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THE SECOND MEETING OF THE THIRD SESSION OF THE TWELFTH PARLIAMENT TUESDAY 22 MARCH 2022 MIXED VERSION HANSARD NO: 205 THE NATIONAL ASSEMBLY SPEAKER The Hon.

Phandu T. C. Skelemani PH, MP.

DEPUTY SPEAKER Hon.

P. P. P. Moatlhodi, MP.

(Tonota) Clerk of the National Assembly Deputy Clerk of the National Assembly Acting Learned Parliamentary Counsel Assistant Clerk (E) His Excellency Dr M. E. K. Masisi, MP.

His Honour S. Tsogwane, MP.


(Boteti West) CABINET - President - Vice President - Ms B. N. Dithapo - Mr L. T. Gaolaolwe - Advocate L. O. Tlhowe - Mr R. Josiah Hon.

K. N. S. Morwaeng, MP.

(Molepolole South) - Minister for Presidential Affairs, Governance and Public Administration Hon.

K. T. Mmusi, MP.

(Gabane-Mmankgodi) - Minister of Defence, Justice and Security Hon.

Dr L. Kwape, MP.

(Kanye South) - Minister of International Affairs and Cooperation Hon.

K. K. Autlwetse, MP.


(Specially Elected) - Minister of Local Government and Rural Development Hon.

K. S. Gare, MP.

(Moshupa-Manyana) - Minister of Agricultural Development and Food Security Hon.

P. K. Kereng, MP.

(Specially Elected) - Minister of Environment, Natural Resources Conservation and Tourism Hon.

Dr E. G. Dikoloti MP.

(Mmathethe-Molapowabojang) - Minister of Health and Wellness Hon.

T.M.

Segokgo, MP.

(Tlokweng) - Minister of Transport and Communications Hon.

K. Mzwinila, MP.
K. Mzwinila, MP.

(Specially Elected) - Minister of Land Management, Water and Sanitation Services Hon.

T. M. Rakgare, MP.

(Mogoditshane) - Minister of Youth Empowerment, Sport and Culture Development Hon.

A. M. Mokgethi, MP.

(Gaborone Bonnington North) - Minister of Nationality, Immigration and Gender Affairs Hon.

P. O. Serame, MP.

(Specially Elected) - Minister of Finance and Economic Development Hon.

F. M. M. Molao, MP.

(Shashe West) - Minister of Basic Education Hon.

Dr D. Letsholathebe, MP.


(Tati East) Hon.

L. M. Moagi, MP.

(Ramotswa) - Minister of Tertiary Education, Research, Science and Technology - Minister of Mineral Resources, Green Technology and Energy Security Hon.

M. Kgafela, MP.

(Mochudi West) - Minister of Investment, Trade and Industry Hon.

M. R. Shamukuni, MP.

(Chobe) - Minister of Employment, Labour Productivity and Skills Development Hon.

E. M. Molale, MP.

(Goodhope-Mabule) - Minister of Infrastructure and Housing Development Hon.
D. M. Mthimkhulu, MP.

(Gaborone South) - Assistant Minister, Presidential Affairs, Governance and Public Administration Hon.

S. N. Modukanele, MP.

(Lerala -Maunatlala) Hon.

T. Monnakgotla, MP.

(Kgalagadi North) Hon.

M. M. Pule, MP.

(Mochudi East) Hon.

M. S. Molebatsi, MP.


(Mmadinare) - Assistant Minister, Local Government and Rural Development - Assistant Minister, Local Government and Rural Development - Assistant Minister, Local Government and Rural Development - Assistant Minister, Agricultural Development and Food Security Hon.

S. Lelatisitswe, MP.

(Boteti East) - Assistant Minister, Health and Wellness Hon.

N. W. T. Makwinja, MP.

(Lentsweletau-Mmopane) - Assistant Minister, Basic Education Hon.

B. Manake, MP.
B. Manake, MP.

(Specially Elected) - Assistant Minister, Investment, Trade and Industry Hon.

H. B. Billy, MP.

(Francistown East) Hon.

A. Lesaso, MP.

(Shoshong) - Assistant Minister, Youth Empowerment, Sport and Culture Development - Assistant Minister,Tertiary Education, Research, Science and Technology MEMBERS OF PARLIAMENT AND THEIR CONSTITUENCIES Names Constituency Hon.

L. Kablay, MP.

(Government Whip) Letlhakeng-Lephephe RULING PARTY (Botswana Democratic Party) Hon.

Dr U. Dow, MP.

Hon.


P. Majaga, MP.

Hon.

M. Balopi, MP.

Hon.

J. S. Brooks, MP.

Hon.

C. Greeff, MP.

Hon.

T. Letsholo, MP.

Hon.

T. F. Leuwe, MP.

Hon.

T. Mangwegape-Healy, MP.

Hon.

Dr T. Matsheka, MP.

Hon.

S. N. Moabi, MP.

Hon.

P. K. Motaosane, MP.

Hon.

O. Regoeng, MP.

Hon.

J. L. Thiite, MP.


Specially Elected Nata-Gweta Gaborone North Kgalagadi South Gaborone Bonnington South Kanye North Takatokwane Gaborone Central Lobatse Tati West Thamaga-Kumakwane Molepolole North Ghanzi North OPPOSITION (Umbrella for Democratic Change) Hon.

D. Saleshando, MP.

(Leader of the Opposition) Hon.

M. G. J. Motsamai, MP.


(Opposition Whip) Maun West Ghanzi South Selebi Phikwe West Mahalapye East Sefhare-Ramokgonami Ngami Okavango Maun East Bobonong Selebi Phikwe East Palapye Nkange Mahalapye West Francistown West Hon.

D. L. Keorapetse, MP.

Hon.

Y. Boko, MP.

Hon.

Dr K. Gobotswang, MP.

Hon.

C. K. Hikuama, MP.

Hon.

K. K. Kapinga, MP Hon.

G. Kekgonegile, MP.

Hon.

T. B. Lucas, MP.

Hon.

K. Nkawana, MP.

Hon.

O. Ramogapi, MP.

Hon.

Dr N. Tshabang, MP.

Hon.

D. Tshere, MP.

Hon.


M. I. Moswaane, MP.

Hon.

T. S. Khama, MP.

Hon.

L. Lesedi, MP.

Hon.

B. Mathoothe, MP.

Hon.

M. Reatile, MP.

(Botswana Patriotic Front) Serowe West Serowe South Serowe North Jwaneng-Mabutsane Hon.

W. B. Mmolotsi, MP.
W. B. Mmolotsi, MP.

Francistown South (Alliance for Progressives) TABLE OF CONTENTS THE SECOND MEETING OF THE THIRD SESSION OF THE TWELFTH PARLIAMENT TUESDAY 22ND MARCH, 2022 CONTENTS PAGE (S) QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER..............................................................................................................19-27 APPROPRIATION (2022/2023) BILL, 2022 (NO.
2 OF 2022) COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY Organisation 2400 - Ministry of Transport and Communications (Resumed Debate).............................................................................................................................................1-16 Organisation 2500 – Ministry of Defence, Justice and Security..........................................................................17-18 (Resumed Debate)..........................................................................................................................................28-50 Organisation 2200 –Ministry of Youth Empowerment, Sport and Culture Development...................................51-59 Tuesday 22nd March, 2022 THE ASSEMBLY met at 11:00 a.m. (THE SPEAKER in the Chair) P R A Y E R S * * * * MR SPEAKER (MR MOATLHODI): Order!
Order!

Hello Honourable Members!

We are now quorated.

ASSEMBLY IN COMMITTEE (CHAIRPERSON in the Chair) APPROPRIATION (2022/2023) BILL, 2022 (NO.

2 OF 2022) ORGANISATION 2400-MINISTRY OF TRANSPORT AND COMMUNICATIONS (Resumed Debate) MR CHAIRPERSON (MR MOATLHODI): When the House adjourned yesterday, Honourable Hikuama was on the floor and he was left with six minutes 35 seconds.

Honourable Member for Ngami.

MR HIKUAMA (NGAMI): Ke a leboga Honourable Chairperson.

Tla ke tseye sebaka se ke go dumedise.


Re ne re setse re tsweletse fa Ntlo e ya bokhutlong maabane, ke tlhalosa mme ke ne ke tswa go digela ntlha e e neng e bua ka office ya transport ya Maun ka fa e sa kgoneng to service batho ba Kgaolo ya North West.

Ke ne ke kopa gore gongwe Tona o ka dira sengwe ka yone.

Ke ne ke sa tswa go wetsa ntlha eo e le gore ke tsena mo ntlheng e nngwe e e tshwenyang e le ya postal services.
Mo posong tla re simolole fela ka go bua ka bodiredi jwa yone gore ke kile ka tsenya potso mo lebakeng le le fetileng, ke kopa Tona gore a tlhalose ka seemo sa khiro le go tlhatlologana maemo ga batho ba poso ka fa e ntseng ka teng.

A araba ka fa a neng a araba ka teng.

Se se salang ke gore badiredi ba poso ba mo mathateng a a seng kana ka sepe, ba tlhoka Tona gore a ba tswe matshidiso.

Ke ne ka supa mo potsong ya me gore qualifications le gore motho o tsene leng, it does not matter kwa posong.
Seemo se o tshwanetse gore o se beye leitlho, o bone gore se a tokafala.

O se ka wa felela mo go utlweng karabo e o e filweng ke barena ba ba busang, o sa tsene kwa moding wa kgang gore o e rarabolole.

Le boroko ga ba na jone batho ba poso.

Le fa ba berekelang teng go gonnye mo diposong tse dingwe.
Ke supe jaana gore re tlhoka le yone poso mo kgaolong ya rona ya Ngami, bogolo fa o ka dira poso mo Nokaneng gore go nne le lekalana la poso that will service dikgaolo tse di bapileng le tse di tswang kwa bo Qangwa le Xaxa gore ba se ka ba ya bokgakala jo bo tshwanang le bo Sehithwa, Maun le bo Gumare.

Gongwe go ka ba atumetsa services fa e ka nna mo Nokaneng.

Tla ke tswe mo go ya poso, ke dumela gore o utlule.

Gatwe a word to a wise is enough.


Ga ke batle go e golola ka ke tsaya gore o ka reetsa, o motho yo o reetsang.

Ke tseye gore o motho yo o ka reetsang, ke tloga ke re o motho yo o reetsang ke sa itse theetso ya gago gore e kae.

Kgang e ke tlaa felelang ka yone ke ya ditsela Honourable Minister.

O itse ditsela tsa Botswana tsotlhe mme tse di tshwenyang thata ke yone ya Nata-Maun.

Rre Polson Majaga o tlhola a bua ka tsela ya Nata-Maun e e sa bolong go tseiwa ke dipula le sa e tlhokomele.
Re bo re tswa mo Nata-Maun re ya kwa Sehithwa-Mohembo; tsela e e leng gore le yone ke matlhabisaditlhong.

Le go bua ka yone ga ke sa tlhole ke itse gore ke ka bua eng ka gore mafoko a re neng re ka a bua re a feditse, re beile mo Modimong gore o tla re tswa matshidiso leng ka gore wena go lebega o sena se o ka se dirang ka seemo sa rona mme ke dumela gore o tlaa dira sengwe.
Se o se dirileng gompieno le Minister Peggy Serame se a se dirileng a re o re akanyetsa mo Public Private Partnership (PPP), ga go kgotsofatse.

Ke moka o sa dira sepe.

Ke ne ke tlaa dumela PPP fa e le gore mo nakong e re leng mo go yone eo o mpolelela gore re bone kompone ya bolebe, re dumalane le yone jaana, re ya go simolola tiro jaana, e ya go fela jaana.

Ke gone ke ne ke ka dumela gore go na le sengwe se o se akantseng ka tsela ya rona.
Gompieno ga ke dumele gore go na le sepe se o se buileng, o horile batho ba Kgaolo ya Ngami gore ba nne le tsholofelo fela mme go sena se o se dirang.

Modulasetilo, re na le bothata jwa ditsela tsa Ngami mo the whole constituency.

Ditsela tsa rona tsotlhe ke tsa gravel.

Ke dumela gore Honourable Motaosane o ne a bua thata e bile a bua sentle, ke sone seemo se se tshwanetseng go diragala.

Ditsela tse ga di a bolo go felelwa ke boleng mme le yone gravel e e neng e ntse e tshetswe, e setse e fedile.
Go na le selo gatwe dry-grading, se gopa tsela e bo e sala e le mogobe; fa dipula di na jaana e tlala metsi fela e nna molapo.
We need ditsela tse gore di dirwe mo gotweng re-graveling bogolo ka gore gongwe go di tsenya sekontere, ga se selo se se mo maikaelelong a gago le plan ya ga Domkrag go 1 Hansard No 205Tuesday 22nd March, 2022ORGANISATION 2400 – MINISTRY OF TRANSPORT AND COMMUNICATIONSCommittee of Supply (Resumed Debate) dira jalo mo ditseleng tsa rona ka gore gongwe e tsaya gore batho ba ba tshelelang ka kwa, ga ba a tshwanelwa ke sekontere ka ke bona e le yone thulaganyo e. Rre Sethomo Lelatisitswe o ne a tlhalosa thata gore ditlhabololo tsa lefatshe la Botswana di abiwa ka semorafe, se ke dumelang gore tota go a itshupa.
Go ne go bua Tona wa Domkrag yo o itseng ka fa ditlhabololo di abiwang ka teng, jaanong fa a bua, ga gona ka fa re ka mo ganetsang ka teng ka gore o a itse; ke ene yo o abang.

Go raya gore ke yone thulaganyo ya Domkrag gore ditlhabololo tsa lefatshe la Botswana di abiwa ka semorafe le kgethololo e ke bonang e dirwa mo ditseleng tsa rona.

Re na le ditsela di tshwana le tsa bo Nokaneng-Qangwa; tsela e telele fela thata mme le gompieno e santse e le gravel e e sa tlhokomelweng.
Re na le tsela e e yang Habu mme le yone ga e a dirwa sepe.

Tsela ya Tsau- Makakung-Kareng, le yone e tlhoka attention.

Re na le ditsela tse dintsi tsa bo Somelo-Samedupe, Bodibeng- Toteng, Sehithwa-Kareng, ditsela tse tsotlhe di tlhoka gore di tlhabololwe, bogolo fa gotwe o paletswe, o di tsenye gravel e ntšha.

Go palelwa mo o go paletsweng gompieno ke mo go tlhabisang ditlhong.
Ga ke dumele gore le gravel ya gravel fela e e sa rekweng, e e epiwang mo mmung, e ka palela lephata la gago gore e tshela ditsela gore di tle di tsamaege.

Ke ratile ka fa Tona Molale a buileng ka teng maabane le Vice President (VP) gore rural development ke yone konokono mo go lwantsheng lehuma le letlhoko la ditiro.
Le ditsela fa di sa goroge kwa magaeng, di sa tsamaege, ga gona ka fa le ka lwantshang lehuma la batho ba dikgaolo le tlhoko ditiro tsa bone ka gore le ba ba ka reng ba iteka ka transport industry, ga ba tswelele gope, ga ba ye gope ka gore dikoloi tsa bone le se ba se lekang will not last lebaka.

Dilo tse ke diemo tse o tshwanetseng go di ela tlhoko gore o tle o thuse batho ba Kgaolo ya Bokone Bophirima.
Re tlaabo re le ba ga mang fa re tsewa ka letso legolo ke Puso e e sa bolong go tlhophiwa mo kgaolong e lebaka le le kanakana?

Ke a leboga Honourable Chairperson, nako e tšhaile.

MR CHAIRPERSON: Le rona re lebogile rraarona, Motlotlegi Mopalamente wa Ngami, Nxaunxau le Habu di le mo teng.

MINISTER OF HEALTH AND WELLNESS (DR DIKOLOTI): Tla ke go leboge Modulasetilo, ke re ke ema nokeng kopo ya ga Tona Segokgo.
Tona, fa go na le nngwe ya dikgang tse o di tshwereng sentle, ke yone e ya go atolosa dikgang tsa maranyane e o e tshwaraganetseng le ba Smart Botswana (SmartBots), e o tsenyang maranyane kwa dikokelong, Dikgotleng le kwa dikoleng.

A ko thulaganyo e tlhe Tona o dire gore e ko e wele ka bonako.

Gantsinyana o fitlhela Kgosi Dipuo kwa Ga-Segwagwa a sokola a batla go nthomelela email gore o tshwere jang ka fale le bo Kgosi Sebopo kwa Mogojogojo.
Ke raya gore a ko o atolose thulaganyo e tlhe ka bonako motho wa ga Segokgo gore dikgang tse tsa go tokafatsa dipuisanyo e nne tsone.

Mme e bile fa o ka e atolosa thata wa dira gore le tsone tse tsa di Wi-Fi o re gopole kwa Mmathethe-Molapowabojang.

Ke dumela gore re na le mafelo fela a re ka nnang le those hotspots tse re ka tsenyang Wi-Fi mo go tsone gore banana kwa kgaolong le bone ba kgone gore ba buisane le lefatshe lotlhe ka bophara.
Re na le mathata Tona Segokgo fa go tla go tsena mo dikgannyeng tse tsa network.

Kgaolo e tshwana le ya Segwagwa, Lerolwane le tsa bo Mosi tse e leng gore they are production areas, fela fa go tswa sefefo ka fa network e a tsamaya.

O fitlhele go le dingalo go le botlhoko o sa itse gore jaanong o bua jang le Kgosi Matlho yo o kwa Lerolwane network e tsamaile.

Fa o re o a utlwa ba go raya ba re, “owaii!

kana pula e ne e phaila fela Rre Dikoloti,” network e bo e tsamaile go ntse fela jalo.
Ke kopa gore dilo tse Tona a ko o di fefogele o tshikhinye bana ba gago ka koo gore ba di dire go ya ka fa di tshwanetseng gore di nne ka teng.

Re ne re itlamile re le phathi gore re ya go atolosa mafaratlhatlha a ditlhaeletsanyo go ya kwa masimong gore re tokafatse go ntsha dijo, batho ba kgone gore fa ba le kwa ba google fela ba ntse ba le koo gore ba ka dira eng se ba bonang se sa diragale sentle gore kwa bofelelong go bo go nna bofefo.
Motlotlegi fa ke ntse ke tswelela mo puong ya me ke go galaletse ke re dipako di a go tshwanela.

O sa tswa go tswa kwa tirong ya mokatakata ya gore o ribolole tsela e e namileng e e tswang fa Kgale fale e ya kwa Boatle.

O ne o na le Tona Moagi, ke tsaya gore Balete ba itumetse.

Re ka itumela go feta fa bonamo jwa tsela e bo ka goroga kwa Lobatse jwa fetela kwa Morolong kwa Ramatlabama.

Ke dumela gore thulaganyo eo... (interruption)...o tlaa felela fela ...(interruption)…Tona.
Ke ne ke re o santse o e tshwere jalo e bile o sa tswa go ribolola, ke tsaya gore e rile fa o ribolola o ne o ntse o tsaya le dipalo tsa gore tsela e e ne e hirile batho ba le kae.

Ke solofela gore o tlaa atolosa fa o araba gore... 2 Hansard No 205Tuesday 22nd March, 2022ORGANISATION 2400 – MINISTRY OF TRANSPORT AND COMMUNICATIONSCommittee of Supply (Resumed Debate) Ke a bona o dira pharologanyo mo Gaborone, o dira ditsela tsa matlhatlaganyane, bo huhumela ka koo.
Ke dumela gore e tlaa re fa o fetola o re bolelele gore o hirile Batswana ba le kae e bile ditshono di tlaa nna kae go ya pele?

Re na le Batswana fela ba matlhale a a farologaneng ba re solofelang gore le bone dilo tse di a ba tshwanela.

Ke na le keletso e e tletseng ya gore tsela ya Mmathethe-Metlobo-Bray go dirweng ga yone e tlaa mphirela batho ba se kana ka sepe go tswa kwa kgaolong e ya Mmathethe-Molapowabojang.
Fa o fetola a ko o papamaletse banni ba Mmathethe-Molapowabojang le Batswana ka kakaretso ka gore tsela e e tshwaraganya Bangwaketse le bagarona ka kwa Kgalagadi ka fale gore e ya go simologa leng?

Go na le tsela e nngwe gape Tona ya Kgoro-Gathwane, ga e re robatse.

Kgosi Makaba le Kgosi Letlhare ga ba fetse go mpotsa ka tsela e gore tota ka gore tsela e go sale go builwe ka yone, gatwe e tshelwa sekontere leng?
Tsela e kana ke e e tshwaraganyang Bangwaketse le Barolong mme e bile e tshwaraganya diphetlhakhumo tse di kwa Morolong le tse di kwa ga Ngwaketse gore go nne motlhofo.

Go na le tsela e e kileng ya dirwa e e neng e tshelwa ya Goodhope-Pitsane, ke ipotsa gore ke eng mme go sa nne le sekgononyana bogolo fela gape se se welang fa Kgoro fale ka gore se ka bo se re thusitse gore re kgone go atumela?

Ditsela tse motlotlegi, ga di felele fela gone foo.
Ke tshwere bothata ka tsela e nngwe e e tswang mo Selokolela e ya kwa Lerolwane.

Tsela e e botlhoko mo go maswe, e a relela, e a re fa motho a tsamaya o utlwe e go gopotsa tsela ya kwa Khwee o bone gore tota o tiro ntsi motho wa ga Segokgo.

ASSISTANT MINISTER OF HEALTH AND WELLNESS (MR LELATISITSWE): On a point of clarification.

Thank you so much Mr Chairperson.

Kana ditsela tse tsa kgaolo ya gago, ke di itse jaaka o itse tsa kgaolo ya me.
Ke ne ke re o se ka wa lebala go buelela tsela ya Mmatshumo-Mosu le ya Letlhakane-Khwee gore Minister a dirise cheaper solutions tse di teng mo mmarakeng go leka go baya ditsela tse mo seemong se re se bonang sa South Afrika sa dipolase.

Ke a leboga.

DR DIKOLOTI: Go botlhokwa Tona ka gore dilo tse ke dingwe tse di dirang gore go nne bokete gore re ntshe ditswatemong ka gore go nna botlhoko.
Gompieno borre ba barui ba ba tona kwa Banyana ba nthomelela melaetsa bosigo le motshegare ka gore tsela ga e sa tlhole e tsamaega.

Jaaka Puso e butse gore go ka rekisiwa dinamanyane jaana, ba diteraka ga ba sa tlhole ba tla kwa go ba tseela dikgomo tse.

Go botlhoko, ga ba sa tlhole ba kgona gore dijo di tle gone kwa ka gore ditsela tse ga di tsamaege, di dikhuti fela mo teng.
Ke solofela gore bogolo fa re santse re emetse gore di tshelwe, bogolo le nne le di gravel di kgone go tsamaega gore re kgone go oketsa production mo dikgaolong tse tsa rona.

Tsela e nngwe e e botlhoko thata e e nyalanang le ya Gathwane-Kgoro, ke tsela ya Lorwana-Molapowabojang, ke eo e bo e tsamaya e ya Kgomokasitwa e bo e ya go kopana le A1.

Ke tsaya gore nako ya Dineo borogo jole jwa Nnywane fa bo senyegile re ne re katologa Gaborone.
Ke dumela gore golo moo go re rutile sengwe gore re tlhokana le tsela e nngwe gape e e tlaa nnang khutshwanyane gore re kgone go goroga mo Gaborone.

Ditsela tseo di botlhokwa thata.

Fa go na le e nngwe e e nkutlwisang botlhoko thata Tona ke tsela ya Jwaneng-Maokane.

Banni ba Maokane ga ba kgone go akola meamuso ya kwa Jwaneng.

Ke batho ba ba itekang, ba a dira.

Kgokagano ya rona re le banni ba Maokane le Jawaneng e diriwa botlhoko ke tsela.
Le ka bo Labotlhano fa re re re ya go gorosa baswi, o fitlhela e le gore re a kakologa.

O simolola o thunya o ya kwa dipolaseng kwa ka gore fa o ka re o dirisa tsela e fa o tsena e tla e nna mathata fela, o simolola o baakanya moswi o dira eng e le gore ga se gone tota mo e leng gore re eletsa gore re ka bo re ntse jalo, e bile segolobogolo re le gone fela ka kwa mahureng a moepo o wa Jwaneng.
Ke re tsweetswee tlhe Tona ke a itse gore ga e mo Lenaneong la Ditlhabologo, a ko o ye kwa NDP 12 fela e nne yone tsela ya ntlha go dirwa.

Gape ditsela tse Tona o tle ka tsone o bua gore di tlaa felela di dirilwe mo nakong e e kana ka eng?

Tsela e nngwe e e botlhoko ke tsela ya Kanye-Mmathethe.

Tsela e Tona e dikhuti.

Fa o tsena mo Kanye fale o slack mo e leng gore o felela o tsamaya ka nought.

Ga ke itse gore tota tsela e ke eng o kare e tlodisiwa matlho fela jaana?
A re tlaa iphitlhela e le gore ditsela tsotlhe tse o tsamayang ka tsone go ya kwa production areas ke tse di tlhokomologilweng mo re tlaa iphitlhelang e le gore ga re bone sepe se se re tshwanetseng?

Ditsela tse di a neelana.

Go na le tsela ya Tshweneyagae e e yang kwa ga Segwagwa.

Ke tsela e e botlhokwa ka gore ke ya production area le yone.

Keletso ke ya gore le yone e nne nngwe ya ditsela tse di felelang.
Segolo fa e le gore ga go na sekontere o tle ka metlhale e mengwe e re itseng gore e teng kwa mafatsheng a mangwe a a dirang gore tsela e kgone gore e nne le boleng jo bo rileng.

Matlhale a re a bona a dirisiwa kwa Khoemacau.

Re a itse gore ba kile ba leka go a dirisa kwa bo Boteti.

Ke matlhale a re 3 Hansard No 205Tuesday 22nd March, 2022ORGANISATION 2400 – MINISTRY OF TRANSPORT AND COMMUNICATIONSCommittee of Supply (Resumed Debate) dumelang gore a ka re berekela thata.
Kwa mafatsheng a mangwe ba setse ba resort gore ba dirise matlhale ao ka gore ke matlhale a e leng gore a dira gore batho ba kgone go dirisa tsela botoka.

Tsela ke nngwe ya dilo tse e leng gore ke magokaganya a diphetlhakhumo.

Fa e le teng o tlaa bona botshelo bo simolola go nna teng.

Kgang e nngwe e ke neng ke eletsa thata gore o e ele tlhoko ke gore kana tsela e ya Mmathethe-Metlobo-Bray e re re santse re e letile, ke dumela gore e tlaa re o fetola o bue gore e a go simologa leng.
Tsela e e teng gompieno ya Mmathethe-Metlobo ke molapo.

Molapo wa teng o tshela kwa Metlobo.

O fitlhela e le gore mo matlong jaanong metsi a tla ka mmetela, dikoloi ga di tsamaye.

O fitlhela go le botlhoko tota Tona.

Dilo tse a e re fa re santse re letetse sekontere mme a re dire gore ditsela tse mo nakong ya gompieno di kgone gore di tsamaege re kgone go ntsha dijo kwa masimong.

Re tshogile gompieno ka fa re bonang go na le dipheretlhego ka teng mo lefatsheng gore dijo di tloga di ya kwa tlase.
Re na le mmu o o tshwanang le wa mafatshe a mangwe, mme e bile re na le tshwanelo ya gore re kgone gore re ntshe dijo tse.

Fa ke digela Tona ke re kana o na le di Central Transport Organisation (CTO) Tona, ga ke itse gore di palo e e kae, kgotsa e tlaa re o fetola o tlaa re bolelela.
Ga ke itse gore a o kile wa akanya gore palo ya CTOs ka fa di ntseng ka teng fa re ka di tsaya ra di neela banana gore ba di tsamaise re ka bo re kgonne go fetlha mebereko e le kae, mme e bile gape go ka thusa ka bokete jo bo kana ka eng go nna e re ka lunch go bo gotwe fuel point e tswetswe e tlaa bulwa ka 2:00 p.m?

Golo moo ke dumela gore fa re ka neela banana tshono eo, Motlotlegi Rakgare a bo a ba neela le madi a ba thusa gore ba di tsamaise, ga e ka ke ya nna mmoafela.
E bile ke dingwe tsa dikgang tse e leng gore re le phathi ya ga Domkrag, re ne re di ipeile pele go bona gore re ya go dira diphetlhamebereko tse di ntseng jang gore bagarona ba kgone gore ba obe lebogo.

Ke tsaya gore ke di atlhaatlhile Tona, mme ke ema nokeng kopo e ya gago e. Ke re a ko madi ao a nne teng re ye go bona pharologanyo e e seng kana ka sepe, lesaka la rona la Mmathethe-Molapowabojang la ditsela e nne lone le re le eletsang.

Ke a leboga.
Ke a leboga.

(MR MMUSI): Thank MINISTER OF DEFENCE, JUSTICE AND SECURITY you Mr Chairperson.

Mma le nna ke go dumedise mongwame le batlotlegi mosong ono.

Rraetsho, le nna ke lebogela sebaka se ke se filweng se gore ke akgele e bile ke eme nokeng Tona Segokgo mo kopong e a e beileng Palamente ya madi a ngwaga o, o o tlang o. Honourable Minister Segokgo, mma ke go akgolele tiro e ntle e o e dirang mo lefatsheng le, re a e bona rraetsho, mme fela ke batla go latlhela dikgannyana di se kaenyana fela.
Re bone mo pegong e o neng o re e baya pele maabane, o bua thata ka public internet infrastructure.

Rraetsho, mo kgaolong ya rona ya Gabane-Mmankgodi, tota kgang e e santse e saletse kwa morago fela thata, ke ne ke kopa gore o bue le bone ba Botswana Communications Regulatory Authority (BOCRA), ba kile ba tla mo kgaolong, ba re bolelela gore ba ya go tsenya internet mo dikoleng, clinics le mo Dikgotleng, mme sebaka ke se.
Ke dumela gore gongwe legale ba ne ba diiwa ke COVID, ga ke itse rraetsho, mme sebaka ke se ga re ise re bone ba gorogile.

Ke ne ke re fela ke a go kopa, kana Kgaolo ya Gabane-Mmankgodi e gaufi le toropo thata, mme e bile e ka kgona gore fa internet e le teng, bana ba rona ba kgone gore ba access, ba kgone gore ba tsene, ba bone dithuso tse di rileng ka yone rraetsho.
E bile gape ke lebogela gore le yone postal services o a eletsa gore o ka e dira gore e nne 24/7, e bereke bosigo le motshegare ka gore o batla go atolosa maranyane mo go yone.

Rraetsho, re na le diposo mo kgaolong ya rona ya Gabane-Mmankgodi tsa bo Metsimotlhabe, mme kana mo kgaolong, re santse re na le bothata jwa dibanka.
Ke a itse gore kwa diposong malatsing a, le leka go tlisa electronic banking mo diposong, mme ke a go kopa gore o itlhaganedise gore at least mo dikgaolong tsa rona bo Mmankgodi jaana, re kgone go nna le kwa re ka bayang (deposit) le kwa re ka tsayang madi teng.

Mme e bile re leboge gore tota postal offices tse di ka bo di bereka bosigo le motshegare, seven days a week.

Golo moo ke mo re go tlhokang gore go nne le maranyane.
Di ka re thusa jaaka ke bua gore batho mo kgaolong, re kgone to access madi fa re a tlhoka ka bofefo, re kgone gore re a tseye, mme e bile maranyane a re thuse ka tse dintsi.

So, ke sone selo se ke neng ke se eletsa.

Gape rraetsho, re na le metse e megolwane e ke dumelang gore o e akanyetse mo go e tsenyetseng diposo.

Re na le motse o tshwana le Mmokolodi.

Mmokolodi ke motse fela o motona rraetsho, mme fela o santse o sena poso.

Re ne re re o o akanyetse gore o o tsenyetse poso ka bofefo.
Le e mengwe fela metse ya rona, ke dumela gore e ka re thusa ka gore dibanka di santse di bona gongwe go le bokete, gore di ka ya go bula, mme poso yone e ka re thusa gore re simolole go bereka, re bone go banka mo kgaolong ya rona.

4 Hansard No 205Tuesday 22nd March, 2022ORGANISATION 2400 – MINISTRY OF TRANSPORT AND COMMUNICATIONSCommittee of Supply (Resumed Debate) Rraetsho, mma ke tsene mo go tsa ditsela; road transport and safety.
Re a lemoga gore mo lefatsheng mo o a leka mongwame, gore o bule ditsela, mme le Honourable Dikoloti o sa tswa go akgola ka tsela e o sa tswang go e bula mosong ono ya Boatle-Gaborone dual carriage, e fedile.

Kana Honourable Minister, o a itse mongwame gore mo tseleng e, re ne re solofetse thata gore o ya go re direla off-road e e tshwanetseng gore e tswe mo go yone, e ye go tsena kwa Mmokolodi, mme e santse e saletse kwa morago.

Jaanong o tswa go bula tsela, mme e sa felela.


Kana tsela e fa e ne e ka bulwa, e ne e ka kgona gore e re thuse, e dirwe le yone e e tswang mo tseleng ya Mmokolodi, re na le bo 6 kilometres (km) go tswa mo Mmokolodi go ya kwa Tloaneng, le ene o ne o ka mo re gaagaa, wa mo tshela sekontere rraetsho.
Batho ba Tloaneng kana e tsoga e kete kamoso o ba dirile selo sengwe, jaanong ga ke itse, gongwe o kile wa leka go ya go kopa sengwe, mme ke ne re dira rraetsho o baakanye tsela eo tlhe mongwame, e tsene mo tseleng, e baakangwe, e nne yone.

Ga o ka ke wa ya go bula tsela, e nngwe wa e tlogela e ise e bo e simololwe, ka gore e bile e ne e ntsheditswe madi, go dirilwe sengwe le sengwe, e dirilwe designs, ga go na sepe se se saletseng kwa morago.
So mongwame, Honourable Minister, a e re ngwaga o, tsela e ya Mmokolodi e bo e wetse.

Ke batla go go akgola rraetsho, re a bona mo toropong ya Gaborone, o dira mafaratlhatlha a ditsela, a mantle a re dumelang gore a ya go fokotsa traffic fela thata.

Ke batla go go akgola.


Ke a leboga gore Honourable Minister Peggy Serame e rile maloba fa a bega mo kgannyeng ya gagwe ya madi a lefatshe leno, a budget, a bua gore tsela ya rona ya Mogoditshane Spar-Gabane- Kumakwane-Mmankgodi Junction, e tlaa dirwa mo ngwageng o wa madi o. O e bonetse madi.

Tsela e ga re bolo go e emela, re e lelela.


Ke ntse ke tobatoba le kwa ofising ya gago, ke na le Honourable Minister Rakgare le Mopalamente Motaosane, le bone ke a ba akgola, gore mo tseleng e re ntseng re e tshwaraganetse, re e bereka bosigo le motshegare, mme ke lebogela gore gompieno a bo Puso e re nnyaa, mme tsela e re tlaa e dira.
Fa o bua Sekgoa wa re, “under the Reset Agenda to review and implement it in the course of the financial year.” Kgang eo e bokete, o e gatelele thata go se ka ga ba ga sutlha sepe gore tsela e e se ka ya ba ya dirwa.

E ka re thusa nna le Honourable Rakgare le Honourable Motaosane.

Ke dumela gore le ene Honourable Gare le bo Honourable Kwape go ya go tsena kwa bo Kanye.
Batswana ba ba tlang mo tseleng e phakela le phakela ba tla mo Gaborone, ba ka kgona gore ba imologe, ba kgone gore ba fefose dinao, ba lese go tsena late mo tirong.

Rraetsho, ke ne ke re o a itse gore tsela e kana e na le ditsela tse di tshwanetseng go tswa mo go yone.
Go na le yone tsela e e tswang mo Gabane e ya kwa Tloaneng, le yone batho ba Gabane le Tloaneng go ya go tsena Mmankgodi, off-road e ba e emetse ka dinao tota ba a e batla, mme fela re e solofetse gore e tlaare fa tsela e e dirwa, tsela e le yone e tlaabo e dirwa jaaka o ntsholofeditse rraetsho.

A re bone gore tsela e e a dirwa mo ngwageng o wa madi.
Ke tsela fela e e ka fokotsang mosuke o montsi, o tswa ka bo Manyana, o tsena ka bo Mmankgodi, Tloaneng, Gabane, o bo o kgona go tsaya le yone e ya Mmokolodi.

Rraetsho, o ka bona mosuke o o fokotsega.

Fa o tsaya tsela e le neng le tswa go e bula phakela, ke lemogile gore o kare accidents di wetse kwa tlase e sale e phuthologa, mme le yone ya rona ya Mogoditshane- Gabane-Kumakwane-Mmankgodi, ke dumela gore fa e tla go fela, le wena o tlaa bona gore tota accidents di tlaabo di wetse kwa tlase.
Mme fela ke ne ke batla go gatelela mo go yone e ke re, kana ke letse ke bona mongwe a kwala mo maranyaneng a fora batho ba kgaolo ya me ya Gabane-Mmankgodi, a ba bolelela gore nnyaa, tsela e ga e na go dirwa.

Ke batla go ema ke le mo floor ya Palamente, ke bolelela batho ba kgaolo ya me ya Gabane-Mmankgodi, gore nnyaa, tsela e, e a dirwa.
E mo speech sa gago se o neng o se re baya pele, paragraph 64, wa rurifatsa thata gore tsela e e ya go dirwa rraetsho, mme le bone ba kgaolo, ba Gabane- Tloaneng-Mmankgodi, ba tlaa simolola gore ba bone tsela ya bone e dirwa.

Rraetsho, ke ne ke batla go bua mafoko a le kalo fela ke re re a leboga, re itumetse gore ditsela tse di tlaa dirwa, mme ke re se re lebale mo diposong, ka gore diposo le tsone di ka re thusa.
Re kgona go nna le borukutlhi go sena kwa batho ba bayang madi teng, mme fela maranyane a o reng o tlaa tlisa kwa diposong a rraetsho, re ne re kopa gore o a itlhaganedise, a kgone gore a tle a re thuse gore bagwebi le batsadi ba beye madi a bone, ba kgone gore ba a bone 24/7.

Rraetsho ke go ema nokeng ka madi a gore o ye go dira ditiro, o tlhabolole lefatshe la Botswana.

Le tse dingwe o di buile gore o tlaa di dira ditsela mo lefatsheng la Botswana.
Tswelela fela jalo rra, o tshware ka thata, o bereke, mme ke go eme nokeng gore madi a o a neelwe.

Ke a leboga Modulasetilo.

MR KAPINGA (OKAVANGO): Ke a leboga Mr Chairperson.

Ke lebogela nako e ya go latlhela mo Lephateng la Ditsela le Ditlhaeletsanyo.

Tota kgang ya me ga e ka ke ya nna teleletelele, e nngwefela fela gore Kgaolo ya Okavango ga e na ditsela Mr Chairperson.
5 Hansard No 205Tuesday 22nd March, 2022ORGANISATION 2400 – MINISTRY OF TRANSPORT AND COMMUNICATIONSCommittee of Supply (Resumed Debate) Fa ke simolola, ke batla go lemoga gore e rile ngwaga o tsamaela go fela ngogola, ke ne ka pata Mopalamente wa Ngami ra ya go bona Minister, go mo itsise gore seemo sa tsela ya rona ga se se se siameng gotlhelele.

I want to acknowledge gore, o ne a dira maiteko a gore go ye go dirwa sengwe go leka go tokafatsa seemo.

Bagaetsho, kana fa tsela e sule e a bo e sule.


Ke ne ke bereka le rre yo mongwe a bidiwa gotwe Mr Oreeditse Mautle, o ne a dirisa Sekgoa se se reng, “whipping a dead horse.” Ke gore fa o leka go baakanya tsela e e tshwanang le ya rona jaana, o thiba ka gravel le pre-mix fale le fale, ke maiteko, mme fela at the end of the day, unless you decide go aga tsela sesha, it is like whipping a dead horse.
Fa ke rialo ga ke reye gore ke nyatsa maiteko a Tona a a dirileng, ke batla go supa fela gore seemo se fetile selekanyo se this patchwork can be of a lasting effect.

Go batla fela gore Goromente yo o busang, a lese go dikologa jaaka a re dikolosa seolo jaana a bua ka Public Private Partnership (PPP), a tseye tshwetso fela ya gore tsela e is an emergency and go tlhokafala gore e batlelwe madi ka lepotlapotla e dirwe, ka gore ga se tsela that can be patched bagaetsho.
Ke tsela e botlhokwa jwa yone for kgaolo ya rona go sa tlhokafaleng gore bo gatelelwe.

Fa re bua jaana Mr Chairperson, sepatela sa rona go a pala gore se bulwe, and lengwe la mabaka a gore sepatela se bo se pala gore se bulwe ke gore, babereki ba gana go tla kwa kgaolong ya rona ba lebile seemo sa tsela ya rona gore kgaolo e ga e a tlhabologa, e saletse kwa morago, it is under-developed.

Ke mang yo o tlaa batlang go berekela mo kgaolong e le tsela fela ya tsela e senang yone.
Se se re beile ka fa mosing Mr Chairperson, e bile ke go feta ka fa mosing.

Re solofela gore mo bokhutshwaneng, borogo jwa Mohembo bo tlaabo bo fedile, mme kana batho ba ba etelang kwano ba bona borogo jwa Mohembo, ba bona bontle jwa teng, ba bona ka fa bo dirilweng ka teng, sa ntlha se ba se buang ke gore ao!

Goromente o ka le direla borogo jo bontlentle jaana, mme a palelwa ke go le direla tsela e e yang kwa go jone.

Ke potso e e botswang ke an ordinary visitor, yo o etelang ka kwano.
Fa o bo pota ka kwa Mr Chairperson, o tsena mo kgaolong e e bidiwang gotwe Okavango East, go tswa fa Mohembo go ya kwa Gudigwa, go worse go feta ka kwano kwa re lelang teng gore tsela e kile e bo e le teng ga e sa tlhole e le teng, ka gore bone le sekonotere ga ba se itse mo kgaolong eo, since 1966.

Kwa Botlhabatsatsi jwa Okavango, ga ba itse gore sekonotere ke eng.
Jaanong go nna bokete mo go nna ke le Mopalamente gore, tota le fa ke ka re I prioritise ka gore gatwe one step at a time, fa ke ka bua fela ka tsela ya ka kwano ke bo ke sa bue ka ya Gudigwa, batlhophi ba tlaa bona gore nnyaa go raya gore monna yo jaanong rona o re latlheletse.

Kgang e ke batlang go e baya fa pele ga ga Tona ke gore, rraetsho seemo sa ditsela mo kgaolong ya rona se maswe thata.

Se maswe fela thata mo se tlaa tsenyang batho ba Okavango mowa o e seng one.
Ke kopa kgang ya PPP e e senang timelines le milestone dipe, e e sa supeng gore fa re ntse re re we will fund it ka PPP mo nakong e re buang gompieno jaana re tsamaya fa kae, e tlaa re mo kgweding tse thataro re bo re le fa kae, re solofela gore e bo e le funded ka nako efe.

Mo go buiwang fela gore nnyaa we have referred it kwa PPP, go itshupa gore tota ga gona sepe se se ka re fang tsholofelo ya gore tsela e ya rona e tlaa dirwa.
Fa borogo bo fela rraetsho, mo kgaolong go na le dikopo tsa gore kampa e e neng e dirisiwa ke the contracting company, le ka thusa jang morafe o o gaufi le borogo to benefit from those facilities.

Information e re nang le yone ke gore, Lephata la gago la Road Transport and Safety le ya go fudugela kwa diofising tse di kwa borogong tseo.
Go na le matlo mangwe, a batho ba dumelang gore morafe, as part of Corporate Social Responsibility (CSR) ya maloba Molebatsi a re e mo molaong, re dumela gore buildings tseo di ka thusa morafe wa Mohembo West le East, go dira sengwe se se ka tsenyang letseno mo go bone.

Re balela le pontoons tse di kwa Mohembo, fa Goromente a ka reetsa megopolo e e tlaa tlisiwang ke trusts kwa go ene gore those pontoons di rekisediwe trusts, ba kgone go dira ditiro tsa bojanala Mr Chairperson.
Ke atle e re ke bua ke re Shakawe is a frontier town.

Frontier town in the sense ya gore ke one motse o mogolo o o gaufi le molelwane wa rona le Namibia.

Molelwane o leads to Okavango East and to Ovambo Land.

Ke gore Northern Namibia ka bo ene, molelwane o can lead you there.
Ke dumela gore it is a significant trade route, e e leng gore gompieno jaana it is being frustrated, because ga gona tsela e the transporters tse di tswang kwa Zambezi Region, Okavango East le Ovambo Land ba ka e dirisang go ya go goroga kwa botlhaba le borwa jwa Botswana kana go fetela kwa Johannesburg.

Pele ga tsela e ya rona e senyega thata, trucks di ne di tswa kwa Rundu, Oshikoto le kae mo ditoropong tsa Namibia, di feta ka motse wa rona wa Shakawe di ya kwa go iwang teng e bong kwa South Africa.
Gompieno jaana di eme, because they have realised gore tsela e ga se e e ka dirisiwang ke motho a rata koloi ya gagwe.

6 Hansard No 205Tuesday 22nd March, 2022ORGANISATION 2400 – MINISTRY OF TRANSPORT AND COMMUNICATIONSCommittee of Supply (Resumed Debate) Ke batla go digela Tona, ka Information Communication Technology (ICT).

Go a lebega go na le maiteko a go gasa ICT, internet speed mo Shakawe is one of the best, I can attest to that.
Ke na le mathata le dikole tse di agiwang ka letlhaka in the constituency, tse di senang motlakase, ga di na eng.

Ngwana yo o tsenang kwa dikoleng tseo Honourable Minister, ene opportunity ya gagwe to benefit from digitalisation that is going to benefit dikole, e ya go tla leng fa e le gore these facilities are left behind.
Ke bua ka palo fela e e significant, ba Ministry of Basic Education kana ke ba Ministry of Local Government and Rural Development ba tlaa go paledisa gore o gorose ditirelo tse kwa Motswaneng mongwe le mongwe yo di mo lebaganeng.
Jaanong ke kopa gore e re le ntse le bua kwa le buang teng, o ba bontshe gore for you to be able to disseminate these services to everyone, o tlhoka gore o fitlhele the facilities that match standard sa malatsi a. Tse o tlaa kgonang go tsenya broadband internet and digital boards mo go tsone, tse di tlaa rutang bana.

That will enable ngwana wa kwa Xhaoga le Shaikarawe gore le ene nako nngwe a ipone a ya kwa sekoleng a tshotse tablet, a itse gore le ka sekoleng sa gagwe maranyane ao a teng.
Ba se ka ba a utlwalela kwa Gaborone, Maun kana kwa Shakawe.

Le bone a goroge kwa go bone.

Ke a leboga Mr Chairperson.

MR MAJAGA (NATA-GWETA): Ke a go leboga Modulasetilo, Rraagwe Nkamo.

Ke go dumedise sir.

Ke dumedise le Batlotlegi Mapalamente otlhe a lefatshe la Botswana.

Fa ke bua kgang e, ke a tlalelana, ga re ke lele.

Letsatsi leno ke phaketse ka 12 o’clock midnight ke rapela.

Ke a tle ke ye mo ditseleng tsa me ke dupa ka ditaola gore ke bone gore mathata ke eng.
Letsatsi leno ke rapetse ka gatwe go na le Modimo.

Fa o ka ntebelela, ke apere bosweu le botala jwa loapi le sethunya se se ntle.

Ka ga re na nako, ga re mo mafokong a ga Tautona.

Ke go ema nokeng Tona mo kopong ya gago ya madi.

Madi ao a mannyennyane fela thata.

A a tlhaela, re a itse.

Re ka bo re bua jaana re na le P15 billion, go kopilwe kwa Japan le China go lwantsha seemo sa ditsela.

Ke gone motho a neng a ka re, re ya golo gongwe.


Jaaka bakaulengwe Hikuama, Kenny le Molao ba ntse ba lela, selelo se se tona ga se koo se kwano.

Se tshwana le sa bone, mme se ka tshosa batho fa re bua ka ditsela.

Fa ke bua jaana, ga go na motlakase mo kgaolong ya me yotlhe.

Ke kopile fa mabentleleng mangwe a a dirisang generator gore ke kgone go bua mo kgannyeng.

Ke ne ke tlaabo ke se lesego ka fa o le mo kgaolong, go nna le mathata.
Ke gakologelwa mafoko a ga Motlotlegi Nkaigwa, Mopalamente wa maloba, I think e ne e le mo Sunday Standard ya di 21 tsa 2021.

A bua gore Tautona Masisi o batla support ya rona rotlhe re le Batswana gore lefatshe le tle le ye pele.

Fa go pala sengwe le sengwe, ga go ka ke gatwe Majaga mo lefatsheng la Botswana, ga go ka ke gatwe Minister Segokgo, go tlaabo gotwe Tautona Masisi o a palelwa kana o paledisiwa ke batho.
Le nna kwa kgaolong fa dilo di pala, gatwe Mopalamente le fa go palelwa a teacher, Mokhanselara kana ba roads.

Diemo tse di teng.

Motlotlegi Segokgo e re re go ema nokeng mo kopong ya gago ya madi, ke bue ka ditsela.

Nnyaa, o bona ele ya PPP, go and sit down on the drawing table le ba Ministry of Finance e dirwe sentle, e tlaare tlhobosa batho.

Francistown-Nata e builwe maloba ke Tona Matsheka a bua ka PPP.

E buiwa le kwa Shakawe; ditsela di fedile, e bile di sule.
Letsatsi leno phakela ke fa ke re ke balelwe diteraka tse di fetang mo tseleng ya Nata, so far, go setse go fetile 200.

Gakere gatwe, ke duela batho P100 letsatsi leno gore ba di bale.

Tsela e, e ka bo e dirilwe ka 2008, ya emisiwa, jaanong ga re ka ke ra tlhola re kgona madi a yone.

Ditsela tse di ya go re ntsha mo Pusong Rre Segokgo.

Di ya go ntsha Tautona Masisi mme a batla gore di dirwe.
Ke kopa gore a re ko re emeng re dire ditsela tsa lefatshe la Botswana, regardless of partisan or what, ke go kope rra.

Sengwe se se ka dirang gore re kgone ke gore, ke ne ka tlisa Motion wa National Road Agency.

Ke one fela o ka kgonang ka one, mo o santse o le mo tshamekong Tona.

O santse o le mo tshamekong tota e e tona fa o ka se ka wa tsenya Lephata la National Road Agency le le tlaa tswelelang le dira ditiro, o bo o re as a ministry, o ka kgona ditiro.
Nnyaa, Thakadu, tlhwaafala o itlhoboge Mokwena, ga o ka ke wa di kgona.

Mafatshe otlhe a dirile those strategies.

National Road Agency e na le ditsela, tollgates, ke yone e ka bong e lebagane le PPP.

Wena o bo o re o ka di kgona re santse re palelwa ka tsa gravel.

Re palelwa ke to maintain tsa Molepolole.

Kgang eo o e bone jalo; Francistown-Nata, Nata-Maun.

Maloba ke go ratile thata mme fa ngwaga o fela, ke motlhophi wa gago.

Bana ba me ba tsena mo Kgosi Kgosi mo Tlokweng, ke nna le wena.
Ke ne ke go ratile ke re, go tsene namane e tona Thakadu, seepa matsatsa, ditsela di tlaa epiwa, di tlaa siama.

O tlile kwa Nata gabedi, gararo le Tona Kabo Morwaeng, o bo o solofetsa tsela ya Maun-Nata gore e tlaa baakanngwa fa e sentsweng teng ke Dineo.

Ke sone se se dirileng gore ke phakele ke ya go rapela, ke dire ditaola ke bone gore mathata ke eng.

Ditaola le dithapelo di ganelela mo go wena le ministry wa gago, ga di ganelele gope gape.
Tsela eo e sentswe 7 Hansard No 205Tuesday 22nd March, 2022ORGANISATION 2400 – MINISTRY OF TRANSPORT AND COMMUNICATIONSCommittee of Supply (Resumed Debate) ke Dineo.

Ditsela tsotlhe tsa Dineo di dirilwe, go setse ya Nata fela.

Ga ke itse gore le batla gore yo o emetseng batho ba Nata a reng Segokgo?

Ke rata Mapalamente le Matona a south thata.

Ga ke batle go bua ka north, ke na le mabaka, ke ne ke tlhola ke rialo.
Go tlaare ngwaga o o fela Thakadu, fa go sena se se diragetseng, ke bo ke bua mo Palamenteng e, gongwe o ka kopa gore le wena o ithole jaaka Balopi.

Go a bo go se molato, e a bo e le gore ga re a go neela madi kana o sa implement National Road Agency e e ka go thusang go dira ditsela because re na le seemo.

Re a itse gore Setlhomo, Never, Regoeng le Pule ba a lela.

Re a itse gore ga go na yo o sa leleng ka ditsela mme those are international roads.

Jaanong letsatsi leno ke tlaa felela ke bua ka ditsela.
Diposo; ga ke na diposo sir.

Nata le Gweta ke dikhuruntlhwane tse di tshwanang le police stations tsa ga Mmusi tsa 1962.

Tsotlhe, ga go na se se tlhabololwang.

Ga go na sepe se o ka se bonang.

Ke tlhola mo kgaolong, ke ntse ke na le ba tandabala ke iponela, ga ke bue magatwe.

Maloba ke ne ke ile kwa go tsa Tutume le Sebina, ke motho yo ke dumelang ka go bona.

Ga go na le fa e le network fa o kgethela koloi.

Koloi ya me e nngwe e ntse ka gore ga re kgethele koloi.

O ya go isa madi o bo o leta.


Improve the postal services; ke yone e e neng e re tshwere mo dinakong tsa maloba.

ICT; ke kopa gore le yone o e tokafatse.

Mapalamente ba ne ba tlaa fenya botlhe ba le kwa dikgaolong, ba tsena Palamente and campaign.

Fa go sena ICT, re ya go nna mo toropong, re bo re lebala kwa.

E ne e le a forum e re e diretsweng ke botsamaisi jwa Palamente gore re nne re lekola mme dilo tseo ke mathata.
Seporo sa Mosetse; plan ya lona a e nne Mosetse-Sowa- Kazungula gore se tle se thuse le batho, se rwale letswai.

Ga ke re project e molato mme le yone a e tsosiwe gore e tle e baakanye tsela ya Kasane.

E setse e simolotse go swa, ke potholes go tswa kwa Nata as I speak.

Ke ne ke le kwa Kazungula maloba ke tsamaya ke dira tse ke di dirang mo lefatsheng la Botswana.

E simolotse, jaanong fa o ka bo o tsentse seporo, tsela eo e ne e ka nna safe.
Zoroga mongwe o poma ka yone, ke gore ke motho yo o sa tshabeng molao.

Ke bo ke ipotsa gore babereki ba gago rraetsho, ka bone ke Permanent and Pensionable (P&P), nna le wena re ba konteraka ya five years, three years o wetse, ke eng le sa laole?

Tautona o batla dilo tse di diragalang.

Fa o mmolelela fela, o batla dilo tse di diragalang.

Le lona boTona, laolang le itse gore le berekela mo five years batho ba Modimo.

Badiredi ba bangwe ba Puso ba maphata ga ba dire dilo tse di tshwanetseng.
Dilo tse Thakadu, seepa matsatsa, jaaka ke e tle ke go boke, o ne wa taboga lefatshe le o tlhola ditsela.

O dire se se tshwanetseng gore re tle re go rate jaaka pele.

Motho o ratiwa ka ditiro tsa gagwe.

Fa o ka dira jaaka Rakgare le Molebatsi, go riana fa o ba bolelela o re ke batla go sega paddocks, dirang madi gore banana ba tsene ka fa dipoding, ba a reetsa ba bo ba re, re tlaa se dira, fa go padile ba a go bolelela.
Re batla batho ba ba dirang jalo ka gore ga re fa go nnela ruri, re batla ditiro di nne di dirwe.

Tsela ya Nata-Francistown, batho ba sule, ba fedile, dibase ga di tsamaye.

Ya Dineo ya Gweta fa e le gore e ya go ntesa ke tla ke jewa ke ditlhopho, ke tlaa bo ke itse gore ke jesitswe ke mang.

Yo a njesitseng ga a na go ya go tshela sentle fa a le mo Ntlong e. Fa re phatlalala mo Ntlong e ke tlaabo ke itse gore ke ene yo o njesitseng.

Yang kwa Batswaneng le ba bolelele gore ke eng ditsela tseo di sa dirwa.
Le rile le ya go dira tsela ya Maun- Zoroga-Nata maloba, tender ka October le gompieno.

Jaanong re tlaa dira dilo jang fa go nna jaana?

Maloba bo Rra Nkamo ba ne ba lela le bo Molao; Mmandunyane- Mathangwane, Francistown-Nata.

Naare re sentse eng?

A re adimeng madi jaaka re adimile a World Bank a metsi gore o tle o dire ditsela.

Jaanong dikgang tse… MR CHAIRPERSON: Honourable Majaga, thank you very much.

MR MAJAGA: Nnyaa, go tlaa nna mathata.

Jaanong ke nna mo dikgaolong tsotlhe.


Ga ke lowe, le tlaa nna le mpona mo dikgaolong ka bontsi ke iponela gore a go tshwana le kwa ke leng teng.

Ke na le roads mo Nata, ke kopa gore nako nngwe fa o ya Kasane kana Maun morwa Segokgo, o tle o eme mo go nna mo Nata 10 minutes.

Re ye kwa diofising tsa roads tsa Nata o ye go ba botsa gore a ga ba na grader.
Ke gore ditsela tsa Nata from Central Transport Organisation (CTO), e e neng ya fiwa matlo a le 100 gotwe e a godisiwa, ba palelwa ke to grade tsela ya Nata fela.

Le yone e e suleng ya Zoroga-Gweta, ba palelwa ke to grade it.

Grader gatwe e ntse fela kwa MR KABLAY (LETLHAKENG-LEPHEPHE): Thank you Mr Chairperson.

Le nna rraetsho ke re ke tle ke eme nokeng budget e ya ga Tona.

Ke supe gore madi a gagwe a mannyennyane re lebile ditsela tse e leng gore ke mathata mo lefatsheng.
Ke tsamaelana le Honourable Majaga gore tota fa go ka bo go kgonagala go ka bo go adimiwa madi re tla go dira ditsela tse e leng mathata mo lefatsheng la rona.

Ke go leboge Tona gore maloba o ne wa šhafatsa ditsela tsa Shadishadi, Sojwe, 8 Hansard No 205Tuesday 22nd March, 2022ORGANISATION 2400 – MINISTRY OF TRANSPORT AND COMMUNICATIONSCommittee of Supply (Resumed Debate) Lephephe le Boatlaname.

Re a leboga rraetsho go bo o dirile jalo.

Go botoka.

Potholes tsele di tsamaile.


Ke lebogela fela seo Mr Minister.

Mr Chairperson, ke bue gore Tona o ne a lebala gore re na le one kilometre (km) road e e tswang mo sekontereng e ya go tsena kwa Kgotleng ya Lephephe.

Tsela eo rra ya 1 km eo ga e a diriwa.

Jaanong ke kopa Tona gore a tsela e ya 1 km go tswa fa ditsela di kgaoganang teng fa a go itseng go ya go tsena kwa Kgotleng ya Lephephe e diriwe, batho ba bogale o kare ba ka ntshwara ka diatla.

Ke sone se ke reng rraetsho ke tle ke se kope.


Gape ke bue gore sekgwa se tlhogile mo tseleng go tswa Molepolole go ya Lephephe.

Tsela e jaanong ke sekgwa fela Mr Chairperson.

Ke kopa gore fa Tona a bone gore jaaka a tlhola a dira, tsela e gore e remiwe gore e re diphologolo di iphitlhile ba ba kgweetsang dikoloi ba tle ba kgone go di tila.

Fa a dira jalo Mr Chairperson, a leke gore a thape ampo go dire bana ba kgaolo ele ka gore ga ke bone gore a ke sepe se se bokete.
Ke se e leng gore bana ba kgaolo ya bo Lephephe, Boatlaname, Sojwe, Shadishadi ba ka ikopanya ba bona gore tsela ele ba e dira jang gore le bone ba tle ba tseye sengwenyana ka gore botshelo malatsi a bo kwa teng, bo maswe, go thata Mr Chairperson.

Ke sone se ke neng ke re rraetsho ke tle ke fete ka sone.

Mr Chairperson, ke bue gore na le mathata le ditsela tsa kgaolo.

Jaaka Tona a ne a tsamaya maloba a bona, kgaolo e ke e emetseng ditsela tsa yone di maswe fela thata.
Fa o tsaya motse gatwe Malwele, fa pula e na metsi a teng a goroga kwa Letlhakeng mme a tsamaya ka tsela e dikoloi di tsamayang ka yone.

Tona, ke bone maiteko a gago gore re ne re leka go kganela metsi maloba mme ga go na sepe se se diragetseng.

Fa dipula jaaka di na jaana, ke mathata!

Batho fa ba tswa fa e le gore ba ya Letlhakeng, ga go na fa ba tsamayang teng, tsela e tletse metsi go tswa mo Malwelwe go ya kwa Letlhakeng.
Jaanong ke kopa Tona gore a re emeng ka dinao re bone gore tsela e re e baakanya jang.

Rraetsho, ke na le mathata le ditsela ka kgaolo e ke e emetseng e tona.

Mo tseleng ya Malwelwe, go na le motsana gatwe Setshe.

Golo foo ke megobe.

Re sale re ikuela mo lephateng la gago gore megobe e go bonwe gore go dirwa jang.

Fa dipula di nele, ga go na batho ba ba fetang teng, megobe e e a tlala.

Fa balwetse ba tshwanetse gore ba ye sepatela, ga go na fa ba tlolang teng ka gore megobe e e ya bo e tletse metsi.
Jaanong ke ne ke go kopa Tona gore a lephata la gago le ye go bona gore le ka dira jang ka megobe le gore batho bagarona ba tle ba thusege.

Rraetsho, re a itse gore go thata, ga go na madi a sekontere.

Se ke neng ke se kopa jaaka re tlhola re ntse re kopa gore ditsela tsa rona jaaka di le maswe jaana, segolo Tona a ga o ka ke wa hira boradikonteraka gore e re kgwedi le kgwedi, dikgwedi tse pedi ba nne ba re gopela (grade) tsela jaaka o ne o ntse o dira pele?

O emisitswe ke eng Tona?


Ditsela tsa bo Moshaweng, Malwelwe, Botlhapatlou, Ngware, Monwane, Loologane, ga o ka ke wa tsamaya mo go tsone Mr Chairperson.

Mathata ke gore ga go na graders.

Graders tsa ga Goromente fa o kopa gompieno gatwe e senyegile.

Jaanong re ne re kopa Mr Chairperson gore a go emiwe ka dinao rraetsho re bone gore graders di nna teng ka madi ga a yo a sekontere, re tle re bone gore ditsela tse re ka di grade jang.

Mr Chairperson, ga go na botshelo fa tsela e seyo.


Ditsela tse di maswe, bana ba rona ba itekile, boradikhombi ba rona ba itikile, ba na le dikhombi mo dikgaolong tse.

Dikhombi tsa bone di tsaya beke fela di bo di kgautlhana ka gore tsela ga e yo.
They do not mind gore go na sekontere mme fela ba ne ba kopa gore, “segolo fa re ka gopelwa tsela go ka nna botoka re ka kgona go tsaya batho ra ba isa kwa ba batlang go ya teng.” Jaanong re ne re kopa fela Mr Chairperson, ka gore re tsaya gore go tsenya sekontere e tsile go nna mathata.

Mr Chairperson, ke ne ke itse gore jaaka Tona a bua gore madi ga a yo, mme ke mo kopa gore rra a segolo re tsenye sekontere mo motsaneng wa Mmantshwabisi ka gore ga o kgakala le sekontere.
Ke five km go tswa mo motsaneng gatwe Matlagatse.

Motse o gotweng Matlagatse o mo tseleng ya Letlhakeng.

Jaanong ke ne ke go kopa Tona segolo rra gore batho ba kgaolo ya rona ba tle ba kgone gore nnyaa mme Goromente go na le sepe se a se dirang, a re tsenye sekontere mo kgaolwaneng ya Mmantshwabisi, five km go tswa kwa Matlagatse.

Se se ka re thusa fela thata, batho bale ba ka kgona gore le bone botshelo bo nne botoka mo go bone.
Ke gakolole gape Mr Minister gore kgang e ya sekontere rraetsho ga ke batle go boela kwa morago.

Ke ne ke go gakolola maloba gape gore rraetsho fa re ka tsenya sekontere gape go tswa Molepolole go ya Moshaweng, go ya go tsena kwa Jwaneng, e tlaabo e le sekontere se se ka thusang fela thata.

Batho bagarona ba ka se ke ba tlhole ba ya go boa kwa bo Kanye fa ba ya Jwaneng.

Batho ba ba tswang North ba ka se ke ba tlhole ba ya go boa kwa bo Kanye go ya Jwaneng.
Ba ka boa fela fa Molepolole ba bo ba wela sekontere ba bo ba ya Jwaneng ba feta ka Moshaweng.

Jaanong tsela eo rraetsho fa re ka e dira e ka sologela batho ba le bantsi 9 Hansard No 205Tuesday 22nd March, 2022ORGANISATION 2400 – MINISTRY OF TRANSPORT AND COMMUNICATIONSCommittee of Supply (Resumed Debate) molemo.

Jaanong ke go kopa Tona gore a re eme ka dinao re bone gore re ka dira jang ka ditsela tse gaetsho, go se ka ga nna tshootshoo.
Ke sale ke bua leng Mr Minister gore kgaolo ya rona e tsenngwe sekonotere?

Le fa e le tsela e le nngwefela ga e ise e bo e tsenngwe le fa e le sekontere.

Go se ka ga nna go nna tshootsho Minister.

Segolo fa o ka nne o re nnyaa mme ngwaga o wa madi ke dira tsela e, ngwaga o wa madi ke dira tsela e, go ka nna botoka, re ka tsamaya golo gongwe.

Jaanong e seng tshootshoo fela ka gore batho kwa dikgaolong koo ba tsaya gore owai!
Mopalamente o a bo a thulametse kwa Palamenteng, ene fa go buiwa ka ditsela ene o a tlatsa.

Dilo tse Mr Chairperson tse di a re bolaya mo dikgaolong, di a re bolaya mo ditlhophong.

Gompieno gore batho ba go tlhophe, o tshwanetswe ke go supa gore wa re o tlhophelwe eng.

Jaanong kgang e ya ditsela tota ga e re tseye sentle ka gore tsela ke yone mangmang mo botshelong jwa motho.

Mr Chairperson, sa bofelo ke bue gore mo tseleng ya Botlhapatlou, go na le letamo gatwe Moleleme.
Letamo le rraetsho le, le tlhorontsha batho ba kgaolo ya me.

Fa pula di na jaaka di na jaana le a tlala, fa le sena go tlala, le tlhatsetsa mo tseleng ya Botlhapatlou go ya kwa Molepolole.

Go tswa foo ga go na ope yo o ka fetang.

Fa letamo leo le tletse le tlhatsa, batho ba a boa, ba boela Botlhapatlou, Ngware le Diphuduhudu.

Jaanong ntheye o re gore ka dikoloi tsa clinic di isa baimana, balwetse ba ba lwalang thata re tlile go diradira jang?
Ke ne ke kopa Mr Chairperson, a Minister ka lephata la gagwe segolo a re tsenyetse borogo koo, gore fa dipula di na metsi a fete kwa tlase batho ba fete kwa godimo ka dikoloi tsa bone gore ba kgone go dira ditiro tsa bone, ka gore seemo gompieno o fitlhele re saitse gore re raya batho re ba raya re reng.

Ka tsela eo ke yone fela e batho ba fetang ka yone.

Ke ne ke kopa Minister ka boikobetso gore o re direle borogo kwa Moleleme.
O re direle borogo batho ba ga rona ba fete, ba kgone go thusega fa ba le mo mathateng.

Ke a leboga Mr Chairperson.

Thank you sir.

MR CHAIRPERSON: Thank you.

Motlotlegi Mopalamente wa Mahalapye Bophirima, Honourable David Tshere.

MR TSHERE (MAHALAPYE WEST): Ke a leboga Modulasetilo wa komiti e, ke go dumedise le bakaulengwe mo mosong o. Ke emelela le nna to support Tona Segokgo ka kopo e a e beileng, ke mongwe wa Matona ba ke lebeletseng thata se a se dirang kwa lephateng.
Jaanong ke tsaya gore o dira tiro e ntle, ka jalo o tshwanetse a rotloediwe ka madi jaaka a kopa.
Mme ntswa pego ya gagwe e sa bua thata ka Mahalapye, tota e sa bua sepe ka Mahalapye gore, o ya go dira eng kwa Mahalapye mo ngwageng o wa ditlhabololo, re itumela thata gore o tlhalositse gore o ntse o oketsa tsela e ya A1 go e dira mela e mebedi, mme e bile a tlhalosa gore o tlaa simolola kwa Palapye a ya kwa Tonota mo ngwageng one o. E bile o tlaa simolola gape fa Rasesa fa e emang teng a tswelela a ya kwa Dibete.
So kgang eo re a e lebogela, bogolo jang tsela e e nkileng ka bua ka yone ngwaga o o fetileng gone fa, A1 portion e e fa gare ga Rasesa le Artesia, e e senyegileng fela thata Mr Chairperson, ga e tsamaege.

E bile e senya dithaere thata, bogolo jang bosigo.

Jaanong ke itumetse thata gore a re o ya go e tsenya, e bile o ya go e dira a dira mela e le mebedi e e tlaabong e tsamaya mo A1.
Selo se kwa Mahalapye re se lebelela e le gore se ya go re thusa, kana le fa o ka e dira o e simolola kwa Tonota kana o e simolola kwa Rasesa, e ya go feta kwa Mahalapye A1.

Jaanong fa e feta kwa Mahalapye, re na le thulaganyo e ke tlholang ke bua ka yone le Honourable Segokgo e ke eletsang thata gore a e tsenye mo lenaneong la ditlhabololo la bolesome le bobedi e e tlang.
E re fa dual carriageway e e ntse e atolosiwa jaana mo dingwageng gongwe tse pedi, tharo, tse nne, tse di tlaa tlang, e tlaabo e setse e gogorile kwa Mahalapye kwa e yang go kopana teng.

Jaanong fa e kopana go na le western bypass kwa Mahalapye e eleng gore it is in the proposal ya Mahalapye Development Plan 2032 e ke eletsang gore e tsene mo National Development Plan (NDP) 12.
Fa e dirwa jalo dual carriageway eo, e e tlaabong e feta e le western bypass, e tsamaya on the western ka fa bophirima jwa motse wa Mahalapye, go tsamaya e bapisitse power lines tse e leng gore di teng gone ka koo ka fa bophirima jwa motse wa Mahalapye.

E bile e ya go tswa 10 kilometres, ke gore e simolola fa o tswa mo Gaborone o ya Mahalapye, is about 10 kilometres before o tsena mo Mahalapye, e tlaabo e tswa e leba Bophirima, e bo e dikologa le ditshipi tseo.
Go fitlhelela e ya go tswa about 10 kilometres out of Mahalapye.

Tsela e re a e tlhoka, sa ntlha e le gore e tlaabo e fokotsa mosuke mo motseng wa Mahalapye ya A1, jaaka le itse gore fa go na le...bogolo jang ka dinako tsa holidays, Mahalapye ga a tsamaege, not only gore ga a tsamaege, dikoloi tse di fetang fale di dira dikotsi tse di thulang batho ba Mahalapye ba ba tlaabong ba tswa kwa fa Xhosa ba tla ka fa ditlamelong.

Jaanong selo se se baya batho ba Mahalapye ka fa mosing.
Ke selo se re sa bolong go se lelela lebaka le le leele.
Re eletsa thata gore fa tsela e e dirwa ke yone tsholofelo ya rona e tona gore 10 Hansard No 205Tuesday 22nd March, 2022ORGANISATION 2400 – MINISTRY OF TRANSPORT AND COMMUNICATIONSCommittee of Supply (Resumed Debate) o tlaa e lomaganya le District Development Plan 9, gore e re fa e dirwa tsela e e bo e kgona go tokafatsa ditsela tse di fa gare ga motse mo motseng wa Mahalapye, jaaka o tlhola o utlwa Tona o berekisanya le ba Local Government gore, kana ditsela tsa rona di setse di sule, almost all of them they are over 30 years old, over lived their life span.
Re setse re tsamaya fela, re a petšha ka ditena, re a reng, re a leka.

Re tsaya gore fa tiro e tona ya go fetisa tsela ya A1 mo motseng wa Mahalapye fa e ka tshwaraganngwa le District Development Plan (DDP) gore e bo e tlhabolola ditsela tsa internal roads tsa motse wa Mahalapye, e kopana le yone le western bypass e le already existing road infrastructure mo Mahalapye, go ka tlhofofatsa tiro le go dira business mo motseng wa Mahalapye.
Se sengwe gape se se tona se tsela e ya western bypass e yang go se dira, e ke buang ka yone, e e tlaabong e le extension of A1, kana ke A1 tota, e tlaabo e dira bridge mo nokeng Mahalapye River, e eleng gore gompieno jaana borogo jwa teng mo motseng wa Mahalapye bo bongwe fela.
Jaanong ke e tle ke bue gore bo setse bo le bogologolo jaaka ke bua, mo e leng gore fa go ka nna le mathata, fa o tswa mo Gaborone gone fa, go tlaabo gore o fete kwa Dibete o bo o ya go wela kwa Machaneng, ke gone o bo o boela Mahalapye gore o kgone go feta noka ya Mahalapye.

Ga gona gore o ka tsamaya jang, e seng jalo ga re o ye Shoshong, o bo o ya go tsamaya ka bo Moiyabana ka kwa, o ya go wela o tswa kwa Serowe, fa e le gore o ya Francistown.
So tsela e le borogo jo, they are of strategic national importance ka fa ke bonang ka teng.

Borogo jo jo e tlaabong e le dual carriageway le jone bo tlaabo bo tlisa tebego, bo tlhabololola le tebego ya motse wa Mahalapye.

Selo se ke a se leboga, ke sone se ke rotloetsang Tona, re bo re mo abele madi a jaaka a batla.

Se sengwe se ke batlang go digela ka sone mme e bile ke setse ke buisantse thata le Tona kwa dikomiting... HONOURABLE MEMBER: Elucidation.

MR TSHERE: Yes.

MR CHAIRPERSON: Who is that?


HONOURABLE MEMBER: Honourable Lesaso.

ASSISTANT MINISTER OF TERTIARY EDUCATION, RESEARCH, SCIENCE AND LESASO): Point of TECHNOLOGY elucidation.

Ke a leboga my neighbour kwa Mahalapye.


Ke re kana jaaka o bua ka alternative roots, le tsela e ya (MR Dibete e e tswang mo Dibete e ya go tsena kwa bo Otse, gore jaaka o ne o bua gore fa go nna diphatsa dingwe mo tseleng ya A1, ke nngwe e e ka thusang as an access to other economic zones... HONOURABLE MEMBER: ...(Inaudible)... MR CHAIRPERSON: Intshwarele pele Motlotlegi Rraetsho Tona, Motlotlegi Mopalamente wa Lerala- Maunatlala, ke kopa gore o didimatse megala ya gago.
Le kgantele ke go tlogetse fela ka gore ke sisimoga maemo a gago.

Honourable Minister, please go ahead.

MR LESASO: Ee rra, ke ne ke re jaaka tsela ya Dibete- Otse it could serve also as an alternative route, e eleng gore fa e le gore e jaaka o ne o bua gore fa go ka nna le fa re tlhokang gore ditsela tse di ka dirang economic ones tsa Botswana jaaka the sand veldt, e ka kgona go thusa to add to A1.

Ke a leboga Honourable Member.

MR TSHERE: Thank you very much Honourable Lesaso.


Ke ne ke re ke wela ka ya Botswana Railways.

Ke tsaya gore mo nakong e e fetileng gone mo Palamenteng, ke setse ke lemogile ka gore ke ne ke bua le Tona maloba kwa Komiting e e itebagantseng le ICT, e ke nnang mo go yone, e e itebagantseng le dikgang tse, gore go a lemotshega gore nna le Tona jaanong re dumalane.
Kana Botswana Railways e isitswe kwa Mahalapye ka mabaka a gore e ye go tlhabolola itsholole ya motse wa Mahalapye, fela jaaka bo SPEDU di isitswe kwa Phikwe gore di ye go tlhabolola itsholelo.

Jaaka gompieno Botswana Meat Commission e isitswe kwa Lobatse gore di leke go tlhabolola itsholela ya mafatshe ao.
Jaanong e ne e se BR Headquarters fela, gore go bo go na le headquarters, nnyaa e ne e le gore go tshwanetse go nna le workshop where trains will be assembled, refurbishment of trains, repairs of trains.

Jaanong re santse batla that state of the art trade workshop facility e e ka dirang jalo.

E hirile batho ba ba bonalang kwa motseng wa Mahalapye gore e re fa ba tšhaisa jaana ba thibe le letsatsi, batho bao ba ba tlaabong ba tswa mo BR mo motseng wa Mahalapye.
So Tona ke a go rotloetsa thata gore, let us bring ambitious proposals mo Palamenteng ka Botswana Railways.

Ke itumela thata gore mo bogautshwaneng o re boleletse gore board e kgologolo ya Botswana Railways o e ntshitse yotlhe, go na le Acting Chief Executive Officer right now.

O tsenya board e ntšha, we are looking forward to a turnaround strategy kwa Botswana Railways.
Fa ke bua jaana Modulasetilo, terena ga e tsamaye, ka gore matoroko a rona bontsi jwa one ga a letlelelwe kwa South Africa, ka gore it does not meet some of the 11 Hansard No 205Tuesday 22nd March, 2022ORGANISATION 2400 – MINISTRY OF TRANSPORT AND COMMUNICATIONSCommittee of Supply (Resumed Debate) requirements or the required repairs that needs to be done.

So it is not acceptable.

Tse di rwalang magala le letswai are not acceptable.
So golo mo ke kgang e masisi thata, e re tlogelang Botswana Railways e wela ka tlase ka tsela e e welang kwa tlase ka yone.

Fa e le kgang e ya perimeter fence, fence fela e e terateletseng terena, ke matlhabisaditlhong.

The train signals ke matlhabisaditlhong, so re tshwanetse gore re eme ka dinao.

Re e buisantse kwa komiting kgang e le Tona yo o lebanyeng gore a re emele Mahalapye ka dinao.

E bile a re o tla kwa Mahalapye ka Labone jaana, go itebaganya le tsone dikgang tsa Botswana Railways (BR).
Modulasetilo, ke a leboga e bile ke rotloetsa thata gore re fe Tona madi a, a tle a re thuse re wele.

Le kwa BR e tle e dire thomo ya yone e e e rometsweng kwa motseng wa Mahalapye gore e tlhabolole itsholelo ya motse.

Ke sone fela se re se batlang.

Ke sone se o utlwang ke bua ka state of the art train workshops kwa motseng wa Mahalapye jaaka re tlaabo re tlhabolola BR.

Ka mafoko a le kalo Modulasetilo, ke a leboga.

I support the Honourable Minister.

Thank you.


MR CHAIRPERSON: Thank you Honourable Tshere.

Re lebogile Rraagwe Anele.

Go raya gore Motlotlegi Rraarona Rraetsho Tona, mong wa leso, kgwa bakaulengwe ba gago dikgaba.

Nako e feletse gone fa bakaulengwe, ba le sa buang, le tlaa bua mo pakeng e e tlang.

OF TRANSPORT MINISTER AND COMMUNICATIONS (MR SEGOKGO): Ke a go leboga Motlotlegi Modulasetilo.

Tota tla ke tseye Mapalamente ka fa ba akgetseng ka teng, ke tle ke arabe.
Gongwe ga ke na ke kgona gore ke arabe kopo kana potso nngwe le nngwe mme fela ke tlaa dira bojotlhe go leka gore ke di kgarametse, ke bo ke ipaakanyetsa gore ke wetse ka go sutisa gore jaanong tota ke fiwe madi.

Ya ntlha tla ke leboge Honourable Motsamai, le ene a ntseng a eme kopo e nokeng.

Tota fela tla ke soboke lantlha, ke dumela gore Mapalamente otlhe ba bua ka gore madi a ga a ka ke a kgona gore re dire ditsela tsotlhe tse ba di kopang.
Ke itumelela ka fa le ene a boneng go ka nna botlhokwa gore tsela e re neng re e bula maloba, e teelelwe ka mongwe wa ba e saleng ba tswa e le bone ba lwela gore ditsela tse di agwe, bogolo jang tsela e ya Charles Hill-Ncojane.

O ne a ipha matsapa tota le fa re le koo go lemotsha gore tota tsela e ditso tsa yone di 12 tswa kae, le ba e leng gore tota ba lwetse thata tsela e. Go a intumedisa gore ka tsela nngwe, bangwe ba teng ba ne ba kgona go bona gore tsela ke e re ne re sale re e kopa e butswe.
Tla ke mo reye fela ke re ke utlule kopo ya gore re dire fence mo tseleng e ya Trans-Kalahari mme e bile a akanya gore ke e tshwaraganele le Tona ka kwa bo Namibia jalo.

Ke ntlha e ke e tsereng ka ke dumela gore e tlaa tlhoka dipuisanyo tse di amang le Tona wa tsa Bojanala ka gore tota ntlha e nngwe ke gore go ne go lebilwe gore go na le fa diphologolo di kgabolang teng, di se ka tsa thibelwa ke fences.

Ke go utlule ka gore tota re tshwanetse re heme seemo se sa dintsho.
Kopo ya banana ya gore ba nne bone ba ka fiwang gore ba ntshe ditlhare mo tseleng, le yone ke a e amogela.

Ke bona gore e ka thusa thata ka ke tsaya gore ke bone ba ba nang le natla gape mme ga re ka ke ra kgaphela bape fela thata Batswana ba ba ka eletsang gore ba ka tsaya karolo ya ditiro tse.

Gape o ba kopetse le mo metsesetoropong gore ba ntshe dikgomo.
Rra, go lesego Rre Regoeng le Tona Kabo Morwaeng ka gore gongwe ka go tlhoka sebaka sa go bua, mme tsela e o neng o e bua ya Molepolole ya bypass ke e ba e buang gangwe le gape le nna.

Ke batla go solofetsa gore tota yone e mo lenaneong la gore re tla e dira mme re lebile gore mo nakong ya gompieno gongwe re baakanye, re atolose, re fokotse mosuke mo tseleng e e tsamayang fa gare.

Go mosuke go ntse jalo.

O ne wa umaka ditsela ka bontsi tsa Kgaolo ya Ghanzi e bile di tshwaragana le Kgalagadi.
Ke kopa fela gore ke soboke gore ke di tsere, a ke bo Kalkfontein go ya Metsimantsho, bo Ncojane go ya kwa bo Hukuntsi.

Ke di tshotse mme ke tsaya gore re tlaa dira bojotlhe go bona gore re sekaseka jang gore ditsela tse re thuse ka tsone.

Ke tlaa re ke santse ke batla gore ke fiwe sengwanyana fa sa feasibility study ya Trans-Kalahari Road (TKR), ke sutelele kwa go tsa ga Rre Molao.

Ke santse ke letile fela gore ke bone gore re tsamaya fa kae sentle mo go eo.
Tona Molao, tota mafoko a gago a ke a sobokang e bile ke a tsere fela ka gore enough is enough, ke batla go go raya ke re ke utlule tota rra ka seemo se sa tsela ya Mandunyane-Mathangwane.
Le fa ke ntse ke e kgarametsa, ke tlaa fefosa e bile ke tlaa nna mo go yone beke le beke go tlhomamisa gore tota re dira bojotlhe gore jaaka o bolela, dikgoreletsi dipe di tswe fela e Hansard No 205Tuesday 22nd March, 2022ORGANISATION 2400 – MINISTRY OF TRANSPORT AND COMMUNICATIONSCommittee of Supply (Resumed Debate) abiwe.

O ne o re fa e le gore go na le ba ba ipelaetsang, ba tlaa tla ba itshupa ka nako eo rra, mme ke batla fela ke nne mokhutshwane yo o kalo.
Ke go utlule; mafoko a enough is enough, ke a utlule fela thata.

kgone go bona ditlamelo tsa Puso mo maranyaneng ka gone.

Ke sone se o bonang tota re leka ka bojotlhe go tokafatsa ka gore re tsweletse gape ka go gokela maranyane mo go tsone.

Le wena o umaka ditsela tse dingwe tse o neng o bona gore gongwe di dirilwe e bile di tlhoka go dirwa; Mosetse-Lepashe le bo Matsitama, go tsamaya jalo.
Ke batla ke go tshepise gore ntwakgolo ke yone e ya Mandunyane-Mathangwane, re bo re lebelela gore tota re dira jang ka tse dingwe tseo.

O ne o akgela o bolela ka ngongorego ya ba ba goketseng maranyane a ditlhaeletsanyo a; the mobile network operators, maranyane a bo a sa kgontshe batho go tsena mo go one go a dirisa sentle mme o ne o bua ka an Service-Level Agreement (SLA).
Tota fela batho ba ba tshwanetseng gore ba sale batho ba morago ke ba regulator ba Botswana Communications Regulatory Authority (BOCRA) ka gore ke bone ba e reng fa ba ba fa license, ba bo ba ba boleletse gore ba tshwanetse go fa batho thuso e e ntseng jang.

Ke ya go e kopanya le kgang e gangwe le gape e buiwang ke Honourable Never Tshabang.
Ke a lemoga Honourable Molao gore fa ke kopanya kgang e ya gago le e ke e fiwang ke Honourable Never Tshabang gangwe le gape, ya gore go nna le congestion ya network kwa North East, bogolo jang a re during dinako tse di tsamaelanang le public holidays kana bontsi jwa morafe bo setse janaong bo tlile mo magaeng.

It is clear gore capacity e e tshwanetse go godisiwa across the network operators.
Ke yone kgang fela e ke batlang gore ke ye go e nnela fa fatshe le ba BOCRA, go tlhomamisa gore tota seo se a diragala.

E bile ba tsepame mo go lebeleleng, ba sekaseke the performance ya network gone koo ka gore bosheng ba ntse ba dira independent, ba tsaya third parties go lebelela performance ya maranyane ao.

Ga ke a lebala sir; Honourable Molao, post offices tse o di kopileng ke di tsere, bogolo jang o ne wa bua le ka ya kwa Sebina, e le abileng setsha.
Tota poso le fa e tlhaelelwa ke madi, ke jaaka ke bolela, ba mo lebelong tota la go leka go tlhabolola diposo.

E bile ke arabe ke goboka, ke lemoga gore bangwe Mapalamente ba ne ba… Tota diposo tse le go di baakanya jaana, selo se setona se re se lebileng ke gore e tlaa nna tsone di re thusang go isa ditirelo tsa Puso ka maranyane kwa bathong.
Gore e nne the contact point ka gore motho fa gongwe o a bo a sa kgone go ithekela motšhine, computer, bo eng mme fa a ka goroga kwa posong, a fitlhele maranyane a a mo letlang gore a dire e bile a Honourable Motaosane o ne a lebogela tsela e ya Molepolole-Thamaga e e neng e kete e tlaa lala e re tlhobogantse ka gore, hei!

e ne ya tsaya sebaka, e ntse e kile ya re e ne e tshwanetse go abiwa ya boela kwa morago.

Le nna tota ke itumetse gore tsela e jaanong ke foo re a e simolola, re tlaabo re e baakanya.
Mme Selelo sa gagwe se ntse se tsweletse batho betsho ka Thamaga- Kubung, ke a go utlwa tota Honourable Motaosane, ga se ka mabaka a go sa utlwe.

Tota sebesegolo le mathata a matona ke gore, fa ke dira dikopo tse tsa madi, ke fitlhela ke le mo dipitlaganong tse ke fitlhelang fa gongwe di nthaya di re kgarameletsa fa pelenyana go sekae gore o kgone go dira...mme rra o kaile gore o kopa ditsela, mme e bile ke akaretsa ka karetso jaaka Mapalamente a bua, tota fela go re tsenya mo mathateng.
Selo se gongwe re tlhokang go se dira ke gore re dire re-gravelling.

Ke amogela kgakololo e thata, e bile ke tsaya gore ke sengwe sa dilo tse re lekang go fetola ka fa re dirang ka teng, go leka gore bojotlhe jo re ka bo dirang re bo kgona, re leleke go baakanya ditsela tse di itirileng melapo tse.

MR LELATISITSWE: On a point of clarification.

Thank you so much.
Thank you so much.

Motlotlegi Rre Segokgo ke botse fela gore, kana there are new technologies tse di dirisiwang gone fela in our neighbour in South Africa, tse di dirang gore tsela le fa o e dirile gravel jaana e nna o kare ke sekonotere.

Le ya to adopt them leng le le lephata le bone gore dilo tse le a di dirisa mo ditseleng tse tsa rona tse e leng gore ga di na sekonotere rraetsho?

Ke a leboga.
Ke a leboga.

MR SEGOKGO: Tanki, wena Honourable Lelatisitswe o kare o bala tlhaloganyo, ka gore sa ntlha ke ne ke batla gore ke… o ne o bala tlhaloganyo ya me, ke ne ke batla gore ke goroge gape go tlhalosa sone seo gore, kana Mapalamente gangwe le gape ba bua ka tiriso ya maranyane a, mma ke a soboke, ya go dirisa polymers gore di tshware mmu o, e re le fa o sa tshela sekontere di dire gore tsela eo e itsetsepele.
Mo go yone eo tota le fa ke ka se ka ka go araba gompieno ka go raya ka re, re a go simolola maranyane a leng, ngogola tota ke lekile maiteko a gore ba lephata la me ba lebelele gore re batle ditsela tse re ka yang go dirisa maranyane a mo teng, ka go botlhokwa gore e re re a dirisa re dire mo ke tsayang gore we will pilot, re kgona go bona gore tiriso ya yone e 13 Hansard No 205Tuesday 22nd March, 2022ORGANISATION 2400 – MINISTRY OF TRANSPORT AND COMMUNICATIONSCommittee of Supply (Resumed Debate) e siameng, e e lolameng ke eng.
E bile nngwe ya ditsela tse e neng e le gore re kgonne go di bona raya go go di dira, e ne e le ya Medie bo Lentsweletau, le fa e le gore mo nakong e jaanong re a go e aga ka tsela nngwe e sele.

Jaanong se ke se tlhokang ke gore, tota fela kana fa ke aga tsela ke e age ke itse gore re na le standards.

Ke ntse ke le mo go bone ba lephata la me gore, tota a re tlhomamise gore these pilots re nne le proper standards that we will adopt in our road design manual e re e baakanyang gompieno.
Tota keletso ke gore, re ka bo re setse re simolotse ka go dira certain pilot projects, gore e re gongwe mo dingwageng tse pedi tse di tlang re bo re setse re na le data e e re thusang gore re tswelele ka go aga ditsela ka motlhale o o ntseng jaana.

Ke dumela gore mafoko a “enough is enough,” Honourable Motaosane le ene o ne a a dirisa jaanong a bua ka kgang e ya gore, a tsene mo re-gravelling tse tsa go gopa re se ka ra nna re tsweletse thata ka tsone.
Rraetsho, mma ke dire gore ke re ya poso ke e utlwile, mme e bile le ka fa o neng o batla gore e re fa re tsenya maranyane le gone re tlhomamise gore ga re sadise ope kwa morago, ke go tlhomamisetse gore re tlaa dira bojotlhe thata gore maranyane a a se ka a ba a kgaphela ope fa morago.

Tlaa ke tsene mo go ya ga Honourable Hikuama.

Honourable Hikuama, o ne a na le dikgang tse di mmalwanyana ka kwa boranyaneng, a ngongoregela gore kana kwa north west tota boranyane jo ga bo ise bo tsene sentle mo go bone.
E bile go na le kgaogo e ntsi ya bone, le botlhokwa jwa gore tota e bile fela ba iphitlhela ba le mo seemong se e leng gore ba kgaolo ya me ba Tlokweng ba mo go sone.

Tota ke se re se eletsang Honourable Hikuama, e bile ke lebelo le re le tabogileng ka smart boards.

E bile mo nakong eno projects tse re di dirang tsa go tlhabolola boranyane bo itebagantse le kgaolo ya gago, kgaolo ya…(inaudible)… le dikgaolo tse di ka fa Kweneng.

...Silence...

HONOURABLE MEMBER: O kgaogile?


MR CHAIRPERSON: Honourable Minister, we appear to have lost you.

Please unmute yourself.

MR SEGOKGO: Thank you Mr Chairperson.

Maitshwarelo, e ne e le gore ke ne ke re ke rurafaletse Honourable Hikuama gore, tota mme gone maranyane ao re a go a tsenya ka boleng jone joo, jo a bo kopang, re a go a phatlhalatsa le kgaolo ka fa go ntseng ka teng.
Ke tlaa e soboka fela ke e kopanya le kakgelo ya ga Honourable Kapinga, ka gore e bile ke itumetse gore o ne a supa gore kwa Shakawe internet ya bone go supagala gore e mo seemong fela se se itumedisang.

Ke dumela gore fa ke tsaya mafoko a gagwe ke bo ke tsaya mafoko a ba north east, gongwe mo nakong e go supa bokete jwa tiriso ya one maranyane ao, gore re tsentse pipe e e nang le capacity sentle e kgona to service them, whereas kwa north east go supa gore already re na le congestion.
Ke tlaa eletsa gore let us keep that standard, and taelo ke gore re tshwanetse go tlhomamisa gore re lebeletse gore the data volume grows.

Re nne to the very standard e re tlaabong re kgonne go e fitlhelela gone kwa Shakawe.
Rraetsho ka the transport office, tota matshwenyego a gago a utlwetse, jaaka o ne o bona mo paragraph 51 ya me, tota le nna ke ne ke supa matshwenyego a diofisi tsa Department of Road Transport and Safety (DRTS), e bile gape seemo se sa gore batho ba bo ba duedisa batho, ke re nnyaa ga go ka fa molaong, ga go ka fa tsamaisong.

E bile re tlaa dira bojotlhe gore batho bao re ba batle, re ba tseele dikgato sir, ga go a tshwanela gore go nne jalo.
Ke santse ke batla go kopa gore thuto nngwe e re tshwanetseng go e tsenya e ntsi ya Batswana ke gore, dingwe tsa ditlamelo tse ba di latelang kwa diofising ba ne ba ka di bona mo boranyaneng.

Seemo sa poso, ke gakologelwa potso ya ga gago, ke tlaa tlhodumela.

Ke tsere kgakololo ya gago fela thata Honourable Hikuama.
Ke ne ka lemoga maloba fa ke le kwa Ncojane, gore tota foo ke ne ka tsaya boammaaruri jwa gore ka fa re dirileng ka teng kwa sekoleng se re neng re le teng sa Ncojane Primary, lebelo le re batlang go le dirisa ke lone tota ke neng ke le bona le supagala.

Ditshwantsho le eng go ne go le bofefo, e bile the quality ya experience ya bana mo sekoleng, tota fa re ne re ka bo re ne re na nao ke ne ke ka go supegetsa ka re, se ke sone se re batlang go se tlisa kwa north west.
Mme rraetsho ke a… Ya ditsela sir, tlaa ke amogele thata gore tota tsela ele tiego e e leng teng mo tseleng ele, bogolo jang ya Sehithwa-Mohembo, ke bo ke kopanya jaaka nne Motlotlegi Rre Kapinga a bua, ya go tswa mo Mohembo go ya Gudigwa, ke seemo se se ntshwentseng.

Se re tshwentse mo lephateng, le fa gone ke dumela gore ga re ise re kgone go fitlhelela tharabololo jaaka le ne le ka eletsa gore re bo re le bolelela, re le fa matsatsi gore re tlaabo re tsentse borakonteraka leng, jang.
Mafoko a ke a 14 Hansard No 205Tuesday 22nd March, 2022ORGANISATION 2400 – MINISTRY OF TRANSPORT AND COMMUNICATIONSCommittee of Supply (Resumed Debate) amogelang gape ke gore, it is correct, it is an emergency tota, that is where really we are now ka go aga tsela e. Ke batla ke dire gore ke leke go lemotsha gore Honourable Hikuama ga ke inyalanye gotlhegotlhe!

gotlhegotlhe!

ga ke inyalanye le mafoko a a reng ditlhabololo di dirwa semorafe.
Ga ke ka ke ka amogela selo se se ntseng jalo, ga ke dumalane le sone, ga ke batle go ka nna jalo, e bile ga ke bone go ntse jalo mo Botswana.

Ke dumela gore fa gongwe motho o ne a ka fa dikai tsa maiteko a golo mo.

Go na le mafelo a e leng gore gongwe ka mabaka a re ka a lebelelang go tswa kwa morago gongwe ditlhabololo di ne tsa se ka tsa dirwa.

Tota fela maikaelelo, sengwe le sengwe ke gore re fitlhelele mafelo otlhe.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification.


MR SEGOKGO: Ka bofefo, e ka re jaanong ke siiwa ke nako.

FOR AND PRESIDENTIAL MINISTER PUBLIC AFFAIRS, GOVERNANCE ADMINISTRATION MORWAENG): Clarification.

A o ne o ka clarify Motlotlegi Tona gore e re gongwe pele ga o wetsa se, a o ka feta fela ka tsela ele e e fa gare ga Molepolole gore o bokgakala bokae ka yone sir?

(MR MR SEGOKGO: Ke tlaa leka gore ke dire jalo, o mphe nako ke tle ke go fe e e tlhomameng karabo mo go yone sir.
Nte ke tswelele Rre Morwaeng, ke e kwadile fa, ke tlaa leka gore ke tle ke go sobokele yone.

Ke ne ke eletsa gore ke tsene mo go tsa ga Honourable Dikoloti.

Rraetsho, re tloga re simolola tsela ya Bray, o tlaa intshwarela ka gore le yone ke e batletse gore ke e tseele nako e gore re fa kae mo go yone, mme ke solofela di tlaa goroga sentle mo go nna.

Kana ke ne ke tsaya dipotso tse dintsi, jaanong o fitlhela e le gore go gontsi gore o tlhomamise sengwe le sengwe se ke neng ke tlhoka go se tlhomamisa.
Dikopo tsa gago, ke a soboka, ke di utlwile bogolo jang tsa ditsela, e bile jaaka di tlaabo di ama production areas tse di mo kgaolong ya gago, mme o bua gape ka production areas, go akaretsa mafelo a mangwe.
Ke batla gape ke go reye ke re, kwa boranyaneng, ke tsere ka fa o neng o bua ka teng ka disruption ya internet services mo Molapowabojang, mme gone koo kana ke amana le gore tiro e re e dirang kwa …(Inaudible)… ya to upgrade the network go tswa kwa go 2G technologies go ya kwa go 4G technologies, ke yone e yang go re thusa go araba kgang ya ka fa o buang ka teng, gore go nna le service disruption e e diragalang kwa Molapowabojang.
Ke tlaabo gape ke ntse ke fetisetsa se kwa go ba BOCRA, gore tota ba tswelele ba tlhomamise gore these service disruptions re a di fedisa.

Gangwe le gape on a quarterly basis, ke kopana le bone gore ba ntshe maranyane, re a lebelele gore tota fela service ya rona e tsamaya jang mo dikgaolong ka go farologana.
Mma ke se ka ka nna moleele rra, o di buile ditsela tsa bo Jwaneng go ya kwa Maokane, Kanye, Mmathethe le Tshweneyagae, wa ba wa bua le ka maranyane a ke neng ka bua ka one a a tlhabologileng, a a ka re agelang ditsela ka tsela e e botoka.

Tsotlhe tse ke tsaya gore ke tlaa soboka jalo.

O ne o batla dipalo tse di amanang le khiro ya batho mo dikonterakeng, o tsaya bo Gaborone, Boatle le tsone tsa bo Mogonye.
Ke tlaa leka go ikgakolola fela sentle, ya Gaborone-Boatle, somewhere about 300 ya batho ba ne ba hirilwe mo teng, tse re di dirang mo Gaborone in the neighbourhood of about 600.

Ke ne ke araba potso ya ga Honourable Healy.

Mo go yone ke ne ke tshotse dipalo tse di ntseng jalo mo maabanyaneng, mme ke lebogela seo rra ka gore tota fa re dira ditiro tse, re a bo re ntse re tlisa le tsone ditiro.

Mr Chairperson, o mphe nako foo gore ke tle ke fefogenyana.

MR CHAIRPERSON: You are left with seven minutes.


MR SEGOKGO: Thank you sir.

Honourable Kapinga, tota fela tshoboko jaaka ke ka tsaya mafoko a gagwe, ke mafoko a a setseng a kile a a ntibisa bathobetsho.

A re this is an emergency.

Honourable Molao ene a re enough is enough, this is an emergency.

Tota mafoko a ke a gatelela ka gore ke a tsaya ka tlhwaafalo, ke a reetsa ka fa Mopalamente a bong a a bua, le nna ke a itse tota it is an emergency.
Mo re neng re go dira le rona re ne re itse gore tota fela ke nama-o-tshwere.

Jaaka a bua ke nama-o-tshwere, mme go ne go na le kakanyo le megopolo mengwe e re neng re batla go e dirisa, e e neng e ka re botoka wa nama o tshwere, go na le fa go neng ga pitlagana teng in the procurement process.

Ke leka go rarabolola selo se ka bofefo gore tota fela we need a trafficable road e e re isang kwa borogong.
Ke itumelela gore o ntekodisitse ka seemo sa gore on the inside, gone mathata a jaanong le one a tlhatlagane.

O ne o re you cannot prioritise, ke ne ke eletsa gore let us still prioritise to Mohembo, mme ke bua gore e nngwe ele re tlaabo re dira all we can to see what I can need gore go ye go dirwa gravel, e bewe mo tseleng e e under condition which is good.
Ke go utlwile ka your 15 Hansard No 205Tuesday 22nd March, 2022ORGANISATION 2400 – MINISTRY OF TRANSPORT AND COMMUNICATIONSCommittee of Supply (Resumed Debate) requests tsa dipantuni gore di ka thusa your community trust le tiriso ya diofisi.

Ke tse ke di tsereng gore tota re leke go bona gore re le thusa jang, re le araba jang mo go tsone tseo.
ntse o bua ka ditaola, le fa o ka latlhegelwa ke kgaolo, ke lemoga gore hei, ke mo gare ga dinaka tsa nare golo fa, ke tlaa ikitaya ka thupana tota sir, ke tlaa epa … (Inaudible)… ao thata.

Honourable Majaga... HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification.

MR SEGOKGO: O nne bofefo tota sir.

MR MATHOOTHE: Ee, ka bofefo Tona, ke a leboga go bo o mphile sebaka.
Ke ne ke re ke botse fa Tona gore go na le fa o neng wa tlhalosa teng gore you have successfully completed tsela ya Tshimoyapula-Serule, mme ke ne ke re kana the access road e e tsenang mo motseng wa Serule, e santse e direla batho ba Serule mathata, as we speak e tsenya metsi mo dijarateng tsa batho.

Jaanong ke ne ke re, yone kgang eo le ya go dira jang ka yone?
Kwa bofelong tsela yone e, le ya go felela le e neela khansele, le e neela Ministry wa Local Government, mme kana ga re le ba e neele e le mo seemong se se siameng, go na le gore fa ba e tsaya jaanong, ba bo ba simolola ba dira maintenance mo go yone.

Ke ne ke re yone eo, o tle o fete ka yone Tona.

Le gore tsela ya between Serowe-Palapye e setse e eme gompieno, mathata e ka tswa e le eng fa rakonteraka a sa tswelele?

MR SEGOKGO: Tanki nkgonne.

Nte ke tseye e le nngwefela fela, ele ya kwa Serule.
Ya kwa Serule tota the procurement and the repair works we have already procured, we are addressing the flooding issue.

Ke nne mokhutshwane mo go kalo.

Tota we will address it, o sale o re e file.

Honourable Majaga, tota le nna ke maswabi sir, gore e bo re ne re ise re baakanye that section of the road, mme ke santse ke go raya fela ke re ke tshegeditse gore tota in actual fact, re tshwanetse re ye go baakanya tsela.
Gone fela even that portion ya tshenyo ya dineo, we are fully committed to it, ngwaga o ga ke dumele gore jaanong o ka fela, le wena o ne o setse o re ke bo ke ithola tiro rra.

Ga ke go fe ditsholofetso, tota fela ke batla go... HONOURABLE MEMBER: O a go pitlaganya.

MR SEGOKGO: Re tlaa baakanya golo foo.

Ke kopa gore ke riane, tota o supile botlhokwa jwa ditsela tse o neng o di ala tse, ke a di tlhaloganya gore di raya eng mo itsholelong ya rona, mo motsamaong wa dipalamo fa gare ga mafatshe a rona.
Se ke se lebogelang ke thapelo ya gago.

Se ke se tshogileng, ke se boifa thata ke fa o Honourable Kablay, ke lebogetse gore o ne o itumelela at least some of the maintenance work e re neng ra e dira, that one kilometre sir, ke a go tshephisa, re a itse ka yone, re ya go e dira.

Re ne re na le mabaka fela a gore ke eng e ne e kete e saletse fa morago, mme ke a go tlhomamisetsa gore one kilometre e e tsenang mo Lephepe kwa Kgotleng, yone e ya go dirwa sir.
Ke go utlwile ka de-bushing, ka seemo sa kwa tseleng ele ya Malwelwe le fa go emang metsi teng kwa bo ...(Inaudible)… Botlhapatlou, o ne wa ama ditsela tseo, go tlhoka to be graded ga teng, mme e bile wa bua ka letamo la Moleleme.

Ke a go tlhomamisetsa gore kopo ya gago ya borogo, e a sekasekiwa le fa e se borogo, mme re tlhomamise gore the flooding ga e kgoreletse motsamao wa dipalamo.

Nte ke taboge, ke tsene fa go Honourable Tshere.


O ne a bua ka A1 dual, e a e itumelelang ka teng, mme mogopolo o a boang a o mpha gape a bua ka gore, kana e re fa re tsena fa Mahalapye fa, re dirise alignment ya Western bypass, go aga the A1.

Le nna ke bona ke o rata ka mabaka a le mantsinyana.

Ga ke ne ke nna mo go one, a mantsi.


Mme gape ke itse gore kana mo Mahalapye, the congestion e e leng mo teng gompieno, gongwe e ne e kare re e address ka interchanges, graded intersection, mme gongwe bypass le yone is yet another alternative, a kopa gore re e tshwaraganye le DDP 9 gore go baakanngwe the internal roads.

Ke se ke se lebogelang.

Re buile tota gore Botswana Railways e kwa Mahalapye ka mabaka, le nna ke amogetse jalo.
O kopile the state of art workshop, re tlaabo re le koo ka Labone re buisana ka dintlha tse di ntseng jaana, mme le tse dingwe.

Fa gongwe fa ke ntse le laletsa Mapalamente, ke a bo ke bua le bone.

Ke buile le ba Botswana Railways (BR), ke na le tsholofelo e ntsi thata ya gore mo tsamaong ya nako, go na le dikgang tse e tlaa reng di tsena mo ditsebeng tsa gago gongwe di go itumedise.

E ya fence signals, I understand le yone seemo sa… MR CHAIRPERSON: Get ready to move.
MR SEGOKGO: Ke saletswe ke nako e e kae Mr Chairperson?

MR CHAIRPERSON: Move, move, Minister.

16 Hansard No 205Tuesday 22nd March, 2022ORGANISATION 2400 – MINISTRY OF TRANSPORT AND COMMUNICATIONSCommittee of Supply (Resumed Debate) MR SEGOKGO: Mr Chairperson, this concludes my ministry’s presentation for the 2022/2023 Recurrent therefore and Development Budget proposals.
I request to move that the sum of One Billion, Eight Hundred and Fifteen Million, Three Hundred and Sixty-Five Thousand, Eight Hundred and Fifty Pula (P1 815 365 580) for the Recurrent Budget for Head 2400 be approved and stand part of the Schedule of the Appropriation (2022/2023) Bill; and that the sum of One Billion, Eight Hundred and Seventy-Two Million, Four Hundred and Seventy-Two Thousand Pula (P1 872 472 000) for Development Budget for Head 2400 together with the Sub Heads be approved and stand part of the Estimates.
I so move Mr Chairperson.

Question put and agreed to.

MR CHAIRPERSON: Before we pass on to another heading Honourable Minister Segokgo, please provide your Honourable colleagues with exactly what you were reading.

Ba direle gore ba tle ba lebe sentle, ka gore o ne o ba araba fela ka bofefo.

E seng jalo o utlwile gore go ya go diragala eng fa o sa ba direle, jaanong ga ke rate o diragalelwa ke selo seo.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Mr Chairperson, gakere Rre Segokgo ga a ntebala ka ditsela tsa me.
HONOURABLE MEMBER: Le nna ga a nkaraba, ga a nkgwa dikgaba.

MR CHAIRPERSON: Ke mo kopa gore a le direle written submissions.

ORGANISATION 2500 – MINISTRY OF DEFENCE, JUSTICE AND SECURITY MR CHAIRPERSON: Please note that 2 hours 50 minutes have been allocated to this organisation.

I shall call upon the Honourable Minister to reply to the debate at 16:55 hours today and the question will be put at 17:25 hours today.

MINISTER OF INVESTMENT, TRADE AND INDUSTRY (MR KGAFELA): Procedure.
Mr Chairperson, in the light of Order 46, ke ne ke utlwa pressing the Minister to move at the end of his deliberation, mme kana Order 46 e a tlhalosa gore, when a speaker is moving a Motion, he must stand up, make a few remarks after which he or she then moves.

It is only thereafter that Members of Parliament are invited to engage with him.

After they shall have done so, he then replies.


I was just wondering Mr Chairperson, why you were insisting that the Honourable Minister must move at the stage of reply, when Order 46 on the rules quite clearly states that you move at the first instance when you speak.
I am not so sure whether there is a difference between what the written black and white letter of the rules say, and the practice which is obtaining in Parliament whether practice now takes precedence over the black and white letter of the rules.

That is the procedure I would like us to be assisted with Mr Chairperson.

MR CHAIRPERSON: Order!

Order!

Mo ke gone mo gotweng moipolai ga a lelelwe, ke ka bo ke sa ka ka go fa chance but I have the answer for you.
This has been the practice of this Parliament before you were born Honourable Minister… HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Laughter!

)… MR CHAIRPERSON: …and we have not identified any irregularity on it.

Secondly and finally, much as you are a lawyer that I respect, in order to understand fully Standing Order 46.1 that you are quoting, you need to read Standing Order 46.1 up to 46.5.

Honourable Minister, please move your next chapter.
MINISTER OF DEFENCE, JUSTICE AND SECURITY (MR MMUSI) Mr Chairperson, I wish to present to this Honourable House… LEADER OF THE HOUSE (MR TSOGWANE): Procedure.

Mr Chairperson, my procedure is in aid of what you have just said.

I think for the record, you must indicate that the matter raised by the Honourable Minister has been dealt with, it has been raised in this House and it has been put to rest by the substantive Speaker in the past, as you have rightly ruled.
So from now going forward, we must know that precedence has been set, what the Speaker has proclaimed remains the rule.

Thank you Mr Chairperson.

MR CHAIRPERSON: You could not have been more correct Your Honour.

Thank you for standing by our resolution my lord.

HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… MR CHAIRPERSON: I have closed the discussion on this matter, we are moving to another chapter.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: I ask for a written and reasoned ruling Mr Chairperson.
17 Hansard No 205Tuesday 22nd March, 2022ORGANISATION 2500 – MINISTRY OF DEFENCE, JUSTICE AND SECURITYCommittee of Supply MR CHAIRPERSON: We shall provide that to you.

MR MMUSI: Thank you Mr Chairperson.

Mr Chairperson, I wish to present to this Honourable House the 2022/2023 Budget Estimates for the Ministry of Defence, Justice and Security - Organisation 2500.
This Organisation covers the Ministry Headquarters inclusive of the Office of the Receiver and the Chemical, Biological, Radiological and Nuclear Management Authority (CBRN); the Botswana Defence Force (BDF), the Botswana Police Service (BPS), the Department of Prisons and Rehabilitation (DPSR) as well as its Parastatal - Legal Aid Botswana.
Mr Chairperson, I humbly request that you allow me to brief this Honourable House on the performance of my ministry during the financial year 2021/2022, before I can present the ministry’s proposed budget for the financial year 2022/2023.

Mr Chairperson, my ministry continues to pursue a strategic programme to ensure that the necessary supporting legal framework is in place to enhance access to justice to achieve the effectiveness of the justice delivery system in Botswana.
In this regard, my ministry will amend the Magistrates Courts Act Cap 04:04 to improve access to justice by enhancing the powers of Magistrates’ civil jurisdiction to impose higher penalties.

The Bill was published in the Government Gazette of 3rd December, 2021 and as such, it has matured and is ready for tabling before Parliament.

Mr Chairperson, in addition, legislation on bail is being developed to address the general concerns of the public on issues surrounding granting of bail to accused persons.
The Bill seeks to articulate the law on bail.

The Bill will contribute to more effective justice delivery.

It will also preserve and restore confidence in the justice system.

Mr Chairperson, my ministry also continues to improve the legal framework for the provision of legal services.

Mr Chairperson, I shall also be tabling the Legal Practitioners Bill which also seeks to better regulate the delivery of legal services by legal practitioners.
The Legal Practitioners Bill will enhance professionalism and strengthen disciplinary structures for the misconduct by members of the legal fraternity.

On other key legislative matters, I can report that I have since commenced specific provisions of the Sexual Offender’s Registry Act to facilitate the appointment of the National Inter-Sectoral Council which will guide the national policy framework and ensure that there is a coordinated approach on matters of sexual violence… MR CHAIRPERSON: Order!

Order!
Order!

Sorry Honourable Minister, please hold your horses, e tlaare after lunch, I shall call upon you to finish.

Honourable Members, we are going to temporarily hold our business here for today, as we should go for some refreshments.

Parliament is adjourned and bon appétit Honourable Members.

PROCEEDINGS SUSPENDED AT 1:00 P.M. FOR APPROXIMATELY 1 HOUR PROCEEDINGS RESUMED AT 2:00 P.M. MR SPEAKER (MR MOATLHODI): We are still covered with the blood of Jesus from this morning.
A re tshubeng dipone tsa rona.

Good afternoon Honourable Members.

Let us start our day this afternoon with questions.

MR MATHOOTHE: Procedure.

Thank you Mr Speaker.

O tlaa ntsenya mo tseleng fa e le gore ke tlaabo ke fapogile.

Maabane o ne o re solofeditse gore you will update us ka mokaulengwe wa rona yo o neng a tshwerwe maloba ka Labotlhano.

MR SPEAKER: Nna le gompieno ga ke ise ke fiwe sepe.

Kante lona le a tsaya kae ke le eteletse ke sa fiwa?

Le a tsaya kae lona?


HONOURABLE MEMBER: A mme re sireletsegile?

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Le sireletsegile.

HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)... MR SPEAKER: Order!

Nnyaa, bagaetsho, e re le mororo mafoko a le a buang a ka tswa a na le moko, nna fa ke le fano fa setilong se le rileng ke se nne se, ke tshwanetse ke amogele report ke tle ke begelwe.

Ke fa sekai; Motlotlegi Mopalamente wa Palapye o tshwanetse a tle kwa go nna a ntheye a re, rra, bana ba gago ba tlhasetswe.
Jaanong ga ke tseye mafoko mo dipampiring kana mo tseleng.

Let us wait for the official report to come to me and then I shall report to your good selves Honourable Members.

Let us go into questions, please.

HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)... 18 Hansard No 205Tuesday 22nd March, 2022ORGANISATION 2500 – MINISTRY OF DEFENCE, JUSTICE AND SECURITYCommittee of Supply QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER MR SPEAKER: Araba potso Tona, mo lebale.
YOUTH EMPOWERMENT PROGRAMMES MR Y. BOKO (MAHALAPYE EAST): asked the Minister of Youth Empowerment, Sport and Culture Development: (i) to state number of programmes that are in place specifically to empower young citizens in the country both economically and financially; (ii) how each of these programmes has assisted the young people of the Mahalapye East Constituency since it was incepted; and (iii) how many young people in the aforementioned constituency have benefited from the to date.
MINISTER OF YOUTH EMPOWERMENT, SPORT AND CULTURE DEVELOPMENT (MR RAKGARE): Thank you very much Mr Speaker.

Ke tlile go araba potso e mme e boditswe e na le dintlha di le tharo.

(i) Mr Speaker, re na le mananeo a le mmalwa a a itebagantseng le go tlhatlosa le go nonotsha banana.

Ga go nke go nne motlhofo mo go nna gore ke papamale ke bale palo ya gore di kae ka ntata ya gore se rona re se bonang e le se se ka tsholetsang monana economically and financially, gongwe mo go ba bangwe ga go a nna jalo.
Ke tlaa lebelela dingwe tse re nang natso mo lephateng la rona Mr Speaker.

Programme ya ntlha ke ya Youth Development Fund (YDF).

E maikaelelo a yone e leng go thusa banana go simolola dikgwebo… MR BOKO: Point of order Mr Speaker.

MR RAKGARE: Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

Ke ne ke re lenaneo la ntlha le ke ka le neelang motlotlegi ke la Youth Development Fund (YDF) le le diragalang mo dikgaolong tse 57 tsa rona tsa botlhophi.
Lenaneo le, le maphata mabedi, lephata la ntlha ke gore, monana o ka tsenya ikopelo gore a neelwe madi a a kana ka P100, 000, a itshimololela kgwebo.

Fa re sena go mo thusa go sekaseka proposal ya gagwe, re mo neela madi ao.

Re mo thusa ka go lebelela kgwebo ya gagwe gore a mme e tsamaya sentle.

Dikgwebo tse a nnang le tsone le tse di mo thusang gore kgwebo e tsamae jalo, re bo re mo atametse.

Legato la bobedi ke gore, re ka neela banana madi ba ikopantse ba le batlhano, youth industry.
Re ba neele madi a a kana ka P450, 000.

Otlhe ka bobedi, P100, 000 yo re mo ntshang re mo neela an individual kana P450, 000 yo re mo neelang e le group ya banana.

Madi a otlhe jaaka a ntse jaana, half ya one a busediwa mo go Goromente ka gore e a bo e le loan, 50 per cent e le gone mo gotweng grant.

Programme ya bobedi Mr Speaker, e ke ka buang ka yone ke ya Tirelo Setšhaba.

Maikaelelo a yone ke go leka go thusa banana gammogo le go ba fa platform ya go tsaya karolo in community development.
Sa boraro ke National Internship Programme e maikaelelo a yone e leng go tlhokotsa banana go ipaakanyetsa the world of work.

Re ba tlhoma mo organisations, thatathata maphata a Puso dingwaga tse pedi.

Monana a tlhokodiwa gore o ka bereka mmereko wa se a se ithutetseng kwa sekoleng se segolwane.
Mr Speaker, ga go reye gore o fetsa two years wa gago, fa o ka nna lesego kwa o leng teng ba go kgatlhegela ba bona gore o bereka mo go feteletseng kana phatlha e ka tswa fa o a bong o le teng, ba kgona go go tsaya pele ga two years a wela, o bo o hirwa.

MR RAKGARE: A ke tlaa araba Mr Speaker, fa a setse a ntsena ganong ke simolola jaana?

MR BOKO: There is a point of order, it is allowed in terms of the Standing Orders.
MR SPEAKER: Please allow Honourable Minister to finish, there is nothing out of order.

He is responding to your question.

MR BOKO: But he is imputing improper motives on us.

MR RAKGARE: Jaanong fa a bo a tlile Palamenteng gompieno a itikile, re a bo re tlaa nna le mathata.
E nngwe gongwe e ke ka buang ka yone ke tsena mo legatong kana sephatlo sa bobedi sa potso ya ga motlotlegi ke ya President’s Day Competitions gammogo le Constituency Arts Competitions, tse ke batlang gore ke di pataganye mo nakong ya gompieno.

Tse ke tse di itebagantseng le bana ba rona ba ba nang le ditalente mo go tsa botaki.

Go tsena banana ba le bantsi thata in these competitions.
Re dumela gore maikaelelo le maitlhomo a these competitions, e bile gape re bona go supafala ka dipalo, ke gore re leke go thusa banana economically and financially.

It may not be enough mme fela se se salang ke gore re leka go ba thusa go ba nonotsha ka tsela e e ntseng jalo.

19 Hansard No 205Tuesday 22nd March, 2022QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER Gongwe ya bofelo Mr Speaker, ke ya Constituency Sports Tournament.
Le yone e a bo e le go neela bana ba ba nang le talente platform ya gore ba ka itshupa mo metshamekong; volleyball, football le netball gore ba kgone gore ba tshameke at ward level, national level gammogo le go ya kwa region, even kwa nationals.

Legato la bobedi la potso ya ga motlotlegi, e ne e le gore how each of these programmes have assisted the young people of Mahalapye East Constituency since inception?
Kgang ke gore mo YDF re nnile le 249 young entrepreneurs ba ba neng ba thusiwa ba neelwa dithuso tsa madi.

Mo go bone ba, ba le 249 ke ba ba neng ba tsewa mo palong gotlhe ya 881 ya Mahalapye Sub-District ba ba neng ba thusitswe.

Ba le 249 ke ba ba tswang mo kgaolong ya Mahalapye East.

Fa re lebile ya Tirelo Setšhaba Mr Speaker, re na le banana ba le 140 ba ba tswang mo kgaolong ya Mahalapye East ba ba neng ba kgona go tsena mo go programme e. District yotlhe e ne e na le 2090.
Go na le ya National Internship le Graduate Volunteer Scheme tse e leng gore tsone ga re na figures mo nakong ya gompieno gore mme ke ba le kae ba ba neng ba tsere karolo.

Se se bakwa ke gore fa o lebile ya Graduate Volunteer Scheme, gongwe banana ba le bantsi ga ba tseye karolo thata mo go yone ka gore ba ka tswa ba dumela gore go na le tse ba ka di dirang botoka go nale go tsena mo lenaneong le.
Sa bofelo Mr Speaker, ke ya Constituency Sport Tournament e banana ba le 1309 ba tsereng karalo mo go yone fa e sale jaaka dithulaganyo tse di simolola.

Kwa bofelong Mr Speaker, e le legato la boraro la potso ya ga motlotlegi, ke gore a total of 2272 young people ba tsere karolo mo economic programmes tse di ka fa tlase ga lephata la rona.

They have benefited from these programmes as individuals or groups.
Ke batla ke supe gore these figures do not include National Internship and Graduate Volunteer Scheme.

Re le lephata gape Mr Speaker, re dira a deliberate gesture to procure only from youth businesses during the youth competitions.

Go raya gore le kwa kgaolong ya ga motlotlegi re tsaya bana who offer services gore ba kgone gore ba re neele tse re a bong re di tlhoka ka nako ya metshameko e gammogo le ditiro tse re a bong re di dira.

Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.


MR SPEAKER: We have been very unproductive, 10 minutes on one question.

Very unproductive.

MR BOKO: Supplementary.

Thank you Mr Speaker.

Mr Speaker, ke batla go botsa gape ke re gongwe motlotlegi a tlhalose se because you recall very well that we are using a lot of money mo dikgannyeng tsa programmes tse re lekang go ka thusa banana mo go tsone kana to empower them.
Selo se setona ke gore in as much as we would have given somebody P100, 000.00 kana ba le a group re ba neetse P450, 000.00, banana ba nna le dikgwetlho tse di kwa godimo.

Letshogo le le nnang teng ke la gore o kare madi a a bo a latlhetswe mo motlhobodikeng because re le lephata… MR SPEAKER: Mmotse potso Honourable Member.

MR BOKO: Ke tlaa e botsa.


Mathata ke gore o kare ga re kgone go ka sala morago banana go bona gore a mme ba dirisitse madi sentle kana ba tsamaya sentle, kana what are their challenges.

Tona, go bakwa ke eng gore fa le sena go ka thusa bana ka fa le ba thusitseng ka teng le bo le nna le boitseme jo bo kanakana go ka tlhola gore a mme programmes kana businesses tsa bone di tsamaya sentle gareng ga tse dingwe?

Why can you not just follow up with vigour?

MR RAKGARE: Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.


Ke a leboga Honourable Member.

Ke nna le bothata jaanong le mafoko a mangwe a ke sa dumeleng gore a maleba a bo gore re nna boitseme ka gore ga ke dumele gore go na le boitseme bope.

Gape ke na le bothata le gore go bo go dirisiwa mafoko a a tshwanang le bo gore re latlhela madi mo motlhobodikeng.

Ga ke itse gore a se motlotlegi a lekang go se bua ke gore fa re thusa banana ka funding re a bo re latlhela madi mo motlhobodikeng?

I think he must be very clear.


MR BOKO: Ga o nkutlwe sentle.

Ka re you are not following up.

That could be deemed as if le latlhetse madi mo motlhobodikeng because you are not following up.

I think o batla go araba se o batlang go se araba le go ntshenya leina.

Ka re why are we not following up go bona gore madi a tsamaile sentle kwa a yang teng?
MR RAKGARE: I think potso ya ga motlotlegi e ka bo e nna gore re dira eng to monitor dikgwebo tsa banana, e seng e nna gore we are not doing enough, e le gore o setse a ikarabile.

Mr Speaker, re dira go le gontsi gore re kgone go tlhola gore a dikgwebo tsa banana di tsamaya sentle.

Santlha fela kwa level ya officials ba ba hiretsweng tiro e mo lephateng la rona, ba ba phatlaletseng le dikgaolo tsa lefatshe le ka bophara, ba dira jalo.
Go na le badiredi ba Puso ba lephata ba ba tsamayang go bona dikgwebo tsa 20 Hansard No 205Tuesday 22nd March, 2022QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER banana, ba tlhola gore dikgwetlho e ka tswa e le eng le gore re ka dira jang gore re kgone go di hema, kana re di fokotse, re kgone gore re ba tswe thuso.

Mo go sa bobedi Mr Speaker, ke gore le rona as the political leadership in the ministry, we do visit dikgwebo tsa banana go bona gore mme di dira bontle go le kae, go pala fa kae.
We have been to so many constituencies, including his constituency go bona gore mme banana ba kgona eng, ga ba kgone eng, dikgwetlho ke eng, re ka thusa fa kae.

There are a lot of take-homes Mr Speaker, I must say.

We are working on dikgang tse di teng tse di ka tswang e le matshwenyego a banana.
There are also positives tse e leng gore e tlile gore kgantele fa re dira Committee of Supply ya rona, ke tlaa supa dingwe tsa dikgwebo tsa banana tse e leng gore rona fela as a ministry, we have been impressed ke ka fa ba dirang ka teng.
Ke santse ke gatelela gore re le lephata, ga re dumele mo go kalokalo gore re a bo re latlhela madi mo motlhobodikeng ka go thusa banana ka gore there is return on investment e e bonalang fela ya gore mme bana bone ba ba kgona gore ba hire balekane ba bone, they are able to provide services and sell products ba di tsenya mo mmarakeng.

Madi a a dirisiwang, ga ke itse gore motlotlegi o ne a re a mantsi thata.

Ga ke itse gore mantsi o raya e le bokae, relative to what?
Gongwe o ne a ka thusa jalo Mr Speaker.

Ke dumela gore tse a neng a di boditse ke di arabile.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Supplementary.

MR SPEAKER: Thank you.

We have lost 14 minutes on one person.

We need to apologise to Honourable Member for Molepolole North and Honourable Member for Nata-Gweta, the Minister was called on emergency over lunchtime to attend to other commitments.

We shall put your questions for tomorrow Honourable Members.
CORPORATE INCOME TAX MR D. L. KEORAPETSE (SELEBI PHIKWE WEST): asked the Minister of Finance and Economic Development to state: (i) how much has been raised from corporations in terms of corporate income tax for each of the three past financial years and the percentage of contribution to total taxes; and (ii) why corporate income tax cannot be raised from 22 percent to 30 per cent.

MINISTER OF FINANCE AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT (MS SERAME): Thank you Mr Speaker and good afternoon.
Thank you Honourable Member for the question.

(i) Mr Speaker, corporate income tax collections for the past three years is as follows: Corporate Income Tax Collections - P’ billion Tax Year Corporate Income Tax (CIT) 2017/18 2018/19 2019/20 7.

726 8.

169 7.

334 Total Taxes 40.

523 38.

286 38.

278 CIT as % of total taxes 19.11% 21.34% 19.16% 2018/19 2019/20 8.

169 7.

334 38.

286 38.


278 21.34% 19.16% (ii) Mr Speaker, it should be noted that, as much as income tax is a fiscal tool, it is also an economic management instrument to promote growth and economic development in general.

As a fiscal tool, corporate income tax is indeed an important source of Government revenue as indicated in my response to paragraph (i) above.
However, worldwide, countries use the rate of corporate income tax as part of their economic instruments to 21 Hansard No 205Tuesday 22nd March, 2022QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER improve their ease of doing business environment as indicated in the World Bank Ease of Doing Business Report for several years.

It is for this reason Mr Speaker, that in determining Botswana’s rate of corporate income tax there is a need to balance between the two objectives; namely fiscal and economic development.
In setting the rate of corporate income tax in Botswana, consideration was made to the business environment in the country such as Botswana’s unfavourable geographical location Mr Speaker.

Furthermore, the approach of maintaining a relatively low rate of corporate tax is intended to maintain the country’s competitiveness for investment; both domestic and foreign.

This is because the country is competing for Foreign Direct Investment (FDI) with the rest of the world.
It is therefore, for this reason, Mr Speaker, that we consider the current corporate income tax rate of 22 per cent complementary to other economic policies of promoting a conducive environment for business while contributing to Government revenues.

However tax rates continue to be reviewed on a continuous basis to determine their appropriateness.

I thank you Mr Speaker.

MR KEORAPETSE: Supplementary.

Ke a leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente.


Honourable Minister, in the past other observers including the European Union (EU)… HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible)… MR KEORAPETSE: Go na le mongwe yo o re itayang tsebe.

Intshwarele pele Motlotlegi MR SPEAKER: Mopalamente wa Selebi Phikwe Bophirima, ke kopa gore yo o buang ka phone a didimale.

Ke a go bona gore mang, ga ke batle go go tlontlolola.

Please switch off your gadgets.

Honourable Member for Selebi Phikwe West.


MR KEORAPETSE: Ee, ke ne ke re ke utlwile karabo ya ga Tona.

Tona, a ga o na maikaelelo of reviewing corporate income tax ke lebeletse gore, ke gore fa o re o a lebelela fela in the region even in the Southern African Customs Union (SACU) region fa o lebelela Namibia e tsamaya ka bo 25 per cent, for listed companies, 35 for non-listed, in the financial institutions 37.5 for listed and non-listed 40 per cent.
Fa o tsaya bo South Africa at bo 28 per cent le Swaziland, a ga o lemoge e le gore o kare mme gone we are collecting kwa tlase, ka gore we are even below the average corporate tax rate ya Africa even the global one?
Se sengwe ke gore, you are saying this as complementary to other economic activities, including ease of doing business and my take is that, you meant in part attraction ya Foreign Direct Investment (FDI) and this has not assisted in the sense that, on average we attract less than 2 per cent relative to Gross Domestic Product (GDP) and FDI.

A ga o lemoge e le selo se eleng gore you can review it, is not in your cards to review corporate income tax?
Le gore fa o lebeletse the rate ya collection e eleng gore for the three years, the average is 19 per cent.

Ga o na target ya gore the collection rate e nne more than this 19 per cent, perhaps up to 30 to 40 per cent ya collection Honourable Minister.

Ke a leboga.

MS SERAME: Thank you Mr Speaker.

Mma ke simolole ka go gatelela statement sa me sa bofelo se ke neng ke se bua mo karabong ya me.
Ke ne ke re, kana go sekaseka makgetho ke selo se se diragalang on a continuous basis, mme jaaka ke bua le lona jaana Mr Speaker, we are in the process ya go lebelela melao and other things tsa makgetho tse di broad, ka gore le melao ya rona ya makgetho go na le e re e tlhabololang, go na le dilo dingwe tse re tlhaelang teng.

Ke dilo tse re di lebeletseng, mme fa re di lebelela re lebelela all these things holistically.
Se ke neng ke leka go se tlhalosa ke gore, at this particular point in time ga ke mo seemong sa go raya honourable ke re, nnyaa re tlaa oketsa corporate income tax from 22 to 30 per cent.

Ke process e e tsayang dilo tse dintsi, e ke ka se keng ka tla go araba fela e le potso ya Palamente.

Ke se ke neng ke leka go se tlhalosa.


Sa bobedi ke re, ke tsaya gore e araba tse dingwe tsele tsa bo gore, ga re na intention, ke bua gore tota ke dilo tse di nnang di lebeletswe nako tsotlhe, is a continuous process, and as part of the Taxation Review Legislation le tse dingwe that we promulgate, all these things will be taken into consideration.
Gape ke re kgang ya bofelo Mr Speaker e a neng a e bua, e a neng a re the collections di kwa tlase le eng, I think in the past ke di arabile di le mmalwa tsa gagwe tse a neng a botsa ka bo targets le eng, ke ne ka di araba.

E nngwe e a neng a e botsa ya FDI ke gore, o lemoge gore jaaka re phadisanya le mafatshe a mangwe Honourable Keorapetse and Honourable Members, o lebelele gore re na le disadvantages di le kae.
Fa re ka nna fa fatshe ra kopa researchers tse di tshwanang le bo Honourable Keorapetse ba dira all 22 Hansard No 205Tuesday 22nd March, 2022QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER these analysis, running models, fa e ne makgetho a ne a se fa a leng teng, we would have been attracting even far less than we are collecting, because re na le a lot of disadvantages, tsaya for example if you compare us with Mauritius kana South Africa.
Ke e fa e le sekai Mr Speaker, mme ke tsaya gore nna le ene re a dumalana gore go botlhokwa go tswelela re ntse re sekaseka makgetho a, gore a re berekele.

Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.
RESOLUTIONS ADOPTED AND PASSED BY NORTH WEST COUNCIL MR G. KEKGONEGILE (MAUN EAST): asked the Minister of Local Government and Rural Development to brief this Honourable House on progress made in implementing resolutions adopted and passed by North West District Council, in particular: (i) state the number of North West District Council resolutions passed to his Ministry; (ii) the number of those implemented; and (iii) the status of incorporating Mochaba into Shorobe, Xhana into Chanoga and Xhaoga into Nxamasere.
MINISTER OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT AND RURAL DEVELOPMENT (MR MODUKANELE): Ke a leboga Mr Speaker, ke bo ke leboge le Rre Kekgonegile for the question.

Mr Speaker, (i) For the period between June, 2018 up to December, 2021, North West District Council submitted a total of 27 resolutions to my ministry.

(ii) Mr Speaker, out of this 27 resolutions, 22 have been responded to and concluded, while five are still pending.
I must hasten to explain that the implementation of resolutions of Council are subject to approved plans such as Annual Budgets, District Development Plans (DDPs), National Spatial Plans 2036, National Development Plans (NDP), policies and laid down procedures, and as such, implementation is usually dictated by availability of resources.
(iii) Mr Speaker, my ministry has progressed resolutions adopted and passed by North West District Council and, in particular, approval of the recognition of Xhaoga in 2013 which was communicated to North West District Council on 14th August 2013.
With respect to incorporation of Mochaba into Shorobe and Xhana into Chanoga, my ministry through an Inter- Ministerial Standing Committee established under the Revised National Settlement Policy of 2004 is in the process of finalising the district request and submit the recommendations to Cabinet for consideration.
I must however, Mr Speaker acknowledge the delays in processing this request, as it is going against the spirit and principles of the National Spatial Plan 2036, which discourages settlement sprawls as it is costly and unsustainable to maintain.

It is anticipated that the exercise will be completed in the second quarter of the 2022-2023.

I thank you Mr Speaker.

MR KEKGONEGILE: Supplementary.

Tanki Mr Speaker.

Tona, mma re re re lebogile.


Fa o bua ka Mochaba le Xhana, motho o ka botsa gore le amogetse kopo e leng mo ngwageng ofe gore re kgone go kala sentle gore a mme e diegile kana jang?

Sa bofelo e nna gore, gone mme fa o re second quarter, tota target month ke efe gore re tle re kgone go e sala morago sentle?

Tanki.

MR MODUKANELE: Ke a leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente.
Ke supe jaana gore second quarter gongwe ke simolole ka ya bofelo, re lebile August e le kgwedi e e leng gore will be the end of second quarter.

Ya ntlha ya Mochaba le Shorobe, ke re gone fa ke buang ke le teng fa, gongwe ga ke a tshwara the specific year, mme ke ka e batla ka e neela motlotlegi Mr Speaker.
RE-SEALING OF TUTUME-MAITENGWE ROAD DR N. TSHABANG (NKANGE): asked the Minister of Transport and Communications: (i) to update this Honourable House on Tutume- Maitengwe road re-sealing project; (ii) to state, in view of his previous response progress at the Nsuswane and Nkange Bridges; and (iii) whether he intends to have Road Levy Funds used to fix the bridges destroyed by rains in the past and current rainy season.
MINISTER COMMUNICATIONS Speaker, OF TRANSPORT AND (MR SEGOKGO): Mr (i) The Tutume–Maitengwe road resealing project which was commissioned on 20th August 2019, and the contract was terminated in September 2021 due to non-performance of the contractor.

In an effort to close up the project, post contract proceedings are underway alongside procurement preparations for conclusion of the remaining works.
23 Hansard No 205Tuesday 22nd March, 2022QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER (ii) In my previous response on the same project in September 2021, I had indicated that the contractor was on site engaged mainly to maintain the road, including the two bridges; Nsuswane and Nkange.

We wish to acknowledge that the condition of these two bridges poses significant risk to motorists.

To mitigate these risks, we have put a team on site to continuously monitor the behavior of the two bridges.
My Permanent Secretary (PS) has also visited the same bridges in order to appreciate and own up on challenges we are faced with.

As previously stated, we had to terminate the contract in September 2021.

Prior to termination while the contractor was struggling with the project, he had brought in a sub- contractor to assist with the repairs to the bridge.

After the termination of the contract, my ministry decided to engage the same proposed sub-contractor to carry-out the repair works on the two bridges.
A direct procurement method process was commenced in December 2021.

There has been delays between the procuring entity and the Ministerial Tender Committee (MTC), following some clarifications required by the MTC on the Bills of Quantities.

Despite all the delays, we are very confident that the works will commence in April 2022, after corrective action taken to address the procurement process.
immediately (iii) Funds secured for the rehabilitation of Nsuswane and Nkange bridges are provided for under the Roads Levy Fund.

I thank you Mr Speaker.

DR TSHABANG: Thank you Mr Speaker.

At least gompieno o beile timeline ya April, you once put a timeline ya December.

How are we going to trust you this time ka gore you keep on pushing time, especially when it comes to these bridges?

You said there was a contractor on site for the two bridges but he has never come.
I think e tlhalose fela foo Minister gore le nna ke tlhaloganye gore what is happening tota gone fa.

A ka April le baakanya bridges fela, kana madi otlhe a a neng a diretswe tsela, le yone le ya go simolola?

Ya konteraka ya tsela, le yone o e tlhalose gore gompieno what should the community expect ka gore o tlhalositse gore ya bridges le ya go e dira ka April.

Ya tsela, what should the community expect?


Ya bofelo; ke botse fela gore tota mme when you terminate the contract, what is the expected turnaround time gore le ka boela kwa setšhabeng la tla la simolola tsela gape?

Ke eng go le tsere lebaka?

E le ya bofelo; wena Minister and your staff, nobody ever went to address batho ba Nkange Constituency regarding this matter.

Is it gore le tsaya safety ya bone lolea kana jang?
Tota kana fa le sa bue le batho while they keep expecting you, ga le bone gore le ba utlusa botlhoko?

Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

MR SEGOKGO: Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

Kwa go ya ntlha tota as I indicated, we are in the process of procuring a contractor for conclusion of the remaining works.

So in fact, the decision ya rona was to take the sub-contractor that has been engaged to do the bridges so that a wetse the remaining works on the contract.
We did this again e le a direct procurement to try and expedite the whole process mme re ne ra nna le yone kgwetlho eo ya gore we encountered gore there were queries on the Bills of Quantities tse di neng di tsentswe for conclusion of this work with the MTC.

We are clearing it up Honourable Member so that indeed and we say we are very confident gore these works will commence in April this year.

DR TSHABANG: Kana o raya next week; April ke next week.

MR SPEAKER: Let the Minister finish.


MR SEGOKGO: Ee, kgwedi e e tlang.

Ka Setswana legale tla ke e beye gore di tlaa simologa kgwedi e e tlang sir.

Honourable Member, I think when I was briefing committee ya lona on Committee of Supply, you raised this matter ya gore in fact le rona we were not responsive enough to come and brief morafe about these developments.
I accept our failing in that respect mme ke santse ke gakolola gore kana my PS tota gone even whilst he has not arrived, took the time to come through.

I know very much at your request but also to as I have said, to own up to these challenges that we are faced.

I want to say kwa go wena gore tota mme I will do an endeavour gore after Parliament e e wetsa, ke tle go dira jalo.
I cannot give you precise turnaround times that we will have gore when we terminate ka gore this depends very much on the complexity of the project; the stage at which it is, the works that are remaining that have to be re-tendered.

As you can see, we really sought to try and turn this one around very quickly and often we are hampered also because le the contractor being terminated.
Le ene sometimes they are doing their best to try and proceed with litigation and that sort of thing 24 Hansard No 205Tuesday 22nd March, 2022QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER which can in fact delay us.

Ke tsaya gore gongwe ke di arabile.

I think I might have slipped on one question, you will remind me sir.
GOVERNMENT AND SOE TENDERS UP TO P10,000,000 MR T. LETSHOLO (KANYE NORTH): asked the Minister of Finance and Economic Development to articulate the implementation of the Motion adopted by this Honourable House requesting Government to reserve Government and State Owned Enterprises (SOE) tenders up to P10,000,000 to small, micro and medium sized 100 percent citizen-owned enterprises; and further state: (i) (i) for all individual ministries and parastatals, Batswana companies that have benefited from this Motion and tender values thereof; and (ii) foreign and non-citizen companies awarded these tenders, together with values and reasons relating to the deviation from the adopted Motion thereof.
Later Date.

STATUS OF MMATHETHE-BRAY-WERDA ROAD MR S. J. BROOKS (KGALAGADI SOUTH): asked the Minister of Transport and Communications: (i) if he is aware of the status of Mmathethe-Bray- Werda road; if so, (ii) what is the short term plan to make it accessible; and (iii) when the construction of this road will commence as it is in the National Development Plan (NDP) 11 Mid-Term Review.

OF MINISTER AND COMMUNICATIONS (MR SEGOKGO): Thank you Mr Speaker.
Mr Speaker, TRANSPORT (i) My ministry is aware of the status of Mmathethe- Bray-Werda road.

The road was assessed on 17th March 2022, and it was found to be in good drivable condition, except within the Mmathethe village, where there were bad corrugations.

(ii) To make the road accessible, my ministry grades it once every quarter.

The last grading of the road was done in November/December 2021 and the next grading is expected in April 2022.
Currently, there is no need to have the road re-graveled due to the fact that construction of the road is planned to commence shortly.

(iii) Construction of this road is expected to commence in June 2023, following the conclusion of the engineering design and Environmental Impact Assessment (EIA).

The delivery schedules of the Engineering Design and EIA are earmarked for the end of March 2023.

Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

MR BROOKS: Thank you Mr Speaker, thank you Honourable Minister.
Honourable Minister, just a quick one; ke tsaya gore o ntse o utlwa the question that came ka Honourable Rre Tshabang, a go raya a re this time around maybe o tshwanetse gore re tlhamalale go nna re bua boammaaruri.

The question is the distance that was graded ka November 2021, how long was it?

Are you aware that go na le Mashampa-Mmathethe and Mashampa-Werda… ka November 2021, how long does it stand?
Are you aware that go na le Mashampa, Mmathethe and Mashampa-Werda junction, kana ke yone thatathata e my interest e leng mo go yone, totally it was not graded.

At the same time, are you aware that go tlhoka graders mo Kgaolong ya Kgalagadi tse o saleng o di solofetse ka 2020, tse e leng gore le gompieno ga di ise di tle, ke tsone tse di dirang bothata jwa gore ditsela di se ka tsa tlhokomelesega?

I thank you sir.

MR SEGOKGO: Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

Ke a leboga Honourable Member.


Fa go na le sengwe se ke nang le a very clear intent on is to answer questions truthfully, mme fa gongwe ke a bo ke ikaya gape also because I cannot be at every single road.

I interrogate staff sa me gore ba nne very precise, and I did ask them, ‘when did you do this inspection,’ and I take it with the confidence on which ba nkarabileng gore ba ne ba dira jalo on the 17th March 2022.
What I want to acknowledge sir ke gore ga ke na the actual figure ya gore re ne ra grader how many kilometres in November-December, I interpreted to mean that we had addressed all the sections that needed to have been done on the road.
I see you shaking your head, so I would take it that I will engage further with my staff on the matter ya gore tota mme this assessment and alongside the grading section e o e buileng wa re gatwe Mashampa-Mmathethe, I will get confirmation ya gore mme seemo sa yone ke se se ntseng jang.

25 Hansard No 205Tuesday 22nd March, 2022QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER MR BROOKS: Clarification.
Mashampo-Mmathethe o ya go fitlhela e tlhokomelesega Minister, ke bua ka Mashampa, the Werda junction e e leng gore ga e ke e bo e tlhokomelesega gotlhelelelele.

Mashampa-Mmathethe go teng kwa Region ya Southern, Mashampa-Werda Junction e laolwa ke Region ya Kgalagadi, o fitlhela re le mo mathateng ka yone eo.

That was my question, so ke ne ke batla gore re di lomaganye especially ka gore the last answer o ya go di tshwara.

So ke ne ke batla gore gongwe ke e tlhakanye, ke dire selo se le sengwefela.
MR SPEAKER: You have made your point.

MR SEGOKGO: Thank you very much for that clarification.

I will then indeed follow-up on precisely on Mashampa-Werda section to make sure gore mme tota the structures of that e ntse jang.

You are also correct to say that indeed Kgalagadi e ntse e na le a shortage of graders.
I dealt with this matter particularly with the Chair wa the District Council, and I know that we did release some graders that have been brought through to Central Transport Organisation (CTO) for a test.

I do not have the exact figure ya graders which were released at the time, but my expectation ke gore at that time there was an improvement out of the release of those graders.

It took a while, but I certainly engaged CTO extensively on the release of those graders.
I will again just assess and I will engage with council there to see gore how many graders there have, and I will engage with CTO to find out if in fact we have been able to release all the graders they need.

I do want to acknowledge having been very much aware of the shortage of graders kwa district in the past.

Thank you sir.

MR BROOKS: Thank you.

I will see you next week Minister.

MR SPEAKER: I want to advise all Honourable Ministers.
Standing Order 38.4 demands that these long answers, direct them to Honourable Members, we are not going to bog down Parliament with a thesis.
GUIDANCE AND COUNSELLING TEACHERS MR O. RAMOGAPI (PALAPYE): asked the Minister of Basic Education to update this Honourable House on the following: (i) how many qualified Guidance and Counselling teachers are there in primary schools; (ii) how such teachers are utilised by the ministry; 26 (iii) when Guidance and Counselling teachers in primary schools will be exempted from normal classroom teaching and focus on guidance and counselling services only; (iv) why Guidance and Counselling in secondary schools are specialising yet they are dealing with mature students than in primary schools; teachers (v) given numerous socio-economic challenges (orphans, HIV positive children, abused children, family disorders) faced by students in primary schools why is it taking time to fully utilise the services of this underutilised, qualified human resource to help troubled learners who are affected academically; (vi) how both learners and teachers who are either infected or affected by COVID-19 being assisted in primary schools since Guidance and Counselling teachers in primary schools are turned into classroom teachers with full responsibilities and do guidance and counselling as an adhoc service; and (vii) to update this Honourable House when he will stop the discrimination or treating primary schools differently form secondary school teachers since most of these teachers have the required academic qualifications.
MINISTER OF BASIC EDUCATION (MR MOLAO): Ke a leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente.

Ke ne ke sa ntse ke tlaa simolola jalo le nna ke re, ke ya go e soboka ka gore e telele thata.

MR SPEAKER: E soboke ngwana wa botate.

MR MOLAO: Ee, mme e le telele, e dikologa gape golo go le gongwe fela.

Nte ke simolole karolo ya ntlha Mr Speaker.

Nte ke leboge Motlotlegi Ramogapi.


Lephata la Thuto go tswa kwa Moding le na le barutabana ba bokaedi le ba tshidilo maikutlo mo dikoleng tsotlhe tse di potlana lefatshe la Botswana ka bophara.

E le barutabana ba e leng gore, jaaka re itse gore mo primary school, barutabana ba ruta dithuto tsotlhe fela tse di fitlhelwang kwa dikoleng tsa rona tse di potlana, le bone ba dira fela jalo.
Barutabana ba jaaka ke sa tswa go bua, ba ruta tsone tsa bokaedi le tshidilomaikutlo, ba bo ba tswelela ba ruta le dithuto tse dingwe tse di fitlhelwang mo lephateng le.

Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, re a lemoga re le lephata gore mo nakong ya gompieno, Hansard No 205Tuesday 22nd March, 2022QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER dikgwetlho di oketsegile tse di tlhokang gore bokaedi le tsa tshidilo maikutlo di kgone go tsenelela mo baithuting, gammogo le bodiredi fela ka bophara.
Gompieno re sekaseka mabaka a tiro le phiro ya bodiredi jwa rona Lephata lotlhe la Thuto go tswa kwa Moding, go bona gore ditlhokego di fa kae gore re tle re kgone go oketsa botlhe ba ba dirang tsa bokaedi tsa tshidilo maikutlo mo lephateng la rona.

Ke fetele mo go yone ya gore o tlaa lemoga gore kana kwa dikoleng tse di potlana le dikole tse di kgolwane kwa secondary, go a farologana ka fa tiro e dirwang ka teng.
Kwa secondary barutabana ba itebaganya le dithuto tse di rileng kante they specialise, mme kwa primary school gone, ba ruta dithuto tsotlhe fela ka bophara jwa tsone.

Re lemoga jalo gore ga re na barutabana ba ba ithutetseng dithuto tsa bokaedi le tsa tshidilo maikutlo ba le dipalo tse di lekaneng mo dikoleng tsa rona, gammogo le mo lefatsheng la rona fela ka kakaretso.
Re ntse re tsweletse, re leka go tlhama diphatlha tse disha tse re ka thapang ba bangwe ba ba ntseng ba fetsa dithuto tsa bone, ba dirile dithuto tse di tlhokegang tsa bokaedi le tsa tshidilo maikutlo gore re tle re oketse ka fa re thusang bana ka teng.
Re rulagantse le barutabana ka bophara jwa bone gore fa go tlhokegang teng go sedila bana maikutlo, gammogo le ope fela yo o tlhokang a le mo tirong, re lomagane le maphata a mangwe a a tshwanang le a bo boipelego le a mangwe a a ka kwa ntle ga dikole go thusa go thiba diphatlha tse re di fitlhelang mo dikoleng tsa rona.

Ke tiro e re sa ntseng re dumela gore e a bereka le fa go na le ditlhaelo fale le fale.
Kwa bofelong, ke e soboka Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, re a itse gore re nnile le dikgwetlho tsa COVID-2019, e e tsileng ya dira gore tsotlhe tsa tshidilo maikutlo, di tle di kgone gore di nweelele mo dikoleng tsa rona le mo bodireding, e bile go tlhokege gore batho ba sidilwe maikutlo ba le bantsi go ya ka dikgwetlho ka fa di neng di ntse ka teng.
Re tshwaragane le ba United Nations International Children’s Emergency Fund (UNICEF) le makalana a mangwe go re thusa go batla batho ba ba ithutetseng tsa bokaedi le tshidilo maikutlo gore ba nne ba thusa bodiredi jwa rona mo dikoleng go thiba diphatlha tse di leng teng gompieno.

Barutabana ba ka nna 134, le bodiredi ka kakaretso mo dikoleng tsa rona tse di potlana, ba ne ba rutuntshiwa go leka go thusa go sidila maikutlo ka nako ya COVID-2019, mme re tlaa tswelela re ntse re dira jalo re ya kwa pele.
Kwa bofelelong Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, gore a bo barutabana ba ba kwa dikoleng tse di potlana le ba secondary e le gore mabaka a bone a tiro a na le go farologana, ga se gore ke discrimination jaaka Mopalamente a bua, ke ka fa e leng gore mabaka a tiro a dirilwe ka teng mo nakong ya gompieno, the Scheme of Service gore e bo e ba kgaogantse.
Jaaka ke buile pele, re dira mo ka Sekgoa ke ka reng, we are reviewing our operational structure, mme re tlaa sekaseka gore mabaka a bone a tiro a ka tshwantshanngwa fela kgotsa jang.

Fa re sena go nna re wetsa tshekatsheko yone e e tseneletseng ya go baakanya our operational structure sa ministry wa rona, gore fa e le gore re felela re re go tshwantshanngwe fela go lekalekane, re tlaa dira jalo kgotsa fa re tlaa welang teng.
Ke tiro e e sa ntseng e tsweletse re e dira, re e buisana le ba ba nang le seabe botlhe ba ba amegang mo go tsa thuto.

Ka tshoboko Mr Speaker, ke yone karabo, e nngwe o tlaa e bona e le e e kwadilweng.

Ke a leboga.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Supplementary.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ga o a summarise sepe le wena.

MR SPEAKER: We have done very badly today.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Supplementary.

MR SPEAKER: Dira ka pela Ramogapi MR RAMOGAPI: Supplementary.
Ke a go leboga Honourable Minister, ka potso e e nametsang pelo gore you will review scheme of service, ke tsaya gore batlhophi ba gago ba reeditse.

Ke botse ka bofefo rraetsho gore, are you aware Honourable Minister gore kwa primary schools ga gona fa e reng ngwana a batla go fiwa counselling ba ka tsena mo ntlong ba ipotetsa, jaaka molao wa counselling o kopa gore go nne le sephiri?
A o a lemoga Tona gore ga gona kamore ya mofuta o. Sa bobedi ke go botse gore Tona… MR SPEAKER: Your time is up Honourable Member.

MR RAMOGAPI: Ao Mr Speaker, mme jaanong o ne o e tsenyetsa eng, o sa e tsenye kamoso?

Procedure Mr Speaker, a o tlaa e tsenya kamoso?

HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible)… MR SPEAKER: Honourable Minister categorically made it clear to you that he is going to send you a written answer.

No need go e tsenya kamoso.


27 Hansard No 205Tuesday 22nd March, 2022QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER MR RAMOGAPI: Gakere mme ke na le supplementary Mr Speaker.

Fa go ntse jaana bogolo ke eng o sa e tsenye kamoso?

MR SPEAKER: Time has gone.

Clerk, we are going into another chapter.

MR RAMOGAPI: Ga o ka ke wa ntsenya fela jaana Mr Speaker, o bo o re time has gone, o ntse o ntsenya nako e fedile.

You are not fair Mr Speaker.


Nnyaa Mr Speaker ke gore o gogela kobo fela kwa Domkrag le fa go sa tlhokafaleng teng.

ASSEMBLY IN COMMITTEE (CHAIRPERSON in the Chair) APPROPRIATION (2022/2023) BILL, 2022 (NO.

2 OF 2022) ORGANISATION 2500 – MINISTRY OF DEFENCE, JUSTICE AND SECURITY (Resumed Debate) MR CHAIRPERSON (MR MOATLHODI): Honourable Members, the debate on this Bill is resuming.

When the House adjourned earlier this afternoon, Honourable Minister responsible for the chapter had just begun.
MINISTER OF DEFENCE, JUSTICE AND (MR MMUSI): Thank you Mr SECURITY Chairperson.

Mr Chairperson, I also reported that an initiative by the ministry was underway to establish a child-friendly justice system.

This entails improving the justice system in order to protect the well-being of our children.

A situational analysis is being finalised following which a plan to reform including policy and guidelines will be developed and implemented.
Refugee Management Mr Chairperson, there are Nine Hundred and Thirty- Three (933) refugees in Botswana.

Last year, I reported that the refugee population stood at One Thousand and Ninety-Three (1093).

We continue to experience a steady decline in the refugee population, as a result of the successful return of refugees to their countries of origin whenever the situation is conducive to do so.
Anti-Human Trafficking Mr Chairperson, on the 25th of January 2022, the International Monetary Fund (IMF) had determined that 28 the global economy entered 2022 in a weaker position than previously expected.

The IMF forecast that the potential reposition of mobility restriction in response to the possible re-emergence of COVID-19 variants.
In this respect, implementing the global plan of action against trafficking persons, which Botswana acceded to in September 2017 identifies will be faced with unfavourable economy, which may in then be catalyst that exacerbate transactional organised crime in the form of human trafficking.
the perverseness of Given the complexity ascribed to investigating cases of human trafficking, it is also commendable that we managed to dispose of two human trafficking cases in 2021, one of which unfortunately involved the systematic sexual exploitation of a 16 year old minor.
Mr Chairperson, the current Anti-Human Trafficking National Action Plan is also coming to an end this year, and efforts are underway to review the plan to devise a new plan in conjunction with key stakeholders, which will be aligned to key national development frameworks including the RESET Agenda.
Licencing and Management of Private Security Services and Innovation Hub Mr Chairperson, my ministry through the Private Security Service Licensing Board industry, has teamed up with the Ministry of Transport and Communications, and Botswana Digital SmartBotswana to expedite the automation of private security licensing processes.

The project is expected to ease the application processes and ensure the database security and electronic archiving of records.
To date, the process of …(Inaudible)… is ongoing since 24th January, 2022.

Mr Chairperson, all along the main service provided was guarding.

However, the Private Security Services Act No.

11 of 2015 in a broad way introduced new services being Specialist, Close Protection, Electronic, Investigator and Advisory services.
At the moment, the ministry is in consultation with Attorney General’s Chambers in working on strengthening the regulations to deliver on the mandate of the Act in relation to these new services.

It must be noted that the private security service industry in its new form and scope, exists to complement the work of the Police in the public security sector and offers employment option to thousands of Batswana.
Hansard No 205Tuesday 22nd March, 2022ORGANISATION 2500 – MINISTRY OF DEFENCE, JUSTICE AND SECURITYCommittee of Supply (Resumed Debate) Mr Chairperson, the country experienced a spate of cash-in-transit heists in Gaborone and its periphery between August and November, 2021.

The ministry engaged stakeholders in a bid to find lasting solutions to this issue.

At the moment, the Botswana Police Service accompanying vehicles that ferry cash to the auto- teller machines, is only a temporary measure.
Further consultations are ongoing on measures that should be put in place to guarantee the safety of cash and assets in transit, with the aim of ultimately relieving the Botswana Police on escort duties.
CHEMICAL, BIOLOGICAL, RADIOLOGICAL (CBRN) MANAGEMENT AND NUCLEAR AUTHORITY Mr Chairperson, as part of the commitment toward global peace and security, Botswana pursued a comprehensive and full-life cycle approach to addressing Chemical, Biological, and Radiological and Nuclear (CBRN) risks, and incorporate other obligations under other regimes.

This is also a particularly important part of effective coordination of Botswana objectives to Anti- Money Laundering and Counter Terrorism (AML/CT) survey study.
Mr Chairperson, non-proliferation of Weapons of Mass Destruction has been strengthened by developing a National Action Implementation Plan in partnership with the United Nations Security Council (UNSCR) group of experts.

The plan outlines national priorities to provide a coherent framework of action for implementing the UNSCR 1540 as well as counter-proliferation financing as required by the Financial Action Task Force (FATF).
OFFICE OF THE RECEIVER Mr Chairperson, the Office of the Receiver continues to receive Court Orders for seizure of movable and immovable property determined by the courts as proceeds and instruments of crime.

To date, the office has received 38 Court Orders for seizure of properties meeting various descriptions and of these, the court has since ordered return of such properties in five of them.
Mr Chairperson, as at January 2022, the total value of the properties under the management of the Receiver was One Hundred and Eighty-Five Million, Three Hundred and Forty Thousand, Seven Hundred and Eighty-Two Pula and Eighty Thebe (P185 340 782.80).

Mr Chairperson, execution of the Asset Management Solution is expected to be completed during the financial year 2022/2023 followed by the actual disposal of approved assets, this plans development and valuation of moveable assets.
The Office of the Receiver envisages to develop an office strategy, which will set the tone of the office operations and provide clear guidelines to ensure continuity and clarity in delivering the mandate.

VETERAN AFFAIRS Mr Chairperson, it is my intention to bring to Parliament a Military Veterans Bill, aimed at providing for the welfare and benefits of separated members of the Botswana Defence Force (BDF).
This is an acknowledgement of the challenges faced by a large number of former servicemen, who struggle to transit from active military service to civilian life.

It has been realised that the current set-up where the BDF Commander is charged with the responsibility for running the active force and administration of veterans’ welfare is cumbersome and goes against the international best practice.
Mr Chairperson, the Bill will facilitate the establishment of the Veteran Affairs Unit within my ministry, headed at Director level.

It will also establish governing bodies and functions of the unit and set out relationships with associations of separate members and other organisations with interest in the welfare of former service men and women.

To mitigate the costs of establishing the office, a lot of personnel rationalisation had already been done within the ministry.
LEGAL AID BOTSWANA Mr Chairperson, Legal Aid Botswana (LAB) has diversified its digital platforms to enhance service delivery, particularly in its public legal education and awareness programmes and/or activities and provision of legal services nationwide.

Various electronic and digital platforms were utilised by the Legal Aid including but not limited to television, website, Facebook to achieve success on delivery.
Mr Chairperson, LAB also successfully opened a new service centre at Palapye, bringing the number of service centres to six, including the existing ones located at Gaborone, Francistown, Maun, Kasane, and Tsabong.

This has assisted LAB’s legal service and legal education outreach.

The service centre has performed very well especially in publicity and legal education.
29 Hansard No 205Tuesday 22nd March, 2022ORGANISATION 2500 – MINISTRY OF DEFENCE, JUSTICE AND SECURITYCommittee of Supply (Resumed Debate) BOTSWANA DEFENCE FORCE Mr Chairperson, there were notable achievements during the financial year 2021/2022.

The Botswana Defence Force (BDF) conducted a broad range of domestic and regional operations in order to protect and promote peace and security.
In some of the domestic functions, the BDF continued with the provision of aid to civil authorities, aid to the Botswana Police Service (BPS) in fighting crime and continued with current enduring operations in the form of border and anti-poaching operations.

In respect of the COVID-19 pandemic, the BDF provided support to line ministries, including the Ministry of Health and Wellness (MoHW) and Ministry of Transport and Communications (MTC).
The BDF also continued to provide protection and transportation to Very Important Persons (VIPs) and Very Very Important Persons (VVIPs).

Mr Chairperson, at regional level, the BDF was engaged in peacekeeping operations in Mozambique and Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC).

In Mozambique, the BDF contributed to the attainment of regional security and stability by deploying 300 troops as part of the SADC Mission in Mozambique (SAMIM).
The Defence Force also participated in peace observer missions in DRC, under the ambit of the United Nations (UN), and assisted in stability process in the Kingdom of Lesotho and Eswatini.

The success in conducting these operations is a direct consequence of Government’s commitment and dedication in continually funding the defence programmes and projects such as air assets, logistics support, vehicles, specialised defence equipment, communication equipment and infrastructure development.
The expectation is that, the BDF will continue with the operations it is engaged with well into the next financial year, thus the need for continued funding.

BOTSWANA POLICE SERVICE Mr Chairperson, Botswana Police Service (BPS) continues to implement various law enforcement strategies to remove opportunities for crime.

There are positive developments in the protection and promotion of human rights especially the prevention of violence and abuses that result in physical, sexual or psychological harm.
The police are actively implementing efforts to improve the investigation and prosecution of Gender Based Violence (GBV) related cases and those involving children.

Already, two Child Friendly Service Centres have been established in Gaborone and Francistown, in part, to create a conducive environment for handling the victims and safeguard their privacy.

The on-going rollout of the centres to Maun, Palapye and Lobatse will go a long way in meeting essential security requirements.
Mr Chairperson, in pursuit of increasing police visibility and access the following police posts projects were completed in 2021 and come are to be completed soon: (i) Parakarungu Police Post have been handed over.

(ii) Mabesekwa Police Post - handed over.

(iii) Radisele Police Post - handed over.

(iv) Mopipi Police Post – to be handed over in the next month.

(v) Dimajwe Police Post - 90 per cent completion.

Mr Chairperson, the BPS is responsive to any emerging security requirement.
As you are no doubt aware, the country has been experiencing a growth in armed robberies targeting cash in transit vehicles and some large businesses in Gaborone and other areas.

These criminals comprise both local and foreign nationals who appear to be jointly perpetrating these criminal acts.

Mr Chairperson, road safety is another national priority where the BPS is a key stakeholder.
The realisation of improved road safety management is pursued through enforcement initiatives characterised by reinforced stakeholder engagements such as roadblocks, highway patrols, road safety operations and public education.

PRISONS AND REHABILITATION Mr Chairperson, currently we have 22 prisons and a centre for illegal immigrants in Francistown with an authorised carrying capacity of 4 337.
As at 16th March, 2022, the number of prisoners held in our facilities was 3 929 and 317 children accompanying their parents.

This implies that we are operating at 9.4 per cent below our authorised carrying capacity.

However, we are still experiencing overcrowding in high security prisons which is attributed to the magnitude of admissions of highly sophisticated criminals.
However, we are still experiencing overcrowding in some of the prisons which is attributed to the magnitude of admissions of highly sophisticated crimes.

Mr Chairperson, the Prison Service will continue to capacitate officers to perform with due diligence.
This shall be done through regular meetings, workshops and 30 Hansard No 205Tuesday 22nd March, 2022ORGANISATION 2500 – MINISTRY OF DEFENCE, JUSTICE AND SECURITYCommittee of Supply (Resumed Debate) refresher courses to instil discipline, vigilance, espirit- de-corps, the use of technological advancements and scale up searches to detect possible escapes and prevent contrabands from entering prison premises.
With a view to enhancing prisoner rehabilitation initiatives, the Prison Service has developed an Offender Re-integration Strategy to facilitate successful re-entry of offenders into the society.

Mr Chairperson, the Prison Service has further come up with the Prison Food Security initiative, which is in line with National Priority No.

4 on Value-Chain Development on His Excellency’s Reset Agenda.
This initiative will focus on prisoners with agriculture and agro processing skills, thereby enhancing the Prison Service contribution to the national food basket.

It is anticipated that the initiative will facilitate an increase in food produced in Prison facilities, especially grains and vegetables.
BUDGET PROPOSALS FOR THE FINANCIAL YEAR 2022/2023 Recurrent Budget Mr Chairperson, I request an amount of Eight Billion, Five Hundred and Twenty-Five Million, Four Hundred and Thirty-Five Thousand, Three Hundred and Twenty Pula (P8, 525, 435 320.00) for the Recurrent Budget for the 2022/2023 financial year.

This is an increase of Forty-Two Million, Four Hundred and Twenty-Six Thousand, Three Hundred and Forty Pula (P42, 426, 340.00) or 0.5 per cent of the 2021/2022 financial year.
CONCLUSION Mr Chairperson, this concludes my presentation of the 2022/23 Budget estimates for the Ministry of Defence, Justice and Security.
I therefore request that the sum of Eight Billion, Five Hundred and Twenty- Five Million, Four Hundred and Thirty Five Thousand, Three Hundred and Twenty Pula (P8, 525, 435, 320.00) under the Recurrent Budget for Organisation 2500 be approved and stand part of the Schedule of the Appropriation (2022/23) Bill and that the sum of One Billion, Six Hundred and Seventy-Seven Million, Seventeen Thousand, Three Hundred and Five Pula (P1, 677, 017, 305.00) under the Development Budget for Organisation 2500 be approved and stand part of the estimates for the financial year 2022/23.
I thank you Mr Chairperson.

ASSISTANT MINISTER FOR PRESIDENTIAL AFFAIRS, GOVERNANCE AND PUBLIC ADMINISTRATION (MR MTHIMKHULU): Ke lebogile Mr Chairperson.

Ke simolole fela ke re, ke emela go ema nokeng kopo ya ga Honourable Kagiso Mmusi ya Ministry wa gagwe wa Defence, Justice and Security.

Ke simolole ka ba sepodise sa rona sa Botswana ke re, ba dira tiro e e siameng fela thata, e e manontlhotlho.
Re bona mo malatsing a a fetileng, batho ba ngongorega go na le robberies tse dintsintsi fela thata fa ke lebile ngwaga e e neng e feta e tsamaela go fela le e e neng e simologa e. E bile Batswana ba setse ba ngongorega gore jaanong kana matshelo a bone a mo diphatseng.
Re a bona, re a lemoga gore tiro e ba e dirang jaanong e fetotse seemo se se neng se le teng maloba mo batho ba neng ba tshela ka bosesane ba sa itse gore a mme ba tlaa kgona go tsamaya sentle, go lala sentle kwa malwapeng a bone ba sa fitlhelelwa ke dirukutlhi di ba tshosetsa matshelo a bone, di ba tseela dithoto tsa bone.
Re a leboga fela thata Rre Mmusi ka tiro e e ntle e le e dirang e. Rre Mmusi, go a tlhokafala gore le bana ba Special Constables, ke a itse gore go na le tsamaiso ya ga Goromente e e leng teng gone kwa sepodiseng gore ba ka hirwa jang.

Tota go a tlhokafala gore batho ba ba hirwe, ba setse ba le teng mo ditirong, ba bangwe ba na le dingwaga tse dintsi ba berekile bo 5, 10 years e ntse e le Special Constables.
Bana ba ba rona ba bereka tiro fela e e tshwanang le ya mapodise fela a a tswang kwa sekoleng, e bile ba berekisiwa le go feta.

Tota go ka nametsa fa re ka bona ba tsewa ka dipalo tse di kwa godimo gore e bile ba tle ba thuse go feta le go lwantsha borukutlhi jo bo neng bo neng bo tsweletse thata maloba jo le bo lwantshitseng go wela kwa tlase jwa armed robbery.
Go ka nametsa tota gore ba hirwe, ba bonale gongwe le gongwe ka dipalo tse di kwa godimo jaanong e le mapodise a a tletseng ba tswa sekoleng, e seng e le Special Constables.

E bile gape ka gore ba setse ba kile ba bereka Honourable Mmusi, ke botsa gore moo gore a go ka se ke go bonwe tsela nngwe e e ka dirwang go nale gore ba ye sekoleng ngwaga to train?
Ka ba setse ba itse tiro ba setse ba kile ba e bereka, a go ka se ke go bonwe tsela nngwe fela e e siameng ya go ka tsenngwa mo sepodiseng sentle ba hirilwe e le mapodise a a tletseng?

E seng e le Special Constables ka gore ke bao re a bona ba bereka tiro fela e e siameng ba sireletsa Batswana.

Ke boe gape ke fetele kwa go ya Legal Aid Rre Mmusi.

Legal Aid e sale jaaka e simolola e dirile tiro e ntsi e ntle fela thata.
E thusa Batswana ba ba sa kgoneng go ya go 31 Hansard No 205Tuesday 22nd March, 2022ORGANISATION 2500 – MINISTRY OF DEFENCE, JUSTICE AND SECURITYCommittee of Supply (Resumed Debate) ikemela at the courts.

Kana pele ga o ka lemoga before e tla, go ne go na le e e neng e dirwa ke High Court fela go emelwa batho ba ba bolaileng batho ke pro deo counsels.
Jaanong e rile fa Legal Aid e tla ya leka go katolosa gone golo mo go thiba that gap, e e leng gore Batswana ka bontsi… …Silence… MR CHAIRPERSON: Honourable Minister, please unmute yourself.

MR MTHIMKHULU: Thank you Mr Chairperson.

Kana ba tsiediwa ke dirukutlhi ba ba tseela dilo tsa bone ka ditsela tse di maretshwa tse di ntseng jalo.

Legal Aid e bereka tiro e ntle fela thata.

Jaanong ke bona e bile gape e ile kwa dikgaolong di ka tshwara borataro mo Botswana.
Gongwe le gongwe fela le kwa bo Tsabong, Francistown… HONOURABLE MEMBER: Le bo Palapye jaana.

MR MTHIMKHULU: Ee, all the four corners tsa lefatshe e gone koo e dira tiro fela ya manontlhotlho e thusa Batswana.

Le tswelele, go santse go na le batho le mo Gaborone mo Honourable Minister, ba ba sa itseng gore ba ka bona jang thuso ya Legal Aid.

Ba tswelele ka thutuntsho ya bone ba fitlhelele kwa mafelong a batho ba ba ka tswang ba tlhoka thuso ya bone e e tletseng, ba ba bone ba kgone go ba thusa.
Batho ba bantsi jaaka kwa dikgaolong tsa Old Naledi ba ba senang dithata tsa go nna le lawyers tsa bone.

Batho ba ba tseelwa matlo ke ba masika, bana ba tseelwa benefits tsa bo rraabone, ba bangwe ba kobiwa mo ditirong go sena gore ba ka itsheka, ba tletse mo makeišhaneng a rona.
A Legal Aid e bone tsela e e faphegileng ya go ba fitlhelela gore ba tle ba kgone go itse gore go na le kwa ba ka bonang thuso teng ya semolao ka gore nako le nako fa ba ya diagenteng kana ke go fe sekai fela ba kgokgontshitswe ke makalana a ga Goromente a mangwe, kana mapodise, re tshwanetse go ba bulela dikgoro gore ba itse gore le bone ba kgona go fitlhelela gone koo ba thusiwe.

Batho ba ba dikobo dikhutshwane ga ba kgone to enforce their rights like all other members of the community.
Ke tswelele gape jaanong ke bue ka sa sesole.

Re bone ba sesole sa Botswana ba le kwa Mozambique Rre Mmusi.

Ke a go akgola gape.

Ke akgola masole a Botswana le ba lephata la gago gore ba bo ba dira tiro e e ntle kwa Mozambique go… …Silence… MR CHAIRPERSON: Did we Honourable Minister?

Please unmute yourself.

lose you again MR MTHIMKHULU: Thank you Mr Chairperson.
Kana Puso ya mafatshe a re bapileng le yone fa e ka phutlhama, e phutlhamisiwa ke dirukutlhi, go raya gore kana le rona kwano seemo sa rona sa itshireletso ga se eme sentle ka gore kana batho ba fa ba le kwa Mozambique, ke neighbours tsa rona, dirukutlhi tse tsa terrorists ba kgona go goroga kwano ba tla go re tshikinya.
Gape jaanong go a re thusa gore re bo re le kwa gore re bo re ka fokotsa palo ya batshabi ba ba ka feletsang ba gorogile kwano jaaka re bone dingwaga tse di fetileng mafatshe a re bapileng le one e le gore jaanong re na le refugees tse dintsi mo Botswana ba re imela.

Ba tla ka dilo tse dintsi go tloge go oketse crime level e ya kwa godimo mo lefatsheng la Botswana, ke re re ba leboga fela thata.

Ke a bona gape gore o kopetse ba Botswana Defence Force (BDF) madi gore ba ye go reka dibetsa ba itlhabolola.
Rre Mmusi, madi a a kopilweng a tsamae a ye go dira tiro ya one, e se ka ya nna jaaka dingwaga tse di fetileng mo re neng re utlwa mo dikgannyeng gotwe dibetsa tse di neng di rekilwe e ne e le second hand di rekiwa from the scrap yards di bo di tlisiwa mo Botswana e le gore Batswana have been …(inaudible)… go rekilwe planes tse di sa berekeng, dikgoropa fela.

A a tsamae a ye go bereka tiro ya one Honourable Mmusi.
Gompieno selelo sa rona ke gore tota re tlaa tshepha jang re utlwa gotwe dibetsa tse di rekilweng ke dikgoropa, a di tlaa direletsa Batswana kgatlhanong le dilo tse di maswe tse di tswang kwa ntle ga lefatshe?

Re bone maloba o tsaya masole a lefatshe la Botswana o ba isa Mozambique ba pagama flying machine ya Air Botswana.

Re ne ra ipotsa re le bantsi re le Batswana gore fa ba pagama flying machine ya Air Botswana, flying machines tse di takilweng ka mmala wa bone wa sesole tsone di kae?
Le gore a di a tlhaela kana ga di yo?

Di kae?

Ke tsone dilo tse re buang ka tsone gore go tswa kwa re tswang teng go ntse gotwe BDF e fiwa madi a mantis.

Le pele ga re tla mo Palamenteng ba bangwe ba rona, go ne gotwe BDF e fiwa madi a mantsi.

Ke fa re ne re bona maloba o kare se re se bonang ga se kgotsofatse sentle e bile se belaetsa gore a masole a rona a ready go ya go sireletsa lefatshe la Mozambique kana go lwantsha dirukutlhi kwa lefatsheng la Mozambique.
Re ne re bona ba tsamaya ka difofane tse e seng tsone tse di sa direlelwang ntwa.

Dilo tse di ntseng jaana Rre Mmusi ka boikokobetso, re a kopa gore madi a e re fa a goroga kwa BDF a ye go reka air assets tse go buiwang 32 Hansard No 205Tuesday 22nd March, 2022ORGANISATION 2500 – MINISTRY OF DEFENCE, JUSTICE AND SECURITYCommittee of Supply (Resumed Debate) ka tsone fa, e nne tsone tse di tlaa tlang di siame di re sireletse.
Tsone military vehicles tse re buang ka tsone fa le …(interruption)… e nne tsone ya maemo a ntlha.

E se ka ya nna dilo tse e leng gore fa di tsena fa jaanong di dikgoropa, di tlaabo di tsewa di bewa.

Jaaka re itse tse di kileng tsa rekwa bogologolo tsa diteraka tse jaanong di setseng di ntshiwa ka auction sales e le dikgoropa fela.

Ga re batle golo mo go ntseng jalo, ga re batle madi a setšhaba a ya go dirisiwa dilo tse e seng tsone.
Ka a le kalo Rre Mmusi, ke a go tshepha e bile ke a dumela gore madi a BDF a tlaa dirisiwa ka fa a tshwanetseng ka teng, e seng jaaka a ne a dirisiwa pele BDF e sena dibetsa tse di siameng.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification.

MR MTHIMKHULU: Through you Mr Chairperson, o ka tsena morena.

MR CHAIRPERSON: I think you are now soliciting.

I am now going to the next Honourable Member of Parliament.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: E tšhaile o ntse o re soliciting.
HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ke ne ke kopa clarification Mr Chairperson, legale fa e tšhaile go siame.

MR CHAIRPERSON: E tšhaile Mokgopeng.

MR BROOKS (KGALAGADI SOUTH): Thank you Mr Chairperson.

Good afternoon again.

Ke re ke eme fela ka go supa kemo nokeng mo kopong ya madi ya ga rraetsho Rre Mmusi, gore re mo a neele a ye go dira ditiro jaaka a sa tswa go di balolola.
Ga ke a tshwanela gore ke bo ke re, tsaya madi ke ao tlhe o a dirise, ke sa fete ka dikgang tse di tswang dingwagangwaga di saletse kwa morago mo kgaolong ya me ya Kgalagadi Borwa, tse ke nang le keletso ya go mo kopa gore e nne nngwe ya dilo tse a tlaa di lebelelang.

Ke tlhokile lesego maabane go bua mo ministry wa ga rraetsho Rre Molale.

Tota maikaelelo e ne e le gore ke itebaganye thata le dikago tsa matlo a sepodise, police offices le bana ba gagwe mapodise ka bo bone.
Minister, re santse re itemogela gore mo lefatsheng la Botswana ka kakaretso batho that share thatathata mo bodirelangpusong ke mapodise.

Mapodise are made to share rraetsho.

Selo se Mr Chairperson re tshwanetse go se tlhaloganya, re bo re se lemoge gore ga re a tshwanela go tswelela to make people share ka bokete jo bo kanakana.

Tona, just imagine fa go ne go agilwe ntlo e go ka bong gotwe Mapalamente otlhe ba tshwanetse gore ba nne mo go yone, e le ntlo lehalahala, go ne go ya go nna jang?
Ke gore go sa kgatlhelesege gore a ke bomme kana borre, sone seemo seo se ne se ya go nna jaana?

Jaanong ke eng re batla bana ba bangwe to share ka bokete jo bo kanakana, mme ba dira tiro e e tseneletseng ya go sireletsa setšhaba, ya go sireletsa dithoto tsa Puso, jalojalo?

Tiro e re itseng gore ba sepodise ba a e dira.


Re tshwanetse gore re lebe, re bo re akanye sesha Tona gore re dira jang go tlhofofatsa, re bo re ngoke mapodise, re bo re dira gore fa ba le kwa ditirong ba bereke ba phuthologile ba sa akanye gore kana go na le thulathulano kwa kitchen kana sitting room, bana ba rona ba itaana ka dikgono.

Dilo tse di tlisa kgotlang mo lelwapeng, di bo di ame tiro.

Rraetsho, ke re gongwe ke ka lebagana thata le police office ya kwa Bokspits.
Ke tswa kgakala ke bua ka police office e. Boammaaruri fela jo bo sa jelweng pheko, kana re bua ka ntlo e e leng gore, Rre Molale o tlaa ntshupela Honourable Minister gore ke office e e saleng e agiwa ka nako efe, mme nako kgolo ke eno, ba neelwa caravan-nyana, pula fa di na jaana di ana.

Ba neetswe caravan-nyana e one e Station Commander wa Bokspits le mothusi wa gagwe ba berekelang mo go yone.
Pula fa e na jaana di kolobisitse files maloba, fela lepodise le tswa kwa Kgotleng le re, “ke sekisitse, jaanong case e a tswelela,” pula ya lala ena bosigo, e kolobeditse files.

Dilo tse ga re direle bana sentle, e bile ga re direle lefatshe la Botswana sentle.

Ke dilo tse re tshwanetseng go di ela tlhoko thata Honourable Minister.

Minister, ke re a re lebelele bana ba Special Constables.
Bana ba Special Constable at first because go nna e kete ka gore they are desperate, you are taking advantage of that.

Re bo re hira bana ba Special Constable ba nna kwa dikgaolong, ke gore o tlaabo a tswa kwa Francistown, Tutume, a fetisediwa kwa Bokspits, re tsaya wa Bokspits re mo fetisetsa kwa Shakawe, a duelwa P2200.00.

A duela ntlo, dijo, a na le ngwana kana bana mo lelwapeng, kwa morago a tlogetse batho.

Mr Minister a mme golo mo a ga re lemoge gore totatota re ja bana ba ntsoma?
Re ba ja ntsoma ka gore ba dira tiro e e faphegileng.

Gompieno jaaka nna le wena re bua jaana kwa Rapplespan le Struizendam ke bone fela ba ba tshwereng ofisi ele.

Ofisi e le ke gore fa di ne dilo di tsamaya sentle e ne e tshwanetse gore e bo e eteletswe pele ke Sergeant.

Office ya McCarthy’s Rust office ke ele e komaletse, ga go na mapodise Mr Minister.

A o emisitse intake ya kwa Otse rraetsho?
A ko o re bolelele 33 Hansard No 205Tuesday 22nd March, 2022ORGANISATION 2500 – MINISTRY OF DEFENCE, JUSTICE AND SECURITYCommittee of Supply (Resumed Debate) Tona gore dikgaolo tse di tshwanang le tsone tsele le dikgaolo tse di tshwanetse tsa neelwa mapodise… Dikgaolo tse ke di buang tse bo McCarthy’s Rust, Rapplespan, Struizendam di fa thoko ga molelwane wa South Africa le Botswana, di tshwanelwa ke gore di nne le Mapodise a e leng gore nako tsotlhe ba ntse malalaalaotswe mo go tsone.
Ga re ka ke ra tswelela Mr Minister fa bana ba sa nne sentle ka tsela e e ntseng jalo.

E nngwe e ke neng ke re ke ye kwa go yone rraetsho ke gore, ke go lebise le ofisi ya Werda.

Ofisi ya Werda e ka go gakgamatsa, fa o feta kwa ntle o bona bontle jwa dikago, tsena mo teng o tlaa bona dololo!

wa dololo!

wa ga mmadololo.

Re solofela gore tiro e ka nna jang fa bodiredi jwa rona fa ba berekalang teng Tona ba sa nne sentle, ba sa bereke mo tikologong e e siameng.
Re tshwanetse gape ra itebaganya thata le kgang e ya dikamela.

Kana fa o le mo Tsabong… Tsabong re batla gore e nne kgaolwana ya go ngoka bajanala, ke sone se re nang le Tsamama e e ruileng dikamela.

Re bona dikamela tsa gago e nna tsone tse di dumedisang bajanala fela between Omaweneno and Tsabong, between Tloganeng and Maubelo.

They are all over.
They are all over.

Bajanala fa ba re, re ya kwa Tsamama re ya go bona dikamela kwa kampeng ele, ba itsaya dinepe mahala fela le dikamela tse, ba a itumela mo go tsone, ka gore dikamela tsa gago they are all over.

Ke eng o sa rekise dikamela tse di tletsetletseng around Tsabong tse, le tsone di tshosa bana.

Re tshwanetse gore re dirise dilo tsa Puso ka kelotlhoko le ka botswapelo... HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification.

MR BROOKS: E nngwe ke kgang ya letlhoko la dikoloi rraetsho.
Re tlhoka dikoloi mo kgaolong e e ka kwano ya Kgalagadi…ga ke itse gore ke mang yo o batlang clarification.

Re tlhoka dikoloi mo kgaolong ya kgalagadi tse re tshwanetseng le tsone ra ema ka dinao ra bona gore re dira jang.

Rraetsho re go lebogele gore bana ba gago ba masole ba o ba isitseng gore ba ye go re thusa kwa lefatsheng la Mozambique ba dira tiro sentle.
Re batla gore o tswelele jaaka Mothusa Tona Rre Mthimkhulu a sa tswa go bua gore rekela bana ba gago difofane, re lese go bona masole a mafatshe a mangwe ba tsamaya ka difofane tsa bone, masole a rona a bo a santse a tsamaya ka bo mmamperenyana.

O kile wa palama difofane tse tsa masole, re tsamaile trips di le mmalwa nna le wena, o kare o palame teraka ya matipane o le mo lefaufaung.

Re tshwanetse gore re ipaakanye.

Ke dumela gore kgang ya Ukraine le Russia e re rutile sengwe.
E re rutile gore mo lefatsheng ga go na kagiso.

E re rutile gore baagisanyi ba rona le fa re ka tswa re tshega, itumela, le re ka tswa re e ja le bone mo tafoleng, ga go na kagiso ka letsatsi lepe.

Lengwe la malatsi le tlaa tla mo e leng gore re le lefatshe re tlaa tshwanelwa ke gore re bo re ka ema ka dinao ra sireletsa tšhaba ya rona.

Potso ke gore, a Masole a rona a ya go sireletsa lefatshe ka diatla?

A ba ya go sireletsa lefatshe la rona ka dikorokoro tse tsa difofane tse?
Re tshwanetse rraetsho ra bona gore re dira go tlala ka diatla go leka gore tšhaba ya lefatshe la Botswana mo isagong re bo re dumela gore ke tšhaba e e sireletsegileng, mme tse tsotlhe rraetsho re di bona mo go wena.

Re santse re bona rraetsho batho ba ba sa amogeleng sepe ba ikgweetsa, dikoloi fa di thula motho is surcharged, a diga koloi ka phoso kana o leleka serukutlhi motho is surcharged.

Fa a tswa foo go tsena disciplinary hearing.


Re kopa gore le lebalebe the Act ya sepodise sentle, gore a mme re lebile seemo sa gompieno, ba safe go le kae.
Re tshwanetse ra tla ka tsela e e leng gore le mapodise fa ba na le lona jaana fa ba dira tiro e e ntseng jaana ka nngwe tsela ba sireletsegile, sepe se se diragalang…ga ke reye gore ba nne boatla, ba nne botlhaswa mo dikoloing tsa Puso, mme fela akanya fela gore o ka dira kotsi ka phoso o lelekile legodu, kana sepe fela, go bo gotwe you are being surcharged, o tseelwa licence.

O tshwanetse gore o duele dikoloi tsa CTO.


A dikoloi tsa CTO di tshwane le tsa dikhansele di duelelwe insurance, gore bana ba batho ba kgone go itse gore ba bereka ba phuthologile, ga ba dire tiro epe ka letshogo Mr Minister.

Rraetsho re ne re re ema ka dinao o bone gore kampa ya Tsabong ya sesole e e saleng e tswa mo NDP 10 gompieno re mo go NDP 11 e ntse e mo teng.

Fa e sale e beelwa metlaagana fale, e santse e le metlaagana le jaanong.
Fa e sale ba beelwa metlaagana fale, e santse e le metlaagana le jaanong, ke a kopa Tona gore a re leke rraetsho go bona gore re agela bana ba rona matlo.

Re tlhabolole jaaka e ne e le maikaelelo a gore re bo re segile setsha se se kana ka sa BDF mo Tsabong, re tsile gore aga kampa e e tlhabologileng ya sesole mo kgaolong e e ka kwano.

Ke a go leboga rraetsho.

MR CHAIRPERSON: Thank you Honourable Member for Kgalagadi South.

Now we are going to have Honourable Kenny Kineotiro Kapinga.

Rraagwe Neo.
Rraagwe Neo.

MR KAPINGA (OKAVANGO): Thank you Mr Chairperson.

Leina leo le bidiwa gotwe Kiniotiro.

34 Hansard No 205Tuesday 22nd March, 2022ORGANISATION 2500 – MINISTRY OF DEFENCE, JUSTICE AND SECURITYCommittee of Supply (Resumed Debate) MR CHAIRPERSON: Thank you.

MR KAPINGA: Ke a leboga Mr Chairperson.

Ke tsaya the floor ya Parliament ke le Modulasetilo wa komiti e lebaganeng ministry o, o re buang ka one gompieno.
Ke batla go simolola fela ke bua gore madi a a kopilweng ke Minister rraetsho, re a eme nokeng kwa komiting ya rona, re lebeletse bokete jwa tiro e e lebaganeng le lephata le la ga Honourable Minister Mmusi.

Kana ba lebagane le boatlhodi, that is the Judiciary, the legal profession ka bophara jwa yone, bo Attorney General’s Chambers, lawyers tsa ga Goromente le tse di ikemetseng through the Law Society.
Ba lebagane le sepodise, sesole, badisa magolegwa; prisons service, the receiver le a mangwe maphata a ke ka se keng ke a bale Mr Chairperson.

Jaanong ga go belaesege gore tiro ya bone ke e e bokete fela thata, ke e tona.

Fa ke simolola Mr Chairperson, I want to put it on record mme e bile kgang e ga ke e bue casually, ga se gore I did not reflect mo go yone very deeply.
Ke e akantse, ke e sekasekile mme e bile le mo komiting ya rona re e buile Mr Chairperson, gore polao ya batho e e diragetseng maloba kwa Phase 2, ga re solofele e tlaa tlhola e diragala gape.

...(Inaudible)… ba re neng re le teng.

MR CHAIRPERSON: Honourable Kapinga, did we lose you?

MR KAPINGA: Ee rra.

MR CHAIRPERSON: Please go ahead Honourable Member.


MR KAPINGA: Ke ne ke re ka fa tshekatshekong ya rona le ba bangwe mo komiting, re ne re re re batla go e baya on record gore polao ya batho e e diragetseng maloba kwa Phase 2 Mr Chairperson, e se ka ya tlhola e boelela gape fa mabaka a sa letlelele gore go diragale jalo.

Ka fa tebong ya rona, selo seo e ne e le kganyaolo ya batho, re lebile gore Mr Chairperson, sepodise ga se a direlelwa go bolaya mmelaelwa.
Sepodise mokgwa wa sone se direletswe gore se tshware mmelaelwa se mo ise fa pele ga lekgotla, to arrest and bring offenders to justice.

Mo go bolaiwang batho ba le 10 mo letsatsing le le lengwefela Mr Chairperson, moo ga re dumalane le gone.

Ke tiro e e hapogileng e sepodise se e direletsweng.

We want to put that on record Mr Chairperson.

Fa ke tswelela jaanong, dikgang re di buile di le dintsi Mr Chairperson, kwa komiting ya rona.
Sengwe se Tona a tlhokang gore a tswe a papametse fa pele ga setšhaba re lebile ka fa borukutlhi bo golang ka teng mo lefatsheng la Botswana, ke gore a bolelele setšhaba sa Botswana gore mo dingwageng tse pedi, tse tharo tse di tlang, o tlaabo a okeditse mapodise ka palo e e kae.

Honourable Brooks o ntse a ngongorega gore go na le police station e e leng gore is manned by Special Constables fela.
Prime Minister wa United Kingdom (UK) e rile a tsena mo tirong, a bua gore he is going to put 20 000 police officers on to the streets of the UK.

Jaanong ke batla gore Minister le ene a tswe a papametse gore mo dingwageng tse pedi tse tharo tse di latelang, how many police officers can we expect go tsena mo seterateng go oketsa visibility ya mapodise and to make people secure mo mebileng le mo malwapeng a bone.

Se sengwe se re buileng ka sone Mr Chairperson, ke boikarabelo jwa ofisi ya ga Tona.
Re buile ka dilo tse re di biditseng re re the high level priorities or programmes, ra tsaya sekai sa sepodise gore e le Ministry wa Defence, Justice and Security mo ngwageng o, ba laetse sepodise gore thatathata ba tlhome matlho a bone mo go eng, mme e bile ba dire eng fa ba tlhomile matlho a bone mo selong seo.
Fa re lebile borukutlhi ka fa bo golang ka teng, ka fa bo diragalang ka teng mo ditoropong le kwa dikgaolong jaaka kwa merakeng jwa go utswiwa ga dikgomo, what instructions, priorities or overall guiding principles has the ministry given to the police gore mo ngwageng o re solofela gore le dire tse di latelang?

The same applies to the BDF gore what are the high level priorities tsa ministry in relation to our defence sector fela jalo, go ama le bone ba Administration of Justice.
Mo mafatsheng a mangwe Mr Chairperson, they published mo go bidiwang gotwe the Victim’s Bill of Right, e le initiative e e tswang from a Ministry of Justice, either headed by the Attorney General or a Minister, defining gore re eletsa gore mo ngwageng o, re fe ba ba tlhokofaditsweng ke dirukutlhi ditshwanelo tse di latelang.

Re batla go bona dilo tse di tswela kwa ntle Mr Chairperson.

Se sengwe se re buileng ka sone ke gore re solofela gore ba sesole sa Botswana, ba tlaa boa leng kwa Mozambique?
Ke potso e re e boditseng when we were briefed ke Ramasole maabane.

Ke potso e re e boditseng when we were briefed ke Permanent Secretary (PS) on behalf of the Minister gompieno.
Re dumela gore Goromente o na le boikarabelo e bile o a patelesega gore a tlhalosetse setšhaba gore tsholofelo ke gore masole a a isitsweng kwa Mozambique, a tlaa boa leng ka gore ga go ka ke ga didimala fela o kare ga go itsewe gore a se ba se e tseng kwa Mozambique se a kgonagala kana ga se 35 Hansard No 205Tuesday 22nd March, 2022ORGANISATION 2500 – MINISTRY OF DEFENCE, JUSTICE AND SECURITYCommittee of Supply (Resumed Debate) kgonagale.
Mo mafatsheng a mangwe Mr Chairperson, Minister o bolelela Palamente gore withdrawal date ke dikana fa a setse a le mo seemong sa go dira jalo.

Se sengwe se re buileng ka sone Mr Chairperson, ke gore tota rona ba bangwe re dumela gore fa re lebile matshosetsi kgatlhanong le lefatshe le la Botswana, re lebelela gore borukutlhi is a growing threat mo lefatsheng la rona.
E ama pabalesego ya motho mongwe le mongwe mme when the citizen is not safe, there is no way o kareng lefatshe ke la kagiso, le sireletsegile le fa o ka nna le masole a le kae.

A citizen needs to be safe on the streets and in their homes.

Jaanong selo seo fa re lemoga gore borukutlhi ke jone jo bo tshwenyang thata, go kgaoganngwa ga madi go tshwanetse go supa gore indeed Goromente o a lemoga gore borukutlhi ke jone matshosetsi a matona.
What we are asking for is equity, go tshwanetse ga supagala gore madi a kgaoganngwa sentle ka tekatekanyo go lebilwe seemo ka boammaaruri se se fa pele ga rona, especially fa gare ga sesole, sepodise le bone badisa magolegwa.

Kgang e nngwe e re buile ka yone Mr Chairperson, ke e masole ba ntshiwang gotwe ba ya go thusa mapodise.

Ke le moemedi wa Okavango ka re fa o bona go nna go ntshiwa masole gotwe tsamayang le ye go thusa mapodise, go supagala gore there is an imbalance in resources.
Tumelo ya me ke gore sepodise se tshwanetse go godisiwa, se kgone go ikemela ka nosi.

Sa bobedi; fa o ntsha masole o re ba ye go thusa mapodise, o bo o neela lesole tlhobolo, lepodise le bo le tsamaya le itshopere ba tsena mo mebileng, how do you justify that?

Fa e le gore go na le matshosetsi a a pateletsang gore masole ba tswe ba tsene mo mebileng ka ditlhobolo, mapodise bone ke eng ba sa neelwe ditlhobolo le bone ka gore ba di rutetswe e bile ba na le tsone?
It takes me back to incident ya Phase 2, mapodise ba na le what is called a special weapons and tactic stink, ba na le hostage negotiators, they are the ones who should have been in charge of that incident ya kwa Phase 2.

Mo dikgannyeng re bolelelwa gore the reaction force that was attending at Phase 2, e ne e tswa kwa lephateng le sele.

Golo moo go supa gore gongwe go na le lenyatso la gore mapodise ga ba na bokgoni jo bo tlhokafalang.
Ke sone se e reng go na le a weapons incident go bo go ya a Special Weapons And Tactics (SWAT) Team e e tswang go sele.

Ke sone se e reng fa go tlhokafala gore batho ba tsene ka ditlhobolo mo diseterateng to 36 patrol, mapodise bone ba bo ba sa neelwe ditlhobolo, go neelwa masole.

Fa e le gore masole ka boammaaruri they reinforce mapodise, a botlhe ba tsamaye ba tshotse ditlhobolo go supa gore this is a reinforcement Mr Chairperson.
Fa ke digela, The Receiver is a very important office ka gore ntwa e kgolo or the biggest against organised crime against white collar crime ke confiscation kana go gapela motho maungo a borukutlhi jo a bo dirileng.

Go botlhoko thata go na le go mo isa kwa toronkong fela le sa gapa tse a di phuthileng ka maduo a borukutlhi jwa gagwe.

Ke nako Mr Chairperson, fela e e nkgoreleditseng.

Ke ne ke santse ke na le tse dintsi tse ke ka di buang tse di amang pabalesego le itshireletso mo lefatsheng la Botswana.
Ke a leboga Mr Chairperson, ba bangwe ba tlaa ntlatsa.

Honourable Minister MR CHAIRPERSON: Thank you Honourable for Kapinga.

Presidential Affairs, Governance Public Administration, Honourable Member for Molepolole South; Rraagwe Rati.

responsible and FOR PRESIDENTIAL MINISTER AFFAIRS, GOVERNANCE AND PUBLIC ADMINISTRATION (MR MORWAENG): Ke a leboga Modulasetilo e bile ke ikokobetse fa pele ga gago.
Lephata le ke lengwe la maphata a a botlhokwa thata, le mororo maphata otlhe a le botlhokwa, mme kana lefatshe fa itshireletso ya lone e le kwa tlase, fa itshireletso e seyo, kagiso, thitibalo le ledula le re nang le lone mo Botswana, le ka nna mo mathateng.
Ke dingwe tsa tse di tshwanetseng go sirelediwa ka gore re tswa kgakala re tshela ka kagiso, mme kagiso e e tshwanetse go bolokwa; e sirelediwe, mme lephata le, ke lengwe le fa go tla mo tshireletsong ya lefatshe la rona, pabalesego ya batho gore batho ba tshele ba sa kgorelediwe, ba babalesegile kwa malwapeng, mo mebileng le gongwe le gongwe, lephata le le botlhokwa.

Ka tsela eo, ke ema nokeng kopo ya ga Motlotlegi Rre Mmusi gore lephata le le fiwe madi le itebanye le itshireletso ya lefatshe le.
Re tshwanetse go lemoga gore re mo nakong e e bokete.

Re mo nakong e e leng gore jaaka bakaulengwe ba ntse ba bua, go tlaabo go supega gore borukutlhi bo ile kwa godimo, a go dirweng sengwe.

Fa go dirwa sengwe nnyaa, se direng sengwe.

Ga ke tlhaloganye.

Lefatshe gompieno ka bophara, go a supega gore dirukutlhi di na le go ipha maatla, mme re na le tsholofelo, Batswana ba na le tsholofelo mo lephateng la ga Rre Mmusi gore e nne lone le le re sireletsang.
Madi fa a ne a le teng, Hansard No 205Tuesday 22nd March, 2022ORGANISATION 2500 – MINISTRY OF DEFENCE, JUSTICE AND SECURITYCommittee of Supply (Resumed Debate) lephata le le ka bo le neelwa madi a mantsi gore le kgone gore motsana mongwe le mongwe mo Botswana, re bo re na le ba sepodise le ba itshireletso ba ba re sireletsang go boloka matshelo a Batswana gore ba sireletsege, mme mathata fela ke one madi gore a bo a seyo.
Sekai, go na le metse e mentsi jaaka Rre Brooks a ntse a bua, e o fitlhelang go sena police stations tse di siameng jaaka kwa Molepolole o itse Motlotlegi Rre Mmusi, gore re le ba Molepolole, tota re eletsa gore police station ya rona e kgologolo e bile e nnye, mapodise one a teng le mororo a le palo e kwa tlase, mme ba fetile ka palo police station e e foo.
E bile police station ya rona ya Molepolole, Rre Mmusi, jaaka ke a tle ke bue, re le file Lefatshe, 16 hectares, gore fa madi a bonetse, ke kopa gore police station ya rona ya Molepolole, e nne nngwe ya police stations tse di ka agiwang ka bofefo.

Mapodise a rona a Molepolole a a lekang ka fa a lekang ka teng, ba kgone gore ba bone fa ba direlang teng, le matlo a bone a boroko a kgone gore a bonale.
Ba a leka rra ka fa ba lekang ka teng, mme mathata jaaka ke bua ke gore police station ele tota re le Bakwena, re go file lefatshe, 16 hectares gore o age police station, fa godimo ga moo, o age le matlo a boroko.

Gone mo rra, go ka re thusa ka borukutlhi ke jo bo ile kwa godimo.
Borukutlhi ke jo bo ya kwa godimo letsatsi le letsatsi jo bo dirwang fa gongwe ke bana ba rona mo gae, fa gongwe ke bana ba ba tswang kwa ntle ga lefatshe le, mme re re ka tsweetswee Rre Mmusi, tsaya police station ya Molepolole tsia thata.

Bakwena ba sa le ba e emetse ka gore station sa Molepolole ga se tlhokomele Molepolole fela, se tlhokomela le metse e e bapileng le Molepolole.

Ka tsela eo, a re leke gore madi fa a bonetse, police station e, e nne nngwe ya tse di agiwang.
Ke a itse gore o solofeditse, e bile o eletsa jalo tota mathata ke madi ka fa o tlhalositseng ka teng.

Ke sone se ke reng fa a bonalang teng, a police station ya Molepolole, rra e nne nngwe ya police stations tsa ntlha tse di tlaa agiwang.

Bodiredi jwa rona jwa sepodise, dikgolegelo le sesole, bana ba ke batho ba ba itlhaopetseng go direla lefatshe le ka manontlhotlho.
Rre Mmusi, re tshwanetse go ba rolelela hutshe bogolo jang mo malatsing a gompieno a borukutlhi bo ileng kwa godimo gore tshireletso ya le pabalesego tsa bone, re di eletlhoko.

Ke a dumela, ga e re ba tsamaya jaaka re re borukutlhi bo ile magoletsa.

Ga o tsamaye o tshotse dithunya, dithunya ke raya ditshese or flowers.

Ga o tsamaye o tshotse ditshese kwa dirukutlhing jaaka gotwe bangwe ba re nnyaa, re tsamaye fela re fete re botse dirukutlhi gore ao!

bo papa le ne le dira eng?

Nnyaa, ga go dirwe jalo.


Fa o tsena kwa serukutlhing se tshotse ditlhobolo tsa kgotla- more- o-itirise, go bo gotwe ba rona fa ba tsena kwa, ba bo ba feta ba ba leletsa dipina ba a ja monate, ba tshega le bone.

Nnyaa, o ka bua jalo fa o se mo seemong sone seo, mme fa o kile wa rakana le borukutlhi wa bona ka fa dirukutlhi di tsayang Batswana ka teng, ka fa dirukutlhi di dirang batho ka teng, ga o ka ke wa rialo wa re dirukutlhi e re fa di tsamaya mo tseleng, di bo di tsamaya di phoraphoretsa batho.
Nnyaa, mapodise a tshwanetse a eme ka dinao ba dire tiro ya bone.

Re le Batswana, re eme mapodise, masole le badiri botlhe ba itshireletso nokeng gore ba sireletse, ba leke ka fa ba lekang ka teng, gore disenyi di kgone go itse gore go na le sepodise mo lefatsheng la rona, gore bosenyi bo ye kwa tlase.

Rra ka ga ke batle go ya lololo, boroko jwa mapodise generally, e seng fela kwa Molepolole, lefatshe lotlhe, boroko jwa mapodise Rre Mmusi fa madi a bonetse, bo tokafadiwe.
Pabalesego ya bone jaaka ke ne ke bua, gongwe le gongwe e tokafadiwe.

Ba prisons le ba sesole jaaka ke bua ke re botlhe ba ke batho jaaka re bua ba ba nang le families jalojalo, ba e leng gore go nna go ntle fa e re kwa ba nnang teng, ba bo ba nna mo seemong se se babalesegileng e bile se le conducive gore ba kgone go re direla tiro ka botlalo.

Re a leboga fa re bona ba sepodise le ba sesole ba na le tirisano, inter-agency cooperation.
Sone se re a se tlhoka, e bile re tshwanetse re se rotloetse Rre Mmusi.

Ga re nyatse gore re bone ba sesole sa rona le ba sepodise ba bereka mmogo, ba thusanya mo mekgwatlheng ya rona.

Ke bana ba Batswana, mme ba direla Puso botlhe, ba leka go babalela lefatshe la rona.

Ke a dumela gape gore ba rona ba sesole, sepodise le ba prisons ba ba setseng ba tlogetse mo ditirong tsone tse di kanakana which are challenging, gore le bone Rre Mmusi, re ba ele tlhoko gore ba ka thusega jang go ya pele.
Gape re ele tlhoko gore, fa motho a tlogela sesole, re etle re bone ba bangwe fa ba sena go tlogela sesole re sa itse gore re tsamaisa (manage) jang retirement ya rona, ka gore ba bangwe ba na le go ipuela fela fa ba tswa mo ditirong tse, mo rona re tsayang e le ditiro tse di rileng tsa pitso, it is a calling go nna lesole.
O fitlhele go gakgamatsa e re bangwe ba bone ba tswa kwa ba sena go fetsa kwa ditirong tse, ba bo ba na le go ipuelapuela fela o kare motho o lebetse gore tota tiro ya gagwe le fa a sa tlhole a le at the barracks, mme maikarabelo a gagwe mo setšhabeng ke a a faphegileng e bile a botlhokwa.

Ke a dumela gore le fa ba dule koo Rre Mmusi, nnang le buisana le bone le ba thusa ka fa le ka ba thusang ka teng.
37 Hansard No 205Tuesday 22nd March, 2022ORGANISATION 2500 – MINISTRY OF DEFENCE, JUSTICE AND SECURITYCommittee of Supply (Resumed Debate) Gompieno ke ne ke re ke itebaganye fela le ba maphata a prisons, sesole le sepodise, a re ba thuse Rre Mmusi bogolo jang ba Molepolole.

Ba re bonang gore batlogolo ba ga Rre Hikuama ba a tle ba ye kwa Molepolole, fa ba tsena koo ba feta ba bolaana teng koo, bana ba rona.
Sepodise sa rona sa Molepolole se na le tiro e ntsi, a re oketseng sepodise kwa Molepolole, ditirelo, ditlamelo le police station ya Molepolole, re kgone go thusa setšhaba sa rona sentle Rre Hikuama.

Ke a leboga.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Baherero ga se batho ba dipolaano, o re botse rona ba re…(Inaudible)… MINISTER OF YOUTH EMPOWERMENT, SPORT AND CULTURE DEVELOPMENT (MR RAKGARE): Mr Chairperson, ke lebogela sebaka se o se mphileng.
Ke supe jaana gore, bodirelapuso jotlhe fela mo lefatsheng la rona bo botlhokwa, fela jaaka re itse gore bo thaegile jang.

Mebuso yotlhe ka go farologana e ikaegile ka bodirelapuso, gore ditirelo tse Goromente a a bong a na le tsone a di ise kwa setšhabeng, di isiwa ke bodirelapuso.
Ka jalo Mr Chairperson, go botlhokwa thata gore Goromente jaaka a ntse a dira, a tswelele ka go lemoga botlhokwa jo re bo bonang mo badirelapusong, gammogo le karolo e tona e bodirelapuso bo e tshamekang mo go ageng lefatshe la Botswana.

Ke sa batle go ntsha ba bangwe ka loso legolo, Honourable Mmusi masole, mapodise le warders kana ba ba tlhokomelang ba ba a bong ba dirile molato ba agiwa sesha, ke batho ba ba botlhokwa fela thata mo bodirelapusong jwa rona fela jaaka ba bangwe.
Go botlhokwa thata Honourable Minister Mmusi gore, re tswelele re sekaseka ditsela tsa gore re nonotsha jang bagarona ba sesole, mapodise le prisons services gore ba kgone go dira tiro ya bone ka manontlhotlho.

Ke bua se Honourable Minister ka gore, batho ba re buang ka ga bone ba ke batho ba mo ditirong, ba dira tiro, mme fa go tla mo go ikueleng, unlike other civil servants, bone ga ba na mo gotweng unions.
Ga ba kgone gore ba ka iphutha ba nna le dingongora, mme ba di supa ka ditsela tse di farologaneng jaaka bodirelapuso jo bongwe.

Jalo he, go botlhokwa thata gore, re lebelele badirelapuso ba e le ba ba faphegileng mo setšhabeng, ba re tshwanetseng go ba tshwara jaaka digalase re ba tlhokomele.

Masole, mapodise le batlhokomela badiramelato go botlhokwatlhokwa go feta botlhokwa gore re ba fe tlhokomelo e e kwa godimo, re ba tshware sentle ka gore ba dira tiro e e faphegileng.
Fela jaaka Motlotlegi Tona a ntse a supa ka BDF, gore e ntse e dira eng, e tsweletse ka go dira eng.

E thusa ba sepodise, e sireletsa Very Important Persons (VIPs) ba ba mo lefatsheng le ba ba a bong ba tsile kwano e le baeng.

Ba ne ba thusa le ka nako ya segajaja sa COVID, le mo nakong ya gompieno ba ntse ba tsweletse ka go thusa.
O ne o bua Honourable Minister ka Southern African Development Community Mission in Mozambique (SAMIM), gore masole a rona ba tshameka karolo e tona thata gore go nne le thitibalo kwa lefatsheng la Mozambique.

Kana gatwe matlo go sha mabapi, ke sone se rona Batswana re itsegeng ka tsone, ke ngwao ya rona.
Re ne ra itumela thata fa Motlotlegi Tautona, boeteledipele jwa lefatshe la rona le wena Motlotlegi Tona le tsaya tshwetso ya gore morago ga go buisana le ba sesole, re ya go nna le bagarona ba ba yang Mozambique go ya go thusa gore go nne le thitibalo.

Tse tsotlhe re a di lebogela Motlotlegi Tona.

Re tshwanetse re sekaseke gape ka fa ba tshelang ka teng.

Conditions of service tsa mapodise le masole Tona, di tshwanetse di sekasekiwe re bone gore re ka dira jang gore ba thusiwe.
Ke sone se ke buang fa ke eme nokeng kopo ya gago.

Ke e ema nokeng jaana, ke gata fa ba bangwe ba gatileng teng gore, a tota mme go ne go ka se ke go kgonagale gore go batliwe madi o okelediwe.

Fa o okeleditswe, sengwe se re ka se kopang gore o se dire Honourable Mmusi ke gore, o sekaseke dituelo tsa masole le mapodise gape le boroko jwa bone fa ba nnang teng.
Gore jaaka re itse gore ba nna fa go sa nnang sentle teng, or go ka tswa go le sentle, mme ba nna foo ba le mmalwa sharing, e le batsadi, ba nyetse, ba nyetswe, jaanong ba kgoromane golo go le gongwefela.

Golo mo Motlotlegi Tona, go botlhokwa thata gore re go lebelele gore batho ba rona ba re itseng sentle gore fa go na le batho ba ba tlaa go neelang service e o ka e eletsang e o e meletsang mathe mo lefatsheng la Botswana, ke mapodise, masole gammogo le ba prison services.
Ke dumela gore go botlhokwa thata Honourable Minister, gore dikgang tse re di lebelele.

Re ne ra bona mo nakong e e fetileng… ga e yo Honourable Nkawana, ka bonako please.

MR NKAWANA: Elucidation.

Tanki, through you Mr Chairperson.

Ke ne ke re e bile mo go ba ba filweng matlo outside the barracks kgotsa mo matlong a sepodise totatota, gongwe ba nna mo matlong a Botswana Housing Corporation (BHC), a ko tlhe le bone ba letlelelwe go reka, ka gore le bone ke public servants.
Ke fete ka eo gore, o e gatelele Tona.

38 Hansard No 205Tuesday 22nd March, 2022ORGANISATION 2500 – MINISTRY OF DEFENCE, JUSTICE AND SECURITYCommittee of Supply (Resumed Debate) MR RAKGARE: Ke boammaaruri Honourable Nkawana.

Re kgaogana ka diphathi mme bontsi jwa nako o nna o bua go na le tlhotlhelesego ya mowa o o boitshepo mo go wena.

Ke ka fa ke go itseng ka teng, go monate thata go utlwa o bua jalo.
Ke kgakololo kana kakgelo e ntle, e re eletsang gore moo gongwe Motlotlegi Tona a nne a tsweletse a ntse a lebeletse ntlha eo.

Se ke neng ke batla go se supa ke gore Honourable Mmusi, re na le bana mo metshamekong le tsa bodiragatsi, ba gongwe ba a bong ba sa bolo go itshupa gore ba na le talente e e seng kana ka sepe, go tsweng kwa dikoleng tse di kgolwane.

Re buile nna le wena kwa bothokong, mme ke batla go bua kgang e mo Palamenteng gore, go tlaa re re kopane re bone gore bana ba re ba kopanela jang.
Go na le ba bone ba golang ba rata sesole le sepodise, ba batla go ipona ba le karolo ya metshameko kana bodiragatsi kwa sepodiseng, sesoleng, le kwa go tse ke ntseng ke di bua.

Jalo he, go botlhokwa thata gore kgang e Honourable Minister, re e lebelele ka gore ba bangwe o fitlhela ba dira bontle for ditlhopha tsa rona tsa setšhaba, mme fa ba tswa foo jaanong ba kaila fela mo mekgwatlheng kana ba mo ditlhopheng tse gongwe dituelo di seng kalokalo, go bo go raya gore le fitness level ya bone e ya kwa tlase.
Back in the days Motlotlegi Tona, re ne re na le batshameki ba ba neng ba tshamekela BDF Cats, Rugby teams tsa sesole, Police 11 le BDF 11.

Mokatisi wa pele wa Zebras Rre Stanley Tshoswane, o fetile kwa sesoleng e le lesole a tshameka kgwele ya dinao, the late David Bright e ne e le mokatisi kwa Mogoditshane Fighters, a tsere Masego Ntshingane, Barney Marman, ke ka ba balolola letsatsi le ka phirima.
Bao fa o lebelela discipline ya bone mo setšhabeng, ke batho ba o bonang gore ba rutilwe discipline ba santse ba le kwa sesoleng.

Jaanong go botlhokwa thata gore fa re tswelela re aga lefatshe la rona, re aga bana ba rona, re bone sesole, sepodise le Prisons ba tshameka karolo e tona mo go tsa metshameko le bodiragatsi.

Re ba akaretse, re nne le quota ya gore re ba tsenya ka tsela e e ntseng jang.

Ga ke bone nako Mr Chairperson, e tlaa lala e ntshiile.
Ke batla go digela ka kgang ke e… MR CHAIRPERSON: One minute.

MR RAKGARE: …ke batla go digela ka kgang ya police posts tsa Mogoditshane.

Re buile le Tona kwa bothokong.

Ke digela ka kgang e ke neng ke e bua ya go sekaseka dituelo Motlotlegi Tona.

Ba ba neng ba bua dipuo ba kganetso, ba kgala thulaganyo ya Ntlole, ba re ba itseng, ba ba neng ba bua fa go tsilwe go kopiwa madi gore Tautona a okeletse batho ba Modimo madi ka ba ne ba sotlega.

Ba na le lebaka ba sotlega mme Tautona o ba namotse.
Gone moo Motlotlegi Tona, o se ka wa go reetsa.

Ba bangwe ba re nang le bone mo Palamenteng ba ipaya o kare ba rata Batswana, mme go tlhamaletse gore ke go bua fela.

Fa batho ba okelediwa madi, ba simolola go kuela kwa godimo.

Gone moo o kare go molato.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Nnyaa, o se ka wa bua tshele.

MR RAKGARE: Ga se tshele ke boammaaruri.

O mongwe wa ba ba neng ba re Ntlole ga a siama.

Wena le ba bangwe ba ba neng ba bua jalo.

Motlotlegi Tona, tswelela o leke ba Finance.


O bue le boeteledipele, re bone batho ba rona ba tshela matshelo a a botoka.

Re batla go bona masole, mapodise le Prisons ba tshela sentle go feta ka fa ba tshelang ka teng.

Ka mafoko a a ntseng jalo, ke leboga fela thata Motlotlegi Modulasetilo, gammogo le wena Tona.

Madi ke ao, re a go a rebolela.

Ke a leboga.

MR CHAIRPERSON: Thank you Honourable Minister, Motlotlegi Mopalamente wa Mogoditshane.
Jaanong go tlaa bua Motlotlegi Mopalamente wa Serowe Borwa, Tshetlhong le Mogatsapoo di le mo teng.

MR LESEDI: Mr Chairperson, mma ke go leboge.

Ke kopilwe ke Motlotlegi Keorapetse, go na le mabaka mangwe a a mo pitlaganyang gore a tsene, ke tlaa tla ke tsena fa a tsenang teng.

Ke a leboga Rra Nkamo.

MR KEORAPETSE (SELEBI PHIKWE WEST): Ke a leboga Mr Chairperson.
Mr Chairperson, mma ke baakanye ka pela e e ntseng e buiwa ke Motlotlegi Rakgare gore Ntlole yo fa a tla nna teng, ke fa re tsositse tlhatlharuane mo Palamenteng re le Mapalamente a kganetso.

Re re, fa gare ga rank ya Major le Lieutenant Colonel, go na le gap gone foo.

Fa gare ga rank ya Colonel le Brigadier go na le gap gone foo.

Re bo re re, a scales tse di tswalwe.

Fa di sena go nna di tswalwa, go bo go raya gore mongwe le mongwe o tlaabo a tlolela kwa godimo.

Ke ka fa a tlileng ka teng.


You must get your facts correct.

Mr Chairperson, sa ntlha ke simolole ka gore mafoko a a neng a buiwa ke Honourable Kapinga e le Chair wa Komiti ya Foreign Affairs, Defence, Justice and Security, I associate myself le one totally.
Sa bobedi, fa o tsaya dikgwetlho tse mapodise ba lebaganeng le tsone mo Botswana, ke tlaa fa dikai tsa kwa Phikwe, mme ke a itse gore di aname le lefatshe la 39 Hansard No 205Tuesday 22nd March, 2022ORGANISATION 2500 – MINISTRY OF DEFENCE, JUSTICE AND SECURITYCommittee of Supply (Resumed Debate) Botswana ka bophara.

Santlha Mr Chairperson, streets tsa rona mo Phikwe di lefifi.

Di lefifi ka mabaka a gore dikhansele ga di na madi a a lekaneng to maintain them.

So, Phikwe o lefifi.


Jaanong gone mo go dira tiro ya mapodise bokete.

Dirukutlhi di kgona go tika mapodise ka mantswe le batho ba clusters mo lefifing ba sa ba bone.

Jaanong molemo e ka nna gore councils should be empowered, e nne executive councils, ba itirele madi, ba fiwe madi a a lekaneng a to maintain streetlights.

Manpower; kwa Phikwe fa ke bua le wena jaana, go na le mapodise ba le bantsi who were transferred.

Fa o lebelela replacement rate, e kwa tlase.


Mo mapodiseng a le 20 a a tsamaileng, o fitlhela e le gore three have been replaced.

Fa ke bua le wena jaana, Inspectors ba le six ba tsamaile, go na le a le mongwefela kwa Phikwe.

Dikgang tse di teng mo police stations tse dingwe ka go farologana.

So, tlhokomela kgang ya manpower Honourable Minister.

Mr Chairperson, kgang ya office furniture e ngomola pelo mo police stations ka go farologana.

Mme ya Phikwe ke dumela gore e tshwanetse e bo e le worse.
Jaanong batho ba prefer go thusiwa ba eme ka dinao go na le go nna mo ditilong tse di foo ka gore di ka ba golafatsa.

Le one mapodise ga go na fa a nnang teng.

Fa o kile wa lebelela movies tsa maNigeria, wa bona ditafole tse di mo police stations tsa gone kwa, ke mathata a a gakgamatsang fela, di tshwana le tsa rona tse di kwa Selebi Phikwe.

Mr Chairperson, uniform; mapodise a rona a apara uniform e kgologolo, e e thuntseng, e e makgasa.

Kwa Phikwe go tlaabo gotwe it is ordered kwa Francistown.
Karabo e nna e le nngwefela fela, out of stock, out of stock.

Tlhokomela dilo tseo ka gore di diga boleng le seriti sa sepodise.

Dikoloi; we are not complaining thata ka dikoloi kwa Phikwe.

Mathata ke gore fa di ya kwa CTO di ela ruri.

Ba tlaabo ba re, madi, budget, ba bua dilo tse di ntseng jalo Mr Chairperson.

Conditions of service; a go lekweng gore go bonwe gore go baakanngwa mabaka a pereko a mapodise.
Kgang ya accommodation kwa Phikwe ka gore gape mapodise ba santse ba tsamaile ba le bantsi, ga e kalokalo, mme le yone e tshwanetse e tlhokomelwe thata.

Conditions of service; a re eleng tlhoko allowances tse mapodise ba di tsayang.

Re ele tlhoko le dituelo tsa bone.

Go na le dilo di le dintsi tse di ka baakanngwang.


Mo go ya go tshwara; Mr Chairperson, golo mo gongwe mo go senyang mapodise leina le boleng jwa bone go feta, ke go itshunya nko mo mererong e e sa lebanang Directorate of Intelligence and Security (DIS).

DIS maabane jaana e ne e santse e tshwara Honourable Tshekedi Khama, morwarraagwe Anthony Khama le mohumagadi wa gagwe e bong Thea Khama.

O ipotsa gore mapodise ba ne ba le kae fa e le gore batho ba ba dirile molato mongwe o o leng teng.
Gape o ele tlhoko trend ya teng Modulasetilo.

DIS all the time, ba kile ba tshwara Comrade Resego Kgosidintsi, ba mo tseetse phone, le letsatsi leno phone ya teng ga e ise e boe.

Ba kile ba tshwara babegadikgang ba pampiri ya WeekendPost, ba setse story se sengwe morago.

Maloba ba kile ba tshwara maloba ba Botswana Patriotic Front (BPF).

Mme yo mongwe wa BPF o ne a tshwarwa, le nkgakolole leina la gagwe Honourable Lesedi.

O ne a tshwarwa... HONOURABLE MEMBER: Le Ratsie.


MR KEORAPETSE: Ba tshwara Ratsie le ene ba tsere phone ya gagwe, e santse e le kwa go bone.

Ba tshwere batho ba le mmalwanyana.

Bontsi jwa batho ba ba tshwarwang ke DIS, ga ba nke ba ya kwa makgotleng a ditsheko go seka.

Batho ba ba neng ba tshwarwa ke DIS, ba ba kwa makgotleng gompieno, ke bale ba go neng gotwe ba tsuolotse molao ole wa Emergency Powers Regulations.
Ba go neng gotwe ba ne ba bua mafoko mangwe mo Facebook, ke dumela gore ke Justice Motlhabane le mongwe yo a neng a na le ene kana bangwe ba babedi ba ba neng ba na le ene.

Jaanong sone se se leswafatsa sepodise.

Ke gore DIS e kgotleletse our criminal justice system ka tsela e e gakgamatsang.

Re ne re santse re bua kwa komiting re botsa gore naare motho yo gotweng France Museveni a le le mapodise ga le na bokgoni jwa go mo itse.

Motho yo o nnang a bua dilo tse di gakgamatsang.


A bua gore Rre Tymon Katlholo, Director General wa lephata la ga Goromente, gore he is a very corrupt man.

A bua ka Secretary General wa party ya Domkrag.

A bua ka a former Judge, former Minister yo e leng gore ke Mopalamente Unity Dow.

A bua ka nna ke le Mopalamente.

A bua dilo tse di gakgamatsang tse e leng gore they border on criminal defamation, but up to now, that person ga a ise a tshwarwe.
You know why a sa tshwarwe Mr Chairperson, it is because France Museveni yo ke DIS.

Ke DIS, ga se motho.

It is a project.

It is an institution called the DIS.


That is why mapodise ba palelwa ke to solve kgang e. Jaanong ema ka dinao rraetsho, kgang 40 Hansard No 205Tuesday 22nd March, 2022ORGANISATION 2500 – MINISTRY OF DEFENCE, JUSTICE AND SECURITYCommittee of Supply (Resumed Debate) e ya cyber bullying and cybercrime, e e leng gore DIS is a perpetrator, golo moo go kgotleletse our criminal justice system ka tsela e e gakgamatsang.

A DIS e tswe mo tirong e e seng ya yone.

They must service the police ka intelligence.


Ba ba bolelele gore magodu ba kae, ba plan eng, ka nako mang, ba ya go dira jang.

Ba bo ba tsaya information e ba e isa kwa mapodiseng.

A ba tswe mo kgannyeng ya sepodise.

Mapodise ke bone law enforcement.

Ba diragatsa Penal Code le melao e mengwe, ke tiro ya sepodise, ga se ya DIS.

A ba tswe mo dikgannyeng tseo.

A Directorate on Corruption and Economic Crime (DCEC) e dire tiro ya bone e sa kgopakgopediwe ke DIS.
DIS a e tswe mo go tshwareng, e bile le gone, ke go senya lefatshe leina mo e leng gore batho ba tshwarwa fela.

Bona gore gompieno Honourable Tshekedi Khama o ne a tshwerwe le ba lelwapa la gagwe.

Up to now ga ba ise ba lebisiwe charge, le batho ba bangwe jaaka ke ne ke bua.

Mo go ya BDF, check kgang ya promotions, batho ba nna bo 10 years without promotion ba le in the ranks.

Ba golela mo ranks ba bo ba tsofalele mo go tsone.


Kgang e nngwe ke ya gore re leboga gore go bo go nnile le Defence Command Staff College mme ra re a go baakanngwe gore dikole tse dingwe jaaka Joint Technical Training School (JTTS) kwa Sir Seretse Khama Barracks (SSKB), go nna le training academy, bo Force Training Establishment gore go lekwe gore masole ba rona ba rutuntshiwe.

Se sengwe ke gore training le yone is delayed.

It is very, very slow.


E slow mo e leng gore acquisition ya academic qualifications fa o le lesole go thatanyana.

Le yone self-development e dingalo because of the nature of tiro ya masole.

Jaanong e ele tlhoko thata Honourable Minister so that morale wa masole o nne o le kwa godimo, ba kgone to self-develop themselves.

Misplacement in units is a concern e re e utlwang re le Mapalamente e le mo masoleng.
Motho o tlaabo a ithutetse Information and Communications Technology (ICT), ga a ye go bereka sepe se se amanang le ICT.

Motho o tlaabo a ithutseng gongwe Human Resources kana sepe fela, e bo e le gore jaanong o fitlhela e le gore placement ya teng… ke tlhaloganya sesole sentle gore tota fela se se botlhokwa thata ke yone tiro ya sesole.

Fa go kgonegang, let us make sure gore we properly place these people gore ba kgone go nna le career development e e siameng.
Re itumelela gore re bo re na le bomme 15 years later ba ba kgonneng to reach rank ya bo Major.

Akofa o ba ise kwa Staff College and prepare them for commanded positions, ba ye kwa ranks tsa bo Lieutenant Colonel le bo Colonel.

Re batla gore in our lifetime re kgone go bona bomme ba eteletse sesole e le Generals.
Kgang ya pension e e tsositseng moruthutha; ga go a tshwanela gore lesole e re le retire, le fa e le lone lepodise tota, e bo e le gore o amogela 20 to 30 per cent ya the last salary, e le yone pension ya gagwe ya kgwedi le kgwedi.

O tshwanetse gore bogolo a amogele 75 per cent as the minimum wa the last salary.

Jaanong ke support ba ba isitseng kgang kwa Kgotleng ya Ditsheko mme e bile ke ne ke re Goromente a reetse kgang e thata.
Operations other than war; kgang e e neng a buiwa ke Honourable Kapinga, lekang to limit patrol ya masole in the streets ka ditlhobolo.

Fa go tlhokana le ditlhobolo in the streets, arm the police ba ye to patrol the streets kana oketsa.

Go supa imbalance mo allocation of resources fa o bona gotwe masole ba ye go pata mapodise.

empower Game Rangers Anti-poaching; kwa Department ya Wildlife le mapodise mo Special Support Group (SSG) and o tsenye technology ya radar systems.

Ke a leboga Mr Chairperson.


Ke kopa date ya gore gatwe go boiwa leng kwa Mozambique le gore a re na le budget e re ka nnang koo indefinitely?

MR CHAIRPERSON: Ke a bo ke go tlogetse jaanong o simolola go ngunanguga o le kwa tlase.

Thank you Honourable Keorapetse.

OF MINISTER LOCAL ASSISTANT GOVERNMENT AND RURAL DEVELOPMENT (MR MODUKANELE): Ke a leboga Modulasetilo, Rraagwe Nkamo.
Mma ke supe fela fa di tloga gore ke ema nokeng kopo e ya ga Honourable Minister Mmusi mme ka mabaka a a latelang Mr Chairperson.

Selo santlha ke supe jalo rra gore tiro e o e dirang le bana ba gago ke e ntle thata, re a e bona e bile re a e lebogela.

Kana fa tshireletsego ya lefatshe e seyo, le yone Foreign Direct Investment (FDI) e re tlholang re bua ka yone Mr Chairperson, babeeletsi ba re ba solofelang, ba re ba ngokang, ba ka tshaba go tla mo lefatsheng la rona.
Ke re tiro ya gago rra re tshwanetse re e lebe ka bophara jo bo tlhokafalang.

Ke one mabaka ao, re go ema nokeng Honourable Minister.

Ke batla go siana le tsone Mr Chairperson ka gore di dintsinyana.
Kgang e Minister a e supileng on Paragraph 7 ya gore o mo tseleng ya go tlisa 41 Hansard No 205Tuesday 22nd March, 2022ORGANISATION 2500 – MINISTRY OF DEFENCE, JUSTICE AND SECURITYCommittee of Supply (Resumed Debate) legislation on bail, ke batla go go rotloetsa Minister gore tšhematšhema Motshweneng o leke gore e tle ka bonako jo bo tlhokafalang mo Ntlong e le kwa Khuduthamageng ya ga Tautona.

Let it go through the mill, re tle re e atleatle, re e fetise.
E a ntshwenya Mr Chairperson jaaka re tlhola re bua gore bails tse batho ba tlaa kgemethang bana ba rona e bo e re kamoso a bo a bapile le wena gone fa e bile e kete he is bragging, ke dikgang tse re tshwanetseng re di tsibogele gore di ka dirwa jang Honourable Minister.

Re bone gore re ka dira re reng.

E nngwe gape e ke batlang go e tshwaela Mr Chairperson, ke kgang e ya Legal Aid.

Kana fa re bua ka inclusivity, re bua ka dilo tse di ntseng jaana Mr Chairperson.
Minister, ema ka dinao, Legal Aid e, le fa e le teng kwa Palapye, letsatsi le lengwe re e bone mo dikgaolong di tshwana le tsa Tswapong gore di kgone go thusa bagarona ba itsholelo ya bone e leng kwa tlase, le bone ba bone justice in that regard.

E nngwe Mr Chairperson, ke bua jalo ka itshereletso, kgang e ya mapodise, tsenya leitlho kwa Maunatlala o bone gore o ka thusa jang gone fale, bogolo jang ka transport.
Kana golo fale ba siana le kgaolo ele go ya go fitlha kwa bo Moremi go feta Lesenepole, ba ya go tsena kwa merakeng ya bo Lesenepole.

E bile ka ke bua ka mapodise, ke batla go go kopa Minister ke re kgang e ya Kgomokhumo, ga ke ka ke ka kgala mathe mo ganong fa ke bua ka yone.

Ke batla go kopa e bile ke tlaa tswelela ke kopa gore a Kgomokhumo e boele mo dikgaolong tsa rona, ba thuse these Stock Theft Units re tle re bone gore barui kgomonyana e nngwefela e a nang le yone e a sireletsega.
Fa o utwla re a tle re re Domkrag kgomo ya Motswana jaana re a bo re re bua re tlhoafetse gore phathi e e tshwana fela le kgomo mo Motswaneng ka gore ke yone e fang botshelo.

Fa Motswana a se na kgomo Mr Chairperson, tota o a bo a le mo legoeleleng le go feta.

Jaanong ke re a Kgomokhumo e boele Minister, Batswana ba kgone go rua.

Gongwe dikgwedi tse pedi ba kgone go hema phefo ba sa tseelwe dipodi tsa bone mo masakeng bosigo, ba sa tseelwe dikgomo fela e kete jaanong ba a ikgantshetswa Mr Chairperson.
E yone ke batla go bua fela gore a kgaolo e le ya Lerala-Maunatlala kana Letswapo ka bophara re bone Kgomokhumo e boela teng, barui ba tle ba kgone go rua Mr Chairperson.

Lerala-Maunatlala.

It has more than 10 000 inhabitants.

That goes without saying gore o ya go fitlhela le dilo tsa go tlhoka tshireletso le bosinyi e kete di nna dintsi.
Ke a go kopa Minister, through you Mr Chairperson gore tsibogela kgang e gore gongwe ba ka thusana le ba Maunatlala Police Station gore le bone ba bo ba leba tlha e nngwe ya lentswe la Tswapong gore gongwe re ka bona jaaka ke sa tswa go bua.

Kana Lerala gape o bapile le molelwane Mr Chairperson.

Your guess is just as good as mine gore go diragala eng fale.

Ke sone se ke reng ke go kope Honourable Minister.

Ke go kopile ka kgang ya Legal Aid.


Kgang e ya Sexual Offenders Registry Act Minister le yone ke re e tsibogele.

Go botlhokwa gore Batswana ba itse gore bo benya ke bomang mo gare ga bone.

E tle re fa gongwe fa ba re ba emisa ngwana a tle a ba itse gore nnyaa yo gatwe ga a go raya a re ema foo, ke gore gaeno ke nageng, o itshireletse ka go sia.

Ke one a ke reng a re thuse.


Kgang ya BDF; Minister, ke mongwe wa ba ba batlang gore ke go akgole e bile ke go rotloetse fa re tla mo the conditions of service tsa ba BDF le mapodise.

Ke batla go go rotloetsa gore dira sengwe le sengwe.

If it takes another Ntlole, do it, you have our support.

You have our support ka gore their existence, their improved conditions of service di tsamaelana le improved situation ya security mo lefatsheng la rona Mr Chairperson.
Ga re a tshwanela gore e re e bue re tshaba gore mang o kile a re Ntlole o rileng kana ga a reng.

Re ya go tswelela re dira se se matshwanedi re le babusi ka gore ba bangwe… ke tlaa e bua fela Mr Chairperson, go motlhofo to oppose, go ganetsa, go na le yo o tsereng boikarabelo a tshwanelwa ke go bona gore dilo di a diragala mo lefatsheng le.

A ke itshireletso, a ke eng, therefore ke batla go go rotloetsa Motshweneng gore ema fela ka dinao re tlaa tswelela re na le wena mo dikgannyeng tse di ntseng jalo.
Accommodation ya the discipline forces, ke batla go tlatsa ba ba reng kgang e e botlhokwa Mr Chairperson.

Fa go kgonagalang teng e le part of the conditions of service, a re bone bana ba le bone ba nna mo matlong ba na le families tsa bone.

Go thata, fa madi a ne a dirwa motlhofo, re a bona motlhofo, go ka bo fa go kgonagalang teng tota mongwe le mongwe a nna le fa a nnang teng le bana ba gagwe, e le lelwapa, so that kwa bofelong jwa letsatsi ga go nne sepe se se ba kgoreletsang.
Mr Chairperson, ke dire kopo e ke kileng ka e dira mo bothokong mo go Minister gore re tlhokana le Police Post kwa Lerala.

Lerala is the most populated village mo Ke batla go wela mme e bile ke go akgola Mr Chairperson ke re, re bone mo bošheng go nna le ditiro tsa borukutlhi bogolo jang mo Gaborone.
Ke batla go go raya ke re, 42 Hansard No 205Tuesday 22nd March, 2022ORGANISATION 2500 – MINISTRY OF DEFENCE, JUSTICE AND SECURITYCommittee of Supply (Resumed Debate) Honourable Minister, o tsibogile, mme e bile go tsiboga ga gago ke bona e kete kamoso Batswana ba tlaa tsenwa ke phefo.

Batswana ka bontsi rra re go bolelele, go tswa fela kwa dikgaolong tse 57 tsa lefatshe le ba a go akgola ba re, you are doing a good job.

Continue doing that, so that we should feel safe in our houses, roads and country.
We therefore would want gore re go rotloetse morwa Mmusi re re rra, tswelela o tshware fela jalo, ka gore Batswana ba itumelela tiro e o e dirang, e bana ba gago ba e dirang… OF MINISTER ASSISTANT LOCAL GOVERNMENT AND RURAL DEVELOPMENT (MS MONNAKGOTLA): Elucidation.

Ke a leboga fela thata motlotlegi.

Mr Chairperson, ke utlwa motlotlegi a e tshwere sentle, mme ke bue gore, a Tona a leke gore go nne le mapodise bogolo jang kwa mafelong a tennyanateng kwa go nang ke kgokgontsho teng.
A leke, golo mo go dira gore fa go senang lepodise teng jaanong kgokgontsho le fa e diragala bosupi ga bo nne sentle, e bo e le gore go baya mme ka fa mosing.

Ke a leboga Mr Chairperson.

MR MODUKANELE: Ke a leboga Mme Monnakgotla.

Ke wele jalo ke re Minister, o lebe le dikgaolwana di tshwana le tsa bo Lecheng.

Ba a lela ba re, oketsa mapodise koo ka gore borukutlhi bo a gola.
Ka Saturday fela jaana ke ne ke na le Modulasetilo wa VDC kwa Lecheng a supa gore, fa o ka bona morwa Mmusi o mo kope tlhe a oketse mapodise mo motsaneng wa rona ka gore borukutlhi bo a gola.

Le nna ke mosupi gore borukutlhi bo a gola kwa metseng e tshwana ya bo Lecheng jalo.

Ke a leboga Mr Chairperson and I thank you sincerely.

OF TRANSPORT MINISTER AND COMMUNICATIONS (MR SEGOKGO): Tla ke go leboge fela thata gore o bo o mphile sebaka se gore ke akgele.
Ga ke ne ke nna moleele, ke tsaya gore dikgang ka bontsinyana ba ba buileng fa pele ga me ba setse ba di buile, ba di akgetse.

Sa ntlha fela ke supe gore ke eme Tona nokeng mo kopong e ya gagwe ya madi, e bile ke mo akgolela tsotlhe tse a di fitlheletseng.

O berekile ka bonatla mo go baakanyeng melao e e neng e tlhoka go nna le paakanyo, go akaretsa e e re thusitseng go tswa mo seemong se sa bo grey listing.
E bile gape go na le e mengwe melao e a buileng gore le yone o tlaa e tlisa gore e tle e baakanngwe.

Ke tlaa nna mokhutshwane fela ke re go na le molao o wa the Legal Practitioners’ Act e a tlaabong a tlisa Bill gore a e baakanye, e kete mo paragraph 9 o bua ka yone.

Ke eletsa gore a dire jalo, a fefoge jalo ka gore, tota go na le dingwe diemo tse o fitlhelang di ngomola pelo.
Batswana ba solofetse gore bone ba ba fang thuso ya tsa molao ke bone ba ba ka ba sireletsang, ba ba thusa go babalela dithoto tsa bone, e bo e nna bone ba ba leng botlhabetsi.

Ka kitso ya bone ya molao ba dira gotlhe mo ba ka go kgonang go ka felela ba amoga batho dithoto tsa bone, bogolo jang ditsha tsa bonno, matlo a bone, le dilo tse di ntseng jalo.
Ke na le dikgang tse dintsinyana tse di ntiragaletseng mo kgaolong tse di tsalwang ke gore ba ba kabong ba sireletsa batho mo molaong jaanong ba intshitse gore ke bone ba tlaa amogang batho ba dirisa kitso le botlhale jwa bone jwa molao go ba amoga tsone tseo.

Tona, ke ne ke eletsa gore ke akgele go se kaenyana mo dintlheng tse pedi gape tse ke di lebileng fano.

E nngwe ke ya anti-human trafficking e o buang ka yone bogolo jang mo paragraph 16 to 18 ya gago.
Ke go lebogela gore maiteko a gago le seemo se re leng mo go sone sa …(inaudible)… ke eletsa gore o tlhatlose o dire gore re ye kwa setlhoeng.

Tota borukutlhi jo ke jo bo maswe thata.

O setse o na le kgang fa pele ga gago e o e sekisitseng, e e amang batho ba e leng gore le ngwana wa dingwaga tse di fa tlase o ne a dirisiwa botlhaswa ka lebaka la gore she was trafficked.
Ke batla go supa gore go na le se se tshwenyang le go feta mo malatsing a, se se akaretsang gore kana ba bangwe batho are trafficked e le gore go batliwa dirwe mo go bone, diphilo, go gontsi fela.

Motho fa bogolo a tlodisitswe molelwane a se mo lefatsheng la gaabo o fitlhela e le gore jaanong o mo diphatseng go feta jaaka a le mo lefatsheng la gaabo, gore a ka bona tshireletsego mo borukutlhing jo bo ntseng jaana.

Ke go kopa thata rraetsho gore o tlhoafale ka selo se.
Ya private security companies e o e amang mo paragraph 19 to 21, ke itumelela tshwaragano ya rona le ba Smart Botswana gore re tle re thuse fa re ka thusang teng, gore dikompone tse di kwadisiwe ka boranyane.

Ke buisiwa ke gore gape tota fa ke amogela gore se na le khiro e e ntsi mo Batswaneng, mme ke ngongoregela gore re fitlhela e le gore dikompone tsa gago mo go hireng Batswana ke tsone tse e keteng ga ba diragatse molao wa khiro sentle.
Ba na le gore fa gongwe ba se ka ba tshwara babereki ba bone sentle kgapetsakgapetsa.

Kana go mo maruding a bone jaaka o ne wa dira dipaakanyo tse di mo molaong, mme e bile o supa gore go na le ka fa le tlhabolotseng ka teng gore dikarolo tse tsa private security ba ka dira kgwebo e e ntseng jang.
Ba botlhokwa mo itsholelong ya rona gore go sireletswe dithoto tsa batho go kgone 43 Hansard No 205Tuesday 22nd March, 2022ORGANISATION 2500 – MINISTRY OF DEFENCE, JUSTICE AND SECURITYCommittee of Supply (Resumed Debate) gore ka tsela e e ntseng jalo le bone ba thuse ka thitibalo, bagwebi ba kgone go tla mo lefatsheng le ba itse gore dilo tsa bone di sireletsegile rraetsho.

Ke bona ka fa ba tsholang batho ka teng mo tsamaisong ya molao wa khiro e le sone jaanong sebesegolo se se ba bayang ka fa mosing.
A go baakanngwe rraetsho golo foo.

e e ntseng jaana.

E bile ba itebaganye le tse re reng ke tshireletsego ya the critical national infrastructure ka gore tlhaselo ya teng ga e ne e nna purely physical ka dibomo; ka dilo tse di ntseng jalo, e tlaa nna tlhaselo gape e e akaretsang gore go bo go dirisiwa boranyane jo gore re tlhaselwe rraetsho.

Tla ke tabogele kwa makalaneng a lephata le la gago, ba sepodise le ba sesole, mme ke sa lebale le ba dikgolegelo.
Ke leboge thata gore ba ne ba thusa thata mo seemong se sa COVID-19.

Ba sa thuse bodiredi jwa health fela, ba thusa le mo Lephateng la rona la Transport ka re ne re tlhoka thuso ya bone, bogolo jang mo enforcement ya melawana e re neng re e tsentse.

Ke bo ke lemoga thata ba sepodise rra, ba nthusa thata mo tiragatsong e ya melawana e ya tsela, le gore re tlhomamise pabalesego ya Batswana.
Ke a bo ke ne ke na le mogolwane wa gago wa sepodise mo traffic Rre Mosimanegape mo mosong ono, ke yo ke tlwaetseng gantsinyana gore ke bo ke na nae.

Ke go kopa Tona gore o sekegele kopo ya me e ke go e tsentseng bosheng mme ke itse gore o ne wa e batlela mongwe a e tsweledisa ya gore re sireletse maranyane a rona ka gore gangwe le gape, ke nna ke tsibosiwa jaana gore e kete e na le ba e leng gore bone ba ipha megala, mme golo mo go kgoreletsa maranyane a gore re atolose dithuso tse kwa Batswaneng.
Rraetsho, fa ke itebaganya le ntlha nngwe ya sesole ke gore ke lemoga gore go tlaa tla nako mme e bile gongwe ga e kgakala, e re tlaa tshwanelang ke gore re itebaganye le capability ya BDF going forward ka gore e tshwanetse e itepatepanye le diemo tse ke tsayang gore di a fetoga.

Thitibalo e e mo lefatsheng rraetsho, re kgona go bona fela kwa Ukraine ka fa go diragalang ka teng mo Europe gore re mo dipakeng tse re sa tshwanelang go akanya gore ka re ntse re tshelela mo thitibalong, go tlaa nna fela jalo.
Re se ka ra iphitlhela re le kwa morago.

E bile le fa o supa tlhaelo ya madi, there will arrive a time when I think re tshwanetse to acquire and procure a defence capability e e ka re fang tshireletso e e re tshwanetseng re le lefatshe.

Ke ya go senola sengwe ke se gape se ke batlang gore re se tsenye matlho thata.

Selo se ke se re reng ke sone cyber security, e se tsayang mo tshireletsong ya mafatshe.
Ke bo ke go kopa rra gore ba BDF, sepodise le DIS, ba kopanele go aga ka bofefo se re se bitsang re re ke a cyber-security operation centre.

Selo se se mo strategy sa rona sa National Cyber Security Strategy.

Go botlhokwa gore ba kopanele selo se, re nne le tshireletso Nte ke se ka ka wetsa rra ke sa ama dingwenyana tsa kwa Tlokweng.
Ke ntse ke a kopa gore o atolose bodiredi jwa gago kwa Tlokweng, o oketse e bile o tlhabolole police station ya teng, re bo re bone le agency kana ke tlaa re mo o beileng …(Inaudible)… Ka lebaka la kgolo ya motse, ke na le kopo e e kileng ya tsena mo go nna, kana Mapalamente bangwe ba ba mo melelwaneng ba tlhola ba lela ka tshireletsego ya leruo la bone.

Ke batla fela ke bue gore dikgomo ka fa kgaolong ya me ya Tlokweng di a utswiwa rra, di tlodisiwa kwa melelwaneng ya South Africa.
E bile fa o tshwanetse gore o ye go di bona, o ya go di bona bokgakala jo bo kana ka Lautenberg, 200 km go tswa mo molelwaneng.

Jaanong e na le fa e nang le diphatla teng.

Bangwe ba kile ba bo ba nkopa gore a mme re ne re ka se ka ra ya go e thiba ra e baakanya.

Fela se re ka se kopang ke gore a bo ba sepodise le masole ba le gaufi, go bontsha le go supetsa ba ba kwa molelwaneng o mongwe gore ga re dirukutlhi, re tletse fa go baakanya.
Ke santse ke tsenya kopo gape ya gore rra, ke na le dikgaolwana tsa kwa Mmokolodi, Ruretse le Notwane tse e leng gore ka gore ba agile gaufinyana le fa go sekgwa, ba na le go tlhaselwa ke disinyi, bogolo jang bosigo le dinako tsa go le public holidays mme ba tlhoka thuso ya sepodise e o fitlhelang e ikatumeditse le bone le response e e ka nnang botoka.

Ke selelo se ba nang naso, ke kopa gore o se sekaseke, o se sekegele tsebe.

Ke ema foo Tona.

Ke go eme nokeng.

Ke a leboga.


MR CHAIRPERSON: Thank you Minister, o sena go re solofetsa gore o tlaa re siela nako.

O ne o re hora?

Motlotlegi Mopalamente wa Serowe Bokone.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ke Serowe Borwa.

MR CHAIRPERSON: Nnyaa bokone, Honourable Mathoothe.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ga wa leba list sentle.

MR CHAIRPERSON: Honourable Mathoothe.

HONOURABLE MEMBERS: Ke Honourable Lesedi Mr Chairperson.
44 Hansard No 205Tuesday 22nd March, 2022ORGANISATION 2500 – MINISTRY OF DEFENCE, JUSTICE AND SECURITYCommittee of Supply (Resumed Debate) HONOURABLE MEMBER: O ne o mmiditse kgantele.

MR CHAIRPERSON: Hold a second.

Ke ne ke re gongwe Rraagwe Nkamo o raya gore ga a bue gotlhelele.

Honourable Lesedi.

MR LESEDI (SEROWE SOUTH): Ke a leboga.

Fa e sa le maabane, o kare ga re welane sentle nna le wena.

Ga ke itse gore go a bo go diragetse jang.


MR CHAIRPERSON: Re welana tota Rra Nkamo, tlogela go ngongorega, bua.

MR LESEDI: Ke supe jaana Mr Chairperson, ke lebogele gore o bo o mphile nakonyana go bua mo ministry o. Rraetsho, mma pele fela ke leboge Tona, bogolo jang ka bana ba gagwe ba ba dirang tiro ka bokgabane; botlhe fela ba tshwere ka mashetla.
Gongwe pele mma ke sianele kwa go ba sepodise, ke supe jaana gore batho ba ba Modimo Mr Chairperson, ba boineelo jo bo seng kana ka sepe mo dikgwetlhong tse di kanakana tse ba di raletseng.

Selo santlha fela fa re leba Mr Chairperson, bontsi jwa nako mapodise ga ba nne bonno jo bo kgotsofatsang.

Ga ke bue ka shortage ya boroko.


Kana le gone kwa bo leng teng Mr Chairperson, monno o wa go nna batho ba tlhakana ntswa le ba bangwe ba nyetse, ke seemo se se ba bayang mo goreng ba se ka ba perform sentle, bogolo jang kwa tirong ya bone ka gore fa gongwe ba a bo ba letse ba sa tsoga.

Gape matlo a bontsi jwa nako mapodise a nnang mo go one, a siilwe ke nako Mr Chairperson.
Fa o leba mapodise ba ntse bantlenyana, ba itshwanela ba le mo tirong, o bo o leba seemo se ba tsogang kwa go sone, ga go nyalane Mr Chairperson.

A e re Tona a kopa madi jaana, gongwe dilo tsone tse a di ele tlhoko.

E bile gape mo godimo ga moo, mapodise ba berekiswa ba sa tsholediwe maemo.

Mapodise ba tsaya dingwagangwaga ba le mo rank e le nngwefela, mo o a tleng o ipotse gore ke kwa lephateng lefe kwa motho a ka kgonang go nna dingwaga tse di kana a sa bone maemo.
Gongwe sengwe sa dilo tse ke di lebang; a e re jaaka fa re ntse re lela jaana, lefatshe la Botswana le a gola, crime mo lefatsheng la rona e a gola, a Tona a bone gore police posts jaaka fa batlotlegi e ntse e le bone ba tlang fa ba emetse morafe, kana tota tse re di lelang fano tse, motho mongwe o setse a ka leba jaaka e kete re a lela mme re bua selelo sa Batswana ka gore ke rona ba ba re romileng fano go ba emela.
A police posts jaaka fa re tlaabo re ntse re lela re re di dirwe jaana, a di dirwe mo maemong a di ka bulelang mapodise diphatlha tsa go etelelwa ke batho ba ranks tse di rileng gore go tle go atologe gore le ba ba kwa tlase, ba kgone go bona promotions Mr Chairperson.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Elucidation honourable.

MR LESEDI: I yield.

MR TSHERE: On a point of elucidation.

Thank you very much Modulasetilo.

Thank you very much Honourable Lesedi.


Ke rata thata fa o bua ka fa mapodise a sa tsholediweng maemo ka teng, ba kgona go nna lebaka le leleele.

Kana e bile ba ba uniform ba botoka ka gore o ka nna wa ba bona gore nnyaa ke yo lepodise ga le a tsholediwa maemo, fa e le ba sephiri rra; Criminal Investigation Department (CID), koo go worse.

Ba nna fela, kana ke gore jaanong ke mapodise a sephiri ga ba bonwe rra, ga ba tsholediwe maemo jaaka o bua.

Bontsi jwa bone ba lelela thata mo go nna.

Ke a leboga.
Ke a leboga.

MR LESEDI: Ke a leboga Mr Chairperson.

Ke a leboga Honourable Tshere.

Ga re ba CID re a tle re re ba botoka ka gore o a bo o sa ba bone.

Jaanong fa e le ba o ba bonang ba motho wa Modimo, o tlaa bona motho a tsholela ngwana mo kampeng, a bo a mo godisa, ngwana yo a bo a tsoga kamoso a join sesole a bo a ya go nna Captain, wena e le gore o ntse o mo rank ya Constable.

Tota seemo se se ngomola pelo.


Ke tsaya gore Tona o a se utlwa, e re a ntse a bula police posts jaana, a bone gore di etelelwa ke batho ba rank e e rileng gore go tle go direle ba ba kwa tlase diphatlha tsa promotion.

Rraetsho, mma ke go leboge.


Ke ntse ke lela mo go wena bosigo le motshegare Tona ke re a ko o lebe kgaolo, gongwe ke e fa sekai ka kgaolo e tshwana le ya Serowe South, ke bone maloba o bula police post kwa Radisele e ke bonang seemo sa yone se nkgotsofaletsa gore e tlaa tsamaisiwa kana motho yo o tlaa e etelelang, e tlaa nna wa rank ya ASP gore a tle a thusiwe ke Inspector, bo Sub Inspector ba nne babedi, ke raya jaaka ke ne ke e leba ke na le wena, le wena o e bone gore e a kgotsofatsa.
Rraetsho, ga go ise go lekane, gongwe fa ke e fa sekai, motse wa Serowe bogolo jang jaaka fa o o itse, o godile, o atologile, police station ya teng e nngwefela, e e saleng e agiwa ke ise ke nne teng mo lefatsheng.
E kgologolo, dikago tsa yone di di kgologolo mo go tsitsibanyang mmele, mme ke rata go leboga rraetsho ka gore mapodise a yone jaaka fa ke bua, Rre Oketsang le Rre Oteng, ba tshwere ka natla go bona gore ba lwantsha 45 Hansard No 205Tuesday 22nd March, 2022ORGANISATION 2500 – MINISTRY OF DEFENCE, JUSTICE AND SECURITYCommittee of Supply (Resumed Debate) borukutlhi ka ditsela tsotlhe tse ba ka di kgonang, mme a ba thusiwe rraetsho.
Batho bale ba tlhoka police post, bogolo jang mo motseng wa Serowe, mme e bile police posts tse, fa ne di ka nna pedi tsa nna tharo, go ne go ka thusa ka gore mo nakong ya gompieno, ga go lebege, e bile ga go na ape maikaelelo le fa o leba jaana a Puso e a tsayang go bona gore ba re direla police station e nngwe.

A e re police station e nngwe e santse e padile, bogolo go bulwe police posts tse di tlaa atolosetsang ditlamelo kwa Batswaneng rraetsho.
Sengwe sa dilo tse ke neng ke rata go bua ka tsone, jaaka ke ne ke bua, bo special constable ga ba yo kwa kgaolong ya me, jaaka o itse, ga ke batle go bua ka yone jaaka e kete ga ke ise ke go e lekodise.

A e re jaaka fa o kopa madi jaana, e nne dingwe tsa dilo tse o tlaa di elang tlhoko, go bona gore metse ele e e dikologileng Kgaolo ya Serowe South le yone e bona bo police special constable ka gore ke yone fela e e se nang nabo, mme borukutlhi yone jaaka o itse, bo re apere.
Rraetsho, mma ke siane ke lebe kgang e ya Kgomokhumo, ke tlaa phakela ke go botsa potso kamoso ka yone.

Kana Kgomokhumo e ne ya thusa thata ya ba ya bontsha Batswana gore ba ka kgona go rua dikgomo ka nako ya Kgomokhumo e le teng.

Fa Kgomokhumo e sale jaaka e tsamaya, go nna thata, mme go na le mokgwa o ke sa itseng gore mokgwa o o o leba jang Tona.
Kana fa dikgomo tse di tshwarwa jaana, bogolo jang mo bathong ba belaelwang, jaanong go tswa gone foo, di neelwa ba go dumelwang gore ke tsa bone gore ba di dise.

Mpolelela gore golo mo go tswa kae Tona, o go leba jang ka gore le gone go ba baya mo diphatseng.

Akanya monnamogolo yo o tlaabong a tshwanelwa ke go kokomalela dikgomo a le bo 82 years.
Ke bua dilo tse di tshelang, tse gongwe maloba o utlwileng bangwe e kete ba feta ka tsone mo go wena, gore fa monnamogolo o mmaya mo diphatseng tsa gore a dise dikgomo, a sa ye gae, a sa ye dintshong, a sa ye sepe fela sa dilo dipe fela tse di mo lebaneng kwa lelwapeng, tse a ka di dirang, e le gore mathata o kokometse dikgomo tse, wa re tshireletsego ya gagwe e fa kae Tona?

A ko o lebe seemo se, o bone gore gongwe se ka tokafadiwa ka tsela e e ntseng jang.
Rraetsho, kwa Serowe o re diretse mathata, kana fa o gakologelwa prison ya bomme, e ne ya fuduga, jaanong o re tlogeletse matlotla, wareng ka matlotla a prisons a a kwa Serowe a e leng gore ga o ikaelele go dira sepe mo go one?

Jaanong le gone a e re fa o leba jalo rraetsho, bona gore gongwe golo foo, o dira sengwe o a go tlhabolola go nna sengwe, ka gore e bile gape segolobogolo go fa gare ga motse mo e leng gore ga go lebege sentle.
Gongwe mma e re ke ise ke wele, ke supe gore rraetsho, ke batla go tlisa letshogo kwa go wena, la gore o kare re tlaabo re tshelela mo letshogong le le seng kana ka sepe, tshireletsego ya rona bogolo jang re le Batlotlegi Mapalamente e fa kae.

Kana fa o ka lebelela Mr Chairperson, mo nakong e ntsi, re dumela gore mapodise ba ntse ba dira tiro e ntle thata ya go tshwara le go sekisa gongwe kgabagare batho ba bo ba bonwa melato ba ya dikgolegelong.
Jaanong tshireletsego ya rona e fa kae fa e le gore e kare Palamente e tsene, e bo e le gore tiro e ntle e e kanakana, e mapodise ba ntseng ba e dira, e kgotlelwa ke ba Lekalana la DIS mo ba kgonang go re tshwara Palamente e tsene.

O bo o ipotsa gore fa ba re tshwara Palamente e tsene Minister, o bokgakala bo kae go leba dilo tse?

Fa Palamente e tsene, ke ya Palamenteng le ke tswa Palamenteng, ke ntse ke dumela gore ke a bo ke sireletsegile.
Jaanong fa e le gore go kgotlelwa ka tsela e e ntseng jalo, bontle jo bo kanakana jo bana ba gago ba ntseng ba bo dira, lefoko la gago ke eng, o tshwaragana jang le molekane wa gago go bona gore gongwe diemo tse le a di bepisa ka gore go re baya mo diphatseng.
Rraetsho, sa bofelo ke tsaya gore dikgang tse tsotlhe o di utlwile, ke kopa gore ema ka dinao Tona mo mading a o a kopang a, ke go eme nokeng gore re go a neele, o a tseye, mme e re o a tsaya jaana, tsone dilo tse, e nne dilo dingwe tse o tlaa yang go leba go bona gore matshelo a Batswana o a tokafatsa.

Ke a leboga Mr Chairperson.

MINISTER OF INVESTMENT, TRADE AND INDUSTRY (MR KGAFELA): Ke a leboga Mr Chairperson.
Le nna nte ke eme fa, ke eme Tona nokeng ka kopo ya gagwe ya madi, mme ke mo akgolele tiro e ntle e lephata la gagwe le e dirang.

Re tshwanetse ra amogela gore go a itekwa, mme ga re ka ke ra kgotsofatsa mongwe le mongwe.

Ga le yo lefatshe kgotsa mmuso ope o e kileng ya re o theogetse, wa kgotsofatsa beng ba one ka ditsela tse tsotlhe.

Se re tshwanetseng ra se lebelela fela ke gore a tse di ntle di feta tse di fatlhang.
Ka tebo ya me Tona, ke tsaya fela gore tse di ntle tse o di dirang, di feta tse di fatlhang.

Ga ke gane gore fale le fale, go etle go fatlhe, ga go na ntlo e e se keng e na, mme ga re a tshwanela gore re bo re itebaganya fela le tse di fatlhang, di bo di phimola tsotlhe tse dintle.
46 Hansard No 205Tuesday 22nd March, 2022ORGANISATION 2500 – MINISTRY OF DEFENCE, JUSTICE AND SECURITYCommittee of Supply (Resumed Debate) Ke utlwile batlotlegi gore ba ngongorega segolo jang ka tiro ya DIS, ba re a e emise go tshwara, a e tswe mo tirong e e dirwang ke mapodise.

Ke a ba utlwa, mme kana fa ba rialo, ke ipotsa gore ke eng fa batlotlegi ba ne ba neela DIS dithata tsa go tshwara ka fa tlase ga Section 21, ya one molawana o o tlhamileng DIS wa Intelligence and Security Services.
Go papametse fela ka fa tlase ga tshetlana eo gore ba na le dithata tsa go tshwara.

Jaanong ga ke itse gore batlotlegi ba ka neela DIS dithata tsa go tshwara jang, ya re ba di diragatsa, power of arrest... HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ba tshwarela eng?

MR KGAFELA: Nnyaa, o tshwarelwa molato... MR CHAIRPERSON: Please give chance Honourable Kgafela please.

to MR KGAFELA: O tshwarelwa molato, it talks about an arrest without warrant for an offense.
Jaanong fa o ka lebelela gape gore dithata tse ba di neetsweng ka fa tlase ga Section 5 (a) ya re, ba neetswe dithata tsa gore ba dire tsotlhe tse di tlhokafalang, go tlhomamisa gore ba lwantsha se se tshosetsang security sa lefatshe, either politically, militarily kgotsa economically.

Jaanong kana dithata tseo tota fela jaaka Palamente e di ba neetse, they are so broad.
Fa e le gore Mapalamente ba eletsa gore ba di ngotle, ke tsaya gore tshono e teng ya gore ba tlise molao wa gore ba ngotle dithata tseo ba se ka ba di tlogela as wide as they are.

As they currently stand, dithata tsa bone are so broad tsa gore ga go tlhalosiwe gore fa gotwe tsayang dikgato tsotlhe tse di tlhokafalang go lwantsha dilo tse ke sa tswang go bua ka tsone tse, Mapalamente ba tlhoka gore ba supe gore dikgato tsotlhe tse di tlhokafalang ba raya eng.
Jaanong re tshwanetse ra lebelela gore fa gotwe dithata tsotlhe tse di tlhokafalang, go tshwanetse ga lebelelwa in the context ya molao otlhe o o bopileng lekalana le, ga lebelelwa gore tiro ya bone ke eng.

Ga e ka ke ya re e le gore bone ba ikepela ka Tshetlana ya Botlhano ba re ke gone jaaka re tsaya dikgato tsotlhe tse di tlhokafalang, e bo e le gore jaanong ba a makalelwa.

Ditshetlana tse pedi tse, they are sufficiently broad enough go ba digela ka fa tlase ga se e leng gore ba a se dira.
Re tshwanetse ra lemoga gore dithata tsa go tshwara, ga di ka fa tlase ga molawana o fela o, di ka fa tlase ga Criminal Procedure and Evidence Act, le yone e a laela gore lepodise, a peace officer le Motlotlegi Dithapelo Keorapetse tota o ka tshwara motho as a citizen.
Gone ke amogela gore molao wa DIS, o ba tlama gore fela fa ba sena go tshwara motho, ba bo jaanong ba mo isa kwa sepodiseng, ba ya go mo neela mapodise gore ba tle ba mo ithome jaaka Criminal Procedure and Evidence Act e laela gore mmelaelwa wa bokebekwa a ithongwe ka tsela e e ntseng jalo.

Jaanong seo ke a se amogela gore, ga ba ka ke ba tshwara motho ba dirisa dithata either under Section 5 kana Section 21.
Ga ba ka ke ba tshwara motho ba bo ba mo ipeela, ba tshwanetse ba mo ntshe mo diatleng tsa bone ba ye go mo neela mapodise.

Gongwe dilo tse ke tse re tshwanetseng ra di rutana, e re fa go tsenwe dikomiti tse di okametseng lekalana le, go bo go ntse go ithutiwa by sharing ideas gore bagaetsho go ka tokafadiwa ka tsela e e ntseng jang.

Fa e le gore ba tshwere motho ba mo ipeela, ba supegediwe gore nnyaa bagaetsho, jaanong fa le ne le fetile metsi le tshwere seretse, ga le a tshwanela go ka bo le mo ipeetse.
Ke fete ka selelo segolo se sa DIS.

Borukutlhi bo bontsi Tona, re leka ka bojotlhe re le lefatshe la Botswana gore re ngoke bobeeletsi both go tswa kwa ntle ga lefatshe le domestic investment re a e tlhoka.

Jaanong borukutlhi jo re sa tswang go bo bona bo runya; diphamololelo, dipetso ka dikgoka, ke re tsaya madi Tona, o ye go a dirisa o leke go lwantsha dilo tse, ka gore jaanong di re kobela bobeeletsi.

Di boifisa batho, di re ntsha mo seemong se re neng re tshepiwa.
Ga re itse gore gare ga rona le ba jaanong ba runtseng, go tsene eng.

Ke ka leboga thata fa o ka kopa dithuso le mo go bone Batlotlegi Mapalamente fa ba ka go thusa gore, tota fela borukutlhi jo bo re apesitseng leru le lentsho bo, bo ka lwantshiwa ka tsela e e ntseng jang.

Gape ke tlhalose Tona gore, dilo dingwe tse setšhaba se di lebeletseng ke gore fa go nnile le tiragalo ya borukutlhi kana batho ba tshwerwe, a go sekiwe.
Fa go nnileng le botshosetsi kana tiragalo ya borukutlhi teng batho ba ya go tlhotlhomisiwa, a ba tshwarwe.

Go ngomola pelo e bile go nyemisa moko gore e re go itsiwe gore borukutlhi bo diragetse, dikgwedikgwedi le dingwaga di bo di feta serukutlhi se sa tshwarwe, either ke serukutlhi yo e leng mokgokgontshi wa mmele wa motho, moutswi wa dithoto, mojabetsi mogolo wa madi a setšhaba, a a tshwarwe.
Re a itse gore makalana a mangwe a Puso, fa ditlhotlhomiso di tsweletse pele go na le dipelaelo tsa gore go sentswe, e a re ba sepodise kana ba lekalana lepe la ditlhotlhomiso ba nna gaufi ba atumela, e bo o utlwa gotwe motho o tlhanotse direthe o tlogetse tiro.
Jaanong ke re le fa motho a tlogetse tiro, a tlhanotse direthe, a re tshabetse, go botlhokwa gore 47 Hansard No 205Tuesday 22nd March, 2022ORGANISATION 2500 – MINISTRY OF DEFENCE, JUSTICE AND SECURITYCommittee of Supply (Resumed Debate) a ye go tshwarwa ka gore go tlogela tiro ga go bolae molato; ga go bodise molato.

A ye go tshwarwa.

Ga re itse gore go tlhanola direthe mo go raya eng.

Ke utlwa gotwe batho ba tlhanotse direthe kwa bo Botswana Unified Revenue Service (BURS).
Tona, tsamaya o ye go ba tshwara, re ba emetse, ba ditiragalo tse re neng ra di utlwa fa ke goroga mo ministry o, ka utlwa gotwe go tsogile lerole le le tona la tshwapholo ya madi a mantsi, mme ga felela go sekilwe.

Ga sekiwa kwa Francistown High Court, Moatlhodi Mme Mogomotsi a supa gore, nnyaa bofora le bomenemene ke jo ke bo bone.

E bo jaanong a tshwara madi a a neng a tshwanetse gore a tshwapholwe mo SPEDU.
Ga ke itse gore ka Moatlhodi o atlhotse gore bofora le bomenemene o bo iponetse, Tona o emetse eng?

Tsamaya o ye go tla ka batho bao, go bonwe gore o tlhwaafetse ka se o se dirang, ba tle ba kope bail jaaka mongwe le mongwe a tshwanetse gore fa a tshegeditswe a kope bail.

Ga gona ope yo o kwa godimo ga molao; batho ba a tshwarwa go sa kgatlhalesege gore o eng.

Motho fela yo a ka se keng a tshwarwa, ke Tautona.

Ke ene e leng gore Molaomotheo o a mo sireletsa.


Rona Ministers, Mothusa Tautona, Mapalamente, Makhanselara, baruti ba dikereke, Dikgosi… HONOURABLE MEMBER: Le wena o le Kgosi?

MR KGAFELA: Le Barena tota ba a tshwarwa.

Fa bo Morena Tshekedi ba tshwarwa maloba, ga se bone Barena ba ntlha ba tshwarwa; le rona re kile ra tshwarwa re itse fela gore nnyaa, ga re kwa godimo ga molao.
Batsadi ba rona ba re tlhaloseditse gore nnyaa, o a o huhumela; o tlaa go kgaola tlhogo, o leka go o tlola o tlaa go kgaola maoto.

Jaanong ga gona ope batsadi yo o kwa godimo ga molao.

Jaanong fa o tshwarwa, o tshwarwa gongwe le gongwe.

HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… MR CHAIRPERSON: Order!

Let us have order, please!

Honourable Mathoothe.

Order!

Honourable Minister Mmusi, please reply to the debate.
MINISTER OF DEFENCE, JUSTICE AND SECURITY (MR MMUSI): Thank you Mr Chairperson... HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ke kopa nakonyana foo ke arabe Kgabo.

MR MMUSI: Mr Chairperson, a ko o nne o raya Gobotswang a nne a didimala, ke motho yo motona.

Mr Chairperson, tla ke lebogele dikakgelo tse bakaulengwe ba di beileng pele, mme botlhe ba supa fa ba eme nokeng kopo e. Mr Chairperson, ke batla go simolola ke lebagane le Honourable Kapinga… MR CHAIRPERSON: O tsholetse dinao Tshwene; tsholetsa dinao.
MR MMUSI: Nnyaa, se tshoge, ke siame.

Wela dibete Rotwe.

Ke lebagana le Honourable Kapinga ke re rra, ke go utlwile o le Modulasetilo wa Komiti e e okametseng ministry o. Rraetsho, ke ne ke batla go go raya ke re, mapodise a tlaa tswelela ka go lwantsha borukutlhi ka sengwe le sengwe mo lefatsheng la Botswana.

Ga ba ka ke ba emisa, ba tlaa lwantsha borukutlhi Honourable Kapinga.

E bile le fa o ka tshosetsa o reng, mapodise bone ba tlile go lwantsha borukutlhi.
Fa batho ba tla go tlhasela ba tshotse pepper sprays, mapodise ba tlaa ba sala morago ka pepper sprays.

Fa batho ba tla go tlhasela ba tshotse weapons of war, mapodise ba tlaa ba sala morago ka tsone le bone.

E bile ke batla go go tlhalosetsa le maloba gore, projects tse ke tsa mapodise.

Sengwe le sengwe se magolegwa a tshwarwang go a bo go ntse go eteletse mapodise pele.

O utlwile le Assistant Commissioner Motube, ke ene yo o neng a ntse a a fa ditlhaloso a kwala statements.
Jaanong a dikgang tse o le moeteledipele, re nne re di bua ka tlhamalalo rraetsho, re sa leke gore re tsietse setšhaba.

Modulasetilo, ke ne ke akgela jalo.

Re utlwile dikakgelo ka bakaulengwe, di ne di tshwana bontsi jwa tsone.

Ba ne ba na le ngongorego ya gore gongwe ga re na visibility ya mapodise e e kalokalo.

Ke batla gore ke bolelele Palamente gore, mo ngwageng one o wa 2021 o o neng o simolola 2022, re ne ra ya go kopa kwa bodireding jwa Puso gore re hire (recruit) mapodise a le boketenyana.
Re ntse re kgona to recruit gongwe a maximum of 150 ngwaga le ngwaga, mme ka re a bona gore borukutlhi bo ile magoletsa mo lefatsheng la Botswana, re kopile mo Pusong gore ngwaga o re hire mapodise a le 1,000.

Re tlaa leka thata gore a ithutuntshe ngwaga o, re bo re leka gore re nne re ba anamise le lefatshe.

1,000 ga a ise a lekane, gongwe fa e kare re ntse re boela kwa go bone ngwaga o o tlang ba nna ba re letlelela, re tlaa leka thata.
Ke one maikaelelo a rona gore re bone gore re nna le police visibility e e bonalang, jaaka Honourable Kapinga a ne a botsa gore mo ngwageng o re ikaeletse go fitlhelela (achieve) eng, and ke se re se ikemiseditseng seo gore re tlile go se fitlhelela ka fa sepodiseng ngwaga o wa madi.
48 Hansard No 205Tuesday 22nd March, 2022ORGANISATION 2500 – MINISTRY OF DEFENCE, JUSTICE AND SECURITYCommittee of Supply (Resumed Debate) Rraetsho, selo se sengwe se re ikaeletseng to achieve, ke go atolosa maranyane a rona a a bidiwang gotwe ‘Safer City.’ Re tlile go a atolosa ka gore re lemogile gore a a re thusa.

Maloba re ne re sala morago magodu a a dirang cash in transit kana cash heists.

Re bona gore ba felela kae, e bo e le gone re tlang go tsaya madi kana re ba tshwara teng.
Cameras tse, di a re thusa thata.

Re leka go di oketsa mo ngwageng o wa madi.

Re a itse gore jaaka bakaulengwe ba buile, re santse re na le dikgwetlho tse dintsi.

Ka ntata ya go tlhoka madi, ga re kgone go dira dilo tsotlhe.

Gompieno jaana re na le marecruit a le 1,000 a re a tsentseng.

Re na le kgwetlho ya gore re ba isa kae, re a go ba baya kae, boroko e nna mathata.

Le rona re tshwanelwa ke go bereka le maphata a mangwe gore a re agele matlo le dikampa.
Ke selo se se re tshwentseng between maphata a rona a Police, BDF, Prisons le boMakaseterata.

Re bone gore bana ba rona ba nna mo matlong a a sireletsegileng, a a bonalang, a ba ka nnang le families tsa bone mo go one.

Ka ntata ya go tlhoka madi, o fitlhela re nna le letlhoko leo.

O fitlhela re nna le mathata a gore ga re na madi re le lephata.

Re tshwanelwa ke gore re oketse kwa, re oketse kwa, mme mo ngwageng o, re itebagantse le tsone tseo.
Fa o tsaya Honourable Mthimkhulu, o ne a bua ka masole a maloba a ya Mozambique.

Rraetsho, re ne ra tshwanelwa ke go ba pega mo sefofaneng sa Air Botswana ka gone go tlhoka.

Re na le difofane tse e leng gore le gompieno jaana fa re ntse le boeteledipele jwa sesole, re etla re ipotsa gore re a go di baakanya jang re le lefatshe, ke dikeletso tsa rona.

O kare re ka bo re na le madi a magolwane gore re oketse.

Ke a itumela gore gompieno Mapalamente otlhe a dumalana le gore re okelediwe madi re le lephata.
Ke a dumela gore Tona wa rona wa Madi, Motlotlegi Mme Peggy Serame, o a utlwa le ba ministry wa gagwe.

Ba a utlwa gore Ministry of Defence, Justice and Security o tshwanetse o okelediwe madi gore re aname le lefatshe le, go le sireletsa ka dinako tsotlhe, re le malala a laotswe.

Ke one maikaelelo a rona a re batlang gore re a diragatse.

Re na le ba Prisons, le bone re utlwile mo presentation ya maabane gore ba tsweletse ka go oketsa maphata a bone, ba ye kwa godimo.
Welfare tsa babereki di okediwe gore ba nne le dikatso tse di botoka.

Jaaka re le Puso jaana, re bereka le maphata a mangwe.

Re tshwanelwa ke go ya kwa Directorate of Public Service Management (DPSM) go isa dikgang tsa rona gore di kanokiwe.

Re ye kwa Attorney General.

Re bereka ka Acts tse di ikemetseng ka nosi.

Acts tse, dingwe di sale di kwalwa mo dingwageng tse di fetileng.
Fa e le gore go na le dilo dingwe tse re batlang go di fetola, go raya gore re busetse Act e e tle kwa Palamenteng, e tle go lejwalejwa le amogele se re batlang go se dira.

Ke dilo tse re tlaa nnang re di dira, re tla kwa go lona le le Mapalamente gore le re thuse.

Ke batla go boa ke tsena mo kgannyeng e bakaulengwe ba neng ba e bua gore ga re a kgona go nna le madi a go aga police stations kwa dikgaolong di tshwana le Molepolole.
Yes Honourable Morwaeng, re filwe lefatshe kwa Molepolole, e bile le le tona.

Re malala a laotswe fela ka priorities tsa rona.

Molepolole ke motse o motona rraetsho, o o tlhokanang le sepodise le police stations tse di rileng.

Re tlaa nna re tsweletse re bereka.

Go tshwana le kwa Morolong kwa go ... HONOURABLE MEMBER: Le kwa Serowe rra.

MR MMUSI: A ko o nne o didimala Motlotlegi Mathoothe.

O fitlhela o kare o ntshiwa meno, batho!

Go tshwana le kwa Borolong.


Rraetsho, re tlaa nna re leka Honourable Molale.

Ke go kolota police station, mme ke go reetse ka re, keletso ya rona ke go isa Special Support Group (SSG) ka gore ke mo molelwaneng re ye go lwantsha leruo ka koo.

Re tlaa nna re ntse re go akanyetsa, re kopa rraetsho.

O se ka wa tsaya gore ... MINISTER OF BASIC EDUCATION (MR MOLAO): On a point of clarification.

Ke a leboga mokaulengwe.

Ke a leboga Mr Chair.


Ke re e re o ntse o bua ka tse dingwe, o tle o fete ka kgang ya rona ya Sebina-Marapong Police Station gore e tsamaya fa kae?

Borukutlhi jwa stock theft jo bo tletseng kwa kgaolong e ke tswang kwa go yone ka ditsheko tse di sa sekweng, re a go dira jang go fefosa go fa batho ba nne le confidence gore ba se ka ba tloga ba itseela molao mo diatleng tsa bone, ba lwela leruo la bone?

MR CHAIRPERSON: Ba ya go dira jang Tona?


MR MMUSI: Tanki Honourable Member of Parliament (MP) Rre Molao.

Nnyaa rraetsho, re ntse re buisana nna le wena.

Re tlaa nna re ntse re buisana.

Dikgang tsa gago di botlhokwa, ga re na go boela kwa morago ka tsone.

Jaaka re sekaseka gore gongwe mo kgannyeng ya Sebina-Marapong, re ka dira police post mo ngwageng o o tlang o wa madi gore re tokafatse seemo se se koo rraetsho.
Ke dikgang tse re tlaa nnang re ntse re di tshwaraganela le boeteledipele jwa motse kwa Sebina- Marapong mo malatsing a a sa fediseng pelo gore re bone gore re ka dira jang.

49 Hansard No 205Tuesday 22nd March, 2022ORGANISATION 2500 – MINISTRY OF DEFENCE, JUSTICE AND SECURITYCommittee of Supply (Resumed Debate) Ke ne ke santse ke re ke tsena mo go tse dingwe tse di neng di ntse di buiwa, gore procurement ya rona ya sesole le sepodise, nako e nngwe dilo tse re di rekang, re di reka kwa ntle ga lefatshe.
Gantsi dilo tse di tsaya lebaka gore di tlisiwe.

Ga re di fitlhele mo shelf re bo re reka.

Re lebeletse gore re improve equipment ya rona le fa re sena madi.

Re a nna fa fatshe re buisana gore tota re tlhoka eng, re ka dira eng.

Dilo di fetoga letsatsi le letsatsi, so, we are analysing them.

Security levels change every day.

Ga se selo se se nnelang ruri for a long time.


Re na le dilo tse re ikaeletseng re le ba BDF le Botswana Police Service (BPS) gore re ka di baakanya jang, ra di tokafatsa jang, ra di ntšhafatsa jang, to improve them gore re nne re le malala a laotswe mo go tse di ka re tlhagelang.

Bakaulengwe ba lebogetse masole a re a isitseng kwa Mozambique, ba ile go thusa mo SADC Mission in Mozambique (SAMIM).
Re a itse gore tota masole a e rile fa re a isa, golo mo e ne e se tshwetso ya rona re le nosi, re ne re e tlhakanetse re le ba Southern African Development Community (SADC).

Masole jaaka ke bua jaana, fa ba tswa mo Botswana ba bidiwa masole a SAMIM, ba ile go lwa kwa under SAMIM.

Ke dilo tse di tswelelang di kanokiwa.

Re a itse gore kwa Mozambique, deputy wa masole ke Brigadier yo o tswang kwano.

An advisor that analyse security levels all the time ke ngwana wa rona yo o tswang mo Botswana.
Ke bone ba ba gakololang, dikgang tse di bo di buisanwa kwa SAMIM.

Ke dikgang tse di tlaa nnang di buiwa kwa SADC go bona gore tota re ka busa leng masole a rona ba ba leng kwa Mozambique.

Ke dikgang that are analysed, di a lebelelwa every three months.

Re tlaabo re ntse re lebeletse bagaetsho.

Honourable Brooks o buile ka kampa ya BDF e e kwa Tsabong.

Rraetsho, re na le keletso e tona thata gore re dire kampa ya BDF e e kwa Tsabong.
Re na le mathata a mabedi kwa Tsabong a gongwe a santseng a re tshwere.

Bothata jwa ntlha jo botona ke metsi mo kgaolong ele.

So, ke yone Number one.

Ya bobedi ke gore tota re tlhoka madi.

Mme fela tota bothata jo re nang le jone jo botona ke jwa go tlhoka metsi.

Re tlaa nna re ntse re bona rraetsho, ga re tlhobose.

Ke dilo tse e leng gore ke ne ke re fela ke go tsibose gore re santse re... MR MATHOOTHE: Clarification.
Ke ne ke re e re o feta ka tsa dikampa tsa BDF, gongwe o re fetise ka kgang ya Paje Military Academy, gore yone e fa kae le Mmashoro Police Station?

Thank you.

MR MMUSI: Thank you.

Ee rra, Paje Military Academy re santse re e beetse kwa thoko jaaka re go boleletse gore ga re na madi.

Ke dilo tse e leng gore fa madi a ka nna teng, re tlaa di dira.

Mmashoro Police Station le yone e ntse e mo lenaneong, mme re santse re emisitswe ke madi.
E rile fa re fiwa madi mono ngwaga ga re a kgona gore re fiwe madi a go ka dira projects tse dintsintsi.

Gongwe re tlaa nna re dira police posts fale, mme le tsone di tlaa tsamaya fela ka go tlhatlologana ga tsone.

Honourable Brooks, rraetsho, ke maiteko mo go rona.

Ke a dumela gore o a itse gore e tlaa re mo bekeng e e tlang ampo mo dibekeng tse pedi tse di tlang, re bo re ya go rola matlo a le 14 kwa Tsabong.

Matlo a ke a a tlaabong a nna mapodise rraetsho.


Ke ntse ke one maiteko a rona re le lephata.

Re tlaabo re ntse re bula jaaka ke ne ka bua, re bula police posts.

Honourable Lesedi o buile ka police posts, ka gore re ne re mo neela police post.

Ke dumela gore le Mr Chairperson o ne a bua, re ne ra mo neela police post maloba.

Bagaetsho, ke utlwile dikgang tsotlhe.

Honourable Segokgo, rraetsho, ke a leboga.

O buile ka kgang e ya Legal Practitioners Act.

Legal Practitioners Act e diegilenyana.


E ne e le keletso ya rona gore tota re ka bo re setse re e tlisitse mo Palamenteng.

Ke na le tumelo ya gore e tlaa re ka July re bo re e dira because re a itse gore re tshwanetse gore e fete gore Batswana ba sireletsege.

Le bone diagente le lawyers ba nne mo tshireletsegong e e siameng.

O buile ka tsa anti-human trafficking gore o leboga ka fa re tsamayang ka teng.
Rraetsho, re tlaa nna re ntse re tswelela re bereka thata go tlisa melao e e tlaa kganelang ba ba gwebang ka batho ba bangwe le bana.

Private security companies; rraetsho, re leka gore re tsenye maranyane a o itseng gore re tshwaragane le ministry wa gago.

Ke lwela thata private security gore melao ya teng e tlhamalale.

Ke dumela gore private security ke nngwe ya dilo tse di ka re thusang ka fa sepodiseng.
The more security guards ba rutuntshitswe sentle, ba itse go lebelela, le mapodise ba ka kgona gore ba bereke le bone.

Batho ba fa ba tshwaragane, ba ka kgona go fokotsa borukutlhi fela thata.

So, ke sone se o bonang re leka go... HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification Rre Mmusi, ke a kopa.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ke sale ke e kopile.


50 Hansard No 205Tuesday 22nd March, 2022ORGANISATION 2500 – MINISTRY OF DEFENCE, JUSTICE AND SECURITYCommittee of Supply (Resumed Debate) MR MMUSI: Mma re tsenye Motsamai pele o bo o tsena.

MR MOTSAMAI: Clarification.

O tlaabo o nkutlwa eng?

Ke ne ke re Tona ke utlwa o ntse o bua le ba bangwe o ntse o re jaaka maloba re go neela police post kwa bokete, ra boa ra neela yo mongwe kwa bokete.
Rra, kana o a itse gore fa ke bua mo Palamenteng, kana ke kwadile makgetho a mantsi ke itshuputsa ke kopela kgaolwana ele ya Metsimantsho, e e leng service centre ya dipolase.

MR MMUSI: Mma Monnakgotla le ene a akgele.

OF MINISTER LOCAL ASSISTANT GOVERNMENT AND RURAL DEVELOPMENT (MS MONNAKGOTLA): Clarification.

Ke a leboga Mr Chairperson.

Tona, go na le private security gompieno jaana se se hirilweng ke Puso mo clinics tsa Kgalagadi North le mo sepateleng sa Hukuntsi, mme ga se duele batho.

Go a tweng?
Go a tweng?

Go dirwe jang?

Bana bale ba na le three months ba sa amogele.

Ke ikuetse kwa lephateng gore bana bale ga ba amogele.

Ke dira jang ka security company e?

MR MMUSI: Rraetsho, ke utlwile Honourable Motsamai.

Re tlaa nna re ntse re buisana Honourable Motsamai.

Mma Monnakgotla, kana tota rona re bereka go ntsha licences.

Fa batho ba comply ka licences, re a di ba neela.

Go hira ga go duela go ya kwa Lephateng la Khiro.


Ke bone ba e leng gore they handle challenges tsotlhe tsa khiro mmaetsho.

Ke raya gore rona fa ba comply ba na le sengwe le sengwe se e leng gore re a se tlhoka sa gore ba kgone gore ba nne le licence, re nna re e renew.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification.

MR MMUSI: Go na le motho yo o tsamaisang Palamente golo fa.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification Mr Chairperson.

MR CHAIRPERSON: It is me.

Let us have order please.


Honourable Minister, if you have got nothing to do, please move, otherwise tlogela go nna o hesa batho.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification.

You cannot move.

MR MMUSI: Ke arabile dikgang tse di neng... HONOURABLE MEMBER: Nneela Honourable Mmusi.

MR MMUSI: Bona, Mmolotsi, lesa go nna go bua e kete o kwa .. HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ke Boko, a ko o re fe foo re tlhatswe kgang nngwe ya bofelo e o neng o e bua.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Mpha foo.


MR CHAIRPERSON: Order please!

Order!

You speak through me Honourable Mmusi.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ke gore Mr Chairperson o gana motho a re neela?

MR CHAIRPERSON: Order!

MR MMUSI: Mr Chairperson, this concludes my presentation of the 2020... (interruptions) ... for the Ministry of Defence, Justice and Security.
I therefore request the sum of Eight Billion, Five Hundred and Twenty-Five Million, Four Hundred and Thirty-Five Thousand, Three Hundred and Twenty Pula (P8 525 435 320.00) under the Recurrent Budget for Organisation 2500 be approved and stand part of the Schedule of the Appropriation 2022/2023 Bill and that the sum of One Billion, Six Hundred and Seventy-Seven Million, Seventeen Thousand, Three Hundred and Five Pula (P1 677 017 305.00) under the Development Budget for Organisation 2500 be approved and stand part of the Estimates for the financial year 2022/2023.
I move accordingly.

I thank you Mr Chairperson.

Question put and agreed to.

ORGANISATION 2200 –MINISTRY OF YOUTH EMPOWERMENT, SPORT AND CULTURE DEVELOPMENT MR CHAIRPERSON: Honourable Members, please note that two hours 50 minutes has been allocated to this organisation and I shall call upon the Honourable Minister to reply to the debate at 1630 hours tomorrow and the question will be put at 1700 hours.

Honourable Minister, please talk to your budget.


MINISTER OF YOUTH EMPOWERMENT, SPORT AND CULTURE DEVELOPMENT (MR RAKGARE): Ke a leboga Modulasetilo, ke lebogela sebaka se o re se fileng.

Ke dumedise gape Motlotlegi Modulasetilo.


Ke supe Mr Chairperson and Honourable 51 Hansard No 205Tuesday 22nd March, 2022ORGANISATION 2200 –MINISTRY OF YOUTH EMPOWERMENT, SPORT AND CULTURE DEVELOPMENTCommittee of Supply Members how privileged I feel today to present the Ministry of Youth Empowerment, Sport and Culture Development’s budget proposals for the financial year 2022/2023, under Organisation 2200, before this Honourable House.
Honourable Members will agree with me that 2021 was a difficult year due to the COVID-19 pandemic and its negative impact on the youth, sport and culture sectors.

Young people could not congregate and engage or socialise, artists could not host shows and earn income.

Sport was suspended and athletes could not play for almost two years.

However, I wish to thank the leadership of our country for their strength and resolve in dealing with the pandemic.
The high rate of vaccination has enabled opening of the entertainment and sport industries to revellers and spectators.

Artists and athletes are now able to ply their trade and earn a living.

Mr Chairperson, under the 2021/2022 Recurrent Budget, the ministry was allocated Nine Hundred and Forty-Two Million, Three Hundred and Seventy-Nine Thousand, Seven Hundred and Sixty Pula (P942 379 760).
From this amount, Six Hundred and Eighty-Eight Million, Three Hundred and Five Thousand, Nine Hundred and Ninety-Seven Pula (P688 305 997), which is 73 per cent of the approved budget, had been spent as at 16th March 2022.

This is despite suspension of most programmes as movement and gatherings were prohibited under health regulations.
For this financial year, the Development Budget allocation was Fifty-Three Million, Six Hundred and Thirty-Five Thousand Pula (P53 635 000) which was reduced to Twenty Million, Six Hundred and Thirty-Five Thousand Pula (P20 635 000), to cater for critical needs associated with the COVID-19 pandemic, representing a 61.5 per cent reduction of the original budget.
Eight Million, Fifty-Three Thousand, Five Hundred and Sixteen Pula and Three Thebe (P8 053 516.03) representing 39 per cent of the budget was spent, as at March 2022.

Expenditure is generally low, but should improve as the COVID-19 situation also improves.

YOUTH EMPOWERMENT Mr Chairperson, the youth cohort constitutes the majority of our population.
Unfortunately, our youth continue to face challenges of unemployment, poverty, drugs and substance abuse, as well as Human Immunodeficiency Virus/Acquired Immunodeficiency Syndrome (HIV/ AIDS), among others.

The youth unemployment rate of 32.4 per cent (according to the Quarterly Multi-Topic Survey of Quarter 4, 2020) is currently the greatest concern of our Government.
A multi-pronged approach is required to create employment opportunities for youth and Batswana in general, hence the implementation of entrepreneurship programmes, affirmative action initiatives and job preparedness through internship.

YOUTH POLICY To establish the relevance, efficiency and effectiveness of the Revised National Youth Policy 2010 and acknowledging emerging challenges, our ministry partnered with United Nations Development Programme (UNDP) in 2020 to review the policy.
The consultancy work started in March 2021 and is expected to be completed before April 2022.

ENTREPRENEURSHIP The 2021/2022 financial year was a difficult and disruptive year, due to COVID-19 pandemic.

Youth economic empowerment programmes were disrupted as safety and compliance to COVID-19 protocols had to take precedence.
Following the call for new Youth Development Fund (YDF) proposals applications for the 2021/2022 financial year, the ministry received a total of 8 383 YDF applications, out of which 831 applications were approved for youth businesses at the value of P81.8 Million.

An amount of P79.8 Million has been disbursed to youth as at February 2022.

A total of 24 appeals have been received which are likely to drive the figures upwards.
The priority sectors for funding were manufacturing, technology and innovation, tourism and agriculture value chains.

As members would be aware, YDF funding is a half grant and half loan arrangement.

Young people are expected to repay their loan component to enable Government to sustain the programme and for them to demonstrate responsibility and accountability.

A total of P4 632 739 against an annual target of P4 Million was paid back by youth businesses as the loan component for their funded projects.
This is encouraging Mr Chairperson, considering the negative impact of the pandemic on many youth businesses.

We also continued to monitor funded projects and supported some of the YDF beneficiaries with the provision of operational spaces, capacity building and marketing.

A total of 1 133 businesses were visited for monitoring across the country against an annual target of 1 220.
52 Hansard No 205Tuesday 22nd March, 2022ORGANISATION 2200 –MINISTRY OF YOUTH EMPOWERMENT, SPORT AND CULTURE DEVELOPMENTCommittee of Supply Although most of the youth businesses are struggling due to the economic impact of the pandemic, we are encouraged by some young people who have remained steadfast and committed to their businesses.

To this end, we would like to highlight the following 10 businesses for special recognition as evidence of the success of YDF.
Mr Chairperson, I must say that it is not only these 10 businesses.

There is a lot of them that I would like to share, but due to time constraints, I just want to confine myself to these 10.

We have: • Ronreag Investments – Toilet Hire (Gumare), • Zwekethubojwa and Sons – Waste Management (Shakawe), protocols, regular testing and exclusion of spectators.

However, as the disease situation improved, spectators were allowed to attend sporting events towards the end of 2021.
Sports Legislation The Botswana National Sport Commission (BNSC) Act (2014) is currently under review with the intention of coming up with a Sport Act that will address all issues that are critical in the development of sport, and establish sport as a sector that can meaningfully contribute to the development of our economy.

Drafting instructions have been submitted to the Attorney General, and a draft Bill is expected to be tabled before Parliament in July 2022.
• Tap and Die Investments – Auto Spares (Seronga) Women’s African Cup of Nations 2022 –Honourable Kapinga • Precious Guest House (Tlokweng) – Honourable Segokgo.

• Sugar Nails – Beauty Therapy (Tlokweng), • REECA Travel and Tours (Gaborone), • Chidzanani Pharmacy (Francistown), • Copza Weaner Production – beef production (Ghanzi), • Blue Colour Wheel – Day Care Centre (Kasane), • LA Signature Bed and Breakfast (Francistown), and many others.
YOUTH VOLUNTEER PROGRAMMES Mr Chairperson, Government continues to administer programmes aimed at alleviating the unemployment challenges faced by the youth.

Volunteer programmes continue to be made available with the objective of providing the youth with opportunities for meaningful engagement and preparing them for the world of work.
SPORT AND RECREATION Mr Chairperson, the Sport Sector has been greatly affected by the COVID-19 pandemic resulting in limited activity for almost two years, where only National Teams were active.

The health risk together with the strict health protocols for athlete’s safety made playing very challenging.
It was only in August 2021 that local sport programmes could fully return to play, under strict health safety Mr Chairperson, I am proud as a ministry and as a Government to inform Honourable Members that the Senior Women’s National Football Team; the Mares, have qualified for the Women’s African Cup of Nations 2022.

The team was rewarded with a qualification bonus of P537 500.00 by Government, and an additional P300 000.00 from Lucara Botswana to be shared amongst them.
The finals will be held in Morocco in July this year.

I am optimistic that Honourable Members will give our ladies support.

This is a great achievement by the Mares and an important sporting breakthrough for our women in sport.

I wish to congratulate the team for this gift to Batswana.

The team will receive all the support it needs for their preparation and participation.
Olympic Games Mr Chairperson, 14 athletes qualified for Tokyo 2020 Olympic Games that were postponed to be held in July and August 2021.

As Members, would all be aware, the 4x400m Men’s Relay Team won a Bronze Medal and has since been rewarded with a two bedroomed apartment each, at a total cost of about P2, 6 million.

We will strive to continue to motivate National Team Athletes.
To this end, the Incentives and Rewards Policy for National Team Athletes (2012) has been reviewed and the new policy should come into effect on 1st April 2022.

I need to correct this Mr Chairperson, it is actually not policy but an Incentives and Rewards Package.

In fact, I am happy to share that yesterday Cabinet agreed with the ministry that this has to be passed mme re letse re dumalane Mr Chairperson, ka boitumelo jo bo kalo.
53 Hansard No 205Tuesday 22nd March, 2022ORGANISATION 2200 –MINISTRY OF YOUTH EMPOWERMENT, SPORT AND CULTURE DEVELOPMENTCommittee of Supply Proposed AFCON 2027 Bid through Mr Chairperson, Botswana Government Botswana Football Association (BFA) has expressed interest in bidding to co-host the 2027 Africa Cup of Nations with the Republic of Namibia.

Preliminary discussions have been initiated with our Namibian counterparts, and they have considered the proposal favourably.
Once details have been worked out and the necessary clearances made, an announcement on the outcome will be made.

Clearly, hosting a continental event of this status has significant cost implications, but also positive economic and sporting benefits.

Arts and Culture Mr Chairperson, you will recall that in the past two years, the creative sector continued to experience challenges due to restrictions on gatherings as we battled control of the COVID-19.
Arts and Culture Programmes Mr Chairperson, despite challenges posed by COVID-19 in the creative industry sector, it is pleasing to note some performance milestones and achievements in the sector.

In the 2021/2022 financial year, the ministry implemented a number of programmes that included Phase 1 Cross Country Recordings, Independence Day Celebrations Video Recordings, participation in Expo 2020 Dubai, NOW!

Channel Television content acquisition and capacity building for the arts among others.
Mr Chairperson, the Cross Country Recordings were undertaken in two phases; Phase 1 in June and Phase 2 in July/August 2021.

National Arts Council of Botswana (NACB) Mr Chairperson, following the passing by Parliament of the National Arts Council of Botswana (NACB) Act in September 2020, we are happy to inform this Honourable House that the council is taking shape.

The Board was appointed in August 2021, followed by the development of the organisational structure.
Recruitment of the Chief Executive Officer (CEO) and other leadership positions is ongoing, with a target of the beginning of May 2022 for the positions to be filled.

The rest of the staff is expected to report for duty by August 2022.

Budget Proposals 2022/2023 Recurrent Budget Estimates Mr Chairperson, allow me to now present my ministry’s 2022/23 budget proposals, starting with the Recurrent Budget.
I request the sum of Nine Hundred and Sixty Four Million, Nine Hundred and Sixty-Four Thousand and Sixty Pula (P964, 964, 060.00) for the Recurrent Budget, which represents an increase of 2.4 per cent, compared to the 2021/2022 approved budget.

The amount requested will be broken down as follows: Headquarters I request Six Hundred and Ninety-Two Million, Nine Hundred and Fifteen Thousand, Nine Hundred and Fifty Pula (P692, 915, 950.00) for ministry headquarters.
This request represents an increase of 3.4 per cent, compared to this financial year’s approved budget.

The largest share of the budget which is One Hundred and Eighty-Five Million, Twenty-Five Thousand, Three Hundred and Fifty Pula (P185, 025, 350.00) will go towards payment of salaries and operations.
The Botswana National Sports Commission and Botswana National Olympics Committee will get the next largest share of the budget under headquarters, amounting to One Hundred and Sixteen Million, One Hundred and Ninety-Eight Thousand, Three Hundred and Seventy Pula (P116, 198, 370.00).

This will cater for both their operations, facilities maintenance and forthcoming international sport competitions.
Mr Chairperson, One Hundred and Four Million Pula (P104, 000, 000.00) is requested for the Youth Development Fund (YDF).

Twenty Seven Million, One Hundred and Fifty Thousand Pula (P27, 150, 000.00) is required for Schools Sport Programme.
Twenty Million, Nine Hundred and Thirty-Six Thousand Pula (P20, 936, 000.00) is required for Constituency Sports Tournaments, while Constituency Arts Competitions will require Eighteen Million, Twenty-Five Thousand, Five Hundred Pula (P18, 025, 500.00) and Seventeen Million, Nine Hundred and Ninety-Nine Thousand Pula (P17, 999,000.00) will be used for President’s Day Competitions.
Mr Chairperson, since I do not have time, this concludes my presentation of the 2022/2023 Recurrent and Development Budget requests for my Ministry of Youth Empowerment, Sport and Culture Development.
I therefore move that the sum of Nine Hundred and Sixty- Four Million, Nine Hundred and Sixty-Four Thousand and Sixty Pula (P964, 964, 060.00) under Recurrent Budget for Organisation 2200 be approved and stands part of the Schedule of the Appropriation (2022/2023) Bill, and that the sum of Forty-Seven Million, Five Hundred and Seventy Thousand, Two Hundred and 54 Hansard No 205Tuesday 22nd March, 2022ORGANISATION 2200 –MINISTRY OF YOUTH EMPOWERMENT, SPORT AND CULTURE DEVELOPMENTCommittee of Supply Twenty-Five Pula (P47 570 225) for Organisation 2200 under the Development Budget be approved and stands part of those Estimates for the financial year 2022/2023.
I move accordingly Mr Chairperson.

Thank you very much.

MR CHAIRPERSON: Thank you my wonderful Minister.

Thank you for saving us four minutes.

The matter is open for debate.

Honourable Baratiwa Mathoothe.

MR MATHOOTHE (SEROWE NORTH): Thank you Mr Chairperson.

Mma fela ke se ka ka dia sebaka, le nna ke nne le mafoko a ke tlaa a buang mo pegong e e sa tswang go buiwa ke Tona wa Banana.

Ke tlhalose gore ministry o ke mongwe ya ministries tse di leng very sensitive.
Di tshwanetse ka dinako tsotlhe tsa tsewa ka matsetseleko ka gore ke ministry o o itebagantseng thata le the future of this country fa re bua ka banana.

Re tshwanetse ra ba aga, ra ba tsenya mo seemong se e leng gore ke bone baeteledipele ba ba tsogang ba re goga.
Mma ke simolole gongwe ke bue ka ya Youth Fund gore kgang e go thusiwang banana jalo go ikopela madi ba ye go dira ditiro tse ba ka tlhamang mebereko ba tlhamela ba bangwe, pele fa go ka ntshiwa madi one a, mo gongwe re tshwanetse re lebele gore jaaka re tlaabo re ba neela madi jaana ke dife projects tse di setseng di le dintsi kana di tumile thata mo e leng gore fa re tswelela re ba fa fund, di tlaa felela e le gore jaanong ba felela ba sena market.
Ke tsaya gore ministry o tota, o tshwanetse to facilitate an environment e o ka kgonang gore o lemotshe banana some other projects tse e leng gore gongwe are different from tse ba ntseng ba di ntshetsa madi.

Fa o ka lebelela thata bogolo kwa magaeng, kwa metseng, o fitlhela e le gore re itsheegile thata ka temothuo.

Ke dingwe tsa projects tse ba tshwanetseng gore ba di lebelele bogolo jang fa re bua ka feeds tsa dikgomo, go dira animal feed production.
Ke dingwe tsa areas tse ba tshwanetseng gore ministry o o ba sosoetse kana o ba rotloetse gore ba tsene mo dikgannyeng tsa go nna jalo.

O tlaa fitlhela e le gore mo malatsing a gompieno, Batswana ba reka feed mo dikomponeng tse di ba turisetsang feed ya dikgomo.

Ke dingwe tsa opportunities tse di teng, tse re tshwanetseng ministry wa di lebelela thata, wa rotloetsa banana mo go tsone.

Kgang e nngwe e ke ka fetang ka yone, ka e supa ke gore kana ministry o o ngatha gongwe le gongwe mo ministries tsotlhe.
Every ministry o o leng teng mo Goromenteng wa Botswana, o feta teng.

Jaaka ke ne ke bua jalo ka go dira dijo tsa dikgomo, kgang e e neng e buiwa kwa Ministry wa Agriculture, ya go dira inventory ya dipolase tsotlhe tse Goromente a nang le tsone tse a sa di diriseng, ministry o o tshwanetse gore o nne gaufi thata le kgang eo, kana o nne o botsa gore go tsamaya fa kae gore re tle re dire an opportunity ya banana ba gompieno jaana, kwa dikgaolong ba tlhaelelwang ke fa ba direlang teng.
Fa ke ka go fa sekai, mo kgaolong ya me, go na le ba ba neng ba ntshetswa madi ka project ba le four ya horticulture e ba dirang sentle thata.

Re ne ra felela e le gore re le Village Development Committee (VDC) ya kgaolo e e mo Serowe North, ra ba neela plot ya gore ba direle foo.

Ba ntse ba a gola, ba tlhokana le gore ba gole go feta foo.
Jaanong gongwe go simolola re lebelela jalo ditsha kana mafelo a a sa dirisiweng, ba ka kgona gore ba tswelele gone koo, gore re se ka ra ba lebelela fela gore nnyaa, re ba ntsheditse madi, re bo re sa ba sale morago, re bona gore ba dira ka tsela e e ntseng jang.

Fa o ka lebelela fa re bua ka unemployment, ke bone ba ba tshabelelwang thata ke go tlhoka ditiro, jaanong re tshwanetse ra nna le seabe se setona.
Fa o ka lebelela jaaka ke ne ke bua ke re across the ministries, ba tsena gongwe le gongwe, fa o gongwe o tsaya seemo sa ka kwa Sepodiseng, o fitlhela e le gore bontsi jwa Special Constables, ba hirwa e le banana, mme fa o re o lebelela diemo tsa bone tsa tiro, ke tse di ngomolang pelo, mo ba neelwang dikonteraka tsa bo two years.
I think the Ministry of Youth, o tshwanetse go leka ka bojotlhe to advocate gore batho ba gongwe go botlhokwa thata gore ba neelwe dikonteraka tsa bo five years gore e le banana, ba tle ba kgone gore ba itirele mo go leng botoka.

Ke dingwe tse ministry o tshwanetseng go lebelela gore o ka thusa ka tsela e e ntseng jang.

E re fa re ntse re bua dikgang fa, le bone ba bo ba ntse ba re eteletse pele, ba bua ka dikgang tsa go nna jaana.
O fitlhela e le gore bontsi jwa banana, fa gongwe ba na le gore ba bo ba na le dikompone tse ba di kwadisitseng.

Dikompone tse ba di kwadisitseng, ba ntse ba leka gore ba nne ba ikopele ditiro mo tenders, ba Ministry wa Investment, fa re bua ka annual returns tsa dikompone, di kwa godimo.

Fa di le kwa godimo jaana monana a sa bereke, a tshwere kompone fa, o patelesega gore ngwaga le ngwaga, a bo e le gore ba ntsha one ma P300.00 ao.
Letsatsi le a tlodisitseng, kompone eo go tlaabo gotwe jaanong a tle a duele P2 000.

Kgang e e tshwanetse go lebelelwa fa re bua ka banana gore kana ba a bo ba leka 55 Hansard No 205Tuesday 22nd March, 2022ORGANISATION 2200 –MINISTRY OF YOUTH EMPOWERMENT, SPORT AND CULTURE DEVELOPMENTCommittee of Supply gore le bone e re fa ba ntse ba dira tenders jaana, ba kapetse golo gongwe.
Jaanong fa go sena sepe se ba se bonang, mme a bo e le gore ba duela annual returns tsa dikompone ka madi a a kanakana, I think the ministry o tshwanetse go lebelela kgang eo ya gore gongwe a ba buelele gore ditlhwatlhwa tsa bone gone foo, di tle di ye kwa tlase.
Fa o ka lebelela mo ministry o o eteletsweng ke Honourable Molale, o fitlhela e le gore gone fa go buiwa ka ditiro tse di fiwang bogolo jang kwa Botswana Housing Corporation (BHC), fa gotwe matlo a BHC a ya go agiwa kwa Serowe, Palapye kana gope fela mo lefatsheng la Botswana, dikompone tse di tswang kwa ntle di tla go aga matlo a two beds fela; go neelwa dikompone tsa maChina.

Tsa Batswana e bile fa gongwe bontsi jwa tsone e le tsa banana, di a itlhokomolosiwa.
Ke dingwe tse ke tsayang gore ba ministry, fa ba ka lebelela dintlha tseo, ba bona gore ministries tse tsotlhe di dira eng se gongwe di beelang banana kwa thoko, mo ba palelwang ke gore ba sutelele.

Ke dingwe tsa dikgang tse fa a ka di lebang ka tsela e e ntseng jalo, banana mo lefatsheng la Botswana, ba ka kgona gore ba thusiwe ka gore ke bone ba ba tshabelelwang ke dilo tse dintsi le mathata.
Le gompieno jaana, jaaka o bona o bua ka borukutlhi, o fitlhela e le gore banana ba amega thata, e le ka mabaka fela a gore ga go na gope kwa ba ka berekang teng.

Jaanong o fitlhela e le gore ba felela ba tsene mo mathateng one a. Fa re ka leka jalo, ra leba all the opportunities tse di leng teng mo lefatsheng la Botswana, re ka kgona gore gongwe ba bone ditiro, borukutlhi le jone bo fokotsege.
Mo gongwe mo o ka fitlhelang go tshabelela banana gape ke kgang ya gore mo lefatsheng la Botswana, ke lengwe le fa re bua ka dithubetso, le kwa godimo thata.

Fa o lebelela, batho ba ba amegang thata go feta gone fa ke banana.

Mo o fitlhelang ditsheko tsa dithubetso tse banana ba dirisitsweng ka tsela e e seng yone, di tsaya nako e telele gore makgotla a di seke.
Ke dingwe tse ke tsayang gore fa o di lebelela, ba tshwanetse ba ikatumetse thata le Rre Mmusi gore fa dikgang tse di ntseng jaana, tse di amang banana, di tshwanetse ra bona batho ba teng e le gore ba tseelwa dikgato, ba a sekiswa ka gore mo lefatsheng la Botswana, bogolo mo kgaolong ya me, re fitlhela e le gore thubetso e ile thata kwa godimo.
Ke dingwe tse fa o utlwa ke bua jaana, ke bua gore ministry o o sensitive thata, o tlhokana le gore dilo tsotlhe tse di dirwang mo go one, di bo di tsewa ka matsetseleko a a rileng ka gore re a bo re aga tšhaba ya kamoso.

Fa o lebelela gape dikgang tsa badiragatsi, re tshwanetse ra di tsaya ka tlhoafalo e e kwa godimo.
Fa o tsaya kgaolo e re tswang kwa go yone ya Serowe le Palapye, o fitlhela e le gore go batla facilities tse di rileng, tse di dirilweng ke Goromente, kwa ba ka kgonang go dira recordings tsa bone gore ba tle ba kgone go itepatepanya le ba mafatshe a sele.

Jaanong facilities tsone tseo, ga re batle go bona e kete di bonala fela mo Gaborone, ke gone kwa e leng gore go tlaa dirwa teng.
Fa o tsaya lefatshe la Botswana, go tshwanetse gore di bonale kwa bo Kasane, Francistown le Shakawe gore gone moo gape go ka dira gore banana ba se ka ba tlala thata mo toropong ka gore facilities tsa go nna jalo, ba tlaa di bona kwa ba leng teng gore ba tle ba develop ditalente tsa bone.

E bile ke supe jalo gore ke amogela kgang e go tlaa lekwang thata go itshwaraganya le ba Namibia gore re tle re tshegetse dingwe tsa tournaments tse ditona.
Gongwe fa re ka dira jalo, di tlaa felela e le gore le rona re le tšhaba ya Botswana, re tsena mo mmepeng, re kgona gore le rona re tshegetse events tse ditona.

Ke se ka ka dia nako Mr Chairperson, ka gore nako ya me e setse e tsamaile.

Ke one mafoko fela a ke neng ke re ke a bue ka bokhutshwane jo bo kalo.

Ke a leboga.

MR CHAIRPERSON: Le rona re lebogile rraarona Motlotlegi Mopalamente wa Serowe Bokone.

Tanki Rraagwe Melisa.


Jaanong sebui sa tlotla se se latelang ke Motlotlegi Rraetsho Mopalamente Simon Nkosana Moabi, Rra Angela.

MR MOABI (TATI WEST): Ke a leboga Mr Chairperson.

Ke a leboga Mokhurutshe.

Ke tle ke go dumedise, ke dumedise bakaulengwe Mapalamente.

Bodiredi jo bo fano, ke tle ke le dumedise.

Batswana ka kakaretso ke le dumedise.


Mr Chairperson, le nna ke lebogele tshono e ke e filweng e gore ke tle ke eme nokeng, gongwe mo tshimologong, ke supe fa ke ema nokeng Tona ka kopo e o sa tswang go e re baya pele.

Ke nngwe ya ministries tse di anameng.

Ke ministry o mogolo.

Ke ministry o e leng gore jaaka mongwe a sa tswa go supa, o tsenelela ministries tse dingwe tse o fitlhelang dinako tse dingwe, ba tlhokana, fa ke lebile ka fa go ntseng ka teng.
Fa go ntse go tsweletse dingwaga tse di tlang jaaka gongwe go sena madi, ke nngwe ya ministries tse re ka di lebelelang, ra e kgaoganya gabedi, gongwe ga nna le Ministry of Youth le Ministry of Arts, Culture and Sport, ke lebile ka fa o tshwereng bokete ka teng Tona, ka fa o anameng ka teng.
56 Hansard No 205Tuesday 22nd March, 2022ORGANISATION 2200 –MINISTRY OF YOUTH EMPOWERMENT, SPORT AND CULTURE DEVELOPMENTCommittee of Supply Ke tle ke simolole jaana Mr Chairperson, ke akgole Tona mo go tse dingwe tse a di dirileng, e bile a di dira jaana e le dingwe tse e reng o lebelela manifesto wa rona, re ne re supa ka nako ya fa re ya ditlhophong gore re tlaa di diragatsa.

Sekai, Arts Council.


Ke batla gore ke go leboge Tona go bo re na le Arts Council, e re tswang kgakala re bua ka yone mme e sa diragale.

E rile o tsena mo ofising, wa e diragatsa.

Gongwe ke santse ke le mo Arts Council, jaaka ke kile ka supa ke re a re lebelele diofisi tsa headquarters ya teng, re e ise Francistown, re se ka ra nna re bonela dilo tse dintsi fela mo Gaborone Mr Chairperson.

Mr Chairperson, re bone Tona maloba o ntse o etela projects tsa banana.
O rotloetsa banana, re a go leboga ka fa o di etelang ka teng le bone ba a rotloetsega.

Fa o ntse o di etela jalo Mr Chairperson, a ko o lebelele le tse di oleng di sa dire.

A re se ka gongwe ra etela tse di siameng kana tse di dirang fela.

Ke a go leboga, o tsile Masunga, o etetse banana o bone mo kgaolong ya me, a re tlholeng tse gongwe di sa tlholeng di dira.

Re tlhole gore mme di ka tswa di digilwe ke eng, matsapa di ka tswa di a tsaya kae, re ka baakanya fa kae.
Constituency Tournament; re a e lebogela ka go le lebaka e seyo.

Library e o neng o e bula semmuso e e kwa Masunga kwa Bokone Botlhaba, re a leboga Tona.

Youth Policy le yone re a e lebogela, e o supileng gore go lebaka e dirilwe and e setse e tlodilwe ke nako, ke lebogela ka fa o supileng ka teng gore e tlaa tla mo bogautshwaneng.

Tona, ke batla ke go leboge, re bone maloba o ile Dubai, dipuo tse di neng di buiwa ke bangwe ka fa ba neng ba bua ka teng, di se ka tsa go kgoba marapo.
O ne o ile kwa o etse go batlela lefatshe ditshono.

Fela se ke ka se go rayang ke gore re bone o tsaya banana ba rona, badiragatsi ba ba neng ba ile go rekisa mmino wa lefatshe la rona.

Ke dingwe tse ke batlang go go lebogela tsone Tona.

Mr Chairperson, gongwe ke tseye sebaka se gape ke leboge monana Miss Botswana, yo re boneng a ile go emela lefatshe la Botswana.

A sa emela lefatshe la Botswana fela, a emetse Southern Region le Africa tota.

Ke go leboge Tona.
Ke go leboge Tona.

Ka fa ke neng ke bona dikgang di buega ka teng mo maranyaneng, a gongwe structure sa Miss Botswana o tle o nne le seabe kana ministry o nne le seabe mo go sone.

Ka fa dikgang di neng buega ka teng, re ka tswa re itumetse gore ngwana o ne a ile go re emela, mme ka fa di neng di tswa ka teng ka fa go tsamaileng ka teng, re le Batswana re ka tswa re sa itumela.

Tsenya leitlho thata jaaka fa re bona fa Zebras e tshameka, ministry wa gago re o bona o ema ka dinao.
Fa Miss Botswana le ene a dirile jaana, a structure se agiwe ministry wa gago o le mo teng Mr Chairperson.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Fa a ka bo a fentse, Rakgare o ka bo a itsaya senepe le ene.

MR MOABI: Ministry o o na le dikgwetlho, banana ba lebanwe ke dikgwetlho tsa ditiro Mr Chairperson.

Ba tshwere ditlankana di mo matlong, di na le 10 to 15 years.
Go utlwisa botlhoko Mr Chairperson, fa re bona banana ka fa ba ntseng ka teng, ga gona ditiro tse di kalo, mme re ikaegile ka agriculture gore gongwe re ka lebelela agriculture ya nna yone e e ka re fang botshelo.

Jaaka ke supile gore ministry wa gago o tsaya ministries tse dingwe, a ko o nne fa fatshe le ba Agriculture, le bone gore le ka dira ka tsela e e ntseng jang gore agriculture e nne attractive.
Banana ga se gore ga ba rate go lema le go rua, seemo se agriculture e leng mo go sone, akanya o le monana o bo o ya go nna at the farm, kwa go senang motlakase le maranyane.

Ke dingwe tse ke eletsang gore gongwe banana ba rona jaaka go sena ditiro jaana, re ka lebelela dikgang tsa mofuta oo, ra rotloetsa gore ba tsene mo agriculture.

A Agriculture le yone, e se ka ya nna agriculture fela ya bogologolo.
Re lela ka ditiro tse ke sa tswang go di supa, fa o ka lebelela diteraka tse di tsayang motlhaba kwa Mahalapye Mr Chairperson, di 86 ka palo ke di badile maloba, Batswana ba 12 mo teng, bontsi di kgweediwa ke batswakwa.

Fa o ka lebelela bana ba rona ga ba na ditiro, mme re letlelela batswakwa go tla go kgweetsa diteraka.

Go kgweetsa teraka ga ke bone e le tiro nngwe e e ka palelang monana mo lefatsheng la rona.

Tona, ke batla dikgang tse o tle di lebelele, o nne fa fatshe le wa lephata le le maleba.
Ditereka tse le di bonang di tsaya motlhaba tse, a ko re di tlhole, di kgweediwe ke Batswana, bana ba rona.

Ga re gane re maAfrica rotlhe, mme se se salang o ka se fe mongwe tiro, wa gago a ise a bone tiro.

O lebelele dikgang tseo Mr Chairperson.

In the boards Mr Chairperson, ke a bona mme fela ga go a lekana.

Our boards tse re di dirang re lebeleng banana, ba gongwe ba ka tswang ba fetilwe ke dingwaga, a ba ye go itapolosa.
A banana ba fiwe ditshono in the boards tse di teng kwa e ka reng ba bereka, ba bone dithebenyana teng Mr Chairperson.

Banana ba lebanwe ke letlhoko la lefatshe, ke go kope Tona o nne fa fatshe le Tona yo o lebanyeng le tsa lefatshe.

Banana ba fiwe tshono fa monana a kopile 57 Hansard No 205Tuesday 22nd March, 2022ORGANISATION 2200 –MINISTRY OF YOUTH EMPOWERMENT, SPORT AND CULTURE DEVELOPMENTCommittee of Supply setsha, a se ka a nna lebaka le le kanakana a sa bona setsha.
Gongwe there should be a certain percentage reserved for young people ya ditsha, fa e le gore ke 25 per cent jaaka le dirile at the tenders, a go nne le this 25 per cent reserved for young people gore fa batho ba kopile plots di le 300, a 25 per cent wa ditsha di beelwe banana.

Re tle re e lebelele kgang ya mofuta oo Mr Chairperson.

YDF; re a leboga ka fa o supileng ka teng gore you have approved 831, re a itumela.
Tona, golo gongwe, ke batla gore re tle re e lebelele, ke palo e re ka tswang re e itumelela, mme tota kgang ga se palo, kgang ke gore projects tse re di fang banana... HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification.

MR LEUWE: Clarification.

Thank you Mr Chairperson, thank you Honourable Moabi.

O e tshwere sentle, bogolo jang ya go beela banana ditsha rraetsho, ke dumalana le wena.

Kgang ke gore fa o re 25 per cent, ke bona e le kwa tlase ka gore re dumela gore ba ba setseng ba le bagolo, ba nale ditsha already.
At least e nne 75 per cent, gona le gore e nne 25 per cent jaaka o bua, ka gore re solofela gore bagolo ba bo ba setse ba na le ditsha.

Ke a leboga.

MR MOABI: Ke dumalana le wena sentle, ke a leboga Honourable Leuwe.

Ke kopa nako foo Mr Chairperson.

Go ntse jalo tota fa re lebile letlhoko la banana... MR CHAIRPERSON: One minute.

MR MOABI: Kgang ya projects ka fa di ntseng ka teng, dipalo re a di bona di kwa godimo Mr Chairperson.
A re lebeleleng boleng jwa projects, re se ka ra lebelela gore re oketsa dipalo.

Gore a mme tota lenaneo le le dira se e rileng kwa tshimologong ra batla go se dira.

Lenaneo le e rile le simolola, e ne e le gone le ya go direla banana ditiro, banana ba itirela ditiro.

Ka fa go ntseng ka teng, a re lebeleleng gore 831 o ya go hira banana ba le kae.

Fa e le gore gongwe go hira banana ba le babedi in one project, a mme go dira se re se batlang.

Re tle re e lebelele eo Mr Chairperson.


Ya bofelo fa ke wela ke kgang ya Botswana National Youth Council (BNYC).

Mr Chairperson, BNYC ga re e bone, Tona a ko ba e tsose, o bone gore e ka dirwa ka tsela e e ntseng jang gore e ye kwa dikgaolong, e se ka ya nna BNYC e re e bonelang mo dipampiring kana mo diromamoweng.

A e ye kwa dikgaolong, banana ba kgaolo ya me le bone ba eletsa go bona BNYC e ba etetse, e supa se e se dirang Mr Chairperson.
Tona, jaaka re kile ra ya rotlhe kwa Masunga wa bona Masunga Stadium ka fa se ntseng ka teng, a e re jaaka ke go ema nokeng mo kopong ya gago ya madi e, lebelela gore a mme stadium sa Masunga a ga se ka ke le sone sa bona tshono ya gore se tle se ye go baakanngwa ka madi a re a rebolang.

Kgang ya youth centers fa ke wela le yone, a re di lebeleleng jaaka banana ba simolodisa dikgwebo ba sena lefatshe fa ba direlang teng.
A banana ba fiwe tshono ya go dirisa youth centers go simolola businesses tsa bone, go fitlhelela ba kgona gore ba ka bona lefatshe ba bo ba ka ya go itirela.

Ke a leboga Mr Chairperson, ke a leboga Tona.

MR CHAIRPERSON: Thank you Honourable Member for Tati West.

Honourable Wilhelmina Nnaniki Tebogo Makwinja, Mmaagwe Tshidi.

ASSISTANT MINISTER OF BASIC EDUCATION (MS MAKWINJA): Ke a leboga Mr Chairperson.

Ke a leboga batlotlegi.

Mr Chairperson, ke akgole Tona mo pegong e ya gagwe.
Ke mo eme nokeng gore madi a a abetsweng, a kgone go a bona.

Mr Chairperson, jaaka o itse, mo kgaolong ya me mathata a mantsi.

Bontsi jwa nako ke bua ka mathata a ditsela, dikokelwana jalojalo.

Tota ga ke nke ke nna le sebaka sa go bua ka dilelo tsa bana ba kgaolo.

Kgaolo e jaaka o e itse, ditlamelo tsa teng di kwa tlasetlase fela thata mme e le mo Gaborone.

Mmopane o mo Gaborone le Kopong fela jalo, ke metse e e gaufi thata le toropo ya rona e tona.
Go tlhoka ditsela ga teng Mr Chairperson, jaaka dipula di bo di na jaana, ke selelo le khuranyo… MR SPEAKER (MR MOATLHODI): Order!

Order!

Honourable Minister, e tlaare kamoso ke tlaa go fa sebaka Motlotlegi Mmaetsho Mothusa Tona gore selelo le khuranyo ya meno seo o se bue.

Bakaulengwe ba gago ba tle ba go thuse le Modimo Rara a go reetse gore o emele batho ba ba go tlhophileng ka manontlhotlho.

Tomorrow at 8 o’clock, there shall be a Business Advisory Committee meeting.
Please, all those that sit on this committee, let us be on time.

Be at your offices by exactly 8 o’clock because we shall be virtually operating.

As it is now 6 o’clock, I shall call upon the Leader of this House, His Honour the Vice President (VP) to move a Motion of adjournment.

MOTION ADJOURNMENT 58 Hansard No 205Tuesday 22nd March, 2022ORGANISATION 2200 –MINISTRY OF YOUTH EMPOWERMENT, SPORT AND CULTURE DEVELOPMENTCommittee of Supply LEADER OF THE HOUSE (MR TSOGWANE): Thank you Mr Speaker.
Mr Speaker, pele ga ke sutisa, kamoso o tlaa gakologelwa gore o solofeditse Mma Makwinja gore o tlaa mo okeletsa nako.

Ka go rialo Mr Speaker, mma ke tseye sebaka se, ke kope batlotlegi gore ba go letle gore Ntlo e, e eme gone fa.

Question put and agreed to.
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