thuse ene yo o palelwang.
Dilo tse fa re dira transformation, fa re ka se ke re di lebe, go tlaa nna mathata.

Re solofela gore jaaka re bua ka rationalisation jaana, public reforms di tsweletse, dilo tse di elwe tlhoko.

Ke a leboga gore go setse go simolotswe go dirwa some of these interventions.

Mr Chairperson, Labour Law Review Committee; kgang e re a e fitlhela gatwe e tswa kgakala.

Re a kopa ka tsweetswee bogolo jang le yone ya privatisation, dilo tse pedi tse di tshwanetse go diragala.
Ke lebogela ofisi ya ga Motlotlegi Morwaeng gore e bo e bone gore tse tsone tse di a diragala.

A re nne le targets gore Labour Law Review Committee e e tla fetsa tiro ya yone leng.

Go se ka ga nna bogorogoro fela re sa itse gore e ya go fetsa tiro leng.

Ke gopola gore ya privatisation yone e mo tseleng.

Ke ntse ke bua ka public service gape, our wage bill is far, far way out.

Re bona fa gatwe ke 53.7, o ka bona fela gore go ntse jang.

A re leke go boela kwa morago.


Fa re re re bantsi bogolo e bo e le between 35 and 40 per cent, if you look at the benchmarks, fa re bua ka wage bill.

Re ka kgona go bona ka yone data analytics gore the ministries which are contributing to this ke dife ka gore o tlaa fitlhela e le gore tsone tseo, ke teng kwa inefficiency e leng ntsi thata.

Ke dilo tse gongwe di ka lejwalejwang jaaka re bona go ntse jaana.

Nako ya gore we explore the way to increase efficiencies ga e bolo go feta.
Ka mo go sa bolong go lediwa gore Botswana, when you look at the Global Competitiveness Report, ga ke ka ke ka fela matlhe mo ganong, e re baya gore we have been number one for 10 years now as the country with poor work ethics, I think this is the 10th year.

Jaanong to explore ways to increase efficiencies ga go bolo go tlolwa ke dipeba.
Re tshwanetse go bona gore we act, mme ke a solofela e bile ke a itse gore reforms tse Motlotlegi Morwaeng le Mthimkhulu ba tlileng ka tsone, di tlaa thusa thata go re ntsha mo lerung le le ntsho la poor productivity le poor work ethic ya our public service.

Ya bofelo ke akgela mo go yone e nne ya corruption prevention.

Ke leboga go menagane Tona mo interventions kana mananeo a le tlileng ka one go leka go fokotsa corruption… MR CHAIRPERSON: Your time is up Honourable Minister.
MS MAKWINJA: Thank you Mr Chairperson.

MR CHAIRPERSON: Ee mma.

Rraagwe Masa, I am going to allow you to be the last speaker on this chapter and then I will call upon the Honourable Minister to respond to the debate.

MR REATILE (JWANENG-MABUTSANE): Tla ke go leboge Mr Chairperson.

Le nna ke leboge Motlotlegi Tona gore a bo a beile kopo ya gagwe ya madi a 2022/2023 fa pele ga Ntlo e ya Palamente.
Kgang e ke neng ke rata gore ke simolole ka yone fela ke gore, Tona o tlile ka Policy ya Banalebogole mo Ntlong e, mme ya feta ka lerato le le kalokalo, Mapalamente ba go eme nokeng.

E se ka ya tloga ya tlala ditlhole, re bone banalebogole jaanong ba tsamaya ba go boka ba re Bakwena ba kile ba romela mmoloki wa bone kwa Palamenteng yo e rileng a tsena mo Palamenteng, a feta a fetola matshelo a bone, a a emela ka dinao, e bile ba bona ditlamelo tse di maleba.
Honourable Chairperson, ke tshwanetse ke supegetse Tona gore ke ne ke dumela thata ka fa a tlileng ka policy e ka teng a supa tota gore dikgang tse di saletse kwa morago, le nna ke ntse ke itse ka gore go na le sebaka se policy e kileng ya tla mo Palamenteng ra e gana, re bona e na le ditlhaelo.
Policy 8 Hansard No 205Tuesday 1st March, 2022ORGANISATION 0200 - MINISTRY FOR PRESIDENTIAL AFFAIRS, GOVERNANCE AND PUBLIC ADMINISTRATION Committee of Supply (Resumed Debate) e fetile, fa e fetile jaana, se ke neng ke batla o se emela ka dinao motlotlegi, ke kgang ya gore fa re le kwalela dikwalo go tswa kwa dikgaolong tsa rona, re go lekodisa ka mathata, re kopa o fetole makwalo.

Golo mo ga gore re bereke ka Parliamentary questions ga go ka ke ga tlhabolola lefatshe Honourable Minister Morwaeng.
Go tshwanetse gore fa mokwalo o tsena kwa ofising ya gago, o itse gore ga re bue ka gore Manchester e tshamekile jang le Liverpool.

Re a bo re bua ka mathata a Batswana a re a tshwereng kwa dikgaolong.

Le fa ke kwalela ministry wa gago, ga gona phetolo e ke e bonang go tswa kwa lephateng la gago, ke bua ka dikgang tsa banalebogole.
Re na le ngwana yo a saleng a eletsa go ipona a ile sekoleng, ministry wa gago o a itse, ba ofisi ya me ba golagana le bone, the Acting Director o itse ka kgang eo, kwa dikhanseleng ba a itse and go a pala gore ngwana a ye sekoleng.

Potso ke gore, re ne re fetisetsa eng policy?

Ke eng re ka se ke re e gagole, ka gore go a supafala gore policy e banalebogole ga ba e enjoy, ga ba benefit sepe mo go yone.
Re ntse re bereka ka bo business as usual gore, monalebogole mo lefatsheng la Botswana o tshwanetse go boga gore go supafala gore ke motho yo o tsetsweng a na le bogole.

Ke tshela ke bua gore, motho yo o falotseng bonalebogole fela ke yo mongwefela, ke yo o kwa mabitleng.

Rona ba rotlhe ba re leng fa, re santse re le candidates tsa bonalebogole.
Go ngomola pelo, go utlwisa botlhoko Mr Chairperson, o bona batho ba Modimo a santseng o ba babaletse ba bogisa monalebogole yo a se nang boitiro, o lebile bone fela gore ba ka mo thusa.

Ba sa tshwanela gore ba mo thuse ka dithoto tsa bone, ba mo thusa ka makgetho a gagwe monalebogole yoo.

Jaaka a ntse a reka sukiri kana sepe se a se rekang kwa Choppies, makgetho a gagwe ke one a re tshwanetseng go bona gore re mo tlhokomela ka one.
O kare go tlhokomela monalebogole ka fa tlase ga gago Honourable Morwaeng, re a bo re direla batho bao favour.

Ke tshwanelo ya Puso ya letsatsi go bona gore monalebogole re a mo tlamela, a se ka a tshela ka pelo e e hubitseng nako le nako.

Mr Chairperson, ke utlwile Honourable Tona Serame a bua gore corruption ke kgang ya elephant in the house.
Ke re Tona, ke rata gore ministry wa gago fa o tsamayang teng, ke batla go supa kgang e ka gore ba ofisi e ba ka fa tlase ga gago, mme dilo tse dingwe di a diragala di le kgakala le wena, tse o ka sekeng o di beye leitlho.

Fa re le fa, ga re re nne re di fetisa.

Re ne ra nna le tiro re le Puso ra tsaya tshwetso ya gore Cut 8 e a dirwa ka matsetseleko a a feletseng, ra simolola ra award Cut 9, e rile koo re bo re e cancel.

Se se tshwenyang ke cancelation ya Cut 9 Mr Chairperson.
Ke tsenya kgang e ka gore tota ke bona go na le corruption mo teng gore, the board member who presided over dikgang tsa to cancel Cut 9, re lebeletse gore jaanong Batswana ba benefit ka fa re neng re e tlhalosa ka teng, the very same board member fa re sena to cancel Cut 9, they are now tendering ka kompone ya gagwe.

Jaanong o tender gore ke wa labour hire, wa kompone ya …(Inaudible)… ka fa ba e tlhalosang ka teng.
The board member Mr Chairperson e le a Permanent Secretary (PS), ke bua jaana ka gore ke wena o hirang badirelapuso Honourable Morwaeng.

Jaanong fa e le gore corruption go tlaa supa gore it is order of the day, e kare kamoso fa nna ke sa sub contract kompone ya ga board member yo e leng PS, a bo a ka tsoga a influence gore gongwe ke bo ke ya to cancel konteraka, a bo kamoso a tender, dilo tse ke matlhabisaditlhong.

Ke dilo tse di sa batleng experts, ga go batle sepe, ke dilo tse di papamentseng.
Motho wa kompone e ke buang ka yone Mr Chairperson, e ne e le PS wa minerals.

Dilo tse Mr Chairperson, re tshwanetse re di bue, fa e le gore o batla ke bua leina la gagwe ke ka le bua, ka gore kompone ya gagwe e kwa Companies and Intellectual Property Authority (CIPA).

Ke dikgang tse di tlhamaletseng, o gweba le ba Jwaneng Mine.

Dilo tse ga e ka ke ya nna gore e nne survival of the fittest, survival of the influential person.
Re tshwanetse re itse gore batho ba ba nang le bokgoni Mr Chairperson, ke bone ba ba tshwanetseng go neela ditlamelo, ba bone dikonteraka, dikompone tsa bone di bo di gweba.

E seng gore o na le connection go le kae.

Dilo tse Honourable Morwaeng, o tshwanetse o bone gore batho ba DCEC ba di emela ka dinao.

Go se ka ga tlhola go setswe ma cleaner morago, go ntse gotwe toilet papers ga di mmogo, di ne di goroga maabane, le di isitse kae?
Madi a lefatshe a tsamaela mo bathong ba go seng maleba gore a ka bo a tsena mo diatleng tsa bone.

Kompone e ya …(Inaudible)… ke dumela gore e ntlhabisitse ditlhong, ka gore ke na le dikgang tsa yone le kwa kgaolong e le labour hire, tse di tsenang kwa ofising ya me nako le nako, batho ba dumela gore ga ba direlwe sentle.

Jaanong e untouchable ka gore o kare ke sub-committee ya Botswana Democratic Party (BDP).
Le fa o ka re o kua dilelo tsa yone o re o tsena kwa ministry, ga e kgongwe, it is a rare species mo lefatsheng la Botswana.

Dilo tse Mr Chairperson, ga re ka ke ra di letlelela ka seemo se se ntseng jalo.

Batswana e re ba bereka, Goromente wa letsatsi a bo a le mo letlhakoreng la bone, e seng la bagwebi.
Ke gore gompieno ka fa 9 Hansard No 205Tuesday 1st March, 2022ORGANISATION 0200 - MINISTRY FOR PRESIDENTIAL AFFAIRS, GOVERNANCE AND PUBLIC ADMINISTRATION Committee of Supply (Resumed Debate) diemo di ntseng ka teng Mr Chairperson, Motswana ke yo o italetsang mo Pusong ya letsatsi, motho yo o babalesegileng fela ke mogwebi mo lefatsheng la Botswana.
Fa o le Motswana o bereka, gatwe o itse gore Batswana ba tletse mo mebileng ba tlhoka ditiro, mme dikompone le tsone di tletse mo mebileng e le tse di tlhokang ditiro.

O ka ipotsa gore nako le nako ke eng Puso ya letsatsi, e sireletsa bo radikonteraka go feta babereki ba ba ba rometseng kwa Palamenteng.

Gongwe re a tsietsega gore re mo Palamenteng ka dikonopo tsa batho, ga re mo Palamenteng ka gore balance sheet ya ga rakonteraka wa tsala ya me e tshwere bokae.
Dikonopo fela Mr Chairperson, tsa batlhoki, bahumanegi le banalebogole ke tsone tse di beileng BDP mo setilong, and go lebega BDP e bifela dikonopo tse ka sengwe le sengwe, e tlotlomaditse batho ba ba tshwereng madi fela ba re ba bonang kwa bo Stock Exchange.

Ke ba gakolole gore go tlaa le felela, bahumanegi ba tlaa ema ka konopo ya bone, le bo le tswelela ka batho ba lona ba madi.

Ga le ka ke la bona Puso le tshwere madi, badidi ba ema ka konopo ya bone, ba bona yo o buang language ya bone ya badidi.
Se Tona, ke batla gore o se tlhaloganye o bo o netefatsa gore o sireletsa motho yo o kobo dikhutshwane, ba dipitse bonang ba dinao.

Ke sone se e leng emphasis ya molaetsa wa me gompieno gore, o netefatse go itse gore dikompone tse le di dirileng le le ba BDP gore di tsamaye di bogisa Batswana mo, kgang e re e tsaya ka tlhamalalo.

Re e tseela kwa godimo and re le lebeletse, e bile re tlaa le gakologelwa, re tlaabo re le gakologelwa ka ditiro tsa lona.
Kgang e o tshwanetse o e itse Tona, ka gore fa re ka se ke re e bolele, re tlaabo re sa le direle sentle.

Ga ke a tshwanela gore fa ke bua le wena, e bo jaanong ke go ribamela.

O tshwanetse go itse gore mathata a teng mo bodirelapusong jwa gago, jo o bo ratang rati, mathata a teng mo dikomponeng tsa gago which finance you bosigo le motshegare ka dikeledi tsa Batswana, Batswana ba rothisa keledi.

Ba bogisiwa ke dikompone tse di le tshelelang madi.
Ke batla kgang e o e itse gore fa di ne di le tshelela madi jaana, di dira tiro ka botswerere, di somaretse ditshwanelo tsa Batswana, le nna ke ne ke ka rata gore ba tswelele ba le tshelela madi.

Gompieno le tsaya madi a a hutsegileng, a a tletseng dikeledi tsa Batswana ka fa ba bogisiwang ka teng ke dikompone tse tsa lona.

Le tsere tshwetso ya gore di kgokgontshe Batswana ka sengwe le sengwe, ka gore di na le a full protection ya lona le le Puso ya Domkrag ya letsatsi.
Ke ne ke batla go bua ka monalebogole le corruption fela, e go lebegang e itshetletse, e ikagetse e na le bonno jwa sennelaruri mo Office of the President (OP).

Re go neetse policy Honourable Morwaeng, mme re bona monalebogole a boga ka fa tlase ga gago o lebeletse.

Ya bofelo Honourable Morwaeng, ke kopa gore o ye go botsa Honourable Thulagano Segokgo le Honourable Lefoko Moagi gore ba kgona go fetola makwalo a a tswang kwa go rona jang, le wena o tle o tsoge o dira jalo.
Yo mongwe yo ke neng ke ka go mo neela yo a seyong fa, ke the late Honourable Gaolathe.

Honourable Gaolathe e ne e tle e re fa motho a tlile a lela, ke gopola nako nngwe ke pagama sefofane, ke bo ke tsaya mogala wa motlhophi ke mo leletsa ke re… MR CHAIRPERSON: Your time is up.

Thank you Honourable Member for Jwaneng-Mabutsane, o ne o le mo moweng ke a go bona.

MR REATILE: Modimo a go segofatse.

MR CHAIRPERSON: Amen.

I am now going to call upon the Honourable Minister to reply to the debates.
Ke go itse ke go tshepha rraarona, o motho yo o buang ka bokhutshwane.

Re na le tiro e ntsi thata, re tle re fetele kwa chapters tse dingwe.

Honourable Minister, please reply to the debates.

FOR PRESIDENTIAL MINISTER AFFAIRS, GOVERNANCE AND PUBLIC ADMINISTRATION (MR MORWAENG): Ke a leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, ke a go ikokobeletsa rra le boeteledipele jo bo leng fano.

Ke simolole ka go leboga bakaulengwe ba me botlhe, ba ba ileng ba nna le seabe mabapi le kopo e re neng re e dira fa.
Go lebega botlhe ba e atlile.

Se ke a se lebogela.

Ke tlaa leka go araba matshwenyego a bakaulengwe ba me ba ka tswang ba a senositse.

Sekai; Motlotlegi Rre Reatile ke simolola ka ene, o lebetse gore fa a ntse a bua le nna kgapetsakgapetsa, dingwe tsa dikgang tse a di nneetseng ke di rarabolotse.

Ke bua ka bangwe ba batho ba a kileng a supa e le moemedi wa bone, mme foo o ne a lebala.

Ke gakolole motlotlegi gore se lebale Rre Reatile, mokaulengwe wa me.
O a itse gore jaaka o re Rre Gaolathe o ne a tle a arabe, nnyaa mme le nna o a itse gore fa o mpoleletse sengwe, fa re kgonang teng re a thusa morwarre.

Ke supe fela gore as you know Rre Reatile, BDP is a social democratic party.

I repeat, it is a social democratic party.


Ke party e e leng gore maikaelelo le maikemisetso a yone, ke gore motho yo o kwa tlase e 10 Hansard No 205Tuesday 1st March, 2022ORGANISATION 0200 - MINISTRY FOR PRESIDENTIAL AFFAIRS, GOVERNANCE AND PUBLIC ADMINISTRATION Committee of Supply (Resumed Debate) mo tlhatlose.

Maikaelelo a BDP le Goromente wa yone ke gore botlhe ba ba sa kgoneng, Puso e dire ka fa e ka kgonang ka teng gore ba iphitlhele ba le mo seemong se se botoka go na le maabane.
Ka tsela eo, ba ba kwa tlase Rre Reatile jaaka o itse, ke bone ba party e ba bolokang go gaisa diphathi tsotlhe tse o ka di akanyang mo lefatsheng la Botswana.

Ke sone se o bonang e tshepilwe ke batho ka tsela e e kalo.

Ke supe gore kgang ya corruption rotlhe re a dumalana gore ga re e amogele.

Ke sone se re e emetseng ka dinao ka fa re ka kgonang ka teng go bona gore re a e lwantsha, jaaka rotlhe re dumalana.
Ntlha e nngwe Rre Reatile jaaka o ne o bua ka banalebogole, Puso e ya Domkrag e ile ya saena convention ya mafatshefatshe ya banalebogole.

Re tlisitse policy e mo Palamenteng Rre Reatile.

E ya go itebaganya le go thusa banalebogole.

E bile re solofeditse gore re ya go tla ka policy e e tlaabong e itshetlegile ka molao, kgotsa molao o ya go itshetlega ka policy.

Ka tsela eo, ke go tlhomamisetse Rre Reatile gore re tsaya dikgang tsa banalebogole tsia thata.
Maikaelelo le maikemisetso ke gore re di ele tlhoko thata.

O bolelela ruri, ga go tlhokege gore Mopalamente ka nako tsotlhe a tle ka potso mo Palamenteng.

Ka fa tsamaiso e ntseng ka teng ke gore, Mapalamente a a farologanyeng fa ba na le dikgang tse di amang batho kwa dikgaolong, ba bue le Matona a a farologanyeng, ministries tse di farologanyeng gore batho bagarona ba thusiwe e seng go letela Palamente, motho a bo a tla ka potso.
Ke go tlhomamisetse Rre Reatile gore disinyi tsotlhe tse di teng, jaaka o ne o bua ka corruption, ke sone se re se lwantshang.

Ke one maikaelelo a DCEC, Puso le makalana a mangwe otlhe gore re lwantshe tshenyetso- setšhaba.

Ba ba senyetsang setšhaba Rre Reatile, ke go tlhomamisetse gore they are not sponsored by Domkrag.

Domkrag ke party e e dumelang mo go direng dilo ka bophepa; Puso ya Domkrag the same thing.

Batswana ba atle ba re, “mashi ke montle ke tswa thobeng, selabe se tla le motsayakgamelo.
Fa modiredi mongwe jaaka o ne o bua Rre Reatile, ka tsela nngwe a ile a tswa mo tseleng, o a bo a sa rongwa gore a ye go senya.

Thomo ya Puso mo bodirelapusong ke gore a re yeng go direla Batswana ka lerato, boineelo le ka tsela e e re tlaa tlisang ditlamelo kwa bathong.

Mma Makwinja o ne a eme nokeng kgang ya Constitutional Review, which is very good.

Sone se, ke maikaelelo, maikemisetso a Puso le dikeletso tsa Batswana.
Constitutional Review e e tsweletseng, o ne a rotloetsa batho gore ba e ye ka mmetela, re se ka ra ya le ba ba reng go ngalwe.

Re a itse gore se e ne e se maikaelelo a bone, se ke maikaelelo a Puso gore Batswana ba nne le seabe mo review e. Ke supe gore Mma Makwinja o ne a bua ka dikgang tsa rationalisation, decentralisation le go isa ditlamelo kwa bathong.

Ke one maikaelelo le maikemisetso a Puso gore go nne jalo.
Ke ka tlhomamisetsa Ntlo e e fano gore Public Service Commission e go saleng re bua ka yone, e tsweletse jaaka ke bua le lona jaana, e kwa Francistown, e thusa badiri ba rona ba ba nang le dingongorego.

Fa e tswa koo e tlaabo e tla mo Gaborone.

Thulaganyo e e tsweletse, Public Service Commission e mo teng, e theogetse jaaka ke bua le wena jaana.

Ke tlhalositse mo kopong ya me gore Bargaining Council e mo thulaganyong.
Ke na le tshepo le tumelo ya gore jaaka ke tlhalositse unions le DPSM puisanyo ya rona e positive, e tsweletse sentle.

Re eletsa gore go tle go kgonege ka bofefo jo bo kgonagalang.

Rre Healy o tlhalositse ka fa a tlhalositseng ka teng.

Rotlhe re a dumalana, re tshwanetse to capacitate ba DCEC.

Re ba fe ditlamelo tsotlhe ka fa go ka kgonegang ka teng.

Makalana otlhe a a lwantshang tshenyetso- setšhaba re a fe ditsompelo tse gore ba lwantshe tshenyetso-setšhaba.
Of course le ba DIS le makalana a mangwe otlhe re bone gore re ba thusa jang.

Security sa Palamente rotlhe re a dumalana gore re tshwanetse re se oketse, se sekwasekwe.

Mapalamente a rona a bolokesege, a babalesege, le tsone dikago di babalesege, di bolokesege.

Eo re tlaa e ela tlhoko.

Jaaka mongwe a ne a tlhalosa maabane a re DIS e ye kwa Defence, ga ke tlhoke go ruta mokaulengwe gore ga se kwano fela.

Fa o bala, o tlaa lemoga gore le mo mafatsheng a mangwe go a kgonega.
Thulaganyo e re leng mo go yone e le fa o ka ya kwa Aferika Borwa, o tlaa fitlhela as we speak, state security se kwa ofising ya ga Tautona.

Ga se motlholo gore go bo go ntse jaaka go ntse jaana, e le gore state security se kwa ofising ya ga Tautona.

Ga se kwano fela, le kwa Aferika Borwa kwa le ratang go galaletsa teng thata bangwe ba lona, go ntse jalo.

Ga se kwano fela le other countries.


Ke raya gore go tswa fela mo goreng ba ba tsamaisang ka nako eo ba akanya gore mo go ka sologelang batho molemo ke eng.

Ntlha e nngwe, Mma Monnakgotla o ne a bolelela ruri gore you see, ofisi ya ga Tautona e na le makalana a le mmalwa a a itebagantseng thata le matshelo a batho.

Fa o bua ka Poverty Eradication, e lwantsha tse e di lwantshang.

O bua ka DCEC e lwantsha tse e di lwantshang.

O bua ka disability, lekalana la banalebogole le lebagane le dikgang tseo.
National Disaster Management le NAHPA ke makalana a a mo 11 Hansard No 205Tuesday 1st March, 2022ORGANISATION 0200 - MINISTRY FOR PRESIDENTIAL AFFAIRS, GOVERNANCE AND PUBLIC ADMINISTRATION Committee of Supply (Resumed Debate) ofising ya ga Tautona.

Ke makalana a gaufi thata le matshelo a batho.

Ke makalana a a fetolang matshelo a batho, a thusa batho jaaka NAHPA Mma Monnakgotla a bua.

That is why office ya ga Motlotlegi Rraetsho Tautona e tlhoka madi a mantsi gore makalana a, a fetole matshelo a batho.
Motlotlegi Mma Monnakgotla o ne a bua gore gompieno go ya go fetolwa go le gontsi kwa Broadcasting Services kwa Mass Media.

Maikaelelo le maikemisetso ke go ya kwa matshelong a batho.

Ke go bona gore creatives; bana ba ba nang le boitsaanape jo bo farologanyeng jwa go fetola matshelo a bone, ba bo ba dirisa Mass Media ka tsela eo.

Gone mo ke gone mo go dirang gore ofisi ya ga Tautona e bo e le botlhokwa ka fa e leng botlhokwa ka teng.

E ama matshelo a batho.


Banana ba bantsi jaaka Mma Monnakgotla a ne a bua, matshelo a bone a ya go fetolwa ke Mass Media ka fa e yang go fetolwa ka teng.

Jaaka mokaulengwe mongwe maabane a ne a bua... MR CHAIRPERSON: Honorable Minister, I apologise to interrupt your debate.

Some eight minutes ago, you spoke of Public Service Commission, doing some job in Francistown, did you say that?

I think you must be speaking of Judicial Service, not Public Service Commission.
MR MORWAENG: Ee rra, ke bua ka commission e e itebagantseng le dingongorego tsa badirelapuso, Public Service Commission.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: E teng KB, go raya gore ga ba e itse.

MR MORWAENG: Ee.

Mma ke le bolelele, e teng e tsweletse jaaka... MR CHAIRPERSON: That is fine KB, just continue.

MR MORWAENG: Ke a leboga mongwame Motlotlegi Modulasetilo ka boikokobetso jo bo kalo.

Ke re e teng mongwame.

Ka tsela eo, maikaelelo ke gore re ise ditlamelo kwa bathong.
HIS HONOUR THE VICE PRESIDENT (MR TSOGWANE): Point of clarification.

Thank you Mr Chairperson.

Nnyaa, ke clarification e khutshwanyane Mr Chairperson.

Ke ne ke utlwa o bua ka Mass Media Complex, e e nang le dingwagangwaga e sa bereke e sa solegele banana molemo.
Mr Chairperson, gongwe Tona a tlhalose a bo a supe ka gore e ya re fa gongwe Puso e re e dira dilo, bone ba ba reng ba rata batho thata e bile ba rata banana, ba bo ba tla ka dikgoreletsi tse di sirang tse di busetsang morago katlego e e ka nnang teng.

O bue ka gore kana go ne go na le motho yo o itseweng kae le kae gore o dira dilo tse tsa bodiragatsi jaaka Steve Harvey gore ka o ne a amana le kgang e ya go tokafatsa jaaka o bua, sekgoreletsi se se tona se tswa fa kae?

Ke a leboga.
Ke a leboga.

MR MORWAENG: Ke a leboga.

Nnyaa, eo e ntse e tsweletse.

Re tsweletse ka thulaganyo ya teng ya ga Steve Harvey.

O ya go thusa le go rotloetsa bana ba rona.

Kana Motlotlegi Mothusa Tautona, o tshwanetse o itse gore go na le bangwe ba e reng fa banana kana Batswana ba atlega, go ba utlwisa botlhoko ka gore bone ba ka kgona gore ba atlege fela fa e le gore Puso ga e kgone.
Ke gore fa dilo di sa tsamaye sentle, ke gone go itumelwang gore nnyaa dilo ga di tsamaye sentle, batho ba tlaa huralela mmuso wa Domkrag.

Ke one maikaelelo fela fa o re o sekaseka gore gatwe modumo e ne e le wa eng.

Maikaelelo ke gore matshelo a banana, bogolo jang badiragatsi ba lefatshe le, ba ye go akola.

Ke sone se madi a OP a ileng kwa godimo because re ya go tokafatsa re oketsa kwa Broadcasting Services gore banana ba bantsi ba badiragatsi ba lefatshe le ba solegelwe molemo ke dikago tsa rona.
Ntlha e nngwe e e ileng ya oketsa madi e ntse kgang ya go tsenya mafaratlhatlha, maranyane (digitalisation) le entertainment e go yang go nna le village connectivity ka... HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ke kopa tlhaloso.

MR MORWAENG: Ke kopa go boela kwa go lona, mma ke wetse point e ke re SmartBots e e leng gore village connectivity e ya go okediwa, go raya gore go ya go isiwa maranyane kwa dikgaolong, Dikgotleng, dikoleng, dikokelong, diofisi tsa Mapalamente; all over.
Ke yone ntlha e e arabang gore ke eng jaanong budget ya OP e ile kwa godimo.

E ile kwa godimo ka gore dikgang tse re buang ka tsone tse tsa go tsenya maranyane le mafaratlhatlha gongwe le gongwe mo lefatsheng la Botswana, ke maikarabelo a yone ofisi e go bona gore tiragalo e e a diragala.
Ke araba kgang e Motlotlegi Rre Keorapetse le Mokaulengwe Rre Mmolotsi maabane ba neng ba re percentage e ile kwa godimo, ke re ee, ke boammaaruri e ile kwa godimo ka gore go na le dikgang tsa mofuta o tse e leng gore mo nakong e e fetileng di ne di seyo.

Maikaelelo le maikemisetso ke bona gore re ya go tokafatsa matshelo a batho a ga rona.

Mongwe o ne a buile, bogolo jang Rre Reatile, o ne a tshwenyegile... HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ke ne ke kopile tlhaloso Minister.
MR MORWAENG: Ee, mma ke bua ke wetse, ga e ka ke ya re ke ise ke simolole ke bo ke tla... 12 Hansard No 205Tuesday 1st March, 2022ORGANISATION 0200 - MINISTRY FOR PRESIDENTIAL AFFAIRS, GOVERNANCE AND PUBLIC ADMINISTRATION Committee of Supply (Resumed Debate) HONOURABLE MEMBER: O ntse o o fa Mothusa Tautona gone fa, a o ne o ise o simolole?

MR MORWAENG: O a nkomanya jaanong?

O nkomanyetsa eng?

Mma ke bue.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: No, you are being unfair.

MR MORWAENG: Ke tlaa go fa sebaka, mpha motsotso.


Ke tlaa boela kwa go wena.

So, didimala o se ka wa lela.

So, ka tsela eo ke re ga se gore fa banalebogole ba thusiwa re a ba tlontlolola.

Nnyaa, go na le ka fa ba sekasekiwang ka teng.

Go na le ba e leng gore seemo sa bone ke se go botoka jaaka Motlotlegi Rre Motsamai a ne a re fa gongwe fa motho gongwe a sena lenala kana monwana, ga a lebiwe jaaka yo e leng gore gongwe ga a na matlho otlhe, ke baya e le sekai.
So, go a farologana, but ka dinako tsotlhe assessments ga di dirwe ka tsela e di bayang ope ka fa mosing.

Puso e tlaabo e solegelwa molemo ke eng go tshwara Batswana ka letsogo la molema?

Ga se gone, ga se boammaaruri.

Maikaelelo le maikemisetso ke gore botlhe ba ba amegang ba thusiwe sentle ka tsela e ba akolang meamuso ya lefatshe la bone.

Mongwe o ne a tlhalosa gore corruption e ile magoletsa e le mokaulengwe wa me Rre Keorapetse.
Corruption e ile magoletsa jaaka mongwe a ne a bua ka gore go na le freedom e ntsi mo lefatsheng la Botswana gompieno go nale nako e e fetileng.

Babegadikgang ba bega ba sa tshabe dikgang tse.

Le bone ba DCEC le makalana a mangwe ba ntsha reports.

Fa batho ba begile (report), sengwe le sengwe se bewa mo mpaananeng (transparency).

Jaanong mme o bo o kare “hei!


corruption e ile magoletsa thata.” Re re jaanong batho ba gololesegile, babegadikgang ba gololesegile, ga go tshwane le pele mo dingwagenyaneng tse pedi tse tharo tse di fetileng tse e leng gore freedom ya babegadikgang e ne e sa tshwane le jaaka Motlotlegi Rraetsho Tautona a buletse gore nnyaa a babegadikang ba bege ka tshosologo e e kalokalo.
Ke re ke tlhalosetse mongwe, bogolo jang e le mokaulengwe wa me Rre Keorapetse ka o ne a supa gore Tautona o a palelwa mo Pusong, ga a ka ke a kgona, Tona e e ka bo e le fa, e ka bo e se fa, go ka bo go dirwang.

Ke re ke gakolole Rre Keorapetse le ba ga bone gore we are an inclusive Government.

Let us not confuse inclusive Government le coalition Government.

Ga re coalition Government, re inclusive Government.

Do not confuse the two.

Re Puso e e dumelang mo morerong.


Fa re re go rerisa, ga re re re coalition, ra re morero.

Re ya go tsaya dikgang ...(Interruptions)...ga e ka ke ya gompieno o bo o re Tautona a tsenye yo fa, a se ka a tsenya yo fa e bile he does not qualify gore a bo a le Tautona.

Nnyaa mokaulengwe, amogela gore le gannwe ke batho kwa ditlhophong, phathi ya lona e gannwe ke batho.

Se re omanyetse gore Batswana ba romile Domkrag.


Nako le nako le a re omanya e bile le batla go laela Tautona gore a tsenye mang kae a se ka a tsenya mang kae.

Of course, fa o ka bona fela o le ngwana wa ntlo ya tumelo o bo o bokwa ke bana ba ntlo ya lefifi, o tshwanetse o itse gore mathata a teng.

Fela fa o ka bona moengele a bokwa ke matimona o itse gore mathata a teng.
Fa o ka bona go ntse jaaka go ntse jaana, kgang ke gore Puso e e mo diatleng tse dintle ka fa tlase ga ga Motlotlegi Rraetsho Tautona Masisi, Mothusa Tautona, Khuduthamaga ya gagwe le Mapalamente a a leng fano.

Ka tsela eo, ke re a re amogeleng seemo batho betsho, re eme Puso nokeng gore e kgone gore e ise ditlamelo kwa bathong.

Re se ka ra omanyetsa batho gore ba filwe maikarabelo a go busa mme re ba thuse ka megopolo.

Rre Rakgare maabane… HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification Minister.
MR MORWAENG: O ne a bua puo…ke tlaa tla kwa go wena sir.

Rre Rakgare maabane… HONOURABLE MEMBER: Tla re go busetse mo setlhogong.

MR MORWAENG: Ke rile ke tlaa tla kwa go wena, sir.

Se nkomanye, ke tlaa go fa sebaka.

Etsa Hikuama, ke tla go fa sebaka.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Kana golo fa o bua o le Minister and you are not presenting your personal view.

You are presenting a Government view, o a araba.

Jaanong when you want to select gore o fa mang chance ga o fe mang chance, it is unprocedural.
HONOURABLE MEMBER: Kana you are disturbing the Minister.

MR MORWAENG: Honourable Rakgare, o ne a bua gore go na le thulaganyo e e teng, ke a araba fa ke riana.

Ke araba Honourable Rakgare, o ne a bua a re, go lebega go na le dipuo tse di buiwang kgapetsakgapetsa tse di bosula kgatlhanong le Motlotlegi Rraetsho Tautona, tsa lenyatso, go tlhoka go mo tlotla jalojalo.

Ke re yes, we are aware, re a itse.


Mme ke re Batswana a ba lemoge, ba itse gore re eletsa gore setilo se se tlotliwe, 13 Hansard No 205Tuesday 1st March, 2022ORGANISATION 0200 - MINISTRY FOR PRESIDENTIAL AFFAIRS, GOVERNANCE AND PUBLIC ADMINISTRATION Committee of Supply (Resumed Debate) boeteledipele bo tlotliwe, re ise ditlamelo kwa bathong.
Jaanong fa batho ba ipoka ba re tiro ya bone, e bile ga ba na go tlotla Ofisi ya ga Tautona jaaka go ne go bua Rre Keorapetse maabane, a ikgantsha a re ga ba na go tlotla gotlhelele, ke re ke tsaya gore Batswana ba reeditse.

Bagaetsho, a re tlotlaneng re le setšhaba.

Mongwe le mongwe yo o filweng tiro fa a e filweng teng gore a direle setšhaba re tlotle se a se romilweng ke Batswana at the time.
Jaanong ke re ga se boammaaruri gore Puso e ke e e dumelang mo tshenyong, ke Puso e e dumelang mo go iseng ditlamelo kwa bathong.

Ka tsela eo ke re ga ke dumalane gotlhelele le dipuo tsotlhe tse di neng di buiwa ke Rre Mmolotsi maabane, tse e leng gore clearly Rre Mmolotsi o ne a dule mo tseleng.

O ne a sa itebaganya le kgang e e mo tafoleng.

Rre Keorapetse le ene, mafoko a gagwe le a ga Rre Mmolotsi e ne e le a lesenyo fela e seng sepe gape.

Ke kopa go go fa metsotswana Rre Kekgonegile.


MR KEKGONEGILE: Tanki Tona, tla re go busetse mo setlhogong.

O ne o bua ka Mass Media Complex gore e a baakanngwa, e bile ka fa e baakanngwang ka teng e ya go solegela banana mosola lefatshe ka bophara.

Monana a le kwa Maun a reeditse o ipotsa gore naare ene a le kwa Maun, Mass Media Complex e le mo Gaborone, e ya go mo solegela mosola ka tsela e e ntseng jang?

A ba ya go pegiwa go tla fa to come and perform?


A ga go botoka gore o atolose gore bo Mass Media Complex ba nne regional, so that ba ba kwa regions, thousands kilometres away from here ba ka diragatsa go na le gore ba tle Mass Media Complex?

Tanki Tona.

MR MORWAENG: Ke a leboga mokaulengwe.

Ke a leboga Rraetsho ke re, go na le fa go simololelwang teng Motlotlegi Rre Kekgonegile.

Ra re mo gompienong go simololwa kwa Mass Media Complex, ke tshimologo.
Maikaelelo le maikemisetso ke gore, re tla anama nako e go kgonegang.

Mo nakong e, toro le keletso ke gore, bana ba rona ba ba gongwe le gongwe mo Botswana ba tlaabo ba kgona gore Mass Media Complex e ba thuse.

Ga re ka ke ra re ka gore ngwana o tswa Okavango kana Ngami ga a ka ke a thusega, mme ra re mo nakong e re buang ka yone e re tlhoka gore re bo re simololela golo gongwe, mme ditlamelo tse re nang le tsone mo nakong e ke tse di fa Mass Media Complex, tsone tse re di tokafatsang.
Ka tsela eo e a go itebaganya le bana botlhe ba lefatshe la Botswana.

Dikgang tsa rationalisation tse re dumalanang ka tsone di tsweletse.

Re dumela gore di tlaa solegela Batswana ba ga rona molemo.

Kgang ya DIS jaaka Rre Mmolotsi a ne a bua e ba e tshabang lebaibai, ka ba ikitse borre Mmolotsi, ke re, nnyaa se setona ke gore we have to strengthen intelligence ya rona gore re kgone go ela tlhoko gore go diragala eng fale le fale, gore Batswana ba bolokesege.
E se ka ya nne gotwe se fela go bo gotwe DIS e rile, jaaka e le gore Rre Mmolotsi fa a bua ka yone nnyaa, o bua ka fa a buang ka teng.

Rre Mmolotsi o ne a ba a bua ka Constitutional Review a e nyatsa thata.

Ke bo ke re Batswana ba se ka ba itewa tsebe ke batho ba e leng gore ga ba na boammaaruri.

Ba buile ka gore go nne le Constitutional Review, e teng, e dirilwe, go setswe molao morago, ba re, “nnyaa, ga go a salwa tsamaiso morago.
Tautona should have consulted.” Tautona has consulted makgetho a le mantsi a bua le Batswana, a bolelela setšhaba, a bua le mekgatlho e e farologaneng gore Constitutional Review e etla, ipaakanyeng.

O e dirile a setse molao morago.

Ga a roba molao gope gotlhelele.

Batswana ba tshwanetse ba ye go ipega kwa go yone ba ntshe maikutlo a bone gore ba akanya gore lefatshe la bone le ka ya kae, go ka fokodiwa eng, kana go ka okediwa eng.
Batswana, diphathi tsa sepolotiki le tsone di na le tshwanelo ya go ya go ka bega, go bua le mekgatlho e e farologaneng.

Tota moo ke maithamako fela… HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification.

MR MORWAENG: …ka gore go na le ba bangwe ba neng ba eleditse kooteng gore ba tsene, Commission e ga se yone e e yang go kwalela Batswana Constitution.

Commission e e tsaya maikutlo a batho, ga se bone ba kwalang molao gore o nne jaana le jaana.
Jaanong go bonala gore bangwe ba ne ba dumela gore re tshwanetse re ye go tsaya ditsala tsa bone di tle go kwalela Batswana Molaomotheo.

Ga re batle jalo.

Re batla Commission e e yang go tsaya maikutlo a Batswana kwa dikgaolong, gore Batswana ba nne le seabe gore bone ba bona lefatshe le ka ya kae.

Ka tsela eo ke re go setse metsotso e e meraro, ke kopa to move.

MR CHAIRPERSON: Please, do.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: O ne o sa ntlogele to elucidate kgang eo ya Constitution le confusion ya bone?
MR MORWAENG: Nnyaa, ga ba tshephege akere o a itse, sir.

Let me move, Batswana ba a ba itse.

Mr Chairperson, this concludes my proposal.
I therefore, request that the sum of One Billion, Five Hundred and Seventy-Eight Million, Five Hundred and Five Thousand, One Hundred and Thirty Pula (P1,578,505,130) for the 14 Hansard No 205Tuesday 1st March, 2022ORGANISATION 0200 - MINISTRY FOR PRESIDENTIAL AFFAIRS, GOVERNANCE AND PUBLIC ADMINISTRATION Committee of Supply (Resumed Debate) Recurrent Budget and an amount of Nine Hundred and Ninety-Seven Million, Two Hundred and Fifteen Thousand, One Hundred and Nine Pula (P997,215,109) stand part of the estimates for the 2022/2023 Financial Year.
I move accordingly, Mr Chairperson.

formulation of the second PFM Reform Agenda, which covers the years 2022 to 2027.

Implementation of the existing roadmap met with some successes, though it also faced challenges.

Some of the major achievements under the programme are: Question put and agreed to.
ORGANISATION 0300 - MINISTRY OF FINANCE AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT MR CHAIRPERSON: Honourable Members, please note that two hours, 50 minutes has been allocated to this Organisation and I shall call upon the Honourable Minister to reply to the debate at 1640 hours today, and the question will be put at 1710 hours today.

Honourable Minister, Peggy Onkutlwile Serame, please put up your Bill.

MINISTER OF FINANCE AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT (MS SERAME): Thank you Honourable Chairperson.
INTRODUCTION Mr Chairperson, I have the honour to present to this Honourable House my ministry’s 2022/2023 Recurrent and Development Budget Proposals under Organisation 0300.

Before presenting my budget proposals, I would like to provide a summary of achievements that the ministry has attained over the past 11 months of the current financial year.
I will also share with Honourable Members progress on how the ministry is supporting the Reset and Reclaim Agenda, as well as the Transformation Agenda initiatives.

Public Finance Management Reforms Mr Chairperson, in execution of its mandate, the ministry continues to be alive to move forward with reform and renewal, consistent with the goals and aspirations of Vision 2036.
In line with the Transformation Agenda, as well as the Reset and Reclaim Agenda, the ministry continues to focus on improving financial management systems, processes and laws to facilitate the comprehensive and integrated reform of our public finance landscape.
(i) The development of a Budget Strategy Paper (BSP) which has been instrumental in guiding the annual budget preparation exercise; (ii) Successful implementation of a Medium-Term Fiscal Framework (MTFF), which has greatly enhanced to produce enhanced and credible fiscal forecasts; the ministry’s ability (iii) The development of a Medium Term Expenditure Framework’s (MTEF) Conceptual Framework Paper that paved the way for the development of a medium-term expenditure budgeting approach.
This system has helped to increase the credibility and predictability of budget proposals; (iv) The development of a Medium-Term Debt Strategy that continues to inform the Government’s borrowing plans; (v) Establishment of a Government Audit Committee to assist with issues of governance and internal control; (vi) The development of Enterprise Risk Management Framework; and (vii) Development of Assets Management Policy and the automation of the Fixed Assets Register.
Mr Chairperson, the implementation of the new roadmap which is currently being finalised following consultations across the public sector was delayed due to the need to repackage it to make it leaner and more focused.
Compared to the previous roadmap that had 13 components, the new roadmap will comprise five designated high impact components namely: (i) National Budgeting; (ii) Public Investment Programme; (iii) Public Procurement; Mr Chairperson, the Public Finance Management Reform (PFM) programme that has been under implementation since July 2010, has entered a second phase with the (iv) Accounting and Reporting; and (v) Revenue Management.
15 Hansard No 205Tuesday 1st March, 2022ORGANISATION 0300 - MINISTRY OF FINANCE AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENTCommittee of Supply It is expected that the implementation of the roadmap will start during the first half of financial year 2022/2023.

Mr Chairperson, in a bid to improve the efficiency and effectiveness of Government spending, the ministry will continue to implement the Zero Based Budgeting (ZBB) system that was adopted in 2021/2022 financial year.
This approach is consistent with Government’s fiscal consolidation measures as it enables Ministries, Departments and Agencies (MDAs) to further prioritise their spending plans by directing resources to areas of acute need, but within the affordability limit.
Furthermore, the MDAs were assisted to conduct more informed budget reviews so as to identify initiatives towards cost containment, cost avoidance and opportunities for revenue enhancement in response to changing levels of funding over the medium to long term.

Mr Chairperson, in recognition of the unfavourable fiscal situation that we are facing as a nation, the ministry has embarked on a revenue maximisation and cost saving drive.
The main aim is to broaden the base from which Government could collect revenue, while at the same time identifying areas of apparent wastage in the public sector.

To this end, a number of user fees and service charges in nine ministries have been revised and are being implemented Mr Chairperson, and the full benefits of these endeavours will be realised as the economy continues to recover.
National Population and Housing Census Mr Chairperson, as I already announced in the Budget Speech, the National Population and Housing Census is scheduled to be conducted from the 18th to the 31st March 2022.

Preparations for the census are now at an advanced stage, following the pilot census that was successfully held in October 2021.

The preliminary results of the census are expected in May 2022.
These results are critical inputs into two major exercises of the preparations of the National Development Plan (NDP) 12, as well as the Delimitation Commission, both of which are scheduled for 2022.
Laundering, Combating Financing Anti-Money of Terrorism and Proliferation (AML/CFT/CFP) Legislation Mr Chairperson, following the country’s removal from the Financial Action Task Force (FATF) grey list in October 2021, Botswana remains committed to ensuring that FATF standards are implemented fully and effectively.
Botswana continues to work with regional inter-governmental organisations to strengthen its Anti- Money Laundering/Combating Financing of Terrorism and Proliferation framework, Financial Action Task Force (FATF) and the Eastern and Southern Africa Anti-Money Laundering Group (ESAAMLG).
(AML/CFT/CFP) In this regard Mr Chairperson, Botswana has had to amend and develop a total of 16 pieces of legislations to comply with the FATF recommendations, which were approved by Parliament at its Special Meeting in January 2022.

Among the laws approved was the re- enacted Financial Intelligence Act which resulted in several consequential amendments of other legislations, including the Companies (Amendment) Act, Trust Property Control Act, as well as Societies Act, among others.
In addition to the consequential amendments arising from the amendment of the Financial Intelligence Act, a new Virtual Asset Act was also promulgated in order to strengthen the country’s AML/CFT regime.

Mr Chairperson, based on these measures that the country has undertaken to address the deficiencies identified in the last Mutual Evaluation by ESAAMLG, especially the recent new pieces of legislations passed by Parliament this year, it was determined that the country is now ready for re-rating.
Accordingly, Botswana has since submitted in February 2022 Mr Chairperson, for re-rating by ESAAMLG which will take place during the September, 2022 ESAAMLG meetings.

Financial Inclusion Mr Chairperson, a new FinScope survey was successfully completed in 2020 and was launched in September, 2021.

The survey reported a decline in financial exclusion in Botswana, from 24 per cent of adults in 2014 to 16 per cent in 2020.
The report was used to inform the Making Access Possible 2021 report, and will be vital in the drafting of the National Financial Inclusion Strategy of 2022-2027.

Meanwhile, the ministry has enlisted the assistance of Southern African Development Community (SADC) to produce a new National Financial Inclusion Roadmap and Strategy for the period 2022-2027.

The report on the National Financial Inclusion Strategy is expected in April of this year Mr Chairperson.
16 Hansard No 205Tuesday 1st March, 2022ORGANISATION 0300 - MINISTRY OF FINANCE AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENTCommittee of Supply Public Procurement Reform Mr Chairperson, as part of the Public Sector Reforms, a new Public Procurement Act has been introduced to replace the Public Procurement and Asset Disposal Act.

Efforts are under way to commence the implementation of the new law in April 2022.
Among the ongoing activities by the ministry to prepare for the commencement of the new law are: (i) Finalisation of the Regulations, (ii) Undertaking a readiness assessment of Ministries, Departments and Agencies (MDAs), (iii) Establishment of the Tribunal; and (iv) Transformation of the Public Procurement and Asset Disposal Board (PPADB) to a Regulatory Authority.
Public Private Partnerships Mr Chairperson, as part of efforts to streamline the implementation of Public Private Partnership (PPP), the new Public Procurement Act provides elaborate provisions to guide the execution of PPP projects.

The guidance on the procurement of PPP projects has in turn been expanded in the PPP Regulations, which form part of the comprehensive Public Procurement Regulations.
In addition, the planned review of the Public Finance Management Act (PFMA) during the course of next financial year, also provides an opportunity for improved implementation of PPPs in the country by addressing among others, issues of Government guarantees, fiscal commitments and contingent liabilities.

further improve these should the enabling All environment for private sector participation in the provision of infrastructure and infrastructure-related services.
Digitisation Mr Chairperson, the ministry has taken a deliberate action to expedite digitisation services in line with the Reset Agenda and the 4th Industrial Revolution.

One of these reforms is the modernisation of the Current Financial Management Systems, through the implementation of an Integrated Financial Management Information System (IFMIS) strategy which will be implemented in April 2022.

MR HIKUAMA: On a point of procedure.


Mr Chairperson, ga ke itse gore o ka re thusa jang, re gaisana le meropa kwa ntle, we hardly hear the presentation.

Ga ke itse gore meropa e e itayang kwa ntle re ka e thusiwa jang gore gongwe e fokotsege, there is a lot of noise, ga re utlwe sepe gotlhelele.

MR CHAIRPERSON: Thank you Honourable Member for Ngami, they are also on a national event.

Ke bana ba lona ba sesole, mme ba a fetsa in five minutes.
Ke kopa gore re ba itshokele ka gore re ba file tetla ya gore ba tle go direla gone fale.

Honourable Minister, are you going to finish up?

MS SERAME: Thank you Mr Chairperson.


Furthermore, the ministry continues to make annual upgrades to the integrated online computer system called Government Accounting and Budgeting System (GABS), to improve on its efficiency in providing real time information for decision making and statutory reporting of financial performance in the Annual Statements of Accounts (ASA).
In addition, the ministry is in the process of automating the GEMVAS Customer Relationship Management System, to allow customers, who are public officers to apply for GEMVAS loans online.

This is expected to improve delivery of this service, and contribute to productivity in the public service, as public officers will be able to access the service online.
CREATING ENABLING ENVIRONMENT FOR SERVICE PROVISION Mr Chairperson, the ministry is in the process of constructing the Financial Intelligence Agency (FIA) office building in Gaborone.

The aim of the project is to provide an enabling environment for the public officers to deliver the services to the customers more efficiently.

The design for the project has been completed, and construction is planned to start in April 2022 and with completion date of November, 2023.
Mr Chairperson, maintenance of building continues to be a serious challenge at the Ministry Headquarters and district offices due to various reasons.

Facilities are old and dilapidated, and over the years, the ministry has had to make do with minor maintenance and repair of electrical and mechanical faults on account of budgetary constraints.

In this regard, the ministry intends to undertake major refurbishment of the headquarters building and PPADB offices in the next financial year.
17 Hansard No 205Tuesday 1st March, 2022ORGANISATION 0300 - MINISTRY OF FINANCE AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENTCommittee of Supply REVIEW OF THE ACTIVITIES OF PUBLIC ENTERPRISES Mr Chairperson, allow me to review activities of some of the Public Enterprises that fall under the ministry.

Mr Chairperson, to promote more effective border controls, Botswana is negotiating a number of one stop border posts with neighbouring countries through Botswana Unified Revenue Service (BURS).
Following a successful negotiation and launch of one in May, 2021 between Botswana and Zambia at Kazungula, Botswana is also finalising negotiations of a One-Stop Border Post Agreement with Namibia at the Mamuno and Trans-Kalahari Border Posts.

The aim is to have the agreement signed during the Financial Year 2022/2023.
In addition, Botswana is at the initial stages of negotiating One-Stop Border Post Agreements with each of South Africa (at Tlokweng and Kopfontein Border Posts) and Zimbabwe (at Ramokgwebana and Plumtree Border Posts).

Negotiations will continue during the Financial Year 2022/2023.

Mr Chairperson, Botswana Institute for Development Policy Analysis (BIDPA) continues to discharge its mandate of providing research for evidenced-based public policy making.
In this regard, the BIDPA has been undertaking a number of evaluation and reviews of public programmes to inform public policy.

include Mr Chairperson, as part of its contribution to the Government overall response to COVID-19 pandemic, the National Development Bank (NDB) extended forbearance measures which repayment holidays and loan restructuring.

To date, P416 million of the Industry Support Fund has been invested in 508 entities, with 12 611 jobs sustained.
The bank also participates in the Government Guarantee Scheme administered by Export Credit Insurance and Guarantee Company Botswana (BECI).

In this regard, NDB has assisted 20 businesses with loan facilities amounting to P35 million.

Mr Chairperson, undergoing transformation following the enactment of the Public Procurement Act.
the PPADB is STRENGTHENING OF FINANCIAL SECTOR LAWS Mr Chairperson, the ministry continues to reform the financial sector to update and modernise it, as part of the Reset Agenda and to comply with international commitments.

I would highlight a few: 18 • A Bill to amend the Collective Investment Undertakings Act was approved by Parliament last year, objective was to address shortcomings and restrictions in the previous Act.

• A number of legislations reforms are planned in the future Mr Chairperson.
Among these is the Bank of Botswana Act, Retirement Funds Act and taxation laws.

• The Retirement Funds Act will be amended to modernise it, and address some shortcomings that have been identified.

In particular, it will strengthen the provisions for dealing with AML/CFT matters, align the legislation with international best practice, improve corporate governance in pension funds, and review the clauses governing the withdrawal of pension savings by members.
The preparation of the Bill to amend the Act is at an advanced stage, and the aim is to present it during the current meeting of Parliament.

Mr Chairperson, the other Acts are the Credit Information Act which was passed last year, and it will commence in the next financial year.
BUDGET UTILISATION FOR FINANCIAL YEAR 2021/2022 the overall Mr Chairperson, level of Recurrent Expenditure for the Ministry of Finance and Economic Development (MFED) stood at 78.96 per cent of the warranted Recurrent Budget, as at 16th February 2022.

At the same time, the overall level of revenue collection for the ministry stood at 95.83 per cent against the target.
Mr Chairperson, the level of expenditure for the Development Budget as at 16th February, 2022 was 38.3 per cent, and some of the challenges hindering progress in the implementation of our projects include prolonged procurement processes for the FIA Office Building and unsuccessful tendering for the PPP consultancy under the Statistical Surveys and Studies project.
Even though the expenditure level is significantly below the target Mr Chairperson, it is anticipated to increase as the Population and Housing Census project accounts for a large part of the development budget is commencing this year.

Another setback in project implementation is the Machaneng revenue office which was out-sourced, the contract has since been terminated Mr Chairperson.
Hansard No 205Tuesday 1st March, 2022ORGANISATION 0300 - MINISTRY OF FINANCE AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENTCommittee of Supply PROPOSED MINISTRY FINANCIAL YEAR 2022/2023 BUDGET FOR Mr Chairperson, the total proposed budget allocation for the Ministry of Finance and Economic Development for Financial Year 2022/2023 amounts to Two Billion, Seven Hundred and One Million, Two Hundred and Fifty-Four Thousand, Nine Hundred and Twenty-Three Pula (P2 701 254 923), which represents an increase of 110 per cent over the Financial Year 2021/2022 approved budget.
From this amount, the Recurrent Budget amounts to Two Billion, Three Hundred and Eighty-Nine Million, Eight Hundred and Thirty-Six Thousand, Eight Hundred and Ninety Pula (P2 389 836 890) while the Development Budget amounts to Three Hundred and Eleven Million, Four Hundred and Eighteen Thousand and Thirty-Three Pula (P311 418 033).
Recurrent Budget Mr Chairperson, the sum of Two Billion, Seven Million, One Hundred and Ninety-One Thousand, Seven Hundred and Eighty Pula (P2 007 191 780), which is 84 per cent of the proposed Recurrent Budget, will be allocated to the Ministry Headquarters Organization 0301.

The proposed allocation to Headquarters also includes an amount of Two Hundred and Fourteen Million, Five Hundred and Fifty Thousand (P214 550 000) as provision for subventions to parastatals that fall under the ministry.
Mr Chairperson, out of the budget for Public Enterprises, Eight Hundred and Thirty-Nine Million, Two Hundred and Seventy-Five Thousand, Nine Hundred and Ninety- Nine Pula (P839 275 999) or 66 per cent for recurrent and Four Hundred and Twenty-Four Million, Seven Hundred and Seventy Thousand Pula (P424 770 000) or 34 per cent for development is to cater for ongoing and new development projects for border security, ICT, infrastructure and other projects Mr Chairperson.
Mr Chairperson, on the Recurrent Revenue, the ministry is estimating to collect the sum of Fifty-Seven Billion, Nine Hundred and Eight-One Million, Eight Hundred and Forty-Five Thousand, Nine Hundred Pula (P57 981 845 900) for the financial year 2022/2023.
Development Budget Mr Chairperson, I am requesting Three Hundred and Eleven Million, Four Hundred and Eighteen Thousand and Thirty-Three Pula (P311 418 033) and this will cater for Ministry Computerization; Statistical Surveys and Studies; Consultancies as well as Infrastructure.

CONCLUSION Mr Chairperson, this concludes my presentation of the Financial Year 2022/2023 Recurrent and Development Budget Proposals for Organisation 0300.
Mr Chairperson, I therefore, move that the sum of Two Billion, Seven Hundred and One Million, Two Hundred and Fifty-Four Thousand, Nine Hundred and Twenty-Three Pula (P2 701 254 923), of which Two Billion, Three Hundred and Eighty-Nine Million, Eight Hundred and Thirty-Six Thousand, Eight Hundred and Ninety Pula (P2 389 836 890) is under the Recurrent Budget, and Three Hundred and Eleven Million, Four Hundred and Eighteen Thousand and Thirty-Three Pula (P311 418 033) is under the Development Budget for Organisation 0300 be approved and stand part of the Estimates for Financial Year 2022/2023.
I move accordingly.

I thank you Mr Chairperson.

MR CHAIRPERSON: Thank you Honourable Minister.

Honourable Members, the matter is open for debate and the slot goes to the Honourable Chairman responsible for Finance and Estimates Committee, precisely the handsome Letsholo for Kanye North.

MR LETSHOLO (KANYE NORTH): Thank you very much Mr Chairperson.

Unfortunately, maranyane a lwa le nna, jaanong ga o na go bona bo handsome.
I thank you Mr Chairperson for this opportunity to contribute and in fact express my support for the budget under discussion as presented by Honourable Serame.
Mr Chairperson, I would like to start off by commending the Ministry of Finance and Economic Development on the planned initiatives articulated by the Minister, including zero-based budgeting, conversion from cash to accrual accounting, inclusion of PPPs as the procurement tool in the new Procurement Act, replacement or upgrading of GABS system le tse dingwe Mr Chairperson.
Re lapile ke “system e down.” I nonetheless cannot help but express that these positive developments and initiatives have been too slow to come to light.

We really need faster reforms Honourable Chairperson.
Mr Chairperson, as I reflect on this ministry’s budget, my view is that the issue of building back the Government Investment Account (GIA) is one of the most important, if not simply the 19 Hansard No 205Tuesday 1st March, 2022ORGANISATION 0300 - MINISTRY OF FINANCE AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENTCommittee of Supply most important challenge for the Ministry of Finance and Economic Development today.

Mr Chairperson, six years ago the GIA was reported at about 35 per cent of Gross Domestic Product (GDP).
Now it is reported at less than 5 per cent.

As a consequence Honourable Chairperson, our credit rating will continue to face downward pressure, borrowings will be more expensive and our buffers against former shocks will be weakened.

The Honourable Minister says that the target is to build it back to about 15 per cent.

The big question for me is how?

Is it by increasing tax collections and raising prices on Government services?

I do not think this is good enough Mr Chairperson.


At the least, I really was expecting the Minister to outline how this will be done and where the funds will come from, for illustration purposes, she could say X per cent of revenue from the new Value Added Tax (VAT) initiative will go to the replenishment of the GIA.
The Ministry of Finance and Economic Development needs to address in a very comprehensive, meaningful and confident manner, the question of building back our savings, that is the GIA in a sustainable manner back to about 30 per cent and not only that, then putting in place fiscal golden rules to ensure that we do not deplete these reserves ever again.
Honourable Members, colleagues, you will recall that these were being depleted before COVID-19, so we cannot even use COVID-19 as an excuse for the depletion.

Absolutely not!

I state that we cannot be the generation that will be seen in future to have bankrupted the country.

Regarding PPPs, we have to remember that in June 2009, the then Ministry of Finance and Development Planning launched the PPP Policy and implementation framework.
Therein it was written this and I quote, “in the 2002/2003 Budget Speech and the National Development Plan (NDP) 9, Government announced that PPP will be used extensively as a form of procuring and financing infrastructure project in the public sector.” Honourable Chairperson, it is rather disheartening that since that statement, 20 years ago, there does not appear to be much progress at all save for the SADC Head Office building and the Ombudsman offices.
In the 2022/2023 Budget Speech, at Section 45, the Honourable Minister states, “while progress may appear to be slow with the implementation of PPPs, it is essential for Government to fully evaluate the fiscal commitments and risks that may be entailed in long-term PPP contracts.” This slow progress has to be met with specific and urgent corrective actions.
Honourable Chairperson, nonetheless, I am pleased to hear that eight power generation projects will be implemented during 2022 using a PPP model involving Independent Power Producers.
I urge the ministry to accelerate the implementation of all the other stated projects including the reclamation and Treatment of Gaborone Wastewater for potable use; the Sehithwa- Shakawe and Francistown-Nata roads, cross border railway projects to South Africa and Zambia as well as the construction of student accommodation and teachers’ housing.

Honourable Chairperson, teachers’ housing is an absolute emergency.
insofar as PPP Another glaring opportunity opportunities is concerned is that of a suitable hospital in Kanye, patela sa gaNgwaketse.

This hospital is such a significant and urgent need that we have to explore any and all possibilities to bring it to life.

A PPP model for this exists in neighbouring South Africa as an example.

The Nkosi Albert Luthuli Central Hospital is the PPP hospital situated in Durban.

The value to Government of this hospital is about R4.5 billion in a 15-year contract.
Honourable Chairperson, I agree with the Minister that it is essential for Government to fully evaluate the fiscal commitments and risks that may be entailed in long term PPP contracts.

This is because not all projects lend themselves well to a PPP.

Examples around the world Honourable Chairperson have shown that typically large complex projects which are beyond the budget of a Government and have the possibility of a recurring future income, best lend themselves to PPP programmes.
Again examples from neighbouring South Africa include the Gautrain-an investment in excess of USD3 billion in a 20-year contract; Mozambique-South Africa Gas Pipeline- investment in excess of USD 1 billion in a 25-year contract and the N3 Toll Road - an investment in excess of USD 700 million in a 30-year contract.
Therefore Honourable Chairperson, in identifying and earmarking potential PPP opportunities in Botswana, Government needs to understand and accept that PPP requires a different paradigm of business thinking and not the typical bureaucratic thinking of Government.

On this basis, my view is that the current practice for PPPs where Government identifies the PPP opportunities, does the feasibility study and then goes out to tender is not ideal.

Government does not have the requisite business mind.
Government must allow the private sector to identify and articulate the opportunity that they 20 Hansard No 205Tuesday 1st March, 2022ORGANISATION 0300 - MINISTRY OF FINANCE AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENTCommittee of Supply see and make viable unsolicited proposals.

After all it is their money.

The only way PPPs can work and be implemented expeditiously is through unsolicited bids, but it is taking too long for the policy or the Act to be amended to include unsolicited bids.

This is now more than urgent.


that Honourable Chairperson, I do believe the decentralised procurement has to be given a chance.

I however, hasten to point out that it also has the potential to open up new avenues for corruption and wastage of Government funds.
There has been no mention of safeguard in this context, hence I propose that independent individual private citizens be appointed to the Ministerial Tender Committees (MTCs) perhaps as Chairpersons as it happens in such establishment as the Alcohol Fund because the current practice is that it is the Deputy Permanent Secretary (DPS) or the Director who is given the Chairmanship, who is appointed by the PS and report to the PS.
This does not give the necessary credibility and confidence but including individual citizens will give the credibility and confidence… MR CHAIRPERSON: Order!

Order!

Honourable Member for Kanye North.

Despite the fact that you are the most handsome Member of Parliament (MP) in this House, I am going to make you stop your debate and then I will request the entire House to suspend our deliberations to break for lunch.

Bon appétit Honourable Members.


PROCEEDINGS SUSPENDED AT 1:00 P.M. FOR APPROXIMATELY 1 HOUR PROCEEDINGS RESUMED AT 2:00 P.M. “EXCHANGE OF SPEAKERSHIP” MR SPEAKER (MR SKELEMANI): Pray be seated.

HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… MR SPEAKER: Order!

Order!

Honourable Members, good afternoon, let us resume our business of today with questions.
QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER ELECTRIC FENCE ALONG PLOUGHING FIELDS (i) if she intends to erect an electric fence along ploughing fields/farming drift fences to control elephants crossing into the fields where they destroy crops and people’s boreholes; (ii) to give an estimate of the number of elephants roaming the area and whether she finds this a healthy situation in a farming area; (iii) if there is any place for relocating the elephants from the area; and (iv) if the Nkange Constituency is covered as an elephants hunting area.
Later Date.
BOTSWANA’S GAMING INDUSTRY MR T. LETSHOLO (KANYE NORTH): asked the Minister of Investment, Trade and Industry to apprise this Honourable House on Botswana’ gaming industry, more particularly: (i) what is happening to the National Lottery and what is causing the delay; (ii) when will the National Lottery licence be issued; (iii) if citizens are marginalized in the issuance of the National Lottery licence; and if not, how they are going to benefit in the Lottery as business proprietors and as players; (iv) when will sport betting licences be issued; (v) if he is aware that there are table games played out in the streets where there is betting; and if so, why has the Gambling Authority not done anything about including them under their scope of licensing; (vi) how much in total has Government spent on the Gambling Authority since its establishment; and (vii) how many fact finding and benchmarking missions has the Gambling Authority undertaken since it was established and what is the commutative cost of those trips.
MINISTER OF INVESTMENT, TRADE AND INDUSTRY (MR KGAFELA): Good afternoon Mr Speaker, ke leboga Motlotlegi Mopalamente ka potso e. DR N. TSHABANG (NKANGE): asked the Minister of Environment, Natural Resources Conservation and Tourism: (i) National Lottery ka se sebaka e mo seemong sa gore go bo go kile ga sekwa magare ga dikompone tse pedi tse di neng di iteisana borathana di batla 21 Hansard No 205Tuesday 1st March, 2022QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER go fiwa licence ya National Lottery, e bong Growmine (Pty) Limited le Ithuba Botswana le yone Gambling Authority ka sebele.
Ba ne ba kile ba tsenya ba Growmine (Pty) Limited, ba tlhophilwe gore ba tlaa tsweledisa pele dipuisanyo tsa gore ba neelwe licence, e le dipuisanyo fela, e se gore ba neelwa licence.

Ya re go ntse go tsweletse sengwe sa bo se tsena gare, Gambling Authority ya bo e fetoga e supa fa ba sa kgona go fitlhelela dilo dingwe.

Ya bo e ba seegela fa thoko, jaanong e latela the reserve bidder, e bong Ithuba yo o neng a ntse a eme malala-a-laotswe.
Ya re ba simolola go buisana le Ithuba, Gambling Authority ya ikuela fa go nna ke le Tona, e kopa gore ke tshereganye.

Re ne ra emisa dipuisanyo tseo magareng ga Gambling Authority le Ithuba, fa appeal e emetswe gore e sekasekwe.

Appeal ke letse ke e sekasekile maabane ke e atlhotse, ke dumela gore beng ba yone ba setse ba tshotse mokwalo wa me.

(ii) Gore kwa pheletsong licence e tlaa dika e tlile leng, se se tlaa laolwa ke gore ditsheko tsa bone di ya go felela leng.
Gore ba bo ba fetile ka ofisi ya me, ga go reye gore go fedile, ba na le tshwanelo ya gore ba fetele pele ba ye kwa makgotlatshekelong, gammogo le gore ba felele ba fitlheletse kwa Court of Appeal tota.

Re tlaa re re ready go ntsha licence ya National Lottery, fa re itse gore jaanong ditsheko tsotlhe di fedile.
(iii) Go tseyeng seabe ga benggae, ke supe gore dikompone tse di neng di iteisanela borathana licence e, tsotlhe di ne di na le investors, suppliers gammogo le babereki ba e leng citizens tsa Botswana.

Ke rurifatse gore both the preferred applicant and the reserve applicant ba ne ba na le benggae within those companies.

Gore Batswana ba tlaa ungwelwa ke eng, ke rurifatse gore tsholofelo ke gore they will benefit by firstly go nna shareholders mo dikomponeng tse.
Sa bobedi le gore ba amege mo supply contracts tse re solofelang gore di tlaa tsalwa ke the issuance of the licence, gammogo le khiro e e leng gore re e solofetse fa yo fentseng a setse a neetswe licence ya to operate the National Lottery.

Tsholofelo ke gore Batswana ba nne ba fenya beke le beke jaaka re itse lotteries di operate.

Go na le the National Lottery Distribution Fund, e e tlhomilweng ka fa molaong.
Tiro ya yone ke gore ka madi a e ka bong e a amogela, e bo e ntse e thusa sports, bodiragatsi le bopelotlhomogi fa go tlhokafalang teng, gammogo le go thusa those that are cultural activities tsa rona Batswana.

Ke tsone dintlha tse ke ka di supang gore fa licence e sena go fiwa, ditsholofelo ke tsa gore Batswana ba tlaa ungwelwa ke eng le eng.

(iv) Ke supe gore licence e motlotlegi a botsang ka yone, gore e neelwe, Gambling Authority e tshwanetse go e advertise, e advertise application e bitse baipapatsi.
Ke rurifatse gore process ya gore pitso ya baipapatsi e diragadiwe, e setse e simolotse.

Re solofela gore re tlaa kgona gore re bo re le mo seemong sa gore advert e bo e palame in the second quarter ya ngwaga wa 2022.

(v) Metshameko e motlotlegi a e supang mo ntlhaneng e, ke tse ka fa industry di itsiweng gotwe ke amusement machines.

Ga di yo ka fa tlase ga Gambling Act, ka jalo they are not classified as gambling devices.
Re le ministry through the authority le ka thuso ya mapodise, gale le gale re e tle re tlhabiwe podi matseba ya gore go na le motshameko golo gongwe wa pecho o o welang ka fa tlase ga Gambling Act, mme o le kwa ntle ga molao.

Go iwe koo go ye go phuruphutshiwa, dithoto kgotsa didirisiwa di tsewe fa di fitlhelwa.

(vi) Ngwaga wa 2014/2015, Gambling Authority e ne ya neelwa madi a a ka tshwarang P2, 857, 411.

Ngwaga wa madi wa 2015/2016 ya neelwa P11, 983, 843.

2016/2017 ya neelwa P23, 582, 151.


2017/2018 ya fiwa P26, 798, 714, ka 2018/2019 ya neelwa P31, 719, 740.

2019/2020 financial year e filwe P41, 730, 801, e bo e re ka ngwaga o wa 2020/2021 ya bo e neelwa P37, 266, 632.

(vii) Fa e sale Gambling Authority e tlhamiwa, e tsere mesepele gane to benchmark gore ba bangwe ba ba dirang tiro e e tshwanang le ya bone, ba e dira ka tsela e e ntseng jang.
E rile fa go ipaakanyediwa go ntshiwa licence ya National Lottery, ba ne ba etela mafatshe a Southern African Development Community (SADC) e bong Malawi, Mauritius le South Africa go ya go ithuta ka ba ne ba setse ba tsweletse pele, gore bone ba operate lottery licences gore e re fa ba di dira ka kwano, a bo ba na le lesedi leo.
Fa go tsena mo go online gaming, e ne ya re ka 2019 ba etela kwa Malta go ya go ithuta gore maungo gammogo le dikgwetlho ke eng tse di ka itemogelwang fa go tsenwa mo online gaming.

22 Hansard No 205Tuesday 1st March, 2022QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER Madi a ba a dirisitseng mo mesepeleng e mene e ke buang ka yone e; e rile fa ba ile kwa Malawi ba dirisitse P209, 426.37, Mauritius P326, 668.53, Aferika Borwa P17, 675.00, and Malta P14, 576.18.
Ke supe gore fa ba ile kwa Malta, ba ne ba fetela gape le kwa ga Mmamosadinyana; United Kingdom (UK) go ya kwa le go boa.

Ke tsone dipalo tse ke di tshotseng tse Motlotlegi Mopalamente, gammogo le Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente.

Ke kopa go ema gone fa.

Ke lebogile.

leboga MR LETSHOLO: Supplementary.

Ke a Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente.

Ke leboge le Tona.
Ke leboge le Tona.

O ka re tlhalosetsa gore dikompone tse pedi tse a neng a bua ka tsone tse di phadisanyang thata, tse di fa godingwana gore ka a re tsotlhe di na le benggae, are they wholly citizen-owned kana partly?

E e wholly ke efe, e e partly owned ke efe?

A re tlhalosetse gore a tota go ne go sena gore ba ka dira jang go tsenelela kwa teng go thusa e e leng gore e wholly owned ke Batswana.
Potso ya bobedi Mr Speaker, ke kopa o ntetlelele ka gore ke eletsa go nopola mafoko mangwe a ke kileng ka a bua gore ke botse Tona potso ya teng sentle ka one.

Ke batla a re tlhalosetse gore totatota Botswana Gambling Authority tebelopele ya yone ke eng?

E batla go direla lefatshe la Botswana eng?

Ke batla go simolola go nopola fa Mr Speaker, mo puong e ke neng ke bua ka yone mo State of the Nation Address (SONA) response ya me ka ngwaga wa 2019.
Ya re, “there is simmering growth opportunity in hosting recreational initiatives and improving our hospitality to cater for the first world.

The potential of the recreation space in Botswana is busting at the seams.
Having noted the interest Meetings, Incentives, Conferencing, Exhibitions (MICE), I would like to challenge the Gambling Authority in association with Botswana Investment and Trade Centre (BITC) through possible Public Private Partnerships (PPPs) to harness the drive and structure of private corporations with the legislative prowess of the public sector.
There is an opportunity to explore the possibility of establishing Africa’s largest gaming and recreation resort along the stunning scenery and beautiful hills of Ranaka in Botswana.

This is aligned to His Excellency’s vision to make Botswana a meetings and conferencing place, and a multi sectoral tourism hub underpinned by unflinching quest for happiness, security and comfort.” Se ke batlang go se itse ke gore, what has been done about this?

Has it been simply ignored?


E bile a re tlhalosetse gore ministry le parastatals tsa gagwe what do they do about statements and proposals that are made in Parliament?

Thank you Mr Speaker.

MR KGAFELA: Karolo ya ntlha, ka boikokobetso, ke kopa gore bontlha bongwe jwa yone ke e arabe, bontlha bongwe jwa yone ke se ka ka bo araba.

Ke comfortable go araba e ya gore a ba na le benggae; ee ba na le benggae mo go bone.
Gore are they wholly citizen-owned or not kgotsa nngwe ya tsone is not; se se mpetang gore ke se ka ka araba ntlhana e Mr Speaker ke gore go a sekwa.

Nngwe ya dilo tse e leng gore they are being alleged ke gore Ithuba e tlhaela itshupo ya gore it is a citizen-owned company or e na le weight ya citizenship e ntsi.

Jaanong ke dilo tse di santseng di sekwa, di santse di tlaa tshwanelwa ke gore di rolelwe bosupi.
Part e e leng gore I have decided it, ke ba e neetse, ke e leng gore it does not get into the merits.

Ke ne ka laela fa ke sena go utlwa dingangisano tsa bone tsa molao, go supafala fa molao wa Gambling Authority o sa mphe dithata tsa go reetsa an appeal e e leng gore it concerns the national lottery.

Ke ka reetsa tse dingwe mme e e leng gore it concerns the national lottery, I was persuaded in hearing the appeal gore I have no jurisdiction.

Therefore, I have not gone into those merits.


It is a contentious area which both sides are still going to argue gore a Ithuba does it have citizenship component or it does.

It is an allegation, so, I will leave it as is, until it is proven.

We cannot even make a determination ya gore if one is wholly citizen company and another is not, we should then be inclined to the one which is wholly citizen owned company.
In any event, a document by which an advertisement was given out, invitation to apply for the national lottery, it did not insist in it as a term gore one must be wholly citizen-owned.

Therefore, allow me not to venture much into that because it is still the subject of litigation.

They are still going to take it to court.

Ya bobedi ke re, gambling ke selo se e leng gore bogologolo se ne se sa amogelesege.

Se ne se fatlha.

That is why gambling contracts in the past were not enforceable.
Petšho e ne e sa letlelelwe.

Mebuso a bo e itemogela gore le fa ntswa e sa letlelelwe ka fa molaong, e a diragala.

A bo go tsena seemo sa gore a jaanong a e laolwe.

We cannot outlaw it because our people are doing it nonetheless.

We would rather re dire a framework in which it can then be done legally.

E le gore one of the benefits it brings along with it ke gore, it is a revenue generating activity.

Therefore, Gambling Authority generates revenue for us through facilitating the gambling e e dirwang.
We are hoping to generate 23 Hansard No 205Tuesday 1st March, 2022QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER revenue ka this national lottery fa e setse e le teng.

Tota tiro ya yone e tona ke gore it must generate revenue but at the same time, e bo e tlhokomela ba ba betšhang gore ba betšhe pila, ba se ka ba betšha ka tsela e e felelang e ba tseela ditsabone, kgotsa e ba tsenya mo lehumeng.

It is a regulatory framework and oversight authority e e lebeletseng petšho.
Statements tse di dirwang re le baeteledipele re di tsaya ka tlhwaafalo, re di tsaya tsia.

Fa go na le sepe se se dirilweng mme e le gore go lebega re sa se diragatse, mabati a rona a bulegile gore go tsenwe ka one, re tle go tshikinngwa, re supegediwe gore statement ke se, mme ka ditebogo kwa ntle kwa ga go lebege se diragadiwa.

Tsone re di tsaya tsia.

Ke a solofetsa gore mo ofising ya rona re di tsaya tsia.

Ke tsaya gore ke di arabile dipotso tse pedi tseo motlotlegi.

Ke eme.
Ke eme.

UPGRADING OF INTERNAL ROADS IN GABORONE BONNINGTON SOUTH MR C. GREEFF (GABORONE BONNINGTON SOUTH): asked the Minister of Local Government and Rural Development: (i) when he intends upgrading internal roads, storm water drainage systems and streetlights in the Gaborone Bonnington South Constituency; (ii) how many flood lights were installed in Gaborone; and; (iii) how many were allocated to the Gaborone Bonnington South Constituency.
MINISTER LOCAL ASSISTANT GOVERNMENT AND RURAL DEVELOPMENT (MR MODUKANELE): Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

Ke leboge le monna wa Mokobeng.

OF (i) Mr Speaker, the upgrading of internal roads, storm water drainage systems and street lights infrastructure in Gaborone, including Bonnington is an annual exercise South Constituency undertaken on the basis of budgetary allocations.
The following projects have so far been completed in Gaborone Bonnington South Constituency since 2018 to date; • Paving of 32,620 square metres of roads and installation and commissioning of solar lights and nine flood lights.

• Asphalt overlay, resealing and road marking of various roads.
(ii) So far, a total of 88 tower lights have been installed in Gaborone consisting of; six in Gaborone Central, 28 in Gaborone South, 19 in Gaborone North, 16 in Gaborone Bonnington North and 19 in Gaborone Bonnington South.

(iii) The 19 tower lights for Gaborone Bonnington South Constituency have been installed in Morula ward (two), Bophirima ward (one), Mosekangwetsi ward (nine), Marulamantsi ward (three), Kgale View ward (three) and at Difetlhamolelo ward (one).

Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.


MR GREEFF: Supplementary.

Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

Ke ne ke re ke botse Tona.

A Tona a tlhalose because o bua streets di le pedi di le tharo.

Kana streets tse a di buang Mr Speaker, they do not even make 1 per cent ya the internal roads tsa Gaborone Bonnington South, di kgakala.
Jaanong ke ne ke re gongwe Minister a ko a papamale a tlhalosetse batho ba Gaborone West gore ba ya go thusiwa leng ka storm water drainage, pavement kana go tshelelwa sekontere in the internal roads le street lights gore le bone ba tshwane le dikgaolo tse dingwe?

Potso ya bobedi e le ya bofelo ke gore ka gore Gaborone re lebile gore is the capital city ya Botswana, a ga a bone go tlhokega gore go nne le a special budget e e itebaganyang le storm water drainage system, internal roads le street lights?
A ga a bone kgang e e siame gore ba ka e dira gore Gaborone a lebege tota jaaka the capital city?

Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

MR MODUKANELE: Ke a leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente.

Mma gongwe ke simolole ka ya bofelo e motlotlegi a e amileng, ke re ke motho wa ntlha go dumalana le ene gore indeed Gaborone is the face of this country.

Re a leka Mr Speaker jaaka ke supile gore tse tsotlhe tse re didirang is on the basis of budgetary allocations tse re kgonang go di dira from year to year.
• Paving of Tilwane, Nooro roads, Mookana, Hanahai, Seimacwa and Mbalambi crescents.

• Construction of 300 metre and 540 metre storm water drains along Ntimbali, Mosarwe Cresent and Phoka road respectively.

Ya bobedi gape ke bo ke supa jaana Mr Speaker gore ke maikaelelo a rona gore se re se kgonang re se dire.
Maloba ke ne ke na le motlotlegi teng kwa Gaborone Bonnington South ra bo ra dumalana gore e tlaa re kgwedi e e rogang gompieno re bo re… if I am not wrong, I think re dumalane ka the 17th or somewhere there gore re 24 Hansard No 205Tuesday 1st March, 2022QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER tlaabo re boetse gape kwa Bonnington South nna le ene, re ya go bona ditiro tse di tsweletseng gore di tsweletse ka tsela e e ntseng jang like the pavement of roads Mr Speaker.
I want to hasten to observe here Mr Speaker gore all these are done within the budgetary constraints tse re nang le tsone.

Ga se selo se e leng gore re tshwanetse gore re ka se tlodisa matlho ka nako epe fela, but I do agree with the Honourable Member gore indeed fa re kgonang teng re leke bojotlhe gore re dire Gaborone as the face of this country go lebege.

Re a leka Mr Speaker, I thank you.

MR GREEFF: No, batho ba Gaborone ba ya go ema lebaka le le kae?
MR MODUKANELE: Mr Speaker, through you sir, mma gongwe ke supe jaana gore kana boammaaruri ke gore tokafatso kana development is not an event, it is a process.
Bonnyennyane jo re bo dirang gompieno fa e le gore re kgona to pave ditsela di le pedi di le tharo kwa Bonnington South, ke maiteko a e leng gore fa o kopanya le tse pedi tse tharo that we are paving kwa Gaborone Bonnington North and other areas mo Gaborone, re tsenya dipone tse ke sa tswang go supa gore re ntse re a di tsenya e bile re tsweletse ga re a ema Mr Speaker, at the end of the day, this cumulative effort, ke tsaya gore re tshwanetse re e lebe in totality, re se ka ra e leba with a micro ...(Inaudible)… ya gore re lebile Bonnington South fela.
I thank you.

MR SPEAKER: Last supplementary, Honourable Balopi.

MR BALOPI: Supplementary.

Ke a leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente e bile ke a dumedisa.

Ke ne ke kopa go botsa Tona gore a ga se maikaelelo a lephata go ela tlhoko boleng jwa ka fa ditsela di dirwang ka teng, segolobogolo tse di dirwang ka go pataganya ditena kana paving?

O tlaa lemoga gore ka fa e dirwang ka teng Tona, ba e direla ka fa tlase ga bogodimo jwa lefatshe.
Mo go rayang gore e felela e le gore kwa bofelong e a katelesega, mme jaanong fa ke reeditse ditsompelo, e bile ke itse ka fa o fitlhelang e le gore re berekela mo lefatlhakgofeng ka teng, ke ipotsa gore a ga le batle go tlhomamisa gore go dirwa sentle gore e re fa le bone madi le bo le tsweledisa fa le neng le eme teng le sa ye go epolola tse di setseng di katetswe ke mebu?

Ke a leboga Tona.
Ke a leboga Tona.

Ke boammaaruri gore go na le fa re lemogang gore fa gongwe ditena tseo fa di alwang teng go a bo go ne go sa dirwa sentle, go se compacted sentle kwa tlase.

Mma ke supe jaana gongwe e le sekai se se neng se diragala maloba e se mo Gaborone fela, fa Mahalapye fa renkeng fa re beileng ditena mme e rile fa buses di gata, ditena di bo di riana, go supa gore indeed go ne go sa direga.

Re a ithuta mo dilong tse di ntseng jalo Mr Speaker.
Tsholofelo ke gore we will avoid such situations as we go forward, jaaka batho ba tle ba bue gore prevention is better than cure Mr Speaker.

We can avoid unnecessary costs ka go bona gore fela kwa tshimologong dilo di dirwa ka tsela e e maleba Mr Speaker.
STATUS OF LOBU FARM FENCE MR S. J. BROOKS (KGALAGADI SOUTH): asked the Minister of Agricultural Development and Food Security to state: (i) if he is aware of the status of the Lobu Farm (fence); and if so, what he is doing about it; (ii) the size of the farm and the number of paddocks; (iii) how many paddocks are fully utilised; and (iv) if there are any plans to lease out the ones that are not used to small farmers or youth to improve their livestock.
ASSISTANT MINISTER OF AGRICULTURAL DEVELOPMENT AND FOOD SECURITY (MR MOLEBATSI): Ke a go dumedisa Mr Speaker, ke dumedisa Mapalamente a a tlotlegang.

(i) Mr Speaker, polase ya Lobu Small Stock e na le terata.

Terata e teng e a tshela le fa ntswa e tlhoka go baakaangwa fale le fale.

Polase e e na le masakana kana paddocks di le masome mabedi le boroba bobedi (28) mme tsotlhe di le botona jwa go tswa go 62 hectares to 589 hectares, mme di ne tsa jewa ke molelo ka ngwaga wa 2021.
Lephata la rona Mr Speaker, le mo tseleng ya gore le batle madi gore le kgone gore fa go senyegileng teng, segolobogolo perimeter fence le paddocks re baakanye.

Re solofela gore mo kabong ya madi ya a gompieno re tlaa kgona go dira jalo Mr Speaker.

Se se diragang gompieno ke gore terata e re e baakanya ka phases gore e se ka ya wa gotlhelele fa re santse re emetse madi.

MR MODUKANELE: Ke a leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente.
Ke lebogele Honourable Member for Gaborone North Rre Balopi ka potso eo.

(ii) Lobu Farm e botona jwa 10, 300 hectares mme e na le masakana a le 40.

Mr Speaker, one masakana otlhe a a dirisiwa on a rotational basis kana a 25 Hansard No 205Tuesday 1st March, 2022QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER dirisiwa ka go nna ka go farologana ga teng, mme le fa fence ya teng e ntse e sa nna sentle re a dirisa fela.

Polase e Mr Speaker, e dirisiwa for stud breeding le commercial flock production mo masakaneng one a.
Re godisa tsone studs mo teng.

Re tshwanelwa ke gore re tlhalose Mr Speaker gore the carrying capacity ya farm e kana go ka tsenya tse re neng re batla gore re di tsenye mo teng go bolawa ke gore the vegetation e e mo teng ga e a nna sentle, jaanong ga go kgonege gore re tsenye jaaka re ne re kgona go tsenya diphologolo tse re neng re di batla.
Bontlha bongwe jwa bofelo jwa potso Mr Speaker, kana farm e ke yone e re neng re e dirisitse gore ke centre of excellence, ya gore re dire gore small stock industry kana thuo ya dihutshane e kgone gore jaanong e dirwe kgwebo.

E nne gone mmampodi kwa go bonwang teng gore mme dihutshane di kgona go nna kgwebo.

Jaanong lephata la rona le mo tseleng kana le on the process ya gore re oketse productivity ya farm e gore re kgone go tsenya le production enterprises tse dingwe tse ka go farologana.
Mo bo gompienong ga gona masakana ape a a leng teng kana a a available go ka neelwa banana, ka gore re santse re le mo tseleng ya go oketsa the carrying capacity ya farm e. Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

MR BROOKS: Supplementary Mr Speaker.

Thank you sir.

Thank you Minister of Agricultural Development and Food Security.

Tona, ga ke itse gore ke ka go raya ka reng mongwame gotlhelele fela, dikarabo tse o di re fileng ga se tsone.
Tla ke go botse fela gore when did you last visit Lobu Farm, wena o le Minister, when you did you drive around Lobu Farm go bona gore terata e re buang ka ga yone e kae?

Tota le wena fa o itheeditse ka bo wena, ke ipotsa gore did you tell the Honourable House le batho ba Kgalagadi gore a o a re o badile karabo ya gago pele fa o tla go e balela lefatshe la Botswana, because there is a lot of contradiction mo go yone?

O a re bontlha bongwe bo siame, bontlha bongwe ga bo a siama.
As we go on le fa re tsena kwa paddocks gore the vegetation e e mo teng ga e a siamela leruo, at the same time Kgalagadi fela ka bo yone ke lefatshe la leruo le lesesane.

There is a lot of contradiction, so tota fela ke tsena mo pitlaganong ya go go raya ke re ga o bolelele setšhaba boammaaruri, but those are the questions tse ke neng ke re o ye kwa go tsone o tle o kgone gore o di re tlhalosetse.

E nngwe ke ne ke re gongwe ke tswelele ke tswe mo go eo, o tla e araba mongwame.
O na le badisa ba le kae kwa polaseng eo?

Seemo sa metsi se ntse jang mo polaseng eo Mr Speaker?

La bofelo, when you did you do the rotational grazing jaaka o sa tswa go e supa fa?

When was is it last done kwa polaseng eo Rraetsho?

Re papamale, re bolelele batho ba Khuis/Middlepits catchment area boammaaruri le bone the managers tsa dipolase tse, gore ba tle ba tlhaloganye Minister.

Thank you.

Ke ne ke na le dipotso tse dintsi ka yone, but e nkutlwisa botlhoko because there is a lot of contradiction.
I do not agree with the Minister, let me just say it.

MR MOLEBATSI: Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

Santlha ke simolole ka ya ntlha e a nthayang a re nna, go raya gore o a re nna personally, nna Molebatsi Molebatsi ke ile leng lwa bofelo koo.

Rra, tla ke go gakolole gore Molebatsi Molebatsi personally o na le dibeke tse tharo a le mo ministry o, mme le gone ga go reye gore fa o re Molebatsi Molebatsi…gongwe potso ya gago e ka bo e boditse gore lephata le ntse le ya kwa leng, lwa bofelo le ile kwa leng.
MR BROOKS: You are the one answering honourable, re fe karabo e e tlhamaletseng.

MR MOLEBATSI: Kana e bile ga se potso ya gompieno, eo ke ka bo ke go batletse karabo ya yone.

Gompieno ga ke ka ke ka itse gore lephata lwa bofelo le ile kwa teng leng.

Jaanong fa o re Molebatsi Molebatsi personally, la bofelo a ya kwa Lobu o ne a laleditswe fela a ya go bona ka 2019.

Tse dingwe tota tse o di botsang gore bo rotational grazing, how many farm workers are there, ga se tse di mo potsong ya gompieno.
Potso e ne e botsa gore e botona bo kae, e na le paddocks di le kae, re dira eng to improve the farm.

Se ke se go fileng, jaanong tse dingwe tse di disha.

Ke kopa gore o ye go botsa dipotso tse o batlang gore di arabiwe gone jaana, o kwale tse o batlang di arabiwa fa, o se ka wa tla ka dipotso tse disha.

Go thata gore re go arabe fa o dira jalo.

Ke a go kopa gore kwala potso e nngwe e e nang le tsone dipotso tse disha tseo, tse o ntseng o di botsa.
MR BROOKS: Further supplementary, just a short one Mr Speaker.

Mr Speaker, ga e ka ke Minister a nthaya a re ga ba ka ke ba outsource because part of the farm ba dira rotational a bo a palelwa ke go itse gore rotational e re buang ka ga yone e, ene a buang ka yone e dirilwe leng la bofelo.

Ke ene a supileng gore they do rotational grazing mo polaseng yone eo.

It is not Sam Brooks.

Ke gone fa potso e tswang teng gore, mme gone o e dirile leng lwa bofelo fa e le gore o a e dira?
It is not Sam Brooks Mr Minister and Mr Speaker, it is the Minister.

Thank Honourable Minister.

26 Hansard No 205Tuesday 1st March, 2022QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER HONOURABLE MEMBER: Le tlaa bolaelana fa pele ga rona.

HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Laughter!

)… MR BROOKS: Ka gore o batla dipodi tseo kwa Francistown le dinku tseo wena Wynter, that is why o re re tlaa bolaana.

in the MR MOLEBATSI: Mr Speaker, se ke neng ke se bua gongwe ke boeletse karabo, the part e a e batlang ka Sekgoa.
“My ministry is in the process of improving livestock productivity farm, which entails expansion of the existing production enterprises amongst other things.

Therefore, there are no paddocks available that can be leased out to youths due to the envisaged expansion.” Gongwe ke ne ke e senya ka go e bua ka Setswana.

Se se supang ke gone gore, because re na le gore we are expanding the production capacity therefore, ga re kgone gore re ka neela banana farms gompieno re santse re le mo process eo.
Ke sone se ke neng ke se bua Rra.

Ke dumela gore jaanong e a utlwala.
ELECTRIFICATION OF THANKANE, KANAKU AND MAHOTSHWANE VILLAGES MR M. REATILE (JWANENG-MABUTSANE): asked the Minister of Mineral Resources, Green Technology and Energy Security: (i) if there are any plans to electrify Thankane, Kanaku, Mahotshwane villages; and Se se diragalang gompieno ke gore, go santse go baakanngwa gore jaanong tiro eo ya go ya gokela metse eo e tlaa simologa leng, mme ke solofela gore ga e na e nna thulaganyo ya sebaka se se kae, ka gore ke go baakanya schedules fela gore go simololwa fa kae, go tsenwa fa kae, go neelwa bone boradikonteraka ditiro tseo ka gore madi a setse a bonetse.
Ke yone thulaganyo e e teng ya go gokela metlakase kwa metseng e e umakilweng eo.

Ke a leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente.

MR REATILE: Thank you.

Ke ne ke re ke go leboge Tona mme ke go botse fela potso e khutshwanyane gore kana rural electrification, re sale re e bone gore Batswana ba kgona go dira tiro ka nako ya fa Tona e le Rre Tibone.

Jaanong ke botse gore a le gompieno re solofele gore mo metseng e e 40 e, ke dikompone tsa Batswana kana jaanong o a go tla ka tsa batswakwa Tona?
Ke a leboga.

MR MOAGI: Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

Ke a tlhomamisa, go ntse jalo Rre Reatile.

Metlakase e e dirwang kwa dikgaolong ke dikompone tsa Batswana, di kgaogantswe ka dikgaolo jalo jaaka re bua ka Kgaolo ya Jwaneng-Mabutsane kana ke re Southern.

E na le boradikonteraka ba ba berekelang ka koo, e na le ba ba berekelang mo south, south east, central, north, east, north ka ditsela tse di ntseng jalo e le dikonteraka tsa Batswana, e bile ba na le bokgoni jwa go dira jalo.
Go tsweletse rra ka gore re ntse re gokela metse e le 101 mo dingwageng tse di sa tswang go feta tse tsa 2020/2021 mme go goketswe rra, go ntse go dira bone Batswana, jaanong ke tlhomamise seo.

Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

(ii) to state the schedule of the electrification exercise in these villages.

MR REATILE: O tlaa e tlisa leng jaanong ka gore ga le ke le di tlisa?

E kae?
E kae?

MINISTER OF MINERAL RESOURCES, GREEN TECHNOLOGY AND ENERGY SECURITY (MR tsa MOAGI): Motlotlegi Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo Palamente, ke a go dumedisa Mbidzi.

Ke dumedisa le bakaulengwe mo Ntlong.

Motlotlegi Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo, re le lephata re itse gore Thankane, Kanaku, le Mahotshwane ga di ise di gokelwe motlakase.
Ke tlhomamise jaana gore Kanaku le Mahotshwane tsone di setse di ntse di le mo kanokong, di sekasekilwe gore mo kopong ya metse e ka nna masome a mane e e sa tswang go dirwa mo kgweding e e neng e fela e, e tlaabo e le mo teng kwa go tlaabong go kopilwe gore go ye go gokelwa metlakase ka madi a National Electrification Fund (NEF).

Thankane go raya gore e tlaa sutelela fa pele mo kopong e e tlaabong e tla mo the next financial period e re tlaabong re ya go kopa madi ka yone.
MR MOAGI: Re tlisa eng ne sware?

MR REATILE: Karabo eo.

MR MOAGI: Ke e. MR SPEAKER: Honourable Moswaane.

MR MOSWAANE: Ke supplementary ya kgantele sir.
UPDATE ON THE DECLARATION OF ASSETS AND LIABILITIES MR M. BALOPI (GABORONE NORTH): asked the Minister for Presidential Affairs, Governance and Public Administration to brief this Honourable House on the performance of the Ethics and Integrity Directorate and to give an update on the declarations of assets and liabilities made to date and further state: 27 Hansard No 205Tuesday 1st March, 2022QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER (i) how many Batswana and/or are estimated to be within the bracket of those who ought to declare their assets and liabilities and, furthermore, how many have declared; (ii) whether declarations apply to Government officials and officers only and not to private citizens who are not necessarily working for Government but whose assets and liabilities are comparable to Government officials and officers who declare theirs.
ASSISTANT MINISTER FOR PRESIDENTIAL AFFAIRS, GOVERNANCE AND PUBLIC ADMINISTRATION (MR MTHIMKHULU): Thank you.

Mr Speaker, the Ethics and Integrity Directorate commenced operations on the 6th January 2020 with an establishment of only two posts.

Recruitment of suitably qualified officers is still ongoing and capacity building of the Directorate continues in collaboration with relevant stakeholders.

received the Directorate the first Mr Speaker, declaration form on the 3rd of February 2020.
To date, the Directorate has received 2,889 declaration forms, of which 1,099 have been issued with acknowledgement slips, as having met the requirement of the Declaration of Assets and Liabilities Act.

1,146 forms have been returned to the various declarants for correction and of full completion, while 644 await processing.
(i) Mr Speaker, the estimated number of persons who ought to declare is 4,000, based on the list of names received by the Directorate from the Ministries, Departments and Agencies (MDAs).

More lists continue to arrive as the ministries better understand the categories of persons who ought to declare.

To date, 1,099 declarants have been issued with acknowledgement slips as proof that they have declared.

Out of these 1,091 are Batswana.


To increase declarants’ level of compliance with the requirements of the Act, the Directorate continues to engage declarants and other stakeholders such as Government departments, councils and parastatals through written correspondence and physical and virtual meetings.

The number of such meetings is expected to increase since 31st December 2022 is deadline for submitting second declarations for most declarants.
(ii) The obligation to make a declaration does not apply to private citizens who do not work for Government even when their assets and liabilities 28 are comparable to Government officials and officers who declare theirs.

However, Section 7 requires a declarant to declare, amongst other things, the interest, income, assets and liabilities of any company or business undertaking in which a declarant or the declarant’s spouse, son, daughter, sibling or parent is a beneficial owner.
By so doing, the declarant declares the interest, income, assets and liabilities of the declarant’s immediate family members and business partners who may be private citizens as distinguished from the public officials and officers listed in Section 3 and 6 of the Act.

I thank you Mr Speaker.

MR BALOPI: Supplementary.

Ke a leboga Tona, ke lebogela karabo e e tlhatswitseng dingwe tsa dintlha.
Ke ne ke batla gore gongwe Tona a re tlhatswetse kgang ya gore maikaelelo a gore batho ba kgone go supa mo mpepeneneng jaaka ba setse ba nankotswe dithoto tse ba nang le tsone, gongwe ba ka tswa ba di kolota kante tse ba ka tswang ba amana le tsone e le bodiredi jaaka fa ba supile, a ba kgotsofalela gore ba dira jalo ka botswapelo?
E bile phitlhelelo ya gore molao o salwe morago le go lwantsha tshenyetso-setšhaba, a ba a kgotsofala gore ntswa a buile gore ofisi e santse e ikaga, a mme ba dumela gore mo bogompienong ba mo motlhaleng o o siameng wa go leka go hema tshenyetso-setšhaba le tse dingwe tse di amanang le tsone?
Ya bobedi e bile e le ya bofelo Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, ke go botsa Tona gore batho ba ka tshwara 4,000 ba ba tshwanetseng gore e bo e le gone ba supang dithoto tsa bone mme o supile gore ba le 2,289, ke bone ba setseng ba tsisitse jalo.

Ba le 1.8 ba, a go na le ditshetlana tse le di setseng morago le lemoga, ntle le gore gongwe go santse go ithutiwa, go rutuntshiwa gore ke bafe ba ba tshwanetseng gore ba dire?
A le dumela gore ba dira jalo ka go tlhoka kitso kante ka go nna boitseme mo go beyeng pele se se solofetsweng?

Ke a leboga.

E bile ke tsise kgomotso mo go wena, ke utlwile gore o latlhegetswe mo lelwapeng Honourable Mthimkhulu.

MR MTHIMKHULU: Thank you Mr Speaker.


Mo follow-up question ya gago ya ntlha Honourable Balopi, ke re tota gore a ba Ethics Directorate ba a kgotsofala ka fa declarations di tsamayang ka teng le gore di ka re thusa go lwantsha corruption; ke bone ba neng ba ka supa fa potso gongwe e ne e boditswe beforehand.
Ke ka Hansard No 205Tuesday 1st March, 2022QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER bua fela gore ka fa ke bonang go setse to declare ka teng e le gone e simololang, go a nametsa kwa go iwang teng gore tota batho ba ba tshwanetseng to declare, declared ka bokete.
O tshwanetse gore gape o gakologelwe gore kana yone Act e ya bone ya Declaration of Assets, e ne ya baakanngwa gabedi ngwaga ono go nna go tsenngwa batho ba bangwe gape ba basha, ba ba ka amiwang ke yone Act e. Ke gone go ka tswang go dira gore e bo batho ba bangwe ba gongwe ba amegang, ba bo ba ise ba declare ka gore go tlile kwa morago.
Jaaka o bona gape le bone ba supa gore kana some departments; ministries, ke gone di lemogang kana di nnang le kitso ya gore tota the extent of the reach ya Act ke bomang ba ba tshwanetseng to declare ka bontsi jwa bone.

Ke gone ba bangwe ba ntseng ba bolelelwa, ba rutuntshiwa kana ba bontshiwa; gakere they are ministries.

Jaanong ke gone ba buang gore go raya gore numbers tse di tlaa nna di ntse di oketsega le go feta ene 4,000 ka fa ba buang ka teng.
So we are still in the process ya go fitlhelela ko o batlang go fitlhelela teng ke dumela jalo.

On the second question ya gago ya batho ba o neng o re ba 4,000, 2,800 declared instead of 4,000.

Partly my answer to your first question e arabile yone potso ya gago ya bobedi gore tota kwa Act e simologileng teng, e ne ya baakanngwa gabedi, gararo go ntse go tsenngwa batho ba basha.
Ke gone go ka tswang go dirile gore go bo go na le gore batho ba bangwe ba bo ba sa declare ka nako, e se gore ke supa jalo ke rurifatsa.

Ke one of the reasons jaaka ka fa ba buang ka teng le gore ministries tse dingwe tsone ke gone di itseng gore Act e e affect bomang, ga e affect bomang, maina a ntse a a tla.

Jaanong kana fa maina a ntse a tla jaana, ba ba amegang ba a bolelelwa, ba rutuntshiwa gore ba tle.
Ke dumela gore with time ka ke gone e simologang, ke tsaya gore fa re tsamayang teng re dirile sentle fela thata mme re tlaa nna re tswelela re ba tokafatsa go ya kwa pele.

I thank you Mr Speaker.

MR SPEAKER: Let us move to Appropriation, Clerk.

ASSEMBLY IN COMMITTEE (CHAIRPERSON in the Chair) APPROPRIATION (2022/2023) BILL, 2022 (NO.

2 OF 2022) ORGANISATION 0300 - MINISTRY OF FINANCE AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT (Resumed Debate) MR CHAIRPERSON (MR SKELEMANI): Order!

Order!
Order!

Honourable Members, the debate on this Bill is resuming, when the House adjourned earlier on, Honourable Letsholo was on the floor debating, and he was left with two minutes.

MR LETSHOLO (KANYE NORTH): Thank you Mr Chairperson.
In this last few minutes, let me just use them to look ahead with the Ministry of Finance, and ask them to consider starting a new way of reporting, in particular to consider developing longer term, say five year objectives and themes for the budget, you know, to give an example that with unemployment, national savings and education reform are key priorities, then they should have recurring prominence and updates and the plan.
Currently Honourable Chairperson, it appears that if budget is done with reference only to current issues, and without reference to past issues, I think we need a more consistent focus and priority to long term issues.

Just to give an example Honourable Chairperson that, you can have a family budget where this year I prioritise school fees, next year I take it out and prioritise clothes, the following year the priorities on a new house, that does not quite make sense.
If education for the children and a new home are priorities, we need to see them getting attention each year on a continuing basis.

In other words, Honourable Chairperson, the budget strategy must contain multi-year national priorities and you only add a few items that have come up in the current year, that way we do not forget important long term issues from year to year, just because there are new issues popping Honourable Chairperson.
Just to conclude on that one, that it would also be appreciated Honourable Chairperson, we could see some targets on milestones, or at least some expectation for these new policies or initiatives that the Minister talked about, because without those, it will be very difficult for us to know if the new changes or policies are working or not.
For instance, we need to have an idea of how much additional tax we will collect through the VAT; how much more budget efficiencies are we hoping to gain through zero-based budgeting, or what are the procurement gains that we expect to make through decentralised procurement.

Without these targets Honourable Chairperson, we already have no way of evaluating the effectiveness of our policies, and they may be perceived to not be working.

That way we could not be able to improve Honourable Chairperson.
I thank you.

29 Hansard No 205Tuesday 1st March, 2022ORGANISATION 0300 - MINISTRY OF FINANCE AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENTCommittee of Supply (Resumed Debate) ASSISTANT MINISTER OF BASIC EDUCATION (MS MAKWINJA): Ke a leboga Mr Chairperson.

Ke leboge Batlotlegi.

Ke ema fa go ema nokeng Tona Serame fela thatathata, o dirile tiro e ntle thata.

Go a bonala gore dikitso tota tse a nang le tsone, o kile a boa golo gongwe.

Dikitso tse o a di dirisa.


Re bona pharologanyo e ntsi thata mo Ministry of Finance and Economic Development tse di tlisiwang ke lephata le gompieno.

Botlhokwa jo bongwe ke jwa gore kana Delimitation Commission e tloga e tsena le yone.

Ke dipalo tse di botlhokwa tse re kopang Batswana gore kwa ba leng teng ba leke gore ba tle ba ye go balwa re tle re kgone go tlhopha kwa re batlang go tlhophela teng, kwa re nnang teng gore ditlhabololo di re fitlhele.
E se ka ya re ke nna kae, e bo e le gore ka re nnyaa, nna kwa gaetsho ga go na ditlhabololo ka gore o itse gore o tlaabo o tlhabololela bone kwa o ikwaletseng teng.

Public Finance Reform Road Map ya 2022 to 2027 Mr Chairperson, e dirilwe ka manontlhotlho a a kwa godimo fela thata.

Ke gopola gore Budget Directive Paper e e neng ya tswa, ra e sekaseka, e bonala gore tota e ne e dira gore e re fa re tla go budget jaana, re bo re le mo moonong o o tlaa re isang golo gongwe re le lefatshe.
Ke selo sa ntlha sa ditlhabololo tse ke bonang di le botlhokwa fela thatathata.

Di re isa go tshwana le mafatshe a a gatelang kwa pele.

Re bona mo roadmap e gape a fokoditse dikarolo tse e leng gore our budgeting system e ntse e di dirisa, di le 13 a di isa kwa go five.

Go raya gore tota go ne go akanngwa.


They were lesser focus in ensuring gore tota dilo tse re tlaa focus mo go tsone, kana tse re tlaa itebaganyang mo go tsone re le lefatshe, ke dilo tse di tlileng go tlisa tsone ditlhabololo tse re di batlang.

Mr Chairperson, ke ne ke batla fela go akgola lephata le Tona Serame le bana ba gagwe gore tota fa ministries di ne di ka leba ditiro tsa maphata a bone jaaka ba lebile le, re ne re ka ya golo gongwe.
Ka ga go na nako Mr Chairperson, nte ke tabogele kwa Clause 8 e e buang ka National Population and Housing Census.

Ke lemoge, e bile ke itumelele gore kgang e e tloga e simologa jaaka batho ba rutuntshiwa gore ba ye go bala.
Fa ke re Batswana kwa gae, ke ba kope ka tsweetswee gore ba balelwe kwa ba tshwanetseng gore ba bo ba le teng, ba nna teng, ka gore golo mo jaaka Tona Serame a setse a buile, kana go tlile go re thusa gore re papamatse gore tota NDP 12, ke dife tse re tshwanetseng go ya go lebagana le tsone.

Di tlaa re thusa mo go direng mananeo a e leng gore fa o teng o le Motswana, a tlile go go thusa.

Mr Chairperson, ke taboge gape, ga go na nako.


Honourable Letsholo o ntseetse kgang e ya di PPPs, e re ntseng re e bua go tswa bogologolong.

Ke leboga Tona le ba lephata la gagwe gore re na le tsholofelo e ntsi gore tota PPPs tse Mr Chairperson, di tlaa diragala.

Ke leboge Motlotlegi Letsholo go bo a ne a dirile research ka gore maloba ke ne ka bua gore re lebe fela kwa borwa ba rona gore PPPs di bereka jang, concessions, PPPs, mafatshe a tlhabologa jalo.
Ke teng kwa e leng gore jaanong re tshwanetse go leba teng, e bile re se ka ra leba kwa morago, di tlaa re direla ditsela, sengwe le sengwe fa re di dira ka fa di tshwanetseng go dirwa ka teng.

Ke sone se ke Lebogang Tona thata gore Tona, a e diragale, ga re bolo go bua ka selo se go tswa bogologolong tota.

A se diragale.

Gape ke leboge Tona ka digitisation.

Ba setse ba gatetse kwa pele, ba re their Integrated Financial Management Information System ka April jaana, e tlaabo e tsena.
Golo mo go tlile go thusa fela thata go isa ditiro kwa Batswaneng gore ba thusiwe ka bofefo jo bo kgonagalang.

Ba bua ka GEMVAS gore ke yone e tlaabong e bile e setse e le mo tirisong.

Tona re a leboga, selo se se tlaa thusa mme le itse gore re lefatshe le re kolotang bagaetsho.

Motswana mongwe le mongwe o mo dikolotong, re setse re lelela le one madi a pension gore re kgone go a tsaya, re ye go a dirisa.

Kana o itse gore fa o a dirisa, o ya go sotlega when you retire.
Le bone gore ka tsweetswee somehow somewhere, re nna le provision ya saving e e reng Batswana fa ba tswa fa, ba ka lekang go tshela sentle, ba se ka ba sotlega.

Ke sone se ke reng ke kope Batswana gore ka tsweetswee, ditlhabololo di ya le gore le kae mo lwapeng le ka fa le leng teng.

Ka gore fa le le kwa, go tlile go nna bokete gore sengwe le sengwe se ka nna le sekole, sepatela.

Le tshwanetse le itse kwa le yang teng.


Kgantele le bo le itse gore nnyaa ditlhabololo tse le fa di sa tla, mme gone ke ne ke baletswe fa ke nnang teng, go botlhokwa fela thata.

We are indebted, dibanka le bo machonisa ba a ithekisa, re bone gore re ka ruta financial literacy, just the basics gore Motswana a itse gore madi fa o a tshwere e le P100, fa o mo dirisa o mo dirisitse and o tlile go nna fela.
Jaanong go bo go raya gore re tshwenya the donors, re tshwenya eng ka gore madi a rona, bonnyennyane jo re bo tsayang, re ya go bo dirisa bo bo bo felela foo.

Ga re itse to invest, ga re itse eng.

Tona, thusa Motswana 30 Hansard No 205Tuesday 1st March, 2022ORGANISATION 0300 - MINISTRY OF FINANCE AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENTCommittee of Supply (Resumed Debate) gore a itse gore madi a dirisiwa jang ka gore bontsi jwa rona, re a bereka, mme re humanegile ka gore re jela mo ganong.
Selo se Tona, ke ne ke kopa ka tsweetswee gore re bone gore re ruta financial literacy somehow, ga ke itse gore o tlile go dira jang.

Rona mo education re tlaa leka from very early age jaaka re fetola thuto jaana, gore re rute bana financial literacy.

Ke leboge ba National Development Bank (NDB) Tona, ka gore ba dirile tiro e tona fela thata.

Le fa ke sa bona loans tsa bone tse ba neng ba di ba fa, mme o bua fa e le gore ba file Batswana ba le 20, P35 million.
Kana fa o mo kgaoganya ka 20, e nna about P1.75 million yo o ileng kwa Motswaneng.

Yo re solofelang ka bofefo jo bo sa fediseng pelo, loans tse di ileng kwa temothuong, re tlaa tloga re simolola go bona production, batho ba bona ditiro ka gore madi a mantsintsi fela thata.

A fetlhe ditiro, a re jese fa e le gore madi ao a ne a ya kwa agriculture.

Tona ke go leboge; go na le dilo tse dintsi thata tse ke ka go lebogelang tsone.

Fela e ne e le tsone tseo tse di botlhokwa thata.


O buile gore PPADB jaaka re ne re dira molao maloba, e ya go nna regulatory.

A e tsene mo tirisong gompieno jaana e seng kamoso Tona.

Ke a go leboga, mme e bile ke go eme nokeng fela thatathata.

Ke a leboga Mr Chairperson.

(BOBONONG): Ke MR LUCAS leboga Modulasetilo.


Ke simolole fela ka go supa gore Mme Serame, o tlaa lemoga gore go na le dilo dingwe tse ke di buang, ke di gatelela, e bile ke bua ke di boelela ka mabaka a gore mo go nna di botlhokwa fela thata.

a Selo sa ntlha ke gore re ntse re bua re le lefatshe, re bua gore re dumela thata mo Sustainable Development Goals (SDGs) tsa Lekgotla la Mafatshefatshe.

Fa re dumela mo SDGs, go raya gore SDG 1 maikaelelo a ntlha a yone ke gore re tshwanetse ra nyeletsa lehuma.
Ba kwala ka Sekgoa fela ba re, no poverty.

Ba kwala gape mo SDG 2 ba re, no hunger, ke gore ga go a tshwanela go nna le tlala mo lefatsheng.

Ke tlhopha tsone tseo ke bo ke tlolela kwa go SDG 10 e e buang ka reducing inequalities, go fokotsa dipharologanyo mo gare ga ba ba nang le madi le ba ba tšhonneng thata.

Ke tsone tse ke dumelang gore ke dingwe tsa tse fa re dira ditogamaano Mme Serame, re tshwanetse ra di tseela kwa godimo thata.
Ka gore ministry o, ke wa madi le ditogamaano, re tshwanetse ra bona ditogamaano tsa lona e le gore di bopilwe ka tsela e di latelang kwa lehuma le leng lentsi teng.

Go bonale ka motlhala wa pego ya gago ka metlha gore mme tota Tona wa Madi, o isa madi le ditogamaano e bile o isa ditlhabololo kwa go lebegang lehuma le tlala di le dintsi teng, kwa go dirang gore dipharologanyo tsa bahumi le bahumanegi di bonale.
E bile go a tlhokafala gore gongwe fa a ntse a tsweletse jalo ka ditogamaano tsa ditlhabololo, a re kaetse gore mme lehuma o dumela gore le tlaa fokotsega ka palo e e kae, mo nakong e e kae.

Gone moo go botlhokwa fela thata ka gore ga re ka ke ra baya fela mo go reng nnyaa, mme gongwe le tlaa fokotsega fa re ka dira tsele le tsele.
Re tshwanetse ra itse gore le tlaa fokotsega ka palo e e kae, mo nakong e e kae, gore fa re ntse re tsamaela kwa go bo 2030, 2036, re bo re itse gore mme fa dingwaga di ntse di thatlologana jalo, re solofela gore lehuma leo le tlaa fokotsega ka dipalo tse kae.
E bile gape re tshwanetse ra itse budget le budget, gore budget ya ngwaga one o e o re e baletseng mmaetsho, fa go buiwa ka go dira ditiro, e tshwanetse gongwe ya tlhalosa fela ka botlalo gore mo budget ya mofuta one o, ditiro tse ke solofelang gore di tlaa bonala, di tlaa nna kana, mo tsamaong ya dingwaga tse nne, tse tlhano le gone ke solofela ditiro tse kana.
Go bo go raya gore jaanong o ka tla wa re kaetsa gore mme tota o ka fokotsa letlhoko la ditiro le lehuma ka tsela e e ntseng jang, o ka fokotsa jang dipharologanyo tsa bahumi le bahumanegi.

Ke tsaya gore re gorogile mo nakong ya gore ga re ka ke ra baya fela mo go reng nnyaa, Modimo o teng, gongwe re tlaa fokotsa lehuma.
Re tshwanetse ra baya dipalo tse ka tsone e tlaa reng morago, re bo re ka kgona to measure, le wena re re nnyaa, mme o ne o re solofeditse gore mo budget e, dipalo tsa employment di ka nna kana, poverty re ka e fokotsa ka sekgele se se kana.

Ke nngwe ya dilo tse gongwe re tshwanetseng ra tlwaela gore ke tlaa nna ke di gatelela ka metlha yotlhe.

Sa bobedi se ke batlang gore gongwe ke se gatelele ke go agela dikokomane tsa lefatshe la Botswana boswa.
O a gakologelwa Motlotlegi Serame gore ke ne ke nna ke go botsa dipotso ka bo Government Investment Account (GIA) e ke kgatlhegelang go itse gore tota gatwe mme madi a re a beileng, re a ipoloketse, re a dirisa ka tsela e e ntseng jang, mme a mo selekanyong se se kae.

Kana one madi a GIA, go lebega e le madi a o etleng o a bitse fa gongwe ka sone Sekgoa sa lona sa itsholelo le bo Rre Matsheka gotwe e nna madi a stabilisation.
Ke batla gore go nne le madi a a direlang dikokomane tsa Botswana boswa ka gore fa e le gore lefatshe re beile thata mo diteemaneng, re a itse gore diteemane e tlaa re nako nngwe di bo di fedile.
Fa diteemane di fedile, re sa tlhole re nna le madi, re tshwanetse ra bo re na 31 Hansard No 205Tuesday 1st March, 2022ORGANISATION 0300 - MINISTRY OF FINANCE AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENTCommittee of Supply (Resumed Debate) le polokelo e re e beileng e ka yone re ka tswelelang re kgona go anywa sengwe mo diteemaneng tse di tlaabong di sa tlhole di le teng.

Mafatshe a mangwe a na le mo go bidiwang gotwe ke Sovereign Wealth Fund.

Ke a itse gore Honourable Letsholo o a tle a bue ka yone.
Gone foo ke gone fa re dumalanang teng le Rre Letsholo, re bo re kgaogana gone foo ka ene ke mojanosi.

Sovereign Wealth Fund eo, fa re e dirile, se se tlaa diragalang ke gore dingwagangwaga re sena go felelwa ke diteemane, bana ba lefatshe le, rona re sa tlhole re le teng mo lefatsheng le, ba ka kgona gore ba anywe, ba je interests tsa fund ya mofuta one o ka gore eo ga se e e tlaabong o e tshwarwatshwarwa fela madeodeo, e tsewa nako le nako.
Ke polokelo e e leng gore ga go bonolo gore o ntshe madi mo go yone, mme e bile o a itse gore fa o a ntsha gantsi o ganelela mo go ntsheng interest fela, mme o ntse o sia madi ao a le teng, gore a tle a kgone go somarela dikokomane.

Mafatshe a mangwe bo Norway le ba bangwe, ba dirile jalo gore mo nakong e e tsweletseng, ba bo ba nna le fund ya mofuta oo.

Go na le phoso ya go akanya gore GIA e ka nna Sovereign Wealth Fund.
Nnyaa, tseo ga se tsone ka gore fa re tsena mo mathateng gotwe a COVID-19, nnyaa go a tabolwa fela go a tsewa.

Fa e le Sovereign Wealth Fund, ga go tsewe bonolo jo bo kalo jo ke bo bonang bo dirisiwa.

A re akantshaneng ka kgang e, go a lemosega gore bangwe mo Palamenteng ba a e dumela, e bile ke akanya gore le lona kwa finance, e akanyeng batho betsho.

Re se ka ra tla ra ikakanyetsa fela mo nakong ya rona, re lebala nako e e tlang e re tlaabong re sa tlhole re le teng mo dipolotiking le mo botshelong.
Nako eo e botlhokwa thata e bana ba rona ba tshwanetseng go tshela ka yone, ba itse gore re ba beetse sengwe.

Re se ka ra ja gotlhe fela re kgaritlha, e bo jaanong ka nako eo, e nna e le ditori fela tsa gore, “ee, mme go ne go na le diteemane mo Botswana.

Batsadi ba rona ba ne ba tshela sentle, gatwe e bile papa o ne a nna kwa Phakalane.” Go sa tlhole go na le sepe se bana ka nako eo ba tshelang ka sone.

A re sekasekang kgang e Mme Serame, ke itse gore o motho yo o utlwisisang thata e bile a reetsa.
Ke dumela gore fa re bua dikgang tse di ntseng jaana re bua proposals, ke tsaya gore o di tsaya ka tlhwaafalo, you are noting them, mme e tlaa re mo nakong e khutshwane, re go utlwe o bua ka kgang e e tshwanang le e. Number three, ke kgang e ke tshelang ke bua ka yone e bile ke tlaa tswelela ke bua ka yone… MR LETSHOLO: Elucidation.

Mr Speaker, mma ke go leboge.


Ke elucidate fa go Mopalamente gore, e a buang ka yone a re dinako tse dingwe ba atle ba e bitse Sovereign Wealth Fund, ke e mo Botswana e bidiwang gotwe Pula Fund.

Ke dumalana le ene gore gongwe go batla re akanyetsa jaanong e e fetang eo, jaaka a bua gore Pula Fund e atle e dirwe jangjang.
Pula Fund interests tse e di bonang di kwa tlasenyana, even 1 per cent, but Sovereign Wealth Fund ka gore e tlaabo e invest mo dikomponeng tse dintsi tse di international, e ka bona dipoelo tse di fetang tse re di bonang kwa Pula Fund.

Thank you.

MR LUCAS: Thank you sir.

Ke akanya gore gongwe e bile re tswe ka mogopolo kana Motion, o tle ka wena, ka gore fa o ka tla ka nna o ka nna wa ganwa, ka yone kgang e ya Sovereign Wealth Fund.
Re tle re bone gore gatwe golo fa re agela bana ba lefatshe le bokamoso.

Kgang e nngwe ke ya makgetho motho wetsho, ke dumela gore bontsi jwa makgetho a re nang le one, a babalela batho ba ba dikobo dikhutshwane.

Mo bogompienong morago ga COVID-19, go lebega e kete jaanong re tsentse makgetho a le mantsi.

Rre Matsheka o ne a tsenya a ka tshwara five a a farologanyeng.
Mma Serame le ene e rile fa a tsena a bo a tsena ka tse dingwe tsa user fees, go kgethisa ditirelo tse di farologanyeng tsa transport, le bo phane jalo.

Makgetho a nnile mantsi e bile a lebega a babalela thata batho ba ba dikobo dikhutshwane.
A ko re emiseng lebelo le la go kgethisa batho ba ba dikobo dikhutshwane Mme Serame, re akanyetse gore mo mafatsheng a mangwe batho ba ba nang le madi a mantsi, fa a ntse a feta sekgele se se rileng, gongwe million, a feta wa bobedi, wa boraro, re simolola go tsholetsa lekgetho.

Ke one madi a mantsi a a kwa godimo ga millions tse pedi, tse tharo fela jalo.
A ko re lebeleleng the upper tax rate ya rona, gongwe re ka nna le madi a a botoka fa re ka target ba… MR CHAIRPERSON: Thank you Honourable Lucas, thank you very much.

ASSISTANT MINISTER OF AGRICULTURAL DEVELOPMENT AND FOOD SECURITY (MR MOLEBATSI): Ke a go leboga Mr Chairperson.

Ke simolole ke akgole Mme Serame, ke akgole le Puso gore e bo e tlile ka motlhala wa budgeting o gotweng zero-based budgeting.
O re itseng e bile re tlhaloganya rona ba bangwe gore, o siame mo malatsing a fa re baakanya madi, re lebagana le tse di tlhokang madi nako eo.

Ke motlhala o re bonang o dirisiwa le ke dikoporase tse ditona kwa America, tsa bo Ford Motor Industry, Tesla le Coca Cola, mo go supang re ka o dirisa le kwa 32 Hansard No 205Tuesday 1st March, 2022ORGANISATION 0300 - MINISTRY OF FINANCE AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENTCommittee of Supply (Resumed Debate) lwapeng.
Mogolo a tshwana le mongwame Tshekedi Khama kwa lwapeng, o kgona gore when budgeting for bana ba gagwe school fees, a dirise mokgwa oo, o siame thata.

Mme ke go leboge.

Ke leboge gape gore National Population Housing Census e o tlang ka yone, “Mpala, ke botlhokwa,” e botlhokwa thata.

Ke rotloetse ba kwa garona ba Kgaolo ya Mmadinare, go simolola ka Tamasane, Mogapi, Mogapinyana, Sefhophe, Damochujena, botlhe le bo Tshokwe, Robelela le Tobane gore emang ka dinao le ye go balwa.
Fa le balwa, ke gone go tlaa dirang gore go itsiwe gore le tlhoka ditlhabololo tse di bokete bo kae, fa kae.

E re fa re bua gore re saletse kwa morago ka clinic, Puso e bo e itse gore mme kwa Mogapi tota re palo e e kana, re tlhoka sepatela e seng clinic.

Ke gakolole ka kgaoganyo ya dikgaolo, ka le itse gore constituency ya rona ya Mmadinare e bogole.

Gore ke tswe kwa Mmadinare ke ye Tamasane, ke tlola constituencies di ka nna pedi di le fa gare ga kgaolo ya me.
Bophara jo bo kana jo, gongwe delimitation fa e sena go dirwa ka go bala batho, go ka thusa gore Puso e bone gore e ka dira ka tsela e e ntseng jang gore ditlamelo re di bone sentle.

Ke itse gore gompieno re kgaogane, Makhanselara a me a mangwe a tsena kwa Palapye, a mangwe kwa Bobirwa, ke mathata fela.

Ke tsone dilo tse gongwe delimitation e tlaa thusang.

Mme Serame gape ke go akgole mma, o ne wa re etelela pele wa re tshwara sentle.
Fa re ne re dira melawana ya anti-money laundering ya maloba ele, o ne wa supa gore o motho tota o mme, “mmangwana o tshwara thipa ka fa bogaleng.” Ke dumela gore o a gakologelwa gore ke ne ka tla kwa go wena ka go tshwara ka letsogo, ke go akgola re lebaganye.

O dirile tiro e ntle, re ntshitse melao e 16 ka nakonyana e e khutshwane, mme kwa ntleng ga gore ke ya FATF, e thusa lefatshe la rona.

Ke sone se ke se lebogelang.


Ya financial inclusion, go botlhokwa gore o bo o e tlisitse, ka gore re salela kwa morago ka financial inclusion jaaka o supile dipalo.

Mafatshe a tshwana Rwanda le Nigeria ba setse ba tsamaya kgakala.

A mongwe le mongwe a nne gaufi le gore o ka bona ditlamelo tsa madi.

Ke dumela gore financial inclusion does not mean lesser banking, e batla gore mongwe le mongwe fa a batla ditlamelo tsa madi, a di bone.
Fa ke batla go romelela gongwe modisa kwa morakeng madi, ke bo ke kgona gore ka bofefo a bo a bona ka e-wallet, le tse dingwe.

Motho a se ka a sokola gore a bone madi ka tsela epe.

Se fa re ka se lebelela, go ka nna monate.

I can imagine fela Mme Idah Kanyenga who runs a taxi kwa Mmadinare, a kgona gore fa o batla go tsena mo taxi, o bo o tla ka phone ya gago a tshwere machine, o lebaganya machine le phone o bo o duela taxi, o sa tlhoke go tlhola o rwele madi.

Ke selo se sentle thata.


Ke sebete se molangwana ka public procurement reforms e o buang ka yone.

Public Procurement Act e re e fitisitseng mo Palamenteng, ke molao o mo Pusong ya rona re le Domkrag, ga re ise re dire bontle jo bo tshwanang jo.

Ke bontle jo bongwe jo bo lebaganeng Batswana, o bua ka botshelo jwa Motswana gompieno.

Re tlhola re bua gore meamuso ya lefatshe la rona, segolobogolo theko le thekiso ya dilo tsa Puso, e felela mo batswakweng.
Go boammaaruri, maloba ke ne ke le kwa match go tshameka Rollers le Notwane, ke ntse le mongwe motswakwa o rata match e bile a na le team.

A mpolelela gore ke rekile team, ke tlile fa ke tla go thusa mongwe sengwe, mme ka felela ke dirile kgwebo, Goromente wa Puso ya Botswana o mpeile fa ke leng teng, e bile ke kgona go reka le team.

Fa go ne go diragala jaana mo Motswaneng.

Molao o jaanong o itebagantse le Batswana.


Se setona Mme Serame kgaitsadiaka ke gore a go dirwe (implementation), jaaka o supa gore regulations ka kgwedi e e ya go fela, March 2022 di tlaabo di fedile, le tiriso o solofetsa gore ka April di tlaabo di le mo tirisong, a go diragale.

Re tlile go siiwa ke tenders tsa budget e o buang ka yone.
Ba ba dirang tenders le ba ba ntseng ba senya, dinwamadi tse di ntseng di senyetsa Puso, di ya go bona chance ya go sia molao wa gago fa o ka se ke o o diragatse ka bofefo.

Molao o, o a bua mma.

Section 76 ya molao o, e monate thata.

O bua gore, “except as otherwise as provided under this Act, all works, services and supplies for procurement shall be reserved for a citizen or citizen contractor.” Gakere le a utlwa gore gatweng ne batho?

A Batswana ba utlwa kgang e?


Gatwe ditirelo tsa Puso le theko ya Puso e fiwa Batswana.

Motswana o ka rekisa sengwe le sengwe.

Batswana are ready, more than ready.

Motswana fa o ka mo raya o re a rekise terena, Goromente ga a tlhoke go ya kwa GE kwa Gaborone go e reka.

Goromente o ka roma Motswana gore a tle ka terena kwa GE, a je sengwe mo teng.

Motswana fa o ka mo raya o re a tle ka matlapa kwa ngweding, Luna rocks o ka a tlisa gone fa.

They are ready and hungry.


Ke sone se se tshwanetseng gore Mma Serame, o se lebelele.

Ga re batle go bona Botswana Agricultural Marketing Board (BAMB) e ya kwa Brazil go reka mabele.

Re batla BAMB e rome Batswana, e bana ba rona ba ye Brazil ba ye go reka.

Le yone Embraer; flying machine o rome Batswana ba ye go reka dilo tse teng kwa.
33 Hansard No 205Tuesday 1st March, 2022ORGANISATION 0300 - MINISTRY OF FINANCE AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENTCommittee of Supply (Resumed Debate) Digitisation e e neng e buiwa gone fa, e botlhokwa.

Fa re leng teng, go tlaare re gagamatse Mma Serame ka GABS.

Ga se GABS fela le tse dingwe di dintsi tse re di bonang.

Kwa go rona re na le mathata a Botswana Animal Information and Traceability System (BAITS) ka connectivity.

Gatwe mathata ke selo gatwe connectivity.


Ke dilo tse dintle tse e leng gore kwa bathong ga di diragale jaaka re ne re solofetse.

Botswana Institute for Development Policy Analysis (BIDPA); o ne o re you are reviewing activities of your public enterprises, e ntle thata.

A BIDPA e re thuse mo maphateng, e dire research.

Re dire evidence based public policy making.

Re se ka ra ya kwa bathong ka melao e e sa welang sentle.

Batho ba tsositse modumo ka restriction of horticulture.
Batho ba re, ga le a tla kwa go rona sentle mme BIDPA e re thuse kwa maphateng.

We must be strengthened gore re tsamaye ka evidence based public policy making.

Re ye ka melao e batho ba e dumelang.

Ga re batle go bona re ya kwa court jaaka vaccine mandate wa maloba re ya go latlhegelwa ke case, e le gore go batla go ka bo go tseneletswe kwa teng.

BIDPA e re thuse ka gone moo.

National Development Bank (NDB) mma e builwe bontle thata.
Rona re bone e dira bontle thata ka nako ya COVID, e filwe a mandate wa P600 million ya mo ntsha, ya reng, e ne e le sekgantshwane.

Ra ba ra tsaya madi a mangwe kwa Citizen Entrepreneurial Development Agency (CEDA) re a isa kwa NDB.

Ke tiro e ntle thata e NDB e e dirileng.

Jaanong ke bona go kwadilwe mo dipampiring gore mme yo o neng a tshwere koo o a tsamaya.

Ao!

motho yo o dirang bontle jaana, o ka mo tlogela Mma Serame?
O dirile bontle jo ke bonang o bo kwadile mo pampiring e. As a way forward, as a PPPs thing a re direng gore dibanka di imolole CEDA.

Botswana Savings Bank (BSB) le private banks as a PPPs thing, di ntshe madi.

Ga ke ka ke ka tlhoka go bua ka PPP, e botlhokwa.

E imolola Goromente gore ditiro tse dingwe tse re senang madi, re di dire ka yone.

Re ka dira madi.

All these investors ba ba tlaabong ba tla mo Botswana, ba ka bona projects tse ba tlileng go tsenya madi mo go tsone.
Ke gone jaaka re tlisa madi mo lefatsheng through Foreign Direct Investment (FDI).

Ba ka kopana le Botswana Public Officers Pension Fund (BPOPF) go dira tsela e e tshwanang le e e tswang mo Mmadinare e ya kwa Tonota.

Ke gone go tlisa madi mo lefatsheng jaaka Rre Letsholo a ne a bua kgantele.

Ditsela tse re tsamayang ka tsone ba re yang Aferika Borwa, N4 ga se ya ga Goromente.

That is why o bona re e duela gone kwa Bakwena kwa tollgates tseo.

Go tlile nako ya gore le rona re dire jalo.


Ke leboga gore PPP o e tsentse as part of the Public Procurement Regulations.

Tsholofelo ke gore ka March 2022, re tlaabo re utlwa o bua sengwe ka yone gore regulations tsa teng o di apeile, di gorogile.

Ke tiro e ntle thata.

Ke a leboga.

INFRASTRUCTURE AND MINISTER OF HOUSING DEVELOPMENT (MR MOLALE): Ke a leboga Modulasetilo wa Komiti ya Kabomadi.

Ke tsweledisa kgang ya me ya maabane ya itsholelo.


Ke leboge Tona Serame for her presentation e ke dumalanang le yone.

Re ikgakolole dingwe di se kae.

The financial year back or two re ne re bua ka Asset Management Register, e e neng e ya go re thusa go itse gore how endowed are we ka assets tse re nang le tsone, di tlhokomelwa jang le gore di ka re thusa mo accrual accounting e re neng re re we are shifting towards it.

The biggest problem e ke tlang ka yone ke maintenance of these assets.
We need to know kwa di leng teng, re bo re di shafatse.

Go lebega o kare golo fa go a re palela.

Nna le wena o a itse gore some years back when we were Planning Officers, every project memo e e neng e kopa madi for development, re ne re tsenya 10 to 15 per cent ya kopo madi mo memorandum.

Go nna le madi a go baakanya le go tsamaisa asset ya go nna jalo.

Go lebega golo mo go emisitswe.

Ga ke itse gore ke eng assets tsa rona di felelwa ke boleng ka fa re bonang ka teng?
Golo fa ke ne ke eletsa gore re go sekaseke.

Fa re ka dira maintenance ya assets tsa rona countrywide, ga go na handyman yo o tlaa tlhokang tiro le OC contractor e e tlaa tlhokang tiro.

Ga go na dikonteraka tse di tlaa tlhokang tiro go dira medium scale kind of maintenance ya dilo because we have assets all over the country.

Jaanong ke yone job creation at the village level.

Ke yone income generation at the village level.


Ke yone the village economy e e tshwanetseng e kgakgathe, e bonale, batho ba nne le taodi ya tsamaiso itsholelo mo metseng.

Selo sa bobedi se ke batlang go bua ka sone ke procurement.

We have just re-enacted the Procurement Law.

Jaaka Rre Molebatsi a ntse a tlhalosa maikaelelo a yone, ke go isa ditirelo kwa Batswaneng, mark my word, kwa Batswaneng.

Keletso ya me ke gore re se ka ra tsaya ditshwetso tsa procurement mo Gaborone.
Di tsewe nearer to where the people are, so that re arogane this cake across the whole country bogolo jang 34 Hansard No 205Tuesday 1st March, 2022ORGANISATION 0300 - MINISTRY OF FINANCE AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENTCommittee of Supply (Resumed Debate) e e lebaganeng le maintenance le small construction works.

Fa re dira jalo, ga go na ngwana ope yo o tlaa tlhokang tiro.

Fa ba sena assets tsa go dira dikonteraka tseo, Rre Rakgare o teng ka Youth Development Fund (YDF), Rre Kgafela o teng ka CEDA.
Batho ba bantsi ba ba tla a dira, gongwe e bile even in the private sector.

Selo se ke se kopang ke gore these laws, the Economic Inclusion Law le the Public Procurement Re-enactment ke gore re dire mo gotweng popularising those Acts, re tsene, re se ka ra bua fela mo television le radio.

Re ye kwa Dikgotleng, re bo re dire mo gotweng the popular version.

Ga ke itse gore a re itse gore popular version ya go isa molaetsa kwa dikgaolong go tewa eng?
Let me tell you, in the late 70s I used to work kwa Ministry of Agriculture ke santse ke le a student.

Re tshamekisa mo go neng gotwe puppets mme di romela molaetsa.

I remember a young boy kwa Tutume yo e leng gore I see Honourable Tshabang having a striking resembles of that young boy in 1977, yo a neng a gana go tsamaya a re, “ntolamba”, a reeditse molaetsa wa puppets tse.
Jaanong that is what I want, popularisation of these Acts so that di fitlhelele the village level, so that economy e nne facilitated gore e kgakgathe at the village level.

Before ke bua ka PPP, ke dituelo tse di dirwang kwa metseng ya magae tse di tlang late.
I have always given an example ke tshwere phuthego kwa Mokgenene mme yo mongwe a nkaetsa a matter between e le gore sekole that she supplies ka borotho, a policy of Government gore at the village level go nne le a business woman or man who supplies sekole ka borotho, ba ntse six months ba sa mo duele, Trans then attached her and the question was a madi ga a yo kwa khanseleng?

A teng.

A ga gona yo o duelang?

O teng.

Why are you not paying?


So, ke kopa gore Honourable Serame le Honourable Morwaeng le iphe a goal and probably all of us to drive prompt payments to people gore businesses tsa bone di se ka tsa phutlhama.

We have been talking and probably skating around this thing for too long.

Gompieno jaana kwa kgaolong ya me go na le mme yo e leng gore bana ba ntshitswe mo sekoleng kwa Crescent on account of late payment by ministry.

Ke setse ke buile le Minister wa teng mme go bonya.
Golo mo ke go bolaya batho maikutlo mo e leng ba felela ba tshwarwa ke bo high blood fa gongwe ba nne le strokes.

So, prompt payments must be top of the list ya dilo tse di tshwanetseng go dirwa gore re kgone gore itsholelo ya magae e kgakgathe, e nonofe, ditiro di fetlhiwe kwa magaeng.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ke kopa tlhaloso teng fa o kgakgathang teng foo honourable.

MR MOLALE: Ke bua ka PPPs.

O ne o reng rraetsho?

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ke ne ke re ke kopa tlhaloso gone foo nkgonne foo.
MR MOLALE: Fa Mr Chairperson a letla.

Ka bofefo, nako ya me e ile.

MINISTER OF MINERAL RESOURCES, GREEN TECHNOLOGY AND ENERGY SECURITY (MR MOAGI): Point of clarification.

Ee rra.

Ke ne ke re tota eo ya dituelo ke a go tlatsa le nna ke re a re se ka ra felela mo go reng fa gotwe system ga e yo, there is manual payment, a batho ba duelwe, ditirelo di tle di tswelele kwa magaeng.

Ke ne ke batla o e gatelela foo nkgonne ke sa go tseele nako.

Ke a leboga.
Ke a leboga.

MR MOLALE: E rile fa re tla ka GABS, ra bua gore ka gore digitasation ga e ise e nonofe, fa golo mo go tima, revert immediately to the manual system.

Go lebega golo mo go pala and it is on account of lack of supervision and holding officials accountable.

Golo mo bagaetsho, ga re ka ke ra tlhola re baya fa thoko re go loba re go dikologa, it must be dealt with ka gore re bolaya itsholelo ya magae kana metse.
Imagine fela the shame that is being put upon the lady yo ngwana wa gagwe a ntshitsweng kwa Crescent, o jewa setshego on account of late payment by a Government ministry.

Di dintsi tse re ka di fang le jaaka ke ne ke bua ka Mokgenene.

Ya bofelo Mr Chairperson ke gore re kopa gore o se ka wa lebala Honourable Serame gore e re ntswa o bua ka bo Kazungula Bridge, Ramokgwena crossings, a re tsweledise kgang ele.
E ne ya re fa re bua at the Bi- National Commission ra bua gore re ya go aga Plaatjan le Ramotswa, e tsweledise le Honourable Kwape.

South Africa e aga Ramotswa, Botswana e aga Plaatjan, e fedile.

The next was Phitshane Molopo border crossing, mme ke utlwa o kare jaanong go didimetse golo fa.

Phitshane Molopo border crossing e tlaabo e na le Bray, re ntse re tswelela fela re dira bietjie bietjie maak meer.

Jaanong golo fa ke kopa gore go se ka ga lebalesega.
Le tsone dikago tsa Phitshane Molopo border crossing e ne e le gore di ya go tlhabololwa.

A re simololeng re bereke gone jaanong jaana.

Ya bofelofelo PPP; e a diega.

By now re ka bo re setse re tsweletse pele re dira ditiro ka PPP, re sa tsene mo ditshenyegelong tse di feteletseng tsa bo transactional advisor.
Re ka le fa dikai di le dintsi tse go dirilweng 35 Hansard No 205Tuesday 1st March, 2022ORGANISATION 0300 - MINISTRY OF FINANCE AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENTCommittee of Supply (Resumed Debate) PPP projects that were not exorbitant, they were done on time within cost and of good quality.
Jaanong e re ntswa ke go support mmaetsho, ke ne ke re ke latlhele dintlha tse ke bo ke kope gore a re simololeng go leba itsholelo ya kwa metseng ka policies le melao e re e dirang e gore itsholelo ya koo e kgakgathe, ditiro di nne teng.

Re se ka ra leba Gaborone, re lebe metse.

Ke a leboga Modulasetilo wa komiti.

MR RAMOGAPI (PALAPYE): Ke a leboga Mr Chairperson.


Chairperson wa komiti, mma ke simolole fela ka go supa fa ke eme Mma Serame nokeng ka Tshutiso e ya gagwe gape ke le Modulasetilo wa komiti ya lephata le la gagwe.

Ke supe fela gore matshwenyego a ntlha Mma Serame tota mo kgaolong ya me le bo Batswaneng ka kakaretso ke kgang ke e gatwe GABS.

Kgapetsakgapetsa gatwe system e down.

Fa gotwe system e down jaana, kwano mo Palamenteng le re bolelela gore batho ba kgona go duelwa manually.
Batho kwa dikgaolong ba re ga ba itse fa batho ba kgona go duelwa manually, golo moo ga go kgonagale.

Batho ba Modimo, Batswana ba a sokola, bo radikonteraka ba a sokola, la reng ka kgang e?

Kgang ya bobedi ke gore ka nako e nneng Rre Mogae a santse e le Tautona, o ne a simolodisa golo mo gotweng 2 per cent interest in late payment.

Molawana oo o kae ka gore o ne o thusa gore badirelapuso ba duele batho ka bofetshwana?
Kgang ya me mmaetsho e ke tsenang mo go yone ke gore a ko e re re ntse re kanoka lephata la gago jaana o dire ditso, o dire gore batho ba ba FIA ba ikemele fela ka bonosi koo.

Dilo tse di tshwanang le computers tsa bone di se ka tsa nna kwa go Rre Segokgo a di laola jaaka melao e bua, di nne fela e le lephata le e leng gore le nosi le koo ka bolone.

Staff sa lone ba iphirele koo ka bobone.

Golo moo go ka re isa golo gongwe.

Number 3; PPADB reforms; re e lebogetse fela thata ka gore re a e rata.
Letshogo la me ke gore a ko re se ka ya re fa re riana re bo re re re bula lebati le lengwe la corruption.

Matshwenyego a me a mangwefela ke gore kana fa tenders di abiwa ke Accounting Officer, golo gongwe o laolwa ke Tona mme golo gongwe kana e ka nna scratch my back, I will scratch yours, go bo go raya gore go kgoreletsa maikaelelo a gago.

kgaolo ya me le Batswana ka kakaretso le badirelapuso ga ba bone madi ka nako, ba tsaya bo five years motho a tlogetse tiro ka bogodi a ntse a emetse madi a gagwe.
Fa re re e a botsa o utlwa gotwe gatwe file e kwa BURS kana e timetse.

Badirelapuso ba a sokola ba batla madi motho a tlogetse tiro ka bogodi, ba tsene mo dikolotong mo go gakgamatsang mme fa madi a ya go tla e bile a fedile ka ntata ya dikoloto.

Mmaetsho, a ko le lebalebe kgang e ka bophara.

Kgang ya go letlelela batho to cash, a ko le e sekasekeng.

Ra re batho a ba cash from the retirement fund ya bone, e seng gore ba tseye sekoloto ka gore ke madi a bone ba a ipeetse.
Fa motho a cash a bo a aga ntlo, value ya teng e ya go ya kwa godimo fela thata.

Ke dilo tse re reng a di sekasekiwe.

Fa motho a cash gongwe a ya kwa sepateleng jaaka o bua gore Bill ya teng e tlaa tla, a e re fa le e sekaseka, le lebe dikgang tse di ntseng jaana.

Taxation law... HONOURABLE MEMBER: Elucidation.

MR RAMOGAPI: Nakonyana ya me e khutshwane comrade.


Taxation law; dikoloi tsa bo Range Rover le bo Mercedes tse di turang tse di kwa godimdimo, Mma Serame, a ko o sekaseke kgang e. O lebelele gore fa motho a reka koloi ya Range Rover, yo mongwe a reka Maofit o bo o ba kgethisa lekgetho le le tshwanang, ao!

ke eng wa Range Rover a sa kgethe lekgetho le le kwa godimonyana?
Wa Maofit ka ene a bo a ikutlwisa go nna le motho wa Modimo, o bo o mo tlogela o re, “se kgethe, yo kana dikoloi tsa gagwe di dintsi wa Range Rover e bile o batla matobotobo fela.” A ko le akanyeng dikgang tse di tshwanang le tse.

Go tshwana fela le bojalwa.

Fa yo mongwe ke gore a reka bojalwa jo bo turang thata, a a kgethe thata mme yo mongwe fa a reka Chibukunyana fela, nnyaa a a se ka a kgetha thata.
Kgang ya Motor Vehicle Accident Fund (MVA); Mma Serame, re a go kopa jaanong, kana golo fa go ja ba dipatela fela fa.

Fa motho a golafaditswe ke koloi a e nne ene yo o phimolwang keledi ka sengwenya go nale gore go bo gotwe madi a tlaa isiwa kwa sepateleng otlhe.

A private hospital e tseye go le go nnyennyane fela, mme tse dingwe tse e bo e le gore motho le ene o ja sengwe ka gore o golafetse.

Mmaetsho, mma ke fete ka bonako ke tsene mo Number 4; retirement funds.
Kgang e ya retirement funds, Tona, ke a go rapela, ke a khubama, batho ba a lela.

Batho ba Kgang ya Targeted Inclusion Bill or Law, tota mmaetsho ke batla gore o e akanye jaana gore, tsweetswee… ke a itse gore e tsena ka fa go wena e bile gape e tsena ka 36 Hansard No 205Tuesday 1st March, 2022ORGANISATION 0300 - MINISTRY OF FINANCE AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENTCommittee of Supply (Resumed Debate) fa go ba Local Government.

The local small general dealers, Mme Mma Serame re a go rapela.
Kana jaanong when we introduce kgang ya gore re ntshe mo gotweng ke smart switch re bo re re re tsenya karata e batho ba ka yang go reka dijo kwa Choppies le Spar, we will be defeating the purpose e e neng e le gore we empower the small general dealer e e leng gore batho ba bonalebogole le orphans ba kgona gore ba reke mo small general dealer.

Ke re nnyaa, a kgang eo re e lebalebe sentle.

Kgang e nngwe e ke batlang go tsena mo go yone mmaetsho ka bofefo ke ya dikgomo, lekgetho la dikgomo.
Makgetho a a mantsi mmaetsho a dikgomo.

A ko tsweetswee o e lebelele gore… kana lekgetho la kgomo ke four per cent, mme four per cent ya value ya kgomo, ke gore a ke mohumi ke Ramogapi ke ntsha four per cent.

A mohumanegi wa nta ya tlhogo o a iteka, o rekisa kgomo ya gagwe ya bofelofelo o kgetha four per cent, re re ao!

batho ba Modimo, nnyaa, a ko le sekasekeleng bahumanegi.
E bile gape gone foo ka re, fa e le gore motho o na le VAT has registered for it, fa go tla mo go 4 per cent o duela 14 per cent wa VAT gape.

Go tswa gone foo gape fa e tsena kwa slaughter kgomo e o duela P30 tlhogo nngwe le nngwe, re re, e-e Minister, tota makgetho a a re a sekasekeng.

Lekgetho by its nature le tshwanetse gore le kgetholole.

Le tshwanetse go itse gore go na le mohumi kana yo o amogelang salary e e kwa godimo le yo o amogelang salary e e kwa tlase.
Just imagine e le gore maloba o tlisitse melao fa gore fa o amogela kwa tlase ga P3,000 o se ka wa kgetha, mme jaanong motho yo amogelang kwa tlase ga P3,000 fa a rekisa kgomo ya gagwe ya bofelofelo gatwe a kgethe 4 per cent.

Jaanong motho yo o tlaabo a lekana le Rre Molale yo a kgethang 4 per cent, mme tsa gagwe di dintsintsi fela ke mmu le matlakala.

Ke re nnyaa… HONOURABLE MEMBER: Bua ka disutu tsa gago tse di matšhakatšaka, o ntlogele ao!
MR RAMOGAPI: …(Inaudible)…a re di lebelele, re di sekaseke, re bone gore re ka thusa Batswana ka tsela e e ntseng jang.

Kgang ya PPP, ke a gakgamala Mme Mma Serame re ntse re re re dira melawana le tse dingwe.

Go na le projects tse di dirilweng ka PPP.

Let me give you an example, gone fa Land Tribunal fa…(Inaudible)…e e dirilwe ka PPP.

Jaanong ke ipotsa gore ka di sa le di diriwa bogologolo ke eng re sa re gompieno re bo re lebelela gone jaaka go ne go dirwa.
Project e ya Land Tribunal e rile fa e dirwa go tilwe rona re tla aga, lona le tlaa duela rent.

Ke dilo tse e leng gore ga di a bolo go dirwa bogologolo, mme jaanong ke makala gompieno re santse re ntse re re, re batla go ithuta le go bona gore re ka dira jang.

Ke re nnyaa, a re tlhoafaleng re bone gore PPP e a diragadiwa ka gore e ka thusa Puso fela thata, mme mmaetsho ke go eme nokeng ka dinako tsotlhe jaaka o itse.

Ke re a budget e fete o ye go thusa Batswana.

Ke a go leboga.
Ke a go leboga.

OF MINISTER ASSISTANT LOCAL GOVERNMENT AND RURAL DEVELOPMENT (MS MONNAKGOTLA): Thank you Mr Chairperson and good afternoon.

Ke a leboga, mme ke lebogise motho wa mme jaaka a re beile pego ya madi e ntle ya lephata la gagwe.

E bile ke mo eleletse gore…le fa ke tlaabo ke seyo ka Women’s International Day ka di 8, ke re ke leo letsatsi motho wa mme ka di 8 tsa ga March le fa ke tlaabo ke seyo mo Botswana.

Ke re tshwara fela jalo, ke a bona gore o tshwere fela thata.
Mr Chairperson, tla ke simolole ka go leboga lephata le la Madi le Tlhabololo Itsholelo.

Le dirile bontle maloba pele fa Palamente e bulwa ba re baya melawana e mentle ya madi e e neng e baakanya madi jalo through FATF, mme e le dilo tse dintle.

E le gore ba leke gone go tsosolosa itsholelo ya lefatshe.

Ke sone se o bonang ke mo ema nokeng Mr Chairperson.
Ke dumalana le kopo ya ga Tona gore re fetise kopo e ya gagwe, ka gore dilo tse a di buang tsotlhe mo dikopong tse tsa gagwe bogolo jang ka palobatho ke dilo tse dintle, ka gore palobatho e tlile go re thusa fela thata gone go lebelela NDP 12, gore batho ba bantsi fa kae, letlhoko la bone le fa kae, mme e bile re le Puso re ise ditirelo fa kae, go tlhokafala fa kae.
Palobatho ke selo se se botlhokwa, ke kope Batswana kwa gae kwa Kgalagadi North gore ba ye go balwa, gore ditlhabololo tsa rona di nne teng; dikopo tse re di kopileng Puso di nne teng.

Jaaka re itse gore re ntse re sena metsi, ba tlise metsi, re ntse re sena ditsela bogolo jang kwa settlements.

Ke re dilo tse jaaka Tona a ne a di bua tsa National Population and Housing Census e botlhokwa.

Re le Batswana a re e tseyeng ka tlhoafalo bogolo, jang kwa magaeng.
Tona o buile ka molao o mosha wa theko le thekiso ya dithuto tsa Puso, mme a bua jalo gore e lebelelwe fela thata, mme e re fa e lebelelwa Batswana ba e itse kwa gae.

Mr Chairperson, Molao o ke o o botlhokwatlhokwa o o fetisitsweng ke Palamente ngogola, bogolo jang bagwebi ba ba kwa magaeng.
Re a itse gore COVID-19 e ne ya babalela batho ba le bantsi, mme go ba babalela ba ile kwa magaeng, mme ba ya go bula dikompone, jaanong ba tshwanetse go itse ka molao wa theko le 37 Hansard No 205Tuesday 1st March, 2022ORGANISATION 0300 - MINISTRY OF FINANCE AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENTCommittee of Supply (Resumed Debate) thekiso, bogolo jang ba ba butseng dikgwebo.

Fela jaaka Tona a ne a bua, o ne a bo a bua le ka mafaratlhatlha a bone a a duelang bagwebi.

Mr Chairperson, Batswana ba gapetswe.


Go na le selo se gotweng cash flow mo dikgwebong, mme Batswana ba a babalelwa.

Ga se gore Batswana ga ba itse dikgwebo kana business.

Ke gore gantsi ba dira kgwebo le Puso, mme e bo e le gore ga ba duelwe ka nako.

Ke kope Tona gore selo se a a se lebelele ka gore dikgwebo tsa Batswana di tswetswe, bogolo jang bomme, re itse gore kana ke bone ba ba rekisang le go dira borotho le uniform kwa dikoleng.

Ba ba isang merogo le fruits kwa dikoleng.


Ke bua jaana ka gore ke le Mothusa Tona ka fa Local Government and Rural Development, dilo tse kwa magaeng ke tsone tse di tlhabololang Motswana.

Dilo tse, Local Government and Rural Development e bua gone jalo e a re, “batho pele.” E bua ka matshelo a batho pele, mme le lephata le la gago Tona le bua ka matshelo a batho ka gore le tshwere madi, e bile ke lone le le neelang maphata madi.

Jaanong ke sone se o bonang ke bua jaana.

Ke bo ke tsena mo go ya NDB.


Mr Chairperson, ke kopa nako, ga ke bone nako sentle, gore e re ke bua jaana ke tle ke kgone go bona nako gore ke fa kae.

MR CHAIRPERSON: Five minutes.

MS MONNAKGOTLA: Thank you Mr Chairperson.

O buile ka ya NDB mme NDB e thusitse dikgwebo bogolo jang tse di nnyennyane ka gore COVID-19 e ne e babaletse, mme e ne ya ba fa repayment holiday.

E dirile bontle.
E dirile bontle.

Ke ne ka utlwa botlhoko fela jaaka Motlotlegi Molebatsi a ne a bua gore Chief Executive Officer (CEO) go utlwisa botlhoko gore o a tsamaya, mme o dirile tiro e ntle.

O diretse bagwebi ba bannyennyane tiro e ntle, bogolo jang ka e bile ba ne ba gapelwa.

Gone go ba neela a ba thusa... re a itse gore NDB e ne ya atolosa lenaneo la Industry Support Fund, mme e ne e thusa dikgwebo tse di nnyennyane, bogolo jang ka nako ya COVID-19.
Re ne re babaletswe, mme dilo tse le fa go ne go le bokete jalo, ba ne ba kgona gone go duela dibanka.

Ke tlaa tsena mo go reng Tona, re na le revenue office teng kwa Hukuntsi, mme ke re ke a kopa gore revenue e e tshware madi, tsenya bone ba ba itseng gone go tshwara madi ba duele ka nako mo lephateng leo la revenue.

Ke tlaa boa gape ke bo ke bua le ka PPP.

Tona, ga re na ditsela kwa Kgalagadi North, mme PPP e a thusa.
Itse gore Kgalagadi North go na le Trans-Kalahari Highway, mme fela jalo kana go feta diteraka le dikoloi tse dintsi.

Ke yone e e ka tlhabololang ditsela, mme fela jaaka o ne o bua fela jalo ka yone.

Mo lephateng la gago go na le Bank of Botswana mme go na le research and training.

A e rute Batswana ka madi, dibanka di tseela batho dithoto.

Dibanka charge Batswana merokotso e e kwa godimo mme a Bank of Botswana e dire tiro ya yone.
Dilo tse Chairperson, ke tse e leng gore fa di lebelelwa, di ka thusa thata.

E nngwe e ke batlang gore ke e bue ke ya bana gore ke a bona gore o dira tiro e ntle Tona, bogolo jang fa go tla on financing bana, especially kwa tertiary education.

Golo moo go gontle mme e bile ke kopa madi o oketse ka gore re na le bone bana, bogolo jang ba ba tlhokanang le reinstatement.
Ba bangwe tota e bile o ya go fitlhela e le gore ngwana ga a a dira sentle teng mo subjects di le tharo mme a tlhokana le gore a dire ngwaga o le mongwefela, e bo e le gore o ya go bereka.

Ke dilo tse e leng gore ba bangwe gompieno jaana ba bereka Ipelegeng.

Tona, oketsa bogolo jang on financing bana; a bana ba boele kwa dikoleng.
Re batla dingaka, a bana ba ye go dira bongaka, a re se ka ra re madi ga a yo, re bone gore COVID-19 e re dirile jang, e re bontshitse gore ga re na dingaka mo lefatsheng le la rona.

So o buile ka tsone Tona jaanong ke re tswelela.

E nngwe e ke batlang go e ama le fa e le ya lephata la gago ke ya CEDA, gore le yone e dira dikgwebo.

A Puso e bone bogolo jang mo go rekeng, Batswana ba ba dirang kgwebo le Puso.

A CEDA e ba thuse mme ba duelwe ka nako.


O fitlhela e le gore le bone fela jalo ba mo mathateng a gore ba tshwanetse gore ba duele CEDA ka nako, mme a CEDA le yone e ba thuse, le wena o tsenye lentswenyana gone foo.

Ke go ema nokeng, ke a leboga Chairperson.

MINISTER OF BASIC EDUCATION (MR MOLAO): Ke a leboga Mr Chairperson.

Ke ema nokeng Tona, ke dumela gore o tshwere tiro sentle, e tlaa re re ntse re tsweletse ra simolola go bona diphetogo tse di tlaa ungwelang lefatshe le.
Ke batla go tsena mo kgannyeng ya ntlha e e tshwenyang jang ya dituelo.

thata kwa dikgaolong, bogolo Bannabagolo le basadibagolo kwa dikgaolong ba setse ba itse lefoko system e down.

Jaaka re bua re gatelela, gangwe le gape go a buega gore kana fa system e le down, dirisang manual mme go a bonala gore our officers on the ground, tota fela they are refusing to use the manual system.
Kgang e le gore golo mo go ba imetsa mmereko 38 Hansard No 205Tuesday 1st March, 2022ORGANISATION 0300 - MINISTRY OF FINANCE AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENTCommittee of Supply (Resumed Debate) gore fa system e siama, jaanong they transfer the manual work into the computer system.

Jaanong go nna motlhofo fela gore gotwe system e down, tlholang kamoso, e bo e le gore beke e kgona go wela tiro e sa dirwe mme batho ba phakelela kwa tirong letsatsi le letsatsi gotwe system e down, go emetswe yone computer system.
Ke sengwe se re tshwanetseng go se lebelela sentle gore setšhaba se thusiwe le fa computer system e sa bereke.

Re a bona gore there will be upgrading of maranyane a, gongwe a tlaa thusa gore system e nne a bit stable mme fela mo nakong ya gompieno batho ba a sokola kwa dikgaolong ka go sa bona dituelo tsa bone ka nako go ikaegilwe fela gotwe the computer system is not working.

Ke sengwe se se tshwenyang.


Ke batla ke tsene Tona mo kgannyeng ya molao wa pensions o re solofeditsweng gore o tlaa baakanngwa gore gongwe bodiredi e kare ba santse ba bereka, they can cash part of their money and invest, ba itirele botshelo.

Gongwe selo seo fa re ne re ka se dira ka bofefo, se ne se ka thusa le gore batho ba kgone to invest while they are still able-bodied, ba felela gongwe le tiro ba e tlogela ba santse ba kgona.
Go na le gore motho e re a setse a atamela dingwaga tse 60, e bo a itsenya mo dikolotong tse di kwa godimo, fa nako e tšhaya ya gore a ye gae, e nna selelo sa gore mme ke ya go ja eng kwa ke yang teng.

Jaanong selo se se ka thusa gore gongwe se bulele diphatlha tsa mebereko for the younger people to join the working environment, e le gore ba ba ntseng ba le teng they have been able to encash part of their money and invest, e bo ba ya go tsweledisa matshelo a bone kwa ntle.
Ke sengwe se ke solofelang gore re ka se dira ka bofefo ka tsela e e tlaa solegelang Batswana molemo.

Tax collection Madam Minister, gangwe le gape re lela ka makgetho mme ga e ke e re re bua le fa re le baeteledipele fa, re bo re lomaganya lekgetho and services tse batho ba di bonang.
Ke gore we vilify lekgetho gore ke selo se se maswe mme re sa kgone go ruta batho gore gone mme these social services, go ya dipatela batho ba sa duele, gore e bo bana ba tsena dikole re sa duele, it is part of makgetho a re a kgethang a.

A tsena mo letloleng la ga Goromente, a bo a thusa gore re bo re kgona to provide free basic education and a universal health care.

Ke gore go tshwanetse gore lephata la gago le eme ka dinao Tona go leka go ruta setšhaba gore lekgetho mosola wa lone ke eng.
Ga se fela gore motho o a bo a tseelwa madi mo pateng a bo a isiwa go sele, a sa mmoele and be invested mo go ene ka gore all these social programmes jaaka re nna re bua re re a tandabala e okediwe e nne P1,500, a madi a okediwe, re tshwanetse ra bontsha batho gore mme gore a okediwe go nne motlhofo, go tlaa re madi a tswe golo gongwe.

Golo gongwe kwa madi a ka tswang teng in addition, ke gone kwa makgethong a re a kgethang a, ke one a ka thusang go okeletsa bagolo ba rona madi a bone a tandabala.
Ke one a ka thusang go duela gongwe dituelo tse di fa godimo, a ka thusa gore agricultural subsidies tse re di batlang tse, batho ba di bone.

People must be taught gore lekgetho mosola wa lone ke eng in relation to social services, e se ka ya nna e le gore we are always vilifying lekgetho gore ke selo se se maswe as if batho ba utswelwa madi, a bo a isiwa golo gongwe a sa bosediwe mo go bone.
Selo se se ka thusa le gone gore batho le ba ba ntseng gongwe ba iphitlhela lekgetho, fa ba tlhaloganya gore lekgetho mosola wa lone ke eng mo economy le mo matshelong a bone, ba ka le duela botoka ba sa iphitlhe jaaka gongwe go ntse go diragala gompieno.

Ke ela kwa go wetseng kgang e Tona ke ya procurement.

Ke a bona gore jaaka re dumalane gore PPADB and procurement processes will be transformed, ke selo se se botlhokwa.
Kana ga gona selo se se utlwisang botlhoko, gompieno jaaka ministry by ministry re tsamaya re ya go batla madi a budget e e tlang, fa o ka lebelela bontsi jwa rona, our Development Budget, ga gona ope yo o tlodileng 50 per cent of expenditure.

Golo moo go latlha madi a ga Goromente, batho ba latlhegelwa ke ditiro, ga re kgone go isa ditirelo kwa bathong e le fela fa go fetang procurement teng.

Ke dilo tse di tshwenyang.


Tendering process e re e dirisang e dikologa golo go le gongwefela, ngwaga o bo o wela wa madi e le gore ga re a bolo go solofetsa batho gore we will deliver a certain project.

E bo go dikologwa fela between the procuring entity; PPADB, go bo go nna le makalana a mangwe ba ba tlang le bone ba itshunya nko mo tendering process, e bo dilo di ema.

Ke bua se pelo ya me e rotha madi Honourable Minister, ke tshwanetse gore ke se bue.
Rona kwa kgaolong ya rona le Motlotlegi Rra Nkamo, Tonota le Shashe West, re na le tsela e re saleng re lela ka yone ya Mmandunyane-Mathangwane, e e leng gore tota fela re e batla letsatsi leno.

I have been following the tendering process ya yone, ba ministry wa ga Rre Segokgo ba bua gore rona re sale re dirile evaluation and submitted to PPADB ka November last year, and even now PPADB has not awarded.

Fela fa o re o a botsa, ga go utlwale gore gatwe se se tshwereng gore tender e e abiwe ke eng.
O kgona go bona gore mo gongwe go na le foreign interference ya maphata a mangwe a a itshunyang nko in the tendering process.
Mo gongwe 39 Hansard No 205Tuesday 1st March, 2022ORGANISATION 0300 - MINISTRY OF FINANCE AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENTCommittee of Supply (Resumed Debate) ba bangwe e le influence go tswa kwa go ba ba kopang tenders e le gore jaanong ba herelela in between the procurement officers and the procurement entity le gone kwa PPADB, e bo e le gore tenders di felela di fapoga mo tseleng, di tsaya lebaka le le leele, kgantele tender e felela e phimolwa.
Selo seo Government end up losing money, we lose time, go na le cost escalations.

Ke gore e a re project e ya go dirwa, e bo e tura go menagane go feta ka fa e tshwanetseng gore e dire ka teng.

Ke batla go bua selo se Tona, ke supe gore it is something se e leng gore pelo ya me e rotha madi, and we demand gore project e PPADB ba sale ka ba e tshwere, they must award it.

Fa go na le ba ba ngongoregang, they must go to court and ventilate their issues.
E se ka ya nna fa gare fa e leng gore jaanong e bewa fela ga e fiwe batho, mme rona re e emetse kwa kgaolong lebaka le le kanakana, re itse mosola wa yone, le gore e ya go tlhabolola kgaolo mo metseng e e fetang six kwa kgaolong ya me, metse e mentsi kwa kgaolong ya ga Rra Nkamo, and even open up the economy.

Re emetse tsela e kwa Mathangwane, Chadibe, Borolong, Natale Makopo le ShasheMooke.

Ke selo se e leng gore tota re a se tlhoka, we need the Minister to act on it, have PPADB award this project.
Fa go na le yo o ngongoregang, they must go to court ba ye go itsheka gona le gore e bo e le gore our people are pressurised ka foreign interests tse di tsamayang di tsenelela mo tendering.

Ke ne ke batla go gatelela kgang e fela gore procurement process, we need to reform it, gore e tle e re neele ditiro ka bonako because time is money.

Fa gotwe time is money, go tewa gone mo.


Cost escalations di tla gone fa fa tenders di diega, mme go bonwa gore go na le underhand interests tse e leng gore di diya procurement ya rona.

Kwa bofelelong, go omanngwa rona re le mapolotiki, re le Goromente gore we are not delivering on the service, mme e le rona ba re tlholang re tshubiwa ke letsatsi kwa, re gwetlha, re batla Puso, re batla ditlhopho.

MR MOATLHODI: Elucidation.

Ke a go leboga Tona ka mafoko a mantle.


A re bope mosepele, a re latele Tona wa Transport, tsela e e tswa kwa 10th Parliament.

Kamoso ba tsoga ba re raya ba re costs di goletsegile fa o bona re re a e balatele rra, ba re tshamikisitse go ntse go lekane.

Thank you Minister.

MR MOLAO: Tota ke dumalana le wena, fa e le gore go tlhokafala gore re bope lekoko go tswa kwa dikgaolong tsa rona, re ye go dira toi-toi, we must do it.

We want this road now.

Ke a leboga Mr Chairperson.


MR REATILE (JWANENG-MABUTSANE): Thank you Mr Chairperson.

Tlaa le nna ke eme ke dumalane le gore Tona ke yo o tlile mo Ntlong ya gagwe e e boitshepho, go tla go kopa madi a o yang go a dirisa mo selemong se se tlang jaaka Basotho ba tle ba bue ba re go na le selemo.

Mr Chairperson, re tshwanetse fela re simolole gore Tona re utlwile ka fa o ntseng o tla o tsamaya ka teng, mme go na le dilelo tse gongwe motho a tshwanetseng a di go beye pele.
Gongwe o ka bo o lekile go lekodisa Mapalamente ka tsone ka gore Batswana ba a botsa Tona, mme dikarabo di tshwerwe ke wena, mme go lebega o sena keletso ya go ba neela karabo.

Batswana ba tshwenyega thata ka kgang e nako le nako go nnang le bo out of court settlement tse o felelang o di duela go tswa kwa ministry wa gago ka gore ke wena Accountant General.
Jaanong Batswana ba ne ba dumela gore o ne o tshwanetse go nna transparent enough gore o ba supegetse gore ministry wa gore o jele makgetho a Batswana go le kana, ka bokana, ka dikgang tsa bo out of court settlement, re duetse millions tse kana, mme ministry wa gore one re duetse millions tse kana, wa gore re duetse millions tse kana.
Ka go lebega tota mo o batla gore e nne phitlhela Tona, go raya gore e tlaa tla e le potso fela gore jaanong o tle o arabe ka gore dilo tse dingwe tse ke tse o ithaopang, o leka go tlhapha diatla, jaaka kwa kerekeng ke a tle ke utlwe o bua ka Pontius Pilate thata gore o ne a tlhapa diatla, a re monna yo ga ke mmone molato.
Le wena ke dumela gore mo sebakeng se Tona, ka fa e leng gore madi a Batswana a tsamaya ka teng, ditlamelo tsone ba sa di bone, ke dumela gore ke sone se o ka bong o se dirile Tona, wa netefatsa gore you detail ministry by ministry gore bagaetsho, ministry go tsamaya jang, e re fa ba tlaa ba kopa madi, re bo re itse gore no, ba ke bone ba e leng gore nako le nako ba tshamekisa madi thata.
Jaanong tota madi a a re a tseye re a ise ka fa ka gore ke ba e leng gore jaanong we strike deal le ditsala tsa bone kwa, go bo go ya go nna le bone bo out of court settlement.

Ga o ka ke wa itse gore fa e le gore ga re a kgona gore re dumalane le motho pele, e bo e re phelelong re bo re ya gore a re e buele kwa ntle, go raya gore re ne re ntse re batla to strike a deal.
E bile gape Tona, ga ke gakologelwe Ministry of Finance ke o bona o le attached ka mabaka a gore ba dumela gore molao o tshwanetse go salwa morago.

Ministries tse o tshwaretseng sepatšhe tse, nako le nako di mo “in the matter between,” they are attached, jaanong o felela o 40 Hansard No 205Tuesday 1st March, 2022ORGANISATION 0300 - MINISTRY OF FINANCE AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENTCommittee of Supply (Resumed Debate) bona gore go molemo, go kaone fela gore o ka duela madi a a ntseng jalo.
Mo go utlwisang botlhoko Tona, ga ke bone ka letsatsi lepe gotwe Director wa gore kana Permanent Secretary (PS) wa gore, o tseetswe kgato ka gore ke ene a dirileng gore Puso to face embarrassment ya mohuta wa gore, wa gore.

Mo go rayang gore jaanong bo Director le bo PS ba mohuta o, ba a bo ba romilwe.

Jaanong go a bo go raya gore mandate o ba neng ba o neetswe, tota ba tswa go o tsamaisa ka botswerere kwa e leng gore go tshwanetse ka teng.
Jaanong dilo tse Tona, Batswana ba setse ba tlhobaela gore golo fa re tlile go sala jaanong re tshwana le mafatshe a mangwe a a kileng a ne a humile.

O tshwanetse o nne o supa Tona gore ke tsone dikgang tse e leng gore fa re tsena mo go tsone, go supafale gore dikgwetho di teng tse e leng gore jaanong re tshwanetse re bone gore re a di rarabolola.
Tona, kgang e nngwe e ke neng ke batla gore re tle re e bue ke ya gore, lefatshe la Botswana le Puso ya gompieno ya Domkrag, e ne ya tla ka lenaneo le Batswana ba neng ba le ratile, le go supafalang gore jaanong fela ka gore Batswana ba ne ba le rata, jaanong le a le nyeletsa, ka gore jaanong Batswana ba le bitsa la ga Khama.

Ke rile mananeo a a bitswe ka bo Healy jaana, a tle a tswelele a sologele Batswana molemo.
Lenaneo le la Nyeletso Lehuma, Batswana ba ne ba rekisa dipodi, ba bo boa ba ya go di tsaya kwa go yo o neng a neetswe dipodi e le gore payments ga di tswe.

Ba ya go di tsaya di setse di tsetse, ba di busetsa kwa masakeng a bone, ba tlhoboga gore ga re ka ke ra tlhola re bona madi.
Jaanong mo e leng gore nako le nako, dituelo di nna bofefo, ke tsa fa le gweba le bagwebi ba batona, fa le gweba le batswakwa, fa go tla go tsena mo mothong yo o kobodikhutshwane, a tshela ka podi ya gagwe fela, le tsaya podi six months le sa e duele Tona, golo mo ke matlhabisaditlhong, e bile go utlwisa botlhoko.
Batswana le fa gompieno gotwe go tsamaiwa mo gotwe re batla dipodi tsa Nyeletso Lehuma, ga gona ope yo o nang le kgatlhego ya go bona a neela Puso dipodi tsa gagwe, ka gore le dirile gore Batswana ba sheme Puso gore ga ba ka ke ba tlhola ba gweba nayo ka mabaka a gore le gana go duela Batswana, le nna ka madi a bone, mme le tsere dithoto tsa bone.
Motswana ga se gore o a bo a go neela dipodi tsa gagwe ka gore di a bo di mo tlaletse, o a bo a di go neela ka gore o mo bothateng o batla gore a iphakolole golo gongwe fa bothata bo mo tshwereng teng.

Ke sone se ke neng ke batla gore tsone dilo tse, o bone fela ka fa ministry wa gago o tlhabisang Puso ditlhong ka teng, e bile o dira gore Batswana ba sheme go gweba le Puso ka teng, ka mabaka a gore le gana go duela Batswana ka nako.
Yo e leng gore nako le nako o botabota fa diofising tsa lona, ke yo o neng a ntse a bolelelwa gore system e down, ga o yo mo database ya rona.

Jaanong tsone dilo tse, bolelelang Batswana gore re tlaa tsaya dipodi tsa yo e leng gore o mo database, Batswana ba tle ba nne ka dithoto tsa bone, gore le je le ba database, Batswana ba tswe mo go lona.

MR MOATLHODI: On a point of clarification.


Ke a go leboga Motlotlegi Modulasetilo, ke a go leboga Motlotlegi Mopalamente wa Jwaneng-Mabutsane, e bile ke lebogela kemedi ya gago e e popotla.

A o a lemoga motlotlegi gore one mafoko a o a buang kwa kgaolong ya me, for instance, ga go na ope yo a tleng a ye go gapelwa dipodi gotwe Goromente ga a duelwe?
Ke eng fela o sa e tsepege jaana mokaulengwe wa me yo ke mo ratang thata Rraagwe Masa, gore go na le bangwe badirelapuso ba ba sa tlhokomeleng gore ba batlele dikgaolo tsa bone madi ka nako a a lekaneng ka gore kwa kgaolong ya me, bongwanake ba duela sentle thata.

Ke one a ke a buang tsala ya me.

MR REATILE: Tla ke go leboge Mopalamente wa Tonota, Honourable Moatlhodi, Rraagwe Nkamo.

Go ka tswa go ntse jalo.


Ke ne ke bua ka kgaolo ya me ka gore ke ne ke ise ke ko ke inspect kwa kgaolong ya gago gore go tsamaya jang.

Ka bolesego wena o kgonne to inspect kgaolo ya me fa ke bua dilelo tsa kgaolo ya me.

Fa o ne o buile pele, ke ka bo ke rile ga ke tshwane le kwa ga Honourable Moatlhodi, kwa kgaolong ya me go na le bothata.

Jaanong o utlwile gore go raya gore go a farologana.
Tona, kgang e nngwe e ke batlang gore o e tsibogele, ke ya insurance companies le dibanka, fa ke tsaya loan kwa bankeng, netefatsa gore o rute Batswana, o bo o ba bolelele gore banka ga e a tshwanela go mpatlela insurance ya bone.

Ke na le right ya gore ke saene le insurance company ya me go na le gore nako le nako ba bo ba nneela insurance policies tsa companies tsa bone gore ke saene tsone.
We want to empower Batswana kwa re bonang ba simolola ba thuthuga teng, jaanong nako le nako bone ba tlaabo ba re saenisa le dikompone tsa batswakwa.

Ga go na ka fa dikompone tsa Batswana tsa insurance di ka golang ka teng ka gore ba setse ba roba molao, ba dira jaaka e kete go a bo go le legitimate gore nako le nako ke saene le bone.
Fa ke ka saena 41 Hansard No 205Tuesday 1st March, 2022ORGANISATION 0300 - MINISTRY OF FINANCE AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENTCommittee of Supply (Resumed Debate) le insurance company ya ga Rre Moatlhodi go tlaabo go le molato e bile ga ke ka ke ka bona loan.

Jaanong netefatsa gore dilo tse o a di tlhamalatsa Tona.

Ya bofelo Tona ke kgang ya PPP jaaka o rerile ka yone thata, ke kgang e e utlwalang sentle.

Ke go bolelele gore PPP e a lekwa.


Ministry wa gago o diega to approve it ka gore ba dikhansele fa ba tswa kwa dikhanseleng, ba bone yo ba ka gwebang le ene ba e isa kwa Local Government.

Ba Local Government fa ba sena go e bona, e fetela kwa go wena.

Fa e tsena kwa ministry wa gago e a pheka (parking).
Jaanong ga ke itse gore mo go ya ditsela wa re o ya go kgwisa ba ba berekang ka dilo tsa PPP dijeso ka motlhale o o ntseng jang ka gore lefatshe la Botswana le ka bo le le kgakala ka dikgang tsa PPP, ba tswa kgakala ba ntse ba di eme pele ba sa batle gore kgang ya PPP e tswelele.

Ke go bolelele fela gore ke a itse gore batho ba African Development Bank (AfDB) ba kile ba ne ba tla go ruta gore dikgang tsa PPP di tshwarwe jang, mme go supafala ministry wa gago o se na kgatlhego mo dikgannyeng tse.
Ke a itse gore go na le fa re fetileng ka PPP teng kwa dikgannyeng tse di tshwanang le tsa kwa Land Tribunal ke nngwe ya tse ke di gakologelwang, but go tswa foo, go bo go nna tshootshoo kwa ga Motshodi.

Go supa tota gore ga re batle PPP re batla kwa go nang le tenders teng kwa kickbacks di ka nna teng, e le gore fa ke go neela o tlaa njesa sengwe.

Jaanong PPP kana gone ga go na jaaka ke ka ja sepe, e tlaabo e le gore yole o tla ka madi a gagwe, ke ntsha lefatshe ke le Puso.
Go thata go ja mo PPP jaanong fa o ka se ke wa e emela ka dinao Tona, e tlaa tshela e le mo dipampiring, ga nke go tla go diragala gore yone e diragadiwe.

Ke sone se ke khubameng fano, ke go rapela le fa mme o se ka o rapelesega gore leka go bona gore o a e baakanya Tona yo ke mo ratang wena o sa nthate.

Ke a leboga Mr Chairperson.

MR MAJAGA (NATA-GWETA): Thank you Mr Chairperson.

Le nna ke tseye sebaka se ke supe fa ke ema nokeng kopo ya ga Motlotlegi Serame.
Batlotlegi Mapalamente ba buile dikgang tse di tona bo Rre Molale, Rre Molebatsi le Rre Molao botlhe ba ba buileng fa pele ga me.

Ga ke na go tsaya sebaka se se kalo ka gore it will be like a repetition, mme go le molemo Mr Chairperson, gore dikgang tse re di bue.

Kgang ya ntlha, ke a kopa Mr Chairperson, ke a go kopa Tona, ya go baakanya kgang ya payments jaaka batlotlegi bangwe ba setse ba buile ka yone.

It has paralysed botshelo jwa dikgaolo le metse.

Go dirwa fela ka kgang, batho ga ba duelwe.


Fa e le rona ba dikgaolo tsa bo 300 kilometres (km) go tswa foo re report kwa bo Tutume le Serowe, o ka utlwa botlhoko tota o bona gore tota ga ke a dira Puso e, e na le bangwe ba ba e dirileng.

Ke a tle ke bue jalo because motho o tlaa emela payment a le kwa Gweta, Nata kana kwa Manxotai, e le kwa Tutume e bo e tsaya three months.
This thing Mr Chairperson is so painful thata, mme Batlotlegi Mapalamente ba buile ka yone le tsotlhe tse di ka dirwang gore go nne le tokafatso.

Honourable Minister, kgang ele ya deadwoods e sale ka e eme fela ka nako ya bo Rre Mogae le Rre Molale, ga ke itse gore e ne e emisetswa eng.

Ga ke itse gore go tshabiwa eng.

Rona ke eng fa five years a fela, re ya ditlhophong e bile go sa bodiwe.
Ga go nke go bodiwa ope, go iwa ditlhophong after five years, bangwe re tlaabo re le mo Ntlong e, bangwe re tlaabo re seyo ka 2024.

E bile ga go na le fa e le mathata.

Jaanong ya bodirelapuso, ke a ipotsa because some of these things o kare molemo wa teng ga o itsiwe, mme o le straight fela, some people do not want to work.

Batswana le banana re a bona go na le Interns ba tletse mo.
These are Degree holders ba batla go bereka ba bantsi thata ba rutegile, mme batho ba bangwe ga ba batle go bereka, just to facilitate payments.

Kgang e le nna ke e gatelele Modulasetilo.

Fa e le ya tendering, ke ne ka leboga maloba, re fetisitse melao ka bontsi, mme ke a kopa Mr Chairperson, a Tona a ye go laola, a ye go kgweetsa.

Ga re reye a kgweetsa fela gore kana o a reng, a kgweetsa gore Puso ya gagwe e tle e bone sebaka mo nakong e e tlang.

Batswana ba bone ditirelo.


A badiredi ba e leng gore tota ga ba kgone go bereka, ka gore go kile ga nna le policy le dingwe tse di dirilweng, a ba ye go dira dikgwebo.

Ba ba santseng ba le energetic, ba batla go bereka a ba tsenngwe mo ditirong ba bereke because golo moo, re setse re itse gore go bakiwa ke eng.
Tona fa le ka se ka la kgweetsa and introduce dikonteraka tsa bo two and a half tse di tsamaelanang le term ya rona ya Mapalamente, le go dira gore fa o sa batle go bereka, o kobiwe bangwe ba bona, nnyaa go tlaa nna go ntse go dikologa fela o kare mosi o o sa buiweng, mme re itse gore bothata ke eng.

Kgang ya allocation of tenders; go builwe ka tsela ya Mandunyane-Tonota.
Kgang eo fa o le Mopalamente, fa e feta mo Palamenteng ya bo 10 le 11 Rra Nkamo, le mo go ya bo 12 Batswana ba sa bone tsela, ba tsaya gore ke wena mathata.

Ga ke sa tlhole ke bua Rra Nkamo, ke setse ke beile mo Modimong le mo dithapelong.

Fa tsela e sa bonale jaaka Francistown-Nata le ya Dineo ya 2017, ke yone e setseng fela mo lefatsheng la Botswana.
Ya 42 Hansard No 205Tuesday 1st March, 2022ORGANISATION 0300 - MINISTRY OF FINANCE AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENTCommittee of Supply (Resumed Debate) Nata-Maun, the bad part ya Zoroga, ditsela tsotlhe tse di sentsweng ke Dineo di dirilwe yone e bo e sa dirwe, kamoso o utlwa gotwe go abiwa tender, ao batho ba Modimo!

Go baakantswe molao Honourable Minister wa timing ya tenders gore they should be awarded ka nako go dirwe eng, jaanong se se diang ke eng?
Kana o kare lefatshe ga le na madi Honourable Chairperson, mme madi a le teng.

Madi a a boa, a ko go dirwe report.

Ke santse ke tlaa botsa Vice President (VP) ka ke ene who coordinates maphata le Matona gore go buiwe ka maphata otlhe a a busang madi ditiro di sa tsamaye, ke mo PAC.

A tle a bue mo Ntlong gore le rona e re re le kwa dikgaolong, re re lephata la gore le busa madi, mme ditirelo di sa tsamaye, fa e le gore ke la ditsela.

Dilo tse gongwe di ka re berekela mo Batswaneng.


Batswana ba kgakala; Rre Molale le Rre Molebatsi ba buile dikgang tse dintsi, tse di tona gone fa tse ke tsone tse di ka dirang sustenance ya metse.

A Batswana ba tlogelwe ba hume tlhe batho le bone, kante mathata a teng ke eng?

Go tlaa nna gotwe corruption fela.

Le motho a fentse tender-nyana ya uniform, corruption, sengwe le sengwe ke corruption, mme kwa merafeng e mengwe ga o ka ke wa utlwa go buiwa ka corruption, ga o ka ke.
Fa e le Motswana fela ke corruption le fa e seyong teng.

Batho ba Modimo nnyaa, lefatshe leno, it is like we are cursed, mme go sena boloi bope, boloi bo le fela within.

Jaanong ke ne ke re dikgang tsone tse a re ipaakanyeng.

Fa o le lepolotiki, re a itse gore ditlhopho di tlaa go ja, fa o le modirelapuso, if you do not want to serve, just go.

There are lots of people.

Ke jaaka o bona gompieno batho ba mafatshe a mangwe, ba batla go ithaopa go ya go lwa kwa bo Ukraine.
Le mo tirong, mafatshe otlhe gompieno, fa o re go na le ditiro mo Botswana, batho botlhe ba ka tla go bereka.

Jaanong, a ko re lebelele kgang ya Accident Fund Mr Chairperson.

Re bone gore molao o ka fa re bonang dikotsi di diragalang ka teng le ka fa go dirwang ka teng batho ba thusiwa, e ka tswa e le mo bookelong le eng, gongwe re leke to revisit it.
Nngwe ya ditiro tsa rona Mr Chairperson, ke gore, fa re bona o kare molao ga o thuse setšhaba sentle le Batswana, re kgona to review and amend it, so that the intended beneficiaries, o kgone go ba thusa sentle.

Molao o wa Accident Fund le policy ya teng, o tshwanetse gore o baakanngwe Minister.

A ko le o bone, le dire some amendments re o baakanye, o thuse Batswana sentle.

O tshwana le o o neng o buiwa wa banalebogole, o fitlhela batho ba teng ba sotlega o kare ga gona sepe se se ba thusang.
Gongwe fa o ka baakanngwa, the intended purpose ya molao o o ka sologela mosola batho ba ba ka thusiwang ke Accident Fund and related issues.

Re a bona gore lefatshe la rona jaaka re bua ka ditlhabololo tse re di tlhokang, dikotsi di diragala letsatsi le letsatsi and re setse re na le banalebogole ba bangwe e leng results of these accidents.

Kgang e nngwe o le motho wa mme Minister, ke a kopa, ga go batle o nna.
Re a itse gore ga o na mothusi, mme try to go le lefatshe le o lale kwa Maun, Tutume, Phitshane Molopo le Gantsi o bone.

Fa o ka nna o tsaya tse di buiwang fela tse tsa gore senior Government officials will report to you, fa re ya kwa go 2024 o tlaabo o tshwara zero o le nosi, bone ba seyo ba le mo maranyaneng.

Go there o iponele dilo tse ka fa di dirwang ka teng, gore seemo ke eng le eng.
Gape a ko o develop exit package, ka gore le palelwa ke go dira …(Inaudible)… e e kileng ya dirwa ke Mogae, e ke neng ke e rata thata.

A go nne le an exit package, batho ka bontsi ba tsamaye, re bone a new generation e e ka dirang dikgang tse di neng di buiwa ke bo Rre Molebatsi, Rre Molale le bangwe fa.

Ba e leng gore they will go in full force to make turnaround strategies, gore Batswana ba hume, lefatshe le ye pele, ditiro di tlhamiwe.
It is not that we cannot create jobs here, we can, starting in rural areas jaaka ba bangwe ba dira.

If re ka nna fela jaana, re tlaa leta ngwedi, “moleta ngwedi ke moleta lefifi.” Fa go tla ka 2024 ke rona ba re gogang ka locking gears, bangwe ba seyo.

Ga ke itse gore o ka hira motho le kwa morakeng tota, o ka hira motho a sa nose dikgomo tsa gago, a sa di phuthe, o bo o mo mmaya fela?
Ga ke a re botlhe, ba bangwe are doing a good job, ba bangwe lesang go ba direla dikonteraka tse di tshosang, motho a sa bereke a nna fela jaana.

Mo gongwe ke a leboga gore maphata a tlaa tla a nna aligned, a mangwe maphata a tlaa ya kwa go tshwanetseng jalojalo.

Mme, madi a, I am going to make a question or a Motion gore re ko re itse ministries tse di busang madi, rona re tlhokana le ditlhabololo.
I am going to do that and wena o le Minister yo o koo, Batswana ba tlaa utlwa gore, ehe kante Minister semangmang o busa madi go le mo mathateng a a kana, watch out there.

Mr Chairperson, tota ministry o o botlhokwa ka gore ke one o o laolwang bo Bank of Botswana.

Le Bank of Botswana a ba nne le publicity e ntsi, jaaka other banks.
Fa o bona bo First National Bank (FNB) ba tletse mo 43 Hansard No 205Tuesday 1st March, 2022ORGANISATION 0300 - MINISTRY OF FINANCE AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENTCommittee of Supply (Resumed Debate) maranyaneng, ke to publicise themselves, so ba se ka ba re we are the Bank of Botswana fela.

A ba laole, ba lebe interest rates tse di dirwang.

Mongwe le mongwe, ‘karee ka tee’ ka Sesarwa, a eme ka dinao.

We will make things to happen, and we will all of us.
Mr Chairperson, ka mafoko a a kalo, ke re mme, ema ka dinao, re saletswe fela ke ngwaga re bo re ya kwa go rategang teng.

O ka dira sengwe o le motho wa mme, o tshwara thipa ka kwa bogaleng.

Ke a leboga.

MR BROOKS (KGALAGADI SOUTH): Thank you Mr Chairperson, good afternoon.

Ke supe fela gore ke eme Tona nokeng ka kopo ya gagwe ya madi.

Ga re a tshwanela go ema fela re re re mo ema nokeng jaaka e kete re galaletsa sengwe se se ka sekeng se okediwe ka go bua ka sone.
Re supe tlhobaelo Mr Chairperson, gore ministry o re buang ka ga one, o tshegeditse lefatshe la Botswana.

Ke one ministry o o lebelelang madi a Batswana gore a tsena jang, e bile gape o lebelela madi gore a tswa ka tsela e e ntseng jang.

Ka tsela e e ntseng jalo, re tshwanetse go letlelelwa go bua re tsentse marapo dinameng, re itse gore re bua ka lefatshe le e leng gore fa go sena madi, ga gona sepe se se ka diragalang.
Re bua re itse gore re bua le motho wa mme, yo o sa tswang go neelwa marapo maabanyane jaana gore a tle a tsamaise itsholelo ya lefatshe la Botswana.

Ka go rialo, tla ke tlhamalele fela kwa kgannyeng ke re, mmaetsho o buile dikgang tse di mmalwa, segolo jang fa o ne o simolola puo ya gago maloba.

Le gompieno go dikgang dingwe tse o fetileng ka tsone, tse re eletsang go go thusa thata mo go tsone re lebile letseno le tiriso ya madi.
Sengwe sa dilo tse ke neng ke re ke ye kwa go tsone ke gore, nako e gorogile ya gore jaaka re tsweletse ka go lemoga gore letlole la gago le legolwane le a tlhotlhorega, re sale re buile ka tollgates.

Ke gakologelwa ke santse ke le mo Khanseleng ya Kgalagadi, re tsenya Ditshutiso gore a go nne le tollgates mo ditseleng tse ditona.

Mo kgaolong e e kwa kwano ya Borwa jwa Africa, ke Botswana fela yo o senang tollgates.

Fa re ka tsenya tollgates, re tshaba eng?

Re tlaa diragalelwa ke eng?


Re kgona go oketsa makgetho le mo dilong tse di tshesane tota, le batho ba ba nnang kwa malwapeng, re itse gore ba na le bothata jwa letseno la madi, mme ka fa re batla ba kgetha, go pala eng gore re tsenye tollgates gore dikoloi tse di fetang bosigo le motshegare di duele, re kgone go tshegetsa itsholelo ya rona?

Fa o ya kwa mafatsheng a re bapileng le one, o tsena mo Zambia, Zimbabwe le Namibia, re duela madi a a seng kana ka sepe a dikoloi.
Fa o tsena ka border ya Zambia o tswa mo Botswana o duela gane, go na le fa o duelang ka Dollars tsa America.

O ka lemoga gore mafatshe a dira madi ka tsela e e ntseng jang.

Rona fa re tsena kwano gatwe koloi ke ya motswakwa, o duela P50 kana bokae, re tshwanetse go sekaseka le one madi a re a dirang kwa melelwaneng ao.

Kgang e nngwe ke ya PPP.

Ke dumalana le bakaulengwe thata, re tswa kgakala re bua ka kgang ya PPP.
Kgang ke gore go seka ga nna jaaka e kete PPP e ntšha mo go rona, re bona e diragaditswe kwa Kanye le Molepolole, e bereketse Bakwena le ba ga Maila sentle.

Re ne re tshwanetse go kopolola gone foo, re bone gore re ka e atolosa jang, fa e le gore re dirile diphoso mo go yone, ra baakanya diphoso gone foo ka tsela e e ntseng jalo gore e bo e le mo tirisong mo nakong e e sa yeng kgakala.

Ke nngwe tsela e ka yone re ka tlhamelang Batswana ditiro Mmaetsho Tona.
Mmaetsho Tona, re bua ka madi a o a neelang projects, fa re ka fa sekai fela ke gore go na le a 30 kilometre (km) road between Makopong le Kokotsha e e saleng e neetswe madi gotwe e dirwe mo sebakeng sa ngwaga.

Nako kgolo ke eng, tsela eo ga e ise e bo e fele, fa o re o botsa gore bothata ke eng, ga o utlwe le gore bothata ke eng.

E ne e le gore from 2018 October to 2019 November e ka bo e fedile.

Re santse re apaapa re tshwara kwa le kwa, e kete ngwana a ithuta go bua.
Re ntshitse madi re le Puso re a neetse batho, re compromise ka dilo tse di amang matshelo a batho ka fa go sa siamang ka teng.

Ke dilo dingwe tse re tshwanetseng go bua ka tsone Tona, re sa ošhaošhe.

Fa re bua ke melelwane, Tona o tshwanetse gore fa o le mogwebi jaaka o le ministry o o tsenyang madi, ka nngwe tsela o mogwebi, o se ka wa leba the main borders fela concentration ya gago ya nna kwa go tsone fela.
Ke ne ke utlwa o bua fa o balolola gore o ya go dira one stop border kae le kae, you mentioned Ramokgonami, le borders tse di tshwanang le tsa Namibia, what about Kgalagadi?

What about the Bokspits Border which is a main border, the entrance e e tsenang into KTP, e rona le ba Tourism re reng re itebaganye le yone gore e oketsege.

What about Makati border?

Gompieno the Ministry of Roads and Transport and the Ministry of Agriculture ba dira tsela e tona thata.
Re dumela gore that is going to be a production road for Werda, Hereford up to Mmathethe.

This road fa re ka aga border ya Hereford, meaning Bray, go ka tsenya madi a a seng kana ka sepe.

44 Hansard No 205Tuesday 1st March, 2022ORGANISATION 0300 - MINISTRY OF FINANCE AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENTCommittee of Supply (Resumed Debate) That is a shortest route Mmaetsho Tona, from Durban to Namibia.

On actual fact, that is a shortest route ka more than 500 km.
Gompieno ba bona gore if you go via Gaborone-Kang, that is the shortest route go na le e ba neng ba e dirisa pele e feta ka …(Inaudible)… e tsena ka Namibia through South of Botswana actually.

This is now the shortest route e re ka e dirang, ya re berekela.

Go dira ditlhabololo go ka thusa go tlhatlosa le go emeletsa matshelo a batho ba kgaolo nngwe le nngwe e go nang le ditsela mmaetsho.
The Minister of Infrastructure and Housing Development, ke go kopile gantsintsi gore a ko re ye kwa border ya Hereford.

Bana ba gago ba berekela mo diofising tsa ga Mmamosadinyana.

Maabane ke letse ke kopa kgapetsakgapetsa fa o baakanya molelwane wa Bokspits ka caravans gore heelang!

nako e gorogile ya gore re ntshe batho mo go tsone re age offices tse di utlwalang.

Ke lekile go bua le Commissioner and she just said to me, “ke kwa Kasane, I will come back to you honourable”, nakokgolo ke eno.
Rakonteraka o feditse onsite.

Fa go tla go tsena mo dilong tsa Kgalagadi, ga go na ope yo o batlang go utlwa fa Sam Brooks a bua.

Ga go na ope yo o batlang go ntheetsa.

Ke galaotega ke le nosi fela o kare ke legakabe le e ja tshimo e nonneng.

Dilo tse ga di re beye mo seemong se se siameng.


Keletso ya me ke gore mafoko a mantle a a sa tswang go buiwa ke Honourable Majaga, I am going to bring a question to you gore o na le officers di le kae ba scale se, le se, le ba ba santseng ba bereka ka dikonteraka?

A nako ga e a goroga ya gore fa retirement ya gago e gorogile, o sutele bana ba tsene?

Bana ba berekele Puso, ba tle ka dikakanyo tse di sha.

Ba tle ka mashetla, ba tokafatsa itsholelo ya lefatshe ya Botswana.
Tona ya Madi, o ka thusa gore kamoso o galalele, o gebeletege gore e le ruri o ne o bereka le diphofa tse di neng tsa go tsholeletsa kwa mankalengkaleng.

The question could be how much are you spending after konteraka ya batho per year?

Re ka bo re tsaya madi ao re itse gore bana ba teng, ba mo system, ba tlaa re thusa go bereka ditiro tseo.

As much as ke dumalana le Motlotlegi Tautona ka mindset change, we also have to change some of the way the departments are being run.
Operation ya maphata a Puso is a stress.

Ga re na batho ba batlang go bereka.

I have been addressing so many Kgotla meetings mo kgaolong ya me.

Ke na le officers tsa maemo a a kwa godimo.

Ke tlhophilwe ke batho, I do not have a problem ya gore officer ga a tle kwa motseng wa ga Sam Brooks.

At the same time, batho ba re ga ba bone dithuso kwa diofising tsa Puso.

Re tlisitse melao e e ka thusang batho gore ba itshetse, mme melao ga e ise e diragadiwe.

Sekai; the policy ya banalebogole.


I said it last week and I am still saying it today gore fa o re o a botsa gore molao wa banalebogole o kae batho ba thusiwe, ba itshetse, ga go na karabo.

Batswana ba batla go itshetsa.

Ba tswa kgakala ba ipelega.

Ba dumela mo go itireleng.

Ga ba batle go jesiwa jaaka ngwana wa lemphorwana.

Melao e, e ka ba thusa gore ba gatele pele.

Ba tle ba imololwe mathata a gore madi ka bontsi a ya kwa bathing, re ba jesa.

Re tshwanetse go fetola ka fa re dirang dilo ka teng.
Ke go eme nokeng mmaetsho.

O tseye madi ao Morolong, o ye go thusa Batswana ka one.

Ke a go leboga Modulasetilo.

MR CHAIRPERSON: Thank you Hononourable Brooks.

Only two and half minutes left.

MR HIKUAMA (NGAMI): Ke a leboga Honourable Chairperson.

Le nna ke tseye sebaka se go akgela mo kopong e ya madi a ga Tona wa tsa Madi.

Tona, ke batla go simolola ka gore lephata la gago le ntsha madi a a direlang Batswana ditirelo.
Go lebega le sena thulaganyo ya go netefatsa gore madi a o a ntshitseng gore a ye go dira ditiro tsa rona, a babalelwa ka tsela e e ntseng jang.

Tshepo ya me le tumelo ke gore fa o le montshi wa madi, o tshwanetse wa nna le lenaneo la go netefatsa gore madi a dirisediwa se a se ntsheditsweng, e bile projects di fela ka nako.

What I am trying to say is your ministry lacks the supervision and monitoring of the projects.
Le go ntsha madi e kete o ntsha fela ga o lebelele gore kwa bofelong go ya go diragala eng.

Gore re fokotse wastage, le madi a a latlhegang ke gore lephata la gago le tle ka tsamaiso, a mechanism wa to ensure gore madi a Puso ga a latlhege.

Projects tse di ntsheditsweng madi di a diragala.

Go lebega go le meriti e tsididi fela, go sena sepe se le se dirang le le lephata to ensure that projects tse di duleng di a dirwa.

How can you justify go dira tsela dingwaga tse nne?
Stretch fela sa 30 km from Nokaneng to Gumare, a bo dikompone di tswa di tlogela, go busetswa tse dingwe, recommendations and termination le setse le gana ka tsone because you do not know what is happening.

You cannot even come up with strict terms tsa gore le paletswe fa, le fa, ka gore you were far away from the project.

Ke dumela gore le nne le atumela projects fa le ntshitse madi to ensure that supervision e nna ya maemo a a kwa godimo.
Kgang e nngwe e ke batlang gore ke e bue mo lephateng la gago ke ya gore le tlhokometse dikago le tse disha tsa Puso.

Gompieno fa ke bua ka Dobe Border Post, 45 Hansard No 205Tuesday 1st March, 2022ORGANISATION 0300 - MINISTRY OF FINANCE AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENTCommittee of Supply (Resumed Debate) fa o tsena koo ke matlhotlhapelo.

Ga go na dikago, ga go na sepe, mme lephata la gago gatwe ke lone le tshwanetseng la agela la Immigration dikago tsa BURS.
Go nne le tsamaiso e e siameng le badiredi ba bone fa ba ka nnang teng.

Seemo sa teng se a tshwenya fela thata.

Le tshwanetse la akanya gore BURS le other departments tse di tlhokwang kwa melelwaneng di agelwa matlo.

Se sengwe se re ka se buang ke PPPs.

PPP e tshwana o sa dira budget.

Gompieno le bua gore projects di filwe PPP, but you do not have any clear idea of what is going to happen or which companies are going to be involved tse di yang go thusa mo PPP.

Mme la re tsela le e neetse ka PPP.


Ke moka le forang batho gore tsela ya lona e ya go dirwa ka PPP.

Tota le a bo le sa ba neela sepe.

Go botoka le itidimalela fela le re ga le a dira sepe.

Ke a leboga.

MR CHAIRPERSON: Thank you very much.

May I call now the Minister of Finance and Economic Development to reply to the debates.

MINISTER OF FINANCE AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT (MS SERAME): Ke a leboga Honourable Chairperson.

Ke leboge le batlotlegi botlhe ka dikakgelo tsa bone.
Tse dingwe di tlaa tlhoka gore re di tseye mofago Honourable Chairperson.

Ke tlaa di simolola kwa morago.

Yo o reng re fora batho, ke tsala ya me, le se ka la nne le mo gakgamalela nako e nngwe.

Mma ke simolole ka e a neng a bua gore re le Finance, re ntsha madi re dira eng.

A re ga go na thulaganyo.

Ke tlhalose gore Honourable Chairperson and Honourable Members of Parliament (MP), ga go ka ke ga kgonagala gore tse dingwe re di tsharabolole fa.

Mo gongwe re nna le tshono ya go di buisanya le lona.
Ke tlhalose fela ka bokhutshwane gore Lephata la Madi le Tlhabololo Itsholelo, re na le bodiredi jo re bo bayang kwa maphateng ka go farologana ba ba bidiwang Planning Officers le Finance Officers.

Re ba beile kwa maphateng otlhe a a le teng gore on a daily basis ba bo ba bereka le maphata ao ba gakolola e bile ba etse tlhoko ditsamaiso le projects tse tsotlhe.
For example, Planning Officers fa go na le ditlhabololo tse di dirwang, ke bone ba ba thusang ka go dira le tsone tse gotweng ke bo project memorandum.

Ba thusa ka project supervision le go gakolola maphata ao, ba bereka le one.

Finance Officers le bone ba le teng jalo go thusa gore fa go lebeletswe dikgang tse tsa madi, ba nne ba gakololana le boeteledipele le bodiredi jo bo foo gore fa re lebeletse seemo sa lona sa madi, o kare fale le dule mo tsamaisong, fale le a tlhaela.
Ke se se ntseng se le teng Honourable Hikuama le Honourable Members, mme ke dumalana le lona.

A go lekane?

Nnyaa, ga o a lekana.

Sengwe se re dumalaneng gore re ya go se dira, re na le golo mo gotweng Planning Officer’s Manual e le yone re e tlhabololang.

Ke sengwe se se ba gakololang e bile se a ba kaela gore mo tirong ya bone ba tshwanetse ba dire jang.

Re a e tlhabolola, ke sengwe santlha.

Sa bobedi, re dumalane gore a re sale morago madi a re a ntshang, se ke dumelang gore ke sone se le se buang.
Go sala morago madi a re a ntshang, go raya gore re sekaseke ka fa re ntseng re thusanya le maphata ka teng.

Se se raya gape gore re ntse re na le project site visits tse e leng gore Planning Officers le maphata ba a di tsamaya.

O ya go bona bodiredi jo bo berekelang kwa Ministry of Finance headquarters bo oketsega, ba bonala thata mo project site visits.
Se sengwe se ke dumelang gore ke ne ka se bua le maloba Honourable Chairperson ke gore le nna ke le Tona wa Madi, ga go a lekana gore ke ntshe madi ke bo ke saena warrant ke bo ke bolelelwa ka reports.

Ke a goroga kwa Phitshane Molopo, Nata, Maun le kae jaaka o bua gore le nna ke ye go bona projects tsotlhe tse di tlaabong di dirwang to the best of my ability ka gore le I am the only one person.
Ke a le solofetsa batlotlegi gore ke a goroga kwa projects tse di dirwang teng gore ke ye go bona ka gore nako e nngwe ba go kwalela report e ntsi, mme e fapaana le se se leng on the ground.

Se sengwe se ke neng ka se bua gape maloba mme ke bona go ntlama gore ke se boelele Chairperson ke gore re tlhalositse gore go tswa fa go ya kwa pele, re ya go dira audits tsa the development projects ka gore go a supagala gore madi a Puso a ka bo a ne a dirisitswe botoka.
Go botlhokwa gore re kgone go ya go bona gore project e go ne ga tla jang gore re ye go goroga fa re setseng re le teng.

Ke kopa gore ke fete ka yone.

Go na le e nngwe e ke neng ka e bua gape maloba ka Budget Speech ya bo tollgates, Honourable Brooks.

Re ne ra tlhalosa gore we will consider go dira tollgates mo ditseleng tse dingwe tsa rona.

Ke dumela gore di tlaa tla.


Mr Chairperson, kgang e nngwe e ba e buileng ba le bantsi, ke ya gore kgotsa re bonya, gore batho ba ba leng mo diofising ba sa thuse Batswana jaaka ba tshwanetse re ba tseele dikgato.

Ke dumalana le lona gotlhelele.


Ke kile ka raya bangwe ba bo ba tsaya gore ke a tshameka mme ke ne ke le serious ke re fa o ka nna Permanent 46 Hansard No 205Tuesday 1st March, 2022ORGANISATION 0300 - MINISTRY OF FINANCE AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENTCommittee of Supply (Resumed Debate) Secretary kana Accounting Officer in any office, o ya go digela dingwaga di le tlhano o ise o kobe mo tirong o mo kobela go tlhoka go bereka, ke dumela gore le wena o a bo batla go kobiwa mo tirong.
Ke bua seo ka gore ke sure, ga ke a re ke a belaela, ke sure gore ofisi nngwe le nngwe go na le batho ba ba sa berekeng.

Jaanong o nna jang Accounting Officer koo o sa kgone go koba batho ba ba sa berekeng?
Ke sengwe fela se ke dumelang gore tota ke bua le Permanent Secretary wa me gore kwa komiting ya bone ya bo Permanent Secretary that is chaired by Permanent Secretary to the President, a ko kgang e ba e buisanye le bone ba tle ka ditsela tse dingwe tsa gore batho ba ba sa direng tiro ba tseelwe dikgato.

Batho ba ba sa thuseng batho mo ditirong, ga se nna le lona bo Honourable Members ba re mo Palamenteng, ke batho ba mo teng ga diofisi.
Dikonteraka tsa bone di a okediwa, after five years ga gona yo o ba kobang mo tirong, gakere le a itse?

Rona after five years re tlaabo re eme kwa ditlhareng re ile kopa tiro, ba re paledisitse tiro.

Jaanong a batho ba tseelwe dikgato.

Foo ke dumalana le lona gotlhelele.

Go kile gatwe ke Margaret Thatcher fa ke bua jalo, mme e yone ke ya go e emela ka dinao gore sengwe se tshwanetse se fetoge, re tseele batho dikgato.
A yo o dumelang gore tota ene ga a kgone dira se gotweng a se dire, a a sutele ba bangwe, re kgaogane re santse re utlwana jaaka re tle re bue kwa Borolong.

Slow spending; ke e emetse Honourable Majaga, ba se ka ba bo ba go raka, ya go tla ka potso eo ka bofefo ke tle go bolelela Palamente e le Batswana gore maphata a e leng gore in the last two or five years ba ntse ba fiwa madi ba nna fela ba a busitse ba sa dire ditiro ke bomang, ba re mabaka a bone ke eng?
Kgotsa fa re ka dira jalo ke gone re ka simololang re iteka.

Ke dumalana le lona gore tota a go diragale.

Ke tlaa leka go di tsaya ka boripana ka gore le tsone di dintsi Honourable Chairperson.

Exit Package; kana thulaganyo eo ke itse e santse e le teng ya gore re kgone go rotloetsa bodiredi bongwe gore ba tsamaye fa ba lebega o kare ba lapile.
Ke dumela gore le yone ke tlaa bua le bo Permanent Secretary ba e buisanye kwa boeteledipeleng jwa bodiredi gore fa e le gore e ntse e le bonya, a re bone gore re ka dira jang gore kgato eo e tsewe gore ba ba santseng ba lebega ba lapile, re ba rotloetse gore ba tsamaye go tsene ba bangwe.

Go ne go na le e nngwe ke tlaa tsaya offline Honourable Chairperson e e neng e bua ka review ya the Motor Vehicle Accident Fund Act.
Go raya gore ke tle ke utlwe dintlha tsa teng ka botlalo gore re ne re raya ditshetlana dife ka gore re ne e baakanya last year mme gompieno re mo seemong se re baakanyang regulations gore re tle re implement the revised Act, but ke tlaa e tsaya le honourable ka kwa thoko.

Kgang e nngwe e re e buileng re le mmalwa re le batlotlegi ke ya gore Batswana ba tshwanetse ba rutiwe financial literacy le education.

Ke a dumalana.
Ke a dumalana.

Go diemo di le dintsi tse e leng gore mo gongwe batho ba rona ba nna ba iphitlhela ba le ba fa mosing mo gongwe ba lebega ba jewa ntsoma; a e ka tswa e le insurance companies kana bo mang fela.

Tota mo gongwe e a bo e le gore kgang ke le bone ba tsene mo ditumalanong tse o kareng ga ba di tlhalogasnye.

Ke sengwe se sengwe se ke dumalanang le lona.


Last year, I think ke ne ke ntse supa makgetho a le mmalwa gore bo Non-Bank Financial Institutions Regulatory Authority (NBFIRA), Bank of Botswana le makalana a a farologaneng under the Ministry of Finance, re dumalane gore re tshwanetse to intensify financial literacy le public education gore Batswana ba tlhaloganye dilo tse le tse dingwe tse e leng go ba ruta ka ditirelo tse re setseng re na le tsone re le lephata.
Retirement Fund Act; Mr Chairperson, kgang e ke tlaa tsaya metsotso e mebedi mo go yone ka gore batlotlegi ba e bua ba le bantsi mme gape ke tlhalose dilo dingwe.

Last year e ne e kile ya re ke bua ka re tsholofelo ya me ke gore e tlaa re ka Palamente ya Mariga ke tlaa tlisa molao oo, mme ka bo ka tlhalosa gore mme ke tlaa leka go kgarametsa gore ke tlise molao oo ka April jaana.
Se ke batlang go se update Honourable Chairperson ke gore re ne re na le draft, ka gore se se diragalang ke gore paakanyo e re e dirang ya molao o is major.

Go raya gore it will be a re-enactment of the Act.

Ba ba re direlang molao ba Attorney General, e ne ya re ka Friday ba re neela se ba neng ba setse ba se dirile.

Kana fa ba re neela, re nna fa fatshe re sekaseka gore a ba dirile sone se re neng re re ba se dire, a ga ba a dira diphoso dipe, a ga ba a tlogela sepe.
Re ne ra fitlhela go santse go na le dintlha dingwe tse di patikang gore ba boele kwa morago ba baakanye ka gore ba ne ba tlogetse dingwe tse re neng re rile ba di dire.

Ke kopa ke tlhalose gone fa, le yone paakanyo e re yang go tla ka yone, se re eletsang go se dira, ke gore re fetole some withdrawal Clauses gore e re fa motho a na le diemo dingwe tse di ka tswang di tshwana le tshwana le tsa botsogo, kana tse di thata kgotsa a gapelwa ntlo a kgone go tsaya mangwe madi a ye go duela ka one.
Ke se re se eletsang.

Ke batla ke e gatelele, le nkutlwe sentle batlotlegi, ga se gore re ya go tla ka molao o o reng motho a ye go tsaya pension ya 47 Hansard No 205Tuesday 1st March, 2022ORGANISATION 0300 - MINISTRY OF FINANCE AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENTCommittee of Supply (Resumed Debate) gagwe yotlhe.

Nnyaa, eo yone le nna ke tlaabo ke tlhoka boikarabelo ka gore re tshwanetse re gakologelwe gore pension e direlwa eng?
Pension e direlwa gore motho fa a setse a tlogetse tiro a nne le letsenonyana le e ka reng kgwedi le kgwedi a kgona go reka dijo, a palama a ye sepatela kana a dira dilo dingwe tsa letsatsi le letsatsi.

We also recognise gore molao wa rona ka fa o ntseng ka teng gompieno, go ne go le thata gore le mo diemong tse di tshwanang le tse re kileng ra tswa mo go tsone, di kgone gore di thuse motho gore a se ka gapelwa ntlo kana e re a le mo bothateng jwa pitlagano, a se ka a kgona gore a ye go bona ba bongaka.
Ke batla gore ke e tlhalose jalo gore as much as re ya go tlhofofatsa gore dilo dingwe motho o ka thusiwa ka tsone, ga e ye go nna buleladitswe.

Go tlaabo go le botlhokwa gore re tswelele re ntse re babalela Motswana gore e re le mo go reng a tlogele tiro, go bo go na le sengwe... Honourable Molebatsi gakere ga o bue?

Go bo go na le sengwe se se tlaabong se ntse se mo saletse Honourable Chairperson gore a tswelele a kgone go tshela.

Ke feta ka yone.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: ...(Inaudible)... MS SERAME: Rra?
HONOURABLE MEMBER: O ne o re Honourable Molebatsi?

MS SERAME: Ke ne ke bona o kare o a bua, ke a feta.

E nngwe Honourable Chairperson ke ya melelwane.

Ke a dumalana gotlhelele gore fa re lebelela One Stop Border Posts, a mme re se ka ra lebelela fela tse re di bitsang re re di commercial kana tsa kgwebo fela, a re lebelele border posts tsotlhe, including le tsone tsa bo Phitshane Molopo, Bray le bo Ramotswa tse e leng gore o kare tiro e re neng re e solofeditse e saletse kwa morago.
Ke dumela gore jaaka re ya kwa NDP 12, ke dingwe tse re tshwanetseng re di lebelele ka gore tota melelwane e yotlhe e, le tse re sa di bitseng re re di commercial mo nakong e re leng mo go yone, re tshwanetse gore re bone gore re a di tlhabolola re bo re baakanya melelwane eo, batho ba kgone go tlola re thuse Batswana gore fa ba tlolang teng go nne botoka.
Le tse dingwe tse ke dumela gore fa re ka di tlhabolola le tsone e kare mo nakong e e sa fediseng pelo re bo re setse re di bitsa re re ke commercial border posts.

E nngwe ke e e rileng let us popularise the Public Procurement Act le yone Economic Inclusion, ke a dumalana gotlhelele.

Re tlaa dira sone fela se se neng se kopiwa Honourable Molale.
Ke dumalana le wena gore mo gongwe kana melao e o tlaa fitlhela e lebega e le thata, re tlaa tla ka ditsetlana kana ka dibukananyana dingwe tse di tlhofofaditseng melao e, re bo re tsene mo Batswaneng re ba rutuntshe ka melao e, re bo re ba bontshe le ditshono tse di tlang le melao e. Jaaka ke ne ke tlhalosa mo nakong e e fetileng le jaaka ke ne ke bua gompieno, re feleletsa regulations tsa Public Procurement.
Sengwe se re se dirang Honourable Chairperson, re dira an assessment kana a study se re se direlwang ke University of Botswana (UB) sa go ya go bona mo go bidiwang gotwe the readiness, gore mme maphata ka go farologana a mo seemong se se ntseng jang sa go diragatsa molao o, ka gore se re ka se ka re dira gape ke go neela maphata fela, mme le bone gongwe ba le mo seemong se ba santseng ba sa wela.
Jalo hee, go ka nna ra felela re tsena mo seemong se e leng gore jaaka re tlaabo re simolodisa molao gongwe ka April, re bo re lebelela gore gongwe ditsetlana dingwe fa re fitlhela e le gore maphata ka bontsi ga a mo seemong se se lekaneng, ditsetlana dingwe re ka nama re di diile, mme re se ka ra ema fela gotlhelele, dingwe tsone re di simolodise, re bo re tswelela re ntse re thusa maphata gore ba tsene mo seemong se se siameng sa gore ba ka diragatsa molao o, Honourable Chairperson.
Go botlhokwa gore re o simolole, re bo re simolole golo gongwe.

Mme jaaka ke bua le lona jaana, re tsweletse ka go rutuntsha maphata, gore re ba thuse go tsena mo seemong sa gore e kare ka April le bone ba bo ba setse ba ka kgona go diragatsa molao o. E nngwe e re buileng ka yone ke ya public finance management reforms le financial inclusion.

Ke tsaya gore ke ne ke bua ka boleele ka tsone gore go na le moalo kana strategy se se ntseng se le teng, mme re a se tlhabolola.
Sengwe sa tsone ke gore, re tswelele re ntse re oketsa financial inclusion.

Ke dumalana le wena, I think ke Honourable Molebatsi yo o neng a bua gore, ke gore le rona re tshwanetse go tsena mo seemong se e leng gore le gone go dirisa madi re a go fokotsa.

Lefatshe lengwe fa o tsena kwa go lone, fa o re o ba neela madi o re o tsena mo taxi ba go bolelela gore ga ba tseye madi.

Ba solofela gore o tle ka phone fela and then tap like this, e bo o duetse taxi, o sa dirise madi.
Le jone borukutlhi jo jwa madi o tlaa bona bo fokotsega motho a itse gore le fa a ka re o a go betsa, a re o tsaya sepatshe sa gago, ga a ye go fitlhela madi mo teng, ka gore o duela methale e mentsi e e leng teng ya go duela, e re tlaa tswelelang re ntse re e tlhabolola.

Honourable Lucas, nkgonne, o ne a bua thata ka e nngwe ya gore re tshwanetse gore malatsi otlhe re bue ka bo poverty le inequality and employment.
Ke a mo 48 Hansard No 205Tuesday 1st March, 2022ORGANISATION 0300 - MINISTRY OF FINANCE AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENTCommittee of Supply (Resumed Debate) utlwa and I think ke batla go e tsaya ke e amanya le yo mongwe yo o neng a re re se ka ra bua ka budget ka ngwaga o le mongwe fela, re lebelele dingwaga di le mmalwa.

Ke tlhalose gore, kana fa o ka lebelela budget documents tse re neng re di ntsha kwa ntle ga Budget Speech le dibuka tsa rona tsa budget, go na le bo Medium Term Framework.
Medium Term Framework, e supa gore every time fa re tla fa pele ga Ntlo, Tona wa Madi a tla fa pele ga Ntlo e, ga a lebelele ngwaga o le mongwe fela.

O lebelela dingwaga tse tharo, tse a supang gore mo dingwageng tse tharo re lebeletse se le se, seemo sa rona sa madi se tlaabo se ntse jaana, revenue expenditure jalojalo.
Mme e bile the Medium Term Framework also e lebelela priorities tsa rona over the three years, mme e bo e re ngwaga le ngwaga re tswelela to update mo go yone Medium Term Framework e gore, jaaka re tswelela mo dingwageng tse di latelang, go tlaabo go na le eng.

Kgang e nngwe e e builweng ke ya asset register.


Ke a dumalana gotlhelele gore go botlhokwa gore tota dithoto tse di leng teng tse tsa Puso tse re setseng re itse kwa di leng teng, go ne ga dirwa asset register kwa maphateng a a farologaneng, gore lephata lengwe le lengwe le itse gore dithoto tsa Puso tse ba di tlhokometseng ke dife.
Ke dumalana gotlhelele gore le yone re tshwanetse gore re tle re e tsenye leitlho re le lephata la madi, gore mme a assets tse di leng teng tsa Puso a re a di tlhokomela in terms of maintenance kana le tsone re dira a new asset ya ga Goromente go tswa foo re a e tlhokomologa, e bo e senyega gotlhelele.

E bo e re fa e senyegile gotlhelele e bo e le gore jaanong re patelesega gore re ye go simolola sesha.

Ke sengwe se re tlaa tswelelang re ntse re se lebeletse.
Ke dumela gore Honourable Letsholo, ke go arabile mo go e o neng o bua gore, we have to introduce new ways of reporting.

Mme ke dumalana le wena gore gongwe se sengwe se re ka neng re se dira ka gore mo gongwe fa o tla o o fa on the speech kana le fa e le Budget Speech, it limits you gore o ka bua dikgang ka bophara jo bo kae.
Gongwe re batle tsela e nngwe e re ka nnang re le fa tse dingwe tse di fa thoko tse e leng gore are additional documents, tse gongwe di atolosang go se kae dikgang tse dingwe tsa rona tsa to report mo some of the areas.

Ke batla gape ke tlhalose gore PPP ka gore le yone ke ne ke e buile ka kwa Budget Speech, mme ke a dumalana Honourable Chairperson gore e maleba gore le batlotlegi ba bo ba e buile ba le mmalwa.
Dikgang tse di tsamaelana le tse re neng re di bua maloba ka Budget Speech, ka gore di a tsamaelana, ke tlhalose ke gakolole gape gore, batlotlegi, ke ne ka tlhalosa gore re itlamile re le lephata gore tota PPP jaaka le lona le lemoga, re ne re le bonya.

Re a amogela gore re ne re le bonya.


Ke sone se o bonang gompieno re kgona go supa gore mme gone re dirile motlhala mongwe, e bile re kgona go supa gore projects di le eight di setse di le advanced, mme le tse dingwe tse di ntseng jaana, re dumela gore mo nakong e e sa fediseng pelo di tlaa dirwa ka PPP.
Se sengwe se ke neng ke tsaya gore ke ne ke se buile maloba ke se gatelele gompieno Honourable Chairperson ke gore, ka bo April/May re a go dira… tla for now ke go bitse a conference, kwa re tlaabong re biditse botlhe batsayakarolo kana ba ba nang le keletso ya go tsena le rona mo mosepeleng o wa PPP, gore re ye go ba tlhalosetsa gore Molao…kana Molao wa Public Procurement o tsentse PPP mo teng.
Ke sengwe se re neng re ntse re tlhaela, e bile ke tlhalositse gore re dira regulations tsa PPP, ka nako eo dilo tse di tlaabo di setse di wetse.

Re tlaabo re nna le conference eo e re tlaabong re ya go atolosa tsone tseo, re bo re tlhalosa le projects tse re dirisanang le maphata a a farologaneng, which they package gore kana projects ke tse tse e leng gore are already packaged and ready gore yo o reng ene o siame, o na le madi, re ka tsena mo teng mmogo ra di dira ka PPP.
Se sengwe se ke batlang go se gatelela gone fa ke gore, re ne re supa gore mo gongwe re ne re diiwa ke gone go batla bo transaction advice, mme se sengwe se re se dirileng, re ikgolagantse le ba World Bank le ba International Finance Corporation (IFC) ka gore ba setse ba na le boitseanape le itemogelo ya go dira PPPs.

Re ikgolagantse le bone gore ba tle go re thusa gore re kgone go fefosa mosepele wa rona wa projects tse re di dirang ka PPP, Mr Chairperson.
Ke dumela gore tse fa re ka di dira le maphata le one a ikitaya ka thupana, go ka nna le motlhala mme e tlaa re ngwaga o o tlang fa ke ema fa pele ga lona batlotlegi ke bua e bo ke kgona go supa gore, fa e sa le e re ke tlile kwa go lona mo ngwageng o o fetileng, re kgonne tse, re kgonne go dira projects di le kana.

Mongwe motlotlegi o buile ntlha nngwe e ke batlang gore le nna ke fete ka yone ya gore, ke eng o kare re bonya ka PPP.
Le nna ke na le dipelaelo, ka gore mo gongwe maphata ka go farologana, o tlaa fitlhela re lebega re se keen gore re dire PPP, ka gore mo gongwe go belaesega gore gongwe PPP e re tswalela diphatlha dingwe.

Tla ke e beye jalo ka bokhutshwane.


Re na le go belaela le rona re le Lephata la Finance ka gore, mo gongwe le fa re ya kwa maphateng re re tota re dumela 49 Hansard No 205Tuesday 1st March, 2022ORGANISATION 0300 - MINISTRY OF FINANCE AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENTCommittee of Supply (Resumed Debate) gore projects tse, let us finalise and package them di dirwe ka PPP, o tlaa fitlhela mo gongwe go lebega o kare batho ba goga dinao, ke bo ke belaela.
Jaanong ke sengwe se le sone re tlaa bonang tsela ya gore re ka dira jang, gore ba ba lebegang ba goga dinao re tle ka mothale mongwe wa gore re ba rotloetse gore ba nne bofefo mo dikgannyeng tsa go nna jalo.

Tota dikgang tse dintsi tse di felela kwa dikgannyeng di le pedi tse e leng gore a o bua ka lephata lefe di teng; one accountability; re ka dira jang gore re tseele batho dikgato fa ba sa dire se ba tshwanetseng gore ba se dire?
Tota eo yone until and unless we deal with it, ke dingwe tse di re bayang ka fa mosing.

Se sengwe Modulasetilo, re bua mme re e pepetletsa, ke gone go belaela gore ke dikgang tsa bo gore ke ka a ja eng mo teng.
Dikgang tse pedi tse, if we can deal with them kwa maphateng otlhe, because di kwa maphateng otlhe ga di kwa lephateng le le one, if we can deal le dikgang tseo gore ba ba sa direng se ba tshwanetseng gore ba se dire ba tseelwe dikgato, le ba ba lebegang ba dira dilo ka tshokamo ba tseelwee dikgato, o bona fa re ka itebaganya le dikgang tseo, o tlaa bona re kgona go rarabolola dilo di le dintsi.

Kgang e nngwe e batlotlegi ba e buileng thata Honourable Chairperson, ke ya gore Goromente ga a duele ka nako.
Ke bo ke tlhalose gore Goromente yo o sa dueleng ka nako ga se Ministry of Finance, ke maphata otlhe a Puso.

Ke eng batho ba sa duele batho ka nako?

Mongwe o ne a botsa gore go kile gatwe they charge interest; ee go ntse go teng.

Se se teng, companies ba re ba tshaba to charge interest ya 2 per cent ka gore e tlaa re next time fa go na le tiro nngwe ya Puso, ba bo ba beiwa ka fa mosing.
Jaanong le yone ke tlaa bua le Permanent Secretary (PS) gore a ko ba e tseye e le boeteledipele jwa bodirelapuso gore ba ka e baakanya jang gore tota ba ba sa direng sentle, ba tseelwe dikgato.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification.

MS SERAME: Ke a go utlwa, ema pele.

E nngwe ke ya system e e down.


System e down Honourable Chairperson, ke ne ka bua mo Palamenteng e, boammaaruri ke gore system fa e le down, within 30 minutes bodiredi jo bo leng foo, ba teilwe gatwe ba bo ba dirisa manual system go duela batho mme se ga se direge.

Jaanong kana ke eng se sa direge?

Yo o maleba o tshwanetse gore yo a fitlhelang a sa dira se se tshwanetseng gore a se dire, a tseelwe dikgato.
Jaanong nna ke le kwa Finance ga ke na go itse gore kwa constituency ya ga Honourable Kekgonegile for example, modirelapuso ga a ka a dira se se maleba.

Honourable Kekgonegile fa a lemogile, a a bolelele bagolwane ba gagwe mme ba mo tseele dikgato.

MR KEKGONEGILE: On a point of clarification.

Mr Chairperson, tanki.

Tona, issue e ya bo go sa duela batho ka nako, badirelapuso kana maphata a ga Goromente ba re ga gona madi.
Gompieno we are receiving calls all over the country, nna thatathata go tswa kwa Maun, Department of Tertiary Education Financing (DTEF), e e duelang bana ba sekole, ga e ise e ba duele.

Jaanong fa ba sena madi ba a tseye kae?

MS SERAME: Thank you very much.


Honourable Molale o ntetlelele go dirisa sekai se; Honourable Chairperson, mongwe o ntse a botsa gone fa gore batho ba ba tlaabong ba re ga ba a duelwa ka gore ga gona madi, kana selo santlha fela go raya gore ga ba a dira tiro fa e le gore ga ba na madi.

Fa e le gore ga ba na madi, ke eng ba sena madi?

That is the first question that you should ask; that is Number 1.

Number 2; maphata fa a sena madi Honourable Chairperson, go na le mo re go bitsang re re virement.
Maphata a kgona go letlelelwa gore fa madi a tlhaetse kwa voting e nngwe, ba kgona go ya go kopa go tsaya madi ba a dirisa kwa voting e nngwe, but of course go na le melawana le ditsamaiso tse ba tshwanetseng gore ba di sale morago.

Last week ke ne ke na le kgang e nngwe go begilwe kwa go nna ke leleditswe gotwe Tona, kana batho ga ba a duelwa golo gongwe mme ba re ba emetse Ministry of Finance ka madi.

Ke bo ke re nnyaa, ga ke e tlhaloganye gore e diragala jang, tlaa ke botse ba lephata la me.
Ba lephata la me fa ba botsa, ba fitlhela e le gore rona kwa Finance re sale re ntshitse madi, kgang e eme kwa lephateng le le maleba.

Jaanong go motlhofo gore fa o tla o botsa gore ke eng le sa duela batho, ba bo ba go raya ba re Finance ga e a re neela madi, kana ba go raya ba re ga gona madi, ba sa go bolelele boammaaruri jwa gore nnyaa mongwe ga a bereka.
Jaanong o nne o ba botsa dipotso tse dintsi Honourable Kekgonegile, o bo o ya go bega kwa go maleba ka gore bontsi jwa nako ga ba le bolelele boammaaruri.

Rona re le Finance, ngwaga o simologa ka di 1st tsa ga April, re ntsha warrants, re bo re isa madi kwa maphateng.

Se sengwe re a tlhaloganya gore go a tle go direge during the course of the year gore madi that was budgeted for, mo gongwe go a tle go nne le ditlhaelo dingwe, re bo re letlelela maphata gore they can vire funds from one vote to another.
Jaanong fa ba sa dira tiro, ba le raya ba re madi ga a yo kana Finance ga e ise e romele madi.

Le nne le ba botsa gore fa ke ka ya kwa Finance, ke tlaa fitlhela go ntse jalo.

50 Hansard No 205Tuesday 1st March, 2022ORGANISATION 0300 - MINISTRY OF FINANCE AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENTCommittee of Supply (Resumed Debate) HONOURABLE Honourable Minister.

MEMBER: Clarification HONOURABLE MEMBER: Further clarity.
MS SERAME: Iketleng pele ka gore nako ya me e a tsamaya, ke tlaa boela kwa go lona, re tle re e tseye ka nako e nngwe.

Go na le e nngwe, e botlhokwa thata, ga ke ka ke ka e tlogela.

E nngwe ke ya gore re boe re age kana re build back our GIA.

Ke dumalana gotlhelele Honourable Letsholo le ba bangwe ba ba buileng ka yone.
I think le Honourable Lucas le ba bangwe gore go botlhokwa gore madi a a rona a re a bitsang re re a makata-dimetšhe, re boe gape re nne le one ka seemo se re kileng ra bo re na le one ka gore gompieno jaana fa e ne e se ka one, re ka bo re ne ra ya moribe ka bolwetse jwa COVID-19.
Gape ke tlhalose gore fa o ka ya go lebelela our Mid- Term Framework e e tsamaelanang le documents tse re neng re di ntsha tsa budget, e supa gore ka ngwaga wa ntlha wa NDP 12, re solofela gore re bo re simolotse go nna le budget supply.

One way ya go bona gore re dira jang to build back our GIA, ke go nna le budget supplies.

Ke gape go bona gore re babalele ka fa re dirisang madi ka teng gore re a dirise ka tsela e e siameng gore kwa bofelong re a somarele, re bo re kgone to save Honourable Chairperson.
E nngwe e batlotlegi ba e buileng ke ya Sovereign Wealth Fund (SWF).

Pula Fund strictly speaking, go na le dingwe ditshetlana tse e leng gore fa re di bua, kgotsa ga di tshwane le se bangwe ba ka reng it is strictly a Sovereign Wealth Fund as re ne re batla.
Ke kgang nngwe e e leng gore re a e buisana re le Lephata la Finance le ba Bank of Botswana go bona gore a re ka dira sengwe ka Pula Fund kana re ka dira something additionally, go bona gore re nna le madi a re a tsayang re a baya kwa thoko re a beela dikokomane tsa rona gore e se ka ya re mo dingwageng tse di tlang, ba bo ba fitlhela gotwe re ne re na le diteemane mme re ne ra se ka ra baya madi mangwe ka fa thoko go kgona gore mo dingwageng tse di tlang, a ba thuse ka gore Pula Fund as it is ba bua boammaaruri, o kgona gore o tseye mo teng o finance the budget.
Mongwe o ne a kopile, ga ke itse gore ke mang.

O bue one second.

MR TSHERE: On a point of clarification.

Thank you Chairperson, just a quick one Honourable Minister.

Kana when you presented, o supile gore o tsere madi kwa Department of DTEF a student allowance, o a isitse kwa ministry wa one.

Go lebega o tsere vote fela, ga o a tsaya badiri ba teng.

Jaanong lona ga go bonale on budget gore you have budgeted gore o ya go oketsa badiri kwa Lephateng la Finance to cater for this.
A ga re ye go bona yone kgang e e ntseng bakaulengwe ba bua ka yone?

Thank you very much.

MS SERAME: Ke go utlwile.

Ke mo utlwile Chairperson.

Nnyaa ke tsere vote ga ke a tsaya badiredi, ga ke tlhoke to create posts.

Kana ke gone fa inefficiency e tswang teng because batho ba ba leng teng with the resources that we have mo Finance, re ka kgona gore re tlhokomele vote e gore re se ka ra tloga ra iphitlhela e dule mo taolong.

Honourable Motsamai, ke a go tshaba wena kana o... MR MOTSAMAI: Clarification.
Ka bonako ke gore kana mmaetsho o bua ka go sa dirisiweng sentle ga madi.

Go na le kgang e ke sa bolong go e epa, nthuse ka yone gore ke e ise kae.

Project e fiwa madi a a kana ka P56 million, e bo e ya go diriwa ka madi a a kana ka P52 million, P4 million a bo a sala.

Four million o fa a sala, go bo go sa itsiwe gore o ile kae mme e bile go sa diriwa tsela e e yang kwa project ka ditena tse tsa paving.

Kgang e e ntseng jaana ke e ise kae kwa Charles Hill?

MS SERAME: Ke go utlwile.


Honourable Chairperson, e Honourable Motsamai a e botsang, go na le tse dingwe tse di neng di bua thata le ka madi le gore bangwe ba itshunya nko mo dikgannyeng tsa procurement, le gore maphata ga a dire se a tshwanetseng gore a se dire.

Ke tlaa e tsaya outside the budget ka gore I think e tlhoka gore ke e tharabolole so that re e tlhaloganye, le dikgang dingwe re kgone go di bua re na le nako Honourable Chairperson.
Ka gore nako e setse e tsamaile, ke kopa gore ke eme fa ke leboge batlotlegi ka support ya lona.

Ke bo ke lo reye ke re tse dingwe dikgakololo re a di tsaya, tse dingwe re tlaa tswelela re ntse re di hatlhahatlha, tse dingwe ke tlaa nna ke boela kwa Ntlong go tla go le bolelela gore re tsamaya fa kae ka tsone.

Ke le solofetsa gore mo ngwageng o o tlang fa ke boela fa, ke tlaabo ke kgona go supa motlhala wa gore tse tsotlhe tse re neng re rile re ya go di fetola, re tsamaya fa kae.
Ke lebogela support ya lona.
I therefore, move Honourable Chairperson, that the sum of Two Billion, Seven Hundred and One Million, Two Hundred and Fifty-Four Thousand, Nine Hundred and Twenty-Three Pula (P2,701,254,923) of which Two 51 Hansard No 205Tuesday 1st March, 2022ORGANISATION 0300 - MINISTRY OF FINANCE AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENTCommittee of Supply (Resumed Debate) Billion, Three Hundred and Eighty-Nine Million, Eight Hundred and Thirty-Six Thousand, Eight Hundred and Ninety Pula (P2,389,836,890) under the Recurrent Budget and Three Hundred and Eleven Million, Four Hundred and Eighteen Thousand and Thirty-Three Pula (P311,418,033) under the Development Budget for Organisation 0300, be approved and stand as part of the Estimates for the financial year 2022/2023.
I move accordingly Mr Chairperson.

I thank you.

Question put and agreed to.

ORGANISATION 0400 - MINISTRY OF NATIONALITY, IMMIGRATION AND GENDER AFFAIRS MR CHAIRPERSON: Order!

Order!

Honourable Members.

Please note Honourable Members that 2 hours 50 seconds have been allocated to this organisation and I shall call upon the Minister to reply to the debate at 1615 hours tomorrow and the question will be put at 1645 hours.
May I now call upon the Minister of Nationality, Immigration and Gender Affairs to present the budget.

MINISTER OF NATIONALITY, IMMIGRATION AND GENDER AFFAIRS (MS MOKGETHI): Mr Chairperson, I have the pleasure to present to this Honourable House, the Ministry of Nationality, Immigration and Gender Affairs’ Recurrent and Development Budget proposals for the financial year 2022/23, under Organisation 0400.
In this respect, the sum of Four Hundred and Forty- Three Million, One Hundred and Eight Thousand, Four Hundred and Forty Pula (P443 108 440) is requested under the Recurrent Budget, while an amount of One Hundred and Thirty-Five Million, Eight Hundred and Thirty-One Thousand, Eight Hundred and Eight Pula (P135 831 808) is requested under the Development Budget.
Mr Chairperson, the budget is being requested to advance the ministry’s mandate, which entails: safeguarding civil registration and national identity; managing migration, processing VISAs and Residence Permits; registration of Societies, and promotion of gender equality.

My ministry is continuously reviewing legislation and regulations to create a conducive environment for trade and investment and improve service delivery.
In this regard, the following Acts are at different stages of the review process: • Immigration Act - The review is proposed to be undertaken during the financial year 2022/2023.

Which will modernise the Work and Residence Permits, and the VISA regime.

• Citizenship Act – A comprehensive review is being contemplated to address gaps inherent in the Act.

The latest review resulted in Citizenship (Amendment) Bill, 2020 (No.
23 of 2020), which seeks to reduce the age of majority from 21 years to 18 years in line with the Interpretation Act.

• National Registration Act – The review is meant to align Citizenship Act with the Interpretation Act on the age of maturity.

• Births and Deaths Registration Act - The review seeks to align the Act to the Children’s Act and the Interpretation Act.
• Marriage Act - The Act is currently under review to provide for among others, registration of religious and traditional marriages, monitoring and regulation of appointed Marriage Officers, to prohibit child marriages and protect the child.

Further consultations are to be undertaken to address other emerging issues such as polygamy and other forms of marriage.
• Married Persons Property Act - The amendment which aims to provide for a moratorium to register property instruments that have not been registered.

• Change of Name Act - The review sought to regulate the number of times one can change their name.
• Societies Act – The review sought to align the Societies Act with the Financial Intelligence Act, especially Section 44, which prescribes obligations of Supervisory Authorities in dealing with issues relating to Anti-Money Laundering and Counter Terrorism Financing (AML/CTF).

In an effort to continue to contribute to the mitigation of the burden of the impact of the COVID-19 pandemic through border closures, 17 out of 34 Ports of Entry/ Exit remain closed.
My ministry will continue to engage with other stakeholders and duly notified the public of any new developments.

Mr Chairperson, the ministry remains committed to facilitating smooth movement of people, goods and services, by the establishment of One-Stop-Border Posts (OSBPs).
This concept has been identified as a 52 Hansard No 205Tuesday 1st March, 2022ORGANISATION 0400 - MINISTRY OF NATIONALITY, IMMIGRATION AND GENDER AFFAIRSCommittee of Supply (Resumed Debate) key driver for facilitating ease of doing business.

The OSBP project at Kazungula has been successfully completed and has been commissioned and is fully operational.
Currently, my ministry is working in conjunction with the Ministry of Finance and Economic Development who are spearheading the negotiations for the establishment of OSBPs.

We continue to contend with an influx of irregular migrants into the country.

From February 2021 to December 2021, a total of 3 200 irregular migrants were repatriated at a cost of Seven Hundred and Eighty-Five Thousand, One Hundred and Seventy-Two Pula, Fifty- Three Thebe (P785 172.53).
Mr Chairperson, in line with Government’s digital transformation strategy espoused in the RESET agenda, the ministry launched e-VISA in August 2021.

This initiative is meant to facilitate investors and tourists to access our services.

In addition, my ministry is digitalising the National Identification System, to convert it into an electronic version that would enable On-line application and usage.

We will also develop an On-line Passport application platform.
Mr Chairperson, I must still plead with Batswana to continue to apply and collect their national identity cards in a timely manner.

To date our offices are sitting with a number of uncollected national identities.

The National Registers of Botswana indicate a live population of two million, five hundred and forty-nine thousand, two hundred and forty-four (2 549 244).
This compares well with the population projections of two million, three hundred and four thousand, two hundred and thirty-seven (2,304,237) by the Botswana National and District Population Projections.

The National Births Register stands at one million, nine hundred and eighty-three thousand, nine hundred and eighty-four (1 983 984) since 1968 to date.
Out of this, nine hundred and eighty-four thousand, nine hundred and thirty-four (984 934) were females and nine hundred and ninety-seven thousand, four hundred and eighty-seven (997 487) were males.

During the period April 2020 to January 2021, forty- nine thousand, three hundred and eleven (49 311) births were registered.

As at January 2021, the National Births Register for people under the age of 16 years stood at eight hundred and fifty-eight thousand, eight hundred and forty-four (858 844).
Mr Chairperson, regarding societies, the total number of registered societies stands at nine thousand, eight hundred and seven (9 807) since April 1973 to date.

The majority of these are religious groupings, which total two thousand, three hundred and four (2 304) followed by sporting clubs at two thousand, two hundred and sixty-nine (2 269), burial societies at one thousand, seven hundred and fifty-five (1 755), charitable organisations at five hundred and seventy-five (575).
The remaining two thousand, nine hundred and four (2 904) are miscellaneous societies.

Since April 2021 to date, one hundred and twenty (120) societies were registered while thirteen societies were de-registered on account of none-compliance.

Mr Chairperson, I wish to indicate that my ministry through the Registrar of Societies has been designated the Supervisory authority of Non-Profit Making Organisations (NPOs) in accordance with the Financial Intelligence Act (FIA).
This responsibility requires amongst others, regulation and supervision of NPOs for compliance with the FIA, as well as to conduct risk-based supervision of Anti-Money Laundering and Counter Terrorism Financing and Proliferation (AML/ CFT&P).

My ministry continues implement AML/CFT to initiatives, which include capacity building for the Registrar of Societies staff and NPOs on issues of AML/CFT as well as conducting inspections on NPOs to ensure compliance to AML/CFT obligations.
Mr Chairperson, the Civil Society Organisations (CSOs) are key partners in delivering the much needed development of the nation.

As such, we continue to facilitate and support their work by among others, capacitating the Non-Governmental Organisations (NGO) Council.

I wish to highlight that during the 2020/21 financial year, the NGO Council commenced a review of the 2012 National NGO Policy.

It is expected that the policy review will be concluded in the 2022/23 financial year.
It is worth noting that the National NGO Policy identified resource mobilisation as being critical to the sustenance and independence of CSOs.

As such, establishment of an endowment fund remains a priority.

Mr Chairperson, may we be reminded that gender equality and empowerment is fundamental in achieving any development goals.
I would also like to commend His Excellency, the President of the Republic of 53 Hansard No 205Tuesday 1st March, 2022ORGANISATION 0400 - MINISTRY OF NATIONALITY, IMMIGRATION AND GENDER AFFAIRSCommittee of Supply (Resumed Debate) Botswana, Dr Mokgweetsi Eric Keabetswe Masisi for making a deliberate decision to appoint women into leadership positions.

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Funds were used to secure new places of safety and provide other services such as psycho-social support and medical assistance.
Mr Chairperson, I do acknowledge that though we are making progress in women’s representation in the public service, we need to improve in women’s representation in politics.

Noting that His Excellency the President has commissioned the Constitutional Review Committee, I believe the Constitutional Review will consider the various notable gender gaps.

Mr Chairperson, having followed the submissions made by Batswana so far, may I also encourage purposeful reflection on the issue of gender equality.
It is imperative that as a modern society, which intends to reach our Vision 2036 and also become competitive in the global community, we embrace inclusivity and leave no one behind especially the marginalised populations which include women and girls.
It is critical that our Constitution reflects gender equality where all forms of discrimination are eliminated, such that all women and men and girls and boys are fully recognised as equals and are assured of full access to all opportunities available in our country.
Mr Chairperson, noting that gender equality can only be achieved through equitable distribution of resources, I would like to urge all ministries to adopt Gender Responsive Budgeting where each sector will allocate resources to meet the specific and peculiar needs of women and men and girls and boys.

I note that the Ministry of Finance and Economic Development has already started baby steps towards this direction and I trust that they will hasten the pace, as this is an urgent action.
In addition, noting the significant development budget committed for the financial year 2022/2023, when all sectors recognise and prioritise gender mainstreaming, we can realise sustainable development whereupon the differing needs of men and women are an integral part of progress and change.

Mr Chairperson, Gender Based Violence (GBV) continues to haunt us with cases escalating and becoming more gruesome during the COVID-19 pandemic.
Noting the need to house more GBV survivors, Government increased the financial support to the Botswana Gender Based Violence Prevention and Support Centre based in Gaborone and the Women Against Rape (WAR) in My ministry concluded the feasibility study on the Establishment and Strengthening of Safe Havens in March 2021.

The findings and recommendations from the study are being considered to determine the approach that Government could adopt in housing GBV survivors.
Mr Chairperson, following the establishment of a Gender Based Violence Inter-Ministerial Committee and its inaugural meeting on 8th February 2021, the committee has undergone training on Gender Equality and GBV Response in October 2021 and January 2022.
The committee is expected to be instrumental in driving the national GBV response by among others, conducting public awareness campaigns and effectively guiding the review of the National Policy on Gender and Development, as well as the National Strategy Towards Ending Gender Based Violence.

My ministry will embark on an intense public education and capacity building of various sectors in the coming financial year, to enhance knowledge and skill for scaling up the gender mainstreaming initiative.
Mr Chairperson, my ministry continues with advocacy and public awareness raising in an effort to promote gender equality and GBV prevention.

PROGRESS ON THE IMPLEMENTATION OF DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS DURING THE 2021/22 FINANCIAL YEAR Mr Chairperson, it is worth noting that Two Rivers, Bokspits, Makopong, Paarshalt, Zanzibar and Mabolwe have not yet been installed with the Passport and Border Control System (PBCS).
The first phase which involved cabling at all the six borders and procurement of the necessary hardware has been completed, whilst, installation of the PBCS will be completed during the 2022/23 financial year.

Mr Chairperson, the refurbishment of the Ministry Headquarters Building is on-going.

The refurbishment of the air-cooling and heating system was completed in February 2020 with the exception of the ninth floor which will be undertaken during this financial year.
The contractor for the building works started on 2nd November 2020 and was expected to complete in August 2021 and has been delayed.

54 Hansard No 205Tuesday 1st March, 2022ORGANISATION 0400 - MINISTRY OF NATIONALITY, IMMIGRATION AND GENDER AFFAIRSCommittee of Supply (Resumed Debate) Having said that Mr Chairperson, allow me to proceed and present the 2022/23 Recurrent and Development budget for departments under my ministry.
RECURRENT BUDGET Mr Chairperson, for the Recurrent Budget, I request Four Hundred and Forty-Three Million, One Hundred and Eight Thousand, Four Hundred and Forty Pula (P443,108,440).

This represents a decrease of Nine Million, Seven Hundred and Seven Thousand, Six Hundred and Fifty Pula (P9,707,650) from the 2021/22 budget provision translating to 2.1 per cent.
0401 - HEADQUARTERS I propose that an amount of Fifty-Five Million, Eight Hundred and Sixty-Nine Thousand, Three Hundred and Fifty Pula (P55,869,350) be allocated under Headquarters.

This is an increase of Six Hundred and Sixty-Nine Thousand, Five Hundred and Forty Pula (P669,540) or 1.2 per cent increase from the 2021/22 budget provision.

This increase is mainly to cover office rentals for new buildings that have been leased by the ministry.
0402 - DEPARTMENT OF IMMIGRATION AND CITIZENSHIP Mr Chairperson, an amount of Two Hundred and Fifty Million, Eight Hundred and Eighty-Five Thousand, Seven Hundred and Forty Pula (P250,885,740) is requested for this department.

This is a decrease of Seven Million, Six Hundred and Thirty-Eight Thousand, Nine Hundred and Ninety Pula (P7,638,990) or 3.0 per cent of the 2021/22 budget allocation.
408 - GENDER AFFAIRS DEPARTMENT Mr Chairperson, I propose that an amount of Forty- Seven Million, Two Hundred and Seventy-Two Thousand, Eight Hundred and Ten Pula (P47,272,810) be approved for this department.

This is a decrease of Seventy-Nine Thousand, Eight Hundred and Seventy Pula (P79,870) or 0.2 per cent of the 2021/22 budget allocation.
0411 - DEPARTMENT OF CIVIL AND NATIONAL REGISTRATION Mr Chairperson, I propose that an amount of Eighty- Nine Million and Eighty Thousand, Five Hundred and Forty Pula (P89,080,540) be approved.

This is a decrease of Two Million, Six Hundred and Fifty-Eight Thousand, Three Hundred and Thirty Pula (P2,658,330) or 2.9 per cent of the 2021/22 budget allocation.
DEVELOPMENT BUDGET Mr Chairperson, the Development Budget proposal for my ministry for financial year 2022/23 is One Hundred and Thirty-Five Million, Eight Hundred and Thirty-One Thousand, Eight Hundred and Eight Pula (P135,831,808), representing an increase of One Hundred and Nine Million, Eight Hundred and Thirty-One Thousand, Eight Hundred and Eight Pula (P109,831,808.00) translating to more than double (422 per cent) increase of the 2021/22 budget allocation.
The budget is allocated as follows: 11081 - MNIG COMPUTERISATION Mr Chairperson, I propose a budget provision of Eighty- Six Million, Three Hundred and Thirty-One Thousand, Eight Hundred and Eight Pula (P86,331,808) for computerisation projects.
Out of this amount, Eighty Million Pula (P80, 000,000) will be utilised for the development of the Electronic National Identification System (Biometric Omang), Four million Pula (P4,000,000) will be for the Computerisation of Border Posts and Installation of Public Key Directory.
The budget proposal for automation of registration of societies, marriages and change of name is One Million, Six Hundred Thousand Pula (P1,600,000) to be used to acquire hardware, whilst the remaining Seven Hundred and Thirty-One Thousand, Eight Hundred and Eight Pula (P731,808) will be for procurement of Information and Communications Technology (ICT) equipment for ministry new officers.
INFRASTRUCTURE DEVELOPMENT Mr Chairperson, a budget proposal of Forty-Nine Million, Five Hundred Thousand Pula (P49, 500,000) is being requested for infrastructure projects.

Out of this amount, Thirty-Two Million Pula (P32, 000,000) will be used to complete the refurbishment of the ministry headquarters building.
Three Million Pula (P3, 000,000) is proposed for the procurement of portal cabins for use as office and residential accommodation at Dobe Border Post, whilst Ten Million, Five Hundred Thousand Pula (P10, 500,000) is requested for the purchase of houses for the ministry staff countrywide.

The remaining Four Million Pula (P4, 000,000) will be used to undertake a feasibility study on the establishment of an Off-site Business Continuity Production Centre.
Mr Chairperson, this concludes my presentation of the 2022/23 Recurrent and Development Budget proposals for my ministry.
I therefore request that the 55 Hansard No 205Tuesday 1st March, 2022ORGANISATION 0400 - MINISTRY OF NATIONALITY, IMMIGRATION AND GENDER AFFAIRSCommittee of Supply (Resumed Debate) sum of Four Hundred and Forty-Three Million, One Hundred and Eight Thousand, Four Hundred and Forty Pula (P443,108,440) under the Recurrent Budget for Organisation 0400 be approved and stand part of the Schedule of the Appropriation (2022/23) Bill, 2022; and that the sum of One Hundred and Thirty-Five Million, Eight Hundred and Thirty-One Thousand, Eight Hundred and Eight Pula (P135,831,808) for the Development Budget for Organisation 0400 be approved and stand part of those Estimates for the Financial Year 2022/23.
I therefore, move accordingly.

I thank you Mr Chairperson.

MINISTER OF MINERAL RESOURCES, GREEN TECHNOLOGY AND ENERGY SECURITY (MR MOAGI): Ke go leboge Mr Chairperson ya komiti.

Ke itumelele se Tona a ntseng a se re baya pele, ke supe gore ke mo ema nokeng.

Ke eletsa thata gore o ka itebaganya le dintlha dingwe ke tse, tse di re tshwentseng, mme di ka thusa gore di sinose di bo di fokotse dilo tse dintsi fa re lebile tokafalo ya matshelo mo gae.
Ke tlaa simolola fela ka kgang ya melelwane bagaetsho, ke itumela thata e bile ka gore le Tona wa madi o ntse a e ama, e bile kana re itse gore tota sentlentle thitokgang e simolola kwa ministry wa ga Mme Mokgethi.

E tshwaragane jalo le ba bo Finance, International Affairs le ba bo Defence, Justice and Security fale le fale.

Ke supa gore nako e tlile ya gore mo teng ga dipaakanyo tsotlhe tse di dirilweng ka go kganela bolwetse le go reng, le go reng, melelwane bagaetsho e tshwanetse go bulwa.
Re leke go thusa go kokoana kwa melelwaneng e mengwe e e santseng e butswe e le nosi ya Tlokweng, Lobatse le e mengwe jalojalo.

Ke supa jaana ka gore matshelo a le mantsi a ikaegile ka melelwane e, jaanong re tshwanetse go thusa batho ba go nna jalo, ba tle ba kgone gore le bone ba tsweledise matshelo a bone.

Fa ke akanya gore go na le ba ba rwalang batho, cross-border transportation, ba le bone ba saleng ba tswaletswe batho ba Modimo ka March 2020, ba digela dingwaga tse pedi jaanong.
Tota go botlhoko mo go bone, re ne re kile ra re re ba kopela permits tse di temporary ka kwano gore ba ka nna ba thusa fale le fale.

It is proving difficult for these people to actually exercise their economic activities.

Ke sone se ke se kopelang thata gore a ko ba sekasekelwe.

Melelwane e kana gape e thusa ka gore e ka fokotsa le borukutlhi jo bontsi, there are so many illegal crossings.

Ke gore batho ba tlaabo ba simolola fela ba tlola kwa Ntsenne fa o bua ka molelwane wa Ramotswa.
Fa o santse o re ba kwa Ntsenne, ba kwa Rasetomma, fa o re ba koo ba kwa Lefafung, fa o re ba koo ba sietse kwa Sakutswana.

Gone go cross mo gakere jaanong ba stretch le bone ba e leng gore ba ne ba re thusa go tlhokomela border, ba sesole le ba sepodise.

Go tsweng foo se se diragalang ke gore le leruo la rona jaanong le a nyelela le a tsamaya.

Fa o santse o re o ba lebile kwa, ba sietse kwa.


Dilo tse bagaetsho fa re ka boela kwa goreng re bulela batho at the designated crossing areas, ba tlaa kgona go re thusa.

Le gone golo mo go tlaa reduce le disease burden, ka gore re tlaabo re itse gore batho ba cross koo, ba a tlholwa ba bo ba reng, go gasagasa mogare mo go bo go fokotsega.

A golo foo tota go kopanelwe, go tle go lebelelwe, lefatshe ka bophara, go ya go tsena fela kwa bo Sekhutlane, Bray, o boela le kwa godimo kwa bo Ramokgwebana kwa.
Ke kgang e ke batlang e salwa morago thata.

Ke bo ke itumela thata ka e ya Omang bagaetsho, Tona o ntse a re baya pele ka fa a tshetseng thoto ya madi ka teng gore go nne le that electronic biometric ya Omang, e bile go tlaa nna le online application platforms.

Ga go a bolo go tsaya lebaka, e tsile nako ya gore dilo tse di diragale thata, bogolo jang after this National Registration Act.
Re e align yotlhe fela le melawana e re ntseng re e fetisa mo Palamenteng ya bo Citizen Act, Interpretation Act le Data Protection Act.

Dilo tse di siilwe ke nako, re tshwanetse gore re dire dilo tse tsotlhe bogolo jang, ka gore re itebagantse le gore the age of majority ya 18 years, e bo e le yone e e tsamaelanang le sengwe le sengwe.

Le ene Omang tota a tsewe ka 18 jaaka botlhophi bo dirwa kwa 18 ka tsela e e ntseng jalo.
Biometric e e tlaa re thusa thata gape ka gore, e tlaa re fela o ya go tsena kwa e bo e le gore mela e mentsi e e diyang tiro, e e leng gore le fa o ne o ka tsaya Omang fela o goroga gone foo, fela jaaka re tsaya licence ya go kgweetsa le ya go kgethela dikoloi, o bo o tsena fela foo o tsamaya.

Dilo tse di fefosa ditirelo, di thusa gore go se ka ga nna le mesuke, di thusa gore ditirelo di ye kwa bathong.

Golo mo go ka thusa thata.


Gape fa information ya gago e le moo e bolokilwe mo teng ga disigo tse di bayang information tseo, go go bolokela dignity ya gago.

Go na le botlhoko jo bo e tleng bo direge, ka gore o tlaa fitlhela go sena spaces sentle tse batho ba ka kgonang go thusediwa mo go tsone mo sephiring.

O bo o botswa dipotso fela tse di thata tse di kima, “a nkukuago o ne a nyetswe?

O kile a tlhala?” ke gore dilo tse di ntseng jalo.


Dilo tse di tlaa thusa gore di sireletse seriti sa Motswana kwa gae, a kgone gore le ene a thusege sentle and avoid those demeaning conversations.

56 Hansard No 205Tuesday 1st March, 2022ORGANISATION 0400 - MINISTRY OF NATIONALITY, IMMIGRATION AND GENDER AFFAIRSCommittee of Supply (Resumed Debate) Le fa o batla go sekaseka baikopedi ba ditiro le Visa, go tlaa thusa le bodiredi ka gore information yotlhe e a bo e le gone foo.
Fa e setse e fetoga e le gore e a tokafadiwa, gongwe o fetotse surname kana eng fela sa botshelo jwa gago, go tlaabo go le motlhofo ka gore your information would be stored mo maranyaneng moo.

Ke teng kwa re batlang gore re ye teng, re thuse lefatshe gore re dire dilo ka bonako, re bo re nna le efficiencies tse re di tlhokang.

Ke rotloetsa thata motlotlegi gore a madi a o setseng o a supile, a tsene a dire tiro eo thata ka bonako jo bo rileng.
Ke itumelela gape kgang that aligns this age of majority bagaetsho.

E align yotlhe fela gore re tle re kgone gore jaanong re bo re itse gore re berekela mo go 18, le boswa ke tsaya gore bo tlaa abiwa sentle ngwana a sena go nna a cross 18 ka tsela e e ntseng jalo.

Motlotlegi gape o ne a bua ka kgang e ya Gender Based Violence (GBV), bagaetsho kgang e e a tshwenya.
Re tshelela mo letshogong le le boitshegang kwa magaeng, dikoloi, gongwe le gongwe, ke gore fa o re o ema mo traffic light, nnyaa e setse e le dikgokgontsho fela tse di boitshegang.

Ke itumela thata ka gore o ne a supa gore melawana e e ntse e baakanngwa, e e tlaabong e lebagana le gore a punitive measures di nne teng, tse di ka lekang go koba batho mo go reng ba tlogele go nna ba dira dikgokgontsho tse di masisi, tse di boitshegang tseo.
Go okediwe sentences tsa rape jaaka re setse re bone mo melaong e re e fetisitseng.

Fa e le gore o ka fitlhela o na le tse dingwe tse di ka kgotlelang botshelo jwa motho, dilo tseo di nne jalo.

Le fa go ntse jalo, re leboge batsadi ba ba ntseng ba tsweletse ba thubile lebelo jaaka our First Lady, Mma Masisi, a tsamaya a ruta, a na le ba bangwe.

A dilo tseo di se ka tsa nna just punitive, e nne gape le thuto.

Ke gore e simolole kwa moding, e tsene le kwa dikoleng tse di potlana, e neelwe bana.
Ba gole ka yone ba tsamaya le dikole tse di kgolwanyane jalo.

Re ithute, re bo re itse go tlamela banana le bana ba rona.

Go botlhoko o fitlhela letsatsi le letsasi gotwe ngwana yo o seven years o thubeditswe ke rre wa 28 years ka tsela e e ntseng jalo.

Jaanong re tsala se e leng gore mo lefatsheng, e tlaabo e nna gore morafe o o foo, o o itseng ngwana yo, o godisitse ngwana, o bo o itseela molao mo diatleng tsa gore o baakanye dilo tse di ntseng jaana.
Ke a itse gore fa re ntse re tsamaya Kgotla meetings jaana, ba bangwe ba bua mafoko a a bokete a gore motho fa a dirile ngwana jalo, o ka dirwa jang.

Go na le dipuo tse di ntseng jalo bagaetsho.

Jaanong re re a thuto e tsene mo bathong.

Ke itumela gape gore ba ba dirang ditiro tse di ntseng jaana, ba tlaa nna mo register.

Go na le Sex Offenders Register le Paedophile Registry.
Dilo tse fa o ya go di tsaya, o bo o di tlhakanya le Biometric Omang, o ya go fitlhela e le gore fa o tobetsa leina la ga semangmang jaana, e tlaabo e kakabolola dilo tse tsotlhe tse di bosula tseo.

Golo moo go ka itsa gore batho bao ba bewe fa tlase ga bana.

O ya go fitlhela e le motho a ya go dira tiro e tshwana le ya borutabana.

Jaanong fa e ntse jalo, se supa jalo gore motho yo o ka nna le botlhabetsi mo baneng, o ka sutisiwa go bapa le bana.

O ka sutisiwa go bapa le ba ba vulnerable e le bomme.
Jaanong ke a itumela mma, tsamaya o ye go dira dithulaganyo tse tsotlhe tseno tse re go di neetseng.

Ke supe jalo gore ke ema kopo ya gago nokeng.

Se diege mma, a dilo di tsene di diragale ka bonako re tle re neele Batswana ditlamelo.

Ke a leboga Mr Chairperson.

MINISTER OF FINANCE AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT (MS SERAME): Ke a leboga Mr Chairperson.

Ke simolole ka go leboga Honourable Minister for her presentation.
Ke supe kwa tshimologong Honourable Chairperson gore le nna ke mo eme nokeng mo kopong ya gagwe ya madi.

Palamente e tle e mo neele madi a a kopelang lephata, re lebeletse dikgang tse a di dirang gore di ka mo thusa thata.

Ka gore nako e khutshwane Mr Chairperson, ke kopa go simolola ka e nna le ene re leng mmogo mo go yone ya Gender Responsive Budgeting.

Ke tlhalose gore re le lefatshe, budget ya rona ka fa re ntseng re e dira ka teng, e gender neutral.
Ke sengwe se re ntseng re se dira for the longest time.

Re ne re na le mabaka a re a supang gone fa gore budget ya rona e gender neutral mme re dumela gore e thusa bomme le borre ka go lekana.

Tse dingwe ra tsamaya re ntse re dira ditlhabololo ka bonya ka bonya over the years.

Mr Chairperson, re ne ra lemoga gore ga go a lekana gore tse re di dirileng re ka re we are as gender responsive as can be mo budget ya rona.
E rile last year ka kgwedi ya November, 2021 ra dira a study and assessment e re neng ra tsaya ba ba nang le boitsaanape go tla go sekaseka ka fa re dirang budget ya rona ka teng le go lebelela dikgang tsa gender.

Re bona gone mme fa go tsewa indicators tse nine fa o lebelela gender le Budget, a re dira sentle re le lefatshe la Botswana.

Jaaka ke bua gore re simolotse ka November last year.

Ba ba neng ba re direla assessment eo, ba sa tswa go fetsa.
Re solofela gore e tlaa re mo nakong e e sa fediseng pelo, ba bo ba re neela tshekatsheko eo.
Maikaelelo a rona ke gore fa re sena go nna re dira tshekatsheko e e leng gore there are nine indicators, tse dingwe di lebelela impact ya budget policy proposal, tse 57 Hansard No 205Tuesday 1st March, 2022ORGANISATION 0400 - MINISTRY OF NATIONALITY, IMMIGRATION AND GENDER AFFAIRSCommittee of Supply (Resumed Debate) dingwe di lebelela le documentation, gore a re a goroga kwa bathong le the services that we provide le impact ya tsone.
E tlaa re fa ba sena go nna ba re neela report e re neng re dira tshekatsheko e jaanong re bo re bona gore re ya go fetola eng fa kae.

Go botlhokwa gore le rona mo dikgannyeng tsa rona jaaka re dira Budget re tsamaelane le dinako le diphetogo tse di tlhokafalang gore dikgang tsa gender di se ka tsa salela kwa morago.
Ke simolole ka yone ka gore I think e botlhokwa thata gore batho ba tlhaloganye gore unlike fa yo mongwe a ne a bua gore ka gore ke Minister of Finance wa mosadi, ke tshwanetse gore fa ke bua, ke tle go bua ka sanitary pads, it is much bigger than that.

There are a number of issues tse e leng gore a gender responsive budget e tshwanetse e itebaganye le tsone.

Re ne ra itshekatsheka.


Jaaka ke bua re solofetse gore re tlaa neelwa tshekatsheko e e tlaabong e na le recommendations tsa gore kwa re tlhaelang teng ke fa kae, re tshwanetse re fetole eng, re bo re se fetole mo nakong e e kae.

Ke solofela gore e tlaare mo ngwageng o o tlang kana ngwaga o o ntse o tsamaya, ka kgona go nna ke lekodisanya le lona le le Ntlo ya Palamente gore mme mo go se re se boneng ke eng le gore re ya go dira eng, re se dira ka tsela e e ntseng jang.
Se sengwe se ke batlang go feta ka sone ka bofefo Honourable Chairperson ke gore go na le ditiro tse re di dirang mmogo le ba lephata le, bogolo jang kwa melelwaneng.

Ke sengwe se e leng gore jaaka e bile re dira bo One Stop Border Post re mmogo mo teng.

Re tlaa tswelela re go solofetsa gore re tlaabo re go eme nokeng, bogolo jang jaaka e le gore mo gongwe BURS ka gore letseno la bone, le policy ya bone ba na le madi a a botokanyana gore re tlhabolola dikago tsa rona kwa melelwaneng.
Bodiredi jwa rona ba nne le boroko tota fa ba nnang teng kwa melelwaneng.

Re pataganetse tiro e e ntseng jalo.

Ke go lebogele gore jaaka ke bona mo pegong ya gago, go na le fa o buang ka digitisation, gone go diragatsa maranyane gore re tlhofofatse re bo re tokafatse ditirelo tsa rona.

Ke sengwe se e leng gore se botlhokwa thata gore re ye kwa pele.

Re salela kwa morago mme ke dumela gore fa re ka tsenya maranyane, a ka re thusa thata le gone kwa melelwaneng ya rona.
Ditiro tse dingwe fela tse o di dirang tse e leng gore di thusa economy in general gone go bona gore re ya kwa pele, re tokafatsa le ditirelo jaaka re di neela batho.

E nngwe e ke batlang go bua ka yone ke ya melao.

Go na le melao e Tona a supileng gore o e fetisitse, mme gape go na le e mengwe e a supileng gore o dumela gore mo ngwageng o o tlang wa madi o tlaa e diragatsa, Honourable Chairperson.
Ke mo rotloetsa thata gore ke a itse gore line ya go dira melao kwa go ba ba re direlang melao e telelenyana.

Ke a mo rotloetsa gore re tlaa ema le ene re ye go kopa ba ba maleba gore di fiwe priority.

Ke dumela gore melao e a ntseng a e bua e e botlhokwa thata gore re e fetise ka gore e ka tsamaisa le tse dingwe dilo tse e leng gore di lebega di sa tsamaye ka bofefo jo re bo eletsang.

Go na le kgang e nngwe ya malatsi otlhe e re e buang ya Gender Based Violence (GBV).
Tona, re lemoga se o setseng o se dirile, e bile mo go yone e ke batla gore ke tseye nako ke leboge batsayakarolo mo go se re setseng re se dirile se se bonalang, se se dirilweng mo ngwageng o re tswang mo go one, re tsenya ba sepodise, Non-Governmental Organisations (NGOs) le tiro e ba e dirang.

Re a ba leboga.

Go botlhokwa gore re nne re lemoga seabe sa bone.

Mo go yone e ke dumela gore go santse go le gontsi re le tšhaba ya Botswana mo re tshwanetseng gore re go dire to address GBV.
Mo go yone e, re e bitsa re re kgokgontsho, ga ke itse gore re ka e bua re reng.

Nako e nngwe ke belaela gore ka gore mo gongwe re bua Sekgoa, mo gongwe re bo re re kgokgontsho, motho yo mongwe o tlaabo a re, “nnyaa ga ke kgokgontshe ope, wa me mosadi ke a mmetsa.” Re lese go nna re bua GBV le kgokgontsho, re nne re bua fela gore mosadi ga a betswe, mosadi ga a twe, monna ga a buisiwe dipuo tse di botlhoko, ga a dirwe jaana, ga a dirwe jaana.
Mo gongwe o ka fitlhela e le gore motho yo mongwe fa a bua ka GBV, mo tlhaloganyong ya gagwe ga a ipone a e diragatsa because ka fa a e utlwang e buiwa ka teng, ga a kgone go tsaya a lomaganya le tse a di dirang.

Malatsi otlhe fa ke bua, mo gongwe re lebelela gore re thusa jang a girl child gore a ipone a le mo seemong se le ene a dirang tiro nngwe le nngwe, re aga motho yo o assertive.

E re fa re dira jalo, we build this assertive woman, a le borre kana basimane re se ka ra ba tlogela kwa morago.
Mo gongwe o ka fitlhela e le gore fa re ba tlogetse kwa morago, kgantele tshidisanyo ya bone bobedi jo, e bo e nna bokete because re tlogetse yo mongwe kwa morago.

Dilo tse tsotlhe Mr Chairperson, di botlhokwa gore e fa re dira Peggy Serame yo o assertive yo o sa tshabeng Honourable Hikuama, Honourable Hikuama le ene re se ka ra mo dira gore fa a kopana le Peggy yo o assertive e bo e le gore go nna le mathata gone foo.

Jaanong ke dingwe tse di botlhokwa gore re di diragatse.
58 Hansard No 205Tuesday 1st March, 2022ORGANISATION 0400 - MINISTRY OF NATIONALITY, IMMIGRATION AND GENDER AFFAIRSCommittee of Supply (Resumed Debate) Go aga ngwana wa mosimane le wa mosetsana, ke gone o aga boeteledipele.

Ka ke ne ke tle ke tsamaye thata fa gongwe, ke ne ke tle ke bone o kare mo gongwe what we do as a nation to build leaders ka gore o mo aga fela go tswa kwa bonnyennyaneng, mo gongwe dilo dingwe re kgona go tsamaya o kare re nna bonya.
Mo gongwe re latlha dilo dingwe tse gotweng ke ngwao ya rona kana setso sa rona, part of our culture tse e leng gore fa re ne re ka se ka ra di tlogela, ke gore e re fa re tsaya tse di tswang kwa ntle, a re se ka ra latlha le tsa rona tsa ngwao tse di agang motho mo setšhabeng, yo o nang le boikarabelo, yo o ka nnang moeteledipele.

Dilo tse di botlhokwa.

E re le fa re tla re kopa (copy) dilo dingwe, mme dilo dingwe re se ka ra di tlogela.
Ke batla gore ke wele ka go kopa our traditional and religious leaders gore re a ba leboga e bile re lebogela dikgang tse ba re eteletseng pele ka tsone mme ke a ba kopa gore seabe sa bone mo go ageng setšhaba le mo go re thuseng dikgang tse tsa kgokgontsho ya bong, fa ba ka re etelela pele re le batho ba bone, re ka bona go nna le pharologanyo mo go bone.
E bile go tlaa tsaya bone gore fa go na le dingwe tsa rona tsa setso kana tsa ngwao ya rona tse kgotsa di ka lebegang di rotloetsa kgokgontsho, ke bone fa ba ka bua pele ba ntsha lentswe, morafe o ka kgona go ba utlwa Mr Chairperson.

Go botlhokwa gore tsotlhe tse re di pataganele.

Batlotlegi ba ba mo teng ga Ntlo e, a go simolole ka rona go ruta setšhaba le bana ba ba kwa ntle gore go buisanya sentle ka lerato, tlotlo, re agana, re tsholetsanya, go simolola ka rona.
Go aga setšhaba, go se ka re kgokgontshana.

Nako e nngwe e re kgokgontshanya re re re a tshameka ke a itse, mme ba ba kwa ntle fa ba re lebeletse re tshamekisanya jaaka re tshamekisana, ba bangwe ba kgona go ithaya ba re ke gone mo go siameng.
Ga ke a re le molato, ke ne ke re a e ne e re fa re dira dinyao tsa rona ka gore re na le dinyao tsa rona re le Mapalamente, fa re ka nna serious thata tiro e ka nna bokete, mme le rona a ka fa re dirang dilo tsa rona ka teng, re buisanya ka teng, le rona go re supe re le batho setšhabeng, re age, re bope, re nne boeteledipele jo re ka nnang sekai mo setšhabeng.

Ka mafoko a a kalo, ke ema nokeng kopo ya madi ya ga Tona.

Ke a leboga Honourable Chairperson.

go tsholetsa kgantelenyana.


Gatwe go na le list e e isitsweng kwa go wena koo.

Go tsena Honourable Motsamai le bo Kenny.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Bua fela.

MR HIKUAMA: Ba tloga ba ya go nkoba mo phathing.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: O legatlapa.

MR CHAIRPERSON: Honourable Motsamai.

MR MOTSAMAI (GHANZI SOUTH): Tanki Mr Chairperson.

Le batla Hikuama a šhašhole.

Mr Chairperson, ke ne ke re ke akgele mo pegong e re e beilweng pele.
Ke simolole fela ka go supa matshwenyego, bogolo jang a batho ba kgaolo ya Ganzi South, ke lebile kgang e e ntseng e diragala e bile e diragala kwa molelwaneng ya maP500 a charge ya COVID test.

E babalela thata batho ba kgaolo ya me go feta batho ba dikgaolo tse dingwe ka gore totatota ke masika, ba tsamaya letsatsi le letsatsi, ba bilediwa ditirelo tse di farologanyeng go le manyalo, dintsho le malwetse.

Ke dilo tse di ba amang Mr Chairperson.


Re kopile thatathata gore batho ba kente mme e bile ba itekile.

A nako ga e a tla gore jaanong batho ba letlelelwe to cross Mr Chairperson go lebilwe seemo sa bone ka fa ba tsereng mokento ka teng ba bo ba sala ditsamaiso morago ka teng?

Mr Chairperson, ke utlwile Minister a bua ka One Stop Border ya kwa Kazungula.
Mr Chairperson, molelwane wa Mamuno o setse o le mo seemong sa gore o bewe mo seemong seo gore ditirelo tsotlhe tse moeti a ka di bonang di direlwe foo.

Go botlhoko gore go bo gotwe travelling document ya motho ga e a siama go bo gotwe a palame a ye kwa Ghanzi which is 203 kilometres, a boe gape a boele fa Mamuno, another 203 kilometres, almost 406 kilometres Mr Chairperson, o siana fela ka pampitshana fela e e ka baakanngwang foo.
Mr Chairperson, le tsone passports, go botlhokwa gore fa e le One Stop Border jaana, batho ba bone ditirelo gone foo.

Batho ba bo Ncojane, Kole, Charles Hill, Makunda, ba dikgaolo tse di gautshwane tsa bo New Xanagas ba tshwanetse go bona ditirelo gautshwane foo fa Mamuno Mr Chairperson.

MR CHAIRPERSON: Thank Honourable Hikuama.

you Minister, MR HIKUAMA: Thank you Mr Chairperson.
I am sorry Mr Chairperson, go raya gore ke ne ke sa bolo Ke santse e bile ke bua ka Kole, e kile ya re mo lebakeng le le fetileng ka bua gore go tlhokafala gore go nne le motshelakgabo wa molelwane Mr Chairperson o o lebaganeng le dipolase tse ka kwa Namibia di bidiwang tsa bo Khori.

Tsela eo e ka nna gautshwane go nale 59 Hansard No 205Tuesday 1st March, 2022ORGANISATION 0400 - MINISTRY OF NATIONALITY, IMMIGRATION AND GENDER AFFAIRSCommittee of Supply (Resumed Debate) Question put and agreed to.
The Assembly accordingly adjourned at 6:02 p.m. until Wednesday 2nd March, 2022 at 2:00 p.m. gore motho a tsamaye all the way from Ncojane, 100 kilometres mme a boe gape a tsamaye another 100 kilometres go tswa mo Charles Hill go ya kwa Gobabis Mr Chairperson.

Go tlaabo go tlhofofaleditse batho mesepele, gongwe motho o tlaabo a cross fela around 40 to 35 kilometres a bo a setse a le ka kwa lefatsheng la Namibia Mr Chairperson.
Le ba ba tlaabong ba tswa kwa Kgalagadi North ba ka tlola botoka Mr Chairperson go le gautshwane le bone go na le gore ba boe gape ba ye kwa Charles Hill go tlola fa Mamuno.

Mr Chairperson, ke utlwile Minister ka kgang e ba neng ba ntse ba e bua ya Omang gore a tshwanetse a tsenngwa boranyane jo a ka tsenyang le documents tse dingwe.

Ke kgang e re ka e lebogelang Mr Chairperson.


Go botlhoko gore fa gongwe motho fa a nyetswe go bo go raya gore go ya go batlega certificate sa lenyalo, matsalo jalojalo le Omang gape foo Mr Chairperson.

Information e e fa e ntsentswe mo pampitshaneng e le nngwefela ya Omang e ka boloka le motho fa a pitlagane gore a ntshe karata e le nngwefela Mr Chairperson ya electronic a kgone gore a thusiwe a ye kwa a yang teng.
A lese go ya go fola, gotwe ya go fola kwa o folele certificate sa manyalo kana sa gore Mr Chairperson o boe gape o folele Omang.

Mr Chairperson, ke dikgang tse ke akanyang gore di ka tokafatsa.

Mr Chairperson, seemo sa molelwane wa Mamuno ga se jese diwelang.

Dikhuti di mo tseleng le fa kgorong ya molelwane wa Mamuno Mr Chairperson... MR SPEAKER (MR SKELEMANI): Order!

Honourable Motsamai, a re eme gone fa molelwaneng wa Mamuno.

MR MOTSAMAI: Ee rra.

MR SPEAKER: Re tlaa tla re tswelela kamoso.


MR MOTSAMAI: Ka molelwane wa Mamuno?

MR SPEAKER: Ee rra.

Honourable Members, it is now six o’clock, may I call upon the Leader of the House, His Honour the Vice President, to move a Motion of adjournment.

MOTION ADJOURNMENT LEADER OF THE HOUSE (MR TSOGWANE): Thank you Mr Speaker.

Mr Speaker, as we have concluded today’s business on the Order Paper, I move that this House do now adjourn.
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