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THE SECOND MEETING OF THE THIRD SESSION OF THE TWELFTH PARLIAMENT THURSDAY 31 MARCH 2022 MIXED VERSION HANSARD NO: 205 THE NATIONAL ASSEMBLY SPEAKER The Hon.

Phandu T. C. Skelemani PH, MP.

DEPUTY SPEAKER Hon.

P. P. P. Moatlhodi, MP.

(Tonota) Clerk of the National Assembly Deputy Clerk of the National Assembly Acting Learned Parliamentary Counsel Assistant Clerk (E) His Excellency Dr M. E. K. Masisi, MP.

His Honour S. Tsogwane, MP.


(Boteti West) CABINET - President - Vice President - Ms B. N. Dithapo - Mr L. T. Gaolaolwe - Advocate L. O. Tlhowe - Mr R. Josiah Hon.

K. N. S. Morwaeng, MP.

(Molepolole South) - Minister for Presidential Affairs, Governance and Public Administration Hon.

K. T. Mmusi, MP.

(Gabane-Mmankgodi) - Minister of Defence, Justice and Security Hon.

Dr L. Kwape, MP.

(Kanye South) - Minister of International Affairs and Cooperation Hon.

K. K. Autlwetse, MP.


(Specially Elected) - Minister of Local Government and Rural Development Hon.

K. S. Gare, MP.

(Moshupa-Manyana) - Minister of Agricultural Development and Food Security Hon.

P. K. Kereng, MP.

(Specially Elected) - Minister of Environment, Natural Resources Conservation and Tourism Hon.

Dr E. G. Dikoloti MP.

(Mmathethe-Molapowabojang) - Minister of Health and Wellness Hon.

T.M.

Segokgo, MP.

(Tlokweng) - Minister of Transport and Communications Hon.

K. Mzwinila, MP.
K. Mzwinila, MP.

(Specially Elected) - Minister of Land Management, Water and Sanitation Services Hon.

T. M. Rakgare, MP.

(Mogoditshane) - Minister of Youth Empowerment, Sport and Culture Development Hon.

A. M. Mokgethi, MP.

(Gaborone Bonnington North) - Minister of Nationality, Immigration and Gender Affairs Hon.

P. O. Serame, MP.

(Specially Elected) - Minister of Finance and Economic Development Hon.

F. M. M. Molao, MP.

(Shashe West) - Minister of Basic Education Hon.

Dr D. Letsholathebe, MP.


(Tati East) Hon.

L. M. Moagi, MP.

(Ramotswa) - Minister of Tertiary Education, Research, Science and Technology - Minister of Mineral Resources, Green Technology and Energy Security Hon.

M. Kgafela, MP.

(Mochudi West) - Minister of Investment, Trade and Industry Hon.

M. R. Shamukuni, MP.

(Chobe) - Minister of Employment, Labour Productivity and Skills Development Hon.

E. M. Molale, MP.

(Goodhope-Mabule) - Minister of Infrastructure and Housing Development Hon.
D. M. Mthimkhulu, MP.

(Gaborone South) - Assistant Minister, Presidential Affairs, Governance and Public Administration Hon.

S. N. Modukanele, MP.

(Lerala -Maunatlala) Hon.

T. Monnakgotla, MP.

(Kgalagadi North) Hon.

M. M. Pule, MP.

(Mochudi East) Hon.

M. S. Molebatsi, MP.


(Mmadinare) - Assistant Minister, Local Government and Rural Development - Assistant Minister, Local Government and Rural Development - Assistant Minister, Local Government and Rural Development - Assistant Minister, Agricultural Development and Food Security Hon.

S. Lelatisitswe, MP.

(Boteti East) - Assistant Minister, Health and Wellness Hon.

N. W. T. Makwinja, MP.

(Lentsweletau-Mmopane) - Assistant Minister, Basic Education Hon.

B. Manake, MP.
B. Manake, MP.

(Specially Elected) - Assistant Minister, Investment, Trade and Industry Hon.

H. B. Billy, MP.

(Francistown East) Hon.

A. Lesaso, MP.

(Shoshong) - Assistant Minister, Youth Empowerment, Sport and Culture Development - Assistant Minister,Tertiary Education, Research, Science and Technology MEMBERS OF PARLIAMENT AND THEIR CONSTITUENCIES Names Constituency Hon.

L. Kablay, MP.

(Government Whip) Letlhakeng-Lephephe RULING PARTY (Botswana Democratic Party) Hon.

Dr U. Dow, MP.

Hon.


P. Majaga, MP.

Hon.

M. Balopi, MP.

Hon.

J. S. Brooks, MP.

Hon.

C. Greeff, MP.

Hon.

T. Letsholo, MP.

Hon.

T. F. Leuwe, MP.

Hon.

T. Mangwegape-Healy, MP.

Hon.

Dr T. Matsheka, MP.

Hon.

S. N. Moabi, MP.

Hon.

P. K. Motaosane, MP.

Hon.

O. Regoeng, MP.

Hon.

J. L. Thiite, MP.


Specially Elected Nata-Gweta Gaborone North Kgalagadi South Gaborone Bonnington South Kanye North Takatokwane Gaborone Central Lobatse Tati West Thamaga-Kumakwane Molepolole North Ghanzi North OPPOSITION (Umbrella for Democratic Change) Hon.

D. Saleshando, MP.

(Leader of the Opposition) Hon.

M. G. J. Motsamai, MP.


(Opposition Whip) Maun West Ghanzi South Selebi Phikwe West Mahalapye East Sefhare-Ramokgonami Ngami Okavango Maun East Bobonong Selebi Phikwe East Palapye Nkange Mahalapye West Francistown West Hon.

D. L. Keorapetse, MP.

Hon.

Y. Boko, MP.

Hon.

Dr K. Gobotswang, MP.

Hon.

C. K. Hikuama, MP.

Hon.

K. K. Kapinga, MP Hon.

G. Kekgonegile, MP.

Hon.

T. B. Lucas, MP.

Hon.

K. Nkawana, MP.

Hon.

O. Ramogapi, MP.

Hon.

Dr N. Tshabang, MP.

Hon.

D. Tshere, MP.

Hon.


M. I. Moswaane, MP.

Hon.

T. S. Khama, MP.

Hon.

L. Lesedi, MP.

Hon.

B. Mathoothe, MP.

Hon.

M. Reatile, MP.

(Botswana Patriotic Front) Serowe West Serowe South Serowe North Jwaneng-Mabutsane Hon.

W. B. Mmolotsi, MP.
Francistown South (Alliance for Progressives) TABLE OF CONTENTS THE SECOND MEETING OF THE THIRD SESSION OF THE TWELFTH PARLIAMENT THURSDAY 31ST MARCH, 2022 CONTENTS PAGE (S) QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER..............................................................................................................25-32 LEADER OF THE HOUSE’S QUESTION TIME..........................................................................................17-24 GOVERNMENT BILL Standing Committee on Remuneration (Members of the National Assembly, Councillors, Ntlo Ya Dikgosi and Specified Offices) Bill, 2022 (No.
5 of 2022) First Reading..........................................................................................................................................................1 Motion to Proceed on a Bill as a Matter of Urgency.........................................................................................1-4 PRIVATE MEMBER’S BILL Corruption and Economic Crimes (Amendment) Bill, 2021 (No.
27 of 2021) Second Reading....................................................................................................................................................33 MOTIONS Business Motion........................................................................................................................................................24 Adoption of the Minerals Policy, 2022 Motion (Resumed Debate)................................................................................................................................5-15 Adoption of the Botswana Intellectual Property Policy (BIPP), 2021 Motion..................................................................................................................................................................16 Motion (Resumed Debate)...............................................................................................................................33-49 Adoption of the National Quality Policy for Botswana (NQP), 2021 Motion.............................................................................................................................................................50-52 Thursday 31st March, 2022 THE ASSEMBLY met at 11:00 a.m. (THE SPEAKER in the Chair) P R A Y E R S * * * * MR SPEAKER (MR MOATLHODI): Good morning Honourable Members.
Now that we are fully quorated, let us start the business of today Honourable Members with the presentation of a Government Bill.

First Reading PRESENTATION OF A GOVERNMENT BILL The following Bill was presented and read a first time.

STANDING COMMITTEE ON REMUNERATION (MEMBERS OF THE NATIONAL ASSEMBLY, COUNCILLORS, NTLO YA DIKGOSI AND SPECIFIED OFFICES) BILL, 2022 (NO.
5 OF 2022) (Minister for Presidential Affairs, Governance and Public Administration) MOTION TO PROCEED ON A BILL AS A MATTER OF URGENCY FOR MINISTER PRESIDENTIAL AFFAIRS, GOVERNANCE AND PUBLIC (MR MORWAENG): Mr ADMINISTRATION Speaker, I beg to move that the Bill be heard as a matter of urgency in accordance with Standing Order 72.3.

MR SPEAKER: Order!

Order!

Honourable Members, nnyaa, wena nama o eme pele Rraarona Motlotlegi Rraetsho Tona.
Jaanong kgang ke e tsaya ke e neela Batlotlegi Mapalamente, ke tlaa dira ba le bane, mongwe le mongwe wa bone ke mo neela two minutes, gore a ba dumalana le wena Motlotlegi Rraetsho Tona kana ba ganana le wena.
Batlotlegi Mapalamente, kana jaanong go raya gore kgang ke e neele lona, e bile ke bona fa ke lebang teng, ke bona Motlotlegi Rraetsho Mopalamente wa Maun West, Honourable Dumelang Saleshando, yo e bileng e le Motlotlegi Moeteledipele wa Kganetso, o ya go latelwa ke Motlotlegi Mopalamente wa Nata-Gweta.

MR SALESHANDO (MAUN WEST): Ke a go leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente.
Ke tsaya gore go botlhokwa gore ba ba ka tswang ba reeditse Palamente gompieno, ba itse gore fa go dirwa molao, melao yotlhe e bewa fa pele ga setšhaba e gatisiwa (publish) jaaka one o o gatisitswe ka di 25 tsa ga March, go bo go fiwa setšhaba nako ya gore mongwe le mongwe o ka sekaseka molao oo, a o lebelela gore go raya eng mo matshelong a gagwe e le Motswana.

Gompieno se Tona a se kopang ke gore, o molao o a o se ka wa letlelelwa go nna le nako ya gore setšhaba se o sekaseke.
A o dirwe ka lepotlapotla.

Go na le mathata nako le nako, ga se gantsi ke dumalana le melao e gotweng ke come-on, come-on, a re direng ka bonako re lelekilwe ke tau.

Gompieno re bua ka molao o o yang go bua ka dituelo le mabaka a tiro a Mapalamente.

Fa e le rona re dira melao e e re amang, e e amang dituelo tsa rona, setšhaba se bo se utlwa gotwe Palamente ya re e batla go diriwa ka lebelo le le kwa godimo, nna fa ke ne ke se Mopalamente, ke ne ke tlaa tshwenyega.
Ke ne ke tlaa batla go reetsa thata, gore ke eng Mapalamente ba re e e ba amang, re ntse re ba reeditse nako e yotlhe ba dira melao, o o ba amang gompieno o dirwe ka lepotlapotla, Rre Morwaeng ga a ntsha mabaka a gore fa o ka se ka wa dirwa ka lepotlapotla go senyega eng.

Ga a bua le fa e le lebaka le lengwefela.

O rile fela o kopa go rontsha setšhaba sebaka sa gore ba lebelele molao o, a re o dire ka lebelo le le kwa godimo.
Nako le nako fa molao gotwe o dirwe ka lebelo le le kwa godimo, Batswana ba tshwenyege, e bile jaanong fa go tliwa ka molao o o itebagantseng le ditshwanelo kana dikamogelo tsa Mapalamente, ba bo ba re a re direng ka lebelo le le kwa godimo, fa ke ne ke se mo Palamenteng ke le kwa ntle, ke ne ke tlaa tshwenyega, ke ipotsa gore ba re go rileng.

Ke eng ba sa dire se se tlwaelesegileng, ke eng ba sa re letlelele ra sekaseka molao o?
Ke eng ba sa letlelele civil society le yone ya sekaseka go bona gore a mme se re reng re a se itirela, a ke se se siametseng setšhaba se, a ke se se tlaabong se ntse se siame 10 years from now, a se tlaabo se santse se siame 20 years from now?
Kana jaanong re lebile gore dipata tsa rona di phunyegile, re dira ka bonako ka gore re batla gore di ye go rokiwa, go tsene sengwe mo go tsone, mme Batswana ba bangwe ba le mo mathateng, ba re itseng gore Matona a tsere tshwetso ya go tswala dikgwebo tsa bone, ba ba tshwanang le ba ba neng ba rekisa, ba tshetsa bana ba bone ka go ithekisetsa dilo di tshwana le dichips mo mebileng.

Go tswetswe, gatwe ba tlaa bonwa after two years.


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5 OF 2022) MOTION TO PROCEED ON A BILL AS A MATTER OF URGENCY Mapalamente, re mo lebelong ra re rona re bueng ka bonako.

E bile ke itumelela gore go tlaa latela Rre Majaga yo e rileng maloba go buiwa gore ga go na ditapole, batho ba mo mathateng, a re, ao!

dichips-nyana fela.
dichips-nyana fela.

Re tle re utlwe gore a jaanong fa e se dichips-nyana fela e le dituelo, a gone go tshwanetse go dirwe ka bonako.

Ga ke dumalane le kopo ya ga Rre Morwaeng.

Ke a leboga.

MR SPEAKER: O tlaa lemoga gore ke go tlogetse fela wa bua le nako ya gago e tšhaile, ka tshisimogo e ke go e neelang rraarona.

Ke ka bo ke ne ke ntse ke go kgaupeditse ka lebaka la nako, but ka tshisimogo, e bile o gakolotse sentle thata, ke lengwe la mabaka a a dirileng gore ke go tlogele.
Ke tseela gore ke tlaa boela fa moragonyana, ke neele Motlotlegi Rraetsho, le le Mapalamente, le na le temana e le ratang go nna le re mong wa leso, mong wa leso ke tlaa mo neela six minutes gore a itlhalose.

Motlotlegi Rraetsho Saleshando o gakolotse sentle thata.

Motlotlegi Rraetsho Tona, ke tlaa go neela six minutes gore o itlhalose, mme ke kopa gore o tsepame.

leboga Motsamaisa MR MORWAENG: Ke a Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente.
Mr Speaker, the Bill has not matured, I agree, as it was only published in the Botswana Government Gazette on the 25th March, 2022.

Even though it has not reached its maturity, the Bill is not new to members of this House.

This Bill if you recall Mr Speaker, it was debated some time back.

This House will recall that this Bill was withdrawn to enable me to carry out further consultations on it.

LEADER OF THE HOUSE (MR TSOGWANE): Point of procedure.
Ke a itse gore Mr Speaker, ga se gore go ka tswa go dule mo tseleng go le kalo, mme go ka tswa mo tseleng fa o lebile seemo se re buang ka sone.

Motlotlegi Saleshando o buile sentle gore mo tebegong ya setšhaba, go tla ka Bill ka diamaramara go ka se ke go nne sentle, e bile Tona ga a ntsha mabaka.

Ke ne ke tsaya gore Motlotlegi Saleshando o ne a raya gore, Batswana kwa ntle ba utlwe gore mabaka ke eng.
Jaanong Mr Speaker, fa o letlelela mo kgannyeng e e ntseng jaana, gore re bo re ya go tswa re bua ka Sekgoa, Batswana ba re reng ba utlwe mabaka kwa, a mme ba tlaa felela ba a utlwile.

Kana go tlaa bo go ipuela rona ka kwano le ba ba tlaa utlwang.
Ke kopa gore fa go ka kgonagala motlotlegi, ka go buiwa ka mabaka a Batswana ba tshwanetseng gore ba a utlwe kwa, a Rre Saleshando a kopileng gore gongwe fa a ne a ka a baya Batswana ba utlwa, ka ke motho yo o tlhomameng e bile o itse Setswana go feta bontsi jwa rona ba re leng fa.

Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.


MR SPEAKER: Kgakololo ya gago e tlhomame Motlotlegi Moeteledipele wa Ntlo e. Motlotlegi Rraetsho Tona, ga go tlhokafale gore ke ranole mafoko a ga Motlotlegi Moeteledipele wa Ntlo, o utwile, ke kopa gore o tsepame ka Setswana.

leboge Mothusa MR MORWAENG: Mma ke Mookamedi, go re a bo ntshitse kgakololo e e ntseng jalo, ke leboga thata.
Molao-kakanyetso o gompieno re tlang ka one fa, re kopa gore o tsene ka tsela e o tsenang ka yone, ke Molao- kakanyetso o o kwadisitsweng ka di 25 tsa ga March monongwaga, mme e se la ntlha ke tla ka one fa pele ga Ntlo e ya Palamente.

Molao-kakanyetso o, o kile wa tla o tlisiwa ke nna ka sebelebele mo Ntlong e ya Palamente, mme ra buisana ka one.

Pele fa go buisanngwa ka one, wa anamisiwa jaaka Motlotlegi Saleshando a re go siame go ka bo go dirilwe jalo.
O ne wa anamisiwa mo setšhabeng le mo Gazette batho ba o leba, ba o bala.

Ka bokhutshwane, batho ba ile ba fiwa sebaka sa gore ba o bone, wa bo wa tla mo Ntlong e ya Palamente.

Ga se gore ke Molao-kakanyetso o ke tlang ka one e le la ntlha, nnyaa ke kile ka tla ka one, batho le Mapalamente ba a o itse.

E bile ke ile ka tsaya maikarabelo ke le Tona yo o maleba gore, re bue ka Molao o kwa General Assembly.
Ke rerisitse Batlotlegi Mapalamente ba ba emetseng batho ka Molao-kakanyetso o. Ka tsela eo, ga se Molao o ke tlang ka one ka tshoganetso batho ba sa itse ka one.

O tsamaile ka ditsetlana tsotlhe tse di beilweng.

Ntlha e nngwe e ke ka fetang ka yone ke gore, kana Molao-kakanyetso o jaaka re bua, o bua ka Mapalamente, ba Ntlo ya Dikgosi, Makhanselara le Specified Officers, mme o bua ka conditions of service tse di ileng tsa lebiwa la bofelo ka 2018.
Gongwe ntlha e nngwe e ke ka fetang ka yone ke gore, motlotlegi a se ka a tlhoma matlho fela mo dikgannyeng tsa dituelo, re bua ka working conditions tsa Mapalamente, ba Ntlo ya Dikgosi, Specified Officers le Makhanselara.

Ke ne ke kopilwe gore ke ye go dira consultation, ka go ne go lemotshega gore ke ne ke tlhoka go tsaya mabaka a mangwe fale le fale.

Ke ile ka e dira consultation eo kgotsa go tsaya mabaka fale le fale, ka bua le ba ke buang le bone.
Jaanong ke tsena mo Ntlong e e tlotlegang e gompieno ke itshetletse sentle, ke tlhaloganya sentle contributions tsa ba bangwe kgotsa tse ba bangwe ba buang ka tsone.

Ka tsela eo go botlhokwa gore re o tlise ka tsela e, ka gore go ya ka nna, o tsamaile ka stages tsotlhe.

Se Motlotlegi Moeteledipele wa Kganetso a buang ka sone ke re nnyaa, ga go a nna jaaka morwarre a bua.
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5 OF 2022) MOTION TO PROCEED ON A BILL AS A MATTER OF URGENCY Ke kopa ka boikokobetso gore, Ntlo e e fano e dire kopo e ya me ya gore re lebe kgang e. Ga se la ntlha ke tla ka Molao-kakanyetso o.

Re setse re o buile, batho ba a itse ka one, Mapalamente ga gona yo o tshoganediwang ka one.
Ke a leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente.

MR MAJAGA (NATA-GWETA): Ke a go dumedisa Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente.

Ke dumedise Batlotlegi Mapalamente le Batswana ka kakaretso.

tsa Palamente, Molao- Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo kakanyetso o I think o dirilwe ga nna gararo.

Molao- kakanyetso o o tswa from the Eleventh Parliament, o tla ka Tona Molale.

Ke ene yo o dirileng gore Specified Officers, Makhanselara, Mapalamente le bape fela ba bo ba le mo seemong se ba leng mo go sone se.
Gongwe nako eo bangwe ba ne ba seo.

Wa tla, Honourable Tona wa gompieno rraetsho Morwaeng gazetted it jaaka go lebane, o ne o le mo Ntlong e, Batswana ba o utlwile.

Wa emisiwa ka tsamaiso e e neng e le teng gore, go dirwe committee, re se ka ra bua dituelo tsa rona ka bo rona, ka gore re mo Ntlong e. Molao-kakanyetso o ga e ye kwa le kwa, o batla chips o batla metsi o batla eng.
Le lona Makhanselara le reetse ka koo, e a bo e tlaa re nako e tsena bangwe re latolane mo dilong tse di le tshwanetse Magosi le Specified Officers le rona re le Mapalamente.

Jaanong nako e tlile ya gore committee e o e nne teng.

Maloba go ne go tsogile tlhatlharuane, Makhanselara ba sa tlhalosediwe dingwe sentle tse di neng di felela o kare di lotlhanya mapolotiki; Mapalamente le Makhanselara.
Jaanong fa go dirilwe committee e, ke yone e e tlaa sekasekang dituelo tsa Mapalamente, Specified Officers and Makhanselara, yone koo e seng rona re dira.

Fa Molao-kakanyetso o, o ne o supa gore Mapalamente ba batla gore ba okelediwe ka bokana, go kwadilwe, re ka bo re re nnyaa mme gongwe setšhaba se ka se bo se bone dilo tseo nako e sale teng.
Jaanong ga o bue jalo, e kopa fela gore go nne a committee e e tlaabong e sekaseka all working conditions associated with these cadres ba e leng Mapalamente, Specified Officers le Makhanselara.

Ga ke bone e ka re mo nakong tse di thata, re bo re sa letle gore re bua ka Bill e e ye kwa e tshwanetseng teng.

Gongwe ke gone fa bangwe e tsamayang e ba tsietsa teng.

Tona, e tshwanetse go tla ka nako eo ka bo urgency joo, ka gore it has been pending for some time.
E ye go baakanya tse di tshwanetseng batho ba bangwe.

Le rona ga go re beye sentle gore re nne re bua ka dikatso tsa rona, mafatshe a mangwe in the Southern African Development Community (SADC) Region in Africa, ba na le thulaganyo eo.

Ke a kopa gore a golo moo re go fetise, the committee be formulated re ye kwa pele re lese tse dingwe.

Tse dintsi di tlaa tla ka nako ya tsone, Modimo o a itse, ga gona le fa e le mathata.

Re tlaabo re le teng.

Ke a leboga.


MR MMOLOTSI (FRANCISTOWN SOUTH): Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

Le nna fela jaaka Honourable Saleshando a bua, e re ntswa Molao-kakanyetso o o kile a goroga mo Palamenteng before, Rre Morwaeng withdrew molao o a ngadile, a ngaletse gore re le Mapalamente re ne re ntsha megopolo ya rona ka fa re neng re akanya ka teng, e bile a batla gore re bue molao ka fa ene a batlang gore o buiwe ka teng.
Ka nako eo re ne re ntse re bua kgang e ya gore, tota fela gago tlhokafale gore Molao-kakanyetso o o ntseng jaana o tle ka Certificate of Urgency, because there is nothing urgent about it.

Mr Speaker, gore re bua eng does not matter, ka gore ga gona letsatsi lepe le Botswana Democratic Party (BDP) e kileng ya re reetsa, ga gona letsatsi lepe le e reng fa re bua ba tseye gore go na le se re se buang se se ka fetolang sepe.
Ka tsela e e ntseng jalo, jaaka re sa dumalane le gore molao o o tla ka Certificate of Urgency, we know gore Honourable Morwaeng le team ya gagwe ba tlaa o fetisa, re rata kana re sa rate, ka gore ba re ga re buse le bone.

Gape Honourable Morwaeng o tshwanelwa ke go tlhaloganya gore, ga a ka ke a rua ditlhaloganyo tsa rona, re tlaa tswelela re bua se re se batlang le se re sa se batleng.

Mr Speaker, ga re a tshwanela gore e nne o kare jaanong re magogoshane, re bakopi.
Go batliwa gore re tle go khubama fa pele ga ga Rre Morwaeng.

Setšhaba se a itse gore go ne go na le koketso ya dituelo tsa babereki botlhe ba ga Goromente.

Rre Morwaeng o ne a tsaya tshwetso ya gore Mapalamente ga ba tsene mo koketsong eo, e le lantlha go diragala mo ditsong tsa Palamente le lefatshe la Botswana.

Rre Morwaeng a bo a tla ka komiti e e tlaa lebang dituelo tsa rona gore batho ba se ka ba re, re a ipuelela.
A paletswe ke go diragatsa molao o o teng mo tsamaisong wa gore Mapalamente ba tshwanetse go direlwa adjustment ya inflation.

I have lost respect yotlhe fela e ke neng ke na le yone mo go Honourable Morwaeng.

Ka tsela e e ntseng jalo, Batswana ba tshwanelwa ke go itse gore Mapalamente ba ne ba kgethololwa.

Ke bone fela ba e leng gore e rile maloba go ntshiwa 6 per cent, ba bo ba swelelwa ka gore go batliwa gore ba tle ba khubame fa go Rre Morwaeng.
Ka mafoko a a kalo, ke lebogela ka fa rre yo a re tsayang ka teng.

Ga ke dumele gore molao o, o fete ka certificate of urgency.

Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

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5 OF 2022) MOTION TO PROCEED ON A BILL AS A MATTER OF URGENCY HIS HONOUR THE VICE PRESIDENT (MR TSOGWANE): Tanki Mr Speaker.

This is a very interesting day Mr Speaker.


Ke lengwe la malatsi a a tlaa tsenang mo ditsong tsa Palamente e. Batswana ba tlaa lemoga gore ke lengwe la malatsi a gotweng fa Motswana a re, “go iphitlha ka monwana,” o a bo a raya eng.

Motswana o a tle a re, “phomphokgwe yo o maithukutho mabe, o iphatlha ka lefuka e le la gagwe,” o a bo a bona se se buiwang ke Motlotlegi Saleshando le Motlotlegi Wynter Mmolotsi.
Ga go na ope yo o sa itseng ditso tsa Palamente e. Ga go na ope yo o sa itseng selelo sa Mapalamente ka fa ba ntseng ba lela ka teng ba re madi a bone ga a kalokalo.

Ga go na ope yo o sa itseng gore molao o fa o tlaa fetoga jaana, e ne e le gore Mapalamente fa go nna le dikokeletso, ba fetisa molao mo Palamenteng o ba o buisanyang e le bone fela gore ba ikokeletse.

Puso e, ya bona gore seemo sa go ikokeletsa ga se a siama, a go nne le lekoko le le tlaa sekasekang dilo tse ka fa go tshwanetseng.
Ba sekasekile sentle itsholelo gore a mme go a tshwanela gore Mapalamente a bone dikokeletso mo ngwageng o, kgotsa jang.

Ke sone se Tona a tlileng ka molao o, go dumalanwe jalo gore go nne le komiti.

Se re yang go se bua fa Tona a se tlisitse, ga se se se sa dumalanwang.

Ke raya gore Batswana ba itse gore go na le dingwe tse di buiwang mo Palamenteng le tse dingwe tse ba kopanang e le Mapalamente mo gotweng General Assembly.
Pele ga Tona a tlisa molao kwano, o a bo a buile le Mapalamente dintlheng tsotlhe.

E bile gompieno se ke se utlwang, tota ga ba gane gore komiti e nne teng, ba iphitlha ka monwana gore Tona o tlisa molao ka diamaramara.

E tlaare ke fetsa, ke kope Tona gore, o se ka wa dira gore setšhaba se tsiediwe ke batho ba sa bue se se mo dipelong tsa bone.

Fa e le gore Rre Mmolotsi o bona gore o tshaba lepotlapotla, a molao o boele kwa morago o ye go tla ka nako e e tshwanetseng.
Tlala e ba tshwenyang Tona malatsi otlhe ba re 6 per cent wa rona o kae, re a mmatla ga re a okeletswa, badirelapuso ba okeleditswe, ba a itse gore diphetogo ke gore go bo go na la komiti e re batlang e tlhomiwa gompieno.

Ga re a tlisa molao o gore go okeletswe Mapalamente madi, ra re a go tlhomiwe komiti e e tlaa nnang e sekaseka dituelo tsa bone… HONOURABLE MEMBER: Procedure Mr Speaker.

MR TSOGWANE: Nnyaa, ga go na sepe se o se buang Rre Mmolotsi o buile.
Jaanong ka ke rile a molao o bowe go dirwe se o se batlang, o tle ka nako e e siameng, ga o ka ke wa re o batla… HONOURABLE MEMBER: Procedure.

4 MR TSOGWANE: Mma ke bue.

Jaanong a molao o bowe, ga go na se se ka senyegang.

E tlaare ba ntse ba ya go tshwenya Rre Morwaeng kwa ntle kwa, le ene o tlaa bona gore a iketle, molao o tle ka nako ya one.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Procedure Mr Speaker.


MR SPEAKER: E ne e le gore ke ya go emisa Motlotlegi Moeteledipele wa Ntlo yo o mo floor ka gore nako ya gagwe e tšhaile.

MR TSOGWANE: Ke kopile gore a Tona a boele molao morago, ke felela ke rialo.

Ke a leboga.

HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)... MR SPEAKER: Order!

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Procedure Mr Speaker.

Mr Speaker, ke kopa procedure Mothusa Tautona o ne a ntsha Ntlo mo tseleng.

MR TSOGWANE: Mmolotsi!

Mmolotsi, lala ka ntho madi a tshologa nnaka.


HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Laughter!)...

O a e utlwa ne?

MR SPEAKER: Order!

Please I am conferring with my advisors, my legal brains.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Mme ke na le procedure Mr Speaker.

MR SPEAKER: Didimala pele Honourable Mmolotsi!

O a bo o tlaa re senyetsa moso.

…Silence… (MR FOR MINISTER PRESIDENTIAL AFFAIRS, GOVERNANCE AND PUBLIC ADMINISTRATION MORWAENG): Procedure.
Ke kopa o ntetle ka gore Motion o ke neng ke tla ka one jaaka ke ne ke supa kwa tshimologong, tota keletso ya rona e ne e le gore re o debate gompieno re tsaya gore ka o ne o setse o kile wa buiwa before.

Tota re o tlisitse, ke kopile fela gore re o buisanye gompieno.

Ke re ka gore views tse dingwe tsa re re se ka ra o discuss ka bofefo jo bo kalo, ke kopa gore o ntetle mongwame gore the urgency aspect of it, ke e withdraw ka gore jaaka batlotlegi ba bua, Motion o ga o urgent.
Rona tota jaaka ke ne ke bua, maikaelelo e ne e le gore go ye go dirwa committee jaaka Motlotlegi Mothusa Tautona a bua le molao o bua.

Hansard No 205Thursday 31st March, 2022STANDING COMMITTEE ON REMUNERATION (MEMBERS OF THE NATIONAL ASSEMBLY, COUNCILLORS, NTLO YA DIKGOSI AND SPECIFIED OFFICES) BILL, 2022 (NO.
5 OF 2022) MOTION TO PROCEED ON A BILL AS A MATTER OF URGENCY Ka a le kalo, ke kope gore ke sutise gore ke withdraw the urgency aspect of my Motion so that o tle o tsene fela mo tseleng, o tlaa tla ka nako ya one.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: O ele ruri Mokwena.

A o ele ruri, ga re o tlhoke.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: O ikope maitshwarelo gore o ne o re re raya o re urgent mme go sa nna jalo.

MR SPEAKER: Order!

Order!

I am going to put the question.

Honourable Members, the question is that the Motion be agreed to.
HONOURABLE MEMBER: Which Motion Mr Speaker, the withdrawal?

MR SPEAKER: The urgency part of it.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Mr Speaker, I think go tsile gore o re tlhalosetse Motion o re o tlhophelang so that rotlhe re itse gore re tlhophela eng?

A re tlhophela gore ga o urgent kana a withdraw?

He has moved, a o a withdraw?

Fa e le gore ke withdrawal, a e a tlhophelwa?

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ga nke e tlhophelwa, le fa o ka leka.

Re mo RESET Agenda, re ka reset fela ga go re sepe.
…Silence… HONOURABLE MEMBER: Go thata gompieno.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Re letela Gazette fela Motion o bo o boa.

Ga go tlhokege gore go buiwe sepe gape.

MR SPEAKER: A re reetsaneng batlotlegi!

Ga go na ntwa golo fa.

A ko re reetsaneng.

Our procedure ke gore once the urgency part of it has been taken away, the Motion has got to be tabled normally.

Honourable Minister, gakere you have moved?

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Procedure Mr Speaker.

…Silence… HONOURABLE MEMBER: A o ye go queue fela jaaka tse dingwe.
HONOURABLE MEMBER: A re thusanye procedure Mr Speaker.

MR SPEAKER: Order!

Order!

Now that the Honourable Minister has done what he did, the next question I have got to put upon him is when for discussion?

When for Second Reading Honourable Minister?

HONOURABLE MEMBER: O a withdraw go bo go tsenwa mo item e nngwe.

MR MORWAENG: Later date Mr Speaker, after it has matured.

Thank you.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: A re reset re gateleng pele.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: RESET Agenda.


HONOURABLE MEMBER: O urgent mo go nna Reggie, ke ne ke batla go jewa ke le nosi ke vote gore o tsene.

MR SPEAKER: Order!

Order!

The part that I have to explain to yourselves which I assume we all understood is that the part of the Motion that we want to get rid of is the urgency part of it.

Procedurally, the Minister has, as the Standing Order requires, retabled the Motion.
“The Motion to proceed with Bill under certificate of urgency,” this is the part that we are going to throw away and then… HONOURABLE MEMBER: Procedure Mr Speaker.

Second Reading-Later Date.

MR SPEAKER: Thank you very much, later date.

Thank you Honourable Minister.

We are going to release you.

Please have a safe journey to your office and thank you for your good staff that keep advising you.

Tlholang sentle bongwanaka.


ADOPTION OF THE MINERALS POLICY, 2022 Motion (Resumed Debate) MR SPEAKER: The debate on this Motion is resuming.

When the House adjourned yesterday, Honourable Molao was on the floor debating and he is left with 6 minutes 20 seconds.

MR SPEAKER: Mma pele re fetse tlhe rraetsho.

…Silence… HONOURABLE MEMBER: Mme ke mo go yone eo Mr Speaker, ke batla go thusa.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: O rile o kwa briefing somewhere Mr Speaker.
5 Hansard No 205Thursday 31st March, 2022ADOPTION OF THE MINERALS POLICY, 2022 Motion (Resumed Debate) MR SPEAKER: He is not in?

Do you have the list?

I need to refer to the papers that I normally talk to.

Thank you for telling us Honourable Minister that your colleague o kwa briefing.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Go na tsholeditseng ka fa.

le ba ba MR SPEAKER: Nnyaa rra, ga gona yo o tsholeditseng.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ke tsholeditse, Wynter o tsholeditse.
HONOURABLE MEMBER: Mr Speaker, kante letsatsi leno o a reng o kare ga o batle ke bua gotlhelele mo Palamenteng?

Ga ke bolo go tsholetsa.

Fa kere procedure o a gana gape.

MR SPEAKER: I have to confirm gore a go ne go na le list because I was not here.

My manager was presiding yesterday.

Fa ke ka dira go sena sepe jalo, Mmolotsi o tlaabo a ntlhasela gape.

Ga ke a tlela ditlhaselo fa, ke tletse tsamaiso ya tiro.
Now that Honourable Molao is not here, Motlotlegi Mopalamente wa Selebi Phikwe Bophirima shall take the floor.

MR KEORAPETSE (SELEBI PHIKWE WEST): Thank you Mr Speaker.

I think not many Members of Parliament are debating this.

If we go overboard, please bear with us.

I think the 10 minutes is too short.

We have been calling for Minerals Policy for a very long time, especially with a strong component of beneficiation.
Mr Speaker, at Page 37 of Umbrella for Democratic Change (UDC) manifesto, we pledged to move up the value chain across sectors and integrating into global value chains and act to arrest the export of jobs through unprocessed commodities.
We have been saying this over and over under the tagline, “bring back our jobs.” We need particular promise to develop beneficiation strategies for the minerals sectors, especially diamonds, coal, soda ash, nickel and copper and facilitate investment to domesticate jobs, technology and related intellectual property.

Mr Speaker, our is that beneficiation will diversify the economy and create jobs.
Since the discovery of minerals in recoverable quantities, the beneficiation was never a priority for this Government.

It was never considered until recently albeit in a somewhat halfhearted manner.

I think one of the notable beneficiation initiatives was the opening up of cutting and polishing of diamond factories, as well as the moving of the De Beers offices from London to the DTC Botswana (DTCB) to Gaborone.
Now for nickel and credit including copper that were mined in Selebi Phikwe and Francistown area before liquidation of BCL Investment and Tati Nickel, the country was exporting blister copper after conversion.

Mr Speaker, is important to note that what we did by mining concentrate or milling and smelting are not the only stages, we could have added more value and created more jobs.

Other stages like anode casting, electro refining and manufacturing have always been done elsewhere.
In other words, many Batswana would have been employed in Nickel and Copper Plant in Phikwe and Francistown, where anode casting, electro- refining and manufacturing would have been done.

So the Government saw nothing wrong with exporting jobs by allowing these processes to be carried out elsewhere.
internal financial We woke up very late, we are always playing catchup, but the requirements for acquiring a prospecting licence in our country is stringent and thus most locals, Batswana ba sekei ba ba tshwanang nna le wena Mr Speaker, do not meet the criteria.

For example, Batswana are required to produce a balance sheet in the region of millions just to get a licence for exploration.
In our humble view, an entity has to show technical ability to be granted a licence, which will then be used to look for investors.

This situation results in licences being held by foreigners because of these stringent measures.

Mr Speaker, Batswana do not have do not have money to start the process of owning a mine.

Our view is that, the policy must be such that Government would facilitate acquisition of loans in local, regional and institutions and/or provide guarantees to these roles.
Up to now it would appear that Citizen Entrepreneurial Development Agency (CEDA), National Development Bank (NDB) savings bank or any other Government creditor are not able to help Batswana to finance exploration and mining related activities.

Our view is that, we should help finance exploration and mining related activities.
There is a trend in terms of how minerals or mining rights are awarded, where a relatively small foreign entity in terms of experience and capital awarded rights, and then go to speculate in foreign markets to raise capital for exploration activities, and in some cases sell all the rights to a bigger and more established corporation after exploration, thereby cashing on betting on our minerals without having done much.
The examples that I have given in the past is the Premium Nickel Resources (PNR) at BCL and Reconn Africa.

They are relatively small companies when you look at mining industry and they are leveraging on the rights granted to them to speculate and raise money 6 Hansard No 205Thursday 31st March, 2022ADOPTION OF THE MINERALS POLICY, 2022 Motion (Resumed Debate) in foreign markets.
Mineral Development Company Botswana should assist Batswana to do this less complex process instead of leaving it to foreign entities.

Any Motswana can easily do this as long as they have that business acumen.

If you take a business man like Honourable Balopi, if you grant him mineral rights, he can easily go speculate and raise money in foreign markets and then own a mine.
Since the 1970’s Botswana has produced a lot of mining professionals, engineers, geologists, mineral processors, metallurgist etcetera and Honourable Minister good a good example himself.

We need to trill the policy to deliberately empower indigenous Batswana companies to be awarded these rights and have them also courting capital from Joburg Stock Exchange, US Stock Exchange, London Exchange etcetera.
Even better yet, perhaps the bigger pension fund can also invest with then and stop building First World countries with our pensions.

Our pension’s bigger percentage is invested elsewhere.

If the argument, is lack of skilled personnel and I would beg to differ, the citizen owned companies can recruit skilled foreigners to come and assist them.
We should seek to develop indigenous mining entities because some of these foreign companies holding rights exploration rights are just first timers, gambling in the stock markers with our minerals, with our resources.

Why can we not empower Batswana to deem past being a General Manager for PNR Botswana, a general manager for Debswana, a general manager for Karowe, Lucara or Khoemacau.

We need to dream past being a General Managers of foreign owned mine.
Another issue is that a certain percentage in our view, should be reserved for Government in all mining houses to safeguard the interest of both Government and employees.

Currently a company comes in mines, maximises profits and leave the country.

We should also capacitate the ministry that issues mining licences, because as I have indicated in the past there is apparent lack capacity.
If you look at Boseto Mine and Lerala Mine, pits were poorly designed Honourable Minister, I have complained about this before and the Department of Mines because of lack of capacity could pick it up.

This was done deliberately to maximise profits by mining the high grade portion of the mineralised zones.

In our view, before a licence is issued to start mining, the designs should be heavily subjected to technical scrutiny to check for fatal flaws.

Boseto and Lerala situations would have been avoided.
The Government should also come up with the industry technical people that look at these designs before licences are issued and we recommend a board.
On Reconn Africa Oil Exploration in the North West Okavango area, expectation of the Umbrella for Democratic Change when this whole thing started, was that Botswana Oil and Mineral Development Botswana would be partners from exploration all the way to production and refining to avoid a situation similar to Lucara, where we are now mulling acquiring a stake when the company’s stock is so expensive.
In Lucara, you would recall Honourable Minister, Government used to indirectly own 15 per cent shares of the mine through Debswana when it still own the prospecting licence.

Debswana sold the prospecting sold the prospecting licence to Lucara, because they believed it was a small venture for them to invest in and because of this Government lacks expertise and relied on Debswana, it let go of its interest in the licence, but year in, year out, big gem stones are discovered at Lucara.
The Government is only entertaining ideas for buying a stake in the mine when the share value is prohibitively exorbitant.

Had we remained shareholders we would be making lots and lots of bucks.

So Government should insist on having shareholding whilst oil prospecting is going on, so that by the time operation start, and money is coming in and share prices are high, we are already and investor rather than playing catchup.
We humbly submit as the Umbrella for Democratic Change (UDC) that after five decades it cannot be that all we want is to increase quantities of diamonds to cut and polish, there is not much value, I have indicated in the past, in cutting and polishing anyway.

That is why DeBeers and other serious players are not interested in that aspect.
We account for two our threes of DeBeers entire diamond production, yet we only own 15 per cent of DeBeers, why can we not push to acquire even up to 60 per cent controlling stake.

The UDC has no hope for a better deal with DeBeers under President Masisi Government.

His Government is the most ambitionless.


So Mr Speaker, that is my submission and I hope that the Minister takes these views into consideration, and also make the deal, the negotiations with DeBeers, the contract that we signed with DeBeers transparent.

Go and look at what the Saudis did with the Saudi Aramco and the Americans.

Now they own almost all rights to their oil with the Americans owning I think about 2 per cent of the largest oil resources in the world.
Why did we not go there as Botswana with our diamonds... MR SPEAKER: Your time is up.

7 Hansard No 205Thursday 31st March, 2022ADOPTION OF THE MINERALS POLICY, 2022 Motion (Resumed Debate) MR KEORAPETSE: I rest my case Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente ke go leboge.

MR NKAWANA (SELEBI PHIKWE EAST): Ke a leboga Mr Speaker, le nna ke tseye sebaka se go akgela in the policy e e tlang ka Tona Moagi.
Ke supe gore go botlhokwa thata gore fa re dira policy e se ka ya nna policy e e kwalwang ka ditlhaka fela, mme e le gore ga e implementable, e tlogetse Batswana kwa ntle ka mabaka a gore systems are not ready to facilitate average Batswana go kgona go tsena mo kgwebong e ya meepo.

Fa ke lebile meepo ya rona, ga ke a lebelela teemane le kopore fela, ke lebile ditswammung di le dintsi thata tse di tshwanang le letsoku le re itseng gore kwa mafatsheng ba a le fetola go dirwa makeup.
A Tona e re a dira jaana, a itse fa go na le Batswana ba ba nang le keletso ya go tsena mo kgwebong ya meepo mme ba thusiwe.

Goromente a leke go dira gore go nne motlhofo gore Motswana a tsene mo kgwebong ya mofuta o, go sa nne semausunyana.

Ke bua jaana ke utlwa botlhoko ka gore re na le Motswana mongwe kwa Bobonong ke motsadi wa me.

O sa le a simolola ke le monnyennyane go sela mantswe a mantle kwa Bobonong, a ke ka a bitsang ke re semi-precious stones.
O sa le a tsena mo kgwebong ya teng mme ga a ise a gole ka gore Puso ga e ikaelele gore e mo thuse ka gore tota ke bone ba itseng botoka go na le Motswana yoo.

Jaanong dilo tse di ntseng jaana ka e bile kwa Bobirwa go na le ditswammung tse dintsintsi tse re ka di dirisang, ra di rekisa kwa mafatsheng.

Ke gakologelwa gore le nna ke kile ka leka go thusa fa ke ntse ke tsamaya kwa mafatsheng go tsaya matlapa ao ke mo a rekisetsa mme Puso yone e ntse moriti o tsididi e sa dire sepe.
Rre Rapelang Nkgowe o eme ka dinao o leka gore a hire, a dire kgwebo e gore e nne ya maemo a a kwa godimo mme ga gona fa Puso e tsenang teng.

Dibanka tsa rona tse di leng teng le tsa Puso, fa o re o kopa madi mo go bone ke mokang e leng go go bolaisa kgodisa, ga o ka ke wa tlhabolola sepe ka matsananyana a o ka a fiwang.

Ga o ka ke wa dira moepo ka matsananyana a o a fiwang ke CEDA because of the limits tse di leng teng.
A Goromente a bule, a oketse gore Batswana ba kgone go adima madi a a bonalang, a a ka kgonang go reka machinery e e ka dirisiwang go epa ditswammung tseo.

Mr Speaker, re tshwanetse gape ra etsa Mr Nkgowe; bona gore value chain ya gagwe e very clear, Batswana ba sela matlapanyana one a mantle, Babirwa ba ya go mo rekisetsa, o reka mo go bone o ba neela madi, le ene a bo a process a ntse a hirile batho, a bo a a romela kwa mafatsheng a sele.
Jaanong a re lekeng gore ditswammung tsa rona re di process mo gae, di tsamaye di le finished products.

Ke rata gore ke fe sekai ka ene thata ka gore o romela kwa mafatsheng e le finished products.

Mr Speaker, go na le kgang e nngwe e e tshwenyang thata mo ditswammung tsa rona, especially that there is so much secrecy in contracts.
Le bone Mapalamente ba ba dirang molao fa o bona go tlisitswe molao o kgotsa policy e e bewa fa pele ga rona jaana, kamoso fa bo Ministers ba setse ba buisana le dikompone tseo, e nna sephiri se motho o ka belaelang gore go na le sengwe se se fitlhwang.

Go na le sengwe se se fitlhilweng se e leng gore gongwe bo Ministers, ke sa reye gore ke a ba sotla, motho o ka tsaya fela gore ke gore golo fa borre le bomme ba ba na le di cut-nyana, ke eng ba gana badiramolao ba itse gore go diragala eng.
Gompieno jaana fa o ka botsa Mopalamente ope fela kwa ntle ga bone Matona, le Matona a mangwe ga a itse gore konteraka ya Botswana le De Beers, what does it entail.

Re itse fela gore go tlaabo gotwe gongwe ke five years, 20 years, 30 years mme tota mateng a yone, the detail where the devil is, ga gona yo o itseng, ke sephiri sa bone.

So dilo tse Mr Speaker, di a tshwenya gore e re re na le badiramolao, e bo ba fitlhelwa dilo tse.
Ke gore ba di fitlhelwa mo e leng gore e bile fa go ka fitlhelwa o tshwere pampiri eo, ke molato o ya go seka, le yo o ka bong a go e bontshitse a go hantshetsa, o kgona go ya toronkong.

Re ntse re le gone foo Mr Speaker, ke tshwenyegile thata ka kgang ya maabane ke e botsa Honourable Kgafela, it is outside the policy mme ke selo se se ntshwenyang gore e bo gompieno jaana go na le phatlha e e bulegileng e tona.
Re a itse gore Botswana is one of the largest diamond producers in value terms, re ntse re gaisana le lefatshe le le tshwanang le la Russia mme gompieno she has been sanctioned gore ga ba ka ke ba rekisa diteemane tsa bone kwa mmarakeng o o tlwaelesegileng.

Fa o ka re o botsa Tona gompieno jaana gore phatlha e e teng e kana ka eng, a re tsere kgato go e thiba le rona gore e re mo sebakeng se e bo e le gore gongwe diteemane tsa rona di a rekwa koo?
Fa o ka mmotsa gore has diamond prices appreciated because of the sanctions, go ya go nna thata gore a go arabe.

Fa o ka re o a mmotsa gore mme ka gore ke fa go na le phatlha e e rileng, a re ikaeletse to increase production to fill the gap ka gore the demand is high I assume, le ene fa o ka mmotsa gore has the demand gone up ya diteemane kwa mafatsheng, o ka tswa a sa itse.
Fa e le 8 Hansard No 205Thursday 31st March, 2022ADOPTION OF THE MINERALS POLICY, 2022 Motion (Resumed Debate) gore o a itse, potso e tlaabo e nna gore wena o dirile eng Minister; where are we now?

It is certainly two months go ntse go na le sanctions mme ga ke ise ke utlwe a raya ope gore nnyaa mme re tsere advantage, ntwa e e kwa ele e ka tswa e le botlhoko mo go ba bangwe mme rona re ka tsena mo teng ya re solegela mosola mo sebakeng se se kana.
Gone moo Mr Speaker, go a tshwenya gore re tlaabo re nna moriti o tsididi until letsatsi le phirima ke gone re bo re re kana golo fale re ne re na le opportunity.

We have lost so many opportunities re le Batswana mo dikgwebong tse dintsi, including the mineral industry ka gore as I say, there is so much of mineral products tse di leng teng, tse re ntseng fela go na le gore re ka bo re develop gore di epiwe, di romelwe kwa mafatsheng.
Ke ne ke sa tswa go fa sekai ka lentswe le e leng gore fa o ya kwa Ngamiland le teng, bomme ba ba batlang go ikgabisa ka lone ba a itshasa, kwa Bobirwa le gone le teng le bidiwa letsoku.

Ke tsaya gore Botswana jotlhe ga gona kwa le seyong teng.

It is so plentiful mme re palelwa fela ke to develop and process it, re bo re nna le beauty shops tse re rekisang product ya mofuta oo.
Ke batla go dumela gore Tona ga a ise a ko a tseye matsapa a to investigate gore matlapa a tota, a ke quality e e siameng, le gore a gongwe e botoka go gaisa ya mafatshe a mangwe.

These are the things tse re nnang fela re re re beile mo diteemaneng tse e leng gore e bile they are even more expensive to extract mme go na le tse e leng gore di selwa fela mo mmung.

Se sengwe Mr Speaker, se se tshwenyang ke gore re bo re na le melao e e reng semi-precious stones are no going areas.
Ke gore le fa o le Motswana o ka iphitlhela o tshwere selo seo kgotsa mo tshimong ya gago, nnyaa ga o ka ke wa ba wa leka gore o reye motho o re ke bone selo sa gore.

Jaanong ke gone mo go dirang gore gompieno e bo e le gore diteemane di rekisiwa ka bokukuntshwane ka gore fa o ka re o ya kwa go Honourable Moagi o re o a mmolelela gore mo tshimong ya me go na le diteemane tse ke di selang fa godimo ga mmu, o molato e bile tshimo eo o batla go e tsaya mo go wena.
Ke eng re se ka ke ra tshwaragana le Goromente gore mo lefatsheng la gagwe go fitlhelwe go na le oil, diteemane, kopore gore e nne joint venture.

Ke yone tsela e Batswana ba ka tsenang mo kgwebong ya mofuta oo go na le gore e bo ba kobiwa, ba pateletswa gore e ga e a go tshwanela, e tshwanetse boramadimadi.
Keletso ya me Mr Speaker, ke gore a re ko re lebeleleng ntlha e gore Batswana fa e le gore ba na le lefatshe le go fitlhelwang le na le ditswammung tsa mofuta oo, re tseye gore ba ka nna le seabe le bone gore ba tsene mo kgwebong eo.

Ke a go leboga Mr Speaker.

MR SALESHANDO (MAUN WEST): Ke a go leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente.
Ke a itse gore go le ga ntsi fa ke bua dikgang tse e leng matshwenyego a rona mo go tsa ditswammung, Tona yo e leng ene Tona gompieno, o nna le go gatelela gore ene ga a utlwe sepe.

Boammaaruri ke jo, Botswana ga re a ithuta sepe mo mafatsheng a mangwe a a neng a epa.

Jaaka re itse go ne go epiwa kwa lefatsheng la South Africa kwa toropong e e neng e le tona gotwe Kimberly.
Re ne ra epa kwa Selebi Phikwe, ra gata fela mo dikgatong tsa ba Kimberly gore re tlaa tlogelela baagi ba toropo ya Selebi Phikwe boswa jo bo tshwanang le jwa bo Kimberly, re tlaa ba tlogelela lehuti, le tunnels tse di tlaabong di epilwe, e tlaa nna jone bokamoso jwa bone, we are going to bequest them a ghost town, mme re ne re na le sebaka sa gore e re pele ga diteemane kana kopore e fela ka fa tlase ga lefatshe, re ne re ntse re itse gore go tlaa tla nako ya gore e fele, go bo go sa dirwe maiteko ape a go bona gore beyond the mining extraction, re dira eng.
Sengwe se setona se re se dirang mo lefatsheng la Botswana, fa o tsena kereke o etle o bale Bible, o bala polelo e e buang ka David and Goliath, mo lekwalong la ga Samuel wa ntlha, Chapter 17, fa o bala ka fa gotweng Goliath o ne a ipaakenyeditse ntwa ka teng, dilo tse a neng a di apere, di ne di supa gore even back then, mo dinakong tsa bo Goliath, go ne go na le tsamaiso ya gore ditswammung di dirisiwe go dira diaparo, they could manufacture shields le dilo tse di tshwanang le bows and arrows.
Rona, way, way back, after dinako tsone tseo, rona sa rona ke go epa fela.

Re a katolola, ga re itse gore o ka dira eng gape ka sone seo.

Fa o bala this policy Tona Moagi, ga o bone maikemisetso a a tsepameng gore mo dingwageng tse five tse di tlang, re tlaa tlhoka gore re bo re le fa kae mo kgannyeng ya beneficiation.

E buiwa fela, mme unless if I missed it, I have not seen clear targets.
Maloba fa le le kwa Dubai, fa e le gore le wena o ne o ile, ba tshwanetse ba ile ba go bolelela gore go na le bangwe ba ba neng ba re ba tsile kwa stall sa Botswana ba na le keletso ya gore ba ka bula dikgwebo mo lefatsheng la Botswana go dirisa soda ash ya rona go dira some products.

Ba bo ba bolelelwa gore ya Botswana soda ash, go setse go dirilwe ditumalano, e rekisiwa yotlhe kwa Africa Borwa.

Ke bone ba ba nang le tshwanelo ya go bona gore ba ka dira ditiro jang ka soda ash ya rona.
Rona re kgotsofetse fela go epa, re bo re pega mo matorokong a terena, re bo re pega mo diterakeng go ya kwa mafatsheng a mangwe, go ya go dirwa ditiro.
9 Hansard No 205Thursday 31st March, 2022ADOPTION OF THE MINERALS POLICY, 2022 Motion (Resumed Debate) Fa o dira situational analysis e ke e bonang mo policy e, ke ne ke tsere gore o tlaa tsenelela kwa teng, and own up, re ikamogele gore sengwe se setona se se re paletseng dingwaga tse tsotlhe tse, ke gore ditiro tse di dirwang kwa mafatsheng a mangwe ka ditswammung tsa lefatshe la Botswana, re nne re ketlole re bone gore re busetsa tse kae ka bokete jo bo kae mo lefatsheng la Botswana.
I put it to you, Minister Moagi gore ditiro tse di dirilweng ka diteemane, soda ash le ka copper nickel ya Botswana kwa ntle, ditiro tse re tswelelang re di dira ka mine wa kopore o o teng, ka mines tse dingwe tse di leng teng tsa bo gouta, fa di ne di ka tla mo lefatsheng la Botswana, re ka bo re bua jaana go sena ngwana wa Motswana yo o senang kwa a theogetseng teng.

Goromente o tsere tshwetso gore ditiro tse di rona Batswana.
Policy e, ga go na yo o ka e mo neelang wa mo raya wa re gakere o bona policy e, ka fa e ntseng ka teng, fa e ka diragadiwa, in the next three or four years, clearly, unemployment e tlaa tswa kwa godimo ga 22 per cent e wele kwa tlase ga ga 5 per cent.

We had that opportunity gompieno, ka policy yone e, mme re e fetisa e ntse jalo, e sena maikaelelo a gore e ya go tlisa ditiro jang.
Kana se re tshwanetseng gore re se itse ke gore, kwa re ganeletseng teng kwa go epeng, kwa bo Jwaneng le Orapa re epa, ka sekgoa sa Economics ba re re tsene fela mo legatong le e leng gore it is capital intensive.

Go dirisiwa machines, ditiro ga di dirwe di le di ntsi.

Fa o sala teemane morago gore tota mme bogadi jwa yone jwa ditiro bo fa kae, gone koo ke gone kwa rona re seyong teng.
Re lebeletse match, re ganeletse fela mo goreng re tlaa epa re bo re neela bo Goromente ba ba tlhwaafetseng gore ba direle batho ba bone, ba bone ditiro.

Nngwe ya kgang e ke batlang go e gatelela ke sephiri se se tsamaelanang le ditumalano tsa lefatshe la Botswana la ditswammung.

Ke a itse gore maloba fa re bua gore gompieno jaana, agreement, re le Palamente, ga go na ope yo o itseng gore e tsamaya fa kae ya De Beers.
E bo e kete o a e nyenyafatsa Tona o re nnyaa ke eng re sa botse ka agreements tsa meepo e dingwe, but the truth is, agreement ya rona le De Beers ke yone e e tlisang madi a a fetang a meepo e mengwe e kopane.

Jaanong o se ka wa e nyenyafatsa jalo.

Kwa mafatsheng a a itlhaloganyang, ga gona Palamente e e bewang mo lefifing.
Le re ya ditlhophong ka 2019, o tlaa gakologelwa gore kwa debate ya bo President, e ne e re go buiwa ka diteemane, Tautona Mokgweetsi Masisi a bo a re nnyaa, eo ga re ka ke ra le bolelela sepe ka yone, go a buisanwa kwa bothokong, kwa sephiring, kwa re sa tshwanelang go utlwa teng.

Le gompieno, go a pala gore dipuisanyo di fele, re utlwe fa bosheng le tsere tshwetso ya gore ba ba buisanyang, ba dira tumalano e mo boemong jwa lefatshe la Botswana, le ba ntshitse, la tsenya ba bangwe ba basha.
Ke le Mopalamente, ke na le kgatlhego le tshwanelo ya go itse gore ke ka go reng le tsere tshwetso yone eo.

Mr Speaker, go na le lekgotla le le bidiwang gotwe Extractive Industries Transparency Initiative.

Lekgotla le, mafatshe a a nang le ditswammung, ke maloko a lone, a e leng gore ba itlamile gore ba ya go direla dilo tsa bone mo pontsheng.

Ga go ye go nna le sephiri mo go sepe sa lefatshe la bone sa ditswammung tsa bone.
Ke ipotsa gore Botswana re tswa kgakala re na le meepo e e kana, go pala eng gore re nne bontlha bongwe jwa Extractive Industries Transparency Initiative.

Legale fa e le gore we joined bosheng, Tona gongwe o tlaa mpolelela, mme ke ne ke tsaya gore in this policy document, re ka bo re dira maitlamo, re itlama gore le rona jaanong re tla inaakanya le tse mafatshe a mangwe a di dirang go fokotsa kgonagalo ya tshenyetso-setšhaba.
Le fa le e itatola, ke a itse gore go le ga ntsi Mothusa Tautona e nna ene wa ntlha go taboga a re ga re ba buise sentle.

Gompieno ga go bue nna.

Tsamaya o ye go batla pampiri e e kwadilweng ke ba Open Society Initiative for Southern Africa, ba e kopanetse le ba African Network of Centre for Investigative Reporting.

Ba na le pampiri e kwadilwe ke baitseanape, ba sa lebelele gore ke mang, wa party efe.

E bidiwa fela gotwe Botswana’s Diamond Deception.


Mo go yone, ba supa gore sephiri se se teng fa gare ga mmuso wa Botswana le kompone ya De Beers le party ya Domkrag, sephiri sone seo, go a belaetsa gore a mme Batswana madi a ba a bonang a tswa kwa diteemaneng, a mme e one tota, kana bagolo ba a shashola mo mading a diteemane.
A go kgethisiwa go lebilwe one a a tshwanetseng go kgetha, kana ka gore go na le sephiri, tirisanyo, go na le nyalano fa gare ga party ya ga Domkrag le dikompone tsa De Beers le madi a a etleng a tswe gone koo a felela kwa matloleng a Domkrag, ba re go a belaetsa gore fa re raya Batswana re re kgwedi e re rekisitse diteemane tse di kana, re bone bokana, a mme ke yone.

Ga go bue nna.

Go bua baitseanape ba ba ithutetseng go dira dipatlisiso ba sena go lebelela ka fa re tsamaisang ka teng.
E tlaabo e le poelo morago fa e le gore le gompieno in 2022, re ka palelwa ke go itlama gore sephiri se re ntseng re itsiwe ka sone, se mafatshe a mangwe a matona le gone kwa re tsereng boipuso teng kwa ga 10 Hansard No 205Thursday 31st March, 2022ADOPTION OF THE MINERALS POLICY, 2022 Motion (Resumed Debate) Mmamosadinyana kwa Enyelane, ba bontlha bongwe jwa lekoko le le batlang dilo tsa ditswammung di direlwa mo pontsheng, rona sephiri se, Tona, le ja eng mo teng le le party ya Domkrag.
Ke sone se ba se botsang.

Ga go botse nna gompieno, go botsa batlhalefi ba ba dirileng dipatlisiso ka sephiri sa lefatshe la Botswana mo mererong ya ditswammung tsa rona.

Fa dilo tse o ne o di tsentse mo pampiring ya gago gompieno, ke ka bo ke go opela matsogo.
Fa o ne o bolelela Batswana gompieno gore pele ga re ya ditlhophong ka 2024, mo ngwageng tse pedi tse di tlang, what are the radical transformations that we should expect ka gore ditiro tse di kwa ntle ga lefatshe la Botswana, di boele mo lefatsheng la Botswana, bana ba Batswana le bone ba bereke ditiro tse di duelang botoka.

Re se ka ra tlhola re utlwa Mapalamente ba tlhomagane ba lelela Ipelegeng.
Re utlwe Mapalamente a sa lele, a itumelela gore dituelo di botoka ka gore bana ba lefatshe la Botswana ba bona ditiro ka ditswammung tsa lefatshe la Botswana.

Ke a leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente.

MR MMOLOTSI (FRANCISTOWN SOUTH): Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.
Mma ke simolole fela ka go supa gore gongwe re leboge ba ba neng ba tla pele gore e rile ka nako eo, ba nna le kakanyo e e siameng ya gore natural resources tsa rona, including tsone diteemane le tse dingwe e nne tsa setšhaba sotlhe, di se ka tsa nna tsa batho ba gongwe di epiwang kwa go bone.

Mr Speaker, golo mo e ne e le kakanyo e e siameng.

Re a itse gore mafatshe a mangwe ba ne ba se ka ba akanya jalo.
Gore go bo go ne ga akanngwa jalo, ke tsaya gore ke gone mo go dirileng gore gompieno Botswana a bo a tlhabologile mo seemong se a tlhabologileng mo go sone.

Ke batla go supa gore tota fela tsamaiso e, e re ntswa e ne e siame, e ne ya tlhaela fa jaanong e itlhokomolosa gotlhelele mafelo a ditswammung tse di epiwang kwa go one.

Gone moo go ne ga dira gore jaanong e nne o kare ditswammung tse, di tlhabolola lefatshe ntlha nngwe, mme kwa di tswang teng, ga go lebege gotlhelele.
Fa o lebelela Kgaolo ya Boteti Mr Speaker, o ka utlwa o utlwa botlhoko e bile o ka ganetsa gore ke gone kwa mahumo a lefatshe a tswang teng.

So tsamaiso epe fela e e ka dirang gore sepe se tswe mo kgaolong nngwe, se ye go tlhabolola lefatshe ka kakaretso, mme tsamaiso e e itebaditse kwa dilo tse di tswang teng, e utlwisa botlhoko.
Mr Speaker, gongwe ke fe sekai gape ka kgaolo e tshwana le ya Mmadinare, Letsibogo for example, metsi a tswa kwa Mmadinare, mme batho ba Mmadinare ba kgona go nna ba sena metsi, ba bona metsi a feta fela a tswa mo go bone.

Ka tsela e e ntseng jalo, go a re fa re dira mananeo, re se ka ra dira gore kgantele Batswana ba nne le lefufa le le feteletseng, a re se keng ra itlhokomolosa gore dilo di tswa kwa kae.
Re bone gore e re ntswa re ka se ke re tlhabolole dikgaolo tseo kana go gaisa kwa kae, mme ditlhabololo tsone di nne teng.

Ke bua se Mr Speaker, e le gore ke batla go buelelela batho ba Boteti ka gore ke bone ba ba nkutlwisang botlhoko le go gaisa ka gore tota seemo sa lehuma kwa Boteti, se utlwisa botlhoko mo go gakgamatsang.
Mr Speaker, ka lebaka le le leele, tsamaiso ya lefatshe la rona ya gore diteemane le kitso ya tsone le sengwe le sengwe sa tsone e ntse e le sephiri se se tona sa ga Goromente, e dirile gore jaanong re le lefatshe, re nne babogedi, batho ba itse e bile ba dira ka teemane ya rona.

Rona mo Botswana, ke gore tsamaiso ya rona ya go itse ka diteemane, go tewa gotwe o legodu le o ka kgaoganyang tee mo mashing a bedile, o ka kgaoganya mashi mo teeng e e kabeileng.
Tota tsamaiso e ka fa e ka bo e ne e ntse ka teng, ke thulaganyo e ka gore lefatshe la Botswana ke la teemane, Batswana, ba ka bo ba itse teemane e bile ba itse tiriso ya yone fela jaaka mafatshe, for example, ba na le ditlhapi tse dintsi, mme ba itse tlhapi e bile ba itse le gore e ka dirwa ka tsela e e ntseng jang, e ka rekisiwa ka tsela e e ntseng jang, ya ba ya nna jang.
Seemo sa Botswana se e leng gore teemane ke sephiri se se tona, e bile ope yo o eletsang go itse ka ga yone ke serukutlhi, re tshwanelwa ke gore tsamaiso eo re e ntshe.

Gompieno jaaka e ne ya re ka nako e Rre Mogae a neng a le Tautona wa lefatshe la Botswana, go ne go ntshiwa licences for the first time, di neelwa, I think about 16 companies tse di neng di eletsa go tsena mo kgwebong ya diteemane.
Dikompone tse 16 tseo, ga go na epe e e ka go rayang letsatsi leno jaana, e re e kgona go tsenelela thekiso ya diteemane mo lefatsheng la Botswana.
Botlhe ba ba neng ba phomelela, ke ba ba phomoledisitsweng ke gore ba reka diteemane kwa bo Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC), ba bo ba di rekisa go sele e le gore mo lefatsheng la bone, ba tshwere licences mahala fela ga go na kgonagalo epe ya gore batho ba ba ka kgona gore ba reke diteemane ka tsamaiso e e thata e e dirilweng ke Goromente, ya gore e re ntswa a go file licence, gore o kgone go reka mono, o ye go rekisa, go dingalo mo go gakgamatsang.
Ke sone se Batswana ba ba neng ba tsaya licences tse, ba ne ba itlhoboga ba bona gore tsa Botswana tsa sephiri se se gakgamatsang, gongwe ba ye go dira kgwebo ya diteemane kwa mafatsheng a sele.

11 Hansard No 205Thursday 31st March, 2022ADOPTION OF THE MINERALS POLICY, 2022 Motion (Resumed Debate) Ke batla go kopa Tona gore dilo tse a re di baakanye gore Batswana ba ba eletsang licences ba di bone.
Ba ba di tshwereng le bone, a ba boelwe ke maduo a gore ba kgone go reka teemane ya rona, ba ye go e rekisa kwa e tshwanetseng go rekisiwa teng.

Re tshwanelwa ke go nna a society ya teemane, re dire teemane, re dire sengwe le sengwe sa teemane, re exploit the value chain ya teemane mo lefatsheng la Botswana.
Go dira jalo, ke gone mo go tlaa re thusang go dira ditiro tse re nang le dingwaga re ntse re di isa kwa mafatsheng a sele, mme re na le bokgoni re le lefatshe gore re ka tsaya batho ba ba itseng go dira ka diteemane; machines tse ditona ka diteemane, go dira jewellery, to polish le go dira sengwe le sengwe ka diteemane, re ka tsaya bone ba tla go ruta Batswana tiro eo, mme Batswana ba kgone gore ba itirele ditiro.
Re tswe mo lehumeng le re leng mo go lone mo nakong ya gompieno, mme re fetlha ditswammung tsa value e e kwa godimo mo go gakgamatsang.

Empowerment Mr Speaker, e tshwanelwa ke go emelwa ka dinao.
Local participation e tshwanelwa ke go emelwa ka dinao ka lebaka la gore fa Goromente a sa dire ditsamaiso tse e leng gore deliberately they empower Batswana, re tlile go felela e le gore rona Batswana, re consumers fela tse kwa bofelelong jwa letsatsi, batswakwa ba tlile go boa jaanong e nna bone babusi ba rona, ba re busa ka khumo e ba e tsereng mo go rona.

Jaaka o bona gompieno jaana, go na le batswakwa ba dikompone tse di tona tse di dirang ditsela, metsi le eng, ba setse ba busa lefatshe la Botswana.
Ba setse ba sa bone ope, ke bone ba ba busang tota ka gore e bile ba bangwe ba a ipoka ba re ba tsentse babusi mo dipateng tsa bone.

E le Batswakwa ba ba fentseng ditiro mo lefatsheng la Botswana, ba dira dikgwebo le rona.

So ka tsela e e ntseng jalo Mr Speaker, tota fela re tshwanelwa ke go ema ka dinao.

Gompieno ya ba ba batlang go tsena mo kepong ya diteemane, go na le tsamaiso e ba e setseng morago.
Motho fa a batla to test diteemane, nnyaa, ke ne ke epela to test fela, ba ntsha diteemane tse di seng kana ka sepe, ba di isa kwa mafatsheng a sele, ba re ba ya go di tlhatlhoba (test), di bo di sa boele mo lefatsheng leno.

Go raya gore tota ka bokhutshwane, batho ba epa teemane ya rona, ba bo ba e tsaya ba e isa kwa mafatsheng, ba re ba ya to test kante ke yone thulaganyo ya bone e ba e dirisang go utswa teemane mo lefatsheng la Botswana.
So dilo tse re tshwanelwa ke gore ditsamaiso tsa rona di di bone, mme di di kganele, le rona re itse gore teemane e tswa mo lefatsheng ka bokete jo bo kae, gotwe e ye go tlhatlhobiwa.

Ke dingwaga jaanong golo mo go ntse go diragala, re tshwanelwa ke go go emisa.

Ke tlhola ke bua Mr Speaker, gore re le lefatshe la Botswana, re dirile phoso e tona.

Kana ke rona ba re simolotseng teemane, e bile re e itsiwe re le ba teemane ya boammaaruri.
Gore re bo re tlogetse batho ba simolola synthetics, re ntse re le gone fa, tota golo mo go re diretse mathata, letsatsi le re tsenang (joining), re ya go fitlhela batho ba setse ba tsamaya kgakala.

Le bone ba re ntseng re dira le bone ba De Beers, tota ga ba a re direla sentle gore fa ba tsena mo synthetics, ba bo ba re lobela, ba re tlogela.

Ba dira gore jaanong ba dire synthetics ba le nosi.
Re tshwanelwa ke go tsena mo space seo le rona se De Beers le mafatshe a mangwe ba leng mo go sone, re kgone go phadisana e tle e re post nako ya teemane e re epang, e bo e le gore go na le sengwe Mr Speaker, re ka neta.

Ke batla go bua gape ka rehabilitation of mines.

Rona kwa Francistown, re mo mathateng a matona, re ne re na le meepo ya gouta le kopore e e leng gore ke mafuti, diphologolo tsa rona le batho ba wela mo teng.
Kwa ntle ga moo fela, ka fa tlase ga Francistown, ke mekoti fela e e leng gore toropo ya rona ga e mo seemong se re ka reng batho ba safe koo.

Jaanong dilo tse di re utlwisa botlhoko ka gore dikompone tse di neng di epa gone koo, di ne di epa di bo di tswa di tsamaya without rehabilitating the area.

Ga ba a re tlogelela sepe re le toropo.


Ke sone se re tshwanelwang ke gore tsamaiso ya gore dikompone tse di epang meepo kwa dikgaolong, di nne le tsamaiso fela e e tlhamaletseng ya gore fa ba fetsa, ba dira eng ka mafuti ao.

E se ka ya re batho ba thusitse kgolo ya itsholelo, mme e bo e le gore ga go na se ba tlogelwang ka sone, ke mafuti a a diphatsa mo go bone.
Gompieno jaana kwa go rona kwa bo Extension, re lela ka dikgang tsa; ba di bitsa bo saenete tse di tsenyang batho bolwetse, mme e le dilo tse di bakilweng ke meepo e. Lefatshe la rona le dubegile kwa toropong, e le kgang ya mekoti e gompieno Batswana koo ba leng mo seemong.

Sepatela sa Nyangabgwe se fa godimo ga meepo, ga re itse gore re ya go iphitlhela re le mo seemong se se ntseng jang.

Tona, ditsamaiso di tshwanetse gore di dire gore di sireletse Batswana mo lefatsheng la bone.
Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

12 Hansard No 205Thursday 31st March, 2022ADOPTION OF THE MINERALS POLICY, 2022 Motion (Resumed Debate) MR MATHOOTHE (SEROWE NORTH): Thank you Mr Speaker.

Mma ke supe gore re amogela policy e e beilweng fa pele ga rona, fela ke simolole ka Page 17 e e buang ka Coal.

Jaaka bakaulengwe ba bangwe ba sa tswa go bua, re na le Morupule kwa go epiwang magala teng.

O fitlhela mine o tshwana wa Morupule jaana, o tlhokana le metsi a a tlaabong a tlhatswa magala.
Metsi a a tsewa kwa Kgaolong ya Paje/ Mabeleapudi/Mmashoro, since 1975 mine o o operate.

Ke dumalana le bakaulengwe thata gore, gone kwa go tsewang resources tse di tshwanang metsi, a metse eo e akanyediwa fa go buiwa ka dikompone tse di tlaabong di epa magala jalo, gore le tsone di lebiwe.

Fa ke fetela kwa go ya industrial minerals, ke dumalana thata le gore go tshwanetse gore Batswana ba tseye karolo e bile ba neelwe skills.
Fa o ka lebelela fela gautshwane fa re bapileng teng fa Palamenteng, go ne go šhafadiwa Bank of Botswana (BoB), mme fa o ka lebelela lekoma la teng go ne go dirisiwa matlapana a batho gantsi ba a tsayang to pave dijarata ka one.

Kgang e e leng teng gore, o ya go fitlhela matlapa ao a ne a tsewa go sele kwa South Africa a tla a le packaged.

Jaanong Batswana mo dikgaolong tsa rona jaaka re na le matlapa a mo Kgaolong ya Serowe Bokone, ba kgona go fiwa skills tsa gore ba a cut sentle and package them.
Projects tse di ntseng jaana di bo di ka kgona gore matlapa a a rekiwe kwa go bone.

Fa ke fetela kwa go e nngwe, mo kgaolong ya Serule re na le letsopa le le dirang pottery le matsopa ao.

Jaaka policy e tlhalosa, go botlhokwa thata gore ba fiwe skills.

Re dumalana thata gore go nne jalo.

Sa bofelo fela ka bokhutshwane under small scale mining, fa o lebelela go na le fa e tlhalosang gore strategy is to develop the legislative and regulatory framework for small scale mining.
E a e se ka ya diega, a ba dire that framework e nne teng re se ka ra fitlhela policy e le teng, mme go ya go diega regulations tsa teng.

Go botlhokwa thata gore e re fa policy e e feta jaana, ba bo ba itlhaganelela go dira jalo.

Batswana le bone ba tle ba participate mo dikgannyeng tsa go nna jaana.

Thank you Mr Speaker.

MINISTER OF MINERAL RESOURCES, GREEN TECHNOLOGY AND ENERGY SECURITY (MR MOAGI): Ke a leboga Mr Speaker, mma ke taboge ka tsone jaaka o kopile.
Ke leboge Batlotlegi Mapalamente, jaaka ba ntse ba akgela mo policy e ya rona.

nngwe ya lefatshe, e e tlhabolotsweng go gaisa tse dingwe jaaka re bona mo mafatsheng a mangwe.

E bile re boa re rotloetsa gape ka gore, go na le tse ba di dirang ba le fa ba direlang meepo ya bone teng.

Ke sone se re solofelang gore dilo tseo di tlaa tsamaya di tsweletse, gore Batswana ka kakaretso re sa tlhaole ope, ba kgone go akola.
Batlotlegi ba buile ka bontsi, ke tlaa leka go tshwara bale le bale fa nako e ka re letlelela.

Honourable Lucas o ne a bua ka beneficiation, ke maikaelelo jaaka o bona re e tlisitse jaana.
E bile kana itseng gore policy e, e tlhagolela tsela the Mines and Minerals Amendment Bill e le yone e setseng e budule, e e tlaabong e tla kwa go lona gore jaanong le tsenye ditsetlana tse le ntseng le bua ka tsone thata, fa le akgela mo go policy e. Di tle di tsene mo molaong, re tle re di diragatse ka fa le eletsang ka teng.

Itseng gore e tlaa re morago ga tse, jaaka le ntse le bua, go nne le frameworks, regulations, programmes le projects.
Di tlaabo di tsenya mateng a se se tlaabong se diragala le targets and timelines jaaka le ntse le bolela.

Fa re bua ka beneficiation fela jaaka re ne re bua… rre o ne a bua le ka Soda Ash ya rona e e teng, rra, tiro e ntse e tsweletse, re tlaa tshwanela ke gore re se ka ra lebala gore ditiro tse dintsi di ne tsa kgorelediwa ke bolwetse.

Jaanong re tsweletse ka re ithutile go tshela le bolwetse.

Go na le the …(inaudible)… beneficiations e e tlaabong e produce sulphate of potash kwa Soda Ash.
Ke tsone tse di tsweletseng, e tswa mo go the waste premier … (Inaudible)… Re batla gore gone foo re bo re dira dilo tseo kwano, e bile le letswai la rona le le dirwang kwano le ntsifale le rekisediwe Batswana ka kwano.

Se se neng se saletse kwa morago ke gore, they had to optimise the process design, because e ne e supile gore it is optimised to 30 per cent.

Le dipuisano di tsweletse on the short listed funders ba ba tlaabong ba thusa ka madi gore ba dire jalo.
E tswelela gape e oketsa le the sodium bicarbonate e e dirang dilo di le dintsinyana go akaretsa detergents jalo.

Dilo tse di teng di a tswelela, re tlaabo re ntse re di rekisa gore di tsene ka kwano.

Ka gore bontsinyana bo buile ka partnership ya De Beers, and the reason why… …Silence… Bagaetsho, fela jaaka le itse, tota ditswammung tsa rona re na le molao wa gore di lebe ditlhabololo tsa lefatshe ka bophara, go itsa gore go fitlhelwe go na le karolo MR SPEAKER: Honourable Minister, did we lose you?
Please unmute yourself.

O ile kwa ga Ramotswa jaanong, o re tlogetse Molete.

13 Hansard No 205Thursday 31st March, 2022ADOPTION OF THE MINERALS POLICY, 2022 Motion (Resumed Debate) MR MOAGI: … agreements tsa bone.

Ka fa ba … (inaudible)… agreements tsa bone ka teng go a re thusa gore re tswelele jalo.
Batswana ba neelwa licences bagaetsho, and re rata re bua kgang e re tle re ba thuse, bogolo jang thata lona Batlotlegi Mapalamente, e re fa le na le diphuthego le batho ba dikgaolo tsa lona le kgone go ba thusa, ka gore le lona you are duty bound go bona gore Batswana ba tsena mo ditirong tseo.

Requirements tse di stringent tsa bo gore o bo o na le thoto ya madi mo bankeng, nnyaa ga di sa tlhola di le teng.
Ra re ikopanye le ba ba nang le madi ka ntlha ya gore, thulaganyo ya gago ya gore o ya go dira jang fa o prospect o a bo o e kwadile e bile o supa gore e ya go lopa bokae.

Ke gore o bo o tla ka agreement ya batho ba o tlaabong o dira le bone gore ba tlaabo ba support tiro ya gago ka madi.

Ga e sa tlhole gotwe o bo o na le madi a a kanakana mo bankeng.
Se se botlhoko ke gore, Batswana jaanong gona le gore ba negotiate le partners tsa bone gore ba nne le stake mo teng ga dikompone tseo, ba batla upfront cash ya go rekisa licence.

Ke sone se re rotloetsang thata gore nnyaa, ka tsweetswee batlang gore le bo le na le seabe mo teng ga dikompone tseo.

Le se ka la rekisa fela le ba neela ba bo ba le neela thoto ya madi, e e reng morago ga nako e e seng kae e bo e setse e tsamaile.
Regoeng o ne a bua gore re setse re ithutile go epa, a go tlhatswa le go rekisa go nne teng.

Re na le dikompone; Okavango Diamond Company (ODC).

Re a itse gore di ntse di re supegetsa thata gore thekiso e a tokafala.

Le bone ba ruta badiri ba bone le ba ba tlang kwa morago gore re itirele dilo tse ka thulaganyo e e ntseng jalo.

We want the downstream process ya to price, to value le go dira jewellery jalo.

Ke thulaganyo e e tsweletseng.


Thulaganyo e nngwe e e tsweletseng ke ya gore, ba ODC ba tlaa ribolola gore mo teng ga Batswana ba ba kanakana ba, re name re ba tataisitse pele ka tshipidi.

Re ba neela allocation e e kana ka eng to access diteemane tseo.

Ke kgang e e teng.

Batswana ba teng rra, ba na le meepo, ba rekile Mupane Gold jaaka re ne re bona maloba.

Go na le ba ba rekileng BK11.

Go na le ba ba teng mo dikomponeng tsa diamond cutting and polishing.
Se re tshwanetseng re se gatelele ke gore, jaaka Honourable Modukanele a ne a bua, a e se ka ya nna briefcase people.

Ba ba tsayang mine jalo ba o rekile, a bo ba sa batle go dira sepe mo go one, ba batla go o fetisetsa to other investors at a higher premium.

Ke tsone dikgang tse di teng.

Botswana Geoscience Institute (BGI) e tsweletse ka go senka le go bontsha Batswana ditswammung tse di tletseng lefatshe.
Ke tlaa bua thata jaaka Rre Honourable Nkawana a ne a bua ka Rre Rapelang Nkgowe yo o dirang ka the semi-precious stones.

Ke thulaganyo e ntle e e leng gore ke setse ke tswa koo le ba BGI gore re ye go bona gore re ka mo thusa jang, ra mo godisa jang gore e nne a community based project mme e sa tseye sepe se a neng a se itshimololetse.

Dilo tse re dira jaana ka gore Botswana ka bophara; Mogobane le Molapowabojang go na le these industrial minerals, semi-precious stones, le tse dingwe tse di bonetseng.
Re batla gore re ba thuse.

Mo godimo ga moo, go na le the National …(inaudible)… System e e tsayang tsotlhe tse ba di boneng, e nna information e ba e tsenyang mo maranyaneng gore o le kae le kae, o bo o bona gore mo kgaolong ya gore go na le minerals tse, mo kgaolong ya gore go na le minerals tse.

E re le fa o ikopela prospecting licence, o bo o itse area e o e batlang.

Sa gago e bo o tlhabolola into economic quantities you can exploit to develop a mine.
Re bo re bua le ka skills gape gore di botlhokwa, di a tlhokafala.

Fa re ntse re bitsa dikompone jalo, e bo ba tla ba neela bana ba rona those skills gore ba itirele ka tsela e e ntseng jalo.

Re bona mo meepong e e ntseng e le teng gore fa gongwe ba tla ka skills tse ba reng ga di yo koo.

Fa re ganetsana le bone gore skill se, ga se se re se tlhokang, re diragatsa gore Batswana ba bo ba bewa golo mo gotweng shadowing.

A bapa le ene gore morago ga dingwaga tse pedi kana ngwaga a bo a rutile Motswana yo.
A bo a tsaya mo go ene gore re tle re netefatse gore a ruri ga se skill se se ka bong se dirwa ke Motswana ka tsela e e ntseng jalo.

Ba the National Research Fund re itumela thata ka gore e ka re thusa go tlhabolola dikitso tse jaaka re ne re bua ka indigenous knowledge systems le matsoku gore re dire makeups le cosmetics jalo.

Ke tsone dilo tse di ka thusang mo kgannyeng e e ntseng jaana.

Ke rata go bua gape ka kgang ya environmental considerations e Honourable Tshabang a neng a bua ka yone.
Go le gantsi re bua ka coal ya rona mme e kare re a a nyefola, re a nyenyafatsa.

Le itse gore mafatshe a re lebileng mo go one a Conference of the Parties (COP)26, a a re rayang a re dirang jaana, go na le ditshetlana tse re tshwanetseng re tsamaye mo go tsone.

There must be a transition e e leng gore rona ba re ikaegileng ka ditswammung, re neelwe sebaka sa gore re tswe mo go tsone into renewables.

Re tswa go sa ronkgele any community e e ntseng e tshela ka dilo tsa go nna jalo.
Fa o ka lebelela mafatshe a le lesome a ntlha, o ya go fitlhela China, United States, India le 14 Hansard No 205Thursday 31st March, 2022ADOPTION OF THE MINERALS POLICY, 2022 Motion (Resumed Debate) a mangwe fela.

South Africa e le number 7, Britain e le number 10, Botswana a bo a ya go nna number 69 kwa morago.

Gatwe re kgotlela tikologo ka coal e re buang ka yone.
Jaanong a e se ka ya re re dira jaaka kwa Morupule, re tsentse programmes di tshwana le desulphurisation, tse di thusang gore re se ka ra kgotlela tikologo thata, e bo e kete ga re a lebelela gore coal e santse e ka re berekela.

E na le dintlha tse dintsintsi tse di ka dirwang kwa ntleng ga go dira motlakase.

Re batla gore re tseye mo go tsone, re anye mo go tsone gore re thuse lefatshe le.

Ke mpho e re e neetsweng fela jaaka bangwe ba neetswe metsi, bangwe ba neetswe oils.
Re tshwanetse ra e dirisa ka boikarabelo jo bo ntseng jalo.

Ke dumalana thata le Honourable Molale ka gore dilo tse fa re di baya jaana, re a bo re di baya re buisanya le Matona a mangwe gore re tle re eme nokeng policy ya go nna jaana.

The infrastructure is very key gore re rwale dithoto tse, re di ise kwa di tlaa yang teng, re di shafatse gore di thuse mo Botswana ka tsela e e ntseng jalo.
Rail link tse a neng a bua ka tsone tsa Gobabis, Mmamabula, Lephalale le Lepashe kafa, di tlaa thusa gore di ntshe ditswammung tseo, di di atumetse kwa di ka tokafadiwang teng e ntse e le gone go tlhama ditiro.

Limestone jaaka re e bone kwa Serorome, Nakalaphala, le Kodibeleng kafa, ke yone e re batlang gore re e dirise thata bogolo jang kwa stations tseo.

Re e dirise le mo cement jaaka se dirwa.

Ke dikgang tse di teng.

Ke netefaletsa Honourable Tshere gore Coalbed Methane rra, re tsweletse.
Tlou Energy e setse e simolotse transmission line ya 100 km e e tlaabong e tsaya go tswa kwa moepong wa bone o o kafa sandveldt e isa kwa Serowe.

Ba tsenya motlakase mo grid ya rona, o tle o romelwe mo bathong.

Ke mo netefaletse gore kwa Mmamabula go ntse go tsweletse.

Go setse go abilwe mining licences tse di tlaabong di bula mines tseo feeding into the power station e e bulwang.

O tlaa itse gore tender ya teng is ongoing, e bile e tlaa wela mo nakong e e sa fediseng pelo.
Ke rata go supa thata gore bagaetsho, re fokotse go rekisetsa batswakwa tse re di neelwang.

Ga go ka ke ga re thusa re le Batswana.

Re se ka ra raya Batswana ra re dilo tse di cheap.

It is not cheap.

If you want to create wealth, you need to spend money.

Jaanong re ka bo re thusa Batswana jaaka le ne le supa gore a dibanka tsa rona di bulege di ba neele madi.

Re tle re ba thuse go dira thulaganyo e e ntseng jalo.
Minerals Development Mining Company (MDCB) ba teng le bone to partner on behalf of Government fa ba sena go nna ba dira assessments tsa bone ka tsela e e ntseng jalo.

Honourable Keorapetse, ga ke dumalane le wena fa o re meepo e neelwa dikompone tse di sa itsegeng.

Go na le thulaganyo e e tsepameng e e leng gore assess dilo tsa go nna jalo, gore ba tle ba bone gore a ba ka tswelela ba dira ka fa go batlegang ka teng.

ReconAfrica le Premium Nickel Resources (PNR), o ne o o fa dikai ka tsone.
MDCB jaaka o ne o supa, assess proposals tsa bone.

E bo e bona gore a re ka tsena re le Goromente kana re ka se ka ra tsena.

Re tlhaloganyeng se bakaulengwe gore go tsena go raya gore you participate mo go tsotlhe, dipoelo le ditshenyegelo.

Fa gongwe o tlaa fitlhela Goromente a tlogelela private le Batswana gore ba tsene mo teng ga dilo tse.

Ke teng kwa re batlang go tsena teng.


Ke dumalana le yo o reng 15 per cent yo o a bong a betswe Goromente, fa Goromente a sa mo tseye, a neelwe Batswana ka tselana e e kgethegileng.

Ke dumela jalo, e bile ke rotloetsa gore a e re re baakanya the Minerals Act e e tlaabong e tla morago ga policy e, re tsenye ditsetlana tse mo teng gore di re thuse.

BITI re dira le bone thata.

Re tsamaya ka ditsamaiso tsotlhe tse di tshwanang le tsa bone gore re direle dilo mo pontsheng.
Bagaetsho, ke santse ke tlaa bua fela gore any commercial agreement ka boyone e sephiri, mme ga go reye gore sephiri se tingwa Batswana.

Go tshwana fela le lenyalo, go na le ba ba le rerang pele le bo le bolelelwa ba bangwe.

Ke tsere dintlha tse re neng re di bua tse di kopang gore a sephiri se se ka sa nna teng.

Assurance e ke ka e buang ke gore dilo tse, di na le bodupi jo bo tseneletseng, jo bo ka bonang gore a go na le sengwe se se senngwang se se fitlhwang.
Le lona ka gore reports di a tswa, le ka di bona, tse re ka di neelang Palamente go itshekatshekela.

Mo rehabilitation ya meepo Honourable Mmolotsi, e ntse e tsweletse.

Kwa go dirilweng teng le fa go sa lekana, re se ka ra go ganetsa.

Go dirilwe kwa Mmanaka kwa Francistown mme le kwa Matsiloje kwa Patayamatebele go ntse go tsweletse.

Re tsentse fund e e tlaabong e le kwa thoko e sa tlhakana le madi a meepo.
E ya go nna teng mo the Amendment Bill gore e tle e kgone go thusa dikhuti tseo gore re se ka ra nna le bo the legacy tsa bo Kimberly ka tsela e e ntseng jalo.

Dilo tse, ke tsone tse re batlang go di tsisa mo teng ga policy e le the Minerals Act e e tlaabong e baakanngwa gore re tle re kgone go thusa lefatshe la rona gore re se ka ra nna le legacies tse di neng di bolelwa tseo.

Ke supe jaana gape gore jaaka re ntse re... MR SPEAKER: Ipaakanyetse go garela Letebele.
15 Hansard No 205Thursday 31st March, 2022ADOPTION OF THE MINERALS POLICY, 2022 Motion (Resumed Debate) MR MOAGI: Ee rra.

Jaaka re ntse re ntsha licences, go tsweletse e bile re okeditse le tse dingwe tse e leng gore di a tla mme e bile se se kgatlhang ke gore Batswana jaanong ba inaakantse le tsone.

E ka tswa e se Motswana a ikemetse a le nosi, mme a patagane le ba bangwe go bona gore dilo di dirwe mmogo ka tsela e e ntseng jalo.

So, ke na le tumelo ya gore re ntse re ya golo gongwe le Batswana.
E nngwe e ke neng ke rata go e bua ke ya iron ore. E simolotswe kwa Ikongwe mme e nngwe e santse e dupiwa kwa North West.

Ya Ikongwe le fa o bona go simolotswe jaana, ke ka ntlha ya gore kwa tshimologong o tshwanetswe ke gore a dire madinyana a a ka mo thusang to operate.

The very same proprietor ya iron ore, o simoletse Pula Steel gape.
Iron ore e a tlaabong a e tsaya kwa Ikongwe, bontlha bongwe jwa yone e tlaabo e ya go tsweledisa madirelo ale a Pula Steel gore re tle re bone gore madirelo ao a a tswelela.

Ke raya gore ke se re se rotloetsang jaaka re lebile thata the beneficiation le the value chain development ka ditsela tse di ntseng jalo.
Mr Speaker, ke ne ke re ke di tsibogele ka tsela e e ntseng jalo mme ba ke sa kgonang go ama dintlha tsa bone tsotlhe, ke di kwadile, re tlaabo re ntse re di tsibogetse fa re dira tse di latelang morago ga policy e e ntseng jalo ka karetso.

Jaanong kwa bokhutlong Mr Speaker, I beg to move that this Honourable House resolves that the Botswana Minerals Policy, 2022 be adopted.

I move accordingly Mr Speaker.

Question put and agreed to.


ADOPTION OF THE BOTSWANA INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY POLICY (BIPP), 2021 Motion (MR KGAFELA): Ke a MINISTER OF INVESTMENT, TRADE AND INDUSTRY leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Ntlo e e tlotlegang e. Tshutiso ya me mo motshegareng o, ke gore batlotlegi ba nkatle, ba amogele the Botswana Intellectual Property Policy (BIPP) ya 2021.
Ke khubame ka mangole ke suga kuane, ke supe gore ministry o ke o eteletseng pele o ne wa bona gore go botlhokwa gore o kabe phatla e, e e bakang gore bo go na le tlhaelo ya kitso mo Batswaneng, ya selo se gotweng intellectual property le ya gore selo se se ka dirisiwa go godisa itsholelo ya lefatshe la Botswana le go le tsaya le bo le pegwa mo seraleng le bapisiwa le mafatshe a e leng gore beng ba one ba dirisa selo se sa intellectual property go itshetsa.

Intellectual property ke eng?


Ke dithoto tse e leng gore ga o ka ke wa di tshwara ka lebogo.

Ga se dithoto tse di tshwanang le koloi kgotsa ntlo.

Ke megopolo, dikakanyo, tse e leng gore fa motho a di tshotse a bo a kgona go bopa se gotweng ke kitso.

Ke thoto in the form of kitso ka bokhutshwane.

Beng ba dithoto le bone ba na le tshwanelo ya gore ba sirelediwe mo goreng e bo e le ditsabone.

Tshireletso e e tla ka fa tlase ga melawana ya intellectual property e re nang le yone.
Mma ke supe gore intellectual property e kgaogantswe gabedi.

Go na le se se bidiwang gotwe industrial property le copyright and neighbouring related rights.

Industrial property ke se se amanngwang le tshireletso ya dikakanyo kgotsa megopolo ya batlhami, ba ba tsweledisang pele technology.
Dilo tsa bone fa di setse di wetse, di bidiwa gotwe patents, trade and services marks, industrial designs, trade secrets kgotsa diphiri tsa kgwebo, integrated circuits and rights on place of origin tse di bidiwang gotwe geographical indication.
Copyrights in neighbouring related rights ke ditshwanelo tse di tsamaelanang le bokwadi (artistic works), bodiragatsi, mmino, cinematography, kgotsa tse di tsamaelanang le bioscopes le tshireletso ya database, gammogo le tse e leng gore they are architectural drawings ka gore e a bo e le megopolo, dikakanyo tsa beng ba tsone.

Ke tsone dithoto tse di sirelediwang.

Botswana Intellectual Property Policy e tlhamilwe ka thuso ya the World International Property Organisation (WIPO).
Maikelelo a yone fela ke gore Botswana a tle a kgone go palama mo seraleng ka tiriso ya intellectual property, ba rutiwe gore raya eng e bile ba tsenngwe mo seporong sa gore ba tlhaloganye gore ba ka itshetsa ka this kind of property.

Ba ka tlhabolola lefatshe ba dirisa this kind of property.
Jaanong tiragatso ya policy e le tshireletso ya intellectual property e e ka bong e le mo diatleng tsa beng ba yone, e tlaa re thusa gore re kgarameletse lefatshe la Botswana kwa lefatsheng le le gwebang ka dikitso (knowledge-based economy).

E tlaa re thusa gore re kabakanye itsholelo ya Botswana or diversify it gore re tle re tlhamele khumo botlhe, go sena ope yo o salelang kwa morago.
Policy e tebelopele ya yone ke tlaa e bua ka Seesimane ya re, ‘Botswana will be an Intellectual property (IP) driven economy by 2036.’ E tlaa re fa re sena go nna re e diragatsa, re tlaa tsaya policy e e bo jaanong re e tsenya 16 Hansard No 205Thursday 31st March, 2022ADOPTION OF THE BOTSWANA INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY POLICY (BIPP), 2021Motion mo seporong gore e bape, mme e bile e tsamaye e bapile, e tshwaragane le lefoko la rona le le reng Harnessing IP for economic transformation.
Fela ke re policy e, tse e itebagantseng le tsone ke tse di latelang; • Maikaelelo ke gore e kgontshe the IP governance framework, mo e leng gore what it entails ke gore policies tse dingwe tse di tlaa tlhokagalang gore di tlhotlhwe, le ditsamaiso le melao tse di tlaa kgontshang gore environment ya Botswana e, gore lefatshe la Botswana e nne le mo go lone ditshwanelo tse tsa intellectual property, dithoto tse o ka se keng wa di tshwara ka lebogo tse, tsa dikakang, e bo di kgona go sirelediwa.
Le ba ba kgokgontshang ba ba ditshwanelo tsa dithoto tse ba kgone gore metlhale e tsewe ya gore ba tseelwe dikgato ka ke dithoto.

MR SPEAKER: Order!

Order!

Motlotlegi rraarona rraetsho Tona kana o ne o le gaufi thata le go digela?

MR KGAFELA: Ke ne ke se gaufi, ke ikaeletse le to exhaust nako e ke e filweng.

MR SPEAKER: Nnyaa Mokgatla, o tlhalositse o ne o se gaufi, go tlaa re ke kope re eme gone fa.
Ka gore fa o ne o le gaufi ke ne ke tlaa dirisa dithata tsa me jaaka ke di bona mo Standing Order 102.3 go oketsa nakonyana le fa ke ne ke tlaabo ke bolaisa Batlotlegi borraetsho Hikuama tlala.

Jaanong go tlaa re re eme gone fa Batlotlegi Mapalamente ba ye go bona metsinyana ka Serolong.

E tlaa re ka nako ya bobedi re bo re tla re simolola tiro eno ya setšhaba.

Bon appétit!

Dipuisanyo di eme gone fa bakaulengwe.


PROCEEDINGS SUSPENDED AT 1:00 P.M. FOR APPROXIMATELY 1 HOUR PROCEEDINGS RESUMED AT 1:59 P.M. “EXCHANGE OF SPEAKERSHIP” MR SPEAKER (MR SKELEMANI): Honourable Members, may we switch on our videos so we can determine the quorum.

Order!

Order!

Good afternoon Honourable Members!

Let us resume our meeting starting with questions.

LEADER OF THE HOUSE’S QUESTION TIME MR D. L. KEORAPETSE (SELEBI PHIKWE WEST): Thank you.
Mr Speaker the question before us today is about the importance of the system of appointment of Judges in maintaining judicial integrity, independence and public confidence in the judicature.

It is about whether or not the Vice President (VP) appreciates this importance, and if yes whether his Government is doing something about it to bring about a progressive change.
The Umbrella for Democratic Change (UDC) is of the view that the appointment of Judges is an important aspect of judicial independence, which requires that in administering justice Judges should be free from all sorts of direct or indirect interference or influence.

The principle of the independence of the Judiciary seeks to ensure that freedom of Judges to administer justice impartially without any fear or favour.
Now this freedom of Judges has a close relationship with judicial appointments because the appointment system has a direct bearing on the impartiality, integrity and independence of Judges, as well as public confidence in the institution.

Now the question is mainly about the recent appointment of the Chief Justice, the President of the Court of Appeal and Court of Appeal Justices.
In particular whether in exercising his powers under Sections 961 and 1001 and 1002 of the Constitution, his decisions were rational and in national interest or based on some other criteria, and whether the decisions were in line with his oath to respect, protect and defend the Constitution of the Republic of Botswana and by extension to be a President of every Motswana.
I have the following more specific questions with respect to the appointment of the Chief Justice and the President of the Court of Appeal, where the duo, that is the Chief Justice and the President of the Court of Appeal, the most senior in the bench, were they the most qualified, were they the most productive in the sense of delivering sound judgements speedily?
Specifically why were Senior Justices- Abednego Tafa and Isaac Lesetedi overlooked for Chief Justice and President of the Court of Appeal positions respectively?

Was it because they are not experienced enough, was it because they are incompetent, was it because they were not qualified, or is it because of some other irrelevant consideration prohibited by Section 15 of the Constitution?
THEME: JUDICIAL APPOINTMENTS; HIGH COURT, COURT OF APPEAL JUDGES, CHIEF JUSTICE AND JUDGE PRESIDENT Section 15 of the Constitution prohibits discrimination based on among other things political opinion and tribal grounds.
Can the VP explain whether the President 17 Hansard No 205Thursday 31st March, 2022LEADER OF THE HOUSE’S QUESTION TIME in appointing either the Chief Justice or the President of the Court of Appeal does not find or did not find it important, though not a legal requirement, must state at the moment to consult with at least leaders of political parties represented in Parliament and the Judicial Service Commission?
The main concern of the UDC is that the Court of Appeal is a public institution that operates secretly.

Unlike the High Court it does not advertise vacancies that occur and interview applicants or candidates, it would appear.

This is serious, because transparency and openness of selection of Justices reinforces merit and independence of Judges and the Judiciary as an institution.

In our case it would appear Mr Speaker that there is no known written policy of appointment.
Can the VP make the criteria for appointment of Justices of the Court of Appeal, which is applied in practice known to this Parliament?

As I said there is no known published criteria.

Recruitment seems to be based on friendship, dislike or prejudice, we do not know.

To make it to the Court of Appeal what is the process that is followed, in addition to what is stipulated in the Constitution as qualification criteria, and is that process codified in some document, and can the VP make that document public?
This kind of arrangement is akin to corruption Mr Speaker in our view, and is in any event conducive to corruption.

Best practice and principles of good governance require a transparent and merit based process of appointing Justices.

In conclusion a Judiciary whose Judges are appointed not on merit but on partisan or political consideration or other criteria that is unknown eventually become lapdogs of the Executive and lack credibility amongst the people.
Things need to change at the apex court, the Court of Appeal is a public institution and not a private entity, it must lead on issues of merit and openness precisely because it is a court of justice.

We need to know lastly whether the VP finds it desirable to have a President of the Court of Appeal who is judicially head of the apex court, ahead of the administrative head of the Judiciary, being the Chief Justice.
I say this because I do not know if the VP is aware that such an arrangement has the potential for judicial instability as it happened in Lesotho with the tussle between Justice Mahapela Lehohla being the Chief Justice, and who was then Chief Justice, and Justice Matheadira Ramodibedi who was President of the Court of Appeal.

I rest my case here and with that, hear what His Honour the Vice President (VP) has to say on this important question.

Thank you Mr Speaker.


LEADER OF THE HOUSE (MR TSOGWANE): Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

Mr Speaker, kgang e ke ya botlhokwa, ke leboge mmotsi wa potso e. Ke potso e e maleba, e lebagane le gore e ka bodiwa.

Jalo he, ke mo lebogele gore a bo a tlile ka yone.

Ke potso gape e e ka thusang setšhaba go itse se se diragalang fa go hirwa kana go tlhongwa ga Baatlhodi Bagolo, Baatlhodi, gammogo le ba ba okametseng CoA gore go dirwa ka tsela e e ntseng jang.

Go botlhokwa gore setšhaba se itse Mr Speaker.


Ke sone se ke reng ke potso e e maleba, ga e thuse fela ka gore go batliwe se e leng maikutlo a me jaaka go lebega mo potsong gore go na le fa a batliwang.

Ga nke ke ntsha se e leng maikutlo a me because go na le tsamaiso le molao o o salwang morago wa gore go tlhongwe Baatlhodi jaaka ba tlhongwa ka teng.

Molao oo ga o ise o fetoge, go tlaabo go se maleba gore ke tle ka se ke se akanyang le se ke se gopolang ka gore ga se sone se se ka dirwang.
Go tshwanetse go dirwe se se mo molaong gore go salwe tsamaiso jaaka e santse e ntse gompieno, e ke tlaa tlang ke di balolola ka e boditswe ka sejatlhapi, di mo Molao-motheong.

Mo goreng gompieno go bo go tlhomilwe go na le dipelaesego, kana go ipelaetsa e a bo e le go ipelaetsa fela Mr Speaker, ka fa wena o ntseng o lebile ka teng.

E bile ke a itse gore dikgang ga di mo Botswana fela, di mo mafatsheng otlhe jaaka a supile ka lefatshe la Lesotho.
Mafatshe otlhe a tla ka ditsamaiso tse di farologaneng tsa go tlhoma Baatlhodi Bagolo kana batho ba maemo one a. E bile go na le ditshekatsheko tse di dirwang tse di farologaneng, tse di supang gore go a bo go lebilwe eng kwa kae.

Ditshekatsheko tseo di maleba mme ga di ka ke tsa fetola tsamaiso e e santseng e le teng.

Ditshekatsheko tseo re a di itse, re a di bala.


Le borre Dingake jaaka ba ne ba dira, re itse ditshekatsheko tse dingwe gape tse e leng gore le tsone di na la ka fa di lebileng ka teng, tsa supa gore go botlhokwa go le kae gore batho ba maemo a, ba bo ba le mo seemong sa go tlhongwa go setswe ditsetlana dingwe tse ba reng the principles tsa go tlhomiwa ga bone.

Ke dikanoko, ke ditshekatsheko Mr Speaker, tse di dirwang ke bakanoki kwa universities ka go farologana.
E nngwe ya tsone e e leng gore borre Dingake le bone ka kwa university yone eo ya Illinois University Law Journal, Volume 44 e e neng ya supa ditshekatsheko tsa bone ka fa ba neng ba di tlhoma ka teng, ya tswa ka principles di ka nna bo 15.

Re na le bo Latimer House, le tsone ke dikanoko tsa ditshekatsheko tse di supang the independence of the Judiciary le dilo tse di ka 18 Hansard No 205Thursday 31st March, 2022LEADER OF THE HOUSE’S QUESTION TIME amang puso ya batho ka batho, jalojalo.
Ke dikanoko Mr Speaker, tse ke di amogelang, tse ke tsayang gore Motlotlegi Rre Keorapetse ka gore ke motho yo o dirang dikanoko le ene a bala ka bophara, ke dilo tse a di tlhaloganyang, a di tshwantshanya, mme a bo a tla a ipelaetsa golo gongwe gore ga se gore re saletse kwa morago.

Kana sebaka ke sone se ka gore dilo tse dingwe di ka fa Molao-motheong Mr Speaker.
E tlhokana le gore Molao-motheo ke one o o ka kgongwang fa e le gore go na le diphetogo, re setse re bona gore a ga se yone nako ya gore jaanong re tle ka diphetogo tsa go nna jalo.

Re bo re ka leba Molao-motheo o o supang ka fa go tshwanetseng ga dirwa ka teng.

Sebaka ke sone se, se e leng gore batlotlegi, Batswana le botlhe ba ba ipelaetsang ba na le sone.

Ga ke dumele gore mo maemong a a sa tswang go tlhomiwa bosheng a a neng a a bua, go na le ka fa go dirilweng ka teng go sa salwa tsamaiso morago.
Mo gotlhe go ne go setswe tsamaiso e e ntseng e salwa morago ka nako tsotlhe.

Le yone tsamaiso e e ne ya nna e ntse e tokafadiwa mo mabakeng a mangwe jaaka ke tlaa supa fa ke setse ke balolola sentle mokwalo o ka sejatlhapi se ke o kwadileng ka sone.

Fa ke ne ke raya gore Batswana le bone ba tle ba utlwe kgang e gore re bua ka ga eng, re batla go tokafatsa eng, mme fa e le gore re a kgala, go maleba kgotsa jang.
Kana dikgang tsa Molao-motheo Mr Speaker, di tshwana fela gompieno motho a ka tla fa a bo a mpotsa maikutlo a me ka katlholelo leso.

Ga go mo goreng nna ke ikutlwa jang, go mo goreng molao wa reng ka nako eo ka katlholelo leso.

So ga ke ka ke ka tla fa ke bo ke re ga go a siama go dira jalo, kgotsa ke bo ke re ba ba dirileng jalo ba a bo ba dirile phoso fa ba atlholetse motho leso ka gore ba a bo ba setse tsamaiso e e leng teng ya molao ka nako e molao o santseng o le teng, o ise o fetolwe.
So dikgang tse ke tse pedi tse motho a ka di tshwantshanyang.

A bona gore se motlotlegi a se batlang jaaka ke bua ke re go molemo gore a bo a boditse gore re e tlhalose gore mo Molao-motheong, e ntse jang.

Go ya beyond that, go bo go batla opinion ya me ya gore a mme go dirwa sentle, a mme fa mafatshe a mangwe one a dira jaana, a mangwe a sa dira jaana, a go siame kgotsa jang.

Ke gone mo ke reng moo gone ke tlaabo ke sa thuse sepe.

Ke tlaabo ke sa thuse setšhaba se ka sepe.


Ke tshwanetse go ba ruta gore molao gompieno o ntse jaana, fa go na le dikanoko le ditshekatsheko mo nakong e e tlang, di tlaa fetolwa re lebile ka fa lefatshe la rona le tsweletseng ka teng.

Jaaka ke bua, se re se dirang se dirwa ke mafatshe a mangwe, ga se dirwe ke a mangwe, go a farologana.

Fa o ya kwa mafatsheng a mangwe go dirwa jaana, go dirisiwa se, jalojalo mme go bo go sa reye gore se re se dirang, go raya gore sone tota tota ga re dire sentle.
Fa motlotlegi a ne a re thusa ka dikai a re go ikemela ga boatlhodi go amegile ka tsela e, jaanong katlholo ya gore ga e a nna sentle ka gore Moatlhodi yo o tlhomilwe ka tsela e e ntseng jaana, gongwe e ne e ka nna sekai se se botoka.

Fa re tla fela re bua ka gore go dira jaana go tla compromise Moatlhodi Mogolo kana Baatlhodi ba Makgotlatshekelo a magolwane, ga go ka ke ga re thusa mo go kalokalo.
We must come up with living examples ka gore le ene Goromente ke e fa sekai, yo o a tleng a sekisiwe, ga re nke re bona go sokamela kwa go ene, go sa atlholwe sentle ka gore tsheko e a mo ama.

Goromente o tlhola a welwa ke ditsheko, a bo a ye kwa bo CoA mme re a itse gore rotlhe re kgona go ipelaetsa.

le nna fa ke le fa ke kgona go ipelaetsa gore Judge wa gore wa gore ka gore ke a mo itse gongwe o nyalana le party nngwe.
Ke lebile le dikgetsi tsa gagwe gore fa a atlhotse gotsweng foo fa go iwa kwa CoA o nna a latlhegelwa fela, a mme ga se gore Judge yoo jaanong ene ga a mo go direng tiro ya gagwe sentle.

Ke tlaabo ke sa dire sentle ka gore ke tlaabo ke dirisa my own opinion mo go se ke se lebileng.

Jaanong ke ne ke leka gore re avoid opinions tsa rona ka gore re bonye le maloba di re tsentse mo mathateng, re santse re na le dikgang fa pele ga Palamente.
Ke tsaya gore fa ke lebile jaana, ke bona go ne go tshwanetse gore go se ka ga dirwa jalo.

Jaanong ke re ke go leboge Rre Keorapetse go tla ka dipotso tse di ntseng jaana ka gore di tlaa thusa gore re rute setšhaba le rona ka kwa ntle gore as for now, go diragala eng.

A ga go a salwa molao morago kana o bapisitswe, a go santse go tsamaiwa ka fa molao o ntseng ka teng?
Jaanong tsa opinions, studies le researches tse re di badileng, re tlaa goroga mo go tsone fa e setse jaanong e le nako ya gore gongwe re fetole, re baakanye.

Ga gona ope yo o reng studies tseo ga di a siama kana ga di supe boammaaruri ka gore ke dikanoko tse di remeletseng mo researches tse ba di dirileng.

Ga e ka ke ya re mo nakong ya gompieno re santse re na le sebaka sa gore re lebelele ka fa re ka dirang ka teng, re bo re ka dira go ntse jalo.
Nte ke boele ka bokhutshwane Mr Speaker, ke re tota dipotso tse a neng a di botsa tse, di remeletse fela mo selong se le sengwefela fela sa gore baatlhodi ba 19 Hansard No 205Thursday 31st March, 2022LEADER OF THE HOUSE’S QUESTION TIME tlhomiwa ka tsela e e ntseng jang.

Ke sone se e leng gore se botlhokwa mo nakong ya gompieno.

Ke tle ke rulaganye dipampiri tsa me ka fa di ntseng ka teng ke arabe motlotlegi.
THEME: THE JUDICIAL APPOINTMENT; HIGH COURT, COURT OF APPEAL JUDGES, CHIEF JUSTICE AND JUDGE PRESIDENT Mr Speaker, it is of no doubt that all states go through various stages in developmental stages to promote democracy, governance and the rule of law.

This growth goes hand in hand with significant improvements in the rule of law.

It is also common that modern theorists, that modern consistent with Locke’s Philosophy, Constitutional Law often emphasize the separation of powers.
Today’s theme is therefore, very important and highly appreciated, since it is being asked at a time when our country is going through the process of Constitutional review, is therefore, consistent with the opportunity the Government of the day has provided to shape the Constitution of the Republic including those of judicial appointments.
Various publications like those of Justice Bethuel Othogile Key Dingake as appearing in his speech to the Illinois University and others, have assessed the areas that we could improve.

I am happy that since that publication, there has been significant improvements as rendered through his scholarly observations.
APPOINTMENTS OF HIGH COURT JUDGES (1) Mr Speaker, the Judicial Service Commission (JSC) is empowered by Section 103(5) of the Constitution to regulate its own procedure and this procedure is adapted from time to time to enhance its effectiveness.

This position was emphasised in the Court of Appeal Case of the Law Society of Botswana and Another versus The President and Others (The Motumise Judgment).
(2) An example of the adaptation in the appointment procedure was the introduction, several years ago, of advertising vacant positions of High Court Judge.

Prior to this adaptation, High Court Judges were approached through a head-hunting mechanism and offered appointments as Judges of the High Court.

(3) The recent introduction of a comprehensive sworn application form was another such change together with the introduction of psychometric assessments.
In December 2018 the JSC introduced the new appointment procedure being an annual advertised Call for Expressions of Interest with a view to encourage prominent and outstanding lawyers to indicate their willingness to serve on the bench, if available, when a vacancy occurs.

(4) Judicial appointments are very important, and care must be taken in the public interest to ensure that only those whose professional and private lives are above reproach, and who are outstanding performers are appointed.
The JSC considers that if a candidate does not wish to be transparent in all respects, then his or her appointment would not be safe.

(5) All information provided in the application forms is provided in strictest confidence, and no one who is suited for appointment should have any fear of making full disclosure, after which, the shortlisted applicants will be interviewed, and the successful candidate will be selected.
(6) As alluded to earlier, in December 2018 the JSC, through notification in various media outlets, introduced to the members of the public, the new appointment procedure for the appointment of Judges of the High Court.

(7) The new procedure arose from in-depth debate on the effectiveness of the existing system of ad hoc vacancy advertisements and was unanimously agreed upon by all Members of the Commission comprising representatives of the public, of Government, of the Law Society and of the Judiciary.
(8) Mr Speaker, the Notice to the members of the public informed that: 1.1 The JSC has created a Register for the purpose of entering the names of eligible lawyers interested in being considered for the position of Judge of the High Court.

1.2 The Register is kept by the Secretary of the JSC.

1.3 The Commission will, at the beginning of every year, commencing January 2019, call for expressions of interest in the appointment of Judge of the High Court by way of external advertisement.
20 Hansard No 205Thursday 31st March, 2022LEADER OF THE HOUSE’S QUESTION TIME 1.4 Each eligible lawyer who responds to the call for expressions of interest is required to submit his or her curriculum vitae and have his or her name added to the Register.

process.

The Shortlisting Committee of the JSC comprises of the Chief Justice, the President of the Court of Appeal, the Attorney General and the representative of the Law Society.
1.5 The Commission shall, after the closing of the advertisement period, and whenever a vacancy arises, refer to the Register and shortlist names of suitable candidates therefrom.

1.6 The shortlisted candidates will be contacted by the JSC and invited, if available, to formally apply for the vacant position by submitting completed application forms together with the required annexures to the Secretary of the Commission.

Those who apply will be interviewed under oath and scored by the Commission as before.
1.7 Members of the Public were advised that the new procedure shall be implemented by the Commission with effect from 1st January 2019.

1.8 The call for expressions of interest will be open each year for a period of three months from the date of the advert, so that interested and qualified persons may add their names to the Register.
(9) Candidates who respond to the call for expressions of interest are required to ensure that they qualify for appointment to the position of Judge of the High Court in accordance with the detailed and comprehensive criteria laid out in the notice and in Section 96 of the Constitution of the Republic of Botswana.
(10) Mr Speaker, the JSC had noted over the years that senior, prominent and outstanding lawyers were not applying for vacant positions as they are successful in their own right, and have no need to apply for a job.

Rather, they would wish to serve the country as Judges if selected for interview by the JSC itself.

(11) The new procedure sought to combat this issue by introducing the Call for Expressions of Interest.
This procedure has ensured that the JSC has a list that includes prominent and outstanding lawyers to shortlist from which does not involve them applying.

Only those who confirm their availability at the time of a vacancy will be called for interview at that time.
(12) To ensure transparency, the representative of the Law Society of Botswana sitting in the JSC is included in every shortlisting and interview (13) To combat the problem of outstanding lawyers not applying, members of the public, relevant interest groups and the Law Society of Botswana, have been requested through the Call for Expression of Interest, to encourage outstanding lawyers to enter their names on the Register to ensure that the best available talent is availed for service on the bench.
(14) Prominent members of the profession are now able to declare their willingness to serve without being required to apply whenever a vacancy arises and the JSC has seen a marked increase in the number of prominent members of the profession submitting their names to be added to the Register.

This shall remain the procedure laid down by the Judicial Service Commission unless and until they see it fit to adapt the process further.
APPOINTMENT OF JUSTICES OF THE COURT OF APPEAL (COA) Mr Speaker, the Justices of the Court of Appeal are appointed by His Excellency the President of the Republic of Botswana in terms of our nation’s Constitution.

The Judge President is appointed in terms of Section 100 (1) of the Constitution, while other Justices of Appeal are appointed in terms of section 100 (2), by the President acting in accordance with the advice of the JSC.
The court made it vividly clear in the Motumise case that, acting in accordance with the advice of the JSC means that the President is not at liberty to refuse the recommendation of the JSC for the appointment of a Judge unless he has cogent reasons for the refusal, and hence the JSC is the appointing authority.

In that case, the former President of our Republic had declined to endorse the JSC’s recommendation that he should appoint Mr Motumise as a Judge of the High Court.
In terms of Section 103 (4) of the Constitution, the JSC is not subject to the direction or control of any other person or authority in the exercise of its function.

Again, by Section 103 (5), the Commission is empowered to regulate its own procedure.
In the exercise of this power, it has followed the same procedure for the appointment of Justices of Appeal since independence, namely, that when there is a vacancy, names of suitable candidates 21 Hansard No 205Thursday 31st March, 2022LEADER OF THE HOUSE’S QUESTION TIME from Botswana and other jurisdictions with similar legal systems are proposed to the Commission by the President of the Court of Appeal in consultation with the Court of Appeal Justices and the Chief Justice.
After proper consideration the Judicial Service Commission then makes its recommendation to His Excellency the President.

served us well These procedures have since independence, however, Parliament is at liberty to amend the Constitution.
The current Commission on the Review of the Constitution provides the platform for various stakeholders to influence on ways and processes of improving judicial appointments and therefore it is our collective responsibility to encourage mass participation in the consultations.

Once appointed, a Judge shall serve until he or she attains the age of 70 years, which in terms of Section 101 (1) is the retirement age for Judges of the Court of Appeal.
So, unless they are removed as a disciplinary measure following the appointment of a tribunal, they serve until retirement.

Notwithstanding the retirement age however, a Judge may be appointed for a fixed 3-year term which is renewable without limits.

In the interest of continuity, sitting Justices that can do so are routinely invited to renew their contracts.

In terms of Section 4 (1) of the Court of Appeal Act, Cap.

04:01, Parliament has set a number of Judges of the Court of Appeal at 12.
Currently, there are nine members made up of six male Justices and three female Justices.

We have six citizen Justices.

Persons who become Justices of the Court of Appeal have, almost invariably served as High Court Judges, the reason being that the nature of the job requires experience.

For example, Justices Lesetedi, Walia, Gaongalelwe, Dambe, Garekwe and retired Justice Makhwade had all served as High Court Judges prior to their appointments as Justices of the Court of Appeal.
Botswana like many other countries, avails its Judges elsewhere and engages eminent retired Judges from outside our jurisdiction.

Batswana Judges serve or have served in such countries as Lesotho, Swaziland, Namibia, Papua New Guinea and Seychelles.

For now the JSC has determined that the three eminent jurists from other countries who serve on our courts add value and objectivity to our jurisprudence.
APPOINTMENT OF CHIEF JUSTICE APPOINTMENT OF PRESIDENT OF THE COURT OF APPEAL The Judge President is appointed in terms of Section 100 (1) of the Constitution by the President.

Mr Speaker, in closing, let me hasten to say that the Review of the Constitution should be able to bring about the progressive change while building on the successes and strengthening some of the emerging gaps.

It is a process Honourable Members that we must undergo.

I thank you once more the mover of the question.


As I have said, we will continue to have researches, studies and we will continue to make some changes like we have done.

So there is nothing wrong with doing so.

I thank you.

I will not hint my opinion as I said whether in my view this is right or wrong, whether this provides independence of the Judiciary or not.
As I have said, it provids the independence of the Judiciary, unless otherwise an example… HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible)... MR TSOGWANE: Thank you sir.

I thought you wanted to understand more, I still have lot of notes here which I can go over and over for clarity.

I thank you.

Ke bona LOO a tshega, ke tsala ya me Keorapetse.

Ke a leboga Mr Speaker, ke feditse.

MR KEORAPETSE: Mr Speaker, tota kana this question, the Vice President has it.
Paragraph 3 yotlhe ga a e araba e e leng gore tota e ne e botsa ka gore mo go thapeng Chief Justice le President of the Court of Appeal gore a bone ba ke bone ba ba neng ba le bagolwane go gaisa mongwe le mongwe yo o mo dikgotlatshekelong tsa lefatshe la Botswana.

Le gore a ba a ba thapileng, ke bone ba e neng e le gore they are the most qualified, most productive in the sense of gore ba bo ba tlisa judgements le gone ka bofefo.
Le go tlhalosa gore ba babedi ba ba neng ba solofetswe re lebeletse tradition ka gore ba ne ba le senior, e bong Justice Abednego Tafa le Isaac Lesetedi, go ne go tlile jang gore e bo e le bone ba ba sa tsenngwang mo maemong one a?
Se sengwe se ke neng ke se boditse mo go yone paragraph e ke gore, gongwe Mothusa Tautona o ne a ka re sedimosetsa gore tota mme Tautona fa a tlhopha Chief Justice le President of the Court of Appeal, criteria e a e dirisang e e leng gore re ka tsaya gore e ka tsamaelana la Puso ya batho ka batho, ke efe e re sa itseng?

Mr Speaker, the Chief Justice is appointed by His Excellency the President in terms of Section 96 (1) of the Constitution.
Sa bobedi Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, ke boditse Mothusa Tautona ka go thapiwa ga Baatlhodi ba Kgotlakgolo ya Ditsheko ya Boikuelo.

O arabile 22 Hansard No 205Thursday 31st March, 2022LEADER OF THE HOUSE’S QUESTION TIME gore kwa High Court go na le criteria e e leng teng e e leng gore o ne a sosologile gore o ka re e bolelela ya gore positions are advertised, there are interviews and psychometric tests are being run.
A bo a tlhalosa gore jaanong fa go tla mo Court of Appeal Judges, President of the Court of Appeal ke ene a lemogang batho.

Ga ke itse gore ene o ba lemoga ka tsela e e ntseng jang a rotloetswa ke eng, a bontshiwa ke eng.

Go ya ka Mothusa Tautona ke ene a lemogang a bo a isa maina a for consideration kwa Judicial Service Commission.

Ke yone e ke neng ke batla go e tlhomamisa mo go Mothusa Tautona gore kana ke la ntlha selo se re se utlwalela.
Potso ke gore go pala eng gore yone criteria e e kwa High Court ya go thapa Baatlhodi ba High Court gore go bo go bapatswa, go nna le interviews, go bo go nna le bo psychometric test, ke eng e sa dirwe mo Court of Appeal appointments?

Ke yone kgang e ke neng ke batla go e itse mo go Mothusa Tautona.
Ka tsweetswee ke ne ke eletsa gore o ka araba ya paragraph 3, including gone gore a Tautona go na le yo a rerisanang le ene, a o kile a bua le baeteledipele ba parties, a o kile a bua le yone Judicial Service Commission (JSC) bogolo jang fa a thapa Chief Justice le President of the Court of Appeal.

Most importantly, re batla go itse criteria e a e dirisitseng in appointing ba babedi ba.

Ke a leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente.

MR TSOGWANE: Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.


Yes, of course as I have said all these questions, question 1 to 6 are really talking about one thing; appointments tsa Baatlhodibagolo ba Court of Appeal, the Justices, the Judges.

I was making reference to the Sections in the Constitution, tse e leng tsone di laolang Tautona gore go ka tlhophiwa ka tsela e e ntseng jang.

As I have said, I did not dwell into the merit of how the President would have assessed an individual against the other.
Yes, some talk about seniority, but the only thing which we should know is that ga o ka ke wa tlhopha kana wa tsaya yo the JSC did not appoint.

That is the bottom line.

The other one ya Baatlhodi, if a Judge qualifies, yo mongwe is a senior, depending on what you are looking at because they both qualify, ke ka tsaya ofe.
Ke tsaya gore moo Tautona o a bo a lebile gore, because they are all qualified, whether you are senior or you are not senior, but if both qualify ka fa tsamaiso e ntseng ka teng kana ka fa Molaomotheo o supang ka teng, you both qualify, any of you can be appointed.

Ga ke tseye gore seniority ya teng e raya fela jaaka gongwe mo sesoleng go tshwanetse gore fa go tswa yo go bo go tsena yo jalojalo.

Because some of these people they qualify, some may not be in the system yet.
That is why it is advertised even outside, external advertisement means that yo gongwe o a bo a sa tlhole a le mo system or they might not be practicing anymore, but they all qualified.

Ke bue ka criteria e a e buang, ke tsaya gore botlhe they qualify.

I cannot stand here and be in the mind of the President, when he appointed.

Ke bua fela ka molao le tsamaiso e e leng teng, e a e setseng morago gore o ne a setse tsamaiso morago, ga a tlola tsamaiso.
Gore jaanong a bo a ne a lebile ka leitlho lefe, ga ke itse gore e tsena fa kae eo.

MR KEORAPETSE: Ke kopa tlhaloso Your Honour, mo go eo gore President ke eng a ne a tswa from an established tradition ya gore the most Senior Judge is appointed Chief Justice, the most Senior kwa Court of Appeal is appointed by the President of the Court of Appeal.

Why did he depart from the tradition?

What extraordinary abilities did he find mo go ba babedi bao.
MR TSOGWANE: Ke a go utlwa Rre Keorapetse, gore o bua ka se ke se buang ke re departing from the tradition as I have said, when you have names of all people who are qualified, then I cannot predict what was going in the President’s mind when he departed from the tradition.

People will always depart from the tradition for various reasons.

Even our voters here will vote for someone ba sa tlhophe Keorapetse kwa Selibe Phikwe, ba tlhopha setaboshane fela yo e leng la ntlha a tlhophiwa, ba bo ba go tlogela.
I do not know what would be going on in the mind of those voters.

Tota e thata gore ke e arabe motlotlegi.

DR GOBOTSWANG: Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

Honourable Vice President (VP), ke kopa gore o tsepame mo goreng kana Baatlhodi ba Kgotlakgolo ya Ditsheko, ke batho ba seemo se se kwa godimo fela thata.

Ka tsela nngwe ke bone ba ba dirang melao kwa ntleng ga Palamente.
Jaanong o tlhalositse sentle gore ba High Court ba tlhophiwa ka tsela e e ntseng jang, jaanong ga o tlhalose gore ba Court of Appeal sentlentle wa re ba tlhophiwa ka tsela e e ntseng jang.

Sephiri ke sa eng, o fitlha eng Your Honour?

Kgang e a ko tlhatswe fela sentle ka gore, fa o ka se ke o e tlhatswe mo Batsweneng go tlaa nna jaaka o kareng go dirisiwa ditsamaiso dingwe di sele, gongwe tsa sepolotiki kana botsala fela jaana.
A ko tsepame mo kgannyeng e. 23 Hansard No 205Thursday 31st March, 2022LEADER OF THE HOUSE’S QUESTION TIME Ya bobedi ke gore, o tlhalosetse Batswana gore ba ba leng mo JSC ba kae ka palo le gore ba ba tlhophiwang ke Tautona ba kae ka palo?

Fa bontsi bo tlhophiwa ke Rraetsho Tautona, a mme moo go tlaabo go sa dire gore jaanong Tautona o ka felela a tlhophile bangwe ba ba ka dirang se ene o ka tswang a se akantse ka dinako tse di rileng.

Sephiri ke sa eng fa go botsolotswa batho ba seemo se?
Tota fela gore e bo Judges tsa lefatshe le di botsolosetswa mo sephiring, e bile ba Court of Appeal bone ga ba umakege le gore a mme ba a botsoloswa kana jang, gongwe le bone ba botsosolosetswa mo sephiring.

Sephiri ke sa eng Your Honour?

Le tlaa iphitlhela le dirile mathata.

Ke go fe sekai fela o tle o tlhaloganye gore mathata ke eng, go kile ga nna le mongwe motlhatlhelela dithuto wa University of Botswana (UB), a palelwa ke tiro e bile a palelwa ke to mark dipampiri tsa bana ba sekole.
Ya re a lebile gore a kobiwe, ra gakgamala a hirwa jaanong e nna Judge.

Dilo tse Your Honour, la reng ka tsone?

A mme ga go reye gore tsamaiso e ga se yone Your Honour the Vice President, ke a leboga.

MR TSOGWANE: Ke a leboga Motlotlegi Dr Gobotswang.

Kana o mpotsa tsamaiso ka fa e ntseng ka teng.

O dumalana le nna gore go ntse jalo, mme se o se buang ke gore ka fa tebong ya gago go ka bo go sa nna jalo.
I cannot argue with you and your argument, that is what you feel like, it is what you think should be happening.

All these are insights, which will assist us going forward as we transform.

Ke buile jalo gore there will be Researchers like Dr Gobotswang, who will come with their own insights, ba tlaa re thusa gore re nne re tsamaye re fetola fale le fale.

There is nothing wrong with that.

Ga go a tlolwa tsamaiso epe e e kwadilweng, e go katweng go ne gotwe go se ka ga botsolosetswa mo sephiring.
Fa o ne o bua jaana go na le fa go kwadilweng gore go se ka ga botsolosetswa mo sephiring, I would agree with you gore sephiri ke sa eng, ka gore molao o papametse wa re go se ka ga botsolosetswa mo sephiring.

Now we are talking about what is taking place, and what other people feel should be taking place, ga gona fa re ganetsanang teng, ga gona se re ka se lwelang.

Ke go botse gongwe ke e busetse mo go wena gore, re lwela eng tota gone, fa tsamaiso e ntse jaaka e ntse, e salwa morago jaaka e ntse.
Yes, e ka tokafadiwa, there is always room for improvement as they always say.

Ga gona mo gotweng re fitlheletse perfections.

We will continue to perfect our laws and rules.

Re ya go nna le batho ba ba tlaa nang ba tlisa diphetogo jaaka di ntse di tsweletse.

Fa ke ka go bolelela ka ya Latima House, ke dilo tse di diragetseng ka bo 17th Century, fa go tla go buiwa ka separation of powers.

Ke dilo tse di neng di diragala from an African American.
O e leng gore ka fa go neng go ntse ka teng go ne ga diragala, whether it was an accident, history or anything, go bo go felela go nna le recession e e leng gore is around …(inaudible)… House.

Ke ditlhotlhomiso tse di tlhokafalang gore di nne di nna teng.

Re nne re ntse re tlhotlhomisa re tla ka dikgakololo fela jalo.

There is nothing wrong with that.

Jaanong ya appointment of Justices of the Court of Appeal; ke e badile jaaka e ntse.
Justices of the Court of Appeal are appointed by His Excellency the President of the Republic of Botswana in terms of our nation’s Constitution.

The Judge President is appointed in terms of Section 100 Subsection (1) of the Constitution, while other Justices of Appeal are appointed in terms of Section 100 Subsection (2) by the President acting in accordance with the advice of the Judicial Service Commission (JSC), a diragatsa se ba tlaabong ba se mo gakolotse ba se mmoleletse, ba se mo neetse.
I thank you Mr Speaker.

MR SPEAKER: We have run out of time for the questions.

I understand that there was some discussion at the General Assembly which I did not attend as I was not here, that the time for questions today will go beyond the 45 minutes.

Nobody has moved as far as I know, for the suspension of the Standing Order which has put the 45 minutes.

If nobody moves, I have to end the questions.


BUSINESS MOTION MR KEORAPETSE (SELEBI PHIKWE WEST): I beg to move Mr Speaker, that we suspend the Standing Order requiring that we deal with questions for 45 minutes.

That Standing Order… HONOURABLE MEMBER: 131.1 MR KEORAPETSE: 131.1 sir.

I so move.
I so move.

MR SPEAKER: Honourable Members, as I understand in accordance with what you discussed at the General Assembly, the question is that the time for questions should be extended by 45 minutes to 3:30 p.m. HONOURABLE MEMBER: Mr Speaker, o lebelele 131.1, Deputy Speaker o latlhetse Mopalamente mo sekgweng.

24 Hansard No 205Thursday 31st March, 2022LEADER OF THE HOUSE’S QUESTION TIME MR SPEAKER: Nnyaa mme ga ke ka ke ka mo latlhela mo sekgweng, ke yone ngwana wa ga nkgonne.
HONOURABLE MEMBER: 131.1 ke ya procedure in case of doubt.

MR SPEAKER: 130.1.

MR KEORAPETSE: 130.1.

MR SPEAKER: Yes, ga ke go... HONOURABLE MEMBER: That one is the correct one.

131.1 was the wrong one.

MR SPEAKER: Ke rraago, o nne o mpuisa ka maitseo, ke borraago.

HONOURABLE MEMBERS: ...(Laughter!)...

MR SPEAKER: Honourable Members, we have seen how I found the question.

MR KEORAPETSE: Yes sir.

MR SPEAKER: That was deliberate.

Question put and agreed to.


MR SPEAKER: Honourable Members, let us therefore proceed to the other questions.
QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER WATER BOWSING AT HIS EXCELLENCY’S FARMS OR PROPERTIES MR L. LESEDI (SEROWE SOUTH): asked the Minister for Presidential Affairs, Governance and Public Administration to state: (i) how much has been paid to Government drivers in overtime payments to bowse water to any of His Excellency’s farms or properties and the number of Government vehicles and bowsing trucks or bowsers used for the task; (ii) if bowsing forms part of the Presidential benefits and entitlements; and (iii) why Government does not see the need to drill a borehole as opposed to regular bowsing looking at the long term cost in terms of time, money and the number of Government employees involved in the activity.
FOR AND MINISTER PRESIDENTIAL AFFAIRS, GOVERNANCE PUBLIC (MR MORWAENG): Ke ADMINISTRATION a leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente.

Rraetsho, ke ikokobetse mme ke leboge boeteledipele jotlhe jo boleng fano.

Potso e e boditswe ka Seesemane, le nna ke tlaa e araba jalo ka mokwalo.

O tlaa ntetla ka motsotso gore ke e tlhalose ka Setswana.

(i) Mr Speaker, Public Service Act Section 31 is clear on the provision relating to payment of overtime allowance.
It is an entitlement for any person employed in the public service to be paid an overtime allowance where such employee has worked extended hours and outside the normal working hours.

There is a bowser truck under the Office of the President (OP) which is allocated a driver who operates it and responsible for the provision of portable water to any place where there is need for such, for the consumption of the President and his entourage including other assignments that the officer may be tasked with.
From April 2020 to date, the officer has been paid an amount of P148, 588.73 as overtime allowance.

(ii) As the sitting President, His Excellency’s welfare is the sole responsibility of Government.

That includes provision of basic necessities such as water, food, security, transport etcetera.
The Green Book under Section XI in particular paragraph 48 (5) provides that, “all expenses relating to the domestic upkeep of the President including utilities shall be met from public funds.” Government is therefore required to supply water and other amenities to His Excellency the President for his upkeep and security wherever he is, as part of his benefits provided for in the Green Book.

(iii) The current status quo does not warrant a borehole to be drilled for the President.
Bowsing is a temporary measure to address water demand in the short term.

It must be understood that the provision of water is not fixed to the President’s farm or any other of his private property, but anywhere in the country and is provided by Water Utilities Corporation (WUC).

The current system of bowsing water is therefore, the most suitable.

It is worth noting that Government cannot drill a borehole on a privately owned land.

Thank you Mr Speaker.


25 Hansard No 205Thursday 31st March, 2022QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER MR LESEDI: Supplementary.

Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

Ke ntse ke reeditse Tona a araba.

Jaanong se ke ka salang morago mo go sone ke gore a re, Goromente ga a ka ke a epa sediba mo lefelong la mong wa lone.

Ke leba ditshenyegelo tse e leng gore mo isagong, ba akanya go dira jang?

A ga ba akanye gore madi a teng a ka felela a phuntse sediba Mr Speaker?

Ke a leboga.
Ke a leboga.

MR MORWAENG: Ee rra, ke go leboge Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente.

Potso e ka fa e neng e boditse ka teng, ke ne ke supa gore ka tsamaiso ya Puso, yo o dirang mo Pusong dioura tse di fetileng tse a di beetsweng tsa tsamaiso ya Puso, o duelwa overtime ya gagwe e e mo tshwanetseng.

Ke ne ke supa ke re ka tsamaiso ya Puso, go na le ditshetla tse di ka fa molaong tse di supang gore yo o mo setilong o tlhokomelwa jang, o thusiwa jang a tlamelwa ke Puso.
Go tlamelwa mo ke Puso ga go felele fela mo go ene, le ba ba neng ba le mo setilong go na le ka fa ba tlamelwang ka teng.

Go na le ditshetlana tse di kwadilweng ka fa molaong, tse di supang gore o tlamelwa jang.

Jaanong ditlamelo tse tsotlhe tse a di fiwang, re tsenya le kgang ya metsi mo teng di ka fa molaong.

Ke ne ke supa gore o neelwa metsi fa a tlhokafalang teng, e le kgang e e temporary, selo sa nakwana, to bows metsi e a bo e le dilo tsa nakwana.
Re ne re supa gore to drill borehole go ne go se mo lenaneong le re nang le lone.

Fa e le gore mokaulengwe o na le kakanyo ya gore gongwe o ka tla ka Tshutiso eo ya gore re kgone go ka dira jalo, e ka sekwasekwa, ke a dumela ga se se se ka ganwang.

O ka tla ka Tshutiso a kope gore re epele Motlotlegi Rraetsho Tautona borehole.

O ka tla ka Tshutiso yone eo, e tlaa sekwasekwa.

Ke a leboga.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Minister ga a nkarabe Mr Speaker.
ELECTRIFICATION OF LEPASHE VILLAGE MR P. MAJAGA (NATA-GWETA): asked the Minister of Mineral Resources, Green Technology and Energy Security to state: (i) when Lepashe Village will be electrified as was promised: and (ii) what has caused the delay in the electrification process.

MINISTER OF MINERAL RESOURCES, GREEN TECHNOLOGY AND ENERGY SECURITY (MR MOAGI): Ke a leboga Mr Speaker, ke dumedise Ntlo eno.

Ke lebogele potso ya ga Honourable Majaga.


Ke supe jaana gore re le ba lephata re tshwaragane le koporase e e isang metlakase, re supa jaana gore ditshekatsheko di a dirwa gore go atolosiwa jang metlakase go ya kwa metseng le gore go gokelwa jang metse e mešha.

Go dirwa jalo ngwaga le ngwaga, mme fa go dirwa jalo ngwaga le ngwaga, madi a a bo a kgaogantswe ka nako ya go kgaoganngwa madi a setšhaba.
Ka jalo, go gokela metlakase e kana go isa metlakase, ke lenaneo le le teng le le nnang le sutelela jaana go lebilwe metse e e ya bong e tlhophilwe mo nakong e e maleba ka tsela e e ntseng jalo.

Fa re lebile motse o wa Lepashe, le one fela o tsenngwa mo kgatlhong jaaka go a bo go lebilwe metse e mengwe e le yone e tlhokang metlakase, mme e re ka thulaganyo e e ntseng jalo, ba bo ba nna ba sutelela fa pele fa madi a bonetse.
Le tlaa gakologelwa gore re tsweletse jalo, le mo bogautshwaneng go na le metse e ka nna masome a mane e e neng e sa tswa go supiwa e e tlaabong e tsenngwa mme ka maswabi, Lepashe o ne a se mo teng.

Legale ka gore jaanong re simolola ngwaga o mošha wa madi, re solofela gore e tlaa re fa go ntse go sekwasekwa, motse o wa Lepashe le one o tsene mo teng ga ditshekatsheko tseo.
Ee, go ne go le botlhokwa gore go nne le ditiego ka gore re tlaa lemoga gore mo dingwageng tse pedi tse, bontsi jwa projects di ntse di sa tswelele ka ntlha ya gore go ne go itebagantswe le gore go lwantshiwe bolwetse.

Jaanong ka gore e ka re seemo se tlaa tokafala, re solofela gore motse o wa Lepashe o tlaa wela mo metseng e e tlaa gokelwang motlakase.

Ke a leboga ka mafoko a a kalo, ke eme.

MR MAJAGA: Supplementary.

Ke a leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, ke a go leboga Tona.
Tota ga o nkarabe mo ke welang letsatsi leno Tona, ga ke itse gore mathata ke eng ka Lepashe ke motse wa gago, le Mosetse le Dukwi, o bereketse koo.

Tota potso ya ga Motlotlegi Majaga e ne e le gore kana Lepashe e ne e le mengwe ya metse e e neng e sekilwe e le mo dipampiring o tshwanetse gore o ye go dirwa, I think ka nako ya ga Tona Molale a santse a le fa o leng teng.

Jaanong ke motse o motona.

Metse ka bontsi mo kgaolong ya Nata-Gweta e fitlhela Lepashe e le motse, e mentsi thata.
Fa o re go santse go tlaa sekasekiwa, ke utlwa ke tsietsega ka gore e ne e le mengwe… ke na le pampiri ya teng, ke sone se ke reng ga o tsepame, o tlaa re bolaisa batho ba Lepashe ka gore tsela ga e yo, motlakase ga o yo.

26 Hansard No 205Thursday 31st March, 2022QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER Fa o bona Tona, a ga go na sepe se o ka se dirang wa tlhodumela fa o ka tlhodumelang teng wa ya go thusa batho bao monngame ka o itse motho oo e bile e le mengwe ya metse e e mo boteng jwa pelo ya gago?
HONOURABLE MEMBERS: ...(Laughter!)...

MR MOAGI: ...(Laughter!)...

Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

Nnyaa, motse ke a o itse e bile ke kgaolo e ke e ratang thata.

Jaaka ke ne ke supa, re setse re le mo lenaneong la gore metse e mengwe e e tlaabong e atamela e tsene mo lenaneong.

Mme ka gore ke motse, re leba dipalo le dilo tse dingwe tse dintsinyana mo teng.

Jaaka e bile o le fa gare ga Mosetse le Matsitama e bile go na le ditiro tse di tshwanang le meepo gone ka koo, ke dingwe tse di lejwang.
Nona pelo ka mathe, o tlaa tsena mo teng tikologong e e tlaabong e latela.

E se favour, e le ka fa thulaganyo e tsamayang ka teng ya to assess metse e e tlaabong e gokelwa metlakase.

So, ke dumela jalo rra gore o tlaabo o tsena mo batch e e tlaabong e latela.

Ke raya gore nona pelo ka mathe rra.

Thank you.

MR MAJAGA: Further supplementary Mr Speaker.

Ke a go leboga Tona, ke a go tlhaloganya.


Tota kgang e e dirile gore maikutlo a me a tlhakatlhakane ka kgang ya motlakase wa Lepashe, mathata e le gore kana fa o utlwa ke rialo, tota le nna ga ke batle favour.

O ne o le teng in the plans le sengwe le sengwe se le teng, o ntshitswe ke mang Tona?

A o ne wa o ntsha ka go tsena gago kana jang?

Ga ke tlhaloganye tota, ke akabetse fa ke ka dirisa Setswana se se maleba.

MR MOAGI: Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.


Honourable Majaga, ga ke bone gore a o ka ntshiwa ka gore fa motho a goroga o feta a rolelwa tse di neng di le teng a bo a di lebelela le ene.

Ke ka go e balela e ke e tshotseng, ga o yo.

Ga go na molato, o tlaa fiwa gangwefela sentle.

Jaaka ke go solofeditse, o a goroga sentle mo criteria e e beilweng.

So, o tlaa tsena sir.

Ke a leboga.
PPP MODEL IN LOCAL COUNCILS MR T. B. LUCAS (BOBONONG): asked the Minister of Local Government and Rural Development to: (i) state the number and list of local Councils that have utilised the Public Private Partnership model and in each case the type and number of projects embarked upon by such Councils; (ii) update this Honourable House on Local Council projects that will use the PPP model in this and the next financial years; and (iii) outline challenges faced by Councils in the use of the PPP model and how such challenges are addressed.
OF MINISTER ASSISTANT LOCAL GOVERNMENT AND RURAL DEVELOPMENT (MR MODUKANELE): Ke a leboga ke bo ke leboge le Mopalamente wa Bobonong Rre Lucas for question Mr Speaker.

(i) Mr Speaker, currently, there is no Council that has utilised the Public Private Partnership (PPP) model.

(ii) My ministry has not received any council projects that will use the PPP model in this financial year.

However, for the National Development Plan (NDP) 12, councils have been encouraged to include PPP project proposals.
(iii) Mr Speaker, given that councils have not implemented any projects under the PPP model, challenges if any, will only arise as implementation ensues.

It must be noted that some private investors have shown interest in projects that are commercially viable, and as indicated by Honourable Minister of Finance and Economic Development in the 2022 Budget Speech, the ministry is developing guidelines to facilitate ministries and councils in the implementation of the PPP projects.
In the meantime, my ministry continues to engage with relevant stakeholders, including Ministry of Finance and Economic Development, to sensitise and build capacities in councils to understand PPP principles, including conclusion of development of guidelines that councils will use, going forward.

Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

MR LUCAS: Supplementary.

Ke a leboga Tona.


Ke ne ke re la ntlha fela ke supe gore re le Komiti ya Local Government, re ne ra tsamaya le dikhansele di le mmalwanyana; Ghanzi, North West, Sowa le Selebi Phikwe mme ba supa gore le ba rotloetsa go dirisa PPP model mo ditlhabololong le le ministry, mme ba supa gore ga go na molao that guides PPP model.

A ke nnete ga go na molao ope o o tsamaelanang kgotsa o guide tsamaiso ya the PPP model?
Fa e le gore molao wa go nna jalo ga o yo, mme gone mo NDP 12 fa e le gore le rotloetsa dikhansele gore di dirise PPP model, le tlaabo le dirisa tool efe kgotsa molao ofe gore dikhansele di kgone go tseya advantage ya PPP model?
27 Hansard No 205Thursday 31st March, 2022QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER Fa e le gore ke nnete ga gona molao e le potso ya boraro, mme jaanong ga le bone go ka diya ditlhabololo ka gore investors gantsi fa di batla go tsena mo partnership le Puso di batla certainty, di batla molao o o papamentseng?

Ga le bone gore go tlhoka molao go ka dira gore investors dingwe di goge maoto, mme go bo go raya gore go ka diya ditlhabololo mo districts kana dikgaolo tse di farologaneng?

Ke a leboga rraetsho.


going back fa moragonyana, we came up with a policy e e leng gore jaaka re tla ka guidelines, tumelo ke gore the regulations and guidelines they will guide that nnetane, mme fa e le gore...(inaudible)… will do everything that it takes to make sure gore this policy is implemented and whatever it takes e bo e ka re ka yone nako eo re bona gore dilo di nna teng and are in place Mr Speaker.

Ke a leboga sir.
Ke a leboga sir.

MR MODUKANELE: Ke a leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, ke lebogele Mopalamente ka supplementary question eo.

Mma ke supe ka boripana Mr Speaker gore, ke supile mo karabong gore le maloba fa Minister wa Finance a re baya pele Appropriation Bill ya ngwaga o, o ne a supa gore they are still developing guidelines tse e leng gore ke tsone tse di tlaabong di supa, e bile di gakolola ka fa PPP model o ka dirisiwang ka teng.
Those partnership between the private sector le Goromente le gone kwa dikhanseleng, ke boammaaruri re a rotloetsa gore when everything is done, re rotloetsa thata dikhansele gore di o dirise model wa PPP Mr Speaker.
Ke supe gape gore, if you go back fa moragonyana, o tlaa gakologelwa, fa o gakologelwa sentle Mopalamente gore mo ngwageng tse di fetileng, Goromente o ne a tla ka what we called Public Private Partnership Policy and Implementation Framework, e e leng gore tota that is the basis of this whole concept ya PPP.
Se se dirwang gompieno ke gore go santse go felelediwa the guidelines tse e leng gore tsholofelo ya rona ke gore, in the first quarter of this coming financial year di bo di feditswe Mr Speaker, mme gone moo ke gone jaaka go tlaabo go tlhagolela tsela jaanong ya gore re ka dirisa the PPP model, jaaka e le maikaelelo a ga Goromente.

Ke a leboga MR LUCAS: A quick supplementary Mr Speaker.

MR SPEAKER: Last one.

MR LUCAS: Supplementary Mr Speaker.


Ke ne ke re kana golo fa tumelo ya me ke gore PPP model is not a traditional method of procurement, mme jaanong e tlhoka molao o o papametseng.

Ke ne ke boditse gore, a mme gone go na le molao that guides PPP?

Fa e le gore molao oo ga o yo, le tlaabo le e dira ka mohuta o o ntseng jang, o o ka se kang gongwe wa felela o kgobile marapo ba ba batlang go kopanela tiro le Puso kana kgwebo le Puso?

Ke a leboga.
Ke a leboga.

MR MODUKANELE: Mr Speaker, e tlaa ne e kete re boelela mafoko a le mangwefela.
Ke lekile go supa gore NSWAZWI/KALAKAMATI DIRT ROAD DR N. TSHABANG (NKANGE): asked the Minister of Transport and Communications: (i) If he is aware of the dirt road, that connects Nswazwi/Kalakamati villages via a modern and world class bridge by Shashe River; (ii) state source of funds that were used to construct the bridge at Shashe River; (iii) why the dirt road connecting the villages was left unattended; and (iv) whether there are any plans to upgrade the road.

Later Date.
Later Date.

TOWN AND CITY COUNCILS SELF-FUNDING MR T. LETSHOLO (KANYE NORTH): asked the Minister of Local Government and Rural Development to apprise this Honourable House on specific initiatives and efforts of town and city councils to self-fund, and further state: (i) when councils will be in a position to fully fend for themselves; (ii) what proportion of their annual expenditures is funded from their own revenue; and (iii) if they can make enough money to invest in revenue generating projects.
Later Date.

NUMBER OF DOCTORS AT AREA W AND GABORONE WEST CLINICS MR C. GREEFF (GABORONE BONNINGTON SOUTH): asked the Minister of Health and Wellness to state: (i) the number of doctors at Area W Clinic in Francistown and Gaborone West Clinic respectively; 28 Hansard No 205Thursday 31st March, 2022QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER (ii) if they satisfy the acceptable doctor: patient ratio to deliver medical services to patients with competence; if not (iii) are there any plans to mitigate the situation.
ASSISTANT MINISTER OF HEALTH AND WELLNESS (MR LELATISITSWE): Thank you so much Mr Speaker and thank you Honourable Member for the question.

Mr Speaker, ke supe jalo gore Area W Clinic e e kwa Francistown, e neela ditlamelo tse tsa go belegisa le tsa go bona balwetse jaaka ba tsena mo clinic.
(i) Ke supe jaana Mr Speaker gore, ga gona ngaka e e leng gore gongwe go ka twe it is allocated directly to clinic ya Area W. Clinic e is covered by dingaka, one doctor per shift ka schedule sa bone sa dingaka tsotlhe tse di mo toropong ya Francistown.

Mme go a kgonagala gore nako nngwe ga bo go sena ngaka gotlhelele mo shift e nngwe, kana dingaka fa gongwe di kgona go nna pedi mo shift e nngwe.

Fa ba bangwe ba ile go ikhutsa kana fa ba boile ba le bantsi, go kgonagala gore ba nne babedi per shift.
Fa re tsena mo G-West Clinic Mr Speaker, maternity; ke clinic e e nang le fa go belegisiwang teng, mme it operates jalo 24 hours gone ka kwa side ya maternity kana ka kwa go belegisiwang teng.

Fa Outpatient Department (OPD), kana ka kwa go bonwang balwetse ba ba tlang letsatsi le letsatsi, it operates maphakela go ema ka nako ya half past four.

Mr Speaker, due to shortages of doctors, mo toropokgolo ya Gaborone, Greater Gaborone region, G-West Clinic ga e na ngaka e e nnang e le teng letsatsi le letsatsi.
Dingaka di a tla to cover clinic e gararo mo bekeng.

Jaaka ke ne ke araba maloba gore clinic e ya G-West, in the Gaborone catchment area, e go nang le clinic that operates 24 hours gone mo region e, e e leng gore it is 2.2 kilometres away from the same clinic ya G-West, e le yone e nang le dingaka that covers 24 hours.
(ii) Back to Area W Clinic Mr Speaker, the doctor to patient ratio based on the actual workload, as per the 2021 statistics, go a supagala jalo gore one doctor is per 37 patients, mme fela the ratio based on the population ya Area W, ke one doctor per 937 patients.

Mme fa re e tsaya re e tshwaraganya le ba World Health Organisation (WHO), bone kana ngaka o mongwefela o tshwanetse gore a bone batho ba le 1000.
Ke sone se se supang jalo gore ntswa le fa re ka tswa re le kwa tlase ga bone ba World Health Organisation standard, mme fela gone go a tlhokafala gore dingaka di nne teng, ke tsaya jalo gore o lebeletse batho ba ba leng teng foo.

Ke supe gape gore le gone mo kgaolong e go na le dingaka tse di ikemetseng ka nosi, tse le tsone di thusang, batho ba ba leng foo ba a di dirisa Mr Speaker.
Area W Clinic Mr Speaker jaaka ke bua gore le fa ntswa e kgotsofatsa the ratio ya go thusa jalo, e e leng gore fa re tsamaisanya le bone ba World Health Organisation, re bona e wela within kana e le botoka thata.

Mme fa re tsaya G-West ke supe jalo gore they do not meet that doctor to patient ratio e e leng gore ke ya World Health Organisation.

Ka gore go na le malatsi a e leng gore ga gona ngaka gotlhelele.
Mme jaaka ke buile gore go na le Julia Molefhe, e e leng gore it is 2.2 km away from the clinic ya G-West, ke gone mo re iphitlhelang jalo batho ba ba leng mo G-West ba ya go tsaya ditlamelo teng koo.
(iii) Go leka go baakanya seemo se sa tlhaelo ya dingaka, re tswelela jalo e le gore districts kana gone mo dikgaolong tse e leng gore clinics tse di iphithela di le mo go tsone jalo, re leka gore referral system kana Emergency Medical System (EMS), ba bo ba eme ka dinao dinako tse tsotlhe go bona gore fa go tlhokafala le gore molwetse o ka tabogedisiwa fa go nang le ngaka teng, go diragale jalo ka bokhutshwane Mr Speaker.
Gape re le lephata le rona re tsweletswe jalo go buisana le ba tertiary education gore ba tseye bana ba le bantsi gore ba ye go dira bongaka go thusa jalo gore mo isagong tlhaelo ya dingaka e wele kwa tlase.

Fela gape le gone jaaka re bua, balwetse ba rona ba ba tlhokang bongaka, bangwe we refer them kwa private sectors kana dipatela tse di ikemetseng, gore ba re thuse Mr Speaker.

Ke a leboga.

MR GREEFF: Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

Ke go utlwa sentle Tona.


Ke re ke botse ka gore letsatsi le letsatsi balwetse ba ba yang kwa Gaborone West Clinic go na le ba ba tlhokanang le go bonwa ke ngaka mo go bone, ke utlwa gape o bua gore go na le ba le ba romelang kwa private clinics.

Ke ba le kae ba ba kgonang go bonwa ke ngaka?

O bo o re fa ratio ya balwetse ba ba bonwang ke ngaka kwa Julia Molefhe Clinic, dingaka di kae, e bile ba bona balwetse ba le kae mo letsatsing?
O bo o mpolelela le gore a palo yone eo ya kwa Julia Molefhe fa o e kopanya le batho ba ba tlhokanang le go bonwa ke ngaka kwa Gaborone West Clinic, a dingaka tseo di ka kgona?

Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

29 Hansard No 205Thursday 31st March, 2022QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER MR LELATISITSWE: Thank you so much Mr Speaker.

Jaaka ke buile Mr Speaker, kwa Julia Molefhe go nna le ngaka yo o theogelang koo gararo mo bekeng.
Go thata gore gongwe ke fe a ration ya balwetse ba ba bonwang ke ngaka, kana ba ba rometsweng kwa private facilities ba tswa kwa Gaborone West.

Balwetse ba ba mo kgatelelong ya go tlhoka ngaka, letsatsi le e leng gore ngaka ga e yo kwa Gaborone West, they are referred kwa Julia Molefhe Mr Speaker, go ya go bonwa ke dingaka tse di theogeletseng ka koo.

Ya gore a mme batho ba ba yang kwa Julia Molefhe go kopa dithuso, a re a kgotsofala?
Ga re kgotsofale Mr Speaker, batho ba tsamaya ka bokete jo bontsi thata.

Ke gone mo re tswelelang fela jalo ke ntse ke bua gore kana tlhaelo ya dingaka mo Gaborone kana mo lefatsheng le lotlhe ka bophara, e kwa godimo mme re a leka Mr Speaker.

Fa ke tsaya Gaborone, in 2010 Gaborone City e ne na le 41 doctors nako eo.

Gompieno re na le dingaka di le 20 fela ka gore bangwe ba tlogetse tiro ba ile kwa mafulong a matalana.
Gompieno we have merged Mogoditshane le Tlokweng, which le bone ba na le dingaka tse tharo.

Se re leka go oketsa dingaka tse di teng mo dikgaolong tse tsa rona.

Jaanong gompieno re iphitlhela e le gore mo Gaborone City, re na le 22 doctors, Tlokweng has seven and Mogoditshane 12, e le tlhaelo fela e re e bonang le rona.
Jaaka ke buile gore dingaka ka bontsi di a re tlogela rra di ya kwa private sector, mme re ntse re a leka gore mo re nang le gone, re leke go ba kgaoganya gore ba kgone go thusana mo clinics tsa rona tse di leng teng mo Gaborone.

Mme gone go santse go le thata rraetsho.

Ke a leboga.
TENDERS AWARDED BY PPADB MR D. SALESHANDO (MAUN WEST): asked the Minister of Finance and Economic Development to state if there have been any tenders awarded by the Public Procurement and Asset Disposal Board (PPADB) in the last five years through competitive bids that were cancelled and later directly awarded to companies that had failed through the competitive process; if so, the Minister should state the tenders that were so affected, disclosing the following: (i) the rationale for reversing the tenders after evaluation; (ii) how the direct allocation of a tender that had been taken through a competitive evaluation process complies with good governance of public funds; and (iii) the list of all the tenders in question and the list of companies that were finally allocated such tenders.
MINISTER OF FINANCE AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT (MS SERAME): Thank you Mr Speaker and good afternoon.

Good afternoon Honourable Members.

(i) Mr Speaker, there are no tenders that were awarded by the Public Procurement and Asset Disposal Board (PPADB) in the last five years, through competitive bids that were cancelled and later directly awarded.

Therefore Mr Speaker, Roman (ii) and (iii) of the question would fall off.
Suffice to just indicate Honourable Speaker, and for the benefit of the House and the Honourable Member that in the last five years, PPADB has awarded 33 tenders through competitive bidding and these were for various works, supplies and services.

I thank you Mr Speaker.

MR SALESHANDO: Yes Mr Speaker.

Any of the tenders tse di amanang le di Antiretrovirals (ARVs), a go na le tse di awarded without a competitive bid, given gore re na le numerous suppliers in the country?

MS SERAME: Thank you Mr Speaker.


Mr Speaker, ka gore ga ke a botsa ka epe ya di ARV, ga ke itse gore a e ka tswa e le teng.

E bile ke ne ke tsaya gore o tlaa mpotsa ka e e kileng ya tsosa modumo mo dipampirng mme yone e ne e se ya di ARV.

Ya di ARV, I am not aware Honourable Member and I am not saying go diragetse kana ga go a diragala, go tlaa re ke boele kwa Ministry of Health le PPADB, ba mpatlele that information.

Thank you.
Thank you.

STAFF REDUCTION BY BM GARMENTS MR P. P. P. MOATLHODI (TONOTA): asked the Minister of Investment, Trade and Industry if he is aware that BM Garments in the Tonota Constituency has drastically reduced staff from 300 to 30 due to claims that consumers no longer buy from them because of shortage of supplies; if so, will Government consider assisting the company with a view to employing more people as they did before.

Later Date.
MAINTAINING NATIONAL HERITAGE SITES DR T. MATSHEKA (LOBATSE): asked the Minister of Environment, Natural Resources Conservation and Tourism: 30 Hansard No 205Thursday 31st March, 2022QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER (i) to update this Honourable House on the ministry’s plans to maintain and upkeep infrastructure that has been declared National Heritage sites; and (ii) to state when the historical Anglican Church in Lobatse will be maintained as the thatch is falling apart and remains an eyesore for tourists.
MINISTER OF ENVIRONMENT, NATURAL RESOURCES CONSERVATION AND TOURISM (MS KERENG): Thank you Mr Speaker.

Sorry for maranyane, e gana to unmute me Mr Speaker.

Ke a leboga Honourable Dr Matsheka ka potso ya gagwe.

(i) Mr Speaker, lephata ga le na mananeo a a tlhomameng a go tlhabolola dikago mo heritage sites.
Fa re kileng ra dira teng ke fa e leng gore go ne go na le ditumalano, go bonwa gore heritage sites tseo di na le boleng di ka tlisa bojanala, di ka thusa benggae kana beng ba tsone gore ba ka tsenya letseno ka tsone.

Mo nakong nngwe go kile ga nna le project e go neng gotwe Project 100 Monuments, e e neng e tsamaya e tlhatlhoba mafelo mangwe a heritage sites, e bo di tlhabolola ka lenaneo la Ipelegeng.
Jaanong mo go tlhokeng lenaneo leo la gore tota Puso e na le thulaganyo fela ya go tsamaya e baakanya jalo, ga re na lenaneo Mr Speaker.

Fa re lebile gore a a nang le boleng a ka tlhabololwa fa re buisana le beng ba one ba re kopile jalo, ke supe gore go diragetse jalo jaaka re tshwaragane le Puso ya Mozambique mo thulaganyong e ya project ya go tlhabolola museum o o kwa Lobatse, o o tlaabong o bulwa semmuso mo kgweding e e tlang.

E le tshwaragano e re e dirileng le beng ba matlotlo ao kwa Lobatse.
Kana golo moo ke gone jaaka fa molao wa Museum and Relics Act o supa gore lephata le tlaabo le rurifatsa matlotlo ao, e bo le tsena mo ditumalanong le beng ba one gore fa go lebilwe gore go ka diragadiwa tsa itshetso kana tsa dikgwebo mo go one, go be go nna ka fa dithulaganyong.

(ii) Mr Speaker, Kereke ya Anglican e motlotlegi a botsang ka yone ga e ise e tlhomamisiwe as a national heritage.

Jaanong kopo ya gore e ya go baakanngwa leng jang, ga e ise e nne teng.
Ka re le mo dithulaganyong tsa tlhabololo ya matlotlo le bojanala, go atolosa bojanala jalo re dirisa heritage, re dirile gore mo ngwageng wa 2022/2023, re simolole lenaneo le e leng gore kwa go nang le mafelo a go tshwana le bo Lobatse jaana ka go setse go simolotse ka museum o wa Samora Machel, re atolose Mr Speaker.

Re lebile Lobatse e le lefelo le e leng gore mo heritage trailing e ya ka kwa borwa, re ka kgona go kopanya Gaborone, Lobatse, re bo re tsena Kanye, Trans Kalahari re ya go tsena ka kwa.
Re ya go dira lenaneo la go tlhatlhoba dikago tse.

Le tlile go re thusa go lebelela tse re ka reng di nonne go ka simolodisa bojanala.

Kereke ya Anglican ke dumela gore e tlaa tsena mo lenaneong le le ntseng jalo.

Se ke ka se gatelelang ke gone gore, jaaka fa molao o supa, go batlega gore re tshwaragane re bo re nna le tumalano.

Fa e le gore ke kereke nngwe e e tlhokometseng matlotlo ao, re bo re tshwaragana le yone.
Se sengwe se se ka re thusang Mr Speaker, ke gore, re tshwaragane le dikhansele gore re kgone go bona gore kana dilo tseo ke matlotlo a a mo dikgaolong tsa bone.

Fa go dirwa mananeo ka kwa khanseleng, re eletsa gore tsone tse di tshwanang le tse, di tsene jalo.
E bile gape kana re na le lenaneo la dithuso tsa madi la National Environmental Fund le ke batlang go rotloetsa Motlotlegi Mopalamente gore gongwe nako e gorogile jaaka re sa bolo go bua gore re kopanele dilo tse, re di buisane, ba museum ba tle ba kwadise semmuso matlotlo ao, gongwe go na le a mangwe gape.

E bo e le gore re tsena mo ditumalanong tsa gore kereke yone ya reng, re ka dira jang gore go tswe project gone ka foo re tle re ntshe dithuso tse di maleba.

Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.


DR MATSHEKA: Thank you Mr Speaker, ke lebogele karabo ya ga Minister.

Ke kope gore a ntlhomamisetse gore a a re kereke ya Anglican is not a national heritage site.

Fa ke le kwa kerekeng, ba ne ba mpolelela groe go tilwe ba se ka ba kgoma marulelo a, e kailwe jaaka a heritage site ka gore e tshwanetse e baakanngwe ke ba museum.

Ya bobedi ke gore, fa a ne a ka kgona go re bolelela gore mo programme ya bone ya 100 monuments, ba kgonne go dira a le kae.
Ya borabo e bo e nna gore, a mme ga a bone go tlhoka programme ntswa go na le dipuisanyo fa gare ga bone e le lephata le beng ba sites, e le gone go busetsang kwa morago lephata la bojanala mo lefatsheng la rona?

Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

MS KERENG: Ke a leboga motlotlegi.

Mma ke simolole ka ya bofelo gore a tota go tlhoka lenaneo mo ga go re busetse kwa morago.
Ke boammaaruri, mme kana 31 Hansard No 205Thursday 31st March, 2022QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER ke gone gore ga re ka ke ra re heritage e e setseng jaaka re dira heritage sites, re tsamaya re accredit and gazette mafelo jaana, re bo re re jaanong e nna boikarabelo jwa Puso.

Re tshwanetse gore maikarabelo ao re a kopanele le beng ba matlotlo, mme e le ka projects tse di maleba tse di ka dirwang.

Go ntse go na le mathata a gore ga go na madi Mr Speaker, a gore re ka tsamaya re baakanya.
E bile re rotloetsa gore beng ba mafelo a ba dire fa ba ka kgonang teng gore mafelo a se ka a swa.

Jaaka ke bua ka lenaneo le, re tlaabo re siane ka lone gore heritage tota re e tsose.

Ke gone mo re tlileng go bona gore mafelo a jaanong re a tshwaraganela ka tsela e e ntseng jang, jaaka ke setse ke supa gore le one madi a dithuso re ka kgona go a ntsha re kopanetse le bone.

Gore a kae a a gazetted, ga ke na palo ya one, ke ka e batla ka neela motlotlegi kwa moragonyana.
Kgang ya gore a kereke ke heritage site, mma ke baakanye, go raya gore ke ne ke sa bala sentle.

Go na le national monument e le heritage sites tse e leng gore they have national significance e le tsone tse di supang heritage ya Botswana.

Ke ne ke tshwanetse gore ke ka bo ke rile as a national monument, ga e ise e nne national monument.
National monuments when they are gazetted, automatically re na le boikarabelo jwa gore re di tlhokomele re le Puso, heritage tsone tota go batla gore re tshwaragane le batsayakarolo.

Ke dumela gore go tlaa nna le dithulaganyo tse di ntseng jalo, fa e le gore re ya go tlhatlhoba Anglican Church re bona gore ditso tsa yone di ntse jang, it can be gazetted as a national monument following processes tse di ntseng jalo.
E bile kana gape re bua ka gone go atolosetsa bojanala kwa re reng ke religious tourism e e leng gore ba United Congregational Church of Southern Africa (UCCSA) le bone re setse re tshwaragane le bone ka dikgang tsa bo Kolobeng le bo Old Palapye jalo.

Go ka nna molemo gore re tle re kgone go atolosa kwa Lobatse.

Mr Speaker, fa o ntetlelela, ke bone palo ke e gore heritage sites tse di setseng di kwadisitswe di 69 mo lefatsheng.

Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

MR MOTSAMAI: Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.


Re a go utlwa Tona, mme kgang e ke batlang go e go botsa ke gore, a o ne o itheeditse fa o re boikarabelo jwa go babalela tsone heritages ke jwa Puso le morafe?

Fa o ne o itheeditse, a o a itse gore one matlotlo a le a fitlhelang morafe, o a bo o tsere matsapa a mantsi, a mangwe a na le bo 50 bo 100 years?

Ba setse ba a somaretse, jaanong lebelo le le tsamayang ka lone, le bonya thata.

A o a itse ka selo se?

Ke a leboga.

MS KERENG: Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.


Ke batla go gatelela kgang ya gore fa gongwe kereke, morafe kana bape fela ba na le letlotlo la tlholego, boikarabelo jwa Puso ke go tlhomamisa gore re kaela ka molao re bo re thusana le beng ba letlotlo leo gore le tle le babalesege.

Ga re ka ke ra re Puso ke yone e e tlaabong e tsamaya e baakanya, bogolo jang e bile go sena se se dirwang.
Re tshwanetse go tlhomamisa gore go nna le tsamaiso e e lolameng ya gore le bone ga ba tle go latlhegelwa ke boleng le taolelo ya lefelo leo re re nnyaa tswayang jaanong go tsena Puso e a tlhokomela.

Re batla gore re ba neele dilo tse, re ba thusa gore ba kgone go di dirisa ba ntse ba di itlhokomelela.

Golo moo go botlhokwa gore le bone ba nne le karolo e ba e tsayang.
Re bonya, kgang ya bonya e fetile ka gore ke buile gore 2022/23 jaaka re simolola kamoso jaana, lenaneo le a simolola la go dira condition survey go tlhatlhoba mafelo a go bona gore a mo seemong se se ntseng jang.

E bile gape re tlaabo re ntsha pitso gore mafelo ao a a setseng a kwadisitswe, re utlwe gore beng ba one ba reng ka one, a go na le projects tse ba di akantseng re ntse re rekisa le megolopo jalo gore ba simolole go tsena re tle re thusane le bone, bonya ga bo sa tlhole bo le teng.
Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

MR SPEAKER: Honourable Members, we have … (interruption)… the 45 minutes, it is after 3:30 p.m. Honourable Members, I understand Honourable Motaosane has an urgent Motion to move in terms of Standing Order 50.

Honourable Motaosane.

…Silence… HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… MR SPEAKER: Honourable Member is not available on the phone.
HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… MR SALESHANDO: Mr Speaker, gone fa Mopalamente a tlisitse Motion a re o urgent, a bo a sa nne teng, go bo gotwe a ye go batliwa pele, kana go raya gore he does not see this as urgent.

MR SPEAKER: We have done all that, we… HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)….

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Re na le problem ya connection Mr Speaker.

MR SPEAKER: Mogala wa gagwe le one o na le problem ya connection?
32 Hansard No 205Thursday 31st March, 2022QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER HONOURABLE MEMBER: Yes sir.

MR SPEAKER: Mogala wa mogala?

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Gongwe ga a tsoga.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ga go na, ga a batle Motion wa teng, o o pateleditswe ke VP.

HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs).... BILL CORRUPTION AND ECONOMIC CRIMES (AMENDMENT) BILL, 2021 (NO.

27 OF 2021) Second Reading MR SPEAKER: Honourable Keorapetse!

HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… MR SPEAKER: Honourable Keorapetse!
If he is not there, that means we have concluded the matters on today’s Order Paper.

Bill-Deferred.

MINISTER OF INVESTMENT, TRADE AND (MR KGAFELA): Procedure Mr INDUSTRY Speaker.

I am just wondering Mr Speaker, whether with the time available, I cannot be indulged to complete my policy.

I see Mr Speaker, if we adjourn, there is going to be a waste of public resources.

We better commit them to the completion of this policy.

I was just about to complete it.


I stand to be guided, as I have always been Mr Speaker.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Order Paper ga e na reverse Kgabo.

HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… MR SPEAKER: Honourable Kgafela, one cannot … (Inaudible)… what you are saying is that if we adjourn now, we are actually not using the time available to Parliament for Parliamentary matters.

As I have seen the Order Paper, where will your policy be?
HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… MR KGAFELA: It is number two Mr Speaker, and we have not really completed the business as it appears on the Order Paper because that item stands incomplete and to that extent, I think it might be inappropriate for us to then adjourn.

We adjourn either when the time has been exhausted or when we have completed the business.

It cannot be said that we have completed the business when something on the Order Paper is pending.

I respectfully so submit Mr Speaker.


MR SPEAKER: Indeed, it had to pend because this is a Private Member’s day.

That is why your Motion was adjourned to give way to Private Members.

Both Private Members, Honourable Motaosane and Honourable Keorapetse do not seem to be available.

So, as I say, in terms of being productive, I totally agree with you that we should dispose of matters that we can instead ya gore re phatlalale fela tiro e bo e pile re sa dira sepe.
Honourable Members, I am now going to make a ruling, because the Private Members have not been able to do anything with the time available to them, that is Honourable Motaosane and Honourable Keorapetse, the business which is before this Parliament starting this morning, I think should be concluded, if we can.

We can go back to Adopting Botswana Intellectual Property Policy, as I understand it.

Who was on the floor?

MR KGAFELA: I was still on the floor Mr Speaker.

I was about to conclude.


Ke kopa go tsaya serala.

ADOPTION OF THE BOTSWANA INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY POLICY (BIPP), 2022 Motion (Resumed Debate) MINISTER OF INVESTMENT, TRADE AND INDUSTRY (MR KGAFELA): Ke leboga batlotlegi gore ba bo ba sa gana kopo ya gore re tswelele pele.

Fa re dira moemela, ke ne ke santse ke bua ka the financing for Intellectual Property (IP) Generation and Commercialisation.
Ntlhana e e tlaa re tlhoka re le Batswana gore re bo re ema ka dinao go tsoma resources tsa madi gore re tle re eme nokeng thulaganyo ya IP le go kgontsha ba ba tlaa thubang lebelo la gore ba e dirise, ba kgone go dira jalo.

Re tlaa tshwanelwa ke go tshwaragana le private sector le our development partners go dira jalo.

Ke tlaa bua ka maiteko a go itsise Batswana, re ba rute, re ba bule matlho ka IP.
Se se tlile go tlhoka gore re ba rute gore selo se ke dithoto, re tsenye dikole tse di formal, instances of training le programmes, re di tlhotlhe, re bo re di tsenya mo tirisong tse di tlaa thusang batho gore ba nne le itemogelo ya gore IP go tewa eng.
Bogwebi 33 Hansard No 205Thursday 31st March, 2022ADOPTION OF THE BOTSWANA INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY POLICY (BIPP), 2021Motion (Resumed Debate) ka IP le jone bo tlile go tlhokafala gore re bo rotloetse, re rute ka jone gore bagwebi ba tlaa kgona go fitlhelela tiriso ya IP, ba dirisa Industrial Property, Copyrights and Neighbouring Rights gore ba dirise dikgwebo tsa bone ka dilo tse, gore ba godise itsholelo ya lefatshe la Botswana.
Maikaelelo ke gore mohama wa temothuo, e bo e le gore go rotloediwa gore dikgwebo di tlhotlhiwe kgotsa di felele di tsetswe ka fa tlase ga mohama o, tse le tsone di ikaegileng ka dithoto tse ke kayang gore they are intangible property.

Ke dikitso, matlhale, dikakang, megopolo, tse o ka se keng wa di tshwara ka lebogo, mme e le dithoto.

The creative industries go tlile go tlhokafala gore ba thusiwe gore ba nonofe, segolo jang basha.
Le gore our cultural heritage ya lefatshe la Botswana ya Batswana, e bo le yone e drisiwa gammogo le the creative industry, re akaretsa le dikitso tsa tlholego kgotsa traditional knowledge and expression of folklore e le dintlha dingwe tse di ka dirisiwang go fitlhelela bogwebi kgotsa go ka gweba ka tsone.
Lephata la Botsogo le Boitekanelo go tlile go tlhokafala to create an environment for the private sector e e tlaa kgonang gore tota e thuse Batswana gore in this sector go dirisiwe especially in the pharmaceutical industry and the traditional medicine, e bo intellectual property e dirisiwa go tshegetsa this pursuit.
Mmuso o tlaa tlhomamisa gore the private sector e a kgothadiwa ka tsotlhe tse di mo diatleng tsa rona, gore ba kgone gore ba tlhotlhe kgolo ya the tourism sector, ba ntse ba dirisa dikitso, dikakanyo tse di tseneletseng le intellectual property.

Se re solofela gore e tlaa re fa se tsenngwa mo tirisong, se godise bojanala jwa rona ka tsela e e tlaa nnang kgolo e e menaganeng gantsintsi.

the Botswana Intellectual Property Policy ya 2021.


Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, ke gone jaaka ke sugile kuane fa ke riana, ke leboga batlotlegi.

Ke eme.

MR SPEAKER: Honourable Members, the floor is open.

Honourable Balopi.

MR BALOPI (GABORONE NORTH): Ke a leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo Palamente, ke a dumedisa basekulu, ke dumedise Batlotlegi Mapalamente.

Ke lebogele Tona Kgafela, gore a bo a tsile ka Tshutiso ya gore a dire Molao-kakanyetso wa Botswana Intellectual Property of 2021.
Ke dumela gore ke nako e e maleba thata Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, gore re bo re bua jaana.
Le tlaa gakologelwa gore re le phathi e e busang ya ga Domkrag, re ne ra baya kwa pele, ntswa re ne re dumalana le Tshutiso e e neng e dirilwe ke Batswana ya gore ba batla gore e re ka ngwaga wa kete pedi masome a mararo le borataro e le tebelopele ya setšhaba, segolobogolo re le Botswana, re bo re le setšhaba se se ikaegileng ka dikitso le go gweba ka dikitso, gona le go gweba ka tse re ntseng re gweba ka tsone di tshwana le ditswammung le tse dingwe.
Ke tsaya gore se o tlang ka sone Tona, se ya go dira gore go nne bonolo gore Batswana ba kgone go tlhaloganya gore dikitso tsa bone tse di farologanyeng tse re di itseng jaaka poko, pina le tsotlhe tse e leng tsone tse re ntseng re galalediwa re le lefatshe la Botswana ka ledula le la rona... Re tshwanetse gore jaanong re simolole go di baakanya, batho ba itse gore ke eng re le lefatshe le le nang le neelano e kanakana, ka tsamaiso ya puso ya batho ka batho le gore re agile setšhaba se se utlwanang se sena dikgoka.
E ka nna dingwe tsa dilo tse re ka di dirisang, go ka rutuntsha batho.

The policy institutional structure e tlaa re tlhoka gore re ikgobokanye ba rotlhe, e le tiro e re e tshwaraganelang.

Ke rurifatse gore kompone ya Puso ya Companies and Intellectual Property Authority (CIPA), ka se sebaka ke yone e e tshwaraganeng le tiro ya to regulate bogwebi kgotsa activities tse di ikaegileng ka intellectual property.
E tlaa nna bone the secretariat kgotsa ofisi e through it, the policy implementation structure se tlaa diragadiwang.

Ka sebaka se ke re, ke tsepame ka Tshutiso ya me fa ke tla bokhutlong.
Batlotlegi ba nkatle ka kopo e, gore Batswana le mmuso wa Botswana re atlarele Dilo di tshwana le Kgotla system kante go dirisa Dikgotla tsa rona, e le go aga setšhaba go ya go bitsa meakanya e re ka e dirisang gore re kgone gore re age setšhaba ka yone, mongwe le mongwe a kgona gore a ntshe la gagwe, e re kwa bofelong go bo go amogelwa kakgelo ya gagwe.

Yo le ene a ka tswang a sa dumalane foo, a bo a ka ntsha la gagwe.
Ke dikakanyo tse di dirisiwang, re setse re utlwalela gore bangwe ba tsere Kgotla system ya rona e e leng yone e agileng tsamaiso ya rona ya puso ya batho ka batho le neelano.

Ke dilo tse re tshwanetseng go itse gore, re le Batswana re ka di dirisa go gweba ka tsone.
34 Hansard No 205Thursday 31st March, 2022ADOPTION OF THE BOTSWANA INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY POLICY (BIPP), 2021Motion (Resumed Debate) O tlaa gakologelwa Mapalamente, Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, gore mo nakong e e fetileng re ne re bitsa batho go tswa mafatsheng a sele ba tshwana le Malaysia, kaekae, ba dira bo Performance Management System, Balance Score Card le dilo tse di ntseng jalo, ba dirisa dikitso tsa bone tse ba di somaretseng gore e nne tse ba tlaa gwebang ka tsone e le kakanyo ya bone.
O ka se ke o ba bone ba tla ba rwele dithoto tse di rileng ba re ba tlile go di rekisa, ba tla ba rwele maboko a bone, gore ba tle go a dirisa gore ba rotloetse go dira ka bonatla le tlhwaafalo go ungwelwa.

Ke tsaya gore Tshutiso e ke e e maleba thata.


Ke lone lerala le re tlileng go le sala morago, la gore re bo re felela re tsena mo itsholelong e e tsamaisiwang ke dikitso, gona le itsholelo e e tsamaisiwang ke dilo tse di tshwarwang jaaka Tona a ne a sa tswa go bua gore, e ga o ka ke wa e tshwara jaaka o ka tshwara teemane o e rekisa o riana.

E e tlaabo e le kitso ya gago e o ka kgonang go ananya ka yone.
Tona, ke batla go bua gore kana dilo tse go tshwanetse gore jaanong go tsene thuto le kgakololo e tseneletseng mo Batswaneng ka kakaretso.

Ke tlhotse ke bona mo maranyaneng le mo bobegadikgang, ke ne ke reeditse le maloba gotwe jaanong mo diromamoweng tsa rona tsa setšhaba, dipina tsa ba bodiragatsi e tlaabo ele masome a robang bobedi mo lekgolong (80 per cent) e le tse di tshamekwang.

Go raya gore ke nonotsho ya gore ba simolole go utlwala, ba tle ba kgone go nna le dikatso.
Jaanong tsamaiso e o tlang ka yone e, e tlaa dira gore ba babalele dikitso tse, ba tle ba kgone gore ba dire ka tsone.

Dilo tsotlhe tse re di bonang di le fa, jaaka Nandos, Chicken Licken le Hungry Lion, mongwe o ne akantse a kabakanya dilo, a di dira a bo a di nonotsha gore di tshwelele di ntse jalo mo nakong e e fetileng, a bo a di rekisetsa ba bangwe gore ba ye go dirisa go ka loka metswako eo.
E le dikakanyetso tsa bone, gore go nne le selo se se tlaa tlholang e le gore o Rre Kgafela jaana, o le kwa mafatsheng a mangwe e re o batla Nandos, e tshwane fela le e e kwano.

Ba rekisitse kakanyo e, e le yone e ba gwebang ka yone and they franchise jalojalo.

Ke dilo tse tlile go tlhokana le gore re se ka ra nna re ipoka fela, kwa ga Mmangwato jaaka gotwe ba itse go dira mokoto jaana.
Re simolole go itse gore ba o dira jang, ba akanye sentle gore motho o a bo a tshetse metsi a a kanaka eng, letswai le le kanaka eng, kakanyo ya teng o ka e somarela jang gore ope a se ka a tsaya seo a ya go se dira go le lolea.

A itse gore o tshwanetse gore e re a se dira, e bo e le letseno le le ka tsenang mo go ene.
Ka jalo ke dumela gore, re ka bua ka dikai tse dintsintsi, mme se se tonatona ke thutuntsho gore Batswana ba simolole go itse gore golo go raya eng, mo dilong tsotlhe tse ba ntseng ba di dira.

Ditlatlana tsa rona, kitso ya teng le mebala ya teng ka fa e logwang ka teng, ka fa e tsamaelanang ka teng le melodi ya teng, ka e omelediwang ka teng, le ka fa e kgethiwang ka teng le ka fa a babalelwang ka teng.
Ba simolole go itse gore ke dilo tse ba ka di baakanyang, ba di kwala ba di itse, gore e re kwa bofelelong ba kgone gore ba rekise kitso, batho ba ye go e dira.

Ba ka e dira go sele, mme bone ba na le letseno.

Le tlhola le bona go buiwa gore batho ba ba dirang these reflectors, dilo tse o di ba di bitsang cat eyes mo tseleng, batho ba ba dirileng dilo tse, nako e e fetileng ba ne ba kgona gore ba dire gore e nne kitso le tlhaloganyo ya bone, ba bo ba e rekisa.
Bana ba bana mo bogompienong jaana ba akola mo goreng, mongwe le mongwe yo o dirisang kitso e, a bo a kgona ba duela lemmenyana gore ba tswelele ba dira jalo.

O ka bona gore kgwebo ya dikitso le go di babalela, e bogadi bo gaufi fa o e babaletse.

Boswa jwa teng bo kgona gore bo tswelele le dikokomane tse di latelang go ya kwa pele.

Ka jalo, ke tsaya gore ke kgatelopele e tona mo lefatsheng ya gore re tantabele gore e re kamoso, re bo re kabakantse itsholelo go utlwala.
Mongwe le mongwe a ipona e le moanelwamogolo mo go boneng gore tsotlhe tse a di itseng, tse a di ithutileng le tse a di ithutuntshitseng di ka mo solegela molemo go ya kwa pele.

E bile segolobogolo mo dikgwebong tse di small to medium enterprises tse di tsamaisang kgolo ya itsholelo e e tlaabo e akaretsa botlhe.

Again, this policy speaks to the very fundamental issue that we mentioned re le Botswana Democratic Party (BDP) gore we are advancing together towards a more inclusive economy.
Ke gone jaaka o akaretsa gore mongwe le mongwe yo o nang le se a nang le sone le dikitso tsa bone, a gatele pele, a rotloetse itsholelo go gola, a tsenelwa ke letseno go ya kwa pele.

Ka jalo, ga ke batle go tsaya nako e ntsintsi Tona.

Ke eme nokeng Tshutiso ya gago e thata.

Ke tsaya gore se se tona e nne thuto gore Batswana ba simolole go itse.
Le rona re le mo Palamenteng, o re tlhatlhelele le go feta gore mongwe le mongwe e re a le kwa dikgaolong tsa gagwe, a rotloetse batho, a ba rutuntshe jaaka re bua ka value addition jaana.

Motho o tlaabo a dirisa tse di teng go fetola dikitso tsa gagwe, a bo a di babalela gore a gwebe ka tsone go ya kwa pele.

Ke a leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente.


35 Hansard No 205Thursday 31st March, 2022ADOPTION OF THE BOTSWANA INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY POLICY (BIPP), 2021Motion (Resumed Debate) MR MAJAGA (NATA-GWETA): Ke a leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente.

Ke dumedise Batswana, ke bo ke dumedisa Tona.

Molao-kakanyetso o, Batswana malatsing a, ba na le interest mo go one.

Ba batla go utlwa dikgang tse.

O tlile ka nako go tlisa Tshutiso e mo Ntlong e ya Palamente Tona.
Maloba le ne le ile go rekisa lefatshe la rona le Matona ka wena.

Tshutiso e le fa o ka tswa o e goga kwa pele Tona yo o lebanyeng le tsa dikgwebo le tse dingwe, e a go batla a joint venture le bakaulengwe ba gago.

Molaetsa o tle o tsamaye ka bonako jaaka Honourable Member yo o neng a le mo seraleng a bua.

E a go batla ba Youth, Agriculture, Tertiary bo Rre Letsholathebe le ba bangwe fela jalo.

E nne baanelwabagolo gore information dissemination as per this Intellectual Property e itsege.
Banana ba ba santseng ba le majato ba e sole molemo, e tle e re mo dikokomaneng tse di tlaa tlang ka the year 3001 kana 301 whatever, go ya kwa pele, ba bo ba na le dikhumo.

Re bona mafatshe a simolotse ka 16th century, 17th century, 18th century, go riana ke gone ba jang meamuso ya dilo tse di dirilweng ke batsadi ba bone.

Go tlaa tswelela fela jalo jaaka re itse gore there are some brands internationally, ga se tse di ka tlholang di ema.

Di ya go tshela le tsamaiso ya lefatshe.


Tona, Molao-kakanyetso o, o tla sentle ka gore fa o ka lebelela itsholelo malatsinyana a, le the way of doing business, metlhale mentsi, e batla botlhale jo bontsi.

You must preserve what you have.

Fa o utlwa ke ne ke re molao o, o ka bo o tsile maabane ka nako, gore re se ka ra re re saletse morago, re lebele kwa pele.

Fa o ka lebelela ditsarona mo lefatsheng la Botswana, they are of high value.

Di ka dira gore Batswana ba nne le tshono.


Modimo o ne a ba segofaditse jaaka re a tle re bue ka diteemane le tse dingwe.

Gompieno fa o lebelela our culture ka boyone, is diverse jaaka mongwe a ne a supa sekai sa our culture ya Dikgotla system e e tswelwang pelo ke mafatshe for stability and peace.

Fa o ka lebelela mebino le dipoko especially kwa Ministry of Youth wa ga Motlotlegi Rakgare, there is a lot there which we can tap and put it in the intellectual.
Di ka solegela Batswana molemo ka bofefo jo bo ka kgonagalang because re rekisa kitso, knowledge-based economy.

Ke tshono e e leng gore the youth who are vibrant, intelligent, they can access that market o o nang le boswa jo bo sa feleng jaaka thuto.

Re ne re bua gore batho ba setse ba a ja lefatshe le boswa jo, and re ka bo re somaretse a lot of things.

Fa re bua ka Sengaparile le tse dingwe, re bona di setse di rekisiwa kwa mafatsheng.
Fa re bua ka our policies being benchmarked, di ne di dirwa mo lefatsheng le ke mafatshe a mangwe a re bapileng le one, ba tla go tsaya dikitso tseo ba bo ba ya to implement them, gompieno they are very far.

Ke dingwe tse re tshwanetseng re di dire.

Gompieno fa o tsaya seswaa sa rona fela, beef, ba bangwe ba tlaabo ba re it is food from Africa ba sa pinpoint fela because ga go na sepe se se dirilweng jaaka Nandos gore this type of meat (seswaa) is from Botswana.
Dijo di ka rekisega motlhofo go feta dipina.

Go riana malatsinyana a ga go na motho yo o sa opeleng seVenda sa ga Makhadzi ka gore mongwe le mongwe o rata mmino wa gagwe.

Jaanong seswaa sa rona se a ratiwa.

Fa e le gore re ka nna le dithulaganyo tse di ntseng jaana, se ya go nna unique.

Mafatshe a mangwe jaaka America, o fitlhela a tlhabologile a kopa.

O fitlhela ba na le Mowana o o kwa Kasane, o dirilwe gone kwa.

We must guard against such.


Re ka dira jalo ka the Intellectual Property Bill e o tlileng ka yone gore e re sireletse.

Fa re sireletsa ditirelo tsa lefatshe, e bo e direla Batswana ditiro, e neela bangwe dikhumo tsa sennelaruri.

Ke ne ke supa gore benchmarking a lot of policies; a lot of countries which are developing jaaka rona, ba dirile ditiro mo go rona.
O ka nna mosupi, dingwaga tse di fetileng re ne re tlhola re bona delegation, ba bangwe ba tla kwa the beef industry, diamond industry, ba itse gore we were one of the most developed in terms of agriculture and diamonds.

Bangwe e rile ba tswa gone fa, ba bo ba ya go re feta.

Ke dingwe tse re tshwanetseng go nna proud of ourselves gore it is time gore we use these jaaka re dirile dipoelo tse di kanakana go ruta bana ba rona.
Fa ke tsena mo kgaolong e e tshwanang le ya me, ke utlwile go nkgwetlha Honourable Minister gore ke rute batho kwa dikgaolong tsa rona tse gotweng ke tsa tengnyanateng.

Re na le bojang; grass harvesting.

Botswana jotlhe bo tla kwa kgaolong ya me ka nako ya July jaana e le part of tourism and business.

Bojang jo bo ka direlwa industries tse di tona jaaka maChina ba dira dilo tsa bone.

Bojang can be exported to China ka gore batho ga ba sa tlhole ba batla disenke.
Fa dipula di na, ga go na coolness mo go tsone.

Bo ka nna le an Intellectual Property ka fa e ka dirwang ka teng.

E bo bo anama lefatshe lotlhe e le gore is a brand ya Botswana through the Intellectual Property Bill ka fa e tsamayang ka teng.

Ke na le moretlwa o montsi thata kwa Mosene, Nata, Zoroga le Gweta.

Ke dingwe tse e leng gore you can still export that.
Ke sweets tse Makgoa ba dirang 36 Hansard No 205Thursday 31st March, 2022ADOPTION OF THE BOTSWANA INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY POLICY (BIPP), 2021Motion (Resumed Debate) custard ka tsone.

Ke dingwe tse e leng gore motho a le kwa Tsokatshaa kana Mmanxotai, o na le tshono mo this Intellectual Property.

Re rutile bana malatsinyana a.

Go tlaa re re ba rute, ba itse gore they can benefit and preserve these for the betterment of the country, employment creation le go phadisanya mo mafatsheng go itsiwe.
Jaanong ke dilo tse dintsi.

Phane gompieno jaana Honourable Minister, e bolawa ke tlala fa ke bua jaana, ga se phane kwa bo Mosetse le Lepashe, batho botlhe ba koo.

Ke dingwe dilo tse e leng gore we can look at them e le dilo tse dinnyennyane.

Fa re ka di dira, ra di tsenya internationally, di nna ditona.

Re tle re bone ba Tourism kwa dikgaolong tsa bo Maun, Kasane le bo Nata tota, mongwe fa a ka tsenya fela a post selo se senyennyane, o bona clients from bo Israele le bo eng.
Ke gore fela e a bo e le gore the world, ga e itse sepe, ga gona sepe se se dirilweng, mme fa se dirilwe fela in two, three or five years to come fa re fetisa molao o, re tlaa bona maduo a a seng kana sepe and ke yone potential ya our youth gore ba leke go rutiwa thata mo bokopanong jo bo rileng.

You can make conferences Tona le ministry mme e le joint venture ya ministries ka gore e le fa e le wena o di gogang kwa pele, o tlile ka Bill, e ya go tlhokana le ministries ka bontsi.
Dinako tse dingwe re pateletse, re na le some best brains, banana ba ba rutegileng thata ba ba ka tsenang gone fa.

They can make this ba na le ba bangwe.

Re pateletse, re dire jaaka fela re batla go isa batho kwa mafatsheng a bo America gore re batla batho ba ba yang go dira bo Masters and Doctorate.

Re batla batho ba ba ka tsenelelang this intellectual property things, ba tla ba own these things.
The best brains tsa banana ba Batswana, they will come re bo re ka ba isa ba ya go bona meseme, bojang, dinku tsa bo Brooks le dipodi kwa bo Kgalagadi, tse mongwe o ka ipelang ka tsone.

Ke dilo tse dintsi fela thata Mr Speaker.

E sale maabane le letsatsi leno o tla ka dikgang fela tse di tsweletseng, tse e leng gore ga re ka ke ra re nako e re siile, o tshwanetse gore re push.

It will be history e bangwe ba tlaa nnang ba ntse ba go akanya ka yone Kgabo.

Ke a leboga.
Ke a leboga.

MR SPEAKER: Thank you Honourable Majaga.

Honourable Motsamai followed by Honourable Makwinja.

MR MOTSAMAI (GHANZI SOUTH): Ke a go leboga Mr Speaker.

Ke re le nna ke eme kgang e nokeng ka gore ke ntse ke bua ka yone fela o kare ke goa naga.

Ke itumelele Tona gore a bo a tsile ka maakanya a a ntseng jaana, molao o o ntseng jaana.
Kana fa o bua fela, go sena dikgato dipe tse di tsewang, go tshwana le o fitlhela ntlo e e šha, o bo o goa molelo, o sa tshele metsi kana o sa tshele mmu mo go one.

Mr Speaker, nako e tlile, ke buile thata ka dikgang tsa badiragatsi gore go tlhokafala gore re gatelele copyright.
Ke buile thata gore badiragatsi jaaka morutabana fa a ya sekoleng go ruta, Mopalamente a ya Palamenteng go buelela batho kana nurse a ya kwa clinic kana sepatela go kenta batho, re tshwanetse ra itse gore tiro e ba e dirang e manontlhotlho thata, e e tshwanetseng ya babalelwa, ya femelwa mme e bile le bone ba babalelwe, ba femelwe.

Nako e tsile Mr Speaker gore re sireletse le dipina tsa bone.
Re ba jese ka dipina le maboko a bone le tse ba di dirang gore le bone kana ke gone ka fa Modimo o ba fileng ka teng.

Ke yone tiro ya bone e ba e itseng.

Ke sone se ba tshwanetseng go se duelelelwa Mr Speaker.
Gone mo fela Tona, go ka fokotsa palo e e kanakana ya batho… fa o fitlhela le na le diopedi, batho ba ba itseng melelo ya Setswana le ba ba itseng go alafa diphogwana, dikhujwana, jalojalo, ba le mo moleng kwa Namola Leuba, ba kopa mmereko, ba le mo moleng kwa Social and Community Development (S&CD) ba kopa kwadisiwa mo botlhoking, ba na le kitso e nngwe e e gakgamatsang, ka gore Goromente ga a tsibogela kitso e, e bo go raya gore ba tlatsa ba bangwe, ba dira mosuke, mme fa go tsibogetswe dikitso tsa bone Mr Speaker, di ka fokotsa mosuke o o kalokalo, ba ka itshetsa, ba bo ba felela ba re jesa rona ba re sa itseng go bina, re sa itseng go opela, re sa itseng ditlhare tsa Setswana jaaka bo sengaparile, jalojalo.
Mr Speaker, ke tswelele, ke supe gore Goromente ga a tshwanela go bua fela gore e bile dipina di tlaabo di tshamekiwa lebaka le le leele kana go tlaa bokwa lebaka le le leele.

Se re tshwanetseng ra se bona ke gore fa pina e tshamekwa two hours kana 30 minutes, mong wa pina ene o ja eng mo airtime eo ya pina?

Motho o ka e baya jalo, o ja eng?

O boelwa ke eng?
O boelwa ke eng?

Fa go opelwa 30 minutes, a Rre Saleshando yo o tlhamileng pina eo, a le ene o ja sengwe mo teng ga pina eo se se seleka le maduo a pina e a e opetseng Mr Speaker?

Ke sone se Motsamai a batlang gore batho ba ba babalelwe.
37 Hansard No 205Thursday 31st March, 2022ADOPTION OF THE BOTSWANA INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY POLICY (BIPP), 2021Motion (Resumed Debate) E bile Mr Speaker, golo mo go ka dira le gore go epolole le batho ba ba ntseng ba na le kitso le tsamaiso ba le ka kwa mahure, ba iphitlha, ba sa batle go itsiwe kana ba sa bone gore golo mo go ka ba isa golo gongwe.

Jaaka gongwe go na le bangwe ba ne ba ntse ba kgalwa gotwe ba dirisa maselamose, a kgona go baya lejwe mo seatleng, gongwe a bo a ya go le ntsha mo tsebeng.
Dilo tse Mr Speaker, ba bangwe ba ne ba iphitlha, ba sa batle batho ba itse.

Di ka epololwa, ba itse gore ba ka tshela ka tsone.

Re tswa kgakala re bua rona re le ba kganetso, ga se gone re lemogang dilo tse gompieno.

Re kwadile dibuka, re buile le lona, mme ke a itumela fa e le gore letsatsi leno re sena go bua for bo 50 years, le rothegelwa ke naledi ya go utlwa go sekaenyana.

Le se ka la bo le tsile ka molao o go ikgolola.


Le tle ka molao o go o diragatsa le go bona gore le tsaya dikgatlhego tsa Batswana ka maatlametlo.

Mr Speaker, fa o tsena kwa dikgaolong tsa Kgalagadi, Ghanzi le bo Kweneng, morafe wa Bakgalagadi, Baherero le Basarwa, ke batho ba ba filweng.

Ba na le ditalente tse di farologanyeng tse o ka di akanyang tsa dilo tse dintsintsi thata.
Dilo tse jaaka ke ntse ke bua kgantele Mr Speaker, fa go ka engwa ka dinao policy e ya dirwa, ga bonwa gore e tlamela le matshelo a batho, batho ba ba ka tswa kwa morago, le bone ya nna batho.

Mr Speaker, kana kwa Kgalagadi, bangwe ba akanya gore dipina di ne di opelwa fela jaaka gongwe le utlwa gotwe setapa.

Ga le itse gore setapa kwa Kgalagadi tota e ne e le eng, go ne go raya eng, se opelwa fa go rileng.
Dikitso tse di botlhokwa thata go di tap kwa go beng ba tsone gore le utlwe gore tota ba ne ba se opelela eng.

Fa ke gakologelwa, se ne se opelelwa mediro; a ke wa lenyalo, go ntsha bo ngwale, kana go supa boitumelo jwa thobo Mr Speaker.

E bile setapa gape se ne se opelwa jalo e se go opela fela, e le go opela o romela molaetsa.
Ke sone se o ne o ka re o tshwana le tsala ya me Rraetsho Mabuse Pule, fa o itse go opela thata, o le senatla, o itse setapa sentle, o ne o kgona gore o ye go tswa ka mosadi gone kwa setapeng a go kgatlhegetse gore, banna!

monna yo wa Mokgatla o filwe banna, o itse go bina pina, mme e bile o itse go e opela.

jwa bone gore bana ba bone ba ja boswa jwa keledi.

Fa bana ba rona ba a ja boswa jwa matlo, dikgomo le sengwe le sengwe, bana ba bone ba tshela ka keledi, ba tshela ka botlhoko e se dinoga.
Bana ba bo Speech Madimabe ba ja eng gone gompieno le masika a bone, bo kgaitsadia bone, rakgadi, malome, ba ja eng, ga gona sepe se ba se jang.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Andries Bok.

MR MOTSAMAI: Ke ba kwadile rraetsho.

Bana ba bo Andries Bok, Batho Molema, ba ja eng Mr Speaker?

Ba tshela ka keledi jaaka khutsana e e leng gore gotlhelele ga gona yo o e kgatlhegelang.

Dilo tse di ka dira gore bana ba ba nne le maswa a a utlwalang.
Mr Speaker fa re tsena mo bokgabaneng jwa go ntsha tsa ngwao, o tsena kwa kgaolong e tshwana le kwa Charles Hill, o ya go fitlhela go na le gone mo le go bitsang knowledge based economy, batho ba na le dikitso tse di mafaratlhatlha kwa bo Charles Hill, Makunda jalojalo.

Dikitso tsa go ntsha mafura mo mašing, jaaka go ntsha mafura a kondibo.

Dikitso tsa go dira romo e e leng gore ke dijo tse di monate phetelela Mr Speaker.

Mme golo mo go khurumeditswe ka letlhaku.


Gompieno re ka bo re bua jaana bana ba Baherero ba ba sa berekeng ba thelegetse koo ba itirela mmereko fa ba rotloeditswe.

Ba na le dikitso tsa bo go dira oshitaka, oshikandela.

Dilo tse gompieno re ka bong re bua jaana ba ijesa, ba inosa, ka dikitso tsa mofuta o o ntseng jalo.

Fa re tsena mo Basarweng ke batho ba ba dirang dilo tse di farologanyeng, bora le motswi.
Phologolo ene e tsongwa ka motswi, mme e se go iphunya fela, e le gore motswi o o tshasitswe botlhole jwa noga.

Fa o fula phofu e bo e nna e kete e lomilwe ke noga.

Le gone go hemela diphologolo tse gongwe di dusang, go ne go sa fulwefulwe fela kana go tsongwa go bolawabolawa fela jaaka gongwe ditsala tsa me bo rraetsho Lefhoko Moagi, gongwe bone go ne go itelekelwa fela go bolawa gotwe e nonne, go sa lebelelwe gore ke boswa jwa kamoso Mr Speaker.

Ke a leboga.
Ke a leboga.

Go na le mo ka Sekgalagadi re reng go tabelela, e epela e e ta e tabelela, e e ta tsinya ripuo tse re rimpanyana.

Dilo tse Mr Speaker, fa le ka tlhotlhomisa, le ya go fitlhela e le gore le tsere nako e telele le beile ba bangwe ka fa mosing Mr Speaker.

Mr Speaker, ke tsamaela go ya kwa bokhutlong, ke na le nako e ntsi ke bua ka badiragatsi; dipina tsa bone, boswa ASSISTANT MINISTER OF BASIC EDUCATION (MS MAKWINJA): Thank you.

Good afternoon Mr Speaker, ke a dumedisa batlotlegi.
Ke re ke eme ke tshwaele, e bile ke leboge thata Tona go bo a tlisitse molao o wa botlhokwatlhokwa.

Ba setse ba buile gore ke nngwe ya maikano a matonatona a Puso e ya ga Domkrag gore re leke go fetola itsholelo e ya rona go e ntsha fa e teng go ya kwa go e e kwa godimodimo.
38 Hansard No 205Thursday 31st March, 2022ADOPTION OF THE BOTSWANA INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY POLICY (BIPP), 2021Motion (Resumed Debate) Mr Speaker, fa re bona mo dibukeng tsa metlobo, 1966- 1970 fatshe leno la rona le ne le le mo itsholelong e re ka reng ke ya temothuo.

Mme e rile fa go sena go bonwa diteemane mo bosimologong jwa dingwaga tsa bo 1970s, itsholelo e ya fetoga ya nna e e ipeileng mo go tsa ditswammung, mo meepong.
Fa o ya kwa dibukeng tsa metlobo o tlaa fitlhela geologists tse di tona bo Gibson, o tlaa fitlhela e le bone ba boneng meepo e, o tla fitlhela Motlotlegi Tautona wa pele Rre Sir Seretse Khama a nyenyanyenya le boora Oppenheimer le boora Nchindu fa jaanong itsholelo e ya rona e tsena mo go tsa ditswammung.
Ke re re le Palamente ya gompieno re dira ditso gape, ke ditso tse re reng re tlaabo re kwadilwe mo dibukeng le rona tse ditona, gore e rile nako ya rona ra kgona go fetola, ga nna le phetogo mo tsamaisong ya itsholelo e jaanong e tlaabong e ipeile mo dikitsokitsong, e tlaabo e ipeile mo go tsa maranyane.

Se ke se Makgoa ba ka se bitsang ba re, a great milestone in the history of this country.
Re tshwanetse gore re le batlotlegi ba ba mo Palamenteng e ka nako e, re bo re le motlotlo gore re tlaa nna mo dibukeng tse tsa metlobo, gore ke rona re fetotseng tsamaiso ya Puso e ya gompieno go fetola ka mo itsholelo e tsamayang ka teng Mr Speaker.
Mr Speaker, kgato e ke e re tlaabong re kopa re ikobile, e bile re rotloetsa thata ba ba re thusang go dirafatsa melao e, ba ba mo diofising, ka gore re fetisitse melao e mentsintsi e e leng gore tota fa e ne e ka diragala, toro e ya gore re fetole itsholelo e go ya kwa go e e itsheegileng ka dikitso, e ka diragala, mme e bile e ka fetola sefatlhego sa itsholelo e ya lefatshe la rona.
Mr Speaker, in the European Union fa ke go bolelela jaana, yone Intellectual Property (IP) e tsentse letsogo thata mo go direng ditiro.

Report ya 2010 e bolela gore ene ya hira 6.7 million people, e le IP value in business nako eo.
Go raya gore 6.7 million gompieno ke millions tsa batho ba e leng gore employment e tlile ka kgang e. Ke sone se re reng, rona mo Pusong ya ga Domkrag ditiro di tlile go diragala, mme di ka diragala fela fa e le gore melao e re e dirang e e ya diragatswa Mr Speaker gore re kgone go ya kwa pele.
Fa re bua gape ka IP contribution to trade,ke gore dikitsokitso tse fa re lebile gore mosola wa tsone ke eng mo go tsa papadisano, United Nations ya re global trade e ne ya gola go tswa mo go 3.4 per cent go ya kwa go 8.7 per cent.

E ntse e le mo go yone this World Intellectual Property Organisation (WIPO) Report ya 2010 le the European Report ya 2010.

Jaanong go bonala gore go botlhokwa thata, ke sone ke se kopang Tona gore a re diragatseng, ka gore ke molao o montlentle fela thata.
Fa re ne re ka o diragatsa, o ne o ka re thusa go tlhabolola itsholelo ya rona, go tlhama ditiro, Gross Domestic Product (GDP) le yone ya gola ka dipalo tse di rileng gore re ye pele.

Mr Speaker, fa ke tla mo go tsa gae ke re, re na le ditsatlholego tsa rona.

Batlotlegi ba ntse ba bua ka metshameko, mebino, ka eng.

Re na le merafe ya metlhobotlhobo mo dikgaolong tsa rona.

Ke na le Bakwena, Baherero, batho ba Sesarwa le Bakwena- Balete-Basikwa.
Fa re dira Cultural Day, re di phutha mongwe le mongwe a tla go supa, ke sengwe se se ka phuthang meraferafe go tla go bona gore kwa Mmopane- Lentsweletau e rile ka letsatsi le ra bona dingwao tse di farologanyeng, dijo tsa teng, mmino wa teng.

Ke selo se se ka rotloetsang mo re go bitsang local economy ya rona.

Mr Speaker, tota molao o wa ga Tona ke mongwe wa melao e e leng gore re kope, mme e bile gape re rotloetse badirelapuso ba ba re thusang gore, betsho a ko re funeleng ditlhako.
Dilo tse di diragale ka gore e ka nna molao o montle mme fa o sa diragatswe, go tshwana fela.

Re tlaabo re nna fela mo seemong se re ntseng re le mo go sone.

Ke sone se ke reng Mr Speaker, batlotlegi ba buile, ke re ke ngathengathe fela jalo.

Le rona batlotlegi a re yeng re thuse badirelapuso go rotloetsa baagi ba metse le metsana ya rona gore ba dire trusts le cooperatives.
Dilo tse dingwe tse ba di tseye ba di itirisetse, di ba tsenyetse letseno re tswe mo Ipelegeng, re tswe mo go tsotlhe tse tota re beileng fela mo go Goromente gore a re thuse.

Re a itse gore ba bangwe ba bagolwanyane jaaka rona, tota sengwe le sengwe se ne se tswa mo tshimong, e ne e ka nna five hectares, four hectares, dinawa tseo o ne o ya go rekisa o duelela bana school fees.

O ne o baya mabele, mmidi, ditloo, di tlile go go tsaya gore go ye go lengwa gape.
Ke dingwe dilo tse re tshwanetseng go leka re le baeteledipele gore Batswana kwa gae, tota ga go sa tlhole go na le mo gotweng ke batla tiro ka gore ditiro di tletse dipota, metsi a tletse dipota.

Re tshwanetse go boela kwa segaroneng se se ka re tshidisang.

Re ne re tshela fela mme e bile re santse re ka tshela, mme this Intellectual Property Law e ka diragatsa dilo tse.

Re tshele botshelo jo bo monate, jo bo tsholetsang itsholelo ya rona mme re ntse re le Batswana.
Mr Speaker, ke a leboga e bile ke ema Tona nokeng fela thata.

A re mo emeng nokeng batlotlegi.

Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

39 Hansard No 205Thursday 31st March, 2022ADOPTION OF THE BOTSWANA INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY POLICY (BIPP), 2021Motion (Resumed Debate) MR LEUWE (TAKATOKWANE): Thank you Mr Speaker, good afternoon.

Ke a dumedisa batlotlegi.

Ke ne ke re le nna ke supe gore ke ema Tona nokeng ka this Intellectual Property Policy.
Tumelo ya me ke gore e tlile ka nako e e siameng re rutile bana ba rona, ba rutegile, ga ba bone ditiro mme they are very creative.

Jaanong mo gongwe go nna le gore ba itsapisiwe ke gore o tlaabo a na le mogopolo o montle o o siameng mme a itse gore fa a tswa fa a ya go diragatsa, kamoso yo mongwe o o tsere ga wa sireletsega.
Gone moo fela ke dumela gore go tlile go ba rotloetsa go tswa ka dikakanyo tse di nonofileng, tse re itseng gore di teng mo go bone, bogolo jang ka gore ke banana ba santse ba le active.

O tlaa fitlhela motho a tsere kakanyo ya ngwana e e nonofileng, o bo o ya go utlwa tota gore mo ke fake ga se gone mole.

Jaanong ene tota mosimolodi wa kgang eo, go sena sepe se se mmoelang.
Ke a gakologelwa malobanyana fale fa re dira bo copyrights le bo eng, fa ke nnang le lesokolela teng ke gore mo gongwe re dira melao; fa re sena go e dira, implementation e nna borinyana.

Go bo go nna o kare jaanong ga go diragale se e neng e le maikaelelo tota.

Fa go santse go simolola o tlaa bona o kare go tsholediwa tlhogo.

E ne e le gore copyright o kgona go bona gore at least jaanong dipina tsa bana ba rona di sireletsegile.
Fa o tsamaya mo mekgwatlheng mo o fitlhela Compact Discs (CDs) tse di rekisiwa mme e bile se se utlwisang botlhoko e le gore ga di rekisiwe ke bana ba rona, di rekisiwa fela ke ba ba tswang koo.

Ke ne ka bona go tabogilwe mo di phuthiwa go lekwa gore di tsewe go lwantshiwa seemo seo.

I should think go tsere kgwedi kana dikgwedi tse pedi fela, go boile go boetse kwa morago gape.
Fa o tsamaya mo mekgwatlheng mo o fitlhela CDs tsa bana ba rona di rekisiwa mme e le fake tota, o bona gore golo mo ga se yone tota original ya ngwana wa rona.

Gongwe fa re ka rurifatsa molao o ra ema Tona nokeng bontsi jwa rona, ya re fa re fetsa go baya stamp wa ya go diragadiwa mo go nonofileng, go tlaa rotloetsa bana go itse gore dikitsokitso tseo tsa bone di ka tsoga di ba sologela molemo, lefatshe la rona le bomonaabone.
Gongwe fela fa motho a ka tsaya sekai jaaka gongwe Honourable Balopi a ne a bua, bo KFC, Nandos, bo eng, batho ba ba simolotseng metswako e ba benefit thata.

Ga o ka ke wa bona fela motho a ya go ema fale a re o rekisa Nandos o sa itse gore o tsere kae authority eo.

Gore a ye go e rekisa a dire sengwe, mong wa yone yo a e simolotseng o tlaabo a ya go ja sengwe.

Le rona tota fa e kare re baya molao o, wa ya go diragadiwa fela jaaka o ntse.
Le one maranyane a re a dirisang a, go na le motho fela yo o a simolotseng.

Fa o ka utlwa motho wa teng gompieno, ga a kgomege mo dikhumong ka gore kitso eo ya gagwe e a mo duela.

Gore o dire sengwe, ke gore o tshwanetse go diga sengwe, basha ba re go na le go diga sengwe, go duelwa ene yo o tlileng ka mogopolo o o botlhale yoo.

Fa o tsamaya le lefatshe le la rona lotlhe la Botswana, dikgaolo tse tsotlhe di humile dikitsokitso tse di farologanang.
Fa o tsamaela far south o ya go fitlhela ba bina Polka, ba e itse tota e bile ba itse le meaning wa teng, ba itse ditso tsa yone gore e simologile jang.

E tlaa re o ntse o tsamaya o ya go tsena kwa north, o bo o ya go fitlhela gotwe go binwa Polka koo, o bo o bona gore e ga se e e ka kwa south ka gore tota original e kwa.
Fa o ya kwa north, o ya go fitlhela batho ba apere bontle ba bina ba apere bosweu le bontsho, ba bina bontle thata jaana o kare ba ka kgatlha Rre Lucas ka fa ke ba bonang ba bina ka teng; le nna ba a nkgatlha mme ene ba mo kgatlha thata.

O ya go fitlhela yo mongwe a re o bina mmino oo kwa west, o bo o bona gore mme o tota ga se ole wa kwa north, o ke sort of fake.
Fa dilo tse di ne di sirelediwa e re fa motho a ya go tsaya a neelwa semmuso gore e tle a ye go dira exactly se se ntseng jalo, ke dumela gore go ne go ka re berekela.

Fa o tsamaela kwa bo North West, o ya go fitlhela ba na le matlhaka a ba a dirang go le gontle ka kitso e bile ba itse gore a dirwa jang, a direlwa eng jalo.

Fa o ya go tsenwa kwa side e nngwe ya Botswana, o bo o fitlhela motho a re o a dira mme e se gone.
Fa go ne go sireleditswe dikgang tse di ntseng jaana, go ne go ka re sologela molemo.

Fa o tsena mo kgaolong ya me ya Takatokwane, re na le settlement e bidiwa gotwe Kgaresebotswane.

E itsiwe fela thata ka go loga golo mo gotweng leselo, ka bontle jo bo feletseng.

Motho mongwe le mongwe mo kgaolong ya rona fa a batla leselo, o itse gore o tlhamalela fela kwa Kgaresebotswane, o tlaa ya go bona leselo le lentle.
Golo moo ke kitso ya motho mongwe e e sa sireletsegang, e e leng gore yo mongwe o a bo a ya koo tota a ya go reka, mme gape a ya go utswa le kitso eo ya motho wa kwa Kgaresebotswane, a bo a ya go e dirisa koo.

Go bo raya gore ene yo o neng a simolola dikgang tse, ga a benefit sepe.

Fa o tsamaela mo side e nngwe ya Kgaolo ya Takatokwane, o ya go fitlhela ba ba binang tsutsube.

Ba e bina tota o bo o bona gore ba itse se ba se dirang, e bile ba na le molaetsa o ba o romelang.
Ka ga go a sireletsega, mongwe le mongwe o ka ya go lebelela ya re a tswa fa, le ene a bo a ya go gokela matlhowa a re o bina tsutsube.

Tota ke dumela gore… 40 Hansard No 205Thursday 31st March, 2022ADOPTION OF THE BOTSWANA INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY POLICY (BIPP), 2021Motion (Resumed Debate) …Silence… MR SPEAKER: You are lost.

Honourable Leuwe!

MR LEUWE: Hello sir.

MR SPEAKER: Ee, o ne o timetse.

MR LEUWE: Ke ne ke timetse?

Ke a utlwala jaanong Mr Speaker?

MR SPEAKER: Yes sir.


MR LEUWE: Thank you Mr Speaker.

Ke ne ke re tsone dikitso tse dintsi tse, fa re ne re di sireletsa sentle ka fa go tshwanetseng ka teng, go ne go ya go nna le originals fela go sa nne le fakes tse batho ba felelang ba di dira, ba bo ba ya go tshela ka tsone, motlhami wa kgang a sa boelwe ke sepe.

Re ne re na le batho ba bidiwa bo Kgomoeadusa kwa kgaolong ya rona, e ne e le mmoki yo motona yo o neng a itsiwe le ke boTautona ba pele.
Gompieno jaana fa o kare o ya fa baneng ba gagwe ba itsapile, ga ba itse gore a ba tsweledise poko eo ka gore ba itse go boka.

Ba itse fela gore e tlaa re ba boka, yo mongwe a bo a tsaya leboko leo le bo le ya go mo tshedisa golo gongwe, ene yo a neng a le simolola a sa boelwe ke sepe.

Ke dumela gore le dikhwaere, ba fa o ya ka kwa Kgatleng, o ya go fitlhela e le gore they are best mo dikopelong, bone ba di bitsa dikopelo, rona ra re dikhwaere.
Ke lemogile gore fa o tswa mo Kgatleng o ya mo dikgaolong tse dingwe, o ya go bona ba go bolelela gore re ne re ile kwa Kgatleng ba ile go kopa.

Ba tsaya dikhwaere tseo mahala le metaela yone eo ya go bina.

Mo e leng gore gongwe fa re ne re ka dumalana sentle fela, ra bo ra bona gore molao o re a o diragatsa, o ka re busetsa wa ba wa re direla dilo tse di ntsi.

Ka fa gaetsho, gongwe ke ya bofelong le fa ke sa bone nako, ga ke bone nako Mr Speaker.
Ka fa kgaolong ya gaetsho ya Takatokwane… MR SPEAKER: Two minutes.

Re ne re na le setlhako se bidiwa gotwe ramphaatshane, se dirwa ka letlalo la phata ya kgomo ka gore le thata.

Go na le ba ba itseng go di dira di le dintle, e re le fa o di rwele, o bo o utlwa gore golo mo o tsenwa ke phefo, mme o apere ngwao.
Jaanong fa dilo tse re ne re ka di sireletsa, ke dumela gore di ka boela tsa bo tsa re hirela bana, tsa bo tsa tsenya le phaletšhe mo malwapeng a le mantsi ka gore dikitso tse di aname le lefatshe lotlhe.

Ga se mo go katweng gongwe kwa Takatokwane fela ke bone ba tlaa kgonang.

Fa ba Takatokwane ba kgona go dira suits tsone tse tsa Diphuduhudu tse dintle tse di kgabisitsweng, o ya go fitlhela ka kwa Kgatleng ba dira se sengwe gape se e leng gore le bone se a ba busetsa se ba beela phaletšhe mo tafoleng.
Ga e tle go nna phaletshe fela mo tafoleng ka gore go tlaabo go dira batho, go dira bana, ba hirana, go sa tlhole go nna le kgang ya unemployment e ntsintsi.

Le nna ke supe fela gore dikgang tse ke dumalana le tsone.

Ke dumalana gore di tsile ka nako e e siameng.

Gongwe fela se ke ka se kopang labofelo ke gore, a e re fa go ya go dirwa implementation, re se ka ra bona o kare go dirwa mo East fela, go dirwe countrywide.
Fela jaaka gongwe motho a ka baya sekai jaaka bodiragatsi jo bo ntseng bo diragala jwa Ministry wa ga Honourable Rakgare, fa o tsamaya countrywide, bo teng o a bo bona gore go a diragala.

Jaanong fa le one molao o e kare after implementation, wa akaretsa lefatshe lotlhe, ditshireletsego tse tsa ya go nna le kwa tennyanateng, go ka lebosega thata ka gore go ka re thusa re le bantsi thata mo lefatsheng la Botswana.

Ka mafokonyana one a Honourable Speaker, ke ema Tona Mmusi Kgafela nokeng.
Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

OF MINISTER ASSISTANT LOCAL GOVERNMENT AND RURAL DEVELOPMENT (MR PULE): Ke a leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente.

Ke dumedise this afternoon.

Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente le batlotlegi botlhe ba ba fano, ke re le nna ke latlhele la mmotlana.

Ke ne ke utlwa tsala yame maloba a re o latlhela legonyana.

Ke re ke mo raya ke re fa go buiwa, gatwe legonyana la modisa letlharapana, ga le ke le galalwa le ile Kgotleng.

MR LEUWE: Thank you Mr Speaker.


Ka fa kgaolong ya gaetsho ya Takatokwane, re ne re apara marokgwe a gotweng ke a diphuduhudu, bo le thata, bo le bontle.

Mo gongwe ba bangwe ba itse go bo sega, e bile a bo sega e le suit.

Dikitso tsone tseo di ntse di a nyelela ka gore ga di a sireletsega, ga go na ope yo o bonang di ka mmusetsa sepe.

Mafoko ame a tlile go tshwana le a Batlotlegi ba ba ntseng ba sa tswa go bua, e kete o kare jaanong re a etsakana.
Kana tota re tshwanetse re leboge Mmusi Kgafela ka mafoko a a tlileng ka one.

Mokgatla re solofela gore e tlaa re morago ga kgang e, o re thuse, kana le nna bogolo jang nna, o nthuse re boele ka Bakgatleng go rekisa mogopolo o ka gore ke mogopolo 41 Hansard No 205Thursday 31st March, 2022ADOPTION OF THE BOTSWANA INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY POLICY (BIPP), 2021Motion (Resumed Debate) o montle fela thata, bogolo jang mo bananeng ka gore go lebega mogopolo o e le mengwe ya e e akantsweng sentle.
Fa ke bala pampiri ya teng, ke e lebelela, e akantswe sentle.

E bile ga ke bone go na le gore re ka re go diegilwe kana go rileng.

Yes, go ka tswa go diegilwe, mme fela ke tsaya gore o tlile ka nako e e tlhamaletseng ya gore dilo tsotlhe tse re di dirang, kana maranyane ke gone a ntseng a tsena mo lefatsheng la Botswana, bontsi jwa tsone re tlaa di tsenya mo maranyaneng.
Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, fa o ka ntetlelela ke nopola sengwe from BDP manifesto se se buang ka kgang e re lebaganeng le yone e. Mo manifesto wa rona re ne ra bua re re, “We want to develop and digitize indigenous games for commercialization purposes.” Mo go rayang gore dilo tsa rona tse re nang le tsone, tse re di dirang, go a tlhokafala gore e se ka ya nna gore re di dirile fela, mme re di tsenye gape mo maranyaneng gore re kgone gore re di rekise kwa mafatsheng a sele.
Re mo tseleng go ya fela ka fa ke bonang mogopolo o ntse ka teng.

Tona, re go lebogela thata gore o bo o akantse kgang e e ntseng jaana mo nakong e re leng mo go yone.

Fa o ka lemoga kwa kgaolong ya Kgatleng jaaka tsala yame Leuwe, yo ke etseng tlhoko gore gantsi fa a debate, nna le ene re bua ka dilo tse di tshwanang, ke utlwile a bua ka dikhwaere.

Kgatleng o a itse Kgabo gore ke lefelo la dikhwaere, e bile Kgatleng e ikgantsha ka dikhwaere.
E seng fela dikhwaere, le batlhami ba dipina tsa dikhwaere ba teng kwa Kgatleng.

Ke gakologelwa rre mongwe, a mowa wa gagwe o robale ka kagiso kwa a leng teng.

O ne a bidiwa Motoe kwa kgaolong ya Mmathubudukane, a kgona go ntsha pina ka wena a go fitlhela o le mo lesireng o na le mosadi wa gago le nyalana, a bo a tlhama pina gone foo, a bo batho ba mo sala morago a bo ba opelela go nna monate.

A bo a tlhama ya bobedi.


Fa o tswa mo lenyalong leo, o setse a tlhamile dipina di ka nna tharo go ya kwa botlhanong.

Batho ba ba ntseng jalo, ke ba ba tlhokanang le gore e ka bo e rile ka nako ya bone, ba bo ba sireletsegile, ba kgona gore ba gatise dipina tseo, e bo e re mo go se sebaka, ba bo le fa a tsamaile jaana, bana ba gagwe ba bo ba sala ba a ja sengwe jaaka tsala yame Leuwe a ntse a bua.

Re na le batho ba ba letsang dikatara ka botswerere kwa kgaolong ya rona ya Kgatleng.
Re na le batho ba ba itseng go boka.

Re ne re na le mmoki wa rona yo motona, go se ka ga nna e kete ke etwa Honourable Leuwe, yo a neng a bidiwa gotwe Belebesheke, o ne a le very popular kwa Kgatleng ka maboko.

Ke tsaya gore gompieno jaana bana ba ga Belebesheke fa e ne e le gore e rile nako ya fa a boka, molao o wa bo o le teng, gongwe ba ka bo ba kile ba sireletsa maboko a gagwe, gompieno a bo a ka kgona gore a rekisiwe kana a bone dipoelo dingwe tse di rileng bana ba gagwe ba je sengwe.
Re na le dipina tsa Sekgatla tsa dikoma, tse re itseng gore di tlhamilwe kwa Kgatleng, particularly dipina tsa mephato ya rona ya Sekgatla tse e leng gore di tlhamilwe ke rona ga di yo gope gape.

Fa o ka ela tlhoko, malatsi ano o fitlhela mongwe fela a e tshameka mo koloing ya gagwe kana a reng, mme go sena ka fa pina eo e sireletsegileng ka teng.
Jaanong ke na le tumelo e e tletseng gore Tona fa molao o re ka o diragatsa sentle, dilo tse di tshwanang le tse, re tlile go di sireletsa, re bo re bona batho ba boelwa ke sepe mo botlhaming jwa bone jo ba bo dirileng.

Re na le dingaka kwa Kgatleng tsa Setswana, tse dingwe tse gotweng ke tse ditšhotšwa, tse dingwe ke tse di latlhang Ditaola; malwetse mangwe a a farologaneng, a itsiwe ke bone fela.
Re itse gore re na le bomme ba bangwe ba ba itekanetseng kwa kgaolong ya Kgatleng ba ba itseng go baya diphogwana.

E le gore tota go baya diphogwana ga bone ke boitsaanape jo bo itsiweng ke bone.

Bomme botlhe ba kgaolo ya Kgatleng ba itse gore fa a batla go baya ngwana phogwana o ya kwa go semangmang.

Jaanong ke dilo tse e leng gore re solofela gore fa re na le policy ya go nna jaana, e tlaa re thusa gore e sireletse batho ba go nna jalo.
Ke batla go tsaya sebaka se Tona go go thusa, go ikuela kwa bananeng gore jaanong ka gore re na le policy ke e fa, e e bidiwang gotwe ke Intellectual Property Policy, a ba rotloetsege gore dilo tsotlhe tse ba ntseng ba di dira ba sena tsholofelo ya gore ba sireletsegile, jaanong ba eme ka dinao ba di dire, ba tlhame dipina, maboko, ba kwale dibuka tse di nang le maboko mo teng jaaka ke ne ke ntse ke bona monana yo mongwe appearing mo television a kwadile buka ya maboko, ba itse gore go na le tshireletsego.
Kana gore re kgone gore re ba fe tsholofelo ya gore ba itse gore ba sireletsegile, go tlaa tshwanelwa gore jaaka Honourable Leuwe a ne a bua, le Batlotlegi ba bangwe ba ba buileng pele game, re netefatse Tona gore policy e is implemented fela ka fa e ntseng ka teng.

Kana fa o ka ela tlhoko, nako e ntsi re le Puso we have good intentions mme go tswa foo re bo re felela e kete intentions tsa rona di isiwa tlase ke implementation, e e tshwanetseng gore e diragadiwe ke bone badiredi ba rona ba Puso.
Ba tshwanetse gore ba netefatse gore mananeo a tshwana le a a diragadiwa.

42 Hansard No 205Thursday 31st March, 2022ADOPTION OF THE BOTSWANA INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY POLICY (BIPP), 2021Motion (Resumed Debate) Jaanong re ne re ntse e kete re le Batlotlegi mo Ntlong e re ka ya kwa bananeng, e re fa re tshwere diphuthego, re ba rotloetse, re thuse Tona Kgafela ka go gasa molaetsa ka policy e le mosola wa yone Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente.
Ke na le tumelo e e tletseng gore fa go ka nna le a proper execution, policy e e tlaa tsaya lefatshe la rona e le baya on the map, e bile e tlaa diragatsa maitlamo a re a dirileng re le Puso a gore re batla gore lefatshe le mo dingwageng tse di sa fediseng pelo, e bo e le lefatshe le le humileng, ka gore jaanong re tlaabo re na le artists, batho ba le bone ba na le dipoelo, ba tshwana fela le bo Bill Gates le ba bangwe bahumi ba ba neng ba humisiwa ke boitseanape jo ba nang le jone.
Ka mafoko a a kana, ke se ka ka ya lolololo Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, ke ema nokeng Mokgatla, morena wa me Mmusi Kgafela.

Rraetsho, Modimo a go segofatse, o bone go tswa lesedi le o kareng fa go ntse go tsweletse, ra bona ditlamorago tsa tiro e e tshwanang le e o e beileng fa pele ga Palamente mo letsatsing la gompieno.

Ke a leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente.

MR SPEAKER: Thank you Minister.

Honourable Minister Rakgare followed by Honourable Minister Dr Letsholathebe.
MINISTER OF YOUTH EMPOWERMENT, SPORT AND CULTURE DEVELOPMENT (MR RAKGARE): Thank you very much Mr Speaker.

Ke tlaa kopa go tima video ya me gore ke kgone go utlwala sentle ka gore ke belaela connectivity ka kwano gore gongwe ga e kopane sentle.

Mr Speaker, e re ke go leboga, ke supe fa gore ke ema nokeng policy e, e re e beilweng pele ke Motlotlegi Kgosi ya rona, mong wa rona Honourable Mmusi Kgafela.

Ke mo ema nokeng jaana Mr Speaker, ka gore this policy is about the young people and their creativity.
Young people are very creative and innovative, sepe fela se o ka se akanyang sa tlhamo e ntšha, o tshwanetse o senkele mo bananeng.

Go a supagala Mr Speaker, gore fa dingwaga tsa rona di setse di tsamaela kwa nakong e jaanong e sa letle gore re ka akanya thata tse di sha, foo re a bo re simolola gore re ka dira tse dingwe; bo go godisa bana jaana, le bana ba bana gammogo le go gakolola ba re tshelang nabo gore mme gone bogologolo, go ne go tsamaya ka tsela e e ntseng jang.
Fa o bua ka banana Mr Speaker, o bua ka yone invention jaaka ke ne ke tlhalosa.

Mr Speaker, I support policy e ka gore mo godimo ga gore fela e botlhokwa yone ka boyone, re lebile Intellectual Property (IP), gape e lemoga the emerging opportunities tse di leng teng mo kgwebong ya malatsing ano.

Fa re lebile the trend internationally fela, ke gore ditlhamo gammogo le bodiragatsi, bo a lemogiwa malatsi a, mme e bile bo a sirelediwa Mr Speaker.
Bo sirelediwa jaana go direlwa gore e se ka ya re kamoso, o bo o utlwa gotwe mongwe o tsere tiro ya yo mongwe, a bo a e dirisa, mme e le gore mong wa tiro eo kana that creation, ga a kgona gore a phimolwe dikeledi.

Re bona seo se diragala kwa mafatsheng a mangwe Mr Speaker.

Ke sone se re amogelang policy e ka diatla tsoopedi, mme re batla go rotloetsa Tona gore fela fa Palamente e sena go nna e e fetisa, go bo go raya gore jaanong o tsena mo tseleng ya gore e diragadiwe.
E diragadiwe Mr Speaker, bana ba rona ba kgone gore ba obe letsogo.

Fa re gakologelwa Mr Speaker, e ne ya re mo ngwageng wa 2020 ka July, Puso through CEDA launched melawana e mesha (new guidelines).

Melawana e fa re gakologelwa Mr Speaker, e ne e tsentse le yone the creative industry mo teng, e le gore melawana e mesha e e lemoga botlhokwa jwa bodiragatsi mo kgolong ya itsholelo ya lefatshe la Botswana.
Ke sone se Motlotlegi Tautona, gammogo le ba Ministry wa Trade and Industry le Puso ka kakaretso, ba neng ba tla ka diphetogo tse.

Jaanong go supagala gore indeed the Government of Botswana, under the tutelage ya ga Dr Mokgweetsi Eric Keabetswe Masisi, e lemoga botlhokwa jwa banana kana karolo e banana ba e tshamekang ka ditlhamo tsa bone gammogo le bodiragatsi mo kgolong ya itsholelo.
Ke sone se go neng gatwe jaanong badiragatsi ba tlile go simolola go dirisa se ba nang le sone; mpho kana neo e ba e filweng ke Modimo eo, as a collateral, go raya gore ba ka ya kwa CEDA, ba ya go tsaya madi gone koo, ba dirisa botsipa jo ba nang le jone.

Re ne re utlwa ba tlhalosa fela gore CEDA e ka kgona go neela badiragatsi ba rona loans tse di gorogang kwa go P50 million, mme e le gore jaanong o tlaabo o sa tlhokane le collateral ka gore collateral e tlaabo e le dikitso tsa gago tseo.
Re ne re bona ka weekend Mr Speaker, le fa e le gore tota ga re bue ka performance kana pina fela, mme re bua ka bodiragatsi ka kakaretso, weekend e re tswang mo go yone e le gore mme wa South Africa, gammogo le ba a neng a tshwaragane le bone ba Batswana, ba patagane and this collaboration e tsisitse show e tona mo lefatsheng la Botswana e e neng e le kwa Tlokweng.
Just this morning, re ne re bona mosetsana yo Makhadzi a aba (donate) 10 per cent of the profits tsa bone, mme 10 per cent o a abiwa jaana, e le gore ke madi a a kana ka P150 000, mo go go rayang gore just under 20 hours, ba dirile madi a a fetang P1,5 million.

Ke mang Mr Speaker, yo o ka dirang madi a a kalokalo fela just under 20 hours?

Go raya gore thulaganyo e ya bodiragatsi e tona, re tshwanetse go e tlhokomela.
43 Hansard No 205Thursday 31st March, 2022ADOPTION OF THE BOTSWANA INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY POLICY (BIPP), 2021Motion (Resumed Debate) Ke sone se ke reng Mr Speaker, ke eme Tona nokeng e bile gape ke batla go mo rotloetsa gore the creative art strategy se ba santseng ba se tshotse, se se itebagantseng le to commercialise the arts industry mo lefatsheng la Botswana, a leke gore le sone ka tshwaragano ya rona le ene, re leke go bona gore re se fefogela ka tsela e e ntseng jang gore se wele, se tle se kgone gore se tsene mo tirisong, se tsamaisanye le policy e, re phuthe gotlhe, tsone tse tsotlhe di tsamaelane le se re se simolotseng e le Arts Council ya lefatshe la Botswana.
Dilo tse tsotlhe Mr Speaker, di tlile go thusa gore bodiragatsi jwa rona bo ye kwa godimo go feta ka fa bo ntseng ka teng, mo nakong ya gompieno.

Our artists gammogo le bone fela badiragatsi ka kakaretso, ba kgone gore ba itirele madi ka dikitso tsa bone gammogo le ditlhamo tsa bone.
Re ne ra bona Mr Speaker, mo dingwageng tse tharo tse di fetileng, e le gore Michael Jackson, mongwe wa badiragatsi ba ba neng ba itsege thata ba popota, yo o neng a felela a re tlogela ka ngwaga wa 2009, e le gore o ne a felela kompone ya gagwe e tsaya ba Disney, e ba isa fa pele ga makgotla, e le gore ba supa gore documentary ya bone which they aired on their television, e go utlwalegang e ne e le gore e ne e tshotse some significant excepts jalo tsa dipina tsa gagwe tse di neng di itsege thata tse di akaretsang bone bo Billie Jean e le gore jaanong ba ga Michael Jackson, ba ne ba isa kompone yone eo fa pele ga lekgotla gore nnyaa, batho ba ba tsuolotse ditshwanelo tsa rona, e bile gape ba tsere ditlhamo tsa ga Michael Jackson, ba di dirisa botlhaswa without the consent ya ba ba emetseng Michael Jackson.
Jaanong re batla phimolodikeledi, mme go ne ga felela e le gore maphata oo mabedi kana the two parties, ba dumalana gore they will settle out of court, mme go raya gore jaanong kana, gore fela go bo ba Disney ba dirisitse ditlhamo tsa ga Michael Jackson, dipina gammogo le the music videos tsa gagwe, gone golo moo ka bogone, go go raya gore ba ne ba dule mo tseleng.
Sone se Mr Speaker, se go raya se re go botlhokwa thata go sireletsa bodiragatsi jwa rona ka gore fa re dirile jalo, bana ba rona ba kgona go oba letsogo ba sa kgopakgopediwe.

Ke sone se re emeng policy e nokeng thata e bile re sa tshikinyege.

Honourable Kgafela, go botlhokwa thata gape gore re se ka ra tshosiwa ke dipuo tsa batho kana maikaelelo a bone, ke go leka go re ntsha mo tseleng le go raya Batswana gotwe batho ba ba batla go senya.
Re ne re na le Steve Harvey yo tota fela go neng go na le tsela fela e e tsepameng ya gore go tsile go re thusa go rulaganya bodiragatsi jwa rona go feta ka fa bo rulaganeng ka teng.

Mr Speaker, we must understand gore Botswana ga se lefatshe le le nosi, we are not an island, mo gape re ka reng re na le monopoly wa dikitso wa gore badiragatsi ba rona ba itse sengwe le sengwe ga ba tlhoke thuso.
Ke gore fa e le gore lefatshe le le ntle jaaka Dubai, le le nang le madi a a seng kanaka sepe, le le kgonneng gore le age iconic buildings, le le kgonneng gore le dire network ya ditsela e e meletswang mathe ke batho ka go farologana, fa lefatshe le le humileng jaaka leo ba kgona to engage motho yo o tshwanang le Steve Harvey gore a tle go bapatsa expo ya bone jaaka ba ne ba dirile, Ao rona re tlaabo re le bomang, ba re tlhaelang monna yo?
Fa gotwe Steve Harvey o tlile go re thusa go rulaganya bodiragatsi jwa rona, gore bana ba rona ba kgone gore ba dire madi go feta ka fa ba a dirang ka teng, e bo jaanong go tsoga modumo, “hei motho yo o neetswe tiro directly, gape golo mo go a lebega…” fela ka gore Steve Harvey go lebega a na le botsalano le Tautona.
Rona kgang ya rona ga se botsalano le Tautona, kgang ya rona ke gore bodiragatsi jwa rona bo tsile go ungwelwa ke thulaganyo e ka tsela e e ntseng jang kana go le kanakang, a mme jone bodiragatsi jwa rona bo tsile go gola go feta ka fa bo ntseng ka teng.

Re re dilo tse Honourable Kgafela, go batla re di tshwaraganela le ba Office of the President (OP), re bone gore Steve Harvey o ka boa jang, kgang ya gagwe e ka boela jang gore a tle go re thusa.
E bile go nne le transparency gore o tla fa a tla go dira eng, jaaka go ne go setse go supagetse gore plans di mo tseleng tsa gore a tle go re thusa.

Ke ne ke re ka mafoko a a ntseng jalo Mr Speaker, ke lebogile thata, ke ema Tona Mmusi Kgafela nokeng.

MINISTER OF TERTIARY EDUCATION, RESEARCH, SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY (DR LETSHOLATHEBE): Dumlani, it has been a while Mr Speaker, it is good to see you.
Ke go leboge fela thata Mr Speaker, go bo o mphile tshono ya gore le nna ke akgele mo molaong o ke tsayang gore o botlhokwa fela thata.

O botlhokwa fela thata mo go nna mo thomong e ke e filweng le Motlotlegi Rre Lesaso, ke mongwe yo o tlaa re thusang.

Mr Speaker, se ke kgatelopele, ke sengwe se ke se emang nokeng fela thata, ke ema Tona nokeng fela thata.

Policy e Mr Speaker, e tlaa re thusa gore re goroge kwa torong ya rona ya go tswa mo ditswammung, go ikaega ka dikitso.
E tlaa kgona gore go yeng pele le rona ka dikitso tseo, re kgone go tswa mo middle high to high economy.

E tlaa re thusa gore re bone le dikgang tse tsa import bill ya rona e le kwa godimo, re kgone gore re e sutise.
44 Hansard No 205Thursday 31st March, 2022ADOPTION OF THE BOTSWANA INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY POLICY (BIPP), 2021Motion (Resumed Debate) Mr Speaker, sengwe se re tshwanetseng gore re se itse ke gore Batswana re tswa kgakala re na le dikitso tsa rona, mme gantsi e nna sephiri se go senang ope yo o batlang gore a ka se abelana le yo mongwe.
Sephiri se dirwa gantsi ke gore, bontsi jwa batho ba ne ba tshela ka sone, re fitlhela e le gore fa go na le lelwapa le le itsegeng ka go dira sengwe jaaka go ka alafa phogwana kana go dira thobega, e ne e felela e fetisetswa kwa ngwaneng, mme e le sephiri se go senang gona ope yo o sa se itseng.
Kgang e ya Intellectual Property Policy fa e ka tokafadiwa fela sentle jaaka re e beilwe pele, Batswana ba e tlhaloganya, re tlaa kgona gore re thuse Batswana ba tswe kwa morago ga ...(Inaudible)… ba kgone gore ba rerisane le rona.

Ba buisane le innovators, ba ba bolelele dikitso tse ba nang le tsone, gore go kgone gore go dirisiwe dikitso tsa bone ba itshetse e bile ba tshetse setšhaba ya rona.

Ka jalo ke policy e ke e ratang fela thata.


Mr Speaker, kwa Ministry of Tertiary Education, Research, Science and Technology kwa ntleng ga thomokgolo ya go lebagana le thutokgolo, re lebagane le dikgang tsa research and innovation.

Se re se rotloetsang batho ba ba dirang dipatlisiso ke gore, ba dire dipatlisiso tse di ka thusang Motswana, e se publications fela tse go tlaa nnang gotwe jaaka o mmona jaana o na le publications tse 32 kana 50.
Kgang ke gore o tshwanetse gore e re o dira research, e nne e e ka thusang Motswana gongwe le gongwe kwa a leng teng.

Ka jalo re tlhokana le policy ya go nna jaana.

Motho fa a dirile research, e ka tswa a dirile material o o ka dirang ditsela, a dirile sengwe se se ka kgonang gore e nne peo e re ka e dirisang mo agriculture, e nne sengwe se a ka tshelang ka sone le ene.
Ka jalo, Intellectual Property Policy e tlaa ya go thusa gore researchers ba rona ba kgone gore ba dirise the policy gore ba itshetse, ba kgone gore ba tseye dikitso tsa bone ba di re beye pele, ba bangwe ba di ntsifatse Batswana ba kgone to benefit.

Mr Speaker, sengwe se ke batlang go feta ka sone ke kgang e ke neng ke e simolodisa semmuso maloba mo lefatsheng leno.

Re le Batswana, re tshwanetse gore re boele kwa marakanelong a rona.
Re ithutile maloba jaaka re ne re bona COVID-19 re fodile laene re le kwa morago e bile re lela selelo sa ga Ragele, e le gore ke mathata fela ba ba nang le dikitso tsa bone ba gana ka melemo, ba neela ba bone pele rona re salela kwa morago.

Ke na le tumelo ya gore pele ga melemo eo, e tla re ne re na le dikitso tsa rona.

Kgang ya indigenous knowledge e ke neng ke e simolodisa, e ka thusa setšhaba sa rona and e ka thusa gore re kgone go ipelega.
E seng fela mo melemong fela, Honourable Rakgare o ntse a bua fa ka dikgang tse Batswana ba nang le tsone.

Re na le mebino ya rona, kwa ke tswang teng bo ndhazola bo eng, tse re godileng di ntse di binwa.

E ne e le tse di kgatlhang leitlho fela thata, mme gompieno o fitlhela e le gore mebino ya go nna jalo, gongwe le gongwe batho ba a itirela ba a e tsaya ka cameras ba ya go dira madi ka yone.

Tota ga gona gore o ka ba kganela jang, ka gore ga re a sireletsa dikitso tsa go nna jalo.
Ke goletse go bapa le fa Kgotleng, dikgang re ne re di rarabolela fa Kgotleng, go ne go senke go nna le dilo tse re di bonang tsa malatsinyana a, tsa batho ba ipolaya go nna le mathata a mantsintsi.

Re di utlwalela kwa mafatsheng kwa, gore malatsing a kompone e le tona e tshwana le kompone e ke ka sekeng ka e bua ka leina.

Fa go na le bothata fela mo komponeng eo, go a duwa go ya go nniwa kwa ntle go dirilwe mapakonyana.
Fa gotweng the Human Resource Manager nna le batho o buisane le bone o kgone gore o ba tshereganye ba ba sa utlwaneng sentle, e le the Kgotla system e ba e tsereng mo go rona.

Mme kana mathata ke one ao gore, tota fa re sa e sireletsa, ga gona gore re ka gana ka yone jang.

Dilo tse tsa Intellectual Property Policy, e tlaa re thusa gore re sireletse dikitso tsa rona.
Sengwe se ke batlang go feta ka sone ke kgang ya gore, go na le the Industrial Property Policy e e leng yone e lebaganeng dikitso tse, go bo go nna le ya the Copyright and Neighbouring rights.

E e leng gore fa o lebelela metshameko e tshwana… go na le setlhopha sa Botswana se se neng se dira sentle mo dipineng tsa Setswana.

Fa o lebelela kwa South Africa malatsinyana a, there is a replica, the exactly same group, e bile fa o sa itse o ka tsaya gore ke setlhopha sa go nna jaana.
E bile ba setse ba itsege, setlhopha seo se ne se ya kwa South Africa gangwe le gape gore ba ya go dira madi, jaanong ga go sa tlhole go tlhofafala gore ba ye koo, ka gore sengwe setlhopha sa go nna jalo se tsere kapari le dipina tsa bone.

Ke sengwe se o bonang gore fa ba ne ba itiretse go sireletsa dikitso tsa bone, go ka bo go sena bothata jo re nang le jone.

Sengwe se ke batlang gore re se dire ke go ruta Batswana, ba tlhaloganye gore kgang e ya intellectual property e bereka jang.
Fa re ka e dira fela jaana Tona, ra se ka ra ruta Batswana ga go tle go re solegela molemo.

Batswana ba tshwanetse go tlhaloganye gore intellectual property e ka ba thusa jang.

Re berekisane le ba the World Intellectual Property Organisation, ba kgone go re sireletsa.
Dikitso tsa rona tse ke tsayang 45 Hansard No 205Thursday 31st March, 2022ADOPTION OF THE BOTSWANA INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY POLICY (BIPP), 2021Motion (Resumed Debate) gore mafatshe a di tsere a mangwe, re ka kgona gore re bone gore re a di sireletsa ka tsela e e ntseng jang.
Maloba ke ne ke bona go kwadilwe gotwe Kgalagadi, ke itumela ke tsaya gore gongwe ke kompone e e dirisana le lefatshe la rona, they are using that knowledge e e tsewang kwa Kgalagadi ba e dirisetsa kwa mafatsheng koo gore ba kgone go itshetse ka yone.

Ke sengwe se ke reng fa re ka ruta Batswana, ba tlaa tlhaloganya.

Se fa re ka kgona go se dira Mr Speaker, re ka kgona gore re dire, re bo re itshetse.

Sengwe se Batswana ba se tlhaloganyang, ke kgang ya skills transfer le IP.
Maloba re ne re bona go diragala bontle, kompone e tsile go simolodisa go dira melemo, bangwe ba re nnyaa, ke eng a sa tseye IP a e neela Batswana?

A boela kwa morago Batswana ba sala ba itshetsa ka IP.

Ka re nnyaa, ke gone go tshela ka dikitso tseo.

Fa a re neela IP a tshwanetse go simolola kgwebo mono, a bo a boela kwa morago, go ya go felela e le gore ga go na se a se boneng.
O a bona gore Batswana ba tshwanetse gore ba rutiwe gore skills transfer ke eng, IP ke eng ka gore go yeng pele, o tlaa bona re tshela sentle.

Mr Speaker, ke ema Tona nokeng gore policy e a re e beileng pele, e re tokafatse.

It can be an enabler on researchers and innovators gore re dire tiro ya rona re phuthologile.

Ka a le kalo Mr Speaker, ke ema nokeng Tona mo Tshutisong ya gagwe ya policy ya IP.

Ke a go leboga Mr Speaker.


MINISTER OF INTERNATIONAL AFFAIRS AND COOPERATION (DR KWAPE): Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

Mma le nna ke simolole ka go ema Tona nokeng mo Tshutisong ya gagwe ya Botswana Intellectual Property Policy.

Pele fa ke tsena mo dintlheng tse pedi, tse tharo tse ke batlang go bua ka tsone, fa re lebeletse madi a a dirisiwang ke batho mo go rekeng mo ka Sekgoa gotweng supplements, ka 2020 e ne e le P1.5 Trillion, gatwe ka 2026 e tlaabo e le P2 Trillion.
Fa o tsaya madi a, e le a supplements; dipilisi tse di tshwanang le Vitamin C, di tsaya bongwe mo borarong.

Go raya gore ke P300 Billion.

That is the industry e e leng gore supplements di e tshwere.

Fa o tla mo gae, o lebelela dibapalwa nageng kana tse re nang le tsone mo gae, ke morula, moretologa le morama.

Dilo tse ke ntseng ke di bala tsotlhe tse, di na le dikotla tsa Vitamin C le mahura.
Fa re na le molao o o sireletsang dibapalwa nageng tsa rona re le mo Botswana, re itse gore se re se solofeditseng Batswana gore re batla itsholelo ya dikitso, e e leng gore gompieno re mo sephatlong sa lebaka le Batswana ba le re neetseng gore re tsamaise Puso, o lemoga gore re ka dira phetogo e tona mo itsholelong, e seng fela gompieno le mo bokamosong.

Jaanong rra, molao o, o tsile ka nako e e siameng ka e bile re tswa mo bolwetseng jwa Corona.
Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, ke batla ke reye Batswana ke re, molao o o ntseng jaana, o re siametse.

Dikitso tsa lona tse re itseng gore le na le tsone, jaaka rre mongwe wa gaetsho kwa Tloung, yo o itseng go alafa bolwetse jwa gout, yo o itseng gore fa motho a ilwa ke nama a mo e jese, o a ikitse gore ke raya mang.

Ke nako ya gore a tswe mo sekgapheng, a tle a tshwane le rre yo re neng re na le ene maloba a maabane a tsile go dira melemo e ya Corona le kankere.
Rre yo wa kwa Tloung, kamoso o ka tsamaela kwa lefatsheng le lengwe, mme go ka diragala fa e le gore dikitso tse tsa gagwe di kwadisitswe, di sireleditswe.

Se sengwe se se botlhokwa mo dikitsong tsa rona Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente ke gore, meopelo e batlotlegi ba ntseng ba bua ka yone, bogolo jang ya dikhwaere, a e re jaaka go ne go fetisiwa melao kana Tshutiso ya tsamaiso at the radio le television, beng ba dipina tse ba atswiwe.

Dikhwaere tse di opelwang kwa gaNgwaketse ke Senyetse le Vultures.
Kwa Kgatleng ke itse gore Kgabo, ba na le tsa bone.

Fa melodi ya bone e tswidinya, go kwalwe gore ba ne ba boelwa ke sengwe.

Dilo tse rra, di botlhokwa.

Ke tsaya gore molao o, o tlaa lebelela dilo tse ka gore di tlaabo di kwadisitswe semmuso.

Se sengwe se ke batlang gore ke tshwaele mo go sone, ka ga ke batle go nna moleele Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, dilo tse re di kgone.

Go tswelelwe go dirwe ditlhotlhomiso, go agiwe botsipa jo, bo kwadisiwe.
Re lepalepane le mafatshe a mangwe ka go tsenya madi mo ditlhotlhomisong le mo dipatlisisong.

Mo Botswana, fa re lebelela madi a lefatshe le a dirang mo ngwageng, le dirisa 0.5 per cent wa Gross Domestic Product (GDP).

Re tshwanetse re oketse seelo sa madi a re a tsenyang mo dipatlisisong gore re di sireletse, re tle re gwebe ka tsone.

Madi a ke neng ke a bala, a a kana ka motlhaba wa lewatle ale, marothodi a one a wele mo lefatsheng la Botswana.
Fa ke fetsa mo go emeng Tshutiso e nokeng Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, ke batla gore jaaka fa ke bala policy e, le melawana e e tsamaelanang le yone e kwadilwe, a go tswelelwe dinako tsotlhe.
Go se ka ga dirwa tshekatsheko kana monitoring and evaluation ya policy e fela e. Di dirwe mmogo gore dinako tsotlhe di 46 Hansard No 205Thursday 31st March, 2022ADOPTION OF THE BOTSWANA INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY POLICY (BIPP), 2021Motion (Resumed Debate) bo di tshegetsane gore e re fa re goroga mo dikgweding tse 30 tse di tlang, ka gore re fa gare ga sebaka se Batswana ba se re neetseng gore re tsamaise Puso, re bo re tlhalosetsa Batswana gore tse re le di solofeditseng mo maitlamong a rona, re kgonne go di diragatsa.
Ga ke batle go ya lololo, barwarre ba amile dintlha ka boleele.

Ke batla gore ke reye Tona ke re, re ema molao o nokeng ka tsotlhe tse re nang le tsone.

Ke a leboga Motsamaisa Dipusainyo tsa Palamente.

MR MMOLOTSI (FRANCISTOWN SOUTH): Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

Le nna ke rata gore ke tseye nako e ke latlhele mo policy e ya ga Rre Mmusi Kgafela.

Mr Speaker, I think re tshwanelwa ke gore mo nakong e e fetileng e se gompieno, re bo re ne re e emetse ka dinao gore policy e, e nne teng.
Policy e, e nne teng Mr Speaker ka gore mo lefatsheng la Botswana batho ba le bantsi ba jelwe ntsoma ka lebaka la go tlhoka tshireletsego ya imaginations and creations tsa ditlhaloganyo tsa bone.

O kgona go lemoga gore mangwe a mabaka a gore gompieno e bo mongwe le mongwe a batla a white collar job, a blue collar job, is because policy e e tshwanang le e. E ntse e tlhaela ka lebaka la gore batho ba ka bo ba iphirile ka ditalente tsa bone le dikitso tse ba di dirang.
Kwa America gompieno jaana, more than 53 million people are employed under this industry; e ka nna ya artist ya creative arts and so on and so forth.

Ke nngwe ya ditsela tse re ka dirang ditiro ka tsone.

Tshireletsego ya dikitso le ditlhamo mo lefatsheng la Botswana e tswa kgakala e sa direlwe tshiamo.

Ke itse bakwadi ba dibuka ba le bantsi mo Botswana, e ka tswa e le tsa thuto le itloso bodutu.
Fa o lebelela bakwadi ba teng, ga go na ope yo o ka emelang fale wa re, motho ke mokwadi wa dibuka tse dintsintsi, o bona ka khumo ya gagwe.

Kwa America motho yo o kwadileng buka e le nngwefela, e nna mohumi yo o seng kana ka sepe.

Kwa America motho yo o dirileng pina e e ratiwang ke setšhaba, e nna mohumi yo o seng kana ka sepe.

Ka tsela e e ntseng jalo, tshireletso ya ditlhaloganyo tsa batho le ditlhamo tsa bone, ke selo se re tshwanelwang ke go se tsaya ka tlhwaafalo.
Ke dumela gore Batswana ba tshwanelwa ke go rutwa thata ka lebaka la gore gompieno jaana, o ka fitlhela sekole sa ga Goromente photocopying buka e e kwadilweng ke mokwadi mongwe.

Ba sa itse gore go molato.

Ba itse fela gore sekole ga se na madi, they can photocopy ba neela bana ba bone.
O ya go fitlhela bana ba rona ba dirile Compact Discs (CDs), ba dirile dipina tse di monate mo go gakgamatsang, madi a a ba boelang a kwa tlase thata ka lebaka la gore go rekwa CD e le nngwefela, e bo e le gore ba bangwe ba tla ba dira meriti ya CD eo, go bo go raya gore ditalente tsa bana ba rona ga di ba busetse sepe ka lobaka la gore ga go sa tlhole go rekwa, jaanong batho duplicate dilo tsa bone.
So, go tlhoka gore batho ba itsisiwe gore go dira jaana ga se tshiamo, ke molato ka gore fa ba sa itse, ba tlaa tswelela ba dira mme e bile fa melao e sa gagamadiwe, ba tlaa tswelela ba dira mme ba humanegise bakwadi ba dibuka, babini ba dipina jalojalo Mr Speaker.

Lefatshe la rona le ka bo le tsamaya kgakala.

Go na le batho ba e leng gore they have developed recipes tse di seng ka sepe tsa dijo.
Go a tshwenya Mr Speaker gore gompieno o bo o ya kwa mafatsheng a mangwe a e leng gore they do not produce beef mme o bo o fitlhela e le gore they have packaged beef ba e tsentse in the tins, e le recipes tse ba di tsereng mo Botswana.
E le gore rona tota ga gona sepe se se re rotloetsang se se re rutang gore diswaa tse tsa rona, madombi a rona a re a apayang, re ka di sireletsa ka tsela e e ntseng jang jaaka go apaya ledombi le le tshwanang le le neng le apewa ke ntate le o fitlhelang go tsentswe marapo kwa tlase a nama gore soup e palame fa godimo jaana.
Kana golo moo e ne e le botsipa jwa monnamogolo jwa go apaya madombi jo ke dumelang gore mo nakong ya gompieno fa e ne e le gore dilo tse di ka bo di tseetswe kwa pele tsa sirelediwa, e ka bo e le gore re bahumi ba dinaledi ka madombi.

Fa o ya kwa bo South Africa they can our phane.

O bo o fitlhela e le gore dilo tse kana ke tse di ka bong di dirilwe ke rona, re di sireleditse.
Ope yo o di dirisang a bo a di dirisa ka madi jaaka gompieno jaaka re itse gore ga o ka ke wa tsaya brand jwa Nandos wa bo dirisa go rata le go bona.

Mr Speaker, mme o tswa kwa kgaolong e nngwe kwa Tswapong e e bidiwang gotwe kwa Goo-Tau.

Bogologolo kwa Goo-Tau go ne go na le le rre mongwe a bidiwa Rra Keadirile.

Rra Keadirile e ne e le motho yo o neng a na le dikitso tse di gakgamatsang.
E ne e re motho fa gotwe o loilwe, ga ke itse gore motho yo o loilweng ke yo a bong ntse jang, mme ke ne ke tlhola ke utlwa gotwe motho yo o loilwe thata, go raya gore mo iseng kwa go Rre Rra Keadirile a mo dirolole.

Jaanong o kgona go bona gore monnamogolo Rra Keadirile o tsamaile ka dikitso tse e leng gore fa di ne di ne tsa sirelediwa (patent), mo nakong ya gompieno batho ba ba loilweng, ba tlhoka go dirololwa, ba ka bo ba ya kwa Goo-Tau ba ya go dirololwa ke ba ba setseng ka dikitso tse.
E le gore golo mo go sireletsegile ka tsela e go ka kgonang go thusa setšhaba.

47 Hansard No 205Thursday 31st March, 2022ADOPTION OF THE BOTSWANA INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY POLICY (BIPP), 2021Motion (Resumed Debate) Mebino Mr Speaker, ba bangwe ba dirile mebino e mentsi, mongwe le mongwe o a e bina.

Motho a tshwana Motsamai jaana o tlhola a bina mmino wa cabbage a sa itse gore mmino o o dirilwe ke mang jang, ene o o bina mahala fela.
Fa e ne e le gore mebino e ke e e leng gore e ne e sireletsegile, ke dumela thata gore ba o ba ba e dirileng ba ka bo ba… HONOURABLE MEMBER: Kana wa tlhomela.

MR MMOLOTSI: Fa o tsaya Setswana se e leng gore re a itse gore go ne gona le melemo ya bo thobega e e leng gore gone go alafiwa kgomo fela e robegile ka tsamaiso ya Setswana fela.
Dilo tse ke dikitso tse e leng gore ke tsaya gore fa e ne e le gore di ne tsa sireletsega, tsa godisiwa, go ka bo go sa tlhoke gore gompieno jaana batho ba bo ba ya go nna kwa sepateleng sa Mahalapye dikgwedi gotwe ba baakanngwa leoto le le robegileng.

Batho ba ka bo ba alafiwa gone foo.

Re a itse gore golo mo go ne go bereka mo go gakgamatsang.

Mme ka lone lebaka la gore re ne ra se ka ra bona gore re sireletse dikitso tse di ntseng jaana, jaanong go setse go nyelela.
Ke dikitso tse batho ba neng ba na le tsone tse re ka bone re di sireleditse ra ya golo gongwe ka tsone.

Ke ne ke batla go rialo Mr Speaker ke re go a tlhokafala tota gore re sireletse dikitso le ditlhamo tse di dirilweng ke batho ba lefatshe leno ka maikaelelo a gore ba kgone gore ba itirele ditiro, ba bone maduo.

Kwa kgaolong ya me ke na ke baopedi ba dinatla ba ba ntshang dipina le maboko a a gakgamatsang.

Ke na le groups tse di tshwanang tsa bo Madala and Kelly.
Fa o ka utlwa dipina tse bana ba ba di ntshang, o ka fitlhela e le gore golo fa ba ka sireletsega, ba ka ya kgakala.

Go na le groups tsa setso tse di tshwanang le bo Bana Bana Ba Ntogwa ba ba kwa Francistown West ba ba nang le ditlhamo tse di seng kana ka sepe, mme o fitlhela batho ba di opela fela ba sa tsaya tetla.

O fitlhela dipina tse ba di gatisitseng di tshamekiwa mo, batho ba di tsere ka memory sticks, bana ba Modimo ba sa kgone gore ba bone maduo.
Minister, policy e e tlaa re thusa go leka go sireletsa botlhale jo bangwe ba a bong ba dule ka jone, talents tsa bana le tsa ba ba kwalang dibuka mo lefatsheng le gore go tle go nne le maduo mme maduo a bonale, e se ka ya nna o kare motho o iketsha bodutu fela.
Ke mongwe wa batho ba ba kwadileng dibuka Mr Speaker, mme ga go itshupe gore dibuka tse ke di kwadileng di dirisiwa kwa dikoleng ka lebaka la gore dikole di kgona to photocopy dibuka e bo e le gore go rekiwa dibuka tse pedi fela that would be photocopied.

Golo moo go dirile gore jaanong Batswana ba iphitlhele ba humanegile mme ba ne ba na le tse e neng ele ditlhamo tsa bone tse di neng di ka ba direla botshelo go ya kwa pele.
Ka mafoko a a kalo Mr Speaker, ke ne kere ke eme gole kalo mme e bile ke leke go thusa le bone bo Honourable Rakgare gore ka go lebega o kare ba na le mathatanyana mangwe, ba ye kwa Goo-Tau ba fete ba ye go botsisisa gore lelwapa la ga Rra Keadirile le fa kae.

Ba ka kgona gore ba tle ba dirololwe ba tsene mo tseleng e e siameng, ba tle ba emise go bua dipuonyana tse o fitlhelang ba di bua tse di supang fa motho a dirilwe a batla go dirololwa.

Ke a leboga.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Laughter!


)… Ga o ntheye Wynter.

MR SPEAKER: Minister Kgafela, you can reply to the debates.

MINISTER OF INVESTMENT, TRADE AND INDUSTRY (MR KGAFELA): Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, ke utlwile batlotlegi.

Ke lebogela gore ba bo ba nkeme nokeng ka Tshutiso e. Ke solofetse go le gontsi mme le bone ke ba solofetsa gore ga re ka ke ra ba swabisa nna le ba ke tshwaraganeng diatla le bone go tlhomamisa gore Batswana ba simolola go ungwelwa intellectual property.
Jaaka ke tlhalositse, kana re tshwanetse ra simolola ra jwala thuto le kitso ya gore selo se ke dithoto.

Ke dithoto tse e leng gore fa di ka tshwatolwa mo diatleng tsa gago, o na le tshwanelo ya gore o kope phimolo keledi.

Fa e le gore mongwe o di tshwatotse a bo a tsamaya a ya go ungwelwa ka tsone, e bo e le gore o kgona gore o phimolwe keledi ga mmogo le gore a go duele se ene a se robileng ka dithoto tseo tsa gago.
Le ntswa re tlisa policy e jaana, e dikile e eteletswe pele ke melao jaaka ke ne ke tlhalosa kwa tshimolong ya puo gore melao e teng.

Ke kopa gore Batswana ba simolole go itlwaetsa gore melao eo e teng eo.

Go na le bangwe ba e leng gore ke itse gore ba a e itse and ba tsaya dikgato tsa gore ba dirise dikitso tsa bone mme e bile e re fa ba gapetswe dithoto tse, ba tseye dikgato tsa gore ba itsheke, ba kope gore ba phimolwe keledi.
Bontsi jwa nako Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, ke a ne ke kopana… segolo jang mo dikgetsing tsa tenders, tse e a bong e se tender, e a bo e le mogopolo wa kgwebo o tla ka Motswana a kopa go o rekisetsa Lephata, segolo jang la Botsogo ka ke lone le ke itseng 48 Hansard No 205Thursday 31st March, 2022ADOPTION OF THE BOTSWANA INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY POLICY (BIPP), 2021Motion (Resumed Debate) gore in a medical field gangwe le gape re bona batho ba tla ba tlhamile sele le sele.
Go bo go raya gore jaanong ke nngwe ya dingongora tse ke di amogelang.

Ke tlaa tshwanelwa ke gore ke di emele ka dinao, ke kgaleme.

Ba tle ba supe lesokolela la gore bone jaanong ba setse ba boifa go tsaya megopolo e ba e isa kwa badiring ba Puso ka gore kana ke dikakang le ditlhamo tsa bone.
E bo e re fa ba se na go nna ba di lere mo badiring ba Puso gore ba di sekaseka ba ikopela go gweba, e bo e le gore jaanong ga ba tsewe ka tlhoafalo mme e re kwa morago ba bone megopolo ya bone e le gore e tsentswe mo tirisong ke ba sele, ba a kotula.
Dipelaelo e bo e nna gore badiri bale ba Puso ka ke bone ba ba kgonneng go latlhela bofofu mo megopolong e, by reason of their possessions as officials, e tshwanetse ya bo e le bone ba ba ntshitseng mosi ka sekhurumelo kana ba ngathogana mogopolo o le mongwe, yo gongwe a neng a dumalana gore o ka kotula le bone.
Ke dilo dingwe tse re tlaa di tsenyang leitlho, mme ke gakolole le Batswana gore fa di ba diragalela ba se ka ba ipha tsapa ya go ema ka dinao ba re tsibosa re le ofisi, gore bagaetsho ke tshwapholetswe dithoto, e bong megopolo, dikakanyo tsa me, ke di bonela kgakala go kotulwa ka tsone.

Gape ke supe gore, kana fa re ntse re bua ka intellectual property e ke re, ke kaile gore Companies and Intellectual Property Authority (CIPA) ke yone Secretariat.
Ba na le dithata tsa go atlhola, tshereganya le go kgaoganya, mme e re fa go retetse kwa go bone go na le ditshetlana tse di reng, motsadi kana monana a ikuele kwa go Tona go tla go mo tshereganya le yo o ka tswang a sa mo tshidise sentle ka dithoto tse tsa gagwe tsa dikakanyo.

Ka go a diragala gore batho ba kgatlhegele leina kana a trademark e a ka tswang a gweba ka yone ka ba a itse gore that trademark e itiretse leina, jaanong e lebega e ngokile bogwebi jo bontsi.
E bo e le gore jaanong yo mongwe o simolola go gweba ka leina le le tshwanang la gagwe kana dithoto tse a di rekisang, a di baya letshwao le le atumetseng la motlhami.

Ke dikgang tse di leng teng mo lefatsheng la Botswana, ke re Batswana ba eme ka dinao.

Fa yo mongwe o kare o gweba ka se e leng leina la gago kana a beile letshwao le le tshwanang la gago mo kgwebong, o ka kgona go ikatumetsa o ya go mo tseela dikgato fa pele ga Registrar ya CIPA gore a kgalengwe.
Le bone Batswana ke ba rotloetse go dirisa ofisi ya CIPA gore ba kwadise their trademarks.

Tota fela tshireletso e nna motlhofo, ke sa re ke yone fela, e nna motlhofo fa o kwadisitse.

Ke amogela gore le fa o sa kwadisa o a sireletsega, ka gore re na le melao e e kwadilweng mo dibukeng e se mo statutes, e kwadilwe ke bakwadi.
E a kaya gore fa motho le fa a sa kwadisa letshwao, mme o bona o kare mongwe o a le dirisa, go na le Sekgoa se gotweng passing of, ke gore o itira jaaka e kete o motho yoo, go a kgonagala gore o ye go ikuela kwa makgotlatshekelong.

O ye go kopa phimolo keledi kana thibelo gore a tlogele go itira jaaka e kete ke wena.

Ke dilo tse e leng gore fa re ntse re phatlalatsa thuto re tshwanetse go tsibosa segolo jang banana, gore diofisi ke tseo di butswe, tsamayang le ye go kwadisa.
Fela jaaka batlotlegi ba bua gore a e se ka ya nna megopolo fela e e kwalwang, e nne megopolo e e leng gore se se akantsweng se felela se bopiwa go nna se se ka dirisiwang in the industries, sa sologela trade mosola, sa tsena mo tirisong.

Se jaaka Motlotlegi Tona wa Thuto e Kgolwane, Dr Douglas Letsholathebe a tlhalosa, se raya bomonaarona gore ba eme ka dinao ba tsibogele ntlha e ya go tlhama, ba nne innovative, creative.
Le tlaa itse gore lefatshe la Zimbabwe ka se sebaka le fa ba kile ba nna ka fa tlase ga kgatelelo ya economy, mme selo se se ne sa ba ruta gore ba itepatepanye le intellectual property segolo jang mo go kwadiseng patents.

Ke lengwe la mafatshe a a eteletseng pele fa go tsena mo go kwadiseng patents, ba tsere patents ba di tsentse mo tirisong ya gore jaanong di ba tlhotlhele madi ba kgone go kotula ka tiriso ya tsone.

Re santse re le kwa moragonyana re le lefatshe la Botswana mo go kwadiseng patents.
Ke kope ka tsweetswee gore Batswana betsho a re kwadiseng patents.

Le tlaa itse gore go na le dikgwebo dingwe tsa franchises jaaka batlotlegi ba buile ka tsone gore di dintsi.

Basimolodise ba franchise ba a kotula ka se sebaka, ba a ungwela, ka gore e ne e le dikakanyo tsa bone, di bo di amogelwa ke ba le bantsi.

Ba di dirisa ka fa tlase ga ditumalano le diteseletso tsa gore ba di dirise, e le dikakanyo tsa bone.
Le mo Botswana re santse re tlhomile matlho re batla go bona gore dikakanyo ka tsweetswee Batswana betsho, a di eme ka dinao.

Re itse gore re na le, fa ke sa fose, mo brands tsa rona tsa ba ba re fang dijo, re na le the Braai Place, fa ke sa fose ke selo se se tsalwang gone mo gaetsho.

Go botlhokwa go ba rotloetsa gore ba eme ka dinao ba ye go kwadisa botlhami joo jwa bone.
E tle e kgone go nna franchise e e leng gore ga e mo lefatsheng la Botswana fela, mme e a tswelela pele e jwelelela le kwa mafatsheng a mangwe gore e aname, e tlaa thusa gore Batswana ba nne le ditiro tse dintsi.

Franchise di teng tse di tswang kwa mafatsheng a sele jaanong, re bona e le gore di dintsi.

Le rona re tshwanetse go bofa ditlhako ra itepatepanya le mafatshe a.
Re a itse gore go na le Ocean Basket, e e leng gore is a franchise, batho ba ipopile ba bo ba tla ka mogopolo wa gore ba eletsa 49 Hansard No 205Thursday 31st March, 2022ADOPTION OF THE BOTSWANA INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY POLICY (BIPP), 2021Motion (Resumed Debate) go rekisa tlhapi, go jewa tlhapi ka tsela e e ntseng jang, ka culture ya mofuta mang.

Fa ke sa fose e tlhamilwe ke ma Afrika Borwa, mme re a itse gore e aname.
Jaanong ke tsone dikai tse ke di nayang tse gore, Batswana betsho ka tsweetswee a re emeng ka dinao, fela jaaka batlotlegi ba kaile gore re na le seswaa mo ga rona, Makgoa ba e bitsa ba re pounded meat, kwa gaetsho ra re ke tshotlho, ke selo se se itsegeng gore se unique to Botswana.

Re tshwanetse re iphuthe re kgone gore selo se re se kwadise e le kitso, le botlhami jwa rona gore go jewa ka tsela e e ntseng jang.
Re se anamisa le lefatshe ka bophara, e re fa o etile Motlotlegi Rre Nkawana, o etetse kwa mafatsheng a a tsididi o fitlhela tshotlho e jewa, e bo e le gore go a itshupa mo dibukeng tseo tlhophang dijo mo go tsone, gore se se bidiwa gotwe tshotlho, mme se tswa kwa lefatsheng la Botswana.

Ba ba nang le wena foo ba simolole go itse gore lefatshe la Botswana le dira eng.

Ke jone botlhami jo re buang ka jone ka se sebaka fa re bua ka intellectual property.
Ga ke eletse go tsaya sebaka se se leele Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente ka gore tota batlotlegi ba nkatlile, ba amogetse Tshutiso e gore re amogele policy e re e tsenye mo tirisong.

Jaanong sa rona fela ke go thuba lebelo, ke gore jaanong le kwa dikoleng re rotloetse gore e nne bontlha bongwe jwa dithuto, ka re tsepame gore mo nakong e e tlang re bo re le lefatshe le le ikaegileng ka dikitso.
Ka re amogela gore natural resources fa nako e ntse e ya di a fela, go bo go raya gore tota fela re wela ka motlhobodika.

Re tshwanetse go lebaleba concept e ya knowledge based economy, e tswa bogologolong, ga se rona ba ntlha go simolola go bua ka yone re le lefatshe la Botswana.

Fela ka se sebaka re kopane le mafatshe a mangwe gore se re tshwanetse go itebaganya le sone, ra se diragatsa.

Le bokwadi, bodiragatsi, Motlotlegi Tona Rakgare, re tsepame gore badiragatsi ba ungwelwe.
E bile ba se ka ba iphitlhela e le gore they are undersold, ba tshwanetse go ungwela mo go se ba se dirang in a manner e e leng gore it makes their profession a dignified one.

Le bone baboki ka ba a bo ba tlhamile, ba simolole go itse gore boboki jo ke botlhami jwa bone, ba kgona gore ba boelwe, dikokomane tsa bone e bo e le gore di a boelwa go ya go ileng, ba nna ba tswelela pele.

Go botlhokwa batsadi gore dilo tse re di kwale.


Nngwe ya tse di re busetsang kwa morago ke tlhaelo ya go kwala dilo tse, e bo re di tshwara mo mabokong a rona, ba ba di abetsweng a bo jaanong ba ya lebitleng ka tsone di sa kwalwa.

E bo yo mongwe fa a goroga a fitlhela e le gore ga go a kwala ka o a researcher, a bo a itshema gore jaanong ke ene wa ntlha who discovered selo sa mofuta o o ntseng jalo.
Re na le digwere tse e leng gore they are unique to Botswana, tse dingwe di bonwa kwa Kgalagadi di timola lenyora, di baka gore motho a kgone go nna sebaka se seleele a tshegetsegile a sa bolawe ke tlala le lenyora.

A bo e le gore jaanong ba bangwe ba a tla ka ga go kwalwe Rre Motsamai, ba tsaya selo seo ba a se tswakanya.

A bo jaanong o se fitlhela mo pharmacy gotwe ke yone konokono ya go fokotsa mmele o o bokete, se go itsa gore o se ka wa kgatlhegela go ja, o latlhe mmele fa o go sokodisa.
Dilo tse ke tshwapolo ya kitso e re bonang day light robbery.

Rre Motsamai, bagaeno go tshwapolwa kitso mo go bone, go bo go ya go ungwelwa ka tsela e e menaganeng gantsintsi, bone ba tlogelwa mo leshekereng.

Batlotlegi, dikgaolo tsa rona dikhutlo tse nne tsa lefatshe la Botswana, ka tsweetswee a re tsenyeng lebogo.

Ba re itseng gore ba na le botsipa re ba thuse gore ba atumele pele botsipa jo jwa bone go kwalwe, go itsiwe ka jone, le bone ba kgone gore ba akgele ka jone.
Re ba thuse gore ba se ka ba tshwapolelwa botsipa jo ke ba ba mabelo go ba feta.

Ka mafoko a a kalo batlotlegi, ke le leboga go menagane gantsintsi gore a bo le nkatlile ka Tshutiso e. Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, Rre Motsamai ke utlwile a gotlholagotlhola, ga ke itse gore a o ne a eletsa go kopa clarification kgotsa what.

Fela ke eletsa gore ke re batsadi, ke sugile kuane Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente.

Question put and agreed to.


HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… ADOPTION OF THE NATIONAL QUALITY POLICY FOR BOTSWANA (NQP), 2021 Motion (MR KGAFELA): Ke a MINISTER OF INVESTMENT, TRADE AND INDUSTRY leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamante.

Ke lebogele segolo jang lebelo le re tsamayang ka lone le.

E le ruri re tlile go dika re digetse tiro ya Palamente.
Ke motlotlo gore ka sebaka se ke bo ke sutisa fa pele ga batlotlegi ba Ntlo e Tshutiso e e ba kopang gore ba nkatle gore re amogele re le lefatshe la Botswana the National Quality Policy ya ngwaga wa 2021.
50 Hansard No 205Thursday 31st March, 2022ADOPTION OF THE NATIONAL QUALITY POLICY FOR BOTSWANA (NQP), 2021Motion Re itemogetse Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, re le lephata gore quality, seelo kgotsa boleng jwa dithoto tse di rekwang le ditirelo tse re di neelang bagarona le ba mafatshe a sele, ke konokono.

Ke pinagare e e tlaa tlhomamisang gore re tswelele pele re kgatlha ba ba eletsang go reka kgotsa ba tsaya ditirelo mo go rona.
Policy e ke buang ka yone e bua segolo bogolo jang ka the quality and standards tse di botlhokwa gore le rona re kgone gore fa gare ga ditšhabatšhaba, re tseye karolo mo papading.

Botlhokwa jwa gore tse re di rekisetswang kgotsa re di rekisa le ditirelo tse re di neelang tsa maemo a a kwa godimo, re tle re kgone go di rekisetsa our trading partners.
E botlhokwa thata go re thusa gore jaaka re kobakobile mogopolo wa gore re felele re isa tse di kwa ntle, di nne dintsi go feta tse re di amogelang go tswa kwa ntle; in other words, the Export Led Strategy re se fitlhelela jaaka re itlamile go se fitlhelela.

Maikaelelo a rona a tlhoka gore dithoto, bodiredi kgotsa ditirelo tsa rona mo region e, continent ya Africa ka bophara le mo mafatshefatsheng otlhe, e bo e le tsa maemo a a amogelesegang, a kgatlhisa.
Botlhokwa jwa policy e tota fela bo ikaegile segolo jang ka the National Quality Infrastructure gammogo technical regulations.
the le The infrastructure e ke buang ka yone, ke yone e e buisang kgotsa e e alang, kgotsa e bua ka the institutions tse e leng gore they are in the private sector le tse di mo makalaneng a Puso, tse ka tsone di tshwanetseng di tshwaraganye diatla le policies tsa bone gore ba di baakanye gore e re fa ba e diragatsa, gammogo le yone melawana; they are all in alignments le maikaelelo a policy e ya rona e ya national quality.
Go na le technical regulation, tsone re tlaa di bona mo tumalanong ya mafatshetfatshe ya World Trade Organisation (WTO) technical barriers to trades.

E bua ka tse di tlhokafalang gore tsa tshireletsego ya botsogo ya tikologo ya rona e bong diphologolo le ditlhare, bajibareki kgatlhanong le dithoto tse di fapogileng kgotsa ke tsa tšabetso, or deceptive practices.

Bogwebi, neelo dithoto kgotsa neelo ditirelo e e leng gore e tletse bojabetsi mo teng.
Ke dilo tse e leng gore di kgaphelwa kwa thoko, ga di kgone gore di felele di tsere manno fa gare ga rona.

This WTO technical barriers to trade agreement e leka ka bojotlhe gore regulations tse di botlhokwa tse, le fa ntswa di le botlhokwa, mme di se ka tsa iphitlhela e le gore jaanong di kgoreletsa bogwebi, e nna disana gore bogwebi bo se ka jwa ema ka dinao.
Policy e ke buang ka yone Batlotlegi, e rile fa e simolola e tšhotlhwa, maikaelelo a yone jaaka ke tlhalositse e ne e le gore dithoto kgotsa ditirelo tsa Botswana, di felela e le gore fa di bapisiwa le tse di amogelesegang mo ditšhabatšhabeng, e bo e le gore le tsone di wela ka fa tlase ga quality kgotsa boleng jo e leng gore bo a amogelesega mo ditšhabatšhabeng.
Barekisi ba dishopo, bajibareki, botlhe e bo e le gore se e leng gore ba a se amogela, ke se e leng gore ga se amogelwe ka fa tlase ga seelo se se measurable in terms of lefatshe la rona fela, se bo se le measurable in terms of the whole world.
Ke supe gore fa re ka kgona kgotsa ra atlega gore re diragatse policy e, jaaka maikaelelo a rona e le go dira, e tlaa kgona gore re le lefatshe la Botswana re kgone go dirisa the quality infrastructure, le the technical regulations tse ke buang ka tsone tse, re di dirise gore di kgone go re thusa go fitlhelela itsholelo e e ikaegileng ka dikitso.

E bile re kgone gore re pakele kgotsa re tlhotlhele Batswana ka kakaretso dikhumo.
Tiragatso ya National Quality Policy, e ikaegile ka ditlhogo kgotsa the principles di ferabongwe; e bong go lemogiwa ke baditšhabatšhaba, go fitlhelela di mmaraka, go tlhomamisa gore tse re di dirang di wela ka fa tlase kgotsa di obamela melawana le ditsamaiso, go jwala mowa wa go kobakoba kgotsa go tlhomamisa gore tsotlhe tse di dirwang go lwelwa gore e bo e le gore ke tsa boleng jo bo kwa godimo.

Tota fa di dirwa, di kgona gore fa di bapisiwa le tse dingwe, di bo a nyalelana.
Di bo gape di direlwa mo pontsheng, boakanyi jo bo tseneletseng, jo bo faphegileng, le mowa wa phadisano.

Thotloetso ya botsogo, pabalesego, le tlhokomelo ya tikologo, le ya ba ba ikemetseng ka nosi, kgotsa private sector participation.

Policy e tebelopele ya yone ke gore, o ntetle ke nopole Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente ka Seesemane.
“Botswana will be a regional and globally recognised national quality institution and technical regulation regime by 2036.” E tlaa re fa policy e e sena go nna e diragadiwa, gammogo with, or in line with the theme, e e reng using quality for Botswana global competitiveness, re tlaa bona e le gore se re se ikaeletseng Batlotlegi, re simolola go bona maungo a sone.
The focus area of this policy, tse e leng gore they are part of its objective, ke tlaa di kaya ka tsela e e latelang; ya ntlha ke National Quality infrastructure, e e leng gore ka bo yone, e bua ka the institutions tse di tlaa tshegetsang dikeletso kgotsa ditsamaiso tse tharo tsa botlhokwa, e 51 Hansard No 205Thursday 31st March, 2022ADOPTION OF THE NATIONAL QUALITY POLICY FOR BOTSWANA (NQP), 2021Motion bong meteorology kgotsa tse di dirisiwang to measure bokete jwa dilo.
Standards and Accreditation services tse e leng gore ke sa tswa go di kaya tse.

Dilo tse tharo tse ke buang ka tsone tse, ke konokono ya policy e, ke tsone tse di kgontshang baikemedi ka nosi gore le bone ba kgone gore fa ba neelwa ditirelo tse tsa meteorology services, standards and accreditation services, go bo go na le se ba se tlhomang leitlho for purposes of their assessment.
E re ke ntse ke tswelela pele ke atumela bokhutlong ke re, the technical regulatory framework ya policy e, e bua ka boleng kgotsa sefatlhego sa dithoto kgotsa sa ditirelo gammogo le sefatlhego le boleng jwa tse e leng gore di salwa morago gore di felele e le gore they produce these products, and these services.
Processes and production methods, gammogo le gone go tlhomamisa gore ditsamaiso tse e leng gore di sala morago tse ka tsone go tlhomamang gore e re gotwe selo se meta bokana, kgotsa ke sa boleng jo bo rileng, e bo e le gore ke tse di amogelesegang mo ditšhabatšhabeng gore ditsela tse di neng tsa salwa morago in order to arrive at these assessments, ke tse di internationally recognised.

Ke tlaa bua ka botlhokwa jwa to finance this National and Quality and the Technical Regulatory Framework.
Go tlile go tlhokafala gore e bo e le gore re le lefatshe la Botswana, we mobilise all the critical financial resources to support the development le yone kgodiso and restructuring ya the National Quality Institutions tse e leng gore di setse di ntse di le teng from the private and public sector, gammogo with our development partners.

The policy institutional structure e tlhoka gore ba ba amegang ka matshwititshwiti a bone, a bo e le gore ba a thusa gore tiro e, re kgone go e wetsa.
Ke supe gore ofisi ya Botswana Bureau of Standards (BOBS) ya lefatshe lotlhe e e laolang boleng jwa dithoto, it will serve as the secretariat go tlhomamisa gore policy e, e a diragadiwa.

Ministry mongwe le mongwe, lekalana lengwe le lengwe la Puso le mebuso ya dikgaolo, ba tlile go tlamega gore ba tseye karolo mo go tlhomamiseng gore policy e, e a diragadiwa.
Re tle re atlege ka yone, gammogo le gore ba tlhomamise gore ditogamaano tsa gore e a go diragatswa ka tsela e e ntseng jang le bone ba a di obamela.

Go tlaa nna le an Inter-Ministerial Coordination Committee e maloko a yone e tlaa nnang badiri ba Puso go tswa kwa makalaneng a rona ka go farologana, ba tiro ya bone e tlaabo e le go tlhomamisa gore policy e, e a diragadiwa mo Pusong.

Ka sebaka se Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, ke tsepame ka Tshutiso e, e ke e bayang batlotlegi fa pele.
Ke a ba kopa ka tsweetswee gore ba amogele gore policy e ya boleng jwa dithoto le ditirelo ba e atle, re e adopt, e simolole go tsenngwa mo tirisong.

Ke sugile kuane Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, ke e baya khutlo gone fa.

Ke a leboga.

MR TSHERE (MAHALAPYE WEST): Ke a leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente.

Ke kgwe Minister dikgaba ka ke dumalana le mogopolo wa gagwe.

Dikgang tsa quality, selo sa boleng, ke selo se se botlhokwa mo mothong mongwe le mongwe.
Motswana o a itse gore re dirisa brand power.

Fa o itse brand jwa dijo kana ditlolo gore ke tse di siameng, o nna o reka tsone.

So, that is some form of quality and assurance mo go wena o le moreki.

Go botlhokwa gore lefatshe la Botswana le inaakanye le melao e e tshwanang le e e buang ka quality.

Re netefatse gore dilo tse re di tshwereng ke tsa boleng.
Fa re bua ka accreditation and calibration ya dilo tse, go tewa gore fa dilo di dirwa mo Botswana, di dirwa le kwa mafatsheng a sele, di tlaa tshwana fela.

Therefore, go raya gore fa motho a tla mo Botswana, a itse gore selo se se dirwa jaana, e tlaare fa a tsena kwano, a bo a bona gore ditsamaiso tsa rona di siame fela.

Ke a leboga.

MR SPEAKER: Order!

Order!

Honourable Members.

Honourable Tshere, you will continue next time.

MR TSHERE: Thank you.


MR SPEAKER: It is now 6 o’clock, may I call upon the Leader of the House, His Honour the Vice President, to move a Motion of adjournment.

MOTION ADJOURNMENT LEADER OF THE HOUSE (MR TSOGWANE): Mr Speaker, ke a leboga gore o bo o kopile gore re kope Ntlo e gore e tswalwe.

Mr Speaker, ke ne ke na le letshogo la gore ka fa Minister a neng a tsamaya ka teng, o tlaa kopa extension ya nako letsatsi leno.
Ka go rialo Mr Speaker, jaaka o kopile gore re khutle fa, ke tle ke kope batlotlegi gore ba dumalane le wena gore re name re eme fa ka 6 o’clock o setse a tšhaile.

Ke a leboga.

Question put and agreed to.
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