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THE SECOND MEETING OF THE THIRD SESSION OF THE TWELFTH PARLIAMENT WEDNESDAY 16 MARCH 2022 MIXED VERSION HANSARD NO: 205 THE NATIONAL ASSEMBLY SPEAKER The Hon.

Phandu T. C. Skelemani PH, MP.

DEPUTY SPEAKER Hon.

P. P. P. Moatlhodi, MP.

(Tonota) Clerk of the National Assembly Deputy Clerk of the National Assembly Acting Learned Parliamentary Counsel Assistant Clerk (E) His Excellency Dr M. E. K. Masisi, MP.

His Honour S. Tsogwane, MP.


(Boteti West) CABINET - President - Vice President - Ms B. N. Dithapo - Mr L. T. Gaolaolwe - Advocate L. O. Tlhowe - Mr R. Josiah Hon.

K. N. S. Morwaeng, MP.

(Molepolole South) - Minister for Presidential Affairs, Governance and Public Administration Hon.

K. T. Mmusi, MP.

(Gabane-Mmankgodi) - Minister of Defence, Justice and Security Hon.

Dr L. Kwape, MP.

(Kanye South) - Minister of International Affairs and Cooperation Hon.

K. K. Autlwetse, MP.


(Specially Elected) - Minister of Local Government and Rural Development Hon.

K. S. Gare, MP.

(Moshupa-Manyana) - Minister of Agricultural Development and Food Security Hon.

P. K. Kereng, MP.

(Specially Elected) - Minister of Environment, Natural Resources Conservation and Tourism Hon.

Dr E. G. Dikoloti MP.

(Mmathethe-Molapowabojang) - Minister of Health and Wellness Hon.

T.M.

Segokgo, MP.

(Tlokweng) - Minister of Transport and Communications Hon.

K. Mzwinila, MP.
K. Mzwinila, MP.

(Specially Elected) - Minister of Land Management, Water and Sanitation Services Hon.

T. M. Rakgare, MP.

(Mogoditshane) - Minister of Youth Empowerment, Sport and Culture Development Hon.

A. M. Mokgethi, MP.

(Gaborone Bonnington North) - Minister of Nationality, Immigration and Gender Affairs Hon.

P. O. Serame, MP.

(Specially Elected) - Minister of Finance and Economic Development Hon.

F. M. M. Molao, MP.

(Shashe West) - Minister of Basic Education Hon.

Dr D. Letsholathebe, MP.


(Tati East) Hon.

L. M. Moagi, MP.

(Ramotswa) - Minister of Tertiary Education, Research, Science and Technology - Minister of Mineral Resources, Green Technology and Energy Security Hon.

M. Kgafela, MP.

(Mochudi West) - Minister of Investment, Trade and Industry Hon.

M. R. Shamukuni, MP.

(Chobe) - Minister of Employment, Labour Productivity and Skills Development Hon.

E. M. Molale, MP.

(Goodhope-Mabule) - Minister of Infrastructure and Housing Development Hon.
D. M. Mthimkhulu, MP.

(Gaborone South) - Assistant Minister, Presidential Affairs, Governance and Public Administration Hon.

S. N. Modukanele, MP.

(Lerala -Maunatlala) Hon.

T. Monnakgotla, MP.

(Kgalagadi North) Hon.

M. M. Pule, MP.

(Mochudi East) Hon.

M. S. Molebatsi, MP.


(Mmadinare) - Assistant Minister, Local Government and Rural Development - Assistant Minister, Local Government and Rural Development - Assistant Minister, Local Government and Rural Development - Assistant Minister, Agricultural Development and Food Security Hon.

S. Lelatisitswe, MP.

(Boteti East) - Assistant Minister, Health and Wellness Hon.

N. W. T. Makwinja, MP.

(Lentsweletau-Mmopane) - Assistant Minister, Basic Education Hon.

B. Manake, MP.
B. Manake, MP.

(Specially Elected) - Assistant Minister, Investment, Trade and Industry Hon.

H. B. Billy, MP.

(Francistown East) Hon.

A. Lesaso, MP.

(Shoshong) - Assistant Minister, Youth Empowerment, Sport and Culture Development - Assistant Minister,Tertiary Education, Research, Science and Technology MEMBERS OF PARLIAMENT AND THEIR CONSTITUENCIES Names Constituency Hon.

L. Kablay, MP.

(Government Whip) Letlhakeng-Lephephe RULING PARTY (Botswana Democratic Party) Hon.

Dr U. Dow, MP.

Hon.


P. Majaga, MP.

Hon.

M. Balopi, MP.

Hon.

J. S. Brooks, MP.

Hon.

C. Greeff, MP.

Hon.

T. Letsholo, MP.

Hon.

T. F. Leuwe, MP.

Hon.

T. Mangwegape-Healy, MP.

Hon.

Dr T. Matsheka, MP.

Hon.

S. N. Moabi, MP.

Hon.

P. K. Motaosane, MP.

Hon.

O. Regoeng, MP.

Hon.

J. L. Thiite, MP.


Specially Elected Nata-Gweta Gaborone North Kgalagadi South Gaborone Bonnington South Kanye North Takatokwane Gaborone Central Lobatse Tati West Thamaga-Kumakwane Molepolole North Ghanzi North OPPOSITION (Umbrella for Democratic Change) Hon.

D. Saleshando, MP.

(Leader of the Opposition) Hon.

M. G. J. Motsamai, MP.


(Opposition Whip) Maun West Ghanzi South Selebi Phikwe West Mahalapye East Sefhare-Ramokgonami Ngami Okavango Maun East Bobonong Selebi Phikwe East Palapye Nkange Mahalapye West Francistown West Hon.

D. L. Keorapetse, MP.

Hon.

Y. Boko, MP.

Hon.

Dr K. Gobotswang, MP.

Hon.

C. K. Hikuama, MP.

Hon.

K. K. Kapinga, MP Hon.

G. Kekgonegile, MP.

Hon.

T. B. Lucas, MP.

Hon.

K. Nkawana, MP.

Hon.

O. Ramogapi, MP.

Hon.

Dr N. Tshabang, MP.

Hon.

D. Tshere, MP.

Hon.


M. I. Moswaane, MP.

Hon.

T. S. Khama, MP.

Hon.

L. Lesedi, MP.

Hon.

B. Mathoothe, MP.

Hon.

M. Reatile, MP.

(Botswana Patriotic Front) Serowe West Serowe South Serowe North Jwaneng-Mabutsane Hon.

W. B. Mmolotsi, MP.
W. B. Mmolotsi, MP.

Francistown South (Alliance for Progressives) TABLE OF CONTENTS THE SECOND MEETING OF THE THIRD SESSION OF THE TWELFTH PARLIAMENT WEDNESDAY 16TH MARCH, 2022 CONTENTS PAGE (S) QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER...................................................................................................................1-8 APPROPRIATION (2022/2023) BILL, 2022 (NO.
2 OF 2022) COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY Organisation 1800- Ministry of Land Management, Water and Sanitation Services Resumed Debate...............................................................................................................................................9-12 Organisation 2000 - Ministry of Environment, Natural Resources Conservation and Tourism..........................13-40 Organisation 2100 - Industrial Court....................................................................................................................41-42 Wednesday 16th March, 2022 THE ASSEMBLY met at 2:00 p.m. (THE SPEAKER in the Chair) P R A Y E R S * * * * QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER MOTOKWE SUB-LAND BOARD MR F. T. LEUWE (TAKATOKWANE): asked the Minister of Land Management, Water and Sanitation Services: (i) if he is aware of the high number of vacant posts at Motokwe Sub-Land board, which may be a cause of delay in the sub-land board’s ability to execute land management duties; and (ii) when the issue of shortage of transport at Motokwe Sub-Land board will be addressed.
MINISTER OF LAND MANAGEMENT, WATER AND SANITATION SERVICES (MR MZWINILA): Good afternoon Mr Speaker, good afternoon Honourable House.

(i) Mr Speaker, Motokwe Sub Land Board has a total establishment of 22 Officers.

I am aware that the sub land board operated with a vacancy of three positions being for Board Clerk, Assistant Conveyancer and Land Registration Officer which fell vacant during the 2020/2021 and 2021/2022 financial years.
However, all these positions have been filled as at February 2022 to facilitate execution of land management duties.

The Deputy Sub Land Board Secretary for Motokwe Sub Land Board is currently not in the duty station, because the officer is currently relieving at Mogoditshane Sub Land Board.

(ii) Mr Speaker, Motokwe Sub Land Board has been allocated a total of four vehicles to service the station.
The vehicles comprise of one Toyota Corolla Sedan, three off-road vehicles being a Toyota Fortuner, Toyota Hilux double cab and Toyota Land Cruiser station wagon.

All these vehicles are in good condition to carry out activities in the sub land board area of jurisdiction and were allocated having considered the terrain of the area.

Mr Speaker, Kweneng Land Board continues to rationalise its available resources to support its sub land boards to carry out their mandate.

I thank you Mr Speaker.


MR LEUWE: Supplementary.

Thank you Mr Speaker.

Ke go lebogele dikarabo tseo tsa gago Tona.

Ke dire follow-up ya go itse gore, fa le tsaya officer kwa Motokwe le mo isa kwa Mogoditshane, a bogogi le boeteledipele jwa kwa Motokwe, bo atle bo itsisiwe?

Ke bone ba ba a bong ba na le ngongora gore kana re ne re neetswe motho, mme jaanong motho ga re mmone.
Fa ba isiwa bogogi bo a bolelelwa, jaaka bo Kgosi, ba a itsisiwe, mme fa ba bona motho a nyeletse fela, ba simolola go ngongorega.

Potso ke gore a thulaganyo eo le a e dira, fa le sa e dire, ga le bone go tshwanela gore thulaganyo eo Tona e dirwe, go supa gore tota go tshwaraganwe?

Ke a leboga.

MR MZWINILA: Ke a leboga Motlotlegi Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente.

Ke a leboga Motlotlegi Leuwe.


Ke tsaya gore ka tsamaiso, go tshwanetse go nne fela jaaka motlotlegi a tlhalosa, ka gore re bereka le morafe le boeteledipele jwa morafe.

Go tshwanetse gore fa Deputy Sub Land Board Secretary a dule kana a isitswe go ya go thusa golo gongwe, re tshwanetse re tlhalose gore o ile kae, o tsamaile lebaka le le kae, o boa leng.

Jaaka motlotlegi a bua, gongwe ga go a dirwa jalo, mme go raya gore re tlaa dira jalo.
Ke tlaa ba botsa gore ke eng ba sa dira jalo, mme ka tshwanelo go tshwanetse go diragale jaaka motlotlegi a bua.

Ke a leboga.
ADVANCE PAYMENTS FOR COUNCILLORS MR G. KEKGONEGILE (MAUN EAST): asked the Minister of Local Government and Rural Development to brief this Honourable House on the process undertaken for Councillors to access advance payments against their gratuity and in particular: (i) if he is aware that Councillors have a challenge in accessing advances from their gratuity; (ii) what mitigating factors are in place to ensure smooth accessibility; (iii) state the highest amount of a Councillor’s advance and number of months a Councillor’s advance is payable; (iv) if there are any plans in place to involve the private sector in the provision of advances; if not, why; and 1 Hansard No 205Wednesday 16th March, 2022QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER (v) whether the private sector initiative comes at a cost to Councillors in terms of interest; if so, at what rate.
OF MINISTER ASSISTANT LOCAL GOVERNMENT AND RURAL DEVELOPMENT (MR PULE): Thank you Mr Speaker.

Good afternoon Honourable Members.

Good afternoon Honourable Kekgonegile and thank you for the question that you have put before us.

Mr Speaker, allow me to inform this Honourable House that; gratuity for Councillors is paid at the end of their term of office.

Therefore, a budget to cater for the payment of their gratuity is made during the last financial year of their term of office.
(i) Mr Speaker, I am aware that Councillors have expressed their desire to access advances of their gratuities.

I also appreciate that Councillors have a challenge in accessing their gratuities, and my ministry has been addressing several Motions and questions from various Councils on the issue since July 2021.

Just recently on the 16th February, 2022 in Gaborone, I addressed the Forum for Chairpersons and Mayors and this issue was raised, to which I responded accordingly.
(ii) Mr Speaker, currently access to gratuity advance by Councillors is untenable on account of the following reasons: • All councils have budgetary constraints, and they cannot honour unbudgeted items such as gratuity advance, and that would aggravate the already volatile financial situation in councils.

• If Councillors are allowed to access advances from their gratuities, it will result in deferral the or abandonment of critical services communities expect from councils.
that (iii) Mr Speaker, currently, other than motor vehicle and residential property advances, Councillors are eligible for emergency salary advance that covers; serious illness to the Councillor or family member; death of a Councillor, spouse, child or parents and damage to property.

The highest amount of advance a Councillor can take varies depending on his or her net salary and the minimum take home pay of P1, 200.00 is required.
(iv) Mr Speaker, that notwithstanding, various councils and their national association, that is, Botswana Association of Local Authorities (BALA) are allowed to engage local banking/ financial institutions to secure loan facility for Councillors, that would be repayable through their terminal benefits.

(v) Mr Speaker, naturally the private sector is a profit making entity.
Consequently, the initiative will come at a cost to Councillors and the onus is on the negotiating parties to ensure that the terms and conditions including the interest rates are acceptable to all.

I thank you Mr Speaker.

MR KEKGONEGILE: Supplementary.

Tanki Mr Speaker.

Tanki Tona.

Boammaaruri dinako tse dingwe bo siame thata fa motho a bo bua, ka bo re lemotsha dilo tse dintsi.
Tona, a ga o bone gore go sa baya Makhanselara mo sekaleng se se tshwanang le mapolotiki a mangwe jaaka Mapalamente fa go tla mo ditshwanelong tsa bone, go ba kgoreletsa go dira tiro ya bone sentle?

A ga o bone e le dipharologanyo tse ditona, gore Mopalamente a bo a kgona go tsaya advance kgatlhanong le gratuity ya gagwe mme fa Mokhanselara a tshwanelwa ke go tsaya advance kgatlhanong le gratuity go bo go tliwa ka dikgang tsa bo gore budget ga e letle?
Ke eng budget e letla Mapalamente fela, mme Makhanselara e sa ba letle?

A ga le bone gore Makhanselara le ba tshwantshanya le badirelapuso mme bone e le mapolotiki?

A golo moo ke gone mo go tshwanetseng, le ba ntsha leng ka fa mosing?

A ga o bone le tshwanelwa ke go fetola seemo?

Tanki.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ya mo loma notshi.

MR PULE: Thank you Mr Speaker.

Ke a go utlwa motlotlegi.

Ga ke itse gore Ramogapi fa a re notshi e loma motho o raya jang ka gore ga go na notshi epe e e lomang ope golo fa.
Kgang e e leng teng ke gore Honourable Kekgonegile, Makhanselara ditsamaiso tse di rileng tsa Puso gompieno jaana ga di tshwane le tsa Mapalamente.

O a itse gore go na le pharologanyo.

Melao ya rona e a farologana jaaka o itse gore Makhanselara ba duelwa ke dikhansele, Mapalamente ba duelwa ke National Assembly.

Mo go rayang gore arrangements tse ba di dirang ga di tshwane le tsa rona.
Fa e ne e le gore kwa dikhanseleng ba na le madi a ba ka a beelang kwa thoko gore fa Makhanselara ba kopa to cash against their gratuities, ba bo ba ka dira jalo, then ke ka bo ke go utlwa.

Fa o re ba a farologanngwa but ga ba tshwane, re tsamaisiwa ke melao e e farologanyeng.
Mo go se sebaka, se e leng botlhabetsi mo arrangement 2 Hansard No 205Wednesday 16th March, 2022QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER e re buang ka yone, gore re tsene mo conclusion e re leng mo go yone motlotlegi, re ne ra botsa Attorney General to guide legally speaking, would this really take us somewhere.

Ga re a dira ka megopolo ya rona.

Re ne ra botsa mme ra fitlhela e le gore bothata jo bo tona jo bo technical ke gore, Makhanselara ba duelwa ke dikhansele, rona ke Central Government, so, ga re tshwane.
Fa e le gore go ka nna le Tshutiso rraetsho jaaka o gakologelwa gore go ne ga nna le molao o o neng wa bewa fa pele ga rona mo Palamenteng, o bangwe ba rona re neng re akanya gore Makhanselara ba kgobokanngwa golo go le one le Mapalamente, then I would understand when you argue jalo.

Currently the arrangement ga e a nna ka fa o buang ka teng.

Ga se gore ba farologantswe ka mabaka a gore bone ke Makhanselara, ba bangwe ke Mapalamente.

Ke ka gore re tsamaisiwa ke melao e mabedi e e farologanyeng.
Jaaka ke bua, dikhansele fa e ne e le gore di na le madi, they would definitely make that arrangement but the problem ke gore right now, ga di na madi.

Fa motlotlegi go ka diragala gore a bo a sa kgone go duela sekoloto sa gagwe, potso e ya go nna gore madi ao a ya go duelwa ke mang?

Ke raya gore e ntse fela jalo motlotlegi mo go se sebaka.

Se re ka se dirang ke gore re dumalane re le Palamente gore molawana wa maloba o bewa fa, o tle gape.
Re tle go sekaseka go bona gore a mme Makhanselara ba ka se ka ba tsenngwa mo lenaneong le le lengwe le Mapalamente ba nna le their own privileges.

Ke raya gore go ntse fela jalo Mr Speaker.

Ke a leboga.

MR MOTSAMAI: Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

Minister o bua gore melao ga e tshwane ya Makhanselara le Mapalamente.

Ke go botse motlotlegi gore melao e o reng ga e tshwane, a ke gone o e bonang mo go Goromente gompieno gore e tshwanetse go baakanngwa?

A ke melao e e tswang kwa go 1966 e sa tshwane?


Fa e le gore ke melao e e tswang bogologolong e beile Makhanselara ka fa mosing jaaka le wena o dumela, a o raya gore mmuso wa gago le wena o le mo teng le direla Makhanselara sentle?

Le tswe kwa dingwageng tse di fetang masome a matlhano le bona gore Makhanselara ga ba direlwe sentle, le itimetsa le bo le tla go bua gompieno gore batho ba a itse gore melao ga e tshwane.

Le ya go e baakanya leng?

Le ya go e tshwantshanya leng?


Potso ya me ya bofelo ke gore Minister, go na le dikgang tsa gore Makhanselara ba akanya gore e re fa ba pitlaganye ba adime mo gratuities tsa bone.

Le fa gotwe melao ga e tshwane, go le tsaya nako e e kae gore le kope ba melao gore go baakanngwe diemo tse?

Mokhanselara le fa a le mo pitlaganong e e kae, a letlelelwe go adima madi ao go intsha mo lehumeng e seng gore a bo a ganelwa go thusiwa ka gore gatwe melao ga e tshwane.

Rraetsho, dipotso tsa me di ne di le kalo.


Ke a leboga.

MR PULE: Ke a leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente.

Ga ke itse gore batlotlegi ba remeletse mo go eng.

Fa gongwe fa go tuana, go a bo go lebeletswe gore motho mongwe golo gongwe ga a tsamaisa dilo sentle jaaka ke utlwa Honourable Motsamai a bua.

Ke ne ke tsaya gore Rre Kekgonegile o ne a botsa mabapi le kgang e e diragetseng mo bogautshwaneng e e leng gore ga ke na boammaaruri.
E ne e le lantlha go diragala gore Makhanselara ba kope to cash against their gratuity.

Ba fitlhela melao e ntse ka fa e ntseng ka teng, go bo go raya gore… MR KEKGONEGILE: Nnyaa rra, se mpateletse e seng mo bogaufing, go tswa kgakala go ntse jalo.

MR PULE: Nnyaa, ka re ga ke itse gore go diragetse leng ke gone ke tsenang mo Ministry of Local Government.

Ga ke itse gore a go kile ga diragala, ke gone ke tsenang mo Palamenteng.
What I am simply saying ke gore, o ne o e boletsa mo go se se diragetseng mo bogautshwaneng.

Kgang ya me e e leng teng ke gore, mo bogautshwaneng jo re leng mo go jone… MR KEKGONEGILE: Nnyaa, ke e boletsa mo go se se diragalang go tswa kgakala.

MR PULE: Iketle pele!

MR KEKGONEGILE: Nnyaa, se mpateletse.

MR PULE: Re tsere kgato e re e tsereng re lebeletse molao gore wa reng.

Re lebeletse seemo sa itsholelo sa dikhansele.


Re lebeletse dilo tse dintsintsi tse di ka diragalang jaaka ke ne ke e fa sekai ke re, fa o le Mokhanselara o bo o kopa madi kgatlhanong le gratuity ya gago, go bo go diragala gore in the process ga o kgone go duela, re ya go dira jang re le ba dikhansele tse di senang madi mo go se sebaka go duela madi a gago.

Ke nngwe ya dikgang tse di neng di re paledisa.

Jaanong mo go se sebaka, molao o ntse jalo.


Le ka bo le nthaya le re, gone maikaelelo ke go baakanya molao leng?

Kgang ke gore, this thing has taught us a lesson.

Mo go rayang gore it is a matter o e leng gore right now, is on the table.

Re leka go bona gore re ka e baakanya jang.

Ga se mo motho a ka reng dingwaga tsotlhe re ntse re ikgatholositse.

Go ya ka nna, gongwe ga go ise go diragale gore Makhanselara ba kope to cash madi a bone against their gratuity.
If it was something which has been there in existence for many years, then the answer e ke nang le yone ke gore, le nna ke gakgametse gore ke eng kgang ya teng e ne e sa lebelelwe ya baakanngwa.

3 Hansard No 205Wednesday 16th March, 2022QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER Wa re a ke direla Makhanselara sentle; ga se kgang ya gore a ke direla Makhanselara sentle because ga re gane kana re dira ka bomo.
Ga go kgonagale ka gore seemo se re leng mo go sone ga se letle gore ba ka thusiwa, not because ga re batle, no, le tshwanetse go e tlhaloganya.

Ga se gore ga re batle, ke kgang ya gore seemo se re leng mo go sone ka se sebaka, ga se kgonagatse tiro ya go nna jalo.

We are not saying ga go ka ke ga baakanngwa.

Go ka baakanngwa but right now ga go a baakanngwa, jaanong go mo go rona le lona.
Jaaka ke ne ke bua gore Rre Morwaeng o ne a le mo Palamenteng a tlisitse molao o re neng ra o busa gone fa, a bo a o busetsa kwa morago.

E bile wena Motsamai, o ne o le mongwe wa batho ba ba neng ba le vocal ka kgang ya teng, wa bo wa boela kwa morago.

Jaanong gompieno re ka bo re setse re tsamaya kgakala, dipotso tse le di botsang di seyo.

Ga re ise re re ga re batle, ra re seemo se re leng mo go sone rraetsho, ga se re kgontshe gore re dire jalo.
Jaanong o botsa potso ya bofelo gore a seemo seno se se ka baakanngwa, yes se ka baakanngwa sa tsena mo tseleng.

Kana Rre Motsamai, ga go na sepe se e leng a problem se se ka sekeng sa baakanngwe.

Every problem has got a solution.

That is why gotwe challenges are opportunities.

Maybe this is an opportunity for us go bona gore Makhanselara le Mapalamente ba tshwanetse gore ba lebelelwe ka leitlho le le lengwe.
Go nne le molawana o o merged o o tsamaisang their rights and privileges ka seemo se le sengwefela.

Ke raya gore go ntse fela jalo.

Re se ka ra baya mo e keteng motho mongwe mo Local Government o ganne go thusa Makhanselara.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Supplementary.

SPEAKER MR supplementary, Honourable Brooks.

(MR SKELEMANI): Last MR BROOKS: Thank you Mr Speaker.

Thank you Tona.

Ke a go utlwa ka fa o arabang ka teng.


Ke batla go tlhaloganya fela gore Makhanselara fa ba tsaya mo gratuities tsa bone, a o raya ba tsaya mo ba setseng ba go kgobokantse (accumulate) kana mo ba iseng ba go berekele?

The other question ke gore fa go ka diragala gore e re maitseboa Palamente e bo e phatlalatswa, go raya gore Makhanselara a tlaabo a phatlaladitswe, a o batla go nthaya o re ga o na madi a go ka duela what Makhanselara have benefited jaaka ba ne ba tsena ka 2019?
O simolola go bala leng mo Makhanselara ba tshwanetseng gore ba go bone morago ga tiro ya bone?

Are you calculating it fa term ya bone e fela kana letsatsi le ba tsenang ka 4 lone mo teng ga khansele ba ikanisiwa gotwe ba nna Makhanselara ba fentse ditlhopho?

A o simolola o bala madi a bone go tswa gone foo?

Ke re o arabe dipotso tse tharo tse re tle re kgone gore re tlhaloganyasane sentle rraetsho.

MR PULE: Ga ke itse gore a di tharo motlotlegi.

Ke ne ke utlwa e kete ke potso e le nngwefela.


Ke raya go ya ka nna ka fa ke neng ke utlwa o botsa ka teng.

Kgang e ka fa e leng ka teng, ke tlhalositse fa ke araba ka re gratuity ya Makhanselara, the current arrangement e e ntseng e le teng ke gore… tota ga se Makhanselara fela, gratuity ya mongwe le mongwe e simolola go balwa fela fa a simolola a theogela.

Jaanong gratuity ya Makhanselara jaaka ke ne ke bua, ba duelwa jaaka the civil servants.
Mo go rayang gore tota fela ka fa go ntseng ka teng, gongwe mo go se sebaka fa ke bua le wena ba setse ba kgobokantse madi mangwe a a rileng.

The question e nna gore a mme funding ya the actual cash a e teng ya gore re ka ba duela.

Arrangement ya bone e ntse e le gore e balelwa dingwaga tse tlhano tse ba tlaabong ba le mo setilong and then e bo e dirwa kwa bofelong ba bo ba duelwa kana jang.

Mo go se sebaka, I cannot tell gore Makhanselara have accumulated bokae and all those things.
Ke raya gore ke dilo tse gongwe di paledisang kgang ya teng.

Like I said, arrangement ya teng pharologanyo ya yone ke yone fela ya gore they are not like Mapalamante ba e leng gore ba tsamaisiwa ka molao o sele, bale ba tsamaisiwa ka molao o sele.

Ke a leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente.


OFFICIAL VEHICLES ALLOCATED TO PARWE JSS MR D. TSHERE (MAHALAPYE WEST): asked the Minister of Basic Education: (i) if he is aware that the official vehicles which were allocated to Parwe Secondary School have either been boarded by the Central Transport Organisation (CTO) or sitting with prolonged mechanical problems and not functioning but without any replacement; and if so, (ii) to state his ministry’s short and long term plan in rectifying this.
ASSISTANT MINISTER OF BASIC EDUCATION (MS MAKWINJA): Good afternoon Mr Speaker and thank you.

Thank you Honourable Tshere.

Hansard No 205Wednesday 16th March, 2022QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER (i) Mr Speaker, I am aware that some official vehicles allocated to schools have either been boarded or remain with prolonged mechanical problems without replacement.

Parwe Junior Secondary School in Mahalapye is one such school.
Mr Speaker, due to my ministry’s financial constraints, and the cost of vehicle maintenance, my ministry is unable to replace boarded vehicles, as it would otherwise want.

Further to this, funds permitting, if new vehicles become available, my ministry gives first priority to boarding schools.

(ii) Mr Speaker, in the short-term, my ministry will continue sourcing vehicles through the Central Transport Organisation (CTO) and from other Government departments.
Please note that combis, buses and trucks are no longer issued to schools but are only issued to either region or sub-region to service the entire area, except for those schools with special projects such as Moeng College.

Currently Mahalapye Sub-Region has four combis which service schools in the area whenever need arises.

In addition, we shall continue to share vehicles amongst schools and the sub-regions.
In the longer-term, my ministry will continue to budget for new vehicles and ensure optimum use of transport resources.

I thank you Mr Speaker.

MR TSHERE: Supplementary.

Thank you very much Honourable Speaker and thank you Mma Makwinja.

Kana kgang e ya dikgang tsa kwa Parwe jaaka o bona gore ke potso ya bobedi mme dikarabo tsa gago tsotlhe Tona ga di fe tsholofelo ya gore go ka dirwa eng kwa Parwe.
Maloba o ne o re Public Procurement and Asset Disposal Board (PPADB) e rile, gompieno ga gona hope epe ya gore re tlaa emisetswa dikoloi tse tharo.

Parwe, Mahalapye Secondary le Mowana, ga go na le fa e le hope.

Naare Tona le a lemoga gore you are weighing down junior community secondary schools kwa Mahalapye in terms of performance?

Kana barutabana jaanong ba felela ba tshwanelwa ke go taboga ka dikoloi tsa bone, ba tlogela classes, ba dira ditiro tsa lona.
Jaanong o a lemoga gore golo mo ke gone mo go dirang maduo a a re digelang kwa tlase, especially in junior community?

Ke ipotsa gore a le a lemoga selo se?

Fa le se lemoga, le tlaa re thusa jang go ya kwa pele jaaka o bona gore sekole se tshwana le Parwe jaana se se neng se dira sentle, dikarabo tsa gago ga di ba fe tsholofelo gotlhelele?

Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

MS MAKWINJA: Thank you Mr Speaker.

Thank you motlotlegi.

Mathata a ga se a Parwe fela.

Go na le mathata a madi.


Re tshwanetse go lemoga selo seo.

Le fa go ntse jaana, re leka ka bojotlhe.

Jaaka ke bolela, we have pulled the resources gore go baakanngwe dikoloi tse e leng gore di service dikole.

Jaanong re a itse gore fa gongwe go na le kgonagalo ya gore barutabana ba dirise ditsompelo tsa bone go thusa.

Ke gopola gore ba duelwa mileage.

Ga se selo se re se ratang.

Fa ditsompelo di le teng, ga go na gore re ka busetsa thuto kwa morago fela ka bomo Mr Speaker.
Ke re motlotlegi, betsho, re ineleng diatla metsing, ga go na madi.

Fa a ka bo a le teng, ga re ka ke ra sokodisa dikole.

Ya gore maduo a ya kwa tlase ka gore ga go na dikoloi, eo ga re ise re e tlhomamise.

Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.
INTEGRATED PROCUREMENT MANAGEMENT SYSTEM MR K. C. HIKUAMA (NGAMI): asked the Minister of Health and Wellness to explain to this Honourable House the Integrated Procurement Management System (IPMS) used by the Ministry of Health and Wellness; and to further state: (i) the company that introduced it to the ministry, and if it is a local or foreign company; (ii) when it was implemented; (iii) how much it costs the ministry on monthly basis and its effectiveness; and (iv) how much have they spent on it to date.
Later Date.
IMPLEMENTATION OF THE CONSUMER PROTECTION ACT MR T. LETSHOLO (KANYE NORTH): asked the Minister of Investment, Trade and Industry to apprise this Honourable House on his ministry’s implementation of the Consumer Protection Act to encourage local enterprise and protect consumers, more particularly: (i) what are consumers benefiting the Competition and Consumer Authority (CCA) emanating from its mandate on consumer issues; from (ii) what is the distinction between the mandates of CCA and the Consumer Affairs Department; (iii) articulate customer satisfaction levels for the Competition and Consumer Authority over the last five years; 5 Hansard No 205Wednesday 16th March, 2022QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER (iv) what are some of the key achievements of the Competition and Consumer Authority in that time; (v) provide some examples where the authority has successfully ensured consumer rights and enabled consumers to reap the benefits of fair competition; (vi) to state whether the CCA regulate prices, and if so, how, if not, why; (vii) does the CCA mandate extend to State Owned Monopolies/Enterprises (SOE); (viii) how does the CCA relate with other regulators, especially those with a competition and consumer protection mandate, in order to deliver the required benefit for Batswana; (ix) to date, how many applications for mergers and acquisitions have been declined and for what reasons, including public interest issues; articulate a trend analysis so that this Honourable House and the public may be informed on the basis/reasons of rejecting mergers and acquisitions in Botswana.
ACTING MINISTER OF INVESTMENT, TRADE AND INDUSTRY (MR PULE): Sorry Mr Speaker, I am acting for that ministry.

Ke ne ke ithaya ke re re ne re dumalane le Honourable Letsholo to later date it.

MR LETSHOLO: That was yesterday motlotlegi.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Mo go e ba ka go golega Honourable Pule.

instances their products have been prepared.


A tiny fraction of cases that are not resolved through public education and mediation are taken to the Competition and Consumer Tribunal for final adjudication and pronouncement.

In 2021 Mr Speaker, CCA took two matters to the Tribunal and they ended up with redress availed to consumers.

CCA is on the verge of referring a further six cases to Tribunal for redress.
(ii) The mandate of Competition of Consumer Authority, which is a Government parastatal is to prevent and redress anti-competitive business practices in the economy and the removal of constraints on the free play of competition in the market.
The other role is to protect consumer rights by means of investigation, prohibition and control of unfair business practices in the ...(inaudible).. On the other hands the mandate of the Department of Trade and Consumer Affairs which is within the Ministry of Trade and Industry is to issue trade licences to the business community.

Over and above the issuance of licences, the department used to be responsible for consumer protection until the role was transferred Competition and Consumer Authority in 2019.
(iii) Mr Speaker, the customer perception surveys that have carried over the last five years have ranged between 60 per cent and 70 per cent with 60 per cent as the minimum and 70 per cent as the highest rating attained.

(iv) Mr Speaker, some of the key achievements by CCA include the following; MR PULE: Mr Speaker, thank you very much.

Let me go ahead and answer this question.
(a) Successful integration process between consumer protection and competition authority HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ba ka go golega ka e. (b) Removal of barriers and market MR PULE: Mr Speaker, (c) Efficient measures control (i) Consumers have benefited a lot as the Competition and Consumer Authority (CCA) has undertaken a number of public education initiatives to inform consumers about their rights and responsibilities, the rights and responsibilities of businesses and suppliers.
All these are the first line of defence in raising consumer welfare and protecting competition.

Most importantly, the CCA enforcement mechanisms has forced stick compliance by suppliers.

Hundredths of cases have been resolved through mediation and consumers have been able to get refunds exchanges or returns and in other (d) A robust consumer mediation process that is serving many consumers and lastly (e) A strong policy advocacy that is strengthening public policy and removing legal impediments.
(v) Mr Speaker, between January 2021 and December 2021, the CCA dealt with a total of 1, 610 consumer protection related complaints.

A total of 1, 196 were resolved within the year and 414 were being finalised.

Many of those that were resolved involved consumers getting their refunds or allowed returns.

Their goods being repaired or warranties activated.
6 Hansard No 205Wednesday 16th March, 2022QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER (vi) Mr Speaker, the CCA is not mandated to regulate price, it only allows for free and fair competition that will eventually benefit the consumer through a comparative price, improved product quality, as well as widened choice.

Government has long removed price control to allow a free market economy.

100 per cent Apple Juice from the market.


Information was disseminated advising consumers about this recall and their legal rights to demand a refund if they already made purchases.

In some instances, CCA stepped in, to pursue suppliers to refund consumers.

With all these relationships, CCA has always been in the first line of defence for consumer protection.
(vii) Mr Speaker, the mandate of CCA does not extend to State Owned Enterprises (SOE) as this is expressly excluded by Section 3.3 and (b) of the Competition Act of 2018.

However, if an SOE were to engage in an activity business or trade, that is open to participation by other enterprises then the mandate of CCA will extend to it in respect of the activity business or trade that are engaged that are engaged in.
regular and maintain (viii) Mr Speaker, the Competition Act of 2018 and Consumer Protection Act of 2018 ...(inaudible)… the CCA to enter into relationships with sector regulators contacts.

Competition of Consumer Authority has therefore entered into relationships with Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) with a number of regulators.
In this regard CCA has entered into MoU with the following regulators, Bank of Botswana, Botswana Energy Regulatory Authority (BERA), Civil Aviation Authority of Botswana (CAAB) Companies and Intellectual Property Authority (CIPA), Botswana Communications and Regulatory Authority (BOCRA), Botswana Bureau of Standards (BOBS) and a tripartite MoU with Directorate of Corruption and Economic Crime (DCEC) and Public Procurement and Asset Disposal Board (PPADB).
In terms of the MoU’s joined working groups have been created where at mutually beneficial information is shared, joined enforcement and public awareness activities are planned and executed.

In addition Mr Speaker, CCA has cordial and collaborative relationship with various ministries, in particular the Ministry of Health and Wellness.
Relationship with the aforesaid sectors, regulators and Government ministries and has led to operations that successfully led to positive benefits being extended to Botswana.

This include the removal and recall of unsafe and/or expired goods from the market.
In July 2021 and September 2021 respectively, through a collaborative effort with Ministry of Health and Wellness saw the removal of canned Koo Beans and the canned and bottled Appletiser Sparkling (ix) Mr Speaker, the authority has declined a total of three major applications since inception.

The reasons are stated below; is quite a long statement, but maybe I have to just go through it.

Security The acquisition by G4S Botswana Limited, Trojan Security Services Property Limited...

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MR SPEAKER: Honourable Minister are you done?

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MR SPEAKER: Honourable Pule.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ke rile let us go to the Chamber a re o salela ntlwana.

HONOURABLE MEMBERS: ...(Laughter!)...

MR SPEAKER: Honourable Pule!

HONOURABLE MEMBERS: ...(Murmurs)... HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible)… Moruakgomo o sa le a buile ka kgang e bogologolo, ga gona …(inaudible)… HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ke ne ka sekaseka ka bona e a ka e kgonang le e a ka se keng a e kgone.
MR SPEAKER: Honourable Minister Pule.

HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ga se gore re tseye Question Number 6?

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Rra?

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ga se gore re tseye Question Number 6, Rre Pule go lebega a sena maikaelelo a go boa?

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Honourable Speaker, ke network kwa go Honourable Pule.

7 Hansard No 205Wednesday 16th March, 2022QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER MR SPEAKER: Ke network?

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Nnyaa, ga se network.


HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… CONSTRUCTION OF RECEPTION CLASSROOMS MR C. GREEFF (GABORONE BONNINGTON SOUTH): asked the Minister of Local Government and Rural Development when he will construct reception classrooms in the Gaborone Bonnington South primary schools namely; Boswa, Tlhabologo and Bophirima.

OF MINISTER ASSISTANT LOCAL GOVERNMENT AND RURAL DEVELOPMENT (MR MODUKANELE): Ke a leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente.
Ke a leboga Rre Greeff, ke lebogele potso e o e re beileng pele, ke dumedise le Mapalamente.

Mr Speaker, my ministry continues to provide reception classrooms and other projects components like classrooms and teachers’ quarters under the Backlog Eradication Programme in all schools nationwide.

This has however not been fully achieved on account of budget constraints.

Bophirima has been earmarked for construction of reception classroom in the 2022/2023 financial year.
Boswa and Tlhabologo currently use existing classrooms that have not been in use as reception classes.

Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

MR GREEFF: Tanki Mr Speaker, ke lebogela karabo sir.

MR MODUKANELE: Thank you Greeff.

PUBLIC AMBULANCE DRIVERS MR M. REATILE (JWANENG-MABUTSANE): asked the Minister of Health and Wellness if public ambulances are driven by trained emergency care personnel; and if so, when last were they trained.
ASSISTANT MINISTER OF HEALTH AND WELLNESS (MR LELATISITSWE): Thank you so much Mr Speaker.

Ke supe jalo gore potso ke a e amogela go tswa kwa go Honourable Reatile.

Ministry of Health and Wellness o na le three categories ya bakgweetsi ba ambulances.

Botlhe ba dirisa Central Transport Organisation (CTO) licences go kgweetsa ambulances tsa rona.

8 Category e nngwe ke ya ba re ba fitlhelang mo our Emergency Medical Services (EMS) departments tse re di simolotseng.
Ba ke ba e leng gore have undergone the First Responders’ Course, e e lekang to equip them ka tsone tsa tshoganetso.

Course e ke e e leng gore e ba thusa jalo mo management wa bolwetse kana go thusana le bone baoki jalo.

Re supe gore those who attended the course, it was on the 18th August to the 25th September, 2014.

The other group ke ya Emergency Medical Technicians (EMT), ba ba bidiwang the paramedics kana baoki jalo.

These are professionals who are trained on the Emergency Medical Care Mr Speaker.
Fela go araba potso go e wetsa ke gore all our drivers are not trained emergency care personnel ka gore ba a bo ba tsamaya jalo le baoki ba e leng gore they are trained.

Ke a leboga.

MR REATILE: Thank you Mr Speaker.

Tla ke go leboge Tona.

Tona, a re ne re leka gore re tsene fela mo nneteng ka bokhutshwane, gore re tle re kgone go thusana go aga lefatshe la Botswana.
Ke ne ke batla gore o re tlhalosetse gore fa o re batho bao ke ba ba kgweetsang ba tswa kwa CTO, a o bolelela Palamente gore ke ba ba setseng e le gore o ba fetisitse ka first aid?

Ka ke batho ba ba tshelang le balwetse, ba tshwanetse go dira eng ka gore re amogela queries tse dintsi go tswa mo baoking gore kana mathata a mangwe a re nang nao, ke gore le bone bakgweetsi ga ba na le fa e le lesedi la first aid.
Wa re o simolotse leng programme e motlotlegi, ya batho ba e leng gore ba kwa Manxotae kwa kgaolong ya gago, kwa bo Beetsha, Mabutsane, Kokong le Thankane gore ba bo ba na le boitemogelo jone jo?

Ba o reng o ba rutuntshitse, o rutuntshitse ba le kae gone maloba jaana?

Ke a leboga.

MR LELATISITSWE: Thank you so much Mr Speaker.

Ke supile jalo gore bakgweetsi ba rona, ga se botlhe who are trained mo course eo ya Emergency Care Personnel, e e leng gore is offered, e teng mo lefatsheng la rona.
Se ke se buang ke gore kana bakgweetsi ba ba bo ba kgweetsa ambulance ka CTO license, ba na le baoki ba ba tlhokometseng molwetse.

Jaanong ga se gore mokgweetsi ka boene o a bo e le gore jaanong o thusana le mooki mo kgannyeng ya go tlhokomela molwetse.

Re a amogela Mr Speaker, gore go a tlhokafala jaaka o bona re simolotse Department e ya EMS.
Ke e re beileng paramedics, bone ba e leng gore ka thutego ya Hansard No 205Wednesday 16th March, 2022QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER bone ga go tlhokafale gore gotwe motho ke mokgweetsi kana ke eng.

Ba botlhe fela ba tlaabo ba rutuntshitswe mo go tshwareng motho on EMS kana dikotsi fa di diragala jalo.
Mr Speaker, lephata le re le diretse sone gore batho ba ka gore ba simolotse ba seo mo lefatsheng la rona, jaaka re ntse re tlaabo re le godisa ka different financial years, re batla gore kwa bofelong bakgweetsi botlhe kana botlhe ba ba tshwara molwetse mo dinakong tsa transporting balwetse from one end to the other, e bo e le ba ba bidiwang Medical Emergency Technicians, paramedics le baoki fela.
Jaanong mo bogompienong ke a supa jalo gore re santse re dirisa bakgweetsi ba e leng gore are not trained, mme ba a bo ba tsamaya le baoki jalo.

Mr Speaker, kwa mafatsheng a mangwe baoki ga ba tsene mo dikoloing tsone tse jaaka go dirwa, go dira paramedics fela and hand molwetse kwa sepateleng kana kwa clinic, kwa a tlaabong a isiwa teng.

Ke gone kwa re tsamaelang teng mme ke process e re e simolotseng jaaka ke buile gore ngwaga le ngwaga fa re kopa madi, re a supa jalo gore we are expanding our EMS.
Ke gone kwa re gogelang teng rra gore re ye go felela re goroga foo.

Ke a leboga.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: The last supplementary Mr Speaker.

MR SPEAKER: We have run out of time.

I am afraid, we have to do the budget.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Mathata ga a na timeline e a re e neelang, o tlotla fela.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Procedure Mr Speaker.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Le tlhole Honourable Pule, kgotsa o ile go ipolaya.

OF MINISTER ASSISTANT LOCAL GOVERNMENT AND RURAL DEVELOPMENT (MR PULE): Procedure.
Mr Speaker, ke ne ka latlhegelwa ke maranyane fa ke ntse ke tsweletse.

Jaanong ga ke itse gore ke ka dira jang.

Can I give this answer to Honourable Letsholo, but it is a very long question?

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Nnyaa, mong wa yone o tla e araba kamoso, ga gona molato.

MR SPEAKER: I know that it is a long question but it has not been answered, at least not satisfactorily.

MR PULE: Okay.

MR SPEAKER: Which means it must come again on the Order Paper.

MR PULE: Tanki Mr Speaker.


HONOURABLE MEMBER: E tlaa tla ka bo May.

ASSEMBLY IN COMMITTEE (CHAIRPERSON in the Chair) APPROPRIATION (2022/2023) BILL, 2022 (NO.
2 OF 2022) ORGANISATION 1800 - MINISTRY OF LAND MANAGEMENT, WATER AND SANITATION SERVICES (Resumed Debate) (MR MR CHAIRPERSON SKELEMANI): Honourable Members, when the House adjourned yesterday, Honourable Minister for Land Management, Water and Sanitation Services, Honourable Mzwinila, was replying to the debate and he is left with 19 minutes 51 seconds.

MINISTER OF LAND MANAGEMENT, WATER AND SANITATION SERVICES (MR MZWINILA): Ke a leboga Motlotlegi Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente.
Ke ne ke santse ke tsibogela mafoko a ga motlotlegi, ke araba fa ke kgonang gore ke arabe teng.
Motlotlegi Rre Mmolotsi o ne a bua gore go na le ditiego mabapi le kabo ya ditsha, mme ke ne ka tlhalosa gore re mo ditogamaanong tsa go fefosa kabo ya ditsha ka gore go ntse go na le bothata ka dikgang tse di mmalwa, tse di tshwanang le gore re ne re sena tomagano sentle le ba physical planning, mme ke tseela gore re mo thulaganyong ya gore go nne le tomagano eo gore layouts ka gore layout, ke one o bayang ditsha mo moalong.
Layout ke gone go baya ditsha mo base map, di ntse di diega kwa go ba physical planning, mme ke tsaya gore re na le thulaganyo ya go dira jalo gore re fefose tsamaiso eo.

Gape ke ne ka tlhalosa gore go ntse go na le tiego ya Strategic Environmental Assessments (SEAs), mme re mo dipuisanong kana re dumalane le ba lephata la merero ya tsa tikologo gore re dire jang go fefosa tsamaiso ya SEAs.

Ke ne ke tlhalosa mo pegong ya me gore re na le maikaelelo a go aba ditsha di le kae mo ngwageng wa madi o.
9 Hansard No 205Wednesday 16th March, 2022ORGANISATION 1800- MINISTRY OF LAND MANAGEMENT, WATER AND SANITATION SERVICESCommittee of Supply (Resumed Debate) O ne a bua gape gore o akanya gore dikopo tsa lefatshe, mo re ka reng applications, gore fa moikopedi a sa tlhole a le mo botshelong, kopo ya gagwe e tsewe ke ba lelwapa la gagwe kana bajaboswa ba gagwe.

Ke ne ka tlhalosa gore tota e ga re ka ke ra dumalana le yone ka gore kopo ya gore o neelwe setsha, ga se gore o se neetswe.
Re ne re santse re tlile go kopana le wena re buisana le wena.

O ne o santse o tsile go tsenelela thulaganyo e re e bitsang re re interview, re go botsolotsa dipotso, re tlhaloganya dilo dingwe ka wena.

Ga se gore fa o le moikopedi, re setse re go neetse lefatshe ka gore go na le dilo dingwe tse di neng di tshwanetse go diragala pele ga re ka go neela lefatshe.
Legale fa e le gore o ne o neetswe lekwalo la gore o neetswe lefatshe, mo gotweng allocation, foo re a dumalana gore bajaboswa ba gago, ba ka tla ba tsaya allocation ya gago fa e le gore o tlaabo o sa tlhole o le mo botshelong.

Go raya gore allocation yone e ka jewa boswa, mme e seng application.

Motlotlegi gape o ne a bua… MR MOATLHODI: On a point of clarification.

Ke a go leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente.

Ke a go leboga Motlotlegi Rraetsho Tona.


Ntlha e o buang ka yone Motlotlegi Tona, a o raya e le selo se se teng, se a diragala jaaka re bua jaana, kana ke se se tlaa diragalang?

Fa e le gore se teng, se a diragala, a o itse fa land boards tsa gago di re bogisa, di dira exactly the opposite of what you are saying, and what is your take on that one?

MR MZWINILA: Ke a leboga motlotlegi.

Ke bua se se tshwanetseng gore se diragale mo nakong ya gompieno, e seng kakanyetso.
Fa o santse o kwaletswe mokwalo, o beilwe setsha le fa o ise o se bontshiwe, o neetswe setsha, ke gore o beilwe, jaanong allocation e ka jewa boswa.

Fa e le gore go na le land boards dingwe tse e leng gore ga di tlhaloganye, ke tlaa kopa gore motlotlegi a mpolelele gore ke bomang, ke bo ke buisane le bone.

MR MOATLHODI: Go siame.

MR BROOKS: Clarification Mr Chairperson.

Thank you Mr Chairperson.

Ga ke itse gore a ke ka re ke clarification.


Ke kopa fela gore a Minister a kwalele land boards tsotlhe ka gore lefatshe lotlhe le apesitswe kobo ka letshoba ke yone kgang ya go nna jalo.

Jaaka Rre Moatlhodi a sa tswa go e bua, e se ka ya nna a specific land board e e kwalelwang, a kwalele land boards tsotlhe for kgang e e ntseng jalo.

Thank you sir.

MR MZWINILA: Ke a leboga motlotlegi.


Ke tsaya gore ke bogakolodi jo bo siameng, re tlaa dira jalo, e bile ke ya go kopana le bone mo dibekeng tse pedi, ke tlaa ba tlhalosetsa jalo.

Motlotlegi o ne a bua ka gore ba ba mo nyalong e e boitshepo, go botlhokwa gore mongwe le mongwe wa bone a nne le setsha.

Land Policy, melawana kana tsamaiso ya pele, e ne e re fa e le gore o mo nyalong, a le mongwe fela wa lona, o ka tla a ikopela setsha, mme re ne ra fetola tsamaiso eo ka 2019.
Ke tsaya gore mo sebakeng sa gompieno, mongwe le mongwe yo o mo nyalong, o na le tshwanelo fela e e tshwanang le ya mongwe le mongwe gore a nne le setsha kana a ikopele setsha, paakanyo e re ne ra e dira ka ngwaga wa 2019.

MR MMOLOTSI: Clarification Minister.

Thank you Mr Chairperson.


Mo go yone eo Tona, ke a lemoga ka ke ne ke le teng fa re baakanya molao oo, mme jaanong ke ne ke re, a mme ga o bone gore gongwe go a tlhokafala gore those who were disadvantaged by the policy e, ka bontsi jwa bone ke batho ba ba sa bolong go nyalwa bogologolo, ba godile, gongwe go diriwe a special window e ba ka kgonang go ikopela, mme ba se ke ba ya go fola line kwa moragorago ka gore otherwise ba ya go tlhokafala ba ise ba bone ditsha?

MR MZWINILA: Ke a leboga motlotlegi.


Ga re ka ke ra dira jalo ka gore ka nako e go neng go ganwa gore yo mongwe a ikopele setsha, go ne go na le melawana e e mo tirisong.

Melawana e e mo tirisong e ne e sa letle gore go dirwe jalo, go raya gore ka tsamaiso, go ne go dirwa sentle.

Go ne go dirwa ka fa molaong kana melawana e e mo tirisong.

Ga re kgone gore jaanong ka gore re tsere tshwetso ka 2019, re boele morago ka gore go ne go na le molawana o re neng re o dirisa ka 2018 le 2017.
So ga re ka ke ra boela morago re re re ya go baakanya molawana o o neng o le teng o le mo tirisong o tshela.

We cannot do it retroactively, fa ke ka tlhalosa ka Sekgoa.

Se ke se buang ke gore tota gone foo, go ka nna bokete, go ka nna thata mo go rona motlotlegi go dira jalo.

Ke a go utlwa, ke a go tlhaloganya, mme go ka nna bokete go dira jalo.
Motlotlegi o ne a bua ka kgang ya home ownership gore go botlhokwa go rotloetsa Batswana gore mo go botlhokwa ke gore motho a nne le kwa a nnang teng, e seng gore a nne le setsha.

Re mo thulaganyong ya go dira jalo gore tota gone kgang ke gore motho a nne le bonno, a nne le ntlo, a nne le kwa a nnang teng, e seng gore motho a nne le setsha.
Re tsena mo dithulaganyong go bona gore go na le ba ba ka re thusang go tlhabolola ditsha gore e nne matlo a double kana triple storey, flats kana multi-residential mo batho ba bantsi, ba kgonang gore ba tsene mo setsheng se le sengwe fela e le thulaganyo yone eo.

Ke tseela gore ke mogopolo o re o amogelang.


10 Hansard No 205Wednesday 16th March, 2022ORGANISATION 1800- MINISTRY OF LAND MANAGEMENT, WATER AND SANITATION SERVICESCommittee of Supply (Resumed Debate) Motlotlegi o ne a bua ka kgang ya double allocation, a re mo double allocation go raya gore ke corruption.

Kgang ya double allocation ga se corruption, ke gore se e leng gore se a tle se diragale... MR SALESHANDO: Ke kopa tlhaloso.

Thank you Mr Chairperson.


Ka bokhutshwane Tona, under the thinking ya one Government, o dira eng mo go ya go leka go tsenya batho mo setsheng se le sengwe fela gore molao wa Sectional Title o fetolwe gore go nne motlhofo?

Go na le dikgoreletsi tse di kganelang mo bogompienong gore flats tsa Botswana Housing Corporation (BHC), le fa e se lephata la gago, batho ba ba batlang go di reka ka Sectional Title, ba kgone go di bona, a ke sengwe se le wena o nang le seabe mo go lekeng go se fetola?
MR MZWINILA: Ke a leboga motlotlegi.

Ke tseela gore re mo thulaganyong ya go bona gore re ka tla ra baakanya molao wa Sectional Title.

Ke tseela gore ke a dumalana gore go tshwanetse go nne le paakanyo eo, mme jaaka o buile motlotlegi, ga se thulaganyo e e mo lephateng la me, e mo lephateng le sele.

Ke tsaya gore ba tlaa tla ba bega ka kgang eo, mme rona re a e rotloetsa gape re e eme nokeng gore go nne le paakanyo eo.

Motlotlegi o ne a bua ka kgang ya double allocations.
Ke gore double allocations di a tle di diragale ka gore land boards di simolotse ka 1970, mme pele ga 1970, go ne go na le dipeo tsa ditsha, di ne di dirwa ke Bogosi kana ba bangwe ba ne ba ipaya.

Go atle go diragale gore land board e ye go baya motho kwa e leng gore mo thulaganyong, files kana mo mealong ya bone, ga ba bone gore go kile ga bewa motho foo.

Fa go nang le kgang eo, e a rarabololwa fela sentle, ka thuso ya ba Bogosi.
Ga gona corruption e e diragalang foo, ke thulaganyo e e tlwaelesegileng, e a bo e diragala ka gore land boards di tsere fela ka 1970, mme pele ga 1970 go ne go na le dipeo tsa Bogosi le ba ba neng ba ipaya.

Motlotlegi Segokgo o ne a bua ka thulaganyo ya gore go na le tlhabololo ya Namibia, kana ya go tsaya metsi kwa Atlantic Ocean go a tlisa mo Botswana.
O ne a kopa gore re e fefose, ke tsaya gore re mo thulaganyong ya gore re fefose tlhabololo ya teng, e e tlaabong e le nngwe ya ditharabololo tsa sennelaruri ya tlhaelo ya metsi mo lefatsheng la rona, ka go na le tlhaelo ya metsi mo lefatsheng la rona.

Metsi a a leng teng, ga a lekane tsotlhe tse re di tlhokelang metsi, mme re mo thulaganyong ya gore re tseye metsi kwa ntle ga lefatshe re a tsenye mo Botswana, re oketse metsi a a mo Botswana.
Motlotlegi o ne a bua ka kgang ya gore go na le batswakwa ba le bantsi ba ba nang le lefatshe.

Re le lephata ga re neele batswakwa lefatshe, melao ya rona ga e letle gore re abele batswakwa lefatshe.

Se se diragalang ke gore, Batswana bangwe ba tlaabo ba nna le ditumalano le batswakwa, ba dira mo go ka bitswang gotwe ke sub-lease gore ba ba neele lefatshe leo kana ba dirise lefatshe leo.

MR NKAWANA: Clarification.


Tona, ga ke go utlwe sentle gore a o bua o papametse gore Goromente ga a neele bape lefatshe ba e seng Batswana.

Re tshela re utlwa le re le ile go bitsa bagwebi go tswa kwa ntle, e bile le ikaelela gore fa ba tla ka projects tse di rileng, le bo le neela dikompone tsa teng lefatshe le ba ka direlang mo go lone, ba sa ye go reka mo mmarakeng.

A se ke boammaaruri kgotsa ke a lora honourable?

MR MZWINILA: Ee, mma ke tlhalose.


Ditsha tsa bonno tse di mo lefatsheng la morafe, ga go kgonagale gore land board e abele motswakwa.

Fa go nang le mmeeletsi mongwe kana babeeletsi ba ba tswang kwa lefatsheng le sele ba tsile go tlhama ditiro kana go bula madirelo, go na le thulaganyo e go ka kopiwang kwa lephateng, bogolo jang thata kwa go Tona wa lephata gore babeeletsi bao ba neelwe lefatshe.

Ba neelwa lefatshe ka mo re ka reng thulaganyo e e faphegileng.
Ke bua ka thulaganyo ya malatsi otlhe, mo thulaganyong ya malatsi otlhe, ga re neele batswakwa lefatshe.

Go na le thulaganyo e e faphegileng ya gore fa e le gore go na le babeeletsi ba ba rileng, ba Lephata la Peeletso, Papadi le Madirelo ba re kwalela mokwalo gore go na le ba ba batlang go bula madirelo, foo re a tlhamega gore re ba neele lefatshe ka thulaganyo e e faphegileng eo.

Motlotlegi o ne a bua gape a lebogela gore re tswa to approve go simolodisa semmuso Tlokweng Development Plan.
Ke thulaganyo ya gore ditlhabololo di ya go tsamaya ka tsela e e ntseng jang kwa motseng wa Tlokweng.

Re lebogela seo motlotlegi.

Motlotlegi Lesaso o ne a bua ka thulaganyo ya gore re netefatse gore re na le maranyane a a kgonang gore a kanoke boleng jwa metsi.

Re mo thulaganyong eo, ka thuso ya ba World Bank, gore re nne le boranyane joo jwa go kanoka boleng jwa metsi, go netefatsa gore fa nako e ntse e tsamaya, re nne le boranyane jo tsamaelanang le dipaka tsa gompieno.
Motlotlegi o ne a bua ka kgang ya tshomarelo ya metsi, e botlhokwa thata.

O ne a bua gape ka gore go na le 2480 plots tse di yang go nna teng kwa motseng wa Shoshong.

O ne a bua ka bills tse di kwa godimo tsa metsi, tse fa gongwe go diragalang 11 Hansard No 205Wednesday 16th March, 2022ORGANISATION 1800- MINISTRY OF LAND MANAGEMENT, WATER AND SANITATION SERVICESCommittee of Supply (Resumed Debate) jalo ka gore go na le phoso e e diragetseng.
Bontsi jwa nako, dituelo kana mo go kwadilweng mo pampiring ya dituelo, ke mo go siameng kana go tsamaelanang le tiriso ya metsi, mme fa gongwe go tlaabo go diragetse phoso mabapi le ba gongwe ba balang meter.

MR LUCAS: Clarification.

Rre Mzwinila, gongwe o ka tswa o e amile ke sa a ka ka e tshwara.

Fa o bua ka go dirisa boranyane mo tirisanong ya lona le setšhaba, go na le ba ba setseng ba akanya gore gongwe fela jaaka ba motlakase, le dire prepaid.
Mo o duelelang metsi kwa pele, a o tla a dirisang, ka gore ba tshwenngwa thata ke these bills.

Ba dumela gore ga di boammaaruri, di a ba tsietsa.

A le setse le na le thulaganyo eo kgotsa le atle le e akanye, fa e le gore le atle le e akanye, re e solofele leng?

Ke a leboga.

MR MZWINILA: Ke a leboga motlotlegi, re na le thulaganyo eo, re e bitsa re re Smart Metering.

Go na le pharologanyo fa gare ga prepaid meter le smart meter.
Re mo thulaganyong ya smart meter, re simolotse tekeletso ya teng mo Gaborone.

Re ne ra e simolola kwa sekoleng sa Nanogang, re bo re e atolosa re dira tekeletso ya teng, jaanong re ya go e simolodisa semmuso kwa Village mo Gaborone.

Maikaelelo a rona ke gore re atolose thulaganyo ya teng lefatshe lotlhe.

Go go araba ka bokhutshwane ke gore, e teng thulaganyo eo, re mo ditekeletsong tsa meters tsa teng go bona gore a di re berekela sentle.
Motlotlegi Lesaso o ne a bua ka metsi a Dibete le metse e mengwe, ke mo tlhomamisetse semmuso gore re na le tlhabololo e e bitswang gore North-South Carrier (NSC) 2.2.

Tlhabololo ya teng re e simolola ngwaga o, re ya go batla borakonteraka ngwaga o. E ya go isa metsi kwa metseng ya Dibete, Poloka, Mookane le Mmaphashalala.

Go araba fela ka bokhutshwane ke gore, re na le thulaganyo le tlhabololo e re e simololang mo ngwageng o wa madi gore re ise metsi kwa metseng e o neng o bua ka yone motlotlegi.
O ne a bua gore go nne le water authority, ke dumalana le ene gore go nne le water authority kana water regulator, bogolo jang thata jaaka re simolola dithulaganyo tsa Public Private Partnership (PPP).

Motlotlegi Tshere o ne a bua ka kgang ya bills, ke tsaya gore ke buile gore fa gongwe go diragetse phoso, mme fa e le gore botsadi bo bona gore nnyaa, bill e ga se yone sentle, ke ba rotloetsa gore ba ye kwa koporaseng ya metsi, ba ye go buisana le bone gore bill e ga se yone sentle.
Ba ye go sekaseka gore a mme meter wa bone o siame e bile o bala sentle, dilo tse di ntseng jalo.

Jaaka ke bua, bontsi jwa nako go a balwa e bile go kwalwa sentle, mme go atle go diragale diphoso.

Fa e le gore go diragetse phoso, ba Water Utilities Corporation (WUC) ba a amogela phoso ya teng, ba bo ba baakanya.

Motlotlegi o ne a bua ka thulaganyo ya Mahalapye Industrial Phase II, a batla gore ke mo neele tekodiso ya gore go diragala eng.
Ke ka mo lekodisa gore re na le project e bitswa gotwe Tswapong Phase I Project, e re mo thulaganyong ya tendering.

Mo Tswapong Phase I re tsentse tlhabololo kana go tsenya metsi kwa Mahalapye Industrial Phase II.

Go raya gore ke yone karabo e ke ka e mo neelang mo sebakeng sa gompieno.

O ne a botsa gore pipe ya Masama, ke eng fa o kare e senyegile kana ga e bereke sentle.

Nnyaa, pipe ya Masama e bereka sentle.


Beke e e fetileng re ne ra tsaya babegadikgang ba dipampiri tse di farologaneng ra ba isa kwa Masama mo pipeline, ra ba supegetsa sengwe le sengwe, gore ba iponele gore pipeline ya Masama e a bereka.

Se se neng se diragala mo Gaborone dibeke tse pedi kana tse tharo tse di fetileng ke gore, re ne re na le mathata a motlakase mo NSC.

Gape re bo re nna le mathata a motlakase mo Masama yo mongwe, kana Masama ke didiba kana metswedi e pedi, go na le kwa West le East.
E e kwa East e ne e na le motlakase, e e kwa West e ne e sena motlakase.

Re ne ra nna le bothata joo.

NSC le Masama, tsotlhe di ne di sa bereke nako e le nngwefela.

Re bo re nna le bothata jwa metsi, a sa tle mo Gaborone.

Re ne ra tlhalosa, go ntsha pelaelo mo bathong, ra tsaya babegadikgang ra ba isa teng gore le bone ba ye go iponela ka sebele gore pipeline le Masama di bereka sentle.
Honourable Autlwetse o ne a bua ka kgang ya gore, gongwe re ye go kopa kadimo e nngwe gape gore re tswelele ka ditlhabololo tsa rona, ke go utlwile motlotlegi, ke bogakolodi jwa lona, re tlaa bua le ba ba maleba mo kgannyeng eo.

O ne a bua ka pipes tse di tsofetseng tse di setseng di sa bereke sentle, di dutla metsi.

Gore re ntšhafatse madirelo le pipes tsa rona, go batla ditlamelo le madi.

Ke tsaya gore mo tsamaong ya nako, re tlaa thusiwa ka madi a gore re dire jalo.
O ne a bua ka high water bills, ke buile ka tsone.

Motlotlegi Mma Makwinja o ne a bua ka kgang ya gore go na le ditiego mabapi le plot allocations, mme ke tsaya gore ke lekile go e tlhalosa.

Gape ke lekile go tlhalosa gore ditumalano tsa rona ke eng go yeng kwa pele mo ngwageng wa madi, gore re fokotse mosuke wa batho ba ba ikopelang ditsha.

O ne a bua gore go nne le thulaganyo e e faphegileng ya ba re ba bitsang single parents.
Ke tsaya gore ke mogopolo motlotlegi, re tlaa o sekaseka gore a mme go nne jalo.

12 Hansard No 205Wednesday 16th March, 2022ORGANISATION 1800- MINISTRY OF LAND MANAGEMENT, WATER AND SANITATION SERVICESCommittee of Supply (Resumed Debate) Land Policy ya gompieno ga e na family faction ya single parents.

Ke tsaya gore motlotlegi o ne a ntsha mogopolo gore re akanye ka kgang eo.

Ke amogela gore ke mogopolo o re ka o akanyang ra bona gore a mme thulaganyo eo e ka nna teng.
Motlotlegi Lucas o ne a bua gore go na le tiego ya transfers, ke tseela gore ke ba tlhaloseditse gore go tshwanetse gore go nne ka tsela e e ntseng jang.

O ne a bua ka high water bills mme se se botlhokwa se a neng a bua ka sone, se e leng gore ga ke ise ke se akanye ke gore, fa ke le kwa Portfolio Committee, ke ne ka tlhalosa gore tlhabololo ya Thune e mo kabong e ya madi.

Ke tseela gore re ya go e simolola mo ngwageng o wa madi.
Mr Chairperson, as I conclude my presentation of the 2022/2023 Budget proposals, I move that the sum of Nine Hundred and Forty-One Million, Seven Hundred and Sixty Thousand, Three Hundred and Ninety Pula (P941, 760, 390.00) for the Recurrent Budget be approved and stand part of the 2022/2023 Appropriation Bill (No.
1 of 2022) for Organisation 1800 and that a sum of Five Billion, and Sixty Four Million, Seven Hundred and Ninety-Eight Thousand, Three Hundred and Fifty Eight Pula (P5, 064, 798, 358.00) for the Development Budget be approved and stand part of the same Schedule of the Appropriation (2022/2023) for Organisation 1800.

I move accordingly.

I thank you Mr Chairperson.

Question put and agreed to.


ORGANISATION 2000 - MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT, NATURAL RESOURCES CONSERVATION AND TOURISM MR CHAIRPERSON: Honourable Members, note that two hours 50 minutes have been allocated to this organisation and I will call upon the Honourable Minister to reply to the debate at 1725 hours today and the question will be put at 1755 hours.

MINISTER OF ENVIRONMENT, NATURAL RESOURCES CONSERVATION AND TOURISM (MS KERENG): Thank you Mr Chairperson.
A very good afternoon to you and the Honourable House.

Mr Chairperson, I have the honour to present to this Honourable House the 2022/23 Recurrent and Development Budget requests for the Ministry of Environment, Natural Resources Conservation and Tourism.

First, beginning with the budget performance for the previous year.
The ministry’s total provision for the 2021/2022 financial year amounted to One Billion, One Hundred and Eighty-Seven Million, One Hundred and Seventy Thousand, Six Hundred and Ten Pula (P1, 187, 170, 610.00).

This budget was comprised of Three Hundred and Thirty-Nine Million and Hundred and Fifty Thousand Pula (P339, 150, 000.00) for the Development Budget and Eight Hundred and Forty-Eight Million, Twenty Thousand, Six Hundred and Ten Pula (P848, 020, 610.00) for the Recurrent Budget.
P239 000,000.00 was lost in that budget to augment COVID-19 budget.

Mr Chairperson, I wish to report that out of the budget that was allocated, 92 per cent was spent on the Development Budget while 85 per cent was spent on the Recurrent Budget marking a significant improvement in the performance of the budget for the ministry.

Mr Chairperson, I wish to highlight the successes and challenges starting with the successes.
We have been able to secure technical support through our resource mobilisation through which we have had financial support from the Global Environmental Facility (GEF) amounting to US$100 million and also from the United Nations Development Plan (UNDP) same budget that has helped us to implement projects in Kgalagadi and Ghanzi Districts.

I wish also to also mention that we have secured funding from the Kavango Zambezi (KAZA) Trans-Frontier initiative to assist our conservation initiative.
We also have secured funding from United States Agency for International Development (USAID) to conduct revised Management Plans for Chobe and Moremi Game Reserve.

Mr Chairperson, we continue to avail funding to for our communities on conservation through our National Environmental Fund (NEF).
In Wildlife Management Mr Chairperson, we have developed as a strategy to mitigate Human-Wildlife Conflict and we have constructed a 60 kilometres (km) fence on the western side of Makgadikgadi and Nxai National Park.

We have also constructed boreholes to mitigate human/wildlife conflict.
Climate Change Mitigations; Mr Chairperson, my ministry through support of Development Partners, we managed to develop a National Climate Change Policy which was adopted by this Honourable House 13 Hansard No 205Wednesday 16th March, 2022ORGANISATION 2000 - MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT, NATURAL RESOURCES CONSERVATION AND TOURISMCommittee of Supply last year in April.
We have since implemented these policy recommendations through establishing a Climate Change Unit and assigning a special Coordinator for this programme.

We will continue to develop our Nationally Determined Contribution (NDC) to determine the economic impacts of climate change on Botswana’s development.
We have also signed the treaty on the Southern African Science Service Centre for Climate Change which is availing support for us in terms of research, constructing the office and also funding our PhD national students.

Natural Resources utilisation; Mr Chairperson, forest and range resources provide a critical role in improving the livelihoods.
Last year our people were engaged in harvesting of veldt products and they have been able to generate income of Thirty-Seven Million, Nine Hundred Pula (P37,000, 900.00).

Ke raya ba ba bapalang phane firewood and fetching grass.

Mr Chairperson, through the assistance of Japanese International Cooperation Agency (JICA) we have been able to develop the management plan for the Kazuma forest reserve.
I have also mentioned that we have been able to complete the development of the management plans for Chobe and Moremi Management Plans.

Mr Chairperson, we continue on our environmental conscious behaviour building by intensifying tree planting and so far 52 700 trees were planted during the financial year against a target of 150,000.

We wish to encourage tree planting as a climate change response initiative.
Community Based Natural Resources Management (CBNRM); Mr Chairperson, we have been able to avail resources and funding to develop a predator park at Mokoboxane.

We are also working on developing another nature reserve at Motlhware in Letlhakeng which we have already been able to resources with wildlife and we expect that the tourism product in the area is going to be enhanced as well as job creation.
The Ngoma Campsite has been allocated to PALEKA Trust and we have made a significant development in the establishment of the campsite there and also to install the site gate at Ngoma and Kazungula.

I wish to indicate that the hunting quotas for the 2022 hunting season comprising of citizen-hunting quota, community-managed quota, concession quota and the special elephant quota have already been issued.
From the special elephant quota of 70 elephants, we have been able to generate the amount of Twenty-Four Million, One Hundred Thousand Pula (P24, 100,000) from the sale of quota.
Tourism Development Expo Dubai 2020 Participation Mr Chairperson, we have well participated in the Expo 2020 Dubai where we were able to hold Botswana Tourism Business Conference attended by 72 agents from the Middle East and across the world and also held a media launch of the Botswana pavilion with a media interaction attended by 30 media houses.

We also held Botswana Sundowner, showcasing Botswana’s culture and food Mr Chairperson.
Tourism Product Diversification Mr Chairperson, our tourism has been based mainly on wildlife-based product, therefore, there is need to transform this sector by developing new tourism products that are less dependent on wildlife.

In this regard, the Tourism Master Plan for Kasane and Kazungula with the assistance of the United Nations World Tourism Organisation (UNWTO) has been completed and we are going to avail 41 tourism concessions in both Kasane and Kazungula following this redevelopment process.
Dams Tourism We have availed three sites at the Gaborone Dam, three sites at Shashe Dam Citizen for citizen-owned companies while Letsibogo and Thune Dams will be availed for communities around those areas to operate tourism businesses.

Agro-Tourism Mr Chairperson, we are improving in terms of marketing and publicising the agro-tourism product.

There are 10 licenced agro-tourism enterprises employing 40 people.

The uptake is still low Mr Chairperson but we are seeing a positive response.
Keeping of Game in Masimo Mr Chairperson, we have been able to start development of the Tourism Park kwa Khuis in Kgalagadi South to be able to diversify the tourism product in the area.

Mr Chairperson, the guidelines were launched in April 2021 and has been rolled out.

To date, 67 applications have been received and we have approved 20 of them.
14 Hansard No 205Wednesday 16th March, 2022ORGANISATION 2000 - MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT, NATURAL RESOURCES CONSERVATION AND TOURISMCommittee of Supply The main challenge is the fencing components which seem to be a challenge to most farmers and we are looking ways of assisting farmers to actually be able to succeed in this initiative.

Effects of Climate Change We believe that the policy will help us to mitigate the effects of climate change.
Zebara Migration WILDFIRE Mr Chairperson, we have identified and opportunity in zebra migration around the Makgadikgadi-Nxai Pan area which we are going to assist our communities to participate in key events that will attract tourists and create the great value chains around the area.
Africa Cultural Carnival Mr Chairperson, we expect that we are going to be able to hold the first Africa Cultural Festival in association with African Tourism Board that will also be run together with the Tourism Investment Forum later in the year, which is an initiative that is a result of our participation in African tourism recovery initiatives around the continent.
AFRICAN TOURISM LEADERSHIP FORUM (ATFL) AND AWARDS We will also host for the first time the African Tourism Leadership Forum and awards that will be held in Botswana for three years beginning this year.

Mr Chairperson, we have issued a calendar of events for the year and we have improved the events to add on the value chains around the events to make sure that we increase opportunities for incomes to our communities and our business operators.
Mr Chairperson, we also held a Waste Pitso to operationalise Integrated Waste Management Policy that the Parliament adopted last year to create value chains and agree with stakeholders on the roadmap that all-inclusive process will avail jobs, businesses and incomes, and incentivise waste collection across the country and sectors.

CHALLENGES AND BOTTLENECKS Effects of COVID-19 Mr Chairperson, the main challenges for the ministry is the effects of COVID-19.
We have seen closure of a lot of our tourism businesses and we have seen loss on incomes and loss of jobs but we are also seeing a recovery in the sector.

We also wish to express that we have been able through the domestic tourism drive to sustain the sector.

We also experienced a high rate of veldfires with great losses in terms of hectarage that has been burnt, including tourism facilities that were burnt in Kgalagadi and Kang side Mr Chairpeson.
We continue to improve on our maintenance of firebreaks and also integrate better ground for us to be able to combat wildfires.
Human-Wildlife Conflict Mr Chairperson, Human-Wildlife Conflict remains a challenge for us and I wish to say that we have seen a decrease in the reported cases and also in the associated compensation amounts although in 2021, the year under report, we also saw an increase in the human-wildlife cases although the overall cost of compensation was not significant as in the previous years.

Poaching Poaching is another problem we are still battling with Mr Chairperson.
For instance, a total of 184 poaching incidences were recorded between January and December 2021.

220 incidences were recorded in 2020 compared to 162 cases in 2019 and 51 cases in 2018.

We have enhanced our strategies for anti-poaching.

Our National Anti-Poaching Strategy has been developed Mr Chairperson.

We believe that we are going to be able to increase our capacity in this regard.

Pollution Mr Chairperson, pollution continues to be our main challenge in terms of environmental management.
We believe that with the Integrated Waste Management Policy that we have started to implement together with our stakeholders following our Pitso, we will be able to combat pollution and most importantly, incentivising waste collection and then building on enterprises related to a circular economy around waste creating jobs and business opportunities.

We also had delays in project implementation although I reported good progress and improvements in our implementation processes Mr Chairperson.
In terms of policies and legal framework, the National Climate 15 Hansard No 205Wednesday 16th March, 2022ORGANISATION 2000 - MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT, NATURAL RESOURCES CONSERVATION AND TOURISMCommittee of Supply Change Policy, Tourism Policy and Integrated Waste Management Policy have been passed.

We are working on other legislations, including the Botswana Museums and Monuments Bill, Forest and Range Resources and Integrated Waste Management Bill which we expect to be presented in the next sitting.
PROJECT IMPLEMENTATION Mr Chairperson, I wish to go to project implementation to show our efforts in improving our project implementation processes where we held a leadership retreat to unpack the Reset and Transformation Agenda and also to at the end identify flagship projects that would yield job creation and opportunities for improved livelihoods.
These projects are wildlife utilisation where we want to enhance the opportunities within wildlife management to our communities, our unemployed youth and so forth and also job creation and improvement of livelihoods through a circular economy on waste incentivisation and reclamation, including recycling of products and creating jobs thereof.
Digitisation of the ministry’s services, rehabilitation of degraded land which will yield jobs at community level and also scaling up and rolling out the charcoal project that has been launched in Kgalagadi, as well as building a whole economy around utilisation of veldt products; morula, motshikiri and all other products to ensure that we can enhance the opportunities for such products to yield more income and livelihoods and jobs Mr Chairperson, as we enhance the participation of our people in conservation.
In addition, the nature reserve that we are supporting, Motlhware, Mokopi, Borolong, Old Ngoma, Old Palapye, Lake Ngami, Tsodilo World Heritage site and Tropic of Capricorn are also among other expected to create more opportunities for more jobs Mr Chairperson.
We also expect more opportunities for jobs and incomes to come through our events calendar, the Khawa Dune Challenge as we improved the nature of our events to bring in a whole circle of value chains and to also ensure that the communities that are hosting these events will benefit on a long-term basis from these activities by providing key activities and by receiving the capacity that they need to be able to drive the most component of such activities; Makgadikgadi Epic, Waste Segregation, Upscalling Backyard Seedling Project as we want to enhance a whole economy around tree planting Mr Chairperson.
We believe that there will be a lot of opportunity for Batswana to engage in conservation in the protection of the environment while benefiting economically from such initiatives Mr Chairperson.

BUDGET PROPOSALS Mr Chairperson, I request that our proposed budget estimates amount to One Billion, Two Hundred and Fourteen Million, Six Hundred and Nineteen Thousand, Nine Hundred and Fifty-Five Pula (P1, 214,619,955.00).
The budget is composed of Three Hundred and Eighty- Two Million, Four Hundred and Fifty-Nine Thousand, Two Hundred and Thirty-Five Pula (P382,459,235.00) for the Development Budget and Eight Hundred and Thirty-Two Million, One Hundred and Sixty Thousand, Seven Hundred and Twenty Pula (P832,160,720.00) for the Recurrent Budget.
In summary, these activities are going to assist us with the broadening of the tourism base, the ministry’s infrastructure to complete projects and computerise our systems to enhance our wildlife species management and also to advance our interventions and initiatives around environmental protection.

CONCLUSION Mr Chairperson, this concludes my presentation of the 2022/23 Development and Recurrent Budget proposals for the Ministry of Environment, Natural Resources Conservation and Tourism.
I therefore move that the sum of Eight Hundred and Thirty Two Million, One Hundred and sixty Thousand, Seven Hundred and Twenty Pula (P832,160,720.00) under the Recurrent Budget and that the sum of Three Hundred and Eighty- Two Million, Four Hundred and Fifty-Nine Thousand, Two Hundred and Thirty-Five Pula (P382,459,235.00) under the Development Fund estimates for Organisation 2000 be approved and stand part of the estimates.

I so move accordingly Mr Chairperson.


(LOBATSE): Ke a DR MATSHEKA leboga Modulasetilo.

Ke dumedise bakaulengwe.

Ke leboge Tona gore a bo e le gore o re beile pego ya ministry wa gagwe mo pele ga Palamente e. Ke simolole pele ke tlhomamise gore ke leloko la komiti that is chaired by Honourable Majaga.

Ka tsela e e ntseng jalo re thusa Tona gore a nne le megopolo mengwe.

I want to make it very clear gore, we critic, assist and contribute to shaping the future of the country in the tourism industry.
Ke bue gape gore, I am a former Chairman ya Hospitality and Tourism Association of Botswana (HATAB) for almost seven years.

Therefore ke tlaabo ke 16 Hansard No 205Wednesday 16th March, 2022ORGANISATION 2000 - MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT, NATURAL RESOURCES CONSERVATION AND TOURISMCommittee of Supply bua with that little bit of knowledge about what we are discussing.
Gompieno ke tlhophile jalo go kopa Tona gore go nne le greater reflections kana itshekatsheko ya gore tota mme gone citizen empowerment re e tsamaisa ka tsela e e ntseng jang mo industry e. Ke lemogile gore mo dintlheng tse dintsi o ne a bua gore, re solofela e tlaa thusa Batswana gore ba kgone go nna le karolo mo go tse di diriwang mo lephateng le la gagwe.
E rile fa ke akgela mo Foreign Affairs Modulasetilo, ke buile gore maphata a mabedi; ke a Tourism le Mining a e leng gore ke bontlha jwa dithulaganyo tsa lefatshe, e bile a integrated ka tsela e e bokete mo kamanong ya dithoto mo lefatsheng ka bophara.

Ke dira tsetla ya gore, ka tsela e e ntseng jalo ba amogela policy prescription le prices tse e leng gore they are determined globally.
Go bo go raya gore jaanong re tshwanetse go tlhomamisa gore re dira jang locally, go tlhomamisa gore re ikemiseditse go ka tsenya Batswana mo teng, mme e bile re sala ditsamaiso morago tse di leng teng.
Ke bue gape gore ke batla go akgola Tona gore, point e e tlaa amanang le e ke fetsang go e bua gore ba kgonne go tsamaya le mafatshe ba kopa dithuso go tswa kwa bo United State Agency for International Development (USAID), United Nations Development Programme (UNDP) le bone ba Global Environmental Facility (GEF).

Ka tsela e e ntseng jalo ba thusa gore lefatshe le le kgone go baakanya mo re reng ke tsone tse di ka thusang gore go ya kwa pele re kgone go bona mohama o o nonofile, e bile o tsamaya sentle.
Ke solofela gore Modulasetilo, go ne go ka nna botlhokwa gore dilo tse dingwe tse fa re di bua re kgone go supa measurable outcomes, ka gore tota re leka go bopa industry e ka tsela e re tlaa kgonang gore kamoso re supe gore tota re dirile eng.

Ke gatelela ntlha e ka gore e rile fa ke bua mo go ya Foreign Affairs ke rile, fa gongwe madi a a ntseng jaana a bo a tswa mo lobby groups, mo institutions that are shaping the management plans, tse re tsayang ditshwetso ka tsone, gore tota re batla go dira jang.
Ka tsela e e ntseng jalo ba laola ka fa le rona re bonang ka teng gore re ka dira dilo ka teng.

Ke batla go tsena mo CBNRM Mr Chairperson.


Ke re le fa ntswa e le tsela e o kareng e botoka ya go tlisa ditlamelo mo bathong, go tlhomamisa gore Batswana ba ba mo dikgaolong tse go nang le bojanala ke batsayakarolo, ka fa ke e bonang ka teng e tshwanetse gore gongwe Goromente a e sekaseke gape thulaganyo e, ka gore ke e bona o kare it is a halfway house, e ba tlaabong ba sireletsa dithoto tse, mme ba ba tsayang meamuso e metona mo go tsone, e se bone ba e leng gore ke community e e di lebeletseng.
Jaanong re tshwanetse go lebelela gore, a Tona a ka seke a re thuse gore next time she should report gore tota dipoelo mo industry tse di tserweng ke community ke tse di kae.

Tse di tserweng ke ba e leng gore ke operators, ba ba nang le dikitso, bokgoni le ditsompelo tsa go ka tsamaisa concessions tseo ke dife, ka gore o di neela community gongwe ba di tshegeletse ba e leng gore ba teng.

Ke lemoga fa e le gore e ya go isiwa kwa bo Lotlhakane, Serowe, North East le Ngamiland.
Jaanong model o gongwe le o lebe Tona, le bone gore tota mme ka e kete gongwe o re bereketse at least go tshegetsa dilo tse, a go ya kwa pele a ke yone the best model ya go kgona go dira gore community di kgone go boelwa ka tsela e e ntseng jaana.

Ke bua jaana Mr Chairperson ke re, we want to be more output based, re kgone to measure revenue e e leng gore accrues mo go botlhe ba e leng batsayakarolo mo this industry.
Le pharologanyo e tlaa kgona go re kaetsa gore a trusts di buelelwa ka tsela e e lekaneng jaaka re ne re ka eletsa.

Jaanong we may be willing to review the structure and strategy towards citizen empowerment mo concessions.

Ke bua dilo tse Mr Chairperson because, ga re eletse gore Batswana e bo e le gore ba sireleditse dilo tse ka re batla gore ba se ka ba tloga ba tsoma ka bofafalele, mme re itse gore tota dipoelo tse di kalo ga di goroge mo go bone.
Ke tlaa fa sekai, Tona o a bua mo mokwalong wa gagwe gore veld products average earnings tsa tsone e ne e le madi fela a a boitshegang mo go P37 million, mme fa o di lebelela o fitlhelela e le gore ke madi a a kana ka P4,382.00 for financial year 2021-2022 of all the applicants ba ba 8000 ba ba neng ba ikopetse gore ba kgone go ya go bapala diphane, le eng, le eng.

Fa o ka ba wa tsaya madi ao gape wa a kgaoganya, o ya go fitlhela e le gore ke P365.00 ka kgwedi.
Jaanong dilo tseo o bona gore Batswana ba tsaya karolo in the periphery, kwa thoko fela kwa tota ba ba selang diphane jalo, ka tsela e re tshwanetse to measure dilo tse re bone gore a mme citizen empowerment ya rona is it at the centre of the real value e re batlang gore re kgone go bona gore ba ka dira jang.

Re kgone to measure Mr Chairperson citizen penetration mo industry e, gore kamoso re kgone go nna sure gore tota mme re ya go dira jang.
Lefatshe ke la Puso, mme re eletsa gore le fa e ntsha concessions, e dira se e se batlang ka tsone, re tlhomamise gore re ya go lebelela dilo tse ka tsela e e siameng.
Re eletsa jalo Mr Chairperson gore, Botswana ka Botswana products tsa Tourism di integrated across the whole global system, ka tsela e e ntseng jalo re tshwanetse go itse gore Botswana ka boyone le fa re 17 Hansard No 205Wednesday 16th March, 2022ORGANISATION 2000 - MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT, NATURAL RESOURCES CONSERVATION AND TOURISMCommittee of Supply ka tswa re na le product e e distinguished, mme gone ditlhwatlhwa le peo ya ditlhwatlhwa mo lefatsheng e bewa ke mafatshefatshe.

Nako ga e yo Mr Chairperson.


Ke lemoga gore go na le P2.8 billion o Tona a buileng gore o latlhegile mo itsholelong e sale COVID e tsena, mme ga re utlwe mananeo ape a a faphegileng a go leka go fefosa poelo ya itsholelo e ya tourism into the mainstream of the economy.

Strategy seo Honourable Minister se botlhokwa.

Re se ka ra boela kwa normality ya industry.

Re boele mo e leng gore jaanong we have a heightened sense of engagement in the sector.
Fa re tsena mo Dam Tourism Mr Chairperson, ke bue gore ke ne ke le a member wa Botswana Tourism Organisation (BTO), re bua ka Dam Tourism.

It is only today, after many years, e tshwanetse a bo e le bo 12 years jaanong re bua ka Dam Tourism ke gone ke utlwang ka awarding.

Some of these things delays the very empowerment e re eletsang gore e diriwe in the industry.

So implementation ya all these brilliant ideas e botlhokwa gore re se ka ra latlhisa Batswana opportunities go kgona gore ba dire jalo.
Tona gape o buile about the 41 concessions if that is the number, tse di tlaabong di le kwa Ngami, tse di tswang mo ditshekatshekong tse di dirilweng ka thuso ya United States of America (USA), and perhaps others to decide gore jaanong re ya go dira jang.

Tona a tle a re tlhomamisetse fa a araba gore a re dule mo High Value Low Volume Policy?
What is the actual policy now because product ya rona e ntse e itsege differently, notwithstanding gore right now perhaps re leka to accelerate Citizen Economic Empowerment.

The balance between how our product is perceived against what the policy prescription has been because I want to call policy prescription because it is actually out a study that is externally financed.

Fa ke tsamaela kwa bokhutlong Mr Chairperson, ke bue ka decentralisation gore jaaka e ntse, ga se dilo tsa Local Authorities.
Ke dilo tsa lefatshe lotlhe le go tlhomamisa gore a fa re re go na le environmental protection le go tshegetsa tikologo, re tlhasetswe Mr Chairperson, ke kgobokano ya matlakala le gone mo toropong ya Lobatse tota.

Matlakala ga a tsewe, toropo ga di phepa.

Ga se kwa Lobatse fela, fa o re o a botsa o utlwa gotwe ga gona koloi ya khansele kana go na le mathata a tsele le tsele.

18 Kwa Lobatse Mr Chairperson, re na le a lot of heritage sites tse e leng gore toropo e ke ya ditso jaaka ke tlhalositse.
Ga re bone sepe se se diragalang, ke sa itse gore a khansele e bofilwe diatla, a lephata is not decentralised enough gore the key areas ba tseye maikarabelo a go itse gore they promote tourism in the areas that they are involved with.

Ka fa go ntseng ka teng jaanong o kare re lebile golo go le gosi, ntswa Tona a tlhalosa gore re eletsa to diversify the product, re tsamaye re ye go dira Trusts koo.

Some of these are commercial entities Mr Chairperson, tse di batlang gore di diriwe.
Go itsiwe gore it is not only just community based, but they allow the towns and cities tsa rona tsa Botswana di kgone go phophoma, di supagale gore tota they are part of the ecosystem ya tourism ya lefatshe la rona.

Ke ne ke re ke ntshe mafoko a a kalo Mr Chairperson, ke tlatsa Tona gore... HONOURABLE MEMBER: Elucidation Rre Matsheka o ise o fetse.

DR MATSHEKA: Ema pele mma Monnakgotla… to reflect on all these issues, e tle e re fa a araba, a bo a re fa a comprehensive response.
Ke a leboga Mr Chairperson.

MR CHAIRPERSON: Thank you.

Honourable Monnakgotla, you wanted what clarification?

...Silence...

MR CHAIRPERSON: Are you done Honourable Matsheka?

DR MATSHEKA: I am done Mr Chairperson, thank you very much.

OF MINISTER ASSISTANT YOUTH EMPOWERMENT, SPORT AND CULTURE DEVELOPMENT (MR BILLY): Ke a leboga Mr Chairperson, gore o bo mphile sebaka se gore le nna ke akgele mo kopong ya Ministry wa Tourism.
Mma ke lebogele gore e re fa Tona a tlhalosa, a bo a ka tlhalosa gore ba etse tlhoko seemo sa go lwela tikologo ga diphologolo le batho ba ba nnang mo mafelong one ao.

A re ba epile matamo go leka go fokotsa diphologolo tse di atumelang batho mo malwapeng a bone.

Go botlhokwa gore o dire jalo Tona ka gore seo se setse se re supegeditse gore re latlhegetswe ke matshelo, batho ba tlhokafetse.
Re latlhegetswe ke matshelo a batho a a bakilweng ke gone go sa tshela sentle fa gare ga batho ba ba batlang go itshetsa ka itsholelo ya bone gone koo, le diphologolo tse di batlang le go tshela mo tikologong Hansard No 205Wednesday 16th March, 2022ORGANISATION 2000 - MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT, NATURAL RESOURCES CONSERVATION AND TOURISMCommittee of Supply e di mo go yone.
Ke go akgolele gore o dire jalo mme le nne le beile leitlho go bona gore a mme a tokafalo e nna teng mo go se le se dirileng gore le tle le tokafatse go feta foo.

Fa ke lebelela ya kwa Dubai; tourism e re e dirang kwa Dubai ya Expo 2020, ke tseye sebaka se Tona ke lebogele President wa lefatshe le Ngaka Masisi gore a bo a re etse kwa Expo 2020 go ya go rekisa lefatshe; go rekisa diteemane le tourism ya lefatshe le.

Ke sone se re se tlhokang.


O ka lebelela gore mafatshe a kgatlhegela lefatshe le ka ditsela tse di ntseng jang.

Lebelela the Ruler of Dubai, mo mafatsheng a o a tlhophileng go ya kwa go ene, la Botswana e nnile lefatshe le a nnileng le kgatlhego ya gore a kopane le boeteledipele le ketapele e e ileng kwa Dubai, ministries, gammogo le Ministry wa Youth Empowerment, Sport and Culture Development (MYSC) under Rraetsho Rakgare.
Ke se se supang gore re tsweletse, mafatshe a na le kgatlhego mo goreng re gweba jang ka diteemane le services tse re di dirang ka tourism.

Go botlhokwa gore fa re dira jalo re tswelele re baakanye tikologo e re leng mo go yone, le go tokafatsa ditlhabololo tse di amanang le tourism.

Se sengwe gape ke re a re lebeleleng ka kgang e e builweng ya dam tourism.
Mo Palamenteng e e fetileng, ke tlhalositse under ministry wa gago go dirwa Committee Supply gore go botlhokwa gore metsi a a kwa Shashe Dam le Ntimbale Dam, go tsile nako jaanong ya gore a tokafatse Kgaolo ya North East le Kgaolo ya Francistown ka lebaka la gore activities tse di ka dirwang mo matamong a, di ka tokafatsa itsholelo ka gore batho ba na le kgatlhego mo go one.
Gape a ka re tsisetsa bajanala go tla ba dira activities tsa go tsamaisa boats mo matamong, go tshwara ditlhapi le tse dingwe tse di farologanyeng.

Le yone water frontage, re tshwanetse re simolole go bona gore re aba plots tse di rileng, tsa tlhwatlhwa e e rileng go bapa le matamo a rona ka gore batho ba bantsi ba kgatlhegela go nna mo mafelong a a ntseng jalo.

Bojanala Modulasetilo, bo botlhokwa fela thata ka gore bo tsholetsa itsholelo ya lefatshe.
Ke gore it is the engine of the economy ya mafatshe mangwe le mangwe a a nang le bojanala.

Go botlhokwa go simolola jaanong re lebelele gore ditoropo tse di nang le bojanala, di bo dira ka tsela e e ntseng jang, kana di ka tokafatsa ka tsela e e ntseng jang.

A re tseye sekai sa toropo ya Francistown re lebeletse khansele ka gore e filwe autonomy through decentralisation, gore ba ka ikemela jaanong ba itirela madi.
Heritage areas tsa tourism ke sites tse dingwe tse di ka tokafatsang history le itsholelo ya toropo ya Francistown.

A re lebe se Modulasetilo; a re lebe thaba ya Nyangabwe, e ka yone e nang le history e e seng kana ka sepe, e e leng gore fa e ka dirwa ka fa ke bonang go tsweletswe ka teng, e ka tokafatsa itsholelo ya toropo eo.
Mophane Club e e nang le history ya gore go diragetse eng ka dinako tse batsadi ba rona ba neng ba santse ba tsamaya clubs, go ne ga thunya bomb gone koo, ke mafelo a mangwe a re ka supang gore re nnile le seabe go le kae mo go lweleng kgololesego mo kgaolong ya Southern African Development Community (SADC).

The Blue Town corridor e e leng gore maAfrican National Congress (ANC) ba ne ba feta through Blue Town, ba bangwe ba nna teng.
Ke nngwe e re ka e dirisang go rekisa toropo le bojanala mo toropong ya Francistown.

Fa o ka lebelela Wenela, e ne e le yone centre e e leng kwa mokoting wa gold kwa South Africa, ba ne ba dirisa Francistown through company ya Wenela go tsaya batho mo Africa.

Sone seo ke history e e seng kana sepe.

Gape batho ba bangwe ba ba mo Francistown, e rile ba tshwanetse gore ba boele kwa mafatsheng a bone, ba ne ba felela ba nna mo Francistown, ba nyala.
Francistown fa o ka lebelela background kana history ya yone, e na le batho ba ba tswang mo mafatsheng a a farologanyeng.

Gone moo ke tourism, go tlhokana le go bona gore how do we structure it re dirisa decentralisation policy e khansele e ka rulaganyang package gore ope yo o batlang bojanala mo Francistown, yo o batlang go itse gore go diragetse eng, o ka sala morago ditsamaiso tsone tseo.

Francistown gape ke nngwe ya ntlha ya go epiwa gold in the southern region.
Gold e e neng e epiwa mo Francistown, go dirisiwa instruments tsa bogologolo go epa gold, mo ke dumelang gore gold e santse e le teng mo Francistown.

Gape Rre yo gotweng John Taolo Gaseitsiwe, e ne e le mongwe wa batho ba ntlha go simolola trade unions, ke moSouth Africa, mme o ne a e simolola mo Francistown.

Ke history e batho ba e tlhokang, bajanala ba e tlhoka.
Fa re bua ka bojanala jone jwa go etela mafelo a, banana can benefit mo go jone ba dirisa bicycles, ba reka bicycles funded through MYSC gore ba kgone go etela mafelo one a, ba rekise toropo ya Francistown le bone ba akole mo itsholelong yone ele.

19 Hansard No 205Wednesday 16th March, 2022ORGANISATION 2000 - MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT, NATURAL RESOURCES CONSERVATION AND TOURISMCommittee of Supply Mma ke fete ke taboge rraetsho, ke bue ka CBNRM e go dirisiwang natural resources around Francistown.
Mo Francistown, re na le phane, Mophane tree le delele, mme ke dingwe tse re ka di dirisang mo tourism.

Mophane tree is a natural resource e re ka e dirisang.

Mophane worm can be processed gore e nne dijo tsa batho kana tsa diphologolo.

It is a natural resource e e ka dirisiwang go tokafatsa itsholelo ya batho ba Francistown kana ya lefatshe la Botswana.
Mma ke tlole gone foo, ke fete ka yone, ke tsene mo go e nngwe e e amanang le gore ministry o tshwanetse o dire awareness e e tseneletseng kana workshops go leka go rutuntsha Batswana gore ba tsene mo itsholelong ya bojanala.

Ba tshwanetse gore ba rutiwe gore how do you start a tourism business and how do you Know Your Customers (KYC).
O tshwanetse go simolola ka KYC, e mo go yone fa o setse o itse customers tsa gago, o sala morago gore, gore o dire business yone eo, o tshwanetse go itse melao ya yone; how to brand your business, how do get funds go thusa gore kgwebo ya gago e simolole; how to launch your business.
Ke dilo tse ba ba eletsang go simolola, segolo jang banana le bomme, ba ka dirisa tsone dikitso tse go simolola dikgwebo tsa bone tse di ka tokafatsang matshelo a bone, mme e le dikgwebo tsa tourism ka gore ke a lemoga Tona that you have relaxed kana o ntšhafaditse policies tse di ka thusang gore Batswana le bone ba simolole to benefit mo bojanaleng.
Not only internationals, e nna bone who benefit, the locals also can start benefiting, mme policy e e tokafaditsweng, ke yone e e ka letlang fela gore seemo sone seo se diragale.
Gape ke lebogele the Tourism Levy that trained badiri ba tourism gore ba ikemele because go setse go supafala gore Batswana ba bantsi, ba nna le kgatlhego mo tourism, ba tokafatsa service ya bone ka lebaka lone leo la gore the Tourism Levy, e ba thusitse gore ba kgone go itse gore ba ka godisa business ya bone ka tsela e e ntseng jang.

Urban tourism le yone e tokafaditswe, you have shown interest ya gore bed and breakfasts, di nne ka fa molaong… MR CHAIRPERSON: Thank you Honourable Minister.
Thank you very much.

Honourable Khama.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: I have swapped with him Mr Chairperson.

MR CHAIRPERSON: You have swapped with him?

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ee rra.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ke a mo supela Mr Chairperson.

MR CHAIRPERSON: Honourable Mmolotsi.

MR MMOLOTSI (FRANCISTOWN SOUTH): Ke ka tswelela sir?

MR CHAIRPERSON: Yes sir.

MR MMOLOTSI: Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

Ke lebogela pego ya ga Tona.


Ke boe ke simolole fela ke raya Tona ke re, maloba re kile ra tsaya leeto go ya kwa lefatsheng lengwe le bidiwa gotwe Costa Rica.

Ke lefatshe le tota fela kwa tshimologong ya lone le bontsi jwa nako ya lone, le ne le ganeletse thata mo temothuong; agriculture, both arable and pastoral farming.

Jaanong mme e ne ya re with time, ba bona gore gongwe ba fetole seemo seo ka gore go ne go itshupa o kare agriculture, especially pastoral farming was not very productive and lucrative.
Ba simolola go tsaya thulaganyo ya gore jaanong ba tsene mo tourism, mme ba tsaya tourism jaana e le a deliberate policy by Government, go dira gore tourism e nne selo se se ka kgatlhang, se se nang le maduo a a bonalang mo mongwe le mongweng.

Batho ba koo, ba ne ba se ka ba patikiwa go tlogela pastoral farming, mme they were encouraged ka go bona dipoelo tse di neng di tswa mo bojanaleng.
Bone ka bo bone, ba bona gore nnyaa, go na le go dirisa lefatshe la rona mo pastoral farming, gongwe le mo arable, the best way will be go simolola re dira forests fa re neng re lema teng, re ruile diphologolo teng gore forests tsone tse, we populate them ka different wild species.

E bile kana gone koo, ga ba na diphologolo kana species tse di kgatlhang mo go kalokalo; bommatseane, butterflies kana tshoswane ke dilo tse di tona thata mo tourism mo go bone.
Mo go mpontshang gore le rona mo lefatsheng la rona, fa re ka itebaganya le go bona gore in our diversification strategy, re diragatsa kgang e ya go leka go rotloetsa batho gore ba tsene mo bojanaleng, re ba rotloetsa ka go ba bontsha dipoelo gore ba ba batlang gore jaanong ba tswe mo thulaganyong ya arable and pastoral farming, ba bo ba tswa, ba bona dipoelo tsa gore when we participate in the tourism industry, dipoelo tsa rona di ka nna botoka go na le go rekisa kgomo kana go lema mo masimong.
Ba tlaa fetola masimo a bone go nna game farms.

Ba tlaa fetola mafelo a bone go nna mafelo a bojanala, mme ba ka dira tourism resorts, lodges le hotels fela ka tsela e e ntseng jalo, mme ya re with time, ba bo ba bona maduo gore we are making money every day.

Ga go tshwane le kgomo 20 Hansard No 205Wednesday 16th March, 2022ORGANISATION 2000 - MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT, NATURAL RESOURCES CONSERVATION AND TOURISMCommittee of Supply e go tlaa reng o e godise dingwaga, ke gone e bo e go busetsa madi.
I am not saying gore Goromente a patike batho, but I am saying Goromente o tshwanelwa ke go dira models tse batho ba tlaa kopang mo go tsone.

Fa go tlhokafala gore a dire models tse, ka go tsaya bangwe ba barui, a ba rotloetsa go tsena mo mhameng wa bojanala gore ba bangwe ba tle ba bone ka bone, let it happen that way because e tlaabo e le thulaganyo ya ka bomo ya go bona gore golo mo ga bojanala, Batswana ba go tsaya ka tlhoafalo.
Ke batla go lebogela gore Tona mo nakong ya gompieno, le bo le rotloetsa agro tourism because ke nngwe ya ditsela tse jaanong re ntshang bojanala kwa bo…we distribute bojanala.

Ga bo sa tlhole e tlaa nna jo bo bonelwang kwa kgakala.

Ba bangwe ba ba tlaabong ba batla go bona diphologolo mo masimong a kwa Goo-Tau kana a Matsiloje, ba tlaa tsamaya ba ya go bona zebras, springboks le diphologolo tse under normal or known circumstances ba neng ba ya go di bona kwa kgakala kwa mafelong a bo Kasane le bo Maun.
Ka tsela e e ntseng jalo, go tlaabo go raya gore batho mo masimong a bone, le bone ba ka simolola go bona dipoelo ka gore fa ba na le diphologolo tsone tse le neng le fetsa melawana ya tsone maloba, mme ba agile chalets mo masimong a bone, baeti ba ka tla ba robala koo, ba bona diphologolo, ba itumelele gore nnyaa, mme e ne ya re re le kwa lodge e e kwa Molalatau, ra bona diphologolo tsa mefuta ka go farologana.
Fa o utlwa ke riana madam, ke raya gore kwa mafatsheng a mangwe, ga ba na diphologolo tse re nang natso.

Ba na le dilo tse e seng tsa sepe jaaka ke ne ke go bolelela gore tshoswane le segogwane di ne di kgobokanelwa.

Rona re itse gore segogwane mono e bile ga re batle go se bona se re lapisitse, kwa se a kgobokanelwa.

Jaanong you can imagine diphologolo tsa rona tse dintle mo go kanakana, fa e le gore re ka kgona go bona gore masimo ka go farologana, batho ba nna le tsone.
Tona, ke ne ke re gape dilo dingwe tse ke eletsang gore you should consider as a ministry, ke gore kgang ele ya lona ya low-volume ya tourists, tota gongwe re e sekaseke to consider high-volumes so that Batswana mo lefatsheng le, le bone ba kgone go etela mafelo a.
Re itemogetse maloba gore kana jaanong fa go sena batho ba ba tsenang, letseno ga le nne teng, mme fa Batswana ba ka rotloediwa go tsena ka bontsi in parks, kwa mafelong a bojanala, tourism e tlaa dira madi go ya go ileng, go na le gore e bo e nna thulaganyo fela e e dirang madi ka nako e Makgoa ba a bong ba gorogile.

Re tshwanelwa ke go leka to promote high volume, mme gape re leke go tlhofofaletsa ba dikgwebo tse dipotlana tsa dikoloi; mobile safaris.
Re ba tlhofofaletse le bone gore ba kgone go tsena mo mohameng o ka bokete, ba dire madi.

Go lebega o kare tsone tse di potlananyana tse, ke tsone tse Batswana ba leng mo go tsone.

Gape Tona ke ne ke re, go na le ba bangwe ba e leng Batswana, ba setse ba le mo hospitality industry, ba na le madirelo a the lodges tse di kgolwanenyana.
Bone bao, a re lekeng to promote them Tona, gongwe ba kgone go ya go tsena kwa mafelong a a tshwanang le a bo Chobe National Park le a mangwe, gona le gore jaanong mafelo a kgotsa tourism resorts tse di kgolwane, tse di botoka, ke tsa batho ba ba tswang go sele fela.

Ke kile ka tsamaya trip le Honourable Machana Shamukuni, re ile kwa Lontone.
Ya re re le kwa Lontone koo, a ya go kopana le mong wa madirelo mangwe a hotel a a kwa kgaolong ya gagwe, yo e leng gore ene o dira madi a le koo, kwano ga a ke a gata gotlhelele.

Honourable Shamukuni o ne a na le issues tse a neng a batla to address them le ene, tsa babereki ba ba berekang koo, ga ba ke ba bona motho yo.

O ne a kgona go kopana le ene kwa Lontone.

Ke gore a dira madi fela a le koo, a tshwenya bana ba ga Machana Shamukuni a le koo.
Ka tsela e e ntseng jalo, ke sone se ke reng, Batswana ba ba nang le potential ya go dira hotels le madirelo a boroko kwa mafelong a a siameng thata a a tshwanang le Chobe, Maun jalojalo, a re lekeng go ba rotloetsa and possibly facilitate gore even funding mo go bone, e nne motlhofo, so that tourism ya rona e re sologele molemo, e seng mo nakong ya gompieno e go duelwang kwa ntle, batho ba tlogela madi koo, ba bo ba tla mo Botswana.
Se re se bonang fela ke madi a dijo le tšhentšhinyana ya di tip mme e le gore bontsi jwa madi a setse kwa ntle ga lefatshe.

Ke sone se e leng gore fa re sa rotloetse Batswana gore ba tsene mo madirelong a Tona, ga re ka ke ra boelwa ke sepe.

Re a itse gore tourism ga e fele, ga e tshwane le ditswammung.

If we can promote it, ka ga e fele, re a itse gore itsholelo ya lefatshe la rona e tlaa tswelela even beyond botshelo jwa rona nna le wena.
Mo gongwe Tona ke gore, re a bona gore matshelo a Batswana a kwa tlase, jaanong a re se keng ra leka gore gongwe re ba ketefaletse dikgwebonyana tse di potlana tse di tshwanang le go tshwara phane, tse ba neng ba tshela ka tsone.

Dilo tse tsa go tshwara phane jaanong di complicated ka gore motho o kgona gore a tswe mo Tonota for example, a latela permit ya go tshwara phane kwa Serowe, ya P10 fela.
Golo mo jaanong go 21 Hansard No 205Wednesday 16th March, 2022ORGANISATION 2000 - MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT, NATURAL RESOURCES CONSERVATION AND TOURISMCommittee of Supply dira gore go tshwara phane go nne turu.

Gape fa o batla go fuduga, e le gore phane ga e sa tlhole e le teng kwa Makomoto, e bonwa kwa Goo-Tau, ga o kgone gore jaanong o tsamaye ka the same permit, go raya gore o tshwanelwa ke go ya go fetola gape o senka permit ya mafelo a mangwe.
Ke re Tona, fa e le gore ke permit ya phane, a e nne permit ya phane, gore motho o ya go tshwara kwa kae go se ka ga nna le mathata.

Gape ke ne ke rotloetsa gore go na le batho ba ba tshwanang le ba ba kwa Makomoto, ba ba tshelang ka dikgong.
Bone bao, ke ne ke re Tona, go na le indigenous trees tse di teng, they are resistant to drought, tse e leng gore fa go kgonagala, a re lekeng go nna re ba neela ditlhare, re ba rotloetse gore jaaka le tsaya dikgong mo nageng, nnang le lema setlhare koo, gore e re mo nakong e e tlang lefatshe la rona le tswelele ka go nna le ditlhare.

Ke dumela gore Tona wena o a utlwa, o motho yo o ka tsayang dikgakololo.

E bile ke dumela gore Tona, fa o ka reetsa dilo tse, go ka ya golo gongwe.
A re rotloetse cultural tourism.

Kwa toropong e tshwana le ya Francistown, re na le groups tsa meopelo ya culture, jaaka Bana Ba Ntogwa, ba ba dirang bontle thata, le groups tse dingwe ka go farologana.

Fa re ka rotloetsa bana ba, cultures tsa north east di ka kgona gore di bonale mo toropong, ya re tourist a tlile mo toropong ya Francistown, a batla go bona mmino le dijo, a bo a itse gore ke ka di bona kwa bonnanne, go na le groups ka go farologana tse di dirang tiro eo.

Ke a leboga Madam Minister.


“EXCHANGE OF SPEAKERSHIP” MR CHAIRPERSON (MR MOATLHODI): Thank you Honourable Mmolotsi.

Honourable Member for Kanye North.

MR LETSHOLO (KANYE NORTH): Thank you very much Mr Chairperson and welcome to your seat.

I would like to thank you for the opportunity to express my support for the Ministry of Environment, Natural Resources Conservation and Tourism’s budget.
Honourable Chairperson, due to the time allocation, this time I will only focus on tourism, especially considering that at Section 69 of her speech, the Minister of Environment, Natural Resources Conservation and Tourism confirms that tourism has been identified as a priority growth area for Botswana.

Honourable Chairperson, tourism is and has been a significant contributor to our country’s Gross Domestic Product (GDP) and deserves specific focus and clarity of attention.
In this context, I am hopeful that in her final response, the Tourism Minister can inform this House of the contribution of tourism to GDP before COVID-19.

Then tell us what it is now?

How it is going to be built back to pre-COVID levels?

How quickly it will be rebuilt and the extent to which we will rebuild it, smarter?
Honourable Chairperson, the real impact of COVID-19 on Botswana came not only from deaths, a decline in population, hospitalisations and reduced productivity, but came significantly from the effect of limited tourism and mining activities.

We were affected by the global response to COVID-19 which curtailed international travel and diamond demand.

At Section 53 of the Minister’s speech, she says that it is estimated that facilities in tourism lost revenue in excess of P2 billion.
Honourable Chairperson, this is significant.

We therefore, as a matter of urgency, need to build resilience in the tourism industry.

The future will continue to have more uncertainty and volatility.

We cannot leave our tourism sector to chance.

I urge the Minister to consider a meaningful budget allocation towards strategies for building resilience.
Honourable Chairperson, the disruption caused by COVID-19, while unfortunate, was also a chance for us to disrupt the tourism industry and bring about real change that ensures that more Dollars flow into Botswana, into the Botswana Unified Revenue Service (BURS), and that more Batswana play a greater role in the industry.
It is desirable for the Ministry to answer this question, what will Botswana do differently with respect to tourism in the long run, to ensure that tourism remains a significant contributor to GDP and that it brings more Batswana into the industry in a meaningful way?
Honourable Chairperson, it has been reported that our flagship tourist sites in the Okavango Delta have their revenue points overseas, as such, the majority of the money is paid overseas, especially at the time of booking, and that money stays there.

Honourable Chairperson, if this is true, I really urge the ministry to attend to this as a matter of urgency and disrupt the practice, so that we can ensure that those revenues can be taxed in Botswana.
Honourable Chairperson, a large part of the tourism revenue is flight shuttles between Maun and Okavango Delta.

In fact, at some stage, the Maun International Airport was hailed as the third busiest airport in Africa.

22 Hansard No 205Wednesday 16th March, 2022ORGANISATION 2000 - MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT, NATURAL RESOURCES CONSERVATION AND TOURISMCommittee of Supply The question then is, what portion of tourism revenues go to these transfer flights?

How much of this sub-sector is owned by Batswana?


I again urge the Minister to explore ways and means through which Batswana can really play a meaningful role in this regard.

Honourable Chairperson, we need real disruption in the tourism sector.

We need to take advantage of the COVID-19 crisis and drive structural change within the tourism sector.
Honourable Chairperson, some of the poorest villages and communities in Botswana are the ones that have lucrative tourism sites, for example Kasane and many other small villages in the Okavango.

We need to turn this around, and this is the disruption that I hope the Minister can bring about, while of course, still respecting overall national interest.

For instance, concessions award and renewal ought to be tied or be dependent on meaningful local community upliftment, just as an example.
Honourable Chairperson, independent sources place Botswana’s unemployment at about 24 per cent while Mauritius and Seychelles at 9 per cent and 4 per cent respectively.

All these countries Honourable Chairperson, depend on tourism, the only difference is that Seychelles and Mauritius have massive hotels, more hotels and this is the same scenario or similar circumstance to Kasane and Maun.
I am aware that those employed in Mauritius and Seychelles are cooks, bar attendants, drivers, cleaners, pool cleaners etcetera.

It explains why the population remains poor because the majority are very low paying jobs.

However, Honourable Chair, these two nations have invested in large national airlines to facilitate tourists coming into their countries.

Air Mauritius fleet as an example; includes several Airbus, Boeing 747 and 767 and ATR planes.

This is because successful tourism is about linkages.
The Tourism Ministry has to effectively link up, for example; with Air Botswana to bring more tourists to Botswana.

The ministry should be encouraging and lobbying for more routes, more planes and much easier access to local tourism sites in Botswana.

Without these linkages, we cannot jumpstart our tourism Honourable Chair.
Honourable Chair, it was pleasing this afternoon to hear the Minister state on Section 24 of her speech and I quote that, “it is my ministry’s desire to diversify the tourism product and also to create opportunities in areas that are not traditionally known for tourism.” Honourable Chair, I agree with the Minister.

Our country needs what I call broad based tourism beyond wildlife.

We should include diamond museums, our cultures, beautiful sceneries and gorges in villages etcetera.
It is on this note Honourable Chair, that I would like to take the time to thank the Minister that following my previous expressions in Parliament, coupled with her visit to Kanye North Constituency, she has included Makgodumo Dam Tourism Feasibility Study in the ministry’s budget.
Notwithstanding this Honourable Chair, I would like to also take this time to urge the Minister and her team to please ensure that they involve the Bathoen Trust in this important piece of work who are the current custodians of Mmakgodumo Dam.

Honourable Chair, beyond a plan for Makgodumo Dam, a robust strategy is necessary to formulate sustainable local tourism in Kanye North for tourism management and conservation.
This Honourable Chair, would give us opportunities to make use of some of the natural resources in our own backyard to enrich our livelihoods and preserve them for our future generations.

We have other attractions in Kanye North Constituency Honourable Chair, these include; Ntlhane Gorge kwa ga Mahikana, Pharing Gorge go bapa le Mmakgodumo Dam, Mmalogage Gorge in Lekgolobotlo le tse dingwe.
Honourable Chair, tourism can actually really be a huge economic driver in many villages if we tapped into history, storytelling, village life experiences and so on, and model them into tourism artefacts with our people narrating the stories and as guides in their villages.

For illustration purposes Honourable Chair, we need to improve the experience of eating home grown and cooked beef with our own chefs.

Ask the question, where can one go and have the best stake ever cooked in Botswana?
How many Batswana chefs have we produced who take pride in our traditional food?

That is a gap in our tourism.

Whenever people travel to foreign countries, they want to explore the culture, food, people, entertainment, and safaris can be one of the attraction, but we have made it the only attraction Honourable Chair.

We are missing out hugely as a result of this.


Honourable Chairperson, as I come to the end of my submission, I am very sad that we have converted the very first Radio Botswana station buildings into a spy agency!

We should have kept the building and original equipment to show the genesis of radio in Botswana.

That in my view Honourable Chair, is lost tourism.


23 Hansard No 205Wednesday 16th March, 2022ORGANISATION 2000 - MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT, NATURAL RESOURCES CONSERVATION AND TOURISMCommittee of Supply Monumental buildings, buildings with cultural and historical relevance such as Orapa House are tourist attraction points, but we seem not to see that.

Instead we are destroying everything and converting them into new buildings.
Honourable Chairperson, London, Paris and other iconic cities in the world attract droves of tourists because they keep their historical buildings, and there is something special about those buildings that is compelling people to keep going back to those cities and dropping money in those countries.

Honourable Chair, we have to find more ways to make tourists spend more time and more money in our country.

I thank you.

MR CHAIRPERSON: Thank you Honourable Letsholo.

Re a leboga rraarona.


Jaanong go tlaa tsena Motlotlegi Mopalamente wa Letlhakeng-Lephephe.

MR KABLAY (LETLHAKENG-LEPHEPHE): Thank you Mr Chairperson.

Rraetsho, mma sa ntlha le nna ke leboge.

I support Minister ka budget ya gagwe e a e beileng fa pele ga rona.

Re go ema nokeng Tona.

Santlha, ke lebogele lephata la gago gore e rile re ikuela mo go lone re batla go rua diphologolo kwa kgaolong ya rona ya Letlhakeng, la ema ka dinao, la re thusa.
Le ne la re thusa ka sengwe le sengwe se kgaolo e neng e se kopa gore re tle re nne le diphologolo.

Ke batla go mo leboga thata mo boemong jwa batsadi kwa Letlhakeng.

Gompieno jaaka a ne a bua, re na le diphologolo.

Lephata la gagwe le re file diphologolo; ditshephe le tse dingwe.

Re santse re solofetse mo go ntsi go tswa kwa lephateng la gago.

Re santse re le bana, re tsamaya tshipidi tonto.


Jaanong re tsaya gore lephata la gagwe Mr Chair, le tlaa re thusa ka e bile Goromente o na le lenaneo la gore batho kwa masimong a bone ba ka rua diphologolo.

Jaanong ke tsaya gore ke sone sebaka sa rona re le kgaolo re dire madinyana kwa Motlhware Trust.

Fa re ka nna le diphologolo, Minister a oketsa tsele, tsa nna dintsi, re tlaa rekisetsa Goromente gore a neele batho mo masimong gore ba di rue.
Ke kopa Minister gore e re a ntse a tsweletse, a nne le lenaneo la go re okeletsa diphologolo jaaka ke bua, re tle re kgone go gola.

Bana ba rona kwa kgaolong ba tsenye letsogo ka ditiro le tsone ga di yo.

Ke tsaya gore Motlhware e tlaa re thusa gore fale le fale bana ba rona ba bone ditiro.

Ke gakolole Tona gore re kile ra bua ka Lephephe, Sojwe le Shadishadi.

Re na le matšha a mantle fela thata.

Re ne re akantse gore Goromente o tlaa thusa banana ba rona gore go nne le sengwe se se dirwang teng koo.
Go nne le letsenonyana la madinyana mo bananeng ba dikgaolo tsa Shadishadi, Sojwe le Lephephe.

Ke gakolola Minister gore re santse re eme mmaetsho gore lephata la gago la reng, le tlaa re thusa jang, le re kaetsa jang gore bana ba rona mo dikgaolong ka ga go na ditiro, jaaka e le tsone mmangmang, di kgoreletsa sengwe le sengwe, ba tle ba dire sengwe.

Matšha a ija fela ga go na sepe se a se dirang.

Ke matšha a mantle thata, a e leng gore le wena jaaka o a bone o feta, a kgatlha leitlho.
Fa re tlhabolotse fale le fale, bajanala ba le bantsi ba tlaa tla koo.

Batho ba ba tsayang dinepe ba nyalane, ba parties ba tlaa tsaya dinepe koo, go tsenya sengwenyana mo letloleng.

Ke a go kopa Tona, akanya mmaetsho gore o re tlhatlhelela jang, re tle re simolole project ele.

E ka thusa kgaolo ya me, bana ba rona ba thusege, ba bone ditiro.

Mr Chairperson, re sale re solofediwa cultural village kwa Diphuduhudu.
Ngwaga o jaanong ke wa lesome re ntse re emetse gore cultural village kwa kgaolong ya rona ya Diphuduhudu e dirwe.

Re ne ra kopa setsha se se tona, ra bewa ke land board e le gore lephata la re kamoso re tlaabo re simolola re dira, re teratelela, le gompieno Mr Chairperson, ga go na sepe se se diragetseng.

10 years ke dingwaga tse dintsi thata.

Batho ba Diphuduhudu e bile ba a itlhoboga ba re go raya gore golo fa Goromente o ne o a tshameka ka bone.
Jaanong ke ne ke kopa rraetsho, kana ke teng kwa ngwao e leng teng, re ne re batla gore re ye go boloka ngwao ya Sesarwa, e se ka ya latlhega.

Batho ba tle ba itse gore Basarwa ba ne ba tshela jang; ba robala jang, ba tsoma jang.

Ke yone idea e re neng re akantse gore re tle re dire jalo.

Jaanong go tsaya lebaka rraetsho.

Basarwa bagarona kwa Diphuduhudu ba tlaa latlhegelwa ke ngwao ya bone.

Bana ba bone kamoso ga ba ka ke ba itse gore ngwao ya bone e simologile fa kae e bile e feletse fa kae.
O a itse rraetsho gore Goromente wa rona o a rotloetsa gore re tshwanetse ra tshegetsa ngwao ya rona mme re ka e tshegetsa fela jaana.

Diphuduhudu Mr Chairperson jaaka o itse, ke batho ba e leng gore letseno la madi mo go bone ga leo, sengwe le sengwe sa rona re se beile mo go Goromente, a a re thuse.

Fa Goromente a sa se thuse Mr Chairperson, ga gona sepe se re ka se bonang.
Ke ne ke kopa rraetsho gore bagolo ba Diphuduhudu ba santse ba le teng ba ise ba tsewe ke Modimo, re bone gore tota cultural village ya koo e a dirwa.

Ke sone se ke neng ke re rraetsho re tle re se kope.
24 Hansard No 205Wednesday 16th March, 2022ORGANISATION 2000 - MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT, NATURAL RESOURCES CONSERVATION AND TOURISMCommittee of Supply Mr Chairperson, bogologolo re ne re tlwaetse gore batho ba letso la Sesarwa, segolo jang ka nna e rile ke le Mokhanselara, ke ne ke ntse ke emetse bone batho ba ba Diphuduhudu, ba ne ba fiwa licence ya diphologolo gore ba ye go di tsoma mahala, ba sa duele sepe.
Jaanong jaaka diphologolo di buletswe jaana gore go ka bolawa fale le fale Mr Chairperson, ba tlhola ba botsa gore, “a rona jaanong licence ya rona e phimotswe ka gore re ne re tsewa kwa sekgweng kwa re neng re tlwaetse gore bana ba rona fale le fale re tshwanetse ra a ja nama ka gore ngwao ya rona ke gore re je nama?

Fa re sa je nama re ja mmu.” Re ne re le mo mathateng ka gore fa o emetse batho ba letso la Sesarwa rraetsho ke mathata.

Jaaka ba bua, ba re nama.


Fa nama e seyo, re ne re tshwara bothata kwa Diphuduhudu.

Fa nama e seyo ba ja mmu ka gore ba ne ba tlwaetse jalo kwa ba neng ba tswa teng gore ba je nama.

Goromente o ne a na le thulaganyo ya gore a ba fe permits tsa gore ba bolaye diphogololo.

Jaanong ba a mpotsa gore, “Mopalamente, lenaneo leo le kae ka gore fa re sa bone nama ya phologolo, go raya gore bana ba rona ba tlaa ja mmu?” Ke ne ke kopa Mr Chairperson gore a re se ka ra bolaela ngwao ya batho ba ruri.
Fa e le gore ngwao ya bone ke re a itse gore ke nama, a re ba e neele ba e e je ka gore go na thulaganyo e e salwang morago.

Ke sone se ke reng rraetsho, lephata le la ga Mmaetsho Kereng, ke lephata le le tona thata le le akareditseng sengwe le sengwe; matshelo a batho a mo teng.

Matshelo a batho ba kgaolo e ke e emetseng bontsi jwa one a mo go ene.

Ke a leboga Mr Chairperson.

MR CHAIRPERSON: Thank you Honourable Kablay.

You have really saved us a lot of time.

Ke a leboga Motlotlegi Mopalamente wa me.


Re tlaa utlwa Mopalamente wa Selebi Phikwe Botlhaba, Rraagwe Pako.

MR NKAWANA (SELEBI PHIKWE EAST): Ke a go leboga.

Mma ke go dumedise Modulasetilo wa gompieno.

Ke dumedise batlotelgi botlhe ba ba leng mo Ntlong e. Ke leboge Tona yo o re beileng pego ya gagwe pele a kopa madi.
E bile ke supe gore ke tlaa tsamaya ke dumalana le ene mo go tse pedi tse tharo, segolobogolo jang ka gore o setse a kile a tlisa pego e ya gagwe e fa pele ga committee e ke leng mo go yone e e eteletsweng pele ke Honourable Majaga.

Ke simolole ka gore dikgang tse ke nang le tsone tse ke tsayang gore Tona o ka di tsaya a di baakanya, a di baya mo tafoleng ya gagwe gore di nne teng, ke simolole ka kgang ya concession areas.
Go a tshwenya gore go tla go tsena mo nakong yone e, Batswana ba sekei fa o ba tshwantshanya le Batswana ba mmala, e bo e le gore Batswana ba sekei ba gona ope yo o nang le concession area.

O bo o ka ipotsa gore mo lefatsheng le le kana la kilometres tse di kanakana, Motswana ene a bo a bonwa ka four hectares, two hectares, 1000 square metres.

Tota sentlentle Tona, a o a lemoga gore golo fa Batswana ga ba na seabe gotlhelele mo bojanaleng?
Bone ke ba ba jang mausanyana fela, matlhotlhoranyana fela fa go ntse go jewa ka gore bontsi jwa madi a gone mo concession areas.

Gongwe e bile gape motho o ka botsa gore a Tona o itse Motswana ope wa sekei, e se wa mmala, yo o nang le hotel?

E seng lodge, guest house, domestic guest house; proper hotel e e leng gore bajanala ba ba ratang dilo tse di magasigasi, ba ba nang le madi, ba ba tshotseng sephatšhe, ba ka ya go robala kwa go yone.
Ka kitso ya me, ga ke gakologelwe ope Motswana wa sekei yo o ntseng jalo.

Ke dirisa lefoko la Motswana wa sekei ka gore ke tsaya o a ntshwara gore ke raya jang.

A ko o leke o tsenye Batswana, banana ba teng ba ipaakantse, ba tlhoka moeteledipele yo o ka supang gore gompieno ke emetse banana, ke emetse banana ke batla gore banana ba tsene mo mhameng o ka mmetela mme Puso le yone e ba thusa fa e ka ba thusang teng.

Ke na le kgang e nngwe Tona, ke utlwile o bua ka dam tourism.
Sa ntlha ke supe gore kana fa o bua ka dam tourism, ke dumela gore ga o bue ka water activities fela, o bua ka the entire surrounding ya mo matamong gore e nne le tourism activities.

Ke dumela gore seo ke se o se rayang.

Se se ntshosang Tona ke gore ke utlwile golo gongwe o supa gore jaanong Thune le Letsibogo, sites tse di leng teng di ya go neelwa communities mme maloba jaana ngwaga o o neng o feta o ne o ntshitse tenders tsa sites tsa activities gone foo, tsa establishments.
Ke ipotsa gore a di ntse di teng kgotsa o di phimotse kgotsa jang?

Mme fa e le gore di teng, go botlhokwa thata gore banana ba ba ka tswang ba ikopetse (applied) mo sebakeng sone se, o ba potlakele, ba se ka ba tsofalela mo go reng ba letetse gore o ba fetole.

Batswana gompieno fa ba dira applications, a ke tsa matlo kana tsa eng, it takes forever motho a ntse a letetse.
Le matsana a a neng a beile mo go one, a bo a nyelele a tserwe ke ditiro tse dingwe tse di neng di se mo lenaneong la gagwe, a dira jalo ka go itlhoboga.
Ke re Tona a ko o dire jalo o supe gore o a tsapoga o ka dira diro ka pela, mme le gone e le boammaaruri, e se ka ya nna puo ka molomo kamoso 25 Hansard No 205Wednesday 16th March, 2022ORGANISATION 2000 - MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT, NATURAL RESOURCES CONSERVATION AND TOURISMCommittee of Supply o bo o fetogetse mafoko a gago e le gore jaanong o tabogisa banana, ba tlatsa forms, ba incur costs tsa go dira project proposals, ba kopa lefatshe ka gore o ba reile wa re tlang kwano e le kope mme ka moso o bo o re o fetogile jaanong o neela the communities.
Ke selo se se ntle gore o neele the community mme fela a re se ka ra dira dilo tse e leng gore kamoso re a di fetogela re bo re sa bue le ba e leng gore re ne re ba reile ra re tlang kwano le tle go iteka lesego.

Ke selo se se ntle Tona gore o bo o ne o ile kwa Dubai go bapatsa lefatshe mme e bile ke a bona gore le yone Dubai e a iteka e kopisa mo go se re leng mo go sone gore le bone ba nne le sone kwa lefatsheng la bone.
Re a itse gape gore lefatshe la Dubai ke lefatshe le le nang le madi a mantsintsi mme jaanong potso e tlaa nna gore a mme ditshenyegelo tse re neng re di bona maloba e le gore almost the entire Cabinet, mongwe le mongwe o beile leoto koo if I am correct, ba ile kwa Dubai, huge investment, what is the return on investment?

Kana Tona re tshwanetse ra dira dilo re lebile jaaka le tle le bue gore sepatšhe se kwa tlase mme mo re neng re go bona mo ga go supe fa e le gore go ntse jalo.
Ga gona prudence mo tirisong ya madi a setšhaba.

Legale eo ke ne ke feta ka yone ke re, lebelela gore Dubai e dira eng, ba setse ba na le park e e tona, gongwe e tsamaela go lekana le bo Moremi Game Reserve, ba tsentse diphologolo mo teng.

Ga ke ka ke ka gakgamala fa ke ka utlwa gotwe ke wena o di ba rekiseditseng, fela jaaka re kile ra ba rekisetsa bommantšhe, business ya bommantšhe e bo e nyelela, it collapsed.
Ga go ka ke ga pala gore fa ba setse ba na le dilo tse mo mafatsheng a bone le rona re bo re sala re itshwere melomo gore re dirile eng.

Ke eletsa gape Tona gore fa o bua ka community trusts, bontsi jwa tsone re a di bona di a totoba, mme o kare madi a o a kopang ga ke dumele gore a lekane.

Ke dumela gore o kopa madi a mannye, segolo jang mo vote e o yang go thusa community trusts ka yone.
Keletso ya me ke go bona o ya to the community trusts, e se go ya fela gongwe o ba thusa go dira management plan or proposals, o ba thusa, o ba totobisa to run kgwebo go fitlhelela e ikemela ka dinao, wena mme e le gore you are withdrawing gradually.

E seng mo o tlaabong o tsena o ba latlhelela o bo o tsamaya, kamoso o bo o re, ga re na madi re tlaa tla re ya go le kopela kwa MaJeremaneng kgotsa kwa go bo semangmang.

A Puso e tseye tshwetso ya gore re ya go thusa Batswana, ka gore e ke ya Batswana.
A e se ka ya nna lemme, e nne a bold decision fela gore gompieno we want to develop community projects, community trusts, gore re ba tshegetse ba tle ba kgone go itshegetsa ka bo bone.

Dikgang tsa me di dintsi Tona, kgang e nngwe ke gore, kana rona kwa Phikwe le fa o ntse o balolola jaana ga ke bone gope fa re tsenang teng.

Ke bona go buiwa ka mafelo a mangwe a a kgakala, fa go buiwa ka tourism ga gona fa Phikwe a tsenang teng.
Keletso ya me Tona ke gore, ka re masiela a ko o re utlwele botlhoko…ke na le go go tshephanyana le fa e se mo go tona, gore fa ke bua le wena jaana gongwe o ka ntheetsa wa re latlhela sengwenyana, le rona ra ipona re bua sengwe sa bojanala.

Re batho ba ba sekono thata kwa Phikwe, re ithata thata.

Fa o ka ya kwa Phikwe o tlaa fitlhela e le gore we are probably the cleanest town.
A ko o thuse bo ratoropo ka kwa, town clerks, khansele yotlhe o ba neele madi, re se ka ra nna re ba supa ka monwana re re toropo e leswe, pollution, re gasagasa sengwe le sengwe gongwe le gongwe.

E le ka lebaka la gore ditlamelo tsa madi a go phepafatsa ga di yo.

Mme ke ba kopela gore dira jalo Tona o nne o ba thuse.

Ke eletsa gape Tona gore jaaka o re o neela batho diphologolo fa ba ageletse masimo, le yone eo ke eletsa gore o kope madi a a bonalang.
O se ka wa tshaba, kopa madi bogolo o ganwe ke ba ba tshwanang le rona, re ka go gana.

Kopa madi o ye go thusa balemi barui, gore fa ba teratela masimo ba tsenya diphologolo, ba bo ba dira mo go tshwanetseng, mo go viable, mo go ka tsholetsang itsholelo ya bone.

E se ka ya nna morwalo.


Kana fa le riana le re batho ba ye go rua diphologolo, fa gongwe re a bo re ba rwesa morwalo kamoso re tsoga re tlhoboga re re ga go kgonagale, ntateng ya gore ga re a ka ra ba thusa ka bontsi jwa bone ba sa ithutela tiro ya mofuta oo.

Ga se ngwao ya rona ya go rua diphologolo, ke selo se se šha se re tshwanetseng go tlwaetsa Batswana, le go bona gore a mme mo re go dirang go na le potential ya go bitsa bajanala locally.
Ke digele Tona ka ya gore, this high cost low volume e re bolaile thata, kana eo e dira gore ordinary Batswana ba se ka ba kgona go ya kwa makgobokgobong, bo Kgalagadi, ntateng ya gore costs tsa go ya teng le go robala mo marokong a teng di kwa godimo thata.

Leka gore gompieno o bulele, o bo o bule ditsela tse di tsamaegang.

A go nne le plan e e tlaa dirang gore ditsela dingwe e nne tse di ka tsamaiwang ka sekonotere, tse dingwe e nne tse di senang sekonotere, gore Batswana ba kgone go goroga gone koo.
Ke a go leboga Mr Chairperson.

26 Hansard No 205Wednesday 16th March, 2022ORGANISATION 2000 - MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT, NATURAL RESOURCES CONSERVATION AND TOURISMCommittee of Supply MINISTER OF EMPLOYMENT, LABOUR PRODUCTIVITY AND SKILLS DEVELOPMENT (MR SHAMUKUNI): Ke a leboga Mr Chairperson, morumere Mr Chairperson.

Ke emela go ema nokeng kopo ya ga Minister Kereng ya go abelwa madi a a kopang gore a ye go dira ditiro tsa lephata.
E bile ke mo akgolele go bona madi a re kileng ra a mo fa ngogola a a dirisitse sentle fela thata, because o report 90 per cent expenditure mo Development Budget.

Ke sengwe se a tshwanelwang ke gore re se mo akgolele, ka gore to spend madi a a kana mo Development Budget jaaka ke e tle ke supe, tota o a bo o isitse ditirelo kwa bathong.

Palamente e go file madi gore o ye go direla setšhaba.

Fa o a dirisitse, o a bo o diretse setšhaba sa Botswana.
Ke eletsa go simolola pele ka go atolosa kgang e e neng ya buiwa ke Honourable Mmolotsi kgantele, e a neng a supa gore gongwe re ne re le on a trip ya Palamente kwa London ka ya go kopana le rakgwebo mongwe yo o mo kgaolong ya me, a lodge owner.

Boammaaruri Mr Chairperson ke gore, bana ba Batswana ba ba berekang in concessions that are owned by batswakwa, bontsi jwa nako ba a babalelwa.
O fitlhela e le gore tota the way ba berekang ka teng, dinako tse dingwe ga go kgatlhise, ka gore o fitlhela e nna selelo sa gone fela go sa tlhokomelesega fa ba direlang teng.

O fitlhela e nna dikgang tsa dituelo tse di kwa tlase le boroko fela jo ba e tleng ba bo fiwe mo gotweng staff accommodation.

O fitlhela e le ga seemo se se kwa tlase.

Kana mme go thata to engage batho ba se gautshwane le rona, jalo fa ba le kgakala jaana o fitlhela e le gore ga ba direle bana sentle.
Go kgona go buisana le bone ke dinako tse dingwe fela o ba latile, mme go boammaaruri ke ne ka dira jalo.

Ra ya go buisana ka dikgang tsa babereki, mme ga nna botokanyana.

This is not an isolated case Mr Chairperson, fa o ka lebelela bontsi, jwa makgobokgobo le concessions tse dingwe Botswana jo jotlhe, tse di leng mo diatleng tsa batswakwa, seemo se se santse se tshwana fela.
Ke sone se selelo sa rona se leng kwa godimo thata, gore nako e gorogile ya gore Batswana jaanong ba nne le seabe sa go nna bone ba ba tsamaisang concessions tse… MR REATILE: Clarification.

Tla ke go leboge Honourable Chairperson, ke bo ke leboge le Motlotlegi Tona wa tsa Babereki.

Tona ke utlwa sentle ke go reeditse tota motlotlegi ka kgang e o e buang e le nnete ya gore, bana ba rona ba ba berekang mo industry ya batho ba ga Mme Kereng, ba a boga.
Ke batla go itse gore motlotlegi fa go lela wena, re itse gore ke wena o tshwereng tharabololo ya dilelo tsa babereki, tota jaanong o raya gore re ye go ikuela kae?

MR SHAMUKUNI: Nnyaa, ga ke lele, ke le bolela se se diragalang, ke gore ke tsibosa Tona, motivating concessions tse gore di tsene mo diatleng tsa Batswana.

E ya gore go lelelwa mo go nna, ke na le plan ya gore ke ya go dira jang.
Ke tlaabo ke bereka le Tona go leka go baakanya seemo, for example sa go kgokgontsha babereki jalo, le dituelo tse di sa nnang sentle, eo re ya go e bereka.

E bile ke eletsa go supa Minister gore, fa re bua ka revenue leakages, tota bothata bo tswa gone fa.

Fa concessions tse di le mo diatleng tsa batswakwa ba le bokgaka bokana, accounts le agents tsa bone di le kwa, ke gore madi a bone a tsena fela gone koo a ba rekisang safari activities mo Botswana, mme madi a bone a tsenela koo.
Se ba se tlisang kwano ke madi that maintains camps tsa bone, le a babereki fela.

E kile ya re nako nngwe ke le kwa Kenya ke bona maKenya e le bone concession holders, ba tsamaisa dikampa tsa maemo a a kwa godimo.

Ka bona gore mme golo fa it is possible, Batswana can get into this industry at high end, ba tsamaisa concessions fela jalo Mr Chairpersons.

O supile fa Honourable Minister gore in terms of product diversification, le tsweletse ka Kasane Kazungula Redevelopment Plan.
Ke rata ke go akgolele seo ka gore le rona on the ground re a bona, particularly in moving assets dingwe tsa ga Goromente tse di mo river front, di isiwa kwa di tshwanetseng teng.

Ke go akgolele seo.

Ke leboga gore that project e tlaabo e ntsha close to 41 tourism concessions areas jaaka o supa.

Ke kopa gore ke tswele lentswe ba kgaolo ya me, particularly bagwebi ba ba botlana, gape jaaka ke tlhola ke dira.
Mo concessions tse 41 tse, ke a itse gore they are going to be tendered for Tona, mme e tlaabo e le phadisanyo le bangwe ba ba mashetla, ba dipata tse di tseneletseng di le deep tota Mr Chairperson.

Ke ne ke re re reserve le fa e le 10 concessions, o bo o re tse ke tsa locally operators tsa mo Chobe ka gore phadisanyo ya bone le ba ba bangwe, ke itse gore e tlaa bo e le mashetla.

We want them to grow, re batla go ba fa opportunity ya gore le bone ba gole, e nne operators tsa maemo a a tlhwatlhwa.
In addition, we have this policy ya to procure services mo locality.

E tlaabo e se sepe se sesha, we have a policy ya to empower batho ba mafelo a a rileng.

We should do that for operators tsa Chobe.

Ke leboga the support e re e bonang Tona from makalana a o yang kwa go one o ya go kopa madi, bo Kavango- Zambezi (KAZA), United States Agency International Development (USAID) jalo go thusa ka management plan tsa parks, le go thusa ka infrastructure.
KAZA ke eletsa gore ke e leboge go thusa ka accommodation 27 Hansard No 205Wednesday 16th March, 2022ORGANISATION 2000 - MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT, NATURAL RESOURCES CONSERVATION AND TOURISMCommittee of Supply facilities in parks.

O na le bana kwa bo Lenyanti le Savuti, KAZA e thusitse ka accommodation.

Kana this in part, you were addressing le selelo sa babereki ba gago mo diphakeng.
O ba tlhokomele thata gape Tona, bana ba ba nna mo nageng, o fitlhela ba sena services, fa gongwe o fitlhela ba sokola ka bo metsi.

Nako tse dingwe ba eletsa gore ba etelwe ke bana ba bone mme re sa dira facilities tse di siameng tota gore ba ka fa boroko bana ba bone fa ba ba etela mo mafelong a go nna jalo.

O beye kgang e leitlho, o ba tlhokomele thata ka gore ba nna mo nageng.

In terms of opportunities for professional development, go tla go nna thata mo go bone Mr Chairperson.

Tona o ba tlhokomele.


E ke tlaa eletsang gore ke wele ka yone ka gore ke bona gore nako e a ntlogela ke gore Kasane slowly, we are positioning it e le lefelo le go tshwarelwang conferences le events teng.

Ke eletsa go leboga Batswana gore they pitch up for events, o fitlhela ba nna bantsi mo Kgaolong ya Kasane and golo moo go tsosolosa local tourism.

Maloba re ne re tshwere the Kazungula Bridge Marathon, e e leng gore Batswana ba ne ba tla ka mmetela e le part of local tourism.
Most sectors tsa economy benefited, particularly those who were offering accommodation ka gore go ne go tletse, go simolola ka lodges tse ditona le guests houses tse dinnyennyane tota.

Se ke tlaa eletsang gore ke tle ke se kopanele le wena Tona mo isagong ke gore mo events tse di tlang, re bone gore re ka atolosa jang participation ya banni ba kgaolo to benefit thata from these events.
E re batho ba le kwa, wa kgwebo nngwefela, le ene a supe gore ke bone sengwe se se bonalang out of the activities tse di nnang teng kwa Kgaolong ya Chobe.

We want them to benefit and ba bone gore e re re isa events di ba tswela mosola, ga se tse di tlisang baeng fela, le bone they are an integral part of events tseo.

Ke tse di siameng, di atolosa le itsholelo ya rona.

Clarification Motsamai.

MR MOTSAMAI: Clarification.

O mpolaisa kgodisa wa re clarification.


Ke ne ke re Mr Chairperson… MR CHAIRPERSON: Your time is up.

Honourable Assistant Minister of Agriculture.

Fa a seyo, go ya go latela Motlotlegi Mopalamente wa Takatokwane, Honourable Tshoganetso Friction Leuwe; Rraagwe Kopano.

MR LEUWE (TAKATOKWANE): Thank you Mr Chairperson.

Ke a leboga e bile ke dumedisa Modulasetilo, gore ke bo ke bone motsotso le nna tshokologong ya letsatsi.
Ke eletsa go supa gore ka 28 botlalo ke ema Tona nokeng ka kopo ya madi a lephata la gagwe.

Ke mo ema nokeng jaana gore le ene a tle a ye go nkema nokeng kwa Kgaolong ya Takatokwane ka dikgang tse ke tlaa di mmayang pele.

Pele fa ke tswelela koo, ke eletsa gore ke leboge lephata le le neng le tshwaretse moletlogadi wa ipelelo letsatsi le gotweng ke World Wildlife Day kwa kgaolong ya rona kwa motseng wa Letlhakeng.
Re lebogela thulaganyo eo gore ba bo ba ne ba tsere tshwetso eo, le tsotlhe tse ba re di solofeditseng fa ba le koo.

Le ene Tona yo a neng a tsile go go emela Tona, Tona Modukanele, o ntshitse pego ya gago ka botlalo, a bua mafoko a a monate a batho ba neng ba a itumelela mo kgaolong e. Re lebogela selo seo gore le boseong jwa gago Tona, thulaganyo ya ofisi ya gago e ne ya tsamaya fela sentle go ipelela letsatsi leo la mafatshefatshe la wildlife.
Ke eletsa gore ke supe Tona gore ke dumalana le kopo e ya gago ya madi ke lebile dintlha dingwe tse ke eletsang gore mo Kgaolong ya Takatokwane, o tle o ye go re di direla o di lebile.

Kgang ya me ya ntlha e Tona thata e ke eletsang gore o e ele tlhoko Tona fa o tswa fa, ke go bula gate e re saleng re e solofediwa gaufi le Tsetseng.

Re eletsa go bona gate eo e butswe ka gore e ya go tlhamela Batswana ba le bantsi mo kgaolong ya rona ditiro.
Gate eo e ya go nna mosola, e tlaabo e le gaufi gape thata le ba bangwe ba ba ka kwano go tsenelela mo teng ga game reserve go ya go bona diphologolo.

E bile go na le ba ba tlaabong ba dirile businesses fa tlase ga yone.

Kopo ke gore re sa le re e solofeditswe kwa Tsetseng, a e dirwe Tona.

Madi a e nne bontlha bongwe jo bo yang go bula gate eo ka ke dumela fa o ne o dirisiwa ke gore go ne go sena madi.

Ke ao ke a a go gololela ke le Mopalamente wa Takatokwane, ka re ya go bula gate ya Tsetseng Tona.
Ke eletsa gore ke kgotlhakgotlhano… tsene mo kgannyeng ya OF MINISTER ASSISTANT LOCAL GOVERNMENT AND RURAL DEVELOPMENT (MS MONNAKGOTLA): On a point of elucidation.

Ke a leboga go bo o buile ka gate ya Central Kalahari Game Reserve (CKGR) e e kwa Tsetseng.

E ya go dira bogolo jang kgwebo kwa kgaolong ya gago le mo Kgaolong ya Kgalagadi North, along Trans-Kalahari Highway.

Ke mafoko a mantle a tota Tona a tshwanetseng go batla madi, a bone gore gate eo e a dirwa ka gore e ya go tlhama mmereko.
E bile gape ke ntse ke le foo ke re ke dilo tse dintle tse Tona a di buang mme gape a lebelele le gone gore kwa Trans-Kalahari Highway, go na le matlakala a o Hansard No 205Wednesday 16th March, 2022ORGANISATION 2000 - MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT, NATURAL RESOURCES CONSERVATION AND TOURISMCommittee of Supply fitlhelang a nna sebaka mo ditopong, a kgotlela tikologo, a bo bojanala jwa rona bo sa lebege sentle.

Ke a leboga Mr Chairperson.

MR LEUWE: Thank you Honourable Chairperson.


Ke a leboga Mma Monnakgotla, o tladitse.

Ke re ke tsena mo kgotlhakgotlhanong ya diphologolo le batho.

Ke eletsa go bona lephata la gago le tlisa thuso thata kwa bathong gore diphologolo di ka re duela, gongwe e bile di ka re duela le go feta tsone dikgomo kgotsa dipodi tse re setseng re di tlwaetse.

Go a kgonagala gore motho a tshele sentle le phologolo.
Gompieno fa o ka ya kwa bo Kasane, o ya go fitlhela mathinthinyane a tsamaya fela mo mmolong mo, a na le batho, mme rona mo dikgaolong tsa rona, fa a ka bo a dira phoso mathinthinyane yoo, a kgabola mo motseng, re tlaa tlhola re mo alotse motshegare otlhe go fitlhela re ya go baya tlhogo, e le gore ga selo se re se tlwaetseng.

Ke dumela gore re tlhoka thuto le gore ene mathinthinyane yo, o ka go duela...(Inaudible)…o boelwa fela ka go ya go mo ja.
Ke dumela gore re tshwanetse gore thuto e aname thata mo dikgaolong tse di ka kwano, bogolo jang jaaka o re o eletsa go re bona re ruela mo masimong.

A go nne le thuto fela e tseneletseng, Batswana ba itse gore phologolo e ka ba duela, e bile jaanong go tlaa fokotsa le yone kgotlhakgotlhano ya Batswana le diphologolo ka gore e tlaabo e le diruiwa tsa bone, ba itse gore ba di tlhokomela jang, ba di kganela jang gore di se ka tsa gotlhagotlhana le bone, re tlhoka thuto eo thata.
Ke eletsa gore gongwe ke kgabole ka ntlha ya gore ke santse ke dumela jalo ke tshwana le wena Tona gore bojanala fa re ka bo tshwara sentle...(Inaudible)…jo bo re direlang ditiro tse dintsintsi, bo ka re tsenyetsa letseno le lentsintsi thata.

Ke belaela gore gongwe dilo dingwe ga di dirwe ka tsela e e siameng, ke sone se re feleletsang o kare jaanong bojanala ga bo re tsenyetse letseno le re neng re le solofetse kgotsa ga bo re direle se re neng re se solofetse.
Ke ne ke kopa gore fela jaaka...(Inaudible)…e kgonne go dira gore businesses tsa bojanala, bontsi jwa tsone di we, fa di wa, go raya gore batho ba le bantsi ba senyegelwa ke ditiro.

A re nne le tshwetso fela e e siameng ya lephata la gago, e e nonofileng gore you are going to revive businesses tsa bojanala bogolo jang tse di amang Batswana.

Go na le businesses tsa Batswana tota 100 per cent, bogolo jang e bile o kare ke tsone tse di oleng le go feta.
O ye go itebaganya le tsone, di tle di busetse batho ba ba mo mekgwatheng mo ditirong ka gore fela fa o di tsosolosa, e bile tumelo ya me ke gore batho ba ba neng ba le mo teng, ba ba ya go boela mo teng.

Ditsela di dintsi tse re ka di tsosolosang ka tsone.
Re ka dira gore go nne le thulaganyo fela le fa re ntsha grant, madi fela ba a adimiwe a a tlaa se keng a tseye dingwaga a ntse a re o a adima gore a ye go tsosolola business ya gagwe ka gore ke dumela fa adimile madi ao, a na le business, fa e le gore go a pala, go tlaa tsewa business ya teng, mme gone ene o tlaabo a hirile batho.

Ke sone se ke reng, ke kopa gore gongwe o se lebelele thata.
Ke eletsa gore e re fa o ntse o le koo, ke leboge diofisi tse tharo tse ke nang le tsone...(Inaudible)…mme ka gore dinako tse tsotlhe fa o ikuela mo go bone, go simolola fela ka wena Tona, le a tsiboga, mme bothata jo bo tona jwa bone ke ditsompelo.
Fa o ya kwa Dutlwe, ga go na ditsompelo, bone ba teng kwa ba emetse fela gore ba dire tiro, jaanong setšhaba se simolotse go ba raya dipuo tse e seng tsone ka gore ba bona o kare ga ba ba thuse, mme tota go sena sepe se ba ka se itirang kwa Dutlwe, Kaudwane le Khutse e le gore ditsompelo ke tsone tse di ba dirang gore e nne e kete jaanong ga ba bereke tiro ka botlalo.
Kopo ya ga Leuwe ke gore jaaka ke go...(Inaudible)…madi a, a le nna kwa kgaolong ya me, ke ye go bona bodiredi jo, bo engwa nokeng ka madi, ditsompelo, dikoloi le didirisiwa fela tsotlhe tse re itseng ba di tlhoka.
Ke eletsa gore o lebalebe Tona, o sekaseke, o tsenelele kwa teng thata ka kgang e re sa bolong go e solofediwa ya gore go tlaa lejwalejwa, go sekasekiwa go bonwa gore diphologolo tse di senyetsang batho, di ka okediwa jang ka gore go na le tse dingwe tse di senyang, mme di se dangerous, mme mo gongwe di senya le go feta tsone tse di dangerous, di senyetsa motho fela yo o beileng mo go yone tshimonyana, kgomo kana podi eo.

A re lebelele dilo tse Batswana ba lelang ka tsone fa re buisa diphuthego.
Maphakela fa ke buisa phuthego kwa Tsetseng, motho o ne a tla a tabogile, a tla go ntsha officer mo phuthegong, a mo raya a re ditlou di ka fa di senya mo tshimong.

Tumelo ke...(Inaudible)…dikgang tse di ka re...(Inaudible)… Ke eletsa gore ke kgabole ka kgang ya kgoro e e tsenang mo CKGR o tswa ka kwa Gantsi, le kgoro e o tsenang mo CKGR o tswa kwa go nna kwa Kaudwane, ditsamaiso le dithulaganyo tsa tsone, di a farologana.
Di a farologana mo o tlaa fitlhelang o kare kwa go rona, ga go diragale jaaka ba ba ka kwa Gantsi.

Tse ba di bonang kwa, rona ka kwano ga re di bone.
Ke gakologelwa la bofelo nako nngwe e bile ke go kopa o bo o tsiboga le ofisi ya gago; bo Director le Permanent Secretary (PS) e le gore 29 Hansard No 205Wednesday 16th March, 2022ORGANISATION 2000 - MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT, NATURAL RESOURCES CONSERVATION AND TOURISMCommittee of Supply jaanong ba ba kwano, ba a kganelwa, ba ba ka kwa ba tsene e bile ba tsamayatsamaya...(Inaudible)…Ke re a re...(Inaudible)…uniform, tsamaiso e e ka kwa o tsena mo CKGR, a e ye go dirisiwa gape le kwa Kaudwane, e se ka ya nna gore ka kwa e motlhofo, ka kwano o kare go a gagamala.
Tumelo ke gore le lephata le le lengwe fela, ditsamaiso di tshwanetse gore di nne dingwe fela.

Tona, sa bofelo ke gore ke go ema nokeng ka kopo ya gago, ke lephata le ke le ratang le, le ke dumelang gore fa re dira ditiro sentle, le ka re hirela Batswana ba le bantsi.

E bile madi a fa o a tsaya, o se ka wa bo wa lebala Kgaolo ya Takatokwane e e go ratang thata.

Sa bofelo Tona, ke kopa gore o etele stations tse ke buang ka tsone...(Inaudible)…le Khutse.

Ke a leboga Modulasetilo, ke rebolela Tona madi.


MR CHAIRPERSON: Thank you Honourable Leuwe.

We are now going to have Motlotlegi Mopalamente wa Jwaneng-Mabutsane, Motlotlegi Mopalamente wa pele wa Betesankwe; Honourable Reatile.

MR REATILE (JWANENG-MABUTSANE): Tla ke go leboge Modulasetilo wa komiti e e tlotlegang yo o tsamaisang kabo ya madi mo letsatsing la gompieno.

Ke bo ke leboge le Tona gore a bo a re beile kopo ya gagwe pele mo Ntlong ya gago e e tlotlegang Mr Chairperson.
Ke dumela gore o tlaa tswelela a ntse a dira diphetogo.

Le fa e a ne e re fa ke mmolelela mo budget e e fetileng, a ipoke fa, a ntsholofetsa gore o etla kwa kgaolong, go raya gore jaanong go tshwanetse go bo go na le dira dingwe mo tseleng tse di mo itsang go goroga kwa Jwaneng-Mabutsane.

Jaanong re tlwaetse rona ba bangwe, re tshela ka ditsholofetso, ga go ntshwenye, dilo tse dingwe fa o kare o di isa kwa pelong, o ka tloga wa itsenya malwetse a a seyong.
Honourable Chairperson, ke ne ke re gongwe ke simolole fela ka gore Tona, ke ne ke kopa gore ...(Interruptions)…tse o di fitlhetseng mo ofising ya gago, tse di supang bopelotlhomogi.

Ngwao e o e fitlhetseng Tona ke gore, go kile ga bo go diragala gore motho yo o bolailweng ke phologolo, a bo a neelwa madi gore o ka bolokwa, o neela bana kana batsadi ba gagwe madi a a kana ka P20 000 gore ba boloke ngwana kana motsadi wa bone ba itlhoboge.
Jaanong gompieno o na le lenaneo la gore o bo o re, yo o bolailweng ke phologolo, mo fitlheng ka fa le mo fitlhang ka teng, le bo le simolola le tsena mo process ya gore le ye go batla madi a lona kwa High Court, e bo e le gore le tlaa bona madi a a kana ka P70 000.

Ga ke itse, a mme go tewa gore go pega P50 000 fela fa godimo ga P20 000, ke gone mo go ka ketefaletsang batho diphitlho ka bokete jo bo kanakana Tona, e le gore go kile ga bo go le motlhofo?
Jaanong dikgang tse, ba bua fela gore re kile ra bo re tshela botoka ka fa tlase ga ditsamaiso tsa bo Rre Mokaila, gompieno go tlile mme yo mongwe gatwe Mme Kereng, mme yo tota o a re sotla, a bo a re sotle le re sule tota.

Jaanong Tona, a ko o leke gore kgang e, o e sekaseke, o bone gore o ka tlhofofatsa jang gore ba ba latlhegetsweng, ba ba fifaletsweng, o ba tokafaletse gore jaanong ba ye go fitlha motsadi kana ngwana wa bone go le motlhofo, e seng go le bokete ka fa gompieno go nnang bokete ka teng.
Ga ke batle go bua kgang e Tona, ka lebaka la gore o a e itse, ke dikgang tse nako le nako di fitlhang kwa ofising ya gago.

Honourable Chairperson, ke batla go fetela mo kgannyeng e e tshwanang le e Tautona e neng ya re fa a ipapatsa, a bapatsa le Domkrag, Matona le Makhanselara a gagwe, ga nna le kgang e a e buang e le motlhofo thata, mme go lebega jaanong Matona ba gagwe ba e emetse ka dinao, ba batla to frustrate Tautona gore maikano a gagwe a a neng a ikana ka one, a se ka a ba a diragala.
Ke e a neng a tla ka kgang ya gore go tlaabo go na le bo domestic guest house, e le gore go motlhofo fela gore o ka...(Inaudible)…o simolola ka mo o nang le gone.

Kwa magaeng go diragala eng Honourable Chairperson?

Kwa magaeng, ka fa tsamaisong e e beilweng ke Matona kwa dikhanseleng, ka Physical Committee, fa mo jarateng ya gago, o na le ntlo e e leng gore ga go na guest house, kana ntlo e potlana mo ntlong, ba tlhoka gore o bo o na le health requirement fela and comply.
Eo e tlhamaletse gore go bonwe gore a…(Inaudible)…ga e ka ke ya tsosetsa batho malwetse a e leng gore ga se one.

Go diragala eng Tona, ka kgang e gotweng o kopa gore jaanong o nne mo ntlong e gotweng ke yone… (Inaudible)… le ntlo e potlana e gotweng ke servants’ quarters?

O fitlhela e le gore gone fa, ba kopa gore go nne le change of land use.

Ke gore jaanong o tshwanetse o supe gore ke multi-residential.
Go nne le Environmental Impact Assessment (EIA), physical planner’s report, structural engineers le approval of plans.

Dilo tse are contrary mo go se Tautona a tsamaileng a raya Batswana a re le tlile go iphema le bo le itshetsa ka se le nang le sone.

Batswana e rile fa ba utlwa jaana, ba bo ba ketema ba tsena kwa dikhanseleng, ba re ba netefatse gore dilo tse di nne teng.
Jaanong go a pala gore dilo tse ba ka di bona, ba tshela ka matlo a bone, ba simolola ba hirisa, ka tsone requirements tse o itseng gore fa o 30 Hansard No 205Wednesday 16th March, 2022ORGANISATION 2000 - MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT, NATURAL RESOURCES CONSERVATION AND TOURISMCommittee of Supply bua ka EIA, o bua ka madi a a fetang le yone thaba ya Senai tota.
Mme e le gore o sa le o latlhegelwa ke tiro, o dumela gore o ka tshela ka ntlo ya gago, jaanong o ka bona batho…(Inaudible)… MR CHAIRPERSON: Did we lose you Honourable Reatile?

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Uhu!

MR CHAIRPERSON: Honourable Reatile, please unmute yourself.

O ile Mokhomma.

MR REATILE: Hello!

MR CHAIRPERSON: Honourable Reatile, please unmute yourself.

MR REATILE: Ke dirile jalo Mr Chairperson.

If I am back, I am very happy.


Ke ne ke re tsone dikgang tse Mr Chairperson, re tshwanetse re bone gore tota di a tsibogelwa.

Go se ka ga nna e kete jaanong Tautona maitlamo a gagwe, batho ba ba a swelang ke ba Umbrella for Democratic Change (UDC) kana ba opposition fela, mme a a swelwe ke one maDomkrag ka fa ene a neng a ikaeletse gore a tle go thusa setšhaba ka teng.
Dikgang tse re tshwanetse re ba bolelele gore bagaetsho, fa le na le ene, nnang le ene, mme fa le setse le kgaogane le ene, mmoleleleng gore ga le mmatle mo setilong ka gore maitlamo otlhe a a itlamileng ka one, ga le ka ke la a diragatsa, a bo a itse gore o nosi.

Ke sone se le tshwanetseng gore jaanong le se itsise ene yo o le romileng gore maitlamo a o neng o batla ditlhopho ka one, ga re ka ke ra a diragatsa re le Matona a gago.

MR MOTSAMAI: Clarification.


Ke ne ke re ka bokhutshwane rraetsho, ka fa o e tshwereng ka teng, o e tshwere sentle.

O gatelele o bo o supe le gore ke sone se o bonang Tona a tla kwa go rona, a ne a re boleletse gore o ya go sika lesika loo diphologolo le batho ba ntseng ba sa phimolwe dikeledi fa le ba jetse le go oketsa ditlhwatlhwa tsa phimolo dikeledi, mme dilo tse ga a di ame, fa e le gore o a di ama, tota o di ama go le go nnyennyane fela.

Ke a leboga.

MR REATILE: Tanki Morena wa me.


HONOURABLE MEMBER: Elucidation.

MR REATILE: Ke ne ke ntse ke feta ke ya koo, mme mongwe a re… I yield Mr Chairperson.

Ke motho yo ke ratang gore ke se ka ka tima batho.

MR CHAIRPERSON: Who are you yielding for?

Honourable Leuwe, please come up.

MR LEUWE: Thank you Mr Chairperson.


Honourable Reatile, ke ne ke re a ga o bone go le botlhokwa gore go dirwe a special dispensation ya batho ba ba batlang go dira dikgwebo tsone tsa bojanala gore go tle go repisiwe (ease) dithulaganyo tsa bone?

Ba paledisiwa ke dithulaganyo tse di thatathata gore ba kgone go dira dikgwebo tsone tseo, mme di le disha mo Batswaneng ka gore ga ba a di tlwaela.

Ke a leboga.

MR REATILE: Tanki Honourable Leuwe le Honourable Motsamai.
Dikgang di ntse jaaka le di bua batlotlegi.

Ke gone mo tota Matona a tshwanetseng gore ba thulanye ditlhogo to try and facilitate mo e neng e le toro ya ga Tautona, ba bone gore e a diragala.

Batswana ba tle ba itse gore se ba neng ba se solofeditswe se a diragala.

Kgang e nngwe e ke ka se keng ka e tlogela ke gore Tona e kile ya re gone mo Ntlong e, ka mo kopa a bo a ntsholofetsa, ke mmolelela gore kwa Sekoma re na le dilo tse di tshwanang le Sekoma Development Trust ka gore re na le lekhubu.
Dilo tsa ditso kwa bo Kokong, Kgomodikae le Mmahumalebe, dilo tse a nna a solofetsa.

Kooteng ba mmoleletse gore kwa Jwaneng- Mabutsane a se ka a tsamaela teng.

Go ne go le gontle ka gore o ne a solofetsa re le mo teng ga Ntlo, bone ba mo ikutlwetse, ba bo ba bona a ntse a sa goroge, mme ke ne ke ntse ke buile le ene.

Jaanong go molemo go ntse jalo.

Kgang e nngwe ya compensation le fetile ka yone.


Ke re Tona, a ko o bone kgang ya batho ba ba berekang mo dihoteleng, le gone fela mo Central Business District (CBD), e seng kwa makgobokgobong fela.

Bana ba rona ga go ka ke gatwe ba tlaa tshela ka di tip.

Fa go sena tip ke gore ngwana wa batho ga go na se a ka se amogelang.

Dikgang tse di ngomola pelo ka gore re tsere tshwetso ya gore re batla go bona bana ba lefatshe la Botswana, e le makgoba mo lefatsheng la borraabone le bommaabone mogolwagolwane.
A ko re emele dikgang tsa bana ba Batswana ka dinao, re ba apese seriti se se ba tshwanelang.

Re lese go lebelela bana ba Batswana, ba bogisiwa ke baditšhaba mo lefatsheng la batsadi ba bone, re bo re simolola re galaletsa baditšhaba, re ba boka, fela ka gore ba re neela sengwe.

Bagaetsho, Modimo o tlaa re bona and o tlaa re huralela.
Sa bofelo Tona, ke la ntlha go diragala gore ka fa tlase ga boeteledipele le bogogi jwa gago, re nne le motsadi wa rona wa Mosarwa a sale a tlhokafala ka December, le gompieno le ntse le mmeile mo mortuary, le gana bana ba gagwe ba ya go mo fitlha mo CKGR.

Ba ba swang 31 Hansard No 205Wednesday 16th March, 2022ORGANISATION 2000 - MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT, NATURAL RESOURCES CONSERVATION AND TOURISMCommittee of Supply morago ga gagwe, bone ba kgona gore ba ye go fitlhwa kwa CKGR.
Tota monna yo gatwe o leofile go le kae?

Ke eng o ka se ka wa bolelela Batswana Tona, ka gore Batswana ba kutlwelobotlhoko, ba ka kgona go kolekela monna yo a ntse a sule fela gore a kgone go ya go ikhutsa kwa mabitleng a batsadi ba gagwe, kwa bonnong jwa gagwe mo lefatsheng la CKGR?

Tota gatwe o leofile go le kae?

Ke la ntlha ke kopana le motsadi wa rona wa Mosarwa mo lefatsheng la Botswana, ke bona a boga a tshela, a bo a tla go boga le fa a sule tota.
Ga ke itse gore gatwe monna yo o diretse eng ministry wa gago ka gore ba khansele ba re le ka mo tsaya, gatwe no, ba ga Mma Kereng ba eme at the gate ba re ga a ka ke a ba a tsena ka CKGR.

Tota gatwe pogo e e kanakana, le tlaa re kamoso fa le opela sefela, gotwe le bapetse eng bajaki, a le tlaa re le bapetse go utlwisa botlhoko Basarwa ba CKGR?

Tota gatwe re le reye re reng?

Ao!

Modimo, wa tshwaro.

Ke a leboga Honourable Chairperson.

MR CHAIRPERSON: Thank you Honourable Reatile; le bapetse eng bajaki?
Honourable Molebatsi is back?

GOVERNMENT WHIP (MR KABLAY): A re o na le mathata a connection.

MR CHAIRPERSON: That is fine, I shall get the Honourable Assistant Minister responsible for Tertiary Education and also Honourable Member for Shoe- Shine, Honourable Lesaso.

MR KABLAY: O tlodile list ya me, sir.

Ke Honourable Pule.

MR CHAIRPERSON: Honourable Pule ga a yo mo list.

List ya gago e feletse.

MR KABLAY: Ke rometse e nngwe sir; Honourable Pule le Honourable Lelatisitswe.

MR CHAIRPERSON: Okay.


MR KABLAY: Ask your Clerks.

Honourable Lelatisitswe and Honourable Pule.

MR CHAIRPERSON: Who comes first?

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ga o rate Lesaso, Kablay.

MR CHAIRPERSON: Let us have order!

A ko o iketlele go lotlhanya batho wena.

Mokhurutshe, bua ntate; Honourable Lelatisitswe.

ASSISTANT MINISTER OF HEALTH AND WELLNESS (MR LELATISITSWE): Thank you so much Mr Chairperson.

Rre Kablay, le nna ke go rolele hutshe rra go bo o kgonne go mponela phatlha.
Santlha ke supe jalo gore ke amogela the budget ya Ministry o wa Environment.

Ke leboga fela thata gore o fiwe madi ao o ye go a dirisa.

Ke dumela jalo gore tourism ke nngwe ya lephata le rona re le lefatshe, fa re ka le godisa sentle, le ka direla Batswana ba le bantsi ditiro.

Ke supe jaana Mr Chairperson gore ke ya go bua thata ka dikgang tsa diphologolo tse di fitlhelwang mo dikgaolong tsa rona.
Ke tswa mo kgaolong ya Boteti East e e leng gore mo go goleng ga rona, re ne re sa itse diphologolo tse di tshwanang le ditlou.

Ke supe jaana gore kgang e ke e buile le mo nakong e e fetileng, ke leka go supegetsa Minister jaana gore ditlou jaanong fa o tsaya metse ya rona e e tshwanang le Mosu, Mmatshumo, Mokubilo, Makgaba le Mmea, batho ba teng gompieno, ke bahumanegi.

Ke bahumanegi ka ntata ya tsone ditlou, di fudusitse batho kwa masimo.
Ke kopile gore ditlou tse re tshwanetse re bone tsela nngwe e re ka di busetsang ka yone kwa Kasane kwa di tswang teng.

Re le batho ba Boteti, diphologolo tse re ne re sa di itse.

Jaanong di fudugetse kwa, di nna kwa masimong a batho, di nna fela moo.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification.

MR LELATISITSWE: Gompieno ga go na ope yo o kgonang go lema, mme batho ba rona ba tshela ka go lema… MINISTER OF EMPLOYMENT, LABOUR PRODUCTIVITY AND SKILLS DEVELOPMENT (MR SHAMUKUNI): Clarification Mr Chairperson.
Fa o re ditlou tse di ntshiwe kwa Boteti di busetswe Kasane ka gore di humanegisa batho ba Boteti, o batla di ya go humanegisa bomang?

HONOURABLE MEMBERS: ...(Laughter!)...

MR LELATISITSWE: Ke ne ke re kwa Kasane go na le game parks tse di tonatona, e bile batho benefit mo go tsone.

Rona mo Boteti we cannot benefit mo ditloung ka gore ga re na game parks mo dikgaolong tse ke buang ka tsone.
Tona, ke kopile gore go tswa kwa terateng ya Orapa go feta ka motse wa Mmatshumo, go a go tsena mo Mosu, go a go feta ka laene ya Makgaba, re na le lekgadikgadi le le tona thata.

Ke dumela gore along this area re ka dira game.

Re neela batho licences tsa diphologolo go dira game parks.

Re kganelela diphologolo tse kwa Makgadikgading ka gore tota go tla ka kwano di tla go tlhakatlhakana le rona, go re humanegisitse.
32 Hansard No 205Wednesday 16th March, 2022ORGANISATION 2000 - MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT, NATURAL RESOURCES CONSERVATION AND TOURISMCommittee of Supply Batho ba lephata la gago ga ba na dikoloi.

Fa ditlou gompieno di senyetsa motho tshimo, nako ya fa lephata le goroga, e bile tshenyo ele ga e sa tlhole e bonala.

O fitlhela batho ba senyegelwa tota.

O fitlhela di katela didiba ka letlhoko la metsi, di thuba dijojo mo masimo.

Batho ba kgaolo ya Boteti ba a iteka fela thata.


Kgang e, ke nngwe ya tse e leng gore go a tlhokagala gore lephata la gago le eme ka dinao.

Di senya sengwe le sengwe.

Di katela didiba, di kgaola diterata tsa dipolase, di bulela dikgomo tsa batho.

Dikgomo di bo di felela di tsamaya.

Fa o tla ga o ka ke wa atlhola Goromente gore ditlou di kgaotse polase, dikgomo tsa me di tsamaile.

Ke dumela gore ke dikgang tse lephata le tshwanetseng le eme ka dinao le di lebelele.
Office ya rona ya compensation; madi a a thusang batho a tsena morago ga lebaka le le leele.

Ba a supa gore officers tsa gago di kwa tlase fela thata mo kgaolong e ya rona e. Tona, o lebelele dintlha tse.

Mma ke supe jaana gore kwa mafatsheng a a tshwanang le Kenya, diphologolo tse di tshwanang le ditlou di a tshwarwa, di rutiwa gore di direle batho madi.

Nako e gorogile gore diphologolo tse jaaka ke bua, kwa mafelong a tsone re simolole to tame them so that we attract bojanala jo bontsi.
Mo kgaolong ya rona ya Boteti jaaka ke bua gore go tswa kwa Orapa go feta ka Mmatshumo, Mosu go ya kwa, go na le makgadikgadi.

Fa re ka di epela metsi kwa teng ga makgadikgadi, re ka bona diphologolo di felela gone koo.

Kgang e, e letshwenyo thata mo kgaolong e. Bojanala jaaka re bua, a re bo rotloetseng.

A e nne wena yo o ka sireletsang Batswana mo kgannyeng ya bojanala.

A dikompone tse di tona tse di fitlhelwang mo dikgaolong tsa rona, di se ka tsa nna le hotels.
Batswana ba tsere loans kwa Citizen Entrepreneurial Development Agency (CEDA).

Ba tshwanetse ba sirelediwe ke Goromente.

Goromente o sireletsa batho ba gagwe.

Fa re bona dikompone tsa moepo tse di tona di na le hotels jaana, go a tshwenya fela thata.

Ke dumela gore batho ba tshwanetse ba rotloediwe go dirisa hotels tsa batho ba ba mo kgaolong.

Re bona dikompone tsa moepo di dira mo gotweng fa batho ba tlile go dira ditiro mo moepong, ba nne teng.
Dilo tseo di ne di dirwa bogologolo, Batswana ba sena itsholelo e e kalo e e ka dirang accommodation.

Gompieno Batswana ba na le itsholelo.

Dikompone tse di tona le se ka la di neela licences tsa to operate camping areas, batho ba theogela letsatsi le letsatsi ba tswa koo.

O fitlhela di tswa kwa mafatsheng a sele, quoted a tender ya madi a a gakgamatsang ba tsentse accommodation mo teng, fa ba tsena kwa ba fiwa boroko jwa mahala jwa P20 ka letsatsi.

Ke dilo tse re di bonang kwa kgaolong ya Boteti.


O fitlhela batho ba ba nang le tourism resorts mo kgaolong, ba sokola mme ba duela loans tsa CEDA.

Jaanong dikgang tse, o tshwanetse o di tsenye leitlho go ya kwa pele.

Dikgang tse dingwe ke tsa banana mo bojanaleng.

Boteti is an area e e leng gore diteemane le bojanala di kwa godimo.

Ke dumela gore ke nako ya gore dikgang tse di amang thuto ya tsa bojanala tsa tourism, di tsene mo brigade jwa Boteti.

Kamoso bojanala bo nne teng.


Banana ba le bantsi mo kgaolong ya rona ba kgona go ithutela dikgang tsa bojanala.

Game drives tse di dirwang, go na le courses tse di feletseng tse di lebaganeng le bojanala.

E le ka fa re godisang bojanala mo kgaolong e ya Boteti ka teng.

Mo ga diteemane jaaka re bona mafatshe a mangwe a simolotse go dira synthetic diamonds, ga se mo re ka itshwarelelang ka gone lebaka le le leele.

Bojanala jone re ka tswelela re bo godisa.


A ko o tshwaragane gape le ba Ministry of Transport le bone gore re tlhabolola ditsela tse di tsamaelang kwa bojanaleng.

Motse wa Mmatshumo go tswa mo go one go ya kwa Nata, ke tsela e e gaufi thata.

Fa tsela e e ka dirwa, re e tshwaraganetse le gore the whole idea is to develop bojanala mo kgaolong ya Boteti, le fa o tswa kwa Kasane ga go tlhokagale gore o ye kwa Francistown, o tlaabo o tswa mo Nata o wela mo Mmatshumo, o bo o wela mo Letlhakane.
Mo tseleng mo, e le bojanala jo bo gakgamatsang.

O a itse gore go tlhola go nna le bojanala jwa difofane jo bo tlholang bo dirwa ka koo, le jone a bo boele.

Malatsing a, ga re itse gore bo timeletse fa kae.

Bo ne bo godisa itsholelo ya Batswana ba ba fitlhelwang mo kgaolong ya Mmatshumo le Mosu.

Re ne re bona ba tsamaya ba ya koo, ba ya go rekisa tse ba nang le tsone.

Trusts tsa rona di gola ka bokete jo bo kalo.

Mma ke go eme nokeng.


Ke batla go latlhela go le kalo gore diphologolo di humanegisa batho mo kgaolong ya Boteti, tsenya letsogo ka koo.

Ke a leboga.

MR CHAIRPERSON: Honourable Assistant Minister Pule, I have got eight minutes for you.

OF MINISTER ASSISTANT LOCAL GOVERNMENT AND RURAL DEVELOPMENT (MR PULE): Ke a leboga mongwame.

Ke a leboga Modulasetilo.


Modulasetilo, mma ke tseye sebaka se go ema nokeng Tona Kereng ka kopo ya gagwe ya madi 33 Hansard No 205Wednesday 16th March, 2022ORGANISATION 2000 - MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT, NATURAL RESOURCES CONSERVATION AND TOURISMCommittee of Supply a a batlang gore a tle a tlhabolole lephata la gagwe.

Jaaka Honourable Nkawana a ne a bua, ke galala madi a.
A mannye fela thata ke lebeletse ditiro tse Motlotlegi Kereng a tshwanetseng go di dira mo lefatsheng la Botswana ka bophara, bogolo jang kwa dikgaolong tse di tshwanang le tsa rona tsa Mochudi East.

Re lebeletse ka matlho a mashibidu gore ke dingwe tsa dikgaolo tse di ka tlhabololang tourism mo lefatsheng la Botswana.

Re a itse gore dikgwebo tsa tourism di di tona mo lefatsheng la Botswana, di latelela thekiso ya diteemane.
Ke rata go kopa motlotlegi gore a palele kwa kgaolong ya Mochudi East fa a batla go bona mo gotweng low- hanging fruits.

A palele kwa Mochudi East ka gore e a bonala fela.

Mongwe le mongwe o a lemoga gore tota kgaolo e, fa re ka e tlhabolola, gongwe re ka felela re na le Kasane o mongwe kwa South of Botswana.

Ke gakolole Tona gore kana o ntsholofeditse fela thata gore kgaolo ya me ke nngwe ya dikgaolo tse a nang le kgatlhego ya go di tlhabolola gore e nne dikgaolo tsa bojanala mo lefatsheng la Botswana.
Modulasetilo, nako nngwe ke kile ka tsaya Tona ka mo isa kwa kgaolong ra ya go boa kwa Oliphant’s Drift, a feta a bona noka ya Limpopo ka fa e leng tona ka teng.

Dikwena le dikubu tse di neng di le mo teng, ke na le tumelo e e tletseng gore bajanala ba batla go bona diphologolo tsa go nna jalo, bogolo jang mo kgaolong ya Kgatleng.
Se ke ratang thata go se gatelela mo letsatsing la gompieno Modulasetilo ke gore CBNRM Committees di a tlhokafala thata mo kgaolong ya rona ya Kgatleng ka gore ke tsone tse ke lemogang gore fa re ka di sala morago, re tlaa felela re kgonne to achieve se re batlang go se achieve.

Motlotlegi Letsholo kgantejana fa a akgela, o ne a quote mafoko a le nna tota ke neng ke setse ke a nopotse.
Ke ka se ka ka a boelela ka gore o ne a tlhalosa thata gore mafoko a teng a ne a tlama Tona gore o batla gore a atolose tourism jaaka e le gore o a itse gore fa e atolotswe, e tsenya dilo tsa setso, cultural festivals le dikgang tse di buang le agro-tourism tse di neng di buiwa ke Honourable Mmolotsi.
Fa re ka dira jalo ra diversify tourism, obviously re ya go bona dipoelo fela tse di kwa godimo, mme e bile infrastructure e re ntseng re bua ka yone re re e a tlhaela mo lefatsheng la Botswana, re ka felela re e tlhabolotse ka madi a tourism.

Dingwe tsa dilo tse re di solofetseng fa tourism e tlhabolola dikgaolo tsa rona, ke gone go aga ditsela Modulasetilo.

Ka fa go ntseng ka teng, mafoko a a neng a buiwa ke Tona a gore tota o batla to diversify tourism, ke mafoko a mantle fela thata Mr Chairperson.
Re a eletsa gore go ka nna jalo le rona ra mo ema nokeng.

Ke kgatlhilwe thata ke lenaneo la keeping of game in masimo.

Ke bone forms tsa teng Tona.

Ke a go akgola because ga ke ise ke bone forms tse di motlhofo tse di tshwanang le tseo.

Kana fa o ka ela tlhoko, gantsi Batswana fa o bona ba palelwa ke gore ba itlhabolole, o fitlhela ba na le dilo dingwe tse di dirwang tse di batliwang ke Puso di le thata, bogolo jang forms.
Forms tseo di supagala gore di dirilwe ke batho ba itse gore di ya go tladiwa ke Batswana and ga re a lebelela gore re tshwanetse gore Motswana o tlatsa forms tsa go nna jalo e bo e le motho yo o tseneng sekole sa maemo a a kwa godimo.
So, forms tseo ka fa di ntseng ka teng, di tlhamaletse mme e bile re ne re eletsa gore se le ka se dirang Tona, ke gore bana ba gago ba tswele kwa dikgaolong go bontsha batho bao lenaneo le le guidelines tsa teng gore re kgone go dirisa lenaneo le o le ntshitseng la go ya go baya diphologolo tsa naga kwa masimong.

Le nkgatlha ka gore le tshimo o ka e adima.

Ga go tlhokane le gore o bo o na le tshimo ya gago.
Golo mo go ne go supa tota gore Tona o tlhwaafetse, o batla gore go nne le lenaneo le la go rua diphologolo tsa naga mo masimong.

Kgang e nngwe e ke neng ke batla go bua ka yone Tona ke re, ke bone lenaneo la gago la events; ditiragalo tse di diragalang mo lefatsheng la Botswana.

Ke batla go dumela gore ga se gore o tswetse the way you have listed, o santse o na le sebaka sa gore kana ba bangwe ba na le megopolo e mešha.
Re lebeletse gore ngwaga wa madi wa lefatshe la Botswana o simolola ka April, ba ka tla ba tsenya dilo dingwe tse ba batlang di dirwa kana mo gotweng ke events jaaka re bone gore dikgaolo tse dingwe ba rulagantse events tsa bone.

Le rona re batla go bona re na le events tsa rona kwa Mochudi East tse e leng gore kwa bofelong fa re ka kgona go di dira, re ka di tsweledisa ngwaga le ngwaga tsa re tsenyetsa letseno.
Tota mafoko a ke batlang go wela ka one Tona ke gore if we can work very hard together to promote tourism, I am telling you, we are going to create ditiro tse dintsi, bogolo jang mo bananeng.

Ke ne ke rata thata gore focus ya gago e nne mo bananeng ka gore re a bona gore ba boi, ga ba batle go tsena mo mananeong mangwe, mme fa re ka a dira motlhofo, jaaka ke bona o simolotse, re ka kgona kwa bofelong gore re tsenye mananeo ka dipalo tse di kwa godimo.
34 Hansard No 205Wednesday 16th March, 2022ORGANISATION 2000 - MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT, NATURAL RESOURCES CONSERVATION AND TOURISMCommittee of Supply Ke ne ke re ka mafoko a a kalo, ga ke batle go tsamaya lolololo Tona ke re ke go eme nokeng ka tse tsotlhe e bile ke a itse gore nna le wena re a tsamaisana, ga gona bothata bope, se re tshwanetseng go se dira fela ke go tswelelapele mosepele wa rona o wele kwa re tlaa felelang re isitse lefatshe mo legatong le le latelang.

Ke a leboga Modulasetilo.


MR CHAIRPERSON: Tanki Rraagwe Neo.

Tanki Mokgatla.

Honourable Minister, please respond to the debate.

MINISTER OF ENVIRONMENT, NATURAL RESOURCES CONSERVATION AND TOURISM (MS KERENG): Ke a leboga Modulasetilo.

Mma ke reply ke re ka nnete re a tsamaisana, le ba le sa kgonang go akgela, re a tsamaisana, re tlaa nna mmogo.

Mr Chairperson, ka bokhutshwane fela, ke tlile go taboga le dikakgelo tsa batlotlegi.

Ke ba itumelele, ke bo ke amogele jaaka ba re akgola.
O mphokoleditse nako Mr Chairperson, 19 minutes fela.

Re dumalana ka gore lephata le dira mo go utlwalang.

MR CHAIRPERSON: Mme ke yone e ke e dumalaneng nao.

MS KERENG: Nnyaa Mr Chairperson.

Jaanong 25... MR CHAIRPERSON: Nnyaa, baakanya Honourable Minister.

tswelela re tlaa MS KERENG: Yes, I know my rights.

Thank you Mr Chairperson.


Ke itumelela dikakgelo Mr Chairperson, gore ba bo ba lemoga gore tota re leka go diragatsa maitlamo a Puso ya rona jaaka re batla go tlisa ditlhabololo kwa Batswaneng, re bo re ba bulele mo mohameng wa tshomarelo tikologo le bojanala.

Ba lemoga seabe sa Puso, ba lemoga jaaka re diragatsa se re se solofeditseng e bile ba tshwaela ba ntse ba gakolola, ba supa gore tota re ka thusana, ra tshwaraganela mmogo go ya go fetlhisa ditsholofetso tse.
Mr Chairperson, ke tlaa taboga le tsone ka bongwe ka bongwe.

Ke eletsa go dira jalo le fa tse dingwe di tlaabo di soboka ka gore ba di buile ba le mmalwanyana.

Ke simolole fela ka motlotlegi yo o sa tswang go fetsa, Rre Pule.

O bua gore madi ga a lekana.

Madi a manyennyane, madi a Puso ga a ise a lekane sepe, mme fa ke ne ke simolola, ke ne ka supa gore re na le development partners kana batsayakarolo ba ba tswang kgakala ba ntse ba re thusa.
Lemmenyana la rona le kgaotswe ka ntlha ya gore tota madi a mantsi a ile kwa go lwantsheng mogare le go sireletsa setšhaba jalo go ya ka fa Motlotlegi Tona wa Madi a neng a supa ka teng.
Le fa go ntse jalo, re se nne fela re re re tlaa se ke re dire dilo ka gore madi ga a yo, re tlile go nna re lebeletse gore mo matloleng le mo dithusong tse re di tsayang kana tse re di bonang mo go ba ba re thusang, re tswelele re ntse re dira jalo go supa motlhala o o re thusang wa development partners ba re tshwaraganang le bone.

Mo godimo ga moo Mr Chairperson, kana lenaneo le la rona la the National Environmental Fund (NEF), ke lone le le re thusang.
Ga re ka ke ra re re ka simolola ra ya go raya community trusts kana ba re ba thusang ka madi a re re simolotse mme re tlaa ema ka ntlha ya gore madi a Puso ga a yo.

Letlole le le na le madi a a lekaneng gore re ka dira se re se itlamileng Mr Chairperson.

Ka kwa kgaolong rra, ee, ke nnete re tswa go boa kwa bo Oliphant, mme e bile go boammaaruri gore ga se gore re tswetse fa re dirile calendar of events Motlotlegi Pule.
Re a bo re supa gore tse re setseng re bone gore lephata le ka di tsamaisa le tse dikopo di tseneng kwa go rona ra di sekaseka ra bona gore re ka thusana le beng ba ditiragalo tseo kana events tseo, re nne re tsweletse re tshwaragane le bone kana re atle thulaganyo ya go nna jalo.

Go raya gore ga re a re le se ka la tswelela le dira dithulaganyo tseo.
Ba ba batlang to host events ba ka di dira, ra ba thusa, ra ba fa maele, ra ba gakolola, ra ba thusa fa re kgonang teng e bile gape ba re laletse motlotlegi.
Tourism diversification; ke yone eo ya gore kana fa re bua ka gore re e godise, ke gone mo re go dirang fa re bua ka matamo le culture jaaka ke ne ke bua gore le one mokete o mogolo o wa culture o re tlileng go nna le one ka September, re tlaabo re ntse re batla go tla go supa gore letseno la madi le le tlhwaafetseng le ka tswa mo go atolosetseng bojanala kwa go tsa culture.

O itumeletse ka fa le dirileng lenaneo la rona motlhofo la go rua diphologolo mo masimong.
Ke arabe Motlotlegi Reatile ka kakgelo ya gago o re form eo e botoka.

Mma ke arabe Rre Nkawana fa a ne a re re tlaabo re dira dilo thata, Environmental Impact Assessment (EIA), go nna bokete, go reng, ke supa gore nnyaa, ga go na se re ka se ikemisetsang re le lephata re le Puso gore re bo re solofetsa Batswana re bo re boa re boela kwa go bone re ba raya re re kana re thatafatsa dilo go sena lebaka.

Ke re ka boammaaruri dilo di motlhofo ka tsela e e ntseng jalo.
Mo CBNRM Committees, di ya go tsosolosa bo Village Development Committee (VDCs), ba kgone gore ba re tshwarele mananeo a re a tsamaise.

Ke a leboga.

35 Hansard No 205Wednesday 16th March, 2022ORGANISATION 2000 - MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT, NATURAL RESOURCES CONSERVATION AND TOURISMCommittee of Supply Rre Lelatisitswe, ke a leboga.

Fa o re fuduse diphologolo ga di na mosola, go raya gore ga o ise o re utlwe fa re supa gore re batla go oketsa kitso ya bomosola jwa diphologolo mo go ba ba tshelang le tsone.
Selo sa ntlha diphologolo tse di tshwenyang kana problem animals, motho a se ka a re, “ke senyeditswe ke phologolo e ke e bolaile,” a bo a tswa a sa tshola le fa e le sepe.

Ra re, for problem animals re batla gore motho le fa a bolaile phologolo eo mme gone a kgone gore a e rekisetse lephata ka thulaganyo e e tlaabong e le maleba.

ka tsela e e ntseng jang.


Bokopano le dipuisanyo tse ke tsone tse di re thusang gore re kgone go bona gore tota fela dikgang tse di amang dikgaolo re ka di diragatsa ka tsela e e ntseng jang Mr Chairperson.

Ke re re tla bereka mmogo.

Epic rra; kana events ke tseo calendar e dule, o ko o e lebelele o bone gore mo teng go na le ditiragalo dife tsa kwa kgaolong tse re tshwanetseng go itshwaraganya le tsone.
Le e ya ditlou e le yone ka special hunting quota re e tsholeditse gore go tle go diragatswe quotas tse, go tsomiwe ditlou tse gore go tle go nne le letseno la madi.

Go tlhoka dikoloi ke boammaaruri, mme kana gone go le letlhoko la dikoloi le le golo pele fa re reka dikoloi mo ngwageng o o ntseng o feta o.

Re rekile dikoloi fela di le dintsi, ke dumela gore dithulaganyo tsa rona tsa go tsibogela mathata a go tshwenngwa ke diphologolo a ntse a a fokotsega.
Se ke tlileng go se dira ke go tlhodumela gore, mo dikoloing tse di mmalwa tse re di rekileng, a ka kwa kgaolong ya gago ga gona e e setseng e gorogile.

A ditirelo ga di ise di nne botoka.

Le kgang tsa go epa didiba re epela diphologolo, ke lenaneo le re le dirang.

Mme gore re bo re re re di kobe, a re lebeleleng gore re ka diragatsa dikgang tsa bo go aga terata, le tsa didiba ka tsela e e ntseng jalo.
Banana go leka go tsamaisa bojanala jo bo godileng kwa kgaolong; ke atla dikakgelo tsa gago motlotlegi.

Ke re tota wena e bile re tshwanetse ra kopana mo nakong e khutshwane go ya go bona gore re ka dira jang, jaaka re batla go atolosa the Makgadikgadi Heritage Trail, the value chains tsa tourism tse re di dirang, le gore re tsere tourism e le yone flagship project, re tlaabo re bulela tota Batswana.
E bile gape re rulagantse pitso ya bojanala e e tlileng go tla e tlhotlha dilo tse re bo re lebelela gore kgaolo le kgaolo a ba ka se ke ba itirele mo e leng mini pitso ya bone, gore re utlwile gore policy e ntsha e ya kae, mme policy e rona re le mo kgaolong ya Letlhakane re ka e tsamaisa ka tsela e e ntseng jang.

Ditshono di kae, Batswana ba kae, business tse di leng teng ke eng, di tlhoka eng?
Mo malobanyaneng fela mo bekeng di se kae tse di fetileng, ke ne ke na le meeting wa badiragatsi kana batsayakarolo ba tourism, ke ba tsere ka groups tsa bone, tour operators ka go farologana, ba dihotele jalo, le bone ba ba dirang bookings kana ba ba rekisang bojanala.

Re tla go ba utlwa gore, tota la re re ka le thusa Rre Nkawana, wa re a go na le Batswana ba ba nang le dihotele ka kwa di concession?

Ba teng rra, o iphe sebaka o ba tle gore o itse.


Kana e bile fa re re re bulela Batswana re a bo re lebile gore go ka kgonega gore Batswana...(Interruptions)… HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible) … MS KERENG: O se ka wa ntsosetsa modumo pele.

Ba teng ba ba nang le dikgwebo tsa go nna jalo.

Le wena o ntse o le mo teng rra, kana le wena o mogwebi yo o akolang tota mo bojanaleng ka kwa campsites.
O ka bo o re thusa gore bana ba bangwe le bone ba tsene, gongwe le banana o ba rotloetse gore le bone ba je maungo rra a o sa leng o a ja ka lebaka le le leele.

Ka kwa Thune ka kwa re rile re ya go neela communities tse di gaufi le matamo a … HONOURABLE MEMBER: O a reng o kare o jalasetsa yo mongwe jaana.

MS KERENG: Ga ke jealous, Nkawana ke yo ga a batle gore le utlwe se a se utlwang.

Ka kwa bo Thune rra matamo a re batla go a bulela … O batla elucidation Honourable Shamukuni.
HONOURABLE MEMBER: Nnyaa ke ne ke re sephiri se dule mo go Honourable Nkawana….

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ga se sephiri, o raya sephiri sa eng, le e ja mafatshe at the delta?

MS KERENG: Ba ja mafatshe kwa.

jaanong re batla go bulela citizen owned companies, e le Batswana ka kwa matamong.

O ne o re gongwe re tlaabo re lebile trusts fela e re bo re sa lebelele ba e leng go ke … (interruptions)… ra re 100 per cent citizen owned companies.

Re tlaabo re di lebeletse ka tsela e e ntseng jalo.
O ne o re, tota fela mme mosola wa Dubai Expo mo go rona ke eng?

Dubai Expo ke dumela gore go tlaa tla go nna le dipego fela tse di maleba, kana ba bangwe ba santse bale ka koo.

E bile e a wela jaana kgwedi e e fela.

36 Hansard No 205Wednesday 16th March, 2022ORGANISATION 2000 - MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT, NATURAL RESOURCES CONSERVATION AND TOURISMCommittee of Supply Mo go rona mo bojanaleng re kgonne go rekisa lefatshe, re bone bajanala ba ba kgatlhegetseng go tla ka kwano.
Re kgonne gore go diragalwe gore re kgone go dirisa bo CNN ba re tsenyetse mananeo a rona, lefatshe la rona ba le rekisa ka kwa.

E bile ke dumela gore United Arab Emirates market wa kgaolo eo, ba re amogetse jaaka le ne le bona le fa Tautona a le kwa a rekisa lefatshe, gore kamogelo ya teng ke e e kwa godimo.

Bagwedi ba ba bagolo ba kwa kgaolo ya Arab Emirates ba kgatlhegetse go tla go re thusa go ka tsenya letseno le to invest mo bojanaleng jwa Botswana.
Go tlhabolola dikaka tsa rona jaaka re itse gore Dubai ke sekaka fela se se maswe go gaisa sa rona ka tlholego, mme ba kgonne go dira ditoropo tse dintle tse di tshwanang le bo Dubai.

Bagwebi ba ke bone ba ba tlileng go tla kwano for the tourism investment forum e re tlaabong re e tshwere mo ngwageng ono, ba tla go re tlhabololela dikaka tsa rona.

Maduo a teng a Dubai rra, re a a itumelela.


Community trust budget e small; ke rile re tlaa kgona go dirisa National Environment Fund, Conservation Trust Fund, bo plastic levy jaana, ke one mananeo that targeted community based projects.

e ntseng jalo.

O se ka wa tla kwano o tla go botsa o ise o tlhotlhe gore mme gone kwa kgaolong go diragala eng…(interruptions)…Kana dikhansele tsone tota o a di tsena rra.

Clean Phikwe - ke lebogela gore Phikwe o phepha.


Re ne re tswa mo pitsong ya matlakala pitso e e supang gore tota the local authority, dikhansele, ba na le boikarabelo jwa go bo bona gore tota ditikologo tsa ditoropo tsa rona di phepha.

Le kwa Jwaneng re ne re ba akgola re bona e le batho ba ba tshwereng ka bokgabane thulaganyo ya go phepafatsa ditoropo.
Re tlaa tla go lebelela gore mme gone strategy sa Phikwe ke se fe se se ka thusang dikhansele go ya ka se re se dumalaneng kwa Pitsong ya rona ya matlakala.

A re fa ba Dubai ba re kopetse diphologolo go raya gore ke nna ke di rekisitseng.

O a bo o simolola, ga o itse gore golo mo go simolotse leng, o tlaa tloga o tshwara molato mo Palamenteng e. HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ke ne ke bua ka Goromente wa Botswana, Party ya Domkrag.

A re kwa Phikwe ga re ise re tsene, o ne o ntshepha.
Rra ke ne ke ile Phikwe, ke tswa go bua kwa Phikwe ka tourism ka 2020 ka June, o seo.

Re bua le ba council le SPEDU gore, tota mo Phikwe, bojanala re ka bo dira ka tsela e e ntseng jang.

Re feletse e le gore … MS KERENG: Mme kana yone e e tshwana fela le … (Inaudible)… diamonds tse di tlaa nnang di ntse di le teng, ka gore fa ba se ba tla kwano ba bona selo ba se dira, se se leng teng ke gore re rekisa jang ga rona mo e seng ga maitirelo.
HONOURABLE MEMBER: Kante ke eng o tla kwa dikgaolong tsa rona re seo?

Nako tsotlhe o a re, “ga re yo!

ga re yo!” HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… MR SHAMUKUNI: On a point of clarification.

Nako e go neng gotwe lefatshe la Botswana le ne le rekisa diphologolo go na kwa mafatsheng a bo Dubai ao, a o a gakologelwa gore Rre Nkawana e ne e le Director wa Department of Wildlife and National Parks?

MS KERENG: Nnyaa iketleng pele, o ne o seyo le wena, ga le bereke.
Mme re ne ra dumalana gore they should profile …(Interruptions!)

… HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ga ke ise ke ko ke nne Director, o mpega maemo a ke iseng ke a tshware.

Ga ke ise ke ko ke nne Director, o a nkgolega.

MR CHAIRPERSON: Order!

Give the Minister a chance Honourable Members.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: She is totally out of order Mr Chairperson.

MR CHAIRPERSON: Order!

Honourable member for Sefhare-Ramokgonami give the Minister a chance.

MS KERENG: Yo ke mo arabang ene ka o batla go ithuta o bo a ntheeditseng.
Re bo re dumalana gore we should profile potential tourism sites le activities tse di ka tsenang mo value chain ka SPEDU.

O ka bo o re thusa gore tota go tsamaile fa kae ka thulaganyo e MS KERENG: …(Inaudible)…tse di diragetseng koo e le mogolwane wa lephata mo gompienong jaana a jang maungo le maphutso ya go itse ka…(Inaudible)… ditlhabololo tsa teng.

Ke nako e re ka bong re botsa Rre Nkawana gore ba dirile jang ka nako eo.
Go na le potso e e boditsweng, mme ke utlwa e tsamaelana le ya ga Honourable Matsheka, mme di tlhaga ntlha tse di farologanyeng.

Honourable Nkawana a re, a mme high cost- low volume, Batswana ba sa kgone gore ba ka etela mafelo a rona a gotweng a a tura, tota go ka dirwa ka tsela e e ntseng jang.
Ke re, kana le yone low volume- high cost e is a model e e 37 Hansard No 205Wednesday 16th March, 2022ORGANISATION 2000 - MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT, NATURAL RESOURCES CONSERVATION AND TOURISMCommittee of Supply ntseng e re berekela.

Ga re batle gore re bo re re fela ka gore Batswana gongwe ga ba kgone go ya re tlaa e latlha, mme e na le market segment wa yone o o re tsenyetsang letseno.
Se re ka se buang ke gore, how can we balance gore re lekalekanye gore low volume- high value di tsamaisane jang le low value- high income.

Bagaetsho kwa bo…(Inaudible)…yone low volume le fa e bereka, mme go na le fa e nang le ditlamorago tse e leng gore ga di re berekele.
Model wa rona wa gore batho ba batla go tla go bona diphologolo in their natural setting, o kgona go akanyentsa gore kana go raya gore re se ka ra kgoreletsa thata diphologolo tse mo bodulong jwa tsone jwa letsatsi le letsatsi mo go katlhisang bajanala.

Mme gape re ntse re batla go oketsa gore Batswana ba nne le seabe, ke fa re a bua gore kwa bo Chobe National Park re ntse re ya go ntsha concessions kana mafelo, gore Batswana ba tsene.

Re ya go ntsha kwa Okavango Delta.


Re setse re ntshitse campsites kwa Central Kalahari Game Reserve (CKGR), Kgalagadi Transfrontier Park (KTP) le kwa national parks tse dingwe.

Re leka go tsamaisa dilo tse mmogo, re se ka ra tloga ra latlhegelwa ke letseno.

Honourable Shamukuni o supa gore o lebogela budgets tsa rona; re a di berekisa rra, re a di dirisa ka bo 90 per cent.

Go supa gore tota ga re tseye madi a fela re sa a dirise.
Trip ya gago ya London e bile o bua ka Batswana ba ba dirang mo mohameng o ba ba sa tseweng sentle ka dituelo, meuputso le mabaka a tiro.

Ke itumelela gore o bua a le kwa ministry oo gore re tle re tshwaragane jaaka re setse re dumalane gore dikgang tsa babereki; decent work programme re e phutholola jang go e tsenya mo tirisong.

Bone ba ba kwa ntle ba ba ba emetseng, re ka engage jang botoka.

Ke nngwe ya dikgang tse re tlileng go di bua ka bophara kwa Tourism Pitso e e tlileng go tla ka bonako.
Gape yone policy ya rona e e tlhabolotsweng e, ya rialo ya re re lebelele dilo tse ka tsone re ka lekang go tswala diphatlha tse di mo tourism.

Ke fete ka bokhutshwane ka yone ya leakages ka gore re bua thata ka policy eo; the main objective e papametse fela e re go tswala, go dutla ga madi jaaka e le gore Batswana book kwa ntle.
Le tsone travelling agencies fa ke na le bone mo bogautshwaneng, ba ne ba supa gore ba amogela gore ba tshwanetse go ipapana, ba ithute, ba bo ba ithulaganya gore se re batlang ba se dira se se dirwang ke ba ba ka mafatsheng, ba se tseye se le motlhofo ka dikitso le bokgoni jo bo lekanetseng.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification.

MS KERENG: E tlaa re fa re buisana ka Tourism Pitso, re bo re itebagantse le gore strategically and practically, re tlile go tsamaisa ka tsela e e ntseng jang.
A ke tseye go le gobedi ke tlaa tla ke go neela.

Kazungula redevelopment; ke nnete rra re ya go ntsha lefatshe ka this redevelopment.

Tourism value chains di tlaa tswa ka mmetela gone foo, go raya gore nna le wena re bone gore re ipapana jang go thusa Small Medium Enterprises (SMEs), even the informal sector gore ba kgone go tsena.

Jaaka o supa gore fa le dira events tsa bo marathon jaana, re bo re kgona go supa gore ba mo gae ba bone letseno le le botoka.
Event calendar e ke neng ke bua ka yone, mo go yone re papametse gore fa jaaka re ya Khawa jaana, ditirelo dingwe re di seegetse batho ba Khawa le communities tse di gaufi tseo.

Ga gona motho yo mongwe yo o tlileng go di dira a tswa kwa ntle.

Ke tsone value chains le gone gore re diragatse go sireletsa Batswana mo kgwebong.

Ke tlaa tsaya ka bokhutshwane the clarification from the Honourable Member mme ga ke itse gore ke mang.
MINISTER OF YOUTH EMPOWERMENT, SPORT AND CULTURE DEVELOPMENT (MR RAKGARE): Clarification.

Thank you very much.

Minister, e ke kopa re e tseye ka bonya; go ntse go na le dingongora fa tse di genuine di le maleba gore Batswana ga ba mo mohameng wa bojanala.

Concessions tse 41 tse re buang ka tsone kwa Kasane, go ka pala eng Mme Kereng gore re re tse re di neela Batswana?
E se ka ya nna kgang ya Trusts fela tsa banana le bomme, re re tse we have business people mo Botswana ba ba mo tourism industry, ba bangwe ba se mo go yone.

Re tshwanetse re tlhamalale fela re re semangmang ke yo ke Motswana, he has proven himself gore o kgona go dira kgwebo ka gore re sure fa re neetse bone ba gore madi a lefatshe la Botswana a tlile go nna mo Botswana, ba tlile go hira bana ba rona, lefatshe la rona le tlile go tlhabologa.
Re tswe mo bathong basweu ba ba re jetseng lefatshe ba re senyetsa Honourable Minister.

Ke a kgopisega fa ke re ke akanya batho basweu ba ba re jelang madi.

Ke a leboga.

MS KERENG: Ke a leboga Honourable Rakgare.

Kana… HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)... MS KERENG: Ga le a mo utlwa o botsa nna, mma ke arabe.
38 Hansard No 205Wednesday 16th March, 2022ORGANISATION 2000 - MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT, NATURAL RESOURCES CONSERVATION AND TOURISMCommittee of Supply HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)... MS KERENG: Ke a leboga Honourable Rakgare.

Kana ditsha tse, go tshwana le tsone tsa matamo le tsa camp sites, fa re di ntsha re a bo re sa le jaaka re buile le mo press releases.
Re a bo re ntsha le mekwalo e e reng ikopeleng, e papametse fela kwa tshimologong e re ditsha tse re di lebisitse e bile ditshwanelo mo go tsone ke 100 per cent citizen owned companies.

Re clear ka gone moo, ga se mo gotweng re neela gore mongwe le mongwe o ka tsena, kgantele re bo re kgaphetse batho kwa ntle.
Kgang e o e buang mo godimo ga moo ya gore fa re bona gore motho ke yo ke Motswana o na le bokgoni, o itshupile kae re ka mo neela, kana e bile re tlaabo re thusiwa ke one molao wa Economic Inclusion Bill.

Re bona gore re tlile go diragatsa gore go nne jalo gore se re reng re se beela Batswana, se ba diragalele.

Ka boammaaruri tse re setseng re di dirile tsa bo matamo le camp sites go diragetse jalo, ke dilo tse di tseneng mo diatleng tsa Batswana.
Re maikaelelo ao e bile re bofile, re tswaletse Batswana ka tsela e e ntseng jalo.

Honourable Shamukuni, ke eletsa go gakolola gore to profile the local enterprises le informal sectors tse di leng teng gore e re fa re ya go buisana gore re tsamaisa jang, re bo re itse gore mme gone go na le bomang.

Kana e tlaa re kamoso re bo re re batho ba teng gongwe ba seyo, kana re re batho ba teng mme e le motho a tswa kwa ntle e le mokopi fela wa bonno.
Honourable Leuwe, ke go utlwile ka tsa Letlhakeng, human-wildlife gore re tlise dithuto.

Ke dumalana le wena rra mme re tlaa tokafatsa mo go tliseng dithuto.

Dikgang tsa dikoloi ke setse ke supile gore re rekile dikoloi rra di le mmetela, ke tlaa tlhola gore a ka kwa go lona go na le sengwe se se diragetseng.

Go tsena mo CKGR kwa Gantsi go nna motlhofo kana kgaolo e nngwe, ke tlaa e lebelela.
Maikaelelo a rona ga se gore ba bangwe go bo go ka nna bokete mo go bone, kgaolo e nngwe go nna motlhofo mo go yone.

Special elephant quota e tlaa re thusa go lwantsha botlhoko jo jwa ditlou, le yone ya problem animal control.

Ra re a batho ba se ka ba bolaya fela ba sa bone sepe mo dipolaong tsa diphologolo tse di tshwenyang Mr Chairperson.

mo maikutlong a batho.


Kgang e re a e itse mme se ke se begetsweng se e bileng se supafala mo dipampiring tsa gompieno, ke gore setopo se kganetswe kwa kgorong ya park e le ka ntlha ya gore Attorney General’s (AG) Chambers, e laola gore go se ka ga dirwa ka tsela e e ntseng jalo, ka ntlha ya thulaganyo e go neng go lebilwe yone ka fa semolaong.

Ga ke batle re tlogela gore kgang e tsamaelana e bile e sekametse thata ka kwa molaong gore AG’s Chambers is a key role player in this one.
Re tlaa tshwaragana le bone, re bone gore tota go ka dirwa ka tsela e e ntseng jang.

Ke kopa gore re seketletse maikutlo a ba ba amegang, re se ka ra oketsa dintho.

Go tshwana le yone ya compensation gore fa go ne go santse go duelwa P20, 000 motho a bolailwe ke phologolo, fa re okeditse ka P50, 000 go nna dingalo.

Le yone eo e ntse e sekame mo molaong ka gore go na le phetogo ya molao ya gore dithoto tsa moswi di tsamaisiwe ke Master of the High Court.
Gatwe dithoto fa di kwadisitswe koo, go nna le tsamaiso e di ka bonwang ka yone.

Jaanong le yone ya dituelo e teng ka koo, e baleletswe mo dithotong tseo.

Se re ka se dirang re le baeteledipele ke gore go ka dirwa jang gore go nne bofefo, go se ka ga nna dingalo.

Kgang ya gore EIA jaanong batho ba palelwa ke go dira tourism ka goreng, ke foo re batla EIA building controls, khansele e a reng.
Ke dumela gore re a dumalana re le baeteledipele gore dilo tse ke ditsamaiso tse di tlhomilweng tse di leng teng, tse dingwe e le tsa melao.

Mo EIA fa re dira Environmental Assessment Act re e baakanya, re ne re raya gore go nne motlhofo, re tsamaisana le one maikaelelo a Puso a ease of doing business.

Mo go yone e re tlhofofaditse process, re bo re dira gore e se ka ya turela batho thata.

E bile re kgona to waive EIA fa re bonang gore e ka se ke e dire gore go dirwe Environmental Management Plan fela.
Golo mo go ntse go thusa Batswana mme ke supe gore kana ga re ka ke ra re gotlhelele re sutlhe EIA gore e se ka ya dirwa ka gore ke dilo tse di botlhokwa tse di re thusang.

E se ka ya re kamoso go bo gotwe dikago di wetse batho ka ntlha ya gore go ne go sa dirwa EIAs motlotlegi.

A re thusane gore ditirelo tse di ka tokafadiwa botoka jang, go na le gore jaanong re bo re di leba ka tsela e di batlang go baya Batswana ka fa mosing.
Rre Reatile, kgang ya gago e o wetseng ka yone ya gore sa ntlha motho a tlhokafetse a bo a idiwa go ya go fitlhelwa kwa bo CKGR, ke ne ke eletsa gore motlotlegi dikgang tse di ntseng jaana di na le maikutlo mo teng, di ka utlwisa botlhoko.

Re le baeteledipele re nne re di tsaya sentle ka mokgwa o re sa tleng go oketsa dintho Honourable Kablay, re lebogela gore le amogetse project ya rona ya kwa Letlhakeng ya Motlhware, tshipidi tonto re tlaa e dira.
Re ntse re mmogo re tshwaragane e bile re tshwaragane le ofisi ya ga Molaodi le khansele gore go se ka ga tlhoka go tsamaya sentle mo thulaganyong ya rona ya nature reserve.

39 Hansard No 205Wednesday 16th March, 2022ORGANISATION 2000 - MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT, NATURAL RESOURCES CONSERVATION AND TOURISMCommittee of Supply Kwa Sojwe le Shadishadi; matšha, re tlaa tla, re tla go nna re dira.

Let us mobilise groups tse di leng teng tse di ka diragatsang gore matšha ao a dirwe.
Ke bitse ka gore re na le Pitso e e tlang.

Pitso e fa e tla, e tlaabo e phutholola gore jaanong mo mosepeleng wa rona wa go diragatsa policy kwa matšheng, go ya go diragala ka tsela e e ntseng jang.

Diphuduhudu Cultural Village; gore e sale jaaka e nna foo, mme ka le latlheletswe Motlhware tlhe mongwame, re tlaa nna re ntse re e bona re tsweletse.

A re nneng re ntse re di tsaya ka bonya ka bonya jalo.

Honourable Letsholo; dikakgelo tsa gago di a utlwala.
Tota e bile ke dumalana le wena gore kwa Kanye North, rra go gontsi.

Mmakgodumo kana re dira le Trust ya Bathoen.

Lenaneo le lotlhe la go tsamaisa bojanala kwa Mmakgodumo, re tshwaragane le bone.

Kana sites tse dingwe tse di setseng, re ntse re bona gore di ka diragadiwa di teng mo heritage trail.

A re kopane go tshwaragana gore re ka di diragatsa ka tsela e e ntseng jang.
Batlotlegi, ke kopa gore dikgang tsa gore go ka dirwa eng kwa kgaolong ya gore, a e nne gore re di tshwaraganele bogolo jang mananeo a teng a kgone go tsena le kwa khanseleng.

Go nna motlhofo fa plans tseo di dirwa mmogo le khansele, di tle di kgone gore di lebelelwe sentle.
Kgang ya airlines, hotels ke sone se re lekang go se dira gore le jaaka re ntse re tsamaya kwa bo Dubai jaana, re ya go bua le babeeletsi gore ba tle kwano, ba tle go re thusa, the International Tourism Forum e e tlaa dirwang mo Botswana e tlaa re thusa.

The Arab Emirates ba batla go tla go re thusa le ka dikgang tsa infrastructure.

Kana go raya gore jaanong re tshwaragane le bo Honourable Segokgo jaaka re tlhola re bua, go bona gore tota air access e a tokafala ya go tlisa bajanala ka kwano.
Pitso ke eo bagaetsho, re tlaa buisana thata ka yone ya gore we recover jang tourism sector from manokonoko a a kana.

Ke yone diversification.

Kana Tourism Policy e dirilwe ka nako ya COVID, re lebela kwa pele, re bona gore tota re tsile go baakanya jang gore re tsose mohama o ka ditirelo tse di farologaneng, diversifying into tourism across the country go leka go bulela value chain le lefatshe la tourism, re bo re ntse re thusa le ka ditsompelo tse di leng teng go thusa Batswana mo gae.
Ke wele ka ya ga Rre Billy le Rre Matsheka; policy e teng Honourable Billy.

Ke yone e e supang gore re tlaa… HONOURABLE MEMBER: Gate ya Tsetseng yone.

MS KERENG: Gate ya Tsetseng re tlaa e bula, mme ga e yo mo budget.

Ke ne ke e lebetse Honourable Leuwe.

Noted, re tlaa e kopela madi kwa re tlaa bonang teng.

Policy e, e tlaa re thusa go leka go lotlolola bojanala kwa ditoropong tsa rona.

Francistown ke nnete o humile jalo.


Re batla gore o lebelele thata ya museum, kana museum ole wa Supangwao, ke one o o ka tlang wa kgobokanya dilo tse tsotlhe gore re tle re kgone go thusana ka tsone.

Dikgang tsa phane, delele, tsa natural resources, ke nngwe ya projects tse re reng ke flagship.

Re ya go di direla strategy, plans and resourcing them ka tsela e e tshwanetseng, go leka go tokafatsa the economic benefit ya these natural resources.
Ke lebogela gore batho ba bo Ntimbale, ba North East District… HONOURABLE MEMBER: O ganne ka clarification.

Go siame mma.

MS KERENG: Honourable Matsheka ka bokhutshwane, your inputs are well noted, very much appreciated gore integration ya rona le Ministry wa International Affairs e botlhokwa mo go rekiseng (market) tourism.

Kwa Lobatse le gone go nonne.


Re tlaa tla go buisana gore re ka thusanya jang go phophomisa bojanala kwa Lobatse, re lebeletse the heritage trail e e leng teng koo le dipitso tse di tlang gone ka koo.

Decentralisation; re lebeletse gore the Local Economic Drive e tlaa tla e nne gore e ka re thusa go tsamaisa value chains mo waste management, tourists, conservation le heritage trail ka tsela e e ntseng jalo.

Mr Chairperson, ke tsaya gore ke arabile batlotlegi.
Ke wele fela ka gore Tourism Pitso e etla bagaetsho.

Ke kopa gore re tle ka mmetela.

Ba o fitlheleng le sa bonale le bo le tla fa le re ke ne ke sa tla, le nne teng, re tle go buisana gore re ka phutholola jang our policy.

Ke wela jalo Mr Chairperson.


I therefore move that the sum of Eight Hundred and Thirty-Two Million, One Hundred and Sixty Thousand, Seven Hundred and Twenty Pula (P832,160,720.00) under the Recurrent Budget and the sum of Three Hundred and Eighty-Two Million, Four Hundred and Fifty-Nine Thousand, Two Hundred and Thirty-Five Pula (P382,459,235.00) under the Development Fund Estimates for Head 2000 be approved and stand part of those estimates.

I move accordingly Mr Chairperson.


40 Hansard No 205Wednesday 16th March, 2022ORGANISATION 2000 - MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT, NATURAL RESOURCES CONSERVATION AND TOURISMCommittee of Supply Question put and agreed to.

ORGANISATION 2100 - INDUSTRIAL COURT MR CHAIRPERSON: Please note that two hours has been allocated to this Organisation and I shall call upon the Honourable Minister to reply to the debate at 1225 hours tomorrow and the question will be put 1255 hours.
Honourable Minister of Employment, Labour Productivity and Skills Development, please present your budget.

Ikwadise fela ngwana wa bomma.

MINISTER OF EMPLOYMENT, LABOUR PRODUCTIVITY AND SKILLS DEVELOPMENT (MR SHAMUKUNI): Thank you Mr Chairperson.

Mr Chairperson, it is my honour to stand before this House to present the Industrial Court’s Recurrent and Development Budget proposal for the financial year 2022/2023.
In addition to that, I will update this Honourable Committee on the progress on policies, programmes, projects and critical initiatives for 2021/2022 financial year and those planned for the year 2022/2023 financial year.

Mr Chairperson, the court’s mandate is to resolve labour disputes through litigation before the courts and/or through court annexed mediation before the Office of the Registrar.
For a country that seeks to attract Foreign Direct Investment (FDI) it is imperative that it has a stable and harmonious employment relations between public and private businesses on the one hand and employees on the other.

Once this balance is attained it will in turn attract investors into the country and thus contribute towards Botswana’s development efforts.
Having said that Mr Chairperson, allow me to provide an update on the core business activities that the Industrial Court carried out during the 2021/2022 financial year.

Mr Chairperson, between April 2021 and February 2022 a total of a 1091 cases were registered compared to 1122 registered in the last financial year.

The court expected a deluge of cases from the District Labour Offices around Botswana at the end of the State of Public Emergency.
However, a spike in case registration was only visible during the month of November 2021.

The court has been receiving on average 93 cases during the preceding months and the numbers increased to 159 cases during November 2021.

This increase took place in all the districts.

During this reporting period, the Commissioner of Labour referred 122 cases on average per month, between 18 per cent of cases registered at District Labour Offices around the country.
However, not all of these cases were registered at the Industrial Court.

Mr Chairperson, due to the pandemic and in order to ensure that the wheels of justice keep turning, the Court utilized the use of digital platforms to have Court hearings and even filing of process.

It is worth noting that the use of virtual hearings reduced on costs particularly in those areas where the registration of cases had gone down.
As previously reported, more cases continued to be registered at the Gaborone Division of the Court followed by Francistown, Palapye, Maun and Selebi Phikwe.

For the reporting period, 1306 cases were completed, compared to 1036 completed at the same time in the last financial year.

The utilisation of virtual platforms takes the credit for this, thereby largely attributed to averting the accumulation of backlog.
Mr Chairperson, the Industrial Court continues to put measures in place to curb the backlog of cases.

At present, 964 cases... MR SPEAKER (MR MOATLHODI): Order!

Sorry Honourable Minister, e tlaare kamoso o tlaa tswelela gone foo, e tšhaile Motlotlegi Rraetsho Tona.

Ka gore ke 6 o’clock, I shall now call upon the Honourable Leader of this House to move a Motion of adjournment.

Honourable Vice President.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Kante nna ke sutisa leng?

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Point of order Mr Speaker.


HONOURABLE MEMBER: Wynter, wena o sutisa eng?

MR SPEAKER: Let us have order.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Malatsi ga a kgakala Wynter, o tlaa tloga o sutisa.

MR SPEAKER: Order!

Bagaetsho tlhe reetsang nako e tšhaile.

Honourable Minister, what is your point of order?

MINISTER OF BASIC EDUCATION (MR MOLAO): Point of order.

Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

Ke ne ke re Motlotlegi Mothusa Tautona has stepped out to go to the airport, jaanong o ne a kopile gore ke mo tswalele.
MR MMOLOTSI: Nnyaa, ga ke ka ke ka letlelela bo Fidelis ba tswalela... 41 Hansard No 205Wednesday 16th March, 2022ORGANISATION 2100 - INDUSTRIAL COURTCommittee of Supply HONOURABLE MEMBER: Wynter o sa le a sutisitse, rona re sa le re tsamaile.

HONOURABLE MEMBERS: ...(Murmurs)... MR SPEAKER: Order!

Question put and agreed to.


The Assembly accordingly adjourned at 6:04 p.m. until Thursday 17th March, 2022 at 11:00 a.m. MR SPEAKER: You should have notified us on time... MR KEORAPETSE: Mr Speaker, a ko o eleletse ngwana all the best, Pale is competing kgantele, wish her all the best.

MR SPEAKER: Ngwana wa ga mang?

MR KEORAPETSE: Mmabontle wa rona Mr Speaker.

MR SPEAKER: Let us have order.

That is a very, very... MR MMOLOTSI: ...(Inaudible)... MR SPEAKER: Order!
Honourable Mmolotsi, hee, batho ba modimo!

MR MMOLOTSI: Go sutisa nna letsatsi leno.

MR SPEAKER: Bagaetsho, let us have order... HONOURABLE MEMBERS: ...(Murmurs)... HONOURABLE MEMBER: Sutisa Wynter.

MR SPEAKER: Let us have order!

Hei, bagaetsho, Rre Keorapetse is coming up with a very important point, mmabontlenyane wa rona, sethunya sa rona, Mma Mpale, Palesa Molefe, our most beautiful woman in Botswana, o tlaabo a tseneletse dikgaisano kgantele, a na le balekane ba gagwe kwa Puerto Rico.
A e re gompieno re ye go rapelela ngwana wa rona, re mo eleletse bontle jotlhe, kamoso a re tlele gauta, a re tlele serwalo, gore e bo e le ene mmalebopo wa rona.

Motlotlegi Rraetsho Tona wa Thuto go tswa kwa Moding, tswalela... MR MMOLOTSI: Nnyaa, go sutisa nna letsatsi leno.

HONOURABLE MEMBERS: ...(Laughter!)...

MR SPEAKER: Re tswalele tiro rraetsho.

MR MMOLOTSI: No, go sutisa nna.


MOTION ADJOURNMENT MINISTER OF BASIC EDUCATION (MR MOLAO): Ke a leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente morago ga go eleletsa mmabontle wa rona masego le matlhogonolo gore a re tlele phenyo mo letsatsing la kamoso.

Mr Speaker, now I beg to move that this House do now adjourn, amiss this ruckus behavior from Rre Mmolotsi.
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