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l'1·e..,enlLEGISLA'l'IVE 471 ille111be1·s LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL.

COUNCIL.

South).

Annoimcement 4 72 The Hon.

J. Gons,Llves (Georgetown 1'nesclay, 14th Jmie, 193z.

The Hon.

A. E. Seeram, (Eastem Dem­ erara).

The Council mf't pursuant to }�djourn­ ment, His Excellencv J ONES, C.l\'I.G., the· Ofticp1• Administering the Government, the Hon.

C. DouGLAS­ PreHident , in the Chair.

The Hon.

Jung Bahadur Singh (Dem­ erara-Essequebo ).

MINUTES.
MINUTES.

The minutes of the meeting of the CoUI\cil held on the 8th June, as printed and circulated, were confirmed.

The Hon, the Colonial PRESEN'l' .

Secretary, Major B. Litt.

W.Bain Gray, M.A., Ph.D (Edin.

), (Oxon), (Acting).

ANNOUNCEMENT.

'l'he Hon.

the Attorney-General , Mr. F. J. J: F. McDowell (Acting.)

The Hon.

P. James Kelly, C.B.E., M.B., Ch.

B., Surgeon-GeneriLl.

-� The Hon.

F.·:Dias O.B.E.

(Nominated U noflicial Memb�r ) •.

The Hon.").

08.

Dash, B.S.A., Dirnctor M1·.


D'ANDRADE (Comptroller of Customs): I am the bearer of the follow­ which takes to the Council, ing Message the same ·the place of the Message number communicated the 7th June :- to the Council on bearing M 1!

:SSAG E No.

15.

Honourable Members of the Legislath-e Council, of Agriculture.'

........ r"I kJi !

Essequebo ).

:.-J" · .

•'Ii .

� ... iP,'-< The,:,Hon.

�:, E. Brassington (Western The _liQn.

W. A.

D'Anclmde, Comp­ troller of.

Customs.

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"\# � ;;J � The" Hoiu M. B. G. Austin (Nominated Unofficial ¥�mber ).

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The Hon.

B..., R:.. Wood, M.A., Dip.

For.

(9anta.11,:), Coµservator of Forests.

The Hon.

S. H. Bayley,· General Transport and Harbours Depart­ Manager, ment Major the Hon.

J. C. Craig, D.S.O., M.E.I.C., Director of Public Works.

The Hon.

J. Mullin, A.I.M.M., F.S.I., Commissioner of Lands and Mines.

The Hon.

E. F. McDavid, Colonial Treasurer (Acting).


I have the honour to invite the Council of the steps which Government to has Gnima .Fruit a.ad the British approve taken to assist Co., Ltd. Ca.uning 1930, Mr. of granting to occupy 100,000 acres of Crown River (in lands from Dunoon t'l of the tract surveyed Bauxite Co , Ltd.) 2.

By letter dated 27th November, A.V.
Crane on behalf of Messrs. C. J. and to con­ Government A. J. da Silva requested an Exclusive sider the question Permission land on the left bank of the Demerara the rear of the private boundary the northern and Colonial for the British for the purpose of cultivating a. fruit canoing and of esta.bli�hing The applicauts (later iucorporate1 as the Fruit and Cauniug British Company incorporated Ordinance, (Cons ,Jidation) asked for concessions trow Customs duties, genera.Uy.
conveyed the following exemption as regards and from to.xation on 10th March, 1931, to grant set out.

, under the Companies Chapter 178), also to the applicants concessions 3.A lease, without the option of purchase 47,460 acres of land within its decision as hereafter the pineapple industry.

Government l{uia.na.

Co., Ltd , a of approximately the area specified terms :- on the following (a)First five yen.r, to be free of rent.
_(b) a nominal rental pa.id during the succeeding of $800 a year to be ten years.

of the leaee at the option of (c)Renewal The Hon.

E. G. Woolford, K.C.

(New Amsterdam).

The Hon.

A. V. Crane, LL.B.

(Lond.)

(Demerara River).

The Hon.

Percy C. Wight, O.B.E.

(Georgetown Central).

The Hon.

A. R. F. Webber, F.R.G.S.

(Western Berbice).

the Company for a further teen yea.rs at a rent to be agreed upon.

period of fif.
period of fif.

of expenditure (d)Guarantee on the cultivation annually ment of the area of an increasing snm of to $50,000.

money ranging by the lessees and de,·elop• from 810,000 (el Royalty to be paid on all liru bcr and removed from the land in i'orelit terms of the Crown Lands Regulations.

produce 473 Government Not'ice 14 JUNB, 1932.

Pet1·oleum Bill 47 4 a fit-st time him to introduce "A Bill further to amend the Customs Duties Ordinance, and have 1·ead 1930."
(/) Government a canning pineapples in within a of 20 miles of the land leased to not to grant &uy Crown lands to otben for establh;hing or for cultivating factory with such factory connection .

distance the Company ; or for establishing or cultivatin� canning fruit already being canned for canning purposes within a distance said.

by the Company of 10 miles as afore• or cultivated any other facto,y a to be (g)No further woodcut tin� licences in the area leased and the ques.
licences of existini: until the are& is sur.

er of Lands any such granted tion of renewal held in abeyance veyed and the Commission and Mines can advise whether licences should le renewed or not.

to be duty free, of plant., implements, required !Ilaterials, for use in the canning and prepara�ion for the A Bill amending the equip.

4, The admiseion, tools, machinery, ment and apparatus cultivation, market of pineapples.
Schedule l<'onrth n&nce to provide such articles should be so admitted introduced sideration.

as, in the opinion during ibis session to the Customs Duties Ordi• for the admission duty free of of Government, will be on importation for your COD· ;i.

-An undertaking that ,no tax wonld be of the produce of the industry levied, in respect for, a period c,f twenty-five has, however, 6.

Government years.
Government years.

made it clear to "' its venture, treatment nor the privilege the Compa.ny that it will not enjoy a monopoly as ngards any favourable be accorded mining for mete.I�, minerals wit.bin the occupied tiom1 which would confer any particular advantage company or corporate ing permission.

thRt may uf stones and precious area on any terms or co11di­ by any other person, body, in vir�ue not enjoyed of a min­ C. DOUGLAS.JONES, Officer Administering the Government, PUBLIC HEALTH BILL.
to no Mr. Webber: Will you permit-me, sir, of Government the Public Health Bill available lLnd also that the Local with hiwe not been supplied of to draw the attention the fact that there are practically copies of for distribution, Authorities copies.
I suggest the advisability number, a sufficient placing as my own constituency the District Local Authority recommendations to make to the Committee -at leMt so far is concerned, with to let each · have a copy to make such as they may .. be i:lisposed Commissioner now sitting.

TaE COLONIAL SECRETARY (Major Bain Gray): We sent out a limited num­ ber, roughly half.a-dozen, Commissioners.

them with any furth.�r Qopies that may be available.
We will try to supply to the District 'l'HE PRESIDENT : I anticipate, in, the of the Select light of the deliberations that the Bill will be so Committee, amended that it is hardly worth while hav­ ing it be very much better when the Bill is to htwe sufficient introduued trihution.

rept'inted, and I suggest that it would re­ copies for dis­ 14th June, 1932.

Mr. CRANE: I was about to make the to it would not be wise to as you have made, sir.
same suggestion Seeing that the Bill is now committed Committee a Select print copies because revised when it is completed no complaint.

it will be radically and I hope will have by the Committee, the villages Cbapter227(Golonial THE PRESIDENT : I am sufficiently to th-ink optimistic At any rate the suggestion ovel'looked.

will not be that will be the case.

PAPERS LAID.


The following documents we1·e laid on the table:- Report of the Immigration Agent General for the year 193 L. Be.lance Sheet at 31st December, Revenue Account for 1931 of the Demer:ua.

Society, Ltd., in accord.

Mutual Life Assurance ance with section Life Assurance secr-etary).

47 of the Demerara.

Mutual Ordinance, 1931, and by Mr. Gerald 0.

Case on the Sea of the Colony with comments by Reporta Defences Major the Hon.
J. C. Craig, D.S.O., Direct�r of Public Works (Major Craig).

M.E,l.C., ORDER OF THE DAY; GOVERNMENT NOTICE.

Mr. D'Andrade gave notice that at a later stage _he would move the suspension of Standing Order No.

11 (1) to enable_ PETROLEUM Mr. D'ANDRADE: I move that "A BILL.

Bill further nance, 1930" be read the third time.

to amend the Petroleum O1·di­ Mr. BAYLEY seconded.

4 7'5 'Patents Rill 14 .JUNE, !932.


-Second Reading 4-76 Acts under of 1902 was amending amendment to conditions should form part that legisJation.

is sought.

are of the and pai·cel I would ask that be recti- object of further that the proposed But since the Ordinance passed there has been at least two enact­ ments in the United Kingdom equally here which have applicable books of the · not been placed on the statute Act, Colony, i.e., the Patent and Designs 1907, as amended by the Act of 1919.
If for amending the had arisen the necessity that have been of patents registration it obvi­ in the United Kingdom, granted thiLt the Patent ously follows which some of these registrations granted law of the Colony itself.

as soon as posi'>ible • fied.


Altogether time also to direct opportune to t]ie omission �tte'ntion kind of rules under the Ordinance No rules have been passed in this Cqlony was tlmt onlx-·guite and the consequence that there� s no recently prncedure grant of a patent in this Colony may be admitted.
Colony initiated the English procedure, opposing t.hat pro­ but whethe1· the same procedure, one does cedure is going to be recognised not know, I do not think the public to have should be placed in the position in order to have to come to Gove1·nment that position A firm of practitioners in the following some procedure it transpired by which an opposition that omission apart from that it is an Government's t6 frame any the grnnt of the patent adopted .rectified.

and the office itself.


to · the Question " That this Bill be now read a third time and passed " put, a,nd agl"eed to.

Bill read the third time.

PATEN'l'S BILL.

that the exclusive by the certi­ in this to amend, conferred in the United ana"rights (7), which it is proposed U nde1· sub­ of registration.

THE ATTORNEY-GENERAL of a patent in has three years with­ (Mr. : I move that" A Bill to amend Cap.

62, with McDowell) the Patents Ordinance, granted to patents respect Kingdom " be read the second time.
This Bill deals with the registration in this which have been granted C�lony of patents in the United Kingdom.

Under section 34 (1), Cap'.

62, the grantee the United•Kingdom in which to apply for registration (3) on com­ Colony;· and•m1der sub-section the Regis­ with the requfrements pliance the patent iLnd issue a trar shall register certificate seption the Court mav declare privileges ficate have not been,acquired on any of the grounds the patent might be revoked.
·maµufacture, use or sale of the article United Kingdom before it is actually ·patented.

This Bill provides upon which exclusive grounds rights not only the grounds been acquired upon which the United Kingdom patent might be revoked facture, Colony p1·ior patent in the United Kingdom, the manufacture, include invention persons United Kingdom and prio1· the· issue of the certificate under sub-section (3 ).
the manu­ use 01· sale of the invention in the to the date of issue of the but not to use or sale of the 01· after the is,me of the patent in the to the date of upon which the United Kingdom That includes that the privileges and have not in the Colony by some person by the certificate but also include conferred include in the of registration Mt·.

DIAS seconded.
DIAS seconded.

It seems to me that the Patent Rules of Rules ability amendment the English of the present be introduced 1920, may with very into this in that direction, th,1t the obligation be put [Lnd so produce to the Ordinance.

amenrlment the matter quite informally the United Kingdom, little Colony.
Take advantage special Registra1·'s and I suggest on him of comparing with om· local necessities a very useful I discussed and I fancy with him on another that those of us who are interested in this of the law will form of practice particular as we can.

It render as much assistance to the important is becoming trade of this Colony that there should be some system whereby designs may be enquiries There are frequently registered.
what are from people abroad to register for the protec£ion ca1led designs trade in goods which a.re being imported into the Colony.

·w1mt is lrnppening increasingly occasion, of their is Mr. WOOLFORD: I rise not for the amend­ to the attention the proposed purpose of opposing ment but of directing very many omissions itself.
enacted amendment itself Ot·dinance for the registration The Principal in 1902, and since then that has been made to the Ordinance was the only has been that of p11tents providing in granted in the O1·dinance , the United Kingdom, which was passed somewhere about 1914.

It is with the 477 Patents Bill 14 JUNE, 1932.

Destgns Regttratton Bin 478 Mr. WOOLFORD : Yes.

Tm: PRESIDENT: I have no objec­ with the request tion to complying hon.
Member, but the only question whether there is urgent need for these ,Lmendruents.

that the matter to.

will be attended I uudei·take of the is M:r. WOOLFORD : I don't object to the Bill being proceeded th,tt some steps be taken to have rules put into fo1·ce immPdi,Ltely.

with, but I ask Question put, and agreed to.

Bill read the second time.

under designs are In class of fees postponing which are really as trnde marks and tn1de ,Lre being protected class of protection in effect.
It affects Government that articles trade mark descriptions designs in this wa.y that a different and a. different in' the form of registration.

involved the absence of any rules the Registrnr receives marks ,Ls designs.

in further important this Bill be not proceeded keep the m,Ltter ernment.

Thern is no immediate hurry about this Bill, but the1·e hurry that the matter·s refened should form part of the statute laws of the Colony.
If there is no sub­ stantial objecti on therefore if this Bill can bti postponed while.

U there is no danger what is indeed very I would ask that with in order to before t,he mind of Gov­ is considerable legi;;lation, to which I have for a little I shall be glad Mr. CRANE: Regi;;tration is controlled by Chapter 61. into Com­ The Council resolved itself mittee and considered clause.

the Bill clause by THE A'l"l'ORNEY-GENERAL: I omitted to state to the Council Bill is introducer!

of t:ltitte.
of t:ltitte.

the t:lecretary >Lt the expre;;s that this wish of The Council resumed.

Notice was given th,Lt ,Lt the next meet­ ing of the Council the Bill be read the third time (Attorney­ General).

it would be moved that THE PRESIDENT: I ,Lm grnteful to I the hon.

Member for his suggestion.

must be guided by the a.dvice Attorney-Gtinernl and I will give an assurance matter will be taken up at once.

of the to pass this Bill now, that the other M1·.


WOOLFORD : Chapter 61 only in the refers to designs registered �lready of Unite:!

Kingdom.

I am speaking original in the designs for registration Colony.

DESIGNS REGIS'l'RA'l'ION BILL.

THE ATTORNEY-GENERAL: I move (United Cap.

Ordinance, of th,Lt "A Bill to >Lmend the Designs Kingdom) Registrntion 61, with respect to the registrntion designs the second time.

This Bill has the same reasons as the other and it is woi:d for word as the previous.
in the United Kingdom" be read measure.

exactly : This is of United THE ATTORNEY-GENERAL for amendment of 1·egistmtion I agree with the hon.

purely a question Kingdom designs.


Member that a great deal of the Ordimmce is left in the air, and I welcome the sug­ gestions but this amendment watertight compartment I gather that this point has arisen in the Court here, ,Lnd it seems to h,we given the Law Officers ,Lmount of trouble, where a patent or design was used here before it was even taken out in the United Kingdom.

,L considerable is on one specific of that OnlinancP, of the 0l'dinance.

M,·.

DIA8 seconded.

Question put, and agreed to.


Bill rear!

the second time.

The Council resolved mittee and considered cl,Luse without itself into Com­ the Bill clauee by discu.�sion.

Mr. WOOLFORD : The point is that there lLl'e procedure being made.

110 rules applying to fees and are when these applications '!

'he Council resumed.

Notice wa,; given that at the next meet­ THE PRESIDEN'.I.

': marks apply to the next Bill?


Do the ,mme re­ ing of the Council the Bill be mad the third time ( Attorney­ Gcneml).

it would be moved that 479 Post and T6iegrapl• Bili H JUNE, i 932.

�second Reading 480 of entertainments Mr. CRANE : I am afraid my position of this measure.

receiving of the Ordinance.


sets are forbidden stations, had Govern­ in that air messages $3 for every receiving telegraph in the set installed by the American sets is provided sets and merely exist '\Ve cannot even use the entertain­ found that people the $3, and it seems 61 of the Post and Tele­ all persons to use the air space super­ over his plot of land.
I£ Govern­ something is that of an opponent Under section graph Ordinance wireless to establish and under that tenn Government hoped to be able to collect wireless Colony.

Government had not been paying to me that they were quite right because you could not bring wireless within the definition They are not sending for receiving which appear in the ether.
Every subject has the r"ight imposed ment were putting space tlmt cost it money and the subject was using it I could understlmd a fair tiix, but such entertain­ ment levying ment as people get from these wireless receiving people.

ments provided because Great Britain and this Colony.

This Council the Telegraph less concerts.

carried Guiana was becoming· known even in the remotest ernment Having the reason was retrenchment.
Government the local station ,ibandoned now has the temerity plty for something That is shlLmeless.

to a tax on a pilino, dining table, othet· we have not reached a man's fumitul'e.

to collect to know if Government sets in tion as to the number of wireless sum would the Colony.

I£ 110 considerable accrue from this tax it is useless investigate or any in one's .house, but that stage yet to tax is The cleal' $3 from pel'sons.

of N oi:th America.

Gov­ it.


I suppose by the British people in time between cornet· in its wisdom checked I should like has any informa­ on to such an extent that British voted $300 per annum to enable That entertainment piece of furniture of the difference Department intention the subject.

wits to to supply wire­ to compel people to they are n9t getting.
This tax is analogous for for the grant of licences broadc:Lst reception that the provisions Cap 185, by making sets " be it of Telegraph 61 of the Post and of wireless install,Ltions houses.

sets in private however, POST AND TELEGRAPH BILL.

I move THE ATTORNEY-GENERAL: that "A Bill to timend the Post and Tele­ graph Ordinance, provision wireless read the second time.
Until recently was considered section covered Ordinance receiving brnadcast and it is con­ Doubts have ai-isen, should be made sidered quite clear.

'l'he Bill amends section and provides 01· work any wireless set in any place or on hoard any British ship registered granted a licence it also provides Council; tion of a penalty contravention by the Governor in for the imposi­ $25 fo1· a not exceeding of this pt"ovision.
that no person Rhall instal broadcast in the Colony except under that the position receiving 61 Mr. DIAS seconded.

the1·e has aban­ I think is a regis­ station.

In England that wireless from this taxation.

In America it is free; but in Guiam� even the air we breathe many such taxes.

Perhaps it is sets should be tax but the tax is for the special of the upkeep of t.he Broadcasting to is with is it not going too far It is very well to say M1·.
WEBBER : I do not know what amount of revenue Government expects Government de1·ive hard up, but these petty licences.

that $3 is a small tax, but there iire already desirable registered.

tration purpose Station.

.British must not be free.

Government doned its broadcasting sets would con­ people who have receiving sent to pay a small fee if VH,Y was main­ tained, but that station down.

What are we to pay $3 for?

Gov­ of is trespassing ernment other countries.


to be evaded -or people will listening it that merchants for the business there is only one firm now in the business, and I have heard on good authority that also if this tlix is imposed that business will be closed down.

I ask Government to remembet· we have no railways ernment might very well eucournge the sets in the intel"ior of wireless installation irritating tax.

It rather than levy this is too big anyhow .

who have been catering have shut down.


I believe on the goodwill Either this tax is going abandon money in people in the "bush," where in.

There is so little and telegrnph.

has been shut Gov­ THE ATTORNEY-GENERAL: The numbe1· is about 95.

Mr. CRAl'l"E : $285.

I ask Govern­ I agree ment not to press this measure.

of every that there should be regii,tration set in the Colony, wireless ment should be in a position where eve1-y and Govern­ to know t'o pick set.

is.
is.

It is possible -l81 Post ancl Teleura pli Bill 14 JUNE, 1932.

-Sewrui Readiny 482 I and for it charge matter, a rathe1· I am not quite has been charged any authority.

and Government is an easier process which might be useful to one and in any case Govern­ hobbies.

by the Post­ I suggest that Government and that is registi-ation.
That is the reason but I won't be quite in the past and I that that $3 was collected Mr. SEERAM : Can Government in­ form the Council what duty h,ts been received into the Colony?

up messages person or another, ment should know where these sets are located.

should accept registration a fee of 48 cents.

The Colony affords very of amusement few places should not make it more difficult for people to carry on their little also think that 1·egistration master General than by the Governor-in-Council.
very much what that amount is.

Three dollars have a suspicion without for this legislation, sure about it.

There is, however, important Hon.

Members agree that that is neces­ sa1·y.

There is also the question of who should grant licences.

sure that we should leave it its it is.


The Governor-in-Council at all events for the p1·esent, on the development w,ttch We ,i1•e despatche,; ta.ry of State with regard to the develop­ ment of it and I think in the meantime, having regard to the changes to take place, that it would be a likely time to get the info1·mation.

good thing to leave the licence to be granted by the Govemor-in-Council.

La.tei· Postmaste1·-Genera.l, that it should remain as it is.
I I suggest therefore suggest and th,tt when we come to deal with the what Tax Ordinance the licence is not wedded to the sum of $3, but I think some reasonable should be some form of registration that Government number of wfreless this pl'Oposal ing persons considerable "'\Ve do not keep sepamte statistics.

should be aware of the but sets in the Colony, of this business.
from the Secrn­ Mr. SEERAM : I ag1·ee that there Mr. D'ANDRADE: It would t,ike a Mr. GONSALVES : As one of the of this form of ,tmusement.

it may very well be granted by the should be.

Gove1·nment we should then decide may be the means of depriv­ that the Bill be accepted but in the meantime charge should be ma.de.

keep a. very close sets imported on wireless getting should, which are so Sta.tion I disapprove is ve1·y is given an assur­ of Georgetown this Bill has of a difference one officer and another.
that an office1· in an outlying representatives of this Bill.

The amount involved small.

If the Council ance that the vote will be revived for VRY there would ·re-establishing tax, for the proposed be some justification more that assurance and perhaps with broadcasting If sets will be installed.

what one hears is correct been introduced on account of opinion between I understand district the boldness tax could not be recovered this Bill is the result.
I do not think should be amended because that officer happens of the to be conect in his reading law.

In any case the charge seems to be very high.

A registration reasonable that suggestion.


from him a11d If that is the case it is fair that the 01·dinance set ha.<l who was using a receiving tlmt the to mise the question fee would be should accept and Government THE PRESIDENT: There are two one out of the debate, of registration ma.in points arising the question broadcast the licence licence of these receiving sets and the other the to be paid.

As regards I do not think Government careR Mr. CRANE : If we adhere to this form will be delay.
of granting licences there The Governor-in-Council does not deal with matters as the with such expedition public expects.

Question put, ,�nd agreed to.

Bill read the second time.

The Council into Com­ mittee to consider chtuse.

resolved the Bill clause by itself Clause 2-Licence for wireless broad­ cast i:eceiving sets.
Mr. CRANE : I move that the words granted in that beha.lf " except under itnd in accordance with a by the licence and the be deleted Governor-in-Council" words " until he shall have the registered same with the Postm1tst«->r-Genera.l substituted.

I quite appreciate Excellency of thi� subject, time before wireless telegraphy developed to any Empire interest.
but it is going to be a. long becomes in this Colony as to be a danger the importance said as regards English wha.t Your broad- " be so 483 Po�t (tncl J'eleymph Bill 14 JUN�:, 1932.

Tax Bill 48 4 the Governor-in-Council Question put, and agreed to.

method of obtaining of time for I am pleading ca.st stations will neve1· be of any use to this Colony owing to the difference in the two count1·ies.

an expeditious I am not accusing of <lf'lay but its very constitution tates delay.
No great h,u·m c:in be done if licences General, fied with rf'gistrntion GenenLI.

· and Government should be satis­ a.re granted necessi­ U\' the Po!<tma.ster- by the PoRtma.ster­ licences.

of the Postmaster- substitution the Governor-in-Council accept that.

General for will Government The title of the Bill was :.mended by the for of the word "receiving" substitution " reception."

The Council resume<l.

Notice w1Ls given tha.t at the next ,meet­ ing of the Council the Bill be read the Oenernl).
it would be moveq that third time (Attor•ne'IJ­ stations.

installation the apprehension the amend­ form.

The on the part of some members .

I slmre of Members to wireless in matter,; of this kind Mr. WOOLFORb : I support ment but not in its present hon.

Member cannot me.an that 1·egistrn­ tio11 must p1·ecede very hu·gely not merely on the ground of delay hut objection of the community The p1·ocedu1·e should pe1·mit of reasons to be given to grant a licence.
fo1· refusal cannot be exacted from the Governor-in­ Council, should be placed either in the lmnds of the I1rnpector-Genernl of Police 01· the Postmaster-General.

because before ,L wireless stalled the1·e the electrical tmd the Postmaster-Geneml with otticen, may be of some assistiu11;e directiou.
I favour the latte1· srt can be in­ may 01· rmLy not be cldeds in equipment powe1· to gnuit ,L licence in thu house itself his in tlrnt therefore Reasons Mr. CRANE: I ask to be allowed to the amendment withdraw " Postmaster-General in-Council."

"for the " Governor­ 1incl to substitute M1·.

WEBBER : I suppo1·t the sugges­ should be in the tion that the licensing hands of the Postmaster-Genera.I.

so for the rfla.son that the Governor-in­ Council of Appeal.
If the Postmaster-General there can be an appeal to refuses to h,Lve his duci­ the Governor-in-Council sion reviewed.

would best be 1·etained as a Cou,·t a licence I do Tm,: CHAIRMAN : All ,Lpplications in the p,Lst have been ma.de to the Governor­ and I do not think it is true in-Council that any delay took place, is willing licence General the Governor-in-Council If hon.
Members will be satisfied may be issued by the Postmaster­ .provided that there is an appeal to that the the suggestion but GovernmC'nt to ,Lccept from his decision.

with the tlmt thi,; is an inconvenient be the of in the legislation wo,·e thernfore cou­ to operate now proposed in clause 2, extends limits of with to the Municipal It has been represented TAX BILL.

THE COLONIAL SECRETARY : I to amend the Cap.


37" be read the to the public and that buses might properly to travel to Kitty, and the Motor recommend that the Committee move that a Bill fur·ther Tax Ordin11nce, second time.

This Bill deals with three The first one, which points of taxation.

is cout,Lined to motor buses kept and used in Georgetown privilege at Kitty.

This privi­ lege w,Ls overlooked 1931 m,d these bu,;es fined strictly Georgetown.
some fo1·ce a.rrnngement Georgetown allowed 'l'ratlic amendment The secon<l deals with the licence graphy and wireless tion.

Government in Committee cost of the licence, points which I should like hon.

Members at thi,; st1Lge t.o consider.

Head of auy Dep,u·tmeut ment of 1111y kind chiLrgf's ns the ture, so I think $1 might be regarded munmum.

The other point is from the aspect.


It i,; true that at the fiuancial moment broadcasting in the United Ki11gdom value to listeners Imperial deep interest re-orga11isi11g thornughly matters ing what we all hope is the biggest natiomil and I think we are going to benefit more stations ,u·e not of very great in this Colony, should be made.
point is in clause 3, which for wireless tele­ recep­ broadcasting to consider but the Govemmcut ha,; taken a very and is now and build­ inter­ One iR that the a docu­ signing in the United Kingdom, the suggestion in this subject but there ,Lre two is p1·epared $1 for his signa of the actual station 485 T£tX Bill 14 JUNE, 1932.

Hospital Fees Rey1-ilations 486 were station.


.Springlan especially We might there­ of making some the question to that Imperial that the present rates with regard to rice and than �ve do at present.

fore consider contribution The third point deals with the wharfage tax for the use of Springlands stelling.

Some time ago representation was made to Government excessive, padi.
The rates were so high that the stelling was not being used and padi was being dealt with at Crabwood C1·eek in­ was stead of at the stelling.

considered to reduce the rates a,nd at the same time to modify the other rates downwards 'While it is true that Government will lose is tlia,t ite1m, the expectation on individual it will gain on use of the stelling.

the whole by the incre,tsed ""where necessary.

and it was decided That ma,tte1· The Council . "

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The clause was amended by the substi­ tution..,,of "Postmaste1·-General " Governor-in-©ouncil "atnd of '" $1 " for ,.

·« $3.''

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� " for the .

Clalse.

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.. Wh_arfkg�� ,ta:x for use of _ds stelling _;,, Mr-.

D'AND1tADE : With reference to of the hon.

Member for the suggestion Western Be1·bice, this tax does not only apply to the hmding of goods from Dutch Guiana but also to goods from Georgetown, and I do not see how we can get over the dilliculty Guia1m.
rntes for Duteh of different .IYir.

vVEBBEH.

: I see the difficul�y.

resumed.

Dr. KELLY seeonded.

Notice w,ts given that ,tt the next meet­ ing of the Council the Bill be read the third time (Colonial Secretcwy).

it would be moved that Mr. WEBBER : I welcome tl1e reduc­ tion of the rates to our own people for the use of the stelling.

trade is d•·ne by Dutch farmers to the detriment and I think of our own farmers that the rates for the landing of their produce should be 1:10 much more.
A good amount of Mr. CRANE : I am only concerned with eh.use 3 and the 1·eason Colonial Secretary $1.

should make the licence ·given by the th�tt we for Ruggesting Question put, and itgreed to.

Bill read the second time.

HosPt'l'AL FEES Rt:GULA'l'IONS.

into Coll1- of Regu- The Council resolved itself oonKidHration mittcc ,.nd ,·cfmmed 1 ations as to the terms · and conditio11R upon whieh patie11ts out or in-patie11ts and the recovery who have improperly treatment.
in a.ny public hospital, may be treated as from persons of expenses grntuitous received The Council resolved itself the Bill clause by into Com­ mittee to consider clause.

Clause 3-Licence for \\'ireless tele­ graphy a,nd wireleHs tion.

broadcasting 1·ecPp­ the "Postmaster­ Mr. CRANE: I move that for the "Governor-in-Council" General" and for " three dollars" the words "forty-eight I do not think Governme11t on a licence number of young people !tre eng,Lged.
of $1 in a matter in which a, shoulcl insist centK" be substituted.

Dr. KELLY (:::lurgeon-General): When beforP wt:>re pre\'iously eonditions wa.s raised as to fo1· Govern­ these regulations the Couneil a question whether the Kpeuial to officers ment oltieers GowmmPnt on t]H'\ Fixed Establishment.

has gone into the ma.tter ,tnd I proposP to move an amendment to clause l � (2), which will 110w read : " Everv Public Oflie�·r should be limited ,wd who is on tlw imhu·ied �taff of any .
every Government employee regular monthly Department," classes is th,tt-after the word " otticPr" in the " be eighth line the words " 01· employee inserted.

of emplo,·ees.

etu.

Tlmt brings in ,tll ,Lmendnwnt Anothe1· on tho Fixed E�tahlisl{ment THE COLONIAL SECRETARY: I think the licence should be $1.

The Electrician might have to make some enquiry and I suggest able.

I move that $1 be substituted $3.

th,Lt $1 is reason­ for Question put, and ,tgreed to.

Dr. KELLY : The hon.


Member for \,Ve.stem Berbice raised tion with paragraph 9 which has been a point in connec­ 487 HoiJpital Foes R,igulations 14 JUNt;, 1932.

·-�·'"'f -Conw,ittee.J.88 duties of the Surgeon I.

The explanation there are certain which cater �for·'bhe genentl this cla11se is that people frequently in the .
hospitai he is permitted to go outside with his to his work in the opern,t­ or treat­ relate ' are there for the in consultation of cases in by added to Schedule is that at the hospital departments public.

The ru1,e is th.at officers attached to the hospital care of the patients and are not intended to be used by the public fol' conHultation ment.

The specific Specialist and the treatment ing theatre hospital.

Otherwis1,1 the tenns of his appointment the hospital medical colleagues.
>Lbout try to an.ke appointme11ts tal staff when they can well affot'd to p�y a private practitionel' attended wish to have a cc1Usultation.

they are a bit of a nuisance staff.

A further tion has more than once brought about complaints fessional consulting knowledge outside the hospital tion is int�nded privilege.

the hospital 'While of their consultants.


to consult from the point of view of pl'O­ people will be permitted to be more in the form of is that this Ritua­ with the hospi­ etiquette poi11t by people succeeding staff without the in i:;taff, the method of consulta­ What has brought At times to the hospititl and sometimes are by their own practitioner· and 'Where a medical practitioner to is adopted ask the otficet' st,df being far less exploited, to the hospi­ concemed and report.
If it will result in wishes a case of his to be seen by one of the medical officer·s attached tal he would lrnve a look at the patient this procedure the hospital :md it would ,tlso, tlw ,w,;tem which in rncent time� h,tq to the hecou;'e their colle•igues hospit:tl are ,;t,d·l" woulrl like advice the hospital perfectly but the staff are not concerned witli out­ p:.itieuts i1t hospitiil.

but with the treatment to give that ,vlvicr, staff.
1;\l'he1·e to some extent, of a nuisance somewlrn,t willi11g of u,Lses uontrol :M:r. "WEBBER: It ifl ,tn enorrnou,; to make that taxpayers who am lrnve no business in A taxpayer ha� there as long as he pays st,ttement paying the doctor,; the public hospital.

every business for what he wants.

Apparently pital is to be administered venience they must not he rlisturbed.
question relieving the hos­ for t,he con of the doctors ; There is no the taxpayers or anxiety of benefiting the suffering and which a, ,md amusement man might luiYe.

I thing mol'e impertinent.

have 1wvcr hPard any­ Tm� CHAIRMAN : T think the \1011.
what tl1c sa.id, The Surgeon­ Member rather misunde1·stood i:lurge.on-Genernl Gencml said that anybody who wish to obtain the advice of the medical staff of the hospitiil p1ttient t,ion which arises is whether payment should he made in thP C1L::1e of a pen1011 who does not necessarily of the hospital.

a.n in-patient can do so by becoming in the hospital.

wish to become The onl_v ques­ a Dr. KELLY: It is not ,L 11uestion I procedure JJL'oci:"lure.
th•tt this is a high-ha.nde<l in hospi­ It is the ordirrnry tals all over the wodd.

Perh,i.p; might have used fL happier word th,u1 " uuis,tnce."

rlid so from th:!

point of view th,i.t when the oJiken; are doing tlrnir work in the wards it is not a nice thing for.

thew to· by people who try to get bo distul'bcd theil' when they are legitim,i.tely not entitled ·when I used the word I to them.
services Mr. WEBBER: I ,uu not suggesting ,L� mi in-patient the 1netlic,tl at tlw hospital and wa,nts the >Ldvice of the of the to decide whether he that people should not be made to p,iy for of calling the privilege st,Lff of the hoRpit,il Goverument in cousult,Ltion.

s,tys that if >t man wants to do so lw should .

T,Ll,, go into the hospit,il -' the case of a m,m who is not su1·e whether he should become ,u1 in-patit�nt hospital Specialist shoulr\ do .�o-There is a highly paid Spet.
:i,tlist iu 99 uases peoplP wallt to commit him as to their case.

\Vhy shouldn't adv,utt,Lge I ,Lm willillg without being uompellPd cPrtific,ite.

should lie thi,; halo of LlLscines and barbed wire strung a.rnund the Surgeon Special­ ist.

It is unkiud, unjust anti p,irticu­ larl� unwise.

I want the skill of the higl;est it ,tucl must be available pt·ep,Lre�l Mackenzie to p,Ly for hiH snl'viePs, to produt.
:e I du ll0t know why ther,, T t,Lke if and a paid man iu the Service to me as long ,Ls I am to pay for it.

This is wlrnt fills a11d the Surinam hospitals.

of the g1·e,Ltcst ,L111l skill 1L\'aihtbl1· Dr. KELLY: Yesterday the Surgeon Speciali�t this imbject :i.nd gather·ed of he wished to tel'minate people who from their flocial sta.tus hwe I saw in connection with from him that the pritctice evening 489 Ilospital Feu Regulatimi,s 14 JUNE, 1932.

-Committee 490 staff.


This is to stop no right to it trying to get cou.sultations with the hospital that class of iu.dividuals, too numerous routine geon Specialist him to be the only mechanism and interfering with the imd the Sur­ to said to me it ,LppeM·s work of the hospital, who are getting to stop it.

Tm: CHAIRMAN : I appreciate wh,Lt ha;.

; been said by the hon.


Member, matter has been very carefully since it wa.s la.st before the Council, ,LIU a.£raid must sta.nd by the Government wo1·ding of the a.mendiuent.

but the and I considered 1ihti paragraph was agreed to.

Dr. KELLY : I h,we gone into the of X-Ra.y chai·ges of the Council.

matte1· meeting all, like to say that the fees have been revised they have been lowered.
three times, I should, since the la.st Patients first of aucl on each occasion in in­ ,Lbout h.itherto of the fe1;1 in special the Radiographer i,; warrnnt paid full rates; now they half rates.

There is also where prolonged treatment 01· where circumstances hos_pibLl will be charged a right of appeal to the Surgeon-General for a reduction stances required it.

I have consulted and he tol'd me he very rarely receives fees.

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'he any complaint total number of patients last year was 2,031.
Of this number only 378 paid fees ,Lnd 1,653 were examined amount of fees received $260 rep1·esented (which will be halved now) and $670 by out-patients.

worked out the actual rntes of charges allow for deterioration of the Depa1·trnent.

cha1·ges The Radiographer cost of the higher which does not excessive treated fees paid by in-patienb; or ove1·head was $930, of which free.

The toLa.l at $3.75, has The Council resnmed ,Lnd a.cljournerl until the following d,Ly at 11 o'clock.