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THE SECOND MEETING OF THE THIRD SESSION OF THE TWELFTH PARLIAMENT FRIDAY 18 MARCH 2022 MIXED VERSION HANSARD NO: 205 THE NATIONAL ASSEMBLY SPEAKER The Hon.

Phandu T. C. Skelemani PH, MP.

DEPUTY SPEAKER Hon.

P. P. P. Moatlhodi, MP.

(Tonota) Clerk of the National Assembly Deputy Clerk of the National Assembly Acting Learned Parliamentary Counsel Assistant Clerk (E) His Excellency Dr M. E. K. Masisi, MP.

His Honour S. Tsogwane, MP.


(Boteti West) CABINET - President - Vice President - Ms B. N. Dithapo - Mr L. T. Gaolaolwe - Advocate L. O. Tlhowe - Mr R. Josiah Hon.

K. N. S. Morwaeng, MP.

(Molepolole South) - Minister for Presidential Affairs, Governance and Public Administration Hon.

K. T. Mmusi, MP.

(Gabane-Mmankgodi) - Minister of Defence, Justice and Security Hon.

Dr L. Kwape, MP.

(Kanye South) - Minister of International Affairs and Cooperation Hon.

K. K. Autlwetse, MP.


(Specially Elected) - Minister of Local Government and Rural Development Hon.

K. S. Gare, MP.

(Moshupa-Manyana) - Minister of Agricultural Development and Food Security Hon.

P. K. Kereng, MP.

(Specially Elected) - Minister of Environment, Natural Resources Conservation and Tourism Hon.

Dr E. G. Dikoloti MP.

(Mmathethe-Molapowabojang) - Minister of Health and Wellness Hon.

T.M.

Segokgo, MP.

(Tlokweng) - Minister of Transport and Communications Hon.

K. Mzwinila, MP.
K. Mzwinila, MP.

(Specially Elected) - Minister of Land Management, Water and Sanitation Services Hon.

T. M. Rakgare, MP.

(Mogoditshane) - Minister of Youth Empowerment, Sport and Culture Development Hon.

A. M. Mokgethi, MP.

(Gaborone Bonnington North) - Minister of Nationality, Immigration and Gender Affairs Hon.

P. O. Serame, MP.

(Specially Elected) - Minister of Finance and Economic Development Hon.

F. M. M. Molao, MP.

(Shashe West) - Minister of Basic Education Hon.

Dr D. Letsholathebe, MP.


(Tati East) Hon.

L. M. Moagi, MP.

(Ramotswa) - Minister of Tertiary Education, Research, Science and Technology - Minister of Mineral Resources, Green Technology and Energy Security Hon.

M. Kgafela, MP.

(Mochudi West) - Minister of Investment, Trade and Industry Hon.

M. R. Shamukuni, MP.

(Chobe) - Minister of Employment, Labour Productivity and Skills Development Hon.

E. M. Molale, MP.

(Goodhope-Mabule) - Minister of Infrastructure and Housing Development Hon.
D. M. Mthimkhulu, MP.

(Gaborone South) - Assistant Minister, Presidential Affairs, Governance and Public Administration Hon.

S. N. Modukanele, MP.

(Lerala -Maunatlala) Hon.

T. Monnakgotla, MP.

(Kgalagadi North) Hon.

M. M. Pule, MP.

(Mochudi East) Hon.

M. S. Molebatsi, MP.


(Mmadinare) - Assistant Minister, Local Government and Rural Development - Assistant Minister, Local Government and Rural Development - Assistant Minister, Local Government and Rural Development - Assistant Minister, Agricultural Development and Food Security Hon.

S. Lelatisitswe, MP.

(Boteti East) - Assistant Minister, Health and Wellness Hon.

N. W. T. Makwinja, MP.

(Lentsweletau-Mmopane) - Assistant Minister, Basic Education Hon.

B. Manake, MP.
B. Manake, MP.

(Specially Elected) - Assistant Minister, Investment, Trade and Industry Hon.

H. B. Billy, MP.

(Francistown East) Hon.

A. Lesaso, MP.

(Shoshong) - Assistant Minister, Youth Empowerment, Sport and Culture Development - Assistant Minister,Tertiary Education, Research, Science and Technology MEMBERS OF PARLIAMENT AND THEIR CONSTITUENCIES Names Constituency Hon.

L. Kablay, MP.

(Government Whip) Letlhakeng-Lephephe RULING PARTY (Botswana Democratic Party) Hon.

Dr U. Dow, MP.

Hon.


P. Majaga, MP.

Hon.

M. Balopi, MP.

Hon.

J. S. Brooks, MP.

Hon.

C. Greeff, MP.

Hon.

T. Letsholo, MP.

Hon.

T. F. Leuwe, MP.

Hon.

T. Mangwegape-Healy, MP.

Hon.

Dr T. Matsheka, MP.

Hon.

S. N. Moabi, MP.

Hon.

P. K. Motaosane, MP.

Hon.

O. Regoeng, MP.

Hon.

J. L. Thiite, MP.


Specially Elected Nata-Gweta Gaborone North Kgalagadi South Gaborone Bonnington South Kanye North Takatokwane Gaborone Central Lobatse Tati West Thamaga-Kumakwane Molepolole North Ghanzi North OPPOSITION (Umbrella for Democratic Change) Hon.

D. Saleshando, MP.

(Leader of the Opposition) Hon.

M. G. J. Motsamai, MP.


(Opposition Whip) Maun West Ghanzi South Selebi Phikwe West Mahalapye East Sefhare-Ramokgonami Ngami Okavango Maun East Bobonong Selebi Phikwe East Palapye Nkange Mahalapye West Francistown West Hon.

D. L. Keorapetse, MP.

Hon.

Y. Boko, MP.

Hon.

Dr K. Gobotswang, MP.

Hon.

C. K. Hikuama, MP.

Hon.

K. K. Kapinga, MP Hon.

G. Kekgonegile, MP.

Hon.

T. B. Lucas, MP.

Hon.

K. Nkawana, MP.

Hon.

O. Ramogapi, MP.

Hon.

Dr N. Tshabang, MP.

Hon.

D. Tshere, MP.

Hon.


M. I. Moswaane, MP.

Hon.

T. S. Khama, MP.

Hon.

L. Lesedi, MP.

Hon.

B. Mathoothe, MP.

Hon.

M. Reatile, MP.

(Botswana Patriotic Front) Serowe West Serowe South Serowe North Jwaneng-Mabutsane Hon.

W. B. Mmolotsi, MP.
Francistown South (Alliance for Progressives) TABLE OF CONTENTS THE SECOND MEETING OF THE THIRD SESSION OF THE TWELFTH PARLIAMENT FRIDAY 18TH MARCH, 2022 CONTENTS PAGE (S) QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER.................................................................................................................1-10 MOTION FOR THE ADJOURNMENT-DEFINITE MATTER OF URGENT PUBLIC IMPORTANCE Government Procurement or Tenders Funded by 2022/2023 Budget Motion.............................................................................................................................................................11-39 Friday 18th March, 2022 THE ASSEMBLY met at 9:00 a.m. (THE SPEAKER in the Chair) P R A Y E R S * * * * QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER LIMID AND ISPAAD BENEFICIARIES MR L. LESEDI (SEROWE SOUTH): asked the Minister of Agricultural Development and Food Security to state: (i) the number of people who have benefited from the following Government schemes/programmes since April 2020; (a) Livestock Management Development (LIMID); and Infrastructure (b) Integrated Support Programme for Arable Agricultural Development (ISPAAD); (ii) which scheme/programme has been suspended, when it was suspended and for how long; and (iii) if any of the schemes/programmes have been upgraded and rolled out to cushion the poor and unemployed against the impact of COVID-19.
ASSISTANT MINISTER OF AGRICULTURAL DEVELOPMENT AND FOOD SECURITY (MR MOLEBATSI): Ke a go dumedisa Mr Speaker.

Ke dumedisa le bakaulengwe.

Ke a go leboga ka potso eo Motlotlegi Lesedi.

Motlotlegi, batho ba ba akotseng lenaneo la Livestock Management and Infrastructure Development (LIMID) go simolola ka April 2020 ba 9 831.

Mo go bone bao… MR SPEAKER (MR MOATLHODI): Motlotlegi Rraetsho Tona, you seem the microphone.

Come a little bit closer to the mic and then you can speak.

O bo o tsholetsa dinao.


Good luck.

too distant from MR MOLEBATSI: Thank you sir, my apologies.

Batho ba ba akotseng lenaneo le ba 9 831 go simolola ka April 2020.

Mo go bone, ba le 273 e le ba kgaolo ya ga Honourable Lesedi, ba Serowe South Constituency.

Mo go bone ba ba tsereng dihutshane, small stock, ba 234; ba ba tsereng dikoko ba 25; ba water development o mongwefela, ba animal husbandry and fodder support ba 13.
Ba ba akotseng lenaneo la Integrated Support Programme for Arable Agricultural Development (ISPAAD) ba ntse jaana mongwame; • Ka 2020 -2021, ba ne ba le 90 892 • Ka 2021-2022, mo go santseng go tsweletse gompieno, ba 33 481.

Ba ba temo ya merogo ba Impact Accelerator Subsidy (IAS), ba ba setseng ba le approved ba 96.

Mo go bone, 45 e santse e emetse gore e duele deposit.

Gakere Goromente o ntsha bontlha bongwe, motho o ntsha bontlha bongwe.
Ga gona scheme sepe se se suspended mme fela se se diragalang gompieno, re tla mo go fetseng go baakanya ISPAAD e ntšha e e tlhabologileng.

Re solofela gore re tlaa e tlisa mo setšhabeng ka June 2022.

Mr Speaker, mananeo a otlhe le LIMID e le mo teng, re a a sekaseka nako nngwe le nngwe.

Fa gongwe re thusiwa ke ba Botswana Institute for Development Policy Analysis (BIDPA) gore re dire tshekatsheko yone eo.

Ke a go leboga.

MR LESEDI: Supplementary.

Ke a leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente.


Minister, e re ntswa le fa o arabile, a mme gone o dumela gore dipalo tse di tserweng ke ba LIMID go ya ka wena mo dingwageng tse as compared to mo go tse tsa ISPAAD, a o bona di kgotsofatsa?

Ke dumela gore go yeng ka nna palo e e kwa tlase, bogolo jang fa o tsaya constituency e tshwana le ya Serowe South.

Ga se mo o ka bong o e tla o bua ka dipalo tsa bo 1 le bo 13.

A o dumela gore palo e e lekane rraetsho kana e kwa tlase?

Ke a leboga.
Ke a leboga.

MR SPEAKER: A o a kgotsofala Motlotlegi Rraetsho Tona?

MR MOLEBATSI: Ke a leboga motlotlegi.

Ga ke kgotsofale.

Fa go ne go ya ka rona re le lephata, re ka bo re ntsha bontsi jo bo fetang jo.

Fa gongwe re a bo re tla re kgangwa ke resources ka gore re tshwanetse gore re dire dilo tse di boammaaruri, re se ka ra solofetsa dilo tse di re fetileng, re ka tloga ra ikgama.

Go ya ka rona re ka bo re dira go feta fa, mathata ke resources.

MR MATHOOTHE: Supplementary.

Thank you Mr Speaker.


Ke botse Tona gore a mo bogompienong ka fa tlase ga lephata la LIMID gone kwa Serowe, a ba letlelela go amogela applications tse dišha?

Ke re yone eo a e tlhalose ka gore go na le dipego tsa gore fa 1 Hansard No 205Friday 18th March, 2022QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER bangwe ba re ba a isa ba bolelelwa gore madi a santse a seyo.

Ke re yone eo a e tlhatswe ba utlwe gore a di ntse di a amogelwa.

Thank you sir.

MR SPEAKER: O ka e tlhatswa Motlotlegi Rraetsho Tona.
MR MOLEBATSI: Ke kopa gore through you Mr Speaker, ke tle ke fiwe sebaka sa gore ke tlhomamise, ke se ka ka fa motlotlegi karabo e e leng gore gongwe ga ke na bosupi ka yone, gore a mme kwa Serowe ba ntse ba a fiwa.

Mme rra go a diragala gore fa dikopo di setse di le dintsi re se na ditlamelo re etle re emise gore, nnyaa namang le eme.

Ke kopa gore ke tle ke go tlhomamisetse, ke go fe karabo fa o ntetlelela motlotlegi.

MR LESEDI: Ke a go letlelela motlotlegi.

MR MOLEBATSI: Ke a go leboga.


MR SPEAKER: Thank you Honourable Minister.

Honourable Thiite, Honourable Member for Ghanzi North.

MR THIITE: Mr Speaker, the Honourable Minister a re maranyane a gagwe a a gana.

So o ne a kopa gore you could ask the next question and perhaps come back to him fa a sena go nna a kgona go tsena mo maranyaneng.

MR SPEAKER: Thank you Honourable Member.

Honourable Member for Ghanzi South.


PLANS TO BUILD NEW POLICE STATIONS MR M. G. J. MOTSAMAI (GHANZI SOUTH): asked the Minister of Defence, Justice and Security if he has plans to build new police stations in Ncojane, Kalkfontein and Ghanzi; and if so, to indicate timelines.

MINISTER OF DEFENCE, JUSTICE AND SECURITY (MR MMUSI): Thank you Mr Speaker, o a nkutlwa Mr Speaker?

MR SPEAKER: Ke a go utlwa Tshwene, o bo o tsholetsa dinao.

MR MMUSI: Tanki Rotwe.


Mr Speaker, during the National Development Plan (NDP) 11 2022/2021 and 2021/2022 there were plans to construct police stations in Ghanzi with 30 staff houses and Kalkfontein with 26 staff houses, but due to budgetary constraints, planned projects were deferred, there were no plans to construct a police station in Ncojane.
As I have already indicated, due to budgetary constraints, only Ghanzi police station with 50 staff houses has been prioritised for inclusion in the National Development Plan 12 due to reprioritisation within the limited budget.

This August House will recall my response to Parliamentary question Number 569, asked by Honourable Motsamai in July 2021 highlighting that Kalkfontein will not be among police stations to be included in the National Development Plan 12.
In comparison to Kalkfontein, Ghanzi has grown significantly in terms of popularity, economic and social developments taking place in the area.

These development have realised an increase in crime levels, from 2019 to date.

The crime statistics reflect that Ghanzi has dealt with 658 cases compared to Kalkfontein with 183 reported cases.

There is also a new copper mine; Motheo Mine in Ghanzi which requires increasing policing of the township.
It is for this reason Mr Speaker, that Ghanzi police station with 50 staff houses has been prioritised for inclusion in the National Development Plan 12.

I thank you Mr Speaker.

MR MOTSAMAI: Supplementary.


Mr Speaker, ke utlwa Minister, ke mmotsa potso ya gore a o raya gore ka gore kwa Kalkfontein ga go dirwe borukutlhi, gongwe ke sone se se tlaa ba bayang ka fa mosing gore ba akanyediwe go agelwa police station ya seemo sa gompieno ka bonako, fa e re a bua, a bo a bua gore, ya Ghanzi re ya go e aga ka gore borukutlhi bo bontsi go nna jaana le jaana?
Potso ya bobedi Mr Speaker ke re Minister, ka seemo sa police stations tse tsotlhe le tota ya Ghanzi, a o itse gore nako e ntsi e ntse e re fa the officers ba tswa mo tseleng le batla go ba kgalema, le ba kgalema ka go ba isa kwa Ghanzi, Kalkfontein le Ncojane, ka gore le itse gore koo ditsompelo ga di yo, le matlwana a boiteketso tota?

Mapodise ba felela ba tlogela matlo a bone ba ya go kopa go dirisa matlwana kwa Charge office.
A o itse gore seemo se sa mapodise a Ncojane, Kalkfontein le Ghanzi ke seemo se se ngomolang pelo?

Ya bofelo Mr Speaker, ke batla go itse Tona gore fa e le gore ga o ye go aga police station kwa Kalkfontein le Ncojane…well thanks o ya go aga kwa Ghanzi, a ga o na maakanya a gore mme seemo se badiredi ba sepodise ba direlang teng o se beye mo seemong se se kgatlhang?

Ba se ka ba nna jaaka o kare jaanong ke bone dirukutlhi, ka fa bonno jwa bone bo supang ka teng.

Ke a leboga.
Ke a leboga.

MR MMUSI: Mr Speaker, ke utlwa Mopalamente Motsamai sentle fela thata, mme rraetsho re ikaelela gore mongwe le mongwe yo e leng lepodise a nne mo bonnong jo bo siameng.

Ga se maikaelelo a rona gore 2 Hansard No 205Friday 18th March, 2022QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER re ka dirisa gore manno kana fa go berekelwang teng go se ka ga nna sentle, mme e bile le bone ba ga rona ba maintenance ba tsweletse rraetsho ka plan ya gore ba tlaabo ba ntse ba ya to maintain buildings tse di kwa tlase.
Mapodise ke batho ba botlhokwa thata, ba re tshwanetseng go ba tlhokomela ka nako tsotlhe.

Ya gore re isa batho kwa Ghanzi ka gore a bo gongwe e le gore they are punished, nnyaa rraetsho ke dumela gore kwa Ghanzi le gone go na le batho, batho ba ba tshwanetseng go tlhokomelwa, re ise bodiredi jo bo kwa Ghanzi… jaaka o utlwa ke go raya ke re ke motse o o golang, o tloga o nna toropo, le moepo o motona.
So ga re ka ke ra isa batho teng ka gore re batla to punish them, re isa batho ba ba nang le boleng, ba ba yang go bereka.

Ke a leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente.

MR SPEAKER: Thank you Minister.

Honourable Member for Francistown South.

MR MOTSAMAI: Supplementary Mr Speaker, asseblief.

MR SPEAKER: Nako e re siile motlotlegi.

Honourable Motsamai, Ke tlaa kopa Motlotlegi rraetsho Tona to share with you karabo e. As per Standing Order 38.4 please.

Honourable Member for Francistown South.


MR MMOLOTSI: Mr Speaker, Minister Molale is not ready with the answer.

UNOCCUPIED GOVERNMENT HOUSES IN FRANCISTOWN MR MANGWEGAPE-HEALY: Thank you Mr Speaker.

Good morning, potso ya bosupa.

MR SPEAKER: Motlotlegi rraarona, Tona wa tsa dipalamo le ditlhaeletsano.

…Silence… MR SPEAKER: Honourable Minister Thulagano Segokgo, Rraagwe Tsholo!
…Silence… TRANSFERS FROM DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURAL RESEARCH STATISTICS AND POLICY DEVELOPMENT MR O. RAMOGAPI (PALAPYE): asked the Minister of Agricultural Development and Food Security: (i) if he is aware that the Department of Agricultural Research Statistics and Policy Development has transferred all its district staff to headquarters, which is against the Government policy of decentralisation; if so, (ii) how will the department execute its mandate of collecting data on livestock and crop products as well as doing monitoring and evaluation on the agricultural sector at district level, especially in the greater Palapye area; (iii) if he is aware of population congestion and the acute shortage of accommodation in Gaborone; if so, (iv) why the ministry opted to centralise officers in Gaborone instead of decentralising to districts for effective service delivery as per the Budget Speech of this financial year.
MR W. B. MMOLOTSI (FRANCISTOWN SOUTH): asked the Minister of Infrastructure and Housing Development: ASSISTANT MINISTER OF AGRICULTURAL DEVELOPMENT AND FOOD SECURITY (MR MOLEBATSI): Mr Speaker, (i) how many Government buildings have been left unoccupied in Francistown in the last five years; and (ii) where these properties are located in Francistown and why they have been neglected for such a long time.

Later Date.

MR SPEAKER: Honourable Member for Mahalapye East.


HONOURABLE MEMBER: Mr Speaker, I will hold it for Honourable Boko.

Thank you.

MR SPEAKER: At a later Mopalamente wa Gaborone Legare.

time.

Motlotlegi (i) I am aware that the Department of Agricultural Research, Statistics and Policy Development (DARSPD) has, effective from 1st April 2021, transferred all its staff from the districts to headquarters after critical considerations and engaments with the affected officers... MR SPEAKER: Order!
Ema pele, Honourable Minister I am not very happy with your gadget, ga e utlwale gotlhele.

Leka go atumela fa microphone Honourable Minister.

Kopa bana ba gago ba go baakanyetse; mo Palamenteng we are very clear.

Just try again Minister.

MR MOLEBATSI: Thank you Mr Speaker.

I am going to be very fast.

O a nkutlwa jaanong?

MR SPEAKER: Yes sir.

3 Hansard No 205Friday 18th March, 2022QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER MR MOLEBATSI: Okay.

Thank you.
Thank you.

I am aware that the Department of Agricultural Research, Statistics and Policy Development (DARSPD) has effective from 1st April 2021, transferred all its staff from the districts to headquarters after critical considerations and engagements with the affected officers.

Indeed the policy of Government is to decentralise service delivery.
In the case of the DARSPD, the transfer to headquarters was meant to improve working conditions, accountability and ultimately the overall efficiency of the data collection process by the department.

It was also meant to improve coverage and presence of the department, given that the department only managed to place officers in six districts.
(ii) The department continues to execute its mandate of collecting data on livestock and crop products, as well as monitoring and evaluation of the agricultural plots.

Mr Speaker, ga re bone golo mo go amile tiro ya bone.

(iii) Regarding office space, I wish to confirm to you Mr Speaker, that before transferring these officers, adequate office space was secured for all of them.

It has been possible to secure some offices from the two main ministry buildings fale fa station.
The DARSPD has also been provided with three caravans which are fully airconditioned and have the necessary amenities to ensure their officers are not crowded for COVID-19.

Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

MR SPEAKER: Thank you Honourable Minister.

Honourable Minister, before you run away; bagakolodi ba me ba re ke go kope o time video gore gongwe go ka tsamaya sentle.

MR RAMOGAPI: Supplementary.

Mr Speaker, ke a go leboga, tla ke go leboge Tona ka karabo ya gago le fa tota o sa bue sepe fela se se tlhapileng.
Selo santlha ke buile ka kgang ya Decentralisation Policy e Goromente a tswang kgakala ka yone mme o e shankodisa fela.

Ga o utlwale gotlhelele gore a tota when people had been decentralised, le bo le ba tsaya gape le tla le ba baya mo headquarters, gone moo o bo o bona fela go siame Honourable Minister?

Ga o utlwale gotlhelele, ga ke itse gore a wena o ikutlwile.

Gape ke go botse Tona gore a mme o a itse gore ka nako e re buang ka yone e, babereki ba ba bereka ba tswa gone fa?

Thakaa!
Thakaa!

Jaanong ba a bo ba dirile jang maDomkrag, kana ba timile.

MR SPEAKER: Nnyaa, o a utlwala.

Tswa mo ditsheleng, o a utlwala.

MR RAMOGAPI: Hei!

Ke mathata.

HONOURABLE MEMBERS: O ya kae jaanong Ramogapi?

HONOURABLE MEMBER: O tshabile potso.

HONOURABLE MEMBERS: ...(Murmurs)... MR SPEAKER: Honourable Ramogapi, o a utlwala.

MR RAMOGAPI: Ba tla ba tima.

Go siame, go ne go timile.

MR SPEAKER: Nnyaa, o a utlwala.


MR RAMOGAPI: Ke ne ke santse ke tshwere kgang ya gore a mme Tona o a itse gore ka nako e re buang ka yone e, babereki ba ba ntshitsweng kwa dikgaolong ba bereka ba tswa gone fa ba ya kwa dikgaolong tse ba tswang kwa go tsone gape?

Tona, a o itse se se diragalang se?

Sa bobedi; Tona, ka gore selo se se a diragala, wa reng ka ditshenyegelo tse e leng gore...

...Silence...

MR SPEAKER: Honourable Ramogapi.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Go tla go timanyana.


MR SPEAKER: We apologise for the network problem.

MR RAMOGAPI: Ba tla ba tima maDomkrag ba.

Ke a utlwala Mr Speaker?

MR SPEAKER: Yes sir.

MR RAMOGAPI: Let me pause here ka gore ba tla ba tima, jaanong ba ntlhakatlhakanyetsa lenaneo.

MR SPEAKER: Thank you Honourable Member.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Wa re go tima bomang Ramogapi?

MR RAMOGAPI: MaDomkrag.

MR MOLEBATSI: Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

Ya ntlha... HONOURABLE MEMBERS: ...(Murmurs)... MR SPEAKER: Order!

Order!
Order!

Re batla go utlwa Minister.

4 Hansard No 205Friday 18th March, 2022QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER MR MOLEBATSI: Ke a go leboga Mr Speaker.

Potso ya ntlha ya ga Rre Ramogapi; se o neng o se bua ke gore o kare wa re re baitimokanyi, ra re Decentralisation Policy mme re bo re nna re tsaya batho re ba busetsa kwa Gaborone.

Ke tseela gore o ne o rialo.


Honourable Ramogapi, go na le ditirelo dingwe tse fa gongwe e tlaa re go ntse go na le Decentralisation Policy, di tlaa dirang fale le fale, re nne re ya go kopa gore batho ba berekele gongwe gaufi le kwa headquarters, e le the technicality ya ditirelo tsa bone.

Ke dumalana le wena gore fa ba le kwa, ga go reye gore janaong ga ba na go tlhola ba boela kwa dikgaolong ba ya go tlhola ka gore tiro ya teng e amana le dikgaolo.
Ke dumalana le wena gore go nna le expenses tse dingwe gore ba ye koo mme tota ga gona gore re ka reng.

Ke gone fela gore ba tshwanetse go atumela headquarters le ditlamelo dingwe tse e leng gore kwa dikgaolong, gongwe gompieno ga re ka ke ra kgona go di isa.

Ya bobedi ke efe, o ne o kgaoga kana?

MR RAMOGAPI: Ya bobedi ke ne ke re are you aware gore golo mo go tlisa ditshenyegelo tse di seng kana ka sepe mo Pusong ya rona?
E bile gape o ikaelela go dira eng ka se ka gore Mme Mma Serame o ne a re re leke go ipofa ka lebante, re se ka ra senyegelwa thata?

Le botsogo jwa babereki gore ba bo ba nna ba tsamaya ba tswa mo Gaborone, ba tsamaya as far as Ghanzi, ba bo ba boa ba tla kwano ka gore gompieno jaana ba bereka ba tswa gone mo Gaborone ba ya kwa stations tse o ba tsereng kwa go tsone Tona.

MR SPEAKER: You have made your point.

MR MOLEBATSI: Ke a go leboga.


Jaaka ke setse ke buile jaana, re a bo re dirile tshekatsheko ka batho ba o buang ka bone ka gore ke ba ba technical.

Re dirile tshekatsheko ya gore gore re ba beye kwa dikgaolong go nna ba tla kwano kwa headquarters to collate data, ba baakanya information eo, go na le gore ba nne gone mo ba bo ba ya kwa; ke eng se se re berekelang?
Ditshekatsheko di ne di supa gore go botoka gore ba nne kwano, ba bo ba tsamaya ba nna ba boela kwa dikgaolong kgapetsakgapetsa go lebelela, ba bo boela kwano ba tla go kopana ba baakanya sone se ba se tsayang kwa dikgaolong.

Laboratories (labs) rra di ka kwano, data centres tse re di tlhokang for tiro ya bone di mo Gaborone mme go tlhokafala gore ba nne gaufi le tsone ka kwano.

Ke a go leboga Rre Ramogapi.
EXPANSION OF KUTLWANO JUNIOR SECONDARY SCHOOL MR P. MAJAGA (NATA-GWETA): asked the Minister of Basic Education about the future of Kutlwano Junior Secondary School in terms of its expansion from 12 stream to 14 stream; he should further state: (i) if there is any provision of a boarding facility to cater for students from neighbouring villages such as Zoroga and Tsokatshaa, instead of them being admitted at Nxakato Junior Secondary School in Sowa Town; (ii) maintenance plans since it is long overdue; and (iii) if he is aware that teachers stay in asbetos houses and that is demoralising them and it is also a health hazard.
ACTING MINISTER OF BASIC EDUCATION (MR LESASO): Thank you Mr Speaker.

I admit that Kutlwano Junior Secondary School is operating above its capacity.

My ministry has awarded a contract for the erection of two prefabricated classrooms to ameliorate the situation.

Any further expansion of the school will be considered under National Development Plan (NDP) 12.
(i) Mr Speaker, currently there is no plan to provide a boarding facility to cater for students from neighbouring villages such as Zoroga and Tsokatshaa in Kutlwano Junior Secondary School as they are provided for at Nxakato in Sua Town, and Sua Junior Secondary School in Nata.

My ministry will make proposals under NDP 12 for additional boarding facilities and Kutlwano will also be considered.
(ii) Mr Speaker, Kutlwano Junior Secondary School is not currently scheduled for maintenance, however funds are disbursed on an annual basis to the school for basic maintenance as funds permit.

For the 2021/2022 financial year, their budget for maintenance was P139,569.33, of which they have spent P110,065.75.

Kutlwano will be considered under NDP 12 for cyclic maintenance.

(iii) Mr Speaker, I am aware that some teachers in Kutlwano Junior Secondary School stay in asbestos houses.
My ministry has engaged the Botswana Bureau of Standards (BOBS) to test samples from the staff houses and three tested positive.

BOBS is currently assessing the magnitude of this problem so that we can engage a contractor to safely remove the asbestos.

The ministry has recommended to 5 Hansard No 205Friday 18th March, 2022QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER the school that houses which have tested positive, should not be utilised.

Thank you, and thank you Honourable Member.

MR MAJAGA: Supplementary Mr Speaker.


Ke a go leboga Mr Speaker, ke a go leboga Tona.

O e arabile, mme ga go wele Mr Speaker.

Kana kgang e, o e araba ka fa le kwadileng ka teng, kana ka fa ba ba le kwalelang, ba ba a bong ba re ba itse dilo tse, mme ga ba rulaganye sentle.
Bontsi jwa dilo tse o neng o di araba, like mantlo a asbestos, le wena fela o le Tona jaana e bile o le new from the box, o ka bona fela gore go na le mantlo a asbestos a a sa ntseng a nniwa ke batho fela mo lefatsheng la Botswana, mme fela a bonwa kwa junior school ya Gweta mo nakong ya gompieno; mo morutabaneng wa secondary le gone?

Jaanong ke ne ke re kgang e jaaka o e araba o re a mangwe tested positive, there is no need to test mantlo, re sale re kopile.
Bo Arone, bo Kwerepe... MR SPEAKER: Mmotse potso.

MR MAJAGA: Nnyaa, ke a botsa.

Bo Arone, bo Kwerepe, ba tlogetswe go ntse go ntse jaana, jaanong rona re batla gore mantlo a ye go ntshiwa.

Botoka le se ka la re go na le mantlo le balela gore go na le teachers’ quarters, mantlo a a sa bolong go swa a asbestos a a tsenyang bana ba Batswana bolwetse.

Tona, let those houses be faced out.


Ya bobedi ke gore, ke utlwa o bua gore there is no maintenance ya sekole sa Kutlwano se se mo Gweta, ka lenaneo la Economic Stimulus Programme (ESP), Kutlwano, Dukwi CJSS le bo Sowa tsotlhe di ne di tsentswe mo this maintenance, jaanong sa Kutlwano se ntshitswe ke eng?
Ya bofelo, gongwe ke kope wena ka gore batho ba tshaba go ya kwa sekolong seo, kana ba tshaba one mantlo a a asbestos, ke raya Matona otlhe a ke ntseng ke a bala; le Motlotlegi Mma Makwinja tota o paletswe e le motho wa mme.

Ke ne ke re gongwe wena ka rra o kwa lephateng la gago, gongwe o tle go nthusa, o ke o ye gone kwa go bona sekole sone seo, gongwe ke gone e tlaa reng o tswa gone koo, o ba bolelele.

Kana fa motho a bua o sa bona, fa gongwe ga go nke go nna gone.
Ke a leboga Mr Speaker, ke a go leboga Tona.

MR LESASO: Nte ke go leboge gape Tona Majaga.

Ke re nnyaa mme ke utlwa matshwenyego a gago ka asbestos mo dikoleng, tota ke boammaaruri dikole tse di ne di tshwanetse gore especially fa go supileng gore ba BoBS ba rile mantlo a a supafala gore asbestos e teng ke e go ka sekeng ga nna batho, ba tshwanetse gore ba bo ba dule.
Dikgato di teng tse di tsweletseng tsa gore barutabana ba ntshiwe mo mantlong ao, ba batlelwe fa ba ka nnang teng fa go siameng, fa go sireletsegileng.

Ya bobedi ya gore sekole sa Kutlwano se ntshitswe mo ESP, ga ke itse go ntse jalo, ke ka tla ka botsa ba ba maleba Tona.
Fela gompieno se ke se itseng ke gore, go na le madi a a ntshiwang jaaka ke ne ke a bua up to P140 000 a e leng gore a ntshetswa sekole seo gore ba dire maintenance e e minimal e e leng gore ba ka kgona gore ba thusege fa ba santse ba emetse gore re ye go ba fa madi a a lekaneng ka National Development Plan (NDP) 12.

Ke amogela taletso ya gago Tona, ke nngwe ya dilo tse ke tlaa go etela le nna ke ya go bona gore ga twe go ntse jang gone kwa Kutlwano.

Ke a leboga.
Ke a leboga.

MR MAJAGA: Ke ka leboga thata Motlotlegi Lesaso.

SEWAGE SYSTEM IN MMADINARE SSS MR K. NKAWANA (SELEBI PHIKWE EAST): asked the Minister of Basic Education if he is aware of the sewage system in and around Mmadinare Senior Secondary school that has been leaking and causing all forms of pollution and exposing students and staff to potential health hazards; if so, to state: (i) when the ministry intends to remedy the situation; and (ii) if there are plans to fix the sewage system.
ACTING MINISTER OF BASIC EDUCATION (MR LESASO): Thank you Mr Speaker.

I am aware that the sewage system in and around Mmadinare Senior Secondary was leaking and causing pollution.

(i) The sewage leakage was repaired in August 2021 through the construction of a temporary bypass around a non-functioning macerator.

Currently, there is neither leakage nor pollution of the environment.
(ii) A works contract for replacement of the failed macerator has been awarded to a company but due to some technical issues the company has so far failed to supply the correct replacement.

The company has appealed to the District Tender Committee (DATC) for price adjustment and we await for their ruling.

The ministry hopes that the company will be in a position to supply the new macerator as a matter of urgency.

Thank you Mr Speaker.


6 Hansard No 205Friday 18th March, 2022QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER MR NKAWANA: Mr Speaker, kana Tona o na le go re solofetsa, mme go sena sepe se se leng tangible.

Ke ne ke re a re beye mo dinakong, a re fe timelines gore sentlentle fela o solofela gore ka malatsi afe tiro e e tlaa bo e dirilwe, a se ka a re bolelela dilo tse a di akanyetsang?

MR SPEAKER: What are your timelines Honourable Minister?

MR LESASO: ...(Inaudible)... MR SPEAKER: Ke mang ne?
Honourable Minister, ke tlaa kgalemela Dr Tshabang.

MR LESASO: Thank you Mr Speaker, thank you Honourable Nkawana, ke raya gore fa ke bua ke re go ne go nnile le kopo ya the DATC to adjust price to accommodate the request ya company e e tshwanetseng gore e tsenye macerator o, go raya gore ke golo mo re go solofetseng the beginning of this coming financial year gore go kgone gore go baakanngwe.

Ke a leboga sir.
Ke a leboga sir.

WHISTLEBLOWING ACT K. DR (SEFHARE- GOBOTSWANG RAMOKGONAMI): asked the Minister for Presidential Affairs, Governance and Public Administration to update this Honourable House on the success and shortcomings in implementing the Whistleblowing Act of 2016 and to state: substantially true.

Further, protection for a whistle blower will effect only if such a disclosure is made to an authorised person in terms of the Act.
(a) Since the inception of the Whistleblowing Act in 2016 its implementation has been with successes and challenges.

(b) Of note, the successes are that the Act has improved on inter agencies cooperation between Government departments and stakeholders.

The Act has also seen most agencies and stakeholders creating and implementing internal whistleblowing policies so as to give effect to the Act in its organisations.
(c) Despite the successes, the observed challenges are that although the Act’s application could be extended to private enterprises, the scope is limited in its application.

Briefly, the Act focuses more on public enterprises as opposed to private enterprises.

(d) The Act does not protect anonymous reporters.

These challenges have prompted a move by the Authorised persons as per the Whistleblowing Act to seek an amendment of the Act and address the identified challenges adequately.
(ii) Mr Speaker, the DCEC has received 934 reports from whistle blowers since the inception of the law.

(i) the number of reports that have been received from whistleblowers since the law became operational; (ii) the number of reports that were found worthy of further investigation; and (iii) Mr Speaker, of the 934 reports received, only 284 reports were classified for investigation.

The remainder of these accounts for either closures, referrals to other departments and/or developments.
(iii) how many cases were tried and ended with a conviction.

ASSISTANT MINISTER FOR PRESIDENTIAL AFFAIRS, GOVERNANCE AND PUBLIC ADMINISTRATION (MR MTHIMKHULU): Thank you Mr Speaker.

(i) Generally, the Directorate on Corruption and Economic Crime (DCEC) receives reports from known and unknown sources.

The Act defines a “Whistle blower” as a person who makes a disclosure of impropriety that is protected in terms of the Act.
A Whistle blower is thus someone who in good faith, reasonably believes that the disclosure and an allegation of impropriety is (iv) Speaker, the Whistleblowing Act is an Act that requires implementation from eight institutions which are referred to as authorized persons under Section 8 of the Whistleblowing Act.

It is therefore, pertinent that in order for this question to be adequately answered all the Section 8 institutions need to account.
The DCEC is not a centralized point where statistics relevant to the Act are kept.

Other relevant organisations are the Botswana Police Service (BPS), Botswana Defence Force (BDF), Botswana Unified Revenue Service (BURS), Financial Intelligence Agency (FIA), Competition and Consumer Authority (CCA), Directorate of Intelligence and Security (DIS), Botswana Prisons Service, the Ombudsman and 7 Hansard No 205Friday 18th March, 2022QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER the Auditor General.
The sole presentation of statistics from the Directorate on Corruption and Economic Crime (DCEC) would therefore not be a true reflection of what obtains in Botswana.

I thank you Mr Speaker.

Gore ke ka go fa nako gompieno, nnyaa, ke ka se ke ke go fe nako ka gore ke selo se se tlaa tla se tla, se bo se tsamaya fela ka tshwanelo e e tshwanetseng gore se tsamaye ka yone, ka fa melao e dirwang ka teng.

DR GOBOTSWANG: Supplementary.


Mr Speaker, kana e a bo e ne e rile go buiwa gotwe ga o ka ke wa dira molao wa gore malomatsebe ba lome tsebe, e bo e re o sena go nna o dira jalo, o bo baya sesana fa pele ga bone gore yo o tlaabong a ntshitse pego e gongwe go ka fitlhelwang e se ya boammaaruri jalojalo, o tlaa tseelwa dikgato, sone seo ke sone se tota le mo... MR SPEAKER: Mmotse potso motlotlegi.

DR GOBOTSWANG: …liabilities le sone se ya go nna le mathata.
Jaanong ke ne ke re, ka gore le lemogile gore go na le bothata, wa re le ya go baakanya molao, le ya go o baakanya leng, maikaelelo a gago ke gore paakanyo ya molao oo e tlaa goroga mo Palamenteng leng?

Potso ya bobedi ke gore, wa re go thatanyana gore o ka bona gore mme information ya ba ba setseng ba kile ba leka go loma tsebe, go nna thatanyana ka gore ba loma tsebe mo maphateng a a farologaneng.
Jaanong le dira eng go bona gore go nna le tomagano le tsamaiso e gompieno jaaka re re re mo knowledge-based economy, Fourth Industrial Revolution (4IR), le dira eng fela go bona gore information eo e ka lomaganngwa, e e leng gore you can press button fela e bo e tswela kwa ntle Mr Speaker?

MR MTHIMKHULU: Thank you Mr Speaker.


Honourable Gobotswang, ke bue fela ke re kana molao fa o sena go dirwa, o a diragadiwa (implemented), e bile e le molao o mosha mo lefatsheng, there will always be challenges which would be identified and ka tsamao ya nako molao, o a bo o ntse o improve gore o nne more effective.
Mo karabong e, re bone go tshwanela gore re supe gore in the implementation ya yone Act eo, there were problems that were encountered, tse di bonweng ke tsone agencies tse go buiwang ka tsone, or authorised persons, bone batho ba reports di isiwang kwa go bone.

Jaanong ke bone ba boneng gore there is this problem e e ka tswang e le a stumbling block, e mo tsamaong ya nako e tlaa baakanngwang.
Jaaka re bua jaana, ke a go solofetsa gore ka gore ke selo se ba se supileng gore se a ba kgoreletsa, jaaka melao yotlhe e e dirwang mo Botswana, e tlaa tsamaya through the process ya go dira molao o, go fitlhelela o tla fa pele ga Palamente, le bo le tla le kgona gore le o debate.
Ya bobedi ya gore batho ba, different institutions gore go nne le… kana jaanong ka fa o buang ka teng, o batla gore go nne le a centralised point, mo e leng gore kwa di gorogelang teng, di ya go tla go supa gore batho ba begile ba le kae.

Tota moo, go ka tswa e le selo se se siameng gore se ka dirwa, le nna ke ka rotloetsa gore se dirwe, mme kana mathata gongwe e ka tswa e le gore ka bo gone go dira jalo, go tlaabo jaanong go baya bone the whistle-blowers ka fa mosing.
Kana batho ba ba lomang tsebe, ga ba batle go ntshiwa ka leso legolo fa ba bega.

Ba batla gore dilo tsa bone e re fa ba bega, ba itse gore ba tlaa sireletsega go ya kwa pele.

Gongwe se o se batlang, ke sone se se ka tswang se sa ba siamela go ya kwa pele, gore e bo re fa ba sena go bega, go bo go ya to a centralised point, ba kgona gore ba expose ene motho yoo.
Ga se gore gongwe fa o batla dipalo tsotlhe o ka tsamaya kwa different agencies, authorised persons, o batla gore ba bone reports tse di from whistle- blowers, ke dumela gore ba ka di go neela e se mathata Rre Gobotswang, fela jaaka tsa rona re go di neetse tsa DCEC tsa 934 reports.

I thank you Mr Speaker.

MR KEORAPETSE: Further supplementary.


Is the Minister aware gore the concerns tse di raised from potso ya ga Honourable Gobotswang, were raised fa Molao- kakanyetso o o tla ka Rre Molefhi mo Palamenteng ya bolesome le bongwe?
Sa bobedi, a o a lemoga gore e rile fa Rre Kwerepe a araba potso e e tshwanang le ya ga Honourable Gobotswang, o ne a gana gore molao o ga o a nna sentle mo provision ya gore malomatsebe ba ipolele, mme e bile gape re mo tlhalosetsa gore o contradict Act e nngwe ya Corruption and Economic Crime Act, which protects informers.
Jaanong Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, is the Minister aware of all these things, le gore tota mme ka gore this is a very, very small amendment, why a ka se ka a commit to a time, gape a re tlhalosetse gore are they already drafting amendment to this Act.

Ke a leboga.

MR MTHIMKHULU: Ke lebogile Mr Speaker.

Honourable Keorapetse, kana nako ya fa molao o o dirwa, Palamente at the time, go ne go na le ka fa e akanyang ka teng.
Every time the law is brought to Parliament, there is a mischief that is sought to be addressed by a law, o a itse.

Ke dumela gore o itse fela thata.


If what Parliament intended at the time, cannot 8 Hansard No 205Friday 18th March, 2022QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER be achieved through the law that has been passed, go siame, e bile gape ga go senye sepe gore dikakanyo tse di neng di tlisitswe mo Palamenteng ya teng ya bogologolo, ke ba bangwe, ba ba neng ba akanya gore go ka dirwa ka tsela e nngwe, kana molao o fetisiwa ke Palamente, because it is passed as an Act of Parliament, ke ya rona rotlhe.
Fa e le gore bangwe ba ne ba akantse ka tsela e sele e e leng gore those concerns tse ba neng ba di raise at the time, before the law wa passed or became an Act of Parliament, those are the concerns that are being raised now even by the agencies that you are talking about, who are authorised persons.
Ke gone go supang gore jaanong ee, gongwe bale nako ya fa ba bua mo Palamenteng, ba ne ba bua sengwe se se ka reediwang, that is why this implementing agencies ba supa gore molao o o ka bo o dirilwe ka tsela e, re kopa gore mo go sutisiwe and we are acknowledging that, that should be changed because they are saying that it is an impediment.

I thank you Mr Speaker.

MINISTER OF INVESTMENT, TRADE AND (MR KGAFELA): Procedure.

Mr INDUSTRY Speaker, I am pleased to inform you that I am back.
I managed to connect to Parliament, Question 3 was skipped.

I am available to answer it Mr Speaker.

Thank you.

MR SPEAKER: Re a leboga Mokgatla.

Fa nako e ka re letla.
BOTSWANA PUBLIC OFFICERS PENSION FUND I. MOSWAANE MR M. (FRANCISTOWN WEST): asked the Minister of Finance and Economic Development to state: (i) whether she is aware that Botswana Public Officers Pension Fund (BPOPF) is always investing pensions to make profits; (ii) the processes followed by BPOPF after a successful investment is made; (iii) how that benefits pensioners whose monies are used to make the investments; (iv) how much was invested from the funds in the last five years; (v) how much was invested through projects and loans; and (vi) how much was realised.
MINISTER OF FINANCE AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT (MS SERAME): Thank you Mr Speaker, good morning.

Mr Speaker, (i) I am aware that Botswana Public Officers Pension Fund (BPOPF), like other Pension Funds invests in different asset classes, within the parameters set by the pension laws, such as the Retirement Funds Act, 2014 and its Regulations together with the Non-Bank Financial Institutions Regulatory Authority (NBFIRA) Pension Funds Investment Rules (PFR2) to earn a positive return (profit).
However, it is worth noting, that, Pension Funds in Botswana are occupational, that is, they are schemes where employees and/or employers make regular contributions into a pool of funds, which are then invested to earn a return (profit) for the members (employees) only and not for the employers.
(ii) Mr Speaker, the process followed after successful investment is informed by the Investment Policy Statements made by the Fund as required by NBFIRA Pension Funds Investment Rules, based on own risk assessment and appetite to guide the Pension Fund to financial stability taking into account the age of the members and other liabilities of the pension funds.
investment, Mr Therefore, after every successful their Speaker, BPOPF monitors performance of investments on ongoing basis until at the end of the year where investments are valued, audited and any rate of return (positive/negative) is declared and credited to the members’ accounts.

(iii) Mr Speaker, as already stated, the return (profit or loss) realised from investments is distributed to the savings of the members (employees) on an annual basis.
If the return is positive, it will augment the member’s account to ensure that there is sufficient savings to support the members at retirement.
(iv) Mr Speaker, BPOPF’s total investments across different asset classes for the past five years as at 2021 year-end, were as follows: Year 2017 2018 2019 2020 2021 Total Value Invested (P Billion) 57.9 62.2 66.3 67.0 82.5 9 Hansard No 205Friday 18th March, 2022QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER (v) Mr Speaker, in terms of how much was invested through projects and loans, Botswana Public Officers Pension Fund (BPOPF) is guided by an investment strategy of 2019-2022 which is currently under review.
In line with the strategy, as at March 2021, the Fund had invested a total of P82.5 billion as follows: Mr Speaker, it will be noted that on average, the Fund realised a 7.7 per cent growth over a five-year period, which is in line with other funds similar to the BPOPF.

I thank you Mr Speaker.

MR SPEAKER: Thank you Honourable Minister.

O laetswe supplementary Motlotlegi Hikuama?


Asset Class Market Money Securities Local Equities Offshore Equities Local Fixed Interest/ Bonds Offshore Bonds Private Equity Grand Total Value Interest/ Total Value Invested (P billion) 8,569,382,631 (8.6) 10,686,704,976 (10.7) 50,007,360,697 (50.0) 6,079,241,173 (6.0) 2,324,282,266 (2.3) 4,877,335,292 (4.9) 82,544,307,035 (82.5) Mr Speaker, Pension Funds in Botswana do not give loans, instead invest in bonds and other allowable assets.
It will be noted Mr Speaker, that, private equity at P4.9 billion makes approximately 5 per cent of the total investment portfolio for BPOPF, whilst bonds both local and offshore at P8.3 billion account for approximately 10 per cent of the BPOPF total investment portfolio.
It is also worth mentioning Mr Speaker, that in the last 20 years up to December 2021, the value of the BPOPF assets has grown from P1.9 billion to P91.8 billion on account of monthly contributions and the financial performance of the investments.
(vi) Mr Speaker, for the past five years, BPOPF portfolio recorded the following returns in Pula terms: Year 2017 2018 2019 2020 2021 Rate of Return (percent) 4.7 2.4 9.2 -1 23.2 Mr Speaker, over the past five years, the Fund has performed well, and investments have been mainly in diversified markets and products.

However, in the year 2020, the portfolio realised negative returns on investment mainly due to the high volatility and low returns in the global capital markets, due to COVID-19 pandemic.
10 MR HIKUAMA: Supplementary.

Ke tsaya gore it was unfortunate go mpotsa gore ke laetswe supplementary.

Supplementary is open to everybody.

Mma ke tswelele ke botse Tona, a ko o ipoeletse mo go ya (iii); ga ke a utlwa sentle gore wa re maloko a akola jang profit tsa investments?

O e boeletse ka Setswana re tle re utlwe sentle.

Batho ba ba reeditseng, beng ba pension, ba utlwe gore they benefit jang mo investment ya pensions tsa bone?
Ya bobedi, o ntlhalosetse gore fa batho ba setse ba tsaya pension, ba bona jang ka gore go lebega e kete salary ya bone e ba e tsayang kgwedi le kgwedi ga e fetoge?

O bona jang gore investment e na le seabe mo go se ba se tsayang?

The last one, a ga le bone gore go enough, nako e gorogile ya gore go akanngwe gore the pensioners can cash kana ba fiwa loans against their pension?
A nako ga e ise e goroge ya go sekaseka melao le ditsamaiso tsa gore ba kgone go tsaya loans le tsotlhe tse ba ka di akolang ba santse ba tshedile?

Ke a leboga.

MS SERAME: Mr Speaker, gatwe ke arabe ka Setswana, so, I will try my level best.

I will share tse dingwe le honourable gore a kgone go di bala nako e le teng.
Jaaka ke ne ke tlhalosa kwa go e a reng batho ba bona jang dipoelo tsa bone, ke ne ke tlhalosa gore ba BPOPF ba a lebelela and monitor, if I can put it like that, during the year gore investments tseo di dira jang.

Fa e le gore go na le madi a a fetang a ba neng ba a solofetse, ke e beye jalo, fa e le gore ke bua Setswana sentle, ba ya go lebelela, a bo a tsena kwa members’account.

Ba lebelela gore na le madi a a enough.


Ngwaga fa e sena go fela, ba lebelela gore performance e nnile jang, ba boetswe ke bokae, e bile go le audited, ke gone a bo a tsenngwa kwa members’account.

Ke kopa gore ke e tseye ka bokhutshwane e nngwe e o neng o e bua.

Ke ne ke tlhalosa gore currently, ga ba ntshe loans.
Ke kile ka tlhalosa makgetho a le mmalwa mo Palamenteng gore re sekaseka molao wa rona wa Retirement Funds Act go bona gore mo diemong tse di a tleng di nne thata, jaaka ke itse gore re tlhola re bua Hansard No 205Friday 18th March, 2022QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER thata mo Palamenteng, go ka dirwa jang gore batho ba adime against their pension.

Ke batla go e tsaya jalo ka bokhutshwane Mr Speaker.

Ke tlaa go neela karabo le details tse dingwe.

Thank you.

MR MANGWEGAPE-HEALY: On a point of order.


Thank you Mr Speaker.

Maabane re letse re le fa o re balela lekwalo le o neng o re lemotsha fa Honourable Lucas e le gore he is acting on behalf of Honourable Saleshando as Leader of the Opposition (LOO).

Jaanong ke bona o kare Honourable Saleshando is also present here Mr Speaker.

O gakolole gore is the acting appointment still active kana it has fallen away?

Thank you.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ke gore tlontlokwane eo e re thusa ka eng?
HONOURABLE MEMBER: Le utlwe gore o ntse jang wa Gaborone Central.

MR SPEAKER: Order please!

Order!

The acting appointment for Honourable Lucas is not only active, it is valid, 100 per cent valid.

He is our Acting LOO.

MOTION FOR THE ADJOURNMENT- DEFINITE MATTER OF URGENT PUBLIC IMPORTANCE Government Procurement or Tenders Funded by 2022/2023 Budget Motion MR LETSHOLO (KANYE NORTH): Mr Speaker, thank you very much for this opportunity this morning.
I stand this morning in terms of Standing Order 50 asking this Honourable House to suspend its normal business of today to deal with an urgent matter that I believe is of significant national interest.

Honourable Speaker, I would like to spend the next couple of minutes just explaining why I think it is that urgent and why it is of national importance.
Honourable Speaker, that Motion reads as follows; “that this Honourable House resolves that all Government procurement or tenders that will be funded by the 2022/2023 Budget, should immediately implement the commitments set out in the Public Procurement Act and the Economic Inclusion Act recently passed by Parliament, and that all Government ministries and procurement entities be directed and obliged to report to Parliament monthly on all tenders that will be awarded pursuant to the 2022/2023 Budget on how they have taken the aforementioned legislation into consideration when awarding the tenders.” Honourable Speaker, in the year 2021, Parliament passed the Economic Inclusion Act and the Public Procurement Act.
The Public Procurement Act sets out requirements and conditions for reservation and preferential treatment of citizen contractors and public procurement.

The Economic Inclusion Act promotes the effective participation of targeted citizens in the economic growth and development of the … MR HIKUAMA: On a point of procedure.

Mr Speaker, ga ke tlhaloganye, o ka ntlhalosetsa gore a Mopalamente o simolotse to debate Motion kana o santse a kopa?

Ke utlwa e kete o tseneletse, o supa mabaka a Motion.
MR SPEAKER: You have made your point Honourable Hikuama.

Ka language ya rona ya Palamente o santse a ala, o santse a leka go itlhalosa.

Fa a fetsa go itlhalosa, ke ya go supa ba le babedi ba ba dumalanang le ene le ba le babedi ba ba gananang le ene.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Go na le nako mo go itlhaloseng mo kana ga e yo?

MR SPEAKER: Ao!

Please, allow me to do my work Honourable Hikuama… HONOURABLE MEMBER: O itlhalosa fela le fa a ka tsaya 30 minutes?
MR SPEAKER: Please, Honourable Hikuama, allow the Honourable Member to do his job.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Araba potso Mr Speaker.

HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… MR SPEAKER: Bagaetsho, can we have order please?

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Hikuama, you must read the Standing Orders.

MR SPEAKER: Exactly, Standing Order 50.1, 2, 3 says exactly what Honourable Letsholo is doing, he is not wrong.

Allow him his chance to explain himself and then you will have your chance, please.
HONOURABLE MEMBER: For how long Mr Speaker?

MR SPEAKER: Bagaetsho, let us have order.

Go on Honourable Letsholo.

11 Hansard No 205Friday 18th March, 2022MOTION FOR THE ADJOURNMENT-DEFINITE MATTER OF URGENT PUBLIC IMPORTANCE MR LETSHOLO: Honourable Speaker, I am going to spend less than five minutes laying the grounds for which I think this matter is both urgent and of public interest.

Honourable Speaker, pending the effective… MR SPEAKER: The Standing Order says you must be brief Honourable Letsholo.
HONOURABLE MEMBER: Jaanong o e tshwere sentle.

MR LETSHOLO: Yes, Honourable Speaker.

Pending the effective and presentation of these laws as signed into law, the procuring entities are continuing with various procurements and have also started procurement for goods and services that we funded with the 2022/23 budget.
These procurements are not applying the laws and this has irreversible effect of circumventing the laws because most of these procurements are framework contracts for two years, three years or some even four years.

Honourable Speaker, if this is allowed to proceed this way, then targeted citizens will only get to benefit from the next set of procurements after the two years, three years or even four years and this situation is quite untenable Honourable Speaker.
Parliament cannot pass a law to include Batswana and that make them wait three years or four years to benefit from it by doing things that seem to circumvent the law.

As I conclude this aspect of my proposal, the objective of these laws is to provide opportunity for targeted citizens to do business with the state and to enable preferential procurement to targeted citizen-owned companies.
Honourable Speaker, this would be circumvented and defeated for many years if the ongoing procurements are allowed to proceed as set out.
Awarding multiple year tenders pending the effective implementation of the laws circumvent the laws as enacted by Parliament, and we particularly do not want Batswana, specifically targeted citizens to miss out on the procurement business opportunities that are available from the 2022/23 budget through unnecessary competition with foreigners, when Parliament has approved the laws that are intended to protect them.
Honourable Speaker, in conclusion, many Members of Parliament here debating the budget, pleaded that the majority of procurement be awarded to locals.

If we do not adopt this Motion that I am presenting today, that wish will not materialise and will be complicit in delivering for Batswana.

We would be accused of paying lip service to targeted citizens who will miss on the opportunities that are available from the 2023 and a number of subsequent ones.
That is why Honourable Speaker, I move that this Honourable House suspends today’s normal business and deals with this matter of urgent, nature and significant interest.

I thank you.

MINISTER OF FINANCE AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT (MS SERAME): Thank you Honourable Speaker, once again good morning Honourable Members.

Mr Speaker, ke ema jaana ka bokhutshwane go ema nokeng Tshutiso e re e beilweng pele ke Honourable Letsholo ya gore Palamente e beele ka fa thoko tse dingwe re buisane Motion o.
Go botlhokwa Mr Speaker gore jaaka re tlaa tloga re feleletsa kabo ya madi a setšhaba, le rona re dire se se tshwanetseng re le Palamente to ensure gore ba ba maleba ba dire se se tlhamaletseng.

Jaaka Honourable Letsholo a ne a bua, botlhe fela jaana re ne re buisana budget re ne re supa gore tota go tlhamaletse, it is the only way and the right way gore budget e re e ntshang madi a dirisiwe to support Batswana, to support dikompone tsa Batswana, to provide a stimulus in the economy.
Tsela e re ka dirang ka yone Mr Speaker, ke gone gore le rona re le Palamente re tle ka Ditshutiso tse di tlaa tlamang gore maphata ka go farologana ba dire se se tshwanetseng.

Se re se bonang jaaka bangwe ba ne ba se bua ba le mmalwa ke gore jaanong e kare maphata a dikologa melao e e tlang.

Ka jalo he Mr Speaker, ke ema nokeng Tshutiso e gore re suspend tse dingwe re buisane Motion.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification Mr Speaker.

MS SERAME: Ke a mo utlwa mme ga ke batla go mo neela.
O ko o iketle, ke tlaa ke go araba kgantele.

Ke tlaa tla ke bua mo go tseneletseng Honourable Lucas kgantele, ke tlaa tla ke go fa clarification.

Ke a leboga Mr Speaker, I support the Motion.

MR RAMOGAPI (PALAPYE): Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

Mr Speaker, ga ke eme Tshutiso e nokeng gore re seegele kwa thoko ditsamaiso tsa Palamente tse di botlhokwa, re bo re tla go bua fela ka kgang e e leng gore e ntse e ya go diragala.

Ke tlaa go fa sekai Mr Speaker fa ke re e ntse e ya go diragala.
Ke gore fa motho a tlhokafetse ke bo ke go raya ke re, tsamayang le ye go batla moruti, re ntse re itse gore Ramogapi fa a tlhokafetse o fitlhwa ke moruti.

Tsamayang le ye go batla moruti a tle a rere ka phitlho ya ga Ramogapi, mme go tswa foo le bo le tsamaya le ya go epa lebitla le le tlaa 12 Hansard No 205Friday 18th March, 2022MOTION FOR THE ADJOURNMENT-DEFINITE MATTER OF URGENT PUBLIC IMPORTANCE tsenyang Rre Ramogapi.

Le se ka la mo tsenya fela a ntse jalo, le tle le kesi.

Ao!
Ao!

batho betsho, re tlaabo re ya kae?

Ke sone se Domkrag e se buang.

Ke gone fela mo Domkrag e go buang gore golo mo re go dumalaneng, go le teng, go le mo molaong.

Jaanong ba batla go re diya fela ka dilo tse di sa utlwaleng gatwe re dire golo mo go yang go diragala.

Selo sa bobedi se se botlhokwa Mr Speaker, ke gore ga re a tshwanela go dira corruption.

MaDomkraga ba a bo ba batla corruption fa o bona ba riana, ba bula lebati la corruption.
Re tshwanetse fa e le sengwe re re a re tleng ka guidelines tse di tlaa thusang badirelapuso gore ba ye go tsamaisa jang lenaneo le.

Jaanong se ba se batlang gore ba ye go utswa, ba senye, ke gone fela mo ba go batlang.

Re tshwanetse go dira regulations.

Ke tsone tse go ka bong gotwe itlhaganeleng ka bonako re dire regulations.

Jaanong re ya go dira dilo tse badirelapuso ba ikaegile ka eng?

Re a itse gore bone …(Interruption)… gore kamoso ba bo ba tender.

We cannot sign a blank cheque for maDomkrag.


Mo ba go dirang ba batla go senyetsa setšhaba.

Go tshwana fela le fa o ka tsaya sekotsekara Mr Speaker, o bo o se baya kwa pele ga ditonki o bo o re ditonki kgarametsang sekotsekara se, di tshwanetse go golegwa di ya kwa pele.

Re tsaya melawana re e isa kwa morago, re bo re tsaya batho re ba isa kwa pele … (interruption)… Pele a re tleng ka melawana e e yang go dira gore tota go abiwa jang… HONOURABLE MEMBER: O re thuba thini tsebe.
MR SPEAKER: You have made you point Honourable Member.

MR KEORAPETSE (SELEBI PHIKWE WEST): Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

Ke ne ke re gongwe ke tlhalosetse ba ga rona gore fa Honourable Serame a setse a buile, she has set a tone gore Tshutiso e e tlaa buiwa.

Se ke neng ke eleditse gore gongwe o ka bo a se tlhalositse ke gore, a o raya gore wena o tlhoka Motion gore o implement se Goromente a tshwanetseng go se dira?

Ke raya gore a ke se o se re bolelelang gore without this Motion you cannot implement?
If you can implement, what is the point for the Motion?

Ke tlaa kopa gore e re fa o araba potso e o tlhalose sentle.

Sa bobedi se ke neng ke eletsa se ka tlhalosiwa ke gore, clarify kgang e e neng e buiwa ke Honourable Lelatisitswe le Honourable Molebatsi when they were debating the budget.

According to them the horses have bolted.


Ba ne ba bua gore tenders di a tswalwa and fa di tswalwa ga go na le fa e le sepe se se supang gore Batswana ba tlaa anya sengwe mo these tenders kana molao o wa Economic Inclusion o o tlaa diragadiwa.

Se sengwe se ke tlaa kopang gore Honourable Letsholo a se re tlhalosetse ke gore, kana o ne a bua jaana ka 24th August 2021, are, “In my view Mr Speaker, the manner in which this Bill has been crafted is likely to be none justifiable.
Meaning that it cannot be enforced before the courts by the citizens, due to the fact that it does not give clear rights to individuals and also because it appears rather too vague.

Honourable Speaker, this is further exacerbated by the apparent none existence of remedies for individuals.

There is no stated personal remedy for those aggrieved by decision that disenfranchise them.
Even if it means demanding that the Government and private sector entity demonstrate that their decision to deny them the opportunity was fair and equitable.

How is this supposed to be implemented if it is vague, if it is non-justifiable?

I do not get it.

Perhaps o tlaa tlhalosa fa a ntse a tsweletse.


Fela se ke neng ke se bona Honourable Speaker ke gore, ga ke itse gore a go tewa gotwe fa go sena Motion o a Goromente o raya gore ga a ka ke … MR SPEAKER: You have made your point Honourable Member for Selebi Phikwe West.

Thank you very much.

Honourable Minister Kgafela you are the last one and then I put a question.

LEADER OF THE HOUSE (MR TSOGWANE): On a point of procedure Mr Speaker.
Mr Speaker, if I was watching carefully the order in which people were raising their hands I would remind you that I think the first hand was for Honourable Majaga from our side, if raising of hand is anything to go by.

I thank you Mr Speaker.

MR SPEAKER: I thank you Honourable Leader of the House.
For a simple reason that Honourable Majaga was audible this morning during question time and for the second reason that Honourable Kgafela has been outside the country for some time, I thought it would only be justifiable to make him audible on this aspect.

There are still lots of chances upon which these other hands shall be able to take part.

MR TSOGWANE: Further point of procedure Mr Speaker.
Mr Speaker, if it was a party list, I would have preferred that we choose the people in terms of who comes first.

Another thing is that, we cannot only hear the voice of the front bench on matters of national interest.

We must also give chance and opportunity to the back bench voice.

On the basis of that we have heard the Minister from our side and therefore we need very strongly to hear the voice of the back bench.

I plead with your Mr Speaker.


13 Hansard No 205Friday 18th March, 2022MOTION FOR THE ADJOURNMENT-DEFINITE MATTER OF URGENT PUBLIC IMPORTANCE MR SPEAKER: May we have order please.

I still stand my ground Your Honour.

We are just testing waters now.

There are still going to be more chances for these other hands.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Which waters are you testing?

O Speaker, you do not test waters tsa Domkrag.

You are the Speaker!


HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… MR SPEAKER: Secondly as per Standing Order 59.1, I have already resolved that Honourable Kgafela should take the floor.

Ke tsaya ba le four fela and then I will put the question.

MINISTER OF INVESTMENT, TRADE AND INDUSTRY (MR KGAFELA): Mr Speaker, allow me please in the light of what has been argued, to abandon my entitlement to your ruling in favour of yielding to Mr Majaga.

I take it that the ruling gave me the right to speak over Mr Majaga.
I am abandoning that right in favour of Mr Majaga being given it.

Thank you Mr Speaker.

MR MAJAGA (NATA-GWETA): Thank you Mr Speaker.

Ke re kana fa o fiwa ke Kgosi Mr Speaker, motho a le motona o a amogela.

Ke re re tlaa bua mafoko a mangwefela kgang e tlhamaletse.

Ka gore fa o bona mmei wa kgang a tla ka kgang e le moemedi wa batho, moeteledipele, go a bo go na le matshwenyego.

Matshwenyego kana ga a tshwane lefatshe le lotlhe.


Fa go na le matshwenyego kwa go Brooks, Rre Lucas, kana Motlotlegi Rakgare, a le mo Mogoditshane a le mo toropong, ga a ka ke a tshwana le ame.
Jaanong o a bo a bonye matshwenyego ao a bo a bona go tshwanela gore ka setho le boemedi jwa gagwe a a fetise mo Ntlong e. Jaanong ka jalo ga ke bone go na le mathata gore Tshutiso e o ka bo a e baya mo Palamenteng mo nakong e. Ke ne ke bona gore batho ba lefatshe la Botswana ba emetse dilo tse di tshwanang le tse.

Ka jalo ke ntse ke utlwa bangwe ba bua gore ke selo se se diragalang, se se tlaa diragalang.
Even in the past mo Ntlong e go a bo go na le dingwe tse bangwe ba a tleng ba re di mo pipeline, ba bangwe ba re di rileng.

Jaanong re ne re a tle re bone gore fa o bona bo urgency jwa teng le ba baeteledipele ba Palamente ba bo bone go maleba gore re bue Tshutiso e Mr Speaker.

Batswana ba lebile private sector.

Goromente re a itse gore rotlhe mo Ntlong e re tlhola re ntse re tshwenngwa ke batlhophi ba rona go ya ka dikgaolo tsa rona ba bua ka ditiro, tenders, gongwe le gongwe.
Ga go na ope Mopalamente yo o ka nthayang a re ene kwa kgaolong ya gagwe ga go nke go nna le issue ya tenders kana ya eng.

Jaanong fa Mopalamente a tla ka urgent public importance Motion for a definite matter re tshwanetse go o tseela kwa pele re le Ntlo e, re o fetise fela jaaka re kile ra re re simolola Palamente e ra fetisa mengwe ya melao e re neng re bona gore e tshwanetse.
Kana se setona fela Batlotlegi Mapalamente ke gore, re lebelele lefatshe le lotlhe, botona jwa lone le dikgaolo tsa lone ka botswapelo.

Re bo re bona gore batho ba re ba emetseng ba, fa re nna re baakanya jaaka maloba re ne re baakanya melao, mme le Motions di batla gore sengwe se sekasekiwe, go a bo go le mo maruding a rona, regardless of partisan.

Moo go tshwana fela le dikereke, MaLontone, MaEloyi, MaSione ba rapela Jeso le Modimo.

Le rona jaaka fa re ntse fa rotlhe re baemedi ba batho.
O fitlhela kwa kgaolong ya me Makhanselara ke a opposition, nna ke Mopalamente wa ruling party, mme botshelo ga bo eme, re tsamaisa lefatshe, re tsamaisa Puso.

Jaanong se ke batlang go se bua ke gore, re tshwanetse gore dilo tse dingwe re di lebelele ka bofefo jo bo rileng, le botlhokwa jwa gore fa re ka fetisa golo mo ke gone re ka tšhekang ba e leng gore we have tasked them gore ba ye go dira.
Re ntse re lela mo diofising ka bontsi, maloba re ne re bua…kana ke ene Mme Bridget go santse go na le bo Public Procurement and Asset Disposal Board (PPADB), go na le bo Local Authority Public Accounts Committee.

(LAPAC) mo Dikhanseleng, maloba re ne re bua ka Motion wa gore mme a go lelefatswe transportation ya diteraka di tle di reng, di tle di reng.

Ke gore ke dilo tse ke neng ke di bua, mme on the ground ke a bereka, ditiro ga di yo.
Jaanong moo e a bo e le go lolafatsa kana go dira a conducive environment ya gore e re go na le this Procurement Act and Economic Inclusion e bonale.

Jaanong fa re ka fetisa golo mo, ke gone re ka yang go e bona mo dikgaolong tsa rona to mark it fela in our districts and the sub-districts gore a mme Batswana ba bona tsamaiso yone e re e fetisitseng.
Re ntse re fetisa Motions, go na le melao e e leng teng, o fitlhela some of the officers ba e leng gore they are tasked go bona gore ditiro tseo di a diragadiwa, ba sa di diragatse Mr Speaker.

Jaanong Motions tse di tshwanang le tse jaaka go kile ga tla le Motion mongwe o o neng o batlile go tshwana le wa ga Motlotlegi Letsholo, go ya go dira gore re bone, fa ke le Majaga kwa bo Nata-Gweta kwa, mo bo Tutume Sub District, main district ya bo Central District, re bone gore a mme dilo tse di a diragadiwa.
Fa 14 Hansard No 205Friday 18th March, 2022MOTION FOR THE ADJOURNMENT-DEFINITE MATTER OF URGENT PUBLIC IMPORTANCE di sa diragadiwe, re bolelele molaodi gore nnyaa, kana Puso e hirile lona le le badirelapuso, jaanong ke eng ka re fetisitse melao ya procurement jalojalo e e amanang le tendering, ke eng go sa bonale fa Batswana jaanong ba ungwela?
Jaanong fa re ka se ke re fetise melao e, some of the officers ba ya go nna le gore ba batle seikgotlho kana some obstacles that can hinder ditsamaiso tse e leng gore at the end of the day on the ground di thusa Batswana fa re bua ka the tenders.

Mr Speaker, maphata jaaka le rebola madi jaana, tenders di rebolelwa madi.
Maloba ke ne ke raya Tona yo mongwe ke re, kana fa o bona o kopa madi, dithata tsotlhe di mo go wena, ga di mo go Mma Serame, ene o fetisitse budget ya gagwe, jaanong di mo go wena o le Tona Mzwinila gore jaanong le wena o laole in five years.

Fa o ka se ke o laole in five years, owai, go ya go nna mathata.

Jaanong one madi ao, ke one a the tenders tse Letsholo a buang fela gore nnyaa mme a maphata go nne le tsamaiso e e tlaa bong e fetisitswe ke Palamente ya procurement.
Jaanong ministries tsone tse, ke tsone tse di nang le madi a di a kopang gompieno, a e leng gore a ya in tenders.

These tenders ke tsone le ...(interruption)… mo dikgaolong tsa rona, ba bo ba huma ba bona ditiro, lefatshe le ya kwa pele, madi a circulate, re bo re tshela.
Le rona ba re tswang gone fa, re ya go batla tenders fa re paletswe, bangwe ba ntse ba le mo go tsone mo Ntlong e. Jaanong ke raya gore ke dilo tse re tshwanetseng ra di emela ka dinao le rona ra ipaakanyetsa, kana ga o na go itse se se yang go diragala kwa pele.

Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

MR SPEAKER: Thank you Honourable Majaga, you have made your point, I am now going... HONOURABLE MEMBER: Procedure Mr Speaker.

MR SPEAKER: Honourable Lucas, what is your procedure?
ACTING LEADER OF THE OPPOSITION (MR LUCAS): Point of procedure.

Mr Speaker, ke dumela gore, gore re tle re tseye ditshwetso tse di lebaneng, re tshwanetse re bo le informed Mr Speaker, mme Minister yo o amegang mo kgannyeng e, e rile fa a akgela, a supa gore o e ema nokeng, mme ke ne ka kopa clarification e e leng gore e ne e ka thusa Ntlo e gore re itse gore gone mme information e a nang le yone, a mme e kare re debate, ya re thusa.
Information eo ke e neng e le gore ke batla go botsa Minister ka the regulations, because e rile melao e yotlhe ka bobedi e feta, o ne a re solofetsa the regulations.

Jaanong fa e le gore the regulations ga di ise di fete, go tlile go re thatafalela to debate kgang e in the positive.

Procedure e ke kopang ke gone gore Minister a ko a re fetise pele ka kgang ya gore a mme the regulations and guidelines tsone a mme di teng so that we can debate the matter from an informed position.
HONOURABLE MEMBER: Golo moo ga se procedure.

MR LUCAS: I am talking to the Speaker here sir.

HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Interruptions!

)… MR SPEAKER: Thank you for the order.
Before I stood up, I wanted to come up and read to you what Standing Order 50.3 says, then Honourable Leader of the Opposition came with his question; (i) Honourable Minister Serame has not yet debated this Motion, we can only get to know whether there are regulations or there shall be regulations after her full deliberation has been put across to the floor, but gone gompieno to use the word that somebody “hates” four Honourable Members that spoke, were just testing the waters.
Now that they have tested the waters, it is up to me to tell you what Standing Order 50.3 and 50.4 says, and 50.3 has got this to say “if the Speaker is satisfied that the matter is definite, urgent and of public importance, a question shall be put to the house to adjourn and discuss the matter.” Standing Order 50.4; “the time for discussion shall be limited to a maximum of two hours.” So I have now satisfied myself that from the four people that spoke that the matter is as per Standing Order 50.3 and I am going to put a question.
Question put and agreed to.

MR SPEAKER: We are now... HONOURABLE MEMBERS: ...(Murmurs)... MR SPEAKER: May we have order please.

Order!

Order!

Honourable Letsholo, you have 30 minutes to present your case.

Honourable Member for Kanye North.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Procedure Mr Speaker.

MR SPEAKER: Procedure, Honourable Rakgare what is your procedure?

MINISTER OF YOUTH EMPOWERMENT, SPORT AND CULTURE DEVELOPMENT (MR RAKGARE): Procedure.

Thank you very much Mr Speaker.


Jaaka o ne o utlwa lentswe gotwe re buile 15 Hansard No 205Friday 18th March, 2022MOTION FOR THE ADJOURNMENT-DEFINITE MATTER OF URGENT PUBLIC IMPORTANCE jaana, re a ikgorogela Mr Speaker, jaanong ke ne ke re ke botse kana gongwe melao e fetogile.

Gatwe maabane Umbrella for Democratic Change (UDC) e letse e tsentse candidates tse pedi; a go a letlelelwa Mr Speaker, gore ditlhopho di le dingwefela, phathi e ka ema ka batho ba babedi?
HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Murmurs)… MR RAKGARE: Ke ne re ke botse Mr Speaker, pele ga Honourable Letsholo a re bolelela ka Motion o montlentle o re o ratang o, ke re re tlhatswe eo ka gore you have been mo dipolotiking tsa Botswana long enough gore o ka nkgakolola gore a mme phathi e ka ithubaganya ka bogare, e bo e ema ka candidates tse pedi e iphatlalatsa jaaka UDC e iphatlaladitse?

HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… MR SPEAKER: Thank you.

Let us have order please!

Order please!

Order!


HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… HONOURABLE MEMBER: O lesa Rakgare fela a tswa mo tseleng.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Naare Speaker, wa re thank you?

Mr Speaker, wa re thank you motho a le out of order?

Nnyaa Mr Speaker.

MR SPEAKER: May we have order!

I have to rule.

HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… MR SPEAKER: I have to rule.

HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… MR SPEAKER: May we have order!

I have to rule.
I have to rule.

Honourable Rakgare is completely out of order; completely out of order.

Standing Order 57.1 clearly states that you have to talk to the matter that is on the table.

Honourable Letsholo, please present your Motion.


HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… MR LETSHOLO (KANYE NORTH): Tla ke simolole ka go leboga Batlotlegi Mapalamente go bo ba dumalane le kopo ya me ya gore mo mosong wa gompieno, re name re beetse fa thoko dikgang tse di neng di beilwe Ntlo e pele gore ke tsone tsa letsatsi la gompieno.

Re buisane ka kgang e ke dumelang gore tota ke e e botlhokwa e bile e tlhoka go tsewa ka nakwana ka bonako, e ama Batswana ka kakaretso.
Ke le leboge batlotlegi gore le bo le dumalane le kopo e ke le e beileng pele ya gore re dire jalo.

Motlotlegi Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, fa ke tswelela jaanong ke tsena mo kgannyeng e ya gompieno, ke supe gore tota re tswa mo bothateng jwa leroborobo… MINISTER OF FINANCE AND ECONOMIC (MS SERAME): Procedure.

DEVELOPMENT Thank you Mr Speaker.


Ke ne ke re gongwe jaanong re tlaabo re tswa mo tsamaisong ka gore matsogo otlhe a a tsholeditsweng a before Honourable Letsholo a bua, a sa le a tsholediwa kgantele.

Jaanong ga ke itse gore a re mo tsamaisong Mr Speaker.

Thank you.

MR SPEAKER: Re mo tsamaisong Motlotlegi Tona wa Madi.

Ke a go a diga gone jaana, I will instruct my Clerk to strike all these hands off.

Motion o simolola go buiwa, we are no longer testing the waters.

We are on the Motion now.


MR LETSHOLO: Motlotlegi Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo, ke tlhalose gore re santse re le mo maibing a leroborobo la corona, e e leng gore bontsi bongwe jwa batho bo ne bo dumela gore e tlaa re e ya fifing, e bo e le gore dikgwebo di le dintsintsi di sule, di bolailwe ke manokonoko a corona gongwe e bile go feta batho.
Jaanong se se raya gore fa re lebelela seemo sa dikgwebo kana lefatshe la rona, re tshwanetse go lebelela dikgang tse kwa teng mme e bile re iketeile sehuba gore re tlaa dira gotlhe mo go kgonagalang go thusa Batswana gore manokonoko a a leroborobo la corona a kokobele, segolobogolo mo dikgwebong tsa bone.

Re itse gore fa dikgwebo tsa bone di tsamaya sentle, ke gone ba tlaa hirang batho, itsholelo le matshelo a Batswana a tlaa tokafala.
Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo, o tlaa lemoga gore maphata a Puso a a farologaneng a lekile ka fa a kgonang ka teng, go leka go thusa Batswana, segolobogolo bone ba dikgwebo gore di se ka tsa ya fifing.

Fa ke e fa sekai ka Lekalana la Citizen Entrepreneurial Development Agency (CEDA) le le adimileng Batswana madi gore ba simolodise dikgwebo, ba bangwe ba dire ditsompelo kana di dirisiwa tse re ntseng re di tsaya kwa mafatsheng a mangwe.
Fa ke e fa sekai ka dibipamelomo kana sanitizers tse di ntseng di tlhokiwa Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo, ke belaela gore fa re ka se ke ra ba atamela thata, ra dira gore melao e Palamente e e e fetisitseng, e e ikaeletseng go ba thusa gore dikgwebo tsa bone di thuthuge, re tlaabo re sa ba direle sentle.

E tlaa re re leba kwa morago, re bone e le gore re latlhetse madi a Batswana ka motlhobodika.
Ke sone se ke tlang ka Tshutiso e ke re re ba atamele gore itsholelo ya lefatshe la rona e tle e nne botoka, manokonoko a corona a kokobele.

16 Hansard No 205Friday 18th March, 2022MOTION FOR THE ADJOURNMENT-DEFINITE MATTER OF URGENT PUBLIC IMPORTANCE Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo, ke ne ke santse ke tlhalosa gore Palamente e e tlile ka melawana e mebedi e e botlhokwa; molao wa go reka dithoto tsa Puso le wa go thusa Batswana thatathata o bangwe ba tleng ba re Batswana ba sekei.
Molao o o ne wa e tlhalosa gore ke ene ‘targeted citizen’.

Jaanong sebe sa phiri Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo, se ke se bonang gone jaana go lebega melawana e go dirisiwa ga yone o kare go tlaa diega, a bo go raya gore bomosola jwa melao e bo tlaa tsaya nako le jone gore Batswana ba e nwe moro.

Ke sone jaanong ke tlileng ka Tshutiso e ke kopa gore re akofe go dirisa melawana e. Fa e le gore dikgoreletsi dingwe di teng, re di bewe pele, re di itse, re bone gore re ka dira jang.
Ka nako e ke batla go tlhalosa gore kana jaanong tse ke buang ka tsone tse ke melao, ga e sa tlhole e le Melao- kakanyetso.

Gore Honourable Letsholo o ne a supile mogopolo ofe fa go ne go buisanngwa ka melawana e, kana Honourable Keorapetse o ne a akanya jang, nako eo e fetile.

Gompieno lefatshe la Botswana le na le molao o o itebagantseng le go thusa Batswana gore dikgwebo tsa bone …(Interruptions)… le bone ba kgone go roba letsogo, ba nne le seabe se se tseneletseng mo itsholelong ya lefatshe la bone.
Ke gone fa re leng teng gompieno.

Tse re neng re di bua fa re santse re buisana ka molao, jaanong re mo molaong gore o diragadiwe.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification.

MR LETSHOLO: Jaanong Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo, ke ne ke santse ke tlhalosa… Ke tlaa boela fa go wena honourable.

Ke ne ke santse ke tlhalosa gore keletso ya me ke gore melao e re e fetisitseng e, tota e ka bo e akofelwa gore e dirisiwe.
Re ithute re le Palamente e mo mafatsheng a mangwe, re lebelela gore maloba re ne re bidiwa jaana ka diamaramara re tla Palamenteng kwano e le gore re tlile go buisana ka melao e e neng e tlhoka gore re e fetise ka bonako go babalela itsholelo ya rona gore ba mafatshe a mangwe ba re lebe ka leitlho le le siameng.
Re bo re kgona go fetisa melao eo mme re bone fela ka nako e e sa fediseng pelo, kgwedi e ise e bo e fele, ba European Union (EU) e bo e bile ba setse ba ntsha lefatshe la Botswana mo mafatsheng a a sa itseyeng sentle fa go tla kwa go tsa madi.

Ke ne ke eletsa gore le rona Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo, re dire jalo gore mafatshe a mangwe fa re fetisa melao ka bonako kgwedi e ise e bo e fele, ba setse ba tsaya kgato ka lebaka la gore re dirile melao eo.
Le rona e re re fetisa melao, ka bonako re e diragatse gore go se ka ga tsaya lebaka ka gore tota Tshutiso e, ga re ne re akofetse go dira jaana, gongwe e ka bo e sa tlhokafale.

Ka gore jaanong re diegile, go botlhokwa gore jaaka Mapalamente a ne a bua gore ba eletsa gore budget e e fetisiwang e, Batswana ba nne le seabe se setona mo go fiweng ditiro tsa yone gore gongwe go ka kgonagala.
Jaanong ga ke ye fela kgakala Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo, ke batla batlotlegi gore ba kgone go tlhaloganya gore ke bua ka eng ka gore ke ne ke bua gore ditirelo tse di setseng di ntshitswe, di supagala e le tsa dingwaga tse pedi kana tse tharo, fa gongwe e bile tse nne.
Se se raya gore fa ditiro tse di ka fiwa gongwe mongwe yo e leng gore ga se ‘targeted citizen’ jaaka molao o ne o lebile, ‘targeted citizen’ ene, o ya go nna le sebaka sa gore a bone mosola mo molaong o fa go sena go digelwa dingwaga tse pedi, tharo kana tse nne fela jalo.

Ke batla go le fa dikai batlotlegi tsa tenders tse di supang gore di tlaa tsaya dingwaga tse pedi kana tse tharo fela jalo.

Ke fa sekai Motsamaiso Dipuisanyo, di kwadilwe ka Sekgoa mme o tlaa intshwarela.
Ya ntlha ya re, “Tender offers are invited for supplies contract for the provision of food rations and domestic gas to Ministry of Basic Education for a period of 24 months.” Ya bobedi, “Botswana Power Corporation (BPC) invites tenders for the following: Supply and delivery of toilet paper to Gaborone and Francistown warehouses for two years, Sealed tender; two-year framework contract for the supply and delivery of toners to Department of Broadcasting; BPC; supply and delivery of gases for a three-year contract; supply and delivery of 5 kilogram (kg) peanut butter to 29 primary schools in Gaborone City Council (GCC) until 2024.
Tse ke ne ke le fa dikai fela batlotlegi gore fa re ka letlelela tenders tse gore di tswelele jaaka di beilwe jaana, go raya gore tse di tlaa latelang, di di sala morago, e tlaabo e le dingwaga tse pedi… ...Silence...

MR LETSHOLO: …tsa Palamente, mma ke tlhalose gore kgang ya gore re bo re e fa tenders tsa dingwaga tse dintsi, e lebega o kare e ka tloga ya tsamaya molao o re o beileng, o Palamente e dumalaneng le one ka lekeke.
E o tsamaya ka fa thoko, ka Sekgoa mo gotweng to circumvent the law and ga ke dumele go siame gore re le Palamente kana re le Puso, re tseye ditshwetso tse di tlaa lebegang ka tsela nngwe e le gore they circumvent molao o o fetisitsweng ke Palamente 17 Hansard No 205Friday 18th March, 2022MOTION FOR THE ADJOURNMENT-DEFINITE MATTER OF URGENT PUBLIC IMPORTANCE e bile Puso e o dumalane.
Ga ke batle go ya lolololo Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, ka gore ke tsaya gore ke kgang fela e e seng thata tota e e seng dingalo.

Ke tlhalose fela gore fa o leba, o tlaa bona gore bontsi jwa ditirelo tse di tlhokafalang tse gotweng tsa supplies, tota ga se tse gotweng Batswana kana go na le dikitso dingwe tse ba senang tsone kana go na le sengwe se se faphegileng, se ba tlhokang gore ba se itse kana ba nne le sone gore ba di dire.
In fact, tota ga ke itse mafatshe a mantsi mo lefatsheng, a ba letlelelang batswakwa gore ba tle mo lefatsheng la bone gore ba tle go dira ditirelo tsa supplies.

Kwa gaNgwaketse, re na le lefoko le re reng go sthaisa, ke gore fa kwa ga lona go ise go apewe, mme gongwe o tshwerwe ke tlala, o bo o ya fale fa go bo Keorapetse gore ka gore bone ba setse ba apeile, o ya go ema teng gore e re nako e go tsholwang, o bo o le foo, o bo o tsholelwa le wena o o ja, ke gone go sthaisa.
Ba bangwe ba a tle ba re go galela.

Jaanong ga ke bone go siame gore Puso ya rona e letlelele batswakwa gore ba tle go galela kana ba tle go sthaisa ka tenders tsa supplies tse tota Batswana bagarona, ga go thata fela gore ba ka di dira.

Le fa go rekiwa sengwe se se tona, kana ke fe sekai gore go rekiwa sefofane.

Kana motho who supplies sefofane, ga se ene a se dirang, o a tsamaya a ya go batla koo, a bo a bona gore se ka rekwa kae, a bo a se isa kana a neela Goromente.
Jaanong Batswana ba ka dira dilo tsa supplies, go tshwanetse gore tota re tlhamalale fela gore tse tsone, re se ka ra letlelela batswakwa gore ba sthaise mo go tsone.

Nnyaa, mme tse tsone a re di lebaganye le Batswana.

Batswana ba ke buang ka bone, ke gore fa go a bo go le Labotlhano jaana, re ya kwa dikgaolong, re reng, ke bone ba e bile re tlaabong re na le bone kwa diphitlhong, kwa kae, re utlwa botlhoko le bone.
Ke kopa Ntlo e gore e dumalane le nna gore re utlwe botlhoko le bone le fa go tla kwa dikgannyeng tsa theko ya dithoto tsa Puso kana go leka go tsholetsa matshelo a bone, a re ba utlwele botlhoko.

Nte ke yield ka Honourable Keorapetse o ne a kopile go bua sengwe, mme gone ke feditse go ala kgang ya me tota.

Honourable Keorapetse, if the Speaker allows.

MR SPEAKER: Honourable Keorapetse, I am just about to propose a question, let us have you with your comment.
MR KEORAPETSE: My clarification ke gore ke ne ke re Honourable Letsholo a re thuse fa, gore a go raya gore jaanong re ya go tlhoka Motions gore melao e e fetisitsweng ke Palamente e diragadiwe (implemented), le gore a o ka rotloetsa Mapalamente ba bangwe gore melao e Palamente e ntseng e e fetisa (pass), ba ka tla ka Motions gore e diragadiwe?
Se sengwe ke sone se ke botsang gore fa e le gore it is your considered opinion gore Government tenders are circumventing a law kana written laws should there not be a provision in the law to address that, kana o raya gore ka fa go ntseng ka teng, mo melaong yone e e fetisitsweng ke Palamente, ga go na those provisions in the law to address your concerns tsa gore tenders tse di ya go felela di ya kwa batswakweng?

Jaanong ke botse gore what will be the effect of the Motion?
Legale ke potso e ke tlaa tlang ke e botsa le Honourable Serame.

Ke a leboga.

MR LETSHOLO: Honourable Keorapetse, ke a go leboga.

Tota le nna ke tsone dipotso tse ke nang le tsone tseo.

E bile fa ke ne ke ala kgang, ke ne ke e ala mo ke neng ke tsaya gore the responsible Minister o a utlwa, mme e tlaa re a tswa fa, o tlaa tlhalosa sentle.

Fa o ne o utlwa ke re go diega ga go tlisa melao e mo tirisong sentle e e tseneletseng, ga ke kgone go tlhaloganya gore thatathata bothata ke eng.
Ke tsaya gore Tona yo o maleba ka fa tsamaisong, tota o tlaa re tlhalosetsa gore re bone gore mme go ntse jang, go ka tweng.

Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

Honourable Speaker, ke ne ke re pele ga tota ke tsisa potso ya me, gore gongwe batlotlegi ba tle ba akgele mo go yone, ke eletsa go ema fa ka Standing Order 47.1 se se letlelelang motlotlegi gore e ka re a santse a tsweletse a bua, a kope kana a dire Tshutiso e e ka baakanyang (amend) Tshutiso e e setseng e le teng.
Honourable Speaker, ke bua se ka gore ke lemoga gore fa ke tlhalosang teng ke re Ntlo e e bo e neelwa reports kgwedi le kgwedi, ke bona o kare gongwe e tlaabo e le go tsenya Ntlo e mo mapharaganyaneng.

Jaanong gongwe ke tlhalose gore tota fa ke ne ke re Palamente, ke ne ke reela komiti ya Palamente, ke ne ke sa tseye gore e tlaabo e le gore tota di tla kwa Palamenteng kgwedi le kgwedi ka gore ditiro tsa Ntlo e di dintsi.
Jaanong ke ne ke eletsa Mr Speaker, gore ke kope amendment fa gotweng, “to report to Parliament monthly,” re bo re tsenya this part e e reng, “through the Finance and Estimates Committee,” and then e bo e ka tswelela jaaka e ntse Mr Speaker.

So ke ne ke re ke move that amendment before we can move the Motion o o leng fano Honourable Speaker.

I thank you.
I thank you.

MR SPEAKER: I am going to respond just now to your amendment as per Standing Order 47.1, but I can tell you that the Standing Order says your amendment 18 Hansard No 205Friday 18th March, 2022MOTION FOR THE ADJOURNMENT-DEFINITE MATTER OF URGENT PUBLIC IMPORTANCE has got to be brought in a written form to me.

My Clerks are still quickly working on that and then I shall call for the amendment either to be agreed to or not in a second.

MR LETSHOLO: Thank you Honourable Speaker.


MR SPEAKER: We are still testing the waters.

HONOURABLE MEMBERS: ...(Murmurs)... HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ke batla batho ba ke ka utlwang sengwe mo go bone.

O kae Dr Matsheka?

A tle go nthusa to debate Motion o. MR SPEAKER: Honourable Hikuama, Standing Order 57.5, you are imputing improper motives on other members.
MR HIKUAMA: Nnyaa, ka re ke bone ba ke itseng gore ba na le dikitso tse ke di tlhokang, ba ka nthusa go rarabolola Motion o. HONOURABLE MEMBERS: ...(Murmurs)... MR SPEAKER: Let us have order Honourable Members.

Let us have order Honourable Member for Palapye.


The honourable mover of the Motion proposes that where it says, “to Parliament monthly on all tenders,” now he proposes that it should be amended to read, “through the Finance and Estimates Committee.” Honourable Members, the question before the House is that the amendment be agreed to.

Amendment agreed to.

MR SPEAKER: Honourable Members, the matter is open for debate.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Procedure Mr Speaker.

MR SPEAKER: Letsholo has moved?


HONOURABLE MEMBER: Procedure.

MR SPEAKER: We appear to have overlooked one issue.

Honourable Member for Kanye North, you have to move your Motion as amended, and then I will call on upon your colleagues, either to approve or disapprove.

Honourable Member for Kanye North.

MR LETSHOLO: Ke a go leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente.
Ka nako e ke kope batlotlegi gore jaaka ba ntse ba kopa gore budget e ya 2022/2023 e sologele Batswana molemo fela thata, ba dumalane le kopo e ke e bayang pele e, e e baakantsweng.
Mr Speaker, I now move that this Honourable House that all Government procurement/tenders resolves that will be funded by the 2022/2023 budget, should immediately implement the commitments set out in the Public Procurement Act and the Economic Inclusion Act recently passed by Parliament, and that all Government Ministries and procurement entities be directed and obliged to report to Parliament monthly through the Finance and Estimates Committee on all tenders that will be awarded pursuant to the 2022/2023 budget on how they have taken the aforementioned legislation into consideration when awarding the tenders.
I so move Mr Speaker.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Procedure Mr Speaker.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Mo ke go batla go aba tenders fela.

MR SPEAKER: We are still moving.

Honourable Letsholo, did you finish so that I can put a question?

MR LETSHOLO: I did move Honourable Speaker.
MR SPEAKER: Honourable Members, the question before the House is that this Honourable House resolves that all Government procurement/tenders that will be funded by the 2022/2023 budget, should immediately implement the commitments set out in the Public Procurement Act and the Economic Inclusion Act recently passed by Parliament, and that all Government Ministries and procurement entities be directed and obliged to report to Parliament monthly through the Finance and Estimates Committee on all tenders that will be awarded pursuant to the 2022/2023 budget on how they have taken the aforementioned legislation into consideration when awarding the tenders.
HONOURABLE MEMBER: Procedure Mr Speaker.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: So, o batla go re diela nako?

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Nnyaa, ga ke go diele nako, I am helping you.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Nnyaa, o ya go re ntsha mo tseleng, ke a go itse.

MR SPEAKER: Let us have order please.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Speaker-nyana se sa... Honourable Moatlhodi.

...(Inaudible)… 19 Hansard No 205Friday 18th March, 2022MOTION FOR THE ADJOURNMENT-DEFINITE MATTER OF URGENT PUBLIC IMPORTANCE HONOURABLE MEMBER: Procedure Mr Speaker.
MR KEORAPETSE: Okay.

MR SPEAKER: Sorry Honourable Hikuama, just a minute Honourable Keorapetse.

Honourable Hikuama, who are you referring to as Speaker-nyana?

MR HIKUAMA: Honourable Healy, gore is he your assistant?

Kana o ntse a go ...(Inaudible)… I was asking if he is your assistant?

MR SPEAKER: He is not.

MR HIKUAMA: O mo kgalemele, he is disturbing.

MR SPEAKER: Let us have order please!

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Procedure.


HONOURABLE MEMBER: Hikuama, o kare o ntse o re tsoseditse modumo o bo o bua dilo tseo?

MR SPEAKER: Right, I have opened the matter for debate.

I am just about to call upon Honourable Tshere but Honourable Keorapetse calls for procedure.

MR KEORAPETSE: Procedure.

Mr Speaker, ke botse gore kana Motion o gakere o tshwanetse gore o nne le a Minister responding to it, ke bona gore it talks to two pieces of legislation.

The Public Procurement Act and the Economic Inclusion Act.
The former being under Ministry of Finance and Economic Development, and the latter being under Ministry of Investment, Trade and Industry.

That is the first question.

The second question which is very important before we debate is, whether the commencement dates of these two pieces of legislation has been gazetted?
Ke raya gore are we debating ...(Interruptions)… MR SPEAKER: You have made your point Honourable Member for Selebi Phikwe West, and that actually corrects my first position, whereby I had called upon Honourable Tshere, which I regret.

The Honourable Minister responsible for the chapter, should be the one that first takes the floor and that is none other than... MR KEORAPETSE: Ga o a nkaraba Mr Speaker.

MR SPEAKER: Ema pele Honourable Keorapetse.

Honourable Minister Serame!


MR KEORAPETSE: O bo o ntsena ganong Mr Speaker, ke ise ke wele.

O bo o tsaya gore ke wetse.

MR SPEAKER: O sale o buile motho wa Modimo.

20 MR SPEAKER: The Honourable Minister should be Minister Serame.

Gakere o boditse jalo gore Minister yo o yang to respond a o teng kana ga a yo?

I am now doing... MR KEORAPETSE: O a utlwa, ga se potso ya me eo.

MR SPEAKER: What is your question?

MR KEORAPETSE: My question is, Motion o, talks to two pieces of legislation.
The former being under Ministry of Finance and Economic Development, and the latter being Economic Inclusion Act under Ministry of Investment, Trade and Industry.

I am asking gore this chapter is under whose ministry?

Secondly, I am asking gore Mr Speaker, kana re batla go itse gore before we debate, these pieces of legislation tsotlhe ka bobedi, commencement date ya tsone a e teng, a re bua ka melao e e mo tirisong as we speak?

Has the commencement date been gazetted?

That is what I am asking.


That is why perhaps go sena regulations, gongwe commencement ga e ise e nne teng.

Re batla go itse, so that we debate from an informed position.

Ke tsone dipotso tsa me fela Mr Speaker.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: You are right sir, you are right comrade.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ee, o tlaa utlwa fa re debate.

HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Interruptions!)...

MR SPEAKER: May we have order please.

Bagaetsho, may we have order please.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Procedure Mr Speaker.


MR SPEAKER: May we have order please.

Honourable Keorapetse stood on a point of procedure.

We cannot have another procedure, before I clear the grey area.

All I can say to Honourable Keorapetse is, Honourable Minister the chapter, precisely Honourable Minister Peggy Onkutlwile Serame, shall clear all these other areas that Honourable Keorapetse is unclear upon.

So, it is as clear as all that.


Honourable Minister Serame, is taking the floor now and she will clear all the grey areas.

responsible for HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ke kopa go ikarabela Mr Speaker.

Hansard No 205Friday 18th March, 2022MOTION FOR THE ADJOURNMENT-DEFINITE MATTER OF URGENT PUBLIC IMPORTANCE HONOURABLE MEMBER: Nnyaa, re utlwile, go weekend, re batla to exercise dikgomo tsa rona re bo re di robatsa.

HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Laughter!


)… HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ke go boleletse gore motho yo o ya go re diela nako Mr Speaker.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Healy, ga o na kgomo e o ka e robatsang.

MR SPEAKER: Honourable Minister Serame, please take the floor.

MINISTER OF FINANCE AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT (MS SERAME): Thank you Mr Speaker.

Ke a leboga Honourable Members.

Ke simolole ka go leboga Honourable Letsholo ka go tla ka Motion o a tlileng ka one.
Ke kopa le ntetlelele pele ke arabe, le se ka la mpotsa before ke araba se le yang go se mpotsa.

Sa ntlha, Honourable Letsholo, it takes a leader go bona gore fa go nang le diphatlha teng, e se ka ya nna yo o kgalang fela kana a buela kwa godimo go gaisa batho botlhe.

A tseye nngwe kgato e e ka thusang seemo se a se bonang.

O ne o lemoga gore gompieno go na le makalana a mantsi a o neng o o fa dikai ka one, le a o neng o a balolola ka Sekgoa.
O bua gore go lebega go setse go na le bangwe ba e leng gore le fa melao e tshwanetse go tsena mo tirisong mo ngwageng o o simololang ka April, bone ba bo ba setse ba ntsha the tenders.

Effectively the tenders tsa teng di raya gore molao o, ga o ka ke wa dirisiwa in two or three years ka gore ba bangwe ba ntsha tse di gogang up to 2024.

Go bo go raya gore ka molao ga o ise o tsene mo tirisong, o tsena next financial year, o le moeteledipele, o bo o nna fa fatshe o re, a ke ka lebelela seemo se fela?
It takes leadership gore o bo re, mme go na le sengwe se se ka dirwang in the meantime.

So, I have to thank you for that.

Ke dumela gore le Batswana ba tlaa go leboga thata.

Sa bobedi se ke batlang go se gatelela se o neng o se bua, Batswana betsho, ga go na gope kwa gotweng Honourable Hikuama o ka palelwa ke go tsena in a shop a rekisa toilet paper as an example, kana ra mo neela tender a ya go reka plane fa e le gore re batla plane, ya tla ya rekwa mo go ene.
Ke eng go tshwanetse gore selo seo, se tsewe se neelwe batho ba ba tswang kwa ntle?

Go na le dilo tse e leng gore tota le sefofu se a di bona le yo o sa utlweng o a di utlwa gore di tlhamaletse.

Ke dingwe tse ke neng ke re ke go leboge le Batswana.

Ke sure gore le bone ba go reeditse, ba tlaa go lebogela gore o tlile ka Tshutiso e e ntseng jaana.

Ke tlaa ikganelela kwa dikgannyeng tse batlotlegi ba bangwe ba neng ba botsa gore re fa kae; ke tsone tse di leng botlhokwa.
Before ke tsena kwa go yone, go na le potso e e neng e bodiwa ke Honourable Keorapetse gore go araba mang?

Ee, go beilwe melao e mebedi; ke wa Public Procurement le Economic Inclusion.

Fa o ka lebelela Motion, Honourable Keorapetse le fa o bua o sa ntheetsa, go buiwa ka procurement and tenders.

That is why the lead Minister on this particular one e le Minister of Finance yo e leng gore Public Procurement Act e ka fa tlase ga lekalana la gagwe.
Ke sone se o bonang e tlile kwa go nna ka gore it is about procurement and tenders.

Tse tsotlhe ke molao wa Public Procurement but of course e, e dirwa in support of molao o mongwe wa Economic Inclusion.

Ke sone se o bonang ke le the lead.

Secondly, I am not just the Minister of Finance, I am also the Minister of Economy.

So, issues that deal ka economy, ke sone se o bonang nako e nngwe fa e le gore di tsenya makalana a mantsi, di felela di tla kwa go nna ka gore I am also the Minister for Economy.
Ke tsaya gore eo ke e tlhalositse.

Kgang e nngwe e batlotlegi ba neng ba e botsa and it is a fair question le Honourable Letsholo ke tsaya gore somewhat o ne a e botsa, ke ya gore re fa kae?

Mr Speaker, e rile ka November 2021, Palamente e ne ya amogela Molao-kakanyetso o o neng ke o tlisa wa Public Procurement.

Ka nako e re neng re dira molao, ke ne ka tlhalosa gore jaaka re le mo Palamenteng, at the same time re tsweletse re dira melawana (regulations).
Gompieno potso ke gore re fa kae; ke tlaa e araba.

Regulations ke tsone tse o di dirang o bo o ya to gazette o le Tona gore molao o o tsena mo tirisong ka letsatsi le (specific regulation).

Sa bobedi, molao o go letlelela gore o le Tona, o supe gore le fa o na le Clauses di le 150, ke tlaa simolodisa Clause 1-30 ka nako e, e, ke bo ke e simolodisa ka nako e. Ke batla gore ke e tlhalose.

Kwa ntle ga go dira regulations, nako eo ke ne ke tlhalosa gore re di dirile.
E rile molao o sena go nna o feta, re bo re ya go shafatsa what we had already done.

Re tlhabolola because go ne ga nna le dipaakanyo dingwe fa re ne re dira molao.

Ga bo go raya gore the draft regulations that we had, re tlhoka gore re boele kwa morago re ye go di sekaseka, di tsamaelane le molao jaaka o ne o setse o amogetswe ke Palamente.

Honourable Letsholo o ne o bua gore fa e setse e le molao, gore mang o ne akanya eng, it does not matter.
Re lebelela molao o o setseng o amogetswe ke Palamente, re bo re baakanya the regulations.

Jaanong gompieno re fa kae?

Attorney General o di busitse, re bo 21 Hansard No 205Friday 18th March, 2022MOTION FOR THE ADJOURNMENT-DEFINITE MATTER OF URGENT PUBLIC IMPORTANCE re di lebelela.

Re patelesega gore re se ka ra tsenya the regulations mo tirisong re sa buisana le batsayakarolo.

Batsayakarolo ba bangwe ba ba botlhokwa is our private sector.
So, we needed to take the draft regulations, re bone procuring entities a ba a di utlwisisa, PPADB ba le mo teng le makalana a a amegang, ra di dumalana.

Fa re leng teng gompieno, the final consultations di a wela.

Tsholofelo ya rona ke gore, e tlaare beke e e tlang or a week after, re bo re setse re boetse kwa Attorney General gore ba ye go ntsha the final regulations.

Ke bua go le March, gompieno go di 18, o bone gore if re ya go di isa kwa go bone, ba ya go di busetsa kwa go rona leng.
That is number one.

Kwa ntle ga the regulations gore molao o, o nne fully operational, re tshwanetse to set new structures.

Le tlaa tlhaloganya gore re ne re bua ka the Procuring Unit, Tribunal and PPADB gore e ya go nna na oversight agency.

Dilo tseo tsotlhe re mo tseleng.

Se sengwe e ne e le the readiness, maphata ka go farologana, how ready are they?

Ke dingwe tse re neng re di dira.


Jaanong very quickly ke lebeletse nako, mma ke tlhalose; ya ntlha ke setse ke tlhalositse gore we are finalising the consultation on the regulations after which re tlaabo re isa the final draft instructions gore ba Attorney General ba feleletse.

Tsholofelo ya rona ke gore, all these will be done re feleletsa go buisana, re bo re ba neela.
Fa le re fa nako based on se se ntseng se diragala, ke dumela gore e tlaare ka May, the regulations di bo di setse di le ready, re feditse consultation and everything.

Ke bua May.

Se sengwe Mr Speaker, ke readiness.

Re ne ra kopa University of Botswana (UB) go re direla assessment, ba buisana le procuring entities go bona gore ba ready go le kae.

Ga re ka ke ra tsenya molao mo tirisong, re bo re fitlhela e le gore re butse diphatlha tse dingwe tse di yang go dirisiwa.
Ramogapi e re company ya gagwe e tshwanetse go neelwa a tender, re bo re bona phatlha ya gore batho ka gore ba ne ba sa tlhaloganye, ba ye go neela motswakwa, mme ba ka bo ba ne ba neetse company ya ga Ramogapi.

The Readiness Assessment Report; re solofela gore by end of this month, re bo re na le yone.

E ya go re thusa gore fa re simolola implementation, ba re bonang ba tlhaela go gaisa ba bangwe, e le makalana a a rekang, re ba thuse.

Re kaetsa gore yo re ka mo thusa ka tsela e e ntseng jang.
Re solofela gore the process ya gore le ba ba tlaabong ba saletse kwa morago, re ba thuse.

Re tlaabo re feditse by June.

E nngwe ke ya structures jaaka ke setse ke buile.

Re ne ra lebelela the structures tse di tshwanetseng go nna in place, re bo re lebelela tse di seyong gotlhelele.

Re ntse re buisana le the Directorate of Public Service Management (DPSM), re a feleletsa.

Re dumela gore le yone e tlaare by May, re bo re feditse tiro eo yotlhe.
Tribunal; jaaka le itse gore re rile go itsa gore batho gore ba tlhole ba tabogetse kwa makgotleng a ditsheko, re ya go nna le Tribunal e e tlaabong e itebagantse le dikgang tsa procurement.

Nako e ntsi ke tsone tse o fitlhelang di dia tsamaiso ya rona le procurement.

Le yone re setse re simolotse, we are at an advanced stage.

Re setse re feditse job profile ya the Registrar, re buisana le DPSM.

Re emetse the final approval from them.


O bona gore ke bua go le di 18 tsa ga March Mr Speaker, which means practically speaking, ga e ka ke ya re ka di 1 tsa ga April, re bo re setse re na le Tribunal in place.

With respect to go dira PPADB Regulator, re setse re simolotse process Mr Speaker.

Sengwe sa dilo tseo ke go bona board members le ba bangwe.
Ditsamaiso tseo di setse di le mo teng mme le tsone re solofela gore e tlaare by June, re bo re setse re di feditse to transfer completely and transform PPADB gore e bo e nna a complete regulatory authority.

Mr Speaker, fa re lebelela timelines tse tsotlhe le gore tenders batho ba tsweletse ba a di phatlalatsa, e bile ba neela batho tse di yang go lotlela procurement ya rona for the next two, three, four years, ke sone se ke bonang go siame gore ke dumalane le Honourable Letsholo ka Motion.
A e re le fa re ise re tsene kwa melaong e mesha e, re tlame maphata gore a dire se se tshwanetseng.

Theko le madi a rona a re tlaabong re a ntsha fa re simolola ngwaga o o tlang, ba bone gore ba a dirisa to benefit Batswana and companies tsa Batswana.

Se batlotlegi le Batswana ke kopang gore le nkutlwe ke se gatelela ke gore, e re la fa molao o ise o tsene mo tirisong, se maphata a se dirang ke gore ba tsamaya molao ka lekeke.
Ba dira gore effectively molao o, o bo o sa ye go re tswela mosola in the next two to three years ka gore tenders dingwe di lotlelwa up to the year 2024.

So, in the meantime, fa o le moeteledipele e bile o rata batho ba gago, ga o ka ke wa phutha matsogo fela.

O tshwanetse o dire sengwe se se ka re thusang gore re lotlele, re tswalele loopholes fa di leng teng.
Ke sone se ke bonang go siame gore re tle ka Motion o o tlaabong o tlama ba ba leng teng gore maphata ka bongwe ka mongwe, ba tsamaye ba ye go lebelela all their Invitation To Tender (ITTs).

Ba lese ga tsamaya ba ya go lotlela procurement up to 2024.

Ke sone se Motion o se dirang.


22 Hansard No 205Friday 18th March, 2022MOTION FOR THE ADJOURNMENT-DEFINITE MATTER OF URGENT PUBLIC IMPORTANCE Motion o, ga o re Mma Serame le Honourable Kgafela ba ya go phutha matsogo fela, ga ba na to implement Acts tseo ka gore ba batla Motion, no, that is not the point.

The point ke gore, based on the timelines le tsotlhe tse re tshwanetseng re di dire, maikaelelo a me ke gore re ya go simolodisa molao in parts.

We will commence it in stages.


Ga re ka ke ra kgona go o simolodisa otlhe at a go ka April 1.

Re tlaa o simolodisa in stages based on the readiness of each component.

What is also important ke gore fa re dira jalo re bo re lebeletse le tsone procuring entities gore re se ka ra patika re re ba dire sengwe se e leng gore le rona re tlaabo re bona gore ga ba mo seemong.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification.

MS SERAME: Ema pele ke tlaa go neela.


Se sengwe ke gore re ntse re dira training ya all the procuring entities to make sure gore fa re ba neela re re ba diragatse molao le rona re bo re ikgotsofaditse gore ba mo seemong se se siameng gore ba diragatse molao o Mr Speaker.
Jalo he, ga go reye gore ga re ye go diragatsa molao but ra re, se se diragalang re se bona ka matlho, dikai tse di neng di fiwa ke Honourable Letsholo di re raya di re maphata mangwe a tabogela kwa pele ga molao go ya go tswalela gore procurement ya rona le budget e re e ntshang e benefit Batswana.

Mma ke tseye clarification ya ga Honourable Keorapetse.

MR KEORAPETSE: Clarification.


Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, ke ne ke re Honourable Serame a re thuse, kana by her very own admission, no regulation is in place, structures are not in place and we have a Motion that says enforce a law that is not in place, that has not yet commenced.

How is this thing going to work?

Le gone Motion o kile a tlama Executive leng?

When did it happen that Motion o ka tlama Executive jaaka o bua?
Tota se se ntlhobaetsang ke sone se gore wa re molao ga o ise o commence, wa re ga go na regulations, there are no structures in place, including tribunal jaaka o ntse o bua.

Motion o ne wa re go ye go dirwa, jaanong go ya go dirwa eng se se iseng se simolole?

MS SERAME: Thank you Mr Speaker.

Karabo ya me mo go e o reng a Motion o e tle o tlame Executive, ke kopa gore mmotsa gore ka o tlhola a tlisa Motions a o a bo a tshamekela Palamente ka nako?
Mr Speaker, re tla malatsi otlhe mo Palamenteng ka Motions… MR KEORAPETSE: Wa re go tlama Executive.

MS SERAME: A ko o reetse Keorapetse, ke ne ke go reeditse gakere.

MR KEORAPETSE: Nnyaa, gakere ke wena o reng Motion o ya go tlama Executive, I am asking you gore since when?

MS SERAME: Ke kopa gore o ntheetse Keorapetse.

If you can learn to listen.


Ke kopa gore Mr Speaker, re dumalane gore re nna re tla ka Motions mo teng ga Ntlo e ka re a bo re dumela gore Ntlo e e na le gore e ka raya maphata ka go farologana ya re, re le Palamente re dumela gore go siametse lefatshe la Botswana gore o ka ya go diragatsa 1, 2, 3, 4.
Ke sone se gape re nnang re tla mo Palamenteng e re botsa gore Motion o re saleng re o fetisa re le Palamente, re kopa gore o le Tona o tle go tlhalosetsa Ntlo e gore o bokgakala bo kae in terms of implementation of that Motion?

That is the first issue.

The second issue Mr Speaker, ke ne ke tsaya gore ke e tlhalositse.

Fa o bala ka iketlo Honourable Keorapetse, Motion o o kopa gore tse ba e tleng ba di dira e le maphata, ba tseye into consideration se melao e mabedi e e batlang se dirwa.
Re a itse gore melao e mabedi e… HONOURABLE MEMBER: E ise e commence?

MS SERAME: A o tle o reetse ne motho wa kwa Phikwe?

MR SPEAKER: Honourable Keorapetse, order!

May we have order please Honourable Keorapetse?

Standing Order 58.4, “when another member is on the floor, all of you should be silent and should not make unseemingly interruption.” Please Honourable Keorapetse, I am pleading with you to abide by the Standing Orders.

MS SERAME: Thank you Mr Speaker.


Ke ne ke re gone it is okay gore re bue gore ga re dumalane ka gore ga re patelesege go dumalana malatsi otlhe.

Fa re sa dumalane nna le Honourable Keorapetse, go siame fela gore ga re dumalane.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification.

MS SERAME: Mma ke wele pele.

Ke le utlwile ke tla le neela.


Ke ne ke tlhalosa gore kana ke ne ke dumalana le Honourable Letsholo gore fa re ka se ka ra dira sepe re re ka gore molao ga o ise o commence, gompieno se re se bonang se diragala, batho ba lotlelela procurement for the next three years.
A le batla go nthaya le le batlotlegi ba ke le ratang bo Honourable Ramogapi, Lucas le bo Keorapetse gore go siame fela gore re bone batho ba 23 Hansard No 205Friday 18th March, 2022MOTION FOR THE ADJOURNMENT-DEFINITE MATTER OF URGENT PUBLIC IMPORTANCE lotlela procurement gore e se ka ya benefit Batswana?

Is that what you are telling Batswana?

If that is what you are telling Batswana, I am okay with it.

Mr Speaker, mma ke neele Honourable Ramogapi o sale a kopile clarification.
ga le ise le nna teng, o solofela gore le ka nna teng ka bo June.

Kana wena wa re o a solofela, gongwe le ka June le tlaabo le seyo ka gore ke tsholofelo ya gago.

Jaanong ka fa go ntseng ka teng wa re re discuss Motion o o illegal le assessment e seyo… MR RAMOGAPI: Clarification.

Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

Mr Speaker, ke ne ke re ke botse Honourable Minister gore a mme o a lemoga gore kgang e ya Motion wa ga Motlotlegi Letsholo ga e ka fa molaong?
A o a lemoga gore Motion that we are debating ga o ka fa molaong?

O kopa sengwe se e leng gore ga se ka fa molaong.

Ke raya jalo ka gore fa e le gore structures tsotlhe tse di dirang gore Motion o o bereke o se ready, ene a bo a re, a re diragatse Motion o, this is illegal.

Ga go na the legal basis to implement the Motion.


Ke re o tlhalose thata ke the legality ya Motion o ka gore ka fa o ntseng ka teng Honourable Minister, ga o ka fa molaong ka gore o eteletse… MR SPEAKER: You have made your point Honourable Ramogapi, you are just being repetitive.

MR RAMOGAPI: Mr Speaker, mma ke wele, kana ka tsamaiso molao o tshwanetse go nna teng, go bo go nne le structures, o e leng gore fa Motswana a batla go itela gore ga ke a tsewa sentle a bo a ya gone kwa tribunal eo.
Jaanong o ka re dilo tse tsotlhe ga di mo teng, ga di ise di diragale, o ntse wa re, “ke akanya gore tribonale e ka nna teng ka June”, go bua wena… HONOURABLE MEMBER: Tribonale ke eng jaanong, gatwe tribonale?

MS SERAME: Ga ke ise ke bue ka tribunal.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Reetsang Ramogapi, ga go na lekgoa mo Palamenteng.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Gakere re batla go tlhaloganya.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ah!

Hey!

Ga gona lekgoa mo Palamenteng, le roba Sekgoa letsatsi le letsatsi, didimalang.
HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)... HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ramogapi, bua, ga gona lekgoa mo Palamanteng.

MS SERAME: Wela tlhe rra Ramogapi.

MR RAMOGAPI: Se ke se buang ka re wena Mme Serame ke wena o neng o bua gore o batla go nna le lekgotla le Batswana ba ka ikuelang mo go lone mma MS SERAME: Mr Speaker, Ramogapi is now debating, ga a sa tlhole a mpotsa potso.

MR SPEAKER: He is so very repetitive, I have said it many times.

Please respond to him Honourable Minister, and time is no longer on your side.
MR RAMOGAPI: Ee, mme ke tsenye ya bofelo go siame Mr Speaker.

MR SPEAKER: No ways.

Ramogapi, you have been too long on the stage, there is no time.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Mma ke tsenye tse pedi tse… MS SERAME: Ke tlaa tla ke go neela Honourable Lucas, nako e tsamaile.

Honourable Ramogapi, there is nothing illegal about this Motion, ke kopa gore o ye go bala gape.

Motion wa re go dirwe commitments set out.


Honourable Letsholo, o a tle o bue Sekgoa o se ntsha ka dinko wa ga Maila, go tswa fa o tle o tlhalose fa o respond gore o ne o reng.

Go lebega nna ke fa ke bua ba sa nkutlwe.

Ke itse Serolong fela, ga ke kgone go bua Setswana se sengwe gape mme ke utlwa Motion and there is nothing illegal about it.

Mr Speaker, tla ke tseye Honourable Lucas nako e tšhaile, ka bonako Honourable Lucas.

MR LUCAS: Clarification.


Ke ne ke re kana sengwe se o ka reng o a re gatelela ke sone sa gore go na le maiteko a go batla go tswala tendering process, go tswalela Batswana kwa ntle.

Ke re fa e le gore sone seemo seo se teng ba bangwe ba setse dirile Invitation to Tenders (ITTs) ba feditse ka tsone, having floated tenders, kgato o tsaya e fe mo bogompienong?

A o a ba emisa?

Kana bone gongwe ba ne ba direla gore gongwe ba tle ba kgone go fefosa tiro mo ngwageng o mošha wa madi.
Sa bofelo ke gore o bua ka go tlama maphata gore a sale morago these commitments, o ya go ba tlama ka tsela e e ntseng jang?

Ka directives from your office kana ka ditsela dife tse gongwe o ka re di sedimosetsang?

Ke a leboga.

MS SERAME: Mr Speaker, ke a lemoga gore nako ya me e setse e tšhaile, ke tla palelwa ke go di araba tsotlhe.

Mme tse dingwe ba bangwe ba ga rona ba tlaa di araba in their response.
Ya ntlha Honourable Lucas 24 Hansard No 205Friday 18th March, 2022MOTION FOR THE ADJOURNMENT-DEFINITE MATTER OF URGENT PUBLIC IMPORTANCE e o neng o re re tsaya kgato efe; jaaka di ITT di tswa, re tsenya leitlho go bona gore di tswa di ntse jang.
Tse re di bonang re buisana le maphata a a maleba, gore kana re bona Invitation to Tender (ITT) ya gago e tswa e ntse jaana, mme effectively what you are doing you are undermining efforts tsa rona re le Puso gore re tle to implement molao fa o simolola the next financial year.

Therefore, kana there are a number of things that they can do.

While tender ya gago ke supplies o reka toilet paper (TP) or toners why o tshwanetse go lotlelela tender ya go reka TP up to 2024?

It does not make sense.


You can make sure that o dira tender ya gago ka nako e khutshwane, gore e re fa molao o tla fa e le gore o a re ga o ka ke wa dira sengwe ka molao, o bo o kgona go dira se se tlamiwang ke molao.

Ke a lemoga gore Mr Speaker o ntibile nako e tsamaile.

However, kwa bofelong ke ne ke ema go ema Honourable Letsholo nokeng mo Tshutisong e a tlang ka yone.

Ke dumela gore fa re le baeteledipele re tshwanetse gore re bone le rona re thuse seemo ka fa re ka thusang ka teng.
I thank you Mr Speaker.

MR SPEAKER: Thank you Honourable Minister.

Thank you very much.

Maybe before I call the next speaker let me remind the House that Honourable Kablay in his position as the Botswana Democratic Party (BDP) Chief Whip have submitted three names.

Honourable Monnakgotla is going to be the next speaker, thereafter Honourable Mangwegape and Honourable Balopi.

MINISTER ASSISTANT LOCAL GOVERNMENT AND RURAL DEVELOPMENT (MS MONNAKGOTLA): Thank you Mr Speaker.

Mma ke tswelele.
Mma ke tswelele.

Ke re ke a leboga… OF HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Interruptions!

)… MR SPEAKER: Your time is moving Honourable Monnakgotla and when you finish is Honourable Tshere.

MS MONNAKGOTLA: Ke re ke ema mogopolo o nokeng wa ga Motlotlegi Mopalamente Letsholo.
Kwa Lephateng le ke leng mo go lone la Local Government and Rural Development, re bereka thata le batho ba ba nnang kgakala le ditlamelo jaaka metse ya Rural Area Development Programme (RADP) e e tshwanang le bo Lepashe, Kutuku, Itholoke, Robelela, le Inalegolo, ba ba kgakala le ditlamelo.

Ba ba itirelang ka diatla, ba gantsi thata ba dirang kgwebo le Puso.

Mr Speaker, kwa metseng e batho ga ba na ditiro tsa sennelaruri, bogolo jang bomme le banana.

Bontsi jwa bone ba itshetsa ka lenaneo la Ipelegeng.
E bile ba bangwe ba thusiwa ka mananeo a Social and Community Development (S&CD).

Mr Speaker, bolwetse jwa COVID-19 bo amile itsholelo ya Batswana ba le bantsi fela thata.

Mo metseng ya RADP ke dumela gore mogopolo o re le Ntlo e, itsholelo ya Batswana tota e ka tokafadiwa ke Motion o, bogolo jang ke lebeletse metse e e kgakala le ditlamelo.

Jaanong Motion o o ya to support batho bale.

Last year fa re dira Molao wa Economic Inclusion re ne re supa fa molao o o itebaganya le Batswana ba ba rileng.
Jaanong nako e maleba gompieno jaana gore re dumalane gore mogopolo o, Motion o, o lebagane thata e bile le Batswana, bogolo jang ba RADP.

Ba ba ka kgonang gore ba nne le seabe sa go tsosolosa itsholelo le go itsosa bone, e bile ba kgone go dira dikgwebo le Puso.

Ke sone se o bonang ke re, Motion o I support it Mr Speaker.

Mo ngwageng wa madi wa 2022/2023 dikgaolo ka go farologana di tlaabo di neelwa madi a Constituency Community Project (CCP) go tsweledisa projects tsa tsone.
Re le Lephata la Local Government and Rural Development, tse di tlhabololang magae re eletsa gore ditiro tsa CCP di neelwe beng gae mo dikgaolong tsa bone, fela jaaka Motlotlegi Tona Serame a kaile mo pegong ya gagwe ya kgaologanyo ya madi a setšhaba.

Ke sone se o bonang ke re, ke ema Motion o nokeng.

Ngwaga o o fetileng Palamente e ne ya fetisa Molao wa theko le thekiso ya dithoto tsa Puso gore maphata a ithekele dithoto, mme PPADB e bo yone e lebelela gore a mme maphata ba tsamaisa sentle.
Dilo tse re ne ra dumalana re le Ntlo e. Le rona kwa Lephateng la Local Government re tlaa ema ka dinao go netefatsa gore a mme Dikhansele di diragatsa Molao o, o mosha wa Economic Inclusion le Public Procurement gore re tswelele pele, o re neng ra o dumalana re le Ntlo e, wa theko le thekiso.

Mr Speaker, kwa Kgaolong ya Kgalagadi North re na le banana le bomme ba ba dirang dikgwebo tse di potlana tsa theko le thekiso ya dithoto.

Ke dumela gore mogopolo o… HONOURABLE MEMBER: Le borre.
MS MONNAKGOTLA: Le borre.

O ka thusa gore ba tle ba kgone go atolosa kgwebo tsa bone ka go dira dikgwebo le Puso.

Re na gape le dikole tsa brigades di le pedi tse gotweng Macheng Brigade le Kang Brigade.

Macheng Brigade e le kwa Lehututu Mr Speaker.


Brigades tse di ruta ditiro 25 Hansard No 205Friday 18th March, 2022MOTION FOR THE ADJOURNMENT-DEFINITE MATTER OF URGENT PUBLIC IMPORTANCE tsa diatla, mme baithuti fa ba fetsa go ithuta ditiro tse ga ba na kwa e leng gore tota fela jaaka re itse gore ba dira tsa dikago, ba ithuta tsa dikago, ba ithuta tse di farologaneng, mme dikgwebo tsa bone thatathata fa ba fetsa ba lebile Puso, ka gore kwa Kgalagadi North ga re na industrial businesses.
Jaanong ke sone se o bonang ke re, ke ema Tshutiso e nokeng Mr Speaker, mme fela jalo ke re a Palamente le yone e dumalane le mogopolo o.

Re le rotlhe re dumalane ka gore, fela jalo re le Local Government re itse gore re ntsha madi a CCP, madi a re le Mapalamente re ye go bona gore re dira dikgwebo le beng gae, e bile bogolo jang re dira le banana, bomme, le borre fela jalo, gore ba tokafatse matshelo le itsholelo ya bone.

Fa re ka dira jaana re ka isa lefatshe la Botswana kwa pele.
Lehuma le eng di ya go fokotsega mo magaeng a rona, ka gore re tlaabo re itse gore re tlhamaladitse di le dintsi Mr Speaker.

Ke sone se o bonang ke re, ke ema mogopolo o nokeng.

Ka a le kalo ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

MR SPEAKER: Thank you Honourable Assistant Minister for Local Government.

We are now going to have Honourable Member for Mahalapye West, Honourable David Tshere.

MR TSHERE (MAHALAPYE WEST): Ke a leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente.
Ke emela go sa dumalana le mogopolo o. Sa ntlha ke leke gore ke alele mafoko ame ka Molaomotheo, fa o fang Palamente dithata on Section 86.

O fa Palamente dithata go dira molao, go direla molao for the peace, order and good governance of Botswana.
Jaanong our Standing Orders also expands go re fa dithata gape gore re nne le an oversight mo maphateng a a farologaneng, jaaka Palamente e tsweletse e dira, go na le ya Botsogo e e leng komiti ya me le nna, re dira oversight koo, go na le dikomiti tse di farologaneng tsa Palamente, tse ke tsayang gore tiro eo e a dirwa.

Se sengwe gape on 87(6) of the Constitution, Molaomotheo o re ga go na molao o o tshwanetseng gore o tsene mo tirisong before it is gazetted.
In other words, le fa o fetile molao gone mo Palamenteng mo ga o ka ke wa dirisiwa go fitlhelela o nna gazetted.

Ke Molaomotheo o buang jalo mo Section 87 (6).

Jaanong fa ke itebaganya le Molao-kakanyetso o o tsileng o, ke gore ke bona o le emotional, jealous and... HONOURABLE MEMBER: Motion.

MR TSHERE: Motion o o fa pele ga rona, o e leng gore ke gone fa ke tlhaloganyang ka teng, o kopa gore re tlole tsamaiso ya go dira melao e e tsamaisang ka thokgamo.
MR SPEAKER: Honourable Tshere, ke ne ke re go baakanyetse Motlotlegi Mopalamente wa me, mo ga se Molaokakanyetso, ke mogopolo.

MR TSHERE: Ehee!

Mogopolo.

Ke leboga thata... HONOURABLE MEMBER: mmaakanyeditse.

Re sale re MR TSHERE: Tanki, ke lebogile correction eo, ke mogopolo.
Mogopolo o ka fa ke o utlwang ka teng, o akanyetsa gore re ka tlodisa tsamaiso ya ka fa melao e dirwang ka teng, e e direletsweng gore lefatshe le le kgone go tsamaya sentle ka thitibalo, re e tlodise tsela eo, re diragatse molao o ise o nne ready.

Ke one mogopolo o o fa pele fa.

Ke one o ke o tlhalosang ka Molaomotheo gore o tlaabo o sa tsamaya sentle, ka gore Molaomotheo wa re o tshwanetse to be gazetted, mme to be gazette, ke gore o fete... HONOURABLE MEMBERS: Clarification.
MR TSHERE: Just a minute, ke tlaa le neela.

O tshwanetse o tsamaise ka ditsamaiso tse tsotlhe, including go saenwa ke Tautona, including go dira the guidelines, including gore ba Attorney General’s Chamber ba tle ba o beye monwana ke gone jaanong re bo re o gazette.

Honourable Morena Mmusi.

MINISTER OF INVESTMENT, TRADE AND INDUSTRY (MR KGAFELA): Point of clarification.

Ke ne ke re ke botse Motlotlegi gore economic inclusion... MR SPEAKER: Jaanong wena o itirile Speaker se sengwe koo, o aba eng?
MR KGAFELA: Intshwarele... MR SPEAKER: Please go ahead Honourable Minister, o setse o filwe ke mong wa leso.

MR KGAFELA: Ke ne ke re ke botse motlotlegi gore a Economic Inclusion Act, a ga a ka a bona gazettement ya yone ya di 26th November, 2021 jaaka a tlhalosa?

MR TSHERE: Good, thank you honourable, o ntsisa mo ntlheng e e latelang.

If it has been gazetted, then ke molao ka fa Molaomotheo o buang ka teng Honourable Mmusi.
Jaanong se ke neng ke batla go wela ka sone ke gore fa ke re o emotional, ke ne ke reeditse thata Tona wa Madi, ene o supa gore kana fa re sa fetise kakanyo e, ke gore jaanong batho ba ya go dira dikonteraka tsa bo three years go fitlhelela 2024, mo e leng gore golo mo go 26 Hansard No 205Friday 18th March, 2022MOTION FOR THE ADJOURNMENT-DEFINITE MATTER OF URGENT PUBLIC IMPORTANCE mo tena thata, mme kana ene o na le dithata gone jaana tsa gore o ka bolelela maphata a otlhe gore dikonteraka dingwe le dingwe tse di dirwang mo ngwageng one o, go simolola ka April 2022, di nne ngwaga fela or even six months.
We have powers to do that, ga o tlhoke gore o tle kwa Palamenteng go re bolelela jalo.

ke sone se e leng gore ba tshwanetse gore ba se dire.

Ga re batle gore e nne o kare le tshabela go laola Ministers mo Palamenteng, e bo e nna o kare re batla Palamente stepping down to come and do your job.

No, we should not ... HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification.
MR TSHERE: Se sengwe se ke neng ke batla go wela ka sone ke re, kana Domkrag e feletswe ke megopolo, ke ne ke kile ka utlwa... HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification.

MR TSHERE: Nnyaa, mma ke wele pele jaanong.
Fa ke santse ke ithuta dipolotiki ka bo 2011, go ne go na le Honourable; I always mention him, Honourable George Andre, he is an Honourable Councilor in Mahalapye District Council, o ne a etle a re a bua in the rallies ke bo ke tsaya gore o a tshameka waitse, a etla a re “Domkrag e feletswe ke dikakanyo gotlhelele, nako nngwe o tlile go bona e tla ka tlhogo ya ngwana e e tsentse mo bolekaneng jaana, e bo e re ke mogopolo ke o bagaetsho, a re o sekasekeng.” Re bo re re “heelang, golo mo ke tlhogo ya motho, a reng ne wena?” A bo a re “nnyaa mme a re e baakanyeng ee tlhogo ya motho, e nne mogopolo o o ka amogelesegang.” Nna ke bona mogopolo o e le one, e kare o tsile ka tlhogo ya motho gore re tle re buisanye o re ke mogopolo.
Tlhogo ya motho ga e ka ke ya nna mogopolo, ke molato, dilo tse o di buang.

HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Laughter!

)… MR TSHERE: E bile se sengwe gape se o ka se bonang, fa ke ntse ke utlwa ba bua mo dipolotiking ke tsaya gore ba a tshameka.

Ba re fa o batla go bona gore monna ke sekopa, o mmone nako e a bolaileng kgomo.
Fa a e bolaile, maitseboa jaanong a e beile mo fridge sentle e tsidifala, o tlaa mmona a tshwere dilaga jaana e le gore o beile fa marepoding a ntlo e le gore a re o batla gore a tshware dipeba.

Fa o mmotsa gore “ao!

e le gore o tsomelang dipeba o bolaile kgomo” a re “nnyaa, ke oketsa nama.” Ke sone se e leng gore re leka go se dira gone fa.

Dithulaganyo tsotlhe di teng, ga ke itse gore Honourable of Finance o sianetse kae, ba sha ntshu ba ogola eng ka ditsamaiso... HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification.
MR TSHERE: ...a ba fetse fela sentle, ga re tlhoke gore re tswe fa re re re bolaya dibepa go oketsa nama.

I will accept that clarification.

Thank you.

MR SPEAKER: Clarification sought, and granted.

Who is that Honourable Tshere; who is coming for the clarification?

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Kgafela.

MR SPEAKER: Honourable Minister, please go ahead.

MR KGAFELA: Point of clarification.


Ke utlwa motlotlegi, ke re ke mmotse gore kana gazettement e dirilwe, and then the law became an Act of Parliament, mme fa o lebelela tshetlana ya botlhano ya Interpretations Act, ya re molao o tlaa simolola go tsena mo tirisong either ka letsatsi le e leng gore it was gazetted ka lone, kgotsa fa e le gore go tlhophilwe letsatsi, o tlaa simolola ka letsatsi le le tlhophilweng.
Ke ne ke re ke botse Motlotlegi gore a ga a utlwe Rre Letsholo gore a re lona le le Matona, tlhophang letsatsi... HONOURABLE MEMBER: ... (Inaudible)... MR KGAFELA: Iketle pele, a re tlhophang letsatsi gore molao o o simolole go tsena mo tirisong.

It is an Act of Parliament, but its operation has not yet begun.

If I hear Rre Letsholo a re, tlhophang letsatsi Matona a Puso so that the law can come into operation, so that se e leng gore se mo teng, must then start to be implemented.
Ga o mo utlwe Rre Tshere gore that is all what Letsholo is asking for, gore we must appoint the date of commencement and it must be immediate sooner than later?

HONOURABLE MEMBERS: ...(Murmurs)... MR SPEAKER: Order!

Honourable Keorapetse, order!

MR TSHERE: Honourable Mmusi Kgafela, let me direct yourself to Section 87 (6) and if can read Mr Speaker... MR SPEAKER: Do quote Honourable Member.
MR TSHERE: Constitution of Botswana 87 Clause 6; “no law made by Parliament shall come into operation until it has been published in the Gazette, but Parliament may postpone the coming into of any such law and may make laws with retrospective effects.” If that is what you are asking Parliament to do, then it should come very clear gore o batla gore re re molao wa maloba o feta o simologe ka 2021, then we can do that, but that is not 27 Hansard No 205Friday 18th March, 2022MOTION FOR THE ADJOURNMENT-DEFINITE MATTER OF URGENT PUBLIC IMPORTANCE what mogopolo o o fa pele ga rona o. Ke sone se ke reng Mr Speaker, ke bona mogopolo fela o Domkrag e tsileng ka tlhogo ya ngwana ya re mogopolo ke o re o buisanyane.
HONOURABLE MEMBER: Elucidation.

MR SPEAKER: Elucidation, Nkawana o batla go oketsa nama?

MR NKAWANA: Point of elucidation.

Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

Honourable on the floor, golo mo ga o bone e le gore letshwenyego le le mo go bo Tona ke gore fa ba re ba tshogile gore tenders di tlaa lotlelelwa kwa ntle, ga se gore ke gone gore di tlaa ba lotlelela kwa ntle, ba batla gore di bulelwe gore batle ba tsene mo teng?
Ke bona ba tabogetse gore ba emise gore ba tshware terena yone eo... HONOURABLE MEMBER: Wena o mo tseleng Nkawana.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Re batla go go emisa Nkawana, o ntse o o ja o le nosi.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Nkawana o mo tseleng tota.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Nkawana jaaka Khawa e mo emetse jaana, o ntse o o ja o le nosi, re batla go ya Khawa le rona.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: ...(Inaudible)... HONOURABLE MEMBER: Point of order Mr Speaker.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Magodu a maDomkrag.


ga le dumalane ka se le sa se dumalaneng, a go bewe mabaka mo tafoleng.

Mongwe le mongwe o na le sebaka sa gore a bue, a reediwe.

Go tlhola go tliwa ka dilo fa tse e leng gore ga go dumalanwe ka tsone, ke bangwe ba tswa mo kganetsong, mme ga re nke re bona ba ba busang ba tsosa tlhatlharuane le modumo o o tsogileng mo Palamenteng.

Golo mo ga go supe boeteledipele le batho ba le fa ba romilwe ke batho gore ba tle go reediwa tse ba di buang.
People will make sense out of what we are saying if we want to reason with them, but fa Tona le mongwe ba re ba a bua ba tsenwa ganong go dirwa jaaka batlotlegi ba dira without exception mo go ba opposition, ga se gone bagaetsho.

Ke ne ke re a re reetsaneng, mogopolo lwa bofelo o tlaa tlhophelwa.

Fa e le gore it does not make sense ga go re sepe, the people will see and understand by putting across reasons.

Fa mabaka a fedile, a re tlhopheng go na le gore go bo go tsosiwa modumo o o tsositsweng jaana.
Ga ke itse gore gatwe mathata ke eng ka mogopolo o. I thank you Mr Speaker.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: What is the order Mr Speaker?

HONOURABLE MEMBER: A re tlhopheng, gape go weekend.

MR SPEAKER: Iketleng pele bagaetsho.

Thank you Your Honour.

O leka go nthusa mme ga gona sepe se se ka mpalelang gone fa.

Ga seo, le wena o mosupi wa sone.

Who is holding the floor?

You are left with 21 seconds.

Honourable Tshere.

MR SPEAKER: Let us have order please.


HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… HONOURABLE MEMBER: Re batla go ya Khawa le rona.

MR TSHERE: Ke lebogile thata.

Ke ne ke re molao o jaaka… MR SPEAKER: Order!

Honourable Minister.

Honourable Mmolotsi, we need to address other Honourable Members with decorum, ga go na magodu fa, we are Honourable Members, ke tlaa go leleka fa o bua jalo.

Honourable VP, what is your point of order.

LEADER OF THE HOUSE (MR TSOGWANE): Point of order.


Bagaetsho, go ka tswa go na le ba ba sa dumalaneng jaaka go a tle go nne teng, go se ke go dumalanwe, mme go tsosa modumo, le go tsosetsa setšhaba ka kwa ntle modumo o re o tsosang mo Palamenteng, cannot be in order, because fa e le gore HONOURABLE MEMBER: Mr Speaker… MR SPEAKER: Bagaetsho, can we have order!

Honourable Tshere is on the floor.

MR TSHERE: Thank you.


Ke ne ke digela fela jalo ke re this is a self-serving Motion o e leng gore ga o re thuse ka sepe, ga o ka ke wa thusa Palamente ka sepe.

Jalo, ga ke o dumalane.

Ke a leboga.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ba ipatlela tenders.

MR SPEAKER: Order!

28 Hansard No 205Friday 18th March, 2022MOTION FOR THE ADJOURNMENT-DEFINITE MATTER OF URGENT PUBLIC IMPORTANCE HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ba batla go ya Khawa.

MR SPEAKER: Honourable Member for Gaborone Central.
HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… MR MANGWEGAPE-HEALY (GABORONE CENTRAL): Thank you very much Mr Speaker.

Mr Speaker… HONOURABLE MEMBER: Go tulwe go tsena Balopi.

MR SPEAKER: Order Ramogapi!

Order!

MR MANGWEGAPE-HEALY: Ke ka tswelela sir?

Jaanong kakanyo ya rona ke gore re dire jaana gore golo mo re go kgone.

Bone ga ba rialo, ba re ba batla go batla se se yang go itsa gore re kgone go tsenya itsholelo mo diatleng tsa Batswana.
They are trying to find any obstacles they can find to stop gore budget ya 2022, e tswelele fela Batswana ba lebe matshetshetshetshe a madi a ntse a feta fela.

Jaanong kana… HONOURABLE Honourable Healy.

MEMBER: Clarification MR MANGWEGAPE-HEALY: mokaulengwe.

Ema pele HONOURABLE MEMBER: Healy, ke kopile clarification.

MR SPEAKER: Tswelela honourable.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Procedure Mr Speaker.

MR MANGWEGAPE-HEALY: Mr Speaker, kana se se batliwang fa se tlhamaletse.
Honourable Letsholo if you will let me quote Mr Speaker, a re… MR SPEAKER: Please do.
“That MANGWEGAPE-HEALY: this MR Honourable House resolves that all Government procurement/tenders that will be funded by the 2022/2023 budget, should immediately implement the commitment set out in the Public Procurement Act and the Economic Inclusion Act recently passed by Parliament, and that all Government ministries and procurement entities be directed and obliged to report to Parliament monthly.” O baakantse gone foo.
O rile Komiti ya Parliament ya Finance and Estimates “on all tenders that will be awarded pursuant to the 2022/2023 budget on how they have been taken.” Ka bokhutshwane, Motion o kopa gore bareki mo makalaneng a Puso ba dire gore melao e e fetisitsweng ke Palamente e e re leng mo go yone e wa Procurement le wa Economic Inclusion jaaka re simolola budget gone jaana, o bone gore molao o fa pelenyana jaanong fa procurement processes di ka tswelela fela under normal circumstances, go ya go diragala gore madi a le mantsi a fapaane le se re neng re leka go se dira ka melao yone e. Se re neng re leka go se dira ka melao yone e e ne e le go tsenya Batswana mo itsholelong, go oketsa seabe sa bone Mr Speaker.
MR MANGWEGAPE-HEALY: Kana Mr Speaker, these are the people who have previously used slogans like “bring back our jobs.” The people who have said things like… HONOURABLE MEMBER: Procedure Mr Speaker.

MR SPEAKER: Procedure, let us take a procedure.

MR MANGWEGAPE-HEALY: Is my time frozen?

MR SPEAKER: Let us hear it.

What is your procedure Honourable Mmolotsi?

MR MMOLOTSI: Mr Speaker, tota fela procedure ya me e ne e le gone gore a mme re a letlelesega gore re itsheke mo Ntlong e?
Ke tshwenngwa ke gone gore go na le Setswana se se reng fa o bona motho yo o sa itekanelang thata a kgotletsa molelo, o eme ka dinao.

Jaanong Mr Speaker, re ne re re o re tlhalosetse gore a mme re letlelesega go itsheka?

HONOURABLE MEMBER: He is wasting our time; there is nothing out of procedure.

MR SPEAKER: Honourable Mmolotsi!

A ko o iketle pele Healy.

MR MANGWEGAPE-HEALY: Ga se nna sir.

MR SPEAKER: Whoever is saying that, must keep quiet.
Honourable Mmolotsi… Mr Speaker, fa o reeditse batho ba nganga, ba gana, ke gore go na le gore ba re ee, gongwe jaaka ba leka gore molao wa re, wa re, ba ka bo ba re nnyaa, gongwe molao ga o ka ke wa re letla fa gore re dire se re batlang go se dira; go tsenya itsholelo mo diatleng tsa Batswana.

MR MMOLOTSI: Ke yo o kwa Dubai yo.

MR SPEAKER: Order!

Honourable Mmolotsi, what is wrong with you?

You are one of the oldest Members in this House but you behave like a one-year.
You 29 Hansard No 205Friday 18th March, 2022MOTION FOR THE ADJOURNMENT-DEFINITE MATTER OF URGENT PUBLIC IMPORTANCE are offending Standing Order 57.5; you are imputing improper motives on other Members of Parliament.

Please, do not do that.

Honourable Healy.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: O itirile teddy bear Mr Speaker.

MR SPEAKER: Keep quiet Honourable Rakgare.

MR MMOLOTSI: Per diem ya Dubai ga e mo tseye sentle.

ASSISTANT MINISTER OF HEALTH AND WELLNESS (MR LELATISITSWE): Clarification.
Thank you so much Mr Speaker.

Healy, a fa o reeditse ka fa Motlotlegi Rre Tshere a neng a bua ka teng, ga o tseye gore ke motho yo o tsentsweng mo pateng ke batho ba re lekang go sireletsa Batswana mo go bone?

Jaanong o tlile fa go tla go emela bone, o tlogetse Batswana ba Mahalapye ba e leng gore ba bannyennyane ba batla ditiro, ene o tsentswe ke bone batho ba mo pateng.

Ke sone se e leng gore o leka go… MR SPEAKER: Mmolotsi, a ko o didimale, ke tlaa go leleka kana.

A ko o tswelele Honourable Healy.


HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ahaa!

O tsaya chances wena wa tenders.

MR MANGWEGAPE-HEALY: Thank you Mr Speaker.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: O a bo o tswa mo tseleng, motho o tsenngwa mo pateng jang a le kanakana?

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Healy, ke kopa clarification tlhe mongwame.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Procedure Mr Speaker.

MR SPEAKER: Procedure on what?

What is your procedure?

MR THIITE: Procedure.


Mr Speaker, most of the time it appears gore o tshosetsa Mapalamente fa ba tsositse tlhatlharuane mo Palamenteng o sa ba tseele dikgato.

Ke ne ke botsa gore a go siame fela gore e ne e re everyday o ntse o didimatsa batho o re point of order mme ba tswelela ba dira selo se le sengwefela, mme o sa ba tseele dikgato Mr Speaker?

I thank you.

MR SPEAKER: Thank you very much Honourable Thiite.

Nnyaa, I am a very patient man.

The time is coming.
The time is coming.

These Standing Orders that I have, they give me so much power.

Ke tlile go leleka motho gone fa and ke ya go simolola ka Honourable Mmolotsi.

He is going to be the one that I am going to start with.

Honourable Healy.

MR MANGWEGAPE-HEALY: Nako ya me e tsamaya fa kae Mr Speaker?

HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… Thank MR MANGWEGAPE-HEALY: you Honourable Lelatisitswe.
Nnyaa, tota o wela mo my next point, yone e ke neng ke santse ke bua gore batho ba ne ba re file slogans tsa bo “bring back our jobs” le they will create a 100 000 jobs, ba duela P3 000.

Jaanong golo moo ke go tlhaloganya go tewa gotwe ke metlhala ya khumo; re tlile go direla Batswana metlhala ya khumo.
Jaanong fa the same people ba ba neng ba dira promises tsa go nna jalo ba fiwa tshono gotwe bagaetsho, re lemoga gore golo fa terena e ka nna ya re sia, ra rontsha Batswana tshono, a re lekeng go bona gore re ka dirisa eng mo molaong go leka go ithusa ka seemo se.
The same people, e bo e le gore they are finding every excuse ya go dira gore dilo tse di nne thata, then Honourable Lelatisitswe, I agree with you because we saw the same thing re le fa, go buiwa ka botsogo jwa Batswana le dikgang tsa tobacco but o ne o bona fela gore batho ba ba mo pateng ya the tobacco industry.
O kile wa utlwa Mopalamente gotwe ditlamorago tsa motsoko, di bolaya batlhophi ba gago, wena o bo o kelema fela o re nnyaa, ke batla gore go gogiwe wayawaya, golo mo go go bontsha gore these are captured people.

These are people in somebody’s pocket... MR SPEAKER: What is your point of order Honourable Ramogapi?

MR SPEAKER: Order!

O setse ka seven minutes Healy.

A ko o bue o fetse.

MR MANGWEGAPE-HEALY: I hope the time is frozen.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification Healy.


MR MANGWEGAPE-HEALY: Gakere ke batla go itse Mr Speaker.

Thank you Mr Speaker.

Jaaka ke ne ke bua… go ahead Honourable Lelatisitswe.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Wayawaya o raya eng ne monna?

MR SPEAKER: Let us have order please Honourable Motsamai.

What is your point of order?

30 Hansard No 205Friday 18th March, 2022MOTION FOR THE ADJOURNMENT-DEFINITE MATTER OF URGENT PUBLIC IMPORTANCE MR RAMOGAPI: Point of order.

Ke decorum of this House.


Mafoko a a reng batho ba tsentswe mo dipateng, ke ipotsa gore fa re ka a dirisa ra re batho ba tsentswe mo dipateng bo His Honour the Vice President (VP) le His Excellency (HE), a re tlaabo re tsamaya sentle?

Kana ba a re kgotla, ba re batho ba tsentswe mo dipateng, re tlaa ipusolosetsa Mr Speaker, kgalemela mafoko a. MR SPEAKER: Thank you very much Honourable Ramogapi.

It is very unfortunate ga ke a… ke mang ene yoo?


Bagaetsho, Standing... HONOURABLE MEMBERS: ...(Murmurs)... MR SPEAKER: Order!

Order!

Let us have order.

Standing Order 58.11; whatever we say and do, must be shrouded with decorum, and whoever is saying that word, a re bangwe ba tsentswe mo dipateng, the next word, you are going to go outside this House, and you will learn to address other Honourable Members properly.

Take your floor Healy, quickly.


MR MANGWEGAPE-HEALY: Thank you Rra Nkamo, kana they are breaking my flow, ga ke itse le gore nako e tsamaya fa kae.

MR SPEAKER: Four minutes.

MR MANGWEGAPE-HEALY: Thank you Rra Nkamo.


I am very glad for that ruling and for se Motlotlegi Ramogapi a se buang because these things, we come here for every day, o bo o reetsa members of the opposition using very unpalatable language, dipuo fela, o kgona go utlwa Honourable Yandani Boko a re batho ba tlisitse dimpa kwa Palamenteng.

So I am glad that they have a problem with the way we use language.

Neela Honourable Hikuama foo Mr Speaker, re tle re mo utlwe.

MR HIKUAMA: Clarification Mr Speaker.


Tanki Honourable Healy, ke go ratela sone se.

Mma ke botse jaana Honourable Healy gore, kana fa Tona wa Madi a tsiboga, o supile gore o batla gore re itlhaganele, re notlele, re neele maphata kana Minister dithata tsa go okomela maphata le se se diragalang, a mme golo mo ga se tiro ya bone ya letsatsi le letsatsi e ba ka e dirang fela go sena Motion?

Do you really need a Motion for a Minister to supervise se se diragalang mo lephateng la gagwe?
Se sengwe, a mme fa re dira jalo, a ga go na go nna le ka fa re ka sekisiwang ka teng ke ba ba setseng ba tsere tenders le ba ba setseng ba di bone?

Re raya gore melao ...(Interruptions)…Ke a leboga.

MR MANGWEGAPE-HEALY: Tla ke simolole ka ya bofelo, ke tsaya gore golo fa ga go buiwe ka tenders dipe tse di setseng di abilwe, golo fa go buiwa ka tenders tse di tlang, tse gongwe go ntshitsweng Invitation To Tenders (ITTs).
Jaanong kana tender fa o ise o e award ga go na yo o ka go sekisetsang gore o rileng kana o dirile eng, le fa o e abile go na le ditshetlana tse di go letlelelang gore o kgona to terminate tender, so ga ke bone moo e ka nna mathata.

Quickly, the other one o ne o reng?

MR HIKUAMA: Ministers ga di ka ke tsa kgona to reverse?

MR MANGWEGAPE-HEALY: Thank you.

Nnyaa, I do not think that is what is being said here.
Se se buiwang ke gore by the time molao o o effect, the normal process ya budgeting e tlaabo e setse e le fa pele ga rona.

Ga go reye gore Ministers ga ba na dithata, e bile ga ba dire tiro ya bone.

Gatwe Ministers ba kaediwe (guided) ke set principles tse di ba rayang di re, dirang jaana le jaana.

Jaanong mo principles tseo, ga go na se se ka ba thusang gore fa molao o setse o le kwa pele jaaka o le kwa pele, the implementation, go bo go tla gore kwa morago ba bo ba re nnyaa, a re direng jaana.
So it is a bridge between what Parliament has passed while waiting for it to happen, what the Ministers can do.

Ke go nyalanya dilo tse pedi sir, so ke bona fa e le gore re ikaeletse go thusa Batswana, maikaelelo a rona ke go tsenya Batswana mo itsholelong, we should do everything we can, re se ka ra diiwa ke go batla everything to the opposite se se dirang gore go nne thata gore re tsenye itsholelo mo diatleng tsa Batswana.

MR LEUWE: Clarification Mr Speaker.

Thank you.


Honourable Healy o mphitise fa ka bonakonyana fela gore, a la re re tlogele fela tenders di tswalele Batswana kwa ntle for three to four years, mme re ntse re itse gore jaanong ba tlaabo go sena gope fa ba bonang sepe teng for those four years tse go tlaabong go neetswe ba ba neetsweng re sa dirisa molao o?

Ke a leboga.

Thank MR MANGWEGAPE-HEALY: you Honourable Leuwe.


The take home of the debate ya members of the opposition is we must find every loophole e e leng teng go itsa Batswana gore budget ya 2020/2023 ba benefit mo go yone.

Re tshwanetse go leba ditshetlana tsotlhe tsa molao tse di dirang gore go nne thata gore Batswana re kgone go ba tsenya mo budget ya 2020/2023, that is the long and short of what they are saying.

Ba e bua ka diteme tse di sa tshwaneng, tse di farologaneng.
Rre Cater o tlaa bua ka Sembanderu, Rre 31 Hansard No 205Friday 18th March, 2022MOTION FOR THE ADJOURNMENT-DEFINITE MATTER OF URGENT PUBLIC IMPORTANCE Lucas o tlaa bua ka Sethobela, Honourable Keorapetse o tlaa bua ka go ja makakauwe, mme fela se ba se buang ke gore re ya go batla ditshetlana tsotlhe tse re ka di bonang tsa go thatafaletsa Batswana fa gore ba benefit in this budget.
Jaanong Mr Speaker, golo moo o tshwanetse gore o ipotse gore fa batho ba dira maitlamo, ba re ga re kgotsofalele gore itsholelo ga e mo Batswaneng, thatathata Batswana ba sekei, letsatsi le letsatsi ba opela pina eo... MR SPEAKER: Thank you.

Your time is up.

MR MANGWEGAPE-HEALY: Thank you very much Mr Speaker.

Ke dumela gore ...(Interruptions)… dilo tse tse ba di buang ke maithatisa batho fela.

Thank you very much Mr Speaker.

MR SPEAKER: Your time is up, please.


MR BALOPI (GABORONE NORTH): Ke a leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente.

Ke go dumedise le batlotlegi le Batswana kwa gae.

Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, gongwe ke simolole fela ke re ke ka maswabi thata go bona go tsogile tlhatlharuane mo Palamenteng, go buiwa ka kgang e e bosisi kante e e masisi jaana.
Kgang tota yone e ya gore Batswana ba ungwetswe go le kana ka eng mo itsholelong ya lefatshe le, ke kgang e e tshwanang fela jaaka re ntse re deal le dikgang tsa COVID-19 le HIV/AIDS in the past, it is a pandemic, it is a challenge.
It is a big challenge e ke tsayang gore mongwe le mongwe, o ka bo e re fa a e bua, a bo a e bua ka matsetseleko le masisi a a e tshwanetseng, le gore ope a se ka a fela pelo go buelela Batswana ka ditsela tse di farologaneng, ntswa go na le melao kana go tswa go na le ditsamaiso tse di teng, e bo e le gore go buelela Batswana, ke selo se re se tsayang re se baya mo setlhoeng.

Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, ke eme nokeng Tshutiso ya ga Rraetsho Honourable Thapelo Letsholo.
Ke e eme nokeng jaana ka gore o buelela Batswana, e bile ke sa batle gore ke tlhodumele mo go reng Tona o ka dira eng jaaka a setse a buile, e bile le ene a eme nokeng tsamaiso e, kana gore ke eng se se mo molaong se a neng a ka se dira ene a le nosi, kana ke eng se se setseng se beilwe mo Gazette se se kgoreletsang gore gongwe molao o o ka tswa o sa kgone go diragala mo bogompienong.
Konokono ya kgang ke gore a mme Batswana ba na le tshiamelo ya gore gone mo bogompienong jaana, jaaka re le mo Committee of Supply, jaaka re aroganya madi a re a beilweng pele ke Tona wa tsa Madi le Itsholelo, a re tsaya gore ba tlile go nna le tshiamelo ka bofefo.

Re bona bangwe ba supa go na le phatlha e tona thata gareng ga ba ba nang le ba ba senang mo lefatsheng la rona.

Re bona matshwenyego a le mantsi a a supang gore itsholelo ya lefatshe le, ga e mo diatleng tsa Batswana ba sekei segolobogolo.
Jaanong se se buegang gompieno se re fa tshono ya go dira gotlhe mo go teng, go gakolola le go lolamisa gore Tona le ba ba maleba, ba ba tshwanetseng gore ba thuse Batswana, ba kgone go dira jalo, ba sa diiwe ke dipe ka gore batho ba ba fang ditiro tse mo lefatsheng la Botswana, segolo jang jaaka re bua ka tenders tsa Puso, ke Batswana.
Ke bana ba rona, ke masika a rona, ke batho ba re tshelang le bone, ba ba itseng e bile ba bona, ba tlhomamisa gore itsholelo ya lefatshe la Botswana ga e mo diatleng tsa ba ba maleba mo bogompienong.

Ka jalo ke tsaya gore... MR HIKUAMA: Procedure.

Tanki Honourable Speaker.

Ke botsa fela gore… gongwe ke ne ke sa e leba sentle.

Fa o kare nako ya Motion e tšhaile jaana, ga ke a bona sentle?

O kare o feletse, 2 hours o kare o wetse.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Le mo mathateng.


MR SPEAKER: Thank you very much Honourable Member for Ngami.

You are extra ordinarily observant, Honourable Balopi is almost the last but one, at 12:11p.m.

I am calling upon the mover to summarise.

MR BALOPI: Ke a leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente.

Honourable Mojapane Hikuama, o se ka wa felela pelo go buelelela Batswana, le fa re ne re ka sutisa go le go nnyennyane fela re buelela Batswana, go ne go ka siama.
Ga re a tshwanela gore re nne re ikgakolola gore re Batswana, jotlhe bodiredi jo bo tshwanetseng gore bo tsaye karolo mo go abeleng ditirelo, bo tshwanetse bo itse gore Motswana o tla pele.

Le fa Motswana a dira phoso kana a dirile diphoso tse di rileng mo nakong e e fetileng, e a bo e le phoso ya motho a ithuta, a tshwanetse gore a rutuntshiwe.
Go mosola thata gore jaaka Rre Letsholo a re beile pele kgang e, re itse gore Tona le ene a sa tswa go re baya pele gore o eme nokeng Tshutiso e, to monitor gore go a diragala gore Batswana e nne baungwela bagolo, re se ka ra beelwa seelo se se leele pele ga re akola mo Kabong ya Madi ya 2022/2023.
Jaaka ke utlwile Tona a bua gore, ka bo June ke gone a bonang gore dingwe di tlaabo di diragala, tribunals tse ba tlaabong ba etse tlhoko dikgang tse e ka tswang e le dingongora go ya 32 Hansard No 205Friday 18th March, 2022MOTION FOR THE ADJOURNMENT-DEFINITE MATTER OF URGENT PUBLIC IMPORTANCE kwa pele, e tshwanetse gore e nne dilo tse di elwang tlhoko.

Dingongora Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente… ke kopa le beye nako foo ka gore ga ke e bone.
E tshwanetse gore e nne selo sa maloba ka gore batho ba ba dirang ...(Interruptions)… MR SPEAKER: You have 5 minutes left.

MR BALOPI: …ba tshwanetse ba elwe tlhoko thata, ba se ka ba dira gore go nne le dingongora.

Fa e le gore go dirwa sentle ka boammaaruri, ka matsetseleko, go sa lebelelwa gore ke mang yo o ka tswang a tshwanetse gore a fiwe tiro, dingongora di tlaa fokotsega.
Motswana mongwe le mongwe go tswa khutlong tse nne tsa lefatshe la Botswana, go sa lejwa gore ke Motswana yo o tswang fa go ntseng jang kana fa go rileng, o na le tshwanelo e e papametseng ya go ungwelwa.

E se ka ya re fa leina le tla le sa itsege, gongwe e se motho yo o ntseng a itsiwe a le mo dikgwebong tse di rileng, a le mosha, a ntshetswa kwa thoko ka leso legolo.

Dilo tse ke tsone di dirang gore la bofelo, batho ba nne ba ipona tsapa.
Mongwe maloba Tona o kare ke Rre Molale, a bua ka dikompone tsa bogologolo bo Tlhoraboroko, Boswe Construction le Botoka jalojalo, tse e neng e le tsa Batswana, mo bogompienong ke dikgang tsa maloba.
A re lekeng ka bojotlhe Tona gore, jaaka Tshutiso e re e ema nokeng e bile re re a re ye go wela kwa go yone, mme re ntse re itse gore molao o teng, e bile o na le dintlha tse di ka o tsamaisang, re emelele mongwe le mongwe kwa lephateng la gagwe, kwa dikgaolong tsa bone jaaka re le masome a matlhano le bosupa, re emetse dikgaolo tse di masome a matlhano le bosupa jaana, Mopalamente mongwe le mongwe e nne tiro ya gago go tlhodumela, gore tsotlhe tse re di buang fa di a diragadiwa go ya kwa pele.
Fa ke wela, re itse gore tsamaiso e ya lefufa, ya go gogela ba bangwe kwa tlase, ya go ja bangwe ntsoma ka ntata ya gore o batla gore ba ungwele mo lefatsheng, mme e se ba ba tshwanetseng gore ba nne teng, e nne selo sa maloba.

Re tshwanetse Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, re tle fela re papametse re bue ka lefufa le go gogela batho kwa tlase le go tlhoka go ratana ga rona re le Batswana.
Ke nngwe ya dikgang tse re yang go dira molao morago ga molao o mongwe, mme fela fa re sa tsene mo goreng go rata le go dira dilo ka tsamaiso e nne part of our Deoxyribonucleic Acid (DNA), le productivity kana go bona gore re dire dilo tse di re ungwelang re le Botswana, fa re sa dire jalo, re ya go tlhola re tsile fa re ngongoregela melao le ditsamaiso, ka ntata ya gore ga re ratane, re a fufagana, e bile re a tenegelana.
Dilo tse fa re ka se ke re kgone to address them, re tlaa felela re se batho ba sepe re le Batswana.

Le dikgang tsa monopoly, kana fa re bua ka tender, fa o tender o ya go reka mo go mang, o ya go reka mo mothong yo e ka tswang e se Motswana, go bo go raya gore wena ka kwa go akola ga gago, ke mo e leng mark- up fela o baya dilo.

A re simolole gore Batswana le bone ba fiwe ditshono tsa go nna le dithoto tse di ka rekwang, e seng ba neelwa tender gore ba ye go reka mo go yo mongwe.
Ka jalo, dilo tsa monopolies and franchises, e nne selo se Matona go ya kwa pele, ba Investment, Trade and Industry le Finance and Economic Development, ba di lebelele.

E se ka ya re motho a ya go fiwa franchise kana go rekisa dithoto tse di rileng go tswa kwa lefatsheng le lengwe, e bo go tswa koo ba tla ba mo raya ba re ke wena fela kwa Botswana yo o tlaabong o rekisa dilo tse o le nosi.

Re nne le melao e e kganelang gore go nne jalo.


Ke gakologelwa go kile ga nna le kgang nngwe ya Nando’s, ga ke batle go tsena thata mo go yone, kwa Palapye.

Le mo bogompienong jaana go santse go na le dikgang tse dingwe.

A re simolole go itse gore fela jaaka o ne o bua Tona Serame, …(Inaudible)… gore Peggy Serame o kgona go rekisa difofane a sa di dire, a Batswana ba itse, ba kgone gore e bile re kganne batho ba ba tlaa tlang ba itiretse arrangements outside this country.
Ba tla ba re wena Rre Brooks, ke wena fela o tlaabong o supply dipoo tsa Simental kwa Botswana.

Nnyaa, a go se ke ga nna jalo, re nne le melao, ke sa reye gore Rre Brooks o teilwe jalo, ke mo dirisa fela e le sekai.

A re nne le melao e e kganelang dikgang tse, re itsamaisetse, re itse gore rotlhe re ba ungwela bagolo ba re tshwanetseng re phatlalatse ditirelo, re tle re kgone gore itsholelo ya rona e gole, go rekwa mo go rona e bile go rekwa go sa lejwa gore wena o neetswe eng, ga o a neelwa eng.
Ka jalo ke eme Tshutiso e nokeng, ka gore ke nngwe ya Ditshutiso tse fela jaaka a ne a bua maloba, re bua ka dingwe tsa gore Batswana ba simolole go rekisa dikoloi, ba di baakanye, ba rekise parts, ba se ka ba fiwa tenders go ya go reka parts golo gongwe kwa bone ba sa kgoneng go tsena mo seemong seo.
Ke tsaya gore re ka tswelela re le lefatshe la Botswana fa re dira jalo, re se ka ra lebelela fela Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente gore… o tlaa bona gore go na le dikgwebo dingwe, re sa ntshe bangwe ka leso legolo, fa o ka ela tlhoko, dikgwebo tse di tshwanang le tsa transport, a 33 Hansard No 205Friday 18th March, 2022MOTION FOR THE ADJOURNMENT-DEFINITE MATTER OF URGENT PUBLIC IMPORTANCE ke operating taxis, buses or anything, o tlaa fitlhela go sena batho ba o fitlhelang ba ganeletse mo dikgwebong tse dingwe tse ditona thata mo teng.
Bone ke ba ba rekisetsang batho buses, parts, ba ba direla service, ba bangwe bone ke go kgweetsa fela, ba ba tseela madi, ba bo ba nna ba tsamaya ba ya go ba neela se se ba tshwanetseng nako le nako.

Ke fa sekai fela, mme di dintsi tse ke ka fang dikai ka tsone.

no confidence in the Government to administer what it has been given on a silver platter, gore tsayang melao ke e, implement Economic Inclusion.

Ensure that tenders di ya kwa Batswaneng.


You come back to us again, gore re tle go ntsha Motion gore dirang se molao o se le fileng gore le se dire.

I do not know why they cannot realise that this Motion, declares their incompetency as a Government.

Go na le sekai kwa kgaolong ya me, rre mongwe o bidiwa Salang.
O ntse a rekisa optical lenses, a kwalela kwa Botswana Medicines Regulatory Authority (BoMRA), a tewa gatwe wena o ka se ke o rekise lenses, but frames di siame ka gore ga gona science mo teng e e kalokalo.

Maabane jaana o letse a nteleditse a re, ba emisitswe botlhe ba ba ntseng ba rekisa frames fela, gatwe nnyaa, frame le yone ba tshwanetse gore ba ye kwa kae.

O a lela a re ke gone fa a neng a tsenya bana sekole teng.
Ke bua fela gore, ga se mongwe le mongwe yo o batlang tendering, ntswa re bulela kgang e gore tenders di neelwe Batswana, ba bangwe ba batla go itshimololela, ba iteka ka dikgwebo tse di nnyennyane.

A re lekeng gore re ba babalele, re ba thuse, re fokotse mosuke wa tenders, Batswana ba kgone gore ba tsene mo dikgwebong ka bophara.

Ke a leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente.

MR SPEAKER: Thank you Honourable Member for Gaborone North.
There is one minute left, I do not know whether Honourable Member for Okavango as you are supposed to be the next one, you want to take a risk on the remaining two minutes before I call... HONOURABLE MEMBER: Letsholo o ka fa mo fa five minutes mo nakong ya gagwe.

MR SPEAKER: Order, order, ke bua le Kapinga, ga ke bue le wena.

Honourable Kapinga, can you take a chance on the remaining two minutes?

MR KAPINGA (OKAVANGO): Thank you Mr Speaker.


I just want to underscore issue ya gore fa gotwe batho ba ntsha tenders with the sole objective of frustrating the laws that have been passed by this Parliament, the question that one asks ke gore, those people ba bereka ka fa tlase ga bo mang?

I see people declaring their lack of responsibility, they have neglected their duties, jaanong ba batla gore Palamente e tle e ba tseele resolution gore ba dire tiro ya bone.
Mr Speaker, we have passed the law and empowered the Ministers, the Government should do its job.

Motion o, ga ba lemoge gore it is a declaration of Mr Speaker, se sengwe se e leng gore the Minister of Finance decided to skirt around ke gore, molao o, is it in operation?

Ga a tswa a tlhamaletse gore molao o, is in operation.

Fa e le gore it is in operation as we assume it is in operation, then they should do their job.
Yo o ntshang tenders with the intention to frustrate Government Policy, a ba mo tseele dikgato.

Ba na le dithata tse ba di filweng ke molao, which they are failing to exercise.

A ba mo tseele dikgato ba netefatse gore the tenders are issued in line with Government Policy.

E tšhaile.

MR SPEAKER: Thank you so much Honourable Kapinga.

Honourable Letsholo, you have 20 minutes go garela.

I know you can do it in less than that.

MR LETSHOLO (KANYE NORTH): Ke a go leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente.
Mma ke simolole ka go leboga Batlotlegi Mapalamente ba ba kgonneng go ntsha lentswe le ba ba sa bonang sebaka sa gore ba ntshe lentswe.

Ke itse gore le fa ba sa kgona jalo, mo meweng ya bone ba na le the interest ya Batswana at heart.

Ke leboge ba ba kgonneng go akgela mo go utlwalang ka mewa le dipelo tse di ntle tse di tlhokometseng tswelelopele ya Batswana le lefatshe la rona la Botswana.
Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, se ke se itumelang ke go lemoga gore tota fa re le fa jaana re le Mapalamente, le fa re ka tswa re farologana ka mebala kana dikereke tsa rona, re lebeletse lefatshe la rona le gore megopolo yotlhe ke e e lebeletseng gore le tswelele pele.

Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, batlotlegi ba bangwe ba ne ba bua gore molao o, was not gazetted jaaka go tshwanetse.

Ke ba gakolole gore go ya ka nna, Molao-kakanyetso was gazetted, wa boa wa tla Palamenteng.
Re ne ra dumalana le one wa saeniwa gore e nne molao.

Jalo he, re buisana ka one jaana re itse gore ke molao, ga o sa tlhole o akanyediwa.
Batlotlegi, ke dumela gore fa melao e fetisitswe ke Palamente, mme re bo re lemoga gore golo gongwe Matona kana Puso ga e diragatse se melao eo e se tlhokang, tota ga re a siamelwa ke go itshopara fela re re, Matona kana 34 Hansard No 205Friday 18th March, 2022MOTION FOR THE ADJOURNMENT-DEFINITE MATTER OF URGENT PUBLIC IMPORTANCE Puso ke yone e tshwanetseng e dire, fa ba sa dire ba tlaa ipona, nnyaa.

Ke dumela gore re le Mapalamente, re tshwanetse fa re bona go nna jalo, re tsholetse lentswe.
Re tle fa Palamenteng jaaka re tshwanetse, re tle go bua gore golo fa re bona o kare ga go tsamaye sentle kana sengwe se salela morago.

Re gakolole gore Matona kana Puso e tsiboge go dira tse Palamente eno e di dumalaneng.

Fa ke akgela mo dikakgelong tsa Mapalamente, ke tlhaloganya Tona Serame a ne a bua gore ba mo tsamaong, ba baakanya melawana (regulations), structures tse di tlhokafalang gore melao eo e nne into real effect.
Mr Speaker, ke gakologelwa gore fa re fetisa melao e, go ne go sena gope fa e reng, fa re sena go e fetisa, ga e na go bereka ka gore melawana ga e ise e nne teng.

It was not a material requirement of that law gore for it to be operational, go bo go kile ga fetisiwa melawana, ga dirwa structures kana gatweng.

Fa re re fetisitse jaaka Honourable Kapinga a ne a bua, ke molao, re solofela gore o dirisiwe.
Mr Speaker, kgang ya me gompieno ga e mo go reng a molao o a dirisiwa kana ga o dirisiwe, it is in place or not and is it operational.

Se ke se buang ke gore, fa re le Palamente re fetisitse molao, ga re ka ke ra amogela gore go bo go diriwa ditsamaiso dingwe tse di kgatlhanong le o re o dirileng.

We cannot allow any process that undermines the laws that we have passed as Parliament.
Palamente e Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, ga e ka ke ya dira melao, e bo e letlelela gore Matona kana Goromente, a itseye o kare ga e ise e fetisiwe, ga e yo.

Re tshwanetse re itshware jaaka molao o le teng.

Fa ke ntse ke tsamaela fa pele, re itebaganye le boteng jwa melao eo; the spirit of those laws and Acts.

Fa re lebelela budget ya gompieno, re kopa Goromente a diragatse gore mowa wa melao eo, o bo o le mo teng.

Ditshwetso tsa molao oo, di diragale jaaka go tshwanetse.
Mr Speaker, ke tlhalose gore Tshutiso ya gompieno, re le Mapalamente re tseye tshwetso ya gore kgang e re ntseng re e akgela mo kabong ya madi, ya gore re batla gore Batswana ba se ka ba tswalelwa kwa ntle fa go fiwa ditirelo tsa Puso, segolobogolo ka budget ya 2022/2023, re dumalane le yone.

Seo ke sone se kakanyetso ya gompieno e se batlang.

Batswana ba se ka ba tswalelwa kwa ntle dingwaga tse tharo kana tse nne jaaka go ntse go buiwa.
Fa o ka ela tlhoko, o tlaa bona gore batlotlegi fa re ka emela dingwaga tse four, gongwe bangwe ba rona re tlaabo re se yo gone fa.

Re sa tlhole re le mo Palamenteng ka gore e tlaabo e le morago ga ditlhopho.

Jaanong go batla melao e re dira gore e diragale ka bonako.

Re bone mosola wa yone re santse re le fa.

Re ka e baakanya fa e le gore go na le sengwe se se tlhokang go baakanngwa.
Ke eletsa gore e re fa re tlaa tswelela fa pele, re dumalane batlotlegi ka gore mongwe o ne a botsa gore what will be the next step; e bo e le gore Tona kana Permanent Secretary to the President (PSP) ka ke ene yo o eteletseng bodiredi kwa pele, a bo a ntsha mokwalo ka Mosupologo o o tlhamaletseng gore a tenders kana dikopo tsa ditirelo tse di duleng, di baakanngwe.

Go netefatswe gore di tsamaisana le mowa wa melao e Palamente e e o dirisitseng.
Go gontsi mo Puso e ka go dirang gore ditiro di se ka tsa salela kwa morago.

E tloga e re kamoso re bo re re le diega ka ditirelo ka gore ba kgona go dira Request for Quotation (RFQ).

Mongwe o ne a bua a re tsa one year, six months kana eng fela gore mme Batswana ba kgone go oba letsogo.

DR GOBOTSWANG: On a point clarification.

Ke a go leboga Mr Speaker.

Ke a go utlwa Honourable Member.

Go ne go ka nna monate fa e le gore tota Minister go tlhamaletse gore o ikaegile ka molao ofe?
Fa o tlhotlhomisa mabapi le kgang e, mo molaong wa PPADB, a ga go na gope fa Minister of Finance a nang le dithata tsa gore o ka ntsha taelo ya gore go name go engwe ka tenders tse di fetang, let us say nine months?

Botlhe ba ba rekang dithoto tsa ga Goromente ba name ba eme.

Fa e le gore go na le ba ba batlang go feta nako e Minister a e akantseng, ba boele kwa go Minister ba ntshe mabaka gore they can be exempted.

MR LETSHOLO: Ke a go leboga Honourable Gobotswang.


Ke go gakolole fela gore molao wa PPADB ga o sa tlhola o le mo tirisong.

Jaanong tota fa a kare o ya koo, owaii!

o tlaabo a ile go sele.

Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, se ke se buang gompieno ke gore, Tona a ititeye ka thupana.

A ye go bona gore tsamaiso le mowa wa kgang e Honourable Gobotswang a e buang o diragale ka molao o mosha wa gompieno le ka tshwetso e e tlaabong e tserwe ke Palamente.
Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, mma ke fetse ka gore ke tsaya gore re a buile, one ga a ke a felela.

Re sa ye lololo, re e tlogele fela gone fa.

Ke… HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ke kopa tlhaloso o ise o wele.
MR LETSHOLO: … this Honourable House resolves that all Government procurement or tenders that will be funded by the 2022/2023 Budget should immediately implement the commitments set out in the Public Procurement … 35 Hansard No 205Friday 18th March, 2022MOTION FOR THE ADJOURNMENT-DEFINITE MATTER OF URGENT PUBLIC IMPORTANCE HONOURABLE MEMBER: Gatwe go kopiwa tlhaloso.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ba go tseela nako, move.

MR LETSHOLO: Fa Mr Speaker a go letlelela, o ka dira clarification.

MR SPEAKER: O ka nta.


MR KGAFELA: Clarification.
Motlotlegi, fa ke go utlwa pila o kopa fela gore Ntlo e e ntshe lefoko la gore Matona ba e leng maikarabelo a bone go tlhomamisa gore molao o o tsena mo tirisong ka go tlhopha letsatsi, o gakolola fela gore fa e le gore go na le bogakolodi bangwe ba ba reng a go emelwe regulations pele, wena fela se o se buang ke gore nnyaa, bagaetsho Matona ba tlhome malatsi gore criminal sanction part ya these laws immediately comes into effect gore ope modirelapuso yo e leng gore he will be non-compliant, instead of facing an administration sanction which itself might open us to labour disputes and labour litigation, all you want is a heavier hammer ya gore non-compliance immediately could attract criminal sanction which will only become effective fa rona Matona re sena go nna e le gore we have appointed days.
For instance, you are urging upon me gore as soon as it can be done, if you can do it on Monday, please say the law comes into operation on Monday.

I hear you correctly Honourable Member gore that is the simplicity of your request.

MR LETSHOLO: Ke a leboga Motlotlegi Tona, o e tshwere fela sentle.

Le gore fa go ka tsaya nakonyana mme gone mengwe ya melao e yone o bo o setse o le mo tirisong gore Batswana ba kgone go akola mosola wa melao e le meamuso ya lefatshe la rona mo budget ya 2022/23.
Honourable Speaker, I now take the opportunity to move that the Motion be agreed to.

I thank you Mr Speaker.

Question put and Division called for.

MR SPEAKER: No problem, we are going to vote.

Le fa re ka tswa fa ka 4, ga ke na mathata.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Nna ke a gana.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Rona re a gana.

MR SPEAKER: Order!

We are ringing the bell.

We are voting.

sentle.

You cannot have bo Honourable Lelatisitswe ba vote “yes” o bo o re “the Ayes have it” ba bo ba re division.
MR SPEAKER: Ke dumalana le wena ngwana wa ga mogolole and thank you very much for noting such people.

I have already made a decision, we are going to vote and Honourable Lelatisitswe fa e le gore ke ene a re tsentseng mo mathateng one a, I am going to eye him very punitively.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Re batla go bona ba ba ganang.

MR TSOGWANE: Point of order.

Mr Speaker, my point of order is that kana the Leader of the Opposition has called for procedure.
When someone is calling for procedure, you have to rule gore a mme jaanong go procedural kana nnyaa so that you set precedence for future rules.

Jaanong fa go nna jaana go sena any reference to future rules when a procedure has been raised, re ya go nna le bothata.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Further procedure on what the Vice President (VP) is saying.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Further procedure.

MR SPEAKER: Let us have order bagaetsho.


There is no Standing Order that allows anybody to talk like someone who says “further procedure.” What Standing Order is that?

You cannot even quote it.

Bagaetsho, much as I understand and agree to what His Honour the Vice President is saying, Standing Order 59.1 has empowered me to make a ruling gore we are going to vote.

People will learn to take… HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible)... MR SPEAKER: Order!

…(interruption)… be taken seriously, ga go tshamekelwe fa.
Clerk, we are voting.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: VP o a go gakolola, a ko o reetse.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: O ka re division go sena motho yo o ka supang gore o biditse division?

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ke nna yo ke neng ke re division.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Wena mang?

MR SALESHANDO: Point of order.

Kana gore go nne le division, e bitswa ke yo o belaelang gore ga o a rule HONOURABLE MEMBER: Mr Speaker, o setse o tsere decision, a re tlhopheng.
36 Hansard No 205Friday 18th March, 2022MOTION FOR THE ADJOURNMENT-DEFINITE MATTER OF URGENT PUBLIC IMPORTANCE HONOURABLE MEMBER: Honourable Leuwe, o tsere tshwetso mme e e sa tlhokafaleng.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Tshwetso ya gagwe ga e ganediwe, a re tlhopheng.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Le batla go sia ka sepatšhe.

MR SPEAKER: Order!
MR SPEAKER: Order!

Honourable Member for Palapye, le wena o nkutlwe morena wa me VP, I am going to read you what Standing Order 62.1 (a) says, “a member challenges the statement of the Speaker or Chairperson that he or she says that the Ayes or Noes have it by claiming a division.” So anybody …(interruption)… the right to challenge my decision jaaka ke ne ke rile re vote.
So, I am applying this Standing Order that I want us to vote and the people will learn to take Parliament business seriously, we are voting.

HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… MR SPEAKER: Order!

Order, Nkawana.
CLERK: MEMBER’S NAME His Excellency Dr Masisi Honourable Autlwetse Honourable Balopi Honourable Boko Honourable Brooks Honourable Billy Honourable Dr Dikoloti Honourable Dr Dow Honourable Gare Honourable Dr Gobotswang Honourable Greeff Honourable Hikuama Honourable Kablay Honourable Kapinga Honourable Kekgonegile Honourable Keorapetse Honourable Kereng Honourable Kgafela Honourable Khama Honourable Dr Kwape Honourable Lesedi Honourable Lelatisitswe Honourable Lesaso Honourable Dr Letsholathebe Honourable Letsholo Honourable Leuwe Honourable Lucas Honourable Majaga Honourable Makwinja AYE NO ABSTAIN ABSENT √ √ √ √ √ √ √ √ √ √ √ √ √ √ √ √ √ √ √ √ √ √ 37 Hansard No 205Friday 18th March, 2022MOTION FOR THE ADJOURNMENT-DEFINITE MATTER OF URGENT PUBLIC IMPORTANCE Honourable Manake Honourable Mangwegape-Healy Honourable Mathoothe Honourable Dr Matsheka Honourable Mmolotsi Honourable Mmusi Honourable Moabi Honourable Moagi Honourable Moatlhodi Honourable Modukanele Honourable Mokgethi Honourable Molale Honourable Molao Honourable Molebatsi Honourable Monnakgotla Honourable Morwaeng √ √ √ √ √ √ √ √ √ MR SPEAKER: Order!
Order!

Honourable Members, Standing 26.1 ya re fa go le letsatsi jeno jaana Palamente e tšhaise ka 12:30 p.m. Go raya gore ka gore nako e tšhaile next week Friday re tlaa tla re tswelela ka voting.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Akere mme voting e tlhola e digelwa.

HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… MR SPEAKER: Under which Standing Order?

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ka discretion ya ga Speaker.

HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… MR SPEAKER: Order Ramogapi!

Honourable Leader of the House, move a Motion of adjournment.
LEADER OF THE HOUSE (MR TSOGWANE): Mr Speaker, my name is called, but I have not heard in what connection.

Ke ne ke ithaya ke re wa re a ba bua nnete borre Keorapetse.

Ke re, ee, ke nnete your discretion can still prevail go digela vote.

MR SPEAKER: Under which Standing Order?

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Discretion ya gago.

MR SPEAKER: Under which Standing Order?

HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… MR SPEAKER: Order!

We use Standing Orders here, we do not use discretion.
Your Honour, can you move… HONOURABLE MEMBER: Standing Order 2.1 empowers you.

MR SPEAKER: Reetsa!

Until and unless His Honour the Vice President can move an extension of time as per Standing Order 27.1.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ga go ke go diragala jalo.

MOTION 38 Hansard No 205Friday 18th March, 2022MOTION FOR THE ADJOURNMENT-DEFINITE MATTER OF URGENT PUBLIC IMPORTANCE ADJOURNMENT LEADER OF THE HOUSE (MR TSOGWANE): Mr Speaker, I do not want to cause conundrum for you.

So I will move as you requested.


I move that this House do now adjourn.

Question put and agreed to.
The Assembly accordingly adjourned at 12:31 p.m. until Monday 21st March, 2022 at 2:00 p.m. 39 Hansard No 205Friday 18th March, 2022MOTION FOR THE ADJOURNMENT-DEFINITE MATTER OF URGENT PUBLIC IMPORTANCE HANSARD RECORDERS Mr T. Gaodumelwe, Mr T. Monakwe, Ms T. Kebonang HANSARD REPORTERS Mr M. Buti, Ms Z. Molemi, Mr J. Samunzala, Ms N. Selebogo, Ms A. Ramadi, Ms D. Thibedi, Ms G. Baotsi HANSARD EDITORS Ms K. Nyanga, Ms C. Chonga, Mr K. Goeme, Ms G. Phatedi, Ms B. Malokwane, Mr A. Mokopakgosi, Ms O. Nkatswe, Ms G. Lekopanye, Ms T. Mokhure, Ms B. Ratshipa LAYOUT DESIGNERS Mr B.
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