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THE SECOND MEETING OF THE THIRD SESSION OF THE TWELFTH PARLIAMENT MONDAY 14 FEBRUARY 2022 MIXED VERSION HANSARD NO: 205 THE NATIONAL ASSEMBLY SPEAKER The Hon.

Phandu T. C. Skelemani PH, MP.

DEPUTY SPEAKER Hon.

P. P. P. Moatlhodi, MP.

(Tonota) Clerk of the National Assembly Deputy Clerk of the National Assembly Learned Parliamentary Counsel Assistant Clerk (E) His Excellency Dr M. E. K. Masisi, MP.

His Honour S. Tsogwane, MP.


(Boteti West) CABINET - President - Vice President - Ms B. N. Dithapo - Mr L. T. Gaolaolwe - Advocate L. O. Tlhowe - Mr R. Josiah Hon.

K. N. S. Morwaeng, MP.

(Molepolole South) - Minister for Presidential Affairs, Governance and Public Administration Hon.

K. T. Mmusi, MP.

(Gabane-Mmankgodi) - Minister of Defence, Justice and Security Hon.

Dr L. Kwape, MP.

(Kanye South) - Minister of International Affairs and Cooperation Hon.

K. K. Autlwetse, MP.


(Specially Elected) - Minister of Local Government and Rural Development Hon.

K. S. Gare, MP.

(Moshupa-Manyana) - Minister of Agricultural Development and Food Security Hon.

P. K. Kereng, MP.

(Specially Elected) - Minister of Environment, Natural Resources Conservation and Tourism Hon.

Dr E. G. Dikoloti MP.

(Mmathethe-Molapowabojang) - Minister of Health and Wellness Hon.

T.M.

Segokgo, MP.

(Tlokweng) - Minister of Transport and Communications Hon.

K. Mzwinila, MP.
K. Mzwinila, MP.

(Specially Elected) - Minister of Land Management, Water and Sanitation Services Hon.

T. M. Rakgare, MP.

(Mogoditshane) - Minister of Youth Empowerment, Sport and Culture Development Hon.

A. M. Mokgethi, MP.

(Gaborone Bonnington North) - Minister of Nationality, Immigration and Gender Affairs Hon.

P. O. Serame, MP.

(Specially Elected) - Minister of Finance and Economic Development Hon.

F. M. M. Molao, MP.

(Shashe West) - Minister of Basic Education Hon.

Dr D. Letsholathebe, MP.


(Tati East) Hon.

L. M. Moagi, MP.

(Ramotswa) - Minister of Tertiary Education, Research, Science and Technology - Minister of Mineral Resources, Green Technology and Energy Security Hon.

M. Kgafela, MP.

(Mochudi West) - Minister of Investment, Trade and Industry Hon.

M. R. Shamukuni, MP.

(Chobe) - Minister of Employment, Labour Productivity and Skills Development Hon.

E. M. Molale, MP.

(Goodhope-Mabule) - Minister of Infrastructure and Housing Development Hon.
D. M. Mthimkhulu, MP.

(Gaborone South) - Assistant Minister, Presidential Affairs, Governance and Public Administration Hon.

S. N. Modukanele, MP.

(Lerala -Maunatlala) Hon.

T. Monnakgotla, MP.

(Kgalagadi North) Hon.

M. M. Pule, MP.

(Mochudi East) Hon.

M. S. Molebatsi, MP.


(Mmadinare) - Assistant Minister, Local Government and Rural Development - Assistant Minister, Local Government and Rural Development - Assistant Minister, Local Government and Rural Development - Assistant Minister, Agricultural Development and Food Security Hon.

S. Lelatisitswe, MP.

(Boteti East) - Assistant Minister, Health and Wellness Hon.

N. W. T. Makwinja, MP.

(Lentsweletau-Mmopane) - Assistant Minister, Basic Education Hon.

B. Manake, MP.
B. Manake, MP.

(Specially Elected) - Assistant Minister, Investment, Trade and Industry Hon.

H. B. Billy, MP.

(Francistown East) Hon.

A. Lesaso, MP.

(Shoshong) - Assistant Minister, Youth Empowerment, Sport and Culture Development - Assistant Minister,Tertiary Education, Research, Science and Technology MEMBERS OF PARLIAMENT AND THEIR CONSTITUENCIES Names Constituency Hon.

L. Kablay, MP.

(Government Whip) Letlhakeng-Lephephe RULING PARTY (Botswana Democratic Party) Hon.

Dr U. Dow, MP.

Hon.


P. Majaga, MP.

Hon.

M. Balopi, MP.

Hon.

J. S. Brooks, MP.

Hon.

C. Greeff, MP.

Hon.

T. Letsholo, MP.

Hon.

T. F. Leuwe, MP.

Hon.

T. Mangwegape-Healy, MP.

Hon.

Dr T. Matsheka, MP.

Hon.

S. N. Moabi, MP.

Hon.

P. K. Motaosane, MP.

Hon.

O. Regoeng, MP.

Hon.

J. L. Thiite, MP.


Specially Elected Nata-Gweta Gaborone North Kgalagadi South Gaborone Bonnington South Kanye North Takatokwane Gaborone Central Lobatse Tati West Thamaga-Kumakwane Molepolole North Ghanzi North OPPOSITION (Umbrella for Democratic Change) Hon.

D. Saleshando, MP.

(Leader of the Opposition) Hon.

M. G. J. Motsamai, MP.


(Opposition Whip) Maun West Ghanzi South Selebi Phikwe West Mahalapye East Sefhare-Ramokgonami Ngami Okavango Maun East Bobonong Selebi Phikwe East Palapye Nkange Mahalapye West Francistown West Hon.

D. L. Keorapetse, MP.

Hon.

Y. Boko, MP.

Hon.

Dr K. Gobotswang, MP.

Hon.

C. K. Hikuama, MP.

Hon.

K. K. Kapinga, MP Hon.

G. Kekgonegile, MP.

Hon.

T. B. Lucas, MP.

Hon.

K. Nkawana, MP.

Hon.

O. Ramogapi, MP.

Hon.

Dr N. Tshabang, MP.

Hon.

D. Tshere, MP.

Hon.


M. I. Moswaane, MP.

Hon.

T. S. Khama, MP.

Hon.

L. Lesedi, MP.

Hon.

B. Mathoothe, MP.

Hon.

M. Reatile, MP.

(Botswana Patriotic Front) Serowe West Serowe South Serowe North Jwaneng-Mabutsane Hon.

W. B. Mmolotsi, MP.
W. B. Mmolotsi, MP.

Francistown South (Alliance for Progressives) TABLE OF CONTENTS THE SECOND MEETING OF THE THIRD SESSION OF THE TWELFTH PARLIAMENT MONDAY 14th FEBRUARY, 2022 CONTENTS PAGE (S QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER...................................................................................................................1-8 GOVERNMENT BILL Appropriation (2022/2023) Bill, 2022 (No.
2 of 2022) Second Reading (Resumed Debate)..................................................................................................................9-42 TABLING OF A PAPER Report of the Finance and Estimates Committee on the Analysis of the 2022/2023 Budget as Presented in the Appropriation Bill (2022/2023) – Financial Paper No.
2 of 2022/2023............................................................9 Monday 14th February, 2022 THE ASSEMBLY met at 2:00 p.m. (THE SPEAKER in the Chair) P R A Y E R S * * * * QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER CLUSTER FENCING INITIATIVE MR P. MAJAGA (NATA-GWETA): asked the Minister of Agricultural Development and Food Security to apprise this Honourable House on the impact of the cluster fencing initiative in the contribution towards food production and employment creation and to further state: (i) the number of cluster fences that are functional in Botswana; (ii) the number of requests that were approved and funded; (iii) the number of cluster fences in Nata-Gweta Constituency; and (iv) why initiatives and requests from Nata-Gweta are not funded.
ASSISTANT MINISTER OF AGRICULTURAL DEVELOPMENT AND FOOD SECURITY (MR MOLEBATSI): Ke a go dumedisa Mr Speaker, mo tshokologong eno, ke dumedisa bakaulengwe, ke dumedisa le ene Honourable Majaga.
(i) Mr Speaker, lenaneo la go agelela masimo la ISPAAD (Integrated Support Programme for Arable Agriculture Development) le na le makalana a le mararo; go ka agelewa masimo a balemi ba ikopantse, mo gotweng cluster fencing, go ka agelelwa balemi gongwe ba ikopantse ba ka nna babedi/bararo mo gotweng group fencing, kana go ka agelelwa molemi a le mongwefela, mo gotweng individual fencing.
Maikaelelo Mr Speaker, a go agelela masimo ke go dira gore leruo le diphologolo tsa naga di se ka tsa ja kana tsa senya temo ya batho.

Mr Speaker, fa go dirwa tiro e ya go agelela, go tlhama ditiro, batho ba ba tlaabong ba le gone mo masimong one ao kana mo tikologong, ba bona ditiro, fa gongwe go dirisiwe le ba Ipelegeng le balemi ka madi a ISPAAD.

(ii) Mr Speaker, batho ba ba ageletsweng masimo e bile a bereka mo Botswana ka bophara a 39.
Mr Speaker, dikopo kana ba ba ikopetseng ba 43 mme mo go bone jaaka ke ne ke buile, 39 ke yone e santseng e bereka, tse four di santse di le mo lenaneong la gore go tsweletse go a agelelwa.

(iii) Mr Speaker, masimo a approved kwa Nata-Gweta; cluster fences a mararo fela mme ga gona ape a a setseng a ageletswe.

Mr Speaker, kwa Nata- Gweta masimo a a approved kana a a lemilweng, ga a ka a dirwa ka gore go ne go sena madi.
Gape lenaneo le ne le le in a transitional period go tswa kwa lenaneong le re le itseng la ISPAAD go tsena kwa go le lesha le le tlaa buiwang e ntse e le la ISPAAD, gongwe ka leina le sele mo nakong e e sa fediseng pelo.

Ke a go leboga Mr Speaker.

MR MAJAGA: Thank you Mr Speaker and thank Honourable Minister Molebatsi.

Ke a go utlwa Tona.
Ke a go utlwa Tona.

Ke ne ke re gongwe motho a batle gore o tlhalose gore mme ka ba ne ba kopile ba se ka ba bona dithuso, a go tlaa re ba ikopele gape mo the transition ya lenaneo le lesha la ISPAAD or whatever, kana ba tlaa dirisa dikopo tsone tsele tse di awaiting for funding gore ba ka thusiwa ke ba lephata?

Ya bobedi; re a le itse bangwe ba lona jaaka wena le bo Mma Manake jalojalo, le batla dilo di direga ka bofefo jo le bo dirang.
A mme ga o bone gore le lephata, gongwe mo mafelong a mangwe ka bontsi mo lefatsheng la Botswana le dikgaolo dingwe tse di tshwanang le ya me, tse o fitlhelang di na le diphologolo di tshwenya di senyetsa batho, ke eng le sa ikopanye le Lephata la Tourism la ga Mme Mma Kereng jaaka kwa bo Sepako, Maposa, Gweta le Mannoxai?

O fitlhela e le gore those ke ditsela tsa diphologolo go ya kwa nokeng mme masimo a ka fa.

Gongwe le thusane go tlisa solars gore ba thusege batho ba Modimo ba kgone go ka lema.
Fa go ka nna jalo, le lona le le lephata e re batho ba iteka, ba ikgobokantse, le tsamaye le identify gongwe ke kwa bo Maun jalojalo ka gore mafelo ga a tshwane mme a tsamaya a ntse a tshwana jaaka go dirilwe kwa Nata.

Re baleminyana ba ba botlana ba ...(Inaudible)… le bone ba kgone go thusega le two ministries.

A ga o bone go ka nna molemo?


E nngwe ke yone ya gore a jaaka le le lephata jaana, how frequent do you go around lefatshe lotlhe la Botswana le ntse le tlhola these cluster fencing, le go bona gore tse di tlhokomelesegang ke dife jalojalo gore bangwe ba ka ya to benchmark mo go tse dingwe jaaka Batswana ba Kgaolo ya me ya Nata-Gweta, ba na le bothata ba ise ba bone thuso e e ntseng jalo Morena?

Ke a leboga Tona.
Ke a leboga Tona.

1 Hansard No 205Monday 14th February, 2022QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER MR MOLEBATSI: Mr Speaker, le fa nne mokaulengwe a ne a kgaoga, ke dumela gore ke mo utlwile.

Ya ntlha Mr Speaker, o ne a bua gore a batho ba ba ikopetseng bao ba ise ba thusiwe gompieno mme ba le approved, a ba tlaa fetisetswa kwa lenaneong le lesha?

Go ntse fela jalo rra, ke dumela gore ga go ka ke ga boela kwa morago gore ba tle go ikopela gape.
Ga se mo Nata fela, le kwa mafelong a mangwe kwa bo Mmadinare go ntse fela jalo, batho bangwe ba ne ba setse ba atumetse thata gore ba ka thusiwa.

Kana go fetola ke go tlhabolola lenaneo le le ntseng le le teng fela, ga se go le nyeletsa gotlhelele.

Ya bobedi tota e ne e se potso, e ne e le kgakololo gore lephata la rona le lephata la ga Tona Kereng a bereke mmogo gore a kgone go thusa batho.
Kana re rile re Goromente a le mongwefela, ga ke bone go na le matsapa mangwe a gore go ka thulwana ditlhogo mme go diragala fela jalo gompieno.

Gongwe jaaka o ne o bua, re tle re nne fa fatshe re bone specifics gore re ka tsena jang.

Ya boraro le yone e ne e le kgakololo mokaulengwe.

Ga se potso ke kgakololo, ke dumalana le wena gore tshwaragano e ka dirwa, re Goromente a le mongwefela.

Ke a leboga.

MR SPEAKER (MR SKELEMANI): Honourable Regoeng!

gongwe le leina, le ka nna a se ka la bitswa ISPAAD.
Ke solofetsa gore ka nako e khutshwane; ga ke ka ke ka go neela malatsi, gone go batla ke ya go tlhola, mme fela ke ka go solofetsa gore re tsamaya kgakala tota, re setse re feditse tiro ya teng.

Ka nako e khutswhane, re tlaa boela kwa bathong.

Fa ba ne ba emisitse jaaka o ne o bua, e ne e le gone gore madi a ne a fedile.

Kana segajaja se ne sa re direla mathata, re a ne re adima madi kwa le kwa.

Ga se gore ga ba ka ke ba thusiwa, ba tlaa thusiwa.

Ke a leboga motlotlegi.


MR SPEAKER: Honourable Regoeng, ba go konopile Mokwena.

…Silence… HONOURABLE MEMBER: Mo tlole o supe ba ba tlhoafetseng.

MR SPEAKER: O tlhoafetse.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Supa nna Mr Speaker.

MR SPEAKER: Ga ke mmone jaanong.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ee supa nna.

MR SPEAKER: Ka go reng?

...Silence...

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ka gore ga o mmone.

MR SPEAKER: Honourable Regoeng, unmute yourself, ga o utlwale.

Ke a bona gore oa bua mme ga o utlwale.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: O tsweletse o a bua.


MR SPEAKER: Ee, mme ga a utlwale.

DR TSHABANG: Thank you Mr Speaker.

Ya me e khutshwane fela Rre Molebatsi.

Kana information that we get from the officers kwa dikgaolong, ba tlhalosa fela ba papametse gore lenaneo le emisitswe, ga go na madi.

A mme o a tlhomamisa gore tota information e e correct, ke yone that you provide gore tota ga le a le emisa, you are transforming it, mme in the meantime batho bone ba tlaabo ba ntse ba eme fela?
Le ya to transform lebaka le le kae gape; kana gompieno it has been two to three years le ntse le bua ka transformation?

Thank you Mr Speaker.

MR MOLEBATSI: Boammaaruri ke gore lenaneo le a tlhabololwa.

Gongwe tlhaloso e ba neng ba e bua ke gore ee, kwa re tswang re ne ra emisa, mme re tla ka lenaneo le le tlhabologileng jaanong.

Jaaka ke ne ke bua, MR REGOENG: Supplementary.

Thank you very much, ke ne ke na le problem.


Tona kana lenaneo le jaaka fa o bua jaana, maikaelelo a lone ke dumela gore e ne e le go ntsha dijo.

Jaanong fa o kare go bonya jaana, tota go diragala ka tsela e e ntseng jang?

A ga se gore maikalelo a Puso jaanong a gore re oketse …(inaudible)… ke lona le a busetsang kwa morago?

Ke potso ya ntlha.
Ke potso ya ntlha.

Ya bobedi ke gone gore, information e o e fiwang rraetsho, a tota mme o bolelela ruri ke yone e re e fiwang ka gore ke kile ka sala kgang e morago, mme dipalo tse ke neng ke di fiwa, di ne di farologana fela thata le tse o di re bolelelang gompieno?

Jaanong ke re gongwe o boele kwa morago o ye go tlhomamisa dipalo tseo gore a tota di boammaaruri, le re fa dipalo tsa boammaaruri, kana ke bone ba mphileng tse e seng boammaaruri.

Ke a leboga.

MR MOLEBATSI: Ke a go leboga Mr Speaker.


Ke simolole ka e a reng go bonya, ee ke dumelana le wena go bonya, ga re a kgona gore to fund dikopo tsotlhe tse 2 Hansard No 205Monday 14th February, 2022QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER di neng di tlile ka letlhoko la madi.

Ke dumela gore motlotlegi o a itse, o ka ntsha bosupi jwa gore re ne ra nna problem e tona ya bolwetse, mme gone go raya gore re tswa mo budgets, re tsaya kwa le kwa, mme le gone kwa lephateng, kwa ISPAAD go diragetse fela jalo.
Ya dipalo rra, mma ke di boelele.

Ga ke itse gore o na le dife, nna ke na le tse ke reng the number of cluster fences that are complete and functional in Botswana are 39.

The number of requests that we have approved and funded are 43 of which 39 are complete and functional.

E nngwe ke the number of cluster fences on the Nata- Gweta Constituency; they are three, and none has been fenced.

Ke tsone dipalo tse ke nang le tsone, ga ke itse gore wena o na le dife mme re ka tla ra bona.
Dipalo tsa teng di supa gore kwa Central di 17, Southern - 6, Kweneng - 5, North West - 4, North East - 3, Kgatleng - 2, South East - 2 mme gotlhe go dira 39 ene yo ke mmuang.

Ke tsone dipalo tse ke nang le tsone.

Ke a leboga.
PROGRESSION OF ROAD ENGINEERS MR M. I. MOSWAANE (FRANCISTOWN WEST): asked the Minister of Transport and Communications to state: (i) the number of Roads Engineers on C1 salary scale at the ministry; (ii) the number of vacant posts of Senior Roads Engineer II, D4 salary scale; (iii) the longest serving Roads Engineer I on C1 salary scale and the reasons why the engineer could not progress to D4 salary scale; (iv) if he is aware that the ministry is losing engineers because of lack of progression; and (v) if he has ever considered and compared how engineers employed at the Ministry of Local Government and Rural Development progress to higher salary scales, and if there is a difference, why the discrepancy.
OF TRANSPORT AND MINISTER COMMUNICATIONS (MR SEGOKGO): Ke a leboga Mr Speaker, ke a dumedisa.

Nte ke tsene mo potsong ya ga Honourable Moswaane.

(ii) There are no vacant positions of Senior Roads Engineer on D4 salary scale.

(iii) Mr Speaker, the period of the longest serving Roads Engineer on C1 salary scale is 10 years.

Reasons for lack of progression beyond C1 scale is primarily attributed to the unavailability of suitable vacant positions.
With respect to the individual in question, the main reasons for lack of progression to D4 salary scale is because he has been outperformed by others, especially that D4 positions are limited.

(iv) Mr Speaker, it may not be fair to attribute movement of staff from my ministry to other places for lack of progression unless such an analysis have been made.

In any case, personnel would usually change their places of work for various reasons.
(v) Mr Speaker, I am not aware of differences in progression between Central and Local Government Roads Engineers.

Tota ke yone karabo Mr Speaker.

MR MOSWAANE: Supplementary.

Thank you Mr Speaker.

Ke ne ke re ke botse Tona gore diphatlha tse a reng they are not vacant, fa a gakologelwa ba ka tswa ba di thibile leng ka gore di kile tsa tsaya lebaka di le vacant.

Ke re a ntlhalosetse gone foo.


Le gone gore ka gore ke one Government, ke eng a ne a sa dire dipatlisiso go tlisa karabo e e pope gona le go tshaba go araba a re go tlaabo go sa mo lebana gore a ka tshwantshanya maphata a mabedi?

Thank you so much.

MR SEGOKGO: Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

Ga ke na karabo ya gore re ne ra thiba these vacancies leng Mr Speaker.

Karabo ya me fela ke gore gone mme ga re na diphatlha tseo, ke ka mmatlela gore re ne ra di thiba leng.
E nngwe, ga ke a re ga go maleba kana sepe jaaka a ne a bolela sa gore ke ka tshwantshanya, ga ke itse fa go na le dipharologanyo Mr Speaker.

Go ntse fela jalo, se se teng e bile tota potso e, ke e ke kileng ka e araba I think sometime in August, e botswa ke Dr Gobotswang.

Karabo eo e ntse ga e ise e fetoge sir.

PARR’S HALT/MAKWATE/SHAKWE ROADS (i) Mr Speaker, currently there are 27 Roads Engineers on C1 salary scale.
MR Y. BOKO (MAHALAPYE EAST): asked the Minister of Transport and Communications to state: 3 Hansard No 205Monday 14th February, 2022QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER (i) if he is aware that the Parr’s Halt/Makwate/ Machaneng and Parr’s Halt/Makwate/Shakwe Roads are key routes to connecting tourism destinations to the neighbouring Republic of South Africa; and if so, (ii) when these strategic roads will be tarred.

OF MINISTER AND COMMUNICATIONS (MR SEGOKGO): Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.
TRANSPORT (i) Mr Speaker, my ministry is aware that Parr’s Halt/ Makwate/Machaneng and Parr’s Halt/ Makwate/ Shakwe Road facilitate trade through movements of goods and services between Botswana and South Africa which by extension facilitate tourism.

(ii) Mr Speaker, it must be noted that upgrading of Makwate/Machaneng road to a bitumen standard was completed in December 2020.
However, my ministry does not have plans to upgrade the sections of Parr’s Halt to Makwate and Makwate to Shakwe as they are not currently included in the National Development Plan (NDP) 11.

My ministry will consider including these sections in NDP 12.

Parr’s Halt/Makwate/Shakwe is currently being graded quarterly, and it was last graded on 5th February 2022.

The plan going forward is to engage a contractor to carry out dry grading twice a month for a year.
The tender for the project is currently at the final stage of adjudication.

Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

MR BOKO: Supplementary.

Thank you.

Honourable Minister, a mme o aware gore Parrs’ Halt-Makwate- Shakwe road was supposed to have been tarred ka National Development Plan (NDP) 10?

Everything was done, that is in relation to the design stage.

Number two, ba ne ba kgona to procure lentswe la teng la concrete.

They identified some borrow pits and soil tests were done.
Batho ba ba nnang mabapi teng, ba ne ba bolelelwa gore ba se ka ba nama ba aga pele fa tsela e neng e feta teng.

Madi a a neng a dirisitswe a ne a le mantsi for purposes ya go pega tender for the 44 kilometer road.

Sa bofelo ke gore a mme o a lemoga gore ke border e e critical ka gore e ka dirwa commercial to reduce congestion kwa Martin’s Drift?

Ke ne ke batla go botsa tse pedi fela di se ka tsa nna dintsi thata.
I am saying this because the border is the shortest route from Pretoria to central Botswana, o tswa fela jaana, o 4 ntse o ya kwa bo Kazungula.

E ka sologela lefatshe la rona mosola fela thata, e ka thusa go fokotsa traffic kwa border ya rona le Zambia gareng ga tse dingwe.

MR SEGOKGO: Thank you Mr Speaker.

Parrs’Halt/ Makwate/Shakwe; I am not aware actually gore it was in NDP 10, but ga ke ne ke dispute that.

The details that you provide, ga ke a di tshola, they are details that I would wish to verify.
Jaanong in respect of your second question sir, ya gore am I aware gore e ka nna a commercial border post, I do believe gore any border post potentially could be a commercial border post.

Kana dilo tse ke ditumalano tsa mafatshe a mabedi, so really it is something se ke tsayang gore would be subject to agreement between us and South Africa go ka dira jalo.

I do not doubt gore fa e le gore it is made a commercial border post that it would attract traffic.
Ga ke itse gore necessarily the ones tse di tswang from the bridge would opt for using that border as opposed to e e kwa Martin’s Drift.

Yes, if it is a commercial border post, it becomes available then to the traffic that is carrying freight.

Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.
PARLIAMENTARY MOTION ON TRANSPORTATION OF GOODS MR T. LETSHOLO (KANYE NORTH): asked the Minister of Transport and Communications: (i) to apprise this Honourable House on the implementation of the Parliamentary Motion to reserve transportation of goods within Botswana to citizens and 100 per cent citizen owned companies; and (ii) to explain the implication of South Africa’s decision to prohibit foreigners with foreign permits and licenses to drive transportation trucks in the Republic of South Africa.
OF MINISTER AND COMMUNICATIONS (MR SEGOKGO): Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

TRANSPORT (i) Mr Speaker, my ministry, through the Department of Road Transport and Safety, is mandated to issue all types of road transport permits including freight transport permits.

Individual citizens and 100 per cent citizen-owned companies can apply for permits to transport goods in line with the provisions of the Road Transport (Permits) Act.
Hansard No 205Monday 14th February, 2022QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER Mr Speaker, I wish to appraise this Honourable House that, as I stated in my response to the Honourable Member’s part of the Motion the year before last year, requesting that this Honourable House “resolves that the local distribution, courier and transportation of goods in Botswana be reserved for 100 per cent citizen owned companies, ” I am pleased to share that my ministry has already forwarded to Attorney General’s Chambers (AGCs) a draft for the review of Road Transport (Permits) Act with the provision for Cabotage and Third Country Rule as promised.
yone, go fitlhelela gompieno, lephata le dirile eng?

What specific actions have been done or executed to date?

Sa bobedi ke kope gore a re tlhalosetse gore ka o bua ka go buisana le batsayakarolo ba bangwe, dipuisano tsa bone di ya go tsaya lebaka le le kae?

Re solofele gore tshwetso ya Palamente e tlaabo e diragaditswe ka nako efe?

La bofelo Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo, a re tlhalosetse gore totatota kwa ntleng ga go buisana le batsayakarolo, se se tlhokafalang gore se dirwe ke eng?
What actions do they need to undertake for this Motion to be implemented in its fullest?

Ke a leboga.

Mr Speaker, with regard to policy on reservation of the transportation of goods within Botswana to citizens and 100 per cent citizen owned companies, my ministry and that of Investment, Trade and Industry are yet to consult on the matter, so that in implementing the Motion, we do not conflict any regional trade Agreement/Protocol that Botswana may have ratified.
(ii) Mr Speaker, with respect to Honourable Member’s second question, I would like to indicate that South Africa is a sovereign state with jurisdiction to enact laws and regulations from time to time to govern its local transport industry in the manner it deems fit and desirable within its borders.
As such, Botswana as a neighbour to South Africa, we are limited in terms of influencing how they would prefer to regulate their local transport industry, particularly with respect to the employment of truck drivers.
Mr Speaker, I wish to also share with this Honourable House that, as far as we are concerned, Government does not have the number of Batswana citizens permanently employed in the local trucking industry in South Africa save to say only those who transport goods on transit and loading and off-loading basis which in my view will not be affected by the development in South Africa.
However, should there be any Batswana citizens employed as resident truck drivers in South Africa, they would be very few and by implication, it would mean they would lose their employment, following the decision to prohibit foreigners with foreign permits and licences to drive transportation trucks in the Republic of South Africa and the impact on the Batswana drivers will be minimal.

I thank you Mr Speaker.

MR SEGOKGO: Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.


Tota ya ntlha ke jaaka ke ne ke leka go tlhalosa gore re ne re ntse re bereka mo paakanyong ya molao, mme re isa kwa AGCs.

Jaanong fa gongwe koo, ke gone fa re nnang le go nna le tiego, mme ke sa batle go supa bone fela, ke bone tiego e nnileng teng ka gore ba lebagane le melao e mentsi thata jaaka o bona go ntse go na le melao e e ntseng e feta mo Palamenteng.
Gore go ya go tsaya lebaka le le kae gore re wetse, tota ga ke na karabo e ke ka go fang letsatsi ke re re ya go wetsa mo letsatsing le Honourable Letsholo.

Ga ke tshware sentle potso ya gago ya boraro, ke kopa gore o nkgakolole mo go yone gore ke tle ke e tsibogele Honourable Letsholo.

MR LETSHOLO: Thank you Honourable Speaker.

I know gore gongwe ga a na gore a re nako o ka tsaya e e kae, but what is his target date for the ultimate implementation of the Motion?
Secondly, what specific actions need to happen between now and that target date?

If you are implementing something like this, you need some sort of a project plan, you know you need to do a, b, c, d, e, for the Motion to be implemented.

What are those things and when are they going to be completed so that we can expect the implementation?
MR SEGOKGO: In reality tota Honourable Letsholo ke bua boammaaruri, ga ke na that target date as yet ka gore ke ne ke eletsa gore se re se kopileng kwa AGs, se boe kwa go bone re tle re se beye sentle fa pele ga Khuduthamaga, e bo e le gone go ka tsewang ditshwetso tsa gore re sutelela kwa pele ka dipaakanyo tseo tsa molao.

Fa ke tswa koo, ke yone nako e ke tlaabong jaanong ke le mo seemong se ke bonang ke gololesegile gore ke tle ke kgone go wetsa kopo e ya Palamente.

MR LETSHOLO: Supplementary.


Ke a leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo.

Gongwe Tona a re tlhalosetse gore fa tshwetso ya Ntlo e e sa bolo go tsewa ka ngwaga wa 2020, go simolola nako e tshwetso e e tserweng ka Ke tsaya gore gongwe ga go fe the full detail ya gore ke tlaa wetsa leng in the plans, mme karabo e ke go e tsholetseng mo nakong ya gompieno, e ntse jalo Honourable Member.

Ke wetse gone foo.

5 Hansard No 205Monday 14th February, 2022QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER DR GOBOTSWANG: Supplementary.
Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

Ke batla go botsa Tona gore a mme ba a lemoga gore ditsamaiso tse di leng teng gompieno, di beile bakgweetsi ba Botswana ba diteraka le batho ba ba gwebang ka diteraka ka fa mosing?

A le a lemoga gore di ba beile ka fa mosing?


Keletso ke gore, fa teraka e tswa kwa South Africa e rwele dithoto, a bo gongwe e tsena at the border, e bo e kwala gore e ya go felela, let say kwa Taung kwa Bolux, e bo e le gore go tswa foo, ga re solofele gore go bo gotwe jaanong e isitse dithoto tse dingwe kwa Francistown.

Tsholofelo ke gore e bo dithoto tseo jaanong di tsewa ke Batswana di ya kwa mafelong a mangwe.
A selo se o raya gore se santse se tsweletse, mo teraka ya South Africa e ka tswa mono e bo e tsamaya mafelo a a farologaneng beyond the destination e a e kwadileng at the border?

Potso ya bobedi is with respect to permits, Professional Driving Permits (PrDPs).

A mo Botswana Tona, le santse le neela batswakwa licences tsa go kgweetsa diteraka, gompieno fa re leng teng?
Fa e le gore le tsweletse ka go neela batswakwa licences tsa go kgweetsa diteraka mo Botswana, tsa PrDPs, lebaka ke eng le le dirang gore mo dingwageng tse di kana Botswana e ipusa, e bo re santse re dumela gore ga gona bakgweetsi ba diteraka, a bo re tswelela re ka neela bakgweetsi ba mafatshe a sele PrDPs?

Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

MR SEGOKGO: Ke a leboga Dr Gobotswang.

Mo go ya ntlha gore a re lemoga gore go baya Batswana ka fa mosing, nnyaa re sale re amogetse.
Tota le go amogela Motion ke gone gore this thing ya gore gongwe ba baya dithoto tse dingwe mo Gaborone ba fetela kwa bo Francistown ka tse dingwe, go baya Batswana ka fa mosing, go boammaaruri.

Jaaka ke bua, gone re batla go dira paakanyo eo mo molaong gore e re thuse gore golo mo re go tswalele, go se ka ga nna jalo, ga diragala jalo.
Ya bobedi e ya PrDPs, ga go na phetogo e re e dirileng mo nakong e. Le fa tota ke ka se ke ke go reye ke re ke potso e ke neng ke e ipaakanyeditse sentle, se ke ka go se tlhalosetsang ke gore, kana mo gongwe ga se go supa fela gore kana ga gona bakgweetsi ba Batswana ba ba itseng go ka kgweetsa diteraka tsa mokgwa oo.
Mo gongwe gape ke gone fela keletso ya Batswana fa gongwe gore ba bangwe ga ba eletse go kgweeletsa ba tlola melelwane ya lefatshe le, go tlotlela gongwe kwa bo Afrika Borwa kana kwa mafatsheng a mangwe go ya go tsamaela le kwa bo Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC).

Seemo se ke sone se se amang gore fa gongwe re a bo re letla gore le batswakwa ba tshware permits 6 tsa golo mo, gore dikompone tse di tlaabong di le mo Botswana, di kgone gore ba nne le bakgweetsi ba ba yang mafelong a a ntseng jalo.
Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.
CONTRIBUTION OF MANUFACTURING SECTOR TO GDP MR T. B. LUCAS (BOBONONG): asked the Minister of Investment, Trade and Industry to state: (i) the contribution of the manufacturing sector to Gross Domestic Product (GDP) in the following years; 1980, 1990, 2000, 2010 and 2020; (ii) the targeted contribution of the sector to the economy in each year; (iii) how the performance of the manufacturing sector has been affected; (a) the country’s import bill; (b) levels of employment; (c) levels of industrialisation; and (iv) specific and new steps being undertaken to bolster the growth of the manufacturing sector in general and specifically in rural areas.
MINISTER OF FINANCE AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT (MS SERAME): Mr Speaker, good afternoon.

Mr Speaker, I do apologise, I understand Honourable Kgafela is travelling today.

Ke kopa gore ke fiwe nako ke ye go baakanya karabo.

Ke kopa later date.

Later Date.


ESP AND NDP 11 PROJECTS IN GABORONE BONNINGTON SOUTH MR C. GREEFF (GABORONE BONNINGTON SOUTH): asked the Minister of Local Government and Rural Development to apprise the Honourable House on which projects were carried out under the Economic Stimulus Programme (ESP) and the National Development Plan (NDP) 11 in the Gaborone Bonnington South Constituency.

OF MINISTER LOCAL ASSISTANT GOVERNMENT AND RURAL DEVELOPMENT (MR MODUKANELE): Good afternoon Mr Speaker.
Ke dumedise Mapalamente le ene Rre Greeff mong wa potso e e fa pele game.

Mr Speaker, there were no projects implemented under the ESP in Gaborone Bonnington South Constituency.

However, under Hansard No 205Monday 14th February, 2022QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER NDP 11, through co-funding with the World Bank, Gaborone Bonnington South benefitted from Urban Roads Infrastructure Projects which are ongoing.
The projects include; upgrading of road intersections along KT Motsete Drive, the Western Bypass, upgrading of Lobatse Road (Game City Circle) and Kudumatse Drive (Rainbow Circle).

These projects are implemented by Ministry of Transport and Communications in collaboration with my ministry, and are expected to be complete by next financial year, that is 2022/23.
Still under NDP 11 Mr Speaker, the constituency has benefited from construction of a new primary school in Phase 4 through the Economic Recovery and Transformation Plan (ERTP), the project has since commenced and progressing well.

It is expected to be completed by November of this year Mr Speaker.

I thank you.

MR GREEFF: No further question Mr Speaker.

Thank you.
Thank you.

YOUTH TRAINING IN LOBU FARM MR S. J. BROOKS (KGALAGADI SOUTH): asked the Minister of Youth Empowerment, Sport and Culture Development: (i) whether it would be beneficial to take youth for training at Lobu Farm in Khuis; if so, when can this commence; and (ii) when the youth of Lobu will be taken for Internship or Tirelo Setšhaba as was long requested by the manager of the farm.
OF MINISTER ASSISTANT YOUTH EMPOWERMENT, SPORT AND CULTURE DEVELOPMENT (MR BILLY): Ke leboge Mr Speaker gore o bo o mphile sebaka se go araba potso e. Ke leboge le mokaulengwe Rraetsho Mopalamente Brooks.

Ke boammaaruri go botlhokwa gore re ele tlhoko go rutuntsha banana, go ba fa kitso ya sennelaruri, segolo jang re lebeletse dikgang tse di amanang le leruo le le nnyennyane kana small stock.

Nna le Tona Rre Rakgare, re tseetse go rutuntsha banana kwa godimo fela thata.
It is a priority mo ministry wa rona.

Se sengwe ke supe fa re bona go le botlhokwa gore banana ba isiwe kwa Lobu, jaaka re tsweletse re ne ra dira mo ngwageng wa madi wa 2018/2019 go fitlhelela letsatsi leno, re ne ra isa banana ba le 807 ba ba yang go rutuntshiwa ka go tsamaisa lenaneo le la Youth Development Fund (YDF) kana go tsamaisa dikgwebo.

Re ne re ba tsaya mo Kweneng District, Southern District, South East, Boteti le Kgalagadi District.
Mo ngwageng wa madi wa 2020/21, ga re a kgona go isa bape ka lebaka la COVID-19, segajaja se se re wetseng.

Ka nako eo se ne se le bogale thata.

Ngwaga wa madi wa 2021/2022, re ikaeletse go isa banana ba le 62 mme ba tswa mo mafelong a a farologaneng, ba tswa mo Southern ba le 32, ba tswa mo Kgalagadi ba le 30, go ya go rutuntshiwa go tsamaisa dikgwebo jaaka ke tlhalositse.

E ntse e le mo ngwageng one o, budget ya rona ke P200.000.00.

Ba tlaabo ba rutuntshiwa kwa Lobu.


E e botsang ka Internship le Tirelo Setshaba, mo dibukeng tsa me ga go supafale fa ba management wa Lobu ba kile ba kopa maTirelo Setshaba, mme ba kile ba kopa ba Internship.

Ba Internship ga ba ise ba tsamaye, lebaka le letona e le lone gore ga go na boroko kwa Middlepits le kwa Khuis.

Internship tota e buletswe mongwe le mongwe who qualifies for Internship yone eo.

Ke a leboga.

MR BROOKS: Supplementary.

Thank you Mr Speaker.


Thank you Honourable Minister for that answer.

Ke go leboge fela for (i) jaaka fa o e arabile rraetsho, o e atolosa ka bokete jo bo kana.

Coming to the second one Mr Minister, o a bo o tlaa batla go nkutlwisa botlhoko, o bo o ntlhabisa ditlhong mo tshokologong eno, o itatola o bo o latofatsa kopo e e neng e kopilwe ke batho ba ba neng ba le fa pele ga ga Tona.

Procedure ke eng?
Procedure ke eng?

Are you aware the Minister once visited Lobu and gone koo, they submitted kopo ya bone verbally?

Banana ke ba lona, a ga le dire follow-ups?

Lona ka bo lona, le lemoge gore go tlhokafala kae kwa le ka batlelang banana diphatlha teng.

A ga le nke le tla ka kakanyo eo?

A ga le na thulaganyo ya gore le nne le karolo eo?

Fa e le gore Lobu Manager ga a le kwalela, lona le ba kwalele le ba reye le re, re na le batch e e kana ya bana, maikaelelo ke gore re ba ise kwa go lona.
Sa bobedi, the Middlepits Cluster kwa go nang le Lobu Camp kana farm, a ga le bone go le botlhokwa gore le tsenye leitlho koo gore ke bafe ba ba batlang attachment?

Le bo le ba tsaya through office e e kwa Tsabong, le bo le ba isa gone koo go fokotsa go tsamaya ga bana mo mebileng le go tlhoka fa ba ka tshwarang teng rraetsho.

Ke a leboga.

7 Hansard No 205Monday 14th February, 2022QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER MR BILLY: Ke a go leboga mokaulengwe.
Bana ba Internship le ba Tirelo Setšhaba kwa re ba isang teng, go a bo go na le kopo ya ba ba tlhokang.

Maphata a a tlhokang ke one a re kopang gore re kopa dipalo di le kana.

Ke tsaya gore Honourable Member o a tlhaloganya sentle gore Internship le Tirelo Setšhaba go na le ka fa di farologanang ka teng.

Fa ba kopile Internship re ba fa Internship, fa ba kopile maTirelo Setšhaba re ba fa maTirelo Setšhaba.

Legale kgakololo ya gago rraetsho ke a e utlwa.


E tlaare re tswa fa, ka sekaseka gore letlhoko le ba le tlhokang thata ke la eng.

A ba santse ba batla maTirelo Setšhaba kana ba tsweletse ba ntse ba tlhokana le maInternship.

Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.


DENTAL FACILITY IN TONOTA CONSTITUENCY MR P. P. P. MOATLHODI (TONOTA): asked the Minister of Health and Wellness whether he is aware that the Tonota Constituency does not have a health facility that provides dental services; if so, to state plans to provide such services.

…Silence… MR SPEAKER: Minister, ke batla go go bona kana.

Minister Lelatisitswe, unmute yourself, o tswe kwa Zowa o tle kwano, unmute yourself.

…Silence… HONOURABLE MEMBER: Bitsa Technology (IT) e go thuse.
Information HONOURABLE MEMBER: A Honourable Dikoloti a arabe.

MR SPEAKER: IT people and Minister, ke bona letsogo la motho yo mongwe yo o bapileng le ene, a re o dira eng?

ASSISTANT MINISTER OF HEALTH AND WELLNESS (MR LELATISITSWE): Mr Speaker?

MR SPEAKER: Yes sir.

MR LELATISITSWE: You can hear me?

MR SPEAKER: Yes sir.

MR LELATISITSWE: Sorry for that, go na le mathatanyana a tsa maranyane.

Mr Speaker, ke supe jaana gore go boammaaruri re le lephata re a itse fa kwa Tonota re sena dental services.
Mr Speaker, re le lephata, clinic e ya Masedi re setse re bone space le staff has been identified go bona gore e tlaa nna le dithuso tsa dental, tsa go tlhatswa meno ka Setswana.

Se se leng teng, re setse re na le mathata a instruments tse di tona kana mo gotweng dental chair, x-ray machine le an autoclave.

Mr Speaker, re akantse gore mo ngwageng o o latelang wa madi o, fa e le gore a tlaa lekana, re bo re di reka, re baakanya clinic e, re e tsenya mo seemong.
Gompieno batho ba Tonota, services tse di tsamaelanang le go tlhatswa meno ba di tsaya kwa kokelong ya Jubilee mo Francistown.

Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

MR MOATLHODI: Supplementary.

Ke a go leboga Motlotlegi Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente.

Motlotlegi Rraetsho Mothusa Tona, fa o re o mo patlong ya madi mo nakong e, precisely which part of the coming financial year do you anticipate to help botsadi jwa Tonota?

MR LELATISITSWE: Thank you so much Mr Speaker.


Go leka go atolosa services tsa go tlhatswa meno mo lefatsheng le, go go golo fela thata.

Re le lephata, re setse re baakantse tsa theko, mo gotweng Invitation To Tender (ITT).

Re di isitse kwa Public Procurement and Asset Disposal Board (PPADB) for vetting.

Fa di tswa kwa, go ya go laola gore a madi a re nang le one a tlaa reka dental chairs tse di tlaa lekanang clinics tse re akantseng go atolosetsa service e kwa go tsone.
Ke sone se ke reng mo financial year e ya 2022/23.

Ke sone se ke sa batleng go rurifatsa jaana gore a ke ka re kamoso, Laboraro kana mo kgweding e e tlang.

Golo mo go tsaya nakonyana.

E tlaare go siame jaaka ke bua, madi a le teng, ke bolelele mokaulengwe ka ke ne ke ile kwa Tonota go bona seemo se batho ba Tonota ba leng mo go sone Mr Speaker.

Ke a leboga.

MR MANGWEGAPE-HEALY: Supplementary.

Thank you Mr Speaker.

Thank you for the question Honourable Moatlhodi and the answer Honourable Minister.
Honourable Minister, are you aware that kgang e ya didirisiwa tsa go tlhatswa meno kana go tlhokomela meno e tlhaela gongwe le gongwe le mo dipateleng tse di tona tota jaaka Princess Marina?

O fitlhela e le gore dentists all they do ke go ntsha meno.

Ga ba na the necessary equipments go dira anything beyond to just pull out teeth.

Fa motho a tlhoka root canal kana sepe fela kwa ntle ga gore leino le ntshiwe, dentist di teng, ba rutetswe tiro, mme ga ba equipment.
Are you aware gore it is a national problem?

Ke a leboga.

MR LELATISITSWE: Thank you so much Honourable Healy.

Ke supe gore go na le specialists care tse di dirwang ke bomaitseanape.

Specialists under the dental 8 Hansard No 205Monday 14th February, 2022QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER services tse di ntseng jalo gongwe ke tsone tse o buang ka tsone.

Generals tsa go tlhatswa meno, go bona gore a a bodile, tseo ke ka rurifatsa gore re a di dira.
Dental instruments di teng, le gone kwa Tonota kwa potso e lebaganeng le teng.

Ke buile gore dental instruments di teng tse di ka tlholang jalo, mathata ke tse di tona, mo gotweng capital equipment, mo go tshwanang le dental chairs, x-ray le tse o ka di dirisang.

Instruments tse di nnyennyane tse di dirisiwang, re setse re simolotse go baakanyetsa theko ya tsone.

Ke tsaya gore gongwe it will cover tse Motlotlegi Healy a buang ka tsone.

Ke a leboga.
Ke a leboga.

TABLING OF A PAPER The following paper was tabled: REPORT OF THE FINANCE AND ESTIMATES COMMITTEE ON THE ANALYSIS OF THE 2022/2023 BUDGET AS PRESENTED IN THE APPROPRIATION BILL (2022/2023) – FINANCIAL PAPER NO.

2 OF 2022/2023 (Chairperson – Standing Committee on Finance and Estimates) APPROPRIATION (2022/2023) BILL, 2022 (NO.

2 OF 2022) Second Reading (Resumed Debate) MR SPEAKER: Order!

Order!

Honourable Members, the debate on this Bill is resuming.
When the House adjourned last week Thursday, Honourable Kablay was on the floor debating and he was left with 10 minutes 24 seconds, Honourable Kablay.

(LETLHAKENG-LEPHEPHE): MR KABLAY Thank you Mr Speaker.

Ke ne ke re rraetsho tla ke tsweledise fa ke neng ke eme teng ka Labone mme ke itebaganye le budget ya rona gore jaaka ba e bitsa, ke cake ya setšhaba.

Re a itse gore cake ke selo se se monate jang.

Ga gona ope yo e leng gore fa go jewa cake o batla gore a tlhaelwe ka gore e monate.
Jaanong fa o bona re bua thata cake e ke gore gongwe e a bo e re tlhaetse re sa utlwa monate wa yone.

Mr Speaker, ke bue gore kana kgaolo ya rona ya Kweneng West ke yone e e humanegileng.

Fa e le gore kgaolo e e humanegileng jaana, o kare e a lebalwa gore go na le kgaolo gatwe Kweneng West, e humanegile, ga e na ditlhabololo, batho ba yone ga ba bereke, ba tshela ba thusiwa ke Goromente ka sengwe le sengwe.
Ke ne ke tsere gore gongwe e tlaa re re tsena mo kabong ya madi e bo e le gore kgaolo e rraetsho le yone fa go tla go tsenwa mo ditlhabololong ka ditlhabololo tsa yone ga di yo, e bo e le gore le yone e umakega thata mo ditlhabololong tsa lefatshe.

Fa o leba budgets tse di ntseng di feta, owaai!

ke go lela fela gore nnyaa, re batla se le se, ga gona sepe se e leng gore re a se bona.

Ga ke itse gore ka go reng Mr Speaker, kgaolo ya rona fa go tla go tsena mo ditlhabololong e bo e lebalwa.
Ke ipotsa gore fa ditlhabololo tsa yone di tsena kwa officers a go tsewa go bewa ka fa kana go a sugwasugwa go bo go tsenngwa mo dustbin?

Ga ke itse mme ke tsaya jalo ka gore ke sale ke tsena mo Palamenteng e ke ntse ke bua ka selo se le sengwefela ke ntse ke solofediwa mme go sena sepe se e leng gore se a diragala.
Ga ke itse gore a mo budget kana mo kabong ya madi, a ga gona selo se gotweng brought forward gore fa ditlhabololo di ne di sa dirwa ka 2018/2019, a fa re tsena kwa go 2020/2021, a ditlhabololo tseo ga di dirwe?

Ke sale ke lela ka sepatela Mr Speaker se se mo ditogamaanong.

Ga ke bue ka selo se seyong mo ditogamaanong, ke bua ka selo se se mo ditogamaanong.

Go sale gotwe sepatela sa Letlhakeng se tlaa dirwa mme gatwe ga gona madi.
Letsatsi le letsatsi ga gona madi mme mo dikgaolong tse dingwe ditlhabololo tsone di tsweletse go na le madi.

O ipotsa gore rona madi a tlaa bonala leng gore go dirwe sepatela ka gore sepatela ke selo se setona mo kgaolong ya rona?

Se ya go thusa batho mo kgaolong ya rona; kgaolo yotlhe ya Kweneng West e tlaabo e beile mo sepateleng se.

Jaanong letsatsi le letsatsi Mr Speaker, ga gona madi ga gona madi, ga ke itse gore gatwe madi a tlaa tla leng gore sepatela se se tle se dirwe?
Batho ba rona fa o ba raya o re ga gona madi, kana ba a bala Mr Speaker ka gore ke bana ba ba botlhale.

Ba go botsa gore, “Mopalamente mme ke eng kwa go dirwa mme wena o a re ga gona madi… HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification.

MR KABLAY: …kwa kgaolong ya gago mme mo dikgaolong tse dingwe go a dirwa?” I yield sir.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Thank you.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ke a leboga… HONOURABLE MEMBER: Honourable Kablay… ke ya ga mang ka gore re babedi?

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ke nna ke rileng clarification.


9 Hansard No 205Monday 14th February, 2022APPROPRIATION (2022/2023) BILL, 2022 (NO.

2 OF 2022) Second Reading (Resumed Debate) MR SPEAKER: Honourable Moswaane.

MR MOSWAANE: Thank you so much sir.

Ke ne ke re ke botse Honourable Kablay gore kana go na le dikgang tse di tleng di dire gore Puso e itshele moriti o tsididi jaaka o kile wa bitsa former President o re ke Jeso, wa gompieno o bo o mmitsa o re ke Modimo.
Dilo tse Kablay, ga o bone di ka go busetsa kwa morago mo kgaolong ya gago ka gore wena fa go tshwanetse gore ka State of the Nation Address (SONA) o bue maitshwenyego a kgaolo o nnela go boka dilo tse di seyong?

A ga o bone go le botoka gore o fetoge o emele Bakgalagadi kana batlhoki bale ba Modimo ka tlhoafalo gore lentswe la bone le utlwale mo Palamenteng?

Le nna ke a go tlatsa; kgaolo eo e lebetswe, ga e na le fa e le sepe se se leng teng.

Batho ba teng ba koma mmu malatsi otlhe.


Ga gona se ba tshelang ka sone.

A ga o bone go le botoka gore a ko o fetole the language until dilo di diragala mo kgaolong ya gago?

O tlogele go rapelela tse di sa rapelesegeng.

Thank you so much.

MR KABLAY: Ke a leboga sir, ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

Mo kgaolong e ke e emetseng re ne re solofetse gore go ya go agiwa sepatela, go ya go dirwa junior secondary kwa Ngware, go ya go nna le clinic kwa Boatlaname le Malwelwe.
Gape re ne re solofeditswe rank kwa Letlhakeng le cultural village kwa Diphuduhudu mme dilo tse Mr Speaker, le fa e le se le sengwefela go dirwa.

Ke ne ke kopa Mr Speaker gore ao!

Goromente o ke mo emetseng o batho ba kgaolo ya me ba mo tlhophileng, a o raya gore se le sengwefela sepatela bogolo; tse dingwe tse re bo re tlaa nna re bona madi fa a nna bonala gore e se ka ya nna tshootshoo fela?

Ke ya go raya batho ke reng?

A ke tlaa tsena jaaka ke ntse ke bo ke boa ke tswa gape jaaka ke tsene?
Mr Speaker, ke a go rapela rraetsho, a segolo go agiwe sepatela kwa Letlhakeng.

Tse four tse di setseng tse ka gore ke dingwe tse e leng gore ke ne ke kgaratlhile… Kgaolo ya me dilo tsa me e ne e le gore di ya go dirwa.

…(Inaudible)… di tswa mo kgaolong eo mme fela ka gore ke mo ga go a dirwa, go raya gore mme batho ba kgaolo e ke e emetseng ba a bona gore nnyaa, mme Kablay tota o ne a lekile, fa e ka bo e ne e le gore dilo tse di dirilwe ka nako, e ka bo e le gore kgaolo ya gagwe e a phatsima.
Jaanong ke ne ke kopa la bofelo Mr Speaker gore nnyaa, a rraetsho go dirwe sengwe ke se ka ka tswa fela.

Sa bofelo Mr Speaker, ke lebogela P10 million ka gore mo dikgaolong tsa rona ke selo se setona thata.

A a thusa rraetsho.

Senior Assistant Council Secretary (SACS) wa me, Rre Joseph Segopa o eme ka dinao.

Gompieno two classrooms o ke neng ke ntse ke lela ka ene kwa Maratswane, re e agile ka P10 million o.

Re tsentse motlakase kwa Makatako ka ene P10 million yo.
Ma P10 million a rraetsho a a thusa thata.

Re thusega thata mo dikgaolong.

Re nna re a emetse gore e re rona ba e leng gore e bile ditlhabololo di kwa morago e bo e le gore a ka re thusa gore fale le fale re thibe diphatlha le gore batho ba rona le bone ba tle ba kgone go bereka.

Mr Speaker, re lebogela maiteko a ga Goromente a gore re tshwanetse ra ema ka dinao mo temothuong.

Goromente o ntshitse rraetsho; o ntshitse mananeo le dithuso tsotlhe gore a re ithuse.
Jaanong Mr Speaker, ga ke itse gore go diragala eng, kgantele re a lela rraetsho gore e ka bo lefatshe la rona dijo e le gore di dintsi.

Gape re ntse re lela maloba e le gore ga gona makwele.

Rona mo dikgaolong tsa rona go na le batho ba ba tshelang ka makwele, ba a a reka ba bo ba a rekisa mo kgaolong… HONOURABLE MEMBER: Makwele ke eng?

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Dipotata.

MR KABLAY: Dipotata rraetsho.

Jaanong e ne e le gore ga gona le fa e le sepe.

Ga gona sepe kwa re di bonang teng, borders di tswetswe.
HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ga se dipotata, ke ditapole.

MR KABLAY: Ditapole rraetsho.

Jaanong re ne re kopa rraetsho gore a se e leng gore Goromente o batla gore Batswana ba se dire a re se emele ka dinao.

Ministry wa rona Mr Speaker o bonya.

Batho ba garona kwa Patlakwe kwa bo Rre Jacob Lebeko ba sale ba kopile gore ba tsenyediwe motlakase kwa masimong a bone, e seng setlhopha sa kgaolo e yotlhe.

Ba na le masimo le mmu o o siameng wa go ntsha dijo jaanong le a ba diegela Mr Speaker.
Ba sale ba kopile batho ba Modimo ngwaga e bile o a fela ba ntse ba kopile nnyaa, kamoso, tlaa le se, kamoso, ga gona se.

Kgantele batho ba tlaa itlhoboga.

Maiteko a rona re le Goromente a gore batho ba ntshe dijo e tlile go nna eng Mr Speaker?

Jaanong re ne re kopa rraetsho gore a go emiwe ka dinao.
A ba ministry ba eme ka dinao ba thuse Batswana, ka gore fa go dumalanwe sengwe jaaka ke ne ke bua re bolelela batho gore Goromente wa rona o a bo a ya go dira se, jaanong fa go nna bonya ba botsa rona gore Mopalamente a o ne o tshameka ka rona.

Jaanong a bo Rre Lebekwe at their clusters tsa bone ba thusiwe, ba tsenyediwe motlakase, ba ye go ntsha dijo.

Batswana ba tle go nna le dijo.

Corona e e re rutile dilo jaaka re ne re bua, go tlhaela mo go kanakana ga dijo go ...(inaudible)… ga nna botoka.
Jaanong ke sone se ke neng ke re ke fetse ka sone.

10 Hansard No 205Monday 14th February, 2022APPROPRIATION (2022/2023) BILL, 2022 (NO.

2 OF 2022) Second Reading (Resumed Debate) Sa bofelo ke rotloetse gore, a ba ga rona ba tseye mokento, a batho ba kgaolo ya rona ba tseye mokento.

Re a itse gore mongwe le mongwe o na le tumelo, mme kana Corona e yone bagaetsho e maswe.
Ke rotloetsa ba kgaolo e ke e emetseng ka gore ke utlwa gotwe go na le bangwe ba e leng gore ga ba batle go tsaya mokento ka tumelo ya bone, gore nnyaa Modimo le ene o batla re le sireletsa.

Sengwe le sengwe re se sireletse se se mo botshelong.

Jaanong re ne re re re kopa bagaetsho gore a re ye go tsaya mokento gore re tle re tshele sebaka se se leele.

Sa bofelo ke khumanego, go tlhoka ditiro mo kgaolong e ke e emetseng, gore ga go na le fa e le sepe se batho ba se dirang.
Jaanong a Goromente bagaetsho re eme ka dinao, gore kgaolo e jaaka ke ne ke bua ke kgaolo ya khumanego e e batlang affirmative action gongwe le gongwe.

Re se ka ra dira affirmative actions fela mo settlements.

Mo kgaolong ele a re nne le thulaganyo e e ntseng jalo, ka gore batho ba le rraetsho ba sale ba saletse kwa morago ka ditlhabololo, ka matshelo, jaanong ke nako ya gore Goromente wa me a eme ka dinao, a ba thuse, mme ba tle ba ithuse mo lehumeng le le kanakana.

I thank you Mr Speaker.


MR SPEAKER: Thank you Honourable Kablay.

Honourable Letsholo, followed by Honourable Hikuama.

MR LETSHOLO (KANYE NORTH): Thank you very much Mr Speaker for this opportunity to also contribute to this debate on the money for the financial year ending 31 March 2023.
Honourable Speaker, I would like to upfront just state that I also render my support for the Bill, which is presented under extremely difficult circumstances where the country is grappling with and has to navigate through reduced inflows against ever expanding societal and economic pressures.

Mr Speaker, lefatshe la rona le fa gare ga dinaka tsa nare.

Notwithstanding the tough environment our people’s need remain, our priorities and aspirations for the nation remain.
In Kanye North where I am from the people there are more than desperate on a number of issues.

These issues include; • Lenyora la ga Ngwaketse • Kgang ya sepatela sa Kanye • Dikokelwana, bogolo jang kwa kgaolong ya Moshana.

• e Tsela ya Magotlhwane-Kgomokasitwa- Tshweneyagae yone now it has become a regular issue on my debate because it is absolutely critical and now more than urgent.

• Internal roads le tsone di re apesitse kobo ka letshoba.
If I invite you to Kanye one of the days just go past the circle as you enter Kanye you will see an area there called Mhiko.

Mr Speaker when they go to work in the morning, driving out, fa ba boa in the afternoon there is a fence where there was a road, because there are no internal roads.

So that is just an example of the desperation that is there in so far as internal roads are concerned.
Honourable Speaker but I also just upfront want to take the opportunity to join my colleagues in congratulating Honourable Serame on her maiden Budget Speech as the Minister of Finance and Economic Development.

Honourable Speaker, I think that this is a privileged moment that forces us as a nation to pause and reflect with a strong sense of pride on the many brilliant women who have come even before Honourable Serame as Cabinet members.
Mr Speaker the likes of Dr Gaositwe Chiepe, Mme Kebatshabile Disele, Mme Lesego Motsumi, Dr Margaret Nasha, Mme Joy Phumaphi, Mme Moggie Mbaakanyi, Professor Sheila Tlou, Mme Pelonomi Venson, Mme Botlogile Tshireletso, Mme Dorcas Makgato, Mme Bogolo Kenewendo and numerous others.

I want to take this moment to pay tribute to these honourable women who have emphatically demonstrated the ability of women to serve as brilliantly as their male counterparts.
My humble appreciation and respect goes to these diligent forebearers of our shining democracy Honourable Speaker.

Mr Speaker, I also just want to take a moment to commend our Government for making Botswana the only country in southern Africa with a stable outlook from rating agencies.

I appreciate that the Financial Action Task Force (FATF) grey listing was removed in the latter part of 2021 and look forward to the European Union (EU) removing its blacklisting.
Honourable Speaker, I am also extremely proud that at least 80 per cent of Botswana’s eligible population has been vaccinated against COVID-19, rendering Botswana as one of the countries in southern Africa with the highest vaccination rates.

Mr Speaker, I have in the past joined the call for the dualling of the A1 road from Ramatlabama to Ramokgwebana, I further pleaded that it be named 11 Hansard No 205Monday 14th February, 2022APPROPRIATION (2022/2023) BILL, 2022 (NO.
2 OF 2022) Second Reading (Resumed Debate) after one of Botswana’s preeminent statesman, His Excellency the late President Q. K. J. Masire.

I was utterly pleased to hear the Minister confirm that the road will indeed be so developed and I am hopeful that the name will also be adopted.
Mr Speaker this honourable House will note that in so far as Former Presidents are concerned His Excellency the late President Sir Seretse Khama already has the honour of a highway named after him, this road being the Jwaneng-Kanye road, which is called the Sir Seretse Khama Highway.

Mr Speaker notwithstanding the illation over the A1 Highway I wish it to be known that other roads which may be considered to be small still also need attention and financial investment.
In Kanye North, as I mentioned a short while ago, the tarring of the Magotlhwane-Tshweneyagae road is much more than urgent.

There is also a huge desperation regarding internal roads across the constituency.

Jaaka ke ne ke bua ke re ba Mhiko bone ba mpeile lengole fela o sehubeng.

Honourable Speaker, I would like to confirm that I accept that COVID-19 has had a significant if not devastating impact on Botswana and indeed globally.
Notwithstanding, I am of the view that there is a likely overemphasis on COVID-19 that runs across both the budget strategy paper and the Budget Speech itself.

This I believe is an overinflating and speaks to inadequate research and data analysis by our own researchers, especially considering that even before the rollout of the vaccines Botswana had one of the lowest infection rates in the world at less than 10 per cent and an even lower death rate at about 0.1 per cent.
Mr Speaker, I therefore hazard that the real impact of COVID-19 came not from deaths or a decline in population, hospitalisation, or productivity, but from the effect of limited tourism and limited mining activities.

We have been affected by the global response to COVID-19 which curtailed international travel and diamond demand.

On this highlight is our narrow economic base as well as our total dependence on minerals and to a slightly lesser extent tourism.
The most important aspect of the Budget Speech from my perspective therefore was Section 13 which talked about the need for deep structural reform of the Botswana economy.

This was an issue even way before COVID-19 and remains an issue to date.

Honourable Speaker, it is evident now more than ever that our needs are growing and our budget is under significant pressure.
I agree with the Minister that as a matter of urgency we need to introduce robust and innovative ways to increase revenue and to reduce the expenditure bill.

Honourable Speaker, Government and all of us as the leadership of the country need to be exemplary on this call to reduce wasteful expenditure.

For illustration purposes the Executive needs to be seen to play an active role by amongst other things considering the use of one official vehicle instead of two.
Together with senior civil servants, they could stop the use of Government or official vehicles for picking up their children from school, for attending weddings or funerals.

Naturally Honourable Speaker, this would also reduce the overtime claimed by their drivers.

HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… MR LETSHOLO: Honourable Members of Parliament (MPs) also have the real opportunity of leading and demonstrating the country’s belt tightening initiative.
Parliament can be more efficient Mr Speaker, in the conduct of its business.

It is a little strange to me that all 44 members of the ruling party in Parliament get an opportunity to debate for 45 minutes each and for a total of 33 hours Mr Speaker, a State of the Nation Address (SONA) that was delivered by the leader of our party, when we naturally are aligned and agree with his report back.

This Mr Speaker, also apply to other Government Business and Bills.
I cannot help but wonder, what if the Delimitation Commission increases the number of constituencies and MPs, even more time will go into this, attracting increased sitting allowances and other associated expenditure.

This Mr Speaker, to me seems inefficient and is incongruent with the spirit of reducing costs.
Honourable Speaker, on this one I stand to be corrected but my understanding is that in other countries such as the neighbouring county of South Africa, the ruling party MPs do not respond to the SONA, only a limited number of opposition MPs respond to the SONA and then the President respond to their debate.

This I think is efficient and is worthy of emulation in the spirit of reducing costs.
Honourable Speaker, just as a last point of illustration on this point, is that we all remembered the public outcry after MPs lived at Avani Hotel in Gaborone, while their official residences were being refurbished.

This was 12 Hansard No 205Monday 14th February, 2022APPROPRIATION (2022/2023) BILL, 2022 (NO.
2 OF 2022) Second Reading (Resumed Debate) inevitable Honourable Speaker, but it is not clear why the residences must be refurbished every five years, while MPs get to stay in hotel rooms that have slept different people for more than five years, and the rooms themselves have not been refurbished for more than 10 years.

In the same way Honourable Speaker, that these hotels carry out their maintenance on an ongoing basis and without closing shop.
I suggest that Parliament embarks on a regular and ongoing maintenance of the Parliamentary apartments so that the need for hotel accommodation is eliminated.

Again, all just in the spirit of saving costs.

Mr Speaker, as an answer to the challenge of increasing Government revenue streams, the Budget Speech and the Budget Strategy Paper talk of taxing Batswana even more through increased tax collection and the tax net and revision of user fees and service charges.
Honourable Speaker, taxing Batswana more and mortgaging our children’s future by taking on more debt is just untenable.

Batswana are already overburdened with new taxes, levies and cost of services introduced over the last two years.

Yes, we need more revenue but we cannot keep taxing Batswana as a means to grow revenue.

It is unfair on our citizens Mr Speaker.


In fact, these actions have resulted according to what the Minister said in inflation going over the threshold prescribed by the Bank of Botswana, that of 3 to 6 per cent for inflation, reaching about 8.7 per cent.

So ironically Mr Speaker, Government policies have resulted in the Government violating its own policies.

This I think is tragic.


Mr Speaker, notwithstanding, as a way for Government to increase its revenue claims, one cannot help but wonder why is Government not taking up the 15 per cent “right of first refusal” for every mining venture in Botswana?

Honourable Speaker, we declined to take up 15 per cent of Lucara and Khoemacau!

Yet the Budget Strategy Paper talks about how lucrative these mining ventures are, especially Khoemacau.
If we owned even 15 per cent of these mines Mr Speaker, we would have had at least two more Debswanas on our books, all pumping in revenue.

Honourable Speaker, another opportunity to increase Government revenue lies in urgent and long overdue reforms in the road sector.

I am delighted to have heard the Minister earlier talking about revising the Road Traffic Act.

Mr Speaker, our investment in our road networks such as the Trans-Kalahari highway must be met with a stronger return on that investment.
The majority of the trucks on the Trans-Kalahari Highway Honourable Speaker, I believe more than 90 per cent of those from Lobatse Pioneer Gate straight to Mamuno Border Gate are Namibian and South African trucks, yet we get very little by way of fees from them.

Botswana Mr Speaker, is the cheapest country in the SADC region for road fees with respect to foreign goods trucks.
To illustrate the point, on average, for every foreign truck that is charged P500 in Botswana, a foreign registered truck will be charged approximately P15 000 in the Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC), P13 000 in Zambia, P5000 in Zimbabwe and P2000 in Namibia.

I therefore suggest Mr Speaker, an immediate review of the Botswana rates in order to increase Government revenues to contribute to cost recovery and continue to enable ongoing roads infrastructure maintenance.
other nations Honourable Speaker, including neighbouring countries have achieved what I am proposing by transitioning from Department of Roads into Roads Agencies or Roads Boards.

The more commonly known one in our region is the South African National Roads Agency SOC Ltd, in short, SANRAL.

It has been set up as a state-owned entity responsible for the management, maintenance and development of South Africa National Road Network.
On this basis Mr Speaker, I then propose that as a matter of urgency, we evolve the Department of Roads into a Roads Agency similar to SANRAL, through which we can reduce the burden on the national fiscus of roads construction and maintenance through increased and modern collections.
The House will remember Honourable Speaker, that many years ago and for similar reasons, what I believe used to be called the Department of Taxes and Exercise, evolved to what is now called the Botswana Unified Revenue Service (BURS) and this resulted in improved tax collection efficiencies and increased revenue for Government.
Mr Speaker, it is commendable to hear that agreements have been concluded for power generation projects to be implemented in the current year using the PPP (Public Private Partnership) model.

Private Finance and Development Agency Finance is in support of this Honourable Speaker, and we need to jump into the clean energy bandwagon and benefit more before fatigue catches up with the world and something else.
The Botswana Energy Regulatory Authority (BERA) Mr Speaker, should be at the forefront of this development and liberalise the energy sector.

BERA’s role cannot, and 13 Hansard No 205Monday 14th February, 2022APPROPRIATION (2022/2023) BILL, 2022 (NO.

2 OF 2022) Second Reading (Resumed Debate) should not be to protect the Botswana Power Corporation (BPC).

As I said in my response to the Budget Speech in the year 2020 Mr Speaker, and I quote, “BPC monopoly hurts consumers.
We are beholden to BPC standards, for example power outages and more recently price hikes.

There is no option to opt out and use other vendors as none exist at the moment.

BPC must face competition to stand or fall on the basis of their product and services.” Mr Speaker, Members will recall that in the early stages of the development of the telecommunications industry, Government seems to be focused on protecting Botswana Telecommunication Corporation (BTC).
When it eventually dawned on Government to allow the industry to develop, Government then enabled other operators to use the BTC backbone through Botswana Fibre Networks (BoFiNet) at a cost of course.

BERA needs to do the same and push for the liberalisation of the energy sector by enabling independent power producers to use the current BPC backbone, again at a cost which will be regulated by BERA.
In that context Honourable Speaker, BERA ought to already immediately desist from empowering BPC to the disadvantage of other producers.

Why should BPC be handling the tenders for power purchase agreements for solar energy?

BPC Mr Speaker, is a competitor to the solar energy producers, just like in the past when you look at BTC, it was seen as the competitor and it is still a competitor to Mascom and Orange.
Similarly Mr Speaker, and on this same note, I heard the Minister of Mineral Resources, Green Technology and Energy Security on radio recently, essentially he is facilitating and justifying price increases of electricity by BERA and BPC.

Mr Speaker, I hold a slightly different view on this one.

I think the Minister’s primary role ought to be to enable affordable energy for citizens, affordable electricity for Batswana.

Honourable Speaker, affordable energy will enable stronger economic activity.
The Minister does not have to protect BPC; he must protect the ordinary Motswana.

He must guard and protect the cost of electricity to the consumer at all cost, of course in a sustainable manner that also ensures consistency of supply.

The continuous price increases are undesirable, and seem to merely serve the purpose of financing BPC’s largesse.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification.

MR LETSHOLO: Ke tlaa go neela wa ga mma, ema pele motsotsonyana.
Honourable Speaker, we have of recent times enjoyed hearing that Okavango Diamond Company (ODC) is doing very well with sales revenues about to surpass the P10 billion mark.

On that basis, I reiterate again what I said in 2021 budget speech response that, again I quote Honourable Speaker.

“The diamond industry is shifting, and so should our approach.

With only a few years left before the end of mine for a number of our mines, we should seek to maximize the value extracted.
The setup of the ODC was a stroke of genius which must be supported, harnessed and leveraged.” In that context, the 15 per cent allocation to ODC should be increased and increased significantly.

Honourable Speaker, one cannot help but notice that our partner De Beers does not seem to have many mines, but simply makes money through the application of their expertise and experience.
More than 50 years since the establishment of Debswana and the development of local expertise in diamond mining, I propose that the Botswana Government establishes its own diamond company outside of and to the exclusion of De Beers and possibly form joint ventures with the rest of the world, utilising the knowledge accumulated by Botswana citizens since the year 1966.
This will enable Botswana to create revenues from our experience and expertise in diamond extraction, sorting, valuing etcetera, even after we run out of diamonds in the next couple of years, we will be able to earn revenue from that expertise and skills.

Honourable Speaker, we have to deal with the matter of the Depletion of Accumulated Savings and how will we build them up again.

It appears that one of the main tools that Government wants to use is tax collection.
We await the outcomes of the ongoing tax universe and tax gap analysis to guide where resources should be directed in so far as improving efficient tax collection is concerned.

I believe that the analysis will reveal that the biggest issue is not so much Value Added Tax (VAT) but the biggest tax gap is income tax evasion and externalization of funds.

However, when this study done and if done if so confirmed, then that is where BURS should focus its resources.
The second Honourable Speaker, is reducing the Government wage bill and making Government more efficient.

This wage bill issue has become a rhetoric, something to refer to as a concern without clear action towards reducing it.

It should be unacceptable to hear a repetition of this year on year.

Without specific targets, 14 Hansard No 205Monday 14th February, 2022APPROPRIATION (2022/2023) BILL, 2022 (NO.
2 OF 2022) Second Reading (Resumed Debate) such as reducing the wage bill by 20 percent as an example, this is meaningless.

Reducing funding to State Owned Enterprises (SOE) is also problematic as only a few of them are commercial, and if they are asked to be self-sufficient, they could simply raise prices that they extent to their consumers.

Again, the big issue is how much savings are we targeting?
We need a clear target again as an example to say “by reducing SOE funding, we will save Government X Millions.” Mr Speaker, with respect to rebuilding the Government Investment Account (GIA), there is need to focus more and achieve a level of clarity.

The GIA can only be rebuilt if we have surpluses.

If we have deficits and are taking on more debt, we cannot rebuild the GIA.

The only real way out of this is to change our thinking.
We have to stop trying to cut up the same cake into smaller pieces and asking Batswana to accept a smaller slice.

We need to focus on making the whole cake larger.

The real question from where I sit is, how does Government increase its revenue to allow not only sustainable running of Government, but to allow for savings for future generations who, unfortunately unlike us, will not have easy cash flows from diamonds?

This is the real question.


I want to posit an answer to this Mr Speaker which is (1) we should give mining assets to MDCB to optimise.

(2) Allow BDC to operate as a proper Sovereign Wealth Fund.

(3) Start the Diamond Future Fund that takes a small percentage of all diamond revenues and puts them into a Fund for future use, not to fund deficits.

Every serious nation from Norway to Singapore has gone this route, and they have done so successfully.

Norway did this with respect to their oil reserves.
Now they have no more oil reserves, but future generations can live off the interest on their Future Fund.

Their website reports that Norway’s oil fund is one of the world’s largest funds, and has a small stake in more than 9 000 companies worldwide, including the likes of Apple, Nestlé, Microsoft and Samsung.

Where is our Sovereign Wealth Fund, and I am not talking about the Pula Fund, I am talking about Sovereign Wealth Fund that can generate and store wealth for future generations?
This in my view has to be a real priority for Government, especially in this era.

Mr Speaker, I have in the past talked about the massive and probable risk of youth agitation due to rising unemployment and inactivity.

So many of our young people are out of work, they are disillusioned, very angry and turning into violent means to express their frustrations.

Idle hands and a sense of alienation is driving high levels of substance abuse and violent crime.
They have been promised the Botswana Dream: “Go to school, get a good job, buy a piece of land and live happily ever after.” This is far from reality.

Education does not equal employment, and businesses opportunities are locked out by foreign nationals at some of whom have localised.

I think we dare not miss the opportunity to signal to young people that we have the capacity and determination to implement strategies to turn our joint futures around.
Young people in Kanye North have not been spared, yet our young people in general are ill-equipped to start new businesses.

We need a fundamental redesign of our education system to teach our people to start businesses at a young age; to see opportunities, to be self-reliant, to break barriers, accountability, self-drive, risk taking; all the attributes of an entrepreneur.

Building a culture and spirit of entrepreneurship is a long term game, and the best time, although late, is really to start now.
Honourable Speaker, we noticed during COVID-19 lockdowns that movement restriction is a significant risk for Botswana.

We nonetheless have opportunity to innovate around this.

A trend is emerging worldwide where people are moving to less costly countries to do their work remotely while living in another country.

Botswana should be thinking about issuing short to long term permits for people to live and work out of Botswana notwithstanding where their jobs are.
While living here, they will spend on accommodation, transport, entertainment and pay taxes in Botswana.

It is time that we rethink our immigration strategy to meet these new opportunities and the emergent challenges.

As I move to a point of conclusion Honourable Speaker, somebody once said to me, “do not tell me your strategy.
Show me your budget and I will know your strategy.” Our current budget has the opportunity to reflect a clear path out of the desert for Batswana, one that involves them, one that challenges them and one that demands the best of them.

Our people deserve a budget that solves real problems for Batswana, and that is steadfastly focused on our vision of prosperity for all in 2036.

15 Hansard No 205Monday 14th February, 2022APPROPRIATION (2022/2023) BILL, 2022 (NO.
2 OF 2022) Second Reading (Resumed Debate) I therefore want to take this opportunity to urge the leadership to accelerate the development of our long term transformation strategy that charts a clear path to Vision 2036.

While we will certainly face challenges along the way, having a clear strategy and a roadmap allows us to respond to these challenges with the confidence that we are not sacrificing short term gains for long term prosperity.
Our national strategy will become a guiding light for all players; Government, business, youth, civic society and all others to march with unity and determination into the year 2036 and into prosperity for Batswana.

Mma ke ba fe sebaka ba ba neng ba re ba a mpotsa Mr Speaker.

Ke a go leboga.

MR MOTSAMAI: Tanki Mr Speaker.

Tanki Motlotlegi Letsholo, happy valentine’s to all of you Honourable Members ba le mo Ntlong.

Ke ne ke re ke botse potso e khutshwane fela rraetsho.
Ke utlwa o bua thata ka fa lephata la Botswana Power Corporation (BPC) le tshwanetseng ga tsibogela ditlhwatlhwa tsa motlakase ka fa di ntseng ka teng, gore di baya batho ka fa mosing.

O tlhatswe fela gore a mme fa mongwe wa Mapalamente ba kganetso, a ka tla ka mogopolo wa gore go tsibogelwe dikgang tse o di buang, le tse dingwe tse dintsi tse o ntseng o di bua e le matshwenyego, a o tlaa mo ema nokeng mo Motion oo?
Kana e tlaare fa jaanong gotwe a re bue, e bile a re tlhophe Motion ke o, o bo o re, ‘no’ rraetsho?

Ke batla o e tlhatswa gone foo motho wa batho.

MR LETSHOLO: Thank you Mr Speaker.

Mma ke arabe fela ka bonako ka nako e tšhaile.

Dikgang tse tsotlhe tse ke di buileng, fa o ka ya go bala manifesto wa Domkrag, o ya go di fitlhela mo teng.

Fa o ka reetsa Matona ba bua jaaka ba ntse ba araba dipotso, ba di tlhalosa tsotlhe gore di mo tseleng, di tlile go dirwa, di a baakanngwa.
Ke Mopalamente wa phathi ya Domkrag ke kanotse sehuba, se ke se buang fa, ke bua ke emetse phathi ya Domkrag, ke tlhophilwe ka talama e khibidu, e bile ke tlaa tswelela ke ema nokeng phathi e ya ga Domkrag… HONOURABLE MEMBER: gaNgwaketse.

Jaaka lenyora la MR LETSHOLO: …ya lenyora la gaNgwaketse.

Jaanong le se ka la ya go tla ka mogopolo o o setseng o le mo manifesto wa ga Domkrag, o Matona ba setseng ba le boleletse gore ba ya go dira jang.
Moo o tlaabo o sa dire sentle, a re tsamaisaneng sentle, re gakololaneng, mme re sale tsamaiso e e siameng morago.

Fa le tla ka solution e e seyong, mme ke bona e siame, ke tlaa le ema nokeng.

Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

MR SPEAKER: Honourable Hikuama followed by Honourable Balopi.

MR HIKUAMA (NGAMI): Ke a leboga Honourable Speaker.

Mma le nna ke tseye sebaka se go go leboga le go nna le la me mo puong e re e beilweng pele ke Tona yo mosha wa Madi.
Pele ga ke tsenelela mo molaetseng wa ga Tona, mma ke fetise molaetsa wa batlhophi ba Ngami kwa Matoneng a phathi e e busang, gore ba a rata go utlwa, ba eletsa go tlhaloganya se le se buang, mathata ke gore le tlisa (present) dikgang tsa lona ka Sekgoa le fa le sone Setswana se le bokete mo go bone, mme ba ka sela sengwe fa le ka itlwaetsa go ka tlisa dikgang tsa lona ka Setswana.
Ba ka utlwa sengwe le bone fa re bua jaana, ba di bapise gore a mme se re se fetolang, ke sone se le se buileng kana re a bo re le pateletsa.

Ke yone kopo e ba e dirang, e ba e nthomileng gore ke le kope Matona gotlhe le Mothusa Tautona gore fa ba fetola, le fa ba bua dikgang tse ba di bue ka Setswana.

Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, mma ke simolole jaana ke itebaganye le Tona yo mosha wa Madi.

Ke palelwa ke go akgola Tona yo mosha wa madi ka gore fela ke motho wa mme.
Se ke ka se dirang, ke go mo eleletsa masego le matlhogonolo mo tirong ya gagwe e seng go mo akgola gore ke motho wa mme ka gore ke mo tsaya e le Tona wa Domkrag fela jaaka Matona a mangwe a Domkrag a a fetileng pele ga gagwe.

Re a itse Tona gore re tswa mo Toneng yo o dithutego di fetileng tsa bontsi jwa rona mo Palamenteng e, mmantswitswidi wa tsa itsholelo, Dr Matsheka.
Ke ne ka dira phoso ka mo akgola, ka mo itumelela ke re gongwe lefatshe le, le bone teemane, e e leng gore fa re tswa fa, re sena go akola bo Tona jwa gagwe jwa madi, re tlaa tswa mo seemong se re leng mo go sone.

Ke gakologelwa re le kwa Phikwe, a re biditse e le Tona wa Madi, a bua dikgang tse di siameng.

A bua e le motho yo o phuthologileng maikutlo, a tshwenyegile ka mathata le letlhoko la Batswana.
Ka mmotsa gore a mme dikgang tse o di buang tse, o di bua for the purpose of this workshop, kana o bua o tlhoafetse, o batla go fetola jaaka o bua?

O ne a nkaraba a re, ga a bue go kgatlha workshop, o bua jaana a tlhoafetse, a batla go fetola dilo ka fa di dirwang ka teng.

Ka maswabi, ga re itse se se mo kobileng mo phatlheng eo.

Ga re itse le ene Honourable Serame gore o tlaa tsaya nako e e kae, e bile ga re tlhomamise ka gore ga re itse gore bothata jwa bone ke eng.
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2 OF 2022) Second Reading (Resumed Debate) ke eng ba tlogela (resign) letsatsi le letsatsi?

Re utlwa Tona Matsheka gore he resigned, a busetswa mo teng, a bo a kobiwa, dilo tse ga re itse gore di dirwa ke eng.

Gongwe fa ke ka bo ke itse se se ba kobang, ke ne ke ka nna le sebaka sa go mo akgola sentle.
Jaanong ka ga ke itse mathata a ba leng mo go one, a a dirang gore ba se ka ba direla Batswana se se molemo, ke palelwa ke go mo akgola, mma ke go eleletse masego le matlhogonolo mo tirong ya gago Mma Serame.

Mr Speaker, ke dumela gore lenaneo le la kabo madi a setšhaba fa le ntshiwa, batho ka go farologana ba lefatshe la Botswana, ba nna le ditsholofelo.

Le nna ke ne ka nna le expectation.

Batho ba kgaolo e ke e emetseng ya Ngami, ba nna le ditsholofelo.
Bone ba nna le tsholofelo ya gore fa kabo ya madi e dirwa ya monongwaga, e tlaa itebaganya le seemo sa letlhoko la ditiro se se aparetseng kgaolo ya bone.

E tlaa itebaganya le go tsosolosa mehama e e oleng ya temothuo le bojanala, gore ba tle ba kgone go oba letsogo le bone ba tswelele ba tokafatse matshelo a bone.

Ba ne ba solofetse gore ditsela tsa bone tse di sa ba kgontsheng go atlega mo go sepe fela sa matshelo, le go aga itsholelo ya bone, di tlaa dirwa, ba bo ba akola meamuso ya lefatshe la bone.
Ke tsone dilo tse ba neng ba di solofetse, mme go lebega go sena sepe se ba neng ba se solofetse se se ka atlegang mo budget ya gompieno.

Ke tsone diemo tse re tshwanetseng go itebaganya le tsone e bile ra supa ka fa rona re eletsang gore gongwe di ka bo di beilwe ka teng.
Ke tla ke kgobega marapo ka gore Honourable Leuwe, o ne a bua dikgang tse di tsweletseng, e bile di siame, mme a ntlhobosetsa gore ga go na sepe se se ka diragalang, go bua ga rona mo, ke moka re tlhabang mainane a a ka se keng a fetole sepe, re senya nako e e ka se keng e baakanye sepe.
Seemo se se utlwisang botlhoko mo pusong ya batho ka batho, gore Palamente e a tsena, go buiwa fela e kete it is a talk show, ke mo gotweng Maokaneng, mo re ka se keng ra kgona go baakanya sepe se re bonang se sa logiwa sentle.

Fa e le gore ke yone kutlwisiso ya gago Mme Serame, go phirimisa ditoro le dikeletso tsa rona mo go bueng, ga re bone gore re tlaabo re bua re re, re bua gore go diragale eng ka gore se re se buang, se tlaabo se ka se ke se fetole sepe.
Mr Speaker, mma ke itebaganye le dintlha tse di tswang mo puong ya ga Mme Serame.

O buile ka dikgang tse dintsi; social programmes tse di tlaa tokafadiwang, di tlaa siama.

Mma ke simolole ka ya bagodi (Old Age Pension).

Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, fa re ipapatsa re le ba phathi ya Umbrella for Democratic Change (UDC) re ne re tlhalosa gore fa re ka fiwa boikarabelo jwa go tsamaisa Puso ya lefatshe la Botswana, re ka oketsa madi a batsofe go nna P1 500.
E se gore e ne e le go kgatlha batho, e le go bona botlhokwa jwa gore bagolo ba rona ba diretse lefatshe le e bile ga ba sa tlhole ba na le dinonofo tsa go ka dira sepe fela se se ka ba tshetsang.

Madi a a bagodi go ya ka rona, ke madi a a ba tsenyang mo seemong se se siameng sa go tshela botshelo jo bo nang le serite, sa go tokafatsa le matshelo a bone le ba ba tshelang le bone mo malwapeng.

Ke sone se re neng re bona gore madi a a kana kang P1 500, ke one a a ba siametseng.
Re santse re dumela jalo gore, madi a a siametseng bagodi ba rona ke P1 500.

Go oketsa ka P100, mme o okeditse ditlhwatlhwa tsa petrol, cooking oil metlakase le sengwe le sengwe, ga go tokafatse seemo se ba leng mo go sone.

Gompieno fa o tsena mo Choppies o lebelela lebotlele la mafura ke madi a a tshisibanyang mmele, le P100 ga e ka ke ya reka 2 Litres (L) ya cooking oil.

Mo e leng gore go ba okeletsa ka P100, ga go reye sepe fela mo go bone.
Ke moka o ba omileng ka gore o oketsa ka fa ka letsogo le lengwe, a bo o tsaya ka le lengwe.

Fa o oketsa madi ka P100, a bo o oketsa lekgetho mo dilong tse di kana , ga o a dira sepe.

Ke moka o neng o eme fela o sa oketse sepe, ka gore ga go thuse sepe go okeletsa motho ka P100 o ntse o tlhatlhagantse makgetho a a kanakana a a imelang koketsego e e diragetseng.
Se sengwe se ke batlang go se bua Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente ke gore, fa re lebelela lenaneo la destitutes a re le sekasekeng gape sesha, re bone gore ba ba tshwanetseng ke bafe, ba ba sa tshwanelang ke bafe.

E kete le a kgetholola, go na le bangwe ba ba tshwanang ka seemo mme o fitlhela ba sa akole sepe mme ba bangwe ba akola ba ba tshwanang le bone.

Go a tle go tlise ketsaetsego le letlhoo mo bathong ba ba nnang golo go le gongwe.
Go tshwana le la disability, ga re itse gore go a bo go dirisiwa sekale sa mofuta ofe mo o fitlhelang monalebogole yo mongwe a fiwa, monalebogole yo mongwe a sa kgone go fiwa.

Dikgang tse re tshwanetse ra di lebelela.

Le ba ba kanokang gore ba tle ba akole dilo tse di ba tshwanetseng ba botlhe.
A bua ka madi a bagodi, madi a botlhoki (Destitute Allowance), ba ba neng ba lwa dintwa tsa World War II (World War II Veterans), le allowances tse dingwe tse a di buileng tsa banalebogole gore gongwe di tlaa oketsega.

Ke belaela gore gongwe tshekatsheko le go tlhodumelwa ga mananeo a ke ba ba lebaneng, like my colleagues e le Matona, they are the ones failing people ka ba tlogeletse sengwe le sengwe bodirelapuso jo bo sa kgoneng go diragatsa mananeo a ka leitlho le a ka lejwang ka lone.
17 Hansard No 205Monday 14th February, 2022APPROPRIATION (2022/2023) BILL, 2022 (NO.

2 OF 2022) Second Reading (Resumed Debate) Fa re ka lebelela diemo tseo, gongwe re ka tokafatsa.

Fa re lebelela social programmes, re tshwanetse gore re tle ka mananeo a a ka tokafatsang matshelo a bathong, e seng a a tlaa dirang batho go nna batlhoki go ya go ileng.
Mananeo la Ipelegeng, Integrated Support Programme of Arable Agriculture Development (ISPAAD) le Livestock Management and Infrastructure Development (LIMID), ke mananeo a e leng gore fa a ka dirwa ka fa re neng re akantse ka teng re le ba phathi ya UDC, jaaka re kwadile mo manifesto wa rona, re fetola lenaneo la Ipelegeng to a labour intensive works public programme which will equip batho ka skills le go dira ditirelo tsa sennelaruri, a ka ntsha batho mo lehumeng.
Ka maswabi mananeo a otlhe, Puso e e leng teng ya Domkrag e bua gore they are being restructured since re tsena mo Pusong ka 2019.

Sale re utlwa pina e opelwa, gore go diragale ga go diragale.

Ga ke itse gore restructuring lenaneo go tlhoka dingwaga tse kae, ka gore ke go tla ka dikakanyo o bona gore re baakanye jaana, re tle re tswelele Batswana ba akole mananeo a ba thuse.
Ga ke dumele gore batho ba Ngami le Batswana ka kakaretso, ba eletsa go nna ka mananeo a a tlaa dirang gore ba nnele ruri e le batlhoki a bo bana ba bone ba tla ba ja boswa jwa mophako ba nna batlhoki.

Ba eletsa go bona empowering programmes, that will eliminate poverty mo dikgaolong tse ba leng kwa go tsone.

Le creation of employment, ke one mananeo a ba a emetseng e bile ba eletsa gore ba a utlwe, gore budget ya gompieno e ya go tshikinya le go fetola matshelo a bone go le kae.
Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, go na le maintenance of public infrastructure.

Se se a tshwenya mo dikgaolong ka bophara kana ke re lefatshe lotlhe la Botswana.

O fitlhela dikago tsa Puso e le matlotla, di kgautlhane.

Rona fa o tsena kwa bo Gumare le Etsha, o fitlhela schools collapsing, dipatela sale di sha ke digau fela, fa o tsena mo teng it is an eyesore.

Fa o lebelela dikole tsa teng le tsone it is the same thing, kwa Okavango Junior, Sehitlhwa Primary School le Ngami Junior Secondary School.
Ga re itse gore fa Puso e latlhelela dikago tsa rona, e sena a proper maintenance plan ya dikago, re ka tswelela jang ra isa ditlamelo kwa bathong.

Ke kopa Matona a a lebaneng, le ene Tona wa Madi le Tlhabololo Itsholelo, a netefatse gore madi a a filweng maphata a otlhe a dirisiwe ka kelelelo, a fetole matshelo a batho.

Ke utlwile kgang e ntle thata fa go buiwa ka yone maintenance, gore go ya go ganelelwa mo dikomponeng tsa benggae, ke gore primary locals.
Ke kgang e e utlwalang, bothata jo bo teng jo re bo bonang, jo re sa bolong go bo bona ke jwa capacity le go tlhoka go feleletsa projects.

Se setona se re tshwanetseng go se dira re le Puso, ke go netefatsa gore we empower our local companies and contractors, gore di tle di kgone gore fa di filwe tiro di kgone go e dira ka nako, di e fetse ka nako go sa senngwe madi ka go sa dira because of lack of capacity.
Re a bona mafatshe a mangwe a a tshwanang le bo China, have empowered their citizens ka go netefatsa gore dikompone di a thusiwa, go nna le machinery le go aga capacity.

Rona fela fa motho a tla ka konteraka, e le mo pampiring mo envelop o fiwa a tender, a sena capacity.

E bo project ya teng e pala go fela, madi a latlhega, sengwe le sengwe se senyega because of that.

Se sengwe se motho a neng a ka se bua ka dikompone tse, ke go e amanya le Constituency Community Projects (CCP).
Re utlwile Tona a tlhalosa gore, o ya go ntsha madi, mme kana re kolotiwa madi a dingwaga tse pedi, a projects tse di neng di tshwanetse gore di dirwe since 2021.

A ntse a sa ntshiwe, ga a a supa sentle gore a mme melatsa e o ya go re e duela, re solofele P30 million mo budget e re yang go e neelwang re le constituencies or not.

Re a a tlhoka, go netefatsa gore projects tse di neng di akantswe di ya go diragatswa.

Se sengwe se ke batlang go bua ka sone Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, ke temothuo.
Temothuo kana ke yone e re ka dirang ditiro ka yone, ra aga itsholelo ya rona re le lefatshe.

Fa re sa tseye temothuo ka tlhwaafalo, ga gona ka fa re ka dirang ditiro tse disha, ra fetsa lehuma mo lefatsheng la rona.

Temothuo jaaka ba atle ba bue, ke one mokwatla wa itsholelo ya Botswana.

Batho ga ba a bolo go tshela ka yone e le balemi-barui.

Ba tshela ka dikgomo, ba rekisa nama, ba a ja dijo le go di ntsha jaaka mmidi, mabele le tse dingwe tse di lengwang.
Re ka thusa mohama o go ema ka dinao fa re ka netefatsa gore baruri-balemi re ba thusa ka metsi a a tlhokiwang ke temothuo.

Temothuo e tlhoka metsi go na le sengwe le sengwe.

Fa go senang metsi teng, temothuo does not flourish, ga e gole.

E ka gola fa re ka thusa Batswana go batla metsi and e botlhokwa go gaisa sengwe le sengwe.

Re tshwanetse re netefatse gore Batswana ba fiwa lefatshe le ba ka ruelang mo go lone, le le ba ka lemelang mo go lone.
Se se gakgamatsang gompieno ke ka fa Lephata la Kaboditsha le batlang go dira dilo ka teng.

La re, fa o na le meraka golo gongwe, o ya go fiwa tshimo kgakala le kwa o nnang teng.

Policy e, ke e e sa 18 Hansard No 205Monday 14th February, 2022APPROPRIATION (2022/2023) BILL, 2022 (NO.

2 OF 2022) Second Reading (Resumed Debate) tsamaisanyeng le policy e gotweng Integrated Farming e e simolodisitsweng ke Puso.
Fa re tla ka programme re re ke integrated farming, re eletsa morui go fetoga go nna molemi le go rua dilo dingwe tse a di tlhokang golo go le gongwefela.

Fa a fiwa tshimo kgakala le kwa a leng teng, o ya go netefatsa gore di tswelela jang sentle?

Se se botlhokwa ke gore a nne teng, di nne golo go le gongwefela, di se ka tsa mo turela go di tsamaisa.
Ke ka se ke ke fete kgang ya temothuo ke ise ke bue ka beef industry, e e leng gore batho ba kgaolo ya me ya Ngamiland le North West ka bophara, ba tshela ka kgomo.

Ba tshela ka beef, mme ditlhwatlhwa le market wa nama, o kwa tlase mo lefatsheng la Botswana.

O kwa tlase kwa go bone, ga ba kgone go rekisa.

Puso e netefatse gore e batlela balemi-barui ba, mmaraka o ba ka rekisang dikgomo tsa bone kwa go one.
Re netefatse gore Meat Regulator o go sa bolong go opelwa ka one ke le morutabana ke ise ke nne Mopalamente, o nne teng.

Go buiwa ka the establishment of the Meat Regulator mo lefatsheng la Botswana.

Even as we speak, ga go supafale gore Tona yo o lebanyeng is ready go tlisa Bill eo.

Batho ba sale ba e emetse, ba batla go bona e diragadiwa, e seng go buiwa mo State of the Nation Address (SONA) le Budget Speech ngwaga le ngwaga.

Dilo tse re tshwanetse re netefatse gore di a diragala.
Government also o tshwanetse a nna le a deliberate programme ya go ka thusa balemi-barui to strengthen their associations gore ba kgone go bua ka lentswe le lengwefela.

Se sengwe Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, se ke batlang gore ke bone se tsosolosa itsholelo ya dikgaolo tsa rona, ke ditsela.

Ditsela ke tsone tse o ka isang sepe fela se o se akantseng go tlhabolola botshelo jwa motho.

E ka tswa e le go simolola kgwebo, go itlhaganela go dira dilo tsa gago ka nako, le services tse di ntshiwang.
Ditsela fa di le mo seemong se se sa itumediseng go gola ga itsholelo, ga go na ka fa re ka tlhamang ditiro ka teng.

Ditsela tsa dikgaolo tsa rona bogolo jang tsa North West, di tlhomola pelo.

Le fa o reetsa Budget e, ga e na an aggressive approach gore e ya go di dira jang.

E setse e bua ka Public Private Partnerships (PPP) model.

O ipotsa gore PPP mo ditseleng di tshwana le tsa rona mo seemong sa Botswana, e ya go thusa jang.
Fa o solofetsa motho wa Ngamiland gore tsela ya lona e ya go dirwa ka PPP model, o bona o sa mo solofetsa sepe.

Ga go na sepe se o se mo neetseng gore Private Partnerships tse o di boneng ke dife.

Ke dikompone dife tse o yang go pataganya le tsone go aga tsela eo, e bile le dumalane the conditions tse di ntseng jang.

Golo moo fa o bua fela, ke moka o ba apesa kobo matlhong, go sena sepe se ba tshwanetseng ba se solofele.

Re tshwanetse ra tlhwaafala fa re bua ka the PPP e re e boneng.
Re tlhalosa gore ke private dife, di ya go dira jang, di ya go simolola leng?

Fa re bua jaana, ga go na sepe se se solofetsang.

Ditsela tsa rona ga di mo seemong se se siameng.

Di tshwanetse tsa dirwa Tona, le netefatse gore madi a a bonwa, di a dirwa.

Ga go bolo go buiwa ka tsela ya Shakawe-Mohembo-Sehithwa.

As we speak, there is nothing.

Tona maabane o ne a araba potso ya me ya ditsela a supa ka fa ba senang se ba se ke se dirang ka ditsela tsa rona.

A supa fa ba sena plan.


Fa o ka ya kwa Ngamiland gompieno, wa lebelela ditsela tse gotweng di dirilwe, o ka gakgamala gore Tona yo, o ne a fiwa information ke mang, kana o nna lefatshe ntlha efe mo a sa kgoneng go itse gore ditsela tsa gagwe, ga di a dirwa.

O bua mo Palamenteng a re ditsela di dirilwe ka di kana.

Ga a ipha nako ya go rurifatsa gore se se buiwang a ke boammaaaruri kana ga se boammaaruri.

Ga ba na nako eo Matona a Domkrag.


Fa ba kwaletswe fela ba a bala, le fa ba bona dilo di sena boammaaruri, ga ba lemoge gore ga go na boammaaruri.

Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, se sengwe se se tshwenyang ke bogodu jwa leruo.

Bo itsa kgolo ya itsholelo, go dirwa ga ditiro.

Fa batho ba utswela ba bangwe, ba sa tshwarwe, ba sa se ke, lehuma le a gola mo bathong ba.
Se sengwe se motho a ka fetang ka sone nako e ise e tsamaye ke metsi; provision of portable drinking water to all the people of Botswana.

Kgang e re tshwanetse ra e lebelela sentle ka gore fa go sena metsi a a phepa, botsogo le jone ga bo nne teng.

Seemo se se a tshwenya ka gore mo kgaolong e ke e emetseng, o fitlhela go na le batho ba iteka jaaka ba Habu Development Trust.

Ba leka go thusa batho ba bone ka metsi, ba epa didiba.
Fa ba sena go epa didiba jaana gore ba nose morafe, didiba metsi a teng ga a tlhatsiwa, a na le minerals tse di fetileng.

Ke tlhola ke bua le ba Lephata la Metsi ba ba lebanyeng, gore mme ke eng ba sa ba direle a mini plant ya to purify metsi a bone ka ba epile didiba, ba na le metsi.

Se ba se tlhokang ke gore a bewe mo seemong sa gore a ka nowa ke batho, a sa ba tsenye botlhole bope fela mo matshelong a bone.
Dilo tse dingwe di a gakgamatsa Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, o fitlhela go na le motse o tshwana le wa Danega o o nang le sekole, bana ba nna mo motseng mme ba sielwa metsi ke Puso ka the bowsers kwa sekoleng.

O fitlhela ba sa sielwe metsi kwa motseng.

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2 OF 2022) Second Reading (Resumed Debate) sekoleng, fa ba dule ba ile kwa metseng ba tlhapa ka eng, ba nwa eng.

O bona such a pathetic situation mo e leng gore re tshwanetse fa re tlamela metsi, re netefatse gore motse o na le metsi.

E seng gore ga le siele batho metsi mo ungazetted areas le isa fela kwa Government facilities.

Batho ba Puso, bana, barutabana fa ba tswela kwa ntle ba ya go nwa eng, ba ya go tlhapa ka eng.
I think ke dikgang tse re tshwanetseng re di lebelele gore re di tokafatsa ka tsela e e ntseng jang.

dikokelong le dipatela tsa rona bo teng.

Gompieno go utlwisa botlhoko go bona sepatela se tshwana le sa Letsholathebe Memorial Hospital.

Intensive Care Unit (ICU) ya sone e sale se dirwa le gompieno ga e ise e bereke.

Ga ke itse gore a Lephata la Botsogo ga le ise le nne le madi a go netefatsa gore tse di tlhokiwang mo unit ele to function di a dirwa.
Dilo tse, Tona yo o lebaneng le wena yo o ntshang madi le netefatse gore dilo tse di a dirwa.

Kgang ya bofelo Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente ka nako e a sia, ke ya thuto.

Mo maitlamong a rona a UDC, re dumela gore thuto ke tshwanelo ya motho.

Thuto ke the best equaliser mo lefatsheng ka bophara.

Thuto ga e a tshwanela go rekisediwa ope.

Puso ga e a tshwanela go rekisetsa batho ba yone thuto because it is a human right and education transforms life.
Ke boikarabelo jwa Puso jo bo tona go ruta batho.

Mr Speaker, access to education must be matched with quality, ke gone thuto e ka tswelang batho ba yone mosola mme e sa rekisiwe.

Ke gore fa ke bua jaana, I am against the policy e Tona a batlang go e dira ya gore batho ba duele bontlha bongwe jwa thuto.

Ba re, people should be given free education.

Se re tlhalosang ke gore, education must be free and compulsory at all the levels.

Ga e a tshwanela go rekisediwa batho ba yone.

Barutabana ba hirwe.


Jaaka go setse go builwe, re solofeditswe 3500 and something, temporary teachers ba tshwanetse gore ba hirwe ba duelwe sentle.

Ke batla go sia jaana ke e amanyana le yone ya improvement of public service and productivity.

Fa o hira batho o bo sa ba duele, ga ba ka ke ba kgona go ntsha ga tshwene.

Re tshwanetse gore re duele babereki, e seng go akanya go fokotsa bo scarce skills allowance.
We should review the whole pay structure sa badirelapuso ba rona re bone gore what is the best pay for all the civil servants.

Ga o ka ke wa re o ne o file batho scarce skills gompieno o bo o re o ya go di ntsha, you are going to affect their morale and motivation.

E bile ka fa ba neng ba tshela ka teng, fa o simolola o fokotsa fela kana o se ntsha, o dira mathata.
Se se teng ke go baakanya dituelo tsa babereki o netefatsa gore ba duelwa sentle e bile ga o tlhophe gore yo ke wa scarce skills, yo ga se wa sone.

O ba neela pay or salary e e nang le boleng jaaka re ne re bua mo manifesto wa rona wa UDC gore go tshwanetse ga nna le decent jobs and decent lives.

Fa o tla ka ditiro tse di senang seriti, batho ga ba dire ka tlhoafalo.

Mo motsotsong o o setseng Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, ke tsena mo go tsa botsogo.
Botsogo bo tshwanetse jwa emelwa ka dinao ra netefatsa gore dingaka, baoki le bodiredi jotlhe jo re bo tlhokang mo Se sengwe sa bofelo ke SOEs.

Pina e le yone ga e a bolo go opelwa.

Re fetsa digwaga tse tharo jaana re tsena mo go opelwa gore there is going to be rationalisation, go a baakanngwa e bile gompieno go setse go buiwa gore jaanong go tlaa fokotswa madi a a isiwang kwa go tsone.

O bona gore re tsamaya re change dipuo tsa rona concerning this issue.
Se se tlhokafalang fa ga se go ba neela madi, ke bolaya tse di senang boleng and merge tse di tshwanang re fokotsa spending sa Puso ka gore fa o sa di neela madi mme o re di dire, ga di ka ke tsa ya go dira sepe.

Se se botlhokwa is to merge what they are doing; those that are a duplication of duty le tse dingwe tse o bonang gore tse dingwe ga re sa tlhole re di tlhoka, maphata a Puso a teng a tlaa tswelela a dira tiro e e neng e tlhokwa ke those things.
Dilo tse Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, ke tsone tse di ka re thusang go betla ditiro le go bona gore budget ya rona e itebagantse le se re se tlhokang, e seng to finance corruption e e tlhoafetseng e e kanakana.

Le yone corruption, fa… “EXCHANGE OF SPEAKERSHIP” MR SPEAKER (MR MOATLHODI): Your time is up Honourable Member for Ngami.

Thank you Honourable Caterpillar Kainangura Hikuama, Honourable Member for Ngami.

Ba go utlwile kwa kgaolong ngwana wa botate.


Now, the next Honourable Member to contribute shall be the Honourable Member for Gaborone North, Honourable Mpho Balopi.

MR BALOPI (GABORONE NORTH): Ke a go leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente.
Tla ke go dumedise mo tshokologong e ke dumedise batlotlegi ka nna Mapalamente e bile ke ba eleletse letsatsi le lentle la lerato, le ke le eleletsang le baagi botlhe ba Gaborone North le Batswana botlhe ka kakaretso gore a e nne letsatsi le re tlaa re atametsang gaufi le Morena, re itse gore lerato ke lone kagiso.
Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, tla ke simolole fela ka go lemoga le go akgola Tona Mme Mma Serame ka pego ya kabo ya madi ya ngwaga wa kete pedi 20 Hansard No 205Monday 14th February, 2022APPROPRIATION (2022/2023) BILL, 2022 (NO.

2 OF 2022) Second Reading (Resumed Debate) masome a mabedi le bobedi e bile a e aba jaana e le mme wa ntlha go nna ene Tona wa tsa Merero ya Madi le Ditlhabololo.

Ba setse ba buile go le gontsi ba ba itseng maboko a Serolong.
Ba setse ba mmokile ba ba mo itseng modi wa gagwe.

Le nna fela ke mo lebogise e bile ke mo solofetse kemonokeng.

Tona Serame o re baya pego pele ka nako e e thata.

Ke tsaya gore ke gone mo gotweng, “mme o e tshwara ka fa bogaleng.” Ke nako e e thata e e leng gore re mo segajajeng sa COVID mme e re re le mo go sone jaana, go sa go nne botoka.
Go simolotse go le thata go sena ope yo o itseng kwa re go yang jaaka Motswana a a tle a re, “o mpotse tsa kwa ke tswang, e seng tsa kwa ke yang.” Go bona a re baya pego e e ntseng jaaka e a e re beileng pele mo nakong ya gompieno e bile a amogetse gore pego ya kabo ya madi e, Puso e ya go felela e na le tlhaelo fa o lebelela letseno le tiriso ya madi kana deficit e e leng gore e teng mme maikaelelo ke gore go kgaramediwe ka fa go ka kgonegang ka teng gore go nne le tharabololo ya go busetsa dilo meriting di le dintsi gore itsholelo ya rona e kgone gore e dire.
Tshimologo ya ntlha e ke lemogileng gore Puso e e e dirile e bile gape fa ke mo reeditse le ene o bua fela jalo ke gore matshelo a Batswana a ne a tshwanelwa ke gore a bolokwe.

Le fa e le gore go ne go na le tse di eletsegang kana tse di tlhokegang, go ne ga nna gore matshelo a Batswana a bolokwe go tswa mo mogareng o kana kgotlholo e tona e; COVID-19 e e neng e re tlhasetse.

Mongwe le mongwe o tlaa dumalana le rona ka gore botshelo bo le bongwefela ke matshelo a le mantsi.
Ntswa re latlhegetswe ke matshelo, Puso e dirile ka botswapelo mo dinakong tse go neng go le thata gore e kgone go boloka itsholelo ka gore go boloka Motswana ke gone go boloka itsholelo le isago.

Ka jalo, ke leboge gore go bo go diregile jalo.


Kgangkgolo e nngwe e a re e beileng pele ke gore o batla gore tsotlhe tse re neng re di ipeile pele tsa ditlhabololo tse di setseng di tsweletse di fele ka gore ga go ka ke ga kgonega gore di tlogelwe ka gore fa di ka se ke di fele, go tlaa dira gore e bo e le tatlhegelo ya letseno le le ka tswang le ne le tlaabo le dirisitswe botoka.
Ka mo akgolela gore o itebagantse le gore di fele gore go tle go kgone gore go tswelele go tsena tse dingwe mme le tse go setseng go dumalanwe gore di tlaa dirwa, le tsone di dirwe.

Ka jalo, ke lemoga gore jaaka Motswana a tle a re, “tsela kgopo ga e latse nageng,” ke gone jaaka re ntse re tsamaela kwa go reng gone re tle re fitlhelele kwa ditsholofetsong tse Batswana ba nang le tsone mo Pusong e mo lefatsheng la bone.

LEADER OF THE HOUSE (MR TSOGWANE): Procedure Mr Speaker.

Ke a tshwenyega Mr Speaker.


MR SPEAKER: Yes sir.

MR TSOGWANE: Ke itsile gore go tlaa nna jaana ka gore go ntse go tla go buiwa sentle batho ba utlwala jaanong go tsene ba e leng gore ke ba Puso and dilo tse di a diragala gantsi.

Go a kgaoga (cut); ga ke itse gore network e dirilwe jang, ke bo mang, kae?

Golo fa re reeditse Mokwaledi Mogolo Domkrag, ga re utlwe le se Mokwaledi Mogolo a se buang.
HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… MR TSOGWANE: E ntse e sa kgaoge fa go bua Caterpillar; Caterpillar o buile fela bontlentle a bo a fetsa e sa kgaoge.

Dilo tse Mr Speaker, o tshwanetse gore o di ele tlhoko jaanong.

Rona ga re utlwe Mokwaledi Mogolo jaaka a ntse a bua jaana.

HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… MR SPEAKER: Order, please!

Nnyaa, re go utlwile Your Honour.

Re utlwile rraarona.

Honourable Member for Gaborone North, o kare o atumela microphone ngwana wa ga nkgonne.
Le nna ke tshwana le Motlotlegi Rraetsho Mothusa Tautona; o tla o kgaoga mme Kainangura o ne a utlwala clearly.

Please, go ahead Honourable Member.

MR BALOPI: Nnyaa, ke tsaya gore ke siame.

Go raya gore o correct, ke dumalana le Mothusa Tautona gore go na le ba ba lwang le mafaratlhatlha gongwe.
Se ke neng ke se bua ke ne ke re, gone re tshwanetse go itse gore fa re itebagantse le go dira tse di tshwanetseng, tse di neng di ntse di le mo tseleng…ke kopa gore le nne le ntshupegetsa nako foo Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente gore ke tle ke kgone go e aroganya sentle.

MR SPEAKER: Twenty-five minutes for you sir.

O na le 25 minutes.

MR BALOPI: Nnyaa, e tshwanetse gore e supiwe on the screen.

MR SPEAKER: Yes sir, re tlaa e supa.

MR BALOPI: Ee rra.
MR BALOPI: Ee rra.

Ke ne ke re go tshwanetse gore go nne fela jaaka Tona a ne a bua gore o tlaa dirisa karolo ya madi a a abang a go fetsa tse di tshwanetseng gore di dirwe.

Gape se ke se itumelelang ke gore, o buile gore bokete jwa letseno le ke jo bo yang kwa botsogong.

21 Hansard No 205Monday 14th February, 2022APPROPRIATION (2022/2023) BILL, 2022 (NO.
2 OF 2022) Second Reading (Resumed Debate) O buile ka didikadike tse di fetang kana more than P10 Billion, gore o tlaabo a ile kwa Lephateng la Botsogo.

Kana fa setšhaba se tsogile, ke gone se kgonang gore se akanye, se nne le dikakanyetso le ditoro go ya kwa pele, gore lefatshe la rona le tle le tswelele.
Pele ga ke ya kwa pele ke ntse ke reeditse ka kelotlhoko fa barwarre Mapalamente ba bua ba supa dingwe tse bangwe ba neng ba re ba kopetswe mo mananeong, bangwe ba re gongwe mananeo a bone ke bone ba akantseng jalo pele dingwaga tse di fetileng.

Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, kgangkgolo e re tshwanetseng gore re e ele tlhoko ke gore, re mo pusong ya batho ka batho, mo go rayang gore re tshwanetse ra reetsa dikeletso tsa batho.
Fa re sena go nna re reetsa dikeletso tsa batho re bo re kgona gore re tswe ka mananeo, fela jaaka ditlhopho ngwaga le ngwaga tse tlhano go iwa kwa go tsone, gore mongwe le mongwe a ye go ipaya pele gore a o tsibogetse se Batswana ba eletsang go se bona.
Ke batla go papamatsa ke re, e ne ya re ka ngwaga wa kete pedi lesome le borataro (2016) fa Tebelopele ya setšhaba ya ntlha e ya fifing ga tsena Tebelopele ya setšhaba ya bobedi, ya ngwaga wa kete pedi masome a mararo le borataro (2036) re lebetse pele gore re batla gore Botswana a bo a ntse jang.

Dipotso di ne tsa botswa di le tharo gore Batswana ba batla gore Botswana e bo e le wa loago le le ntseng jang ka ngwaga wa 2036?
Ya bobedi ya bua gore, Motswana yo o tlaabong a nna mo Botswana ka nako eo e bo e le motho yo o ntseng jang?

Ya boraro e bo e bua gore, mme gore ditoro tse re di fitlhelele tsa gore Botswana a bo a ntse jaaka o eletsa le Motswana e le Motswana yo o tshwanang jaaka o eletsa gore a nne ka teng, ke gore go bo go dirilwe eng, e bile se dirilwe ke mang?

O tlaa gakologelwa tse di neng di bodiwa go setse dingwaga fela di le pedi pele ga re ya ditlhophong.
Party ya ga Domkrag e e eteletsweng pele ke Tautona Mokgweetsi Eric Keabetswe Masisi, ba tsaya tshwetso ya gore ba tsibogele tse Batswana ba batlang go di bona mo tebelopeleng ya setšhaba.

Fa o ka tsaya maitlamo a rona, o bo o tsaya pego ya tebelopele ya setšhaba, yone Tebelopele ya 2036, o tlaa bona gore tsotlhe tse re rileng re a go di dira, re ne ra araba tse Batswana ba neng ba eletsa gore di dirwe.

Jaanong re araba potso ya boraro ya gore go tshwanetse gore go diriwe eng, e bile se diriwe ke mang?
E bile ga go thona gore e ne ya re ka ngwaga wa kete pedi lesome le borobabongwe (2019) ba bo ba supa Party ya ga Domkrag ka gore fa o bodiwa potso, wena o bo o araba e sele go raya gore gatwe you have failed.
Jaanong ke gakologelwa gore Mopalamente wa pele wa Selebi Phikwe-Mmadinare, rremogolo Rre Morake, o kile a bua gore go na le batho ba e a reng ba bodiwa gore one plus one ke eng, ba bo ba re Jeso Keresete o tsaletswe kwa Bethlehem, ka jalo ke lemogile gore ba bangwe ba ne ba iphaposa mo go reng ba arabe dikeletso tsa tebelopele e nneng Batswana ba batla go e bona.
Jaanong re tshwanetse go simolola go ela tlhoko gore re se ka ra nna re bua gore batho ba kopetswe, re ipotse gore ka nako eo e nneng batho ba tsibogela dikeletso tsa Batswana ba ne ba lebile eng?

E bile ba rumilwe ke mang gore ba se lebe?

Ka jalo ke tsaya gore kgang e e tlaa wela gone foo.
E rile go ntse go tsweletse ga nna le tlhomo sesha ya lenaneo le le neng le bewa pele ke Tautona wa lefatshe la Botswana la Puso a supa dintlha tse tlhano, a tsibogela tsotlhe tse go neng go lekwa go dirwa, gore go lekwe gore itsholelo e tswe mo maibing.

Mme a bua ka gore o tlaa batla gore go somarelwe tšhaba ya Botswana mo bolwetseng jo, ga diragala.
A bua ka gore o batla gore go nne le mo gotweng shared vision, ke gore se Puso e batlang go se dira, mongwe le mongwe a kgone gore a ikamanye le sone gore re tle re bone maduo.

Go bo go nna le tiriso ya maranyane, e e tshwanetseng gore le yone re itse gore e ya go fefosa kgolo ya itsholelo, e a go fefosa ka fa ditiriso le tse di direlwang Batswana, le batho botlhe fela ba e leng gore ba ikamanya le lefatshe la rona ba ba kgonang gore ba ka fitlhelela tsotlhe tse e leng gore re a di dira re le lefatshe.
A bo a bua ka mo gotweng value chains ka sejatlhapi, mo e leng gore ke go tlaleletsa mo go se se tlaabong se simologa gore o kgone gore o ungwelwe mo go sone go ya kwa pele.

Mme a bo a bua ka ya botlhano e le ya mindset change, go fetola dikakanyo ka fa re ntseng re dira dilo ka teng.

Ke batla go remelela gone foo Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente.
Go remelela ga me ke gore, Mme Mma Serame ntswa a re beile pego e ntle fa pele ga rona jaana, ke batla go remelela mo go reng, mindset change ga e a tshwanela fela gore go nne mo go reng a re fetoleng ka fa re ntseng re akanya ka teng, re dire mo gotweng, disruptive mindset change, ke gore re thube dikakanyetso tsotlhe, re phatlalatse gotlhe mo go kileng ga nna teng, gore re tle re kgone go tsibogela diemo, re sa tshabe sepe, e bile re sa boife gore kwa pele go ka nna jang.
Ka gore fa e ka re sefefo se tla kana go na le bothata, jo bo tshwanetseng gore e bo e le gore bo ka salwa morago kana go fetola dilo, jaaka re bona re le mo mathateng a dilo tse di farologaneng mo lefatsheng la rona tsa itsholelo, tse le tlhoko ya ditiro e ke tlaa 22 Hansard No 205Monday 14th February, 2022APPROPRIATION (2022/2023) BILL, 2022 (NO.

2 OF 2022) Second Reading (Resumed Debate) tsenang mo go yone le yone e santse e le kwa morago.
Fa re ka se ke re dire jalo re a go latlhegelwa ke tshono ya gore e re re dirile mananeo a kana tlholontšha e ya gore re tsibogele ka fa re batlang go tsamaisa Puso ka teng re bo re sa kgone gore jaanong re bue ka to disrupt kana go senyolola ka fa re ntseng re dira ka teng, re dire dilo ka tsela e ntšha.

Ke bua jaana ka gore o tlaa gakologelwa bogologolo go ne go na le bangwe ba ba neng ba itsege ka dinepe ba bidiwa gotwe Kodak.
Kodak e ne ya re fa go fetolwa jaanong go simolola go tsena digital cameras, ba bo ba tsaya gore ka gore Kodak e ne e ntse e le gore e a itsege, mongwe le mongwe o itse gore Kodak ke mangmang mo dinepeng, ba bo ba sa kgone gore ba fetole ba tsene mo seemong sa digital cameras, gompieno jaana ga ke itse gore ke ba le kae ba ba a tleng ba bone Kodak.
E ne ya tshwanelwa ke gore e nyelele, ka gore e ne ya palelwa ke gore ba nne le that disruptive way of thinking and changing ka fa ba ntseng ba dira dilo ka teng.

Ke dumela gore re na le tshono re le lefatshe la Botswana segolobogolo re santse re na le kutlwisisano e e teng, re santse re kgona gore re le Batswana re utlwane ka megopolo, le fa re kgaogana ka megopolo e se mo go ka re lwantshang, e bile ga dira gore re ipone re se tšhaba e nngwe fela.
Re tshwanetse gore re bope megopolo e go santse go ntse jaana, gore re fetole kakanyo ya rona re le tšhaba.

Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente go tlaabo go sa lekana gore re ipotse, jaaka Tona a ne a re baya pele pego, e bile go ntse go na le matshwenyego a a teng, ke tsaya gore la ntlhantlha fela go tsibogela matshwenyego a re tshwanetse gore re bue ka kgang ya lefatshe, ya kabo ya lefatshe.
Mongwe le mongwe fa a na le lefatshe o na le go akanya botoka, le fa e le gore ga a na madi a go le tlhabolola mo nakong eo o ka le dira ka bonya ka bonya, mme pelo ya gagwe e itshetletse gore o batla go dira se se molemo.
Ke itumelela gore Tona fela jaaka a ne a dumalana le Tona Rre Mzwinila gore ke se ba se ipeileng pele, batho ba a go bewa ditsha, le fa di ise di tsenngwe ditlamelo tsa sennelaruri, gore ba kgone gore ditlamelo di ba fitlhele, le bone ba ntse ba ithusa go ka bona gore ba ka tsibogela kgang e pele.
E tlaabo e se fela kgang ya lefatshe gore ba bo ba le fiwa, e ya go nna le kgang ya lefatshe gore fa gongwe le tsene mo seemong sa gore le ka dirisiwa go ka boloka batho gore ba itirele letseno ka lefatshe leo, dilo di tshwana le title deeds, ke dilo tse mo bogompienong di santseng di le thata go ka bonwa.

Di santse di le thata, di tsaya lebaka, ba bangwe ba tlaabo ba re, kwa khanseleng go na le ba physical planning le surveys, go tsweng foo jaanong go iwa kwa go ba land board.
Ke batla go ikamanya le go dumalana thata le Tona Rraetsho Mzwinila, maloba ke utlwile a bua gore ba na le keletso ya gore physical planners, bone ba surveyors, ba tswe mo local authorities ba ye kwa Lephateng la Kabo Ditsha gore ba tle ba kgone go fefosa dilo tseo.

Fa lefatshe le ka kgona gore le rarabololwe kgang ya lone, go ka nna molemo thata gore batho ba kgone go ungwelwa ka bofefo jo bo rileng.

Kgang e nngwe e ke e ratileng thata e Tona a buileng ka yone ke ya dual carriage.
Bagaetsho, go na le Setswana se se reng metlhala ya khumo e mentsi e tlhoka balatedi.

Ke dumela gore this dual carriage e e kopanyang mafatshe gongwe a le mabedi a le mararo, e tswa kwa Ramatlabama e ya Ramokgwebana, ntswa gongwe go santse go na le tse dingwe ditsela tse di tlaabong di saletse kwa morago, ke yone e ka kgonang go bula go utlwala gore Botswana e le ruri e ka lejwa mo borwa jwa Afrika e le e e ka dirang mafaratlhatlha a tsa mosepele kante logistics hub.
Mongwe le mongwe a itse gore kwa Botswana fa o le teng go na le ditsela tse di siameng, o kgona gore o connect Africa go ya kwa bophirima, botlhaba kante bokone jaaka o bona re setse re na le bo Kazungula Bridge jaana, re na le bo A2 le A3 tse di bulegelang kwa bo Namibia go ya kwa Angola o tsamaya ka ditsela tsone tseo.
Ke tsaya ke re re tshwanetse go simolola go dira mananeo a Puso a matona, a a ka kgonang gore a re okele dilo di le dintsi tse re ka di dirang ka gore fa e le gore o tlaabo o dirile jalo, o tlaa bona dry ports le tsone di simolola di nna teng mo lefatsheng la rona.

Batho ba itse gore fa o drive o tswa kwa bo Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC) le Rwanda, ga go tlhokafale gore o ye kwa bo Cape Town.

Ke gore o tle go folosa dithoto tsa gago mo lefatsheng la Botswana, be cleared gone fa.
Lefelo le tshwana le kgaolo ya ga Rre Moagi la Boatle jaana, le le kopanyang ditsela tsa A1 le A2, e ka nna mafelo mangwe a a ka sologelwang molemo thata ke tsone dilo tse di ka rarabololang letlhoko le letona la ditiro mo lefatsheng la rona.

Kgang e nngwe e tona e ke batlang gore le itebaganye le yone Rraetsho Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, ke ya ditiro.
Bagaetsho, ga gona ope yo o ka se keng a dumalane fela jaaka le ntse le bua batlotlegi gore ditiro mo lefatsheng la rona di kwa tlase thata e bile bana le batsadi ba setse ba tsenwa ke tsebetsebe.

Kana letseno la lelwapa lengwe le lengwe ke lone fela le le ka fetolang itsholelo ya lefatshe la Botswana.

Household income ke yone fela e e leng gore go le gantsi bakanoki le baitseanape ba re fa o setse o bona e siame e lekane, o bo o itse gore itsholelo e ntse e a tokafala thata.
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2 OF 2022) Second Reading (Resumed Debate) Ke dumela gore dilo tse di tlaa re fetolelang gore re kgone go nna le ditiro tse dintsi le go godisa itsholelo ya rona, ke mo gotweng go dira ka bonatla le ka manontlhotlho mo sengweng le sengwe se re se dirang; productivity.
Productivity e Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, re se ka ra e leba fela e le e gotweng go dira ka bonatla kwa tirong; e le ka fa re dirisang ditsompelo ka teng, lefatshe ka fa re le abang ka teng, mabitla le one ka fa re a dirisang ka teng, go leba ka fa re dirisang motlakase le ka fa o fetlhiwang ka teng, go leba ka fa re dirisang nako ka teng.

Morwarre Letsholo o ne a bua ka some proposals tsa go godisa efficiency mme tsone dilo tseo, ke gone fa re tlaabong re bua ka productivity.
Productivity as an input ya kgodiso ya itsholelo, ke sone se re tshwanetseng gore re se ele tlhoko thata gore le mo lelwapeng bana fela fa ba simolola ba gola ba fatlhogo, go itsiwe gore ba apaya se se lekaneng go ka jewa letsatsi lone leo.

Ba itse gore fa go ya go rekwa dijo, go rekiwa tse di lekaneng mo go ba ba tshwanetseng gore ba di je.
Ba itse gore sengwe le sengwe fa se dirisiwa mo lelwapeng, tap ga e a tshwnela gore e tlogelwe fela e dutla kante go nne le eng fela se se ka tswang se ka tsenya tshenyo.

Seo se ka re thusa gore kwa bofelong, re bo re kgona go nna tšhaba e e itsegeng ka go dira dilo ka tshomarelo e e seng kana ka sepe.

Ga go ka ke fela ga re thusa mo go godiseng itsholelo, go ka boa ga re thusa mo go ngokeng ba ba batlang go ikamanya le rona mo go tsa itsholelo.
Ba itse gore fa ba tsile kwano, sengwe le sengwe re se dira ka kelotlhoko le manontlhotlho, le go batla go ungwelwa mo gontsi mo nakong e khutshwane, re dirisa sengwe le sengwe sentle.

Ka jalo fa re ka dira jalo, re ya go bona go nna le tlholo ntšha ya ditiro tse dintsi ka gore go tlaabo go raya gore sengwe le sengwe se re se dirang, se boa se bula lenaneo kante kgoro ya go tsena e e ka rarabololang dikgang tsa go tlhoka itsholelo.

Re bua ka dilo di tshwana le bo agro processing jaana.
Ke selo se re buileng ka sone, le tebelopele ya lefatshe e buile ka sone gore bagaetsho, gongwe ke fe sekai fela re bua ka value additions, ba agro processing jaanong re tsena mo manufacturing jalojalo.

O tlaa itse gore Motswana gompieno fa a rekisa kgetsana ya mmidi jaaka ke kile ka bua mo nakong e e fetileng, o kare gatwe ke bo P150 to bo P200 Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente.
Fa re bua ka value add, gongwe re sa batle gore re e tseye, batho ba e tshabe as if go buiwa ka selo se se thata, se se tlhokegang dithutego tse di rileng.

Ke gore motho o tshwanetse go itse gore fa a robile mmidi, o tlhokega mo go kana ka eng e le sejo.

E re a rekisa mmidi o go bo gotwe P200, a bo a ngongorega a re ah!
ke lemile thata mme gatwe kgetsana e ke P150 kante P200, o tshwanetse gore a batle metlhale mengwe ya go oketsa boleng jwa mmidi o. Sekai; e ka nna go dira tšotlho a e omeletsa, a bo a e export gore e ye go dira dilo tse dingwe tse di farologaneng.

Kana tšotlho fa o reka kopi fela e e leng gore it is about 10 grams, ke bo P10.
Maloba fa ke calculate, ke ne ka bona gore fa o rekisa kgetsana ya mmidi o e dirile gore o apeye mmidi o o bo o o omeletsa, o ka felela e le gore o bona P2000 mo kgetsaneng e le nngwefela.

Ke yone value addition e re tshwanetseng go simolola go bua le Batswana, ba itse gore there are those value additions.

Ga se popcorns fela le go dira tse dingwe tse gongwe di tlhokanang le machines e e kalokalo.
E nngwe e ke batlang go bua ka yone Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, ke privatisation jaaka gone go buiwa ka gore dingwe tsa dikompone tsa Puso di ya go fokodiwa, tse dingwe di ya go kopanngwa go oketsa gore go nne le bonatla le go dira ka botswapelo, e santse e le yone productivity.
Se sengwe se ke batlang gore ke se iteele kobo moroko ke gone gore privatisation of education institution; go simolola mo primary, secondary, go ya teng kwa universities, ke dumela gore jaaka le itse fela gore batho ba dumela gore fa bana ba bone ba tsena kwa English Medium ba bona thuto e e botoka, mme le itse fela gore fa go ya go kopanwa kwa university, le bone ba ba tswang kwa Tswana Medium le ba ba tswang kaekae, ba felela ba pasa le bone, fa gongwe e bile ba dira botoka.
Kgangkgolo fela ke gore bana ba hatlhosiwa mo dilong di le dintsi ka gore batho ba a bo ba nnile le letseno le le botoka, e bile ba dira sekole seo e le business, e se mo gotweng ke a bereka fela Puso ke yone e tsenyang bana ba.

Go felela go nna le efficiency le effectiveness ya go ka ruta bana le yone productivity e ke neng ke bua ka yone.

Gongwe Tona fa o ntse o lebile, go tabogelwe e bile go itlhaganelelwe gore dikole tsone tse, let them be privatised.
If they are privatised, go raya gore Goromente o tlaa thusa ka letseno dingwaga gongwe tsa ntlha, a ntsha madi a batla gore sekole se ntshe maduo a a ntseng jaana, re batla gore bana ba le kana ba bo ba tsena mo sekoleng se mme ba rutwe dilo tse di tsamaelanang le tse re dumalanang le tsone re le lefatshe.

O tlaa simolola o bona jaanong go nna le maduo a a tswang a le mantsi.
E bile gongwe le madi bangwe le bangwe ba lebelela go a somarela gore ba tle ba kgone go nna le letseno le le botoka, e le bone ba ba tsenang dikole tseo.

Gape ba itse gore fa ba sa ntshe maduo a a botoka, batho ba ka se ke ba ye kwa dikoleng tsa bone ka gore ba tlaabo ba itse gore ga di ntshe maduo a a botoka.

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2 OF 2022) Second Reading (Resumed Debate) Skills development; bagaetsho, the future of this economy, ke gore go simolole go tsena e bile batho ba lemosiwe gore vocational training skills ke tsone tse di ka re bolokang go ya kwa pele.

O tlaa bona lefatshe lengwe le le kwa bokone jwa lefatshe la rona, e sale le aparetswe ke mathata a mantsintsi mme batho ba lone ba tletse mo Botswana ba dira dilo tse di farologaneng.
Mongwe o ne a mpolelela gore bangwe ba tlile ba tsamaya ka dinao, fa mapodise a ba sukura ba reka dibaesekele, mo bogompienong mongwe le mongwe wa bone o na le koloi.

Ba dira jalo gore ba nne ba siasia mme ba dirisa skills tsa bone go ka nna le letseno.

O ka ipotsa gore rona fa re ka bo re ne re ka aparelwa ke seru sone seo, batho ba ise ba nne le that resilience kante bopelo thata jwa go ka itirela go ya kwa pele, go ka diragala eng gore go bo go nna jalo.
Ke tsaya ke re fa re ka develop skills; go loga, go dira gardens le ditshipi, go aga ka diatla ke madi.

Le go dira tsotlhe go baakanya ditante, o dira gone mo ga catering mo; skills tsone tseo, batho ba rutwe for conferencing because re buile le mo maitlamong a rona a party gore re batla gore lefatshe le la Botswana, e nne le le okang conferences le exhibitions tse dintsintsi.
Potso ke gore di tlaabo di dirwa ke bomang, e se ka ya nna gore e re kwa bofelelong go bo go tla batho ba mafatshe a sele go dira dilo tse gongwe re ka bong re di ithutetse fa ke setse ke e fa sekai fela, mo go tse di potlana.
Fa ke setse ke ya kwa motsubung rraetsho, kgang e ke batlang go remelela mo go yone, mongwe o ile a bua gore P3 billion Motlotlegi Serame, yo o beetsweng mo budget e go tla go dirisiwa go baakanya dikago tsa Puso le go baakanya tsotlhe tse di amanang le gore di ka thusa gore tsamaiso ya itsholelo e nne yone, (maintenance budget) go seka ga oshaoshiwe.

Go lebaganwe le yone fela gore e yone ke ya Batswana, Batswana ba sekei.
Gape Batswana ba letlelelwe gore fa ba dirile phoso ba tsewe ka lebogo ba bontshiwe go fitlhelela ba itse.

Ga go na ope yo e leng gore Motlotlegi Serame o ka thusa go ka pepetletsa Motswana gore a tsene mo seemong se e leng gore se ka amogelesega kwa mafatsheng a mangwe fa re palelwa ke gore re ba amogele jaaka ba ntse.
Re bo re ba thusa, re ba rotloetsa mo tsamaong ya nako gore ba kgone gore e nne batho ba e leng gore ba ka ikemela ka nosi, ba ka dira dilo tse e leng gore di ka ba ungwela, kwa bofelong tsa ungwela itsholelo e. Fa Motswana a relela lantlha fela re mmona in the matter between, segolo bogolo e bile go dira tsone dibanka tsa Puso, fa gongwe go nna thata gore batho ba simolole go nna le confidence, ba simolola go tshaba go tsaya risk because, kana gatwe an entrepreneur is a risk taker.
Jaanong fa o tsaya risk, go raya gore go ka nna ga siama, kante go ka se ke go siame.

Jaanong ke ne ke batla gore re simolole go itebaganya le yone thotloetso ya gore a Batswana re ba rotloetse, ba se ka ba tshaba.

E bo e re kwa bofelelong e bo e le gore ba tshwana le ba bangwe ba re ba bonang ba ntse ka fa ba ntseng ka teng.

Ke batla gore gape ke bue dikgang tse dingwe tse di amanang le kgaolo, mme ke lebile yone budget.

Bagaetsho, jaaka re ne re bua, re a leboga gore constituency funding e tlaa boa.
Bangwe ba boditse gore a e tlaa tla e le madi a mantsi a a fetang a bo P10 million, ee, ke boammaaruri, mme re ne re ntse re lebile diemo tse di teng.

Re itumelela fela gore nnyaa, a a boe, e tle e re Motlotlegi Serame le santse le sekaseka madi le batla go bona gore tota mme gone le ka dira jang ka letseno le le seong le, re tshelela le lefatlhakgofeng, le bo le bone gore segolo rona re bo re ntse re tsweletse mo dikgaolong re thusa Batswana ka ditsholofelo.
Ga re ka ke ra kgona ka P10 million re lebile Batswana ba ba itikileng, ba ba dirang mo lefatsheng le la rona ba duela lekgetho, ba tshwana le Batswana gongwe mo kgaolong ya Gaborone North ba ba kwa Gaborone North Farms.

Ba e leng gore go ne go sena gone fa Puso e ka ba neelang ditsha teng, ba ithekela ditsha ka fa go ntseng ka teng.
Kopo yame e tona ke gore, jaaka re tsena mo lenaneong jaaka e le tsholofetso ya National Development Plan (NDP) 12, ba kgone gore ba akarediwe mo go tsenyetsweng ditsela, metsi, metlakase e e lolameng le mafaratlhatlha a ditlhaeletsanyo.

Le kgopo ya metsi a a leswe jaaka ke buile, le yone e nne teng ka gore ba ntse ba a iteka, mme maiteko a bone ke tsaya ke re Puso e tshwanetse gore e ba iteele legofi ka go ba thusa ka fa ba ntseng ba tshela ka teng.
Gaborone North yotlhe Motlotlegi Serame o aparetswe ke lefifi.

Kana o a itse gore Gaborone North ke yone the entry point ya rona go tswa kwa bo airport go ya kae, Special Economic Zones (SEZ)s le the Diamond Park di mo Gaborone North, le kgolo ya lefatshe la rona, constituency ya Gaborone North e gola ka bokete jo bo hakgamatsang mo e leng gore ba a thusa mo letsenong la itsholelo.
A re lekeng gore go phatsime, e re batho fa ba tsena kwano, ba kgone go bona gore tota Gaborone kgotsa Botswana ke fa o ka beeletsang teng, segolo jang ba lebile tsone SEZs.

Go se ka sa nna fela jaana, e re motho a tswa mo dijarateng kgotsa mo factory tse ditonatona, go bo go nna lefifi.

Ke tsaya ke re ke dilo tse re tlaa bong re ntse re di lebile go ya kwa pele.

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2 OF 2022) Second Reading (Resumed Debate) Mo go tsa Thuto, ke tsaya gore go tshwanetse gore go dirwe go le gontsi, go okediwe classrooms.

Mo nakong ya gompieno, junior schools le primary schools have oversubscribed.

Bana ba le bantsi ba tsenela mo ditlhareng ka gore go nnile le kgolo ya batho, mme go sa nne le kgolo ya ditlamelo.

Ka jalo, ke tsaya ke re re tlaa nna re itebagantse le dikgang tse gore e re kwa bofelong, ba tle ba kgone go tsena dikole.
Barutabana ba setse ba lapile, ba ruta classes tse di ntsi mme ga go na didirisiwa.

Ke tsaya gore Rre Molao a thusanya le wena, o tlaa tsibogela kgang eo.

Airport road le yone ke tsaya gore e tshwanetse e nne tsela e e bulegang, e e lesedi, gore go bonale gore e ka bidiwa gotwe Teemane Road, ka gore tota re lefatshe le e leng gore go tlaabo go tla Diamond Park.
E re e bidiwa gotwe Teemane Road, jaana go bo go bonala gore go tlhoafetswe gore lefatshe la rona le oke bojanala jalojalo, le batho ba e leng gore ba ka tla go beeletsa mo go lone.

Ka jalo, ke a leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente.

Ke leboga batho botlhe; Village Development Committees (VDC), barutabana, ka fa ba dirileng ka teng.

Maduo a primary schools tsotlhe tse thataro mo Gaborone North e nnile more than 87 per cent.
Ke tsaya ke re mo nakong e re neng re tshela mo go yone ya COVID-19, sekole se tshwana le Boitumelo Primary School se tsere about 90.2 per cent, sone fela se le nosi, tse dingwe di tsere bo 90 per cent di le tharo, ke maiteko a matona a a supang tshwaragano e e teng ya botsadi le borutabana.

A re direng gore e re kwa bofelong, matsapa a, a se ka a nna a lefela.

E nne gone fa re simololang teng gore re ye kwa pele re le lefatshe la Botswana.

Ke a leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente.


MR SPEAKER: Thank you very much Honourable Member for Gaborone North.

Le rona re lebogile rraarona for your contribution.

Honourable Members indeed, His honour the Vice President was very, very right.

Motlotlegi Balopi, capacity ya gago was very, very low, and indeed, le Batlotlegi Matona we have come to realise gore capacity ya lona ya maranyane e kwa tlase.

Re kopa gore le kope ba lona ba maranyane ba tsholetse capacity ya lona.
Le utwile Motlotlegi Mopalamente wa Ngami, o ne a bua a le clear, loud and very nice.

It is because he is connected to our own capacity mo Palamenteng e bana ba rona ba maranyane ba e tsholeditseng.

Le lona kopang bana ba lona le tsholetse tsa lona.

Your Honour, and Honourable Members, we apologise go bo e ne e sa utlwale sentle.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Capacity ke gofe kana Mr Speaker?

MR SPEAKER: Capacity Honourable Molao go tewa a bandwidth, ke gore mo go dirang gore maranyane a utlwale.
Ke dumela gore kwa Shashe West re na le gone, ke gore o ntse o sa itse leina la teng Honourable Minister.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: O Mokhurutshi.

e tlhalositse MR SPEAKER: Thank you sir.

MR MOABI (TATI WEST): Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

Ga ke itse gore a ke a utlwala, e ntse jang capacity koo Mr Speaker?

MR SPEAKER: It is very nice.

MR MOABI: Ke a leboga.


Tlaa ke bo leboge Mr Speaker, ke go dumedise ke bo ke dumedise Batlotlegi mo Ntlong e. Ke dumedise le bodiredi jwa rona jo bo re thusang ka botswapelo, bodiredi jwa rona jwa mo Palamenteng.

Ke dumedise Batswana ka kakaretso lefatshe ka bophara, ke bo ke dumedisa ba kgaolo e ke tswang kwa go yone ka tsela e e faphegileng Mr Speaker.

Ke ba eleletse masego le matlhogonolo mo letsatsing le la lerato, ba kgaolo ya Tati West.
Mr Speaker, ke lebogela tshono e o e mphileng gore ke tle ke buise tekodiso e re neng re sa tswa go e bewa pele ke Tona wa Madi Motlotlegi Serame.

Tota ke malebo.

Le fa ntswa ba etle ba re fe maina ba re bitsa bo Ramalebogo le bo Mma Malebogo, ga re dinako tse dingwe fa motho a dirile bontle, a lebogiwe gore motho le ene kamoso a tie a itse gore tiro e a e tshwereng re se ka ra bo re ntse re le batho ba ba ngongoregang fela.
Ke batla go leboga Motlotlegi Serame ka fa a neng a re baya pego ya gagwe e e tlhapileng pele.

E bile re motlotlo ka ene re le ba party ya Domkrag go bo re na le batho ba bomme ba ba tshwanang le ene.

Fa o ka lelebela Ntlo e ya rona e, Mapalamente a bomme ke batho ba ba tswang mo party e e busang, go lebega fa re na le tshepho mo go bone.

Ba diphathi tse dingwe ga ba na tshepho mo bathong ba bomme, ke gone ka moo fa o ka lebelela, batho ba bomme ba teng mo party ya rona fela.
Re sa ba fe maemo fela, re ba fa maemo ba na le bokgoni le boikarabelo jo bo rileng.

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2 OF 2022) Second Reading (Resumed Debate) MR HIKUAMA: Point of order.

Ke ne ke re re busetse Honourable Member wa Tati West mo tseleng, go lebega a dule mo tseleng.
O bua ka batho ba specially nominated, a re ba tlhophilwe ke phathi ya bone, ba tlhophilwe ke Tautona a na le boikarabelo jwa gagwe, o latlha setšhaba.

Ba tlhophilwe ke President ka dithata tse a nang le tsone e seng bone, re bo re ba tlhopha re le mo Palamenteng.

Ga ba ise ba tlhophiwe ke bone, o latlha setšhaba.

MR SPEAKER: You have made your point Honourable Member, thank you very much.
The correct statement ke gore Batlotlegi Mapalamente a bomme ba le buang ka bone, ga ba a tlhophiwa ke Motlotlegi Rraetsho Tautona, ba tlhophilwe ke Palamente.

Tsamayang le ye go bala tsamaiso ya bone sentle le tlaa utlwa gore jaaka Motlotlegi Rraetsho Ramogapi a bua, le lona le mo teng le ba tlhophile.

MR MOABI: Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

Ka fa go ntseng ka teng, jaaka ke ne ke sa tswa go bua, ke ne ke batla go supa fa re lebogela pego e re sa tswang go e bewa pele.
E bile re na le tshepho jaaka re na le boMme Mma Monnakgotla ba e leng gore maDomkrag kana setšhaba sa Hukuntsi ba ba romile ba ba tshepha.

Gongwe Mr Speaker, ke santse ke simolola, ke kopa o ntetlelele ke tle ke nopole mafoko a ga Professor Arthur Mutambara, a former Deputy Minister wa Zimbabwe.

MR SPEAKER: Do quote Honourable Member.

MR MOABI: “Women are better managers than men.

Women are better leaders than men.


When we empower women, we are not doing them a favour but we are doing ourselves a favour as a country.” Ke ne ke batla go supa fa re dira jalo, re na le tshepho mo bathong ba bomme ba na le bokgoni jo bo rileng.

Ke batla go tlhatswa kgang e e neng e sa tswa gongwe go buiwa ke motlotlegi wa nkgonne, wa tsala ya me Honourable Hikuama.
Ke tswelele fela jalo ke go leboge Honourable Serame, gongwe malebo a me ke a fetisetse mo bathong ba bomme ka fa ba neng ba eme ka dinao, ba go ema nokeng ka teng.

Ba ne ba gorogile gone fa, le ba e leng gore gongwe ga ba a goroga ba le kwa malwapeng, ba ne ba itumeletse ka fa o neng o ala mafoko ka teng.

Ke dilo dingwe tse re di lebogelang, re bona batho ba bomme ba emane nokeng ka fa ba neng ba eme ka teng.
Mr Speaker, gongwe lefoko la me la bofelo ke bua ka batho ba bomme, ke tle ke bue le bone gore ke nako ya gore le bone ba emane nokeng fa motho wa mme a neetswe maemo.

Re a tle re bone ka bontsi gongwe batho ba bomme ba sa emana nokeng.

Ke ne ka lemoga maloba fa batho ba bomme ba gompieno, ba kgona go emana nokeng, ke fete ka yone Mr Speaker.

Mr Speaker, re a leboga ka fa Mme Serame a re beileng pele ka teng ka kgaogano ya madi.
Ke na le tshepho e e seng kana ka sepe mo go ene, o e beile ka fa a e beileng ka teng, a e tlisa a tlhaloganya se a se dirang.

A lebeletse se se leng teng kana se a se tshwereng mo sepatšheng sa gagwe.

Ga ke na bothata le gone, ke a mo akgola mme ke na le matshwenyego Honourable Speaker ka maphata a a busang madi ngwaga le ngwaga.

Tona Serame o ntshitse madi gore a tle a ye go bereka, a ye go tlhabolola lefatshe, a ye go dira ditiro, projects di nne teng, batho ba tle ba bone ditiro.
Matshwenyego a me, ngwaga le ngwaga Tona Serame, re bona maphata a busa madi.

Ke batla go kopa Ntlo e gore go ya pele madi ka fa a busiwang ka teng ke maphata, go tlaare gongwe Accounting Officers le bone e re ba busa madi jalo, ba tle ba tseelwe dikgato.

Gompieno ke bua le wena jaana madi a busitswe ngwaga o o neng o feta, mme fa o ka lebelela kwa kgaolong e ke tswang kwa go yone, re lela ka letlhoko la tsela ya Gulubane-Masingwaneng- Mambo-Sechele e e tsenang e le fa Letsholathebe e ya Makaleng.
Go dingwaga re lela ka tsela e, mme re santse re bona madi a kgona go busiwa a sa bereka.

Go na le tsela ya bo Mbalambi-Sekakangwe e e welang kwa Zwenshambe e ya bo Gambule, mme re santse re bona madi a kgona go busiwa.

Ke sone se ke reng a Accounting Officers ba maphata a a busang madi, ba tseelwe dikgato tse di rileng ka lebaka la gore re santse re bona mo dipateleng go sena dipilisi le melemo in the clinics, mme re bona maphata a busa madi.
Ke ne ke re go dira jalo, re tlaa tshwanelwa ke go emela ka dinao kgang e e tshwanang le e. Se ke se lemogileng fa o ka busa madi ngwaga o, ngwaga o o tlang ba go fa madi a a tlhaelang ka lebaka la gore ba lemogile fa o sa kgone go dirisa madi.

Ke dingwe tse ke batlang gore re tle re di lebelele Mr Speaker.

Mr Speaker, go na le kgang ya projects, projects ga di fele ka nako, o fitlhela di sa fele sentle.
Ke dingwe tsa dikgang tse ke batlang go kopa Ntlo e gore fa project e sa fele ka nako, Accounting Officer le ene o tlaa tshwanelwa ke gore a tseye boikarabelo, a arabele melato ya gore ke eng project e sa fela ka nako.

Re e tle re bone re senyegelwa ke madi a setšhaba konteraka e sa fetse project ka nako.

Sekai, gongwe ke e fa ya metsi ya Ntimbale, go lebaka e tshwanetse gore e ka bo e fedile, mme ga e ise e fele.
Go tlaa tshwanela ke gore re tle re eme ka dinao, re bone gore batho ba ba tshwanang le ba ba projects tse di sa feleng ka nako, go ka dirwa eng ka bone.

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2 OF 2022) Second Reading (Resumed Debate) Mr Speaker, fa ke ntse ke tsweletse fela jalo, ke batla go tsena mo Lephateng la Botsogo.
Gongwe pele ga ke tswelela, ke tle ke ba leboge ba botsogo le bone ba ba neng ba ntse ba tshwere bokete, Tona Dikoloti le monnao ka tiro gongwe e le mogoloo ka matsalo.

Ke batla go le leboga Matona, le ne le tshwere bokete, go se motlhofo, mme fela le ne la ema ka dinao le batlela lefatshe le melemo.

Ba ba neng ba ithaya ba re gongwe ga le bereke jaaka ba ne ba e tle ba di bue, re ne ra bona jaanong ba didimetse, ba lemogile fa melemo e goroga.

Le tshwanelwa ke malebo e bile re le tiise.


Ke lemogile fa le filwe madi a a botoka mo maphateng a mangwe.

Se ke batlang go feta ka sone ke gore fa le filwe madi a a tshwanang le a le a filweng a, le se ka la bo la lebala ditlhabololo tse le di solofeditseng tsa clinics kwa kgaolong ya me; kwa Zwenshambe, Gulubane, Masingwaneng le Mambo fela jalojalo.
Jaaka re ne ra solofetsa kwa Zwenshambe ngwaga o o neng o feta, a re ye go aga clinic eo mo mading a ke a bonang a. Mr Speaker, fa ke ntse ke le mo Lephateng le la Botsogo, ba lela ka boroko, ga ba na boroko mo dikokelwaneng tsa kgaolo e ya me.

Fa o ka lebelela gompieno jaana, o ya clinic bosigo, o tlaa fitlhela mooki a nna kgakala le kokelwana mo molwetse a felelang gongwe a latlhegelwa ke botshelo.
Ke tseela gore gongwe nako e gorogile ya gore baoki le bone ba agelwe matlo fa ba ka nnang teng gore fa molwetse a goroga bosigo, a bo a ka bona thuso ka bonako jo bo rileng Mr Speaker.

Kgang ya boroko gongwe le yone re tle re e lebelele, ke a itse ke letlhoko, mme a re lebeleleng baoki ba rona, re ba akanyetse gore gongwe ga re ka ke ra ba fa 15 per cent allowance ya boroko.

Ke tseela gore go dira jaana le gone, re tlaabo re dirile gore ba tle ba tsenye mashetla mo tirong ya bone.
Mr Speaker, kgaolo e ke tswang kwa go yone dikokelwana tsotlhe re lela ka dipilisi.

Ga go na dipilisi le melemo, mme ke kopa lephata le jaaka le filwe madi jaana, a le ko le tle le itsose.

Re se ka ra bona batho gompieno jaana go sena dipilisi tsa bo high blood, fa o ka tsena mo dikokelwaneng tsotlhe, ga go na dipilisi.

Ke dingwe tse ke batlang gore gongwe lephata le le tle le di emele ka dinao, dipilisi tsa high blood jaaka le ne le eme ka dinao le batla vaccine ya COVID-19 batlotlegi bo Tona.
Fa ke tsena mo Lephateng la Local Government, ke a leboga jaaka gongwe ke ne ke sa tswa go supa batho ba bomme ba na le bokgoni.

Ke batla go lebogisa Mothusa Tona Talita Monnakgotla, e le mongwe yo re boneng a tsena mo lephateng le.

Re solofetse go le gontsi mo go ene, ka e bile ke motho yo o tlhaloganyang dikgang tsa settlements.

Ke dingwe tse re di lebogelang.

Mr Speaker, ba kgaolo ya me ba kile ba nthoma ba kopa kokeletso ya madi a Tandabala le a VDC.
Jaaka le tlhaloganya, ba kgaolo ya me kana lefatshe ka bophara, fa go na le boeteledipele jwa lefatshe jo bo utlwang, e rile le nthomile go tsenyetswa lemmenyana ka tla ka rola kgang jaaka le nthomile.

Ra nna fa fatshe, Khuduthamaga ya ga Tautona ya nna fa fatshe.

Le fa go ne ga tlhaela, re lesego re na le Tautona yo o kutlwelobotlhoko yo o tlhaloganyang dilelo tsa batho, la kgona go tsenyetswa lemmenyana la P100.
Le fa mongwe Mopalamente a ne a tlhobosa, ka bone ga ba nke ba dumela sepe, ke batho ba ba nnang ba tlhobosa, ba tsaya gore madi jaaka ba ne ba supa P1 500, o ka bonwa fela motlhofo.

Ke batla go raya Batswana ke re, lemme ga le bolaye.

P100 ke yo wa Tandabala.

VDC jaaka le ne le atle le nthome le lelela ka fa le neng le lela ka teng, P100 ke yo.
Parent Teachers Association (PTA) ke a itse le santse le na le selelo ka fa le lelang ka teng, mme fela ke batla go le raya ke re selo se gotweng ditlhabololo se tla ka nako e e sa tshwaneng.

Jaaka re ne re leketse ba VDC le Tandabala, ba PTA le lona e tlaa re go ntse go tsweletse le tlaa tla le akanyetswa gore le tle le kgone go bona bonnyennyanenyana.

Ke batla go lebogele P10 million, ke dingwe tse re ntseng re lela ka tsone.
Re ntse re bua re batla ditlhabololo re tshepile P10 million, ke tsaya gore fa re ntseng re tlhaela teng re le dikgaolo, re tlaa kgona go tlhabolola fa re tlhabololang teng Mr Speaker.

Mr Speaker, kwa Masunga jaaka ke ne ke sa tswa go bua maloba fa, ga re na fire station.

Go lebaka re ntse re bua ka yone, mme go se nko e e tswang lemina.
Fa o ka lebelela dikago tse di teng mo Masunga kana mo kgaolong e, fa di ka ba tsa tshwarwa ke molelo ka letsatsi lengwe, re ya go iphitlhela re latlhegetswe ke millions of Pula.

Ke sone se ke reng gongwe fa re ka nna le fire station, le Tutume ka o gaufi le Masunga, setima molelo se tlaa tswa mo Masunga se ya Tutume.

A re tleng re lebelele kgang ya fire station ya Masunga.

Decentralisation Policy Mr Speaker, re e emetse mo Ntlong e re tle re e eme nokeng.
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Decentralisation Policy ke tsaya gore e ya re thusa, re ya go bona bagwebi ba ba botlana mo dikgaolong tsa rona go rekwa mo go bone, re sa tlhole re eme re re re tlaa bona mahura a a tswang kwa Gaborone Mr Speaker.
Mr Speaker, fa ke tsena mo Lephateng la Ditsela, ke atle ke supe ke re, fa dingwe di dirwa sentle o tshwanetse wa di itumelela kana wa di lebogela.

Tsela e ke neng ke lela ka yone ya Tshesebe-Masunga-Mosojane e tsweletse.

Ke batla gore ke go akgole Tona le botsamaise jwa lefatshe le.

E rile re le ba kgaolo ya Tati West re lela ka tsela e, ra bona e goroga.

Ya Ramokgwebana le yone e ntse e tsweletse, e a fela.

Selo se gotweng ditlhabololo ga se nke se fela, e bile ga di nke di lekana.
Ke santse ke lela ka tsela e ya Gulubane-Masingwaneng-Mambo.

Batho bale go lebaka ba lela ka tsela e re neng re e solofeditswe gotwe e tlaa nna teng.

Fa re dira National Development Plan (NDP) 12, a re sekasekeng re bone tsela ya Gulubane-Mambo-Masingwaneng- gore Sechele ya Mbalambi-Kalakamati-Gambule- Gungwe-Zwenshambe, ka go lebaka, e bile e dirilwe moalo, a e tle e tsenngwe mo NDP 12.

Le rona re tle re ipone re tsamaya mo sekontereng.


Metse e o utlwang ke e balolola, ke ditsela tse di ralalang metse e e seng kana ka sepe.

Tse dingwe ke dikgang tse di ngomolang pelo Mr Speaker le Mr Speaker, ke batla go lebogela tsela ya Ramatlabama- Ramokgwebana.

Fa ke leboga jalo, ke kope ke re fa dikompone tsa Batswana di tle di fiwe tshono.

Re se ka ra bona dikompone tsa batswakwa e le tsone tse di fiwang ditiro.
Re ne re na le dikompone tsa bogologolo tse re neng re di itse e le tsa Batswana, mme malatsi a ga di sa tlhole di le teng ka lebaka la gore ga di sa tlhole di fiwa tshono ya go fiwa ditiro.

Go dira jalo o tlaa fitlhela gore ba re ba fang ditiro ba ba tswang kwa ntle, ba tsaya madi ba a isa kwa mafatsheng a bone.

Tsela e e tlaa dirwang e Mr Speaker, ke batla ke kope gore a ditsela tse di dirwe ke Batswana.

Fa di ka dirwa ke Batswana, ke tsaya gore le ditiro di tlaa a di dirwa, di tlaa nna teng.
Nako tse dingwe fa batswakwa fa re ba fa ditiro, ba tla le batho ba bone.

Ke dingwe tse di amang, tse o fitlhelang re tshwenyega ka tsone.

Mr Speaker, fa ke tsena mo Lephateng la Kabo ya Ditsha le Metsi, ba kgaolo ya me re lela ka ditsha.

Sale re bewa ditsha ka bo 2012, akanya gore gompieno re na le 10 years mo kgaolong ya me yotlhe re sa bewe ditsha, mme e le dilo tse re lelang ka tsone malatsi otlhe.

Le Tona a itse matshwenyego a rona, a itse gore golo mo go dirwa ke eng.
Tona, madi a o a filweng a ke a bonang a le botoka a, a ko o ye go thusa batho ba Tati ba tle ba fiwe ditsha.

Tona gongwe fa ke santse ke le foo, jaaka o ne o tle o lemoge gore nako tse dingwe golo moo go dirwa ke go sa lomogana le dikgang, o fitlhela ditiro tsa gago tse dingwe di le kwa Local Government, ba bangwe ba gagwe ba le kwa Tourism.

A ko o dire gore batho ba ba tsene mo lephateng la gago, Physical Planners di tle mo lephateng la gago, ba ba kwa Tourism ba tle mo lephateng la gago.
Re tlaa iphithela ditiro di dirwa di fela, e bile batho ba fiwa ditsha nako e le teng.

Bana ba godile, re santse re bona bana ba ba berekang ba nna mo malwapeng le batsadi, mme e se ka maikaelo e le lebaka la kgang ya ditsha, ba sa fiwe ditsha ka nako.

Mr Speaker, Tati Land Board e tshwere bokete.

Ke batla ke akgole board gotlhe le bodiredi, ga e kgone e a imelwa.
Re kopa sub land board kwa Tati Siding, go dira jalo go ya go thusa sub land board e e tlaabong e le mo kgaolong ya ga nkgonne Dr Letsholathebe.

E ya go dira gore batho ba bo Matopi, Matsiloje jalojalo, ba kgone go bona dithuso mo Tati Siding.

Go dira jalo go tlaabo go dira gore ba kgaolo e ya me ka kwa, le bone ba kgone go bona dithuso ka bonako, ka gore go tlaabo go sena dipitlagano tse di kalo.

Ke tsone dikgang tse ke batlang go di go kopa Mr Speaker, sub land board re e bone mo North East Mr Speaker.
Mr Speaker, re na le letamo la Ntimbale.

Ga gona tsela go ya Ntimbale, mme ke letamo le le thusang dikgaolo tse di seng kana ka sepe; Shashe West, Nkange le Tati East ba nwa mo teng.

Re kopa botoka go tle go dirwe tsela e e yang kwa letamong.

Fa dipula di na nako tse dingwe, o fitlhela batho ba sa kgone go nwa metsi ka lebaka la gore ga gona ditsela.

A Tona a tle a e lebe kgang e, a tle a bone gore ka bofefo jo bo rileng a ga go ka ke ga tsenngwa tsela e e yang kwa letamong.
Re bona matamo a mangwe a a dirilweng, a ke ka se keng ka a balola ka maina le a itse, go dirilwe dikontere go ya kwa go one.

Jaanong ke ipotsa gore ke eng ya Ntimbale le ka se ke la tsenngwe sekontere jaaka matamo a mangwe Mr Speaker.

Mr Speaker, ke tsena mo Education.

Jaaka ke ne ke atle ke lele mo Ntlong e, bana ba rona ba santse ba tsamaya 14 kilometres (km) ka dinao, kwa Manjane, Pelaelo, Ramoja le Maruje ba tsamaya 10 km ka letsatsi.

Golo moo go tlhomola pelo.


Jaaka re ntse re dira dithulaganyo tsa NDP 12, re lebe gore a mme ga go ka ke ga dirwa mantlo a ba ka nnang mo go one, ba se ka ba tsamaya sekgele se se kana.

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2 OF 2022) Second Reading (Resumed Debate) Mongwe o ne a sa tswa go bua gore bana ba rutelwa kwa ntle.

Ke nnete ke dumalana le ene, bana ba rutelwa kwa nte ka lebaka la gore ga go na fa ba rutelwang teng.
Ke dingwe tse re solofelang gore bana le barutabana ba dire sentle kwa sekoleng, mme ba ka dira sentle jang fa bana ba rutelwa kwa ntle.

Ke gone ka moo fa o lebelela maduo a rona, o fitlhela a sa kgatlhise ka lebaka la gore bana ba rutelwa kwa ntle, a classrooms di tle di dirwe.

Re kile ra solofetswa gore caravans di tlaa tla, le gompieno ga di ise di goroge.

Ke dingwe tse di tshwenyang Mr Speaker.

Masunga o setse a godile Mr Speaker... HONOURABLE MEMBER: Elucidation.

MR MOABI: I yield Chief Whip.


MR KABLAY: Point of elucidation.

Thank you Mr Speaker.

Rraetsho, ke tshwenyegile thata ka bana ba ba tsamayang 10 kilometres (km) every day ka gore le nna mo kgaolong ya me ke yone pina eo.

Jaanong Mopalamente yo o tlotlegang, le ka dirisa madi kana la tsaya sengwenyana jaaka re dirile mo kgaolong ya rona kwa Maratshwane mo go P10 million ba aga two classrooms tseo gore segolo bananyana ba ba kwa tlase ba simolole koo.

Thank you Mr Speaker.


MR SPEAKER: Thank you Honourable Kablay.

MR MOABI: Ke a leboga Chief Whip.

Ke mogopolo o o siameng.

Ke sa tswa go tlhalosa gore re na le dingwaga tse pedi re sa bone madi ao.

Keletso ke yone eo.

Mo kgaolong ya me re eletsa go tlhabolola maobo a rona.

Re santse re dirisa maobo ale a bogologolo a 1970s and 1950s.

Madi a P10 million, ke gore maobo otlhe mo kgaolong ya rona re a tlhabolole ka one.
Magosi, baeteledipele ba rona, ba bo ba na le fa ba nnang sentle teng, le morafe o gorogela fa go bonalang teng.

Sekai; fa o ka lebelela Kgotla ya Jakalas 1, e dule mo diatleng.

Ke tsaya gore fa Tona Serame a ka re akanyetsa mo mading a maloba a a neng a buiwa ke Honourable Hikuama, gongwe ke gone ke ka dirang classes Honourable Chief Whip.

Kgang ya boroko; kwa Masunga Senior barutabana ba lela ka boroko Mr Speaker.

Re na le matlo a boroko a le 55, mme re na le barutabana ba ba fetang 100.
Ke dingwe tse di tlhomolang pelo Mr Speaker.

Re solofela barutabana ba ntshe maduo a a rileng kwa sekoleng, mme ba sa robale sentle.

O fitlhela ba kopanetse ntlo ba le babedi, ba le bararo.

Ke dikgang tse di ngomolang pelo gore re tshwanetse ra akanyetsa barutabana ba Masunga Senior.

Ke sekole se se dirang bontle thata jaaka o ne o bona ngwaga o o neng o feta, se tsere number one.

Dinako tse dingwe fa batho ba dira bontle, re tshwanetse ra ba akanyetsa.
Ba se ka ba lela ka matlo a boroko jaaka o kare ga re utlwe, e bile ga re itse.

Ke tsaya gore Tona o a itse, o kile a ya kwa go bone.

Mr Speaker, fa ke tsena mo Lephateng la Temothuo, maiteko a teng re a bona.

Re santse re lela ka kgang ya dipeo.

Re bona dipeo di goroga morago ga nako.

Ke tsaya gore ngwaga o, a ko re itekeng, re bone peo e goroga ka October, e sa goroge ka December jaaka go diragetse maloba.

Fa ke santse ke le mo temothuong, kwa re bonang dijo teng ga go na ditsela.
A dithulaganyo di dirwe ke lephata le, ditsela di dirwe kwa re bonang dijo teng.

Re santse re bona kwa kgaolong e ke tswang kwa go yone kwa Mosojane, go na le kwa go sa fetegeng teng fa dipula di na.

Mme ra re batho bao ba re fe dijo, ba jese lefatshe, mme kwa ditseleng re bo re ba lebala Mr Speaker.

Ke tsaya gore Tona o reeditse, o tlaa bona gore dikgang tsa ditsela tse di yang masimo kana tse di yang kwa re bonang dijo teng, di ka dirwa ka tsela e e ntseng jang.
Integrated Support Programme for Arable Agriculture Development (ISPAAD) le yone e re emetse, go lebakanyana e ntse e sekasekiwa.

Ke kile ka bua ka re kwa ke tswang teng, ga re na matamo.

Ke eletsa gore e re e lejwa sesha jaana, re bo re na le kgang ya gore batho ba epelwe matamo.

Mr Speaker, mo kgaolong ya me re santse re lela ka dikgang tsa motlakase.

Go na le metse mengwe kwa Gambule kwa go senang motlakase teng.
Ke solofela gore Tona jaaka a filwe madi a a tshwanang le a, ke bona a le botoka Honourable Moagi.

Ke tsaya gore transformers o tlaa di oketsa.

Kwa Zwenshambe kwa Kgotleng ya Matshameko ke etle ke bue ka yone, ke na le tshepo le tumelo ya gore transformers di tlaa rekwa.

Ga re sa tlhole re eletsa go bona batho ba a nwa metsi mo dinokeng, ba santse ba tshuba ka dikerese mo nakong e. Ke tsaya gore ke dikgang tse di utlwisang botlhoko.
Ke a mo itse e bile ke a mo tshepa gore e tlaare a tswa gone fa, kgang e o tlaa batla go itse gore ke bua ka ga eng.

O tlaa thusa Rre Tona Moagi.

Mr Speaker, kgang e nngwe e e tswang kwa kgaolong ya me ke ya letlhoko la ditiro.

Letlhoko la ditiro le ile magoletsa e seng mo kgaolong ya me fela, lefatshe ka bophara.

A re eme ka dinao jaaka re kile ra re re tlaa dira ditiro.

A re emeng ka dinao re di dire.

Re a bona kwa Panda le airport go a lekwa.


Special Economic Zones (SEZs) e a leka, e e mo lephateng la ga Rre Kgafela.

A 30 Hansard No 205Monday 14th February, 2022APPROPRIATION (2022/2023) BILL, 2022 (NO.

2 OF 2022) Second Reading (Resumed Debate) re emeng ka dinao projects tse di fele.

Bana ba rona ba bone ditiro jaaka re ne re solofetsa gore di tlaa nna teng.

Ka fa ke tshepang ka teng Puso e, ditiro di tlaa nna teng jaaka re kile ra re di tlaa nna teng Mr Speaker.
gotwe Water Utilities e duetse P121 million, kana ke yone tshenyetso-setšhaba.

Madi ao a ka bo a agile tsela ya kgaolo ya gago.

Ke a go leboga rra, o e tshwere sentle.

Mr Speaker, kgang ya me ya bofelo ke ya corruption.

Re etle e re fa re e bua mo Ntlong e, e bo e fitlhelwa e kare e dirwa ke Mapalamente a Domkrag.

Ba kganetso fa ba e bua, ba e bua e kare e dirwa ke bangwe.

Ke dingwe tsa dikgang tse e leng gore fa re bua ka corruption di a re dia, ka re supasupana ka menwana.
O a itse Honourable Ramogapi, my brother, gore corruption ga e nke e kwalwa mo phatleng ya motho gotwe o a e dira.

Re a e dira gone mo Ntlong e. Ba bangwe ba ba e dirang, ga e nke e kwalwa mo diphatleng tsa bone, mme ba supa Mapalamente a mangwe.

A mongwe le mongwe mo Ntlong e, a lwe le corruption, yo o bapileng le ene a bue ka yone, a e kgaleme.
Mr Speaker, fa ke bua ka corruption, ke kopa go nopola mafoko mangwe a a kileng a buiwa ke Professor Lumumba Mr Speaker... MR SPEAKER: Do quote Honourable Member.

MR MOABI: “Corruption is most dangerous than civil war.” Mr Speaker, fa re bua ka corruption, e botlhabetsi.

Corruption re se ka ra e bua fela gone fa.

Ke tlaa go fa sekai sa corruption se se tshelang; gompieno jaana madi a a tshwanetseng go dira tsela ya Tshesebe-Masunga, ga a dirisiwa sentle.

Tsela e, e bo e sa fele.


Dikotsi tse di yang go diragala mo tseleng e e sa siamang di ya go nna kae?

Ke tlaa go fa sekai se sengwe, fa re tshwanetse go dira classrooms kana porta cabins, di bo di sa dirwe, mongwe o dirile corruption, o jele madi.

Bana ba e leng gore ga ba na go rutega sentle, ba ya go nna kae?

Re ya go nna tšhaba e e sa rutegang, ka lebaka la gore yo mongwe o bereketse mo pateng.

Ke sone se ke batlang go se bua mo Ntlong e. Corruption ke bona re e bua re e boka.
Ba kganetso ba supa ba party e busang ka monwana, e bile ba re ke bone ba e leng gore... HONOURABLE MEMBER: Elucidation.

MR MOABI: I yield Mr Speaker.

MR MOABI: Ke a leboga Ramogapi.

Ke kopa nako foo Mr Speaker.

MR SPEAKER: One minute.

MR MOABI: Fa re bua ka corruption Mr Speaker, rona kwa Domkrag ra re ope yo o e dirang, a tseelwe dikgato.

Fa re bua ka corruption, ga go na yo re mo sireletsang.

A ke Lephata la Metsi kana la eng, yo o dirang tshenyetso-setšhaba, a tseelwe dikgato.
Re le Mapalamente ba Domkrag, ra re yo o dirang corruption, a tseelwe dikgato.

Ke gone ka mo ke reng lona ba kganetso, le diiwa ke go supana ka menwana.

Rona mo Domkrag re a e lwantsha, mongwe wa rona a se ka a tlogelwa fela.

Ke eletsa lona ba kganetso gore emang ka dinao le lwantsheng corruption.

Bangwe ba lona ba a e dira.

Re itse le nna le e boka, le supana, le diiwa ke gone.

Ke tseela gore le nkutlwile, a re lwantsheng corruption.

Re bone projects di tsena mo dikgaolong tsa rona.


Re bone tshenyetso-setšhaba e boetse morago.

Kganetso, emisang mokgwa wa go supana ka menwana.

Corruption e bonelwa kwa ga lona.

Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

MR RAMOGAPI: Rona ga re je sepe, re ja eng?

Gakere go ja lona ka le a busa.

MR SPEAKER: O a bo o ipaba dipadi tsa eng?

HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… MR SPEAKER: Order!

Honourable Members.

Order, please!


Kana go ne go na le maina a le mabedi, Motlotlegi Rraetsho Mopalamente wa Mahalapye Botlhaba le Motlotlegi Mopalamente wa Serowe Bokone.

Maina a lona a ne a le on board bakaulengwe and there appears Honourable Boko.

What has happened to your name Honourable Boko?

You are supposed to be the next speaker.

MR BOKO: Indeed, I am Mr Speaker.

MR RAMOGAPI: Point of elucidation.

O e tshwere sentle Motlotlegi Moabi ka botswerere jo bo kwa godimo thata.
Gompieno jaana ba Water Utilities gatwe ba duetswe matshebetshebe a madi, mme corruption e nngwe e dirwa ke institution.

Lephata lengwe le tsene mo the tenders le tlaabo le re, “emang, le se ka la fa batho bao tender.” Fa batho ba ya go seka, go tlaabo MR SPEAKER: Please go ahead Honourable Member.

MR BOKO (MAHALAPYE EAST): Thank you so much Mr Speaker.

Mr Speaker, mma ke tseye nako e le nna go ka leka go tsibogela pego e Palamente e e beilweng pele ke Tona Peggy Serame.
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2 OF 2022) Second Reading (Resumed Debate) buile jo bo neng bo tlotlomatsa bomme jwa gagwe ba solofela gore gongwe ke lefeelo le le tlaa feelang go gaisa ka e le mme.
Ke mo kope ke mo reye ke re ke lebogela gore Tautona Masisi o ne a mo tlhopha gore e nne Tona yo o re tshwarelang madi, ke sa itse gore fa a tlhophiwa a mme e ne e le on the basis ya meritocracy kana lepe lebaka fela ka gore go itshupile gore mo Pusong ya ga Domkrag ga go dirisiwe meritocracy.

Go na le mabaka mangwe a a dirisiwang.


Ke a mo tlotla e bile ke a mo tshepha fa ke mo lebile le ka dipuisanyo tse re kileng ra nna natso mo mabakeng a a fetileng le fa golo gongwe a kile a se ka a tsamaya ka tsela e re neng re solofetse gore o ka tsamaya ka yone, ke bua ke dibeke tse pedi tse di fetileng fa re santse re itebagantse (deal) le dikgang tsa bo Financial Action Task Force (FATF) fa re dira le Bills tse di neng di le mo Palamenteng ka lepotlapotla.
Ke mo reye ke re tlaabo re ntse re mo lebile re bona gore a mme o tlaa dira sone se e leng gore re batla gore a se dire, not because she is a woman but because o mo position yone ele, o na le bokgoni jo e leng gore re a bo tlhoka.

I do not expect her to be sing-along like other Ministers of the past.

Ga ke solofele gore she will be a sing-along Minister.

I will be greatly disappointed in her.


I expect her at times to look President Masisi on the face and tell him, “I am not taking this road.” This is what I expect from her.
I expect her at some point in time to say, “I do not agree with the direction that you guys want to take and I step down.” History will not remember her as a woman yo o neng a le mo ofising ya tsa madi, e tshwanetse gore e mo gakologelwe e le motho kana Tona yo o ileng a tla ka some transformations, sengwe se sešha se se neng se ntse se seyo; yo o ileng a fetola lewa kana seemo se se neng se lebega se sa siama.

That is how history should remember.


It should not remember her as a Minister wa motho wa mme yo o neng a tshwere sepatšhe sa lefatshe.

I expect her to be decisive; the ability to make decisions quickly and effectively.

This is what I expect from her and I challenge her to do just that.

I have stated before Mr Speaker, I do not like sing-along myself.

I do not like ba e reng fa pina e tlhabeletswa ba bo ba e opela ka gore gatwe e tlhabeleditswe ke Tautona kana mongwe fela yo mogolwane.
Ke rata batho ba e leng gore fa gongwe they use their faculties and think.
Ga ba emele fela gore go opelwe ba bo ba re “nnyaa, re tsweledisa se motlhabeletsi wa pina a se buileng.” Re a tswelela, re tlaa mo rapelela re mo kopela mo Modimong gore a nne Tona yo o pharologano mme fa a imelwa, fa segakolodi sa gagwe se mo raya se re tsela e gotweng e tsewe e ga ke batle go e tsaya; ga ke dumalane le yone, o tlaa supa seo ka go ithola marapo a nnela fa thoko a ba lebelela ba dira se ba eletsang gore ba a se dira se se tlaabong se kgokgontsha segakolodi sa gagwe.
Mr Speaker, re reeditse Tona mo malatsing a a fetileng fa a re baya pego mme santlha o ne a tlhalosa gore o file Lephata la Botsogo madi go gaisa maphata a mangwe.

Re lebogela seo ka gore issues tsa botsogo mo lefatsheng la rona di ntse di tshwenya fela thata, go simolola fela ka go tlhoka dikokelo mo mafelong a a farologaneng mo lefatsheng le la Botswana.
E seng go tlhoka dikokelo fela, fa gongwe re nna le tsone jaaka re na le sepatela sa Mahalapye and Honourable Tshere o tlaa dumalana le nna, e le sepatela fela se agilwe se le setona se sena ditlamelo, baoki le dipilisi gareng ga tse dingwe.

Re solofela gore mo mading a a tlaabong a ntshiwa a re tlaabong re dumalana le one, go tlaa nna le phetogo ka seemo sa botsogo mo lefatsheng la Botswana ka kakaretso.

Mr Speaker, rona kwa kgaolong ya rona re lela thata ka dikgang tsa botsogo, segolo jang mo go bomme.
Bomme ba kgona go tswa kwa motseng o bidiwa gotwe Makwate and I think it is over 50 or 60 kilometres go goroga kwa sepateleng sa Mahalapye se se belegisang mme ba tsamaya mo tseleng e e leng gore is gravel.
Kgantele ke boditse Tona potso ka tsela yone ya Parr’s Halt e e tswang fela kwa Makwate e ya go lomagana (join) le ya Machaneng, ba dirisa tsela yone e fa gongwe mme a le mo ditlhabing a tsamaya ka koloi ka gore ga ba na madi a go reka dikoloi tse e leng gore gongwe bo Tona ba tsamaya ka tsone tsa lebelo, maikaelelo e le go ya go belegela gone kwa Mahalapye.
Tona, ke re gongwe le ba akanyetse le bone batho ba motse wa Makwate gore gongwe clinic e ba nang nayo e ka se ke ya atolosiwa (expanded) gore ba tle ba kgone go belegisetsa mo go yone.

Go feta le gone foo, gongwe e theogele bosigo botlhe e sa tswale.

Not only that, e nne le baoki ka gore mo nakong ya gompieno, baoki ba ba nnang ba le teng ba nna ba fapaanafapaana, ga ba kgone go ka emelana le dipalo tse dintsi tsa batho ba Makwate ba ba tlhokang thusa ya bongaka, Tona.
Ke tsaya gore ke ne ke batla go feta ka yone.

Ga se gone fela, mafelo a mantsi a a tlhokanang le go ka thusiwa ka dikgang tsa go baakanyetswa clinics kana go agelwa clinics mo lefatsheng ka bophara.

Re a itumela gore jaanong there will be maintenance mo clinics tse dingwe.

Go lebega e le gore new clinics di tlaa agiwa.

Se setona se re se itumelelang ke gore the bulk of these projects di tlaabo di neelwa citizen-owned companies.
32 Hansard No 205Monday 14th February, 2022APPROPRIATION (2022/2023) BILL, 2022 (NO.

2 OF 2022) Second Reading (Resumed Debate) Maloba ke boditse Honourable Kablay potso mme a dumalana le nna gore tota ene fa go ne go ya ka ene ditiro tse tsotlhe di ka bo di neelwa dikompone tse di citizen-owned.

Mr Speaker, o tlaa dumalana le nna gore borakonteraka ba na le dingwaga di ka nna lesome ba ntse ba sa kgone go ka bona ditiro sentle mo lefatsheng la rona; ditiro di sa kgone go tswa sentle.
COVID-19 ya felela e ba bolaile le go feta ya ba feleletsa, bangwe ba bone dikonteraka tsa bone tsa felela di phuphama, bangwe ba gapelwa matlo, dikatakata tsa bone mme bangwe ba mo depression jaaka re bua jaana.

Ke ne ke re Tona a re ba thuseng re ba ntshe mo depression e ba leng mo go yone go ba neela ditiro tse.
Ga go re sepe go ka kgaphela borakonteraka ba mafatshe a mangwe kana dikompone tsa mafatshe kwa ntle ra leka go ka neela bana ba rona ra ba tlhabolola ra tsholetsa matshelo a bone le gore the profits di felele gape di boela mo lefatsheng la rona.

Re lapisitswe ke diemo tse di fetileng go le pele jaaka tsa Khato Civils tse e leng gore didikadike tsa madi di tlaabo di tsewa di bo di neelwa dikompone tsone tseo ba bo ba tsaya madi a teng ba a isa kwa mafatsheng a bone.
Re dumela gore golo gongwe ke tshenyetso-setšhaba e Honourable Moabi a ntseng a bua ka yone a re gongwe kwa Domkrag go buiwa thata ka yone, e a kgalwa.

Ke ipotsa gore o ne a ipuisa eng ka gore o a itse gore kwa Domkrag tshenyetso-setšhaba ga e kgalwe, e direlwa fela mo pontsheng e bile ba e leng gore are involved mo go yone ba itsiwe ka tsela e e ntseng jalo Mr Speaker.

Mr Speaker, ke tsena mo kgannyeng ya thuto.


E Tona a tlhalositseng gore ba mo kakanyetsong kana fa re ya kwa pele batsadi jaanong ba tlaa simolola go duela tertiary fees.

Ga ke itse gore di tlaabo di duelwa ka tsela e e ntseng jang fa batsadi ba rona ba sa bereke.

Ke go fa sekai sa motsadi a le kwa Shakwe kana kwa motseng wa Palla Road, yo re itseng fela gore o tshela ka ka madi a Ipelegeng.
Yo re itseng gore ga se gore kgwedi le kgwedi o a bo a le mo Ipelegeng, mme o eletsa gore bana ba gagwe go e go tsenwa sekole, mme re bo re tla ka ditshutiso kana dikakanyetso tse di ntseng jaana tsa go akanya gore gongwe go ka duelwa madi a gotweng a duelwe a tertiary.
Kwa kgaolong ya me ga se mang le mang yo o ka kgonang go emelana le kgang eo, most of the people in Mahalapye East tota ba tshelela mo lehumeng, lehuma tota la nta ya tlhogo, mo bontsi jwa sebaka motho a kgonang go tswa kana go a go robala le go ja a sa ja kana bana ba sa ja.

Lehuma le re a le tlhaloganya ka gore re le bona ka matlho, ga re le bale mo dibukeng, jaaka bo Tona ba bangwe.

Ga re utlwalele ka lone fa re le mo Kgotla meetings, le fa gongwe by the fire site gatherings, no!
re a le bona ka matlho, re tshela le batho ba teng, le rona re le tshedile.

Ke re Tona kgang e gongwe le tlaa tla le ya go e lebaleba sentle gape.

Ke santse ke le mo go tsa thuto, ke batla go tsaya sebaka se, tota ke ka bo ke simolotse jalo, ka leboga mosetsanyana mongwe kwa motseng wa Mahalapye East kana kwa Mahalapye, e bong Gogontle Atsile Baitirile, yo o tsereng bo A ba le nine a tswa kwa sekoleng sa Pekenene.

Re a mo lebogisa.
Re a mo lebogisa.

Re lebogisa le batsadi ba gagwe ba gongwe ba neng ba tsenya letsogo mo thutong ya gagwe.

Re lebogisa le barutabana ba ba tlhomamisitseng gore sekole se sa Pekenene se kgona go ntsha ngwana yo o nang le bo A ba le nine.

MR SPEAKER: Pekenene Junior Secondary School, I suppose.

MR BOKO: Thank you so much Mr Speaker, ee rra, Pekenene Junior School.

Mme e seng gone fela Mr Speaker, ke batla go leboga le ba Dikgatlho Community Junior Secondary School.
Bangwe ba re ke ba leboga fela ga go na sepe se ba se dirileng, mme fa re gakologelwa maduo a ngwaga o o fetileng ba ne ba le kwa tlase, kwa mokotong, gompieno they have moved so many places up and they have increased even their percentage.
Ke leboge Mogokgo wa Dikgatlho Junior Secondary School, ke leboge Mothusa Mogokgo wa teng, yo e bileng e le ntsalae mme, ke leboge gape le barutabana, batsadi, Kgosi le Motlotlegi Mokhanselara Honourable Tlhopho Gaolathe, yo le ene a neng a tsentse letsogo mo go boneng gore bana ba sekole sa Pekenene ba tswa kwa tlasetlase ba ya golo gongwe kwa godimo.

Ke re Modimo a tswelele a ba sireletse, a ba okeletse.
Le dikole tsotlhe tse di dirileng sentle tsa Mahalapye ke di eleletsa gore e kete di ka tswelela di dira go gaisa jaaka di setse di dirile mo nakong e e fetileng.

Mr Speaker, re itumelela gape gore go tlhalositswe gore jaanong tsela e e tswang kwa Ramatlabama- Ramokgwebana e le dual e tlaa simololwa kana e tlaa diriwa, even though it will be done in stages.

Ga re a bolo go bua ka dikgang tse lebaka le le leele gore go a tlhokagala gore go diriwe jalo.
UDC e ne e bua jalo fa re ya kwa ditlhophong tsa 2019, le pele ga gone moo, gore gone moo go tlaa thusa go tlhamela batho ditiro ka tsela e e ntseng jalo.

Re a leboga, re solofela gore golo mo ga se an empty promise Tona, it is something that you would implement, it is something that you will do go thusa go fokotsa mosuke.

E seng gone fela, le go leka go thusa go tlhamela Batswana ditiro.

Re lebogela kgang ya teng fela thata Tona, ra re a go dirwe jaaka o setse o tlhalositse.
33 Hansard No 205Monday 14th February, 2022APPROPRIATION (2022/2023) BILL, 2022 (NO.

2 OF 2022) Second Reading (Resumed Debate) Mr Speaker, rona batho ba Mahalapye…ke selelo se e leng gore Honourable Tshere o buile ka sone, sa bus rank ya rona e o kareng Puso jaanong e tsere tshwetso ya…kana e re tlhoile, e tlhoile batho ba Mahalapye, e na le letlhoo mo bathong ba Mahalapye.

Mme e a itse gore e ba tlhoetse eng.


Ga e kgone go ka ba thusa ka ditlamelo tse ba di tlhokang, ga e kgone go ba fa madi a a lekaneng.

Ke tlaa fa sekai, and fa ke e fa sekai se ga ke lwe le Honourable Lesaso.

Honourable Lesaso, ke tsala ya me re a utlwana fela sentle.

Re gakgametse re le batho ba Mahalapye gore re na le bus rank e e leng gore buses fa di tla di tswa kwa Francistown, Tswapong le Gaborone di ema gone foo, le fa di tswa gongwe le gongwe.

Ke gore golo fale ke fa buses di ema teng.


Ga di ka ke tsa feta mo Mahalapye di sa ema teng di tswa kwa Maun, mme la palelwa ke go re fa madi a a lekanyeng gore re kgone go ka tlhabolola bus rank re e beye mo seemong se se siameng.

Madi a le neng le a re neetse ga a a ka a lekana.

Ke sone se o bonang go diragetse gape jaaka go diragetse jaana, because fa o ngotla madi o dira gore boleng jwa tiro le jone bo ngotlege, bo nne kwa tlase.
Ke re wa ga rona le re bolelele gore le re tlhoetse eng mo go kanakana, re le jetse eng, re le batho ba Mahalapye as far as dikgang tsa ditlhabololo are concerned?

Le tsere madi otlhe fela la ya go a tshela kwa kgaolong ya ga Honourable Lesaso, ga ke itse gore le ne le a tshelela eng kwa go ene?

Go na le dikakanyetso gore ke eng le ka tswa le ne le a tshela, but ga ke batle go nama ke tsene mo go tsone ka tsela e e ntseng jalo.
Mme ba ga rona a ko le re tseyeng ka tekatekanyo, tota le ne le sa mo reke, ga ke dumele gore le ne le mo reka ka ditlhabololo tsa teng, mme fela go a belaesega gore o kare le ne le mo reka, even though madi a teng a sa tsene mo pateng ya gagwe.

Mme o kare ke jaaka le ne le mo itumedisa, le mo amogela, le mo raya le re, o gorogile mo Kanana jaanong, mma re go neele se se go tshwanetseng, tsaya dilo tsa gago.

It should not be like that.


Re tshwanetse go tlhaloganya gore Botswana o ke wa rona rotlhe, e bile ga re a tshwanela go direla yo mongwe sentle ka mabaka a gore o tlodile legora... (MR FOR PRESIDENTIAL MINISTER AND PUBLIC AFFAIRS, GOVERNANCE ADMINISTRATION MORWAENG): Procedure Mr Speaker.

Ke a leboga motlotlegi, ke leboge Motlotlegi Rre Boko.
Ke re a mme fa re bua jalo, a ga go kgone gore go lebege e kare re mara Motlotlegi Rre Lesaso ka tse e leng gore a ka se lebege sentle fa re re o tshwanetse a bo a ka tswa a rekilwe, go a belaesega?

A mme tota gone a go go ntle gore re bue jalo ka yo mongwe?

Batho ba Modimo e le potso fela gore, gone mme is it procedural go bua mafoko a a kgonang go felela a leswefatsa yo mongwe fa re re re belaela a ka tswa a rekilwe ka ... HONOURABLE MEMBER: O a ba lotlhanya jaanong wena!
MR SPEAKER: A ko o iketle Motlotlegi Mopalamente wa Ghanzi South.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: O tlogetse Moabi a re ke rona ba re corrupt akere.

MR SPEAKER: A ko o iketle Motlotlegi Mopalamente wa Ngami.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Le lona a ko le nne le nna fair.

MR SPEAKER: Iketle pele Motlotlegi Mopalamente wa Ngami.

Honourable Boko, your colleague is not very happy about the way you express yourself about your other colleague, what are you saying about that?

HONOURABLE MEMBER: We are not here to make him happy.
MR SPEAKER: Honourable Keorapetse, you are not invited, please!

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Honourable Lesaso is in the House.

MR SPEAKER: Honourable Mmolotsi, please!

Bagaetsho we still have Honourable Boko on the floor a buisana le mokaulengwe wa gagwe.

There is nothing unprocedural.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: A mme gone Mr Speaker, do we have to make them happy?

MR SPEAKER: Honourable Hikuama, of course we are not fighting here.

Honourable Members have got to be happy to do their work properly.
Honourable Boko, please listen to what your colleague is saying.

MR BOKO: Mr Speaker ga ke bone ke dule mo tseleng kana ke rogane, ke ne ke bua our fears as batho ba Mahalapye.

Ga go bue nna, go bua batho ba Mahalapye, ke bone ba ipotsang gore... tota e bile to answer to what Honourable Morwaeng was saying, gongwe nkabo seemo se ba se hemile sa gore re setse re akanyetsa gore jaanong go a rekwana.

Ba ka bo ba se hemile ka go dira jaana, ba ka bo ba se hemile ka go bona gore ba re neela madi a a lekaneng.
Ga e ka ke ya re motho a le magorogo masha kwa Domkrag re bo re setse re 34 Hansard No 205Monday 14th February, 2022APPROPRIATION (2022/2023) BILL, 2022 (NO.

2 OF 2022) Second Reading (Resumed Debate) utlwa gotwe Shoshong o tletse ka ditsela, Shoshong o tletse ka... ke gore e bile le fa o ka ya kwa Shoshong gompieno Mr Speaker o tlaa fitlhela ditena tse dingwe gotwe tseo ke tse di neng di setse, di tletse fale ga go na se di dirisiwang mo go sone.

Ga go a siama golo moo Mr Speaker.


Ga ke lwe le Rre Lesaso, ga nke ke lwa le ene, ga re ise re ko re lwe go le pele mme fela ke ne ke supa fela gore go a hakgamatsa gore motho e le gone a gorogang, a bo a setse a neelwa maemo ka tsela e e ntseng jalo.

Fela jaaka le wena Mr Speaker, gongwe re hakgametse gore e rile fela o setse o goroga, o bo o neelwa bo Deputy Speaker.

MR SPEAKER: Honourable Boko!

MR BOKO: E se gore ke go... MR SPEAKER: O tswa mo tseleng mokaulengwe.

Confine yourself to your debate.


HONOURABLE MEMBER: Nnyaa mme o mo tseleng.

MR SPEAKER: There is somebody calling for point of order.

Who is that?

Honourable Rakgare, what is out of order?

MINISTER OF YOUTH EMPOWERMENT, SPORT AND CULTURE DEVELOPMENT (MR RAKGARE): Point of order.

Thank you very much.

Mr Speaker, Rre Morwaeng o ne a eme ka procedure, a botsa gore a mme ke gone ka fa tsamaisong gore mokaulengwe a bue jaaka a bua ka Mopalamente yo mongwe.
Jaanong Mr Speaker, I just want to pose this question to you before ke supa gore ke eng se se out of order, gore will you be happy fa e le gore yo o tlaabong a latela, o ka bua ka Mopalamente yo mongwe jalo gore o rekilwe?

That is what Honourable Boko was saying.

I personally think gore he is out of order and he should not... MR BOKO: Nnyaa, keep quiet.

I never said so.

MR SPEAKER: Order!

Honourable Boko... MR BOKO: No, he is wasting our time, let me proceed.
HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… MR SPEAKER: Honourable Boko!

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Mr Speaker, kana go raya gore Lesaso o teng, o tlaa ipuelela.

Ao!

fa o ka re go tewa gore ke semumu jaana.

MR BOKO: He is wasting our time Mr Speaker.

MR SPEAKER: Honourable Boko, the Honourable Member has stood on a point of procedure.

MR SPEAKER: Order!

Order!

Honourable Member for Sefhare-Ramokgonami.

MR BOKO: He is wasting our time.

HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… MR SPEAKER: May we have order.
HONOURABLE MEMBER: Boko o mo tseleng tota.

MR SPEAKER: Honourable Keorapetse, you are supposed to be the oldest Member of Parliament on the opposition side and be exemplary at all times.

I plead for your cooperation and coordination.

Over and above, I plead for your coherence.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: impartiality and fairness.

I plead for your MR SPEAKER: Order Honourable Keorapetse!

Order!

Honourable Boko, motho yo o go itiya tsebe ngwanaka.
MR BOKO: Mma ke tswelele Mr Speaker, a re o kopa gore o nne impartial.

Kana o buile gape ka... HONOURABLE MEMBER: Point of order.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Procedure ya eng e ke neng ke e kopile wa nkgana ka yone.

MR RAKGARE: So Mr Speaker, I think you should rule on this matter, re tle re kgone go tswelela pele.

I strongly believe gore Honourable Boko is out of order and o nna a dira fela jaana Mr Speaker, a mara... MR SPEAKER: You have made your point Honourable Minister.
MR RAKGARE: A roga batho mo Palamenteng and you allow him gore a nne a dira jaana.

MR SPEAKER: You have made your point Honourable Minister.

HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… MR BOKO: Ke rogile mang?

MR SPEAKER: May we have order please!

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Point of order Mr Speaker.

35 Hansard No 205Monday 14th February, 2022APPROPRIATION (2022/2023) BILL, 2022 (NO.

2 OF 2022) Second Reading (Resumed Debate) MR SPEAKER: May we have order bagaetsho!

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Le a bo tlhakatlhakanya Palamente.
le ka MR SPEAKER: Order!

Honourable Hikuama.

Bagaetsho... MR RAKGARE: Please respect Honourable Lesaso.

MR SPEAKER: Honourable Rakgare, you have made your point.

Please, I need to respond.

Please keep quiet.

Honourable Rakgare, I need to respond.

You cannot be talking all the time.

MR SPEAKER: May we have order please.

Honourable Rakgare, you have made your point.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Boko enjoys Section 12 freedom of expression, including holding an opinion.
MR SPEAKER: Honourable Rakgare, you have made your point.

Honourable Rakgare, ntlogele ke bue le Keorapetse.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ee, mo kobe.

MR SPEAKER: Honourable Rakgare, ntlogele ke bue le Keorapetse.

MR RAKGARE: Thank you sir.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Thank you sir.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Mo kobe.

MR SPEAKER: Mo lese.

Bagaetsho, I clarified with our Clerk.

Indeed Honourable Morwaeng stood on a point of procedure.

I had thought it was a point of clarification.


Indeed, it is very much out of order for someone to say o rekilwe.

Motho ga a rekwe, ga a na tlhwatlhwa and I plead with you Honourable Boko, please retract go rekiwa ga ga Honourable Assistant Minister Lesaso and address your colleague properly.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ah!

That is a political point Mr Speaker.

MR SPEAKER: Honourable Rakgare, please, a ko o didimale.

Hei!

Batho ba Jeso.


Honourable Boko, please mokaulengwe ga a itumele, ga re buisane jalo mo Palamenteng.

Ga re ke re re Mapalamente a mangwe a rekilwe.

MR BOKO: Ke wena o reng ga a itumele, ga a ise a ko a bue sepe.

He is here, he can speak for himself.

He never said a word.

MR SPEAKER: Honourable Boko, ke a go kopa gore o boele morago mafoko a o neng o re mokaulengwe wa gago o rekilwe.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: You are conflicted to make a ruling.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: O rekilwe.


HONOURABLE MEMBER: You are conflicted Mr Speaker.

MR BOKO: I never said o rekilwe, we can go to the Hansard.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: You are conflicted, gakere le wena o rekilwe.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: You have also been bought.

MR SPEAKER: O ne o rialo.

MR BOKO: No, listen to me.

I have never said Honourable Lesaso o rekilwe.

We can even go to the Hansard.

I said go na le dipelaelo.

MR SPEAKER: May we have order please!

May we have peace please!


MR SPEAKER: You are implying.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: O a bo o ka simolola.

MR BOKO: Ke dikakanyetso.

MR SPEAKER: Honourable Boko, your colleague is... HONOURABLE MEMBER: No, he cannot retract that thing, it is a political statement.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: O gane Boko.

O rekilwe motho yo gotweng Lesaso yoo.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ga go re sepe Mr Speaker.

Kante freedom of holding opinion e kae jaanong?

MR SPEAKER: Honourable Keorapetse, please!


HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Murmurs)… HONOURABLE MEMBER: Mr Speaker, koba Keorapetse.

MR SPEAKER: Ga ke lwe epe ntwa ya Mapalamente, ke kopa re buisane sentle.

Honourable Boko.

36 Hansard No 205Monday 14th February, 2022APPROPRIATION (2022/2023) BILL, 2022 (NO.

2 OF 2022) Second Reading (Resumed Debate) HONOURABLE MEMBER: Nnyaa Mr Speaker, a ko o se ka wa intsha prefect.

MR SPEAKER: Honourable Motsamai, what are you saying?
MR SPEAKER: A ko o iketle pele Honourable Kekgonegile.

Ga ke go itse jalo, please!

MR MOTSAMAI: Mr Speaker, ke bona o set precedence fela e e wrong.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Procedure Mr Speaker.

MR SPEAKER: On what point are you standing?

MR SPEAKER: Honourable Boko, please, a ko o baakanye mafoko a gago mokaulengwe.

Ke tlaa tla kwa go wena Motsamai, a ko o iketle pele.

Tlogela go ntlhakatlhakanyetsa kgang.

Honourable Boko, baakanya mafoko a gago mokaulengwe.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: A dipelaelo.


Ga gona se se baakanngwang mo teng.

tlhamaletse, ke MR SPEAKER: Honourable Kekgonegile, please!

Honourable Boko, baakanya mafoko a gago re bo re tswelela.

MR BOKO: Mr Speaker, fa ke tswelela ke ne ke re batho ba Mahalapye... HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ba ya go tswelela ba go talela fa o sa ba kobe.

MR BOKO: O a utlwa gore lefoko go talela Mr Speaker, I do not think o re buisa sentle a re re a go talela.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Le a mo talela.


MR SPEAKER: Mo tlogele, I shall deal with him, tswa mo go ene.

I am going to deal with him.

Honourable Boko, please, baakanya mafoko a gago mokaulengwe.

MR BOKO: Thank you Mr Speaker.

Mr Speaker, go ne go na le dipelaelo tseo fela.

Ga ke ka ke ka buisa Lesaso ke re o rekilwe, ga gona motho yo o ka rekiwang.

MR SPEAKER: Thank you.

MR BOKO: Ga ke dumele gore ba mo rekile, mme batho ba ne ba re ... MR SPEAKER: Thank you very much, please continue.
MR BOKO: Mme ke tswelele Mr Speaker, mo dikgannyeng tsa tablets kwa public schools.

Re a dumela gore jaanong bagarona ba setse ba dumalana le se re sa bolong go se bua bogologolo.

Fa gongwe motho o tsaya lebaka le letelele go ka lemoga sengwe.

MR MOTSAMAI: Ke kile ka re ...(Inaudible)… Mr Speaker.

MR MOTSAMAI: I am saying ke kopile procedure.

MR SPEAKER: Please go ahead.

What is your procedure.

MR MOTSAMAI: Procedure.

O dira dikgato tse e tlaa reng kamoso di go paledise go tsamaisa Palamente.
Fa go buiwa ka Member yo mongwe a le teng, a sa ikarabela, a bona selo seo e se sepe fela mo go ene, e bo e le gore jaanong re le Palamente re tsaya nako e ntsi re buelela motho yo mongwe a le teng, e se setopo.

Setopo ke sone se e leng gore le a rera, le a hitlha, le a reng, le a lela, sone se itidimaletse fela.

Ga ke tseye e le tsamaiso Mr Speaker, ga re a tshwanela gore re tseye nako e ntsi re bua kgang ya motho yo mongwe, yo ene a bonang e se nngwe ya dikgang Mr Speaker.
Ke go ja nako fela Mr Speaker.

MR SPEAKER: You have made your point.

MR MOTSAMAI: Fa ke bua wena o thole o re tuu!

O tlaa ša.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible)… MR SPEAKER: Let us have order please.

Standing Order 58.11 ya re le buisane ka tlotlo Batlotlegi Mapalamente ka le a tlotlega.

Fa ke le fa, ke reeditse gone gore le buisana ka yone tlotlo eo, le wena Motlotlegi Motsamai, ke batla gore o tlotlwe, le wena o tlotle ba bangwe.
Motlotlegi Mopalamente wa Mahalapye Botlhaba, tswelela ka kgang ya gago honourable, fa e le gore ga o ise o fetse.

MR BOKO: Mr Speaker, ke lebogela Tona gore a bo a kgonne go lemoga gore nnyaa mme dikgang tsa tablets in public schools, ke golo mo go kgonagalang.

Ka 2019 fa manifesto wa rona o ne o tlhalosa, o bua dikgang tse, ba ne ba re re bua diphirimisa, ditsiabadimo, re bua dilo tse di sa kakeng tsa kgonega.
Jaanong go a supafala gore nako ya teng e ne e le go ka leka go ithatisa ga bone, dilo tse di a kgonafala.

Re a go leboga Tona, re re re batla go bona these tablets kwa dikoleng tsa rona.

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We would attain that fa e le gore jaanong le tsone tablets di teng mo dikoleng tsa rona.
Bana ga ba sa tlhola ba belega dibeke tse di tonatona di ba bolaya le yone mekwata.

Re a go leboga fela thata ka kgang yone eo.

ba sa bolo go nna dingwaga tse di kanakana mo Phase 2 Mahalapye mme ba sa kgone go ka gokelelwa metsi mme Mahalapye e le motse o o kana.

Ke tsaya ke re gongwe dilo tse Tona, re tlaa di bona di diragala mo nakong e khutshwane.

Ga se yone fela, le gompieno re utlwile le bua ka creation of jobs, le ipha target, it is a good thing.
Re sale re buile ka 100 000 jobs, and it appears like it can be more than that.

Re a leboga gore nnyaa mme go raya gore you have woken up from boroko le lefifi le le ntseng le le mo go lone.

A target is important, mme ke kopa gore le dire go gaisa jaaka le buile.

Le tlhalositse gore le ya go hira bana ba rona ba le kae kwa dikoleng.
Ke kgang e ke ntseng ke bua ka yone ke re, go nna le ntse le todinyatodinya le e fa ngwana three months, fa gongwe le mo tsaya le mo isa kwa Maun a tswa kwa Mahalapye, kana le mo isa kwa Goodhope a tswa kwa Serowe, mme e le three months, ga go botlhale golo ga teng.

It does not make sense.

Fa e le sengwe ba feng dikonteraka tsa ngwaga gona le gore o mo fe three months.
Kana ngwana yo o simolola pele a tsaya truck e e mo isetsang dilwana gone kwa go ya go nna dikgwedi tse tharo fela, e bo e boa e di busa, le dilwana tsa bone di setse di senyegile ka mabaka one a go nna le ntse le ba tlhotlhomisa lefatshe le lotlhe ka contracts tsa bo three months.

Golo ga teng ke batla go bua boammaarui, ga go na botlhale mo teng, ga go supe fa re akanya.

Go supa go santse go na le leshekere la dikakanyo jaaka ke setse ke kile ka tlhalosa go le pele.
Tona, ke tsaya ke re kgang e re tlaa e lebelela ka fa ke neng ke ntse ke bua ka teng.

Kgang ya lefatshe Mr Speaker, re buile thata ka yone.

Mo pegong yame nngwe le nngwe, ke nna ke bua ka yone gore jaanong le bone gore le tlamela lone lefatshe le le setseng le neetswe batho.

Metse ka bontsi kwa dikgaolong tsa rona, ga e na metsi, re bona metsi fela a tla kwa South otlhe.

Fa o ka tsena fa Palla Road, ba lela ka metsi, mme a feta fela go bapa le bone.

Ke gore mo go bone a kopile boagedi go feta.


Bone o kare ga ba a tshwanela go nwa metsi a teng a a phepha, a e leng one gona le a e leng gore ba a nwa gompieno, ba sa sokole ka go nna go ntse gotwe pipes di kgadile gareng ga tse dingwe.

Le bone batho ba Palla Road ba tlaa kopa gore gongwe mo metsing one a a fetang a, le bone gore le ba nosa ka tsela e e ntseng jang.

Ga se gone fela Mr Speaker, there are places like kwa Mahalapye East kwa Flower Town Phase 2.
Batho ba teng ba sale ba neelwa bonno, mme le mo letsatsing la gompieno ga ba na metsi.

They have been staying there for over ten years, re ipotsa gore bothata ke eng batho Ke ne ke sa batla go tsaya nako e telele Mr Speaker, ka gore le pego ya ga Tona le yone e ne e se telele mo go kalo.

Ke tsaya ke re bontsi jwa tse ke neng ke batla go di bua, segolo jang e le tsa kgaolo yame … MR HIKUAMA: On a point of clarification.

Ke a leboga Honourable Speaker, ke a leboga Honourable Boko for yielding.
Ke ne ke kopa gore o mphitise fa, re ne re bua mo manifesto wa rona wa UDC ka fa re tshwanetseng go neela bana ba dikole tablets, e le selo se se tlaa fefosang thuto ya bana le go fokotsa mosuke mo baneng.

Re ne re bua gape gore batho ba ba tsenang mo tertiary ba fiwe P2 500 e le basic leaving allowance ya bone, mme fa re bua dilo tse, go lebega e kete re kgopisa batho ba party e e busang ba ba neng ba kelemile ba re fa re bua dilo tse, re bua ditoro tse di sa kakeng tsa diragala.
Fa ba sena go rutwa ke COVID-19 ba setse ba re nnyaa ke dilo tsa bone, ba a tenega, ba batla gore nnyaa, le bone ba ne ba na le tsone, ba ntse ba ne ba di bitsa ditsiabadimo le ditoro tse di sa kakeng tsa diragala.

O tsiboga jang ka kgang yone eo mokaulengwe?

MR BOKO: Mo nakong e e fetileng ke ba tlhalositse ke re ke, I am trying to look for an extremely polite word, “batho ba ba dumelang ba bone.” Ga ke itse gore ba bitswa eng.
Re buile ka dikgang tse mo manifesto wa rona, tota fa gongwe le nne le ba itshwarela ka gore fa gongwe e a bo e le kgang ya leshekere lone la dikakanyo.

Fa gongwe fa golo ga teng go ise go go etele, bone kana dilo tse fa gongwe di ba etela ka bonya go gaisa jaaka di go etela wena Honourable Hikuama.

Re ba itshwareleng ka tsela e e ntseng jalo.

Mr Speaker, ke bua ka bagodi jaanong.

Tona, mo pegong ya gago o tlhalositse fa bagodi le ba VDC ba tlaa okeletswa ka madi a a kanang ka P100.
Re ne re sa le re tlhalositse kwa UDC gore bagodi ba tlhokana le P1 500.

P100 Mr Speaker, o ka dira eng?

Kana P100 go tewa o tswa kwa Xhosa o ya kwa mmolong o ya go reka mahura.

Mahura ke P78 gompieno fa ke bua le wena, a a salang go raya gore o tlaa bo o palame combi ka one, P10 yo o salang gape o bo o reka coke ka one go itimola mogote.

Tona, re swabile nko go feta molomo gore o bo o letleletse gone mo gore go tsene mo pegong ya gago.
38 Hansard No 205Monday 14th February, 2022APPROPRIATION (2022/2023) BILL, 2022 (NO.

2 OF 2022) Second Reading (Resumed Debate) Golo mo le lemme tota ga se lemme.

Batswana ba etle ba re lemme ga le bolaye go bolaya lefifi, ga se lemme mo, ke tlhapa.

You have insulted our parents ka go ba neela P100, it is a serious insult gore o mo okeletsa ka P100.

MR MMOLOTSI: On a point of elucidation.

Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

Thank you very much Honourable Boko.


Ke ne ke utlwa Honourable Moabi a boka maP100 a, a a boka le kwa Ward Development Committees (WDC).

A ga o bone Honourable Moabi a ikgatlha ka Batswana gore e re ba WDC ba na le dingwaga tse di kana go ntse go solofeditswe gore ba tlaa direlwa salary ka bo yone ka gore ba bereka letsatsi le letsatsi, e bo e le gore Honourable Moabi ene o boka gore ba bo ba neetswe P100?
Ga o bone e le gore Mapalamente ba Domkrag ba ikgatlha ka setšhaba sa Botswana se se mo tshokolong e e kanakana?

MR TSHERE: On a point of elucidation.

Thank you Mr Speaker and thank you Honourable Boko.

Kgang e ke neng ke utlwa o e bua e ke batlang go e gatelela thata, ke o neng a bua ka metsi kwa Flower Town Phase 2 le sewage lines gone koo.
Kana ka 2016 go ne ga nna le thulaganyo e e leng gore it was updating pipes tsa metsi tse di neng di le dikgologolo mo motseng wa Mahalapye, mme e ne ya ema mo tseleng thulaganyo eo.

Honourable Mzwinila o a e itse, e ne ya ema mo tseleng, mo e leng gore ga e ame Mahalapye Flower Town Phase 2 fela, e ama le Mahalapye West kwa e leng gore gompieno jaana re na le pipes tse e leng gore ga di bereke sentle.
Ke re kgang e re e bue, Tona a e tseye ka tlhoafalo, re tle go fetsa development ya metsi kwa Flower Town le mo motseng wa Mahalapye e e neng ya salela kwa morago fa e dirwa tiro eo e dirwa ka 2016.

Ke rata thata fa re e gatelela comrade.

Thank you.

MR BOKO: Thank you Honourable Tshere, ke tsaya ke re o e gateletse, Tona le ene o e utlwile.
Fa o bona re ipelaetsa jaana, re ipelaetsa ka mabaka one a, gore gongwe kana re tlhoilwe, fa re sa tlhoiwa, ke mabaka a ke ntseng ke a ntsha, a e leng gore gongwe ke a kgalemeletswe, ke sa batle go tlhola ke kgalemelwa gape.

Fa o bua ka Honourable Moabi wena Honourable Mmolotsi, o a itse gore tota maDomkrag ke batho fela ba ba lesotlo.

Kana P100 yo go tweng o tsentswe, ke go ikgatlha ka batho.
P100 yo go tweng o tsentswe, ke madi a a rekang dijo, jaaka Honourable Vice President a na le dikatse jaana, ke a a jewang ke katse e le nngwefela ya ga Mothusa Tautona mo maphakeleng fela; dijo tsa katse maphakela, ke sa tsenye tsa motshegare le tsa maitseboa.

Imagine, go bo gotwe ke madi a a ka neelwang batsadi ba rona.

Golo moo go tlhabisa ditlhong.

Go raya gore katse ya ga Mothusa Tautona e le one e ja P300 ka letsatsi, we cannot look like that Mr Speaker.
A re tseyeng batho… HONOURABLE MEMBER: Procedure.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ya eng Mothusa Tautona a itumetse?

MR SPEAKER: Order!

Honourable Motsamai.

MR MORWAENG: Procedure.

Motlotlegi Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, re dumalane gore re se ka ra kgotlana ka mafoko, mo e leng gore… MR BOKO: Nnyaa, Mr Speaker, I was just giving an example, I could have said katse ya ga Tshere, kana ya me kana ya ga… MR SPEAKER: Ema pele Motlotlegi Rraetsho Boko, Minister Morwaeng is still on the floor.
MR MORWAENG: Re Batswana rotlhe Mr Speaker, ga o ka ke ya re o bua, o bo o tshwantshanya se se neelwang batho, o bo o re madi a teng a lekane dikatse tsa ga Mothusa Tautona.

Re a itse gore ga se thulaganyo e e ntle, tshwantshanyo ya mofuta one o. Ke a ikokobetsa… HONOURABLE MEMBER: What is the procedure here Mr Speaker?

He is wasting your time.

MR SPEAKER: Order!

Re emisitse nako Honourable Member for Maun Botlhaba, re emisitse nako ntate, didimala.
MR MORWAENG: Nnyaa, a re se ka ra dira jalo Mr Speaker, ga go procedural.

MR SPEAKER: Thank you Honourable Minister.

Nnyaa, mme gone bagaetsho, ke tlaa boa gape ke le gakolola Standing Order 58.11, a re tlotlaneng, a re buisaneng ka tlotlo.

Bogolo jang, re na le ba ba re eteletseng gone fa, His Honour the Vice President (VP) o re eteletse mo Ntlong e, o re eteletse mo lefatsheng le, o thusa Motlotlegi Rraetsho Tautona.

A re tlotlaneng.
A re tlotlaneng.

HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… MR BOKO: Mr Speaker, ke ne ke sa bue ke sotla Motlotlegi Mothusa Tautona, ke mo tlotla thata ka e bile o re nyaletse kwa Dovedale, ke mogwe wa rona, I respect him so much and he knows.

Ke ne ke e fa sekai fela sa… MR MORWAENG: Nnyaa, Honourable Boko, another procedure Mr Speaker.

39 Hansard No 205Monday 14th February, 2022APPROPRIATION (2022/2023) BILL, 2022 (NO.
2 OF 2022) Second Reading (Resumed Debate) MR BOKO: Honourable Morwaeng, I am on the floor please... MR MORWAENG: Nnyaa… MR BOKO: You cannot proceed again… MR MORWAENG: …(Inaudible)… wa itse.

MR SPEAKER: Order!

Honourable Keorapetse, kana wena nako le nako o tshwanetse o nthuse go tsamaisa Palamente jaanong o ntsenya dingalo letsatsi leno, go rileng?

HONOURABLE MEMBER: O nole yoo.

HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)... HONOURABLE MEMBER: O go itsheletse, o se ka wa dumela.
HONOURABLE MEMBER: Mogwegadi ga nke a nna monnyennyane.

HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)... MR SPEAKER: Order!

Bagaetsho, procedure takes precedence.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Mathata a ga Chillyboy ke motokwane o montsi.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: A procedure for waste of time.

MR SPEAKER: We have frozen the clock.

Honourable Kekgonegile, ao!

Please nnaka, ga ke go itse jalo.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: The debate has been timed Mr Speaker, ba bangwe ba ya go palelwa ke to debate.

Re ya go oketsa nako unnecessarily.


MR SPEAKER: Mma a digele mokaulengwe wa me, se lwe nae.

Honourable Morwaeng, digela please, o ne o reng?

MR MORWAENG: Procedure.

Nnyaa rra, it is unprocedural gore Honourable Boko a bo a raya mogolo a tshwana le Motlotlegi Mothusa Tautona a re ke mogwe wa bone, ga se gone.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ke raya gore o utlwe fela tse di buiwang.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Murmurs)… HONOURABLE MEMBER: Motho fa e le mogwe o bitswa eng?

Ao!
Ao!

MR MORWAENG: Ga o ka ke wa bitsa motsadi a le kana ka Mothusa Tautona o le ngwana o le kana ka Motlotlegi Boko, o re ke mogwe.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ga go na ngwana mo Palamenteng, mathata a lona ke one ao.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Jo bolope bo feteletse.

HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)... HONOURABLE MEMBER: Boko ke monna fela yo o nyetseng, bo prefect-nyana jwa gago bo tlaa re lapisa HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… MR SPEAKER: Order!

Honourable Rakgare.
Honourable Rakgare.

Bagaetsho… HONOURABLE MEMBER: Utlwa dipuo tsa gagwe gore o bua jang, o buisa bagolo jang.

You cannot talk to Morwaeng like this.

MR SPEAKER: Order!

Honourable Rakgare!

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Honourable Morwaeng ga se molekane wa gago.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Le nne le kgalemela Mma Monnakgotla.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: BoDomkrag jwa ga Chillyboy o kare bo feta batho ba a ba fitlhelang mo line... MR SPEAKER: Order!
Honourable Keorapetse, ke ntse ke go kopa gore nthusa go kgalema Rakgare, ke wena o kuketsang.

HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)... MR SPEAKER: Rakgare, a ko o iketle.

Order!

Ramogapi.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Mma Monnakgotla o ne a re Gobotswang ke mogwe.

MR SPEAKER: Order!

Ramogapi.

Nnyaa bagaetsho, in all fairness to Honourable Boko, o bua Setswana fela se a sa tshwanelang go se dira, fa re bua Setswana, ga a ka ke ya re a le ngwana yo o kana, a raya mogolo a re ke mogwe, ka Setswana.
Fa e le gore indeed… HONOURABLE MEMBER: Nnyaa, Boko ga se 40 Hansard No 205Monday 14th February, 2022APPROPRIATION (2022/2023) BILL, 2022 (NO.

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HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible)... MR SPEAKER: Ema pele Keorapetse… HONOURABLE MEMBER: Mogwegadi ga a nke a nna monnyennyane.

HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)... MR SPEAKER: Le nkutlwile tsamaiso ya Setswana bagaetsho, le latlha nnake, le latlha Mopalamente.

Ka Setswana ga go tualo.


O digetse Honourable Boko, you still have a minute.

itse le HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible)... MR SPEAKER: Nnyaa, ke mo gakolotse fela, ga ke ise ke re a boele kwa morago ka sepe, ke mo gakolola tsamaiso.

MR BOKO: Mr Speaker, let me explain myself, I did not say this… MR SPEAKER: Ema pele Honourable Boko.

In all fairness, Honourable Boko ga a rogane, fela o tlhoka tlotlo.
O tshwanetse a itse gore batho ba ba tona ba a tlotlwa, ga go na motho yo motona yo go ka tweng ke mogwe a tewa ke motho yo monnyennyane.

Ke sone se ke reng a tlotle.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ke eng le ne le sa kgalemele Talita maloba?

MR SPEAKER: Honourable Boko, you still have one minute, digela mokaulengwe.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ee, le kgalemele le Mma Monnakgotla.

MR BOKO: Mr Speaker, dilo tse kana re di ithuta mo Palamenteng.
Ke ne ke utlwa Mma Monnakgotla a raya Mopalamente yo mongwe, Gobotswang a re ke mogwe wa gagwe, I thought ke Setswana fela.

I am very sorry… HONOURABLE MEMBER: E bile a mo feta ka dingwaga tse dintsi.

MR BOKO: …ke ne ke tsaya gore ke Setswana fela.

Go raya gore o ka se ke wa bua jalo mo television, mme fela ke tlhola ke utlwa Batswana ba bua ba re nnyaa, ke mogwe wa rona, o re nyaletse.
Ke ne ke sa itse gore go na le kgang ya dingwaga mo teng and I am extremely sorry to His Honour the VP, le fa o bona a didimetse jaana.

Tota ga se mogwe wa rona, o nyetse kwa kgaolong ya rona fa Dovedale.

MR BOKO: Mr Speaker, fa ke tswala, ga re itumelele this prefect attitude ya ga Morwaeng, we cannot proceed like this.

I think a ko a leke to restrain himself fela going forward, ga re bana ba gagwe to be honest.

We are all Honourable Members of Parliament (MPs) here, re tlotlana ka dingwaga of course.
Ke ne ke re gongwe o mo kgalemele gammogo le Tumiso Rakgare, I do not know what excites Honourable Rakgare, he is … HONOURABLE MEMBER: O se ka wa bo wa leka go tshamekela mo go nna.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: A-a hei!

O mang ne monna?

O se ka wa tshosetsa Yandani monna.

O mang kante ne monna?

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Lotlhe ka bobedi, all of you jaaka le le babedi jaana… HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ga re na sepe le wena.

MR SPEAKER: Honourable Rakgare, let us have order please.

Your time is up Honourable Boko.


Honourable Rakgare, it is your time to contribute to the Bill.

MINISTER OF YOUTH EMPOWERMENT, SPORT AND CULTURE DEVELOPMENT (MR RAKGARE): Thank you very much Mr Speaker, nako e e tlile sentle.

O nthuse Mr Speaker, ka gore ke belaela gore ba tlaa tswelela ba nkgopakgopetsa ka gore ba ntse jalo, especially bone ba babedi ba.

Ke tlaa leka go itshwara thata Mr Speaker, gore tota fela ke ganelele mo go tse re di beilweng pele.
Mr Speaker, ke go lebogele sebaka se o se mphileng.

La ntlha ke supe fela gore ke ngwana yo o goletseng kwa Mogoditshane, a godisitswe ke batsadi ba le bone ba godisitsweng Setswana mo molaong wa rona wa Setswana.

Ke ngwana yo o nang le maitseo, ke tlile go buisa Ntlo e ka maitseo a a kwa godimo fela thata.

Le fa ke tlaa amang ba kganetso teng, ke tlaabo ke ba ama, mme ke bua ka tlotlo Mr Speaker, fela jaaka ke tlhola ke ntse ke dira.
Ke tsaya bo Honourable Nkawana le Honourable Kapinga jaaka bagolo ba me, ba ke tshetseng le bone, ga e ka ke ya re ka letsatsi lepe, ke bue mafoko a e seng one.

Fela jaaka ke ise ke tsamaye ke dire mo Palamenteng, ga ke kitla ke tshwana le ba bangwe Mr Speaker, ba e leng gore mo go bone dingwaga ga se sepe fela, o ka rogaka mongwe le mongwe fela, fela ka gore ke Mopalamente jaaka wena, moo go a letlelesega ga go molato.

Ga ke dumele gore le fa re le Mapalamente rotlhe, re tshwanetse re dire jalo.
41 Hansard No 205Monday 14th February, 2022APPROPRIATION (2022/2023) BILL, 2022 (NO.

2 OF 2022) Second Reading (Resumed Debate) Mr Speaker, la ntlha fela ke batla go tsena mo mafokong, a o neng o a bua, a builwe ke Honourable Dikoloti le Honourable Molale.

Le nna fela ke tsene mo seporong, ke supe gore mo go Honourable Peggy Serame, re bone naledi, naledi ya mme, mme o moswaana yo tlhaloganyo ya gagwe e leng kgolo thata.

Dikgang tse tsa go dira le madi, ga se tse di motlhofo.
Fela jaaka Honourable Hikuama a ntse a tlhalosa gore, o dumela gore Honourable Matsheka wa mo Botswana Democratic Party (BDP) ke ene Mopalamente yo o rutegileng go gaisa, yo a mo tlotlang thata, o tlotla thutego ya gagwe thata e bile o mo rata thata.

Gone moo ke mo re go tlhokang thata mo kganetsong, fa re tshwanetseng re supe ka ba ba mo Palamenteng ba ba dirang bontle, a e ka tswa e le ka dithutego kana jang.
Gone moo Mr Speaker, ke gone mo ke batlang gore ke simolole fela ka go go lebogela Honourable Hikuama, gore a bo a lemoga talente, botsipa gammogo le dithutego tsa ga Honourable Matsheka.

Ke supe fa gore le ene Honourable Serame, o ntse fela jalo Mr Speaker.

Go ne go tlhalosiwa fa maloba gore o tsene dikole kae, jalojalo, o rutegile go le kana kang.

Ke sone se gompieno o bonang budget ya rona e fetogile ka fa e fetogileng ka teng.
Ke sone se o neng o bona jaaka go ne go ntse go buiwa ka Honourable Matsheka ka nako e e neng e le Tona wa Madi, budget ya rona e fetogile ka fa e neng e fetogile ka teng.

Fa o ka ela tlhoko Mr Speaker, o lebelele le dithutego tsa Khuduthamaga ya ga Tautona, fa re bua ka dithutego le yone fela jalo e rutegile fela thata.

Ke dumela gore se re tshwanetse re se lemoge, ka gore thuto e botlhokwa fela thata.

Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

MR SPEAKER: Order!


Honourable Members, as it is now 6 o’clock I shall now call upon His Honour the Vice President as the Leader of this House to move a Motion of adjournment.

MOTION ADJOURNMENT LEADER OF THE HOUSE (MR TSOGWANE): Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

Jaaka o kopile nako ya tiro ya letsatsi leno e felela gone fa, ke tlaa kopa Ntlo e gore batlotlegi ba ye go itapolosa, ba emele la kamoso.

Ke a leboga.

Question put and agreed to.


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